Appaling!
QuoteOhio State coach Jim Tressel was informed that several Buckeyes players were selling memorabilia more than eight months before the school claims it was made aware of the scheme, a two-month Yahoo! Sports investigation has found.
Tressel received information that players were selling items to Edward Rife – the owner of Fine Line Ink Tattoos in Columbus – as early as April 2010, according to a source. However, neither Ohio State nor the NCAA investigated the transactions or the players' relationship with Rife until December 2010, when the school claims it was informed of the situation by the local United States Attorney's office.
Ohio State director of compliance Doug Archie declined immediate comment when reached Monday by Yahoo! Sports. Tressel and athletic director Gene Smith were unavailable for comment. The NCAA declined comment.
Tressel in Trouble? (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AsLXJF26ho1_NIRtpVDX9x05nYcB?slug=ys-osuprobe030711)
We already knew this.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 08, 2011, 11:56:48 AM
We already knew this.
No, they didn't MiM. The point of article is saying Tressel knew 8 months before it came out.
Just like an OSU fan to suck at reading Comp.
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2011, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 08, 2011, 11:56:48 AM
We already knew this.
No, they didn't MiM. The point of article is saying Tressel knew 8 months before it came out.
Just like an OSU fan to suck at reading Comp.
The original stories said the school knew pretty far ahead of time. I assumed that meant Tressel knew even if they didn't explicitly say so.
That makes the school look even worse then. :lol:
Fucking Terrelle Pryor. Might have been the schools's biggest recruiting mistake next to Maurice.
Braxton Miller to start in '11! RELOAD!
QuoteReport: Tressel faces penalties, won't be fired
March 8, 2011 4:29 PM | No Comments | UPDATED STORY
The Columbus Dispatch reports: Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel has not resigned and has not been fired, sources in the school's athletic department confirmed. They said Tressel will keep his job but faces possible sanctions and/or fines for commiting an NCAA rules violation.
Tressel will appear at a 6 p.m. (Chicago time) news conference Tuesday along with school president E. Gordon Gee and athletic director Gene Smith.
Yahoo! Sports reported Monday that Tressel knew of allegations of improper benefits to Terrelle Pryor and five other players as early as April 2010 -- at least seven months before the university found out from a U.S. Attorney.
/puts on sweater vest
QuoteCOLUMBUS, Ohio – Ohio State president Gordon Gee has suspended coach Jim Tressel for the first two games of the 2011 season and also fined the Buckeyes coach $250,000 for failing to immediately disclose knowledge about his players' involvement in a memorabilia scheme with a Columbus businessman.
Yahoo! Sports reported Monday that Tressel had received information that players were selling items to Edward Rife – the owner of Fine Line Ink Tattoos in Columbus – as early as April 2010. When announcing Tressel's punishment Tuesday, Ohio State officials said Tressel failed to bring that information to their attention.
This might re-ignite the old rumor that Urban Meyer might replace Sweater Vest sometime in the next few years.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2011, 07:37:05 PM
This might re-ignite the old rumor that Urban Meyer might replace Sweater Vest sometime in the next few years.
Oh god no.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 08, 2011, 08:03:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2011, 07:37:05 PM
This might re-ignite the old rumor that Urban Meyer might replace Sweater Vest sometime in the next few years.
Oh god no.
I might be able to tolerate that. As long as they keep winning.
Damn Scott Walker has Seedy so distracted, he can't even drop in here and give us a Ohio State sweatervest insult. :weep:
I wish Wyoming had a team that won and got into trouble :(
I just hope Auburn can buy another good season. :)
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 08, 2011, 08:03:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2011, 07:37:05 PM
This might re-ignite the old rumor that Urban Meyer might replace Sweater Vest sometime in the next few years.
Oh god no.
Ditto. It would ruin his winning percentage.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 08, 2011, 10:39:39 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 08, 2011, 08:03:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2011, 07:37:05 PM
This might re-ignite the old rumor that Urban Meyer might replace Sweater Vest sometime in the next few years.
Oh god no.
Ditto. It would ruin his winning percentage.
It would be like RichRod at Michigan. Complete ruination. Let's bring novice football to the big leagues. We are Marshall!!!!!
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 08, 2011, 12:03:45 PM
The original stories said the school knew pretty far ahead of time..
And we have always been at war with Eastasia.
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2011, 07:33:32 PM
QuoteCOLUMBUS, Ohio – Ohio State president Gordon Gee has suspended coach Jim Tressel for the first two games of the 2011 season and also fined the Buckeyes coach $250,000 for failing to immediately disclose knowledge about his players' involvement in a memorabilia scheme with a Columbus businessman.
Yahoo! Sports reported Monday that Tressel had received information that players were selling items to Edward Rife – the owner of Fine Line Ink Tattoos in Columbus – as early as April 2010. When announcing Tressel's punishment Tuesday, Ohio State officials said Tressel failed to bring that information to their attention.
I am thinking that Tressel probably didn't know that the NCAA prohibited players from selling their own property. I myself certainly knew that the NCAA's rules were stupid and fundamentalist, but I had no idea that they were communistic, and so can imagine Tressel not knowing that either.
Quote from: grumbler on March 09, 2011, 12:48:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2011, 07:33:32 PM
QuoteCOLUMBUS, Ohio – Ohio State president Gordon Gee has suspended coach Jim Tressel for the first two games of the 2011 season and also fined the Buckeyes coach $250,000 for failing to immediately disclose knowledge about his players' involvement in a memorabilia scheme with a Columbus businessman.
Yahoo! Sports reported Monday that Tressel had received information that players were selling items to Edward Rife – the owner of Fine Line Ink Tattoos in Columbus – as early as April 2010. When announcing Tressel's punishment Tuesday, Ohio State officials said Tressel failed to bring that information to their attention.
I am thinking that Tressel probably didn't know that the NCAA prohibited players from selling their own property. I myself certainly knew that the NCAA's rules were stupid and fundamentalist, but I had no idea that they were communistic, and so can imagine Tressel not knowing that either.
Possible, but extremely unlikely. AJ Green a receiver from Georgia, one of the top players in the country and a likely top 5 NFL pick next month was suspended for the first 4 games of the 2010 season for selling his 2009 Independence Bowl jersey. It made enough news that I knew about it even though I don't follow Georgia or the SEC much.
Quote from: sbr on March 09, 2011, 07:14:06 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 09, 2011, 12:48:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2011, 07:33:32 PM
QuoteCOLUMBUS, Ohio – Ohio State president Gordon Gee has suspended coach Jim Tressel for the first two games of the 2011 season and also fined the Buckeyes coach $250,000 for failing to immediately disclose knowledge about his players’ involvement in a memorabilia scheme with a Columbus businessman.
Yahoo! Sports reported Monday that Tressel had received information that players were selling items to Edward Rife – the owner of Fine Line Ink Tattoos in Columbus – as early as April 2010. When announcing Tressel’s punishment Tuesday, Ohio State officials said Tressel failed to bring that information to their attention.
I am thinking that Tressel probably didn't know that the NCAA prohibited players from selling their own property. I myself certainly knew that the NCAA's rules were stupid and fundamentalist, but I had no idea that they were communistic, and so can imagine Tressel not knowing that either.
Possible, but extremely unlikely. AJ Green a receiver from Georgia, one of the top players in the country and a likely top 5 NFL pick next month was suspended for the first 4 games of the 2010 season for selling his 2009 Independence Bowl jersey. It made enough news that I knew about it even though I don't follow Georgia or the SEC much.
Even in the unlikely event that it's true that he didn't know it was a violation, that's no excuse for him apparantly telling the NCAA in Nov/Dec that he didn't hear about the incident the investigation, when we now know that he was informed in April. Also, the reports earlier this week just said that he got an e-mail, without saying who it war from. I can understand if he didn't put any credence in an e-mail from just a random source, but now the reports are saying that it was from a former Buckeye player, which IMO should have given it at least some credibility in his eyes.
I kind of doubt that "Gee, I didn't know that was against the rules..." is going to fly with the NCAA anyway.
While we may find the NCAA rules almost incomprehensibly silly, we are not NCAA coaches, and hence it is not our jobs to know such things. The idea that Tressel just didn't know the rules? Yeah, that is even more laughable than the ridiculous rules themselves.
Quote from: Berkut on March 10, 2011, 08:50:06 AM
I kind of doubt that "Gee, I didn't know that was against the rules..." is going to fly with the NCAA anyway.
While we may find the NCAA rules almost incomprehensibly silly, we are not NCAA coaches, and hence it is not our jobs to know such things. The idea that Tressel just didn't know the rules? Yeah, that is even more laughable than the ridiculous rules themselves.
My post may not have been intended to be completely taken at face value. :cool:
Quote from: sbr on March 09, 2011, 07:14:06 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 09, 2011, 12:48:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2011, 07:33:32 PM
QuoteCOLUMBUS, Ohio – Ohio State president Gordon Gee has suspended coach Jim Tressel for the first two games of the 2011 season and also fined the Buckeyes coach $250,000 for failing to immediately disclose knowledge about his players' involvement in a memorabilia scheme with a Columbus businessman.
Yahoo! Sports reported Monday that Tressel had received information that players were selling items to Edward Rife – the owner of Fine Line Ink Tattoos in Columbus – as early as April 2010. When announcing Tressel's punishment Tuesday, Ohio State officials said Tressel failed to bring that information to their attention.
I am thinking that Tressel probably didn't know that the NCAA prohibited players from selling their own property. I myself certainly knew that the NCAA's rules were stupid and fundamentalist, but I had no idea that they were communistic, and so can imagine Tressel not knowing that either.
Possible, but extremely unlikely. AJ Green a receiver from Georgia, one of the top players in the country and a likely top 5 NFL pick next month was suspended for the first 4 games of the 2010 season for selling his 2009 Independence Bowl jersey. It made enough news that I knew about it even though I don't follow Georgia or the SEC much.
EVen I knew it was against the rules for player to sell gear or merchandise. I remember some story (probably that one) about a player getting into trouble for doing it, and remembered it because it seemed so silly.
Haha Auburn just won the Fulmer Cup and it's only March. The most points for a single team ever. Very nice.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.sbnation.com%2Fassets%2F563183%2Ffulmercup-57_medium.jpg&hash=caed45698dcb87101c03d9989203fbc3e509ab6d)
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/
QuoteAUBURN JUST ENDED THE 2011 FULMER CUP. Four Auburn football players have been charged with five counts each of first degree robbery, one count each of first degree burglary, and one count each of theft of property in a home invasion that took place early Friday morning in Auburn. The bond for each of them is $511,000. Antonio Goodwin, Kowalski Q. Kitchens, Michael McNeil, and Harrison Mosley are all in legal straits that are, per Glennon Threatt on Finebaum just a few minutes ago, the worst in the legal system shy of actually killing someone.
The minimum sentences in theory for these is somewhere between twenty years and life. Put in the bluntest and most accurate terms possible, the four men involved are in horrendous fucking trouble if this all stands. They've been kicked off the team, but that's the least of their concerns right now.
The numbers for the single biggest combined team score in the history of the Fulmer Cup follow. (Rules here.)
Each robbery count is a felony, and is three points per charge. Reading the police report, each player received five counts of first degree robbery, bringing three points times five charges each for four players to sixty points. Add in the felony burglary charges (one each) for four people at three points, and we're up to 72 points. Four misdemeanor theft of property charges pile on to 76 points total, and that's before we add a single, measly bonus point on top just for the dark humor of throwing only a single bonus point onto a massive heap of Fulmer Cup points. Just look at that widdle bonus point. Eees soooo kewte.
Auburn previously had three points, so the sum total for Auburn in the 2011 Fulmer Cup comes out as 80 points. This marks the second time this week UVA has blown a seemingly insurmountable lead, and sets a record for the Fulmer Cup in terms of team scoring for a single year, much less a single incident. This is the Krakatoa of Fulmer Cup scores; we hope to never see its equal, because we think that involves an entire football team being charged with murder.*
**Something that Auburn could have been charged with following the 2010 SEC Championship Game.***
***No they couldn't have. There wasn't enough left of South Carolina to identify.
They're gonna have to rename the Cup now.
It should be retired now, just like the Scheider Cup.
Ed Anger drives Kirk Herbsteit out of Ohio:
QuoteKirk Herbstreit and his family moved out of central Ohio yesterday, a change that the ESPN college football analyst said he had pondered for three years. Herbstreit said the move to Nashville, Tenn., was because of the constant criticism he has received from a vocal minority of Ohio State fans who don't understand that his job at the network demands objectivity and fairness.
"Nobody loves Ohio State more than me," said Herbstreit, a former Buckeyes quarterback. "I still have a picture of Woody Hayes and my dad (Jim, a former OSU player) in my office, and nobody will do more than I do for the university behind the scenes. But I've got a job to do, and I'm going to continue to be fair and objective. To continue to have to defend myself and my family in regards to my love and devotion to Ohio State is unfair."
Herbstreit said he and his wife, Allison, visited several cities before deciding on Nashville. He will continue to do his Monday radio show on WBNS-FM (97.1) in the fall.
"From a sports perspective, this is rough," he said. "I love Ohio State. Love the Blue Jackets. Love the Reds. Those are my hobbies. I don't like moving. I love living here. I don't want to leave. But I just can't do this anymore. I really can't keep going like this.
"Eighty to ninety percent of the Ohio State fans are great. It's the vocal minority that make it rough. They probably represent only 5 to 10 percent of the fan base, but they are relentless."
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b8vxF
Quote from: Valmy on March 14, 2011, 01:25:52 PM
Ed Anger drives Kirk Herbsteit out of Ohio:
QuoteKirk Herbstreit and his family moved out of central Ohio yesterday, a change that the ESPN college football analyst said he had pondered for three years. Herbstreit said the move to Nashville, Tenn., was because of the constant criticism he has received from a vocal minority of Ohio State fans who don't understand that his job at the network demands objectivity and fairness.
"Nobody loves Ohio State more than me," said Herbstreit, a former Buckeyes quarterback. "I still have a picture of Woody Hayes and my dad (Jim, a former OSU player) in my office, and nobody will do more than I do for the university behind the scenes. But I've got a job to do, and I'm going to continue to be fair and objective. To continue to have to defend myself and my family in regards to my love and devotion to Ohio State is unfair."
Herbstreit said he and his wife, Allison, visited several cities before deciding on Nashville. He will continue to do his Monday radio show on WBNS-FM (97.1) in the fall.
"From a sports perspective, this is rough," he said. "I love Ohio State. Love the Blue Jackets. Love the Reds. Those are my hobbies. I don't like moving. I love living here. I don't want to leave. But I just can't do this anymore. I really can't keep going like this.
"Eighty to ninety percent of the Ohio State fans are great. It's the vocal minority that make it rough. They probably represent only 5 to 10 percent of the fan base, but they are relentless."
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b8vxF
Dud, don't lump me in with the mass of Buckeye untermenschen. Herbie will always be a Miami Valley boy to me. :)
And why in the hell are you reading Bleacher Report? That retard breeding pool is about as readable as this place.
So I guess Mark May will never have to move anywhere.
Wonder if this counts for the Fulmer cup as well?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6272478
QuoteReport: Four ex-Auburn players got cash
ESPN.com news services
Four former Auburn football players claimed they received thousands of dollars of cash from boosters from a number of schools on an HBO special that airs Wednesday night, according to the website Sports by Brooks.
The players, Chaz Ramsey, Troy Reddick, Stanley McClover and Raven Gray, alleged they received money as part of a pay-for-play scheme during their time at Auburn. None played there more recently than 2007.
"Somebody came to me, I don't even know this person and he was like, 'we would love for you to come to LSU and he gave me a handshake and it had five hundred dollars in there," McClover said in the HBO special, an advance copy of which was obtained by Sports by Brooks. "That's called a money handshake ... I grabbed it and I'm like, 'wow,' hell I thought ten dollars was a lot of money back then."
McClover told "Real Sports" that boosters from Auburn, Michigan State and Ohio State also arranged for him to get money and other inducements such as sexual services when he was being recruited in 2003. He originally committed to Ohio State but switched his commitment to Auburn after receiving cash that he said persuaded him to change his commitment. On that occasion, he said the cash was delivered in a bookbag. The amount was not disclosed.
"I literally passed out I couldn't believe it was true," the HBO transcript quoted McClover as saying. "I felt like I owed them."
"Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" reports the NCAA declined interview requests and Auburn officials declined to comment, according to Sports by Brooks.
Also in the interview with HBO, Ramsey said Auburn boosters would approach him after games, and that they would give as much as $300 to $400 a game. He said that before he arrived at Auburn, a booster gave him spending money during his junior college career.
The former Auburn offensive guard said he accepted more than $5,000 in cash from boosters, but that he has since taken a stand against the practice. "I'm not out to get anybody, I want high school athletes to know what they're getting into," he told HBO.
Quote from: Valmy on March 14, 2011, 01:25:52 PM
"Nobody loves Ohio State more than me," said Herbstreit, a former Buckeyes quarterback.
For some reason I thought he went to Stanford. :hmm:
Man, I don't even know what to think about Arizona football next year. Should be interesting in the new Pac-12, I guess. Lord knows our division looks pretty weak.
But I think I've pretty much come to the conclusion that in the long run, you are never really going to be much better than your recruiting. While the rankings can be argued in the particulars, overall the "services" are generally pretty correct in their ranking of recruiting classes.
And that being the case, there is only so much Arizona can ever really hope for, given that Stoops has not managed to recruit at a higher level.
The NCAA should just scrap all the "don't give anything to players" rules. Get everything on the books and above-board.
Quote from: Berkut on March 30, 2011, 09:28:35 AM
Man, I don't even know what to think about Arizona football next year. Should be interesting in the new Pac-12, I guess. Lord knows our division looks pretty weak.
But I think I've pretty much come to the conclusion that in the long run, you are never really going to be much better than your recruiting. While the rankings can be argued in the particulars, overall the "services" are generally pretty correct in their ranking of recruiting classes.
And that being the case, there is only so much Arizona can ever really hope for, given that Stoops has not managed to recruit at a higher level.
Why go to Arizona when there is a better school in Arizona State to go to?
*runs away*
Cam Newton gets ripped by Draft analyst.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=86041&tsp=1
Future Terrell Owens. Hopefully, he's already hired a PR firm.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 30, 2011, 05:56:20 PM
Cam Newton gets ripped by Draft analyst.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=86041&tsp=1
Quote
The Cam camp shot back. "Even the Pope has detractors!"
Yeah, Benedict's arm strength is terrible for an NFL QB, he needs to improve his footwork, and he never finds the secondary reciever. OTOH, unlike Newton, he can force-choke the defensive backs.
The saga of Duron Carter has ended. He is going to 'bama. if he thought Tressel's doghouse was bad, wait until he gets in Saban's. :lol:
Watching the Ohio State Spring game. The upcoming season is going to SUCK. the receivers have dropitis.
Ed Anger Sweater Vest level: Concerned.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 14, 2011, 03:52:31 PM
Dud, don't lump me in with the mass of Buckeye untermenschen.
Sorry, but Ohio State has some seriously retardo fans, and deserve every possible obnoxious moniker available. In addition, I blame you.
The Columbus Dispatch needs to shut its whore mouth up.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AtMoa3Qd0x98N5ozbJWQX6ccvrYF?slug=ap-ohiost-tressel
QuoteNCAA alleges Tressel lied to hide NCAA violations
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP)—In a sharply worded rebuke of Ohio State's Jim Tressel, the NCAA on Monday accused the 10-year coach of withholding information and lying to keep Buckeyes players on the field who had accepted improper benefits from the owner of a tattoo parlor.
In a "notice of allegations" sent to the school, the NCAA said Monday that the violations relating to the coach are considered "potential major violations."
Ohio State was not cited for the most serious of institutional breaches since Tressel hid information from his superiors for more than nine months. The university has 90 days to respond to the ruling body of college sports' request for information before a scheduled date before the NCAA's committee on infractions on Aug. 12 in Indianapolis.
In a 13-page indictment of Tressel's behavior, the NCAA alleged that Tressel had "permitted football student-athletes to participate in intercollegiate athletics while ineligible." It also said he "failed to deport himself ... (with) honesty and integrity" and said he was lying when he filled out a compliance form in September which said he had no knowledge of any NCAA violations by any of his players.
Tressel appeared at an awards banquet outside Cleveland on Monday night, ducking out of the rain to shake hands with Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren before slipping into a side room. Tressel ignored reporters' questions about the NCAA allegations on his way to the hall before accepting a coaching award named for his late father, Lee Tressel.
Athletic director Gene Smith said he would have "no comments until the case is resolved." The university issued a statement that the allegations were consistent with what it had already self-reported to the NCAA on March 8.
Tressel's troubles began with an April 2, 2010, email from Columbus lawyer Christopher Cicero. Cicero, a former Ohio State walk-on player, informed Tressel that a federal agency had raided the house of tattoo-shop owner Eddie Rife and discovered a multitude of autographed Ohio State jerseys, cleats, pants and helmets, Big Ten championship rings and the "gold pants" trinkets given to Buckeyes players for beating archrival Michigan.
Tressel responded, "I will get on it ASAP."
Yet he did not notify Smith or Ohio State President E. Gordon Gee, anyone else in the athletic department, the NCAA compliance department, or anyone in the university's legal department. Instead, he forwarded the email to Jeannette, Pa., businessman Ted Sarniak, a friend and mentor to star quarterback Terrelle Pryor, who was subsequently discovered to be one of the players involved with Rife.
The Columbus Dispatch reported Monday that Tressel went on to exchange at least 12 emails with Cicero, and also had numerous lengthy telephone conversations with Sarniak over the weeks and months ahead. Tressel still did not tell any of his superiors, anyone at the NCAA or his own compliance or legal departments.
In September 2010, Tressel even signed a mandatory and rather routine Ohio State compliance form which clearly and simply asks if he the coach has knowledge of any NCAA violations. By signing and dating it, he said that he did not.
The U.S. Attorney contacted Ohio State in December to notify the university that it had come across the memorabilia. That prompted a cursory investigation— Smith conceded to The Associated Press last week that the effort was rushed— that did not turn up the telltale emails between Cicero and Tressel but did uncover the players' involvement with Rife. After consulting with the NCAA and the Big Ten, Pryor and four other top players were handed five-game suspensions — curiously not including the next game, the Sugar Bowl, but beginning with the first five games of the 2011 season.
Tressel was asked at a news conference if the players knew they were doing something wrong.
"I suppose that would be something rattling around inside the head of each of them individually," he said. "We all have a little sensor within us, 'Well, I'm not sure if I should be doing this."'
At the same time he said that, Tressel later admitted he was covering up his own knowledge of the players' violations.
The NCAA and Ohio State say the case against the players is closed.
It was only when Ohio State began appealing the players' suspensions that it uncovered the emails, leading to Tressel ultimately receiving a five-game suspension and a $250,000 fine. Smith said last week that the fine given to Tressel—who makes around $3.5 million a year—would not cover Ohio State's costs of the investigation.
Tressel has a record of 106-22 at Ohio State and won the 2002 national championship, the Buckeyes' first in 34 years. His team went 12-1 last season, including the 31-26 win over Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl.
The NCAA could accept Ohio State's suggestion of sanctions—the five-game suspension and the fine—or could levy much more severe penalties. Since the NCAA says that Tressel knowingly used ineligible players, it would seem probable that the 2010 regular season would be vacated—ending the Buckeyes' run of Big Ten titles at six in a row. The NCAA could also come down hard on Tressel, compelling Ohio State to add to Tressel's suspension or issue sanctions leading to the school firing him.
AP Sports Writer Tom Withers in Cleveland contributed to this report.
Oh, I so hope the NCAA really nails "The" OSU.
The funny thing is, the "violations" are silly. If he'd just disclosed them, this would be a non-issue. Auburn handing out large suitcases of cash, a little different.
After what the NCAA did to USC I'd be a little worried if I were OSU.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 26, 2011, 08:04:01 PM
After what the NCAA did to USC I'd be a little worried if I were OSU.
Pff. This is a joke compared to SC's violations. Not gonna happen.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 27, 2011, 10:28:52 AM
Pff. This is a joke compared to SC's violations. Not gonna happen.
The NCAA does have this thing about liars. They suspended Dez Bryant indefinitely when he did not even technically break any rules just because he was stupid enough to lie. Dez is not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 27, 2011, 10:28:52 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 26, 2011, 08:04:01 PM
After what the NCAA did to USC I'd be a little worried if I were OSU.
Pff. This is a joke compared to SC's violations. Not gonna happen.
The violations by the players were relatively minor. But their cases have already been decided, their punishments handed down, and there's no new news on that front. But Tressel obviously lied about what he knew and when he knew it, and the NCAA doesn't like that.
Boise State under investigation!
It's for really stupid shitQuoteIn football, the NCAA determined that total dollar value over five years was $4,934 for all of the housing, transportation and meals provided to 63 incoming student-athletes. All services ranged from $2.34 to a maximum of $417.55 and have been reimbursed by the student-athletes.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/05/02/1632708/ncaa-investigating-boise-state.html#ixzz1LGomok8q
$5k over five years for 63 dudes? The horror.
Apparently, this is for things like crashing on couches and not paying back gas money after getting rides.
I'm not a big fan of Boise or anything, but c'mon. Even bothering to investigate shit like this is a waste of everyone's time. Fuck em they have a blue field DEATH PENALTY!
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 03, 2011, 02:00:40 AM
Boise State under investigation! It's for really stupid shit
QuoteIn football, the NCAA determined that total dollar value over five years was $4,934 for all of the housing, transportation and meals provided to 63 incoming student-athletes. All services ranged from $2.34 to a maximum of $417.55 and have been reimbursed by the student-athletes.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/05/02/1632708/ncaa-investigating-boise-state.html#ixzz1LGomok8q
$5k over five years for 63 dudes? The horror.
Apparently, this is for things like crashing on couches and not paying back gas money after getting rides. I'm not a big fan of Boise or anything, but c'mon. Even bothering to investigate shit like this is a waste of everyone's time. Fuck em they have a blue field DEATH PENALTY!
Yeah, stuff like this is where the NCAA really needs to ease up and change some of it's rules. Basically, if you're a student-athlete, if you happen to go to a friend's house and eat a meal, if you don't pay the friend for it, it's considered an illegal extra benefit--as if a student who doesn't play intercollegate sports can't have dinner at a friend's house. And if you stay overnight at a friend's place, you have to pay them for that, as if they were a hotel. It's stupid. I mean, I see why there are rules against it; it's to prevent agents and the like from wining and dining athletes at trendy restaurants and putting them up in luxury hotels, but that's not an excuse to not use common sense in enforcing those rules.
Wow, the Pac-12 just fucking hit a walk off home run with the new TV deal.
The conference was getting about $45 million a year, new deal is worth $250 million per year, and every single Pac-12 football and basketball game will be on TV.
They should just rename it the "Larry Scott Conference" now.
ESPN, Fox or new PAC-12 channel baby.
Maybe now I can watch USC-UCLA on a decent channel.
Utah and Colorado must be fucking shitting themselves right now. Talk about strolling into a jackpot.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 05, 2011, 10:16:52 AM
Maybe now I can watch USC-UCLA on a decent channel.
I wouldn't go that far!
Quote from: katmai on May 05, 2011, 10:17:51 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 05, 2011, 10:16:52 AM
Maybe now I can watch USC-UCLA on a decent channel.
I wouldn't go that far!
I was highly annoyed last year when USC-UCLA was over on Versus or some such bullshit. IT IS FUCKING USC AND UCLA. IT SHOULD BE ON ABC.
One of the best parts of the deal is that it is equal divisions of revenue. No bullshit Texas "we get most of the money and you all STFU and do as your told" crap.
Quote from: Berkut on May 05, 2011, 10:19:38 AM
One of the best parts of the deal is that it is equal divisions of revenue. No bullshit Texas "we get most of the money and you all STFU and do as your told" crap.
:yes:
You can't let one school assrape the rest like Texas is allowed to do in the B12. I still wonder why Oklahoma tolerates that crap.
Quote from: dps on May 03, 2011, 03:12:58 AM
Yeah, stuff like this is where the NCAA really needs to ease up and change some of it's rules. Basically, if you're a student-athlete, if you happen to go to a friend's house and eat a meal, if you don't pay the friend for it, it's considered an illegal extra benefit--as if a student who doesn't play intercollegate sports can't have dinner at a friend's house. And if you stay overnight at a friend's place, you have to pay them for that, as if they were a hotel. It's stupid. I mean, I see why there are rules against it; it's to prevent agents and the like from wining and dining athletes at trendy restaurants and putting them up in luxury hotels, but that's not an excuse to not use common sense in enforcing those rules.
Boise is punishing themselves for this. For the football program, they're cutting out three practices prior to the beginning of the season, and are cutting three scholarships over the next two years.
QuoteYou can't let one school assrape the rest like Texas is allowed to do in the B12. I still wonder why Oklahoma tolerates that crap.
:lol: Because Oklahoma has the same deal as Texas and makes a bunch more money than everyone else. It's based on TV appearances, which Texas and Oklahoma get a lot of, while Kansas and Iowa State....don't. Texas, of course, will be getting another ~$15 million a year, I think it is, from the Horns Network.
So Colorado is going to double their annual take over what they were getting in the B12. Not bad.
Utah...once Utah gets a full share (they get a 50% share in the first year or two as part of their entry agreement) they will literally make 10x what they were getting from the MWC. Per year. From $2million a year to $21 million a year.
Even at the 50% revenue, they are going to be getting 5 times their typical previous income.
Fuck, we shoulda made them take a lesser cut for longer!
Congrats PAC 12 :cool:
Quote from: Berkut on May 05, 2011, 10:25:31 AM
So Colorado is going to double their annual take over what they were getting in the B12. Not bad.
Not surprising. There was reason the conference almost collapsed last year.
It looks like Tressel either needs to fall on his sword, or be made to. It is getting bad now. USC bad.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 08, 2011, 08:27:10 AM
It looks like Tressel either needs to fall on his sword, or be made to. It is getting bad now. USC bad.
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Quote from: Ed Anger on May 08, 2011, 08:27:10 AM
It looks like Tressel either needs to fall on his sword, or be made to. It is getting bad now. USC bad.
A lot easier to visualize a Trojan falling on his sword, with Ohio State it will be more like "Et tu, Brute?"
What happened now?
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2011, 12:22:42 PM
What happened now?
Free cars from a Columbus dealership.
Edit: Well maybe not exactly free, but for some reason
I'm not able to pay for a Chrysler 300 by handing over a jersey with my autograph on it. :hmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2011, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 08, 2011, 08:27:10 AM
It looks like Tressel either needs to fall on his sword, or be made to. It is getting bad now. USC bad.
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I am impervious to your laughs. Unlike some people, I have a thick skin.
Some people are having a lot of fun at Ohio State's expense right now. Some outfit is selling t-shirts with a pic of Paterno's glasses and the word "legends" on the front, and on the back, a pic of Tressel's vest and the word "liars". :lol:
The same bunch has another tee that reads, "Tressel's Tattoo and Pawn--Turning a Blind Eye Since 2001".
And sombody in Michigan put up a red billboard with white letters reading, "liar, liar, vest's on fire".
This is why Michigan will always be better than Ohio State.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/ns/nightly_news/#42937833
I sat through a mini wheats commercial for GERALD FORD? Sigh
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 08, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
Free cars from a Columbus dealership.
Damn that's the same thing they got Maurice for. Except it was in Marion. Won't these people ever learn?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 10, 2011, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 08, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
Free cars from a Columbus dealership.
Damn that's the same thing they got Maurice for. Except it was in Marion. Won't these people ever learn?
I'm beginning to think they thought the 90%+ winning record made them untouchable.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 10, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 10, 2011, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 08, 2011, 12:24:44 PM
Free cars from a Columbus dealership.
Damn that's the same thing they got Maurice for. Except it was in Marion. Won't these people ever learn?
I'm beginning to think they thought the 90%+ winning record made them untouchable.
seems to happen to many programs.
UW got into trouble when booster was paying players for summer jobs they weren't doing.
Well, they've yet to catch the boosters at Auburn for the can't-lose casino either.
Here you go kat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr6oEvOY1Mk
Thanks MBM.
The new qb who beat out Montana's kid.
Biggest question is OL and if they can protect him and open holes for back to back 1,000 rusher in Chris Polk.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6566975
QuotePower brokers discuss paying NCAA athletes
One day after Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said his conference members had discussed the concept of paying student-athletes more than the scholarship money awarded now, several other power brokers in college football weighed in on the topic.
Conference USA commissioner Britton Banowsky said "something has to give on this issue."
"Universities justify spending tens of millions of dollars on coaches' compensation, with a seemingly insatiable appetite for more growth. At the same time, a small fraction of that amount is spent on all scholarships for all student-athletes," Banowsky said. "Unless the student-athletes in the revenue-producing sports get more of the pie, the model will eventually break down. It seems it is only a matter of time."
SEC commissioner Mike Slive said the issue is one that needs to be revisited.
"I have long thought that we should revisit the current limitations on athletic scholarships by expanding to the full cost of attendance," he said. "This is a student-welfare issue that deserves full consideration at both the conference and national level. I look forward to that discussion."
Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, ACC commissioner John Swofford and Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said the concept should be further explored. And spokesmen for NCAA president Mark Emmert and SEC commissioner Mike Slive said they are also in favor of a review that could lead to athletes receiving a "full cost of attendance."
Said Beebe: "This is a topic that BCS commissioners discussed at recent meetings and one that we agreed to review with our respective member institutions at spring conference meetings, which I intend to do at the upcoming annual Big 12 meetings."
Said Swofford: "I think it's something that deserves our full consideration and discussion. It would be consistent with a number of other scholarships that are on our campuses across the country."
Said Scott: "I fully support studying the impact of increasing the grant in aid package for student-athletes. We have not had any discussion on earmarking funds for this purpose."
MAC commissioner Jon Steinbrecher said the issue merits study. But he added, "The first question to answer is -- is this the right thing to do? That is a worthwhile debate. As an association the NCAA strives to differentiate intercollegiate athletics from professional sports and it is important that we continue to maintain the collegiate model."
A spokesman for Emmert said Thursday that Emmert "continues to be interested in discussing options about how to meet student-athletes' needs without paying them salaries."
Emmert has said that closing the gap between monetary awards to merit scholars and student-athletes is worth exploring. On the table could be $2,000 to $5,000 per year per athlete for expenses such as transportation and clothing.
The NCAA spokesman cautioned that while colleges and universities decide on financial-aid levels for student-athletes, for any one conference to implement the "full cost of attendance" plan would require legislative approval from the full NCAA Division I membership.
Swofford added that there are both financial and legal considerations.
"Could it be limited to only revenue-producing sports?" Swofford said. "I'm not sure we would want to do it. And from a legal standpoint, how does it mesh with Title IX? I think we're a ways away from getting there. But it's a student-athlete welfare issue. It's a way to enhance the student-athlete experience and put a dent in some of the financial strains that some athletes have."
Some conferences may be more able to provide the extra funds than others. A spokesman for Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson said Thursday that he did not believe its conference members had discussed the possibility of getting athletes more money.
Joe Schad covers college football for ESPN.
The headline is a bit misleading :shocking:, they are mostly talking about increasing what is covered by a scholarship not necessarily paying the players in cash.
While it is great to see the people who actually matter address the subject I don't think anything will change anytime soon, mostly because of Title IX issues.
I see no reason not to pay them. They are the ones bringing it in. Title 9 could just be revamped so that you can make the female sports allowed to pay their athletes the same percentage of the revenue their sports bring in as they pay the men. lol
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 19, 2011, 07:11:33 PM
I see no reason not to pay them. They are the ones bringing it in. Title 9 could just be revamped so that you can make the female sports allowed to pay their athletes the same percentage of the revenue their sports bring in as they pay the men. lol
The vast majority of college athletes, male or female, don't bring in nickel to their schools.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 19, 2011, 07:11:33 PM
I see no reason not to pay them. They are the ones bringing it in. Title 9 could just be revamped so that you can make the female sports allowed to pay their athletes the same percentage of the revenue their sports bring in as they pay the men. lol
It would be pretty funny to see even some of the "name" college football teams forced to charge their players to play, too, since the programs lose money. The "haves" would be able to afford
all the quality talent. :cool:
More tattoos for Pryor!
Quote from: grumbler on May 19, 2011, 08:42:19 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 19, 2011, 07:11:33 PM
I see no reason not to pay them. They are the ones bringing it in. Title 9 could just be revamped so that you can make the female sports allowed to pay their athletes the same percentage of the revenue their sports bring in as they pay the men. lol
It would be pretty funny to see even some of the "name" college football teams forced to charge their players to play, too, since the programs lose money. The "haves" would be able to afford all the quality talent. :cool:
Yep. The athletic departments at Oregon State and Washington State are so poor right now that they could never afford to pay extra to even the top few players on the football team, much less deal with the Title IX implications of having to pay extra for an equivalent number of women athletes. The schools would probably have to cut every men's sport except basketball and football (though OSU might trade baseball for basketball :p) in order to afford it.
That said something does need to be done. These kids are producing billions and billions of dollars of revenue for the schools, coaches, networks, athletic apparel companies and everyone else with a hand in the college sports pie but a lot of them can't afford to go to a movie during the week or go home to visit mom for Xmas without violating NCAA rules. Not sure what the answer is. I am glad that the important people are looking at it though.
Sad news for the Big 12 tonight: Oklahoma Linebacker Austin Box has died from an Oxycodone overdose.
Quote from: sbr on May 19, 2011, 09:45:30 PM
That said something does need to be done. These kids are producing billions and billions of dollars of revenue for the schools, coaches, networks, athletic apparel companies and everyone else with a hand in the college sports pie but a lot of them can't afford to go to a movie during the week or go home to visit mom for Xmas without violating NCAA rules. Not sure what the answer is. I am glad that the important people are looking at it though.
I agree that something needs to be done, but I admit that anyone that argues that a given player or group of players produces "billions and billions of dollars" makes me suspicious. One could as easily argue that players split over a trillion dollars worth of educational value, on top of getting to travel and have a chance to play for millions in the pros.
The argument that the players are getting screwed can be countered very simply, really: the fact is that competition for these unpaid positions in extremely intense. If the situation were so very unfair, this would be untrue.
I think that the salvation of college football probably requires two elements: the existence of a football equivalent of baseball's minor leagues, so players who have o interest in education (like the entire Oklahoma squad) can still have an entree into pro football without having to pretend to be students; and student-athletes need to receive some kind of compensation for the time they spend practicing and working out.
There is too much money in college football, and that money is ruining the sport.
Meanwhile, in unrelated news: Ohio State remains fucked.
lulz SUCK ON THAT ED YOU SWEATER VEST MONKEY
So jealous.
Quote from: sbr on May 19, 2011, 09:45:30 PM
That said something does need to be done.
I keep hearing people say this, but I never see any actual reason for why it is so obviously true.
Why does "something need to be done"? Is there some kind of crisis out there for student athletes - are they choosing not to play college sports because of the incredible burden having a free ride to school places on them? What is so horrible today compared to the way it has been for decades such that we need to adjust the system?
QuoteThese kids are producing billions and billions of dollars of revenue for the schools, coaches, networks, athletic apparel companies and everyone else with a hand in the college sports pie
Well, no, not really. The athletic programs are producing that money - the "kids" are a part of it sure, but mostly the money comes from advertisers. And the kids are hardly uncompensated. In fact, they are very, very, VERY well compensated. You know how you can tell?
Because there are a hell of a lot more kids who would kill for an athletic scholarship than there are athletic scholarships available, even at the apparently terrible bad and exploitative terms under which the poor kids have to somehow survive today, what with the free education, room and board, etc., etc.
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but a lot of them can't afford to go to a movie during the week
That is simply not true. I knew plenty of athletes while I was in school, and almost universally they had more discretionary income than most other students.
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or go home to visit mom for Xmas without violating NCAA rules. Not sure what the answer is. I am glad that the important people are looking at it though.
I knew lots of students who could not afford to go home at various times. Should we do something about them as well? What about going home for Thanksgiving? If we paid them enough for XMas, would we then need to make sure they could get home for Thanksgiving as well?
What about Halloween? Mothers day?
I am so tired of hearing about how athletes have such a raw deal, and how universities really should funnel more money to them, and by direct implication AWAY from other students, or non-revenue producing athletes.
The NCAA should probably start by not freaking out everytime a none-school person gives a Student athlete money.
Quote from: grumbler on May 20, 2011, 06:26:23 AM
I agree that something needs to be done, but I admit that anyone that argues that a given player or group of players produces "billions and billions of dollars" makes me suspicious. One could as easily argue that players split over a trillion dollars worth of educational value, on top of getting to travel and have a chance to play for millions in the pros.
The argument that the players are getting screwed can be countered very simply, really: the fact is that competition for these unpaid positions in extremely intense. If the situation were so very unfair, this would be untrue.
I think that the salvation of college football probably requires two elements: the existence of a football equivalent of baseball's minor leagues, so players who have o interest in education (like the entire Oklahoma squad) can still have an entree into pro football without having to pretend to be students; and student-athletes need to receive some kind of compensation for the time they spend practicing and working out.
There is too much money in college football, and that money is ruining the sport.
I just want to say I completely agree with everything you just said. Especially the part about Oklahoma.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 20, 2011, 08:19:31 AM
The NCAA should probably start by not freaking out everytime a none-school person gives a Student athlete money.
Uhhh, yeah, that would be a pretty terrible idea.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think that the NCAA actually does a pretty decent job at what they do. It isn't ideal, but it never is going to be ideal - the basic problem is that there is simply a ridiculous amount of money involved in a endeavour that should be not about money, but about education.
Given that basic disconnect, I think the NCAA does a pretty decent job of keeping things about as under control as can be expected. I think the rules suck - but I don't see how the alternative to most of the rules is any better. And there is a clear system for changing those rules based on the will of the member institutions.
It is easy to bitch about how "silly" a lot of the rules are - but then you have to realize that believe it or not, the NCAA doesn't make up those silly rules just to be douchebags - they make them up because at some point someone (almost certainly in the SEC) was trying to fuck up the system by giving some player a bullshit job, or using the "Oh, the player wants to visit his poor grandma..." excuse to funnel them a few thousand dollars or whatever in return for them playing.
The entire system kind of sucks - but I think that is because we insist that we want "student"-athletes to play in what is for all real purposes a professional, for profit sports league. Given that, the system cannot help but be a bit of a mess.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 20, 2011, 08:19:31 AM
The NCAA should probably start by not freaking out everytime a none-school person gives a Student athlete money.
You should probably start by not saying silly things. :P
The problem the NCAA has created is in response to the desire amongst its institutions for simple rules to fight graft. Thus, while almost any student at a school can share a ride back to Kansas with another student going that way, the NCAA athlete cannot. Why? because the ride might be compensation for playing for "the U" provided by boosters, rather than an innocent favor. So, no innocent favors lest they be payments in disguise.
Some people claim to have known many athletes in school who had as much folding cash as non-athletes, but I think anecdotes aren't that useful in approaching this problem. The fact of the matter is that students, except athletes, can get jobs pretty much at will to earn some walking-around money. Athletes, not so much. The hours they put into practice are hours they cannot earn a wage, and even in the off-season are expected to work hours a week on "voluntary" conditioning.
Whether they should be compensated further for these sacrifices, or exactly how they should be compensated if compensation is due, isn't easy. That's why the NCAA rules are so silly in application at times. But what seems clear to me is that NCAA rules are designed for the benefit of the institutions, not the athletes or even the sport.
Can they maybe get a work-study job testing out the gym equipment? :P
Ray Small, a former tenant of Tressel's doghouse, just vomited all over the Buckeye program.
@Berkut & Grumbler. So you guys basically agree with me?
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2011, 09:02:51 AM
@Berkut & Grumbler. So you guys basically agree with me?
What part of "you should probably start by not saying silly things" indicates agreement with you? if you agree with my statements, you need only say so. I have said your statement was silly. I stand by that assessment.
Quote from: grumbler on May 26, 2011, 09:15:48 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2011, 09:02:51 AM
@Berkut & Grumbler. So you guys basically agree with me?
What part of "you should probably start by not saying silly things" indicates agreement with you? if you agree with my statements, you need only say so. I have said your statement was silly. I stand by that assessment.
Why is my statement silly?
I agree with both what Berk & you said after calling out my post. To me, you are saying the same thing with different & many more words.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2011, 09:22:16 AM
Why is my statement silly?
Because you claim that the NCAA is "freaking out everytime a none-school person gives a Student athlete money" when this is demonstrably untrue; the NCAA isn't freaking out at all, and isn't reacting in any way when parents give their student-athlete children money.
QuoteI agree with both what Berk & you said after calling out my post. To me, you are saying the same thing with different & many more words.
If you agree with me, then there's your answer. It isn't a matter of 'freaking out," it is a matter of creating enforceable rules that accomplish the objective and don't over-react.
Quote from: grumbler on May 26, 2011, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2011, 09:22:16 AM
Why is my statement silly?
Because you claim that the NCAA is "freaking out everytime a none-school person gives a Student athlete money" when this is demonstrably untrue; the NCAA isn't freaking out at all, and isn't reacting in any way when parents give their student-athlete children money.
QuoteI agree with both what Berk & you said after calling out my post. To me, you are saying the same thing with different & many more words.
If you agree with me, then there's your answer. It isn't a matter of 'freaking out," it is a matter of creating enforceable rules that accomplish the objective and don't over-react.
Oh. Right. I didn't read it that way.
But I would say the current rules are being over-enforced. Plus everything that happened with the Fab Five.
I think it's a waste of time to pretend it's not about money. Better to just get everything out in the sun.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2011, 10:08:08 AM
But I would say the current rules are being over-enforced. Plus everything that happened with the Fab Five.
I don't think the rules are over-enforced, but I do think that they cover things that shouldn't ideally be covered, like sales of a player's own possessions. OTOH, I understand how the rule is designed to prevent schools from paying players by simply giving them possessions that the players can then sell and live off of. If schools are allowed to do that, then the wealthy schools will simply buy up all the talent and the less-well-off schools will be unable to compete.
Even f you allow players to get paid a stipend, that still leaves the issue of how you allow players to sell their own possessions like regular people, but still prevent the wealthy schools from simply buying players by paying them in "stuff" rather than cash.
I don't follow this this closely but Which schools that have a successfull football/basketball program are less-well-off?
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2011, 11:14:57 AM
I don't follow this this closely but Which schools that have a successfull football/basketball program are less-well-off?
Look at http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ncaa-finances.htm Any school that has significant "direct institutional [or state] support" or operates break even or at a loss is less well-off.
The University of Michigan, for instance, gets no direct institutional support (i.e. subsidies for athletics from the state or school) and takes in $107 million a year, while spending $89 million. It could afford to pay athletes $18 million a year and still break even.
Boise State gets $5 million in direct support, takes in about $32 million on top of that, and spends $37 million a year. They couldn't afford to pay athletes at Michigan's level unless the state was willing to quintuple its subsidy, which doesn't seem likely.
A little sampling seems to prove that if Players are ever going to be compensated some major restructuring of how these programs are administrated is going to be in order.
Ohio State spends 16 mil in coach salaries? Dudes.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2011, 12:41:40 PM
A little sampling seems to prove that if Players are ever going to be compensated some major restructuring of how these programs are administrated is going to be in order.
Ohio State spends 16 mil in coach salaries? Dudes.
Shrug. It is a lot, but as Arizona recently found out in basketball, when you are a top-tier program, the only thing more expensive than expensive coaches are inexpensive ones.
Quote from: Berkut on May 26, 2011, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2011, 12:41:40 PM
A little sampling seems to prove that if Players are ever going to be compensated some major restructuring of how these programs are administrated is going to be in order.
Ohio State spends 16 mil in coach salaries? Dudes.
Shrug. It is a lot, but as Arizona recently found out in basketball, when you are a top-tier program, the only thing more expensive than expensive coaches are inexpensive ones.
That's because you care about the results. ;)
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2011, 12:41:40 PM
A little sampling seems to prove that if Players are ever going to be compensated some major restructuring of how these programs are administrated is going to be in order.
Ohio State spends 16 mil in coach salaries? Dudes.
That's not by any means out of line with the NCAA overage. Texas pays $22 million, but they take in $143 million and so can afford it.
Similarly, Ohio State makes a lot of money and can afford it. The problem isn't the Ohio States or Texases, it is the Boise States and Texas Christians - those are the programs that lose out when you start paying athletes, directly or indirectly.
But even the money programs lose out - those surpluses from football generally pay for the rest of the athletic department.
I know Arizona, which is in the top-20 overall for profitable football/basketball, basically breaks even on their athletic budget. If you look at the football program alone, sure, it probably as some excess income it could devote to pay for athletes. But then someone would have to make up that money that goes to all the other programs somehow, or cut those programs. So even the "haves" can't really afford it - that money all goes back into some pot, and if you take it out of that pot, where will it be made up?
UTSA needs more money. MORE!
Quote from: grumbler on May 26, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 26, 2011, 12:41:40 PM
A little sampling seems to prove that if Players are ever going to be compensated some major restructuring of how these programs are administrated is going to be in order.
Ohio State spends 16 mil in coach salaries? Dudes.
That's not by any means out of line with the NCAA overage. Texas pays $22 million, but they take in $143 million and so can afford it.
Similarly, Ohio State makes a lot of money and can afford it. The problem isn't the Ohio States or Texases, it is the Boise States and Texas Christians - those are the programs that lose out when you start paying athletes, directly or indirectly.
Sounds like a win-win to me.
Anything that gets rid of that awful blue field.
Quote from: Berkut on May 26, 2011, 02:36:10 PM
But even the money programs lose out - those surpluses from football generally pay for the rest of the athletic department.
I know Arizona, which is in the top-20 overall for profitable football/basketball, basically breaks even on their athletic budget. If you look at the football program alone, sure, it probably as some excess income it could devote to pay for athletes. But then someone would have to make up that money that goes to all the other programs somehow, or cut those programs. So even the "haves" can't really afford it - that money all goes back into some pot, and if you take it out of that pot, where will it be made up?
Not sure where you are going with this. The bucks we have been talking about are athletic department budgets. It is true that they include money-making sports and non-money-making sports, and that, if you pay football players, you have to pay baseball players as well (even though baseball is a money-loser), but that doesn't change the fact that a Texas can afford it, and a UConn cannot. UConn already gets more than 10% of its athletics subsidized by the state, and it has national-level mens and women's basketball and played in a BCS bowl in football. Texas got more money in booster contributions and advertising/royalties than UConn got overall. Once Texas starts buying players that would otherwise go to UConn, Texas will only get more contributions, royalties, and advertising, and UConn will only get less.
It's still not a problem. We have too many colleges in the US as it is, and there are 120 odd division I sports programs. Shrinking that number isn't exactly the end of the world.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 26, 2011, 03:24:46 PM
It's still not a problem. We have too many colleges in the US as it is, and there are 120 odd division I sports programs. Shrinking that number isn't exactly the end of the world.
It isn't the end of the world but "We need to pay athletes more cash!" is probably not the best argument for why we should shut down college in the US, or shrink the number of D1 sports programs. Which, btw, is a hell of a lot more than 120. There are 130ish D1 football programs - probably at least twice that many basketball.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 26, 2011, 03:24:46 PM
It's still not a problem. We have too many colleges in the US as it is, and there are 120 odd division I sports programs. Shrinking that number isn't exactly the end of the world.
But that's a completely different issue than paying players (or allowing schools to
de facto pay them by allowing them to get free stuff and sell it).
I am all in favor of both shrinking the number of Div-1 programs and compensating players, but those are independent issues, IMO. I think establishing a semi-pro football system a la baseball will take care of the latter problem, as there won't be enough quality student-athletes and coaches to allow some of the more dubious D-1 programs to stay D-1. Taking some of the money out of D-1 sports is the only way I see to save it.
Sweater Vest resigned. :weep:
C'mon. Urban Meyer or Chucky for coach next year.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 30, 2011, 09:26:45 AM
Sweater Vest resigned. :weep:
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Quote from: Ed Anger on May 30, 2011, 09:45:07 AM
C'mon. Urban Meyer or Chucky for coach next year.
Urban Meyer would never coach in the Big Ten, and Chucky is waaay too happy in the booth.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2011, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 30, 2011, 09:26:45 AM
Sweater Vest resigned. :weep:
:nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson: :nelson:
ditto
Though his resignation isn't what I want to see so much as MAJOR penalties to the program. :menace:
I understand Lloyd Carr is available.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2011, 11:45:06 AM
I understand Lloyd Carr is available.
Now you are just being hurtful.
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Well, I think that they are going to give Fickell a chance to impress them and get the job on a permanent basis. Of course, they're so spoiled that it might take 12 wins to impress them enough to keep him on. But if they don't, hey, at the end of the season Bill Stewart will be available. :P
But seriously, unless the team completely crashes under Fickell, their best bet is probably to give him a real opportunity to coach the team beyond this fall. They're likely to be hit with some pretty serious NCAA penalties ( :nelson: ) and few name coaches are going to be interested in spending 3 or 4 seasons on probation, likely without any bowl games.
Latest rumor is that Sean Miller is front runner for the job. Wildcat nation is freaking out, again.
Quote from: Berkut on May 30, 2011, 05:41:28 PM
Latest rumor is that Sean Miller is front runner for the job. Wildcat nation is freaking out, again.
He can't handle the Big Ten.
I thought about burying my red sweater vest (IT WAS A GIFT) but decided that would have been creepy as hell. Plus it is warm on those chilly fall days.
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SI article is up:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html
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Damn. They have to hit OSU harder than they hit USC if even half of that article is true. Too bad they can't SMU 'em.
There are also more investigations focused on Pryor now.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/05/30/zzz.html
QuoteThe NCAA and the Ohio State University's compliance office are conducting an independent investigation of Terrelle Pryor amid allegations that the star quarterback may have received cars and other extra benefits, sources told The Dispatch today.
And ahahaha I hope this is related:
QuotePryor arrived at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center in a Nissan 350z with temp tags from May 24. He waved to the cameras.
http://twitter.com/#!/TheLantern (http://twitter.com/#!/TheLantern)
:lol:
Edit: Oh The Lantern is apparently Ohio State's student newspaper.
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Incredible.
Quote from: sbr on May 30, 2011, 10:30:38 PM
Damn. They have to hit OSU harder than they hit USC if even half of that article is true. Too bad they can't SMU 'em.
If they did that would be hilarious.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 30, 2011, 07:53:43 PM
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:lol:
Sadly, Luke Fickell is an idiot.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 30, 2011, 11:12:48 PM
Quote from: sbr on May 30, 2011, 10:30:38 PM
Damn. They have to hit OSU harder than they hit USC if even half of that article is true. Too bad they can't SMU 'em.
If they did that would be hilarious.
The NCAA is never going to give a team the death penalty again. I'm not sure they're ever even going to give a team a no-TV penalty again. The worst that Ohio State can expect is 5 years with no bowls and major, major scholarship reductions. Not that that wouldn't be very bad for them. And yeah, all things considered, I'd say that Ohio State should get at least as hit as hard as USC. The violations by players that have been confirmed (not counting the unconfirmed allegations) aren't nearly as bad as the extra benefits that Reggie Bush got, but the falure to report by Tressel when he was told about it and especially his lying about it later are bad.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 30, 2011, 09:26:45 AM
Sweater Vest resigned. :weep:
He had to be sacrificed for the good of Brutus.
I think this episode just shows the lengths one has to go to to be successful at a cold weather school these days.
Yet another Oregon football player having bonding time with the Po-lice.
http://www.registerguard.com/web/sports/26312793-41/coleman-alcohol-officers-alonso-court.html.csp
Chip Kelly, when hearing that one of his players had been picked up by the police, said that he was deeply concerned and would demand serious consequences that could include a possible scolding or even loss of game time in "some future game, probably in the 4th quarter". When told it was a third string freshman linebacker, Coach Kelly kicked him off the team.
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2011, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 30, 2011, 09:26:45 AM
Sweater Vest resigned. :weep:
He had to be sacrificed for the good of Brutus.
I guess. Still going to be 5 years in the wilderness though.
edit: Corrected HIDEOUS grammar. Tim-like grammar. :blush:
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2011, 12:08:24 PM
I think this episode just shows the lengths one has to go to to be successful at a cold weather school these days.
I'm going to keep that comment in mind as the next few years pass. It is either brilliant or looney, and I don't know which.
Quote from: Berkut on May 31, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
Yet another Oregon football player having bonding time with the Po-lice.
http://www.registerguard.com/web/sports/26312793-41/coleman-alcohol-officers-alonso-court.html.csp
Chip Kelly, when hearing that one of his players had been picked up by the police, said that he was deeply concerned and would demand serious consequences that could include a possible scolding or even loss of game time in "some future game, probably in the 4th quarter". When told it was a third string freshman linebacker, Coach Kelly kicked him off the team.
You got "Oregon Football Police" on google alert or something?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 31, 2011, 08:44:24 PM
You got "Oregon Football Police" on google alert or something?
Jealousy is
such an ugly emotion. :cool:
Quote from: dps on May 31, 2011, 03:16:29 AM
The NCAA is never going to give a team the death penalty again.
Yep. If the NCAA had suspected at the time that SMU was going to be completely destroyed as a football program they never would have done it. They are staging a bit of a comeback recently though. It has been really hard for SMU alums to see their hated rival TCU have so much success.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 31, 2011, 08:44:24 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 31, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
Yet another Oregon football player having bonding time with the Po-lice.
http://www.registerguard.com/web/sports/26312793-41/coleman-alcohol-officers-alonso-court.html.csp
Chip Kelly, when hearing that one of his players had been picked up by the police, said that he was deeply concerned and would demand serious consequences that could include a possible scolding or even loss of game time in "some future game, probably in the 4th quarter". When told it was a third string freshman linebacker, Coach Kelly kicked him off the team.
You got "Oregon Football Police" on google alert or something?
Nothing that can't be found reading Ted Millers Pac-10 blog. Errh, Pac-12 blog I mean.
It's not like you have to go looking for the latest news from Thug-U.
Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2011, 09:06:33 AM
It's not like you have to go looking for the latest news from Thug-U.
I usually read the Dorsey4Heisman blog for my Thug U news.
Quote from: Valmy on June 01, 2011, 09:09:49 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 01, 2011, 09:06:33 AM
It's not like you have to go looking for the latest news from Thug-U.
I usually read the Dorsey4Heisman blog for my Thug U news.
Somebody is still bitter over the Cotton bowl.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 01, 2011, 09:13:44 AM
Somebody is still bitter over the Cotton bowl.
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Quote from: Valmy on June 01, 2011, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: dps on May 31, 2011, 03:16:29 AM
The NCAA is never going to give a team the death penalty again.
Yep. If the NCAA had suspected at the time that SMU was going to be completely destroyed as a football program they never would have done it. They are staging a bit of a comeback recently though. It has been really hard for SMU alums to see their hated rival TCU have so much success.
Seems obvious in retrospect what would happen. What did they expect?
Quote from: Valmy on June 01, 2011, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 01, 2011, 09:13:44 AM
Somebody is still bitter over the Cotton bowl.
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:ultra: :ultra: :ultra: :ultra:
Bill in Sinton didn't hook 'em horns enough that week.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 01, 2011, 09:17:42 AM
Seems obvious in retrospect what would happen. What did they expect?
Lots of things seem obvious in retrospect.
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2011, 12:08:24 PM
I think this episode just shows the lengths one has to go to to be successful at a cold weather school college football these days.
I think you meant to say...
I go back and forth on US college football. It's certainly exciting and I love the passion of the fans, but it's so fundamentally hypocritical and deceitful...
Quote from: Barrister on June 01, 2011, 09:33:55 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2011, 12:08:24 PM
I think this episode just shows the lengths one has to go to to be successful at a cold weather school college football these days.
I think you meant to say...
I go back and forth on US college football. It's certainly exciting and I love the passion of the fans, but it's so fundamentally hypocritical and deceitful...
The problem with Valmy's statement (either as he posted it, or as you reivsed it) is that this scandal has almost nothing to do with anything done to make the program successful. The players involved weren't given illegal inducements to go to Ohio State, and the extra benefits they got didn't come from the school or the coaches. The only thing that anyone employed by the school did wrong was that Tressel, on finding out what the players had been doing, apparantly just hoped that it would go away and the NCAA wouldn't find out, and then when the NCAA did find out, he lied about his knowledge of it. Had Tressel just told the compliance office and let them do their jobs, then some of the players may have been permanently ineligible or missed a lot of time last year, and they might have lost a few more games in 2010, but the program wouldn't be facing the possibility of sanctions that would last for years.
All the above with the caveat that there might be things that haven't come to light yet.
Quote from: Barrister on June 01, 2011, 09:33:55 AM
I go back and forth on US college football spectator sports. It's certainly exciting and I love the passion of the fans, but it's so fundamentally hypocritical and deceitful...
I think you meant to say...
Quote from: grumbler on June 01, 2011, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 01, 2011, 09:33:55 AM
I go back and forth on US college football spectator sports. It's certainly exciting and I love the passion of the fans, but it's so fundamentally hypocritical and deceitful...
I think you meant to say...
Not really. :huh:
Well first of all to say all spectator sports is just silly. There are plenty of minor, minor league, kids league, rec league, or what not sports where everyone is purely in it for the joy of the game, and everything is virtue and light.
But if you mean all big money spectator sports... Well pro sports are at least up front that it's all about greed. Owners and players alike.
It's only college sports that has this persistent, ongoing disconnect between its stated goals and the money involved.
Quote from: Barrister on June 01, 2011, 04:25:36 PM
There are plenty of minor, minor league, kids league, rec league, or what not sports where everyone is purely in it for the joy of the game, and everything is virtue and light.
Not really. :huh:
QuoteBut if you mean all big money spectator sports... Well pro sports are at least up front that it's all about greed. Owners and players alike.
It's only college sports that has this persistent, ongoing disconnect between its stated goals and the money involved.
I disagree pretty much completely. In fact, your own posts about a hockey team moving to, I believe, Winnipeg, show that pro sports isn't all about greed. The yteams are run that way, pretty much, but pro sports has this persistent, ongoing disconnect between the business of running a group of professionals and the pretense that this group of professionals is "Winnipeg's team" or whatever.
College sports have the disconnect between the whole "benefit for the student-athlete" and the "benefit for the institution" missions, for sure, and I think the balance has swung too far in favor of the latter for big-money sports, but to pretend that
only college sports has such a disconnect is more than naive; it borders on delusional.
You know, if you think that the main problem with college athletics is that too much money has corrupted the system, it might be a bit ironic that part of what the big money in was anti-trust law. Back about 30 years ago, the Supreme Court ruled that the NCAA's TV contracts violated anti-trust laws. Before that, the NCAA negotiated all the TV contracts, and divided up the TV money among its members. But the court ruled that any school or conference was allowed to negotiate its own TV deal, and the result has been that TV revenues for college basketball and (especially) football have skyrocketed. For fans, in many ways this has been great, because now you can watch college football literally all day and night every Saturday during the season, plus get games on many weeknights, but there's little doubt that the stakes are higher for schools now.
Quote from: dps on June 01, 2011, 02:06:00 PM
The problem with Valmy's statement (either as he posted it, or as you reivsed it) is that this scandal has almost nothing to do with anything done to make the program successful.
What I was saying was a bit more complicated than what BB said or that Ohio State was illegally bribing athletes but rather that guys like Pryor and Maurice Clarett and the others, and Tressel enabling them, brought down Ohio State. I do not think guys like that would have been recruited, and tolerated, back in the day at schools like Ohio State but as it gets harder for them they have to start making compromises that make them look bush league like this recent Auburn/Arizona State-esque scandal.
Hey if there are recruiting violations, which I sorta suspect there are, that would only further point in that direction. But hey maybe some coach goes to Michigan or someplace and shows you can still compete straight up for national dominance and proves my suspicions wrong.
Quote from: Valmy on June 02, 2011, 12:54:34 AM
But hey maybe some coach goes to Michigan... and shows you can still compete straight up for national dominance and proves my suspicions wrong.
From your mouth to god's ear. :goodboy:
Quote from: dps on June 01, 2011, 09:00:06 PM
You know, if you think that the main problem with college athletics is that too much money has corrupted the system, it might be a bit ironic that part of what the big money in was anti-trust law. Back about 30 years ago, the Supreme Court ruled that the NCAA's TV contracts violated anti-trust laws. Before that, the NCAA negotiated all the TV contracts, and divided up the TV money among its members. But the court ruled that any school or conference was allowed to negotiate its own TV deal, and the result has been that TV revenues for college basketball and (especially) football have skyrocketed. For fans, in many ways this has been great, because now you can watch college football literally all day and night every Saturday during the season, plus get games on many weeknights, but there's little doubt that the stakes are higher for schools now.
Yes, I think you have hot one of the nails on the head. The scholarship reforms didn't bring thee parity expected because TV revenue "reforms" countered them. I think TV money will be the death of the sport.
Talking on your phone near Patti LaBelle's luggage is not allowed.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/patti-labelle-sued-west-point-cadet-houston-airport/story?id=13752701
QuoteNever come between the "Godmother of Soul" and her luggage. That's the lesson a West Point cadet says he learned at Houston airport when he charges Patti LaBelle's security guards roughed him up.
Richard King, 23, is suing LaBelle over the incident, captured on surveillance video last March 11 at Bush Intercontinental Airport.
King, a Houston resident who is a senior at the military academy, had come home for spring break when he wandered close to LaBelle's limousine. He was talking to his brother on his cellphone when her bodyguards "sprang into action," according to the civil suit he filed this week against the singer and her entourage.
"Apparently defendant LaBelle believed King was standing too close to her (no doubt expensive) luggage, even though he was oblivious to her presence," the lawsuit says. "LaBelle lowered the window of her limousine and gave a command to a trio of bodyguards. " The suit says LaBelle "watched the vicious assault, with approval, from her limousine."
The video shows King being punched and falling against a concrete pillar. He tries three times to get up and finally moves away from the scene. After an ambulance takes him away, the video shows Houston cops posing with LaBelle for a photo. Blood is seen on the ground nearby.
King, who suffered a concussion, has no memory of the incident. "I remember waking up the next morning with staples in my head," he said. He is "shocked" when he watches the video. "I've never been in a fight in my life," he says.
More at the link, including:
QuoteWest Point has taken disciplinary action against King after they were notified of the incident by Houston cops, Raley says. He is being busted to private and deployed to active duty. He had been scheduled to graduate in December with the rank of second lieutenant.
The video can be seen here: http://www.chron.com/video/?973292276001
Edit: Also, I guess the Mountain West Conference just unveiled their new logo and it only has a big "MW" in it, but I can't find any pictures of it yet. I saw a twitter comment that popped up with a Google search comparing it to the Dr Who "DW" logo, and now others saying it looks like a Rubik's Cube or a 90's bank logo.
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Der Fuhrer Tressel has promised victory against Michigan while speaking to a pro-Tressel rally outside his home.
If there is a loss against Michigan in November? Clearly a stab in the back by the press and Ray Small.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 06, 2011, 01:42:51 PM
QuoteWest Point has taken disciplinary action against King after they were notified of the incident by Houston cops, Raley says. He is being busted to private and deployed to active duty. He had been scheduled to graduate in December with the rank of second lieutenant.
Damn! :pinch:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 06, 2011, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 06, 2011, 01:42:51 PM
QuoteWest Point has taken disciplinary action against King after they were notified of the incident by Houston cops, Raley says. He is being busted to private and deployed to active duty. He had been scheduled to graduate in December with the rank of second lieutenant.
Damn! :pinch:
Moral: don't engage in public underage drinking if you are a cadet at West Point. Sucks to get caught this way, but there you are.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 06, 2011, 02:28:22 PM
Der Fuhrer Tressel has promised victory against Michigan while speaking to a pro-Tressel rally outside his home.
If there is a loss against Michigan in November? Clearly a stab in the back by the press and Ray Small.
There's a guy at work more obnoxious than you when it comes to sweatervest monkeydom.
I dropped the "I understand Lloyd Carr is available" line on him. Didn't talk to me the rest of the day.
Quote from: grumbler on June 06, 2011, 07:57:38 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 06, 2011, 07:35:03 PM
Damn! :pinch:
Moral: don't engage in public underage drinking if you are a cadet at West Point. Sucks to get caught this way, but there you are.
At least he's getting what he's getting. Naval Academy would've tossed him.
Quote from: grumbler on June 06, 2011, 07:57:38 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 06, 2011, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 06, 2011, 01:42:51 PM
QuoteWest Point has taken disciplinary action against King after they were notified of the incident by Houston cops, Raley says. He is being busted to private and deployed to active duty. He had been scheduled to graduate in December with the rank of second lieutenant.
Damn! :pinch:
Moral: don't engage in public underage drinking if you are a cadet at West Point. Sucks to get caught this way, but there you are.
Is the legal drinking age in Houston 24 or higher?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 06, 2011, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 06, 2011, 02:28:22 PM
Der Fuhrer Tressel has promised victory against Michigan while speaking to a pro-Tressel rally outside his home.
If there is a loss against Michigan in November? Clearly a stab in the back by the press and Ray Small.
There's a guy at work more obnoxious than you when it comes to sweatervest monkeydom.
I dropped the "I understand Lloyd Carr is available" line on him. Didn't talk to me the rest of the day.
:lol:
You should have said RichRod was available. He would have had a stroke.
Quote from: grumbler on June 06, 2011, 07:57:38 PM
Moral: don't engage in public underage drinking if you are a cadet at West Point. Sucks to get caught this way, but there you are.
He's 23.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 06, 2011, 08:25:49 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 06, 2011, 07:57:38 PM
Moral: don't engage in public underage drinking if you are a cadet at West Point. Sucks to get caught this way, but there you are.
He's 23.
Where does it even say he was drinking?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 06, 2011, 08:25:49 PM
He's 23.
I had my facts wrong, it seems. The story I read (blog, so there you go) had him as a 20-year-old rising junior at the academy being punished for underage drinking.
Not sure what they were punishing him for, then. He has left the academy, it seems. http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/06/3681533/west-pointer-who-sued-diva-labelle.html
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 06, 2011, 08:42:45 PMWhere does it even say he was drinking?
His lawyer was saying he had had a couple of drinks, and LaBelle's driver was saying he smelled like booze, was drunk, etc.
Quote from: grumblerI had my facts wrong, it seems. The story I read (blog, so there you go) had him as a 20-year-old rising junior at the academy being punished for underage drinking.
Not sure what they were punishing him for, then. He has left the academy, it seems. http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/06/3681533/west-pointer-who-sued-diva-labelle.html
He might have been on some sort of probation or something, which might help explain his almost immediate shit-canning (although maybe not, if he was able to just leave like your story says here??).
Edit: Unless they mean "is now a deployable private" when they say "left the academy." I like that all but the last couple lines of the story is also included in the caption under the photo of LaBelle. Heh.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 06, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 06, 2011, 07:58:24 PM
There's a guy at work more obnoxious than you when it comes to sweatervest monkeydom.
I dropped the "I understand Lloyd Carr is available" line on him. Didn't talk to me the rest of the day.
:lol:
You should have said RichRod was available. He would have had a stroke.
Either would be an excellent choice. They sure know how to beat Michigan.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 06, 2011, 09:16:56 PM
His lawyer was saying he had had a couple of drinks, and LaBelle's driver was saying he smelled like booze, was drunk, etc.
The police report also apparently notes that he smelled of booze. I kinda expect he had more than just a "couple" of those airline drinks. Not that this would be a dismissible offense if he did.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 06, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 06, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 06, 2011, 07:58:24 PM
There's a guy at work more obnoxious than you when it comes to sweatervest monkeydom.
I dropped the "I understand Lloyd Carr is available" line on him. Didn't talk to me the rest of the day.
:lol:
You should have said RichRod was available. He would have had a stroke.
Either would be an excellent choice. They sure know how to beat Michigan.
That's an Elvis GrLULZ right there.
The video sure makes it seem like he was attacked without much provocation, other than being near the divas bags.
I don't see how the drinking really enters into the debate - its not like having a couple drinks, even to the point of intoxication, means it is ok for has been pop starts to have their thugs beat the shit out of you.
So, USC was stripped of their 2004 Championship. Does anyone care? We all remember who won the Orange Bowl.
I imagine the USC Athletic Department cares quite a bit.
Also, Oklahoma, which sucks btw, doesn't get the win, but now they only "lost" 0-19, so they probably care too! :cool:
Quote from: Berkut on June 06, 2011, 10:31:08 PM
The video sure makes it seem like he was attacked without much provocation, other than being near the divas bags.
True, though the start of this is off-screen. The guy doesn't seem to me to spend enough time off-screen to get into an argument and punch somebody, though.
QuoteI don't see how the drinking really enters into the debate - its not like having a couple drinks, even to the point of intoxication, means it is ok for has been pop starts to have their thugs beat the shit out of you.
Thanks for posting this. We now know that, if and when when someone starts to argue that having a couple of drinks, even to the point of intoxication, means it is ok for has-been pop stars to have their thugs beat the shit out of you, you will be ready for them! The rest of us don't have to prepare to counter that argument, if and when it actually is made.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 07, 2011, 04:32:31 AM
So, USC was stripped of their 2004 Championship. Does anyone care? We all remember who won the Orange Bowl.
No.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 07, 2011, 04:32:31 AM
So, USC was stripped of their 2004 Championship. Does anyone care? We all remember who won the Orange Bowl.
I remember you sucking Pete Carrol cock. The rest is sort of a blur.
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2011, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 07, 2011, 04:32:31 AM
So, USC was stripped of their 2004 Championship. Does anyone care? We all remember who won the Orange Bowl.
I remember you sucking Pete Carrol cock. The rest is sort of a blur.
Timmay on a bandwagon? What a shocka.
Pretty good article looking insude how the Pac-1012 media deal came about.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2011/05/09/Media/Pac-10.aspx
I wonder what the next deal is going to look like...If that Pac-12 can get $250 million a year, does that mean the SEC and Big-10 are worth even more? Or is this deal going to be the one that people later say "Yeah, they totally over-paid there..." and the prices drop back to something a bit less insane?
The Pac-12 signed a 12 year deal though. That seems like a long time...
Quote from: Berkut on June 07, 2011, 11:22:33 AM
and the prices drop back to something a bit less insane?
I don't know man. Fox just set up that $90 million dollar deal with the Big 12 for whatever games are left over after ABC/ESPN show theirs. Iowa State vs. Kansas type stuff. It just keeps going up, and the Big 12 and Big 10 are going to be getting new deals in the next 4 years. Shit, ESPN is investing $300 million into the Longhorn Network alone.
Edit: Holy shit, speaking of a lot of years on a contract, I didn't know the BTN contract was through 2031-32.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 07, 2011, 11:56:57 AM
Shit, ESPN is investing $300 million into the Longhorn Network alone.
Yeah that is fucking crazy.
Whether or not prices drop back depend more on the ratings and advertising revenue than anything else.
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2011, 12:10:19 PM
Yeah that is fucking crazy.
I'm pretty happy about being able to watch every Horns baseball game for the next 20 years. :punk:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 07, 2011, 12:15:36 PM
I'm pretty happy about being able to watch every Horns baseball game for the next 20 years. :punk:
Oh my God me to. Generally Texas fans only care about the Football team but maybe more will start to appreciate the glory that is the baseball team to because of this station.
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2011, 12:17:23 PM
Oh my God me to. Generally Texas fans only care about the Football team but maybe more will start to appreciate the glory that is the baseball team to because of this station.
Hey speaking of which, they have the Super Regional schedule up on NCAA.com: Arizona State @ Texas starting Friday at 6 Central on ESPN.
http://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/2011-06-07/super-regional-sites-times-released
(Oh and go Dallas Baptist too)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 07, 2011, 12:23:07 PM
Hey speaking of which, they have the Super Regional schedule up on NCAA.com: Arizona State @ Texas starting Friday at 6 Central on ESPN.
I have tickets! So pumped!
But I have a stupid dinner party I have to attend Saturday night goddamn it. Ah well DVR.
I am pumped for this. Arizona State is the biggest bunch of bush league punks in College Baseball. Texas Humiliating them and watching that hypocritical douche Pat Murphy cry in 2009 is one of my most treasured sports memories. Naturally they are playing despite being on probation and a post-season ban but are appealing it...which is so much crap because they know they did it. Really it is hard to vocalize just how loathsome that school is.
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2011, 12:25:58 PM
I have tickets! So pumped!
But I have a stupid dinner party I have to attend Saturday night goddamn it. Ah well DVR.
A dinner party? Bill from Sinton is going to show up and stab you.
QuoteI am pumped for this. Arizona State is the biggest bunch of bush league punks in College Baseball. Texas Humiliating them and watching that hypocritical douche Pat Murphy cry in 2009 is one of my most treasured sports memories. Naturally they are playing despite being on probation and a post-season ban but are appealing it...which is so much crap because they know they did it. Really it is hard to vocalize just how loathsome that school is.
I hope all their seniors bail immediately when they lose the appeal.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 07, 2011, 12:33:38 PM
A dinner party? Bill from Sinton is going to show up and stab you.
It is a free meal at one of the nicest restaurants in town...and really it would have been the height of rudeness to turn it down.
And I had to commit to this weeks ago...I just had to hope there would not be a Super Regional game that night and of course there is.
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
And I had to commit to this weeks ago...I just had to hope there would not be a Super Regional game that night and of course there is.
It always seems to work out like that.
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2011, 12:25:58 PM
I am pumped for this. Arizona State is the biggest bunch of bush league punks in College Baseball. Texas Humiliating them and watching that hypocritical douche Pat Murphy cry in 2009 is one of my most treasured sports memories. Naturally they are playing despite being on probation and a post-season ban but are appealing it...which is so much crap because they know they did it. Really it is hard to vocalize just how loathsome that school is.
:yes:
I am really starting to like you valmy...
Pryor leaving Ohio State.
Braxton Miller is da future.
Pryor4CFL
Maybe he can go play in Omaha with Maurice.
I'm glad he's gone. His bullshit had gotten old. Sure, he could bulldoze college linebackers but I'd love to see him try to stiff arm RayRay or AJ Hawk.
Quote from: Berkut on June 07, 2011, 02:09:26 PM
:yes:
I am really starting to like you valmy...
Just for you Berkut:
Texas mocking Rudy Carpenter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmuCg-Uvis&NR=1
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 07, 2011, 05:34:33 PM
Pryor4CFL
You say that as if it is a bad thing... :wacko:
Quote from: Barrister on June 07, 2011, 11:46:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 07, 2011, 05:34:33 PM
Pryor4CFL
You say that as if it is a bad thing... :wacko:
I'm not going to get into one your bullshit running arguments about your shitty little league. I don't feel like it.
Quote from: Barrister on June 07, 2011, 11:46:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 07, 2011, 05:34:33 PM
Pryor4CFL
You say that as if it is a bad thing... :wacko:
You say that as thought it being a bad thing was a bad thing. :wacko:
I think Pryor's talent level will fit the CFL much better than the NFL. He would make a lot less money per year in the minors, but his career would be longer because he would be one of the most talented and skilled players in his league, rather than one of the least. I think that, in general, CFL football rewards the kinds of skills the typical successful college QB develops much more than the NFL does.
Quote from: grumbler on June 08, 2011, 07:52:29 AM
I think Pryor's talent level will fit the CFL much better than the NFL. He would make a lot less money per year in the minors, but his career would be longer because he would be one of the most talented and skilled players in his league, rather than one of the least. I think that, in general, CFL football rewards the kinds of skills the typical successful college QB develops much more than the NFL does.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
For starters, the CFL is still a highly skilled league, with only 8 teams (and thus 8 starting QB jobs). Thus every year we get former hot shot college QBs coming up here who get cut, or who stick around a few years as the third string QB. It's still pretty hard to be 'one of the most talented and skilled players in his league'.
Plus, size and 'athleticism' tend to be far less important in the CFL. This isn't a league with a lot of option plays. Rather, it's heavily pro-passing league. With a significantly wider field it's even more improtant than in the US to have a strong arm. I don't think that's exactly Terrelle Pryor's game (but I don't know if I ever watched an Ohio State game he played in).
And I'm going to ignroe you calling the CFL a "minor league" as a fairly obvious troll. :bowler:
I'd say 'semi-pro'.
And yes, Pryor can gun the ball. I'd just check the tattoo parlors for a grey cup if he is on the winning team.
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 09:35:06 AM
And I'm going to ignroe you calling the CFL a "minor league" as a fairly obvious troll. :bowler:
Quote from: wikipediaThe CFL began enforcing a salary cap for the 2007 season of $4.05 million per team.
I think my Monopoly game has more money in it.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 08, 2011, 09:51:16 AM
I think my Monopoly game has more money in it.
It helps make the games affordable.
You can buy an end zone season ticket for $165 in Winnipeg. I don't think you can even bug a single ticket for an NFL game at that price. :punk:
You know what else if affordable?
AAA baseball tickets.
Yeah I am puzzled by BB's claim the CFL is not a minor league.
The four major leagues are MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL. Surely he does not believe the CFL belongs with them?
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 09:54:27 AM
I don't think you can even bug a single ticket for an NFL game at that price. :punk:
You would be wrong.
Quote from: Valmy on June 08, 2011, 10:00:08 AM
Yeah I am puzzled by BB's claim the CFL is not a minor league.
The four major leagues are MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL. Surely he does not believe the CFL belongs with them?
No, it doesn't belong with them. The salaries are lower, as are the production values. And yes, the NFL all in all has more talented players.
But the reason I resist the term minor league is because a minor league means a developmental league.
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Minor_league
That's not really the case with the CFL. Players can't be called up from the CFL to the NFL. There's no developmental deal. And at some points in history the CFL actually competed with the NFL for talent (see Warren Moon or Rocket Ishmail).
Finally, the CFL is the premiere, is the number 1, football league in Canada. There is no other league in Canada for it to be inferior to.
It would be like calling MLS "minor league". While obviously MLS isn't a big money sport in north america the way the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL are, I don't think the term fits.
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 10:10:05 AM
It would be like calling MLS "minor league". While obviously MLS isn't a big money sport in north america the way the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL are, I don't think the term fits.
Well I do consider MLS a minor league. But I guess if you consider "minor league" means "developement league" then alright that certainly doesn't fit the MLS and CFL.
Lets compromise and call them a magor minor league :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 09:35:06 AMRather, it's heavily pro-passing league. With a significantly wider field it's even more improtant than in the US to have a strong arm.
You live in the land of perfect football weather, and you completely waste the opportunity by relying heavily on the pass? I am dissappoint.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 08, 2011, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 09:35:06 AMRather, it's heavily pro-passing league. With a significantly wider field it's even more improtant than in the US to have a strong arm.
You live in the land of perfect football weather, and you completely waste the opportunity by relying heavily on the pass? I am dissappoint.
It's a summer league. Pre-season games start next week. :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 10:27:18 AM
It's a summer league. Pre-season games start next week. :contract:
I would love to see Edmonton playing in January.
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 10:27:18 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 08, 2011, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 09:35:06 AMRather, it's heavily pro-passing league. With a significantly wider field it's even more improtant than in the US to have a strong arm.
You live in the land of perfect football weather, and you completely waste the opportunity by relying heavily on the pass? I am dissappoint.
It's a summer league. Pre-season games start next week. :contract:
Yeah, they like to play in the summer, so as to not interfere with major league football.
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 09:35:06 AM
For starters, the CFL is still a highly skilled league, with only 8 teams (and thus 8 starting QB jobs). Thus every year we get former hot shot college QBs coming up here who get cut, or who stick around a few years as the third string QB. It's still pretty hard to be 'one of the most talented and skilled players in his league'.
It is highly skilled compared to an non-pro or semi-pro league, for sure. Pryor would be one of the most talented and skilled players in it, though. He is a phenom.
QuotePlus, size and 'athleticism' tend to be far less important in the CFL. This isn't a league with a lot of option plays. Rather, it's heavily pro-passing league. With a significantly wider field it's even more improtant than in the US to have a strong arm. I don't think that's exactly Terrelle Pryor's game (but I don't know if I ever watched an Ohio State game he played in).
I am not sure what your point is, here. You cannot possibly say that Pryor wouldn't fit in given that you admit that you haven't even seen him play. From what i have seen of the CFL, he would fit in quite well. Hios numbers look very much like those of Henry Burris, last year's CFL player of the year (and another former, though not nearly as good, tall or fast) US collegian.
QuoteAnd I'm going to ignroe you calling the CFL a "minor league" as a fairly obvious troll. :bowler:
I am sure you want to ignore the fact that going from the CFL to NFL is universally considered a promotion, while going in the reverse is universally considered a demotion. That spells minor league to me. YMMV.
Grumgler, every single QB in the CFL is a former US collegian. It's a very old story that gets trotted out by the sports media perhaps once a year "how come there are no Canadian QBs". So on that basis Pryor may well be a good, great or even legendary QB in this league if that's where he winds up going.
My point was merely that since the CFL gets second pick of US college players, and since there are what, 120 Div IA teams graduating students every year (not to mention other divisions), that positions in the CFL are pretty competitive, and that due to differences in the game different kinds of players are sometimes more successful here.
Comparing numbers between an 18 game CFL season and an 12 game college season, with significantly different rules between the two, is not likely to be very helpful.
I thought (but am free to be corrected) that Pryor was in that Michael Vick/Vince Young "run first" college QB model. That isn't typically what works in the CFL. Ironic that you mention Hank Burris though, because he's the exception to that rule.
And comparisons to amateur or semi-pro leagues are right out, by the way. The CFL is a fuly professional league. Players even at the bottom of the roster make a minimum of about $40,000. It's not a lot of money, but players do not have to work a second job if they don't want to (some do however).
The CFL is the second most talented football league in the world. It's not at all close between #2 and #1, but there's no league that's close to #2 either.
FWIW, I would think a wider field would be a great benefit to the option game.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 08, 2011, 11:17:13 AM
FWIW, I would think a wider field would be a great benefit to the option game.
And you know what, maybe we need some bright mind to come up here and revolutionize the way we play football in CFL. One criticism I have of the league is that while all the players come from the US, very few coaches do. We keep recycling the same head coaches, and hiring from within Canada.
I've often thought that a team should reach out and hire some hotshot young US college co-ordinator and see what they can do. Now the salaries are such you're certainly not hiring anyone out of, say, Ohio State, but there are talented people working at smaller colleges that would be willing to work for a CFL head coach salary.
Why would a promising young coordinator want to go to the CFL?
Sorry I noted that Pryor was like the CFL's MVP last year, BB. When it comes to CFL footballl, maybe it is inappropriate to examine the MVP to determine what makes a player valuable. I just don't know enough about Canadian Football to know that the Most valuable Player doesn't possess the kinds of skills and talents that makes a player at his position valuable.
I do pretty clearly know more about CFL than you do about Pryor, though, if you think Pryor is a "run first" QB.
I think Pryor might do well to go to the CFL to sharpen his skills, is my point. He didn't finish his senior year in college, and I think he isn't ready to play QB in the NFL. Certainly the CFL would expose him to the best defensive players he could find outside the NFL.
QuoteI thought (but am free to be corrected) that Pryor was in that Michael Vick/Vince Young "run first" college QB model. That isn't typically what works in the CFL. Ironic that you mention Hank Burris though, because he's the exception to that rule.
Early Pryor was. At the Rose Bowl against Oregon, he started to switch over to 'look to pass, then run'. His senior year was supposed to be him coming into his own as a throwing QB.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 08, 2011, 11:48:21 AM
Why would a promising young coordinator want to go to the CFL?
You could certainly make the same kind of money as at a small school (Div IAA or DII) in the US, or better, but I don't know how much freedom and job security you would have. I know nothing about the reps of CFL owners/GMs.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 08, 2011, 11:48:21 AM
Why would a promising young coordinator want to go to the CFL?
Head coaching experience. Six figure salary.
As I said, no one from one of the big "power schools" would be interested. But the offensive co-ordinator from, I dunno, Utah or or Rutgers (and I just picked the names of somewhat smaller schools at random - I have no idea who the OC at either school actually is).
And cross border moves do happen. I still remember when Mike Reilly, the last Bomber coach to win the Grey Cup, left the team to coach at Oregon State. :(
Freedom and job security? About as much as any level of football, which is to say next to none. :D
Quote from: grumbler on June 08, 2011, 11:51:36 AM
Sorry I noted that Pryor was like the CFL's MVP last year, BB. When it comes to CFL footballl, maybe it is inappropriate to examine the MVP to determine what makes a player valuable. I just don't know enough about Canadian Football to know that the Most valuable Player doesn't possess the kinds of skills and talents that makes a player at his position valuable.
I do pretty clearly know more about CFL than you do about Pryor, though, if you think Pryor is a "run first" QB.
I think Pryor might do well to go to the CFL to sharpen his skills, is my point. He didn't finish his senior year in college, and I think he isn't ready to play QB in the NFL. Certainly the CFL would expose him to the best defensive players he could find outside the NFL.
Why do you get so abrasive g? I just want to talk football.
I don't necessarily disagree with your last paragraph, though I don't know if Pryor is NFL ready or not. The last I heard of him was that commentators were urging him to switch positions, and figured he'd easily be drafted that way. He'd certainly make more money as a running back or receiver in the NFL than as a quarterback in Canada.
I was mostly reacting to the notion that he was almost guaranteed to be a star in Canada.
It didn't work that way for Raghib Ismail - perhaps the only example of a genuine college star (and Heisman runner-up) that signed in Canada instead of being highly sought after in the NFL. While he certainly wasn't a bust (and he was a Grey Cup MVP in '91, a game I remember well as it was the first ever Grey Cup in Winnipeg), it was generally felt he didn't live up to expectations, and he went to the NFL after two seasons.
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 11:05:50 AM
I thought (but am free to be corrected) that Pryor was in that Michael Vick/Vince Young "run first" college QB model.
That does not necessarily mean the player cannot pass. Both Vick and Young are pretty good throwers even at the NFL level though Young does have that funky throwing motion. I actually sort of object to the idea either Vick or Young were "run first" like they were a wishbone QB or something.
Who said he'd be a star in the CFL?
Quote from: grumbler on June 08, 2011, 11:53:27 AM
You could certainly make the same kind of money as at a small school (Div IAA or DII) in the US, or better, but I don't know how much freedom and job security you would have. I know nothing about the reps of CFL owners/GMs.
He seems to be talking about 1A schools.
Quote from: BeebHead coaching experience. Six figure salary.
As I said, no one from one of the big "power schools" would be interested. But the offensive co-ordinator from, I dunno, Utah or or Rutgers (and I just picked the names of somewhat smaller schools at random - I have no idea who the OC at either school actually is).
They both already make six figure salaries (Norm Chow is at Utah, Cignetti is at Rutgers). Those are both 1A schools in AQ conferences, by the way. The next step for them (well not Chow I guess) is a 1A head coaching spot somewhere.
QuoteAnd cross border moves do happen. I still remember when Mike Reilly, the last Bomber coach to win the Grey Cup, left the team to coach at Oregon State. :(
Haha is that the same Mike Riley who was the old SA Riders coach back in the early 90's?
Quote from: Valmy on June 08, 2011, 12:06:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 11:05:50 AM
I thought (but am free to be corrected) that Pryor was in that Michael Vick/Vince Young "run first" college QB model.
That does not necessarily mean the player cannot pass. Both Vick and Young are pretty good throwers even at the NFL level though Young does have that funky throwing motion. I actually sort of object to the idea either Vick or Young were "run first" like they were a wishbone QB or something.
Vick has a gun. Dude raped the Bengals with it one year. :weep:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 08, 2011, 12:08:21 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 08, 2011, 11:53:27 AM
You could certainly make the same kind of money as at a small school (Div IAA or DII) in the US, or better, but I don't know how much freedom and job security you would have. I know nothing about the reps of CFL owners/GMs.
He seems to be talking about 1A schools.
Quote from: BeebHead coaching experience. Six figure salary.
As I said, no one from one of the big "power schools" would be interested. But the offensive co-ordinator from, I dunno, Utah or or Rutgers (and I just picked the names of somewhat smaller schools at random - I have no idea who the OC at either school actually is).
They both already make six figure salaries (Norm Chow is at Utah, Cignetti is at Rutgers). Those are both 1A schools in AQ conferences, by the way.
QuoteAnd cross border moves do happen. I still remember when Mike Reilly, the last Bomber coach to win the Grey Cup, left the team to coach at Oregon State. :(
Haha is that the same Mike Riley who was the old SA Riders coach back in the early 90's?
I'll concede that a 1A, AQ co-ordinator wouldn't go to Canada. Maybe from a non-AQ school though.
And a quick check shows that A: yes it is the same Mike Riley, and B: he didn't go right from the Bombers to Oregon State like I somehow remembered.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 08, 2011, 12:07:19 PM
Who said he'd be a star in the CFL?
Grumbler seemed to:
QuoteI think Pryor's talent level will fit the CFL much better than the NFL. He would make a lot less money per year in the minors, but his career would be longer because he would be one of the most talented and skilled players in his league, rather than one of the least. I think that, in general, CFL football rewards the kinds of skills the typical successful college QB develops much more than the NFL does.
Emphasis added.
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 12:12:41 PM
I'll concede that a 1A, AQ co-ordinator wouldn't go to Canada. Maybe from a non-AQ school though.
To be fair though Utah is only AQ starting this coming season, and Rutgers is in the Big East, which barely qualifies.
Edit: What are the CFL coaching salaries like? Dudes like Larry Coker and Dennis Franchione, head coaches of 1AA -> non AQ 1A transition teams, make $210k (Coker) and $350k (Franchione) plus incentives and whatever that are included in those types of things. If they were just looking for some cash, instead of trying to work their way back into higher level 1A college football like I suspect both of them are doing and aren't going to succeed with, guys like that could probably be poached. They're not exactly "hotshots" or "young" though, and their coordinators probably aren't superstars in the making. :P
QuoteAnd a quick check shows that A: yes it is the same Mike Riley, and B: he didn't go right from the Bombers to Oregon State like I somehow remembered.
Sweet. That dude has been all over the place in all sorts of weird leagues (the Riders were....World League...WLF or WLAF something like that) and at different levels. Interesting career he's had.
I had wondered where Larry Coker went.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 08, 2011, 12:27:13 PM
I had wondered where Larry Coker went.
Into the void of coaching a non-existent/non-playing team for the first ~two years of his contract and not getting paid much for his efforts. I think his salary is supposed to start going up once they actually start playing games.
He seems to have done okay with recruiting and stuff. They actually got some dudes with stars next to their names, which I wasn't expecting.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 08, 2011, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 12:12:41 PM
I'll concede that a 1A, AQ co-ordinator wouldn't go to Canada. Maybe from a non-AQ school though.
To be fair though Utah is only AQ starting this coming season, and Rutgers is in the Big East, which barely qualifies.
Edit: What are the CFL coaching salaries like? Dudes like Larry Coker and Dennis Franchione, head coaches of 1AA -> non AQ 1A transition teams, make $210k (Coker) and $350k (Franchione) plus incentives and whatever that are included in those types of things. If they were just looking for some cash, instead of trying to work their way back into higher level 1A college football like I suspect both of them are doing and aren't going to succeed with, guys like that could probably be poached. They're not exactly "hotshots" or "young" though, and their coordinators probably aren't superstars in the making. :P
QuoteAnd a quick check shows that A: yes it is the same Mike Riley, and B: he didn't go right from the Bombers to Oregon State like I somehow remembered.
Sweet. That dude has been all over the place in all sorts of weird leagues (the Riders were....World League...WLF or WLAF something like that) and at different levels. Interesting career he's had.
I believe a CFL head coach makes something like $100-$200k, but now that I'm looking I can't find any numbers. It depends on the coach of course.
What can I say - I've had the notion that an agressive CFL team should find a coach from US college ranks, rather than from within Canada, is one I've had for several years. But nobody seems to be doing it. But if you're a young assistant or co-ordinator at a place like, I dunno, Miami of Ohio (to pick a school I KNOW isn't in an AQ conference), but you're not likely to get a head coaching job anytime soon, getting the chance to be a head coach in a pro football league would be pretty intriguing.
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 11:05:50 AM
And comparisons to amateur or semi-pro leagues are right out, by the way. The CFL is a fuly professional league. Players even at the bottom of the roster make a minimum of about $40,000. It's not a lot of money, but players do not have to work a second job if they don't want to (some do however).
Good lord, I doubt Pryor can afford that a pay cut like that.
QuoteHere's the AP's story:
The Saskatchewan Roughriders have acquired the negotiating rights to Terrelle Pryor and have spoken to Pryor's lawyer about bringing the former Ohio State quarterback to the Canadian Football League.
Pryor's attorney, Larry James, said Wednesday that the CFL is a genuine possibility for the ex-Buckeye.
"Yeah, it's like I told (the Roughriders). My house is not for sale, but at the right price, it's on the market," James said.
James was in a meeting and had yet to speak with Pryor about the Roughriders, however. James said he did not believe Pryor had ever mentioned the CFL as a strong possibility in their conversations.
I looked at the QB's on all 8 CFL teams. What a joke.
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2011, 12:10:19 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 07, 2011, 11:56:57 AM
Shit, ESPN is investing $300 million into the Longhorn Network alone.
Yeah that is fucking crazy.
I don't know. If that was over something like 20 years, that wouldn't be such a big deal.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 08, 2011, 07:58:12 PM
I looked at the QB's on all 8 CFL teams. What a joke.
They probably make less than 3d string NFL QBs.
Quote from: Berkut on June 08, 2011, 09:57:08 AM
You know what else if affordable?
AAA baseball tickets.
Yeah, but it's not like someone can actually stomach a baseball game.
Anyways BB, the CFL is definitely a minor league to the NFL. That's why guys like that's why guys like Cameron Wake and Warren Moon aren't looking back, and guys like John Chick would rather be on an NFL practice squad than a CFL active roster.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 08, 2011, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 08, 2011, 07:58:12 PM
I looked at the QB's on all 8 CFL teams. What a joke.
They probably make less than 3d string NFL QBs.
Depends. A star CFL QB makes at most a half million dollars a year. That's comparable to a number of NFL backups.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 08, 2011, 11:17:13 AM
FWIW, I would think a wider field would be a great benefit to the option game.
They only get 3 downs instead of 4. It puts a premium on passing.
Quote from: dps on June 08, 2011, 08:22:29 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 08, 2011, 11:17:13 AM
FWIW, I would think a wider field would be a great benefit to the option game.
They only get 3 downs instead of 4. It puts a premium on passing.
Indeed. That said, the wider field does spread the defence and result in some space to run.
Quote from: Barrister on June 08, 2011, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 08, 2011, 11:51:36 AM
Sorry I noted that Pryor was like the CFL's MVP last year, BB. When it comes to CFL footballl, maybe it is inappropriate to examine the MVP to determine what makes a player valuable. I just don't know enough about Canadian Football to know that the Most valuable Player doesn't possess the kinds of skills and talents that makes a player at his position valuable.
I do pretty clearly know more about CFL than you do about Pryor, though, if you think Pryor is a "run first" QB.
I think Pryor might do well to go to the CFL to sharpen his skills, is my point. He didn't finish his senior year in college, and I think he isn't ready to play QB in the NFL. Certainly the CFL would expose him to the best defensive players he could find outside the NFL.
Why do you get so abrasive g? I just want to talk football.
I am talking football, and you are throwing around inaccurate statements about players. Dunno why you are so belligerent about the idea that the CFL would serve Pryor well as minor league experience. It is no different than JuCo backers in the US understanding that players will want to move up to NCAA Div I schools at some point, if they can. If pointing out the truth is "getting abrasive," I have always been getting abrasive.
QuoteI don't necessarily disagree with your last paragraph, though I don't know if Pryor is NFL ready or not. The last I heard of him was that commentators were urging him to switch positions, and figured he'd easily be drafted that way. He'd certainly make more money as a running back or receiver in the NFL than as a quarterback in Canada.
That is correct, but he says he wants to play as a QB. I doubt he'd ever get drafted as a QB (or RB, for that matter) without some polishing, though. He's just still too raw a talent, phenomenal as his skills are. He'd be a great WR, I would think, with that size and speed and athleticism.
QuoteI was mostly reacting to the notion that he was almost guaranteed to be a star in Canada.
Well, discuss that with the person who said he was almost guaranteed to be a star in Canada. I am not interested in having that discussion.
They just said on Sportscenter (breaking news and all that) during a segment with Schefter that, according to his lawyer, Pryor is not interested in the CFL and is concentrating on the supplemental draft.
Edit: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3383012&pagenumber=273#post392481587
Must have seen himself in a flannel shirt and hated the look.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 09, 2011, 12:18:19 PM
Must have seen himself in a flannel shirt and hated the look.
Hope he likes the way he looks holding a clipboard. 'Cause that's about all he'll get to do at this point for any half-way decent NFL team, unless they move him to WR or something.
He deserves to work at Burger King.
Hey g, I'm curious what you think about the uniforms Michigan might (will?) be wearing against Notre Dame this year:
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Some numbered helmets also popped up on a GIS.
E: Helmets and info here: http://detnews.com/article/20110401/SPORTS0201/104010429/1131/rss17
No pictures of what ND will be wearing, but going by the description, maybe something similar to these?
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I am for it but only if Brady Hoke dresses up like Fielding Yost.
I like those Michigan digs.
Yeah I kinda like em too. They were a little shocking when I first saw them in an SAS thread, but they've grown on me. The stitching or whatever in the "M" and numbers is a little weird, but no biggie. I wonder what the pants are going to look like.
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:lol:
I am a bit disappointed in the Michigan throwback uniform, because it is nothing of the sort. It's a mix of elements from various uniforms, and so meaningless to me. What's the point of wearing a "throwback" uniform that never existed?
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How in the hell can you screw up Blue and yellow? You can if you add stripes to the shoulders. Yuck. Looks like a mutant barber's pole.
Yeah, they done fucked up. First thing that pops into my mind is: Oregon. And that's a bad thing.
Even Woody Hayes would want to punch that.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 10, 2011, 07:59:48 PM
How in the hell can you screw up Blue and yellow? You can if you add stripes to the shoulders. Yuck. Looks like a mutant barber's pole.
That's how the sleeves used to be striped, back in the day. I don't think OSU even existed, let alone played football, back then, though, so OSUers wouldn't know.
This was the 1891 uniform:
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Reminds me of....
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Quote from: Ed Anger on June 10, 2011, 08:15:31 PM
Reminds me of....
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That's the Fighting Irish, dude! :lol:
I think I have a pair of pants like that.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 10, 2011, 07:59:48 PM
How in the hell can you screw up Blue and yellow? You can if you add stripes to the shoulders. Yuck. Looks like a mutant barber's pole.
To be fair, anything with that neon yellow is gonna be ugly. The best thing would simply be to make them all blue. But I still think it's cool in comparison.
Quote from: Valmy on June 07, 2011, 12:25:58 PM
I am pumped for this. Arizona State is the biggest bunch of bush league punks in College Baseball. Texas Humiliating them and watching that hypocritical douche Pat Murphy cry in 2009 is one of my most treasured sports memories. Naturally they are playing despite being on probation and a post-season ban but are appealing it...which is so much crap because they know they did it. Really it is hard to vocalize just how loathsome that school is.
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:punk:
The Texas pitching staff gave up four earned runs in three games. Take that you cheating fuckers enjoy your post season ban.
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2011, 10:15:39 PM
The Texas pitching staff gave up four earned runs in three games. Take that you cheating fuckers enjoy your post season ban.
Nomar getting all butthurt about the interference call and the balk against a team that shouldn't have even been there in the first place was also pretty great. I really enjoyed that game.
I wonder what's going to happen to Cliff Harris. Pulled over going 118 in a 65 while driving with a suspended license (also, the car was apparently rented by an Oregon employee, not him).
This little promo from the Longhorn Network schedule is hilarious:
QuoteExclusively on Longhorn Network, airing Mondays after every game, Coach Mack Brown will breakdown that week's match-up, highlighting key plays and turning points, with a no-holds-barred attitude that Longhorn fans have come to expect from him.
That wild and crazy Mack Brown! He's over the top no holds barred! We should start calling him Stone Cold Mack! Oh, the craziness!
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2011, 12:10:45 PM
This little promo from the Longhorn Network schedule is hilarious:
QuoteExclusively on Longhorn Network, airing Mondays after every game, Coach Mack Brown will breakdown that week's match-up, highlighting key plays and turning points, with a no-holds-barred attitude that Longhorn fans have come to expect from him.
That wild and crazy Mack Brown! He's over the top no holds barred! We should start calling him Stone Cold Mack! Oh, the craziness!
We have a caller! Bill in Sinton, please turn your TV down.
Oh hey, Cliff Harris was suspended indefinitely:
http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15234764/ducks-cb-harris-suspended-indefinitely-to-sit-opener-vs-lsu (http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15234764/ducks-cb-harris-suspended-indefinitely-to-sit-opener-vs-lsu)
Quote from: Valmy
That wild and crazy Mack Brown! He's over the top no holds barred! We should start calling him Stone Cold Mack! Oh, the craziness!
:lol: Mack, NO HOLDS BARRED: "The kids played hard, which is all I ask."
Or some variation of that.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 16, 2011, 01:00:48 PM
Or some variation of that.
That is sort of how I imagine that show going:
Kids...Texas kids...kids...good kids...we got good Texas kids and when you have kids, good Texas ones, you win. Because winners are good Texas kids.
Oh and kids.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 15, 2011, 05:11:38 PM
We have a caller! Bill in Sinton, please turn your TV down.
"You are so great coach and I love Texas so much I wave the flag and hook'em horns every chance I get. My son is named Bevo and my truck is burnt orange and I have a giant tattoo that says 'I love Mack' right on my..."
"Ah thank you Bill for your support of the program. We have good kids here. Texas kids and they play hard."
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 16, 2011, 01:00:48 PM
Oh hey, Cliff Harris was suspended indefinitely:
http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15234764/ducks-cb-harris-suspended-indefinitely-to-sit-opener-vs-lsu (http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15234764/ducks-cb-harris-suspended-indefinitely-to-sit-opener-vs-lsu)
Nothing to see here, everything is fine with Oregon football, all programs have these little problems, Oregon is no different, and better than most, really fer sure!
He will be back on the field before conference play though.
Quote from: Berkut on June 16, 2011, 01:27:55 PM
Nothing to see here, everything is fine with Oregon football, all programs have these little problems, Oregon is no different, and better than most, really fer sure!
He will be back on the field before conference play though.
And neither Willie Tuitama nor Delashaun Dean ever played for the Wildcats. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft2.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcQx8Js1z8S7AD4IQqokgp8vrIKVOqzX1rLd9pmiIUXF7cJFO3uZMA%26amp%3Bt%3D1&hash=b65cc94d3273689b1387642a8d6869ed8c403700)
What is wrong with Willie???
Quote from: Berkut on June 16, 2011, 03:05:32 PM
What is wrong with Willie???
He got a DUI...but I thought that only happened after he stopped playing for Arizona.
Oh, right. A DUI. After he was no longer a player for Arizona.
Yeah, I think that is probably relevant somehow.
Actually, I am not sure how it would be relevant even if he was still an Arizona player when it happened - I certainly have never claimed that Arizona was some pristine model of a college football program. I imagine they get their typical share of dumbasses.
Oregon goes out and recruits them though. Which is why they get so much MORE than their typical share. Which I guess is probably a good thing for the rest of us. Thug U dilutes the pool by encouraging the worst to mostly go to one place.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 16, 2011, 01:00:48 PM
Quote from: Valmy
That wild and crazy Mack Brown! He's over the top no holds barred! We should start calling him Stone Cold Mack! Oh, the craziness!
:lol: Mack, NO HOLDS BARRED: "The kids played hard, which is all I ask."
Or some variation of that.
No shit. What's next,
Lou Holtz...After Dark: Uncensored
Quote from: Valmy on June 16, 2011, 03:08:36 PM
He got a DUI...but I thought that only happened after he stopped playing for Arizona.
:lol: That's just like saying "Cliff Harris hasn't played for Oregon since his speeding incident."
Tuitama left the team after the incident, so of course the incident occurred "after he stopped playing." He stopped playing for Arizona because of the incident.
Quote from: grumbler on June 17, 2011, 07:22:44 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 16, 2011, 03:08:36 PM
He got a DUI...but I thought that only happened after he stopped playing for Arizona.
:lol: That's just like saying "Cliff Harris hasn't played for Oregon since his speeding incident."
Tuitama left the team after the incident, so of course the incident occurred "after he stopped playing." He stopped playing for Arizona because of the incident.
Huh?
Tuitama stopped playing for Arizona because he didn't have any remaining eligibility. His last game was as a senior at the 2008 Holiday Bowl, where he was the MVP.
Maybe you are thinking of someone else? I am sure there are players at Arizona who have been kicked off the team for doing something stupid, but Tuitama is not one of them.
Any of guys know Bo Bowling? Should I expect anything good out of him?
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 17, 2011, 09:06:11 AM
Any of guys know Bo Bowling? Should I expect anything good out of him?
Um I know he was a pretty good reciever for Oklahoma State and generally if you play offense for them you have to be pretty good.
And um...yeah that's all I got. I think he got in trouble off the field but my memory is sorta hazy.
I'm okay with off the field trouble. He's trying to make the CFL roster. He should have no trouble.
Since Ben Cahoon retired we need a new white awesome receiver.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 17, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
Since Ben Cahoon retired we need a new white awesome receiver.
I have to say there are alot more of them then there used to be. White people must be getting faster.
Quote from: Valmy on June 17, 2011, 09:17:15 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 17, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
Since Ben Cahoon retired we need a new white awesome receiver.
I have to say there are alot more of them then there used to be. White people must be getting faster.
Ohio State has been cranking them out for the last 8 years. Gonzo, Hartline, Sanzenbacker and if he pans out (and all signs point to yes), Stoneburner.
Not the fastest guys out there, but damn can they catch.
:yes:
Just the other day I ran a 40 in under 10 seconds. :w00t:
Quote from: Berkut on June 17, 2011, 08:23:24 AM
Huh?
Tuitama stopped playing for Arizona because he didn't have any remaining eligibility. His last game was as a senior at the 2008 Holiday Bowl, where he was the MVP.
Maybe you are thinking of someone else? I am sure there are players at Arizona who have been kicked off the team for doing something stupid, but Tuitama is not one of them.
You are correct. I had my Arizona "thugs" confused. It was Delashaun Dean who left the team after he broke the law.
Moral is, though, that kids that age will be stupid, and people who live in glass houses, etc.
Quote from: grumbler on June 17, 2011, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 17, 2011, 08:23:24 AM
Huh?
Tuitama stopped playing for Arizona because he didn't have any remaining eligibility. His last game was as a senior at the 2008 Holiday Bowl, where he was the MVP.
Maybe you are thinking of someone else? I am sure there are players at Arizona who have been kicked off the team for doing something stupid, but Tuitama is not one of them.
You are correct. I had my Arizona "thugs" confused. It was Delashaun Dean who left the team after he broke the law.
Moral is, though, that kids that age will be stupid, and people who live in glass houses, etc.
I suppose. But I don't think noting that some programs have more of these kinds of issues than others, and have pretty questionable means of reacting to them is throwing stones in a glass house.
I think Arizona is pretty typical for a program of its size (football wise anyway). It has its share of dumbasses like Dean.
Quote from: Valmy on June 17, 2011, 09:17:15 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 17, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
Since Ben Cahoon retired we need a new white awesome receiver.
I have to say there are alot more of them then there used to be. White people must be getting faster.
Wyoming gets slow black receivers...the white guys are sessile.
Quote from: PDH on June 17, 2011, 12:48:29 PM
Wyoming gets slow black receivers...the white guys are sessile.
Your QB showed blazing speed on that TD last year though.
Quote from: Valmy on June 17, 2011, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: PDH on June 17, 2011, 12:48:29 PM
Wyoming gets slow black receivers...the white guys are sessile.
Your QB showed blazing speed on that TD last year though.
Then he left the program!
Quote from: PDH on June 17, 2011, 01:20:52 PM
Then he left the program!
:o
Well Wyoming better get another one in time for the 2012 Texas-Wyoming game!
Quote from: Valmy on June 17, 2011, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: PDH on June 17, 2011, 01:20:52 PM
Then he left the program!
:o
Well Wyoming better get another one in time for the 2012 Texas-Wyoming game!
So is that Texas' slogan for this season, "Still good enough to beat Wyoming--if they don't have a QB!"?
Quote from: dps on June 17, 2011, 02:34:13 PM
So is that Texas' slogan for this season, "Still good enough to beat Wyoming--if they don't have a QB!"?
Not playing Wyoming this season that is why I said '2012'. But I am taking nothing for granted :P if Texas can be beaten by Iowa State now anything is possible.
The turnover from last season in the coaching staff was so high I am not really sure what to think of this coming season. I just hope they change the culture of entitlement that has been a problem for Texas ever since Mack Brown has been there. His loyalty to veterans was admirable in alot of ways but it sure got frustratiing waiting for subpar guys to graduate so more talented younger guys could play. It really got bad last seasons because entire units were underperforming year after year and no changes were being made...well ok there was lots of desk chair re-arranging but no personnel changes which was the real problem.
The Oregon thing has taken a rather amusing turn.
So the basic issue that the NCAA is investigating is whether or not this Lyles character steered players to Oregon in return for cash. Oregon paid Lyles $25,000 in one lump sum payment, which seems like a lot for dubious "recruiting services".
Oregon claims the payment was for Lyles recruiting service, and not a quid pro quo for Lyles steering recruits like Lamichael James to the school. So the NCAA asked "OK, $25k is kind of a lot - what did you get for that?" and the response is "Lyles recruiting service provided summaries about potential national recruits, yadda, yadda, yadda".
So a newspaper asked for the report in question.
This was bought and paid for in 2010, for the 2011 season.
Turns out all the players in the report graduated in 2009. Some in 2008. One of them actually played against Oregon in the Rose Bowl that year, and even got a sack! Another one died a year earlier in a car accident. In college.
Of course, at this point it is hard to really know that there is a fire, but damn there sure is a lot of smoke...
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 17, 2011, 10:19:43 AM
:yes:
Just the other day I ran a 40 in under 10 seconds. :w00t:
A lot of people can run 40 feet in 10 seconds.
Quote from: Berkut on June 21, 2011, 12:00:46 PM
The Oregon thing has taken a rather amusing turn.
So the basic issue that the NCAA is investigating is whether or not this Lyles character steered players to Oregon in return for cash. Oregon paid Lyles $25,000 in one lump sum payment, which seems like a lot for dubious "recruiting services".
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/
Oregon is being incredibly stupid about this: releasing that unbelievably obvious bogus document. They are about to be fucked.
And of course Lyles admitted to steering players peoples way...oh and he accused Texas of paying off High School coaches..but he has hated Texas forever for trying to take him down. Since he was so eager to name the specific player he sold to Oregon in the interview maybe he can name these High School coaches eh? Talk about damning yourself. "I didn't want to steer kids their way" naming Seastrunk by name. Hilarious.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 21, 2011, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 17, 2011, 10:19:43 AM
:yes:
Just the other day I ran a 40 in under 10 seconds. :w00t:
A lot of people can run 40 feet in 10 seconds.
I need to stretch first.
Honestly, I am kind of torn on the Oregon thing.
On the one hand, they've become my favorite team to hate after the Masoli thing.
But at the end of the day I am a Pac-10 guy, and the last thing the Pac-10 needs is the other legit top-10 program in the conference getting whacked right after USC shit themselves.
And if this mess with Oregon does go somewhere, it could be worse than USC. USC could at least argue that their issues were largely driven by a particular player. If Oregon has done what it looks like they've done, their issues are institutional, and they won't stop with Lyles.
Quote from: Valmy on June 21, 2011, 06:25:04 PM
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/
Oregon is being incredibly stupid about this: releasing that unbelievably obvious bogus document. They are about to be fucked.
And of course Lyles admitted to steering players peoples way...oh and he accused Texas of paying off High School coaches..but he has hated Texas forever for trying to take him down. Since he was so eager to name the specific player he sold to Oregon in the interview maybe he can name these High School coaches eh? Talk about damning yourself. "I didn't want to steer kids their way" naming Seastrunk by name. Hilarious.
I think you are right about Oregon being stupid, but I also think you completely misread what Lyles said. He didn't admit that he was steering players, he "admitted" that Texas was
claiming he steered players, and mentioned, when asked, one particular player that Texas claimed he had steered.
He does sound dirty to me, but not because of this interview.
Quote from: Berkut on June 22, 2011, 07:56:56 AM
Honestly, I am kind of torn on the Oregon thing.
On the one hand, they've become my favorite team to hate after the Masoli thing.
But at the end of the day I am a Pac-10 guy, and the last thing the Pac-10 needs is the other legit top-10 program in the conference getting whacked right after USC shit themselves.
And if this mess with Oregon does go somewhere, it could be worse than USC. USC could at least argue that their issues were largely driven by a particular player. If Oregon has done what it looks like they've done, their issues are institutional, and they won't stop with Lyles.
Utah wins the conference in its 1st year? :hmm:
You may be right grumbles but he came so tantalizingly close...
anyway North Carolina also going down: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/06/21/ncaa.unc/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a1
Quote
If you're an NCAA rules junkie, reading the Notice of Allegations handed down on North Carolina's football program Tuesday must be like unwrapping the latest iPhone.
It's got everything.
Academic fraud? There's an app for that. Extra benefits? More different types from more different people than you could possibly fit on one screen. Agents? Oh, so many agents -- both real and wannabes. And then there's John Blake, the assistant coach who was secretly working for a sports agent while employed by the university. He might get his own page in the next NCAA manual.
For all the tawdry scandals that have tarnished college football over the past 12 months -- from USC to Tennessee, from Cam Newton to Jim Tressel -- one can easily argue that the nine major violations levied against Butch Davis' program Tuesday contain more filth and more blatant disregard for the rule book than any of them.
What a masscre.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 21, 2011, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 17, 2011, 10:19:43 AM
:yes:
Just the other day I ran a 40 in under 10 seconds. :w00t:
A lot of people can run 40 feet in 10 seconds.
Did I say ran? I meant drank. :blush:
Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2011, 09:19:57 AM
You may be right grumbles but he came so tantalizingly close...
anyway North Carolina also going down: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/06/21/ncaa.unc/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a1
Quote
If you're an NCAA rules junkie, reading the Notice of Allegations handed down on North Carolina's football program Tuesday must be like unwrapping the latest iPhone.
It's got everything.
Academic fraud? There's an app for that. Extra benefits? More different types from more different people than you could possibly fit on one screen. Agents? Oh, so many agents -- both real and wannabes. And then there's John Blake, the assistant coach who was secretly working for a sports agent while employed by the university. He might get his own page in the next NCAA manual.
For all the tawdry scandals that have tarnished college football over the past 12 months -- from USC to Tennessee, from Cam Newton to Jim Tressel -- one can easily argue that the nine major violations levied against Butch Davis' program Tuesday contain more filth and more blatant disregard for the rule book than any of them.
What a masscre.
