I haven't seen much about it yet, but it is a Bioware product, so...
I have been eagerly following this game for months. It is going to be awesome and I am actually counting down the days. :blush:
It is Baldur's Gate for the next generation.
After strings of games that were merely 'pretty good' I think Bioware has hit the target with this one.
When is it: out?
Quote from: Tamas on October 06, 2009, 08:47:47 AM
When is it: out?
November 3rd. I have a digital copy pre-ordered :nerd:
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2009, 08:46:29 AM
After strings of games that were merely 'pretty good' I think Bioware has hit the target with this one.
:huh: Wasn't Mass Effect a Bioware product? ME was definitely better than "merely 'pretty good'". :)
ME is a Bioware product and I agree that it's better than just "pretty good".
I considered preordering Dragon Age but the official site does more to convince me not to than to encourage me. I hope I'm wrong.
I am looking forward to it, but fully expect it to not satisfy my RPG desires. Mass Effect just wasn't the greatness that others hyped it up to be, even if it was fun.
Also, Jade Empire was definitely better than 'pretty good'. The "evil" ending was the most satisfying CRPG ending ever. :menace:
I'm looking forward to it, but I won't buy it on release :)
Quote from: Winkelried on October 06, 2009, 11:01:07 AM
I considered preordering Dragon Age but the official site does more to convince me not to than to encourage me. I hope I'm wrong.
You are. But go ahead and wait for the positive reviews if you need to be convinced.
It was fun, and they've made some major improvements to it, but the first rule is that I can't talk about it.
Quote from: Neil on October 06, 2009, 01:05:53 PM
It was fun, and they've made some major improvements to it, but the first rule is that I can't talk about it.
I forgot they were a bunch of dentists from Edmonton.
Quote from: Neil on October 06, 2009, 01:05:53 PM
It was fun, and they've made some major improvements to it, but the first rule is that I can't talk about it.
Major improvements, huh? When developers say things like that I always wonder if I should be happy that the end product will be better or worried because it needed major improvements to begin with.
I'd look forward to it, provided my computer returns to life.
I was looking forward to it until I saw the trailers. Now I'll consider getting it after player reviews stating that it doesn't suck ass.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 06, 2009, 05:08:47 PM
I was looking forward to it until I saw the trailers. Now I'll consider getting it after player reviews stating that it doesn't suck ass.
I am curious what exactly in the trailers made you think it is going to suck ass. I have seen most of the trailers so I am not sure what you are babbling about. The gameplay trailers I have seen look pretty good.
Individualized intro stories...NPCs...long story and involved plot written by proven writers...a return to more challenging tactical combat...a branching class tree...
Sounds good to me.
Quote from: Winkelried on October 06, 2009, 03:26:56 PM
Major improvements, huh? When developers say things like that I always wonder if I should be happy that the end product will be better or worried because it needed major improvements to begin with.
If you have any concerns wait around a bit and see what people think about it.
Quote from: Caliga on October 06, 2009, 09:50:28 AM
:huh: Wasn't Mass Effect a Bioware product? ME was definitely better than "merely 'pretty good'". :)
Mass Effect was awesome except the combat was just not as satisfying as BG...the same with KOTOR. To me this looks like a return to what worked in the past.
It has Neil taint on it, so no!
Nah most likely i will pick it up.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2009, 05:30:00 PM
I am curious what exactly in the trailers made you think it is going to suck ass. I have seen most of the trailers so I am not sure what you are babbling about. The gameplay trailers I have seen look pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LdXJLzI9wo&feature=related
This and other trailers don't exactly fill me with confidence that this is going to be the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate rather than something aimed at Xboxtards. Hopefully it's just EA's marketing team
UTTER CRAP.
And Marilyn Manson? Give me a fucking break.
Quote from: Jaron on October 07, 2009, 04:36:42 AM
UTTER CRAP.
And Marilyn Manson? Give me a fucking break.
All I need from you is one simple decision over at AMF. FFS get it done. :ultra:
Quote from: Tamas on October 07, 2009, 04:39:01 AM
Quote from: Jaron on October 07, 2009, 04:36:42 AM
UTTER CRAP.
And Marilyn Manson? Give me a fucking break.
All I need from you is one simple decision over at AMF. FFS get it done. :ultra:
I pass.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 06, 2009, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2009, 05:30:00 PM
I am curious what exactly in the trailers made you think it is going to suck ass. I have seen most of the trailers so I am not sure what you are babbling about. The gameplay trailers I have seen look pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LdXJLzI9wo&feature=related
This and other trailers don't exactly fill me with confidence that this is going to be the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate rather than something aimed at Xboxtards. Hopefully it's just EA's marketing team
It's just the marketing team. Like the crap when Interplay tried to market PS:T as a game where you get to have sex with HOTT demon chicks.
But I am getting it at release so I will let all you know how it is if you need a player review before you get it.
Since the PC version of the game was done awhile back, and we have been waiting for the console version for months, there is even a review of the finished game out there already.
http://gameinformer.com/games/dragon_age_origins/b/pc/archive/2009/10/05/review.aspx
I remember the night that we first got a look at that video. It was poker night, and everybody was pretty unhappy with it. EA Marketing is made out of fail.
I won't be buying it, but I am interested what people will be saying about, esp. Valmy.
anyhow, there are a couple of BG-style (w. isomorphic views and actual hand-drawn maps) PC indy games in the works that have taken 5 years plus to make. but unlike Dragon Age, I don't know if any of them will be ever finished.
Quote from: saskganesh on October 08, 2009, 01:33:28 PM
anyhow, there are a couple of BG-style (w. isomorphic views and actual hand-drawn maps) PC indy games in the works that have taken 5 years plus to make.
Such as?
there's a czech one called Inquisitor (where you torture people as part of the plot) and another one which is fantasy post apocalyptic. can't find my bookmarks atm. I am sure there's more.
Quote from: Caliga on October 06, 2009, 12:07:59 PM
Also, Jade Empire was definitely better than 'pretty good'. The "evil" ending was the most satisfying CRPG ending ever. :menace:
Word yo.
Dragon Age character generator is now available from Bioware for download.
Quote from: Scipio on October 15, 2009, 07:29:15 AM
Dragon Age character generator is now available from Bioware for download.
Awesome, will check it out. :cool:
Quote from: Scipio on October 15, 2009, 07:29:15 AM
Dragon Age character generator is now available from Bioware for download.
Yeah I have been nerding it up with that the past couple days :nerd:
Man I cannot wait for this game.
Quote from: Scipio on October 15, 2009, 07:29:15 AM
Dragon Age character generator is now available from Bioware for download.
And you can't link it?
Quote from: Jaron on October 15, 2009, 08:32:05 AM
Quote from: Scipio on October 15, 2009, 07:29:15 AM
Dragon Age character generator is now available from Bioware for download.
And you can't link it?
You are such a little girl, JayRon.
http://blog.bioware.com/2009/10/13/character-creator-and-the-bioware-social-network/
Quote from: saskganesh on October 08, 2009, 02:35:03 PM
... and another one which is fantasy post apocalyptic. can't find my bookmarks atm. I am sure there's more.
ah, Age of Decadence. it's 3D rendered but has the top down view. www.irontowerstudio.com
Preordered Collector's Edition on the strength of the character creator. I am a Bioware whore. :(
I got a non-CE digital download so I can get it ASAP :blush:
I wonder if I can download it at 12:01 AM on November 3rd...
This looks tempting. I havent played a game like this since BG.
I was good at making hot toons in WoW, but I suck when you give me too much control like this.
I can never decide if slightly higher or lower cheekbones is better!
My character always ends up looking...not quite right.
As long as there is a boob size slider for chicks, I'm good.
Quote from: Caliga on October 15, 2009, 03:40:48 PM
As long as there is a boob size slider for chicks, I'm good.
You can only change the head not the body size :(
Quote from: Berkut on October 15, 2009, 03:26:52 PM
I was good at making hot toons in WoW, but I suck when you give me too much control like this.
I can never decide if slightly higher or lower cheekbones is better!
My character always ends up looking...not quite right.
Or trying to do the make-up. Man how am I supposed to know what shade of eyeshadow a woman should wear? Like I ever noticed that before :P
I had to ask my wife for advice :blush:
I'm pre-ordered :cool: Hopefully my wife won't like this as much as BG2... I'll try to hide it from her as long as i can :lol:
Quote from: saskganesh on October 15, 2009, 10:09:53 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on October 08, 2009, 02:35:03 PM
... and another one which is fantasy post apocalyptic. can't find my bookmarks atm. I am sure there's more.
ah, Age of Decadence. it's 3D rendered but has the top down view. www.irontowerstudio.com
Definitely qualifies for the "years in the making" label! :lol:
I must admit, it does look kinda cool. Maybe the NMAtards will flock to it when it is released and get their tears and snot off the Fallout 3 boards.
I really want this game to not suck. :(
Quote from: Habbaku on October 15, 2009, 08:47:12 PM
I really want this game to not suck. :(
I am kind of nervous at this point - my expectations are probably much higher than they ought to be.
I played around with the character generator and it seems kinda neat. The trailer they tacked on at the beginning was nothing special though. I guess I am really tired of the fantasy genre as every game seems to be thematically identical to me now...
Quote from: Caliga on October 15, 2009, 03:40:48 PM
As long as there is a boob size slider for chicks, I'm good.
Sould Calibur 4 lets you adjust curves and muscle mass of female characters you generate.
Laptop should be able to run this btw, so I'll re-preorder.
Quote from: Caliga on October 15, 2009, 09:10:37 PM
I played around with the character generator and it seems kinda neat. The trailer they tacked on at the beginning was nothing special though. I guess I am really tired of the fantasy genre as every game seems to be thematically identical to me now...
I liked the plot part of it...it is not exactly a new story but I like it. The actiony parts of the trailers are rather meh but everytime I see something showing the actual game instead of some sort of cinematic combat stuff I really like it.
Here's a 20min~ gameplay video: http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-dragon-age-origins/17-1477/
Quote from: Kleves on October 16, 2009, 04:02:06 PM
Here's a 20min~ gameplay video: http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-dragon-age-origins/17-1477/
Reeks of MMORPGR. Looks better than I anticipated.
Quote from: Kleves on October 16, 2009, 04:02:06 PM
Here's a 20min~ gameplay video: http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-dragon-age-origins/17-1477/
Yeah, this is the video that convinced me it might be really good
The story in the game actually seems quite interesting
City Elf story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kh6RzaHPVI
Dwarf noble and commoner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCoKq6PI3WM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS2pAvntfms
Don't understand why they were only showing cgi bullshit before
Quote from: Scipio on October 17, 2009, 06:44:21 AM
Reeks of MMORPGR.
I get everything but the last 'R'.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 17, 2009, 07:40:14 AM
Quote from: Kleves on October 16, 2009, 04:02:06 PM
Here's a 20min~ gameplay video: http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-dragon-age-origins/17-1477/
Yeah, this is the video that convinced me it might be really good
The story in the game actually seems quite interesting
City Elf story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kh6RzaHPVI
Dwarf noble and commoner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCoKq6PI3WM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS2pAvntfms
Don't understand why they were only showing cgi bullshit before
Nice, though the blood spatter should wear off a bit quicker for artistic reasons, I guess. :D
Quote from: Kleves on October 17, 2009, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Scipio on October 17, 2009, 06:44:21 AM
Reeks of MMORPGR.
I get everything but the last 'R'.
Sorry. I'm a follower of Zero Punctuation, and he pronounces MMORPG as "memmorpegger". So I just threw in that extra R.
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System Requirements
* OS: Windows Vista with SP1
* CPU: Intel Core 2 (or equivalent) running at 1.6Ghz or greater
* AMD X2 (or equivalent) running at 2.2GHZ or greater
* RAM: 1.5 GB or more
* Video: ATI Radeon X1550 256MB or greater
* NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT 256MB or greater
* DVD ROM (Physical copy)
* 20 GB HD space
I meet the absolute minimum requirements. :lol:
20 gigs is huge though. I may have to buy an external hard drive to make room for this.
I dunno, I have a hard time caring. I'm kind of tired of fantasy RPGs, at least fantasy that's Tolkien. Why not Jade empire 2?
This does actually look pretty good.
But the guys doing the talking both need to die in a fire.
After watching the City Elf tube, I'm pretty much hooked.
For once they have the balls to bring some originality to the table.
Keeping my fingers crossed for another story on the level of Planescape torment. :)
The only thing that bothers me is the way they're selling it. Depending on what store you buy it from or who you preorder from you get several different exclusive items that people with other version don't get. Hopefully since it has an editor someone will rip all the items out and distribute them as a mod soon after release.
They're also releasing the first mission pack on release day for $7. I wish they would just release a proper full expansion in say six months instead of this Xbox Live style crap.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 18, 2009, 03:41:14 PM
The only thing that bothers me is the way they're selling it. Depending on what store you buy it from or who you preorder from you get several different exclusive items that people with other version don't get. Hopefully since it has an editor someone will rip all the items out and distribute them as a mod soon after release.
They're also releasing the first mission pack on release day for $7. I wish they would just release a proper full expansion in say six months instead of this Xbox Live style crap.
The exclusive items and units are generally pointless fluff anyway.
Releasing a "mission pack" is hilarity though.
I wonder if in a few years we'll be paying $0.50 extra for stuff like colour over black and white.
Oblivion on the 360 charged people money for a set of pretty armor for your horse. :lol:
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 18, 2009, 03:57:39 PM
Oblivion on the 360 charged people money for a set of pretty armor for your horse. :lol:
Yeah, I noticed you can get the blood spatter effect from Dragon Age on your Armour in Mass Effect if you pre order or something like that.
It's getting ridonkulous.
Quote from: Faeelin on October 18, 2009, 03:04:12 PM
I dunno, I have a hard time caring. I'm kind of tired of fantasy RPGs, at least fantasy that's Tolkien. Why not Jade empire 2?
Because nobody bought Jade Empire.
Quote from: Slargos on October 18, 2009, 03:11:38 PM
After watching the City Elf tube, I'm pretty much hooked.
For once they have the balls to bring some originality to the table.
Yeah. They really put a lot of work into the setting. I remember going over a 40-page document of history, demographics, cultural information and other background, before I got married. It's amazing how long it's been in development.
I want to like this, but I am not sure if I want to pause the game as much as seems necessary. I think I have moved from the Gottahaveit camp to the Letsseewhatpeoplesay camp.
Quote from: grumbler on October 18, 2009, 10:12:57 PM
I want to like this, but I am not sure if I want to pause the game as much as seems necessary. I think I have moved from the Gottahaveit camp to the Letsseewhatpeoplesay camp.
What level of pausing do you deem too much? Just let me know once I get the game and I will let you know roughly what to expect if it is at a BG2 level or above.
Quote from: Valmy on October 18, 2009, 10:24:14 PM
What level of pausing do you deem too much? Just let me know once I get the game and I will let you know roughly what to expect if it is at a BG2 level or above.
The level we saw in the playthrough (so much that it breaks immersion) is too much. If I have to pause every few seconds in a fight to see who needs a healing potion or spell, I will pass on the game (unless combat is so rare that the pause-happiness of combat is tolerable).
Quote from: grumbler on October 19, 2009, 09:26:09 AM
The level we saw in the playthrough (so much that it breaks immersion) is too much. If I have to pause every few seconds in a fight to see who needs a healing potion or spell, I will pass on the game (unless combat is so rare that the pause-happiness of combat is tolerable).
Alright I will let you know how it plays.
I like to pause a lot and often. Did that in BG, did that in KotOR. So I don't mind this. I'd be more worried if there were not enough pausing options.
If the game is designed to need frequent pauses then I am less interested.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 19, 2009, 10:45:44 AM
If the game is designed to need frequent pauses then I am less interested.
Did you not enjoy KOTOR or BG2? Those games required you to pause from time to time. I guess if you have never liked Bioware games I wonder why you would be interested in the first place.
I am in the pause happy camp. All we need now are some hexes.
Quote from: Valmy on October 19, 2009, 10:48:18 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 19, 2009, 10:45:44 AM
If the game is designed to need frequent pauses then I am less interested.
Did you not enjoy KOTOR or BG2? Those games required you to pause from time to time. I guess if you have never liked Bioware games I wonder why you would be interested in the first place.
I played the first BG and I tried my best not to pause at all. I havent played KOTOR or BG2.
If what you are saying is that I need to pause a bunch in order to make the appropriate actions then I guess I will pass on this.
Turnbased RPG is superior.
BG level of "pausing" was a great compromise between realtime and turnbased.
Quote from: Syt on October 19, 2009, 10:42:01 AMI'd be more worried if there were not enough pausing options.
Indeed. If frequent pausing to issue orders and micromanage my party is needed I'm very happy.
I think I remember reading there is even an auto pause option but am not sure.
I guess it will also depend on how good the AI for your team mates is. If they act well enough all by themselves (or if you can give them detailed enough standing orders for what to do in a fight) that you can focus on what your main char does during combat, or that you don't have to micromanage too much then it would also go a long way - though it has the danger that combat is on autopilot and you don't have to do anything.
Quote from: Syt on October 19, 2009, 11:43:31 AM
I guess it will also depend on how good the AI for your team mates is. If they act well enough all by themselves (or if you can give them detailed enough standing orders for what to do in a fight) that you can focus on what your main char does during combat, or that you don't have to micromanage too much then it would also go a long way - though it has the danger that combat is on autopilot and you don't have to do anything.
I would rather have good AI or the ability to preset reactions then having to pause everytime something happens. Ideally I would love AI for NPCs that makes them react according to their personality (ie minsc always charges in bravely).
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 19, 2009, 11:52:55 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 19, 2009, 11:43:31 AM
I guess it will also depend on how good the AI for your team mates is. If they act well enough all by themselves (or if you can give them detailed enough standing orders for what to do in a fight) that you can focus on what your main char does during combat, or that you don't have to micromanage too much then it would also go a long way - though it has the danger that combat is on autopilot and you don't have to do anything.
I would rather have good AI or the ability to preset reactions then having to pause everytime something happens. Ideally I would love AI for NPCs that makes them react according to their personality (ie minsc always charges in bravely).
Agreed. If the AI isn't even good enough to prevent NPCs from dying while having healing potions available, that doesn't bode well for the competence of the designers in other areas. Ideally, as you say, this would be a role-playing RPG (ie where you are in the role of the character, not in the role of someone playing a computer game).
The game is 360/PS3 as well so they must have figured out some solution for people that don't want to micromanage. The console version doesn't even have a BG/NWN style bird's eye tactical view option like the PC does.
the BG design was open for lots of pauses or very few. ymmv.
Quote from: Slargos on October 19, 2009, 11:17:28 AM
Turnbased RPG is superior.
BG level of "pausing" was a great compromise between realtime and turnbased.
:yes: I am definitely in the pause-happy camp as well. I tend to micromanage RPG combat quite a bit and the style of pausing that BG introduced (I think?) works perfectly for me.
The party characters in BG/NWN would happily drink potions if low on health, cast buffs or offensive magic, switch between ranged and melee weapons, etc all on their own if you wanted them too. I preferred to turn it off, but the option was there. It should be even more advanced in this if you want it.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 19, 2009, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 19, 2009, 11:17:28 AM
Turnbased RPG is superior.
BG level of "pausing" was a great compromise between realtime and turnbased.
:yes: I am definitely in the pause-happy camp as well. I tend to micromanage RPG combat quite a bit and the style of pausing that BG introduced (I think?) works perfectly for me.
Yeah.
I will admit it was a LONG time since I played BG, but I seem to recall it had markers for almost any event in combat, and that way you can basically set up your own scheme for what's necessary to break for which should probably please everyone.
In this day and age, there is in addition no excuse for a sloppily written AI so I am comfortable in my assumption that it will be possible to play without pausing at all. In the vid you can see they have several different ways to tweak the behaviour of the followers so I think they've got all bases covered.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 19, 2009, 11:04:56 AM
If what you are saying is that I need to pause a bunch in order to make the appropriate actions then I guess I will pass on this.
How would I know that? I do not even have the game yet. I was just saying I do not expect to be pausing that much more than I normally do in a Bioware game (obviously Mass Effect and Jade Empire excepted since you only controlled one PC in those games).
I was just wondering how a Bioware fan could be so against pause and play gameplay since that is all they do.
In BG and KOTOR you did not HAVE to pause alot but I did since I love to micro-manage and order every detail of my squads tactics.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 19, 2009, 02:07:52 PM
The party characters in BG/NWN would happily drink potions if low on health, cast buffs or offensive magic, switch between ranged and melee weapons, etc all on their own if you wanted them too. I preferred to turn it off, but the option was there. It should be even more advanced in this if you want it.
That's what I am hoping for. I don't mind the
option to pause and micromanage, it is the apparent (effective)
requirement to pause and micromanage that concerns me. If the playthrough was so pause-happy because the player turned off the AI so he could micromanage, then I still have hope.
Quote from: Valmy on October 19, 2009, 02:22:49 PM
... in a Bioware game (obviously Mass Effect and Jade Empire excepted since you only controlled one PC in those games).
I was just wondering how a Bioware fan could be so against pause and play gameplay since that is all they do.
You answered your question before you asked it; because pause and play isn't all that Bioware does. They do "RPGs" as well.
Quote from: grumbler on October 19, 2009, 02:57:23 PM
You answered your question before you asked it; because pause and play isn't all that Bioware does. They do "RPGs" as well.
I still paused and played in Mass Effect...I do not really remember Jade Empire that much since my X-Box died rather early on it.3
Sorta funny you call those two real RPGs since there are probably a billion flame wars about how they are not really RPGs because of the action elements. I am not sure what sort of games BG and KOTOR and Mass Effect were but I like them.
Here's a bit about the combat from here:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/dragon-age-origins-hands-on_6?page=1
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When it does eventually reveal itself in full, Dragon Age proves to be a flexible RPG that accommodates a wide range of playing styles. Baldur's Gate veterans will be happy pulling the camera back to a top-down view, pausing the action with the space bar and micro-managing the party's actions and placement in a quasi-turn-based mode. World of Warcraft players might prefer to zoom in close, let AI take care of party behaviour and punch out skills in real time, flicking between characters for variety. It's perfectly possible to smash through the game in this way on easy mode (the difficulty can be adjusted at any time) without ever hitting pause or needing to think, but even the normal setting is a significant step up that will require the occasional moment of reflection.
Or you could choose to do this reflection in advance - if that's not an oxymoron - by using Tactics. Tactics are a smart lift from, of all things, Final Fantasy XII. They are a version of that game's Gambits, a brilliant system of programmable rules for party behaviour that had the potential to revolutionise the single-player party RPG, but that we'd given up hope of ever seeing again after Square Enix dropped it. Happily, BioWare has had the good sense to revive it.
The gambit system from FF12 did a good job of taking care of combat for the player. You could program in up to a dozen conditional commands that the characters would follow all on their own if you were not manually issuing them one.
hm, it's awfully tempting
Bit confused about this tactics stuff. Are they just bragging that they have selectable scripts for characters, just as baldur's gate did?
The idea that I will be able to pretend I am playing an isometric 2D game is very exciting.
Quote from: Lettow77 on October 19, 2009, 04:29:15 PM
Bit confused about this tactics stuff. Are they just bragging that they have selectable scripts for characters, just as baldur's gate did?
If it is really like the FF12 gambit system then it is not like BG script selection. In FF12 you could program each character with a set of ordered instructions that they would carry out in absence of player commands. For example
If ally dead cast revive
If ally is less then 50%hp(or 70%, or 30%) cast heal
Cast haste/protect/other buff on ally
Cast slow or other debuff on enemy
If Enemy is weak against fire, cast fire spell
Attack Enemy
The program would start at the top, reviving, healing, and buffing party members, debuffing enemies, casting spells they were weak against, and if none of those applies doing a standard attack. All of this could be programed in any order or combination you wanted.
Quote from: Cerr on October 19, 2009, 03:16:35 PM
Here's a bit about the combat from here:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/dragon-age-origins-hands-on_6?page=1
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When it does eventually reveal itself in full, Dragon Age proves to be a flexible RPG that accommodates a wide range of playing styles. Baldur's Gate veterans will be happy pulling the camera back to a top-down view, pausing the action with the space bar and micro-managing the party's actions and placement in a quasi-turn-based mode. World of Warcraft players might prefer to zoom in close, let AI take care of party behaviour and punch out skills in real time, flicking between characters for variety. It's perfectly possible to smash through the game in this way on easy mode (the difficulty can be adjusted at any time) without ever hitting pause or needing to think, but even the normal setting is a significant step up that will require the occasional moment of reflection.
Or you could choose to do this reflection in advance - if that's not an oxymoron - by using Tactics. Tactics are a smart lift from, of all things, Final Fantasy XII. They are a version of that game's Gambits, a brilliant system of programmable rules for party behaviour that had the potential to revolutionise the single-player party RPG, but that we'd given up hope of ever seeing again after Square Enix dropped it. Happily, BioWare has had the good sense to revive it.
Excellent-sounding stuff. If this works in practice, that pretty much retires my main concern. Team-based combat where the player successively plays each player pretty much reached its acme with
Jagged Alliance 2. I have very little interest in playing this type of game again (and if I did I still have JA2).
I agree. I am much more excited about this game now.
Alright, I just pre-ordered it on Steam, the Deluxe edition. It comes with the DLC already included, so if they seel it for 10$ like ME1, I only paid about 5$ more the game itself with the little gizmos.
If it's bad, I'll blame Neil.
I am actually jonesin' for this.
http://www.dragonagejourneys.com/
Turn based flash rpg where you can earn items for the actual game.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 22, 2009, 11:44:54 PM
http://www.dragonagejourneys.com/
Turn based flash rpg where you can earn items for the actual game.
Excellent.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 22, 2009, 11:44:54 PM
where you can earn items for the actual game.
how does this work exactly?
Is this game out yet?
Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2009, 04:28:19 AM
Is this game out yet?
:yes:
:p
no not out for another 10 days or so.
I can pre-order on Steam but I don't exactly see the point of that.
Quote from: viper37 on October 23, 2009, 03:25:03 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 22, 2009, 11:44:54 PM
where you can earn items for the actual game.
how does this work exactly?
I don't know. Would like to know how this and other exclusive items work.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 24, 2009, 05:58:19 AM
Quote from: viper37 on October 23, 2009, 03:25:03 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 22, 2009, 11:44:54 PM
where you can earn items for the actual game.
how does this work exactly?
I don't know. Would like to know how this and other exclusive items work.
It's tied into your EA/Bioware account. You login in the flash game with your EA/Bioware account, and it records your progress.
All I can tell you guys is this game is going to suck hard.
Quote from: Scipio on October 24, 2009, 07:42:54 AM
It's tied into your EA/Bioware account. You login in the flash game with your EA/Bioware account, and it records your progress.
I know that part, but how does it work in game? Do you just start with the items on your n00b character at the very beginning of Dragon Age?
Tried the Character generator last night and the customization looked good. The skills looked interesting. Now we just need some reports on how it plays.
I want this.
GoGamer.com shipped my CE last night.
Should I preorder? :unsure:
Quote from: Tamas on October 31, 2009, 10:35:10 AM
Should I preorder? :unsure:
I did with a digital download.
I like the cloth map that comes with the boxed collector's edition but I don't think I'll bother. I'll just pick up a regular boxed edition next week.
As far as I can tell preordering just gets you The Memory Band, which adds +1% experience and 1 skill point, and also one other preorder item that changes based on what store you buy from.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 31, 2009, 11:18:55 AM
As far as I can tell preordering just gets you The Memory Band, which adds +1% experience and 1 skill point, and also one other preorder item that changes based on what store you buy from.
For the normal version yeah, if you get CE you get the two DLC addons that they will be charging $22 in total for iirc included...well after checking it is one of the two DLC's and a few in game items as well
Quote# Bergen's Honor: A massive helmet made out of dragonbone (+2 to armor, +25 physical resistance, +6 to attack)
# Grimoire of the Frozen Wates: A special book that adds +3 to all attributes when read
# Final Reason: A magical staff of immense power (adds to damage, spell power, and fire damage)
The first DLC, The Stone Prisoner, you get free with any new copy of Dragon Age regardless of pre order or version.
The second DLC which is $7, you only get with the Digital Collector's Edition, with the boxed version you do not get this, you get a cloth map instead. I think this will be the same even if you don't preorder, the map and DLC being the bonus you get for buying the CE instead of normal.
I need to get a faster computer so I can run this.
:mad:
Not released in this country until next thursday. Fuckers are begging me to pirate it.
:mad:
Quote from: Zanza on October 31, 2009, 12:27:42 PM
I need to get a faster computer so I can run this.
My main problem is making enough room to play it. My hard drive is only 80 gigs, and this game takes up 20 :cry:
I have an extra 1TB hard drive sitting here on my desk.
80gigs?
good god man, you poor schlub.
My calculator has more dan dis.
Quote from: katmai on October 31, 2009, 07:52:21 PM
80gigs?
good god man, you poor schlub.
I
think If I delete NWN2 and all the expansion packs, and my various mods and demos I have on Steam, I might be able to free up enough space for Dragon Age. I already removed L4D, which gave up nearly 6 gigs, but there are some tough choices to make now.
I think I'm going to look in to portable hard drives.
I won't comment on my 1.2 TB of HD's then (though it's really only 880gb of free space :P )
Quote from: katmai on November 01, 2009, 12:21:35 AM
I won't comment on my 1.2 TB of HD's then (though it's really only 880gb of free space :P )
:grr:
I need a new computer :P
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 31, 2009, 02:52:37 PMMy main problem is making enough room to play it. My hard drive is only 80 gigs, and this game takes up 20 :cry:
I only have a laptop at the moment and the GPU is not up to this. It just barely fulfills the minimum requirements, so I guess it won't work in a reasonable way.
So Direct2drive is letting me pre-load starting later today, so i can start playing early on tue. :w00t:
Quote from: katmai on November 01, 2009, 03:42:06 AM
So Direct2drive is letting me pre-load starting later today, so i can start playing early on tue. :w00t:
:w00t:
Serious question: Can I delete HL2 from Steam without it affecting TF2 or CounterStrike? I really need the space it's taking up for Dragon Age.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 01, 2009, 06:29:52 AM
Serious question: Can I delete HL2 from Steam without it affecting TF2 or CounterStrike? I really need the space it's taking up for Dragon Age.
Yeah fairly sure that they're standalone games.
Worst case scenario, you might need to download some additional Source files after deleting HL2 but I doubt it.
for some reason I got an error message when I tried to buy from D2D so I pre-ordered from steam instead.
20 gigs is a bit much.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 01, 2009, 06:29:52 AM
Serious question: Can I delete HL2 from Steam without it affecting TF2 or CounterStrike? I really need the space it's taking up for Dragon Age.
TF2 is standalone. I don't have HL2 and TF2 is fine.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 01, 2009, 12:43:54 AM
Quote from: katmai on November 01, 2009, 12:21:35 AM
I won't comment on my 1.2 TB of HD's then (though it's really only 880gb of free space :P )
:grr:
I need a new computer :P
I'm thinking the same thing. I only have a 80gb hd and my processor and graphics card are not up to snuff. Downloaded the character creator and the graphics were messed up.
90 gigs here. I beat DP at least.
Lol so the download is 7 gigs, will be done sometime over night.
Quote from: Cecil on October 31, 2009, 02:37:19 PM
:mad:
Not released in this country until next thursday. Fuckers are begging me to pirate it.
:mad:
Over here, games are often available months after they have been released in the major markets :weep:
Would it be cruel to point out I have 10GB of RAM alone, not to mention my 750GB of harddrive memory? :unsure:
Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2009, 01:18:06 AM
Would it be cruel to point out I have 10GB of RAM alone, not to mention my 750GB of harddrive memory? :unsure:
It would be something a Mac person would do.
Quote from: katmai on November 02, 2009, 01:20:29 AM
Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2009, 01:18:06 AM
Would it be cruel to point out I have 10GB of RAM alone, not to mention my 750GB of harddrive memory? :unsure:
It would be something a Mac person would do.
So is that a yes or a no? :unsure:
Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2009, 01:24:38 AM
Quote from: katmai on November 02, 2009, 01:20:29 AM
Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2009, 01:18:06 AM
Would it be cruel to point out I have 10GB of RAM alone, not to mention my 750GB of harddrive memory? :unsure:
It would be something a Mac person would do.
So is that a yes or a no? :unsure:
It is a yes :weep:
Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2009, 01:18:06 AM
Would it be cruel to point out I have 10GB of RAM alone, not to mention my 750GB of harddrive memory? :unsure:
Not at all. I have 12 gigs of RAM, and a Terabyte of hard drive.
I've got a rock.
Quote from: Faeelin on November 02, 2009, 08:55:09 AM
Not at all. I have 12 gigs of RAM, and a Terabyte of hard drive.
And how big are you with that? Btw, did you ever post a picture? We are curious.
G.
I have 1.21 Gigowatts of RAM and 1 MILLION DOLLARS worth of HDD space.
Grallon, check out the halloween costumes thread.
Quote from: Monoriu on November 02, 2009, 01:17:38 AM
Quote from: Cecil on October 31, 2009, 02:37:19 PM
:mad:
Not released in this country until next thursday. Fuckers are begging me to pirate it.
:mad:
Over here, games are often available months after they have been released in the major markets :weep:
Here PC games are normally released the same time as in the US. The website for the store I buy most of my games in says they'll have it on the 3rd, for $20. I'll pick it up this weekend.
Is the game purely solo, or could I play it cooperatively on the home network?
Quote from: Lndhand on November 02, 2009, 10:02:23 AM
Is the game purely solo, or could I play it cooperatively on the home network?
This game is like Jade Empire or KOTOR and thus will be purely solo.
I think this is largely because the co-op mode for the Infinity Engine games was never popular enough to justify the resources.
I have to laugh a bit at the competition of your HD sizes. Since when did HD size matter beyond your capability to store crap on it? Its the speed of the HD thats important.
Quote from: Valmy on November 02, 2009, 10:32:46 AM
Quote from: Lndhand on November 02, 2009, 10:02:23 AM
Is the game purely solo, or could I play it cooperatively on the home network?
This game is like Jade Empire or KOTOR and thus will be purely solo.
I think this is largely because the co-op mode for the Infinity Engine games was never popular enough to justify the resources.
Thanks! I think I am still buying it -- looks fun.
Quote from: Cecil on November 02, 2009, 10:37:42 AM
I have to laugh a bit at the competition of your HD sizes. Since when did HD size matter beyond your capability to store crap on it? Its the speed of the HD thats important.
Pfft. With enough RAM the speed of your HD is irrelevant.
I've only just heard of this today, seems quite wtf. Its Baldurs Gate 3 but its not, its Forgotten Realms but its not, I'm being told confusing stuff.
Looks like a good one for the far off future though.
Quote from: Tyr on November 02, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
I've only just heard of this today, seems quite wtf. Its Baldurs Gate 3 but its not, its Forgotten Realms but its not, I'm being told confusing stuff.
Looks like a good one for the far off future though.
:huh:
What did you think this thread was about before today?
Quote from: Tyr on November 02, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
Looks like a good one for the far off future though.
It is being released in Europe on Thursday...
Quote from: Valmy on November 02, 2009, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: Tyr on November 02, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
Looks like a good one for the far off future though.
It is being released in Europe on Thursday...
Ha! Eat it Europe!
Worshipful IGN review: http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/104/1040976p1.html
Quote from: Monoriu on November 02, 2009, 01:17:38 AM
Over here, games are often available months after they have been released in the major markets :weep:
That's because you people are thieves.
Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2009, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: Cecil on November 02, 2009, 10:37:42 AM
I have to laugh a bit at the competition of your HD sizes. Since when did HD size matter beyond your capability to store crap on it? Its the speed of the HD thats important.
Pfft. With enough RAM the speed of your HD is irrelevant.
'
Ah the old size doesnt matter refrain from those with small ones.
I am currently deleting crap on my hard drive to make some room for it.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 02, 2009, 11:37:14 PM
I am currently deleting crap on my hard drive to make some room for it.
:nelson
Pfft... I'll just get it for the 360. Same place I played KotOR I and II as well as the recently downloaded Jade Empire for old times sake.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on November 03, 2009, 01:47:32 AM
Pfft... I'll just get it for the 360. Same place I played KotOR I and II as well as the recently downloaded Jade Empire for old times sake.
I thought about picking it up 360 style (as i did with Kotors and Mass Effect), but figured i'd rather have the PC version as it has that toolset so user created content will be possible ala oblivion
Quote from: Valmy on November 02, 2009, 05:25:51 PM
Worshipful IGN review: http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/104/1040976p1.html
After the way the entire industry sucked Creative's cock over Empire, I'll wait to hear from players.
Quote from: katmai on November 03, 2009, 02:24:19 AM
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on November 03, 2009, 01:47:32 AM
Pfft... I'll just get it for the 360. Same place I played KotOR I and II as well as the recently downloaded Jade Empire for old times sake.
I thought about picking it up 360 style (as i did with Kotors and Mass Effect), but figured i'd rather have the PC version as it has that toolset so user created content will be possible ala oblivion
Most user created content is crap made so perverts like grumbler can walk around in baseball jerseys and ass chaps.
Quote from: Jaron on November 03, 2009, 03:11:48 AM
Most user created content is crap made so perverts like grumbler can walk around in baseball jerseys and ass chaps.
and...?
Quote from: Faeelin on November 03, 2009, 02:51:51 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 02, 2009, 05:25:51 PM
Worshipful IGN review: http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/104/1040976p1.html
After the way the entire industry sucked Creative's cock over Empire, I'll wait to hear from players.
Here's a more critical review:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/dragon-age-origins-review
Game reviews are essentially worthless.
Quote from: Caliga on November 03, 2009, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 03, 2009, 08:00:56 AM
Game reviews are essentially worthless.
Correct.
Not at all correct.
They can be very useful. I have often been more or less interested in a game based on a review. Not so much the "rating" part of it, but the insight into the mechanics.
I tend to glean that information from user reviews, though you're correct in that the professional reviews typically comment on that. I just don't trust the professional reviewers at all. I mean, the Eurogamer review that Cerr posted spent the entire time trashing Dragon Age, yet still gave it an 8/10. :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on November 03, 2009, 09:25:10 AM
I tend to glean that information from user reviews, though you're correct in that the professional reviews typically comment on that. I just don't trust the professional reviewers at all. I mean, the Eurogamer review that Cerr posted spent the entire time trashing Dragon Age, yet still gave it an 8/10. :huh:
I would agree that you cannot take reviews at face value, and like I said, the "rating" is largely meaningless.
I was just disagreeing with the claim that reviews are "worthless". They are not at all worthless. They just often do not have the worth the writer intended.
So, who's got it?
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 03, 2009, 10:30:08 AM
So, who's got it?
For some retarded reason my download from EA will not be available until NOON today instead of becoming available at midnight last night...so instead of downloading all day so I can play tonight I will be downloading all night.
I don't get that decision by EA but it is only a minor inconvenience.
The Escapist chimes in: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/reviews/6733-Review-Dragon-Age-Origins
Quote from: Cerr on November 03, 2009, 06:11:04 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on November 03, 2009, 02:51:51 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 02, 2009, 05:25:51 PM
Worshipful IGN review: http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/104/1040976p1.html
After the way the entire industry sucked Creative's cock over Empire, I'll wait to hear from players.
Here's a more critical review:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/dragon-age-origins-review
executive summary: well built indepth game that doesnt give instant gratification for the crowd that needs to level up or be given some enhancement every 30 seconds of play. Sounds good to me.
You know what I learned from that 8/10 review?
That playing on Normal difficulty will be fine. See, not worthless at all!
Game is hard and long according to reviewers which in these days were a SP game experience is considered to be adequate at 10 hours and challenging if you almost die once is something of a rarity. Combined with excellent storytelling and well.......fap fap fap fap..... :)
Steam also provided a pre-load option which I just noticed early this morning. Not sure if it was always there or whether they just added it. It was probably always there and I just didnt notice it. Anyway it should be downloaded by now.
Frankly, I hope this game is a blockbuster because the industry needs to see a successful RPG. They seem to have basically forgotten the genre exists the last couple years.
I'd love a Kotor 3.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 03, 2009, 12:30:52 PM
I'd love a Kotor 3.
You will have to settle with loving it in MMORPG form.
In other words you will get it as soon as Blizzard makes Warcraft 4.
Mine was downloaded Sun, but until about 10 mins ago It was "encrypted".
At 9am local time it's now decrypting and should have it up and running in about 15-20 mins.
Game is installed, see you guys in a few days.
Quote from: katmai on November 03, 2009, 01:58:14 PM
Game is installed, see you guys in a few days.
Tease!
Quote from: katmai on November 03, 2009, 01:20:35 PM
Mine was downloaded Sun, but until about 10 mins ago It was "encrypted".
At 9am local time it's now decrypting and should have it up and running in about 15-20 mins.
I did the "preload" I just have a feeling there is more to be loaded tonight.
Not sure if this was already mentioned, but just found out one piece of info that sold me on that game. :P
There is a bi male elven rogue you can romance.
I'm so in. :P
Quote from: Valmy on November 03, 2009, 02:05:40 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 03, 2009, 01:20:35 PM
Mine was downloaded Sun, but until about 10 mins ago It was "encrypted".
At 9am local time it's now decrypting and should have it up and running in about 15-20 mins.
I did the "preload" I just have a feeling there is more to be loaded tonight.
:huh:
there shouldn't be, i had to decrypt and then install it.
Quote from: Martinus on November 03, 2009, 03:45:33 PM
Not sure if this was already mentioned, but just found out one piece of info that sold me on that game. :P
There is a bi male elven rogue you can romance.
I'm so in. :P
You should have expected that, as homosexual romances have been available in all Bioware games as far back as BG2.
Quick review-
So far so good, just starting the back story for my Dalish rogue (no marcin, he isn't bi), game looks pretty nice (have it on max settings at 1920x1080)
only thing i noticed so far was the character i created with the standalone creator didn't match up exactly visually upon import, also i haven't looked to find out about the item suppose to get with the CE edition.
update to the update-
shockingly the bioware servers are overloaded meaning i can't redeem the codes for the CE bonus stuff yet :lol:
Neil: help a brutha out! :P
Quote from: Caliga on November 03, 2009, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 03, 2009, 08:00:56 AM
Game reviews are essentially worthless.
Correct.
I just remember I read the Review of Bioshock on Gamespot where they refered to the game as a "Homage" to Ayn Rand :lol: Almost every aspect was attack on her ideology. The whole game was "Galt's Gulch underwater where everyone is turned into a monster and John Galt an utter failure on every level"
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 03, 2009, 12:30:52 PM
Frankly, I hope this game is a blockbuster because the industry needs to see a successful RPG. They seem to have basically forgotten the genre exists the last couple years.
I'd love a Kotor 3.
Me too. Fallout was a huge shot in the arm for the RPG industry when it was released. Hopefully this will do the same.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 03, 2009, 04:35:07 PM
I just remember I read the Review of Bioshock on Gamespot where they refered to the game as a "Homage" to Ayn Rand :lol: Almost every aspect was attack on her ideology. The whole game was "Galt's Gulch underwater where everyone is turned into a monster and John Galt an utter failure on every level"
I think the takeaway here is that Objectivism just doesn't work when the wrong people try it. People living on the bottom of the ocean, for example.
This game is available for Sexbox, right?
Quote from: Martinus on November 03, 2009, 04:41:32 PM
This game is available for Sexbox, right?
Yeah but gameplay is dumbed down, the difficulty is lowered and graphics are worse.
Quote from: katmai on November 03, 2009, 04:06:26 PM
(no marcin, he isn't bi),
So they went fully homosexual with the rogues this time? :huh:
Quote from: Cecil on November 03, 2009, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 03, 2009, 04:41:32 PM
This game is available for Sexbox, right?
Yeah but gameplay is dumbed down, the difficulty is lowered and graphics are worse.
Not to mention no mods.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 03, 2009, 05:29:47 PM
Quote from: Cecil on November 03, 2009, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 03, 2009, 04:41:32 PM
This game is available for Sexbox, right?
Yeah but gameplay is dumbed down, the difficulty is lowered and graphics are worse.
Not to mention no mods.
Dealbreaker. I still can't find any games for the sexbox that I want. I think it was a waste of money.
Quote from: Caliga on November 03, 2009, 04:40:37 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 03, 2009, 04:35:07 PM
I just remember I read the Review of Bioshock on Gamespot where they refered to the game as a "Homage" to Ayn Rand :lol: Almost every aspect was attack on her ideology. The whole game was "Galt's Gulch underwater where everyone is turned into a monster and John Galt an utter failure on every level"
I think the takeaway here is that Objectivism just doesn't work when the wrong people try it. People living on the bottom of the ocean, for example.
The take away was it doesn't work period.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 03, 2009, 05:23:57 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 03, 2009, 04:06:26 PM
(no marcin, he isn't bi),
So they went fully homosexual with the rogues this time? :huh:
Rogues do it from behind.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 03, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Dealbreaker. I still can't find any games for the sexbox that I want. I think it was a waste of money.
Dude. NCAA Football '10.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 03, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Dealbreaker. I still can't find any games for the sexbox that I want. I think it was a waste of money.
What El jefe Butt said, along with Fight Night 4, UFC, Madden 10...
I'm going to try my luck and see if there are any copies in the shops today.
Quote from: Cerr on November 02, 2009, 02:50:25 PM
Quote from: Tyr on November 02, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
I've only just heard of this today, seems quite wtf. Its Baldurs Gate 3 but its not, its Forgotten Realms but its not, I'm being told confusing stuff.
Looks like a good one for the far off future though.
:huh:
What did you think this thread was about before today?
Something I'd never heard of and didn't feel like reading.
Quote
It is being released in Europe on Thursday...
My gaming PC is pretty old and its in another country.
Come summer I should be getting a new one.
Quote from: katmai on November 03, 2009, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 03, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Dealbreaker. I still can't find any games for the sexbox that I want. I think it was a waste of money.
What El jefe Butt said, along with Fight Night 4, UFC, Madden 10...
Yeah maybe I'll try to win the Super Bowl with the Browns or the Chiefs. :P
This game is really, really bloody.
