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Title: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 11, 2009, 02:57:29 PM
What a game by Liverpool last night. 8) The Spaniards got what they had coming, and apparently now it's the Italians turn. ManU starts the game against Inter with dominance.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Liep on March 11, 2009, 03:00:15 PM
Also, it's always fun to see a Portuguese team getting their arses kicked. 12 - 1. :D
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:30:46 PM
Austin just got their first professional soccer team!  It is the second league behind the Major Leagues and the parent club is Stoke City FC.  They tied Houston Dynamo, a Major League team, in an exhibition match and their first real match ever will be the day I get married.

I look forward to going to their games this spring.

The name of the club is, of course, horrendous: Austin Aztex (Tex like for Texas and Aztex as in the Aztecs get it?  Yuk yuk.)

Hopefully I can get past that.

They are playing the Vancouver Whitecaps on the 21st of April...I am sort of toying with that date.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Liep on March 11, 2009, 03:34:33 PM
What's this fascination with giving the team a second name? Austin would do fine unless you have two teams.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:40:22 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 11, 2009, 03:34:33 PM
What's this fascination with giving the team a second name? Austin would do fine unless you have two teams.

Austin FC would have been fine.  There is an American tradition of each sports club having a nickname or a mascot that they are trying to cater to here.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 11, 2009, 03:41:39 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:30:46 PM

The name of the club is, of course, horrendous: Austin Aztex (Tex like for Texas and Aztex as in the Aztecs get it?  Yuk yuk.)



Hilarious.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Liep on March 11, 2009, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:40:22 PM
Austin FC would have been fine.  There is an American tradition of each sports club having a nickname or a mascot that they are trying to cater to here.
If you have to name every team in all your sports league with a nickname you set yourself up for fail. They've starting doing it here for basketball and icehockey teams and it's seriously retarded.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: Sulla on March 11, 2009, 03:41:39 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:30:46 PM

The name of the club is, of course, horrendous: Austin Aztex (Tex like for Texas and Aztex as in the Aztecs get it?  Yuk yuk.)



Hilarious.

I know I know

It sounds like a name for a pee wee league team.  I wish we still had the bleeding smilie.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:47:19 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 11, 2009, 03:43:39 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:40:22 PM
Austin FC would have been fine.  There is an American tradition of each sports club having a nickname or a mascot that they are trying to cater to here.
If you have to name every team in all your sports league with a nickname you set yourself up for fail. They've starting doing it here for basketball and icehockey teams and it's seriously retarded.

Yeah well it is tradition here.  But I do not really see why soccer teams need to follow this particular tradition.  DC United is just DC United and nobody complains they are the the DC United Iraqi killers or something.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Liep on March 11, 2009, 03:50:03 PM
You're bound to run out of good names.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:59:05 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 11, 2009, 03:50:03 PM
You're bound to run out of good names.

We used to just use the same names alot when sports were very regional.  There are tons of teams called 'Tigers' or 'Wild Cats' or 'Bears' and so forth.  Yet today now each team has to have its own new name not used before by the hundreds of clubs and leagues that exist.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Liep on March 11, 2009, 04:21:26 PM
Figo is still playing. :O Him and Giggs must have over a hundred years between them.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 11, 2009, 04:31:22 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:30:46 PM
Austin just got their first professional soccer team!  It is the second league behind the Major Leagues and the parent club is Stoke City FC.  They tied Houston Dynamo, a Major League team, in an exhibition match and their first real match ever will be the day I get married.


How does that work?
I thought you guys had no promotion/relegation.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 05:14:06 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 11, 2009, 04:31:22 PM
How does that work?
I thought you guys had no promotion/relegation.

Players get promoted through the leagues but the teams themselves do not.  It is what is called the 'Soccer Pyramid'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Soccer_Pyramid

Only the top three levels are professional leagues, the rest are amateurs.

Austin is in the United Soccer League first division
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 11, 2009, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:30:46 PM
Austin just got their first professional soccer team!  It is the second league behind the Major Leagues and the parent club is Stoke City FC.  They tied Houston Dynamo, a Major League team, in an exhibition match and their first real match ever will be the day I get married.

I look forward to going to their games this spring.

The name of the club is, of course, horrendous: Austin Aztex (Tex like for Texas and Aztex as in the Aztecs get it?  Yuk yuk.)

Hopefully I can get past that.

They are playing the Vancouver Whitecaps on the 21st of April...I am sort of toying with that date.
That's cool. However, Austin teams suck. When I played youth soccer we always had a good time beating them into dust.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Liep on March 11, 2009, 05:26:40 PM
Roma - Arsenal, penalties. I'll root for the Gunners since they got the only Dane, even if he's got pink shoes.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Liep on March 11, 2009, 05:27:27 PM
And I tainted them. :( What a horrendous kick from the Arsenal player.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 11, 2009, 06:06:18 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 11, 2009, 05:27:27 PM
And I tainted them. :( What a horrendous kick from the Arsenal player.

We still went through. Four English clubs in the quarter finals! Eat it, Blatter.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Saladin on March 11, 2009, 07:05:05 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 11, 2009, 06:06:18 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 11, 2009, 05:27:27 PM
And I tainted them. :( What a horrendous kick from the Arsenal player.

We still went through. Four English clubs in the quarter finals! Eat it, Blatter.

Appearantly he did... ;)
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: katmai on March 11, 2009, 07:07:01 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 11, 2009, 06:06:18 PM


We still went through. Four English clubs in the quarter finals! Eat it, Blatter.

they did? Wooo!
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: I Killed Kenny on March 11, 2009, 07:07:51 PM
LOL @ Mourinho
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Cerr on March 11, 2009, 07:18:59 PM
Great win for Liverpool last night.

Should be some interesting games in the quarters.
When's the draw for it?
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Liep on March 11, 2009, 07:25:43 PM
Quote from: Cerr on March 11, 2009, 07:18:59 PM
Great win for Liverpool last night.

Should be some interesting games in the quarters.
When's the draw for it?

March 20. Now we just need Porto and Bayern out and it'll be a good tournament.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on March 11, 2009, 07:27:13 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 03:40:22 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 11, 2009, 03:34:33 PM
What's this fascination with giving the team a second name? Austin would do fine unless you have two teams.

Austin FC would have been fine.  There is an American tradition of each sports club having a nickname or a mascot that they are trying to cater to here.

All the English football clubs have nicknames too, but they are just that, nicknames.......not part of their official terminology. A nickname should develop organically, as a consequence of events. So, the name should be Austin FC, as time goes by they may get a nickname.....
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 11, 2009, 07:30:13 PM
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Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Valmy on March 11, 2009, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 11, 2009, 05:20:29 PM
That's cool. However, Austin teams suck. When I played youth soccer we always had a good time beating them into dust.

Yes we sorta do at most sports.  It is a rare moment a team of Austin kids wins a State championship.

However I think there is like one actual Austinite on the roster, AJ Godbolt who played on Maryland's national champs a few years back.  The rest are a mix of Americans and English players our English owner recruited.  Oh and one Mexican guy.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 11, 2009, 09:02:06 PM
Man utd. are just too good. >:(

English teams prove that they are faaar better than any other league right now.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Liep on March 12, 2009, 07:47:02 AM
I wasn't too impressed by Arsenal, that game could've easily gone to Roma.  I think Man Utd., Liverpool or Barcelona is gonna take the trophy this year.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 12, 2009, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 12, 2009, 07:47:02 AM
I wasn't too impressed by Arsenal, that game could've easily gone to Roma.  I think Man Utd., Liverpool or Barcelona is gonna take the trophy this year.

Denilson is a liability. We need Fabregas back immediately. Him feeding Eduardo balls through defence... oh god.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 12, 2009, 02:23:10 PM
So...how about that premiership.
The bottom...13(?) is still crazily tight.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 12, 2009, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 11, 2009, 07:30:13 PM
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gay.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: clandestino on March 12, 2009, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 11, 2009, 03:00:15 PM
Also, it's always fun to see a Portuguese team getting their arses kicked. 12 - 1. :D

FU >:(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 12, 2009, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: clandestino on March 12, 2009, 03:28:51 PM

FU >:(

True, true. It takes a bit of the glory off when it's done by a German team, but still.
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 12, 2009, 09:47:02 PM
Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 12, 2009, 02:25:57 PM


gay.
Why do you hate America and the legacy of 1776?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: bogh on March 13, 2009, 07:21:15 AM
In related news, AaB got a deserved ass-whooping by Manchester City last night.

So much for the "We're better than FCK, even if they are way ahead of us in the league"-bollocks.

Manchester City is presumeably MonkeyButts new favorite team, being well underway to having eliminated three Danish teams from European footie this year.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 13, 2009, 08:25:29 AM
Yeah, it was a poor game. But hey, miracles do happens and all they need is a 2 - 0 win at home and then penalties. AND if it were to happen the entire population of northern Jylland would drink themselves to death and we'd be short of that problem. :P
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 13, 2009, 08:37:15 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 12, 2009, 09:47:02 PM
Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 12, 2009, 02:25:57 PM


gay.
Why do you hate America and the legacy of 1776?

Did I say I hate America and the legacy of 1776? No I didn't. Try not to read too much into one word posts.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 28, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
So Denmark beat Malta in a boring game, now we can only hope that Sweden and Portugal draw. But perhaps Hungary is our biggest rival for the top spot?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on March 28, 2009, 07:19:40 PM
Spain beat Turkey in a pretty boring match. The Turks kept the pressure up for over half the game. They had a couple nice shots. Spain was harmless.
But in the end they ran out of steam more or less when a strategy play finished on their net, and the passing machine grabbed ahold of the ball. From that moment on the Turks didn't get a chance to score.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 01, 2009, 03:09:16 PM
So Denmark wins again. This time 3 - 0 over Albania who didn't put up much of a fight.

Fun fact: Our topscorer plays in the French 5th division. :frog:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on April 01, 2009, 03:12:14 PM
Turkey 1 - Spain 2.
The Turks scored on their first opportunity, when Spain was playing best.
Spain scored on their first opportunity in the second half, when the Turks were playing best.

Then, fucking 85 minutes late, that fucking piece of shit Torres was finally replaced by Güiza, who promptly assisted Riera for the winning goal. Stupid coach.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 01, 2009, 03:13:04 PM
USA plays T&T tonight hoping to make up for the embarassment that was the El Salvador game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on April 01, 2009, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 03:13:04 PM
USA plays T&T tonight hoping to make up for the embarassment that was the El Salvador game.

Embarrasment?  That was a glorious comeback!  Anyway at least the US kicked the crap out of Mexico...again.  It almost becoming a tradition now.

T&T shall go down.  We let them beat us in that meaningless match at the end of round three.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 03:34:39 PM
It's hardly fair that we have to take on Trinidad *and* Tobago at the same time.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 01, 2009, 03:50:13 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 03:34:39 PM
It's hardly fair that we have to take on Trinidad *and* Tobago at the same time.

This is true. It also makes for a really confusing game what with 33 players on the field.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 01, 2009, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 01, 2009, 03:50:13 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 03:34:39 PM
It's hardly fair that we have to take on Trinidad *and* Tobago at the same time.

This is true. It also makes for a really confusing game what with 33 players on the field.

And so many T&T players have 1st names for surnames. :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on April 01, 2009, 03:52:04 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 01, 2009, 03:50:13 PM
This is true. It also makes for a really confusing game what with 33 players on the field.

And the Triangular field.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on April 01, 2009, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 01, 2009, 03:50:13 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 03:34:39 PM
It's hardly fair that we have to take on Trinidad *and* Tobago at the same time.

This is true. It also makes for a really confusing game what with 33 players on the field.
Are there that many people in that country?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 01, 2009, 03:54:37 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on April 01, 2009, 03:53:26 PM


Are there that many people in that country?

Quick CIA factbook says 1.3million people.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on April 01, 2009, 03:56:00 PM
Italy 1 - 1 Ireland

Good result tonight for Ireland. They nearly won the game in the last few minutes.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 01, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 28, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
So Denmark beat Malta in a boring game, now we can only hope that Sweden and Portugal draw. But perhaps Hungary is our biggest rival for the top spot?

We gave it our best, Liep, we really did.  :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 01, 2009, 06:47:05 PM
Bolvia 6
Argentina 1

:o
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on April 01, 2009, 07:12:10 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 06:47:05 PM
Bolvia 6
Argentina 1

:o
Morales trained them well it seems.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 01, 2009, 07:14:00 PM
Nice start for the US and Jozy. 1-0 after 12mins.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on April 01, 2009, 07:19:26 PM
Portugal has to win like all their games now. which means that come the WC all the porkchops in Ontario shall proudly be Brazllian lol
Title: Re: Football Thread
Post by: Neil on April 01, 2009, 07:26:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 12, 2009, 09:47:02 PM
Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 12, 2009, 02:25:57 PM


gay.
Why do you hate America and the legacy of 1776?
Because he hates lawlessness?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 01, 2009, 08:29:56 PM
Goal numero dos for Jozy! :w00t:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 01, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 08:29:56 PM
Goal numero dos for Jozy! :w00t:

Altidore completes the hat trick in 88th minute.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on April 01, 2009, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Altidore completes the hat trick in 88th minute.
The US should play those two teams at once all the time, they looked far more into the game this evening.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on April 01, 2009, 09:07:56 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 08:29:56 PM
Goal numero dos for Jozy! :w00t:

Altidore completes the hat trick in 88th minute.
You cheering for the Mexican team?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 01, 2009, 09:10:33 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 01, 2009, 09:07:56 PM

You cheering for the Mexican team?

They weren't playing to my knowledge, so answer is no.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 02, 2009, 03:43:11 AM
Quote from: HVC on April 01, 2009, 07:19:26 PM
Portugal has to win like all their games now. which means that come the WC all the porkchops in Ontario shall proudly be Brazllian lol

Both Denmark and Sweden are known to fuck up everything for themselves. So don't lose your hope.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Delirium on April 02, 2009, 04:36:27 AM
Where are Denmark and Sweden known to fuck up?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 02, 2009, 05:39:09 AM
Quote from: Delirium on April 02, 2009, 04:36:27 AM
Where are Denmark and Sweden known to fuck up?

Football? Or are we discussing something else now? :unsure:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on April 02, 2009, 08:01:32 AM
Wow Mexico got destroyed by Honduras...with two matches to go in qualifying they might not make it without winning a playoff with a South American team.

It is virtually impossible for the US not to qualify after that hat trick by Altidore in that glorious 3-0 trouncing of T&T.  :cool:

We will see you guys in South Africa.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Delirium on April 02, 2009, 08:07:24 AM
Quote from: Liep on April 02, 2009, 05:39:09 AM
Quote from: Delirium on April 02, 2009, 04:36:27 AM
Where are Denmark and Sweden known to fuck up?

Football? Or are we discussing something else now? :unsure:

No, it's football, I'm asking where in the world Denmark and Sweden are known to fuck up? Cause here in Sweden we do not believe we fuck up, as our history of qualifying for championships will tell you.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on April 02, 2009, 08:14:36 AM
By the way I am totally digging the US' new explosive offense.  I hope they keep the 4-4-2.  Two strikers, especially ones as good as Altidore and Ching, really keep the pressure on the other team.  Besides that it makes it alot more fun for me to watch.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 02, 2009, 08:18:35 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 02, 2009, 08:01:32 AM
Wow Mexico got destroyed by Honduras...with two matches to go in qualifying they might not make it without winning a playoff with a South American team.

The Sven Ericksson syndrome. :bowler:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 02, 2009, 08:40:43 AM
Quote from: Delirium on April 02, 2009, 08:07:24 AM

No, it's football, I'm asking where in the world Denmark and Sweden are known to fuck up? Cause here in Sweden we do not believe we fuck up, as our history of qualifying for championships will tell you.

I correct myself then! Denmark alone will fuck up. :P

At least if we begin to believe we'll qualify. If we continue to believe that our team sucks we have a chance.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 02, 2009, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 02, 2009, 08:18:35 AM

The Sven Ericksson syndrome. :bowler:

QuoteMexico coach Sven-Goran Eriksson fired

36 minutes ago


MEXICO CITY (AP)—Mexico soccer coach Sven-Goran Eriksson was fired Thursday, a day after a 3-1 loss to Honduras in a World Cup qualifier.

Eriksson had been the coach for less than a year, but Mexico had just one win in its last seven games.

“We told Mr. Eriksson that his term with the national team has finished,” Justino Compean, president of Mexico’s soccer federation, said at a news conference.

Eriksson, a 61-year-old Swede, is a former England coach and the first foreigner to coach Mexico in 11 years. He was hired in June to replace Mexican star Hugo Sanchez, who was fired after the country’s under-23 team failed to qualify for the Olympics.

Eriksson stirred controversy inside a country fiercely loyal to its national team when he added four naturalized citizens to the roster.

After the announcement, Eriksson wished the team luck and said the country’s patience had run out. He said he, too, was “frustrated by the results” but remained optimistic Mexico would still qualify for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa.

Honduras overtook Mexico in CONCACAF qualifying, jumping from last place to third with four points, one ahead of the Mexicans. The United States leads with seven points, and Costa Rica is second with six.

Possible coaching successors include two Mexicans: former Atletico Madrid coach Javier Aguirre, who left the struggling Spanish club also after a losing streak, and Jose Manuel de la Torre, the coach of Toluca, last year’s Mexican league champion.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 07, 2009, 07:09:58 AM
Wolfsburg v Bayern, amazing goal by Grafite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqGxnRdXnrU
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on April 07, 2009, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Maladict on April 07, 2009, 07:09:58 AM
Wolfsburg v Bayern, amazing goal by Grafite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqGxnRdXnrU
That was awesome.  :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on April 07, 2009, 07:23:04 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 02, 2009, 08:01:32 AM
We will see you guys in South Africa.
Whereupon your support will get them destroyed.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on April 07, 2009, 02:20:55 PM
FC Porto has a guy named Hulk on the team.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on April 07, 2009, 02:45:05 PM
Well, it's a nickname. All Brazilians have them.
Quite a talented player, though. And still fairly young.

He should be partnered with Smash up front.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 07, 2009, 03:41:13 PM
Deserved equaliser from Porto. United never really played any good in this game, and why do they keep playing Park?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on April 07, 2009, 03:43:34 PM
Apparently, they sell a gazillion shirts in Korea because of him.
Park isn't a bad player, he has work ethics and technical ability, but his physique sometimes lets him down as well as his tactical understanding.
Isn't Tosic registered for UEFA CL play?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: I Killed Kenny on April 07, 2009, 04:28:01 PM
Great game...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on April 08, 2009, 02:20:16 AM
It was a fairly good game. Man U really weren't impressive. They might make it through against Porto but I don't think they'll win it this year.
They'll probably still win the Premier League. Liverpool really need to win all their remaining games but as good as they're playing at the moment I don't see that happening unfortunately.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 08, 2009, 08:31:42 AM
I wouldn't rule Man U. out of this yet. They have a nasty habit of winning all the time. i agree, they haven't been on form of late, but I wouldn't rule them out.
Prediction: Away game against Porto will be 0-0, until the final second, when Man Utd will score a cheap goal.

Looking forward to tonight's Chelsea-L'pool game
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on April 08, 2009, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 08, 2009, 08:31:42 AM
I wouldn't rule Man U. out of this yet. They have a nasty habit of winning all the time. i agree, they haven't been on form of late, but I wouldn't rule them out.
Prediction: Away game against Porto will be 0-0, until the final second, when Man Utd will score a cheap goal.

Looking forward to tonight's Chelsea-L'pool game

Apparently Porto hasn't lost any game against English teams in its stadium...

anti- :bowler:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 08, 2009, 03:03:44 PM
Barca is beating Bayern badly!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 08, 2009, 03:08:53 PM
Crap missed 20 mins of the Chelsea-pool game and 2 goals by Chelsea to go up 3-1 :o
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on April 08, 2009, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 08, 2009, 03:03:44 PM
Barca is beating Bayern badly!

So Bayern's only accomplish this season will be trashing my team in the Champions League. Great. :mad:

I'm so adding those fuckers to the LIST.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 08, 2009, 03:22:45 PM
Quote from: clandestino on April 08, 2009, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 08, 2009, 03:03:44 PM
Barca is beating Bayern badly!

So Bayern's only accomplish this season will be trashing my team in the Champions League. Great. :mad:

I'm so adding those fuckers to the LIST.

:console:

I am stuck with my favorite English team playing a team with my last name. I don't know who to root for!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on April 08, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 08, 2009, 03:22:45 PM

:console:

I am stuck with my favorite English team playing a team with my last name. I don't know who to root for!

I can't root for English teams, they don't need any additional help. I'm happy with any Spanish team or Porto victory.

BTW, if my math is right you have a kickass last name. :smoke:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on April 08, 2009, 03:49:59 PM
I am SO HAPPY!

1. Chelsea is two goals ahead

2. Barcelona is as good as through

3. Bayern is utterly humiliated

An evening of CL can't get much better than this! :cheers:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 08, 2009, 07:56:59 PM
Liverpool...  :ultra:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on April 08, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 08, 2009, 03:49:59 PM
1. Chelsea is two goals ahead
You're one of those. :bleeding:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 08, 2009, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 08, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 08, 2009, 03:49:59 PM
1. Chelsea is two goals ahead
You're one of those. :bleeding:
:lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on April 09, 2009, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 08, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 08, 2009, 03:49:59 PM
1. Chelsea is two goals ahead
You're one of those. :bleeding:


WTF are you talking about? I have been a Chelsea fan since like 1998.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on April 14, 2009, 03:34:58 PM
Wow. That was one hell of a game.
Too bad for Liverpool. It was always going to be hard to make up for last week.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on April 14, 2009, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 09, 2009, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 08, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 08, 2009, 03:49:59 PM
1. Chelsea is two goals ahead
You're one of those. :bleeding:
WTF are you talking about? I have been a Chelsea fan since like 1998.
Of course you are.  Every asshole in Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia is a Chelsea fan.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 14, 2009, 07:52:42 PM
Quote from: Cerr on April 14, 2009, 03:34:58 PM
Wow. That was one hell of a game.
Too bad for Liverpool. It was always going to be hard to make up for last week.

I knew it would be a great series. Put up some British, nay, English, teams against each other...never mind that silly Italian shit.

Liverpool always produce exciting games. :bowler:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on April 15, 2009, 02:22:23 AM
Awesome game, I particularly liked the first goal.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 15, 2009, 02:25:33 AM
Very entertaining. I hope Man U's game today is going to get close to that. United must go out offensive in search of a quick goal.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 15, 2009, 03:25:51 AM
Quote from: Liep on April 15, 2009, 02:25:33 AM
Very entertaining. I hope Man U's game today is going to get close to that. United must go out offensive in search of a quick goal.

Yeah we here in States only get that one live, so I miss my Arsenal going vs Villarreal. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on April 15, 2009, 03:58:31 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 15, 2009, 03:25:51 AM
Quote from: Liep on April 15, 2009, 02:25:33 AM
Very entertaining. I hope Man U's game today is going to get close to that. United must go out offensive in search of a quick goal.

Yeah we here in States only get that one live, so I miss my Arsenal going vs Villarreal. :(
You could watch the game online.
There's some sites that do live streaming of games.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 15, 2009, 04:13:42 AM
Quote from: Cerr on April 15, 2009, 03:58:31 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 15, 2009, 03:25:51 AM
Quote from: Liep on April 15, 2009, 02:25:33 AM
Very entertaining. I hope Man U's game today is going to get close to that. United must go out offensive in search of a quick goal.

Yeah we here in States only get that one live, so I miss my Arsenal going vs Villarreal. :(
You could watch the game online.
There's some sites that do live streaming of games.

I believe espn 360 has rights here in states and it's ppv iirc. No i'm not able to get it because of my ISP isn't on ESPN's list <_<
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on April 15, 2009, 04:38:36 AM
Quote from: Tamas on April 09, 2009, 12:24:11 AM

WTF are you talking about? I have been a Chelsea fan since like 1998.

Which just makes it all the much worse.
It should be noted that John Major apparently was a Chelsea fan.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 15, 2009, 05:16:01 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 15, 2009, 03:25:51 AM

Yeah we here in States only get that one live, so I miss my Arsenal going vs Villarreal. :(

We only get Arsenal - Villarreal in HD, the other is in SD with commentators that are more prone to sarcastically insult eachother than follow the game. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 15, 2009, 06:21:16 AM
Quote from: Josephus on April 14, 2009, 07:52:42 PMI knew it would be a great series. Put up some British, nay, English, teams against each other...never mind that silly Italian shit.

That's why, of the 8 goals they scored between the two teams yesterday, only 2 were by an English player (Lampard) while there were 2 by Brazilians (Fabio Aurelio and Alex), and 1 by an Spaniard (Alonso), an Argentinian (Leyva), a Dutchman (Kuyt) and an Ivorian (Drogba).  ;)

And in the previous game, 2 were by a Serbian (Ivanovic), 1 by an Ivorian (Drogba again) and 1 from a Spaniard (Torres).  :lol:

I can't see much Englishness in there.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 15, 2009, 07:12:13 AM
What he actually said was that he didn't think Inter vs. Roma would be such an entertaining game series, which I agree with. :p
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 15, 2009, 08:15:35 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 15, 2009, 06:21:16 AM
Quote from: Josephus on April 14, 2009, 07:52:42 PMI knew it would be a great series. Put up some British, nay, English, teams against each other...never mind that silly Italian shit.

That's why, of the 8 goals they scored between the two teams yesterday, only 2 were by an English player (Lampard) while there were 2 by Brazilians (Fabio Aurelio and Alex), and 1 by an Spaniard (Alonso), an Argentinian (Leyva), a Dutchman (Kuyt) and an Ivorian (Drogba).  ;)

And in the previous game, 2 were by a Serbian (Ivanovic), 1 by an Ivorian (Drogba again) and 1 from a Spaniard (Torres).  :lol:

I can't see much Englishness in there.  :P

Fair enough. Which is why England, as a football nation team, sucks.

My point though, is that the English league, despite the foreigners, is the best league in the World.  :bowler:

EDIT: Yeah...what Liep said. :hug:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 15, 2009, 09:44:45 AM
Quote from: Josephus on April 15, 2009, 08:15:35 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 15, 2009, 06:21:16 AM
Quote from: Josephus on April 14, 2009, 07:52:42 PMI knew it would be a great series. Put up some British, nay, English, teams against each other...never mind that silly Italian shit.

That's why, of the 8 goals they scored between the two teams yesterday, only 2 were by an English player (Lampard) while there were 2 by Brazilians (Fabio Aurelio and Alex), and 1 by an Spaniard (Alonso), an Argentinian (Leyva), a Dutchman (Kuyt) and an Ivorian (Drogba).  ;)

And in the previous game, 2 were by a Serbian (Ivanovic), 1 by an Ivorian (Drogba again) and 1 from a Spaniard (Torres).  :lol:

I can't see much Englishness in there.  :P

Fair enough. Which is why England, as a football nation team, sucks.

My point though, is that the English league, despite the foreigners, is the best league in the World.  :bowler:

EDIT: Yeah...what Liep said. :hug:

Gotcha.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on April 15, 2009, 09:52:45 AM
Quote from: Josephus on April 15, 2009, 08:15:35 AM
Fair enough. Which is why England, as a football nation team, sucks.

Hey!  Alot of the players on the Austin club are English! :grr:

Oh wait...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 15, 2009, 05:54:51 PM
Hmm.. what a let down, a pity manchester got such an early goal and decided that was enough.

The Arsenal game didn't get interesting until about the 82nd minute when Bendtner came on, he did okay and would've scored if Diaby hadn't already seen himself on the scoreboard before taking his shot.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 15, 2009, 06:37:58 PM
Didn't watch the Arsenal game; but yeah the Man Utd game wasn't a barn-burner. [Though that was a good goal by Ronaldo]. Porto couldn't break down the Man Utd defence, and the few times they did, their finish let them down.

But that's OK, cause the Man Utd v. Arsenal game is another EPL Team v. EPL Team game :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on May 06, 2009, 02:12:19 PM
Chelsea is up 1-0 so far on barca
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on May 06, 2009, 03:09:23 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 06, 2009, 02:12:19 PM
Chelsea is up 1-0 so far on barca

:bleeding:

Football needs Barça in the final. That's all.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on May 06, 2009, 03:43:00 PM
It's over now. Great late goal for Barca. Glad they'll be in the final. They have a better chance against United then Chelsea would have.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on May 06, 2009, 03:45:05 PM
I've never been happier for Iniesta. And I was pretty excited for him to begin with. Football wins this game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on May 06, 2009, 03:46:38 PM
Chelsea are really sore losers. Drogba was moaning at the ref at the end.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on May 06, 2009, 03:49:00 PM
Quote from: Cerr on May 06, 2009, 03:46:38 PM
Chelsea are really sore losers. Drogba was moaning at the ref at the end.

Drogba is everything that is wrong with Chelsea. But Ballack came close when he attacked the referee after that shoulder parry by a Barca player. Come to think of it there are quite a few Chelsea players I would love to see disappear from professional football.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on May 06, 2009, 04:25:34 PM
What the flying fuck.

Chelsea DOMINATED Barcelona tactically for two games. They neutralized all the advantages the enemy had, and ruined all their plans - showing what a genius general Hiddink is.

Then comes this fucking joke of a referee who denies app. 3 penalties for Chelsea, and thus allows Barca to stay in the game and equalize with THEIR ONLY FUCKING SHOT WHICH WENT TO THE FUCKING GOAL'S GENERAL DIRECTION

A most undeserved qualification.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on May 06, 2009, 04:41:10 PM
yay.

Tamas:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F720lignes.blog.lemonde.fr%2Ffiles%2F2009%2F04%2Fcalimero.1239543982.gif&hash=008241ac6cc27ab8dc4479f1eb32b0590ad214eb)





:p

Edit: I haven't seen the game. the things you said might be true.

Personally, I don't care.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on May 06, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
Quote from: clandestino on May 06, 2009, 04:41:10 PM

Edit: I haven't seen the game. the things you said might be true.

1 clear penalty (very odd that it wasn't called), 1 argueable, 1 where Drogba should've been carded for filming. 2 others that were just good defensing by Tauré.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on May 06, 2009, 04:53:57 PM
Bravo for Barca
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on May 06, 2009, 05:54:05 PM
Quote from: Cerr on May 06, 2009, 03:46:38 PM
Chelsea are really sore losers. Drogba was moaning at the ref at the end.
Maybe he should try diving again.  He was fucking ridiculous today.

At any rate, this is a big fuck you to bandwagoners and Eastern Europeans, which is good.  It'll be a shame that the best teams aren't playing in the final (Barca isn't in the EPL), but it's worth it to eject Chelsea.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on May 06, 2009, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 06, 2009, 05:54:05 PMIt'll be a shame that the best teams aren't playing in the final

This makes no sense. This is the final everybody dreamt of before hand.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on May 06, 2009, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: Liep on May 06, 2009, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 06, 2009, 05:54:05 PMIt'll be a shame that the best teams aren't playing in the final

This makes no sense. This is the final everybody dreamt of before hand.
The best possible final would be between two English Premier League teams, because those teams are the best.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on May 06, 2009, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: Liep on May 06, 2009, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 06, 2009, 05:54:05 PMIt'll be a shame that the best teams aren't playing in the final

This makes no sense. This is the final everybody dreamt of before hand.
Well I would've preferred a Liverpool Vs Man U or Liverpool Vs Barca final. Maybe next year.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on May 08, 2009, 05:28:12 AM
Damn my favorite MLS club Seattle has announced the 2nd of 2 friendlys they are hosting the summer, first one is Chelsea and 2nd was revealed today to be Barcelona.

Wish i could make them
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Delirium on May 08, 2009, 06:01:39 AM
Quote from: Neil on May 06, 2009, 06:03:04 PM
The best possible final would be between two English Premier League teams, because those teams are the best.

Now you've gone mental. Barcelona is a better team than Chelsea ever was. A ManU - Barca final is the dream matchup for everybody but the Chelsea fans. And we don't care about those.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on May 08, 2009, 07:51:17 AM
Quote from: Tamas on May 06, 2009, 04:25:34 PM
What the flying fuck.

Chelsea DOMINATED Barcelona tactically for two games. They neutralized all the advantages the enemy had, and ruined all their plans - showing what a genius general Hiddink is.

Then comes this fucking joke of a referee who denies app. 3 penalties for Chelsea, and thus allows Barca to stay in the game and equalize with THEIR ONLY FUCKING SHOT WHICH WENT TO THE FUCKING GOAL'S GENERAL DIRECTION

A most undeserved qualification.

:yes:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on May 08, 2009, 07:58:34 AM
Haha, no way Barca were a better team than Chelsea. Passing the ball the whole game with barely any shots on goal, and only going through because of questionable refereeing, does not a superior performance make. While attacking football is attractive, it is not the only legitimate way to win a game.

I predict ManUre will rip Barca to shreds - you have one of the most effective defences in the Premiership with one of hte most frightening attacks in the world. And a midfield that will squash Messi.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on May 08, 2009, 10:02:17 AM
Seattle got off to a pretty good start Katmai. Glad the franchise is working there.
I've been to three TFC games this year. It's such a blast.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on May 08, 2009, 10:15:42 AM
Quote from: Delirium on May 08, 2009, 06:01:39 AM
Quote from: Neil on May 06, 2009, 06:03:04 PM
The best possible final would be between two English Premier League teams, because those teams are the best.

Now you've gone mental. Barcelona is a better team than Chelsea ever was. A ManU - Barca final is the dream matchup for everybody but the Chelsea fans. And we don't care about those.
They certainly weren't the better team this week.  They were barely equal.

The only reason that it's a dream matchup is because everybody, myself included, want to give the finger to the Chelsea fans, as they're a bunch of bandwagoners and Slavs.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on May 08, 2009, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: Warspite on May 08, 2009, 07:58:34 AM
and only going through because of questionable refereeing,
Consider it a makeup for that phantom red card.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on May 08, 2009, 10:19:08 AM
The mighty Austin Soccer club has never lost a match.  Tonight they take on the Puerto Rico Fightin' Timmays in Austin.

Dang it I can never make any of the matches.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on May 26, 2009, 08:08:26 AM
So, tomorrow is the big day of the year for us footie fans, the Champions League final, pitting the incumbent champions, Manchester United, agains FC Barcelona, arguably the team that has played better this year. The best defence meets the best offence. What will happen?

I'll watch it live at home with my buddies. Tomorrow I'll have to buy supplies in large quantities after work. My friends even convinced me to make a wager, if Barcelona wins I'll shave my beard, which I've been sporting since I was 15.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on May 26, 2009, 08:14:12 AM
I'll be at work. :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on May 26, 2009, 08:26:30 AM
In a surprise move, Volkswagen (yes, the car maker) won the German football championship.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on May 26, 2009, 08:36:50 AM
Well I am depressed.  Austin's once unfettered glory has been tarnished by losses to Montreal and Carolina.

I can only pray they can rebound against the Fightin' Timmays on Friday.  I love the crowds at the games so far.  Very passionate and noisy group if still pretty smallish.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on May 27, 2009, 01:15:20 PM
I switched shifts with a coworker and am now able to watch the game of the year. :ccr:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on May 27, 2009, 01:53:03 PM
Quote from: Liep on May 27, 2009, 01:15:20 PM
I switched shifts with a coworker and am now able to watch the game of the year. :ccr:
I doubt it'll be the game of the year. Finals hardly ever live up to expectations.
Anyway I hope Barca win tonight.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on May 27, 2009, 01:58:52 PM
I predict that this is good for the game. Go Barca!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on May 27, 2009, 01:59:45 PM
Eto just scored for Barca.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on May 27, 2009, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: Liep on May 27, 2009, 01:58:52 PM
I predict that this is good for the game. Go Barca!
Yeah hopefully man u will commit more men forward and Barca can score on the counter attack.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on May 27, 2009, 03:18:54 PM
Go Barca!

Full offense by Manchester and we'll get a fun ending.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on May 27, 2009, 03:40:16 PM
Yay Barca!

Messi, Iniesta and Xavi were brilliant today.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on May 27, 2009, 04:05:17 PM
YAAAAY.

anybody but Manchester!!!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 27, 2009, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 26, 2009, 08:36:50 AM

I can only pray they can rebound against the Fightin' Timmays on Friday. 
:huh:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sophie Scholl on May 27, 2009, 06:06:24 PM
Quote from: Josephus on May 27, 2009, 04:05:17 PM
YAAAAY.

anybody but Manchester!!!
:thumbsup: That was the going vibe in the bar I work at today while we watched.  There was one girl there who was a Man U fan because "Cristiano Ronaldo is so hott!".  Ugh.  Needless to say she was verbally abused.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on May 27, 2009, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 27, 2009, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 26, 2009, 08:36:50 AM

I can only pray they can rebound against the Fightin' Timmays on Friday. 
:huh:

Austin plays Puerto Rico next
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on May 27, 2009, 06:25:53 PM
Newcastle down. My schaenfreude is immense.
Epic
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 27, 2009, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 27, 2009, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 27, 2009, 06:00:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 26, 2009, 08:36:50 AM

I can only pray they can rebound against the Fightin' Timmays on Friday. 
:huh:

Austin plays Puerto Rico next
When the game is done Austin will look like a gazelle torn to pieces by a pack of wild dogs.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pedrito on June 01, 2009, 04:58:52 AM
Yesterday three great players retired from active football:
Paolo Maldini, Luis Figo and Pavel Nedved were not only excellent players, but great men outside the pitch, too.
Figo and Nedved won the European Footballer of the Year award, and Maldini deserved it but defenders usually get no love in those competitions :(


:worthy: Maldini
:worthy: Nedved
:worthy: Figo

L.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on June 01, 2009, 05:46:25 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 01, 2009, 04:58:52 AM
Yesterday three great players retired from active football:
Paolo Maldini, Luis Figo and Pavel Nedved were not only excellent players, but great men outside the pitch, too.
Figo and Nedved won the European Footballer of the Year award, and Maldini deserved it but defenders usually get no love in those competitions :(


:worthy: Maldini
:worthy: Nedved
:worthy: Figo

L.

Figo, a great person outside the field? No way, the guy had no loyalty whatsoever (a 1 in most CM and FM versions, IIRC) to the clubs he was related to, he was a true mercenary of sport. Surely he was a great player, but not a great person. Don't know enough of the others' lives in order to qualify, although Maldini has always seemed upstanding to me, specially in his opposition to ultras.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on June 01, 2009, 06:19:25 AM
Yeah, Figo not only was a merc (which ain't that much of a problem except for pinky-fogged fans of the sport), he was a downright traitor. You just don't go from noble Barcelona to scum Real Madrid if you have just a tiny bit of backbone.
And I never liked Nedved, altough clearly both him and Figo were excellent in their primes.



But Maldini was indeed a great player, European football is a lesser thing without him.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Hansmeister on June 01, 2009, 06:35:03 AM
Nuremberg is back up into the 1. Bundesliga!   :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on June 01, 2009, 07:00:01 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 01, 2009, 06:19:25 AMYou just don't go from noble Barcelona to scum Real Madrid if you have just a tiny bit of backbone.

Meh, that doesn't bother me much, it was a legal move, if morally dubious, and Barcelona earned a shitload of money from it, even if they obviously didn't want to sell him. But Figo, before going to Spain, signed two simultaneous contracts to two different Italian clubs (Juventus and Parma), which earned him a transfer ban in Italy. That was the only reason he ended up in Barcelona in the first place.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 01, 2009, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 27, 2009, 06:31:42 PM
When the game is done Austin will look like a gazelle torn to pieces by a pack of wild dogs.

http://www.austinaztex.com/news/headlines/index.html?article_id=81

:nelson
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pedrito on June 01, 2009, 08:18:48 AM
yeah, dubbing Figo a great person was a bit stretched.  ;) but he was a great player nonetheless, and the game will be poorer without him.

In other news, Ancelotti, former Milan manager, has signed a contract with Chelsea. I heard his first interview, and his english needs a good polish. As in "he can't speak a word"  :lol:

L.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on June 01, 2009, 08:46:52 AM
By the way, do you know where can I find an interview with Nedved in which he claimed that he was "running around like a retard just to play in Serie B"?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pedrito on June 01, 2009, 08:52:37 AM
Quote from: The Larch on June 01, 2009, 08:46:52 AM
By the way, do you know where can I find an interview with Nedved in which he claimed that he remembers Juve's spell in Serie B as "running around like a retard"?

Never heard that one  :lol:
He was one of the prime star players that remained to Juventus during the Serie B purgatory, hats off to him and the others (Del Piero, Buffon, Camoranesi, Trezeguet).

L.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on June 01, 2009, 09:17:34 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 01, 2009, 08:52:37 AM
Quote from: The Larch on June 01, 2009, 08:46:52 AM
By the way, do you know where can I find an interview with Nedved in which he claimed that he remembers Juve's spell in Serie B as "running around like a retard"?

Never heard that one  :lol:
He was one of the prime star players that remained to Juventus during the Serie B purgatory, hats off to him and the others (Del Piero, Buffon, Camoranesi, Trezeguet).

L.

I guess that Cannavaro, Ibrahimovic and Vieira must have been quite popular in Torino those days.  :P Well, apparently Cannavaro has been forgiven, as he's going back.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on June 06, 2009, 02:59:15 AM
Tonight's the night. Sweden - Denmark, battle of Scandinavia. We're going completely nuts on this side of the sund with politicians in uproar because it's not shown on national tv, I can't complain as I got it in HD, thanks Bogh.

I foresee a 1-1 game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on June 06, 2009, 03:07:16 AM
Maldini was one of the greatest players of the game ever.  :worthy:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on June 06, 2009, 09:39:03 AM
Battle in the balkans this evening for Ireland, playing against Bulgaria. Would be great if they could win. It would pretty much gurantee second place in the group for Ireland.
Knowing Ireland's away record though, it'll most likely end in a draw.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Syt on June 06, 2009, 10:12:57 AM
Austria playing in Belgrade today. AFAIK no archdukes will be present.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on June 06, 2009, 02:59:20 PM
WOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: bogh on June 06, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
Quote from: Liep on June 06, 2009, 02:59:15 AM
Tonight's the night. Sweden - Denmark, battle of Scandinavia. We're going completely nuts on this side of the sund with politicians in uproar because it's not shown on national tv, I can't complain as I got it in HD, thanks Bogh.

I foresee a 1-1 game.

You're welcome - how was the quality (I didn't have any HD-screen to view it)?

Your prediction was almost correct.

Denmark rules.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on June 06, 2009, 05:11:16 PM
Excellent we lost again. The fiasco is coming closer finally.  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on June 06, 2009, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: bogh on June 06, 2009, 03:56:20 PM

You're welcome - how was the quality (I didn't have any HD-screen to view it)?

Your prediction was almost correct.

Denmark rules.

Very enjoyable. National team matches are usually crap quality, so this was nice.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on June 06, 2009, 08:14:49 PM
I hope we loose every single game we have left too. I´ll be cheering them all the way down. With these fucktards in charge its even possible to loose against Malta.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 06, 2009, 09:12:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 01, 2009, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 27, 2009, 06:31:42 PM
When the game is done Austin will look like a gazelle torn to pieces by a pack of wild dogs.

http://www.austinaztex.com/news/headlines/index.html?article_id=81

:nelson
:mad:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on June 07, 2009, 05:45:17 AM
Unsurprisingly, Norway bored the descendants of Alexander the Mediocre to 0-0 draw in Skopje, FUCK Macedonia.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on June 07, 2009, 09:34:57 AM
Norway is pathetic  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on June 07, 2009, 09:43:07 AM
Pretty much, yes.

Which would be fine if there was a huge undergrowth of exciting talent on the U19s and U21s, but from what I've seen, the domestic footballing talent is at the lowest ebb since the 1970s.
The TV deals for the clubs in the first tier have given them money to buy mediocrity from all around the world, and then promptly shove all their younger developing players into the third tier teams, hampering their development and frustrating them by making it impossible to actually be a full-time player.

The present is bleak - the future is downright terrible. I hope the Mayans are right. If not, the next Euro/WC qualifiers will force me to change citizenship.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on June 07, 2009, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: Cecil on June 06, 2009, 08:14:49 PM
I hope we loose every single game we have left too. I´ll be cheering them all the way down. With these fucktards in charge its even possible to loose against Malta.  :lol:

Hope so.  :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on June 11, 2009, 07:48:21 PM
So what's up with Real Madrid? €80mill for Kaka, €100mill for Ronaldo, and supposedly there's more transfers on the way.

They're still not going to win anything.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 08:20:02 PM
Quote from: Norgy on June 07, 2009, 09:43:07 AM
Pretty much, yes.

Which would be fine if there was a huge undergrowth of exciting talent on the U19s and U21s, but from what I've seen, the domestic footballing talent is at the lowest ebb since the 1970s.
The TV deals for the clubs in the first tier have given them money to buy mediocrity from all around the world, and then promptly shove all their younger developing players into the third tier teams, hampering their development and frustrating them by making it impossible to actually be a full-time player.

The present is bleak - the future is downright terrible. I hope the Mayans are right. If not, the next Euro/WC qualifiers will force me to change citizenship.

Zombie Rune Bratseth.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on June 15, 2009, 03:00:36 PM
Anyone else watching the Confederations Cup?
Watched it for the first time today. Brazil barely beat Egypt 4-3.

At the moment Italy are beating USA 2-1.

It hasn't been a bad tournament so far.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 03:24:55 PM
The USA lost 3-1.  :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on June 15, 2009, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 03:24:55 PM
The USA lost 3-1.  :(

Well, the other guys were Italy, not Portugal, what were you expecting? :P

BTW, the last gossip here is that Real Madrid will buy Sporting's captain João Moutinho for 24 Million €.

IMO our season will be ruined if that happens.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on June 15, 2009, 03:41:23 PM
Quote from: clandestino on June 15, 2009, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 03:24:55 PM
The USA lost 3-1.  :(

Well, the other guys were Italy, not Portugal, what were you expecting? :P

BTW, the last gossip here is that Real Madrid will buy Sporting's captain João Moutinho for 24 Million €.

IMO our season will be ruined if that happens.
Real's buying up all the porkchops lol
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 03:49:31 PM
Quote from: clandestino on June 15, 2009, 03:32:07 PM
Well, the other guys were Italy, not Portugal, what were you expecting? :P

It was only because of that stupid Red Card in the 36th minute.  Italy-referee conspiracy!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 15, 2009, 03:51:47 PM
Quote from: Cerr on June 15, 2009, 03:00:36 PM
Anyone else watching the Confederations Cup?
Fodbol doesn't have nearly enough cups, there should be many more.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on June 15, 2009, 04:10:34 PM
Quote from: Cerr on June 15, 2009, 03:00:36 PMIt hasn't been a bad tournament so far.

Kidding? Yesterday's games were a joke, the South Africa - Irak was a snorefest, and the Spain - New Zealand a training season with an audience.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on June 15, 2009, 04:24:22 PM
Quote from: The Larch on June 15, 2009, 04:10:34 PM
Quote from: Cerr on June 15, 2009, 03:00:36 PMIt hasn't been a bad tournament so far.

Kidding? Yesterday's games were a joke, the South Africa - Irak was a snorefest, and the Spain - New Zealand a training season with an audience.
I didn't see the games yesterday. I avoided them because all the group A teams except Spain are terrible. I didn't have high expectations for the tournament so I was pleasantly surprised by todays games.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on June 15, 2009, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 03:24:55 PM
The USA lost 3-1.  :(

How ironic is it that Rossi, who scored two for Italy, is actually from NJ?  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sophie Scholl on June 15, 2009, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 03:49:31 PM
It was only because of that stupid Red Card in the 36th minute.  Italy-referee conspiracy!
:yes: It was a boneheaded kick to the shin, but far from red card worthy.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 16, 2009, 07:53:00 AM
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on June 15, 2009, 08:38:52 PM
:yes: It was a boneheaded kick to the shin, but far from red card worthy.

After we had played so well in the first half to.  Very very frustrating way to lose it.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 16, 2009, 07:53:36 AM
Quote from: The Larch on June 15, 2009, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 03:24:55 PM
The USA lost 3-1.  :(

How ironic is it that Rossi, who scored two for Italy, is actually from NJ?  :lol:

Rossi should be shot for treason. :angry:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 22, 2009, 09:46:08 AM
Ok after losing 3-0 to Brazil I give up only for the US to come back and smash Egypt and advance to the next round.

I think I will refuse to watch the rest of the tournament and see if my not following the team continues to bring them good luck.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on June 22, 2009, 11:17:52 AM
Their next game is against Spain, which is arguably the best team in the world right now and hasn't been beaten in the last three years or so. Don't get your hopes up for that Valmy. ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 22, 2009, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: Zanza on June 22, 2009, 11:17:52 AM
Their next game is against Spain, which is arguably the best team in the world right now and hasn't been beaten in the last three years or so. Don't get your hopes up for that Valmy. ;)

Go Spain!!!111oneone

Viva Espana!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 22, 2009, 11:26:30 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2009, 11:18:18 AM
Quote from: Zanza on June 22, 2009, 11:17:52 AM
Their next game is against Spain, which is arguably the best team in the world right now and hasn't been beaten in the last three years or so. Don't get your hopes up for that Valmy. ;)

Go Spain!!!111oneone

Viva Espana!
I don't think reverse psychology works like that when it's so obvious. :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 22, 2009, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 22, 2009, 11:26:30 AM
I don't think reverse psychology works like that when it's so obvious. :lol:

I cannot see your post when I am surrounded by all the Spanish flags I am proudly waving.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on June 22, 2009, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2009, 11:28:03 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 22, 2009, 11:26:30 AM
I don't think reverse psychology works like that when it's so obvious. :lol:

I cannot see your post when I am surrounded by all the Spanish flags I am proudly waving.

Eating tortilla and drinking sangría simultaneously, right?  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 22, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
Quote from: The Larch on June 22, 2009, 11:29:15 AM
Eating tortilla and drinking sangría simultaneously, right?  :P

While humming 'La Marcha Real'.  I will make Chorizo for the second half.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Saladin on June 24, 2009, 02:58:58 AM


Went to the U-21 game yesterday between Sweden-Serbia..
Good game! Sweden won 3-1 and it took the Serbians crowd 65 minutes until they
started with the Kosovo chants..
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on June 24, 2009, 03:27:12 AM
Quote from: Saladin on June 24, 2009, 02:58:58 AM


Went to the U-21 game yesterday between Sweden-Serbia..
Good game! Sweden won 3-1 and it took the Serbians crowd 65 minutes until they
started with the Kosovo chants..

During the first A-group hockey world cup game of Hungary in Switzerland recently, the loudest part of the Hungarian crowd was busy crying about Trianon during most of the game.
These people's view about the foreign world is so disorted its not even funny.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alatriste on June 24, 2009, 04:58:39 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
Quote from: The Larch on June 22, 2009, 11:29:15 AM
Eating tortilla and drinking sangría simultaneously, right?  :P

While humming 'La Marcha Real'.  I will make Chorizo for the second half.

Try to get the Royal Guard version, executed with XVIII century fife & drum. That's how the 'Marcha Real' was supposed to sound, 1000 times better than modern arragements. At least your evil witchcraft will have a touch of class ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Octavian on June 24, 2009, 05:12:05 AM
Dear Lord!

Please let the Americans win. Just think how funny it would be to hear the lamentations of the Spanish afterwards.

Best regards!

Your friend and supporter Octavian

PS You rock!



Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alatriste on June 24, 2009, 06:11:16 AM
Quote from: Octavian on June 24, 2009, 05:12:05 AM
Dear Lord!

Please let the Americans win. Just think how funny it would be to hear the lamentations of the Spanish afterwards.

Best regards!

Your friend and supporter Octavian

PS You rock!

Ah, thou marble-hearted fiend, how unjust can you get? Have you ever seen us boasting and feasting because of our team wins? Blasts and fogs upon thee!  Hear me, Nature!

P.S. Who rocks? The Americans, the Spaniards, or the Valkyrs, that award victory? Were you addressing them in 'Please let the Americans win'? I'm afraid your intention is not at all clear...   :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Viking on June 24, 2009, 06:41:41 AM
Quote from: Norgy on June 07, 2009, 09:43:07 AM
Pretty much, yes.

Which would be fine if there was a huge undergrowth of exciting talent on the U19s and U21s, but from what I've seen, the domestic footballing talent is at the lowest ebb since the 1970s.
The TV deals for the clubs in the first tier have given them money to buy mediocrity from all around the world, and then promptly shove all their younger developing players into the third tier teams, hampering their development and frustrating them by making it impossible to actually be a full-time player.

The present is bleak - the future is downright terrible. I hope the Mayans are right. If not, the next Euro/WC qualifiers will force me to change citizenship.

This is correct with the exception of one club. Untill last week (when he quit) there was only one full time scout working for a norwegian club. It seems that the best norwegian talent is found by foreign clubs, they are going abroad younger and younger. Players like Magnus Eikrem, Joshua King, Dag Alexander Olsen and Jo Inge Berget are on the junior squads of top English, Spanish and Italian clubs. These players will not be coming through the ranks of norwegian clubs.

Now, for norwegian clubs it is a better, cheaper and quicker option to buy a guy like Martin Fillo or Marek Sapara, or even useless idiot like Luton Shelton, than it is to try to develop a youngster like Per Skjelbred from the age of 16. In effect Norwegian football (like English, Spanish and Italian) has more money than local talent, so naturally there will be lots of player imports. That combined with a good quality foreign scouting network in norway means that young players go abroad or get sidelined by imported players.