This mess hasn't been discussed as much in the media because obviously Carolina hasn't had the success that USC, Oregon, or THE Ohio State University have enjoyed, but yeah, it's looks pretty bad. Of course, I hear more about it than most, I suppose, given that I like down here now (though since I'm not a fan of either NC or NC State, I don't pay as much attention to it as I might). Except for the John Blake thing, most of it actually seems rather minor, but there's just so much of it. Yeah, I can buy that the coach didn't (and can't) know everytime one of his players attended a party that he shouldn't have; the coach can't keep track of the exact movements of all his players all the time, but the "Coach O'Brien didn't know" defense has been used so much in the past year that it seems that he
never has any idea where any of his assistants or players are, or what they're doing.
Wasn't there a State fan here at one point?
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Who can spot it?
USSR? lol
A refresher for Chip Kelly:
Cheating for Dummies:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/07/05/cheating-for-dummies/index.html?eref=twitter_feed (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/07/05/cheating-for-dummies/index.html?eref=twitter_feed)
So the Pac-12 started last week, it was interesting to find out only two teams from conference never to make it to a Rose Bowl in the existence of the Pac-10.
Quote from: katmai on July 05, 2011, 03:29:55 PM
So the Pac-12 started last week, it was interesting to find out only two teams from conference never to make it to a Rose Bowl in the existence of the Pac-10.
I thought only Arizona. You counting Colorado and Utah in that?
Quote from: katmai on July 05, 2011, 03:29:55 PM
So the Pac-12 started last week, it was interesting to find out only two teams from conference never to make it to a Rose Bowl in the existence of the Pac-10.
Arizona and ????
Can we focus on Oregon and their upcoming sanctions please?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 05, 2011, 03:39:43 PM
Quote from: katmai on July 05, 2011, 03:29:55 PM
So the Pac-12 started last week, it was interesting to find out only two teams from conference never to make it to a Rose Bowl in the existence of the Pac-10.
I thought only Arizona. You counting Colorado and Utah in that?
Arizona has never been there, the other team I'm counting is Oregon St. They last were in Rose Bowl in 1965, so not in the 1979-2011 life of the Pac-10.
:)
OSU is the other school, btw.
Quote from: Berkut on July 05, 2011, 04:01:31 PM
Can we focus on Oregon and their upcoming sanctions please?
When and If the NCAA does something about it sure.
Quote from: katmai on July 05, 2011, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 05, 2011, 04:01:31 PM
Can we focus on Oregon and their upcoming sanctions please?
When and If the NCAA does something about it sure.
Pfft. We hardly have to wait for that to happen.
I didn't follow the news at all over the weekend and I still haven't read the latest Yahoo! article so I wasn't really aware of how bad this had blown up recently. The local sports talk radio show's Poll Question of the Day is:
Who will be Oregon's head football coach by the time the season begins?
Chip Kelly
Mike Bellotti
Other
Chip is leading at 66% at the moment, Bellotti has 14%. They will be interviewing Will Lyles today at 5:00 today, I hope to remember to listen to it.
Quote from: Berkut on July 05, 2011, 04:13:32 PM
Quote from: katmai on July 05, 2011, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 05, 2011, 04:01:31 PM
Can we focus on Oregon and their upcoming sanctions please?
When and If the NCAA does something about it sure.
Pfft. We hardly have to wait for that to happen.
You have to wait for the NCAA to do
anything. I would be surprised to see any NCAA action against Oregon this calender year, probably before the 2012 season starts though. Kelly may pull a Pete Carroll and be gone before any sanction hit the Ducks though.
Quote from: sbr on July 05, 2011, 06:28:49 PM
I didn't follow the news at all over the weekend and I still haven't read the latest Yahoo! article so I wasn't really aware of how bad this had blown up recently. The local sports talk radio show's Poll Question of the Day is:
Who will be Oregon's head football coach by the time the season begins?
Chip Kelly
Mike Bellotti
Other
Chip is leading at 66% at the moment, Bellotti has 14%. They will be interviewing Will Lyles today at 5:00 today, I hope to remember to listen to it.
Isn't Bellotti now a broadcaster or something, left UO completely?
Quote from: katmai on July 05, 2011, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: sbr on July 05, 2011, 06:28:49 PM
I didn't follow the news at all over the weekend and I still haven't read the latest Yahoo! article so I wasn't really aware of how bad this had blown up recently. The local sports talk radio show's Poll Question of the Day is:
Who will be Oregon's head football coach by the time the season begins?
Chip Kelly
Mike Bellotti
Other
Chip is leading at 66% at the moment, Bellotti has 14%. They will be interviewing Will Lyles today at 5:00 today, I hope to remember to listen to it.
Isn't Bellotti now a broadcaster or something, left UO completely?
He was with ESPN last year, I am surprised he didn't get back into coaching this year. I don't think he was ready to quit coaching when he did; the school knew Kelly would take another job if he didn't get the Ducks job soon so they forced Bellotti out. A lot of people I knew were very happy about it but I was skeptical at first, Bellotti did a very good job with the Ducks Kelly had come out of nowhere just a year or two before.
I don't know if the bridges were burned beyond repair between Oregon and Bellotti, I would like to see him back though.
Just to make you feel better Berkie about a school that can't make the Rose Bowl, here is Seattle papers take on UO affairs.
:P
QuoteHow much drama is too much for Oregon football program?
Issue with Texas scout is latest in a series of off-field problems under coach Chip Kelly.
Bud Withers
Seattle Times colleges reporter
From the start, Chip Kelly seemed to be a step ahead of his rivals. The Oregon football coach ran practices differently, he exhausted defenses with his relentlessly brisk offense, he defied convention when his teams made two-point conversions with ridiculous ease.
Apparently, he's been imaginative off the field too.
Until last week's provocative Yahoo.com report, there was considerable belief that in their murky dealings with Texas scout Will Lyles, the Ducks were merely operating in a gray area — exploiting another loophole, as it were. They've claimed, in essence, to be country hicks for paying Lyles $25,000 for his scouting service, and getting a steaming mound of outdated boiler plate in return (right, the school that's cutting edge in marketing, uniform design and facilities was merely naïve in dishing 25 large to Lyles).
Still, that's plausible deniability, and these days, it goes a long way.
But today, even if Lyles' contention can be assailed that he was more influence-peddler than scout to the Ducks, it can't be comforting to Oregon to see that he provided to Yahoo phone records of 38 calls in an 11-day period in January 2010 when he connected with UO coaches and staffers.
That was when Lyles was orchestrating the end run of legal guardianship from running back Lache Seastrunk's mother to his grandmother. Mom didn't approve of his signing with Oregon, but Grandma did. And there's an email from an Oregon compliance officer proving the Ducks were eminently aware, even helpful.
There are several possible descriptions of Lyles — scout, agent, football gadabout. The one that has to chill the Ducks to the bone is: Oregon booster. That's what the NCAA will be sorting out. If the conclusion isn't favorable to Oregon, they could come to find that the NCAA hoosegow isn't nearly to the standard of their own facilities.
If I'm an Oregon administrator, there's a bigger issue here, bigger even than what the NCAA might do to the Ducks. As in, how much drama can you stand with your football program?
When the Ducks turned into the dictionary definition of a nouveau riche college-football program, there were murmurs of unrest from precincts like some of the Oregon faculty. But those were drowned out with the reality that athletic success is too important to too many people — university presidents, among them — to apply the brakes.
That much is understandable. It's not as easily sloughed off when you take stock of the legal issues and other indiscretions that have mounted in the Kelly regime:
• The infamous LeGarrette Blount punch.
• Jeremiah Masoli's conviction for misdemeanor second-degree burglary.
• LaMichael James' physical-harassment misdemeanor against a female.
• Involvement by a couple of players in a campus brawl in early 2010.
• The case of linebacker Kiko Alonso, who, after a season's suspension for DUI in 2010, got whacked in May with criminal trespass and criminal mischief for trying, in a stupor, to enter a house he mistakenly believed was his.
• Cornerback Cliff Harris' June citation for going 118 miles an hour on I-5, in a vehicle rented by a university employee.
Harris was going fast, much like the Ducks the past couple of years. The only thing more breathtaking than the Oregon offense is Kelly's plea to Lyles last winter, begging him to ship scouting materials, posthaste, when he knew media outlets were onto the $25,000 payment.
I wonder who's running the show at Oregon these days — besides Phil Knight, I mean. Including Bill Moos, who left in 2007, Oregon has been through a dizzying five athletic directors, none of whom gives the impression he's anything but intoxicated with the football program's success.
Last Friday, Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott was in Salt Lake City, welcoming Utah into the conference. But with the latest revelations in Eugene, it was hardly a feel-good day for the league.
In his two years on the job, Scott has worked at blinding speed. So too, Chip Kelly in his two, not always in a good way.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 05, 2011, 11:19:14 AM
Wasn't there a State fan here at one point?
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Who can spot it?
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? Isn't that gone?
nor do the Netherlands Antilles.
Don't expect Michigan State people to know anything. If they was smart, they would have gotten into Michigan.
Quote from: Neil on July 06, 2011, 06:59:35 AM
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? Isn't that gone?
Very good. Now, if you had been careful enough to read MiM's post yesterday in which he already answered this question, it would have been even better.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 06, 2011, 08:06:34 AM
nor do the Netherlands Antilles.
Good catch, but the poster may be older than the dissolution of the N.A.
Quote from: grumbler on July 06, 2011, 08:23:59 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 06, 2011, 08:06:34 AM
nor do the Netherlands Antilles.
Good catch, but the poster may be older than the dissolution of the N.A.
It's very inclusive Poster. Even got Montserrat on there.
This chick here has been hired to do something for the Longhorn Network:
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Good arm, needs to work on the celebration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMqvRPGtRzc
I approve. Also, the Rice game and one Big 12 game are going to be on the network this upcoming season.
Pretty excited about them hiring Kevin Dunn as well. A big Texas baseball expert/fanatic like him bodes well for me.
Ohio State vacated its victories last year.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 08, 2011, 04:31:12 PM
Ohio State vacated its victories last year.
:console: It is an admirable attempt to keep the NCAA at bay.
Quote from: Valmy on July 08, 2011, 04:34:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 08, 2011, 04:31:12 PM
Ohio State vacated its victories last year.
:console: It is an admirable attempt to keep the NCAA at bay.
And Gee and Gene Smith to keep their jobs.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 08, 2011, 04:39:22 PM
And Gee and Gene Smith to keep their jobs.
For the moment. Smith will be forced out before long, I think. Gee not so much - he's removed from the action.
UT-Arlington is going to the WAC (or at least they've been invited). They need two more football schools to make it 9/12. If they take one more Texas or Louisiana school and one from somewhere up north or on the west coast, they'd have really easily defined divisions. They can call one the Southland Division. :P
Where is Lamar? Houston area? I wonder if they'd go after them just for the location. SHSU is also over there (Huntsville).
Edit: You know...even with all the poaching 1AA schools the WAC is doing, I wonder if they're fucked anyway. I'm...90% sure I've read somewhere that UTSA's ultimate goal is C-USA, and they really would fit in there. Texas State isn't fucking around with the transition either, with their new stadium improvements and all that, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had similar goals. If both of those bolted, what would the WAC do? There don't seem to be all that many out there that are really ready to do it (I don't think SHSU and SFA could, and UTA seems like it's a pretty big reach too).
Quote from: Valmy on July 09, 2011, 11:31:16 PM
Yep. Beaumont.
They'd fit right in then. The WAC would have schools in San Antonio, San Marcos/as close to Austin as they can get, DFW, and Houston/as close to Houston as they can get. Hell, Lamar might even be better than UTA. No one goes to UTA games, or at least they didn't last I heard. Of course, once the UTSA football novelty wears off and they start playing like a brand new football team (losing badly), attendance is going to suck for them as well. 4300 at the spring game.
Vrabel retired and returns to Ohio State as a LB coach. Hopefully, without the Pats taint.
best comment from the Yahoo article:
QuoteFrom: Some stupid cunt
How can anybody like this rough, violent sport? How can any man be capable of TACKLING somebody? How aggressive! My husband and sons would NEVER do that!! They've never been to a football game and neither have I. Plus, it's always associated with alcohol, with the beer commercials! So many guys think they have to drink beer and watch "the big game" to be a man. It drives me nuts. We shouldn't use alcohol, it's a DRUG! Just because it's legal doesn't make it right. But these guys think they HAVE to drink beer to fit in and be social, etc. They're afraid they'll be made fun of if they don't drink booze. It's sad. My husband never drinks alcohol. Neither do I.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 10, 2011, 07:40:12 PM
Vrabel retired and returns to Ohio State as a LB coach. Hopefully, without the Pats taint.
The new coaching staff needs pointers on how to cheat.
Oh wait, no they don't.
Quote from: sbr on July 10, 2011, 07:41:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 10, 2011, 07:40:12 PM
Vrabel retired and returns to Ohio State as a LB coach. Hopefully, without the Pats taint.
The new coaching staff needs pointers on how to cheat.
Oh wait, no they don't.
Pot, meet kettle.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 10, 2011, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: sbr on July 10, 2011, 07:41:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 10, 2011, 07:40:12 PM
Vrabel retired and returns to Ohio State as a LB coach. Hopefully, without the Pats taint.
The new coaching staff needs pointers on how to cheat.
Oh wait, no they don't.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Quote from: sbr on July 10, 2011, 07:48:58 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 10, 2011, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: sbr on July 10, 2011, 07:41:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 10, 2011, 07:40:12 PM
Vrabel retired and returns to Ohio State as a LB coach. Hopefully, without the Pats taint.
The new coaching staff needs pointers on how to cheat.
Oh wait, no they don't.
Pot, meet kettle.
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:lol: :P
So Wyoming won more games than Ohio State last year? Sweet.
Quote from: PDH on July 10, 2011, 08:17:18 PM
So Wyoming won more games than Ohio State last year? Sweet.
Wyoming should go to the WAC in 2012 and dominate the fuck out of everyone. It'll be great.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 10, 2011, 07:40:12 PM
Vrabel retired and returns to Ohio State as a LB coach. Hopefully, without the Pats taint.
For someone so smart, you are so naive sometimes.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 10, 2011, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: PDH on July 10, 2011, 08:17:18 PM
So Wyoming won more games than Ohio State last year? Sweet.
Wyoming should go to the WAC in 2012 and dominate the fuck out of everyone. It'll be great.
Oh the real WAC, back in the olden days...sigh...
Georgia Tech was just stripped of their '09 ACC title.
Is it just me or has their been a much larger number of infractions punished by the NCAA in the last couple of years then normal?
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AukWS05mUdquTa6TGcvUDiI5nYcB?slug=ap-gatech-ncaa
Retarded rules are retarded. Making money is more important then losing titles a couple of years down the road.
Quote from: jimmy olsen link
Is it just me or has their been a much larger number of infractions punished by the NCAA in the last couple of years then normal?
I'd say it's just you.
Seriously, I think it just seems like there are more schools getting punished than normal because of the nature of the punishments given out. The NCAA has gotten real big into vacating victories, which gets attention but is ultimately meaningless. Scholarship reductions and the like are much more significant penalties, but losing 1 or 2 scholarships a year or being allowed 10 less recruiting vistis a year doesn't get the same attention.
LSU got dinged a little:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/ncaa/NCAA/Media%20and%20Events/Press%20Room/Embargoed/20110719%20LSU%20COI%20RLS?id=4397198047a5aba6935bd7071e1ceb2b&WCM_Page.ResetAll=TRUE&CACHE=NONE&CONTENTCACHE=NONE&CONNECTORCACHE=NONE&SRV=Page
Nike goes off on Wyoming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGukx7AlRE4
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 20, 2011, 06:46:03 PM
Nike goes off on Wyoming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGukx7AlRE4
The tactical black look cool as shit.
If you're going to have that many uniforms, might as well not be Oregon and fuck them all up.
QuoteThe NCAA will not hit Ohio State University with its harshest findings of "failure to monitor" or lack of institutional control over the memorabilia scandal that cost head football coach Jim Tressel his job, says a summary of the case released Friday.
"Considering the institution's rules education and monitoring efforts, the enforcement staff did not believe a failure to monitor charge was appropriate in this case," the NCAA said in the report that was made public by the school.
Escaping the harsher charges, which could have meant the loss of scholarships and other penalties that affect future seasons, may make it easier for Ohio State to recruit a new head coach should it not choose to stick with interim pick Luke Fickell. The school's self-imposed punishment wipes out its 2010 season.
The university has compiled documents related to the case, including the report and the terms of Tressel's retirement, here. The university said the NCAA's summary "is consistent with the university's position as to the facts in the case."
The report stuck to the basic allegations: That a group of players were unjustly enriched by trading team awards and memorabilia for tattoos and other failures, and that Tressel failed to report the violations when he became aware of them. As a result, he knowingly fielded inel ..
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 22, 2011, 04:13:44 PM
QuoteThe NCAA will not hit Ohio State University with its harshest findings of "failure to monitor" or lack of institutional control over the memorabilia scandal that cost head football coach Jim Tressel his job, says a summary of the case released Friday...
Apparently, all the loaner cars are okay with the NCAA. OSU dodged a bullet there.
The loaner cars are BS. Yeah, my car's been in the shop for six months. But I got this awesome Charger as a loaner...
Holy crap, I timmay'ed that quote. APPAALLING
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 14, 2011, 08:13:48 PM
Georgia Tech was just stripped of their '09 ACC title.
:nelson:
Whoa. I need to get off my ass and get some tickets to UTSA's first game. Some sections have already sold out or something, and others only have single seats available (this includes all of the lower level non-endzone sections, and a lot of the second level non-endzone as well....fuuuuuckkk). The damn things only went on sale last week. I figured I had some time. <_<
http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0C0046EC8AC77DA3?artistid=1618459&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=8
The student section seems very large on that little diagram.
Edit: Oh. Jerseys, according to the bookstore:
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I don't know if these are the real ones, but these particular jerseys are....remarkably inoffensive. :hmm: They almost seem too plain. Not quite practice jerseys, but close. Eh. For comparison, the only other ones I've seen aside from the practice jerseys:
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Piping and shit everywhere. Anyway, this actually has the Adidas logo and is supposedly in a locker, so....
:)
QuoteBoise State Forbidden From Wearing All Blue Everything On All Blue Field
The Boise State football program, which will play its first season as a Mountain West Conference team this year, will not be permitted to wear its electric blue uniforms at home on its electric blue field in league games. The agreement presumably satisfies the "those things are annoying as shit" clause in the school's new MWC contract. It's not quite a universally-shared opinion, however:
President Bob Kustra and athletic director Gene Bleymaier signed off on the agreement. But coach Chris Petersen was less than thrilled with the arrangement when asked about it at Mountain West media day Tuesday.
"I thought it was ridiculous," Petersen said. "... That's our colors. That's who we are. That's who our fans have wanted us to be since I've been at Boise State. That's what it's been through and through."
If the uniforms have actually translated into a competitive advantage over the years, we'll find out this season, when the Broncos will wear their electric orange uniforms at home, which is somehow considered a negotiation. Since 2000, they're 69-2 at Bronco Stadium, and they never lost a conference game at home in their former league, the Western Athletic Conference. If it makes a difference, we'll know early on — but we still fail to see how their assumed advantage is really any different from a green uniform on a grass or regular turf field.
The Mountain West Sheriff is in town, Boise.
Take that.
Good. Fuck them.
Be better if they simply mandated a green turf.
Butch Davis has been shitcanned at UNC.
http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/30920012
Quote"To restore confidence in the University of North Carolina and our football program, it's time to make a change," said Thorp. "What started as a purely athletic issue has begun to chip away at this University's reputation. I have been deliberate in my approach to understanding this situation fully, and I have worked to be fair to everyone involved. However, I have lost confidence in our ability to come through this without harming the way people think of this institution. Our academic integrity is paramount and we must work diligently to protect it. The only way to move forward and put this behind us is to make a change."
Seems...a little late in the offseason...
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 27, 2011, 05:41:31 PM
Butch Davis has been shitcanned at UNC.
http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/30920012
Quote"To restore confidence in the University of North Carolina and our football program, it's time to make a change," said Thorp. "What started as a purely athletic issue has begun to chip away at this University's reputation. I have been deliberate in my approach to understanding this situation fully, and I have worked to be fair to everyone involved. However, I have lost confidence in our ability to come through this without harming the way people think of this institution. Our academic integrity is paramount and we must work diligently to protect it. The only way to move forward and put this behind us is to make a change."
Seems...a little late in the offseason...
Yeah. It's not like the Tressel situation, where right before he "resigned" it seemed like there was a new revelation coming every day. There hasn't been anything new come to light at UNC in months, so if they wanted to fire him, they could-and should--have done it much sooner. Apparantly, UNC has some new people on the board of trustees, so I guess they were the ones behind this. But if that's the case, they moved quick, because they were just install this morning.
The Humanitarian Bowl has been renamed. It will now be known as the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl.
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It has sour cream and chives, looks like. :lol: I can dig it.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/idaho-potato-commission-becomes-title-sponsor-of-famous-idaho-potato-bowl-126718198.html
UTSA has sold more than 38,000 tickets so far for their first game. With three weeks to go, they've revised their estimates and are looking at around ~50,000 at kickoff (they obviously want to sell the dome out, but that's 65,000 soooo). More than 9,600 of those are season tickets, with the 10,000 number expected to be hit on Wednesday. Apparently, when compared to the WAC, which they're not even in yet, these numbers are strong. For example, Louisiana Tech set a record for season ticket sales this year with ~6,600 so far. The record for first game attendance, which seems to have been set by USF, is ~49,000.
They've also made a little deal with Clear Channel to have all 10 of their games this season on some FM station I've never heard of (also live internet streaming), so that's nice I guess.
I thought USF was in the Big East. :unsure:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 12, 2011, 10:41:20 AM
I thought USF was in the Big East. :unsure:
They are I think he means UCF.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 12, 2011, 10:41:20 AM
I thought USF was in the Big East. :unsure:
:unsure: They are...
QuoteThey are I think he means UCF.
Nope, USF. The Bulls.
Fake edit: Oh I see what the problem might be. That attendance thing isn't for the WAC or whatever, despite where I put it in the post there. It's just the record for "modern" startups in general. USF started as a 1AA program in 1997. The Knights (UCF) have been around since the 70s.
This whole 'A&M bolting to the SEC maybe' thing has me starting to hope again for Texas to the PAC 12+. We will see.
Texas should join the Mountain West and watch the Okies go apeshit.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 12, 2011, 01:16:21 PM
Texas should join the Mountain West and watch the Okies go apeshit.
Do we dare to dream of making the Texas-Wyoming rivalry permanent?
Texas should join the Sun Belt.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 12, 2011, 01:19:57 PM
Texas should join the Sun Belt.
Then Texas would have nobody to play in OOC games.
Quote from: Valmy on August 12, 2011, 01:08:19 PM
This whole 'A&M bolting to the SEC maybe' thing has me starting to hope again for Texas to the PAC 12+. We will see.
The legislature might ruin it. Then again, if A&M can get away
and it implodes the Big 12, the "Baylor Problem" probably wouldn't exist anymore. I wouldn't have an issue with dragging Tech along with the Horns to the PAC-bignumber, especially considering OSU would probably be accompanying OU and UT would need an in-state buddy for the LHN to morph into the PAC-16 Texas channel, but Baylor needs to piss off to Conference USA or something.
Edit: UTSA and Texas to the PAC. That would be best. I'm certain of it.
Yeah I am hoping Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech to the PAC-Huge.
That is what I wanted last year and still do. If the legislature lets the Ags go well...why would they turn around and force Texas to baby sit Baylor?
I still don't want the Aggies. :blurgh:
What do you mean you "don't want the Aggies"????? Nonsense! Look at everything you'd be missing!
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Quote from: Valmy on August 12, 2011, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 12, 2011, 01:16:21 PM
Texas should join the Mountain West and watch the Okies go apeshit.
Do we dare to dream of making the Texas-Wyoming rivalry permanent?
Green chili every other year!
I don't think college football conferences with more than 12 teams really make sense. In fact, the only reason I can see to have more than 10 teams is that the NCAA says you have to have 12 in order to stage a conference title game, and conferences want to be able to have a title game as a cash cow.
That said, the latest rumors have not only Texas A&M but also Florida State going to the SEC. I think it would be hilarious if it happened, because I don't care much for either the ACC or the Big 12.
I would not want anyone from the "Big-12" in the Pac-12 at this point.
What is in it for the Pac-12 to take on a bunch more teams? We already have the awesome TV deal, why share it with anyone other than Texas, and I am not even sure about them.
I wouldn't mind Texas in the Big 10. Never happen though,
Quote from: Berkut on August 12, 2011, 05:48:06 PM
I would not want anyone from the "Big-12" in the Pac-12 at this point.
What is in it for the Pac-12 to take on a bunch more teams? We already have the awesome TV deal, why share it with anyone other than Texas, and I am not even sure about them.
The awesome TV deal gets even more awesome with Texas and OU (who has to bring OSU, so Tech gets thrown in there to even things out).
I don't think that's going to happen anyway, which is good for Arizona, aside from a bit less $$.
Dodds is kind of talking about saving the Big 12:
Quote from: Deloss Dodds"I think nine's an option," Dodds said. "I think nine are solid. I think 10's a good number. I've always liked 10. In my mind, we'd try to stay at 10. If we had to, we'd go to 12."
But he also said this:
Quote"They've got to do what's best for them," Dodds said of the Aggies. "We're going to look at every option we've got, and we're going to end up in a good place. That's what we do. We're good at that."
As a side note, I'm kind of wondering: If they never play Texas again, what is Texas A&M going to do about their fight song? Or pretty much all of their traditions? I mean, I know right now they're fine with singing about Texas during games against, for example, Kansas, but at least UT is still on the schedule....
Quote from: dps on August 12, 2011, 05:30:04 PM
I think it would be hilarious if it happened, because I don't care much for either the ACC or the Big 12.
Really? What did they every do to you? :huh:
Quote from: Berkut on August 12, 2011, 05:48:06 PM
I would not want anyone from the "Big-12" in the Pac-12 at this point.
What is in it for the Pac-12 to take on a bunch more teams? We already have the awesome TV deal, why share it with anyone other than Texas, and I am not even sure about them.
I think the idea is for the Pac-12 to have regional TV networks right? Well that might be something the 'Longhorn' network might morph into.
But anyway I really wanted that last year it might just be wishful thinking on my part now.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2011, 05:51:24 PM
I wouldn't mind Texas in the Big 10. Never happen though,
Nebraska would veto :P
These days though? Who the hell knows.
Quote from: Valmy on August 12, 2011, 07:57:27 PM
Quote from: dps on August 12, 2011, 05:30:04 PM
I think it would be hilarious if it happened, because I don't care much for either the ACC or the Big 12.
Really? What did they every do to you? :huh:
I don't like the ACC because of the way they raided the Big East a few years ago.
My anti-Big 12 feelings are a lot less strong, because they're a lot less personal. It's just that the way the conference seems to be "rigged" in favor of Texas rubs me the wrong way.
Quote from: dps on August 12, 2011, 09:05:10 PM
It's just that the way the conference seems to be "rigged" in favor of Texas rubs me the wrong way.
Seems like Nebraska had a much easier path to the conference championship game.
Quote from: dps on August 12, 2011, 09:05:10 PM
It's just that the way the conference seems to be "rigged" in favor of Texas rubs me the wrong way.
Why does it seem to be that way?
Edit: That's a serious question, I'm not making fun of you or anything. I want to see which PR campaign was the most successful as far as you're concerned, Nebraska's or the current Texas A&M "thing." Texas doesn't run the conference, they have one vote like everyone else, nor do they crush everyone on the football field and basketball court. They
do promote and sell their brand a whole helluva lot better than most though.
Nebraska fans, not necessarily anyone in the administration, did a really good job of painting their university as the victim of some terrible injustice, despite the fact that when the conference was formed, one of the few things they
didn't get in their favor was the elimination of partial qualifiers (they were also pretty butthurt about the conference HQ being moved to DFW from KC for whatever reason). They were one of the major benefactors and were one of the voters in favor of the unequal revenue model. Their $$'s and prestige in the conference dropped way off because their football program went completely into the shitter (to be fair, this was very possibly linked to the lack of partial qualifiers). They were also pursuing the idea of their own network, but shelved the idea because they didn't think it would work. They were all for unequal revenue when they joined the Big 12 because when they joined, they were supposed to be one of the bigtime programs that was at the top of the money list and one of the teams who were supposed to make the North division not suck (Texas, OU, and TAMU were the heavies in the South, of course, along with Colorado in the North, who had won an NC 6 years earlier).
Texas A&M was much the same way, although I don't think they were in favor of partial qualifiers. They actually turned down being a 50/50 partner on what would have been known as the Lonestar Network, or something similar, because they didn't think it would be successful, would cost too much money, etc. They have never been in favor of equal revenue, and after Nebraska and Colorado left, were one of the three schools (Texas, OU, TAMU) to get the "big" money, while the remainder got less. They were also the only one of the three to accept the smaller schools' share of the Nebraska and Colorado exit fees. The Longhorn Network and a lot of the things ESPN wanted to do with it, like high school games and conference games, etc, have been pretty well known since the contract was first being negotiated. They just didn't think it would be successful at all. You can actually read one of the monthly articles from their AD where he says things like "if you think about it, a TV network for a single school doesn't make sense," or something of that nature. Recent radio interviews also seem to confirm that they had simply decided that it wasn't going to work, and were stunned when it did and suddenly didn't like what they had previously agreed to.
I know for a fact that the possible inclusion of high school games was known to them, because
I knew about it, not that it matters since the Big 12 voted against it, DeLoss Dodds said they would never show it if it meant the conference would be okay, and the NCAA ruled against it. So no high school games. The conference game....well...I don't know why that's a problem in the first place. Why should Texas A&M be worried about, for example, Texas and Texas Tech agreeing to show their football game on a different channel with Tech being paid millions for it? Or, something that I've read somewhere might happen, but I'm not sure if it was for real, if some Big 12 games that otherwise wouldn't be televised (think Baylor - Iowa State or something) being shown on the LHN? They're just excuses. It's a TV network for tier 3 stuff that otherwise generally won't be on TV at all.
Both of them left/are leaving for the money, not because Texas was somehow pushing
Nebraska and Texas A&M around. That's all there is to it (well that and TAMU's huge little brother complex), and there's nothing wrong with that. They have to do what's best for their schools, although I kind of question the Aggie move, since....well....if they can't get past Texas and Oklahoma, what are they going to do against Alabama, LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas, who's rivalry with them is surprisingly lopsided. They're something like .400 against the SEC West. Sure, there's more money but if you're constantly getting skull fucked in the one sport you really care about.....I dunno....
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Now for some way less hurf durfy stuff. Check this out:
Texas v. Washington State, 1954:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCPgu0_lfMI
Orange helmets. :x
So, MbM your basic argument is that yes, Texas is a thief and scoundrel, but Nebraska should not be bitching about it because they are just wanna-be thieves and scoundrels?
And why would any of that matter to dps? He said it rubs HIM the wrong way, not that it rubbed Nebraska or A&M the wrong way, right?
It is not a "PR program", it is a fact. Texas gets the lions share of the revenue in the Big-12, and the other schools are there to support them. Just because some of the other schools hoped to fuck over yet other schools as part of that deal doesn't make it any better to those watching from the outside - it makes it worse.
Quote from: Berkut on August 12, 2011, 11:26:00 PM
So, MbM your basic argument is that yes, Texas is a thief and scoundrel, but Nebraska should not be bitching about it because they are just wanna-be thieves and scoundrels?
No, no one is a thief or scoundrel. Where would you get that idea?
QuoteAnd why would any of that matter to dps? He said it rubs HIM the wrong way, not that it rubbed Nebraska or A&M the wrong way, right?
I'm curious where the idea even came from in the first place.
QuoteIt is not a "PR program", it is a fact. Texas gets the lions share of the revenue in the Big-12, and the other schools are there to support them. Just because some of the other schools hoped to fuck over yet other schools as part of that deal doesn't make it any better to those watching from the outside - it makes it worse.
No, they really don't, or didn't, and that's another thing that's interesting to read, because it's something that
really started getting thrown around when Nebraska left. It's one of those things that got repeated over and over again until it became a "fact," as you say. It's like Oklahoma and TAMU don't exist or something. Yeah, that would probably be pretty nice, but they do.
Anyhow, the revenue in the Big 12 was set up generally like this: Half was split equally. The other half was spread out based on the number of TV appearances (football and basketball), so the more the team is on TV, the bigger the chunk of cash from that other half they make. OU and Texas tend to make most out of that because they're on TV the most (especially Texas with the basketball team not sucking anymore). They don't get all of it though, and the other Big 12 teams that otherwise get almost no airtime benefit from playing OU and Texas. The extra money Texas makes is from donations and trademarked "brand" stuff, tickets, and now the LHN. If Texas had tanked like Nebraska, they, like Nebraska, wouldn't have been on TV as much, and so they wouldn't have gotten as much money from the second pile. They would still have gotten their "brand" money though (although probably not quite so much), so it wouldn't have hurt them as much, I wouldn't think. Instead, Texas went on this decade long ten win tear and won a national championship and all that, so that now, even the Louisiana Lafayette "game" is on TV many years.
There wasn't a "Texas" clause, where the Longhorns get X amount or percent or whatever, and the rest is somehow divided up. There kind of is now though, I think, although it's a "Texas, Oklahoma, and Texas A&M" clause, where they make more $$ than the other seven schools (although that went along with the other schools making more coin than they were previously). I don't really know a whole lot about the new deal, which seems to be fine, since it appears it isn't going to be around much longer. :P
http://b2.caspio.com/dp.asp?appSession=070232122937834&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPIsortType=desc&CPIorderby=College
I think that's 08 - 09. Sort by whatever you want. A pretty cool/surprising one is "contributions and donations." T. Boone Pickens has put Oklahoma State at the top of that list by a fair amount. Private schools, of course, don't have their numbers on there, and Navy is oddly missing. You would probably be most interested in "NCAA and Conferences." Check out Kansas (it's because of their basketball program, which is a damn goldmine for that school). There's also a link to expenses that is fairly interesting. I wonder what UT spends $16,000,000+ under "gameday" on.
You can get to individual colleges/universities from here: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=4722523
Here's another link with some different numbers. It's 07-08, source is the Omaha World-Herald: http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/2094/how-the-big-12-teams-rank-in-revenue-sharing-funds
In this one, Texas makes the most in the conference, as far as conference revenue goes, by ~$400,000, with a difference of ~$3.1 million between (1)Texas and (12)Baylor. lol EVIL TEXASS LONGWHORNS!
Nebraska, Colorado, and now possibly TAMU left for more money, not because Texas is this evil, controlling force that dominates the Big 12 and forces everyone to do their bidding. Nebraska and TAMU fans, and in some cases, administration types, felt the need to try to get public opinion on their side and used Texas and their massive budgets as a kind of scapegoat. Colorado bailed because a) a shitload of $$, b) the PAC is a really good fit for them, and c) they didn't want the Texas legislature to somehow force Baylor into what should be their spot. No need for terrible burnt orange boogeymen with them. It was more of a stoned "Duuuude we're leaving," and everyone was pretty much cool with that. Except probably Baylor.
Jesus christ I just stubbed my little toe and tore half the nail off. That fucking hurts.
Quote from: dps on August 12, 2011, 09:05:10 PMIt's just that the way the conference seems to be "rigged" in favor of Texas rubs me the wrong way.
After two decades of watching the conference fingerbanging Nebraska and Oklahoma year after year, it's refreshing. No less annoying, but a little more refreshing.
Quote from: Berkut on August 12, 2011, 11:26:00 PM
So, MbM your basic argument is that yes, Texas is a thief and scoundrel, but Nebraska should not be bitching about it because they are just wanna-be thieves and scoundrels?
You have any facts to back that one up? What did Texas steal if they are thieves? Nothing? Oh right...
QuoteAnd why would any of that matter to dps? He said it rubs HIM the wrong way, not that it rubbed Nebraska or A&M the wrong way, right?
It is not a "PR program", it is a fact. Texas gets the lions share of the revenue in the Big-12, and the other schools are there to support them. Just because some of the other schools hoped to fuck over yet other schools as part of that deal doesn't make it any better to those watching from the outside - it makes it worse.
Yeah Texas got 10.3 million out of 103 million. It was a slightly larger share but hardly a giant majority or "the lion's share". In any case I have always been against that and it really makes no sense given the TV revenues have been so small given to the horrible TV contracts the Big 12 traditionally has signed.
Really from a Texas point of view it makes no sense. Sure they get a few more million dollars but it would be 8.5 million if it was split evenly like I would like. I mean why not foster some good will? However the idea that somehow Texas needs this 1.8 million so desperately (out of...143 million dollars in revenue) so much they created this giant machiavellian scheme where they screw over everybody else just strikes me as beyond ridiculous. Texas doesn't need to do that they made their money via merchandising and ticket sales and alumni donations not the conference.
How exactly are they screwing over everybody? I mean besides the 10.3 million instead of getting 8.5 million which, granted, sucks but is hardly some sort of nazi-esque scheme of evil like you are spinning. What "facts" are you looking at?
And I am pretty sure A&M and Nebraska are leaving for reasons that have to do with their own best interests. For one the Big 10 and SEC have far superior leadership with far superior resulting TV contracts and so forth. A&M, in particular, needs something to give them a recruiting edge against Texas and Oklahoma and they think this could put them over the top.
Quote from: dps on August 12, 2011, 09:05:10 PM
I don't like the ACC because of the way they raided the Big East a few years ago.
My anti-Big 12 feelings are a lot less strong, because they're a lot less personal. It's just that the way the conference seems to be "rigged" in favor of Texas rubs me the wrong way.
Yeah the TV contracts are slanted towards the more popular schools but more to the point the league management is horrible. The TV revenue split does suck yeah. But "rigging" suggests something alot stronger. But anyway the way things are going right now there might not be a league for too long. Fuck Texas should have just gone to the PAC 16. Epic fail.
Texas should have gone to the PAC-whatever, then the MWC would still have several more good teams...
I blame Texas for that.
QuoteThe Big Ten Conference will pay each of its members a record $22.6 million this year. The increase is due in part to increased revenue from the Big Ten Network.
These payouts do not include Nebraska, which did not join the league until July 1. Nebraska will not receive a full share until 2017, according to an NU official.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the conference's TV network paid its schools $7.9 million each. According to information from the University of Illinois, that's up 21 percent from last year's $6.5 million.
The Big Ten distributes money to its members equally based on a revenue sharing system.
That is how you divide the money. Although it galls me to see Indiana get that much. Fucking Hoosiers.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:38:46 PM
QuoteThe Big Ten Conference will pay each of its members a record $22.6 million this year. The increase is due in part to increased revenue from the Big Ten Network.
These payouts do not include Nebraska, which did not join the league until July 1. Nebraska will not receive a full share until 2017, according to an NU official.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the conference's TV network paid its schools $7.9 million each. According to information from the University of Illinois, that's up 21 percent from last year's $6.5 million.
The Big Ten distributes money to its members equally based on a revenue sharing system.
That is how you divide the money. Although it galls me to see Indiana get that much. Fucking Hoosiers.
I dare you to say that out loud. :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:39:49 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:38:46 PM
QuoteThe Big Ten Conference will pay each of its members a record $22.6 million this year. The increase is due in part to increased revenue from the Big Ten Network.
These payouts do not include Nebraska, which did not join the league until July 1. Nebraska will not receive a full share until 2017, according to an NU official.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the conference's TV network paid its schools $7.9 million each. According to information from the University of Illinois, that's up 21 percent from last year's $6.5 million.
The Big Ten distributes money to its members equally based on a revenue sharing system.
That is how you divide the money. Although it galls me to see Indiana get that much. Fucking Hoosiers.
I dare you to say that out loud. :contract:
I HATE INDIANA FOOTBALL. there.
OMG! THEY ARE RUNNING THE PISTOL! QB sacked -10 yards.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:45:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:39:49 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:38:46 PM
QuoteThe Big Ten Conference will pay each of its members a record $22.6 million this year. The increase is due in part to increased revenue from the Big Ten Network.
These payouts do not include Nebraska, which did not join the league until July 1. Nebraska will not receive a full share until 2017, according to an NU official.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the conference's TV network paid its schools $7.9 million each. According to information from the University of Illinois, that's up 21 percent from last year's $6.5 million.
The Big Ten distributes money to its members equally based on a revenue sharing system.
That is how you divide the money. Although it galls me to see Indiana get that much. Fucking Hoosiers.
I dare you to say that out loud. :contract:
I HATE INDIANA FOOTBALL. there.
OMG! THEY ARE RUNNING THE PISTOL! QB sacked -10 yards.
Not type it out loud. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:48:47 PM
Not type it out loud. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Sigh, you people are getting on my nerves this evening.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:48:47 PM
Not type it out loud. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Sigh, you people are getting on my nerves this evening.
:rolleyes:
I'm only one person.
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:55:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:48:47 PM
Not type it out loud. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Sigh, you people are getting on my nerves this evening.
:rolleyes:
I'm only one person.
There is Beeb, good guy lawyer
and Beeb, Winnipeg Jets prick
When you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way, from your first cigarette to your last dying day. :homestar:
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:55:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:48:47 PM
Not type it out loud. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Sigh, you people are getting on my nerves this evening.
:rolleyes:
I'm only one person.
There is Beeb, good guy lawyer
and Beeb, Winnipeg Jets prick
Don't you dare say ill about the Winnipeg Jets. :mad:
Yet again - I'd think you guys would cut someone some slack when THEIR FAVOURITE SPORTS TEAM IN THE WORLD comes back from the dead...
...and has an awesome new logo to boot.
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 07:07:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:55:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:48:47 PM
Not type it out loud. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Sigh, you people are getting on my nerves this evening.
:rolleyes:
I'm only one person.
There is Beeb, good guy lawyer
and Beeb, Winnipeg Jets prick
Don't you dare say ill about the Winnipeg Jets. :mad:
Yet again - I'd think you guys would cut someone some slack when THEIR FAVOURITE SPORTS TEAM IN THE WORLD comes back from the dead...
...and has an awesome new logo to boot.
I did give you some slack. Then you drove it into the ground.
But I forgive you. THIS TIME.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 14, 2011, 06:48:47 PM
Not type it out loud. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Sigh, you people are getting on my nerves this evening.
You've got a lot of nerve, you filthy OSU sweater vest-wearing Tresselnigger. And, on top of that, you root for the Bengals and that overrated IHL team in Columbus. You're a hat trick of sportsfail.
The only winning team in your life is your sperm.
Still holding out hope for the destruction of the Big 12, since the statement from the SEC wasn't exactly "strongly worded" or anything:
QuoteThe SEC Presidents and Chancellors met today and reaffirmed our satisfaction with the present 12 institutional alignment. We recognize, however, that future conditions may make it advantageous to expand the number of institutions in the league. We discussed criteria and process associated with expansion. No action was taken with respect to any institution including Texas A&M.
Quit stalling and take them!
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NOOOOOO
Quote from: PDH on August 14, 2011, 06:33:19 PM
Texas should have gone to the PAC-whatever, then the MWC would still have several more good teams...
I blame Texas for that.
Blame the TV networks. Texas was leaving because they couldn't imagine anybody would put up more money for a conference lacking Nebraska than one that had Nebraska. Then the TV networks showed up with dump trucks full of cash and proved them wrong.
Quote from: Valmy on August 16, 2011, 12:40:32 PM
Blame the TV networks. Texas was leaving because they couldn't imagine anybody would put up more money for a conference lacking Nebraska than one that had Nebraska. Then the TV networks showed up with dump trucks full of cash and proved them wrong.
In that case Wyoming has to be the Big Number replacement team in the place of tamu.
Quote from: PDH on August 16, 2011, 12:47:36 PM
In that case Wyoming has to be the Big Number replacement team in the place of tamu.
I do have this fantasy about expanding West. The Mountain states are growing rapidly I think the future for college athletics is bright out there. I mean look at Boise State for godsake.
But more likely the Not-so-Big number will just stay with 10 or 9 or whatever because that is the sort of inspirational leadership the conference usually provides.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 06:38:46 PM
QuoteThe Big Ten Conference will pay each of its members a record $22.6 million this year. The increase is due in part to increased revenue from the Big Ten Network.
These payouts do not include Nebraska, which did not join the league until July 1. Nebraska will not receive a full share until 2017, according to an NU official.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the conference's TV network paid its schools $7.9 million each. According to information from the University of Illinois, that's up 21 percent from last year's $6.5 million.
The Big Ten distributes money to its members equally based on a revenue sharing system.
That is how you divide the money. Although it galls me to see Indiana get that much. Fucking Hoosiers.
To be fair not even the Big 10 did that until 2009. The way the Big 12 does it used to be the norm. I hope they will adjust with the times.
The old contract was 57% was split evenly and the rest spread out based on TV appearances. The new deal is 76% split evenly and the rest spread out based on TV appearances. With the Aggies leaving I can hope they will just go 100% split evenly going forward.
Quote from: Valmy on August 16, 2011, 02:05:47 PM
To be fair not even the Big 10 did that until 2009.
The Big Ten has traditionally always distributed bowl and TV revenue (less bowl costs for the teams involved) evenly. If they didn't in 2008, for some reason, I'd like to read about it. Got a link?
Lol, Miami should get the death penalty for this.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/16/report-coaches-millions-of-dollars-part-of-miami-allegations/related/
QuoteReport: Coaches, 'millions of dollars' part of Miami allegations
Posted by John Taylor on August 16, 2011, 7:42 PM EDT
Forget the Ohio State mess, the North Carolina debacle, or the USC imbroglio; that's penny-ante stuff compared to what's being alleged occurred between 2001 and 2009 in a program-shaking new piece published by the Yahoo! investigative pitbull Charles Robinson.
Following an 11-month investigation by Robinson, it's being reported that former Miami booster Nevin Shapiro — you know, this guy — is alleging "he provided thousands of impermissible benefits to at least 72 athletes" during an eight-year-period beginning in 2001. In the latest report, it's claimed Shapiro spent what he estimated as "millions of dollars", with the benefits ranging from "cash, prostitutes, entertainment in [Shapiro's] multimillion-dollar homes and yacht, paid trips to high-end restaurants and nightclubs, jewelry, bounties for on-field play (including bounties for injuring opposing players), travel and on one occasion, an abortion."
Unbelievably, those aren't even the most damning accusations uncovered by Robinson through 100 hours of jailhouse interviews with Shapiro, a convicted felon. Shapiro alleges that at least three football coaches — Clint Hurtt, Jeff Stoutland and Aubrey Hill — as well as three members of the football support staff had direct knowledge or participated in the violating of NCAA rules. Additionally, Yahoo! is reporting independent of Shapiro that former football assistant Joe Pannunzio was also involved; Shapiro refused to discuss his relationship with Pannunzio.
It should be noted that none of the coaches mentioned in the article are on first-year head coach Al Golden's staff; Stoutland and Pannunzio are assistants under Nick Saban at Alabama, Hill is a member of Will Muschamp's new Florida staff and Hurtt's at Louisville on former UF defensive coordinator Charlie Strong's Cardinals staff.
Among the allegations Shapiro makes involving former members of the coaching staff includes:
* Hurtt, Hill, Stoutland and Pannunzio delivered football recruits to Shapiro's multi-million dollar home, allowing the booster to make recruiting pitches to the prospective players.
* Shapiro stated that he took high school recruits on his yacht as well as to strip clubs at the behest of the coaches, paying for services rendered at the latter establishment.
* Coaches took part in strip club visits with Shapiro and Hurricane football players.
In addition to the allegations involving coaches playing active roles in major violations, Shapiro was also the co-owner of Axcess Sports & Entertainment, a sports representation agency. Shapiro claims the agency — Shapiro's partner was Michael Huyghue, currently the commissioner of the UFL — funneled money to former Miami players Vince Wilfork and Jon Beason, as well as dozens of other unnamed players. Wilfork, Shapiro claimed, was paid a lump sum of $50,000 while he was a Miami player as an inducement to sign with Axcess; Wilfork ultimately signed with the agency before becoming a first-round pick in the NFL draft.
Just as damaging as the above claims are to the program is the fact that Shapiro alleges a dozen unnamed, current members of the football roster were the alleged beneficiaries of Shapiro's financial benevolence, which ended in April of 2009 after he was arrested for defrauding dozens of individuals out of over $80 million in a Ponzi scheme. Shapiro claims he was just grabbing the financial assistance baton from Luther Campbell, the rapper who was a big-time booster of the university before the school distanced themselves from him.
"Here's the thing: Luther Campbell was the first uncle who took care of players before I got going," Shapiro told Yahoo!. "His role was diminished by the NCAA and the school, and someone needed to pick up that mantle. That someone was me. He was 'Uncle Luke', and I became 'Little Luke.'
"I became a booster in late 2001, and by early 2002, I was giving kids gifts. From the start, I wasn't really challenged. And once I got going, it just got bigger and bigger. I just did what I wanted and didn't pay much mind toward the potential repercussions."
Shapiro was also asked why he did what he did, when he knew what he was doing could potentially place a football program he claimed to love dearly squarely in the NCAA crosshairs and in line for what could be significant sanctions.
"I did it because I could," he said. "And because nobody stepped in to stop me."
Among the things Shapiro claimed he did because he could included:
* Putting up bounties of $5,000 for any Hurricane who could knock players like former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow out of games.
* 39 Hurricane football players were on the receiving end of prostitutes paid for by Shapiro. Shapiro initially set the players up in hotel rooms before moving the "encounters" to his yacht.
* Provided plane tickets, jewelry, electronics and clothing to myriad players.
* Allow players to take his $1.6 million yacht out on fishing trips and other excursions. The boat was fully stocked with food and alcohol for the players. Shapiro claimed it cost $2,000 to fill the boat up with fuel for the trips.
* Paid for a stripper to have an abortion after she claimed an unnamed player had gotten her pregnant during an encounter.
There are myriad other claims, accusations and allegations made by Shapiro, but they are too lengthy to mention. Thus, we'd strongly, strongly urge you to click HERE to read the entire expose because it is truly riveting stuff that would likely make SMU of the eighties blush.
Robinson utilized a laundry list of sources and financial documentation — some of which Shapiro has already turned over to the NCAA — to corroborate Shapiro's claims, which the Yahoo! reporter laid out in great detail.
In an effort to substantiate the booster's claims, Yahoo! Sports audited approximately 20,000 pages of financial and business records from his bankruptcy case, more than 5,000 pages of cell phone records, multiple interview summaries tied to his federal Ponzi case, and more than 1,000 photos. Nearly 100 interviews were also conducted with individuals living in six different states. In the process, documents, photos and 21 human sources – including nine former Miami players or recruits, and one former coach – corroborated multiple parts of Shapiro's rule-breaking.
NCAA investigators have been in Miami since Monday digging for answers to questions Shapiro's claims have raised. It's unclear how long The Association will remain on campus.
In light of Robinson's report and Shapiro's accusations, it could be a substantial period of time.
QuoteAmong the things Shapiro claimed he did because he could included:
* Putting up bounties of $5,000 for any Hurricane who could knock players like former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow out of games.
* 39 Hurricane football players were on the receiving end of prostitutes paid for by Shapiro. Shapiro initially set the players up in hotel rooms before moving the "encounters" to his yacht.
* Provided plane tickets, jewelry, electronics and clothing to myriad players.
* Allow players to take his $1.6 million yacht out on fishing trips and other excursions. The boat was fully stocked with food and alcohol for the players. Shapiro claimed it cost $2,000 to fill the boat up with fuel for the trips.
* Paid for a stripper to have an abortion after she claimed an unnamed player had gotten her pregnant during an encounter.
And this is the U of M, right?
Wake me up when it's Miami (OH).
Quote* Paid for a stripper to have an abortion after she claimed an unnamed player had gotten her pregnant during an encounter.
Not sure that one's technically a violation.
QuoteOREGON, Ohio -- Ohio State University's president is back in the good graces of the Little Sisters of the Poor after turning them into a punch line last fall when he mocked other universities who don't play in football's power conferences.
Gordon Gee spent Wednesday touring a home for the elderly operated by the religious order in northwest Ohio, and he pledged to be one of their greatest advocates after putting them into the spotlight.
"As you know, I've made you famous," he told the residents and staff members.
He later stood next to Mother Cecilia Mary Sartorius, the home's administrator, who gave him a hug and whispered that he was forgiven. "Does everyone hear that I'm forgiven?" he shouted. "My day of penance is over."
Gee stepped into a controversy last November when he told The Associated Press that teams like TCU and Boise State don't deserve to play in the Bowl Championship Series title game because they don't play anybody. "We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor," he said.
That comment rankled fans across the country as well as university officials.
Boise State's president, Bob Kustra, responded by calling Gee's comments a great exaggeration, saying it "gets under the skin of all of us who thought university presidents were supposed to be standing for fairness, equity and truth in how we portray our universities."
TCU fans got even following the Horned Frogs' win in the Rose Bowl over Wisconsin of the Big Ten with a message on billboards around Columbus that read, "Congratulations to TCU for their BCS Rose Bowl Victory." It was signed, "Little Sisters of the Poor."
Gee has famously gotten in trouble for his off-hand remarks, most recently during the memorabilia-for-cash and tattoos scandal that cost football coach Jim Tressel his job.
Gee was asked in March whether he'd considered firing Tressel. He responded: "No, are you kidding? Let me just be very clear: I'm just hopeful the coach doesn't dismiss me." Tressel stepped down three months later.
Gee admitted Wednesday that he knew nothing about the Little Sisters or their mission of serving the elderly poor at about 30 homes nationwide. He said his wisecrack turned out to be a good thing because it's helped promote the good work of the sisters.
"This is God's work here," he said, adding that he'd like to see Ohio State students and alumni volunteer at their facilities. He sent a personal check to the Little Sisters of the Poor last fall.
"Out of inadvertent humor can come great deeds," he said.
Gee shook hands with residents in wheelchairs, including those dressed in rival Michigan shirts and hats, and signed autographs for those wearing Ohio State jerseys while touring the home.
His visit was even bigger than bingo day, said activities director Rosanne Kalinowski.
It's difficult to find money to operate the facility that's home to 74 residents, Sister Cecilia said. Most months are run at deficit.
"We're very lowly, humble people," she said. "We take of the poor and try to reach out to get support. This has opened whole new doors for us."
The nuns gave him a bow tie with a Little Sisters logo and accepted his offer to attend a football game this fall.
"Sister Cecilia will dress up as a fullback," he said. "Of course, we'll expect special prayers on the Buckeyes that day."
Yeah, Gee invented the "Little Sisters of the Poor" analogy...
Not.
I find it amusing that people could treat this moron and his statements as anything but stale, silly, and/or misinformed. I know it is only Ohio, but surely they could have gotten someone smarter than Gee when they last went shopping for a president?
Quote from: grumbler on August 18, 2011, 07:11:36 AM
I find it amusing that people could treat this moron and his statements as anything but stale, silly, and/or misinformed.
Who treats them as anything else? Well, anything else besides pompous, self-serving, and unsportsmanlike.
Wait his 'Little Sisters of the Poor' analogy was controversial? Hasn't that been a cliche for decades?
NCAA Dogs?
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Quote from: Brett McMurphyHurricane Warning: Mark Emmert tells USA Today: "I'm not opposed to [NCAA's COI] using [the Death Penalty]."
http://twitter.com/#!/McMurphyCBS (http://twitter.com/#!/McMurphyCBS)
:ph34r:
It's kinda sounding like the NCAA is divided between schools who get caught paying players and schools who get away with it. :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 18, 2011, 04:22:22 PM
It's kinda sounding like the NCAA is divided between schools who get caught paying players and schools who get away with it. :hmm:
Or it is divided between the regular schools and the usual suspects. The Miami story would be compelling if it happened at Texas or Notre dame or Penn State. At Miami? :yawn:
Yeah, but Ohio St and North Carolina also had players cashing in, and there's similar allegations about Cam Newton.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 18, 2011, 07:36:05 PM
Yeah, but Ohio St and North Carolina also had players cashing in, and there's similar allegations about Cam Newton.
OSU being bad? :yawn:
Hey Red McCombs just forked over $1,000,000 to the UTSA football program. That was nice of him.
http://www.kens5.com/news/local/Fired-up-McCombs-gives-1-million-to-upstart-UTSA-football-program-128089083.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Larry Coker is looking old as fuck.
Oh, man....
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QuoteThe uniforms are noteworthy for how many there are. With four jersey colors, four pants colors and two helmets (black and white), the team will have 32 combinations to select from. The jerseys say "Maryland" on the front.
Gone are the days of teams having simply a "home" and an "away" option. The Terps can go heavy on black, red, white or gold, or can mix and match.
"You probably see more mixes than you usually see," said Kevin Plank, founder and CEO of Under Armour, which designed the lightweight uniforms in consultation with Maryland.
Among the distinctive features is a turtle-shell pattern — called "terraprint" — on the white helmets. "Nobody has anything like that," said Walker Jones, Under Armour's director of sports marketing. There is also a brightly colored pattern on the shoulders of some of the jerseys.
Also new: helmets with no lettering and jerseys with no player names. Previous Maryland helmets had "Terps" on the side. "We have a lot going, so we didn't want a busy helmet," Jones said.
The helmets invoke the state with a stripe down the middle depicting the Maryland flag in a reduced, repeating pattern.
Looks like an Oregon Duck on fire.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 23, 2011, 05:15:38 AM
an Oregon Duck on fire.
Well, there's a worthwhile suggestion.
You should have posted the whole set. :D
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Here's the white helmet:
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Damn I thought Maryland's colors were just red and white.
White turtle shell with a Lord Baltimore stripe? What the hell?
At least Nike didn't decide on a paisley pattern for Wyoming's helmets.
I like the shell but the stripe doesn't look right.
I like it. :thumbsup:
I mean - it's ugly as fuck, but it certainly is different...
So sorry for you, Seedy! :(
There have been some good-looking Maryland uniforms in the past (I liked the black-and-white better than Friedgen's red-and-white) but none of these seem close to being good. The third one from the left would do if they abandoned the butterfly wings over the shoulder pads. The one on the far left might even be acceptable if the pants didn't look like a set of diapers.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 23, 2011, 10:45:28 AM
You should have posted the whole set. :D
I was too embarrassed. Figured it could wait till the season started. :blush:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 23, 2011, 10:53:34 AM
I like the shell but the stripe doesn't look right.
It looks less like a turtle shell, and more of something Barney Rubble would wear.
I am so ashamed for the Terpies. It's shit like this (and Oregon) that makes you appreciate the Notre Dames, UCLAs, Michigans, Army/Navy and Penn States even more.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 23, 2011, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 23, 2011, 10:53:34 AM
I like the shell but the stripe doesn't look right.
It looks less like a turtle shell, and more of something Barney Rubble would wear.
I am so ashamed for the Terpies. It's shit like this (and Oregon) that makes you appreciate the Notre Dames, UCLAs, Michigans, Army/Navy and Penn States even more.
Now that you have some sweet new uni's you are only one shitty street agent and $25K away from playing for the big one. :w00t:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 23, 2011, 08:44:19 PM
Notre Dames, UCLAs, Michigans, Army/Navy and Penn States even more.
One of these things is not like the other ones...
UCLA? They make UNC look macho.
Quote from: Valmy on August 23, 2011, 09:09:58 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 23, 2011, 08:44:19 PM
Notre Dames, UCLAs, Michigans, Army/Navy and Penn States even more.
One of these things is not like the other ones...
UCLA? They make UNC look macho.
UCLA was where the jersey shoulder loops started with Red Sanders back in the '50s, and has influenced many a collegiate and pro uniform ever since.
Sorry bro, baby blue and scripted logo aside, they still get props for innovation.
Quote from: grumbler on August 23, 2011, 11:40:21 AM
So sorry for you, Seedy! :(
There have been some good-looking Maryland uniforms in the past (I liked the black-and-white better than Friedgen's red-and-white) but none of these seem close to being good. The third one from the left would do if they abandoned the butterfly wings over the shoulder pads. The one on the far left might even be acceptable if the pants didn't look like a set of diapers.
The white uni, from what I can see of it, isn't too bad, except for the helmet, which is retarded.
Quote from: dps on August 23, 2011, 11:17:26 PM
The white uni, from what I can see of it, isn't too bad, except for the helmet, which is retarded.
No all-white uniform is actually good, but I agree that this all-white uniform isn't worse than any other.
All of these schools are trying to take away from Wyoming's long run in the top ten of "Worst Football Uniforms" lists. It is just another case of the power conferences taking the little guys out of the picture.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6889208/controversial-cy-hawk-trophy-replaced
QuoteJOHNSTON, Iowa -- The new trophy designed for the winner of the annual Iowa-Iowa State gridiron showdown was scrapped Tuesday as organizers acknowledged it had too much to do with corn and not nearly enough to do with football.
:lol:
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I love it when states embrace the stereotypes other states insult them with.
'Hell yeah we have nothing but corn! We are proud of it!'
ESPN had a story on pressure on Mack Brown. Sounds stupid to me. Reminds me of the crap Tressel went through a few years ago.
YUO WON A TITLE, WHY WON'T YOU WIN MORE..NOW. NOW! NOW.
Stupid subhuman fanboys.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 24, 2011, 11:25:33 AM
ESPN had a story on pressure on Mack Brown. Sounds stupid to me. Reminds me of the crap Tressel went through a few years ago.
YUO WON A TITLE, WHY WON'T YOU WIN MORE..NOW. NOW! NOW.
Stupid subhuman fanboys.
They've been like this from day 1, and it won't matter if his teams win three more of the things. They'll still find reasons to hate him and screech about how he needs to be fired. I hate those people.
edit: Well okay three more for a total of four and they
might get off his back. I would imagine Mack would retire after winning the first of those three, so it wouldn't matter anyway.
So Michigan's AD has decided to schedule Appalachian State as the season opener in 2014. After a series of pretty good moves, this one comes as a shocker. While he argues (via twitter) that "the opportunity to play again is a good thing. I don't see how it could be a negative" the only conclusion one can draw is that he lived under a rock in 2007.
Who needs (besides Michigan's recruiting rivals) eight months of re-runs of the vids of ASU blocking the field goal for the win in between the end of the 2013 season and the 2014 kickoff? Michigan doesn't need the revenge game (and if they did, they should have scheduled Toledo instead! :lol:) and cannot gain anything from beating ASU; ASU is Div-1AA, so is going to be a massive underdog no matter what.
Dumb, dumb decision. I hate, hate, hate the fact that Michigan has abandoned its longstanding policy that it won't play Div-1AA schools. They are playing Alabama at a neutral site in 2012; why not make that kind of game the new tradition?
Quote from: grumbler on August 26, 2011, 12:15:58 PM
Dumb, dumb decision. I hate, hate, hate the fact that Michigan has abandoned its longstanding policy that it won't play Div-1AA schools. They are playing Alabama at a neutral site in 2012; why not make that kind of game the new tradition?
The dominance of the SEC is going to force everyone to do their best to take on a SEC-like schedule. We are going to see more of this, not less.
Conference games are for establishing SoS, non-conference is for padding the W column, nothing more.
Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2011, 12:30:44 PM
Quote from: grumbler on August 26, 2011, 12:15:58 PM
Dumb, dumb decision. I hate, hate, hate the fact that Michigan has abandoned its longstanding policy that it won't play Div-1AA schools. They are playing Alabama at a neutral site in 2012; why not make that kind of game the new tradition?
The dominance of the SEC is going to force everyone to do their best to take on a SEC-like schedule. We are going to see more of this, not less.
Conference games are for establishing SoS, non-conference is for padding the W column, nothing more.
It should be possible to get the W without playing Div-1AA schools, no matter what the SEC does. Michigan did play AUS in 2007 and Delaware State in 2009, but that was because 2007 was the first year of the new scheduling process and because Oregon State (IIRC) in 2009 couldn't find a way to make the scheduled game with Michigan work. By February 2009, the Michigan schedule had to be finalized and only DSU would work. This ASU thing in 2014 is deliberate. At least in 2007 they scheduled the very best Div-1AA team they could find, ASU having won the 2005 and 2006 Div-1AA championships (as they would again in 2007). Scheduling this game deliberately in 2014 is bad, dumb, and shameful.
Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2011, 12:30:44 PM
The dominance of the SEC is going to force everyone to do their best to take on a SEC-like schedule. We are going to see more of this, not less.
Conference games are for establishing SoS, non-conference is for padding the W column, nothing more.
The dominance of the SEC means other conferences need to work harder to establish a strong strength of schedule. It should mean more rather than less incentive to schedule strong out of conference opponents.
Unless you're saying that they'll lose the tiebreakers with SEC teams anyway, in which case playing it safe may be the best bet.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 26, 2011, 01:22:43 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2011, 12:30:44 PM
The dominance of the SEC is going to force everyone to do their best to take on a SEC-like schedule. We are going to see more of this, not less.
Conference games are for establishing SoS, non-conference is for padding the W column, nothing more.
The dominance of the SEC means other conferences need to work harder to establish a strong strength of schedule. It should mean more rather than less incentive to schedule strong out of conference opponents.
Unless you're saying that they'll lose the tiebreakers with SEC teams anyway, in which case playing it safe may be the best bet.
No, I am saying that the SEC "dominates" by playing embarssingly horrible OOC games, playing an extra OOC game, and padds their W/L as a result. This gets them "respect" so they get lots of cash and money, rankings, etc., etc. They win the college football meta-game by doing this better than everyone else, and so now everyone else is going to have to step up their meta-game as well.
Playing tough OOC games does not help, it is a foolish move in the college football meta-game. SoS comes from your conference games. It is how very average SEC teams make it to decent bowl games every year. They get 4 wins against Southeast Louisiana School of Agriculture and Law, then go 3-4 in conference, and people talk about how impressive the SEC is that their middle and lower end teams have 7 or 8 wins. And of course the top end teams crush these "decent" low end SEC teams, which makes THEIR SoS look that much better. And then the mid-ow teams share in their huge BCS bowl game payouts.
It is a formula that the SEC has worked to perfection over the last decade or so, and they will continue to dominate the college football meta game until the other conferences follow suit or force a change in how the game is played. The Big-10/Pac-10 has historically tried to keep the meta-game focused on the actual game, and tried to make it about winning good games rather than winning lots of games, but that has largely failed.
Quote from: grumbler on August 26, 2011, 12:15:58 PM
So Michigan's AD has decided to schedule Appalachian State as the season opener in 2014. After a series of pretty good moves, this one comes as a shocker. While he argues (via twitter) that "the opportunity to play again is a good thing. I don't see how it could be a negative" the only conclusion one can draw is that he lived under a rock in 2007.
Who needs (besides Michigan's recruiting rivals) eight months of re-runs of the vids of ASU blocking the field goal for the win in between the end of the 2013 season and the 2014 kickoff? Michigan doesn't need the revenge game (and if they did, they should have scheduled Toledo instead! :lol:) and cannot gain anything from beating ASU; ASU is Div-1AA, so is going to be a massive underdog no matter what.
Dumb, dumb decision. I hate, hate, hate the fact that Michigan has abandoned its longstanding policy that it won't play Div-1AA schools. They are playing Alabama at a neutral site in 2012; why not make that kind of game the new tradition?
Maybe it's just me, but the idea of a Michigan - Appalachian State rematch sounds pretty good actually. I mean - if you're going to schedule a cupcake, why not schedule a cupcake you have some history with.
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2011, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on August 26, 2011, 12:15:58 PM
So Michigan's AD has decided to schedule Appalachian State as the season opener in 2014. After a series of pretty good moves, this one comes as a shocker. While he argues (via twitter) that "the opportunity to play again is a good thing. I don't see how it could be a negative" the only conclusion one can draw is that he lived under a rock in 2007.
Who needs (besides Michigan's recruiting rivals) eight months of re-runs of the vids of ASU blocking the field goal for the win in between the end of the 2013 season and the 2014 kickoff? Michigan doesn't need the revenge game (and if they did, they should have scheduled Toledo instead! :lol:) and cannot gain anything from beating ASU; ASU is Div-1AA, so is going to be a massive underdog no matter what.
Dumb, dumb decision. I hate, hate, hate the fact that Michigan has abandoned its longstanding policy that it won't play Div-1AA schools. They are playing Alabama at a neutral site in 2012; why not make that kind of game the new tradition?
Maybe it's just me, but the idea of a Michigan - Appalachian State rematch sounds pretty good actually. I mean - if you're going to schedule a cupcake, why not schedule a cupcake you have some history with.
I think grumbler is just annoyed they are scheduling a cupcake to begin with...
And of course, it's all the SEC's fault. :mad:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 26, 2011, 02:06:15 PM
And of course, it's all the SEC's fault. :mad:
What is the SEC's fault?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 26, 2011, 02:06:15 PM
And of course, it's all the SEC's fault. :mad:
Nah not the entire SEC's...just Georgia's.
Anyway I feel your pain grumbles. At least this year Texas has only one true creampuff: Rice. BYU and UCLA are welcome changes from the crap the AD usually schedules.
Hey MBM it is another edition of Mack on a Mobile:
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/30255/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/30255/589/richmedia/mack_brown.mp3
:lol:
Quote from: Valmy on August 26, 2011, 03:49:03 PM
Hey MBM it is another edition of Mack on a Mobile:
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/30255/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/30255/589/richmedia/mack_brown.mp3
:lol:
Ahaha The Greg Davis sideways pass academy
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2011, 01:51:19 PM
Maybe it's just me, but the idea of a Michigan - Appalachian State rematch sounds pretty good actually. I mean - if you're going to schedule a cupcake, why not schedule a cupcake you have some history with.
Because there is no upside to playing Div-1AA teams. There is no "history" of Michigan playing ASU - they've only done that once. Why not play Army, with whom they have an interesting past history: Army is one of two teams they could schedule (Cornell not being willing to play Div 1A teams) that actually has a winning record against Michigan, with more than one game played (Army is 5-4 against the Wolverines), and is roughly the equivalent of a MAC team. Army plays non-series games and has that date open. Why not against Toledo, whom Michigan has played the once and lost to, in 2009? They do the same, and have the date open.
Appalachian State makes no sense at all. Playing Div-1AA teams makes no sense, unless in an emergency.
Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2011, 01:56:29 PM
I think grumbler is just annoyed they are scheduling a cupcake to begin with...
A team that is that much of a cupcake, yes, though I understand how the coaches don't want to start off with too tough an opponent. I personally preferred it when Michigan and Notre dame played the first game of the season against each other. You always knew what the opener was to be, but neither team was fully ready, and only got fully ready as the game went on.
Starting against Alabama next year is that kind of game.
I also want the Big Ten-Pac Ten challenge to be resumed. Both conferences have twelve teams now, and it seems a natural. I know it costs another home game every other year, but it's worth it for the TV rights, I think.
Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2011, 02:23:11 PM
What is the SEC's fault?
Michigan scheduling Appalachian St. I thought it was obvious from the context. :P
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 26, 2011, 04:38:53 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2011, 02:23:11 PM
What is the SEC's fault?
Michigan scheduling Appalachian St. I thought it was obvious from the context. :P
When Dave Brandon brings in a mascot (and I just feel that crapfest coming in my bones) it will be the SEC's fault, as well. :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on August 26, 2011, 04:08:38 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2011, 01:51:19 PM
Maybe it's just me, but the idea of a Michigan - Appalachian State rematch sounds pretty good actually. I mean - if you're going to schedule a cupcake, why not schedule a cupcake you have some history with.
Because there is no upside to playing Div-1AA teams. There is no "history" of Michigan playing ASU - they've only done that once. Why not play Army, with whom they have an interesting past history: Army is one of two teams they could schedule (Cornell not being willing to play Div 1A teams) that actually has a winning record against Michigan, with more than one game played (Army is 5-4 against the Wolverines), and is roughly the equivalent of a MAC team. Army plays non-series games and has that date open. Why not against Toledo, whom Michigan has played the once and lost to, in 2009? They do the same, and have the date open.
I am officiating a scrimmage at Cornell in a couple of weeks...
Not that it has anything to do with much of anything.
Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2011, 05:47:36 PM
I am officiating a scrimmage at Cornell in a couple of weeks...
Not that it has anything to do with much of anything.
Cornell is 12-6 against Michigan. Unlike UNC or Army, Michigan can't overcome the loss deficit in a game. They are the one school that truly had Michigan's number.
Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2011, 02:23:11 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 26, 2011, 02:06:15 PM
And of course, it's all the SEC's fault. :mad:
What is the SEC's fault?
According to you, scheduling OOC games for the W against weak opponents, as opposed to scheduling OOC games for the W against the Big 10 and ruining the BCS computer every week with their uberskillz. :P
I feel your pain grumbles. Washington has scheduled games vs Eastern Washington and Portland St in next few years.
Even fact that EWU is defending Div II-AA champs doesn't make it any better.
Wyoming is playing Weber State this year, but that it is OK because the Pokes stand a fair chance of losing!
Something for the Colin Cowturd herd fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MOcNQxsPyYU
A&M is as good as gone from what I've been reading.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/32272/report-am-expected-to-leave-within-a-week
http://www.chron.com/sports/college-football/article/Big-changes-are-in-store-for-the-Big-12-conference-2145317.php
And it's looking like BYU will replace them.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/45432/3-point-stance-byu-good-fit-for-big-12
Grumbler, are you opposed to 1A teams scheduling games against 1AA teams in general (or at least, opposed to teams in the 6 conferences that get automatic BCS berths doing so) or only opposed to it when it's Michigan that does it?
Quote from: dps on August 29, 2011, 05:17:33 AM
Grumbler, are you opposed to 1A teams scheduling games against 1AA teams in general (or at least, opposed to teams in the 6 conferences that get automatic BCS berths doing so) or only opposed to it when it's Michigan that does it?
Opposed in general (that's why they divided into divisions to begin with, because the competition isn't fair) and when Michigan does it, in particular.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 29, 2011, 04:51:19 AM
A&M is as good as gone from what I've been reading.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/32272/report-am-expected-to-leave-within-a-week
http://www.chron.com/sports/college-football/article/Big-changes-are-in-store-for-the-Big-12-conference-2145317.php
And it's looking like BYU will replace them.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/45432/3-point-stance-byu-good-fit-for-big-12
Yeah don't hold you breath on BYU.
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2011, 07:41:47 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 29, 2011, 04:51:19 AM
A&M is as good as gone from what I've been reading.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/32272/report-am-expected-to-leave-within-a-week
http://www.chron.com/sports/college-football/article/Big-changes-are-in-store-for-the-Big-12-conference-2145317.php
And it's looking like BYU will replace them.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/45432/3-point-stance-byu-good-fit-for-big-12
Yeah don't hold you breath on BYU.
Who then?
Why would anyone want to join the Big-9?
Who ever heard of a rat fighting to get onto the ship?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 29, 2011, 07:53:47 AM
Who then?
We will see if the league expands at all. I do not have alot of confidence in the leadership.
BYU would be nice because not only would it give us a Mountain State school but it woud rebalance the north and south. On the other hand it is BYU :yuck:
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2011, 08:25:25 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 29, 2011, 07:53:47 AM
Who then?
We will see if the league expands at all. I do not have alot of confidence in the leadership.
BYU would be nice because not only would it give us a Mountain State school but it woud rebalance the north and south. On the other hand it is BYU :yuck:
Jim McMahon is not amused.
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 08:18:42 AM
Why would anyone want to join the Big-9?
Who ever heard of a rat fighting to get onto the ship?
Schools who want our overbid TV contract. Schools who the PAC 10 doesn't want and cannot get into another BCS league.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 29, 2011, 08:26:05 AM
Jim McMahon is not amused.
Heh. McMahon would agree with me.
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2011, 08:26:28 AM
Schools who want our overbid TV contract. Schools who the PAC 10 doesn't want and cannot get into another BCS league.
Wyoming!
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2011, 08:25:25 AM
On the other hand it is BYU :yuck:
Hell replacing a&m with BYU is just swapping one cult for another, except the new one has actually had some real success on the football field in living memory. Is their baseball team any good?
The Big-9 could then get access to all that Mormon money.
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 10:04:25 AM
The Big-9 could then get access to all that Mormon money.
You seem to have real trouble with the name of that particular conference.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 29, 2011, 10:14:25 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 10:04:25 AM
The Big-9 could then get access to all that Mormon money.
You seem to have real trouble with the name of that particular conference.
Berkut has decided the Big 12 is all about money and therefore evil. Or something.
But he also hates the SEC so maybe he just doesn't like non-Rose Bowl affiliated leagues and that is fair.
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2011, 10:35:32 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 29, 2011, 10:14:25 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 29, 2011, 10:04:25 AM
The Big-9 could then get access to all that Mormon money.
You seem to have real trouble with the name of that particular conference.
Berkut has decided the Big 12 is all about money and therefore evil. Or something.
But he also hates the SEC so maybe he just doesn't like non-Rose Bowl affiliated leagues and that is fair.
i dont like it
we once had a big ten with twelve teams and a big twelve with ten teams and all seemed right in the world; then comes obama and now we have a big twelve with one team and eight bubbas, ohio state getting ready to join michigan in the cellar of the big ten, and miami on the verge of the death penalty
football wise, i'm ready for a return to the clinton years
Quote from: Rasputin on August 29, 2011, 10:56:41 AM
i dont like it
we once had a big ten with twelve teams and a big twelve with ten teams and all seemed right in the world; then comes obama and now we have a big twelve with one team and eight bubbas, ohio state getting ready to join michigan in the cellar of the big ten, and miami on the verge of the death penalty
football wise, i'm ready for a return to the clinton years
And Florida State was still awesome. It sounds like you have a great team this year though. Beat OU please.
Quote from: Valmy on August 29, 2011, 11:00:39 AM
Quote from: Rasputin on August 29, 2011, 10:56:41 AM
i dont like it
we once had a big ten with twelve teams and a big twelve with ten teams and all seemed right in the world; then comes obama and now we have a big twelve with one team and eight bubbas, ohio state getting ready to join michigan in the cellar of the big ten, and miami on the verge of the death penalty
football wise, i'm ready for a return to the clinton years
And Florida State was still awesome. It sounds like you have a great team this year though. Beat OU please.
okl is the only game about which i worry
first okl is the only team that fsu has played more than once whom fsu has never beaten...its up to 0 and 8 or something along those lines
second okl embarrassed us last year -- it was like a pop warner team taking on a high school team
okl is just as good and while we're better, that's a big gap to fill in a year.
but if we win, wow, what a great way to return to glory!
Quoteohio state getting ready to join michigan in the cellar of the big ten
Rumors of Ohio State's demise may be exaggerated. I predict 7-5. Now go rub some dirt on it and get back in the game, sweethart.
Ah they've finally "leaked" the UTSA football uniforms (they also showed the jerseys on the stupid Birth of a Program TV show on FSN):
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The font seems strange to me, like maybe it needs some sort of outline or something, but whatever. There's a blue...stripe type thing at the bottom of the pants too:
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I think they look just fine. :) No dumbass stripes or random splotches of color anywhere aside from the pants, and I can forgive that given the possible alternatives.
44 here is one of the LBs. He needs to grow some long greasy hair if he wants to be taken seriously.
Those unis look like the Denver Broncos...which is not a bad thing.
I like the font. I didn't when I first saw it, but it has grown on me to the point where it is a positive.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 29, 2011, 11:37:50 AM
Quoteohio state getting ready to join michigan in the cellar of the big ten
Rumors of Ohio State's demise may be exaggerated. I predict 7-5. Now go rub some dirt on it and get back in the game, sweethart.
Given that Indiana is still in the league, that it'll take some time for Jerry Kill to get Minnesota turned around, and we don't really know if Dan Pensa is truly healthy, I don't think that they'll go into the cellar. :lol:
Actually, I'd still expect them to finish no worse than 4th.
And the Big 12 (9) is dead.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/30/sports/ncaafootball/texas-am-closer-to-withdrawing-from-big-12.html
QuoteTexas A&M Closer to Withdrawing From Big 12
By PETE THAMEL
Published: August 29, 2011
Texas A&M's departure from the Big 12 Conference drew closer to reality on Monday when the university's president, R. Bowen Loftin, sent a letter to the Big 12 board chairman, the Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton, notifying the league that the Aggies would formally withdraw — very likely on Tuesday — according to two college officials with direct knowledge of the decision.
This latest step in the Aggies' effort to join the Southeastern Conference appears to have two stumbling blocks. The first is Texas A&M's exit fee from the Big 12, which it has not negotiated. That amount is expected to be close to $15 million. The other is the approval of the S.E.C. presidents. Nine of the 12 would have to vote in favor for Texas A&M to become a member of the conference. It is unlikely that Texas A&M would be this far along in the process without adequate S.E.C. presidential support.
Texas A&M hopes to play in the S.E.C. during the 2012 football season, which would appear to leave the conference with a mathematically clunky 13 teams for one year.
Upgrade!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 30, 2011, 04:47:23 AM
And the Big 12 (9) is dead.
That says "Texas A&M" not "Texas" or "Oklahoma."
Also, what's with this:
QuoteIt is unlikely that Texas A&M would be this far along in the process without adequate S.E.C. presidential support.
If they don't have the "nod and wink" from the SEC, and have gone this far, they're.....well okay, they're Texas A&M.
Edit: :rolleyes: http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15503327/texas-am-denies-sending-letter-of-withdrawal-to-big-12 (http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15503327/texas-am-denies-sending-letter-of-withdrawal-to-big-12)
For fucks sake, get out.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 30, 2011, 04:47:23 AM
And the Big 12 (9) is dead.
Reports of its demise have been greatly exaggerated.
The center shall hold!
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 30, 2011, 11:24:20 AM
For fucks sake, get out.
They are trying to cover their legal bases. Baylor, in particular, wants to sue them revival style.
They took the super special secret oath of Big 12itude last year after all.
If Georgia doesn't beat Boise State, I'm going to have to hear Boise State bullshit all year.
Bulldogs, do your duty.
Quote from: Valmy on August 30, 2011, 11:33:25 AM
They are trying to cover their legal bases.
They're not doing a very good job. They need to learn to keep their collective mouths shut.
QuoteBaylor, in particular, wants to sue them revival style.
Baylor isn't liking the possibility of being in C-USA because Texas A&M is butthurt about tier 3 rights and managed to cut the legislative ties that kept UT, TTU, TAMU, and BU together.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 30, 2011, 11:35:09 AM
If Georgia doesn't beat Boise State, I'm going to have to hear Boise State bullshit all year.
Bulldogs, do your duty.
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I appreciate the well wishes, but after last year I have little faith. :(
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 30, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
They're not doing a very good job. They need to learn to keep their collective mouths shut.
To be fair the PR departments of the Big 12 have all been shit these days. The freaking conference was publicly talking about inviting Notre Dame and Arkansas for fucksake. How stupid can you get get?
Also, i missed this one:
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:lol:
Quote from: Valmy on August 30, 2011, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 30, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
They're not doing a very good job. They need to learn to keep their collective mouths shut.
To be fair the PR departments of the Big 12 have all been shit these days. The freaking conference was publicly talking about inviting Notre Dame and Arkansas for fucksake. How stupid can you get get?
The Notre Dame thing seems to have started because of what Dodds said at.....where was that? some sort of function. I think he was talking about making ND vs. Texas a regular thing on the schedule, not that they'll join the conference, but then lol that shit just blew all up on the internet. I didn't know the retards were officially talking about it though.
I also didn't hear anything about Arkansas. I hope they were just spitballing or something, because fuck the pigs.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 30, 2011, 11:40:50 AM
I appreciate the well wishes, but after last year I have little faith. :(
We're flying Bill from Sinton to Athens to fix the attitude problem Georgia fans have been displaying.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 30, 2011, 11:47:37 AM
The Notre Dame thing seems to have started because of what Dodds said at.....where was that? some sort of function. I think he was talking about making ND vs. Texas a regular thing on the schedule, not that they'll join the conference, but then lol that shit just blew all up on the internet. I didn't know the retards were officially talking about it though.
I also didn't hear anything about Arkansas. I hope they were just spitballing or something, because fuck the pigs.
Well that much is true. Texas and ND are going to start playing every year at some point in the near future. It is part of Texas fulfilling the super special secret oath of Big 12itude where they promised to schedule stronger non-conference opponents. I think the idea is that Texas is going to be put into the week ND used to play Stanford and USC because the new PAC 12 title game interferes with that or something. ND will continue to play USC of course. Not sure about the fighting trees. But this is just me babbling I have nothing but interwebs rumours.
Arkansas came from some Arkansas booster, Jerry Jones it is suspected, asking about Big 12 membership. But frankly it was great to get rid of the Piggies twenty years ago and I have zero desire to take them back even if they wanted to which they do not. They have the SEC secret handshake down and have delusions of Alabamaness.
But I thought the Big 12 released something about BYU, Arkansas, and Notre Dame being on their wishlist or some stupid shit like that but you are right it may just have been interweb rumours. BYU yes the other two make about as much sense as claiming we are going to be inviting the Dallas Cowboys to join.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 30, 2011, 11:52:48 AM
Bill from Sinton to Athens to fix the attitude problem Georgia fans have been displaying.
Bill in Sinton's objective take on the Rice game:
QuoteIt is time to get started. We start a new season with new coaches so as fans we must encourage our team to stay focus and beat Rice. We must be cautious and not take the Owls lightly. Remember they beat us when we were highly ranked in 1958 and cost us an NC with a tie in 1962 and beat us again in the 90s so we must be careful. Remember in 1965 they also beat us in AUSTIN.
So we have our work cut out for us. Those that go to the game must be at their best support and really encourage our Horns and wear orange, be loud, come early and stay late. Even if by chance the game is one sided remember you are not just encouraging the Horns for this game but for the whole season. We must all work to ensure that last year's disaster isn't repeated. Those that can't go to the game watch on tv and if you can't keep up with it here and on the radio. This is a very critical game that we must not take lightly. The season is about to begin. I am going to be flying my UT auto flag in Sinton this week. Everyone work to keep the synergy going. You know what to do. Let's do it!
Go Horns!!
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 30, 2011, 11:46:17 AM
Also, i missed this one:
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:lol:
That looks like
Harakiri but I thought that was in B&W.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 30, 2011, 11:35:09 AM
If Georgia doesn't beat Boise State, I'm going to have to hear Boise State bullshit all year.
Bulldogs, do your duty.
I'm really glad I'm not a Boise State hater, 'cause I would hate to be counting on Georgia for anything. They've been one of the most consistantly over-rated teams of the past 20 years or so.
I'm not saying that I'm rooting for Boise State, or that Georgia won't beat them, just that I'm glad I'm not in a position where I'm depending on the Bulldogs.
They did an admirable job of wrecking the Hawaii hype before it got out of hand a few years ago.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 30, 2011, 03:24:54 PM
They did an admirable job of wrecking the Hawaii hype before it got out of hand a few years ago.
I don't think anybody thought Hawaii was a world beater. Just that if you go unbeaten, and you are whatever the fuck they call Div I-A these days, you should be in a BCS game and have a chance to prove yourself.
Wish I could have seen glimpses of that pass rush capability the following seasons. I guess they must have lost some players. Or it was just an illusion created by Hawaii's weak offensive line.
Quote from: Valmy on August 30, 2011, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 30, 2011, 11:52:48 AM
Bill from Sinton to Athens to fix the attitude problem Georgia fans have been displaying.
Bill in Sinton's objective take on the Rice game:
QuoteIt is time to get started. We start a new season with new coaches so as fans we must encourage our team to stay focus and beat Rice. We must be cautious and not take the Owls lightly. Remember they beat us when we were highly ranked in 1958 and cost us an NC with a tie in 1962 and beat us again in the 90s so we must be careful. Remember in 1965 they also beat us in AUSTIN.
So we have our work cut out for us. Those that go to the game must be at their best support and really encourage our Horns and wear orange, be loud, come early and stay late. Even if by chance the game is one sided remember you are not just encouraging the Horns for this game but for the whole season. We must all work to ensure that last year's disaster isn't repeated. Those that can't go to the game watch on tv and if you can't keep up with it here and on the radio. This is a very critical game that we must not take lightly. The season is about to begin. I am going to be flying my UT auto flag in Sinton this week. Everyone work to keep the synergy going. You know what to do. Let's do it!
Go Horns!!
I missed Bill. :cry:
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 30, 2011, 11:46:17 AM
Also, i missed this one:
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:lol:
One's 2nd shouldn't finish you off if you're screaming like a little bitch, which is what it looks like he's doing.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 30, 2011, 05:22:36 PM
One's 2nd shouldn't finish you off if you're screaming like a little bitch, which is what it looks like he's doing.
:huh: What the fuck do you think the kaishakunin is there for? To add tone to an unseemly mess?
Only fucking Timmy can ruin shit in his special, Aspie way.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 30, 2011, 05:39:58 PM
Only fucking Timmy can ruin shit in his special, Aspie way.
I don't really mind that he does it in the rest of Languish (except the Back Porch, obviously), but I with he'd stay out of the college football thread.
Tim's interpretation is the same as the one found in Shogun for what that's worth. The second was only supposed to give the mercy blow if the suicidee made his cuts in dignified silence.
:nelson: Miami!
8 Players Suspended and 72 Subpoenas issued!
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/30/ncaa-rules-eight-hurricanes-must-sit-at-least-one-game/related/
QuoteAl Golden said earlier this week that he was hoping to hear from the NCAA by Thursday regarding the eligibility of a number of his football players. Golden indeed got his wish, although it's likely not the answer he was hoping for.
The NCAA ruled Wednesday that eight Hurricane football players must sit at least one game this season. The players had been declared ineligible by the school late last week.
The most recognizable name on the list of eight is quarterback Jacory Harris, who is one of five players who will be forced to sit out the opener. The NCAA alleged that Harris received more than $140 in benefits from meals, entertainment, transportation and nightclub cover charges.
The stiffest sanctions were levied on defensive end Olivier Vernon, who will be forced to sit the first six games of the year. The NCAA found that the lineman had received $1,200 in impermissible benefits during his recruitment from former UM booster and convicted felon Nevin Shapiro. In their statement, the NCAA alleged that those recruitment benefits included meals, transportation, access to Shapiro's game suite, drinks, as well as cover charges at two different nightclubs, among others.
Safety Ray-Ray Armstrong and tight end Dyron Dye were each suspended for the first four games for impermissible benefits they received during their recruitment. Armstrong received approximately $788 in extra benefits from Shapiro and athletics personnel during his recruitment. Dye received approximately $738. These benefits for both players included five nights of impermissible lodging from institutional staff during their unofficial visits, transportation, multiple meals, and entertainment at a gentleman's club.
Defensive lineman Marcus Forston, linebacker Sean Spence, defensive lineman Adewale Ojomo and wide receiver Travis Benjamin were each suspended for one game apiece. From the release:
Forston received more than $400 in extra benefits from Shapiro and athletic personnel, including athletic equipment, meals, nightclub cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman's club. Spence received approximately $275 in benefits, including meals, transportation, as well as cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman's club. Ojomo received $240 in extra benefits, including a meal and nightclub cover charges. Benjamin received more than $150 in extra benefits, including meals and entertainment.
All of the players must make restitution as a condition of their reinstatement.
Harris, Vernon, Armstrong, Forston, Spence, Ojomo and Benjamin were all listed as starters or co-starters on the Hurricanes' most recent depth chart. All seven will miss at least the opener Monday against Maryland.
"The NCAA has informed the University of Miami of their decisions regarding the reinstatement of eight student-athletes who were declared ineligible by the University last week," Miami athletics director Shawn Eichorst said in a statement. "The student-athletes involved have acknowledged receiving improper benefits and will now be responsible for restitution and, in some cases, the student-athletes will also serve game suspensions. They understand that their actions demand consequences.
"This university has the highest standards in all of our academic and athletic endeavors. We will remain steadfast in our commitment to continue to build winning programs with the utmost of integrity. We will be more vigilant in our compliance and continue to work with the NCAA on the joint investigation to determine the facts.
"We appreciate the diligence and understanding of the NCAA staff and its handling of the student-athlete eligibility issues in an expeditious manner. I would also like to thank Coach [Al] Golden and his staff for their professionalism and leadership over the past few weeks."
It should be noted that the NCAA's decision on the player's eligibility is separate from their broader investigation into the allegations levied against Miami's football program and any sanctions that could be slapped on the school.
In the school's release on the development, it was noted that Brandon McGee, JoJo Nicholas, Micanor Regis and Vaughn Telemaque "have been cleared by the NCAA to participate in all competition though each must make repayment in the amount of less than $100 for receiving impermissible benefits", as well as Marcus Robinson being cleared of any NCAA violations and will not face any penalties.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/30/hurricanes-mentioned-in-shapiro-allegations-to-receive-subpoenas/#comments
QuoteThe Miami Herald reports this morning that all 72 players mentioned in the Shapiro allegations will be handed subpoenas (pictured — now in 3D!) from bankruptcy trustee Joel Tabas seeking to regain any benefits of "real monetary value". Values for the alleged benefits have included items as small as a free meal or two to a $50,000 lump sum to former defensive tackle Vince Wilfork.
Tabas' attorney, Gary Freedman, explained:
"They can't ignore it — it's a subpoena issued by a bankruptcy court. If they ignore it, we will seek an order from the court to compel them to respond. If they don't respond, they will face a contempt order.
...
"[We're] requesting any documents with any gifts or benefits that they received. I am asking them to fill out an affidavit. If an athlete gives misinformation, it would be considered perjury.
"We have books and records that show some of the transfers. Some are not easily traceable. Our records reflect what Shapiro has indicated to Yahoo! I have no reason to doubt what Nevin has been saying. We have done our due diligence."
So far, none of the accused have reportedly initiated conversations with Freedman about returning the monetary value of the alleged gifts. If anyone issued a subpoena fails to cooperate, they could be brought into custody, although Freedman is hopeful that won't be the case.
Really? A few players have to sit one game and that is gloat worthy?
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Dude...what is up with the ugly helmet variations?
Quote from: Valmy on August 31, 2011, 04:11:50 PM
Dude...what is up with the ugly helmet variations?
Wyoming sold their soul on the altar of Nike, and while the traditional ugly colors remain, the design shows that the program has been tainted.
People are still pissed Ohio State used those combat uniforms in the last two Michigan games. Apparently enough of a stink was raised they switched the nike uniform to the Whisky Dick game.
Edit: At least it is going to be black. Buckeye SS. :)
http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/first_look_ohio_state_nike_pro_combat_uniform_leaked/5668621
Quote from: Valmy on August 31, 2011, 07:49:18 AM
Really? A few players have to sit one game and that is gloat worthy?
Three of them got more than one game.
I think that the gloating was more over the subpeonas, though.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 31, 2011, 04:40:02 PM
People are still pissed Ohio State used those combat uniforms in the last two Michigan games. Apparently enough of a stink was raised they switched the nike uniform to the Whisky Dick game.
Edit: At least it is going to be black. Buckeye SS. :)
http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/first_look_ohio_state_nike_pro_combat_uniform_leaked/5668621
Hate it.
So who will join the SEC to even it out at 14 teams?
Missouri? Virginia Tech? West Virginia?
Florida State hopefully.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 31, 2011, 05:34:08 PM
Hate it.
Agreed. That is bad. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with the Buckeyes' uniform as-is.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 31, 2011, 07:12:38 PM
Florida State hopefully.
I read that Florida will torpedo that, but IIRC 9 of 12 schools must agree so not sure what they can do if the rest want it unless schools from the same state have veto power.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 31, 2011, 07:12:38 PM
Florida State hopefully.
Florida and Georgia have reportedly vetoed Florida State and Georgia tech, two obvious contenders.
Va Tech could probably compete in the SEC.
Odd considering they already play those teams yearly. I assume the idea's that because the SEC has more prestige than the ACC they get better recruits than their rival. :hmm:
They want new markets.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 31, 2011, 07:25:21 PM
They want new markets.
That explains the conference going after A&M, it doesn't explain Georgia vetoing a potential Tech membership.
So why do we hate Boise State? Is it just their execrable blue field, or is it something else?
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2011, 07:35:26 PM
So why do we hate Boise State? Is it just their execrable blue field, or is it something else?
Also they're a non-BCS conference school with national title aspirations, which really irks some. But for me it's just the blue field.
It's the field. Also they've gotten kind of whiny.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 31, 2011, 07:26:51 PM
That explains the conference going after A&M, it doesn't explain Georgia vetoing a potential Tech membership.
Well, Atlanta is not a new market. You also already noted the recruiting angle. Florida, Georgia, and SCAR don't want anyone new fucking with their chi.
VaTech is probably the best one in the area that won't get vetoed, etc, but they might not want to leave the ACC if they don't have to. WVU might be easier to get, but they're more like Texas A&M than they are VaTech (as far as national appeal, etc, goes, not.....they're not that weird).
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 31, 2011, 07:43:03 PM
It's the field. Also they've gotten kind of whiny.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 31, 2011, 07:26:51 PM
That explains the conference going after A&M, it doesn't explain Georgia vetoing a potential Tech membership.
Well, Atlanta is not a new market. You also already noted the recruiting angle. Florida, Georgia, and SCAR don't want anyone new fucking with their chi.
VaTech is probably the best one in the area that won't get vetoed, etc, but they might not want to leave the ACC if they don't have to. WVU might be easier to get, but they're more like Texas A&M than they are VaTech (as far as national appeal, etc, goes, not.....they're not that weird).
WVU's fanbase, while not particularly large, does travel well, which can help get a slightly better bowl bid, but I'm not sure that the SEC really needs to worry about that much, and WVU certainly doesn't help much when it comes to TV markets. If they take Texas A&M, the obvious other team to go after as far as markets go (while keeping within what could still be considered the southeast) would probably actually be Maryland, but I don't see that they bring much to the table as far as on-the-field play is concerned. So yeah, VT would be a reasonable choice.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 31, 2011, 07:25:21 PM
They want new markets.
North Carolina or Virginia make the most sense. V-Tech has no conference loyalty and hops around at the nearest fad. They would be perfect.
VaTech has been pretty straightforward with their comments regarding this whole thing. It's all pretty much "No." Sure, it could be CYA bullshit, but usually those types of statements are more...er...weasel-y than what they've been throwing out there. This came out today:
Quote"Total poppycock. How many times do we have to say it? If one of these rumor mongers, would be willing to cite their 'multiple sources,' it might lend some credence. Frankly, we're tired of other people telling us what our future is.
"We are not interested. Nothing has changed. My president will not dignify wild speculation. Our last statement [from Aug. 12] still stands. Bottom line: this is not on our radar screen."
The statement on the 12th said this:
Quote from: same guy as above"Virginia Tech is exceedingly pleased with our membership in the ACC. It is the perfect conference for us. The university administration has no interest in any discussion concerning affiliation with any conference other than the ACC."
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-blog/dp-teel-time-vt-spokesman-calls-hokiestosec-buzz-poppycock-20110831,0,4697023.story?track=rss
And their AD said this previously:
Quote"We always wanted to be in the ACC," Weaver said. "Now we're there. Why would we want to go somewhere else when we finally have what we want?"
I just don't think they'll leave the ACC unless they absolutely have to. They're good in a good conference. Why potentially fuck things up for yourself?
Ok then...wow that does complicate things. The Big East would be the next logical conference to poach. I guess West Virginia would indeed be the school.
All this depressing conference re-alignment and business stuff is getting me cynical...just like last year. Watching Belmont Hall's balance sheet is not what I am a College Sports fan for.
So I watched the Michigan-Ohio State special on HBO and dammit seeing those old guys dressed up as Woody Hayes chanting 'Fuck Michigan' reminded me this is the best sport in the world. :cry:
SEC is looking at ASU and Arizona.
That would be hilarious if Arizona joined the League of Satans. :P
Oh Valmy did you see Connor Wood has transferred to Colorado? Not really a big deal with how Ash and McCoy 2.0 have apparently been practicing and playing in the scrimmages, etc (and they also have that dude Brewer from Arizona coming in next year, unless he changes his mind), but he was a pretty sought after recruit.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 31, 2011, 10:13:24 PM
Oh Valmy did you see Connor Wood has transferred to Colorado? Not really a big deal with how Ash and McCoy 2.0 have apparently been practicing and playing in the scrimmages, etc (and they also have that dude Brewer from Arizona coming in next year, unless he changes his mind), but he was a pretty sought after recruit.
Very regrettable. Gilbert basically got the job by default. I thought each guy still had a shot :hmm:
We may come to regret that.
Quote from: Berkut on August 31, 2011, 10:06:48 PM
SEC is looking at ASU and Arizona.
That...would be weird.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 31, 2011, 10:08:20 PM
That would be hilarious if Arizona joined the League of Satans. :P
You ain't kidding. :lol:
Arizona has the youngest offensive line of all 120 FBS teams.
People are smoking crack if they think they have a shot at a bowl game this year. I don't care how good Foles and Criner are (and they are really damn good), without an offensive line, this team is not going to break 5 wins, 6 at best.
Quote from: Valmy on August 31, 2011, 10:17:50 PM
Very regrettable. Gilbert basically got the job by default. I thought each guy still had a shot :hmm:
We may come to regret that.
Eh. From what I understand, the three of them weren't really separating from each other, while Wood was having some issues and was behind all of them. Anyway, I'm willing to give Gilbert another shot without Greg Davis there calling plays. If he sucks, he sucks, but I want to see in a real game that doesn't start with two unblocked bubble screens for 3 yard losses each then some play with all the routes within 2 - 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Fuck Greg Davis. He didn't have Vince Young or Colt McCoy to cover for him last year and it really showed.
Edit: Thinking about it....who were the QB's under Greg Davis? Applewhite, Simms, Young, McCoy, and Gilbert were the main ones. Who else was there? Chance Mock was in there somewhere, along with Jevan Snead. Matt Nordgren doesn't count.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 31, 2011, 10:39:08 PM
Edit: Thinking about it....who were the QB's under Greg Davis? Applewhite, Simms, Young, McCoy, and Gilbert were the main ones. Who else was there? Mock was in there somewhere, along with Snead.
Applewhite, Simms, Mock, Young, McCoy, Gilbert. Snead never started a single game at Texas. Say what you want about Coach Davis that dude could coach QBs. Gilbert was the only one who was not a top performer...so long as Simms was not in a high pressure situation.
Quote from: Berkut on August 31, 2011, 10:06:48 PM
SEC is looking at ASU and Arizona.
Because when you think Arizona, you definitely think of the words 'south east'. :wacko:
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2011, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 31, 2011, 10:06:48 PM
SEC is looking at ASU and Arizona.
Because when you think Arizona, you definitely think of the words 'south east'. :wacko:
College Football is really going to suck if this conference shopping around keeps happening. I mean the only reason we all get excited to watch subpar football compared to the NFL is the traditions and blah blah. If they make it NFL-lite well screw that noise.
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2011, 10:44:43 PM
Because when you think Arizona, you definitely think of the words 'south east'. :wacko:
Katmai probably does. :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2011, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 31, 2011, 10:06:48 PM
SEC is looking at ASU and Arizona.
Because when you think Arizona, you definitely think of the words 'south east'. :wacko:
I might have been lying about that completely.
Quote from: Valmy on August 31, 2011, 10:44:33 PM
Applewhite, Simms, Mock, Young, McCoy, Gilbert. Snead never started a single game at Texas. Say what you want about Coach Davis that dude could coach QBs. Gilbert was the only one who was not a top performer...so long as Simms was not in a high pressure situation.
Mock wasn't really a top performer either.
Anyway, re: Davis and QBs: I don't know. I'm not really sure about how much he had to do with it vs. how much of it was natural ability. These weren't exactly talentless losers that were being coached up. I think McCoy was the lowest "rated" of them (or Major "Balls of Steel" Applewhite), and IIRC a lot of that was because of where he played football. He also isn't the biggest guy in the universe. He certainly didn't suck at football in high school though.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 31, 2011, 10:59:03 PM
Mock wasn't really a top performer either.
:blink:
Yes he was.
His career stats were 115-214 1,613 Yards 17 TDs and 2 Ints. Damn I would kill for him now.
Quote from: Valmy on August 31, 2011, 11:01:16 PM
:blink:
Yes he was.
His career stats were 115-214 1,613 Yards 17 TDs and 2 Ints. Damn I would kill for him now.
Yeah, Mock was awesome against New Mexico State, Rice, and Tulane, but got beaten by Arkansas and then absolutely curbstomped by OU (when he was benched and VY came in and it got even worse). Gilbert managed more against OU, holy shit. It was like 30 - 7 or something by the time Young was put in and made that long ass run where he weaved all over the field.
Edit: Now the Chance Mock led Horns
did beat K-State, so that's something, not that he was particularly good in that game or anything.
Edit2: Well maybe he wasn't all that awesome against NMSU. Here are the games he started AFAIK (attempts-completions-int yards TD long sacks):
Quote from: New Mexico State W66-7 Mock, Chance 15-7-0 156 2 53 1
Quote from: Arkansas L28-38Mock, Chance 40-21-0 264 3 55 1 <--- 40 attempts what the hell
Quote from: Rice W48-7Mock, Chance 8-8-0 159 2 59 0 <---nice
Quote from: Tulane W63-18Mock, Chance 16-10-0 145 3 36 1 <---also nice
Quote from: KState W24-20Mock, Chance 16-7-0 88 1 51 4
Quote from: Oklahoma L13-65Mock, Chance 9-4-1 21 0 9 0
Against Arky, OU, and KSU: 32 of 65 for 373 yards, 4TD, 1INT, 5 sacks (25-39 460 7TD 0INT against the scrubs). What other stats there were came in cleanup or spot duty for Applewhite/Simms/VY. He wasn't exactly a world beater. He didn't lose his damn mind and turn the ball over every time he touched it like Gilbert does/did, but lets not get carried away about Mock.
Oh and in "oh alright" type news, according to Ticketmaster, it appears that somewhere around 55,800 seats have been reserved for UTSA's first game on Saturday. They need to sell ~9,100 more for a complete sellout. I think they're out of time, not that ~56,000 is a terrible thing. They had to expand the student section to 20,000 ( :blink:) to meet demand.
They'll probably lose and everyone will be all pissed off and drunk. This team they're playing, Northeastern State, apparently already played a game and really crushed some NAIA squad.
Also just found out what the field is going to look like. It's also a-okay, with no orange turf (a joke released by someone that was actually taken seriously for a bit) or anything like that:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/slideshows/sports/slideshow/Getting-Alamodome-ready-for-UTSA-30625.php#photo-
Seems like a pretty sweet gig that guy there has lined up. The Alamodome artist for the last 20 years, eh?
MBM, I might be going to UTSA next year so I may be sitting up there. Haven't been to the Alamodome in a long time. :cry:
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 01, 2011, 09:04:23 AM
MBM, I might be going to UTSA next year so I may be sitting up there. Haven't been to the Alamodome in a long time. :cry:
Few people go to the Alamodome since nobody plays there.
Glad to finally see it have a tenant again. I still cannot believe San Antonio built a huge football facility for their Basketball team.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 09:21:54 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 01, 2011, 09:04:23 AM
MBM, I might be going to UTSA next year so I may be sitting up there. Haven't been to the Alamodome in a long time. :cry:
Few people go to the Alamodome since nobody plays there.
Yeah I know. I think the last time I went there was for a field trip when I was in grade school. :lol:
Ah right on Monk. We can chill here in SA sipping margaritas and talking shit about that filthy northerner Valmy. :ccr:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 01, 2011, 01:28:41 PM
Ah right on Monk. We can chill here in SA sipping margaritas and talking shit about that filthy northerner Valmy. :ccr:
Hrm...you guys want to have a meet down there sometime this fall? We could check out a UTSA game (just presuming it is reasonably cheap)? I mean...not this Saturday...
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 01:30:37 PM
Hrm...you guys want to have a meet down there sometime this fall? We could check out a UTSA game (just presuming it is reasonably cheap)? I mean...not this Saturday...
I'd probably be down, although tbh, I'd prefer to wait until the weather really cools off so it wouldn't be so unpleasant to check out the pregame stuff that's going on downtown (I've heard there's free beer at certain places on the Riverwalk, and IIRC UTSA is using Sunset Station for a lot of other things). I'm only going Saturday, when it's probably going to be 100 degrees, because it's the first game.
Re: Cost: Tickets for this one were $18 for the upper deck ($16 with military discount wow awesome discount guys) after all the Ticketmaster fees, etc, so it's very inexpensive. Lower levels are, naturally, more, but the good spots down in the lower bowl filled up
fast.
BTW: College football starts in an hour. Murray State @ Louisville on ESPNU. :yeah:
Ohio State suspends 3 players for the Akron game. Yay, I guess.
Somebody dig up Art Schlichter and have him suit up.
Oklahoma to the Pac 12? Does this guy know something the rest of us don't or is he a crackpot?
http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/one-more-move-and-big-12-is-over-1809134.html?cxtype=rss_longhorns&viewAsSinglePage=true
Kirk Bohls spitballs.
This Murray State QB is just awful and they're supposedly a passing team. 0-8 so far. While a couple of them are incompletions because of the D, most are passes that are just flying out of reach.
14-0 Louisville.
Edit: They're talking about needing to give him easy throws, but he was heaving screens into the damn stands earlier, and his WRs were having to make spectacular diving attempts to get their hands on slants.
A COMPLETION! AND ANOTHER! doh offsetting penalties Doh two penalties on Murray State, one on Louisville on that play, and the QB guns the ball into the ground from two yards away on the next play. Dude is 1 - 11 now after a Louisville DB dropped the third down pass that hit him in the numbers.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 01, 2011, 01:28:41 PM
Ah right on Monk. We can chill here in SA sipping margaritas and talking shit about that filthy northerner Valmy. :ccr:
I say
might be at UTSA because I'm waiting to see if I'm accepted at UT for next spring semester. Either way, I'll be in south-central Texas come sometime this fall. :cool:
Of course, now I feel a little conflicted about supporting two different Texas college football teams.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 01, 2011, 05:55:17 PM
Of course, now I feel a little conflicted about supporting two different Texas college football teams.
Nah. You got a mid-major and a major. You're good to go.
Hell they're both part of the same system too, so even better. They won't play each other for a long time either.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
Oklahoma to the Pac 12? Does this guy know something the rest of us don't or is he a crackpot?
http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/one-more-move-and-big-12-is-over-1809134.html?cxtype=rss_longhorns&viewAsSinglePage=true
Bohls is saying what he hopes happens. He is editorializing there not reporting. The article predicts Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma AND Texas to the PAC 12 and well nobody has been reporting that.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
Oklahoma to the Pac 12? Does this guy know something the rest of us don't or is he a crackpot?
http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/one-more-move-and-big-12-is-over-1809134.html?cxtype=rss_longhorns&viewAsSinglePage=true
Bohls is saying what he hopes happens. He is editorializing there not reporting. The article predicts Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma AND Texas to the PAC 12 and well nobody has been reporting that.
I cannot imagine the Pac Ten/12/whatever taking all four of those schools. Texas, yes. The rest (maybe not TT, I know nothing of the school academically) aren't much more than community colleges with oversized sports departments. They bring no TV markets and they dumb down the Pac Ten considerably.
Quote from: grumbler on September 01, 2011, 07:49:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
Oklahoma to the Pac 12? Does this guy know something the rest of us don't or is he a crackpot?
http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/one-more-move-and-big-12-is-over-1809134.html?cxtype=rss_longhorns&viewAsSinglePage=true
Bohls is saying what he hopes happens. He is editorializing there not reporting. The article predicts Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma AND Texas to the PAC 12 and well nobody has been reporting that.
I cannot imagine the Pac Ten/12/whatever taking all four of those schools. Texas, yes. The rest (maybe not TT, I know nothing of the school academically) aren't much more than community colleges with oversized sports departments. They bring no TV markets and they dumb down the Pac Ten considerably.
Do they really care about that or is it all about the money? Texas and Oklahoma are premier football programs, that's what brings in the money when negotiating tv deals.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 08:00:07 PM
Do they really care about that or is it all about the money? Texas and Oklahoma are premier football programs, that's what brings in the money when negotiating tv deals.
Of course they care about that. It's not just about sports.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
Oklahoma to the Pac 12? Does this guy know something the rest of us don't or is he a crackpot?
http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/one-more-move-and-big-12-is-over-1809134.html?cxtype=rss_longhorns&viewAsSinglePage=true
Bohls is saying what he hopes happens. He is editorializing there not reporting. The article predicts Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma AND Texas to the PAC 12 and well nobody has been reporting that.
He seems a credible journalist from what other sources are saying. :unsure:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/01/ou-to-jump-to-pac-12-sooner-rather-than-later/
QuoteThat's right. On the first official day of the 2011 season, one of the most respected writers in Big 12 country if not all of college football is not only very publicly seeing the end of the conference — presumably from a source or sources he's developed from within the conference itself — he's also saying that all of this will unfold in less than a month's time.
As if to add a tanker full of fuel to the fire of speculation, Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott issued a statement to Suzanne Halliburton of the American-Statesman that does not dismiss Bohls' scenario. At all.
"While I cannot predict if and when this (Pac-12 expansion) might make sense for us, we will listen to and evaluate any scenario that would benefit our member institutions, our student-athletes and our fans," Scott trolled told the paper.
And what of The Longhorn Network, the television elephant in the room that prevented the Pac-16 from being formed last year and played a prominent role in the Aggies departing this year? "The Longhorn Network gets folded into the Pac-16 as a downsized regional network, joining the six regional networks that already exist within the conference," Bohls writes.
Of course, if Bohls' apocalyptic scenario were to come to fruition — and obviously that's a very, very big if right now — it would be a monumental shift for both the future of the game and for the 2011 itself. Instead of both eyes being focused squarely on the playing field for the foreseeable future, at least one would be trained squarely on the offices of the SEC and the Big Ten. Make no mistake; if the Pac-12 makes the first real leap into the super-conference stratosphere, the two power conferences will respond in kind — very forcefully, very emphatically.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
Oklahoma to the Pac 12? Does this guy know something the rest of us don't or is he a crackpot?
http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/one-more-move-and-big-12-is-over-1809134.html?cxtype=rss_longhorns&viewAsSinglePage=true
Bohls is saying what he hopes happens. He is editorializing there not reporting. The article predicts Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma AND Texas to the PAC 12 and well nobody has been reporting that.
He seems a credible journalist from what other sources are saying. :unsure:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/01/ou-to-jump-to-pac-12-sooner-rather-than-later/
QuoteThat's right. On the first official day of the 2011 season, one of the most respected writers in Big 12 country if not all of college football is not only very publicly seeing the end of the conference — presumably from a source or sources he's developed from within the conference itself — he's also saying that all of this will unfold in less than a month's time.
As if to add a tanker full of fuel to the fire of speculation, Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott issued a statement to Suzanne Halliburton of the American-Statesman that does not dismiss Bohls' scenario. At all.
"While I cannot predict if and when this (Pac-12 expansion) might make sense for us, we will listen to and evaluate any scenario that would benefit our member institutions, our student-athletes and our fans," Scott trolled told the paper.
And what of The Longhorn Network, the television elephant in the room that prevented the Pac-16 from being formed last year and played a prominent role in the Aggies departing this year? "The Longhorn Network gets folded into the Pac-16 as a downsized regional network, joining the six regional networks that already exist within the conference," Bohls writes.
Of course, if Bohls' apocalyptic scenario were to come to fruition — and obviously that's a very, very big if right now — it would be a monumental shift for both the future of the game and for the 2011 itself. Instead of both eyes being focused squarely on the playing field for the foreseeable future, at least one would be trained squarely on the offices of the SEC and the Big Ten. Make no mistake; if the Pac-12 makes the first real leap into the super-conference stratosphere, the two power conferences will respond in kind — very forcefully, very emphatically.
What does his credibility have to do with whether that article is fact or an opinion? Can't a credible person write both?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
He seems a credible journalist from what other sources are saying. :unsure:
I never said he wasn't. But he writes editorials and makes predictions all the time.
It would be pretty farcical if everybody got all this money and swore a super sacred oath to commit to the conference just to bail the next year. Ah well. My once beloved conference.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 08:00:07 PM
Quote from: grumbler on September 01, 2011, 07:49:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
Oklahoma to the Pac 12? Does this guy know something the rest of us don't or is he a crackpot?
http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/one-more-move-and-big-12-is-over-1809134.html?cxtype=rss_longhorns&viewAsSinglePage=true
Bohls is saying what he hopes happens. He is editorializing there not reporting. The article predicts Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma AND Texas to the PAC 12 and well nobody has been reporting that.
I cannot imagine the Pac Ten/12/whatever taking all four of those schools. Texas, yes. The rest (maybe not TT, I know nothing of the school academically) aren't much more than community colleges with oversized sports departments. They bring no TV markets and they dumb down the Pac Ten considerably.
Do they really care about that or is it all about the money? Texas and Oklahoma are premier football programs, that's what brings in the money when negotiating tv deals.
If any conference were to care it would be the Pac-12; that said I wouldn't completely rule it out.
If the future of college football is the 4 16 team Superconferences the conference(s) that move the quickest will be in the best shape and Larry Scott has shown he is willing to get out in front of things like this.
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2011, 09:37:40 PM
What does his credibility have to do with whether that article is fact or an opinion? Can't a credible person write both?
Yeah this is an opinion piece. He is not reporting facts here. At least not explicitly.
From last year, I think:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi15.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa380%2Fthujone%2FTheSearch25.jpg&hash=92235c9c77b7b8615d65220d4284b97d7191b1fb)
:w00t:
:lol:
Yeah I am not just a huge fan of Bohls myself but he has been covering the Longhorns as the Austin Newspaper guy since the 80s.
He wrote a really great book on Texas football for the 1992 centenial season. It was my bible o' Bevo as a teenager.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 09:38:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
He seems a credible journalist from what other sources are saying. :unsure:
It would be pretty farcical if everybody got all this money and swore a super sacred oath to commit to the conference just to bail the next year. Ah well. My once beloved conference.
The fact that it wasn't put on paper made me expect betrayal all along.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 09:43:23 PM
He wrote a really great book on Texas football for the 1992 centenial season.
:hmm: I think I have that around here somewhere.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 01, 2011, 09:45:41 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 09:43:23 PM
He wrote a really great book on Texas football for the 1992 centenial season.
:hmm: I think I have that around here somewhere.
Here it is: http://www.amazon.com/Long-Live-Longhorns-Years-Football/dp/0312093284
I just wish he would write an update.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 09:48:42 PM
Here it is: http://www.amazon.com/Long-Live-Longhorns-Years-Football/dp/0312093284
I just wish he would write an update.
Yeah I think I do have that somewhere. Although since I'm not entirely certain, I could just shell out the $0.39 and get another copy.
While I think grumbler has a point about the Pac-10's academic standards, most of what I've heard back when the Pac-16 was being discussed was that the "super-conference" realignment scenario would trump those concerns.
Bring in 1 or 2 schools? Yeah, they have to fit. Bring in 6, which is going to herald that super-conference era in college sports? Then maybe the Pac-10 relaxes those concerns.
Quote from: Berkut on September 01, 2011, 10:04:03 PM
While I think grumbler has a point about the Pac-10's academic standards, most of what I've heard back when the Pac-16 was being discussed was that the "super-conference" realignment scenario would trump those concerns.