Gonna pick it up for xbox. I'm hoping its not as stupid as Habbaku makes it sound.
Kind of stupidly so, actually. It takes away from the immersion, everyone walking around looking like Carrie all the time.
I'll give you my expert opinion tonight.
Quote from: Tamas on November 04, 2009, 02:51:56 AM
I'll give you my expert opinion tonight.
OMG is it better than Vanguard? :w00t:
I think I'll finish playing the Witcher before I start this one. I am enjoying that game.
Mein copy vill be delivered today!
Quote from: Berkut on November 04, 2009, 01:14:45 AM
Kind of stupidly so, actually. It takes away from the immersion, everyone walking around looking like Carrie all the time.
If they're constantly hacking shit to pieces, should they not be bloody? Or are they bloody even when it's been a while since they've fought and presumably would have had time to clean up?
Quote from: Caliga on November 04, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 04, 2009, 01:14:45 AM
Kind of stupidly so, actually. It takes away from the immersion, everyone walking around looking like Carrie all the time.
If they're constantly hacking shit to pieces, should they not be bloody? Or are they bloody even when it's been a while since they've fought and presumably would have had time to clean up?
A little of both - sometimes the main character is all bloody, but not the others.
But really, it is just over the top. I mean, everyone kind of looks red all the time, because they are soaked in blood.
Someone at Bioware came up with some cool "blood spatter on the models" tech, and ridiculously overused it.
Destructoid isn't happy:
QuoteEven worse is the fact that no amount of tactics can craft a team capable of dealing with the myriad obstacles constantly thrown at players. Be it tank-like enemy warriors that love to gang up on one player and systematically take the team down, archers that hide away and stun players with flights of arrows, or mages that can stun, freeze, drain and explode the allied party, often at once, there is too much to deal with at any given time, and players can easily be overwhelmed by the sheer clusterfuck of battle. I'd say you need a party of eight to deal with some of the huge battles in the game. Four doesn't feel like enough when twenty armed soldiers jump you and they have two mages with fireball spells backing them up.
The difficulty in Dragon Age is erratic at best and completely unbalanced at worst. Some dungeons are a breeze to get through for the first hour, and then suddenly there will be a room full of enemies that seem ludicrously powered up and completely overrun the player's team. These difficulty spikes appear randomly and without warning.
The game clearly wants to be treated like some sort of RTS, encouraging players to move allies into prime positions depending on their class. However, battles are just too chaotic and messy for any real RTS elements to shine through. This isn't helped by the fact that the only way to accurately position allies is to manually take control of them, but as soon as you give control back to the A.I, it will just carry on doing what it does best -- getting bullied by the enemy and dying within seconds. In the same way that Mass Effect tried to be a methodical shooter but put players up against fast-paced melee attackers, Dragon Age desperately wants to be a strategy game, but has made the game look, feel and play like a mindless, crazy hack n' slash.
It's worth noting that PC gamers get a more tactical perspective of battle and have access to hotkeys. These additions will surely help and make the PC game the infinitely superior choice. In comparison, the console versions cannot handle the kind of battles BioWare have created. This game probably should not have been released on the PS3 or Xbox 360. Even with the extra tools, however, the PC version still seems to suffer from many of the same problems, from what I have played of that version.
http://www.destructoid.com/review-dragon-age-origins-153764.phtml
More criticisms there.
I may be proven wrong of course, having not played the game yet, but it is sort of a shame to live in gaming days when it is considered a fault that enemy stacks employ proper basic tacitcs 101 (archers hiding, mages fireballing, warriors piling on a single target)
QuoteThese additions will surely help and make the PC game the infinitely superior choice. In comparison, the console versions cannot handle the kind of battles BioWare have created.
:nelson:
Quote from: Tamas on November 04, 2009, 10:36:08 AM
I may be proven wrong of course, having not played the game yet, but it is sort of a shame to live in gaming days when it is considered a fault that enemy stacks employ proper basic tacitcs 101 (archers hiding, mages fireballing, warriors piling on a single target)
A good summary of whats wrong with todays gaming....well one of the bigger things anyhow. If someone sets the game on the hardest difficulty then dies once the game is broken....eh? I totally gets what Yathzee is saying when he rants about regenerative health bars in shooters, games are getting too dumbed down.
Quote from: Tamas on November 04, 2009, 10:36:08 AM
I may be proven wrong of course, having not played the game yet, but it is sort of a shame to live in gaming days when it is considered a fault that enemy stacks employ proper basic tacitcs 101 (archers hiding, mages fireballing, warriors piling on a single target)
Well, it is a fault if the enemy does that but you cannot. It becomes only moderately irritating if the enemy does that and it is just hard for you to do the same.
The basic problem here is the same problem that you encounter in pretty much any computer game: the computer isn't able to adjust tactics based on what the player does, so it gets numbers and quality bumps to make up for it. If the player surprises the computer party, it can be a fair fight. If ambushed by superior numbers of individually better units, though, the player has no chance of winning. As far back as Jagged Alliance, players who tried to play through a whole game without saving couldn't make it through because their characters would get bounced at least once and always died when that happened.
Quote from: Cecil on November 04, 2009, 11:06:14 AM
A good summary of whats wrong with todays gaming....well one of the bigger things anyhow. If someone sets the game on the hardest difficulty then dies once the game is broken....eh?
I don't see how this follows.
QuoteI totally gets what Yathzee is saying when he rants about regenerative health bars in shooters, games are getting too dumbed down.
I think he (like you) protesteth too much. Regeneration, I am sure, makes sense in many circumstances/games where the gameplay would be crippled by the need to hunt down healing stations (or whatever), and health potions or whatever make sense I other circumstances. The only thing "dumbed down" in this debate is those debaters who insist any position not in accordance with their personal references is "dumbed down."
The "realism" argument is so laughable that it deserves no response.
Can anyone tell me if the storyline in the console version is somehow truncated or simplified compared to the PC version or are the differences only "mechanical"?
Quote from: Cecil on November 04, 2009, 11:06:14 AMI totally gets what Yathzee is saying when he rants about regenerative health bars in shooters, games are getting too dumbed down.
Yeah, I could never really get in to CoD4 multiplayer because of this. Not a fan of regenerative health in FPS.
Quote from: grumbler on November 04, 2009, 11:15:01 AM
Quote from: Cecil on November 04, 2009, 11:06:14 AM
A good summary of whats wrong with todays gaming....well one of the bigger things anyhow. If someone sets the game on the hardest difficulty then dies once the game is broken....eh?
I don't see how this follows.
QuoteI totally gets what Yathzee is saying when he rants about regenerative health bars in shooters, games are getting too dumbed down.
I think he (like you) protesteth too much. Regeneration, I am sure, makes sense in many circumstances/games where the gameplay would be crippled by the need to hunt down healing stations (or whatever), and health potions or whatever make sense I other circumstances. The only thing "dumbed down" in this debate is those debaters who insist any position not in accordance with their personal references is "dumbed down."
The "realism" argument is so laughable that it deserves no response.
Did I mention realism anywhere...do tell?
As for the rest. No.
Quote from: Martinus on November 04, 2009, 11:22:08 AM
Can anyone tell me if the storyline in the console version is somehow truncated or simplified compared to the PC version or are the differences only "mechanical"?
I am pretty sure you can have gay sex in the xbox version as well
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 04, 2009, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: Cecil on November 04, 2009, 11:06:14 AMI totally gets what Yathzee is saying when he rants about regenerative health bars in shooters, games are getting too dumbed down.
Yeah, I could never really get in to CoD4 multiplayer because of this. Not a fan of regenerative health in FPS.
Eh, I think it makes
more sense in multiplayer. Why let some guy who comes along get a frag by scavenging?
I only played through the mage intro and found it interesting - although I had a bit of trouble understanding all the voice acting.
Is there a way to turn down the blood when I get there?
Quote from: katmai on November 03, 2009, 03:57:10 PM
:huh:
there shouldn't be, i had to decrypt and then install it.
Huh yeah it went smoothly last night. I played it like crazy...this game is awesome it is like crack or something. I will be playing this one for a long time. As good as advertised!
Quote from: katmai on November 03, 2009, 04:06:26 PM
only thing i noticed so far was the character i created with the standalone creator didn't match up exactly visually upon import, also i haven't looked to find out about the item suppose to get with the CE edition.
Yeah I got this to work by clicking previous and next with the character a couple times and *poof* it went back to the character as I designed.
It was weird though.
Oh and you download the DLC right on the main game menu. Again sometimes you have to quit the game and re-enter it to get it to install right. A few annoying but easily solvable glitches in the early going here.
Quote from: Martinus on November 03, 2009, 03:45:33 PM
Not sure if this was already mentioned, but just found out one piece of info that sold me on that game. :P
There is a bi male elven rogue you can romance.
I'm so in. :P
I knew this would bring you in :P
Did I mention the blood?
Quote from: Cecil on November 04, 2009, 11:43:38 AM
Did I mention realism anywhere...do tell?
Do I say you mention realism any where... do tell?
QuoteAs for the rest. No.
I didn't think so! :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on November 04, 2009, 02:43:09 PM
Quote from: Cecil on November 04, 2009, 11:43:38 AM
Did I mention realism anywhere...do tell?
Do I say you mention realism any where... do tell?
QuoteAs for the rest. No.
I didn't think so! :lol:
Please stop right here. Thank you.
Quote from: Tamas on November 04, 2009, 02:54:56 PM
Please stop right here. Thank you.
I will if you will. :hug:
Just turn off the persistent gore.
Me likey. Human rogue.
I have played both a human mage and high caste dwarven warrior. I like it!
Did anyone notice the blood. :D
A miracle happened - for I played the game last night :cry:
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 04, 2009, 08:53:03 PM
I have played both a human mage and high caste dwarven warrior. I like it!
Did anyone notice the blood. :D
Still on my Dalish Rogue killing children of kings and having fun :w00t:
Quote from: Kleves on October 16, 2009, 04:02:06 PM
Here's a 20min~ gameplay video: http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-dragon-age-origins/17-1477/
I just watched the first tiny bit of the video and I have a question for those of you that play it..
Does it play exactly like WoW? The interface is very similar.
No. Nothing plays like WoW.
Quote from: Korea on November 04, 2009, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: Kleves on October 16, 2009, 04:02:06 PM
Here's a 20min~ gameplay video: http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-dragon-age-origins/17-1477/
I just watched the first tiny bit of the video and I have a question for those of you that play it..
Does it play exactly like WoW? The interface is very similar.
It can be played as WoW but you will die quickly. Actually, it is a very interesting blend of wow-ish WASD controls and point-and-click overhead RPGish controls. Will have to see how it actually works on the long run
Played it for sometime. I like it very much so far. I like The Elder Scrolls style and scenaries even more, but Dragon Age works for me. A couple of small problems -
Too much emphasis on combat
Graphics don't seem cutting edge
Too much blood
I hate how they constantly try to sell stuff to me. And I hate myself even more for even thinking about buying. Must. Resist.
ingame currency? BUY BUY BUY!
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 05, 2009, 09:46:27 AM
ingame currency? BUY BUY BUY!
Nah, real money. Downloadable content.
So is the consensus that this game is worth buying? I'm bored as hell with WOW and need a new non-mmorg distraction. :D
Quote from: Lndhand on November 05, 2009, 09:56:37 AM
So is the consensus that this game is worth buying? I'm bored as hell with WOW and need a new non-mmorg distraction. :D
Well it depends. If you liked the other Bioware games like Kotor and BG you will love it. If you did not like those games I would probably recomend you give it a pass as it is based around the same sort of ideas.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 05, 2009, 09:46:27 AM
ingame currency? BUY BUY BUY!
I think he is talking about the $7 DLC thing Warden's Keep.
Quote from: Valmy on November 05, 2009, 10:11:58 AM
Quote from: Lndhand on November 05, 2009, 09:56:37 AM
So is the consensus that this game is worth buying? I'm bored as hell with WOW and need a new non-mmorg distraction. :D
Well it depends. If you liked the other Bioware games like Kotor and BG you will love it. If you did not like those games I would probably recomend you give it a pass as it is based around the same sort of ideas.
What if You liked Kotor but not BG& I liked NWN tho?
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 05, 2009, 10:19:25 AM
What if You liked Kotor but not BG& I liked NWN tho?
Then you should die horribly for shitty taste.
But I would say in gameplay style it is more similar to KOTOR than BG.
There are people out there who dont like BG?
Anyhow, I cant afford this game, and it's more within the missus's sphere anyhow. I'll wait and see what she thinks of it.
Stores in Vienna currently only seem to have the XBox version.
Quote from: Valmy on November 05, 2009, 10:11:58 AM
Quote from: Lndhand on November 05, 2009, 09:56:37 AM
So is the consensus that this game is worth buying? I'm bored as hell with WOW and need a new non-mmorg distraction. :D
Well it depends. If you liked the other Bioware games like Kotor and BG you will love it. If you did not like those games I would probably recomend you give it a pass as it is based around the same sort of ideas.
Never played a Bioware game. :lol: I still may give it a try.
I liked BG for sure, but I think my favorite medieval/fantasy era RPG remained Betrayal at Krondor, story wise.
And I dare say it's a good one we got there.
I kinda like the plot, so far.
and the action.
and it's fucking tough at times.
How much hard drive space did the game end up taking?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 05, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
How much hard drive space did the game end up taking?
A little over 7 gigs IIRC. I downloaded mine digitally so that would be the whole thing.
I will double check when I get home.
Quote from: Lndhand on November 05, 2009, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 05, 2009, 10:11:58 AM
Quote from: Lndhand on November 05, 2009, 09:56:37 AM
So is the consensus that this game is worth buying? I'm bored as hell with WOW and need a new non-mmorg distraction. :D
Well it depends. If you liked the other Bioware games like Kotor and BG you will love it. If you did not like those games I would probably recomend you give it a pass as it is based around the same sort of ideas.
Never played a Bioware game. :lol: I still may give it a try.
Neither have I. :unsure:
But like lnd I am bored with WoW, and I can't get to my XBox very often, so I may just pick this up.
Quote from: Valmy on November 05, 2009, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 05, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
How much hard drive space did the game end up taking?
A little over 7 gigs IIRC. I downloaded mine digitally so that would be the whole thing.
I will double check when I get home.
you smoking crack, 7gigs was the compressed, it is about 16gigs one installed DP.
Quote from: Barrister on November 05, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
Neither have I. :unsure:
But like lnd I am bored with WoW, and I can't get to my XBox very often, so I may just pick this up.
I think you'd like it.
Ok thanks. Will be able to fit this without too much pain.
Curse you Bioware, making me want to play an Elf.
:bleeding:
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 05, 2009, 02:51:31 PM
Curse you Bioware, making me want to play an Elf.
:bleeding:
:nelson
Quote from: katmai on November 05, 2009, 02:36:10 PM
you smoking crack, 7gigs was the compressed, it is about 16gigs one installed DP.
Ok that is where I got the 7 gigs from.
Quote from: Barrister on November 05, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
Neither have I. :unsure:
But like lnd I am bored with WoW, and I can't get to my XBox very often, so I may just pick this up.
All you guys who have never played a Bioware game pick it up. If RPGs are the games for you you will love it.
One question. There is a 9 year old wandering around Ice Station Barrister these days, and he often looks over my shoulder when I play WoW. I couldn't help but notice the M for Mature rating for Dragon Age. Is that only for the excessive blood, or is it mature to the point I couldn't even play the game when he's around?
Well from what i've seen a few scantily clad computer generated women around occasionally.
Quote from: katmai on November 05, 2009, 03:04:12 PM
Well from what i've seen a few scantily clad computer generated women around occasionally.
Yeah but you sorta have to provoke those incidents. The vast majority of the game looks like any other video game.
Quote from: Valmy on November 05, 2009, 03:09:18 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 05, 2009, 03:04:12 PM
Well from what i've seen a few scantily clad computer generated women around occasionally.
Yeah but you sorta have to provoke those incidents.
Tell me more... :perv:
I'm gonna play a human or elf champion, making sweet sweet love to an elf assassin. :P
Quote from: Martinus on November 05, 2009, 03:22:23 PM
I'm gonna play a human or elf champion, making sweet sweet love to an elf assassin. :P
Fag.
Quote from: Barrister on November 05, 2009, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 05, 2009, 03:22:23 PM
I'm gonna play a human or elf champion, making sweet sweet love to an elf assassin. :P
Fag.
That's hostile. The propose response is "Homo". :P
Quote from: Barrister on November 05, 2009, 03:14:01 PM
Tell me more... :perv:
If you play the human noble origin you can have sex almost right away if you talk dirty to the right squire/lady in waiting.
Quote from: Barrister on November 05, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
One question. There is a 9 year old wandering around Ice Station Barrister these days, and he often looks over my shoulder when I play WoW. I couldn't help but notice the M for Mature rating for Dragon Age. Is that only for the excessive blood, or is it mature to the point I couldn't even play the game when he's around?
If you remove the clothing/armor for the female characters, you will see them in bra and panties, with revealing forms.
You may kiss a girl (well, hetero sex, so if you play a female, she'll kiss one of the guys).
AFAIK, there is no sex scene and no nudity, and it's rated 13+, mostly for splashing blood. If seeing half-naked women covered in blood will disturb your 9 year old, you should maybe avoid it.
Or you can start sexual education right away, telling him how women in the real world don't run around in panties while covered in the blood of their slain ennemies.
Quote from: Barrister on November 05, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
One question. There is a 9 year old wandering around Ice Station Barrister these days, and he often looks over my shoulder when I play WoW. I couldn't help but notice the M for Mature rating for Dragon Age. Is that only for the excessive blood, or is it mature to the point I couldn't even play the game when he's around?
better he gets introduced to the real world (yeah, elves everywhere in RL :p) asap. :p
Quote from: viper37 on November 05, 2009, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 05, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
One question. There is a 9 year old wandering around Ice Station Barrister these days, and he often looks over my shoulder when I play WoW. I couldn't help but notice the M for Mature rating for Dragon Age. Is that only for the excessive blood, or is it mature to the point I couldn't even play the game when he's around?
If you remove the clothing/armor for the female characters, you will see them in bra and panties, with revealing forms.
You may kiss a girl (well, hetero sex, so if you play a female, she'll kiss one of the guys).
AFAIK, there is no sex scene and no nudity, and it's rated 13+, mostly for splashing blood. If seeing half-naked women covered in blood will disturb your 9 year old, you should maybe avoid it.
Or you can start sexual education right away, telling him how women in the real world don't run around in panties while covered in the blood of their slain ennemies.
You can have lesbian/gay sex too.
Motherfucker. This game is damn hard on normal. A rogue cannot avoid combat skills. I repeat, CANNOT AVOID THEM.
I always end up playing a warrior/paladin type in Bioware games, at least on the first play-through. They are best at surviving.
I hope I can get the game tomorrow. Can't wait.
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 04:44:43 PM
Motherfucker. This game is damn hard on normal. A rogue cannot avoid combat skills. I repeat, CANNOT AVOID THEM.
I know. Isn't it awesome?
Quote from: viper37 on November 05, 2009, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 05, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
One question. There is a 9 year old wandering around Ice Station Barrister these days, and he often looks over my shoulder when I play WoW. I couldn't help but notice the M for Mature rating for Dragon Age. Is that only for the excessive blood, or is it mature to the point I couldn't even play the game when he's around?
If you remove the clothing/armor for the female characters, you will see them in bra and panties, with revealing forms.
You may kiss a girl (well, hetero sex, so if you play a female, she'll kiss one of the guys).
AFAIK, there is no sex scene and no nudity, and it's rated 13+, mostly for splashing blood. If seeing half-naked women covered in blood will disturb your 9 year old, you should maybe avoid it.
Or you can start sexual education right away, telling him how women in the real world don't run around in panties while covered in the blood of their slain ennemies.
Pretty sure it's rated 17+.
And since he isn't my kid, I sure as hell am not starting any "sexual education" with him.
Quote from: Barrister on November 05, 2009, 05:00:24 PM
Pretty sure it's rated 17+.
And since he isn't my kid, I sure as hell am not starting any "sexual education" with him.
Ok let me make this clear: unless you yourself seek out the sex it will not be coming to you. There will be no naked women unless you take the clothes off your character yourself and it is pretty obvious when you are flirting and asking for sex.
So long as you use common sense I don't think your 9 year old pal should be seeing anything outside of good old video game violence.
Quote from: Barrister on November 05, 2009, 05:00:24 PM
And since he isn't my kid, I sure as hell am not starting any "sexual education" with him.
He's in your house. He's your property.
Do you guys think this would play terribly on a console?
Quote from: Korea on November 05, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
Do you guys think this would play terribly on a console?
The assumption is, for reasons I am not sure, that it is not as good on the console. The actual professional reviews playing it on the console were very positive though despite this rumor.
I do not really use my mouse that much so I think it should be fine controls wise.
BUT I am playing it on the PC. Read up on the internet a bit first.
I loaded it up when I got home and all of a sudden its 8 hours later....gonna be tired at work tomorrow.
Quote from: Valmy on November 05, 2009, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 04:44:43 PM
Motherfucker. This game is damn hard on normal. A rogue cannot avoid combat skills. I repeat, CANNOT AVOID THEM.
I know. Isn't it awesome?
I thought I was all clever maxing out coercion up front. BAD MOVE. And the scarcity of potions is RIDICULOUS. You need a healer, for rills.
Quote from: Valmy on November 05, 2009, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 04:44:43 PM
Motherfucker. This game is damn hard on normal. A rogue cannot avoid combat skills. I repeat, CANNOT AVOID THEM.
I know. Isn't it awesome?
I managed to get a TPK in the tutorial. :lol:
Truly an excellent game so far.
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 05:25:01 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 05, 2009, 04:49:43 PM
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 04:44:43 PM
Motherfucker. This game is damn hard on normal. A rogue cannot avoid combat skills. I repeat, CANNOT AVOID THEM.
I know. Isn't it awesome?
I thought I was all clever maxing out coercion up front. BAD MOVE. And the scarcity of potions is RIDICULOUS. You need a healer, for rills.
get thee to Circle of mages, makes a world of difference if you get the party member you can recruit there...
but yeah i restarted with a city elf warrior as i kept dying so many times with my dalish rogue :lol:
Quote from: Korea on November 05, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
Do you guys think this would play terribly on a console?
I got it for Xbox (simply because I get everything for xbox these days). Downsides that I have seen thus far: No pausing (you can hit "L" to pause the game, but it will unpause after you issue a single command). You only have 6 quick spell slots (at level 6, I already have 8 spells); to cast other spells you will need to go through the "L" menu. There's also no overhead view.
Apparently there are also some graphical differences, and they say that it's easier on consoles (so I'm playing on Hard). I have not found it to be
too easy, and I have died a few times, but I think some of the difficulty is from the fact that it is tough to coordinate your party's actions, since you cannot really pause.
Initially I was somewhat disappointed, but the game is defnitely growing on me. It may be more like KOTOR than BG2 on consoles, though.
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 05:25:01 PM
And the scarcity of potions is RIDICULOUS. You need a healer, for rills.
Crafting potions is pretty easy. Pretty common elfroot (or whatever) + cheap flasks = potions.
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 05:25:01 PM
And the scarcity of potions is RIDICULOUS.
:huh: I'm practically floating in the things. Don't you have a crafter in the party?
The video didn't seem to have a first-person view, is that the case?
Quote from: Habbaku on November 05, 2009, 06:54:51 PM
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 05:25:01 PM
And the scarcity of potions is RIDICULOUS.
:huh: I'm practically floating in the things. Don't you have a crafter in the party?
NO HEALER.
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 10:16:34 PM
NO HEALER.
I have two rogues, a warrior and a mage. None of them heal with anything other than potions.
Quote from: Maximus on November 05, 2009, 07:31:15 PM
The video didn't seem to have a first-person view, is that the case?
I don't think there is a first-person view. You can zoom and change the viewing angle so that you sorta follow the party. But you still see their shoulders.
Local EB Games (the only place to buy games besides 3 year old titles at Walmart) was sold out. Maybe tomorrow.
Quote from: Korea on November 05, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
Do you guys think this would play terribly on a console?
I will be getting it for Xbox, preferably tonight, since I don't own a Windows gaming computer, so I will let you know. :)
Quote from: Valmy on November 05, 2009, 05:20:21 PM
Quote from: Korea on November 05, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
Do you guys think this would play terribly on a console?
The assumption is, for reasons I am not sure, that it is not as good on the console. The actual professional reviews playing it on the console were very positive though despite this rumor.
I do not really use my mouse that much so I think it should be fine controls wise.
BUT I am playing it on the PC. Read up on the internet a bit first.
Yeah, I will go look up some articles. I'm just wondering how combat controls are on the pc because I use the arrow keys (wow) to move around and I'm on a lap top so it's a bit hard to use the arrow keys and control stuff while you are fighting. A console controller feels so much more natural in my hands but I wasn't sure if this translate well to console (ex: morrowind magic user on xbox)
I really do want to try the game but I don't want to buy it if it's going to be unplayable for me.
Quote from: Kleves on November 05, 2009, 06:20:59 PM
Quote from: Korea on November 05, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
Do you guys think this would play terribly on a console?
I got it for Xbox (simply because I get everything for xbox these days). Downsides that I have seen thus far: No pausing (you can hit "L" to pause the game, but it will unpause after you issue a single command). You only have 6 quick spell slots (at level 6, I already have 8 spells); to cast other spells you will need to go through the "L" menu. There's also no overhead view.
Apparently there are also some graphical differences, and they say that it's easier on consoles (so I'm playing on Hard). I have not found it to be too easy, and I have died a few times, but I think some of the difficulty is from the fact that it is tough to coordinate your party's actions, since you cannot really pause.
Initially I was somewhat disappointed, but the game is defnitely growing on me. It may be more like KOTOR than BG2 on consoles, though.
Ah, thanks.
Quote from: Habbaku on November 05, 2009, 06:54:51 PM
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 05:25:01 PM
And the scarcity of potions is RIDICULOUS.
:huh: I'm practically floating in the things. Don't you have a crafter in the party?
When you mention party do you mean party full of NPCs?
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 02:34:58 AM
Quote from: Korea on November 05, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
Do you guys think this would play terribly on a console?
I will be getting it for Xbox, preferably tonight, since I don't own a Windows gaming computer, so I will let you know. :)
Great, :)
"Killing rats? It's like start of every bad adventure tale my aunt used to tell me!" :lol:
Quote from: Korea on November 06, 2009, 03:17:45 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 05, 2009, 06:54:51 PM
Quote from: Scipio on November 05, 2009, 05:25:01 PM
And the scarcity of potions is RIDICULOUS.
:huh: I'm practically floating in the things. Don't you have a crafter in the party?
When you mention party do you mean party full of NPCs?
He does, it's a single player game.
Quote from: Monoriu on November 05, 2009, 11:53:18 PM
I don't think there is a first-person view. You can zoom and change the viewing angle so that you sorta follow the party. But you still see their shoulders.
Meh, not an absolute deal-breaker, but I really hate that. How hard is it to put in a first person view?
I just picked up Dragon Age. Think I'm gonna start off with a Gutter Dwarf Rogue.
Playing a human female warrior noble (yes, redhead). Struggling with the cam controls. Zoomed in looks pretty but sucks in a fight. Zoomed out is useful in combat, but doesn't look pretty.
Also, I'm disappointed that the main character's lines aren't read out loud and that they took a step back from the dialogue system in Mass Effect.
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2009, 01:34:10 AM
Local EB Games (the only place to buy games besides 3 year old titles at Walmart) was sold out. Maybe tomorrow.
Dude, welcome to the 21st century!
Steam, EA Download Manager, Direct2Drive, GamersGate, etc, etc, etc.
Quote from: Syt on November 06, 2009, 09:36:01 AM
Also, I'm disappointed that the main character's lines aren't read out loud and that they took a step back from the dialogue system in Mass Effect.
Simply not practical unless you limit the PC to two voices like in Mass Effect. I think the dialog system in Mass Effect was pretty lame in the sense you knew what you were going to say based on where it was on the dialog wheel not what it actually said.
Quote from: viper37 on November 06, 2009, 09:46:46 AM
Dude, welcome to the 21st century!
Steam, EA Download Manager, Direct2Drive, GamersGate, etc, etc, etc.
My brother insists on having physical copies of everything he buys, so maybe Beeb is the same.
Btw, anyone else has problems with the zooming function not working on the mouse? It works fine with page up/pgdwn but not the mouse wheel.
Also when you push the mouse to the edge of the screen, does the camera angle changes as if you were pressing 'a' or 'd' ? 'Cause here, it doesn't :( I kinda like that in KOTOR.
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2009, 09:54:22 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 06, 2009, 09:46:46 AM
Dude, welcome to the 21st century!
Steam, EA Download Manager, Direct2Drive, GamersGate, etc, etc, etc.
My brother insists on having physical copies of everything he buys, so maybe Beeb is the same.
there are 'old' people of any ages ;)
Quote from: viper37 on November 06, 2009, 09:55:39 AM
there are 'old' people of any ages ;)
Well my brother does act like a grumpy old man, in fact. He always refused to try drugs, and also will not drink alcohol. :)
It seems Futureshop is sold out. I refuse to go at EBgames.
Can't use digital providers :s
Got mine from Amazon, should be delivered today.
If this game sucks, there are a lot of people here who will be dead to me. :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on November 06, 2009, 10:08:54 AM
Got mine from Amazon, should be delivered today.
If this game sucks, there are a lot of people here who will be dead to me. :lol:
Pfft we will just be added to the list i'm sure.
:P
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2009, 09:54:22 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 06, 2009, 09:46:46 AM
Dude, welcome to the 21st century!
Steam, EA Download Manager, Direct2Drive, GamersGate, etc, etc, etc.
My brother insists on having physical copies of everything he buys, so maybe Beeb is the same.
I don't strictly insist, but yeah I greatly prefer having physical media. Plus I read some of the complaints people were having downloading Dragon Age.
Actually I was gonna get via Steam if I did get it, but now that I think about it I may pick up a physical copy myself, because Princesca will almost certainly want to play it (she played and beat Mass Effect, as did I) and I dunno how that would work with Steam... I suspect I couldn't have it installed on both PCs at once.
Quote from: viper37 on November 06, 2009, 09:46:46 AM
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2009, 01:34:10 AM
Local EB Games (the only place to buy games besides 3 year old titles at Walmart) was sold out. Maybe tomorrow.
Dude, welcome to the 21st century!
Steam, EA Download Manager, Direct2Drive, GamersGate, etc, etc, etc.
I don't buy things online if I can help it. It is a matter of principle.
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2009, 12:00:53 PM
Actually I was gonna get via Steam if I did get it, but now that I think about it I may pick up a physical copy myself, because Princesca will almost certainly want to play it (she played and beat Mass Effect, as did I) and I dunno how that would work with Steam... I suspect I couldn't have it installed on both PCs at once.
It can; I have left4dead on two comps.
There is a problem with the patch that may break the game for some people. I installed the patch after an hour of play and it no longer starts. Gonna reinstall, others have had this too after patching.
I have to say that I don't really like the combat nearly as much as I thought I would. Feels pretty much out of my control. BG2 was much better at that.
Quote from: Berkut on November 06, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
I have to say that I don't really like the combat nearly as much as I thought I would. Feels pretty much out of my control. BG2 was much better at that.
I think it is going to take some getting used to.
I have had some problems with it in the early going. The camera angles are annoying and sometimes the AI for my party members doesn't really work right.
But then I have not had the desire yet to sit down and fiddle with the tactics menus.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 06, 2009, 12:41:06 PM
There is a problem with the patch that may break the game for some people. I installed the patch after an hour of play and it no longer starts. Gonna reinstall, others have had this too after patching.
Is the patch only for certain OS or something? Well I really do not want to have to reinstall so I will read up on it and be careful.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 06, 2009, 12:41:06 PM
There is a problem with the patch that may break the game for some people. I installed the patch after an hour of play and it no longer starts. Gonna reinstall, others have had this too after patching.
Xbox: 1. PC: 3. ^_^
Omg I'm loving the atmosphere of this game. I am playing as a human noble warrior/champion. This feels sooo like Song of Ice and Fire. :cool:
Quote from: Berkut on November 06, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
I have to say that I don't really like the combat nearly as much as I thought I would. Feels pretty much out of my control. BG2 was much better at that.
Act like a wargamer, and figure out the Tactics mechanics for us, dammit! :mad:
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 02:02:01 PM
Omg I'm loving the atmosphere of this game. I am playing as a human noble warrior/champion. This feels sooo like Song of Ice and Fire. :cool:
A poor man's SOIAF, but yes, I like it too.
Quote from: Tamas on November 06, 2009, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 06, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
I have to say that I don't really like the combat nearly as much as I thought I would. Feels pretty much out of my control. BG2 was much better at that.
Act like a wargamer, and figure out the Tactics mechanics for us, dammit! :mad:
I don't want to.
Quote from: Valmy on November 06, 2009, 01:16:25 PM
Is the patch only for certain OS or something? Well I really do not want to have to reinstall so I will read up on it and be careful.
The patch was supposed to be for everyone. I dunno why it affected me but not most people, and neither did the people on shacknews that had the problem. Couldn't find a thread on the DA forums about it. Reinstalled and it works fine again.
Am enjoying the game so far, it runs surprisingly well consider I just barely meet the requirements. Love the combat, seems just like BG and NWN2 to me, especially after I turned off tactics so I can micromanage.
Hmmm this looks like a welcome break from both LotRO and EUIII.
Not many classes though...
G.
Quote from: Grallon on November 06, 2009, 03:25:03 PM
Hmmm this looks like a welcome break from both LotRO and EUIII.
Not many classes though...
G.
There are 12 of them. :huh:
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 03:26:32 PM
There are 12 of them. :huh:
The website mentions 3...?
G.
Quote from: Monoriu on November 06, 2009, 12:05:19 PM
I don't buy things online if I can help it. It is a matter of principle.
dinosaur sighted! :P
Quote from: Grallon on November 06, 2009, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 03:26:32 PM
There are 12 of them. :huh:
The website mentions 3...?
G.
They are just starting ones - sort of archetypes. Then you can specialize in 12 (4 per each "base" class).
Btw, don't know about others, but the Human Noble start is fucking cool. I rarely go all teary-eyed for a computer game. :cool:
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 03:34:45 PM
Btw, don't know about others, but the Human Noble start is fucking cool. I rarely go all teary-eyed for a computer game. :cool:
Yeah it was pretty awesome. I loved the whole atmosphere around it.
I've never been a big fan of high fantasy/D&D-like role-playing games, but this one is pretty interesting. I'll echo Valmy and Marty in saying the Human noble start is great.
Is the game great?
I oppose this game, due to the leniency that it shows towards homosexuality.
Quote from: Neil on November 06, 2009, 06:41:34 PM
I oppose this game, due to the leniency that it shows towards homosexuality.
Neil why don't you find yourself a homophobe smilie instead of repeating the same old mantra and boring everyone with this unending monologue? <_<
G.
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 03:34:45 PM
Btw, don't know about others, but the Human Noble start is fucking cool. I rarely go all teary-eyed for a computer game. :cool:
Wait until you find the gay part.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 06, 2009, 02:53:01 PM
The patch was supposed to be for everyone. I dunno why it affected me but not most people, and neither did the people on shacknews that had the problem. Couldn't find a thread on the DA forums about it. Reinstalled and it works fine again.
Here is the fix posted on shacknews that fixed the game for people there, in case you patch and it breaks the game
QuoteHeya, sorry if this is hitting you, but the first thing to try is to get the VCRT 2005 latest update. Something went weird with the build.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=766a6af7-ec73-40ff-b072-9112bab119c2
Quote from: Grallon on November 06, 2009, 06:56:07 PM
Neil why don't you find yourself a homophobe smilie instead of repeating the same old mantra and boring everyone with this unending monologue? <_<
The reactions to his trolling from Marty and you are actually rather amusing. :P
Quote from: Grallon on November 06, 2009, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 06, 2009, 06:41:34 PM
I oppose this game, due to the leniency that it shows towards homosexuality.
Neil why don't you find yourself a homophobe smilie instead of repeating the same old mantra and boring everyone with this unending monologue? <_<
Does such a smilie exist?
Besides, surely everyone on the forum must hate gays. Why else would they be on a forum whose official policy is anti-gay?
Am I the only one who found the human noble story trite and unsurprising?
[SPOILERS]
First off, you have your usual, "Sole survivor" background with a grudge against the guy who killed your family and took your home. Secondly, that betrayal was pretty clear when you first met Arl Howe and asked him why his troops were delayed. Yes, the cutscenes were very good, but my original thinking was, "They sure didn't use something that clichéd?"
Besides, you arrive at the army camp constantly asking about your brother, but once you're on the path to the becoming a Grey Warden you hear nothing of him anymore. Heck, after the battle you'd expect the hero to worry even more ... but nothing. Not to mention that you're now not only the (presumably) last of your family, you're now also the (presumably) second but last Grey Warden.
Speaking of which ... again an ancient warrior order that stems the tide of evil? The drinking of the Darkspawn blood (and surviving it or not) reminded me of the background in the Witcher stories who weed out their recruits in a similar way, trying to give them immunity to poisons/elixirs.
I like the game so far, but I had hoped the story might be a bit more original; though the cutscenes mostly make up for this.
Well, it's a good story. :P
Speaking of spoilers, did anyone manage to bed the son of the visiting noble lady in the human noble start. I flirted with him in the room near the library and he agreed to come to my room at night - and later, when the "attack" sequence starts, he was there, naked. :lol:
Too bad he was the first one to get a knife through his throat when Howe's men burst through the door. :P
Also, make sure to take your mother to the castle treasury during the siege sequence. I am now replaying the start since something went wrong with my save, and I can't believe how much shit I missed.
Quote from: Syt on November 07, 2009, 01:45:53 AM
Am I the only one who found the human noble story trite and unsurprising?
[SPOILERS]
First off, you have your usual, "Sole survivor" background with a grudge against the guy who killed your family and took your home. Secondly, that betrayal was pretty clear when you first met Arl Howe and asked him why his troops were delayed. Yes, the cutscenes were very good, but my original thinking was, "They sure didn't use something that clichéd?"
Besides, you arrive at the army camp constantly asking about your brother, but once you're on the path to the becoming a Grey Warden you hear nothing of him anymore. Heck, after the battle you'd expect the hero to worry even more ... but nothing. Not to mention that you're now not only the (presumably) last of your family, you're now also the (presumably) second but last Grey Warden.
Speaking of which ... again an ancient warrior order that stems the tide of evil? The drinking of the Darkspawn blood (and surviving it or not) reminded me of the background in the Witcher stories who weed out their recruits in a similar way, trying to give them immunity to poisons/elixirs.
I like the game so far, but I had hoped the story might be a bit more original; though the cutscenes mostly make up for this.
The mage background is pretty damn good, IMHO.
Also, mages KICK ASS.
Just wait till you get to the commoner Dwarf story gay Dwarf who is exiled to the surface because of his forbidden love
God, I hate the annoying mage bitch. I replaced her on the party first chance I got.
Though it should be fun to play an "evil" character with her in the party.
I'm playing my human warrior not as evil per se, but as a sort of vainglorious fop and a bit of a heartless bastard.
So, like the king then? :P
Usually my first playthrough in Bioware games is as "nice guy" (with ME being the exception so far), then later as a selfish dude.
I don't like playing as a completely selfish and evil guy since it usually gets cheesy at some point. And I rarely replay games (hell, I rarely if ever finish them on the first play-through). So I kinda go for a neutral kind of approach.
And yeah, they get along with the King swimmingly. :P
Errr .... this is weird.
Anyone can use potions, but not everyone can make them. Fair enough.
On the other hand, only people who can make poisons can apply them to weapons (i.e. a warrior unable to mix poisons is totally unable to coat his sword with some reagent)? Even if you could explain it away with lore (maybe very difficult/dangerous to apply, requires certain Satanic rituals, speaking the Ave Maria backwards while doing a handstand in front of a mirror or whatever), from a gameplay point of view it sucks.
:huh:
That doesn't bother me. I imagine poison is quite dangerous and difficult to apply, kinda like setting traps. It'd be nice if the poison maker could apply it to other people's weapons before battle, but it's not a big deal to me. It only takes one rank in poison to use it, I might have my melee characters add it.
Quote from: Syt on November 07, 2009, 01:45:53 AM
Am I the only one who found the human noble story trite and unsurprising?
[SPOILERS]
First off, you have your usual, "Sole survivor" background with a grudge against the guy who killed your family and took your home. Secondly, that betrayal was pretty clear when you first met Arl Howe and asked him why his troops were delayed. Yes, the cutscenes were very good, but my original thinking was, "They sure didn't use something that clichéd?"
Besides, you arrive at the army camp constantly asking about your brother, but once you're on the path to the becoming a Grey Warden you hear nothing of him anymore. Heck, after the battle you'd expect the hero to worry even more ... but nothing. Not to mention that you're now not only the (presumably) last of your family, you're now also the (presumably) second but last Grey Warden.
Speaking of which ... again an ancient warrior order that stems the tide of evil? The drinking of the Darkspawn blood (and surviving it or not) reminded me of the background in the Witcher stories who weed out their recruits in a similar way, trying to give them immunity to poisons/elixirs.
I like the game so far, but I had hoped the story might be a bit more original; though the cutscenes mostly make up for this.
SPOILERS
Ok, about the "you don't heard about your brother anymore" - I think you are not fair there. I mean you arrive at the camp, where the King promises to look into the Howe's betrayal after the battle is over, and then you have a sequence of one afternoon and the battle itself. And after the battle, it's presumed everybody is dead, no?
Not to mention, my character keeps having options to discuss Howe's betrayal in convos, with Alistair, for example.
Too bad Alistair can't be seduced by a male PC, though - since I got about +10 relationship with him already. :P
I've met Sten. I predict hairpulling conversations in my near future. :lol:
Who is Sten? :D
Btw, I now feel an urge to restart as a mage. :P Just not sure whether human or elf.
How have you not met Sten yet?
Or have you only been playing the into/background stories Marcin? :P
Enjoying my 2nd character (city elf warrior, up to lvl 11 completed the Mage tower and now muck deep in the bowels of the earth in Dwarven politics)
Sten is teh funny.
I got killed during the intro - trying to escape from the castle with mommy. :lol:
I like the almost seamless integration of voice and cinematics. And I discovered with pleasure that Claudia Black does the voice over of one of the NPCs! :w00t:
But I think I've become too used to the mechanics of MMOs since the interface seems clunky; I keep trying to move the camera with the scroll wheel...
Still I loved Baldur's Gate I & II (Minsk and Boo!) so I'll be exploring more today.
G.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 07, 2009, 05:15:19 AM
Just wait till you get to the commoner Dwarf story gay Dwarf who is exiled to the surface because of his forbidden love
This is the story I'm playing. I was hoping for a rags to riches story. In this particular regard I am a bit disappointed.
Quote from: Grallon on November 07, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
I got killed during the intro - trying to escape from the castle with mommy. :lol:
I like the almost seamless integration of voice and cinematics. And I discovered with pleasure that Claudia Black does the voice over of one of the NPCs! :w00t:
But I think I've become too used to the mechanics of MMOs since the interface seems clunky; I keep trying to move the camera with the scroll wheel...
Still I loved Baldur's Gate I & II (Minsk and Boo!) so I'll be exploring more today.
G.
Have you bedded the redhead during the human noble intro? :P
Quote from: Martinus on November 07, 2009, 11:13:44 AM
Have you bedded the redhead during the human noble intro? :P
I kept wanting to! Is it even possible? :blush:
G.
Quote from: Grallon on November 07, 2009, 11:15:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 07, 2009, 11:13:44 AM
Have you bedded the redhead during the human noble intro? :P
I kept wanting to! Is it even possible? :blush:
G.
Oh sorry I realised there were two of them. I don't mean Sir Gilmore, but the guy you get to talk to when you first meet your mother - he is a son of the lady visiting your mother.
He tells you he will be in the library - if you go to the library, there is a small room next to it (called the Study I think) where you can talk to him. When he asks you about favourite book, mention the one with the title sounding vaguely pornographic/erotic - he will respond that he knows it too, even though it is banned by the Chantry. From there you can direct the conversation to get him to come to your room after dark.
Later when you go to talk to your brother and the siege/night attack sequence starts, you will wake up in your room, next to him - unfortunately he will be the first to die. :P
There is an actual sex scene with the elf Zehvran later on, btw - check afterelton.com. :P
I don't like the game.
Quote from: katmai on November 07, 2009, 10:57:18 AM
How have you not met Sten yet?
Or have you only been playing the into/background stories Marcin? :P
Enjoying my 2nd character (city elf warrior, up to lvl 11 completed the Mage tower and now muck deep in the bowels of the earth in Dwarven politics)
I've only dicked around with the Intros (which are really neat). I'm still devoting time to the Witcher (which admittedly is not as good a game). The INtros though have really impressed me. They are similar to the alignment intros in The Temple of Elemental Evil. Though more impressive.
So Brain says don't buy... everyone else?
I agree, the brain isn't worth the asking price.
The game is worth the price though.
I bought it, surprisingly I found a PC copy at Walmart.
I made a commoner dwarf. The game needs an autorun key.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 07, 2009, 05:47:54 PM
I bought it, surprisingly I found a PC copy at Walmart.
I made a commoner dwarf.
:rolleyes:
of course you did.
I know. He's even a warrior.
my only complaint is my warrior is lvl 11 and hasn't taken a specialty because I've only found the templar training which vendor is selling for 15gold.
Quote from: Syt on November 07, 2009, 06:35:56 AM
God, I hate the annoying mage bitch. I replaced her on the party first chance I got.
Though it should be fun to play an "evil" character with her in the party.
Should have kept her a bit longer, its fun to hear the banter between her and the ex templar.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 07, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
Quote from: Syt on November 07, 2009, 06:35:56 AM
God, I hate the annoying mage bitch. I replaced her on the party first chance I got.
Though it should be fun to play an "evil" character with her in the party.
Should have kept her a bit longer, its fun to hear the banter between her and the ex templar.
Yeah, her and Alistair are really amusing
Quote from: katmai on November 07, 2009, 05:53:15 PM
my only complaint is my warrior is lvl 11 and hasn't taken a specialty because I've only found the templar training which vendor is selling for 15gold.
