Given that we in ordinary Languish style have no clear direction, with a multitude of irreverent and generally lazy chiefs but no indians, I'm gonna go ahead and attempt to forge some unit cohesion.
Starting Time: Sundays, 1600 GMT, 1100 EST, 1700 CET
Hosting
FunkMonk and/or Tamas will attempt hosting.
- A console opens at loading, it is vital that no one attempts typing anything in it since it seems to cause various OOS issues.
- No one may pick a nation until everyone is completely loaded, as it seems to be causing issues aswell. The general rule is that the host selects first and everyone else selects afterwards.
- When the game is started/unpaused, it must be run at slowest speed for a few minutes in order for everyone to catch up to avoid OOS issues.
- (Not rightly sure about this one, but the guys over at EUMP think it should be mandatory) The map cache folder should be cleared before every session (IE once before start, not at every restart) which supposedly also helps keep OOS to a minimum.
- When rehosting, the game should be quit completely (ALT-F4) and restarted in order to get the same checksum for everyone. Again, OOS.
- Fleets MUST be kept under 150 units. OOS + lag seems to be the effect of too large fleets. Keeping several fleets in the same seazone doesn't appear to be a problem, it's just an issue of too many ships in one fleet.
Game rules
Not sure what we need here, as I assume everyone is a mature adult and can be trusted not to behave like a fucking douche. (Yeah. :lmfao: )
- Solmyr raised the issue of spymission Fund Patriots which is a major exploit with the current version. Should thus not be used actively. Though this is clearly one of the instances where we simply have to trust everyone not to use it as I don't think it's going to be very practical to attempt detecting it.
to be continued...
Clearing the Map Cache
1. Delete EU3/map/cache folder.
2. Start EU3 and let it generate a new cache. (This can take anywhere up to 20-30 minutes depending on your computer so don't plan on doing it 5 minutes before session start.)
3. Exit the game and restart it.
Note that anyone who plays the game between sessions using some kind of mod should as a precautionary method do this every time before the session, but for the rest of us it should be enough to do it once.
Checksum should be EISH after restart.
Hamachi
https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi2/ (https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi2/)
Networkid: languish-mp
Password: eu3
Current Roster
Kleves - England
Tamas - France
Habbaku - Castile
Slargos - Ottomans
Alcibiades - Muscovy or Novgorod (his choice)
FunkMonk - Portugal
Solmyr - Austria
Migs - Poland
AAR thread?
Session Summaries?
Quick recap of players:
Kleves - England
Tamas - France
Habbaku - Castile
Slargos - Ottomans
Alcibiades - Muscovy or Novgorod (his choice)
FunkMonk - Portugal
Solmyr - Austria
Pat - Poland
How do you clear the map cache? HMB told me it was probably the cause of my inability to colonize despite the formation of the HRE granting me cores.
Delete EU3\map\cache folder.
It may not be necessary to do it every time, but everyone should definitely do it once after install.
Anyone playing the game between sessions using any mods should also do it pre-session every time.
FYI...after you clear your map cache, you have to start EU3, let it regenerate the map cache, then exit and restart to get the correct checksum.
Updated, thanks.
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 07:14:44 AM
2. Start EU3 and let it generate a new cache. (This can take anywhere up to 20-30 minutes depending on your computer so don't plan on doing it 5 minutes before session start.)
My 2 years old PC did it in about 20 seconds. :huh:
Anyway, my checksum is now: EISH
Quote from: Solmyr on January 03, 2010, 09:06:52 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 07:14:44 AM
2. Start EU3 and let it generate a new cache. (This can take anywhere up to 20-30 minutes depending on your computer so don't plan on doing it 5 minutes before session start.)
My 2 years old PC did it in about 20 seconds. :huh:
Anyway, my checksum is now: EISH
That's really weird.
I remember doing it a few months ago, I think it was, and I had to sit for upwards of 30 minutes waiting for the recalibrations.
Maybe it was a fluke.
At any rate, I have prepared my router so I should be able to host if push comes to shove.
Here's hoping for a relatively smooth start. :sleep:
I am here. For the record, yesterday I managed to try and plug the power cord of the router into the reset button which of course reset my router settings to default, so whatever port forwardings I might had for EU3 are now gone. I do have Hamachi already installed in case the host will have problems.
I am Dansky on Steam.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 03, 2010, 08:09:55 AM
Delete EU3\map\cache folder.
Delete the entire folder or just the contents of the folder?
Doesn't matter, it'll get recreated I think.
Ok we will be using Hamachi, FunkMonk will be hosting. Find us on Steam chat.
Right. It's closing on game time. I'll log on to the metaserver. Hopefully some of you will eventually be there. :D
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 10:53:01 AM
Right. It's closing on game time. I'll log on to the metaserver. Hopefully some of you will eventually be there. :D
Do read what I post, dude :rolleyes: fuck the metaserver
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2010, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 03, 2010, 10:48:30 AM
Doesn't matter, it'll get recreated I think.
:hmm:
It WILL get recreated, now get the hell out of our thread, okthxbye :P
Quote from: Tamas on January 03, 2010, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 10:53:01 AM
Right. It's closing on game time. I'll log on to the metaserver. Hopefully some of you will eventually be there. :D
Do read what I post, dude :rolleyes: fuck the metaserver
Are you positive that is the superior option?
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 11:05:16 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 03, 2010, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 10:53:01 AM
Right. It's closing on game time. I'll log on to the metaserver. Hopefully some of you will eventually be there. :D
Do read what I post, dude :rolleyes: fuck the metaserver
Are you positive that is the superior option?
yes. after joining Funk's hamachi network, select join internet game in EU3, and use the IP of Funk's network. It will work. And accept me on Steam FFS
It thought it was 12 est. :lol:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 11:46:30 AM
Guys aren't in the meta-server so I'm going to assume you have already started. Probably gonna resign then, the first couple years for muscowy are ridiculously important.
:face:
Nope we were waiting on kleves, we are using hamachi
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 11:47:07 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 11:46:30 AM
Guys aren't in the meta-server so I'm going to assume you have already started. Probably gonna resign then, the first couple years for muscowy are ridiculously important.
:face:
Nope we were waiting on kleves, we are using hamachi
Still waiting?
We haven't started yet.
Get hamachi and come on in.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 11:47:07 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 11:46:30 AM
Guys aren't in the meta-server so I'm going to assume you have already started. Probably gonna resign then, the first couple years for muscowy are ridiculously important.
:face:
Nope we were waiting on kleves, we are using hamachi
Still waiting?
He just finished the update, so you have time :P
I have hamachi installed, but I have no clue what I'm doing with it.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 11:49:45 AM
I have hamachi installed, but I have no clue what I'm doing with it.
Join an Existing Network, network name to join is: languish-mp
Pass is eu3
From there, open up EU3 using steam and join internet game using my Hamachi IP. I'm hosting.
Can't add people to chat since I haven't bought any games through steam, should i still load the game in steam?
I am a noob lagger so I had to drop from the game because my connection is ca. 1994.
Portugal is... no more. :cry:
Habbu, please don't hurt me :cry:
The Habsburg monarchy is off to a slow but sure start. A short punitive war against the heretics of Brabant yielded the provinces of Breda and Limburg and the fealty of Luxemburg and Trier for the Habsburgs. Although Albrecht IV died, his young heir Albrecht V managed to get an election as Holy Roman Emperor after the death of Philippe II of Burgundy. Now the Habsburgs are eyeing warily the mighty Burgundy as well as the growing power of Milan in Italy. Although Albrecht IV had good relations with the Holy See, the new Pope, Martinus V, proved to be an expansionistic aggressor, and Emperor Albrecht V took it upon himself to put this turbulent priest in his place. The Habsburg armies invaded the Romagna, besieging Ravenna and Ancona.
The World in 1414 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Solmyr/EU3_MAP_mp_1414618_2.png)
Do you guys think there is anyway I could play over a good wireless connection? Or would I pull a FunkMonk if I tried that?
Quote from: Kleves on January 03, 2010, 03:24:22 PM
Do you guys think there is anyway I could play over a good wireless connection? Or would I pull a FunkMonk if I tried that?
I'd think it would work, i mean i'm on a wireless connection :p
Thanks for the pic Sol, you guys figure out what nations i could/should take so i can practice run them this week :P
Well, taking Holland will likely get you into a HRE clusterfuck with me, although otherwise it's a fine choice. Same with Milan, and Denmark if you start expanding into HRE. Sweden might work. Or Ming. :P
And I'm on wireless too so it's fine.
Quote from: Kleves on January 03, 2010, 03:24:22 PM
Do you guys think there is anyway I could play over a good wireless connection?
Yeah, I played over a good wireless connection for a full game.
Looks like we need a Portugal, Kat. I'm in a nasty war with Novgorod and the Golden Horde. I can beat either, but I'm really having a hard time taking them both on at the same time....
Ottoman expansion into the Crimea is worrisome....
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM
Looks like we need a Portugal, Kat. I'm in a nasty war with Novgorod and the Golden Horde. I can beat either, but I'm really having a hard time taking them both on at the same time....
Ottoman expansion into the Crimea is worrisome....
Just waiting to see if Funk is able to upgrade his connection :P
Is there a save file of current game, would like to take a look at situation of possible countries (Poland, Holland, Milan, denmark) if funk figures out his stuff and stays on as Portugal.
For my part, I would suggest Poland over Portugal since Germany, Scandinavia and Poland will be pretty empty without at least one player in there.
Whichever nation gets picked, I'm going to go ahead and make an executive decision to look a bit closer at it and make a few tweaks, as he missed the first session which is pretty important for setting the tone for the game, especially considering the leaps for area control most players have made already. (Or well, should have made, in those instances that you haven't. I was busy with more or less constant warfare against several fronts so I had precious little time to look around and see what was happening elsewhere. :P )
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM
Looks like we need a Portugal, Kat. I'm in a nasty war with Novgorod and the Golden Horde. I can beat either, but I'm really having a hard time taking them both on at the same time....
Ottoman expansion into the Crimea is worrisome....
The only reason for the Ottoman Principality to expand into Chrimea is to present a second front against the invading Mongol hordes and the Sultan is left bewildered and confused when the Czar presents the same as a threat to anyone but the rabid hordes.
Infact, the Principality has incurred massive debts of bad will in order to surge through Georgia and Moldavia for the purpose of providing relief for the beleaguered Muscovian troops. But as they say, no good deed goes entirely unpunished.
History will surely redeem us, though we may be villified in the present.
Great session, guys, btw.
I had forgotten how much fun EU MP can be, and I really hope we can keep this game rolling at least for a few months.
I'm making an AAR thread specifically for the AARs, so please keep any commentary in this thread.
I attempted to change the formatting on the text of my AAR so that it wouldn't all be centered, but it refused to take so I am going to call it intentional and leave it that way.
lolz Can I be: Iroquois Empire?
Looks like it could be a fun game to watch. Keep it going guys.
So is Tamas the one to harass for save game file? :P
I made a save aswell, and I'm sure someone here will know whether it's like EU2 where you have to use the host save, or if any will do.
Glad to hear things went off decently enough, guys. I see that I also left Castile in capable hands. Thanks, Katmai. :)
Quote from: Habbaku on January 03, 2010, 07:42:45 PM
Glad to hear things went off decently enough, guys. I see that I also left Castile in capable hands. Thanks, Katmai. :)
Katmai has the save in a moment, if you wish to take a closer look at the mess he left for you in Metropolis.
Me, I'm signing off.
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 07:51:21 PM
Katmai has the save in a moment, if you wish to take a closer look at the mess he left for you in Metropolis.
You mean how he's subjugated all of the islands in the Western Med., taken a good chunk of Aragon, annexed Navarra and grabbed a North Africa foothold while cementing an alliance with the English and the French?
I wonder what a catastrophe under Katmai would be like if that's a mess.
Aw shucks gonna make me :blush:
Well looking at the possible countries seems a tossup between Milan, Holland or Poland, and since you guys didn't get to pick what country you took, we should figure a randomize way to assign me one :P
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 06:13:14 PM
I'm making an AAR thread specifically for the AARs, so please keep any commentary in this thread.
Is commentary on the AAR allowed or do you want to keep it to players only?
Quote from: sbr on January 03, 2010, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 06:13:14 PM
I'm making an AAR thread specifically for the AARs, so please keep any commentary in this thread.
Is commentary on the AAR allowed or do you want to keep it to players only?
I think commentary is wholly welcome, even if it isn't.
As for Katmai's country, I'd prefer him taking either Poland or Milan, myself, especially given Milan's relative position in Northern Italy.
An Italy could be interesting, only tried one once in Mp, but it was interesting. I think he should be able to choose though, we're already past the first session.
Let me get this right A.I. Burgundy fought PC England and PC France to a standstill? WTF?
Quote from: Viking on January 03, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
Let me get this right A.I. Burgundy fought PC England and PC France to a standstill? WTF?
It's what happens when you put two incompetents in charge. :D
Well Tamas was in a war with Aragon and Portugal as well as Burgundy. As for kleves excuse...maybe he was too focused on Scotland? :P
Quote from: Habbaku on January 03, 2010, 10:55:01 PM
It's what happens when you put two incompetents in charge. :D
That invective is not really fair - katmai tried his best, and you weren't even there. :P
Quote from: Habbaku on January 03, 2010, 08:49:04 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 03, 2010, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 06:13:14 PM
I'm making an AAR thread specifically for the AARs, so please keep any commentary in this thread.
Is commentary on the AAR allowed or do you want to keep it to players only?
I think commentary is wholly welcome, even if it isn't.
As for Katmai's country, I'd prefer him taking either Poland or Milan, myself, especially given Milan's relative position in Northern Italy.
Milan is in strong position with all those universities in Northern Italy.
Quote from: sbr on January 03, 2010, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 06:13:14 PM
I'm making an AAR thread specifically for the AARs, so please keep any commentary in this thread.
Is commentary on the AAR allowed or do you want to keep it to players only?
Fire away.
Yeah, after reading Kleves' account of events, I'm going to go ahead and laugh at you guys. :D
How about: Katmai gets to choose instead of randomizing between those 3 countries, and in exchange Slargos does not mess with the save file?
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2010, 02:27:35 AM
How about: Katmai gets to choose instead of randomizing between those 3 countries, and in exchange Slargos does not mess with the save file?
I don't think that changes anything. He's missed an entire session and so it would not be unreasonable to at the very least wipe inflation and add some gold. That kind of edits.
But of course, if Katmai himself is fine with just giving it a whack nevermind any editing, then it's none of my business.
Hmmm, after browsing the save file, seems like a tossup between Milan and Holland as to which seems more attractive.
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 03:14:10 AM
Hmmm, after browsing the save file, seems like a tossup between Milan and Holland as to which seems more attractive.
Italy probably has more potential for action, while Holland will more or less be at the mercy of France and Austria. Once the german steamroller picks up speed, woe betides its neighbours. Not to mention the Russian, given all the manoeuvring space in the north. But we'll burn that heretic preacher on the cross when we get to it.
Of course, a Holland that is allowed to drive into northern Germany and pick up some german culture could be a nice counter weight to the relatively free space France, Austria and England are enjoying up there.
Ottoman forces are available for hire at a relatively low cost. :sleep:
Both Holland and Milan are bound to come into conflict with the HRE if they expand too much. :P Especially as one of the Austrian missions is to take over Lombardy. Though of course the Habsburgs are open to some kind of arrangement that ensures their Imperial interests are preserved.
Tamas, can you post the save file here so I can take a look at it?
Quote from: Solmyr on January 04, 2010, 05:27:54 AM
Tamas, can you post the save file here so I can take a look at it?
Sure, when I get home
Quote from: Habbaku on January 03, 2010, 10:55:01 PM
Quote from: Viking on January 03, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
Let me get this right A.I. Burgundy fought PC England and PC France to a standstill? WTF?
It's what happens when you put two incompetents in charge. :D
I faced overwhelming odds and walked away with one province more than I started :P
Kleves, wtf? Why did you help Tamas? If the Burgundians had him on the run, it was time for you to strike and cripple your main competitor right off the bat.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 06:13:45 AM
Kleves, wtf? Why did you help Tamas? If the Burgundians had him on the run, it was time for you to strike and cripple your main competitor right off the bat.
Bah, he has had much more lucrative provinces to grab from Burgundy.
Quote from: Viking on January 03, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
Let me get this right A.I. Burgundy fought PC England and PC France to a standstill? WTF?
Burgundy also happened to be HRE at the time, which allowed it to build megastacks.
Those aars are awfully picture-less! We want pics!
Point.
I will try to get some screenies next session.
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2010, 07:19:49 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 06:13:45 AM
Kleves, wtf? Why did you help Tamas? If the Burgundians had him on the run, it was time for you to strike and cripple your main competitor right off the bat.
Bah, he has had much more lucrative provinces to grab from Burgundy.
They can be taken later. It's unlikely there will be another opportunity as good as that one to take out France.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2010, 07:19:49 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 06:13:45 AM
Kleves, wtf? Why did you help Tamas? If the Burgundians had him on the run, it was time for you to strike and cripple your main competitor right off the bat.
Bah, he has had much more lucrative provinces to grab from Burgundy.
They can be taken later. It's unlikely there will be another opportunity as good as that one to take out France.
Reducing france in the first session would essentially break the game apart, though.
I've never been a big fan of that kind of powergaming.
Ottomans can easily for instance drive into Siberia and cripple Russia while a less incompetent France can reduce Spain by fucking up the wars against Aragon. It just makes the game a clusterfuck.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 06:13:45 AM
Kleves, wtf? Why did you help Tamas? If the Burgundians had him on the run, it was time for you to strike and cripple your main competitor right off the bat.
That is true, and maybe I should have done that. I did not, however, want to get bogged down in endless wars with a vengeful France over Normandy. Especially because such an action would likely unite Spain with France as my enemies. Helping Tamas offered me the chance to settle Calais and Picardy, build up some goodwill with my neighbors, and get a fews licks in on the Scots in the process. At least, such was my thinking.
Saved game is too big even rarred, pm me your e-mails if you want it
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2010, 04:23:39 PM
Saved game is too big even rarred, pm me your e-mails if you want it
Do we still have to use the host save?
At any rate, you can upload the rared save to a thread in the paradox MP forum and link to it.
End of session save http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21126&d=1262646258
Note that this is not Tamas' save so I'm not sure we can use it next session, but it should fullfill all your peeking needs.
Freaky. My mediaplayer just picked up Katmai's computer through the Hamachi network. Seems it stays resident even though it's turned off.
That makes me slightly uncomfortable, I'll admit. :D
Quote from: Slargos on January 04, 2010, 06:24:16 PM
Freaky. My mediaplayer just picked up Katmai's computer through the Hamachi network. Seems it stays resident even though it's turned off.
That makes me slightly uncomfortable, I'll admit. :D
Even freakier as my hamachi isn't running :o
HEAR YE HEAR YE
Italy will be guaranteed by the full might of the Sublime Porte next session, and any invasion of Italy by any non-italians will incur the wrath and terrible vengeance of the Army of Crazed Serbian Janissaries.
Also, for every province taken, the Sublime Porte will reciprocate by pilfering one for himself.
I'll be fucked if I'm going to let you assholes feast on those universities without consequence.
Think you can outsmart ME?
FUCK YOU.
That sounds wonderful, even more so since I think i want to try Milan out :P
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 06:44:02 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 04, 2010, 06:24:16 PM
Freaky. My mediaplayer just picked up Katmai's computer through the Hamachi network. Seems it stays resident even though it's turned off.
That makes me slightly uncomfortable, I'll admit. :D
Even freakier as my hamachi isn't running :o
That's the point. It's still running as a resident service, and doesn't need the application open to be connected to the VPN. You need to manually disconnect from the VPN before you close the client or everyone who's on the same VPN can connect to your computer.
Even disconnected, the hamachi IP is listed in my network connections. Though I shouldn't think that would matter. This is all above my pay grade.
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 06:46:33 PM
That sounds wonderful, even more so since I think i want to try Milan out :P
Once you're decided I will retract my threat and keep my fingers crossed no one saw it. :P
Quote from: Slargos on January 04, 2010, 06:48:21 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 06:46:33 PM
That sounds wonderful, even more so since I think i want to try Milan out :P
Once you're decided I will retract my threat and keep my fingers crossed no one saw it. :P
It's the dilemma of money vs manpower, but if i can keep from screwing up and make Italy or so then it should be profitable and have decent manpower i'd reckon.
But both Milan and Holland seem like intriguing choices.
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 06:51:39 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 04, 2010, 06:48:21 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 06:46:33 PM
That sounds wonderful, even more so since I think i want to try Milan out :P
Once you're decided I will retract my threat and keep my fingers crossed no one saw it. :P
It's the dilemma of money vs manpower, but if i can keep from screwing up and make Italy or so then it should be profitable and have decent manpower i'd reckon.
But both Milan and Holland seem like intriguing choices.
Short term, Milan is probably the better choice as none of your neighbours are really ready to form credible threats against you, and the universities really speed up your research. If you work quickly you should be able to annex most if Italy before France and Austria consolidate enough to stop you. Once Italy is yours, however, you're going to be pretty boxed in and expansion will be pretty much colonial only, unless you make a deal with someone to support you in crossing the Mediterranean and striking into western and central africa. :secret:
Long term, Holland has a wide open venue of expansion to the east, which could produce some very interesting results if you can either make a deal with Austria to avoid the entire HRE coming down on you, or ally with France in order to secure the manpower to actually repel them. Not that France is in any condition to provide said support right now. :D
Both alternatives certainly have their merits.
Italy and NA question: Roman Empire must be rebuilt! :P
Yeah I'll make up my mind tonight so I and fellow players can start making plans to have diplomacy/kick the shit out of me. :D
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 07:01:09 PM
Italy and NA question: Roman Empire must be rebuilt! :P
If you can live with leaving Macedonia, Thracia, Egypt and Asia to the benign rule of Decimus Maximus Slaergustinus, I can throw all my considerable weight behind this noble pursuit. :D
Provided Italy is willing to work out a deal over future expansion, Espana is willing to consider reasonable expansion into Tripoli and Tunisia, with a reminder that it will likely be simpler to stretch into the Balkans than elsewhere.
Then again, if Milan is serious enough, they can get some decent colonies overseas, too.
Quote from: Slargos on January 04, 2010, 09:57:51 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2010, 07:19:49 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 06:13:45 AM
Kleves, wtf? Why did you help Tamas? If the Burgundians had him on the run, it was time for you to strike and cripple your main competitor right off the bat.
Bah, he has had much more lucrative provinces to grab from Burgundy.
They can be taken later. It's unlikely there will be another opportunity as good as that one to take out France.
Reducing france in the first session would essentially break the game apart, though.
I've never been a big fan of that kind of powergaming.
Ottomans can easily for instance drive into Siberia and cripple Russia while a less incompetent France can reduce Spain by fucking up the wars against Aragon. It just makes the game a clusterfuck.
What's wrong with a clusterfuck? You don't think the Lancasters would have taken advantage of France getting beaten to a pulp by the Burgundians? That at least is historically plausible, unlike Ottomans in Siberia.
:lol: Tim questioned the ability of Languishtas to engage in diplomacy at the outset of this and is now encouraging us not to do so.