Bring in 1 or 2 schools? Yeah, they have to fit. Bring in 6, which is going to herald that super-conference era in college sports? Then maybe the Pac-10 relaxes those concerns.
Well Texas Tech and Oklahoma State aren't
that bad. They're not super awesome schools, but they're not Boise State Trucker U's or something either. Tech, at least, has been actively making an effort to improve in recent years. They probably fall around Oregon State type levels.
Edit: This Kentucky - Western Kentucky game is interesting and boring at the same time. How odd.
Edit2: Oh I forgot Oklahoma. They're a little better than the other two.
According to US News rankings for 2011, Texas Tech comes in at 159. Several Pac whatever schools are around 120-140s.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data/page+7 (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data/page+7)
Huh. Arizona State is pretty far down there at 143. I thought Oregon State brought up the rear in the PAC, but not according to this particular list.
Speaking of the PAC-12, when is their network going to be starting up?
Man, watching the LHN (some show called Game Plan that just came on after something called Longhorn Extra looped a couple times), I'm kind of surprised. The production quality is quite high, and the talking heads don't seem to be screwing up at all, really. They've also been tying shows like 1st and 10 with that asshole Skip Bayless in there for some commentary on Big 12 and Texas specific topics. Pretty solid stuff, imo, for a 4-5 day old network. Mack has looked a little uncomfortable at times in a segment that had him standing on one side of a "TV" across from the talking head, but that's no big deal.
Also, heh, UTSA will be on there tomorrow. Sure, it's women's soccer, but hey
E:Oooo...they just showed the starting OL. So, So, Fr, Sr (the former C), Sr. Joe Bergeron looks like he wants to hit people.
They also said Marquise Goodwin is done over in Korea. 13th place or something, so he didn't advance somethingsomethingsomething. Too bad for him.
Damn you have the LHN? You lucky lucky bastard.
Woohoo! Wyoming at 153!
Pac-20 here we come!
Feel really bad for the 1 in 25 people who get rejected to Wyoming. :P
Quote from: PDH on September 02, 2011, 08:45:39 AM
Woohoo! Wyoming at 153!
Pac-20 here we come!
Without your inspired instruction I am sure it would only be 154.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 02, 2011, 09:27:01 AM
Feel really bad for the 1 in 25 people who get rejected to Wyoming. :P
The University of Wyoming HAS to accept high school graduates from in state - at least until they flunk out!
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 01, 2011, 10:36:42 PM
Huh. Arizona State is pretty far down there at 143. I thought Oregon State brought up the rear in the PAC, but not according to this particular list.
Yeah, I take back my post. The Pac-whatever isn't nearly as good academically as I had thought. Oklahoma might actually bring the average up.
Quote from: grumbler on September 02, 2011, 10:36:30 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 01, 2011, 10:36:42 PM
Huh. Arizona State is pretty far down there at 143. I thought Oregon State brought up the rear in the PAC, but not according to this particular list.
Yeah, I take back my post. The Pac-whatever isn't nearly as good academically as I had thought. Oklahoma might actually bring the average up.
Now that I think about it for a minute the line I have heard in regards to the Pac-XX schools is "Research University." No idea what exactly that means or how any of the 4 schools mentioned fit into that. I do know that I have heard that is one reason why Boise State would never make the cut. I have also heard that the Pac-XX is not at all interested in "religious" schools like BYU or Baylor.
Quote from: sbr on September 02, 2011, 01:04:19 PM
I have also heard that the Pac-XX is not at all interested in "religious" schools like BYU or Baylor.
I've got a lot of pull with them.
Indianapolis now with extreme Sweater Vest powah: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/02/jim-tressel-lands-a-job-with-the-colts/
QuoteJim Tressel lands a job with the Colts
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 2, 2011, 3:43 PM EDT
ReutersTerrelle Pryor's college coach will join Pryor in the NFL this year.
Colts coach Jim Caldwell said on a conference call Friday that Tressel was hired as a gameday consultant. Tressel will focus on consulting on replays, with the idea to free up time for other coaches. He'll also answer questions on sweater vest dos and don'ts.
Caldwell apparently has wanted to create the role for a few years, and Tressel seemed like a nice fit. Tressel visited a few teams during training camp, including the Colts and Browns.
No word yet if the NFL plans to suspend Tressel five games to start the year, like they did with Pryor.
Quote from: Berkut on September 02, 2011, 02:50:26 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 02, 2011, 01:04:19 PM
I have also heard that the Pac-XX is not at all interested in "religious" schools like BYU or Baylor.
I've got a lot of pull with them.
:D
Wyoming does some research!
This is getting to be a done deal.
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2011, 09:40:01 PM
If the future of college football is the 4 16 team Superconferences the conference(s) that move the quickest will be in the best shape and Larry Scott has shown he is willing to get out in front of things like this.
I still don't think that 16-team superconferences makes sense. I suspect that they will be formed in the not-too-distant future, but won't last. Really, I don't think that anything above 10 members for football makes sense, execpt that conferences want 12 so they can stage a championship game.
Quote from: dps on September 02, 2011, 05:35:40 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2011, 09:40:01 PM
If the future of college football is the 4 16 team Superconferences the conference(s) that move the quickest will be in the best shape and Larry Scott has shown he is willing to get out in front of things like this.
I still don't think that 16-team superconferences makes sense. I suspect that they will be formed in the not-too-distant future, but won't last. Really, I don't think that anything above 10 members for football makes sense, execpt that conferences want 12 so they can stage a championship game.
I agree. I have no desire to see any 16 team conferences, but as a fan of the Pac-10 I would rather see them get ahead of it and get good additions rather than be left in the cold, or stuck with Boise, BYU and other dreck.
So I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does I hope we are the first to do it.
Quote from: dps on September 02, 2011, 05:35:40 PM
I still don't think that 16-team superconferences makes sense. I suspect that they will be formed in the not-too-distant future, but won't last. Really, I don't think that anything above 10 members for football makes sense, execpt that conferences want 12 so they can stage a championship game.
I agree. Six ten-team conferences with round-robin play and some scheduling reform to induce some difficulty in OOC play is infinitely preferable to 12 eight-team conferences (because that is what the four 16-team conferences would amount to) with the current emphasis on playing patsies OOC.
Div-1A is also too big. Some of its teams should be relegated to Div-1AA, and the restrictions on 1AA recruiting should be lightened.
Quote from: sbr on September 02, 2011, 05:39:11 PM
Quote from: dps on September 02, 2011, 05:35:40 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 01, 2011, 09:40:01 PM
If the future of college football is the 4 16 team Superconferences the conference(s) that move the quickest will be in the best shape and Larry Scott has shown he is willing to get out in front of things like this.
I still don't think that 16-team superconferences makes sense. I suspect that they will be formed in the not-too-distant future, but won't last. Really, I don't think that anything above 10 members for football makes sense, execpt that conferences want 12 so they can stage a championship game.
I agree. I have no desire to see any 16 team conferences, but as a fan of the Pac-10 I would rather see them get ahead of it and get good additions rather than be left in the cold, or stuck with Boise, BYU and other dreck.
So I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does I hope we are the first to do it.
Do you agree with the part of my post where I suggest that 16-team conferences won't last? Because if you do, it sounds like you're saying you want the PAC-10 to be the first to launch a doomed experiment.
The day before The Day. Gotta love it. :)
TCU-Baylor game
False Start - Everybody but the center! :lol:
#14 TCU 23, Baylor 27 with 7:00 still left in the motherfucking 2nd quarter. 6 lead changes. Blow for blow.
Little punky Baylor, the Baylor that even JFK used to goof on, giving #14 in the country every bit of a fight they could want. Kids going nuts. Players psyched out of their heads.
This is why college ball will always be better than the pros.
Quote from: grumbler on September 02, 2011, 07:51:55 PM
The day before The Day. Gotta love it. :)
I really don't want to watch Oregon get slapped around by another SEC team. :(
Quote from: sbr on September 02, 2011, 08:32:29 PM
I really don't want to watch Oregon get slapped around by another SEC team. :(
Well, guess fucking what.
Oh hey I just got home. Nice score. I see RGIII is still a one man bowl bid.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 08:28:42 PM
the Baylor that even JFK used to goof on
:unsure: Never heard of this. What did he say about them? I know about the Rice thing, but not Baylor.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 08:33:52 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 02, 2011, 08:32:29 PM
I really don't want to watch Oregon get slapped around by another SEC team. :(
Well, guess fucking what.
I know. I will watch and they will get smacked. :weep:
Oh Valmy, Grande picked up the LHN. You have that? Some dudes on the Shag are saying channel 839 is LHN HD now if so.
Edit: Also, the second football game is Kansas - Texas on 29 Oct.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 02, 2011, 09:00:09 PM
Oh hey I just got home. Nice score. I see RGIII is still a one man bowl bid.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 08:28:42 PM
the Baylor that even JFK used to goof on
:unsure: Never heard of this. What did he say about them? I know about the Rice thing, but not Baylor.
Rice, Baylor. Who cares. THATS NOT THE POINT MAN
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 09:09:00 PM
Rice, Baylor. Who cares. THATS NOT THE POINT MAN
:lol: Speaking of the LHN and Rice. Last night, they showed the 1994 game: The last time Rice beat Texas. What a great game to watch! Thanks guys!
19-16 score and John Mackovic standing on the sidelines with that dumb fucking look on his face? Perfect classic game.
Oh shit.
Fucking awesome!http://blog.mysanantonio.com/utsa/2011/09/final-five-utsa-home-games-slated-for-longhorn-network/
QuoteFinal five UTSA home games slated for Longhorn Network
Posted on 09/02/2011 by Dan McCarney
UPDATE: A second source told the Express-News the deal was "absolutely true," and is slated for at least three years. No information available yet on the financial parameters.
UTSA has reached an agreement to broadcast its final five home football games on the Longhorn Network, a source has told the Express-News. Details to follow.
The Roadrunners play host to McMurry on Sept. 10; Bacone College on Sept. 24; South Alabama on Oct. 8; Georgia State on Oct. 29; and Minot State on Nov. 12. They play their inaugural game tommorrow at the Alamodome against Northeastern State at 1 p.m.
Haha and Baylor just scored again.
Baylor's cutting it loose all over Sammy Baugh's Bitches. That kid Robert Griffin III is dropping Hiroshimas. 15-18, 281 yards, 4 TDs. And it's only the 3rd quarter.
Make that 5. Baylor's going all PlayStation on these guys. I love it.
Y'all collectively bitch about Boise State...well, TCU's my Boise State. Overrated non-secularists.
No love for the toads, eh?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 02, 2011, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 09:09:00 PM
Rice, Baylor. Who cares. THATS NOT THE POINT MAN
:lol: Speaking of the LHN and Rice. Last night, they showed the 1994 game: The last time Rice beat Texas. What a great game to watch! Thanks guys!
19-16 score and John Mackovic standing on the sidelines with that dumb fucking look on his face? Perfect classic game.
Wait you have the LHN? *jealous*
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 02, 2011, 09:06:02 PM
Oh Valmy, Grande picked up the LHN. You have that? Some dudes on the Shag are saying channel 839 is LHN HD now if so.
Edit: Also, the second football game is Kansas - Texas on 29 Oct.
Nah TWC over here.
Quote from: Valmy on September 02, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
Wait you have the LHN? *jealous*
Naw, there was a high quality Justin.tv stream last night from at least 10pm (when I started watching) until after 3am (when I stopped because I'm not going to watch that game again). I was going to send you the link this morning, but the stream was gone.
You have it right now though if you have Grande. Ah TWC? Sucks. I have DirecTV, which probably won't be getting it until the renegotiation in December.
Death to the Big 12! Kill it with Fire!
Bring on the Super-conferences! Down with tradition! Bring on the playoffs!
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6923495/oklahoma-sooners-president-david-boren-says-school-interest-multiple-conferences
QuoteOklahoma debating conference options
NORMAN, Okla. -- University of Oklahoma president David Boren says multiple conferences have shown interest in the Sooners recently and he expects to decide whether to leave the Big 12 or not within the next three weeks.
Boren said Friday that Oklahoma is seeking stability in its conference relationship with "partners that are both outstanding athletically and academically as well because a conference that's strong is not only stable but it's one in which there are multiple relationships, along with sports, between the university members."
He said he tried to prevent Texas A&M from leaving the Big 12 and was disappointed the Aggies announced this week they would seek to join another conference -- most likely the SEC -- by next July.
"Of course, we have some great partners in the existing Big 12. We have interest from other conferences and other universities, so it's really a tribute to the strength of our program at the University of Oklahoma that there is so much interest in us," Boren said.
"So, we have to carefully evaluate the various comments that are being made to us and the various possibilities that are being shown to us before we decide what's best for the university to do."
Athletic director Joe Castiglione, who attended a ceremony with Boren to celebrate a $10 million donation toward a campus dormitory, said he was "not here to answer any of those kind of questions." Castiglione has not commented publicly on Texas A&M's departure from the league, nor on Oklahoma's future plans.
Boren said he and Castiglione have been heavily involved in talks about the future of the Sooners and the Big 12.
Oklahoma was offered chances to join both the Pac-10 and the SEC last year but decided to stick with the Big 12, even as Nebraska left to join the Big Ten and Colorado joined the Pac-10. A&M's departure would drop the league that once had 12 teams down to nine members.
"I don't think there's anything that has to be, at all, and everything doesn't have to be done today. I mean, there's nothing that says the conference will collapse at nine," Boren said. "We have a full season to play and we'll have to go through.
"Obviously, I think if we could eventually -- and that doesn't mean in one year, maybe it's going to take two or three years -- if we were to eventually get back to 12, I would feel better about it."
Boren said the bottom line is "I don't think OU is going to be a wallflower when all is said and done."
"I don't know how long it will be before clarity comes to us. My experience is that on these kinds of things, it might be a matter of 72 hours, it might be a matter of two weeks. I don't really think this is something that is going to linger on beyond two or three weeks at the outside," Boren said.
"It's been consuming my life the last few days, but it's a fascinating challenge and we're just in the search for what's best for the university."
Boren confirmed that he flew to Missouri, whose chancellor is the chairman of the Big 12 board of directors, and then to College Station last week to try to prevent the Aggies from leaving. He said he's disappointed that he thought the Sooners had conference stability and instead face the same challenge as last summer.
"We don't know what's going to happen. Some things are trends beyond the control of any one university," Boren said. "Is there going to be a continued trend toward consolidation? Are we going to see conferences that are now 12 ... move to 16? Is that going to happen? Maybe that's not going to happen.
"You've seen both. You've seen a tendency toward consolidation and then you've seen some pushback in the very largest conferences from schools that say, 'Not too big.' We're trying to sort all that out. At this point in time, I'm being very honest with you, I do not know with certainty or perhaps even can't hazard a totally intelligent guess as to what our final decision will be. But we are carefully looking over all of the options. There is no school in the Big 12 more active than we are right now."
Information from SoonerNation writer Jake Trotter and The Associated Press was used in this report.
Christ on a crutch, Baylor's imploding before the nation.
lol nice series Baylor.
That last play was classic Greg Davis. UNBLOCKED SCREEN ON 3RD AND LONG WOOOO!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 09:34:46 PM
Make that 5. Baylor's going all PlayStation on these guys. I love it.
Y'all collectively bitch about Boise State...well, TCU's my Boise State. Overrated non-secularists.
Isn't Baylor a religious school as well?
Quote from: sbr on September 02, 2011, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: grumbler on September 02, 2011, 07:51:55 PM
The day before The Day. Gotta love it. :)
I really don't want to watch Oregon get slapped around by another SEC team. :(
I am more excited about Michigan football this year than in many years past. Gotta love David Molk, one of the captains, whose goal was to get through all his press interviews without saying f*ck even once (a goal he had not met as a starter the last three years). So far, so good. This really is a lovable bunch of players. Denard Robinson got a letter from a NYC 4th grader asking him (part of a school assignment) what it meant to be a leader, and he sent back a letter with a picture:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmgoblog.com%2Fsites%2Fmgoblog.com%2Ffiles%2Fdenard-awesome_thumb.jpg&hash=3c2aac824308dfc46a1331667c36f3932db53d03)
Quote(Name removed),
Thank you for your letter and for asking me about how to be a leader. First of all, you need to believe in yourself and never just follow people. Always do what you think is right no matter what anyone else does or thinks.
Don't forget to ask people for help and thank those who help you. Don't be afraid to work hard, follow directions, and follow your dreams!
Good Luck and Go Blue!
Denard
I want this team to do well for their sakes, not mine. It is so terrific to have a coach and team that feels that they will be failures if they don't win the Big Ten, after three years of a coach that just wanted to make things better someday. RichRod never talked about conference championships or beating OSU except as objectives for some future team. This Michigan team thinks they can do both this year, and I think they will go 8-4 but that Ohio will be among the 8.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2011, 09:34:46 PM
Make that 5. Baylor's going all PlayStation on these guys. I love it.
Y'all collectively bitch about Boise State...well, TCU's my Boise State. Overrated non-secularists.
TCU lost a lot of talent to the NFL this year, I don't think they were expected to stay at the same level.
Quote from: sbr on September 02, 2011, 11:13:21 PM
TCU lost a lot of talent to the NFL this year, I don't think they were expected to stay at the same level.
Well no, not the same level, which is why they were ranked #14. But Baylor just dropped 50 on them. Either TCU has
really dropped off, or Baylor is kind of awesome this year (on offense lol).
Valmy, when you see this post (assuming it's after 5am or so), check channel 77 and see if the LHN is there. Apparently Time Warner CS reps have been telling people it's going to light up this morning. :cool:
e: Well at least I think they said it was 77 in Austin. That might have been another city, but w/e.
I think I came after that Baylor win.
So if the Pac-12 picks up Oklahoma, Oklahoma st., Texas and Texas st. how does the other conferences respond?
Would Missouri be more likely to be picked up by the SEC or the Big 10? What would happen to Kansas?
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 03, 2011, 06:21:46 AM
I think I came after that Baylor win.
Wasn't that just the most bootiful thing?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2011, 08:11:08 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 03, 2011, 06:21:46 AM
I think I came after that Baylor win.
Wasn't that just the most bootiful thing?
Yep. The Auburn game is giving me a stiffy now.
I :wub: Braxton Miller. Terelle who?
I think Michigan is in trouble. Mattison isn't going to blitz enough.
Will Notre Dame lose? Is it because they suck?
Yuck. BYU vs. Ole Miss is sloppy early.
Haha on my way home from the UTSA game. Lots of stupid shit went down, but I'll babble about that when I get home. 31-3 UTSA wins, 56,000+ in attendance. I have pictures of some of the hilarity, although not of the better stuff.
I fall asleep and 2 games are delayed because of lightning. Sheesh.
Quote from: Neil on September 03, 2011, 03:16:46 PM
Will Notre Dame lose? Is it because they suck?
Brian Kelly deserves to lose.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
Haha on my way home from the UTSA game. Lots of stupid shit went down, but I'll babble about that when I get home. 31-3 UTSA wins, 56,000+ in attendance. I have pictures of some of the hilarity, although not of the better stuff.
:cool:
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 03, 2011, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 03, 2011, 03:16:46 PM
Will Notre Dame lose? Is it because they suck?
Brian Kelly deserves to lose.
Shush, you.
They're recalibrating. God called a time out.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2011, 05:18:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 03, 2011, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 03, 2011, 03:16:46 PM
Will Notre Dame lose? Is it because they suck?
Brian Kelly deserves to lose.
Shush, you.
They're recalibrating. God called a time out.
My wife said they got divine intervention when the lightning struck. :lol:
Minnesota and Luther Van Dam is making it close at USC.
They could have used some divine intervention to recruit some good players.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2011, 06:51:18 AM
So if the Pac-12 picks up Oklahoma, Oklahoma st., Texas and Texas st. how does the other conferences respond?
Would Missouri be more likely to be picked up by the SEC or the Big 10? What would happen to Kansas?
Fortunately the actual games have started so we can forget this stupid shit until January.
Utah State with a textbook meltdown.
That is why you are Utah State and they are Auburn.
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 05:44:56 PM
That is why you are Utah State and they are Auburn.
:lol:
I was skimming through channels, and just learned I have the LHN, right next to Big Ten 1 and 2. :lol:
I have never heard of college football games simply being declared over because of the wether, but that's what happened in the Michigan game; the game has been declared over about 43 minutes in. Michigan wins, 34-10.
Quote from: grumbler on September 03, 2011, 06:22:39 PM
I have never heard of college football games simply being declared over because of the wether, but that's what happened in the Michigan game; the game has been declared over about 43 minutes in. Michigan wins, 34-10.
Fags. Notre Dame and USF just took the field for the 2nd half. Reese is starting at QB now, Dane is banished.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2011, 06:24:05 PM
Fags. Notre Dame and USF just took the field for the 2nd half. Reese is starting at QB now, Dane is banished.
Well, we knew that ND wasn't going to accept the current score as the final one.
ND needs to pull this out, so the fall is bigger when they drop at Michigan next week.
One more goofball INT, and Brian Kelly will be the first Div1 coach that actually hemorrages his liquified internal organs out onto the field.
Georgia got re-uniformed too. :(
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 03, 2011, 07:10:13 PM
Georgia got re-uniformed too. :(
Ouch! Those are some ugly outfits.
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2011, 06:51:18 AM
So if the Pac-12 picks up Oklahoma, Oklahoma st., Texas and Texas st. how does the other conferences respond?
Would Missouri be more likely to be picked up by the SEC or the Big 10? What would happen to Kansas?
Fortunately the actual games have started so we can forget this stupid shit until January.
The Big 12 will implode by the end of next week, so I doubt it.
Who fucking cares about that offseason "rumblings" and "sources" shit. When it happens, talk about it. There is actual football going on right now.
Anyway, UTSA game shenanigans: They're using the old Spurs stadium announcer for their games at the dome, and he's just awful IMO. However, I guess it's better to use him, since they apparently think it's a basketball game. Whoever was running the fancy scoreboard strip graphics was putting up "RED ZONE" and "MAKE SOME NOISE" and "ON YOUR FEET!" when UTSA was on O in the redzone trying to score. The poor crowd didn't know what to do, and would occasionally lose their minds and make huge amounts of noise while UTSA was on O, despite Soza (the QB) trying to shut them up. UTSA was having to burn timeouts because they couldn't hear.
They were also rolling out those little basketball type....er....timeout games....during every timeout. The little game would end (say...musical chairs), the fratboy would get his prize, and some dude down there with a mic would scream into it trying to get the crowd to chant, followed by the stadium PA guy screaming into his mic while UTSA was trying to huddle up and even after they were lined up to snap the ball. More often than not, the snap would come before the crowd of retards with their props were off the field. During one of their little games, where they were putting people in these hamster balls and racing, they were trying to roll these big hamster balls with people in them between the two teams during a timeout and ended up hitting a couple players. They didn't have any more dumb games after that.
Funny stuff: Some dude ran out onto the field, did whatever at midfield while everyone waited for him to fuck off. He ran for a corner on the opposite end of the field from where I was where some cops were waiting. The looked like they were just going to walk him out, until he tried to run away, and hahaha I've never seen someone forcefully faceplanted that quickly. Instead of just being escorted out, he got a knee in the upper back and a bloody face. Then escorted out.
The student section tried to rush the field despite the police and security being ready for them. A couple hundred made it out there, but they were getting...forcefully....picked off by the cops, who were, I assume, unhappy about getting shoved around by a mass of retard students. :lol:
It was fun though.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 08:05:17 PM
Who fucking cares about that offseason "rumblings" and "sources" shit. When it happens, talk about it. There is actual football going on right now.
It starts on Thursday. I mean, if you're counting the junior leagues, then it's actually been going on for a while, what with the CFL and AFL.
Quote from: Neil on September 03, 2011, 08:08:12 PM
It starts on Thursday. I mean, if you're counting the junior leagues, then it's actually been going on for a while, what with the CFL and AFL.
You're Canadian. Your opinion regarding football is worth less than that of a small American child.
E: Gilbert looks....well sometimes he looks okay. Others, he looks like he did last year. He needs to learn how to put some touch on his passes though. Dude puts everything he's got behind his throws, no matter how close they are.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 03, 2011, 08:08:12 PM
It starts on Thursday. I mean, if you're counting the junior leagues, then it's actually been going on for a while, what with the CFL and AFL.
You're Canadian. Your opinion regarding football is worth less than that of a small American child.
Actually, that means that I'm more informed and sophisticated than any of you. I'm also more likely to be white.
Quote from: Neil on September 03, 2011, 08:24:12 PM
Actually, that means that I'm more informed and sophisticated than any of you. I'm also more likely to be white.
You should really work on not being such a huge tool.
I just got an email asking if I could officiate a game in Toronto in this league:
http://www.lflus.com/
Quote from: Berkut on September 03, 2011, 08:30:28 PM
I just got an email asking if I could officiate a game in Toronto in this league:
http://www.lflus.com/
:lol:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 08:27:06 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 03, 2011, 08:24:12 PM
Actually, that means that I'm more informed and sophisticated than any of you. I'm also more likely to be white.
You should really work on not being such a huge tool.
You provoked me by being a little bitch.
Quote from: Neil on September 03, 2011, 08:35:32 PM
You provoked me by being a little bitch.
QuoteYou should really work on not being such a huge tool.
hth, douchebag
Quote from: Berkut on September 03, 2011, 08:30:28 PM
I just got an email asking if I could officiate a game in Toronto in this league:
http://www.lflus.com/
Do it!
Doesn't Mark Rypien's daughter play in that lingerie league?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 03, 2011, 08:35:32 PM
You provoked me by being a little bitch.
QuoteYou should really work on not being such a huge tool.
hth, douchebag
You're still doing it. Bitchery and being less than me is like waving a red flag in front of a bull.
Still, I'll be the bigger man and forgive you.
Holy shit, watching the ND - USF highlights, was that four turnovers in the red zone? Only losing by 3 is kind of an accomplishment after that.
Neil, you're a tool and a loser with a tired, pathetic schtick. :)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 03, 2011, 08:35:32 PM
You provoked me by being a little bitch.
QuoteYou should really work on not being such a huge tool.
hth, douchebag
hth?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2011, 08:53:44 PM
hth?
Hope that helps.
Hey Tim, I've been meaning to ask: I never watched any TV when I was in Korea (only three days). What kind of football games do you get over there? Are they on TV, or do you stream them, or what?
E: Holy shit Gilbert
holy shit don't just throw the ball backwards while you're getting sacked
The Beavers lost to Sacramento State, in Corvallis. :lmfao:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2011, 08:53:44 PM
hth?
Hope that helps.
Hey Tim, I've been meaning to ask: I never watched any TV when I was in Korea (only three days). What kind of football games do you get over there? Are they on TV, or do you stream them, or what?
E: Holy shit Gilbert holy shit don't just throw the ball backwards while you're getting sacked
Stream ESPN via ATDHENET, I've got the Boise st. game on now.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2011, 09:17:40 PM
Stream ESPN via ATDHENET, I've got the Boise st. game on now.
Right on. You know, after watching the LHN streaming the last couple of days, I've noticed the quality of the various feeds seems to have gone up quite a bit. I was looking at this thing called Play On so I can eyeball online games (ESPN3, etc) on my TV.
Oh here we go. Rice just downed a punt on the....well it's like the length of the ball outside of the endzone. I can't wait to see what Gilbert does here. :hide:
Boise State is looking good, or maybe Georgia just isn't very good.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2011, 09:31:03 PM
Boise State is looking good, or maybe Georgia just isn't very good.
Yeah I have that one on across the room. Looks like Boise just scored again. Ugh.
E: :blink: Gilbert with the 50 yard pass right on the damn money. It's like good Rex/bad Rex out there.
My bad, that was a ~60 yard pass. Endzone to about the 40.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2011, 09:31:03 PM
Boise State is looking good, or maybe Georgia just isn't very good.
Been telling you guys for a while now that Georgia is probably the most consistantly over-rated program in the country.
Well besides the two fumbles by the freshman, that is about what I expected. At least it wasn't Sacramento State.
Hm. Looks like Texas - Rice is going to end 34 - 9, assuming they don't run another play here in the red zone. They looked like steaming shit at the beginning, but visibly improved as the game went on (and they beat the shit out of the Rice players, which helped a lot, I'm sure heh).
18 true freshmen played for the Horns tonight.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2011, 09:31:03 PM
Georgia just isn't very good.
Georgia isn't very good. They went 6-7 last year and they lost one of the top wide receivers in the country.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2011, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 05:44:56 PM
That is why you are Utah State and they are Auburn.
:lol:
I was skimming through channels, and just learned I have the LHN, right next to Big Ten 1 and 2. :lol:
Yeah Washington and Baltimore have it and Austin does not :P the UT grads who live up there have been rubbing our noses in it.
But I watched the game anyway online. The Longhorn Network looks really good the production of the game and the commentary was fantastic. I am sure if Austin ever gets it they will be happy.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 10:28:52 PM
Hm. Looks like Texas - Rice is going to end 34 - 9, assuming they don't run another play here in the red zone. They looked like steaming shit at the beginning, but visibly improved as the game went on (and they beat the shit out of the Rice players, which helped a lot, I'm sure heh).
18 true freshmen played for the Horns tonight.
The line play is subpar on both sides, but particularly in the middle of the defense, which will be a huge problem against BYU next week. The young players have potential though. If Malcolm Brown does not get 25-30 carries a game going forward I will be shocked. I was very happy with both Harsin and Diaz with how they called the game. I was pleased but not overwhelmed over all.
The next two weeks are big. BYU and UCLA (yes I know they lost to Houston but damn it they own Texas)
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 11:02:20 PM
The line play is subpar on both sides, but particularly in the middle of the defense, which will be a huge problem against BYU next week.
Hell yeah man. The middle was soft and gooey. It was disturbing.
QuoteThe young players have potential though. If Malcolm Brown does not get 25-30 carries a game going forward I will be shocked. I was very happy with both Harsin and Diaz with how they called the game. I was pleased but not overwhelmed over all.
Malcolm Brown looks like he is going to be a damn monster, awkward fumble aside. Fozzy looked a lot faster than last year too, somehow.
QuoteThe next two weeks are big. BYU and UCLA (yes I know they lost to Houston but damn it they own Texas)
DEATH TO UCLA
UTSA photos from a couple of places:
Coming out, Coker trying not to die:
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First touchdown ever (first drive):
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Soza, QB #8 here, ended up 17/29 for 237 2TD 0INT, 14 carries for 102 1TD.
Nice! Also nice to see how UTSA will have its games on the LHN this season. CdM can watch them!
Maybe we will change it to the UT network and show all the UTs :P
BTW great way to start. I presume you are stilll in the Southland Conference for this season? What do you think your chances are?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 11:09:46 PM
Malcolm Brown looks like he is going to be a damn monster, awkward fumble aside. Fozzy looked a lot faster than last year too, somehow.
Fozzy sucks if he has to break tackles so using him in those weird plays Harsin likes to run is a good use for him. Really he is a wonderful utility back. Brown is the every down workhorse and that fumble was a botched handoff from McCoy the Younger so probably nothing to worry about.
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 11:15:35 PM
Nice! Also nice to see how UTSA will have its games on the LHN this season. CdM can watch them!
Haha I didn't think about that. CdM watching UTSA football? Awesome. :lol:
QuoteMaybe we will change it to the UT network and show all the UTs :P
Man, this channel would rule. UT, UTEP, and UTSA with football games showing up on there? Nothing but good news for the LHN, even if it's just people who are curious to see WTF is going on in the lesser conferences and divisions. Distributors can't say there are only two football games on there anymore, like DirecTV noted a few days ago. Mooks.
QuoteBTW great way to start. I presume you are stilll in the Southland Conference for this season? What do you think your chances are?
They're 1AA Independent this year. I think they had to bail from the Southland because they're leaving for the WAC so soon or something . IIRC, Texas State is now an independent as well. I guess the Southland was real pissy about it.
As far as how they'll do, they've sneakily padded their schedule with three more lesser teams (D-II, D-III, and NAIA types), and after this one, I'm fairly confident they'll handle those. The rest are against regular 1AA squads like Sam Houston State and McNeese, so I dunno. Their offense is weird. There's some familiar (for us) spread zone read stuff, but then they'll run out and line up in the pistol, which I don't like for some reason. Only 10 games this season, so with a couple of Ws over the 1AA teams (and with Ws in the ones they're supposed to be winning), they're looking at 6-4. Sweet butter.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 08:51:45 PM
Holy shit, watching the ND - USF highlights, was that four turnovers in the red zone? Only losing by 3 is kind of an accomplishment after that.
Yeah, three of which were inside the 10 yard line. Disgusting.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 11:29:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 11:15:35 PM
Nice! Also nice to see how UTSA will have its games on the LHN this season. CdM can watch them!
Haha I didn't think about that. CdM watching UTSA football? Awesome. :lol:
UTEP and UTSA I can handle, but those orange faggits...nope.
First experience with LHN today: flipped on just in time to watch a story on that TE that had his knee turned into a flamingo leg last season. :x
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2011, 11:35:30 PM
UTEP and UTSA I can handle, but those orange faggits...nope.
First experience with LHN today: flipped on just in time to watch a story on that TE that had his knee turned into a flamingo leg last season. :x
Oh Irby? That was
nasty. They caught that in HD slo-mo close up, almost like the McGahee thing (except for the HD part).
Surprised that nobody mentioned the LSU-Oregon game the last couple pages.
Not surprised Neil was doing his Canadian self-loathing projection schtick the last couple pages.
Ducks got fucked by SEC speed. Suck on it, Quack10.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2011, 11:38:34 PM
Surprised that nobody mentioned the LSU-Oregon game the last couple pages.
Not surprised Neil was doing his Canadian self-loathing projection schtick the last couple pages.
Ducks got fucked by SEC speed. Suck on it, Quack10.
SEC speed got wacked by BYU and BOise State though.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 11:37:11 PM
Oh Irby? That was nasty. They caught that in HD slo-mo close up, almost like the McGahee thing (except for the HD part).
Yeah, sorta compelling the way his leg actually moved back and to the left. Like the Zapruder film in 1080p.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2011, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 08:51:45 PM
Holy shit, watching the ND - USF highlights, was that four turnovers in the red zone? Only losing by 3 is kind of an accomplishment after that.
Yeah, three of which were inside the 10 yard line. Disgusting.
And one of which was returned for a touchdown.
Rough start but I think ND can get something going this year.
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2011, 11:38:34 PM
Surprised that nobody mentioned the LSU-Oregon game the last couple pages.
Not surprised Neil was doing his Canadian self-loathing projection schtick the last couple pages.
Ducks got fucked by SEC speed. Suck on it, Quack10.
SEC speed got wacked by BYU and BOise State though.
Even a starving squirrel finds a nut or two in Week 1.
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 11:42:21 PM
Rough start but I think ND can get something going this year.
They better start pretty fucking soon then.
Much to the chagrin of ND haters, they'll probably only fall from #15 to #18 after this loss. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2011, 11:39:36 PM
Yeah, sorta compelling the way his leg actually moved back and to the left. Like the Zapruder film in 1080p.
Aw man. With this description, I just had to throw out a google search for that to see it again, and :x :bleeding: why do I do this to myself
At least he was finally back tonight. Didn't do anything though, I don't think, aside from one drop.
Valmy, what did you think of Gilbert tonight?
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 11:39:28 PM
SEC speed got wacked by BYU and BOise State though.
You're reaching. Those teams both had much better records than their opponents last year.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2011, 11:47:47 PM
Valmy, what did you think of Gilbert tonight?
Well he was not horrible. Which is a vast improvement from last year. He made some nice throws.
He missed a Mike Davis wide open deep and botched some easy throws though. Basically his game would have been a positive one for a Freshman but he is a Junior. I know it is a new offense but it seems like we have been waiting a really long time for him to figure this thing out. I have my doubts this guy is ever going to be a great one. I think we should have gone with somebody who can be great rather than safely mediocre. But hey Gilbert will have a whole season to prove me wrong.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 03, 2011, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 11:39:28 PM
SEC speed got wacked by BYU and BOise State though.
You're reaching. Those teams both had much better records than their opponents last year.
I was just playing around with CdM and his SEC hubris. Losing to Boise State is nothing to be ashamed of.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2011, 11:43:47 PM
They better start pretty fucking soon then.
Well they gave USF the freaking game. Maybe because they love the Holtz family so much.
I'm so totally pumped for Miami-Maryland on Monday night, new shitty uniforms be damned. It's gonna be Terp Time.
Entrance video! It's like you were there! Only like if your hearing was maybe a little messed up. This dude seems to have been sitting just a bit to the right of me. :hmm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIcckV5FHPY
First TD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHitI1A-mk&NR=1
AWESOME DUDE WOOO
QuoteBasically his game would have been a positive one for a Freshman but he is a Junior.
Haha this was something that came to mind while I was watching. "Hm. Gilbert isn't doing too badly, except for <screwup 1>, <screwup 2>, <etc>. A couple more years and he could be a bada................wait.................."
Lol
http://twitpic.com/6fpiqm
Wyoming completely trounced Div 1AA (whatever the fuck that level is called) Weber State 35-32!
I see at least 3, maybe 4 wins this year, perhaps some over Div 1 opponents (Not sure if New Mexico or UNLV count as Div 1). True freshman quarterback looked very good, the defense apparantly has a new philosophy of the "Paul Westhead" system...
I really hope it was young team jitters and a lesser team coming to Laramie and playing above their heads, or this is gonna be a long year - I mean, Grumbler in the RichRod era kinda long...
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 03, 2011, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2011, 11:39:28 PM
SEC speed got wacked by BYU and BOise State though.
You're reaching. Those teams both had much better records than their opponents last year.
I don't buy into the SEC speed hype all that much, but one of those teams that got whacked was Georgia. You watch their offense, you get the feeling that Mark Richt wishes he was coaching a Big Ten team during the "3 yards and a clould of dust" era, except that he'd really prefer 2 yards and a cloud of dust.
Georgia is dead to me.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 04, 2011, 01:09:49 PM
Georgia is dead to me.
They've always been dead to me. Except for the Herschel Walker years.
For Valmy, the meth endzone:
I'm not liking Maryland's uniform/helmet combo I don't think. Then again, they might have gone so far beyond terrible that they circled back around to cool.
E: The Terps offense is rolling though. *hits submit, false start on the O*
Holy fuck, my eyes were raped.
As I read the furor about Oklahoma wanting in the Pac-Whatevah, I am wondering if Texas might be tempted to go to the Big-Whatevah instead. Eyeballing the distances, it doesn't seem they would be traveling that much further (other than when they go to some other P-W school in Texas) and the maximum distances are certainly less.
Plus, they'd fit better in the B-W, and the B-W has a better business model.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 05, 2011, 07:00:33 PM
I'm not liking Maryland's uniform/helmet combo I don't think. Then again, they might have gone so far beyond terrible that they circled back around to cool.
Yeah, at first I was like, oh man...then it was, hmmmm...that's pretty nifty.
Of course, I'd have been fine with an all-Calvert Catholic cross motif, since that side looks cool as if the Templars had a Maltese campus in the ACC, and skip the Lord Baltimore theme.
Touchdown Terpies.
Christ Danny, you could've mailed that one in.
Wow. The Terps need to stop fucking around in the red zone. Miami with the lead all of the sudden.
Fat guy TDs are awesome
Quote from: grumbler on September 05, 2011, 07:07:56 PM
As I read the furor about Oklahoma wanting in the Pac-Whatevah, I am wondering if Texas might be tempted to go to the Big-Whatevah instead. Eyeballing the distances, it doesn't seem they would be traveling that much further (other than when they go to some other P-W school in Texas) and the maximum distances are certainly less.
Plus, they'd fit better in the B-W, and the B-W has a better business model.
I figured Texas for an independent with that TV contract, no sure how that would work out with the BCS though.
Quote from: grumbler on September 05, 2011, 07:07:56 PM
As I read the furor about Oklahoma wanting in the Pac-Whatevah, I am wondering if Texas might be tempted to go to the Big-Whatevah instead. Eyeballing the distances, it doesn't seem they would be traveling that much further (other than when they go to some other P-W school in Texas) and the maximum distances are certainly less.
Plus, they'd fit better in the B-W, and the B-W has a better business model.
Doesn't the PAC-12 schools have such a great TV contract that they'd make more money there.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2011, 08:45:03 PM
Doesn't the PAC-12 schools have such a great TV contract that they'd make more money there.
No. The Pac 12, if everything goes there way, will be distributing $21 million per school in 2016. The Big Ten distributed $22 million to each team in 2009, and more last year . The Pac-12 is getting $3 billion over 12 years from ABC; The Big Ten gets $220 million a year through 2015 from ABC/ESPN, and then will either renew the contract for bigger bucks or just broadcast through the BTN.
The Pac 12 could end up with some big bucks if their regional networks (100% owned by the Pac 12, unlike the BTN which is only 51% owned by the Big Ten) turn out to be cash cows, but that isn't likely. The Big Ten will continue to make more money per team for the foreseeable future.
Nights like this I miss Dorsey4Heisman.
Quote from: sbr on September 05, 2011, 08:24:53 PM
I figured Texas for an independent with that TV contract, no sure how that would work out with the BCS though.
The only way I could see Texas doing that is if a conference let them be Independent for Football like Notre Dame in the Big East. So I do not expect that to happen.
Quote from: PDH on September 05, 2011, 06:00:14 PM
For Valmy, the meth endzone:
So much state pride there :weep:
Man takes me back. Pity Texas is never going back to Laramie :(
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2011, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 05, 2011, 08:24:53 PM
I figured Texas for an independent with that TV contract, no sure how that would work out with the BCS though.
The only way I could see Texas doing that is if a conference let them be Independent for Football like Notre Dame in the Big East. So I do not expect that to happen.
I tend to forget about other college sports. I guess you are right. :blush:
Texas to the ACC? :bleeding:
That's fucking retarded. I hope like hell that rumor isn't true.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1261031
EDIT: Actually, I hope it does happen and that the LHN destroys an other conference within a year.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 06, 2011, 01:56:31 AM
Texas to the ACC? :bleeding:
That's fucking retarded. I hope like hell that rumor isn't true.
Well, they'd be almost guaranteed a BCS game every year. Even last year's Texas team might have won the ACC championship. :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on September 05, 2011, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2011, 08:45:03 PM
Doesn't the PAC-12 schools have such a great TV contract that they'd make more money there.
No. The Pac 12, if everything goes there way, will be distributing $21 million per school in 2016. The Big Ten distributed $22 million to each team in 2009, and more last year . The Pac-12 is getting $3 billion over 12 years from ABC; The Big Ten gets $220 million a year through 2015 from ABC/ESPN, and then will either renew the contract for bigger bucks or just broadcast through the BTN.
The Pac 12 could end up with some big bucks if their regional networks (100% owned by the Pac 12, unlike the BTN which is only 51% owned by the Big Ten) turn out to be cash cows, but that isn't likely. The Big Ten will continue to make more money per team for the foreseeable future.
The Pac-12 deal is through Fox and ESPN, not ABC. It starts this year, not in 2016. And they will be getting $21 million/school at least, and more if everything goes their way.
ABC will carry games as part of its partnership with Fox, IIRC.
The regional network is rather likely to be a cash cow, since the three networks (ESPN, Fox, and Pac-12) will divide up every single football and basketball game between them. 100% coverage. This goes well beyond football as well, and of course the Pac-12 own the network, and potentially more importantly, owns the digital rights as well.
I don't know if each school will rake in more than the B10 schools, but it will certainly be in the range of the B10, with potential to come out ahead.
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2011, 10:37:16 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 05, 2011, 06:00:14 PM
For Valmy, the meth endzone:
So much state pride there :weep:
Man takes me back. Pity Texas is never going back to Laramie :(
When both are in the Rather Large 16 conference they will come here every other year!
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2011, 08:51:46 AM
The Pac-12 deal is through Fox and ESPN, not ABC. It starts this year, not in 2016. And they will be getting $21 million/school at least, and more if everything goes their way.
All the news reports have it starting in 2012, not this year. It will probably be worth about $225 million per year, or about $18+change million per school. The actual amount depends on advertising sold, of course, so the hypothesized Pac 12 numbers are not nearly as solid as the demonstrated Big Ten numbers. And those Big Ten numbers are for the past, not the present.
QuoteThe regional network is rather likely to be a cash cow, since the three networks (ESPN, Fox, and Pac-12) will divide up every single football and basketball game between them. 100% coverage. This goes well beyond football as well, and of course the Pac-12 own the network, and potentially more importantly, owns the digital rights as well.
The regional network is rather unlikely to be a cash cow, as it won't have the games covered by the TV contract and will be carried on premium channels. The dream that the Pac 12 can sell the rights to their valuable games and also keep their rights for their own channels is silly. There is a huge question as to whether the Pac 12 can put up with the cash drain required to get new networks going with re-runs of prime-time big sports and exclusive coverage of sports the major networks deem too specialized for any cable channel.
The LHN is be the best example of the type of success that that the regionalized Pac 12 networks will have, and so far that example isn't encouraging.
QuoteI don't know if each school will rake in more than the B10 schools, but it will certainly be in the range of the B10, with potential to come out ahead.
It could pull ahead if all the breaks go its way. I don't think that will be the case though, and suspect that, as a TV network, the Pac 12 will be a good athletic conference. In the meantime, the Pac 12 will have a deal close to, but better than, that of the SEC (also about $18 million per school, but retaining no rights), but not very close (right now) to that of the Big Ten (which, if we are throwing BB games in, gets an extra $1+ million per school from CBS, for a total TV deal of over $23 million per school, or about $4-5 million more per school per year in 2009 than the Pac 12 will give in 2012 or 2013.
As noted, there are some things that would allow parity with the Big Ten, but some aren't really under Pac 12 control.
So TP went to Oakland? Yeah. Seems fitting.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2011, 10:17:28 PM
Nights like this I miss Dorsey4Heisman.
qft
love the new terpiforms
the only thing that comes close to miami losing is when the gators lose
this could be a very good season :)
i was shocked at how slow miami looked defensively...
I'm not prepare to accept that the terps suddenly developed team speed
Missouri Western players save a baby. ^_^
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/06/amazing-mizzouri-western-players-rescue-baby-from-locked-car/related/
Baylor's threatening to sue the SEC. If I was them my terms for settling would be to take Baylor as well! :D
I am afraid that Arizona is going to get sodomized tomorrow by Okie State....
Quote from: Berkut on September 07, 2011, 09:53:42 AM
I am afraid that Arizona is going to get sodomized tomorrow by Okie State....
The beginning of a wonderful new annual tradition!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 07, 2011, 09:38:30 AM
Baylor's threatening to sue the SEC. If I was them my terms for settling would be to take Baylor as well! :D
My God Tim.
Quote from: Valmy on September 07, 2011, 10:18:21 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 07, 2011, 09:38:30 AM
Baylor's threatening to sue the SEC. If I was them my terms for settling would be to take Baylor as well! :D
My God Tim.
:unsure:
The cops are catching some heat for kicking student ass at the first game:
QuoteThe San Antonio police department arrested eight students, amongst many, who rushed toward the players. Known as "Eight Runners," the students were given criminal trespassing citations and $800 fines.
While none of the detainees decided to comment on their experience with the police because of pending court cases, many spectators considered some police officers to be vicious as performing their duty. These reports include a police officer hitting an already subdued student in the back of the head, while another smacked a student in the face as he was rushing to the players.
http://www.paisano-online.com/news/police-show-unnecessary-roughness-1.2576157
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 07, 2011, 07:43:57 PM
The cops are catching some heat for kicking student ass at the first game:
QuoteThe San Antonio police department arrested eight students, amongst many, who rushed toward the players. Known as "Eight Runners," the students were given criminal trespassing citations and $800 fines.
While none of the detainees decided to comment on their experience with the police because of pending court cases, many spectators considered some police officers to be vicious as performing their duty. These reports include a police officer hitting an already subdued student in the back of the head, while another smacked a student in the face as he was rushing to the players.
http://www.paisano-online.com/news/police-show-unnecessary-roughness-1.2576157
Shoulda just tasered them. Repeatedly.
Quote from: dps on September 07, 2011, 07:46:55 PM
Shoulda just tasered them. Repeatedly.
With the crowd that was down there, they might have been able to tase multiple students at once, which....well that would have been hilarious.
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I had forgotten Dan Buckner went to Arizona.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 08, 2011, 09:44:15 PM
I had forgotten Dan Buckner went to Arizona.
For some reason I had a very strong dislike for that dude. Even more so after that spectacular fail against Nebraska in the Big 12 title game a couple years back.
Glad he and the other no-hands wideouts Texas kept recruiting are gone.
But man Berkut called this one. Oklahoma State is taking out all its fury with Stoops on his brother.
Quote from: Valmy on September 08, 2011, 09:57:12 PM
For some reason I had a very strong dislike for that dude. Even more so after that spectacular fail against Nebraska in the Big 12 title game a couple years back.
Glad he and the other no-hands wideouts Texas kept recruiting are gone.
Well hell...he just caught a TD pass. wtf Dan
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 08, 2011, 09:58:21 PM
Well hell...he just caught a TD pass. wtf Dan
Yeah maybe a year sitting on the bench gave him a chance to do those hand drills.
By the way how about Woodson slugging David Thomas in the NFL game?
Quote from: Valmy on September 08, 2011, 10:00:59 PM
By the way how about Woodson slugging David Thomas in the NFL game?
I missed that. Must have been while I was watching the other game. What happened? Just post play shenanigans?
Oh the UTSA football games on the LHN...thing....is official:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=6944971
:) I didn't think Saturday's game was going to be included, but it is, so that's cool.
Quote from: Valmy on September 08, 2011, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 08, 2011, 09:58:21 PM
Well hell...he just caught a TD pass. wtf Dan
Yeah maybe a year sitting on the bench gave him a chance to do those hand drills.
We actually have pretty high expectations out of Buckner this year. He is supposed to be the guy who gets paid for the double teams on Juron Criner.
Taiwan's take on Nevin Shapiro! :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XpEtaEfB80&feature=player_embedded
Holy crap, FIU is raping Louisville through the air on ESPN.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 09, 2011, 06:59:39 PM
Holy crap, FIU is raping Louisville through the air on ESPN.
Just turned it on. I'm pleased with the score so far, and hope they can hold on.
Louisville didn't look so hot against <1AA Team> in week one either. FIU kicked the shit out of North Texas (which is basically a 1AA team).
e: Okay that was a horseshit PI call that gave Louisville a free first down on 3rd and 13 or so. Didn't matter since FIU stopped them on 4th down a few plays later, but still.
:yuk: Don't like the numbers on Arizona State's new uniforms. Gradients are terrible. The little pitchforks by the numbers on the field (instead of arrows) are kind of a neat touch though.
Go Devils.
Hm. 7-3 ASU. Missouri doesn't seem to be able to cover downfield and their center just basically rolled a 7 yard snap back to the QB. Arizona State has already missed a FG, but has been moving the ball pretty well (as did Mizzou on the last drive).
Hey announcers, I'm not quite sure how tall the ASU QB is. Could you please tell me for the 15th time?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 09, 2011, 09:39:00 PM
:yuk: Don't like the numbers on Arizona State's new uniforms. Gradients are terrible. The little pitchforks by the numbers on the field (instead of arrows) are kind of a neat touch though.
Go Devils.
Hm. 7-3 ASU. Missouri doesn't seem to be able to cover downfield and their center just basically rolled a 7 yard snap back to the QB. Arizona State has already missed a FG, but has been moving the ball pretty well (as did Mizzou on the last drive).
Hey announcers, I'm not quite sure how tall the ASU QB is. Could you please tell me for the 15th time?
How tall is he?
16-10 ASU at the half. With the way their offense was moving the ball, the Sun Devils can't be too happy about those 16 points. They're also playing like a bunch of no tackling dumbasses on D. With about 1:00 left in the half and Mizzou trying to just run the clock out, the Tigers ended up eventually attempting (and missing) a long field goal after ASU gave up a long run and handed them 35 free yards with retarded penalties.
Tim, he might be 6'8" but I'm not certain. They need to tell me a few more times. Prior to this game, I had never heard announcers get excited about 1 yard QB dives at midfield. Tessitore is a fucking moron who seems to just occasionally start screaming about random events though, so that might be all that was.
Edit: Oh wow. Speaking of no tackling D, an ASU player just sort of bumped into the Mizzou running back, then just stood there and watched him run away. It was this dude Burfict who they keep talking about like he's good or something, but who really seems to suck.
Those new helmets Arizona st. are wearing are pretty boss. :cool:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 09, 2011, 11:48:39 PM
Those new helmets Arizona st. are wearing are pretty boss. :cool:
Yeah I dig those, but at the same time I miss the little devil dude they used to have on there.
Lots of flags getting tossed out in this one.
30-16 ASU. Get some.
edit: oh wow that was a really nice pass and throw for the Missouri TD after the muffed punt and retardery on D by ASU.
Arizona State now appears to be trying to give this away.
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What a douche. This game is pretty entertaining though.
Edit: Jesus christ nice D ASU. :lol:
And Missouri ices their own kicker on the game winning try. Very nice. An excellent time to burn both of your remaining time outs, Pinkel. :lmfao: Arizona State wins in OT.
:D
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/211440/20110909/texas-a-m-baylor-billboard.htm
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:bleeding::bleeding::bleeding:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3430884&pagenumber=85#post395350266
Gosh I'm so glad A&M exists.
I still, kind of, want to know how you "get revenge" with these jars. Hope she saw my question at the bottom of the page. Kind of. It might be better to just....not know.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 01:41:09 AM
Gosh I'm so glad A&M exists.
I still, kind of, want to know how you "get revenge" with these jars. Hope she saw my question at the bottom of the page.
I just quoted with "Dump it on their room?" to bring it on to the next page.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2011, 01:46:45 AM
I just quoted with "Dump it on their room?" to bring it on to the next page.
God, that's so gross.
edit: Seriously, considering who we're talking about here, I honestly wouldn't be too terribly surprised if the answer was something along the lines of "Dump it all over myself in front of them then rub up against them! Why? Doesn't that happen at schools everywhere?"
Hey there she is again. She contributed the period blood "for laughs."
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 12:38:11 AM
And Missouri ices their own kicker on the game winning try. Very nice. An excellent time to burn both of your remaining time outs, Pinkel. :lmfao: Arizona State wins in OT.
Saw the last quarter and OT this morning during breakfast. Fun finish. :cool:
Just checked my live schedule for today on ESPN-A:
Oregon St at Wisconsin
Alabama at Penn St
Notre Dame at Michigan
And college game day is my satursday afternoon ritual. :blush:
Tomorrow they'll show non-live
Cincinnati at Tennessee
BYU at Texas
Luke Fickell might want to think about going into hiding if this shit continues.
Worst Ohio State O-Line ....EVAR.
Man that was an awesome win by Iowa State over Iowa. Say what you want about the Big 12 but they have some great QBs every year it seems. Even at Iowa State.
That was a great win for Iowa State. For some reason I don't hate them like I do the rest of the Big XII.
Also, I'm strangely angry at how Mississippi State seemingly got totally screwed out of a TD, then nearly screwed out of a time out, then ran the ball with :10 on the clock and no more TOs and screwed themselves out of another play. :hmm:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 03:21:56 PM
That was a great win for Iowa State. For some reason I don't hate them like I do the rest of the Big XII.
Also, I'm strangely angry at how Mississippi State seemingly got totally screwed out of a TD, then nearly screwed out of a time out, then ran the ball with :10 on the clock and no more TOs and screwed themselves out of another play. :hmm:
I have decided I love everybody in the Big 12 now except for A&M. Big 12 then Big 12 now and Big 12 forever. Mark Cuban convinced me. http://blogmaverick.com/2011/09/04/so-what-should-big-12-schools-do-say-no-to-super-conferences/
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2011, 03:23:54 PM
I have decided I love everybody in the Big 12 now except for A&M. Big 12 then Big 12 now and Big 12 forever. Mark Cuban convinced me. http://blogmaverick.com/2011/09/04/so-what-should-big-12-schools-do-say-no-to-super-conferences/
Hm. I don't like Mark Cuban either, but I can't really disagree with him there.
UTSA seems to have woken up in the second half and is leading now at the beginning of the 4th. Crowd is estimated at 31,600 for this one, so a big drop off from the first game (56,700), but not bad, especially considering they didn't have the entire upper deck open (I saw someone who was saying they only had the part across from the cameras open).
Arrgh a couple of possessions for both teams later, they gave up a blocked punt for a TD. That was a crappy drive to begin with, then they capped it off with
that. Oh now they just recovered a muffed punt on the McMurry ~45 and are down in the redzone after a couple running plays. Interesting game.
Woo touchdown Roadrunners! 21-17 UTSA now. 3:02 left though. Lots of time.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 10, 2011, 12:18:50 PM
Worst Ohio State O-Line ....EVAR.
And Ohio State once lost to Michigan 86-0.
This year I think it is just one game at a time. Got to grind out every win just like Texas has to.
The McMurry QB just caught his own deflected pass, then got smashed. Ooh and now a sack. 1:30 left, ballgame for McMurry on this upcoming 4th down play.
Man this Alabama Penn State thing is a miss match.
FUUUUUUUUCK the QB got the pass out just in time for a huge gain all the way to the UTSA 30. :bleeding:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :bleeding::bleeding::bleeding::bleeding::bleeding:
Barring a miracle, UTSA is no longer undefeated (:P)
Haha UTSA managed to get the ball from their own 45 to the 19 on the last second OH GOD LATERAL IT WHEREVER play, but couldn't pull off the miracle.
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2011, 04:02:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 10, 2011, 12:18:50 PM
Worst Ohio State O-Line ....EVAR.
And Ohio State once lost to Michigan 86-0.
This year I think it is just one game at a time. Got to grind out every win just like Texas has to.
They pull this shit next week, the U will gently rape them.
And Luke Fickell better have a thick skin. Columbus sports radio will be amusing Monday.
I am totally loving South Carolina's defense this season. They may just be deep enough to win the big matchups in November.
Hey Rice got a W against Purdue.
Texas O immediately made me angry.
Wyoming vs mighty Texas Sate...up 17-10 at half. I weep for my program.
Garrett Gilbert has completed more passes to BYU than he has to Texas players.
Doesn't Texas have Colt's kid brother in the wings?
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 10, 2011, 06:55:30 PM
Doesn't Texas have Colt's kid brother in the wings?
They do, but they have this other dude, Ash, who has been getting some spot duty and who looks really good.
Michigan just jinxed themselves by wearing different uniforms.
Obviously, this rule does not apply to the Irish.
Oh lordy. Georgia QQ just done fucked up.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 06:57:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 10, 2011, 06:55:30 PM
Doesn't Texas have Colt's kid brother in the wings?
They do, but they have this other dude, Ash, who has been getting some spot duty and who looks really good.
They naming these people after Pokemans characters now?
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 10, 2011, 07:00:38 PM
Oh lordy. Georgia QQ just done fucked up.
Hehehehe, yeah.
Wow. South Carolina turned that game around quick. That guy was totally untouched coming up the middle.
Oh look Garrett Gilbert is back out and is air mailing passes over open WRs. The guy must have some pictures of Mack Brown or something, because, really, what does he have to do to get benched?
Garrett Gilbert 2/8 8 1.0 0 2
David Ash 1/1 26 26.0 0 0
I understand Ash is a freshman and is going to make freshman mistakes, but it can't be much worse than how Gilbert is playing, right?
Loving the SC-Georgia game. Particularly if the Gamecocks hold on to win.
McCoy and Ash warming up on the sidelines! :w00t:
I've fucking sick of hearing how Sunday Countdown has expanded to 3 hours. EVERY FUCKING COMMERCIAL BREAK.
The show sucks.
Lattimore, first down. If SC wins this, as it looks like they will now, Georgia's entire program is going to melt down.
Fresno leads Nebraska. Bo Pelini is gonna stroke out if this shit keeps up.
The BYU QB just threw it straight to a Texas DB with no BYU players in the area. Strange.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 07:19:14 PM
The BYU QB just threw it straight to a Texas DB with no BYU players in the area. Strange.
The Mormon god told him to.
Quote from: PDH on September 10, 2011, 07:25:15 PM
The Mormon god told him to.
:D
"Face" McCoy just led them on a mini scoring drive! Progress!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 07:14:27 PM
Lattimore, first down. If SC wins this, as it looks like they will now, Georgia's entire program is going to melt down.
Possibly, but Georgia's dumbass fans will be as delusional as ever.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 10, 2011, 07:25:15 PM
The Mormon god told him to.
:D
As a Wyoming fan, I will hate BYU with a burning passion for their whining, their lies, their idiocy for all time. Boise State is a poor, poor replacement for the hate.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 07:05:01 PM
Oh look Garrett Gilbert is back out and is air mailing passes over open WRs. The guy must have some pictures of Mack Brown or something, because, really, what does he have to do to get benched?
Garrett Gilbert 2/8 8 1.0 0 2
David Ash 1/1 26 26.0 0 0
I understand Ash is a freshman and is going to make freshman mistakes, but it can't be much worse than how Gilbert is playing, right?
Oh no! We suck again!
Gilbert is just a bad player. I am amazed we ever recruited a guy so obviously lacking in ability to do the basic things a QB should do. Like get the ball to a wide open dude. There is a difference between making mistakes and just being horrible.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 07:19:14 PM
The BYU QB just threw it straight to a Texas DB with no BYU players in the area. Strange.
Obviously he thought he wideout was going to zig and he zagged.
The DB still almost dropped it of course...it looks like he caught it with his crotch.
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2011, 07:52:30 PM
Obviously he thought he wideout was going to zig and he zagged.
The DB still almost dropped it of course...it looks like he caught it with his crotch.
He looked surprised.
I want Ash in there for the second half and the rest of the season, with Case as the backup. No more of this rotating shit. Gilbert needs to transfer or something.
Bill obviously didn't hook those horns this week.
I sense a lack of focusness-ess.
Wow they looked totally different on their opening drive of the second half, even with the rotating QBs.
:!: Texas scores a TD. :!:
:cry:
Damn, Notre Dame's been snake bit down in the red zone this year.
Texas if you lose this one vs BYU I promise, PROMISE, that I won't cheer for you next season.
Quote from: PDH on September 10, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
Texas if you lose this one vs BYU I promise, PROMISE, that I won't cheer for you next season.
They'll win it. They just were on a Gilbert there for a bit.
Quote from: PDH on September 10, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
Texas if you lose this one vs BYU I promise, PROMISE, that I won't cheer for you next season.
Win or lose, at least Gilbert is done. They're looking pretty good now though. Kinda wish they'd taken the FG on the last drive instead of handing it off to Cody "SloMo" Johnson.
MCCOY2SHIPLEY
That was a fantastic catch.
Wyoming beats mighty Texas (st) 45-10. I am now sure Wyoming will lose vs Bowling Green and Nebraska in the next two weeks but STILL be at .500!
Okay. The new Shipley is for real.
I give him shit, but Cody Johnson is actually using his size this year. Nice job on the TD run.
Wow, freaky looking. :(
http://i51.tinypic.com/vwqvxh.gif
McCoy/Shipley 2.0
McCoy to Shipley...it just feels right.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2011, 08:47:51 PM
Wow, freaky looking. :(
http://i51.tinypic.com/vwqvxh.gif
Oh is that Kill? Damn that's not good at all.
Auburn beat Mississippi State! I'm very surprised after their performance last week.
Far too many Texas fans around here. You all need to collectively STFU. Nobdody gives a shit about that shitty ass program.
And go Aggies. That's right, I went there. Fuck you.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 08:52:42 PM
Far too many Texas fans around here. You all need to collectively STFU. Nobdody gives a shit about that shitty ass program.
And go Aggies. That's right, I went there. Fuck you.
You do seem to be kind of.....Aggie.
Edit: Tim did you happen to catch the shenanigans at the end of that Auburn - Mississippi State game?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 08:55:16 PM
You do seem to be kind of.....Aggie.
I respect geologists wearing uniforms, and building log bonfire piles big enough to kill people.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 08:52:42 PM
Far too many Texas fans around here. You all need to collectively STFU. Nobdody gives a shit about that shitty ass program.
And go Aggies. That's right, I went there. Fuck you.
You do seem to be kind of.....Aggie.
Edit: Tim did you happen to catch the shenanigans at the end of that Auburn - Mississippi State game?
Yeah, QB should have passed the ball there instead of trying to run it in.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 08:56:43 PM
I respect geologists wearing uniforms, and building log bonfire piles big enough to kill people.
Git yer grode jar ready! WHOOP!!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2011, 08:58:20 PM
Yeah, QB should have passed the ball there instead of trying to run it in.
Yeah, that was...confusing, although I don't know anything about Miss State, so maybe their QB sucks at throwing or something.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 08:52:42 PM
Far too many Texas fans around here. You all need to collectively STFU. Nobdody gives a shit about that shitty ass program.
And go Aggies. That's right, I went there. Fuck you.
I wont believe it until you squeeze your testicles until you cry.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 09:00:52 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2011, 08:58:20 PM
Yeah, QB should have passed the ball there instead of trying to run it in.
Yeah, that was...confusing, although I don't know anything about Miss State, so maybe their QB sucks at throwing or something.
They run the option. If he had pitched it, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2011, 09:01:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 08:52:42 PM
Far too many Texas fans around here. You all need to collectively STFU. Nobdody gives a shit about that shitty ass program.
And go Aggies. That's right, I went there. Fuck you.
I wont believe it until you squeeze your testicles until you cry.
I've been doing that every year since Tim Brown graduated from Notre Dame, thank you.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2011, 08:58:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 08:56:43 PM
I respect geologists wearing uniforms, and building log bonfire piles big enough to kill people.
Git yer grode jar ready! WHOOP!!
:lol: Aggies are never gonna live that down!
^^Haha it's just more ammo to use against them. Really gross ammo. ^^
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 09:02:57 PM
I've been doing that every year since Tim Brown graduated from Notre Dame, thank you.
:lol:
Samantha Steele gives me a boner.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 10, 2011, 09:16:26 PM
Samantha Steele gives me a boner.
She's definitely smokin hot. Good pickup for the LHN.
Yet another reason to watch that channel.
I dig the oldschool caps the refs are wearing in the Notre Dame - Michigan game.
What are the fucking odds!? :bleeding:
WTF!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 10, 2011, 09:48:51 PM
What are the fucking odds!? :bleeding:
I'm so motherfucking sick and tired of you ruining my Notre Dame with your Timmay Taint bullshit.
I swear to motherfucking Christ, If I ever met you in a Languish meet, I would break your jaw at introductions and happily go and wait at the police station for them to wake you up to take the complaint.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 09:02:57 PM
I've been doing that every year since Tim Brown graduated from Notre Dame, thank you.
Holy shit. That game there at least was one kick in the balls. Sorry man.
My God, what a game :lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 10, 2011, 10:40:01 PM
My God, what a game :lol:
That...well....I can never remember an ending where the defenses looked so inept. I mean really?
VERY happy I decided to watch that sucker. :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2011, 10:41:18 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 10, 2011, 10:40:01 PM
My God, what a game :lol:
That...well....I can never remember an ending where the defenses looked so inept. I mean really?
Fuck it it's
edit: college football :lmfao:
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 10, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2011, 10:41:18 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 10, 2011, 10:40:01 PM
My God, what a game :lol:
That...well....I can never remember an ending where the defenses looked so inept. I mean really?
Fuck it it's football :lmfao:
I was sitting there thinking 'I cannot believe what it is I am seeing'.
Just a...wild game.
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2011, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 09:02:57 PM
I've been doing that every year since Tim Brown graduated from Notre Dame, thank you.
Holy shit. That game there at least was one kick in the balls. Sorry man.
The only way they were going to stop Robinson tonight was if they managed to hit him with a Chevy in the stadium parking lot before the game. Guy's more maddening than Vick or Stewart ever were.
0-2.
9 turnovers in 2 games.
Giving up an 80 yard TD drive in 30 seconds.
Season: FIN.
Texas won, so that is unfortunate, but on the other hand Notre Dame got spanked, so the day is a mixed bag.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
0-2.
9 turnovers in 2 games.
Giving up an 80 yard TD drive in 30 seconds.
Season: FIN.
Some people (lots of 'em, actually) were predicting a BCS bowl for the Irish this year. Now, it's gonna be a struggle for them just to get bowl eligible.
EDIT: BTW, CdM, who you gonna root for on November 12?
Quote from: dps on September 10, 2011, 11:03:40 PM
EDIT: BTW, CdM, who you gonna root for on November 12?
I love my Irish, Lou Holtz is a coaching God, been watching them since my grandmother brainwashed me about faith, family and Joe Montana, but the Irish don't play in Maryland. GO TERPS.
Quote from: dps on September 10, 2011, 11:03:40 PM
Some people (lots of 'em, actually) were predicting a BCS bowl for the Irish this year. Now, it's gonna be a struggle for them just to get bowl eligible.
Yeah I figured they were still in rebuilding mode. It is not uncommon for teams in that phase to melt down like this.
If Kelly can somehow hold it together they might be alright. But yeah...no BCS game.
Quote from: Berkut on September 10, 2011, 11:00:46 PM
Texas won, so that is unfortunate, but on the other hand Notre Dame got spanked, so the day is a mixed bag.
Well you may find joy in your hatertard heart soon. Texas is young and working hard to get better but going on the road at UCLA, Iowa State and then OU in Dallas is a pretty tall order.
So never fear Berkie!
By the way how is Arizona feeling after that loss in Stillwater? I watched some of the Duke-Stanford game and Stanford didn't look unbeatable or anything. You think they have a chance at home?
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2011, 11:16:25 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 10, 2011, 11:00:46 PM
Texas won, so that is unfortunate, but on the other hand Notre Dame got spanked, so the day is a mixed bag.
Well you may find joy in your hatertard heart soon. Texas is young and working hard to get better but going on the road at UCLA, Iowa State and then OU in Dallas is a pretty tall order.
So never fear Berkie!
By the way how is Arizona feeling after that loss in Stillwater? I watched some of the Duke-Stanford game and Stanford didn't look unbeatable or anything. You think they have a chance at home?
This will be a year that I must gain whatever pathetic joy I can in despising other teams.
It's not like there will be any joy in Tucsonville otherwise, at least not until basketball season.
Quote from: Berkut on September 10, 2011, 11:29:00 PM
This will be a year that I must gain whatever pathetic joy I can in despising other teams.
It's not like there will be any joy in Tucsonville otherwise, at least not until basketball season.
Are you sure you are not over-reacting a bit here? Zona still has Nick Foles and alot of winnable games on their schedule.
Oklahoma State is really good and they were at home.
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2011, 11:33:46 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 10, 2011, 11:29:00 PM
This will be a year that I must gain whatever pathetic joy I can in despising other teams.
It's not like there will be any joy in Tucsonville otherwise, at least not until basketball season.
Are you sure you are not over-reacting a bit here? Zona still has Nick Foles and alot of winnable games on their schedule.
Oklahoma State is really good and they were at home.
I don't mind that they lost to OSU, that was expected. But I said that the game would tell us a lot about the Wildcats.
And what we found out was that the ridiculously young O-Line was not going to be some kind of miracle. They pass block ok, but there is zero running game. Our starting RB is too small, and has poor vision.
We will still score points because we have incredible depth at WR, and a gifted QB, but on the defensive side of the ball we have no line at all. No pass rush, and Stoops categorically refuses to adjust his defense (which is normally pretty good, to be fair) to the reality that he cannot generate a pass rush with any 4 of the lineman he cares to put on the field.
I cannot see Arizona winning any of the next 4 games.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 06:19:01 PM
I am totally loving South Carolina's defense this season. They may just be deep enough to win the big matchups in November.
Didn't they give up 42 points yesterday?
I'm starting to think Notre Dame has entered a permanent decline that nothing can ever end. I know, I know, it's two games into the season. It is Kelly's second season though, and I'm not seeing that he has improved the team much.
It used to be a coach was expected to take 5 years to really prove themselves, I'd say the perception these days is 3 years is the most you're going to get before getting the hook.
Notre Dame's recruiting classes have consistently been good enough that they should have been significantly better than they have been the past 10 years. Charlie Weis was obviously a bad hire who was signed to a massive contract after a moderate level of early success. Brian Kelly I thought was a good hire, but he's definitely not engineering the sort of quick turnarounds he did at his previous two stops.
Quote from: Neil on September 11, 2011, 07:42:15 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2011, 06:19:01 PM
I am totally loving South Carolina's defense this season. They may just be deep enough to win the big matchups in November.
Didn't they give up 42 points yesterday?
Subtract the points they scored, and it looks better. :P
So having not posted here a lot in past years does Berkut still advocate the position that the Pac-10 is the strongest league and the SEC is perennially overrated?
Considering LSU literally ass raped Oregon to death already this year and Auburn had no problem shutting down Oregon's offense last year I think it's really becoming obvious the physicality of the line play in the SEC, along with their dominating defense that the Pac-10 only looks decent because they do play 9 conference games every year and mostly beat each other up, but that they aren't genuinely as good as the SEC. Auburn's defense was an average SEC defense and it made Oregon's vaunted offense look like the gimmick it is.
Otto's account has been hacked by Mark May.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 11, 2011, 02:18:23 PM
Otto's account has been hacked by Mark May.
Not enough Ohio State hatred.
He's still bitter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ6eSf0nadg
72-0
:nelson:
lolz. I'd forgotten that one. I was trying to forget the giant numbers on the shoulder unis.
Hey MBM and FM there is a guy named 'P' on Shaggybevo who has some interesting things to say breaking down the offense: http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/96678-BYU-was-a-good-test-for-our-offense-%28pics-included%29
He does that pretty regularly. I am not sure he breaks it down well but it sure is an interesting read.
Man Gilbert was terrible.
Quote from: Berkut on September 10, 2011, 11:38:31 PM
I cannot see Arizona winning any of the next 4 games.
Yeah well I will check out the Stanford game if I can and see for myself.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 11, 2011, 02:44:14 PM
Not enough Ohio State hatred.
There can never be enough of that. :P
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Valmy, do you know this guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFPd6h88lbw
Quote from: derspiess on September 12, 2011, 09:51:10 AM
Valmy, do you know this guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFPd6h88lbw
I cannot view youtube at work. Who is he?
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 08:57:11 AM
Hey MBM and FM there is a guy named 'P' on Shaggybevo who has some interesting things to say breaking down the offense: http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/96678-BYU-was-a-good-test-for-our-offense-%28pics-included%29
He does that pretty regularly. I am not sure he breaks it down well but it sure is an interesting read.
Man Gilbert was terrible.
Whoa I didn't remember him hitting a DB in the face.
:hmm:
Sure hope this is true and not just a rumor.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1263940
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2011, 10:02:09 AM
Whoa I didn't remember him hitting a DB in the face.
Probably because you were just as surprised as the DB the ball was thrown that poorly. I just remember seeing Ship wide open and starting to cheer and then the ball sailed off randomly.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 12, 2011, 09:51:10 AM
Valmy, do you know this guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFPd6h88lbw
I cannot view youtube at work. Who is he?
A guy who really likes his hometown high school football team: the Knox City Greyhounds.
Quote from: derspiess on September 12, 2011, 10:08:16 AM
A guy who really likes his hometown high school football team: the Knox City Greyhounds.
Heh sounds awesome. But no I have never heard of him.
I will check it out...Bill in Sinton-esque rantings?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:05:44 AM
:hmm:
Sure hope this is true and not just a rumor.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1263940
Rumor has it they wanted the Big 10 but the Big 10 told them to fuck off. That would be awesome but probably just a rumor. Super secret Big 10 sources say Texas is going there if the Big 12 falls apart blah blah.
Anyway this conference shit is just shit until something happens.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:11:28 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:05:44 AM
:hmm:
Sure hope this is true and not just a rumor.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1263940
Rumor has it they wanted the Big 10 but the Big 10 told them to fuck off. That would be awesome but probably just a rumor.
Anyway this conference shit is just shit until something happens.
A&M to the SEC is a done deal, it's all over except for Baylor's screams, and that'll start the dominoes falling.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:14:51 AM
A&M to the SEC is a done deal, it's all over except for Baylor's screams, and that'll start the dominoes falling.
Baylor's legitimate points you mean? If the Big 12 falls apart Iowa State and Baylor and all the schools whose partners screwed them are going to get paid in court. They signed a contract and had a verbal commitment.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:14:51 AM
A&M to the SEC is a done deal, it's all over except for Baylor's screams, and that'll start the dominoes falling.
Baylor's legitimate points you mean? If the Big 12 falls apart Iowa State and Baylor and all the schools whose partners screwed them are going to get paid in court. They signed a contract and had a verbal commitment.
A&M's contract was with the Big 12, not Baylor. Baylor doesn't have grounds to sue.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:18:18 AM
A&M's contract was with the Big 12, not Baylor. Baylor doesn't have grounds to sue.
Bullshit. They are going to suffer millions of dollars in damages. It may not be A&M who gets called to the carpet but somebody will.
So Wyoming to the Big 12 isn't going to happen? :(
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:21:02 AM
Bullshit. They are going to suffer millions of dollars in damages. It may not be A&M who gets called to the carpet but somebody will.
Yeah, Baylor would be financially devastated by the loss of the Big XII and that nice new billion dollar TV contract. It's not just an "Oh well!" kind of thing for them. There is absolutely no reason for them to sign that waiver.
Quote from: PDH on September 12, 2011, 10:27:04 AM
So Wyoming to the Big 12 isn't going to happen? :(
Well it totally was and then Tim destroyed it.
I can't really blame Baylor for suing; I don't know the specifics but I can only imagine that unless the Big XII granted A&M a release or whatever it would be a clear violation of A&M's contract with the Big XII to leave...and as a constituent member of the Big XII I don't know that Baylor suing is really as zany as some might think.
Now, A&M pulls a lot more weight in Texas than Baylor so I'm sure the Texas courts will rule in A&M's favor. Depending on which school the judge went to, of course.
So far, AFAIK, they're not actually suing anyone. They're simply refusing to waive their right to do so. The SEC admitted A&M on the condition that all the Big XII schools give up their right to sue, and several of them, understandably, don't want to do so.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:29:52 AM
Quote from: PDH on September 12, 2011, 10:27:04 AM
So Wyoming to the Big 12 isn't going to happen? :(
Well it totally was and then Tim destroyed it.
Fucker ruins everything.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2011, 10:27:46 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:21:02 AM
Bullshit. They are going to suffer millions of dollars in damages. It may not be A&M who gets called to the carpet but somebody will.
Yeah, Baylor would be financially devastated by the loss of the Big XII and that nice new billion dollar TV contract. It's not just an "Oh well!" kind of thing for them. There is absolutely no reason for them to sign that waiver.
Then they can sue ESPN for violating contract. From what I've read Baylor and the rest of the small fries can add Wyoming and four other crap teams to the Big 12 and ESPN will have to keep paying through the end of the contract (2024)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:41:36 AM
Then they can sue ESPN for violating contract. From what I've read Baylor and the rest of the small fries can add Wyoming and four other crap teams to the Big 12 and ESPN will have to keep paying through the end of the contract (2024)
Why would ESPN have violated the Fox tier 2 TV contract?
Quote from: PDH on September 12, 2011, 10:39:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:29:52 AM
Quote from: PDH on September 12, 2011, 10:27:04 AM
So Wyoming to the Big 12 isn't going to happen? :(
Well it totally was and then Tim destroyed it.
Fucker ruins everything.
Look what that asshole did to Notre Dame. Been in decline since he famously declared that the IRISH WILL DEMOLISH THE BUCKEYES! for the '06 Fiesta Bowl.
Ohio State won 34-20 and ND has been in the shitter since.
Tim is a fucktard.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:41:36 AM
Then they can sue ESPN for violating contract. From what I've read Baylor and the rest of the small fries can add Wyoming and four other crap teams to the Big 12 and ESPN will have to keep paying through the end of the contract (2024)
Wow.
What a pompous douchebag you are. Crap teams? Small fries? You might have noticed Baylor and Iowa State have pretty good teams.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2011, 10:38:19 AM
So far, AFAIK, they're not actually suing anyone. They're simply refusing to waive their right to do so. The SEC admitted A&M on the condition that all the Big XII schools give up their right to sue, and several of them, understandably, don't want to do so.
Yeah but in the end Baylor has no choice. They already were using the money to expand their facilities. They have to get that money someplace.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:11:28 AM
Super secret Big 10 sources say Texas is going there if the Big 12 falls apart blah blah.
Wot Wot?
Texas in the B10 would be cool. Unlikely, but cool.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:44:24 AM
Yeah but in the end Baylor has no choice. They already were using the money to expand their facilities. They have to get that money someplace.
So was ISU, I believe.
I would have no problem with seeing more chaps and gstrings at B10 games.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:43:19 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:41:36 AM
Then they can sue ESPN for violating contract. From what I've read Baylor and the rest of the small fries can add Wyoming and four other crap teams to the Big 12 and ESPN will have to keep paying through the end of the contract (2024)
Wow.
What a pompous douchebag you are. Crap teams? Small fries? You might have noticed Baylor and Iowa State have pretty good teams.
Small fries compared to the rest of the Big 12.
Crap teams was a reference to the Wyomings of the world, not Baylor.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 12, 2011, 10:44:55 AM
Wot Wot?
Texas in the B10 would be cool. Unlikely, but cool.
Some super dooper Big 10 insider claims Texas is accepted pending a Big 12 collapse.
But hey super secret sources all over the place in this mess.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:46:51 AM
Small fries compared to the rest of the Big 12.
Crap teams was a reference to the Wyomings of the world, not Baylor.
Oh yeah that's alot better :P
But the Kansas teams are not hanging around. I am not sure what Tech is doing but I doubt they will also.
Iowa State and Baylor will be on their own. It sucks they deserve better IMO.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 12, 2011, 10:44:55 AM
Wot Wot?
Texas in the B10 would be cool. Unlikely, but cool.
Some super dooper Big 10 insider claims Texas is accepted pending a Big 12 collapse.
But hey super secret sources all over the place in this mess.
If Texas goes to the Big 10 where does Texas Tech go? Pac 16 or SEC?
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 12, 2011, 10:44:55 AM
Wot Wot?
Texas in the B10 would be cool. Unlikely, but cool.
Some super dooper Big 10 insider claims Texas is accepted pending a Big 12 collapse.
But hey super secret sources all over the place in this mess.
I need to start reading the fake Dan Beebe and Fake Jim Delany Twitter feeds again. They were hilarious when Nebraska broke away.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:51:20 AM
If Texas goes to the Big 10 where does Texas Tech go? Pac 16 or SEC?
MWC
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:51:20 AM
If Texas goes to the Big 10 where does Texas Tech go? Pac 16 or SEC?
Well it sorta has to be one of those two doesn't it?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2011, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:51:20 AM
If Texas goes to the Big 10 where does Texas Tech go? Pac 16 or SEC?
MWC
:lol:
That would be funny. Aggies would be burned in effigy in Lubbock for all eternity.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 12, 2011, 10:51:26 AM
I need to start reading the fake Dan Beebe and Fake Jim Delany Twitter feeds again. They were hilarious when Nebraska broke away.
The real Beebe is just as funny.
That dude has to be the worst commissioner in the history of sports. If he was being bribed to blow up the league he couldn't have done a better job.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2011, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2011, 10:51:20 AM
If Texas goes to the Big 10 where does Texas Tech go? Pac 16 or SEC?
MWC
I laughed, but they're way to good to get burned like that. :D
QuoteA poster at Northwestern's Rivals site, who goes by the handle of Purple Book Cat, has carved out a reputation as someone with a source inside the Big Ten Conference. PBC was ahead of the national media on Nebraska joining the Big Ten, and correctly predicted the league was courting Texas more than a year ago, which was later proven to be true via president-to-president emails from Gordon Gee to Bill Powers.
In the Internet community, when Purple Book Cat talks, folks listen. On Thursday, the anonymous PBC started a thread revealing at a Wednesday night meeting, Notre Dame and Texas jointly presented the Big Ten Conference a proposal for terms of entry into the league. Such terms came after lengthy discussions involving both schools over the past several months.
Interestingly, the top priority for both institutions was to get the Big Ten to back off its mandate of a 9-game conference schedule beginning later this decade and maintain the current 8-game slate. This would allow Texas and Notre Dame to continue traditional rivalries, with Oklahoma and USC, respectively.
According to PBC, the status quo would be maintained until 2014, at which point the Longhorn Network would become a part of an expanded Big Ten Network when both schools would join the league.
I creamed my pants.
Yeah that is the super secret source guy. Purple Book Cat.
That would be amazing. :o
That sound you just heard was 300,000 heads smashing into the nearest wall in Lincoln.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2011, 11:03:20 AM
That sound you just heard was 300,000 heads smashing into the nearest wall in Lincoln.
:lol:
If it happens the first place I am going to greet our new conference mates would be the Nebraska fan sites. 'So glad to be back together my Big Red friends!'
Hey the official UT depth chart has Gilbert at third string! :nelson:
(according to sources)
Mack's press conference: http://www.texassports.com/allaccess/?media=263364
Wait - Notre Dame would give up it's national deal with NBC? Why would they do that?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2011, 11:07:00 AM
Hey the official UT depth chart has Gilbert at third string! :nelson:
(according to sources)
Wow. That is a relief. I mean I suspected we had seen the last of GG but with Mack Brown you can never tell. He is so loyal to his players.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 11:06:52 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2011, 11:03:20 AM
That sound you just heard was 300,000 heads smashing into the nearest wall in Lincoln.
:lol:
If it happens the first place I am going to greet our new conference mates would be the Nebraska fan sites. 'So glad to be back together my Big Red friends!'
I just checked husker boards, and either their corn hasn't picked up the rumor or they dismissed it.
Quote from: Barrister on September 12, 2011, 11:08:31 AM
Wait - Notre Dame would give up it's national deal with NBC? Why would they do that?
The Big 10 pays more....and NBC sucks ass. But seriously I have no idea.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 11:06:52 AM
:lol:
If it happens the first place I am going to greet our new conference mates would be the Nebraska fan sites. 'So glad to be back together my Big Red friends!'
:lol: "OH HI GUYS!"
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Mack talking about more QB competition. Saying the depth chart could change due to guys getting hurt, transferring, etc, Gilbert going to be competing to "get his job back." Very PC. Gilbert is done I think.
Edit: Here you go Valmy: http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/longhorns/entries/2011/09/12/mccoy_will_star.html?cxntcid=breaking_news
QuoteCase McCoy will start Saturday's game at UCLA.
David Ash will back him up, along with Garrett Gilbert.
McCoy and Ash are listed as "or" options as starter. But McCoy's name is listed first.
Gilbert is the No. 3 quarterback.
Also, Malcolm Brown will get his first start as well.
Those were the major moves in Texas' depth chart, revealed Monday morning.
Others of note:
Sophomore defensive tackle Ashton Dorsey, who produced a sack against BYU in his first start, will start again next to Kheeston Randall.
Marquise Goodwin has been moved to primary kickoff returner. He'll be paired with Quandre Diggs.
Goodwin also will start at receiver.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 12, 2011, 11:08:31 AM
Wait - Notre Dame would give up it's national deal with NBC? Why would they do that?
The Big 10 pays more....and NBC sucks ass. But seriously I have no idea.
I loathe NBC's college football announcers.
Mustacheburger is CBS, right?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 12, 2011, 11:29:26 AM
Mustacheburger is CBS, right?
He's an ESPN guy now
, I think. Yeah he's an ABC/ESPN announcer now. Lundquist is the CBS dude. Hammond is the NBC guy.
VV yeah, that VV
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 10:09:55 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 12, 2011, 10:08:16 AM
A guy who really likes his hometown high school football team: the Knox City Greyhounds.
Heh sounds awesome. But no I have never heard of him.
I will check it out...Bill in Sinton-esque rantings?
It's like Bill's retarded cousin. Literally.
I WISH Wyoming was good enough to be a crap team - that is something to aspire to. At the present they are still below that.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 12, 2011, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 12, 2011, 11:08:31 AM
Wait - Notre Dame would give up it's national deal with NBC? Why would they do that?
The Big 10 pays more....and NBC sucks ass. But seriously I have no idea.
I loathe NBC's college football announcers.
NBC Sports pretty much sucks across the board, has for years. Anytime an event, league, or team I care about signs a deal with NBC I wanna puke.
Quote from: PDH on September 12, 2011, 12:06:45 PM
I WISH Wyoming was good enough to be a crap team - that is something to aspire to. At the present they are still below that.
After their glorious steamrolling of the fightin' Frannies how can you say that?
The good news about rooting for a horrible team is that I get to sit on the 50, about 18 rows up, every game.
The bad news is, of course, I have to watch them play.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2011, 08:57:11 AM
Hey MBM and FM there is a guy named 'P' on Shaggybevo who has some interesting things to say breaking down the offense: http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/96678-BYU-was-a-good-test-for-our-offense-%28pics-included%29
He does that pretty regularly. I am not sure he breaks it down well but it sure is an interesting read.
Man Gilbert was terrible.
I kinda feel sorry for the kid but he needs to spend some time in the wilderness.
:D
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 06:12:27 AM
:D
Ok I do not get it. Do you even know jack shit about Baylor or know anybody who went there? What is all this anti-Baylor shit?
I guess Baylor should be happy with Tim opposing them they will probably win the conference now.
He is bandwagoning again, pure and simple. He does not have to understand to hop aboard.
Why do you assume he's not simply amused by the clip? I mean, considering some of the other images he posts... :P
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2011, 08:48:39 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 06:12:27 AM
:D
Ok I do not get it. Do you even know jack shit about Baylor or know anybody who went there? What is all this anti-Baylor shit?
I guess Baylor should be happy with Tim opposing them they will probably win the conference now.
Nothing personal against Baylor. I'm anti-Texas. Texas is wedded to the Big 12 and thus the Big 12 must die. -_-
Edit: Also, if we get four super-conferences there's a good chance we'll get a playoff.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 09:09:38 AM
Nothing personal against Baylor. I'm anti-Texas. Texas is wedded to the Big 12 and thus the Big 12 must die. -_-
You do realize that Texas will be fine, while there are several other schools that would probably get totally fucked by the loss of the Big XII, right? I mean..you understand that Baylor is one of those and that's why they're reacting the way they are, no matter what the psychos at texags say, yes?
QuoteEdit: Also, if we get four super-conferences there's a good chance we'll get a playoff.
A good chance? Why's that?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 09:09:38 AM
Nothing personal against Baylor. I'm anti-Texas. Texas is wedded to the Big 12 and thus the Big 12 must die. -_-
Edit: Also, if we get four super-conferences there's a good chance we'll get a playoff.
First if the School Presidents and Conferences wanted a playoff they would have it now. Super Conferences are not going to get us there. But they might fuck up the sports that DO have playoffs and ruin the tradition and pageantry of College Atheltics.
Second, you are a fucking idiot if you think the collapse of the Big 12 is going to hurt Texas. The fans in this region will suffer and some of the smaller schools will suffer though. But hey so long as you get whatever fucking delusional Timmy triumph you think you are getting I guess you can :w00t: it.
Nothing personal against Baylor? What a joke you are basically tap dancing on their grave for fucksake.
I like angry valmy.
Quote from: HVC on September 13, 2011, 09:31:49 AM
I like angry valmy.
Me to. Tim gets my rageahol flowing.
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2011, 09:29:24 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 09:09:38 AM
Nothing personal against Baylor. I'm anti-Texas. Texas is wedded to the Big 12 and thus the Big 12 must die. -_-
Edit: Also, if we get four super-conferences there's a good chance we'll get a playoff.
First if the NCAA wanted a playoff they would have it now. Super Conferences are not going to get us there. But they might fuck up the sports that DO have playoffs and ruin the tradition and pageantry of College Atheltics.
Second, you are a fucking idiot if you think the collapse of the Big 12 is going to hurt Texas. The fans in this region will suffer and some of the smaller schools will suffer though. But hey so long as you get whatever fucking delusional Timmy triumph you think you are getting I guess you can :w00t: it.
Nothing personal against Baylor? What a joke you are basically tap dancing on their grave for fucksake.
First of all, tradition and pageantry mean nothing to me. I watch college football and basketball for the same reasons I watch AAA baseball. I love watching the sport and want to see the pro prospects play.
Secondly the NCAA doesn't have control over the football postseason, so what they want doesn't mean much. As things are currently set up, there's no chance of a playoff.
Four super-conferences would make it extremely easy to set up a playoff. You'd already have 4 Conference Championships and the National Championship in place. All that would need to be added is an intermediate round where the B1G and PAC-16 champs play, and the ACC and SEC champs play.
It wouldn't happen right away, but with that set up and the amount of money that's just there for the taking, it'll happen eventually.
The only thing I care about in college sports is that the right teams win and the right teams lose. I don't give a shit about anything else.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 09:49:05 AM
First of all, tradition and pageantry mean nothing to me. I watch college football and basketball for the same reasons I watch AAA baseball. I love watching the sport and want to see the pro prospects play.
Then why the hell do you care about Texas or the Big XII or superconferences or anything else? If you just want to watch the pro prospects play, shut the fuck up and watch the pro prospects play.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 09:49:05 AM
First of all, tradition and pageantry mean nothing to me. I watch college football and basketball for the same reasons I watch AAA baseball. I love watching the sport and want to see the pro prospects play.
I hope the Red Sox get moved to the NL West, change their colors to purple, rip down Fenway Park and build a 1970s style field turf symmetrical stadium, and change their name to the 'Blazing Thunder of Boston'.
Actually you would probably like that shit.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 13, 2011, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 09:49:05 AM
First of all, tradition and pageantry mean nothing to me. I watch college football and basketball for the same reasons I watch AAA baseball. I love watching the sport and want to see the pro prospects play.
Then why the hell do you care about Texas or the Big XII or superconferences or anything else? If you just want to watch the pro prospects play, shut the fuck up and watch the pro prospects play.
One has to root for somebody and against someone else for sports to be enjoyable.
The NCAA basketball tourney is entertaining, so would a Football playoff.
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 09:49:05 AM
First of all, tradition and pageantry mean nothing to me. I watch college football and basketball for the same reasons I watch AAA baseball. I love watching the sport and want to see the pro prospects play.
I hope the Red Sox get moved to the NL West, change their colors to purple, rip down Fenway Park and build a 1970s style field turf symmetrical stadium, and change their name to the 'Blazing Thunder of Boston'.
Actually you would probably like that shit.
Adendum -
College tradition and pageantry mean nothing to me.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 10:07:11 AM
One has to root for somebody and against someone else for sports to be enjoyable.
You just said you only watch them for enjoyment of the game and to watch the pro prospects. You don't start wanting a major state university to be completely financially fucked (to the extent that you are actually willing to cheer for several OTHER universities to get totally fucked as well), no matter how delusional it might be, just because you are rooting against them on the field in order to enjoy the game.
You're full of shit.
QuoteThe NCAA basketball tourney is entertaining, so would a Football playoff.
So what are you going to say when the superconferences that you haven't thought all the way through totally fuck up the basketball tournament,
and they aren't inclined to try to set up your halfassed playoff system?
Quote from: Scipio on September 13, 2011, 09:50:38 AM
The only thing I care about in college sports is that the right teams win and the right teams lose. I don't give a shit about anything else.
So is that Michigan or Ole Miss these days? I bet you enjoyed that game Saturday night.
Realignment tool
http://res.dallasnews.com/graphics/2011_09/realignment/
Would be better if you could make/delete conferences.
Yeah, a friend of mine did this:
Quote
Big Ten East
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers
Ohio State
ND
Michigan
MSU
Purdue
Big Ten West
Indiana
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Illinois
Northwestern
Iowa
Missouri
Nebraska
PAC 16 East
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
Utah
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
PAC 16 West
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford
Washington
WSU
Oregon
Oregon St
SEC East
Florida
Georgia
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
South Carolina
Tennessee
Virginia Tech
Kentucky
SEC West
Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi
Miss St
LSC
Arkansas
Vanderbilt
Texas A&M
ACC/BigEast North
West Virginia
BC
Syracuse
Virginia
Cincinnati
Uconn
Louisville
Pittsburgh
ACC/BigEast South
FSU
Miami
Virginia
Wake Forrest
Duke
Clemson
NC State
TCU
Note the combined ACC/BEast
I think this is how it might go down:
Big Ten: +Missouri, +Kansas, +Syracuse, +Pittsburgh
Pac 16: +Texas, +OU, +OSU, +Texas Tech
ACC: +Cincy, +USF, +UConn, +Louisville
SEC: +TAMU, +West Virginia
Rationale: I think Texas is most likely to go to the Pac-16 and so is OU, that brings OSU. I think Texas Tech will end up there because they are a Texas school and they can slap Texas/Tech/OSU in the same division to help things, and they will want to go to 16 if they go 15.
When things really fall apart I expect Syracuse and Pittsburgh to go to the Big-10 pretty quickly, both fit in very nicely in terms of academics, both are mediocre but storied football programs and both have major basketball programs. Those are all things that fit in perfectly with the Big-10.
I think the Big-10 will want to go up to a full sized 16 and that leads to them probably grabbing Kansas (I think Kansas ends up here instead of the Pac-16, who would take Kansas over Texas Tech if they could, at least I think.) I think Missouri ends up here because I think West Virginia ends up going to the SEC instead of Missouri and that makes Missouri attractive to the Big-10 in terms of geography, money, and etc.
I see Louisville, UConn, Cincy, and USF ending up in the ACC for a few reasons. Firstly the ACC is undoubtedly going to be the worst football conference when all is said and done, I think everyone knows that. They will essentially be getting last pick, and I think everyone knows that. They will probably want to maintain things as being east-oriented as possible, so they'll grab UConn, Louisville, and Cincy to turn the ACC into the undeniable basketball powerhouse conference and all three of those schools have potentially decent football programs. USF gets in on the back of improving football, and a large stadium in the football crazy and lucrative state of Florida.
Rutgers, Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State end up fucked. Various teams that are in limbo like TCU also probably end up fucked.
The way I'd like to see it go as a guy who likes the Big East is for the Big East to keep all of its current members and grab some of the lesser desired teams when the Big-XII implodes. This will leave the Big East as "good enough for a BCS bid" (where it has been since 2003 when Virginia Tech/Miami/BC left) which means all of those teams will still have a realistic shot of regular BCS trips.
In the Big 10 I could see Pitt winning about as often as PSU, and Syracuse about as often as Northwestern (i.e. it'd be something to mark an epoch.)
In the ACC UConn, Louisville, Cincy, and USF would probably win maybe as often as Wake Forest. It isn't impossible for teams like those four to win an ACC championship, but over time I think heavies like FSU and VT will still mostly dominate.
In the SEC West Virginia will make a lot more money but will win the conference about as often as Kentucky.
I think for all the Big East member schools the various options above are better money wise but much worse for them in terms of ability to win conference championships and go to big bowls.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 13, 2011, 11:12:18 AM
Note the combined ACC/BEast
Trying to get my mind around the basketball implications of that :blink:
Quote from: derspiess on September 13, 2011, 03:30:15 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 13, 2011, 11:12:18 AM
Note the combined ACC/BEast
Trying to get my mind around the basketball implications of that :blink:
And we thought the Big East was a blood bath.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on September 13, 2011, 03:16:56 PM
The way I'd like to see it go as a guy who likes the Big East is for the Big East to keep all of its current members and grab some of the lesser desired teams when the Big-XII implodes. This will leave the Big East as "good enough for a BCS bid" (where it has been since 2003 when Virginia Tech/Miami/BC left) which means all of those teams will still have a realistic shot of regular BCS trips.
Ditto. I like football better than basketball, but I don't want to see anything on the football side significantly change the Big East for basketball, because Big East basketball has struck about the perfect balance in programs & is fun as hell to watch.
QuoteIn the SEC West Virginia will make a lot more money but will win the conference about as often as Kentucky.
Agree, but then again I said the same thing when WVU moved from Atlantic 10 to Big East in basketball.
I've been getting the feeling that Texas to the Pac-XX has missed the boat. If it was going to happen, it would have happened, and now both Texas and the Pac-12 are sick of the idea.
But who really fucking knows what is going on behind all those closed doors...
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on September 13, 2011, 03:16:56 PM
I think this is how it might go down:
Big Ten: +Missouri, +Kansas, +Syracuse, +Pittsburgh
Pac 16: +Texas, +OU, +OSU, +Texas Tech
ACC: +Cincy, +USF, +UConn, +Louisville
SEC: +TAMU, +West Virginia
Rationale: I think Texas is most likely to go to the Pac-16 and so is OU, that brings OSU. I think Texas Tech will end up there because they are a Texas school and they can slap Texas/Tech/OSU in the same division to help things, and they will want to go to 16 if they go 15.
When things really fall apart I expect Syracuse and Pittsburgh to go to the Big-10 pretty quickly, both fit in very nicely in terms of academics, both are mediocre but storied football programs and both have major basketball programs. Those are all things that fit in perfectly with the Big-10.
I think the Big-10 will want to go up to a full sized 16 and that leads to them probably grabbing Kansas (I think Kansas ends up here instead of the Pac-16, who would take Kansas over Texas Tech if they could, at least I think.) I think Missouri ends up here because I think West Virginia ends up going to the SEC instead of Missouri and that makes Missouri attractive to the Big-10 in terms of geography, money, and etc.
I see Louisville, UConn, Cincy, and USF ending up in the ACC for a few reasons. Firstly the ACC is undoubtedly going to be the worst football conference when all is said and done, I think everyone knows that. They will essentially be getting last pick, and I think everyone knows that. They will probably want to maintain things as being east-oriented as possible, so they'll grab UConn, Louisville, and Cincy to turn the ACC into the undeniable basketball powerhouse conference and all three of those schools have potentially decent football programs. USF gets in on the back of improving football, and a large stadium in the football crazy and lucrative state of Florida.
Rutgers, Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State end up fucked. Various teams that are in limbo like TCU also probably end up fucked.
The way I'd like to see it go as a guy who likes the Big East is for the Big East to keep all of its current members and grab some of the lesser desired teams when the Big-XII implodes. This will leave the Big East as "good enough for a BCS bid" (where it has been since 2003 when Virginia Tech/Miami/BC left) which means all of those teams will still have a realistic shot of regular BCS trips.
In the Big 10 I could see Pitt winning about as often as PSU, and Syracuse about as often as Northwestern (i.e. it'd be something to mark an epoch.)
In the ACC UConn, Louisville, Cincy, and USF would probably win maybe as often as Wake Forest. It isn't impossible for teams like those four to win an ACC championship, but over time I think heavies like FSU and VT will still mostly dominate.
In the SEC West Virginia will make a lot more money but will win the conference about as often as Kentucky.
I think for all the Big East member schools the various options above are better money wise but much worse for them in terms of ability to win conference championships and go to big bowls.
Keep in mind that the main objective will be to add media markets. So for example the B10 will want to take Rutgers and Mizzou, not Kansas and Pitt..
QuoteI think this is how it might go down:
Big Ten: +Pittsburgh
Fuck Mark May.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 10:07:59 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2011, 09:49:05 AM
First of all, tradition and pageantry mean nothing to me. I watch college football and basketball for the same reasons I watch AAA baseball. I love watching the sport and want to see the pro prospects play.
I hope the Red Sox get moved to the NL West, change their colors to purple, rip down Fenway Park and build a 1970s style field turf symmetrical stadium, and change their name to the 'Blazing Thunder of Boston'.
Actually you would probably like that shit.
Adendum - College tradition and pageantry mean nothing to me.
:huh:
I'll say it again--16 team conferences in college football don't make sense. I agree that it looks like that's where we're headed, but I'm not particularly concerned with the details of who goes where, because I figure that such an alignment won't last. The biggest thing that'll hold a system like that together will be that because of the rule that a conference has to have 12 members in order to stage a championship game, the natural solution of a 16 team conference simply splitting into 2 conferences with 8 teams will be unattractive.
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2011, 10:24:46 AM
Quote from: Scipio on September 13, 2011, 09:50:38 AM
The only thing I care about in college sports is that the right teams win and the right teams lose. I don't give a shit about anything else.
So is that Michigan or Ole Miss these days? I bet you enjoyed that game Saturday night.
Michigan and Ole Miss win; Ohio State, Notre Dame, and USC lose.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 13, 2011, 06:19:38 PM
:huh:
Remember, this is from the moron who thinks Abe Lincoln riding a bear while firing a machine gun is cool.
Texas fan describing our feelings about being UCLA's bitch:
QuoteUCLA pisses me off. And not for the reasons you think.
It's not because they're 3-0 against Texas in our last three contests. They were the better team in 1997 (Route 66 trauma flashback) and 1998 (5 foot 8 inch walk-on Jeremy Jones manned up on 6 foot 5 inch Brian Poli-Dixon and volleyball pro Danny Farmer, this will end well) and 2010 was a debacle in all respects. If anything we owe them our thanks for ending the Mackovic Era and serving as first warning for Mack Brown to clean house. Besides, refreshingly, most UCLA fans aren't even aware they beat us. They were playing Ultimate Frisbee or roller blading. We're used to fans dog piling on the 50 yard line and tearing down goal posts. Aggies put a Texas win on their work e-mail auto-signatures for a year and Sooners will taunt you as they hand you a Beef Mexi-melt in the Taco Bell drive thru.
So, all things being equal, it's pretty cool losing to UCLA.
Texas fan: "Hey, my Longhorns are hoping to get some revenge on you this year."
UCLA fan: "Like, in sports or whatever?"
Texas fan: "Yes, you beat us last year in football."
UCLA fan: "Tommy Maddox still our QB?"
It's not because I dislike UCLA. When I play the imagination game of where I'd go to school had I grown up elsewhere, in California, I always end up a Bruin. There are certain schools where, when I meet their alums, I have a general sense of "Oh, they're like us." UCLA, Michigan, Florida. It's pretty predictable. I like UCLA. Good people.
It's not because they catch us at our worst. UCLA is the neighbor watering their front yard at 3:00am when you skid into your garbage cans and step out of your car cursing as a Jim Beam bottle rolls onto the driveway. They're the hotel maid who repeatedly screams, "EEZZZZ HOUUUUZZZZZZ KEEEEEPINGGG!" at 7:00 am on New Years Day. They're the UPS guy ringing your doorbell on Friday at 5:30 pm just as you're settling on to the upstairs toilet with Game of Thrones.
They have a knack for this. Predictably, this Saturday, we're starting brand new QBs and half of our two deep has trouble getting into rated R movies. Still, it's our own fault.
It's not because I dislike Southern California. Living for six years in San Francisco is supposed to have taught me that LA's obsession with appearance, status, and credit card debt represents all that's wrong in the world, but Northern Californians do the same things and disguise them with yoga babble and yurts. I admire SoCal for the loathsome honesty of its decaying dream.
No, UCLA offends me as a football purist.
I watched both UCLA games this year. The bottom line is this: UCLA has a bunch of talented dudes who don't care all that much. And with respect to talent, I'm not talking about recruiting classes, or rankings, or other supportive bullshit that people use when they can't trust their own eyes (though UCLA has all those things too). I'm talking about pure on-field talent. UCLA is good. They have two NFL RBs – one a slick slasher, the other an angry bowling ball, a 6 foot 8 mutant TE who can run and has hands, appears to be open on every play, and had 100 yards receiving in one half against Houston. Naturally, they threw to him only once against San Jose St (a TD, of course) and he's 2nd string. They have a 6-5 220 pound WR named Nelson Rosario who alternates between playing like Lord Nelson and Rosario Dawson and the OL is massive. They also have an array of highly recruited QBs who all excel at being injured except when playing Texas.
Overall, they returned something like 57 of their 22 starters (this number is imprecise) so inexperience is no issue.
Defensively, they're like watching a clown riding a Vespa through a car wash, but it's not because they lack talent. It's just a bunch of fairly talented guys running around randomly, somewhat bored. Their schemes appear to have been drawn up with bottle caps and twigs during warm ups. "Who wants to play DT? You Marsh? OK, you be DT this game." During one part of a game, I observed their NFL talent DE Datone Jones during a run play that went to the other side of the field. He stopped, placed a hand on his hip, and watched the play unfold with detached bemusement. It was awesome.
Against Houston, UCLA went down 31-14 at halftime, looked at each other while eating orange slices and said, "Hey, what if we just tried – just to see how it feels?" UCLA stormed back and the Cougars eked out a 38-34 victory. UCLA racked up 550+ yards of offense. And lost. Kevin Prince was promptly injured because he wasn't playing Texas. Their backup appeared to be better anyway.
Against San Jose St, a team firmly in the bottom 10% of college football starting their backup QB, UCLA was tied 17 all in the late 3rd quarter. They went on to win 27-17 after a UCLA player said to 240 pound RB Derrick Coleman – "Yo, DC, I bet you can't run over like eleven dudes this quarter." Coleman said, "Bet!" and then ran over twelve while averaging 10 yards a carry.
The most irritating part of this is not that they don't try, but it's that they won't have the decency not to try against us. The prospect of national television, more than 50,000 people in the Rose Bowl, and a name program will challenge their athletic pride. The same athletes who slumbered through two and half quarters of the Houston game and the entire San Jose St. game will decide they want to light up the Longhorns. The kicker is that if they do, they'll likely luxuriate in the win, beat Oregon State on the road, and, interest diminished, lose to Stanford by 37 points in Palo Alto. "Man, Stanford playing all hard and shit. F this." Mean regressed once the Longhorns leave town.
If UCLA had any decency at all, they would lie down for us like they will against Utah or Arizona State. But no, these assholes are probably going to try. And we'll have a close game and possibly even lose in some heartbreaking fashion. And they'll do it in uniforms designed by florists.
Thanks, Bruins.
Yeah I fully expect Texas to be crushed this weekend. And it will be totally surreal. There are some traditions that you can count on.
Maryland's uniforms look a lot better this week I think.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/14/maryland-uni-watch-week-3/
"a deranged Medieval jester"...? MOTHERFUCK
All black against WVU? Why not. It's usually a funeral anyway.
Both Army and Navy are breaking out "futuristic" alternate unis for their matchup in December.
QuoteThe uniform features the legendary Naval phrase "Don't Tread on Me" which is visible throughout the uniform, both on the back inner collar as well as the upper sock. The time-tested Navy anchor is also prominent on both the front collar and pant leg.
Navy is known for its classic white gloves and dapper style, so the Nike Pro Combat gloves are predominantly traditional white. These interlocking gloves provide a stunning anchor visual for Navy, sure to strike fear in their Army opponents when they fittingly clash in our nation's capital on December 10.
The technologically advanced Nike Pro Combat system of dress features a baselayer exemplifying the Navy Jack featuring a snakeskin look with a new modern interpretation. This first Navy Jack harkens back to the one-year anniversary of 9/11 when all U.S. Navy ships flew the flag to honor those who were lost. Additionally, the rattlesnake features 13 layers representative of the original 13 colonies.
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The Navy unis look kind of cool, not feeling Army's though.
When Penn State changes their uniforms, that's when it's time to panic.
It'll have to be after Paterno dies, because if he isn't, then he will be.
Urlacher's mom died. :(
I hope for Brees sake Urlacher doesn't make it to the game, or we might end up with an other QB getting his spine operated on.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 15, 2011, 05:12:29 AM
Both Army and Navy are breaking out "futuristic" alternate unis for their matchup in December.
:bleeding:
Oh for fucksake.
When is Texas going to break out the unis with the laserbeams shooting from the shoulderpads?
Quote from: PDH on September 15, 2011, 07:57:34 AM
When is Texas going to break out the unis with the laserbeams shooting from the shoulderpads?
The same day they project holograms of Bevo out of their asses. :P
There's been entirely too much discussion of uniforms in this thread lately.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 15, 2011, 09:05:42 AM
There's been entirely too much discussion of uniforms in this thread lately.
So...Georgia going to be breaking out those black unis again?
I wouldn't know until they came on the field.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 15, 2011, 05:26:40 AM
Urlacher's mom died. :(
I hope for Brees sake Urlacher doesn't make it to the game, or we might end up with an other QB getting his spine operated on.
When did Urlacher's mom play in the NCAA?
Wrong fucking thread, dickfuck.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 15, 2011, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 15, 2011, 05:26:40 AM
Urlacher's mom died. :(
I hope for Brees sake Urlacher doesn't make it to the game, or we might end up with an other QB getting his spine operated on.
When did Urlacher's mom play in the NCAA?
Wrong fucking thread, dickfuck.
Whoops :hide:
:bleeding: This game sucks so far.
Hey look another flag! Yay!
E: Annnnnd Mississippi State gives up. Lame.
:hmm:
http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2055#ixzz1Y62YDwrr
QuoteThe OU Board of Regents has published an agenda for its Monday meeting that includes the topic of conference reorganization.
Huh, Toledo just scored first on Boise State.
Go Zips or whatever Toledo is.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 16, 2011, 07:16:18 PM
Go Zips or whatever Toledo is.
Typical Ohio State asshole.
The enormous rocket logo at midfield apparently isn't enough for Ohio State types.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 16, 2011, 08:42:12 PM
The enormous rocket logo at midfield apparently isn't enough for Ohio State types.
Pretentious fucksticks. At least Michigan fans recognize other schools in Michigan. They don't respect them, but at least they know who they are.
But that's OK, they're gonna have their asses handed to them by Miami, and they'll know it. Because it ain't Miami of Ohio.
Looks like the future of the Big 12 will be decided on Monday
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/16/texas-will-authorize-president-to-decide-conference-affiliation/related/
Nice fumble recovery for Iowa State in UConn territory, but they had to settle for a FG. Still, 17-13 Cyclones. :)
Also, while I was having a couple beers at the bar, I noticed Desmond Howard made a strange statement. Dude picked Texas to be the most likely top 25 team to lose (no problem, it's UCLA), but then said they don't have a stud running back and are "still" having to rely on Malcolm Brown. Very odd. I mean, I know it's not super spectacular, but I'm pretty happy with a true freshman averaging more than 5 a carry. Maybe that's just me?
He also said something about the Ash/McCoy combo not working or some such. At that point, I figured he simply hadn't watched what happened when Squints went out and those two started playing, and basically didn't know what he was talking about.
E: Aww great catch by the UConn WR for the TD. Looked like the ISU DB had a pick, but at least would knock the pass away, but it somehow got through him.
Man these Iowa State receivers are going to be a pain in the ass for Texas on Oct 1. Circus catches, jumping over two dudes for touchdowns. Just making plays all over the field in clutch situations.
E: Iowa State wasn't able to get a first down, so are going to have to punt it away with 51 seconds left in the game, up by 4. :hmm:
24-20 final Cyclones win.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2011, 09:27:15 PM
Looks like the future of the Big 12 will be decided on Monday
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/16/texas-will-authorize-president-to-decide-conference-affiliation/related/
If you are going to be our news feed, at least be timely. I knew that 3 days ago.
Quote from: sbr on September 16, 2011, 11:36:55 PM
If you are going to be our news feed, at least be timely. I knew that 3 days ago.
That's Texas, not Oklahoma. AFAIK, that was first released this morning, or whenever this was first submitted:
http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/pubomquery$omquery.queryview?P_OM_ID=137695&Z_CHK=%2033600 (http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/pubomquery$omquery.queryview?P_OM_ID=137695&Z_CHK=%2033600)
QuoteThe U. T. System Board of Regents will convene a Special Called meeting via telephone conference call from 3:00 p.m. to approximately 3:30 p.m. on September 19, 2011, according to the following agenda. It is necessary to conduct this special meeting by telephone because it was not possible to convene a quorum in one place in a timely manner.
A. CALL TO ORDER IN OPEN SESSION
B. RECESS TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, IF NEEDED, PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 551
Consultation with Attorney Regarding Legal Matters or Pending and/or Contemplated Litigation or Settlement Offers - Section 551.071
1. U. T. Austin: Discussion and appropriate action regarding potential legal issues related to athletic conference membership and contracting
2. U. T. System Board of Regents: Discussion and appropriate action regarding legal issues related to Regents¿ Rules and Regulations, Rule 10403, Sections 9 and 10
C. RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION FOR ACTION, IF ANY, ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS AND TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS
1. U. T. Austin: Discussion and appropriate action regarding delegation to act on matters related to athletic conference membership and contracting
2. U. T. Austin: Discussion and appropriate action regarding possible authorization for use of the Frank C. Erwin, Jr. Special Events Center for a concert to benefit victims of the Texas wildfires
D. ADJOURN
Meh.
Quote from: sbr on September 16, 2011, 11:40:49 PM
Meh.
It's set up to be like a couple hours after Oklahoma's meeting.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 16, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 16, 2011, 11:40:49 PM
Meh.
It's set up to be like a couple hours after Oklahoma's meeting.
So after OU chickens out, Texas will announce they will be staying right where they are. Oh how exciting it shall be.
Quote from: Valmy on September 16, 2011, 11:52:19 PM
So after OU chickens out, Texas will announce they will be staying right where they are. Oh how exciting it shall be.
Could be something like "Welp we tried to keep this shit together, but can't, so we're going somewhere on our own, sorry Tech and Bayor (lolz)"
Quote from: Valmy on September 16, 2011, 11:52:19 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 16, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 16, 2011, 11:40:49 PM
Meh.
It's set up to be like a couple hours after Oklahoma's meeting.
So after OU chickens out, Texas will announce they will be staying right where they are. Oh how exciting it shall be.
You got some inside information? Everything I read has the OU board of regents unanimous on leaving for the PAC-12 whether Texas follows them or not.
:hmm: You'd think Pitt would have it's eye on the Big 10 if it wanted to switch conferences.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6980076/big-east-members-syracuse-pitt-talks-atlantic-coast-conference
QuoteReport: Syracuse, Pitt talk to ACC
Associated Press
NEW YORK -- Syracuse and Pittsburgh are in talks with the Atlantic Coast Conference about leaving the Big East to join the league, The New York Times reported Friday night.
The story posted on the newspaper's website cited an unidentified source with direct knowledge of the talks. Officials at Pittsburgh, Syracuse and the ACC declined comment when reached by the Times.
If Syracuse and Pittsburgh decide to leave the Big East, it could lead to another dramatic shuffle in college athletics. Texas A&M has announced its intention to join the Southeastern Conference, leaving the future of the Big 12 in doubt.
Syracuse is a founding member of the Big East, and Pittsburgh joined the league in 1982.
"We've been dealing with the fluidity of the conference landscape on multiple levels for a week," Amy Yakola, the ACC's associate commissioner for public relations and marketing, told the newspaper, "and at this point we wouldn't be able to comment on speculation."
Mike Finn, the ACC's associate commissioner for football communications, told The Associated Press late Friday night he was unaware of any such talks and didn't know anything about the Times report.
Alabama fans have too much time on their hands :bleeding:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcqF8v4Rh_4
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 17, 2011, 03:19:52 AM
:hmm: You'd think Pitt would have it's eye on the Big 10 if it wanted to switch conferences.
Pitt is probably just trying to find a conference where they
might be able to win a conference championship. Maybe they should try the MAC.
Quote from: Valmy on September 16, 2011, 11:52:19 PM
So after OU chickens out, Texas will announce they will be staying right where they are. Oh how exciting it shall be.
You'd still get your wildfire benefit concert.