Ugh. My rogue just reached level 7 and I was looking forward to becoming an assassin. Didn't realize until it was greyed out at lvl up you had to find it somewhere.
The blood does get a bit silly.
I'm currently playing a human mage, mostly to get away from the blood stains. :P
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 07, 2009, 05:47:54 PM
I bought it, surprisingly I found a PC copy at Walmart.
I made a commoner dwarf. The game needs an autorun key.
I got a copy at Walmart today myself, where it was 3 cents cheaper than at EB Games. :cool:
Started with a Human Mage.
hmm... maybe I should try Walmart then...
Hey if you pre-ordered off Steam does it automatically download the DLC stuff for you?
Quote from: Razgovory on November 07, 2009, 09:00:15 PM
Hey if you pre-ordered off Steam does it automatically download the DLC stuff for you?
Nah you have to dl'd it in game.
It will ask for your codes to redeem, which steam should have sent in email or be somewhere in receipt for purchase
Looking at it now, those three dlc items you get in the CE seem ridiculously powerful. The item it gave me was some belt with +5% resist to all elements.
Re: blood stains and DLC: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/11/9/
Quote from: ulmont on November 07, 2009, 09:57:43 PM
Re: blood stains and DLC: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/11/9/
:lol:
I was pretty annoyed when I got to that guy and waded through his very long conversation tree just to find out the whole thing was an advertisement for paid dlc.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 07, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
Quote from: Syt on November 07, 2009, 06:35:56 AM
God, I hate the annoying mage bitch. I replaced her on the party first chance I got.
Though it should be fun to play an "evil" character with her in the party.
Should have kept her a bit longer, its fun to hear the banter between her and the ex templar.
Yes, but I doubt I could keep her happy for long, being already at -25 or so with her (and I don't have many gifts yet). Though I figure Sten will be a bit similar. But I like his Frankenstein's monster look and taking things literally.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 07, 2009, 10:29:01 PM
Quote from: ulmont on November 07, 2009, 09:57:43 PM
Re: blood stains and DLC: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/11/9/
:lol:
I was pretty annoyed when I got to that guy and waded through his very long conversation tree just to find out the whole thing was an advertisement for paid dlc.
The comic does have a point, though. Plenty people will complain, but a lot of those people will buy it, anyways.
Re: blood. I turned the permanent effects off, because
- all characters have the same blood splatter overlay which looks a bit lame to see them all with the same spots in the face during conversations
- it would be much cooler if it would start with a few splatters and become more and more
- I'd prefer it fades with time instead of staying on all the time until you change clothes
Some of those fights in Redcliffe are pretty damn tough. I play on easy (as usually in such games - I'm more interested in progressing the story than in repeating a fight ten times), but some of the fights are still tough nailbiters.
I'm especially annoyed that Sten keeps getting knocked out. He has the best armor, and I set him to a somewhat defensive stance, and even though I use my PC and Alistair to get some mobs off of Sten he still manages to burn through health potions and get killed in a disturbing fashion.
So a 26 pages thread means I should buy it if I enjoyed Baldur's Gate?
I got the game! :w00t:
I'm an elf mage now, specializing in Spirit magic.
I have already been called godless by the damn bitch priestess at the war camp, after I asked her how she feels about oppression and subjugation of elves done in her god's name. :cool:
Quote from: Syt on November 08, 2009, 06:33:34 AM
Some of those fights in Redcliffe are pretty damn tough. I play on easy (as usually in such games - I'm more interested in progressing the story than in repeating a fight ten times), but some of the fights are still tough nailbiters.
I'm especially annoyed that Sten keeps getting knocked out. He has the best armor, and I set him to a somewhat defensive stance, and even though I use my PC and Alistair to get some mobs off of Sten he still manages to burn through health potions and get killed in a disturbing fashion.
I play on hard most of the time and Redcliffe was hell. I had to switch to easy at one point.
I think maybe you need the witch, she's saved my butt many times.
I'm playing on the lowest difficulty level, because I don't like strategy, just casting flashy spells. :P
Is it me or are the tactics a bitch? So far I haven't used any. I just hack and slash. I've just completed my testing to enter the Grey Warden.
I'm trying to bed Allistair. when i met him i told him i was looking to adventure with him and he responded: well that's a switch! :P
G.
The online account stuff is totally fucked up. I finally managed to create an account but I can't stay logged in. What's the deal?
OK I got it to work I think. Thanks for being sucktastic, website.
Quote from: The Brain on November 08, 2009, 07:45:47 AM
The online account stuff is totally fucked up. I finally managed to create an account but I can't stay logged in. What's the deal?
For me it doesn't show downloadable content, though I guess it should.
I can't decide what character to play. I can't even decide on male or female. :(
Any pointer to the fight with the ogre (I thought he was an archdemon at first!) atop Ishual Tower?
G.
Kite him a lot.
I managed to kill him.
And here's my adorably cute young rogue, Raistlin Cuesland. :wub:
G.
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Quote from: Syt on November 08, 2009, 06:33:34 AM
Some of those fights in Redcliffe are pretty damn tough. I play on easy (as usually in such games - I'm more interested in progressing the story than in repeating a fight ten times), but some of the fights are still tough nailbiters.
I wont post a spoiler but there are tactics you can use to make those fights pretty easy. When the game hints say you need to vary your tactics depending on situations they really mean it.
One small hint. Pay attention to your physical surroundings - in really tough battles there is often more you can do then just use the skills of your party members.
Quote from: Grallon on November 08, 2009, 09:38:36 AM
Any pointer to the fight with the ogre (I thought he was an archdemon at first!) atop Ishual Tower?
G.
You need to keep your ranged away from him. Send in your tank and keep him healed and keep aggro on him. Its a basic MMO battle.
Quote from: Syt on November 08, 2009, 07:50:14 AM
Quote from: The Brain on November 08, 2009, 07:45:47 AM
The online account stuff is totally fucked up. I finally managed to create an account but I can't stay logged in. What's the deal?
For me it doesn't show downloadable content, though I guess it should.
You need to be logged on in the game I think.
I'm finding it impossible to get anyone in this game to like me. No matter what I do someone gets pissed off. Even Alistair is barely above 0 and I listen to his whining all day without complaint, gave him some presents, and took care of a problem for him.
The only one who likes me is my dog Cuddles.
Quote from: syk on November 08, 2009, 06:36:23 AM
So a 26 pages thread means I should buy it if I enjoyed Baldur's Gate?
Yes, its good fun.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 08, 2009, 10:32:26 AM
I'm finding it impossible to get anyone in this game to like me. No matter what I do someone gets pissed off. Even Alistair is barely above 0 and I listen to his whining all day without complaint, gave him some presents, and took care of a problem for him.
The only one who likes me is my dog Cuddles.
Leliana has warmed up to me to the point where I could have asked her if she was into women. I told her that she's a cherished friend. :goodboy:
Then she told me at length about the shoe fashion in Orlais. :bleeding:
You'll find hints as to who likes what gifts in their character descriptions in the index.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 08, 2009, 10:31:22 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 08, 2009, 07:50:14 AM
Quote from: The Brain on November 08, 2009, 07:45:47 AM
The online account stuff is totally fucked up. I finally managed to create an account but I can't stay logged in. What's the deal?
For me it doesn't show downloadable content, though I guess it should.
You need to be logged on in the game I think.
I am.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 08, 2009, 10:32:26 AM
I'm finding it impossible to get anyone in this game to like me. No matter what I do someone gets pissed off. Even Alistair is barely above 0 and I listen to his whining all day without complaint, gave him some presents, and took care of a problem for him.
The only one who likes me is my dog Cuddles.
Morrigan seems to like me well enough, I just talked to her about her life in the Wilds, agreed with her conclusions on the Chantry, etc and gave her a ring. She likes jewelry as a gift. So now we're snogging each other on the road much to Alistairs annoyance.
Btw, how do you rotate members in and out of your party?:blush: I'm just about wrapping Lothering village up.
Quote from: Legbiter on November 08, 2009, 11:17:22 AM
Btw, how do you rotate members in and out of your party?:blush: I'm just about wrapping Lothering village up.
Button in the top-center menu, second from the right I think. It's greyed out until you get a fifth party member.
Quote from: FunkMonk on November 08, 2009, 11:32:26 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on November 08, 2009, 11:17:22 AM
Btw, how do you rotate members in and out of your party?:blush: I'm just about wrapping Lothering village up.
Button in the top-center menu, second from the right I think. It's greyed out until you get a fifth party member.
Yeah just found Leliana and it opened up.
Quote from: Grallon on November 08, 2009, 09:38:36 AM
Any pointer to the fight with the ogre (I thought he was an archdemon at first!) atop Ishual Tower?
G.
Well I'm playing on low difficulty, but out of my two characters, I noticed a mage had a much easier time. Essentially anything to slow him down or paralyse or whatever is a good idea.
I loved the part when Morrigan implied Alistair is a bottom. :lol:
And if you enjoy blood being splattered everywhere 99% of the time. :P
So should I get this game on pc (playing on my laptop with the annoying lap top mouse) or on console?
Quote from: Korea on November 08, 2009, 12:39:55 PM
So should I get this game on pc (playing on my laptop with the annoying lap top mouse) or on console?
PC.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 08, 2009, 10:30:01 AM
You need to keep your ranged away from him. Send in your tank and keep him healed and keep aggro on him. Its a basic MMO battle.
I rarely group in MMOs remember? besides the controls for these character are somewhat clumsier than those of LotRO or WoW. Is there any healing other than through poultices and potions anyway?
In any event I decreased the difficulty to Easy and we downed him.
G.
Also I'd like to see what you all look like. So take screen shots and post them.
If you're all like me your characters are either:
a) an approximation of the guys or girls you'd like to bed (mine is)
b) an approximation of the guys or girls you'd like to look like
:D
G.
Quote from: Grallon on November 08, 2009, 01:31:00 PM
Is there any healing other than through poultices and potions anyway?
You can recruit the NPC mage at Circle Tower, or make your main a mage and focus in healing spells :P
Did the Mage circle thingy today....that bit in the fade was amazing....liking this game more and more.
I cannot beat the Broodmother in Dwarven underground, she is f&%$ing hard.
I must say I kinda like the Mila Jovovich chick. The stories she tells are cool.
The game is cool. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Grallon on November 08, 2009, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 08, 2009, 10:30:01 AM
You need to keep your ranged away from him. Send in your tank and keep him healed and keep aggro on him. Its a basic MMO battle.
I rarely group in MMOs remember? besides the controls for these character are somewhat clumsier than those of LotRO or WoW. Is there any healing other than through poultices and potions anyway?
In any event I decreased the difficulty to Easy and we downed him.
G.
Having a Tank keep aggro while the dpsers take him down is as basic as it gets.
Also, the controls are as precise as you want to make them. There is no pause in an MMO so I really have no idea what you are talking about. You can give each member of your party blow by blow instructions.
Quote from: Martinus on November 08, 2009, 03:44:01 PM
I must say I kinda like the Mila Jovovich chick. The stories she tells are cool.
:huh:
I patched the game and now it doesn't run. Brilliant design.
Quote from: katmai on November 08, 2009, 04:27:33 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 08, 2009, 03:44:01 PM
I must say I kinda like the Mila Jovovich chick. The stories she tells are cool.
:huh:
What do you mean by that? Disagreeing that her stories are cool or that she is not like Mila Jovovich? She is pretty much a Joan of Arc as played by Mila, as far as I am concerned. :P
And I found the fix.
Quote from: Legbiter on November 08, 2009, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 08, 2009, 10:32:26 AM
I'm finding it impossible to get anyone in this game to like me. No matter what I do someone gets pissed off. Even Alistair is barely above 0 and I listen to his whining all day without complaint, gave him some presents, and took care of a problem for him.
The only one who likes me is my dog Cuddles.
Morrigan seems to like me well enough, I just talked to her about her life in the Wilds, agreed with her conclusions on the Chantry, etc and gave her a ring. She likes jewelry as a gift. So now we're snogging each other on the road much to Alistairs annoyance.
Btw, how do you rotate members in and out of your party?:blush: I'm just about wrapping Lothering village up.
Morrigan pretty much hates my guts. And that's after I was agreeing with her about freedom and stuff. I told her that I want her to carry on with the party and my relationship with her dropped by 10. There is no pleasing that chick. Maybe she doesn't like gay elf mages. :P
Aleister, on the other hand, is pretty much my best bud, and I haven't even done any of his personal quest yet.
No one likes gay elf mages...well maybe the brain, but that's it.
Quote from: katmai on November 08, 2009, 04:47:01 PM
No one likes gay elf mages...well maybe the brain, but that's it.
WTF
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Here's my elf mage for grallon. :P
Quote from: Barrister on November 07, 2009, 08:38:39 PM
hmm... maybe I should try Walmart then...
Nothing at Walmart. :(
And here's my human nobleman (the pictures are not too good since I don't know how to take screenshots on Xbox so they are taken with my iPhone off the screen :P)
Man I love the fights in this game. This is the first time since the Infinity Engine games that I have to come up with a good strategy and execute it and it means the difference between getting crushed or an easy win.
I haven't gotten killed once yet (playing on Normal difficulty), and I just got done beating the Ogre in the Tower of Ishal (sp?) :cool:
Quote from: Martinus on November 08, 2009, 05:24:08 PM
Here's my elf mage for grallon. :P
I find you choice of toons disturbing. Christ they're both ugly! I thought you would have gone for the blond muscular jock type you say you like!
G.
Quote from: Caliga on November 08, 2009, 06:41:06 PM
I haven't gotten killed once yet (playing on Normal difficulty), and I just got done beating the Ogre in the Tower of Ishal (sp?) :cool:
You will. There are some encounters, and not just bosses, I think are very difficult to beat without dieing once. Once you know what happens you can figure out a strategy.
I don't understand. Most of the time I can play without logging in. But two times now I've gotten a message saying I can't load this save which contains the Stone Prisoner DLC without logging in. :huh:
If you really can't play without logging in if you have it installed I'll probably delete the dlc after my first play through.
I hope this isn't like windows live. I never got that to work.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 08, 2009, 09:00:37 PM
I don't understand. Most of the time I can play without logging in. But two times now I've gotten a message saying I can't load this save which contains the Stone Prisoner DLC without logging in. :huh:
If you really can't play without logging in if you have it installed I'll probably delete the dlc after my first play through.
Xbox 2, PC 3. ^_^
Quote from: Kleves on November 08, 2009, 09:25:40 PM
Xbox 2, PC 3. ^_^
You left a couple zeros off of the PC score
Quote from: Grallon on November 08, 2009, 01:32:43 PM
Also I'd like to see what you all look like. So take screen shots and post them.
If you're all like me your characters are either:
a) an approximation of the guys or girls you'd like to bed (mine is)
b) an approximation of the guys or girls you'd like to look like
I can't decide if I want to be him, or sleep with him :(
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My only complaint about the xbox version is the limited (6?) skill slots. I cant believe they couldnt come up with a better system than that. :P
Quote from: Grallon on November 08, 2009, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 08, 2009, 05:24:08 PM
Here's my elf mage for grallon. :P
I find you choice of toons disturbing. Christ they're both ugly! I thought you would have gone for the blond muscular jock type you say you like!
G.
Well I can't be arsed to spend hours upon hours trying to tweak the settings for them to look good. :P
Anyway, I settled for my "main" character: Rufus Cousland (he looks like the last picture a bit, although more red-headed), second son of the theyrn (sp?), and a warrior specializing in dual weapon combat and some off-spec persuasion abilities. Animations for that combat style are awesome - I keep beheading and stabbing left and right. :D
Quote from: Jaron on November 09, 2009, 12:23:07 AM
My only complaint about the xbox version is the limited (6?) skill slots. I cant believe they couldnt come up with a better system than that. :P
Yeah, although at least the game pauses when you access the radial menu, so it is not that all bad (I moved all the sustained abilities and healing potions there for example and keep the skill slots for active, mid-combat skills). Still, yeah it is a pain especially if you go for a mage (a warrior, especially one like a dual wielding one, where 4 of your skills are passive, is much easier to play).
Btw, could someone explain to me the concept of tactical stances? How does it work exactly?
Quote from: Martinus on November 09, 2009, 03:01:02 AM
Btw, could someone explain to me the concept of tactical stances? How does it work exactly?
http://dragonage.gulbsoft.org/doku.php/ai/tactics
Quote from: Monoriu on November 09, 2009, 03:11:41 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 09, 2009, 03:01:02 AM
Btw, could someone explain to me the concept of tactical stances? How does it work exactly?
http://dragonage.gulbsoft.org/doku.php/ai/tactics
Oh, so they are for the characters you are not controlling? Nvm then - I just let them do their thing and only control my PC. :P
Also, grallon, why would I make a character I'd want to have sex with, if I have Alistair? :P
He looks a lot like one of my fuck buddies too. Hott. :blush:
I still haven't figured out how to use the tactics effectively.
I made a shield + sword tank so I'm trying to transform Alistair into a 2handed beast of mayhem.
@ Grallon, no Screenshot but he looks like a dwarf.
It feels like this game has too much level scaling. I can take out a dragon, then on the walk home I get the utter shit kicked out of me by a pack of wolves.
I had a random encounter, and was overjoyed to see it was just regular wolves and not some kind of darkspawn monster. But the wolves utterly destroyed my level 10 party in one minute.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 09, 2009, 07:31:30 AM
It feels like this game has too much level scaling. I can take out a dragon, then on the walk home I get the utter shit kicked out of me by a pack of wolves.
I had a random encounter, and was overjoyed to see it was just regular wolves and not some kind of darkspawn monster. But the wolves utterly destroyed my level 10 party in one minute.
Yeah, it does smack of the ridiculous.
Hey I just picked up the Golem as a party member....and it's Grallon incarnate. :huh: ;)
You guys turning this into a gay masturbation thread, whereas in fact this game has stuff like cutscenes with you talking to a hot redhead girl covered in blood.
Exactly.
Any of you guys on Bioware's social network thingy website?
My game keeps taking Screenshot, hopefully they'll be uploaded at some point.
Btw, funny feature: you can let your dog clean your blood stained armor.
For those of you who've gone through Redcliff(spell?) did you or did you not kill Connor? I did - thx to the simple but effective script, and the great acting I actually felt torn! - and had a major row with Alistair afterwards. Since my character is slowly falling for him I've been showering the young templar with gifts, so I could finally be able court him openly; but a -27 in relation was crushing. :weep:
And I *love* the rogue double-bladed fighting style!
G.
Quote from: Grallon on November 09, 2009, 10:38:57 AM
For those of you who've gone through Redcliff(spell?) did you or did you not kill Connor? I did - thx to the simple but effective script, and the great acting I actually felt torn! - and had a major row with Alistair afterwards.
I left him, and instead went to fetch help from the Circle of Magi ... which I yet have to finish. ;)
But yeah, it was a bit difficult. It's those ambiguities where Bioware's games shine most - when there's no obvious "right" or "wrong".
Those weren't the only two options. I didn't do either of those. :cool:
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 09, 2009, 11:44:10 AM
Those weren't the only two options. I didn't do either of those. :cool:
There was also the bloodmage option, righht?
I've gotten help from the circle, and I've done the blood mage option. Both are quite satisfying.
Yeah, that involved... making a blood sacrifice of the mother (which she volunteers for) so that Morrigan could enter the fade and destroy the demon possessing the kid. Saves the kid, but still made Alistair mad, but only -9
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 09, 2009, 07:31:30 AM
It feels like this game has too much level scaling. I can take out a dragon, then on the walk home I get the utter shit kicked out of me by a pack of wolves.
I had a random encounter, and was overjoyed to see it was just regular wolves and not some kind of darkspawn monster. But the wolves utterly destroyed my level 10 party in one minute.
Bioware always struggles with combat balance. Obsidian/Black Isle has always been better at that...Bioware is just better at most everything else.
I've found the random encounters while travelling to be way too difficult. To the point I reload at the start and try again until I get something easy.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 09, 2009, 12:09:31 PM
I've found the random encounters while travelling to be way too difficult. To the point I reload at the start and try again until I get something easy.
You are not kidding. The way they position the archers/mages and so forth is downright diabolical.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 08, 2009, 10:32:26 AM
I'm finding it impossible to get anyone in this game to like me. No matter what I do someone gets pissed off. Even Alistair is barely above 0 and I listen to his whining all day without complaint, gave him some presents, and took care of a problem for him.
The only one who likes me is my dog Cuddles.
I fucked the Witch, I'm trying as hard as I can with the sister but it doesn't seem to work. The Elf wanted to fuck me (beurk), Alistair adores me, looks at me as role model. Sten neither likes nor hate me, no matter what I do. The old mage kind likes me too. Well, everyone likes me, I think.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 07, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
Quote from: Syt on November 07, 2009, 06:35:56 AM
God, I hate the annoying mage bitch. I replaced her on the party first chance I got.
Though it should be fun to play an "evil" character with her in the party.
Should have kept her a bit longer, its fun to hear the banter between her and the ex templar.
- So are you gonna suck the life out of him?
- If I feel the need to suck anything from you, you'll be the first to know.
:D
Hey, I like that character :D
Quote from: Grallon on November 08, 2009, 09:38:36 AM
Any pointer to the fight with the ogre (I thought he was an archdemon at first!) atop Ishual Tower?
Hack&slash 'til it dies. Filthy beast.
[SPOILER]
Now, for the future ogres you'll meet:In the Circle's tower, in the dream 'thing, use your morph ability to become a stone golem and kill the darn thing. If you have the Stone Golem DLC, use this character to attack future ogres.[/]
Quote from: viper37 on November 09, 2009, 12:30:34 PM
- So are you gonna suck the life out of him?
- If I feel the need to suck anything from you, you'll be the first to know.
:D
Hey, I like that character :D
Leliana and Alistair also have some fun lines when he asks her for advice on how to court a woman he's interested in.
One starts, "So, you're female, right?" :XD:
I'm wondering how distraught Grallon will be when he finds out that Alistair won't fall for his male character.
Quote from: Grallon on November 09, 2009, 10:38:57 AM
For those of you who've gone through Redcliff(spell?) did you or did you not kill Connor? I did - thx to the simple but effective script, and the great acting I actually felt torn! - and had a major row with Alistair afterwards. Since my character is slowly falling for him I've been showering the young templar with gifts, so I could finally be able court him openly; but a -27 in relation was crushing. :weep:
And I *love* the rogue double-bladed fighting style!
G.
got help from the magi. Big +relations with Allistair.
Quote from: Valmy on November 09, 2009, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 09, 2009, 12:09:31 PM
I've found the random encounters while travelling to be way too difficult. To the point I reload at the start and try again until I get something easy.
You are not kidding. The way they position the archers/mages and so forth is downright diabolical.
just wait 'til you are in Denerim. Awful.
Dear hod, that Fade maze bit is both tedious and boring. I guess I will need till the end of the week to get through that bit due to lack of enthusiasm.
Quote from: Grallon on November 09, 2009, 10:38:57 AM
For those of you who've gone through Redcliff(spell?) did you or did you not kill Connor? I did - thx to the simple but effective script, and the great acting I actually felt torn! - and had a major row with Alistair afterwards. Since my character is slowly falling for him I've been showering the young templar with gifts, so I could finally be able court him openly; but a -27 in relation was crushing. :weep:
And I *love* the rogue double-bladed fighting style!
G.
There are some great options there. Killing him is the easy way and also the most boring. The next time you play it try to kill the demon controlling him in the shade. I didnt use the blood mage method - I went to get the help from the circle which led me on another great series of plot lines.
If you do it this way Alister will think highly of you.
Quote from: Syt on November 09, 2009, 02:45:12 PM
Dear hod, that Fade maze bit is both tedious and boring. I guess I will need till the end of the week to get through that bit due to lack of enthusiasm.
I thought it was great.
Did you get all the forms to do it properly?
Edit: not to mention it is a huge stat bump fest.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 09, 2009, 02:50:41 PM
Quote from: Syt on November 09, 2009, 02:45:12 PM
Dear hod, that Fade maze bit is both tedious and boring. I guess I will need till the end of the week to get through that bit due to lack of enthusiasm.
Edit: not to mention it is a huge stat bump fest.
Indeed it is.
Quote from: Syt on November 09, 2009, 02:45:12 PM
Dear hod, that Fade maze bit is both tedious and boring. I guess I will need till the end of the week to get through that bit due to lack of enthusiasm.
Really? I thought it was awesome.
Quote from: Martinus on November 09, 2009, 03:42:56 AM
Also, grallon, why would I make a character I'd want to have sex with, if I have Alistair? :P
He looks a lot like one of my fuck buddies too. Hott. :blush:
I hate to break it to you but Alistair is completely hetero. :P
Also, I noticed that Arl Howe is voiced by Tim Curry. :wub:
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 09, 2009, 02:49:45 PM
There are some great options there. Killing him is the easy way and also the most boring. The next time you play it try to kill the demon controlling him in the shade. I didnt use the blood mage method - I went to get the help from the circle which led me on another great series of plot lines.
If you do it this way Alister will think highly of you.
As a SPOILER on this:
[If you do the bloodmage option and then make a deal with the demon in the Fade, you will be able to unlock the Blood Mage spec for all your future playthroughs. You can even just save beforehand, unlock it, and then reload.]
Quote from: Solmyr on November 09, 2009, 04:04:46 PM
Also, I noticed that Arl Howe is voiced by Tim Curry. :wub:
I realized about a third of the way through the dialogue with her that the Witch of the Wilds was voiced by Kate Mulgrew. Once I realized that I could only think of the character as Captain Janeway. :blush:
Whats the best strategy when comes the 2nd test of Andraste atop the mountain? i can't kill my party's avatars one at a time from a distance since they appear only after we enter the room.
G.
Here is Lorcan Cousland, great and fearsome leader of men:
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Quote from: Valmy on November 09, 2009, 05:34:39 PM
Here is Lorcan Cousland, great and fearsome leader of men:
Does anybody in the game ever comment on how you're covered in blood always?
Not that i recall :lol:
oh and my city elf warrior
I changed no options, and I'm never covered in blood. Do you have to turn that on or what?
Also: The golem is awesome. Like TK-47.
So, I have Shale now. Wonderful character, hilarious, and I think I'll keep it as one of my four to see what it says.
But....I was not happy that the girl died because I couldn't do the sliding puzzle. I wanted to kill Kitty and keep the girl alive.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 09, 2009, 02:50:41 PM
Quote from: Syt on November 09, 2009, 02:45:12 PM
Dear hod, that Fade maze bit is both tedious and boring. I guess I will need till the end of the week to get through that bit due to lack of enthusiasm.
I thought it was great.
Did you get all the forms to do it properly?
Edit: not to mention it is a huge stat bump fest.
I thought it was a great idea. But after obtaining two forms (mouse & spirit) it turns out to be mostly filler where you run the maze, trying to find the next key, err, form to unlock the next part.
I guess Syt is trying to fill the void after Vinnie...
Quote from: Martinus on November 10, 2009, 02:58:27 AM
I guess Syt is trying to fill the void after Vinnie...
:huh:
Just because I don't enjoy one part in an otherwise very fun game?
I now want to restart as a high-persuasion, high-intellect city elf rogue (bard). :ph34r:
Got the game, and am enjoying it, but not finding it in any way groundbreaking yet (I've just finished the opening as a human noble). It reminds me very much of The Witcher, in that you get the feeling that you are in a movie in which everyone knows the lines and the plot but you, and your job is to figure out what you are supposed to say and to whom. No freeplay yet; I have been doing everything as instructed ("go there immediately and do this!") and discovering that this is a stupid way to play, as you miss all of the opportunities to explore and loot. Clearly, this is a game that will take a couple of playings to get "right."
The unrealistic anatomies and bad camera controls remove any chance for suspension of disbelief for me, though this may change as I get more familiar with the tactics system and can set my party NPCs on "automatic." I am frankly surprised that the human models are so awkward and ugly. Voice acting, as many have noted, is superb.
The fighting is moderately challenging and by far the most fun thing in the game. It took me forever to find a bow, though - must have killed 25 bowman, not one of whom was actually armed with a bow, as it turns out! :lol: I think I missed the chance to loot the one bowman who dd have a bow earlier in the first series of combats.
I like the way you find out during your initiation that the Grey wardens are not "good guys." That was probably the only event in the game that actually surprised me. The rest of the initial story was absolutely predictable. I knew as soon as I heard the battle plan and got assigned to go to the top of the tower what would happen on the way there and what would happen when I got to the top. It is what seemingly happens in every game like this.
So far, I would rate this game so far as a 7. It has its moments, but in none of them did I feel any emotional commitment. It is all far too predictable and the presentation and graphics are not nearly good enough to be immersive. Fun? Yes, but in the way that War in the Pacific was fun, not in the way that Morrowind was fun.
Yeah I agree with grumbler
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 08:00:07 AM
The rest of the initial story was absolutely predictable. I knew as soon as I heard the battle plan and got assigned to go to the top of the tower what would happen on the way there and what would happen when I got to the top. It is what seemingly happens in every game like this.
Agreed. It was so painfully obvious that I think they must have made it so on purpose. Maybe the writers think people like having their egos stroked when they "figure out" what's going to happen in advance due to the foreshadowing. I know nothing about writing theory so I dunno if this is something writers strive to do on occasion or what.
Quote from: Caliga on November 10, 2009, 08:04:50 AM
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 08:00:07 AM
Maybe the writers think people like having their egos stroked when they "figure out" what's going to happen in advance due to the foreshadowing.
I had that feeling during the mage test when the other mage guy started to convince me to help him out of there. Was painfully obvious from the second sentence, so it was not a big riddle or anything.
Yeah, I had the same reaction... I do think the thing with the Tower of Ishal was more obvious, though.
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 08:00:07 AM
I like the way you find out during your initiation that the Grey wardens are not "good guys." That was probably the only event in the game that actually surprised me.
I expected something bad to happen, and while #1 was fairly obvious, #2 took me actually more by surprise.
Quote from: Caliga on November 10, 2009, 08:18:52 AM
Yeah, I had the same reaction... I do think the thing with the Tower of Ishal was more obvious, though.
Yeah, the betrayal was intentionally "leaked" though, when the plan-discussion finished the betrayer dude turned away and said something like "glorious indeed" or something like that. That was so obvious and so villainy, you knew what was going to happen.
I don't have a problem with foreshadowing and predictability, to be honest. I see this as a conscious design decision for at least two reasons:
1. Roleplayers are jaded. We have seen it all - undead innkeepers putting poison in our oatmeals or comely wenches turning into demons from hell. So unless you really go out there (in which case people would bitch it is a stretch or deus ex machina or unrealistic), you can't come up with the story that will be surprising to everybody. The way I approach such stories, I roleplay my character and whether he would be surprised by the turn of events.
2. If you had totally unexpected turns of action, this would actually make the game un-replayable.
Quote from: Caliga on November 10, 2009, 08:04:50 AM
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 08:00:07 AM
The rest of the initial story was absolutely predictable. I knew as soon as I heard the battle plan and got assigned to go to the top of the tower what would happen on the way there and what would happen when I got to the top. It is what seemingly happens in every game like this.
Agreed. It was so painfully obvious that I think they must have made it so on purpose. Maybe the writers think people like having their egos stroked when they "figure out" what's going to happen in advance due to the foreshadowing. I know nothing about writing theory so I dunno if this is something writers strive to do on occasion or what.
in games, foreshadowing can be heavy handed, because some gamers do not pay that much attention to stuff like story and plot.
I don't think it's about ego stroking, it more like making sure the player doesn't lose track of what you are supposed to do next.
wrt Grumbler's comment about about sidequests, I would say since its Bioware: "do them all and put off the main plot as long as possible." never hurts to level up some more, and time-sensitive storyliness are usually not an issue.
:yes: The side quest thing is Bioware's MO... it's like that in every one of their games.
"OMG it's urgent that you go kill this guy and save the universe! ... But if you first want to find Farmer Joe's lost cow in the forest, that's cool too."
Quote from: Caliga on November 10, 2009, 08:48:57 AM
:yes: The side quest thing is Bioware's MO... it's like that in every one of their games.
"OMG it's urgent that you go kill this guy and save the universe! ... But if you first want to find Farmer Joe's lost cow in the forest, that's cool too."
exactimundo. finding that cow will give you needed quest experience. and maybe some cool loot too.
Well, that's the standard fantasy game fare, anyway. :P
Quote from: Syt on November 10, 2009, 08:19:23 AM
I expected something bad to happen, and while #1 was fairly obvious, #2 took me actually more by surprise.
Exactly. The second event was nicely done, because it completely changed your view of the Grey Wardens and the extent to which even your own involvement was voluntary.
Quote from: Tamas on November 10, 2009, 08:34:12 AM
Yeah, the betrayal was intentionally "leaked" though, when the plan-discussion finished the betrayer dude turned away and said something like "glorious indeed" or something like that. That was so obvious and so villainy, you knew what was going to happen.
Yes, but you knew even before that. The whole plan was so illogical that you knew it had to be done that way to set up another bad guy. There is no reason why the guys in an impregnable castle need to attack the Rnotorcs except as part of a plot device.
Quote from: Martinus on November 10, 2009, 08:38:37 AM
I don't have a problem with foreshadowing and predictability, to be honest. I see this as a conscious design decision for at least two reasons:
1. Roleplayers are jaded. We have seen it all - undead innkeepers putting poison in our oatmeals or comely wenches turning into demons from hell. So unless you really go out there (in which case people would bitch it is a stretch or deus ex machina or unrealistic), you can't come up with the story that will be surprising to everybody. The way I approach such stories, I roleplay my character and whether he would be surprised by the turn of events.
2. If you had totally unexpected turns of action, this would actually make the game un-replayable.
I guess we just have different standards, and play different games. This game does not meet my standards for unexpected events and complex plot, when others have.
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 10, 2009, 08:19:23 AM
I expected something bad to happen, and while #1 was fairly obvious, #2 took me actually more by surprise.
Exactly. The second event was nicely done, because it completely changed your view of the Grey Wardens and the extent to which even your own involvement was voluntary.
I don't know if you got to that point, but if you get Alistair to like you he will tell you more "bad" stuff about Grey Wardens.
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: Tamas on November 10, 2009, 08:34:12 AM
Yeah, the betrayal was intentionally "leaked" though, when the plan-discussion finished the betrayer dude turned away and said something like "glorious indeed" or something like that. That was so obvious and so villainy, you knew what was going to happen.
Yes, but you knew even before that. The whole plan was so illogical that you knew it had to be done that way to set up another bad guy. There is no reason why the guys in an impregnable castle need to attack the Rnotorcs except as part of a plot device.
I thought the castle wasn't impregnable - my impression was it was a ruined castle that was just a good place to pretty much settle a camp and set up lookouts, but it was no Helm's Deep.
Besides, the King was confident of his victory and numerical superiority - again, it wasn't a Helm's Deep situation, at least in his perception - he was hoping to finish off the invasion in one battle and go home.
Quote from: Martinus on November 10, 2009, 09:29:56 AM
Well, that's the standard fantasy game fare, anyway. :P
some games are far far more linear.
Quote from: Tamas on November 10, 2009, 08:34:12 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 10, 2009, 08:18:52 AM
Yeah, I had the same reaction... I do think the thing with the Tower of Ishal was more obvious, though.
Yeah, the betrayal was intentionally "leaked" though, when the plan-discussion finished the betrayer dude turned away and said something like "glorious indeed" or something like that. That was so obvious and so villainy, you knew what was going to happen.
Wow aren't you guys smart. Do you want a cookie?
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 10:33:40 AM
Wow aren't you guys smart. Do you want a cookie?
:mellow:
Dude, none of us are bragging "OMG I AM SMRT I FIGURED IT OUT!!!111" or anything. More like, "Wow, that was hardly shocking." I guess the question is whether the writers wanted it to be or not.
Quote from: saskganesh on November 10, 2009, 08:46:21 AM
wrt Grumbler's comment about about sidequests, I would say since its Bioware: "do them all and put off the main plot as long as possible." never hurts to level up some more, and time-sensitive storyliness are usually not an issue.
Yeah, that's what I have learned. "Immediately" in a quest command means "sometime this year." A little bit immersion-breaking, but, once understood, acceptable. I think I will probably restart the game to get access to all of that stuff I have been leaving behind when the cutscenes unexpectedly yank my character out of the story and place it somewhere else.
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 10:33:40 AM
Wow aren't you guys smart. Do you want a cookie?
:lol: They need their epeen moments - don't spoil it.
G.
:frusty:
Personnally, I was totally surprise by the events following the Tower ones.
Still am. I want him back.
Quote from: Martinus on November 10, 2009, 10:03:05 AM
I thought the castle wasn't impregnable - my impression was it was a ruined castle that was just a good place to pretty much settle a camp and set up lookouts, but it was no Helm's Deep.
My character was inside the castle, and the walls were pretty obviously over 100 feet from the ground.
QuoteBesides, the King was confident of his victory and numerical superiority - again, it wasn't a Helm's Deep situation, at least in his perception - he was hoping to finish off the invasion in one battle and go home.
I understand that the king was supposed to be more than a bit thick, but, again, that doesn't mean that the outcome of his stupidity is unexpected. It makes the game less fun when you know that whatever you do is pointless, because the plot has already been written with just one ending.
Quote from: Caliga on November 10, 2009, 10:52:26 AM
:frusty:
I don't understand why you would even read posts from Valmy or Grallon. They don't bother to read yours before insulting you.
It is, as Gral would have it, "their epeen moment" when they think for some reason that they are so much smarter than we are. Just ignore them, and watch those epeens shrivel. :D
Less penis, please.
Quote from: Martinus on November 10, 2009, 10:03:05 AMBesides, the King was confident of his victory and numerical superiority - again, it wasn't a Helm's Deep situation, at least in his perception - he was hoping to finish off the invasion in one battle and go home.
The King was an idiot who got what he deserved. I was actually rather pleased when Loghain did the sensible thing and withdrew in good order. I hope that when I catch up with him he won't go all "Mwhuhahaha, Ferelden is MINE" on me.
Quote from: Caliga on November 10, 2009, 10:50:42 AM
Dude, none of us are bragging "OMG I AM SMRT I FIGURED IT OUT!!!111" or anything. More like, "Wow, that was hardly shocking." I guess the question is whether the writers wanted it to be or not.
Yeah that was why I responded the way I did. I don't think anything was intended to be a big shocker. It was pretty obvious when you got to Ostagar that bad shit was going to go down man and likely Loghain was going to have something to do with it...the primary question I have is Loghain's motivations but I have not gotten that far in the game yet.
It sounded like Tamas was complaining about it than merely observing it.
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 11:05:33 AM
I don't understand why you would even read posts from Valmy or Grallon. They don't bother to read yours before insulting you.
What you talkin' about Willis? Me and Caliga are good buddies.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 10, 2009, 01:43:39 AM
So, I have Shale now. Wonderful character, hilarious, and I think I'll keep it as one of my four to see what it says.
But....I was not happy that the girl died because I couldn't do the sliding puzzle. I wanted to kill Kitty and keep the girl alive.
You can save the girl if a) First you agree to free the demon in exchange for not possessing the girl, and b) After you do the puzzle and she breaks the deal, get her upset so the girl gets scared and runs away.
The sliding puzzle isn't too difficult to solve, just need to rotate the right directional tiles into sequence.
Legbiter: I am a bit further in the story and so far it does feel like Loghain is trying to do what he thinks is best for the kingdom (in a Lawful Evil way).
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 10:50:53 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on November 10, 2009, 08:46:21 AM
wrt Grumbler's comment about about sidequests, I would say since its Bioware: "do them all and put off the main plot as long as possible." never hurts to level up some more, and time-sensitive storyliness are usually not an issue.
Yeah, that's what I have learned. "Immediately" in a quest command means "sometime this year." A little bit immersion-breaking, but, once understood, acceptable. I think I will probably restart the game to get access to all of that stuff I have been leaving behind when the cutscenes unexpectedly yank my character out of the story and place it somewhere else.
ya, it may seem that time is of the essence, but really . in game time, you have all the time in the world.
first few times I played the BGs, I tried to be in a rush. But missed a lot of good stuff, and so died too often in the hard parts. Now I play more... methodically.
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 11:52:27 AM
What you talkin' about Willis? Me and Caliga are good buddies.
Grumbler mistook your Frankish love of mockery for active dislike. ;)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 10, 2009, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 11:52:27 AM
What you talkin' about Willis? Me and Caliga are good buddies.
Grumbler mistook your Frankish love of mockery for active dislike. ;)
So did Tamas, Caliga and everyone else but you. ;)
Quote from: saskganesh on November 10, 2009, 12:04:26 PM
ya, it may seem that time is of the essence, but really . in game time, you have all the time in the world.
first few times I played the BGs, I tried to be in a rush. But missed a lot of good stuff, and so died too often in the hard parts. Now I play more... methodically.
Yep. It is just a game convention to understand, methinks.
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
So did Tamas, Caliga and everyone else but you. ;)
I am glad I have you around to tell me who I dislike or not. :lol:
In any case my penchant for lashing out emotionally and sarcasm is fairly well known. Nothing personal and I can be reasoned with ;)
Quote from: saskganesh on November 10, 2009, 12:04:26 PM
ya, it may seem that time is of the essence, but really . in game time, you have all the time in the world.
first few times I played the BGs, I tried to be in a rush. But missed a lot of good stuff, and so died too often in the hard parts. Now I play more... methodically.
In BG1 there was this deal where if you took too long to go to Nashkel your party members would rebel but that proved to be so universally unpopular they cut out all time requirements for their future games. I remember in Fallout 1 where was that ridiculously long time requirement to get the waterchip and even that was so unpopular with the fans that Interplay released a patch getting rid of it.
RPG players just like to take their sweet time I guess.
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 12:13:37 PM
RPG players just like to take their sweet time I guess.
RPGers usually are kind of obsessive-compulsive when it comes to either exploring or getting all possible loot or both. Time limits are a big crimp on that.
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 12:11:17 PM
I am glad I have you around to tell me who I dislike or not. :lol:
Sorry, but I don't get into that kind of thing. You will have to figure it out on your own.
QuoteIn any case my penchant for lashing out emotionally and sarcasm is fairly well known. Nothing personal and I can be reasoned with ;)
Dunno why you are taking this so personally. I just told Cal not to bother responding to you and Gral when you guys were obviously not reading the posts to which you are responding. It was, and is, good advice. :cool:
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on November 10, 2009, 12:04:26 PM
ya, it may seem that time is of the essence, but really . in game time, you have all the time in the world.
first few times I played the BGs, I tried to be in a rush. But missed a lot of good stuff, and so died too often in the hard parts. Now I play more... methodically.
In BG1 there was this deal where if you took too long to go to Nashkel your party members would rebel but that proved to be so universally unpopular they cut out all time requirements for their future games. I remember in Fallout 1 where was that ridiculously long time requirement to get the waterchip and even that was so unpopular with the fans that Interplay released a patch getting rid of it.
RPG players just like to take their sweet time I guess.
Fallout 1 had a time limit (even after you could send a water convoy, if you took too long to finish the game the ending sucked because, even though you "won," the end credits showed the supermutants having killed pretty much everyone you met). The
Jagged Alliance games punished dawdling as well. In
Morrowind, it was kinda cool that the questgiver kept sending you out to adventure between each main quest stage he would give you.
"Modern" RPGs seem to have moved away from the "timing" approach, and that is good. The only bad thing about it is that they
pretend that they haven't.
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 12:43:37 PM
Dunno why you are taking this so personally. I just told Cal not to bother responding to you and Gral when you guys were obviously not reading the posts to which you are responding. It was, and is, good advice. :cool:
Yes that was good advice I took it personally because you said I don't read before I insult Cal...which is probably true...but I don't insult Cal that often darnit!
According to my CC statement the game cost me 34 EUR, btw. The weak GBP and D2D be praised. :)
I hate you.
Quote from: Syt on November 10, 2009, 01:06:53 PM
According to my CC statement the game cost me 34 EUR, btw. The weak GBP and D2D be praised. :)
The game cost me 800 baht, or $24
BTW, are the long loading times just a feature of my system, or is it endemic. I see a few mentions of it here and there, but nothing consistent. If it is endemic like it was in The Witcher, then we can hope that it will be fixed, as The Witcher was.
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 01:25:44 PM
BTW, are the long loading times just a feature of my system, or is it endemic. I see a few mentions of it here and there, but nothing consistent. If it is endemic like it was in The Witcher, then we can hope that it will be fixed, as The Witcher was.
I have long loading times, but I wouldn't call my system high end. I'd say they might be a Bioware feature ... though they disguised them better in Mass Effect (long elevator rides, animated hyperspace sequences etc.).
I was confused in Redcliffe, because the usual loading screen you have normally when moving from one space to another never showed when moving from inside to outside.
Sorry Grumbles, but most of the reviews biggest complaints are the long load times, not sure if there is a way for them to fix it, so might be stuck with it.
I suppose load times for me are long, but I'm used to much longer so it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
"Modern" RPGs seem to have moved away from the "timing" approach, and that is good. The only bad thing about it is that they pretend that they haven't.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TakeYourTime
You can fix the loading times by quitting the game and restarting it. Looks like there's a memory leak somewhere, but when I restart the game the load times are fast again for a while.
Quote from: katmai on November 10, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
Sorry Grumbles, but most of the reviews biggest complaints are the long load times, not sure if there is a way for them to fix it, so might be stuck with it.
Yeah sometimes they can get really long. I have a book by my computer just for those occasions.
You guys should try playing Dragon Quest 8 on the PS2. Every battle, and they are random as you walk around the map, there is a 7 second load screen to enter the battle. Even longer loading in some places. Dragon Age loading screens are nothing. :lol:
Quote from: Solmyr on November 10, 2009, 01:39:45 PM
You can fix the loading times by quitting the game and restarting it. Looks like there's a memory leak somewhere, but when I restart the game the load times are fast again for a while.
Ok I feel silly now I should have known it was a memory leak. Good call I will start restarting the machine when it gets too long.
Quote from: Caliga on November 10, 2009, 10:50:42 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 10:33:40 AM
Wow aren't you guys smart. Do you want a cookie?