I've played the Dutch before, so I think I'm gonna try Milan and see how i can do if that's okay with folks.
QuoteSpain requests that you become their vassal.
Spain requests that you become their vassal.
Spain requests that you become their vassal.
Spain requests that you become their vassal.
Spain requests that you become their vassal.
Spain has declared war on you.
I vassal to no one...alliance is a different matter.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 05, 2010, 12:44:23 AM
:lol: Tim questioned the ability of Languishtas to engage in diplomacy at the outset of this and is now encouraging us not to do so.
I have been proven wrong and been gravely disappointed. -_-
I've been discussing nation collapse over at Paradox. In my present game I just watched France collapse with 30% revolt risks. It started with a small war, which got bigger, which ended up with lots of battles, which created lots of WE which reduced France's War Capacity which meant that other countries jumped on the bandwagon which meant more battles which meant more WE which meant less WC which in time resulted in revolts. Those revolts combined with an end to France's Manpower led to the collapse in a heap of 30+% revolt risks. A.I. too stupid to not convert during a war.
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This happens alot with the A.I. does it happen with MP?
Quote from: Viking on January 05, 2010, 01:57:31 AM
A.I. too stupid to not convert during a war.
Why would it want to convert in the middle of a war? Won't the stab hit just cause more problems?
Viking, it can happen, that is why I did give up against the über Emperor Burgundy eventually.
As for mexican Italy: I welcome my new neighbor, I am open for friendly relations assuming that he will be able to be a rightous ruler of his university-rich people and they stay content with his rule.
Regarding colonial ambitions from Italy: do keep naval supply range in mind, unless you conquer one of the islands from the spaniards, it will be a very late game thing for you.
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 01:27:34 AM
I vassal to no one...alliance is a different matter.
As long as you recognize Imperial prerogatives in Italy, we should have no trouble. If the Visconti actually want to expand beyond just traditional Milanese lands, then the Habsburgs will need some kind of concessions to allow it.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 05, 2010, 12:40:26 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 04, 2010, 09:57:51 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 04, 2010, 07:19:49 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 04, 2010, 06:13:45 AM
Kleves, wtf? Why did you help Tamas? If the Burgundians had him on the run, it was time for you to strike and cripple your main competitor right off the bat.
Bah, he has had much more lucrative provinces to grab from Burgundy.
They can be taken later. It's unlikely there will be another opportunity as good as that one to take out France.
Reducing france in the first session would essentially break the game apart, though.
I've never been a big fan of that kind of powergaming.
Ottomans can easily for instance drive into Siberia and cripple Russia while a less incompetent France can reduce Spain by fucking up the wars against Aragon. It just makes the game a clusterfuck.
What's wrong with a clusterfuck? You don't think the Lancasters would have taken advantage of France getting beaten to a pulp by the Burgundians? That at least is historically plausible, unlike Ottomans in Siberia.
What's wrong with a clusterfuck is that no one wants to play it.
What's the point of making a move that effectively gives you a free pass to pole position for the rest of the campaign?
I once managed to break an EU2 game by, IIRC, playing France first session and completely fucking up Spain and mainly Austria to the point where no one could effectively touch me even had they all tried at once. Guess what, there was no second session of that game.
So for this weekends sessions, we are all able to make it yes? and I guess makes sense to stick with Tamas hosting unless someone else can do a better job.
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 06:50:32 AM
unless someone else can do a better job.
Impossible :P
and yes I am game
Quote from: Tamas on January 08, 2010, 06:51:59 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 06:50:32 AM
unless someone else can do a better job.
Impossible :P
and yes I am game
I mean it ran great for me, only complaint was sometimes it was too fast at lvl 3 speed when in a war :P
I'm fine with playing at 2 actually, maybe it's because I'm getting old and slow, but 3 seems to be too fast for me.
Of course, I was more or less constantly at war, but still. In addition, the faster we go the more likely we are to see lag and sync problems so if everyone ran ok with 2...
In other news, it appears there are conflicting claims on whether the tab bug is fixed in the beta patch, and I guess we'll simply have to go ahead and try it.
I still think using steam is a good idea since it's also a good way to communicate pre-game and during eventual crashes etc.
3 was good for me, but that's because Austria doesn't have a lot to do right away. :P
I'll be there, though when are we starting exactly? Do we want to try to start a little earlier, if possible?
I'm not sure what speed will be good for me. With my level of infamy, I imagine I won't be fighting many wars, so a faster speed is fine. When I start colonizing, though, I'll support a slower rate. :P
Quote from: Solmyr on January 08, 2010, 07:07:26 PM
3 was good for me, but that's because Austria doesn't have a lot to do right away. :P
Beat up Aquilea and grab those Austrian provinces. They have gold!
Quote from: Habbaku on January 08, 2010, 08:28:55 PM
I'll be there, though when are we starting exactly? Do we want to try to start a little earlier, if possible?
I'm not sure what speed will be good for me. With my level of infamy, I imagine I won't be fighting many wars, so a faster speed is fine. When I start colonizing, though, I'll support a slower rate. :P
I'm fine with an earlier start, and also a later finish. I doubt starting earlier will get us on Katmai's good side, though. :hmm:
earlier start!!! :ultra:
Well don't forget that we started 90mins late working the kinks out but I think 7-11am is a decent amount of time a week :P
Quote from: Habbaku on January 08, 2010, 08:28:55 PM
I'll be there, though when are we starting exactly? Do we want to try to start a little earlier, if possible?
We are suppose to be starting at
7am for me
8am for Kleves
10am for Alci iirc
11am for you habbu
5pm for dirty yooors!
11 EST is best for me.
And level 3 would be nice you old farts. 2 is painstakingly slow.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 08, 2010, 09:56:52 PM
11 EST is best for me.
And level 3 would be nice you old farts. 2 is painstakingly slow.
I only ask for 2 if in a war, in peace it is too slow yes.
Someone is always in war. And stop being old. :hug:
my age has nothing to do with wanting it at speed 2. :lol:
When at speed 3 you have battles being resolved before you can even see how they are faring it's a problem.
I think it'd be best if we stuck with speed 3 at all times unless two PCs are at war with one-another, in which case we slow it to speed 2. Let's face it, unless you're Kleves or Tamas, fighting the AI is going to be a snap.
We should, however, maybe make room for going to speed 2 if Alci gets in a large war, since Muscovy can have some pretty critical wars early on.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 09, 2010, 02:39:50 AM
We should, however, maybe make room for going to speed 2 if Alci gets in a large war, since Muscovy can have some pretty critical wars early on.
He says he doesn't need it though.
:P
Quote from: Habbaku on January 09, 2010, 02:39:50 AM
I think it'd be best if we stuck with speed 3 at all times unless two PCs are at war with one-another, in which case we slow it to speed 2. Let's face it, unless you're Kleves or Tamas, fighting the AI is going to be a snap.
We should, however, maybe make room for going to speed 2 if Alci gets in a large war, since Muscovy can have some pretty critical wars early on.
Oh snap :rolleyes:
I'll see how you will manage your infamy war gangrapes on speed 3, mister! :mad:
Quote from: Habbaku on January 08, 2010, 08:29:12 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 08, 2010, 07:07:26 PM
3 was good for me, but that's because Austria doesn't have a lot to do right away. :P
Beat up Aquilea and grab those Austrian provinces. They have gold!
I like having a CB before invading, I'm just weird that way. :bowler:
PS. Unignore me on Steam you noob. :P
I don't think I had you on ignore, Solymr. :unsure:
Also, the Hamachi network posted at the beginning of the thread doesn't seem to work. Is someone going to create another for everyone to join, or was it just shot off temporarily?
Quote from: Habbaku on January 09, 2010, 06:37:36 PM
Also, the Hamachi network posted at the beginning of the thread doesn't seem to work. Is someone going to create another for everyone to join, or was it just shot off temporarily?
I will create a new one, I shut off the other one because it was harded and harder to resist browsing katmai's comp :P
Oh and please do not post the new hamachi's network's IP and password here, we will spread that on Steam.
Quote from: Tamas on January 09, 2010, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 09, 2010, 06:37:36 PM
Also, the Hamachi network posted at the beginning of the thread doesn't seem to work. Is someone going to create another for everyone to join, or was it just shot off temporarily?
I will create a new one, I shut off the other one because it was harded and harder to resist browsing katmai's comp :P
Oh and please do not post the new hamachi's network's IP and password here, we will spread that on Steam.
:shifty:
Oh and I think we should go on speed 3 unless someone at war asks otherwise. My 5 front war last time was quite unmanagable at speed 3, but when you are at peace, speed 2 is absolutely appaling.
Game on in 1 hour.
Be there, or be fucked in the ass by gigantic black people.
I have re-created the network, and started gathering people in the languish steam chat room. Be there, or be square.
Speaking of which, I have sent out invites to all of you for teh steam group but I'm missing a few there.
Or, well... I wouldn't say I'm MISSING you.
But you get the picture.
session summary signed and delivered
You lazy fucks who can't be arsed to write even a short summary up should be well and properly ashamed of yourselves, probably for other reasons than this aswell, but I will not suffer poking through your dirty sock drawer to find out.
For the people wanting screen shots: Fuck you. Tamas kept raising the speed to 4 while I was involved in 3 front wars against about 10 AI nations that all kept sending their troops to contested territory without forts which made any attempt at holding territory long enough to get a peace offer sent without having the premises of the offer being already obsolete by the time I push send well you get the picture you slobbering fucking freaks, there was simply no time to press the screen shot button. "Huhwhat? Why did I just lose 20 days and a 15 regiment army? Oh, speed is 4 when it was previously 2. Thanks a lot, Tamas. I really appreciate it. You're going on my christmas card list."
I was planning on writing my summary tonight, when I had more time.
As for the speed issue, Tamas asked if it was OK to raise the speed to 4 (from 3, not from 2) and I was the only one that responded. You then proceeded to whine an entire 15 minutes later about it. So, maybe pay attention to in-game chat rather than just AFKing?
That's what you get for living in Europe.....with the host oddly enough. Internet is probably slow from your government scanning and logging everything you say and do.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 10, 2010, 06:34:58 PM
I was planning on writing my summary tonight, when I had more time.
As for the speed issue, Tamas asked if it was OK to raise the speed to 4 (from 3, not from 2) and I was the only one that responded. You then proceeded to whine an entire 15 minutes later about it. So, maybe pay attention to in-game chat rather than just AFKing?
I didn't notice because I was hip deep in popups, revolts, hostile sieges, maneuvering, war declarations. :rolleyes:
Who the fuck decided to make the chat text white and in the middle of the screen anyway? My brain does the smart thing and just filters that shit out.
As for my possibly slight exaggerations, I will go ahead and claim artistic license. :P
Quote from: Slargos on January 10, 2010, 06:43:03 PM
Who the fuck decided to make the chat text white and in the middle of the screen anyway? My brain does the smart thing and just filters that shit out.
Don't blame me when you're diplomatically isolated due to ignoring messages, then. :P
I don't blame you, though. The text took a bit of getting used to, especially as it changes position whenever certain screens (like province summaries) are opened up. It's pretty crude, but definitely better than using Steam's chat non-stop, unless we were to do voice chat. Not sure how well that'd work out for the Euros, but it'd be fine for me and Katmai, I think.
Lastly, I think the board now recognizes the power of Austria and will make attempts to hem them in, especially as Milan is now quite clearly threatened. It may end up taking a coalition of the Turks, Spain and Milan to pare them down a bit. However, I would be concerned about the French as well--Tamas did a pretty good job of decking Burgundy and annexing his minors this time around and has the majority of France tucked away safely. Since Kleves didn't seem all that interested in preventing France from growing, I didn't particularly care myself.
With the outside help of last session, France has been able to unify much earlier than usual..... :secret:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 10, 2010, 06:35:40 PM
That's what you get for living in Europe.....with the host oddly enough. Internet is probably slow from your government scanning and logging everything you say and do.
You think you're joking, but really, IPRED pretty much means just that.
For instance, if I were to state that I saw a story on
Al qaida the other day, and that I'm
planning on taking a leak later, after I've decided how to best go about
blowing up the size of my photos, I'm pretty sure this post gets pinged somewhere. :P
But no, I haven't suffered any noticeable lag, and the surprise about the speed increase to 4 was probably mostly because I was so very busy fighting .
:lol: I bet it does. :ph34r:
Bear looks like he's high, btw. :P
I thought it was very fitting. :D
Just great :rolleyes: At one hand I had Habbaku constantly whining about the slowness, on the other hand I had Slargos shrilling it was too fast. Bunch of whiny little bitches, the lot of you :P
I am quite satisfied with my connection, however. We managed to do a lot of time on speed 4 with no one reporting any lag.
As for my size - I still have not unified France proper, my inflation is through the roof, and I am sourrounded by big player powers. So cry me a river.
Well let me state 4 is too fricking fast, as it was a clickfest of notifications for me and I wasn't even in a war.
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 03:00:37 AM
Well let me state 4 is too fricking fast, as it was a clickfest of notifications for me and I wasn't even in a war.
Yeah it is okay for peace, but unmanagable for war.
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 03:00:37 AM
Well let me state 4 is too fricking fast, as it was a clickfest of notifications for me and I wasn't even in a war.
I suggest disabling some of the useless ones, then. Anything that pertains to merchants is generally pointless, for example (except embargos) and there are a lot of pop-ups that you just don't need to know about.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 11, 2010, 03:22:07 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 03:00:37 AM
Well let me state 4 is too fricking fast, as it was a clickfest of notifications for me and I wasn't even in a war.
I suggest disabling some of the useless ones, then. Anything that pertains to merchants is generally pointless, for example (except embargos) and there are a lot of pop-ups that you just don't need to know about.
This
I thought that when we were talking about 4 in chat, it referred to game sessions being ideally 4 hours long, to which I said yes. :P
IMO, speed 4 is too fast regardless of circumstances.
If every player nation is simultaneously at peace, with no work intensive activities like colonization or exploration, I could see where running 4 would work, but when will that ever happen?
It's hard enough to manage a 3-4 front war against 8-12 AI nations at 3 without pushing it to 4. I can manage at 3 and I won't complain about it unless it gets really intense (and since any AI nation that can actually threaten me has been dealt with that probably own't happen), but I really won't accept 4 while in those major wars.
I know I am not even a part of the game but speed 4 without being able to pause is silly.
I am playing with old pipple <_<
I don't mind going back to sleeping in on Sunday mornings :P
Quote from: Tamas on January 12, 2010, 02:40:18 AM
I am playing with old pipple <_<
Speed 3 is just fine, Tamas. Speed 4 is a bit quick if you have a lot to worry about, so I can understand the reticence. Besides, you'll be clamoring for speed 3 with the rest of them when exploration starts up in earnest.
Well by the time of our next session I will be over 30 so I can join the council of elders and their ways of speed 3
If you want to do a speed 4 campaign, I'm fine trying to schedule a smaller, like-minded group of players on top of this one. A 4-person group would be pretty neat.
In all seriousness though, speed 3 is adequate. Unless we go through a period where nobody is doing anything, I don't see us being able to be at speed 4 for quite some time.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 12, 2010, 02:47:11 AM
In all seriousness though, speed 3 is adequate. Unless we go through a period where nobody is doing anything, I don't see us being able to be at speed 4 for quite some time.
:yes:
Told ya, you should have gimped France when you had the chance, now they're on the verge of getting all blobby.
....
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 12, 2010, 03:10:09 AM
Told ya, you should have gimped France when you had the chance, now they're on the verge of getting all blobby.
:lol:
Yeah, I'm with Tamas on that one. France has ~14% inflation (the rest of the board is at ~2-5% and falling), has less manpower than Austria (which is less than a combined Castille/England and Castille hasn't even gotten the useful provinces out of Aragon yet), comparable income to England and Castille and quite a bit of Infamy packed away.
Yeah...
Yeah. Don't get me wrong, on the total I am much stronger than at the start of the last session, but all my human neighbors are the very least my equals.
Quote from: Tamas on January 12, 2010, 03:34:54 AM
Yeah. Don't get me wrong, on the total I am much stronger than at the start of the last session, but all my human neighbors are the very least my equals.
Always forgotten i see. :cry:
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2010, 03:37:53 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 12, 2010, 03:34:54 AM
Yeah. Don't get me wrong, on the total I am much stronger than at the start of the last session, but all my human neighbors are the very least my equals.
Always forgotten i see. :cry:
I did not forget about you! You have Italy, dude. Sure, not yet, but I think all of us others would rather see you get it then anyone other dude, so it is a done deal.
So that's settled then.
Gaul Delenda Est.
Next on the order of business is Venice.
The Ottoman Empire magnanimously offers to compromise between Milan and Austria by annexing Venezia and allowing both parties equal access to trade there.
Quote from: Slargos on January 12, 2010, 07:43:26 AM
So that's settled then.
Gaul Delenda Est.
Next on the order of business is Venice.
The Ottoman Empire magnanimously offers to compromise between Milan and Austria by annexing Venezia and allowing both parties equal access to trade there.
Bad idea to let the Turk up there. Milan should have Venice.
Of course, we can't really allow a power to have all of Italy, the Venice CoT, and the Liguria CoT. So I will take up the task of maintaining the latter.
Quote from: Tamas on January 12, 2010, 07:48:06 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 12, 2010, 07:43:26 AM
So that's settled then.
Gaul Delenda Est.
Next on the order of business is Venice.
The Ottoman Empire magnanimously offers to compromise between Milan and Austria by annexing Venezia and allowing both parties equal access to trade there.
Bad idea to let the Turk up there. Milan should have Venice.
Of course, we can't really allow a power to have all of Italy, the Venice CoT, and the Liguria CoT. So I will take up the task of maintaining the latter.
I am glad that you only disagree with one of my proclamations, and I will back down on Venezia.
Liguria falling into French hands is, however, unacceptable.
The Bosporus strait is currently closed for repairs, so unfortunately no western fleets will be able to pass it, but graciously the Ottoman Empire will take care of the Kaffa question for the paltry sum of highest bidder, to cover the expenses of conquest.
Bidding starts by PM now, and the winner will receive notice well before the start of next session. -_-
It is interesting how you discuss the fate of Italy without consulting the Emperor's opinion, even though Italy is clearly a part of HRE.
As it happens, Venezia is considered to be within the Imperial sphere and any interference with that will lead to war. At the same time the Emperor fully recognizes Milan's rights to Liguria. I do believe France should be content with being allowed to annex its second trade center in Antwerpen while some still have none at all.
Being part of the Genoese Trade League, the Kingdom of Spain has a duty to protect our Genoan allies and will fight any who dare to threaten the trade-republic's home port (we care not for Kaffa or any overseas territory). Milan is encouraged to follow its natural path to expansion in central and southern Italy, for the time being.
Quote from: Slargos on January 12, 2010, 07:49:51 AM
The Bosporus strait is currently closed for repairs, so unfortunately no western fleets will be able to pass it, but graciously the Ottoman Empire will take care of the Kaffa question for the paltry sum of highest bidder, to cover the expenses of conquest.
Bidding starts by PM now, and the winner will receive notice well before the start of next session. -_-
:glare:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 12, 2010, 01:28:22 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 12, 2010, 07:49:51 AM
The Bosporus strait is currently closed for repairs, so unfortunately no western fleets will be able to pass it, but graciously the Ottoman Empire will take care of the Kaffa question for the paltry sum of highest bidder, to cover the expenses of conquest.
Bidding starts by PM now, and the winner will receive notice well before the start of next session. -_-
:glare:
Speaking of donations, I will also receive money NOT to take Kaffa. :contract: :ph34r:
The Sublime Porte has just had a divinely inspired epiphany and will from now on guarantee the right to Genoese self-determination and stewardship of Kaffa. Invaders beware, our words are backed with hordes of slave-soldiers. :!:
Quote from: Slargos on January 13, 2010, 07:48:40 PM
The Sublime Porte has just had a divinely inspired epiphany and will from now on guarantee the right to Genoese self-determination and stewardship of Kaffa. Invaders beware, our words are backed with hordes of slave-soldiers. :!:
Very troubling to hear, I must talk with the Emperor about this
Quote from: katmai on January 13, 2010, 07:53:26 PM
Very troubling to hear, I must talk with the Emperor about this
/waves hand
This isn't the trade republic you're looking for. You want the Venetians.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 13, 2010, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 13, 2010, 07:53:26 PM
Very troubling to hear, I must talk with the Emperor about this
/waves hand
This isn't the trade republic you're looking for. You want the Venetians.
Hmm troubling to see Spanish consorting with the Turk. :(
When the independence of a vital interest of Spain's is threatened, all allies are welcome, even heathens.
Just as long as no Irish!
The Irish are not heathens, they are animals.
It saddens my heart to see the powers of Europe argue over such a petty matter. I think I will just have to vassalize Genoa to protect it, and end this pointless fight.
Quote from: Tamas on January 14, 2010, 03:18:26 AM
It saddens my heart to see the powers of Europe argue over such a petty matter. I think I will just have to vassalize Genoa to protect it, and end this pointless fight.
:yeahright:
If the Sultan begins to interfere in Italy then the Emperor just might have to start guaranteeing places like the Mamluks and Persia.
To quote the great English King Richard IV: "Love thy neighbor as thyself. Unless he's Turkish, in which case kill the bastard!"
Quote from: Solmyr on January 14, 2010, 05:47:41 AM
If the Sultan begins to interfere in Italy then the Emperor just might have to start guaranteeing places like the Mamluks and Persia.
To quote the great English King Richard IV: "Love thy neighbor as thyself. Unless he's Turkish, in which case kill the bastard!"
The Sultan only guarantees Genuan ownership of Kaffa, which is well within the Ottoman sphere of influence. :goodboy:
Russia claims it....whenever Russia is formed. :P
So, do we want to start a little earlier this week to get more game in? Say, 10:30 instead of 11:00 EST? Is that bad for anyone?
That should work for me.
Should be ok for me this week.
As usual, no problem for me but in the end Katmai decides these being the one with the earliest morning (IIRC?)
Silence = consent, then! Katmai gets a veto, but otherwise everyone should be ready to attend at 10:30--and on both Steam and Hamachi at that time. :)
Fine with me too.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 16, 2010, 06:13:36 PM
Silence = consent, then! Katmai gets a veto, but otherwise everyone should be ready to attend at 10:30--and on both Steam and Hamachi at that time. :)
Are you still using Steam for chat? The in-game chat works fine now.
Yeah, steam is worthless. :moon:
Uh you want to start half hour earlier, but still end at 2pm your time habbu?
if so i guess i can try to be there at 6:30am, but not making any promises as dealing with flu so my sleep habits are all fooked up.
Why are you guys not doing a normal 4 hour block, 11-3 EST?
Quote from: ulmont on January 16, 2010, 10:01:57 PM
Why are you guys not doing a normal 4 hour block, 11-3 EST?
Because Habbu Sucks!
Some prior commitment nonsense :rolleyes:
I thought he said he'd be able to this week?
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 16, 2010, 10:35:48 PM
I thought he said he'd be able to this week?
Then why the fuck are we starting half hour earlier?
:P
Nah i think he said this week as well would be early stop for him, but he could set it up to be playing till 3pm starting next week.