Woah, if true the party has started.
http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32034930
QuotePitt, Syracuse send ACC letters of application
Posted on: September 17, 2011 9:27 am
Edited on: September 17, 2011 9:31 am
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – The Atlantic Coast Conference has received letters of application from Pittsburgh and Syracuse, a high ranking league official told CBSSports.com.
The ACC also has recently been contacted by 10 schools, the official said. However, they would not disclose what conferences those schools were from.
Also, at last week's ACC presidents meeting in Greensboro, N.C., the league's presidents "unanimously" voted to increase the ACC's exit fee to $20 million. This takes affect immediately.
The New York Times reported Friday that Syracuse, Pitt and the ACC had been in talks about the two Big East schools joining the league. Representatives from all three declined comment to the Times.
ACC commissioner John Swofford has said previously that the ACC will always be mindful and do what's best for its member institutions."
The refs are apparently fans of the Maryland unis. Fuck you, Mountainqueers.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 17, 2011, 03:19:52 AM
:hmm: You'd think Pitt would have it's eye on the Big 10 if it wanted to switch conferences.
No I wouldn't. The B10 already has the Pennsylvania market.
BTW: When did Temple get good? :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 16, 2011, 08:49:09 PM
But that's OK, they're gonna have their asses handed to them by Miami, and they'll know it. Because it ain't Miami of Ohio.
It would be more of a challenge if it were.
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I'm sure Miami Florida has some hot cheerleaders too.
Oxford. Snatch city. And good snatch too, since the school is a bit expensive and keeps most of the trash out. :)
In a match of titans, mighty Wyoming traveled to Bowling Green and completely dominated the BGSU Falcons 28-27. I won't speak about giving up a 90 yard drive with 1 minute left to almost tie, before BG stepped on their dicks and had the extra point blocked, but instead focus on the mighty, mighty Cowboys, now 3-0, readying themselves for Nebraska next week.
(as a fan of a poor team, being 3-0 is unheard of. A true freshman quarterback, defense that is porous at best, and a long history of suckdom...all on the line)
Perhaps the foulness of Mountainqueer victory will be assuaged by a Notre Dame win over the Spartoons, provided they score more points than turnovers.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2011, 03:27:46 PM
Perhaps the foulness of Mountainqueer victory will be assuaged by a Notre Dame win over the Spartoons, provided they score more points than turnovers.
:punk: Missed most of the 4th quarter but I'm going to try to watch the last few minutes if I can get streaming video to work on this damned gogo in flight wifi.
Your Twerps got a couple of nice bullshit unnecessary roughness calls.
59-0 over their cupcake opposition this week. Maybe the Dawgs can pull out a winning season after all. :hmm:
Sadly, none of my cable stations offered this game, though I did have the option to watch Central Michigan vs. Western Michigan. :rolleyes:
I'm currently reading an article in the current Atlantic about despotism and unfairness of the NCAA. The title hook is about paying college athletes, but the meat of the article is really about how scammy the NCAA is. All you college sports fans are probably already familiar with the various cases, rulings, and scandals mentioned, but you might want to check it out anyway.
Written in a more polemical style than is usual for the Atlantic, but still interesting.
The Vols-Gators game turned into a shitfest.
So I come home from work today having missed all the games and finally turn on ESPN and lo; what is it I find? 49-20?
:hug:
The 3:30 games weren't as entertaining as I hoped.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 17, 2011, 05:59:57 PM
The 3:30 games weren't as entertaining as I hoped.
Florida continues its dominance, Irish off the schnide. Good enough for me.
Now for Florida State and the U to do their jobs tonight.
I wasn't surprised at Sparty falling flat.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 17, 2011, 06:06:50 PM
I wasn't surprised at Sparty falling flat.
They're a little early.
I had a feeling Tim was off beating off to Mr. Hands instead of tainting the Irish.
lol, OSU's punt coverage.
"You just can't practice with that kind of speed with who you have on the scout team."
No, no you can't. SEC swamprunnin' niggaz > Big 10 cornfed fatbodies
I am not impressed with OSU's inability to concede defeat by halftime.
Having fun? :lol:
They need to chop a finger off of each WR that drops a pass.
FUCK YOU JOE BAUSERMAN.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 17, 2011, 07:25:34 PM
Having fun? :lol:
Big 10 moosies too dumb to know they're supposed to lose.
FUCK YOU JOE BAUSERMAN. RUN FOR THE GODDAMN ENDZONE, YOU PRANCING FAGGOT.
Looks like Navy is going to lose this one after that INT. Too bad.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 17, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
Looks like Navy is going to lose this one after that INT. Too bad.
I knew I shouldn't have pinned my hopes on gay sailors. Fuck.
Well at least that FSU WR is still alive. :blink:
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 17, 2011, 08:01:24 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 17, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
Looks like Navy is going to lose this one after that INT. Too bad.
I knew I shouldn't have pinned my hopes on gay sailors. Fuck.
Gave it one hell of a fucking fight, though. Would not want to be in practice with the Ol' Ball Coach this week.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2011, 08:18:32 PM
Gave it one hell of a fucking fight, though. Would not want to be in practice with the Ol' Ball Coach this week.
Lattimore is a damn monster and was just too much for Navy.
This BYU - Utah game should be interesting. Edit: Hahhaha yes, yes it is. The snap just flew over the BYU QB's head, and when he tried to pick it up and throw it away, he dropped it, it rolled into the endzone, and instead of falling on it he tried to pick it up again for some reason and just knocked it further away from himself, Utah recovers. Touchdown.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 17, 2011, 08:22:13 PM
Lattimore is a damn monster and was just too much for Navy.
Yeah, he won't outrun somebody on an 80 yard breakaway, but he busts through the line to the second level like a fucking tank. Reminds me of Eddie George.
Apologies if I've asked this before, but is the Kraut who plays DE for the Noles an honest to goodness Kraut or a fake Kraut-GI half caste?
My dislike for zone read offenses continues to deepen.
Sigh.
Just keep running up the middle already. They've proven they can't stop it. And leave the new kid in. The old kid is off his game.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 17, 2011, 08:49:12 PM
Just keep running up the middle already. They've proven they can't stop it. And leave the new kid in. The old kid is off his game.
I still annoyed that Kenny Guiton isn't even considered to fling the ball. Also, Storm is a cool name for a linebacker.
OSU should just use gunners as part of their base defense; it'd be the only way they can cut off the speed to the sidelines.
In unfair matchup news: Missouri is beating poor Western Illinois 69-0. They have 743 yards of offense, 316 passing, 427 rushing. W. Illinois has 38 yards on O.
Oh hell, Fickell found Tressel's green playbook and is running Pryor's old plays.
The defenders can't run around the O-line up north, they have to run through. No traction. No snow is a huge advantage. Much wider margins for recruiting down south.
You can see it in Miami's D-line bouncing off OSU's guards.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 17, 2011, 05:44:21 PM
So I come home from work today having missed all the games and finally turn on ESPN and lo; what is it I find? 49-20?
:hug:
It was even more awesome than the score indicated. We have seen life after Gilbert and it is sweet indeed.
The front seven of the defense looked meh though.
OH, BRAXTON. :yuk:
I'm going to bed. This shit is annoying me.
Could be worse, Ed. Could be the Redhawks!
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 17, 2011, 08:06:50 PM
Well at least that FSU WR is still alive. :blink:
THat was ridiculous. The dude catches a sure TD and then two Sooners smash him in a massive helmet-to-helmet. Not only do they knock him out, causing him to drop the ball. The pass gets ruled incomplete all FSU gets is a half distance to the endzone. FSU then throws a pick. It just seems wrong when a vicious helmet spearing turns out to be the key to a defensive stop.
Quote from: Valmy on September 17, 2011, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 17, 2011, 08:06:50 PM
Well at least that FSU WR is still alive. :blink:
THat was ridiculous. The dude catches a sure TD and then two Sooners smash him in a massive helmet-to-helmet. Not only do they knock him out, causing him to drop the ball. The pass gets ruled incomplete all FSU gets is a half distance to the endzone. FSU then throws a pick. It just seems wrong when a vicious helmet spearing turns out to be the key to a defensive stop.
Oklahoma's been bashing the shit out of FSU players all night. Can't wait till they try that shit with Alabama. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT PAIN IS
Jacory Harris is the black Gino Torretta. Well, blacker.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2011, 06:01:40 PM
Irish off the schnide. Good enough for me.
I watched their first two games. They should have won both they just blew it. The Irish are about to get it going.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 17, 2011, 09:09:46 PM
The defenders can't run around the O-line up north, they have to run through. No traction. No snow is a huge advantage. Much wider margins for recruiting down south.
You can see it in Miami's D-line bouncing off OSU's guards.
Conversely, the boys up north on D can't catch the speed to the outside. Not against running backs, bubble screens, or special teams.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2011, 09:17:26 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 17, 2011, 09:09:46 PM
The defenders can't run around the O-line up north, they have to run through. No traction. No snow is a huge advantage. Much wider margins for recruiting down south.
You can see it in Miami's D-line bouncing off OSU's guards.
Conversely, the boys up north on D can't catch the speed to the outside. Not against running backs, bubble screens, or special teams.
Exactly right. Even if they moved all football operations south of the Mason-Dixon, they'd still have to play in the Great Lakes in winter against the B10 opponents. So the status quo will remain.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 17, 2011, 09:25:18 PM
Exactly right. Even if they moved all football operations south of the Mason-Dixon, they'd still have to play in the Great Lakes in winter against the B10 opponents. So the status quo will remain.
They just need to play the BCS National Championship Game at Soldier Field.
That was weak. Ohio State coach just decided to give up and not call timeouts down by 11 with ~1:40 left.
I will admit, the Longhorns look pretty in their all-whites.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2011, 09:36:56 PM
I will admit, the Longhorns look pretty in their all-whites.
They are pretty
oh so pretty
they are pretty and witty and...ok better stop there.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 17, 2011, 03:47:08 PM
59-0 over their cupcake opposition this week. Maybe the Dawgs can pull out a winning season after all. :hmm:
So the Dawgs went 59-0 against "Coastal Carolina," and Tech went 66-24 against Kansas. I sense Thanksgiving pain in your future.
Washington got screwed over by refs who apparantly have no idea what the fair catch rules are. Not saying that they would have won otherwise, just that there were 2 clearly wrong calls on kicks and another questionable on.
'Noles just decided to wake the fuck up.
Holy shit.
Wow Berkut wasn't kidding about the Zona front 7. They look pretty horrible here on Stanford's first drive.
But a nice pick of Luck there on the goal line!
16-10 Stanford at the half. Zona had some nice red zone stands and some creative defensive playcalling keeps them in it.
Nick Foles is awesome and how can Arizona's kicker be that bad?
The Oklahoma State game still hasn't been cancelled. The're talking about a ~12am kickoff, provided there isn't any more lightning. If there is more lightning, the game will be cancelled.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 17, 2011, 11:40:35 PM
The Oklahoma State game still hasn't been cancelled. The're talking about a ~12am kickoff, provided there isn't any more lightning. If there is more lightning, the game will be cancelled.
Aren't they playing Tulsa? I mean they are pretty close together why not just reschedule the game?
Quote from: Valmy on September 17, 2011, 11:41:48 PM
Aren't they playing Tulsa? I mean they are pretty close together why not just reschedule the game?
Yeah, Tulsa. I don't know why they don't just play it tomorrow or something, but they don't seem to be able to do that for whatever reason.
It's on FSSW if you want to watch some super late football.
Edit: Possible 12:10am kickoff now, according to the announcer. They'll be coming out to warm up in a few minutes. There are people down on the field getting everything set up.
Uh....well......Tulsa's backup QB is in after a late hit took out the starter. He mishandled his first snap, lost 18 yards, then the handoff on the next play was screwed up and fumbled for a turnover. 14-3 OSU with 3:22 lef tin the first.
The Louisville AD rails against the treachery of Pittsburg and seems absolutely dumbfounded and shocked by this turn in events.
Great video interview
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/2011309170075
EDIT: It's official, the ACC is now a 14 team league.
http://www.theacc.com/genrel/091811aaa.html
Quote from: ulmont on September 17, 2011, 09:43:36 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 17, 2011, 03:47:08 PM
59-0 over their cupcake opposition this week. Maybe the Dawgs can pull out a winning season after all. :hmm:
So the Dawgs went 59-0 against "Coastal Carolina," and Tech went 66-24 against Kansas. I sense Thanksgiving pain in your future.
They play football at Kansas? :huh:
I bet TCU is loving that move to the Big East next year...
Quote from: PDH on September 18, 2011, 08:40:51 AM
I bet TCU is loving that move to the Big East next year...
Apparently UConn and Rutgers want to jump ship into the ACC, who want two 8 team divisions.
Hell, the ACC is too big now.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2011, 04:16:22 AM
The Louisville AD rails against the treachery of Pittsburgh and seems absolutely dumbfounded and shocked by this turn in events.
I'd be angry and confused too if my biggest conference rival left. Louisville-Pittsburgh was bigger for ratings and national exposure than Louisville-Kentucky ever is.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2011, 08:42:26 AM
Quote from: PDH on September 18, 2011, 08:40:51 AM
I bet TCU is loving that move to the Big East next year...
Apparently UConn and Rutgers want to jump ship into the ACC, who want two 8 team divisions.
Hell, the ACC is too big now.
It would split pretty well into divisions wouldn't it?
ACC NorthBC
Syracuse
UConn
Pitt
Rutgers
Maryland
UVA
VT
ACC SouthWake Forest
NC State
Duke
UNC
Clemson
Georgia Tech
FSU
Miami
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 18, 2011, 07:54:10 AM
They play football at Kansas? :huh:
Only since 1890, so it's reasonable you might not have noticed.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2011, 08:45:13 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2011, 08:42:26 AM
Quote from: PDH on September 18, 2011, 08:40:51 AM
I bet TCU is loving that move to the Big East next year...
Apparently UConn and Rutgers want to jump ship into the ACC, who want two 8 team divisions.
Hell, the ACC is too big now.
It would split pretty well into divisions wouldn't it?
Gee, an even numbered amount teams splitting well? Ya think, Archimedes? Go fuck yourself.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2011, 08:51:46 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2011, 08:45:13 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2011, 08:42:26 AM
Quote from: PDH on September 18, 2011, 08:40:51 AM
I bet TCU is loving that move to the Big East next year...
Apparently UConn and Rutgers want to jump ship into the ACC, who want two 8 team divisions.
Hell, the ACC is too big now.
It would split pretty well into divisions wouldn't it?
Gee, an even numbered amount teams splitting well? Ya think, Archimedes? Go fuck yourself.
I meant geographically ass, not too unbalanced either.
The ACC wants to be the first to 16, then they win!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2011, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2011, 08:51:46 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2011, 08:45:13 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2011, 08:42:26 AM
Quote from: PDH on September 18, 2011, 08:40:51 AM
I bet TCU is loving that move to the Big East next year...
Apparently UConn and Rutgers want to jump ship into the ACC, who want two 8 team divisions.
Hell, the ACC is too big now.
It would split pretty well into divisions wouldn't it?
Gee, an even numbered amount teams splitting well? Ya think, Archimedes? Go fuck yourself.
I meant geographically ass, not too unbalanced either.
Still too many teams. Fuck you.
Quote from: ulmont on September 18, 2011, 08:49:43 AM
Only since 1890, so it's reasonable you might not have noticed.
And in that time they've managed to win half their games and 6 bowls. Truly a storied program.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 18, 2011, 07:54:10 AM
Quote from: ulmont on September 17, 2011, 09:43:36 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 17, 2011, 03:47:08 PM
59-0 over their cupcake opposition this week. Maybe the Dawgs can pull out a winning season after all. :hmm:
So the Dawgs went 59-0 against "Coastal Carolina," and Tech went 66-24 against Kansas. I sense Thanksgiving pain in your future.
They play football at Kansas? :huh:
Allow me flash you back to the distant long ago time of...2008!
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Mangino ate the entire football program.
Last year, they went 3-9. Though I suppose Ulmont feels this win is significant because one of those 3 wins was against Georgia Tech. :P
Rumors on the interwebs say that West Virginia has sent an application to the SEC. :ph34r:
Apparently the rumors about Texas to B10 may have caused Larry Scott to kind of blink...there may be a deal in the works to bring OH, OSU, UT, TT to the Pac-12 that would allow the Longhorns to keep their network in some fashion or another...
Quote from: Berkut on September 18, 2011, 06:12:48 PM
Apparently the rumors about Texas to B10 may have caused Larry Scott to kind of blink...there may be a deal in the works to bring OH, OSU, UT, TT to the Pac-12 that would allow the Longhorns to keep their network in some fashion or another...
That is what I am hearing also.
Now Wyoming will never make it to the Big 12 :(
Why not, should have plenty of space for them.
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I did not know David Gavitt died late Friday, right before the ACC announcement of Pitt and 'Cuse. Talk about pissing on a grave.
Quote from: Berkut on September 18, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
Why not, should have plenty of space for them.
Yuk yuk yuk
Anyway I missed the second half of Zona-Stanford because stuff came up at home. I see Arizona could not keep pulling rabbits out of its hat on defense. I think they can still pull of Bowl eligibility but Nick Foles probably deserved more from his senior season. Is Stoops in trouble? That defense had some decent schemes but why can he not recruit better talent?
He just has not had much success recruiting. I've been arguing this forever - he gets middle to bottom of the Pac-10 recruiting classes, and in the long run that is going to get him middle to bottom of the Pac-10 results. Sure, we will have our standout players who turn out to be a lot better than expected, but college football is all about college recruiting, and Arizona has never managed to pull in our "share" of BCS talent.
It's funny how the same people will argue up and down that recruiting class rankings are bullshit and don't mean anything (not here, but on the Arizona forums) and then turn around and crow about the latest top-5 basketball class.
Stoops took Arizona out of the doghouse that Machovic left the program in, but I don't see him getting us much further. Of coruse, facility wise, Arizona has never been able to compete with USC/Oregon/UCLA/Washington either. We are improving facilities, but I suspect our improvements are bringing us from the 80s into the 90s or so.
Quote from: Berkut on September 19, 2011, 07:52:08 AM
He just has not had much success recruiting. I've been arguing this forever - he gets middle to bottom of the Pac-10 recruiting classes, and in the long run that is going to get him middle to bottom of the Pac-10 results. Sure, we will have our standout players who turn out to be a lot better than expected, but college football is all about college recruiting, and Arizona has never managed to pull in our "share" of BCS talent.
It's funny how the same people will argue up and down that recruiting class rankings are bullshit and don't mean anything (not here, but on the Arizona forums) and then turn around and crow about the latest top-5 basketball class.
Stoops took Arizona out of the doghouse that Machovic left the program in, but I don't see him getting us much further. Of coruse, facility wise, Arizona has never been able to compete with USC/Oregon/UCLA/Washington either. We are improving facilities, but I suspect our improvements are bringing us from the 80s into the 90s or so.
You're going to be raking in so much Pac-16 TV money that you should be able to modernize it all the way.
So, here's what is probably going to happen from what we know so far... (Feel free to mock me if this turns out wrong)
OU, OSU, UT, and TT to the Pac-12
TA&M and WVU to the SEC
Syracues, Pitt and UCONN to the ACC
=================================================
Pure Speculation
Misouri and Rutgers seem to be in good positions, each would rather be in the Big 10, but have fall back options with the SEC and the ACC respectively. Notre Dame holds the key to B1G expansion. If they join the Big 10, then it will definitely increase to 14 teams, and maybe 16. But I'm not sure if there's a 16th team that would be acceptable them ND, Rutgers, Missouri and ...Kansas maybe?
If Rutgers goes to the Big 10 who does the ACC take for their 16th team? SEC will have 1st pick of the rest of the Big East and Big 12 carcasses. Will the SEC stand by the gentelman's agreement or take the best of what's left? Cincinnati and Louisville would seem to be the most attractive markets left. Then USF, followed by TCU and Baylor, who's only value would seem to be further SEC penetration of Texas recruiting.
Kansas St., ISU, Bosie st. and BYU are definitely screwed.
The Big 12 leftovers, Iowa State and company, will probably join TCU in the Big East. As weird as that is I would be very glad if that is the case.
I mean presuming this happens. I have been told how this is all wrapped up but, heh, I have heard that before.
Despite what Berkut said it does look like Scott got Texas to make concessions on their network. Now if only Time Warner would so I could watch the damn thing.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 19, 2011, 08:29:52 AM
Kansas St., ISU, Bosie st. and BYU are definitely screwed.
Speculatively definitely screwed anyway.
Why would Big 12 or ACC fold up shop however?
They are BCS conferences, and any member of those conferences have an excellent shot at a BCS bowl game. They can just re-stock with members, some teams will rise to the top because of playing a weak in-conference opposition, and the world will go on?
I mean - isn't that what happened when the ACC poached some of the best teams away from the Big East several years ago?
Also - is there any reason why 16 is a magic number?
I understand the importancee of 12 (championship game), but what does 16 get you in college football land?
Quote from: Barrister on September 19, 2011, 08:40:11 AM
Why would Big 12 or ACC fold up shop however?
They are BCS conferences, and any member of those conferences have an excellent shot at a BCS bowl game. They can just re-stock with members, some teams will rise to the top because of playing a weak in-conference opposition, and the world will go on?
I mean - isn't that what happened when the ACC poached some of the best teams away from the Big East several years ago?
IIRC there's actually a litmis test every few years. If you don't pass your automatic BCS bid is taken away from you. They probably can't restock enough to pass the next test without the Big 12 or Big East taking in the teams from the other. The MWC, WAC and CUSA just don't have enough teams with potential to do it.
From what I've read the nonfootball teams in the Big East have had it and are going to form their own Basketball league, so that would leave the Big 12 the survivor by default.
Quote from: Barrister on September 19, 2011, 08:40:11 AM
Why would Big 12 or ACC fold up shop however?
They are BCS conferences, and any member of those conferences have an excellent shot at a BCS bowl game. They can just re-stock with members, some teams will rise to the top because of playing a weak in-conference opposition, and the world will go on?
I mean - isn't that what happened when the ACC poached some of the best teams away from the Big East several years ago?
The ACC is not going to. They are going to be stronger than ever.
Quote from: Barrister on September 19, 2011, 08:41:12 AM
Also - is there any reason why 16 is a magic number?
I understand the importancee of 12 (championship game), but what does 16 get you in college football land?
Dude I have no idea. This whole process is ridiculous I will be so glad when it is over. I mean 16 teams is practically its own league.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 19, 2011, 08:44:47 AM
there's actually a litmis test every few years. If you don't pass your automatic BCS bid is taken away from you. They probably can't restock enough to pass the next test without the Big 12 or Big East taking in the teams from the other. The MWC, WAC and CUSA just don't have enough teams with potential to do it.
From what I've read the nonfootball teams in the Big East have had it and are going to form their own Basketball league, so that would leave the Big 12 the survivor by default.
It is amazing a guy who supposedly doesn't give a crap about College Sports at all except to scout for the pros is reading so much about conference re-alignment.
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2011, 08:45:41 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 19, 2011, 08:41:12 AM
Also - is there any reason why 16 is a magic number?
I understand the importancee of 12 (championship game), but what does 16 get you in college football land?
Dude I have no idea. This whole process is ridiculous. I mean 16 teams is practically its own league.
1st of all it's more money.
Further consideration. Each 8 team division is like its own sub-conference. Makes scheduling easier, less cupcakes and more competition, theoretically makes a playoff easier.
The fake Dan Beebe on Twitter is apparently 'drunk'. :lol:
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2011, 08:52:15 AM
The fake Dan Beebe on Twitter is apparently 'drunk'. :lol:
:lol:
Fake Dan Beebe is smarter than the real one.
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2011, 08:47:19 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 19, 2011, 08:44:47 AM
there's actually a litmis test every few years. If you don't pass your automatic BCS bid is taken away from you. They probably can't restock enough to pass the next test without the Big 12 or Big East taking in the teams from the other. The MWC, WAC and CUSA just don't have enough teams with potential to do it.
From what I've read the nonfootball teams in the Big East have had it and are going to form their own Basketball league, so that would leave the Big 12 the survivor by default.
It is amazing a guy who supposedly doesn't give a crap about College Sports at all except to scout for the pros is reading so much about conference re-alignment.
That's the secondary reason I watch it. The first is that I love the game of football, when I'm back home if there's a game it's on tv, even if it's division IAA. From a competitive stand point I think this will make the game better.
The traditions of the game don't mean anything to me because I grew up in an area of the country without big time college football. The team I follow, Notre Dame is an independent. If they get invited to the Big 10 nothing changes (maybe the game with USC goes away, but that's not a big deal to me).
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2011, 08:44:52 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 19, 2011, 08:40:11 AM
Why would Big 12 or ACC fold up shop however?
They are BCS conferences, and any member of those conferences have an excellent shot at a BCS bowl game. They can just re-stock with members, some teams will rise to the top because of playing a weak in-conference opposition, and the world will go on?
I mean - isn't that what happened when the ACC poached some of the best teams away from the Big East several years ago?
The ACC is not going to. They are going to be stronger than ever.
My mistake - meant Big East.
I've never heard of a "litmus test" for BCS conferences though.
How is Boise St screwed? Wherever they end up is bound to be better than the WAC.
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2011, 08:45:41 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 19, 2011, 08:41:12 AM
Also - is there any reason why 16 is a magic number?
I understand the importancee of 12 (championship game), but what does 16 get you in college football land?
Dude I have no idea. This whole process is ridiculous I will be so glad when it is over. I mean 16 teams is practically its own league.
I thought grumbler made a good point when he said that it isn't really going to be 4 16 team leagues, it will be 8 8 team leagues.
16 works because it is the largest number that makes for nice divisions, and the larger the number, the larger the TV cash. This consolidation is inevitable, I think, just because everyone wants to make the pot of cash as large as possible. The real gaming is in getting the
right 16 teams for your conference.
Hmmm, the Pac-16 is apparently considering (if this all happens of course) not two 8 team divisions at all.
Rather they are supposedly considering 4 4 team pods.
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
USC
UCLS
Cal
Standford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Each year you play the 3 other teams in your pod, and 2 teams from each of the other three pods for a 9 game conference schedule.
Each year you pair the pods to create 8 team divisions, but every two years you swap them out, so you get a home and home.
Needless to say, while the Pac-16 is a pretty neat idea in theory, in a practical sense, it probably is a screw job for Arizona in football at least.
I dunno - sounds like the weakest pod in the conference. Wouldn't that be an advantage for Zona?
Quote from: Barrister on September 19, 2011, 01:24:49 PM
I dunno - sounds like the weakest pod in the conference. Wouldn't that be an advantage for Zona?
Nah, it isn't about the strength of your pod, it is about the desirablity and marketability of your pod mates, since that is who you will be playing the most, and hence that is where you will be traveling the most.
In other words, right now Arizona gets a trip to Southern California every single year. Southern California is where the bulk of Arizona's recruits come from (there and Texas for Arizona). Under almost any new system, Arizona will no longer be visiting Southern California every year.
Ah, recruiting. I hadn't considered that angle.
Quote from: Barrister on September 19, 2011, 01:35:24 PM
Ah, recruiting. I hadn't considered that angle.
Well Arizona could balance that with a game in Texas every year but Austin and Lubbock are not Dallas, Houston, or LA.
But anyway there is quite a bit to discuss about the PAC but there is no real reason to get into it until official announcements are made.
Still hoping A&M gets rejected. :menace:
ESPN was reporting this morning that Notre Dame was signaling interest in conference play, and they'd only be interested in joining the ACC.
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
You don't want to see ND play the Terps every year or two? :P
Bizarre. I wonder why they'd prefer the ACC over the B1G? :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 20, 2011, 07:21:29 AM
You don't want to see ND play the Terps every year or two? :P
No. No I don't. :mad:
Besides, they're the perfect Big 10 team; they keep Michigan and Michigan St, and their OOCs can still be Navy and USC. I'd love to see them in the Big 10.
B1G
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 20, 2011, 07:23:54 AM
Bizarre. I wonder why they'd prefer the ACC over the B1G? :hmm:
I suspect it has something to do with money. The ACC is controlled by ESPN so maybe Disney's evil underlings have been whispering in their ears.
Seriously? First that lame ass "Legends" and "Leaders" crap and now B1G?! I remember when the Big 10 was still cool...way back in 2010.
Lies. The Big 10 was never cool.
Unlike the Big 12 they take pride in being able to count.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 20, 2011, 07:52:31 AM
Unlike the Big 12 they take pride in being able to count.
I am puzzled how "B1G", "Legends", and "Leaders" indicate counting prowess.
Don't worry Val, I bet they change it again when they eventually go to 16 teams. Except trying to hang on to the Big Ten name.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 20, 2011, 08:51:57 AM
Don't worry Val, I bet they change it again when they eventually go to 16 teams.
Well if they did go to 16 at least 1G sorta looks like 16. Hey it is not Ohio State's fault Jim Delany is a dork.
Quote from: Valmy on September 20, 2011, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 20, 2011, 08:51:57 AM
Don't worry Val, I bet they change it again when they eventually go to 16 teams.
Well if they did go to 16 at least 1G sorta looks like 16. Hey it is not Ohio State's fault Jim Delany is a dork.
If he helps get rid of the NCAA, I'll bow to a golden statue of him.
What do you guys think of Notre Dame joining the ACC?
Dude at Yahoo, seems to think it's a great idea.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AqtRLAsL_19h8gHVlpzE48E5nYcB?slug=dw-wetzel_notre_dame_should_jump_to_acc_091911
I think it sucks. ND should be in the Big 10. Heck ND's Hockey Conference is even about to fall apart as the Big 10 is about to form their own. The very fact ND has a hockey team suggests it belongs in the Big 10 and not the ACC.
Quote from: Valmy on September 20, 2011, 10:08:29 AM
I think it sucks. ND should be in the Big 10. Heck ND's Hockey Conference is even about to fall apart as the Big 10 is about to form their own. The very fact ND has a hockey team suggests it belongs in the Big 10 and not the ACC.
BC has a perennial contender for the national championship doesn't it?
I read somewhere that one of Notre Dame's big reasons for not wanting to join the B1G (derp) was because of that alliance they have where they share research money. Apparently, they don't like the idea of good Catholic $$ going toward stem cell research. Might be bullshit, might not. vOv
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 20, 2011, 10:09:26 AM
BC has a perennial contender for the national championship doesn't it?
I would hope you know the answer to that question. But how many ACC teams are in BC's conference? Zero. That's right.
The Big 10 will be the only major conference that has hockey...in a year or so.
Apparantly TCU is a bit worried about their move to the Least. The Mountain West is reminding them that the grass is not always greener...
Garrett Gilbert had shoulder surgery and is out for the season. He was apparently injured during the Rice game.
I guess he'll get himself a medical redshirt year and transfer somewhere he can play. Or not. Whatever. Doesn't really matter anymore.
What I wonder is if they'll stop putting Ash out there to run his version of the zone read (QB keeps the ball no matter what) now that there are only two QBs on the roster. They might need to look in to checking out some of those ATH guys they recruited and teaching them the zone read or something just in case.
Either that, or make plan B simply: Wildcat up and down the field with Fozzy. I could dig it.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2011, 03:49:56 PM
Rumors on the interwebs say that West Virginia has sent an application to the SEC. :ph34r:
It's sounding like WVU was rejected by both the ACC and SEC. Ouch.
Big 12 seems most likely at this point. Just read that the Big East & Big 12 are talking about a merger.
I just want all this shit to be over with soon.
Quote from: derspiess on September 20, 2011, 11:34:30 AM
It's sounding like WVU was rejected by both the ACC and SEC. Ouch.
Big 12 seems most likely at this point. Just read that the Big East & Big 12 are talking about a merger.
The Big Leftovers
Sooners want Dan Beebe out.
QuoteDanBeebe Fake Dan Beebe
HOW ABOUT I REMOVE YOU INSTEAD OKLAHOMA. wait no dont go
:D
Quote from: Valmy on September 20, 2011, 10:08:29 AM
I think it sucks. ND should be in the Big 10. Heck ND's Hockey Conference is even about to fall apart as the Big 10 is about to form their own. The very fact ND has a hockey team suggests it belongs in the Big 10 and not the ACC.
qft
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 20, 2011, 07:52:31 AM
Unlike the Big 12 they take pride in being able to count.
arent there 12 teams in the big 10?
:Embarrass:
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Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2011, 08:44:52 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 19, 2011, 08:40:11 AM
Why would Big 12 or ACC fold up shop however?
They are BCS conferences, and any member of those conferences have an excellent shot at a BCS bowl game. They can just re-stock with members, some teams will rise to the top because of playing a weak in-conference opposition, and the world will go on?
I mean - isn't that what happened when the ACC poached some of the best teams away from the Big East several years ago?
The ACC is not going to. They are going to be stronger than ever.
My mistake - meant Big East.
I've never heard of a "litmus test" for BCS conferences though.
it's true...if the conference doesnt have a top x finisher every so many years it can lose bcs status
I dont remember what x is
i remember this from my gator bowl committee class
Quote from: Rasputin on September 20, 2011, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 20, 2011, 07:52:31 AM
Unlike the Big 12 they take pride in being able to count.
arent there 12 teams in the big 10?
:Embarrass:
That's why they renamed it the B1G
Quote from: derspiess on September 20, 2011, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2011, 03:49:56 PM
Rumors on the interwebs say that West Virginia has sent an application to the SEC. :ph34r:
It's sounding like WVU was rejected by both the ACC and SEC. Ouch.
Not so much as rejected as put on hold by the SEC. They want Missouri as 14, if they need a 15 or 16th team I'm sure WVU would get an invite.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 20, 2011, 06:10:05 PM
That's why they renamed it the B1G
I'm distracted at the moment, so....
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Had some drunk dumbass Oklahoma fan start shit with me, my brother & 3 other guys Saturday night. He overheard us talking about the Big East in the conference shakeup & decided to tell us how shitty the Big East was. None of us disagreed, but my brother decided to point out that Oklahoma got the beat shit out of it by WVU in 2008 in the Fiesta Bowl. That set him over the edge & he told us "you better watch your asses in the parking lot" even though the Yard House didn't have a parking lot.
Seems like every encounter I have with a Sooners fan is more or less like that. It was a joy when all their fans traveled up for the Cincinnati game last year.
Wow, drunken sports fans at a sporting event. Shockink.
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Quote from: sbr on September 16, 2011, 11:40:49 PM
Meh.
It's set up to be like a couple hours after Oklahoma's meeting.
So after OU chickens out, Texas will announce they will be staying right where they are. Oh how exciting it shall be.
You got some inside information? Everything I read has the OU board of regents unanimous on leaving for the PAC-12 whether Texas follows them or not.
Bwahahaha
QuoteWALNUT CREEK, Calif.– In light of the widespread speculation about potential scenarios for Conference re-alignment, the Pac-12 Presidents and Chancellors have affirmed their decision to remain a 12-team conference. Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott said, "after careful review we have determined that it is in the best interests of our member institutions, student-athletes and fans to remain a 12-team conference. While we have great respect for all of the institutions that have contacted us, and certain expansion proposals were financially attractive, we have a strong conference structure and culture of equality that we are committed to preserve. With new landmark TV agreements and plans to launch our innovative television networks, we are going to focus solely on these great assets, our strong heritage and the bright future in front of us.""
VICTORY!
Tim tainted OU. Do you take requests Tim?
Quote from: Valmy on September 20, 2011, 10:53:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 17, 2011, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 16, 2011, 11:52:19 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 16, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 16, 2011, 11:40:49 PM
Meh.
It's set up to be like a couple hours after Oklahoma's meeting.
So after OU chickens out, Texas will announce they will be staying right where they are. Oh how exciting it shall be.
You got some inside information? Everything I read has the OU board of regents unanimous on leaving for the PAC-12 whether Texas follows them or not.
Bwahahaha
QuoteWALNUT CREEK, Calif.– In light of the widespread speculation about potential scenarios for Conference re-alignment, the Pac-12 Presidents and Chancellors have affirmed their decision to remain a 12-team conference. Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott said, "after careful review we have determined that it is in the best interests of our member institutions, student-athletes and fans to remain a 12-team conference. While we have great respect for all of the institutions that have contacted us, and certain expansion proposals were financially attractive, we have a strong conference structure and culture of equality that we are committed to preserve. With new landmark TV agreements and plans to launch our innovative television networks, we are going to focus solely on these great assets, our strong heritage and the bright future in front of us.""
VICTORY!
Tim tainted OU. Do you take requests Tim?
That had nothing about OU chickening out or becoming unwilling to leave without Texas.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 20, 2011, 10:57:41 PM
That had nothing about OU chickening out or becoming unwilling to leave without Texas.
Details! VICTORY IS MINE!
You lose.
Quote from: Rasputin on September 20, 2011, 05:28:37 PM
it's true...if the conference doesnt have a top x finisher every so many years it can lose bcs status
I dont remember what x is
i remember this from my gator bowl committee class
It's something like if the average final ranking of a conference's champion is worse than 16th(?) over a 5-year period, the conference loses its BCS status.
Quote from: Valmy on September 20, 2011, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 20, 2011, 10:57:41 PM
That had nothing about OU chickening out or becoming unwilling to leave without Texas.
Details! VICTORY IS MINE!
You lose.
What? Don't be ridiculous.
The PAC 12 probably decided to not expand because Texas wouldn't compromise enough on the Longhorn network.
EDIT: I'm right
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/
QuoteBeen on the phone for last 30 minutes. Here's why league did not expand, in a nutshell:
It determined that a 14-school conference was awkward and it would not bow to Texas' revenue demands.
According to a source, Larry Scott walked away from weekend meeting with Texas knowing the Longhorn Network and the Pac-12 revenue model could not work together.
It was zero or four and the four was too problematic — no interest in meeting UT's revenue demands — so it's at zero, which is where the CEOs wanted to be all along.
:bleeding: Seriously that is how that story is going to be spun? Hilarious. Well actually not so much hilarious as :frusty:
In any case the Big 12 lives on. Everybody, except A&M, is going to kiss and make up next week.
Fake Dan Beebe rejoices.
Pretty simple really. The Pac-12 schools were not all that keen on the idea of expansion anyways, and UCLA and USC gave up their unequal revenue sharing arrangements last year when the conference added Utah and Colorado.
The Pac-12 was not that keen on the idea of expansion period, and if Texas was not willing to an equal deal, there is no way USC and UCLA (at the very least) would go along since they just gave up their "first among equals" deal in the name of equality. Without the Texas schools, the financial incentive is simply not there to justify the risk of going to 14.
Texas once again sinks the Pac-16 super conference because they aren't interested in playing on the same field as everyone else in their conference.
I am actually kind of relieved. I don't think the Pac-16 is going to feel like the Pac-10 at all. It is probably going to happen eventually anyway though...
Of course, there is the very real possibility that this is just more posturing, and the dealing is still ongoing...who knows.
I think that Scott is in the drivers position though and knows it. If this is the end of the potential move to get those 4 teams into the Pac-16, I wonder how OU is feeling if in fact Texas has once against screwed the deal up?
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 07:17:52 AM
Of course, there is the very real possibility that this is just more posturing, and the dealing is still ongoing...who knows.
I think that Scott is in the drivers position though and knows it. If this is the end of the potential move to get those 4 teams into the Pac-16, I wonder how OU is feeling if in fact Texas has once against screwed the deal up?
I'm sure Scott hopes Texas caves in and comes crawling back offering equal scares.
Probably won't happen this year though, unless Missouri defects to the SEC further crippling the Big 12.
Quote from: dps on September 20, 2011, 11:04:26 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 20, 2011, 05:28:37 PM
it's true...if the conference doesnt have a top x finisher every so many years it can lose bcs status
I dont remember what x is
i remember this from my gator bowl committee class
It's something like if the average final ranking of a conference's champion is worse than 16th(?) over a 5-year period, the conference loses its BCS status.
i seem to recall that it was more like the conference must have a top x finisher at least y times in the last z years
I learned it a couple of years ago and I seem to recall that the big east was the only bcs conference in danger
Quote from: Rasputin on September 21, 2011, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: dps on September 20, 2011, 11:04:26 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 20, 2011, 05:28:37 PM
it's true...if the conference doesnt have a top x finisher every so many years it can lose bcs status
I dont remember what x is
i remember this from my gator bowl committee class
It's something like if the average final ranking of a conference's champion is worse than 16th(?) over a 5-year period, the conference loses its BCS status.
i seem to recall that it was more like the conference must have a top x finisher at least y times in the last z years
I learned it a couple of years ago and I seem to recall that the big east was the only bcs conference in danger
Can a non BCS conference earn an autobid by having a top x finisher at least y times in the last z years?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2011, 08:17:37 AM
Can a non BCS conference earn an autobid by having a top x finisher at least y times in the last z years?
Supposedly, though the BCS has not released in full their super-secret formula. A moving target is hardest to hit.
:lol:
No apocalypse, but chaos is still entertaining.
So, is it okay to have the Longhorn Network now, or is Texas still somehow not allowed to sell their tier 3 rights like, say, Ohio State, Florida, and Kansas? Yes, the Kansas that is in the Big 12. No, no one is getting all pissed and leaving because they don't share their bigass pile of basketball money.
"UNFAI...wait what you mean there are lots of schools that sell these rights? Well I'm just going to be mad because it's Texas!"
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 10:00:30 AM
:lol:
No apocalypse, but chaos is still entertaining.
So, is it okay to have the Longhorn Network now, or is Texas still somehow not allowed to sell their tier 3 rights like, say, Ohio State, Florida, and Kansas? Yes, the Kansas that is in the Big 12. No, no one is getting all pissed and leaving because they don't share their bigass pile of basketball money.
"UNFAI...wait what you mean there are lots of schools that sell these rights? Well I'm just going to be mad because it's Texas!"
Climb down off that burnt orange cross already.
Has nothing to do with Texas, the Pac-12 would not take Kansas either if they insisted on getting a special deal.
If Texas can continue to bully some conference so they get the lions share of the cash, good for them.
However, comparing basketball money and football money is kind of ignorant. Nobody cares about Kansas and their basketball money, because it is small potatoes in the overall scheme of things.
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 10:21:38 AM
Has nothing to do with Texas, the Pac-12 would not take Kansas either if they insisted on getting a special deal.
Special deal like....say.....USC and UCLA getting guaranteed a certain amount of money, even if the equal revenue sharing doesn't work out to that much? That kind of special deal?
QuoteIf Texas can continue to bully some conference so they get the lions share of the cash, good for them.
I would like you to tell me more about what, exactly, you think it is that Texas is doing for this "lions share" of the cash. You've said this, or something similar to it before, then conveniently disappeared. Don't leave this time. Explain.
QuoteHowever, comparing basketball money and football money is kind of ignorant. Nobody cares about Kansas and their basketball money, because it is small potatoes in the overall scheme of things.
I'm not comparing the money, not that Kansas basketball is small-time when it comes to money. I'm comparing the sale of rights. Also, I like how you totally left out the others, who are in supposedly "equal" conferences, and that it's apparently about the amounts they sold for, not the fact that they were sold at all. It's cool for Ohio State to sell theirs for $110 million, or Florida for $80 million. $300 million is just going too far!
Would it make a difference to you if a chunk of the money was earmarked for the academic side of things, instead of all of it going straight into the athletic department? Would, say, $25 million going to academics lower the total amount the AD receives enough for you to approve, Berkut?
Would it all be okay if Texas, and the rest of the conference, of course, agreed to equal Tier 1 and 2 revenue sharing, but kept their rights to Tier 3 stuff?
Edit: How much (or little) do you think Kansas makes off their basketball contract?
Anyway....I wonder if the conference will get rid of Beebe like OU (supposedly) wants now that they apparently aren't able to go to the PAC. Interesting tidbit that I read about this particular situation: Beebe was supported by Oklahoma, while Texas supported Swarbrick for commissioner. Beebe got the job, and Swarbrick went to Notre Dame. If they shitcan Dan, I wonder who would replace him, and if the new guy would have such an outstanding fake twitter account.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 10:21:38 AM
Has nothing to do with Texas, the Pac-12 would not take Kansas either if they insisted on getting a special deal.
Special deal like....say.....USC and UCLA getting guaranteed a certain amount of money, even if the equal revenue sharing doesn't work out to that much? That kind of special deal?
If Texas was interested in THAT kind of deal (a temporary deal to entice UCLA and USC to give up their long term unequal sharing of revenue) I bet Scott would entertain the idea at least. Texas doesn't have the same kind of leverage that USC and UCLA had of course, since they were already in the conference and being asked to give something up for the greater good.
If by special deal Texas means 1 set of rules for 15 schools, and a different set of rules for them....no. Which is what they want.
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QuoteIf Texas can continue to bully some conference so they get the lions share of the cash, good for them.
I would like you to tell me more about what, exactly, you think it is that Texas is doing for this "lions share" of the cash. You've said this, or something similar to it before, then conveniently disappeared. Don't leave this time. Explain.
Explain what? Texas wants to have their own network instead of working under the conference network like everyone else. That is fine, but why would you assume that the Pac-12 should agree to it? What are you whining about here? Are you saying that there is no demand from Texas that they get some kind of special deal, and all the news reports are lying or something?
I really don't understand your bitch - are you angry that the Pac-12 won't take Texas unless Texas agrees to the terms the Pac-12 has decided to govern themselves under? What difference does it make what deal Florida and OSU have? Neither of those teams are in the Pac-12, and don't get a vote on Texas joining.
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QuoteHowever, comparing basketball money and football money is kind of ignorant. Nobody cares about Kansas and their basketball money, because it is small potatoes in the overall scheme of things.
I'm not comparing the money, not that Kansas basketball is small-time when it comes to money.
Compared to football they are. Arizona has one of the most profitable basketball programs in the country, top 5 in fact, and it doesn't make nearly as much as our very average BCS football program. Which is why none of this conference realignment talk centers around the finances of any sport other than football.
Your "example" is a complete red herring. But even at that, you can be certain that if Kansas wants to join the Pac-12, they would have to give up any special deals they have for basketball as well.
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I'm comparing the sale of rights. Also, I like how you totally left out the others, who are in supposedly "equal" conferences, and that it's apparently about the amounts they sold for, not the fact that they were sold at all.
*I* left them out? Left them out of what?
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It's cool for Ohio State
Is Ohio State looking to join the Pac-12?
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to sell theirs for $110 million, or Florida for $80 million. $300 million is just going too far! Would it make a difference to you if a chunk of the money was earmarked for the academic side of things, instead of all of it going straight into the athletic department?
Huh? WTF are you babbling about?
It is "cool with me" if Texas sells their rights for $500 million, I don't care. But if they want to join the Pac-12, they will have to do so under a long term equal revenue sharing scheme. I think Scott is VERY smart to do that, because it makes the *conference* healthy, even if it isn't quite so lucrative for Texas.
Now, I would personally argue that Texas is not seeing the forest for the trees, and their insistence on getting a larger portion of the revenue pie, while understandable (they are after all the largest audience and are generating a larger portion of the revenue) is going to hurt them in the long run, even if it nets them piles of cash in the short run. This isn't a hard argument to make - watching the Big-12 disintegrate over the issue makes the argument for me, in fact.
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Edit: How much (or little) do you think Kansas makes off their basketball contract?
A lot less than Texas makes from football. Maybe even less than Kansas makes from football. But basketball money is not significantly relevant to the conference consolidation game.
The more this goes on, the less I even want Texas in the Pac-10 no matter what kind of deal they agree to - they seem to think they are the combination of the New York Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys of college football.
Too high maintenance. They are like the super model bitch girlfriend. Sure, they look hot and everything, but eventually you just get tired of their shit and wish they would just shut the fuck up already.
Of course, they really do bring a hell of a lot of money to the table, so my boredom with their histrionics is not really relevant. Poor Okies.
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 11:28:54 AM
If Texas was interested in THAT kind of deal (a temporary deal to entice UCLA ans USC ot give up their lon term unequal sharing of revenue) I get Scott would entertain the idea at least.
If by special deal Texas means 1 set of rules for 15 schools, and a different set of rules for them....no. Which is what they want.
How do you know the specifics of what Texas and the PAC wanted? You have a link?
QuoteExplain what? Texas wants to have their own network instead of working under the conference network like everyone else. That is fine, but why would you assume that the Pac-12 should agree to it? What are you whining about here? Are you saying that there is no demand from Texas that they get some kind of special deal, and all the news reports are lying or something?
Explain how Texas is bullying a conference to get "the lion's share" of the revenue. It's not a difficult question. Again, you've said something similar before, then disappeared. Spit it out.
Anyway, I
don't assume the PAC-12 should agree to it, and never said I did. What I actually said was that the LHN would have to be reworked to fit into the PAC networks.
QuoteCompared to football they are. Arizona has one of the most profitable basketball programs in the country, top 5 in fact, and it doesn't make nearly as much as our very average BCS football program. Which is why none of this conference realignment talk centers around the finances of any sport other than football.
Your "example" is a complete red herring.[/quote]
So my examples of Kansas, Ohio State, and Florida selling their rights are not valid comparison to Texas selling their rights. Okay.
QuoteHuh? WTF are you babbling about?
Read it again. I can wait.
QuoteIt is "cool with me" if Texas sells their rights for $500 million, I don't care. But if they want to join the Pac-12, they will have to do so under a long term equal revenue sharing scheme. I think Scott is VERY smart to do that, because it makes the *conference* healthy, even if it isn't quite so lucrative for Texas.
You really do seem to care though, that's the thing. You whine about Texas "bullying" and taking the "lions share," and all that, then you seem to simply assume it all went down the way it did because Texas wanted everything and didn't want to negotiate at all.
Why can't the conference presidents simply not have wanted to expand at this time? Why couldn't it be that Texas didn't want to totally give the network up and was open to changing it to include more than just Texas and UTSA, but the PAC simply wanted it gone? Without a link or something, there's no way to know what happened.
QuoteNow, I would personally argue that Texas is not seeing the forest for the trees, and their insistence on getting a larger portion of the revenue pie, while understandable (they are after all the largest audience and are generating a larger portion of the revenue) is going to hurt them in the long run, even if it nets them piles of cash in the short run. This isn't a hard argument to make - watching the Big-12 disintegrate over the issue makes the argument for me.
You seem to be combining Texas with the ten other schools who voted for this particular revenue model. While I suppose DeLoss Dodds could have some sort of Darth Vader-like mind control powers, I'm more inclined to believe that Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and the others voted that way for a reason and weren't somehow forced to do so by Texas.
You're not watching the Big XII dissolve because of the Longhorn Network or revenue sharing. You're watching the Big XII dissolve because it has always been an unhappy marriage of convenience and schools are finding ways out.
QuoteA lot less than Texas makes from football. Maybe even less than Kansas makes from football. But basketball money is not significantly relevant to the conference consolidation game.
"I have no clue" would have been fine.
Edit: Hey look, more whining about Texas. And ugh you've edited.
Sorry, you still don't seem to have explained your silly "lions share" comment.
QuoteWhy can't the conference presidents simply not have wanted to expand at this time?
They don't want to expand at this time. The only reason the idea is being entertained is that it looks likely that other conferences are going to move to 16, and if it is going to happen it is better to be at the front of that move than the back.
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Why couldn't it be that Texas didn't want to totally give the network up and was open to changing it to include more than just Texas and UTSA, but the PAC simply wanted it gone?
I think the deal the Pac offered was to fold the network into the Pac network. WHich apparently was not good enough for Texas.
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Without a link or something, there's no way to know what happened.
There are lots of links out there, I certainly don't have any special information.
What I still don't understand is what you are whining about. You are just repeating what I already said, then throwning in some kind of martyr complex about it all. Texas does not want equal revenuse sharing, and the Pac insists on it. They could not come to an agreement, so the Pac is not going to add those 4 teams.
Why is this such cause for you to get all pissed off?
Texas is, however, screwing over the other 3 schools. It must suck to be them. But I suppose Texas needs to look out for Texas first. Which is really the crux of the entire thing. The Pac is about creating an equal revenue conference, and Texas doesn't want to be equal. That is the basic foundation of why they cannot come together.
And that does not conflict with anything in your post that I quoted.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 11:58:23 AM
"I have no clue" would have been fine.
Not really, since it implies that your red herring question has some relevance. I don't know how much Kansas makes, and apparently neitherdo you since you haven't posted it, but I do know that it doesn't matter.
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Edit: Hey look, more whining about Texas. And ugh you've edited.
You really do have quite the well developed victim complex there.
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Sorry, you still don't seem to have explained your silly "lions share" comment.
What is there to explain? Are you saying that Texas does in fact equally share revenue with the other Big-12 schools? Or that historically Texas has gotten a larger share of the conferences media revenue?
Hell, just today Texas is again stating that they are willing to divide the pot more evenly. Doesn't that suggest that it isn't all that evenly divided now? Didn't they agree a year ago to increase the percentage of media money that was divided equally (although not to 100% by any means, of course)?
....and of course, lets be clear - when we talk about "dividing the pot" we are talking strictly about media money. Even if the Big-12 divided all the media money perfectly evenly, Texas is still going to bring in a couple times as much as Baylor in total revenue.
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 12:10:58 PM
They don't want to expand at this time. The only reason the idea is being entertained is that it looks likely that other conferences are going to move to 16, and if it is going to happen it is better to be at the front of that move than the back.
I think the deal the Pac offered was to fold the network into the Pac network. WHich apparently was not good enough for Texas.
There are lots of links out there, I certainly don't have any special information.
Well with lots of them out there, it shouldn't be a problem posting one that deals with the specifics of the negotiations. It's fine. I won't kill myself and a bunch of innocent bystanders or something if I happen to be wrong. I'm not saying it isn't believable (Texas sure as hell doesn't want to give the LHN up if they don't have to, and they don't if they stay in the Big XII and it stays together), I just want you to post something backing up what you said.
QuoteWhat I still don't understand is what you are whining about. You are just repeating what I already said, then throwning in some kind of martyr complex about it all. Texas does not want equal revenuse sharing, and the Pac insists on it. They could not come to an agreement, so the Pac is not going to add those 4 teams.
Why is this such cause for you to get all pissed off?
I'm not pissed off. My first post that you responded to was about everything that has been said about the LHN causing these schools to be all mad and butthurt. The Longhorn Network is not fair. It just shows how greedy Texas is. Blah blah blah. I actually didn't say a thing to you, so you talking about me being mad with whatever you've said doesn't really work. It might mean
you are mad though, what with you throwing out the :words: about a post not directed toward you, your school, or the conference your school is associated with and all. However, I don't know, and tbh, I don't particularly care about how you currently feel. Sorry.
QuoteTexas is, however, screwing over the other 3 schools. It must suck to be them. But I suppose Texas needs to look out for Texas first. Which is really the crux of the entire thing. The Pac is about creating an equal revenue conference, and Texas doesn't want to be equal. That is the basic foundation of why they cannot come together.
And yet, you still haven't linked anything that says Texas wanted to join the PAC and take the majority of the money.
QuoteAnd that does not conflict with anything in your post that I quoted.
Of course Texas needs to look out for Texas first. Every school should be doing that. That doesn't mean that Texas is somehow screwing anyone else over by doing so.
QuoteNot really, since it implies that your red herring question has some relevance. I don't know how much Kansas makes, and apparently neitherdo you since you haven't posted it, but I do know that it doesn't matter.
My question was "How much (or how little) do you think Kansas makes off of their basketball contract?" You don't know. Just say that. It's okay.
Kansas reportedly makes around $7,000,000 a year from the media rights they have sold. They get really huge ratings for the stuff they show, and that doesn't include the Tier 1 and Tier 2 contracts. The football game between Kansas and Texas this year will be on the Longhorn and Jayhawk Networks. I believe ESPN is paying them another couple of million for that as well.
For comparison, Texas will receive something like $11,000,000 the first year, with the amount increasing by something like 2-3% every year. Portions of it will go to...uh...I think it's a marketing company, so they don't just get all of it. Another $5,000,000 a year will go to the university for five years. It averages out to ~$15,000,000 a year (before those deductions) until ESPN has paid off their $298 million, which is when Texas will get bumped up to 70% of the profits and the number could possibly just go through the roof.
While Texas will certainly make more money from selling their football, basketball, baseball, and non-revenue sports rights, etc, the amount of money Kansas pulls in for just basketball (and some coaches shows and shit like that) is not some trivial, irrelevant number, and it absolutely does matter when discussing the sale of media rights, no matter how much you don't want it to.
QuoteYou really do have quite the well developed victim complex there.
Well since you actually do seem to be bitching and whining about Texas, how does that make what I said incorrect? But tell me more about my victim complex while you talk about Texas bullying a conference and I call you on it.
QuoteWhat is there to explain? Are you saying that Texas does in fact equally share revenue with the other Big-12 schools? Or that historically Texas has gotten a larger share of the conferences media revenue?
Stop trying to weasel out of it and answer the question: You said Texas is bullying a conference for the lions share of the money.
How are they bullying the conference for the lions share of the money?QuoteHell, just today Texas is again stating that they are willing to divide the pot more evenly. Doesn't that suggest that it isn't all that evenly divided now? Didn't they agree a year ago to increase the percentage of media money that was divided equally (although not to 100% by any means, of course)?
Are these more examples of Texas bullying the conference?
Quote....and of course, lets be clear - when we talk about "dividing the pot" we are talking strictly about media money. Even if the Big-12 divided all the media money perfectly evenly, Texas is still going to bring in a couple times as much as Baylor in total revenue.
I've been talking about the sale of media rights from the beginning. Why? Have you been under the impression that I was talking about something else?
Why do the Sooners hate the LHN so much? What's wrong with showing High School games?
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 21, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
Why do the Sooners hate the LHN so much? What's wrong with showing High School games?
Pff. They are secretly using it as a scouting tool.
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 21, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
Why do the Sooners hate the LHN so much? What's wrong with showing High School games?
Why you gotta call UTSA a high school team? :(
Speaking of which, they lost again in their first road game. Welp.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 20, 2011, 09:17:42 PM
Wow, drunken sports fans at a sporting event. Shockink.
This was at a fairly upscale bar in Denver. And I'm pretty sure the guy was more stupid than drunk.
And even the sober Sooners fans at the Cincinnati game last year were acting the same way.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 01:07:07 PM
And yet, you still haven't linked anything that says Texas wanted to join the PAC and take the majority of the money.
Every article out there states exactly that. The primary article on ESPN opens with exactly that:
QuoteThe Pac-12 decided it won't expand further late Tuesday because commissioner Larry Scott failed to get assurance that Texas would back an equal revenue sharing plan if the league added the Longhorns, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, a source with direct knowledge told ESPN.com.
Valmy, did you know the Horns apparently have a junior QB named John Paul Floyd on their roster, and he is now the 3rd QB? :huh:
Quote from: BerkutEvery article out there states exactly that. The primary article on ESPN opens with exactly that:
Jesus Christ, Berkut. You are apparently completely incapable of posting a link. Here it is: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6998751/pac-12-conference-decides-expand-further
Why wouldn't you post this link from the beginning? Why did I have to continuously ask you for for it, and why did I end up finally having to google your quote and post a link for you so there would be more than one sentence to read? And no, every article out there
doesn't state that, including the one I was reading about it on CBSSports. This is why I asked you for one that did. (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32148466 (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32148466)) Hey look a link.
Also, just so you don't forget, you've said things like this a couple of times in this thread, and I'm not just letting you duck it:
QuoteYou said Texas is bullying a conference for the lions share of the money. How are they bullying the conference for the lions share of the money?
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 06:22:25 AM
The Pac-12 was not that keen on the idea of expansion period, and if Texas was not willing to an equal deal, there is no way USC and UCLA (at the very least) would go along since they just gave up their "first among equals" deal in the name of equality. Without the Texas schools, the financial incentive is simply not there to justify the risk of going to 14.
Texas was perfectly willing to deal when it came to media revenue. The original deal which Texas was in favor of was about that. But the PAC then came back and basically demanded absolute surrender which meant ESPN give up the LHN and the PAC take control and control the branding and content. That was a deal they had to know Texas could not accept. I understand it from a PAC perspective, the schools did not want it around, but it was not like Texas tanked a compromise. They agreed to it but the PAC schools were not interested in having the LHN in their conference and I get that.
But why the need to rip Texas? They worked for years to create this thing they are willing to bend on revenue but not tanking it entirely. It was just not a good deal for all involved.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 03:00:34 PM
Valmy, did you know the Horns apparently have a junior QB named John Paul Floyd on their roster, and he is now the 3rd QB? :huh:
Yep. Gilbert had season ending surgery. I knew Connor Wood transferring was bad hoodoo for Texas.
Quote from: Valmy on September 21, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
Yep. Gilbert had season ending surgery. I knew Connor Wood transferring was bad hoodoo for Texas.
Where did he come from? Is he a walk on or something that they've just had stashed somewhere? I have seriously never, ever, heard of this person.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 03:00:34 PM
Why wouldn't you post this link from the beginning? Why did I have to continuously ask you for for it, and why did I end up finally having to google your quote and post a link for you so there would be more than one sentence to read? And no, every article out there doesn't state that, including the one I was reading about it on CBSSports. This is why I asked you for one that did. (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32148466 (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32148466)) Hey look a link.
Well to be fair - all your link does is repeat the PAC-12's official statement.
Quote from: Barrister on September 21, 2011, 03:11:48 PM
Well to be fair - all your link does is repeat the PAC-12's official statement.
That is indeed true, which is why I asked for the link from him.
Edit: And if what Valmy says is in fact true, about the PAC wanting to simply shut it down/take it over, I can absolutely see why Powers and Dodds would balk at the idea and not give any sort of assurances to Larry Scott.
I guess I did not realize that finding the front page of an obscure sports site like ESPN would be so much trouble.
Literally every single article I've seen on the net about this says basically the same thing: Texas wanted a special deal, the Pac tried to come up with something where they could have the LHN but rolled into the Pac-16 network deal, Texas said it was not interested at the end of the day in something where they would not get MOAR, and the Pac-12 schools were not very gung ho about it all to begin with, so no go.
Maybe if the Pac-12 schools were not pretty much dragging their feet to begin with, Scott would have had more room to come up with something creative that Texas could have lived with, although the more I hear about this (from last year and now this year) the more I think what Texas wants is just not going to be compatible with a conference setup where there is not a clear "first among not so equals".
And to be fair, the current Pac-12 setup is not typical. The explicit goal of nearly completely equal revenue sharing throughout the conference is pretty unusual, I think. It's like the Pac-12 is being run by communists or something.
Hey Berkut:
You said Texas is bullying a conference for the lions share of the money. How are they bullying the conference for the lions share of the money?
You should answer this before we get into you providing your own links to back your own arguments up, what you think happened last year, and so on.
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 03:23:45 PM
the more I think what Texas wants is just not going to be compatible with a conference setup where there is not a clear "first among not so equals".
Like USC? :P
Quote from: Valmy on September 21, 2011, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 06:22:25 AM
The Pac-12 was not that keen on the idea of expansion period, and if Texas was not willing to an equal deal, there is no way USC and UCLA (at the very least) would go along since they just gave up their "first among equals" deal in the name of equality. Without the Texas schools, the financial incentive is simply not there to justify the risk of going to 14.
Texas was perfectly willing to deal when it came to media revenue.
I am sure they were - they always have been, even with their fellow Big-12 members. They are willing to argue all day about how much more than everyone else they should get.
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The original deal which Texas was in favor of was about that.
Did you see reports that stated there was ever actually a deal? All I ever heard was that there was a proposal that was being worked.
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But the PAC then came back and basically demanded absolute surrender
Oh, bullshit. So you are saying the Pac was negotiating in bad faith to begin with? Link?
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which meant ESPN give up the LHN and the PAC take control and control the branding and content. That was a deal they had to know Texas could not accept. I understand it from a PAC perspective, the schools did not want it around, but it was not like Texas tanked a compromise. They agreed to it but the PAC schools were not interested in having the LHN in their conference and I get that.
No, the Pac-12 is not interested in unequal revenue sharing for media rights. Nothing more or less.
I think even if Texas was willing to ditch LHN completely, there was still only lukewarm interest in bringing on those 4 schools, and that only really because of the perception that 16 team conferences are coming one way or the other, so you might as well get Texas.
Once it became clear that the only way to get Texas was to compromise the principles of equal revenue sharing, I think Scott realized that Texas wasn't really worth it, and he likely could not get buy in for any deal where Texas was running under different rules than the other 15. UCLA and USC would be pissed because they gave up their own more lucrative position when Scott sold the conference on expansion and reform. Colorado and Utah don't want their new sugar daddy caonference to be diluted, and they joined the Pac-10,not the Pac-8/UsedToBeBig12 lame ass division. UA and ASU never liked the idea of being in a sub-dvision that does not actually include the West Coast.
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But why the need to rip Texas? They worked for years to create this thing they are willing to bend on revenue but not tanking it entirely. It was just not a good deal for all involved.
Indeed. I am not ripping on Texas, I don't know why acknowledging that the basic problem is that Texas refuses to be an equal partner in their conference is somehow "ripping on them". It simply is the fact of the matter.
However, to the extent they deserve some ripping is that they are, IMO, simply wrong about the special unique wonderfulness of their brand. They've had a few good years, but there is nothing unique about Texas in the long run, and they should be trying to strike while the iron is hot, but instead they have drank their own kool-aid and are going to refuse to take advantage of two great opportunities because they are being short sighted, and think they are the next New York Yankees. That part is just my own opinion, of course.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 21, 2011, 03:32:26 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 03:23:45 PM
the more I think what Texas wants is just not going to be compatible with a conference setup where there is not a clear "first among not so equals".
Like USC? :P
Don't be ignorant. USC is not getting anything like the special treatment and distorted revenues Texas gets.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 03:28:38 PM
Hey Berkut:
You said Texas is bullying a conference for the lions share of the money. How are they bullying the conference for the lions share of the money?
Why should I answer that, since I never said it to begin with?
Although I am kind of curious about your fixation on this - are you saying that the Big-12 does not have a unequal revenue sharing model, or is your rage about the term "bullying", which you brought into the discussion in the first place?
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 03:36:47 PM
Why should I answer that, since I never said it to begin with?
wat
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=4536.msg315071#msg315071
QuoteIf Texas can continue to bully some conference so they get the lions share of the cash, good for them.
And there's also this one that you ducked earlier in the thread:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=4536.msg297707#msg297707
QuoteTexas gets the lions share of the revenue
You also called Texas a "thief and scoundrel" in that post, and while it would be interesting to see what you have to say about that, we should probably just stick to this current statement of yours.
Edit: Ah an edit:
QuoteAlthough I am kind of curious about your fixation on this - are you saying that the Big-12 does not have a unequal revenue sharing model, or is your rage about the term "bullying", which you brought into the discussion in the first place?
Answer the question.
OK, so what is it about the terms that have gotten your panties all bunched up like that?
Is it that you don't think Texas is "bullying" anyone, and they just let Texas get more money because they like the Longhorns so much? Is there any doubt that Texas is the 800lb guerilla of the conference, and that they can (and do) get their way in general over the objections of other schools, like Missouri?
Or do you dispute that the the overall media revenue scheme results in Texas getting more than other schools, in some cases quite a bit more to begin with?
I am pretty sure there isn't anything I can post that is going to meet your criteria to justify my comments, since in your mind Texas SHOULD get more than, say, Baylor. So what exactly is the point of this exercise?
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 03:46:24 PM
OK, so what is it about the terms that have gotten your panties all bunched up like that?
Just because I'm calling you on your horseshit doesn't mean I'm mad or something. You need to stop worrying about how I feel and just answer the question.
QuoteIs it that you don't think Texas is "bullying" anyone, and they just let Texas get more money because they like the Longhorns so much? Is there any doubt that Texas is the 800lb guerilla of the conference, and that they can (and do) get their way in general over the objections of other schools, like Missouri?
So your argument is that Texas just takes what they want, despite the objections of the rest of the conference? If so, that actually explains a lot.
QuoteOr do you dispute that the the overall media revenue scheme results in Texas getting more than other schools, in some cases quite a bit more to begin with?
No, of course not. No one has disputed that Texas makes more money than the rest of the conference, and in fact, every school in the country (although Bama might have moved up to #1 recently). This doesn't mean Texas is "bullying" or stealing or whatever else you've shit out.
QuoteI am pretty sure there isn't anything I can post that is going to meet your criteria to justify my comments, since in your mind Texas SHOULD get more than, say, Baylor. So what exactly is the point of this exercise?
What is my criteria for the justification of your comments? I'm also interested in the fact that you seem to think you can read minds.
I certainly don't think Baylor should get anything from the LHN, unless they are one of the teams who agree to have their game televised there, in which case, they should be compensated for it, but I don't really give a shit about the $3 million or whatever it would take for them to be equal with the rest of the media rights under the new TV contract. Texas apparently agrees with this position, as they are currently in favor of equally sharing the T1 and 2 rights. Hands off the LHN though. Of course the conference has to vote on that. The Longhorns can't simply decide to do it on their own. You knew that, right? About the voting?
My argument is that Texas doesn't want to share revenue equally, because they know that they are the dominant school in their conference, so why should they?
You can argue whether or not that is a good thing, or whether or not that is fair, and even whether or not it is good for Texas in the long run.
*I* think it is a bad thing, *I* think it hurts their conference (and that is pretty damn obvious since it is falling apart because of it), and *I* think Texas as an institution is suffering from a rather arrogant sense of their own importance. In fact, I feel that way enough that I don't want them anywhere near the Pac-1x if it means that they are coming in clearly with the attitude that they are bigger than the conference.
If they want to come in under the Pac-1x standards that each team is equal, and the sum of the teams are greater than the parts, awesome. I could even see the argument that in the Big-12, Texas is in fact enough of a gorilla when it comes to revenue and exposure that it would be silly to pretend otherwise, but in the Pac-1x they would be content to be one part of what would be the premier conference in the country.
Is this horseshit? I am sure Texas fans think so - such is the nature of fandom, your team can never do wrong, really. It is just like listening to Yankees fans argue that revenue sharing and salary caps are totally not necessary in baseball, and a system where one team spends more on their relief pitching staff than another does on their entire roster is just fine.
QuoteI certainly don't think Baylor should get anything from the LHN, unless they are one of the teams who agree to have their game televised there, in which case, they should be compensated for it, but I don't really give a shit about the $3 million or whatever it would take for them to be equal with the rest of the media rights under the new TV contract. Texas apparently agrees with this position, as they are currently in favor of equally sharing the T1 and 2 rights. Hands off the LHN though.
It is funny that now that Texas is set to rake in $300 million over 20 years from the LHN, they are suddenly a-ok with the idea of sharing revenue...not LHN revenue, of course, hands off of that! Even if it does mean that the conferences ability to create their own network is largely destroyed.
Oh yeah, we are all about equal revenue sharing of the small pot once we found this other big pot we don't intend to share! Of course you (and Texas) don't care about the $3 million NOW, it is small change, and Texas no longer needs it to dominate the rest of the conference.
The LHN is basically the fundamental issue with Texas - is Texas a individual school first and a conference member second, or the other way around? The answer to that is clear, and the answer for the Pac-1x schools is clear as well. You can't have your own network, because it dilutes the conferences ability to have their own network and make money for everyone.
Clearly Texas is too big for the Pac-12.
Berkut, you do know that a Big XII Network has come up for a vote and was shot down 11-1, right? You also know that Texas then decided to ask Texas A&M if they wanted in on something called the Lone Star Network, and Texas A&M said no, right? Texas ended up deciding to go it alone on the network, thinking that it would probably lose money (this is why A&M wasn't interested, they also tried to jump back in later after a lot of the expenses were taken care of), invested their own money, etc, getting the infrastructure built up, and then ESPN came along with their monster contract. You know this, yes?
Edit: You also know (and you would if you read posts in response to your earlier thievery accusation) that the conference revenue sharing model was voted in 11-1 too, yes? That's not Texas with 11 votes and everyone else combining for one, in case you were wondering.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 04:10:08 PM
Berkut, you do know that a Big XII Network has come up for a vote and was shot down 11-1, right? You also know that Texas then decided to ask Texas A&M if they wanted in on something called the Lone Star Network, and Texas A&M said no, right? Texas ended up deciding to go it alone on the network, thinking that it would probably lose money, invested their own money, etc, getting the infrastructure built up, and then ESPN came along with their monster contract, yes?
Nope, I did not know that. What is the story behind why it was rejected?
That is pretty funny, actually.
I don't dispute that Texas has every right to their network - just that it is going to make them a not very attractive conference partner to anyone who has any weight of their own.
However it came about, the fact remains that it is going to create a competitive nightmare for the rest of the conference. And would never work in the Pac-1x, which does in fact have their own network, and more importantly is fully invested in the idea of a fully integrated (and of course shared) conference media footprint.
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 04:03:05 PM
My argument is that Texas doesn't want to share revenue equally, because they know that they are the dominant school in their conference, so why should they?
Well that is a complicated question. Texas is happy to share revenue when they feel like it is in their interests to do so. In fact Texas and Oklahoma were in favor of splitting Tier 1 and 2 equally but A&M, who desperately needed the cash, wanted the original deal to go forward so the Big 12 modified. Fortunately Texas A&M is gone so the league will probably split equally going forward which is what the league should have done in 1996 but whatever.
The Tier 3 money was always each individual schools which will probably continue. Kansas always dominated the Tier 3 income because their Tier 3 Basketball is so lucrative so technically they always made the most TV money of any school in the Big 12. At least until the LHN.
But as I said before Texas never made much of its money from conference revenue because that was not its model. Giving up a few million bucks to make conference mates happy is a good investment.
But the LHN is a different animal. Texas wanted a Big XII network but got shot down, they wanted a Lone Star Network with A&M but got turned down, so they went it alone. And now that it worked they are hardly interested in shutting it down now. In any case even if the AD wanted to a third of LHN revenues goes directly to the academic side of the university and it has been hit hard by State budget cuts. President Powers is not going to turn away millions for academics for the sake of athletics.
However, I think you are basically right that while I always liked the idea of Texas in the PAC it was not going to be a good fit and even if it might have been a year ago it certainly is not now.
I am happy with the Big 12 but alot of work needs to be done, along with compromises by Texas I am sure, to recover its stability and reputation.
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 04:14:58 PM
Nope, I did not know that. What is the story behind why it was rejected?
That is pretty funny, actually.
The conference network? That was back before the BTN really got started and no one was sure if it was going to really work. Texas A&M was because they didn't think the LoneStar thing would be anything but a money pit, which, to be fair, Texas was considering the same thing, although they were willing to keep going with it because they wanted the exposure for the school
QuoteI don't dispute that Texas has every right to their network - just that it is going to make them a not very attractive conference partner to anyone who has any weight of their own.
However it came about, the fact remains that it is going to create a competitive nightmare for the rest of the conference. And would never work in the Pac-1x, which does in fact have their own network, and more importantly is fully invested in the idea of a fully integrated (and of course shared) conference media footprint.
It would certainly be really awkward to have something like the LHN right there along with, say, the PAC-16 Networks, which is why some sort of deal would have to be worked out. Because they spent so much money on it and all that though, outright saying "we're taking it," or whatever, isn't going to be the best way to bring Texas in. Maybe something like a gradual implementation like what was rumored with the BTN would be more...palatable...to them. Basically letting it run outside the conference network on it's own (with no BTN $$ going to Texas, and no Texas $$ going to the Big 10) until contract renegotiation time came, then folding it into the network. I don't remember the specifics of the...I think it was that Northwestern dude's post. I kinda disregarded it, but I don't remember it being all that bad of an idea.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 04:23:00 PM
The conference network? That was back before the BTN really got started and no one was sure if it was going to really work. Texas A&M was because they didn't think the LoneStar thing would be anything but a money pit, which, to be fair, Texas was considering the same thing, although they were willing to keep going with it because they wanted the exposure for the school
Shortsighted and inept conference leadership basically. They did not think it was a good investment. Jim Delany, on the other hand, immediately saw the value of the idea. I will be so glad to see Dan Beebe go. It sounds like both Texas and Oklahoma hated him so how he became and remained commissioner is a mystery.
Quote from: Valmy on September 21, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
Shortsighted and inept conference leadership basically. They did not think it was a good investment. Jim Delany, on the other hand, immediately saw the value of the idea. I will be so glad to see Dan Beebe go. It sounds like both Texas and Oklahoma hated him so how he became and remained commissioner is a mystery.
The only explanation for Beebe is that gigantic mole on his face. It has to just be scaring people off when they try to go tell him to fuck himself.
Only bad thing about the BTN is that they show crap like Indiana-Michigan women's soccer. With the huge crowd of 50 people in the stands. Woooooooooooooooooo
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
Only bad thing about the BTN is that they show crap like Indiana-Michigan women's soccer. With the huge crowd of 50 people in the stands. Woooooooooooooooooo
:lol: Yeah the LHN does the same thing. I saw a Texas vs. Cal State Northridge women's soccer match in the middle of the day when it was like 105 degrees out there. I'm sure you can imagine the enormous crowd that was on hand.
Even better, some games are called by students. yeah. At least they are better than Pam Ward.
You sorta hope the 'Boom Goes the dynamite' guy shows up.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2011, 04:42:10 PM
Even better, some games are called by students. yeah. At least they are better than Pam Ward.
You sorta hope the 'Boom Goes the dynamite' guy shows up.
Haha I didn't know they did that. What sort of games do they put the students on? Women's soccer and such, or do they even get them for things like baseball games?
ESPN is reporting that East Carolina has formally applied to join the Big East. Picking up ECU is what the Big East should have done this past off-season instead of putzing around waiting to see if Villanova wants to move up to 1-A.
Yarrr
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2011, 04:42:10 PM
Even better, some games are called by students. yeah. At least they are better than Pam Ward.
You sorta hope the 'Boom Goes the dynamite' guy shows up.
Haha I didn't know they did that. What sort of games do they put the students on? Women's soccer and such, or do they even get them for things like baseball games?
Softball and hockey was the ones I saw.
I've been seeing some stuff saying Beebe is out and Chuck Neinas is in as Big XII commissioner. Don't know if it's true or not, but there
is a Fake Chuck Neinas twitter account now.
First Fake Chuck Neinas...er....tweet (I hate myself for typing that word):
QuoteWhats a Beebe? @DanBeebe
Followed by:
QuoteHey @DanBeebe could you be a dear and set the thermostat to 61 on the way out. Leave the bowl of Werthers.
http://twitter.com/#!/ChuckNeinas (http://twitter.com/#!/ChuckNeinas)
:D
Fake Dan Beebe seems to have found out he might be fired about two hours ago.
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 11:53:52 AM
The more this goes on, the less I even want Texas in the Pac-10 no matter what kind of deal they agree to - they seem to think they are the combination of the New York Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys of college football.
Too high maintenance. They are like the super model bitch girlfriend. Sure, they look hot and everything, but eventually you just get tired of their shit and wish they would just shut the fuck up already.
Of course, they really do bring a hell of a lot of money to the table, so my boredom with their histrionics is not really relevant. Poor Okies.
So very true.
I think this a pretty good analysis of things as they stand. Still very unstable.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/as-the-expansion-dust-clears-whats-next/
QuoteAs the expansion dust clears, what's next?
Posted by John Taylor on September 21, 2011, 1:59 PM EDT
Monty Python
So we've wasted all of that time, effort and angst — in the midst of a football season, no less — for... that?
After two months worth of daily speculation, rumor and innuendo, the Pac-12 put the kibosh on Expansionpalooza v2.0 very late last night, announcing, in essence, "never mind, we're good" with their current 12-member makeup. At least, we think the kibosh has been put on a seismic shift in the conference landscape; with Texas, Oklahoma and the rest of the Big 12 dealing with myriad issues that some feel can be "resolved" by the laughably short-sighted, delaying-the-inevitable notion of a five-year promise of peace, anything is and will continue to be possible.
Wife: You're not happy, I'm not happy. May be it's time to go our separate ways.
Husband: Yeah, maybe you're right.
Wife, realizing she still wears the only pair of pants in the family: Or, we could stay together for a few more years and see if things change.
Husband, remembering getting shot down by the hot chick at closing time: Yeah, what the hell. Might as well give it a shot.
Many thought the Pac-12′s decision to eschew expansion at this time would result in some immediate conference clarity. That's far from the case for a situation even more fluid than it was just 24 hours ago, and with a plethora of additional questions as an added bonus. Don't believe me? Read on as I attempt to wade through the mass of fact, fiction and most everything else in between.
What's known...
* In 2010, Texas' unwillingness to bend on the issue of The Longhorn Network prevented the then-Pac-10 from expanding to 16 members. In 2011, Texas' unwillingness to bend on the issue of The Longhorn Network prevented the Pac-12 from expanding to 16 members.
* Texas A&M will become the 13th member of the SEC, whether it's in 2012 or 2013. With the Big 12 "saved from extinction", any incentive for Baylor et al to pursue legal means to prevent a move has vanished, meaning the Aggies should be free and clear to officially move to their new conference next summer.
* In a pair of public statements, the SEC denied two reports regarding Missouri, that the an offer of membership is on the table and that and an informal agreement among presidents is in place to bring the school into the conference.
* Pittsburgh and Syracuse will become the 13th and 14th members of the ACC, but probably not until the 2014 season as the Big East appears hellbent on abiding by the conference's bylaws and forcing the two schools to wait the mandated 27 months before departing. That, of course, could change pending any additions the Big East may make.
* Following a meeting of the football-playing members Monday night in New York City, the Big East announced that "we are committed as a conference to recruit top-level BcS-caliber institutions with strong athletic and academic histories and traditions." Commissioner John Marinatto went on to confirm in the statement that his conference "has been approached by a number of institutions", although he would not specify which schools.
* Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk confirmed publicly that he has spoken to conferences, specifically the Big East, regarding football-only membership.
* Current Conference USA member East Carolina has applied for membership into the Big East.
* Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson has confirmed that his conference and Conference USA have discussed a quasi-merger that would involve only the football programs.
* The Big Ten has no desire to expand unless there's a seismic shift in the conference makeup of college football — sorry, ACC; adding Pitt and 'Cuse doesn't count — or unless Notre Dame suddenly decides to shed their football independence.
* Unbelievably, there are football games — college football games — that will be played this weekend.
What's known to be rumored...
* Let's get this out of the way right off the bat: rebuffed by the Pac-12, Oklahoma, and by extension Oklahoma State, will turn their attention to the SEC even as they're publicly stating they are willing to give the Big 12 another go, provided certain concessions are made. At least, that's the rumor. Dating back to the first round of expansion apocalypse last May/June, it's long been thought OU has little to no interest in moving to the SEC. Given the change in circumstances, there's a chance — a very, very slim chance from this vantage point — that OU could have a change of heart and look Southeast.
* Missouri either has an offer on the table or the presidents/chancellors in the SEC have given an informal go-ahead for the school to join the conference. As noted above, the SEC has publicly denied either of those have occurred. Based on the leaks coming from Columbia, it appears MU either has an interest in the SEC or has — or had depending on their reaction to the Pac-12′s non-move last night — an interest in creating the impression that they had options other than the Big 12.
* West Virginia has been rebuffed in recent days by both the SEC and ACC (Note to 'Eers fans: remember the title of this little section). School officials have vehemently denied that's the case. Regardless of the veracity of either rumor — or the semantics involved — the speculation from most observers centers around WVU being what's described as a second-tier candidate — or fourth or fifth option, if you will — if the SEC ultimately decides to make a move to 14 or even 16 members.
* Both UConn and Rutgers have inquired about potential membership in the ACC. The latter school is also rumored to be double-dipping, batting their eyes at the Big Ten as well. Both schools were represented at the Big East football meeting of the minds Monday night — UConn's president and athletic director were represented by individuals from their offices — with RU athletic director Tim Pernetti stating that "[e]verybody is committed to going out and recruiting top-level institutions to enhance the future of the league." It's believed both school's "loyalty" to the Big East is tied directly to the ACC's willingness to go beyond 14 members.
* Air Force is one of the double-digit schools that has expressed interest in joining in the Big East, albeit as a football-only member. Why the Falcons would willingly leave a Mountain West Conference that may or may not become an automatic BcS qualifier for an unstable Big East that may or may not keep their automatic BcS qualifying status is unknown.
* UCF is considered a second-tier candidate for membership in the Big East. With a rising football program and significant television market it would bring to the table, it's unclear why they would be that "far" down the list for a conference that needs to add as many quality names as it can. UCF would seem to meet the criteria on all of fronts except for one: their proximity to USF.
* Somewhat below UCF on the Big East's radar is Villanova and Temple; separately, Memphis has reportedly been dismissed missed as a potential candidate as has East Carolina, which we noted above has already applied for membership.
Questions that remain unanswered...
What concessions are Texas willing to make in order to ensure the viability, at least in the short-term, of the Big 12?
Per reports, Oklahoma's demands are twofold: one, the removal of Dan Beebe as the conference's commissioner and, two, a vastly revamped Longhorn Network. The latter was an issue two years running in keeping UT out of the Pac-12, and it would appear the Austin school is now dealing from a position of strength now that their Red River rival's West Coast bluff has been called. Revenue sharing is the path of least resistance to conference stability (see: Big Ten, SEC); anyone who can't see that is either not the sharpest knife in the chandelier or whose closet is littered with burnt orange clothing. Will UT be willing to give up some of the power and money they've been allowed to grab in order to keep the Big 12 a viable conference? That's the $300 million question at this point in time.
Serve Beebe's head on a platter to preserve the Big 12?
Or, more specifically, will Oklahoma back off the condition they leaked to the media Monday, that Beebe must step down as commissioner in order to preserve the conference? Right or wrong, Beebe is perceived by current and former members of the Big 12 as being nothing but a puppet whose strings can only be pulled by Texas and that school's whims. We're guessing that condition won't be a significant stumbling block if still required, especially for a Texas school that reportedly didn't want Beebe as commissioner in the first place.
Who the hell would want to join this Big 12 morass?
"We're going to make this work and we're going to be stronger coming out on the other end and blah blah blah..." OK, whatever. The fact remains that if Texas acquiesces... if Oklahoma decides it's enough acquiescence... if Mizzou decides to turn its eyes away from the SEC, the Big 12 will be at nine schools once A&M officially leaves. The consensus is the conference will have to get back to 10 teams to satisfy provisions of its new television deal, or maybe even maintain the desire to get back to 12; the question is, how will a conference with such bitter infighting and outward instability be able to attract one school let alone three? The big incentives the conference has to dangle, of course, are a membership in a conference that would maintain its automatic BcS qualifying status as well as a TV deal that will pay each member in excess of $15 million annually, perhaps even more if UT agrees to equal revenue sharing. That would certainly be attractive to schools like BYU, Houston and SMU (West Virginia?) if they can get past the instability. Besides bodies, though, what would any combination of those schools, or any other schools for that matter, add to the Big 12? At this point, as long as the Big 12 has UT and OU, everything else is merely necessary window dressing anyway.
How long will the SEC remain comfortable with a baker's dozen?
The public face of the SEC is that they would be fine for the short-term with adding just A&M and sticking with 13 members in 2012. The reality is a 13-team conference creates a scheduling nightmare, with the very real potential of schools in the seven-team division playing one more conference game than their six-team counterparts. In a conference as competitive as the SEC, that should be unacceptable. On the other hand, the SEC doesn't want to add another school just to fill up a slot; it needs to be a fit that strengthens the long-term future of the league. Such a scenario points directly at current members of the ACC and their newly-implemented $20 million exit fee being in play if the SEC decides to expand. It's become quite the conundrum for the SEC, thanks in large part to the events out west last night, although it's nothing someone like commissioner Mike Slive can't comfortably and successfully navigate.
Will the ACC stand pat?
Somewhat shockingly, the ACC over the weekend became the first BcS conference to go above 12 members, poaching the Big East (again) to get to 14 members. Both UConn and Rutgers appear ready, willing and able to accept an invitation to the ACC; it remains a complete unknown whether that conference wants to be the first to create a "superconference" or, now that the Big 12 has been hauled out of the abyss (maybe) and the Pac-12 will seemingly remain at 12, is comfortable with where they are membership-wise.
Will TCU honor its commitment and move to the Big East?
You have to somewhat feel for TCU. In 2010, the school announced they were moving from the Mountain West to the Big East, with their eyes firmly affixed on the possible automatic bid attached to membership. A year later, the conference they will call home beginning in 2012 is in utter disarray thanks to a second round of poaching by the ACC. The Horned Frogs would appear to have two viable options: follow through and join the Big East or remain in the MWC, which would welcome the school back with open arms. An expanded Big 12 might also be a possibility, although the Texas schools are said to not want to add any new members from their recruiting footprint.
Is the Pac-12 really done expanding?
This is one to keep an eye on, in tandem with the Big 12′s ability to compromise. One of the current schools of thought is that the Pac-12′s decision to forego expansion this time around was merely a ploy to force Texas to come off their LHN stance and embrace equal revenue sharing on all levels. By all appearances, and armed with a mega-TV deal that will go into effect next year, Larry Scott and his bosses appear perfectly comfortable standing pat at 12 members. If UT decides it would be better to fold their network into the Pac-12′s regional model and share revenue equally instead of making the Big 12 work? Hello Expansionpalooza v3.0.
Halle-freaking-lujah...
Someone needs to let that dude know that DeLoss Dodds has already said sharing the LHN revenue is "not in play," has "never been in play,"
and the recent proposal about tier 1 and 2 revenue sharing came from Texas more than a month ago.
I mean, unless Dodds flat out lied to a reporter and allowed himself to be quoted on it. It would be pretty easy for the other ADs and whoever else is involved in these sorts of things to call him on it though, since he mentioned them as well and said they had approved of the idea.
Anyway, here's a thing about Beebe: http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32165006
QuoteThe Big 12 is poised to replace commissioner Dan Beebe with former Big Eight commissioner Chuck Neinas, CBSSports.com has learned.
One highly placed source said the conference was moving quickly to replace Beebe who had been under fire from some conference members after recent instability within the league. Neinas, currently a well-known college consultant, is expected to be named interim commissioner.
The official word could come as soon as Thursday when the Big 12 presidents meet by conference call to discuss how to move forward. Based on the news of Wednesday, the embattled league apparently will continue with nine schools while seeking additional members.
The Tulsa World reported Wednesday that the Big 12 had "targeted" Neinas, one of the most respected college figures in the country. Neinas was the assistant executive director of the NCAA from 1961-1971 and Big Eight commissioner from 1971-1980. He currently runs Neinas Sports Services.
Oklahoma and Texas are seemingly in the Big 12 fold after flirting with the Pac-12 for what seems like forever. Essentially, the Big 12 has taken a trip around the world the last few weeks and ended up in the exact same place -- without Texas A&M.
Chick Neinas is celebrating:
QuoteHey @_ChuckNeinas have you "farve'd" T. Boone and Deloss yet?
QuoteI have.
Looks like there's a challenger to the Big East's BCS throne!
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/ncaa_football/110921-c-usa-in-merger-talks-with-mwc#ixzz1YeKe4usa
QuoteC-USA in Merger Talks With MWC
Updated: Wednesday, 21 Sep 2011, 4:18 PM CDT
Published : Wednesday, 21 Sep 2011, 2:04 PM CDT
* MARK BERMAN
Sports Director
HOUSTON - Conference USA commissioner Britton Banowsky said he has been in conversations with Mountain West Commissioner Craig Thompson about creating a partnership between the two conferences for more than a year.
If the talks become reality the goal would be to land an invitation to the BCS.
"The conferences have worked well together in the past, for a long time, and are very similiar in nature, but we're not competitive because we have the western part of the United States taken up by their group and the eastern and southeastern United States and southwestern United States taken up by our group," said Banowsky in an interview with FOX 26 Sports.
"So the idea is to combine all of our football assets into one large creative consolidation that would span five time zones."
Banowsky believes the combined conferences would have the foundation that would be conducive to landing all of the intangibles necessary to make it work.
"It would not only afford us I think a real good television environment, given the number of TV windows on a given Saturday that we could fill, but would also give us a very high profile championship game and an opportunity to place a team into a higher profile postseason situation."
And Banowsky said becoming part of the Bowl Championship Series is the key.
"It's one of the primary goals," Banowsky said. It's something we're working on. I can't tell you right now that it is going to happen, but it's certainly something that we're exploring and it's innovative.
"It doesn't take away from anyone else. It just kind of adds to both of our interests and it's very complimentary."
However, Banowsky acknowledged should the two conferences come together, expansion is necessary.
"We only have 22 collectively and I think our hope would be to get to 24," Banowsky said. "So we would add teams."
And Banowsky said the schools added would play both football and basketball.
He said the new super-conference would have one configuration for football and another for all of the other sports including basketball.
"It would be one big banner for our football programs, but all of our other programming would stay under our existing conference organizations because it makes more sense from a regional scheduling standpoint that way.
Banowsky said a name for the football conference has not been determined.
"We started the conversations over a year ago," Banowsky said. "We're moving. It's somewhat complicated. Anytime you're dealing with as many as 22 or 24 institutions that go from Hawaii to Florida, it's complicated.
"We have to complete our due diligence and once we've completed our due diligence we'll move in a more focused stage with our respective governance groups, our presidents and chancellors and we'll see what happens. We'll see how they embrace it and see if it's a direction they want to head.
Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson told the Associated Press his conversations with Conference USA make sense.
"You want to put your membership in the best light possible," Thompson told the AP. "If that includes adding people, if that includes the creative conversation with Conference USA--you just want to be building the best stage for your members."
Thompson said he has spoken with Banowsky many times about merging football leagues.
And the Conference USA commissioner clearly believes a union between the two conferences would brighten the future for all of the schools under the C-USA and MWC banners.
"I'm cautiously optmistic," Banowsky said.
Rice athletics director Rick Greenspan said he is onboard with Banowsky's plan.
Rice is a member of C-USA.
"It's an idea that we have been working on quietly, both at the conference level and at the athletics director level," Greenspan said in an interview with FOX 26 Sports.
"It's an idea that's been broached with presidents and chancellors in the league. Anytime you're looking for this potential major-muscle movement, the devil is always in the details. We have not gotten to that point yet where we're scrubbing all of the prospective issues, but I think there's been some significant due diligence done in terms of the beginning of legislative thought process, the beginning of some discussion and some thoughts with our television partners and others.
"What we have said, as athletics directors in our conference, is empowered our commissioner to be both bold and creative."
Greenspan points out these talks are not in response to the current activity flowing through the college sports landscape.
"It's somewhat ironic that this discussion between our two conferences has taken place for a long time. It looks a little bit, in some minds, perhaps as reactionary as you see some of the Big East and Big 12 merger talks and all this rest," Greenspan said.
"This has been an idea that's been germinating for awhile. It's intriguing."
The WAC-Sunbelt reactionary merger will dominate them all. The Welt.
I like you, MBM, I really do. But you Texas fans are such cockmunchers sometimes.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 10:50:35 PM
I like you, MBM, I really do. But you Texas fans are such cockmunchers sometimes.
Suck it, Domer. :D
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 10:48:52 PM
The WAC-Sunbelt reactionary merger will dominate them all. The Welt.
Great name :D
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 10:50:35 PM
I like you, MBM, I really do. But you Texas fans are such cockmunchers sometimes.
Suck it, Domer. :D
:P I accept the sacrament of Notre Dame football as grace in the union of Christ, Holy Mother Church, and NCAA Division 1.
You, on the other hand, root for the football equivalent of speaking-in-tongues, snake handling Baptist healers. Ptooey.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2011, 10:52:11 PM
Great name :D
I'd love seeing a big "WELT" with some sort of bruise logo or something on the front of the UTSA uniforms.
One problem with my master plan: Did you know that there is apparently some sort of strange rivalry between fans of WAC teams and fans of Sunbelt teams? I've been cruising the WAC Rivals boards for UTSA football news, since those seem the most popular places (my god they're awful posting-wise, but they're good for up to the minute news), and it seems North Texas and ULL trolls (among others, but those are the majority from what I can tell) frequent the place talking a bunch of shit, etc.
There are twitter rumblings that WVU is talking seriously to the Big 12.
I hope that that's only in order to scare the SEC into taking them, otherwise it doesn't make much sense in my opinion.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2011, 11:04:50 PM
There are twitter rumblings that WVU is talking seriously to the Big 12.
I hope that that's only in order to scare the SEC into taking them, otherwise it doesn't make much sense in my opinion.
Nobody's going to scare the SEC into taking anybody. They don't need anybody, especially a middling program like WVU.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
:P I accept the sacrament of Notre Dame football as grace in the union of Christ, Holy Mother Church, and NCAA Division 1.
You, on the other hand, root for the football equivalent of speaking-in-tongues, snake handling Baptist healers. Ptooey.
What sucks is that ND and Texas, while being friendly with each other, which is fine, are also apparently all buddy buddy with the Mormons, which is not fine.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2011, 11:04:50 PM
I hope that that's only in order to scare the SEC into taking them, otherwise it doesn't make much sense in my opinion.
Well shoot, if TCU can join the Big East why not WVU in the Big 12. Not like a few extra hours in a plane every other week will kill them.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 11:10:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
:P I accept the sacrament of Notre Dame football as grace in the union of Christ, Holy Mother Church, and NCAA Division 1.
You, on the other hand, root for the football equivalent of speaking-in-tongues, snake handling Baptist healers. Ptooey.
What sucks is that ND and Texas, while being friendly with each other, which is fine, are also apparently all buddy buddy with the Mormons, which is not fine.
Nobody gives a shit about golden plates hidden with the Sioux if you get 500 yards of offense a game.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 21, 2011, 11:10:47 PM
Well shoot, if TCU can join the Big East why not WVU in the Big 12. Not like a few extra hours in a plane every other week will kill them.
I wonder if the Big XII would go after Louisville if WVU joined. My eye is twitching.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 11:11:25 PM
Nobody gives a shit about golden plates hidden with the Sioux if you get 500 yards of offense a game.
:lol:
Dude! Maybe you can tell me: Is it the Mormons or the Scientologists who receive planets as part of their eternal reward or whatever?
Or is it both? I had thought it was the Xenu guys, and it really seems like a more "Scientology" type thing, but when the Horns were playing BYU, some people were talking about planets being handed out and I got confused. :(
Pretty sure that's the Scientologists. And, to make matters worse, they can't even run the option.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 11:15:28 PM
Pretty sure that's the Scientologists. And, to make matters worse, they can't even run the option.
Okay that makes sense. Or at least...well....it makes sense that it's the Scientologists. I don't know, maybe they were saying something about Harsin and I just missed some posts or something.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 11:11:25 PM
Nobody gives a shit about golden plates hidden with the Sioux if you get 500 yards of offense a game.
:lol:
Dude! Maybe you can tell me: Is it the Mormons or the Scientologists who receive planets as part of their eternal reward or whatever?
Or is it both? I had thought it was the Xenu guys, and it really seems like a more "Scientology" type thing, but when the Horns were playing BYU, some people were talking about planets being handed out and I got confused. :(
Don't Mormons ascend to Godhood after they die? Maybe planets come with that?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2011, 11:09:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2011, 11:04:50 PM
There are twitter rumblings that WVU is talking seriously to the Big 12.
I hope that that's only in order to scare the SEC into taking them, otherwise it doesn't make much sense in my opinion.
Nobody's going to scare the SEC into taking anybody. They don't need anybody, especially a middling program like WVU.
Beyond the fact that the SEC doesn't need to add
anybody (though, yeah, it probably would be nice to have an even number of teams), trying to give yourself leverage by threatening to join the Big 12 at this point is like going up to some guy on the street, pulling a gun, putting it against your own head, and telling him that if he doesn't hand over his wallet, you're going to pull the trigger.
Fake Dan Beebe is completely melting down. All caps started an hour ago.
QuoteBAYLOR, YOU ARE A HORRIBLE LITTLE PUNK OF A SCHOOL WHO'S ONE CONGRESSMAN'S HEART ATTACK AWAY FROM BEING FORCED INTO D-II
COLORADO, I NEVER CARED ABOUT YOU AT ALL
IOWA STATE, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A DRAIN ON THE CONFERENCE AND ON MY SANITY. YOU ARE WORTHLESS. EVERYONE IS FLEEING YOU.
KANSAS, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE BIG EAST BY ALL DAMN MEANS DO SO, THEY LOVE SCHOOLS WITH GOOD BASKETBALL AND NO FOOTBALL PROGRAM WHATSOEVER
KANSAS STATE YOU ARE WORSE THAN KANSAS AT EVERYTHING, LITERALLY EVERYTHING
NEBRASKA YOU WOULD BE HAPPIER IN PRESCHOOL WHERE NOBODY HAS TO REALIZE THAT THEY'RE NOT SPECIAL LITTLE SNOWFLAKES THAT DESERVE CONSTANT HUGS
I HAVE NEVER BEEN HAPPIER THAN THE DAY NEBRASKA WEASELED OUT OF THE BIG 12 SO THEY COULD LET JIM DELANY TELL THEM HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE
TAYLOR MARTINEZ IS AIDS ON TWO FEET
OKLAHOMA, WHAT GALAXY DO YOU LIVE IN AND WHY CAN'T YOU GO PLAY SPORTS THERE INSTEAD. YOU ARE MORE OVERRATED THAN TAYLOR SWIFT'S AWFUL FACE
NOBODY CARES WHAT T. BOONE PICKENS HAS TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING. OKLAHOMA STATE IS KANSAS STATE BUT FURTHER SOUTH IS ALL
TEXAS TECH YOU LISTENED TO THAT HOOKER-SLAUGHTERING CRETIN CRAIG JAMES OVER MIKE LEACH AND FOR THAT I HOPE THE EARTH SWALLOWS YOUR CAMPUS
TEXAS A&M, YOU ARE NEVER WINNING A TITLE IN THE SEC, NOT EVEN ONCE, AND AT LEAST 80% OF YOUR STUDENT BODY IS WEIRD
I MEAN TEXAS A&M STUDENTS ARE THE KIND OF WEIRD WHERE YOU DON'T LEAVE THEM IN THE SAME ROOM AS HOUSE PETS UNATTENDED
TEXAS A&M YELL LEADERS ARE BECAUSE AGGIE IS SCARED OF WOMEN SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR BRINGING SAUDI ARABIAN CULTURE TO AMERICA YOU INBREDS
RICK PERRY IS AN AGGIE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HOW IS HE EVEN ALLOWED TO LIVE ALONE AND CUT HIS OWN MEAT MUCH LESS RUN FOR PRESIDENT
I WAS TRYING TO GO MOSTLY IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER BUT I FORGOT MISSOURI. IMAGINE THAT, SOMEONE FORGETTING ABOUT MISSOURI
MISSOURI THROWS MORE PANTIES THAN THE CROWD OF 8TH GRADERS AT A JONAS BROTHERS CONCERT AND YET NOBODY EVER PICKS THEM UP
AND TEXAS.
GOOD OLD TEXAS.
HEY DELOSS. FUCK TEXAS AND FUCK YOU.
I DID EVERYTHING IN MY EARTHLY POWERS TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE THE MOST WELL CARED FOR SCHOOL IN NCAA HISTORY, AND FOR WHAT
WHEN IT ALL WENT DOWN YOU WERE RIGHT THERE AT THE FRONT LINE WAITING TO ABANDON ME JUST LIKE THE REST OF THESE INGRATES
OKLAHOMA AND TEXAS A&M I CAN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY'RE HORRIBLE LITTLE STEPCHILDREN, BUT YOU, TEXAS? YOU?
I WAS READY TO NAME MY TESTICLES HOOKEM AND HORNS FOR YOU AND MAKE "TEXAS WITH A DOLLAR SIGN" THE NEW BIG 12 REALITY
I HOPE A CLOUD OF PURE DIARRHEA OPENS UP OVER DKR AND FILLS THAT PLACE TO THE BRIM DURING YOUR NEXT GAME
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SEE BURNT ORANGE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. IT LOOKS LIKE BABY POOP
NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR EYES. YOU STOLE THAT SONG FROM A CHILDRENS SONG RT @chisoxfan30: @DanBeebe the eyes of Texas are upon you. #hookem
YOU HAVE TO SING YOUR FIGHT SONG ALONG TO "I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE RAILROAD" AND YOU EXPECT ANYBODY TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN DID TO DESERVE HAVING SUCH A HORRIBLE BUNCH OF HYPER-PRIVILEGED BRATS OVERTAKE IT BUT IT CAN'T BE GOOD
CAN WE NUKE AUSTIN? IS THAT APPROPRIATE? IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE
I'M OUT. I'M NEVER COMMISSIONERING ANOTHER CONFERENCE EVER AGAIN. COLLEGE SPORTS ARE TO COLLEGE WHAT GENITAL WARTS ARE TO GENITALS
:D
Edit: Oh it looks like I missed some scrolling through fucking twitter posts. Something about Pelini murdering and eating someone, Osborne being dead, Texas being horrible brats, etc. Oh well. It's all here: http://twitter.com/#!/DanBeebe (http://twitter.com/#!/DanBeebe)
The real Dan Beebe is officially gone, btw: http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15624610/report-dan-beebe-out-as-big-12-commissioner (http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15624610/report-dan-beebe-out-as-big-12-commissioner)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2011, 11:13:46 PM
Dude! Maybe you can tell me: Is it the Mormons or the Scientologists who receive planets as part of their eternal reward or whatever?
Mormons.
QuoteDanBeebe Fake Dan Beebe
I HOPE A CLOUD OF PURE DIARRHEA OPENS UP OVER DKR AND FILLS THAT PLACE TO THE BRIM DURING YOUR NEXT GAME
:D
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So, if this happens will the Big 12 keep lurching on zombie like with 8 members or will there be another round of Pac-16 drama?
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/22/3161027/sec-still-in-sights-for-missouri.html#ixzz1YkGjYNug
QuoteSEC still in sights for Missouri as Big 12 tries to unify
By MIKE DEARMOND
Kansas City Star
COLUMBIA | The fractured Big 12 Conference attempted to join hands and unify Thursday night, but Missouri's grip may not be as tight.
Not only did MU chancellor Brady Deaton and athletic director Mike Alden decline to confirm the university's commitment in the long or short term to the Big 12, the Tigers' interest in the Southeastern Conference is very much alive.
"We either stick in the Big 12 because everything came about the way it needs to, the right way, with all the differences being settled in Missouri's favor," a university administrator who asked not to be identified told The Star on Thursday night. "But what are the odds of that happening?
"The other option is to join another conference and I believe that is something that we're very open to."
The Star first reported earlier this week that Missouri had an informal offer from the Southeastern Conference to join should the Big 12 not remain a viable home.
In a brief news conference in a first-floor room at Jesse Hall on Thursday night, Deaton said that as chairman of the Big 12 Board of Directors he was intent on making needed changes to the conference. But Deaton stressed he was first responsible to the University of Missouri.
When asked if falling short of those changes that Missouri might exit the Big 12, Deaton said:
"That's again a hypothetical that could occur. In a sense anything is possible. That's all recognized and that's what has led to the discussions that we've had over the last several weeks."
When asked about the SEC, Deaton said that was another hypothetical and he wouldn't elaborate further.
Asked if the SEC was still in play, the administrator, who contacted The Star, said: "You will not look stupid by insinuating that."
The mood in Columbia contrasted starkly with a news conference held around the same time by Oklahoma president David Boren, athletic director Joe Castiglione, football coach Bob Stoops and other officials in Norman. There, Boren detailed the desire to reach agreement on all nine schools granting their first- and second-tier TV rights to the Big 12 for a six-year period and stated there was conference-wide unity in that effort.
Under the plan, each school's revenue for its games broadcast on ABC/ESPN, the Big 12's first-tier TV rights holder, and Fox Sports Net, the second-tier rights holder, would go to the Big 12 for equal distribution.
"These are very strong handcuffs," Boren said. "When you grant your rights it's very unlikely you would receive an invitation to another conference."
Deaton also acknowledged the board was pursuing revenue sharing and also said an expansion committee was reactivated, a move that opens the way for what would be a nine-member conference next school year to add members, perhaps up to a restoration of 12 teams.
"As chair," he said, "I was asked to form a special working group to address a variety of other issues to further strengthen conference stability."
Deaton was asked why fans should believe the Big 12 could unify after the departures of Nebraska and Colorado last year, Texas A&M next year, and with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Texas and Missouri speculated for possible departure to other conferences.
"We know there're a number of specific issues to be addressed," Deaton said, "and I think the public generally is aware of what a number of those are.
"Be assured that there will be a working group immediately set in motion to address that range of issues."
Deaton would not respond to a question about what concessions the University of Texas may or may not make in the areas of revenue sharing. Texas' $247 million Longhorn Network venture with ESPN falls under third-tier rights, which are not shared, and has caused concern among coaches because it planned to show high school football games.
Asked again if Deaton was prepared to make a statement that Missouri would remain in the Big 12 for the foreseeable future, Deaton said:
"The University of Missouri is going to continue to work for what is best for the University of Missouri. "We have seen that aligned with the Big 12 Conference."
The Missouri administrator who asked not to be identified told The Star that Deaton's statement should be construed as less than an unconditional commitment to the Big 12 at this time.
As Deaton left the room MU athletic director Mike Alden took questions in the hall of the school's administration building for a little over seven minutes.
Hit right away with the question of whether or not Missouri was committed long term to staying in the Big 12, Alden said he would not attempt to speak for Deaton.
On Wednesday, in an interview on KFNS radio in St. Louis, Missouri football coach Gary Pinkel criticized the Big 12 for not fixing the problems that have thrown the league's viability into question for the last year and a half.
"In my opinion, it's going to go on and on and on and it's not a whole lot of fun to be part of it," Pinkel said, adding that the situation was "embarrassing."
Alden also addressed Missouri and other schools in the Big 12 having spoken to other conferences.
"Over the course of the last several months, or month ... people were calling people all over the country ... "It's almost like recruiting. If you're a pretty good student athlete, people kind of know who you are ... For us, like Brady said and probably everybody else in the country, the issue there was just talking to people and getting pulses on things."
Posted on Thu, Sep. 22, 2011 10:53 PM
A very interesting, but VERY long article from The Atlantic:
The Shame of the NCAA (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/8643/7/)
Nebraska comes into Laramie today to stomp the Cowboys - hopefully I can gloat about a 2nd quarter lead again.
Funny thing is, after flying in to Cheyenne and driving 45 miles over mountains to get to Laramie, the Huskers seems to think this is an isolated nowhere. There are 35,000 people here! Isolated? Sheesh.
Why does Maryland have such ugly uniforms? Also, why do they play teams that are so much better than they are? Wouldn't NCAA football be a lot better if the teams were put in divisions based on their relative skill and then play within those divisions?
UNC and Pitt both have QBs who....don't seem to be very clutch. :hmm:
Took the twins to their first football game. A Div-III game with a stadium with a seating capacity of ~3,000. :)
"Why are these guys playing worse than High Schoolers, Dad?"
"Quiet, they don't get scholarships."
Quote from: PDH on September 24, 2011, 03:45:18 PM
"Why are these guys playing worse than High Schoolers, Dad?"
"Quiet, they don't get scholarships."
:lol:
They weren't quite Joe Bauserman bad.
Quote from: Neil on September 24, 2011, 02:02:03 PM
Why does Maryland have such ugly uniforms?
Because companies that make sporting goods have taken to the strange notion that if they make a Division 1A football team look like their uniforms are made by a pair of tailors, one of whom is color blind and the other of whom is just plain blind, somehow that will induce people to buy their products.
QuoteAlso, why do they play teams that are so much better than they are?
Because college league teams aren't allowed to play peewee league teams.
In the general world of things, much to Berkuts displeasure, Texas fans are a ton better than Nebraska fans. Giant RVs driving around blaring airhorns with 28 drunken fans insdide with red facepaint yelling "woooooo" out the windows is ok for the first second, but it tends to wear on one after that.
Quote from: PDH on September 24, 2011, 04:40:47 PM
In the general world of things, much to Berkuts displeasure, Texas fans are a ton better than Nebraska fans. Giant RVs driving around blaring airhorns with 28 drunken fans insdide with red facepaint yelling "woooooo" out the windows is ok for the first second, but it tends to wear on one after that.
It could have been worse. Jort wearing Buckeye fans.
Oh jesus. Well, at least I know that they would never come to Laramie, much like Tenn buying out the Laramie game (which was played in Nashville) for a million bucks. Funny thing is, Wyoming against the big teams only asks for a 2 for 1 (away/home) deal, I would think that some would like to get in on 3 easy wins for the expense of traveling to 7220 feet and a podunk town...hell, Wyoming even pays Nebraska to come here.
Pac-12 Colorado looks just as horrible as Big 12 Colorado. What a snoozer.
:lol: Lots of dumbassery in the last few minutes of the OSU - TAMU game. The Pokes came all the way back from being down 20-3 at the half to go up 24-20, aided by dumb penalties and two turnovers by the Aggies, then Blackmon decides he's going to fumble a sure touchdown out the endzone (untouched, he just dropped it right before crossing the goal line), so TAMU gets the ball back and their QB immediately throws another pick. 24-20 Pokes at the end of the 3rd, but they're in the red zone again.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 24, 2011, 05:24:50 PM
:lol: Lots of dumbassery in the last few minutes of the OSU - TAMU game. The Pokes came all the way back from being down 20-3 at the half to go up 24-20, aided by dumb penalties and two turnovers by the Aggies, then Blackmon decides he's going to fumble a sure touchdown out the endzone (untouched, he just dropped it right before crossing the goal line), so TAMU gets the ball back and their QB immediately throws another pick. 24-20 Pokes at the end of the 3rd, but they're in the red zone again.
Yeah, as interesting as it is watching FSU coming back against Clemson, the OSU-TAMU game is much more hilarity.
TAMU defensive players are dropping after every play right now.
North Dakota State dropped 28 points on Minnesota in the second quarter, up 28-14 right now with ~10 left in the 3rd.
Here's six of those points: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUB9bpGf-BE heh heh
Minnesota is an unholy mess.
North Texas is also gently assfucking the Hoosiers, 24-0.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 24, 2011, 08:04:09 PM
Minnesota is an unholy mess.
No joke. I mean, I knew they were bad, but I didn't think they were "get crushed by a 1-AA team" bad. It's 31-14 now.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 24, 2011, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 24, 2011, 05:24:50 PM
:lol: Lots of dumbassery in the last few minutes of the OSU - TAMU game. The Pokes came all the way back from being down 20-3 at the half to go up 24-20, aided by dumb penalties and two turnovers by the Aggies, then Blackmon decides he's going to fumble a sure touchdown out the endzone (untouched, he just dropped it right before crossing the goal line), so TAMU gets the ball back and their QB immediately throws another pick. 24-20 Pokes at the end of the 3rd, but they're in the red zone again.
Yeah, as interesting as it is watching FSU coming back against Clemson, the OSU-TAMU game is much more hilarity.
The last play of OSU/A&M was hilarious; seeing the Aggies desperately try to stop Blackmon from scoring a safety for A&M :lol:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 24, 2011, 08:07:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 24, 2011, 08:04:09 PM
Minnesota is an unholy mess.
No joke. I mean, I knew they were bad, but I didn't think they were "get crushed by a 1-AA team" bad. It's 31-14 now.
What is even sadder is they got a nice new stadium and they are fielding a Div-III team.
Boise State up 27-0 over Tulsa at the half.
Wyoming is now getting predictably curb-stomped by Nebraska. It was close up to the time the game started.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 24, 2011, 08:12:55 PM
What is even sadder is they got a nice new stadium and they are fielding a Div-III team.
Have you been to TCF Bank? I've heard it's kind of a McStadium, if you know what I mean, although from the pictures I've seen of it, it seems nice. I dunno. They don't need to be losing 37-24 to North Dakota State there, no matter what it's like.
What is Bacone College? UTSA absolutely destroyed them 54-7 today. They scored 34 in the second quarter. Heh.
Edit: College not State. Bacone College. Whatever.
Oh here we go. Private liberal arts school in Oklahoma with 900 students. NAIA. The Warriors.
Arizona having a disappointing evening.
Quote from: citizen k on September 25, 2011, 12:24:21 AM
Arizona having a disappointing evening.
Switch over to the ASU - USC game and enjoy Trojan misery.
(so far)
Edit: Oh my. This is a total beatdown by Arizona State now. 43-22
I'm watching Fresno State - Idaho, GO Vandals!
Quote from: citizen k on September 25, 2011, 12:40:02 AM
I'm watching Fresno State - Idaho, GO Vandals!
Whoa what channel is this one on?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2011, 12:41:36 AM
Quote from: citizen k on September 25, 2011, 12:40:02 AM
I'm watching Fresno State - Idaho, GO Vandals!
Whoa what channel is this one on?
The WAC Network on a local cable sports channel called SWX.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 24, 2011, 09:19:16 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 24, 2011, 08:12:55 PM
What is even sadder is they got a nice new stadium and they are fielding a Div-III team.
Have you been to TCF Bank? I've heard it's kind of a McStadium, if you know what I mean, although from the pictures I've seen of it, it seems nice. I dunno. They don't need to be losing 37-24 to North Dakota State there, no matter what it's like.
Never been, but it is apparently better(from all the TV commentator jaw-jaw) than the craphole they had previously played in.
Quote from: dps on September 24, 2011, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 24, 2011, 02:02:03 PM
Why does Maryland have such ugly uniforms?
Because companies that make sporting goods have taken to the strange notion that if they make a Division 1A football team look like their uniforms are made by a pair of tailors, one of whom is color blind and the other of whom is just plain blind, somehow that will induce people to buy their products.
The fact that UnderArmour's owner and founder is a Terpie, and someone who wants to see Maryland go to the next level of competitiveness, thinks that nifty uniforms will help with recruiting.
Of course, they could've worn mithril pasties and wingtips yesterday, for all the good it did them. Temple? Ugh.
:Embarrass:
Quote from: Rasputin on September 26, 2011, 12:17:59 PM
:Embarrass:
:console:
I really thought this was going to be the Noles' breakout year.
So...Bama at Florida this week...any thoughts?
Go Gata
Quote from: Valmy on September 26, 2011, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 26, 2011, 12:17:59 PM
:Embarrass:
:console:
I really thought this was going to be the Noles' breakout year.
That beatdown at the hands of Oklahoma took care of that. I mean, it wasn't just a loss, it was a physical beatdown. I've never seen an FSU team that physically dominated in every sense of the word. They were just curbstomped above and beyond the scoreboard.
Ol' Bobby never would've accepted a body bag game like that. Neither would Burt Reynolds.
Quote from: Valmy on September 26, 2011, 12:34:17 PM
So...Bama at Florida this week...any thoughts?
Alabama was my preseason pick for #1, so I certainly expect them to win.
So here's a thing:
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/docs-richardsons-other-new-car-georgia-plates-29856
QuoteConsidering that the NCAA has access to Richardson's bank records - like all student-athletes under the auspices of the intercollegiate governing body - it wouldn't take long for the NCAA to find out exactly how the Alabama star running back acquired two vehicles with a combined, base sticker price of over $60,000 in the span of 10 months.
The quote is from the very end of the post. There's more at the link and all that. Yeah, it's Sports by Brooks, but hey, it's NCAA "news," right?
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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 28, 2011, 12:45:50 PM
[chart of top football revenue programs]
Appears to conclusively prove SEC superiority, Texas notwithstanding.