The one club which has made efforts to develop youngsters is by far the richest in the country and already has 12 foreign players on contract where only 11 can be played, but then again only two of the norwegian players in the squad are not locally developed.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 24, 2009, 08:09:34 AM
Man I cannot wait to see my favorite and beloved Spanish crush those upstarts from yanqui pigdogland today.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on June 24, 2009, 02:34:21 PM
Valmy's taint is strong. Let's see if it holds another half-time. It would be Spain's first loss since November 2006.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on June 24, 2009, 03:00:29 PM
lol Valmy still works
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on June 24, 2009, 03:01:10 PM
USA just scored again. Looks like the European champions are going out.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 24, 2009, 03:05:00 PM
Come on Spain you can still do this!  BEAT THOSE YANKEE FUCKERS!!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on June 24, 2009, 03:07:55 PM
That constant noise from the crowd sure is annoying. Yes I'm watching soccer.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on June 24, 2009, 03:10:49 PM
When's the final for this tournament?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 24, 2009, 03:14:24 PM
Quote from: Cerr on June 24, 2009, 03:10:49 PM
When's the final for this tournament?

Sunday
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on June 24, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 24, 2009, 03:07:55 PM
That constant noise from the crowd sure is annoying. Yes I'm watching soccer.

Yes, it will drive me mad next year
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 24, 2009, 03:17:09 PM
That brutal brutal man Michael Bradley was justly sent off for trying to kill one of my beloved Spanish heroes.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on June 24, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: Tamas on June 24, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 24, 2009, 03:07:55 PM
That constant noise from the crowd sure is annoying. Yes I'm watching soccer.
Yes, it will drive me mad next year
There's some talk of banning those horns from the world cup games next year. Hopefully it'll happen, they're really irritating.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 24, 2009, 03:22:51 PM
Now my only hope is that South Africa or Brazil can stop the American menace  :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on June 24, 2009, 03:23:02 PM
Fair play to the Americans.
I would've preferred a Spain-Brazil final though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 24, 2009, 03:24:13 PM
Quote from: Cerr on June 24, 2009, 03:23:02 PM
Fair play to the Americans.
I would've preferred a Spain-Brazil final though.

:weep: Me to.

Rascally American hobbitses.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2009, 03:32:33 PM
USA! USA! :yeah:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on June 24, 2009, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: me at P'dox
Inspired match on the US side, pretty flat on the Spanish. Good coaching on the US side, terrible on the Spanish (but then Del Bosque has never been a good coach). Horrendous refereeing (though at least it was not biased).

Nice to see the US improving tactically. I liked especially that black central defender. Donovan OTOH faked an aggression twice which was shameful and pretty stupid while carded.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on June 24, 2009, 03:41:20 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2009, 03:32:33 PM
USA! USA! :yeah:

Tainted for the final.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on June 24, 2009, 04:13:28 PM
The Valmy taint is almighty.  -_-
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on June 24, 2009, 04:13:37 PM
Valmy taint fu is stronger than Ortiz Taint!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on June 24, 2009, 04:16:30 PM
Quote from: Cerr on June 24, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: Tamas on June 24, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 24, 2009, 03:07:55 PM
That constant noise from the crowd sure is annoying. Yes I'm watching soccer.
Yes, it will drive me mad next year
There's some talk of banning those horns from the world cup games next year. Hopefully it'll happen, they're really irritating.

Apparently, it's an essential part of the South African experience (TM), or some crap like that.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on June 24, 2009, 04:18:25 PM
Congrats to the yanqui pigdogs, the team seems to have improved a lot in the last few years, and now you have a good batch of talented players. Tactically brilliant game by the US team, great defending and ruthless efficiency when attacking.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: lustindarkness on June 24, 2009, 04:25:28 PM
Just read an AP headline that has to be some error, said that USA won over Spain 2-0?! Unpossible!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on June 24, 2009, 04:40:56 PM
Valmy is remarkable...seriously.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on June 24, 2009, 06:06:15 PM
Quote from: PDH on June 24, 2009, 04:40:56 PM
Valmy is remarkable...seriously.
I don't think we yet know the full extent of this power. Has Valmy recently cheered for Mousavi?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Octavian on June 25, 2009, 03:42:16 AM
Quote from: Octavian on June 24, 2009, 05:12:05 AM
Dear Lord!

Please let the Americans win. Just think how funny it would be to hear the lamentations of the Spanish afterwards.

Best regards!

Your friend and supporter Octavian

PS You rock!

Thank you Lord!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Viking on June 25, 2009, 04:34:18 AM
hmm does valmy have to specify who should lose, or can he just root for "anybody but me to win the lottery" ?

because this might be a moneymaking opportunity for him...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on June 25, 2009, 04:35:36 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 25, 2009, 04:34:18 AM
hmm does valmy have to specify who should lose, or can he just root for "anybody but me to win the lottery" ?

because this might be a moneymaking opportunity for him...

Specify sadly
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alatriste on June 28, 2009, 01:54:15 PM
USA has scored the first goal! USA, USA! :D

And I'm 100% serious. I far prefer America to win, because should Brazil win... let's say 3-0, then the obvious conclusion is Brazil would have beaten Spain 5-0, right?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on June 28, 2009, 02:17:11 PM
Outstanding counterattack by US. 2 - 0
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: lustindarkness on June 28, 2009, 03:03:41 PM
Brazil just tied it at 2-2 <_<
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on June 28, 2009, 03:04:11 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 28, 2009, 03:03:41 PM
Brazil just tied it at 2-2 <_<

Tim caused that.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on June 28, 2009, 03:08:34 PM
And back down to earth they go.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: lustindarkness on June 28, 2009, 03:13:16 PM
fuck
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 29, 2009, 08:47:18 AM
Slowly recovering from my intense depression.

Damn so fucking close to actually winning something on the world stage.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 29, 2009, 08:48:23 AM
Quote from: katmai on June 25, 2009, 04:35:36 AM
Specify sadly

It has failed twice in championship matches...first the Euro now this.

I am not sure how to factor this into my taint-fu.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on June 29, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2009, 08:47:18 AM
Damn so fucking close to actually winning something on the world stage.

:huh:

'Something on the world stage' means EC, WC or Champion's League. Certainly not this cup. So cheer up, my friend.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on June 29, 2009, 09:03:41 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on June 29, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2009, 08:47:18 AM
Damn so fucking close to actually winning something on the world stage.

:huh:

'Something on the world stage' means EC, WC or Champion's League. Certainly not this cup. So cheer up, my friend.

Come on, for the 'States it would have been quite something, especially beatint teams like Spain and Brazil
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 29, 2009, 09:23:43 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on June 29, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2009, 08:47:18 AM
Damn so fucking close to actually winning something on the world stage.

:huh:

'Something on the world stage' means EC, WC or Champion's League. Certainly not this cup. So cheer up, my friend.

Yeah the United States is really going to be competing for the Champion's League or the European Championship. :lol:

The only thing bigger than this would have been the World Cup itself.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 29, 2009, 09:25:23 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 29, 2009, 09:03:41 AM
Come on, for the 'States it would have been quite something, especially beatint teams like Spain and Brazil

Brazil seemed pretty happy about winning it, jumping around and cheering.

Anything that makes Brazil that happy has to be pretty good.

And besides how many major tournaments do we play in besides the WC?  This is pretty much it.  Coming out on top in CONCACAF is just what we are expected to do (or at least be 2nd to Mexico on a bad day).

Well I guess the Gold Cup and Copa America are nice (especially winning the latter, beating the South American teams on their home turf would be huge) but, you know, it isn't a real tournament unless the Euros are there.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 29, 2009, 09:30:13 AM
By the way I love how Altidore scores goals but it seems like he underachieves on things unrelated to goal scoring.  He gives the ball up all the freaking time.  A guy with his talent should be better I think.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on June 29, 2009, 10:55:46 AM
Should have been 4-2, but nice game by the Americans.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 29, 2009, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: HVC on June 29, 2009, 10:55:46 AM
Should have been 4-2, but nice game by the Americans.

It still would have been 3-2.  If that goal had counted the Brazilians would have gone defensive after scoring the third goal.

I am glad that missed call did not end up deciding the game in any way.  That would have tainted it if we had somehow pulled it out after that.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Syt on July 04, 2009, 02:33:30 AM
I'm shocked to see that Alexi Lalas has transformed from this:

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into this:

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Grunge and Generation X are truly dead now. :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on July 04, 2009, 05:22:06 AM
Forest have signed three new players!  :bowler:

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on July 04, 2009, 11:26:54 AM
Quote from: Norgy on July 04, 2009, 05:22:06 AM
Forest have signed three new players!  :bowler:

They will be playing Sporting this pre-season in Algarve. I expect nothing more than a trashing, but it will be fun playing against an historical team. :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on August 12, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
Denmark - Chile friendly match. By god those little Chileans are fast.

2x Poulsen and Kjær are playing acceptable atm. What the hell is Michael Jacobsen doing on that left back? AaB was two years ago, it's time to purge the national team of those north Jutlanders.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: stjaba on August 12, 2009, 02:23:17 PM
US plays Mexico in about an hour. Coincidentally, I am scheduled to go into at work at 4:00 PM.  :mad:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on August 12, 2009, 02:25:17 PM
Yay. Germany won against Azerbaidjan (or however they are spelled). The only game that really matters is of course the game against Russia.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on August 12, 2009, 02:33:28 PM
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Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on August 12, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
Chile won 2-1, they're gonna be fun to watch in South Africa.

Also, I continue to think that Rommedahl is some elaborate April's fool by Olsen. When he retires he'll just send out a press release with a picture of Rommedahl with the words, ha ha. But besides that, Jacob Poulsen was great and it was nice to see Grønkjær back in the troop. And what a debut by Schøne. :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: stjaba on August 12, 2009, 03:27:00 PM
Score is 1-1 US vs. Mexico. Free live stream at http://envivo.terra.com/deportes/live/259-eu/
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: jech on August 12, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
1-1 still at half. We look terrible, typical game at Azteca. Mexico is controlling possession, it seems like every pass we make is intercepted by someone in green. Whatever it's still all even with 45 mins left, if we hold on I'll consider it a victory. A draw is great for us, Mexico cannot afford just one point being 4th in the table.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on August 12, 2009, 04:21:19 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 12, 2009, 02:33:28 PM
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I don't think your curse works unless you actually want them to win :p
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: stjaba on August 12, 2009, 04:52:43 PM
US down 2-1 to Mexico with a few minutes left, Rays have blown their lead vs. the Angels and are rapidly falling out of the Wild Card race, and I'm stuck at work.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on September 03, 2009, 12:46:01 PM
QuoteChelsea hit by new signings ban


Chelsea have been banned from signing any new players until January 2011 by football's governing body Fifa.

The Premier League club was found guilty of inducing French winger Gael Kakuta, 18, to breach his contract with Lens when he joined in 2007.

"Chelsea is banned from registering any new players for the two next registration periods," a statement on Fifa's website read.

Chelsea can appeal against the decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Fifa's dispute resolution chamber (DRC) ruled Kakuta must pay compensation of 780,000 euros (£682,000), for which Chelsea are "jointly and severally liable".

A spokesman for the London club told BBC Sport they were looking into the matter and hoped to issue a statement shortly.

Lens lodged a complaint with world football's governing body after Chelsea had signed the winger two years ago.

Now the DRC has ruled Kakuta breached his contract with Lens and that Chelsea induced him to do so.


Fifa's statement continued: "The French club had lodged a claim with Fifa seeking compensation for breach of contract from the player and requesting also sporting sanctions to be imposed on the player and the English club for breach of contract and inducement to breach of contract.

"The DRC found that the player had indeed breached a contract signed with the French club. Equally, the DRC deemed it to be established that the English club induced the player to such breach."

Chelsea must pay additional "training compensation" of 130,000 euros (£114,000) to Lens, while the player has been banned from playing in official matches for four months.

Kakuta ended 2007/8, his first season with Chelsea, as the youth team's top scorer and was voted the academy's player of the year.

He played five times for the youth team and twice for the reserves in his second season before it was brought to an abrupt end in February when he suffered a double fracture of his ankle.

The Lille-born youngster has never played for Chelsea's first team although he is back to full fitness and has been featuring in the reserves this season.

The next transfer window is open between 1-31 January 2010 and the opportunity to register new players after that is from the end of the season until 31 August (Europe) and 1 September, (Britain) 2010.

Fifa punished Switzerland's FC Sion for a similar offence in April and the club was told it could not sign players until the 2010 offseason.

This was punishment for their actions in luring Egypt goalkeeper Essam El Hadary in 2008 before his deal with Al-Ahly had expired.

Like Kakuta, El Hadary received a four-month ban from playing.

Sion have appealed to CAS, which has frozen the sanctions while it considers the case, allowing the club to trade before the current season began. A ruling is expected later this year.

Meanwhile Uefa, European football's governing body, is keen to introduce a rule preventing the international transfer of players under the age of 18 after member associations, clubs, leagues and players agreed to the principle.

Uefa president Michel Platini said in March: "The question of minors is above all a moral and ethical issue. We have a duty to take concrete steps to protect young players and training clubs."

Hey Tamas, your club sucks.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on September 03, 2009, 01:42:15 PM
Funniest part: we will still win the Premiership this season. Unless a string of injuries occur, we don't need signings.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on September 03, 2009, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: Tamas on September 03, 2009, 01:42:15 PM
Funniest part: we will still win the Premiership this season. Unless a string of injuries occur, we don't need signings.

Famous last words.

Anyway are you a fan of any Hungarian teams?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on September 04, 2009, 03:44:37 AM
So, Poruguese, are you ready for tomorrow? :)

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on September 04, 2009, 03:55:00 AM
Who needs to be ready when they're playing a defense like ours. :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on September 04, 2009, 03:57:44 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 03, 2009, 01:42:15 PM
Funniest part: we will still win the Premiership this season. Unless a string of injuries occur, we don't need signings.

What's all that "we" crap? Are you part of the squad? Don't be a Timmy...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on September 05, 2009, 08:36:33 AM
Go Denmark. Send the eggplants home  :menace:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on September 05, 2009, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2009, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: Tamas on September 03, 2009, 01:42:15 PM
Funniest part: we will still win the Premiership this season. Unless a string of injuries occur, we don't need signings.

Famous last words.

Anyway are you a fan of any Hungarian teams?

Not really, I don't follow the hungarian leauge at all. If there was one, it would be Fehérvár, which is sort of my local team (team of the city I work at), but only hooligans attend games these days, and I really dont like the team enough to get into weekly brawls.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on September 05, 2009, 09:08:46 AM
Quote from: The Larch on September 04, 2009, 03:57:44 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 03, 2009, 01:42:15 PM
Funniest part: we will still win the Premiership this season. Unless a string of injuries occur, we don't need signings.

What's all that "we" crap? Are you part of the squad? Don't be a Timmy...

Alright, I am not really entitled to using "we" as I am not attending the matches or anything, but still it does not feel wrong using it, considering how long I have been supporting them, and how much shit I have taken for it (pre-Abra it was: "omg lol is there even a team like that?" post-Abra it has been:"lol omg this team is the evöl they pay money for stuff")

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on September 05, 2009, 09:19:36 AM
We is alright for proper fans of local teams. Especially in the lower divisions. They are your town's team, in amateur footy they are your town's people, we is good.
Tamas speaking of Chelsea though....yeah....
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on September 05, 2009, 01:52:13 PM
Watching the Portugal-Denmark game, Liep? Denmark's lucky so far. That should have been a penalty against them, instead they scored. Should be 1-0 the other way at halftime.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on September 05, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
OMFG

Sweden got ahead of Hungary and dominated the game, but failed to make more chances. Then a penalty made the game 1-1, and Hungary grew up to the task and the game was quite good for the last 15 minutes. With Portugal losing, it seemed that Hungary retains second place and can continue to dream on.

Then came the very last SECOND of the injury time, the Hungarian defense makes a mistake, and Ibrahimovic scores. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ape on September 05, 2009, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: Tamas on September 05, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
OMFG

Sweden got ahead of Hungary and dominated the game, but failed to make more chances. Then a penalty made the game 1-1, and Hungary grew up to the task and the game was quite good for the last 15 minutes. With Portugal losing, it seemed that Hungary retains second place and can continue to dream on.

Then came the very last SECOND of the injury time, the Hungarian defense makes a mistake, and Ibrahimovic scores. :(

:lmfao:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on September 05, 2009, 03:10:43 PM
 <_<

Cyprus 1-1 Ireland
About 10 minutes to go. Ireland went ahead early in the game and as per usual immediately gave up attacking. Cyprus equalized before half time.
Either team could still win the match.
Very bad performance and potentially disastrous result for Ireland.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on September 05, 2009, 03:11:53 PM
Robbie Keane just scored!
2-1 for Ireland.
It's going to be a nervy last few minutes.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on September 05, 2009, 03:38:36 PM
Well they won the game which is the most important thing but it was a very disappointing performance.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sahib on September 05, 2009, 04:35:28 PM
Poland- Northern Irealand. Now, Polish time is weakest in years so I didn't have any great expectations, but we really need to get that demented old Dutch guy out. 4-5-1, 35 years old winger playing in defense and a guy without club as a first substitute  :bleeding:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pat on September 05, 2009, 05:05:43 PM
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Top of the league, and tomorrow we'll beat the arseholes from the wrong side of Sweden to advance to the cup final :cool:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on September 05, 2009, 05:42:54 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 05, 2009, 01:52:13 PM
Watching the Portugal-Denmark game, Liep? Denmark's lucky so far. That should have been a penalty against them, instead they scored. Should be 1-0 the other way at halftime.



Was working so heard it on the radio. It was a good result for Denmark, a world class play by Bendtner, some good saves by Andersen and some sucky play by Portugal. Personally, I think that God saw that the Portutards shouldn't be allowed to win anything.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 09, 2009, 03:57:20 PM
The Danes pulled a Portugal against Albania it seems (goal by the inevitable Bendtner notwithstanding). Sweden almost did as well but won thanks to a Maltese own goal.  :lol: Next game will prove interesting for sure...

Portugal painfully won against Hungary as always when they win against a decent opponent lately.

France tied at 10 with some luck vs Serbia (Balkanics almost qualified) but seems headed to the play-off thanks to favourable results in the other games of the group like Lithuania losing against the Feroers (good one) and Austria having a tie with Romania. Another great goal for Titi, savior of the night.  :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on September 09, 2009, 04:15:07 PM
Hungary played what it had to play to have a chance against the sleepy Portugese, sadly not only it rendered their attacking play more impotent than it generally is, but a single mistake allowed a portugese goal. Not that it matters too much.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on September 09, 2009, 04:29:52 PM
Worst game we played in the qualification so far, the only good action we had was Bendter's goal. Rommedahl. :bleeding:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on September 09, 2009, 05:25:51 PM
Malta came close to sticking it to them Swedes...an own goal ....bah!


But Eng-er-land...Capello rules
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on September 09, 2009, 07:55:29 PM
And Bilic oversees the worst game by a Croatian team since independence.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zoupa on September 09, 2009, 11:21:05 PM
So how does qualifying for the WC work for the 2nd place teams in the european groups?

It seems France has no chance of making it to 1st anymore  :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zoupa on September 09, 2009, 11:24:05 PM
Nvm, I found it. Holy shit.

13 spots for UEFA. 9 group leaders qualify. The best 8 runner-ups then play home and away games for the remaining 4 spots. :cry:

I'm so very scared.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on September 10, 2009, 12:31:19 AM
So far only Spain, England and Holland are certainly qualified.

For Germany, everything depends on the game versus Russia next month. If Germany wins or ties, Germany will be first in the group. If they lose, Russia will be first and Germany will have to go to the runner-up games.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on September 10, 2009, 03:49:47 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 09, 2009, 11:24:05 PM
Nvm, I found it. Holy shit.

13 spots for UEFA. 9 group leaders qualify. The best 8 runner-ups then play home and away games for the remaining 4 spots. :cry:

I'm so very scared.

Come on, you can draw Bosnia.  :P And at least you're not in Portugal's situation.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on September 10, 2009, 04:14:54 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 09, 2009, 11:24:05 PM
Nvm, I found it. Holy shit.

13 spots for UEFA. 9 group leaders qualify. The best 8 runner-ups then play home and away games for the remaining 4 spots. :cry:

I'm so very scared.

The breakup of Yugoslavia and the USSR, it seems, has been terrible for European teams getting to the world cup.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on September 10, 2009, 07:20:13 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 10, 2009, 12:31:19 AM
So far only Spain, England and Holland are certainly qualified.

For Germany, everything depends on the game versus Russia next month. If Germany wins or ties, Germany will be first in the group. If they lose, Russia will be first and Germany will have to go to the runner-up games.

I think the Russians should play that game in Stalingrad, or whatever they call it now..Vulvagrad.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 09:34:04 AM
*bump*
Some great matches lined up, looking forward to Portugal being eliminated  :cool:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 10, 2009, 09:46:22 AM
Yup.

The Portugal Hungary game and Russa/Germany appear to be the most intersting, and both are on TV here.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 10, 2009, 12:01:24 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 10, 2009, 09:46:22 AM
Yup.

The Portugal Hungary game and Russa/Germany appear to be the most intersting, and both are on TV here.



I'll see your Portugal - Hungary game and raise with Denmark - Sweden. What an evening!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:13:34 PM
Germany just qualified. :yeah:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 12:18:05 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:13:34 PM
Germany just qualified. :yeah:
:(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
Looking at who else qualified so far: how the fuck did North Korea qualify? The bigger Asian countries are really poor in football. China, India, Iran, Pakistan, Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam etc. all have huge populations, but North Korea qualifies and Bahrain is in the play-off game against New Zealand.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 12:18:05 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:13:34 PM
Germany just qualified. :yeah:
:(
15th consecutive qualification.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:24:19 PM

15th consecutive qualification.  :P

I don't mind that, but I would have liked Russia to advance.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
Russia seems to be by far the strongest team in the play-offs. And they can't face France as those games will be seeded. I think the likelihood of Russia playing in the finals is very high.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 12:47:15 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
Russia seems to be by far the strongest team in the play-offs. And they can't face France as those games will be seeded. I think the likelihood of Russia playing in the finals is very high.

Yeah, I know. But Russia might slip up during the play-offs, Germany wouldn't.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 10, 2009, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
Russia seems to be by far the strongest team in the play-offs. And they can't face France as those games will be seeded. I think the likelihood of Russia playing in the finals is very high.

Are you sure about that? I thought it was a pretty random thing.

[Edit:] No, you're right. Funny, commentator during the Russia Germany game kept on saying that Russia could face Croatia or France.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 01:25:39 PM
Croatia is pretty much gone.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 01:32:48 PM
And Turkey is already gone. Interesting to see Bosnia go to the play-offs.

Portugal might not make it either. That's three out of eight Euro 2008 quarter finalists.

Argentina also had a really poor qualification so far. But I guess they will make it.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 10, 2009, 02:00:48 PM
Denmark - Sweden is quite interesting so far, surprising to see Sweden so defensive with 9-10 man constantly behind the ball.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 10, 2009, 03:05:02 PM
YES!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 03:08:27 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2009, 03:05:02 PM
YES!

Meh, you Scandies should've conspired to keep the eggplants out.
Now it's up to Hungary. :bleeding:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 10, 2009, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 03:08:27 PM

Meh, you Scandies should've conspired to keep the eggplants out.
Now it's up to Hungary. :bleeding:

Beating Sweden and going to the WC is so much sweeter than keeping the Portutards out. Sorry world, but Scandiweenian internal fighting > the good of football.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 10, 2009, 04:53:27 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2009, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 03:08:27 PM

Meh, you Scandies should've conspired to keep the porkchops out.
Now it's up to Hungary. :bleeding:

Beating Sweden and going to the WC is so much sweeter than keeping the Portutards out. Sorry world, but Scandiweenian internal fighting > the good of football.

Tak Danmark  :blush:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 10, 2009, 04:55:03 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 12:18:05 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:13:34 PM
Germany just qualified. :yeah:
:(
15th consecutive qualification.  :P

Always good to get the decisive victory in Moscow before Winter comes  :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on October 10, 2009, 04:56:56 PM
Quote from: The Larch on September 04, 2009, 03:57:44 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 03, 2009, 01:42:15 PM
Funniest part: we will still win the Premiership this season. Unless a string of injuries occur, we don't need signings.

What's all that "we" crap? Are you part of the squad? Don't be a Timmy...
He's already a Tim.  Chelsea is the Patriots of the Premiership.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on October 10, 2009, 04:57:48 PM
Excellent. Now we only have to loose the last game too and I´ll pop the champagne here at home.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 10, 2009, 06:47:18 PM
Well the only way we can keep the Portos out of the playoffs is for them to lose to um....hmm.....Malta.
:huh:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Agelastus on October 10, 2009, 06:57:33 PM
While I haven't watched the game, I am sure I am safe in saying that our goalkeeper is an idiot. :mad:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on October 10, 2009, 11:24:10 PM
Even though it was pretty much a done deal months ago the US officially qualified tonight.  I look forward to Altidore hoisting the World Cup in triumph next year.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 11, 2009, 01:57:31 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 10, 2009, 04:55:03 PMAlways good to get the decisive victory in Moscow before Winter comes  :D
And now it's up to the Africa Corps.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alexandru H. on October 11, 2009, 03:22:32 AM
We have become the 1990s Hungary  :cry:

Without the possibility of bragging about two World Cup finals  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 13, 2009, 05:01:47 PM
QuoteBalto. Co. woman killed, national team soccer player hurt in crash
22-year-old from Phoenix dies in single-car crash in Virginia early Tuesday


The Associated Press

5:06 PM EDT, October 13, 2009

ARLINGTON, Va.

A Baltimore County woman was killed and a member of the U.S. men's national soccer team was injured in a one-car accident early Tuesday in the Washington, D.C., area.

Ashley J. Roberta, 22, of Phoenix, was killed in the crash, which occurred in the southbound lanes of the George Washington Memorial Parkway in Virginia at about 3:15 a.m., according to U.S. Park Police Sgt. David Schlosser.

Charlie Davies, who was injured in the crash, was expected to undergo more than five hours of surgery. U.S. Soccer Federation spokesman Neil Buethe said Davies' injuries were not life-threatening but "possibly" career-threatening. "We don't know specifically what the surgery is for," he said.

"Obviously, as a team we were saddened to learn this news," U.S. coach Bob Bradley said. "Our thoughts and prayers are with Charlie and his family, as well as the other person in the car and the families of the others involved. ... We are relying on each other in a moment that has for sure hit us all hard."

Schlosser said there were three people in the car, and that Roberta was not the driver. Davies and the other person in the car were taken to Washington Hospital Center Medstar, one by land and one by helicopter. Schlosser did not say who was driving the car, and the cause of the accident remained under investigation.

The U.S. team was in the Washington area to prepare for Wednesday night's World Cup qualifying game against Costa Rica.

The 23-year-old Davies has four goals in 17 international appearances. He started and played 78 minutes in the Americans' 3-2 victory over Honduras on Saturday that clinched a berth in their sixth straight World Cup. He made his first U.S. appearance on June 2, 2007, as a substitute against China.

Born in Manchester, N.H., Davies played for Boston College before turning pro in 2006. He was a member of last year's American Olympic team and currently plays for the French club Sochaux. Davies' parents were in route to Washington on Tuesday, USSF spokesman Michael Kammarman said.

The U.S. team had an optional breakfast at its hotel Tuesday, and officials were informed of the accident around 11 a.m., just as Davies' surgery was about to begin. Bradley gathered the players before lunch and informed them of the news. Davies' teammates were not made available for comment.

"Obviously, the players are saddened by the situation and, obviously, hope the surgery goes well for Charlie and that he has a quick recovery," Buethe said.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 14, 2009, 10:32:16 AM
QuoteARLINGTON, Va. -- U.S. national team forward Charlie Davies had several broken bones and a lacerated bladder after a one-vehicle accident Tuesday in which another person was killed.

Davies underwent several hours of surgery at Washington Hospital Center Medstar, where he was listed in serious but stable condition. The injuries make it unlikely Davis will play in next year's World Cup.

The tibia and femur in Davies' right leg were broken. He also sustained facial fractures and a fracture in his left elbow in the accident, which took place at about 3:15 a.m. in the suburbs of the nation's capital.

Davies will be hospitalized for at least a week and additional operations will be required to stabilize his broken elbow and possibly the facial fractures.

"Injuries of this nature usually require a recovery period of six to 12 months and extensive rehabilitation
," said Dr. Dan Kalbac, a U.S. team doctor who collaborated with the doctors at the hospital. "Due to Charlie's fitness level, his prognosis for recovery and his ability to resume high-level competition is substantially improved."

The accident occurred in the southbound lanes of the George Washington Memorial Parkway in Virginia and claimed the life of Ashley J. Roberta, 22, of Phoenix, Md., according to U.S. Park Police Sgt. David Schlosser.

There were three people in the vehicle, and Davies and Roberta were passengers. Schlosser didn't identify the driver, who was also taken to Washington Hospital Center Medstar. The cause of the accident remained under investigation.

"The car was pretty much split in half," Schlosser said, according to The Washington Post.

Davies was airlifted to the hospital after the accident, where a team of doctors first repaired the ruptured bladder and then inserted titanium rods in both broken leg bones. A statement released by USSF said the procedure was performed "with no complications."

The U.S. team is in the Washington area for Wednesday night's World Cup qualifying game against Costa Rica.

The 23-year-old Davies has four goals in 17 international appearances. He started and played 78 minutes in the Americans' 3-2 victory over Honduras on Saturday that clinched a berth in their sixth straight World Cup. He made his first U.S. appearance on June 2, 2007, as a substitute against China.

Born in Manchester, N.H., Davies played for Boston College before turning pro in 2006. He was a member of last year's American Olympic team and currently plays for the French club Sochaux. Davies' brother, sister and father arrived in Washington from California late Tuesday, according to U.S. Soccer Federation spokesman Neil Buethe.

The players were subject to a team curfew Monday night, Buethe said, and Davies apparently was in violation. There was no mandatory team function until lunch on Tuesday, so officials were not aware of the accident until 11 a.m., just as Davies' surgery was about to begin. U.S. coach Bob Bradley informed the players of the news as they gathered for lunch.

The players were not made available for comment, but many in the U.S. soccer community expressed somber thoughts via Twitter.

"Just got some terrible news about my boy. :( :( :( I'm done tweeting for the day, too much stuff runnin through my head," tweeted midfielder Maurice Edu, who has played for the U.S. team but is not on the roster for the game in Washington.

"OMG please pray for Charlie Davies and the people involved in the car accident in dc," was the message from Freddy Adu, also a member of the national team's player pool.

Davies played in 13 games, with nine starts, for the U.S. national team this year, scoring three goals with three assists. His absence leaves Jozy Altidore, Brian Ching and Conor Casey as the top forwards as the Americans begin preparations for the World Cup, which begins June 11 in South Africa. There will also be another roster spot likely up for grabs, with forwards such as Adu and Kenny Cooper possibly working into the mix.

Such mundane thoughts paled to the grief expressed Tuesday over the death of a young woman and the serious injuries suffered by a teammate.

"Obviously, as a team we were saddened to learn this news," Bradley said after hearing about the accident. "Our thoughts and prayers are with Charlie and his family, as well as the other person in the car and the families of the others involved. ... We are relying on each other in a moment that has for sure hit us all hard."
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 14, 2009, 03:52:54 PM
Aaaaand we're back to playing like crap.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 14, 2009, 04:18:13 PM
At least, Peugeot cannot be blamed this time...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 14, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 14, 2009, 03:52:54 PM
Aaaaand we're back to playing like crap.

Denmark? Didn't matter did it.?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 14, 2009, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 14, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Denmark? Didn't matter did it.?

Not really, but it would still be nice to play like you wanted to win. Also, crappy substituting. Daniel Jensen should never have played.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 15, 2009, 02:14:46 AM
France won against Austria, at last.  :D Even for a stakeless game, against a weaker team, a nice dive in the penalty box giving a goal  :frusty:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 15, 2009, 07:23:41 AM
Yay! We get to see Maradonna in the WC. Is he the new Mourinho? I mean, of course, without the actual skills.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 15, 2009, 07:34:00 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 15, 2009, 07:23:41 AM
Yay! We get to see Maradonna in the WC. Is he the new Mourinho? I mean, of course, without the actual skills.

Nah, at least Mou has panache and an something resembling class. Maradona has nothing of that. You should have seen his press conference after the Uruguay - Argentina game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Mr.Penguin on October 15, 2009, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 14, 2009, 03:52:54 PM
Aaaaand we're back to playing like crap.

Come on, everyone was still hungover from saturdays party and it was to cold to play...

besides we are on our way to South Africa... ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 15, 2009, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on October 15, 2009, 11:43:04 AM
Come on, everyone was still hungover from saturdays party and it was to cold to play...

besides we are on our way to South Africa... ;)

So we'll only play good in SA if there's no champagne available. :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 18, 2009, 07:42:59 AM
In case you didn't watch the Liverpool-Sunderland game yesterday (odds are good) here is the awesome match winning goal. :lol:

edit- argghhhh the link won't stick!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2RusLT4BdM
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on October 18, 2009, 08:06:25 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 18, 2009, 07:42:59 AM
In case you didn't watch the Liverpool-Sunderland game yesterday (odds are good) here is the awesome match winning goal. :lol:

In a lifetime, you can only see such a thing once.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 18, 2009, 08:26:28 AM
Well I'm now reduced to hoping Bosnia qualify, the manager is our legendary one from '98.

@Tyr: awesome, thanks for the link - though that ginger prat is a marked man now.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 18, 2009, 08:38:25 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 18, 2009, 07:42:59 AM
In case you didn't watch the Liverpool-Sunderland game yesterday (odds are good) here is the awesome match winning goal. :lol:

edit- argghhhh the link won't stick!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2RusLT4BdM

Liverpool's fault. The goalie should have cleared it before that happened.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 18, 2009, 10:24:01 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 18, 2009, 08:38:25 AM
Liverpool's fault. The goalie should have cleared it before that happened.
Yep, I'd probally be saying something different were the shoe on the other foot but...goals caused by bits of dirt sticking up and the like happen all the time. Its part of the keepers job to ensure theres no dogy bits of earth around the goal. This is a logical extension.
Apparently though hidden away in the rule book is that if the ball hits a foreign object it should be a drop kick there.
I'm just glad a shitty decision went in favour of my team instead of against it as they usually do. i.e. in that particular game the 7 minutes of injury time....
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 18, 2009, 12:01:58 PM
It's a tough call, perhaps. Depending on the interpretation of the rules.

I think the rules state that if there is an outside interference, "the game has to be stopped."

The ref should have stopped the game or motioned to Reina to clear the beachball away. But he let the play continue so the goal should stand.

I haven't heard anything about Benitez going ape shit about it.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 18, 2009, 04:06:33 PM
Well the last time the goalie started getting rid of foreign objects in the box (a load of balloons), that also ended up in a goal.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Agelastus on October 18, 2009, 06:00:59 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 18, 2009, 12:01:58 PM
It's a tough call, perhaps. Depending on the interpretation of the rules.

I think the rules state that if there is an outside interference, "the game has to be stopped."

The ref should have stopped the game or motioned to Reina to clear the beachball away. But he let the play continue so the goal should stand.

I haven't heard anything about Benitez going ape shit about it.

He hasn't been. Liverpool were shit, even if the goal they actually lost by was one that should have been disallowed under a strict interpretation of the rules.

I hope the Saudis buy into the club and let Benitez have some money. On the other hand, they seem to be buying Gillette's share, when it is Hicks who should be the one leaving the club. :mad:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 02:10:39 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 15, 2009, 07:34:00 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 15, 2009, 07:23:41 AM
Yay! We get to see Maradonna in the WC. Is he the new Mourinho? I mean, of course, without the actual skills.

Nah, at least Mou has panache and an something resembling class. Maradona has nothing of that. You should have seen his press conference after the Uruguay - Argentina game.

That's precisely an argument FOR Maradona. Hilarious nervous breakdown FTW! :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 06:24:38 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 02:10:39 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 15, 2009, 07:34:00 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 15, 2009, 07:23:41 AM
Yay! We get to see Maradonna in the WC. Is he the new Mourinho? I mean, of course, without the actual skills.

Nah, at least Mou has panache and an something resembling class. Maradona has nothing of that. You should have seen his press conference after the Uruguay - Argentina game.

That's precisely an argument FOR Maradona. Hilarious nervous breakdown FTW! :D

I guess it's either hillarious or embarrassing, depending on your pov.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 07:44:19 AM
November Play-offs

Republic of Ireland vs France
Portugal vs Bosnia-Herzegovina
Greece vs Ukraine
Russia vs Slovenia
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 07:45:50 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 07:44:19 AM
November Play-offs

Republic of Ireland-France
Portugal-Bosnia-Herzegovina
Greece-Ukraine
Russia-Slovenia

I bet France, Portugal, Ukraine and Russia will go through.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 07:54:24 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 07:45:50 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 07:44:19 AM
November Play-offs

Republic of Ireland-France
Portugal-Bosnia-Herzegovina
Greece-Ukraine
Russia-Slovenia

I bet France, Portugal, Ukraine and Russia will go through.

I bet the Greece-Ukraine game will be a snore fest  :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 19, 2009, 08:10:38 AM
Ouch, poor Ireland. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on October 19, 2009, 08:15:56 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 08:10:38 AM
Ouch, poor Ireland. :(

:menace: :frog:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on October 19, 2009, 08:24:09 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 10, 2009, 11:24:10 PM
Even though it was pretty much a done deal months ago the US officially qualified tonight.  I look forward to Altidore hoisting the World Cup in triumph next year.

I don't know--had our team dropped the last two, we would be in the playoff with South America for a spot. And we almost did--we trailed in both games (the last one by two goals), before eeking out a one goal win (where the opposition missed a late PK) and a tie against Costa Rica and Honduras. And in the game before that, we were very fortunate to get a one goal win against Trinidad and Tobago.

We are not playing very well going into the World Cup. I'm prepared for a group stage exit.   :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 08:33:10 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 19, 2009, 08:15:56 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 08:10:38 AM
Ouch, poor Ireland. :(

:menace: :frog:

I bet 20 or 30 thousands will travel to the SDF providing a real atmosphere. Hell, I would not be surprised if they managed to be a plurality...

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on October 19, 2009, 08:49:41 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 19, 2009, 08:24:09 AM
We are not playing very well going into the World Cup. I'm prepared for a group stage exit.   :(

We should always be prepared for that following the US national team :P

But I think they are capable of much more next year.  They are simply more talented than in years past and we still have a long time until the tournament starts.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 19, 2009, 08:53:39 AM
I'm somewhat hopeful for England.
We did well in qualifying and it'll be winter in South Africa when the tournament takes place- tropical temperatures are often a big undoing factor for European teams.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 09:03:14 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 08:53:39 AM
I'm somewhat hopeful for England.
We did well in qualifying and it'll be winter in South Africa when the tournament takes place- tropical temperatures are often a big undoing factor for European teams.

Yet you still don't have a real goalkeeper and your strikers, besides Rooney, are not up to the task. I mean, Heskey is still being capped.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 19, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 09:03:14 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 08:53:39 AM
I'm somewhat hopeful for England.
We did well in qualifying and it'll be winter in South Africa when the tournament takes place- tropical temperatures are often a big undoing factor for European teams.

Yet you still don't have a real goalkeeper and your strikers, besides Rooney, are not up to the task. I mean, Heskey is still being capped.

Actually when Heskey is used properly, he's a very good team player, and very difficult for defences to deal with.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 19, 2009, 09:25:37 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 08:53:39 AM
I'm somewhat hopeful for England.
We did well in qualifying and it'll be winter in South Africa when the tournament takes place- tropical temperatures are often a big undoing factor for European teams.

True....but the same holds true for Germany, italy and other Euro teams.

Don't get me wrong, I've been a supporter of England since I was born in June 66. I'm also somewhat optimistic. They do have a strong team. They do need to solidify their goaltending, though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on October 19, 2009, 10:28:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 19, 2009, 08:15:56 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 08:10:38 AM
Ouch, poor Ireland. :(

:menace: :frog:
:o? Will the curse live on now?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 19, 2009, 11:00:16 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 19, 2009, 09:25:37 AM
True....but the same holds true for Germany, italy and other Euro teams.

Don't get me wrong, I've been a supporter of England since I was born in June 66. I'm also somewhat optimistic. They do have a strong team. They do need to solidify their goaltending, though.
Yep. It does indeed hold true for them also. They too could do pretty good.
But its usually hot countries that are England's undoing- Portugal, Brazil, Argentina.

Quote from: The LarchYet you still don't have a real goalkeeper and your strikers, besides Rooney, are not up to the task. I mean, Heskey is still being capped.
The Bent star is rising.
The lack of a world class keeper is a big problem though.


Quote from: WarspiteActually when Heskey is used properly, he's a very good team player, and very difficult for defences to deal with.
hmm....quite similar to Jones for Sunerland...Bent could link up well with him.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 19, 2009, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 07:44:19 AM
November Play-offs

Republic of Ireland-France
Portugal-Bosnia-Herzegovina
Greece-Ukraine
Russia-Slovenia

A couple of possible upsets here. All I can say is go Bosnia!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on October 19, 2009, 11:20:16 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 19, 2009, 11:01:57 AM

A couple of possible upsets here. All I can say is go Bosnia!

:yes:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 19, 2009, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 19, 2009, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 07:44:19 AM
November Play-offs

Republic of Ireland-France
Portugal-Bosnia-Herzegovina
Greece-Ukraine
Russia-Slovenia

A couple of possible upsets here. All I can say is go Bosnia!
That will be a interesting match. Three teams on the field at once...


...


:P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 19, 2009, 11:27:01 AM
Imagine if Bosnia Herzogovina played Trinidad and Tobago.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 19, 2009, 11:27:20 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 19, 2009, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 07:44:19 AM
November Play-offs

Republic of Ireland-France
Portugal-Bosnia-Herzegovina
Greece-Ukraine
Russia-Slovenia

A couple of possible upsets here. All I can say is go Bosnia!
That will be a interesting match. Three teams on the field at once...


...


:P

Four, actually :ph34r:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on October 19, 2009, 12:15:11 PM
It seems I'm kind of rooting for BiH to win the play-off, although I shouldn't say this out loud for fear of being decapitated by my fellow countrymen.

BiH has a good team that wouldn't shame itself on the WC and I think it could be helpful on the construction of a national identity over there, a thing that they might need.

Portugal on the other side should go back to the drawing table after sacking Queirós and removing Ronaldo from the captain spot and giving it to someone who actually deserves for what he has done on the national team like Simão or Ricardo Carvalho.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on October 19, 2009, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 07:45:50 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2009, 07:44:19 AM
November Play-offs

Republic of Ireland-France
Portugal-Bosnia-Herzegovina
Greece-Ukraine
Russia-Slovenia

I bet France, Portugal, Ukraine and Russia will go through.
It's going to be tough for Ireland but not entirely impossible to get through. I think the French manager is the real weak point for France.
Everyone was hoping to draw Greece from the 4 seeded teams.

I'm still annoyed with FIFA for pulling that cynical move about seeding the play off draw when they saw that some of the big teams would be in it.  <_<
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on October 19, 2009, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 19, 2009, 10:28:15 AM
:o? Will the curse live on now?

Doh!  I totally forgot about the blessing of Valmy. :(  Je suis désolé, mes amis français. :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 11:00:16 AM
Quote from: The LarchYet you still don't have a real goalkeeper and your strikers, besides Rooney, are not up to the task. I mean, Heskey is still being capped.
The Bent star is rising.
The lack of a world class keeper is a big problem though.

You don't just lack a world class keeper, you lack a plain good one. I mean, Spain's 4th keeper would be a shoe in for England. Weren't there talks of giving Almunia the British nationality before the WC so he could play for England?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 04:23:44 PM
BTW, apparently there are rumours going on in UEFA circles saying that Ukraine will most probably be stripped of co-organizing Euro '12, with Poland getting the same treatment if their part of the organization doesn't shape up in the coming year.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 19, 2009, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 04:16:13 PM

You don't just lack a world class keeper, you lack a plain good one.

Yup...that will be the thorn in England's side. Most teams that win the world cup, in my memory, have always had a top class goalie backing them up...be it Buffon or Kahn or Zoff or whomever. England's goalkeeping issue is my biggest worry going into South Africa.

I know it's very early to make predicitons, but I imagine we can see one of the African teams breaking out and coming close. There's always one or two African teams that have done pretty well, and maybe having the cup in their continent will be rewarding for them. I don't imagine an African team will win...but a semi-finalist? Perhaps.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 19, 2009, 05:06:41 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 04:16:13 PM
Weren't there talks of giving Almunia the British nationality before the WC so he could play for England?

I could believe that, they even talked about giving Schmeichel's son British nationality... then you're really desperate. :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 19, 2009, 06:07:15 PM
He does have English nationality.
According to Wiki though the powers that be are opposed to him playing and insist he's Spanish.
That would be very very iffy behaviour if we did that. I'm not so sure I'd be comfortable with it. And if England did win...well it'd be a huge scandal and would likely lead to such mercenary behaviour becoming ever more widespread.
You could well imagine the ruler of Dubai taking a interest in football and granting UAE citizenship to a bunch of awesome 3rd world players in exchange for big sums.
International football should remain pure even if club football is very tainted.


African teams: IIRC Ghana (I think it was them...) are quite heavily tipped as a good nation to put money on to win. High odds but a great team. Apparently.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Agelastus on October 19, 2009, 06:12:50 PM
Where have all the budding Peter Shilton's gone... :cry:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alatriste on October 20, 2009, 01:08:47 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 06:07:15 PM
He does have English nationality.
According to Wiki though the powers that be are opposed to him playing and insist he's Spanish.
That would be very very iffy behaviour if we did that. I'm not so sure I'd be comfortable with it. And if England did win...well it'd be a huge scandal and would likely lead to such mercenary behaviour becoming ever more widespread.
You could well imagine the ruler of Dubai taking a interest in football and granting UAE citizenship to a bunch of awesome 3rd world players in exchange for big sums.
International football should remain pure even if club football is very tainted.


African teams: IIRC Ghana (I think it was them...) are quite heavily tipped as a good nation to put money on to win. High odds but a great team. Apparently.

IIRC the rules are you can't play in two national teams, ever. If Almunia had played for Spain, then he would be barred from joining England's team. But he never did so it would be OK for England to have him. I don't think that would get a raised eyebrow in Spain. We have had players born in Argentina, Hungary... and even in today's team: Marcos Senna was born in Brazil, he's an Spanish citizen only since 2005. 
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 02:26:35 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on October 20, 2009, 01:08:47 AM

IIRC the rules are you can't play in two national teams, ever. If Almunia had played for Spain, then he would be barred from joining England's team. But he never did so it would be OK for England to have him. I don't think that would get a raised eyebrow in Spain. We have had players born in Argentina, Hungary... and even in today's team: Marcos Senna was born in Brazil, he's an Spanish citizen only since 2005.

Just look at the Portuguese team, they nationalised their third Brazilian only 10 days before their game in Copenhagen.

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 20, 2009, 03:14:09 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 02:26:35 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on October 20, 2009, 01:08:47 AM

IIRC the rules are you can't play in two national teams, ever. If Almunia had played for Spain, then he would be barred from joining England's team. But he never did so it would be OK for England to have him. I don't think that would get a raised eyebrow in Spain. We have had players born in Argentina, Hungary... and even in today's team: Marcos Senna was born in Brazil, he's an Spanish citizen only since 2005.

Just look at the Portuguese team, they nationalised their third Brazilian only 10 days before their game in Copenhagen.

V

Tordesillas treaty still applies after all :contract:  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 20, 2009, 03:16:06 AM
Quote from: clandestino on October 19, 2009, 12:15:11 PM
It seems I'm kind of rooting for BiH to win the play-off, although I shouldn't say this out loud for fear of being decapitated by my fellow countrymen.

BiH has a good team that wouldn't shame itself on the WC and I think it could be helpful on the construction of a national identity over there, a thing that they might need.

Portugal on the other side should go back to the drawing table after sacking Queirós and removing Ronaldo from the captain spot and giving it to someone who actually deserves for what he has done on the national team like Simão or Ricardo Carvalho.

/I_Killed_Kenny

Nigga please... Self-hatred is so Portuguese

/I_Killed_Kenny

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 03:16:58 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 20, 2009, 03:14:09 AM
Tordesillas treaty still applies after all :contract:  :P

Rather in reverse as it is.. brazil is taking over the Portuguese team, not the other wayaround :D

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 03:21:08 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 20, 2009, 03:14:09 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 02:26:35 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on October 20, 2009, 01:08:47 AM

IIRC the rules are you can't play in two national teams, ever. If Almunia had played for Spain, then he would be barred from joining England's team. But he never did so it would be OK for England to have him. I don't think that would get a raised eyebrow in Spain. We have had players born in Argentina, Hungary... and even in today's team: Marcos Senna was born in Brazil, he's an Spanish citizen only since 2005.

Just look at the Portuguese team, they nationalised their third Brazilian only 10 days before their game in Copenhagen.

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Tordesillas treaty still applies after all :contract:  :P

Funny thing, I was going to say that then we'd be happy to take as many Argenitinians as we could, but then I realized that basically besides Messi they'd have no place in the current Spanish national team.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 03:30:33 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on October 20, 2009, 01:08:47 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 06:07:15 PM
He does have English nationality.
According to Wiki though the powers that be are opposed to him playing and insist he's Spanish.
That would be very very iffy behaviour if we did that. I'm not so sure I'd be comfortable with it. And if England did win...well it'd be a huge scandal and would likely lead to such mercenary behaviour becoming ever more widespread.
You could well imagine the ruler of Dubai taking a interest in football and granting UAE citizenship to a bunch of awesome 3rd world players in exchange for big sums.
International football should remain pure even if club football is very tainted.


African teams: IIRC Ghana (I think it was them...) are quite heavily tipped as a good nation to put money on to win. High odds but a great team. Apparently.

IIRC the rules are you can't play in two national teams, ever. If Almunia had played for Spain, then he would be barred from joining England's team. But he never did so it would be OK for England to have him. I don't think that would get a raised eyebrow in Spain. We have had players born in Argentina, Hungary... and even in today's team: Marcos Senna was born in Brazil, he's an Spanish citizen only since 2005.

Almunia hasn't played for any national Spanish team, not even for the under-something categories, so he shouldn't have any problems playing for England should he be called. Almost every 2nd tier and some 1st tier teams in the last Euro had at least a naturalized player, it's not that strange nowadays.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 20, 2009, 03:32:56 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 03:16:58 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 20, 2009, 03:14:09 AM
Tordesillas treaty still applies after all :contract:  :P

Rather in reverse as it is.. brazil is taking over the Portuguese team, not the other wayaround :D

V

Nani is Brazilian too?  :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 03:42:32 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 03:30:33 AM
Almost every 2nd tier and some 1st tier teams in the last Euro had at least a naturalized player, it's not that strange nowadays.

Well yes, but there IS a difference in how and why some of them are nationalised...

Refugees, Immigrants, or children of Immigrants.. sure...

Players in high numbers, right before an important match, only just fullfilling the requirements? It can get borderline IMHO.

There were likewise issues in handball were at one point the entire Austrian Women's national team equalised 1 club team who where all nationlised East Europeans, mostly Hungarian, Bulgarien, Ukainian and so on.

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 20, 2009, 05:01:15 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 03:42:32 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 03:30:33 AM
Almost every 2nd tier and some 1st tier teams in the last Euro had at least a naturalized player, it's not that strange nowadays.

Well yes, but there IS a difference in how and why some of them are nationalised...

Refugees, Immigrants, or children of Immigrants.. sure...

Players in high numbers, right before an important match, only just fullfilling the requirements? It can get borderline IMHO.

There were likewise issues in handball were at one point the entire Austrian Women's national team equalised 1 club team who where all nationlised East Europeans, mostly Hungarian, Bulgarien, Ukainian and so on.

V

Guess what, Football players are immigrants too if highly paid. Brazilians always had it easy entering Portugal and vice versa. Besides, I'd rather have Liedson than whatever Pentecostal Protestant sect Brazil graces us with, not to mention the telenovelas ;)

All of that makes one player fullfilling the naturalisation requirements (years of residence in Portugal, no jail time etc.) before the game in Copenhagen. Where are your players in high numbers?

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 05:15:47 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 03:42:32 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 03:30:33 AM
Almost every 2nd tier and some 1st tier teams in the last Euro had at least a naturalized player, it's not that strange nowadays.

Well yes, but there IS a difference in how and why some of them are nationalised...

Refugees, Immigrants, or children of Immigrants.. sure...

Players in high numbers, right before an important match, only just fullfilling the requirements? It can get borderline IMHO.

There were likewise issues in handball were at one point the entire Austrian Women's national team equalised 1 club team who where all nationlised East Europeans, mostly Hungarian, Bulgarien, Ukainian and so on.