You take naps Kat, you should be fine :D
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 16, 2010, 10:42:36 PM
You take naps Kat, you should be fine :D
Considering I didn't fall asleep till 6am this morning, i have no idea what shape i'll be in 12 hours :P
You wake up dammit. :ph34r:
Quote from: ulmont on January 16, 2010, 10:01:57 PM
Why are you guys not doing a normal 4 hour block, 11-3 EST?
Because everyone's idea of scheduling seems to be "play until we get tired of it," instead of actually nailing a time down.
If I thought we were going to set a time and play consistently, other than just "11 'til whatever" I'd free up the time consistently, but no one's even mentioned setting a better schedule yet.
Starting without Milan is fine by me. :menace:
Quote from: Habbaku on January 16, 2010, 11:13:04 PM
Quote from: ulmont on January 16, 2010, 10:01:57 PM
Why are you guys not doing a normal 4 hour block, 11-3 EST?
Because everyone's idea of scheduling seems to be "play until we get tired of it," instead of actually nailing a time down.
If I thought we were going to set a time and play consistently, other than just "11 'til whatever" I'd free up the time consistently, but no one's even mentioned setting a better schedule yet.
Well we did the first week, ya know the one you weren't even there for?
No one was really taking charge till Slargos did, but It seemed to me we had set up a 7 till 11am or sooner if somebody had to go :P
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 16, 2010, 10:42:36 PM
You take naps Kat, you should be fine :D
I believe his people call them
siestas. Don't be so culturally insensitive! :bash:
Speaking as the man in charge of this post-Katrina mess, I would like to know if there are any problems with playing the full 4 hours.
I'm speaking in generalities, as I don't want to single anyone out HABBAKU but the idea was indeed to play 4 hours on Sundays, longer if people are spontaneously up for it, but certainly not shorter unless absofuckinglutely necessary.
If we need to stop short of 4 hours, I would much rather formalize it. Makes planning activities around the game much more straight forward. I know you Americans have been infected with the unfortunate southern european laxadasical attitude towards time, but here in northern europe we expect both trains and games to run on time. :hmm:
I don't think I can really go on for more than 4 hours. :P
I am fine with starting half an hour early (and btw the hamachi network is still in place so I will turn it on), and really we should aim at getting 4 hours of gametime in each week.
Yar
Just waiting on Kleves...much like last week.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 16, 2010, 09:45:52 PM
Yeah, steam is worthless.
Only worthless if you have some other means to get everyone together in the same chat room before the game's started.
Alci, Katmai, Kleves, game lobby is on, hamachi is same as last week.
Someone phone and wake up katmai plz, I am fighting a whine-storm at the lobby to drop him.
Back in the day of eu2 mp we would edit in 2% inflation if you weren't on time. Worked wonders. Just a suggestion. :)
These 3 hour sessions are starting to piss me off. :mad:
Tamas, please send me the save file when you get the chance.
Habs, is next session going to be 3 hours aswell?
I don't know, are we going to wait a half hour for Katmai?
Quote from: Habbaku on January 17, 2010, 06:27:28 PM
I don't know, are we going to wait a half hour for Katmai?
I don't know, are you always going to answer questions with questions?
What am I, a rabbi?
Go AI Milan!
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2010, 08:04:36 PM
Go AI Milan!
Yeah, AI Milan owned your ass. They listened to my advice, whereas you wouldn't have. :P
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 17, 2010, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2010, 08:04:36 PM
Go AI Milan!
Yeah, AI Milan owned your ass. They listened to my advice, whereas you wouldn't have. :P
:huh:
I was planning trying to take some of south italy this session since I'd quelled the revolts in all the area the AI took the first session :P
Yeah, but you wouldn't have taken all of it like the AI did. :contract:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 17, 2010, 10:12:51 PM
Yeah, but you wouldn't have taken all of it like the AI did. :contract:
:lol: Without regard for Infamy and igniting a war with France? Yeah, probably right.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 17, 2010, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 17, 2010, 10:12:51 PM
Yeah, but you wouldn't have taken all of it like the AI did. :contract:
:lol: Without regard for Infamy and igniting a war with France? Yeah, probably right.
Oh my. how bad is it?
As i told Slargos I woke up late (about 50mins past agreed time) only to have internet out till after noon my time.
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2010, 11:09:12 PM
Oh my. how bad is it?
I don't recall what their infamy was, but I suspect it's rather high. Nonetheless, Tamas was benevolent in his war with Milan and merely took the Savoian regions back rather than gobble up anything else (probably because the rest of us would've smashed him). Milan has expanded quite rapidly, though, but will have to spend the next 10-odd years dealing with the odd rebellion before they can consider going further.
Also, Rome is guaranteed by both Spain and Austria in perpetuity. So...either find something worth trading to sell out the Pope, get yourself some powerful allies that won't mind you taking it, or be prepared to fight off two super-powers (though I'll only know how super our powers are when Tamas sends me the file for statistical analysis).
Roma is under our protection as well, no plans to take it...for now.
He did? the map that sol put up make it look the same except AI milan annexed the Swiss it seems.
French in North Africa already?
And I see i need to take Genoa still. Damn Ai.
So is looking at the save file to get info that would not be available ingame ok?
I don't do it, but...
Quote from: Kleves on January 18, 2010, 12:12:48 AM
So is looking at the save file to get info that would not be available ingame ok?
Well, we should probably decide if it is or it isn't, but I don't really mind it, myself. I like doing comparisons between the countries at the end of a session to get a real feel for things rather than just playing the guessing-game over finances, manpower, etc.
Nonetheless, Tamas is currently the only one with the save, I believe, so it's his call.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 18, 2010, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: Kleves on January 18, 2010, 12:12:48 AM
So is looking at the save file to get info that would not be available ingame ok?
Well, we should probably decide if it is or it isn't, but I don't really mind it, myself. I like doing comparisons between the countries at the end of a session to get a real feel for things rather than just playing the guessing-game over finances, manpower, etc.
Nonetheless, Tamas is currently the only one with the save, I believe, so it's his call.
Grats to both you and Kleves on the Colonization.
:cheers:
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2010, 11:51:16 PM
French in North Africa already?
And I see i need to take Genoa still. Damn Ai.
Genoa is guaranteed and the powers-that-be-bigger-than-you have decided that Venice is yours. Keep your mitts off of Genoa, capische?
The French aided Spain in taking some provinces in North Africa and were rewarded with a toe-hold of poor territory.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 18, 2010, 12:33:15 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2010, 11:51:16 PM
French in North Africa already?
And I see i need to take Genoa still. Damn Ai.
Genoa is guaranteed and the powers-that-be-bigger-than-you have decided that Venice is yours. Keep your mitts off of Genoa, capische?
The French aided Spain in taking some provinces in North Africa and were rewarded with a toe-hold of poor territory.
I'm Italy, no one is bigger than me!
Well maybe The Turks, and the Muscovites.
Okay and maybe the Spanish and French, but no one else!
And the English. Austrians, too. And the Ming, and some of the Indian states. And all of the Siberian countries...and... :P
Quote from: Habbaku on January 18, 2010, 12:38:32 AM
And the English. Austrians, too. And the Ming, and some of the Indian states. And all of the Siberian countries...and... :P
Yeah, yeah..
I do want to see the Save as curious with all the Southern parts of Italy what manpower and income are like now.
Tamas you goat fucker, where is the save! I know you are on way home by now from work!
Quote from: katmai on January 18, 2010, 12:39:29 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 18, 2010, 12:38:32 AM
And the English. Austrians, too. And the Ming, and some of the Indian states. And all of the Siberian countries...and... :P
Yeah, yeah..
I do want to see the Save as curious with all the Southern parts of Italy what manpower and income are like now.
Italy's pretty rich, so I think you'll be pleased. Also, seizing the Swiss Alps really helps give you strategic depth against France.
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2010, 11:18:44 PM
Roma is under our protection as well, no plans to take it...for now.
He did? the map that sol put up make it look the same except AI milan annexed the Swiss it seems.
France only annexed Provence (which AI Milan was in danger of taking).
And we all got a CB on Milan for being dishonorable scum, at one point. That's how aggressive it was. :P
Quote from: Solmyr on January 18, 2010, 02:23:42 AM
France only annexed Provence (which AI Milan was in danger of taking).
And we all got a CB on Milan for being dishonorable scum, at one point. That's how aggressive it was. :P
Ah that explains the map then.
Oh my.
I have teh save, but it's too big to attach even RARed. Poke me on Steam or something if you want it.
Dunno what Habs was smoking. As Solmyr said, I annexed Province so Milan won't, and yes, katmai, you owe me one because I did not trigger the Milan gangrape by declaring war on it when it was scum.
And I have just arrived TO work. :P
Quote from: Tamas on January 18, 2010, 02:34:41 AM
Dunno what Habs was smoking. As Solmyr said, I annexed Province so Milan won't, and yes, katmai, you owe me one because I did not trigger the Milan gangrape by declaring war on it when it was scum.
And I have just arrived TO work. :P
aw ffs, I forgot you aren't on night shift anymore.
And thank you Frankish King for not DoW'ing me.
As for an other topic the now-huge Milan should care about: Austria is reforming the HRE on an alarming pace, and after he declared to "stop it for a while" he started annexing german provinces left and right. Quite unnerving.
Quote from: Tamas on January 18, 2010, 02:51:16 AM
As for an other topic the now-huge Milan should care about: Austria is reforming the HRE on an alarming pace, and after he declared to "stop it for a while" he started annexing german provinces left and right. Quite unnerving.
Yes it sounds like something all of Europe should discuss. Even more so since the ineffective Turks seem to be stopped in the Balkans.
Quote from: Tamas on January 18, 2010, 02:51:16 AM
As for an other topic the now-huge Milan should care about: Austria is reforming the HRE on an alarming pace, and after he declared to "stop it for a while" he started annexing german provinces left and right. Quite unnerving.
Annexing left and right = two provinces for the entire session. Pretty much everyone else annexed a lot more. And I created more new HRE states than I destroyed. Vassalizing is not annexing as far as I'm concerned.
I will say it once more clearly: Austria has no ambitions beyond Germany, but will not tolerate other powers attempting to gain a foothold there. If there is a demand that the Empire is not unified, then I might as well start demanding that France does not unify or that Castile releases Aragon and Galicia. Obviously that would be preposterous, but no more than demanding that the German Emperor does not influence the rest of Germany.
PS. The lack of Milan gangrape was really more due to its alliance with Austria rather than the goodness of French heart. :P
Quote from: katmai on January 18, 2010, 02:53:50 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 18, 2010, 02:51:16 AM
As for an other topic the now-huge Milan should care about: Austria is reforming the HRE on an alarming pace, and after he declared to "stop it for a while" he started annexing german provinces left and right. Quite unnerving.
Yes it sounds like something all of Europe should discuss. Even more so since the ineffective Turks seem to be stopped in the Balkans.
Even the mighty Turkish army can do nothing against the filthy german pigs alone. A wolf outnumbered by hordes of ravenous pigs that hide behind stone and earth works is still a wolf, yea, but he is ineffectual.
Thanks for the save Solmyr.
Well the infamy of 22% isn't great but better than i did for Habbu in 1st session :lol:
Manpower size is decent, maybe a resurgent Roman empire isn't too far fetched...
Yeah, Italian manpower combined with cores on half of Switzerland seems to be pretty damn high, actually. I'm rather surprised...My manpower won't equal yours until I found Spain and get the cultural acceptance bonuses, unfortunately. Or until I get a lot more colonies. :mad:
Quote from: Habbaku on January 18, 2010, 12:49:17 PM
Yeah, Italian manpower combined with cores on half of Switzerland seems to be pretty damn high, actually. I'm rather surprised...My manpower won't equal yours until I found Spain and get the cultural acceptance bonuses, unfortunately. Or until I get a lot more colonies. :mad:
I i just need to do something about Papal States and i can create Italy :shifty:
Well, you need the core on Rome before you can create Italy, much like my own need for cores on Aragon, but, yeah, once you have Rome you're well on your way.
On another note, I took some screen-caps of the national comparison stuff and thought I'd share the comparative economies, armies and navies of the largest powers. Muscovy dropped off the list of the last two, but I'm sure they'll get up there sooner or later. :P
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The relative economy of all involved. Despite how rich Italy is, Milan is...quite poor at the moment. I think they're having a little trouble digesting their new territory. Meanwhile, predictably, Austria remains at the top of the heap thanks to Gemeiner Pfennig. Might I suggest the rest of you start pulling your lands out of the HRE?
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Here we have the relative manpower of all involved, with the exception of Muscovy who aren't worthy of note to the might of the Spanish crown. The small might of the Spanish crown, you'll notice, as our army is quite anemic in comparison to the rest of Europe--even the upstart Milan! Spain much prefers trade to war.
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And, lastly, the navies, though really only two powers are even worth noting here--Spain and England. The wooden wall of England's stands the strongest of all while the Spanish fleet is prepared to defend her newfound territories across the sea as well as guarding her vital trade interests.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 18, 2010, 01:06:40 PM
The relative economy of all involved. Despite how rich Italy is, Milan is...quite poor at the moment. I think they're having a little trouble digesting their new territory. Meanwhile, predictably, Austria remains at the top of the heap thanks to Gemeiner Pfennig. Might I suggest the rest of you start pulling your lands out of the HRE?
The Pfennig is, of course, a balance to the oodles of income everyone but Austria will be getting from colonies. ;)
You heard it here first, Austria is letting me colonize!
:P
I'd also like to note the Turks large army and good economy for the next time he cries his crocodile tears.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 18, 2010, 01:11:57 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 18, 2010, 01:06:40 PM
The relative economy of all involved. Despite how rich Italy is, Milan is...quite poor at the moment. I think they're having a little trouble digesting their new territory. Meanwhile, predictably, Austria remains at the top of the heap thanks to Gemeiner Pfennig. Might I suggest the rest of you start pulling your lands out of the HRE?
The Pfennig is, of course, a balance to the oodles of income everyone but Austria will be getting from colonies. ;)
:rolleyes: Of course, blame the ineptitude of your navy on others.
Quote from: katmai on January 18, 2010, 01:16:02 PM
I'd also like to note the Turks large army and good economy for the next time he cries his crocodile tears.
Good economy, aye, but not so much a large army. Slargos really needs to expand along into the Levant to get the manpower he needs to contend with Austria. As it stands right now, if the Turks go one-on-one with the Emperor, they will get their shit packed in quite nicely.
I am happy to see France's almost-parity with the Emperor in terms of standing armies and manpower, and would urge the Emperor to note this fact, before he starts coming down on France like an angry woman every time France dares to defend herself against an agressor German state.
Quote from: Tamas on January 18, 2010, 01:22:51 PM
I am happy to see France's almost-parity with the Emperor in terms of standing armies and manpower, and would urge the Emperor to note this fact, before he starts coming down on France like an angry woman every time France dares to defend herself against an agressor German state.
When every German state is safely within the Emperor's influence, there will be no more for France to worry about from that direction, and I would urge the King to note this fact.
And of course, said parity makes the constant French whining about how Austria is so overpowered even more hilarious.
Quote from: Tamas on January 18, 2010, 01:22:51 PM
I am happy to see France's almost-parity with the Emperor in terms of standing armies and manpower,
Very troubling indeed.
The strength of both the Emperor and the French King is distressing. The balance of power hangs by a thread. To rectify this, England proposes an alliance between England, our Spanish friends, and our Milanese cousins. Such an alliance would go along way toward keeping Europe in balance.
what kind of alliance?
I approve of this idea.
My only concern of such talk might lead those two into an alliance of their own, and while the Spanish and English can/would dominate the Seas on land those two are preeminent
Not even the frogs are foolish enough to ally with the Emperor while he unites the HRE. No, their interests are too disparate. As the Scots used to say, before I had them all killed, "There can only be one, and where's my haggis?"
Though it pains us, Spain will have to decline the offer of alliance with the English for the time being. Though we've no ill-will towards the English crown, nor do we wish to align ourselves in such a way as to potentially alienate the Emperor (who has shown nothing but good faith) and the French themselves.
One should clearly note that the English colonization efforts have started and it will not be long before they reach the indian states at which point, easily getting CBs, they will dramatically increase their realm, surpassing everything the landlocked European powers can dream of.
Thus it is clear that English crown would like nothing better than to see trouble raising its head on the mainland.
Quote from: katmai on January 18, 2010, 01:16:02 PM
I'd also like to note the Turks large army and good economy for the next time he cries his crocodile tears.
:lol:
I can barely manage one front in a three front war against Austria.
As for my income, given the fact that I am orthodox teched, and that my trade efficiency is that of a one breasted whore, your fables about ottoman monetary power are at best exaggerated.
Quote from: Tamas on January 22, 2010, 02:32:20 AM
One should clearly note that the English colonization efforts have started and it will not be long before they reach the indian states at which point, easily getting CBs, they will dramatically increase their realm, surpassing everything the landlocked European powers can dream of.
Thus it is clear that English crown would like nothing better than to see trouble raising its head on the mainland.
Worthy of note: any western power that chooses to expand in India may find that it is quite expensive to compete with the sublime porte on the matter.
Quote from: Slargos on January 22, 2010, 03:42:13 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 22, 2010, 02:32:20 AM
One should clearly note that the English colonization efforts have started and it will not be long before they reach the indian states at which point, easily getting CBs, they will dramatically increase their realm, surpassing everything the landlocked European powers can dream of.
Thus it is clear that English crown would like nothing better than to see trouble raising its head on the mainland.
Worthy of note: any western power that chooses to expand in India may find that it is quite expensive to compete with the sublime porte on the matter.
:yeahright:
So which one is it?
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I can barely manage one front in a three front war against Austria.
As for my income, given the fact that I am orthodox teched, and that my trade efficiency is that of a one breasted whore, your fables about ottoman monetary power are at best exaggerated.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 18, 2010, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 18, 2010, 01:16:02 PM
I'd also like to note the Turks large army and good economy for the next time he cries his crocodile tears.
Good economy, aye, but not so much a large army. Slargos really needs to expand along into the Levant to get the manpower he needs to contend with Austria. As it stands right now, if the Turks go one-on-one with the Emperor, they will get their shit packed in quite nicely.
Given the leadership gap, I think you exaggerate a bit, but a war against Austria one on one would indeed be a difficult prospect. :(
Of course, the cordial relations between the empires of the Germans and the Turks preclude any such nonsense.
Quote from: katmai on January 22, 2010, 03:48:41 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 22, 2010, 03:42:13 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 22, 2010, 02:32:20 AM
One should clearly note that the English colonization efforts have started and it will not be long before they reach the indian states at which point, easily getting CBs, they will dramatically increase their realm, surpassing everything the landlocked European powers can dream of.
Thus it is clear that English crown would like nothing better than to see trouble raising its head on the mainland.
Worthy of note: any western power that chooses to expand in India may find that it is quite expensive to compete with the sublime porte on the matter.
:yeahright:
So which one is it?
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I can barely manage one front in a three front war against Austria.
As for my income, given the fact that I am orthodox teched, and that my trade efficiency is that of a one breasted whore, your fables about ottoman monetary power are at best exaggerated.
I don't see Austria being able to go to India any time soon. 17th century at the EARLIEST. :contract:
As for the rest of you fuckers, payment will be in blood, not coin so my lack of financial strength will not apply. <_<
Quote from: Slargos on January 22, 2010, 03:42:13 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 22, 2010, 02:32:20 AM
One should clearly note that the English colonization efforts have started and it will not be long before they reach the indian states at which point, easily getting CBs, they will dramatically increase their realm, surpassing everything the landlocked European powers can dream of.
Thus it is clear that English crown would like nothing better than to see trouble raising its head on the mainland.
Worthy of note: any western power that chooses to expand in India may find that it is quite expensive to compete with the sublime porte on the matter.
Milan needs to spread it's wings in the Italian demand of coffee!*
Even if coffee wasn't brought to Italy till 16th century!
I enjoy this thread. You guys need to play twice a week. :)
Quote from: Vricklund on January 22, 2010, 09:32:59 AM
I enjoy this thread. You guys need to play twice a week. :)
Sadly the divergent schedules of everybody means it's impossible for us to play more than once a week.
Austria shall continue to maintain its policy of honorable and dignified benevolence. By this we mean that Austria does not seek domination at the expense of others' interests, in India or anywhere else, but the Emperor shall not trade in his dignity by caving in on his completely lawful and sacred role as the leader of all Germany. It should be obvious that anyone who has no plans to expand in Germany has nothing to fear from Austria.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 22, 2010, 10:10:49 AM
Austria shall continue to maintain its policy of honorable and dignified benevolence. By this we mean that Austria does not seek domination at the expense of others' interests, in India or anywhere else, but the Emperor shall not trade in his dignity by caving in on his completely lawful and sacred role as the leader of all Germany. It should be obvious that anyone who has no plans to expand in Germany has nothing to fear from Austria.
Milan is happy to announce we have no intentions on Germanic lands, and we have only intentions of bringing other Lombardic cultured provinces under our sphere.
So what time are we starting at ?
:P
So this week is habs able to go an hour later? And yeah, are we starting a half hour early again... or attempting to while Tamas yells at us to wait for Katmai who is never going to show up and showers us with insults? :P
I'm not half dead with the flu this week you army puke.
Either's good for me, but I'd prefer to play 10:30-2:30 EST, if possible.
We should go ahead and decide now, though. And maybe Kleves will show up on time this go-round.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 22, 2010, 10:35:54 PM
So this week is habs able to go an hour later? And yeah, are we starting a half hour early again... or attempting to while Tamas yells at us to wait for Katmai who is never going to show up and showers us with insults? :P
There was a mutiny I had to brake down :P
I am fine with starting at 4:30
I hate you all.
I'm not comfortable with starting the game earlier unless Katmai is on board.
Just because I believe his rabid race needs to be put down en masse, doesn't mean I want him to suffer needlessly. :sleep:
Quote from: Slargos on January 23, 2010, 09:32:46 AM
I'm not comfortable with starting the game earlier unless Katmai is on board.
Just because I believe his rabid race needs to be put down en masse, doesn't mean I want him to suffer needlessly. :sleep:
I should be fine, and if i'm not there please feel free to talk about me in a bad light. ^_^
Quote from: katmai on January 23, 2010, 09:33:49 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 23, 2010, 09:32:46 AM
I'm not comfortable with starting the game earlier unless Katmai is on board.
Just because I believe his rabid race needs to be put down en masse, doesn't mean I want him to suffer needlessly. :sleep:
I should be fine, and if i'm not there please feel free to talk about me in a bad light. ^_^
:huh:
What would be the point of deriding you in public if you're not there to see it?
Does not compute.
Quote from: Slargos on January 23, 2010, 09:34:48 AM
:huh:
What would be the point of deriding you in public if you're not there to see it?
Does not compute.
Well it's what we do when waiting for you, so just thought ya know...
Heads up: The spy mission Sow Discontent is ridiculously over powered and I'm going to go ahead and declare it ILLEGAL for use against player nations.
Probably shouldn't be used against AI either.
What does it do? I've only made very sparing use of spies in my games and only used one or two in our MP game, I think, so it's not likely to be a big deal.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 23, 2010, 12:11:12 PM
What does it do? I've only made very sparing use of spies in my games and only used one or two in our MP game, I think, so it's not likely to be a big deal.