Quote from: ulmont on September 28, 2011, 12:51:11 PM
Appears to conclusively prove SEC superiority, Texas notwithstanding.
And in Texas' case, how stupid people can be with their money.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2011, 09:18:08 PM
And in Texas' case, how stupid people can be with their money.
Not buy cars for Trent Richardson?
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2011, 11:24:43 PM
Not buy cars for Trent Richardson?
Well clearly, with all that cash, they could have gotten him something nicer than an Altima and Yukon. Then the Horns would have Malcolm Brown
and Trent Richardson! And Grey coming in next year! Holy shit!
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 28, 2011, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2011, 11:24:43 PM
Not buy cars for Trent Richardson?
Well clearly, with all that cash, they could have gotten him something nicer than an Altima and Yukon. Then the Horns would have Malcolm Brown and Trent Richardson! And Grey coming in next year! Holy shit!
There is nothing better than a GMC Yukon! :mad:
Quote from: Barrister on September 28, 2011, 11:29:58 PM
There is nothing better than a GMC Yukon! :mad:
I thought you had a Tundra? :unsure:
Quote from: ulmont on September 28, 2011, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 28, 2011, 12:45:50 PM
[chart of top football revenue programs]
Appears to conclusively prove SEC superiority, Texas notwithstanding.
That's just football revenue, though, not total revenue. The B10 schools, for instance, don't count the BTN income as football income, so the numbers are a bit skewed.
In total revenue, though, Texas still leads. IIRC, Florida is by far the top SEC team, and something like 5 B10 teams make as much or more than the second-best SEC team.
I don't think there is any question but what the SEC has the best football programs overall of the conferences, though. I thought this might be the year the B10 took a run at them, but that isn't to be.
The Houston - UTEP game is totally lacking in defense. 47 - 35, ~10:00 left, something like 1100 yards of offense between the two (700 for Houston).
Make that 49-35.
USF is getting demolished by Pitt.
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2011, 10:17:15 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 28, 2011, 11:32:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 28, 2011, 11:29:58 PM
There is nothing better than a GMC Yukon! :mad:
I thought you had a Tundra? :unsure:
Close. A Tacoma.
Nice, I drove a Tacoma for years. I for some reason thought years ago in a car suggestion thread I suggested you buy a Tacoma and you were against it at the time, but maybe misremembering....
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2011, 10:17:15 PM
Close. A Tacoma.
Oh right on. I like those quite a bit (also like the Tundras, so hey).
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on September 29, 2011, 10:22:44 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2011, 10:17:15 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 28, 2011, 11:32:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 28, 2011, 11:29:58 PM
There is nothing better than a GMC Yukon! :mad:
I thought you had a Tundra? :unsure:
Close. A Tacoma.
Nice, I drove a Tacoma for years. I for some reason thought years ago in a car suggestion thread I suggested you buy a Tacoma and you were against it at the time, but maybe misremembering....
I think you're certainly misremembering, as I bought my Tacoma in '05, and I still both have it and love it...
I loved my Tacoma so much I convinced my wife to buy a RAV4 this year...
The scheduling for this weekend is particularly bad. Every game I want to see is on at the same time:
5:00 Clemson @ Virginia Tech
6:00 Texas @ Iowa State
7:00 Alabama @ Florida
7:00 Nebraska @ Wisconsin
Damn.
Quote from: Valmy on September 30, 2011, 08:36:55 AM
The scheduling for this weekend is particularly bad. Every game I want to see is on at the same time:
5:00 Clemson @ Virginia Tech
6:00 Texas @ Iowa State
7:00 Alabama @ Florida
7:00 Nebraska @ Wisconsin
Damn.
Those look like really good games. :mmm:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 30, 2011, 09:30:34 AM
Those look like really good games. :mmm:
I know. The early and afternoon games are meh and all the good stuff is on in the evening. Annoying.
No offense to K-State and Baylor but when your game is the best one on at 2:30 that ain't a good thing.
Hey MBM did you see this picture of Malcolm Brown in the BYU game? I think this comes from his third down run at the end of the game:
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Is it a sign?
Quote from: Valmy on September 30, 2011, 04:40:17 PM
Hey MBM did you see this picture of Malcolm Brown in the BYU game? I think this comes from his third down run at the end of the game:
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Is it a sign?
Yeah I saw that one. Cool photo fo sho.
Earl Campbell, Ricky Williams, and...Malcolm Brown? I'm down with that.
Edit: Although if Johnathan Gray is as good as advertised, they're probably going to end up splitting carries.
:)
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2011, 10:42:18 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on September 29, 2011, 10:22:44 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2011, 10:17:15 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 28, 2011, 11:32:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 28, 2011, 11:29:58 PM
There is nothing better than a GMC Yukon! :mad:
I thought you had a Tundra? :unsure:
Close. A Tacoma.
Nice, I drove a Tacoma for years. I for some reason thought years ago in a car suggestion thread I suggested you buy a Tacoma and you were against it at the time, but maybe misremembering....
I think you're certainly misremembering, as I bought my Tacoma in '05, and I still both have it and love it...
I loved my Tacoma so much I convinced my wife to buy a RAV4 this year...
Maybe, but sad as it is I think I've been posting on Languish since 2003 or so...maybe 2002? Whenever everyone left EUOT.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 30, 2011, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 30, 2011, 08:36:55 AM
The scheduling for this weekend is particularly bad. Every game I want to see is on at the same time:
5:00 Clemson @ Virginia Tech
6:00 Texas @ Iowa State
7:00 Alabama @ Florida
7:00 Nebraska @ Wisconsin
Damn.
Those look like really good games. :mmm:
I'll be at the Alabama-Florida game. Looking forward to tailgating all day. The Rays-Rangers game starts at 7, somewhat which annoying.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 30, 2011, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 30, 2011, 08:36:55 AM
The scheduling for this weekend is particularly bad. Every game I want to see is on at the same time:
5:00 Clemson @ Virginia Tech
6:00 Texas @ Iowa State
7:00 Alabama @ Florida
7:00 Nebraska @ Wisconsin
Damn.
Those look like really good games. :mmm:
Well, Clemson and VT could be a preview of the ACC championship game (though I doubt Clemson is really that good--but then, in that division of the ACC you probably won't have to be particularly good to make it to the title game).
OTOH, while Texas-Iowa State is a meeting of 2 3-0 teams, I don't see it as all that compelling. Nobody seems to think Iowa State is for real, and while Texas is seen as a good team, few people think that they're a serious threat to challange for the conference title this year.
I'm sure Valmy finds the Texas game very compelling.
And this TBA matchup on channel 48 better be the Bulldogs matchup. <_<
I guarantee that Wyoming will not lose this week.
Apparently, Georgia's offensive line is bigger than any in the NFL. :blink:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 01, 2011, 11:32:28 AM
Apparently, Georgia's offensive line is bigger than any in the NFL. :blink:
It'll take more than 20 lbs of extra fat to save Richt's job, though.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 01, 2011, 11:32:28 AM
Apparently, Georgia's offensive line is bigger than any in the NFL. :blink:
With the right genes, it's not hard to find huge men to play line. Maybe if they chose guys that were smaller but more athletic, Georgia wouldn't be so shit.
:ike:
Air Force-Navy was awesome.
Wow the Aggies choke it away again.
The Broncos are humiliating Nevada and their offense (Moore) is only average today.
Worst Ohio State team that I can remember. Abomination.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 01, 2011, 03:47:30 PM
Worst Ohio State team that I can remember. Abomination.
There's a Buckeye I know at work who recently had bypass surgery. I think I know why.
Yeah...may have a shutout in Columbus.
Wow, that Buckeye offense is awful.
Robert Griffin III is just ridiculously good. As far as I can tell, the dude still has more TD passes than incompletions and interceptions combined.
Didn't they suffer some sort of penalty as a result of the NCAA deciding to crack down on them? Could that be related to their terribleness?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 01, 2011, 05:21:52 PM
Robert Griffin III is just ridiculously good. As far as I can tell, the dude still has more TD passes than incompletions and interceptions combined.
And he throws his first pick at a crucial point in the game. :lol: RGIII: Tainted?
Quote from: Neil on October 01, 2011, 05:36:16 PM
Didn't they suffer some sort of penalty as a result of the NCAA deciding to crack down on them? Could that be related to their terribleness?
Freshman QB is not ready, Senior QB that sucks, young wideouts. O-Line sucks. A n00b coach.
The D is okay, but young in the secondary.
Quote from: Valmy on September 30, 2011, 09:34:02 AM
No offense to K-State and Baylor but when your game is the best one on at 2:30 that ain't a good thing.
Ok I take it all back. That was a game for the ages. K-State is one tough team.
Arizona loses 48-41 at USC, although it really wasn't that close.
The nightmare part of the schedule is over. Now Stoops gets to try to save his job.
Quote from: Berkut on October 01, 2011, 07:45:11 PM
Arizona loses 48-41 at USC, although it really wasn't that close.
Did USC put their third string in? It was a blow out when I saw it, wonder how Arizona came back.
Good game between Wisconsin and Nebraska. 7-7 right now.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 01, 2011, 07:50:27 PM
Good game between Wisconsin and Nebraska. 7-7 right now.
Heh. Well maybe for a little while. Wisconsin beat the crap out of them in every phase.
Anyway Notre Dame is really turning this thing around. I know Purdue is crap but pounding them like that was big.
Quote from: dps on October 01, 2011, 09:54:09 AM
OTOH, while Texas-Iowa State is a meeting of 2 3-0 teams, I don't see it as all that compelling. Nobody seems to think Iowa State is for real, and while Texas is seen as a good team, few people think that they're a serious threat to challange for the conference title this year.
Well it was for me because I am a lifelong fan of, student at, and employee of UT.
In the event Texas got a huge lead and then there was a really horrible 2nd half. But they are a young team and have to learn how to play with a big half time lead. To be fair A&M's senior laden team sucks at that even more.
Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2011, 10:31:17 PM
Well it was for me because I am a lifelong fan of...UT.
And this is what Tim "Fucking Douchebag Bandwagon" Ortiz will never understand about college sports.
Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2011, 10:31:17 PM
In the event Texas got a huge lead and then there was a really horrible 2nd half. But they are a young team and have to learn how to play with a big half time lead. To be fair A&M's senior laden team sucks at that even more.
The second half wasn't bad at all, let alone horrible. C'mon now. You could tell by the play calling that they generally shut it down on O, and they had a nice rotation on D out there giving some new guys playing time.
A horrible second half is actually letting them come back, not giving up a garbage time touchdown or two.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 01, 2011, 10:44:51 PM
The second half wasn't bad at all, let alone horrible. C'mon now. You could tell by the play calling that they generally shut it down on O, and they had a nice rotation on D out there giving some new guys playing time.
A horrible second half is actually letting them come back, not giving up a garbage time touchdown or two.
I was talking about the half in general, tons of penalties and mistakes by both teams, then Texas melting down or anything. It was sloppy. Also sad to see that defender from Iowa State get carted off.
Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2011, 11:00:07 PM
I was talking about the half in general, tons of penalties and mistakes by both teams, then Texas melting down or anything. It was sloppy. Also sad to see that defender from Iowa State get carted off.
At least he was moving around, waving, etc. Took a couple of heavy shots to the head on that play though.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 01, 2011, 11:09:50 PM
At least he was moving around, waving, etc. Took a couple of heavy shots to the head on that play though.
Yeah that was good to see. He is one of their best players so I hope he is ok.
BTW the attrition in front of Texas in the top 25 was brutal today. No.8, No.10, No.11, No.12, No.14, No.15 and No.16 all lost. Texas could be #12 or so. Might make it seem like an old fashioned Texas-OU game.
By the way it is that time again.
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Quote from: PDH on October 01, 2011, 10:41:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2011, 10:31:17 PM
Well it was for me because I am a lifelong fan of...UT.
And this is what Tim "Fucking Douchebag Bandwagon" Ortiz will never understand about college sports.
*high five*
By the way I am going to try to catch Utah State-Wyoming on the internet next week since the Texas game is on in the morning.
Utah State might just be the best 1-3 team in country...
Hopefully not like 2003. :cry:
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 01, 2011, 11:27:59 PM
Hopefully not like 2003. :cry:
Dude...dude.
Do not even speak of it.
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I am NOT turning into a slob. I take one shower a week whether I need it or not. #hygiene
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back to bed I guess
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I need to go to the store, but then I would have to wash my pants, and who wants to do laundry on a Tuesday, so Saltines for dinner I guess.
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Quote from: stjaba on October 01, 2011, 08:29:45 AM
I'll be at the Alabama-Florida game. Looking forward to tailgating all day. The Rays-Rangers game starts at 7, somewhat which annoying.
:bleeding:
I am going to the LSU-UF game in Baton Rouge next week. I haven't bought a ticket yet, so at least the prices should be going down after Saturday's debacle.
Why would that make tickets to a home game for still-undefeated LSU cheaper? :hmm: Are there a certain number of tickets set aside for Florida students/alumni?
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 02, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
Why would that make tickets to a home game for still-undefeated LSU cheaper? :hmm: Are there a certain number of tickets set aside for Florida students/alumni?
There are a fixed number of tickets available for visiting-school students in any matchup. If fewer Florida students want to go see LSU trash Florida, then those tickets will be less in demand, and so lower in price. After all, the scalpers have to sell them, or eat what they paid.
Ok I was going to focus mainly on my hatred for all things Okie this week but this hilariously idiotic gaffe on the part of the Aggies was just too bizarre to pass up:
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Viva Chile?
Seriously the hyper patriotic Aggies cannot even get the Texas Flag right? Or maybe they just really like Chile...or I hope it is a tribute to the Chilean miners. God please let that be it surely they are not this stupid.
They're that stupid (it's the Corps of Cadets. They're barely functional) and I can't wait for them to be in another conference.
:cry:
Also why are ~half of them covered and saluting, and the other half not?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2011, 09:46:25 AM
:cry:
:nelson:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2011, 09:48:21 AM
Also why are ~half of them covered and saluting, and the other half not?
Knowing the Aggies it is probably some sort of tradition where Freshman are not Ag enough to salute the flag yet. Notice the ones who are not saluting are not wearing hats.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 10:02:08 AM
Knowing the Aggies it is probably some sort of tradition where Freshman are not Ag enough to salute the flag yet. Notice the ones who are not saluting are not wearing hats.
"Covered" = wearing a hat. ;)
It must be something like what you're saying, just like the different classes have different yells or whoops or whatever they're called, and if caught making other yells outside of what they're allowed, they....don't they make them do pushups or something?
Ugh. Aggies.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2011, 10:07:57 AM
It must be something like what you're saying, just like the different classes have different yells or whoops or whatever they're called, and if caught making other yells outside of what they're allowed, they....don't they make them do pushups or something?
Ugh. Aggies.
Heh yep all true. Actually being able to 'whoop' is like a big honor. Only seniors and grads get to whoop.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2011, 09:44:05 AM
They're that stupid (it's the Corps of Cadets. They're barely functional) and I can't wait for them to be in another conference.
I had no opinion of them before this month, and now I'll never think of them without my mind flashing to the horror of those Aggies on Something Awful. :bleeding:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 03, 2011, 10:38:44 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2011, 09:44:05 AM
They're that stupid (it's the Corps of Cadets. They're barely functional) and I can't wait for them to be in another conference.
I had no opinion of them before this month, and now I'll never think of them without my mind flashing to the horror of those Aggies on Something Awful. :bleeding:
Wow Tim you said something that makes me feel positive towards you. Keep saying stuff like this.
Are all A&M students cadets?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 03, 2011, 10:38:44 AM
I had no opinion of them before this month, and now I'll never think of them without my mind flashing to the horror of those Aggies on Something Awful. :bleeding:
My wife was the same way. Being from Michigan, she had no exposure to Texas A&M or Aggies at all, and figured they were basically the same as Michigan State is when it comes to Michigan. Kind of a whiny "little brother," but generally normal and all that.
She thought I was exaggerating when I would mention how weird they were, and was just shocked when I told her about some of their insane traditions, showed her some Youtube videos, etc.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 03, 2011, 10:52:02 AM
Are all A&M students cadets?
No. The Cadets are a tiny minority. But it used to be that way. Having unofficial military schools was very fashionable in the old south. Virginia Tech, Virginia Military Institute, and The Citadel are all like that and there are probably others.
Weird.
The strange shit isn't limited to the corps, unfortunately. The posts Tim can't unsee, the ones about the grode jars, didn't come from a cadet as far as I know.
To be fair though, there are, of course, just normal college students who attend Texas A&M. There are also the ones who only lose their minds when Texas (the U of) or football or something is mentioned, so it's also not necessarily a 24/7 thing.
Those guys definitely sound pretty weird.
On the other hand, they are standing up to the second greatest evil in college sports, so they have that going for them.
To let you know why the hatred of Colorado State runs so deep, Valmy...CSU used to be Colorado A&M, and they were the...Aggies...
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:13:08 AM
On the other hand, they are standing up to the second greatest evil in college sports, so they have that going for them.
How are they doing that?
I want to know who the #1 force of evil is.
*please be Ohio State*
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
I want to know who the #1 force of evil is.
*please be Ohio State*
I bet it is John Mackovic.
Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2011, 11:13:33 AM
To let you know why the hatred of Colorado State runs so deep, Valmy...CSU used to be Colorado A&M, and they were the...Aggies...
Well they did stop being Aggies at some point. That is progress.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:24:49 AM
How are they doing that?
By making excuses and running away, of course! :w00t:
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:24:49 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:13:08 AM
On the other hand, they are standing up to the second greatest evil in college sports, so they have that going for them.
How are they doing that?
Are they not the rivals of the Dallas Cow....ewrrrrh, I mean the Texas Longhorns?
They may not be doing it well, I'll grant you...
Oh Valmy, that Iowa State player who was carted off is apparently fine. As in might play next week fine.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
I want to know who the #1 force of evil is.
*please be Ohio State*
I bet it is John Mackovic.
While not a terrible guess, Whackovic is not important enough to rate that level of Evil.
No, I am speaking of Notre Dame, of course.
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:40:07 AM
Are they not the rivals of the Dallas Cow....ewrrrrh, I mean the Texas Longhorns?
LOL. The current owner is an Arkansas Razorback who delighted in firing the only important Longhorn ever associated with the cowgirls. Then he hired another Arkansas grad and drafted a Sooner.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:45:41 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:40:07 AM
Are they not the rivals of the Dallas Cow....ewrrrrh, I mean the Texas Longhorns?
LOL. The current owner is an Arkansas Razorback who delighted in firing the only important Longhorn ever associated with the cowgirls. Then he hired another Arkansas grad and drafted a Sooner.
Yeah, I could imagine the two don't like each other, what with going after the same core of bandwagon Texans and other assorted riff-raff.
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:41:47 AM
No, I am speaking of Notre Dame, of course.
Really? Still? I figured everybody had stopped hating them by now.
Quote from: grumbler on October 03, 2011, 06:09:58 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 02, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
Why would that make tickets to a home game for still-undefeated LSU cheaper? :hmm: Are there a certain number of tickets set aside for Florida students/alumni?
There are a fixed number of tickets available for visiting-school students in any matchup. If fewer Florida students want to go see LSU trash Florida, then those tickets will be less in demand, and so lower in price. After all, the scalpers have to sell them, or eat what they paid.
Exactly. I was able to buy a pair of tickets for face value today, albeit from a non-student, as there are tickets set aside for boosters/season ticket holders as well. I found the tickets on GatorCountry, a Gator fan site. The tickets were listed at $125 each. I sent the seller a message saying that I would be willing to buy them at $75 each(face value). A few hours later, he accepted.
Interestingly, I checked the ticket prices for the game online, and they are going for way more than that. So, I got a pretty good deal.
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:48:50 AM
Yeah, I could imagine the two don't like each other, what with going after the same core of bandwagon Texans and other assorted riff-raff.
Seriously? You are lecturing me about bandwagoners? I mean you are such a bandwagoner you hate Texas and Notre Dame more than your freaking rival. You are the Tim of haterade.
Quote from: stjaba on October 03, 2011, 11:51:29 AM
Exactly. I was able to buy a pair of tickets for face value today, albeit from a non-student, as there are tickets set aside for boosters/season ticket holders as well. I found the tickets on GatorCountry, a Gator fan site. The tickets were listed at $125 each. I sent the seller a message saying that I would be willing to buy them at $75 each(face value). A few hours later, he accepted.
Interestingly, I checked the ticket prices for the game online, and they are going for way more than that. So, I got a pretty good deal.
Wow nice! Is Brantley going to be ok for the game?
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:51:58 AM
I mean you are such a bandwagoner you hate Texas and Notre Dame more than your freaking rival.
Me too. And Ohio St, Michigan and USC more than them.
I just hate the NCAA :(
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: stjaba on October 03, 2011, 11:51:29 AM
Exactly. I was able to buy a pair of tickets for face value today, albeit from a non-student, as there are tickets set aside for boosters/season ticket holders as well. I found the tickets on GatorCountry, a Gator fan site. The tickets were listed at $125 each. I sent the seller a message saying that I would be willing to buy them at $75 each(face value). A few hours later, he accepted.
Interestingly, I checked the ticket prices for the game online, and they are going for way more than that. So, I got a pretty good deal.
Wow nice! Is Brantley going to be ok for the game?
Brantley's not going to play. LSU will romp to victory.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7052076/florida-gators-coach-john-brantley-not-expected-play-lsu-tigers-source-says
Quote from: ulmont on October 03, 2011, 12:22:28 PM
Brantley's not going to play. LSU will romp to victory.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7052076/florida-gators-coach-john-brantley-not-expected-play-lsu-tigers-source-says
Ah crap.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:28:59 AM
Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2011, 11:13:33 AM
To let you know why the hatred of Colorado State runs so deep, Valmy...CSU used to be Colorado A&M, and they were the...Aggies...
Well they did stop being Aggies at some point. That is progress.
Once a year they wear throwback uniforms with Aggies on the helmet. They will never stop being Aggies.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:48:50 AM
Yeah, I could imagine the two don't like each other, what with going after the same core of bandwagon Texans and other assorted riff-raff.
Seriously? You are lecturing me about bandwagoners? I mean you are such a bandwagoner you hate Texas and Notre Dame more than your freaking rival. You are the Tim of haterade.
Are you supposed to "hate" your biggest rival?
I mean the Blue Bombers biggest rival is the Saskatchewan Roughriders, and while I wish the Riders would go 0-18 every single year, I don't hate them. They're lovable in the way you love your inbred, retarded in-laws who live in the country. :cool:
Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
Are you supposed to "hate" your biggest rival?
I mean the Blue Bombers biggest rival is the Saskatchewan Roughriders, and while I wish the Riders would go 0-18 every single year, I don't hate them. They're lovable in the way you love your inbred, retarded in-laws who live in the country. :cool:
Well Arizona State are the biggest cheaters in the history of College sports which is really an amazing achievement.
But frankly I am just sorta disappointed. Just like your Jets I always rooted for Arizona and hated on ASU because, you know, Berkut is a Languishite and I like talking sports and I thought we were friends and all. Ah well. Now we just sorta troll and counter troll each other.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2011, 11:41:31 AM
Oh Valmy, that Iowa State player who was carted off is apparently fine. As in might play next week fine.
Oh fantastic. It would have been horrible for a talented guy like that to end his career on a garbage time injury.
Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2011, 12:34:11 PM
Once a year they wear throwback uniforms with Aggies on the helmet. They will never stop being Aggies.
Why? Why would they do that? Well damn now there are no good guys in the CSU-CU game.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2011, 09:48:21 AM
Also why are ~half of them covered and saluting, and the other half not?
It may be that the ones in back are underneath the upper deck and so not "outdoors" and thus required (allowed) to cover.
These guys are reserve soldiers, though, correct? They should be saluting the flag, then, covered or not.
Quote from: grumbler on October 03, 2011, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2011, 09:48:21 AM
Also why are ~half of them covered and saluting, and the other half not?
It may be that the ones in back are underneath the upper deck and so not "outdoors" and thus required (allowed) to cover.
These guys are reserve soldiers, though, correct? They should be saluting the flag, then, covered or not.
Of course it was an indoor stadium...
But yes they are ROTC whatever status precisely that is.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
Are you supposed to "hate" your biggest rival?
I mean the Blue Bombers biggest rival is the Saskatchewan Roughriders, and while I wish the Riders would go 0-18 every single year, I don't hate them. They're lovable in the way you love your inbred, retarded in-laws who live in the country. :cool:
Well Arizona State are the biggest cheaters in the history of College sports which is really an amazing achievement.
But frankly I am just sorta disappointed. Just like your Jets I always rooted for Arizona and hated on ASU because, you know, Berkut is a Languishite and I like talking sports and I thought we were friends and all. Ah well.
I dunno - I guess I never thought of it that way.
Well - I guess I would smile if Wyoming won a game, and I did play a multi-year dynasty in an NCAA game as FAU because we had a couple Languishites who went there, but in general I like, or dislike, teams for my own reasons.
I totally respect why you'd be a Longhorn fan and, unlike Berkut, I generally wouldn't bad-mouth the team to your face, but they're really not the kind of team I would cheer for.
Except I will badmouth the Riders to Neil's face. Riders suck and don't know how to count.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 12:49:08 PM
Of course it was an indoor stadium...
But yes they are ROTC whatever status precisely that is.
I think covers are optional for army types indoors. Weird A&M rules can apply.
But, still, Army regs say you salute the flag. A&M cannot re-write army regs. Unless that's not the flag being saluted, of course.
Valmy, if it makes you feel any better (since I don't have a horse i the race), I root for the 'horns just because I think they are a great and classy program. I'd be delighted if the vagaries of fortune meant that they landed in the B10. I'd rather see them in the conference than any team in the country.
Quote from: grumbler on October 03, 2011, 12:57:17 PM
Valmy, if it makes you feel any better (since I don't have a horse i the race), I root for the 'horns just because I think they are a great and classy program. I'd be delighted if the vagaries of fortune meant that they landed in the B10. I'd rather see them in the conference than any team in the country.
Thanks I feel the same way about Michigan. I would prefer Texas remain in its regional conference with its traditional rivals but if they did have to leave the Big 10 would be at the top of the list.
You folks are reading a lot into a single image. Perhaps they had just raised the flag or whatever and some sections were slower to notice. It's been my experience at big sporting events that most people in the crowd start doing things like that when they notice the people around them doing it.
Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
Well - I guess I would smile if Wyoming won a game, and I did play a multi-year dynasty in an NCAA game as FAU because we had a couple Languishites who went there, but in general I like, or dislike, teams for my own reasons.
I totally respect why you'd be a Longhorn fan and, unlike Berkut, I generally wouldn't bad-mouth the team to your face, but they're really not the kind of team I would cheer for.
Except I will badmouth the Riders to Neil's face. Riders suck and don't know how to count.
Hey I get that. CdM also hates Texas and it is no big deal. But Berkut goes full on troll mode. I mean it is kinda fun but another part of me is like 'hey I made an effort man, come on now'.
Not sure what you mean by "they're really not the kind of team I would cheer for" but whatever.
Quote from: grumbler on October 03, 2011, 12:48:12 PM
It may be that the ones in back are underneath the upper deck and so not "outdoors" and thus required (allowed) to cover.
I was thinking it might be something like that at first, but I noticed some dudes in the back under the stands and in the dark (left side of the photo) who are covered and saluting.
They're also not necessarily ROTC students. It's a different thing. ROTC is mandatory for corps members for the first couple years, then voluntary after that. Some (most? I don't know the stats) of those people in that picture are just...playing army.
E: Maybe that's what it is. The ROTC students are saluting, the others aren't? :hmm:
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 01:03:56 PM
Not sure what you mean by "they're really not the kind of team I would cheer for" but whatever.
They never punt on third down.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2011, 01:01:53 PM
You folks are reading a lot into a single image. Perhaps they had just raised the flag or whatever and some sections were slower to notice. It's been my experience at big sporting events that most people in the crowd start doing things like that when they notice the people around them doing it.
I was about to suggest maybe the other dudes had just not started saluting yet. But notice the dates have their hands on their hearts as if they were singing the anthem and it just seems very much in the Aggie tradition to have a hazing-ish period before you get the right to salute the flag.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
Well - I guess I would smile if Wyoming won a game, and I did play a multi-year dynasty in an NCAA game as FAU because we had a couple Languishites who went there, but in general I like, or dislike, teams for my own reasons.
I totally respect why you'd be a Longhorn fan and, unlike Berkut, I generally wouldn't bad-mouth the team to your face, but they're really not the kind of team I would cheer for.
Except I will badmouth the Riders to Neil's face. Riders suck and don't know how to count.
Hey I get that. CdM also hates Texas and it is no big deal. But Berkut goes full on troll mode. I mean it is kinda fun but another part of me is like 'hey I made an effort man, come on now'.
Not sure what you mean by "they're really not the kind of team I would cheer for" but whatever.
No chapter of DU on campus for one.
Quote from: grumbler on October 03, 2011, 12:53:53 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 12:49:08 PM
Of course it was an indoor stadium...
But yes they are ROTC whatever status precisely that is.
I think covers are optional for army types indoors. Weird A&M rules can apply.
But, still, Army regs say you salute the flag. A&M cannot re-write army regs. Unless that's not the flag being saluted, of course.
IIRC not all their cadets are fully enrolled in ROTC, i.e. not on a track to earn a commission. Not sure why they wouldn't have those guys saluting as well, but maybe that's another weird A&M thing.
edit: missed MiM's post :Embarrass:
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:41:47 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
I want to know who the #1 force of evil is.
*please be Ohio State*
I bet it is John Mackovic.
While not a terrible guess, Whackovic is not important enough to rate that level of Evil.
No, I am speaking of Notre Dame, of course.
WTF, so Oregon is only #3. :mad:
Speaking of numbers, the polls ranking Michigan #11 and #12 are complete bullshit. Michigan is on its way back, no doubt (there has been more progress between any three game this year than you saw in the three years RichRod was there), but they are still barely a top-25 team, if that. I'd be hard-pressed to justify ranking them ahead of Illinois, for instance. Ditto for MSU.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:48:50 AM
Yeah, I could imagine the two don't like each other, what with going after the same core of bandwagon Texans and other assorted riff-raff.
Seriously? You are lecturing me about bandwagoners? I mean you are such a bandwagoner you hate Texas and Notre Dame more than your freaking rival. You are the Tim of haterade.
You are incorrect. I hate ASU much more than Texas or Notre Dame. But ASU is little-e evil, a vile and scumridden school of low means and lower standards. They are deserving of all the contempt and derision they so certainly receive, but they are much too petty and inconsequential to be Truly Evil in the manner of Texas and Notre Dame.
Wyoming, at 3-1, goes to Logan to play Utah State, 1-3. The oddsmakers know what Wyoming is capable of, and currently the Pokes are dogs at 9.5 points.
It is lovely being a Wyoming fan, "YAY! Just 9 and a half point underdogs!"
Quote from: sbr on October 03, 2011, 07:01:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:41:47 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
I want to know who the #1 force of evil is.
*please be Ohio State*
I bet it is John Mackovic.
While not a terrible guess, Whackovic is not important enough to rate that level of Evil.
No, I am speaking of Notre Dame, of course.
WTF, so Oregon is only #3. :mad:
Oregon is not evil, just a huge corporate shill for Nike. And they seem to really like recruiting thugs and gang-bangers.
Oregon is all that is wrong about the "win at any cost" mantra in sports. They are what Miami used to be, but not even top-10 in overall evil.
Besides, they are part of the Pac-10.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
Are you supposed to "hate" your biggest rival?
I mean the Blue Bombers biggest rival is the Saskatchewan Roughriders, and while I wish the Riders would go 0-18 every single year, I don't hate them. They're lovable in the way you love your inbred, retarded in-laws who live in the country. :cool:
Well Arizona State are the biggest cheaters in the history of College sports which is really an amazing achievement.
The one thing you gotta give props to ASU for - they make it so much fun to be on the other end of that rivalry. Almost pathetically easy, what with the cheating, porn stars, national jokes about "a degree from ASU", etc., etc.
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But frankly I am just sorta disappointed. Just like your Jets I always rooted for Arizona and hated on ASU because, you know, Berkut is a Languishite and I like talking sports and I thought we were friends and all. Ah well. Now we just sorta troll and counter troll each other.
We are friends, despite your love of Texas. Heck, you letting Texas come between us is just another reason to despise them.
So, enough bagging on other programs and (admittedly) trolling the Texas kool-aid drinkers.
Arizona is, as expected, 1-4 after a ridiculously brutal opening five games against probably the toughest 4 game stretch anyone has seen in college football in some time.
I said we were learn something about this team, and we did.
We learned:
This might be the worst defensive line in school history.
The linebackers are pretty bad.
The secondary is the strength of the defense, because they are only mostly terrible.
It turns out the 5 new starters on the offensive line is really not a good thing. The argument that the previous 5 guys were not that great either as a unit and hence we should not look at 5 brand new ones as cause for alarm did not really turn out to make much more sense in reality than it did 7 months ago.
5'8" running backs with heart still don't average 3 yards a carry.
The kicking game. Dear lord the kicking game. I cannot even talk about it.
On the other hand...that Nick Foles guy is not just pretty good, he is really, really fucking good. And we have awesome receivers.
So we found out that not only were we not as good as those 4 teams, we were note even really close. Like, not even close enough to give them a moments pause.
So now we have 7 games against not so awesome opponenets, although Washington is playing well and ASU is not bad, and hell, who are we kidding, we may get blown out by OSU next week.
Arizona fans are in full on "Damn, the basketball team is going to be ossum again this year!" mode...
I have to say, not many big names come to Laramie (I can think of 3 non-conference in my time here). The Texas fans were the best behaved, the least condescending, and the most fun to be around. When I went to Austin, they returned the favor of being good hosts and complemented, thanked, and generally were classy folks.
All in all, if the worst thing that Texas has going for them is that they are a symbol of big college football in a state that is stupid crazy about that sport, then they do that quite well. I won't wear orange, but I do like them (especially when they beat BYU).
Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2011, 07:52:35 PM
(especially when they beat BYU).
This latest game was the first time the Horns have beaten the Mormons, AFAIK. :bleeding:
(only like three games, but still)
Need to schedule a few games against Vandy to get rid of that 2-7 record vs. them as well. Punk-ass Commodores.
My school is finally in the rankings this year, 19 according to the AP! :w00t:
Though we tried really hard to give it away to Northwestern Saturday, amazing comeback that came down to the final seconds.
So what? Wyoming is in the top 90.
Quote from: ulmont on October 03, 2011, 12:22:28 PM
Brantley's not going to play. LSU will romp to victory.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7052076/florida-gators-coach-john-brantley-not-expected-play-lsu-tigers-source-says
Even if Brantley was playing, I don't think UF would have much of a chance. Anyways, the main reason I'm going is to visit New Orleans. If the Gators do ok, it will be a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 07:38:45 PM
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Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 11:41:47 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
I want to know who the #1 force of evil is.
*please be Ohio State*
I bet it is John Mackovic.
While not a terrible guess, Whackovic is not important enough to rate that level of Evil.
No, I am speaking of Notre Dame, of course.
WTF, so Oregon is only #3. :mad:
Oregon is not evil, just a huge corporate shill for Nike. And they seem to really like recruiting thugs and gang-bangers.
Oregon is all that is wrong about the "win at any cost" mantra in sports. They are what Miami used to be, but not even top-10 in overall evil.
They're worse than Miami ever was. Whatever else you can say about Miami, they weren't corporate shills.
Quote from: stjaba on October 03, 2011, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: ulmont on October 03, 2011, 12:22:28 PM
Brantley's not going to play. LSU will romp to victory.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7052076/florida-gators-coach-john-brantley-not-expected-play-lsu-tigers-source-says
Even if Brantley was playing, I don't think UF would have much of a chance. Anyways, the main reason I'm going is to visit New Orleans. If the Gators do ok, it will be a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
Why are you going to
Baton Rouge to visit
New Orleans? They're 90 miles apart with sweet fuck-all between them.
Quote from: ulmont on October 04, 2011, 02:51:26 PM
Quote from: stjaba on October 03, 2011, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: ulmont on October 03, 2011, 12:22:28 PM
Brantley's not going to play. LSU will romp to victory.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7052076/florida-gators-coach-john-brantley-not-expected-play-lsu-tigers-source-says
Even if Brantley was playing, I don't think UF would have much of a chance. Anyways, the main reason I'm going is to visit New Orleans. If the Gators do ok, it will be a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
Why are you going to Baton Rouge to visit New Orleans? They're 90 miles apart with sweet fuck-all between them.
90 miles? Is that it?
I've gone further than that just to have lunch.
Quote from: Barrister on October 04, 2011, 03:27:49 PM
90 miles? Is that it?
I've gone further than that just to have lunch.
:lol:
Yeah Scipio laughs at your 90 miles.
See, you guys wonder why I fuck with Texas.
Posts bitching about Texas get responses.
Posts whining about how bad Arizona is...nothing.
Fuck Texas and the cow they rode in on!
I will change the mood:
Fuck the Gamecocks.
Quote from: ulmont on October 04, 2011, 02:51:26 PM
Quote from: stjaba on October 03, 2011, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: ulmont on October 03, 2011, 12:22:28 PM
Brantley's not going to play. LSU will romp to victory.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7052076/florida-gators-coach-john-brantley-not-expected-play-lsu-tigers-source-says
Even if Brantley was playing, I don't think UF would have much of a chance. Anyways, the main reason I'm going is to visit New Orleans. If the Gators do ok, it will be a bonus as far as I'm concerned.
Why are you going to Baton Rouge to visit New Orleans? They're 90 miles apart with sweet fuck-all between them.
It's a combined road-trip. Visit New Orleans Friday. Go to the game in Baton Rouge on Saturday, go back to New Orleans after the game. Come back to Gainesville on Sunday. In the scheme of things, a short detour is nothing when you're already driving 533 miles.
And I was partially speaking in jest- I am interested in going to both the UF-LSU game, and seeing New Orleans.
How do you guys like Muschamp so far?
Quote from: Berkut on October 04, 2011, 08:53:05 PM
See, you guys wonder why I fuck with Texas.
Posts bitching about Texas get responses.
Posts whining about how bad Arizona is...nothing.
Fuck Texas and the cow they rode in on!
Sadly, Arizona is like Wyoming. Hell, they even used to be in the same conference.
No reply is needed for either.
Quote from: PDH on October 04, 2011, 10:03:23 PM
Sadly, Arizona is like Wyoming. Hell, they even used to be in the same conference.
No reply is needed for either.
Oh come on now Wyoming is playing Aggies this week. I expect a massive choke allowing Wyoming to win.
Quote from: Valmy on October 04, 2011, 10:31:33 PM
Oh come on now Wyoming is playing Aggies this week. I expect a massive choke allowing Wyoming to win.
Hm. Utah State and Texas A&M have both shown impressive choking abilities. Does New Mexico State do the same thing? What other "Aggies" are there?
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 04, 2011, 09:25:48 PM
I will change the mood:
Fuck the Gamecocks.
Why bother? They have Garcia to do that to themselves.
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Quote from: FunkMonk on October 04, 2011, 09:25:48 PM
I will change the mood:
Fuck the Gamecocks.
Why bother? They have Garcia to do that to themselves.
May he be their QB forever.
Looking more like Mizzou will split.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/05/mizzou-sec-not-ready-to-make-relationship-public/related/
QuoteMizzou, SEC not ready to make relationship public
Posted by Ben Kercheval on October 5, 2011, 7:16 PM EDT
Or, for you kids out there, it's not "Facebook official" yet. It probably won't be for some time. If at all.
When news broke last night that Missouri's Board of Curators gave chancellor Brady Deaton the power to explore all conference affiliation options, the general consensus became that the move was the first step for the Tigers to leave the Big 12 for the SEC.
But, until the dotted line is signed, you can only measure realignment news in varying degrees of probability. Deaton's decision to step down as chairman for the Big 12 Board of Directors coupled with removing himself as the head of the re-adopted Big 12 expansion committee points to the idea that Deaton and Missouri could be trying to separate themselves from the Big 12′s front office.
But is the SEC on the horizon for Mizzou? SEC athletic directors met in Birmingham today to discuss scheduling, and two AD's — Mississippi State's Scott Stricklin and Florida's Jeremy Foley — said the sole purpose was to figure out how to make a 13-member (not 14) conference work.
"We didn't talk any 14-team schedules. It was all focused on the 13-team model," Stricklin said.
If anything, Stricklin's statements might have been Mike Slive-mandated after Tennessee AD Dave Hart blurted out that the SEC would not stop at 13 members.
Missouri is also admittedly taking its time to explore its conference options. As crazy as it might sound, it could be that the SEC is not the school's first choice. A source with knowledge of the situation explained to the Associated Press:
Missouri hoped to join the Big Ten last year but the league instead chose Nebraska. The university official said the Big Ten remains Missouri's top choice but that conference "has no interest."
"That's what's left," the official said, referring to the SEC.
Missouri has options — that much appears certain. If they didn't, the Tigers would have been ready to grant their first and second-tier TV rights to the Big 12 as soon as the conference agreed to split the revenue equally, nor would the BOC meeting have taken four hours.
Which option Missouri will choose remains to be seen, but it feels like staying with the Big 12 is lower on the list.
TCU to the Big XII (according to "sources"). :bleeding:-ish
http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32536916
Hopefully toad football won't collapse after their nice recent run. Don't know about basketball, but their baseball hasn't been awful in recent years either.
E: No other Texas schools are being considered though, so the SWC won't be back. You can't get gold Trans-Ams anymore though, so it just wouldn't have been the same anyway.
I like the move. It isn't super dooper but the Mountain West is the only conference we can get new schools right now. TCU has proven their worth over the past decade.
I think it signals that the 'let's get back to 12' faction has won out in the Big 12 and we can expect more invites soon.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2011, 11:15:14 AM
I like the move. It isn't super dooper but the Mountain West is the only conference we can get new schools right now. TCU has proven their worth over the past decade.
This is basically a raid on the Big East, not the MWC. TCU was already gone from the MWC after this season, and it really seemed like bridges were burned there with that whole scheduling thing (not to mention...well...TCU bailing in the first place), so they weren't going to go back I wouldn't think. They could still get some BE schools and the Mormons without having to take like...Colorado State and Boise or whatever.
The time is set - Wyoming to the Big XII
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 06, 2011, 11:20:09 AM
This is basically a raid on the Big East, not the MWC. TCU was already gone from the MWC after this season, and it really seemed like bridges were burned there with that whole scheduling thing. They could still get some BE schools and the Mormons without having to take like...Colorado State and Boise or whatever.
In my mind the Mountain West had/have four potentially big time programs: BYU, Utah, TCU, and Boise. Now the big boys are grabbing them up. In any case if TCU was actually a member of the BE right now the Big 12 could not take them because they have a two year exit clause in that league.
If Boise was not a trucker school in the middle of nowhere they would probably be gone now to.
Of the BE schools the obvious one the Big 12 should be interested in is Louisville. But again they would have to wait two years.
Quote from: PDH on October 06, 2011, 11:23:25 AM
The time is set - Wyoming to the Big XII
Wyoming needs to get to a BCS game first :P
Though BYU never did come to think of it.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2011, 11:24:04 AM
In my mind the Mountain West had four potentially big time programs: BYU, Utah, TCU, and Boise. Now the big boys are grabbing them up. In any case if TCU was actually a member of the BE right now we could not take them because they have a two year exit clause in that league.
They're supposedly going to have to pay the Big East some $$, but since they haven't started playing there yet and all that, they're not going to have to wait. The MWC was already counting them as gone, while the Big East had them as an upcoming member. This hurts the Big East.....shit this hurts them quite a bit. How many football teams are left there now? Six?
QuoteIf Boise was not a trucker school in the middle of nowhere they would probably be gone now to.
Well yeah. I'd actually be in favor of the Big XII taking them, regardless of academics, if they made removing the blue field a condition of joining. I hate that field
that much.
QuoteThough BYU never did come to think of it.
BYU
did do a thing in 84 though.
My wife's work set up a morale event at the Nevada-UNLV game Saturday complete with tailgate. Yay.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 06, 2011, 11:31:50 AM
My wife's work set up a morale event at the Nevada-UNLV game Saturday complete with tailgate. Yay.
Sounds fun. Don't you sorta like Nevada?
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2011, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 06, 2011, 11:31:50 AM
My wife's work set up a morale event at the Nevada-UNLV game Saturday complete with tailgate. Yay.
Sounds fun. Don't you sorta like Nevada?
Yep. UNLV is a bit of a cupcake these days though. This is a trophy game for the Fremont Cannon. They paint the cannon blue or red depending on who wins. It's been blue for six straight years.
This is also Nevada's first home game of the year. Crazy to start off with a month straight away games, three of which are Oregon, Texas Tech and Boise State.
Should be fun. Plus, a lot of my friends work there too, so this will be a bit like a normal hanging out with my friends event, only paid for by MSFT. :P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 06, 2011, 11:42:35 AM
Should be fun. Plus, a lot of my friends work there too, so this will be a bit like a normal hanging out with my friends event, only paid for by MSFT. :P
Awesome :cheers:
Must be a tough series having to alternate the site between Reno and Vegas.
Uhhh...well LaMichael James is probably done for the season. :x
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 06, 2011, 10:58:13 PM
Uhhh...well LaMichael James is probably done for the season. :x
Oh shit what happened?
Quote from: sbr on October 06, 2011, 11:17:35 PM
Oh shit what happened?
His elbow....well....his arm bent completely the wrong way at the elbow. It looked pretty bad. They put his arm in one of those air casts and brought the cart out onto the field for him since he was in so much pain.
A RB only needs one arm he better be out there next weekend. :menace:
Quote from: sbr on October 06, 2011, 11:27:27 PM
A RB only needs one arm he better be out there next weekend. :menace:
He can hit people with the cast. It'll be great!
He said it wasn't a seaon-ending injury.
He dislocated his elbow. :x Besides tearing your Achilles tendon that has always sounded like one of the most painful things you can do.
QuoteHe would not speculate on whether he'll play next Saturday against No. 22 Arizona State (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=201110060060).
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 06, 2011, 11:42:35 AM
Yep. UNLV is a bit of a cupcake these days though.
Just you wait, you don't know cupcakes untill you get to see Wyoming come to town every other year! Of oucrse, I might go since you will (of course) let me crash on your couch.
Quote from: sbr on October 07, 2011, 07:36:37 AM
He dislocated his elbow. :x Besides tearing your Achilles tendon that has always sounded like one of the most painful things you can do.
QuoteHe would not speculate on whether he'll play next Saturday against No. 22 Arizona State (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=201110060060).
Pictures here if you're interested in such things:
http://30fps.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/2011-October-6-23-56-56.jpg
http://media.oregonlive.com/ducks_impact/photo/lmjjpg-83cd79b95b3a30b5.jpg
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0POLXBzOCrY
It's good that it might not be as bad as it looked live. :)
Quote from: PDH on October 07, 2011, 08:55:16 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 06, 2011, 11:42:35 AM
Yep. UNLV is a bit of a cupcake these days though.
Just you wait, you don't know cupcakes untill you get to see Wyoming come to town every other year! Of oucrse, I might go since you will (of course) let me crash on your couch.
I imagine you can get a decent hotel room for 20 bucks + whatever cash you're willing to spend at the roulette wheel.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 07, 2011, 09:10:58 AM
I imagine you can get a decent hotel room for 20 bucks + whatever cash you're willing to spend at the roulette wheel.
I rely on the kindness of strangers, their couches, and their beer.
Starts next season! :)
...And I have a real guest room.
Quote from: sbr on October 07, 2011, 07:36:37 AM
He dislocated his elbow. :x Besides tearing your Achilles tendon that has always sounded like one of the most painful things you can do.
QuoteHe would not speculate on whether he'll play next Saturday against No. 22 Arizona State (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=201110060060).
That sucks, he is really pretty damn amazing. Hate to see a Pac-12 Heisman candidate get taken out like that.
Quote from: Berkut on October 07, 2011, 03:14:18 PM
Quote from: sbr on October 07, 2011, 07:36:37 AM
He dislocated his elbow. :x Besides tearing your Achilles tendon that has always sounded like one of the most painful things you can do.
QuoteHe would not speculate on whether he'll play next Saturday against No. 22 Arizona State (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=201110060060).
That sucks, he is really pretty damn amazing. Hate to see a Pac-12 Heisman candidate get taken out like that.
He says he dislocated his elbow in high school and played the next week, no idea on how similar the injuries are and we never will considering how secretive they are about everything, especially injuries. I don't think there is any way he plays against ASU next Saturday, which will be a tough game, but ASU always seems to find a way to lose games. As long as he is back healthy and ready to go Nov 5 for the Washington game in Seattle and the next week in Palo Alto. I think the Ducks will be OK against Colorado and Washington State.
I don't think he is a real Heisman candidate anymore. He has been putting up ridiculous numbers but I don't think he can recover from the LSU game.
Quote from: sbr on October 07, 2011, 06:12:47 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 07, 2011, 03:14:18 PM
Quote from: sbr on October 07, 2011, 07:36:37 AM
He dislocated his elbow. :x Besides tearing your Achilles tendon that has always sounded like one of the most painful things you can do.
QuoteHe would not speculate on whether he'll play next Saturday against No. 22 Arizona State (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=201110060060).
That sucks, he is really pretty damn amazing. Hate to see a Pac-12 Heisman candidate get taken out like that.
He says he dislocated his elbow in high school and played the next week, no idea on how similar the injuries are and we never will considering how secretive they are about everything, especially injuries. I don't think there is any way he plays against ASU next Saturday, which will be a tough game, but ASU always seems to find a way to lose games. As long as he is back healthy and ready to go Nov 5 for the Washington game in Seattle and the next week in Palo Alto. I think the Ducks will be OK against Colorado and Washington State.
I don't think he is a real Heisman candidate anymore. He has been putting up ridiculous numbers but I don't think he can recover from the LSU game.
Well, unless Luck gets injured, I don't think anyone else has a shot anyway.
OU may suck but they sure are kicking Texas' ass in football.
I think the future of Texas' season will be determined by how they respond to being humiliated so completely in the first half.
Does OU have their own TV Network?
Aside from the obvious bit about cutting out the turnovers, they need to actually try to tackle instead of going for the big hits. That shit is getting ridiculous.
QuoteDoes OU have their own TV Network?
They're working on one right now.
I'm glad a sucker Texas fan bet me hundred that Texas would win. BOOMER! SOONER!
Nice turnover rook. BOOMER! SOONER!
Oh look another turnover. :rolleyes:
I see Ed is in here with the jorts solidarity.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2011, 01:18:14 PM
Oh look another turnover. :rolleyes:
I see Ed is in here with the jorts solidarity.
I have a hundred bucks on this. Nothing personal. :)
Quote from: Valmy on October 08, 2011, 12:59:11 PM
I think the future of Texas' season will be determined by how they respond to being humiliated so completely in the first half.
*2nd half opens with fumble/touchdown* Whoops. :(
Well, I don't feel so bad this year because we all knew it was coming.
Quote from: Ed Anger
I have a hundred bucks on this. Nothing personal. :)
How the hell did you find someone willing to bet on Texas in this one anyway?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2011, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger
I have a hundred bucks on this. Nothing personal. :)
How the hell did you find someone willing to bet on Texas in this one anyway?
Deluded Longhorns fan. Homers are usually easy marks.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2011, 01:25:03 PM
Deluded Longhorns fan. Homers are usually easy marks.
Man I wish I could find someone willing to basically give me $100. Even my degenerate gambler friends werent betting on Texas. :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2011, 01:19:03 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2011, 01:18:14 PM
Oh look another turnover. :rolleyes:
I see Ed is in here with the jorts solidarity.
I have a hundred bucks on this. Nothing personal. :)
It is just business ;)
Anyway that sorta answered my question on how the team would respond :P
This could be 100-10.
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2011, 01:07:32 PM
Does OU have their own TV Network?
They're working on it supposedly.
Fortunately the football team will not be appearing on the UT network very often anyway. Our women's soccer team will put up a better fight.
Quote from: Valmy on October 08, 2011, 01:41:59 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2011, 01:07:32 PM
Does OU have their own TV Network?
Their working on it supposedly.
Fortunately the football team will not be appearing on the UT network very often anyway. Our women's soccer team will put up a better fight.
Colleges sports teams with TV channels are weird, and I'm against them.
Holy shit stop putting the ball on the ground! Stop it!
If that Gilbert guy is still on the team, Mack Brown should toss him in there and protect those freshmen QB's. Gilbert is expendable anyways.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
If that Gilbert guy is still on the team, Mack Brown should toss him in there and protect those freshmen QB's. Gilbert is expendable anyways.
He has surgery and is out for the season...and he is transferring. Texas has nobody but some walkons right now I think.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
If that Gilbert guy is still on the team, Mack Brown should toss him in there and protect those freshmen QB's. Gilbert is expendable anyways.
Nah he went and got himself some shoulder surgery, which ended his season, and is transferring. They
do have their third QB, who is also expendable.
Hey five turnovers now (six if you count the one they said hit the ground when it didn't). 31 points off of turnovers now, I think.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2011, 02:08:56 PM
Hey five turnovers now (six if you count the one they said hit the ground when it didn't). 31 points off of turnovers now, I think.
Three returned for TDs! Even the Baltimore Ravens are impressed.
Quote from: Valmy on October 08, 2011, 02:11:44 PM
Three returned for TDs! Even the Baltimore Ravens are impressed.
That last one was basically a handoff.
So after the Horns fuck up this 4th down play and turn it over on downs, I wonder if they're going to send Jones out there and keep throwing. Me personally, I wouldn't send Jones back out, but I'd keep heaving it with whoever the backup is.
Edit: Ah. Drew Allen, I think they said, is going out there.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2011, 01:23:23 PM
How the hell did you find someone willing to bet on Texas in this one anyway?
If they bet Texas to win straight up, they had to be either crazy, drunk, or just stupid. But it wouldn't have been a terrible bet if you could have gotten enough points.
Quote from: dps on October 08, 2011, 02:28:53 PM
If they bet Texas to win straight up, they had to be either crazy, drunk, or just stupid.
Or just a homer. There is always one. Only an idiot bets on a team he is a fan of.
Oklahoma State is up 56-7 on Kansas at the half. CAN'T WAIT TILL NEXT WEEK :yuk:
Hey Valmy, are you getting the Arkansas - Auburn game on ESPN? :hmm: It says it's blacked out here (Miami - VaTech was too).
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2011, 06:10:14 PM
Hey Valmy, are you getting the Arkansas - Auburn game on ESPN? :hmm: It says it's blacked out here (Miami - VaTech was too).
Double check. At first Arkansas-Auburn was showing up as blacked out, but it was just the carry-over from Miami-VT.
Watched the last quarter of Miami-VT on ABC, BTW. Good game, at least the end. VT kind of dominated early (which I didn't see--I was watching ND blow out Air Force).
Quote from: dps on October 08, 2011, 06:17:18 PM
Double check. At first Arkansas-Auburn was showing up as blacked out, but it was just the carry-over from Miami-VT.
Ah there it is. Thanks. It had been saying "Auburn @ Arkansas is blacked out in your area <blahblahblah>," and I was wondering wtf.
QuoteWatched the last quarter of Miami-VT on ABC, BTW. Good game, at least the end. VT kind of dominated early (which I didn't see--I was watching ND blow out Air Force).
Yeah I ended up watching the last few minutes of that one on ESPN3 (and then ABC when they went to it). Good times.
Hm. UTSA is tied with South Alabama at the moment with ~3:00 left in the 3rd. Radio dudes said about 33,000 in attendance (it was 32,###, so I rounded up. whatever), so they're still doing pretty well in that area, even though they're only 2-3 overall.
Edit: Doh the Roadrunners lose in double OT.
Edit: No fucking way.
holy shit.
Are you trying to get Dguller fired?
What the fuck? You leaching from someone vindictive or did you actually just post that!? :wacko:
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 08:21:02 PM
Are you trying to get Dguller fired?
DG watching sports? Nigga Please. He is watching the 8th hour of
Lockup on MSNBC.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2011, 08:26:09 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 08:21:02 PM
Are you trying to get Dguller fired?
DG watching sports? Nigga Please. He is watching the 8th hour of Lockup on MSNBC.
:lol: That's the show I think of as "that weird prison rape show".
Damn PDH...and Wyoming started so well to.
Or he found a gallon of blueberries in his freezer and is naked on his couch eating them and smearing them over his pale, slavic body.
With a quarter and a half left, my pants are a dairy factory.
27 - 6? How has the Nebraska defense regressed this much?
Has Pelini pissed himself while raging out at the refs yet?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2011, 09:07:52 PM
27 - 6? How has the Nebraska defense regressed this much?
Has Pelini pissed himself while raging out at the refs yet?
Did you see the halftime interview with Bo? He looked shellshocked.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2011, 09:08:49 PM
Did you see the halftime interview with Bo? He looked shellshocked.
Haha did he? I just got back home and changed the channel away from the Pigs - Auburn game, so I missed it.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2011, 09:10:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2011, 09:08:49 PM
Did you see the halftime interview with Bo? He looked shellshocked.
Haha did he? I just got back home and changed the channel away from the Pigs - Auburn game, so I missed it.
Yep. His face was red at least but he looked and sounded deflated.
Uh oh, Ohio State just coughed it up deep in their own territory.
Quote from: Ed AngerYep. His face was red at least but he looked and sounded deflated.
Maybe he'...touchdown corn....maybe he's just exhausted from all the screaming.
My pantaloons just deflated.
OH FUCK
That is it. I'm going to bed. Fire Fickell.
Wow that was a dumb penalty by that corn DB.
Quote from: Valmy on October 08, 2011, 08:55:23 PM
Damn PDH...and Wyoming started so well to.
I will always cherish the 3-0 start to the season.
It is likely all I will have...
...sigh
:blink: Ohio State's backup QB is really bad.
Fire Fickell. WHY IN THE FUCK DON'T YOU USE KENNY GUITON, YOU STUPID FUCK?
-_- http://www.firefickell.com/
I wonder if Tressel is starting to regret guaranteeing that OSU would be Michigan this year. :hmm:
If OSU is Michigan, then is Michigan OSU? Or are they Michigan State?
Quote from: Neil on October 09, 2011, 09:50:59 AM
If OSU is Michigan, then is Michigan OSU? Or are they Michigan State?
:lol: :blush:
Florida, Florida State and Miami are all out of the Top 25 for the first time in 472 weeks.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-collegefbpoll
Quote from: sbr on October 10, 2011, 12:24:07 AM
Florida, Florida State and Miami are all out of the Top 25 for the first time in 472 weeks.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-collegefbpoll
Given their records last year, I'm not sure why they were ranked so highly in the preseason polls anyway.
Quote from: dps on October 10, 2011, 12:33:03 AM
Given their records last year, I'm not sure why they were ranked so highly in the preseason polls anyway.
FSU is, IIRC, the most over-rated program in terms of initial to final ratings over the last decade. It was 10-4 last year, so it isn't surprising that it was ranked this year in the pre-season. I don't think Miami was ever ranked this season. Dunno why Florida was in the top 25 in the preseason poll. It wasn't very good last year, and doesn't look good this year.
The Nevada-UNLV game was a predictable beatdown. Shutout, even. Still, fun was had. I learned a lot about the New Mexico Lobos. They are featuring a different MW school every week at the games and telling the crowd all kinds of things about them for the upcoming conference move. They're also taking donations to pay for the move. Which means to pay the WAC their penalty money, of course. :P
Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2011, 07:43:56 AM
Dunno why Florida was in the top 25 in the preseason poll. It wasn't very good last year, and doesn't look good this year.
I don't think you can judge UF just on getting crushed by Bama and LSU. Those schools are going to run over alot of people before this season is over.
By the way the ND offense appears to have fixed its redzone issues :lol:
They inducted a Wyoming alum into the Edmonton Eskimos ring of honor tonight.
TCU to the Big 12 is official: http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32647055
And your aggie post of the day (from texags.com, image from Shaggy):
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FD9VzQ.png&hash=d78390e819b8e063c6cb6e363ad37718b21ecc85)
:lol:
Dude doesn't have an "Ag Tag" though, so it's very possibly a troll from Texas/Baylor/Tech/<insert schools here>. There really is apparently a...thing...involving...things like this.....at Texas A&M though.
Oh and Bruce Feldman is saying Mike Stoops has been fired at Arizona. I hear Greg Davis is available.
Quote from: Valmy on October 10, 2011, 11:05:56 AM
I don't think you can judge UF just on getting crushed by Bama and LSU. Those schools are going to run over alot of people before this season is over.
And when you find someone judging UF just on getting crushed by Bama and LSU, you can whip out this argument. Dunno why you made it to me, though. I said nothing about Bama or LSU. I just said Florida didn't look good this year, which is true even outside the last two games. Tulane looked better against UAB than Florida did, and the game was not a home game for Tulane. UF had 150 yards in penalties against Tennessee and so had a very low 3rd down conversion rate (though their run defense looked awesome and kept Tennessee from taking advantage).
Florida isn't awful. It almost couldn't be, given the talent there. It just isn't very good.
Quote from: Valmy on October 10, 2011, 11:06:35 AM
By the way the ND offense appears to have fixed its redzone issues :lol:
Most teams' offensive stats improve a lot playing AFA, but ND does seem to have turned their season around. They still have two losses coming up, in all likelihood, but will end up with a decent bowl.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 10, 2011, 08:17:39 PM
Oh and Bruce Feldman is saying Mike Stoops has been fired at Arizona. I hear Greg Davis is available.
I wonder who Arizona thinks they are going to get that will be better. Stoops was a .500 coach at a school that should be pretty happy when they are over .500 and not to concerned if they go below .500 for a while.
I smell Mike Leach.
That could get interesting!
Barry jr. looks pretty good.
Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu9Q04L4a7k
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/0ThjJu69EeC-rAAmVebEWg/barry-j-sanders-of-heritage-hall--top-50-recruit.htm
Quote5-foot-11 and 195 pounds, Sanders runs 40 yards in an outstanding 4.31 seconds and probably will finish his career with most of the Heritage Hall rushing records.
...
The highly sought Sanders, who carries a 3.39 GPA, has narrowed his college list to Alabama, Florida State, Stanford and LSU. Sanders says his decision will rest on "mainly just the environment and academics." He is expected to announce his college choice at the U.S. Army All-American Bowl on Jan. 7, 2012, at the Alamodome in San Antonio.
Quote from: Neil on October 10, 2011, 06:44:38 PM
They inducted a Wyoming alum into the Edmonton Eskimos ring of honor tonight.
Sean Flemming was a stud - punter, kicker...he was big enough that a couple of times on fake punts he ran over guys to get the 1st down.
Quote from: Neil on October 10, 2011, 06:44:38 PM
They inducted a Wyoming alum into the Edmonton Eskimos ring of honor tonight.
What a shame the Eskies actually won tonight, eh Neil? :P
Quote from: PDH on October 10, 2011, 10:14:06 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 10, 2011, 06:44:38 PM
They inducted a Wyoming alum into the Edmonton Eskimos ring of honor tonight.
Sean Flemming was a stud - punter, kicker...he was big enough that a couple of times on fake punts he ran over guys to get the 1st down.
Yeah. I was there and I was surprised by just what a big guy he was. He had a good 16 years with the team.
Quote from: Barrister on October 10, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 10, 2011, 06:44:38 PM
They inducted a Wyoming alum into the Edmonton Eskimos ring of honor tonight.
What a shame the Eskies actually won tonight, eh Neil? :P
They deserved to win. I was actually at the game, and it was ugly. Dinwittie is useless, and if you can't protect, you can't stretch the field and you can't win.
Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2011, 09:42:20 PM
I smell Mike Leach. That could get interesting!
Yeah that is exactly who I was thinking as well.
Quote from: Neil on October 10, 2011, 10:47:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 10, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 10, 2011, 06:44:38 PM
They inducted a Wyoming alum into the Edmonton Eskimos ring of honor tonight.
What a shame the Eskies actually won tonight, eh Neil? :P
They deserved to win. I was actually at the game, and it was ugly. Dinwittie is useless, and if you can't protect, you can't stretch the field and you can't win.
:o
You actually attended a CFL game? :o
Plans are in motion to attend this Saturdays game. You can guess who the visitors are... :cool:
I don't suppose you'd want to come? It'd be me, my brother, and my wife?
Edit: And I love him so very, very much, but thank God it means we have babysitting in place for baby Tim. :cool:
Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2011, 09:42:20 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 10, 2011, 08:17:39 PM
Oh and Bruce Feldman is saying Mike Stoops has been fired at Arizona. I hear Greg Davis is available.
I wonder who Arizona thinks they are going to get that will be better. Stoops was a .500 coach at a school that should be pretty happy when they are over .500 and not to concerned if they go below .500 for a while.
I smell Mike Leach. That could get interesting!
I have heard multiple people, whose opinion I trust, call Mike Stoops one of the worst in-game coaches in the country. I also heard talk of an impeding mutiny, that was not from as trusted a source and could very well be nonsense; though his screaming and rant and raving on the sidelines has to be old news for the players by now. I can't imagine they listen to much he has to say anymore.
I don't think it would be very hard to find a coach that is at least as good as Stoops, an insufferable asshole who is a poor game manager shouldn't be that hard to replace.
Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2011, 09:42:20 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 10, 2011, 08:17:39 PM
Oh and Bruce Feldman is saying Mike Stoops has been fired at Arizona. I hear Greg Davis is available.
I wonder who Arizona thinks they are going to get that will be better. Stoops was a .500 coach at a school that should be pretty happy when they are over .500 and not to concerned if they go below .500 for a while.
I smell Mike Leach. That could get interesting!
That has always been my argument in regards to Arizona football. Stoops may not be awesome, but Arizona is a basketball school, and has facilities that are grossly out of date when it comes to football. While they are doing some things to address it, it feels pretty much like we are improving from a '80s era to the 90s era, while everyone else is trucking into the future.
However....I am glad Stoops is gone. He took Arizona as far as he could, and it was clear he was not going to take Arizona any further. His sideline antics were embarrassing, and his inability to recruit at even an average Pac-12 level meant he would never have Arizona contending for even a conference title.
Can Arizona bring in someone better? I dunno. But I do know there was no chance of getting someone better while Stoops was still here. Once the Cats fell apart against OSU, there was no way he was going to stay. Surprised at the timing though.
Quote from: Valmy on October 10, 2011, 11:05:56 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2011, 07:43:56 AM
Dunno why Florida was in the top 25 in the preseason poll. It wasn't very good last year, and doesn't look good this year.
I don't think you can judge UF just on getting crushed by Bama and LSU. Those schools are going to run over alot of people before this season is over.
Exactly. Plus, UF had to start a 2nd string true freshman QB for half of the Alabama, and a 3rd string true freshman QB for the whole LSU game.
By the end of the year, UF will probably be a 9-4 team, ranked in the upper 20s, which is about right.
Quote from: stjaba on October 11, 2011, 08:10:04 AM
By the end of the year, UF will probably be a 9-4 team, ranked in the upper 20s, which is about right.
Beat South Carolina plz.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 11, 2011, 08:17:02 AM
Beat South Carolina plz.
Speaking of: Stephen Garcia has been kicked off the team.
http://eye-on-college-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32664312
:nelson:
So there is still quite a bit of noise about Mike Leach. Can anyone enlighten me on what the deal is with him and the controversy/baggage that got him fired? Was he eventually exonerated on it, or what?
BY enlighten me, I mean anything that you might know that is not in his wiki article, for example, which I've already read...
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2011, 07:55:37 AM
BY enlighten me, I mean anything that you might know that is not in his wiki article, for example, which I've already read...
Well I think he just consistently offended the dignity of Texas football (I mean the state of Texas here obviously) and how seriously we take it and the decorum a football coach is supposed to carry himself with. He really did not give a damn about the administration or the boosters and all the people who mattered. Egos were bruised so despite him winning at a remarkable clip they were looking for any opportunity to dump the guy. Also he tried to flee Texas Tech at every opportunity but his reputation for insubordination and being a jerk preceded him wherever he interviewed.
Basically it was political but in a place where football is the #2 sport, like Arizona, he might do very well.
I think the ultimate reason they canned him was a bunch of bullshit but it does display Leach's skills at pissing off the wrong people. That was not exactly what you asked for I know but that is my view.
Quote from: Valmy on October 12, 2011, 08:03:23 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2011, 07:55:37 AM
BY enlighten me, I mean anything that you might know that is not in his wiki article, for example, which I've already read...
Well I think he just consistently offended the dignity of Texas football (I mean the state of Texas here obviously) and how seriously we take it and the decorum a football coach is supposed to carry himself with. He really did not give a damn about the administration or the boosters and all the people who mattered. Egos were bruised so despite him winning at a remarkable clip they were looking for any opportunity to dump the guy. Also he tried to flee Texas Tech at every opportunity but his reputation for insubordination and being a jerk preceded him wherever he interviewed.
Basically it was political but in a place where football is the #2 sport, like Arizona, he might do very well.
I think the ultimate reason they canned him was a bunch of bullshit but it does display Leach's skills at pissing off the wrong people. That was not exactly what you asked for I know but that is my view.
Actually that is pretty much exactly what I was looking for...I didn't follow the story really when it happened, so was not really sure how someone that successful could get fired on what seems like kind of bullshit stuff.
He seems like he could be a good fit, but at the same time Byrne and the President at Arizona really care a LOT about doing things the "right" way. Not sure if Leach's baggage might not just exclude him from consideration altogether. But absent that baggage, he would be perfect for Arizona it seems. Texas connections are critical to our ability to recruit successfully.
He is from Wyoming, so he must be great.
Quote from: PDH on October 12, 2011, 08:40:24 AM
He is from Wyoming, so he must be great.
Darth Cheney agrees.
Cheney was born in Nebraska :(
I'd rate Leach as a first-class football mind in a man who is temperamentally suited only to be a career assistant, but who also has an ego that won't let him take an assistant's job. Most of his players love him, but some loath him. You gotta figure that, in a career where even scum like Tressel had his players almost unanimously support him, the fact that some of Leach's players turned on him is a bad sign.
He could be a good fit for 'Zona, though. He recruits well, has very disciplined and sound teams, but innovates well so the crowds are pleased. He does "fun football" so the fans will probably like him. The administration, not so much.
Bob Stoops, by the way, can kiss my white ass.
What a douchebag.
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
Bob Stoops, by the way, can kiss my white ass.
What a douchebag.
What, the be careful what job you pick or "or you'll end up like my brother"? :D
While it is true that not every job that
appears to be a step up the career ladder is necessarily an upgrade, to imply that Arizona is some dead-end career-killing job is ludicrous. With a good coach they have, and will continue to put together some very, very good teams. Unfortunately they haven't had a very good coach in the last decade.
Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2011, 11:29:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
Bob Stoops, by the way, can kiss my white ass.
What a douchebag.
What, the be careful what job you pick or "or you'll end up like my brother"? :D
While it is true that not every job that appears to be a step up the career ladder is necessarily an upgrade, to imply that Arizona is some dead-end career-killing job is ludicrous. With a good coach they have, and will continue to put together some very, very good teams. Unfortunately they haven't had a very good coach in the last decade.
I can understand a little bit of anger over being fired mid-season, but what really pisses me off is the implication that somehow Arizona screwed Stoops.
Gee, you might end up like my brother?
Meaning $9 million dollars richer after being given eight years to build a program?
It's not like Arizona didn't give the guy a chance, or had crazy unrealistic expectations. He fucking lost 10 games in a row, most of them really, really, REALLY badly while acting like a lunatic on the sidelines!
The idea that Mike Stoops got screwed by Arizona is fucking preposterous.Stoops came in and got Arizona out of the cellar that Whackovich left it in, and made Arizona, maybe not respectable, but at least relevant. Then the wheels fell off the bus and it was clear he was not going to take Arizona to the next level. He had eight freaking years, and has an overall losing record, and a pretty poor Pac-10 winning percentage.
He had his chance.
Agree that Stoops had his chance, but I think Arizona fans/admins are going to have to decide whether they want to be a destination for grade-B coaches, or a stepping-stone for grade-A coaches. The former will give a more consistent record, but at a lower level. The latter will provide bursts of relevance but also very rocky patches.
In Big Ten terms, this would be the difference between Purdue, which is competitive but generally finishes mid-pack, or MSU, which hires the flavor of the week and wins some championships, but also sees the cellar a fair amount.
Quote from: grumbler on October 13, 2011, 06:23:25 AM
Agree that Stoops had his chance, but I think Arizona fans/admins are going to have to decide whether they want to be a destination for grade-B coaches, or a stepping-stone for grade-A coaches. The former will give a more consistent record, but at a lower level. The latter will provide bursts of relevance but also very rocky patches.
In Big Ten terms, this would be the difference between Purdue, which is competitive but generally finishes mid-pack, or MSU, which hires the flavor of the week and wins some championships, but also sees the cellar a fair amount.
Nah, we just need to find the Lute Olson of football.
Some legendary coach who will win national titles but for some insane reason wants to live in Tucson for the rest of their lives.
I don't think that is asking for too much!
So the current buzz is Peterson.
Yeah, that would be really great....but why in the world would he come to Arizona? He turned down USC, I don't think it was because he was waiting for a better gig like the Arizona Wildcats....
Quote from: Berkut on October 13, 2011, 07:38:53 AM
So the current buzz is Peterson.
Yeah, that would be really great....but why in the world would he come to Arizona? He turned down USC, I don't think it was because he was waiting for a better gig like the Arizona Wildcats....
Peterson is never leaving TCU. He is their Lute Olson.
Of course Leach is kind of a legendary coach who would be unlikely to ever leave Arizona no matter how successful he was...just saying.
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
Bob Stoops, by the way, can kiss my white ass.
What a douchebag.
Stoops sorta wears his heart on his sleeve, like his brother. You have to expect he is going to say something snarky to the media when he is upset about something just so he can feel better.
Quote from: Valmy on October 13, 2011, 07:44:24 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 13, 2011, 07:38:53 AM
So the current buzz is Peterson.
Yeah, that would be really great....but why in the world would he come to Arizona? He turned down USC, I don't think it was because he was waiting for a better gig like the Arizona Wildcats....
Peterson is never leaving TCU. He is their Lute Olson.
Of course Leach is kind of a legendary coach who would be unlikely to ever leave Arizona no matter how successful he was...just saying.
Pssst, Petersen is the coach as Boise...not sure who Peterson is...
Quote from: PDH on October 13, 2011, 08:36:17 AM
Pssst, Petersen is the coach as Boise...not sure who Peterson is...
Ah crap I was thinking of Patterson.
Well same for Petersen :P
I'm taking a couple Argentines (brother in law & father in law) to their first college football game Saturday-- Louisville at Cincinnati. It will probably confuse the shit out of them that they'll be going to an NFL game in the same stadium the very next day and that both home teams are Cincinnati.
But at least it won't be at the crappy stadium on UC's campus. Nippert has a serious lack of bathroom facilities.
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2011, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2011, 11:29:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
Bob Stoops, by the way, can kiss my white ass.
What a douchebag.
What, the be careful what job you pick or "or you'll end up like my brother"? :D
While it is true that not every job that appears to be a step up the career ladder is necessarily an upgrade, to imply that Arizona is some dead-end career-killing job is ludicrous. With a good coach they have, and will continue to put together some very, very good teams. Unfortunately they haven't had a very good coach in the last decade.
I can understand a little bit of anger over being fired mid-season, but what really pisses me off is the implication that somehow Arizona screwed Stoops.
Gee, you might end up like my brother?
Meaning $9 million dollars richer after being given eight years to build a program?
It's not like Arizona didn't give the guy a chance, or had crazy unrealistic expectations. He fucking lost 10 games in a row, most of them really, really, REALLY badly while acting like a lunatic on the sidelines!
The idea that Mike Stoops got screwed by Arizona is fucking preposterous.Stoops came in and got Arizona out of the cellar that Whackovich left it in, and made Arizona, maybe not respectable, but at least relevant. Then the wheels fell off the bus and it was clear he was not going to take Arizona to the next level. He had eight freaking years, and has an overall losing record, and a pretty poor Pac-10 winning percentage.
He had his chance.
Can you blame a guy for sticking up for his brother though?
Quote from: Barrister on October 13, 2011, 09:37:04 AM
Can you blame a guy for sticking up for his brother though?
Stoops says stuff like this literally all the time, it is part of his charm. If it was just this one time because of fraternal love that would be one thing.
Quote from: derspiess on October 13, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
I'm taking a couple Argentines (brother in law & father in law) to their first college football game Saturday-- Louisville at Cincinnati. It will probably confuse the shit out of them that they'll be going to an NFL game in the same stadium the very next day and that both home teams are Cincinnati.
But at least it won't be at the crappy stadium on UC's campus. Nippert has a serious lack of bathroom facilities.
I took some of my French friends to a UT-Stanford game back in the 90s. They were utterly perplexed despite my best efforts to explain to them. They thought it was boring as hell, the game lasted like three times as long as a soccer game and everybody kept stopping every couple seconds.
Quote from: Valmy on October 13, 2011, 09:40:01 AMme back in the 90s. They were utterly perplexed despite my best efforts to explain to them. They thought it was boring as hell, the game lasted like three times as long as a soccer game and everybody kept stopping every couple seconds.
That's why they like basketball. They like the tactics but not the strategy.
Quote from: Valmy on October 13, 2011, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 13, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
I'm taking a couple Argentines (brother in law & father in law) to their first college football game Saturday-- Louisville at Cincinnati. It will probably confuse the shit out of them that they'll be going to an NFL game in the same stadium the very next day and that both home teams are Cincinnati.
But at least it won't be at the crappy stadium on UC's campus. Nippert has a serious lack of bathroom facilities.
I took some of my French friends to a UT-Stanford game back in the 90s. They were utterly perplexed despite my best efforts to explain to them. They thought it was boring as hell, the game lasted like three times as long as a soccer game and everybody kept stopping every couple seconds.
My brother took his future Brazilian brother-in-law to a CFL game. He said he seemed to enjoy it.
Quote from: Barrister on October 13, 2011, 11:39:23 AM
My brother took his future Brazilian brother-in-law to a CFL game. He said he seemed to enjoy it.
I also had some Turks over to watch the Texas-OU game in 2003. Since it was on TV they mostly did other stuff but even they realized Oklahoma was destroying Texas.
Maybe South Americans might like it more.
I wanted to take my friend Aimee to an Ohio State game. But frankly, I wouldn't want her exposed to the rabid drunken fanbase in the parking lot.
Quote from: Valmy on October 13, 2011, 09:40:01 AM
I took some of my French friends to a UT-Stanford game back in the 90s. They were utterly perplexed despite my best efforts to explain to them. They thought it was boring as hell, the game lasted like three times as long as a soccer game and everybody kept stopping every couple seconds.
I made my brother in law watch a few college/NFL games on TV with me and also gave him a tour of Paul Brown Stadium, which he really seemed to like. So he shouldn't be too clueless. I wish I could do better than the bland/generic UC home game experience, though. They have the Bearcat mascot and shoot a cannon when they score a TD, woo-hoo.
Something like Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Florida State, etc. would be awesome.
Quote from: Valmy on October 13, 2011, 11:49:21 AM
I also had some Turks over to watch the Texas-OU game in 2003. Since it was on TV they mostly did other stuff but even they realized Oklahoma was destroying Texas.
Maybe South Americans might like it more.
He's a big rugby fan, so I keep relating football to rugby. Plus, I've also been watching baseball almost every night since he's been in and he's been subjected to that. So maybe he'd at least be thankful I can't drag him to a baseball game :D
Quote from: Barrister on October 13, 2011, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2011, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2011, 11:29:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2011, 10:50:08 PM
Bob Stoops, by the way, can kiss my white ass.
What a douchebag.
What, the be careful what job you pick or "or you'll end up like my brother"? :D
While it is true that not every job that appears to be a step up the career ladder is necessarily an upgrade, to imply that Arizona is some dead-end career-killing job is ludicrous. With a good coach they have, and will continue to put together some very, very good teams. Unfortunately they haven't had a very good coach in the last decade.
I can understand a little bit of anger over being fired mid-season, but what really pisses me off is the implication that somehow Arizona screwed Stoops.
Gee, you might end up like my brother?
Meaning $9 million dollars richer after being given eight years to build a program?
It's not like Arizona didn't give the guy a chance, or had crazy unrealistic expectations. He fucking lost 10 games in a row, most of them really, really, REALLY badly while acting like a lunatic on the sidelines!
The idea that Mike Stoops got screwed by Arizona is fucking preposterous.Stoops came in and got Arizona out of the cellar that Whackovich left it in, and made Arizona, maybe not respectable, but at least relevant. Then the wheels fell off the bus and it was clear he was not going to take Arizona to the next level. He had eight freaking years, and has an overall losing record, and a pretty poor Pac-10 winning percentage.
He had his chance.
Can you blame a guy for sticking up for his brother though?
Yes. Sometimes "sticking up for your brother" involves recognizing that he got a perfectly good deal at Arizona, and maybe saying nothing at all is the best move, rather than bad mouthing the place that just turned your brother into a fucking millionaire.
I hope Ohio State doesn't try to pickup the defective Stoops brother because he is an Ohio boy.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 13, 2011, 02:23:09 PM
I hope Ohio State doesn't try to pickup the defective Stoops brother because he is an Ohio boy.
Most coaches are Ohio Boys.
Whatever they do, they better keep Vrabel. Ohio State needs his Belicheat cheat codes.
Lane Kiffin with the tardtastic play call on 4th down. Kick the field goal, douchebag.
This is kind of interesting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZaOFTp5_C8&feature=player_embedded
I am pretty torn on the idea of Leach. He really does seem like a bit of a sleazeball.
And from a football standpoint, I wonder if he would continue to succeed - much of his success at TT was based on his being one of the frontrunners of the spread offense. That isn't some new fangled hard to defend offense anymore.
Leach is definitely a dick, but Arizona would be a pretty good place to install his offense IMO.
As far as his offense goes, it's not really used all that much right now that I can think of. Houston and....that's all I got. Missouri? TTU still does to a certain extent, I guess, but AFAIK, it's...not.....the same. If you include the run and shoot with the air raid (they're similar), there's SMU in there too. What does Hawaii run now?
Anyway, it doesn't seem to be particularly easy to defend when there's at least some talent and depth on the team, which Arizona has and can continue to get. Wouldn't be too painful at all to change what Arizona runs right now (it's a pass heavy-ish spread, right?) into the Leach system either.
Edit: Oklahoma State runs a version of the air raid as well, and WVU probably does now too with Holgorsen there. I haven't seen WVU play at all though.
E2: Looked at Hawaii's roster: No TE's, so they're most likely still run and shoot.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 13, 2011, 10:28:43 PM
Edit: Oklahoma State runs a version of the air raid as well, and WVU probably does now too with Holgorsen there. I haven't seen WVU play at all though.
They do, and they run it really well-- though unfortunately only for a quarter or half each game. In the game against Bowling Green they had to run the ball quite a bit to win, but otherwise it's been air raid.
Quote from: derspiess on October 13, 2011, 11:11:23 PM
They do, and they run it really well-- though unfortunately only for a quarter or half each game. In the game against Bowling Green they had to run the ball quite a bit to win, but otherwise it's been air raid.
A quarter or half each game? Are they a little inconsistent, or are they just blowing everyone out (or both)?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 13, 2011, 11:28:40 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 13, 2011, 11:11:23 PM
They do, and they run it really well-- though unfortunately only for a quarter or half each game. In the game against Bowling Green they had to run the ball quite a bit to win, but otherwise it's been air raid.
A quarter or half each game? Are they a little inconsistent, or are they just blowing everyone out (or both)?
Both, sorta. What usually happens is they come out flat in the first half, and then really tear it up in the 3rd quarter. By the middle of the 4th quarter they are up by such a huge margin that they coast for the rest of the game.
You know the fanbase is demoralized after that stomping by OU when this is all Bill in Sinton has to say about this week's game:
Quote from: Bill in SintonGO HORNS! BEAT OKLAHOMA STATE!
Focus!! Fight and Win!
Synergy. Come on Horn fans. You know what to do. What say Ye?!
I say HOLD OKLAHOMA STATE UNDER 50 Horns!
No car flags? :(
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 14, 2011, 10:33:15 AM
No car flags? :(
No :(
Without car flags how can Texas hope to stop Justin Blackmon?
Quote from: Berkut on October 13, 2011, 10:02:44 PM
This is kind of interesting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZaOFTp5_C8&feature=player_embedded
I am pretty torn on the idea of Leach. He really does seem like a bit of a sleazeball.
And from a football standpoint, I wonder if he would continue to succeed - much of his success at TT was based on his being one of the frontrunners of the spread offense. That isn't some new fangled hard to defend offense anymore.
Realistically Leach's offense is a lot different from the spread. A more traditional spread was ran by say, Urban Meyer, and is pretty common across the country. It's been awhile since I watched B1G games but I seem to remember a few B1G schools are running a traditional spread now. Michigan was running the "spread-option" under Rodriguez (and I think he could have had success there if he had cared at all about defense and also not forced an entire team that had never ran anything aside from a traditional Michigan offense to change 100% over one offseason.)
Houston/OK. State/WVU all run a Leach style offense and having seen more traditional spreads I can say it's a different beast, they probably are the only 3 schools in the country running it.
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2011/10/13/2488528/iowa-football-now-with-more-card-stunts
Heh. Let's get the Hawkeyes on TV!!!!111
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on October 14, 2011, 11:00:40 AM
Michigan was running the "spread-option" under Rodriguez (and I think he could have had success there if he had cared at all about defense and also not forced an entire team that had never ran anything aside from a traditional Michigan offense to change 100% over one offseason.)
If RichRod had only learned to coach players, and not just schemes...
The C-USA and MWC conferences are merging for football: http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32718514
:hmm:
A 22-team conference? That's just nuts.
Of course, they won't be able to hold on to all those teams anyway, but still.
Teh Big East is going to extend a football only invitation to Boise State, Navy, and Air Force and all sports for Central Florida.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-bigeastexpansion
Why would they accept that? The BEast is about to lose their auto-bid and finally join the list of lower-tier conferences officially.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 14, 2011, 05:51:44 PM
The C-USA and MWC conferences are merging for football: http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32718514
:hmm:
I think it is mostly a championship game between the winners of each conference...
Quote from: PDH on October 14, 2011, 07:19:19 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 14, 2011, 05:51:44 PM
The C-USA and MWC conferences are merging for football: http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32718514
:hmm:
I think it is mostly a championship game between the winners of each conference...
Yeah because it gives them a better argument to take the BEast's auto-bid.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 14, 2011, 06:23:19 PM
Why would they accept that? The BEast is about to lose their auto-bid and finally join the list of lower-tier conferences officially.
If West Virginia stays, then them and Boise State will have won enough to salvage the AQ bid I think.
Turnover fest in the Hawaii - SDSU game so far.
The ticker scrolling across the bottom is saying Boise and Air Force are going to turn the Big East down ("sources").
Boise doesn't want to go to a failed conference - they have always made incremental moves up. The Big East right now is seen as a conference on the way down, and they do not want that.
11 turnovers in the Hawaii - SJSU game now. Six INTs (3 each), five fumbles lost (3 HAW, 2 SJSU).
Edit: Ahaha SJSU just returned a blocked PAT for the two point conversion. I don't think I've ever seen that "live" before.
Edit2: Holy shit now they just blocked a field goal that would have put Hawaii up by 8.
Edit3: :lmfao: :lmfao: 12 turnovers now after a SJSU fumble on a really long play with less than 3:00 to go.
And on the potentially game winning touchdown pass, ESPN just leaves the camera on the SJSU QB. Nice work, guys.
San Jose Sate wins by one.
Did the Big East really just invite SMU, UH, and UCF? Dear Hod.
Hey Valmy, you see the Texas-Texas A&M game isn't happening again until at least 2018? I'm having trouble caring.
E: The 2018 OOC schedule so far has one open spot. 9/1 @Maryland (it says Landover, so FedEx Field), 9/15 Southern Cal. Nothing else. Notre Dame is, so far, the only team on the schedules in 2019 and 2020. Prior to that, there are three every year, with the BCS matchups being Ole Miss (2012,2013), @Arkansas (2014), Notre Dame (2015,2016), Cal (2015,2016), and the other @USC and Maryland games in 2017. Also BYU in 2013 and 2014, if they, as independents, can be counted.
Wyoming is coming to Austin next year, PDH, as if you didn't know already. I kinda wish that was a more regular game, but that's the last time the Cowboys are on the schedule.
Oh I guess if UCF accepts the Big East invite, and that AQ bid is still there and all that, they'll be a BCS school. The Horns play them in 2017.
Tennessee coach Dooley's mom defends her son on talk radio:
http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-football/derek-dooleys-mom-defends-him/
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 15, 2011, 12:16:32 AM
Wyoming is coming to Austin next year, PDH, as if you didn't know already. I kinda wish that was a more regular game, but that's the last time the Cowboys are on the schedule.
Oh I know, and I expect Wyoming to do the "roll over and get butt pummeled" routine they always do. Still, last time was great with the Valmster.
Michigan State is trying everything in its power to let Michigan win.
Sparty. :rolleyes:
I will now give me prediction for the Illbuck game:
Luke Fickell will keep inserting Bauserman into the game, just to give me a stroke. He will alternate between his beginner's guide to playcalling coloring book and Tressel's green playbook.
Illinois 34
Ohio State 10
WTF! Back to Back Kickoffs for Touchdowns!
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 15, 2011, 02:12:35 PM
I will now give me prediction for the Illbuck game:
Luke Fickell will keep inserting Bauserman into the game, just to give me a stroke. He will alternate between his beginner's guide to playcalling coloring book and Tressel's green playbook.
Illinois 34
Ohio State 10
Har. BOY WAS I WRONG.
Fickell recovered the ancient Woody Hayes playbook from the sub basement. 100 papyrus pages of running plays and 5 scraps with passing plays. One completed pass. :lol: For a TD. :lol:
Also, the Zookster needs to brush up on when to call timeouts. His 4th qtr playcalling was suspect.
Nailbiter against Vandy. Whew.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 15, 2011, 05:34:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 15, 2011, 02:12:35 PM
I will now give me prediction for the Illbuck game:
Luke Fickell will keep inserting Bauserman into the game, just to give me a stroke. He will alternate between his beginner's guide to playcalling coloring book and Tressel's green playbook.
Illinois 34
Ohio State 10
Har. BOY WAS I WRONG.
Fickell recovered the ancient Woody Hayes playbook from the sub basement. 100 papyrus pages of running plays and 5 scraps with passing plays. One completed pass. :lol: For a TD. :lol:
Also, the Zookster needs to brush up on when to call timeouts. His 4th qtr playcalling was suspect.
Yeah it was total shit. How do you lose when a team only has one completion the whole game? :face:
Here's where I was the whole game:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F296350_10150314677471890_628316889_8259946_1421622287_n.jpg&hash=18ff4addc44f4d6e83eadec79bcdfa2658c9e8e3)
I was going to try to get a picture with Bucky holding a sign saying Ed Anger sucks, but it would have been a lot of :effort:, despite him only being about 50 feet away from me.
Quote from: Alcibiades on October 15, 2011, 10:43:44 PM
I was going to try to get a picture with Bucky holding a sign saying Ed Anger sucks, but it would have been a lot of :effort:, despite him only being about 50 feet away from me.
:lol:
That would have been totally worth it.
The Oregon-ASU game went about as I expected.
Arizona State is talented enough to make it the most interesting game the Ducks have played so far, but ASU is not talented enough to overcome the absurd, mind-boggling mental mistakes every Dennis Erickson team makes. The Sun Devils had 4 persona fouls in the first half, I didn't catch much of the second half.
Hopefully Darron Thomas will be OK.
Quote from: Alcibiades on October 15, 2011, 10:43:44 PM
I was going to try to get a picture with Bucky holding a sign saying Ed Anger sucks, but it would have been a lot of :effort:, despite him only being about 50 feet away from me.
:lol: I would have laughed.
Wyoming, in a stunning display that they are NOT the last-place team in the Mountain West, beat up on lowly UNLV 38-14. I predict that UW will finish not last, not 2nd to last, but maybe, maybe fourth from the bottom.
Really, this is as good as it gets.
Quote from: PDH on October 16, 2011, 09:11:09 AM
Wyoming, in a stunning display that they are NOT the last-place team in the Mountain West, beat up on lowly UNLV 38-14. I predict that UW will finish not last, not 2nd to last, but maybe, maybe fourth from the bottom.
Really, this is as good as it gets.
Time to party and burn some couches.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 16, 2011, 09:55:43 AM
Time to party and burn some couches.
Not until UW beats Colorado State. THEN I will burn an aggie or two...those are some sort of moldy old couch, right?
Grumbler is probably sad today.
Quote from: Neil on October 16, 2011, 10:07:07 AM
Grumbler is probably sad today.
Not really. This was about what I expected. Had the teams played before the Sparty offensive line gelled as a unit, Michigan would have had the edge. As it was, RichRod's decision to neglect recruiting any linebackers until last year made an even decent Sparty O-line look great.
Michigan will lose one more this year, I think.
Quote from: grumbler on October 16, 2011, 01:46:27 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 16, 2011, 10:07:07 AM
Grumbler is probably sad today.
Not really. This was about what I expected. Had the teams played before the Sparty offensive line gelled as a unit, Michigan would have had the edge. As it was, RichRod's decision to neglect recruiting any linebackers until last year made an even decent Sparty O-line look great.
Michigan will lose one more this year, I think.
You might not be disappointed in the result, as you were expecting it, but surely you would rather Michigan have won?
Marcus Lattimore is out for the season.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15746245
Quote from: Neil on October 16, 2011, 01:48:55 PM
You might not be disappointed in the result, as you were expecting it, but surely you would rather Michigan have won?
I'm sure he would, but Michigan is showing obvious signs of improvement after RichRod's attempted destruction of the program, which has to help a lot. Revenge on Sparty will come.
Quote from: Neil on October 16, 2011, 01:48:55 PM
You might not be disappointed in the result, as you were expecting it, but surely you would rather Michigan have won?
:huh: Of course. Why on earth would you question that?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 16, 2011, 02:00:20 PM
I'm sure he would, but Michigan is showing obvious signs of improvement after RichRod's attempted destruction of the program, which has to help a lot. Revenge on Sparty will come.
The offense has, I think, taken a step back from where it was last year. The defense is much, much better, though still hampered by lack of players in a few key positions. The freshmen are playing very well, though, and next year should see a big leap forward on both sides of the ball. The only key loss will be David Molk at center.
Mighty Fighting Ducks! :w00t:
Quote from: grumbler on October 16, 2011, 03:15:57 PM
The offense has, I think, taken a step back from where it was last year. The defense is much, much better, though still hampered by lack of players in a few key positions. The freshmen are playing very well, though, and next year should see a big leap forward on both sides of the ball. The only key loss will be David Molk at center.
How's Robinson, btw? I didn't see the game, but I understand he left at some point with an injury?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 16, 2011, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 16, 2011, 03:15:57 PM
The offense has, I think, taken a step back from where it was last year. The defense is much, much better, though still hampered by lack of players in a few key positions. The freshmen are playing very well, though, and next year should see a big leap forward on both sides of the ball. The only key loss will be David Molk at center.
How's Robinson, btw? I didn't see the game, but I understand he left at some point with an injury?
A Spartoon body slammed him.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 16, 2011, 03:19:27 PM
How's Robinson, btw? I didn't see the game, but I understand he left at some point with an injury?
He was in the press conference. Nothing serious, and he'll start next game (after the bye week). Luckily, Gholston's thug move when Dernard was immobilized by the pile doesn't appear to have succeeded.
I wonder what the Sparties and B10 front office will do, now that it is clear the refs missed the head twist completely (they just flagged for the late hit).
LSU
Alabama
Oklahoma
OSU
Boise St.
Wisconsin
Clemson
Stanford
Arkansas
Oregon
Timmay's bandwagon targets.
Clemson :wub:
Any coach named 'Dabo' is okay in my book.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2011, 07:31:12 PM
LSU
Alabama
Oklahoma
OSU
Boise St.
Wisconsin
Clemson
Standord
Arkansas
Oregon
What stupid poll is this from?
Quote from: sbr on October 16, 2011, 08:24:13 PM
What stupid poll is this from?
I presume that is the initial BCS standings.
Quote from: Valmy on October 16, 2011, 08:35:18 PM
I presume that is the initial BCS standings.
Looks like it.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2011, 07:31:12 PM
LSU
Alabama
Oklahoma
OSU
Boise St.
Wisconsin
Clemson
Standord
Arkansas
Oregon
lol
Quote from: dps on October 16, 2011, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2011, 07:31:12 PM
LSU
Alabama
Oklahoma
OSU
Boise St.
Wisconsin
Clemson
Standord
Arkansas
Oregon
lol
Tim can't even copy/paste without spelling errors? Fucking dumbshit. :lol:
Quote from: sbr on October 16, 2011, 11:52:32 PM
Quote from: dps on October 16, 2011, 09:30:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2011, 07:31:12 PM
LSU
Alabama
Oklahoma
OSU
Boise St.
Wisconsin
Clemson
Standord
Arkansas
Oregon
lol
Tim can't even copy/paste without spelling errors? Fucking dumbshit. :lol:
I didn't copy/paste, I wrote them down as they were being announced live on ESPN.
I have to say the chest beating of Michigan State is pretty insufferable.
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
I have to say the chest beating of Michigan State is pretty insufferable.
As long as it's directed at Michigan it's ok.
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
I have to say the chest beating of Michigan State is pretty insufferable.
You shut your mouth. MSU is A-OK in my books.
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2011, 03:18:40 PM
I have to say the chest beating of Michigan State is pretty insufferable.
It is as predictable as their thuggery. That's what Lil' Bro does when he gets one up on Big Bro. You're from Texas; you know exactly how it is (except that there has probably been no Aggie team so ill-disciplined as to collect six personal fouls in a single game).
Quote from: Barrister on October 17, 2011, 03:37:01 PM
You shut your mouth. MSU is A-OK in my books.
That's really funny!
Dope smoking? Hang 'em! Malicious Assault with Intent to Commit Grievous Bodily Harm? A-OK in my book! :lol:
Death to the Big 12! Death to Texas!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/sports/ncaafootball/missouri-moves-closer-to-joining-sec.html?_r=3&ref=sports
QuoteMissouri Moves Closer to Joining SEC
By PETE THAMEL
Published: October 17, 2011
The University of Missouri is heading down a path to join the Southeastern Conference, said a university official with direct knowledge of the situation.
The person said that Missouri's decision to apply for membership to the SEC was "inevitable and imminent," although a specific timeframe has yet to be set. Missouri's Board of Curators will meet on Thursday and Friday at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, where the process of withdrawing from the Big 12 and applying to the SEC is expected to begin. Expansion is not listed on the agenda, but there is a private session scheduled Thursday afternoon and Friday morning.
After it applies, the person said that Missouri expected "no problems" with gathering enough votes among SEC presidents for it to become a member.
Although the interim Big 12 commissioner, Chuck Neinas, said last week that he expected Missouri to play in the Big 12 still in 2012, it was possible that it could start play in the SEC as early as next year. Missouri would become the SEC's 14th member; the league added Texas A&M in September. The SEC would prefer 14 members, as scheduling is a much simpler process with two seven-team divisions.
It is expected that the SEC presidents will tie the same caveat about legal entanglements to Missouri's application that they did to Texas A&M's. The SEC has made it clear that it wants no part of any legal problems, which held up Texas A&M's admission for more than a month.
Missouri has emerged as an unlikely linchpin in expansion, considering it has never won a Big 12 title in football. But the futures of the Big 12, the SEC and the Big East were tied to Missouri's decision.
This news dampens some optimism for the Big East, which appeared to be gaining momentum toward reviving its football fortunes. The exits of Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Texas Christian have the league struggling for survival, and Louisville and West Virginia are considered strong candidates, along with Brigham Young, for Big 12 expansion.
The Big East has made it clear that it would like to add Boise State, Air Force and Navy in football and Central Florida, Southern Methodist and Houston in all sports. The potential problem for the Big East is that it needs stability to remain attractive to potential new members.
Neinas said recently that if Missouri left, the Big 12 would settle at 10 or 12 teams. The Big 12 chairman Burns Hargis, the president of Oklahoma State, said Saturday that he would prefer a 12-team league, but acknowledged that his preference might not matter.
The loss of Missouri would leave Big 12 membership at nine, meaning a likely expansion of one or three universities, prompting more uncertainty and shuffling on the collegiate landscape.
Quote from: grumbler on October 17, 2011, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 17, 2011, 03:37:01 PM
You shut your mouth. MSU is A-OK in my books.
That's really funny! Dope smoking? Hang 'em! Malicious Assault with Intent to Commit Grievous Bodily Harm? A-OK in my book! :lol:
The brothers of DU - Michigan State - were very gracious when we visited in '99. :mad:
THough I will note there is also a chapter at Michigan. :hug:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 18, 2011, 09:13:36 AM
Death to Texas!
:rolleyes: It's like having a little wannabe aggie right here on Languish. Doesn't quite understand what will actually happen, but hopes against hope that it will somehow hurt Texas, regardless of the consequences for the rest of the league.
So is the Timmy Taint so strong that the Big 12 will now rise again? :hmm:
Quote from: Barrister on October 18, 2011, 09:34:32 AM
So is the Timmy Taint so strong that the Big 12 will now rise again? :hmm:
Heck it is having one of its best seasons and certainly the best one since 2008 so evidently it is working already!
Quote from: Barrister on October 18, 2011, 09:34:32 AM
So is the Timmy Taint so strong that the Big 12 will now rise again? :hmm:
With this level of taint, it'll probably end up as a super-mega conference after poaching Michigan, Florida, Ohio State, Bama, Southern Cal, VaTech, Wisconsin, and LSU. And ESPN will announce they had a slight typo in the LHN contract, and instead of $300 million, it's $300
billion.
:lol:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 18, 2011, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 18, 2011, 09:34:32 AM
So is the Timmy Taint so strong that the Big 12 will now rise again? :hmm:
With this level of taint, it'll probably end up as a super-mega conference after poaching Michigan, Florida, Ohio State, Bama, Southern Cal, VaTech, Wisconsin, and LSU. And ESPN will announce they had a slight typo in the LHN contract, and instead of $300 million, it's $300 billion.
:lol:
Great quote I just heard on the idea of Leach at Arizona:
QuoteHiring Leach is like siding with the Russians in WW2. You don't feel good about it, but it dramatically increases your chance of winning.
:lol:
But it is not like Leach is going to get you on probation or anything he is just an asshole.
Adam James deserved to be locked in a shed.
Quote from: Berkut on October 19, 2011, 01:36:20 AM
Great quote I just heard on the idea of Leach at Arizona:
QuoteHiring Leach is like siding with the Russians in WW2. You don't feel good about it, but it dramatically increases your chance of winning.
So after the initial disasters he will lose a lot of ground, eventually making some crucial stops. Finally, by year 3 he will go on the offensive with a methodical, slow, but winning formulat to grind it out.
:lol: Neuheisel is going to get fired at halftime.
Well, that was kind of interesting.
Quote from: Berkut on October 20, 2011, 11:14:52 PM
Well, that was kind of interesting.
Is this you Berk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jZrgWlSUb8
Quote from: Valmy on October 21, 2011, 12:16:27 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 20, 2011, 11:14:52 PM
Well, that was kind of interesting.
Is this you Berk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jZrgWlSUb8
That was hilarious.
The fight immediately after, not so much...
It was nice to see Arizona show some kind of fight though, both in the game and in the brawl...
Q: Why is "Big Ten" still an appropriate name for the football conference that Nebraska joined this year?
A: Indiana and Minnesota.
Quote from: dps on October 21, 2011, 03:39:27 PM
Q: Why is "Big Ten" still an appropriate name for the football conference that Nebraska joined this year?
A: Indiana and Minnesota.
Here is the case to call it "Big Nine"
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=312530242
Of course I am one to talk. The Big XII-II-I+I
Whoa Wisconsin came back on Sparty while I was getting a haircut. I left right after MSU scored the TD to get to 31.
What the hell is happening to Oklahoma? 24-7 Texas Tech at the half.
Ahaha holy shit thats a touchdown for Sparty. The ball got in there fo sho.
E: Call reversed. Touchdown, Sparty wins. :lmfao: :lmfao:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 22, 2011, 10:28:14 PM
Ahaha holy shit thats a touchdown for Sparty. The ball got in there fo sho.
E: Call reversed. Touchdown, Sparty wins. :lmfao: :lmfao:
Anybody that missed that one, don't worry. It'll get replayed a lot.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 22, 2011, 10:28:14 PM
Ahaha holy shit thats a touchdown for Sparty. The ball got in there fo sho.
E: Call reversed. Touchdown, Sparty wins. :lmfao: :lmfao:
That was such a great play!
Wow now we will never hear the end of Michigan State.
Ah well Wisconsin will get their revenge in the title game.
Notre Dame kind of blew it today. That was their big chance to beat USC while they are down.
Quote from: Valmy on October 22, 2011, 10:50:51 PM
Wow now we will never hear the end of Michigan State.
Ah well Wisconsin will get their revenge in the title game.
Notre Dame kind of blew it today. That was their big chance to beat USC while they are down.
Turnovers did them in. That one down near the goal line that went the other way was killer.
TT scored again, hard to see Oklahoma coming back from this.
Oklahoma st. to #3, Boise st. to #4, Standford to #5?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 22, 2011, 10:52:49 PM
TT scored again, hard to see Oklahoma coming back from this.
Oklahoma st. to #3, Boise st. to #4, Standford to #5?
Oh God STFU.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 22, 2011, 10:52:49 PM
Standford to #5?
Is it really that hard for you to spell that? :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on October 22, 2011, 10:50:51 PM
Wow now we will never hear the end of Michigan State.
Ah well Wisconsin will get their revenge in the title game.
Notre Dame kind of blew it today. That was their big chance to beat USC while they are down.
USC isn't really down. They're 6-1, with the only loss being to a conference rival by 7 points. They're just "down" because they're on probation and can't go bowling and therefore aren't getting much attention. And because a lot of people don't like Lane Kiffin, so when they do talk about USC now, they like to refer to USC as being down, because it reflects poorly on Kiffin.
Quote from: dps on October 22, 2011, 11:06:19 PM
USC isn't really down. They're 6-1, with the only loss being to a conference rival by 7 points. They're just "down" because they're on probation and can't go bowling and therefore aren't getting much attention. And because a lot of people don't like Lane Kiffin, so when they do talk about USC now, they like to refer to USC as being down, because it reflects poorly on Kiffin.
Well they are good just not a complete monster like they will be next year. USC is going to back to domination very soon and ND just blew their one chance to win one.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 22, 2011, 10:59:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 22, 2011, 10:52:49 PM
Standford to #5?
Is it really that hard for you to spell that? :lol:
Yes, I automatically write it down like New Englanders say it.
C'mon Tech. Finish the filthy land thieves off.
Man phone posting is irritating.
So while watching USC today, I wondered why Notre Dame even bothered coming out. :D
So........OU sucks.
I'm just sayin.
CBS let the BCS slip early
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/bcs
Rank Team BCS Avg
1 LSU 0.9722
2 Alabama 0.9619
3 Oklahoma State 0.9241
4 Boise State 0.8655
5 Stanford 0.8184
6 Clemson 0.8148
7 Arkansas 0.693
8 Oregon 0.689
9 Oklahoma 0.6534
10 Kansas State 0.6486
11 Michigan State 0.5382
12 Virginia Tech 0.5248
13 South Carolina 0.4847
14 Nebraska 0.4447
15 Wisconsin 0.4108
16 Texas A&M 0.3774
17 Houston 0.3363
18 Michigan 0.3295
19 Penn State 0.3025
20 Arizona State 0.2342
21 Georgia 0.1846
22 Texas 0.1774
23 Texas Tech 0.1392
24 West Virginia 0.113
25 Auburn 0.1012
They didn't let anything slip, from your link:
QuoteBelow are Jerry Palm's projected BCS Standings. With Oklahoma's loss to Texas Tech and Wisconsin's loss to Michigan State, Palm projects Oklahoma State to move up to the No. 3 slot, while LSU and Alabama are still ranked in the top two spots.
The official BCS Standings come out Sunday night at 8 p.m. ET
You know what projected means, right?
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 10:54:54 AM
They didn't let anything slip, from your link:
QuoteBelow are Jerry Palm's projected BCS Standings. With Oklahoma's loss to Texas Tech and Wisconsin's loss to Michigan State, Palm projects Oklahoma State to move up to the No. 3 slot, while LSU and Alabama are still ranked in the top two spots.
The official BCS Standings come out Sunday night at 8 p.m. ET
You know what projected means, right?
They should have posted that at the top then.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2011, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 10:54:54 AM
They didn't let anything slip, from your link:
QuoteBelow are Jerry Palm's projected BCS Standings. With Oklahoma's loss to Texas Tech and Wisconsin's loss to Michigan State, Palm projects Oklahoma State to move up to the No. 3 slot, while LSU and Alabama are still ranked in the top two spots.
The official BCS Standings come out Sunday night at 8 p.m. ET
You know what projected means, right?
They should have posted that at the top then.
Well yeah but you should know that CBS or the BCS are not ever going to let the new standing "slip" early. Anything you see before 8 ET on Sunday are projected standings.
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2011, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 10:54:54 AM
They didn't let anything slip, from your link:
QuoteBelow are Jerry Palm's projected BCS Standings. With Oklahoma's loss to Texas Tech and Wisconsin's loss to Michigan State, Palm projects Oklahoma State to move up to the No. 3 slot, while LSU and Alabama are still ranked in the top two spots.
The official BCS Standings come out Sunday night at 8 p.m. ET
You know what projected means, right?
They should have posted that at the top then.
Well yeah but you should know that CBS or the BCS are not ever going to let the new standing "slip" early. Anything you see before 8 ET on Sunday are projected standings.
It's done on ESPN right?
Why would CBS care, they're enemies.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2011, 11:04:02 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2011, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 10:54:54 AM
They didn't let anything slip, from your link:
QuoteBelow are Jerry Palm's projected BCS Standings. With Oklahoma's loss to Texas Tech and Wisconsin's loss to Michigan State, Palm projects Oklahoma State to move up to the No. 3 slot, while LSU and Alabama are still ranked in the top two spots.
The official BCS Standings come out Sunday night at 8 p.m. ET
You know what projected means, right?
They should have posted that at the top then.
Well yeah but you should know that CBS or the BCS are not ever going to let the new standing "slip" early. Anything you see before 8 ET on Sunday are projected standings.
It's done on ESPN right?
Why would CBS care, they're enemies.
If they are enemies how in the fuck would CBS get the standings before ESPN released them?
EDIT: And no it is Fox that releases them.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2011, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 10:54:54 AM
They didn't let anything slip, from your link:
QuoteBelow are Jerry Palm's projected BCS Standings. With Oklahoma's loss to Texas Tech and Wisconsin's loss to Michigan State, Palm projects Oklahoma State to move up to the No. 3 slot, while LSU and Alabama are still ranked in the top two spots.
The official BCS Standings come out Sunday night at 8 p.m. ET
You know what projected means, right?
They should have posted that at the top then.
Translation: Timmy is a lazy fuck and doesn't read the shit he posts.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 23, 2011, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2011, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 10:54:54 AM
They didn't let anything slip, from your link:
QuoteBelow are Jerry Palm's projected BCS Standings. With Oklahoma's loss to Texas Tech and Wisconsin's loss to Michigan State, Palm projects Oklahoma State to move up to the No. 3 slot, while LSU and Alabama are still ranked in the top two spots.
The official BCS Standings come out Sunday night at 8 p.m. ET
You know what projected means, right?
They should have posted that at the top then.
Translation: Timmy is a lazy fuck and doesn't read the shit he posts.
Does any one need to know numbers 13-25 in the BCS standing?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2011, 12:51:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 23, 2011, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2011, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 10:54:54 AM
They didn't let anything slip, from your link:
QuoteBelow are Jerry Palm's projected BCS Standings. With Oklahoma's loss to Texas Tech and Wisconsin's loss to Michigan State, Palm projects Oklahoma State to move up to the No. 3 slot, while LSU and Alabama are still ranked in the top two spots.
The official BCS Standings come out Sunday night at 8 p.m. ET
You know what projected means, right?
They should have posted that at the top then.
Translation: Timmy is a lazy fuck and doesn't read the shit he posts.
Does any one need to know numbers 13-25 in the BCS standing?
Does anyone need to know anything about the BCS rankings before the last poll (which is the only one that matters), much less in October?
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2011, 12:51:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 23, 2011, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2011, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 23, 2011, 10:54:54 AM
They didn't let anything slip, from your link:
QuoteBelow are Jerry Palm's projected BCS Standings. With Oklahoma's loss to Texas Tech and Wisconsin's loss to Michigan State, Palm projects Oklahoma State to move up to the No. 3 slot, while LSU and Alabama are still ranked in the top two spots.
The official BCS Standings come out Sunday night at 8 p.m. ET
You know what projected means, right?
They should have posted that at the top then.
Translation: Timmy is a lazy fuck and doesn't read the shit he posts.
Does any one need to know numbers 13-25 in the BCS standing?
Does anyone need to know anything about the BCS rankings before the last poll (which is the only one that matters), much less in October?
Meh, if Timmay wants to take that tack, it's not like anybody
needs to follow college sports in the first place.
And for the real thing the top ten is...
LSU
Alabama
Oklahoma State
Boise State
Clemson
Stanford
Oregon
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Arkansas
West Virginia to move to the Big 12.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11298/1184794-100.stm
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 25, 2011, 01:40:12 PM
West Virginia to move to the Big 12.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11298/1184794-100.stm
We shall see.
The two new Pac-12 members are a combined 0-8 in conference play.
Quote from: Berkut on October 25, 2011, 01:49:37 PM
The two new Pac-12 members are a combined 0-8 in conference play.
They took Colorado fair and square. No take backs.
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 01:44:03 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 25, 2011, 01:40:12 PM
West Virginia to move to the Big 12.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11298/1184794-100.stm
We shall see.
They reported it on ESPN has breaking news like it was a done deal.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 25, 2011, 02:01:02 PM
They reported it on ESPN has breaking news like it was a done deal.
There is alot of funkiness around the whole Missouri-West Virginia thing. I am just waiting until something, you know, happens.
There are a few other very smokey rumors about the Big 12 going on as well but, granted, ESPN reporting this story does give it alot of legitimacy.
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 25, 2011, 01:49:37 PM
The two new Pac-12 members are a combined 0-8 in conference play.
They took Colorado fair and square. No take backs.
I am sure Utah is loving the move now too!
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 25, 2011, 01:49:37 PM
The two new Pac-12 members are a combined 0-8 in conference play.
They took Colorado fair and square. No take backs.
Colorado looked like a messy abortion at the 'shoe.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 25, 2011, 04:07:27 PM
Colorado looked like a messy abortion at the 'shoe.
Their program had been completely destroyed by Barnett. They were a shadow of their former selves and nobody misses them over here. I mean all they had was a football program and now that that sucks they have nothing.
Quote from: PDH on October 25, 2011, 03:54:40 PM
I am sure Utah is loving the move now too!
At least Utah gets to play Colorado every year.
I'd love to go to the Whisky-Ohio State game, but I'll be damned if I go to another night game. Trying to dodge the saturday night drunks at 1am in Columbus is a job for a younger person.
In fact, I hate all college night games. Play in the afternoon you assholes.
I'll take WVU's couch burning over the aggies milkmen, cadets, and grode jars any day of the damn week. Missouri wasn't exactly an athletic powerhouse in anything. They compare more with the Toads as far as that is concerned. Of course, TCU has won the Rose Bowl.
Missou is gonna get eaten alive in the SEC.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 25, 2011, 05:59:37 PM
Missou is gonna get eaten alive in the SEC.
True, but they will either grow strong, or die. The move is a mistake on balance, I think, but I don't feel strongly that it is.
So what's the new east/west breakdown in the red state conference going to be then? Someone will have to move east presumably.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 25, 2011, 06:09:48 PM
So what's the new east/west breakdown in the red state conference going to be then? Someone will have to move east presumably.
Missouri is supposedly going to the east so there won't be any problems.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 25, 2011, 05:04:16 PM
Missouri wasn't exactly an athletic powerhouse in anything.
They've put together some decent round ball teams.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 25, 2011, 06:29:56 PM
They've put together some decent round ball teams.
That should be *or* anything. Sorry about that. They've won 10 conference titles total, all sports included, which is good for.....dead last in the conference. This apparently includes the three times they won/tied the North in football (went to the B12CG twice and got demolished twice). They won the conference hoops tournament once.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&&DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205160610
Speaking of basketball, one thing I'd be interested in seeing is the Big XII poaching Cincy and Louisville along with WVU. The north would be pretty awesome. Kansas, WVU, UL, Cincy. And Kansas State hasn't sucked lately at all. Iowa State....welp....sorry, guys.
An awesome new website for your perusal
www.firejerrykill.com
Quote from: grumbler on October 25, 2011, 06:07:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 25, 2011, 05:59:37 PM
Missou is gonna get eaten alive in the SEC.
True, but they will either grow strong, or die. The move is a mistake on balance, I think, but I don't feel strongly that it is.
My vanity leads me to believe the only reason they had been decent recently is because being in the Big 12 gave them access to Texas recruits. In fact they have 35 Texans on their roster right now. Now they have tossed that competitive advantage away and will soon go back to being horrible like they were in the Big 8 days. Granted they go get to play in College Station every other year, but I do not think that is enough.
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 09:42:53 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 25, 2011, 06:07:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 25, 2011, 05:59:37 PM
Missou is gonna get eaten alive in the SEC.
True, but they will either grow strong, or die. The move is a mistake on balance, I think, but I don't feel strongly that it is.
My vanity leads me to believe the only reason they had been decent recently is because being in the Big 12 gave them access to Texas recruits. In fact they have 35 Texans on their roster right now. Now they have tossed that competitive advantage away and will soon go back to being horrible like they were in the Big 8 days. Granted they go get to play in College Station every other year, but I do not think that is enough.
Even at that, it's not like they've even been consistantly good. And as far as being better than good, when was their last conference title? Back in the Big 8 days, I'm sure. 1980 or so, maybe?
Quote from: Ed AngerMissou is gonna get eaten alive in the SEC.
They'll essentially be about like what South Carolina would probably be without Spurrier.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 25, 2011, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 01:44:03 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 25, 2011, 01:40:12 PM
West Virginia to move to the Big 12.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11298/1184794-100.stm
We shall see.
They reported it on ESPN has breaking news like it was a done deal.
Here Tim this is why nothing is a done deal until it is a done deal and why I do not post conference rumors in this thread:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7152071/west-virginia-mountaineers-move-big-12-hold-source-says
Quote from: dps on October 25, 2011, 10:28:34 PM
Even at that, it's not like they've even been consistantly good. And as far as being better than good, when was their last conference title? Back in the Big 8 days, I'm sure. 1980 or so, maybe?
1969 is their last conference championship in football.