V

Normally, the kind of player that gets naturalized to play for another nation's national team is a Brazilian who never got capped back home (either because they weren't good enough, because they weren't noticed or because they were passed over) and gets called up when he gets the nationality of the country where he's been playing for many years. You have Senna in Spain, Deco in Portugal, Eduardo in Croatia, Aurelio in Turkey or Guerreiro in Poland fitting that mold, and Almunia would be like them. And then there are the ones that have some kind of link with their "new" country, like Kuranyi in Germany, Trezeguet in France or Camoranesi in Italy. It's not something unprecedented at all.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 06:01:21 AM
I didn't say it was unprecedented, nor that anything was wrong with it. Only that once in a while it tends to get very obvious and as such moves into a grey area :)

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 06:27:00 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 06:01:21 AM
I didn't say it was unprecedented, nor that anything was wrong with it. Only that once in a while it tends to get very obvious and as such moves into a grey area :)

V

Of course it's obvious, and I don't see much of a grey area. Those guys fulfill the requeriments for naturalization, and shouldn't be prevented from representing their new countries. Normally those guys have been living and playing on their new countries for a long time. The cases that deserve further scrutiny are the ones when normal rules are circumvented for speedier naturalizations, such as Solomon Kalou's botched attempt at getting Dutch nationality, I guess those are the ones you think of.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 06:52:47 AM
Nope the most blatant was as I mentioned the Austrian Handball team where at one point the national team didn't have a single player almost who had been born in Austria :D

Duque, I'm not sure i understand your question? What players from where?

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 06:55:42 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 06:52:47 AM
Nope the most blatant was as I mentioned the Austrian Handball team where at one point the national team didn't have a single player almost who had been born in Austria :D

Duque, I'm not sure i understand your question? What players from where?

V

Handball AFAIK has laxer naturalization rules, I remember Talant Duishebayev playing both for Russia and Spain with little problems involved. And we're talking footie here, anyway.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 20, 2009, 06:59:42 AM
If other teams do then that makes them cheating scum and we should not drop to their level (I do remember that Turkish Brazilian...)

A trouble with England potentially doing it too I think is that there is no English citizenship, only British. Every England player has actual links to England. Even the Welsh, for all the stick they get for having nought but England rejects only take players with actual Welsh links.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Grey Fox on October 20, 2009, 07:00:09 AM
Montreal's Impact won the USL championship cup. :yeah: I guess.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 07:06:33 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 06:55:42 AM

Handball AFAIK has laxer naturalization rules, I remember Talant Duishebayev playing both for Russia and Spain with little problems involved. And we're talking footie here, anyway.  :P

True tue, but since when has that stopped a languish discussion? :D

Still, nationalising him, then picking him for the national team btw. 2 games while the team is in session still seems to be almost defying the intention of the rules, even if by the letter he was eligible :)

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 07:19:18 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 20, 2009, 06:59:42 AM
If other teams do then that makes them cheating scum and we should not drop to their level (I do remember that Turkish Brazilian...)

It's not cheating, those guys have the nationality of the team they're now playing for, after having lived and played there for several years. After getting the nationality and fulfilling all the criteria laid by FIFA, why shouldn't they be allowed to play for their new country?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 07:20:32 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 07:06:33 AM
Still, nationalising him, then picking him for the national team btw. 2 games while the team is in session still seems to be almost defying the intention of the rules, even if by the letter he was eligible :)

I don't really understand what you want to say here.  -_-

What exactly happened with that Brazilian-Portuguese guy?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 07:25:59 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 07:20:32 AM

I don't really understand what you want to say here.  -_-

What exactly happened with that Brazilian-Portuguese guy?

He was nationalised 10 days before the game in Copenhagen, in the middle of a team assembly, then put straight on the A team, and then subbed in during the game...

Now how could he possibly know how to play that team, coop with the others, know their system etc.. only ten days after being nationalised, without having trained with them?  :lol:

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Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 07:33:36 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 07:25:59 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 07:20:32 AM

I don't really understand what you want to say here.  -_-

What exactly happened with that Brazilian-Portuguese guy?

He was nationalised 10 days before the game in Copenhagen, in the middle of a team assembly, then put straight on the A team, and then subbed in during the game...

Now how could he possibly know how to play that team, coop with the others, know their system etc.. only ten days after being nationalised, without having trained with them?  :lol:

V

Ok, now I get it. Anyway, that's a concern for the national coach, not for the authorities or the naturalization system. If the guy was eligible, nothing could legally prevent him form playing.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 20, 2009, 03:40:06 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 06:52:47 AM
Nope the most blatant was as I mentioned the Austrian Handball team where at one point the national team didn't have a single player almost who had been born in Austria :D

Duque, I'm not sure i understand your question? What players from where?

V

Quote
Players in high numbers, right before an important match, only just fullfilling the requirements? It can get borderline IMHO.

While it was Liedson who has been playing in Portugal for 6 years, hence fullfilling the years of residence criterium.

As for not playing sooner, maybe you should know that Queiroz's choices are not exactly popular nor particulary bright ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 20, 2009, 03:59:57 PM
Some of the best playing I've seen from Barcelona, to bad they lost.. also, who were those hardworking Russians? Never heard of that team before.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Brain on October 20, 2009, 04:12:18 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 20, 2009, 07:25:59 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 20, 2009, 07:20:32 AM

I don't really understand what you want to say here.  -_-

What exactly happened with that Brazilian-Portuguese guy?

He was nationalised 10 days before the game in Copenhagen, in the middle of a team assembly, then put straight on the A team, and then subbed in during the game...

Now how could he possibly know how to play that team, coop with the others, know their system etc.. only ten days after being nationalised, without having trained with them?  :lol:

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Is a national team training with foreigners forbidden?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on October 21, 2009, 03:10:56 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 20, 2009, 04:12:18 PM

Is a national team training with foreigners forbidden?

Nope, I don't think so, but why would you want to train with forreigners unless you magically wants to include them? :D


Saw parts of the Liverpool game... lousy defence :(

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Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 21, 2009, 04:08:48 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 20, 2009, 03:59:57 PM
Some of the best playing I've seen from Barcelona

Then you haven't seen much.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 21, 2009, 05:45:31 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 21, 2009, 04:08:48 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 20, 2009, 03:59:57 PM
Some of the best playing I've seen from Barcelona

Then you haven't seen much.  :lol:

First game since the champion's league last year. :S I just enjoyed Messi and all the combinations. Of course, it didn't amount to much...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 21, 2009, 05:51:52 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2009, 05:45:31 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 21, 2009, 04:08:48 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 20, 2009, 03:59:57 PM
Some of the best playing I've seen from Barcelona

Then you haven't seen much.  :lol:

First game since the champion's league last year. :S I just enjoyed Messi and all the combinations. Of course, it didn't amount to much...

Well, all the pundits are saying that it was their worst match of the season so far, with several players still out of shape and coming out of injuries, so it kinda shocked me to read that.  :P And Messi is going through a bad spell as well, he has even been questioned for his bad performance in the Argentinian national team.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 21, 2009, 06:20:54 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 04:23:44 PM
BTW, apparently there are rumours going on in UEFA circles saying that Ukraine will most probably be stripped of co-organizing Euro '12, with Poland getting the same treatment if their part of the organization doesn't shape up in the coming year.

Then what?
Germany again? :unsure:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 21, 2009, 06:25:01 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 21, 2009, 05:51:52 AM
Well, all the pundits are saying that it was their worst match of the season so far, with several players still out of shape and coming out of injuries, so it kinda shocked me to read that.  :P And Messi is going through a bad spell as well, he has even been questioned for his bad performance in the Argentinian national team.

I watch too little football atm. I blame the commentators really, the channel showing la liga has retards talking. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 21, 2009, 06:44:11 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 21, 2009, 06:20:54 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2009, 04:23:44 PM
BTW, apparently there are rumours going on in UEFA circles saying that Ukraine will most probably be stripped of co-organizing Euro '12, with Poland getting the same treatment if their part of the organization doesn't shape up in the coming year.

Then what?
Germany again? :unsure:

It seems that they're the backup, yes.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 21, 2009, 07:52:18 PM
Some surprises in the third round of the Champions League.
Watched the Milan v. Real Madrid game today. Fell asleep in the first hour, but boy was that last half hour exciting.

It's good to see billionaire teams lose like that. :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 22, 2009, 03:47:06 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 21, 2009, 07:52:18 PM
Some surprises in the third round of the Champions League.
Watched the Milan v. Real Madrid game today. Fell asleep in the first hour, but boy was that last half hour exciting.

It's good to see billionaire teams lose like that. :)

Michael Laudrup was commentating it here so I had to stay awake to listen and evaluate. He's pretty good... clearly ready for another coaching job (hello Atletico?). This meant that I fell asleep in the 2nd half missing the good part of the game though. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 22, 2009, 06:18:29 AM
First time I see a team failing two penalties yet winning (Bordeaux vs Bayern)...
Nice madjer as a bonus :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 22, 2009, 09:00:28 AM
And not that any of you care so much but the MLS heads into its final games this weekend and there's like a half dozen teams vying for the last couple playoff spots.

This is as exciting as it gets. Go--Toronto.....
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: I Killed Kenny on October 22, 2009, 03:07:59 PM
Benfica 5 - 0 Everton


:yeah:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 23, 2009, 01:40:44 AM
Quote from: I Killed Kenny on October 22, 2009, 03:07:59 PM
Benfica 5 - 0 Everton


:yeah:

Parabéns, alfacinhas  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pat on November 01, 2009, 09:07:55 PM
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Swedish Champions 2009 :yeah:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on November 10, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
The goal keeper of the German national team and Hannover 96 has committed suicide today. RIP. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on November 10, 2009, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: Zanza on November 10, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
The goal keeper of the German national team and Hannover 96 has committed suicide today. RIP. :(

Apparently by throwing himself in front of a train. Since one shouldn't speak ill of the death I'll just be quiet.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on November 10, 2009, 04:36:21 PM
Damn.  I wouldn't kill myself, but there's gotta be a better way if you want to do yourself in.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on November 10, 2009, 04:38:34 PM
News reports I've seen say accident.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on November 14, 2009, 07:07:36 PM
Saturday Night Play-offs:

Russia-Slovenia 2-1

Late goal by Slovenia spicing up the second leg in a game otherwise dominated by Russia.

Greece-Ukraine 0-0

How surprising  :D

Ireland-France

La France a l'Eire de se rapprocher de l'Afrique du Sud. Lucky goal though.

Portugal-Bosnia 1-0

Outrageous domination at times by Portugal yet only 1 goal. How typical. Bosnia hit the posts twice, however.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on November 14, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
In the least friendly and thus most entertaining friendly match I've ever seen, Spain beat the Argies 2 to 1. Although, it could easily have been worse for the Southamericans, especially if the ref had been any good.
For pretty much all the game but the first part of the second half, Spain trashed Maradona's team, which seamed to play without a midfield. :unsure:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on November 18, 2009, 03:06:39 PM
Go Bosnia  :cool:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 18, 2009, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: Maladict on November 18, 2009, 03:06:39 PM
Go Bosnia  :cool:

Seconded.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on November 18, 2009, 04:29:42 PM
Denmark score three times in eight minutes against the US  :o
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on November 18, 2009, 04:54:12 PM
Ukraine and Russia out, Portugal go through. This is the worst possible outcome  :cry:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on November 18, 2009, 05:05:22 PM
Quote from: Maladict on November 18, 2009, 04:29:42 PM
Denmark score three times in eight minutes against the US  :o

:w00t: :yeah:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on November 18, 2009, 05:28:53 PM
Quote from: Maladict on October 10, 2009, 12:47:15 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 10, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
Russia seems to be by far the strongest team in the play-offs. And they can't face France as those games will be seeded. I think the likelihood of Russia playing in the finals is very high.

Yeah, I know. But Russia might slip up during the play-offs, Germany wouldn't.
Good prediction.  ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on November 18, 2009, 05:34:28 PM
Russia lost? That is LOL....I was just thinking their game wasn't a challenge whilst Ireland had something hard. Wonder how they've done...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on November 18, 2009, 05:36:21 PM
Ireland loses to the French cheaters.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on November 18, 2009, 05:40:09 PM
Quote from: Maladict on November 18, 2009, 04:29:42 PM
Denmark score three times in eight minutes against the US  :o
Was that in a friendly or a meany?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on November 18, 2009, 05:41:47 PM
Friendly. All the teams that are already qualified only have friendlies until the World Cup.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on November 18, 2009, 05:50:13 PM
Quote from: Zanza on November 18, 2009, 05:28:53 PM

Good prediction.  ;)

I hate it when I'm right.  <_<

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on November 18, 2009, 05:51:33 PM
Quote from: Zanza on November 18, 2009, 05:36:21 PM
Ireland loses to the French cheaters.

Yes, that was pretty awful.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: bogh on November 18, 2009, 05:59:24 PM
Down with the yanqui pig dogs. Long live Denmark and our glorious team (who played like poo in the first half, second was ok). Watched the rest of Ireland-France in the pub afterwards - Ireland was rubed!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on November 18, 2009, 06:34:25 PM
The wrong Balkan team went through tonight :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on November 18, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 18, 2009, 05:40:09 PM
Quote from: Maladict on November 18, 2009, 04:29:42 PM
Denmark score three times in eight minutes against the US  :o
Was that in a friendly or a meany?

No idea about the Danes, but US lineup had maybe 3 guys who would start for us in World Cup.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on November 18, 2009, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 18, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
No idea about the Danes, but US lineup had maybe 3 guys who would start for us in World Cup.
How's that African kid doing?  Washed out?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on November 18, 2009, 06:44:06 PM
Eh, kinda sorta, he is playing his club ball in Portugal this year after spending last year on loan in France.
I mean he is only 20 so career isn't in dump yet.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on November 18, 2009, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 18, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
No idea about the Danes, but US lineup had maybe 3 guys who would start for us in World Cup.

It was a pretty weak lineup, but then again our lineup always seem weak.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 18, 2009, 08:34:19 PM
Feel bad about Russia. They were exciting to watch in the Euros. I thought that losing to Germany in Moscow would be their downfall. Russia should never lose to Germany in Moscow.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 19, 2009, 03:13:58 AM
I summon an angry Drogba on the corrupt fuck who refereed the Ireland-France game. What a disgrace

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Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on November 19, 2009, 03:57:00 AM
Quote from: Liep on November 18, 2009, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 18, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
No idea about the Danes, but US lineup had maybe 3 guys who would start for us in World Cup.

It was a pretty weak lineup, but then again our lineup always seem weak.

It was a line up mostly of local league players and players from the youth and Liga national team.. alot of them had debut or second game on national team..

Pretty decent going

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on November 19, 2009, 04:14:35 AM
 :angry: :angry: :angry:

Fucking French cheater Thierry Henry and an idiot referee.


Ireland played great last night it's a real pity we didn't go through.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on November 19, 2009, 04:46:01 AM
I like how fifa completely censors the incident from their site, even though Henry has already freely admitted what he did.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 04:51:25 AM
Quote from: Maladict on November 18, 2009, 04:54:12 PM
Ukraine and Russia out, Portugal go through. This is the worst possible outcome  :cry:
:face: Porkchop hater  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Octavian on November 19, 2009, 05:41:39 AM
Quote from: Cerr on November 19, 2009, 04:14:35 AM
:angry: :angry: :angry:

Fucking French cheater Thierry Henry and an idiot referee.


Ireland played great last night it's a real pity we didn't go through.

What happened?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on November 19, 2009, 06:15:04 AM
Handball, goal, 104th minute.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:22:25 AM
Quote from: Maladict on November 19, 2009, 04:46:01 AM
I like how fifa completely censors the incident from their site, even though Henry has already freely admitted what he did.

He should shut the fuck up, France is now tainted. This is good news for the Portutards, maybe the world will find another team to hate.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 06:39:49 AM
Quote from: Warspite on November 19, 2009, 06:15:04 AM
Handball, goal, 104th minute.

Offside + 2 handballs (first one might have been casual).

Some French fans claim the referee missed a penalty on Anelka just before the goal.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 06:42:49 AM
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:22:25 AM
Quote from: Maladict on November 19, 2009, 04:46:01 AM
I like how fifa completely censors the incident from their site, even though Henry has already freely admitted what he did.

He should shut the fuck up, France is now tainted. This is good news for the Portutards, maybe the world will find another team to hate.

Languish = The World?  :huh:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:57:48 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 06:42:49 AM
Languish = The World?  :huh:

This is what I perceive to be the truth.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 19, 2009, 07:34:35 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 06:42:49 AM
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:22:25 AM
Quote from: Maladict on November 19, 2009, 04:46:01 AM
I like how fifa completely censors the incident from their site, even though Henry has already freely admitted what he did.

He should shut the fuck up, France is now tainted. This is good news for the Portutards, maybe the world will find another team to hate.

Languish = The World?  :huh:


:yes: Most certainly
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 07:50:25 AM
Quote from: Tamas on November 19, 2009, 07:34:35 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 06:42:49 AM
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:22:25 AM
Quote from: Maladict on November 19, 2009, 04:46:01 AM
I like how fifa completely censors the incident from their site, even though Henry has already freely admitted what he did.

He should shut the fuck up, France is now tainted. This is good news for the Portutards, maybe the world will find another team to hate.

Languish = The World?  :huh:


:yes: Most certainly

Maybe more like the gulag, if the country is not represented, it is an irrelevant country  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 19, 2009, 08:12:02 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 07:50:25 AM
Quote from: Tamas on November 19, 2009, 07:34:35 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 06:42:49 AM
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:22:25 AM
Quote from: Maladict on November 19, 2009, 04:46:01 AM
I like how fifa completely censors the incident from their site, even though Henry has already freely admitted what he did.

He should shut the fuck up, France is now tainted. This is good news for the Portutards, maybe the world will find another team to hate.

Languish = The World?  :huh:


:yes: Most certainly

Maybe more like the gulag, if the country is not represented, it is an irrelevant country  :lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 19, 2009, 12:19:03 PM
Henry sure is handy to have around the goal.  After the headbutt of '06 it is only fitting France goes to South Africa and brings controversy with her.

I think Team USA got drugged by cheating Danes during halftime.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 19, 2009, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: Cerr on November 19, 2009, 04:14:35 AM
an idiot referee.

The Handball was hard to spot in real time...but I have no idea how they missed the offsides.  I mean how obvious does it have to be?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on November 19, 2009, 12:27:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 19, 2009, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: Cerr on November 19, 2009, 04:14:35 AM
an idiot referee.

The Handball was hard to spot in real time...but I have no idea how they missed the offsides.  I mean how obvious does it have to be?
Cash sometimes makes the obvious seem less obvious :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Barrister on November 19, 2009, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 07:50:25 AM
Maybe more like the gulag, if the country is not represented, it is an irrelevant country  :lol:

Pfft, even represented countries are irrelevant.

e.g. Hungary
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 19, 2009, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 19, 2009, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 07:50:25 AM
Maybe more like the gulag, if the country is not represented, it is an irrelevant country  :lol:

Pfft, even represented countries are irrelevant.

e.g. Hungary

:mad:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on November 19, 2009, 01:58:28 PM
I hope the IRA will begin attacking French and FIFA targets.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 19, 2009, 06:00:52 PM
Don't know about the IRA, but the FAI (Football Association of Ireland, I'm guessing) is asking FIFA to replay the game. I doubt that would happen.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=700719&sec=worldcup2010&cc=5901
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on November 19, 2009, 06:14:22 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 19, 2009, 06:00:52 PM
Don't know about the IRA, but the FAI (Football Association of Ireland, I'm guessing) is asking FIFA to replay the game. I doubt that would happen.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=700719&sec=worldcup2010&cc=5901
Yeah it's very unlikely FIFA will allow for a replay of the game.

The only chance for it to happen would be if the French football association asked FIFA for a replay too but I highly doubt they would.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on November 19, 2009, 06:25:41 PM
Quote from: Cerr on November 19, 2009, 06:14:22 PM

Yeah it's very unlikely FIFA will allow for a replay of the game.

The only chance for it to happen would be if the French football association asked FIFA for a replay too but I highly doubt they would.

It would be awesome if the French did, and maybe smart too. The world is going to consider them tainted this world cup.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on November 19, 2009, 07:19:25 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 19, 2009, 06:25:41 PM
Quote from: Cerr on November 19, 2009, 06:14:22 PM

Yeah it's very unlikely FIFA will allow for a replay of the game.

The only chance for it to happen would be if the French football association asked FIFA for a replay too but I highly doubt they would.

It would be awesome if the French did, and maybe smart too. The world is going to consider them tainted this world cup.

Yeah.  I'm of course going to be rooting for the U.S., though I know it's hopeless, but now I know who I'm going to root against.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on November 19, 2009, 07:53:57 PM
Are there other examples of unwritten rules in footy?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on November 19, 2009, 08:02:49 PM
Quote from: dps on November 19, 2009, 07:19:25 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 19, 2009, 06:25:41 PM
Quote from: Cerr on November 19, 2009, 06:14:22 PM

Yeah it's very unlikely FIFA will allow for a replay of the game.

The only chance for it to happen would be if the French football association asked FIFA for a replay too but I highly doubt they would.

It would be awesome if the French did, and maybe smart too. The world is going to consider them tainted this world cup.

Yeah.  I'm of course going to be rooting for the U.S., though I know it's hopeless, but now I know who I'm going to root against.
If the final is France and Italy again, what do you do?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on November 19, 2009, 08:18:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 19, 2009, 07:53:57 PM
Are there other examples of unwritten rules in footy?

Like which one?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on November 19, 2009, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: The Larch on November 19, 2009, 08:18:45 PM
Like which one?
Not sure.  On the one hand (ha ha) I can understand the bitching about the ref missing an important call.  But on the other hand people are pissing on France too.  It seems like there might be an unwritten rule that France is supposed to do something to make up for the missed call.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on November 19, 2009, 08:28:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 19, 2009, 08:25:44 PMNot sure.  On the one hand (ha ha) I can understand the bitching about the ref missing an important call.  But on the other hand people are pissing on France too.  It seems like there might be an unwritten rule that France is supposed to do something to make up for the missed call.

There isn't.  That's just outrage and wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on November 19, 2009, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 19, 2009, 08:28:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 19, 2009, 08:25:44 PMNot sure.  On the one hand (ha ha) I can understand the bitching about the ref missing an important call.  But on the other hand people are pissing on France too.  It seems like there might be an unwritten rule that France is supposed to do something to make up for the missed call.

There isn't.  That's just outrage and wishful thinking.
Indeed.  'Hand of God', and all that.

That said, the beneficiaries of these sorts of errors tend to be forever tainted.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on November 19, 2009, 10:24:10 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 19, 2009, 08:02:49 PM
If the final is France and Italy again, what do you do?

Watch Seinfeld on DVD.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on November 19, 2009, 10:39:30 PM
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2009, 10:24:10 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 19, 2009, 08:02:49 PM
If the final is France and Italy again, what do you do?

Watch Seinfeld on DVD.
Ouch.  The one thing worse than France-Italy.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on November 20, 2009, 04:20:47 AM
Quote from: Barrister on November 19, 2009, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 19, 2009, 07:50:25 AM
Maybe more like the gulag, if the country is not represented, it is an irrelevant country  :lol:

Pfft, even represented countries are irrelevant.

e.g. Hungary

Sorry, their treatment at Trianon made their fame here :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: BVN on November 20, 2009, 06:14:40 AM
Fifa ruled against replaying France-Ireland: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1137489.html#fifa+statement+fai+request (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1137489.html#fifa+statement+fai+request)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on November 20, 2009, 06:25:00 AM
Quote from: BVN on November 20, 2009, 06:14:40 AM
Fifa ruled against replaying France-Ireland: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1137489.html#fifa+statement+fai+request (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1137489.html#fifa+statement+fai+request)

How surprising... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 08:15:30 AM
Yeah, with a French boss, it was quite likely.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: BVN on November 20, 2009, 06:14:40 AM
Fifa ruled against replaying France-Ireland: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1137489.html#fifa+statement+fai+request (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1137489.html#fifa+statement+fai+request)

That would have been crazy to do so.  It is not like anybody has never been beaten by a goal that shouldn't have been before.  Referee incompetence is not a justification to overturn a game result or there would be scarcely any game that wouldn't be challenged by somebody.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 08:15:30 AM
Yeah, with a French boss, it was quite likely.

Are you insane?  Are you seriously suggesting any fair minded person with the best interests of the sport at heart would actually replay a game simply because the referees screwed up?

Talk about opening a gigantic can of worms.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cerr on November 19, 2009, 06:14:22 PM
Yeah it's very unlikely FIFA will allow for a replay of the game.

The only chance for it to happen would be if the French football association asked FIFA for a replay too but I highly doubt they would.

Wait would FIFA actually allow that even if France did?  That is crazy, simply crazy.  It sucks the dude blew the call but really?  Replay a game?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 20, 2009, 03:48:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 08:15:30 AM
Yeah, with a French boss, it was quite likely.

Are you insane?  Are you seriously suggesting any fair minded person with the best interests of the sport at heart would actually replay a game simply because the referees screwed up?

Talk about opening a gigantic can of worms.

A can of worms that has already been opened though.

FIFA ordered Uzbekistan to replay Bahrain in a play-off for the 2006 World Cup in Germany after the referee made a mistake when a penalty had been awarded.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: BVN on November 20, 2009, 06:14:40 AM
Fifa ruled against replaying France-Ireland: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1137489.html#fifa+statement+fai+request (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1137489.html#fifa+statement+fai+request)

That would have been crazy to do so.  It is not like anybody has never been beaten by a goal that shouldn't have been before.  Referee incompetence is not a justification to overturn a game result or there would be scarcely any game that wouldn't be challenged by somebody.

I agree, but if both sides ask to do so, why not? Both sides are going to play all sorts of totally meaningless friendlies anyway.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 20, 2009, 03:54:23 PM
New developments. Maybe Henry should keep his mouth shut, but he's now saying that Ireland deserve a replay. Maybe its merely a form of public apology, knowing full well that it will never happen

Thierry Henry has conceded that Republic of Ireland "definitely deserve" to qualify for the World Cup finals and has backed calls for a replay, even though FIFA have already ruled out such a scenario.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=701150&sec=worldcup2010&cc=5901
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 03:58:15 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 20, 2009, 03:48:43 PM
A can of worms that has already been opened though.

FIFA ordered Uzbekistan to replay Bahrain in a play-off for the 2006 World Cup in Germany after the referee made a mistake when a penalty had been awarded.

Wow.

Horrible precedent.  They don't replay games just because a player made a mistake, why would they do the same thing for referees?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 03:49:43 PM
I agree, but if both sides ask to do so, why not? Both sides are going to play all sorts of totally meaningless friendlies anyway.

Because the game was played and the outcome decided the same way it was for all the other teams?  This is World Cup Soccer not some pee wee good feelings league.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:02:59 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 03:59:34 PM


Because the game was played and the outcome decided the same way it was for all the other teams?  This is World Cup Soccer not some pee wee good feelings league.

What harm is there in setting the precedent that if there is a clearly missed call that effects the outcome of the game, and both sides agree to a replay, there can be a replay?

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:02:59 PM
What harm is there in setting the precedent that if there is a clearly missed call that effects the outcome of the game, and both sides agree to a replay, there can be a replay?

Tons of harm.  There will be tons of political and other pressures on countries to replay games from the pissed off losers everytime a ref blows a call.  Refs blow calls, it is part of the game, deal with it FFS.  I mean I know Ireland got screwed but surely France and every other nation in the world has been screwed at some point.  If you don't want Refs determining the outcomes of your games maybe you should be better at soccer and be ahead by two goals instead of one.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:06:20 PM
What this should be a trigger for then, is introduction of video-refeering in some way. It is absurd that everyone in the crowd and in front of the TV could very well see wtf was happening but the ref couldnt.

Altough, of course, the lineman had to see it. He just obviously did not dare destroy France with his call.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:02:59 PM
What harm is there in setting the precedent that if there is a clearly missed call that effects the outcome of the game, and both sides agree to a replay, there can be a replay?

Tons of harm.  There will be tons of political and other pressures on countries to replay games from the pissed off losers everytime a ref blows a call.  Refs blow calls, it is part of the game, deal with it FFS.  I mean I know Ireland got screwed but surely France and every other nation in the world has been screwed at some point.  If you don't want Refs determining the outcomes of your games maybe you should be better at soccer and be ahead by two goals instead of one.


Obviously you do have a point, but this was probably the most blatant and obvious 4-way fault by a player I have ever seen (2 offsides, 2 handballs). This is not just a simple blunder by the ref. It is a mind-blowing oversight that just screams foul intent and "political" considerations by the ref.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:06:20 PM
What this should be a trigger for then, is introduction of video-refeering in some way. It is absurd that everyone in the crowd and in front of the TV could very well see wtf was happening but the ref couldnt.

Altough, of course, the lineman had to see it. He just obviously did not dare destroy France with his call.

Video replay is a perfectly acceptable option.  Of course the game would have to stop for several minutes while they do the review and you know how soccer purists hate stopping the game for any reason.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:08:05 PM
Obviously you do have a point, but this was probably the most blatant and obvious 4-way fault by a player I have ever seen (2 offsides, 2 handballs). This is not just a simple blunder by the ref. It is a mind-blowing oversight that just screams foul intent and "political" considerations by the ref.

I agree it was mindblowing and I feel for Ireland (of course mind you France might have qualified anyway.  It was TIED at 1 which is why I find it difficult to believe a referee would risk his career just to save France when France was not really in need of help.  Of course we will never know now how the match would have played out).

Frankly the dude should never officiate another game again.  The whole crew should be disciplined for incompetence is not corruption.  How the hell they missed the offsides...I mean that would have been called in a High School girls game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:15:27 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:08:05 PM
Obviously you do have a point, but this was probably the most blatant and obvious 4-way fault by a player I have ever seen (2 offsides, 2 handballs). This is not just a simple blunder by the ref. It is a mind-blowing oversight that just screams foul intent and "political" considerations by the ref.

I agree it was mindblowing and I feel for Ireland (of course mind you France might have qualified anyway.  It was TIED at 1 which is why I find it difficult to believe a referee would risk his career just to save France when France was not really in need of help.  Of course we will never know now how the match would have played out).

Frankly the dude should never officiate another game again.  The whole crew should be disciplined for incompetence is not corruption.  How the hell they missed the offsides...I mean that would have been called in a High School girls game.

France played like crap the whole time. They needed all the help they could get. Why do you think Henry was so desperate that he handballed twice? Okay, you might convince me the first was by accident, but the second was clearly a conscious effort to control the ball.

And this would be far from being the first time to see some unkown referee used in sport-politically important matches to stear the result if needed. The best examples are the games during the WC in Korea: what they did to Italy and Spain there forever tainted the international games.

Speaking of which, I want these competitions to cease.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:15:27 PM
France played like crap the whole time. They needed all the help they could get. Why do you think Henry was so desperate that he handballed twice? Okay, you might convince me the first was by accident, but the second was clearly a conscious effort to control the ball.

Yet they were still tied.  France is just not that good this time around that is why they were in this position to begin with.  But it was not as if if the Refs didn't bail them out Ireland would have whipped 'em by three.

QuoteSpeaking of which, I want these competitions to cease.

World Cup competitions? :huh:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:05:19 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:02:59 PM
What harm is there in setting the precedent that if there is a clearly missed call that effects the outcome of the game, and both sides agree to a replay, there can be a replay?

Tons of harm.  There will be tons of political and other pressures on countries to replay games from the pissed off losers everytime a ref blows a call.  Refs blow calls, it is part of the game, deal with it FFS.  I mean I know Ireland got screwed but surely France and every other nation in the world has been screwed at some point.  If you don't want Refs determining the outcomes of your games maybe you should be better at soccer and be ahead by two goals instead of one.

Aren't there already prohibitions concerning excessive political interference that can result in a federation's suspension by FIFA?

There are precedents in other sports--playing baseball games under protest is an example. In american football the sport is too violent to replay, but I do believe there is precedent for teams voluntarily forfeiting games that they won based on clear refereeing errors.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:15:27 PM
France played like crap the whole time. They needed all the help they could get. Why do you think Henry was so desperate that he handballed twice? Okay, you might convince me the first was by accident, but the second was clearly a conscious effort to control the ball.

Yet they were still tied.  France is just not that good this time around that is why they were in this position to begin with.  But it was not as if if the Refs didn't bail them out Ireland would have whipped 'em by three.

QuoteSpeaking of which, I want these competitions to cease.

World Cup competitions? :huh:

:rolleyes: How many shots on goal did the Frenchies have until that point? The ref faced a decision there: piss of Ireland, or potentially piss of a major faction at his workplace, including his boss. He made a call.

And yes, international games are growing ever more pointless with (luckily) more international clubs. There should rather be a system to sort of expand the Champions Leauge or something.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:19:23 PM
There are precedents in other sports--playing baseball games under protest is an example. In american football the sport is too violent to replay, but I do believe there is precedent for teams voluntarily forfeiting games that they won based on clear refereeing errors.

There are only two examples I can ever think of in baseball history and neither of those replayed the game.  They simply finished a game that was called for bizarre reasons.  Those two incidents I can think of are the Merkel Boner game way back in 1908 and the Pine Tar incident with George Brett in the 70s.  In neither case did they take an entire game already played and declare it invalid.  I can never think of that happening in any sport at any level over here.

In College Football I believe Harvard asked to be allowed to forfeit a game they won on bad calls but whatever the ruling body was back then did not let them.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
:rolleyes: How many shots on goal did the Frenchies have until that point? The ref faced a decision there: piss of Ireland, or potentially piss of a major faction at his workplace, including his boss. He made a call.

Last I checked you score by getting the ball into the goal not by missing the goal.  Sure France would have been pissed off if he had called an obvious call.  What were they going to do?  Have him shot?

By the way one of the things that pisses me off about soccer fans is how they claim a team "dominated" a game they were ahead by a single goal.  Yeah that is not domination I don't care how pretty you looked getting that 1-0 lead.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:19:23 PM
There are precedents in other sports--playing baseball games under protest is an example. In american football the sport is too violent to replay, but I do believe there is precedent for teams voluntarily forfeiting games that they won based on clear refereeing errors.

There are only two examples I can ever think of in baseball history and neither of those replayed the game.  They simply finished a game that was called for bizarre reasons.  Those two incidents I can think of are the Merkel Boner game way back in 1908 and the Pine Tar incident with George Brett in the 70s.  In neither case did they take an entire game already played and declare it invalid.  I can never think of that happening in any sport at any level over here.

In College Football I believe Harvard asked to be allowed to forfeit a game they won on bad calls but whatever the ruling body was back then did not let them.

From the MLB website:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/start_end_4.jsp
Quote4.19
PROTESTING GAMES.
Each league shall adopt rules governing procedure for protesting a game, when a manager claims that an umpire's decision is in violation of these rules. No protest shall ever be permitted on judgment decisions by the umpire. In all protested games, the decision of the League President shall be final.
Even if it is held that the protested decision violated the rules, no replay of the game will be ordered unless in the opinion of the League President the violation adversely affected the protesting team's chances of winning the game.
Rule 4.19 Comment: Whenever a manager protests a game because of alleged misapplication of the rules the protest will not be recognized unless the umpires are notified at the time the play under protest occurs and before the next pitch, play or attempted play. A protest arising on a game-ending play may be filed until 12 noon the following day with the league office.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on November 20, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
And yes, international games are growing ever more pointless with (luckily) more international clubs. There should rather be a system to sort of expand the Champions Leauge or something.

You're out of your mind. World Cup and Euro Cup are amongst the biggest sporting events there are. There's nothing pointless about them.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: The Larch on November 20, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
And yes, international games are growing ever more pointless with (luckily) more international clubs. There should rather be a system to sort of expand the Champions Leauge or something.

You're out of your mind. World Cup and Euro Cup are amongst the biggest sporting events there are. There's nothing pointless about them.

Okay, after a downspell the last couple ones were pretty entertaining. I would just like more focus on high-end club competitions, rather.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:33:44 PM
And a quick search finds this:

Not everyone can have the integrity of Cornell, however.  :)

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2005/too-deep-zone-5th-and-40

QuoteTimes had changed since 1940, when Cornell traveled to Dartmouth boasting an 18-game winning streak. Dartmouth led 3-0 late in the game on a Bob Krieger field goal (Do it, Bobby, do it!) when Cornell drove down to the five-yard line. Referee Red Friesell lost track of the downs at that point, and the Big Red scored on what turned out to be fifth down.

But the Cornell coaches spotted the mistake two days later when reviewing game films. The coaches allowed the players to vote on what to do next. They gallantly forfeited the game, congratulating Dartmouth of their victory by telegram. The official records state that the Cornell winning streak was snapped by a 3-0 loss to Dartmouth. You can look it up.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on November 20, 2009, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: The Larch on November 20, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
And yes, international games are growing ever more pointless with (luckily) more international clubs. There should rather be a system to sort of expand the Champions Leauge or something.

You're out of your mind. World Cup and Euro Cup are amongst the biggest sporting events there are. There's nothing pointless about them.

Okay, after a downspell the last couple ones were pretty entertaining. I would just like more focus on high-end club competitions, rather.

Like what?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sahib on November 20, 2009, 04:38:03 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:32:40 PM
Okay, after a downspell the last couple ones were pretty entertaining. I would just like more focus on high-end club competitions, rather.

Is this because Hungary sucks as footballing nations and you claim to be a Chelsky fan
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:38:14 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:33:44 PM
And a quick search finds this:

Not everyone can have the integrity of Cornell, however.  :)

Cornell and Harvard!  See the Ivy League really is full of gentlemen.

But even in that case Cornell scored the winning score coming from behind.  In this case France was tied.  It would be weird conceding they would have lost without that goal since they cannot know that for sure.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:39:47 PM
Quote from: The Larch on November 20, 2009, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: The Larch on November 20, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
And yes, international games are growing ever more pointless with (luckily) more international clubs. There should rather be a system to sort of expand the Champions Leauge or something.

You're out of your mind. World Cup and Euro Cup are amongst the biggest sporting events there are. There's nothing pointless about them.

Okay, after a downspell the last couple ones were pretty entertaining. I would just like more focus on high-end club competitions, rather.

Like what?

Maybe something like a European super leauge? Like, national first leauges would be like the second division for it. The first X from a given one could advance to it, and, say, the second half of the super leauge would "relegate" to play one season in their national leauge. Something like that.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:40:06 PM
Quote from: Sahib on November 20, 2009, 04:38:03 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:32:40 PM
Okay, after a downspell the last couple ones were pretty entertaining. I would just like more focus on high-end club competitions, rather.

Is this because Hungary sucks as footballing nations and you claim to be a Chelsky fan

Maybe in part :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pat on November 20, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
There's tons of focus on club competition  :huh:

And national teams is about the best players a country can produce, while club competitions are mostly about having the most money. Doesn't have as much soul.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pat on November 20, 2009, 04:40:59 PM
A Chelsea fan? I guess that explains it  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: miglia on November 20, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
There's tons of focus on club competition  :huh:

And national teams is about the best players a country can produce, while club competitions are mostly about having the most money. Doesn't have as much soul.

The big problem is all the big clubs and top leagues are in Europe right now.  It just wouldn't have the same appeal and certainly not over here.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: miglia on November 20, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
There's tons of focus on club competition  :huh:

And national teams is about the best players a country can produce, while club competitions are mostly about having the most money. Doesn't have as much soul.

:rolleyes: even youth training is becoming less tied to where the guy was born nowadays, especially on a world-wide level. And in Europe if you become really great, you play in France, Italy, Spain or England by your late teens.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:42:57 PM
Quote from: miglia on November 20, 2009, 04:40:59 PM
A Chelsea fan? I guess that explains it  :lol:

Now that the team is good again, the bitter envy resurfaces, I see  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on November 20, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:39:47 PM
Quote from: The Larch on November 20, 2009, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: The Larch on November 20, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
And yes, international games are growing ever more pointless with (luckily) more international clubs. There should rather be a system to sort of expand the Champions Leauge or something.

You're out of your mind. World Cup and Euro Cup are amongst the biggest sporting events there are. There's nothing pointless about them.

Okay, after a downspell the last couple ones were pretty entertaining. I would just like more focus on high-end club competitions, rather.

Like what?

Maybe something like a European super leauge? Like, national first leauges would be like the second division for it. The first X from a given one could advance to it, and, say, the second half of the super leauge would "relegate" to play one season in their national leauge. Something like that.

How's that different from the Champions League? Isn't that enough?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pat on November 20, 2009, 04:46:17 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: miglia on November 20, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
There's tons of focus on club competition  :huh:

And national teams is about the best players a country can produce, while club competitions are mostly about having the most money. Doesn't have as much soul.

:rolleyes: even youth training is becoming less tied to where the guy was born nowadays, especially on a world-wide level. And in Europe if you become really great, you play in France, Italy, Spain or England by your late teens.


First of all I think players playing for a country other than the one they were born in should be severly restricted, second of all players switching countries is not something happening on a very large scale in Europe
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:48:15 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:38:14 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:33:44 PM
And a quick search finds this:

Not everyone can have the integrity of Cornell, however.  :)

Cornell and Harvard!  See the Ivy League really is full of gentlemen.

But even in that case Cornell scored the winning score coming from behind.  In this case France was tied.  It would be weird conceding they would have lost without that goal since they cannot know that for sure.

The suggestion that France should concede and give up their WC spot to Ireland is silly.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:48:15 PM
The suggestion that France should concede and give up their WC spot to Ireland is silly.

Can you imagine if they did?  That would be awesome :frog:

They could say it is in repayment for the heroics of the Irish Brigade during the Napoleonic Wars :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: miglia on November 20, 2009, 04:46:17 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: miglia on November 20, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
There's tons of focus on club competition  :huh:

And national teams is about the best players a country can produce, while club competitions are mostly about having the most money. Doesn't have as much soul.

:rolleyes: even youth training is becoming less tied to where the guy was born nowadays, especially on a world-wide level. And in Europe if you become really great, you play in France, Italy, Spain or England by your late teens.


First of all I think players playing for a country other than the one they were born in should be severly restricted, second of all players switching countries is not something happening on a very large scale in Europe

You see this sentiment is a problem. Why should it be restricted? If you want the European nations to accept each other and work together, you need to mix them. Some typical bum who is crazy for football will never care for some government PR campaign, but nowadays can see a black African, and a Dutch, a French, etc. play their hearts out for his favourite club.
This process should not be blocked.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pat on November 20, 2009, 04:55:41 PM
I was talking about players switching national teams
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 05:20:40 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 20, 2009, 04:52:57 PM
You see this sentiment is a problem. Why should it be restricted? If you want the European nations to accept each other and work together, you need to mix them. Some typical bum who is crazy for football will never care for some government PR campaign, but nowadays can see a black African, and a Dutch, a French, etc. play their hearts out for his favourite club.
This process should not be blocked.

National teams is unique to Soccer at the scale it is at.  Why do you want to destroy the most unique thing about the sport?  I mean every.  other.  sport.  is all about the club teams.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 20, 2009, 04:48:15 PM
The suggestion that France should concede and give up their WC spot to Ireland is silly.

Can you imagine if they did?  That would be awesome :frog:

They could say it is in repayment for the heroics of the Irish Brigade during the Napoleonic Wars :P

It would make an equal amount of sense for the US to give Ireland their World Cup spot as a repayment for giving us the excuse to get drunk that is St. Patrick's Day. Which we shouldn't mention outside of this thread, because a lot of Americans may be okay with that.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on December 02, 2009, 07:11:01 AM
South Africa 2010 draw

Seeds: South Africa, Brazil, Spain, Holland, Italy, Germany, Argentina and England

Pot two: Australia, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Honduras, Mexico, USA and New Zealand

Pot three: Algeria, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay

Pot four: Denmark, France, Greece, Portugal, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia and Switzerland
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on December 02, 2009, 07:14:31 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 20, 2009, 05:20:40 PM
National teams is unique to Soccer at the scale it is at.  Why do you want to destroy the most unique thing about the sport?  I mean every.  other.  sport.  is all about the club teams.

Apart from Rugby and Cricket, where the most watched events are international tests. :p
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on December 02, 2009, 07:38:05 AM
Quote from: miglia on November 20, 2009, 04:40:12 PM
There's tons of focus on club competition  :huh:

And national teams is about the best players a country can produce, while club competitions are mostly about having the most money. Doesn't have as much soul.
Which, in turn, is about having the most money.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on December 02, 2009, 07:38:33 AM
South Africa, Denmark, North Korea and Paraguay. I'd like that group.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on December 02, 2009, 07:40:21 AM
Quote from: Liep on December 02, 2009, 07:38:33 AM
South Africa, Denmark, North Korea and Paraguay. I'd like that group.

What about Brazil, France/Portugal, Ivory Coast and USA?  :menace:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 02, 2009, 07:50:38 AM
Quote from: Maladict on December 02, 2009, 07:40:21 AM
Quote from: Liep on December 02, 2009, 07:38:33 AM
South Africa, Denmark, North Korea and Paraguay. I'd like that group.

What about Brazil, France/Portugal, Ivory Coast and USA?  :menace:

Wait until Friday :yes:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 02, 2009, 09:05:22 AM
Quote from: Warspite on December 02, 2009, 07:14:31 AM
Apart from Rugby and Cricket, where the most watched events are international tests. :p

WTF is an international test?

Ok my knowledge of Rugby and Cricket is about on the same level as my knowledge of the Afghan sport of Buzkashi.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:08:44 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 02, 2009, 09:05:22 AM
Quote from: Warspite on December 02, 2009, 07:14:31 AM
Apart from Rugby and Cricket, where the most watched events are international tests. :pjavascript:void(0);

WTF is an international test?

A game between two national teams.  ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 02, 2009, 09:17:38 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:08:44 AM
A game between two national teams.  ;)

Oh.  Weird never heard that term for a game before.  I guess it is short for 'contest'.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:18:52 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 02, 2009, 09:17:38 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:08:44 AM
A game between two national teams.  ;)

Oh.  Weird never heard that term for a game before.  I guess it is short for 'contest'.

It's a British thingie, and only for rugby and cricket AFAIK. In rugby it also means that the match is a friendly and not part of any competition as well. No idea what it means for cricket.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 03, 2009, 10:43:40 AM
So as an England fan and diehard pessimist, I predict:


England
Mexico
Ivory Coast
France.

Yuck.

And my most hated team Germany:

Germany
North Korea
Paraguay
Switzerland.
:eek:

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on December 03, 2009, 10:46:51 AM
I want North Korea.
Both because they suck and it would likely lead to the British media having some intersting things to say.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on December 03, 2009, 11:00:52 AM
Quote from: Josephus on December 03, 2009, 10:43:40 AM
Germany
North Korea
Paraguay
Switzerland.
:eek:

I'm glad you didn't choose Denmark as poorest from seed 4. :hug:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on December 03, 2009, 11:55:59 AM
Quote from: Josephus on December 03, 2009, 10:43:40 AM
So as an England fan and diehard pessimist, I predict:


England
Mexico
Ivory Coast
France.

Yuck.

And my most hated team Germany:

Germany
North Korea
Paraguay
Switzerland.
:eek:

I predict South Africa will miraculously avoid both France and Portugal.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 02:43:05 AM
Very soon we will find out which three poor suckers get to be humiliated by the mighty Americans in the first round.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on December 04, 2009, 03:51:35 AM
Noon EST on ESPN2.  Unfortunately, I won't get to watch most of it.   :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on December 04, 2009, 07:32:11 AM
Why does everyone rate Ivory Coast so highly? Have they ever achieved anything?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on December 04, 2009, 07:41:02 AM
Quote from: Maladict on December 04, 2009, 07:32:11 AM
Why does everyone rate Ivory Coast so highly? Have they ever achieved anything?

Not as a team, but the material they have to work with is pretty good.. Toure, Drogba and so on

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 04, 2009, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: Maladict on December 04, 2009, 07:32:11 AM
Why does everyone rate Ivory Coast so highly? Have they ever achieved anything?

They're quite probably the best African team, and have some really great players, like Drogba, amongst the world's best strikers.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on December 04, 2009, 08:37:35 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 04, 2009, 08:30:28 AM

They're quite probably the best African team, and have some really great players, like Drogba, amongst the world's best strikers.

And most annoying strikers, which is saying a lot.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 04, 2009, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: Maladict on December 04, 2009, 07:32:11 AM
Why does everyone rate Ivory Coast so highly? Have they ever achieved anything?

1. It wouldn't surprise me to see an African team do well because A), they've been narrowing the gap for years and B) It's being held in Africa.

2. Ivory Coast has one of the greatest strikers in the world in Drogba
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 09:44:23 AM
Quote from: Josephus on December 04, 2009, 08:40:35 AM
A), they've been narrowing the gap for years

And we do mean for years.  We have been warned of the imminent African domination of the sport for 40 years now.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 12:13:07 PM
Aaaaand we are drawing.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 12:19:55 PM
Wait WTF?  They are not actually going to draw any teams for another 45 minutes?  Nevermind back to work.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 12:49:21 PM
I already had somebody calling me all excited thinking our draw was:

Australia
Honduras
Japan
Mexico
New Zealand
North Korea
South Korea
United States

Yeah that is our POOL not our group.  Pity.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 04, 2009, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 12:19:55 PM
Wait WTF?  They are not actually going to draw any teams for another 45 minutes?  Nevermind back to work.

You know how these things go. The drawing itself takes 10 minutes, and the rest of the 2 hour show is spent with traditional dances feel good clips and introducing former stars and players who get to wave to the cameras for a while.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 01:25:08 PM
And of course the Mexicans luck out and get South Africa as their top seed.  :mad:

However the English draw the USA!  Prepare to be owned again mothercountry!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 01:36:47 PM
Wow that draw couldn't have gone much better for the US:

England
United States
Algeria
Slovenia

We have a great chance to get out of that group!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 01:38:33 PM
Ooooooh Portugal, Brazil, and Ivory Coast in the same group.  Sucks to be North Korea...well yes it does but now it really sucks for their soccer team also...

Final draw:

A
South Africa 
Mexico 
Uruguay 
France 

B
Argentina 
Nigeria 
South Korea 
Greece 

C
England 
United States 
Algeria 
Slovenia 

D
Germany 
Australia 
Serbia 
Ghana 

E
Netherlands 
Denmark 
Japan 
Cameroon 

F
Italy 
Paraguay 
New Zealand 
Slovakia 

G
Brazil 
North Korea 
Ivory Coast 
Portugal 

H
Spain 
Switzerland 
Honduras 
Chile 
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on December 04, 2009, 01:40:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 01:38:33 PM
Ooooooh Portugal, Brazil, and Ivory Coast in the same group.  Sucks to be North Korea...well yes it does but now it really sucks for their soccer team also...

Well Portugal is a shadow of the team 10 years ago and IC was better a few years ago IIRC.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Mr.Penguin on December 04, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
Where is Ireland... oh wait, never mind...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on December 04, 2009, 01:42:49 PM
Doesnt seem to be any groups of death this year.

Here is to Spain as winners and breaking the curse.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Grey Fox on December 04, 2009, 01:43:15 PM
Go England!

Group A is a joke.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on December 04, 2009, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on December 04, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
Where is Ireland... oh wait, never mind...

Ireland could get through the group France is in, too.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 04, 2009, 01:45:30 PM
Spain got an easy group, not being first would be a huge let down. And it'd mean playing most surely against Brazil in the 1/8ths, which would be tough.  :face:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on December 04, 2009, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 01:38:33 PM
E
Netherlands 
Denmark 
Japan 
Cameroon

We can do that, as Holland will yet again manage to find a new way to let down Holland. And surprising that there really isn't any power group this time, G would've been a contender with Mexico instead of NK.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 04, 2009, 01:43:15 PM
Go England!

:angry:

England shall be CRUSHED beneath America's mightiness!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 04, 2009, 01:50:19 PM
And this is my guess for the teams that will get through the group stage:

Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 01:38:33 PM

A
Mexico 
France 

B
Argentina 
Nigeria 

C
England 
United States 

D
Germany 
Serbia 

E
Netherlands 
Cameroon 

F
Italy 
Paraguay 

G
Brazil 
Ivory Coast  or Portugal 

H
Spain 
Chile

Group G is really the only one in which 3 teams can realistically get through, IMO. E can also see Cameroon and Denmark battling for the 2nd spot, but I think Cameroon are ahead.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on December 04, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
Where is Ireland... oh wait, never mind...

It would  be hilarious if France won it.  How bitter would the Irish be then?

I mean not that there is much chance of that happening or anything...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on December 04, 2009, 03:01:41 PM
So, if we manage to beat IC and finsih second we'll be drawn against Spain (assuming that they naturally finish in 1st).

What a great draw... <_<
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on December 04, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
I'm gonna go with these.

A
South Africa
Mexico
Uruguay
France

B
Argentina
Nigeria
South Korea
Greece

C
England
United States
Algeria
Slovenia

D
Germany
Australia
Serbia
Ghana

E
Netherlands
Denmark
Japan
Cameroon

F
Italy
Paraguay
New Zealand
Slovakia

G
Brazil
North Korea
Ivory Coast
Portugal

H
Spain
Switzerland
Honduras
Chile  
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sahib on December 04, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
I think I'll adopt America as my WC nation.
USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 05:05:51 PM
Quote from: Sahib on December 04, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
I think I'll adopt America as my WC nation.
USA! USA! USA!

:hug:

Oh and Slovenia really?  What about the Confederations Cup?  Respect!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on December 04, 2009, 06:04:04 PM
I got pretty excited today when I learned of the US's group. Plus I think the US is in it's usual uptick cycle.

'94 - Up (first time to qualify in centuries, great just to make it to Round of 16)
'98 - Down (Spanked, by Iran no less :bleeding:)
'02 - Up (Quarterfinal action :yeah:)
'06 - Down (Spanked again)
'10 - ??? (hopefully up)

We should be able to make it to the second round, where there's a good chance we'd play Germany in a rematch of the 2002 quarterfinal.

Valmy, I suggest synergizing as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 04, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
Group G is certainly the group of death. couldn't be a better drawing for us Porto haters!!

People are certainly underestimating Slovenia. Didn't they beat the Russkies. IIRC they have an imprenetable defence, and England doesn't exactly have poerful forwards. The Usa will always be a challenge to beat. I think it's a three-way run for those two spots. It's no group of death or anything, but close enough.