Agreed. At the level we're playing, I don't really think it will be a problem. This one is apparently such a game breaker in EU3 MP though, that I figured I would nip this problem in the potential bud. :D
I THINK it gives a -1 stab hit which when spammed by several nations in a war can be pretty destructive.
I generally only use spy missions sparingly, so I've never really considered their implications in MP.
Quote from: Slargos on January 23, 2010, 12:17:27 PM
I THINK it gives a -1 stab hit which when spammed by several nations in a war can be pretty destructive.
This is correct. Most EU3 MP games ban Sow Discontent as a result (although it may be toned down in HTTT; I really haven't looked).
Ah, yes, I remember that one now. I got a mission, once, to destabilize Sweden, so I spammed them with it and ended up taking them from +3 to -2 stability in the course of two years or something. It wasn't pretty after that.
Mmk
So, Kleves, are you going to be on time tomorrow?
I will be on time. You guys might be early.
So we're starting without you at 10:30 EST, then? Got it.
Well if Kleves is gonna be late....
Time to grab some provinces from England and Milan, then. :)
Pfft like you could even if you wanted to.
:rolleyes:
The AI is off the chain!
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 23, 2010, 04:33:00 PM
The AI is off the chain!
:yes: AI England would soon annex France. I had better show up; it would be too hard on Tamas if I didn't.
GAME IS TEH UP!
Very troubling all those damn prottys running around the HRE!
The Emperor will be ensuring religious unity, of course if nobody makes his job harder by interfering.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 24, 2010, 02:58:42 PM
The Emperor will be ensuring religious unity, of course if nobody makes his job harder by interfering.
But of what religion? the World wonders!?!
Statistical screenshots and analysis will follow later tonight.
The big winners of the session were Castille and Milan, who both more than doubled their previous income. The big losers were France and England, who have remained practically stagnant relative to the other powers.
quick question for all, i noticed everyone but myself and Tamas are Empires. Wondering what is reasonable way i should be heading with my feudal monarchy?
Quote from: katmai on January 24, 2010, 06:37:04 PM
quick question for all, i noticed everyone but myself and Tamas are Empires. Wondering what is reasonable way i should be heading with my feudal monarchy?
Well, the Empire government type is eminently more useful than Feudal Monarchy, in my mind, because it quadruples the number of magistrates that you get a year. If you'll look at the mainland Spanish provinces, you'll see the plethora of bonuses and modifications that they've allowed me to make--all thanks to a relatively early declaration of Empire.
As Milan, I would adopt the Imperial government ASAP unless you're drawing close to a high enough Government tech to get an Administrative Monarchy, which gives just as many magistrates, but also gives you +10% Production Efficiency, which will do wonders for your income as most of it is currently based off taxes/production rather than trade.
Note that you need Government 18 to get Administrative Monarchy--and Milan's already at 16, due to its umpteen Universities.
You're best off just waiting for it.
Sounds fine with me, yeah my Gov is so high because i neglected to stay in the arms race with Solymr and Slargy and their lvl 15 LT.
As promised...statistics and analysis time. If any of the viewers of our little game want additional information, feel free to ask--I'll provide what I can.
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First up, we have the comparison of province numbers. Not a vital stat, in and of itself, but an important one to note as the various countries expand or contract in size. As there have been no major wars between players short of the scuffle over Hungary a couple of sessions ago, everyone's done nothing but grow. Naturally, with its colonial empire steadily stretching out (and with the dual conquests of the Aztec and Incan Empires), Castille is by far the largest in terms of land size.
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Next, we have probably one of the most important barometers of success--the relative economies of each state. Muscovy made it this time, and in a big way! The annexation of Novgorod and the steady growth into the wild steppe country has given the Muscovite crown quite the economy--enough, even, to rival that of France and England. Of course, as a reader will note, there is the bottom tier of Muscovy, France, Milan and England...and an entirely different grade of competition between the Ottomans and Spain for the wealthiest state, with Austria picking up a nice middle ground to bridge the gulf of rich and poor.
The greatest gains were certainly made by Muscovy (174% growth!), Castille (130% growth), Milan (130% growth) and the Ottoman Turks (111% growth). Austria made respectable gains (47%) while France and England had meager increases, at best (20% and 13%, respectively).
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Next up, we have the naval comparison, which is about as lopsided as it was the last time. England and Spain continue to lead the pack, with England's fleet dominating the seas--but can the English afford to compete with their Spanish cousins (the Trastamaras rule both crowns) while their economy stagnates? Time will tell.
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Lastly, we have the national army comparisons, along with manpower listings. Castille has made moderate gains in manpower, but has doubled the size of her standing army while, unsurprisingly, others have remained relatively the same. Except, that is, for France and Milan, who have both had their forces shrink in order to balance their budgets, and the Austrian-Ottoman rivalry, which has seen immense gains in size for both nations. One can only wonder where the funding for all these arms are coming from--and if the Emperor can afford to keep up with the gold-flush Turk.
What I have not listed, by the way, is the relative tech level of each country. Generally-speaking, the major powers are all on par with a few exceptions. Castille has Trade 15, whereas all the others are 9-11. England has a 1 point naval lead, I believe, and Milan is in a league of its own in Government, having a 16 whereas the others are all 10-12.
Speaking of leagues of their own...the Austrian-Ottoman rivalry is by far the biggest worry for Europe. Both powers are sitting at Land Tech 15-16, which is why their armies are already bulking up on artillery while the rest of the powers wonder what those things that make loud noises are good for.
Well i can see Austria can't claim to being the smallest Country anymore (woo go me!)
Ottomans sure as hell make a lot of coin
I look forward to UK taking on the Japanese carriers....er wrong time frame sorry
And lastly man o man can the Austrians and Turks put a lot of men on field of battle (and French and Muscovy aren't too shabby either)
Has anyone figured out if we actually do need to rehost the next time someone changes countries?
As it stands, I'm going to be able to declare Spain in two years, game time...
Quote from: Habbaku on January 25, 2010, 02:30:44 PM
Has anyone figured out if we actually do need to rehost the next time someone changes countries?
As it stands, I'm going to be able to declare Spain in two years, game time...
And I will be making Italy or so i hope...in about 26years game time which would be next session.
EU3 MP claims it's not necessary to rehost, but tag switching MAY provoke some funky behaviour from cores and CBs, so we will rehost if it causes enough trouble, I suppose.
We WILL rehost. I will not have some kinky bug destroy the game 5 years after the nation-forming.
The reason it took so long last time was that you guys zerg-rushed my lobby while it was still busy loading the saved game for me. We will have better organization next time.
Oh sure blame us, it can't be tamas's fault :rolleyes:
Speaking of fault, has anyone realized that the Turks have expanded to the very border of India? Will any steps whatsoever be taken to deter them from such extravagant expansion this next session, or will the great powers sit idly by while the subcontinent becomes dominated by a new Caliphate?
Spain is more than willing to throw her power behind a suitable coalition aimed at freeing the Balkan states from the Turkish yoke and perhaps liberating the Holy Land in addition.
No Turks in the EU!
Free Jerusalem! Deus Vult!
:rolleyes:
I hardly think anyone will buy into your propaganda, Habbaku.
It's clear as daylight which way the Spanish economy is headed, and anyone who thinks they're served by attacking a hapless Ottoman Empire would have to be a complete imbecile.
Hapless?
:lol: While they are sure to buy your pleas of helplessness while you devour all Persia, Afghanistan, Baluchistan, the Caucasus, India...Not that those areas will improve your economy, oh, no! You're doing it solely to help the poor brown pipple that live there.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 25, 2010, 06:07:36 PM
:lol: While they are sure to buy your pleas of helplessness while you devour all Persia, Afghanistan, Baluchistan, the Caucasus, India...Not that those areas will improve your economy, oh, no! You're doing it solely to help the poor brown pipple that live there.
What have the Ottomans ever done for us?
What? You mean besides the roads, post offices, indoor plumbing, laws, medicine...
Yeah, well. Besides that. What have the Ottomans ever done for us?[/]
Quote from: Habbaku on January 25, 2010, 06:07:36 PM
:lol: While they are sure to buy your pleas of helplessness while you devour all Persia, Afghanistan, Baluchistan, the Caucasus, India...Not that those areas will improve your economy, oh, no! You're doing it solely to help the poor brown pipple that live there.
It's interesting though, that you should mention all the impoverished provinces that will be a drain on my economy and tech speed for about 200 years before they turn profitable. Conquered so that I might secure the manpower to keep Austria honest. :lol:
All the while conveniently forgetting all the gold you've looted from Incan and Aztec coffers.
I'm sure no one will notice that, however. You're probably going to get away with it.
Am I the only one not up to something? :glare:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 25, 2010, 09:59:52 PM
Am I the only one not up to something? :glare:
Nope, I have it on good authority that Kleves is doing absolutely nothing.
Don't worry. I'm not up to anything either. I won't be touching a player nation the entire game, because I want to solidify my position for the war that may or may not come in 1813.
My overarching goal is to conquer as many AI nations as possible, for the fear of maybe losing a war against a player.
I really wouldn't want that.
This is, after all, just a communal single player game.
Be careful what you wish for Slargy, ya might just get it.
The eternal MP problem. Either you have players who will gang rape your country and leave you playing a 2 province minor for the rest of the game. Or. You have the sensible players, that will not wage war because it distracts from hyperteching. It's difficult to strike a balance between the two.
That being said I'd rather play the sensible player. :)
Playing the OE was fun in eu2 because you (read I) had no chance of keeping up in trade and infra. The solution was to make the OE a stable, high morale, manpower rich, war machine and just be a general pain in the butt to the others. Looking back I wish I had played more latin nations in the same way.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 25, 2010, 05:27:47 PM
Speaking of fault, has anyone realized that the Turks have expanded to the very border of India? Will any steps whatsoever be taken to deter them from such extravagant expansion this next session, or will the great powers sit idly by while the subcontinent becomes dominated by a new Caliphate?
Spain is more than willing to throw her power behind a suitable coalition aimed at freeing the Balkan states from the Turkish yoke and perhaps liberating the Holy Land in addition.
Sorry, everyone is too busy ranting about Austrian consolidation of just Germany, that's clearly way more important than the Turks taking over all of Asia.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 25, 2010, 09:59:52 PM
Am I the only one not up to something? :glare:
Other than blobbifying Russia? :P
Don't think you haven't been noticed. ;)
Hear ye, hear ye.
Wracked with rebellion and mutinous armies, the wise and benevolent Padisha Bayezid II has declared that further incursions into the Indian subcontinent will be suspended indefinitely. The overextended and stumbling Ottoman Empire can handle no more territorial expansion into the far east.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 26, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 25, 2010, 09:59:52 PM
Am I the only one not up to something? :glare:
Other than blobbifying Russia? :P
Don't think you haven't been noticed. ;)
I don't even encompass all of the Russian domain like your nations do, my economy isn't up to par, and my low tech levels are laughable. Notice that, beeeeach. :P
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 26, 2010, 12:34:31 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 26, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 25, 2010, 09:59:52 PM
Am I the only one not up to something? :glare:
Other than blobbifying Russia? :P
Don't think you haven't been noticed. ;)
I don't even encompass all of the Russian domain like your nations do, my economy isn't up to par, and my low tech levels are laughable. Notice that, beeeeach. :P
Hey I'll have you know i don't encompass of of Italy cause of your lack of taking Genoa territory, so stop crying you big russian baby!
Keep talking to me like that and you never will! :glare:
Fine i'll go take genoa by myself!
:P
What time are we starting this Sun?
I'd like to do 10:30 again this week, if possible, but 11 is fine if others want.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 25, 2010, 10:02:09 PM
Nope, I have it on good authority that Kleves is doing absolutely nothing.
Sadly true. :(
Quote from: Habbaku on January 30, 2010, 04:30:28 AM
I'd like to do 10:30 again this week, if possible, but 11 is fine if others want.
I just need the consensus to decide as i can make earlier ( 6:30am! ) as long as i get up in enough time to have some coffee. :P
Yeah. We just need others to chime in.
You know, like others that have posted in this very thread since you posed the question.
1030 am EST works for me again if you please.
I can make it early, if need be.
is there an updated world map anywhere? :)
Quote from: LaCroix on January 30, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
is there an updated world map anywhere? :)
The last session map should be in our AAR thread uploaded by Solmyr
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=3349.msg181578#new (http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=3349.msg181578#new)
Quote from: LaCroix on January 30, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
is there an updated world map anywhere? :)
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thanks, i found it. it's interesting following this, hope it doesn't end soon!
:) I don't see it ending soon, myself. Surprisingly, everyone's been pretty consistent about playing and I think that we're all having fun--I know I am.
I think Slargos might rage quit this week if someone doesn't go to war :lol:
Funny, I was thinking he might ragequit when someone did go to war. :P
Well yes that is a possibility too.
What's going on in East Asia?
Quote from: Galrion on January 30, 2010, 10:38:04 PM
What's going on in East Asia?
Nothing much, I mean as far as Euro powers.
England should conquer Iceland.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 31, 2010, 12:39:10 AM
England should conquer Iceland.
...why would they waste time on that.
I am good for a 4:30PM start.
I don't say anything because any time is good for me. :P
I'm not saying anything, because I accidentally stayed up till 6 AM this morning playing mass effect, and I only just woke up. :blush:
But yeah, I'm good for 30 minutes early start, and I think we should simply push the starting time up if we're going to do it every week.
On the subject of rage quitting, I will not rule it out, but I don't think it will be over losing a war.
Being ganked by an inordinate number of power might do it, but little else.
Another few sessions of peace may make me quit the game in a huff, but I wouldn't call that ragequitting. :P
:rolleyes:
Need the new IP..
Well we now need a sub or a new ottomon player :wacko:
Sigh.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 31, 2010, 12:40:39 PM
Well we now need a sub or a new ottomon player :wacko:
That was fast.
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 07:01:28 AM
On the subject of rage quitting, I will not rule it out, but I don't think it will be over losing a war.
:rolleyes:
Slargos is worst than Martinus. So we need a sub. If Slargos doesnt apologize, the sub can become permanent. Just for the record: Ottos rule everything worth ruling from the mid east to fringes of India, and lost 3 provinces in a massive war against them. This prompted Slargos to cry and leave.
Quote from: ulmont on January 31, 2010, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 31, 2010, 12:40:39 PM
Well we now need a sub or a new ottomon player :wacko:
That was fast.
Slargos can't handle getting gangbanged apparently.
So It seems we are now in search of a New Ottoman player.
We will have a pic showing current state of world in 1512 as that is as far as we got this stunted session.
Quote from: katmai on January 31, 2010, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: ulmont on January 31, 2010, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 31, 2010, 12:40:39 PM
Well we now need a sub or a new ottomon player :wacko:
That was fast.
Slargos can't handle getting gangbanged apparently.
Tell me more.... any shemales with strapons?
What time do you guys start?
Quote from: Viking on January 31, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 31, 2010, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: ulmont on January 31, 2010, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 31, 2010, 12:40:39 PM
Well we now need a sub or a new ottomon player :wacko:
That was fast.
Slargos can't handle getting gangbanged apparently.
Tell me more.... any shemales with strapons?
Sorry no such soridid details.
His OE stretched from Bosnia to India, so after diplomacy from Habbuku (Spain) who was able to collect a Coalition of France(tamas), Austria (Solymr) and Milan(myself) we declared war.
Slargos's troops were winning most everywhere he went as Austria was only one who could really go against him.
But his problem was between Spain and I we had a blockade of all his ports in Med and Black sea, cutting off his troops in Greece and Balkans (though he still had some 50k plus there)
His War Capacity was about 40% and his WE at 11% so he agreed to terms of alliance's deal which were
He release Balkan minors to independence. Austrian demands
Alexandria to France
Judea and Beirut to Spain
Aleppo and Damascus to Milan
He peaced out with Austria and France and then reneged on agreements with Spain and I under the guise of we had broken pact by attacking the Greek provinces after the agreement had been made. (which wasn't the case, as I was crushed by his troops in Beirut and Spain pulled out his men in Judea to assist Austria who asked for help and so Spain and I had sieged most of Greece before he agreed to terms.. I sent my 2nd force to Albania instead of letting it get chewed up by his forces in ME. Tamas took Alexandria only because he had 40k men vs 14k Turks and still barely won.)
He then ragequit the game.
:lol:
Quote from: Barrister on January 31, 2010, 02:13:54 PM
What time do you guys start?
we go from 7:30am to 11am your time sundays.
And you can see the map of how big OE still is. 1st is map at beginning of session, 2nd is how we ended with OE still holding onto the areas in ME he agreed to give up to Spain and I.
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You're loco to be getting up that early to play a computer game.
Quote from: Barrister on January 31, 2010, 02:27:58 PM
You're loco to be getting up that early to play a computer game.
Well it seems if we don't get an OE i won't be getting up this early!
:P
Quote from: katmai on January 31, 2010, 02:17:32 PM
His War Capacity was about 40% and his WE at 11% so he agreed to terms of alliance's deal which were
He release Balkan minors to independence. Austrian demands
Alexandria to France
Judea and Beirut to Spain
Aleppo and Damascus to Milan
He peaced out with Austria and France and then reneged on agreements with Spain and I under the guise of we had broken pact by attacking the Greek provinces after the agreement had been made. (which wasn't the case, as I was crushed by his troops in Beirut and Spain pulled out his men in Judea to assist Austria who asked for help and so Spain and I had sieged most of Greece before he agreed to terms.. I sent my 2nd force to Albania instead of letting it get chewed up by his forces in ME. Tamas took Alexandria only because he had 40k men vs 14k Turks and still barely won.)
He then ragequit the game.
:lol:
The Cordon Sanitaire in the Balkans makes sense and it will probably be good for both Slargos and Solmyr. But handing out Syrian and Egyptian provinces to Occidental powers is just asking for trouble. A never ending stream of wars with Latin powers can't be good for Slargos. Even worse for the Latins in any armies they send out there...
I'm not going to apologize for quitting a game where you assemble a coalition that doesn't even break sweat taking me down. What's the fucking point?
I should've known better than to participate in a Languish game.
Won't make that mistake again.
For the record, Tamas may be the most insipid EU player I have ever had the great misfortune to play with, and I've had to deal with some real stinkers.
Honestly, Spain and Austria were by far enough to take me apart, and I would've accepted that and moved on, but when I saw Milan and France join in the frenzy aswell, it just removes the fun for me, and if I'm not having a good time I'm not going to set aside time for it.
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 02:59:10 PM
I'm not going to apologize for quitting a game where you assemble a coalition that doesn't even break sweat taking me down. What's the fucking point?
I should've known better than to participate in a Languish game.
Won't make that mistake again.
For the record, Tamas may be the most insipid EU player I have ever had the great misfortune to play with, and I've had to deal with some real stinkers.
Oh yeah. Sure.
I get a VERY tempting offer from Spain to join a coalition already containing Spain Milan And Austria, offering me reign over Europe, which would be my 4th CoT apart from some pretty nice provinces. Having everything out of colonization range, and no meaningful CB or strength advantage over my neighobrs, it sure as hell was something to consider strongly.
Then I get an offer from you, which is along the lines of "CHOOSE YOUR SIDE I DEMAND YOU!!!" Not being quite enthusiastic about pwning the Ottomans, I make you an offer to give me what (you did not know that for sure at that time) I could easily take by force by agreeing to join the coalition. In return, I offered every support I was able to give without guaranteeing my own destruction.
You react by being totally pissed and not willing to negotiate. You continue that stance up until the very beginning of today's session.
You really did not oversee the European situation correctly if you really expected me to jump on the neck of the combined power of all my major allies at once. And what I was offered in exchange of that massive and suicidal undertaking? Nothing, except the hope of not upsetting you any more.
Also to reflect on your last point: At the start of this game, I was mightly pwned by all my (AI) neighbors. Ever since that first session I have 7 times as much inflation as anyone else, and by the time I managed to unite my own country I am sourrounded by other player powers. Did I complain? Did I throw a hissy fit? No.
Plus what the hell is this about ruined fun? We all can see the world map FFS you still rule Asia and the middle east.
Do you really believe this coalition was a long-term effort to destroy the game for you? Do you really think I am stupid enough to actively help in a century long effort to destroy you? I basically gave away my target provinces accepting all the risks that might imply, in a hope that we can reach an agreement. But no, it was way below you to face reality.
I'm not going to argue with you Tamas. I'm sure in your warped sense of what constitutes a good game of EU, your actions were rational and sensible.
The kind of game you're setting up for simply doesn't interest me.
I think this is the first time I've ever seen France, Austria, Italy and Spain allied for a single purpose. From that point of view, it's pretty funny, really. Fucked up, but funny.
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
I'm not going to argue with you Tamas. I'm sure in your warped sense of what constitutes a good game of EU, your actions were rational and sensible.
The kind of game you're setting up for simply doesn't interest me.
:huh:
Yeah, my aim is to build the strongest world power over time within the EU3 mechanics with the added difficulty, flavor, and fun of other majors being ran by humans.
Your ultimate goal indeed seem to be PvP, while that is just a means to an end for me. On this we surely disagree and these are merely personal tastes.
Quote from: Tamas on January 31, 2010, 03:18:36 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
I'm not going to argue with you Tamas. I'm sure in your warped sense of what constitutes a good game of EU, your actions were rational and sensible.
The kind of game you're setting up for simply doesn't interest me.
:huh:
Yeah, my aim is to build the strongest world power over time within the EU3 mechanics with the added difficulty, flavor, and fun of other majors being ran by humans.
Your ultimate goal indeed seem to be PvP, while that is just a means to an end for me. On this we surely disagree and these are merely personal tastes.
I understand.
That is actually very helpful. Instead of considering you a complete idiot, I can simply conclude that the kind of game play you're after is something diametrically opposed to what I am after, and enjoy the wisdom of my decision.
Quote from: Octavian on January 31, 2010, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Viking on January 31, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 31, 2010, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: ulmont on January 31, 2010, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 31, 2010, 12:40:39 PM
Well we now need a sub or a new ottomon player :wacko:
That was fast.
Slargos can't handle getting gangbanged apparently.
Tell me more.... any shemales with strapons?
Why would shemales need strapons?
For double penetration.
LOL note to self: never play Diplomacy with Slarg.
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 02:59:10 PM
I'm not going to apologize for quitting a game where you assemble a coalition that doesn't even break sweat taking me down. What's the fucking point?
I should've known better than to participate in a Languish game.
Won't make that mistake again.
:lol: Really only way to respond to such sillyness
Quote
Honestly, Spain and Austria were by far enough to take me apart, and I would've accepted that and moved on, but when I saw Milan and France join in the frenzy aswell, it just removes the fun for me, and if I'm not having a good time I'm not going to set aside time for it.
So you wouldn't have enjoyed a OE/France/Milan vs Austria then? As that is what you've been trying to get to happen for last 3 sessions?
You are so full of shit Slargy
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
I think this is the first time I've ever seen France, Austria, Italy and Spain allied for a single purpose.
Pff, it happened in Languish Universalis III, againt poor little Holland :cry:
Quote from: Seen on January 31, 2010, 05:30:38 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
I think this is the first time I've ever seen France, Austria, Italy and Spain allied for a single purpose.