Quote from: Valmy on October 26, 2011, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: dps on October 25, 2011, 10:28:34 PM
Even at that, it's not like they've even been consistantly good. And as far as being better than good, when was their last conference title? Back in the Big 8 days, I'm sure. 1980 or so, maybe?
1969 is their last conference championship in football.
Even worse than I figured. But at least I was right about it being back in the Big 8 days.
Hey Valmy, as someone who is familiar with Jeff "Mad Dog" Madden, I figured you might get a kick out of what Bennie Wylie is up to these days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ETddtcGCTSQ#!
:lol: The dude is a damn monster. The difference between this guy and that man boobed fat slob Madden is just astounding. I'll be interested in seeing where all these freshmen are, S&C wise, after a couple of years working with Wylie.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 26, 2011, 09:23:07 PM
Hey Valmy, as someone who is familiar with Jeff "Mad Dog" Madden, I figured you might get a kick out of what Bennie Wylie is up to these days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ETddtcGCTSQ#!
:lol: The dude is a damn monster. The difference between this guy and that man boobed fat slob Madden is just astounding. I'll be interested in seeing where all these freshmen are, S&C wise, after a couple of years working with Wylie.
Thank God. Mad Dog looked more out of shape than our fanbase.
That video was awesome. I am not sure if I wish I was a football player so I could get into that good a shape or I am glad I never played so I never had to go through workouts like that. I mean that medicine ball push up was part of the warm up eh?
Quote from: Valmy on October 26, 2011, 09:44:34 PM
Thank God. Mad Dog looked more out of shape than our fanbase.
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lolz
Hey do you know if he still runs out on the field with the players before the game? I haven't looked/noticed.
QuoteThat video was awesome. I am not sure if I wish I was a football player so I could get into that good a shape or I am glad I never played so I never had to go through workouts like that. I mean that medicine ball push up was part of the warm up eh?
I am determined to replicate this workout and get huge. I just need an ATV and a camera crew to push around on my football field. :hmm:
Couple of games tonight. I'll be watching the Rice - Houston game, solely because Rice just got themselves a future superstar last week.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Rice-walk-on-RB-Jayson-Carter-is-legally-a-midge?urn=ncaaf-wp8758
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30 carries. DO IT, RICE
Uh well...I went from baseball to check on this one, and.....66-34 Houston leads, Keenum with eight TD passes (22-35 483yds 1INT). Patrick Edwards has 6 catches for 271 yards and 4 TDs.
The fourth quarter just started. :blink:
Edit: Make that 9 TDs for Keenum and 5 for Edwards. 73-34.
What channel is that on?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 27, 2011, 10:47:54 PM
What channel is that on?
It's over. Was on FSN Houston. 73-34 Houston.
Keenum finished 24-37 534yds 9TDs 1INT
Edwards finished with 7 catches for 318 and 5TDs.
For Rice, Tyler Smith had 13 rushes for 170, 2TDs, 3 catches for 73 and 1. Good night for him too.
Brilliant! :D
http://www.firejerrykill.com/2011/10/28/big-ten-mascot-ratings/
I guess Michigan was unable to get the rights for their mascot from Marvel.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2011, 10:01:49 AM
I guess Michigan was unable to get the rights for their mascot from Marvel.
Actually, Michigan discovered that wolverines were far too ferocious to use as an actual mascot; they had one for a single season and then dropped it as too hazardous.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 27, 2011, 07:26:08 PM
Couple of games tonight. I'll be watching the Rice - Houston game, solely because Rice just got themselves a future superstar last week.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Rice-walk-on-RB-Jayson-Carter-is-legally-a-midge?urn=ncaaf-wp8758
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30 carries. DO IT, RICE
I saw Rice play at Marshall about three years ago. Got a kick out of seeing an Asian cheerleader with the word "Rice" on her outfit :)
Ok now it is official. West Virginia will join the Big 12 July 1st 2012.
Story: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7159905/west-virginia-mountaineers-formally-invited-join-big-12
QuoteWest Virginia, a member of the Big East since 1995, will leave the conference after being formally invited Friday to join the Big 12.
The Big 12, meanwhile, plans to remain at 10 schools and is waiting on the departure of Missouri -- which has yet to receive a formal invitation to join the Southeastern Conference.
"This move by West Virginia does not come as a surprise," Big East commissioner John Marinatto said in a statement Friday. "League officials, members of our conference and the candidate schools to whom we have been talking were aware of this possibility. We have taken West Virginia's possible departure into account as we have moved forward with our own realignment plans."
Marinatto also said Friday that West Virginia is aware that the conference will enforce the 27-month notification period to leave the Big East -- the same rule applied to Pittsburgh and Syracuse, who have agreed to join the Atlantic Coast Conference.
"The Big 12 is a perfect fit for West Virginia University," university president James P. Clements said in a statement. "This is a very exciting time for WVU and Mountaineer nation. I am confident that the future of WVU athletics has never been more promising."
The Big 12, meanwhile, is still waiting for the SEC to move on Missouri. The SEC said Friday that an announcement that Missouri was joining the league was inadvertently posted on the league's website Thursday night and that no agreement has been reached.
The only thing holding up Missouri's departure is legal concerns, according to multiple reports.
In a news release Friday announcing the addition of West Virginia, the Big 12 said that "beginning with the 2012-13 season it is expected that the Big 12 will be comprised of 10 universities -- Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech and West Virginia." Missouri was not included in the release.
The Big 12's decision to remain at 10 -- it lost Texas A&M to the SEC and Colorado to the Pac-12, then added TCU before it ever played in the Big East, and now WVU -- will prevent Louisville from potentially joining. Louisville men's basketball coach Rick Pitino said Friday that Marinatto was disappointed in WVU's decision.
"I told him to stop taking that attitude," Pitino told ESPN.com's Andy Katz. "If Louisville had left the Big East was over. Nobody was going to come in. I told him to be fired up and go get those teams."
The teams Pitino is referring to are potential Big East invitees Boise State, Air Force, Navy, BYU, Central Florida, Houston and SMU. Marinatto has told Pitino that he has visited with or spoken to officials from each of the schools about joining the conference, Pitino said.
"We are confident that in the coming weeks we will complete our own realignment program, adding a number of high-quality members to remain among the top conferences in both football and basketball," Marinatto said in his statement.
Central Florida's board of trustees voted unanimously Friday to give school president John Hitt the authority to negotiate a contract for its athletics programs to join a new league. The vote came during a brief meeting Friday.
Pitino has expressed an opinion that the Big East should strongly consider inviting Memphis and Temple to keep the Big East as strong a basketball conference as possible.
"I told (Marinatto) we have to make sure this is a basketball conference, too. Take them all," Pitino said. "I told him that the only school that would leave now if it could is Connecticut. They want to go to the ACC. So plan for that."
Pitino said that Marinatto told him he was confident that invitations would be accepted by the schools save BYU; the Cougars have yet to indicate where their future lies.
Pitino would like to see football schools Louisville, Rutgers, UConn (for now), Cincinnati and South Florida remain with the Big East and the conference to add Navy, Boise State and Air Force for football and Memphis, Temple, Houston, SMU and Central Florida in all sports.
In Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia, the Big East loses three traditionally strong basketball programs, with the latter being the only consistent winner in football.
"We can have a helluva basketball conference if we add Memphis and Temple, build ourselves, go to divisions," Pitino said Friday. "We can't lose our identity. I'll be so disappointed if it doesn't happen."
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The Big Ten should start sniffing Louisville's crotch to see if there is any interest.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 28, 2011, 11:28:22 AM
The Big Ten should start sniffing Louisville's crotch to see if there is any interest.
It is really odd seeing Pitino driving the Big East bandwagon with his school coming so close to bolting.
Oh god no. The last thing I want to see is billy bob homering for the B10.
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2011, 11:33:19 AM
It is really odd seeing Pitino driving the Big East bandwagon with his school coming so close to bolting.
He's a basketball coach. Why wouldn't he be for the stronger basketball/weaker football conference?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2011, 01:21:43 PM
He's a basketball coach. Why wouldn't he be for the stronger basketball/weaker football conference?
Pushing for staying in the Big East inside Louisville makes sense. Trying to tell the commissioner and try to lead the Big East to salvation is something else.
It is just funny to see him going all 'Come on! We need to fight and keep full commitment here. Invite Memphis, invite Temple, heck call Butler and VCU let's make this thing work! And next year right before I tip off against Indiana for our first Big 10 conference game I want to look over at the Big East and be proud.'
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2011, 02:20:55 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2011, 01:21:43 PM
He's a basketball coach. Why wouldn't he be for the stronger basketball/weaker football conference?
Pushing for staying in the Big East inside Louisville makes sense. Trying to tell the commissioner and try to lead the Big East to salvation is something else.
It is just funny to see him going all 'Come on! We need to fight and keep full commitment here. Invite Memphis, invite Temple, heck call Butler and VCU let's make this thing work! And next year right before I tip off against Indiana for our first Big 10 conference game I want to look over at the Big East and be proud.'
Big 10 doesn't want them.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 28, 2011, 03:33:36 PM
Big 10 doesn't want them.
Tim I was making a joke. Lighten up.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 28, 2011, 01:14:35 PM
Oh god no. The last thing I want to see is billy bob homering for the B10.
He'd bring the blowjobs to the BIG. :)
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2011, 11:23:53 AM
West Virginia, a member of the Big East since 1995, will leave the conference after being formally invited Friday to join the Big 12.
:)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 28, 2011, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2011, 11:23:53 AM
West Virginia, a member of the Big East since 1995, will leave the conference after being formally invited Friday to join the Big 12.
:)
+1
This is the dumbest single move in the history of college conferences. May it lead to the death of the BCS.
I can see moving to the SEC. At least the SEC allows their teams to promise scholarships that don't exist, so there is an advantage to joining. But to jump ship to join a conference on the far side of the continent, with no compensating upside? Madness.
Quote from: grumbler on October 28, 2011, 05:41:56 PM
+1
This is the dumbest single move in the history of college conferences. May it lead to the death of the BCS.
I can see moving to the SEC. At least the SEC allows their teams to promise scholarships that don't exist, so there is an advantage to joining. But to jump ship to join a conference on the far side of the continent, with no compensating upside? Madness.
Hahaha okay Tim
Lets just make it clear right now that when the Big-12 finally implodes, the Pac-16 is NOT taking West Virginia.
But you're a western conference and they're a western team. It even says so in their name.
Dude. We could call it something that indicates it stretches across the country. Something snazzy like......Conference-USA. Yeah that would work.
BYU @ TCU is actually fairly entertaining. When they're not shitting themselves and screwing plays up, that is.
Some BYU player is wearing shoes with yellow soles/highlights on the sides and every time he runs by, I think a flag is hitting the ground, dammit.
I'm not sure the BYU QB should keep trying to run over linebackers though. Throwing the ball to a TCU player in the endzone when he's trying to throw it away is probably a bad idea too.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2011, 06:03:55 PM
But you're a western conference and they're a western team. It even says so in their name.
:lol:
Oh wow BYU just totally screwed up a FG attempt. They ran the kicking team out there in this big hurry after burning the whole play clock trying to decide if they were going to try it or not, then the kicker fell down in his rush to get it off.
Quote from: grumbler on October 28, 2011, 08:31:26 PM
Whatever you say, Marti.
:rolleyes:
Really though, I want to apologize to Tim for that. Totally uncalled for.
Quote from: Berkut on October 28, 2011, 06:01:14 PM
Lets just make it clear right now that when the Big-12 finally implodes, the Pac-16 is NOT taking West Virginia.
The PAC-22 most certainly will!
Well BYU was looking like they were going to make a comeback (or at least come within 7-8 with ~10:00 left), they were moving the ball well, etc, but then they did something stupid again and pissed that away with a terrible redzone turnover. The QB just decided to throw it backwards while being sacked.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 28, 2011, 10:10:23 PM
Well BYU was looking like they were going to make a comeback (or at least come within 7-8 with ~10:00 left), they were moving the ball well, etc, but then they did something stupid again and pissed that away with a terrible redzone turnover. The QB just decided to throw it backwards while being sacked.
It sounds like he was taking pointers from David Ash
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2011, 10:14:58 PM
It sounds like he was taking pointers from David Ash
:lol: It's like Rex Grossman's evil twin(s?). "FUCK IT I'M GOING BACKWARDS!"
I was also thinking this game shows just how
bad Gilbert was. Well. You know. This game and everything else.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 28, 2011, 10:17:19 PM
I was also thinking this game shows just how bad Gilbert was. Well. You know. This game and everything else.
It is really shocking watching other teams and then seeing just how horrible and untalented Texas' QBs are. We just have to hope some Freshman can come in and save them next year...or Ash or McCoy suddenly show something we haven't seen before.
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2011, 10:38:17 PM
It is really shocking watching other teams and then seeing just how horrible and untalented Texas' QBs are. We just have to hope some Freshman can come in and save them next year...or Ash or McCoy suddenly show something we haven't seen before.
If they're going to be starting a freshman next year, it'll be that dude from Arizona, Connor Brewer. Pretty sure he's the only QB they have coming in.
He's probably going to have the same problems nearly every other true freshman does when starting though. I really wouldn't mind just giving him a redshirt year and using Ash again.
Hay guys! I'm posting from the Indiana game. lol. Defense not allowed.
Nice amount of Hoosier tail though.
Fuck you Michigan State. You ruin the seasons of the teams in the Big 10 I actually like only to fucking suck against Big Red and Inbred. They better come back and win this deal.
They are the Aggies of the North.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 29, 2011, 11:58:08 AM
Hay guys! I'm posting from the Indiana game. lol. Defense not allowed.
Nice amount of Hoosier tail though.
My God man. Will the final be Northwestern 78 Indiana 40?
Thank you, Nebraska! Michigan needed a lot of help in the B10 race, and Nebraska delivered round one of it.
I think MSU still needs to lose again to avoid the B10 title game, but this was the kind of never-in-the-game beatdown that causes teams like the Spartans to doubt themselves, so it could happen. They have to play Iowa in Ames, and Northwestern at Evanston.
I think I still see the B10 game as a rematch of last week's MSU-Wisky game, but don't think it a slam dunk any more.
Of course, Michigan still has three tough games left, but I think the Nebraska game will be the key one, and it is in Ann Arbor. I don't see them getting all three, though. I'll be happy if they win 2 of 3, so long as OSU is one of the 2.
Quote from: grumbler on October 28, 2011, 05:41:56 PMThis is the dumbest single move in the history of college conferences. May it lead to the death of the BCS.
I can see moving to the SEC. At least the SEC allows their teams to promise scholarships that don't exist, so there is an advantage to joining. But to jump ship to join a conference on the far side of the continent, with no compensating upside? Madness.
I understand why it is all happening, but I hate that we're getting to this point. You have the ACC which was a traditional southern coastal conference that now goes from Boston (and maybe Connecticut, soon) to Pittsburgh down to the very tip of Florida. The SEC is going to range out to Missouri and Texas, the Big XII is essentially C-USA in terms of geographic spread as is the Big East if it survives (they're looking to add Boise, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Navy and UCF I believe.)
I hate the destruction of the traditional conferences, but I'm also at the point now, where if we really are going to end up with the 4 super conferences eventually I might just say fuck it and let some central body divide the country by strict geographic lines into 4 conferences each with 2 divisions and 16 teams total. Then anyone not a top-64 team, have a similar arrangement with 4 more conferences of a lower tier (Troy and UAB have to play somewhere.)
If you're going to basically shit on the memory of traditional College Football might as well do it in a way that makes sense. West Virginia in a conference where its closest foe is almost 900 miles away makes no sense. I'm still not even all that comfortable with Nebraska in the B1G but that pales in comparison. If Texas and OU had gone to the Pac-12 it having "Pac" in its name would be just as ludicrous as the ACC being known as the "Atlantic" Coast Conference.
Quote from: Valmy on October 29, 2011, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 29, 2011, 11:58:08 AM
Hay guys! I'm posting from the Indiana game. lol. Defense not allowed.
Nice amount of Hoosier tail though.
My God man. Will the final be Northwestern 78 Indiana 40?
Close enough. :lol: They pulled Persa and NW kept throwing Indiana on the pinball machine.
What prompted you to head out to the Indiana NW game Boner?
UTSA got their third win today. :) They can actually finish .500.
Dawgs beat Gators. :cool:
Close game for GA versus an unranked team...
When you've won 3 of last 21 you take what you can get.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 29, 2011, 06:54:52 PM
When you've won 3 of last 21 you take what you can get.
Beating Florida is always worth something. Even if Michigan is undefeated against them.
I can't help but think Oklahoma is the best team right now, though I'd love to be proven wrong. Thoughts?
I guess the Horns decided they were going to run the ball against Kansas today. 1:30 left in the half, and they have 40 carries between 7 guys (23 for Malcolm Brown, 102yds, 2TDs). They just went over 300 total yards vs. 10 for the Jayhawks. Time of possession: Texas 23:56, Kansas 5:25 (now :39 sec left)
E: 26-0 at the half. Really fast moving game with all the running.
Quote from: grumbler on October 29, 2011, 07:26:33 PM
I can't help but think Oklahoma is the best team right now, though I'd love to be proven wrong. Thoughts?
I haven't seen them play this year but I would have a hard time putting them over either LSU or Alabama considering their performance against Texas Tech last week. Also their wins over Texas and Florida State don't seem as impressive as they did at the time.
That said I think they are one of the 3 best teams in the country and would like to see them play the SEC winner in the championship game in January.
I think Stanford may be better. They're averaging 48-12 through seven games.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 29, 2011, 07:28:26 PM
I guess the Horns decided they were going to run the ball against Kansas today. 1:30 left in the half, and they have 40 carries between 7 guys (23 for Malcolm Brown, 102yds, 2TDs). They just went over 300 total yards vs. 10 for the Jayhawks. Time of possession: Texas 23:56, Kansas 5:25 (now :39 sec left)
E: 26-0 at the half. Really fast moving game with all the running.
That will have to be the strategy the rest of the way. Even with limited passing plays David Ash is still driving me nuts...that INT in the end zone was a horrible throw.
Quote from: sbr on October 29, 2011, 07:37:14 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 29, 2011, 07:26:33 PM
I can't help but think Oklahoma is the best team right now, though I'd love to be proven wrong. Thoughts?
I haven't seen them play this year but I would have a hard time putting them over either LSU or Alabama considering their performance against Texas Tech last week. Also their wins over Texas and Florida State don't seem as impressive as they did at the time.
That said I think they are one of the 3 best teams in the country and would like to see them play the SEC winner in the championship game in January.
Yeah Oklahoma is very good but they lost to a really mediocre team in Texas Tech. That brain fart will keep them out of the NC game.
Texas was highly ranked just because everybody was losing and they were unbeaten. I was not aware that was an impressive win by OU everybody picked an easy OU win we were just hoping Texas would stay close.
Quote from: Valmy on October 29, 2011, 07:50:00 PM
That will have to be the strategy the rest of the way. Even with limited passing plays David Ash is still driving me nuts...that INT in the end zone was a horrible throw.
Meh. Shit happens. I'm not going to get too fired up over a freshman who is 12/16.
Kansas is down to two total yards now after those first two plays of the half.
By the way Texas Tech is losing to Iowa State 24 - 7 at the half right now.
The Big 12 is a weird conference of everybody knocking each other off right now. Pretty fun.
Quote from: grumbler on October 29, 2011, 02:44:30 PM
I think I still see the B10 game as a rematch of last week's MSU-Wisky game, but don't think it a slam dunk any more.
I'd think it would be the Michigan-Nebraska winner against the Wisconsin-Penn State winner. And I expect that Wisconsin will beat Penn State. No idea who will win the Michigan-Nebraska game.
Quote from: sbrQuote from: grumblerI can't help but think Oklahoma is the best team right now, though I'd love to be proven wrong. Thoughts?
I haven't seen them play this year but I would have a hard time putting them over either LSU or Alabama considering their performance against Texas Tech last week. Also their wins over Texas and Florida State don't seem as impressive as they did at the time.
That said I think they are one of the 3 best teams in the country and would like to see them play the SEC winner in the championship game in January.
Alabama was my preseaon #1, so I'll stick with them until someone proves themselves better by beating them. Granted, that may happen next week, because clearly Les Myles is either the luckiest coach in history or has made a deal with Satan.
Oklahoma State at this point is like LSU and Alabama as far as the BCS title game is concerned--all 3 teams control their own fate. Everybody else, including the other undefeateds and Oklahoma, needs help--I can't see any of them jumping ahead of Oklahoma State if the Cowboys finish undefeated. Well, I suppose that Oklahoma State doesn't totally control their own fate in that there's a possibility of a BCS title rematch between LSU and Alabama, but I doubt that would happen.
Personally, I'd rather see Stanford-Alabama or Boise State-Alabama than Oklahoma State-Alabama, but if the Cowboys win out I'd have a hard time arguing that anyone else is clearly better than them.
Quote from: dps on October 29, 2011, 08:02:01 PM
Personally, I'd rather see Stanford-Alabama or Boise State-Alabama than Oklahoma State-Alabama, but if the Cowboys win out I'd have a hard time arguing that anyone else is clearly better than them.
Well if Stanford goes unbeaten it will be hard to keep them out with Andrew Luck but they are trailing USC right now. Really we are putting the cart way before the horse here as Oklahoma State is not likely to win out, thought I would love to see it.
Stats!
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Hills might have gotten himself some more playing time if the Horns hadn't dumbassed themselves out of two TDs earlier in the game.
Man, that backup USC running back is fucking fast as shit.
We are young we are going to make some mistakes. The offense piling up yards was expected but KU's offense has actually been pretty good so I am simply amazed at what the defense did.
It makes me wonder if the impressive showing against Oklahoma State two weeks ago was not simply them being a little off.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on October 29, 2011, 02:45:51 PM
the Big XII is essentially C-USA in terms of geographic spread as is the Big East if it survives (they're looking to add Boise, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Navy and UCF I believe.)
Well we have one outlier. But at least the Big XII is neither a traditional nor really a regional conference, but rather a combination of two. We always had team traveling hundreds of miles.
But point taken and it is going to get worse.
QuoteI hate the destruction of the traditional conferences, but I'm also at the point now, where if we really are going to end up with the 4 super conferences eventually I might just say fuck it and let some central body divide the country by strict geographic lines into 4 conferences each with 2 divisions and 16 teams total. Then anyone not a top-64 team, have a similar arrangement with 4 more conferences of a lower tier (Troy and UAB have to play somewhere.)
The conferences are locking everybody down into long term contracts and TV deals and so forth. Blowing a system as entrenched as this one now will be almost impossible.
Quote from: grumbler on October 28, 2011, 05:41:56 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 28, 2011, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2011, 11:23:53 AM
West Virginia, a member of the Big East since 1995, will leave the conference after being formally invited Friday to join the Big 12.
:)
+1
This is the dumbest single move in the history of college conferences. May it lead to the death of the BCS.
I can see moving to the SEC. At least the SEC allows their teams to promise scholarships that don't exist, so there is an advantage to joining. But to jump ship to join a conference on the far side of the continent, with no compensating upside? Madness.
Well our conference cannot survive without them. So either they are jumping ship to play people on the otherside of the continent or we are. Better them than us. Besides didn't Colorado do something almost identical last year anyway? I mean it is five hundred miles to Salt Lake City their nearest conference rival. Why is this so singularly stupid and that isn't? At least WV is unlikely to go 1-11 like Colorado.
Anyway here is where Luck earns his Heisman. Tie score against USC. Closing moments in the fourth. Here we go.
Pick six. Ooops. At least Luck took them back to tie it.
While I'm happy about how it turned out, because fuck USC, I am unsure how a 10 yard penalty from the 20 ends up with the ball on the 22. :huh:
Edit: Big plays all over the place in these OTs.
Helluva way to end it.
Stanford wins it!
Still tough matchups ahead for Stanford but that was huge.
So, Peter, who just knocked off an undefeated number 6?
Quote from: ulmont on October 29, 2011, 11:42:16 PM
So, Peter, who just knocked off an undefeated number 6?
The rambling wrecks from Georgia Tech who are helluva engineers?
How about Wisconsin losing consecutive games on Hail Marys?
:lol: Arizona just snagged an awesome 91 yard pick 6 off a Washington WR bobble. The DB was absolutely finished at about the 15-20, and was moving at somewhere between a jog and a fast walk, but there weren't any Washington players there to catch him.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 29, 2011, 11:48:55 PM
:lol: Arizona just snagged an awesome 91 yard pick 6 off a Washington WR bobble. The DB was absolutely finished at about the 15-20, and was moving at somewhere between a jog and a fast walk, but there weren't any Washington players there to catch him.
Hey I am watching that game to! Yeah that was pretty hilarious. Fighting Berkuts season on the line here. If they can win it they have COlorado, Utah, and Louisiana-Lafayette to beat to finish bowl eligible.
Quote from: Valmy on October 30, 2011, 12:19:30 AM
Hey I am watching that game to! Yeah that was pretty hilarious. Fighting Berkuts season on the line here. If they can win it they have COlorado, Utah, and Louisiana-Lafayette to beat to finish bowl eligible.
Hey, THE MIGHTY RAGIN' CAJUNS are bowl eligible. That was a feeble 3 & out by Arizona after the INT. Nice punt though, I guess.
Edit: Huh. Not many kids from College Station who went to Blinn that are on BCS teams not called Texas A&M. Or maybe there are. I don't know. Just sort of stood out to me.
This guy Polk, #1 for Washington, is fucking awesome. E: And he's added two more TDs since I typed that. :blink:
Quote from: ulmont on October 29, 2011, 11:42:16 PM
So, Peter, who just knocked off an undefeated number 6?
Does all this really improve the experience for you? :hmm:
Quote from: Valmy on October 29, 2011, 11:48:52 PM
How about Wisconsin losing consecutive games on Hail Marys?
:)
Shades of Craig Krenzel and the Holy Buckeye.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 30, 2011, 05:26:57 AM
Quote from: ulmont on October 29, 2011, 11:42:16 PM
So, Peter, who just knocked off an undefeated number 6?
Does all this really improve the experience for you? :hmm:
Yes. :contract:
Wyoming walked into a nearly empty Qualcomm stadium and totally demolished the San Diego State Aztecs 30-27.
Of course, it was 30-13 at the half, but a mediocre team like the Cowboys only gets one solid half per game. Now the Pokes are 5-2 (though only 4 games count for a bowl), and Wyoming needs to beat at least New Mexico and Colorado State to go to some prestigious bowl like the "Phoenix Feel Good Bowl" on December 23rd.
Quote from: ulmont on October 30, 2011, 10:00:01 AM
Yes. :contract:
I must say, that win against Kansas is looking more impressive every week. :P
Quote from: dps on October 29, 2011, 08:02:01 PM
I'd think it would be the Michigan-Nebraska winner against the Wisconsin-Penn State winner. And I expect that Wisconsin will beat Penn State. No idea who will win the Michigan-Nebraska game.
I don't see Penn State winning again this season. And I wouldn't count OSU out, either. If they win out, they have the tiebreaker against the other two-loss teams in the division.
Luckily, there is no chance that we will have that ridiculous OSU-Michigan title game that the absurd Leaders and Legends setup was designed to produce.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on October 29, 2011, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 28, 2011, 05:41:56 PMThis is the dumbest single move in the history of college conferences. May it lead to the death of the BCS.
I can see moving to the SEC. At least the SEC allows their teams to promise scholarships that don't exist, so there is an advantage to joining. But to jump ship to join a conference on the far side of the continent, with no compensating upside? Madness.
I understand why it is all happening, but I hate that we're getting to this point. You have the ACC which was a traditional southern coastal conference that now goes from Boston (and maybe Connecticut, soon) to Pittsburgh down to the very tip of Florida. The SEC is going to range out to Missouri and Texas, the Big XII is essentially C-USA in terms of geographic spread as is the Big East if it survives (they're looking to add Boise, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Navy and UCF I believe.)
I hate the destruction of the traditional conferences, but I'm also at the point now, where if we really are going to end up with the 4 super conferences eventually I might just say fuck it and let some central body divide the country by strict geographic lines into 4 conferences each with 2 divisions and 16 teams total. Then anyone not a top-64 team, have a similar arrangement with 4 more conferences of a lower tier (Troy and UAB have to play somewhere.)
If you're going to basically shit on the memory of traditional College Football might as well do it in a way that makes sense. West Virginia in a conference where its closest foe is almost 900 miles away makes no sense. I'm still not even all that comfortable with Nebraska in the B1G but that pales in comparison. If Texas and OU had gone to the Pac-12 it having "Pac" in its name would be just as ludicrous as the ACC being known as the "Atlantic" Coast Conference.
Something like this would have made more sense I think geographically while still making financial sense for the winners.
Let me sum up the state of college football for you pessimists. This week opened with the university of miami of florida losing to an inferior geek school populated by douche bags. Seriously, has anyone here ever met someone from the university of virginia who wasnt a complete seeping douche bag? Sure we have all heard stories that go " well i had this neighbor once whose nephew went to high school with this chick who dated a guy whose brother is a uva grad and the brother was an alright guy" . But ive yet to meet the guy who actually knew someone from uva that was anything other than a complete douche bag.
Florida choked away a 14 point lead to lose to georgia.
Finally fsu shut out an acc chump.
All is once again right in the college football world.
If we applied this to presidential politics we can expect a liberal candidate from massachusetts to get creamed in the national election. This is why the republican primary voters must avaoid mitt.
I worked once with a dude from UVA who was pretty cool.
Quote from: Rasputin on October 30, 2011, 02:01:08 PM
Let me sum up the state of college football for you pessimists. This week opened with the university of miami of florida losing to an inferior geek school populated by douche bags. Seriously, has anyone here ever met someone from the university of virginia who wasnt a complete seeping douche bag? Sure we have all heard stories that go " well i had this neighbor once whose nephew went to high school with this chick who dated a guy whose brother is a uva grad and the brother was an alright guy" . But ive yet to meet the guy who actually knew someone from uva that was anything other than a complete douche bag.
Florida choked away a 14 point lead to lose to georgia.
Finally fsu shut out an acc chump.
All is once again right in the college football world.
If we applied this to presidential politics we can expect a liberal candidate from massachusetts to get creamed in the national election. This is why the republican primary voters must avaoid mitt.
I agree that any weekend in which two of the scumbag Florida teams lose is good, the fact is that it isn't nearly as good as a weekend when all three lose. Still, if one of them has to win, it is best that it is the insignificant one. When was the last time anyone gave a rat's ass about FSU winning?
Luck needs to shave off that beard. He looks like either a southern meth head or a rapist.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 30, 2011, 04:08:14 PM
Luck needs to shave off that beard. He looks like either a southern meth head or a rapist.
Why can't he be both? Don't limit the man.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 30, 2011, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 30, 2011, 04:08:14 PM
Luck needs to shave off that beard. He looks like either a southern meth head or a rapist.
Why can't he be both? Don't limit the man.
He's in Cali--being both would probably help him fit right in.
He's a college kid, I like the beard. It better be gone by draft day though.
He reminds me a little of that dorky looking actor who was in The Sorcerer's Apprentice.
BCS standings
LSU
Alabama
Oklahoma State
Stanford
Boise State
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Oregon
South Carolina
Nebraska
Uggh, Arizona loses another bizarro game to the Huskies.
Normally I would be all "Hey, WTF, who cares, basketball season is coming up!" but Arizona just lost an exhibition game to a D2 school. At home.
I wouldve thought that the loss to appalachian state wouldve made you forget about the embarassing loss um suffered at the hands of fsu in 91. I will concede that most um fans are decent folk but we both know its more fun to drink with. Spartans.
Quote from: grumbler on October 30, 2011, 02:10:48 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on October 30, 2011, 02:01:08 PM
Let me sum up the state of college football for you pessimists. This week opened with the university of miami of florida losing to an inferior geek school populated by douche bags. Seriously, has anyone here ever met someone from the university of virginia who wasnt a complete seeping douche bag? Sure we have all heard stories that go " well i had this neighbor once whose nephew went to high school with this chick who dated a guy whose brother is a uva grad and the brother was an alright guy" . But ive yet to meet the guy who actually knew someone from uva that was anything other than a complete douche bag.
Florida choked away a 14 point lead to lose to georgia.
Finally fsu shut out an acc chump.
All is once again right in the college football world.
If we applied this to presidential politics we can expect a liberal candidate from massachusetts to get creamed in the national election. This is why the republican primary voters must avaoid mitt.
I agree that any weekend in which two of the scumbag Florida teams lose is good, the fact is that it isn't nearly as good as a weekend when all three lose. Still, if one of them has to win, it is best that it is the insignificant one. When was the last time anyone gave a rat's ass about FSU winning?
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 30, 2011, 04:08:14 PM
Luck needs to shave off that beard. He looks like either a southern meth head or a rapist.
I think he looks more like a war criminal from Azerbaijan or so.
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Quote from: Syt on October 31, 2011, 03:36:06 AM
I think he looks more like a war criminal from Azerbaijan or so.
:lol: No kidding. I think you hit the nail on the head.
Actually, the combination of the beard and the expression on his face in that photo make it look like he's converted to Islam and is going on jihad against the West.
I assume that the Stanford football team travels on charter flights. Hope so anyhow, 'cause they might not let him on commercial flights looking like that.
Well, he sure wouldn't look out of place with some certain parts of the Chechen demographic in Vienna.
so it's game day in the president's box...parking : check
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early score... check
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making the daughter drive home (nap time for daddy)
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every day should be saturday
Poor girl has your nose. :(
I wish I could get my goddaughter to chauffeur me around.
Oh wait, I WANT TO LIVE.
:P
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 01, 2011, 03:15:58 PM
I wish I could get my goddaughter to chauffeur me around.
Oh wait, I WANT TO LIVE.
:P
my bravery was bolstered by the fact that she was driving a tank
She doesn't look very relaxed in that photo.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 01, 2011, 03:48:50 PM
She doesn't look very relaxed in that photo.
would you be if you were 17 and tasked with driving your father's range rover while he watched?
Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2011, 08:42:59 AM
Her 18th birthday present is a nose job? :huh:
Oh Languish, how I love you - first chance, go for the nutshot.
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Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2011, 08:42:59 AM
Her 18th birthday present is a nose job? :huh:
Oh Languish, how I love you - first chance, go for the nutshot.
You should have seen what I first wrote. :ph34r:
Idiots... that's the nose of The Tribe. You know... God's chosen peeps? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Caliga on November 02, 2011, 09:19:29 AM
Idiots... that's the nose of The Tribe. You know... God's chosen peeps? :rolleyes:
I'll leave the anti-semitic jokes for others to make. :goodboy:
Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2011, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: PDH on November 02, 2011, 08:50:58 AM
Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2011, 08:42:59 AM
Her 18th birthday present is a nose job? :huh:
Oh Languish, how I love you - first chance, go for the nutshot.
You should have seen what I first wrote. :ph34r:
:yeah: those who live in glass houses...
There were three possibilities:
1. Insults
2. Lascivious remarks
3. Both
I think remarkable restraint was shown.
Quote from: frunk on November 02, 2011, 11:28:18 AM
There were three possibilities:
1. Insults
2. Lascivious remarks
3. Both
I think remarkable restraint was shown.
Now that's a word that just doesn't get used often enough.
Any opinions on the Big Game(tm) this weekend?
I am thinking they keep it close for the first half....but then TCU pulls away. Sorry PDH.
QuoteAny opinions on the Big Game(tm) this weekend?
Ohio State will diddle Indiana repeatedly.
Quote from: Valmy on November 04, 2011, 03:55:36 PM
Any opinions on the Big Game(tm) this weekend?
I am thinking they keep it close for the first half....but then TCU pulls away. Sorry PDH.
:)
Wyoming played over their heads last weekend - to expect them to upset TCU this week is not likely.
Still, 5-2 is better than the 3-4 I expected at this time.
Quote from: Valmy on November 04, 2011, 03:55:36 PM
Any opinions on the Big Game(tm) this weekend?
I think LSU will win.
Color guy on the Iowa Mich game said in the last two years the three schools that have put the most players on NFL rosters are: USC, Florida, and Iowa. That's sort of weird.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 04, 2011, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 04, 2011, 03:55:36 PM
Any opinions on the Big Game(tm) this weekend?
I think LSU will win.
For the record I totally agree. Bama: Tiger bait.
I think Alamba will win.
Saban will crush Les Miles with his evil powers.
Where are they playing The Big One?
Tuscaloosa
Yeah go Alamba. :P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 05, 2011, 02:29:14 PM
Yeah go Alamba. :P
If the Alamba doesn't work, go with the Blamba.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 04, 2011, 03:58:06 PM
QuoteAny opinions on the Big Game(tm) this weekend?
Ohio State will diddle Indiana repeatedly.
Only a mild diddlling. Fun in person however. Made the mistake of turn mybinoculars on the band chicks. yuk.
I had the Oregon State Stanford game on the radio when I was on my way to the dump earlier and heard a crazy stat, I haven't really looked around to verify it. According to the Beaver announcer, opponents have hit only 4/14 field goals against Stanford this year, including one blocked against the Beavers today.
The blackshirts done fucked up.
I was expecting a little more offensive firepower in The Big Game.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 05, 2011, 08:17:19 PM
I was expecting a little more offensive firepower in The Big Game.
Funny, I expected a defensive struggle. Wouldn't be surprised if it ended 6-3, though 10-3 or 13-10 is probably more likely.
:lmfao: Way to take advantage of your return to the field Jarret.
Oregon QB Derron Thomas just did the dumbest thing I have ever seen a QB do. He tried to throw the ball and the ball slipped out of his hand as he wound up and the Huskies fell on it.
:hmm: The K-State - Okie State game is highly entertaining. The Wildcats just took a one point lead with like 6:00 left.
Edit: Oooof. And now the Pokes just took the lead back real quick, then got the 2pt conversion. Aaaaannd KState runs the kickoff back to the OSU 20.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 05, 2011, 02:05:26 PM
I think Alamba will win.
Saban will crush Les Miles with his evil powers.
Tainted? :hmm:
Geaux Tigers! And...that's the real national championship game this year. You won't see two better teams play each other the rest of the year.
Quote from: ulmont on November 05, 2011, 10:42:32 PM
Geaux Tigers! And...that's the real national championship game this year. You won't see two better teams play each other the rest of the year.
You would think one of the two best teams, you know since they're playing in the "real" national championship, would be able to kick a field goal when they need to.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 05, 2011, 10:46:58 PM
You would think one of the two best teams, you know since they're playing in the "real" national championship, would be able to kick a field goal when they need to.
And that team was LSU! :D
Quote from: ulmont on November 05, 2011, 10:49:22 PM
And that team was LSU! :D
Thank goodness they were playing the other NC team that can't kick field goals. They would have been down by an insurmountable 6 points.
This is the first time I've seen either team play. My impression was both offenses were very average, but I'm willing to allow for the fact that they working against two very good defenses, and reevaluate the next time I see them play.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 05, 2011, 10:58:36 PM
This is the first time I've seen either team play. My impression was both offenses were very average, but I'm willing to allow for the fact that they working against two very good defenses, and reevaluate the next time I see them play.
Actually, the Alabama-Tennessee game was rather interesting as well. The game was 6-6 at the half...and then Alabama came out and blew the doors off the second half to win 37-6. Both of those guys are normally great, although I'll agree Alabama should have won that game 12-3.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=201110220073
I would like to say I appreciated the CBS director's fascination with the Alabama dancing girl section of the bleachers.
Oh yes, though my party agreed it was just the first two rows. ( The more sparkly section.)
Quote from: ulmont on November 05, 2011, 10:42:32 PM
Geaux Tigers! And...that's the real national championship game this year. You won't see two better teams play each other the rest of the year.
I hope to see better special teams though...oh wait better kickers are booting field goals all over America every friday night.
Seriously having a huge game like that come down to one school having a joke for special teams? Saban should be ashamed of himself rolling that loser out there to kick. That was a bit of a letdown.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 05, 2011, 11:07:22 PM
I would like to say I appreciated the CBS director's fascination with the Alabama dancing girl section of the bleachers.
Ah yeah that was pretty nice. I also liked all the crying frat boys after LSU won. Screw you Kappa Alphas.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 05, 2011, 10:58:36 PM
This is the first time I've seen either team play. My impression was both offenses were very average, but I'm willing to allow for the fact that they working against two very good defenses, and reevaluate the next time I see them play.
They were both averaging 39 points per game before this game.
Hey MBM how did you enjoy the Red Raider pancake breakfast curtousy of the Texas O-Line? Bringing the pain to the Columbia Kittens next week. Same bat time, same bat channel.
Quote from: Valmy on November 06, 2011, 12:12:53 AM
Hey MBM how did you enjoy the Red Raider pancake breakfast curtousy of the Texas O-Line? Bringing the pain to the Columbia Kittens next week. Same bat time, same bat channel.
Hell yeah man, that was pretty awesome. Greg Davis would have thrown the ball 80 times.
Edit: Hey I see Virginia won and is now 6-3. It's been a while since they've been bowl eligible, hasn't it?
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 05, 2011, 11:07:22 PM
I would like to say I appreciated the CBS director's fascination with the Alabama dancing girl section of the bleachers.
Ah yeah that was pretty nice. I also liked all the crying frat boys after LSU won. Screw you Kappa Alphas.
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GO LSU!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 05, 2011, 10:58:36 PM
This is the first time I've seen either team play. My impression was both offenses were very average, but I'm willing to allow for the fact that they working against two very good defenses, and reevaluate the next time I see them play.
I've been watching Lee and Jefferson struggle for years. This year Lee's had better stats than before, but didn't look good this game.
Anyone know the official distance of the one insane punt by the Army punter in the... 4th quarter? One of the longest I've ever seen with the gift of a terrible miss by the Air Force return man and an amazing bounce after. I'm pretty sure Army was inside or close to their 20 and it went out at maybe the Airforce 2? Regardless, insane kick with awful defense following it up, making it all for naught.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on November 06, 2011, 03:05:04 AM
Anyone know the official distance of the one insane punt by the Army punter in the... 4th quarter? One of the longest I've ever seen with the gift of a terrible miss by the Air Force return man and an amazing bounce after. I'm pretty sure Army was inside or close to their 20 and it went out at maybe the Airforce 2? Regardless, insane kick with awful defense following it up, making it all for naught.
Box score says the Army punter had a long of 72. A good day for punters to really bomb it, it seems. There was one by the LSU's tonight that was just about the same (73), and I saw Oregon State's really get a long one too (65).
It's official, Missouri to the SEC
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AlCcunnuLDMJ1p.o5wk_3Vs5nYcB?slug=ap-missouri-sec
Quote from: Alcibiades on November 05, 2011, 11:18:34 PM
Oh yes, though my party agreed it was just the first two rows. ( The more sparkly section.)
I thought there was some talent in the back rows as well (the spandex section).
Missouri to the SEC opens the door for Wyoming to go to the Big 12!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 06, 2011, 11:30:25 AM
It's official, Missouri to the SEC
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AlCcunnuLDMJ1p.o5wk_3Vs5nYcB?slug=ap-missouri-sec
Well they cannot beat Baylor maybe they can find somebody in the SEC they can defeat. Oh wait they did: Texas A&M last week.
Quote from: PDH on November 06, 2011, 12:47:12 PM
Missouri to the SEC opens the door for Wyoming to go to the Big 12!
Sorry we already sorta replaced them with West Virginia.
Get fucked Mizzou.
Quote from: Valmy on November 06, 2011, 07:38:03 PM
Well they cannot beat Baylor maybe they can find somebody in the SEC they can defeat. Oh wait they did: Texas A&M last week.
Maybe now Vandy will be able to get to bowl games more than once every 50 years.
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Quote from: Valmy on November 06, 2011, 07:38:03 PM
Well they cannot beat Baylor maybe they can find somebody in the SEC they can defeat. Oh wait they did: Texas A&M last week.
Maybe now Vandy will be able to get to bowl games more than once every 50 years.
Yep. Vandy will no longer be the worst team in the SEC. Though I guess with the season Ole Miss is having they are not this year either.
Going to the SEC and giving up their prime Texas recruiting grounds was suicide enough...but going to the SEC East? They really think Georgia and Florida kids are going to want to play in Missouri?
No one cares that Penn State was a rape camp. <_<
Here's the BCS Standings
1. LSU
2. Oklahoma State
3. Alabama
4. Stanford
5. Boise State
6. Oklahoma
7. Oregon
8. Arkansas
9. Clemson
10. Virginia Tech
Alabama's ranking is ridiculous.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 06, 2011, 08:31:40 PM
Alabama's ranking is ridiculous.
Eh, they're still probably the second best team in the country. :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 06, 2011, 09:19:42 PM
Eh, they're still probably the second best team in the country. :hmm:
Meh. They lost. They can fuck off to where the other BCS teams with 1 L are hanging out. Maybe practice some kicking while they're there.
It's not about being objectively "better". It's about winning. The "best" team in the country is almost never the winner of the National Championship.
You run the same season all over again, and there would almost always be wildly different results.
Well if I was voting I'd definitely put Stanford ahead of them. But Boise St and Houston don't deserve auto-bumping with their schedules. So I'd have Alabama at #4. Even so, I still think they're better than OK St and Stanford.
Decent game Penn St Nebraska.
Who y'all rooting for?
If it wasn't obvious that the Texas QBs aren't good enough to carry the O when the top RBs are out before this game......well it's obvious now. Case McCoy has the weakest baby arm I've ever seen. Ash seems to be about as accurate a passer as....."a baby" works here too.
Combine Ash's arm strength and mobility with the accuracy Case has displayed, and you would still probably only have a 4* type recruit though. :lol:
Almost Holy Buckeye II against Purdue. If only the PAT hadn't been blocked.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 12, 2011, 03:26:02 PM
Almost Holy Buckeye II against Purdue. If only the PAT hadn't been blocked.
And that ends Ohio State's slim chance to win the division.
<_<
Wyoming is playing at Air Force - the wind in Colorado Springs is gusting to 60 miles per hour...4th quarter, Wyoming is up 18-17...
Wyoming wins 25-17. The line was 16 I think, and much like against San Diego State, Wyoming scrapped out a win.
The Pokes are 6-3, though two of those wins were against the scrub leagues. Still, next week is a home game against New Mexico. It is kinda funny to cheer for a winning team.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 06, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
But Boise St and Houston don't deserve auto-bumping with their schedules. So I'd have Alabama at #4. Even so, I still think they're better than OK St and Stanford.
Boise doesn't need "auto-bumping". What is Houston ranked, don't see them on list?
Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2011, 05:53:51 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 06, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
But Boise St and Houston don't deserve auto-bumping with their schedules. So I'd have Alabama at #4. Even so, I still think they're better than OK St and Stanford.
Boise doesn't need "auto-bumping". What is Houston ranked, don't see them on list?
11th
Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2011, 05:53:51 PM
Boise doesn't need "auto-bumping".
To be ranked ahead of Alabama they do. Extra credit for having a perfect schedule, not a serious expectation that they'd win the majority of head-to-head games.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 12, 2011, 06:06:08 PM
Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2011, 05:53:51 PM
Boise doesn't need "auto-bumping".
To be ranked ahead of Alabama they do. Extra credit for having a perfect schedule, not a serious expectation that they'd win the majority of head-to-head games.
They can't beat Alabama? Consistency counts for something.
Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2011, 06:36:22 PM
They can't beat Alabama? Consistency counts for something.
Alabama has not allowed more than 14 points in a game. That's pretty consistent.
Jebus. That freshman RB for the Ducks is really. Fucking. Fast.
And the rout is on.
That was a pretty good game by the Ducks. I wasn't too sure who I thought was going to win but I didn't expect a really close game either way; I figured one of the teams would pull away in the second half. I didn't expect Stanford to turn the ball over 4 times, which really was the difference.
I thought Luck played decent but was killed by his receivers dropping passes; the pick 6 by Oregon should have been caught by the Stanford receiver. The Oregon offense was pretty good but not great, they were helped out by good field position and turnovers quite a bit. The Duck defense was phenomenal, about as good as I have seen an Oregon D play in a long time; stopped the run making Stanford one dimensional, then they were able to pressure Luck and cover his receivers, who really aren't all that good (especially with the injuries). I was also surprised by how bad the field conditions were and how they affected the home team much more than Oregon.
Very happy with the win. Oregon should pass Boise and Stanford for sure, maybe Oklahoma but I couldn't complain if they didn't.
Mighty Fighting Ducks. :worthy:
Not terribly surprised by the outcome of the Stanford-Oregon game. I was rooting for the Tree of course, but Oregon is a very, very good football team.
What pisses me off is that it is just indicative, IMO, of how freaking good the SEC is though.
And Arizona getting punked by Colorado. Just...wow. No, actually it isn't even that surprising.
Imagine how good Stanford would be with Arizona's receivers though...
Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2011, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 12, 2011, 06:06:08 PM
Quote from: citizen k on November 12, 2011, 05:53:51 PM
Boise doesn't need "auto-bumping".
To be ranked ahead of Alabama they do. Extra credit for having a perfect schedule, not a serious expectation that they'd win the majority of head-to-head games.
They can't beat Alabama? Consistency counts for something.
They consistently miss make-able field goals and shit the bed against inferior opponents.
The joy of being a Wyoming fan. UW is now 6-3, one more game to be bowl eligable, tied for 2nd place in the conference, having their best conference season in a decade...and suddenly all the fans are worried that the coach is leaving, Wyo will get screwed out of a bowl game or other crap.
Oh well, it goes with the territory.
Quote from: PDH on November 14, 2011, 10:35:22 AM
The joy of being a Wyoming fan. UW is now 6-3, one more game to be bowl eligable, tied for 2nd place in the conference, having their best conference season in a decade...and suddenly all the fans are worried that the coach is leaving, Wyo will get screwed out of a bowl game or other crap.
Oh well, it goes with the territory.
6 games is bowl elible assuming fbs opponents
Quote from: Rasputin on November 14, 2011, 10:46:21 AM
6 games is bowl elible assuming fbs opponents
One of their wins is against a Div II opponent I believe. But I do not think it will matter. I know Wyoming cannot take opponents for granted but New Mexico is remarkable in its ineptitude.
Quote from: Valmy on November 14, 2011, 10:49:50 AMOne of their wins is against a Div II opponent I believe. But I do not think it will matter. I know Wyoming cannot take opponents for granted but New Mexico is remarkable in its ineptitude.
FCS. Weber State in week 1, Texas State in week 2.
Yep, with BYU and Utah leaving last year there were big holes to fill in the schedule - 2 fcs teams in the first two weeks actually helped the team and the true freshman QB (who seems destined to be the Freshman of the year in the MWC).
Being more than 3 TDs favorite against ANYONE is scary for Wyoming...but Valmy is right, New Mexico is very, very bad.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 14, 2011, 10:51:06 AM
FCS. Weber State in week 1, Texas State in week 2.
Ah right only one FCS opponent can count for Bowl Eligibility I believe.
Still, 6-3 with one more win to get eligibility is way better than 2-7 like this time last year...
Quote from: Valmy on November 14, 2011, 11:00:42 AM
Ah right only one FCS opponent can count for Bowl Eligibility I believe.
Yeah.
QuoteStill, 6-3 with one more win to get eligibility is way better than 2-7 like this time last year...
What are the MWC bowls anyway? Boise might still get into a BCS bowl, assuming they don't lose again, which would open up a slot for Wyoming. Off the top of my head, I recall Las Vegas, Independence, Poinsettia, Armed Forces, New Mexico.....anything else?
Las Vegas, New Mexico, Poinsettia, Independance - those are the tie ins I think.
Quote from: PDH on November 14, 2011, 11:39:49 AM
Las Vegas, New Mexico, Poinsettia, Independance - those are the tie ins I think.
Most of the major conferences are not going to fill theirs this season. Everybody who qualifies will be playing someplace.
Quote from: PDH on November 14, 2011, 11:39:49 AM
Las Vegas, New Mexico, Poinsettia, Independance - those are the tie ins I think.
Oh no Armed Forces Bowl? I figured with Air Force there, they'd go for MWC as one of their conferences, with Army and Navy as "OR" options.
I don't think Armed Forces is auto-tie in. Still, Wyoming and Bowl Games does not go together so I might be confused.
Hey New Mexico hired Bob Davie as head coach. Now someone needs to hire Craig James. Also Joe Tessitore. And Pam Ward and all the other shitheads I can't think of right now. Maybe they can all go make up the coaching staff at New Mexico.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16140644/new-mexico-hires-exnd-coach-davie
Good God...how is that a smart hire? Ok, he can coach defense, but is he electric enough to bring in good players to a program that down? Trust me on this one, when a program wins just a couple of games in 3 seasons, it takes a LOT to turn it around. Wyoming is still recovering from the early 2000s...
Quotebut is he electric enough
I'm sure they have a light socket he can stick his finger into there.
He went for the salsa, he stayed for the mediocre football.
Quote from: PDH on November 16, 2011, 07:40:49 PM
He went for the salsa, he stayed for the mediocre football.
Mediocre would be a huge improvement for New Mexico.
They'll probably be happy if Davie just refrains from assaulting his assistants.
The local sports talk radio show mentioned the hiring of Davie, then started talking about the worst 1-A football job in the country. Wyoming made the Top 5 but definitely isn't #1.
:) Wyoming has been bad for a while, but not THAT bad. As recently as the 2000s Wyoming has been in the top 25.
We are just a little state, often overlooked, and that is part of it. I like to play up Wyoming's awfulness as a football team, but in reality the team has won conference championships, gone to (and won some) bowl games, and finished in the top 25 a number of times. Wyoming is just not that good consistently, like many other smaller D-1 schools.
Of course, Laramie is NOT a garden spot...that might have something to do with it. Coaching in a town of 30k people, high up and a bit cold for 5 months of the year (and somewhat cold another 2 months...) might be the reason...
What do you guys thing the worst job in 1A is? Eastern Michigan? Memphis? Vandy? Utah State?
Colorado State.
I'd have to go with EMU. Ypsilanti sucks, there is no fan support that I am aware of, and the team itself generally sucks.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 18, 2011, 09:28:01 PM
I'd have to go with EMU. Ypsilanti sucks, there is no fan support that I am aware of, and the team itself generally sucks.
I don't know the details, but I've read that the institutional support for the football program isn't really even up to 1AA standards, that it's more on the level you expect at a Division II school, but that the Michigan legislature insists that they stay in 1A. If that's true, it probably is the worst job in 1A
Quote from: dps on November 18, 2011, 09:47:45 PM
I don't know the details, but I've read that the institutional support for the football program isn't really even up to 1AA standards, that it's more on the level you expect at a Division II school, but that the Michigan legislature insists that they stay in 1A. If that's true, it probably is the worst job in 1A
I've heard stuff about them being underfunded and all that, mostly from my wife, but nothing specific to the level it would be more normal for. I do know they are one of those that would probably be better off dropping down a level.
Hey they're bowl eligible this year though, at least. Maybe they'll get in one and shock some poor slob team that doesn't want to be on the same field as the famed Eagles.
e: Well they've got 6 wins. I didn't look at who they've beaten though, so maybe not. E2: Nevermind, they need one more. They've got Ws over Howard and Alabama State.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 18, 2011, 10:07:39 PM
Maybe they'll get in one and shock some poor slob team that doesn't want to be on the same field as the famed Eagles.
Shhhh! That is Wyoming's strategy to win bowl games...well, replace Eagles with Cowboys.
Yesssssssssssss
ISU with the big win
Now if only LSU loses to Arkansas or Georgia there will be complete chaos. :menace:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 18, 2011, 11:52:12 PM
Yesssssssssssss
ISU with the big win
Everybody is getting laid tonight in Ames.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 18, 2011, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: dps on November 18, 2011, 09:47:45 PM
I don't know the details, but I've read that the institutional support for the football program isn't really even up to 1AA standards, that it's more on the level you expect at a Division II school, but that the Michigan legislature insists that they stay in 1A. If that's true, it probably is the worst job in 1A
I've heard stuff about them being underfunded and all that, mostly from my wife, but nothing specific to the level it would be more normal for. I do know they are one of those that would probably be better off dropping down a level.
They really are underfunded and have poor football facilities, and are located just a dozen miles form a tam that is far better-known and far more fun to watch, but they are in an all-sports conference, and so the school isn't going to drop a level over football alone. It isn't a matter of the state legislature.
Having said that, coach English there (former UM DC and a great coach, even if he didn't have his defenses ready until the third game of every season) has done a good job and the team's mojo has turned in a positive direction. Good for him, but bad for the school, because now he will be hired away.
I don't know if it is the worst job in Div-IA, but if it isn't, the actually winning team must
really suck, 'cause the EMU job sucks.
Corso dropped the F-Bomb during the headgear segment. :)
Michigan routs Nebraska to start their half of The Week Before The Game. M's scoring defense was 110th in the country last year. The same guys are 5th now.
Ed, looking to see your Bucknuts do the same to Penn State. I don't think the Buckeyes can do enough to make me think they stand a chance next week, but I always want The Game to mean as much as possible.
Quote from: grumbler on November 19, 2011, 03:40:43 PM
Michigan routs Nebraska to start their half of The Week Before The Game. M's scoring defense was 110th in the country last year. The same guys are 5th now.
Ed, looking to see your Bucknuts do the same to Penn State. I don't think the Buckeyes can do enough to make me think they stand a chance next week, but I always want The Game to mean as much as possible.
You might be disappointed. Between a freshman QB, mostly young wideouts and injuries to the defense, you may not get a good game this year.
Aaaaand Wyoming beats one of the worst teams in the nation, New Mexico, to get their 7th win and bowl eligability. Final score: 31-10, true freshman QB Brett Smith rushes for 140 yards, throws for 212. All in all, a fun game on a cold and windy day here in Laramie.
God, there is some tight tail at this game. I should wander over to the student section.
MOTHERFUCKER FUMBLES
Quote from: PDH on November 19, 2011, 05:24:25 PM
Aaaaand Wyoming beats one of the worst teams in the nation, New Mexico, to get their 7th win and bowl eligability. Final score: 31-10, true freshman QB Brett Smith rushes for 140 yards, throws for 212. All in all, a fun game on a cold and windy day here in Laramie.
'grats. I kinda know how much fun it can be to have a freshman QB who just goes nuts once in a while. With guys like that, every play could be a disaster or a triumph.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2011, 05:23:11 PM
You might be disappointed. Between a freshman QB, mostly young wideouts and injuries to the defense, you may not get a good game this year.
I hadn't heard about injuries. Is that why the D that held a good MSU offense to 10 let the wretched PSU offense score 20?
Pity. Hope for some cures before The Game.
Also hope Wisky knocks off PSU next week. If its a PSU-MSU championship game, it will stink.
Quote from: grumbler on November 19, 2011, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2011, 05:23:11 PM
You might be disappointed. Between a freshman QB, mostly young wideouts and injuries to the defense, you may not get a good game this year.
I hadn't heard about injuries. Is that why the D that held a good MSU offense to 10 let the wretched PSU offense score 20?
Pity. Hope for some cures before The Game.
Also hope Wisky knocks off PSU next week. If its a PSU-MSU championship game, it will stink.
I can really tell a dropoff with Sweat injured. Shazier smashes people but looks like he needs another year to be fully ready.
Wow USC is jumping all over Oregon right now.
Looks like #s 2, 4 and 7 will have gone down by the end of the day, and 5 isn't out of the woods yet. :wacko:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 19, 2011, 10:36:18 PM
Looks like #s 2, 4 and 7 will have gone down by the end of the day, and 5 isn't out of the woods yet. :wacko:
Well there's still a lot of time in the Oregon - USC game.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 19, 2011, 10:37:37 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 19, 2011, 10:36:18 PM
Looks like #s 2, 4 and 7 will have gone down by the end of the day, and 5 isn't out of the woods yet. :wacko:
Well there's still a lot of time in the Oregon - USC game.
These guys couldn't stop USC if there life depended on it.
Baylor just tied it up.
My prediction: if Michigan beats Ohio next week, it gets a BCS at-large invite.
Chip Kelly what the fuck!? Worst clock management I've ever seen.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 19, 2011, 11:31:53 PM
Chip Kelly what the fuck!? Worst clock management I've ever seen.
What happened I wasn't watching.
Hahaha Baylor with the big FUCK YOU to Oklahoma
LSU - Alabama rematch anyone?
Quote from: sbr on November 19, 2011, 11:54:26 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 19, 2011, 11:31:53 PM
Chip Kelly what the fuck!? Worst clock management I've ever seen.
What happened I wasn't watching.
They were driving and had 3 timeouts and like 33 seconds at the end. He chose to use none and play for the tie. Let the clock run down and spike the ball to center the kicker. False start Oregon. Then neutral zone infraction USC. Kick goes left. Just mind blowingly bad time management.
Quote from: sbr on November 20, 2011, 12:01:06 AM
LSU - Alabama rematch anyone?
I would've liked to have seen LSU and OU, but OU getting knocked out of the possibility by the mighty Bears is good enough.
So, it's going to be LSU #1, Alabama #2, and Arkansas #3. Now that's SEC dominance.
I've long since given up even pretending to argue that the SEC is anything other than the NFL-lite.
They have decisively won the college football conference meta-game.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 20, 2011, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: sbr on November 19, 2011, 11:54:26 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 19, 2011, 11:31:53 PM
Chip Kelly what the fuck!? Worst clock management I've ever seen.
What happened I wasn't watching.
They were driving and had 3 timeouts and like 33 seconds at the end. He chose to use none and play for the tie. Let the clock run down and spike the ball to center the kicker. False start Oregon. Then neutral zone infraction USC. Kick goes left. Just mind blowingly bad time management.
This. Unbelievable. That's what happens when you play for the tie, kids. The football gods strike you down and chortle at your lack of courage. As soon as I saw them doing it, I knew Lance was going to coach his boys to an upset.
Quote from: sbr on November 20, 2011, 12:01:06 AM
LSU - Alabama rematch anyone?
That will be awkward when neither team managed to win their conference. :ph34r: :wacko:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 20, 2011, 04:31:45 AM
Quote from: sbr on November 20, 2011, 12:01:06 AM
LSU - Alabama rematch anyone?
That will be awkward when neither team managed to win their conference. :ph34r: :wacko:
So you think that Georgia beats LSU in the SEC title game?
I think the word hope would be more accurate. But if they play like they did in the Auburn game, they can beat LSU.
Who goes to the SEC title game if Arkansas beats LSU?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 20, 2011, 03:18:17 PM
Who goes to the SEC title game if Arkansas beats LSU?
Georgia. ;)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 20, 2011, 03:18:17 PM
Who goes to the SEC title game if Arkansas beats LSU?
For a three way tie in the SEC they look at the head to head record of the two teams that are ranked highest in the BCS rankings.
Quote from: sbr on November 20, 2011, 05:12:37 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 20, 2011, 03:18:17 PM
Who goes to the SEC title game if Arkansas beats LSU?
For a three way tie in the SEC they look at the head to head record of the two teams that are ranked highest in the BCS rankings.
The tie-breaking procedures make it hard to say for sure who would go to the title game in a 3-way tie, because it depends largely on how the poll voters would react, and that could depend on exactly how the games are won or lost, but if Arkansas beats LSU and Alabama beats Auburn, then I'd guess that most likely Alabama would win the division and go to the SEC title game. If Arkansas beats LSU and Auburn beats Alabama, then it's a 2-way tie and Arkansas would win based on beating LSU head-to-head.
Some RS-Fresh TE for Arkansas died today. Garrett Uekman. A roommate left while he was in the room playing video games, an hour later Uekman was found on the floor in cardiac arrest, and an hour after that he was pronounced dead. No autopsy or anything like that yet, but he had supposedly done nothing last night but go to Sonic with another Arkansas player. RIP
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7261953/arkansas-freshman-tight-end-garrett-uekman-dies-19
Some kind of congenital defect maybe? :huh: :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 20, 2011, 07:52:43 PM
Some kind of congenital defect maybe? :huh: :(
Maybe. Maybe some sort of injury from the game yesterday.
There's also a Sonic joke in there.
Roids are a harsh mistress.
I am Osceolius, Chief of Chiefs,
Look upon my works all ye mighty, and despair.
Florida State, 1987–2000 – At the height of Bobby Bowden's dominance, the Florida State Seminoles went 152–19–1, won nine ACC championships (1992–2000), two national championships (1993 and 1999), played for three more national championships (1996, 1998 and 2000), were ranked #1 in the pre-season AP poll 5 times (1988, 1991, 1993, 1995, and 1999), never lost the #1 AP ranking during 1999, produced 20 1st round NFL draft picks (including the 1997 offensive and defensive rookies of the year), won at least 10 games every year, and never finished a season ranked lower than fourth in the AP poll. Quarterbacks Charlie Ward and Chris Weinke won Heisman Trophies.
:weep:
arkansas will beat lsu
EPIC chaos to follow.
Oh yeah. UTSA won Saturday, 49-7 or something similar, over Minot State (?), to finish 4-6 in their first season. Not bad.
Quote from: Rasputin on November 21, 2011, 10:08:51 AM
arkansas will beat lsu
EPIC chaos to follow.
Arkansas and Auburn will be the agents of dischord.
Though I think Georgia would probably also have to win the SEC for the crap to really hit the fan. Then we might just roll dice to see who makes it.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 21, 2011, 10:09:40 AM
Oh yeah. UTSA won Saturday, 49-7 or something similar, over Minot State (?), to finish 4-6 in their first season. Not bad.
Not bad at all. Though they are going to big boy football next year in the WAC right? I hope they are ready.
What is going on at FSU anyway? The weirdest part about their struggles is that their recruiting never seemed to suffer that much. They still bring in top classes just now they consistently fail to pan out.
I want a goddamn tear shed for Ohio State. 6-5? FUCK.
I didn't know my preseason prediction of 7-5 was going to be THIS close. Sheesh.
:mad:
jimbo calls a shitty game
he is mack brown's doppelganger and
you cannot expect 18 and 19 year old kids to zone run block; inevitably this fails to put a lineman on a linebacker and you cannot run between the tackles because even bad linebackers can take two steps forward and plug the hole.
our offensive scheme is complete shit and a shitty scheme gets even worse with bad play calling
i am going to go drown my tears for a few days between the legs of a very sexy nurse
i'll see y'all in a few days; enjoy the holidays
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2011, 10:14:54 AM
Not bad at all. Though they are going to big boy football next year in the WAC right? I hope they are ready.
Yeah they'll play a WAC schedule, but it's a transition year so I they're not bowl eligible or anything, and they'll still be playing some 1AA teams. They're going to lose a lot, I would think. They actually have some decent talent, but not much depth.
Home games: NW Oklahoma, McNeese, SJSU, Texas State (also their WAC transition year), Utah State.
Away: South Alabama, Georgia State, Rice, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2011, 10:23:27 AM
I want a goddamn tear shed for Ohio State. 6-5? FUCK.
I didn't know my preseason prediction of 7-5 was going to be THIS close. Sheesh.
Eh...Texas is 6-4 and looking to probably finish 6-6. Heck our teams are pretty similar: all defense and running game with no QB to speak of.
Quote from: Rasputin on November 21, 2011, 10:26:15 AM
he is mack brown's doppelganger and
Ok that explains everything :P
Optimism high here in Wyoming. A winning season means the coach will be gone, Wyoming will get screwed out of a bowl game, and the freshman of the year QB will get hurt. Optimism, I tell you, everyone is positive these things will come to pass.
Quote from: PDH on November 21, 2011, 11:21:28 AM
Optimism high here in Wyoming. A winning season means the coach will be gone, Wyoming will get screwed out of a bowl game, and the freshman of the year QB will get hurt. Optimism, I tell you, everyone is positive these things will come to pass.
Where do they think Christiansen is going to go?
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2011, 11:26:25 AM
Where do they think Christiansen is going to go?
They don't have to think of a place, they just know he will go. One of the first questions asked when he was hired was "if you are successful in a couple of years will you leave?"
Ahh, Wyoming, stepping-stone of coaches.
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2011, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2011, 10:23:27 AM
I want a goddamn tear shed for Ohio State. 6-5? FUCK.
I didn't know my preseason prediction of 7-5 was going to be THIS close. Sheesh.
Eh...Texas is 6-4 and looking to probably finish 6-6. Heck our teams are pretty similar: all defense and running game with no QB to speak of.
Sadly for Texas, I don't know that those two QB's on their roster have the upside that Braxton Miller has.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2011, 02:07:20 PM
Sadly for Texas, I don't know that those two QB's on their roster have the upside that Braxton Miller has.
They don't.
Texas is going to have to pin their QB hopes on new recruits that come in next year, either Brewer or some other dude I don't know about. There are some people on ShaggyBevo talking about bringing in a Juco type so that Brewer can redshirt and all that. Never really thought about that, but it would be an interesting way of doing things.
Oh, and BTW, Bri'onte Dunn, OSU's top recruit and their only 5-star, seems about to switch his commit to Michigan. He was in Ann Arbor for the game last weekend and is returning next weekend with his family - but won't be on the OSU sidelines. His cousin, a 2013 Michigan commit, thinks Dunn will announce his new 2012 commit on Saturday, and will enroll in Ann Arbor in January.
That would be a huge, huge hit for OSU and a major gain for Michigan.
Oh the agony.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.static.ovimg.com%2Fepisode%2F103417.jpg&hash=b5f071a8747459e0451ce432279ea0042c71c58a)
Fickell sucks.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2011, 02:07:20 PM
Sadly for Texas, I don't know that those two QB's on their roster have the upside that Braxton Miller has.
Oh no they are the worst QBs I have ever seen Texas start. And when I was a kid they generally went 5-6 or 4-7 every year.
At least it is sort of entertaining watch just how horribly they miss wide open dudes every game.
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2011, 03:14:10 PM
Oh no they are the worst QBs I have ever seen Texas start. And when I was a kid they generally went 5-6 or 4-7 every year.
The earliest Horns QB I remember is Gardere in like 88 or something. IIRC James Brown was next, then Applewhite/Simms, Mock/Young, (Snead?/)Colt, Gilbert/Ash/Case. I don't remember specifics about Gardere and Brown, but I'm pretty sure I'd take either one of them over the current dudes, and there's absolutely no question about Applewhite - Colt being preferable.
Shit I'd be okay with Matt Nordgren starting over these scrubs. He can fumble it to himself all he wants.
Since I was old enough to really pay attention it has been:
Todd Dodge-Bret Stafford-Peter Gardere-Shea Morenz-James Brown-Major Applewhite-Chris Simms-Chance Mock-Vince Young-Colt McCoy-Garrett Gilbert-Case McCoy-David Ash
I would take scrubs like Dodge and Stafford over Case and David Ash. Blech.
Oh I forgot about Morenz. He sucked, didn't he?
Anyway, you want to get mad again, Valmy? KEYE has a nice shot of that "kick catch interference" call.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=563467120597
:bleeding:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 21, 2011, 04:12:13 PM
Anyway, you want to get mad again, Valmy? KEYE has a nice shot of that "kick catch interference" call.
That was a brutal blow. Along with Ash's second (and mindblowingly horrible) int. Texas sucks too bad on offense for that crap.
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
That was a brutal blow. Along with Ash's second (and mindblowingly horrible) int. Texas sucks too bad on offense for that crap.
:yes: They need all the help they can get. A 6-3 lead at halftime (I have no confidence they would have gotten a TD, even where that was recovered) is WAY better than a 10-3 deficit. When it went from "Horns ball in FG range" to "KSU ball +15 yards," I figured they were probably going to give up a TD and would probably lose because of it. Weeellllppppp The D almost proved me wrong, but they couldn't quite hold on.
That second INT Ash threw....it looked like the K-State DB was the actual target and he threw it a bit high to him. He was the only guy within ~10 yards, and there wasn't anyone behind him at all. There was a Texas WR off to the right along the sideline, and another one way in front of the KSU guy, but that was all I could see in the replay.
The pass was meant for DJ Grant but it was juuuuust a bit high. The funniest part was the authority with which he threw it. "Watch this bullet bitch! Oh crap."
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2011, 04:31:26 PM
The pass was meant for DJ Grant but it was juuuuust a bit high. The funniest part was the authority with which he threw it. "Watch this bullet bitch! Oh crap."
Oh is that who sort of flashed by on the bottom of the screen in the replay? :lol: The pass was almost too high for the safety (or whoever that was) that picked it off and he was way back there.
"Where the fu...GODDAMMIT ASH"
RichRod to Arizona, according to "sources."
http://bruce-feldman.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/31626208/33443866
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 21, 2011, 06:11:04 PM
RichRod to Arizona, according to "sources."
http://bruce-feldman.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/31626208/33443866
Sorry, Berk.
Quote of the day. As most of you probably know, part of Brady Hoke's little psywar game is to refer to Ohio State as "Ohio." He got asked about it again in today's presser:
QuoteWhy do you call them "Ohio" rather than "Ohio State"?
"Always have."
Always have?
"Yeah."
Since when?
"Always. So whenever always is."
:lol:
Love this guy. I was one of his biggest doubters when he got the job, but I can't imagine a better fit for this team. Who needs Harbaugh?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 21, 2011, 06:11:04 PM
RichRod to Arizona, according to "sources."
http://bruce-feldman.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/31626208/33443866
I think that's a great move for the team and for RichRod (whom I have always respected, though he was a crappy fit at Michigan). I think he will understand the need for defenses now, and he is playing in a conference with only a few traditionally great defensive teams. It's not like taking over a program that had the nation's longest bowl streak and dumping it in the crapper for a long rebuilding period.
If this happens, I will wish the team and RichRod all success, except against the Big Ten.
QuoteichRod trending on twitter right now
NOTSportsCenter NOT SportsCenter
SOURCE: Arizona picked Rich Rodriguez because they felt he was a perfect fit for a team used to not winning conference titles or bowl games
:lol:
I am not sure how I feel about this. Feels kind of like a re-tread.
The RichRod hiring is official according to the Arizona AD's twitter: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7266532/arizona-wildcats-rich-rodriguez-hired-announcement-made-twitter (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7266532/arizona-wildcats-rich-rodriguez-hired-announcement-made-twitter)
As I have said, I think this a good hire, especially compared to Leach. RR can deliver. I don't think 'Zona has a "never gotten an NCAA violation" tradition to preserve, does it?
Quote from: grumbler on November 21, 2011, 09:35:48 PM
As I have said, I think this a good hire, especially compared to Leach. RR can deliver. I don't think 'Zona has a "never gotten an NCAA violation" tradition to preserve, does it?
Nah, I see two football infraction cases, with one of them (from '83) having an "institutional control" tag.
QuoteDate: May 20, 1983
Violation Sumary: Improper employment, entertainment, financial aid, lodging and transportation; extra benefits; improper recruiting contacts, entertainment, inducements, lodging and transportation; unethical conduct; outside fund; coaching staff limitations, institutional control; certification of compliance.
https://web1.ncaa.org/LSDBi/exec/miSearch <- the site is kind of wonky so this link might not work. Just search for University of Arizona and highlight the football thing down at the bottom. There are pdfs and all that. Interesting site.
Michigan:
QuoteDate: November 4, 2010
Violation Sumary: Exceeding coaching staff limitations, playing and practice season violations, unethical conduct and failure to monitor
Three years probation, eh? I didn't know it was that long.
Here is the thread on this at MGoBlog: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/if-rr-learned-anything-his-time-michigan-he-will (http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/if-rr-learned-anything-his-time-michigan-he-will)
All in all, it sounds good for both AZ and RR. As I predicted, natch. :lol:
Well they figured out what happened to the Arkansas player:
QuoteA University of Arkansas football player died over the weekend of a condition that caused an irregular heartbeat, a coroner said Tuesday.
Washington County coroner Roger Morris said that, to the best of his knowledge, Garrett Uekman's condition was not previously detected. He said the condition, which thickens the walls of the heart, affects a lot of young men.
"It's one of those kind of undetected silent killers," Morris said.
Uekman, a 19-year-old redshirt freshman tight end, was last seen playing video games Sunday morning. He was found unresponsive in his dorm room an hour later and was in cardiac arrest by the time emergency services personnel arrived. He was pronounced dead shortly after noon.
Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long has said the university wasn't aware of any pre-existing medical condition for Uekman.
Uekman's toxicology report came back with no indications of improper drug use, Morris said. University police have said there were no suspicious circumstances about Uekman's death.
Several thousand mourners gathered in Fayetteville on Monday for a candlelight vigil to remember Uekman. His picture remained on the videoboard at the Bud Walton Arena throughout the ceremony, and those in attendance wore stickers that had black ribbons wrapped in red with a white "88" on them, in honor of Uekman's number.
The No. 3 Razorbacks (10-1, 6-1 Southeastern Conference) face No. 1 LSU (11-0, 7-0) in Baton Rouge on Friday.
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2011/nov/22/uekman-died-heart-condition/
I'm sorry about RR, Berkut.
I'm offically sick of the Urban Meyer wirblewind.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 23, 2011, 07:45:50 AM
I'm sorry about RR, Berkut.
I have to say it seems frighteningly similar to hiring John Mackovic after he failed at Texas. Fortunately I do not think RR is nearly as big of a douchebag as Mackovic.
RichRod has the potential to do well at Arizona.
I predicted Rodriguez would do badly at Michigan, and I was right, and I was right for essentially the exact reasons that he wasn't successful.
I predicted two things would happen with him at UM:
1. He would do the same thing he did at WV, in which he completely destroys/uproots an existing offensive system and drives out tons of players who were recruited to play in that system. Resulting in a disastrous first season (he only won 3 games his first year at West Virginia and at Michigan.) The reason this was going to be fatal for him at Michigan is because of UM fans like grumbler who live in the past and don't realize SEC schools that are allowed to recruit 1.5 HS GPA blacks who can't read or write and/or pay for players have made the B1G and its antiquated ways irrelevant and Michigan will never be the sort of power it once was. Those fans are unwilling to accept any degree of bad season, Rodriguez did not recognize that (or most of UM's retarded traditions) and it cost him a huge amount of good will in his very first season.
2. Just like at WV he wouldn't care about defense, by and large I was right on this. In the Big East his offense so outclassed the rest of the conference that his defensive woes often did not really matter. Plus, when RichRod's offense is really clicking it emphasizes long, clock eating drives. He uses a no-huddle but most of his plays don't snap until a few seconds are left on the play clock (so it isn't a lightning-speed offense ala Mike Leach or his disciples.) In a more competitive league, you have to have at least a decent defense who can keep the opponent in check in situations where your offense isn't gelling or when the other team is legitimately good and has a defense that can stop you. When West Virginia beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl it's essentially because Georgia's defense was caught unprepared for the speed of Pat White and Steve Slaton and gave up 28 unanswered points. The game ended 38-35 once Georgia's defense tightened up and their offense woke up--once they woke up Georgia essentially scored at will on West Virginia and WVU's defense looked weak and incapable.
I think since Arizona is a mid-tier or lower Pac-12 team they will probably be willing to put up with a few rough seasons while Rodriguez fine tunes his system. However I think that he will need to change his fundamental philosophy on defense in order to keep his job there long term and win an acceptable number of games.
Wait so you make fun of the grumblers in your first point and then make it sound like they were perfectly justified in your second point. :hmm:
How so?
I don't necessarily agree with Rodriguez's scorched earth policy, and I've never agreed with a total lack of defense in college football. I said that worked at West Virginia because they don't have fans like grumbler who prattle on about x number of years of straight bowl trips and winning seasons and act like someone raped their cat because those streaks ended.
Quote from: Valmy on November 23, 2011, 10:33:58 AM
Wait so you make fun of the grumblers in your first point and then make it sound like they were perfectly justified in your second point. :hmm:
Actually, he isn't making fun of me, since his restatement of my argument is a complete strawman. :lol:
His assertion that the current regime at Michigan (which is doing exactly what I urged Rodriguez to do) will not restore Michigan's standing as an elite program also seems like a pretty blinkered viewpoint. Let's get that quoted here so he cannot deny saying it.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 23, 2011, 10:31:38 AM
(snip) The reason this was going to be fatal for him at Michigan is because of UM fans like grumbler who live in the past and don't realize SEC schools that are allowed to recruit 1.5 HS GPA blacks who can't read or write and/or pay for players have made the B1G and its antiquated ways irrelevant and Michigan will never be the sort of power it once was.
My prediction is that Michigan will win a national championship within the next six years, and that they will win at least 74% of their games over that span (that's their historical average).
While I could easily seeing them winning 3/4ths of their games winning a national championship is a much more difficult prospect, especially for a non SEC team. I don't really see how anyone could guarantee it.
We all know Michigan's historical win %, but what's their win % when you don't factor in the pre-television era?
I think something both Michigan and Notre Dame share in common is their historical win % is impressive, but if you look at say, 1960-Present or 1980-Present you get a clearer picture of who is relevant in the current generation of college football.
Just as a random fact, since World War II Oklahoma actually leads the nation in win % at 76.5%.
I still give Michigan cred though, since the 80s or so I'd rank them at least in the Top 15 overall, maybe my Top 10. I'd have to type a list up to really know. I can't see them in my Top 5 because there's just not enough room. No way they get in over Florida, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Miami, LSU since 1980. Since 1980 even Penn State is arguably better but their greatness is weighted more in the 1980s than the last 15 years. And given many years of dominance over Michigan it'd be hard to rank Ohio State lower in any regard.
In the next six years I predict Michigan will go to at least two Rose Bowls. I'll say maybe 50/50 chance of playing for an NC, I won't predict if they'll win one because once you get there it's really impossible to say what happens.
The big problem Michigan is going to have is it looks like maybe the B1G is now going to be more competitive. Even relatively recently it's been a two-team show, but with Nebraska and Wisconsin and Michigan State being good and probably not flash in the pan good, I don't know that Michigan will win like it used to. Neither will Ohio State for that matter.
Will OSU continue to win more B1G championships than the rest of the league over the next decade? I wouldn't be surprised. Will Michigan be #2 in that regard? Perhaps, wouldn't shock me. (But neither would Nebraska or Wiscy.) I just don't think you'll see the level of true dominance by the two traditional Big 10 powers like you saw in the historical Big 10 ever come back.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 23, 2011, 10:57:39 AM
How so?
I don't necessarily agree with Rodriguez's scorched earth policy, and I've never agreed with a total lack of defense in college football. I said that worked at West Virginia because they don't have fans like grumbler who prattle on about x number of years of straight bowl trips and winning seasons and act like someone raped their cat because those streaks ended.
My issue with RichRod was that he can't coach players, only schemes. There was no dearth of talent at Michigan when he took over, and he could easily have won six games his first year with the players he had, had he the skill to use them as their skills allowed. Ryan Mallet would clearly have been a better QB than Nick Sheridan, had Rodriguez known how to coach a drop-back passer. As it was, Rodriguez didn't, and so Mallet wisely moved on.
If that makes me a bad fan in your eyes, i can certainly live with that. I'd argue that my complaints about RichRod (which have to do with football) are more well-reasoned than yours 9which have to do with your mis-perception of me as a fan).
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 23, 2011, 11:30:32 AM
While I could easily seeing them winning 3/4ths of their games winning a national championship is a much more difficult prospect, especially for a non SEC team. I don't really see how anyone could guarantee it.
I don't think anyone can guarantee a national championship, either. One can predict it, but one cannot guarantee it, IMO.
IT is going to be interesting.
RR seems to be making it clear that he would be bringing his run spread option to town with him. Arizona has been running a straight passing spread option (and running it pretty well) for the last several years, and that is one reason we have a pretty damn good backup QB (Matt Scott) who is fast as hell sitting on the bench while a damn good drop back passer (Nick Foles) is setting Arizona passing records.
Scott will be a senior next year, and is likely to be a perfect fit for the new system. We have a freshman running back who has looked brilliant this year, and a ridiculously deep group at WR next year, even though we lose Criner. The O-line this year has been problematic, but they are all extremely young, and have gotten much, much better, and will all be returning next year.
However, Savage, our probably QB of the future, is fucked - he is a straight up drop back passer.
Rodriguez, from an offensive standpoint, has a LOT to work with next year.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 23, 2011, 11:34:33 AM
We all know Michigan's historical win %, but what's their win % when you don't factor in the pre-television era?
From 1980 until RR's arrival, Michigan's win % was 77%.
QuoteI think something both Michigan and Notre Dame share in common is their historical win % is impressive, but if you look at say, 1960-Present or 1980-Present you get a clearer picture of who is relevant in the current generation of college football.
I think Michigan's winning % since 1980 exceeds their historical win % by a hair, at 74% (that includes the debacle of the Rodriguez years). How is 74% historically impressive, but 74% currently "irrelevant?"
QuoteJust as a random fact, since World War II Oklahoma actually leads the nation in win % at 76.5%.
You can find a figure to match pretty much anything you want to assert. what is Oklahoma's record since 1980?
QuoteI still give Michigan cred though, since the 80s or so I'd rank them at least in the Top 15 overall, maybe my Top 10. I'd have to type a list up to really know. I can't see them in my Top 5 because there's just not enough room. No way they get in over Florida, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Miami, LSU since 1980. Since 1980 even Penn State is arguably better but their greatness is weighted more in the 1980s than the last 15 years. And given many years of dominance over Michigan it'd be hard to rank Ohio State lower in any regard.
What are the winning %'s of those superior teams, since 1980? Florida, I'll give you. They've never finished unbeaten in their history, IIRC, but they have put up a lot of great teams. Nebraska? I think Michigan has finished ahead of them as many times as reverse since 1980. Penn State? Michigan has finished ranked ahead of Penn State 18 times since 1980; Penn State has done the reverse 9 times. Ohio State's "dominance" of Michigan is reflected in their 14-15-1 record since 1980! :lol:
I think you don't know what you are talking about.
If you read my post carefully you will note a few things.
Firstly, I asked what Michigan's win % was since 1980. I asked because I did not know, my perception was it was lower, but I asked because perception =/= reality.
Secondly, I said I couldn't rank Michigan above x number of teams because I viewed them as more dominant since 1980. I didn't say "had a better winning percentage." Obviously more goes into dominance than winning percentage, and I think we all agree on that.
Michigan won a single split national championship since 1980. Penn State has won two consensus, Nebraska has won three (one split), Miami has won five, Oklahoma has won two, LSU has won two (one split), Florida has won three.
The reason I said Penn State is "arguably" better is because they won two consensus national championships in the 1980s, and they are usually "decent" in any given year. The reason I didn't say they are definitely better is my "feeling" is they are inferior to Michigan since 1980 mostly because PSU has done mediocre since joining the Big 10 and had some very embarrassing years in the early 2000s. National championships aren't everything, but they aren't "nothing" either. If a team won a consensus national championship and then never did anything else, that's problematic. But the five teams I've named (LSU, Florida, Oklahoma, Miami, Nebraska) have won lots of conference championships and lots of games since 1980, it's hard to argue any of those schools are flash in the pan. In the case of Florida they weren't even very successful prior to Spurrier (their first NC was in 1996.)
In any case though, the actual win percentage numbers roughly bear out my feelings on the matter, the only omission is I didn't think of Florida State who is definitely top 5 since 1980.
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I guess you were confused on your numbers grumbler :lmfao:
The only team I was really off the mark on is LSU, I guess I forgot how bad they were prior to the mid-90s.
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I guess you were confused on your numbers grumbler :lmfao:
Check your numbers again, Otto. Michigan is 280-105-5 since the start of the 1980 season. :lmfao:
I did get the winning % wrong, though. It was 72.4%, not 74%. Hasty transcribing.
That's probably from Stassen, which only goes through 2010 right now. Michigan is 9-2 though, right? Should be 280-106-5.
That's .716, since we seem to be interested in that for some reason.
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Meh they all do that when they do the sweep. Got to love K-State though. I love teams built like they are.
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I guess you were confused on your numbers grumbler :lmfao:
Check your numbers again, Otto. Michigan is 280-105-5 since the start of the 1980 season. :lmfao:
I did get the winning % wrong, though. It was 72.4%, not 74%. Hasty transcribing.
As Valmy said, that's from Stassen which only runs through the most recently completed season. So the numbers for all of the teams here would change if included this season, so it's mostly a wash that I didn't. Especially since almost every team on that list is having a > 80% this season, all of them would have slightly higher numbers.
The real reason I didn't include through this active season is:
1. Would involve manual work for 10 teams
2. Season is still ongoing so it isn't reasonable to guess what their win % for the season will be. In theory OU, Michigan, Florida et al could lose every game from here to the end of the season or etc.
1 Nebraska 78.180% 313 87 1 401
2 Boise State 77.889% 155 44 199
3 Miami-Florida 76.486% 296 91 387
4 Florida State 75.260% 287 93 4 384
5 Ohio State 74.409% 281 95 5 381
6 Florida 74.242% 292 100 4 396
7 Oklahoma 72.577% 282 105 5 392
8 Michigan 72.251% 280 106 5 391
9 Penn State 71.979% 279 108 2 389
10 Georgia 71.080% 274 110 5 389
Still wrong on Michigan's W-L % though, it's 72.251 (72.3 at best), not 72.4. Either way no point in quibbling about 10ths of a percent, the point remains Michigan is not a top 5 team and in answer to the original question about how the teams I mentioned in my top 5 have done w-l % since 1980 is "all of them have done better than Michigan except LSU."
I'm surprised there aren't more SEC teams on that list. I guess they beat each other up too much for that. :hmm:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 23, 2011, 04:25:36 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more SEC teams on that list. I guess they beat each other up too much for that. :hmm:
You do realize that is since 1980 and not 2005 right?
Quote from: Valmy on November 23, 2011, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 23, 2011, 04:25:36 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more SEC teams on that list. I guess they beat each other up too much for that. :hmm:
You do realize that is since 1980 and not 2005 right?
To realize one must be thinking.
Quote from: Valmy on November 23, 2011, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 23, 2011, 04:25:36 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more SEC teams on that list. I guess they beat each other up too much for that. :hmm:
You do realize that is since 1980 and not 2005 right?
Understandable mistake as Boise somehow made it to #2. Don't think I'd even heard of them 10 years ago.
Boise has only been IA/FBS since 1996, and Stassen only tracks their IA record, not their historical. They are sort of an anomaly in that dataset for that reason.
They came up in '96, had a bad first season in IA (which most teams do because they get like 30 more scholarships when they move up, so they are at a big competitive disadvantage vs other FBS teams), had a bad second season, and then have mostly had solid seasons since then, with mostly 10+ win season.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 23, 2011, 04:25:36 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more SEC teams on that list. I guess they beat each other up too much for that. :hmm:
:lmfao:
Good one.
Quote from: Berkut on November 24, 2011, 12:25:42 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 23, 2011, 04:25:36 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more SEC teams on that list. I guess they beat each other up too much for that. :hmm:
:lmfao:
Good one.
I thought you said you gave up arguing the SEC was anything other than the NFL light.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 24, 2011, 09:40:59 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 24, 2011, 12:25:42 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 23, 2011, 04:25:36 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more SEC teams on that list. I guess they beat each other up too much for that. :hmm:
:lmfao:
Good one.
I thought you said you gave up arguing the SEC was anything other than the NFL light.
I did - that doesn't mean the idea that their W-L record is poor because they beat up on each other isn't laughable.
The SEC is well known as the major conference that specializes in patsy scheduling OOC to pad their win-loss records.
I used to try to argue that meant they really weren't as good as their record indicated, but over the last few years their dominance of the major teams that are NOT patsies makes it pretty clear that is not true.
That doesn't mean that they don't pad their schedules with cupcakes.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 24, 2011, 09:40:59 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 24, 2011, 12:25:42 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 23, 2011, 04:25:36 PM
I'm surprised there aren't more SEC teams on that list. I guess they beat each other up too much for that. :hmm:
:lmfao:
Good one.
I thought you said you gave up arguing the SEC was anything other than the NFL light.
I did - that doesn't mean the idea that their W-L record is poor because they beat up on each other isn't laughable.
The SEC is well known as the major conference that specializes in patsy scheduling OOC to pad their win-loss records.
I used to try to argue that meant they really weren't as good as their record indicated, but over the last few years their dominance of the major teams that are NOT patsies makes it pretty clear that is not true.
That doesn't mean that they don't pad their schedules with cupcakes.
Well if they schedule cupcakes and are dominant over major teams from other conferences than how else can you explain that their win percentages aren't the highest.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 24, 2011, 11:39:19 AM
Well if they schedule cupcakes and are dominant over major teams from other conferences than how else can you explain that their win percentages aren't the highest.
Because, as was pointed out, this is since 1980, not 2005. The top teams also "rotate." The top of the SEC is different from what it was..I don't know, say three-four years ago. See: Florida.
E: Oh and Alabama might be on there, but they also vacated like 20 wins because of that textbook thing, IIRC. Then again, I think those games are just...gone...like they never happened, so w/e. Couple of 6 loss seasons in there anyway. E2: My bad...2005: 10-2 (became 0-2), 2006: 6-7 (became 0-7), 2007: 7-6 (became 2-6), so 21 wins, but they were also removed from the total games. They've lost 21 games from 2005-2011 so far it looks like.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 24, 2011, 12:19:52 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 24, 2011, 11:39:19 AM
Well if they schedule cupcakes and are dominant over major teams from other conferences than how else can you explain that their win percentages aren't the highest.
Because, as was pointed out, this is since 1980, not 2005. The top teams also "rotate." The top of the SEC is different from what it was..I don't know, say three-four years ago. See: Florida.
10 years ago, I would have argued that when it came to the 6 BCS AQ conferences there really wasn't much to justify ranking any of them as stronger than any other, but clearly the SEC has become #1 since then.
As for Rich Rod, I don't particularly care to defend him, I'll say that while I don't agree with the details of OvB's analysis of what happened during his run at Michigan, I do agree with what I see as the spirit of his point number 1--RR was hired to change the culture at Michigan, and was then fired as much for trying to change that culture as for his W-L record. Granted, had his record been better, he would have had more leeway, but objective observers knew when he was hired that what he was trying to do wasn't going to happen overnight, and Michigan's administration would have to have a good bit of patience before he got real results. Ultimately, the administration didn't have enough patience, IMO partly because many in the fan base and some in the administration itself didn't want the culture changed.
Quote from: dps on November 24, 2011, 04:51:35 PM
10 years ago, I would have argued that when it came to the 6 BCS AQ conferences there really wasn't much to justify ranking any of them as stronger than any other, but clearly the SEC has become #1 since then.
The problem with the SEC is that the bottom half or so of the conference is crap. The top teams are great, especially those three in the West. The rest? Not really so much. Vandy, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Miss State aren't even bowl eligible yet and it's 24 November. Florida (6-5) and Auburn (7-4) aren't exactly superteams either. I also remember Georgia getting skullfucked by Boise (a very good team) at home, where that shouldn't happen to the leader of an AQ conference division. Lose? Sure, shit happens. Boise, who can't even win the MWC anymore I don't think, slapped them all over their own field though.
Edit: And they're about to add two more very mediocre teams.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 24, 2011, 05:25:02 PM
I also remember Georgia getting skullfucked by Boise
You remember incorrectly. They lost by two touchdowns.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 24, 2011, 06:10:41 PM
You remember incorrectly. They lost by two touchdowns.
:lol: Only two huh? Yeah. Kudos to Georgia for managing to trade TDs with them at the end of the 3rd and in the 4th. Too bad they were down 28-7 when they finally started doing that.
Edit: Fuckin Georgia letting everyone down like that. Good thing TCU took care of business.
Uh oh. Tuskegee has cut it to a two point lead after being down 23-7 at the half. Entertaining game. The bands just play constantly.
I've got my grode jar ready. :)
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 24, 2011, 08:00:35 PM
I've got my grode jar ready. :)
It's the jizz jar that has to do with the UT - TAMU game, and you don't have enough friends in the Corps of Cadets to get one of those "ready," I don't think. The grode jar, as far as I know, is something gross they do to each other.
:XD: Case McCoy just threw one of the worst looking passes I've ever seen that somehow got over a defender to Jaxon Shipley, who took off for like a 30 yard gain.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 24, 2011, 06:22:09 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 24, 2011, 06:10:41 PM
You remember incorrectly. They lost by two touchdowns.
:lol: Only two huh? Yeah. Kudos to Georgia for managing to trade TDs with them at the end of the 3rd and in the 4th. Too bad they were down 28-7 when they finally started doing that.
Edit: Fuckin Georgia letting everyone down like that. Good thing TCU took care of business.
Sorry, man. It's just the inherent nature of living with the supremacy of the SEC. When you're too busy with THE MOST COMPETITIVE CONFERENCE IN THE LAND all season long, it's just tough to get up for a Boise.
Holy shit touchdown Texas! Jaxon Shipley is a better QB than Case.
Hey nice and now a pick. Oh and a really weird fumble gives it right back. :huh: He just dropped it.
Case did it man. What a classic Texas-Texas A&M game. That was one for the ages. So proud of that team :cry:
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2011, 12:06:04 AM
Case did it man. What a classic Texas-Texas A&M game. That was one for the ages. So proud of that team :cry:
Sacrificed his body for the win. Very nice job by Case on that last drive.
Good things happening in the SA gameday thread:
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From Gendo. Although he's saying Texags has actually deleted the entire gameday thread, so there might not be much more good material. They've always been pretty pathetic about anything bad, but I've never heard of them deleting the game thread. Place must be absolutely melting down.
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Quote from: dps on November 24, 2011, 04:51:35 PM
... I do agree with what I see as the spirit of his point number 1--RR was hired to change the culture at Michigan, and was then fired as much for trying to change that culture as for his W-L record.
I am not sure what this means. RR was hired because the Michigan AD thought every team in the land was going to have to switch to the spread option, and he wanted Michigan to get the best guy available to do that. I don't think "culture" was ever mentioned as a reason for the hire, nor can I think of anyone who thought that the existing culture at Michigan was a problem. The only problem they had was that Gary Moeller had stayed as coach for too long after he lost any enthusiasm for it.
QuoteGranted, had his record been better, he would have had more leeway, but objective observers knew when he was hired that what he was trying to do wasn't going to happen overnight, and Michigan's administration would have to have a good bit of patience before he got real results. Ultimately, the administration didn't have enough patience, IMO partly because many in the fan base and some in the administration itself didn't want the culture changed.
RR's disdain for/ignorance of Michigan traditions (which he made worse by getting rid of anyone who could have told him) like the Jersey bearing #1 admittedly helped poison his welcome, but what did him in was fielding three lousy teams, with later teams not noticeably better than previous teams. Had he started winning games against real competition, he might have gotten more time. The argument that the Michigan administration had to wait until he had lost four or five straight games against each of the team's major rivals and another two or three bowls before they got rid of him so that they would "show enough patience" sounds silly to me. There is no reason to believe that RR's teams were getting better, and that waiting would bring better results. The offense may have been getting marginally better but the defense in 2010 beat the record for "worst defense in Michigan history" set just the year before (which beat the record set by the 2008 defense, RR's first).
The fact was that RR failed at Michigan not because "the administration didn't have enough patience," but because he failed to see that his offense didn't work against solid defenses, and that he would thus need a defense of his own to slow down the other team. It was quite clear that, had RR stayed another two years, Michigan might have gotten to the point where they could regularly beat Iowa or Illinois to reliably finish 5-3 in the Big 10 and go on to lose a bowl game, but that's not what anyone at Michigan wanted to settle for. From that came the fan desire to see a change.
It's pretty funny how the "objective observers" that knew that what RR "was trying to do wasn't going to happen overnight" don't take into account that Hoke has, in fact, accomplished overnight that which was supposed to be impossible for RR to accomplish overnight. Of course, Hoke coaches players and coaches, and not schemes, so he plans for what his players can do rather than for what his scheme demands in a perfect world. The result is that he poised to win as many B10 games in his first year as RR won in his whole time at Michigan, with one game to go. Last year they gave up an average of 35 points; this year, they haven't given up 35 points even once.
If that's the result of "the administration" not having "enough patience," then fuck patience! :lol:
Hope the Razorbacks pull the upset!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 25, 2011, 02:55:16 PM
Hope the Razorbacks pull the upset!
I don't want to see a rematch in the BCS title game, so I'm hoping that LSU wins and goes on to beat Georgia, while Alabama loses to Auburn. That would set up a LSU vs ???? title game, but it probably wouldn't be a 2-loss Alabama, unless everybody else except Houston also ends up with 2 losses.
Personally, of the current 1-loss teams, I think I'd most like to see Stanford play LSU, but I'd settle for any of the other contenders as long as the title game's not a rematch.
Quote from: dps on November 25, 2011, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 25, 2011, 02:55:16 PM
Hope the Razorbacks pull the upset!
I don't want to see a rematch in the BCS title game, so I'm hoping that LSU wins and goes on to beat Georgia, while Alabama loses to Auburn. That would set up a LSU vs ???? title game, but it probably wouldn't be a 2-loss Alabama, unless everybody else except Houston also ends up with 2 losses.
Personally, of the current 1-loss teams, I think I'd most like to see Stanford play LSU, but I'd settle for any of the other contenders as long as the title game's not a rematch.
What's the problem with a rematch? I think it is pretty clear that LSU and Alabama are the best 2 teams in the country, why would you want someone other than the clearly second best team play for the championship?
Quote from: sbr on November 25, 2011, 03:13:07 PM
What's the problem with a rematch? I think it is pretty clear that LSU and Alabama are the best 2 teams in the country, why would you want someone other than the clearly second best team play for the championship?
Because it is bullshit to LSU. They already beat Bama at Bama. Why should they have to do it again? That is why I am not in favor of it personally. But anyway if indeed these are by far the two best teams they should roll over Auburn and Arky right?
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2011, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 25, 2011, 03:13:07 PM
What's the problem with a rematch? I think it is pretty clear that LSU and Alabama are the best 2 teams in the country, why would you want someone other than the clearly second best team play for the championship?
Because it is bullshit to LSU. They already beat Bama at Bama. Why should they have to do it again? That is why I am not in favor of it personally. But anyway if indeed these are by far the two best teams they should roll over Auburn and Arky right?
If there was a playoff would you also be opposed to a rematch at some point during the tournament? What if the Ravens meet the Steelers in the NFL playoffs, they already beat them twice, why should they have to play them again?
Quote from: sbr on November 25, 2011, 03:42:35 PM
If there was a playoff would you also be opposed to a rematch at some point during the tournament? What if the Ravens meet the Steelers in the NFL playoffs, they already beat them twice, why should they have to play them again?
That is not the way College Football works right now.
If there was a playoff? Well sure but there isn't. The regular season is supposed to be the playoff. In any case LSU and Bama haven't won out yet.
In the particular case of LSU-Alabama, there's also the fact that their meeting this year was a crappy game that came down to missed field goals. Who wants to see a repeat of that? Granted, if they did play again, I'd expect a better game, but still.
OTOH, LSU-Oregon was a blowout, so I'd be even less interested in a rematch of that one (though now that Oregon has a 2nd loss, we don't have to worry about that happening).
I guess I'll have to put my Buckeye flag up out front for the first time this year...
Saw this one-line on the CFN website: "Because of the streak vs Michigan, OSU fans learned to count past five".
Hey MBM and FM here is a little video the Sooner fans did to make fun of A&M: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=41izxcERgtc
In any other year I would be with those not wanting a rematch of LSU & Alabama. There are all kinds of reasons that Alabama should not get another chance: they didn't win their conference, they already had their chance, it was a crappy game previously, rematches are stupid. The difference this year is that there is absolutely no question who the best two teams in the country are. It has been obvious from September and nothing has really changed LSU and Alabama are at a different level than anyone else this year. There is no one who seriously knows college football that doesn't think LSU is absolutely clear-cut #1 team in the country, especially after dismantling Arkansas today. If not for a shitty kicker and one of the best individual plays I have seen by that LSU DB (Eric Reid) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQjPZRRDD64) Alabama should have beaten them.
I can maybe understand not wanting to see a rematch, but is there anyone who thinks a team other than LSU or Alabama is oneof the top 2 in the country?
- Oregon clearly isn't, which I knew before the season started.
- Stanford got punked by the Ducks' defense, what would an SEC defense do to them?
- Oklahoma is probably the third most talented team out there but they clearly are missing something.
- Boise? This is the only other team I could consider, not because they are top 2, but if no one else deserves it why not give them their shot?
- Arkansas already lost to both teams
- Oklahoma State wouldn't give either of them a close game
- Houston is the only other undefeated team left
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2011, 08:25:06 PM
Hey MBM and FM here is a little video the Sooner fans did to make fun of A&M: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=41izxcERgtc
:nelson:
A rematch is clearly not called for. LSU and Alabama already played to decide which was the better team. That issue was settled on the field. Time to move on.
It may well prove that LSU and Alabama are the two best teams in the country. There are bowl games to help determine that. What we do know is that, in the game scheduled to determine which was the better team, LSU was the better team. There is no need for another game to decide what has been decided.
Okie State clearly should go, if they beat Oklahoma and win the conference championship. If they don't, then whoever wins out between Stanford and VA Tech should play (if bnneither do, then Houston).
I recall the 2006 season, when UM lost to OSU by three at OSU, and people were calling for a rematch in the BCS title game. I opposed that idea then, and was (unfortunately) vindicated when both teams lost their bowl games.
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2011, 08:25:06 PM
Hey MBM and FM here is a little video the Sooner fans did to make fun of A&M: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=41izxcERgtc
:D
:lol: What an ending to the backyard brawl!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 25, 2011, 10:27:37 PM
:lol: What an ending to the backyard brawl!
:( Even the last game is tainted.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 23, 2011, 03:54:34 PM
the point remains Michigan is not a top 5 team and in answer to the original question about how the teams I mentioned in my top 5 have done w-l % since 1980 is "all of them have done better than Michigan except LSU."
Well, congratulations! You have proved a point no one contested. I bet your mom is proud of you. though no one else is.
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I don't remember this being a place where you can only say things that other people are contesting. You're the one who wondered what the w-% of the teams in my "personal top 5" was, and I answered your question. I guess in grumbler land when someone (yourself, in this case) asks a question you're supposed to not answer it. I guess maybe you've hit your head too many times in life and don't understand how the question-->answer process works in human conversation :lmfao:.
Was your question not genuine? If you're in the habit of asking questions you don't want answered I'll keep that in mind. :huh:
Ah. A safety for the lead. Good times.
Quote from: ulmont on September 17, 2011, 09:43:36 PM
So the Dawgs went 59-0 against "Coastal Carolina," and Tech went 66-24 against Kansas. I sense Thanksgiving pain in your future.
Wasn't so bad.
:cry:
Go Blue.
Hey plj that was a very...interesting win over the Gators in the Swamp.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 26, 2011, 04:25:17 PM
Go Blue.
I actually watched that game and was very entertained by it. I was very jealous of Ohio State's potent passing attack.
Maryland has reached new lows.
Quote from: Valmy on November 26, 2011, 11:55:03 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 26, 2011, 04:25:17 PM
Go Blue.
I actually watched that game and was very entertained by it. I was very jealous of Ohio State's potent passing attack.
:lol: Texas that bad?
I don't want to talk about nuthin.
Quote from: Valmy on November 26, 2011, 11:55:03 PM
I actually watched that game and was very entertained by it. I was very jealous of Ohio State's potent passing attack.
Miller played out of his mind. Michigan mistakes gave him some breaks, but he played well enough with those to keep the game close. He didn't have much help from his own team.
Agree it was a very entertaining game.
Too entertaining, if you ask me! :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on November 27, 2011, 12:49:41 PM
Agree it was a very entertaining game. Too entertaining, if you ask me! :lol:
No shit. I was, like, will you please put these guys away? Fucking Bucktards just wouldn't lay down and die.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2011, 01:17:51 AM
Maryland has reached new lows.
Somewhere a fat man is laughing.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 27, 2011, 02:00:41 AM
:lol: Texas that bad?
Texas' passing attack makes the atrocious passing defenses of the Big 12 look like the 2000 Baltimore Ravens.
Quote from: Valmy on November 26, 2011, 11:54:26 PM
Hey plj that was a very...interesting win over the Gators in the Swamp.
jimbo is a horrible play caller
our line coach needs to be fired because we fail to get lineman downfield blocking linbackers...we are running a less sophisticated running attack than most pop warner teams
our running coach needs to be fired too; how hard is it to teach a tail back that we call the fullback the "lead blocker" because the guy with the ball is supposed to follow him through the hole not run in a whole different direction with no blockers...ugh
the good news is our defense is back, and for real, and we are state champs
So, do we really want Urban Meyer? I know he's an Ohio boy and all (why are so many coaches from Ohio, anyway?). Did he run the style of ball he did at Florida because that's what he had to work with, or because that's his style? He didn't have much of a recruiting network down there at the beginning--how does that plug in to the equation. OSU does seem to be using Florida as a pipeline recruiting state over the past decade. Just because the guy lives in Upper Arlington doesn't mean he's going to be a good fit. Don't want to make the RichRod mistake.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 28, 2011, 01:23:51 PM
Did he run the style of ball he did at Florida because that's what he had to work with, or because that's his style?
Pretty sure he ran the same spread at Utah and probably at Bowling Green as well.
Yeah, he has run that at all his stops. Less finesse, more power than some other spread offenses from what I recall seeing.
My main concern with Meyer is that you can't be sure that he's not burned out. Maybe the year off from coaching recharged his batteries, maybe not.
Quote from: dps on November 28, 2011, 02:34:38 PM
My main concern with Meyer is that you can't be sure that he's not burned out. Maybe the year off from coaching recharged his batteries, maybe not.
my reliable gainesville contacts credibly suggest his sudden departure from gainesville had little to do with burnout...
that being said, if my sources are correct, the fact that ohio is more than a short car trip from gainesville would fix his coaching problem
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2011, 01:17:51 AM
Maryland has reached new lows.
i'll let you pretend it's 1953 , if you'll let me pretend it's 1993 :)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 28, 2011, 01:34:08 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 28, 2011, 01:23:51 PM
Did he run the style of ball he did at Florida because that's what he had to work with, or because that's his style?
Pretty sure he ran the same spread at Utah and probably at Bowling Green as well.
correct; you'll have two seasons of glory before the rest of the big ten figures out how to defense it....if you stumble across a tim tebow type along the way, you'll have three seasons of glory
Ugh. Not interested in that at all.
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: dps on November 28, 2011, 02:34:38 PM
My main concern with Meyer is that you can't be sure that he's not burned out. Maybe the year off from coaching recharged his batteries, maybe not.
my reliable gainesville contacts credibly suggest his sudden departure from gainesville had little to do with burnout...
that being said, if my sources are correct, the fact that ohio is more than a short car trip from gainesville would fix his coaching problem
Don't leave us hanging man.
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 02:58:10 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 28, 2011, 01:34:08 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 28, 2011, 01:23:51 PM
Did he run the style of ball he did at Florida because that's what he had to work with, or because that's his style?
Pretty sure he ran the same spread at Utah and probably at Bowling Green as well.
correct; you'll have two seasons of glory before the rest of the big ten figures out how to defense it....if you stumble across a tim tebow type along the way, you'll have three seasons of glory
Didn't he coach in Florida for six years?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 28, 2011, 03:25:15 PM
Didn't he coach in Florida for six years?
Yes. Florida won the SEC East three times (13-1 each time, 2 NC, 1 BCS Ws), 9-3, 9-4, 8-5 the other three years.
I was about to say: yes but only three were years of glory.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 28, 2011, 01:23:51 PM
So, do we really want Urban Meyer? I know he's an Ohio boy and all (why are so many coaches from Ohio, anyway?). Did he run the style of ball he did at Florida because that's what he had to work with, or because that's his style? He didn't have much of a recruiting network down there at the beginning--how does that plug in to the equation. OSU does seem to be using Florida as a pipeline recruiting state over the past decade. Just because the guy lives in Upper Arlington doesn't mean he's going to be a good fit. Don't want to make the RichRod mistake.
For better or for worse, he's very much wedded to the spread offense, almost to a fault. In 2005, he tried to turn Chris Leak into a spread QB, which was not too effective. In 2010, he tried to run a spread offense with John Brantley, which didn't work either. Without Tebow in the spread offense, UF's offense under Urban Meyer was never that amazing.
The other thing about Urban Meyer's UF years that a lot of people forget is how important the defense was, particularly in 2006. In 2006, Tebow played very sparingly, and it was the defense that carried the team to the championship. In 2008, it was all Tebow and Percy Harvin.
Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2011, 04:16:03 PM
The other thing about Urban Meyer's UF years that a lot of people forget is how important the defense was, particularly in 2006. In 2006, Tebow played very sparingly, and it was the defense that carried the team to the championship. In 2008, it was all Tebow and Percy Harvin.
That is not entirely fair. I thought Leak really played at a high level that year.
Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2011, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 28, 2011, 01:23:51 PM
So, do we really want Urban Meyer? I know he's an Ohio boy and all (why are so many coaches from Ohio, anyway?). Did he run the style of ball he did at Florida because that's what he had to work with, or because that's his style? He didn't have much of a recruiting network down there at the beginning--how does that plug in to the equation. OSU does seem to be using Florida as a pipeline recruiting state over the past decade. Just because the guy lives in Upper Arlington doesn't mean he's going to be a good fit. Don't want to make the RichRod mistake.
For better or for worse, he's very much wedded to the spread offense, almost to a fault. In 2005, he tried to turn Chris Leak into a spread QB, which was not too effective. In 2010, he tried to run a spread offense with John Brantley, which didn't work either. Without Tebow in the spread offense, UF's offense under Urban Meyer was never that amazing.
The other thing about Urban Meyer's UF years that a lot of people forget is how important the defense was, particularly in 2006. In 2006, Tebow played very sparingly, and it was the defense that carried the team to the championship. In 2008, it was all Tebow and Percy Harvin.
correct and he never game planned for what the defenses were actually doing or where they were weak; his offense was his offense and once you figured out how to defend it, he wasn't going to throw in any wrinkles to surprise you. On the whole, i believe that he was a so so coach who inherited a program at just the right time....in my opinion spurrier was the far better coach at florida
Quote from: Barrister on November 28, 2011, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: dps on November 28, 2011, 02:34:38 PM
My main concern with Meyer is that you can't be sure that he's not burned out. Maybe the year off from coaching recharged his batteries, maybe not.
my reliable gainesville contacts credibly suggest his sudden departure from gainesville had little to do with burnout...
that being said, if my sources are correct, the fact that ohio is more than a short car trip from gainesville would fix his coaching problem
Don't leave us hanging man.
the rumors i heard were that mrs myers had a reason for him to stop coaching and relocate
the rumors i heard would also explain the heart palpitations
of course it's mere rumor
If Mrs. Meyer is straying, there are plenty of dudes in Ohio as well.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2011, 05:32:27 PM
If Mrs. Meyer is straying, there are plenty of dudes in Ohio as well.
other way around...rumor was coed graduate student.
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 05:35:20 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2011, 05:32:27 PM
If Mrs. Meyer is straying, there are plenty of dudes in Ohio as well.
other way around...rumor was coed graduate student.
Then why did he retire, then unretire again before his last season?
if you believe the rumor, the explanation is he retired fearing the lid was going to blow in big scandal; he had second thoughts and got talked out of retirement by his assistants whose jobs would all otherwise be in jeopardy (not to mention he still had a few million reasons to stay); then the lid blew and to avoid scandal he re-retired
again it's all rumor
i hope it to be true because it makes myers more likeable
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 05:54:46 PM
if you believe the rumor, the explanation is he retired fearing the lid was going to blow in big scandal; he had second thoughts and got talked out of retirement by his assistants whose jobs would all otherwise be in jeopardy (not to mention he still had a few million reasons to stay); then the lid blew and to avoid scandal he re-retired
again it's all rumor
i hope it to be true because it makes myers more likeable
Interesting.
If it's accurate, then he'll probably find him a co-ed or 2 in Columbus, as well. Could be interesting.
Why would that be such a big scandal? It's really none of the public's business anyway. :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2011, 05:57:49 PM
Why would that be such a big scandal? It's really none of the public's business anyway. :hmm:
this is the bible belt baby; remember gainvesville is in south georgia
a few years back, one of the alabama head coaches lost his job for supposedly screwing a secretary
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 28, 2011, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: dps on November 28, 2011, 02:34:38 PM
My main concern with Meyer is that you can't be sure that he's not burned out. Maybe the year off from coaching recharged his batteries, maybe not.
my reliable gainesville contacts credibly suggest his sudden departure from gainesville had little to do with burnout...
that being said, if my sources are correct, the fact that ohio is more than a short car trip from gainesville would fix his coaching problem
Don't leave us hanging man.
the rumors i heard were that mrs myers had a reason for him to stop coaching and relocate
the rumors i heard would also explain the heart palpitations
of course it's mere rumor
I am now an Ohio State fan.
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2011, 05:57:49 PM
Why would that be such a big scandal? It's really none of the public's business anyway. :hmm:
this is the bible belt baby; remember gainvesville is in south georgia
a few years back, one of the alabama head coaches lost his job for supposedly screwing a secretary
Referring to Terry Bowden at Auburn? I think he was screwing someone related to the AD. And Alabama had to fire a head coach who never coached a game because he went to a strip club.
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2011, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2011, 04:16:03 PM
The other thing about Urban Meyer's UF years that a lot of people forget is how important the defense was, particularly in 2006. In 2006, Tebow played very sparingly, and it was the defense that carried the team to the championship. In 2008, it was all Tebow and Percy Harvin.
That is not entirely fair. I thought Leak really played at a high level that year.
He was a game manager for the most part. In 2006, the Gators didn't blow anyone out(besides non SEC opponents), certainly not like LSU has done this year to other teams. Most of the games they won were by 7-10 points, even against crappy teams.
The major exceptions were the non-BCS teams and Ohio State.
Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2011, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2011, 05:57:49 PM
Why would that be such a big scandal? It's really none of the public's business anyway. :hmm:
this is the bible belt baby; remember gainvesville is in south georgia
a few years back, one of the alabama head coaches lost his job for supposedly screwing a secretary
Referring to Terry Bowden at Auburn? I think he was screwing someone related to the AD. And Alabama had to fire a head coach who never coached a game because he went to a strip club.
yeah i was thinkiing of both incidents which morphed into one in my mind over time
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 06:59:32 PM
Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2011, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2011, 05:57:49 PM
Why would that be such a big scandal? It's really none of the public's business anyway. :hmm:
this is the bible belt baby; remember gainvesville is in south georgia
a few years back, one of the alabama head coaches lost his job for supposedly screwing a secretary
Referring to Terry Bowden at Auburn? I think he was screwing someone related to the AD. And Alabama had to fire a head coach who never coached a game because he went to a strip club.
yeah i was thinkiing of both incidents which morphed into one in my mind over time
Bowden quit because his last team sucked.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 28, 2011, 06:29:25 PM
I am now an Ohio State fan.
Just wait until he comes out in that sweatervest.
Quote from: Neil on November 28, 2011, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 28, 2011, 06:29:25 PM
I am now an Ohio State fan.
Just wait until he comes out in that sweatervest.
Not Urban. He's all about comfort.
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 02:58:10 PM
correct; you'll have two seasons of glory before the rest of the big ten figures out how to defense it....if you stumble across a tim tebow type along the way, you'll have three seasons of glory
The Big Ten teams play enough spread offenses that they know how to defend it. I don't think Meyer's success will depend on any type of surprise; success will depend on his ability to teach execution and to attract a great defensive mind to run the other side of the team.