:mellow:
Dude, none of us are bragging "OMG I AM SMRT I FIGURED IT OUT!!!111" or anything. More like, "Wow, that was hardly shocking." I guess the question is whether the writers wanted it to be or not.
Yes :wtf:
I am enjoying the game as well as could be hoped for, realistically, but it is not perfect, by any means. Still, the characters are relatively engaging and a few of the little twists are certainly not what I expected. Add in the fact that the story seems to have many points at which you can truly affect what happens to an area, a la Fallout, and I think I will actually play this again when I beat it.
Predictably, though, the bisexual/gay character is about as vapid and uninteresting as I would expect, though humorous at times.
Quote from: Caliga on November 10, 2009, 08:04:50 AM
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 08:00:07 AM
The rest of the initial story was absolutely predictable. I knew as soon as I heard the battle plan and got assigned to go to the top of the tower what would happen on the way there and what would happen when I got to the top. It is what seemingly happens in every game like this.
Agreed. It was so painfully obvious that I think they must have made it so on purpose. Maybe the writers think people like having their egos stroked when they "figure out" what's going to happen in advance due to the foreshadowing. I know nothing about writing theory so I dunno if this is something writers strive to do on occasion or what.
What I found annoying was that the basic gist of the betrayal was identical to the betrayal in the human starter story, just on a larger scale.
Quote from: Solmyr on November 10, 2009, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 10, 2009, 01:43:39 AM
So, I have Shale now. Wonderful character, hilarious, and I think I'll keep it as one of my four to see what it says.
But....I was not happy that the girl died because I couldn't do the sliding puzzle. I wanted to kill Kitty and keep the girl alive.
You can save the girl if a) First you agree to free the demon in exchange for not possessing the girl, and b) After you do the puzzle and she breaks the deal, get her upset so the girl gets scared and runs away.
The sliding puzzle isn't too difficult to solve, just need to rotate the right directional tiles into sequence.
Legbiter: I am a bit further in the story and so far it does feel like Loghain is trying to do what he thinks is best for the kingdom (in a Lawful Evil way).
I just let her possess the girl. Morrigan was very approving of that particular choice. :P
Quote from: Tamas on November 10, 2009, 02:56:21 PM
Yes :wtf:
It sounded like you were complaining about it. *shrug*
I didn't think the outcome was in doubt only what exactly the motivations of the principal actors were.
:lol:
Morrigan would
Restarted the game along the lines suggested (eg "remember how these kinds of games are constructed, and do everything possible before what the game tells you to do") and found the start much more satisfying, if only because the really obvious parts fall much further apart, and because there is a fair amount of lore to be gathered by ignoring the plot and just wandering around.
I'd raise my rating from a 7 to an 8, just based on that difference, and I am only part way into the game. The game is also notably better when I don't have to play each character in combat in turn, due to tactics. The view faults then are not so obvious.
Holy fucking shit. Using ranged weapons makes a huge fucking difference. I simply had no idea how much difference it makes, even without any special bow skills. A strong enough Qunari with the right kind of crossbow in the right place at the right time is better than a charging Qunari with a badass battle axe lying dead five feet form where he needs to be....
Crossbows aren't affected by strength...Typo? Or are you really not using a longbow?
Is this game really good? I need a good RPG. And a new computer.
I don't know about "really" good, but it is fun, has a good variety of characters, contains a lot to do and the world is a lot of fun to explore/find out about.
Quote from: Queequeg on November 10, 2009, 09:19:09 PM
Is this game really good? I need a good RPG. And a new computer.
The game is very addictive.
Guys, have you done the defense of Redcliff village yet? I wonder what else I can do to bolster the defense. I did the following:
Suggest using oil from the shop to set the zombies on fire
Recruit the elf spy from the tavern
Get the innkeeper to give free beer to the militia
Get the blacksmith to work on the weapons
Get the dwarf merchant to help
Get "fake" holy symbols to bolster the knights' morale
There was also a line of dialogue available to intimidate the innkeeper into defending the town, but I thought that a fat coward is not going to make much of a difference :P
Anyway, I am a cute redhead city elf rogue/bard with a lot of boyish charm. :cool:
Was extremely happy about being recruited by Duncan, because didn't have to marry that tuna. :P
Morrigan can't wait to get into my pants (I can already sleep with her and we have only just reached Redcliff), and she goes GNNNGH every time I harmlessly flirt with some serving wench. I had an enlightening conversation with Alistair concerning licking lampposts (he is a virgin), and a giggly one about Orlaisian shoe fashion with the red head chick (we both agree people here do not know how to dress proper).
I can't wait to meet the elven assassin. :D
Quote from: Habbaku on November 10, 2009, 07:46:19 PM
Crossbows aren't affected by strength...Typo? Or are you really not using a longbow?
Unfortunately, all my longbows require too high a Dex for Sten.
Quote from: Martinus on November 11, 2009, 04:00:25 AM
... I had an enlightening conversation with Alistair concerning licking lampposts (he is a virgin)
I had the same - when he asks you if *you* have tried to lick lamposts in winter - you can answer "I love licking lamposts, and then some"... Can this be any more suggestive than that? And yet Bioware made him a female only love interest. <_< :bash:
I've rolled 3 new characters to see the opening stories: a human female mage, a human male warrior and a dalish elf hunter. I rolled the chick to get Alistair and I'll have him by Jove! But for now I'll stick with the cute sandy blond wood elf.
G.
Bioware wants gays to play their games with a serious case of blue balls. :)
Quote from: Caliga on November 11, 2009, 07:55:54 AM
Bioware wants gays to play their games with a serious case of blue balls. :)
:lol: Still kuddos for them to have that element at all in their games. I think they're the only game publisher that do that; and there is some progression too. Jade Empire had a gay romance that ended with a (fade to black) kiss - this one has actual sex in it. So the next game should be fully "open''.
G.
Dragon Age 2, starring Peter North. :smoke:
I'm lost in the Fade with my first character - I can't get to the second hub. I keep going in circles between portals and mouse holes. I have mouse and spirit forms aquired but not the other 2. It's partly out of frustration over this I rolled the other toons.
G.
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on November 10, 2009, 12:04:26 PM
ya, it may seem that time is of the essence, but really . in game time, you have all the time in the world.
first few times I played the BGs, I tried to be in a rush. But missed a lot of good stuff, and so died too often in the hard parts. Now I play more... methodically.
In BG1 there was this deal where if you took too long to go to Nashkel your party members would rebel but that proved to be so universally unpopular they cut out all time requirements for their future games. I remember in Fallout 1 where was that ridiculously long time requirement to get the waterchip and even that was so unpopular with the fans that Interplay released a patch getting rid of it.
RPG players just like to take their sweet time I guess.
missed this post. the Naskel requirement kicks in around Day 5/6 provided you have either Xzar or Jaheria in your party. from that point you have a week to get there or they will apparently quit the party.
maybe it would be better if they had a timer of some sort. not a clock but more frequent warnings (wait! NPCs are bitchy already! no matter :D) . anyhow, I have found that one still has time to do many Beregost and FAI sidequests, meaning you can be levels 2-3s when you finally get to Naskel. one cna do a lot in a week.
of course the timer comes off when you reach Naskel. do note that Minsc has his own week long timer for his Dynaheir quest if you recruit him. later, Yeslick (Destroy the Mines already!) has one too.
My save is clocking in at 35 hours & I haven't left Lothering. I need to stop leaving it on pause all nite.
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 08:00:07 AM
The rest of the initial story was absolutely predictable. I knew as soon as I heard the battle plan and got assigned to go to the top of the tower what would happen on the way there and what would happen when I got to the top. It is what seemingly happens in every game like this.
Well, you know from the beginning who's bad and who's not. It's clear from the beginning that Arl Howe is a bad guy, so is Lothair.
Quote
So far, I would rate this game so far as a 7. It has its moments, but in none of them did I feel any emotional commitment. It is all far too predictable and the presentation and graphics are not nearly good enough to be immersive. Fun? Yes, but in the way that War in the Pacific was fun, not in the way that Morrowind was fun.
Graphics not good enough? Hmm, do you play with high/very high settings everywhere?
As for the game being immersive, I think you should give yourself time :)
Quote from: Caliga on November 10, 2009, 08:04:50 AM
Agreed. It was so painfully obvious that I think they must have made it so on purpose. Maybe the writers think people like having their egos stroked when they "figure out" what's going to happen in advance due to the foreshadowing. I know nothing about writing theory so I dunno if this is something writers strive to do on occasion or what.
Ah, and there I thought I was being so clever. Thanks for ruining my fun :mad:
:D
Like you&Grumbler, I was surprised by the Grey Wardens :D I was especially shocked when I entered their tower!
But most stuff, yeah, you can guess it miles&miles in advance.
Marti,
Spoiler alert, Spoiler alert!!!!
The mass battle is dead easy. All you need to do is lead groups of bad guys back up to where the Knights are up the hill. Kill them off then go back for the next group that gathered while you were away. This becomes even easier if you have mages that can cast the various mass sleep and disorient spells
Quote from: viper37 on November 11, 2009, 10:38:18 AM
Like you&Grumbler, I was surprised by the Grey Wardens :D
When Duncan drew his blade and then said "I am sorry" as the guy was dying, I knew I would like this game.
Quote from: viper37 on November 11, 2009, 10:38:18 AM
But most stuff, yeah, you can guess it miles&miles in advance.
I figured most of the forshadowing at the beginning of the game was intentional. I mean it was pretty obvious bad things were going to happen both during the origin stories and the prelude part and most of the time who the bad dudes were.
It is a bit more interesting with anything dealing with the dwarves I mean you KNOW whatever you do will probably blow up in your face and everybody is not as they appear but you are just rather curious how exactly things are going to suck.
As I said you know roughly what is going down and who is going to do it you just are not sure why (well besides malicious evilness)...or maybe you guys do :P
Quote from: grumbler on November 10, 2009, 01:25:44 PM
BTW, are the long loading times just a feature of my system, or is it endemic. I see a few mentions of it here and there, but nothing consistent. If it is endemic like it was in The Witcher, then we can hope that it will be fixed, as The Witcher was.
I have long loading times. My system was high end at same time last year... now...
I still hate it though. Knowing a better processor would do the trick, I'd do it right now.
rebooting my machine does help with the load times. Stupid memory leaks.
Quote from: Grallon on November 11, 2009, 08:18:50 AM
I'm lost in the Fade with my first character - I can't get to the second hub. I keep going in circles between portals and mouse holes. I have mouse and spirit forms aquired but not the other 2. It's partly out of frustration over this I rolled the other toons.
Keep searching... ;)
The mouse will let you travel through the mouse holes.
The spirit will let you travel through spirit doors.
One of these will lead you somewhere you've never been.
Then you can get the Golem and start thrashing doors. Or the Torch and go Flame on all you like through the fire.
Yeah it took me awhile to figure out the spirit door thing.
Quote from: Valmy on November 11, 2009, 11:05:18 AM
rebooting my machine does help with the load times. Stupid memory leaks.
You know that you can get software that recovers memory, right? Rebooting the machine isn't necessary.
Quote from: grumbler on November 11, 2009, 11:29:09 AM
You know that you can get software that recovers memory, right? Rebooting the machine isn't necessary.
I did not know that. It is hardly like rebooting my machine is a huge inconvenience or anything it just gives me time to handle other business for a few minutes. How does the software work?
http://shareme.com/details/finitysoft-memory-manager.html
Here ya go.
Quote from: Valmy on November 11, 2009, 11:22:57 AM
Yeah it took me awhile to figure out the spirit door thing.
The spirit form is probably the least useful form. You need it yes but only in 2 places total. I´d advice to go the other way instead and learn Golem and burning man form. They are useful and needed in dozens of places. So go clockwise 2 steps then back and counterclockwise. Last but not least do the nightmares and finish up where you began. The demon fight can be pretty harsh though but doable, just make sure you got a good bit of healing.
Quote from: Cecil on November 11, 2009, 01:33:10 PM
The spirit form is probably the least useful form. You need it yes but only in 2 places total. I´d advice to go the other way instead and learn Golem and burning man form. They are useful and needed in dozens of places. So go clockwise 2 steps then back and counterclockwise. Last but not least do the nightmares and finish up where you began. The demon fight can be pretty harsh though but doable, just make sure you got a good bit of healing.
Actually, they are pretty easy. All you need to do is this:
[spoiler]
If they are non-fire people, use the fire form, send fireball, then flame on.Swith to golem, hurl rock, knock them.Switch back to human, hack away.If they are fire-people, use the golem, send rock, knock them.Switch back to human, hack away.Take a potion/elixir/crystal to protect against fire if there's a lot of them.[/][/s]
I found the spirit form to be incredibly useful for opening a battle. You just have to use its crushing prison ability, then follow up with a quick ice spell before switching to another form.
Quote from: Grallon on November 11, 2009, 07:46:48 AM
I had the same - when he asks you if *you* have tried to lick lamposts in winter - you can answer "I love licking lamposts, and then some"... Can this be any more suggestive than that? And yet Bioware made him a female only love interest. <_< :bash:
yeah, that's what I answered. He is a damn cocktease. :P
Btw, I kicked Morrigan out and now have a goody-two-shoes party of the bard chick, Wynne and Alistair. I heard there is a convo between Alistair and Wynne, when she gives him the "birds and bees" talk. Can't wait to hear that. Also can't wait to get Zevran - gonna kick out the bard chick when he joins, I guess.
I'm now after the mage part and going back with them to Redcliffe to help the kid. I think I missed one or more notes for the side quests in the tower.
Quote from: Grallon on November 11, 2009, 08:18:50 AM
I'm lost in the Fade with my first character - I can't get to the second hub. I keep going in circles between portals and mouse holes. I have mouse and spirit forms aquired but not the other 2. It's partly out of frustration over this I rolled the other toons.
G.
you can't do it without first completing the others. It's more complex then that. Start with either the burning tower or the mage place. Once you get the forms from there go to the templar and the abomination place.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 11, 2009, 10:41:53 AM
Marti,
Spoiler alert, Spoiler alert!!!!
The mass battle is dead easy. All you need to do is lead groups of bad guys back up to where the Knights are up the hill. Kill them off then go back for the next group that gathered while you were away. This becomes even easier if you have mages that can cast the various mass sleep and disorient spells
I know. I just like to do all side quests. I'm OCD. :P
Also, I wish there was an option to turn off permanent spell effects graphics. I guess it is cool in combat, but looks kinda weird if during a dialogue your character looks like a meth-induced vision of a garish Christmas tree.
Quote from: Valmy on November 11, 2009, 11:22:57 AM
Yeah it took me awhile to figure out the spirit door thing.
Make sure to explore every possible location as there are many permanent stat boosts.
Zevran just got sent to meet me. :D
Spoiler for grallon
Apparently you can fuck Zevran quite early on after you meet him but he will consider it a one-night-stand. However if you continue to improve relationship with him after that, you may form a long term relationship eventually. Talk about realism. :D
Edit: I met him. He got the job after he mentioned "12 kinds of massage" as one of his skills. :P
Btw, listen to the dorf in your camp's gossips (it is NOT infinite). Some are quite funny. :D
Quote from: Cecil on November 11, 2009, 01:33:10 PM
The spirit form is probably the least useful form. You need it yes but only in 2 places total.
I disagree. I am pretty sure there are a couple stat boosts you can only see in spirit form. Also the spirit cage is awesome. Cast that, then regen, then change form into fire or golem as needed. All the battles are very easy once you figure out how to play to your opponents weakness.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 11, 2009, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: Cecil on November 11, 2009, 01:33:10 PM
The spirit form is probably the least useful form. You need it yes but only in 2 places total.
I disagree. I am pretty sure there are a couple stat boosts you can only see in spirit form. Also the spirit cage is awesome. Cast that, then regen, then change form into fire or golem as needed. All the battles are very easy once you figure out how to play to your opponents weakness.
:contract:
Quote from: Grallon on November 11, 2009, 08:00:03 AM
:lol: Still kuddos for them to have that element at all in their games. I think they're the only game publisher that do that; and there is some progression too. Jade Empire had a gay romance that ended with a (fade to black) kiss - this one has actual sex in it. So the next game should be fully "open''.
Actually, EA isn't entirely comfortable with that, so the next game will probably be about the same, or maybe even retract a bit.
We really are in a post feminist world when I go around killing monsters & other viles creatures with a team of 3 women & a dwarf.
So, it took me till the battle for Redcliffe to discover that the tactics system sucks. :lol:
We set up the fire barricade and Alistair and Sten thought it would be a good idea to stand IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING FIRE and wait to be attacked. :bleeding:
I shall now be controlling all of my characters, all of the time.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Never delegate management tasks. -_-
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 12, 2009, 08:17:40 AM
We really are in a post feminist world when I go around killing monsters & other viles creatures with a team of 3 women & a dwarf.
My team involves a gay elf couple, a feminazi atheist witch with intimacy issues and a ex-templar male virgin.
Quote from: Caliga on November 12, 2009, 08:20:37 AM
So, it took me till the battle for Redcliffe to discover that the tactics system sucks. :lol:
We set up the fire barricade and Alistair and Sten thought it would be a good idea to stand IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING FIRE and wait to be attacked. :bleeding:
I shall now be controlling all of my characters, all of the time.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Never delegate management tasks. -_-
http://daforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=707098&forum=135
I've decided to restart my rogue and do it right this time. I shall be condemned to unrequited love again but eh! - better that than portraying a female.
Now my last run I had Sten, Alistair and Morrigan in my party. I wonder if I should change to Wynne? I don't care for the other chick so she stays moping around at camp. But if I take Zefran it'll be 2 rogues, 1 tank and a mage... I'd rather have 2 tanks to be safe. Any other NPCs I can recruit? A dwarf in Ozrimar perhaps?
Btw Marty, did you avail yourself of the 'services át the Pearl in the capital? ;) I tried the tall human and the little elf - what a bitch that one was! :P
G.
Note to grallon, who probably will be keen on keeping Zevran close ;)
He likes precious metal bars and leather items (heh heh) so keep at least one gold bar handy (you find one in Redcliff I think) to give him when you meet, then flirt with him shamelessly to get the highest level of relations with him asap. Other than this being fun (you can talk about reusing the rope for some fun, his leather fetish, his teacher's tips ("Never look behind you, except in an ambush or during sex"), his sex adventures, him flattering your looks, his love for things "beautiful and dangerous, like you" and whether you are "open" to new experiences like him :P), it is important because unless you get the relationship with him high enough soon (I think they said +33), he will double cross you when you head to Denerim - and then he dies for good.
If he likes you by then, though, he will remain loyal and alive for the rest of the game.
As a good way to gauge how much he likes you - he will agree to teach you about being an assassin when the relationship hits +27, so after that you just need to sleep with him (go to the camp to do so) and you are safe.
Quote from: Grallon on November 12, 2009, 10:00:13 AM
I've decided to restart my rogue and do it right this time. I shall be condemned to unrequited love again but eh! - better that than portraying a female.
Now my last run I had Sten, Alistair and Morrigan in my party. I wonder if I should change to Wynne? I don't care for the other chick so she stays moping around at camp. But if I take Zefran it'll be 2 rogues, 1 tank and a mage... I'd rather have 2 tanks to be safe. Any other NPCs I can recruit? A dwarf in Ozrimar perhaps?
Btw Marty, did you avail yourself of the 'services át the Pearl in the capital? ;) I tried the tall human and the little elf - what a bitch that one was! :P
G.
Haven't got there yet. Are the whores all female or do they have rent boys too? :P
Btw, almost everybody in my party likes me - Lellana just shared with me her lesbo love story. :P
My party now consists of me (rogue/bard), Zevran, Alistair and Wynne - the last one because it helps a lot to have a healer since everybody else is melee.
Quote from: Caliga on November 12, 2009, 08:20:37 AM
So, it took me till the battle for Redcliffe to discover that the tactics system sucks. :lol:
We set up the fire barricade and Alistair and Sten thought it would be a good idea to stand IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING FIRE and wait to be attacked. :bleeding:
I shall now be controlling all of my characters, all of the time.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Never delegate management tasks. -_-
I would stop playing before I went the "all characters all the time" route. Luckily, I don't have to. Except against bosses, some fairly basic default tactics work okay (my rogue and mage use ranged attacks while my tanks just wait to defend against the enemy's melee rush). I do definitely find it easier to implement tactics if you make the enemy come to you (I even scout ahead with the rogue to find the enemy, attack them, and then run back to the rest of the party and take up my defensive position).
I haven't gotten the stance options (aggressive, passive, etc) down yet, though.
Quote from: Caliga on November 12, 2009, 08:20:37 AM
So, it took me till the battle for Redcliffe to discover that the tactics system sucks. :lol:
We set up the fire barricade and Alistair and Sten thought it would be a good idea to stand IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING FIRE and wait to be attacked. :bleeding:
I shall now be controlling all of my characters, all of the time.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Never delegate management tasks. -_-
I find Tactics incredibly usefull, I wish I add more slots for them.
Just gotta move your chars manually sometimes.
And for grallon, here's my cute redhead elf :P
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg97.imageshack.us%2Fimg97%2F3548%2Felf2rx.jpg&hash=37df26266a0409989c1549789ff76a98a8f75b95)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg262.imageshack.us%2Fimg262%2F7707%2Felf1.jpg&hash=f4e4db4d00203775edc92eba5691f864a713fd08)
Sorry about the angle/weird interference, but I was taking it with a camera off screen, since I don't know how take screenshots on Xbox (not sure if it is even possible).
Marti, is the voice over also in Polish?
Any of you guys got the DLC Armor & Shale?
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 12, 2009, 10:32:24 AM
Marti, is the voice over also in Polish?
Any of you guys got the DLC Armor & Shale?
yeah, voice is in Polish too. I am normally very reluctant about Polish translations but in this one voices are amazingly well done by a bunch of professional actors.
Btw, is the armor already available? I checked yesterday and all I could get was Shale and the keep thingie. I downloaded the keep - not sure about getting Shale, since I won't probably be using him anyway (I like Alistair and Zevran, and there is no space in my party for another melee fighter).
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 12, 2009, 10:32:24 AM
Any of you guys got the DLC Armor & Shale?
I have Shale but didn't bother with the armor. Shale's quite amusing.
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 10:18:51 AM
And for grallon, here's my cute redhead elf :P
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg97.imageshack.us%2Fimg97%2F3548%2Felf2rx.jpg&hash=37df26266a0409989c1549789ff76a98a8f75b95)
Awww he's adorable! And yes - the Pearl has a nice selection of rent boys, including an ugly hairy dwarf :x
G.
Those who met the Dwarves, with whom did you side? The Prince or the Pretender?
Quote from: Martinus on November 11, 2009, 04:12:06 PM
Btw, I kicked Morrigan out and now have a goody-two-shoes party of the bard chick, Wynne and Alistair. I heard there is a convo between Alistair and Wynne, when she gives him the "birds and bees" talk. Can't wait to hear that. Also can't wait to get Zevran - gonna kick out the bard chick when he joins, I guess.
I'm now after the mage part and going back with them to Redcliffe to help the kid. I think I missed one or more notes for the side quests in the tower.
FYI, you don't need to kick anyone, you can keep them.
Morrigan is pretty useful, seeing you only get 2 mages.
The Bard chick is already good at picking locks and for ranged attacks, something for wich the Bi Elf is not, especially given his low constitution.
My favorite party:
Morrigan, Leliana, Shale.
That fits me perfectly so far. Now, seeing I have Morrigan at +100 relationship (she even gave me a ring! :D ), I decided to run with Wynne for a little while.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 12, 2009, 10:32:24 AM
Marti, is the voice over also in Polish?
Any of you guys got the DLC Armor & Shale?
Got it with the Collector's Edition and the pre-order.
It's useful in mid-game. Good armor, not too much fatigue, but you can easily get a better helmet.
Quote from: viper37 on November 12, 2009, 12:00:03 PM
FYI, you don't need to kick anyone, you can keep them.
Errr, what part of "I want to have Zevran in my party" you didn't get?
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 12:07:15 PM
Errr, what part of "I want to have Zevran in my party" you didn't get?
He means you can have them back at camp without actually having them in your active group. You do not have to tell them to leave.
Quote from: grumbler on November 12, 2009, 10:12:18 AM
(I even scout ahead with the rogue to find the enemy, attack them, and then run back to the rest of the party and take up my defensive position).
I try to do that with all my characters (I have tried them all now). Shoot a range shot or two at the outlyers then run back to the ambush prepared by my party and watch the mobs get cut down.
Quote from: Valmy on November 12, 2009, 12:09:15 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 12:07:15 PM
Errr, what part of "I want to have Zevran in my party" you didn't get?
He means you can have them back at camp without actually having them in your active group. You do not have to tell them to leave.
I am reading "my party" as what you call "your active group." It is pretty clear to me that Marti has his preferred questing group, and getting "kicked out" means a character isn't in that group any more.
Quote from: viper37 on November 12, 2009, 12:07:03 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 12, 2009, 10:32:24 AM
Marti, is the voice over also in Polish?
Any of you guys got the DLC Armor & Shale?
Got it with the Collector's Edition and the pre-order.
It's useful in mid-game. Good armor, not too much fatigue, but you can easily get a better helmet.
I wish I could use Shale.
For someone who questions marti's professional competence grumbles, I think you are giving him too much credit here :P
Quote from: grumbler on November 12, 2009, 12:51:01 PM
I am reading "my party" as what you call "your active group." It is pretty clear to me that Marti has his preferred questing group, and getting "kicked out" means a character isn't in that group any more.
I figured that as well I was just explaining what Viper meant by 'you don't need to kick anybody, you can keep them' which would only be true when talking about the camp group since you obviously do need to kick people in the active group.
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: viper37 on November 12, 2009, 12:00:03 PM
FYI, you don't need to kick anyone, you can keep them.
Errr, what part of "I want to have Zevran in my party" you didn't get?
When you say "kick them out", do you mean asking them to leave your camp or simply not having them in your party? Because you can keep everyone in camp, but only 3 in your party, and I understood as if you were willingly getting rid of characters that could be one day useful (I keep Sten for example, but I almost never use him).
EDIT: ah, everyone answered the same :D
Quote from: grumbler on November 12, 2009, 10:12:18 AM
I would stop playing before I went the "all characters all the time" route. Luckily, I don't have to. Except against bosses, some fairly basic default tactics work okay (my rogue and mage use ranged attacks while my tanks just wait to defend against the enemy's melee rush). I do definitely find it easier to implement tactics if you make the enemy come to you (I even scout ahead with the rogue to find the enemy, attack them, and then run back to the rest of the party and take up my defensive position).
I haven't gotten the stance options (aggressive, passive, etc) down yet, though.
Well, I've found that the 'Default' tactic for each character hasn't worked out too well... for example my rogue wouldn't ever hang back and shoot arrows till I changed her to 'Ranged'. I think tonight I might save right before an impending battle, and take a half hour to figure out the nuances of the tactical system via multiple replays of battle/tactical changes.
I have been having trouble with two things:
1)On my rogue, after the main battle when I send my melee out to attack the ranged enemy I cant seem to stop them coming back to me and then attacking rather then simply moving on to the next ranged enemy without me giving them the direction to attack.
2) on my mage, I cant figure out how to tell everyone not to attack anyone when I am casting a sleep spell. I would really like to be able to follow that up with the mass confusion spell (forget the name) which works automatically on people that are asleep and then horror on one target still asleep without having that combo messed up by my party hitting them and waking them up.
Quote from: viper37 on November 12, 2009, 01:31:48 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 12, 2009, 12:52:43 PM
I wish I could use Shale.
Buy the DLC!
I have it, it came with the game. What I am lacking is an internet connection.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 12, 2009, 02:03:15 PM
2) on my mage, I cant figure out how to tell everyone not to attack anyone when I am casting a sleep spell. I would really like to be able to follow that up with the mass confusion spell (forget the name) which works automatically on people that are asleep and then horror on one target still asleep without having that combo messed up by my party hitting them and waking them up.
For this very reason I have been shying away from having my main (human mage) learn anything other than single-target debuffs and direct damage spells.
The AI does get frustrating sometimes or I just suck at managing a battle. I will be on Wynne selecting the spells and watching the health and stamina/mana meters and then suddenly notice my tank has stopped attacking for some odd reason. I mean at least wait until your target is dead first.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 12, 2009, 02:03:15 PM
I have been having trouble with two things:
1)On my rogue, after the main battle when I send my melee out to attack the ranged enemy I cant seem to stop them coming back to me and then attacking rather then simply moving on to the next ranged enemy without me giving them the direction to attack.
Create a second custom order set that you switch to under these circumstances, that just says 'attack nearest enemy." Make sure you turn off "hold position in formation" for this character.
Quote2) on my mage, I cant figure out how to tell everyone not to attack anyone when I am casting a sleep spell. I would really like to be able to follow that up with the mass confusion spell (forget the name) which works automatically on people that are asleep and then horror on one target still asleep without having that combo messed up by my party hitting them and waking them up.
Maybe you could create an order set that is blank, and assign everyone that order set until the mage is done? Dunno; haven't tried that myself, but let us know how it works out if you try it.
Quote from: Valmy on November 12, 2009, 02:25:32 PM
The AI does get frustrating sometimes or I just suck at managing a battle. I will be on Wynne selecting the spells and watching the health and stamina/mana meters and then suddenly notice my tank has stopped attacking for some odd reason. I mean at least wait until your target is dead first.
I think the tank might have been stunned, and has no applicable orders once the initial attack order gets canceled by the stun. Make sure "attack nearest enemy" is in the tactic being used. If I don't have the order slots to make that the final order, I keep an eye on that character, as they will stop fighting if they have no order to fight.
Good tips Grumbler. Thanks.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 12, 2009, 02:03:15 PM
2) on my mage, I cant figure out how to tell everyone not to attack anyone when I am casting a sleep spell. I would really like to be able to follow that up with the mass confusion spell (forget the name) which works automatically on people that are asleep and then horror on one target still asleep without having that combo messed up by my party hitting them and waking them up.
Use horror from your mage right after the sleep spell, then get everyone on that target.
Or disable tactics and do it manually.
Or, create a tactic slot that says "attack the target of main character" and immediatly attack the bad guy you want.
Quote from: viper37 on November 12, 2009, 03:21:05 PM
Use horror from your mage right after the sleep spell, then get everyone on that target.
Or disable tactics and do it manually.
Wont work that way. Using Horror on a sleeping target kills them most of the time so there is nothing there to target once horror goes off. Also, I cant get people to attack my intended horror target before horror goes off because they might wake the target. Further, in the time I take to cast horror my group will have attacked (and roused) other sleepers so that my Nightmare spell will be less effective.
I have tried simply getting the group to walk away for a distance while casting the trio of spells, but I dont think that works as well has Grumblers idea.
What I would really like is a command structure that says if X party members does y you do z.
That way I can tell people to stop attacking until after I cast the last of the three spells in the combination.
It might be there but I havent had enough time with the game to find it.
Try giving your party a hold order in the advanced tactics menu. Then, unless they're standing right next to your targets, they won't go after them.
Quote from: viper37 on November 12, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: viper37 on November 12, 2009, 12:00:03 PM
FYI, you don't need to kick anyone, you can keep them.
Errr, what part of "I want to have Zevran in my party" you didn't get?
When you say "kick them out", do you mean asking them to leave your camp or simply not having them in your party? Because you can keep everyone in camp, but only 3 in your party, and I understood as if you were willingly getting rid of characters that could be one day useful (I keep Sten for example, but I almost never use him).
EDIT: ah, everyone answered the same :D
Ah ok sorry. I meant keeping them in your party. :)
Btw, anyone beat Flemmeth yet? I went there for Morrigan but she made a quick work of my party. I may put Sten in the party instead of Zevran next time but still I think we are too weak.
Also, bloody Wynne is a homophobe. She gave me a talking-to that it's unseemly I'm fucking Zevran. Well, that or she doesn't like me having sex with an amoral assassin who tried to kill me but I'm blaming that on racism and homophobia. :P
Either way, I'm loving Denerim. I'm working for the Chantry, the Mage Collective, the Antivian Ravens, the City Guard, the Innkeeper and the Blackstone's Irregulars. And I spent 180 silver coins on whores (after I haggled the price down to 30 silvers per pop).
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 12, 2009, 03:41:15 PM
Wont work that way. Using Horror on a sleeping target kills them most of the time so there is nothing there to target once horror goes off. Also, I cant get people to attack my intended horror target before horror goes off because they might wake the target. Further, in the time I take to cast horror my group will have attacked (and roused) other sleepers so that my Nightmare spell will be less effective.
I have tried simply getting the group to walk away for a distance while casting the trio of spells, but I dont think that works as well has Grumblers idea.
What I would really like is a command structure that says if X party members does y you do z.
That way I can tell people to stop attacking until after I cast the last of the three spells in the combination.
It might be there but I havent had enough time with the game to find it.
SPACE BAR = PAUSE.
Quite useful I found ;)
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 07:13:05 PM
Btw, anyone beat Flemmeth yet? I went there for Morrigan but she made a quick work of my party. I may put Sten in the party instead of Zevran next time but still I think we are too weak.
You don't have to beat her, just take the grimmoir, bring it back to Morrigan.
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Also, bloody Wynne is a homophobe. She gave me a talking-to that it's unseemly I'm fucking Zevran. Well, that or she doesn't like me having sex with an amoral assassin who tried to kill me but I'm blaming that on racism and homophobia. :P
I got the same speech for Morrigan. It's not homophobia, she just doesn't think love is for you.
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Either way, I'm loving Denerim. I'm working for the Chantry, the Mage Collective, the Antivian Ravens, the City Guard, the Innkeeper and the Blackstone's Irregulars. And I spent 180 silver coins on whores (after I haggled the price down to 30 silvers per pop).
Didn't spend any money on whores, but yeah I worked for everyone :) And it's the Crows, not the Ravens. :P
Oh but if you take the grimoire from Flemmeth, she will eventually kill Morrigan. I want a happy ending, even for the feminazi bitch. :P
Local EB Games finally got it. :w00t:
Now usually in RPGs I play a hott chick character, since all you do is stare at your character's ass during the game.
However with all the sex options, I'm not sure I want to play a hott chick and watch her hit on male NPCs (and lesbianism isn't really my thing either).
Decisions, decisions...
Combat is hard. Can't figure out the tactics menu, but pausing every 3 seconds is frustrating as well...
I got Flemeth grimoire, I found it somewhere else then with Flemeth :O
Ok, it's a mild spoiler I just read, but apparently it's possible to have a game ending in which you enter into a political marriage with the Queen, but keep Zevran on a side as your life-time lover.
Assuming it's possible for an elf character, I'm SOOOOOOO going for this. :cool:
Quote from: Barrister on November 12, 2009, 10:28:07 PM
Local EB Games finally got it. :w00t:
Now usually in RPGs I play a hott chick character, since all you do is stare at your character's ass during the game.
Not an issue in this game. These toons cannot look hott, and the girls and boys look the same from behind.
Quote from: Barrister on November 13, 2009, 01:00:41 AM
Combat is hard. Can't figure out the tactics menu, but pausing every 3 seconds is frustrating as well...
In the early game, just setting up your tactics to have your tanks melee and your rogues and mages blast from a distance is going to work.
I haven't decided yet whether it is best to have my rogues switch to melee when attacked, or to use that slot to have them melee-attack anyone attacking the mage (and thus getting that sweet backstab bonus).
In a way, the tactics thing is one of the few things keeping me in this game. I find this story much less interesting and well-done than the one in
The Witcher. NPCs in the party are amusing for a bit, but their banter gets old after a while. Non-party NPCs are not compelling.
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 07:47:11 PM
Oh but if you take the grimoire from Flemmeth, she will eventually kill Morrigan. I want a happy ending, even for the feminazi bitch. :P
From a lead writer:
Insofar as Morrigan goes, if you're really dying to know the answer is there is no outcome where she remains by your side for a happily ever after. If you're romancing her, she very likely has warned you this would happen -- in fact, the more serious with her you become, the more reticent she gets because she knows what is coming.That may be disappointing, but she is who she is. I would suggest going through to the end and seeing how it actually plays out, but as with everything that is up to you.
So, it always ends badly. From an hetero point of view, at least :P
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Quote from: Cecil on November 11, 2009, 01:33:10 PM
The spirit form is probably the least useful form. You need it yes but only in 2 places total. I´d advice to go the other way instead and learn Golem and burning man form. They are useful and needed in dozens of places. So go clockwise 2 steps then back and counterclockwise. Last but not least do the nightmares and finish up where you began. The demon fight can be pretty harsh though but doable, just make sure you got a good bit of healing.
The spirit form lets you access all the phased-out stat boosters, too.
Quote from: viper37 on November 13, 2009, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2009, 07:47:11 PM
Oh but if you take the grimoire from Flemmeth, she will eventually kill Morrigan. I want a happy ending, even for the feminazi bitch. :P
From a lead writer:
Insofar as Morrigan goes, if you're really dying to know the answer is there is no outcome where she remains by your side for a happily ever after. If you're romancing her, she very likely has warned you this would happen -- in fact, the more serious with her you become, the more reticent she gets because she knows what is coming.That may be disappointing, but she is who she is. I would suggest going through to the end and seeing how it actually plays out, but as with everything that is up to you.
So, it always ends badly. From an hetero point of view, at least :P
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Well yeah but I wanted my character to pretty much feel good in the "I did all I could" way (rather than "so she's dead now because I lied to her") - I don't intend to romance her anyway, so as long as she lives I'm fine.
About beating Flemeth, same tactics as with the High Dragon. Tank it, turn it away from the rest of the group. You definitely want to have a healer and tons of health and mana potions. Use preferably ranged dps.
What is dps? I see this term all the time but I have no idea what it means.
BTW, every time Shale speaks, she/he/it reminds me of CdM :D
Damage
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Second.
Mono
Quote from: grumbler on November 13, 2009, 07:47:29 AM
Quote from: Barrister on November 12, 2009, 10:28:07 PM
Local EB Games finally got it. :w00t:
Now usually in RPGs I play a hott chick character, since all you do is stare at your character's ass during the game.
Not an issue in this game. These toons cannot look hott, and the girls and boys look the same from behind.
I think you're right. For a first toon I went with a female elf mage :blush: but she turned out much more cute than hott.
But I figured I'd play through 2-3 of the origins at least before deciding which toon I wanted to go with.
Quote from: Barrister on November 12, 2009, 10:28:07 PM
Now usually in RPGs I play a hott chick character, since all you do is stare at your character's ass during the game.
Why can't you stare at the NPC girls? Do your eyes require you to only look at the part of the screen your PC is?
Anyway in this game you take three NPCs with you so you can safely look at your group and find a hott chick without having to play one.
Yeah, Morrigan is not jealous about Zevran my ass. :rolleyes:
After I killed Flemmeth and brought the grimoire to her (Shale with fire resist crystals ftw :P), she initiated a "sex" conversation herself, so I gave in. And then immediately the bitch goes about how she doesn't like me hanging out with Zevran so much. I proposed a threesome but she said she is not into it. So I said "I hope you are not really going to make me choose?" and she said "But yes I am". So she is single again. :D
I guess once she blows herself to pieces or something, me and Zevran can raise the baby. :P
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
I guess once she blows herself to pieces or something, me and Zevran can raise the baby. :P
She's not so different from any girl. "Oh sure, I don't mind if you don't want me anymore, there's no commitment at all". And then she's really pissed off when you dump her. Ah, women. :P
Quote from: viper37 on November 13, 2009, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
I guess once she blows herself to pieces or something, me and Zevran can raise the baby. :P
She's not so different from any girl. "Oh sure, I don't mind if you don't want me anymore, there's no commitment at all". And then she's really pissed off when you dump her. Ah, women. :P
And that is why Marti prefers to only deal with them in RPGs.
I'm not entirely convinced that he doesn't have the right idea! :lol:
I am now traveling with Alistair, Morrigan and Zevran. Their constant banter is hilarious. Zevran wants to fuck them both. Morrigan considers them both fools. And Alistair is utterly disgusted. :lol:
Btw, have you guys got the castle DLC? I got it and the quest is pretty cool if rather short, and you get a castle in the end. I hope they add more stuff to it, the way you could have a castle in NWN 2, in future DLCs.
Quote from: Solmyr on November 13, 2009, 11:28:43 AM
About beating Flemeth, same tactics as with the High Dragon. Tank it, turn it away from the rest of the group. You definitely want to have a healer and tons of health and mana potions. Use preferably ranged dps.
I pretty much soloed her as Shale. Flemmeth ate my rogue and Alistair within 10 seconds from the time the fight began and Wynne survived by some dumb luck - but instead of her I could have just used potions. On the other hand, Shale was indomitable.
When I bought this today, the woman asked for my ID because she needed to check that I wasn't younger than 17. :o
Janeway! :wub:
I think over half of the Voyager cast were put to work in the game.
Quote from: Habbaku on November 14, 2009, 03:39:14 AM
I think over half of the Voyager cast were put to work in the game.
Yeah Tuvok is the elven mage in the Dalish camp I think.
My wife sits behind me in our computer room, with her back to me as she plays her mmorpger. As I've been playing the game, she's been calling out character names from the voices. Shouts of "Tuvok" and "Janeway" have punctuated my gameplay.
Beat it. Sixty-two hours. Last fight on easy, since I was tired of reloading the battle. But actually, the last battle wasn't all that hard- just repetitive and boring. Ending was decent.
Quote from: Scipio on November 14, 2009, 09:20:00 AM
My wife sits behind me in our computer room, with her back to me as she plays her mmorpger. As I've been playing the game, she's been calling out character names from the voices. Shouts of "Tuvok" and "Janeway" have punctuated my gameplay.
Your wife sounds awesome. :cool:
Quote from: Cecil on November 14, 2009, 04:31:15 AM
Yeah Tuvok is the elven mage in the Dalish camp I think.
I kept looking to see if he'd turn black. :(
Quote from: Caliga on November 14, 2009, 10:37:05 PM
Quote from: Scipio on November 14, 2009, 09:20:00 AM
My wife sits behind me in our computer room, with her back to me as she plays her mmorpger. As I've been playing the game, she's been calling out character names from the voices. Shouts of "Tuvok" and "Janeway" have punctuated my gameplay.
Your wife sounds awesome. :cool:
Unfortunately, she doesn't like beer.
Quote from: Scipio on November 14, 2009, 09:20:00 AM
My wife sits behind me in our computer room, with her back to me as she plays her mmorpger. As I've been playing the game, she's been calling out character names from the voices. Shouts of "Tuvok" and "Janeway" have punctuated my gameplay.
:( That's too bad.
Did you know she was a Voyagertard before you asked her to marry you? If so, then it is your own fault that you must tolerate this behavior.
Quote from: grumbler on November 15, 2009, 07:46:45 AM
Quote from: Scipio on November 14, 2009, 09:20:00 AM
My wife sits behind me in our computer room, with her back to me as she plays her mmorpger. As I've been playing the game, she's been calling out character names from the voices. Shouts of "Tuvok" and "Janeway" have punctuated my gameplay.
:( That's too bad.
Did you know she was a Voyagertard before you asked her to marry you? If so, then it is your own fault that you must tolerate this behavior.
She vastly prefers TOS to all Trek, unfortunately.
Finished the game last night and damn that was a good story. I liked the ending part, gotta play it through to get some better endings. Especially the dwarves part where the evil asshole turns out to be a much better king.
Best. Convo. Ever. :lol:
Shale: "So I noticed that the painted elf is trying to get that one's attention"
Zevran: "Yeah, so you noticed well."
Shale: "I have seen couplings like this before in the village. Or more precisely, was forced to watch. I have to warn you that it usually ended in reproduction"
Zevran: "Well thank you for your concern, but I don't think this is likely to happen in this particular instance, but we will have fun trying."
Shale: "Does the painted elf think I could find love as well?"
Zevran: "Well, possibly, but your lover is going to end up with a lot of bruises."
Shale: "I am not sure it would work for golems. Usually we are slaves to the one who holds our control rod."
Zevran: "Funny, it works exactly like that for us as well."
The dwarf is really funny. :D
I know. :D
Oghren/Morrigan/Zevran party is a hoot.
Oghren: "Oooooh, I'd sooo give it to you."
Morrigan: "Er... excuse me?!"
Oghren: "Shit, did I just say it out loud?"
or
Oghren: "So, are you and boss... heh heh?"
Zevran: "Yes, as a matter of fact we are."
Oghren: "Heh, good luck."
Zevran: "Thank you."
Oghren: "Just keep it out of everybody else's face..."
Oh and Morrigan and Zevran are bad influence. They convinced me to side with Prince Bhaelen and to keep the anvil working. :blush:
Quote from: Martinus on November 15, 2009, 04:32:50 PM
I know. :D
Oghren/Morrigan/Zevran party is a hoot.
Oghren: "Oooooh, I'd sooo give it to you."
Morrigan: "Er... excuse me?!"
Oghren: "Shit, did I just say it out loud?"
Oh shit. I have to play this.
Quote from: Martinus on November 15, 2009, 04:32:50 PM
I know. :D
Oghren/Morrigan/Zevran party is a hoot.
Oghren: "Oooooh, I'd sooo give it to you."
Morrigan: "Er... excuse me?!"
Oghren: "Shit, did I just say it out loud?"
or
Oghren: "So, are you and boss... heh heh?"
Zevran: "Yes, as a matter of fact we are."
Oghren: "Heh, good luck."
Zevran: "Thank you."
Oghren: "Just keep it out of everybody else's face..."
He has some funny lines with Leliana too :D
The last fight is stupid easy unless my game glitched.
Can you really just stand at the ballista and shoot the archdemon while it stands there and roars? :P
I don't like the Fade.
Quote from: Jaron on November 15, 2009, 09:52:37 PM
The last fight is stupid easy unless my game glitched.
Can you really just stand at the ballista and shoot the archdemon while it stands there and roars? :P
Not in my copy. That fucker chases you down hardcore. I have found cone of cold to be a great equalizer overall.
I guess I got lucky. ;)
Oghren and Alistair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb-tIfCYzlA
Could you please indicate spoilers in your intro before posting stuff. <_<
Although that last bit between Alistair and the dwarf was fun.