Pff, it happened in Languish Universalis III, againt poor little Holland :cry:
I remember that well.
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 02:59:10 PMWhine, bitch, moan.
So you're just an overgrown child with an inability to accept a defeat and move on. You should go back to single player where you will always win. :)
Quote from: katmai on January 31, 2010, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: Seen on January 31, 2010, 05:30:38 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
I think this is the first time I've ever seen France, Austria, Italy and Spain allied for a single purpose.
Pff, it happened in Languish Universalis III, againt poor little Holland :cry:
I remember that well.
I vaguely recall that one. Super Hans was fun though, the world united and then was crushed.
QuoteThen I get an offer from you, which is along the lines of "CHOOSE YOUR SIDE I DEMAND YOU!!!"
QuoteYou react by being totally pissed and not willing to negotiate.
QuoteAnd what I was offered in exchange of that massive and suicidal undertaking? Nothing, except the hope of not upsetting you any more.
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Quote from: Seen on January 31, 2010, 05:30:38 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
I think this is the first time I've ever seen France, Austria, Italy and Spain allied for a single purpose.
Pff, it happened in Languish Universalis III, againt poor little Holland :cry:
What a vast surprise that this should be standard fare in languish games. :lol:
Quote from: Habbaku on January 31, 2010, 06:18:46 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 02:59:10 PMWhine, bitch, moan.
So you're just an overgrown child with an inability to accept a defeat and move on. You should go back to single player where you will always win. :)
:rolleyes:
If you're going to stack the deck against me, don't be surprised that I don't want to play with you.
The kind of gang rape you people set up will never be fun for any victim, period.
Your attitude blows chunks, nigger.
Quote from: katmai on January 31, 2010, 05:26:54 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 02:59:10 PM
I'm not going to apologize for quitting a game where you assemble a coalition that doesn't even break sweat taking me down. What's the fucking point?
I should've known better than to participate in a Languish game.
Won't make that mistake again.
:lol: Really only way to respond to such sillyness
Quote
Honestly, Spain and Austria were by far enough to take me apart, and I would've accepted that and moved on, but when I saw Milan and France join in the frenzy aswell, it just removes the fun for me, and if I'm not having a good time I'm not going to set aside time for it.
So you wouldn't have enjoyed a OE/France/Milan vs Austria then? As that is what you've been trying to get to happen for last 3 sessions?
You are so full of shit Slargy
:lol:
A coalition war where he would've been supported by Spain, and an army that would be about evenly matched with our combined forces? Yeah, the situations are completely analogous. :lol:
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 09:39:15 PM
:lol:
A coalition war where he would've been supported by Spain, and an army that would be about evenly matched with our combined forces? Yeah, the situations are completely analogous. :lol:
And you know this how?
I'm really disappointed in you Slargy, but you've decided to go this route, have fun and don't let the door hit your ass on way out. :)
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 09:37:47 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 31, 2010, 06:18:46 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 02:59:10 PMWhine, bitch, moan.
So you're just an overgrown child with an inability to accept a defeat and move on. You should go back to single player where you will always win. :)
:rolleyes:
If you're going to stack the deck against me, don't be surprised that I don't want to play with you.
The kind of gang rape you people set up will never be fun for any victim, period.
Your attitude blows chunks, nigger.
See now, that just isn't very nice. You should apologize.
I would offer to sub but I'm not very good, it seems, as I've actually lost in single player. :P
Quote from: Liep on January 31, 2010, 11:20:07 PM
I would offer to sub but I'm not very good, it seems, as I've actually lost in single player. :P
:lol:
Depends who you played as :P
That's okay, Liep--Tamas and Kleves almost lost in MP against Burgundy. :P
If you really want in, I don't think anyone will mind a newbie.
So 6.30 Alaskan time is 16.30 CET? Superbowl party starts at 20.00 (which might be too early as chances are we'll be quite drunk at game time), so it should be possible.
Quote from: Liep on February 01, 2010, 12:34:05 AM
So 6.30 Alaskan time is 16.30 CET? Superbowl party starts at 20.00 (which might be too early as chances are we'll be quite drunk at game time), so it should be possible.
Habbaku usually abandons us for some other form of entertainment at 8PM so that should not be a problem either.
Heck, if you wish, one of us can send you the savegame, I am not against you running it as SP to try and get a grip on the über-badboy, damn the torpedoes approach Slargos was doing. Basically he ignored every concern on infamy and steamrolled toward India.
Looking at the map, Slargos gained enough in the east to offset his losses in the west. I don't get why he's hard charging for India this early. I'd polish off the hold outs in the mideast/cacuses first.
Quote from: Berkut on January 31, 2010, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 09:37:47 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 31, 2010, 06:18:46 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 02:59:10 PMWhine, bitch, moan.
So you're just an overgrown child with an inability to accept a defeat and move on. You should go back to single player where you will always win. :)
:rolleyes:
If you're going to stack the deck against me, don't be surprised that I don't want to play with you.
The kind of gang rape you people set up will never be fun for any victim, period.
Your attitude blows chunks, nigger.
See now, that just isn't very nice. You should apologize.
You're right.
I'm sorry, Habbaku. Your retard-ass behaviour in the game made me irritated, and your words inflamed a mild fury.
I should've said that you're a goat fucking cocaine snorter that should rightly die in a fire and burn in hell, since that would be far more in line with accepted Languish vernacular.
In conclusion,
My apologies.
That was unexpected. :P
I predict next gang rape victim to be: France. :frog:
War with Spain, Austria and Genoa while fighting off the OE in Alexandria.
Quote from: Vricklund on February 01, 2010, 05:40:07 AM
I predict next gang rape victim to be: France. :frog:
War with Spain, Austria and Genoa while fighting off the OE in Alexandria.
That is what makes Slargos look like such an assmonkey, is that we still have 300+ years to go and he was going to have chances of payback against us all at one time or another.
But NOOOOOOOOO!
well yeah, it is obvious I took a risk by making the turks a neighbor but seeing the road of advance for slargos I thought he could live with it.
It is an other question wether Habbaku was shifty enough to consider this when offering me the whole deal. But it does not matter much. I think the new OE player will have to try and finish the India conquest stuff, seeing how Slargos slashed and burned everything but land tech.
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 05:42:31 AM
Quote from: Vricklund on February 01, 2010, 05:40:07 AM
I predict next gang rape victim to be: France. :frog:
War with Spain, Austria and Genoa while fighting off the OE in Alexandria.
That is what makes Slargos look like such an assmonkey, is that we still have 300+ years to go and he was going to have chances of payback against us all at one time or another.
But NOOOOOOOOO!
Dude. The losses were minimal. OE can live without Alexandria, and certainly without a few poor balkan provinces. The guy who takes over OE is positioned to take Delhi and make my planned capital move there, and after heading into India will sit prettily. That's not the fucking point.
I quit because I have no intention of playing a game where France (of all fucking people mr "I am king maker and will sell my services to the highest bidder" IDIOT) and Italy ally with Spain and Austria to go after OE.
Quote from: Slargos on February 01, 2010, 07:12:43 AM
I quit because I have no intention of playing a game where France (of all fucking people mr "I am king maker and will sell my services to the highest bidder" IDIOT) and Italy ally with Spain and Austria to go after OE.
So you quit cause you are a fucking whiner we got that already.
Seriously that is about the dumbest thing I've read on Languish and considering the track record of this place that is saying something.
Quote from: Slargos on February 01, 2010, 07:12:43 AM
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 05:42:31 AM
Quote from: Vricklund on February 01, 2010, 05:40:07 AM
I predict next gang rape victim to be: France. :frog:
War with Spain, Austria and Genoa while fighting off the OE in Alexandria.
That is what makes Slargos look like such an assmonkey, is that we still have 300+ years to go and he was going to have chances of payback against us all at one time or another.
But NOOOOOOOOO!
Dude. The losses were minimal. OE can live without Alexandria, and certainly without a few poor balkan provinces. The guy who takes over OE is positioned to take Delhi and make my planned capital move there, and after heading into India will sit prettily. That's not the fucking point.
I quit because I have no intention of playing a game where France (of all fucking people mr "I am king maker and will sell my services to the highest bidder" IDIOT) and Italy ally with Spain and Austria to go after OE.
Dude WTF? At one hand you are calling me names becaus I, according to you, sealed your fate by joining the other side, then on the other hand you are calling me names because I asked for a price which fitted that very significance you attributed to the whole affair.
Again: you expected me to burn myself for you just because I was France and in your world of equal factions PvP EU3ing that's what I was supposed to do. Thats all you ever offered me. The privilege of playing my own role in your grand plans.
I'm no EU3 master but I don't understand what Slargos problem is. Is it really just being gang raped? Would Spain & Austria had been ok?
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 01, 2010, 07:36:23 AM
I'm no EU3 master but I don't understand what Slargos problem is. Is it really just being gang raped? Would Spain & Austria had been ok?
the last time he was attacked by Austria ALONE while he was focused on the east resulted in massive rape of Slargos. So I hope the non-Slargos population here understands my concerns when I faced an italy-spain-germany coalition in case of helping him out. For free.
Quote from: Tamas on February 01, 2010, 07:40:14 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 01, 2010, 07:36:23 AM
I'm no EU3 master but I don't understand what Slargos problem is. Is it really just being gang raped? Would Spain & Austria had been ok?
the last time he was attacked by Austria ALONE while he was focused on the east resulted in massive rape of Slargos. So I hope the non-Slargos population here understands my concerns when I faced an italy-spain-germany coalition in case of helping him out. For free.
:lol:
80% of my troops at that point were in Asia, he had a 2-1 manpower and troop advantage and I had just come out of a major war. It wasn't even a fight.
Solmyr can attest to the fact that I wanted a heads up fight with him last session, and I made it clear that if anyone else joined in I would immediately break off.
I don't enjoy gang rape games, it's that simple.
Quote from: Tamas on February 01, 2010, 07:32:43 AM
Quote from: Slargos on February 01, 2010, 07:12:43 AM
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 05:42:31 AM
Quote from: Vricklund on February 01, 2010, 05:40:07 AM
I predict next gang rape victim to be: France. :frog:
War with Spain, Austria and Genoa while fighting off the OE in Alexandria.
That is what makes Slargos look like such an assmonkey, is that we still have 300+ years to go and he was going to have chances of payback against us all at one time or another.
But NOOOOOOOOO!
Dude. The losses were minimal. OE can live without Alexandria, and certainly without a few poor balkan provinces. The guy who takes over OE is positioned to take Delhi and make my planned capital move there, and after heading into India will sit prettily. That's not the fucking point.
I quit because I have no intention of playing a game where France (of all fucking people mr "I am king maker and will sell my services to the highest bidder" IDIOT) and Italy ally with Spain and Austria to go after OE.
Dude WTF? At one hand you are calling me names becaus I, according to you, sealed your fate by joining the other side, then on the other hand you are calling me names because I asked for a price which fitted that very significance you attributed to the whole affair.
Again: you expected me to burn myself for you just because I was France and in your world of equal factions PvP EU3ing that's what I was supposed to do. Thats all you ever offered me. The privilege of playing my own role in your grand plans.
In a sense you are correct. I made my decision to quit when I noticed that Katmai was taking active part in the attack (which he'd claimed wouldn't happen, but that is not really the issue) and you had joined in aswell. The war was lost to Spanish naval superiority, nothing else. The war would have ended up the same way without your pathetic efforts.
A game where France, Spain, Austria, England and Italy spend the first 100 years allied is fucked up, there is no other way to describe it.
Your PVP analogy is good. You want a game of cooperative PVE, I am only interested in EU MP in so far as it is a game of competition between players.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 01, 2010, 07:36:23 AM
I'm no EU3 master but I don't understand what Slargos problem is. Is it really just being gang raped? Would Spain & Austria had been ok?
Yes. I fully expected to be attacked by Spain and Austria coming into this session, and I fully expected to lose. I've stated this point several times now so how it could be obscure is beyond me.
This kind of behaviour is why most campaigns on the EU forum have rules against forming these massive alliances, but I wrongly assumed such rules were not necessary since I generally optimistically believe that people like Tamas will understand that by aligning with their natural enemies they are only shooting themselves in the foot.
So if this grand alliance is so deadly to you, why did you let it happen?
Honest question - I don't relaly play EU3, but I do play plenty of MP games. If it is so terrible to have everyone come after you, why didn't you make sure that was not possible, either by buying someone off (like Tamas) or not painting yourself as such a huge target to being with?
Also, people who are even remotely familiar with Languish MP games really should know you should never, ever, EVER trust Habs. Ever.
The only time....no, not even then, actually. Never.
NEVERNEVERNEVER.
Just saying. Don't.
Quote from: Slargos on February 01, 2010, 08:18:51 AM
In a sense you are correct. I made my decision to quit when I noticed that Katmai was taking active part in the attack (which he'd claimed wouldn't happen, but that is not really the issue)
I never made such claims. :lol:
the more you post the more bs you spout. for your own sake you best stop now.
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2010, 08:30:39 AM
Also, people who are even remotely familiar with Languish MP games really should know you should never, ever, EVER trust Habs. Ever.
The only time....no, not even then, actually. Never.
NEVERNEVERNEVER.
Just saying. Don't.
He says the same about you.
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2010, 08:30:39 AM
Also, people who are even remotely familiar with Languish MP games really should know you should never, ever, EVER trust Habs. Ever.
The only time....no, not even then, actually. Never.
NEVERNEVERNEVER.
Just saying. Don't.
He says the same about you.
Key difference being that he lies, and I mostly do not.
Mostly.
My faction PvP analogy seems to be good on your take of the game but PvE is very bad on mine. You see the fine point of a game like EU3 is that there are many areas of PvP conflict.
When I decided to hand Picardy over to England for his help against burgundy, that was me losing a fight, in a way. When I grabbed Antwerp from the noses of Austria and England that was a little victory for me. The -in his mind- careful advance of Austria is a long match with every german minor vassalized or annexed a little victory for Solmyr, against us, not against the AI.
When you chased me into a deal with my "natural enemies" that was a clear loss for you. Wether me and Habs will continue to grow together, competing by grabbing other stuff or we we will go to war eventually, is an ongoing "PvP match" and eventualy will be decided by who stands stronger at the end of the game, and is influenced by the actions of others at least as much as our own.
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2010, 08:30:39 AM
So if this grand alliance is so deadly to you, why did you let it happen?
Honest question - I don't relaly play EU3, but I do play plenty of MP games. If it is so terrible to have everyone come after you, why didn't you make sure that was not possible, either by buying someone off (like Tamas) or not painting yourself as such a huge target to being with?
Also, people who are even remotely familiar with Languish MP games really should know you should never, ever, EVER trust Habs. Ever.
The only time....no, not even then, actually. Never.
NEVERNEVERNEVER.
Just saying. Don't.
Hell, even I know that.
Quote from: Slargos on February 01, 2010, 08:21:49 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 01, 2010, 07:36:23 AM
I'm no EU3 master but I don't understand what Slargos problem is. Is it really just being gang raped? Would Spain & Austria had been ok?
Yes. I fully expected to be attacked by Spain and Austria coming into this session, and I fully expected to lose. I've stated this point several times now so how it could be obscure is beyond me.
This kind of behaviour is why most campaigns on the EU forum have rules against forming these massive alliances, but I wrongly assumed such rules were not necessary since I generally optimistically believe that people like Tamas will understand that by aligning with their natural enemies they are only shooting themselves in the foot.
Your biggest failing is thinking such alliances are static.
And as Berkie said your diplomacy sucked if we are to believe Tamas.
I never gave you any assurances that I wouldn't go to war against you and you never asked for any.
But if you hadn't ended up being the bitch you could have gotten payback in sessions down the line.
So in the end, thanks for showing how you'd act now instead of later.
Quote from: The Brain on January 31, 2010, 04:44:09 PM
LOL note to self: never play Diplomacy with Slarg.
Backstabbing fucker. I just wish I had stabbed him first.
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 09:39:15 PM
A coalition war where he would've been supported by Spain, and an army that would be about evenly matched with our combined forces? Yeah, the situations are completely analogous. :lol:
Your army alone was equal to mine in size, and with far better leaders.
Quote from: Slargos on February 01, 2010, 07:12:43 AM
I quit because I have no intention of playing a game where France (of all fucking people mr "I am king maker and will sell my services to the highest bidder" IDIOT) and Italy ally with Spain and Austria to go after OE.
With your kind of infamy grabbing the same thing would have happened in SP. :P
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 01, 2010, 07:36:23 AM
I'm no EU3 master but I don't understand what Slargos problem is. Is it really just being gang raped? Would Spain & Austria had been ok?
Slargos failed at diplomacy, pure and simple. Diplomacy is essential for countries that cannot simply dig in on the outskirts, like England and Spain. While OE isn't in a very central position, it's going to be a likely target for western Christians if it expands too aggressively. It doesn't help if you piss off Austria enough that they join the mega-war against you; I'm not touting my own horn here, but I was still uncertain about joining the whole crusade thing right up to the point where Slargos basically said he wants to fight me no matter what.
One of my major concerns with the whole deal, in fact, was my concern that I get dragged in, and Solmyr realizes this is as good a chance he gets to cut me down a bit. :P
SO is the basic crux of this that Slargos expects everyone to match off in pseudo-even little contests, so the fights will be however he defines "fair"?
I mean....MP games don't work that way - at least not with competent players.
Quote from: Slargos on February 01, 2010, 08:14:39 AM
:lol:
80% of my troops at that point were in Asia, he had a 2-1 manpower and troop advantage and I had just come out of a major war. It wasn't even a fight.
Solmyr can attest to the fact that I wanted a heads up fight with him last session, and I made it clear that if anyone else joined in I would immediately break off.
I don't enjoy gang rape games, it's that simple.
I can attest to that, which is exactly why I hurried into an alliance with Spain. You seem to labor under the impression that in EU3 games everyone must fight one on one and totally fairly. That's not how it worked historically or otherwise. :P There was absolutely no use for me to enter into a prolonged war against you that I would likely eventually lose due to your leader advantage.
Quote from: HVC on January 31, 2010, 07:03:23 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 31, 2010, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: Seen on January 31, 2010, 05:30:38 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 31, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
I think this is the first time I've ever seen France, Austria, Italy and Spain allied for a single purpose.
Pff, it happened in Languish Universalis III, againt poor little Holland :cry:
I remember that well.
I vaguely recall that one. Super Hans was fun though, the world united and then was crushed.
I wish we had posted the AARs and game thread archive on a more reliable site :P
Well, at least now that this has fallen apart, Habs can get back to doing what is important - losing France to the triumphant armies of the Western Allies.
You're up! And it seems like your erstwhile partner is kind of listening...
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2010, 11:22:51 AM
You're up! And it seems like your erstwhile partner is kind of listening...
"Kind of" is certainly apt. Apparently, it's sound strategy to place a 25/7 max/minimum range artillery unit just close enough to be useless, but not far enough so that it won't be swept up by the British advance.
See you in Caen!
What is this Normandy game of which you speak?
When it comes to Languish multiplayer games, it certainly pays to vet your opponents beforehand.
Quote from: Delirium on February 01, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
What is this Normandy game of which you speak?
The GMT Battle for Normandy.
http://www.gmtgames.com/p-213-the-battle-for-normandy.aspx
Quote from: Delirium on February 01, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
When it comes to Languish multiplayer games, it certainly pays to vet your opponents beforehand.
I dunno, there is some real value in watching a grown man emo-ragequit over a game. If you are too careful in who you play with, you just don't get that kind of quality amusement.
It's entertaining for us because we didn't put the hours into the game that they did. I will admit I'm mightily entertained though.
Quote from: frunk on February 01, 2010, 04:02:05 PM
It's entertaining for us because we didn't put the hours into the game that they did. I will admit I'm mightily entertained though.
Well yes, that is true.
I thank you all, especially Slargos, for investing so much time in our amusement, even if it was entirely unintentional.
Quote from: frunk on February 01, 2010, 04:02:05 PM
It's entertaining for us because we didn't put the hours into the game that they did. I will admit I'm mightily entertained though.
Eh, I am bummed if we can't find a permanent OE as I'd like to see how I can fare with a Milan/Italy as a Colonial power (if I was lucky enough).
But if not we've already discussed interest in another MP from the group sans Slargy.
We will be continuing, find a sub. :mad:
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 01, 2010, 04:25:54 PM
We will be continuing, find a sub. :mad:
Liep said he will play this Sun, but no idea if wants/interested in continuing past that.
Hope you guys can continue playing until at least one more player ragequits (I'm thinking katmai by preference). I'd step in an help you out, except my EU3 installation has never worked (in fact, it bluescreens me, which i didn't think was even possible any more) and so i have never been able to play even solitaire.
I've enjoyed all the posts. Even the "I am so being diplomatic, you fucking douche bag!" ones.
:lol:
Senor Blue, you don't know me very well if you think I'd ragequit a game.
If grumbler thinks that the guy consistently waking up at 6:30 on Sundays the most likely to do so, however, then we're in good shape. :P
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 04:26:34 PM
Liep said he will play this Sun, but no idea if wants/interested in continuing past that.
Yeah, we need to find out if he just wants to jump into a session or make this an ongoing thing. I don't think anyone actually expects Liep to jump in permanently, but he'd certainly be welcome if he thinks he can consistently make the times.
If he cannot, however, I think we should press on with six and a 1492 start with the usual powers : Spain, Portugal, France, England, Ottomans and Austria. I'm open to suggestion about start date if anyone prefers an earlier one, though and I don't think the powers are necessarily locked in.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 01, 2010, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 04:26:34 PM
Liep said he will play this Sun, but no idea if wants/interested in continuing past that.
Yeah, we need to find out if he just wants to jump into a session or make this an ongoing thing. I don't think anyone actually expects Liep to jump in permanently, but he'd certainly be welcome if he thinks he can consistently make the times.
If he cannot, however, I think we should press on with six and a 1492 start with the usual powers : Spain, Portugal, France, England, Ottomans and Austria. I'm open to suggestion about start date if anyone prefers an earlier one, though and I don't think the powers are necessarily locked in.
FFS 6:30 am isn't early enough for you!!!!
Careful, Kat, you'll confuse the Euros. :P
Quote from: Delirium on February 01, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
What is this Normandy game of which you speak?
As Ulmont posted, it's
The Battle for Normandy.
If you're interested, do let me know. It'd be fun to play a team campaign with a competent teammate. :)
Quote from: Habbaku on February 01, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
Quote from: Delirium on February 01, 2010, 03:34:06 PM
What is this Normandy game of which you speak?
As Ulmont posted, it's The Battle for Normandy.
If you're interested, do let me know. It'd be fun to play a team campaign with a competent teammate. :)
Looks Purdy.
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 06:39:51 PM
Looks Purdy.
It is rather well-done, artistically. Of course, that's somewhat irrelevant since it achieves what few monster games do--it's playable. The rules do take a bit of reading and re-reading, not to mention trial and error, but they are rather slender and the concepts aren't difficult at all. In addition, if
taught, they're very easy to learn.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 01, 2010, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 06:39:51 PM
Looks Purdy.