Quote from: grumbler on November 29, 2011, 07:36:13 AM
Quote from: Rasputin on November 28, 2011, 02:58:10 PM
correct; you'll have two seasons of glory before the rest of the big ten figures out how to defense it....if you stumble across a tim tebow type along the way, you'll have three seasons of glory
The Big Ten teams play enough spread offenses that they know how to defend it. I don't think Meyer's success will depend on any type of surprise; success will depend on his ability to teach execution and to attract a great defensive mind to run the other side of the team.
he runs a very unique "spread" that in many respects is a gussied up wing t offense. If the big ten already lnows how to defense the wing t then he will have little success at ohio. Im skeptical that they really see that much of it though but i dont know. Execution is not enough with the wing t. There is a reason major teams stopped using it in the thirties. Variations of it have come back into vogue under different names (eg the wildcat) but myers brand of it depends in large part on being the only team his opponents face that use it in large doses. If you look at his offenses at florida you will see a steady decline in production over his last three years as fsu and the sec started figuring out how to defense it.
In five years, Meyer will be coaching at Arizona State, happily running a spreadtard offense against RichRod's Wildcats.
Some of my friends are wildly optimistic about the Meyer pick. We'll see...
Ok, I am over last week. This is UWyo vs Colorado State week, playing for the Bronze Boot. Wyoming needs to get things done and finish 8-4, not make CSU's pathetic year. CSU is all that is bad about football, they are Aggies at heart and Greenies to the core. Wyoming, the beacon of all that is pure and right will have to smite them.
(oh God I hope so)
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 29, 2011, 01:08:44 PM
Some of my friends are wildly optimistic about the Meyer pick. We'll see...
I think he is a great catch for OSU, but that OSU is a crappy catch for him. He'll be under the same pressures that drove him out at Florida, but without the recruiting base he had down south. I don't see him lasting.
You mean hot coeds?
The spread run that Meyer runs isn't something that once you "figure it out" it's just totally going to collapse. With the right O-line and good running backs you can move the football against anyone with it. Success isn't based on your offense being surprising.
LSU runs a very straight forward, ho-hum rush heavy offense that focuses on pounding the ball and then throwing PA to keep the defense honest. When you have the right amount of talent all you need is some degree of consistency in moving the ball on the ground and you don't have to worry about the rest.
The key is to have a good defense to go along with it, which LSU has. If Meyer has a decent defense all he needs is a viable offense that is consistent and he'll win most of his games every year, just like Tressel did.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 29, 2011, 02:01:39 PM
You mean hot coeds?
That was a great rumor while it lasted! :thumbsup:
The real issue is he can't handle losing. When he already feels like shit about losing, and someone gets on his case about losing, the result is ugly for everyone.
He doesn't lose often, to be sure. He's not going to win ten games next year, though. Probably seven or eight.
Quote from: PDH on November 29, 2011, 01:45:20 PM
Ok, I am over last week. This is UWyo vs Colorado State week, playing for the Bronze Boot. Wyoming needs to get things done and finish 8-4, not make CSU's pathetic year. CSU is all that is bad about football, they are Aggies at heart and Greenies to the core. Wyoming, the beacon of all that is pure and right will have to smite them.
(oh God I hope so)
Greenies?
Greenies are unreconstructed Coloradans.
Quote from: PDH on November 29, 2011, 05:27:00 PM
Greenies are unreconstructed Coloradans.
I am ignorant in the ways of the perfidious Coloradans, what sins have they committed that necessitates their reconstruction?
Meyer's success or lack thereof the next few years are going to depend more on what sanctions Ohio State ultimately ends up getting than on anything else.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 29, 2011, 06:15:01 PM
Quote from: PDH on November 29, 2011, 05:27:00 PM
Greenies are unreconstructed Coloradans.
I am ignorant in the ways of the perfidious Coloradans, what sins have they committed that necessitates their reconstruction?
You don't understand anything about college football, do you?
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 29, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
The spread run that Meyer runs isn't something that once you "figure it out" it's just totally going to collapse. With the right O-line and good running backs you can move the football against anyone with it. Success isn't based on your offense being surprising.
LSU runs a very straight forward, ho-hum rush heavy offense that focuses on pounding the ball and then throwing PA to keep the defense honest. When you have the right amount of talent all you need is some degree of consistency in moving the ball on the ground and you don't have to worry about the rest.
The key is to have a good defense to go along with it, which LSU has. If Meyer has a decent defense all he needs is a viable offense that is consistent and he'll win most of his games every year, just like Tressel did.
talent being equal, some offenses are simply easier to defend than others. myers brand of wing t does not do well once its been figured out
Just heard on the radio that Washington State is going to offer their HC job to Mike Leach and he is going to accept.
Fantastic move by the Coogs.
I am just glad he didn't got to ASU, which I was worried about.
I think it will be cool having Leach in the Pac-12. I think he wanted the Arizona job bad though.
Pullman. Uggh.
Quote from: Rasputin on November 30, 2011, 09:00:19 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 29, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
The spread run that Meyer runs isn't something that once you "figure it out" it's just totally going to collapse. With the right O-line and good running backs you can move the football against anyone with it. Success isn't based on your offense being surprising.
LSU runs a very straight forward, ho-hum rush heavy offense that focuses on pounding the ball and then throwing PA to keep the defense honest. When you have the right amount of talent all you need is some degree of consistency in moving the ball on the ground and you don't have to worry about the rest.
The key is to have a good defense to go along with it, which LSU has. If Meyer has a decent defense all he needs is a viable offense that is consistent and he'll win most of his games every year, just like Tressel did.
talent being equal, some offenses are simply easier to defend than others. myers brand of wing t does not do well once its been figured out
Given the talent that Ohio State can attract, in a normal year they should finish no worse than 3rd in the Big Can't Count if they ran the single wing.
Quote from: dps on November 30, 2011, 06:34:14 PM
... Big Can't Count ...
This doesn't narrow things down very much (though it excludes the Big Don't Know Geography, the Don't Know Geography Twelve, and the Don't Even Know How Many Coasts We Are On Coast Conference). :lol:
:lol:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FS14UJ.jpg&hash=9d7f28d811761299027b2978cd381369b63277bb)
Is that some alternative history thing where Moses was the head coach of Wandering in the Desert U?
Quote from: grumbler on December 01, 2011, 07:47:23 AM
This doesn't narrow things down very much (though it excludes the Big Don't Know Geography, the Don't Know Geography Twelve, and the Don't Even Know How Many Coasts We Are On Coast Conference). :lol:
Our conference name is dreadfully inaccurate but it never referred to geography at all.
Quote from: Valmy on December 02, 2011, 09:05:00 PM
Is that some alternative history thing where Moses was the head coach of Wandering in the Desert U?
The damn helmets aren't even gray. I want to break Tim's computer. Then torture the artist.
I hate rivalry games. Hate. Sure, Wyoming is the better team this year, but the damn greenies will play better just because. I want a blowout (like last year), where Wyoming does nothing wrong and CSU does nothing right because that is how it should be.
Still, the game will be close just to piss me off.
Well, well, well...UCLA's certainly come out spirited in the 3rd quarter.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 02, 2011, 10:33:28 PM
Well, well, well...UCLA's certainly come out spirited in the 3rd quarter.
TAINT!
How about throwing some of that taint Oregon's way?
Wyoming wins the 103rd (102nd official since Wyoming didn't attend due to rules disputes in 1898), border war, 22-19. A freshaman quarterback, a good take-away but poor run defense, and a so-so offense manage to go 8-4 this season.
Geez, it is hard too root for a winning team, how do all the timmy homers do it?
I really hope you guys are watching the Big 10 championship. Wisconsin and Michigan State are burning down the barn.
Just caught the improvised hook and ladder and the 2 point conversion.
If Cousins ends up in the Bigs he better not try that triple coverage crossing route pass.
Wisconsin cheerleaders have some fucking phenomenal skin tone.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 03, 2011, 09:25:49 PM
Wisconsin cheerleaders have some fucking phenomenal skin tone.
I really think they're the hottest in the Big 10. Could be they're complemented by all that white, but then again, dairy does make your coat shine.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2011, 09:22:49 PM
I really hope you guys are watching the Big 10 championship. Wisconsin and Michigan State are burning down the barn.
I almost skipped it, but I like the wisky qb.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 03, 2011, 09:25:49 PM
Just caught the improvised hook and ladder and the 2 point conversion.
If Cousins ends up in the Bigs he better not try that triple coverage crossing route pass.
Wisconsin cheerleaders have some fucking phenomenal skin tone.
Southern Miss's defeat of Houston ends the projected matchup of Houston and Michigan in the Sugar. Too bad. I was looking forward to seeing that Michigan defense dismantle the Houston offense. This outcome surprises me.
It may help Michigan get to the top 14 in the BCS, though. I imagine Houston will tumble past Michigan, since their only asset was being unbeaten (a four-point win over UCLA being their best win).
:unsure:
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2011, 09:40:46 PM
I almost skipped it, but I like the wisky qb.
Will you still be able to say that when Dayne Crist is quarterbacking them next year?
OU is getting annihilated by the Pokes. They're not needing a comeback anymore...it would take more of a miracle at this point.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2011, 10:46:53 PM
OU is getting annihilated by the Pokes. They're not needing a comeback anymore...it would take more of a miracle at this point.
It's too bad LSU didn't lose, the controversy would have been delicious.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 03, 2011, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2011, 10:46:53 PM
OU is getting annihilated by the Pokes. They're not needing a comeback anymore...it would take more of a miracle at this point.
It's too bad LSU didn't lose, the controversy would have been delicious.
You'll have to settle for Ok St vs. Alabama for second spot.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 03, 2011, 10:50:47 PM
It's too bad LSU didn't lose, the controversy would have been delicious.
Georgia went full retard, unfortunately.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2011, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 03, 2011, 10:50:47 PM
It's too bad LSU didn't lose, the controversy would have been delicious.
Georgia went full retard, unfortunately.
Their defense started so well too.
Great TD by MSU there.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 03, 2011, 11:00:56 PM
Their defense started so well too.
Great TD by MSU there.
Aw man I missed it; just switched over. What happened?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2011, 11:05:25 PM
Aw man I missed it; just switched over. What happened?
Crossing route, defender got semi-picked.
Loved the doo rag hit.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 03, 2011, 11:08:01 PM
Loved the doo rag hit.
You know you got popped when your doo-rag flies farther than your helmet.
Quote from: PDH on December 03, 2011, 06:02:31 PM
Wyoming wins the 103rd (102nd official since Wyoming didn't attend due to rules disputes in 1898), border war, 22-19. A freshaman quarterback, a good take-away but poor run defense, and a so-so offense manage to go 8-4 this season.
Geez, it is hard too root for a winning team, how do all the timmy homers do it?
8-4 a winning team for the Timmy Homers? Notre Dame went 8-4 this year and their fans on this board seemed to have bailed on them after week 2 :P
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2011, 11:27:25 PM
8-4 a winning team for the Timmy Homers? Notre Dame went 8-4 this year and their fans on this board seemed to have bailed on them after week 2 :P
Holy Mother Church does not suffer disappointment well.
Gus Johnson really wears on me. 5 yard out routes don't need that much excitement.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2011, 10:46:53 PM
OU is getting annihilated by the Pokes. They're not needing a comeback anymore...it would take more of a miracle at this point.
Tonight OU really does suck.
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2011, 11:27:25 PM
8-4 a winning team for the Timmy Homers? Notre Dame went 8-4 this year and their fans on this board seemed to have bailed on them after week 2 :P
You'd think by now ND fans would have learned to be happy with 8-4.
:lol: Nice job, Sparty.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2011, 11:51:43 PM
:lol: Nice job, Sparty.
I've been rooting for Wisconsin in both these match-ups, but that was a chicken shit call. Fantastic acting job, though.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2011, 11:52:29 PM
I've been rooting for Wisconsin in both these match-ups, but that was a chicken shit call. Fantastic acting job, though.
Running into the kicker is running into the kicker. Dude clearly hit the leg, when...well....why the fuck was he even there in the first place?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2011, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2011, 11:52:29 PM
I've been rooting for Wisconsin in both these match-ups, but that was a chicken shit call. Fantastic acting job, though.
Running into the kicker is running into the kicker. Dude clearly hit the leg, when...well....why the fuck was he even there in the first place?
This is true. Shouldn't have been rushing the punter at that point of the game. I put that on poor coaching and substandard Michigan State education.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2011, 11:56:41 PM
substandard Michigan State education.
:lol: My wife said something similar. Is Michigan State just continuously ridiculed up there in snow country?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2011, 11:28:25 PM
Gus Johnson really wears on me. 5 yard out routes don't need that much excitement.
:lol: Did you hear his Howard Dean howl on Wisconsin's 4th & 6 completion?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 04, 2011, 12:04:48 AM
:lol: Did you hear his Howard Dean howl on Wisconsin's 4th & 6 completion?
:lol: Yeah, I thought he was going to stroke out in the booth.
The panel on the post-game show on Fox has three black guys. Obviously Rupert Murdoch has no knowledge of, or control over, his own sports division.
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2011, 11:27:25 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 03, 2011, 06:02:31 PM
Wyoming wins the 103rd (102nd official since Wyoming didn't attend due to rules disputes in 1898), border war, 22-19. A freshaman quarterback, a good take-away but poor run defense, and a so-so offense manage to go 8-4 this season.
Geez, it is hard too root for a winning team, how do all the timmy homers do it?
8-4 a winning team for the Timmy Homers? Notre Dame went 8-4 this year and their fans on this board seemed to have bailed on them after week 2 :P
I still watched their games when I could.
Fuck you, Timmay. You're the Irish sports taint version of an army of pedophile priests.
Here you go Seedy. I was messing around with some stuff and decided to capture this play in all its glory:
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2011, 11:28:20 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2011, 11:27:25 PM
8-4 a winning team for the Timmy Homers? Notre Dame went 8-4 this year and their fans on this board seemed to have bailed on them after week 2 :P
Holy Mother Church does not suffer disappointment well.
But it does suffer disappointment often. I've stopped keeping track of their coaching merry-go-round. Is the guy who trashed all the players he didn't recruit still there?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 04, 2011, 12:00:12 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2011, 11:56:41 PM
substandard Michigan State education.
:lol: My wife said something similar. Is Michigan State just continuously ridiculed up there in snow country?
Pretty much (though, to be sure, they are probably on a par with OSU and PSU academically). The non-flagship schools in pretty much every state are esteemed less, but the Sparties try their best t pretend that they
are the flagship school, knowing full well that they would have gone to Michigan themselves, had they been accepted.
That baying noise you will hear when MSU doesn't get the BCS invite and Michigan does (despite the fact that MSU beat Michigan and is probably the better team) will be music to my ears. The fact of the matter (as demonstrated by the fact that the B10 CG committee had to pay people to fill the seats) is that your typical Sparty fan can't get the time off work to attend bowl games, and can't afford the tickets if he/she could get the day off.
Quote from: grumbler on December 03, 2011, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 03, 2011, 09:25:49 PM
Just caught the improvised hook and ladder and the 2 point conversion.
If Cousins ends up in the Bigs he better not try that triple coverage crossing route pass.
Wisconsin cheerleaders have some fucking phenomenal skin tone.
Southern Miss's defeat of Houston ends the projected matchup of Houston and Michigan in the Sugar. Too bad. I was looking forward to seeing that Michigan defense dismantle the Houston offense. This outcome surprises me.
It may help Michigan get to the top 14 in the BCS, though. I imagine Houston will tumble past Michigan, since their only asset was being unbeaten (a four-point win over UCLA being their best win).
The USM-Houston result is totally unsurprising, since you can guarantee a USM win when it will damage their prospects and those of C-USA as a whole the most.
Quote from: Scipio on December 04, 2011, 07:54:15 AM
The USM-Houston result is totally unsurprising, since you can guarantee a USM win when it will damage their prospects and those of C-USA as a whole the most.
I don't follow them, but they sound like the Boilermakers of the South.
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2011, 11:27:25 PM
8-4 a winning team for the Timmy Homers? Notre Dame went 8-4 this year and their fans on this board seemed to have bailed on them after week 2 :P
8-4 is sweet, sweet music to the fan of a team that made 4 wins in 3 years less than a decade ago. Heck, even people who used to only pretend to like football came to some games this year...
Quote from: grumbler on December 04, 2011, 07:16:10 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2011, 11:28:20 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2011, 11:27:25 PM
8-4 a winning team for the Timmy Homers? Notre Dame went 8-4 this year and their fans on this board seemed to have bailed on them after week 2 :P
Holy Mother Church does not suffer disappointment well.
But it does suffer disappointment often. I've stopped keeping track of their coaching merry-go-round. Is the guy who trashed all the players he didn't recruit still there?
Yes. :(
Quote from: grumbler on December 04, 2011, 07:27:51 AMPretty much (though, to be sure, they are probably on a par with OSU and PSU academically). The non-flagship schools in pretty much every state are esteemed less, but the Sparties try their best t pretend that they are the flagship school, knowing full well that they would have gone to Michigan themselves, had they been accepted.
What's wrong with OSU? It's like 55th in the country by the rankings.
But the real question is, why do people feel the need to insult the educational quality of other schools? Last I checked all the schools in major conferences in football are accredited by regional bodies that all have the same criteria for accrediting schools and programs. Now, some of the schools are AAU schools and some aren't, but AAU membership isn't a matter of accreditation but rather academic prestige.
I don't think anyone will deny that schools like Virginia, UC-Berkeley ("Cal"), Stanford, Texas, Michigan are more
selective than say OSU, PSU or Michigan State, but for an undergraduate how is the education materially different? Are we to believe that at Ohio State mandatory calculus classes teach a different form of calculus than is taught at Michigan and Stanford?
I don't doubt, and in fact I know, that if you're going into academia the more prestigious schools are better in important ways. Namely when you go into graduate school you start to work very closely with the professors and at a level of instruction where the professor's expertise is really important. But most of the undergraduate courses from Harvard to Stanford to State U. are essentially taught in the same fashion. Isaac Newton wouldn't necessarily be a better Calc I teacher than some professor at Virginia Tech.
Quote from: PDH on December 04, 2011, 09:02:03 AM
8-4 is sweet, sweet music to the fan of a team that made 4 wins in 3 years less than a decade ago. Heck, even people who used to only pretend to like football came to some games this year...
I know I just liked your characterization of rooting for 8-4 Wyoming making it less fun because it felt like you were a fan of some powerhouse.
I guess TCU is BCS bound that means a better bowl for all the rest of the MWC. What will it be?
Texas is going to the Holiday Bowl baby! Against Cal I would bet.
Poor Oklahoma st., they came so close to passing Alabama in both polls! :lol:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/
Yeah that is not very funny. My poor Uncle will be devastated.
Ah well.
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2011, 07:32:04 PM
Yeah that is not very funny. My poor Uncle will be devastated.
Ah well.
Maybe the computers will put them over the top? They beat more ranked teams than Alabama.
So the Texas AD released a statement saying Brown will be there for a long time? Is that code for "Brown may be let go?"
I don't think they'll boot Mack Brown over this year and last year, but I think if he doesn't win 9+ next year maybe something could happen.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 04, 2011, 07:50:30 PM
So the Texas AD released a statement saying Brown will be there for a long time? Is that code for "Brown may be let go?"
I don't think they'll boot Mack Brown over this year and last year, but I think if he doesn't win 9+ next year maybe something could happen.
There was some stupid twitter rumor that Mack Brown was going to retire after the Bayor game. At first they just said it wasn't worth their time, but reporters were asking Brown about it (he said he wasn't going anywhere), and they mentioned it during the game, etc, so I would think this is their official response.
Twitter is the worst thing.
Was it a twitter rumor? The announcers said they picked up the rumor from the airport shuttle driver. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 04, 2011, 08:11:46 PM
Was it a twitter rumor? The announcers said they picked up the rumor from the airport shuttle driver. :lol:
It started, I think, on twitter with someone "reporting" that a radio dude in....somewhere in Kansas I think it was.....was saying Mack was retiring, and just snowballed.
Edit: Okay, I found the post. It was because of a tweet by this guy Jake Lebahn, who is the "sports director" for WIBW in fuckin Topeka of all places. If he didn't start it, then I don't know where it came from. vOv
Signs that need to reduce amount of bowl games....
Matchup: Illinois (6-6) vs. UCLA (6-7)
QuoteFlorida (6-6) and Ohio State (6-6) at 1 p.m., on Jan. 2 at EverBank Field in Jacksonville, Fla.
Ugh. The battle of the two cripples.
Hey Washington and Baylor in the Alamo Bowl. I might go ahead and get some tickets for that one.
IMO there ought to be a change to the rules that no 6-win team can get a bowl invite unless all teams with 7+ wins have received invites.
A 6 win BCS school would crush a 7 win MAC school.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 04, 2011, 09:04:54 PM
QuoteFlorida (6-6) and Ohio State (6-6) at 1 p.m., on Jan. 2 at EverBank Field in Jacksonville, Fla.
Ugh. The battle of the two cripples.
The Irony Bowl.
Sigh, the New Mexico Bowl. Red Chili and a large faux-mesa india piece of pottery. Temple will likely come in and stomp the Pokes because...well, just because.
TCU and Boise, despite high finishes, get the schlep bowls - Boise State has to be the highest ranked team to play in the Las Vegas Bowl...sheesh.
If Boise got screwed, then they got it right.
Quote from: dps on December 04, 2011, 09:10:43 PM
IMO there ought to be a change to the rules that no 6-win team can get a bowl invite unless all teams with 7+ wins have received invites.
Why? The bowls are post-season money-makers. They aren't about "fair," and they never have been.
The Big Ten got ten teams into bowls this year, which means they have unfavorable matchups in just about all of them.
Penn State's No-Offense team versus Houston's No-Defense team might be one of the better matchups. I don't see Ohio, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Spurty, or Penn State winning. Iowa versus Oklahoma? :bleeding: Michigan and Illinois should be okay. Purdue v Western Michigan and Northwestern v A&M are tossups.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 04, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
If Boise got screwed, then they got it right.
Las Vegas Bowl, baby!
Or whatever the exact name is now. Against Arizona State.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 04, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
If Boise got screwed, then they got it right.
This year, they pretty much screwed themselves.
TCU has a much better argument about being screwed.
Boise is likely one and done in the Mountain West so they can kiss off. Still, K-State and Boise in chump bowls despite their rankings sort of shows the system at its finest.
Quote from: PDH on December 04, 2011, 09:20:01 PM
Sigh, the New Mexico Bowl. Red Chili and a large faux-mesa india piece of pottery. Temple will likely come in and stomp the Pokes because...well, just because.
TCU and Boise, despite high finishes, get the schlep bowls - Boise State has to be the highest ranked team to play in the Las Vegas Bowl...sheesh.
Yeah that was a disappointing destination for Wyoming. But then so did Boise and TCU. A great year for the MWC just got crapped on.
Oh well, on the bright side, it is the last year (likely) that the Mountain West will have two top 20 teams at the end of the season! Bye bye, TCU...bye bye Boise!
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 09:39:28 AM
Oh well, on the bright side, it is the last year (likely) that the Mountain West will have two top 20 teams at the end of the season! Bye bye, TCU...bye bye Boise!
TCU changes conferences more often then Oregon changes uniforms.
TCU is not gonna be top dawg in the Big Texas Conference...hell, they only beat Wyoming by 11.
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 09:44:06 AM
TCU is not gonna be top dawg in the Big Texas Conference...hell, they only beat Wyoming by 11.
Oklahoma will not let Texas turn it into the Big Texas though. The condition for bringing in TCU was 'no more Texas teams'. That's ok I never liked the University of Houston or SMU much anyway. So instead we got West Virginia, it helps the Okies feel sophisticated.
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2011, 09:46:13 AM
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 09:44:06 AM
TCU is not gonna be top dawg in the Big Texas Conference...hell, they only beat Wyoming by 11.
Oklahoma will not let Texas turn it into the Big Texas though. The condition for bringing in TCU was 'no more Texas teams'. That's ok I never liked the University of Houston or SMU much anyway. So instead we got West Virginia, it helps the Okies feel sophisticated.
You guys gonna take Louisville and Cincinnati? They're pretty desperate to bail ship on the Big East.
I would love it if the Big East collapses just as Boise joins...serves them right. Oh, TCU? Ask Utah how that move to a power conference went.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 09:50:40 AM
You guys gonna take Louisville and Cincinnati? They're pretty desperate to bail ship on the Big East.
For all of Valmy's influence in the high-stakes world of college football, I do not think he is one of the guys making that decision.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 09:50:40 AM
You guys gonna take Louisville and Cincinnati? They're pretty desperate to bail ship on the Big East.
If it were not the TV networks basically telling them not to destroy the Big East the Big 12 would have taken Louisville already. I still think they will within the next couple years and Louisville seems to be telling their recruits they are going to be in the Big 12 soon.
As for Cincinnati I do not know. The Big 12 is one of the conferences trying to lure Notre Dame so I think there is a bit of a wait and see on anybody who is not Louisville. They can offer ND total control over alot of their TV content which the ACC and Big 10 cannot and I think the league thinks that might be a winning play. But obviously it would be silly for other reasons.
So anyway almost positive on Louisville, as positive as one can be about this crazy re-alignment stuff.
I have to say though watching a 10 team conference with a round robin schedule has been great and when/if they go back to 12 I will miss it.
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 09:54:12 AM
I would love it if the Big East collapses just as Boise joins...serves them right. Oh, TCU? Ask Utah how that move to a power conference went.
TCU still has the coach that made them great though, that counts for a lot doesn't it?
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2011, 09:58:48 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 09:50:40 AM
You guys gonna take Louisville and Cincinnati? They're pretty desperate to bail ship on the Big East.
If it were not the TV networks basically telling them not to destroy the Big East the Big 12 would have taken Louisville already. I still think they will within the next couple years and Louisville seems to be telling their recruits they were going to be in the Big 12 soon.
As for Cincinnati I do not know. The Big 12 is one of the conferences trying to lure Notre Dame so I think there is a bit of a wait and see on anybody who is not Louisville. They can offer ND total control over alot of their TV content which the ACC and Big 10 cannot and I think the league thinks that might be a winning play. But obviously it would be silly for other reasons.
So anyway almost positive on Louisville, as positive as one can be about this crazy re-alignment stuff.
Well, I don't think Notre Dame will join, so if not Cincinnati then who would be the 12th team?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 10:01:40 AM
Well, I don't think Notre Dame will join, so if not Cincinnati then who would be the 12th team?
I do not think so either. Supposedly ND will let them know soon though. But BYU is another candidate.
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2011, 10:05:39 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 10:01:40 AM
Well, I don't think Notre Dame will join, so if not Cincinnati then who would be the 12th team?
I do not think so either. Supposedly ND will let them know soon though. But BYU is another candidate.
Wouldn't Cincinnati make more sense travel wise?
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 09:54:12 AM
I would love it if the Big East collapses just as Boise joins...serves them right. Oh, TCU? Ask Utah how that move to a power conference went.
Did Boise say yes to the Big Least? I was under the impression that whole thing was still up in the air.
BYU, San Diego State (a real football power there), and Boise will make up the core of the Big East (west). Just my opinion, Boise's only real problem has been finding a place for all the other, non-important sports.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 10:06:33 AM
Wouldn't Cincinnati make more sense travel wise?
They both seem equally bad in that sense.
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2011, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 10:06:33 AM
Wouldn't Cincinnati make more sense travel wise?
They both seem equally bad in that sense.
Cincinnati's at least close by to West Virginia and Louisville.
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 10:07:14 AM
BYU, San Diego State (a real football power there), and Boise will make up the core of the Big East (west). Just my opinion, Boise's only real problem has been finding a place for all the other, non-important sports.
LOL
BYU said no to the Big East. Or at least 'I have a headache, call back tommorow'.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 10:08:31 AM
Cincinnati's at least close by to West Virginia and Louisville.
They are also a commuter school with a smallish and apathetic fanbase. Urban schools tend to be bad for College Football, even TCU can struggle to fill its stadium.
Yeah, BYU wants to keep its own TV network AND get a bigger piece of the pie in a conference. Good luck there :)
I really do think that Boise will jump if they get a football only partner from the west to go along - and it looks like that lapdog is San Diego State...
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 10:10:29 AM
Yeah, BYU wants to keep its own TV network AND get a bigger piece of the pie in a conference. Good luck there :)
Yeah they tried to strongarm the Big 12 as well. They are the most delusional school in all of sports. They think they are Notre Dame and USC combined or something.
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 10:10:29 AM
I really do think that Boise will jump if they get a football only partner from the west to go along - and it looks like that lapdog is San Diego State...
Yeah um...the intense rivalry between the close rivals in Boise and San Diego burns ever brightly.
San Diego operates under a huge inferiority complex as it is only an "SU" in California. They so want to stop eating at the kids table. Boise is just sure that they are a team of destiny (despite not having a place kicker...ever), and will lead on the delusional if it helps their journey to the promised land.
San Diego does have a pretty cool team name though, I'll give them that.
I liked this quote from the Texas Tribune from a Texas Politician about whether the State Government will pass a law requiring Texas and Texas A&M to play each other:
QuoteI couldn't imagine a less important issue to occupy our time. So, of course, that means we'll blow weeks and weeks on it.
Sad but true :P
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2011, 10:10:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 10:08:31 AM
Cincinnati's at least close by to West Virginia and Louisville.
They are also a commuter school with a smallish and apathetic fanbase. Urban schools tend to be bad for College Football, even TCU can struggle to fill its stadium.
I don't even think they reach the lofty heights of 'apathetic'.
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 09:54:12 AM
Oh, TCU? Ask Utah how that move to a power conference went.
Utah is going to a bowl game, and in a couple years will be rolling around in piles of cash they could only dream about a year ago.
I am pretty sure their answer would be "Just fine, thanks for asking!"
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2011, 12:17:53 PM
tah is going to a bowl game, and in a couple years will be rolling around in piles of cash they could only dream about a year ago.
I am pretty sure their answer would be "Just fine, thanks for asking!"
PAC 12 homer
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 10:40:33 AM
San Diego does have a pretty cool team name though, I'll give them that.
Racist.
Playoffs. :weep: :(
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 05, 2011, 12:43:12 PM
Playoffs. :weep: :(
I am with you here.
But not like in the Maritimes Canadian College Football thing where the last place team gets into the playoffs :P
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 12:34:11 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2011, 12:17:53 PM
tah is going to a bowl game, and in a couple years will be rolling around in piles of cash they could only dream about a year ago.
I am pretty sure their answer would be "Just fine, thanks for asking!"
PAC 12 homer
Yeah, only a homer could think an extra $20 million/year would not suck.
If anyone is having second thoughts about Utah to the Pac-12, it is the Pac-12...not Utah.
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2011, 12:51:53 PM
Yeah, only a homer could think an extra $20 million/year would not suck.
If anyone is having second thoughts about Utah to the Pac-12, it is the Pac-12...not Utah.
Don't try and justify your outrageous and indefensible homerism.
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 12:54:54 PM
Don't try and justify your outrageous and indefensible homerism.
:lol:
But seriously Utah and Colorado: clearly the PAC 12 hit the jack pot there.
The New Mexico Bowl Trophy - Woohoo!
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 12:54:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2011, 12:51:53 PM
Yeah, only a homer could think an extra $20 million/year would not suck.
If anyone is having second thoughts about Utah to the Pac-12, it is the Pac-12...not Utah.
Don't try and justify your outrageous and indefensible homerism.
Did you see Arizona this year?
Outrageous Pac-12 homerism is all I have!
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2011, 01:21:01 PM
Did you see Arizona this year?
Outrageous Pac-12 homerism is all I have!
You have Rich Rod now so all will be...better I guess. I hope he recruits better than Stoops.
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2011, 01:23:46 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2011, 01:21:01 PM
Did you see Arizona this year?
Outrageous Pac-12 homerism is all I have!
You have Rich Rod now so all will be...better I guess. I hope he recruits better than Stoops.
Unfortunately for 'Zona, RR is reassembling his Michigan coaching staff there. The defensive backs coach who coached a squad that RR claimed "couldn't have been coached into competence if Vince Lombardi himself coached them" and went from 108th-best to 18th-best in the country with said coach's departure? You got 'im.
The offensive line coach and strength coach are outstanding, though.
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2011, 12:55:22 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 12:54:54 PM
Don't try and justify your outrageous and indefensible homerism.
:lol:
But seriously Utah and Colorado: clearly the PAC 12 hit the jack pot there.
Utah went 4-5 in conference, so they may be "meh" but they clearly aren't punching above their weight. Colorado is another story.
Quote from: dps on December 05, 2011, 05:54:11 PM
Utah went 4-5 in conference, so they may be "meh" but they clearly aren't punching above their weight. Colorado is another story.
Oh did they? Good for them they must have come on strong at the end. I know they started off with a bit of a losing streak.
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2011, 06:09:53 PM
Quote from: dps on December 05, 2011, 05:54:11 PM
Utah went 4-5 in conference, so they may be "meh" but they clearly aren't punching above their weight. Colorado is another story.
Oh did they? Good for them they must have come on strong at the end. I know they started off with a bit of a losing streak.
They played Arizona, which got their confidence back.
Hey grumbler, did you read "Three and Out"?
It is getting a lot of positive press on the Arizona board, including plenty from a batch of Michigan fans who've shown up recently...
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2011, 12:55:54 PM
The New Mexico Bowl Trophy - Woohoo!
I think I shat in one of those in Europe.....
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2011, 06:11:51 PM
Hey grumbler, did you read "Three and Out"?
It is getting a lot of positive press on the Arizona board, including plenty from a batch of Michigan fans who've shown up recently...
I've heard it's a good read as well, I've probably read 3-4 sports books in my entire life (all baseball oriented), and only then when they are massively recommended by lots of non-sports people. Most books about a coach or about a team are just boring/poorly written, but I've heard Three and Out might be worth a read.
Personally I think the importance of coaches is dramatically overrated at all levels of sports. All I can say is the importance of a coach is somewhere between "not important at all" and "as important as everyone thinks it is." That's an un-intellectual cop out, but the way I've seen it is lots of coaches (especially in the NFL) get dropped into horrible situations and get fired and you never hear about them much again, and a lot of the famous coaches get dropped into situations where a lot of other guys would have succeeded as well.
Let's take for example Butch Davis, he never won a national championship at Miami. After his final season, Larry Coker takes over in 2001 and immediately wins a national championship and the next season he returns to the national championship and loses a close game with OSU.
Was Coker a better coach than Butch Davis? How does the fact that Coker's teams only got steadily worse factor in? Was that just bad luck or a sign he genuinely lacked whatever ephemeral skills there are that allow a coach to build a good team.
Urban Meyer, he had success everywhere but in every place he went he left pretty quickly, what would Florida have looked like in year 20 of a 20 year Urban Meyer tenure? Would he have continued to win national championships or would he have ended up being quietly "retired" (with dignity out of respect for bringing home the big prize 2 times.)
His first NC was almost entirely with players he didn't recruit, and his second NC was almost entirely attributable to what can only be said to be good luck. Tim Tebow was one of the top QB prospects in the nation, he was heavily recruited all over the country, but he grew up in Florida and ended up going to the best football school in the state. That's not a sign of any magical recruiting ability, I'm pretty sure Tebow was going to play for the Florida Gators regardless of who was their head coach.
I'm not trying to single in on Meyer, but I genuinely wonder how do you evaluate someone with no real material record out there of long term success. With guys like Beamer, Bowden, Hayes, Schembechler, even Stoops, the consistently high level of player year in and year out, stretching into the decades, that to me "smooths out" the random "luck." Frank Beamer got lucky in his career with Michael Vick, but he's still had a high level of success at a school not known for being a football power before his arrival, and that success has been consistent for 2 decades. That to me says we know Frank Beamer really has the stuff that builds dynasties.
The fact that Urban Meyer has done things at his short tenure that his predecessors couldn't, and mostly with their players, tells me Meyer has
something too, but it may not be the same skillset of a Bowden and a Beamer. It may not just be that Meyer has moved a lot, it may be that he has to move a lot because he lacks the ability or the particular skillset required to build a long term dynasty...
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2011, 06:11:51 PM
Hey grumbler, did you read "Three and Out"?
It is getting a lot of positive press on the Arizona board, including plenty from a batch of Michigan fans who've shown up recently...
I've read so much about it at mgoblog.com that I'm not in a big hurry to read it. Probably over Christmas.
The whole Practicegate thing apparently turns out to be a minor bookkeeping issue blown out of proportion by the Detroit News in search of a story. It is irritating that it went so far, but that is mostly the fault of the GA who was supposed to keep the records and ended up lying to cover the fact that he didn't know how. That's a bit of a black mark on RR, but not so bad as to warrant the sanctions handed down.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 05, 2011, 12:36:06 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 10:40:33 AM
San Diego does have a pretty cool team name though, I'll give them that.
Racist.
How is that anymore racist than naming a team the Spartans or the Vikings?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 05, 2011, 12:36:06 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2011, 10:40:33 AM
San Diego does have a pretty cool team name though, I'll give them that.
Racist.
How is that anymore racist than naming a team the Spartans or the Vikings?
No more racist, but as racist.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 05, 2011, 08:15:29 PM
It may not just be that Meyer has moved a lot, it may be that he has to move a lot because he lacks the ability or the particular skillset required to build a long term dynasty...
Or Mrs. Meyer gets tired of him porking the coeds.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 05, 2011, 08:15:29 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2011, 06:11:51 PM
Hey grumbler, did you read "Three and Out"?
It is getting a lot of positive press on the Arizona board, including plenty from a batch of Michigan fans who've shown up recently...
...Tim Tebow was one of the top QB prospects in the nation, he was heavily recruited all over the country, but he grew up in Florida and ended up going to the best football school in the state. ...
:lol:
Yeah, the 'Canes have 5 national championships to the Gators' 3.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 06, 2011, 08:37:39 AM
Yeah, the 'Canes have 5 national championships to the Gators' 3.
dear dorsey,
fuck you too.
very truly yours,
plj
If was 1980-2003 I wouldn't have said Florida was the best football school in the state. But by the time Tebow signed his LOI with Florida the Hurricanes were clearly in a downward spiral with widespread disciplinary problems, poor on field performance and etc.
It really is amazing that Miami won 5 national championships over a 23 year span, and was all around dominating (with more wins over that span than I believe anyone other than Nebraska.) What really makes it amazing is unlike Nebraska or even Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State etc, is Miami did it with virtually no serious fan or alumni support. Miami is a small school with no real national fan base that has poor attendance even at home games. They have abysmal traveling fans, one year Miami barely brought anyone to the Gator Bowl which is in their home state, for example.
Quote from: Rasputin on December 06, 2011, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 06, 2011, 08:37:39 AM
Yeah, the 'Canes have 5 national championships to the Gators' 3.
dear dorsey,
fuck you too.
very truly yours,
plj
:P
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 06, 2011, 09:42:57 AM
Miami did it with virtually no serious fan or alumni support.
I assume you don't mean they lack for boosters ($$$).
:rolleyes: otto is trolling and knows nuffin bout nuffin
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 06, 2011, 11:17:06 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 06, 2011, 09:42:57 AM
Miami did it with virtually no serious fan or alumni support.
I assume you don't mean they lack for boosters ($$$).
Maybe I'm wrong, but I do think they lack for athletic boosters. I'm not saying they don't have
any, they have one who is in prison for running a multi-million dollar Ponzi scheme, for example. But given the general state of their facilities, which have been falling apart for over a decade now, I do think they have a lack of serious booster support. Even at middle-tier SEC programs like Auburn there are boosters that would never let the athletic facilities degrade to the state Miami's were in
when they won their last championship. Let alone what they look like now.
It's hard to pay for good facilities when all your money is going to hookers, blow and abortions.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 06, 2011, 01:36:10 PM
It's hard to pay for good facilities when all your money is going to hookers, blow and abortions.
Aint that the truth. :(
Quote from: Barrister on December 06, 2011, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 06, 2011, 01:36:10 PM
It's hard to pay for good facilities when all your money is going to hookers, blow and abortions.
Aint that the truth. :(
Really? You don't think your house is good? Or just that it's hard to pay for, under the circumstances?
CBS is reporting Boise, Houston, SMU, SDSU, and UCF will be headed to the Big East:
http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/33728643
Boise is a fickle whore.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 06, 2011, 08:37:39 AM
Yeah, the 'Canes have 5 national championships to the Gators' 3.
Well, pending the bowl games, Florida State tied Florida International for the best record among the Florida schools this year...
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 06, 2011, 07:13:37 PM
Boise is a fickle whore.
They have an argument. But then again, at-large bids aren't based on possible competitiveness, but national TV fan base, the traveling fans and the $$$ they'll bring with them to the bowl.
For you Tressel fans (me), he turned down Akron. Rumors are UCLA and A&M are interested.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 09:37:56 PM
For you Tressel fans (me), he turned down Akron. Rumors are UCLA and A&M are interested.
He turned down the Zips? What a fucker.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 06, 2011, 07:13:37 PM
Boise is a fickle whore.
And how. Well they get to dominate the Big East...West...
The Big Near East
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2011, 09:37:11 PM
They have an argument. But then again, at-large bids aren't based on possible competitiveness, but national TV fan base, the traveling fans and the $$$ they'll bring with them to the bowl.
Bingo. That's why Michigan is in a BCS bowl (and was the first at-large chosen), and the far more deserving Kansas State team isn't. Michigan puts asses in seats and sells well on TV (what with their Cinderella season), while K State doesn't travel well, and doesn't even sell out its own stadium.
$$ talks.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2011, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 09:37:56 PM
For you Tressel fans (me), he turned down Akron. Rumors are UCLA and A&M are interested.
He turned down the Zips? What a fucker.
That Colts job might be in his future.
Quote from: grumbler on December 06, 2011, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2011, 09:37:11 PM
They have an argument. But then again, at-large bids aren't based on possible competitiveness, but national TV fan base, the traveling fans and the $$$ they'll bring with them to the bowl.
Bingo. That's why Michigan is in a BCS bowl (and was the first at-large chosen), and the far more deserving Kansas State team isn't. Michigan puts asses in seats and sells well on TV (what with their Cinderella season), while K State doesn't travel well, and doesn't even sell out its own stadium.
$$ talks.
As much as I enjoy the "competitive" angle as much as the next guy--and I'm just going out on a limb here--but your average Michigan alum probably earns more than 1.5 Boise State grads, and will get off from work to take the whole fucking family, while Boise State grads can't get off shift work. And the nation watches Michigan.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2011, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 09:37:56 PM
For you Tressel fans (me), he turned down Akron. Rumors are UCLA and A&M are interested.
He turned down the Zips? What a fucker.
That Colts job might be in his future.
Twice the reasons to hate them then.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2011, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2011, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 09:37:56 PM
For you Tressel fans (me), he turned down Akron. Rumors are UCLA and A&M are interested.
He turned down the Zips? What a fucker.
That Colts job might be in his future.
Twice the reasons to hate them then.
I might have to get a Colts blue sweater vest.
Now you may insult me.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 09:56:48 PM
I might have to get a Colts blue sweater vest.
Now you may insult me.
No, no...that won't be necessary. It insults itself.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 09:37:56 PM
For you Tressel fans (me), he turned down Akron. Rumors are UCLA and A&M are interested.
Akron supposedly fired Rob Ianello by phone--as he was driving to his mother's funeral. Sure, he needed to be fired, but would you want to work for dickheads like that?
So San Diego State is in the Big East....a team that has gone 39-58 in the Mountain West. Joining them as Boise State's lackeys are SMU and Houston. Wow. The money numbers bandied about have gone from 12 million per team steadily down to 3 million now, and nobody knows for sure.
I will miss some of the old college rivalries, but thankfully SDSU and Boise were never rivals. For what it is worth, Air Force says they are committed to the Moutain West.
Kansas has hired Charlie Weis to be their HC.
The Hindenburg flies again.
Quote from: grumbler on December 06, 2011, 09:47:17 PMBingo. That's why Michigan is in a BCS bowl (and was the first at-large chosen), and the far more deserving Kansas State team isn't. Michigan puts asses in seats and sells well on TV (what with their Cinderella season), while K State doesn't travel well, and doesn't even sell out its own stadium.
$$ talks.
What I still don't understand is the outrage when the big name teams get the bowl selections.
Are people totally ignorant of college football history? Up until the 90s virtually all bowl bids were essentially at the whim of the bowl committee and it was not only known but expected and accepted that bowl committees selected the team that would bring the most people and disposable income into the host city. The whole reason cities started football bowl games in the early 20th century is because they attract tourism, attention, money, and prestige.
Obviously some bowls have historical conference tie-ins, but outside of that the bowls have never been about selecting the best "skilled" team available, and as long as we have a bowl system they never will be about that.
Bowl spots are not analogous to NCAA Tournament spots in basketball, where the committee genuinely tries to select the 64(+n) teams in the country although we all know they make a few minor judgment calls in favor of more "established" programs when it comes to seeding and deciding which bubble teams get in. What's important to note is the bowls
have never claimed they were, either, so I guess I don't get why Boise, Michigan State, Kansas State and etc fans are acting like this is some great American travesty, unprecedented in human history.
FWIW I was once a die hard opponent of a tournament in IA because I felt it would kill the traditions that make college football distinct and special versus pro football. But given all that's happened in the past 2 years college football as I once loved it is dead, so I'm all for just getting the top ~70 teams in major superconferences and having some sort of post-season tournament that incorporates the traditional major bowls in some way.
I think the way it could work is you have 5 super conferences with somewhere in the neighborhood of 12-14 teams each. The conferences would, based on what I'm seeing now, be the Pac, B1G, Big-XII, SEC, ACC.
You have an 8 team playoff system. Obviously that means a Quarterfinal-Semifinal-Championship format, so with conference championship games teams that go all the way are looking at 16 games a year. If people have a problem with that I point to Montana and Alcorn State which have played up to 16 in IAA, if they can do it so can Alabama and Texas. Alternatively teams could opt not to play a IAA cupcake team every year and thus if they go to a conference championship they'll only have 12 games going into the postseason with a potential for 3 more.
I'd give the champions of the 5 major conferences auto-slots in the 8 team field. I'd make the Big East champion play against the champion of some other conference (depending on which one is strongest, C-USA or MWC, or some bastardized amalgamated conference.) The winner of that game would get an auto-slot as well. The last two slots would be available to the highest ranked teams not already in the tournament, using a ranking system similar to the current BCS standings. The only difference is I would cut one of the human polls (almost certainly the ESPN/USA Today Poll), and make the computer polls account for 50% of BCS standing instead of 33%.
A four team tournament is perfectly satisfactory to me. 8 would be ok but no more than that. I just hope they run it with the #4 playing #1 and #2 playing #3 and not have some stupid BCS-esque way of doing it.
Personally, I wish they'd eliminate the whole OT thing, and go back to no overtime.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2011, 12:39:40 AM
Personally, I wish they'd eliminate the whole OT thing, and go back to no overtime.
Well, if you're going to have a playoff format, you have to have overtime, because only 1 team can advance to the next round. But I've always thought that that's the only time that OT makes sense.
The stupidest use of OT is in the NFL pre-season.
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2011, 12:01:59 AM
A four team tournament is perfectly satisfactory to me. 8 would be ok but no more than that. I just hope they run it with the #4 playing #1 and #2 playing #3 and not have some stupid BCS-esque way of doing it.
A six-team playoff would be even likelier to include the #1 team. Teams would be selected by a panel, like the NCAA BB tournament. In the first round, played the week after conference championships, #6 plays Playoff Game A at #3, and #5 plays Playoff Game B at #4, while #1 and #2 get byes. Then, a week later, play the second round: the winner of Game A plays at #2, and the winner of game B plays at #2.
The winners of round 2 games meet for the NC in bowl week.
This maximizes the chances that the best team will be in the pool, ensures that any winner will have an impressive resume, but also rewards success in the regular season with home fields and byes.
No way the TV networks allow the top 2 teams to sit out the first weekend of a playoff. That is a huge number of eyeballs and ad revenue left sitting on the table.
Go Navy.
Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2011, 08:34:11 AM
No way the TV networks allow the top 2 teams to sit out the first weekend of a playoff. That is a huge number of eyeballs and ad revenue left sitting on the table.
Probably. There are no byes in any other sport's playoff, are there? In the NFL, for instance, that would be a huge number of eyeballs and ad revenue left sitting on the table :hmm:
Haha while waiting for the Heisman show thing, I got to see Indiana beat Kentucky by one on a three at the buzzer. College basketball is still pretty awesome.
Griffin wins the Heisman, award not a complete joke for at least this season.
Is anyone watching this Todd Marinovich 30 for 30? I knew a lot about how he was raised and what happened and all that, but it's still just so crazy seeing it like this, and my wife, even without knowing anything about it, was almost immediately (when Marv was talking about stretching his newborn son's hammys. what a fucking nutjob) asking about how fucked up Todd turned out to be, etc.
Quote from: grumbler on December 10, 2011, 06:43:47 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2011, 08:34:11 AM
No way the TV networks allow the top 2 teams to sit out the first weekend of a playoff. That is a huge number of eyeballs and ad revenue left sitting on the table.
Probably. There are no byes in any other sport's playoff, are there? In the NFL, for instance, that would be a huge number of eyeballs and ad revenue left sitting on the table :hmm:
The CFL has a six-team playoff, and is getting record TV ratings. :)
Quote from: Barrister on December 10, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 10, 2011, 06:43:47 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2011, 08:34:11 AM
No way the TV networks allow the top 2 teams to sit out the first weekend of a playoff. That is a huge number of eyeballs and ad revenue left sitting on the table.
Probably. There are no byes in any other sport's playoff, are there? In the NFL, for instance, that would be a huge number of eyeballs and ad revenue left sitting on the table :hmm:
The CFL has a six-team playoff, and is getting record TV ratings. :)
Five people have actually tuned in this year!
;)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 08, 2011, 07:12:13 PM
Kansas has hired Charlie Weis to be their HC.
I love Brian's reaction to this at MGoBlog:
QuoteI'm still waiting for Orson to email the Kansas AD asking "who are you and when did you think of this," thus exposing the brilliant hoax. Because that ain't real. Kansas did not just hire an old sociopath whose college tenure is spectacular failure at Notre Dame and leading the Florida offense into walrusball territory. They did not shell out three million a year for him. These are not things that happen without Batman villains intervening in the water supply.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 10, 2011, 09:52:29 PM
Is anyone watching this Todd Marinovich 30 for 30? I knew a lot about how he was raised and what happened and all that, but it's still just so crazy seeing it like this, and my wife, even without knowing anything about it, was almost immediately (when Marv was talking about stretching his newborn son's hammys. what a fucking nutjob) asking about how fucked up Todd turned out to be, etc.
I watched it. Maybe it's partly because he didn't get a chance to make his own case, but the Trojans coach came across as a total douche.
Quote from: grumbler on December 11, 2011, 07:02:41 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 08, 2011, 07:12:13 PM
Kansas has hired Charlie Weis to be their HC.
I love Brian's reaction to this at MGoBlog:
QuoteI'm still waiting for Orson to email the Kansas AD asking "who are you and when did you think of this," thus exposing the brilliant hoax. Because that ain't real. Kansas did not just hire an old sociopath whose college tenure is spectacular failure at Notre Dame and leading the Florida offense into walrusball territory. They did not shell out three million a year for him. These are not things that happen without Batman villains intervening in the water supply.
At first I didn't know which made less sense--Kansas hiring Weis or UCLA hiring Jim Mora. But after thinking it over, I think Weis' hiring makes less sense. Mora showed that he couldn't be a successful coach in the NFL, but he hasn't proven himself a loser at the college level, so it might work out for the Bruins. Plus, there is the possibility that they thought that they were hiring his dad. OTOH, Kansas hiring Weis doesn't add up at all--if he can't win at Norte Dame, how can anyone possibly expect him to win at Kansas?
Mora to UCLA reminds me a bit of when Carroll went to USC. Mora was not a terrible NFL coach, but just not great. He is also very young and energetic, I think high school and college aged kids will relate to him very well.
If UCLA decides they are committed enough to the football program to properly pay their coaches, specifically their assistants UCLA football could return to being a very good program.
Quote from: grumbler on December 10, 2011, 06:43:47 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2011, 08:34:11 AM
No way the TV networks allow the top 2 teams to sit out the first weekend of a playoff. That is a huge number of eyeballs and ad revenue left sitting on the table.
Probably. There are no byes in any other sport's playoff, are there? In the NFL, for instance, that would be a huge number of eyeballs and ad revenue left sitting on the table :hmm:
Yes the NFL has byes but I don't think the situations are very comparable.
The NFL has had byes in the first round f the playoffs since 1978; there were 5 teams and only the 4&5 seeds played the first week. They went to the current 6 teams with the top 2 seeds getting a bye in 1990. Back then the NFL wasn't nearly what it is now, it was popular but not much more so than the NBA or Major League Baseball. Now that NFL is king the networks get what they get, and they will like it.
The current NCAA Div 1 bowl system is very profitable to schools, networks and the NCAA itself. I assume any new system will need to be more profitable than the current one for everyone for a change to be made and I think that at least one TV network would have a voice in setting that system up.
Right now the championship team plays in one bowl game. Under a 6-team playoff scheme, they would play in two or three. Seems that's enough to get the tv networks on board.
Quote from: sbr on December 11, 2011, 09:47:46 PM
Yes the NFL has byes but I don't think the situations are very comparable.
The NFL has had byes in the first round f the playoffs since 1978; there were 5 teams and only the 4&5 seeds played the first week. They went to the current 6 teams with the top 2 seeds getting a bye in 1990. Back then the NFL wasn't nearly what it is now, it was popular but not much more so than the NBA or Major League Baseball. Now that NFL is king the networks get what they get, and they will like it.
So, obviously, the NFL doesn't have first-round byes any more, because "No way the TV networks allow the top 2 teams to sit out the first weekend of a playoff. That is a huge number of eyeballs and ad revenue left sitting on the table." When did the NFL drop the first-round bye?
The situations are almost exactly comparable.
QuoteThe current NCAA Div 1 bowl system is very profitable to schools, networks and the NCAA itself. I assume any new system will need to be more profitable than the current one for everyone for a change to be made and I think that at least one TV network would have a voice in setting that system up.
A six-team playoff would have no impact on the bowl system, and would add two extremely valuable playoff games to the slate.
The championship game would need to be advertised a la the Super Bowl, though, because fans of the final teams couldn't be expected to fill stadiums at remote locations two weeks in a row, particularly when they couldn't predict accurately whether their team would make it to the final. That may necessitate a two-week interval between the semi-final and final, in order to allow time to sell tickets.
Also, I would note that the current bowl system is only profitable at the upper stages. Low-tier bowls actually cost the schools which attend them money (due to ticket guarantees, required lodging, transportation, and the like).
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 12, 2011, 05:37:29 AM
Right now the championship team plays in one bowl game. Under a 6-team playoff scheme, they would play in two or three. Seems that's enough to get the tv networks on board.
Yes, but even more importantly, the team that wins that grind, even if they started as the sixth seed, would definitely have established credibility as the national champ. That certainly isn't the case with the mythical national championship we have now.
Just so everyone is on the same page, the most important bowl game of the year is this saturday at noon (mountain time). That's right, the NEW MEXICO BOWL, between those perrenial powers Wyoming and Temple. The winner gets all the nachos they want and likely an athletic departments several tens of thousands in debt.
In all fairness, it IS the first bowl game - everyone should be starved for football.
Quote from: sbr on December 11, 2011, 08:34:20 PM
Mora to UCLA reminds me a bit of when Carroll went to USC.
I'm sure that UCLA is hoping that Mora will do for them what Carroll did for USC--minus the NCAA sanctions a few years down the road.
Quote from: grumbler on December 12, 2011, 08:21:42 AM
Also, I would note that the current bowl system is only profitable at the upper stages. Low-tier bowls actually cost the schools which attend them money (due to ticket guarantees, required lodging, transportation, and the like).
Even high-end bowls can cost teams money. Last year, I'm certain that UConn lost money(somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5 million) when it played in the Fiesta Bowl. This year, apparently Virginia Tech has only sold about half of its allotted tickets to the Sugar Bowl. When Louisville played Wake Forest in the Orange Bowl a few years back I think one or both the teams lost money.
Examples like these are why the BCS bowls are going to drop automatic qualifiers whenever the next contract comes up.
Quote from: stjaba on December 13, 2011, 07:46:36 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 12, 2011, 08:21:42 AM
Also, I would note that the current bowl system is only profitable at the upper stages. Low-tier bowls actually cost the schools which attend them money (due to ticket guarantees, required lodging, transportation, and the like).
Even high-end bowls can cost teams money. Last year, I'm certain that UConn lost money(somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5 million) when it played in the Fiesta Bowl. This year, apparently Virginia Tech has only sold about half of its allotted tickets to the Sugar Bowl. When Louisville played Wake Forest in the Orange Bowl a few years back I think one or both the teams lost money.
Examples like these are why the BCS bowls are going to drop automatic qualifiers whenever the next contract comes up.
It's not a done deal that they're going to drop automatic qualifiers.
Quote from: stjaba on December 13, 2011, 07:46:36 PM
Even high-end bowls can cost teams money. Last year, I'm certain that UConn lost money(somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5 million) when it played in the Fiesta Bowl. This year, apparently Virginia Tech has only sold about half of its allotted tickets to the Sugar Bowl. When Louisville played Wake Forest in the Orange Bowl a few years back I think one or both the teams lost money.
Yes, teams need to sell lots of tickets for the schools to make serious money. VaTech is promoting the idea that their supporters buy the tickets and donate them to VT so the school can give them to charities, the military, and the like. The school knows that if it dumps them on the open market, Michigan fans will buy them up, and it doesn't want its own fan section to have more Michigan fans than VT fans.
QuoteExamples like these are why the BCS bowls are going to drop automatic qualifiers whenever the next contract comes up.
It is partially that, and partially the fact that there aren't six strong conferences any more, IMO.
Quote from: stjaba on December 13, 2011, 07:46:36 PM
Examples like these are why the BCS bowls are going to drop automatic qualifiers whenever the next contract comes up.
Except V-Tech is not an automatic qualifier. The Sugar Bowl chose to take them.
Quote from: Valmy on December 13, 2011, 11:06:41 PM
Except V-Tech is not an automatic qualifier. The Sugar Bowl chose to take them.
I think those are examples of teams loosing money in BCS games, not examples of AQ teams. VT wouldn't be selling any more tickets if it had won the ACC and was playing in the Orange Bowl.
Quote from: grumbler on December 14, 2011, 10:11:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 13, 2011, 11:06:41 PM
Except V-Tech is not an automatic qualifier. The Sugar Bowl chose to take them.
I think those are examples of teams loosing money in BCS games, not examples of AQ teams. VT wouldn't be selling any more tickets if it had won the ACC and was playing in the Orange Bowl.
It sure seemed like he was citing Virginia Tech as a reason for why the Bowls are dropping AQs. I thought the insinuation was that the Sugar Bowl was forced by the AQ rules to take a non-deserving team like the Fiesta Bowl had to take UConn last year. But it rather shows that even when the Bowls can take anybody they want they still can screw it up just as bad.
Quote from: Valmy on December 14, 2011, 10:25:23 AM
It sure seemed like he was citing Virginia Tech as a reason for why the Bowls are dropping AQs. I thought the insinuation was that the Sugar Bowl was forced by the AQ rules to take a non-deserving team like the Fiesta Bowl had to take UConn last year. But it rather shows that even when the Bowls can take anybody they want they still can screw it up just as bad.
The Sugar couldn't take anyone they wanted, because of the AQ tie-ins to the other bowls.
VT has a history of traveling well. No one expected them to have problems selling tickets this year. Everyone here blamed the failure to sell out last year on the fact that it was the third trip to Miami in four years. It turns out that the fans are just bored with Beamer Ball. They sold out during the season, though, so who knew?
Quote from: grumbler on December 14, 2011, 10:47:23 AM
The Sugar couldn't take anyone they wanted, because of the AQ tie-ins to the other bowls.
Well obviously they couldn't take anybody but that was true even with the old Bowl System. But they could invite anybody who was not already going to another BCS bowl.
Apparently Wyoming sold enough tickets to break even at the New Mexico Bowl. Take that, VT!
Quote from: PDH on December 14, 2011, 11:02:18 AM
Apparently Wyoming sold enough tickets to break even at the New Mexico Bowl. Take that, VT!
Just think if Wyoming made a BCS bowl. Almost the entire city of Laramie would have to go to sell out their alotment.
Speaking of Wyoming looking forward to the game this Saturday.
Wyoming has a lot of expats. When Wyoming is in the Big12 and starts dominating, all the UWyo alum that live the traitorous life in Colorado would buy bowl tickets!
Right now the "break even" point was 4100 tickets for the NM Bowl :)
http://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-ruettiger-the-guy-who-inspired-the-movie-rudy-sued-by-sec-2011-12
Why are they suing him? The QB he sacked played for Georgia Tech not Georgia.
Ready for the big game PDH? I presume you are posting from your hotel room in New Mexico.
He used to be a little football player with heart, now he's a little con artist with heart... and a gatoraid rip off.
Quote from: HVC on December 16, 2011, 02:51:36 PM
He used to be a little football player with heart, now he's a little con artist with heart... and a gatoraid rip off.
Who cares? He is being sued by an SEC that doesn't even have
one team in the "championship" game.
I am going to be following the game from afar, alas. My father is sick, and I had to scramble and make plans to go to Cathedral City, California to see him. Being 85 makes even "sick" a pretty bad thing.
Quote from: HVC on December 16, 2011, 02:51:36 PM
He used to be a little football player with heart, now he's a little con artist with heart... and a gatoraid rip off.
An ROTC buddy of mine who went to Notre Dame & whose father is a big ND booster told me that Rudy is a freeloading loser. So this isn't surprising.
Rudy was a pretty good movie, though.
Quote from: PDH on December 16, 2011, 04:58:20 PM
I am going to be following the game from afar, alas. My father is sick, and I had to scramble and make plans to go to Cathedral City, California to see him. Being 85 makes even "sick" a pretty bad thing.
Oh man I am sorry to hear that. I hope it is nothing serious.
Quote from: derspiess on December 16, 2011, 04:58:51 PM
An ROTC buddy of mine who went to Notre Dame & whose father is a big ND booster told me that Rudy is a freeloading loser. So this isn't surprising.
Rudy was a pretty good movie, though.
His nephew plays for the Arizona State baseball team so that automatically makes him scum in my eyes.
Quote from: grumbler on December 16, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
Quote from: HVC on December 16, 2011, 02:51:36 PM
He used to be a little football player with heart, now he's a little con artist with heart... and a gatoraid rip off.
Who cares? He is being sued by an SEC that doesn't even have one team in the "championship" game.
Ok, I did laugh. :P
StubHub cannibalizes a lot of sales from the universities as well. Obviously if you're looking at a bowl game over a thousand miles away, there is going to be some number of your fans who make every home game who may not be able to make the bowl game. Maybe they don't have the money, maybe they can't get off work, or maybe they just aren't big enough supporters to travel even though they have season tickets and never miss a home game.
If you're a school with a large travelling fanbase, and especially a national appeal (like Notre Dame) you're going to be able to sell out your allotment and probably the rest of the stadium any bowl game you go to. I think the schools that can do that are probably less than 5 in the whole country.
For a school like Virginia Tech, bringing 45k fans is pretty good, and I've seen Tech with that many fans in bowl games before. However, just because the number of fans you bring > allotment, doesn't mean all or even a large portion of those fans bought their tickets from the school's allotment. 5-6 years ago it probably did, but in the last few years I think a lot of fans have gotten tired with how the schools sell tickets. It genuinely kind of sucks, you go to the schools website and you get to pay $120-165 for vaguely defined seating areas. You can select "Upper Level" "Lower Level" or "Mezzanine" with no explanation as to where you are in relation to the football field, all these tickets could be in the far corner but you know some of them aren't, unfortunately there is no way to specify what section you want in or anything like that. With StubHub you can get in whatever section you want.
The last time I went to a bowl game I bought through StubHub, the price premium was modest and in comparison to the plane ticket, hotel room for two nights, restaurant and etc honestly paying $250 for a $120 face value ticket seemed like a very small extravagance, when you got guaranteed good seats and knew exactly where in the stadium you would be sitting a month in advance.
:hmm: Well, two out of the first three bowl games were pretty good.
I don't watch a bowl game held before 12/25.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 18, 2011, 02:42:35 PM
I don't watch a bowl game held before 12/25.
Sucks to be you. You've missed quite a few good games if you actually do that, including two last second Ws yesterday.
I mostly only watch games that I can be bothered to care who wins. Though I'll watch the LSU-Tide rematch anyway.
I don't want to talk about anything.
Quote from: PDH on December 18, 2011, 04:13:38 PM
I don't want to talk about anything.
Got it :shutup:
Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2011, 06:11:51 PM
Hey grumbler, did you read "Three and Out"?
It is getting a lot of positive press on the Arizona board, including plenty from a batch of Michigan fans who've shown up recently...
Finally got around to this.
A fairly good book, though the author had some strange writing "tics," like always using "successor" when he meant "predecessor" and vice-versa, and the descriptions of game action are confusing and disjointed (several times he forgets to mention the final score). The mere existence of the book says some good things about Rodriquez: he was an open coach, and just insisted that the story be the truth. Rodriguez got the right to read the book and comment on it before publication, but expressly eschewed the right to insist on any changes.
The author is obviously pro-Rodriguez, but that's understandable; he owed RR a lot simply because RR gave him unrestricted access to all things to do with the program; Bacon could attend any meetings, meals, practices, games, press conferences, and whatnot he chose to attend, and talk to anyone he wanted to. He spent a lot of time with RR, and so naturally sees things through RR's eyes. This doesn't spoil the book or make it hagiography, though. Bacon is quite critical of many of RR's decisions and approaches to problems, and in particular notes blunders he made in dealing with the press (which Bacon could pick up on when RR couldn't, Bacon being a former journalist himself).
As I noted, Bacon doesn't handle the actual football game stuff itself very well. He's not a former football player, and so he didn't really understand a lot of what was happening on the field. Not a big issue, though; that's not the focus of the book. It would have been a better book, though, if he had been in a better position to understand just why the team did so poorly on the field. Ultimately, that's what got Rodriguez fired, after all.
The portions of the book about why Rodriguez left WVU and why he wasn't accepted well by the Michigan "faithful" are the best parts of the book. WVU comes out looking like shit, which pretty much comports with what we knew at the time. Carr's actions (and inactions) were new to me. I hadn't realized the extent to which he undercut Rodriguez simply by denying him the support Bump Elliot had given Bo, and Bo in turn gave to Carr. Carr encouraged players to depart when Rodriguez took over, and encouraged the ones who stayed to visit him (he was an "Associate Athletic Director" and had an office in the sports complex) to complain about RR. He refused nine times to speak to the players before games.
Exactly how it was that RR became the coach was also interesting. Carr had a personal dislike for Les Miles, who had agreed to become Michigan's next coach but wouldn't publicly confirm that until LSU's bowl game. In the interim, Carr contacted RR, and then convinced UM President Mary Sue Coleman and AD Bill Martin to offer RR the job before LSU's bowl game. He thus got what he wanted: Les Miles out of the picture. He didn't actually want RR, and proceeded to undercut him, but he made sure Les didn't get the job.
The guy who comes out of this looking worst is Bill Martin. No surprise to anyone who follows Michigan sports. Martin was a genius at business, but was no kind of leader at all, and never saw his job as AD as anything but a temp gig designed to allow him to oversee the renovation of the sports complex (which he did brilliantly, by all accounts). He completely fumbled the new coach search, alienating the search committee that was supposed to be overseeing the process by repeatedly ignoring their recommendations (to a man, they wanted Miles first and Brady Hoke second) and going off on his own to talk to candidates they hadn't even considered (he really wanted Greg Schiano or Kirk Ferentz). Eventually, the school's president had to take over the search process.
I think you might like the book, and it certainly covers Rodriguez's strengths and weaknesses. He is a great scheme guy, and his strength and conditioning program (which you are going to get at Arizona) is second to none. He is heavily reliant on (and perhaps too deferential to) his assistants, though, and you have them, as well. They don't teach fundamentals as well as they need to, and the game day play calling is weak. Rodriguez is a good recruiter, but places too much emphasis on a prospective player's ability, and not enough on his character. RR had massive attrition issues (including losing, in 2008, the only two 5-star recruits he had for the defensive backfield, one because he couldn't qualify and the other because he wouldn't take on the strength and conditioning requirements). Tate Forcier had one good year and then flunked out of school because he didn't think he needed to go to practice). RR placed much greater emphasis on class attendance and grades than did Carr, which surprised me.
Practicegate, the NCAA violations that put Michigan on probation, was largely a crock of shit. The only part that RR was responsible for was that the compliance staff (who worked for a compliance officer who reported to the AD, and not for RR at all) were, as ex-football players themselves, helping some of the players with techniques. Even that would have been okay, except that they needed to be doing this for other programs, and not just football. The "extra practice time" issue revolved around whether stretching counted as "practice" or merely practice preparation. The rules were not clear on this. Clearly, RR didn't enforce the rules as well as he should have, but the guys violating the rules were the ones supposed to be enforcing them, and they didn't work for RR. Communications between RR and the Director of Compliance were strained (as is often the case between those positions, it seems). RR made the faulty assumption that they knew and followed the rules. On their part, the compliance staff just thought they were putting in their own time voluntarily to help the kids. How all this ended up as "major violations" is beyond me.
The one phrase you will read over and over, and that might well be the best one-sentence summary of this situation, is "if Bo was still here, none of this would have happened." :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on December 19, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
They don't teach fundamentals as well as they need to, and the game day play calling is weak. Rodriguez is a good recruiter, but places too much emphasis on a prospective player's
I'm not really in a position to comment on how well they teach fundamentals, but from watching WVU games when RR was there, it was pretty obvious that while they had a good offensive scheme, actual game-day playcalling wasn't a strength for him and his staff.
Quote from: grumbler on December 19, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
Tate Forcier had one good year and then flunked out of school because he didn't think he needed to go to practice).
:hmm:
Quote
The Buckeyes will run Meyer's spread offense, but it won't just be a spread. Meyer said attacking the perimeter of a defense is key, but that's not all you have to do in the Big Ten. "Ohio State's still Ohio State," he said. "We're going to turn around and smack (people) ... That will be a part of who we are, probably more than we've done, because of who we have." Meyer said he would incorporate the I-formation in his offense and that he likes new offensive coordinator Tom Herman because Herman is open to ideas instead of married to his own system.
Getting closer...
At first I thought, this Tom Herman guy was the OC at Iowa? :w00t:
Oh no wait, it was Iowa State. :bleeding:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 19, 2011, 03:35:47 PM
At first I thought, this Tom Herman guy was the OC at Iowa? :w00t:
Oh no wait, it was Iowa State. :bleeding:
Wait what is so great about Iowa this year that would make you go :w00t: at hiring their assistant coach? Didn't they lose to Iowa State this year?
Not to mention losing to Minnesota which was one of the worst teams in major college football?
Also why the crap directed at Iowa State? Paul Rhoads and his staff are doing a great job.
I was hoping for a pro style OC to offset Meyer and balance things out. Iowa runs the kind of offense I like. ISU passes for seven thousand yards a season.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 19, 2011, 03:49:32 PM
I was hoping for a pro style OC to offset Meyer and balance things out. Iowa runs the kind of offense I like. ISU passes for seven thousand yards a season.
Heh they wish. But fair enough.
Quote from: dps on December 19, 2011, 02:51:17 PMI'm not really in a position to comment on how well they teach fundamentals, but from watching WVU games when RR was there, it was pretty obvious that while they had a good offensive scheme, actual game-day playcalling wasn't a strength for him and his staff.
Rodriguez called "good plays" in that they were schematically sound, but he has no understanding of context. So in practice this meant he would call "generically good plays" at times when they weren't appropriate, and he would fail to adjust the plays he was calling to the situation on the field.
That gets at the reality that in football there is no such thing as a "generically good play", the right play is 100% defined by the situation at that moment and nothing else, and Rodriguez doesn't operate that way. I think he made his name as an OC because his scheme was strong, but I think his best potential as a Head Coach will be in a system where he installs his offense and then hires a true quality OC to actually do the play calling for him. His OC at both Michigan and WVU was a lackey who had no real control over the playcalling, at least that I've ever seen. In fact that same OC did a better job in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl than Rodriguez would have done, because he was actually making all the play calling decisions himself (he was I believe the only member of Rodriguez's staff that accepted a position at Michigan but stayed at WVU to coach the Fiesta Bowl.
I have no intention of reading the book anytime soon, but I'm surprised in grumbler's summary you can say Bill Martin comes off looking the worst of anyone, I suspect personal bias. A hired gun type AD has pretty low expectations in any case. A guy like Lloyd Carr who has received so much in terms of money, prestige, respect, and etc from a university, to intentionally harm the university and let his own petty dislikes interfere with a coaching search and
then to actively undermine the new guy to the detriment of the school comes off way worse than anything else in g's summary.
Since I highly doubt anyone at WVU was willing to make statements I'm going to assume the book's depictions of the end of Rodriguez's time there is pretty one sided. I don't really know how WVU could come off looking bad, they had given their coach raises every year in response to him threatening to leave, they finally basically drew the line when he wanted various things that they didn't have the money to do and some things they weren't allowed to do (like let players sell their free text books for cash.) The way I saw it Rodriguez wanted to be the AD and WVU said no, so Rodriguez left. I don't really see how anyone really looks awful there, both parties obviously had a different desired employment situation in regards to the head coach.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 19, 2011, 09:18:23 PM
I have no intention of reading the book anytime soon, but I'm surprised in grumbler's summary you can say Bill Martin comes off looking the worst of anyone, I suspect personal bias. A hired gun type AD has pretty low expectations in any case. A guy like Lloyd Carr who has received so much in terms of money, prestige, respect, and etc from a university, to intentionally harm the university and let his own petty dislikes interfere with a coaching search and then to actively undermine the new guy to the detriment of the school comes off way worse than anything else in g's summary.
Mine was not so much a summary but a list of things I thought Berkut would find interesting. Martin undermined Rodriguez more than Carr did when he refused for almost a year to back Rodriguez's contention that Michigan had always been planing to pay $2.5 milion of the $4 million buyout from WVU. He didn't do things as deliberately as Carr (and Carr's interference was mostly passive), but he bungled things so badly that Rodriguez was left several times holding the bag for Martin's fuckups.
Not that Rodriguez helped by making decisions without any understanding of their impact on Michigan traditions (like promising a recruit he could wear the #1 jersey, when in fact that was a number that had had to be earned, and in fact was rarely awarded, for some 25 years). Rodriguez thought he understood the culture at Michigan when he didn't really have a clue, and Martin did nothing to help him understand (in part because Martin didn't know much about it himself).
QuoteSince I highly doubt anyone at WVU was willing to make statements I'm going to assume the book's depictions of the end of Rodriguez's time there is pretty one sided. I don't really know how WVU could come off looking bad, they had given their coach raises every year in response to him threatening to leave, they finally basically drew the line when he wanted various things that they didn't have the money to do and some things they weren't allowed to do (like let players sell their free text books for cash.) The way I saw it Rodriguez wanted to be the AD and WVU said no, so Rodriguez left. I don't really see how anyone really looks awful there, both parties obviously had a different desired employment situation in regards to the head coach.
Many people at and around WVU (though not athletic department staff, but including Don Nehlen) were willing to talk about what happened, though the then-President and then-AD didn't. Rodriguez wanted better facilities and, most importantly, better pay for his assistants. He was willing to fund-raise, and did so, but the AD then took all of those funds to pay other department expenses, and left RR and the boosters with nothing. The book says nothing about Rodriguez wanting to be AD; just about the struggles he had with then-president Michael Garrison to get better facilities and pay for his staff. Nehlen says he advised Rodriguez to leave for Ann Arbor, because staying would just lead to more frustration in a no-win situation. No one knew, of course, that Garrison would be ridden out of town on a rail eight months later.
The book is, as I said, written from a view qute sympathetic to Rodriguez as would be expected from the circumstances in which it was written.
Craig James will no longer be shitting up the TV screen during football games (at least not for now). :)
http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id/7369298/former-espn-football-analyst-craig-james-runs-senate
Quote"Craig has decided to run for the U.S. Senate," a spokesman said. "He will no longer work for ESPN."
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 20, 2011, 03:16:36 AM
Craig James will no longer be shitting up the TV screen during football games (at least not for now). :)
http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id/7369298/former-espn-football-analyst-craig-james-runs-senate
Quote"Craig has decided to run for the U.S. Senate," a spokesman said. "He will no longer work for ESPN."
By the way MBM, where's that Craig James killed 5 hookers while at SMU meme come from?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 20, 2011, 05:33:05 AM
By the way MBM, where's that Craig James killed 5 hookers while at SMU meme come from?
I've seen it on ShaggyBevo, EDSBS, and a couple of times more recently in SAS. I don't know where it started or what really caused it to get going (aside from Craig James being a huge douche), but seeing it pop up in google searches fo "Craig James" is just fantastic.
Quote from: PDH on December 18, 2011, 04:13:38 PM
I don't want to talk about anything.
It was a spirited effort, my friend. Spirited.
Quote from: Valmy on December 19, 2011, 03:41:55 PM
Also why the crap directed at Iowa State? Paul Rhoads and his staff are doing a great job.
Iowa State suffers from the same malady as Michigan State: a lack of legitimacy.
Quote from: grumbler on December 19, 2011, 11:23:41 PMMine was not so much a summary but a list of things I thought Berkut would find interesting. Martin undermined Rodriguez more than Carr did when he refused for almost a year to back Rodriguez's contention that Michigan had always been planing to pay $2.5 milion of the $4 million buyout from WVU. He didn't do things as deliberately as Carr (and Carr's interference was mostly passive), but he bungled things so badly that Rodriguez was left several times holding the bag for Martin's fuckups.
I don't necessarily doubt that in a void Martin's actions may have been worse. As a fan without a team (well, I support Army but that's a sad endeavor), I think if I had a favorite college team that I followed religiously I'd be a lot more upset at a former coach who retired after a long career with the school doing things to undermine the next guy than I would some gunslinger AD doing bad things. I mean Carr was a Bo Schembechler guy, I'd have expected him to have the same high standards of personal behavior that Bo did. Heck, even as a non-Michigan fan I always respected Carr, and if it's true he was making things hard on his replacement that really shows that he is lacking in the sort of class you'd expect him to have.
QuoteMany people at and around WVU (though not athletic department staff, but including Don Nehlen) were willing to talk about what happened, though the then-President and then-AD didn't. Rodriguez wanted better facilities and, most importantly, better pay for his assistants. He was willing to fund-raise, and did so, but the AD then took all of those funds to pay other department expenses, and left RR and the boosters with nothing. The book says nothing about Rodriguez wanting to be AD; just about the struggles he had with then-president Michael Garrison to get better facilities and pay for his staff. Nehlen says he advised Rodriguez to leave for Ann Arbor, because staying would just lead to more frustration in a no-win situation. No one knew, of course, that Garrison would be ridden out of town on a rail eight months later.
I've always heard the facilities argument, but during all of this WVU Basketball Coach Bob Huggins was able to get facilities improvements, I believe every single season where Rodriguez was HC there was a facilities improvement being done. I don't buy that WVU is unwilling to upgrade facilities. Rodriguez was a player/GA at WVU, was from West Virginia and etc, he wasn't a big city coach who didn't know the situation when he signed on at WVU--from the eyes of an outside observer WVU was continually spending the money that it could to upgrade its facilities. Without being involved in the negotiations, it always seemed like to me Rodriguez felt that if he threatened to leave his job every single season he was somehow always going to be able to get more money for himself, his assistants, and facilities. That's sort of where I feel he was trying to be AD, he basically felt that he should be in charge of how much money the Athletic Department was going to spend and making all of the facilities decisions as well as policies governing student athletes. I find it interesting the perk Rodriguez wanted for athletes in which they could sell their free textbooks for cash wasn't mentioned in the book, it was a big part of the public story at the time as part of the disagreement he had with the AD.
If Rodriguez wanted unlimited facilities budgets I think he was right to be moving to Michigan, but it's kind of ridiculous to fault a school like WVU for being unable to spend more money than it has on facilities, but FWIW I do know they had made continuous facilities ugprades every season Rodriguez was at WVU (in fact they continue to make upgrades.) Back when it all went down my understanding was that the AD had literally gone through a herculean effort to keep Rodriguez from going to Alabama, and had basically prostrated himself before various boosters to get all of the facilities upgrades Rodriguez wanted
that year, in addition to boosting his personal pay to over $2m/year. To me it's hard to fault the school for balking when Rodriguez was essentially back less than 12 months later demanding the same thing. If it's true they had done fund raising throughout the year that was supposed to be for football and then the AD redirected the money elsewhere, that's not good practice. But if the fund raising was just for the athletic department then it would be the AD's decision where to spend it...I know football is the money sport but you have to spend some money even on the money losing sports.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 20, 2011, 10:21:50 AM
I've always heard the facilities argument, but during all of this WVU Basketball Coach Bob Huggins was able to get facilities improvements, I believe every single season where Rodriguez was HC there was a facilities improvement being done. I don't buy that WVU is unwilling to upgrade facilities. Rodriguez was a player/GA at WVU, was from West Virginia and etc, he wasn't a big city coach who didn't know the situation when he signed on at WVU--from the eyes of an outside observer WVU was continually spending the money that it could to upgrade its facilities.
According to the book, Rodriguez didn't want a facilities improvement, he wanted specific facilities and staff improvements. He wanted an academic center and an academic support staff. He wanted the locker rooms upgraded. Every school makes facilities improvements every year. That isn't the issue, according to the book.
He also wanted other non-facilities items like free tickets for high school coaches, a university plane to transport caches for recruiting, control over access to the sidelines during games, and better compensation for his assistants. He didn't ask for more money for himself. Oh, and the textbooks thing (which other BE schools did, and WVU could have easily done as well).
QuoteWithout being involved in the negotiations, it always seemed like to me Rodriguez felt that if he threatened to leave his job every single season he was somehow always going to be able to get more money for himself, his assistants, and facilities.
The book doesn't cover any threats to leave. It mentions that he turned down a 50% better salary offer from Alabama. Where does the information that he "threatened to leave his job every single season" come from?
QuoteThat's sort of where I feel he was trying to be AD, he basically felt that he should be in charge of how much money the Athletic Department was going to spend and making all of the facilities decisions as well as policies governing student athletes.
So he wasn't trying to become AD, you just "feel he was trying to be AD?" I don't think the entire thrust of argument sounds very credible.
QuoteI find it interesting the perk Rodriguez wanted for athletes in which they could sell their free textbooks for cash wasn't mentioned in the book, it was a big part of the public story at the time as part of the disagreement he had with the AD.
The book mentions it, as a recruiting issue (other schools gave textbooks to the student athletes and so allowed them to sell them after the season - RR and his staff noted that this was a recruiting advantage that could be cheaply overcome). I didn't bring it up because I thought it arcane and trivial, not having followed RR's travails at all at the time.
QuoteIf Rodriguez wanted unlimited facilities budgets I think he was right to be moving to Michigan, but it's kind of ridiculous to fault a school like WVU for being unable to spend more money than it has on facilities, but FWIW I do know they had made continuous facilities ugprades every season Rodriguez was at WVU (in fact they continue to make upgrades.) Back when it all went down my understanding was that the AD had literally gone through a herculean effort to keep Rodriguez from going to Alabama, and had basically prostrated himself before various boosters to get all of the facilities upgrades Rodriguez wanted that year, in addition to boosting his personal pay to over $2m/year. To me it's hard to fault the school for balking when Rodriguez was essentially back less than 12 months later demanding the same thing. If it's true they had done fund raising throughout the year that was supposed to be for football and then the AD redirected the money elsewhere, that's not good practice. But if the fund raising was just for the athletic department then it would be the AD's decision where to spend it...I know football is the money sport but you have to spend some money even on the money losing sports.
RR didn't make $2 million a year, according to the book (and the web). After he turned down Alabama, he got a new contract with the same salary (at least $1.3 million but less than $1.7 million - the book isn't clear), some additional pay for his assistants (not enough, but with the promise of more), and the buyout clause. Nor does the book mention any herculean effort by the AD (one of the complaints of the boosters is that Pastilong worked fewer hours per week than any of the coaches worked per day). Nor does the book mention any attempt by Rodriguez to get a pay raise in 2007. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it would be a surprising omission, since the book talks about everything else (including the wish list I mention above, which was given to Garrison and didn't include a raise for RR himself).
The fundraising to date had been specifically for an airplane to carry coaches on recruiting trips. This was the 1100 Club http://mountaineerathleticclub.com/page.cfm?storyid=88 whose proceeds were diverted by the AD.
Huh. Well every day you learn something. Today I learned that Lloyd Carr is a dick.
OSU gets hammered by NCAA, to everyone's surprise:
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html
QuoteThe NCAA today stunned Ohio State University's football program by banning it from postseason play after the 2012 season, multiple sources told The Dispatch.
The penalty means Ohio State automatically is out of the running for any bowl, or a Big Ten or national championship next year, just as newly appointed head coach Urban Meyer is wooing recruits to the Buckeyes.
Athletic Director Gene Smith said previously that while Ohio State has been declared a repeat violator that failed to properly monitor its football program, a bowl ban would be out of line with penalties handed to universities with similar violations.
In its ruling to be made public this afternoon, the NCAA Committee of Infractions will levy the bowl ban and two other penalties on top of the ones the university already imposed on itself, the sources said. The NCAA will:
* Strip four more football scholarships over the next three years on top of Ohio State's prior forfeiture of five scholarships over that span.
* Add an additional year of probation to OSU's self-imposed two-year probation for the football program, meaning any violations through the 2013 season could draw harsher-than-normal penalties.
The NCAA also will hand a show-cause penalty to former head coach Jim Tressel for failing to report that some team members improperly sold memorabilia and for allowing ineligible players to compete throughout the 2010 season.
So much for Meyer's assurance to recruits that there would be no additional sanctions.
USC would have raised holy hell if they hadn't.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 20, 2011, 02:04:46 PM
Huh. Well every day you learn something. Today I learned that Lloyd Carr is a dick.
Well, he can be a dick, but we knew that already. He's no Bo. He's not even a Gary Moeller. But he did care about the kids, graduate them, and keep them in line, all while winning a national championship, so I can't say he was a bad coach.
Quote from: Valmy on December 20, 2011, 02:34:29 PM
USC would have raised holy hell if they hadn't.
They should have raised holy hell about the fact that the NCAA pretty much ignored what was really going on at Ohio, and agreed to pretend, along with the OSU administration, that tatoogate was all there was. The paying of star players with free use of expensive cars, jobs without work, and the like was ignored for Ohio but not USC.
However, this hit makes it pretty clear that the NCAA wouldn't formally investigate the payoffs, but maybe would take them into account.
It'll be interesting to see if any recruits back out now.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 20, 2011, 02:04:46 PM
Huh. Well every day you learn something. Today I learned that Lloyd Carr is a dick.
Well he's a Michigan man, so I just assumed it.
Quote from: grumbler on December 20, 2011, 02:34:52 PMWell, he can be a dick, but we knew that already. He's no Bo. He's not even a Gary Moeller. But he did care about the kids, graduate them, and keep them in line, all while winning a national championship, so I can't say he was a bad coach.
I don't think he's a bad coach either. But to me a guy like Lloyd Carr being a dick to the next guy just seems out of character, at least to me. I didn't follow him but he always seemed like he was a class guy like Schembechler was. Instead it seems like he was just as much of an asshole as the rest of the NCAA coaching community.
Quote from: grumbler on December 20, 2011, 02:31:20 PM
OSU gets hammered by NCAA, to everyone's surprise:
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html
QuoteThe NCAA today stunned Ohio State University's football program by banning it from postseason play after the 2012 season, multiple sources told The Dispatch.
The penalty means Ohio State automatically is out of the running for any bowl, or a Big Ten or national championship next year, just as newly appointed head coach Urban Meyer is wooing recruits to the Buckeyes.
Athletic Director Gene Smith said previously that while Ohio State has been declared a repeat violator that failed to properly monitor its football program, a bowl ban would be out of line with penalties handed to universities with similar violations.
In its ruling to be made public this afternoon, the NCAA Committee of Infractions will levy the bowl ban and two other penalties on top of the ones the university already imposed on itself, the sources said. The NCAA will:
* Strip four more football scholarships over the next three years on top of Ohio State's prior forfeiture of five scholarships over that span.
* Add an additional year of probation to OSU's self-imposed two-year probation for the football program, meaning any violations through the 2013 season could draw harsher-than-normal penalties.
The NCAA also will hand a show-cause penalty to former head coach Jim Tressel for failing to report that some team members improperly sold memorabilia and for allowing ineligible players to compete throughout the 2010 season.
So much for Meyer's assurance to recruits that there would be no additional sanctions.
Gene and the boys at OSU should have self-banned from this year's bowl games instead of waiting for them to take next year's away. Let the kids who are still there and caused the mess take the punishment. Now the innocent will suffer.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 20, 2011, 03:05:05 PM
I don't think he's a bad coach either. But to me a guy like Lloyd Carr being a dick to the next guy just seems out of character, at least to me. I didn't follow him but he always seemed like he was a class guy like Schembechler was. Instead it seems like he was just as much of an asshole as the rest of the NCAA coaching community.
He's no Dantonio or Tiller, but I've been following the situation long enough to know that he was being a dick about Les Miles, Jim Harbaugh, and Rich Rodriguez. You almost got the impression that he was afraid his successor could do well enough to make him look bad. That's certainly far from what I expected when he announced his retirement. He seemed like a bigger man than that.
I also found it interesting in the book that it was mostly Bo's and Mo's players who supported RichRod and decried the lack of support "the Michigan family" was giving to their team. Almost none of Carr's guys (except Tom Brady and Charles Woodson) did that.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 20, 2011, 03:10:38 PM
Gene and the boys at OSU should have self-banned from this year's bowl games instead of waiting for them to take next year's away. Let the kids who are still there and caused the mess take the punishment. Now the innocent will suffer.
No one has accused Smith or Gee of being smart.
Quote from: Valmy on December 20, 2011, 02:34:29 PM
USC would have raised holy hell if they hadn't.
I have to say it's great seeing both OSU and USC getting slapped as seriously as the NCAA will usually slap a big program. Both deserved.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 20, 2011, 03:10:38 PMGene and the boys at OSU should have self-banned from this year's bowl games instead of waiting for them to take next year's away. Let the kids who are still there and caused the mess take the punishment. Now the innocent will suffer.
Yeah, the whole situation was stupid. OSU should have prohibited those players from playing in the Sugar Bowl in the first place IMO, and that may have lessened the blows they have since received.
So they won the Sugar Bowl, had to vacate it, and now have to stay home next off season when potentially they could improve to 8-9 wins next year and would have probably been in line to go to a good bowl (although the Gator Bowl is a good bowl for a non-BCS.)
I thought OSU did good on self-probation except for one thing, and that was the bowl ban, I had a feeling the NCAA was going to want them to stay home one year and I think OSU basically was gambling it wouldn't come down that way. I figured they might take away a few more scholarships too (which is what they did), because 5 schollies over several years isn't really a big number. It worked out to like 1 a recruiting class.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 20, 2011, 03:40:59 PM
I figured they might take away a few more scholarships too (which is what they did), because 5 schollies over several years isn't really a big number. It worked out to like 1 a recruiting class.
My understanding is that they7 are reduced to 76 instead of 85 scholarship players total for the next three years. That probably means fewer 5th year seniors more than fewer incoming freshmen, but they get to handle it however they want.
That's just an understanding, though. It could be a limit on the number of new scholarships available to be awarded.
In other NCAA news, it looks like Mark Richt broke NCAA rules by paying some of his staff members out of his own pocket.
I have to say I don't see the logic of that rule whatsoever, and I think it's honestly stupid. It has nothing to do with protecting the competitiveness of college football / the amateurism of its athletes.
If a coach is making X amount of money and his assistants are collectively making Y, I don't see why it's an NCAA violation for the coach to reduce his pay by N and make private payments to his coaches in that same amount. Seems like a personal transaction and I don't really see why it's an NCAA issue at all.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 20, 2011, 06:00:44 PM
In other NCAA news, it looks like Mark Richt broke NCAA rules by paying some of his staff members out of his own pocket.
I have to say I don't see the logic of that rule whatsoever, and I think it's honestly stupid. It has nothing to do with protecting the competitiveness of college football / the amateurism of its athletes.
If a coach is making X amount of money and his assistants are collectively making Y, I don't see why it's an NCAA violation for the coach to reduce his pay by N and make private payments to his coaches in that same amount. Seems like a personal transaction and I don't really see why it's an NCAA issue at all.
Agree. The NCAA is run by the college Presidents, though, so they may see such transfers of money as an infringement on their power to determine compensation.
Hey Berkut they interviewed Nick Foles this morning on Chip Brown's talk show in Austin: http://kznx-am.tritondigitalmedia.com/includes/news_items/6/8661/nickfoles122111.mp3
Quote from: grumbler on December 20, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 20, 2011, 03:05:05 PM
I don't think he's a bad coach either. But to me a guy like Lloyd Carr being a dick to the next guy just seems out of character, at least to me. I didn't follow him but he always seemed like he was a class guy like Schembechler was. Instead it seems like he was just as much of an asshole as the rest of the NCAA coaching community.
He's no Dantonio or Tiller, but I've been following the situation long enough to know that he was being a dick about Les Miles, Jim Harbaugh, and Rich Rodriguez. You almost got the impression that he was afraid his successor could do well enough to make him look bad. That's certainly far from what I expected when he announced his retirement. He seemed like a bigger man than that.
Maybe part of that was due to his retirement not being entirely voluntary. He may be a little bit bitter. Not that it excuses being a dick about stuff.
Quote from: dps on December 21, 2011, 05:34:28 PM
Maybe part of that was due to his retirement not being entirely voluntary.
I hadn't heard this. Got a link?
Quote from: grumbler on December 23, 2011, 08:33:18 AM
Quote from: dps on December 21, 2011, 05:34:28 PM
Maybe part of that was due to his retirement not being entirely voluntary.
I hadn't heard this. Got a link?
No, nothing specific. It was just that I got the impression at the time that he wasn't necessarily ready to retire but did because he got tired of the pressure. I could be completely wrong--obviously I was looking at it from way outside and don't have any insider knowledge.
My impression had always been that the AD wanted Carr to retire but I don't know that it was a "retire or I'll make you retire" situation. I sort of thought it was more along the lines of Carr saw the writing on the wall and felt he needed to retire when he did so he could do it on his terms and not have to go out being essentially terminated a season or two later.
That was my impression from a long ways away as well.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 24, 2011, 05:57:22 PM
My impression had always been that the AD wanted Carr to retire but I don't know that it was a "retire or I'll make you retire" situation. I sort of thought it was more along the lines of Carr saw the writing on the wall and felt he needed to retire when he did so he could do it on his terms and not have to go out being essentially terminated a season or two later.
Actually, Carr had wanted to retire a year before, and the AD asked him to stay on for another year. When he did retire as coach, he was given a new position as "associate Athletic Director" at almost $400k per year, where he oversaw fundraising and the athletic department's support for charities. That doesn't sound like a hostile retirement to me.
When Bill Martin left, Carr also retired from his Associate AD position. That might not have been entirely his own choice. That may be where the "forced to retire" stuff is coming from.
If that's true it makes Carr's behavior even more craven. While you can't condone it, if you're forced into retirement it is only human nature to sort of want the guy they picked to replace you to fall flat on his face. A bigger man will overcome such a thing, but it's understandable to have that sort of ill-wish for a successor.
But if Carr's retirement really was entirely voluntary, then it just makes him seem like an ass to have worked against the new coach.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 25, 2011, 10:33:26 AM
If that's true it makes Carr's behavior even more craven. While you can't condone it, if you're forced into retirement it is only human nature to sort of want the guy they picked to replace you to fall flat on his face. A bigger man will overcome such a thing, but it's understandable to have that sort of ill-wish for a successor.
But if Carr's retirement really was entirely voluntary, then it just makes him seem like an ass to have worked against the new coach.
Particularly when you are the one most responsible for Rodriguez getting the offer.
So Oregon is doing a thing with their uniforms for the Rose Bowl:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fimages%2Fcollegefootball%2F394111_n.jpeg&hash=c7d063883794b937db219cdeb54c110bbb4a07ce)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbssports.com%2Fimages%2Fcollegefootball%2F402383_n.jpeg&hash=7553a5b4d5753870e68a8ef8aed9c55a2065c6ba)
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/34060346
Closeup of the helmet from a different site:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.thepostgame.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Foregonuniforms3%255B122711%255D_345x259.jpg&hash=15a7c458a5d6657c17b841db09b68c19df1ec7ac)
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201112/darth-vader-playing-rose-bowl
:yuk: Nike's webpage is loading really slowly for me for some reason, but they have a more stuff about them + more photos here:
http://www.nikeinc.com/news/oregon-ducks-will-wear-most-innovative-football-uniform-to-date-for-rose-bowl#/inline/6257
Ah there it goes. Finally loaded. Here's a closeup of the shiny shoulder part:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fnikeinc%2Fassets%2F6252%2FBCS_Ducks_0650_large.jpg&hash=3d377a68325450fa700ee1236e563296695e005f)
Will they all be sporting the Darth Vader visors?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 27, 2011, 03:32:13 PM
Will they all be sporting the Darth Vader visors?
Unfortunately, no.
Texas has changed their uniforms for the bowl game too. NEW GLOVES AND SOCKS :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Heh.
Ducks unis need a death head.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 27, 2011, 09:09:15 PM
Ducks unis need a death head.
:lol: No shit. They going to Pasadena, or the fucking Balkans?
Just makes me root for the Wisconsin Whiteys even more. I hope those cheeseheads run Monty on 8 minute grinders on those fucks.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 27, 2011, 03:32:13 PM
Will they all be sporting the Darth Vader visors?
Certainly not - that would be against NCAA rules. All visors must be clear.
Big Ten and Pac 12 announce a new scheduling collaboration to increase inter-conference scheduling in all sports http://www.bigten.org/genrel/122811aae.html
This means one inter-conference football game per team per year, starting no later than 2017. Other sports to pick this up sooner, as scheduling allows, but certainly not within the first year.
Great, great news. I loved those inter-conference match-ups in football, even though the home teams had huge advantages. I have been calling for their return ever since they stopped doing them seven or eight years ago.
Great news as a fan, not sure it's in the best interests of the B1G/Pac-12, though. At least in terms of national title races go...it will mean it will be more likely for good B1G/Pac-12 teams to go undefeated. And as everyone knows in the new age of SEC Football, the only way a non-SEC team even has a hope to go to the national championship is if they are undefeated and/or every team in the SEC has multiple losses. (I'm obviously exaggerating, but no one can deny the SEC teams are given favorable treatment in terms of pollsters forgiving them the occasional loss versus how pollsters respond when teams from other conferences drop a game.)
They are just copying the MWC-CUSA (rolleyes)
Quote from: PDH on December 28, 2011, 08:29:45 PM
They are just copying the MWC-CUSA (rolleyes)
I don't even know what a "MWC-CUSA" is. Is that the way dyslexics spell the synonym for "pardon me?" :P
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2011, 09:39:14 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 28, 2011, 08:29:45 PM
They are just copying the MWC-CUSA (rolleyes)
I don't even know what a "MWC-CUSA" is. Is that the way dyslexics spell the synonym for "pardon me?" :P
Fuck you and your conferences that mean something.
Quote from: PDH on December 28, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2011, 09:39:14 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 28, 2011, 08:29:45 PM
They are just copying the MWC-CUSA (rolleyes)
I don't even know what a "MWC-CUSA" is. Is that the way dyslexics spell the synonym for "pardon me?" :P
Fuck you and your conferences that mean something.
MWC-CUSA champ should be able to get into a big bowl.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 28, 2011, 11:07:14 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 28, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2011, 09:39:14 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 28, 2011, 08:29:45 PM
They are just copying the MWC-CUSA (rolleyes)
I don't even know what a "MWC-CUSA" is. Is that the way dyslexics spell the synonym for "pardon me?" :P
Fuck you and your conferences that mean something.
MWC-CUSA champ should be able to get into a big bowl.
Is a salad bowl big enough? It is all they deserve.
:punk:
I love Texas' defense so much :cry:
Ash looked pretty decent as well. I had such a blast following that team this year, special times are ahead. :punk:
Just watched SEC Storied: The Play That Changed College Football on ESPNU.
Excellent piece on the first SEC Championship game, and everything that rode on it. Alabama and Florida, 1992. Man, what a game that was. You young'uns missed a good one.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 29, 2011, 12:06:26 AM
Just watched SEC Storied: The Play That Changed College Football on ESPNU.
Excellent piece on the first SEC Championship game, and everything that rode on it. Alabama and Florida, 1992. Man, what a game that was. You young'uns missed a good one.
I watched it. I somehow thought Bama would revenge the 1990 Cotton Bowl by proxy. :P I bet Gene Stallings would be sickened if he knew that was what he was doing.
It was played in Birmingham for some reason and Bama blocked a punt for a TD or something like that.
Edit: Ok I googled it, it was an int return that won the game.
Gotta give it to Air Force for going for the win. No guts, no glory. Unfortunately, when you rely on the holder, there's very little chance for glory.
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2011, 05:18:36 PM
Big Ten and Pac 12 announce a new scheduling collaboration to increase inter-conference scheduling in all sports http://www.bigten.org/genrel/122811aae.html
This means one inter-conference football game per team per year, starting no later than 2017. Other sports to pick this up sooner, as scheduling allows, but certainly not within the first year.
Great, great news. I loved those inter-conference match-ups in football, even though the home teams had huge advantages. I have been calling for their return ever since they stopped doing them seven or eight years ago.
I almost don't want to comment on this, because it seems kind of unreal to me in todays college football meta-game for the Pac-12 and Big-10 to do something like this, yet it is *exactly* what I love to see happen.
Does this hurt both conferences chances of putting a team into the title game? Yeah, probably. The SEC has made it clear how the meta-game works - you play nobody OOC, and *certainly* nobody any good away from home. You play as few in conference games as you can get away with, and you ensure that your top couple teams make a BCS bowl and a title game, and everyone gets paid. Rinse and repeat. The regular season only exists to get the best possible ($$$) bowl invites.
This flies directly in the face of all of that, and combined with the Pac-12 staying with their 9 game conference schedule, it is very surprising.
I love it. I love the focus on the regular season, which is where the focus should be in college football IMO. I love the fact that playing tough OOC games better prepares you for a winning in conference record, and IMO that should matter more than anything else, and DOES matter more than anything else for the 9 or 10 teams in each conference who are not going to play for a title whether they play a decent OOC game or not.
Finally, it creates the kind of inter-conference rivalries that are just plain fun. I am looking forward to each year lording the Pac-12 record over the BIg-10, and how that proves how much better we are, or alternatively excusing how our showing was really just a set of unlucky match-ups, and losing 75% of the games this year doesn't really mean anything at all....
Quote from: Berkut on December 29, 2011, 11:18:27 AM
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2011, 05:18:36 PM
Big Ten and Pac 12 announce a new scheduling collaboration to increase inter-conference scheduling in all sports http://www.bigten.org/genrel/122811aae.html
This means one inter-conference football game per team per year, starting no later than 2017. Other sports to pick this up sooner, as scheduling allows, but certainly not within the first year.
Great, great news. I loved those inter-conference match-ups in football, even though the home teams had huge advantages. I have been calling for their return ever since they stopped doing them seven or eight years ago.
I almost don't want to comment on this, because it seems kind of unreal to me in todays college football meta-game for the Pac-12 and Big-10 to do something like this, yet it is *exactly* what I love to see happen.
Does this hurt both conferences chances of putting a team into the title game? Yeah, probably. The SEC has made it clear how the meta-game works - you play nobody OOC, and *certainly* nobody any good away from home. You play as few in conference games as you can get away with, and you ensure that your top couple teams make a BCS bowl and a title game, and everyone gets paid. Rinse and repeat. The regular season only exists to get the best possible ($$$) bowl invites.
This flies directly in the face of all of that, and combined with the Pac-12 staying with their 9 game conference schedule, it is very surprising.
I love it. I love the focus on the regular season, which is where the focus should be in college football IMO. I love the fact that playing tough OOC games better prepares you for a winning in conference record, and IMO that should matter more than anything else, and DOES matter more than anything else for the 9 or 10 teams in each conference who are not going to play for a title whether they play a decent OOC game or not.
Finally, it creates the kind of inter-conference rivalries that are just plain fun. I am looking forward to each year lording the Pac-12 record over the BIg-10, and how that proves how much better we are, or alternatively excusing how our showing was really just a set of unlucky match-ups, and losing 75% of the games this year doesn't really mean anything at all....
It seems the Big 10 and the Pac 12 want to be permanently "behind" the SEC. They aren't following the easy-win-and-get-espn-praise formula.
Still, I think it's good too. Many of the quality programs have been trying to schedule big home-and-home sets with good schools in September anyway. This will make it easier.
I thought LSU played Oregon to start the season, and plays Washington next year.
Alabama played Penn State the last coupla years, and kicks off against Michigan next year.
That doesn't sound like they are creating the easiest possible non-conference schedules.
Quote from: grumbler on December 29, 2011, 12:18:41 PM
I thought LSU played Oregon to start the season, and plays Washington next year.
Alabama played Penn State the last coupla years, and kicks off against Michigan next year.
That doesn't sound like they are creating the easiest possible non-conference schedules.
That's dangerous ground, arguing against Berkut's theory that the SEC plays no one but cupcakes will result in him linking to a bunch of SOS websites and such.
Some of them have indeed been trying also.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 29, 2011, 12:49:43 PM
Some of them have indeed been trying also.
Yes, SEC teams have been getting better about OOC games, even leaving the South occasionally, but only very recently.
What we really need is not just good OOC matchups, but also do it at different times in the season. Alabama playing Penn State is one thing. Alabama playing Penn State in late November would be a completely different one. It's dumb how all the OOC games are at the beginning.
Quote from: grumbler on December 29, 2011, 12:18:41 PM
I thought LSU played Oregon to start the season, and plays Washington next year.
Alabama played Penn State the last coupla years, and kicks off against Michigan next year.
That doesn't sound like they are creating the easiest possible non-conference schedules.
Look at the conference as a whole, and how they schedule OOC, especially considering that their in conference play is only 8 games, leaving them 4 OOC games to schedule each year.
Sure, there are the exceptions, the occasional ESPN matchup against someone (and LSU seems a lot more willing that most in fact - if I was LSU i wouldn't be afraid to schedule anyone either), but overall they have very poor OOC scheduling.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 29, 2011, 12:46:04 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 29, 2011, 12:18:41 PM
I thought LSU played Oregon to start the season, and plays Washington next year.
Alabama played Penn State the last coupla years, and kicks off against Michigan next year.
That doesn't sound like they are creating the easiest possible non-conference schedules.
That's dangerous ground, arguing against Berkut's theory that the SEC plays no one but cupcakes will result in him linking to a bunch of SOS websites and such.
Yeah, that would be a crazy thing to do when talking about strength of schedule....to actually link to data about strength of schedules!
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 29, 2011, 12:05:14 PM
Still, I think it's good too. Many of the quality programs have been trying to schedule big home-and-home sets with good schools in September anyway. This will make it easier.
What is needed is some actual incentive to do so however, especially for the mid-tier programs.
Basketball has the NCAA tourney committee that has a subjective imput that includes quality of play in their consideration, and since it is subjective, everyone knows that a "good loss" early in the year does not really hurt you in basketball. Going out and playing good teams away or on neutral courts in general isn't going to hurt your shot at getting into the tournament, unless you aren't good enough to get in anyway. But it can certainly help you given a so-so conference record.
There really isn't anything similar in football though, except for programs that are in non-BCS conferences, and THEY cannot get good games because nobody wants to play them for the exact same reason - it can only hurt them.
Quote from: Valmy on December 28, 2011, 11:58:54 PM
Ash looked pretty decent as well.
I thought he actually looked pretty good, especially with the C basically not blocking (seriously, WTF), and Mike Davis just deciding not to catch at least a couple early passes that hit him in the hands that would have actually made some differences, like the easy one that bounced off of him on 3rd down in the...first Q, I think.
Ash made some mistakes, of course, but didn't seem to freak out really at all like he did earlier in the year or...you know...like Gilbert.
I'm starting to think I may have made the wrong decision by not going to the Alamo Bowl this year.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 29, 2011, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 29, 2011, 11:18:27 AM
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2011, 05:18:36 PM
Big Ten and Pac 12 announce a new scheduling collaboration to increase inter-conference scheduling in all sports http://www.bigten.org/genrel/122811aae.html
This means one inter-conference football game per team per year, starting no later than 2017. Other sports to pick this up sooner, as scheduling allows, but certainly not within the first year.
Great, great news. I loved those inter-conference match-ups in football, even though the home teams had huge advantages. I have been calling for their return ever since they stopped doing them seven or eight years ago.
I almost don't want to comment on this, because it seems kind of unreal to me in todays college football meta-game for the Pac-12 and Big-10 to do something like this, yet it is *exactly* what I love to see happen.
Does this hurt both conferences chances of putting a team into the title game? Yeah, probably. The SEC has made it clear how the meta-game works - you play nobody OOC, and *certainly* nobody any good away from home. You play as few in conference games as you can get away with, and you ensure that your top couple teams make a BCS bowl and a title game, and everyone gets paid. Rinse and repeat. The regular season only exists to get the best possible ($$$) bowl invites.
This flies directly in the face of all of that, and combined with the Pac-12 staying with their 9 game conference schedule, it is very surprising.
I love it. I love the focus on the regular season, which is where the focus should be in college football IMO. I love the fact that playing tough OOC games better prepares you for a winning in conference record, and IMO that should matter more than anything else, and DOES matter more than anything else for the 9 or 10 teams in each conference who are not going to play for a title whether they play a decent OOC game or not.
Finally, it creates the kind of inter-conference rivalries that are just plain fun. I am looking forward to each year lording the Pac-12 record over the BIg-10, and how that proves how much better we are, or alternatively excusing how our showing was really just a set of unlucky match-ups, and losing 75% of the games this year doesn't really mean anything at all....
It seems the Big 10 and the Pac 12 want to be permanently "behind" the SEC. They aren't following the easy-win-and-get-espn-praise formula.
Still, I think it's good too. Many of the quality programs have been trying to schedule big home-and-home sets with good schools in September anyway. This will make it easier.
It certainly seems that in recent years, the PAC-10 had done the best job of any of the BCS conferences in actually scheduling tough OOC games.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 29, 2011, 09:32:58 PM
I'm starting to think I may have made the wrong decision by not going to the Alamo Bowl this year.
Yep. Wrong decision. This game is ridiculous.
Then again, you can see everything a lot better on TV. 53 - 49 Baylor at the end of the 3rd. :lol:
Look at Keith Price showing up the Heisman winner. 7 TDs. :lol:
Washington cannot handle Baylor's wide open unpredictable Big 12 attack with their crazy 'Run Terrence Gannaway up the middle' trickeration. Seriously has Washington never seen a team run the ball before? They sure act like it.
Of course Baylor has not stopped anybody (except Case McCoy) all year so maybe Washington has their talent level on defense. If that is the case the Alamo Bowl sure picked a great match up.
Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2011, 12:35:11 AM
Look at Keith Price showing up the Heisman winner. 7 TDs. :lol:
Still 2:30 left! He could make it 8. Or 9. :lol: Oh shit nevermind fummmmbbbllllleeeee. Griffin will just hand it off again (40 yard TD).
Why did Washington just burn their last timeout when the clock was stopped?
67 - 56 Final. 479 rushing yards for Baylor. 777 total yards. 617 for UW, with 437 through the air.
I had a feelign that would be a fun game but that was absurd.
If the Ducks don't win the Rose Bowl, which I am not feeling very good about, the Pac-12 is probably going to get shut out this bowl season. :(
EDIT: Of course I would have posted this before the bowls started. There are only 2 left to play right? Oregon and Stanford?
Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2011, 01:03:35 AM
If the Ducks don't win the Rose Bowl, which I am not feeling very good about, the Pac-12 is probably going to get shut out this bowl season. :(
EDIT: Of course I would have posted this before the bowls started. There are only 2 left to play right? Oregon and Stanford?
Three. Rose, Fiesta, and the bigtime Fight Hunger Bowl.
Notre Dame ended the 2011 season in exactly the same manner they started it. They really have to fix that red zone thing.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 30, 2011, 01:11:22 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2011, 01:03:35 AM
If the Ducks don't win the Rose Bowl, which I am not feeling very good about, the Pac-12 is probably going to get shut out this bowl season. :(
EDIT: Of course I would have posted this before the bowls started. There are only 2 left to play right? Oregon and Stanford?
Three. Rose, Fiesta, and the bigtime Fight Hunger Bowl.
I had to look it up to see if the Fight Hunger Bowl was real. :blush:
I had forgotten about that game. Thinking UCLA could beat anyone is a major reach but I heard one guy calling UCLA one of his bowl game locks, taking UCLA and the 2.5 points. I can't imagine they can win a game and I think Stanford is going to get run out of the stadium in the Fiesta Bowl.
Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2011, 03:07:37 AM
I had to look it up to see if the Fight Hunger Bowl was real. :blush:
:lol: No worries. It pretty much....isn't.
QuoteI had forgotten about that game. Thinking UCLA could beat anyone is a major reach but I heard one guy calling UCLA one of his bowl game locks, taking UCLA and the 2.5 points. I can't imagine they can win a game and I think Stanford is going to get run out of the stadium in the Fiesta Bowl.
Well, the Illini can't get Zooked anymore, but then again, the Bruins can't get Neuheiseled anymore. Good matchup?
Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2011, 03:07:37 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 30, 2011, 01:11:22 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 30, 2011, 01:03:35 AM
If the Ducks don't win the Rose Bowl, which I am not feeling very good about, the Pac-12 is probably going to get shut out this bowl season. :(
EDIT: Of course I would have posted this before the bowls started. There are only 2 left to play right? Oregon and Stanford?
Three. Rose, Fiesta, and the bigtime Fight Hunger Bowl.
I had to look it up to see if the Fight Hunger Bowl was real. :blush:
I had forgotten about that game. Thinking UCLA could beat anyone is a major reach but I heard one guy calling UCLA one of his bowl game locks, taking UCLA and the 2.5 points. I can't imagine they can win a game and I think Stanford is going to get run out of the stadium in the Fiesta Bowl.
You also have Utah (now a Pac-12 member, remember?) against Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl this afternoon. Utah is certainly capable of beating GT, I think. Not saying that they will, just that it's not a hopeless mismatch on the face of it.
EDIT: Sun Bowl is tomorrow afternoon.
Quote from: Valmy on December 30, 2011, 01:35:58 AM
Notre Dame ended the 2011 season in exactly the same manner they started it. They really have to fix that red zone thing.
...sigh...
Wisconsin's response to the Oregon uniform abominations:
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/123011aaa.html
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White makes Right, baby. Go Badgerers.
Vandy-Cincy heating up all of a sudden.
Hey, the forgotten Utes came through with a W for the PAC. Last I saw UCLA was losing to Illinois, but I couldn't stand to watch it anymore.
Texas A&M finally managed to not give a game away (although they really tried) and got their first bowl win in...a long, long time. No doubt they're already talking about their upcoming domination of the SEC West.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2011, 07:02:43 PM
White makes Right, baby. Go Badgerers.
Truth.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 31, 2011, 06:24:26 PM
Last I saw UCLA was losing to Illinois, but I couldn't stand to watch it anymore.
Of course Illinois won. Even as bad as the Illini are, the Bruins are worse.
6-8 baby!
In a shocking turn of events, the Defensive Coordinator responsible for the records of most yards allowed and 2nd most points allowed in this Baylor bowl game has been let go up at U of Washington.
Quote from: katmai on December 31, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
In a shocking turn of events, the Defensive Coordinator responsible for the records of most yards allowed and 2nd most points allowed in this Baylor bowl game has been let go up at U of Washington.
Surprised either one of those DCs were even allowed on the plane home.
Here's an interesting article on the SEC's current dominance of national titles: http://www.omaha.com/article/20111231/SPORTS/712319797
Most interesting statement:
Quote...the SEC's rise to powerhouse is no fluke. And the reasons behind it — the power sources — suggest that the gap between the SEC and its competitors may actually grow over the next five years.
Bandwagonners, man your bandwagon!
I was looking for the time of the Gator bowl and to my horror, discovered that Taxslayer is sponsoring it. I'm gonna have to put up with their shitty commercials. :cry:
Quote from: grumbler on January 01, 2012, 01:40:01 PM
Here's an interesting article on the SEC's current dominance of national titles: http://www.omaha.com/article/20111231/SPORTS/712319797
Most interesting statement: Quote...the SEC's rise to powerhouse is no fluke. And the reasons behind it — the power sources — suggest that the gap between the SEC and its competitors may actually grow over the next five years.
Bandwagonners, man your bandwagon!
Well, it makes sense. The other colleges have the disadvantage of being institutes of higher learning, whereas the SEC is just minor-league football.
Quote from: grumbler on January 01, 2012, 01:40:01 PM
Bandwagonners, man your bandwagon!
:lol: Don't be hatin'. It's just good, quality football. Bigger, stronger, faster. Can't say the same for the ACC or some other conferences out there.
I still have love for the Big Ten, man. :cry: They better take this fucking Rose Bowl. I don't want to see Berkut have an aneurysm to start off the new year.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 01, 2012, 01:40:01 PM
Bandwagonners, man your bandwagon!
:lol: Don't be hatin'. It's just good, quality football. Bigger, stronger, faster. Can't say the same for the ACC or some other conferences out there.
I still have love for the Big Ten, man. :cry: They better take this fucking Rose Bowl. I don't want to see Berkut have an aneurysm to start off the new year.
Why would I be rooting for the Big-10 in the Rose Bowl?
I mean, maybe if ASU was playing...
Quote from: Berkut on January 01, 2012, 05:53:51 PM
Why would I be rooting for the Big-10 in the Rose Bowl?
I mean, maybe if ASU was playing...
I know your hatred for Oregon goes beyond PAC-10 loyalty. I can tell.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 01, 2012, 01:40:01 PM
Bandwagonners, man your bandwagon!
:lol: Don't be hatin'. It's just good, quality football. Bigger, stronger, faster. Can't say the same for the ACC or some other conferences out there.
I still have love for the Big Ten, man. :cry: They better take this fucking Rose Bowl. I don't want to see Berkut have an aneurysm to start off the new year.
I'm not going to argue against the SEC's recent superiority, but while it's a good league, the article that Timmay linked to was crap.
Quote from: dps on January 01, 2012, 06:56:47 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 01, 2012, 01:40:01 PM
Bandwagonners, man your bandwagon!
:lol: Don't be hatin'. It's just good, quality football. Bigger, stronger, faster. Can't say the same for the ACC or some other conferences out there.