Also I read that there's a mod in the works to finally enable the romance for guys with our favorite young templar. :wub:
G.
Quote from: Grallon on November 16, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Could you please indicate spoilers in your intro before posting stuff. <_<
Although that last bit between Alistair and the dwarf was fun.
Also I read that there's a mod in the works to finally enable the romance for guys with our favorite young templar. :wub:
G.
you're in the DA:O thread. Of course there'll be spoilers.
Speaking of archery--one of my favorite tactics in big boss fights has developed this way:
All characters flip to ranged and big boss starts after one of them. That one runs in a circle around the others until boss loses interest and goes after another. I then switch to controlling the new target and repeat. :lol:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 16, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
Speaking of archery--one of my favorite tactics in big boss fights has developed this way:
All characters flip to ranged and big boss starts after one of them. That one runs in a circle around the others until boss loses interest and goes after another. I then switch to controlling the new target and repeat. :lol:
I used that tactic against the Ogre at the top of the Tower of Ishal. For some reason he had a boner for trying to kill my main (a mage) and never stopped trying to zerg him. Made the battle a joke, though a long, tedious joke. :cool:
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 16, 2009, 02:26:10 PM
you're in the DA:O thread. Of course there'll be spoilers.
No, that's not good enough. I'm not all that far into the game (just cleared Tower of Ishaal and only finally finished the intro as far as I can tell). I want to talk about the game, but don't want major plot elements spoiled. It's not hard to use tags, or leave whitespace, for spoilers.
Quote from: Caliga on November 16, 2009, 03:07:37 PM
I used that tactic against the Ogre at the top of the Tower of Ishal. For some reason he had a boner for trying to kill my main (a mage) and never stopped trying to zerg him. Made the battle a joke, though a long, tedious joke. :cool:
Mages are awesome for big fights like that. The ability to cast numerous heal spells makes things a lot easier...
Quote from: Barrister on November 16, 2009, 03:17:30 PM
Mages are awesome for big fights like that. The ability to cast numerous heal spells makes things a lot easier...
Once I realized that the mages in DA:O are both the main DPS *and* the healer, my choice was made as to what class to play. :smoke:
Quote from: Caliga on November 16, 2009, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 16, 2009, 03:17:30 PM
Mages are awesome for big fights like that. The ability to cast numerous heal spells makes things a lot easier...
Once I realized that the mages in DA:O are both the main DPS *and* the healer, my choice was made as to what class to play. :smoke:
Rogue!
Quote from: Caliga on November 16, 2009, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 16, 2009, 03:17:30 PM
Mages are awesome for big fights like that. The ability to cast numerous heal spells makes things a lot easier...
Once I realized that the mages in DA:O are both the main DPS *and* the healer, my choice was made as to what class to play. :smoke:
Don't you mean main DPS *or* the healer?
I don't have enough mana to do both...
Quote from: Barrister on November 16, 2009, 05:00:05 PM
Don't you mean main DPS *or* the healer?
I don't have enough mana to do both...
The staff with a few arcane bolts thrown in there can do some nice damage between heals.
Quote from: Barrister on November 16, 2009, 05:00:05 PM
Don't you mean main DPS *or* the healer?
I don't have enough mana to do both...
You will. Plus your staff does a lot of range damage mana free.
Mage healing is really just a backup to when taking healing pots isnt enough - because the character is stunned or otherwise unable to take the potion. Also - regeneration is your friend. It is very mana efficient.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 16, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 16, 2009, 05:00:05 PM
Don't you mean main DPS *or* the healer?
I don't have enough mana to do both...
You will. Plus your staff does a lot of range damage mana free.
Mage healing is really just a backup to when taking healing pots isnt enough - because the character is stunned or otherwise unable to take the potion. Also - regeneration is your friend. It is very mana efficient.
Oh, I learned that the staff does a nice bit of damage mana-free, so I've certainly been using that.
Still struggling with the tactics on everyone else though. How do I get them to "attach whomever the tank is attacking, but nobody else"? I can usually get them to attack the tank's target, but sometimes when that target goes down and nobody else is in melee range they start racing off in different directions.
I am pretty sure their is a tactic command to attack the target of ??? or it might be attack whoever is attacking ???. Take a look at that.
But I wouldnt do that. I like letting my tank soak up all the aggro and have the other three take down the mobs the tank is not on first.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 16, 2009, 05:47:49 PM
I am pretty sure their is a tactic command to attack the target of ??? or it might be attack whoever is attacking ???. Take a look at that.
But I wouldnt do that. I like letting my tank soak up all the aggro and have the other three take down the mobs the tank is not on first.
There is. But I *think* the problem is that once the tank has no target, they do to their second target, who isn't who I want them to attack.
In factI'm not quite clear how the different ranks of tactics work at all...
Quote from: Grallon on November 16, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Also I read that there's a mod in the works to finally enable the romance for guys with our favorite young templar. :wub:
Interesting fact: If you load a homomod, the game will disable itself.
I cant wait for someone to make a mod to have sex with the dog.
Great the brain hacked Jaron account again.
I wonder when a family values group will speak out against this because of its simulated gay sex scenes.
I finished the game last night. Yay.
Multiple mage parties are ridiculously easy.
Damn, I am already thinking of replaying the game. I'm considering either a human noble or a human mage. Any suggestions?
I think a human noble offers more variety in terms of story line... but not sure.
I cannot finish the Redcliffe zombie attack thing. Simply too amny of them, and I get overwhelmed every time.
Shale sucks. He just runs off and dies every time. is there anyway to change your party composition when you are not in a camp?
I actually had that same problem, Berkut, and then when time when I tried, I simply didn't have it anymore. During one of the quiet periods I walked down to the docks (side of lake closest to mill) and killed a few stragglers over there. A little while later I got a cutscene. Can't really what I did differently that time though.
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
I cannot finish the Redcliffe zombie attack thing. Simply too amny of them, and I get overwhelmed every time.
Shale sucks. He just runs off and dies every time. is there anyway to change your party composition when you are not in a camp?
Use the knights
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
I cannot finish the Redcliffe zombie attack thing. Simply too amny of them, and I get overwhelmed every time.
Like with many of the Bioware games, you just need to make sure you have shitloads of health potions at all times. That's what it took for me to get through the Redcliffe battle.
I need to mess with the tactics thing more to see if there's a way to trigger your AI-controlled companions to automatically consume poultices/lyrium potions when their health/mana pools drop to a certain level. As it stands my peeps always fight to the death, though healers like Wynne do heal themselves and others.
Yes you can set tactics to use them. Then they use them furiously. :(
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 17, 2009, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
I cannot finish the Redcliffe zombie attack thing. Simply too amny of them, and I get overwhelmed every time.
Shale sucks. He just runs off and dies every time. is there anyway to change your party composition when you are not in a camp?
Use the knights
Yeah, the first part where you fight with the knights is pretty easy. The second part (actually, I guess from the way it plays out you can do either first?) seems never ending.
I was wondering if I needed to do something else - maybe they really are never ending.
Oh and Berk did you go around town trying to get people to sign up to defend the village?
Quote from: garbon on November 17, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
Oh and Berk did you go around town trying to get people to sign up to defend the village?
Yeah.
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:24:18 AM
I was wondering if I needed to do something else - maybe they really are never ending.
It seems that way, but they're not neverending. IIRC I read on a Bioware post that there are exactly 100 of them.
I guess I need a lot more health potions.
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:24:18 AM
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Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
I cannot finish the Redcliffe zombie attack thing. Simply too amny of them, and I get overwhelmed every time.
Shale sucks. He just runs off and dies every time. is there anyway to change your party composition when you are not in a camp?
Use the knights
Yeah, the first part where you fight with the knights is pretty easy. The second part (actually, I guess from the way it plays out you can do either first?) seems never ending.
I was wondering if I needed to do something else - maybe they really are never ending.
Run back up to the knights.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 17, 2009, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:24:18 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 17, 2009, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
I cannot finish the Redcliffe zombie attack thing. Simply too amny of them, and I get overwhelmed every time.
Shale sucks. He just runs off and dies every time. is there anyway to change your party composition when you are not in a camp?
Use the knights
Yeah, the first part where you fight with the knights is pretty easy. The second part (actually, I guess from the way it plays out you can do either first?) seems never ending.
I was wondering if I needed to do something else - maybe they really are never ending.
Run back up to the knights.
Well, fucking duh. Now I feel like an idiot.
FYI: There's a battle like that in the castle, too. It'll seem impossible and will frustrate the fuck out of you until you figure out a similar 'shortcut' that makes it a complete joke.
Really? :huh:
Quote from: garbon on November 17, 2009, 10:58:25 AM
Really? :huh:
[spoiler]
I'm talking about the Revenant battle. I didn't realize you could open the gate there and let the knights in and the Revenant utterly destroyed my party like four times till I noticed the gate leverl. :blush:
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Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:24:18 AM
I was wondering if I needed to do something else - maybe they really are never ending.
I just fought that battle on hard. At first I thought it would be easy. Then the militia died one by one. Then my mage and rogue died. Only two tanks remained. Just when I gave up all hope they stopped coming.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 16, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
Speaking of archery--one of my favorite tactics in big boss fights has developed this way:
All characters flip to ranged and big boss starts after one of them. That one runs in a circle around the others until boss loses interest and goes after another. I then switch to controlling the new target and repeat. :lol:
Which kinda annoys me in Bioware games since BG: they are notoriously melee-unfriendly, with the standard tactics for basically every boss being to kite and shoot them. I personally prefer melee characters by far.
Quote from: Caliga on November 17, 2009, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 17, 2009, 10:58:25 AM
Really? :huh:
[spoiler]
I'm talking about the Revenant battle. I didn't realize you could open the gate there and let the knights in and the Revenant utterly destroyed my party like four times till I noticed the gate leverl. :blush:
[/spoiler]
Quote[spoiler]get an archer near enough to the gate so that the dead archers on the battlement see you but without the Revenant activating - kill those and then advance a little towards the Revenant so that his 2 pals activate. Then you can attack the Revenant on its own[spoiler]
Mind you I play on easy for this 1st run.
G.
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:24:18 AM
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I cannot finish the Redcliffe zombie attack thing. Simply too amny of them, and I get overwhelmed every time.
Shale sucks. He just runs off and dies every time. is there anyway to change your party composition when you are not in a camp?
Use the knights
Yeah, the first part where you fight with the knights is pretty easy. The second part (actually, I guess from the way it plays out you can do either first?) seems never ending.
I was wondering if I needed to do something else - maybe they really are never ending.
I put everyone on hold, I used an archer, and I lured them one at a time.
Once they started to all move toward me, I raced to open the door.
Quote from: viper37 on November 17, 2009, 11:28:31 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:24:18 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 17, 2009, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
I cannot finish the Redcliffe zombie attack thing. Simply too amny of them, and I get overwhelmed every time.
Shale sucks. He just runs off and dies every time. is there anyway to change your party composition when you are not in a camp?
Use the knights
Yeah, the first part where you fight with the knights is pretty easy. The second part (actually, I guess from the way it plays out you can do either first?) seems never ending.
I was wondering if I needed to do something else - maybe they really are never ending.
I put everyone on hold, I used an archer, and I lured them one at a time.
Once they started to all move toward me, I raced to open the door.
What door?
Quote from: Berkut on November 17, 2009, 11:29:13 AM
What door?
I'm sorry, I thought you meant the fight in the Redcliffe Castle yard, but you meant the one in the actual village.
So, what I did was put everyone with ranged weapons, except the tank, wich I kep on hold. That's the first part with the Knights. I let them cross the fire, then shoot them one by one, letting the allied knights attack them.
Once I get the message that they are coming from the harbour, I raced there, and I used melee attack for nearly all of my characters (I let the mage a little behind me), it was the only way I could survive, fighting alongside the militia, otherwise, they were immediatly killed and then I got overwhelmed by the zombies.
No particular tricks, just hack&slash, use healing spell and the freezing one. Usually, concentrate on one or two targets at a time so they are quickly dispatched. I play on hard, and once I did that, I could dispose of them pretty easily with most of the militia surviving.
Cal, you were not paying attention to the dialogue. The Arl's brother tells you that the soldiers will be waiting for you to open the gate - it is basically your mission... ;)
Berk, in the village brawl, you can win the battle without leading them back up to the soldiers but you need Morrigan to have some healing and crowd control spells and you need everyone to use healing and lesser healing early and often once you get down to the village.
If you need to, retreat back up to the soldiers and then the battle gets easy.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 17, 2009, 12:19:48 PM
Cal, you were not paying attention to the dialogue. The Arl's brother tells you that the soldiers will be waiting for you to open the gate - it is basically your mission... ;)
I forgot. :blush: I usually only play this game for like 1-2 hour stretches at a time... which is why I'm not even close to beating it yet.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 17, 2009, 12:19:48 PM
Cal, you were not paying attention to the dialogue. The Arl's brother tells you that the soldiers will be waiting for you to open the gate - it is basically your mission... ;)
:yes:
Quote from: Caliga on November 17, 2009, 12:20:52 PM
I forgot. :blush: I usually only play this game for like 1-2 hour stretches at a time... which is why I'm not even close to beating it yet.
I have, I think, nearly 80hrs of game time and I have not finished yet :D
For the Village, I had Winne, Morrigan & Leliana + my dwarf tank.
Everyone died except my tank, I had no more potions & barely any HP left. I ran to the Knights. They took care of everything quite easily.
Once you get ahead of the spawn rate the zombie horde is manageable. Focus fire and fast kills did it for me but it took me two tries.
Not sure if this has been posted
I just added a really useful mod that puts a chest in your campsite so that you can store items. It's been really useful for me, especially to stash all my gifts in there which take up ridiculous amounts of room in my pack
http://social.bioware.com/project/463/#details
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 17, 2009, 02:08:26 PM
Not sure if this has been posted
I just added a really useful mod that puts a chest in your campsite so that you can store items. It's been really useful for me, especially to stash all my gifts in there which take up ridiculous amounts of room in my pack
http://social.bioware.com/project/463/#details
DragonNexus? That's a collection of mods being churned out. I installed the Respec mod - very nice. I'll look up this one - it will be useful.
G.
That will help a great deal.
Also, if a respec mod does what I think that will be fantanstic - does it work for the NPC's in your party as well?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 17, 2009, 02:08:26 PM
Not sure if this has been posted
I just added a really useful mod that puts a chest in your campsite so that you can store items. It's been really useful for me, especially to stash all my gifts in there which take up ridiculous amounts of room in my pack
http://social.bioware.com/project/463/#details
You could use the dwarf merchant as a pawn shop for the same purpose, though. ;)
Also, I think I will have to wait a couple of weeks before the replay. I tried doing it and felt bored very quickly. On the other hand, when I sit here I keep thinking of replaying it. So yeah, need a break from the "mechanics" so to speak.
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2009, 02:21:14 PM
You could use the dwarf merchant as a pawn shop for the same purpose, though. ;)
And pay 5 gold for the item you sold him for 1. I think I'll stick with my free camp chest.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 17, 2009, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2009, 02:21:14 PM
You could use the dwarf merchant as a pawn shop for the same purpose, though. ;)
And pay 5 gold for the item you sold him for 1. I think I'll stick with my free camp chest.
It's cheating, though. :P
I'll think I'll install the respec mod too. I want to get rid of pickpocket and replace it with something else. I've used it exactly 3 times, all in Orzammar during the intro.
Oh speccing Morrigan out of Shapeshifter.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 17, 2009, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2009, 02:21:14 PM
You could use the dwarf merchant as a pawn shop for the same purpose, though. ;)
And pay 5 gold for the item you sold him for 1. I think I'll stick with my free camp chest.
Marti's keen financial mind missed that.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 17, 2009, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 17, 2009, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2009, 02:21:14 PM
You could use the dwarf merchant as a pawn shop for the same purpose, though. ;)
And pay 5 gold for the item you sold him for 1. I think I'll stick with my free camp chest.
Marti's keen financial mind missed that.
I guess your keen lawyering mind missed the fact that putting an object in game that allows you to achieve a benefit that you would not be otherwise able to achieve is in fact cheating.
It's a mod, it was even made by a bioware dev.
Have you not played a Bioware game before? modding is part of it.
Wonderfull holier than thou attitude too. It's a Single Player game, you're not cheating you are modifiyng it.
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2009, 02:54:44 PM
I guess your keen lawyering mind missed the fact that putting an object in game that allows you to achieve a benefit that you would not be otherwise able to achieve is in fact cheating.
Idoit boy. You said it could be used for the same purpose which clearly it cant.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 17, 2009, 03:07:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2009, 02:54:44 PM
I guess your keen lawyering mind missed the fact that putting an object in game that allows you to achieve a benefit that you would not be otherwise able to achieve is in fact cheating.
Idoit boy. You said it could be used for the same purpose which clearly it cant.
L2write plox.
Marti, is this mod cheating too? :lol:
Gay Bars of Ferelden (http://social.bioware.com/project/517/)
The chest will probably even be released on the 360 someday...as part of a paid for DLC
I like the fact that it is made by someone called "PavelNovotny". :D
Anyway I hate you all since I can't use the mods for Xbox. :P
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 17, 2009, 03:11:37 PM
The chest will probably even be released on the 360 someday...as part of a paid for DLC
Actually, the paid DLC keep has a chest like that. ;)
Yeah but you got to hike all the way to the keep. The camp is a bit more convenient.
You are right Marti. I should have called you an Idiot.
Dumb question, but...
I finally discovered the first 'new' member to my group. I can gain Leilani (sp?), but lose another member. How does that work - I don't want to lose the other member for good. How does that work?
You don't lose any party members permanently unless you specifically ask them to leave. When you get the new person, you'll have the opportunity to select the ones you want to keep in the party at the moment. When you finally leave Lothering, you'll have a campground button that will enable you to switch your party around however you please (including the ones that you sidelined).
Quote from: Habbaku on November 18, 2009, 01:18:54 AM
You don't lose any party members permanently unless you specifically ask them to leave. When you get the new person, you'll have the opportunity to select the ones you want to keep in the party at the moment. When you finally leave Lothering, you'll have a campground button that will enable you to switch your party around however you please (including the ones that you sidelined).
Ah, cool.
Where is this campground button you speak of?
Seems like I can only swap my party members around when I actually travel.
When you go to the world map, there's a little minimap in the upper right corner with an icon of a campfire on it. Click on that to go to the campsite. It's a little unintuitive.
Quote from: Barrister on November 18, 2009, 01:52:09 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 18, 2009, 01:18:54 AM
You don't lose any party members permanently unless you specifically ask them to leave. When you get the new person, you'll have the opportunity to select the ones you want to keep in the party at the moment. When you finally leave Lothering, you'll have a campground button that will enable you to switch your party around however you please (including the ones that you sidelined).
Ah, cool.
Do remember to take most of your toons out for a spin if you wanna do personal quests. Also Pass on some gear to the NPCs you dont use often because they will need it by endgame.
Yahtzee takes on Dragon Age: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1096-Dragon-Age-Origins
Quote from: Valmy on November 18, 2009, 01:39:12 PM
Yahtzee takes on Dragon Age: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1096-Dragon-Age-Origins
:lol:
He's right.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 18, 2009, 01:56:24 PM
He's right.
He actually liked the game to. That was a bit of a surprise.
Of course he is - nothing new in any of these games. I haven't played Mass Effect - perhaps I should - that seemed different. Game publishers are just like any other business: they go for the money first - lore/innovation distant second.
G.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 17, 2009, 02:08:26 PM
Not sure if this has been posted
I just added a really useful mod that puts a chest in your campsite so that you can store items. It's been really useful for me, especially to stash all my gifts in there which take up ridiculous amounts of room in my pack
http://social.bioware.com/project/463/#details (http://social.bioware.com/project/463/#details)
You got that with the Grey Warden home base.
Quote from: Grallon on November 18, 2009, 02:06:43 PM
Of course he is - nothing new in any of these games. I haven't played Mass Effect - perhaps I should - that seemed different. Game publishers are just like any other business: they go for the money first - lore/innovation distant second.
I thought there was alot innovative about the game. I especially liked each human nation having its own Euro accent that was pretty interesting.
But yeah they set out to use the familiar fantasy tropes and put a new spin on them, that was the entire stated goal. I don't know if that is out of some sort of mercenary shallowness because I totally didn't get that vibe out of the game, you can really feel alot of hard work and passion went into it.
Quote from: viper37 on November 18, 2009, 04:11:42 PM
You got that with the Grey Warden home base.
But you have to travel to the keep in order to use it. This is in your campsite so you can access it anywhere. Much better.
I agree, Val, although I wasn't a fan of the whole fantasy nations based on real countries. :yawn:
I did like female Jesus though. :wub:
Quote from: Valmy on November 18, 2009, 04:17:40 PM
But yeah they set out to use the familiar fantasy tropes and put a new spin on them, that was the entire stated goal. I don't know if that is out of some sort of mercenary shallowness because I totally didn't get that vibe out of the game, you can really feel alot of hard work and passion went into it.
I'm not saying this product isn't good or well done - it is. But as you said it's nothing new under the sun. Even though chocolate cake or pecan pie are good - if it's all there ever is on the menu it gets old.
G.
Quote from: garbon on November 18, 2009, 04:29:01 PM
I agree, Val, although I wasn't a fan of the whole fantasy nations based on real countries. :yawn:
I just thought it was cool I could tell where somebody was from based on their accent. That was pretty awesome so long as you get past the fact that accent is shared by real world country. You cannot really do anything about that because what are they supposed to do? Make up an accent?
I mean my character would probably be able to know an Orlesian or an Antivan just by hearing them talk and now so can I. I never have seen that done before...
as for based on real countries...yeah I don't really think medieval Spain was over-run by assassins but maybe that is just me.
Who are the Qunari supposed to be.... the Norse?
Quote from: Grallon on November 18, 2009, 04:32:29 PM
I'm not saying this product isn't good or well done - it is. But as you said it's nothing new under the sun. Even though chocolate cake or pecan pie are good - if it's all there ever is on the menu it gets old.
Well in my world there hasn't been a good single player game with fantasy tropes since Icewind Dale 2 so I was starvin for some chocolate cake.
But it does get a little old with the MMORPG market being all about the same thing.
Quote from: Grallon on November 18, 2009, 04:32:29 PM
Even though chocolate cake or pecan pie are good - if it's all there ever is on the menu it gets old.
G.
:o
Take that back, you fucking heretic! :angry:
Quote from: Valmy on November 18, 2009, 04:32:40 PM
as for based on real countries...yeah I don't really think medieval Spain was over-run by assassins but maybe that is just me.
really? :unsure:
Oh and as far as what you can do, speak American. :angry:
I'm not sure how one can really get tired of a gaming genre that has one entry every several years at best. I want more classical fantasy games like this.
Quote from: garbon on November 18, 2009, 04:39:20 PM
really? :unsure:
The Castillian Crows? Of course we never get to see Antiva so maybe it is Spain based. Ferelden certainly does a good job imitating Anglo-Saxon England in its political structure...
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 18, 2009, 04:40:24 PM
I'm not sure how one can really get tired of a gaming genre that has one entry every several years at best. I want more classical fantasy games like this.
I am hoping Bioware makes alot of Mass Effect and Dragon Age games. They might not be the most innovative thing anybody every brought to the Sci Fi and Fantasy genres but they do them really well.
Quote from: Valmy on November 18, 2009, 04:40:37 PM
The Castillian Crows? Of course we never get to see Antiva so maybe it is Spain based. Ferelden certainly does a good job imitating Anglo-Saxon England in its political structure...
I was more incredulous about your statement about medieval Spain.
Quote from: garbon on November 18, 2009, 04:39:20 PM
Oh and as far as what you can do, speak American. :angry:
The non-humans speak American! It is because the Canadian company is trying to portray Americans as subhumans.
Yeah, I don't get the "elves shoot bows and live in the forest" criticism, either. What are they supposed to do? Shoot fire out of their arse? That's the classic fantasy setting and I don't really see the point with fucking up with the classic races - on the other hand, the secondary layer (society etc.) was quite original - the whole gypsy/Jew take on elves; the ancient Japan/Rome society for the dwarves etc. - all of that has been creative, and in ways more intelligent than replacing elves with two-headed monkeys or something.
Plus it's the plot that matters - not the setting, as such. You could just as well level the same criticism about any novel or play set on the Earth - why have the same boring and tired humans where you could have blue fluorescent giants instead playing out, say, the American Civil War in North & South. :rolleyes:
Quote from: garbon on November 18, 2009, 04:44:22 PM
I was more incredulous about your statement about medieval Spain.
So...you agree that Antiva as described in the game doesn't sound much like Spain despite the fact they speak like Spaniards?
Quote from: Valmy on November 18, 2009, 04:45:51 PM
The non-humans speak American! It is because the Canadian company is trying to portray Americans as subhumans.
:(
Quote from: Martinus on November 18, 2009, 04:46:31 PM
You could just as well level the same criticism about any historical novel - after all it uses the same tired old setting of, say, medieval Europe, rather than coming up with something "new".
I haven't seen one of your analogies in a while. :hug:
Quote from: Valmy on November 18, 2009, 04:46:35 PM
So...you agree that Antiva as described in the game doesn't sound much like Spain despite the fact they speak like Spaniards?
Quite the contrary. Who do you think El Cid was?
I thought Antiva was more like Italy. The Spanish accent aside, the whole city-state culture with assassins and stuff are more like the Medicis and Borgias to me (yeah I know Borgias originally hailed from Spain but you get my drift).
Quote from: garbon on November 18, 2009, 04:48:46 PM
Quite the contrary. Who do you think El Cid was?
I thought he was a general...or whatever the 11th century equivalent to a general is.
Quote from: garbon on November 18, 2009, 04:29:01 PM
I agree, Val, although I wasn't a fan of the whole fantasy nations based on real countries. :yawn:
I did like female Jesus though. :wub:
She's Joan of Fucking Arc, for Chrissakes.
Quote from: Scipio on November 18, 2009, 07:16:03 PM
She's Joan of Fucking Arc, for Chrissakes.
And who was Joan but a Jesus figure? :P :blush:
um ok, so is it actually possible to win the battle against the three Drakes in the Temple Caverns without turning difficulty down to easy? :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on November 18, 2009, 08:37:50 PM
um ok, so is it actually possible to win the battle against the three Drakes in the Temple Caverns without turning difficulty down to easy? :huh:
Cone of cold fixes their shit what good.
Edit : Actually, I find cone of cold makes just about every boss fight a hell of a lot easier.
Quote from: Habbaku on November 18, 2009, 08:41:54 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 18, 2009, 08:37:50 PM
um ok, so is it actually possible to win the battle against the three Drakes in the Temple Caverns without turning difficulty down to easy? :huh:
Cone of cold fixes their shit what good.
Edit : Actually, I find cone of cold makes just about every boss fight a hell of a lot easier.
F'shizzle, m'nizzle.
My (main) mage doesn't have that yet. I typically use fireball in these situations but these dudes seem to be immune. Usually fireball + let them burn/pummel with arrows and lightning bolts/arcane shots + sleep + horror on one target + CHARGE! or something like that.
Yeah cone of cold is pretty wicked.
Quote from: Caliga on November 18, 2009, 08:37:50 PM
um ok, so is it actually possible to win the battle against the three Drakes in the Temple Caverns without turning difficulty down to easy? :huh:
I never did that fight. I snuck past and the rest of my party got teleported to me when I ran in to a cut scene :lol:
I would have used force field to incapacitate one (can't resist) and then petrify and sleep and try to take them out one at a time
Meh, I got tired of trying different strategies, all of which failed, so I just tuned the difficulty down to Easy for that fight. Had to do the same thing later when I ran into some more drakes. Unless I do that, they all have this Overpower move where they throw my peeps to the floor, one at a time, and eat them to death. Just couldn't figure out any way to stop that from happening, aside from Sleep which has a cooldown of course.
Cone of Cold + Jumpy Lightning = Death
Quote from: Caliga on November 18, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
Who are the Qunari supposed to be.... the Norse?
Seem to be a blend between the Vikings and Mongols, in a generic "foreign invader" way.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 19, 2009, 07:33:49 AM
Cone of Cold + Jumpy Lightning = Death
I have neither spell, but I've since put Morrigan back into my party, who has Cone of Cold.
I agree with the Yahtzee review on one thing though, the world maps look like someone puked them out. :P
Quote from: Caliga on November 19, 2009, 06:51:03 AMUnless I do that, they all have this Overpower move where they throw my peeps to the floor, one at a time, and eat them to death.
Maybe you could interrupt it with something like Shield Bash.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 18, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
But you have to travel to the keep in order to use it. This is in your campsite so you can access it anywhere. Much better.
true, also makes the game quite easier ;)
That's why I use my Keep ;)
How much does the keep cost again? $7? Do the folks who have it think it's worth it?
What's in the Keep?
It'd be even more difficult if you didn't use the keep either, or download the DLC. The camp chest is a bioware mod the same as the keep, it's just free. Walking back and forth is just a pain in the ass.
Quote from: Caliga on November 18, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
Who are the Qunari supposed to be.... the Norse?
I think so. Big guys with pretty womens that you rarely see?
Quote from: Caliga on November 18, 2009, 08:37:50 PM
um ok, so is it actually possible to win the battle against the three Drakes in the Temple Caverns without turning difficulty down to easy? :huh:
of course :)
It's super easy.
After the 5th or 6th attempt :P
What you need to do is to lure the characters one by one, try to dispose of the mage first, freeze the drakes, use sleep, horror, bash, destroy, kill, eliminate, whatever! :D
IIRC, cold is effective against these beasts, so I used my freezing spells on the drakes, and concentrate on one at a time.
Quote from: Caliga on November 18, 2009, 08:48:44 PM
My (main) mage doesn't have that yet. I typically use fireball in these situations but these dudes seem to be immune. Usually fireball + let them burn/pummel with arrows and lightning bolts/arcane shots + sleep + horror on one target + CHARGE! or something like that.
dragons, dude, dragons!! Do you really think a fire breathing beast would be damaged by some little fire?? ;) :D
Quote from: Caliga on November 19, 2009, 11:20:00 AM
How much does the keep cost again? $7? Do the folks who have it think it's worth it?
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 19, 2009, 11:21:32 AM
What's in the Keep?
Yes it is worth the 7$. I got the collector's edition so I had all this included in my package, but I think it's all worth the 10$ more I paid for the game :)
What's in it?
Well, you got another level with some more creeps to kill. Spawns&demons mostly. A few ghosts. A ton of experience.
And once it's complete, you can get 2 merchants, one of wich is a smith that can craft you a nice sword if you had the Superman interlude ;)
And you got your chest, of course.
Imho, it's worth it. So is the Shale expansion. I so like that guy! :D
Quote from: viper37 on November 19, 2009, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 18, 2009, 08:48:44 PM
My (main) mage doesn't have that yet. I typically use fireball in these situations but these dudes seem to be immune. Usually fireball + let them burn/pummel with arrows and lightning bolts/arcane shots + sleep + horror on one target + CHARGE! or something like that.
dragons, dude, dragons!! Do you really think a fire breathing beast would be damaged by some little fire?? ;) :D
Yep. Cone of cold, ice weapons and winter's grasp ripped them up nicely. I don't have blizzard yet.
Yes, I know that (now). -_-
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 19, 2009, 11:21:32 AM
What's in the Keep?
A very special drink, some old warden's sword and a couple of dudes you can buy some things from.
The next DLC has been announced, Return to Ostagar, for $4.99.
http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=61314
Honestly I would much prefer a real expansion pack in stead of piece meal dungeon packs like this.
I still have not gotten the golem nor do I have any clue as to where to go to get him, but if he's anything like the golem form you get in the Fade, I badly need his ass in my party. :mmm:
Quote from: Caliga on November 19, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
I still have not gotten the golem nor do I have any clue as to where to go to get him, but if he's anything like the golem form you get in the Fade, I badly need his ass in my party. :mmm:
Way better than the form you get in the Fade. :)
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 19, 2009, 12:39:58 PM
Yep. Cone of cold, ice weapons and winter's grasp ripped them up nicely. I don't have blizzard yet.
I am finding blizzard to be rather worthless, myself.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 19, 2009, 12:43:53 PM
The next DLC has been announced, Return to Ostagar, for $4.99.
http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=61314
Honestly I would much prefer a real expansion pack in stead of piece meal dungeon packs like this.
I can get that.
However I am a total sucker and junkie for Bioware's sweet RPG crack. I understand it is people like me who ruin it for the rest of you...but I am addicted. *downloads*
Quote from: Habbaku on November 19, 2009, 01:25:59 PM
I am finding blizzard to be rather worthless, myself.
There are a few spells that seem like they should be awesome but actually suck...especially that health regenerating aura in the Spirit Healer line that drains all Wynne's mana. I mean health regen is not worth not being able to cast any other spells! Same for Haste.
Next time I will not bother getting them.
Quote from: Caliga on November 19, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
I still have not gotten the golem nor do I have any clue as to where to go to get him, but if he's anything like the golem form you get in the Fade, I badly need his ass in my party. :mmm:
If you have the DLC, at some point, you will hear about a small village where you can find him. Someone will propose to sell you a control rod for the golem and tell you where he is.
Quote from: Valmy on November 19, 2009, 01:32:26 PM
There are a few spells that seem like they should be awesome but actually suck...especially that health regenerating aura in the Spirit Healer line that drains all Wynne's mana. I mean health regen is not worth not being able to cast any other spells! Same for Haste.
I didn't plan out my mage's growth as carefully as I should have and as such I have both Tempest AND Inferno, which are just about the same thing. The only real advantage to having both is that they don't share a cooldown and you can cast one on top of the other. A good way to start a battle if you see enemies but have not yet aggroed them is: Inferno + Fireball + Tempest, especially if they are enemies that attack ranged. Due to this combo I easily annihilate enemy parties of mostly ranged attackers.
But, since very few battles don't include melee attackers as the majority, I still regret picking both of those spells up.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 19, 2009, 12:43:53 PM
Honestly I would much prefer a real expansion pack in stead of piece meal dungeon packs like this.
:yes:
I'm in the Deepr Roads atm and last night I learned the origins of the darkspawn... Very creepy athmosphere. :thumbsup:
My entire party wiped except for myself and a few seconds more I would have died as well. However after meeting with Branka we were literally slaughtered by the never ending flood of darkspawns.
G.
yay spoilers, it's your birthday!
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2009, 02:56:41 PM
yay spoilers, it's your birthday!
Yeah, that's why I hardly ever read this thread anymore. I know who's likely to do it though, so I avoid most when I do read it.
I didn't really see any spoilers. He said you learn the origin of darkspawn (but didn't say what it was), and was then slaughtered.
I can live with that level of detail.
Seconded. garbon is overreacting and being bitchy. It's his shtick. :P
I didn't read the post, but then BB reposted it, so oh well. I didn't really want to know right after I learn something I get slaughtered, but it's not as bad as a lot of other spoilers. There are people who often post plot spoilers with no warning at all. HAI GUYS I just had <late game content> happen to me what do you think!?!?
Quote from: Caliga on November 19, 2009, 01:41:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 19, 2009, 01:32:26 PM
There are a few spells that seem like they should be awesome but actually suck...especially that health regenerating aura in the Spirit Healer line that drains all Wynne's mana. I mean health regen is not worth not being able to cast any other spells! Same for Haste.
I didn't plan out my mage's growth as carefully as I should have and as such I have both Tempest AND Inferno, which are just about the same thing. The only real advantage to having both is that they don't share a cooldown and you can cast one on top of the other. A good way to start a battle if you see enemies but have not yet aggroed them is: Inferno + Fireball + Tempest, especially if they are enemies that attack ranged. Due to this combo I easily annihilate enemy parties of mostly ranged attackers.
But, since very few battles don't include melee attackers as the majority, I still regret picking both of those spells up.
The combo you want is Blizzard+Tempest from what I hear. ;)
http://social.bioware.com/forum/Dragon-Age-Origins/Dragon-Age-Origins-Gameplay-Forum-SPOILERS/Valamir039s-Guide-to-Spell-and-Magic-Tricks-234008-1.html
Warning garbon! Spoilers!
Personally, I don't get the spoilers hysteria, especially in a game like this. Yeah, it has a cool plot and is fun to play but 99% of plot twists could have been seen coming from a mile.
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2009, 03:23:15 PM
Personally, I don't get the spoilers hysteria
yeah, that's obvious
Without delving into the spamfest of plot spoilers this thread has turned into (fuck you, mother fuckers, I don't give a shit what you think of the plot; it's simple fucking courtesy not to ruin it for those who do give a damn) I'm curious as to how the Warrior classes are working out.
I normally prefer playing these games with a Warrior main character but it certainly sounds like Mages are the way to go.
Won't get the game for another couple of weeks, looks like, so for now I'm stuck with touching myself indecently.
Quote from: Habbaku on November 19, 2009, 01:25:59 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 19, 2009, 12:39:58 PM
Yep. Cone of cold, ice weapons and winter's grasp ripped them up nicely. I don't have blizzard yet.
I am finding blizzard to be rather worthless, myself.
pretty useful is you combine it with the electric storm.
With the blizzard, they are often frozen in place, plus they take damage. Add the lighting storm, and they take an extra damage. If you want to make it even better, you go with the hex spell right after they are frozen, then you go with lightning.
Quote from: Grallon on November 19, 2009, 02:52:39 PM
I'm in the Deepr Roads atm and last night I learned the origins of the darkspawn... Very creepy athmosphere. :thumbsup:
My entire party wiped except for myself and a few seconds more I would have died as well. However after meeting with Branka we were literally slaughtered by the never ending flood of darkspawns.
Didn't lose anybody with that. Fairly easy to beat. And it has been revealed as early as last March, with pictures of that ;)
Quote from: Slargos on November 19, 2009, 03:35:33 PM
I normally prefer playing these games with a Warrior main character but it certainly sounds like Mages are the way to go.
There can be spoilers ahead, so it's your choice to read below. I'm not gonna put it in white.
[SPOILER]
You can go with a warrior and have a lot of fun. The thing is however, in this game, with your NPCs, you get 3 or 4 other warriors (4th is Shale the Golem, available with the DLC), while you only get 2 mages, Morrigan and Wynne. So you don't have a lot of choices there, seeing that Wynne may leave you if you chose the wrong option at some point. I hear that Morrigan can also abandon you if you play too much of a good guy.However, with the warrior, if you don't want to ruin your game, you have to decide really early on if you'll go with one weapon + shield, 2 weapons or a two handed weapons, because your abilities as you evolve are not the same at all. Also, you might want to developp some skills with ranged weapons. That's the only real drawback to being a non-mage.
[END OF SPOILERS]
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Viper, your spoiler tag didn't work.
:frusty:
Ok, I put in white.
Anyway, here is a nice quizz:
Wich Dragon Age character are you (http://www.gamespot.com/showcases/dragon-age-vb)
It has some nice video on the bottom of the page.
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2009, 03:23:15 PM
Personally, I don't get....
We always assume that anything can be put in that blank when you are involved.
New DLC coming up this Xmas has been announced - Return to Ostagar.
What do you guys think would be a good moment in the game to stop following the main plot, and just suspend it (and do DLC content)? I'm thinking before calling the Diet.
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
New DLC coming up this Xmas has been announced - Return to Ostagar.
What do you guys think would be a good moment in the game to stop following the main plot, and just suspend it (and do DLC content)? I'm thinking before calling the Diet.
I generally take a break and do side quests after every major plot hub. I mean those plot hubs are intense it is nice to just take a break and remember what it was like to have space in my packs again.
Is there any sort of bonus for filling out all the branches of a talent tree?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 19, 2009, 05:17:35 PM
Is there any sort of bonus for filling out all the branches of a talent tree?
You get an achievement...but you will eventually never do that as you discover which skills you actually use or not. There are so many skills/spells to choose from.
Meh, unless achievements give you something I've never understood the point of them.
I've almost filled out the two handed tree with Sten, only 3 more in one line to go. Might go for something else first if there is no benefit to filling it out.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 19, 2009, 05:31:31 PM
Meh, unless achievements give you something I've never understood the point of them.
They did in Mass Effect but do not seem to do anything in Dragon Age.
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2009, 03:23:15 PM
Personally, I don't get the spoilers hysteria, especially in a game like this. Yeah, it has a cool plot and is fun to play but 99% of plot twists could have been seen coming from a mile.
"We must believe in free will. We have no choice."
The cake is a lie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDVkHkXpcqI
Epic fail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw7J7xEOyI8
Mild dialog spoilers.
Apparently the next DLC dungeon pack is only one hour long.
I hope we're not just going to see cheap little dungeon crawls that the xboxtards will lap up, and will eventually get a real 20 hour expansion, perhaps even that takes us away from Fereldin for a bit. Maybe a full priced expansion wouldn't sell on consoles as well as a bunch of $5 monster smashers.
Quote from: Grallon on November 19, 2009, 03:03:14 PM
What spoilers?
G.
*spoilers*
I was hoping that the bitch died after leaving her man.
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2009, 03:05:39 PM
Seconded. garbon is overreacting and being bitchy. It's his shtick. :P
:yawn:
Being ill informed, is that yours?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 20, 2009, 10:53:49 AM
perhaps even that takes us away from Fereldin for a bit.
That would be lovely.
Question:
After rescuing the queen, did you allow yourself to be captured or not?
Overreacting is garbon's shtick? :huh: :lmfao:
I broke down and bought it for the 360. Digging it a lot so far. I just finished the Male Dwarf Noble Warrior starting path. I'm thinking of experimenting with a few other starting paths before progressing further.
So I managed to get an English version of the game and having a blast again, replaying it. This time my character is Rufus, a strawberry-blond gay fire-ball-chucking mage with anger issues and a hatred of religion. :cool:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg264.imageshack.us%2Fimg264%2F9188%2Frufus.jpg&hash=ca20302f8b425eccd30c7100a9c810e36a0c541a)
Btw, Inferno is a pretty cool spell especially at difficulties when you don't have to worry about friendly fire.
Earthquake followed by Fireball followed by Inferno makes a quick work of most attackers.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 21, 2009, 01:29:57 AM
Overreacting is garbon's shtick? :huh: :lmfao:
I never said it isn't mine too. :P
Quote from: viper37 on November 20, 2009, 07:19:40 PM
Question:
After rescuing the queen, did you allow yourself to be captured or not?
Answer:
I played on easy, so I won the battle (just lure Ser Cauthrien into the corridor, the rest of her mooks won't follow). I did replay it and surrendered, you will be able to mount a rescue and/or break out of Fort Drakon.
That fucking bioware social website will not keep me logged in. So I can't post in the web help forum to let them know that it won't let me stay logged in. Fucking tards.
Played another half hour in the fade before turning it off again. God, that shit's annoying.
Quote from: Syt on November 21, 2009, 09:02:41 AM
Played another half hour in the fade before turning it off again. God, that shit's annoying.
one I got the hang of it the fade was over in about an hour to an hour-and-a-half. Found it pretty annoying too at first, but I've since changed my opinion on that.
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2009, 06:32:46 AM
I never said it isn't mine too. :P
How often would you say I overreact? :lol:
I don't think I've ever said "You're a homophobic piece of shit, I hope you die" or "When are you next deploying? I'll pray that you die."
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2009, 10:30:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2009, 06:32:46 AM
I never said it isn't mine too. :P
How often would you say I overreact? :lol:
Well, maybe "overreact" isn't the right word. I did not mean to imply you go into hysterics, but you are often overly bitchy over things that are relatively minor.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 21, 2009, 09:10:46 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 21, 2009, 09:02:41 AM
Played another half hour in the fade before turning it off again. God, that shit's annoying.
one I got the hang of it the fade was over in about an hour to an hour-and-a-half. Found it pretty annoying too at first, but I've since changed my opinion on that.
How is the fade a big deal?
God, I wish Alisteir wasn't such a pussy. Sure, I like him, but if he is going to overreact every time I threaten bodily harm to some stupid fundie crone, I'm going to replace him with Sten or Shale.
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2009, 10:34:57 AM
God, I wish Alisteir wasn't such a pussy. Sure, I like him, but if he is going to overreact every time I threaten bodily harm to some stupid fundie crone, I'm going to replace him with Sten or Shale.
Too bad you don't have the PC version. There is a romance mod for him
I've never really had a problem with him, it's Morrigan and Sten that are always bitching whenever I do something. Alistair usually agrees with my decision.
I've never had a problem with him as I support religion.
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2009, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 21, 2009, 09:10:46 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 21, 2009, 09:02:41 AM
Played another half hour in the fade before turning it off again. God, that shit's annoying.
one I got the hang of it the fade was over in about an hour to an hour-and-a-half. Found it pretty annoying too at first, but I've since changed my opinion on that.
How is the fade a big deal?
I don't understand that either. The fade wasn't that long and it wasn't that difficult, unless there is some other fade part I haven't gotten to yet.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 21, 2009, 10:52:11 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2009, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on November 21, 2009, 09:10:46 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 21, 2009, 09:02:41 AM
Played another half hour in the fade before turning it off again. God, that shit's annoying.
one I got the hang of it the fade was over in about an hour to an hour-and-a-half. Found it pretty annoying too at first, but I've since changed my opinion on that.
How is the fade a big deal?
I don't understand that either. The fade wasn't that long and it wasn't that difficult, unless there is some other fade part I haven't gotten to yet.
Which part are you talking about. If I remember correctly, depending on your origin you can end up in Fade twice or three times (since you go there during the mage's origin so that's something only mages get).
I assume people who complain about Fade mean the part involving the Circle of Magi main quest, not the other two instances, which are considerably shorter.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 21, 2009, 10:49:20 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2009, 10:34:57 AM
God, I wish Alisteir wasn't such a pussy. Sure, I like him, but if he is going to overreact every time I threaten bodily harm to some stupid fundie crone, I'm going to replace him with Sten or Shale.
Too bad you don't have the PC version. There is a romance mod for him
I've never really had a problem with him, it's Morrigan and Sten that are always bitching whenever I do something. Alistair usually agrees with my decision.
I've never had a problem with him on my first playthrough either. However, now I am a mage and one that dislikes the Chantry at that, so I expect it to be more rocky this time. ;)
This is Lady Meonis, btw.