It is rather well-done, artistically. Of course, that's somewhat irrelevant since it achieves what few monster games do--it's playable. The rules do take a bit of reading and re-reading, not to mention trial and error, but they are rather slender and the concepts aren't difficult at all. In addition, if taught, they're very easy to learn.
Yeah just dl'd the pdf showing the invasion example from GMT
I would be willing to get another BfN team game going. Lord knows the current one is crawling along slowly enough these days.
I'd be a better sub if we could push the start time a few hours (kat, you can just stay up, no?). And I really don't know my working times on sundays more than a week ahead, so can't make it permanent.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 01, 2010, 06:37:37 PMAs Ulmont posted, it's The Battle for Normandy.
If you're interested, do let me know. It'd be fun to play a team campaign with a competent teammate. :)
The guys over here are just getting their copies now so I didn't think you'd be up and running already. Sometimes I forget our continents differ. If it's cyberboard and the rules digestable I'm certainly up for a game. Will check it out.
:hmm: Is there any point to playing ze Germans, victory conditions-wise, or it's just for the heck of being pwned?
Well, it's149 bucks to preorder so let's hope they got the victory conditions balanced up or else it's a pretty expensive masochist toy.
Quote from: katmai on February 01, 2010, 04:45:00 PM
:lol:
Senor Blue, you don't know me very well if you think I'd ragequit a game.
You don't think I chose your name by chance, do you?
Quote from: Tamas on February 02, 2010, 03:50:59 AM
:hmm: Is there any point to playing ze Germans, victory conditions-wise, or it's just for the heck of being pwned?
Playing the Germans you get to run the insanely OP Panzer divisions though.
Time's ticking, folks, and it doesn't look like we're going to find a permanent sub unless someone steps forward.
Do we want to just start afresh with a 1492 campaign this week? Anyone opposed? How do we want countries assigned, if so?
I'd say random.
I don't know if I'm interested.
Well the intention is if starting over to have you not so far away since you were pretty much playing SP :P
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 04, 2010, 12:26:00 AM
I don't know if I'm interested.
Why wouldn't you be? With an 1492 start you have player interaction right away, something which was clearly missing fromy our muscowy game :P
I say random countries but not the same ones again for anyone.
Well how about all who want to play in another game state for sure by tomorrow night, that way we can do random assignments so folks have fri-sat to take a look at their prospective country?
As of right now it's
Tamas
Habbu
myself as yes
alci-maybe
Sol? Kleves?
Anyone else interested?
I'm theoreticall fine with a new game (though I don't see why we can't continue this one, Alci could take over OE?).
It'll have to be "mostly" random though, since I have no desire to play Austria again, nor France (and not too keen on OE either). So England, Spain, or Russia for me.
I'm happy with Russia, I'm 50 years away from constant exposure to the West. I don't know why you guys want to move me, I'm happy with the game we have. If you want to move anyone to OE, move the people who are bored of our game.
If Alci is gung-ho about continuing the game we already have, I am more than fine with that. I'd much rather continue than lose Alci.
So, we really have three decisions : have Liep sub for OE this week and hope for someone permanent to come along (maybe recruit someone off of the Paradox forum?),someone else can move over to take the OE for the remainder or, lastly, we just continue with the OE as AI after this week.
Opinions?
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 04, 2010, 10:30:02 AM
I'm happy with Russia, I'm 50 years away from constant exposure to the West. I don't know why you guys want to move me, I'm happy with the game we have. If you want to move anyone to OE, move the people who are bored of our game.
I predict Alci will be rage quitter #2 when his LT 6 Russia gets it's ass handed to him by Sol.
:P
And to answer your post Habbu.
Well it realistically comes down if we don't get a 7th, the only one who can move over is me since the rest of the countries shouldn't be AI controlled, and frankly I'd have to play save (which i don't have) to see how much of slash and burn to tech's that Slargy did to know if I want to try and take over.
I recall glancing at the OE after that debacle and seeing that they were doing pretty well on techs--they were Westernized, after all, but had not yet reformed the military.
The only sticking point would be that you're going to start at stability -2 at the outset and that your WE is pretty high. Of course, if you do make the switch, I'm willing to end the war immediately and give a 10-year guarantee of non-interference so that you can recover. Note : freeing some vassals (Persia, Baluchistan, some of the Afghan minors?) would help immensely with keeping order.
My preference is also continuing the game.
I think we need to try to recruit someone off of the paradox forums personally, but I don't know anyone over there.
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 04, 2010, 04:22:27 PM
I think we need to try to recruit someone off of the paradox forums personally, but I don't know anyone over there.
You've got a good chance of getting a shark if you recruit there, I must note.
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 04, 2010, 04:22:27 PM
I think we need to try to recruit someone off of the paradox forums personally, but I don't know anyone over there.
Odds are low of that happening for a few reasons :P
Quote from: ulmont on February 04, 2010, 04:47:18 PM
You've got a good chance of getting a shark if you recruit there, I must note.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
:lol:
You already *have* a shark.
And if you don't know who it is, you are the chum in the water.
I knew i couldn't trust Kleves.
Right, so I say we stick with Liep this week and let him get the Turks back on the rails, then send out the recruitment net next week.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 04, 2010, 08:05:36 PM
Right, so I say we stick with Liep this week and let him get the Turks back on the rails, then send out the recruitment net next week.
Fine by me, but i'm not staying up all night to play per Liep's idea. I have a super bowl part to attend afterwards :p
Quote from: Habbaku on February 04, 2010, 07:10:26 PM
Quote from: ulmont on February 04, 2010, 04:47:18 PM
You've got a good chance of getting a shark if you recruit there, I must note.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
Ask for Elcyion or Von_Rundstedt.
Quote from: ulmont on February 04, 2010, 08:12:47 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on February 04, 2010, 07:10:26 PM
Quote from: ulmont on February 04, 2010, 04:47:18 PM
You've got a good chance of getting a shark if you recruit there, I must note.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
Ask for Elcyion or Von_Rundstedt.
Von_Rundstedt just took a permanent role in the EU3 game that runs as the same time as the one here. The Heir Apparent game.
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2010, 08:31:55 PM
Von_Rundstedt just took a permanent role in the EU3 game that runs as the same time as the one here. The Heir Apparent game.
Aww.
Would he have made us all gang up on him at some point?
Quote from: Habbaku on February 04, 2010, 08:44:22 PM
Would he have made us all gang up on him at some point?
Yeah, although I remember him as a bit more subtle than Elcyion.
Quote from: katmai on February 04, 2010, 08:06:50 PM
Fine by me, but i'm not staying up all night to play per Liep's idea. I have a super bowl part to attend afterwards :p
I meant stay up saturday for you, so we can start around 13 or 14 CET. I have a superbowl party too at 19 :P
Quote from: Liep on February 05, 2010, 03:41:01 AM
Quote from: katmai on February 04, 2010, 08:06:50 PM
Fine by me, but i'm not staying up all night to play per Liep's idea. I have a super bowl part to attend afterwards :p
I meant stay up saturday for you, so we can start around 13 or 14 CET. I have a superbowl party too at 19 :P
Uh last i looked 14:00 CET is midnight here, doubt you are gonna get Kleves, Alci and Habbu to start game at 1am, 3am and 4am respectively :P
I have a superbowl party im hosting at my house tomorrow after the game, I think you'll be fine. :lol:
I'm fine with continuing or restarting. I'm not fine with starting the game at 1am Sunday morning.
Right, so, 10:30 AM tomorrow? Let's try and get started on time this week.
I'll be there on time, i wanna see who rage-quits this week!
Liep, I hope you have Steam :P If yes let us know your nick there.
5 mins till game start and no Liep or Alci :(
Still waiting on liep..
Sorry Liep, we have decided on restarting.
Aww, I thought you already decided on that. Which suited me fine as I need to be out of here in an hour or so. Sorry. :(
Liep your suckitude knows no bounds.
Fun session, no big upheveals (1492 start) except that Kleves vonHabsburg of Austria not only inherited Cleves (hehe) but Bavara as well. :huh:
I wanna see a map of the French and English empires!
Here's a screenshot of the world situation at the end of the session (note, France has a good share of the West Indies islands--Trinidad, etc--but my shot is a bit too low-resolution to show it) :
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And here's one of the respective economies :
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi14.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa313%2FHabbaku%2F1529money.jpg&hash=7f9c54165047b41c29fa5b93e79b5ba3ff87233e)
I don't have time for in-depth commentary or any more screens at the moment, but I can at least note that I think both Spain and Castille are going to regret spreading so quickly--England to a lesser extent. Your tech costs are going to be increased quite a bit and those provinces aren't exactly rich at the moment.
Yes Alci is doubly fucked!
I'm sure you meant Spain and I :P
I thought I was doing well, but the damned frogs are richer than me. There's no beating those bastards. <_<
Any chance of a manpower/army size chart, Habs?
Kleves vonCleves, the world trembles before your White blobiness, but sure seems we need to force Tamas to rage quit, who's with me?
Yeah, I meant Portugal and Spain. Both of you should probably slow down and consolidate for a session before expanding any further, in my opinion. Too much at once and you're going to end up way behind in tech relative to me, Kleves and the Ottomans, should they Westernize.
Anyhow, here are the respective armies and navies :
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Of note, Austria maintains easily the largest army and manpower reserve--an easy task when you're the Emperor and hold Greater Bavaria as well as the entirety of the Low Countries--but that France's army, while relatively modest, has the manpower reserves to meet the Emperor man for man, if need be. Castille is predictably anemic and will likely never reach such vaunted heights and Portugal doesn't even register, naturally. The Ottomans, meanwhile, have the luxury of having an army large enough to defend against any power singularly and, with but a single ally of the other major powers, to best a challenger to their territory.
The less said about England the better.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi14.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa313%2FHabbaku%2F1529navies.jpg&hash=4a269071b1200ce9241696aefa0820c410e53324)
Speaking of England--their navy does rule supreme, for the time being, but as always, a relatively weak economy cannot hope to maintain the narrow gulf between pretenders to naval dominance such as France.
Wooo I don't have the smallest Navy!
Quote from: katmai on February 07, 2010, 11:38:24 PM
Wooo I don't have the smallest Navy!
Yeah, that's something I recommend that Alci rectify immediately. Castille/Spain needs a navy large enough to keep their colonies maxed out on tariff efficiency, at the very least. I also noticed when we were playing that he was having pirates pop up. The easiest way to prevent that is to make sure you have a single ship stationed in every sea zone (NOT every port)--that will prevent them from even appearing.
Worrying about other things at the moment :)
Yeah i'm patrolling off South America and when we ended had ships being built in all of Portugal.
Who is playing which country now?
France = Habbaku
England = Solmyr
Castille = Alci
Portugal = Katmai
Austria = Kleves
Ottomans = Tamas
For use as a benchmark, here are the starting manpower/economies for the 1492 scenario (note that the economics doesn't include much in the way of trade income) :
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi14.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa313%2FHabbaku%2F1492money.jpg&hash=6f73cd59bc040874893f269c955223b9576904ca)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi14.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa313%2FHabbaku%2F1492armies.jpg&hash=d9fd78b8ab733bbbdc40e7038d88dc7c66e3c654)
Quote from: Habbaku on February 08, 2010, 12:33:43 AM
France = Habbaku
England = Solmyr
Castille = Alci
Portugal = Katmai
Austria = Kleves
Ottomans = Tamas
Thanks (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.backupot.com%2FSmileys%2Fclassic%2Fgreat.gif&hash=16908de3a1a71ef03ee203011db10d5f8f4f9913)
England is also the first major protestant power (unless one counts Poland as major), which probably fucks me over and places me at the mercy of the RNG for the foreseeable future until I can convert enough provinces to protty. :P
How fitting you use the same thread for a new game. :P
Looks interesting again with France focusing on a colonial empire, will be following :)
So the French are the richest nation in the world, with the manpower of Austria, and the navy of England. Wow. Thank God Karl was porking his Bavarian cousin.
Quote from: Kleves on February 08, 2010, 10:30:23 AM
So the French are the richest nation in the world, with the manpower of Austria, and the navy of England.
All is right with the world.
More seriously, I think that as far as EU III goes a navy should be seen as merely an expression of a nation's economy. A rich nation can afford (and should afford) a navy large and powerful enough to protect its shores. Unless a country is nearly-completely landlocked, it cannot afford to have an anemic navy in comparison to its potential enemies--if it eschews a proper fleet, it'll be at the mercy of a stronger fleet like we saw happened to Slargos' Ottomans.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 08, 2010, 11:24:17 AM
More seriously, I think that as far as EU III goes a navy should be seen as merely an expression of a nation's economy. A rich nation can afford (and should afford) a navy large and powerful enough to protect its shores. Unless a country is nearly-completely landlocked, it cannot afford to have an anemic navy in comparison to its potential enemies--if it eschews a proper fleet, it'll be at the mercy of a stronger fleet like we saw happened to Slargos' Ottomans.
How is that different from eu2, or reality? :D
-_- Just trying to explain to Kleves--or anyone--why I made the choice to expand the navy so much.
Yeah and with this latest EU installment you have to be very mindful navy-wise against the AI as well. I think it does it by cheating, but it has become very effective in seeking a decisive engagement on favourable terms, and the invasions can be quite good (it's like it knows when your fleet sets sail or something).
Even in this MP game, I prepared my anti-Venice war throughly with ample "garrison fleets" cutting off the various straights and such right from the get go.
As Ottomans, my fleet (not to mention my army) could be a lot bigger, but there has been no need and with being quite aristocratic, and having the national idea of half-cost ships, I can remedy that pretty fast.
The whore Empress of Castille is the worst monarch even possible in the game, it's ridiculous. She's worse than regency councils and shes lasted 30 years already. :yuk:
I could "Claim Throne" and enforce a personal union on Castille, if you prefer. ;)
Go for it, but a coalition may be formed since the fear of France is rising. :P
A fear of France is warranted, to be sure, but in light of the Emperor's virtual equality in arms and money (and this without a single reform passed) a coalition war against her would be ill-advised. France is only interested in the balance of power and ensuring that no one nation grows large enough to dominate the continent.
Not to say that attempting to gain a personal union over Spain wouldn't be amusing, mind you...
It would be :lol:
Quote from: Habbaku on February 08, 2010, 07:03:21 PM
A fear of France is warranted, to be sure, but in light of the Emperor's virtual equality in arms and money (and this without a single reform passed) a coalition war against her would be ill-advised. France is only interested in the balance of power and ensuring that no one nation grows large enough to dominate the continent.
Doesn't this describe France already though? I don't know EU3 really, but the SSs so far look like they are running away with the game.
They would be, were it not for Austria. The Kaiser is all that stands between Europe and the horrors of French domination.
:yes:
Same time tomorrow, yes? :bowler:
Yes
Quote from: Habbaku on February 13, 2010, 01:49:54 PM
Same time tomorrow, yes? :bowler:
What time is that again?
10:30 AM EST. More realistically, 10:45 as someone will be late.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 13, 2010, 06:22:29 PM
10:30 AM EST. More realistically, 10:45 as someone will be late.
:goodboy:
:goodboy:
Game is up, let's join
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Solmyr/Languish/EU3_MAP_mp_1559.png
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:P
South Africa speaking Portuguese, such a beautiful sight :weep:
Fun session, culminating in Kleves von Austria whipping my Ottoman ass, then proceeding to defeat my ally France, together with the help of Spain.
The funniest twist during the game, however, -which also shows just how asewome the non-historical monarchs system is- happened unkown to everyone but Habbaku and me.
You see by the start of the session, I had my general plan well laid out: Cut back on Poland with the help of Austria (Polacks had Transylvania and such back then), then proceed to break our deal regarding Hungary and eat it up, before or during Habbaku's France attacks Austria (which is a monster so we had to try).
Kleves did not manage to get a CB against Poland so I went in alone. It went surprisingly easy. Then the moment I made peace with the Polacks, Hungary declared war on me, drawing Naples in as well who at that time controlled southern Italy, Ragusa and Montenegro.
So everything went according to plan. Then... the French king died with his heir being a young kid, so a regency council took power, rendering Habs unable to declare war. Our plan of surprise double attack went right out of the window, but only by the time I already had all of Hungary under control, just waiting to peace out Naples first. So needless to say Kleves was growing restless over the fact I have his share of the Magyars under control.
We had no choice but to form a Franco-Ottoman alliance openly, and hope Kleves would pull the trigger over his rage of my brake of treaty, but he was smarter.
And this was the point where we should have abandoned or changed our plans.
But we did not, and Kleves obviously knew what we were up to, and had time to prepare.
Love the colonial map. :)
My favorite part of EU games has always been how to watch the colonial race. I love the changes made in EU3 in regards to colonial ranges and such. Always annoyed me to see people grabbing asian possessions in 1430 and such. It feels much more of a gradual buildup rather than a race to certain predetermined provinces.
Good game so far.
Quote from: Tamas on February 14, 2010, 04:19:06 PM
The funniest twist during the game, however, -which also shows just how asewome the non-historical monarchs system is- happened unkown to everyone but Habbaku and me.
Though having an 18-year regency (the kid was 0 years old when my king died) was actually pretty amusing (the best laid plans of mice and men...), the funniest twist, by far, was England falling to religiously-inspired rebels and being force-converted into an Archbishopric.
We had a crash several years after England lost their little civil war (though not before one of the revolter colonies defected to France) and decided that it'd be too hampering of Sol to keep him as an Archbishopric. So, with a little editing, the Tudor dynasty was reinstated to the crown of England with a warning that divine intervention wouldn't happen a second time.
Screenshots of the economy and such will follow now, but I will only have time for commentary later tonight.
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No surprises here... ;)
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Nor here...
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The funniest thing is that so far every English monarch has been named Henry. Henry XI just died, and there is a regency for his heir Henry XII.
:lol: 50 galleys from Turks.
So really France has largest Navy in world....barely
Only 6 big ships for the UK. :weep:
Unsurprisingly, the most growth in this session was done by France and Austria with ~53% each. The former due to intense investment in manufacturies throughout the nation and, of course, steady growth in the colonial sphere (such as seizing the rich islands of the Caribbean and more coastline settlement of Quebec). Austria's growth is likely due to much the same reason, but also due to further encroachment into Hungarian, Polish and Bohemian territory--something that should be watched closely, considering the richness of those lands.
What should be a bit more surprising, though, is the fact that Spain (27% growth) has actually fallen behind little Portugal--easily the largest grower in percentage, at 83% of their former economy--in terms of income. This is, of course, partially due to the fact that Castille was under possibly the worst ruler of all time for a good 40-odd years, but is also due to the troubles that they've had managing their vast, colonial empire. Time will tell if things turn around for the beleaguered Spanish (perhaps with the new king being reared?). The Portuguese have done well for themselves and, as the naval statistics show, their navy is easily the strongest in the world with only France posing a potential threat--and not much of one, considering half her ships are light barques rather than main-line warships.
Elsewhere, England has seen better days, though did exhibit respectable growth (39%) despite the immense amount of trouble they had this session. Surely, soon enough, their navy will join the great powers of Europe and stand strong against those who would threaten their growing strength.
Holy Portugese Navy Batman! :o
As for my 50 galleys, they are more than adeqaute for the opposition I usually face: Mameluk ports to blockade, pirates, and AI nations with miniscule navies trying to sneak-invade.
Quote from: Tamas on February 15, 2010, 02:44:56 AM
Holy Portugese Navy Batman! :o
As for my 50 galleys, they are more than adeqaute for the opposition I usually face: Mameluk ports to blockade, pirates, and AI nations with miniscule navies trying to sneak-invade.
Oh no don't get me wrong, if i was OE it would be my tactic as well. My first look at ledger was holy shit, then i saw the force composition.
As to my Blue Water fleet, it's the only horse i can bring to this race. My manpower is like a 10th of the major powers :lol:
And i need the fleet to get maximum gain of all the overseas colonies. :)
Oh and by the way, AI Russia will cause many problems for me and Austria. I saw their armies when they pwnd my Crimean allies in the Polack War, and god damn they were huge.
Well may be an excuse to ally with him eh?
:P
France and Austria are in a leauge of their own, the only way to re-trigger my involvement in their wars would be an Austrian effort to break the French neck, for example, a continued alliance with Spain.
Crusade!!!11
France will join this Crusade. :)
Quote from: Habbaku on February 15, 2010, 10:57:18 AM
France will join this Crusade. :)
Ha-ha very funny. After I had my army destroyed to help you out, in your "lolz I can do it alone, even" campaign. And I did not bail until the Austrians approached Greece and Istanbul. And yet, in my last post, I still stood by you demanding peace in our time by the breakup of the Franco-Spanish alliance.
It should be clarified that Great Britain intends to stay neutral in the affairs of the continent and hopes that balance can be preserved there.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 15, 2010, 11:24:46 AM
It should be clarified that Great Britain intends to stay neutral in the affairs of the continent and hopes that balance can be preserved there.
The only balance that needs preserving is ensuring that the Emperor doesn't grow too large--a feat that France attempted and was defeated while doing so. Peace will only be guaranteed when the Walloon people are freed of the Imperial yoke.
How come there is already a Great Britain?
They started again in 1492, according to the screenshot it is now 1559. That seems about right in game.
Quote from: Seen on February 15, 2010, 03:00:31 PM
How come there is already a Great Britain?
All that's required to declare it is a core on various provinces within the Isles--similar to the conditions the Iberians need to form Spain and the Slavs need to form Russia. It's pretty easy to form the cultural-unification countries; probably too easy.
I conquered Scotland early, and even though it rebelled in the meantime, I got the cores on it immediately after reconquering.
A right, thanks.
Not an eu3 player (yet) so was curious. :)
That was an interesting little war we had. Although Spain and I won the war, I wonder if we lost the peace.
It began with the France invading the low countries with around 30,000 men. Fortunately, they were outnumbered by the Austrian forces in the area, and, after a few months (and a few battles), the French army was chased reeling back into France. Around this time the French army appeared to be reinforced, but Austria reinforcements also arrived, leaving the situation not much changed. The French army was again repeatedly battered (but not destroyed :glare:) and retreated to the south. Nortern France was occupied, and Paris fell. France sued for peace, and the Austro-Spanish were leniet, letting them off with the loss of only two provinces (one of which Austria soon sold back to France).
On the Ottoman front, things went similarly well. The Turks invaded with perhaps 60,000 men. Within the space of a few months, all were dead, and Hungary was in Austrian hands (the Ottoman army was much easier to completely destroy than the French). The Ottoman Empire's back was broken. The Turks sued for peace (French forces were probably still fighting in the lowlands at this point), and again Austria took only a single province, even though the Turks had broken the long-standing treaty concerning Hungary.
Truly, the Kaiser was merciful. Perhaps too merciful. It may have been possible to have imposed much more punitive treaties on both France and the Turks. The Turks, however, escaped in part due to their rapid defeat; I wanted peace so that I could shift forces against France (although none of these forces ever actually fought the French). I did not have any desire for French territory, so after making sure that the Spanish were satisfied, I took only their Wallonian province, and, even then, I soon sold it back.
I would be curious to know if you guys think that not imposing harsher terms was a mistake. I would also be curious to know how the war progressed in Spain and the colonies. I only had time to glance at Spain briefly, and it seemed that the French had the Spanish on the run; but by the end of the war the Spanish appeared to be taking the offensive.