Fucking Italians got a nice break. As did the Spaniards.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 04, 2009, 06:04:04 PM
I got pretty excited today when I learned of the US's group. Plus I think the US is in it's usual uptick cycle.

'94 - Up (first time to qualify in centuries, great just to make it to Round of 16)
'98 - Down (Spanked, by Iran no less :bleeding:)
'02 - Up (Quarterfinal action :yeah:)
'06 - Down (Spanked again)
'10 - ??? (hopefully up)

This actually supports your theory but the US did qualify in '90 and went 0-3.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on December 04, 2009, 07:33:15 PM

Oh yeah, forgot about '90.  :blush:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 07:37:51 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 04, 2009, 07:33:15 PM

Oh yeah, forgot about '90.  :blush:

Which is totally understandable as it was a very forgetable performance.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on December 04, 2009, 07:38:28 PM
What's Cameroon like these days?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on December 04, 2009, 07:54:23 PM
Quote from: Josephus on December 04, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
Group G is certainly the group of death. couldn't be a better drawing for us Porto haters!!
:cry:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 04, 2009, 11:01:29 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 04, 2009, 07:38:28 PM
What's Cameroon like these days?

An awesome striker, a few recognizeable names and that's it, basically.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on December 05, 2009, 01:22:22 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 04, 2009, 07:33:15 PM

Oh yeah, forgot about '90.  :blush:

And technically, in '94 we didn't qualify;  we got in as the host nation.

Anyway, my provisional picks to advance:

A
Mexico
Uraguay

B
Argentina
Nigeria

C
England
United States

D
Germany
Serbia

E
Netherlands
Denmark

F
Italy
Slovakia

G
Brazil
Ivory Coast

F
Spain
Chile
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on December 05, 2009, 04:36:38 AM
Group G is interesting, 3 teams that are tipped to go all the way in one group....I guess Ivory Coast go out. Unfortunatly.

Anyone know if they're doing anything about those annoying horns (visulas? something like that)
They ruined that little tournament last summer.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on December 05, 2009, 08:15:16 AM
I think Japan will advance and Denmark won't.  Denmark doesn't have any heart.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Mr.Penguin on December 05, 2009, 09:22:25 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 05, 2009, 08:15:16 AM
I think Japan will advance and Denmark won't.  Denmark doesn't have any heart.

Japan may have the heart and some technical finesse, but Denmark has physical strength and some technical finesse. Question is does physical strength beat heart, yes it does more often than not... 
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on December 05, 2009, 10:18:00 AM
Denmark also has fans willing to get their team disqualified if they know the ref's are out to get them - that is the blindly stupid passion one expects in futbol.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 10:25:22 AM
When does the actual festivus begin?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Mr.Penguin on December 05, 2009, 10:27:24 AM
Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2009, 10:18:00 AM
Denmark also has fans willing to get their team disqualified if they know the ref's are out to get them - that is the blindly stupid passion one expects in futbol.

He was a renegade living in Sweden...  :mad:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on December 05, 2009, 11:02:13 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 10:25:22 AM
When does the actual festivus begin?
June 11th
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on December 05, 2009, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 05:05:51 PM
Quote from: Sahib on December 04, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
I think I'll adopt America as my WC nation.
USA! USA! USA!

:hug:

Oh and Slovenia really?  What about the Confederations Cup?  Respect!

The Confederations Cup is a mere money-making scheme nobody cares about. As for Slovenia, you should never underestimate former Yugos. There's always been a lot of talent over there. That been said, I'd like to see England crushed and the US going forward along with Slovenia.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on December 06, 2009, 09:34:47 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 05, 2009, 02:47:23 PM
The Confederations Cup is a mere money-making scheme nobody cares about. As for Slovenia, you should never underestimate former Yugos. There's always been a lot of talent over there. That been said, I'd like to see England crushed and the US going forward along with Slovenia.

:yes:
That's why I picked Slovenia, they'll get a surprise win, could well be against England.
But England should be able to advance, so the US needs to go.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 07, 2009, 03:31:17 AM
Domenech a un bol de cocu, ça ou Platini a encore frappé !  :menace:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Vise on December 07, 2009, 04:02:40 AM
Apparently both Defoe and Lampard fail at penalties this weekend. 

Was Defoe's miss:

A bad attempt by an English striker?

A great save by an American Goaltender?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on December 07, 2009, 04:14:12 PM
Quote from: Vise on December 07, 2009, 04:02:40 AM
Apparently both Defoe and Lampard fail at penalties this weekend. 

Was Defoe's miss:

A bad attempt by an English striker?

A great save by an American Goaltender?

Duh
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 07, 2009, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 05, 2009, 02:47:23 PM
The Confederations Cup is a mere money-making scheme nobody cares about.

So the only way we can ever win anything anybody cares about is the World fucking Cup?  Damn everybody sure has ridiculous standards. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on December 07, 2009, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2009, 04:47:44 PMSo the only way we can ever win anything anybody cares about is the World fucking Cup?  Damn everybody sure has ridiculous standards. :(

People only care about winning regional cups if it means that the winner had to face and beat legitimate world cup contenders.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on December 07, 2009, 04:53:48 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 07, 2009, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2009, 04:47:44 PMSo the only way we can ever win anything anybody cares about is the World fucking Cup?  Damn everybody sure has ridiculous standards. :(

People only care about winning regional cups if it means that the winner had to face and beat legitimate world cup contenders.

Ah well it was only Spain we beat, so i see your point.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on December 07, 2009, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 07, 2009, 04:53:48 PMAh well it was only Spain we beat, so i see your point.

Wait what?  I thought you were talking about the Concacaf and that you almost won, but I guess that was Mexico.

The Confederation Cup... I agree with Iormlund.  No one cares, even if Spain and Brazil play.  Good on you for beating Spain though, but when it doesn't matter it doesn't matter.  Let's hope you can beat them should you face them when it matters.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 07, 2009, 05:13:10 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 07, 2009, 05:00:36 PM
Wait what?  I thought you were talking about the Concacaf and that you almost won, but I guess that was Mexico.

Well we did win it in '05 and '07.  No such luck this year.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on December 07, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2009, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 05, 2009, 02:47:23 PM
The Confederations Cup is a mere money-making scheme nobody cares about.

So the only way we can ever win anything anybody cares about is the World fucking Cup?  Damn everybody sure has ridiculous standards. :(

The three international titles that count are: Champion's League, Euro Cup and World Cup. The rest (Intercontinental, Mundialitos and so on) just don't involve enough quality contenders or cause as much high blood pressure in fans and players. You can put the blame on a lack of tradition, bad timing during the season or whatever, but in the end teams wander on the field as if they were playing a friendly and viewer ratings are not nearly close enough to a CL, WC or EC because they know it.
I guess it is kind of hard to explain to a foreigner, but Spain completely shuts down when the national team plays on a WC or EC. And I do mean completely. That didn't happen on however that tourney in SA was called (hell I didn't even know we were playing until well into the game).

Anyway, being so hard to win is precisely what gives the WC its appeal (though the EC is actually harder because there are hardly any crappy teams involved).
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on December 09, 2009, 01:26:45 AM
Wow, Bayern destroyed Juve. That was unexpected.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 09, 2009, 08:06:48 AM
Quote from: Zanza on December 09, 2009, 01:26:45 AM
Wow, Bayern destroyed Juve. That was unexpected.

Serie A is really in decline.

In other news, Porto defeated Atlético Madrid 3-0, another club in steep decline.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 09:22:21 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 09, 2009, 08:06:48 AMIn other news, Porto defeated Atlético Madrid 3-0, another club in steep decline.

For Atlético to be in steep decline, they should have been high at some point in recent memory.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 09:28:11 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 07, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
The three international titles that count are: Champion's League, Euro Cup and World Cup.

So two Euro tournaments (one a club tourney at that) and the WC.  Wow that is fair to the rest of us.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 09:28:11 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 07, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
The three international titles that count are: Champion's League, Euro Cup and World Cup.

So two Euro tournaments (one a club tourney at that) and the WC.  Wow that is fair to the rest of us.

Well, it's true.  :P #4 and 5 would be the Copa América and the Libertadores Cup, I guess.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 09, 2009, 09:31:11 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 09:22:21 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 09, 2009, 08:06:48 AMIn other news, Porto defeated Atlético Madrid 3-0, another club in steep decline.

For Atlético to be in steep decline, they should have been high at some point in recent memory.  :P

When Gil y Gil had his way  :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on December 09, 2009, 10:09:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 09:28:11 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 07, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
The three international titles that count are: Champion's League, Euro Cup and World Cup.

So two Euro tournaments (one a club tourney at that) and the WC.  Wow that is fair to the rest of us.

Tell me, how does that differ from the structure in Hockey or Basket? You wouldn't watch EC in Hockey would you?

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on December 09, 2009, 10:23:04 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 09:28:11 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 07, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
The three international titles that count are: Champion's League, Euro Cup and World Cup.

So two Euro tournaments (one a club tourney at that) and the WC.  Wow that is fair to the rest of us.
Its just the way it is. All the best African and Asian players play in Europe and most of the best South American ones.
I think you probally could sub copa america and maybe the african cup of nations for the euro cup in the relevant areas but the asians have their eyes squarely on europe; even more narrowed down England, Spain and Italy.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 10:50:32 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on December 09, 2009, 10:09:33 AM
Tell me, how does that differ from the structure in Hockey or Basket? You wouldn't watch EC in Hockey would you?

V

We don't have alot of international Hockey and Basketball tournaments that invite all the top countries but don't count for some reason?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 09, 2009, 11:06:36 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 10:50:32 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on December 09, 2009, 10:09:33 AM
Tell me, how does that differ from the structure in Hockey or Basket? You wouldn't watch EC in Hockey would you?

V

We don't have alot of international Hockey and Basketball tournaments that invite all the top countries but don't count for some reason?

Part of the reason, in hockey anyways, is that there isn't the same esteem held to the international game as there is in soccer. For instance: In ice hockey there is a World Cup every year. Every year. Who knows? The NHL is knee-deep in the playoffs. All the great players are playing in the domestic league. In soccer the world stops when the World Cup is on. Even the last stalwart, the MLS, is going to suspend play for the first two weeks of the World Cup.

It just doesn't happen in hockey.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on December 09, 2009, 11:18:04 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 09:28:11 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 07, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
The three international titles that count are: Champion's League, Euro Cup and World Cup.

So two Euro tournaments (one a club tourney at that) and the WC.  Wow that is fair to the rest of us.

We get them back by keeping them out of the World Series and Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 09, 2009, 11:18:04 AM
We get them back by keeping them out of the World Series and Super Bowl.

Well we did establish the World Baseball Classic ;)

I do not so much care about the club sport angle but it is a tad annoying the US goes out and reaches the finals of an international tournament only to be told it did us zero good.  Meh.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 11:29:15 AM
Which rinky dink tourney did we come in second again?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 11:29:15 AM
Which rinky dink tourney did we come in second again?

Confederations cup.  All the winners of the tournaments came together to play a tourney.  We had beaten Mexico to win the Gold Cup of CONCACAF so we were there representing North American and its little brothers, Spain was there as they won the Euro and we beat them.  Is it really rinky dink when the winners of the biggest tournaments were all there?  Buncha BS is what that is.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 11:33:52 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:31:30 AM
Confederations cup.  All the winners of the tournaments came together to play a tourney.  We had beaten Mexico to win the Gold Cup of CONCACAF so we were there representing North American and its little brothers, Spain was there as they won the Euro and we beat them.  Is it really rinky dink when the winners of the biggest tournaments were all there?  Buncha BS is what that is.
It's rinky dink if everyone thinks it's rinky dink and only sends their fat kids to play.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:34:15 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 11:33:52 AM
It's rinky dink if everyone thinks it's rinky dink and only sends their fat kids to play.

Et tu Yi? :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on December 09, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 09, 2009, 11:18:04 AM
We get them back by keeping them out of the World Series and Super Bowl.

Well we did establish the World Baseball Classic ;)

I do not so much care about the club sport angle but it is a tad annoying the US goes out and reaches the finals of an international tournament only to be told it did us zero good.  Meh.

But we suck. If Spain reaches the finals of some baseball tournament, it probably happened because the tournament wasn't very important. If we win that South American tournament (Copa Americana?), I would think that would be important, but the last time I think we lost every single game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 11:35:24 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 09, 2009, 09:31:11 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 09:22:21 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 09, 2009, 08:06:48 AMIn other news, Porto defeated Atlético Madrid 3-0, another club in steep decline.

For Atlético to be in steep decline, they should have been high at some point in recent memory.  :P

When Gil y Gil had his way  :D

Not even then were they big.  :P They had one glory season, in which the got the Spanish League and Cup, and that was it.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 09, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
But we suck.

No we don't.  We are awesome.  You are simply brainwashed by Euro propaganda. :ultra:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:34:15 AM
Et tu Yi? :weep:
Quit yer belly aching and man up.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 11:45:44 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 11:29:15 AM
Which rinky dink tourney did we come in second again?

Confederations cup.  All the winners of the tournaments came together to play a tourney.  We had beaten Mexico to win the Gold Cup of CONCACAF so we were there representing North American and its little brothers, Spain was there as they won the Euro and we beat them.  Is it really rinky dink when the winners of the biggest tournaments were all there?  Buncha BS is what that is.

FIFA has the nasty habit of inventing bogus tournaments to fill their coffers every now and then, and the Confederations Cup (former King Fahd Cup) is one of them. They have no history, prestige or tradition, and are usually badly placed in the international calendar, so few people give a crap about them. The world cup for clubs gets the same treatment, and the intercontinental cup loses prestige year after year.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on December 09, 2009, 11:54:57 AM
I think it's coffers, not coffins, Larch. ;) Although the latter is a funny image too. Vampire Blatter sucking for money.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: Zanza on December 09, 2009, 11:54:57 AM
I think it's coffers, not coffins, Larch. ;) Although the latter is a funny image too. Vampire Blatter sucking for money.


You get the idea.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sahib on December 09, 2009, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 09, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
But we suck.

No we don't.  We are awesome.  You are simply brainwashed by Euro propaganda. :ultra:

Well you have the chance to prove the naysayers wrong in the summer  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: Sahib on December 09, 2009, 01:01:17 PM
Well you have the chance to prove the naysayers wrong in the summer  :)

Algeria will never know what hit them!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Octavian on December 09, 2009, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 11:45:44 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 11:29:15 AM
Which rinky dink tourney did we come in second again?

Confederations cup.  All the winners of the tournaments came together to play a tourney.  We had beaten Mexico to win the Gold Cup of CONCACAF so we were there representing North American and its little brothers, Spain was there as they won the Euro and we beat them.  Is it really rinky dink when the winners of the biggest tournaments were all there?  Buncha BS is what that is.

FIFA has the nasty habit of inventing bogus tournaments to fill their coffers every now and then, and the Confederations Cup (former King Fahd Cup) is one of them. They have no history, prestige or tradition, and are usually badly placed in the international calendar, so few people give a crap about them. The world cup for clubs gets the same treatment, and the intercontinental cup loses prestige year after year.

:yes:

Heck Denmark won it in 1995 and nobody gave a damn or saw the matches. Instead we were still frustrated over the fact that we hadn't qualified to the 94 world cup.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 09, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 09, 2009, 11:18:04 AM
We get them back by keeping them out of the World Series and Super Bowl.

Well we did establish the World Baseball Classic ;)

I do not so much care about the club sport angle but it is a tad annoying the US goes out and reaches the finals of an international tournament only to be told it did us zero good.  Meh.

But we suck. If Spain reaches the finals of some baseball tournament, it probably happened because the tournament wasn't very important. If we win that South American tournament (Copa Americana?), I would think that would be important, but the last time I think we lost every single game.

Do we even have a baseball team? :unsure:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 02:34:53 PM
Do we even have a baseball team? :unsure:

No.  But if you still had your Empire you would be the greatest Baseball powerhouse on the planet...well actually you would probably dominate every major sport.  Pity.

The only two Euro countries that compete are the Italians (there is a small region of the country where it became popular while we were there in WWII) and the Netherlands (thanks to their Carribean islands)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 07, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
The three international titles that count are: Champion's League, Euro Cup and World Cup. The rest (Intercontinental, Mundialitos and so on) just don't involve enough quality contenders or cause as much high blood pressure in fans and players. You can put the blame on a lack of tradition, bad timing during the season or whatever, but in the end teams wander on the field as if they were playing a friendly and viewer ratings are not nearly close enough to a CL, WC or EC because they know it.
I guess it is kind of hard to explain to a foreigner, but Spain completely shuts down when the national team plays on a WC or EC. And I do mean completely. That didn't happen on however that tourney in SA was called (hell I didn't even know we were playing until well into the game).

Anyway, being so hard to win is precisely what gives the WC its appeal (though the EC is actually harder because there are hardly any crappy teams involved).

I'd say that the South America cup, whatever it's called, matters as well - about as much as the Euro.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
No.  But if you still had your Empire you would be the greatest Baseball powerhouse on the planet...well actually you would probably dominate every major sport.  Pity.
If Spain still had its empire our gallant leathernecks never would have taught the locals to play beisbol.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 11:33:52 AMIt's rinky dink if everyone thinks it's rinky dink and only sends their fat kids to play.

:lol:

Exactly
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 02:34:53 PM
Do we even have a baseball team? :unsure:

No.  But if you still had your Empire you would be the greatest Baseball powerhouse on the planet...well actually you would probably dominate every major sport.  Pity.

The only two Euro countries that compete are the Italians (there is a small region of the country where it became popular while we were there in WWII) and the Netherlands (thanks to their Carribean islands)

I expected as much.

I've known people that played American Footie competitively and I've done so for fun a couple times. I also know that there's an ice hockey league in those places where there's an ice rink. Pretty much everyone has played basketball (much more than footie in my case), but I've never ever heard about anyone playing baseball. That could change I guess, since we've received over a million immigrants from the colonies.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: Octavian on December 09, 2009, 02:24:08 PMHeck Denmark won it in 1995 and nobody gave a damn or saw the matches. Instead we were still frustrated over the fact that we hadn't qualified to the 94 world cup.

Denmark won the Confederation cup?

I never knew.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: Octavian on December 09, 2009, 02:24:08 PMHeck Denmark won it in 1995 and nobody gave a damn or saw the matches. Instead we were still frustrated over the fact that we hadn't qualified to the 94 world cup.

Denmark won the Confederation cup?

I never knew.

I didn't even know there was one back then. I thought it was a more recent scam by Blatter.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 02:57:05 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
I'd say that the South America cup, whatever it's called, matters as well - about as much as the Euro.

There's only two real powers over there, Argentina and Brazil, which IMHO puts it at a severe disadvantage compared to the EC.

Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 11:33:52 AMIt's rinky dink if everyone thinks it's rinky dink and only sends their fat kids to play.

:lol:

Exactly

Well it's not just that. Spain's team in paper was not weak at all. In fact Spain's backup midfield is probably better than any other midfield in the world right now.

The main problem is motivation. This kind of games offer very little reward. A player is never going to give a 100% in these circumstances. He's not going to contest the ball or keep running for that long pass, risking an injury for nothing. He's not going to push. But when the WC is on the line ... a good performance can be worth a career, tens of millions in the bank. And it shows.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on December 09, 2009, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: Octavian on December 09, 2009, 02:24:08 PMHeck Denmark won it in 1995 and nobody gave a damn or saw the matches. Instead we were still frustrated over the fact that we hadn't qualified to the 94 world cup.

Denmark won the Confederation cup?

I never knew.

2-0 over Argentina iirc. I was excited.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on December 09, 2009, 03:26:34 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 02:57:05 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
I'd say that the South America cup, whatever it's called, matters as well - about as much as the Euro.

There's only two real powers over there, Argentina and Brazil, which IMHO puts it at a severe disadvantage compared to the EC.


:lol:

Exactly

Also considering the euro is played once every 4th year keeps the rarity of the event and thus the excitement high while Brazil and Argentina plays each other what? 4-5 times each year? Probably not that much but it isnt like its a rare event. More like a derby in a top euro league.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on December 09, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Speaking of rare events the 6 months wait for the WC is starting to get on my nerves. I want it NAU!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: bogh on December 09, 2009, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: Octavian on December 09, 2009, 02:24:08 PMHeck Denmark won it in 1995 and nobody gave a damn or saw the matches. Instead we were still frustrated over the fact that we hadn't qualified to the 94 world cup.

Denmark won the Confederation cup?

I never knew.

Me neither.  :huh:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on December 09, 2009, 04:24:30 PM
Damn ignorant danes!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: bogh on December 09, 2009, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: Octavian on December 09, 2009, 02:24:08 PMHeck Denmark won it in 1995 and nobody gave a damn or saw the matches. Instead we were still frustrated over the fact that we hadn't qualified to the 94 world cup.

Denmark won the Confederation cup?

I never knew.

Me neither.  :huh:

It was called King Fahd Cup back then, and played in Saudi Arabia. It was rebranded as Confederations Cup in 1997.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 05:50:10 PM
Quote from: Liep on December 09, 2009, 03:13:26 PM2-0 over Argentina iirc. I was excited.

The "iirc" says it all.  I imagine you'd never put an "iirc" behind the score of the game when Denmark won the Euro Cup.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 09, 2009, 06:14:41 PM
Quote from: Cecil on December 09, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Speaking of rare events the 6 months wait for the WC is starting to get on my nerves. I want it NAU!

Yup. Bring it on.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: bogh on December 09, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
Quote from: The Larch on December 09, 2009, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: bogh on December 09, 2009, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: Octavian on December 09, 2009, 02:24:08 PMHeck Denmark won it in 1995 and nobody gave a damn or saw the matches. Instead we were still frustrated over the fact that we hadn't qualified to the 94 world cup.

Denmark won the Confederation cup?

I never knew.

Me neither.  :huh:

It was called King Fahd Cup back then, and played in Saudi Arabia. It was rebranded as Confederations Cup in 1997.

Right, I just looked it up. That does vaguely ring a bell.

The other teams were apparently Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Japan.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on December 09, 2009, 08:46:07 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 05:50:10 PM
The "iirc" says it all.  I imagine you'd never put an "iirc" behind the score of the game when Denmark won the Euro Cup.

I don't really know why I put in the "iirc" because I was certain it was 2-0. But I will grant you that I cannot remember who scored or how they did it, or the games leading up to it, like I can with 92.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 09:38:48 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
I'd say that the South America cup, whatever it's called, matters as well - about as much as the Euro.

Oh yeah?  The US has a standing invite to play in that one but it happens in the middle of our club season so we don't often.

Anyway do you even know who won the last Copa America?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on December 09, 2009, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 09:38:48 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
I'd say that the South America cup, whatever it's called, matters as well - about as much as the Euro.



Anyway do you even know who won the last Copa America?

I DO!

But anyways rumor has Landon DOnvan getting a shot in Premiership with Everton going on loan from Jan-April.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on December 10, 2009, 01:25:58 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 02:34:53 PM
Do we even have a baseball team? :unsure:

No.  But if you still had your Empire you would be the greatest Baseball powerhouse on the planet...well actually you would probably dominate every major sport.  Pity.

The only two Euro countries that compete are the Italians (there is a small region of the country where it became popular while we were there in WWII) and the Netherlands (thanks to their Carribean islands)

Are you sure about that?  Those were the 2 European teams in the WBC, but I think there are a few other places in Europe where they play baseball.  I know that the Netherlands won an European championship of some sort, and I'm pretty sure that it wasn't a 2-team tournament with just them and the Italians.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 10, 2009, 03:20:24 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 09:38:48 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
I'd say that the South America cup, whatever it's called, matters as well - about as much as the Euro.

Oh yeah?  The US has a standing invite to play in that one but it happens in the middle of our club season so we don't often.

Anyway do you even know who won the last Copa America?

Brazil. They win it almost all the time.  :lol:
And your club season calendar is retarded.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: BVN on December 10, 2009, 04:22:41 AM
Quote from: dps on December 10, 2009, 01:25:58 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 02:34:53 PM
Do we even have a baseball team? :unsure:

No.  But if you still had your Empire you would be the greatest Baseball powerhouse on the planet...well actually you would probably dominate every major sport.  Pity.

The only two Euro countries that compete are the Italians (there is a small region of the country where it became popular while we were there in WWII) and the Netherlands (thanks to their Carribean islands)

Are you sure about that?  Those were the 2 European teams in the WBC, but I think there are a few other places in Europe where they play baseball.  I know that the Netherlands won an European championship of some sort, and I'm pretty sure that it wasn't a 2-team tournament with just them and the Italians.
Baseball is played in most European Countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Baseball_in_Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Baseball_in_Europe)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on December 10, 2009, 04:23:43 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 10, 2009, 03:20:24 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 09:38:48 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 09, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
I'd say that the South America cup, whatever it's called, matters as well - about as much as the Euro.

Oh yeah?  The US has a standing invite to play in that one but it happens in the middle of our club season so we don't often.

Anyway do you even know who won the last Copa America?

Brazil. They win it almost all the time.  :lol:
And your club season calendar is retarded.

They do it because MLS would be killed if tried to play same time as NFL :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on December 10, 2009, 04:42:55 AM
Quote from: BVN on December 10, 2009, 04:22:41 AM
Quote from: dps on December 10, 2009, 01:25:58 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 09, 2009, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2009, 02:34:53 PM
Do we even have a baseball team? :unsure:

No.  But if you still had your Empire you would be the greatest Baseball powerhouse on the planet...well actually you would probably dominate every major sport.  Pity.

The only two Euro countries that compete are the Italians (there is a small region of the country where it became popular while we were there in WWII) and the Netherlands (thanks to their Carribean islands)

Are you sure about that?  Those were the 2 European teams in the WBC, but I think there are a few other places in Europe where they play baseball.  I know that the Netherlands won an European championship of some sort, and I'm pretty sure that it wasn't a 2-team tournament with just them and the Italians.
Baseball is played in most European Countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Baseball_in_Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Baseball_in_Europe)

Yeah,  note that the Isrealis play in the European championships;  in some sports they are grouped with the European nations in international play for political reasons, but in baseball I think they are the only country in the Middle East to have a national team.  Well, Turkey, if you consider them to be in the Middle East.

Not only does Spain have a national team, they've actually won the European championship (though it was a long time ago).  That was 1 of only 2 out of 30 tournaments not won by either Italy or the Netherlands.  The Spainish and Germans seem to finish 3rd a lot, though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 10, 2009, 08:34:42 AM
For what it's worth.  Although the Confeds Cup is not looked upon as a major tournament by the big teams, it was impressive for the US to win that. They showed character after coming out pretty weak. And I'm no fan of the US of A, as some of you may know.

The US soccer team has been growing stronger with each passing tournament. I'd rate them now up there with the second tier European teams. They're gonna give England a run for top spot in that group. And I'd say the US has a strong chance of making the Quarters and possibly the semis this world cup.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Iormlund on December 10, 2009, 08:46:40 AM
I've said for a long time that the only thing the US needs to fulfill its potential is a good coach. And that means someone with ample experience with major European teams as well as national-team building. A guy whose experience is restricted to the US can only get you so far. A man like Hiddink on the other hand ...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2009, 09:15:10 AM
Quote from: dps on December 10, 2009, 01:25:58 AM
Are you sure about that?  Those were the 2 European teams in the WBC, but I think there are a few other places in Europe where they play baseball.  I know that the Netherlands won an European championship of some sort, and I'm pretty sure that it wasn't a 2-team tournament with just them and the Italians.

I mean that compete on the international level.  I know they play baseball in the South of France a guy I know was a big fan of the sport and I attended a game between two French teams.

Mon Dieu it was hilarious I have seen better fielding at my weekend softball games.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 10, 2009, 09:17:47 AM
Quote from: Josephus on December 10, 2009, 08:34:42 AM
For what it's worth.  Although the Confeds Cup is not looked upon as a major tournament by the big teams, it was impressive for the US to win that. They showed character after coming out pretty weak. And I'm no fan of the US of A, as some of you may know.

The US soccer team has been growing stronger with each passing tournament. I'd rate them now up there with the second tier European teams. They're gonna give England a run for top spot in that group. And I'd say the US has a strong chance of making the Quarters and possibly the semis this world cup.

Well we didn't win it we lost in the final to Brazil blowing a 2-0 2nd half lead.  Yes I am bitter.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 10, 2009, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 10, 2009, 09:17:47 AM
Quote from: Josephus on December 10, 2009, 08:34:42 AM
For what it's worth.  Although the Confeds Cup is not looked upon as a major tournament by the big teams, it was impressive for the US to win that. They showed character after coming out pretty weak. And I'm no fan of the US of A, as some of you may know.

The US soccer team has been growing stronger with each passing tournament. I'd rate them now up there with the second tier European teams. They're gonna give England a run for top spot in that group. And I'd say the US has a strong chance of making the Quarters and possibly the semis this world cup.

Well we didn't win it we lost in the final to Brazil blowing a 2-0 2nd half lead.  Yes I am bitter.

See. I forgot already.  ;) Still....good show.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on January 13, 2010, 06:04:51 PM
Liverpool.  :lmfao:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on January 13, 2010, 06:13:53 PM
The FA cup has been good this year.
I don't feel as happy as I did with Man Utd's loss- Liverpool not being as hateworthy and Reading not so shit but still. heh
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on January 13, 2010, 06:41:29 PM
I actually like L'pool, but this year has been so bad, I find myself laughing at their misfortunes. You're right though the Man Utd. loss to Leeds was classic.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on January 13, 2010, 08:46:08 PM
Everybody knows the only EPL teams worth supporting are those with Americans on them.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on January 13, 2010, 09:46:35 PM
Quote from: PDH on January 13, 2010, 08:46:08 PM
Everybody knows the only EPL teams worth supporting are those with Americans on them.

Fulham
Everton
Aston Villa
West Ham
Wolverhampton
Hull
Watford
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on February 21, 2010, 03:01:38 AM
The weekly game on ESPN was Everton vs ManU.

First chance to see how Donovan was faring over there, and to see a 3-1 thrashing. :w00t:

Of course i could relate to euros watching american sporting events as I had to get up at 3:30 am to watch it live.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on February 21, 2010, 12:59:56 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 21, 2010, 03:01:38 AM
The weekly game on ESPN was Everton vs ManU.

First chance to see how Donovan was faring over there, and to see a 3-1 thrashing. :w00t:

Of course i could relate to euros watching american sporting events as I had to get up at 3:30 am to watch it live.

Good for Everton. I hope they turn their attentions to the League. I guess they still have a chance at the 4th spot?

So on Thursday they field a subpar team in Lisbon and we get a few more chances to pass to the next round.

If we lose than the season is over, if not, well we can still dream for a few weeks befori getting trashed by Galatasary. <_<
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: oldman on February 22, 2010, 11:44:50 AM
The Asian Champions League kicks off today!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on February 22, 2010, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: oldman on February 22, 2010, 11:44:50 AM
The Asian Champions League kicks off today!

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pspsps.tv%2Ftumbleweed.jpg&hash=7030c3da419f422e5855b56e259ed93fd7ec6c29)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on March 10, 2010, 03:16:16 AM
5-0 bye Porto :D

Samir Nasri knows how to handle a ball :)

But the most fun was the swedish commentary (I can watch CL from Sweden for free) of the Danish striker, Bendtner's, hattrick  :D

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: vcarter706 on March 10, 2010, 03:29:20 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 10, 2010, 03:16:16 AM
5-0 bye Porto :D

Samir Nasri knows how to handle a ball :)

But the most fun was the swedish commentary (I can watch CL from Sweden for free) of the Danish striker, Bendtner's, hattrick  :D

V

That was a great game. Now if only Chelsea can lose to Inter in a few days :cool:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on March 10, 2010, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 10, 2010, 03:16:16 AM
5-0 bye Porto :D

Samir Nasri knows how to handle a ball :)

But the most fun was the swedish commentary (I can watch CL from Sweden for free) of the Danish striker, Bendtner's, hattrick  :D

V

Funny game indeed. :D

Anyway, Arsenal should win the Premiership not the Champions League. :bowler:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 10, 2010, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 10, 2010, 03:16:16 AM
But the most fun was the swedish commentary (I can watch CL from Sweden for free) of the Danish striker, Bendtner's, hattrick  :D

V

Do tell!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on March 10, 2010, 03:19:52 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 10, 2010, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 10, 2010, 03:16:16 AM
But the most fun was the swedish commentary (I can watch CL from Sweden for free) of the Danish striker, Bendtner's, hattrick  :D

V

Do tell!

Hard to recap.. but hads it been Zlatan they'd been ecstatic, now they downlayed it.. "he was lucky, easy shots, well set up by others.. in every eway trying to make it NOt his accomplishment and merely something that wasn't unusual at all :D

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 11, 2010, 10:13:28 AM
Quote from: clandestino on March 10, 2010, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 10, 2010, 03:16:16 AM
5-0 bye Porto :D

Samir Nasri knows how to handle a ball :)

But the most fun was the swedish commentary (I can watch CL from Sweden for free) of the Danish striker, Bendtner's, hattrick  :D

V

Funny game indeed. :D

Anyway, Arsenal should win the Premiership not the Champions League. :bowler:

First time in years the Lisbon clubs may actually go farther than Porto  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 14, 2010, 07:21:03 PM
Poor Becks.

So ironic, playing for Milan in order to increase your chance to play for England this world cup.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 14, 2010, 08:43:25 PM
Well at least the England team are getting more creative with their injuries than just breaking another metatarsal.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 17, 2010, 02:46:35 PM
Chelsea is out. :thumbsup: And hopefully I will get to watch some Barca magic tonight, go Messi!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 19, 2010, 03:09:37 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 11, 2010, 10:13:28 AM
Quote from: clandestino on March 10, 2010, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 10, 2010, 03:16:16 AM
5-0 bye Porto :D

Samir Nasri knows how to handle a ball :)

But the most fun was the swedish commentary (I can watch CL from Sweden for free) of the Danish striker, Bendtner's, hattrick  :D

V

Funny game indeed. :D

Anyway, Arsenal should win the Premiership not the Champions League. :bowler:

First time in years the Lisbon clubs may actually go farther than Porto  :P

First time in years, a Lisbon club goes farther than Porto  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 06, 2010, 02:35:28 PM
A Danish goal, a hattrick by the magician Messi and there's still 45 minutes left. :w00t:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 06, 2010, 03:37:33 PM
Messi 4 - 1 Arsenal? :yeah:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 06, 2010, 03:39:21 PM
I've seen the future of football.

If he's on his game, he should win the World Cup for the Argies.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on April 06, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 06, 2010, 03:39:21 PM
I've seen the future of football.

If he's on his game, he should win the World Cup for the Argies.

Except Messi is not great when he does not have an amazing team around him: he is no Maradonna. He will not carry a mediocre team, but he can make an excellent team legendary.

Still, perhaps now Wenger will buy that defensive midfielder the fans have been screaming for since 2006.  <_<
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on April 06, 2010, 05:02:55 PM
I mean, what the fuck are you doing starting Silvestre against Messi? ARRRRGGHGKSDHGLSDLHF££$(&£% :ultra:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alexandru H. on April 06, 2010, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: Warspite on April 06, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 06, 2010, 03:39:21 PM
I've seen the future of football.

If he's on his game, he should win the World Cup for the Argies.

Except Messi is not great when he does not have an amazing team around him: he is no Maradonna. He will not carry a mediocre team, but he can make an excellent team legendary.

Still, perhaps now Wenger will buy that defensive midfielder the fans have been screaming for since 2006.  <_<

It's really because Maradona is one of the shittiest managers ever. He was so close of making the Argies stay home during the summer... With Messi, it's pure jealousy: after spouting all kinds of nonsense about Pele and other capable players, he finally found a worthy match in a guy that resembles him in all the good ways and is nothing like him in the bad ones.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 06, 2010, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: Warspite on April 06, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 06, 2010, 03:39:21 PM
I've seen the future of football.

If he's on his game, he should win the World Cup for the Argies.

Except Messi is not great when he does not have an amazing team around him: he is no Maradonna. He will not carry a mediocre team, but he can make an excellent team legendary.

Still, perhaps now Wenger will buy that defensive midfielder the fans have been screaming for since 2006.  <_<

But he does have a pretty good team around him. There's some pretty decent players there. I think the problem as Alexandru said is Maradonna. Still, if he can get that team to gel, they will be dominant.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on April 07, 2010, 07:28:40 AM
WHy does everyone rate Argentina automatically over Spain? You know one of the reasons Messi can be so rampant at Barca is the people around him like Iniesta and Xavi.

If Spain go into the WC with full strength team you've got those two, along with Fabregas on the bench, parked behind Torres and Villa. Oh, and their defence isn't bad either. And we know this lot can play because they managed to lift the European Cup in 2008.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alexandru H. on April 07, 2010, 07:42:20 AM
Quote from: Warspite on April 07, 2010, 07:28:40 AM
WHy does everyone rate Argentina automatically over Spain? You know one of the reasons Messi can be so rampant at Barca is the people around him like Iniesta and Xavi.

If Spain go into the WC with full strength team you've got those two, along with Fabregas on the bench, parked behind Torres and Villa. Oh, and their defence isn't bad either. And we know this lot can play because they managed to lift the European Cup in 2008.

Argentina has the best attacking line-up in the world at this moment: Messi, Di Maria, Higuain, Tevez, Milito. Unfortunately, Maradona still manages that team...:(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 07:53:13 AM
Spain would be the obvious favourites, but they always fall apart. Yeah, I know they won the EC two years ago; but that's not the world cup. I wonder how many teams have gone from winning the Euros to winning the World Cup two years later? I think France did it in recent memory.

Anyways we'll have to start making our picks in a month or so.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on April 07, 2010, 08:16:32 AM
Quote from: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 07:53:13 AM
Spain would be the obvious favourites, but they always fall apart. Yeah, I know they won the EC two years ago; but that's not the world cup.

You're right - the average quality of football is higher in the EC :p
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alexandru H. on April 07, 2010, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 07:53:13 AM
Spain would be the obvious favourites, but they always fall apart. Yeah, I know they won the EC two years ago; but that's not the world cup. I wonder how many teams have gone from winning the Euros to winning the World Cup two years later? I think France did it in recent memory.

Anyways we'll have to start making our picks in a month or so.

West Germany did it (EC 1972, WC 1974). France won the Euro Cup in 2000, but they won it after the World Cup of 1998.  :nerd:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
Right....so, that's my point---winning the EC does not translate into a WC.

I'm not saying Spain WON"T win....I think there's a few good favourites. Plus the unpredictability of the African nations will make this Cup interesting.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alexandru H. on April 07, 2010, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
Right....so, that's my point---winning the EC does not translate into a WC.

I'm not saying Spain WON"T win....I think there's a few good favourites. Plus the unpredictability of the African nations will make this Cup interesting.

Actually it will be a shitty tournament, in the same vein as the 2002 one. That time, the Asians were overpowered by refs and official decisions; this time I predict that an African team will be lifted towards the semis.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 10:47:49 AM
I'm hoping the refs won't ruin this WC. We'll see.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on April 07, 2010, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
Right....so, that's my point---winning the EC does not translate into a WC.

I'm not saying Spain WON"T win....I think there's a few good favourites. Plus the unpredictability of the African nations will make this Cup interesting.

Please they´ve been hyping those african teams since 90 and they´ve still not achieved jack. Although I suppose FIFA being the corrupt gasbags they are might put their dirty little fingers into fixing that.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on April 07, 2010, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 10:47:49 AM
I'm hoping the refs won't ruin this WC. We'll see.

I am sure this will be another major international tournament that proves we don't need goal-line technology or any kind of system of referral.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on April 07, 2010, 01:12:21 PM
As I've said before I think the Europeans will do pretty good due to the weather being similar to what they're used to playing in; maybe even better than in the WC in Germany in some places since that was played at the height of summer.


Quote from: Cecil on April 07, 2010, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
Right....so, that's my point---winning the EC does not translate into a WC.

I'm not saying Spain WON"T win....I think there's a few good favourites. Plus the unpredictability of the African nations will make this Cup interesting.

Please they´ve been hyping those african teams since 90 and they´ve still not achieved jack. Although I suppose FIFA being the corrupt gasbags they are might put their dirty little fingers into fixing that.
Earlier than that even I think. Didn't Pele say something about Africans winning the world cup before the end of the century back in the 70s?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alexandru H. on April 07, 2010, 01:27:01 PM
I don't hate good african teams (like 2002 Senegal or 1990 Cameroon), but I hate nations that will be moved up by sheer ref influence (South Africa *wink*)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 07:18:28 PM
No comments on tonight's Man Utd game? Up 3-0 at one point.

First time in years there's no English club in the final four.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Alexandru H. on April 08, 2010, 03:54:19 AM
Quote from: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 07:18:28 PM
No comments on tonight's Man Utd game? Up 3-0 at one point.

First time in years there's no English club in the final four.

My dream final is 4 games away: Barca - Bayern...  :hug:

Good for the mancs. Hope they lose the PL title to Chelsea or Arsenal.

As for Ferguson's comments about ze Germans... rot in hell, you damn Scot!  :mad:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on April 08, 2010, 05:16:08 AM
Quote from: Josephus on April 07, 2010, 07:18:28 PM
No comments on tonight's Man Utd game? Up 3-0 at one point.

First time in years there's no English club in the final four.

That was great - Olic's bundled Suker-esque goal to Robben's wonder strike. I was in a pub with a lot of depressed Mancs; it really took the sting off the drugging Arsenal got.  :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 26, 2011, 07:04:11 PM
Norway 1 - 1 Denmark

Denmark played a pretty decent game and creating more chances than we're used to, alas the Norwegians got a late equaliser and still leads the group. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on March 26, 2011, 09:35:03 PM
Vancouver played their first MLS game ever, beating Toronto. Apparently the stadium was full too.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: lustindarkness on March 27, 2011, 12:40:51 AM
The International Friendly Match between USA and Argentina has been exciting, they are playing for real, not just an exhibition game. :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 27, 2011, 12:54:57 AM
Yeah was a good game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on March 27, 2011, 03:19:42 AM
I am sad that the Dutch trounced us this week because this IS the best Hungarian team since quite a while but the poor guys got tainted sooo much before the game.

This is the problem with our football. Since we kicked serious ass 60 years ago, many here consider us to be of temporarly fallen football elites.
So, every time we have the national team perform even marginally better than abysmal, suddenly the expectation is to beat everyone and qualify and stuff. I mean, seriously. There was such a  propaganda at work to advertise this match as we had a decent chance at WINNING.
And then we got totally pwned. I saw Tier 4 English teams stand up better against Premiere Leauge ones in cup matches, than how we were totally raped by the Dutch. They only scored 4 goals because they stopped caring after that.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on March 27, 2011, 03:52:06 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 26, 2011, 07:04:11 PM
Norway 1 - 1 Denmark

Denmark played a pretty decent game and creating more chances than we're used to, alas the Norwegians got a late equaliser and still leads the group. :(

The point wasn't exactly the most well-earned in Norwegian footballing history. The game was a bore as well. Nice Danish goal, though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on March 27, 2011, 04:04:39 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 27, 2011, 03:19:42 AM
I saw Tier 4 English teams stand up better against Premiere Leauge ones in cup matches, than how we were totally raped by the Dutch. They only scored 4 goals because they stopped caring after that.

And because they're going to do it again on Tuesday. :boff:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 27, 2011, 01:02:45 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 27, 2011, 03:19:42 AM
I am sad that the Dutch trounced us this week because this IS the best Hungarian team since quite a while but the poor guys got tainted sooo much before the game.

This is the problem with our football. Since we kicked serious ass 60 years ago, many here consider us to be of temporarly fallen football elites.
So, every time we have the national team perform even marginally better than abysmal, suddenly the expectation is to beat everyone and qualify and stuff. I mean, seriously. There was such a  propaganda at work to advertise this match as we had a decent chance at WINNING.
And then we got totally pwned. I saw Tier 4 English teams stand up better against Premiere Leauge ones in cup matches, than how we were totally raped by the Dutch. They only scored 4 goals because they stopped caring after that.

It could be worse. You could have a team full of players who put in great performances week in week out for their club teams, and yet, because of some glory ten years ago, consistently play lazily and sloppily for the national team, while having a manager whose idea of tactical flexibility is throwing a in-the-box strike out as a wide midfielder.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: jamesww on March 27, 2011, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on March 27, 2011, 12:40:51 AM
The International Friendly Match between USA and Argentina has been exciting, they are playing for real, not just an exhibition game. :)

Let be guess, they didn't tell the Brits, but the winner get the Falklands.  :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on March 27, 2011, 04:32:27 PM
Quote from: jamesww on March 27, 2011, 02:44:49 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on March 27, 2011, 12:40:51 AM
The International Friendly Match between USA and Argentina has been exciting, they are playing for real, not just an exhibition game. :)

Let be guess, they didn't tell the Brits, but the winner get the Falklands.  :(

No, the loser.   :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 27, 2011, 04:50:52 PM
he he
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 27, 2011, 08:40:31 PM
Manchester City are set to discuss Mario Balotelli's disciplinary issues after the striker was reportedly caught throwing darts from a first floor window.

:lmfao:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pedrito on March 28, 2011, 01:41:41 AM
I realize now that the whole World Cup 2010 thread has been swallowed into the Great Languish Rift; darn, one of the top ten threads for number of views and number of replies!

L.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 28, 2011, 07:19:08 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 28, 2011, 01:41:41 AM
I realize now that the whole World Cup 2010 thread has been swallowed into the Great Languish Rift; darn, one of the top ten threads for number of views and number of replies!

L.

We could start it again.

My predicitons:

I think England's going to do really well. They start of against the USA, pah!; Robbie Green will shut them out surely. And from there on in surely it's a cinch.
France have a good team this year too. Watch out for them.
I think the Spanish are over rated; they should get past the first round but then they'll choke as usual.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 28, 2011, 07:57:42 AM
Quote from: Josephus on March 28, 2011, 07:19:08 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 28, 2011, 01:41:41 AM
I realize now that the whole World Cup 2010 thread has been swallowed into the Great Languish Rift; darn, one of the top ten threads for number of views and number of replies!

L.

We could start it again.

My predicitons:

I think England's going to do really well. They start of against the USA, pah!; Robbie Green will shut them out surely. And from there on in surely it's a cinch.
France have a good team this year too. Watch out for them.
I think the Spanish are over rated; they should get past the first round but then they'll choke as usual.

Germany's still in transition, Mueller's really inexperienced and can't understand why he's in the squad. Expect Ballack to start.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 28, 2011, 08:23:41 AM
Everybody will love those horns.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 28, 2011, 08:26:47 AM
Quote from: Josephus on March 28, 2011, 07:19:08 AM
France have a good team this year too. Watch out for them.

I especially like their enthusiasm and chemistry off the field.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on March 28, 2011, 09:54:19 AM
Home advantage will see the African teams go far this time.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pedrito on March 29, 2011, 07:30:26 AM
South american teams will underperform, as always, with the usual notable exception of Argentina & Brazil.

Expect Messi to be the tournament's MVP.

Italy will easily pass their group stage, the easiest of all groups bar none.

L.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 29, 2011, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 29, 2011, 07:30:26 AM4
Expect Messi to be the tournament's MVP.

Yeah, Maradonna can really get the best out of Messi, certainly the one to watch.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on March 29, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
1-2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on March 29, 2011, 03:31:19 PM
5-3 :(

We could have walked away with a draw at least, if we had fielded a defense.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 29, 2011, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 29, 2011, 03:31:19 PM
5-3 :(

We could have walked away with a draw at least, if we had fielded a defense.

Too bad, at least it sounds like a fun game.

Can't say that about the Danish game... I'm calling it now, congratulations to Norway and Portugal with their qualifications.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 30, 2011, 05:57:27 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmultimedia.pol.dk%2Farchive%2F00531%2FSkyen_531242x.jpg&hash=b12a82eeb7b50d666ee38aefad4f02245390cdc5)

This is how Qatar wants to save WC2022 from the sun. It's gonna be the funniest WC ever.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on March 30, 2011, 06:02:35 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.treehugger.com%2Fimages%2F2007%2F10%2F24%2Fsimpsons%2520sun-jj-001.jpg&hash=521254d2b2884ed152d6fcb646d2ad6888c1d241)

Since the dawn of time, mankind has always dreamed the same thing. To block the sun.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 30, 2011, 06:12:51 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 30, 2011, 05:57:27 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmultimedia.pol.dk%2Farchive%2F00531%2FSkyen_531242x.jpg&hash=b12a82eeb7b50d666ee38aefad4f02245390cdc5)

This is how Qatar wants to save WC2022 from the sun. It's gonna be the funniest WC ever.
wtf? Link?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 30, 2011, 06:22:36 AM
http://us.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/03/25/qatar.flying.saucers/index.html
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on March 30, 2011, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 30, 2011, 05:57:27 AM

This is how Qatar wants to save WC2022 from the sun. It's gonna be the funniest WC ever.

No drunks, gays or actual fans allowed.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 30, 2011, 01:04:27 PM
How on earth are they planning to keep it aloft? Its a giant blimp I guess? - the article says nought.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 30, 2011, 06:02:21 PM
Qatar: Desperately trying to make FIFA's snubbing of the USA's 2022 bid look even more ridiculous.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on March 30, 2011, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 30, 2011, 01:04:27 PM
How on earth are they planning to keep it aloft? Its a giant blimp I guess? - the article says nought.

Quote

His team eventually hopes to construct the helium-filled devices in Qatar

Yeah, they're essentially giant airships.  Learn to read.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 31, 2011, 04:29:05 PM
Ten years ago, David "Rocky" Rocastle passed away. An Arsenal legend in his own time. He was just 30 years old. Never really hit the same heights after the mid-1990s, but when he was in his prime, he was unstoppable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJdEPdUxQN0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rocastle

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgoonertalk.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2FDavid-Rocastle-007.jpg&hash=df7bbae42eb7751a760ce82eba8249f2032531b0)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on April 14, 2011, 06:41:11 PM
Braga did it again  :) Not spectacular but for that there's always Porto ;) Congrats to Benfica too, I'm in a good mood. :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on April 16, 2011, 10:19:03 AM
Crazy Americans and their love affair with soccer  :lmfao:

Yahoo article... http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/The-Timbers-8217-mascot-and-his-giant-chainsaw?urn=sow-wp886
QuoteThe Portland Timbers' soaking wet first home match in MLS against the Chicago Fire showed off their fantastic stadium and fantastic crowd -- the Timbers Army, who belted out the national anthem all on their own. But perhaps the most unique feature of one of the league's new teams is their mascot. Yes, the Timbers' mascot is an actual lumberjack with an actual chainsaw and he actually uses it during matches. His name is Timber Joey and after every Timbers goal he slices a piece off his huge log slab on the side of the pitch. The slices are passed through the stands and presented to the goal scorer after the match.


(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmit.zenfs.com%2F210%2F2011%2F04%2Ftimberjoey.jpg&hash=472cb7cfb0b92ff1e908a7201fe3b12c6cb06091)


http://youtu.be/8-GmHcmdYBo


Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 16, 2011, 03:55:18 PM
El Clásico.

Mourinho has killed what was left of Madrid, playing defense on their own turf. Sad.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:12:17 PM
Albiol tries to choke Villa after he misjudges the ball. Penalty and booted.

Wonder if they're going to try with some offense now.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on April 16, 2011, 04:22:57 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 16, 2011, 10:19:03 AM
Crazy Americans and their love affair with soccer  :lmfao:

Yahoo article... httphoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/The-Timbers-8217-mascot-and-his-giant-chainsaw?urn=sow-wp886
QuoteThe Portland Timbers' soaking wet first home match in MLS against the Chicago Fire showed off their fantastic stadium and fantastic crowd -- the Timbers Army, who belted out the national anthem all on their own. But perhaps the most unique feature of one of the league's new teams is their mascot. Yes, the Timbers' mascot is an actual lumberjack with an actual chainsaw and he actually uses it during matches. His name is Timber Joey and after every Timbers goal he slices a piece off his huge log slab on the side of the pitch. The slices are passed through the stands and presented to the goal scorer after the match.


[img]http://mit.zenfs.com/

http://youtu.be/8-GmHcmdYBo




What a lame mascot, more likely to scare kids than endear them.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 16, 2011, 04:28:09 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 16, 2011, 03:55:18 PM
El Clásico.

Mourinho has killed what was left of Madrid, playing defense on their own turf. Sad.

Playing Pepe on midfield and benching Özil was a telling sign from the very beginning.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 16, 2011, 04:36:47 PM
They're gonna be doing this three more times, aren't they? :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:37:50 PM
Pepe is actually one of the few Madrid players who looks like he wants to win. But yeah, saving the team for the next 3 more important Barca games is wise, but not pretty.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 16, 2011, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 16, 2011, 04:36:47 PM
They're gonna be doing this three more times, aren't they? :)

Yup, and this one is probably the less trascendent game of the 4 they'll play during this month. It seems like a playoff.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 16, 2011, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:37:50 PM
Pepe is actually one of the few Madrid players who looks like he wants to win. But yeah, saving the team for the next 3 more important Barca games is wise, but not pretty.

That's because Pepe is, basically, crazy once he enters the pitch. The guy has no restraint at all.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 16, 2011, 04:40:39 PM
Penalty.Goal. Ronaldo
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:41:06 PM
Haha, that was one of the more stupid penalties I've seen. Alves is a loose cannon.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 16, 2011, 04:42:34 PM
Seemed like a dive to me, but meh, who cares.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:44:51 PM
Actually, this has been the most boring game I've seen between the two.