She turned out a bit skinnier than I would have preferred.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsocial.bioware.com%2Fda_game_other%2Fportraits%2F455000%2F454439%2F454439.png&hash=eef28e7289f0b11f2b5ebec44de72688044a9476)
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 21, 2009, 10:49:20 AM
Too bad you don't have the PC version. There is a romance mod for him
I don't think it exists yet. And the gender bender mod isn't quite the same. :P
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2009, 11:09:24 AM
I assume people who complain about Fade mean the part involving the Circle of Magi main quest, not the other two instances, which are considerably shorter.
That's what I would guess but it wasn't that difficult. Only thing I didn't like was that sometimes the game got choppy and I would have saved a character but then if I spoke with them I'd get the dialogue like they were trapped until I walked to a certain spot.
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2009, 11:19:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2009, 11:09:24 AM
I assume people who complain about Fade mean the part involving the Circle of Magi main quest, not the other two instances, which are considerably shorter.
That's what I would guess but it wasn't that difficult. Only thing I didn't like was that sometimes the game got choppy and I would have saved a character but then if I spoke with them I'd get the dialogue like they were trapped until I walked to a certain spot.
Not sure what you are talking about, they are trapped in the Fade until you get to the end of the Fade - ie complete all the fade encounters.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 21, 2009, 12:30:07 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2009, 11:19:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2009, 11:09:24 AM
I assume people who complain about Fade mean the part involving the Circle of Magi main quest, not the other two instances, which are considerably shorter.
That's what I would guess but it wasn't that difficult. Only thing I didn't like was that sometimes the game got choppy and I would have saved a character but then if I spoke with them I'd get the dialogue like they were trapped until I walked to a certain spot.
I think garbon means individual "prisons" of party members - and yeah, while I didn't have any trouble there, some people I talked to reported a bug that made them repeat the conversation with someone whom they already released.
Not sure what you are talking about, they are trapped in the Fade until you get to the end of the Fade - ie complete all the fade encounters.
The Wynne nightmare I found to be bugged to hell and back and apparently the Shale nightmare is a gamebreaker for some reason.
Someone told me its possible to bypass the Circle Fade level entirely with the right dialogue options? Is this true? :unsure:
Quote from: Cecil on November 21, 2009, 02:14:39 PM
The Wynne nightmare I found to be bugged to hell and back and apparently the Shale nightmare is a gamebreaker for some reason.
Are playing a PC or a console version? I didn't have any problems at all with Wynne (haven't done Shale).
Quote from: Jaron on November 21, 2009, 02:17:12 PM
Someone told me its possible to bypass the Circle Fade level entirely with the right dialogue options? Is this true? :unsure:
Why would you do it? It has stat boosts equivalent of like 3 levels.
Been trying all fucking morning to install that POS software that is the Toolset. <_< Actually the problem seem to lie mostly with SQL - of which I know nothing of. The Social Network Site (yet another 'great' product) is full of gnashing of teeth about this too.
Gods below how I loathe it when game tools are released that are nightmarisly cryptic to install/operate. I wonder if the basement nerds derive some sort of orgasmic pleasure in making things complicated!? <_<
G.
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2009, 02:27:14 PM
Quote from: Jaron on November 21, 2009, 02:17:12 PM
Someone told me its possible to bypass the Circle Fade level entirely with the right dialogue options? Is this true? :unsure:
Why would you do it? It has stat boosts equivalent of like 3 levels.
I dislike the Fade. :(
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2009, 02:26:43 PM
Quote from: Cecil on November 21, 2009, 02:14:39 PM
The Wynne nightmare I found to be bugged to hell and back and apparently the Shale nightmare is a gamebreaker for some reason.
Are playing a PC or a console version? I didn't have any problems at all with Wynne (haven't done Shale).
Playing the PC version. I managed to get the Wynne thing rebooted 4 times before the result stuck.
Quote from: Cecil on November 21, 2009, 02:14:39 PM
The Wynne nightmare I found to be bugged to hell and back
Yeah I had that with Wynne and with Morrigan.
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2009, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Cecil on November 21, 2009, 02:14:39 PM
The Wynne nightmare I found to be bugged to hell and back
Yeah I had that with Wynne and with Morrigan.
Now that you mentioned it first time I did Morrigan I got stuck in geography but at least I didnt get the reload bug.
Finally finished the Fade. And am now back in The Fade.
I bet they make a DLC all about the Fade. :P
I nominate "licking the lamppost in winter" the weirdest ever euphemism for having sex. :lol:
Quote from: Syt on November 22, 2009, 12:50:11 AM
I nominate "licking the lamppost in winter" the weirdest ever euphemism for having sex. :lol:
What's so weird in comparing sex to licking phallic stiff objects? :P
Also, my group now consists of Sten, Morrigan and the Dog. They (excepting the dog) are really bad influence. They forced me to kill Wynne. :(
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:51:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 22, 2009, 12:50:11 AM
I nominate "licking the lamppost in winter" the weirdest ever euphemism for having sex. :lol:
What's so weird in comparing sex to licking phallic stiff objects? :P
Well, my reply to Alistair ("Have you ever licked a lamppost in winter") was: "I licked my share, and then some."
Alistair: "That's a rather disturbing image."
I almost fell off my chair. :lol:
Made a human female that looks just like Natalie Portman. These female-female scenes will be more interesting now! :perv: :lol: Odds are I'll end up having to scrap her though, as I made her a rogue instead of a warrior, and I'm not a big fan of rogues. I do love their persuade abilities though. :(
Finally got around to redeem my freebies (Stone Prisoner, Rings etc.), btw. Turns out I had deactivated the game's updater (something I usually do to not have loads of useless junk running in the background). Runs fine now. :P
Hehe having Morrigan, Sten and Zevran in the party is turning me evil.
Let's just say stupid Redcliffe peasant fucks had to fend for themselves and ended up mostly slaughtered. And I now know how to use Blood Magic. :blush:
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:52:14 AM
Also, my group now consists of Sten, Morrigan and the Dog. They (excepting the dog) are really bad influence. They forced me to kill Wynne. :)
Why would you post something like this without spoilers? What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you just not give a shit about other people?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 22, 2009, 09:23:12 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:52:14 AM
Also, my group now consists of Sten, Morrigan and the Dog. They (excepting the dog) are really bad influence. They forced me to kill Wynne. :)
Why would you post something like this without spoilers? What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you just not give a shit about other people?
Dude, it's Martinus.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 22, 2009, 09:23:12 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:52:14 AM
Also, my group now consists of Sten, Morrigan and the Dog. They (excepting the dog) are really bad influence. They forced me to kill Wynne. :)
Why would you post something like this without spoilers? What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you just not give a shit about other people?
Go fuck yourself. How was that a spoiler?
The game has been out for weeks now, anyway. Most people have played it through back and forth. If you are a retard obsessed with obvious "spoilers", then get the fuck out of this thread.
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
The game has been out for weeks now, anyway. Most people have played it through back and forth. If you are a retard obsessed with obvious "spoilers", then get the fuck out of this thread.
Well, I guess I'll "get the fuck out of the thread" then, too.
Not everyone is a suave lawyer with plenty time between capuccinos and sushi dinners to play through a game three times over.
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
Go fuck yourself. How was that a spoiler?
The game has been out for weeks now, anyway. Most people have played it through back and forth. If you are a retard obsessed with obvious "spoilers", then get the fuck out of this thread.
Overreacting much?
Anyway, Marty you are such a fucking cunt. As if several people haven't already stated that they didn't want to read spoilers. And as if a couple weeks is a long time (well I suppose that qualifies as a long relationship for you). Give me a fucking break.
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
The game has been out for weeks now, anyway. Most people have played it through back and forth. If you are a retard obsessed with obvious "spoilers", then get the fuck out of this thread.
I guess Syt, garbon and I aren't "most people". I've still barely scratched the surface of this game.
Quote from: garbon on November 22, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
Go fuck yourself. How was that a spoiler?
The game has been out for weeks now, anyway. Most people have played it through back and forth. If you are a retard obsessed with obvious "spoilers", then get the fuck out of this thread.
Overreacting much?
Anyway, Marty you are such a fucking cunt. As if several people haven't already stated that they didn't want to read spoilers. And as if a couple weeks is a long time (well I suppose that qualifies as a long relationship for you). Give me a fucking break.
I don't see how my response is an overreaction to "What the fuck is wrong with you" only because I posted something that is hardly a spoiler. Anyone who has been to the Circle of Magi (which is early in the game) should have an idea that the conversation with Wynne could go both ways.
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 22, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
Go fuck yourself. How was that a spoiler?
The game has been out for weeks now, anyway. Most people have played it through back and forth. If you are a retard obsessed with obvious "spoilers", then get the fuck out of this thread.
Overreacting much?
Anyway, Marty you are such a fucking cunt. As if several people haven't already stated that they didn't want to read spoilers. And as if a couple weeks is a long time (well I suppose that qualifies as a long relationship for you). Give me a fucking break.
I don't see how my response is an overreaction to "What the fuck is wrong with you" only because I posted something that is hardly a spoiler. Anyone who has been to the Circle of Magi (which is early in the game) should have an idea that the conversation with Wynne could go both ways.
I haven't been to the Circle of Magi.
Marty, shut up. You fucked up and then had a little tizzy fit when you got called out. Perhaps it would be best if you were silent for a little while. :)
Then you don't even know who Wynne is, no?
People have already talked about how she can join your party, what spells she uses, what she tells you etc. in this thread - and none of this was marked as a spoiler. So how was my post a spoiler?
Quote from: garbon on November 22, 2009, 02:44:11 PM
Marty, shut up. You fucked up and then had a little tizzy fit when you got called out. Perhaps it would be best if you were silent for a little while. :)
Perhaps you would shut up instead?
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:44:51 PM
Then you don't even know who Wynne is, no?
People have already talked about how she can join your party, what spells she uses, what she tells you etc. in this thread - and none of this was marked as a spoiler. So how was my post a spoiler?
Killing one of the major characters is quite a bit of a spoiler.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on November 22, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:44:51 PM
Then you don't even know who Wynne is, no?
People have already talked about how she can join your party, what spells she uses, what she tells you etc. in this thread - and none of this was marked as a spoiler. So how was my post a spoiler?
Killing one of the major characters is quite a bit of a spoiler.
The fact is, you can't kill her unless you kill her right when you meet her. So it's only a spoiler for people who have not met her - but then the fact that you CAN meet her at all is a spoiler too - and this was posted in the thread by a lot of people.
It's like saying that killing Zevran is a spoiler.
Marcin-
it is tough but please use spoilers next time. I knew that piece of game already my self but haven't had chance to play it in last week so I can understand where others are coming from in regards to still being in first go around.
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:45:52 PM
Perhaps you would shut up instead?
What's that? I'm drunk in the afternoon.
Add me to the list. Of course, considering I only got the game like 3 days ago I guess I might be able to be forgiven. Maybe. :rolleyes:
Quote from: garbon on November 22, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
Anyway, Marty you are such a fucking cunt.
That's all you need to say. Whether he's ruining threads or harassing people using the PM system, he's all low class, all the time.
The funny part is he blocked me for a week on msn because I accidentally gave him a minor spoiler.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on November 22, 2009, 07:17:07 PM
Add me to the list. Of course, considering I only got the game like 3 days ago I guess I might be able to be forgiven. Maybe. :rolleyes:
If it's anything like WoW you'll take a couple years to play through. :contract:
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 03:15:01 PM
The fact is, you can't kill her unless you kill her right when you meet her.
That's not true.
Quote from: Barrister on November 22, 2009, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 02:18:28 PM
The game has been out for weeks now, anyway. Most people have played it through back and forth. If you are a retard obsessed with obvious "spoilers", then get the fuck out of this thread.
I guess Syt, garbon and I aren't "most people". I've still barely scratched the surface of this game.
:yes:
especially as I am having serious problems in the Fade when I do get around playing it.
IMHO, hardest fight in the game is the Blood Mage mansion.
Okay, I am, as Marti says, "the fuck out of here" until I have finished the game.
Maybe we can start a Marti-free thread on the game?
Won't last.
Quote from: Scipio on November 23, 2009, 08:26:06 AM
IMHO, hardest fight in the game is the Blood Mage mansion.
Well, you need to wait a little 'til you go there, so you have leveled up a bit and get a few more spells. Blizzard works well, with lighting, with the hexes spell.
Actually, there's some places I had to revisit after I completed to level to finish it up, because otherwise, it was too tough.
The thing with the revenant and the liquid vials, wich is something like a 'codex' quest (no official quest appears in your journal), I couldn't do it at first. Went back later on, and it was piss easy.
In the future, for games such as there (i.e. Masse Effect 2 :D ) we will start a new thread with "SPOILERS" in the title, so we can post freely in it, and people that don't want game advice won't read it. 'Cause, for once, I'm kinda with Marty on this one, discussing the game and how we do such&such things without giving away spoilers, especially when some stuff have been discussed early on... well, that's a nightmare for us :D
Oh, and I don't really care about spoilers myself, but I will respect other people's wishes.
SPOILERS----
QuoteI have gathered my allies and gone to Denerim with the Arl of Redcliffe, after doing side quests came the time to confront Loghain during the Landsmeet. I beat him and now my beloved Alistair has been made King. Is there a way to kill the bitch Anora?
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Also my stats tell me I have explored 68% of the world but completed only 32% of the game... That seems low now that I'm in Denerim...
G.
Completion percentage is based on the achievements you have earned.
For you question, I have no idea. I haven't reach that part of the game yet.
Spoilers:
So I just did the Redcliffe bit - or at least the first part, I guess.
I sent Morrigna into the Fade to rescue Connor - is that when I should have gotten a bunch of stat boosts, or is that in some other part of the game where you go into the Fade? Cause I didn't find any there, jsut some wimpy ass demons that I killed while half asleep. That was a bit anti-climatic.
I also chose to let the stupid wife of the Arl kill herself, rather than go mess around with the Mages Tower first - anyone done the Tower first, and seen if it makes much of a difference, plot wise?
Spoilers within.
Different Fade, it's in the Cricle Tower.
I did The Circle Tower first ( I wanted an Healer!). Except dialogue option, it doesn't seem like there's any difference if had let the Alessa die.
[SPOILERS]
I wanted to kill that dumb trophy wife bitch, but I couldn't bring myself to do so even though I was trying to play the game as either evil or at best neutral and selfish. That keeps happening in this game, actually... I had agreed to destroy the Urn for that cult guy but couldn't bring myself to do it once I actually reached the urn.
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Quote from: Berkut on November 23, 2009, 11:21:31 AM
I also chose to let the stupid wife of the Arl kill herself, rather than go mess around with the Mages Tower first - anyone done the Tower first, and seen if it makes much of a difference, plot wise?
I affects mostly your reputation with your companions.
G.
Quote from: Caliga on November 23, 2009, 11:26:36 AM
[SPOILERS]
I wanted to kill that dumb trophy wife bitch, but I couldn't bring myself to do so even though I was trying to play the game as either evil or at best neutral and selfish. That keeps happening in this game, actually... I had agreed to destroy the Urn for that cult guy but couldn't bring myself to do it once I actually reached the urn.
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I did that. I regretted it. Reloaded.
Still got the achievement. :lol:
Quote from: Martinus on November 22, 2009, 03:15:01 PM
The fact is, you can't kill her unless...
Are you ever stupid. People complain about you spoiling there fun by posting something about killing her and then in defending yourself you go on to explain more details about killing her.
Either you are intentionally setting out to spoil other people's fun or you are not intelligent to understand the concept of spoilers.
Quote from: Caliga on November 23, 2009, 11:26:36 AM
[SPOILERS]
I wanted to kill that dumb trophy wife bitch, but I couldn't bring myself to do so even though I was trying to play the game as either evil or at best neutral and selfish. That keeps happening in this game, actually... I had agreed to destroy the Urn for that cult guy but couldn't bring myself to do it once I actually reached the urn.
[/SPOILERS]
On the playthrough as my mage I really got annoyed by the bitch's constant whinging. Plus all of it is her fault really. So I was all too happy to let her bite the dust. Plus I wanted to learn Blood Magic so I went in and bargained with the demon - I let her come back and possess Connor again after 10 years in exchange for forbidden lore.
To be honest, I normally play like you (i.e. can't bring myself to do the bad stuff) but this time I travel with Morrigan, Sten and Zevran and they are pretty good as convincing me otherwise.
:P
Quote from: Berkut on November 23, 2009, 11:21:31 AM
I also chose to let the stupid wife of the Arl kill herself, rather than go mess around with the Mages Tower first - anyone done the Tower first, and seen if it makes much of a difference, plot wise?
SPOILERS:
It affects 2 things as far as I can tell: 1) If you play as a mage and kill her and go into the Fade yourself, you can strike a deal with the demon and learn Blood Magic specialization for your mage (it also unlocks it for all mages in your group), and 2) If you kill her, you get -10 to relationship with Alistair (may be more if he is present - I got -10 while he was in a camp). I suspect Lellana wouldn't like it much if she was with you in the group either.
Quote from: Berkut on November 23, 2009, 11:21:31 AM
I also chose to let the stupid wife of the Arl kill herself, rather than go mess around with the Mages Tower first - anyone done the Tower first, and seen if it makes much of a difference, plot wise?
You get an approval bonus from some of your party members, including Allistair. Later on, it can change some of your choices, I believe, and some of the attitude from other NPCs.
It's obviously not a gamebreaker, but I prefered going to the mage tower before.
Quote from: viper37 on November 23, 2009, 01:31:04 PM
It's obviously not a gamebreaker, but I prefered going to the mage tower before.
And at the very least you get the benefit of all the stat gains earlier in the game.
Quote from: viper37 on November 23, 2009, 01:31:04 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 23, 2009, 11:21:31 AM
I also chose to let the stupid wife of the Arl kill herself, rather than go mess around with the Mages Tower first - anyone done the Tower first, and seen if it makes much of a difference, plot wise?
You get an approval bonus from some of your party members, including Allistair. Later on, it can change some of your choices, I believe, and some of the attitude from other NPCs.
It's obviously not a gamebreaker, but I prefered going to the mage tower before.
SPOILER:
You can go to Redcliffe up to the point you have to decide what to do with the boy, then leave, complete the mage tower and come back to Redcliffe with the mages. You don't need to do the mage tower before Redcliffe to be able to use mages to help the boy.
For the record, Morrigan liked me because I used Blood Magic, I think. :P
Spoiler about the urn:
You'll want to destroy it at least during one playthrough since it unlocks the Reaver specialization for warriors. You can reload afterwards of course. Also, if you agree to destroy the urn but then don't, you get both achievements for taking sides.
You guys should choose the option of letting the other party members handle it when delivering the letters to mercenary widows.
My favourite lines so far:
Morrigan: Your man is dead. Get over it.
Oghren: So you know about this husband of yours? Dead. Sorry.
The Oghren's line reminded me of Titus Pullo for some reason. :D
Quote from: Martinus on November 23, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
You guys should choose the option of letting the other party members handle it when delivering the letters to mercenary widows.
My favourite lines so far:
Morrigan: Your man is dead. Get over it.
Oghren: So you know about this husband of yours? Dead. Sorry.
The Oghren's line reminded me of Titus Pullo for some reason. :D
Oh, hadn't tried with Oghren, only with Morrigan :D
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 23, 2009, 02:43:33 AM
If it's anything like WoW you'll take a couple years to play through. :contract:
:lol: No comment. I've gotten to the first little town after the battle and done some of the quests there! Also, Morrigan and I seem to have a connection. Already made out with her a bit, and I haven't done anything evil. I don't think she's really that bad, she just doesn't understand human society and is terribly lonely. Well, that's the theory I'm going with and it's working well so far.
Holy crapsicles! Leliana is all kinds of jealous of Morrigan after we had a late night in my tent. Damn! I think I like Leliana more too. Argh!
Just finished the Elf recruitment storyline. I sided with the werewolves. I'm kind of pissed I offed the one guy's wife before realizing I could cure her. Also, I can't wait to be high enough level to rock my shiny new Juggernaut armor.
Last night Morrigan made her 'offer' - which I turned down - and now I've come to the last battle. We have passed the main gate and the alienage...
G.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on November 24, 2009, 05:07:22 AM
Holy crapsicles! Leliana is all kinds of jealous of Morrigan after we had a late night in my tent. Damn! I think I like Leliana more too. Argh!
Just finished the Elf recruitment storyline. I sided with the werewolves. I'm kind of pissed I offed the one guy's wife before realizing I could cure her. Also, I can't wait to be high enough level to rock my shiny new Juggernaut armor.
Minor Spoiler:
You can't cure her. If you don't kill her, she'll attack and force you to put her down. If you ignore her completely until the quest line is done, she just won't be there anymore. :(
Wooo! :yeah:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/66/index/279674/1
G.
Quote from: Grallon on November 24, 2009, 09:27:02 AM
Wooo! :yeah:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/66/index/279674/1
G.
Stopp...
Ja?
Damn it.
Steam charged me twice after I accidentally forgot a detail on my card the first time
How could they charge you the first time if you forgot card info?
Quote from: Jaron on November 24, 2009, 08:57:35 AM
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on November 24, 2009, 05:07:22 AM
Holy crapsicles! Leliana is all kinds of jealous of Morrigan after we had a late night in my tent. Damn! I think I like Leliana more too. Argh!
Just finished the Elf recruitment storyline. I sided with the werewolves. I'm kind of pissed I offed the one guy's wife before realizing I could cure her. Also, I can't wait to be high enough level to rock my shiny new Juggernaut armor.
Minor Spoiler:
You can't cure her. If you don't kill her, she'll attack and force you to put her down. If you ignore her completely until the quest line is done, she just won't be there anymore. :(
Ah, I feel better now. Thanks J. :)
The ogre is surprisingly tough.
I completed the game... Since I had confined Anora into a dungeon there was no wedding for Alistair; and since I turned down Morrigan's offer one of us had to sacrifice himself. allistir wanted to do it but I simply could not allow him to die. So I killed the Archdemon and died.
Where the fuck was that 3rd warden who was supposed to make the killing blow and die from the taint!? <_<
It's over *sigh*
G.
Quote from: Grallon on November 24, 2009, 10:20:40 PM
I completed the game... Since I had confined Anora into a dungeon there was no wedding for Alistair; and since I turned down Morrigan's offer one of us had to sacrifice himself. allistir wanted to do it but I simply could not allow him to die. So I killed the Archdemon and died.
Where the fuck was that 3rd warden who was supposed to make the killing blow and die from the taint!? <_<
It's over *sigh*
G.
SPOILER:
Errr, he dies while bringing the arch demon down to the ground. Don't you watch the cutscenes?
Quote from: Martinus on November 25, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
Quote from: Grallon on November 24, 2009, 10:20:40 PM
I completed the game... Since I had confined Anora into a dungeon there was no wedding for Alistair; and since I turned down Morrigan's offer one of us had to sacrifice himself. allistir wanted to do it but I simply could not allow him to die. So I killed the Archdemon and died.
Where the fuck was that 3rd warden who was supposed to make the killing blow and die from the taint!? <_<
It's over *sigh*
G.
SPOILER:
Errr, he dies while bringing the arch demon down to the ground. Don't you watch the cutscenes?
OMG YOU RUINS IT FOR ME!
Quote from: Queequeg on November 24, 2009, 07:50:11 PM
The ogre is surprisingly tough.
He can easily be kited, WoW-style. That's true of most single-enemy boss battles. Have your tank draw aggro and then just run around in circles. Lame and unrealistic, but it works.
Quote from: Caliga on November 25, 2009, 06:29:34 AM
He can easily be kited, WoW-style. That's true of most single-enemy boss battles. Have your tank draw aggro and then just run around in circles. Lame and unrealistic, but it works.
Might be realistic...Ogres are sorta dense...
Actually in the old infinity Engine games every enemy would head straight for the mage so running the mage in circles was almost a required tactic :P
That often happens to my main (mage) and Morrigan due to the massive aggro they typically draw.
Quote from: Caliga on November 25, 2009, 10:04:45 AM
That often happens to my main (mage) and Morrigan due to the massive aggro they typically draw.
By the way a game breaking tactic is to draw agro then force field yourself. The monsters will happily hack away at you fruitlessly while your companions slaughter them. It is the ultimate cheese though.
Got to the last series of fights.
[SPOILER]
I'm wasting general #1 tonight, maybe #2 if I have time.If I don't use any of my allies for either of these battle, can I still use them for the final one?
[/SPOILER]
Quote from: viper37 on November 25, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
Got to the last series of fights.
[SPOILER]
I'm wasting general #1 tonight, maybe #2 if I have time.If I don't use any of my allies for either of these battle, can I still use them for the final one?
[/SPOILER]
Yes. You can also reuse them if they are not killed.
Essentially, you can deploy one type of troop on the battlefield at a time. If you complete the area with some of the troops still alive, they go back to the "pool" and you can deploy them again in another area (including the final battle). You can also deploy new type of troops once the ones currently deployed are all dead. What you cannot do, however, is to "withdraw" the troops on the battlefield to deploy a different kind - you need to wait for them to be dead first.
Just as a warning though your allies are useless for the last fight, especially the dwarves. Use them in the battles beforehand.
Quote from: Jaron on November 25, 2009, 04:31:08 PM
Just as a warning though your allies are useless for the last fight, especially the dwarves. Use them in the battles beforehand.
Disagree. Golems were very useful for me.
Not all of us have golems, you evil bastard.
Okay, mostly avoiding this thread, but now I have to ask:
how do I defeat the zombies in Redcliffe?
I may have made a mistake by making this one of the first places I went after leaving the village, so I'm still fairly low level (7) and I don't have any kind of AOE skills. So while I can easily defeat the first group, once I go down to the town itself I wind up being overwhelmed.
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2009, 06:00:28 PM
how do I defeat the zombies in Redcliffe?
I may have made a mistake by making this one of the first places I went after leaving the village, so I'm still fairly low level (7) and I don't have any kind of AOE skills. So while I can easily defeat the first group, once I go down to the town itself I wind up being overwhelmed.
Yeah I just focussed my attacks and had Wynne stand in the back and heal. Since you do not have Wynne does Morrigan have any healing spells? Make sure you are stocked up on healing poultice things and focus all damage on one at a time to take them down fast.
You cannot really use AoE in that fight anyway unless you want to blow up all the militia men to so don't worry about that.
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2009, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2009, 06:00:28 PM
how do I defeat the zombies in Redcliffe?
I may have made a mistake by making this one of the first places I went after leaving the village, so I'm still fairly low level (7) and I don't have any kind of AOE skills. So while I can easily defeat the first group, once I go down to the town itself I wind up being overwhelmed.
Yeah I just focussed my attacks and had Wynne stand in the back and heal. Since you do not have Wynne does Morrigan have any healing spells? Make sure you are stocked up on healing poultice things and focus all damage on one at a time to take them down fast.
You cannot really use AoE in that fight anyway unless you want to blow up all the militia men to so don't worry about that.
So there's no trick to it then? :(
My main has a bunch of healing spells. Focused damage worked for awhile but eventually the militiamen all die, the zombies overrun my small group, and it becomes almost impossible.
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of the combat system. I can leave the NPCs along to generally attack in an intelligent manner, but I constantly have to pause and control them to attack the right targets.
Redcliffe is just annoying. That's all there is to it.
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2009, 06:10:29 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2009, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2009, 06:00:28 PM
how do I defeat the zombies in Redcliffe?
I may have made a mistake by making this one of the first places I went after leaving the village, so I'm still fairly low level (7) and I don't have any kind of AOE skills. So while I can easily defeat the first group, once I go down to the town itself I wind up being overwhelmed.
Yeah I just focussed my attacks and had Wynne stand in the back and heal. Since you do not have Wynne does Morrigan have any healing spells? Make sure you are stocked up on healing poultice things and focus all damage on one at a time to take them down fast.
You cannot really use AoE in that fight anyway unless you want to blow up all the militia men to so don't worry about that.
So there's no trick to it then? :(
My main has a bunch of healing spells. Focused damage worked for awhile but eventually the militiamen all die, the zombies overrun my small group, and it becomes almost impossible.
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of the combat system. I can leave the NPCs along to generally attack in an intelligent manner, but I constantly have to pause and control them to attack the right targets.
Have you done all the mini quests to prepare Redcliffe's defenses?
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2009, 06:10:29 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 25, 2009, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2009, 06:00:28 PM
how do I defeat the zombies in Redcliffe?
I may have made a mistake by making this one of the first places I went after leaving the village, so I'm still fairly low level (7) and I don't have any kind of AOE skills. So while I can easily defeat the first group, once I go down to the town itself I wind up being overwhelmed.
Yeah I just focussed my attacks and had Wynne stand in the back and heal. Since you do not have Wynne does Morrigan have any healing spells? Make sure you are stocked up on healing poultice things and focus all damage on one at a time to take them down fast.
You cannot really use AoE in that fight anyway unless you want to blow up all the militia men to so don't worry about that.
So there's no trick to it then? :(
My main has a bunch of healing spells. Focused damage worked for awhile but eventually the militiamen all die, the zombies overrun my small group, and it becomes almost impossible.
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of the combat system. I can leave the NPCs along to generally attack in an intelligent manner, but I constantly have to pause and control them to attack the right targets.
Crowd control like cold spells and paralyze work well.
Quote from: Martinus on November 25, 2009, 06:36:44 PM
Have you done all the mini quests to prepare Redcliffe's defenses?
Think so. I got the elf to help, I found the flaming oil. Decided not to lie to the guards about the trinkets.
Settles it, beeb sucks.
Quote from: garbon on November 25, 2009, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2009, 06:47:50 PM
:huh:
Yeah, that was settled long ago. :P
No, I'm pretty sure it's Katmai who sucks by calling me "been". :contract:
been laden
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2009, 06:59:40 PM
No, I'm pretty sure it's Katmai who sucks by calling me "been". :contract:
a typo that was quickly corrected :rolleyes:
I are in: The Fade. Hmmm... So.... enemies can run through fire, but you cannot. Whoops. Oh well, it'll give me crap to think on while at work. If only I could keep playing. Argh.
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2009, 06:00:28 PM
how do I defeat the zombies in Redcliffe?
I may have made a mistake by making this one of the first places I went after leaving the village, so I'm still fairly low level (7) and I don't have any kind of AOE skills. So while I can easily defeat the first group, once I go down to the town itself I wind up being overwhelmed.
If you can't defeat them the conventional way, lure them back to the knights uphill.
The way I dit it was to fight alongside the militia, with Morrigan freezing people and using some lightning.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on November 25, 2009, 07:56:51 PM
I are in: The Fade. Hmmm... So.... enemies can run through fire, but you cannot. Whoops. Oh well, it'll give me crap to think on while at work. If only I could keep playing. Argh.
Find the form that will let you walk through fire.
Yeah, the fade is quite simple. :mellow:
I am not a Fade-hater. It's kinda cool.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 25, 2009, 09:41:42 PM
I am not a Fade-hater. It's kinda cool.
At first, I found it boring. But then, I grew to enjoy it :)
Meet Sauren, mage of the 5th lvl and future Arcane Warrior! Btw, how does one unlock that ability?
G.
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You have to help a spirit in a phalayctry in the werewolf dungeon in the Brasilian forest.
[spoiler]
You learn how to toward the end of doing the Dalish questline, in exchange for helping out an elven lich trapped in a phylactery.
[/spoiler]
My main is both an arcane warrior and a spirit healer. :cool:
Damn, I am considering restarting the game as my mage and being less evil this time. My previous choices weigh down on my conscience. :blush:
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2009, 02:04:34 AM
Damn, I am considering restarting the game as my mage and being less evil this time. My previous choices weigh down on my conscience. :blush:
:yeahright:
Martinus = Fahdiz
I had to kill the difficulty down for the first time last nite. Giant spiders of hell.
So I restarted as a "good" mage. :blush:
On this playthrough I am planning to pick party members based on the biggest story potential (i.e. which companion is going to take the biggest "personal interest" in any part of the story, either for good or for bad).
So far I could think of the following:
- Wynne and Morrigan for Circle of Magi
- Wynne and Zevran for Dalish Elves
- Shale and Oghren for Orzammar
- Alistair for Redcliffe
- Alistair and Zevran for Denerim
- Lellana for Urn of Andraste
Any other suggestions?
Leliana has interest in Denerim too, right?
Does Alistair have much with the Mage's Tower as a Templar? He wasn't in my party at the time so I don't know. I do know that Leliana got some influence change with my decisions with the demon influenced Templar. I've only been through the Dalish area, the Mage's Tower, and Soldier's Peak.
Quote from: Martinus on November 27, 2009, 06:28:30 AM
- Wynne and Morrigan for Circle of Magi
Best not to have Morrigan with you when you enter there, IMO.
Quote from: Martinus on November 27, 2009, 06:28:30 AM
So I restarted as a "good" mage. :blush:
On this playthrough I am planning to pick party members based on the biggest story potential (i.e. which companion is going to take the biggest "personal interest" in any part of the story, either for good or for bad).
So far I could think of the following:
- Wynne and Morrigan for Circle of Magi
- Wynne and Zevran for Dalish Elves
- Shale and Oghren for Orzammar
- Alistair for Redcliffe
- Alistair and Zevran for Denerim
- Lellana for Urn of Andraste
Any other suggestions?
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
Alistair, Leliana and Wynne are suitable for the entire Redcliffe and Urn of Andraste questline if you play a do-gooder, otherwise not so much.
Shale "likes" mages, might be interesting in the Circle of Magi.
Leliana has her personal quest in Denerim, and as a cut purse/pick pocket has a big opportunity to increase your supplies.
Wynne is the most appropriate choice for the Andraste quest.
Wynne has her personal quest in the elven woods. Might keep that in mind.
Ok, so to update, I went with (SPOILERS)
Circle of Magi: Morrigan (personal quest/item), Wynne, Alistair
Denerim, pre-Landsmeet: Alistair (personal quest), Lellana (personal quest), Zevran (personal quest/assassins)
Redcliffe: Lellana, Alistair (personal quest), Wynne
Planning to do Andraste with Alistair, Wynne and Lellana (i.e. my do-gooder commando)
Anyone done the summoning side quest in the mages tower after you run through?
If you pickpocket the dude that appears on the fourth summoning (named Arl Foreshadow ;))you get a hint of DAO2 or an expansion or whatnot.
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2009, 04:01:13 AM
Ok, so to update, I went with (SPOILERS)
Circle of Magi: Morrigan (personal quest/item), Wynne, Alistair
Denerim, pre-Landsmeet: Alistair (personal quest), Lellana (personal quest), Zevran (personal quest/assassins)
Redcliffe: Lellana, Alistair (personal quest), Wynne
Planning to do Andraste with Alistair, Wynne and Lellana (i.e. my do-gooder commando)
Spoilers:
You can give the personal item to Morrigan after the Tower, even if she isn't there when you find it. Also, for Denerim assassins, Zevran pops out to join you even if you don't bring him along, as long as he's in your camp (his approval of you determines what he'll do).
The city elf origin quest is: satisfying. :menace:
Quote from: Caliga on November 28, 2009, 05:10:25 PM
The city elf origin quest is: satisfying. :menace:
Yeah, I liked it a lot. Just wait till you get back to the Alienage in the late part of the game - you will be: satisfied more. :D
Quote from: Solmyr on November 28, 2009, 06:48:21 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2009, 04:01:13 AM
Ok, so to update, I went with (SPOILERS)
Circle of Magi: Morrigan (personal quest/item), Wynne, Alistair
Denerim, pre-Landsmeet: Alistair (personal quest), Lellana (personal quest), Zevran (personal quest/assassins)
Redcliffe: Lellana, Alistair (personal quest), Wynne
Planning to do Andraste with Alistair, Wynne and Lellana (i.e. my do-gooder commando)
Spoilers:
You can give the personal item to Morrigan after the Tower, even if she isn't there when you find it. Also, for Denerim assassins, Zevran pops out to join you even if you don't bring him along, as long as he's in your camp (his approval of you determines what he'll do).
I meant the banter with the assassins that want to hire you. And the part about the tower is irrelevant - same goes for most "plot items" but nonetheless it is more fun to have them along since they offer comments and dialogue (for example if you have Morrigan with you in the tower, she talks to you about the grimoire just as you enter it).
You seem to have missed the point of my party planning.
Quote from: Cecil on November 28, 2009, 06:47:10 AM
Anyone done the summoning side quest in the mages tower after you run through?
If you pickpocket the dude that appears on the fourth summoning (named Arl Foreshadow ;))you get a hint of DAO2 or an expansion or whatnot.
Yeah, pity I didn't have anyone who could pickpocket him so the guy just disappeared.
Quote from: Martinus on November 29, 2009, 05:57:01 AM
Quote from: Cecil on November 28, 2009, 06:47:10 AM
Anyone done the summoning side quest in the mages tower after you run through?
If you pickpocket the dude that appears on the fourth summoning (named Arl Foreshadow ;))you get a hint of DAO2 or an expansion or whatnot.
Yeah, pity I didn't have anyone who could pickpocket him so the guy just disappeared.
He has a list of books on him that he needs to pick up. Basically a this is what the sequel will be all about. :)
Quote from: Martinus on November 29, 2009, 05:56:09 AM
I meant the banter with the assassins that want to hire you. And the part about the tower is irrelevant - same goes for most "plot items" but nonetheless it is more fun to have them along since they offer comments and dialogue (for example if you have Morrigan with you in the tower, she talks to you about the grimoire just as you enter it).
You seem to have missed the point of my party planning.
Yeah but she also has a fight with Wynne when you first meet her, and if you say the wrong dialogue you have to kill Wynne right there.
Q:
Do you have to fuck around with the relationship part of the game? The game sounds interesting, but I don't want to fuck around with cartoon sex.
I want to kill shit.
You can avoid that part. 'Tis optional, good Ed.
If you DO want it though, you need to give gifts, avoid saying or doing the wrong actions, etc etc..
But its not required to get the full experience.
Ah, excellent. I may get the game then.
Gracias, J-dawg.
You can thank me with a hot meal or two and a spare room when I go to Ohio next year.
Beware what mod you use - I think some are incompatible with others. I installed the respec mod, the party chest mod, the Textures mod (wonderful it had so much vibrancy to the eyes and hair), the 'Ducan Armor' mod the 'Black Templar Armor' mod and finally the 'Winter Forge' (create - edit your own item) mod. However after installing this last one I could no longer go to Warden's Keep or see the previous mods.
I'm told others have used this mod without problems... Use at your own risk. Though it could have been a bad mix with the previous ones.
G.
I'm still extremely early in the game, but in playing around with the romance options...
Playing a female toon (I can't escape my stereotype - it's a female elf mage :Embarrass:), and I have Alistair "interested". I've also been working on raising Leilani's opinion of me.
How does it work if I romance one, then try to romance the other? I suppose there's no hott three-way action (:rolleyes: at even the suggestion of it), but will one leave the party if I make moves on the other?
Like Ed I mostly want to kill things, but a brief diversion of "cartoon sex" would briefly amuse my inner 13 year old - as long as it doesn't interfere with my killing things.
I know Leilana got pissed when I hooked up with Morrigan, and Morrigan was pissed I still talked to Leilana while hooking up with her. I'm not sure they'll leave the party, but there's definitely all kinds of jealousy going on.
Yeah, they make you choose one or the other at some point. Lellana went all kind of "I knew something was missing in our relationship" when I started to fuck Zevran, but later apologises and wished us all the best and essentially said she will be my fag hag (we talked about shoes a lot :unsure:). However, you can have a threesome with a non-companion female NPC and Zevran at some point. :P
I tried to have sex with my dog, Marcin. No go. :(
Orzammar is by far the coolest place in that world.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 30, 2009, 07:22:56 AM
Orzammar is by far the coolest place in that world.
Don't you mean the Deep Roads?
The problem of these games is also their strenght - it's a tightly scripted story so you can't go around like you would in WoW or LotRO. On the other hand it engages you and delivers in terms of emotional affects.
G.
Yeah, I should include it. Dwarven story.
I can't wait to get to Orlais myself. In the sequel hopefully.
G.
There is a hope, yes. And seeing how they already have the engine ready, I'm hopeful we will get the sequel some time in 2010.
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2009, 09:12:57 AM
There is a hope, yes. And seeing how they already have the engine ready, I'm hopeful we will get the sequel some time in 2010.
Have you seen the full map of Thedas? It's huge - Ferelden is but a small portion of the continent. But with the end of the Blight I'm not sure what would be the 'meta' quest... A resurgence of the Magisters in Tevinter perhaps?
G.
An Exalted March maybe?
Sten seemed to be poking around for the Qunari, maybe they plan to launch an invasion. :P
Quote from: Grallon on November 30, 2009, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2009, 09:12:57 AM
There is a hope, yes. And seeing how they already have the engine ready, I'm hopeful we will get the sequel some time in 2010.
Have you seen the full map of Thedas? It's huge - Ferelden is but a small portion of the continent. But with the end of the Blight I'm not sure what would be the 'meta' quest... A resurgence of the Magisters in Tevinter perhaps?
G.
The "Arl Foreshadow" stuff suggests it will be about Morrigan's demon twins.
Where was it suggested it will be twins? :huh:
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2009, 09:54:42 AM
The "Arl Foreshadow" stuff suggests it will be about Morrigan's demon twins.
Wow you got that from Terrible Twos? Interesting.
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2009, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2009, 09:54:42 AM
The "Arl Foreshadow" stuff suggests it will be about Morrigan's demon twins.
Wow you got that from Terrible Twos? Interesting.
And "Raising Spirits: Offspring and the Fade".
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2009, 10:07:27 AM
And "Raising Spirits: Offspring and the Fade".
Yes...that is the comment Arl Foreshadow has in reaction to that book.
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2009, 10:07:27 AM
And "Raising Spirits: Offspring and the Fade".
Yes...that is the comment Arl Foreshadow has in reaction to that book.
Well, it's a speculation of course, but offspring and the Fade suggest magical (mage's) children. The "canon" ending of DA:O is Morrigan getting pregnant with the Grey Warden to absorb the Archdemon/Old God essence (not to mention the whole set-up screams "sequel!"). So "terrible twos" in relation to this suggests there will be two such children - hence twins.
Maybe we will play one twin against the other (think Baldur's Gate II).
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2009, 10:18:15 AM
Well, it's a speculation of course, but offspring and the Fade suggest magical (mage's) children. The "canon" ending of DA:O is Morrigan getting pregnant with the Grey Warden to absorb the Archdemon/Old God essence (not to mention the whole set-up screams "sequel!"). So "terrible twos" in relation to this suggests there will be two such children - hence twins.
Maybe we will play one twin against the other (think Baldur's Gate II).
Well I hope there is no "canon" ending and Bioware has new "origins" for the sequel that takes care of the possibe endings to DA1. They seem to be doing that with ME2 but we will see. They certainly had a canon version of what happened in BG1 in BG2.
And what if you chose to deny her both Alistair and yourself (if you're a male)? This is what I did in my first playthrough. There were no other wardens. Besides this would work only with the only doing the killing blow (me in that case).
G.
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2009, 10:22:56 AM
Well I hope there is no "canon" ending and Bioware has new "origins" for the sequel that takes care of the possibe endings to DA1. They seem to be doing that with ME2 but we will see. They certainly had a canon version of what happened in BG1 in BG2.
Aren't there a prohibitively large number of different endings for them to be able to do that though?
Quote from: Grallon on November 30, 2009, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2009, 09:12:57 AM
There is a hope, yes. And seeing how they already have the engine ready, I'm hopeful we will get the sequel some time in 2010.
Have you seen the full map of Thedas? It's huge - Ferelden is but a small portion of the continent. But with the end of the Blight I'm not sure what would be the 'meta' quest... A resurgence of the Magisters in Tevinter perhaps?
G.
I didn't know the full map was even available to see. :unsure:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 30, 2009, 12:15:07 PM
Aren't there a prohibitively large number of different endings for them to be able to do that though?
Depends on the extent the events of the first game impact a sequel. I mean obviously if the game takes place in Orzammar that would make a bigger difference than if it takes place in Orlais or Nevarra or something.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 30, 2009, 12:16:31 PM
I didn't know the full map was even available to see. :unsure:
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Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2009, 10:22:56 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2009, 10:18:15 AM
Well, it's a speculation of course, but offspring and the Fade suggest magical (mage's) children. The "canon" ending of DA:O is Morrigan getting pregnant with the Grey Warden to absorb the Archdemon/Old God essence (not to mention the whole set-up screams "sequel!"). So "terrible twos" in relation to this suggests there will be two such children - hence twins.
Maybe we will play one twin against the other (think Baldur's Gate II).
Well I hope there is no "canon" ending and Bioware has new "origins" for the sequel that takes care of the possibe endings to DA1. They seem to be doing that with ME2 but we will see. They certainly had a canon version of what happened in BG1 in BG2.
Well, it depends if they would make you play the same character or a new one. If it's the former, then it would be impossible to simulate all possible endings of DA:O.
Quote from: Martinus on November 30, 2009, 12:35:01 PM
If it's the former, then it would be impossible to simulate all possible endings of DA:O.
I have a hard time believing that would design a game intentionally as part of a series where nothing you do matters in terms of the series.
But obviously you cannot be the same person in DA2 and account for all endings.
Quote from: Grallon on November 30, 2009, 08:50:01 AM
I can't wait to get to Orlais myself. In the sequel hopefully.
G.
:lol:
The Tevinter Emperor's last name ends in -ian and his queen's name is Vasilisa (Greek for Empress). If they set it there, my pants shall truly dairy factory.
Quote from: Queequeg on November 30, 2009, 06:27:49 PM
:lol:
The Tevinter Emperor's last name ends in -ian and his queen's name is Vasilisa (Greek for Empress). If they set it there, my pants shall truly dairy factory.
According to the lead writer the Empire's real world counterpart is the Byzantine Empire....but with Wizards...blood wizards...
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Tevinter_Imperium
heck there is even a great schism with the Chantry.
I'm glad I haven't bought it yet then. Bleh.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 30, 2009, 06:52:17 PM
I'm glad I haven't bought it yet then. Bleh.
Very very loosely based...and the Tevinter Imperium is not in the game. Unless you think the Byzantine Empire was an Empire of Wizardkings.