Wow, so Kleves kicked the shit out of Tamas and Habs?
Is that what I am hearing?
TO my 3rd party observations the war didn't reach the New world holdings at all. was all a Euro affair. (the only area the France and Spain are neighbors in North America are in West Indies)
Quote from: Berkut on February 15, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
Wow, so Kleves kicked the shit out of Tamas and Habs?
Is that what I am hearing?
With a little help from Alci yes.
Quote from: Berkut on February 15, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
Wow, so Kleves kicked the shit out of Tamas and Habs?
Is that what I am hearing?
The war was over within two years--and the fact that Tamas' lying to me about not making a separate peace is what made me refrain from fighting on--so wasn't all that decisive in the least. My forces were steadily advancing in Spain and there was little doubt that I would have won that one if Tamas hadn't backed out. Considering that, even with his victories, the Austrians were approaching something like 6.5% war exhaustion and you have a recipe for an eventual victory of the Franco-Ottoman alliance. Not even France can beat both Austria and Spain (with England making noises of joining in on the fun) by herself, though.
In the end, the only consequences of the war were that I found out how utterly unreliable the Turks are (a mistake that won't be made again), France ending up losing Navarra to Spain (something I was planning on selling them later anyway, as it's a relatively poor province and not of my culture) and paying a 1,000 ducat indemnity to the Austrians.
So, yes, Austria did, indeed, lose the peace. :frog:
Quote from: katmai on February 15, 2010, 09:14:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 15, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
Wow, so Kleves kicked the shit out of Tamas and Habs?
Is that what I am hearing?
With a little help from Alci yes.
Yes, tying down half of my army is a 'little' help. Mano-a-mano, I think I can tear the Austrians apart. Fighting a two-front war, though, isn't to my liking, so I made the reasonable peace offer and was glad to see that mess ended.
In other news, France is now best buddies with the Emperor. Anyone speaking of "balance of power" will be laughed out of the courts of Paris.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 15, 2010, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 15, 2010, 09:14:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 15, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
Wow, so Kleves kicked the shit out of Tamas and Habs?
Is that what I am hearing?
With a little help from Alci yes.
Yes, tying down half of my army is a 'little' help.
I didn't know how much of your forces were tied up with Spain, so erred on side of less than more in his contribution :P
And pretty sure I need to talk to Tamas and Alci about this troubling new alliance between Austria and France.
Good luck getting Tamas on board for anything. He'll end up having one half of his army fight the other, call it a contribution, then bail out of the war--and that's all within a month!
:D
Poor Tamas.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 15, 2010, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 15, 2010, 09:14:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 15, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
Wow, so Kleves kicked the shit out of Tamas and Habs?
Is that what I am hearing?
With a little help from Alci yes.
Yes, tying down half of my army is a 'little' help. Mano-a-mano, I think I can tear the Austrians apart. Fighting a two-front war, though, isn't to my liking, so I made the reasonable peace offer and was glad to see that mess ended.
In other news, France is now best buddies with the Emperor. Anyone speaking of "balance of power" will be laughed out of the courts of Paris.
I was just starting The Offensive in Spain when the war ended, I had 50,000 men mobilized by the wars end, was just getting them into position when it ended. :frog:
Quote from: Habbaku on February 15, 2010, 09:26:32 PM
Yes, tying down half of my army is a 'little' help. Mano-a-mano, I think I can tear the Austrians apart. Fighting a two-front war, though, isn't to my liking, so I made the reasonable peace offer and was glad to see that mess ended.
Interesting, considering that I just captured Paris using, essentially, 1/3 of my army. While fighting and winning a two-front war, of course. :P
QuoteIn other news, France is now best buddies with the Emperor. Anyone speaking of "balance of power" will be laughed out of the courts of Paris.
Indeed. While not allied, there seems little reason for the Kaiser and L'Empereur to be enemies.
The Kaiser is also open to any ideas that Europe believes may ensure peace in Christendom, and the balance of power between nations.
And on that note, I'm off to the Great White North for this year's NBW. I should be around Sunday and on time, per usual, but will let you guys know ASAP if not--and I'll attempt to find a sub in the latter case.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 16, 2010, 12:02:18 AM
And on that note, I'm off to the Great White North for this year's NBW. I should be around Sunday and on time, per usual, but will let you guys know ASAP if not--and I'll attempt to find a sub in the latter case.
I was wondering if your trip was gonna conflict with game, have a safe trip and fun time. :cheers:
Quote from: Habbaku on February 14, 2010, 06:19:53 PM
Quote from: Tamas on February 14, 2010, 04:19:06 PM
The funniest twist during the game, however, -which also shows just how asewome the non-historical monarchs system is- happened unkown to everyone but Habbaku and me.
Though having an 18-year regency (the kid was 0 years old when my king died) was actually pretty amusing (the best laid plans of mice and men...), the funniest twist, by far, was England falling to religiously-inspired rebels and being force-converted into an Archbishopric.
We had a crash several years after England lost their little civil war (though not before one of the revolter colonies defected to France) and decided that it'd be too hampering of Sol to keep him as an Archbishopric. So, with a little editing, the Tudor dynasty was reinstated to the crown of England with a warning that divine intervention wouldn't happen a second time.
Screenshots of the economy and such will follow now, but I will only have time for commentary later tonight.
Heirs take control once they reach 15, so your heir must have been -3 years old when your King died. :P
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 16, 2010, 12:34:02 AM
Heirs take control once they reach 15, so your heir must have been -3 years old when your King died. :P
Is it always 15? I thought I had seen a 14 year old become King, and another I thought was older than 15. I could have missed a Birthday or two though.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 16, 2010, 12:02:18 AM
And on that note, I'm off to the Great White North for this year's NBW. I should be around Sunday and on time, per usual, but will let you guys know ASAP if not--and I'll attempt to find a sub in the latter case.
Enjoy! Oh, and I wouldn't worry too much about a sub; we can just let the AI control France for awhile. ;)
Oh some nice talk about me going on while I sleep :P
To make the story nice and round: altough he did kept checking with me, Habs basic attitude toward this war was "well, join if you wish, but I will do it anyway". Arrogance toward Kleves? Could be. His big talk came to nothing. There was no progress by him whatsoever, except for a single spanish province won after a long time of fighting.
This was highly annoying because my entire warplan was not to conquer but to trigger a counterreaction from Austria so good old Habs could do his promised magic and pwn them. That counterattack I did get, in spades. Having not had the chance to westernize, it turned out I was in no shape to put up a resistance one-on-one.
So what I was seeing from where I was sitting, was a totally overwhelming Austrian offensive deep into my dear Balkans (at the time of peace, I had a single army of around 12k in Anatolia left) while no French progress worth speaking of.
of course, I could have blockaded Asia off and let Kleves sit in Istanbul, but -unlike Habbaku- I was fully aware just how small a force he needs to keep the sorry remnants of my army in check. I was not ready to ruin my economy for a war the French was poised to lose.
And when Kleves only asked for a single province.... He, who would refuse that when half of his country was under enemy control with his ally failing to gain ground, throw the first stone on me for the separate peace.
As for the future Ottoman stance on Europe: we are done there. We intend to keep our present territories, and will fight a savage war on anyone who tries to take them, but with French inability to project power, we consider the Austrian mastery of Central Europe a done deal, and count on the German Emperor as future help against the Russian hordes which gather on the eastern horizon, like distant descendants of Timur Lenk.
Hearing news of the French-Austrian friendship makes us content, we will leave the two forming coalitions of western powers to fight each other, while we tend to our business of building cities and worshipping Allah.
Disengaging from europe is all well and good, Turk- provided you cede to me the territories in Hungary guaranteed to me by our early treaty.
Quote from: Kleves on February 16, 2010, 11:51:49 PM
Disengaging from europe is all well and good, Turk- provided you cede to me the territories in Hungary guaranteed to me by our early treaty.
Why? For security, you don't need them. For finances, you don't need them. The only reason you need them is to be closer to my heartlands for a war of agression, so no, I will not cede them.
That Tams is a a tricksy hobbit!
Does he abide by ANY agreements he has made?
Quote from: Berkut on February 17, 2010, 08:38:35 AM
That Tams is a a tricksy hobbit!
Does he abide by ANY agreements he has made?
WTF are you talking about? Its pretty rare I do not honor agreements.
What I did was perfectly in line with the game. (especially in the austro-turkish conflict over hungary, where both sides broke treaties on multiple occassions :P )
When we made the deal Austria was less than half of what it is today, I needed a buffer zone. I worked for peace, you know :P
Given that you broke our long-standing agreement over Hungary (in an attempt to provoke war), and then invaded Austria, I do think there is a need for Austria to possess an adequete buffer in the east. Restoring the territories guaranteed to me by treaty would do this.
Quote from: Tamas on February 17, 2010, 08:46:41 AM
Quote from: Berkut on February 17, 2010, 08:38:35 AM
That Tams is a a tricksy hobbit!
Does he abide by ANY agreements he has made?
WTF are you talking about? Its pretty rare I do not honor agreements.
It's pretty rare that people can get ahead by NOT honoring an agreement (most of the time agreements are made so both sides benefit from honoring them), so pointing out that you only lie occasionally doesn't really absolve you of anything, tricksy hobbit.
*I* personally, never break agreements. Unless I have to, of course.
Quote from: Berkut on February 17, 2010, 09:32:25 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 17, 2010, 08:46:41 AM
Quote from: Berkut on February 17, 2010, 08:38:35 AM
That Tams is a a tricksy hobbit!
Does he abide by ANY agreements he has made?
WTF are you talking about? Its pretty rare I do not honor agreements.
It's pretty rare that people can get ahead by NOT honoring an agreement (most of the time agreements are made so both sides benefit from honoring them), so pointing out that you only lie occasionally doesn't really absolve you of anything, tricksy hobbit.
*I* personally, never break agreements. Unless I have to, of course.
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Quote from: Kleves on February 17, 2010, 09:23:41 AM
Given that you broke our long-standing agreement over Hungary (in an attempt to provoke war), and then invaded Austria, I do think there is a need for Austria to possess an adequete buffer in the east. Restoring the territories guaranteed to me by treaty would do this.
I am open to negotiations but I urge to not jump to false conclusions from this last war of ours. If you push me to a corner, I won't be as easy to take down.
Quote from: Tamas on February 17, 2010, 09:55:20 AM
I am open to negotiations but I urge to not jump to false conclusions from this last war of ours. If you push me to a corner, I won't be as easy to take down.
:jaron:
Quote from: katmai on February 18, 2010, 02:44:22 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 17, 2010, 09:55:20 AM
I am open to negotiations but I urge to not jump to false conclusions from this last war of ours. If you push me to a corner, I won't be as easy to take down.
:jaron:
:homestar:
What is this noise from the far outskirts of western europe? :yeahright:
Portugal just questions the bluster coming from Istanbul when the last time they fought the Austrians they were smashed and that was when he was fighting a two front war.
Hasn't the Turk learned it isn't smart to go against the :pope: ?
Quote from: katmai on February 18, 2010, 03:00:59 AM
Portugal just questions the bluster coming from Istanbul when the last time they fought the Austrians they were smashed and that was when he was fighting a two front war.
Hasn't the Turk learned it isn't smart to go against the :pope: ?
All I was saying is that Austria should not assume that he achieved an unconditional surrender from me, because he did not.
Quote from: katmai on February 18, 2010, 03:00:59 AM
Portugal just questions the bluster coming from Istanbul when the last time they fought the Austrians they were smashed and that was when he was fighting a two front war.
Hasn't the Turk learned it isn't smart to go against the :pope: ?
But a war is always costly and time consuming. It could allow the dirty :frog: to catch up.
Pfft France couldn't even handle the ineffectual Spanish.
Quote from: katmai on February 18, 2010, 03:23:12 AM
Pfft France couldn't even handle the ineffectual Spanish.
that, is true.
I got your ineffectual right here. <_<
Alternatively, Turk, I suppose you could simply release Hungary , and perhaps some other Balkan states, as vassals.
Portugal hopes that Austria and Ottomans can work it out, but if they can't we look forward to show and will sit idly by off the coast eating popcorn.
Quote from: Kleves on February 18, 2010, 08:54:40 PM
Alternatively, Turk, I suppose you could simply release Hungary , and perhaps some other Balkan states, as vassals.
Actually, I would be happy to release Hungary as vassal, but considering just what a HUGE swat of land that is, I will need an international treaty guaranteeing the independence (well, my vassalage over) Hungary. And I do mean formal guarantees up until 1821, by at the very least France.
You would have Spanish Guarantees for the independence of Hungary, Belgium style. :cheers:
PEACE IN OUR TIME!
Alright, once France and Austria also confirms their guarantees, I am happy to signt he deal and release the Magyars.
One more (obvious) condition though: NO ROYAL MARRIAGES WITH HUNGARY!
I'll royal marriage Hungary to guarantee their independence. I Am: The Arbitrator. :bowler:
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 19, 2010, 09:36:04 AM
I'll royal marriage Hungary to guarantee their independence. I Am: The Arbitrator. :bowler:
You can guarantee their independence without that :P I dont want a massive inheritance next to me. No RMs.
Gotta compromise to get what you want. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 19, 2010, 06:34:06 PM
Gotta compromise to get what you want. :rolleyes:
I am: I am releasing roughly one third of my realm. Please allow me to set some conditions for that.
Before anyone agrees to his "conditions", I just wanted to point out some earlier posts:
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That Tams is a a tricksy hobbit!
Does he abide by ANY agreements he has made?
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It's pretty rare that people can get ahead by NOT honoring an agreement (most of the time agreements are made so both sides benefit from honoring them), so pointing out that you only lie occasionally doesn't really absolve you of anything, tricksy hobbit.
Quote from: Jaron on February 20, 2010, 03:35:29 AM
Before anyone agrees to his "conditions", I just wanted to point out some earlier posts:
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That Tams is a a tricksy hobbit!
Does he abide by ANY agreements he has made?
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It's pretty rare that people can get ahead by NOT honoring an agreement (most of the time agreements are made so both sides benefit from honoring them), so pointing out that you only lie occasionally doesn't really absolve you of anything, tricksy hobbit.
What exactly do posts of Berkut have to do with Tamas's diplomacy?
He is untrustworthy and will lie in order to take another crack at Vienna. :(
Austria will make no promises, and accept no conditions. We are all well aware of how that worked out last time. With that said, Austria has no plans to attack a vassalized Hungary.
Quote from: Kleves on February 20, 2010, 11:44:59 AM
With that said, Austria has no plans to attack a vassalized Hungary.
Well of course not as it will be your vassal. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Kleves on February 20, 2010, 11:44:59 AM
Austria will make no promises, and accept no conditions. We are all well aware of how that worked out last time. With that said, Austria has no plans to attack a vassalized Hungary.
To expect me to secede a third of my country with nothing in return is ridicoulous. Hungary remains under my direct control.
And as for the future, I have no plans in Europe, but I will not be an Austrian lapdog either. Any agression against my Empire will be very costly for the Ausrians.
You have admitted that Hungary is worthless to you, and yet you want ironclad protection for releasing it. Given your propensity to break your treaties if they become even slightly inconvenient to you, I will not be giving you my word in exchange for your "worthless" sacrifice.
Now, with that said, releasing Hungary would remove Austria's main grievance against the Ottoman Empire, and greatly ease our strained relations.
Quote from: Kleves on February 20, 2010, 01:18:57 PM
You have admitted that Hungary is worthless to you, and yet you want ironclad protection for releasing it. Given your propensity to break your treaties if they become even slightly inconvenient to you, I will not be giving you my word in exchange for your "worthless" sacrifice.
Now, with that said, releasing Hungary would remove Austria's main grievance against the Ottoman Empire, and greatly ease our strained relations.
Yes but unless I get international guarantees, releasing Hungary equals giving it to you. So I am not pulling you on my neck even more just because you ask me to.
How does releasing Hungary equal giving it to me? Is it even possible to RM someone else's vassals? Regardless, the current situation is intolerable to the Kaiser. The Sultan can either release Hungary, and continue to benefit from its vassalage or... not.
Quote from: Kleves on February 20, 2010, 01:48:17 PM
How does releasing Hungary equal giving it to me? Is it even possible to RM someone else's vassals? Regardless, the current situation is intolerable to the Kaiser. The Sultan can either release Hungary, and continue to benefit from its vassalage or... not.
You don't get it. You are not offering anything to me. If I release Hungary and you decide to come agaisnt me (us) you will be much faster at my gates thanks to that weakling Hungary. If I dont get international guarantees about Hungary's status, I am much safer just keeping it and weathering out the storm you may bring.
Let's make a deal here, and don't dictate stuff to me.
You don't get it. I cannot trust you. We had a deal, and I followed it to the letter. You broke it in an attempt to draw me into a war which I would lose. When I still did not take the bait, you invaded Austria with France. I can make no deal with you, because I cannot trust you to honor it.
The deal is this: release Hungary, and Austria has no reason to fight you. This would restore my trust in the Sultan. Honestly, I am no more or less likely to attack a vassalized Hungary than I am an Ottoman-controlled Hungary.
Quote from: Kleves on February 20, 2010, 05:14:53 PM
You don't get it. I cannot trust you. We had a deal, and I followed it to the letter. You broke it in an attempt to draw me into a war which I would lose. When I still did not take the bait, you invaded Austria with France. I can make no deal with you, because I cannot trust you to honor it.
The deal is this: release Hungary, and Austria has no reason to fight you. This would restore my trust in the Sultan. Honestly, I am no more or less likely to attack a vassalized Hungary than I am an Ottoman-controlled Hungary.
We will have to wait for Habbaku as well but I dont see why a "demilitarized" Hungary is bad for you. If I get a guarantee on this by France and Spain, I'll agree to not station troops in Hungary unless a rebellion must be put down which would threaten regime change. That way, you would know I am about to double cross you the moment I pop up next you on Hungarian territory.
Quote from: Tamas on February 20, 2010, 05:39:01 PM
We will have to wait for Habbaku
How long do we have to wait :(
:P
Quote from: Kleves on February 20, 2010, 05:14:53 PMHonestly, I am no more or less likely to attack a vassalized Hungary than I am an Ottoman-controlled Hungary.
I can't see how this statement could possibly induce Tamas to release Hungary.
Sorry, guys, but I'm not going to be able to play tomorrow (today) and I wasn't able to swing a substitute, either. Though I'd prefer we just skip the week and get back to normal the next, I understand if you want to play the session without me and just leave France AI for the round.
Of course, if someone wants to sub, please feel free.
I'd rather skip a week than go ai france :o
I'm ok with skipping, since the first thing AI France does is declare war on Great Britain. :P
Quote from: Solmyr on February 21, 2010, 06:22:38 AM
I'm ok with skipping,
Sounds good to me since i'm still awake :P
Quote from: Solmyr
since the first thing AI France does is declare war on Great Britain. :P
And Colonize South America
So are we skipping this week? <_<
You faggots.
And maybe a notice before 230am ? Fucking asshole :mad:
Well yeah, AI France is not an option :(
Maybe ill start deciding not to show up, let you all know 4 hours before game time because im out drunk with my friends. Tards
I, for one, would be fine with an AI France. :)
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 21, 2010, 10:17:24 AM
Maybe ill start deciding not to show up, let you all know 4 hours before game time because im out drunk with my friends. Tards
Quit whining like a little bitch alci.
Habbu mentioned in his last post before leaving that he would let us know as soon as possible if he couldn't make it.
Dude, 7 hours before the game starts is not realistically " As soon as possible."
Tard. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 21, 2010, 10:54:52 AM
Dude, 7 hours before the game starts is not realistically " As soon as possible."
Tard. :rolleyes:
FFS how did we win in Iraq with cry babies like you?
Ragequit!
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 21, 2010, 10:54:52 AM
Dude, 7 hours before the game starts is not realistically " As soon as possible."
Tard. :rolleyes:
Yes it is, maybe he just figured it out 5min before posting it? How do you know?
Quote from: katmai on February 21, 2010, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 21, 2010, 10:54:52 AM
Dude, 7 hours before the game starts is not realistically " As soon as possible."
Tard. :rolleyes:
FFS how did we win in Iraq with cry babies like you?
It pisses me off when I come home early to do this and then we don't play pretty much without warning. Just like last weekend, I missed out on free court-side seats to the Illinois-Ohio state game. Just annoyed now, would have been real pissed off then.
:rolleyes:
Languish = FIAL
Ah, the often forgotten joys of Languish MP games :D
Question:
Is it the case that Tamas promised Kleves that he would not attack him, and then broke that promise? Is that what Kleves means when he says he cannot trust him?
And then, if I have this correct, Tamas conspired with Habs to attack Kleves, and promised Habs that he would not (once the fighting started) make any separate peace with Kleves. And then, of course, broke THAT promise?
So, if I have this correctly, he made a deal with Kleves, which he then broke making a deal with Habs, and then broke THAT deal by making yet another deal with Kleves?
Are there any deals that Tamas actually followed through on?
Quote from: Berkut on February 22, 2010, 09:24:00 PM
Question:
Is it the case that Tamas promised Kleves that he would not attack him, and then broke that promise? Is that what Kleves means when he says he cannot trust him?
And then, if I have this correct, Tamas conspired with Habs to attack Kleves, and promised Habs that he would not (once the fighting started) make any separate peace with Kleves. And then, of course, broke THAT promise?
So, if I have this correctly, he made a deal with Kleves, which he then broke making a deal with Habs, and then broke THAT deal by making yet another deal with Kleves?
Are there any deals that Tamas actually followed through on?
Sounds like the perfect monarch to me :lol:
If Tamas' realm prospers then he has acted wisely.
Quote from: Berkut on February 22, 2010, 09:24:00 PM
Question:
Is it the case that Tamas promised Kleves that he would not attack him, and then broke that promise? Is that what Kleves means when he says he cannot trust him?
And then, if I have this correct, Tamas conspired with Habs to attack Kleves, and promised Habs that he would not (once the fighting started) make any separate peace with Kleves. And then, of course, broke THAT promise?
So, if I have this correctly, he made a deal with Kleves, which he then broke making a deal with Habs, and then broke THAT deal by making yet another deal with Kleves?
Are there any deals that Tamas actually followed through on?
I made a deal about the partition of Hungary. It is a side issue but worth mentioning that after the deal, Kleves just kind of ignored Hungary, letting huge-ass Poland grab some of his share and in turn be bordered with me (plus annexing Transylvania) which caused some headache for me.
Anyways, later Kleves inherited half of Germany, and kept growing. Habbaku was very intent on breaking his power and I knew this was my one chance to make my European border safer.
For a detailed analysis refer to an earlier post of mine :P
As for the actual war, I know Habs was crying but at the point of my very cheap separate peace, there was maybe a month of time left I could had gained for France, crippling myself in the process. So I did which was benefical in the long run for both of us
So yeah, I broke the Hungary deal, but it was nowhere near a traditional Diplomacy backstabbing. During the war, I feel I served France's interest, as clearly I was more aware of the bigger picture than Habbaku was.
Quote from: Tamas on February 23, 2010, 02:39:44 AM
Quote from: Berkut
So, if I have this correctly, he made a deal with Kleves, which he then broke making a deal with Habs, and then broke THAT deal by making yet another deal with Kleves?