Barca, Barca, penalty, Barca, Barca, Barca, penalty, Barca, Barca, tie.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:47:51 PM
Quote from: The Larch on April 16, 2011, 04:42:34 PM
Seemed like a dive to me, but meh, who cares.

Yeah, it wasn't big but Alves made a diving tackle without striking the ball while he poked Marcello. And the ref was probably scared about what the Madrid-papers was gonna call him tomorrow.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 16, 2011, 04:49:24 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:44:51 PM
Actually, this has been the most boring game I've seen between the two.

Barca, Barca, penalty, Barca, Barca, Barca, penalty, Barca, Barca, tie.

It's a game that has been utterly devalued since before it began. Real Madrid know they can't win the league, but they stand a chance in the following games, so the only thing they have at the stake is the team's honour. If it finishes with a draw everybody goes home mildly content and ready for the way more important games that will take place later.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 16, 2011, 04:51:22 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:47:51 PM
Quote from: The Larch on April 16, 2011, 04:42:34 PM
Seemed like a dive to me, but meh, who cares.

Yeah, it wasn't big but Alves made a diving tackle without striking the ball while he poked Marcello. And the ref was probably scared about what the Madrid-papers was gonna call him tomorrow.

Yeah, and the fact that the ref seems to be trigger-happy doesn't help. He carded Valdés for that play and I still don't know why.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:53:01 PM
He also carded Pique for that uncalled penalty in the first, so I assume Valdes got it for the same reasons: arguing against the ref.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:55:50 PM
Also, what is up with Villa? He looked like a sack of patatoes.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 16, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:53:01 PM
He also carded Pique for that uncalled penalty in the first, so I assume Valdes got it for the same reasons: arguing against the ref.

Yup, that's a safe assumption. Never trust the refs with slickily combed back hair.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 16, 2011, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 16, 2011, 04:55:50 PM
Also, what is up with Villa? He looked like a sack of patatoes.

He's going through a heavily dry spell. Two months without scoring or so.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on April 17, 2011, 12:12:12 PM
Stoppage time during Arsenal/Liverpool today was hilarious.  :lmfao:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on April 17, 2011, 03:47:49 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 17, 2011, 12:12:12 PM
Stoppage time during Arsenal/Liverpool today was hilarious.  :lmfao:

Eboue. What a fucking tool.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 17, 2011, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 17, 2011, 12:12:12 PM
Stoppage time during Arsenal/Liverpool today was hilarious.  :lmfao:

10 best minutes of the game. :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 21, 2011, 07:51:17 AM
So Madrid won the Spanish Cup after overtime, the little I got to see of the final was hectic and not very well played so I imagine the Special One's tactic succeeded again.

Also, apparently Ramos broke the trophy the following night by dropping it under a moving bus.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on April 21, 2011, 07:58:10 AM
I hate Real Madrid, and I dont like that Mourinho gives such an apparent green light on brutality, but otherwise it is wrong to critisize him for the defensive tactics.

Thats where they can win. Barca is clearly better one-on-one, to open up is to let them win.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 21, 2011, 08:10:32 AM
It's not wrong to critisize someone for making it an ugly game, it might be naive though. :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 21, 2011, 08:44:34 AM
Glad I decided to watch Spurs vs Arsenal instead. :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 21, 2011, 09:04:40 AM
FC Copenhagen wins the championship again, this time with a record breaking 8 rounds left. Danish football continues its decline.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 27, 2011, 04:39:09 PM
I would've loved to see the second half of Real - Barca, but had to work. It's re-aired in 30 minutes but football isn't the same when it's not live. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 27, 2011, 04:42:53 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 27, 2011, 04:39:09 PM
I would've loved to see the second half of Real - Barca, but had to work. It's re-aired in 30 minutes but football isn't the same when it's not live. :(

I agree. I had it recorded and was going to watch it when I got home from work. But just as I was driving home and went to listen to the traffic report, the guy on the radio gave the score.  :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 27, 2011, 05:22:35 PM
You should just watch the highlights, the game was awful.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on April 27, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
I watched the Real Madrid-Barcelona game on FX (a real cable channel! congrats soccerfags). While the game was a snoozer, I enjoyed the cheapshots.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on April 28, 2011, 04:08:54 PM
Porto 5 Villareal 1
Not as one-sided as the score indicates. Villareal actually had a good first half and scored at the end of it. However, Falcao scored 4 times starting right at the beginning of the second half.

Benfica 2 Braga 1

Still hope for a Northern Portuguese UEFA cup final ;) Didn't see the game so I can't comment.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on April 28, 2011, 06:00:14 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
I watched the Real Madrid-Barcelona game on FX (a real cable channel! congrats soccerfags). While the game was a snoozer, I enjoyed the cheapshots.

I believe the Champions League Final will be broadcast on the main FOX network station.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 28, 2011, 06:33:25 PM
When is that? Gotta book the day off work.  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on April 28, 2011, 07:21:42 PM
Quote from: Josephus on April 28, 2011, 06:33:25 PM
When is that? Gotta book the day off work.  :)

May 28th.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on April 28, 2011, 07:27:14 PM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2011, 07:21:42 PM
May 28th.

Bah! Shouldn't be played on a saturday.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on April 28, 2011, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: Liep on April 28, 2011, 07:27:14 PM
Quote from: The Larch on April 28, 2011, 07:21:42 PM
May 28th.

Bah! Shouldn't be played on a saturday.

Yeah, it's normally on Wednesdays. I guess I won't have to book the day off to see Man U v. B'lona...or whomever meets in the final.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on April 28, 2011, 09:36:55 PM
Last years was on Saturday as well.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on May 16, 2011, 08:36:47 PM
http://youtu.be/t2Ji_vjkjv4  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on May 28, 2011, 05:58:38 PM
Well...was that not an amazing display.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on May 28, 2011, 06:05:50 PM
Yeah I thought it was a very good final.
Some great goals.

I'm happy that Barca won.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on May 28, 2011, 06:54:44 PM
I´m not though my hatred for both sides made this one of those times I´m sorry that both sides cannot lose.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on May 29, 2011, 06:46:11 AM
Things look tough for Porto in the  coming European Supercup :(
Good final though, unsurprisingly much better than the previous one between Porto and Braga.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on May 29, 2011, 06:59:32 AM
Great game, and Barcelona is one of the historical great sides, the way I see it.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on May 30, 2011, 01:57:19 AM
Anyone else enjoying FIFA destroying themselves?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Agelastus on May 30, 2011, 03:55:11 AM
Quote from: Liep on May 30, 2011, 01:57:19 AM
Anyone else enjoying FIFA destroying themselves?

I would be if Sepp Blatter hadn't managed, yet again, to dodge a deserved lynching. :glare:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on May 30, 2011, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Liep on May 30, 2011, 01:57:19 AM
Anyone else enjoying FIFA destroying themselves?

They aren't doing it properly.
If the UN council on human rights is a joke, FIFA is an even bigger one. It's actually on par with the IOC, one of the funniest post-war jokes.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 04, 2011, 04:59:52 PM
Portugal 1 Norway 0

A patient though not brilliant Portugal overcame a serious Norway.
Goal scored by Postiga, no less ;)

3 teams  in the group with 10 points: Portugal, Norway and Denmark.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on June 05, 2011, 02:16:50 AM
For once, I didn't watch the game, as I was otherwise occupied, but from what I have read, Norway didn't suck completely, which is a surprise. But the lumbering incompetent up front did suck.

Carew = not a class act. He peaked when he was around 20 and it's been all downhill since then. I mean, what kind of a supposed "international class" striker is released by Aston Villa and rejected by Stoke?  :huh:

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on June 06, 2011, 06:48:42 PM
This got me a few odd looks at work when I laughed out loud. Courtesy The Guardian's Barry Glendenning, about England/Switzerland:

Quote
FATIGUE BLAMED FOR FAILURE OF WELL-PAID ELITE ENGLISH ATHLETES, MANY OF WHOM
ARE ASKED TO PLAY FOOTBALL AS OFTEN AS TWICE A WEEK
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on June 06, 2011, 06:51:16 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on June 06, 2011, 07:15:31 PM
It sounds funny but...its true. Playing at the top of your game does take it out of you. And then they've training too.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on June 06, 2011, 07:19:08 PM
I enjoyed Spain spanking the Yankee pigs.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on June 07, 2011, 01:06:53 PM
Germany is winning against Azerbaijan. That will almost seal the qualification campaign for the Euro 2012 for Germany.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on June 07, 2011, 01:17:59 PM
Canada v USA today. :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on June 07, 2011, 06:01:57 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 06, 2011, 07:19:08 PM
I enjoyed Spain spanking the Yankee pigs.

Revenge for 1898.  :(

USA ! USA ! USA !
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on June 08, 2011, 08:29:59 AM
Liverpool are buying Henderson for 20 mil it seems.
On the one hand...our good young player being stolen by the big boys. Where have I heard that one before?
On the other...he wasn't THAT great. And 20 million is a lot....
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 08, 2011, 09:31:00 AM
Quote from: Josephus on June 07, 2011, 01:17:59 PM
Canada v USA today. :)

Maybe if they let Canada play on skates they wouldn't suck so hard.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on June 08, 2011, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 08, 2011, 09:31:00 AM
Quote from: Josephus on June 07, 2011, 01:17:59 PM
Canada v USA today. :)

Maybe if they let Canada play on skates they wouldn't suck so hard.
It was once explained to me that the reason that canada sucks in soccer is that most of our immigrant from soccer playing nations live in the east, but our training facilities are in BC so if you're good at soccer you have to be willing to pull up stakes for very little money and move out west. don't know if it's true, but it makes sense.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on June 08, 2011, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: HVC on June 08, 2011, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 08, 2011, 09:31:00 AM
Quote from: Josephus on June 07, 2011, 01:17:59 PM
Canada v USA today. :)

Maybe if they let Canada play on skates they wouldn't suck so hard.
It was once explained to me that the reason that canada sucks in soccer is that most of our immigrant from soccer playing nations live in the east, but our training facilities are in BC so if you're good at soccer you have to be willing to pull up stakes for very little money and move out west. don't know if it's true, but it makes sense.

Nonsense. Maybe 50 years ago. But most of our players are now professionals playing abroad.

The Americans are just better than us cause they put a lot more money into their program than we do. Canada warms up against Equador. USA warms up against Spain. 'nuff said.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 08, 2011, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: Josephus on June 08, 2011, 10:16:44 AM
Nonsense. Maybe 50 years ago. But most of our players are now professionals playing abroad.

The Americans are just better than us cause they put a lot more money into their program than we do. Canada warms up against Equador. USA warms up against Spain. 'nuff said.

Canada needs to beat those Caribbean and Central American teams and finish 3rd behind Mexico and the USA.  For the most part they fail to do that.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on June 08, 2011, 10:31:14 AM
Quote from: Josephus on June 08, 2011, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: HVC on June 08, 2011, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 08, 2011, 09:31:00 AM
Quote from: Josephus on June 07, 2011, 01:17:59 PM
Canada v USA today. :)

Maybe if they let Canada play on skates they wouldn't suck so hard.
It was once explained to me that the reason that canada sucks in soccer is that most of our immigrant from soccer playing nations live in the east, but our training facilities are in BC so if you're good at soccer you have to be willing to pull up stakes for very little money and move out west. don't know if it's true, but it makes sense.

Nonsense. Maybe 50 years ago. But most of our players are now professionals playing abroad.

The Americans are just better than us cause they put a lot more money into their program than we do. Canada warms up against Equador. USA warms up against Spain. 'nuff said.


But even to get to the point of being good enough to play abbroad you need youth training, which is out west, isn't it? (i mean the "really good" federation paid facilities that is) So it still culls our really promising but poor youth.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on June 08, 2011, 11:14:24 AM
Toronto and Montreal have some pretty decent facilities. Not sure about Montreal, but Toronto now has a youth academy where they start training teens with potential. But granted this is a fairly recent project.
The Americans sucked as well until the early 80s when massive funding in the soccer infrastructure was started.
But Valmy's right...there's no reason not to finish third but we always fall behind Jamaica or even Trinidad. I think last gold cup we lost to Guadaloupe.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2011, 11:18:31 AM
What exactly is "the soccer infrastructure"?

I figured we stopped sucking so fiercely in the 80s because soccer became a mainstream sport at the high school level around then.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on June 08, 2011, 11:57:05 AM
Training facilties, stadiums, a league of their own, youth academies; professional teams; sponsorships of college teams, coach/player development. That sort of shit.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on June 08, 2011, 12:16:22 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2011, 11:18:31 AM
What exactly is "the soccer infrastructure"?

I figured we stopped sucking so fiercely in the 80s because soccer became a mainstream sport at the high school level around then.

Soccer infrastructure consists of a competitive top-tier league at one end, and at the other a system of youth leagues and youth development. Essentially, a set of clubs and academies for identifying footballing talent at a young age, developing it, and then pushing the players into a professional league system that is of sufficient quality so they are noticed by talent scouts from European clubs.

Supporting this basic structure are things like qualified coaches, stadia, sponsorship arrangements, TV broadcast rights, and regional and international competitions. Match attendence also helps but, as small European countries show, this is not vital for churning out technically excellent footballers for export.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 08, 2011, 02:46:34 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2011, 11:18:31 AM
What exactly is "the soccer infrastructure"?

I figured we stopped sucking so fiercely in the 80s because soccer became a mainstream sport at the high school level around then.

And that allowed us to construct our Soccer Pyramid system that we have put together in the past decade.

Note though Jos that there are Canadian teams in our Pyramid so really Canada should be benefiting from this "infrastructure".  And they still might in the long term.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on June 08, 2011, 05:23:52 PM
They will...but until recently most of the players developed through this infrastructure were American. It's only since Toronto joined the league five years ago that similar initiatives have been launched here for Canadian players.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on June 09, 2011, 02:35:19 AM
Quote from: Warspite on June 08, 2011, 12:16:22 PM

Supporting this basic structure are things like qualified coaches, stadia, sponsorship arrangements, TV broadcast rights, and regional and international competitions. Match attendence also helps but, as small European countries show, this is not vital for churning out technically excellent footballers for export.

Money definitely plays a huge part. Getting the financial backing should be a number one priority. My local club spent 60 % of its income solely on under-soil heating for the pitch during winter.

Soccer infrastructure can become limited by huge geographical distances, but not necessarily so. The teams in top-flight have the funds to support the travel costs in, say, Norway, while second-tier clubs that travel just as much notice a significant expenditure which again will limit the scope for signings and support staff elsewhere. On the other hand, not travelling would mean playing local teams and getting less exposure to quality opponents.

Soccer infrastructure would, in my opinion, also include a "cultural" component. Most European countries now have at least 100 years of soccer behind them where animosities and strengths and weaknesses have developed along with club brand names. There are definite traits for each country in the way they approach the game. I read an old newspaper report when I was doing some research about how the Danish press complained about the Norwegian high-tempo long-ball game. In 1918. Fast forward to 2011, and you will find the exact same criticism.

Looking at the North American situation, I notice that East Coast US had several leagues and well-funded clubs like Bethlehem Steel back in the 1920s and 1930s, and many of them based around immigrant communities. Further reading led to the conclusion that almost all of them folded due to financial problems.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2011, 08:08:25 AM
Quote from: Norgy on June 09, 2011, 02:35:19 AM
Looking at the North American situation, I notice that East Coast US had several leagues and well-funded clubs like Bethlehem Steel back in the 1920s and 1930s, and many of them based around immigrant communities. Further reading led to the conclusion that almost all of them folded due to financial problems.

The Depression ruined many a sports club.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on June 09, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Still, the US fielded a fairly strong team for the first World Cup.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2011, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: Norgy on June 09, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Still, the US fielded a fairly strong team for the first World Cup.

We did until that generation died off.  Between WWII and the 1970s soccer went into hibernation.  Heck I remember in the 1980s I had to watch the World Cup in Spanish.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on June 09, 2011, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: Norgy on June 09, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Still, the US fielded a fairly strong team for the first World Cup.

You think that's crazy? The first international cricket match was between... the US and Canada.  :bowler:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on June 09, 2011, 05:43:45 PM
Quote from: Warspite on June 09, 2011, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: Norgy on June 09, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Still, the US fielded a fairly strong team for the first World Cup.

You think that's crazy? The first international cricket match was between... the US and Canada.  :bowler:
:blink:
Really?
I thought cricket long pre-dated either of them. I'd have thought it'd be India-England or England-Ireland or somesuch.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 09, 2011, 10:37:01 PM
Quote from: Tyr on June 09, 2011, 05:43:45 PM
:blink:
Really?
I thought cricket long pre-dated either of them. I'd have thought it'd be India-England or England-Ireland or somesuch.

So you think it predates the USA (1776) and Canada (1867) but not Ireland (1921) or India (1947)? :hmm:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on June 10, 2011, 07:01:13 AM
I just saw a clip of Ronaldo's final moments with the Brazilian national team. Holy crap that guy turned into a whale-he looked like some middle aged fan that the team gave a uniform and tossed out there.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on June 10, 2011, 07:20:47 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 09, 2011, 10:37:01 PM
Quote from: Tyr on June 09, 2011, 05:43:45 PM
:blink:
Really?
I thought cricket long pre-dated either of them. I'd have thought it'd be India-England or England-Ireland or somesuch.

So you think it predates the USA (1776) and Canada (1867) but not Ireland (1921) or India (1947)? :hmm:
Ireland didn't join the union until after the USA was formed. And even then Ireland didn't cease to exist as shown by all those England-Scotland matches in various sports.
India was formed in 1858. And even before then there was an idea of India with sporting clubs being formed by Brits there.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on June 10, 2011, 08:22:49 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 10, 2011, 07:01:13 AM
I just saw a clip of Ronaldo's final moments with the Brazilian national team. Holy crap that guy turned into a whale-he looked like some middle aged fan that the team gave a uniform and tossed out there.

Dude likes his hookers and candy.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 22, 2011, 11:39:13 AM
Big game against Panama today.

The USA has been really sucky in the Gold Cup so far but destiny demands a Mexico v USA championship so do not suck tonight boys.  I hope Altidore gets back soon  :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Razgovory on June 22, 2011, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 09, 2011, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: Norgy on June 09, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Still, the US fielded a fairly strong team for the first World Cup.

We did until that generation died off.  Between WWII and the 1970s soccer went into hibernation.  Heck I remember in the 1980s I had to watch the World Cup in Spanish.

I had a great grandfather who was a professional soccer player for St. Louis.  Not sure when, I think it was like the first couple decades of the 20th century.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on June 22, 2011, 02:20:58 PM
Have you got any more info on him?

Could be interesting to hear what it took to become a professional athlete back then.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on June 22, 2011, 05:29:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2011, 11:39:13 AM
Big game against Panama today.

The USA has been really sucky in the Gold Cup so far but destiny demands a Mexico v USA championship so do not suck tonight boys.  I hope Altidore gets back soon  :(

Altidore had been having a good tournament. It must be really eating him up that he pulled his hamstring. I was hoping he would have some sort of "breakout" tournament where he suddenly turns into a prolific striker. We need one. Bad.  :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on June 22, 2011, 08:18:10 PM
Freddy Adu subbed in for Agudelo, hit a great diagonal ball to Donovan to start the counterattack that led immediately to the winning goal, and after dribbling past two defenders would have had an assist if not for Bradley flubbing up his shot/pass(?).
It's good to see him getting another chance and playing very well. :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 22, 2011, 08:54:00 PM
I have to admit...20 years of having an anemic offense does get old.

Ah well on to the finals!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on June 26, 2011, 08:05:49 AM
Gold Cup final USA-Mexico was fun, as always.

I'd say the best thing to come out of the tournament for the US was Adu playing well. He looked really up to it and it's great to have a player on the team who knows how to dribble past defenders for once.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on June 26, 2011, 08:14:02 AM
It was a great game to watch as well...though it seemed as though the US was the away team. I think this is one of the best Mexican sides ever assembled.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on June 26, 2011, 08:29:32 AM
Quote from: Josephus on June 26, 2011, 08:14:02 AM
It was a great game to watch as well...though it seemed as though the US was the away team. I think this is one of the best Mexican sides ever assembled.

Yeah. Most of the 93,000 in the Rose Bowl were supporting Mexico. Understandable since the game was in L.A.

I was concerned after the US went 2-0 up. I'm not used to our team being 2 goals up within 30 minutes. I knew something was going to ruin it. Then Cherundolo got injured.  :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on June 26, 2011, 10:59:59 AM
In other news, the Women's World Cup begins...and Canada has a decent medal shot. Go Canada!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on June 26, 2011, 02:53:23 PM
Quote from: Tyr on June 10, 2011, 07:20:47 AM
Ireland didn't join the union until after the USA was formed. And even then Ireland didn't cease to exist as shown by all those England-Scotland matches in various sports.

???
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Razgovory on June 26, 2011, 05:42:40 PM
Quote from: Norgy on June 22, 2011, 02:20:58 PM
Have you got any more info on him?

Could be interesting to hear what it took to become a professional athlete back then.

I'll have to ask my dad.  I gathered he didn't get paid much though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on June 26, 2011, 05:56:31 PM
Quote from: Josephus on June 26, 2011, 08:14:02 AM
It was a great game to watch as well...though it seemed as though the US was the away team. I think this is one of the best Mexican sides ever assembled.

That always happens.  We have alot of traitors over here.

Of course they wont freaking play soccer, or support our pro clubs...or do anything involved with advancing the game over here...but they go and cheer for Mexico when they show up.  But I ain't bitter no sir.

In any case it was USA v Mexico as it should be in any CONCACAF championship and this time they kicked our ass.  But we will be back!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on June 26, 2011, 06:47:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 26, 2011, 05:56:31 PM

That always happens.  We have alot of traitors over here.

Of course they wont freaking play soccer, or support our pro clubs...or do anything involved with advancing the game over here...but they go and cheer for Mexico when they show up.  But I ain't bitter no sir.


It happens all the time here, in Canada, especially in Toronto. Just recently Canada had a warmup game against Ecauador just before the Gold Cup. There were 18,000 people in the stadium...17500 of which were wearing Ecuadorian colours.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on June 26, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
Haha River Plate.  :lol: I guess this means no more superclasico? (although Boca may be joining them before to long the way they have been playing)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on July 03, 2011, 02:24:03 PM
Watching Copa America matches live on YouTube is :cool:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 03, 2011, 04:15:28 PM
Youtube has live Copa America games?

anyways, saw the Brazil game on TV, pretty boring. Brazil really need to get their act together in three years.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on July 03, 2011, 04:29:16 PM
Yep they are broadcasting the whole thing apparently.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 07, 2011, 04:24:46 PM
FIFA, the asswipes, are considering three "halves" for the WC in Qatar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/8621726/World-Cup-in-2022-could-become-a-game-of-three-halves-in-the-40-degree-heat-of-Qatar.html
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on July 07, 2011, 04:28:19 PM
:wtf:
That...would be just bizzare as a one off change.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on July 08, 2011, 02:41:04 AM
They should consider moving the World Cup somewhere better. Like Europe.
Fucking Quatar.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on July 08, 2011, 09:29:41 AM
If FIFA can propose turning the sport into trimesters, then I'm not going to be embarrassed to propose with my fellow americans that the goal size be increased.  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on July 08, 2011, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: Josephus on July 07, 2011, 04:24:46 PM
FIFA, the asswipes, are considering three "halves" for the WC in Qatar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/8621726/World-Cup-in-2022-could-become-a-game-of-three-halves-in-the-40-degree-heat-of-Qatar.html

What kind of stupid shit is that?  PLay the freaking game.  If your team cannot run up and down for 45 minutes in the heat you will lose.  Period.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on July 08, 2011, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 08, 2011, 09:29:41 AM
If FIFA can propose turning the sport into trimesters, then I'm not going to be embarrassed to propose with my fellow americans that the goal size be increased.  :)

And a goal, depending on where it's scored from, should give 1, 2.5, 3 or 4.7 points.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on July 08, 2011, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: Norgy on July 08, 2011, 12:14:18 PM
And a goal, depending on where it's scored from, should give 1, 2.5, 3 or 4.7 points.

That is idiotic.  kicking the ball over the goal should be 1 point, kicking it in the goal should be worth 6 points and punching the goalie in the face and stealing his pants should be worth 20.  Now that I could get behind.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Agelastus on July 08, 2011, 12:21:26 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 08, 2011, 11:02:54 AM
Quote from: Josephus on July 07, 2011, 04:24:46 PM
FIFA, the asswipes, are considering three "halves" for the WC in Qatar.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/8621726/World-Cup-in-2022-could-become-a-game-of-three-halves-in-the-40-degree-heat-of-Qatar.html

What kind of stupid shit is that?  PLay the freaking game.  If your team cannot run up and down for 45 minutes in the heat you will lose.  Period.

If they're really that worried, it would make more sense to split it into quarters and have a couple of minute long drinks breaks at the quarter and three quarter mark.

If you did split the game into thirds one team could quite easily have an unfair advantage over the other simply because of the direction the wind is blowing.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Barrister on July 08, 2011, 12:39:39 PM
There is nothing wrong with dividing a sporting game up into thirds.  And since you can't call them halves or quarters, you might as well call them periods.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Agelastus on July 08, 2011, 01:10:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 08, 2011, 12:39:39 PM
There is nothing wrong with dividing a sporting game up into thirds.  And since you can't call them halves or quarters, you might as well call them periods.

Are they all going to be indoor venues in Qatar, then? The idea of halves for an outdoor ball game is that neither side suffers a disadvantage due to the wind or other environmental factors - if you split it into thirds one team is going to have an advantage by default.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on July 08, 2011, 01:40:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 08, 2011, 12:39:39 PM
There is nothing wrong with dividing a sporting game up into thirds.  And since you can't call them halves or quarters, you might as well call them periods.

And midfielder is a lame name for a position.  We should call them left and right wingers.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on July 08, 2011, 01:49:58 PM
I could maybe see a case for calling for a 5 minute break when there's a dead ball around 30 mins and 65 mins but totally altering the game into thirds...no.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on July 13, 2011, 03:09:27 PM
Sweden getting spanked by Japan :o
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on July 13, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 08, 2011, 12:39:39 PM
And since you can't call them halves or quarters, you might as well call them periods.

Only in the Women's World Cup.

Yes. I went there.  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 13, 2011, 04:13:32 PM
Quote from: Norgy on July 13, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 08, 2011, 12:39:39 PM
And since you can't call them halves or quarters, you might as well call them periods.

Only in the Women's World Cup.

Yes. I went there.  :Embarrass:

boo....hiss...... :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2011, 03:36:16 PM
US and Jippon tied 1-1 in regulation, going to extra time.

Some of the US players are pretty alright looking too.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on July 17, 2011, 04:16:21 PM
Yeah I watched the first 20 minutes in the waiting room at the doctor's office. The Americans were definitely more attractive than the Japanese. They played much better too, at least while I watched.

When did the Japanese pull themselves together? Or did they just get incredibly lucky?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on July 17, 2011, 04:23:28 PM
I'm glad team USA lost. Women sports.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2011, 04:24:39 PM
:bleeding:

You fucking lebiangs. 

US misses 3 in the shoot out to hand the Cup to the Nips.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on July 17, 2011, 04:26:03 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2011, 04:24:39 PM
:bleeding:

You fucking lebiangs. 

US misses 3 in the shoot out to hand the Cup to the Nips.

They should have stayed in the kitchen where they belong.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Kleves on July 17, 2011, 04:53:36 PM
This is why we didn't let women fight WWII. :contract:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on July 17, 2011, 05:27:05 PM
Take heart US Women's Team; you are still better at penalties than Brazil's Men's Team.  :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

http://youtu.be/nspV77DpD-I
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 17, 2011, 06:52:25 PM
This wimenz world cup was actually a lot better than I expected. A lot of the games were nail-biting exciting, and the final was far better than many of the mens games. Many of the chicks were pretty hot too. Bit disappointed that the players don't exchange shirts at the end, though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on July 17, 2011, 07:22:43 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 17, 2011, 06:52:25 PM
This wimenz world cup was actually a lot better than I expected. A lot of the games were nail-biting exciting, and the final was far better than many of the mens games. Many of the chicks were pretty hot too. Bit disappointed that the players don't exchange shirts at the end, though.
I sat through extra time and penalties just for hugs and smiles. :ultra:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2011, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2011, 04:24:39 PM
:bleeding:

You fucking lebiangs. 

US misses 3 in the shoot out to hand the Cup to the Nips.

Yeah, they had their chances.  Especially when it could've been 3-0 going into the half.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on July 18, 2011, 05:13:18 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 17, 2011, 05:27:05 PM
Take heart US Women's Team; you are still better at penalties than Brazil's Men's Team.  :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

http://youtu.be/nspV77DpD-I

Awesome Copa América, both Brazil and Argentina down in 1/4s. The semis are Uruguay - Peru and Venezuela - Paraguay.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Grey Fox on July 18, 2011, 05:50:55 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 18, 2011, 05:13:18 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 17, 2011, 05:27:05 PM
Take heart US Women's Team; you are still better at penalties than Brazil's Men's Team.  :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

http://youtu.be/nspV77DpD-I

Awesome Copa América, both Brazil and Argentina down in 1/4s. The semis are Uruguay - Peru and Venezuela - Paraguay.

Nice. Will the final by an all guay affair?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on July 18, 2011, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 18, 2011, 05:50:55 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 18, 2011, 05:13:18 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 17, 2011, 05:27:05 PM
Take heart US Women's Team; you are still better at penalties than Brazil's Men's Team.  :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

http://youtu.be/nspV77DpD-I

Awesome Copa América, both Brazil and Argentina down in 1/4s. The semis are Uruguay - Peru and Venezuela - Paraguay.

Nice. Will the final by an all guay affair?

Always root for the guays.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on July 21, 2011, 02:07:25 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 18, 2011, 05:50:55 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 18, 2011, 05:13:18 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 17, 2011, 05:27:05 PM
Take heart US Women's Team; you are still better at penalties than Brazil's Men's Team.  :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

http://youtu.be/nspV77DpD-I

Awesome Copa América, both Brazil and Argentina down in 1/4s. The semis are Uruguay - Peru and Venezuela - Paraguay.

Nice. Will the final by an all guay affair?

And a -guay final it is, Uruguay will meet Paraguay on sunday.

Funnily enough, Paraguay hasn't won a single match in the whole tournament, having drawn all 3 matches in the group stage and qualified as last of the 8 quarter finalists, and won bot the 1/4s and semis on penalties. Also funnily enough, they have only played against 3 other teams despite playing 5 matches (they played Brazil and Venezuela twice, once in the group stage and another in the knockout rounds).
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Pat on July 22, 2011, 11:53:12 AM
http://img37.picoodle.com/i57j/alyyx/1i77_32c_u93ul.jpg

"Stay classy, America"
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on July 22, 2011, 12:09:24 PM
Quote from: Pat on July 22, 2011, 11:53:12 AM
http://img37.picoodle.com/i57j/alyyx/1i77_32c_u93ul.jpg

"Stay classy, America"

There is really nothing the internet cannot turn into a racial or nationalist slur of some kind.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gaijin de Moscu on July 22, 2011, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: Pat on July 22, 2011, 11:53:12 AM
http://img37.picoodle.com/i57j/alyyx/1i77_32c_u93ul.jpg

"Stay classy, America"

Good one.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2011, 03:26:54 PM
Quote from: Pat on July 22, 2011, 11:53:12 AM
http://img37.picoodle.com/i57j/alyyx/1i77_32c_u93ul.jpg

"Stay classy, America"

:lol: Awesomeness.

"Congrachurations Japan"
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2011, 03:34:24 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 22, 2011, 12:09:24 PM
Quote from: Pat on July 22, 2011, 11:53:12 AM
http://img37.picoodle.com/i57j/alyyx/1i77_32c_u93ul.jpg

"Stay classy, America"

There is really nothing the internet cannot turn into a racial or nationalist slur of some kind.

No joke.  And the Japanese are one of the most xenophobic and racist cultures out there.

I'd love to see the Facebooks of all the rittle Japs that take a big dump on China every September 16th.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on July 26, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
Haha River Plate.  :lol: I guess this means no more superclasico? (although Boca may be joining them before to long the way they have been playing)

Guess what, just after River got relegated, the Argentine FA is announcing that for the 2012/13 season divisions 1 and 2 of the Argentine footie piramid will merge, creating a top division with 38 teams on it. It'll be divided in two 19 team groups, being Boca in one group and River in the other. Teams will play against the other teams in their groups and "clásicos" will be played between one team from each group ocasionally. After 19 games teams will be divided again into two groups, a "Championship" group that will play for the title and the rest that will battle against relegation. And it seems to have been approved almost unanimously by all the teams. Talk about a broken country...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on July 26, 2011, 10:38:58 AM
In other news:

- Uruguay won the Copa América after defeating Paraguay 3 - 0 in the final.
- The coach of the Argentine national team got fired.
- Balotelli displayed once more his asshattishness. At least it was on a friendly, but Mancini was not amused.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on July 26, 2011, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 26, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
Haha River Plate.  :lol: I guess this means no more superclasico? (although Boca may be joining them before to long the way they have been playing)

Guess what, just after River got relegated, the Argentine FA is announcing that for the 2012/13 season divisions 1 and 2 of the Argentine footie piramid will merge, creating a top division with 38 teams on it. It'll be divided in two 19 team groups, being Boca in one group and River in the other. Teams will play against the other teams in their groups and "clásicos" will be played between one team from each group ocasionally. After 19 games teams will be divided again into two groups, a "Championship" group that will play for the title and the rest that will battle against relegation. And it seems to have been approved almost unanimously by all the teams. Talk about a broken country...

So they changed their entire league structure to "save" River from relegation?  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on July 26, 2011, 04:32:22 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 26, 2011, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 26, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
Haha River Plate.  :lol: I guess this means no more superclasico? (although Boca may be joining them before to long the way they have been playing)

Guess what, just after River got relegated, the Argentine FA is announcing that for the 2012/13 season divisions 1 and 2 of the Argentine footie piramid will merge, creating a top division with 38 teams on it. It'll be divided in two 19 team groups, being Boca in one group and River in the other. Teams will play against the other teams in their groups and "clásicos" will be played between one team from each group ocasionally. After 19 games teams will be divided again into two groups, a "Championship" group that will play for the title and the rest that will battle against relegation. And it seems to have been approved almost unanimously by all the teams. Talk about a broken country...

So they changed their entire league structure to "save" River from relegation?  :lol:

They'll have to spend at least one season in the 2nd division anyway, as this change won't come into effect into a couple of seasons from now, but this way they can be sure that River will be in the top flight no matter what...unless they get relegated again, I guess.  :lol:

And apparently the order for this restructuring came from above...  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on July 26, 2011, 04:40:18 PM
Here's hoping for more 'crazy old Argentinean River fan' videos.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 26, 2011, 04:46:51 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 26, 2011, 10:38:58 AM
In other news:

- Uruguay won the Copa América after defeating Paraguay 3 - 0 in the final.
- The coach of the Argentine national team got fired.
- Balotelli displayed once more his asshattishness. At least it was on a friendly, but Mancini was not amused.

The balotelli thing was amazing.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on July 26, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 26, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
Haha River Plate.  :lol: I guess this means no more superclasico? (although Boca may be joining them before to long the way they have been playing)

Guess what, just after River got relegated, the Argentine FA is announcing that for the 2012/13 season divisions 1 and 2 of the Argentine footie piramid will merge, creating a top division with 38 teams on it. It'll be divided in two 19 team groups, being Boca in one group and River in the other. Teams will play against the other teams in their groups and "clásicos" will be played between one team from each group ocasionally. After 19 games teams will be divided again into two groups, a "Championship" group that will play for the title and the rest that will battle against relegation. And it seems to have been approved almost unanimously by all the teams. Talk about a broken country...
That...hurts my head.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: alfred russel on July 26, 2011, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 26, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
Haha River Plate.  :lol: I guess this means no more superclasico? (although Boca may be joining them before to long the way they have been playing)

Guess what, just after River got relegated, the Argentine FA is announcing that for the 2012/13 season divisions 1 and 2 of the Argentine footie piramid will merge, creating a top division with 38 teams on it. It'll be divided in two 19 team groups, being Boca in one group and River in the other. Teams will play against the other teams in their groups and "clásicos" will be played between one team from each group ocasionally. After 19 games teams will be divided again into two groups, a "Championship" group that will play for the title and the rest that will battle against relegation. And it seems to have been approved almost unanimously by all the teams. Talk about a broken country...

Derspeiss would know better than me, but I've watched some local sports coverage from Argentina and even though neither Boca nor River has been good recently, they get by far the most coverage. From a fan interest perspective, I think the Argentine league is basically Boca and River and a bunch of foils for Boca and River. So I can see why they are doing this, even if it looks ridiculous. And I can see why the other teams wouldn't stand in the way--if you are the Washington Generals, you won't sell many tickets if you can't match up with the Globetrotters.

What is crazy is that teams as popular as Boca and River still aren't good, and are getting relegated. I've been told that is because the top levels of Argentine football are incredibly corrupt, and make decisions like turning over the national team to Maradona, but I don't know.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on July 26, 2011, 08:33:44 PM
It's like the Maple Leafs in hockey.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on July 27, 2011, 01:55:58 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 26, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 26, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
Haha River Plate.  :lol: I guess this means no more superclasico? (although Boca may be joining them before to long the way they have been playing)

Guess what, just after River got relegated, the Argentine FA is announcing that for the 2012/13 season divisions 1 and 2 of the Argentine footie piramid will merge, creating a top division with 38 teams on it. It'll be divided in two 19 team groups, being Boca in one group and River in the other. Teams will play against the other teams in their groups and "clásicos" will be played between one team from each group ocasionally. After 19 games teams will be divided again into two groups, a "Championship" group that will play for the title and the rest that will battle against relegation. And it seems to have been approved almost unanimously by all the teams. Talk about a broken country...
That...hurts my head.

It's not as if the current system was clearer, relegation was calculated through 3 season averages (yet River still got relegated anyway). They've been doing this since the early 80s when, you guessed it, River almost got relegated once.

And there are two league champions each season, one for the Apertura (1st leg) and another for the Clausura (2nd leg). This was after the 91-92 season, IIRC, when the winner of each leg had to play each other for the league title and, you guessed it, Boca lost the game against Newell's Old Boys, thus missing their first league title in 10 years.

Argentinian football is a mess.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on July 27, 2011, 02:18:54 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 26, 2011, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 26, 2011, 10:37:15 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 26, 2011, 07:00:49 PM
Haha River Plate.  :lol: I guess this means no more superclasico? (although Boca may be joining them before to long the way they have been playing)

Guess what, just after River got relegated, the Argentine FA is announcing that for the 2012/13 season divisions 1 and 2 of the Argentine footie piramid will merge, creating a top division with 38 teams on it. It'll be divided in two 19 team groups, being Boca in one group and River in the other. Teams will play against the other teams in their groups and "clásicos" will be played between one team from each group ocasionally. After 19 games teams will be divided again into two groups, a "Championship" group that will play for the title and the rest that will battle against relegation. And it seems to have been approved almost unanimously by all the teams. Talk about a broken country...

Derspeiss would know better than me, but I've watched some local sports coverage from Argentina and even though neither Boca nor River has been good recently, they get by far the most coverage. From a fan interest perspective, I think the Argentine league is basically Boca and River and a bunch of foils for Boca and River. So I can see why they are doing this, even if it looks ridiculous. And I can see why the other teams wouldn't stand in the way--if you are the Washington Generals, you won't sell many tickets if you can't match up with the Globetrotters.

What is crazy is that teams as popular as Boca and River still aren't good, and are getting relegated. I've been told that is because the top levels of Argentine football are incredibly corrupt, and make decisions like turning over the national team to Maradona, but I don't know.

The Argentinian football league is de facto controlled by the state, as they're the ones who have the monopoly on tv rights through a "presidential media initiative" called Football for everyone (Fútbol para todos) and thus control the main money flow for the clubs. Some club presidents from minor clubs said that they didn't agree with the restructuring but whoever pays the piper picks the song, so they had to accept.

And yes, the top levels of Argentinian football are incredibly corrupt, most of all the national FA which is the personal fiefdom of Julio Grondona, its president for the last 32 years, who also serves as FIFA's VP. On top of that both Boca and River are also incredibly mismanaged, always selling their promising youngsters at the earlier opportunity for quick bucks despite getting most of the TV rights money while also being constantly indebted. There were serious concerns about River having to fold if it didn't get promoted right away, so I guess that this is why they restructured the league.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on July 28, 2011, 02:37:36 PM
Dear me, the Norwegian clubs are really poor in Europe.  :uffda: :face: :pinch:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on July 28, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
Bob Bradley's out as coach of the US national team.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 28, 2011, 06:00:25 PM
Bit of a surprise that one. I can't remmber now, did they win the Gold Cup?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on July 28, 2011, 06:08:43 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 28, 2011, 06:00:25 PM
Bit of a surprise that one. I can't remmber now, did they win the Gold Cup?

No, lost 4-2 to Mexico, after leading 2-0.

That probably sealed his fate.  Apparantly, he had the team pressing for more goals instead of clamping down on defense when up 2-nil.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on July 28, 2011, 08:08:50 PM
Quote from: dps on July 28, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
Bob Bradley's out as coach of the US national team.

Not sure how I feel about this. I don't have this hatred of him like I've seen from a lot of USMNT supporters. The 2009 Confed Cup was wonderful and the team fared well enough in WC2010, even if the Ghana game was a disappointment. The Gold Cup performances were largely terrible, though. Bradley seems to have run out of steam, so letting him go now seems the right thing to do.

I'd like to see a foreign coach. So who's looking for a job now? Rafa?  :D :hmm:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 28, 2011, 09:08:41 PM
Mourinho might see it as a challenge. "I am the special one. I can make America win the World Cup."
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on July 28, 2011, 09:15:38 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 28, 2011, 08:08:50 PM
Quote from: dps on July 28, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
Bob Bradley's out as coach of the US national team.

Not sure how I feel about this. I don't have this hatred of him like I've seen from a lot of USMNT supporters. The 2009 Confed Cup was wonderful and the team fared well enough in WC2010, even if the Ghana game was a disappointment. The Gold Cup performances were largely terrible, though. Bradley seems to have run out of steam, so letting him go now seems the right thing to do.

I'd like to see a foreign coach. So who's looking for a job now? Rafa?  :D :hmm:

Domenech  :smarty:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on July 28, 2011, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 28, 2011, 09:08:41 PM
Mourinho might see it as a challenge. "I am the special one. I can make America win the World Cup."

yespls  :cool:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on July 29, 2011, 03:21:43 AM
Quote from: Josephus on July 28, 2011, 09:08:41 PM
Mourinho might see it as a challenge. "I am the special one. I can make America win the World Cup."

Say what you will about his personality and his Messianic complex, but he really gets results.
His tactics may not be the most good-looking, but you can't really argue with the results.

My guess is that he comes with a price tag that makes him unavailable to any club outside the top ten richest in the world, though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on July 29, 2011, 08:32:25 AM
El Diego for USMNT coach.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on July 29, 2011, 09:04:18 AM
Being a club manager and being a national manager are very different things.
Though I am curious how he would do as US manager.

QuoteDear me, the Norwegian clubs are really poor in Europe.  :uffda: :face: :pinch:
You should merge with the other Scandis into one league. You could get up to a pretty good standard then IMO.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 29, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
Rumour has it that Klinsmann is being touted.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on July 29, 2011, 09:36:40 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 29, 2011, 09:04:18 AM

You should merge with the other Scandis into one league. You could get up to a pretty good standard then IMO.

The idea has been out there for a while. The attempt to create a Nordic league in winter in the form of Royal League (the name is an ABERRATION!!) crashed.

Problems: Should each country have quotas? 3-4 teams from each country? Distances. Scandinavia is huge. From Tromsø to Malmö, that's really far, and with only a handful of clubs managing above 15.000 on average attendance, I see the financial problems becoming huge. You could of course just start with franchises like in North America.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on July 29, 2011, 09:46:55 AM
Quote from: Norgy on July 29, 2011, 09:36:40 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 29, 2011, 09:04:18 AM

You should merge with the other Scandis into one league. You could get up to a pretty good standard then IMO.

The idea has been out there for a while. The attempt to create a Nordic league in winter in the form of Royal League (the name is an ABERRATION!!) crashed.

Problems: Should each country have quotas? 3-4 teams from each country? Distances. Scandinavia is huge. From Tromsø to Malmö, that's really far, and with only a handful of clubs managing above 15.000 on average attendance, I see the financial problems becoming huge. You could of course just start with franchises like in North America.

The other problem is that FIFA and UEFA have also killed the idea of multinational leagues. There was some talk of a "Habsburg" league with the best teams from Croatia, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Austria and Hungary, in order to make an actually competitive and financially viable central European football system.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on July 29, 2011, 11:20:53 AM
That's a pity, since those countries already had competitions running back in the 1930s and had some of the best players in pre-war Europe.

I think FIFA is useless.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on July 29, 2011, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: Josephus on July 29, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
Rumour has it that Klinsmann is being touted.

Yup, it's him.

http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2011/07/Klinsmann-Named-Head-Coach-of-US-MNT.aspx
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on July 29, 2011, 12:05:08 PM
Quote from: Norgy on July 29, 2011, 11:20:53 AM
That's a pity, since those countries already had competitions running back in the 1930s and had some of the best players in pre-war Europe.

I think FIFA is useless.

It is a massive pity since right now these countries have jokes of leagues (I can't speak for the others, but Croatia could do fine with a top league of four teams), whereas a more competitive system for the top clubs - tougher fixtures, bigger attendances, more viewers, more revenue - would mean better wages, better training systems.

Football would be the winner, but not FIFA and UEFA who would lose their stranglehold over the running of the game (and the latter over lucrative European competition).
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on July 29, 2011, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 29, 2011, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: Josephus on July 29, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
Rumour has it that Klinsmann is being touted.

Yup, it's him.

http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2011/07/Klinsmann-Named-Head-Coach-of-US-MNT.aspx

Not a surprise, in a way, since apparantly Gulati had wanted him before giving the job to Bradley (which was part of the reason Bradley had an "interim" tag on his title for so long). 
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2011, 05:40:09 PM
He was smooth in the announcer's box during the WC.  No clue if he's a good choice or not.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on July 29, 2011, 06:15:19 PM
I also enjoyed the nazi references he and his booth buddies did during the World Cup on ESPN.  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on July 30, 2011, 03:17:03 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2011, 05:40:09 PM
He was smooth in the announcer's box during the WC.  No clue if he's a good choice or not.

He was a top player. Really good. And when he was coaching Germany, it seemed like the players loved him, which I think might be a good start. Since he's a bit of a charismatic type too, he's a good choice for spreading the gospel of soccer. I think the US has made a good choice.


Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2011, 03:51:38 AM
Quote from: Norgy on July 30, 2011, 03:17:03 AM
He was a top player. Really good. And when he was coaching Germany, it seemed like the players loved him, which I think might be a good start. Since he's a bit of a charismatic type too, he's a good choice for spreading the gospel of soccer. I think the US has made a good choice.

Good to know. :cheers:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 30, 2011, 03:13:12 PM
World Cup qualifiers made.

In Europe, some poor, easy groups and one noticeble group of death that features Spain, France, Belarus, Georgia, Finland.

England get Montenegro, Ukraine, Poland, Moldovia and San Marino.

Here are the UEFA groups:

A: Croatia; Serbia; Belgium; Scotland; Macedonia; Wales
B: Italy; Denmark; Czech; Bulgaria; Armenia; Malta
C: Germany; Sweden; Irelan; Austria; Faroe Is.; Kazekstan
D: Holland; Turkey; Hungary; Romania: Estonia; Andora
E: Norway: Slovenia: Switzerland; Albania; Cyprus; Iceland
F: Portugal; Russia; Israel; N. Ireland; Arzebajan; Luxembourg
G: Greece; Slovakia; Bosnia/Herz; Lithuania; Latvia; Liechtenstein
H: England; Montenegro; Ukraine; Poland; Moldovia; San Marino
I: Spain; France; Belarus; Georgia; Finland.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on July 30, 2011, 03:21:20 PM
How did Norway and Greece end up as 1st seeds? Anyhow, with Italy and the Czechs in our group we're not going to Brazil.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 30, 2011, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: Liep on July 30, 2011, 03:21:20 PM
How did Norway and Greece end up as 1st seeds? Anyhow, with Italy and the Czechs in our group we're not going to Brazil.

You should be able to beat the Czechs...it's Malta you ought to worry about.  ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on July 30, 2011, 05:30:53 PM
Well this is a disaster, the last thing we needed was the grudge match against Serbia in Belgrade.

Either UEFA will insist on closed door games, or the asshat hooligans on both sides are going to cause trouble and get both of us deducted points.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on July 31, 2011, 03:09:25 AM
Quote from: Liep on July 30, 2011, 03:21:20 PM
How did Norway and Greece end up as 1st seeds? Anyhow, with Italy and the Czechs in our group we're not going to Brazil.

The FIFA ranking. Which is bonkers.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on July 31, 2011, 05:05:35 AM
Group A is kind of interesting though. Pretty much everyone has a decent shot at second place.
Same thing with Groups E and G, except for the token minnows.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on July 31, 2011, 05:37:07 AM
Groups E and G will ensure that two good teams from Europe, capable of playing exciting, attacking football, will not be at the World Cup. Instead, we will have workmanlike defence and counterattacking from mediocre players. <_<
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on July 31, 2011, 06:12:32 AM
Quote from: Warspite on July 31, 2011, 05:37:07 AM
Groups E and G will ensure that two good teams from Europe, capable of playing exciting, attacking football, will not be at the World Cup. Instead, we will have workmanlike defence and counterattacking from mediocre players. <_<

True, I was just trying to find an upside by looking at the group stage only.
On the other hand, I made a handsome amount of cash by predicting Greece would win Euro 2004  :hmm:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on July 31, 2011, 08:29:47 AM
How does the "best 8 second place teams" work? In one group, the last one, they play one less game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on July 31, 2011, 09:01:49 AM
Quote from: Josephus on July 31, 2011, 08:29:47 AM
How does the "best 8 second place teams" work? In one group, the last one, they play one less game.

The points won against the 6th placed team isn't counted.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 12, 2011, 06:07:05 PM
Soccer on an American network broadcast station? :o :o :o  :cool:

I eagerly await watching an ad for LA Galaxy vs. NYRB during a Notre Dame commercial break.

QuoteNEW YORK - Major League Soccer​ (MLS) and the NBC Sports Group today announced a three-year media rights agreement, which commences at the start of the 2012 MLS season. The partnership calls for 45 MLS games and four U.S. Men's National Team contests to be televised live across both NBC and NBC Sports Network each season. This marks the first rights deal for the newly-named cable channel that will be re-branded from VERSUS on Jan. 2, 2012.  The announcement was made today by MLS Commissioner and Soccer United Marketing CEO Don Garber and Mark Lazarus, Chairman, NBC Sports Group.

"Everyone at the NBC Sports Group is thrilled to begin this partnership with Major League Soccer," said Lazarus. "MLS is a perfect fit for our new group, and we are uniquely positioned to help grow soccer in the United States with extensive coverage on NBC Sports Network, significant programming on the broadcast network and our growing digital platforms. Additionally, this agreement complements the partnerships that five of our regional sports networks have with their local MLS teams."

Each season, NBC will broadcast two regular-season MLS games, two playoff games and two appearances by the U.S. Men's National Team, marking the first time four MLS matches will be broadcast on English-language network television since 2002. The NBC Sports Network will televise 38 regular-season games, three playoff games and two U.S. Men's National Team matches. All telecasts on NBC and NBC Sports Network will consist of pre-game and post-game coverage. According to the agreement, the NBC Sports Group obtains digital rights across all platforms and devices for the games it televises. 

"Our new partnership with the NBC Sports Group is a significant step forward for Major League Soccer and U.S. Soccer," said MLS Commissioner and Soccer United Marketing CEO Don Garber.  "The NBC Sports Group is world-renowned for its award-winning coverage, superb broadcast quality and promotional expertise. We are excited to be part of NBC's ambitious plans for soccer and look forward to reaching a considerable audience on multiple platforms."

Featuring an exciting mix of players, including world-class stars such as Landon Donovan​, David Beckham​ and Thierry Henry​, MLS is one of the nation's fastest growing sports properties. It has seen considerable growth across many metrics, including number of teams (10 clubs in 2004 to 19 in 2012) and new stadiums (two soccer stadiums in 2004 to having 15 of 19 clubs playing in venues built with soccer in mind, including new soccer stadiums in Houston and Montreal next year). This season, the League is enjoying the highest average attendance and largest number of corporate sponsors in its 16-year history.

Along with already-established MLS partnerships with five Comcast SportsNets (California, Chicago, Mid-Atlantic, New England and Philadelphia), this agreement provides the league with coverage across the NBC Sports Group's unique four-tier portfolio of assets: broadcast network, national cable, regional sports networks and digital platforms
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 13, 2011, 08:50:01 AM
EPL begins today :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on August 13, 2011, 11:47:03 AM
I watched the Fulham-Aston Villa game on ESPN 2. What a snoozefest.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on August 13, 2011, 02:49:14 PM
In other news, Arsenal still lack a creative midfielder without Fabregas, and Joey Barton's still a cunt.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 13, 2011, 04:32:49 PM
And Liverpool's revival may be overstated.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 13, 2011, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 13, 2011, 11:47:03 AM
I watched the Fulham-Aston Villa game on ESPN 2. What a snoozefest.