Tevinters association with Byzantium shows a real lack of understanding by the writers on what Byzantium was. I wouldn't worry about it, Ed. I can see the angle they were going for with just about everywhere else: Orlais, Antiva, even Fereldan.
I am not sure where Psellus read about an "emperor" for Tevinter, or his name or queens name. I haven't seen that anywhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if he misread.
SPOILERS!!!11111 TONS AND TONS OF SPOILERS!!!!!@
Finally got around to beating it. Got the "Easily Distracted" achievement. :P
I made Alistair king and freed the mages from their fundamentalist oppressors. Stupid Templars caused the mage rebellion with their retarded nazi regime anyhow. The more you tighten your grip Tarkin... I told Morri to take a hike with her archdemon baby idea and got Loghain to do the dragon for me so I can live.
Some things I learned...
Leliana is the most damaging and probably the most effective NPC. With a bow, not daggers. Yeah you read that right. She had about 20% of my party's damage at the end. That little girl is a killing machine. Lel + Marjolane's bow + stealth + arrow of slaying = cheating. From a mile away.
Didn't use Zev much, but the concept is good, and I got him to travel with me at the end. He puts me off a bit though. I don't like the models they use for him. The face has a stupid smile and that combined with his gestures gives me the impression that if I were standing next to him he'd smell like poop. I think he's supposed to be a bit greasy but it's overdone. Maybe I'll do another run using him more after somebody makes a mod that reskins him.
I re-specced Oghren as a dual-wield fighter because I already had Sten as a two hander and because I wanted to get more runes into the fight. Paralyze runes, specifically. The dwarf is awesome regardless. Dunno if he'd be better as a two-hander like Sten--they seemed pretty comparable. I did give him a bit more dex and just enough str to wear the armor I wanted him to have. He was a lot more likely to hit his target than Sten, who I didn't feed the bird potion.
Shale was commonly in the party, but I can't decide which of its modes I like best. I tended to default to the one with slam and earthquake so it could stun groups of enemies, but sometime partway through that attack began doing friendly fire where it hadn't before. Maybe an update did that. I dunno. The green nature crystal armor for the golem also gives a big bonus to physical defense---hint.
Next time I will bring along a re-spec potion for Loghain before I hit the landsmeet. He gets a big two-handed sword to use but his skills are all for shield fighter. Durrr. I found him the least survivable member of the party by far.
Oh, and the archdemon couldn't hurt me. I tanked him with my mage. Didn't bother with the ballistas. Whatever kind of damage the dragon breath is, I must have had high immunity to it. Probably from the spirit armor or whatever it is in the arcane warrior line. The tail whips did hurt though. And the grabbing you in his mouth attack which sucks ass. But he didn't do hardly any of that stuff. Just kept breathing on me. Oh well. I put Lel far away to keep the damage going while Loghain and Shale kept the zerglings away. Well, Shale did anyway.
Oh, and WTF is up with Sandal standing outside the Dragon's door surrounded by dead darkspawn and soldiers wanting to enchant for you? I busted up laughing there. Enchantment! :lol:
SPOILERS! I WARNED YOU!
Quote from: Jaron on December 01, 2009, 02:18:08 AM
Tevinters association with Byzantium shows a real lack of understanding by the writers on what Byzantium was. I wouldn't worry about it, Ed. I can see the angle they were going for with just about everywhere else: Orlais, Antiva, even Fereldan.
I am not sure where Psellus read about an "emperor" for Tevinter, or his name or queens name. I haven't seen that anywhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if he misread.
Wasn't Vasilla the wife of the Archon who had Andraste put to death?
Maybe. I assumed he was talking present day, of course.
Tevinter is no Byzantium, of this I can assure you.
It is ONLY in some naming patterns, it was the once dominant empire, the schism (perhaps), and of course - the war with the Qunari (the Thedas version of Muslims)
I love the visual look of Ostagar. So LotR movie Osgiliath-esque. :wub:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 01, 2009, 02:25:15 AM
SPOILERS!!!11111 TONS AND TONS OF SPOILERS!!!!!@
Finally got around to beating it. Got the "Easily Distracted" achievement. :P
I made Alistair king and freed the mages from their fundamentalist oppressors. Stupid Templars caused the mage rebellion with their retarded nazi regime anyhow. The more you tighten your grip Tarkin... I told Morri to take a hike with her archdemon baby idea and got Loghain to do the dragon for me so I can live.
Some things I learned...
SPOILERS! I WARNED YOU!
How did you turn Loghain into a grey warden without Alistair walking out on you? I tried that once, Alistair wanted to leave and Anora wanted me to kill Alistair. A clusterfuck par excellence.
Alistair needs to be "hardened" if you don't want him to become a drunk loser once you let Loghain live. This happens by doing his sister side quest and then choosing a dialogue option which basically says it's everyone for himself or something.
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 07:39:30 AM
Alistair needs to be "hardened" if you don't want him to become a drunk loser once you let Loghain live. This happens by doing his sister side quest and then choosing a dialogue option which basically says it's everyone for himself or something.
I see. I picked the nice guy option in his personal quest, still managed to make him king and even get him to marry Anora. Poor Alister. :P
Quote from: Winkelried on December 01, 2009, 07:53:56 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 07:39:30 AM
Alistair needs to be "hardened" if you don't want him to become a drunk loser once you let Loghain live. This happens by doing his sister side quest and then choosing a dialogue option which basically says it's everyone for himself or something.
I see. I picked the nice guy option in his personal quest, still managed to make him king and even get him to marry Anora. Poor Alister. :P
But you killed Loghain, right?
There is no canon ending to DA:O.
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 02:33:13 AM
Wasn't Vasilla the wife of the Archon who had Andraste put to death?
Marty is right, and Jaron is a fucking retard. In the Temple, before the Dragon.
Quote from: Jaron on December 01, 2009, 02:18:08 AM
Tevinters association with Byzantium shows a real lack of understanding by the writers on what Byzantium was. I wouldn't worry about it, Ed. I can see the angle they were going for with just about everywhere else: Orlais, Antiva, even Fereldan.
I am not sure where Psellus read about an "emperor" for Tevinter, or his name or queens name. I haven't seen that anywhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if he misread.
Yeah I should have known somebody would read that out of context and not understand what I was getting at.
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 07:39:30 AM
Alistair needs to be "hardened" if you don't want him to become a drunk loser once you let Loghain live. This happens by doing his sister side quest and then choosing a dialogue option which basically says it's everyone for himself or something.
Yep. That's what I did. I didn't give his grubby sister any money either. <_<
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 01, 2009, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 07:39:30 AM
Alistair needs to be "hardened" if you don't want him to become a drunk loser once you let Loghain live. This happens by doing his sister side quest and then choosing a dialogue option which basically says it's everyone for himself or something.
Yep. That's what I did. I didn't give his grubby sister any money either. <_<
Is it possible to give her the money? I never got that option. :huh:
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 12:10:03 PM
Is it possible to give her the money? I never got that option. :huh:
Yeah you can give her 10 gold. Money is so very very precious in this game I never give out money if I can avoid it.
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: Winkelried on December 01, 2009, 07:53:56 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 07:39:30 AM
Alistair needs to be "hardened" if you don't want him to become a drunk loser once you let Loghain live. This happens by doing his sister side quest and then choosing a dialogue option which basically says it's everyone for himself or something.
I see. I picked the nice guy option in his personal quest, still managed to make him king and even get him to marry Anora. Poor Alister. :P
But you killed Loghain, right?
Yes, I had to.
Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2009, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 12:10:03 PM
Is it possible to give her the money? I never got that option. :huh:
Yeah you can give her 10 gold. Money is so very very precious in this game I never give out money if I can avoid it.
Uh? Unless stuff start costing a lot more post-landsmeet. I've had no use for much of the money I've collected.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 01, 2009, 12:38:58 PM
Uh? Unless stuff start costing a lot more post-landsmeet. I've had no use for much of the money I've collected.
Seriously? I need to buy agents just to make better potions and then there are rare items to buy (that I could never come that close to affording...over 100 gold?) and gifts and all those skill and talent books can get a bit pricey.
I just got back from the Deep Roads. When I went in I had hardly any money. When I got back, after selling all the useless crap, I had 150 gold.
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 12:50:38 PM
I just got back from the Deep Roads. When I went in I had hardly any money. When I got back, after selling all the useless crap, I had 150 gold.
I sell off my stuff all the time and rarely get that much cash. Interesting.
Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2009, 12:53:35 PM
I sell off my stuff all the time and rarely get that much cash. Interesting.
Someone on the Dragon Age board (that awful social network thing) boasted he had around 950g after the landsmeet... Myself the last save of my first playthrough states that the highest gold ammount I had was around 550.
G.
Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2009, 12:45:42 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 01, 2009, 12:38:58 PM
Uh? Unless stuff start costing a lot more post-landsmeet. I've had no use for much of the money I've collected.
Seriously? I need to buy agents just to make better potions and then there are rare items to buy (that I could never come that close to affording...over 100 gold?) and gifts and all those skill and talent books can get a bit pricey.
I haven't bought any of those books maybe that's why. I guess don't use the potions as much as you. Having Wynne heal helps I guess.
My party is my Hero Tank, Wynne heals, Morrigan mages it up (respecced her) and I switch between zevran & leliana.
Quote from: Grallon on December 01, 2009, 12:55:47 PM
Someone on the Dragon Age board (that awful social network thing) boasted he had around 950g after the landsmeet... Myself the last save of my first playthrough states that the highest gold ammount I had was around 550.
I don't understand why they went to that new board. I post on there to btw.
The old one they had had so much more functionality.
Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2009, 12:53:35 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 12:50:38 PM
I just got back from the Deep Roads. When I went in I had hardly any money. When I got back, after selling all the useless crap, I had 150 gold.
I sell off my stuff all the time and rarely get that much cash. Interesting.
Sidequests from the mercenaries, mages collective etc. are your friend. Do them all even the crows ones.
Quote from: Winkelried on December 01, 2009, 01:48:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2009, 12:53:35 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 12:50:38 PM
I just got back from the Deep Roads. When I went in I had hardly any money. When I got back, after selling all the useless crap, I had 150 gold.
I sell off my stuff all the time and rarely get that much cash. Interesting.
Sidequests from the mercenaries, mages collective etc. are your friend. Do them all even the crows ones.
And make deals with demons when given the chance. :)
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Funny because it's true. :D
I'm playing a female elf. Having discussions with Allistair and Leliana is quite funny :D
Also, I managed to bang both of them without breaking up with any of them. So far so good...
EDIT: ah, and you can get into a 3some with Allistair and the chick at the Pearl. Silly game :D
Quote from: Queequeg on December 01, 2009, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 02:33:13 AM
Wasn't Vasilla the wife of the Archon who had Andraste put to death?
Marty is right, and Jaron is a fucking retard. In the Temple, before the Dragon.
You're the fucking retard mr Russia is more exotic than Feralden.
And you're a moron if you think a dragon age game based in Tevinter would look anything like Byzantium.
Feralden looks like Wales and the Midlands, with occasional outings to Osgilliath. I don't doubt that Orlais would have a lot of Gothic architecture, or that Tevinter would have a lot of domes.
Jaron, I know you're a retard so I won't expect a good answer, but name something really, truly exotic you saw throughout the entirety of Dragon Age. Cause I've seen Dwarves, Elves, and pseudo-Medieval/Renaissance cities before.
Quote from: viper37 on December 04, 2009, 11:53:56 AM
I'm playing a female elf. Having discussions with Allistair and Leliana is quite funny :D
Also, I managed to bang both of them without breaking up with any of them. So far so good...
EDIT: ah, and you can get into a 3some with Allistair and the chick at the Pearl. Silly game :D
Hehe, I had a MMF threesome with her and Zevran. :P
Quote from: viper37 on December 04, 2009, 11:53:56 AM
I'm playing a female elf. Having discussions with Allistair and Leliana is quite funny :D
Also, I managed to bang both of them without breaking up with any of them. So far so good...
EDIT: ah, and you can get into a 3some with Allistair and the chick at the Pearl. Silly game :D
Good to know... :shifty:
Quote from: Queequeg on December 04, 2009, 04:15:19 PM
Feralden looks like Wales and the Midlands, with occasional outings to Osgilliath. I don't doubt that Orlais would have a lot of Gothic architecture, or that Tevinter would have a lot of domes.
Jaron, I know you're a retard so I won't expect a good answer, but name something really, truly exotic you saw throughout the entirety of Dragon Age. Cause I've seen Dwarves, Elves, and pseudo-Medieval/Renaissance cities before.
Its all in the presentation. All SCI FI and FANTASY are generally rehashes of the same plot and setting elements.
I've never seen elves in ghettos, or dwarves presented the way they are in Dragon age. Most of the common elements of Dwarven society were present in Dragon age (live underground, long beards, excellent smiths, excellent masonry), but I've never seen them have such a violent cut throat society. I also think it is uncommon for humans to be as dominant as they are in Dragon age. Dragon age also goes for a slightly less fantasy role, I think, by limiting the role of fantasy creatures like dragons, demons, spirits, etc. Unlike in many fantasy worlds - Warhammer, Faerun and whatnot, the most dangerous foe are other humanoids.
I also think the absence of any active divinity is quite rare.
Quote from: Jaron on December 04, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
I also think the absence of any active divinity is quite rare.
:yeahright:
I can go as far back as Tolkein to show you a setting with "no active divinity"...
Quote from: Jaron on December 04, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on December 04, 2009, 04:15:19 PM
Feralden looks like Wales and the Midlands, with occasional outings to Osgilliath. I don't doubt that Orlais would have a lot of Gothic architecture, or that Tevinter would have a lot of domes.
Jaron, I know you're a retard so I won't expect a good answer, but name something really, truly exotic you saw throughout the entirety of Dragon Age. Cause I've seen Dwarves, Elves, and pseudo-Medieval/Renaissance cities before.
Its all in the presentation. All SCI FI and FANTASY are generally rehashes of the same plot and setting elements.
I've never seen elves in ghettos, or dwarves presented the way they are in Dragon age. Most of the common elements of Dwarven society were present in Dragon age (live underground, long beards, excellent smiths, excellent masonry), but I've never seen them have such a violent cut throat society. I also think it is uncommon for humans to be as dominant as they are in Dragon age. Dragon age also goes for a slightly less fantasy role, I think, by limiting the role of fantasy creatures like dragons, demons, spirits, etc. Unlike in many fantasy worlds - Warhammer, Faerun and whatnot, the most dangerous foe are other humanoids.
I also think the absence of any active divinity is quite rare.
Actually Warhammer is a lot like that, UNLIKE Faerun. Warhammer is a cool setting because it is so "realistic".
Quote from: Barrister on December 04, 2009, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: Jaron on December 04, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
I also think the absence of any active divinity is quite rare.
:yeahright:
I can go as far back as Tolkein to show you a setting with "no active divinity"...
Uhm, that's not true. In fact, Tolkien's setting has a very HEAVY active divinity. Both Gandald and Sauron are Maiars, subordinates of the gods.
Quote from: Martinus on December 04, 2009, 04:47:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 04, 2009, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: Jaron on December 04, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
I also think the absence of any active divinity is quite rare.
:yeahright:
I can go as far back as Tolkein to show you a setting with "no active divinity"...
Uhm, that's not true. In fact, Tolkien's setting has a very HEAVY active divinity. Both Gandald and Sauron are Maiars, subordinates of the gods.
You have to go to the secondary books to get that fact however. It's not at all obvious or apparent from reading LotR.
In any event lots of fantasy settings have done without Gods, or at least "active" Gods.
Quote from: Barrister on December 04, 2009, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: Jaron on December 04, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
I also think the absence of any active divinity is quite rare.
:yeahright:
I can go as far back as Tolkein to show you a setting with "no active divinity"...
Nonsense. Gandalf, Saruman, and Sauron were all heavenly beings.
Quote from: Barrister on December 04, 2009, 04:52:38 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 04, 2009, 04:47:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 04, 2009, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: Jaron on December 04, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
I also think the absence of any active divinity is quite rare.
:yeahright:
I can go as far back as Tolkein to show you a setting with "no active divinity"...
Uhm, that's not true. In fact, Tolkien's setting has a very HEAVY active divinity. Both Gandald and Sauron are Maiars, subordinates of the gods.
You have to go to the secondary books to get that fact however. It's not at all obvious or apparent from reading LotR.
In any event lots of fantasy settings have done without Gods, or at least "active" Gods.
There is evidence enough in the novels, but even if that information was only accessible through secondary sources it does not matter. The fact remains that there is a very active divine component to Middle Earth. Even in elements like the Balrog, or the Eagles.
I do not claim that Dragon Age was the FIRST to not have active gods, just that is it unusual. D&D, Dragon Lance ( I believe), Warhammer, and even second generation knocksoffs like WoW have active deities.
Quote from: Jaron on December 04, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
Its all in the presentation. All SCI FI and FANTASY are generally rehashes of the same plot and setting elements.
I've never seen elves in ghettos, or dwarves presented the way they are in Dragon age. Most of the common elements of Dwarven society were present in Dragon age (live underground, long beards, excellent smiths, excellent masonry), but I've never seen them have such a violent cut throat society. I also think it is uncommon for humans to be as dominant as they are in Dragon age. Dragon age also goes for a slightly less fantasy role, I think, by limiting the role of fantasy creatures like dragons, demons, spirits, etc. Unlike in many fantasy worlds - Warhammer, Faerun and whatnot, the most dangerous foe are other humanoids.
I also think the absence of any active divinity is quite rare.
Literally everything you just said was more true in Arcanum, which managed to have a more creative, if somewhat less deep and well organized, world.
I am not familiar with Arcanum. I'll need to check it out to compare.
I think more creative is a matter of opinion though, and I will need to read up on this Arcanum before I can agree or disagree with your opinion.
Quote from: Barrister on December 04, 2009, 04:52:38 PM
You have to go to the secondary books to get that fact however. It's not at all obvious or apparent from reading LotR.
In any event lots of fantasy settings have done without Gods, or at least "active" Gods.
Lots? Dragon Age has religion as one of its most important elements and doesn't have any active Gods how many others have that? I can think of ASoIaF off the top of my head...others?
Quote from: Queequeg on December 04, 2009, 04:57:12 PM
Literally everything you just said was more true in Arcanum, which managed to have a more creative, if somewhat less deep and well organized, world.
How was it more creative? It certainly was creative but it didn't exactly invent the wheel. It was classic fantasy archetypes in a 19th century type setting. I mean it was even the gnomes who were into the technology the most. Granted it was cool and I loved it but how was it LESS derivative?
Anyway bashing something designed to be derivative is pretty idiotic. It is the bashing of a football simulator because of how horrible a baseball simulator it is. If you don't want something derivative don't buy something that says 'spiritual successor to something else' buy the 'new fresh setting' blah blah.
Quote from: Jaron on December 04, 2009, 04:59:07 PM
I am not familiar with Arcanum. I'll need to check it out to compare.
I think more creative is a matter of opinion though, and I will need to read up on this Arcanum before I can agree or disagree with your opinion.
Arcanum has knights and wizards, dwarves who live underground, technologically savvy gnomes, and elves that live in trees. It just takes place in a steam punk world where technology and magic exist side by side.
Oh. I won't waste my time then. :P
Fantasy as a whole repeats itself. I think very little new things are injected into the genre.
Dragonage to me is the vessel through which its creator wanted to share the themes they enjoyed in years past with a new generation who are likely to skip over the traditional mediums (table top, etc.)
Quote from: Jaron on December 04, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
I've never seen elves in ghettos, or dwarves presented the way they are in Dragon age. Most of the common elements of Dwarven society were present in Dragon age (live underground, long beards, excellent smiths, excellent masonry), but I've never seen them have such a violent cut throat society.
DA dwarves don't even always have ANY beards.
As for Tevinter, I've read that it was more Roman Empire than Byzantine.
Quote from: Martinus on December 04, 2009, 04:46:15 PM
Actually Warhammer is a lot like that, UNLIKE Faerun. Warhammer is a cool setting because it is so "realistic".
That depends. Recent portrayals of WFRP put a high emphasis on fantastic, monstrous enemies (Storm of Chaos etc).
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 04:59:18 PM
Lots? Dragon Age has religion as one of its most important elements and doesn't have any active Gods how many others have that? I can think of ASoIaF off the top of my head...others?
I'd say Warhammer is like that. It has active religions, but the gods themselves are pretty invisible (aside from Sigmar, and even he only in past history).
Quote from: Solmyr on December 05, 2009, 08:16:30 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 04, 2009, 04:46:15 PM
Actually Warhammer is a lot like that, UNLIKE Faerun. Warhammer is a cool setting because it is so "realistic".
That depends. Recent portrayals of WFRP put a high emphasis on fantastic, monstrous enemies (Storm of Chaos etc).
Recent portrayals are crap, especially the third edition. :P
As far as I am concerned, Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2nd edition is canon.
Quote from: Martinus on December 05, 2009, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on December 05, 2009, 08:16:30 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 04, 2009, 04:46:15 PM
Actually Warhammer is a lot like that, UNLIKE Faerun. Warhammer is a cool setting because it is so "realistic".
That depends. Recent portrayals of WFRP put a high emphasis on fantastic, monstrous enemies (Storm of Chaos etc).
Recent portrayals are crap, especially the third edition. :P
As far as I am concerned, Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2nd edition is canon.
Storm of Chaos is 2nd edition. :P
I don't plan on switching to 3rd but from what I've read it's not nearly as bad as people claim. It has more visual aids and other bling but the spirit is the same.
Well, I've finally finished the game. On normal, play time was 89 hours 42 minutes.
Easily game of the year, and for the last several. Ranks among the best rpgs of all time. I hope it's not too long a wait for a sequel.
Now that I know the game better, am going to attempt to play it again, entirely on hard, never lowering the difficulty even for boss fights. Think I'll have to do it as a mage. Golems will carry me through the last battle, they tore shit up on normal.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 01, 2009, 02:25:15 AM
Oh, and WTF is up with Sandal standing outside the Dragon's door surrounded by dead darkspawn and soldiers wanting to enchant for you? I busted up laughing there. Enchantment! :lol:
Yeah, I almost died of laughter. Hundreds of dead bodies everywhere and that lyrium addled dwarf is just standing there like nothing is going on. Enchantment!
Did kind of break immersion though, him opening up a store with all his fathers goods there like that. I mean, at that point, if I needed some potions or armor and I couldn't afford them, I'm taking them.
Quote from: Martinus on December 01, 2009, 12:50:38 PM
I just got back from the Deep Roads. When I went in I had hardly any money. When I got back, after selling all the useless crap, I had 150 gold.
Most gold I had at any time during the game was 36. I was always scrounging for gold to buy all the books and materials I needed. I had 4 ranks in poison, it's an expensive hobby. There were a couple really expensive items I wanted, but I never had any hope of getting them.
It probably didn't help that I had a chest in my campsite filled up with loot that I didn't want to sell, just in case. :lol:
Quote from: Queequeg on December 02, 2009, 03:40:42 PM
Thought the gays might enjoy this. Andrew Sullivan is probably the most popular gay blogger in America. (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/12/cheesy-elf-on-man-action.html)
[Obligatory statement about he needs to be shot. Out of a cannon. Into the sun.]
I finally broke down and bought it to play after finals. What mistakes should I avoid?
Quote from: Faeelin on December 06, 2009, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on December 02, 2009, 03:40:42 PM
Thought the gays might enjoy this. Andrew Sullivan is probably the most popular gay blogger in America. (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/12/cheesy-elf-on-man-action.html)
[Obligatory statement about he needs to be shot. Out of a cannon. Into the sun.]
I finally broke down and bought it to play after finals. What mistakes should I avoid?
Reading Martinus' posts
Quote from: Faeelin on December 06, 2009, 10:17:20 AM
I finally broke down and bought it to play after finals. What mistakes should I avoid?
Well, you failed to avoid the
first obvious mistake! :lol:
I kid, but the game isn't for everyone. I stopped out of boredom partway through. Couldn't even tell you where I stopped in the plot, because I just ran out of "care." Most seemed to like it, though, and some liked it a whole lot.
Quote from: Faeelin on December 06, 2009, 10:17:20 AM
I finally broke down and bought it to play after finals. What mistakes should I avoid?
Reading this thread. Don't come here again until you've finished.
Quote from: grumbler on December 06, 2009, 05:33:54 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on December 06, 2009, 10:17:20 AM
I finally broke down and bought it to play after finals. What mistakes should I avoid?
Well, you failed to avoid the first obvious mistake! :lol:
I kid, but the game isn't for everyone. I stopped out of boredom partway through. Couldn't even tell you where I stopped in the plot, because I just ran out of "care." Most seemed to like it, though, and some liked it a whole lot.
I don't think that's quite fair.
I'm not a big fan of the combat system. I think others agree.
As far as fantasy settings and games though I think it's great.
Quote from: Barrister on December 06, 2009, 06:41:34 PM
I don't think that's quite fair.
I'm not a big fan of the combat system. I think others agree.
As far as fantasy settings and games though I think it's great.
Not sure what part of my post could possibly qualify as not fair. :huh:
Having a differing opinion? :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on December 06, 2009, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 06, 2009, 06:41:34 PM
I don't think that's quite fair.
I'm not a big fan of the combat system. I think others agree.
As far as fantasy settings and games though I think it's great.
Not sure what part of my post could possibly qualify as not fair. :huh:
The first obvious mistake being to purchase the game? :unsure:
I really hate the fights that are preceeded by long stretches of dialogue. I wind up needing to fight them 3-4 times, thus being forced to wade through the dialogue 3-4 times. :bleeding:
I don't like the fights preceded by dialogue as they force your character out of stealth, and then leave you all grouped together.
Although it also teleports your group to you, can be useful at times if you want to skip lots of enemies.
Quote from: Barrister on December 06, 2009, 11:53:40 PM
The first obvious mistake being to purchase the game? :unsure:
You mean the phrase followed by "I kid?" :unsure:
Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 01:13:04 AM
I really hate the fights that are preceeded by long stretches of dialogue. I wind up needing to fight them 3-4 times, thus being forced to wade through the dialogue 3-4 times. :bleeding:
They almost always autosave right after the dialogs or give you a chance to quick save real fast. Which specific fight are you having problems with?
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2009, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 01:13:04 AM
I really hate the fights that are preceeded by long stretches of dialogue. I wind up needing to fight them 3-4 times, thus being forced to wade through the dialogue 3-4 times. :bleeding:
They almost always autosave right after the dialogs or give you a chance to quick save real fast. Which specific fight are you having problems with?
All of them?
Seriously - it feels like I need to run through most fights at least a couple of times in order to figure out the strategy.
Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 12:38:07 PM
All of them?
Seriously - it feels like I need to run through most fights at least a couple of times in order to figure out the strategy.
Do you suck or do your party mix suck?
Four characters
1 tank (most often Alistair since he is one from the start) in massive armour
1 Dps (you, Zathran or Leilana though can work with Sten or Oghden as well)
1 CC (you or Morrigan)
1 Healer (most often Wynne since she is that from the start)
All you need to do is run around with you as CC and do Frost cone, petrify and Choking imprisonment to win any fights.
Toughest fight I had? The Broodmother as I hadn't picked up Wynne at that point and Morrigan had to both heal and CC, though I did take her down without reloading once. After I picked up Wynne, no problems at all as long as I used this party mix. :thumbsup:
Apparently the most recent patch (released yesterday) has gimped winter's grasp/cone of cold somewhat.
QuoteDragon Age: Origins 1.02
Patch details:
Many of the fixes affecting balance, gameplay, or plot scripting are already included in the Xbox 360 and PlayStation®3 versions of Dragon Age: Origins.
You do not need to download patches prior to Patch 1.02. Downloading Patch 1.02 contains all previous patches. Downloading Patch 1.02 will provide you with all patch data available.
Balance
Daggers now apply 0.5 points of damage per additional point in dexterity and 0.5 points of damage per additional point in strength, as originally intended. This increases dagger damage for high-dexterity characters.
During combat, mana or stamina reserves now correctly regenerate more quickly when reserves are low. This allows players to occasionally use an talent or spell in the later stages of lengthy fights.
When exploring, mana and stamina now regenerate more quickly at higher character levels. This reduces downtime between fights.
The spells Force Field, Crushing Prison, Cone of Cold, and Blizzard now have shorter durations and/or longer cooldowns. This ensures that combatants can no longer stun-lock each other by repeatedly casting the same spell.
The cooldowns for several low-level sustained abilities are now shorter. This ensures that players are not penalized for accidentally deactivating them.
Certain battles were not scaling properly, resulting in excessively difficult fights. They now scale as intended.
Enemy corpses now drop health poultices and money more appropriately, resulting in less clutter in the player's inventory.
Gameplay
In rare cases, enemy corpses were selectable when they contained no loot. This no longer occurs.
Party members whose combat tactics were set to defensive behavior no longer stop attacking after using a spell or talent.
In rare cases, combat tactics conditions could fail to determine whether a character had enough mana or stamina to use an ability. This no longer occurs.
The Rally talent no longer repeats its audio effect if it is active during certain conversations.
The Rally talent no longer deactivates upon area transitions or conversations.
The Shimmering Shield spell now deactivates when the character is out of mana.
Plot *Spoiler Warning*
Promotional downloadable content items now remain in the player's inventory when standard items are removed at the end of the dwarf noble origin.
Repeatedly talking to Duncan after gathering the vials in the Korcari Wilds but not the treaties no longer provides duplicate experience.
Leliana's personal plot can now be completed if the player substantially increased her approval (through gifts) before talking to her.
During the siege of Redcliffe, enemies are no longer able to spawn in locations that would break the plot.
Bann Teagan no longer disappears when he is supposed to be accessible during Urn of Sacred Ashes.
PC Specific
Controlling a summoned creature (like a ranger's pets) during certain special area transitions no longer results in odd behavior.
Creating a character in a custom module did not create a folder for saves. This could result in corruption of main campaign saves. This no longer occurs.
In some cases, the class icon was set incorrectly for characters imported from the downloadable Character Creator. This no longer occurs.
The options menu now includes a setting to automatically download previously purchased content that is not currently installed.
After installing new downloadable content, the game now always reminds the user to restart the game.
The icons for some promotional downloadable content items were missing. They now appear correctly.
The screenshot upload GUI would stop working from time to time on the client. There was a memory override that was fixed. It is a client fix. It doesn't affect the other problems we have seen on the server.
QuoteThe spells Force Field, Crushing Prison, Cone of Cold, and Blizzard now have shorter durations and/or longer cooldowns. This ensures that combatants can no longer stun-lock each other by repeatedly casting the same spell.
Man! There goes my 'Force Field' tactic of saving the orange dude until after I have killed everybody else.
On my second playthrough, in Lothering. I finally figured out what landmarks are for. I'd been wondering that the entire game last time through. I thought it was some super secret quest.
Spoil us DP!
Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 01:13:04 AM
I really hate the fights that are preceeded by long stretches of dialogue. I wind up needing to fight them 3-4 times, thus being forced to wade through the dialogue 3-4 times. :bleeding:
You can press ESC to quickly skip through the dialogues.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 08, 2009, 11:26:12 AM
Spoil us DP!
The dog pees on them. For a temp stat boost. Not sure what happens if he pees on them all. I guess this is his quest.
:lol:
This game is pissing me off.
Stop taking my party away from me!
I finally finished the zombie invasion fight. God damn, I think that fight alone took over an hour. :bleeding:
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 12:48:43 PM
I finally finished the zombie invasion fight. God damn, I think that fight alone took over an hour. :bleeding:
It only gets better from here! Seriously the next part of that plot is...very interesting.
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 12:48:43 PM
I finally finished the zombie invasion fight. God damn, I think that fight alone took over an hour. :bleeding:
What lvl were you playing it at? I did my first playthrough at easy - this one at normal - but even at normal I had to lower it at easy for some fights like against the High Dragon in the Sacred Ashes quest (favorite quest of the game btw).
Oh and I finally managed to import the Ducan Armor model - now my Arcane Warrior looks like the real thing. I used the Winter Forge mod to make him a "Jedi Knight Lightsaber" too :blush:
G.
Quote from: Grallon on December 09, 2009, 12:59:50 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 12:48:43 PM
I finally finished the zombie invasion fight. God damn, I think that fight alone took over an hour. :bleeding:
What lvl were you playing it at?
lvl 9. I am trying to avoid lowering the difficulty.
I had come to Redcliffe as the first place after the initial village, and gave up in frustration. I went and did the elven storyline, then came back.
Go to the Circle Tower.
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 12:48:43 PM
I finally finished the zombie invasion fight. God damn, I think that fight alone took over an hour. :bleeding:
I don't think it should take that long. There is a bug in that fight though, monsters can get stuck in the lower town portion of it, and they will keep spawning up above until they get unstuck or you go hunt them down.
I have no idea why people would ever need to lower the difficulty on this game....
Redcliffe is dead easy. Either focus fire or retreat back up the hill of that fails. It is the easiest significant battle in the game. By the description in the latest patch everything just got easier too.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 09, 2009, 02:44:27 PM
I have no idea why people would ever need to lower the difficulty on this game....
Redcliffe is dead easy. Either focus fire or retreat back up the hill of that fails. It is the easiest significant battle in the game. By the description in the latest patch everything just got easier too.
In the end I did retreat back up the hills, and that finished things off rather easily.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 09, 2009, 02:44:27 PM
Redcliffe is dead easy. Either focus fire or retreat back up the hill of that fails. It is the easiest significant battle in the game. By the description in the latest patch everything just got easier too.
Not sure if this applies to Languish folks, but from the DA forums it seems alot of people charge into every battle headfirst like kamikazes and are then shocked and angry at the game when this 'strategy' fails. I have to admit I did this quite often at first :blush: , but I never blamed DA or Bioware for it, but rather my own tactical laziness. :cool:
I hardly head kamikaze style into battle. I send Alistair in to act as a tank, with Morrigan, Leliana and my mage back up the hill to provide ranged damage. I tried throwing off as many heals as I could to keep the NPCs alive, but they were ultimately overwhelmed. I also certainly used focus fire (which is why the battle took so long - I needed to pause every few seconds), but the numbers were just overwhelming.
It also didn't help when I would invariably pull aggro with too many healing spells.
I think the higher difficulty levels rely heavily on the Tactics system - which one must keep updated depending on the situation. For instance when I went for Flemeth I had Alistair tanking and Leliana 'programmed' to shoot 'shattering shot' until the dragon went under 25% then she was to switch to 'killing shot'. Wynn was naturally providing healing mostly for Alistair while I blasted the dragon with electricity.
My problem is that I keep forgetting to use them tactics.
G.
Redcliffe is not "easy" if you actually want to keep the NPCs alive. And it's implied that you can do so, since the end speech after the battle includes separate references to e.g. the village mayor.
I think when I did that battle with my first PC the mayor was the only notable NPC who actually got killed.
Only one who died when I did it was the bar owner. Which was fine with me, he was an ass, and the chick got to take over.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on December 09, 2009, 04:04:44 PM
Only one who died when I did it was the bar owner. Which was fine with me, he was an ass, and the chick got to take over.
I was mad I didn't get to do her after the battle. :mad:
Well there are a few extras that you can persuade to join and while the dwarf and his henchmen are pretty easy to keep up the innkeeper is a major hassle to keep alive. The elven archer is usually no probs though since he rarely melees.
Actually, maybe the elven archer dude died as well. He seemed to have completely disappeared following the battle.
You get a mediocre helm if you keep everyone alive. I had to do the battle twice as the retard bar owner kept charging into the oncoming ranks by himself and got killed in the last wave on my first go through. Fucker. :mad:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsocial.bioware.com%2F%2Fuploads_user%2F275000%2F274989%2F11297.jpg&hash=c95a2df07ace5a12f6ca17b2cd1d677a57f104f8)
Here's my warden Arcane Warrior: Kohan
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Crappy shot of my latest character: Padme, human rogue! :wub:
Quote from: Valmy on December 10, 2009, 01:02:47 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsocial.bioware.com%2F%2Fuploads_user%2F275000%2F274989%2F11297.jpg&hash=c95a2df07ace5a12f6ca17b2cd1d677a57f104f8)
:D
Started a new character, had them go all the way through Ostagar. Then I got Lothering, and I realized I forgot to give the kennel master the herbs so I could recruit Dog. Nearest previous save I can recruit him is at the very beginning of the Ostagar quests. <_<
There's some DLC coming out soon where you can get dog again. It's called Return to Ostagar or some such.
So after getting halfway with warrior, started up mage just for giggles, man game seems much easier standing back and tossing bolts and heals.
Finally finished it. Clocking it a 81h. Alistair killed Loghain & the Archdemon. Anora was made Queen. I asked her to send human armies to help the Dwarves of Orzarmmar get the deep roads back. I was made living Paragon. Leliana, Zevran & I explored the world until Dragon Age 2.
Using the "natural skin' mod I was able to 'simulate' an encounter between Alistair and my Arcane Warrior. :P
G.
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Oy vey
NSFW much? :rolleyes: Better edit that to a link.
Can someone please temp-ban him for that? I'm in a library here. With a lot of people.
Quote from: Queequeg on December 14, 2009, 03:19:30 AM
Can someone please temp-ban him for that? I'm in a library here. With a lot of people.
Are they afraid of 2D drawings now in your area? :rolleyes:
G.
Quote from: Grallon on December 14, 2009, 08:04:37 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on December 14, 2009, 03:19:30 AM
Can someone please temp-ban him for that? I'm in a library here. With a lot of people.
Are they afraid of 2D drawings now in your area? :rolleyes:
G.
He lives in a police state. Chicago.
Does anyones penis hang vertically like that? :unsure:
Best Dragon Age mod out so far :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCh1iQLOjRg
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on December 14, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
Best Dragon Age mod out so far :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCh1iQLOjRg
"Morrigan approves" :lol:
Quote from: Queequeg on December 14, 2009, 03:19:30 AM
Can someone please temp-ban him for that? I'm in a library here. With a lot of people.
Fuck off, idiot.
Quote from: Martinus on December 15, 2009, 02:32:32 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on December 14, 2009, 03:19:30 AM
Can someone please temp-ban him for that? I'm in a library here. With a lot of people.
Fuck off, idiot.
Ah, Marti the Tolerant shows us his tolerance once again! :lol:
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on December 14, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
Best Dragon Age mod out so far :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCh1iQLOjRg
It should have been in the game!! :D
Ok, I dumped Morrigan for Leliana and suddenly Zevran comes on to me :huh:
Im not a homophobe but this is a bridge too far for a bit more bonus. So I turned him down and got -5 while he acted like it was no big deal! Men, pfff!
Quote from: Seen on December 15, 2009, 02:09:46 PM
Ok, I dumped Morrigan for Leliana and suddenly Zevran comes on to me :huh:
Im not a homophobe but this is a bridge too far for a bit more bonus. So I turned him down and got -5 while he acted like it was no big deal! Men, pfff!
You're missing out on great dialogues by turning Zevran away. In this playthrough I made him my bitch.
G.
Quote from: Martinus on December 15, 2009, 02:32:32 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on December 14, 2009, 03:19:30 AM
Can someone please temp-ban him for that? I'm in a library here. With a lot of people.
Fuck off, idiot.
I don't know about a temp ban being necessary, but it is NSFW. I'm sure if it were a naked female you'd be crying foul.
Quote from: Grallon on December 15, 2009, 02:18:29 PM
Quote from: Seen on December 15, 2009, 02:09:46 PM
Ok, I dumped Morrigan for Leliana and suddenly Zevran comes on to me :huh:
Im not a homophobe but this is a bridge too far for a bit more bonus. So I turned him down and got -5 while he acted like it was no big deal! Men, pfff!
You're missing out on great dialogues by turning Zevran away. In this playthrough I made him my bitch.
G.
I'm waiting for a mod that makes him look different. I agree that he's a good character though.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 16, 2009, 09:38:05 PM
I'm waiting for a mod that makes him look different. I agree that he's a good character though.
I'm using this one myself (never liked the blond hairdo):
http://www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/images/164-1-1259116526.jpg
G.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on December 15, 2009, 03:13:28 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 15, 2009, 02:32:32 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on December 14, 2009, 03:19:30 AM
Can someone please temp-ban him for that? I'm in a library here. With a lot of people.
Fuck off, idiot.
I don't know about a temp ban being necessary, but it is NSFW. I'm sure if it were a naked female you'd be crying foul.
Not really. If I worried about a collection of pixels vaguely resembling a cunt being a problem with my employer, I wouldn't post from work. The whole NFSW crowd here is becoming ridiculous.
Anyway, I'm now on my third playthrough, as Ser Jaime Cousland, a human noble and a champion/templar. I'm playing him as a Lawful Neutral guy with little love for mages, and even less for blood magic and demons.
SPOILER:
The hardest decision so far: killing Connor (I wiped out the mages in the Circle of Magic - in a way that still kept Wynne with me btw - and executed Jowan for his crimes - which meant I had no other choice, pretty much). Bioware really lays down the guilt trip on you for that - I thought it's going to be a simple matter of having to slay a demon once he posseses the boy. They made it much harder - essentially forcing you to pull away weeping Lady Isolde from the prone body of her son and they slitting the boy's throat. Lost approval of pretty much everyone in my party (I travel with Wynne, Leliana and Alistair). :blush:
Anyway, I am romancing Leliana on this playthrough. My plan is to "harden" her when we get to meet Marjolaine, and then keep her as my lover, when I marry Anora (and subsequently put her in a tower). I will be a good King (unfortunately Alistair will have to die fighting the Archdeamon - since there is no way I'm letting the blood witch Morrigan anywhere near my dick :P).
And here he is, Ser Jaime Cousland, the future King of Ferelden.
He is not a bastard, mind you. He is respectful to the clergy and the nobility, always donating to the Chantry and asking for the Maker's blessing. He helps people who deserve it. He prefers to use Intimidate rather than Persuade, but uses it on people who show cowardice or lack of honor (e.g. the dwarf, the blacksmith or the innkeeper in Redcliffe, or the merchant in Lothering). He slays criminals without mercy (like the bandits in Lothering, the blood mage chick in the Circle of Magi, the deserter in Ostagar or Jowan), but is not needlessly cruel (e.g. I let the soldiers in the tavern in Lothering to walk away). Morrigan positively hates him, the rest of the party is more amiable. He will not spare Loghain, though - he is a peasant upstart and a co-conspirator in the death of Jaime's family.
So far Morrigan, Flemmeth and Wynne are the only mages who met him and lived - but it does not mean he murders them all (for example, he "failed" to save Irving :P).
For the sake of completeness, I went the Diabolist (defiling the Ashes of Andraste) route on one save of my current game. Damn! Wynne and Lelianna jumped Sten and I. Bitches! Didn't matter though, as I demolished them.
I've found a fantastic way to make money: be a Dwarf Noble and sell all of your loot to Gorim in Denerim. Wow. I've made a metric fuck ton of money like that. I've had enough to waste on some crazy items and armor, burning through at least... 240 gold with still about 90 on me. I've got Redcliffe and Breccilan Forest to go as well. Also, I made a save in Orzammar prior to support Bhelen or Harrowmont and plan to run both sides to see what happens. I played through supporting Bhelen, once giving him the crown and once pulling the sweet revenge of giving it to Harrowmont at the last second. I really love how each origin has such an impact when you go back to where you're from or interact with people from your origin.
how can you be king?0
Quote from: I Killed Kenny on December 17, 2009, 05:50:24 PM
how can you be king?0
I believe if you're a male human noble and have Allistar take the killing blow, you can marry Anora and become King.
Quote from: Martinus on December 17, 2009, 03:54:35 AM
The whole NFSW crowd here is becoming ridiculous.
I am not sure that you are a "crowd" but your NSFW posts are definitely ridiculous. We have had the SFW general rule here since the start, and you are no n00b who can claim you didn't know about it.
Threads and links with NSFW tags are okay, since everyone who sees will know not to open it when it isn't appropriate. NSFW posts in non-tagged threads, though, are simply inconsiderate. The proper response to a complaint about one is "sorry! :blush:" and a deletion of the offending picutre (replaced by a link labelled NSFW where appropriate).
You know all of this, which is why posting NSFW stuff is indeed, as you note, ridiculous.
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Quote from: I Killed Kenny on December 17, 2009, 05:50:24 PM
how can you be king?0
I believe if you're a male human noble and have Allistar take the killing blow, you can marry Anora and become King.
It's not specifically dependent on Alistair, though you have to support Anora vs him (and propose marriage to her after you rescue her, before the Landsmeet).
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on December 17, 2009, 03:25:49 PM
For the sake of completeness, I went the Diabolist (defiling the Ashes of Andraste) route on one save of my current game. Damn! Wynne and Lelianna jumped Sten and I. Bitches! Didn't matter though, as I demolished them.
I've found a fantastic way to make money: be a Dwarf Noble and sell all of your loot to Gorim in Denerim. Wow. I've made a metric fuck ton of money like that. I've had enough to waste on some crazy items and armor, burning through at least... 240 gold with still about 90 on me. I've got Redcliffe and Breccilan Forest to go as well. Also, I made a save in Orzammar prior to support Bhelen or Harrowmont and plan to run both sides to see what happens. I played through supporting Bhelen, once giving him the crown and once pulling the sweet revenge of giving it to Harrowmont at the last second. I really love how each origin has such an impact when you go back to where you're from or interact with people from your origin.
For that Orzammar is an hoot, especially has a Casteless.
Finally beat it. Woot woot! Got the Traveller achievement, the killing yourself one, and the save over 50% of the troops at Denerim one to push my achievement total to over half of my 360 achievement points. I plan on going back through the prior save and supporting Harrowmont to the end of the Orzammar campaign to see what transpires, though no further. I also think I'll continue on with my paused female human rogue and beat the game. Ranking so far is damned high on my all0time list. We'll see how it handles once the joy of beating it wears off.
3rd playthrough - meet Aeryn Cousland, future queen of Ferelden.
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Incidentally, did anybody else revive the golem army? I was surprised that even Morrigan was unhappy with doing so...
Quote from: Faeelin on December 20, 2009, 10:27:48 AM
Incidentally, did anybody else revive the goelm army? I was surprised that even Morrigan was unhappy with doing so...