I still have love for the Big Ten, man. :cry: They better take this fucking Rose Bowl. I don't want to see Berkut have an aneurysm to start off the new year.
I'm not going to argue against the SEC's recent superiority, but while it's a good league, the article that Timmay linked to was crap.
:huh: Que?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2012, 05:57:46 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 01, 2012, 05:53:51 PM
Why would I be rooting for the Big-10 in the Rose Bowl?
I mean, maybe if ASU was playing...
I know your hatred for Oregon goes beyond PAC-10 loyalty. I can tell.
Oh no, not even close.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 01, 2012, 07:17:38 PM
Quote from: dps on January 01, 2012, 06:56:47 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 01, 2012, 01:40:01 PM
Bandwagonners, man your bandwagon!
:lol: Don't be hatin'. It's just good, quality football. Bigger, stronger, faster. Can't say the same for the ACC or some other conferences out there.
I still have love for the Big Ten, man. :cry: They better take this fucking Rose Bowl. I don't want to see Berkut have an aneurysm to start off the new year.
I'm not going to argue against the SEC's recent superiority, but while it's a good league, the article that Timmay linked to was crap.
:huh: Que?
Oh, it was grumbler. I saw a link to a crappy article and just assumed that you were the one that posted it.
Quote from: dps on January 01, 2012, 07:33:12 PM
Oh, it was grumbler. I saw a link to a crappy article and just assumed that you were the one that posted it.
Too many big words, huh? :hug:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
:lol: Don't be hatin'. It's just good, quality football. Bigger, stronger, faster. Can't say the same for the ACC or some other conferences out there.
Michigan has an excellent record against the SEC (20-6-1). I'm not convinced that the SEC overall is any bigger, stronger, or faster than, say, the B10, Pac12, or B12. Their top teams have been very impressive in the last decade, but USC was as dominant for as long as the top SEC teams, and didn't take JuCo transfers or over-sign recruits.
I think the main things the SEC teams have going for them lately are
(1) they spend money on coaches. The rest of the NCAA is going to have to catch up
(2) success breeds success - good records bring good recruits, which get drafted because they are well-coached (see #1), which brings more good recruits.
The oversigning of recruits, and the willingness to take anyone with a minimum of academic qualifications, have been perennial issues with the SEC, so I don't see them getting so much better lately based on those issues, though they are certainly advantages many other schools don't have.
Oklahoma and Texas lost in hard fought games to Florida and Bama in 2008 and 2009. Both of those games could have gone the other way. The SEC is the best but the Big 12 can produce teams that can beat them. I think people are overstating the gap between the leagues.
Quote from: grumbler on January 01, 2012, 07:55:08 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
:lol: Don't be hatin'. It's just good, quality football. Bigger, stronger, faster. Can't say the same for the ACC or some other conferences out there.
Michigan has an excellent record against the SEC (20-6-1). I'm not convinced that the SEC overall is any bigger, stronger, or faster than, say, the B10, Pac12, or B12. Their top teams have been very impressive in the last decade, but USC was as dominant for as long as the top SEC teams, and didn't take JuCo transfers or over-sign recruits.
I think the main things the SEC teams have going for them lately are
(1) they spend money on coaches. The rest of the NCAA is going to have to catch up
(2) success breeds success - good records bring good recruits, which get drafted because they are well-coached (see #1), which brings more good recruits.
The oversigning of recruits, and the willingness to take anyone with a minimum of academic qualifications, have been perennial issues with the SEC, so I don't see them getting so much better lately based on those issues, though they are certainly advantages many other schools don't have.
I don't disagree with that. The main issue I took with the article was the #1 point about the title game. I just don't see it as really being an important factor--having a title game hasn't done the ACC much good--and someday a title game loss is going to keep a team out of a BCS title game (if the BCS continues in anything remotely like its current form). I also don't think that population trends are really a big part of why the SEC has been so successful, and I'm not quite convinced that the SEC defenses are really all that great year in and year out.
Quote from: dps on January 01, 2012, 08:36:51 PM
having a title game hasn't done the ACC much good
Neither has expansion. The whole point of adding FSU, VT and Miami was to increase the chances of the ACC winning the National Championship. Pfft.
The ACC has really been underperforming the last decade or so and that's helped a lot with recruiting I think.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2012, 08:41:19 PM
Quote from: dps on January 01, 2012, 08:36:51 PM
having a title game hasn't done the ACC much good
Neither has expansion. The whole point of adding FSU, VT and Miami was to increase the chances of the ACC winning the National Championship. Pfft.
What the heck happened to FSU and Miami? Back in 1999 I would have found their recent mediocrity spells unconcievable.
Quote from: Valmy on January 01, 2012, 09:11:14 PM
What the heck happened to FSU and Miami?
Bobby Bowden checked out long before he retired, and Ken Dorsey graduated.
Man, back in the day, Miami was so good. They could have beaten some NFL teams.
Only if you aged the players.
Now see, this is nice; it's a Monday, but still a holiday, so we get buried in the beauty of college football. Squee.
Only annoying thing is the traffic jam at 1pm, with three great games at once.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2012, 06:57:21 AM
Now see, this is nice; it's a Monday, but still a holiday, so we get buried in the beauty of college football. Squee.
Only annoying thing is the traffic jam at 1pm, with three great games at once.
Hopefully Houston will be up by 70 or 80 on Penn State by the time the Gator, Capital One, and Outback bowls start, if only to cut down on the channel flipping workload.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 02, 2012, 07:09:11 AM
if only to cut down on the channel flipping workload.
10 years ago, I could stack the televisions. No more terrestrial broadcasting. Stupid modern technology.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2012, 07:12:12 AM
10 years ago, I could stack the televisions. No more terrestrial broadcasting. Stupid modern technology.
Something like Sunday Ticket's game selection channel would be the shit on one of those huge Panasonic (I think) TVs. The TVs with that "big head" commercial.
Or a projector, but I don't have a suitable room for one of those. Too bright.
Edit: Sharp? They're like 80" LEDs.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2012, 06:57:21 AM
Only annoying thing is the traffic jam at 1pm, with three great games at once.
Well, 2 anyway. The Gator Bowl has 2 great names, but they're hardly great teams this year. Though it still could be a good game--they seem pretty evenly matched--I can't really get excited about a match-up of 2 6-6 teams.
Figure I'll start out with the Outback Bowl.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2012, 06:57:21 AM
Only annoying thing is the traffic jam at 1pm, with three great games at once.
And all of them are SEC East vs. Big 10. I'd have liked to see the SC and Florida games. <_<
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The Coogs are up 17-0 and driving right now.
E: Whoa the kicker hit the upright pretty much dead on. Would have been a helluva kick if...you know...it was a good thing to bounce them off the upright.
:lol:
Ohio State is doomed.
Wonder if the Big 10 will go 0-for-5 again.
Quote from: grumbler on January 01, 2012, 07:55:08 PMMichigan has an excellent record against the SEC (20-6-1). I'm not convinced that the SEC overall is any bigger, stronger, or faster than, say, the B10, Pac12, or B12. Their top teams have been very impressive in the last decade, but USC was as dominant for as long as the top SEC teams, and didn't take JuCo transfers or over-sign recruits.
"And didn't take JuCo transfers or over-sign recruits." The average SEC fan sees no nobility in that, the only thing that matters to them is winning. The fact that you would even say that like it made USC's achievement more honorable shows you are out of touch with the red necks of the SEC, to them anything that isn't maximizing your chance to win isn't noble at all. I'm actually a little shocked the conference passed rules to limit oversigning; I don't know if schools like Miss. State/Kentucky/Vandy were doing it, but Alabama and LSU have essentially made it their trademark.
I suspect maybe Florida opposed it as they are one of the few SEC schools that seems to have any interest in propriety whatsoever.
That article summed up a lot of the reasons I think the SEC has become the dominant conference. The demographic argument is legitimate, and is supported by some statistics in the article. Are the fastest and strongest players in the Big 10 slower and weaker than the best in the SEC? I doubt it, but with the SEC generating more NFL talent per population unit than Big 10 country it is hard to deny there is a demographic advantage in the deep south.
The SEC is in the growing sunbelt and especially has a large population of blacks, who tend to reproduce rapidly and have a population weighted more to younger age groups. The rust belt is in stagnation and tends towards an older population, as many of the people who haven't left the rust belt are retired and thus don't need to move to get a job.
I don't think a conference championship in and of itself intrinsically helped the SEC, I think the business deal behind the SEC's championship helped the SEC. The SEC I think did a much better job of making money off of their conference championship game than the ACC has. Of course, the ACC is also plagued by a lack of competitiveness and programs that generally don't have strong fan bases. In the ACC you have Virginia Tech, Clemson, and Florida State that have strong fanbases. Of those schools, since the ACC went to a divisional format with a championship game only VT has been consistently good.
FSU and Miami being terrible has truly ruined the ACC's product. And then when you have really mediocre Wake Forest or Georgia Tech like schools winning the conference on occasion it just makes the whole league look bad. The SEC has some weak schools, but I think something that helps them is aside from Vanderbilt every SEC school turns out serious football attendance. In the ACC aside from literally Virginia Tech, Clemson, and FSU none of the schools take their football very seriously.
The SEC making a lot of money certainly helps them buy the best coaches, but Ohio state, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Penn State are all in the top 10 of AD revenues; so there is really no reason aside from cultural ones those schools don't have $5m/year coaches. I don't know if it's still the case after the recent changes at OSU and Michigan, but I know just a few years ago Kirk Ferentz was the highest paid coach in the Big 10, which makes little sense that a school like Iowa is paying more than any of the four I've already named (especially more than Michigan and OSU.)
Of course this is all just chatting about the little stuff while ignoring the 800-pound gorilla in the room. The real reason the SEC has been so dominant is the SEC has extremely high levels of institutional expertise at cheating. The SEC has boosters that are so deeply involved in the program, to the point of buying players and such, that I think the whole Cam Newton thing was literally just the tip of the iceberg. Moreover, even when they caught Auburn red handed note that Auburn didn't receive any penalties whatsoever, because as the saying goes, in the SEC "cheating is an art form." It's really telling that a school like LSU has received virtually no meaningful NCAA infractions at all in the past decade, but Michigan got sanctioned for a piddling practice time violation and OSU players got caught selling memorabilia for a few thousand dollars in benefits. At Auburn you have big money deals going on that result in no penalties whatsoever.
Houston has only run the ball 7 times (they just had two runs in a row) for 40 yards or so. Keenum is 35/51 443yds 3td 0int passing though. Well it's more now, they're running plays so fast I can't keep up.
For comparison, PSU has 266 yards total if you want to count kick and punt returns.
E: Hey the PSU QB got his third completion: A 63 yard TD :lol: And...like a minute later, Houston has run 6 plays and is inside the PSU 15.
Quote from: Berkut on January 02, 2012, 12:35:03 AM
Man, back in the day, Miami was so good. They could have beaten some NFL teams.
I remember when they beat Arizona 8-7. Ah Desert Swarm.
Ohio State's offense couldn't beat a Special Olympics football team. Pfft.
Fickell, you suck.
Quote from: dps on January 02, 2012, 10:00:43 AM
Well, 2 anyway. The Gator Bowl has 2 great names, but they're hardly great teams this year. Though it still could be a good game--they seem pretty evenly matched--I can't really get excited about a match-up of 2 6-6 teams.
Figure I'll start out with the Outback Bowl.
It's amateur hour out there. I turned over to watch Michigan state instead.
Sparty had a nice drive at the end of the game, but damn that was a bad pick in OT. Saved, for the moment at least, by shitty kicking.
Oooooohhhhhh Sparty wins with the block!
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 02, 2012, 04:53:13 PM
Sparty had a nice drive at the end of the game, but damn that was a bad pick in OT. Saved, for the moment at least, by shitty kicking.
Oooooohhhhhh Sparty wins with the block!
Pretty good game, but marred by the field goal battle in OT.
The college OT system is terrible.
I don't know if it's a matter of not rotating enough players in or just the players they've got aren't fit enough, but this is the second game in a row the Georgia defense went from one of the best in the country in first half to barely mediocre in the second. <_<
I love the Boy Scout vs. gangster matchup in the Rose Bowl. The granddaddy of them all as they say.
I'll take that first half. I haven't seen Wisconsin play much but the Ducks are a great second half team and I think they are going to make enough adjustments to pull this out.
Quote from: dps on January 02, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
The college OT system is terrible.
Really? I think it is awesome. The battle for Field Goals in the NFL is a joke.
Quote from: Valmy on January 02, 2012, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: dps on January 02, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
The college OT system is terrible.
Really? I think it is awesome. The battle for Field Goals in the NFL is a joke.
But starting on the 25 yard line is ridiculous. I think both teams should get a possession, but play the game the normal way with a kickoff.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
But starting on the 25 yard line is ridiculous. I think both teams should get a possession, but play the game the normal way with a kickoff.
I could see the 40 but if everybody is starting at the other 20 the OT will be too long.
Quote from: Valmy on January 02, 2012, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 02, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
But starting on the 25 yard line is ridiculous. I think both teams should get a possession, but play the game the normal way with a kickoff.
I could see the 40 but if everybody is starting at the other 20 the OT will be too long.
How about the 50, that way they at least need a first down to kick the field goal.
Tim and dps are retarded ass clowns.
Great Rose Bowl so far.
The theme of good vs. evil is duplicated in the cheerleaders. Church Choir vs. Street Walkers.
Dark ducks of the sith keep getting hurt.
Oh boy. Looked like Clay sid out of bounds as he recovered that.
Fumble on a big catch, Oregon wraps it up.
Great game, really enjoyed it.
Ain't over yet. Please don't let them fuck this up.
If the Crips can't burn the little time that's left on the clock there's something wrong with them.
That's bullshit.
Really? Attempt to spike the ball with 2 seconds left? That was stupid as hell.
Quote from: Valmy on January 02, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Really? Attempt to spike the ball with 2 seconds left? That was stupid as hell.
Yep.
Quote from: Valmy on January 02, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Really? Attempt to spike the ball with 2 seconds left? That was stupid as hell.
What were they thinking?
Quote from: dps on January 02, 2012, 08:41:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 02, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Really? Attempt to spike the ball with 2 seconds left? That was stupid as hell.
What were they thinking?
That they 2 seconds, not 1.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2012, 08:43:44 PM
Quote from: dps on January 02, 2012, 08:41:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 02, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Really? Attempt to spike the ball with 2 seconds left? That was stupid as hell.
What were they thinking?
That they 2 seconds, not 1.
:D Please. The clock started right when the ref started it and it went 0 while the ball was in Wilson's hand. This was the Badgers, no the Ravens, it isn't always the refs' fault.
Now if Stanford beats OSU the Ducks are a very solid, legitimate #2.
That said I think the Cowboys win by 20.
Quote from: sbr on January 02, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
:D Please. The clock started right when the ref started it and it went 0 while the ball was in Wilson's hand. This was the Badgers, no the Ravens, it isn't always the refs' fault.
Right, douchebag. Wilson didn't see the UMPIRE BEHIND HIM, ERGO HE THOUGHT HE HAD 2 SECONDS AT THE SNAP, NOT 1.
Now, go lovingly tongue Berkut's hairy Ballsack of Quack, mkaythxbuhbye.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2012, 08:51:39 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 02, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
:D Please. The clock started right when the ref started it and it went 0 while the ball was in Wilson's hand. This was the Badgers, no the Ravens, it isn't always the refs' fault.
Right, douchebag. Wilson didn't see the UMPIRE BEHIND HIM, ERGO HE THOUGHT HE HAD 2 SECONDS AT THE SNAP, NOT 1.
Now, go lovingly tongue Berkut's hairy Ballsack of Quack, mkaythxbuhbye.
Oh.
And no.
I don't like OSU's uniforms.
Edit: Howya doin, Montgomery?
I wish OSU's unis were white on black.
I will forever root against Ok State in any bowl game. Valmy knows why.
How does a man get an infection on/in his inner thigh? :yucky:
Quote from: PDH on January 02, 2012, 09:12:55 PM
I will forever root against Ok State in any bowl game. Valmy knows why.
Is it because they're called the Cowboys?
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
Nice hit on his own return guy. :lol:
These ESPN guys need to get over the 4th down play in the Fiesta Bowl. It was a nice play, but the call to go for it was easy. You don't kick a 57 yard field goal and you don't punt from the opponents 40 yard line. Most teenagers who know the game know that is the right call.
Quote from: PDH on January 02, 2012, 09:12:55 PM
I will forever root against Ok State in any bowl game. Valmy knows why.
The Bay Area has failed you once again :console:
Lawsuitpete with a rare major bowl victory.
well fsu monumentally underachieved this season
it was a very disappointing year given our pre season expectations; that being said i take solace in the following:
1. wins over miami, florida, and notre dame in the same season is always a good thing;
2. our defense is back
3. 17 or so of our starting 22 are freshman or sophomores
Pedobear showed up at the Penn State-Houston game
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Looks like two different ones, or else the color on the Jumbotron is way off.
Quote from: Rasputin on January 03, 2012, 08:58:32 AM
well fsu monumentally underachieved this season
it was a very dissapointing year given our pre season expectations; that being said i take solace in the following:
1. wins over miami, florida, and notree dame in the same season is always a good thing;
2. our defense is back
3. 17 or so of our starting 22 are freshman orsophmores
FSU has had great defense through most of their swoon though right? It is mostly their offense that continues to stink.
At least that is my impression from way over here.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 03, 2012, 10:13:31 AM
Looks like two different ones, or else the color on the Jumbotron is way off.
Nah it's the same guy. Maybe a delayed video for the jumbotron or something. You can see the same people around him (dude in the sunglasses and black jacket and Mr. Trucker Hat look like they moved further away or something :lol:).
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/102812-Shaggy-to-Ticket-City-Bowl-%28UH-v.-Pedo-State%29-FEATURING-PEDO-BEAR-UPATE-It-s-on
It gets started on page two. WVU guy made that KEEP QUIET sign. This one is my favorite though:
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Just..... :lol:
Speaking of Pedo State, they sure looked completely outclassed by Houston. I hope they simply didn't show up or that does not reflect very well on the Big 10.
Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2012, 10:34:24 AM
Speaking of Pedo State, they sure looked completely outclassed by Houston. I hope they simply didn't show up or that does not reflect very well on the Big 10.
It's like they weren't ready for Houston to come out throwing the ball. So basically, they didn't know who they were playing or something.
We are playing Houston...aren't their top 2 QBs injured? We just have to stack the line to stop Arian Foster and we have a chance!
:lol:
Quote from: Rasputin on January 03, 2012, 08:58:32 AM
well fsu monumentally underachieved this season
it was a very disappointing year given our pre season expectations; that being said i take solace in the following:
1. wins over miami, florida, and notre dame in the same season is always a good thing;
2. our defense is back
3. 17 or so of our starting 22 are freshman or sophomores
And your bowl victory over ND plus FIU's loss to Marshall gave you the best record of any 1A team in Florida. Most years, that a real achievement; this year--well, it's actually a bit sad.
About to be stopped for a small loss? Obviously, the solution is to run 30 yards backwards then get tackled.
Lulz, suck it, Vick Tech.
Weaselly call in the Sugar Bowl on that VT touchdown in OT. They couldn't figure out if he landed in bounds or not so decided he bobbled it. :lol:
Well, Rich Rod got the DC he wanted - Casteel is leaving West Virginia for Arizona.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 04, 2012, 12:00:52 AM
Weaselly call in the Sugar Bowl on that VT touchdown in OT. They couldn't figure out if he landed in bounds or not so decided he bobbled it. :lol:
They deserved what they got, after going for that fake punt. Even when Michigan kept their regular defense in, knowing it was going to be a fake. 4th and 1 is a bitch from 15 yards away. Beamer Hubris was their undoing.
Fuck 'em. Good job, Blue.
Quote from: Berkut on January 04, 2012, 01:39:24 AM
Well, Rich Rod got the DC he wanted - Casteel is leaving West Virginia for Arizona.
That should prove interesting. The 3-3-5 in the Pac 12 has a chance of working.
Maybe the Big 10 should get a tie in to the Sugar Bowl, they seem to be doing well there.
Okay. The Orange Bowl has been really fun to watch so far.
Well now it's becoming a blowout. Clemson needs to get their shit together.
I'm mildly disappointed WVU didn't go for two at the end there, just to make it a nice, even 50 in the half.
Quote from: grumbler on January 04, 2012, 08:49:44 AMThat should prove interesting. The 3-3-5 in the Pac 12 has a chance of working.
I remember Notre Dame using it pretty effectively against everyone when they won the NC in '88.
But realistically Casteel is a joke, I couldn't believe Rodriguez wanted to bring him to Michigan, WVU never had a very good defense under Rodriguez. I also think their good defensive rankings the two years prior to the present were a function of West Virginia's Big East schedule being even easier than normal.
Not saying Casteel is god awful or just surprised Rodriguez, who has never had a good defense as a HC, didn't look for a more traditional DC with a decent track record. I mean I know it's Arizona but I have to think he could have found someone.
Fun game :)
Quote from: Berkut on January 04, 2012, 01:39:24 AM
Well, Rich Rod got the DC he wanted - Casteel is leaving West Virginia for Arizona.
Was that just recently made official? I remember my brother telling me about it several weeks ago.
Anyway, I agree with Otto & frankly won't miss Casteel too much. He produced some great defensive players, but not so great defenses.
:lol: MORE POINTS
I think the ACC sending two teams to BCS bowls is made especially egregious by this.
I wonder if Holgorsen will slow the offense down or keep scoring? Not sure what the etiquette is in a bowl game.
No Mercy! :menace:
Poor Clemson. My South Carolinian friend must be hanging himself right now. :cry:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 04, 2012, 11:09:39 PM
I wonder if Holgorsen will slow the offense down or keep scoring? Not sure what the etiquette is in a bowl game.
Showcase your talent-- you owe it to your seniors entering the draft.
Put the backups in, throw bombs for TDs.
"Hey, we had the #2 QB in there."
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 04, 2012, 11:21:47 PM
Poor Clemson. My South Carolinian friend must be hanging himself right now. :cry:
My cousin went to South Carolina so I'm sure he's loving it.
Spiess, is WR #1 for WVU a Senior?
E: Ah. Here it is. He's a Jr.
I hadn't really thought about the game much until today, but I knew WVU was going to win when nearly everyone in the pre-game picked Clemson by a large margin.
See: 2006 Sugar Bowl & 2008 Fiesta Bowl.
:lol: IT WASNT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN THIS WAY
You get a turnover like that on the goal line, it destroys everything quickly.
Hey, so how about those Temple Owls, huh?
Hmm, I'll take it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2012, 12:38:43 AM
:lol: IT WASNT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN THIS WAY
It did fuck up the narrative they had set up for the game, that's for sure :D
Also, it was good to see George Kennedy filling in as head referee. I kept waiting for him to tell Frank Drebin to turn in his badge & gun.
Quote from: derspiess on January 05, 2012, 01:31:59 AM
Also, it was good to see George Kennedy filling in as head referee. I kept waiting for him to tell Frank Drebin to turn in his badge & gun.
I dunno, I think he was quite appropriate for such a disaster flick.
Quote from: derspiess on January 04, 2012, 11:30:45 PM
I hadn't really thought about the game much until today, but I knew WVU was going to win when nearly everyone in the pre-game picked Clemson by a large margin.
See: 2006 Sugar Bowl & 2008 Fiesta Bowl.
If that is how it works hear me now and believe me later: West Virginia will sweep all before it and win the 2012 Big 12 Championship in decisive fashion.
Quote from: Valmy on January 05, 2012, 09:06:11 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 04, 2012, 11:30:45 PM
I hadn't really thought about the game much until today, but I knew WVU was going to win when nearly everyone in the pre-game picked Clemson by a large margin.
See: 2006 Sugar Bowl & 2008 Fiesta Bowl.
If that is how it works hear me now and believe me later: West Virginia will sweep all before it and win the 2012 Big 12 Championship in decisive fashion.
Except Kansas.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 05, 2012, 10:30:48 AM
Except Kansas.
That is different. Kansas will have a decided schematic advantage from now on.
Quote from: Valmy on January 05, 2012, 09:06:11 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 04, 2012, 11:30:45 PM
I hadn't really thought about the game much until today, but I knew WVU was going to win when nearly everyone in the pre-game picked Clemson by a large margin.
See: 2006 Sugar Bowl & 2008 Fiesta Bowl.
If that is how it works hear me now and believe me later: West Virginia will sweep all before it and win the 2012 Big 12 Championship in decisive fashion.
You're not Mark May, thankfully.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 04, 2012, 11:07:49 PM
I think the ACC sending two teams to BCS bowls is made especially egregious by this.
Yeah, I suppose, but we didn't really need this result to tell us that. Just compare VT with their bowl opponent--both teams had 2 losses, but Michigan was reasonably competitive in the games that they lost, while Tech go soundly thumped both times.
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I bet that guy had a good time last night.
Reminds me of this: http://youtu.be/0WBmrrRKg-c :lol:
No surprise to find out Chris Fowler's a dick. :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on January 05, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
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I bet that guy had a good time last night.
Yep, a much better night than the Clemson Band Girl had:
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
No surprise to find out Chris Fowler's a dick. :lol:
What happened?
He was mocking the crying Clemson kid.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2012, 09:13:38 PM
He was mocking the crying Clemson kid.
Like we wouldn't have. Right.
Quote from: dps on January 05, 2012, 09:17:25 PM
Like we wouldn't have. Right.
Typical Languish behavior is pretty dickish by RL standards.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
No surprise to find out Chris Fowler's a dick. :lol:
See, they DO goof on the fans during commercial breaks.
Quote from: derspiess on January 05, 2012, 06:05:58 PM
Yep, a much better night than the Clemson Band Girl had:
:lol: I caught that shot during the game, I thought it was hilarious, and was hoping somebody on the interwebs caught it, too.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2012, 09:21:08 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 05, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
No surprise to find out Chris Fowler's a dick. :lol:
See, they DO goof on the fans during commercial breaks.
Ah, I thought they were on air. :blush: Not quite as bad then.
Quote from: Valmy on January 05, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
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I bet that guy had a good time last night.
Hope he didn't get beat by angry rednecks outside the stadium.
Arrrrgh SMU's running back just broke his leg real bad.
Put a fork in the Tigers.
Wow this game sucked. :yucky:
Maybe next year's NC game will be better.
That was some pretty amazing defence.
At least NDSU won. :alberta:
Yeah, LSU's offense dropped a turd.
I am sooooooooooo tired of the Mothership.
I just want to know why they could not get someone better to sing the national anthem. <_<
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 09, 2012, 11:48:04 PM
That was some pretty amazing defence.
With the talent at LSU they had to put up a better fight than that. It was like once Bama stopped the option they had nothing.
Playoffs next year?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 10, 2012, 09:56:23 AM
Playoffs next year?
Looks like it. *fingers crossed*
Granted it is not a Canadian style 80 team playoff or anything. Just the top 4 but that works for me.
Fucking Alabama running up the score. They could have stopped with 3.
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2012, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 10, 2012, 09:56:23 AM
Playoffs next year?
Looks like it. *fingers crossed*
Granted it is not a Canadian style 80 team playoff or anything. Just the top 4 but that works for me.
Gotta start somewhere.
Quote from: PDH on January 10, 2012, 10:57:13 AM
Fucking Alabama running up the score. They could have stopped with 3.
But that's an insurmountable lead in the SEC :o
From some people I know who are familiar with West Virginia sports I've heard a bit more about Jeff Casteel (D. Coordinator) going to Arizona. Now that some of those details come out I'm really confused about why he is making the move. Apparently West Virginia offered him $200,000 more than he'll be making at Arizona, and a 4-year contract. I don't know what sort of contract Arizona is offering in terms of longevity, but typically assistants at most schools have 1 year contracts that are renewed season to season.
It makes me think that perhaps Holgorsen was "supportive" of the move. He was brought in at West Virginia in a very strange way; he was hired as Offensive Coordinator/Head-Coach-in-Waiting, and given full firing/hiring authority over the offense, but no input on the defensive staff. When WVU previous coach left before doing his "lame duck" season, it seems the defensive staff was semi-protected from being changed up by Holgorsen, and I think maybe as a young, new head coach Holgorsen may have been pushing to have full control of both sides of the football and maybe Casteel who has been at West Virginia since the Nehlen era bristled at that. I have heard that Holgorsen was going to let two of Casteel's assistants go and replace them whether he stayed or not, so it does seem if Casteel had stayed he'd have been giving up more control of his defense. But then, Rich Rodriguez is known as an infamous control-freak and egomaniac, and was also frequently guilty of straight-up raiding the defense at West Virginia and taking the fastest players and trying to make them offensive players, so I'm not sure it makes sense for him to go to Arizon. :huh:
I think it makes perfect sense, although not in a manner that is so great for Arizona.
He wants to be a head coach, and to be a head coach ADs want to see you be successful either at a big school, or at a variety of middle tier schools in different locales.
He needed to get out of West Virginia, in other words.
I suspect he will only be at Arizona for a year or two before he get s a HC gig somewhere.
Quote from: Berkut on January 11, 2012, 09:52:37 AM
I think it makes perfect sense, although not in a manner that is so great for Arizona.
He wants to be a head coach, and to be a head coach ADs want to see you be successful either at a big school, or at a variety of middle tier schools in different locales.
He needed to get out of West Virginia, in other words.
I suspect he will only be at Arizona for a year or two before he get s a HC gig somewhere.
Hopefully for you guys he has more success at Arizona than he had at WVU.
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2012, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 10, 2012, 09:56:23 AM
Playoffs next year?
Looks like it. *fingers crossed*
Granted it is not a Canadian style 80 team playoff or anything. Just the top 4 but that works for me.
But it probably won't satisfy 95% of the rest raving anti-BCS fanatics, who won't be happy until the system is "perfect", which I suspect will be a moving target. Even if it gets to a 16-team tournament the same types will bitch just as loud about how the selection/matchup/whatever is unfair or a joke.
College football is my favorite sport, but for me any sort of national championship is anti-climactic. I'll always get more enjoyment out of the regular season plus some of the bowls than I do with a national championship game or would with a playoffs-type scenario. Frankly I wouldn't mind if they returned to the pre-Bowl Alliance days and just relied on polls to determine the "national champion". There is a very wide range of styles of play and types of talent throughout college football (and I hope that never changes-- a SuperDivision or whatever would take a lot of the fun out of it for me). I think obsessing over an indisputable national champion is trying to put too fine a point on things.
I totally agree derspiess.
Quote from: derspiess on January 11, 2012, 03:12:17 PM
But it probably won't satisfy 95% of the rest raving anti-BCS fanatics, who won't be happy until the system is "perfect", which I suspect will be a moving target. Even if it gets to a 16-team tournament the same types will bitch just as loud about how the selection/matchup/whatever is unfair or a joke.
I am not sure I agree with this strawman portrayal of anti-BCS types. Just because you have an issue with the system does not make you an insane fanatic. I just disagree with the elitism of the system. A plus 1 gives the next generation's Utah, TCU, and Boise State a chance to win it all. No team should win all their regular season and post season games and not be the national champion. That just does not make any sense. Is that not a sensible position? Saying otherwise sounds like insane ravings to me but that is what we have.
Besides it sorta sounds like you yourself are anti-BCS and have a problem with its entire reason for existance.
Should be 8 team playoff.
Quote from: derspiess on January 11, 2012, 03:12:17 PM
But it probably won't satisfy 95% of the rest raving anti-BCS fanatics, who won't be happy until the system is "perfect", which I suspect will be a moving target. Even if it gets to a 16-team tournament the same types will bitch just as loud about how the selection/matchup/whatever is unfair or a joke.
College football is my favorite sport, but for me any sort of national championship is anti-climactic. I'll always get more enjoyment out of the regular season plus some of the bowls than I do with a national championship game or would with a playoffs-type scenario. Frankly I wouldn't mind if they returned to the pre-Bowl Alliance days and just relied on polls to determine the "national champion". There is a very wide range of styles of play and types of talent throughout college football (and I hope that never changes-- a SuperDivision or whatever would take a lot of the fun out of it for me). I think obsessing over an indisputable national champion is trying to put too fine a point on things.
I think that's fine if they want to stay more traditional. If they do then they should get rid of the national championship nonsense. The rankings are seriously goofy when you are comparing such diverse schedules, and having the BCS push it as something important or to be taken seriously just causes irritation amongst the anti-BCS crowd.
Should be a six-team playoff with a selection and seeding committee, much like the Big Dance has.
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2012, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 10, 2012, 09:56:23 AM
Playoffs next year?
Looks like it. *fingers crossed*
Granted it is not a Canadian style 80 team playoff or anything. Just the top 4 but that works for me.
"Canadian style"?
I'll have you know that in CIS Football only 17 out of 26 teams make the playoffs rounds.
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2012, 03:51:11 PM
"Canadian style"?
I'll have you know that in CIS Football only 17 out of 26 teams make the playoffs rounds.
Oh well then I stand corrected.
:P
Quote from: Valmy on January 11, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2012, 03:51:11 PM
"Canadian style"?
I'll have you know that in CIS Football only 17 out of 26 teams make the playoffs rounds.
Oh well then I stand corrected.
:P
Well good then. :hug:
Quote from: Valmy on January 11, 2012, 03:21:02 PM
I am not sure I agree with this strawman portrayal of anti-BCS types. Just because you have an issue with the system does not make you an insane fanatic. I just disagree with the elitism of the system.
Okay, you're not in the 95% then :P
I'm just saying that for a lot of people bitching about the BCS has become self-sustaining, almost like a sport within a sport. For them, no practical solution will make them happy.
QuoteA plus 1 gives the next generation's Utah, TCU, and Boise State a chance to win it all. No team should win all their regular season and post season games and not be the national champion. That just does not make any sense. Is that not a sensible position? Saying otherwise sounds like insane ravings to me but that is what we have.
I can see why you say it makes no sense, but I don't have a problem with it. I think we'd just end up seeing those teams get embarrassed with a +1 or tournament system. But again the "national champion" thing doesn't mean that much to me.
Quote
Besides it sorta sounds like you yourself are anti-BCS and have a problem with its entire reason for existance.
I sort of am, for different reasons than most people obviously. But I tolerate it because it keeps the bowls and has benefited WVU.
Quote from: derspiess on January 11, 2012, 04:33:24 PM
I sort of am, for different reasons than most people obviously. But I tolerate it because it keeps the bowls and has benefited WVU.
Just to be clear I want to keep both. The playoff would only be for the select few and the bowls remain as a reward for a 6-6...er...successful season.
QuoteI think we'd just end up seeing those teams get embarrassed with a +1 or tournament system.
Why do you think this? TCU, Utah, and Boise State all beat their major school opponents. Where is the evidence to suggest they would be embarrassed? Besides that so what? Clemson got embarrassed and nobody is demanding the ACC be protected from embarrasment by keeping them out of bowl games against West Virginia.
I just wanted to second Valmy's point. The performance of non-BCS schools in BCS games hardly leads to the conclusion they'd be embarassed.
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2012, 05:16:43 PM
I just wanted to second Valmy's point. The performance of non-BCS schools in BCS games hardly leads to the conclusion they'd be embarassed.
In fact, it rather suggests that they would do the embarassing.
Quote from: Valmy on January 11, 2012, 04:50:04 PM
Why do you think this? TCU, Utah, and Boise State all beat their major school opponents. Where is the evidence to suggest they would be embarrassed? Besides that so what? Clemson got embarrassed and nobody is demanding the ACC be protected from embarrasment by keeping them out of bowl games against West Virginia.
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Hey so is TCU now. :smarty:
Quote from: dps on January 11, 2012, 05:25:32 PM
In fact, it rather suggests that they would do the embarassing.
That's largely due to the expectations game. I mean, Oklahoma was "embarrassed" a few years back when they lost to Boise St in OT.
As well they should have been.
Quote from: sbr on January 11, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Utah is a fine member of a BCS conference, thank you very much.
And so are TCU and Boise State (well...sorta) that is why I specified the TCU, Utah and Boise State of the next generation.
Boise State can go jump in a lake.
Boise State is a bunch of eastern fucks now.
The Big East can eat a platter of hot death.
This is rather surprising.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-ncaa-bcsplayoff
Quote
NCAA president supports 4-team football playoff
INDIANAPOLIS (AP)—NCAA President Mark Emmert would support a four-team playoff in college football—as long as the field doesn't grow.
After giving his annual state of the association speech Thursday in Indianapolis, Emmert acknowledged he would back a small playoff if that's what Bowl Championship Series officials decide to adopt.
"The notion of having a Final Four approach is probably a sound one," Emmert said when asked what he heard coming out of New Orleans this week. "Moving toward a 16-team playoff is highly problematic because I think that's too much to ask a young man's body to do. It's too many games, it intrudes into the school year and, of course, it would probably necessitate a complete end to the bowl system that so many people like now."
Emmert spoke two days after the 11 Bowl Championship Series conferences met to discuss possible changes to the system starting in 2014, but there is no consensus yet.
BCS Executive Director Bill Hancock said Tuesday that 50-60 possibilities for various changes were presented during a deliberate meeting in New Orleans, where Alabama beat LSU in the BCS title game Monday night. Hancock anticipates it will take another five to seven meetings to reach a conclusion in July.
One possibility is the four-team playoff, or the so-called plus-one approach, that would create two national semifinals and a championship game played one week later. The original proposal, made in 2008 by the commissioners of the Southeastern Conference and Atlantic Coast Conference, was emphatically shot down by the leaders of the Big Ten, Pac-10, Big East, Big 12 and Notre Dame.
The BCS title game pits the nation's top two teams based on poll and computer rankings.
But momentum is clearly growing for a larger playoff system.
Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany acknowledged this week that he would now consider the prospect of a four-team field.
"Four years ago, five of us didn't want to have the conversation," Delany told reporters earlier this week. "Now we all want to have the conversation."
Then on Thursday, the BCS picked up another major endorsement for a potential playoff.
Emmert has long said he expected changes to the BCS system and has repeatedly offered to help the BCS debate if they want it. The NCAA licenses bowl games, but does not run them. It also has no direct authority over the BCS system.
But a small, four-team tournament could be the perfect remedy for what many still consider a flawed system.
"I see a lot of ways that a Final Four model could be successful," Emmert said.
Quote from: sbr on January 13, 2012, 07:19:51 PM
This is rather surprising.
Well...there is the fact if there is a playoff the NCAA could take control of it like Basketball and make tons of money...
Oregon QB Darron Thomas has declared for the NFL draft. This is really surprising to me, I never even considered he may leave. It sounds like he will be lucky to be drafted at all.
Cbs reports Joe paterno is "near death".
And dead, at 85.
I love all the outpouring of grief I'm seeing from people I know.
I won't be getting on that train. Paterno was known as being a world class asshole to most people who actually followed college football in the 70s and 80s, he may have mellowed out as he drifted off into senility, but Paterno was never really a class act. The whole Sandusky scandal I almost don't care so much about, it shows he cared more about his football team's image than little boys getting raped in his showers, but that's really just indicative of what college football is. I don't doubt that almost any coach in D-IA would have done the same as Paterno in that situation, college football views itself as bigger than life, and bigger than right and wrong. Paterno got caught and deserved to be fired even if you believe the least-damaging accounts of what he knew and how he responded, but to me the bigger thing about Paterno is he was no more than an old football coach who was a world class jerk in his earlier years.
I'm not really too moved by any of his charity work, all rich people pretty much give some money to charity and it doesn't automatically elevate them to sainthood in my mind.
JoePa :weep:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 22, 2012, 12:59:11 PM
The whole Sandusky scandal I almost don't care so much about, it shows he cared more about his football team's image than little boys getting raped in his showers, but that's really just indicative of what college football is. I don't doubt that almost any coach in D-IA would have done the same as Paterno in that situation, college football views itself as bigger than life, and bigger than right and wrong.
Bo wouldn't have done what Paterno did:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/iteam/2011/11/bo-schembechler-would-not-have-fumbled-a-scandal-the-way-joe-paterno-has-booted-penn-s (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/iteam/2011/11/bo-schembechler-would-not-have-fumbled-a-scandal-the-way-joe-paterno-has-booted-penn-s)
Quote from: grumbler on January 22, 2012, 05:11:00 PM
Bo wouldn't have done what Paterno did:
No, I don't believe he would've.
Mack Brown had one of his longest subordinates let go for harrasing an adult woman much less raping a boy. I have a hard time imagining him letting that one go by.
Schembechler was a standup guy, as I said "almost any coach would have done what Paterno did", Bo was one of the ones I was thinking of who wouldn't have allowed a pedophile to continue having an existence in his facilities. Bo genuinely embraced leadership, coaches like Paterno, and really most of the IA crop, embrace leadership when it is to their benefit and hide behind the institution and excuses when they don't want the buck to stop with them.
It's a shame Schembechler coached at a school filled with fuckwits and douchebags, he would have fit in more with the less academically prestigious but more personable people at Ohio State.
Quote from: Valmy on January 22, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Mack Brown had one of his longest subordinates let go for harrasing an adult woman much less raping a boy. I have a hard time imagining him letting that one go by.
And when hearing that a longtime assistant apparently was a pedophile, Jim Boehoeim calls the accusers money grabbers and blasts them on national television (obviously that's basketball and not football.)
I think there are scattered individual coaches who have enough personal integrity that they would have made sure the right thing was done in the PSU situation. But I think most coaches are, well, good coaches but not necessarily great leaders or great men. When most of them would have the opportunity to report a long time subordinate to the police for horrible crimes and most likely significantly damage their own reputations in the process or sweep it under the rug--I fear almost all of the coaches in IA would sweep it under the rug.
Paterno didn't fail to go to the police because of any loyalty out of Sandusky, he did it because he was afraid as to how it would look when it came out a guy who worked for him for 30 years was a boy raping pedophile that had utilized Penn State facilities as locations for his child raping.
Quote from: Valmy on January 22, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Mack Brown had one of his longest subordinates let go for harrasing an adult woman much less raping a boy. I have a hard time imagining him letting that one go by.
old freak nasty
:yuk:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 22, 2012, 05:38:50 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 22, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Mack Brown had one of his longest subordinates let go for harrasing an adult woman much less raping a boy. I have a hard time imagining him letting that one go by.
And when hearing that a longtime assistant apparently was a pedophile, Jim Boehoeim calls the accusers money grabbers and blasts them on national television (obviously that's basketball and not football.)
I think there are scattered individual coaches who have enough personal integrity that they would have made sure the right thing was done in the PSU situation. But I think most coaches are, well, good coaches but not necessarily great leaders or great men. When most of them would have the opportunity to report a long time subordinate to the police for horrible crimes and most likely significantly damage their own reputations in the process or sweep it under the rug--I fear almost all of the coaches in IA would sweep it under the rug.
Paterno didn't fail to go to the police because of any loyalty out of Sandusky, he did it because he was afraid as to how it would look when it came out a guy who worked for him for 30 years was a boy raping pedophile that had utilized Penn State facilities as locations for his child raping.
Boeheim and Paterno believed they were bigger than kiddie rape. That's the kind of shit thinking you get out of insular crapholes from people who think that evil doesn't happen around people who win championships.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 22, 2012, 05:35:56 PM
It's a shame Schembechler coached at a school filled with fuckwits and douchebags,
Never knew you attended. Learn something new every day.
Quote from: grumbler on January 22, 2012, 07:25:44 PMNever knew you attended. Learn something new every day.
No, sadly I couldn't honestly answer the question on the application that said, "Do you have the largest ego of anyone you've ever met?" and I can only surmise that is why I didn't get in.
But I have met you, and from that I feel 100% confident in generalizing about all people who went to school there, without exception or reservation.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 22, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
No, sadly I couldn't honestly answer the question on the application that said, "Do you have the largest ego of anyone you've ever met?" and I can only surmise that is why I didn't get in.
I can only surmise that you then woke up, and your pillow was gone!
QuoteBut I have met you, and from that I feel 100% confident in generalizing about all people who went to school there, without exception or reservation.
You have met me? When was that?
Quote from: grumbler on January 22, 2012, 07:53:00 PMYou have met me? When was that?
I'm sorry I wasn't listening.
Ok you West Virginia fans here is their 2012 football schedule:
1-Sep Marshall
15-Sep JMU (@DC)
22-Sep Maryland
29-Sep Baylor
6-Oct at Texas
13-Oct at Texas Tech
20-Oct Kansas State
27-Oct OPEN DATE
3-Nov TCU
10-Nov at Oklahoma State
17-Nov Oklahoma
24-Nov at Iowa State
1-Dec Kansas
So they get Texas the week before they play OU. The lucky lucky bastards. At least it is not in Morgantown...Texas gets that next year.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 22, 2012, 05:35:56 PM
Schembechler was a standup guy, as I said "almost any coach would have done what Paterno did", Bo was one of the ones I was thinking of who wouldn't have allowed a pedophile to continue having an existence in his facilities. Bo genuinely embraced leadership, coaches like Paterno, and really most of the IA crop, embrace leadership when it is to their benefit and hide behind the institution and excuses when they don't want the buck to stop with them.
It's a shame Schembechler coached at a school filled with fuckwits and douchebags, he would have fit in more with the less academically prestigious but more personable people at Ohio State.
:D someone hasn't met many buckeyes
as a general rule i have concluded that ohio state fans are the mid west version of gators
most have never set foot on a college campus and are more obnoxious than marty on gay pride day
Quote from: Rasputin on February 14, 2012, 02:29:49 PM
as a general rule i have concluded that ohio state fans are the mid west version of gators
lol so true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0K-ymOTS4
Hey MBM did you see the latest Aggie fail?
http://throwtheflagblog.com/2012/04/16/texas-am-isnt-very-good-at-geography/
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North Carolina is in the SEC! My God they are dumbasses.
I'm thinking of going to the Ohio State spring game. Mainly to check out what kind off student muff shows up for the free tickets.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2012, 02:15:06 PM
I'm thinking of going to the Ohio State spring game. Mainly to check out what kind off student muff shows up for the free tickets.
So what's up with the Ray Ray avatar, Ed? Good to see you finally find The Light.
I guess Chris Spielman's halo neck brace wouldn't fit in the picture LULZES
Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
Hey MBM did you see the latest Aggie fail?
Well they left out...Texas. Maybe they got confused about where they live?
I expected more from the Aggies than that T-shirt fuck up. That's something Michigan State would do.
Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
Hey MBM did you see the latest Aggie fail?
Yeah, I saw that one. I'm so glad they're gone.
MiM, Texas is on the back. Missouri is nowhere to be found.
E: From BFans via Shaggy:
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2012, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2012, 02:15:06 PM
I'm thinking of going to the Ohio State spring game. Mainly to check out what kind off student muff shows up for the free tickets.
So what's up with the Ray Ray avatar, Ed? Good to see you finally find The Light.
I guess Chris Spielman's halo neck brace wouldn't fit in the picture LULZES
I saw the pic in some article about Ray and I thought it would be a good avatar. Annoyed Ray Ray amuses me.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2012, 02:22:36 PM
I expected more from the Aggies than that T-shirt fuck up. That's something Michigan State would do.
Well damn, they'd break some trophies if they had some. They just have to stick to t-shirts and....the other things they do.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2012, 02:37:35 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2012, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2012, 02:15:06 PM
I'm thinking of going to the Ohio State spring game. Mainly to check out what kind off student muff shows up for the free tickets.
So what's up with the Ray Ray avatar, Ed? Good to see you finally find The Light.
I guess Chris Spielman's halo neck brace wouldn't fit in the picture LULZES
I saw the pic in some article about Ray and I thought it would be a good avatar. Annoyed Ray Ray amuses me.
You need to change your avatar - I see a Ray Ray avatar and immediately assume it is Seedy. :contract:
Only if you ask nicely and say 'please'.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2012, 02:49:03 PM
Only if you ask nicely and say 'please'.
That was a far kinder response than I expected. :blush:
Quote from: Barrister on April 17, 2012, 02:50:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2012, 02:49:03 PM
Only if you ask nicely and say 'please'.
That was a far kinder response than I expected. :blush:
I'm taking a new path in life.
No joke.
Dave Brandon, Michigan's AD, just made the first major faux pax of his reign as AD at Michigan: he announced today the the Michigan Marching Band would not be going to the Alabama game at Jerryworld. No announced reason, but the expense (probably $400k) is assumed to be the reason. He had arranged for game tickets for the band to be provided gratis in the contract, so he surely expected the band to go when he signed the contract. Alabama is, of course, bringing their band (even though they are officially the visiting team).
Fan reaction has been highly negative. All the major websites are organizing email campaigns (I am no joiner, but even I sent one). The MMB is a huge part of the Michigan brand, and it is stupid not to include it on such a massive stage (every sports site and magazine rates this as the top non-conference game of the year, and it is prime time).
It will be interesting to see if DB caves on this. He never has in the year he has been there, but has never faced pressure, either. I am hoping he does, because that means that he will cave when he tries to introduce a mascot, too (Michigan doesn't use a mascot any more; they tried, in the 1930s, but Wolverines are far too ferocious to actually have as live mascots) when Michigan's tradition is that they proudly don't have, or need, a human-dressed-as-an-animal mascot given the results of their earlier efforts to have the real thing.
The mascot thing is the real elephant in the room, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Most of the Wolverines got gunned down by the Cubans near that Colorado town anyway.
UTSA has announced that they're going to be playing football in the Dome for the foreseeable future, and are cancelling the plans to build an "on campus" (it's not really on campus, but pretty close) stadium in their new athletic complex. Or at least they're cancelling the plans to build the stadium (a small ~35-40,000 seat horseshoe) where they had initially planned.
I kinda like this. While on campus stadiums are awesome and all, the location they had initially selected....well it seemed lame and stupid to me. I live about, oh, 5 minutes from UTSA's main campus, and it would have been almost as much of a PITA to get to the new location as it would to just go to the Alamodome, and it would probably be even more difficult for students to get there. I, at least, have a fairly major-ish road that I can take. The students would have to go down a little two lane road through a neighborhood (!) to get there.
They own a shitload of property around here, including some that is directly adjacent to the campus. Why they wouldn't just build it in one of big, empty places that currently only accomodates trees and dirt confuses me greatly.
E: For even more clarification, the new complex is going to have a new baseball field, basketball arena, track, soccer, etc, fields. Pretty much everything is being replaced by new facilities out there. In order to put the "old" football stadium out there though, they'd actually have to buy more property along the highway, and tbh, it looked like if they ever wanted to expand it, there wouldn't be room. Unless they didn't care about the bleachers/upper decks of the expanded/closed off end of the horseshoe hanging over the damn access road.
This also means they'll definitely be able to keep selling beer at football games, which I'm all for. Naturally.
E2: Large picture incoming:
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Yeah that's right. Mid-major football. I was sitting on the left side of this photo. Corner-ish, mid level seats are the best seats. That's the opening kickoff of the inaugural game.
Bot a bad crowd. I'm impressed.
56,700. They didn't keep that pretty huge number up the whole first season, of course, but they still averaged ~36,000 the rest of the way. Both numbers ended up being some sort of start-up record over the previous highs set by USF.
Now they just need to figure out how to not suck on the field. I worry about the fact that Larry Coker is their coach. Yeah, he's a "name" coach and sure he won a NC, but...uh...those weren't his recruits, and Miami has pretty much been in the shitter ever since.
E: Maybe I'm being too hard on them saying they sucked. They were brand new and managed to go 4-6 with three of the losses being by a FG. That's not so bad. They're probably going to get wrecked this season in the WAC though. Even though it's a weak ass conference, it's still D1 football with established programs. Hopefully they'll at least keep things competitive. Or, you know, go undefeated. That would be just fine as well.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 21, 2012, 02:14:54 AM
Corner-ish, mid level seats are the best seats.
Yeah, they are; best way to see plays developing.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 21, 2012, 02:14:54 AM
UTSA
Looking at their schedule next year they play Oklahoma State here. :o
Florida cuts the Computer Science department to save 1.4 million, increases athletic budget by 2 million! :bleeding:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2012/04/22/university-of-florida-eliminates-computer-science-department-increases-athletic-budgets-hmm/
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 21, 2012, 07:23:04 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 21, 2012, 02:14:54 AM
Corner-ish, mid level seats are the best seats.
Yeah, they are; best way to see plays developing.
Pretty shitty when the action is on the other side of the field, though. I have a hard time telling between a 2 yard run and a 5 yard run. I prefer 50-yard line, mid-level, even though I rarely seem to get that.
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 21, 2012, 07:46:41 AM
Looking at their schedule next year they play Oklahoma State here. :o
They've got a lot of bodybag games coming up in the next few years. Hopefully they won't be totally broken by these things. Four or five games a year against AQ schools seems like way more than normal (although Houston wasn't joining an AQ conference when they scheduled that series) for lower level mid-majors.
The home and homes are because of the location (recruiting) and the dome.
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
I prefer 50-yard line, mid-level, even though I rarely seem to get that.
That's why it's called "club level". Damned 1%ers. :mad:
John L Smith has been hired as Arkansas' interim coach. That is a dang coaching hire mistake. The coaches are coaching their tails off and the AD keeps screwing it up.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
I prefer 50-yard line, mid-level, even though I rarely seem to get that.
That's why it's called "club level". Damned 1%ers. :mad:
The student section at Uwyo is from the 30 to the 30, bottom section of the bleachers.
Seating at CIS games I've attended has been first-come, first served.
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2012, 12:59:55 PM
John L Smith has been hired as Arkansas' interim coach. That is a dang coaching hire mistake. The coaches are coaching their tails off and the AD keeps screwing it up.
Hey speaking of dumb moves, did you see A&M is getting rid of Bill Byrne?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 24, 2012, 01:09:18 PM
Hey speaking of dumb moves, did you see A&M is getting rid of Bill Byrne?
Yep. It is sort of like firing Eisenhower a month before D-Day. The Aggies are getting ready to be doormats in the SEC: first they downgrade their coach, then they downgrade their AD. Next they are going to level their facilities and play all their games at Consolidated High School.
Quote from: PDH on April 24, 2012, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
I prefer 50-yard line, mid-level, even though I rarely seem to get that.
That's why it's called "club level". Damned 1%ers. :mad:
The student section at Uwyo is from the 30 to the 30, bottom section of the bleachers.
Tuition = PSLs
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2012, 01:10:15 PM
Yep. It is sort of like firing Eisenhower a month before D-Day. The Aggies are getting ready to be doormats in the SEC: first they downgrade their coach, then they downgrade their AD. Next they are going to level their facilities and play all their games at Consolidated High School.
It's Jackie Sherrill though (maybe)! Maybe they'll get a little boost and put together a couple good seasons before they get nailed for paying recruits. Football only though. Everything else is probably going to go back to being total shit except maybe meat judging.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 24, 2012, 01:14:41 PM
It's Jackie Sherrill though (maybe)! Maybe they'll get a little boost and put together a couple good seasons before they get nailed for paying recruits. Football only though. Everything else is probably going to go back to being total shit except maybe meat judging.
Buying players will not give A&M an advantage in the SEC. Though maybe they will no longer lose to Sunbelt teams so often.
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2012, 01:16:38 PM
Buying players will not give A&M an advantage in the SEC. Though maybe they will no longer lose to Sunbelt teams so often.
I should clarify. By "good" I meant
A&M's good, not normal people good. Like maybe a bowl game win. Things like that.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 24, 2012, 01:21:12 PM
I should clarify. By "good" I meant A&M's good, not normal people good. Like maybe a bowl game win. Things like that.
They are pretty awesome at corporate sponsored games played in Houston.
Long will the Corps guys fill their jizz jars with thoughts of the GalleryFurniture.com Bowl and the Meineke Car Care Bowl.
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Galleryfurniture.com bowl saves you money!
Quote from: grumbler on April 19, 2012, 07:13:04 PM
Dave Brandon, Michigan's AD, just made the first major faux pax of his reign as AD at Michigan: he announced today the the Michigan Marching Band would not be going to the Alabama game at Jerryworld. No announced reason, but the expense (probably $400k) is assumed to be the reason. He had arranged for game tickets for the band to be provided gratis in the contract, so he surely expected the band to go when he signed the contract. Alabama is, of course, bringing their band (even though they are officially the visiting team).
Fan reaction has been highly negative. All the major websites are organizing email campaigns (I am no joiner, but even I sent one). The MMB is a huge part of the Michigan brand, and it is stupid not to include it on such a massive stage (every sports site and magazine rates this as the top non-conference game of the year, and it is prime time).
It will be interesting to see if DB caves on this. He never has in the year he has been there, but has never faced pressure, either. I am hoping he does, because that means that he will cave when he tries to introduce a mascot, too (Michigan doesn't use a mascot any more; they tried, in the 1930s, but Wolverines are far too ferocious to actually have as live mascots) when Michigan's tradition is that they proudly don't have, or need, a human-dressed-as-an-animal mascot given the results of their earlier efforts to have the real thing.
The mascot thing is the real elephant in the room, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
And... Brandon caves to the shitstorm. The MMB will go to Dallas.
http://annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigan-marching-band-informed-it-will-be-attending-2012-football-opener-in-texas/
Good. A nail in the coffin for his mascot ideas.
Good. It seems like it would be weird without the band being present at a big game like that.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 24, 2012, 10:11:39 AM
Florida cuts the Computer Science department to save 1.4 million, increases athletic budget by 2 million! :bleeding:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2012/04/22/university-of-florida-eliminates-computer-science-department-increases-athletic-budgets-hmm/
I just saw this: So what? I mean, it sucks for the CS department, but the two things don't really seem to have anything to do with one another. The $2 million for the athletic department isn't coming from the school, it's coming from athletics. UF is one of those programs that generates a profit, some of which goes back to the university itself.
Quote from: ValmyThey are pretty awesome at corporate sponsored games played in Houston.
Long will the Corps guys fill their jizz jars with thoughts of the GalleryFurniture.com Bowl and the Meineke Car Care Bowl.
:lol: Thats gross man
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 25, 2012, 12:05:56 AM
I just saw this: So what? I mean, it sucks for the CS department, but the two things don't really seem to have anything to do with one another. The $2 million for the athletic department isn't coming from the school, it's coming from athletics. UF is one of those programs that generates a profit, some of which goes back to the university itself.
Money is fungible. If $2 million less is being given by the AD to the school, then it is the same as the school giving $2 million.
Now, you can certainly make the argument that the AD spending $2 million more will increase revenue over time (say, better facilities that attract better athletes that create more TV coverage and thus revenue) and thus be a sound investment, but athletic department profits plowed back into the university are not some favor that the AD is doing the school. An increased budget for the AD means a lowered budget for someone else, at least in the short term.
So, the two budget decisions are directly linked. That's not to say that the decision made was a poor one; I suspect the contrary.
That may well be true, but IMO it's much less of an "issue" to allow the AD to spend money it brought in than having to divert money to the AD that came from other sources.
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2012, 09:57:03 AM
That may well be true, but IMO it's much less of an "issue" to allow the AD to spend money it brought in than having to divert money to the AD that came from other sources.
No question about that. The appearance
is different. But that same money could have been used in the CS department as easily as in the athletic department.
The shortfall is caused by the state cutting Florida's budget by a whole bunch, not by anything the AD is doing. Increase in the AD budget or not, UF was going to have to figure out how to cut their own costs no matter what.
E: A response to the one Tim posted: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/college-vs-college-sports-why-you-should-ignore-the-outrage-at-the-university-of-florida/256252/
QuoteSince 2006, the state has cleaved 30 percent of the university's budget, or about $240 million total, according tot a recent op-ed by a former school administrator. Meanwhile, state law limits the university's ability to raise tuition. Its only option: cut. Rather than spread the pain around evenly, the College of Engineering plans to break apart its Computer & Information Science and Engineering Department, sending about half the faculty to other parts of the school, cutting staff and teaching assistants, and refocusing the mission of its remaining professors on teaching. Certainly it's a sad situation, but it's also not a wholesale abandonment of computer science as a discipline.
Those are some huge cuts by the state. It does note later though that since 1990, the AD has sent $61 million to the school, which includes $6.1 million last year when they made a profit of ~$10 million. Not an insignificant amount, but it isn't shit compared to that $240 million.
Also note that the CS department isn't completely going away, which the other article failed to mention for some reason.
That same sad story is happening everywhere. UT Austin got its state budget slashed by 20% last legislative session and I am dreading the next one.
Wyoming is 1-1 after the Spring Game :(
I have trouble having sympathy for universities and their budgets. They are as much benefactors of a grossly screwed up market with perverse incentives as they are victims of budget cuts.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2012, 08:23:19 PM
Wyoming is 1-1 after the Spring Game :(
Why the frown? They have gotten half their expected wins for the season before the season even started! :w00t:
Quote from: Berkut on April 25, 2012, 08:55:41 PM
I have trouble having sympathy for universities and their budgets. They are as much benefactors of a grossly screwed up market with perverse incentives as they are victims of budget cuts.
+1
Universities have gotten out of control. Compare tuition increases to inflation some time.
4 Team BCS playoff! :w00t:
espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7858795/bcs-says-bids-include-4-team-playoffs-only
Quote from: grumbler on April 26, 2012, 06:41:33 PM
Universities have gotten out of control. Compare tuition increases to inflation some time.
I am not sure what that has to do with deep public funding cuts. And these are the public schools, the ones that have been keeping their tuition low-ish for in-state kids (granted by law).
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 27, 2012, 08:49:55 AM
4 Team BCS playoff! :w00t:
espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7858795/bcs-says-bids-include-4-team-playoffs-only
Hopefully this will mean the end of undefeated teams not being able to play for the national title.
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2012, 08:57:26 AM
Hopefully this will mean the end of undefeated teams not being able to play for the national title.
:huh: Don't be absurd. There will be many undefeated teams that don't get ranked in the top 4, and rightfully so. If merely being undefeated qualified a team for the playoffs, everyone would seek the easiest possible schedule so as to maximize the chances of qualifying.
Anyone who thinks that this will remain open to only four teams for more than two years is delusional. My guess is that we will have a sixteen-team tournament before 2020 (and then your undefeateds will probably all be there). That's why this system has to be set up well from the get-go. The traditional bowls are going to have to be kept out of the playoff process, or they are going to fuck it up.
I really do think that Delaney's suggestion of having the first round of the playoffs at the stadiums of the higher seeds the week after conference championship games is the way to go. You can't expect fans to travel for the CCG, then for the first-round playoff bowl, then the playoff championship bowl. Look at what happened to the ACC championship game last year.
The arguments against the home game are pretty amusing, IMO. They boil down to the claim that the college football playoffs cannot take place in college football stadiums because college football stadiums lack the infrastructure needed to put on college football games. :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on April 27, 2012, 09:21:42 AM
:huh: Don't be absurd. There will be many undefeated teams that don't get ranked in the top 4, and rightfully so.
Nothing rightful about a team finishing the year undefeated and not being national champion. But we have always disagreed on this point.
But I totally agree with the rest of your post. Home games for playoff games is the logical way to go. Not sure if 16 teams will be the end game but if it is that would at least put the division formerly known as I-A where the rest of the divisions are.
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2012, 09:47:05 AM
Nothing rightful about a team finishing the year undefeated and not being national champion. But we have always disagreed on this point.
I am not sure what "rightful" means here, but you are correct that we disagree. I think that the best team should be the champion.
QuoteBut I totally agree with the rest of your post. Home games for playoff games is the logical way to go. Not sure if 16 teams will be the end game but if it is that would at least put the division formerly known as I-A where the rest of the divisions are.
I am curious to see if D-1A is willing to reduce regular-season games to increase playoff games, as the other divisions have. A sixteen-game season would be tough on a college player.
Personally, I would be even happier to go back to the pre-BCS bowl system than I would be to have the facade of a four-team playoff. A six, eight, or sixteen game playoff would be much more credible to me.
Quote from: grumbler on April 27, 2012, 10:11:28 AM
I am not sure what "rightful" means here, but you are correct that we disagree.
I only used the word because you did :P
But yeah we have been back and forth about this for years.
Quote from: derspiess on April 27, 2012, 10:14:05 AM
Quote from: grumbler on April 27, 2012, 10:11:28 AM
the pre-BCS bowl system
:punk:
What exactly would that mean for the Big 12? Our champion goes to play in the Orange Bowl, no longer played at the Orange Bowl, or the Cotton Bowl, which is no longer played in the Cotton Bowl? No thanks.
What Big 12?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 27, 2012, 11:39:57 AM
What Big 12?
You mean which Big 12? The one with 10 teams but has 12 in its name, not the one with 12 teams but has 10 in its name.
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2012, 10:23:07 AM
What exactly would that mean for the Big 12?
It would mean that the conference would control which schools went to which bowls, without regard to the national beauty pageant, and then there would be agreement, or not, as to which B12 team, if any, was the mythical national champion.
This is the way Div 1-A football was for about 90 years.
Quote from: grumbler on April 27, 2012, 09:21:42 AM
The arguments against the home game are pretty amusing, IMO. They boil down to the claim that the college football playoffs cannot take place in college football stadiums because college football stadiums lack the infrastructure needed to put on college football games. :lol:
I disagree with you. First off, some colleges/towns are more suitable than others. Could Ohio State or Michigan or Florida or USC do it? Probably. But what about TCU or Boise State? Or Kansas State? or WVU? There are plenty of colleges with small stadiums that are completely inadequate for hosting a BCS playoff game. Also, a lot of these colleges are in remote locales without a lot of hotel/motel rooms around. This isn't a problem in the regular season because most of the attendees of games live locally or within a day's driving distance. Since the games are scheduled far in advance, people can arrange accommodations far in advance. It's a completely different story for a BCS play-off game. You will have a lot of people having to make accommodations quickly, both fans of the other team as well as media. It's going to be a hassle, not to mention expensive to arrange all that when you're dealing with the Gainesvilles, Tallahasees, Auburns, etc. of the world.
On the other hand, I do see merit in home team hosting, primarily out of the maximizing attendance due to convenience to the home fans. Also, it is easy to foresee scenarios where BCS playoff games get crappy attendance due to the neutral site- e.g. Boise State vs. USC in Indianapolis in late December.
I think the ideal plan would somehow maximize attendance while also making sure the games are in appropriate stadiums with appropriate surrounding infrastructure. I think a good compromise would be that each conference has a home, centrally located neutral site that would be used for the number 1 and 2 seeds. The SEC could have Atlanta/Nashville/, Big 10 could have Indianapolis/Detroit, Pac 12 could have LA etc. This would help ensure good attendance(because the sites would be convenient to regional fanbases) while also making sure the stadiums and surrounding infrastructure are appropriate.
Yeah it would probably work out where K-State would host in Kansas City, WVU would host in Pittsburgh, and TCU would host in Jerry World. Something like that. Just because a school is hosting the game does not mean it necessarily has to be their home campus. But it needs to be where the home school fans have easy access.
Wyoming will host in the...oh wait, that just started off all wrong.
Oh shit. Supposedly the UT System BoR meeting on Monday has a thing in it approving an invite to C-USA for UTSA.
Also there's some shit in there saying that since UTSA accepted the invite to the WAC, three schools have decided to leave, leaving only four football schools in the conference.
The end of WAC football on Monday?
Turns out the BCS is considering something similar to what I proposed. Notice that there's no mention of a traditional Big East site. I guess the BCS is assuming that a Big East team is never going to be in the top 2. Or any other conference(or Notre Dame) for that matter.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7863041/four-team-playoff-plan-link-national-semis-sites-conferences-bcs-bowls
"Sources told ESPN.com that the commissioners are leaning toward incorporating the existing BCS bowls into a playoff. Instead of designating two BCS bowls as the host sites for two semifinal games before a particular season, the sites wouldn't be determined until the four participating teams were named.
In an effort to maintain a sense of tradition, conferences would keep their relationships with BCS bowl games -- the highest-ranked ACC team would play in the Orange Bowl, Big 12 in the Fiesta, Big Ten and Pac-12 in the Rose Bowl, and SEC in the Sugar Bowl. For instance, if Alabama finished No. 1 in the retooled BCS standings, the Crimson Tide would host the No. 4 seed in a national semifinal game at the Allstate Sugar Bowl in New Orleans. If Oregon finished No. 2, the Ducks would host the No. 3 seed in the Rose Bowl Game presented by VIZIO in Pasadena, Calif. A source familiar with the discussions said he preferred this particular plan because it "preserves tradition and the regional tie-ins."
The source said it also solved the "Rose Bowl problem" -- Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott have maintained their leagues' desire to play in the Rose Bowl every season.
Under this proposed plan, if a Big Ten or Pac-12 team finished in the top two spots, it would automatically play in Pasadena. And if a Big Ten or Pac-12 team didn't finish in the top two, teams from those leagues might still play in the Rose Bowl, as long as they were among the teams included in the BCS pool. The source said the plan maintained those leagues' relationships with the Rose Bowl, without giving them an "obscene consideration.""
It hit CBS this morning: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/brett-mcmurphy/18873583
QuoteC-USA adding UTSA in 2013; North Texas, FIU, Louisiana Tech also likely
By Brett McMurphy | College Football Insider
Texas San-Antonio will join Conference USA in 2013, pending approval from the University of Texas System Board of Regents on Wednesday to allow the school to accept an invitation, negotiate and finalize terms with the league.
The Roadrunners are one of four teams that C-USA will add for the 2013 season.
Conference USA also is looking to add North Texas and Florida International from the Sun Belt and Louisiana Tech from the WAC, sources told CBSSports.com from last week's BCS meetings in Hollywood, Fla.
The addition of those four schools -- to offset the losses of Memphis, UCF, Houston and Southern Methodist to the Big East -- would give the league 12 members and means Conference USA's merger with the Mountain West would not occur in 2013, as reported by CBSSports.com last week.
The Mountain West also is expected to add Utah State and San Jose State in 2013, sources said. The league, without the C-USA/MWC merger, are required to add at least one school to meet the NCAA's FBS requirements for maintaining eight women's sports and six men's sports, with at least six member schools competing in each sport.
The Roadrunners were scheduled to join the Western Athletic Conference on July 1. Because they never officially began in the league, they will not have to pay an exit fee. They must pay an entrance fee to C-USA of $2 million, according to the UT Regents agenda.
Conference USA contacted UTSA in March to initiate a discussion about the Roadrunners joining the league and school officials visited with C-USA commissioner Britton Banowsky two weeks ago, according to the UT Regents agenda.
RowdyReport.com first reported that UTSA accepting an invitation to C-USA was on the UT Board of Regents' agenda.
Since 1991, Texas San-Antonio's Olympic sports have competed in the Southland Conference. The Roadrunners just completed their first year of football under former Miami coach Larry Coker.
Texas-San Antonio was sought after by Conference USA and the Sun Belt because of UTSA's location and, more importantly, the Roadrunners' record-setting attendance numbers in their first season. UTSA set the NCAA record for a first-year program, averaging 35,521 fans, including 56,743 in its inaugural game.
For North Texas and Florida International, there is no required exit fee to leave the Sun Belt, but they would forfeit less than $500,000 in revenue sharing, industry sources told CBSSports.com.
Sources also said Charlotte remains a possibility to join C-USA as an all-sports member in 2013, but its football program, which will begin play in 2013, would not be able to compete in C-USA until 2015, at the earliest.
Tags: Florida International Golden Panthers, Houston Cougars, Louisiana Tech Bulldogs, Memphis Tigers, North Texas Mean Green, San Jose State Spartans, Southern Methodist Mustangs, UCF Knights, Utah State Aggies, NCAAF
The Texas State AD also released a statement saying:
Quote"All I can say is that we will have a home in an FBS league and won't become an independent. We have done a lot of work in the past two months just like a lot of other schools across the nation and have thoroughly been involved in the process. We hope to make some sort of announcement in the next few days."
The UNT BoR apparently also already voted on it, so if they're like UTSA, they probably already have an invite. The ones I haven't heard anything about are LT and FIU. With the loss of UTSA, LT, USU, SJSU, and presumably Texas State, the WAC is done as a football conference (at least). They'll have Idaho and NMSU left as football schools (UT-Arlington, Denver, and Seattle are also there for non-football sports).
C-USA would be: UTSA, UTEP, Rice, UNT, LaTech, Tulane, UAB, Southern Miss, Tulsa, ECU, FIU, and Marshall.
MWC would be: Wyoming, UNM, Air Force, UNLV, Hawaii, Fresno, SJSU, USU, Colorado State, and Nevada.
Poor Idaho. They thought they'd made the big time when they came in to the WAC. :(
I would be willing to bet that UTEP is allowed to shuffle from CUSA to the MWC. Old friendships and all that.
Quote from: PDH on April 28, 2012, 04:53:33 PM
I would be willing to bet that UTEP is allowed to shuffle from CUSA to the MWC. Old friendships and all that.
:hmm: I can see why they would want to maybe do that if SMU and Houston weren't replaced, meaning their only in-state + in-conference "rival" left was Rice. Might as well bail and schedule Texas teams OOC in that case. But with UTSA and UNT though, it goes back up to four Texas teams. Pretty painless way to get some good exposure inside your primary recruiting areas, then still take your bodybag OOC games against OU or UT or something.
Then again, if they bail, maybe Texas State would get into C-USA, which would free up a non-conference game for the Roadrunners. Hm.
UTEP was old WAC back in the day - there are still ties with Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico...
They left the WAC to go to Conference USA with Rice, Tulsa, and SMU (and TCU, also from the WAC, was already there along with Houston, who had come straight from the SWC, IIRC). UTEP doesn't recruit the majority of their players from Wyoming, Colorado, or New Mexico. They recruit most of them from Texas, with a whole lot of those coming from places not called El Paso.
Now, ff they feel like they can still pull the recruits they need with their home games + some OOC, and they want to go to the MWC, then more power to them. Like I said, hopefully that would mean TSU would be able to get into C-USA instead of the Sunbelt.
Ahh, I meant back back in the day. Before the WAC went to 16 in the 90s, UTEP was in cahoots with the schools I mentioned above - there are still ties. UTEP didn't want to run to the MWC, but later regretted that.
I know when they were in the WAC. If UTEP had these strong ties, why didn't they want to go to the MWC with all their buddies they were in cahoots with in the first place? What does that even mean? What are these ties that are super strong? Why did they go with SMU, Tulsa, and Rice to C-USA instead?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 29, 2012, 01:13:47 PM
I know when they were in the WAC. If UTEP had these strong ties, why didn't they want to go to the MWC with all their buddies they were in cahoots with in the first place? What does that even mean? What are these ties that are super strong? Why did they go with SMU, Tulsa, and Rice to C-USA instead?
Really, they didn't join because they were the 10th team. All the talk I have been hearing is that UTEP desires more to be in the MWC than CUSA right now.
Quote from: PDH on April 29, 2012, 01:27:22 PM
Really, they didn't join because they were the 10th team. All the talk I have been hearing is that UTEP desires more to be in the MWC than CUSA right now.
The 10th team? In the MWC? They would have been 9, I thought. Either way though, 9th, 10th team in the MWC....what difference does that make? :unsure: Just UTEP being weird? Right now, they would be either the 9th or 11th team. Well, for football. Hawaii is in the Big West for everything else.
Anyway, yeah, there's talk about UTEP going, but I've never heard of these super strong ties being what might send them to the MWC (because, again, why didn't these ties put them there in the first place?). More that there was just no real reason to stay in C-USA anymore when the Big East took the better remaining Texas schools, and the MWC is a much better conference. UTSA and UNT suck shit at everything, and aren't good replacements for Houston and SMU competition wise, but their upsides are that they are in solid recruiting areas (with them C-USA would be in Houston/East Texas, DFW/North Texas, and San Antonio/South Central Texas).
Yeah 9th. I think that the original MWC left them out (as well as Hawaii) because they wanted a smaller, more regional conference (we see how that went...), and UTEP wanted to be part of something larger at the time. I dunno, I think that the arguments about tradition and such have all gone by the wayside anyway, but I wouldn't count out the MWC-CUSA faux-merger yet. If that does happen, expect UTEP to move to balance out the numbers.
Quote from: PDH on April 29, 2012, 03:37:49 PM
Yeah 9th. I think that the original MWC left them out (as well as Hawaii) because they wanted a smaller, more regional conference (we see how that went...), and UTEP wanted to be part of something larger at the time. I dunno, I think that the arguments about tradition and such have all gone by the wayside anyway, but I wouldn't count out the MWC-CUSA faux-merger yet. If that does happen, expect UTEP to move to balance out the numbers.
Yeah, if Mount USA gets some sort of scheduling agreement going, it would make a bit more sense for UTEP to go since they'd still have a presence in their primary recruiting areas, while at the same time getting to be in the better conference (it wouldn't be as good as actually being IN the conference, but it's better than nothing).
Without that though, I don't know...it just doesn't seem like it would be in their best interests, which is what they're supposed to be looking out for, good buddies in the other conference or not. But hey, like I said, if they feel they can get along just fine: whateva!
Texas State and UT- Arlington to the Sunbelt: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/brett-mcmurphy/18911274/texas-state-utarlington-to-sun-belt-in-2013
Wow. Bad break for TSU.
Texas State is way better off than Idaho and New Mexico State right now.
They can go independent like BYU.
Quote from: PDH on May 01, 2012, 08:45:43 AM
They can go independent like BYU.
LOL
Seriously Texas State is a huge school but nobody goes to their games. They were sort of gambling this big move to the WAC would generate interest and fill their stadium. Going to the Sunbelt is hardly more exciting than the Southland Conference and they have spent a ton of money not just hiring Coach Franchione but remodeling their facilities. They lack the legions of brainwashed Mormons who think attending BYU games is a Commandment of God.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2012, 08:51:41 AM
Seriously Texas State is a huge school but nobody goes to their games. They were sort of gambling this big move to the WAC would generate interest and fill their stadium. Going to the Sunbelt is hardly more exciting than the Southland Conference and they have spent a ton of money not just hiring Coach Franchione but remodeling their facilities. They lack the legions of brainwashed Mormons who think attending BYU games is a Commandment of God.
Wow, that sucks for them. As I understand it, football is sort of a religion in Texas. Must be really painful to not have anyone go to your games there.
At Delaware, it sort of made sense. It was a I-AA school in the northeast and a large majority of the student body were women (which was awesome for other reasons). It was still painful. I had friends from high school who were at Big 10 & SEC schools and didn't know how good they had it.
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2012, 09:27:41 AM
At Delaware, it sort of made sense. It was a I-AA school in the northeast and a large majority of the student body were women (which was awesome for other reasons). It was still painful. I had friends from high school who were at Big 10 & SEC schools and didn't know how good they had it.
At least your team had the second-best-looking uniforms in all of football. :D
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2012, 09:27:41 AM
Wow, that sucks for them. As I understand it, football is sort of a religion in Texas. Must be really painful to not have anyone go to your games there.
Well...yes and no.
Texans are very laid back people so we are fanatical for football in a relaxed show up if we feel like it sort of way (when Texas is down like they have been the past two years, there are plenty of tickets to be had for example). It is true that football is the only sport anybody cares about but the perception we are super fans is misplaced. Further communities tend to rally around one team. University of Houston crowds are infamously bad because Houston really only cares about the NFL. In central Texas people love UT so Texas State tends to be forgotten. In the smaller cities and towns they are all about High School football but nobody in cities with a big College program or a NFL team really cares about High School football.
Which is why this is a huge opportunity for UTSA, they can become that team for San Antonio, an enormous market which has always wanted a football team. But for Texas State? It is a longshot.
Quote from: grumbler on May 01, 2012, 09:41:20 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2012, 09:27:41 AM
At Delaware, it sort of made sense. It was a I-AA school in the northeast and a large majority of the student body were women (which was awesome for other reasons). It was still painful. I had friends from high school who were at Big 10 & SEC schools and didn't know how good they had it.
At least your team had the second-best-looking uniforms in all of football. :D
Marshall fans used to call us "Baby Michigan". My response was "So?"
I'll take a uniform imitating one of the more storied NCAA programs any day over the horrible green uniforms Marshall wore and still wears.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2012, 09:51:56 AM
Texans are very laid back people so we are fanatical for football in a relaxed show up if we feel like it sort of way (when Texas is down like they have been the past two years, there are plenty of tickets to be had for example). It is true that football is the only sport anybody cares about but the perception we are super fans is misplaced.
My Dad spent a few years growing up in Texas, back in the mid-late '50s, and for some of those small towns out in the middle of nowhere, the local high school game on Friday night
was The Big Fucking Deal(tm).
The hot rod drag races and demolition derbies on Saturday night were a distant, distant second.
Eh, I think TSU will be okay, Valmy. They're not ever going to be Texas (no one is), and they probably won't ever have the following of UTSA simply because they're in San Marcos vs. San Antonio, but they'll be alright in the 'belt.
It'll be rough for football for a while, but their baseball team is going to do pretty well in that conference IMO. Biggest challenge is going to be selling those teams they play to their fans when the football team sucks and all that. They'll probably need to do some gimmicky giveaway type things for several of the games to at least get people out there and talking about football, etc. In the meantime, UTSA is most likely going to be getting fuckstomped by more "name" schools for a longer period of time.
E: Oh hey, the Horns won that Lone Star Showdown thing again, so I guess that stays in Austin forever.
Quote from: stjaba on April 27, 2012, 12:37:22 PM
I disagree with you. First off, some colleges/towns are more suitable than others. Could Ohio State or Michigan or Florida or USC do it? Probably. But what about TCU or Boise State? Or Kansas State? or WVU? There are plenty of colleges with small stadiums that are completely inadequate for hosting a BCS playoff game.
And there are plenty of non-college statiums that would be completely inadequate as well, so we have to eliminate all college venues and all non-college venues, because having an unsuitable site within a grouping invalidates all sites in that grouping, right?
QuoteAlso, a lot of these colleges are in remote locales without a lot of hotel/motel rooms around. This isn't a problem in the regular season because most of the attendees of games live locally or within a day's driving distance. Since the games are scheduled far in advance, people can arrange accommodations far in advance. It's a completely different story for a BCS play-off game. You will have a lot of people having to make accommodations quickly, both fans of the other team as well as media. It's going to be a hassle, not to mention expensive to arrange all that when you're dealing with the Gainesvilles, Tallahasees, Auburns, etc. of the world.
Again, we are talking about the top two teams in Div-1A. Not many of the candidates are located in remote locales, and those which are would be tasked with coming up with an alternative that met whatever criteria you are establishing for the game, just like the bowls do. If BSU has to move their game to some pro stadium to meet the standards, they will have to plan for that or sacrifice their opportunity to host.
Most of the fans at these games will be hmoe team fans anyway, and they already know where to stay and how to get there.
QuoteOn the other hand, I do see merit in home team hosting, primarily out of the maximizing attendance due to convenience to the home fans. Also, it is easy to foresee scenarios where BCS playoff games get crappy attendance due to the neutral site- e.g. Boise State vs. USC in Indianapolis in late December.
Don't have to foresee it; look at the attendance at the 2008 ACC championship game: 27,000 people in a 78,000 seat stadium. Both teams were going to bowl games and BC fans preferred to hang on to their money to spend on the bowl.
QuoteI think the ideal plan would somehow maximize attendance while also making sure the games are in appropriate stadiums with appropriate surrounding infrastructure. I think a good compromise would be that each conference has a home, centrally located neutral site that would be used for the number 1 and 2 seeds. The SEC could have Atlanta/Nashville/, Big 10 could have Indianapolis/Detroit, Pac 12 could have LA etc. This would help ensure good attendance(because the sites would be convenient to regional fanbases) while also making sure the stadiums and surrounding infrastructure are appropriate.
I can't see moving the game from Michigan Stadium (113,000) to Soldier Field or Lucas Oil (62,000) and giving up 50,000 seats at $200 a seat. That's ten million dollars you are leaving on the table, for no good reason. The NFL does home playoff games, and is apparently prospering.
Quote from: grumbler on May 02, 2012, 10:10:56 AM
And there are plenty of non-college statiums that would be completely inadequate as well, so we have to eliminate all college venues and all non-college venues, because having an unsuitable site within a grouping invalidates all sites in that grouping, right?
That's irrelevant because if the BCS chose sites in advance there would be a guarantee that the stadium would be appropriate. Not so in the case of college stadiums.
QuoteAgain, we are talking about the top two teams in Div-1A. Not many of the candidates are located in remote locales, and those which are would be tasked with coming up with an alternative that met whatever criteria you are establishing for the game, just like the bowls do. If BSU has to move their game to some pro stadium to meet the standards, they will have to plan for that or sacrifice their opportunity to host.
I would disagree here. I guess it depends on how you define remote. Obviously remoteness can differ by degree, but I think most college towns are in relatively remote locations.
Just to cite a couple examples from the SEC:
Athens- 73 miles away from Atlanta
Gainesville- 72 miles away from Jacksonville
Auburn- 108 miles from Atlanta
Tuscaloosa- 58 miles from Birmingham(which really isn't a major metropolitan area)
Oxford - 85 miles from Memphis
I can tell you that all of these cities have tiny airports.
I assume the problem is worse in certain Big 10 and Big 12 locates- e.g. Lubbock, Manhattan, Lincoln.
Second- even if some stadiums/locates are adequate, where do you draw the line where you don't let a home team host ? Some sort of formula involving number of seats and luxury boxes? I guarantee you that every single home team would want to host, if given the option. Seems like formulating appropriate criteria would be difficult, and possibly subject to criticism, and uncertainty.
Third, if some college stadiums are inadequate, what stadium do you go with? Let the lower seed host? That seems unfair. I'm not sure how easy it is to find a vacant, staffable, usable stadium on three weeks time.
Quote
I can't see moving the game from Michigan Stadium (113,000) to Soldier Field or Lucas Oil (62,000) and giving up 50,000 seats at $200 a seat. That's ten million dollars you are leaving on the table, for no good reason. The NFL does home playoff games, and is apparently prospering.
First off, it's more than a number of seats game- luxury boxes/premium seats matter too. Second, I assume the BCS is trying to look out for its sponsors/business partners. I think it's fair assumption that sponsors/business partners would be more likely to buy tickets/sponsorships if they are absolutely certain the semi-final games are in accessible, major metropolitan markets. These sponsor relationships may be less lucrative if there's a chance that the semi-final games are occasionally in the middle of nowhere.
All that being said, I agree that home team hosting is the most preferable option. You would think that with all the extra money coming from a new TV deal that the BCS would be willing to deal with the possible headaches that arise from having home team hosts.
Quote from: stjaba on May 02, 2012, 11:25:02 AM
Auburn- 108 miles from Atlanta
Auburn - 54 miles from Montgomery. Only about 15 flights into Montgomery airport a day, though, all from Atlanta / Charlotte / Dallas.
Quote from: ulmont on May 02, 2012, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: stjaba on May 02, 2012, 11:25:02 AM
Auburn- 108 miles from Atlanta
Auburn - 54 miles from Montgomery. Only about 15 flights into Montgomery airport a day, though, all from Atlanta / Charlotte / Dallas.
Opps- forgot about Montgomery. Still being 54 miles from Montgomery isn't exactly the height of accessibility. And Auburn itself is tiny. But it's a bit nicer than some of the surrounding cities. In 2006, I stayed in Colombus, Georgia for the UF-Auburn game. As far as I could tell, in Columbus there are three kinds of businesses: pawn shops, strip clubs, and liquor stores. :hmm:
Quote from: stjaba on May 02, 2012, 11:25:02 AM
That's irrelevant because if the BCS chose sites in advance there would be a guarantee that the stadium would be appropriate. Not so in the case of college stadiums.
That's irrelevant because the NCAA could require that schools meet a minimum standard for stadium size, etc, before they could host.
QuoteI would disagree here. I guess it depends on how you define remote. Obviously remoteness can differ by degree, but I think most college towns are in relatively remote locations.
Just to cite a couple examples from the SEC:
Athens- 73 miles away from Atlanta
Gainesville- 72 miles away from Jacksonville
Auburn- 108 miles from Atlanta
Tuscaloosa- 58 miles from Birmingham(which really isn't a major metropolitan area)
Oxford - 85 miles from Memphis
I can tell you that all of these cities have tiny airports.
And yet these college stadiums fill up every Saturday.
Sorry, I have to disagree with the idea that college football stadiums can't host college football games.
QuoteSecond- even if some stadiums/locates are adequate, where do you draw the line where you don't let a home team host ? Some sort of formula involving number of seats and luxury boxes? I guarantee you that every single home team would want to host, if given the option. Seems like formulating appropriate criteria would be difficult, and possibly subject to criticism, and uncertainty.
Nonsense. You establish the criteria (pro baseball does it, for instance) and teams that can't meet the criteria have to find alternate hosting options, or play as the away team.
QuoteThird, if some college stadiums are inadequate, what stadium do you go with? Let the lower seed host? That seems unfair. I'm not sure how easy it is to find a vacant, staffable, usable stadium on three weeks time.
If a team cannot host, then it is the away team. That's a perfectly fair outcome, if they can't come up with a plan over the course of the two years between the plan's acceptance and the first playoff game.
QuoteFirst off, it's more than a number of seats game- luxury boxes/premium seats matter too. Second, I assume the BCS is trying to look out for its sponsors/business partners. I think it's fair assumption that sponsors/business partners would be more likely to buy tickets/sponsorships if they are absolutely certain the semi-final games are in accessible, major metropolitan markets. These sponsor relationships may be less lucrative if there's a chance that the semi-final games are occasionally in the middle of nowhere.
The BCS will still be able to look after it's leeches and bloodsuckers, just as it does now. The NCAA can simply remove a pair of games from anything to do with the BCS, and even let the losers play in the BCS's bowls, if the semifinal games are a week after the conference finals.
Major college stadiums have as many luxury boxes/etc as pro stadiums. The one issue that would arise is student seat costs - if you make $100 on 20,000 student tickets, you just lost $2 million. If you don't give the students a big discount, how do you justify using the university's stadium?
Still, the average of 10,000 more ticket sales (based on the averages for games actually played in 1998-2012 versus what they would have gotten with the home-hosting plan) is a powerful lure. Especially when you consider that at least some of these teams are going to play again, and fans won't be able to go to two bowl games in a single offseason.
(see http://mgoblog.com/content/michigan-museday-fears-nippert#comments for some analysis)
QuoteAll that being said, I agree that home team hosting is the most preferable option. You would think that with all the extra money coming from a new TV deal that the BCS would be willing to deal with the possible headaches that arise from having home team hosts.
Agree.
Quote from: stjaba on May 02, 2012, 12:25:26 PMIn 2006, I stayed in Colombus, Georgia for the UF-Auburn game. As far as I could tell, in Columbus there are three kinds of businesses: pawn shops, strip clubs, and liquor stores. :hmm:
Columbus is highly parasitic on Fort Benning (you forgot the army surplus stores), but the worst parts are all on the west side, and especially in Phenix City, Alabama.
Quote from: ulmont on May 02, 2012, 01:23:03 PMPhenix City, Alabama.
Which seemingly consists of a quick stop gas station with adjoining barber shop and an elderly black woman selling okra from a roadside shack.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 02, 2012, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: ulmont on May 02, 2012, 01:23:03 PMPhenix City, Alabama.
Which seemingly consists of a quick stop gas station with adjoining barber shop and an elderly black woman selling okra from a roadside shack.
I think there was a Piggy Wiggly supermarket in there too.
And Ohio's AD, Gene Smith, is a moron (part 1,362,912):
Quote"That's a good way to say it: We're kind of too big to fail," Smith said
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7881076/are-ohio-state-buckeyes-too-big-fail
Smith thinks that "too big to fail" is a good thing! :lol:
Have you seen him? He is too big to fail. :lol:
Yeah College Baseball has had lower seeds host for decades when the #1 seeds had bad facilities and the like. It is not like College Football will become the first sport ever to have higher seeded teams host post-season games.
Quote from: grumbler on May 02, 2012, 12:56:04 PM
You establish the criteria (pro baseball does it, for instance)...
What on earth are you talking about? There is no such thing in pro baseball, at least at the major league level.
Quote from: valmy
Yeah College Baseball has had lower seeds host for decades when the #1 seeds had bad facilities and the like. It is not like College Football will become the first sport ever to have higher seeded teams host post-season games.
True, but in college baseball we're talking about preliminary rounds, not national championship semi-finals. Also, I think it's a fair assumption that home field advantage is less of an issue in baseball compared to football. I mean home field advantage in college football is huge. That's why I posted earlier that no school in its right mind would turn down the opportunity to host a home game.
Lastly, there's a lot of paranoia in the media and among non-BCS schools that that the BCS schools/big time programs and BCS are conspiring to screw over non-BCS schools. Remember when people complained that Boise State was playing TCU in the Fiesta Bowl a few years back, like it was some sort of conspiracy to not let Boise and TCU play BCS teams?
At least based on that history, imagine the uproar and bitching if a game was moved from #2 seed Boise to #3 seed Florida. While the potential to cause controversy and uproar by itself isn't a good reason to not do something, one of the motivations in switching to a playoff system is fairness. Letting some teams host but not other teams host goes against the principles of fairness.
So happy :)
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7877172/bcs-gets-right
Quote from: stjaba on May 02, 2012, 10:41:07 PM
What on earth are you talking about? There is no such thing in pro baseball, at least at the major league level.
Well, there are people who think that there is. In fact, they are as dogmatic about there being a minimum stadium requirement as you are that there is not. But I'll accept your dogmatic answer, since it doesn't matter. College baseball certainly does, and this is college sports we are talking about.
QuoteTrue, but in college baseball we're talking about preliminary rounds, not national championship semi-finals.
We are talking about the first round of the college football tournament. Half the baseball games were played at home sites, half at neutral sites. Just like is proposed for football.
QuoteAlso, I think it's a fair assumption that home field advantage is less of an issue in baseball compared to football. I mean home field advantage in college football is huge. That's why I posted earlier that no school in its right mind would turn down the opportunity to host a home game.
Yes, home field advantage is huge, and no one would turn it down if they had the choice. Duh! :D
QuoteLastly, there's a lot of paranoia in the media and among non-BCS schools that that the BCS schools/big time programs and BCS are conspiring to screw over non-BCS schools. Remember when people complained that Boise State was playing TCU in the Fiesta Bowl a few years back, like it was some sort of conspiracy to not let Boise and TCU play BCS teams?
At least based on that history, imagine the uproar and bitching if a game was moved from #2 seed Boise to #3 seed Florida. While the potential to cause controversy and uproar by itself isn't a good reason to not do something, one of the motivations in switching to a playoff system is fairness. Letting some teams host but not other teams host goes against the principles of fairness.
It is perfectly fair to set a minimum facilities standard for hosting a college football playoff game. Teams that can't host in their own stadiums will have to make arrangements, or give up on hosting.
http://www.thelantern.com/sports/compliance-department-warns-ohio-state-student-athletes-about-kentucky-sex-offender-1.2868234#.T6R3VsWt21f
LOL.
Quote from: stjaba on May 02, 2012, 10:41:07 PM
Also, I think it's a fair assumption that home field advantage is less of an issue in baseball compared to football.
I don't think that's true in the pros. I don't know enough about college baseball to say about the situation in college, but in college football, a huge part of the home-field advantage is that major programs are going to schedule weaker teams as home games, and the weaker teams are going to take those games for the pay. It's not uncommon for a major college football power to play 8 home games and only 4 road games, and half those home games will be against patsies.
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The most unfair part of the BCS bowls is that they're never north. They're always in the SPF 50 towns. It's unfair to teams like Ohio State and Notre Dame, teams that are built for the snow and the wind and the 4-yard nose-bending gain, to always have to go south to win titles. So we fix that right now.
Therefore, 1 and 2 will play at their home stadiums in the semis.
Oh shit that's great.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 05, 2012, 02:12:36 AM
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Therefore, 1 and 2 will play at their home stadiums in the semis.
Oh shit that's great.
No kidding.
QuoteIt's unfair to teams like Ohio State and Notre Dame, teams that are built for the snow and the wind and the 4-yard nose-bending gain,
The Spread in the 'shoe. :cry:
Quote from: dps on May 04, 2012, 09:40:21 PM
Quote from: stjaba on May 02, 2012, 10:41:07 PM
Also, I think it's a fair assumption that home field advantage is less of an issue in baseball compared to football.
I don't think that's true in the pros. I don't know enough about college baseball to say about the situation in college, but in college football, a huge part of the home-field advantage is that major programs are going to schedule weaker teams as home games, and the weaker teams are going to take those games for the pay. It's not uncommon for a major college football power to play 8 home games and only 4 road games, and half those home games will be against patsies.
Adjusting for strength of schedule, home field advantage in college football is worth about 3.5 points, which is definitely meaningful. http://www.cfbtn.com/2009/08/myth-of-home-field-advantage.html
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 04, 2012, 07:42:46 PM
http://www.thelantern.com/sports/compliance-department-warns-ohio-state-student-athletes-about-kentucky-sex-offender-1.2868234#.T6R3VsWt21f
LOL.
The LOLs stop when a LB recruit decommits over fathead perv. :lol:
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 05, 2012, 01:38:55 PM
The LOLs stop when a LB recruit decommits over fathead perv. :lol:
It was over more than that, but the perv was definitely the tipping point.
OSU is going to lose Bosa, as well, I think.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 05, 2012, 02:12:36 AM
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The most unfair part of the BCS bowls is that they're never north. They're always in the SPF 50 towns. It's unfair to teams like Ohio State and Notre Dame, teams that are built for the snow and the wind and the 4-yard nose-bending gain, to always have to go south to win titles. So we fix that right now.
Therefore, 1 and 2 will play at their home stadiums in the semis.
Oh shit that's great.
Texas has a temperature controlled practice dome so when they were going to go up to play Nebraska they would be ready having practiced in close to freezing temperatures all week. Texas even beat them in the snow in 2006. But I have to admit going into Ann Arbor in December to play a #1 or #2 Michigan team would be a pretty scary for any southern team.
Just wait till Wyoming gets the NC game. January in Laramie.
Quote from: Valmy on May 05, 2012, 03:19:45 PM
But I have to admit going into Ann Arbor in December to play a #1 or #2 Michigan team would be a pretty scary for any southern team.
:lol: Ann Arbor isn't some sort of insane arctic nightmare in December/January. I mean, I joke with my wife and call it a terrible frozen wasteland and all that, but Michigan isn't really that bad at all.
E: Oh yeah, the Big 12 officially has a new commissioner. Bowlsby, former Stanford AD.
Quote from: Valmy on May 05, 2012, 03:19:45 PM
Texas has a temperature controlled practice dome so when they were going to go up to play Nebraska they would be ready having practiced in close to freezing temperatures all week. Texas even beat them in the snow in 2006. But I have to admit going into Ann Arbor in December to play a #1 or #2 Michigan team would be a pretty scary for any southern team.
While I think weather is a factor, the website I linked to earlier explained that one of the biggest components of home field advantage in college football is the relative remoteness of the college. Adjusting for strength of schedule, schools like Boise State and Hawaii had the highest home field advantage.
Valmy, you see this from Shaggybevo?
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:D
I knew there was at least one more dead hooker in there :lol:
Mike Leach knows about internet memes :wub:
Quote from: Valmy on May 08, 2012, 10:30:32 PM
Mike Leach knows about internet memes :wub:
And to think, the Terps passed him over. :(
Have to wait and see what he can do with Wazzu.
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Serious deja vu there ed....
Quote from: katmai on May 09, 2012, 06:45:32 PM
Serious deja vu there ed....
IT WAS A DIFFERENT MESSAGE YOU BEANER.
Out of the blue CBS is reporting Florida State may bolt for the Big 12.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/08/fsu-and-the-big-xii/
Obviously the Big 12 would eagerly take somebody like FSU regardless of how absurd that is geographically but...um...WTF? Is lemonjello around to comment?
Oh and here is the text:
QuoteTALLAHASSEE (CBSMiami) – The wheels of conference realignment may not be finished spinning. Rumors continue to percolate to the top that the Big XII may have its eyes on a very big prize, the Florida State Seminoles.
The Big XII is looking up after two straight years of defections and a near complete collapse of the conference. Monday, the Big XII agreed to terms of a new TV deal with ESPN and Fox worth a combined $2.6 billion through 2025.
That works out to a yearly average of $20 million per year for each of the school's members, according to CBSSports.com. It also reestablished the league in the upper echelon of college football with the Pac-12, SEC, and Big Ten.
Currently, the Big XII has the following members: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and West Virginia. The Big XII wants to get back to 12 members to be able to hold a lucrative championship game again soon.
That's where Florida State could possibly come into play.
The Seminoles have been members of the ACC for more than a decade and remain the only ACC school to appear in the BCS National Championship game. While Florida State won't replace the academic prestige that left with Missouri, it would give the Big XII something much more lucrative.
FSU would open up the fertile recruiting grounds of Florida to the conference, but more importantly, it would open the Tampa, Orlando, and Miami television markets to the conference, which would greatly extend the conference's reach and boost television revenue.
FSU would play under a much more lucrative contract in the Big XII than what the ACC has to offer. Plus, if the divisions in the Big XII were reestablished, it's possible the Seminoles could replace Missouri in the Big XII North, which would almost guarantee them a path to the championship game every year.
The Big XII was looking at expansion once the deal was cut with the new TV contract. The other school expected to be on the Big XII radar is Louisville. The Cardinals have been rumored to be interested in the Big XII for months, but so far nothing official has come out.
If the Big XII Conference were to expand and add FSU and Louisville to the conference, the divisions could look something like this: Big XII North – FSU, Louisville, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and West Virginia; Big XII South – Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.
Time will tell if the Big XII will come knocking on the door in Tallahassee, but it will expand, the only question is who will the two lucky teams be to hit the jackpot with the new television money?
The rumor involving FSU tends to also include Clemson. Mildly interesting that they left that out, but did mention the one involving Louisville.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 10, 2012, 11:04:13 AM
The rumor involving FSU tends to also include Clemson. Mildly interesting that they left that out, but did mention the one involving Louisville.
Clemson? :wacko:
Quote from: Valmy on May 10, 2012, 11:06:03 AM
Clemson? :wacko:
Yeah, up until that article there, all the shit I'd seen about Florida State included Clemson as a kind of package deal. Miami also gets brought up occasionally, but I don't know how much there is to that one.
Clemson is what A&M would be without the Corps. I would think they already saw enough of West Virginia to not want to have to play them every year.
Quote from: Valmy on May 10, 2012, 11:10:07 AM
Clemson is what A&M would be without the Corps.
True, but you gotta admit that's quite an improvement. :P
Here's a thing from yesterday by that dork Chip Brown talking about FSU specifically though:
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1363940
Not really much of a story by Chip IMO. He makes a case why Florida State may want to bolt but beyond pointing out they have not said they are not going he doesn't really report anything.
Nah, just some info. Wetzel said about an hour ago that FSU officials have also talked about the potential of their own network, but he didn't say anything beyond that (it's on twitter, so not much room for a big discussion).
Florida State BoT President calls the ACC the suckiest conference to ever suck a suck and says Board of Trustees unanimous in hearing what the Big 12 offers:
QuoteUntil now, everyone officially associated with Florida State has publicly supported the recently announced television deal between the Atlantic Coast Conference and ESPN/ABC.
That is no longer the case.
In an exclusive interview with Warchant.com, Florida State Board of Trustees Chairman Andy Haggard blasted the agreement that will net each ACC school approximately $17 million per year through 2026-27.
While the new deal will result in an increase of nearly $4 million per school from the old contract, some of the terms have resulted in harsh criticism from Florida State fans and alumni. It has also drawn the ire of FSU's Board of Trustees' Chair.
"It's mind-boggling and shocking," said Haggard. "How can the ACC give up third tier rights for football but keep them for basketball?"
Haggard is referring to the fact that the ACC surrendered all third tier television rights for football to ESPN/ABC but kept them for men's basketball. That arrangement will likely result in substantial revenue for schools with a strong basketball following like North Carolina and Duke.On the other hand, it will do very little for schools with a more traditional football following like FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech and Miami.
"It continues the perception that the ACC favors the North Carolina schools," noted Haggard.
Haggard added that he has received numerous emails from FSU fans and alumni since the deal was announced and estimates that about 95 percent are unhappy with the ACC's deal and how it will impact Florida State.
This overwhelming criticism over the ACC's handling of the new TV deal and FSU's recently announced financial shortcomings (projected $2.4 million deficit for 2012-13) have only added fuel to rumors of a potential move to the Big 12.
Haggard confirmed that as far as he knows there has been no contact between FSU and the Big 12 regarding possible expansion. However, he makes it very clear that he and the Board of Trustees would be more than open to exploring the possibility if it would mean additional revenue to the school.
"How do you not look into that option," asked Haggard. "On behalf of the Board of Trustees I can say that unanimously we would be in favor of seeing what the Big 12 might have to offer. We have to do what is in Florida State's best interest."
It has been reported that the new Big 12 television deal with ESPN/ABC will be result in each school receiving approximately $20 million per year. Were FSU and fellow ACC member Clemson to join the Big 12 that figure would go even higher. The SEC's new TV deal with Texas A&M and Missouri joining the conference is expected to be worth well over $20 million annually per school.
"With the SEC making the kind of money it does it's time to act," said Haggard. "You can't sit back and be content in the ACC. This is a different time financially. This isn't 10-15 years ago when money was rolling in."
Of the few who still support FSU staying in the ACC, most cite the number of well-regarded academic institutions within the conference. However, Haggard scoffed at the idea that the ACC somehow helps FSU's academic reputation.
"No FSU graduate puts on his resume or interviews for a job saying they are in the same conference as Duke and Virginia," he said. "Conference affiliation really has no impact on academics."
Haggard concluded that he will be speaking with FSU president Eric Barron and Athletic Director Randy Spetman about the best way to proceed in exploring options outside of the ACC.
teh link: http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1364755
Quote from: Valmy on May 12, 2012, 06:39:19 PM
Of the few who still support FSU staying in the ACC, most cite the number of well-regarded academic institutions within the conference. However, Haggard scoffed at the idea that the ACC somehow helps FSU's academic reputation.
"No FSU graduate puts on his resume or interviews for a job saying they are in the same conference as Duke and Virginia," he said. "Conference affiliation really has no impact on academics."
Well of course not, they still went to a shitty State school. :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on May 12, 2012, 06:39:19 PM
Florida State BoT President calls the ACC the suckiest conference to ever suck a suck and says Board of Trustees unanimous in hearing what the Big 12 offers:
Pretty funny, considering they were invited specifically to have an opportunity to win it every year. Talk about ingratitude.
Damn that's a helluva statement.
The word running around now is that the Big East explodes (again) and the Big 12 might actually get back to 12...in other words, situation normal.
The Big 12 also owns the rights to the Big 14 name. Heh.
Florida st. would make much more sense in the SEC. This is stupid.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 12, 2012, 11:32:39 PM
Florida st. would make much more sense in the SEC. This is stupid.
Florida State cannot join the SEC. The reasons for this should be obvious.
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2012, 12:06:25 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 12, 2012, 11:32:39 PM
Florida st. would make much more sense in the SEC. This is stupid.
Florida State cannot join the SEC. The reasons for this should be obvious.
They're whiny babies that can't stand instate competition.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 13, 2012, 12:10:18 AM
They're whiny babies that can't stand instate competition.
If you are talking about Florida then...yes I suppose but that is not really the reason they block the other Florida schools.
But seriously they have never shied away from playing Miami and FLorida. So what the fuck are you talking about?
Quote from: Valmy on May 13, 2012, 12:13:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 13, 2012, 12:10:18 AM
They're whiny babies that can't stand instate competition.
If you are talking about Florida then...yes I suppose but that is not really the reason they block the other Florida schools.
But seriously they have never shied away from playing Miami and FLorida. So what the fuck are you talking about?
I'm not sure which schools in the SEC blocked it(presumably UF and South Carolina), but both Clemson and FSU weren't considered in the last realignment carousel because they were in pre-existing SEC states.
Boise State apparently "forgot" to file the paperwork to leave the Mountain West, and while they would have to pay 5 million to back out of the Big East, they would be allowed back to the Mountain West. There are supposedly talks going on now about that.
San Diego State is fucked. Tough titties.
Forget the playoffs and next round of possible realignment. This is
HUGE news for college football:
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-articles/may/breaking-pam-ward-out-of-espns-college-football-coverage.html
QuoteI can report ESPN has removed Pam Ward from its college football coverage.
— Richard Deitsch (@richarddeitsch) May 21, 2012
Wow.
The noon Big 10 games will never be the same.
Quote from: Valmy on May 21, 2012, 11:38:23 AM
Wow.
The noon Big 10 games will never be the same.
... thank Hod.
That's wonderful. :)
:)
I liked her. :blush:
I support lesbians in the workplace.
An interesting little debate has arison over on MGoBlog about whether it is great or it sucks that Michigan's schedule changes difficulty so greatly depending on whether it is an even or an odd year. In even years, Michigan plays ND, Nebraska, and Ohio away - when Wisconsin rolls onto the schedule in 2014, it will also be away in even years. In odd years, obviously, M gets them all at home.
The question is whether it is better to have, say, 10-2 regular seasons alternate with 8-4 seasons, or whether to have the schedule balanced and go 9-3 every year (with a +/- two game variability, so you get the occasional national championship shot in odd years but probably don't get as many of them in the balanced schedule, because the difference between 1 loss and 2 is everything).
I'm thinking the imbalanced setup serves the school and conference best. Any thoughts?
I dunno, g...If it were a lesser known program, a more balanced schedule with a consistent W/L record would help with the recruiting; but it's not like Michigan would be starving for recruits looking for a consistent program, though.
Although, I still think a more balanced schedule, particularly considering the conference and Michigan's overall SOS, would still put it in a better position for BCS shots every year than an imbalanced schedule format. Noamsayin'?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 22, 2012, 01:29:09 PM
I dunno, g...If it were a lesser known program, a more balanced schedule with a consistent W/L record would help with the recruiting; but it's not like Michigan would be starving for recruits looking for a consistent program, though.
Although, I still think a more balanced schedule, particularly considering the conference and Michigan's overall SOS, would still put it in a better position for BCS shots every year than an imbalanced schedule format. Noamsayin'?
Well, that's the question: do you want BCS bowls every year but few/no MNCs, or do you want championship game appearances more often, but also more non-BCS bowls?
Urban Meyer is one of the hottest caches out there, based on his Florida performance. That was a 9-3, 13-1, 9-4, 13-1, 13-1, 8-5 run. Half the time his teams were in the MNC chase, half were nowhere near that. Florida fans seemed delighted. Pete Carrol had records from 2005-2008 of 12-1, 11-2, 11-2, 12-1 and won no MNCs in that period (though he had, of course, won one in each of the years leading up to 2005, in which he went 12-1 and 13-0). He was in the chase the whole time, but the difference between one and two losses is massive.
I don't have strong feelings on the issue, and I think the question is an interesting one.
I would rather have a shot at the NC every couple of years. Of course as a Ducks fan I would be happy with a shot at the NC every decade or so.
Oregon's schedule was like that for quite a while. One year they played all the good teams at home, the next they were on the road; though the teams in question seemed to change around year to year.
I am still trying to figure out how the PAC-12 schedule will work out in the future. I know they play 8 of the 12 teams each year (always their 5 divisions mates (UW, WSU, CAl Stanford and OSU for the Ducks) and new teams from the other division rotate in/out every two years. Oregon didn't play UCLA or Utah in the regular season so they will move into the schedule in 2013, not sure who we lose.
All i know is Huskies might have the toughest first six games in Nation....and that is with a game vs Portland St thrown in.
With LSU, Stanford, Oregon and USC all expected to be in top 12 in rankings, not to mention a tough SDSU team too.
Sept. 1 SAN DIEGO STATE
Sept. 8 at LSU
Sept. 15 PORTLAND STATE
Sept. 27 STANFORD
Oct. 6 at Oregon
Oct. 13 USC
This isn't exactly football only but I couldn't think of anywhere else to put it.
USC won the men's tennis championship giving the Pac-10(12) their 450th national championship, more than any other conference. Also the Pac-10(12) has led the nation in NCAA Championships in 45 of last 51 years and has a very good chance of making it 46 out of 52 this year.
http://pac-12.org/ABOUT/PacNews/Tabid/905/Article/156258/Pac-12-Nets-450th-NCAA-Championship.aspx
That is an impressive achievement considering the fact the eastern schools tend to have more varsity sports.
USC, UCLA and Stanford have quite impressive programs all around. But they also have lots of students and money, so hardly Davids against eastern Goliaths.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 23, 2012, 03:23:33 PM
USC, UCLA and Stanford have quite impressive programs all around. But they also have lots of students and money, so hardly Davids against eastern Goliaths.
I meant they do not compete for national titles in things like Field Hockey, not that they were not goliaths of awesomeness.
But looking at it Stanford does indeed compete in a huge number of varsity sports.
Apparently Alabama has a grand total of 6 NCAA sanctioned national championships(all in women's gymnastics) :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2012, 03:09:37 PM
That is an impressive achievement considering the fact the eastern schools tend to have more varsity sports.
As you mention after this, PAC-12 schools have a LOT of varsity sports. Stanford is #1 in sports played by quite a margin, IIRC, and USC (or is it UCLA?) is/was #2.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 23, 2012, 03:45:43 PM
Apparently Alabama has a grand total of 6 NCAA sanctioned national championships(all in women's gymnastics) :lol:
I wonder if they oversign in women's gymnastics, too? :secret:
Quote from: katmai on May 22, 2012, 09:55:54 PM
All i know is Huskies might have the toughest first six games in Nation....and that is with a game vs Portland St thrown in.
With LSU, Stanford, Oregon and USC all expected to be in top 12 in rankings, not to mention a tough SDSU team too.
Sept. 1 SAN DIEGO STATE
Sept. 8 at LSU
Sept. 15 PORTLAND STATE
Sept. 27 STANFORD
Oct. 6 at Oregon
Oct. 13 USC
SDSU is a bunch of pushovers - even UWYO has beaten them twice in a row.
I'm hearing more talk in the past few days from Texas fans that the Big XII bringing in some selection from: FSU/Clemson/GT/Miami/VT is extremely likely to happen. To me, you combine that with the bowl deal the Big 12 signed to play the SEC champion really makes me think the ACC could be getting pushed into being what the Big East was turned into back when Miami/VT/BC left. The Big East will be turned into C-USA when the ACC comes calling for all the other acceptable Big East programs remaining that can replace.
The geography argument doesn't really matter, the Big XII is a western conference and out west distances were always big anyway. Once your travel is mostly by chartered jet I don't really know that it matters as much as people make it out. Especially when per-team revenue could be $25m in the Big XII versus $20m in the ACC.
Obviously maybe nothing happens but surprisingly to me I'm hearing that Georgia Tech is considered the most likely / most sure thing so far, with Florida State being strongly desired by the Big XII but people unsure if that will be reciprocated. If the Big XII picked up FSU, GT, Clemson and one of Miami or VT then they'd have a decent eastern division to make travel a little more reasonable and it would basically be the end of ACC as a football conference.
The ACC's problem I think is the football schools have finally realized just being able to say "we're in the same conference as DUKE!!" doesn't really mean shit in football and football is where the money is.
Yeah I am thinking Clemson and Florida State to the Big 12 looks like it might happen. I am not getting my hopes up but obviously this would be a pretty exciting developement for the Big 12, though it is always a little sad when a founding member like Clemson bolts a conference. FSU, of course, is traditionally independent so that is no big deal. And yeah Texas was already flying to anybody except Baylor and A&M before and now TCU and Baylor.
People, and by people I mean Deloss Dodds, are still talking about Notre Dame and...let me just say I will believe that crap when I see it.
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2012, 09:00:47 PM
People, and by people I mean Deloss Dodds, are still talking about Notre Dame and...let me just say I will believe that crap when I see it.
That's not necessarily "crap" at all. It could certainly happen if the playoff vote thing that's about to happen comes up with 4x conference champions instead of just the top 4, or some very similar variation of that (conference champs in the top 6, etc).
E: And the per team revenue in the ACC isn't even $20m, sadly enough, even though it includes all three tiers. It was something like $17 million, except there were really long term escalators (longer than what is in most of these sorts fo things, it seems) in there that means they wouldn't actually
get that full 17 until 2021 or some such. Next year, they're only looking at a boost to $14m (up from $13m) each. I'll have to look it up again for specifics. It was a pretty bad deal though.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 23, 2012, 09:26:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2012, 09:00:47 PM
People, and by people I mean Deloss Dodds, are still talking about Notre Dame and...let me just say I will believe that crap when I see it.
That's not necessarily "crap" at all. It could easily happen if the playoff vote thing that's about to happen comes up with 4x conference champions instead of just the top 4, or some very similar variation of that (conference champs in the top 6, etc).
Yeah, while Notre Dame has been pretty clear that they very much want to remain independent in football, that's always been within a context in which being independent didn't keep them from potentially playing for the national championship (however mythical such a beast might be). In fact, arguably, they have been getting a better shot at a major bowl bid under the BCS at as an independent than they would have as a member of a conference. But if being in a playoff hinges on being a conference champion, you can bet that ND will pick a conference to join. If it's just the top 4 teams in some rating system getting into the playoff, though, they'll stay independent unless something else happens that forces their hand.
Hey Berk what do you think of U of A's new copper football helmets? I think I like them. Not as good as the normal white, but not q terrible alt.
EDIT: Here is a shitty pic
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Wonder if they'll turn green over the course of the season.
I think they look pretty cool, actually.
Have to see how they go with the rest of the uniform though - supposedly Nike is designing a new uniform to go with the new helmet.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 24, 2012, 05:34:04 AM
Wonder if they'll turn green over the course of the season.
That would be awesome!
Quote from: Berkut on May 24, 2012, 10:17:04 AM
I think they look pretty cool, actually.
Have to see how they go with the rest of the uniform though - supposedly Nike is designing a new uniform to go with the new helmet.
Et tu Arizona?
Gotta keep up with the Oregons of the world.
Quote from: katmai on May 24, 2012, 11:31:15 AM
Gotta keep up with the Oregons of the world.
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10:06 and 88 degrees? Fuck that shit.
Feels good man.
I think WFAA is a DFW station.
James might be the first man in Texas political history to have killed more hookers than his vote percentage.
Quote from: Valmy on May 30, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
James might be the first man in Texas political history to have killed more hookers than his vote percentage.
But it must be some sort of comfort knowing you've secured the Telly-Savalas-from-
The-Dirty-Dozen bloc.
Quote from: Valmy on May 30, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
James might be the first man in Texas political history to have killed more hookers than his vote percentage.
Now who's being naive.
If people had cared a hundredth as much about those girls while they were alive, they'd probably still be around.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 31, 2012, 12:51:45 AM
Now who's being naive.
I did say 'might' didn't I? :P
Black Heart Gold Pants (a Purdue football blog) has been doing a series on the new pro Combat football uniforms they think should be adopted by the B10 schools. See http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2012/5/30/3051587/pro-combat-goes-b1g-michigan-state-edition for the latest and best so far, the MSU one:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.sbnation.com%2Fassets%2F1148002%2Fprocombat_msu2_medium.jpg&hash=d7589d53aeab107d5f857e7c279cb5fcc4ed6706)
The gloves:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.sbnation.com%2Fassets%2F1148082%2Fmsugloves2_medium.jpg&hash=b5c99a6879bdae8ae0595e20965481b522ec9e34)