I watched about fifteen minutes of that before almost falling asleep. I bailed to watch the Newcastle/Arsenal game and received a huge headache for my efforts.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 13, 2011, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Warspite on August 13, 2011, 02:49:14 PM
In other news, Arsenal still lack a creative midfielder without Fabregas, and Joey Barton's still a cunt.

You're a lifelong Gooner, right? How bad are things now?   :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on August 13, 2011, 06:13:26 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 13, 2011, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 13, 2011, 11:47:03 AM
I watched the Fulham-Aston Villa game on ESPN 2. What a snoozefest.

I watched about fifteen minutes of that before almost falling asleep. I bailed to watch the Newcastle/Arsenal game and received a huge headache for my efforts.

I did fall asleep. I was sorta hoping a riot would start in the stands. WOTS ALL THIS THEN?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 13, 2011, 06:36:07 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 13, 2011, 06:13:26 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 13, 2011, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 13, 2011, 11:47:03 AM
I watched the Fulham-Aston Villa game on ESPN 2. What a snoozefest.

I watched about fifteen minutes of that before almost falling asleep. I bailed to watch the Newcastle/Arsenal game and received a huge headache for my efforts.

I did fall asleep. I was sorta hoping a riot would start in the stands. WOTS ALL THIS THEN?

This might cheer you up then. Bunch of Scots, though. http://youtu.be/G5hL6UbstyE

Highlights are horse charges at 4:31 and 5:33, a reference to Passchendaele at 6:19, and a casualty collection point set up in one goal.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on August 13, 2011, 06:54:57 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on August 14, 2011, 08:23:44 AM
i was pleasantly surprised by the liverpool game. Caught snippets of the 1st half and it seemed set to be a walloping. But we pulled through and got a point. Huzzah.
Just hope I get my new optical connection in time for next week`s game...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 17, 2011, 06:50:23 PM
Mourinho http://youtu.be/olelvRKSpG8 :lmfao:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 17, 2011, 06:52:25 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 17, 2011, 06:50:23 PM
Mourinho http://youtu.be/olelvRKSpG8 :lmfao:

He didn't tuck his ear, he poked his eye.

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Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 17, 2011, 06:54:15 PM
Is there a better fixture on this planet than the Barca v. Real game? I dont' think so.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 17, 2011, 06:55:59 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 17, 2011, 06:54:15 PM
Is there a better fixture on this planet than the Barca v. Real game? I dont' think so.

And you get MMA fights for the same price!  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 17, 2011, 07:09:24 PM
Who is the guy with the bushy eyebrows and moustache?    :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 18, 2011, 10:50:12 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 17, 2011, 07:09:24 PM
Who is the guy with the bushy eyebrows and moustache?    :lol:

Don't know, he must be some league official or something, but he's turning into a small time meme overnight.  :lol:

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Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on August 18, 2011, 10:55:53 AM
QuoteF: Portugal; Russia; Israel; N. Ireland; Arzebajan; Luxembourg
G: Greece; Slovakia; Bosnia/Herz; Lithuania; Latvia; Liechtenstein

:lol: Seriously?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 18, 2011, 11:04:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 18, 2011, 10:55:53 AM
QuoteF: Portugal; Russia; Israel; N. Ireland; Arzebajan; Luxembourg
G: Greece; Slovakia; Bosnia/Herz; Lithuania; Latvia; Liechtenstein

:lol: Seriously?

What's wrong with it?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on August 18, 2011, 11:19:50 AM
Maybe Israel and Azerbaijan are secret soccer powers but Portugal and Greece seem like they got much easier roads to Brazil than the other top teams.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on August 18, 2011, 11:21:08 AM
Hey for once portugal didn't get the group of death. they deserve a breather once in a while too.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on August 18, 2011, 11:21:26 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 18, 2011, 11:19:50 AM
Maybe Israel and Azerbaijan are secret soccer powers but Portugal and Greece seem like they got much easier roads to Brazil than the other top teams.
Blame the questionable seeding system that stuck journeyman teams in Pot A.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 18, 2011, 11:22:02 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 18, 2011, 11:19:50 AM
Maybe Israel and Azerbaijan are secret soccer powers but Portugal and Greece seem like they got much easier roads to Brazil than the other top teams.

Russia and Slovakia are more than decent teams. I'd rate Slovakia ahead of Greece actually.

Meh, in every draw there's always a group or two that are noticeably weaker. It's just the way it is, I guess.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on August 18, 2011, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 13, 2011, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: Warspite on August 13, 2011, 02:49:14 PM
In other news, Arsenal still lack a creative midfielder without Fabregas, and Joey Barton's still a cunt.

You're a lifelong Gooner, right? How bad are things now?   :(

Quite bad, and Wenger doesn't want to spend money despite a) losing the best players on the team, b) losing key squad backups, c) having a major early season injury and suspension crisis, d) having £85m give or take to spend on new acquisitions.

The squad is the worst I have seen it since 1994. Yes, it's that bad. The defensive midfielder to start against Liverpool on Saturday has never played a competitive senior fixture before. There is no back up for his position.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 18, 2011, 11:32:24 AM
Israel can always take a point or two from the top teams, they're not always a shoe-in. I think recently in either the Euros or WC quals they made the playoffs.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on August 18, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
I watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on August 18, 2011, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 18, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
I watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.

The English game has always been more physical than the continental and South American version; it's actually a surprisingly constant difference. Then again, not surprising; in the UK, it and rugby evolved from common ancestor codes, and so the physical element abided.

Hence the English meme of 'diving foreigners', etc.

I think for the most part the difference is fine, though I lean towards prefering the less physical game.

THe problem is idiotic English fans who think "passion" and "hard work" are substitues for actual technical skill, and think leg-breaking tackles are "part of the game".
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Barrister on August 18, 2011, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: Warspite on August 18, 2011, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 18, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
I watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.

The English game has always been more physical than the continental and South American version; it's actually a surprisingly constant difference. Then again, not surprising; in the UK, it and rugby evolved from common ancestor codes, and so the physical element abided.

Hence the English meme of 'diving foreigners', etc.

I think for the most part the difference is fine, though I lean towards prefering the less physical game.

THe problem is idiotic English fans who think "passion" and "hard work" are substitues for actual technical skill, and think leg-breaking tackles are "part of the game".

You could be describing the way Canada views hockey vs. the rest of the world in your post... :hmm:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 18, 2011, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 18, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
I watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.

You didn't watch last night's El Classico then....

http://youtu.be/IPghV2qpeiU
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 18, 2011, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 18, 2011, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 18, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
I watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.

You didn't watch last night's El Classico then....

http://youtu.be/IPghV2qpeiU

Dear Christ, what accent was that?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on August 18, 2011, 04:20:22 PM
Has there been any Classico without a fight this last year? Also, I don't get why Real hasn't fired Mourinho already, I'd be ashamed if I were a fan.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on August 18, 2011, 07:26:44 PM
The Vulcan death pinch was hilarious.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 19, 2011, 04:13:12 AM
Mourinho is my favorite coach.   :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on August 19, 2011, 04:47:31 AM
Quote from: The Larch on August 18, 2011, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 18, 2011, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 18, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
I watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.

You didn't watch last night's El Classico then....

http://youtu.be/IPghV2qpeiU

Dear Christ, what accent was that?

Extreme Geordie. I've seen him commentate other games, he gets so ridiculously excited.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 19, 2011, 05:12:00 AM
Quote from: Warspite on August 19, 2011, 04:47:31 AM
Quote from: The Larch on August 18, 2011, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 18, 2011, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 18, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
I watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.

You didn't watch last night's El Classico then....

http://youtu.be/IPghV2qpeiU

Dear Christ, what accent was that?

Extreme Geordie. I've seen him commentate other games, he gets so ridiculously excited.

Damn, and I thought that the Ulster Irish accent was difficult to understand...

About getting excited, he has nothing on the Argentines, though.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 19, 2011, 08:44:48 AM
Quote from: Warspite on August 19, 2011, 04:47:31 AM
Quote from: The Larch on August 18, 2011, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 18, 2011, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 18, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
I watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.

You didn't watch last night's El Classico then....

http://youtu.be/IPghV2qpeiU

Dear Christ, what accent was that?

Extreme Geordie. I've seen him commentate other games, he gets so ridiculously excited.

He lives in America now and does most of the commentary for Gol TV. He is amazing with over stretched metaphors  like "Messi danced through the defence with better balance than a waiter on a cruise ship in rough waters."
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on August 19, 2011, 08:48:38 AM
That is how I assume Josq talks.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on August 19, 2011, 09:16:35 AM
I loved Mourinho when he was with my beloved Chelsea. He was quite th entertainment, and built up Chelsea in the meantime.

But he is clearly losing it. Going to Madrid was insult enough against the decent half of humanity, but this stupidity is the last straw. Fuck him.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Syt on August 19, 2011, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 19, 2011, 08:48:38 AM
That is how I assume Josq talks.

I think he talks more like Simon on Frasier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2d3_54k_zk

And yeah, I know, the actor's Australian. :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on August 19, 2011, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: Tamas on August 19, 2011, 09:16:35 AM
I loved Mourinho when he was with my beloved Chelsea. He was quite th entertainment, and built up Chelsea in the meantime.

But he is clearly losing it. Going to Madrid was insult enough against the decent half of humanity, but this stupidity is the last straw. Fuck him.

Yeah, well be happy you've not been listening to Arsene Wenger's press conferences recently.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 19, 2011, 07:14:37 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 19, 2011, 08:44:48 AM
Quote from: Warspite on August 19, 2011, 04:47:31 AM
Quote from: The Larch on August 18, 2011, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 18, 2011, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 18, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
I watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.

You didn't watch last night's El Classico then....

http://youtu.be/IPghV2qpeiU

Dear Christ, what accent was that?

Extreme Geordie. I've seen him commentate other games, he gets so ridiculously excited.

He lives in America now and does most of the commentary for Gol TV. He is amazing with over stretched metaphors  like "Messi danced through the defence with better balance than a waiter on a cruise ship in rough waters."

http://youtu.be/gS6Np-g_h5w

"Like a Jedi Knight, no better than that, like a Templar Knight!" 
"Like Kathy Bates, in that movie, remember that?"

:lmfao:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on August 20, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
Quote from: Josephus on August 18, 2011, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 18, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
I watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.

You didn't watch last night's El Classico then....

http://youtu.be/IPghV2qpeiU

:lol:
That's awesome!
The contrast between the Geordie and the Yank is super stark.

QuoteExtreme Geordie. I've seen him commentate other games, he gets so ridiculously excited.
Not so extreme imo, you can hear him toning it down a lot.

QuoteThat is how I assume Josq talks.
ish.
My accent is to that what Sean Connery is to normal Scottish. In the same ballpark but...better.

QuoteI watched Liverpool Sunderland the other night.

I'm curious if you guys would agree that the Premier League has a higher proclivity for goons and argy-bargy than the other pro leagues.
I didn't see that game.
But I guess it was Cattermole?
Despite being a midget he comes very much from the old fashioned 'hard man' style of player, ala Vinnie Jones.


On the subject of the north east: Newcastle-Sunderland at noon GMT today. Ha'way the lads!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on August 20, 2011, 02:28:57 AM
Cattermole doesn't sound right.  Defensive midfield I think based on where he was doing most of his smacking.  Liverpool player.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 20, 2011, 09:17:48 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 20, 2011, 02:28:57 AM
Cattermole doesn't sound right.  Defensive midfield I think based on where he was doing most of his smacking.  Liverpool player.

Lucas plays the DM role for Liverpool but you might be thinking of Charlie Adam. He was giving away a lot of fouls last week if I remember right.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on August 20, 2011, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 20, 2011, 09:17:48 AM
Lucas plays the DM role for Liverpool but you might be thinking of Charlie Adam. He was giving away a lot of fouls last week if I remember right.

That sounds right.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on August 22, 2011, 03:19:52 PM
So just wtf is happening in the southern leagues this year? Hearing a lot about strikes and whatnot.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 23, 2011, 04:54:31 PM
My Fantasy Premier League team is ranked 1st in SomethingAwful's classic league and 4th in EPLTalk.com's classic league.  :cool: :cool:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on August 23, 2011, 09:13:26 PM
Seattle beat Monterrey tonight in Monterrey.

USA!  USA!  USA!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on August 25, 2011, 01:35:54 PM
Champions League

A: Bayern München, FC Villarreal, Manchester City, SSC Neapel.
B: Inter Mailand,ZSKA Moskau, OSC Lille, Trabzonspor.
C: Manchester United, Benfica Lissabon, FC Basel, FC Otelul Galati.
D: Real Madrid, Olympique Lyon, Ajax Amsterdam, Dinamo Zagreb.
E: FC Chelsea, FC Valencia, Bayer Leverkusen, KRC Genk.
F: FC Arsenal, Olympique Marseille, Olympiakos Piräus, Borussia Dortmund.
G: FC Porto, Schachtjor Donezk, Zenit St. Petersburg, Apoel Nikosia.
H: FC Barcelona, AC Mailand, Bate Borissow, Viktoria Pilsen.

Bayern has a really hard group, Dortmund could do it, Leverkusen won't win against Valencia and Chelsea.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 25, 2011, 03:59:26 PM
Neapel?

My favourite Serie A team is Napoli, and yeah, that group's gonna be a bitch. B'lona and Milan should make for a great match up. Group G should be called the "ain't no winners coming out of this group."
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on August 25, 2011, 04:03:18 PM
Does the Champions League play during the regular season or after?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 25, 2011, 05:26:47 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 25, 2011, 04:03:18 PM
Does the Champions League play during the regular season or after?

During.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on August 26, 2011, 12:05:18 AM
Quote from: Josephus on August 25, 2011, 03:59:26 PM
Neapel?

My favourite Serie A team is Napoli, and yeah, that group's gonna be a bitch. B'lona and Milan should make for a great match up. Group G should be called the "ain't no winners coming out of this group."
Porto lost the manager and some important players, but they did win the Europe League last year.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on August 26, 2011, 05:21:01 AM
I am shocked, shocked to see Manchester United get another easy route to the knock-out stages.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 26, 2011, 07:31:18 AM
Quote from: Zanza on August 26, 2011, 12:05:18 AM
Quote from: Josephus on August 25, 2011, 03:59:26 PM
Neapel?

My favourite Serie A team is Napoli, and yeah, that group's gonna be a bitch. B'lona and Milan should make for a great match up. Group G should be called the "ain't no winners coming out of this group."
Porto lost the manager and some important players, but they did win the Europe League last year.

I still say they won't win.  :lol: Huge diff between Europa League and Champions L. Hey shouldn't there be a Europe Super Cup or soemthing soon?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 26, 2011, 10:34:21 AM
No Serie A this weekend.  :mad:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on August 26, 2011, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: Josephus on August 26, 2011, 07:31:18 AM
Hey shouldn't there be a Europe Super Cup or soemthing soon?

Tonight.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 26, 2011, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: Liep on August 26, 2011, 10:53:54 AM
Quote from: Josephus on August 26, 2011, 07:31:18 AM
Hey shouldn't there be a Europe Super Cup or soemthing soon?

Tonight.

Yes it is: Must leave work early.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on August 26, 2011, 02:43:42 PM
Egil Olsen has accepted two more years.

Two more years of invincibility and playing well over our potential is good.
The old commie bastard is a fantastic coach of smaller men.

I notice Forest are doing, well, nada again. And Steve McLaren, the wally with the brolly, yeah, that will end really well.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Viking on August 26, 2011, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: Norgy on August 26, 2011, 02:43:42 PM
Egil Olsen has accepted two more years.

Two more years of invincibility and playing well over our potential is good.
The old commie bastard is a fantastic coach of smaller men.

I notice Forest are doing, well, nada again. And Steve McLaren, the wally with the brolly, yeah, that will end really well.

yes, yet another generation of players with flair, skill and capable of playing entertaining football will be kept out of the national team though. The trick Drillo used against the Czechs (playing a quick and skilful striker rather than Carew) won't work again. 
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on August 26, 2011, 03:33:08 PM
Don't be a hater.

Here's some news:
There are no skillful players with flair who have Norwegian passports.

Fellah? He's a worker bee and will be in midfield next year. Probably replacing Grindheim.
Singh? Too uneven for the national team, but yeah, he's getting there.
Henriksen? In two years, he'll be the anchor in midfield. A bit slow for my liking, but he has what it takes.

What would worry me, and does worry me, is that we no longer have superb defenders. Nordtveit? Not likely.
Anyway, can you imagine someone else that would realistically take the position and do a decent job? I can't, really.

But sure, we are at odds with most things.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on August 26, 2011, 04:09:11 PM
The US national team is once again harvesting the fruit of US servicemen and gullible fraulein hookups!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on August 26, 2011, 04:12:05 PM
Quote from: Norgy on August 26, 2011, 03:33:08 PM
Nordtveit? Not likely.

Nordtveit kicked ass in FM 2010!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 27, 2011, 07:07:34 AM
Quote from: PDH on August 26, 2011, 04:09:11 PM
The US national team is once again harvesting the fruit of US servicemen and gullible fraulein hookups!

Talking about Chandler?  :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: mongers on August 27, 2011, 07:21:15 AM
Apparently 200 million of ManUtd's 300million fans are from Asia; discounting its Lancashire fan base, where do the other 99,999,995 fans come from ? :unsure:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Neil on August 27, 2011, 07:38:20 AM
Perhaps some are from Manchester?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on August 27, 2011, 07:45:53 AM
Quote from: mongers on August 27, 2011, 07:21:15 AM
Apparently 200 million of ManUtd's 300million fans are from Asia; discounting its Lancashire fan base, where do the other 99,999,995 fans come from ? :unsure:

N/S America and countries in Europe that doesn't have a league of the same quality as the PL.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on August 27, 2011, 07:46:52 AM
When I was in Morocco, back in 1980, they used to televise ManU's games. They may have stopped since of course, i get the impression that the standard of African football has improved over the years.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: mongers on August 27, 2011, 07:49:31 AM
Quote from: Neil on August 27, 2011, 07:38:20 AM
Perhaps some are from Manchester?

Check my figures and you'll note I've already discounted those 5 blokes.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on August 27, 2011, 08:15:01 AM
Man City seem to be more popular with your actual Manchester blokes.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 27, 2011, 08:21:51 AM
Quote from: mongers on August 27, 2011, 07:49:31 AM
Quote from: Neil on August 27, 2011, 07:38:20 AM
Perhaps some are from Manchester?

Check my figures and you'll note I've already discounted those 5 blokes.
:lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on August 27, 2011, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 27, 2011, 07:07:34 AM
Quote from: PDH on August 26, 2011, 04:09:11 PM
The US national team is once again harvesting the fruit of US servicemen and gullible fraulein hookups!

Talking about Chandler?  :D
Fabian Johnson too.  Thank god for the US not teaching about birth control, we impregnate the world!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on August 28, 2011, 05:20:55 AM
Subsaharan Africa is nuts for premiership football. I once had an hour long conversation about Arsenal with a South African driver. The detail they know is intense.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on August 28, 2011, 06:09:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 27, 2011, 08:15:01 AM
Man City seem to be more popular with your actual Manchester blokes.

May Hod have mercy on them for yet another season of nothingness.

You know what really irks me?
That Forest appointed The Worst England Coach Ever.
The one that can make even losing 0-1 to the US in England's world cup debut seem like a small matter.

Sshteve and Forest is a match made in heaven of could've-beens.
And why do I still follow then? Why on Earth? The last time they were remotely like their old selves was during Paul Hart's ill-fated reign. Football is a bucket of emotions you can't get away from, unfortunately. So I sit here and Google Forest-West Ham live.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on August 28, 2011, 08:46:26 AM
You follow them because you are a fan, and being a fan means that (unless you are a goddamn bandwagon tim) your team will hurt you, wound you, rip your heart out, leave you at the altar...and every now and then make you feel better than anyone else in the entire world.

That's why.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: mongers on August 28, 2011, 09:09:35 AM
Quote from: Norgy on August 28, 2011, 06:09:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 27, 2011, 08:15:01 AM
Man City seem to be more popular with your actual Manchester blokes.

May Hod have mercy on them for yet another season of nothingness.

You know what really irks me?
That Forest appointed The Worst England Coach Ever.
The one that can make even losing 0-1 to the US in England's world cup debut seem like a small matter.

Sshteve and Forest is a match made in heaven of could've-beens.
And why do I still follow then? Why on Earth? The last time they were remotely like their old selves was during Paul Hart's ill-fated reign. Football is a bucket of emotions you can't get away from, unfortunately. So I sit here and Google Forest-West Ham live.

Football is life, some make the mistake that life is football.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Syt on August 28, 2011, 09:51:43 AM
Quote from: PDH on August 28, 2011, 08:46:26 AM
You follow them because you are a fan, and being a fan means that (unless you are a goddamn bandwagon tim) your team will hurt you, wound you, rip your heart out, leave you at the altar...and every now and then make you feel better than anyone else in the entire world.

So true (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-pirates) (except the make you feel better part). :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on August 28, 2011, 11:37:49 AM
Quote from: Norgy on August 28, 2011, 06:09:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 27, 2011, 08:15:01 AM
Man City seem to be more popular with your actual Manchester blokes.

May Hod have mercy on them for yet another season of nothingness.

You know what really irks me?
That Forest appointed The Worst England Coach Ever.
The one that can make even losing 0-1 to the US in England's world cup debut seem like a small matter.

Sshteve and Forest is a match made in heaven of could've-beens.
And why do I still follow then? Why on Earth? The last time they were remotely like their old selves was during Paul Hart's ill-fated reign. Football is a bucket of emotions you can't get away from, unfortunately. So I sit here and Google Forest-West Ham live.

Well you a true fan and that is what true fans are like. Has Forest ever done anything except when Old Bighead was in charge? Chap I once knew was a devoted supporter of Scunthorpe Utd, followed them to all sorts of windswept unfashionable grounds throughout the land, I respected him for it  :cool:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 28, 2011, 12:42:53 PM
Man Utd 8 ARsenal 2

I saw two games today for a total of 16 goals. :huh: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on August 28, 2011, 02:37:36 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 28, 2011, 12:42:53 PM
Man Utd 8 ARsenal 2

I saw two games today for a total of 16 goals. :huh: :rolleyes:

Flipped it on right before Walcott's goal and thought 3-1 was reasonable and went back to playing Deus Ex. Turned it back on forty minutes later to see it 7-2 and after Young's second goal I got up to take my migraine medication.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on August 28, 2011, 08:32:49 PM
I saw the Man Utd score via a picture someone put on facebook, I thought it was some sort of edit. Then I checked the BBC site. Wow.

In other news- why the hell can`t Sunderland score.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Norgy on August 29, 2011, 03:58:59 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 28, 2011, 11:37:49 AM

Well you a true fan and that is what true fans are like. Has Forest ever done anything except when Old Bighead was in charge? Chap I once knew was a devoted supporter of Scunthorpe Utd, followed them to all sorts of windswept unfashionable grounds throughout the land, I respected him for it  :cool:

A third place in 1967 when Man Utd were really magic and a third place in 95. Two FA cups, the one trophy that evaded Clough. But both won decades ago.
There is some irony to the "One-Nil To The Famous Team" chants when Forest play the likes of Scunny, Leyton Orient and assorted teams with funny names. Which was the famous team, again?

Man U was really on fire yesterday. What a game.
Forest, well, not so much.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 29, 2011, 05:24:46 AM
Quote from: Cecil on August 22, 2011, 03:19:52 PM
So just wtf is happening in the southern leagues this year? Hearing a lot about strikes and whatnot.

There was a players' straike over here, initially called for the first two weeks but they reached an agreement last week and we had games this weekend. Italy announced a similar players' strike last week IIRC. Turkey postponed the beginning of the season for one month due to an investigation regarding arranged matches, and there's a similar investigation going on in Greece but they've started already AFAIK.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 29, 2011, 05:27:34 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 27, 2011, 07:46:52 AM
When I was in Morocco, back in 1980, they used to televise ManU's games. They may have stopped since of course, i get the impression that the standard of African football has improved over the years.

They're crazy for the Spanish league (or rather, for Real Madrid and Barcelona, but you get the idea) down there. The country stops when there's a game between the two of them.

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 27, 2011, 08:15:01 AM
Man City seem to be more popular with your actual Manchester blokes.

That was what Owl, the bloke that used to post in P'dox back in the good old days (tm) and a mancunian himself said, that City is the team that the people who are actually from Manchester support and that United's fans are mostly bandwagoners from the rest of Britain and abroad rather than people from Manchester and its environs. IIRC he said that there were probably more fans of United in Ireland than in Greater Manchester.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 29, 2011, 05:52:14 AM
BTW, I picked up "The Damned United" to read as my holiday book this year, and I'm halfway it. Has anyone else read it or watched the movie? What do you think of it? Is it a realistic portrayal of footie in England in the 70s? I read that some of the players that are still alive aren't very happy with their portrayals.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on August 29, 2011, 06:14:07 AM
Quote from: The Larch on August 29, 2011, 05:52:14 AM
BTW, I picked up "The Damned United" to read as my holiday book this year, and I'm halfway it. Has anyone else read it or watched the movie? What do you think of it? Is it a realistic portrayal of footie in England in the 70s? I read that some of the players that are still alive aren't very happy with their portrayals.
I haven't read the book but I enjoyed the film version.

John Giles was very critical of it. He sued the author of the book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Giles#Media_portrayals_and_successful_legal_action

QuoteGiles successfully sued the author of the book, David Peace, who printed the work in 2006, from which the film was made. His reasons for pursuing legal action for libel were as Giles said of Peace's The Damned Utd: "His book was outrageous. I'm portrayed as the scheming leprechaun. He [Peace] had me in conversations with Clough that never happened. It made Clough out to be a wild man whereas he wasn't drinking then. I didn't get on with him but I found him highly intelligent. Peace said the novel was fiction based on fact, trouble is, people assume it's the official version. The movie was a misinterpretation of the misinterpretation that was the book!"
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 29, 2011, 07:21:35 AM
Quote from: Cerr on August 29, 2011, 06:14:07 AM
Quote from: The Larch on August 29, 2011, 05:52:14 AM
BTW, I picked up "The Damned United" to read as my holiday book this year, and I'm halfway it. Has anyone else read it or watched the movie? What do you think of it? Is it a realistic portrayal of footie in England in the 70s? I read that some of the players that are still alive aren't very happy with their portrayals.
I haven't read the book but I enjoyed the film version.

John Giles was very critical of it. He sued the author of the book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Giles#Media_portrayals_and_successful_legal_action

QuoteGiles successfully sued the author of the book, David Peace, who printed the work in 2006, from which the film was made. His reasons for pursuing legal action for libel were as Giles said of Peace's The Damned Utd: "His book was outrageous. I'm portrayed as the scheming leprechaun. He [Peace] had me in conversations with Clough that never happened. It made Clough out to be a wild man whereas he wasn't drinking then. I didn't get on with him but I found him highly intelligent. Peace said the novel was fiction based on fact, trouble is, people assume it's the official version. The movie was a misinterpretation of the misinterpretation that was the book!"

Clough comes across as pretty much obsessed with Revie and his legacy at Leeds in the book. Was he really like that in reality? I have an extremely limited knowledge of English footie of that time so I don't know if it's an exagerated feature or if he was really like that.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 29, 2011, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: The Larch on August 29, 2011, 05:52:14 AM
BTW, I picked up "The Damned United" to read as my holiday book this year, and I'm halfway it. Has anyone else read it or watched the movie? What do you think of it? Is it a realistic portrayal of footie in England in the 70s? I read that some of the players that are still alive aren't very happy with their portrayals.

I saw the movie (as a Derby Co. fan i felt compelled). I wouldn't know of course, since I wasn't really following footie much inthe early 70s, but I thought the movie was quite well done.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on August 29, 2011, 07:33:19 AM
Yeah, good film.
No clue on the reality though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on August 29, 2011, 07:44:04 AM
There are a few things in the novel that really strike me as very unusual in footie, in comparison with what we have here, but I guess they were staples of English footie of the time. I'm thinking mostly about the extremely high mobility of clubs and players. The fact that a top team from the first division could fish a player from some backwater fourth division club and actually improve their team is very puzzling to me, when nowadays talent is so extremely concentrated and player development so regimented that this kind of free flowing movement is very strange to me.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on August 29, 2011, 08:33:01 AM
I'm not so sure, but I think that was the norm back than. Smaller clubs served as feeders. They made their money selling top talent to top clubs.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on August 31, 2011, 11:02:30 AM
The legendary Danish player Christian Poulsen becomes the 2nd player in history to play in all five major European leagues after signing with the famous and acclaimed French club, Evian.

EDIT: Poulsen, le dernier (gros) coup (http://www.etgfc.com/2011/08/31/poulsen-le-dernier-gros-coup-2/)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on August 31, 2011, 06:08:34 PM
Quote from: The Larch on August 29, 2011, 07:44:04 AM
There are a few things in the novel that really strike me as very unusual in footie, in comparison with what we have here, but I guess they were staples of English footie of the time. I'm thinking mostly about the extremely high mobility of clubs and players. The fact that a top team from the first division could fish a player from some backwater fourth division club and actually improve their team is very puzzling to me, when nowadays talent is so extremely concentrated and player development so regimented that this kind of free flowing movement is very strange to me.

Scouting networks were far less developed back then; in fact, the lower divisions were essentially the youth academies for big clubs. This has all changed these days, of course.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on September 01, 2011, 10:31:18 AM
For the Euro 2012, Ukraine and Poland will be seeded. The other two seeds will be Spain and the Netherlands according to current ranking. That will make for some nice groups of death...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on September 01, 2011, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: Zanza on September 01, 2011, 10:31:18 AM
For the Euro 2012, Ukraine and Poland will be seeded. The other two seeds will be Spain and the Netherlands according to current ranking. That will make for some nice groups of death...

:frusty:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on September 01, 2011, 12:26:53 PM
Joint bids, always producing the best results.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on September 01, 2011, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 27, 2011, 08:15:01 AM
Man City seem to be more popular with your actual Manchester blokes.
Sign of the way things are going is that the local sport shop in Dorchester has the Man City strip in the shop window and I've seen kids wearing it :mellow:

Quote
Clough comes across as pretty much obsessed with Revie and his legacy at Leeds in the book. Was he really like that in reality? I have an extremely limited knowledge of English footie of that time so I don't know if it's an exagerated feature or if he was really like that.
My understanding is that the book shows Clough in a far more dark and obsessive way than he's depicted in the film, though I've not read it.  In the film Sheen's performance is very likeable.  The film's very good though.

QuoteThe fact that a top team from the first division could fish a player from some backwater fourth division club and actually improve their team is very puzzling to me, when nowadays talent is so extremely concentrated and player development so regimented that this kind of free flowing movement is very strange to me.
That remains Everton's transfer strategy... :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on September 02, 2011, 02:17:10 PM
Germany will qualify for the Euro 2012 tonight. Half an hour played so far and it's 3-0 against Austria.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on September 06, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
2-0 over Norway, both goals by Bendtner.

Anything but a win seemed impossible judging from the tabloids, but I actually expected the Norwegians to pull home a draw like they usually do.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 07, 2011, 02:21:39 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 06, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
2-0 over Norway, both goals by Bendtner.

Anything but a win seemed impossible judging from the tabloids, but I actually expected the Norwegians to pull home a draw like they usually do.

A good result for Portugal  ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on September 07, 2011, 05:14:57 AM
You still need to beat Iceland!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on September 07, 2011, 05:20:46 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 06, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
2-0 over Norway, both goals by Bendtner.

Anything but a win seemed impossible judging from the tabloids, but I actually expected the Norwegians to pull home a draw like they usually do.

Hope he does so well in the domestic league. God knows we need it.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 07, 2011, 06:08:52 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 07, 2011, 05:14:57 AM
You still need to beat Iceland!

Better call back Ricardo Carvalho then  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: clandestino on September 07, 2011, 07:23:52 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 07, 2011, 06:08:52 AM
Better call back Ricardo Carvalho then  :lol:

Not gonna hapen. He's out for good.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: mongers on September 08, 2011, 06:35:13 AM
England beat Wales 1-0 in a very lacklustre performance, I'm conflicted.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on September 18, 2011, 12:26:44 PM
So I guess Fernando Torres won't be playing much longer?

http://youtu.be/Nyt0HKjINno
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on September 18, 2011, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 18, 2011, 12:26:44 PM
So I guess Fernando Torres won't be playing much longer?

http://youtu.be/Nyt0HKjINno

Nah, it's really sad. He had a good game, he gave both assists in this week's CL game, and he scored the team's only goal against Manure.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on September 19, 2011, 03:31:25 AM
APart from that miss, Torres had an outstanding game. And everyone has already forgotten the sitter missed by Rameires.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on September 22, 2011, 10:58:13 AM
There is currently an interesting case in Swiss courts: FC Sion v UEFA

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15008765.stm
QuoteUefa's 53 national member associations have given their unanimous backing to the governing body over its decision to expel Sion from the Europa League.

Celtic were reinstated to the group stages when Sion were thrown out for naming five ineligible players in their play-off win over Neil Lennon's side.

The Swiss side have since been to their country's courts to argue their case.

But Uefa's members say a club refusing to accept the rules of the competition "should not participate in it".

Sion's legal challenge to Uefa's ruling is being viewed as a threat to its authority and that of the world governing body, Fifa.

Uefa's emergency panel last Tuesday dismissed a ruling from the district court in Vaud that Sion should be allowed back in the competition, from which they were thrown out on 2 September.

Two days later the same court ruled that the opening round of Europa League Group I fixtures, including a 2-0 defeat for Celtic at Atletico Madrid, were invalid.

But in a statement released on Wednesday called "Declaration of the 53 Uefa member associations regarding the FC Sion case", the members have hit back at the Swiss club.

The statement said: "The 53 national associations of Uefa have today unanimously declared their support for Uefa president Michel Platini, the Uefa executive committee, the Uefa general secretary, the Uefa disciplinary bodies and the Uefa administration for their determination to uphold the statutes and regulations of football.

"The European national associations call upon both Fifa and the Swiss FA to urgently take concrete steps to uphold the statutes and regulations of Fifa, as Uefa has done.

"The independent sports justice system is the best guarantor of equality and fairness for all participants in sports.

"The European national associations declare that any member of the football family which refuses to accept the rules of the competition should not participate in it."

After Uefa's disciplinary body threw out Sion's initial appeal last week, the club announced it would initially seek compensation from Uefa of more than 4m euros and potentially tens of millions in the long term.

"Uefa believes that it rules the world," a Sion spokesman said at the time.

The UEFA operates under Swiss civil law so just outright ignoring a Swiss court order could really backfire. This has the potential to be another Bosman case. As football is no longer really an amateur sport but rather a business and UEFA has a monopoly on that business, they have to tread rather carefully here. If they lose their exclusive jurisdiction that would revolutionize professional sports in Europe as we know it, much more than Bosman.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on September 22, 2011, 11:21:19 AM
Won't UEFA just pack up its bags and go somewhere else? After all, like with the IOC, national governments are quite happy to bend over with £££ and bespoke legislation everytime a major sporting event or body comes knocking on the door.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on September 22, 2011, 03:27:00 PM
how can you bitch about being kicked out of a tournament when you don't follwo the rules? it's like a player picking about the ball and rushing into the net to score a goal.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on September 22, 2011, 04:33:39 PM
Quote from: HVC on September 22, 2011, 03:27:00 PM
how can you bitch about being kicked out of a tournament when you don't follwo the rules? it's like a player picking about the ball and rushing into the net to score a goal.
And thus American football was born!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 11, 2011, 03:04:21 PM
Danes in the throes of upsetting the Portuguese  :)
France might capitulate in a key match to Bosnia.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on October 11, 2011, 03:11:18 PM
why is it always the damn danes.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on October 11, 2011, 03:47:30 PM
Well that was encouraging :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on October 11, 2011, 04:38:07 PM
Nice goal by Slovenia.

http://youtu.be/CC6KXL3gsMY
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on October 11, 2011, 06:55:59 PM

Quote from: HVC on October 11, 2011, 03:11:18 PM
why is it always the damn danes.
:nelson:

Will be a happy country I return to today, well tomorrow... damn distance!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on October 12, 2011, 03:42:30 AM
 :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

Three games in a row with fairly exiting forward offensive play.. and good use of some of the talents. Boilesen and Agger will hopefully be fit and with playing time when we reach 2012 making our defence issues one of too many fair players rather than the usual issues. Bjelland did really good for youngster in the local leaque and with only 3 caps.

One more tour left in Rommedahl will give one side a good go, Kron Dehli will hopefully stay at this level securing the other wing. Bendtners new role as center attacker as well "Play center" is much better than lazy Bendtner of old. Eriksen just needs to stay consistent and try a little less hard, get used to scoring and our offensive is fairly set.

That leaves the machine room in midfield. C poulsen still seem awfully rusty and slow, but at least he didn't make any obvious mistakes either. William Kvist looks like the new midfield general.

If Lindegaard takes on in Man U we also have decent goalie alternatives with a potential for really good goaltending.

All in all it was a good end for the qualifiers

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 12, 2011, 04:18:00 AM
Croatia is happier about Serbia not qualifying than Croatia making the playoffs.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on October 12, 2011, 09:14:07 AM
USA was defeated 1-0 by mighty Ecuador. :(

It was a decent match in the first half, but Klinsmann pulled off four players at intermission. Our back four was pretty solid throughout the game until Tim Ream and Jonathon Spector came on. Spector was downright horrible and a defensive lapse by Ream let in the only goal of the game. Gooch and Bocanegra seemed to work very well together.

Just a friendly, and although I was slightly impressed by the attacking play, there were still no goals. Someone other than Dempsey/Donovan needs to start scoring goals.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 12, 2011, 09:25:04 AM
They don't have a particularly good recored since Klinsmann took over, do they?

Well...Canada drew Puerto Rico 0-0 at home. That's even worse.  :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on October 12, 2011, 09:37:38 AM
I'd say the results wouldn't be dramatically different than under Bob Bradley.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 12, 2011, 10:35:16 AM
Germany's oldest player yesterday was Philipp Lahm, age 27. So the team could conceivably play in that formation for another 4-5 years. I hope this will be a golden generation for Germany. The only starting player that will leave anytime soon is Klose, but then there is hope that Gomez has stabilized and will keep being a goal-scoring machine.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on October 12, 2011, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 12, 2011, 04:18:00 AM
Croatia is happier about Serbia not qualifying than Croatia making the playoffs.  :lol:
You're a petty people :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on October 12, 2011, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 12, 2011, 10:35:16 AM
Germany's oldest player yesterday was Philipp Lahm, age 27. So the team could conceivably play in that formation for another 4-5 years. I hope this will be a golden generation for Germany. The only starting player that will leave anytime soon is Klose, but then there is hope that Gomez has stabilized and will keep being a goal-scoring machine.

Germany 2014 World Cup Champions
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 12, 2011, 12:26:49 PM
The 2010 German team was pretty damn good. People forget they only lost to the eventual champions to a goal from a set piece and because the key player in their midfield and forwards link up was suspended for a non-foul the previous game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on October 13, 2011, 06:27:23 AM
Play-offs:

Turkey v Croatia
Estonia v Ireland
Czech Republic v Montenegro
Bosnia v Portugal
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 13, 2011, 06:36:47 AM
Turkey - Croatia should be the more interesting matchup, followed by Bosnia - Portugal.

Estonia - Ireland might be a snorefest for the ages.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on October 13, 2011, 06:57:28 AM
I'm happy with the draw.

Estonia are the weakest team in the play offs.
Plus we get to play the second leg at home.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 13, 2011, 08:18:37 AM
Estonia play football? News to me.
And Portugal in the playoffs. :nelson:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 13, 2011, 08:20:50 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 12, 2011, 12:06:47 PMGermany 2014 World Cup Champions
I wouldn't go that far, but in current form, Germany is certainly a contender for the Euro 2012.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 13, 2011, 08:37:04 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 12, 2011, 09:37:38 AM
I'd say the results wouldn't be dramatically different than under Bob Bradley.

Do you think, though, that Klinsmann is the right man for the US?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on October 13, 2011, 09:55:21 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 13, 2011, 08:37:04 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 12, 2011, 09:37:38 AM
I'd say the results wouldn't be dramatically different than under Bob Bradley.

Do you think, though, that Klinsmann is the right man for the US?

Well, it certainly seemed that Bradley had taken the team as far as they could go under him, and that it was time for a change if US soccer wanted them to get to the next level.  And Klinsmann is a good coach.  Right man for this particular job?  Time will tell, but without the benefit of hindsight, he seems like a very good choice.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 13, 2011, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: Zanza on October 13, 2011, 08:20:50 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 12, 2011, 12:06:47 PMGermany 2014 World Cup Champions
I wouldn't go that far, but in current form, Germany is certainly a contender for the Euro 2012.

Definitely, you have an embarrassment of riches from the midfield in advance, most of the pretty young. Müller, Özil, Kroos, Marin... they're all 21-22, IIRC, and can last for a whole decade. On the short term (this Euro and next WC) you still have Podolski and Schweinsteiger to act as "veterans" in that midfield. Seriously, if it wasn't for this ludicrously golden generation that we have nowadays in Spain, Germany would be the instant shoe-in for the top spot in the coming tournaments.

Edit: Funny bit of trivia, it seems that two of the more recent call ups to the German national team, Schurrle and Götze, are the two first players for the Mannschaft to be born after the reunification of Germany. :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 13, 2011, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 13, 2011, 10:31:42 AMDefinitely, you have an embarrassment of riches from the midfield in advance, most of the pretty young. Müller, Özil, Kroos, Marin... they're all 21-22, IIRC, and can last for a whole decade. On the short term (this Euro and next WC) you still have Podolski and Schweinsteiger to act as "veterans" in that midfield. Seriously, if it wasn't for this ludicrously golden generation that we have nowadays in Spain, Germany would be the instant shoe-in for the top spot in the coming tournaments.

Edit: Funny bit of trivia, it seems that two of the more recent call ups to the German national team, Schurrle and Götze, are the two first players for the Mannschaft to be born after the reunification of Germany. :)
Götze is actually considered to be the greatest German talent in at least a decade. He is ridiculously good for his age.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Syt on October 13, 2011, 10:54:33 AM
That reminds me: what's Sebastian Deisler doing these days?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 13, 2011, 10:56:52 AM
I can't wait for the BBC pundits to declare that player-by-player the England team is better than Germany and that maybe one or two German players would be fit for the English bench.  :P


Quote from: Syt on October 13, 2011, 10:54:33 AM
That reminds me: what's Sebastian Deisler doing these days?
Apparently he works as a physiotherapist.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 13, 2011, 11:24:43 AM
Quote from: Zanza on October 13, 2011, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 13, 2011, 10:31:42 AMDefinitely, you have an embarrassment of riches from the midfield in advance, most of the pretty young. Müller, Özil, Kroos, Marin... they're all 21-22, IIRC, and can last for a whole decade. On the short term (this Euro and next WC) you still have Podolski and Schweinsteiger to act as "veterans" in that midfield. Seriously, if it wasn't for this ludicrously golden generation that we have nowadays in Spain, Germany would be the instant shoe-in for the top spot in the coming tournaments.

Edit: Funny bit of trivia, it seems that two of the more recent call ups to the German national team, Schurrle and Götze, are the two first players for the Mannschaft to be born after the reunification of Germany. :)
Götze is actually considered to be the greatest German talent in at least a decade. He is ridiculously good for his age.

He plays for Borussia Dortmund, right? Isn't the whole team also very young and talented?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 13, 2011, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 13, 2011, 11:24:43 AMHe plays for Borussia Dortmund, right? Isn't the whole team also very young and talented?
Yeah, they have a bunch of good young players, some of which may still join the national team.

Germany currently lacks additional good strikers. Gomez and Klose should be enough for the EC2012, but after that, Klose will be gone and Germany will only have one good striker left. There is no real substitute to be seen at the moment. Another weak position is the fullbacks. Lahm is good, but that's about it. The rest is just so-so and most don't play on that position in their clubs.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 13, 2011, 12:05:33 PM
Rooney's been banned for three matches, and will miss all of England's games.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 13, 2011, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: Warspite on October 13, 2011, 12:05:33 PM
Rooney's been banned for three matches, and will miss all of England's games.

You're ruling out England from reaching the knockout stage of the Euro without him?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on October 13, 2011, 12:17:26 PM
I just watched the scene and it looks like he was frustrated and just kicked that guy with no chance at all to reach the ball. The red card was okay. A three match ban is quite harsh though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 13, 2011, 03:30:47 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 13, 2011, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: Warspite on October 13, 2011, 12:05:33 PM
Rooney's been banned for three matches, and will miss all of England's games.

You're ruling out England from reaching the knockout stage of the Euro without him?

Not sure about him. But I am. Who else they got?
Mind you, maybe if they go into this with low expectations, they might get somewhere this time.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 13, 2011, 05:21:38 PM
England have no real like for like replacement for Rooney, and he's vital to the England attacking setup. Jack Wilshere and Scott Parker provide a superlative central midfield pairing, but ahead of them they need a dangerous attacking midfield playmaker drifting between the lines to score. Walcott, Young and Caroll are not creative enough between them in the front three.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on October 14, 2011, 03:04:50 AM
Maybe its true that the English talent development has been ruined by the influx of foreign talent :o

;)

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 04:47:02 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on October 14, 2011, 03:04:50 AM
Maybe its true that the English talent development has been ruined by the influx of foreign talent :o

;)

V

:D

Well, England didn't have particularly good teams before the influx of foreign talent (though one could argue that the real losers from the inflow of French, Germans, Africans etc were in fact the Scots, Welsh and Irish who used to dominate the old First Division).

The real problem is the FA and the English coaching infrastructure, which has an institutional and cultural bias towards a very physical brand of football. Basic technique is not valued in the English game, especially at the lower levels; youth here tend to play on larger pitches where first touch and ball control is not as important as GET RID!! and KNOCK IT FORWARD SON!!.

The thing about players like Owen Hargreaves, Wayne Rooney and Jack Wilshere - why they could have been, are, and will be so important to the England set up - is that they're comfortable on the ball like the best players the continent has to offer, but combine this with the traditional English qualities of grit and determination.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 05:51:11 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 04:47:02 AMThe real problem is the FA and the English coaching infrastructure, which has an institutional and cultural bias towards a very physical brand of football. Basic technique is not valued in the English game, especially at the lower levels; youth here tend to play on larger pitches where first touch and ball control is not as important as GET RID!! and KNOCK IT FORWARD SON!!.

IIRC, there's a statistic that is often quoted to explain this, and it's the number of coaches with top UEFA qualifications, or something like that, with Spain and Germany each having more than 10 times the number of top coaches than England.

I have also read some pet theory touted around by a pundit regarding the detrimental effect of the traditional loaning out of young prospects by Premiership clubs to other clubs at much lower divisions (ie, lower than Championship) during their prime developmental years between the end of their stay in the academies but before joining the first team, when instead of learning with top coaches and mingling with the first team they're sent to some backwater where they're taught the "proper" way of playing, booting the ball up in muddy fields. IIRC he argued that the Reserve teams should be scrapped and continental style B teams more or less restricted for young players should take their place. There might be a pinch of truth in that.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 06:55:28 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 05:51:11 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 04:47:02 AMThe real problem is the FA and the English coaching infrastructure, which has an institutional and cultural bias towards a very physical brand of football. Basic technique is not valued in the English game, especially at the lower levels; youth here tend to play on larger pitches where first touch and ball control is not as important as GET RID!! and KNOCK IT FORWARD SON!!.

IIRC, there's a statistic that is often quoted to explain this, and it's the number of coaches with top UEFA qualifications, or something like that, with Spain and Germany each having more than 10 times the number of top coaches than England.

I have also read some pet theory touted around by a pundit regarding the detrimental effect of the traditional loaning out of young prospects by Premiership clubs to other clubs at much lower divisions (ie, lower than Championship) during their prime developmental years between the end of their stay in the academies but before joining the first team, when instead of learning with top coaches and mingling with the first team they're sent to some backwater where they're taught the "proper" way of playing, booting the ball up in muddy fields. IIRC he argued that the Reserve teams should be scrapped and continental style B teams more or less restricted for young players should take their place. There might be a pinch of truth in that.

I think good clubs only loan out players in the 19/20 age range; I think by then one's style of play is pretty settled. Certainly, one is not going to develop natural technique by then. The problem is that apart from Arsenal, there aren't many clubs at all that have a specific focus on a technical and possession game. I've heard people saying that the rot in the English game sets it at the ages of 8 to 15 - which is why the top academies in the UK have to un-teach much of what their new entrants have learnt at the very junior level.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 07:22:09 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 06:55:28 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 05:51:11 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 04:47:02 AMThe real problem is the FA and the English coaching infrastructure, which has an institutional and cultural bias towards a very physical brand of football. Basic technique is not valued in the English game, especially at the lower levels; youth here tend to play on larger pitches where first touch and ball control is not as important as GET RID!! and KNOCK IT FORWARD SON!!.

IIRC, there's a statistic that is often quoted to explain this, and it's the number of coaches with top UEFA qualifications, or something like that, with Spain and Germany each having more than 10 times the number of top coaches than England.

I have also read some pet theory touted around by a pundit regarding the detrimental effect of the traditional loaning out of young prospects by Premiership clubs to other clubs at much lower divisions (ie, lower than Championship) during their prime developmental years between the end of their stay in the academies but before joining the first team, when instead of learning with top coaches and mingling with the first team they're sent to some backwater where they're taught the "proper" way of playing, booting the ball up in muddy fields. IIRC he argued that the Reserve teams should be scrapped and continental style B teams more or less restricted for young players should take their place. There might be a pinch of truth in that.

I think good clubs only loan out players in the 19/20 age range; I think by then one's style of play is pretty settled. Certainly, one is not going to develop natural technique by then. The problem is that apart from Arsenal, there aren't many clubs at all that have a specific focus on a technical and possession game. I've heard people saying that the rot in the English game sets it at the ages of 8 to 15 - which is why the top academies in the UK have to un-teach much of what their new entrants have learnt at the very junior level.

8 to 15? Then you have a lot of work to do...  :wacko: That's basically revamping the whole youth training scheme of the English system.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 07:24:50 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 07:22:09 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 06:55:28 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 05:51:11 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 04:47:02 AMThe real problem is the FA and the English coaching infrastructure, which has an institutional and cultural bias towards a very physical brand of football. Basic technique is not valued in the English game, especially at the lower levels; youth here tend to play on larger pitches where first touch and ball control is not as important as GET RID!! and KNOCK IT FORWARD SON!!.

IIRC, there's a statistic that is often quoted to explain this, and it's the number of coaches with top UEFA qualifications, or something like that, with Spain and Germany each having more than 10 times the number of top coaches than England.

I have also read some pet theory touted around by a pundit regarding the detrimental effect of the traditional loaning out of young prospects by Premiership clubs to other clubs at much lower divisions (ie, lower than Championship) during their prime developmental years between the end of their stay in the academies but before joining the first team, when instead of learning with top coaches and mingling with the first team they're sent to some backwater where they're taught the "proper" way of playing, booting the ball up in muddy fields. IIRC he argued that the Reserve teams should be scrapped and continental style B teams more or less restricted for young players should take their place. There might be a pinch of truth in that.
That's what the critics say is necessary.  :lol:

The only great English technical players I can remember produced by the English system over the last fifteen years are Joe Cole, Wayne Rooney and Jack Wilshere.
I think good clubs only loan out players in the 19/20 age range; I think by then one's style of play is pretty settled. Certainly, one is not going to develop natural technique by then. The problem is that apart from Arsenal, there aren't many clubs at all that have a specific focus on a technical and possession game. I've heard people saying that the rot in the English game sets it at the ages of 8 to 15 - which is why the top academies in the UK have to un-teach much of what their new entrants have learnt at the very junior level.

8 to 15? Then you have a lot of work to do...  :wacko: That's basically revamping the whole youth training scheme of the English system.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on October 14, 2011, 07:25:24 AM
On the rare occasions that I watch a game, perhaps six times in ten years, this lack of craftmanship in England's play is obvious even to me. It is baffling that, decade after decade, this situation is allowed to continue  :hmm:

Is there, perhaps, a conflict between teaching an ordinary boy how to play the game in a way that promotes character and the teaching required for success in international football? Perhaps your typical PE teacher is worried that too much focus on craftmanship will encourage effeminate continental ways  :D

But that sounds ridiculously old-fashioned :hmm:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 07:39:18 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 07:24:50 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 07:22:09 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 06:55:28 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 05:51:11 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 04:47:02 AMThe real problem is the FA and the English coaching infrastructure, which has an institutional and cultural bias towards a very physical brand of football. Basic technique is not valued in the English game, especially at the lower levels; youth here tend to play on larger pitches where first touch and ball control is not as important as GET RID!! and KNOCK IT FORWARD SON!!.

IIRC, there's a statistic that is often quoted to explain this, and it's the number of coaches with top UEFA qualifications, or something like that, with Spain and Germany each having more than 10 times the number of top coaches than England.

I have also read some pet theory touted around by a pundit regarding the detrimental effect of the traditional loaning out of young prospects by Premiership clubs to other clubs at much lower divisions (ie, lower than Championship) during their prime developmental years between the end of their stay in the academies but before joining the first team, when instead of learning with top coaches and mingling with the first team they're sent to some backwater where they're taught the "proper" way of playing, booting the ball up in muddy fields. IIRC he argued that the Reserve teams should be scrapped and continental style B teams more or less restricted for young players should take their place. There might be a pinch of truth in that.
I think good clubs only loan out players in the 19/20 age range; I think by then one's style of play is pretty settled. Certainly, one is not going to develop natural technique by then. The problem is that apart from Arsenal, there aren't many clubs at all that have a specific focus on a technical and possession game. I've heard people saying that the rot in the English game sets it at the ages of 8 to 15 - which is why the top academies in the UK have to un-teach much of what their new entrants have learnt at the very junior level.