Of course. Wasn't a tough decision at all. Shale wasn't too happy about it however.
Quote from: Faeelin on December 20, 2009, 10:27:48 AM
Incidentally, did anybody else revive the golem army? I was surprised that even Morrigan was unhappy with doing so...
I guess in her case, the librarytarian won out over the utilitarian.
Incidentally, I withdraw criticism of blood mages. Once you get the higher level spells... getting an entire room to freeze, suffer damage, and then take control of the alpha ogre is far too awesome to criticize.
Quote from: Faeelin on December 20, 2009, 04:41:05 PM
Incidentally, I withdraw criticism of blood mages. Once you get the higher level spells... getting an entire room to freeze, suffer damage, and then take control of the alpha ogre is far too awesome to criticize.
Where do you unlock blood mage anyway?
Quote from: Slargos on December 20, 2009, 07:06:09 PM
Where do you unlock blood mage anyway?
Redcliffe - when you sacrifice the Orlesian bitch to enter the Fade and battle the demon who posess her son. There you can make a pact with the demon to gain Blood Magic in exchange for the posession of Connor further down the road.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on December 20, 2009, 07:08:33 PMRedcliffe - when you sacrifice the Orlesian bitch to enter the Fade and battle the demon who posess her son. There you can make a pact with the demon to gain Blood Magic in exchange for the posession of Connor further down the road.
Or you can threaten to beat her to death. :bash:
Quote from: Faeelin on December 20, 2009, 07:44:23 PM
Or you can threaten to beat her to death. :bash:
And the purpose of the bashing is? :rolleyes:
G.
Quote from: Grallon on December 20, 2009, 09:45:50 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on December 20, 2009, 07:44:23 PM
Or you can threaten to beat her to death. :bash:
And the purpose of the bashing is? :rolleyes:
G.
Obviously to wrangle the secret to blood magic out of her. Duh. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Grallon on December 20, 2009, 09:45:50 PM
And the purpose of the bashing is? :rolleyes:
G.
I dunno, what's the point of your general shrillness and questionable ethics?
Ok, Morrigan finally invited me into her tent for some steamy binary action and, despite all the excellent sideboobage shown while travelling and combating with the group, what do I get?
I didn't expect anything Not Safe For Youngsters, but surely I wouldn't expect an horny Witch of the Wilds dressed in a Playtex ligerie set that seems it just came out from a Wal-Mart's women apparel aisle <_<
oh, and I'm in Redcliffe village: where the fuck is that damn Bevin boy her sister is looking for?
L.
Quote from: Pedrito on December 21, 2009, 04:09:36 AM
oh, and I'm in Redcliffe village: where the fuck is that damn Bevin boy her sister is looking for?
L.
He's in his house in the cabinet/dresser thing. Click on it and there's some dialogue and he comes out. You can get a sword from him if your persuade is decent.
Also, I agree on the cop out regarding the ladies. <_<
Quote from: Faeelin on December 21, 2009, 12:48:28 AM
I dunno, what's the point of your general shrillness and questionable ethics?
:lol: Pull yourself in boy.
G.
Quote from: Faeelin on December 20, 2009, 10:27:48 AM
Incidentally, did anybody else revive the golem army? I was surprised that even Morrigan was unhappy with doing so...
I did. It was needed. Living Paragon > Old Paragon
Got bored with the Mage in Orzammar, now I'm playing as a female Dalish warrior that got just two fantastically awesome pieces of equipment from Ironbark. :thumbsup:
I still find the fights in this game to be quite hard. I had to restart a random encounter with wolves while travelling several times FFS.
The wolves are hard, its true.
The game scales some encounters badly.
CC everything BB.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 21, 2009, 12:55:09 PM
The wolves are hard, its true.
The game scales some encounters badly.
CC everything BB.
I don't have any great CC options, or at least when I try the few spells I have the CC seems to break almost immediately.
You have Cone of Cold + a Rogue?
What difficulty are you playing at, BB? I play at Normal and hardly ever have any problems. And I don't even use Morrigan - just Alistair, Lellianna and Wynne (I'm a tank-ish champion/templar myself).
Quote from: Martinus on December 21, 2009, 01:26:37 PM
What difficulty are you playing at, BB? I play at Normal and hardly ever have any problems. And I don't even use Morrigan - just Alistair, Lellianna and Wynne (I'm a tank-ish champion/templar myself).
Normal.
I'm a mage, usually travel with Alistair, Leliana, and random 4th. If I can I get Alistair up front to tank, I throw out a bunch of heals, Leliana does ranged damage. That works well when I can plan for an encounter, but any of the scripted events, in particular when attacked from all sides, just get very messy.
Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2009, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 21, 2009, 01:26:37 PM
What difficulty are you playing at, BB? I play at Normal and hardly ever have any problems. And I don't even use Morrigan - just Alistair, Lellianna and Wynne (I'm a tank-ish champion/templar myself).
Normal.
I'm a mage, usually travel with Alistair, Leliana, and random 4th. If I can I get Alistair up front to tank, I throw out a bunch of heals, Leliana does ranged damage. That works well when I can plan for an encounter, but any of the scripted events, in particular when attacked from all sides, just get very messy.
In case you haven't been doing that, it's a good idea to invest into Alistair's Constitution when he is the tanker.
Quote from: Martinus on December 21, 2009, 01:26:37 PM
What difficulty are you playing at, BB? I play at Normal and hardly ever have any problems. And I don't even use Morrigan - just Alistair, Lellianna and Wynne (I'm a tank-ish champion/templar myself).
Difficulty levels on PC and Xbox are not the same. Not sure what spells you use with Wynne, but the Xbox has no friendly fire at normal while the PC does, which makes an enormous difference.
Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2009, 01:31:22 PM
Normal.
I'm a mage, usually travel with Alistair, Leliana, and random 4th. If I can I get Alistair up front to tank, I throw out a bunch of heals, Leliana does ranged damage. That works well when I can plan for an encounter, but any of the scripted events, in particular when attacked from all sides, just get very messy.
Try using Force Field. Only second level too. You can either use it to take one mob out for a bit, although you can't attack them while they are behind it, or use it on your own guy to make an invincible tank once he's generated enough aggro.
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Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2009, 01:31:22 PM
Normal.
I'm a mage, usually travel with Alistair, Leliana, and random 4th. If I can I get Alistair up front to tank, I throw out a bunch of heals, Leliana does ranged damage. That works well when I can plan for an encounter, but any of the scripted events, in particular when attacked from all sides, just get very messy.
Try using Force Field. Only second level too. You can either use it to take one mob out for a bit, although you can't attack them while they are behind it, or use it on your own guy to make an invincible tank once he's generated enough aggro.
I'll try and remember that.
And "no friendly fire" would make a huge difference.
Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2009, 02:02:39 PM
And "no friendly fire" would make a huge difference.
There i no friendly fire on Easy.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on December 21, 2009, 04:41:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2009, 02:02:39 PM
And "no friendly fire" would make a huge difference.
There i no friendly fire on Easy.
G.
But I play on normal.
Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
But I play on normal.
And friendly fire applies on all levels but Easy.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on December 21, 2009, 06:39:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
But I play on normal.
And friendly fire applies on all levels but Easy.
We appear to be talking past each other. Yes, I know that.
But DP mentioned that FF does NOT apply on the XBox version of the game, at normal difficulty level, which would make it quite a bit easier.
Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2009, 07:07:17 PM
But DP mentioned that FF does NOT apply on the XBox version of the game, at normal difficulty level, which would make it quite a bit easier.
I can confirm this.
It is NIGH impossible to plan any kind of meaningful strategy on the Xbox version.
Finally did it, at hard, with my warrior character.
Waiting for the expansion pack, I completed all origin stories, and I'm nearing the end with my rogue character, a female city elf.
Anyone here took a Dwarf noble? Is there anything special when you get back to Orzammar?
Everyone hates you and calls you a kinslayer. Harrowmont is obviously friendly toward you and says he always believed in you, yadda yadda. Bhalen is all kinds of a dick to you, and expects you to screw him over and side with Harrowmont, though if you do side with him he gives you some respect. I've got a save where I plan on backing Harrowmont, but I haven't gotten back to it yet. There's some dialogue about various aspects of the origin story, but I forget them all offhand.
The best aspect for a dwarf noble is in Denerim: your former second is there as a merchant. He's pays way above the normal rate for stuff. It's easy to make a mint selling to him. I was able to buy every top end piece off of merchants in the game simply by selling everything to him and building up tonsof cash. I even had enough left over to give 120 gold to Redcliffe's forces.
Nice. I'll be sure to try that story then! :)
I will be soon completing my 3rd playthrough - but I've never been interested in dwarves - they're ugly as sin.
Besides if you need money: type " ` " (tilde) and then "runscript zz_money 5000000" and you get 500 golds in your chest.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on January 12, 2010, 11:13:33 AM
I will be soon completing my 3rd playthrough - but I've never been interested in dwarves - they're ugly as sin.
Seriously? You think the dwarves of Dragon Age are ugly? I mean they are just short humans. Alot of them do not even have beards.
Dwarves are much cooler then Elves.
But Grallon only wants to play with characters he'd like to fuck. So male only too?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 01:47:58 PM
But Grallon only wants to play with characters he'd like to fuck. So male only too?
Not true he has played females before. He even has a screenie of one he is playing in this thread IIRC.
Then. He should play the Dwarves. The Casteless story is the best of the game.
Quote from: Grallon on January 12, 2010, 11:13:33 AM
I will be soon completing my 3rd playthrough - but I've never been interested in dwarves - they're ugly as sin.
Besides if you need money: type " ` " (tilde) and then "runscript zz_money 5000000" and you get 500 golds in your chest.
G.
Playing on the 360, so no nudity codes, no chest code, no gold cheat codes, nada but skill and determination. :showoff:
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 02:42:45 PM
Then. He should play the Dwarves. The Casteless story is the best of the game.
I think he still demands his female characters be HOTT on an aesthetic level even if he woudn't have sex with them.
Quote from: Valmy on January 12, 2010, 03:01:54 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 02:42:45 PM
Then. He should play the Dwarves. The Casteless story is the best of the game.
I think he still demands his female characters be HOTT on an aesthetic level even if he woudn't have sex with them.
Except his female character was not HOTT, at least in my opinion.
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Except his female character was not HOTT, at least in my opinion.
Your opinion and good taste are 2 different things. Observe.
G.
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I'm partial to dark haired, clear eyed beauty - whether in males or females.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on December 19, 2009, 05:22:26 PM
3rd playthrough - meet Aeryn Cousland, future queen of Ferelden.
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Not as attractive.
I actually think Dwarf women are pretty cute even with their freakishly long arms.
A couple of peeves:
Was anyone else annoyed with the fact that they'd been at a medieval level of civilization for millenia?.
Quote from: Faeelin on January 12, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
A couple of peeves:
Was anyone else annoyed with the fact that they'd been at a medieval level of civilization for millenia?.
That's a pretty common theme in fantasy worlds. From Lord if the Rings onwards, there's no technological advancement. Hell if anything (and again following from Tolkein) the ancients are sometimes seen as being more advanced.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 07:01:22 PM
That's a pretty common theme in fantasy worlds. From Lord if the Rings onwards, there's no technological advancement. Hell if anything (and again following from Tolkein) the ancients are sometimes seen as being more advanced.
People don't realise how slow 'history' was before the industrial revolution; centuries upon centuries of just about the same thing - with no more than a few 'advancements'.
What is it with people wanting a particular setting - then applying their own morals/worldview onto it - only to profess themselves disapointed by the choices they themselves made!?
G.
Quote from: Grallon on January 12, 2010, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 07:01:22 PM
That's a pretty common theme in fantasy worlds. From Lord if the Rings onwards, there's no technological advancement. Hell if anything (and again following from Tolkein) the ancients are sometimes seen as being more advanced.
People don't realise how slow 'history' was before the industrial revolution; centuries upon centuries of just about the same thing - with no more than a few 'advancements'.
What is it with people wanting a particular setting - then applying their own morals/worldview onto it - only to profess themselves disapointed by the choices they themselves made!?
I don't think that's true. While nothing like the last 200 years there was significant advancements between, say, 1000AD and 1800 AD (to pick a start for the industrial revolution). Even if you meant to say before the renaissance, society and technology was noticably changing between 1000 and 1500.
My point was there were periods in our history where not much happened for long stretches. We can argue about specific dates elsewhere.
G.
Quote from: Faeelin on January 12, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
A couple of peeves:
Was anyone else annoyed with the fact that they'd been at a medieval level of civilization for millenia?.
I think Tevinter was a lot more advanced. I get the impression that between the occasional blight and the constant threat form the Qunari, international trade has yet to recover from Tevinter times. To be fair, this was basically the situation in Europe for a thousand years, and not even the Huns were as bad as the Darkspawn.
Quote from: Grallon on January 12, 2010, 08:25:04 PM
My point was there were periods in our history where not much happened for long stretches.
No there weren't.
The common answer to that is: magic. You don't really need steam machines or gunpowder when you have magic.
Yeah, but then people start using magic like steam engines and the revolution happens anyway.
The D&D Eberron setting actually takes this to its logical conclusion, that magic replaces technology as the driving force of industrialization and transportation development. Most settings usually just ignore this though.
Quote from: Faeelin on January 12, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
A couple of peeves:
Was anyone else annoyed with the fact that they'd been at a medieval level of civilization for millenia?.
I don't know...my ancestors in 1600 AD didn't live that dramatically different from my ancestors in 600 BC. They still farmed by hand.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 13, 2010, 04:16:19 AM
Quote from: Grallon on January 12, 2010, 08:25:04 PM
My point was there were periods in our history where not much happened for long stretches.
No there weren't.
Oh lots happened...but not much changed in the way people lived their lives.
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2010, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on January 12, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
A couple of peeves:
Was anyone else annoyed with the fact that they'd been at a medieval level of civilization for millenia?.
I don't know...my ancestors in 1600 AD didn't live that dramatically different from my ancestors in 600 BC. They still farmed by hand.
Actually, they used an ox-drawn plow instead of one pulled by humans, and they used better farming techniques that resulted in more yield than back in 600 BC.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 13, 2010, 08:22:47 AM
The D&D Eberron setting actually takes this to its logical conclusion, that magic replaces technology as the driving force of industrialization and transportation development. Most settings usually just ignore this though.
If industrialization was so logical and natural and inevitable why did it only happen after 10,000 years of human civilization and then only get started in one country? You only think it is logical because now it is taken for granted that that is where human life was going but nobody at the time thought so...at least not at first.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 13, 2010, 11:03:50 AM
Actually, they used an ox-drawn plow instead of one pulled by humans, and they used better farming techniques that resulted in more yield than back in 600 BC.
Certainly there were improvements being made from place to place and having oxen and better plows hardly qualifies as a different level of civilization. A person from 600 BC would be like 'Oh right that's a plow and...oh you are using an animal to pull it that makes sense, now give me that scythe and lets get harvesting.'
Besides the implication in Dragon Age was that Ferelden had been a collection of Barbarian tribes only 400 years previously before being combined into a Kingdom. So the implication that everything has been absolutely static for millenia is not entirely accurate. However no the industrial revolution has not started and there is no magically powered high speed trains or anything...presuming that those things are a natural and inevitable developement in every civilized society.
Quote from: ulmont on January 13, 2010, 08:10:41 AM
Yeah, but then people start using magic like steam engines and the revolution happens anyway.
That seemed to be the premise of Lost Odyssey.
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2010, 11:09:45 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 13, 2010, 11:03:50 AM
Actually, they used an ox-drawn plow instead of one pulled by humans, and they used better farming techniques that resulted in more yield than back in 600 BC.
Certainly there were improvements being made from place to place and having oxen and better plows hardly qualifies as a different level of civilization. A person from 600 BC would be like 'Oh right that's a plow and...oh you are using an animal to pull it that makes sense, now give me that scythe and lets get harvesting.'
Besides the implication in Dragon Age was that Ferelden had been a collection of Barbarian tribes only 400 years previously before being combined into a Kingdom. So the implication that everything has been absolutely static for millenia is not entirely accurate. However no the industrial revolution has not started and there is no magically powered high speed trains or anything...presuming that those things are a natural and inevitable developement in every civilized society.
Oh, I don't remember what the civilization development was like in Dragon Age, if it was like you say then there's nothing strange about it. And magic has all sorts of stigma attached to it in Ferelden so it wouldn't be used on a large enough scale to trigger an industrial revolution. I was more speaking in the general sense that most fantasy settings ignore technological development past a certain point, starting from Middle Earth (which has been on the same tech level for millennia) and going to various D&D settings which despite the abundance of magic are still in Medieval Stasis (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MedievalStasis). Eberron is the only one that develops the concept of what widespread magic use would likely lead to. Obviously, there are reasons why Medieval Stasis is the normal option most writers and developers take.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 13, 2010, 11:27:40 AM
I was more speaking in the general sense that most fantasy settings ignore technological development past a certain point, starting from Middle Earth (which has been on the same tech level for millennia) and going to various D&D settings which despite the abundance of magic are still in Medieval Stasis (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MedievalStasis). Eberron is the only one that develops the concept of what widespread magic use would likely lead to. Obviously, there are reasons why Medieval Stasis is the normal option most writers and developers take.
Well there was something sorta stasis about Medieval culture. I mean the guild system was still holding on into the 19th century.
But I think the worst is Star Wars. I mean you have the Old Republic stuff that takes place thousands of years before the Darth Vader stuff and pretty much technology is not signicantly different...thousands of years in a highly technological space civilization and they have not come up one significant advance?
Wouldn't rapid development be insanely difficult for any kind of society dependent on magic though? You have a natural nobility capable of making heaps of mud in to ungoldy killing machines and controlling ravens and shit. Why would they suffer the common people's complaints or maintain an interest in their development? Development would only be possible if the technology was "adopted" from other quarters (like in Arcanum) or had become sufficently rare as to be effectively be extinct (Jonathan Strange).
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2010, 11:53:24 AM
Well there was something sorta stasis about Medieval culture. I mean the guild system was still holding on into the 19th century.
As a student of medieval history I disagree. ;) And just because something endures for a long time doesn't mean it's in stasis. Like we still read books after several millennia, yet the form of those books changed significantly over time.
Quote from: Queequeg on January 13, 2010, 12:03:12 PM
Wouldn't rapid development be insanely difficult for any kind of society dependent on magic though? You have a natural nobility capable of making heaps of mud in to ungoldy killing machines and controlling ravens and shit. Why would they suffer the common people's complaints or maintain an interest in their development? Development would only be possible if the technology was "adopted" from other quarters (like in Arcanum) or had become sufficently rare as to be effectively be extinct (Jonathan Strange).
This is actually another thing that usually gets ignored. I mean, you have all these powerful wizards, capable of destroying cities with a snap of their fingers, yet for some reason they are not ruling the world yet and instead submit themselves to some piddly sword-and-shield types.
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2010, 11:53:24 AM
But I think the worst is Star Wars. I mean you have the Old Republic stuff that takes place thousands of years before the Darth Vader stuff and pretty much technology is not signicantly different...thousands of years in a highly technological space civilization and they have not come up one significant advance?
Yes, it's bad. It seems that there is micro-evolution, but no macro stuff since they discovered they hyperspace lanes 20 000 years ago.
The ship's desing don't really change, but their engines get more efficient and faster than before, same with guns&all other weaponry.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 13, 2010, 01:22:51 PM
As a student of medieval history I disagree. ;) And just because something endures for a long time doesn't mean it's in stasis. Like we still read books after several millennia, yet the form of those books changed significantly over time.
I think Valmy and I are talking about something different than what you are refering to. We're talking about lifestyles that are more or less similar throughout long periods, even though there might be constant micro evolution in material conditions during said periods.
This is particularly obvious when you compare certain past (or even current) lifestyles with ours. Our modern societies are used to constant, visible changes; look only at communications for instance. I'm 42 and my grandomother remebered a time with no phone while I'm still alive to see the wireless micro phones.
But in agrarian or hunting/gathering societies change comes slowly. And tilling the soil or doing the rounds of herding grounds remains similar from one century to the next; whether the earth is tilled with an iron plow or a wooden one - or whether you ride bareback or use stirrups.
And of course, as other have said, in fantasy settings magic often trumps everything - and prevents further developments.
G.
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2010, 11:05:01 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 13, 2010, 08:22:47 AM
The D&D Eberron setting actually takes this to its logical conclusion, that magic replaces technology as the driving force of industrialization and transportation development. Most settings usually just ignore this though.
If industrialization was so logical and natural and inevitable why did it only happen after 10,000 years of human civilization and then only get started in one country? You only think it is logical because now it is taken for granted that that is where human life was going but nobody at the time thought so...at least not at first.
Are you asking rhetorically, or are you interested in learning about the subject? My answer depends accordingly.
Quote from: Queequeg on January 13, 2010, 12:19:13 AM
I think Tevinter was a lot more advanced. I get the impression that between the occasional blight and the constant threat form the Qunari, international trade has yet to recover from Tevinter times. To be fair, this was basically the situation in Europe for a thousand years, and not even the Huns were as bad as the Darkspawn.
Europe seemed to do pretty well between 526 and 1526, no?
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2010, 11:01:23 AM
Oh lots happened...but not much changed in the way people lived their lives.
Spectacles. Printing presses. New crops and foods, as diets expanded. Gunpowder. Moldboard plows. New techniques in mining. The rise of cities.
Quote from: Queequeg on January 13, 2010, 12:03:12 PM
Wouldn't rapid development be insanely difficult for any kind of society dependent on magic though? You have a natural nobility capable of making heaps of mud in to ungoldy killing machines and controlling ravens and shit. Why would they suffer the common people's complaints or maintain an interest in their development? Development would only be possible if the technology was "adopted" from other quarters (like in Arcanum) or had become sufficently rare as to be effectively be extinct (Jonathan Strange).
A few points. First, the natural nobility should use magic to improve their profits, no? Magic is usually portrayed in civlizations as rational, based on study and learning. If that's so, then there should be experimentation. Once you turn magic to, say, digging a deeper mine...
Secondly, even if the nobility are ignoring what those pesky merchants and farmers are up to, they'd sill improve things. If mages control all literacy and places of learning, and have a disdain for anything not magical, okay, it makes some sense. But how likely is that?
Quote from: Faeelin on January 13, 2010, 06:15:39 PM
Europe seemed to do pretty well between 526 and 1526, no?
It was in a very dramatic decline from about 400 to 800, stabilized, another dramatic decline with the Plague, and I don't think a level of civilization comparable to that of Rome was reached until the Renaissance. It was a long dip. Granted, it wasn't a *total* dip-there were some obvious technological advances, but to be fair, Mad Max's Australia had a technological advantage over Renaissance Florence, but I would call the latter more civilized.
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2010, 10:59:42 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on January 12, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
A couple of peeves:
Was anyone else annoyed with the fact that they'd been at a medieval level of civilization for millenia?.
I don't know...my ancestors in 1600 AD didn't live that dramatically different from my ancestors in 600 BC. They still farmed by hand.
:lol: Where were your ancestors? New Guinea?
Jesus, you guys make me look cool. :lmfao:
IT'S A STORY. THE WRITERS DON'T CARE IF IT HOLDS UP UNDER HISTORICAL ANALYSIS.
Quote from: Caliga on January 14, 2010, 12:07:51 PM
Jesus, you guys make me look cool. :lmfao:
IT'S A STORY. THE WRITERS DON'T CARE IF IT HOLDS UP UNDER HISTORICAL ANALYSIS.
Irony. It's not just the opposite of wrinkly.
Quote from: Grallon on January 13, 2010, 04:56:34 PM
I think Valmy and I are talking about something different than what you are refering to. We're talking about lifestyles that are more or less similar throughout long periods, even though there might be constant micro evolution in material conditions during said periods.
This is particularly obvious when you compare certain past (or even current) lifestyles with ours. Our modern societies are used to constant, visible changes; look only at communications for instance. I'm 42 and my grandomother remebered a time with no phone while I'm still alive to see the wireless micro phones.
But in agrarian or hunting/gathering societies change comes slowly. And tilling the soil or doing the rounds of herding grounds remains similar from one century to the next; whether the earth is tilled with an iron plow or a wooden one - or whether you ride bareback or use stirrups.
And of course, as other have said, in fantasy settings magic often trumps everything - and prevents further developments.
Yep. This is what I was getting at.
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2010, 11:58:00 AM
:lol: Where were your ancestors? New Guinea?
I guess I missed the tractors and combines in 1600 but your historical knowledge may be different...because if that is not what you are saying you missed my point completely.
Quote from: Caliga on January 14, 2010, 12:07:51 PM
Jesus, you guys make me look cool. :lmfao:
IT'S A STORY. THE WRITERS DON'T CARE IF IT HOLDS UP UNDER HISTORICAL ANALYSIS.
We will use any excuse to talk history :P
Quote from: Valmy on January 14, 2010, 03:26:24 PM
I guess I missed the tractors and combines in 1600 but your historical knowledge may be different...because if that is not what you are saying you missed my point completely.
You point was that your ancestors' "didn't live that dramatically different" from 600 BC to 1600 AD. That would not be true, unless they lived in a truly isolated region, because medicine alone (and thus child mortality) changed a great deal during that time period, as did clothing, let alone land ownership tendencies or farming technology that dramatically changed food availability (sometimes for the worse, to be sure) even in places like rural Russia or, FFS, Poland. Besides, your comment was referencing a
medieval lifestyle lasting millennia, which happened (to the best of my knowledge) nowhere.
I don't know why you mention tractors or combines, because they were not medieval.
If you were referencing, say, 3500BC to 1500 BC, I could buy not much change. But that wouldn't be medieval.
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2010, 05:09:00 PM
If you were referencing, say, 3500BC to 1500 BC, I could buy not much change. But that wouldn't be medieval.
This is possibly true but less is known about this period so it's harder to judge. The movement of different crops from their origin to and the methods of cultivating them difficult to figure out in those day.
Quote from: Queequeg on January 13, 2010, 07:35:41 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on January 13, 2010, 06:15:39 PM
Europe seemed to do pretty well between 526 and 1526, no?
It was in a very dramatic decline from about 400 to 800, stabilized, another dramatic decline with the Plague, and I don't think a level of civilization comparable to that of Rome was reached until the Renaissance. It was a long dip. Granted, it wasn't a *total* dip-there were some obvious technological advances, but to be fair, Mad Max's Australia had a technological advantage over Renaissance Florence, but I would call the latter more civilized.
You think Europe in 1100 was really less civilized than Augustan Rome? Latifundia, slavery of the Gauls, the sack of Carthage.... Doesn't look much more "civilized to me."
Meanwhile, compare the soaring Gothic cathedrals. The free cities; the Flemish wool trade. By 1200, Europe was unambiguously superior to Rome in pretty much every field.
And what do we find in Europe in 1100 or 1200 if not latifundia, slavery (by the way, I don't understand what you mean with 'slavery of the Gauls'), and sackings like Jerusalem's and Constantinople's... if by 'civilization' we understand 'ethics' there is little ground to recommend one over the other.
A Gothic cathedral is the pinnacle (pun intended) of medieval technological achievement, and indeed many fields saw dramatic progress (architecture, clock making, shipbuilding, agriculture... ) but there is a reason a system of roads comparable to the Roman one wasn't even dreamed of until the XVIII century... and probably not achieved until the XIX century.
I'm, in fact, against the notion of the Middle Ages as a uniform Dark Night of 1000 years that lasts until the Renaissance (actually I'm not a fan of the term 'Renaissance') and there were some bright spots (Flanders, North Italy, Southern Germany) but it's difficult to maintain seriously that the wool trade was comparable to the scale in which Romans traded, or the Free Cities more civilized than the Greek city colonies, for example. . It's very difficult to deny that the fall of the Roman Empire was an unmitigated disaster for Europe/the Mediterranean World, very probably the worst ever to fall on the region.
Quote from: Alatriste on January 15, 2010, 02:44:52 AM
...but there is a reason a system of roads comparable to the Roman one wasn't even dreamed of until the XVIII century... and probably not achieved until the XIX century.
So long as we all agree that this was because there was no need for such a road system (militaries became cavalry-based and so found roads of much less utility) I don't think anyone would dispute this.. but I don't think it says as much as you imply.
I am ambivalent on whether one would call the late Roman Empire more advanced than anything equivelent in Twelfth Century Europe, but my ambivalence has nothing to do with relative skills at road-building.
I partially agree, but I think the problem is more complex than that.
a) I don't think the Romans built their roads mainly for military reasons, but
b) Certainly European powers could have built such a road system during the XVI, XVII or XVIII centuries but they didn't.
I think that means the demand for road transport simply wasn't high enough to justify the expenses involved. And, while I'm not 100% sure, I think that was due to two reasons: during the true Dark Ages the collapse of trade, lower population levels, cavalry armies and weak central governments meant no roads were either needed or possible, and afterwards technological advances had made sea transport a cheaper, faster alternative, making a vast high-quality roads system an investment too expensive in relation to its limited potential benefits.
Quote from: Alatriste on January 19, 2010, 06:52:34 AM
a) I don't think the Romans built their roads mainly for military reasons, but
They pretty much did, in order to better exert influence over subject areas. Any trade benefits were a byproduct, the Romans themselves weren't too enamored with trading as an occupation.
Quote from: grumbler on January 18, 2010, 02:17:55 PM
I am ambivalent on whether one would call the late Roman Empire more advanced than anything equivelent in Twelfth Century Europe, but my ambivalence has nothing to do with relative skills at road-building.
Siege technology, a lot of engineering (bridges, in addition to roads), armor (no plate, compare with Roman-Sassanian cataphracts), weapons (Noric steel), massively more efficient agricultural system, much more urbanized, much higher literacy rates, much more impressive mining operations.
I don't think the Roman Empire really has a nice equivalent technologically with post-Dark Age Europe, but I think an argument can be made that Europe was not technologically totally to the level of Romans before the 17th Century.
Holy thread necromancy, Batman!
I'm in what must be my 4th attempt to get through this bloody game.
I like the setting and story are decent enough. The characters are cool.
At time of release (which was close to ME2) I thought the presentation, especially in dialogues, looked horribly dated - ME1&2 were much more immersive in that regard, not least thanks to the now standard "dialogue wheel" pioneered in ME1. My opinion on the presentation has softened with time.
I still find the combat a bit too grindy, even though I'm playing on easy now and it's obviously a breeze. Some maps are a bit overcrowded, enemy wise. I guess my point is that it's a bit padded IMHO. YMMV, of course, as the game's fanbase attests.
My original attempt was as a human noble. My next attempts were as Dalish elf and dwarven noble. I'm now playing a casteless female dwarf dual wield warrior, honorable, feisty, and a bit easy to tick off; not much interested in the Chantry or mages. My standard party is Leliana (for lockpicking), Alistair and Sten.
I'm about 18-20 hours in. I've done the DLC stuff (soldier's Peak, Ostagar, Stone Prisoner) to get it out of the way, been to Redcliffe, and just finished the Circle of Magi (FADE STILL SUCKS DONKEY BALLS!). I'm now back at Redcliffe.
Cautiously optimistic that I might actually make it through this time.
Quote from: Syt on November 25, 2014, 03:44:46 AM
FADE STILL SUCKS DONKEY BALLS!
Download this Skip the Fade mod and never think about it again.:contract: The Fade portion is something to do once, on your first playthrough and never again.
http://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/816/? (http://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/816/?)
Thanks. There's a good concept with deception in there, and it could have been better if it wasn't immediately visible if you're in the fade or not (and maybe have the exact situation semi-randomized for each play through to keep players on their toes), and if the combat/puzzle wasn't so tedious. The other fade excursions (Mage origin, the possessed kid, ...) are not that horrible, either.
Yeah those other times are no problem, it's just that the fade sequence in the Mage tower goes on and on and on. The mod is also good in that it grants you all of the stat boosts, exp and codex entries you would have gotten from playing through the whole thing.
Guys, I've just got this game.
Don't appreciate all the spoilers <_<
Well you have had like 5 years. :P
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2014, 04:48:26 PM
Well you have had like 5 years. :P
I was joking :blush:
Finished Orzamar (instead of going to Denerim next).
The city: very cool. The Dark Roads: an annoying slog (though the Broodmother bit is pleasantly creepy), and still doesn't feel as expansive as it should.
Finished the Brazilian Brecilian Forest. A nice subplot that doesn't overstay its welcome. If anything, it feels short compared to Orzammar or Redcliffe.
Finished the game at ca. the 50 hour mark. It's a very good yarn.
My main party was Alistair, Oghren (previously Sten) and Leliana (yup, no Mages except when forced - didn't feel like my dwarf would be fond of them). The final fight felt like a bit of a letdown after some other fights in the game. My dwarven commoner warrior girl fell in love with Alistair - well, that was not the best idea.
I played in general neutral towards Mages/Chantry (though choosing to kill all blood mages/not using blood magic), and more a rogueish good than a completely honorable goody two shoes. I feel I want at least two more run throughs to see different endings - a super-pious human warrior, and a snooty elf mage who hates the Circle and the Chantry.
I appreciate that the game has a decently long epilogue that ties up loose ends, allows you to say good bye to your companions, and then gives you the results of your decisions.
I've now started the Awakening expansion. And dammit, they stole one of my 3-rune swords. :mad:
RPS has a series where they recommend games old and new, called "Have you played ... ?"
Today: Have You Played... Dragon Age: Origins? (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/12/09/have-you-played-dragon-age-origins/)
As a matter of fact, I now have. Perfect timing. :lol:
QuoteHave You Played? is an endless stream of game recommendations. One a day, every day of the year, perhaps for all time.
Have you heard of it? Dragon Age: Origins was this little RPG put out by an indie studio in Canada called BioWare. Aha, my little joke. But it's a question well worth asking, as with the release of Inquisition I've spoken to lots of people who've never played the original, and would absolutely love it. Including my dad. Dad – play this for goodness sake.
Origins is a pretty unique project. Somehow BioWare were able to quietly be making it for – it's rumoured but unconfirmed – about about nine years. While the last couple of those were somewhat tainted by one of the worst, most ill-conceived advertising campaigns in gaming history, it meant an RPG was able to be created with extraordinary opportunity. And it was worth it. DAO has a depth behind it that lifts the whole experience. While the structure is a very typical BioWare format – do four big tasks then a big climactic task – along the way there's a huge sense of thousands of years of known history, alongside the wonderful relationships you have with your companions.
It's such a wonderful game, with so much to do, and so far to sink in. And in light of my enormous disappointment at learning that Inquisition doesn't have a proper tactical turn-based mode (no, it doesn't – it's a miserable, abortive mess of an effort to crowbar it in at the last minute), I'm sorely tempted to go back and replay five years on.
Quote from: Syt on December 08, 2014, 05:07:45 PM
Finished the game at ca. the 50 hour mark. It's a very good yarn.
My main party was Alistair, Oghren (previously Sten) and Leliana (yup, no Mages except when forced - didn't feel like my dwarf would be fond of them). The final fight felt like a bit of a letdown after some other fights in the game. My dwarven commoner warrior girl fell in love with Alistair - well, that was not the best idea.
I played in general neutral towards Mages/Chantry (though choosing to kill all blood mages/not using blood magic), and more a rogueish good than a completely honorable goody two shoes. I feel I want at least two more run throughs to see different endings - a super-pious human warrior, and a snooty elf mage who hates the Circle and the Chantry.
I appreciate that the game has a decently long epilogue that ties up loose ends, allows you to say good bye to your companions, and then gives you the results of your decisions.
I've now started the Awakening expansion. And dammit, they stole one of my 3-rune swords. :mad:
I remember my game concluded with my human noble ending up on the throne of Ferelden, married to the Queen, and keeping Zevran as my lover on the side (he was given an official position on the court to avoid "suspicion").
Mine was more mundane, with Alistair dead, me single and head of the Grey Wardens, and Anora ruling alone.
Quote from: Syt on December 08, 2014, 05:07:45 PM
Finished the game at ca. the 50 hour mark. It's a very good yarn.
at 50hrs, you missed half the quests, and half the dragons. Did you kill the one in Orzammar's throne room?
IIRC, in my first playthrough, I killed Loghain myself, in my second, I let him live and had Allistair marry Anora.
Quote from: viper37 on December 09, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Syt on December 08, 2014, 05:07:45 PM
Finished the game at ca. the 50 hour mark. It's a very good yarn.
at 50hrs, you missed half the quests, and half the dragons. Did you kill the one in Orzammar's throne room?
Oh, I know I missed a lot. I was primarily interested in seeing how it ends, after 5 years. I think I'm under 40% complete, but that's also because I haven't started any of the other Origins on my Steam copy.
I will finish Awakening next and then probably move on to DA2 (I know it has a weak reputation, but it appears that general opinion has softened a bit by now).
Well, fuck. If you complete Sera's quest before Cullen asks to meet with you and Cassandra, it cuts off Cullen's quests. WTF. Bug, apparently, but low on the fix list.
Quote from: Scipio on December 09, 2014, 03:45:59 PM
Well, fuck. If you complete Sera's quest before Cullen asks to meet with you and Cassandra, it cuts off Cullen's quests. WTF. Bug, apparently, but low on the fix list.
I presume this was for the Inquisition thread? :P
Yes.
Probably half way through DA: Awakening. Enjoying it, despite its dumping of a dozen or two quests on you at once.
I like the new characters, though I'm not happy with Oghren's regression from redeemed loser back to disgusting boozer. Doing the "Blight Orfans" quests because they're funny (and very obviously not from orphans).
Though nothing made me laugh more than how the kitten gift ("Ser Pounce-A-Lot") shows up in your inventory. Like it's looking out between your stack of stuff, confused and mewling. :lol:
You have inspired me to want to play DA:O again. Of course, as is now my affliction (:blush:), I'll be doing so with some mods. Found this which seems to have a nice set of popular ones.
http://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/1awc6t/so_you_want_to_mod_dragon_age/
I haven't played with much mods. I'm tempted to go back to it. Not sure I'll find the time though.
2/3 into the fight with the Mother, and the game decides to crash. THANKS BIOWARE
Well, the end was a bit anticlimactic, though it threw in a few neat concepts around the Darkspawn.
Golems of Angmarrak: meh. Adding two giant characters to your party that are constantly in the way DOES NOT HELP!
Quote from: Syt on December 13, 2014, 12:05:05 PM
Though nothing made me laugh more than how the kitten gift ("Ser Pounce-A-Lot") shows up in your inventory. Like it's looking out between your stack of stuff, confused and mewling. :lol:
Aw. :wub:
Finished Witch Hunt. Much better than Golems of Angmarrak, and the banter between Ariane and Finn was pretty amusing.
Basegame, Awakening, Golems and Witch Hunt now total at 70 hours for me.
Quote from: garbon on December 13, 2014, 06:47:26 PM
You have inspired me to want to play DA:O again. Of course, as is now my affliction (:blush:), I'll be doing so with some mods. Found this which seems to have a nice set of popular ones.
http://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/1awc6t/so_you_want_to_mod_dragon_age/
I've been continuing to move along (really want to play Awakening that I never played). I really just have Brecilian Forest and Orzammar left. I think my interest is going to flag though, as those are my least favorite parts. -_-
Also, bit weird using that equal gender thing, how easy it was to seduce Alistair. Of course, makes me annoyed that they ever code in gender restrictions as it would have been trivially easy to have Alistair actor read same lines with "man" inserted (or just edit to replace "woman" with "man") as there isn't anything in his romance dialogue that would prevent easily opening it up to both genders.
Orzammar, esp. the Deep Roads is just an overlong slog. Brecilian Forest I don't mind too much. It has a few decent ideas and a mild dilemma at the end, and it's not nearly as long as Deep Roads.
That's fair. [spoiler]I mostly just find the wandering in the woods part a bit dull / (as I always used to explore it first) hated how difficult it could sometimes be to kill off those tree creatures.[/spoiler]
I can see that, but I found the Deep Roads gave me more trouble (there were a few very hairy fights).
Quote from: garbon on January 12, 2015, 04:26:24 PM
Of course, makes me annoyed that they ever code in gender restrictions as it would have been trivially easy to have Alistair actor read same lines with "man" inserted (or just edit to replace "woman" with "man") as there isn't anything in his romance dialogue that would prevent easily opening it up to both genders.
Dragon Age 2 is for you then. All characters are bisexuals. So realistic...
Quote from: viper37 on January 13, 2015, 10:56:37 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 12, 2015, 04:26:24 PM
Of course, makes me annoyed that they ever code in gender restrictions as it would have been trivially easy to have Alistair actor read same lines with "man" inserted (or just edit to replace "woman" with "man") as there isn't anything in his romance dialogue that would prevent easily opening it up to both genders.
Dragon Age 2 is for you then. All characters are bisexuals. So realistic...
No Dragon Age 2 isn't for me. That one was mightily boring. Besides, it is really just about choice. If you don't actually choose to try and romance a character, you don't really get any sort of sexuality vibe off of them.
Also, who wants reality when playing a fantasy video game? :D
Quote from: garbon on January 13, 2015, 11:08:12 AM
No Dragon Age 2 isn't for me. That one was mightily boring. Besides, it is really just about choice. If you don't actually choose to try and romance a character, you don't really get any sort of sexuality vibe off of them.
Yes, it is true. But it breaks from game immersion imho, and makes the characters less believable and it effictively removes any difference between playing a female or male character. Playing a female in DA:O gave me different dialogues, different perceptions from NPCs. In DA2, I got the exact same dialogue, the exact same reactions from everyone.
Quote
Also, who wants reality when playing a fantasy video game? :D
same people expecting plausability in all form of entertainment? :)
We know from the lore that not everyone in Thedas is 100% bisexual.
In DA:O, Leliana is much harder to convince of the benefit of romance if you're playing a female. Zevran is open to both, Allistair is straight, the Qunari judges you worthless.
I think it's realistic in the way the world was built, with all kinds of different people.
It's just silly that you happen to stumble on the 5-6 people in the entire world who are bisexual. ;)
Quote from: viper37 on January 13, 2015, 02:16:57 PM
Yes, it is true. But it breaks from game immersion imho, and makes the characters less believable and it effictively removes any difference between playing a female or male character. Playing a female in DA:O gave me different dialogues, different perceptions from NPCs. In DA2, I got the exact same dialogue, the exact same reactions from everyone.
You can still have those - if romance options were opened up. I wasn't saying that gender references should be removed.
Quote from: viper37 on January 13, 2015, 02:16:57 PM
same people expecting plausability in all form of entertainment? :)
We know from the lore that not everyone in Thedas is 100% bisexual.
In DA:O, Leliana is much harder to convince of the benefit of romance if you're playing a female. Zevran is open to both, Allistair is straight, the Qunari judges you worthless.
I think it's realistic in the way the world was built, with all kinds of different people.
It's just silly that you happen to stumble on the 5-6 people in the entire world who are bisexual. ;)
So being a dueling mage who fights dragons is more plausible than say being able to pick who in a game you want to have a romance with? :wacko:
Also, I think you are missing my point. Unless you choose to start a romance plot, there isn't really that much dialogue that reveals the sexuality of the NPCs. If you want Alistair to be straight, one could just choose not to initiate a romance plot with him. I was not a fan that in the first one the only gay option was Zevran. I avoided a romance plot when given that option.
Similarly, I don't think anything was taken away from the character of Kaiden Alenko by letting him have a male or female romance plot in the later iteration of Mass Effect.
Quote from: garbon on January 13, 2015, 02:27:43 PM
You can still have those - if romance options were opened up. I wasn't saying that gender references should be removed.
The lack of gay/bi character is another issue. I've never felt bothered by it, obviously :P
Between adding a couple more options for LGBT and having everyone bisexual, there's a world of difference.
I will certainly not pretend to be an expert in LGBT relationships, but I kinda think that things evolve differently than a purely straight relationship. A bi character might approach women differently than men. in DA:O, a female romance with Lelianna is much harder to initiate than a male romance (or was it the opposite? hmm.)
A gay character would react differently to attractive males (and your character is reputed attractive, no matter how ugly you customize it), even in non romanced situations than he would to a women.
In DA2, everything is the same. Only the pronouns change.
In DA:O, you got extra dialogues with Sten if you were a woman. He just couldn't believe there was such a thing as female warrior. DA2 missed that with that whole everyone-is-bisexual approach.
And in DA:I, you got a good mix of relationships, I think. Iron Bull is a bisexual male with preferences toward women, Dorian is gay, Josephine is bisexual, Sera is lesbian, Solas only likes elven women, and the others are straight.
This is still a game, mind you, and the romances are just an extra, they ain't the goal of the game. Still, given the lore, I expect some kind of realism. Magic & dragons exists in the game, yet, not everyone is a mage that can shapeshift into a dragon. :)
Finally finished slogging through DA:O and now into Awakening! :)
Quote from: viper37 on January 15, 2015, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 13, 2015, 02:27:43 PM
You can still have those - if romance options were opened up. I wasn't saying that gender references should be removed.
The lack of gay/bi character is another issue. I've never felt bothered by it, obviously :P
Between adding a couple more options for LGBT and having everyone bisexual, there's a world of difference.
I will certainly not pretend to be an expert in LGBT relationships, but I kinda think that things evolve differently than a purely straight relationship. A bi character might approach women differently than men. in DA:O, a female romance with Lelianna is much harder to initiate than a male romance (or was it the opposite? hmm.)
A gay character would react differently to attractive males (and your character is reputed attractive, no matter how ugly you customize it), even in non romanced situations than he would to a women.
In DA2, everything is the same. Only the pronouns change.
In DA:O, you got extra dialogues with Sten if you were a woman. He just couldn't believe there was such a thing as female warrior. DA2 missed that with that whole everyone-is-bisexual approach.
And in DA:I, you got a good mix of relationships, I think. Iron Bull is a bisexual male with preferences toward women, Dorian is gay, Josephine is bisexual, Sera is lesbian, Solas only likes elven women, and the others are straight.
This is still a game, mind you, and the romances are just an extra, they ain't the goal of the game. Still, given the lore, I expect some kind of realism. Magic & dragons exists in the game, yet, not everyone is a mage that can shapeshift into a dragon. :)
IIRC, Cullen only likes Human women. Blackwall goes for all the ladies.
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Cullen_Rutherford
Human or elves for Cullen :)