8 to 15? Then you have a lot of work to do...  :wacko: That's basically revamping the whole youth training scheme of the English system.
That's what the critics say is necessary.  :lol:

The only great English technical players I can remember produced by the English system over the last fifteen years are Joe Cole, Wayne Rooney and Jack Wilshere.

Only those three? I guess you consider Lampard and Gerrard, for instance, more of the gritty kind of player.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 08:14:18 AM
Lamps and Gerrard are your classic English hardworking midfielder. Fat Frank also has the advantage that he's really good at scoring deflected goals.

The thing is, there's a place in a well-rounded team for them; Barca have Dani Alves, for example, whose main quality is that he can sprint non-stop for 90 minutes. But when your entire team is made of less skilful, hard working types, you end up with England's style of choking midfield play.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 08:30:56 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 08:14:18 AM
Lamps and Gerrard are your classic English hardworking midfielder. Fat Frank also has the advantage that he's really good at scoring deflected goals.

The thing is, there's a place in a well-rounded team for them; Barca have Dani Alves, for example, whose main quality is that he can sprint non-stop for 90 minutes. But when your entire team is made of less skilful, hard working types, you end up with England's style of choking midfield play.

What about Beckham? Or do you consider him part of a previous generation already?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 09:17:11 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 08:30:56 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 08:14:18 AM
Lamps and Gerrard are your classic English hardworking midfielder. Fat Frank also has the advantage that he's really good at scoring deflected goals.

The thing is, there's a place in a well-rounded team for them; Barca have Dani Alves, for example, whose main quality is that he can sprint non-stop for 90 minutes. But when your entire team is made of less skilful, hard working types, you end up with England's style of choking midfield play.

What about Beckham? Or do you consider him part of a previous generation already?

He was produced more than fifteen years ago. I would lump him in with Giggs, who is an excellent all-round player. No surprise he's still at the top level after 20 years of consisten performance.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 14, 2011, 10:02:30 AM
This discussion made me remember this:

Matt Le Tissier's top 10 goals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSsdfe4Z69g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSsdfe4Z69g)

The 2nd one is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 10:29:47 AM
Le Tissier was ridiculously good - which is why he had a non-existent England career.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on October 14, 2011, 10:31:03 AM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 10:29:47 AM
Le Tissier was ridiculously good - which is why he had a non-existent England career.  :lol:
He should have set up a Channel Islands team.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on October 14, 2011, 10:43:45 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 14, 2011, 10:31:03 AM
He should have set up a Channel Islands team.

Wouldn't that be the Duchy of Normandy team?  I mean every other part of the UK has their own team.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 15, 2011, 06:28:41 PM
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2011, 10:29:47 AM
Le Tissier was ridiculously good - which is why he had a non-existent England career.  :lol:

I wouldnt say that great but yeah, he was good. bizzare he never got into the england Team
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on October 23, 2011, 10:25:28 AM
Damn, City has just humilliated United at Old Trafford. 1-6, that must hurt!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on October 23, 2011, 12:35:12 PM
I watched the QPR-Chelsea game on FOX Soccer and I could swear there was a QPR fan sitting in the stands wearing a Texas Longhorns cap.  :cool:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on October 23, 2011, 01:28:56 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 23, 2011, 12:35:12 PM
I watched the QPR-Chelsea game on FOX Soccer and I could swear there was a QPR fan sitting in the stands wearing a Texas Longhorns cap.  :cool:

More importantly, the ref was apparently selected from the QPR squad
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cecil on October 23, 2011, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 23, 2011, 10:25:28 AM
Damn, City has just humilliated United at Old Trafford. 1-6, that must hurt!

Read that it was their worst loss since 1955. Sounded weird but could be true I suppose.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: szmik on October 27, 2011, 12:08:41 PM
Was watching crazy fans lately, here is one vid from Turkey - Besiktas.

Feel the power  :punk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g&feature=related
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: syk on October 27, 2011, 01:42:28 PM
Quote from: szmik on October 27, 2011, 12:08:41 PM
Was watching crazy fans lately, here is one vid from Turkey - Besiktas.

Feel the power  :punk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g&feature=related
You might like one or the other St. Pauli/USP vid then.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on October 27, 2011, 01:42:51 PM
Speaking of fan reaction, this Man City supporter is hilarious http://youtu.be/5SoDCkCDfzU  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on October 27, 2011, 07:11:42 PM
The Manchester result was very unexpected.
Could this be City's year?
Strange stuff, I remember not so long ago they were struggling in division 1. Just goes to show what money can do.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on October 27, 2011, 09:57:46 PM
Probably. Could be. But  wouldn't rule out Man Utd. They have a habit of narrowing that gap and before you know it...they're right up on top again.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on October 30, 2011, 12:11:05 PM
Got up at 6:30 in the morning to watch Chelsea-Arsenal. I was not disappointed.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 09, 2011, 03:42:52 PM
Cool.

Soccer now outranks both ice hockey and basketball to become the third most attended sporting event in America.  :)

http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2011-11-07/mls-passes-nba-as-third-best-attended-american-sport
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on November 09, 2011, 05:30:11 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 09, 2011, 03:42:52 PM
Cool.

Soccer now outranks both ice hockey and basketball to become the third most attended sporting event in America.  :)

http://aol.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2011-11-07/mls-passes-nba-as-third-best-attended-american-sport

  :P That's not what the story says Martim.

It says the average per game audience at MLS passed the average per game audience at NBA.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 09, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
 ;)

I'll retract that.

The average MLS game attracts more people than the average NBA or NHL game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on November 09, 2011, 06:23:33 PM
I think most MLS teams actually have purpose-built soccer stadia now, rather than using NFL or college facilities like in the 90s. It's a nice touch.

Regarding the MLS, our world-renowned league has its MLS Cup Final on November 20. See Sir Davey Becks, Irish Giant Robbie Keane, and American Messi Landon Donovan take on Houston Dynamo to find out who will win the coveted Philip F. Anschutz Trophy.  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on November 09, 2011, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on November 09, 2011, 06:23:33 PM
I think most MLS teams actually have purpose-built soccer stadia now, rather than using NFL or college facilities like in the 90s. It's a nice touch.



Columbus Crew's stadium is a nice little field. The Crew was a total joke in Ohio Stadium.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 09, 2011, 07:08:16 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on November 09, 2011, 06:23:33 PM
I think most MLS teams actually have purpose-built soccer stadia now, rather than using NFL or college facilities like in the 90s. It's a nice touch.

Regarding the MLS, our world-renowned league has its MLS Cup Final on November 20. See Sir Davey Becks, Irish Giant Robbie Keane, and American Messi Landon Donovan take on Houston Dynamo to find out who will win the coveted Philip F. Anschutz Trophy.  :)

Should be a good game. Looking forward to it. L.A. should win.

In other news, L.A.'s next game will be the Champions League Q/F against Toronto FC in early March. Here we're still debating whether to host the game in the cold BMO field or inside at Rogers Centre (SkyDome)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on November 10, 2011, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: Josephus on November 09, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
;)

I'll retract that.

The average MLS game attracts more people than the average NBA or NHL game.

Well, soccer has much more potential for bigger attendances than sports that have to be played in arenas. The biggest basketball courts seat around 20.000 people or little more, that for a footie stadium is an average sized stadium.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on November 11, 2011, 09:15:23 PM
This was from The Guardian's Joy of Six today and jesus christ how do you do that :cry: :cry: http://youtu.be/UkxEbVk5xZ0
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on November 12, 2011, 02:41:34 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on November 11, 2011, 09:15:23 PM
This was from The Guardian's Joy of Six today and jesus christ how do you do that :cry: :cry: http://youtu.be/UkxEbVk5xZ0
Wow, that's pretty much perfect.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: dps on November 12, 2011, 06:16:56 AM
Very impressive, yeah.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on November 16, 2011, 04:40:18 AM
All teams for Euro 2012 are now qualified. The pots for the draw on 2 Dec are:

Pot 1: Ukraine, Poland, Spain, Netherlands
Pot 2: Germany, Italy, England, Russia
Pot 3: Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden
Pot 4: Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Republic of Ireland

Ukraine and Poland being seeded means that groups A and D are much easier than groups B and C which will have Spain and the Netherlands in them.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on November 16, 2011, 04:59:24 AM
Quote from: Zanza on November 16, 2011, 04:40:18 AM
All teams for Euro 2012 are now qualified. The pots for the draw on 2 Dec are:

Pot 1: Ukraine, Poland, Spain, Netherlands
Pot 2: Germany, Italy, England, Russia
Pot 3: Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden
Pot 4: Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Republic of Ireland

Ukraine and Poland being seeded means that groups A and D are much easier than groups B and C which will have Spain and the Netherlands in them.

These dual nation host tournaments should remove the free spots and free seeding from the hosts. With only 16 nations there are some strange places on that list. And some even stranger nations not partaking due to Poland and Ukraine taking up the spots.

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on November 16, 2011, 05:07:16 AM
The hosts not having to qualify is okay with me as a tournament without the host team would be strange. However, I wouldn't seed them in the first pot. Just seed them with everybody else and then shuffle the groups so that the play at home. Shouldn't be that hard.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on November 16, 2011, 06:26:02 AM
Quote from: Zanza on November 16, 2011, 04:40:18 AM
All teams for Euro 2012 are now qualified. The pots for the draw on 2 Dec are:

Pot 1: Ukraine, Poland, Spain, Netherlands
Pot 2: Germany, Italy, England, Russia
Pot 3: Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden
Pot 4: Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Republic of Ireland

Ukraine and Poland being seeded means that groups A and D are much easier than groups B and C which will have Spain and the Netherlands in them.

Possible group of death :

Spain, Germany, Portugal, France
:zipped:

Next Euro will have more countries qualifying so no more cutthroat group phases anyways.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on November 16, 2011, 06:30:20 AM
Yeah, I can't decide if I think that is a good idea or not. next one after that will have 24, thats half the 53 members of the UEFA, meaning qualifying would be easier, but also that there will be too little "Win or Die" in the competition.

I still think Denmark should take portugal or swedens places.. neither finished first in the group. I DO know its the last three tournaments that counts, but still...

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on November 16, 2011, 06:32:20 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 16, 2011, 06:26:02 AM
Quote from: Zanza on November 16, 2011, 04:40:18 AM
All teams for Euro 2012 are now qualified. The pots for the draw on 2 Dec are:

Pot 1: Ukraine, Poland, Spain, Netherlands
Pot 2: Germany, Italy, England, Russia
Pot 3: Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden
Pot 4: Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Republic of Ireland

Ukraine and Poland being seeded means that groups A and D are much easier than groups B and C which will have Spain and the Netherlands in them.

Possible group of death :

Spain, Germany, Portugal, France
:zipped:

Next Euro will have more countries qualifying so no more cutthroat group phases anyways.

Somebody on P'dox mentioned the "Group of debt", with Spain, Italy, Greece/Portugal and Ireland.  :lol:

Or swap Italy with Germany and have every team ultra-motivated to beat the krauts, in order to avenge their dire straits.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on November 16, 2011, 07:07:01 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on November 16, 2011, 06:30:20 AM
Yeah, I can't decide if I think that is a good idea or not. next one after that will have 24, thats half the 53 members of the UEFA, meaning qualifying would be easier, but also that there will be too little "Win or Die" in the competition.
It makes the qualification so much less interesting for the big teams though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on November 16, 2011, 07:58:07 AM
Quote from: The Larch on November 16, 2011, 06:32:20 AM
Somebody on P'dox mentioned the "Group of debt", with Spain, Italy, Greece/Portugal and Ireland.  :lol:

:D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on November 16, 2011, 08:12:13 AM
Quote from: Zanza on November 16, 2011, 07:07:01 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on November 16, 2011, 06:30:20 AM
Yeah, I can't decide if I think that is a good idea or not. next one after that will have 24, thats half the 53 members of the UEFA, meaning qualifying would be easier, but also that there will be too little "Win or Die" in the competition.
It makes the qualification so much less interesting for the big teams though.

Even for the smaller ones if you only need third spot to go to play off games as 1 and 2 qualify directly

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 16, 2011, 08:26:05 AM
I think it works best the way it is. That's my problem with the world cup where the first round produces a series of snore-fests with teams that shouldn't be there. With the Euros, which I've always felt is the best international tournament, part of its appeal was its short, every game matters, no minnows feel.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Grey Fox on November 23, 2011, 11:38:18 AM
MLS expansion draft today.

Who will the Impact pick?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 23, 2011, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 23, 2011, 11:38:18 AM
MLS expansion draft today.

Who will the Impact pick?

So exciting.  ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Grey Fox on November 23, 2011, 11:44:48 AM
Quote from: Josephus on November 23, 2011, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 23, 2011, 11:38:18 AM
MLS expansion draft today.

Who will the Impact pick?

So exciting.  ;)

We need a team! Hopefully, no one name Adu makes it.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 23, 2011, 03:48:33 PM
Here you go GF

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/11/23/ching-mapp-headline-montreal-expansion-draft-picks

The Montreal Impact threw a few surprises into their picks in Wednesday's Expansion Draft, selecting several marquee names, including Houston's Brian Ching and Philadelphia's Justin Mapp.

Ching has gone on the record to say he would not move to Montreal if picked. How that will play out remains to be seen, and Montreal coach Jesse Marsch said he is still open to various options.

Mapp was one of two high-profile Union players on offer, the other being Freddy Adu. On Tuesday, Marsch indicated that Adu was a possibility, but in the end, chose his teammate, who does not come with as high a salary and is more established in the league on the field.

Elsewhere, Marsch chose to bolster the backline, acquiring San Jose centerback Bobby Burling, Columbus left back Josh Gardner, Sporting KC left back Seth Sinovic, Vancouver right back Jeb Brovsky, and Chivas USA right back Zarek Valentin.

The selection of Colorado midfielder Sanna Nyassi provides some good speed on the flanks, and Real Salt Lake's Collen Warner is an up-and-coming attacking midfielder who showed flashes in 2011.

The final pick, Seattle right back James Riley, was shipped to Chivas USA immediately in exchange for forward Justin Braun and midfielder Gerson Mayen.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on November 23, 2011, 06:44:53 PM
Wait....so....in american mls they draft and have free choice of players from other teams? :blink:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on November 23, 2011, 06:49:11 PM
Quote from: Tyr on November 23, 2011, 06:44:53 PM
Wait....so....in american mls they draft and have free choice of players from other teams? :blink:

Expansion Draft. If it is like other sports leagues, each team will designate players that can be drafted off their roster so that the new teams can fill its roster up.

It is a good way of teams to ditch underperforming playes, relics and overpaid crybabies.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on November 23, 2011, 08:11:54 PM
I admittedly don't watch much MLS. The only players I recognize on that list are Ching and Adu.  :blush:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on November 23, 2011, 08:17:02 PM
How's Chivas USA doing for sponsorship deals?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 23, 2011, 09:42:20 PM
Quote from: Tyr on November 23, 2011, 06:44:53 PM
Wait....so....in american mls they draft and have free choice of players from other teams? :blink:

Yeah as Ed said; they only do this when there's an expansion team, ie a new team entering the league. All the other teams have to leave a certain number of players unprotected and the entering team, in this case Montreal, can pick from these unprotected players. As said, normally you leave players you weren't keen on re-signing anyways...or  player whom you gamble the other team can't afford.

For instance of the seven players left unprotected by Toronto, six were released today following the draft. The seventh, Julian De Guzman, was a "DP", a designated player, whose salary Montreal could ill afford right now, or wouldn't want to pay, and they didn't pick him.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on November 23, 2011, 09:42:50 PM
In other news...anyone watch the Barca-Milan game? Great game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on November 24, 2011, 06:41:19 PM
Still half asleep and I saw via the way facebook does someone had just read this

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/portugal-sells-ronaldo-to-spain-in-160m-deal-on-national-debt-2258903.html?fb_action_ids=10150392305743692%2C10150411468368113%2C10150423371942103%2C273339162712817%2C683726799052&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_source=other_multiline#access_token=AAADWQ6323IoBAC1GLCUSsHZCeeSmEiu67DMxphZCExj5Q1GzZCWmUWTC2HaHA0F6xB9175FIZA8ZB8KxFQFRHswst4cUJ9WHNaZB4sR3RrHAZDZD&expires_in=5177

I took it to be recent and went "WTF!?!?!? HUH!?!? It has to be a joke, surely, but why?".....then noticed the date.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on November 27, 2011, 05:01:36 PM
Gary Speed, Wales' current national coach and footie legend was found dead at his house this morning. Apparently he hanged himself.

He was only 42.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on November 27, 2011, 10:47:18 PM
Yeah, I saw that, really surprising. Wales were doing rather good lately weren:t  they?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Octavian on November 28, 2011, 05:10:12 AM
Quote from: Tyr on November 27, 2011, 10:47:18 PM
Yeah, I saw that, really surprising. Wales were doing rather good lately weren:t  they?

Presumably killing himself had nothing to do with how well or bad Wales does in football. Just a guess but i'm sure other factors played a role in his decision to do the swinging negro..
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on November 28, 2011, 07:34:22 AM
Your work life going badly and failing your country would sure a huge factor in deciding to commiting suicide.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on November 28, 2011, 07:45:12 AM
Quote from: Tyr on November 28, 2011, 07:34:22 AMYour work life going badly and failing your country would sure a huge factor in deciding to commiting suicide.
True but I think footballers and football managers are used to that sort of pressure.

Having said that Wales were doing really well.  It's very sad :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Octavian on November 28, 2011, 08:30:32 AM
Quote from: Tyr on November 28, 2011, 07:34:22 AM
Your work life going badly and failing your country would sure a huge factor in deciding to commiting suicide.

Failing Wales? Have you ever been to Wales Tyr? ...it's a ghastly place. Huge gangs of tough sinewy men roam the valleys terrorizing people with their close-harmony singing. You need half a pint of phlegm in your throat just to pronounce the placenames. Never ask for directions in Wales Tyr, you'll be washing spit out of your hair for a fortnight.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on December 02, 2011, 11:59:18 AM
Euro Cup draws coming up in a few minutes. I'm hoping we get Sweden in the last group game. 2-2 anyone?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on December 02, 2011, 12:14:36 PM
Pot 1
Ukraine
Poland
Spain
Netherlands

Pot 2
Germany
Italy
England
Russia

Pot 3
Croatia
Greece
Portugal
Sweden

Pot 4
Denmark
France
Czech Republic
Republic of Ireland

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on December 02, 2011, 12:16:11 PM
god damn greeks. Besides that Portugal came out lucky.

*edit. damn it read that wrong. those are the pots
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2011, 12:17:08 PM
Quote from: Octavian on November 28, 2011, 08:30:32 AM
Failing Wales? Have you ever been to Wales Tyr? ...it's a ghastly place. Huge gangs of tough sinewy men roam the valleys terrorizing people with their close-harmony singing.

:lol: And their aggressive shocks of thick black hair.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on December 02, 2011, 12:54:30 PM
Holy shit  :(
Holland - Germany - Denmark - Portugal
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Grey Fox on December 02, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
B is the group of death then.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on December 02, 2011, 12:57:13 PM
Germany - Netherlands, Italy - Spain, England - France ... some good games in the first round. :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on December 02, 2011, 12:58:49 PM
Quote from: Maladict on December 02, 2011, 12:54:30 PM
Holy shit  :(
Holland - Germany - Denmark - Portugal
great. Portugal can't seem to beat denmark and the dutch are evil.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Grey Fox on December 02, 2011, 12:59:08 PM
Group A sucks.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on December 02, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
Group B  :licklips:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 02, 2011, 01:00:14 PM
As an England fan I have to say:  "this is going to be a short tournament."

Oh wait, not too bad. Was looking at the pots. Confusing.

GROUP A
Poland
Greece
Russia
Czech Republic

GROUP B
Netherlands
Denmark
Germany
Portugal
GROUP C

Spain
Italy
Ireland
Croatia
GROUP D

Ukraine
Sweden
France
England
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Grey Fox on December 02, 2011, 01:03:51 PM
Quote from: Josephus on December 02, 2011, 01:00:14 PM
As an England fan I have to say:  "this is going to be a short tournament."

They (we) can get out of the group phase. France sucks. Maybe Sweden has gotten stronger. I only follow football every 2 years.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 02, 2011, 01:06:14 PM
So looking at it, doesn't seem like there's a big group of death, except for maybe group B.
Group A is the group of un-death. Four mediocre teams. Any team can get out.
Group B should be Germany and Holland.
Group C should be Italy Spain
and Group D, well you never know with England but it should be England France, although both Ukriane and Sweden can beat England.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on December 02, 2011, 01:06:36 PM
Group B is going to be pretty intense for Denmark.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 02, 2011, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 02, 2011, 01:03:51 PM
They (we) can get out of the group phase. France sucks. Maybe Sweden has gotten stronger. I only follow football every 2 years.

France doesn't suck :angry:

Though their football program did suffer big blow by being run by a bunch of racists :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Grey Fox on December 02, 2011, 01:14:03 PM
Give me Zidane or give me death!


I remember in 98! I had such a wonderfull time.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 02, 2011, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 02, 2011, 01:14:03 PM
I remember in 98! I had such a wonderfull time.

Me to.  It was glorious.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Cerr on December 02, 2011, 01:24:17 PM
An ok draw for Ireland. It's going to be hard though.

Would have preferred to be in Group A of course.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on December 02, 2011, 01:27:05 PM
We almost got the group of debt :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on December 02, 2011, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 02, 2011, 01:27:05 PM
We almost got the group of debt :(

:lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on December 02, 2011, 03:10:48 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 02, 2011, 01:27:05 PM
We almost got the group of debt :(

Croatia has less than a year to borrow huge amounts of money in an unsustainable manner.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 02, 2011, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 02, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
B is the group of death then.

Sadly not the so-called über group of death  ;) since I would have preferred a not yet rebuilt France squad to Denmark.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on December 03, 2011, 04:42:01 PM
The last twenty minutes of Inter - Udinese this Saturday :   :lol:

I need to watch more Serie A.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: szmik on December 03, 2011, 05:01:38 PM
People in Poland are full of hope, as usual before any tournament our team manages to get to. Now this bunch of losers is going to disappoint having the easiest possible group competition. I foresee Russian team making it again to final four.  :sleep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on December 04, 2011, 08:36:15 AM
I agree with the concensus.
Group A is rather dull, though should be nice for the Poles having the Russians and the Czechs for a bit of rivalry?  Russia should get htrough, otherwise...ehh... no idea.

Group B is the group of death. Denmark are screwed, any of the other three could do it. Guess I'll go with the Dutch missing out.

Group C is quite a straight forward Italy and Spain going through.

Group D is rather easy. France and England are unpredictable but generally better than the other two
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on December 04, 2011, 11:01:13 AM
France will find a way to fuck it up for themselves again.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 04, 2011, 11:24:21 AM
Brazilian legend Sócrates, "O doutor da bola", star of the '82 and '86 World Cups, passed away, aged 57, due to complications from alcoholism.

There are no players like him anymore...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkq4fVKzibY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkq4fVKzibY)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYWhIJMLm34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYWhIJMLm34)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 04, 2011, 01:57:02 PM
Funny, we (my brother and I) were talking about Socrates just last night.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on December 06, 2011, 05:10:12 AM
I really don't understand English football commentators and journalists.

Just because you get the ball does not make a tackle ok; having reviewed Spearing's studs-up, above-ankle-height, both feet off the floor challenge yesterday, I can't see how it's anything else but a straight red.

And yet we have crap about "outlawing the tackle" being written.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Syt on December 06, 2011, 05:19:53 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 04, 2011, 11:24:21 AM
Brazilian legend Sócrates, "O doutor da bola", star of the '82 and '86 World Cups, passed away, aged 57, due to complications from alcoholism.

There are no players like him anymore...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkq4fVKzibY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkq4fVKzibY)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYWhIJMLm34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYWhIJMLm34)

:(

I always liked that he was a medical doctor besides a football pro.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 06, 2011, 08:24:58 AM
The commentators keep saying that if the defender gets the ball, it's not a foul. but that's not the case. you cant go in dangerously and take the ball.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on December 06, 2011, 09:04:23 AM
Increasingly the case these days.
Why I remember back in the day if you could take the ball but still fuck up your opponent then it was win-win....
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 06, 2011, 04:55:05 PM
For its last CL group game Barcelona has just fielded a team made up mostly with players from the academy team, if it wasn't for a couple of veterans its average age would be around 20. They still won 4-0. Against BATE Borisov from Belarus, but still...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on December 06, 2011, 04:57:11 PM
The "but he got the ball" argument is spouted by people who haven't actually read the rules, which specifically caution against reckless behaviour, rather than failure to get the ball. Playing the man rather than the ball is just one of the criteria that indicate unsporting or reckless play.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 07, 2011, 08:36:40 PM
Buh bye Manchester.

Both of you.  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on December 08, 2011, 09:49:17 AM
So Manchester United go out of a group consisting of Benfica, Basel, and Otelul Galati?  :huh:  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on December 08, 2011, 02:08:05 PM
Did anybody see Lyon - Zagreb? Allegations of match fixing as Lyon needed to win as high as possible and shot 7 goals within less than half an hour in the second half...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on December 08, 2011, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: Zanza on December 08, 2011, 02:08:05 PM
Did anybody see Lyon - Zagreb? Allegations of match fixing as Lyon needed to win as high as possible and shot 7 goals within less than half an hour in the second half...

Dinamo owner/chairman is a corrupt bastard so really I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 08, 2011, 03:48:02 PM
Is he family?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on December 08, 2011, 03:55:56 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 08, 2011, 03:48:02 PM
Is he family?

To somebody? Almost certainly.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: szmik on December 08, 2011, 04:01:39 PM
Quote from: Zanza on December 08, 2011, 02:08:05 PM
Did anybody see Lyon - Zagreb? Allegations of match fixing as Lyon needed to win as high as possible and shot 7 goals within less than half an hour in the second half...

Match fixing already happened with Dinamo Kiev about 15 years ago. How many times it wasn't caught though?
And this time it's so obvious....


Too bad I'm Ajax fan.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Maladict on December 09, 2011, 01:54:18 PM
It's the two disallowed Ajax goals that bug me most. Get the damn cameras in already.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: szmik on December 09, 2011, 03:27:43 PM
Quote from: Maladict on December 09, 2011, 01:54:18 PM
It's the two disallowed Ajax goals that bug me most. Get the damn cameras in already.
which is why they won't do it
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 15, 2011, 10:37:16 AM
Villa just got severely injured in a silly game of the Fifa club world cup against a Quatary team. He broke his tibia, will be sidelined for several months and might not be able to recover in time for the Euro Cup.  :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on December 15, 2011, 11:02:47 AM
Good news for Germany.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on December 15, 2011, 11:03:35 AM
But why did Barcelona bother fielding its starters in that tournament? It's completely useless and gets no coverage.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 15, 2011, 11:08:19 AM
Quote from: Liep on December 15, 2011, 11:03:35 AM
But why did Barcelona bother fielding its starters in that tournament? It's completely useless and gets no coverage.

Good question. Guardiola fielded almost the C team in the last game of the Champions League group stage before the Real Madrid game, and I guess that those players would be good enough to beat the Quataris, but for some reason he fielded a competitive squad today.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on December 15, 2011, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: Liep on December 15, 2011, 11:03:35 AM
But why did Barcelona bother fielding its starters in that tournament? It's completely useless and gets no coverage.

We get live coverage here....5 30 am  :lol:

I agree, though, useless tournament.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on December 15, 2011, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: Liep on December 15, 2011, 11:02:47 AM
Good news for Germany.
Not really. It's always sad when a great player misses a big tournament. Especially because of such a useless game. And Villa is already 30, so it isn't certain that he'll still have the class in 2014.  :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on December 15, 2011, 07:11:53 PM
Quote from: Zanza on December 15, 2011, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: Liep on December 15, 2011, 11:02:47 AM
Good news for Germany.
Not really. It's always sad when a great player misses a big tournament. Especially because of such a useless game. And Villa is already 30, so it isn't certain that he'll still have the class in 2014.  :(

Poor Villa, he's done an Eduardo. :(
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on December 15, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
Quote from: Liep on December 15, 2011, 11:03:35 AM
But why did Barcelona bother fielding its starters in that tournament? It's completely useless and gets no coverage.
Pretty big coverage in Japan. There was quite the fuss here over Messi visiting the country. I guess it might spread into the rest of Asia too, which is good for commercial reasons.
Also the prize money is quite significant.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 16, 2011, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: Warspite on December 15, 2011, 07:11:53 PM
Quote from: Zanza on December 15, 2011, 03:42:45 PM
Quote from: Liep on December 15, 2011, 11:02:47 AM
Good news for Germany.
Not really. It's always sad when a great player misses a big tournament. Especially because of such a useless game. And Villa is already 30, so it isn't certain that he'll still have the class in 2014.  :(

Poor Villa, he's done an Eduardo. :(

It's not as severe as that, apparently. What Villa has is a closed stress fracture, with no dislocation. Eduardo missed a full year, while doctors say that Villa might be able to train again in 4 months, but won't recover his form until next season. That is, he could be taken to the Euro cup, but his form would most probably be atrocious.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on December 16, 2011, 08:43:17 AM
Can't be worse than Torres.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on December 16, 2011, 09:30:31 AM
Quote from: Zanza on December 16, 2011, 08:43:17 AM
Can't be worse than Torres.

Jesus christ, he's atrocious lately. The Chelsea board must be knocking their heads against the wall for that signing.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Threviel on December 16, 2011, 03:23:13 PM
With luck the so-damn-boring Spanish team will be out in the group stage. Thank you Villa!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on December 16, 2011, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: Threviel on December 16, 2011, 03:23:13 PM
With luck the so-damn-boring Spanish team will be out in the group stage. Thank you Villa!

Ireland 8 - 2 Spain ?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 04, 2012, 10:42:55 PM
USA number one Tim Howard scores a goal from his own penalty box during open play. http://youtu.be/jfXxBrLcKus

:)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on January 04, 2012, 10:47:27 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 04, 2012, 10:42:55 PM
USA number one Tim Howard scores a goal from his own penalty box during open play. http://youtu.be/jfXxBrLcKus

:)
:lol:
That's amazing.
He doesn't seem too happy about it though, lol.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on January 04, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
A hell of a kick he has. And he joins the rare club of keepers who has scored in the premier league, I read it was only 3 others.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 04, 2012, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: Liep on January 04, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
A hell of a kick he has. And he joins the rare club of keepers who has scored in the premier league, I read it was only 3 others.

To be fair the wind carried it farther than it might have otherwise gone. I feel a little bad for the Bolton keeper, but not too bad - his side won the game.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on January 04, 2012, 11:15:58 PM
Was this Tuesdays games?
I do remember the commentators mentioning bad wind during Sunderland's one.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 04, 2012, 11:20:48 PM
No it was a Wednesday game.

Question: Why do you Brits play like ten games while everyone else is on a mid-season break? Tradition or something?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on January 04, 2012, 11:24:47 PM
Winter holidays are when everyone is traditionally off work and wanting to enjoy themselves, it makes business sense to have the games when your audience is most willing and able to see them.
Boxing day and new years games are tradition yeah, these are 'extras' though in addition to the regular Saturday games- due to christmas being a Sunday this year the Saturday games were moved about though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 04, 2012, 11:39:27 PM
Cool.  :bowler:

I'm certainly not complaining. The only negative is waking up earlier more often during the week to catch a kickoff.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on January 05, 2012, 05:42:37 AM
Quote from: Tyr on January 04, 2012, 11:15:58 PM
Was this Tuesdays games?
I do remember the commentators mentioning bad wind during Sunderland's one.
Wednesday's Everton v Bolton.  Aside from that, it wasn't one for the ages.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on January 05, 2012, 08:26:34 AM
Quote from: Tyr on January 04, 2012, 10:47:27 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 04, 2012, 10:42:55 PM
USA number one Tim Howard scores a goal from his own penalty box during open play. http://youtu.be/jfXxBrLcKus

:)
:lol:
That's amazing.
He doesn't seem too happy about it though, lol.

He's just classy. He knows he embarassed the hell out of another goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 21, 2012, 07:41:02 AM
Interesting note for this weekend: Tomorrow's Arsenal v. Manchester United will be the first English Premier League game in history to be shown live on American free-to-air television.  :bowler:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on January 21, 2012, 09:00:05 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 21, 2012, 07:41:02 AM
Interesting note for this weekend: Tomorrow's Arsenal v. Manchester United will be the first English Premier League game in history to be shown live on American free-to-air television.  :bowler:

The new British invasion is beginning.  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on January 21, 2012, 09:35:32 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 21, 2012, 07:41:02 AM
Interesting note for this weekend: Tomorrow's Arsenal v. Manchester United will be the first English Premier League game in history to be shown live on American free-to-air television.  :bowler:

Don't expect a good match. Arsenal have eleven injuries to Manchester's ten - most of whom in each case are first-teamers.

Of course, the FA would tell you that these injuries have nothing at all to do with fixture congestion...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 21, 2012, 10:00:42 AM
Quote from: Warspite on January 21, 2012, 09:35:32 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 21, 2012, 07:41:02 AM
Interesting note for this weekend: Tomorrow's Arsenal v. Manchester United will be the first English Premier League game in history to be shown live on American free-to-air television.  :bowler:

Don't expect a good match. Arsenal have eleven injuries to Manchester's ten - most of whom in each case are first-teamers.

Of course, the FA would tell you that these injuries have nothing at all to do with fixture congestion...

As long as it's not 2-8 :bleeding:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on January 22, 2012, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 21, 2012, 07:41:02 AM
Interesting note for this weekend: Tomorrow's Arsenal v. Manchester United will be the first English Premier League game in history to be shown live on American free-to-air television.  :bowler:
Is it true that Piers Morgan is the 'expert' pundit? :despair: :weep:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on January 22, 2012, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 22, 2012, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 21, 2012, 07:41:02 AM
Interesting note for this weekend: Tomorrow's Arsenal v. Manchester United will be the first English Premier League game in history to be shown live on American free-to-air television.  :bowler:
Is it true that Piers Morgan is the 'expert' pundit? :despair: :weep:

No, he's an idiot - like most football pundits actually, so perhaps that isn't a hinderance. The only football pundits I read these days are the handful that actually understand the tactics of the game, like Michael Cox and Jonathan Wilson.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 22, 2012, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 21, 2012, 07:41:02 AM
Interesting note for this weekend: Tomorrow's Arsenal v. Manchester United will be the first English Premier League game in history to be shown live on American free-to-air television.  :bowler:
Is it true that Piers Morgan is the 'expert' pundit? :despair: :weep:

Yes, and he was terrible. Absolutely insufferable during half-time. After the final whistle I immediately turned the TV off to save my ears from bleeding. The game itself was suffering enough.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on January 22, 2012, 01:45:28 PM
It's a shame you didn't get City v Spurs.  Which is some comment on Manchester and North London.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 01:47:28 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 22, 2012, 01:45:28 PM
It's a shame you didn't get City v Spurs.  Which is some comment on Manchester and North London.

I did see City v. Spurs; it was live on Fox Soccer Channel this morning. They really should have played that over Ars/Utd on the main network.

Edit: From The Guardian's Minute-by-minute:
QuoteIt's finished Manchester 5-3 North London. Last time it was 13-3, so it's progress of sorts.

  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 01:57:16 PM
But about Arsenal/United: I know Wenger likes to sub off his wingers/midfielders at around 70 minutes, but taking off Chamberlain for Arshavin was a Really Bad Move. Arsenal seemed to lose any attacking ability down that flank and Arshavin let Valencia practically stroll into the box and set up the second goal. It was like they were playing with 10 men.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on January 22, 2012, 02:03:51 PM
I enjoyed the dude knocking himself out at the goal.  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
Ed watches soccer. :o
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on January 22, 2012, 02:31:52 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
Ed watches soccer. :o

Shocking, isn't it?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 02:35:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2012, 02:31:52 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
Ed watches soccer. :o

Shocking, isn't it?

I'll sacrifice several hipsters tomorrow in your honor.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on January 22, 2012, 02:39:02 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 02:35:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2012, 02:31:52 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
Ed watches soccer. :o

Shocking, isn't it?

I'll sacrifice several hipsters tomorrow in your honor.

Your sacrifice has been noticed.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on January 22, 2012, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 01:57:16 PM
But about Arsenal/United: I know Wenger likes to sub off his wingers/midfielders at around 70 minutes, but taking off Chamberlain for Arshavin was a Really Bad Move. Arsenal seemed to lose any attacking ability down that flank and Arshavin let Valencia practically stroll into the box and set up the second goal. It was like they were playing with 10 men.

AOC was tired. The problem, as it has been the last number of games, is the lack of full-backs. They are absolutely vital in 4-3-3. In any case, I have no idea what the home fans were thinking booing the decision and then Arshavin; the general sense of entitlement that Arsenal fans now seem to have is appaling. They had the energy to boo Arshavin, but could barely make a peep the entire first half. Insuffrable gits.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 02:54:12 PM
Quote from: Warspite on January 22, 2012, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 22, 2012, 01:57:16 PM
But about Arsenal/United: I know Wenger likes to sub off his wingers/midfielders at around 70 minutes, but taking off Chamberlain for Arshavin was a Really Bad Move. Arsenal seemed to lose any attacking ability down that flank and Arshavin let Valencia practically stroll into the box and set up the second goal. It was like they were playing with 10 men.

AOC was tired. The problem, as it has been the last number of games, is the lack of full-backs. They are absolutely vital in 4-3-3. In any case, I have no idea what the home fans were thinking booing the decision and then Arshavin; the general sense of entitlement that Arsenal fans now seem to have is appaling. They had the energy to boo Arshavin, but could barely make a peep the entire first half. Insuffrable gits.


I do feel really bad for Arshavin. He put in a couple of decent shifts over the past few games so I was hoping to see more of the same. I was pretty appalled myself at the boos as he came on. Unfortunately, the booing seemed to have affected his play.

I guess I'm trying not to be overly critical of Wenger's substitutions. Taking Djourou off for Yennaris was a good move and stabilized that side of the back four. And he likes to take off one of his wingers off around 70 minutes, and as you said AOC was tired. 
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on January 24, 2012, 08:37:05 PM
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Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 24, 2012, 08:40:28 PM
 :lmfao:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on January 24, 2012, 08:54:13 PM
So far only bright spot for me in EPL with Arsenal looking like :x is performance of Clint Dempsey for Fulham.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on January 24, 2012, 09:25:33 PM
Yep, :lol: worthy.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on January 24, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
Were they booing Arshavin, specifically? I thought they were booing WEnger for removing AOC.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 24, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 24, 2012, 08:54:13 PM
So far only bright spot for me in EPL with Arsenal looking like :x is performance of Clint Dempsey for Fulham.

Dempsey's was the first hat trick by an American in the EPL.  :cool:

But yeah, Arsenal is not looking so hot. Wilshere and Sagna come back in February, so hopefully things will tick up.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on January 24, 2012, 10:30:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 24, 2012, 08:37:05 PM
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WTF. :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on January 24, 2012, 10:38:40 PM
Quote from: Josephus on January 24, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
Were they booing Arshavin, specifically? I thought they were booing WEnger for removing AOC.

I was a little confused myself. When it happened I had to turn the volume up because I thought the music I was playing in the background was producing the boos. It did seem like they were booing Wenger for the sub. Arshavin was just collateral damage. I'm pretty sure if he had subbed off Walcott there wouldn't have been such an outrage.

Van Persie looked a little perplexed at the substitution as well, though I think the media made a mountain out of a mole hill from his reaction.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on February 05, 2012, 10:11:18 AM
Where would I best buy Premier League tickets online?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 05, 2012, 02:17:24 PM
I enjoyed the flopping in the ManU-Chelsea game.  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 05, 2012, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 05, 2012, 02:17:24 PM
I enjoyed the flopping in the ManU-Chelsea game.  :)

Yeah, it was a good one.

Hopefully tonight's football extravaganza will match this morning's, uhh, football extravanganza.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on February 05, 2012, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 05, 2012, 10:11:18 AM
Where would I best buy Premier League tickets online?

Best to go via club websites. Which club are you looking to see?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on February 05, 2012, 03:37:50 PM
I'll be in London in March. Apparently only the Queens Park Rangers and Fulham have home games that weekend. There is also Tottenham vs ManU, but that's too late for my flight back and I guess it will be harder to get tickets for that.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on February 05, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
It should not be hard to get QPR or Fulham tickets unless it's a derby game. Have a go via their websites, if you have no luck let me know as I can ask some friends who are fans if they have any ideas. Tottenham / Man Utd will sell out for sure.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 05, 2012, 04:35:21 PM
@ Boner  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on February 05, 2012, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: Warspite on February 05, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
It should not be hard to get QPR or Fulham tickets unless it's a derby game. Have a go via their websites, if you have no luck let me know as I can ask some friends who are fans if they have any ideas. Tottenham / Man Utd will sell out for sure.

Hey, (totally unrelated to this thread) I've just PMed you, just to let you know.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 06, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
Most interesting thing at the Tottenham-Liverpool game: The cat on the field.

The game itself: BORING
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 06, 2012, 04:32:53 PM
Carroll is a worthless tall turd.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Barrister on February 06, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Warspite on February 05, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
It should not be hard to get QPR or Fulham tickets unless it's a derby game. Have a go via their websites, if you have no luck let me know as I can ask some friends who are fans if they have any ideas. Tottenham / Man Utd will sell out for sure.

This reminds me - my dad out of nowhere has become a big soccer fan (probably because its the one sport he didn't have to cover in his days as a sports reporter), and has chosen Fulham to be his favourite team (almost certainly because him and my mom ran "Fulham Castle Bed and Breakfast" for a number of years on Fulham Ave).

Someone needs to give me some material I can use to belittle Fulham.   :ph34r:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on February 06, 2012, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 06, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
Most interesting thing at the Tottenham-Liverpool game: The cat on the field.

The game itself: BORING

What happened to the cat afterwards. I'm pretty sure it spent the rest of the game hiding in Assou-Ekotto's hair.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 06, 2012, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 06, 2012, 04:32:53 PM
Carroll is a worthless tall turd.
:lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on February 06, 2012, 06:27:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Warspite on February 05, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
It should not be hard to get QPR or Fulham tickets unless it's a derby game. Have a go via their websites, if you have no luck let me know as I can ask some friends who are fans if they have any ideas. Tottenham / Man Utd will sell out for sure.

This reminds me - my dad out of nowhere has become a big soccer fan (probably because its the one sport he didn't have to cover in his days as a sports reporter), and has chosen Fulham to be his favourite team (almost certainly because him and my mom ran "Fulham Castle Bed and Breakfast" for a number of years on Fulham Ave).

Someone needs to give me some material I can use to belittle Fulham.   :ph34r:

Its supporters are known as Cottagers, which can be taken to say that they look for anonymous gay sex in public lavatories.

And they have a statue of Michael Jackson outside their stadium, because he was a buddy of the club's president, Mohammed Al-Fayed, owner of Harrods and father of Dodi al-Fayed, of Lady Di poshumous fame.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 06, 2012, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 06, 2012, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 06, 2012, 04:32:53 PM
Carroll is a worthless tall turd.
:lol:

He spent more time whining to the ref than playing the game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on February 06, 2012, 06:50:21 PM
Quote from: The Larch on February 06, 2012, 06:27:08 PM
And they have a statue of Michael Jackson outside their stadium, because he was a buddy of the club's president, Mohammed Al-Fayed, owner of Harrods and father of Dodi al-Fayed, of Lady Di poshumous fame.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2011%2F04%2F03%2Farticle-1372878-0B7671FB00000578-972_306x423.jpg&hash=9b1f8e17d45b09f49f3d2f9859ebbc590f24f4fe)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on February 06, 2012, 07:20:12 PM
What a crappy statue.
And yes, certainly on the cottagers. :lol:

Fulham...odd choice of team! They're just not top league material. A total non-entity lower league team in my childhood and for most of their history, just getting up to the premier on account of their rich owner.

Who're QPR/Fulham playing at the time you're looking at?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on February 07, 2012, 04:46:56 AM
QPR v Everton
Fulham v Wolves

So it's bound to be a shit game, but my brother and I have never attended a Premier League game before. Tottenham v ManU would be awesome of course, but it's too late on Sunday to reach our flights home.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on February 07, 2012, 05:20:25 AM
Go to Fulham. Quaint, historic stadium on the river, nice seats. Loftus Rd on the other hand is a terrible stadium - no leg room, in a less interesting part of town.

However, Fulham are playing on the Sunday so don't know if that affects you.





Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on February 07, 2012, 05:26:18 AM
If it was me I'd pick Fulham as well, just to get chance to watch Clint Dempsey playing.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on February 07, 2012, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Warspite on February 05, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
It should not be hard to get QPR or Fulham tickets unless it's a derby game. Have a go via their websites, if you have no luck let me know as I can ask some friends who are fans if they have any ideas. Tottenham / Man Utd will sell out for sure.

This reminds me - my dad out of nowhere has become a big soccer fan (probably because its the one sport he didn't have to cover in his days as a sports reporter), and has chosen Fulham to be his favourite team (almost certainly because him and my mom ran "Fulham Castle Bed and Breakfast" for a number of years on Fulham Ave).

Someone needs to give me some material I can use to belittle Fulham.   :ph34r:

A large number of Fulham fans suddenly became Chelsea FC fans (which is actually closer to Fulham Broadway than Fulham FC is) when Chelsea became good. Beyond that, the statue - which is as bad in real life as it is in that photo.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on February 08, 2012, 02:55:30 PM
Fabio Capello quit.  :huh:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: mongers on February 08, 2012, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 08, 2012, 02:55:30 PM
Fabio Capello quit.  :huh:

He deliberately did this to scupper my 'neighbour's' chance of becoming the next England manager.   :mad:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Barrister on February 08, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 06, 2012, 06:50:21 PM
Quote from: The Larch on February 06, 2012, 06:27:08 PM
And they have a statue of Michael Jackson outside their stadium, because he was a buddy of the club's president, Mohammed Al-Fayed, owner of Harrods and father of Dodi al-Fayed, of Lady Di poshumous fame.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2011%2F04%2F03%2Farticle-1372878-0B7671FB00000578-972_306x423.jpg&hash=9b1f8e17d45b09f49f3d2f9859ebbc590f24f4fe)

Excellent material. :rubshands:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 08, 2012, 04:56:12 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 08, 2012, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 08, 2012, 02:55:30 PM
Fabio Capello quit.  :huh:

He deliberately did this to scupper my 'neighbour's' chance of becoming the next England manager.   :mad:

Mourinho for England boss  :bowler: :bowler:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on February 08, 2012, 05:35:35 PM
I've a feeling Capello was looking for any excuse to leave. Much as I'm an England fan, and have been since I was born the summer they won the World Cup, I'm predicting England to bow out with a 0-3 record in the Euros.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on February 08, 2012, 07:16:18 PM
True, it does make sense for him to leave now over taking a stand than to be kicked out for failing yet again (though wasn't he going to quit post-euro cup anyway?)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 08, 2012, 07:27:27 PM
I remember him saying he was going to leave after the Euros, yeah.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/840428-fabio-capello-will-absolutely-quit-as-england-manager-after-euro-2012

Quote from: Josephus on February 08, 2012, 05:35:35 PM
I've a feeling Capello was looking for any excuse to leave. Much as I'm an England fan, and have been since I was born the summer they won the World Cup, I'm predicting England to bow out with a 0-3 record in the Euros.

I'm inclined to agree. Seems like this argument over Terry is as good an issue as any to leave. Wash his hands clean of the whole ordeal and let his successor deal with it.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on February 09, 2012, 05:10:52 AM
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Hmm, dunno how to make this bigger
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on February 09, 2012, 05:14:18 AM
You FAIL gupta!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on February 09, 2012, 11:52:59 AM
Premier League tickets are freakin' expensive.  :bleeding: :bowler:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 11, 2012, 09:29:48 AM
Liverpool's Carroll is being a douche again.

Edit: A lazy douche.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on February 11, 2012, 09:44:42 AM
:o el jefe watching same game as me, wait watching soccer at all!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 11, 2012, 09:44:47 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtbVWn.jpg&hash=c924dfeae287b695ab08c7e1a604dc189c90296a)

:lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 11, 2012, 09:46:21 AM
Quote from: katmai on February 11, 2012, 09:44:42 AM
:o el jefe watching same game as me, wait watching soccer at all!

SHOCKA
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on February 11, 2012, 10:54:00 AM
Liverpool sucks.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on February 11, 2012, 01:03:43 PM
THIERRY HENRY! THIERRY HENRY! THIERRY HENRY!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on February 11, 2012, 01:46:26 PM
Quote from: Warspite on February 11, 2012, 01:03:43 PM
THIERRY HENRY! THIERRY HENRY! THIERRY HENRY!

:D

Loan is ovah! Back to MLS he comes :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Octavian on February 11, 2012, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 11, 2012, 09:44:42 AM
:o el jefe watching same game as me, wait watching soccer at all!

In many ways Ed Anger has always been the most European of Languish' American posters

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 11, 2012, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: Octavian on February 11, 2012, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 11, 2012, 09:44:42 AM
:o el jefe watching same game as me, wait watching soccer at all!

In many ways Ed Anger has always been the most European of Languish' American posters

YOU TAKE THAT BACK
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 11, 2012, 06:06:59 PM
Quote from: Octavian on February 11, 2012, 05:26:03 PM
In many ways Ed Anger has always been the most European of Languish' American posters

Grumpy and unemployed?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Octavian on February 12, 2012, 10:33:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 11, 2012, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: Octavian on February 11, 2012, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 11, 2012, 09:44:42 AM
:o el jefe watching same game as me, wait watching soccer at all!

In many ways Ed Anger has always been the most European of Languish' American posters

YOU TAKE THAT BACK

:P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 12, 2012, 10:34:23 AM
So hurtful.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on February 12, 2012, 07:17:36 PM
Quote from: Warspite on February 11, 2012, 01:03:43 PM
THIERRY HENRY! THIERRY HENRY! THIERRY HENRY!
<_<
Fecking typical, its old school Sunderland come again.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on February 12, 2012, 08:07:58 PM
HERVE RENARD :wub:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on February 14, 2012, 02:44:35 AM
.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on February 14, 2012, 09:18:33 AM
QuoteLONDON (Reuters) - A Manchester United fan aims to block rival Manchester City's "goals of football domination" by selling off thousands of parcels of a site earmarked by the world's richest club for a 100-million-pound training complex.

Businessman Shaun O'Brien has divided the land at his vehicle recovery company, OB Trucks, near City's Etihad Stadium, into 18,500 square-foot plots for sale in a bid to disrupt a proposed council order to make him sell it.

He was selling the plots for 250 pounds each through website, Unite Against the City, to "ardent Reds and anybody else that feels strongly about our David & Goliath situation," in order to make the club negotiate individually and fairly for each plot, the website said.

The sale had attracted buyers from around the world, including the United States and Spain, since the website went live on February 6, O'Brien told Reuters, declining to reveal the sales figures. "We're very close to fulfilling the 5,000 minimum."

The campaign was "to prevent Manchester City's attempts to acquire our land in Eastlands, Manchester, in order to further their goals of football domination", O'Brien wrote on the website.

Local newspaper Manchester Evening News said O'Brien had refused a one-million-pound offer from City to leave the site, stalling the club's bid to redevelop a run-down, 80-acre plot near their stadium.

O'Brien said City had offered him 200,000 pounds for the land for the past two years, though they had said they would pay another 750,000 pounds for moving and expenses.

"But it's just not enough," he said. "I've been here for 15 years, I had no intention to sell (the land)... As a business who want my land to further their business they should come and sit down, negotiate and we'll hack out a figure, whereas all along they've said we'll give you 200,000 pounds or we'll get the council to CPO you," he said.

A compulsory purchase order has now been issued by Manchester City Council and the club to try to force O'Brien to sell at market value.

Manchester City hold the title of the world's richest club, gained after they were bought by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan of Abu Dhabi three years ago
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on February 14, 2012, 10:09:24 AM
So for the sake of football rivalry he's trying to fuck over regeneration in his city?
Wonderful.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on February 14, 2012, 11:11:53 AM
Rangers gone belly up? Gone into administration
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Syt on February 14, 2012, 11:29:33 AM
According to the chart I should support West Bromwich, I think. :unsure:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on February 14, 2012, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 14, 2012, 10:09:24 AM
So for the sake of football rivalry he's trying to fuck over regeneration in his city?
Wonderful.

It's pretty obvious he's trying to bolster his negotiating position and the anti-Man City spin is simply a bit of marketing where he sells small plots of land at something along the lines of 20 times market value.

It's an absolute con. The Council will be able to CPO the land anyway (albeit with a degree of administrative inconvenience). The compensation they willl have to pay to anyone who ownes a square foot of isolated land will be a nominal sum - a pound maybe since a square foot of land has zero market value.

Fortunately for the owner, it sounds as if Mancs are as gullible as Mackems.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Grey Fox on February 14, 2012, 01:19:32 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 14, 2012, 11:29:33 AM
According to the chart I should support West Bromwich, I think. :unsure:

I should support the Blue Lion on the top left. Chelsea?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on February 14, 2012, 01:21:43 PM
yes.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on February 14, 2012, 01:27:51 PM
i'm the wolf one at the bottom right
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: HVC on February 14, 2012, 01:28:58 PM
also what team is the swimming pope-head sperm?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on February 14, 2012, 01:56:44 PM
The wolf is...well Wolves (Wolverhampton United).

I think the spermy thing is Bolton Wanderers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolton_Wanderers_F.C.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on February 14, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
Wow. I haven't been following things in Glasgow at all, sounds like crazy developments there.

Hopefully this will be the start of the unwinding of the Scottish league and their joining the English league.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on February 14, 2012, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 14, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
Wow. I haven't been following things in Glasgow at all, sounds like crazy developments there.

Hopefully this will be the start of the unwinding of the Scottish league and their joining the English league.


Yeah, Neil would become gay before that ever happens. Scotland would rather have a one-team league than join the perfidious English.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 14, 2012, 07:49:24 PM
As for which team I follow, I just watch what the mothership tells me.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on February 14, 2012, 08:19:37 PM
Quote from: Josephus on February 14, 2012, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 14, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
Wow. I haven't been following things in Glasgow at all, sounds like crazy developments there.

Hopefully this will be the start of the unwinding of the Scottish league and their joining the English league.


Yeah, Neil would become gay before that ever happens. Scotland would rather have a one-team league than join the perfidious English.

I dunno. Some Rangers and Celtic fans would support it, it would really help their teams become actual European competitors....eventually.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Razgovory on February 14, 2012, 08:20:31 PM
Huh.  I just found out that my Grandfather is in the St. Louis Soccer Hall of Fame.  I guess he did a lot stuff.  I just thought of him as a Mailman/criminal.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on February 15, 2012, 04:21:15 AM
Quote from: Josephus on February 14, 2012, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 14, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
Wow. I haven't been following things in Glasgow at all, sounds like crazy developments there.

Hopefully this will be the start of the unwinding of the Scottish league and their joining the English league.


Yeah, Neil would become gay before that ever happens. Scotland would rather have a one-team league than join the perfidious English.

You're kidding. They've been desperate to for years but the English have told them there's no chance. They also tried to set up an Atlantic league with Portugal, Denmark and a few others but that didn't work.

The Scottish League is absolutely terrible. Two big teams who would struggle in the Championship let alone the Prem, a few others who might do OK in League 1 or 2 and nasty secterian fans. We wouldn't touch them with a bargepole.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Syt on February 15, 2012, 07:33:53 AM
Similar in Austria. 10 or so teams, of which only two or three are not horrible. There was a motion once to put some of the South East European teams together to have a competitive league (with, e.g. Croatia, Serbia, Hungary, Austria, Czech Rep. etc.), but UEFA shot it down before this could be substantiated.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 15, 2012, 09:47:44 AM
Somewhat related question: I know this comes up every few years, but how likely is it that the top European teams will form a "super" league amongst themselves?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on February 15, 2012, 09:56:37 AM
For all intents and purposes, there already is the Champions League.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on February 15, 2012, 09:57:14 AM
Quote from: Gups on February 15, 2012, 04:21:15 AM
Quote from: Josephus on February 14, 2012, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 14, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
Wow. I haven't been following things in Glasgow at all, sounds like crazy developments there.

Hopefully this will be the start of the unwinding of the Scottish league and their joining the English league.


Yeah, Neil would become gay before that ever happens. Scotland would rather have a one-team league than join the perfidious English.

You're kidding. They've been desperate to for years but the English have told them there's no chance. They also tried to set up an Atlantic league with Portugal, Denmark and a few others but that didn't work.

The Scottish League is absolutely terrible. Two big teams who would struggle in the Championship let alone the Prem, a few others who might do OK in League 1 or 2 and nasty secterian fans. We wouldn't touch them with a bargepole.

I dunno. Rangers as they stand are only Championship worthy but with their fanbase and the potential to play in the top leagues they could build up a pretty good team and get themselves into the premier.
Likewise some of the smaller teams have decent enough fanbases that with the opportunity the English league offers they could get themselves up to scratch.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on February 15, 2012, 10:42:39 AM
I agree. Both Rangers and Celtic are big clubs with big fanbases. A few years of sky money and the ability the attract players and they'd be challenging for top 4 places.

But what's in it for the English clubs? Two teams woudl have to drop out of the ELP to make space for the Glaswegians. The top 5 or 6 will have more competition for CL places. The costs of policing will go through the roof (remember Rangers in Manchester a few years ago).

No club in the EPL will vote to admit Celtics or Rangers.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Syt on February 15, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
Quote from: Josephus on February 15, 2012, 09:56:37 AM
For all intents and purposes, there already is the Champions League.

Indeed. Long ago, when there were the original cups (Champions Cup, Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup), the UEFA Cup was often the most fun to watch, because it gathered a lot of big teams from all over Europe, and not just one per country. This is basically what the Champions League has become. The Euro League (or whatever the former UEFA Cup is called these days) is basically division 2 in this context.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on February 15, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Arky!  I'm gonna cry after watching this performance tonight.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on February 15, 2012, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 15, 2012, 09:47:44 AM
Somewhat related question: I know this comes up every few years, but how likely is it that the top European teams will form a "super" league amongst themselves?

Highly unlikely IMO, as it'd have to happen totally outside of current UEFA backed leagues and international competitions. Big clubs that put this forward want to have their cake and eat it, but it won't happen.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on February 15, 2012, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 15, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Arky!  I'm gonna cry after watching this performance tonight.

We've all just stopped caring over here. :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on February 15, 2012, 06:24:30 PM
Well i can see why :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 15, 2012, 08:37:54 PM
After watching the UFEA stuff, I just don't care for it that much.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 15, 2012, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 15, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Arky!  I'm gonna cry after watching this performance tonight.

That may have been the worst performance since the 4-3 at Blackburn this season.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on February 15, 2012, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: Gups on February 15, 2012, 10:42:39 AM
I agree. Both Rangers and Celtic are big clubs with big fanbases. A few years of sky money and the ability the attract players and they'd be challenging for top 4 places.

But what's in it for the English clubs? Two teams woudl have to drop out of the ELP to make space for the Glaswegians. The top 5 or 6 will have more competition for CL places. The costs of policing will go through the roof (remember Rangers in Manchester a few years ago).

No club in the EPL will vote to admit Celtics or Rangers.

I'd think the money to be had from pseudo-internationals whenever the Scottish teams visit could be pretty decent.
It'd be another few million potential premier league customers too- perhaps small fry though for the premier who are regularly cracking big foreign countries.

Were it to happen I don't think a team would drop out, they'd just play a year or two with 22 teams then another year or two with 21 then get back to 20, steadily rippling the changes down the league.

Maybe they could be allowed into the Championship first? Those teams....would be a bit more enthusiastic about the gate receipts an international derby would bring. And though somewhat insulted the old firm could console themselves with it meaning just another few years from being one of Europe's big boys.

I don't see it happening sadly, its too late for that, but...a British (isles?) league would be awesome.
If only Wimbledon had moved to Dublin....
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on February 16, 2012, 08:05:58 AM
Aren't there already Welsh teams in the EPL?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on February 16, 2012, 08:14:20 AM
Quote from: The Larch on February 16, 2012, 08:05:58 AM
Aren't there already Welsh teams in the EPL?
Swansea were promoted this season.  I think they're the first.

But I think all of the Welsh teams (like Cardiff and Swansea) were in the English Leagues from the start.  I know Wrexham were at least.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on February 16, 2012, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 16, 2012, 08:14:20 AM
Quote from: The Larch on February 16, 2012, 08:05:58 AM
Aren't there already Welsh teams in the EPL?
Swansea were promoted this season.  I think they're the first.

But I think all of the Welsh teams (like Cardiff and Swansea) were in the English Leagues from the start.  I know Wrexham were at least.

So when were Welsh leagues created, then? I guess than English leagues predate them, if I read you right.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on February 16, 2012, 08:56:23 AM
The Welsh premier league was formed in the early 90s. The biggest Welsh teams are in the English leagues. The semi-pro ones have a choice between the English non-league system and the Welsh Prem League.

It's really difficult to get between north and south Wales so Welsh teams have always played English neighbours.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on February 16, 2012, 09:03:45 AM
Quote from: Gups on February 16, 2012, 08:56:23 AM
The Welsh premier league was formed in the early 90s. The biggest Welsh teams are in the English leagues. The semi-pro ones have a choice between the English non-league system and the Welsh Prem League.

It's really difficult to get between north and south Wales so Welsh teams have always played English neighbours.

Before the 90s all Welsh teams competed in English leagues? I guess that the Scottish league was created roughly at the same time than the English one, though.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on February 16, 2012, 09:13:54 AM
Well it depends how far up the pyramid they were. Amateur teams play in local leagues, based around a town or county or district.

Teams like Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport have played in the full professional leagues in my memory. Onoly Cardiff and Swansea are theer now. Wrexham and Newport are both in the Blue Square prem which at the top of the non-league pyramid and is largely professional. A few other Welsh teams play in lower English leagues.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 25, 2012, 10:38:57 AM
Chelsea-Bolton is boring me. I demand dangerous tackles.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 25, 2012, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 25, 2012, 10:38:57 AM
Chelsea-Bolton is boring me. I demand dangerous tackles.

It's Fox Soccer's CLASH OF GIANTS!!!11
:zzz

Milan and Juve ought to be a better game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on February 25, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
Italian football  :yawn:

But yeah the Chelsea game was quite horrible apart from the end result.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 25, 2012, 04:48:27 PM
Quote from: Tamas on February 25, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
Italian football  :yawn:

Napoli's owner disagrees. http://youtu.be/oNo0Ui2hTt4
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 25, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 25, 2012, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 25, 2012, 10:38:57 AM
Chelsea-Bolton is boring me. I demand dangerous tackles.

It's Fox Soccer's CLASH OF GIANTS!!!11
:zzz


:lol:

I enjoyed Man City's curb stomping of Blackburn.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on February 25, 2012, 05:10:37 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 25, 2012, 04:48:27 PM
Quote from: Tamas on February 25, 2012, 12:35:22 PM
Italian football  :yawn:

Napoli's owner disagrees. http://youtu.be/oNo0Ui2hTt4

The real show in Italian footie is outside the pitch.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 25, 2012, 05:12:21 PM
too greasy.  :yuk:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on February 26, 2012, 10:37:10 AM
:yeah:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 26, 2012, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: Warspite on February 26, 2012, 10:37:10 AM
:yeah:

Saw you on TV:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi42.tinypic.com%2F2nspvo.jpg&hash=e969a2e9a2e7766a36ba6c7da0b8503a9a06e1fd)



Rosicky scored a goal  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 27, 2012, 09:32:54 AM
I'm watching the DVR recording of the Carling cup. Enjoyable. :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on February 27, 2012, 10:00:27 AM
My favourite bit of the Carling Cup final

http://i41.tinypic.com/2wrmdcl.gif (http://i41.tinypic.com/2wrmdcl.gif)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 27, 2012, 12:35:34 PM
I must have lost count of how many times Carroll was all grumpy at the refs. If everytime I took a drink he was whining to the ref, I'd be drunk 25 minutes in.

And Suarez  needs to whiten his teef. Damn dude, Hi-Def does him no favors.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 27, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 27, 2012, 12:35:34 PM
If everytime I took a drink he was whining to the ref, I'd be drunk 25 minutes in.

So just like Carrol then.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 27, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 27, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 27, 2012, 12:35:34 PM
If everytime I took a drink he was whining to the ref, I'd be drunk 25 minutes in.

So just like Carrol then.

I DON'T DRINK.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 27, 2012, 12:54:10 PM
Well then I'm like Carrol. Feel wasted in the morning and shit at soccer.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on February 27, 2012, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 27, 2012, 12:54:10 PM
Well then I'm like Carrol. Feel wasted in the morning and shit at soccer.

BUT HE IS SO TALL.

I giggle everytime some shrimp out works him in the box.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on February 27, 2012, 01:18:46 PM
I'll go to the Fulham - Wolverhampton game on Sunday.  :cool: :bowler:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on February 27, 2012, 01:29:02 PM
Have fun. Leave a bit of time to get there, it's quite a  long (but nice) walk from the tube to the ground.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on February 29, 2012, 04:56:14 PM
USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on February 29, 2012, 08:17:18 PM
That was fun to see.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 03, 2012, 10:16:56 AM
Robin van Persie :wub:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 03, 2012, 12:59:12 PM
The best-selling item on the Arsenal online store right now is the Robin Van Persie tea tray. Guaranteed to carry ten mugs.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 03, 2012, 04:05:40 PM
My friends would look at me weirdly if I brought a van Persie tea tray to practice. I'll just bring my Balotelli fireworks and go-cart instead.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on March 05, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
The Fulham - Wolverhampton game I visited in shitty English weather ended 5-0. Was actually quite fun, but Wolverhampton was terrible.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 05, 2012, 03:27:10 PM
I am jealous: You got to see Clint "American Dream" Dempsey score two goals.  :mad: :cool:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 05, 2012, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: Zanza on March 05, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
The Fulham - Wolverhampton game I visited in shitty English weather ended 5-0. Was actually quite fun, but Wolverhampton was terrible.

I thought of you when looking at the rainstorm through my window. :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on March 05, 2012, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 05, 2012, 03:27:10 PM
I am jealous: You got to see Clint "American Dream" Dempsey score two goals.  :mad: :cool:
He was quite close to scoring a hat trick a couple of times.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on March 05, 2012, 05:30:56 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 05, 2012, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: Zanza on March 05, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
The Fulham - Wolverhampton game I visited in shitty English weather ended 5-0. Was actually quite fun, but Wolverhampton was terrible.

I thought of you when looking at the rainstorm through my window. :D
It was freaking cold too. Too cold to enjoy a beer really. And the coffee and hotdogs in Craven Cottage don't get a recommendation from me either. But at least it was a really fun game and there were some funny Englishmen around us.  :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 06, 2012, 12:04:08 AM
On Sunday the girl I'm seeing came to visit and we had a nice day of football.
Went to see recently relegated into J2 to J1 Kofu play, they won 2-1; their stadium is roofless and it started raining in the second half which sucked. I've said it before, I'll say it again, Japanese football is odd.
Then on Sunday night glory of glories Japanese satelite TV was on some free to watch week for some reason so I got to see the Sunderland-Newcastle game. It ended 1-1 with Newcastle scoring in the final minutes. It feels like a loss. Ugh..... And we had a player sent off after the final whistle and another during the game for something stupid, they're both to be out for a while- and we've Liverpool next then Everton in the cup; we're better than Everton but those are two of our best players we're missing.... I really want to win the cup....
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on March 06, 2012, 12:07:50 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 06, 2012, 12:04:08 AMwe're better than Everton
<_<
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 06, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
Pride is restored, but how vital was that bought Ibrahimovic penalty in the first game now.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 06, 2012, 05:00:22 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 06, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
Pride is restored, but how vital was that bought Ibrahimovic penalty in the first game now.

Good game, they almost snatched it. It's a shame RvP couldn't slot in his chance in the 2nd half. I guess he is human after all.

Milan were pathetic today. I know they were missing some players, but they definitely need a wake-up call.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 07, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
So Leverkusen is out?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on March 07, 2012, 06:20:46 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 07, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
So Leverkusen is out?

Mightily so.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 07, 2012, 06:22:50 PM
I read it was the first time anyone scored five goals since Søren Lerby in '79. I might concede that Messi is a greater player than Lerby. Might.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: mongers on March 07, 2012, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 03, 2012, 12:59:12 PM
The best-selling item on the Arsenal online store right now is the Robin Van Persie tea tray. Guaranteed to carry ten mugs.

:lol:



That has to based on an olde worlde joke.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 07, 2012, 09:22:18 PM
APOEL  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 07, 2012, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 07, 2012, 09:22:18 PM
APOEL  :)

:thumbsup:

And now watching the first of two CONCAF Champions League QF's (LA Galaxy-Toronto FC), (Seattle-Santos Laguna)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 07, 2012, 09:27:05 PM
Yes I am watching LA-Toronto too.  :bowler:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 07, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 07, 2012, 09:27:05 PM
Yes I am watching LA-Toronto too.  :bowler:

heh since I came back home I've been getting up god awful early to watch the EPL games on weekend (They start between 3:30am-7am here in Alaska)
:blush:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 07, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
Yeah the UK lunch time kickoffs are killer. The early games start about sunrise here.

Though it's much worse for you.  :console:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 07, 2012, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 07, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
Yeah the UK lunch time kickoffs are killer. The early games start about sunrise here.

Though it's much worse for you.  :console:

I love them, gives me perfect game watching time!
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 07, 2012, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 07, 2012, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 07, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
Yeah the UK lunch time kickoffs are killer. The early games start about sunrise here.

Though it's much worse for you.  :console:

I love them, gives me perfect game watching time!

Saw this and thought of you.  :D
http://youtu.be/6s7x8UePIgo
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on March 08, 2012, 04:17:50 AM
Getting harder and harder to argue that Messi isn't the greatest of all time.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 08, 2012, 06:21:32 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 07, 2012, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 07, 2012, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 07, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
Yeah the UK lunch time kickoffs are killer. The early games start about sunrise here.

Though it's much worse for you.  :console:

I love them, gives me perfect game watching time!

Saw this and thought of you.  :D
http://youtu.be/6s7x8UePIgo

:lol:
That's the way it is. A pretty important game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 07:23:42 AM
I was at the Toronto game. With 47,000 others. Great atmosphere. Shame about that last goal. Oh well.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 08, 2012, 08:16:20 AM
Quote from: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 07:23:42 AM
I was at the Toronto game. With 47,000 others. Great atmosphere. Shame about that last goal. Oh well.

Yeah I was trying to get down to Seattle for that game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 08, 2012, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 07:23:42 AM
I was at the Toronto game. With 47,000 others. Great atmosphere. Shame about that last goal. Oh well.

Wow. You get that many at American games now? :blink:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 09:04:47 AM
Toronto is in America?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 08, 2012, 09:05:53 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 08, 2012, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 07:23:42 AM
I was at the Toronto game. With 47,000 others. Great atmosphere. Shame about that last goal. Oh well.

Wow. You get that many at American games now? :blink:

Toronto  is 3rd in attendance only passed by Seattle who averages 38,000 and MLS has passed basketball and hockey in avg attendance to only trail Football and Baseball here in States.



Team    Attendance    Capacity    Percent Full    Last Year's Average Attendance
Chicago Fire    14,274    20,000    71.37%    15,814
Chivas USA    14,830    27,000    54.92%    14,575
Colorado Rapids    14,838    18,086    82.04%    13,328
Columbus Crew    12,185    20,455    59.57%    14,641
DC United    15,211    23,865    63.74%    14,531
FC Dallas    12,861    21,193    60.68%    10,815
Houston Dynamo    17,694    25,462    69.49%    17,309
Los Angeles Galaxy    23,335    27,000    86.43%    21,436
New England Revolution    13,222    22,385    59.07%    12,986
New York Red Bulls    19,691    25,189    78.17%    18,441
Philadelphia Union    18,258    18,500    98.69%    19,254
Portland Timbers    18,827    18,627    101.07%    ---
Real Salt Lake    17,594    20,008    87.94%    17,095
San Jose Earthquakes    11,858    10,300    115.13%    9,659
Seattle Sounders    38,495    35,700    107.83%    36,173
Sporting Kansas City    17,810    18,467    96.44%    10,287
Toronto FC    20,267    21,800    92.97%    20,453
Vancouver Whitecaps    20,406    20,500    99.54%    ---
Average    17,870    21,919    81.53%    16,675
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 08, 2012, 09:06:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 09:04:47 AM
Toronto is in America?

No but the Team plays in the American league :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 09:07:04 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2012, 09:06:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 09:04:47 AM
Toronto is in America?

No but the Team plays in the American league :P

LET ME GET MY SHOTS IN.  :mad:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 08, 2012, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 07:23:42 AM
I was at the Toronto game. With 47,000 others. Great atmosphere. Shame about that last goal. Oh well.

Wow. You get that many at American games now? :blink:

Yes but there is an asterix. (And Toronto being in Canada, as an aside.)

Toronto FC holds their games at BMO field which can hold around 21,000 and frequently does. When this game was scheduled back in December the fear was it would be cold, snowy, etc so it was moved to Rogers Centre, a domed stadium used by the baseball team. The capacity is double BMO. There was a fair bit of marketing done and cheap upper level tickets sold to get the 47,000.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Gups on March 08, 2012, 09:43:57 AM
How are average attendances exceeding capacity at some of the clubs?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Viking on March 08, 2012, 09:54:17 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2012, 09:05:53 AM

Toronto  is 3rd in attendance only passed by Seattle who averages 38,000 and MLS has passed basketball and hockey in avg attendance to only trail Football and Baseball here in States.


Those attendance percentages are nice and high. Attendencewise this puts you yanks up there with the dutch league (only without the big stadia in amsterdam and rotterdam). My two questions are

1- TV deals, is there TV money in the american league?
2- Supporters, are the supporters still limited to ethnic minorities? Basically, are whitey and the blacks going to the games?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 08, 2012, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: Gups on March 08, 2012, 09:43:57 AM
How are average attendances exceeding capacity at some of the clubs?

Seattle plays at CenturyLink Field, which is an NFL stadium. I assume it can expand to sell a few more seats.
67,000 came to watch when Manchester United visited last July.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 08, 2012, 11:24:55 AM
Viking- MLS has tv deals with Fox sports and with ESPN, the contracts are ending next year and talk of how much the new deal could be worth since the game is gaining popularity.
I have no idea the breakdown though i did just see the other day for 18-34 year old Latinos it is 2nd only to NFL in popularity.

Funk- Yeah when Seattle first started they set it up for like 22,000 seats and it has been bumped up to close to 40,000 in current configuration.
Both Portland and Vancouver also came in last year and were averaging 19k per game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 08, 2012, 11:28:37 AM
Ooops apparently missed the news. So ESPN and NBC have the tv rights here in US.

QuoteFor the 2012 season, NBC Sports signed a three-year deal with MLS to nationally televise 40 matches per year, primarily on the NBC Sports Network. All NBC telecasts will include pre- and post-game coverage, and NBC intends to promote its games during its other major sporting properties, such as the Olympics.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 08, 2012, 12:43:55 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 08, 2012, 09:54:17 AM
1- TV deals, is there TV money in the american league?

TV money for MLS broadcasting rights is miniscule compared to the big leagues, of course. Kat alluded to the new deal with NBC. As far as I can see the amount is undisclosed, but is rumored to be between $10-$12 million a year for three years. ESPN's current deal of $8.5 million a year runs out in 2014. It seems MLS is trying to use World Cup fever as a way to leverage more money when these deals end in 2014.

Clubs can also sell rights to regional TV broadcasters. LA Galaxy just made a deal with Time Warner for $55 million over ten years.


Quote
2- Supporters, are the supporters still limited to ethnic minorities? Basically, are whitey and the blacks going to the games?

Having never been to an MLS game, I can't honestly say. However, the teams that seem to have the most excited supporters seem to be the two northwest clubs, Seattle Sounders and Portland Timbers, which are populated largely by white folk. When the Sounders play on TV it's basically a sea of white hipsters wearing neon green.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 01:12:26 PM
If anything, in Toronto, the ethnics DON'T come out. They're only interested in teams from their home country. Toronto FC is by and largely supported by Whites of Anglo origin.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on March 08, 2012, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 01:12:26 PM
If anything, in Toronto, the ethnics DON'T come out. They're only interested in teams from their home country. Toronto FC is by and largely supported by Whites of Anglo origin.

Yeah... I don't think immigrants from football culture countries. get into the MLS style teams. I have a buddy who's really into it - he's got season tickets and all - but it's just not the same for me. I care way more about my hometown team in Denmark than I do the Whitecaps.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on March 08, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Kat, are you watching the ManU - Athletic?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 08, 2012, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 01:12:26 PM
If anything, in Toronto, the ethnics DON'T come out. They're only interested in teams from their home country. Toronto FC is by and largely supported by Whites of Anglo origin.

Yeah... I don't think immigrants from football culture countries. get into the MLS style teams. I have a buddy who's really into it - he's got season tickets and all - but it's just not the same for me. I care way more about my hometown team in Denmark than I do the Whitecaps.

To me, and I don't mean this antagonistically, but to me that's your loss. Nothing against supporting your DAnish team, but if you like football, there's nothing wrong with going out and cheering on the Whitecaps either.
When Toronto FC started out here five or six years ago, I was a skeptic. A fan of the big leagues, I didn't think the MLS would measure up. Which it doesn't. But my older brother got seasons tickets and invited me down to a few games and I slowly got into it so that now I've become a diehard and go to 10-15 games (all competitions) a year.  It's all good fun, there's a great atmoshphere. It's not the Serie A or EPL (though I'm sure it measures up against the Danish league) but it's just a lot of fun.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 08, 2012, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: The Larch on March 08, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Kat, are you watching the ManU - Athletic?

I saw it. 3-2 was generous.

Bielsa's Athletic Bilbao :wub:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Jacob on March 08, 2012, 05:45:16 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 05:07:55 PMTo me, and I don't mean this antagonistically, but to me that's your loss. Nothing against supporting your DAnish team, but if you like football, there's nothing wrong with going out and cheering on the Whitecaps either.
When Toronto FC started out here five or six years ago, I was a skeptic. A fan of the big leagues, I didn't think the MLS would measure up. Which it doesn't. But my older brother got seasons tickets and invited me down to a few games and I slowly got into it so that now I've become a diehard and go to 10-15 games (all competitions) a year.  It's all good fun, there's a great atmoshphere. It's not the Serie A or EPL (though I'm sure it measures up against the Danish league) but it's just a lot of fun.

Yeah I think you're probably more or less right.

The reason I'm attached to my Danish team is not that it's a superior quality of football in that league compared to the MLS (it may or may not be), it's a nostalgia thing.

I might end up following your trajectory, though. My buddy got seasons tickets to the Whitecaps, so I expect I'll be seeing a few games with him and get drawn into it.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on March 08, 2012, 06:01:22 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 08, 2012, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: The Larch on March 08, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Kat, are you watching the ManU - Athletic?

I saw it. 3-2 was generous.

Bielsa's Athletic Bilbao :wub:

Yeah, if it wasn't for that dumb penalty at the end United would be toast for the return leg.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 06:44:57 PM
It will be fun Jacob. You'll like it. Try go to the rivalry games ( I think Portland or Seattle? Not sure). Too bad the Whitecaps will suck again this year. :D There's sort of an on-going rivalry with Toronto over the Canadian championship (Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and Edmonton vie in a knockout tournament for the honours).
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 08, 2012, 07:04:45 PM
Quote from: The Larch on March 08, 2012, 06:01:22 PM
Yeah, if it wasn't for that dumb penalty at the end United would be toast for the return leg.

Yes, United got really lucky there.

Athletic simply outplayed United everywhere. They seemed to win most of the 50-50s, they ran hard and fast at United, pressed in groups when needed, and transitioned very quickly once they got the ball back. And they just didn't stop attacking. It wasn't unusual to see six Athletic players in United's box. The passing was exquisite, played very direct without having to hoof the ball up aimlessly.

I've only seen Athletic play one other time, their game earlier this season against Barca at San Mamés, when they played on a lake instead of a field.  :lol: Good stuff all around.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 08, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
QuoteToronto is in America?

I just knew someone would try and pick at that. Even considered writing N.American....but its the American league, not the N.American league. :p

Quote from: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 08, 2012, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 07:23:42 AM
I was at the Toronto game. With 47,000 others. Great atmosphere. Shame about that last goal. Oh well.

Wow. You get that many at American games now? :blink:

Yes but there is an asterix. (And Toronto being in Canada, as an aside.)

Toronto FC holds their games at BMO field which can hold around 21,000 and frequently does. When this game was scheduled back in December the fear was it would be cold, snowy, etc so it was moved to Rogers Centre, a domed stadium used by the baseball team. The capacity is double BMO. There was a fair bit of marketing done and cheap upper level tickets sold to get the 47,000.

So...this was a one off "Lets go see the big game!" event?
As...if they normally fill a stadium of 20,000 but are capable of getting in 40,000 then their stadium is really a bit too small.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 08, 2012, 07:56:00 PM
No, I'd say it was a one-off. Montreal did it about three years ago when they filled Olympic Stadium for a game against a Mexican side, and the feeling was if they could do it, we could.

What happened was that when this game was scheduled in December, many felt that the smaller 21,000 BMO field, an outdoor stadium, would be too cold in Toronto, in early March for a game. Chances are it could snow causing delays, postponements, etc.

So the decision was made to move it to the indoor stadium. Then the challenge was made. It should be noted that these Champions League middle-of-the-week games don't typically draw larger crowds at all. The return match in L.A. will be capped at 7,000 due to L.A's agreement with the stadium, which is on a campus, not to interfere with student parking.  :huh:

As it turned out yesterday was a balmy 16C in Toronto.



PS. It's called Major LEague Soccer not the American League.  ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on March 08, 2012, 08:05:32 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 08, 2012, 07:04:45 PM
Quote from: The Larch on March 08, 2012, 06:01:22 PM
Yeah, if it wasn't for that dumb penalty at the end United would be toast for the return leg.

Yes, United got really lucky there.

Athletic simply outplayed United everywhere. They seemed to win most of the 50-50s, they ran hard and fast at United, pressed in groups when needed, and transitioned very quickly once they got the ball back. And they just didn't stop attacking. It wasn't unusual to see six Athletic players in United's box. The passing was exquisite, played very direct without having to hoof the ball up aimlessly.

I've only seen Athletic play one other time, their game earlier this season against Barca at San Mamés, when they played on a lake instead of a field.  :lol: Good stuff all around.

They're a really exciting team to watch, young, talented and hard working, with probably the best pure striker there has been in Spain for ages. I have high hopes for them this year, surely a CL spot is within reach.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 08:32:06 PM
Speaking of stadiums, they tried to have the Columbus Crew play in Ohio Stadium. But it looked so pathetic when they could only fill a few of the 100,000+ seats. Plus the stadium needed some work, so out they went.

So they built Crew stadium, which is much better venue for soccer. And they had a billionaire backing the construction.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 08, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
Quote from: The Larch on March 08, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Kat, are you watching the ManU - Athletic?

I wish it was on here on channel i get, but alas none of the Europa games are on.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 08, 2012, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: The Larch on March 08, 2012, 08:05:32 PM

They're a really exciting team to watch, young, talented and hard working, with probably the best pure striker there has been in Spain for ages. I have high hopes for them this year, surely a CL spot is within reach.

Yeah that is what I've heard, wish had chance to see them from here.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 08, 2012, 10:25:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2012, 08:32:06 PM
Speaking of stadiums, they tried to have the Columbus Crew play in Ohio Stadium. But it looked so pathetic when they could only fill a few of the 100,000+ seats. Plus the stadium needed some work, so out they went.

So they built Crew stadium, which is much better venue for soccer. And they had a billionaire backing the construction.

A big part of why MLS is finally become profitable in last 8 years is the owners/teams playing in soccer specific stadiums.

Seattle is an anomaly in playing in NFL facility and I know there is worries how the field will hold up this fall as it is home to Sounders (MLS), Seahawks (NFL) and Huskies (NCAAFB).


And yeah Jacob check out Whitecaps if you can, should be fun team to see, I'm part of Sounders FC Alliance.

QuoteThe Sounders FC Alliance was established at the request of minority owner Drew Carey. Based on the fan association at FC Barcelona, members of the Alliance have the ability to vote on the removal of the General Manager and on other team decisions. Season ticket holders become automatic members, while non-season ticket holders may buy into the Alliance for a fee. Membership benefits include voting privileges, an invitation to the annual meeting and other team perks. Members can also be elected to the Sounders FC Alliance Council by receiving at least 25 nominations from other members on an annual basis. The first vote on retaining or replacing Sounders FC General Manager Adrian Hanauer is scheduled to be held in November 2012, following the club's fourth season. Drew Carey is the chairman of the Sounders FC Alliance.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 08, 2012, 11:14:26 PM
The closest MLS teams to me are Houston and Dallas, but I don't feel like driving four hours to see a game and then drive back. I wish there was a closer team.

There is a new NASL (second-tier on the pyramid) team starting its first season here in April. I'll probably go to at least a few games.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on March 09, 2012, 12:28:31 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 08, 2012, 12:43:55 PMHaving never been to an MLS game, I can't honestly say. However, the teams that seem to have the most excited supporters seem to be the two northwest clubs, Seattle Sounders and Portland Timbers, which are populated largely by white folk. When the Sounders play on TV it's basically a sea of white hipsters wearing neon green.  :lol:
:lol:

Interesting.  The impression I've got from US TV and stuff is that football is kind of the hipster sport.  A bit like cycling's become over here.  Is that how it is?  How'd it happen?

Would certainly explain the Pacific Northwest - a NYT football correspondent tweeted that he might have to write a long piece about football in that area which would be interesting.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 09, 2012, 12:08:14 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 09, 2012, 12:28:31 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 08, 2012, 12:43:55 PMHaving never been to an MLS game, I can't honestly say. However, the teams that seem to have the most excited supporters seem to be the two northwest clubs, Seattle Sounders and Portland Timbers, which are populated largely by white folk. When the Sounders play on TV it's basically a sea of white hipsters wearing neon green.  :lol:
:lol:

Interesting.  The impression I've got from US TV and stuff is that football is kind of the hipster sport.  A bit like cycling's become over here.  Is that how it is?  How'd it happen?

I wouldn't go as far to say that soccer is seen as a hipster sport, but it is growing in popularity among demographics associated with hipsters.

Whereas soccer is seen broadly throughout the world as a sport for the urban poor or working classes, it's seen here as a largely suburban, middle-class, predominantly white sport (i.e. soccer moms), with exceptions for certain immigrant communites like first- or second-generation Hispanic-Americans.

In the main, soccer is played by middle- and upper-class kids whose parents have enough money to get them on a club soccer team year after year, which I would say explains some of the the hipster demographic. Add the fact that soccer is much more chic nowadays, and that it's seen as exotically "European", and I think that explains the hipster preoccupation with the sport.

Most kids drop soccer in high school to focus on American football and basketball. Soccer is becoming much more popular now, though, so this is slowly changing. The main problem is that American professional soccer doesn't pay nearly as well as professional football/basketball, so essentially kids grow up playing soccer but switch to other sports when they get older. The growing academy system, which focuses exclusively on developing young talent to feed to the professional leagues, at the expense of the traditional high school/collegiate system, is supposed to change this.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valmy on March 09, 2012, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2012, 11:24:55 AM
I have no idea the breakdown though i did just see the other day for 18-34 year old Latinos it is 2nd only to NFL in popularity.

Well that is shocking.  They sure do not show that by showing up to soccer games.  Maybe they just enjoy thinking about it at home.

Generally following soccer over here is pretty much for hipster white people.  At least that is who is most vocal in their support.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 09, 2012, 09:25:37 PM
I don't see that at all Valmy.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 09, 2012, 09:51:08 PM
Quote
Most kids drop soccer in high school to focus on American football and basketball. Soccer is becoming much more popular now, though, so this is slowly changing. The main problem is that American professional soccer doesn't pay nearly as well as professional football/basketball, so essentially kids grow up playing soccer but switch to other sports when they get older. The growing academy system, which focuses exclusively on developing young talent to feed to the professional leagues, at the expense of the traditional high school/collegiate system, is supposed to change this.
I dunno, I think football is the best option thinking purely in terms of money.
Yeah, the top leagues of American sports pay very well but the amount of positions there are really super limited.
With football meanwhile...there's at a lot of leagues around the world which pay very good money.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 10, 2012, 08:09:19 AM
QPR just got robbed of clear goal, if hockey can have the technology to tell if ball is in net, why can't Soccer?



* I know there are couple of companies working on it, just can't believe there isn't anything in place already.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on March 10, 2012, 08:38:40 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2012, 08:09:19 AM
QPR just got robbed of clear goal, if hockey can have the technology to tell if ball is in net, why can't Soccer?



* I know there are couple of companies working on it, just can't believe there isn't anything in place already.

It's not a matter of availability, it's a matter of FIFA being stubborn bastards in not allowing any of it to be used.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on March 10, 2012, 08:41:47 AM
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Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 10, 2012, 09:22:55 AM
The QPR-Bolton game bores me.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 10, 2012, 09:44:50 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2012, 08:09:19 AM
QPR just got robbed of clear goal, if hockey can have the technology to tell if ball is in net, why can't Soccer?



* I know there are couple of companies working on it, just can't believe there isn't anything in place already.

call me a Luddite, but I'm against it. It works both ways in the end, soemtimes bad calls go against you, sometimes they don't. I'm not against having another linesman behind the net as they do in UEFA games, but I'm no fan of technology having a hand in the game.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 10, 2012, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 10, 2012, 09:44:50 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2012, 08:09:19 AM
QPR just got robbed of clear goal, if hockey can have the technology to tell if ball is in net, why can't Soccer?



* I know there are couple of companies working on it, just can't believe there isn't anything in place already.

call me a Luddite, but I'm against it. It works both ways in the end, soemtimes bad calls go against you, sometimes they don't. I'm not against having another linesman behind the net as they do in UEFA games, but I'm no fan of technology having a hand in the game.

The entire point of the game is to have the ball cross the line, and it is the single greatest thing to be cheated out of if it's not called. There is absolutely no excuse these days for not having technology determines that instantly. Unlike a foul, the ball crossing the line is not a matter of interpretation of the rules.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 10, 2012, 02:29:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 10, 2012, 09:22:55 AM
The QPR-Bolton game bores me.

The second half of Everton-Spurs was fun. I guess the commentator's mics were too close to a certain section of unruly fans. You could hear them hurling expletive-laced insults at the players.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 10, 2012, 02:34:24 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 10, 2012, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 10, 2012, 09:44:50 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2012, 08:09:19 AM
QPR just got robbed of clear goal, if hockey can have the technology to tell if ball is in net, why can't Soccer?



* I know there are couple of companies working on it, just can't believe there isn't anything in place already.

call me a Luddite, but I'm against it. It works both ways in the end, soemtimes bad calls go against you, sometimes they don't. I'm not against having another linesman behind the net as they do in UEFA games, but I'm no fan of technology having a hand in the game.

The entire point of the game is to have the ball cross the line, and it is the single greatest thing to be cheated out of if it's not called. There is absolutely no excuse these days for not having technology determines that instantly. Unlike a foul, the ball crossing the line is not a matter of interpretation of the rules.
Agreed. But it's worked fine for 150 years without it. Yes every now and then you get a bad call (England 2010 v. Germany) but every now and then you get a good call. (Engalnd 1966 v. Germany). It works both ways. It doesn't bother me, the way it is.
Technology only tends to slow down games and remove momentum (see hockey). If you have one ref, two assistants and one behind the goal line, odds are you will catch most issues.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 10, 2012, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 10, 2012, 02:34:24 PM
Agreed. But it's worked fine for 150 years without it.

The game has changed utterly in 150 years. If we had this sort of inertia from the start, we'd not have:
- Substitutions
- The offside law
- Yellow and red cards

QuoteYes every now and then you get a bad call (England 2010 v. Germany) but every now and then you get a good call. (Engalnd 1966 v. Germany). It works both ways. It doesn't bother me, the way it is.

The opinion on the 1966 goal is inconclusive, but the 2010 decision was madness. Bad goal decisions have cost teams unfairly in tight games.

QuoteTechnology only tends to slow down games and remove momentum (see hockey). If you have one ref, two assistants and one behind the goal line, odds are you will catch most issues.

Technology works fine in plenty of sports; goal line technology doesn't even have to stop football matches, you can just request a review of the decision at the next break in play.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 10, 2012, 04:35:09 PM
Why does it need to stop play at all?  Doesn't hockey have a system that reads when the puck crosses the goal mouth and sounds the bell instantly?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 10, 2012, 05:36:21 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 10, 2012, 04:35:09 PM
Why does it need to stop play at all?  Doesn't hockey have a system that reads when the puck crosses the goal mouth and sounds the bell instantly?

No. Or at least I don't think so. There's a guy behind the net who does that.

REgarding Warspite's comment about waiting till there's a break in play. God, no. they do that in hockey. If after, say, five minutes of play the ball goes out and they do a review and decide it's a goal...what happens to that five minutes they just played? Does the clock go back? They don't do that in football. Do they add five minutes at the end? And this doesn't slow the game down?  I can assure you even if technology does come into it, (and it probably will), it won't happen that way. Most likely the ref will call a review there and then. Which makes the best sense.

I accept the agruments in favour...I'm just an old-fashioned Luddite.  ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 10, 2012, 09:50:29 PM
We definitely need goal line detectors yes.
Sure, there are good calls and bad calls, etc.... but....the luck of bad decisions shouldn't be part of the game.
It should be a simple matter to have some wee cameras in the goalposts that tennis style give a little confirmation beep to the ref and linesmen when the ball crosses the line.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on March 11, 2012, 02:41:19 AM
Goal line detection could be instant. If the ball crosses the line, the referee gets a sign via radio. No need to review. It's not like the system would be used very often anyway as most goals are very clear.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 11, 2012, 03:22:37 PM
Watching MLS' first game on the re-branded NBC Sports network. A few points:


Apparently it was free vuvuzela day in Dallas. :bleeding: :bleeding:

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 11, 2012, 03:31:54 PM
I see that L.A. played their full squad pretty much for 90 minutes in a 3-1 loss to Salt Lake. Whcih means they will be tired for the Wednesday game v. Toronto second leg Champions League Q/F game.  :)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 11, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 11, 2012, 03:31:54 PM
I see that L.A. played their full squad pretty much for 90 minutes in a 3-1 loss to Salt Lake. Whcih means they will be tired for the Wednesday game v. Toronto second leg Champions League Q/F game.  :)

I'm guessing Arena doesn't care much about CONCACAF Champions League if he's running his first team out for 90 min two days before the final leg in a quarterfinal tie they're losing.  :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Zanza on March 12, 2012, 10:55:30 AM
Will be interesting to see whether Podolski can keep up his great form with Arsenal. Is Mertesacker any good? He doesn't seem to be a starter for Germany anymore.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 12, 2012, 10:57:13 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 11, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: Josephus on March 11, 2012, 03:31:54 PM
I see that L.A. played their full squad pretty much for 90 minutes in a 3-1 loss to Salt Lake. Whcih means they will be tired for the Wednesday game v. Toronto second leg Champions League Q/F game.  :)

I'm guessing Arena doesn't care much about CONCACAF Champions League if he's running his first team out for 90 min two days before the final leg in a quarterfinal tie they're losing.  :lol:

he does though. In fact he played his first team for the first leg---three days before the season opener. :D
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 12, 2012, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 11, 2012, 03:22:37 PM
Watching MLS' first game on the re-branded NBC Sports network. A few points:



  • The Brit commentator is pretty good.


He was the Commentator for Sounders last year.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 12, 2012, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 11, 2012, 03:22:37 PM
The Brit commentator is pretty good. The American color commentator is not so good, but tolerable. I didn't like him on Fox Soccer, either.

The Brit is doing play by play or color?  They should have a Yank doing play by play and a Yank (or maybe a Kraut) doing color.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: mongers on March 12, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
Weird, several Americans showing real interest and enthusiasm about football, including ed anger :gasp: 

And yet there are several Brits on this forum who're not so interested in our national game.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 02:56:51 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 12, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
Weird, several Americans showing real interest and enthusiasm about football, including ed anger :gasp: 

And yet there are several Brits on this forum who're not so interested in our national game.  :hmm:

Don't get over enthused. I need something to occupy my sports time until September.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: mongers on March 12, 2012, 03:03:10 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 02:56:51 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 12, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
Weird, several Americans showing real interest and enthusiasm about football, including ed anger :gasp: 

And yet there are several Brits on this forum who're not so interested in our national game.  :hmm:

Don't get over enthused. I need something to occupy my sports time until September.

Yeah, I can see that, especially as how you've done procreation to death.   :P
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 12, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
Weird, several Americans showing real interest and enthusiasm about football, including ed anger :gasp: 

I grew up on the game and played it throughout my youth, and watched it back when the only games available were on Spanish-language television or the World Cup.

Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: PDH on March 12, 2012, 05:47:19 PM
Soccer, yes it is soccer, has been one of my "other sports" for quite a while.  I do not like the local team (I shun everything Denverish other than the airport), but have followed such for a while.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
I need a bandwagon to jump on. Before Timmay jumps on it and shits on the floormats.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: katmai on March 12, 2012, 06:33:56 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 12, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
Weird, several Americans showing real interest and enthusiasm about football, including ed anger :gasp: 

I grew up on the game and played it throughout my youth, and watched it back when the only games available were on Spanish-language television or the World Cup.

Yep, I've been playing soccer since I was 6, and remember watching the '82 World Cup.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 07:03:33 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
I need a bandwagon to jump on. Before Timmay jumps on it and shits on the floormats.

Bandwagon team are as follows:

Manchester United
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal

Choose wisely.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: mongers on March 12, 2012, 07:05:10 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
I need a bandwagon to jump on. Before Timmay jumps on it and shits on the floormats.

Yeah, Timmay could kill the onwards march of the Premiership stone dead,
"Up the Arzenalls", "Come on The Red Devils give ManU a thrashing", "Tottingham are bound to beat The Celtics."
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on March 12, 2012, 07:05:36 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 07:03:33 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
I need a bandwagon to jump on. Before Timmay jumps on it and shits on the floormats.

Bandwagon team are as follows:

Manchester United
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal

Choose wisely.

Many of those aren't exactly in great shape at the moment.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 07:06:15 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 07:03:33 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
I need a bandwagon to jump on. Before Timmay jumps on it and shits on the floormats.

Bandwagon team are as follows:

Manchester United
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal

Choose wisely.

No greasy Spaniards.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on March 12, 2012, 07:14:00 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 07:06:15 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 07:03:33 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
I need a bandwagon to jump on. Before Timmay jumps on it and shits on the floormats.

Bandwagon team are as follows:

Manchester United
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal

Choose wisely.

No greasy Spaniards.

Well, the only non Spanish team of that group that is still competing for the Champions League is Chelsea, and they might get kicked out by Napoli this week.  ;)
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 07:18:15 PM
I don't watch those other leagues or that UEFA crap. I watch the English one. I can at least get a chuckle from the shirtless trash in the crowd and understand most of the names on the jerseys.

Except for Andy Carroll. He is a whiny baby.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 12, 2012, 07:22:29 PM
Quote from: Zanza on March 12, 2012, 10:55:30 AM
Will be interesting to see whether Podolski can keep up his great form with Arsenal. Is Mertesacker any good? He doesn't seem to be a starter for Germany anymore.

Mert snapped a ligament on a shitty pitch a few weeks ago, so he's out for the rest of the season. Otherwise, he divides Arsenal fans. i'm in the "he's very good" camp: calm, collected defending. Excellent positioning. He's a continental defender, relying on technical ability rather than PASSION and GRIT!!!oneone.

What is disappointing is that he is not as good in the air as you might hope. Further, he struggles on occasion in a high defensive line. But, with a fit Arsenal team, he's a top class defender when the manager can choose between him, Vermaelen or Koscienly depending on the team you are playing, as he's more of a stopping defender rather than playing cover.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 12, 2012, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 07:03:33 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
I need a bandwagon to jump on. Before Timmay jumps on it and shits on the floormats.

Bandwagon team are as follows:

Manchester United
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal

Choose wisely.

Depends what bandwagon you want:

Man Utd: I'm from southeast Asia and got into football in the mid 1990s.
Barcelona: I heard this Messi guy is quite good, but I don't know who Pele or Cruyff are.
Real Madrid: Di Stefano was better than Messi. OR - I think CR7 is hot
Chelsea: I am an African, and love Drogba.
Liverpool: I started watching football in 1981.
Arsenal: I love beautiful football, but am averse to actually winning things. OR - I moved to London as an investment banker and can afford an executive box at a shiny stadium.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 07:30:27 PM
The mothership (ESPN) wants Americans to watch either Man U or Liverpool. Since they are usually showing one of those teams.

Liverpool is just too hard to watch sometimes. Carroll is a lump of shit, and Suarez has buck yellow teeth (on the HD channel). It is like a tree and a jackass playing together.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 12, 2012, 07:31:27 PM
Fucking hell, I could have been at the game tonight.

Christ, look at the run Vermaelen makes: http://arsenalist.com/video/?id=xpenxj

It's nice to be mugging other teams for a change.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on March 12, 2012, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 12, 2012, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 07:03:33 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
I need a bandwagon to jump on. Before Timmay jumps on it and shits on the floormats.

Bandwagon team are as follows:

Manchester United
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal

Choose wisely.

Depends what bandwagon you want:

Man Utd: I'm from southeast Asia and got into football in the mid 1990s.
Barcelona: I heard this Messi guy is quite good, but I don't know who Pele or Cruyff are.
Real Madrid: Di Stefano was better than Messi. OR - I think CR7 is hot
Chelsea: I am an African, and love Drogba.
Liverpool: I started watching football in 1981.
Arsenal: I love beautiful football, but am averse to actually winning things. OR - I moved to London as an investment banker and can afford an executive box at a shiny stadium.

What about City? Not much of a bandwagon there?
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Warspite on March 12, 2012, 07:49:12 PM
Manchester City: "I'm actually from Manchester"
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 12, 2012, 07:31:27 PM
Fucking hell, I could have been at the game tonight.

Christ, look at the run Vermaelen makes: http://arsenalist.com/video/?id=xpenxj

It's nice to be mugging other teams for a change.

Vermaelen and his bombing runs :wub:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 07:30:27 PM
The mothership (ESPN) wants Americans to watch either Man U or Liverpool. Since they are usually showing one of those teams.

Liverpool is just too hard to watch sometimes. Carroll is a lump of shit, and Suarez has buck yellow teeth (on the HD channel). It is like a tree and a jackass playing together.

Man United = Constantly winning everything = Alabama/Auburn/SEC team
Liverpool = Living in the past = Notre Dame
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2012, 07:30:27 PM
The mothership (ESPN) wants Americans to watch either Man U or Liverpool. Since they are usually showing one of those teams.

Liverpool is just too hard to watch sometimes. Carroll is a lump of shit, and Suarez has buck yellow teeth (on the HD channel). It is like a tree and a jackass playing together.

Man United = Constantly winning everything = Alabama/Auburn/SEC team
Liverpool = Living in the past = Notre Dame

AINT NO WAY I"LL WATCH NOTRE DAME. FUCK YOU BRADY QUINN. WARGHARBL.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 09:00:02 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josephus on March 12, 2012, 09:45:48 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 12, 2012, 06:33:56 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 12, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 12, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
Weird, several Americans showing real interest and enthusiasm about football, including ed anger :gasp: 

I grew up on the game and played it throughout my youth, and watched it back when the only games available were on Spanish-language television or the World Cup.

Yep, I've been playing soccer since I was 6, and remember watching the '82 World Cup.

I remember the 74, though only vaguely (I was six then). The first one I got into was Argentina 78
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 13, 2012, 02:04:34 AM
QuoteMan Utd: I'm from southeast Asia and got into football in the mid 1990s.
Barcelona: I heard this Messi guy is quite good, but I don't know who Pele or Cruyff are.
Real Madrid: Di Stefano was better than Messi. OR - I think CR7 is hot
Chelsea: I am an African, and love Drogba.
Liverpool: I started watching football in 1981.
Arsenal: I love beautiful football, but am averse to actually winning things. OR - I moved to London as an investment banker and can afford an executive box at a shiny stadium.

Also common amongst foreigners.

Leeds: I started watching football in the 70s. Woops.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Sheilbh on March 13, 2012, 02:28:49 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 13, 2012, 02:04:34 AM
Also common amongst foreigners.

Leeds: I started watching football in the 70s. Woops.
Norgy's a Nottingham Forest fan and I've met a couple of others who had a similar problem :lol:

I've started to notice lots of new Spurs fans the last year or so.  You could jump on that bandwagon early-ish and hopefully.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Valdemar on March 13, 2012, 04:01:22 AM
I semi follow Liverpool for the history grit.. and Agger,

I semi follow Arsenal for its fast football, Fabregas, their youth academy, and to a little extend, Bendtner.

I semi follow Aston Villa, because they always seems to get the short end of the stick, and because laursen did so fucking well there before he got perm injuries and retired.

I loath Man C and somewhat chelsea for their cash and what it did for actually BUILDING a team, and from over here Man C is seen as a bandwagon club because ppl. only noticed them when they started buying their way to hte top.

My oldest son follow Man U for their determined, and steady performance, and for Roony and Nani
My youngest follow Liverpool ofr somewhat the same reasons i did, and for Torres when he was there.

They are 12 and 9 ;)

V
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: The Larch on March 13, 2012, 04:03:17 AM
I pity the poor Scandi kids of the mid-90s that were lured into supporting Blackburn Rovers...
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on March 13, 2012, 04:04:30 AM
I started supporting Chelsea when it wasn't cool.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Liep on March 13, 2012, 04:11:42 AM
Quote from: Warspite on March 12, 2012, 07:25:25 PM
Barcelona: I heard this Messi guy is quite good, but I don't know who Pele or Cruyff are.
So you can't support Barcelona if you know who Cruyff is? :p I got on that bandwagon when Laudrup, Koeman, Stoitchov and Romario were the shit.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Josquius on March 13, 2012, 04:41:05 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 13, 2012, 04:04:30 AM
I started supporting Chelsea when it wasn't cool.

Wow.
Before Mr moneybags Chelsea were not just uncool but chronicly uncool, one of the least cool teams in the country.
Title: Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Post by: Tamas on March 13, 2012, 04:46:56 AM