I made a deal about the partition of Hungary. It is a side issue but worth mentioning that after the deal, Kleves just kind of ignored Hungary, letting huge-ass Poland grab some of his share and in turn be bordered with me (plus annexing Transylvania) which caused some headache for me.
Anyways, later Kleves inherited half of Germany, and kept growing. Habbaku was very intent on breaking his power and I knew this was my one chance to make my European border safer.
For a detailed analysis refer to an earlier post of mine :P
As for the actual war, I know Habs was crying but at the point of my very cheap separate peace, there was maybe a month of time left I could had gained for France, crippling myself in the process. So I did which was benefical in the long run for both of us
So yeah, I broke the Hungary deal, but it was nowhere near a traditional Diplomacy backstabbing. During the war, I feel I served France's interest, as clearly I was more aware of the bigger picture than Habbaku was.
Translation:
Yes.
QuoteAre there any deals that Tamas actually followed through on?
This still remains unclear...
:rolleyes: Habbaku is a big boy you dont have to act all protective when he loses a war
Quote from: Tamas on February 23, 2010, 08:27:12 AM
:rolleyes: Habbaku is a big boy you dont have to act all protective when he loses a war
Oh please, this isn't about Habbaku, it is about you and your very amusing justifications for screwing people over. Apparently they should be thanking you for it!
Please continue, it isn't nearly as funny as the ragequit earlier, but it will have to do for the moment.
Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 23, 2010, 08:27:12 AM
:rolleyes: Habbaku is a big boy you dont have to act all protective when he loses a war
Oh please, this isn't about Habbaku, it is about you and your very amusing justifications for screwing people over. Apparently they should be thanking you for it!
Please continue, it isn't nearly as funny as the ragequit earlier, but it will have to do for the moment.
Heh. a stateman must make compromises.
Someone let me know when the next game is going to start up.
Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 10:25:57 AM
Someone let me know when the next game is going to start up.
I think the next ragequitter will be Alci.
Quote from: Tamas on February 23, 2010, 11:31:32 AM
Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 10:25:57 AM
Someone let me know when the next game is going to start up.
I think the next ragequitter will be Alci.
Yeah depending on Habbu, we might have spot open this Sun Berkie.
:P
Or you could play Russia in our game, even as AI it's kicking Tamas' butt. :P
Quote from: Solmyr on February 23, 2010, 12:10:37 PM
Or you could play Russia in our game, even as AI it's kicking Tamas' butt. :P
Ah yeah forgot about the Russians.
and Tamas, always getting his ass handed to him by the dreaded AI
Quote from: katmai on February 23, 2010, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on February 23, 2010, 12:10:37 PM
Or you could play Russia in our game, even as AI it's kicking Tamas' butt. :P
Ah yeah forgot about the Russians.
and Tamas, always getting his ass handed to him by the dreaded AI
I have never fought Russians :P They fought my AI ally Crimea
We could use a Russian player :)
I will : Ragequit :showoff:
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 23, 2010, 12:34:11 PM
We could use a Russian player :)
I will : Ragequit :showoff:
Since no one else has shown themselves able to stop Kleves i concur.
:P
Yes, we need a Russia, Berk.
We will be bestest buddies. :)
Quote from: Tamas on February 23, 2010, 12:39:39 PM
Yes, we need a Russia, Berk.
We will be bestest buddies. :)
Well if he were to agree i'd expect a French/Russian alliance in works.
Might give you and Kleves a reason to actually cooperate :P
So you guys are suggesting I take over Russia? Have they been AI controlled the entire time?
I am very new to EU3, I will probably completely fuck up a continental power.
Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 01:41:39 PM
So you guys are suggesting I take over Russia? Have they been AI controlled the entire time?
I am very new to EU3, I will probably completely fuck up a continental power.
I havent checked them in detail yet, but I did see they could field some huge armies, and with Poland's back broken, I dont think they have any real regional rival as of yet. I suggest you do some test runs with them, but you should not have big problems.
Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 01:41:39 PM
So you guys are suggesting I take over Russia? Have they been AI controlled the entire time?
I am very new to EU3, I will probably completely fuck up a continental power.
Hey i bought EU3 just to play in the last MP game so still a noob as well.
As for Russia, it has been AI the two sessions we've had, but iirc you don't have border with any other Human controlled nation to start, biggest threat would be Poland amongst AI controlled.
Hmmm, I can give it a try. Gotta check and see if I can set the time aside first though. Someone send me a game file.
I have no idea how the mechanics of MP work though - do you run at a fixed rate or something?
Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 01:45:29 PM
Hmmm, I can give it a try. Gotta check and see if I can set the time aside first though. Someone send me a game file.
I have no idea how the mechanics of MP work though - do you run at a fixed rate or something?
Yes, everyone pays a monthly fee as tribute to the Sultan :P
And on speed 3. 2 in case of a big war.
Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2010, 01:45:29 PM
Hmmm, I can give it a try. Gotta check and see if I can set the time aside first though. Someone send me a game file.
I have no idea how the mechanics of MP work though - do you run at a fixed rate or something?
Yeah it would be from like 10:30am-2:30pm Sundays.
Speaking of this Sunday, I am free to play longer than the usual 2:30 end-time, if you guys wish to do so.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 23, 2010, 06:53:23 PM
Speaking of this Sunday, I am free to play longer than the usual 2:30 end-time, if you guys wish to do so.
I should be able to do that.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 23, 2010, 06:53:23 PM
Speaking of this Sunday, I am free to play longer than the usual 2:30 end-time, if you guys wish to do so.
Cool.
Berkut, prepare!
A quick heads up, a good chance i won't be able to make the March 7th session, will know for sure by this Thur, so will try to let you guys know.
And Odds are good I'll miss the 14th.
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 24, 2010, 08:55:26 AM
And Odds are good I'll miss the 14th.
I WILL miss the 14th
Holy crap, Russia is fucking HUGE!
OK - what does it mean that I have a Crusade against Astrakhan?
It seems like my war exhaustion is insanely high. How bad is that? Kinda bad, or HOLYSHITENDTHEWARSRIGHTNOW bad?
Finally...wtf is the deal with the Ottomans having Crimea as a freaking Vassal? That is unacceptable!
Am.enjoying.thread
Carry on. If my Eu3 re-re-re-install didn't BSD my computer, even I would be tempted.
We could always use another. Use that teacher pay and get a new computer....or steal one. :cheers:
Quote from: Berkut on February 24, 2010, 10:13:04 PM
Holy crap, Russia is fucking HUGE!
And broke. Their inflation is high, their merchants isolated in Novgorod and their army/navy way too large to sustain. I suggest taking the hatchet to their military and getting their finances in order ASAP. That includes straightening their Stability (currently +1), then
immediately switching out the Merchant Adventures National Idea for National Bank to get the inflation reined in. On top of that, you need to Westernise whenever you're capable of doing so. Judging by your heir's stats (8-7-8!) it won't be long before you can. Just be prepared for the Stab hits, among other things...
QuoteOK - what does it mean that I have a Crusade against Astrakhan?
It means that they are of a foreign religion than your own (IE, Muslim--you won't get Crusades against other Christians), and that any war with them will only incur a 1 Infamy point-per-province rather than the usual 4 for taking non-core territory. Easy way to expand to the historical borders, in other words--and you'll notice that you have one against Sibir and Nogai, as well. I recommend knocking them around when you get the chance.
QuoteIt seems like my war exhaustion is insanely high. How bad is that? Kinda bad, or HOLYSHITENDTHEWARSRIGHTNOW bad?
It's nearer the latter rather than the former. Ending the wars you have and bringing your WE under control is of the utmost priority.
QuoteFinally...wtf is the deal with the Ottomans having Crimea as a freaking Vassal? That is unacceptable!
France endorses this line of thinking.
I'd think maybe very very small edits to help Russia out a bit, note that I haven't looked at the save though.
I think if Berkut is serious about playing then I'd be fine with some edits. -5% inflation and a couple of free slider changes, for example.
I think I am serious - with the caveat that I am a dad, so things will come up from time to time - birthdays, etc., etc.
Mrs. Berkut seems not overly thrilled, but accepting.
Acceptance is all we ask. Understanding would be nice, but is unnecessary.
I am fine with inflation edit, less so with slider changes.
And altough I am a bit worried about France's newfound zeal to bring us down -does not speak too high of their diplomatic abilities- Crime was an Ottoman vassal from gamestart, and I consider that more of a strain than a benefit, so for adequate compensation I am willing to take the prestige hit of leaving them to their own demise.
Quote from: Tamas on February 25, 2010, 02:16:03 AM
And altough I am a bit worried about France's newfound zeal to bring us down -does not speak too high of their diplomatic
ALLY OR ELSE
Quote from: Habbaku on February 25, 2010, 02:49:14 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 25, 2010, 02:16:03 AM
And altough I am a bit worried about France's newfound zeal to bring us down -does not speak too high of their diplomatic
ALLY OR ELSE
Ah, the Slargos school of diplomacy. LOL Can I be: Ragequit?
TO be honest, I was mostly kidding about the Crimea - I just noticed they were on my border and vassalized. I don't actually know if that is bad for me or not - certainly I don't think Russia is in any state to be taking on any new wars for a while.
How can I check the sliders without actually having one to change? The only way I have managed to ever see the slider interface is by clicking on the little banner when I can make a change.
What is this editing you guys are talking about anyway? Can you just manually change a save game? Less inflation certainly seems good. A slider change or two would likely be useful, since I doubt the AI has made sane choices there - I am guessing there is some semi-historical script it follows?
Also - Westernizing. Habs mentioned that - could someone explain what that really means? I saw that it comes with a -5 stab hit - that is insane. Am I just going to get raped the moment I press that button?
If we can edit the save files, can I just pick what national ideas I would like to have for Russia?
Or would that be too unfair?
Considering that Russia is ONE HUGE MOFUCKER, I am against the idea of you insta-optimizing them.
Quote from: Tamas on February 25, 2010, 09:21:12 AM
Considering that Russia is ONE HUGE MOFUCKER, I am against the idea of you insta-optimizing them.
What woul you consider insta-optimizing though?
Isn't the Ottomans already vastly more optimized than what we are talking about?
Honestly, I don't WANT Russia to be optimized - that would be kind of boring. I would like to not have to deal with them being ridiculously poorly optimized though, and spending the first several sessions just trying to get them playable. I am perfectly willing to admit that I don't know the game well enough to understand where the line is though, hence my question. Is being able to set their national ideas (for example) to something a player would actually choose a huge difference? Of course, the game started in 1492, so I guess everyone else has had to deal with less than optimal initial idea settings as well.
I realize you are their nearest neighbor, and hence have a vested interest.
And they are freaking huge, aren't they? But man, I think there are like two countries that I have decent relations with. Most hate me with a burning passion.
I think us non-Westernized no Latin tech types need to stick together though.
Quote from: Berkut on February 25, 2010, 09:05:13 AM
TO be honest, I was mostly kidding about the Crimea - I just noticed they were on my border and vassalized. I don't actually know if that is bad for me or not - certainly I don't think Russia is in any state to be taking on any new wars for a while.
How can I check the sliders without actually having one to change? The only way I have managed to ever see the slider interface is by clicking on the little banner when I can make a change.
Click on you flag/shield in the top left of the screen, then click on the little book icon. That will show you your sliders and NI's.
QuoteAlso - Westernizing. Habs mentioned that - could someone explain what that really means? I saw that it comes with a -5 stab hit - that is insane. Am I just going to get raped the moment I press that button?
The biggest advantage is it speed up your research.
http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Westernize
Regarding edits to Russia. I'd say take a look at what their NI were at 1492 start. I know I had some NI's that weren't ideal so had to bite the bullet of stab hits to change. Now if ai has added a new Ni since then maybe I could see that being edited.
Otherwise inflation edits seem fair, not so sure on slider changes.
Sounds like a good proposal to me, Katmai.
Quote from: katmai on February 25, 2010, 12:35:15 PM
Regarding edits to Russia. I'd say take a look at what their NI were at 1492 start. I know I had some NI's that weren't ideal so had to bite the bullet of stab hits to change. Now if ai has added a new Ni since then maybe I could see that being edited.
Otherwise inflation edits seem fair, not so sure on slider changes.
Good point. What year is it now anyway?
Can we just edit the tech levels a little bit?
I dont want to screw up Berkut's game, but if you want to re-enact what the AI did with Russia in terms of speed of expansion, you would not be in a much better shape. And thats with no bad random events assumed.
I mean, when I became an Empire, my 0 stability caused two "poor government policy" events to fire in very quick succession. Thats a choice between -500 golds or -2 stability. Now, the first one just about put me to zero treasury so when the second one came I had to choose between imminent bankrupcy or -2 stability. I went with the latter and it took a LONG TIME to get it back. All the while I tried to keep up with the expansion carefully balancing my infamy.
And I am sure most of us had similar happenings so while I strongly advocate cutting back on Russian inflation, and fixing NIs like katmai suggest, other changes would be very unfair to us others, imho.
Quote from: Berkut on February 25, 2010, 12:46:29 PM
Good point. What year is it now anyway?
Can we just edit the tech levels a little bit?
1559 iirc
Tamas does make a good point - Russia is huge, presumabkly because of the choices the AI made, so it would not be really fair to negate some of the negatives of those choices while leaving the positives.
I will be very content with a decrease in inflation, and getting to pick my own post 1492 NIs. The rest I will deal with as best I can.
Westeros would make such an incredibly awesome EU3 mod.
Quote from: Berkut on February 25, 2010, 01:19:58 PM
Westeros would make such an incredibly awesome EU3 mod.
Just delete all the countries not on the British Isles and call it a day.
Quote from: Berkut on February 25, 2010, 01:19:58 PM
Westeros would make such an incredibly awesome EU3 mod.
It made a sucky Total War mod.
OK, I just checked the NI thing.
Right now Russia has
National Conscripts
Merchant Adventurers
Military Drill
Military Drill is the only one they had added since 1492, and of course the one that I actually would probably want to keep.
Given the choice, I would ditch Merchants for National Bank.
If that is not acceptable, I would ditch MD for NB.
The sliders, to be honest, have all been moved since 1492 in rather sensible directions - not sure I would really do anything different than what the AI has already done. Should just leave them alone, I think. They were pretty attrocious in 1492, to be honest.
I can't believe you guys are buying the whole "oh I'm a total newb, please give me a break" line from Berkut. :ph34r:
Right, so, unless someone is opposed (Tamas?), we have the current changes to edit before Sunday :
Russian inflation -5%
Switch Russia's Merchant Adventures NI to National Bank
I think with those minor changes that things will be fine in the East. Tamas has ultimate veto on whether to do the NI switch.
Assuming everything's kosher, Tamas should go ahead and make the change in preparation for Sunday.
Quote from: Barrister on February 25, 2010, 05:50:21 PM
I can't believe you guys are buying the whole "oh I'm a total newb, please give me a break" line from Berkut. :ph34r:
Yes, my clever plan to never play the game so as to lull them into a sense of complacency is working perfectly!
Quote from: Barrister on February 25, 2010, 05:50:21 PM
I can't believe you guys are buying the whole "oh I'm a total newb, please give me a break" line from Berkut. :ph34r:
I figure he was the worst hunter and was carried in WoW by his guild, so can believe his line...
:P
What version of the game are you guys playing? (this "new" paradox thing of charging for patches has thrown me off lol)
Heir to the Throne.
It really is incredibly fun. I mean the SP is - hopefully the MP will be as well.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 25, 2010, 06:49:54 PM
Switch Russia's Merchant Adventures NI to National Bank
He's changing Military Drill, not Merchant Adventures, right?
Quote from: Berkut on February 25, 2010, 05:26:25 PM
Given the choice, I would ditch Merchants for National Bank.
If that is not acceptable, I would ditch MD for NB.
Quote from: Habbaku
Tamas has ultimate veto on whether to do the NI switch.
I don't know, Kleves, you tell me.
Quote from: Kleves on February 25, 2010, 11:44:39 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on February 25, 2010, 06:49:54 PM
Switch Russia's Merchant Adventures NI to National Bank
He's changing Military Drill, not Merchant Adventures, right?
Nice try, he wanted to switch merchant adventures for national bank, but if that was not acceptable then he wanted to switch military drill for national bank instead.
If I were Tamas I'd insist on the MD not the MA
Quote from: Habbaku on February 25, 2010, 11:52:14 PM
I don't know, Kleves, you tell me.
I didn't think we were giving him the choice. :P
Tamas won't mind either way.
Yeah I wont mind the merchant adventures change. Just tell me what to change where.
Quote from: Tamas on February 26, 2010, 02:33:55 AM
Yeah I wont mind the merchant adventures change. Just tell me what to change where.
In the save game search for
capital=295, assuming Moskva is the capital of Russia.
Search for
inflation to change that
Search for
legitimacy and the next line down will be the start of the National Idea section. Delete whatever you are getting rid of and add
national_bank=yes
Last request:
Can we run the game paused or very slow for a few minutes when we start, so I can get a bunch of adminstrative stuff sorted out without 48 popups about this army and that army and whoever went and got a new merchant or whatever?
Hell, can I run the save game paused myself, take care of my admin and such, and then just save it? I don't actually know how the mechanics of MP work.
Quote from: Berkut on February 26, 2010, 12:13:14 PM
Last request:
Can we run the game paused or very slow for a few minutes when we start, so I can get a bunch of adminstrative stuff sorted out without 48 popups about this army and that army and whoever went and got a new merchant or whatever?
Hell, can I run the save game paused myself, take care of my admin and such, and then just save it? I don't actually know how the mechanics of MP work.
Your settings regarding windows and messages should remain the same despite playing in MP
Berkie, we normally start at speed 2 at start to make sure we are all in sync. So I'm sure we can keep it at that or even speed 1 while getting things In order as long as you don take like 30 mins :p
Quote from: katmai on February 26, 2010, 01:24:14 PM
Berkie, we normally start at speed 2 at start to make sure we are all in sync. So I'm sure we can keep it at that or even speed 1 while getting things In order as long as you don take like 30 mins :p
Nah, I've kind of created a little checklist of things to do, actually. Should be ok.
He should be fine with the 20 seconds we usually wait for everyone to get in, and then speed 1-2 for a few minutes.
So yeah I won't be able to play next Sunday as working :(
We should definitely try to find a sub for you, then, so we aren't missing two weeks in a row.
Did you guys know that solmyr's England has 15% inflation while Russia has 12%? WTF
Still, the -5% and NI editing has been done.
Quote from: Tamas on February 28, 2010, 09:10:44 AM
Did you guys know that solmyr's England has 15% inflation while Russia has 12%? WTF
Having to deal with endless waves of rebels does that. :P
I hope berk has the newest patch, hamachi, steam etc. :wacko:
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 28, 2010, 10:20:38 AM
I hope berk has the newest patch, hamachi, steam etc. :wacko:
I do. Preparation is good.
Would switching patches mid-game screw things up?
I'm guessing we can check with loading a SP game and trying it out. I can do that with my current game.
Anyway, ze world:
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My goal next session: connect the two halves of the Austrian Empire.
Scary proposition.
My goal next session: create a proper fleet (appropriately enough, that's also my mission).
And try to disguise the horribly outdated British muskets.
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Not much has changed here, predictably--at least, nothing in the top two ranks. France and Austria continue to lead the pack, with France's manufacturies and colonies keeping her narrowly ahead of Austria's continental dominance. Spain and Britain, on the other hand, have finally achieved respectable economies of their own--both through colonial might rather than investment in the homeland, it seems. Well, that and the British insistence on driving out inefficient Catholicism in favor of the production bonuses of the Protestant confession.
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Here we see that France has bucked the trend of growing her army in favor of expanding her economy. With war seemingly nowhere on the horizon, a downsized military will surely reap benefits by allowing the men to till the soil and go into the new textile mills and wineries being established.
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As with the other categories, nothing has remained truly stagnant here, but things are very similar. Spain and Portugal continue to challenge France for the seas, as well they should considering their own, extensive colonial network. The British, meanwhile, are starting to creep into the upper ranks, where they will no doubt start to challenge the trio of naval powers for their own spot at the top.
Quote from: Kleves on February 28, 2010, 02:48:08 PM
My goal next session: connect the two halves of the Austrian Empire.
My goal next session : prevent this.
Quote from: Kleves on February 28, 2010, 02:40:01 PM
Would switching patches mid-game screw things up?
If you mean the new Beta patch that came out yesterday, then no it won't screw anything up. We just switched to that patch today in the MP game I am playing in.
Ottoman Empire is now Westernized, survived a very mild civil war, and with the income of two CoTs money is flowing in on acceptable scale.
We will need a sub for katmai next week because the week after that, I'll be in Barcelona so we should not skip two weeks.
How the fuck do I have a higher income than Spain? :huh:
In other news, British inflation has gone down from 15% to around 10% this session, with advisors and the newly instituted national bank working overtime to reduce it. Meanwhile, the Tudor dynasty died out, so there shall be no more Kings named Henry. The British Parliament chose the Protestant Austrian noble Maximilian von Habsburg to lead the British, thus establishing family ties between Great Britain and Austria. Whether this will reflect in any way on British continental policies (or lack thereof) remains to be seen. Maximilian followed the example of his Spanish cousins in appointing a female heir, his daughter Anne (luckily Anne seems to be more capable than Juana the Mad of Castile).
On the colonial front, the Creek and the southern Huron lands have been incorporated into the British Empire, and the Cherokee are widely regarded as the next likely target. French expansion to the mouth of the Mississippi has been viewed with some concern in London. Also, the first British African colony, Whydah, has been founded as a stepping stone to further eastern expansion.
Quote from: Solmyr on February 28, 2010, 03:17:57 PM
How the fuck do I have a higher income than Spain? :huh:
Trade income and tariff efficiency. I predict that, next session, Alci will be above you by a good margin.
Quote from: Tamas on February 28, 2010, 03:13:47 PM
Ottoman Empire is now Westernized, survived a very mild civil war, and with the income of two CoTs money is flowing in on acceptable scale.
We will need a sub for katmai next week because the week after that, I'll be in Barcelona so we should not skip two weeks.
I'll be in Colorado that week as well, and won't be able to make it either - just to reiterate.
Quote from: Habbaku on February 28, 2010, 03:35:50 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on February 28, 2010, 03:17:57 PM
How the fuck do I have a higher income than Spain? :huh:
Trade income and tariff efficiency. I predict that, next session, Alci will be above you by a good margin.
Yeah I was surprised when I saw your income Sol, good for you. But yeah as Habs said, my income should pick up nicely next session when I finish the subjugation of the Incas and convert them to the True Faith.
Would it be possible to get some screen shots of the graphs (especially army/navy/economy)?
I miss the in-depth analysis :(
Well, as expected my utter noobishness is apparent. Still dead last in income, tiny army, no navy. Spent most of the session putting down constant revolts.
It was your first session. ;)
That is really annoying that this fucking board will display a table perfectly in the edit screen, but fuck it up when it actually posts.
Quote from: Berkut on February 28, 2010, 09:18:57 PM
That is really annoying that this fucking board will display a table perfectly in the edit screen, but fuck it up when it actually posts.
It was a valiant effort, at least. :thumbsup:
I thought Alci was Moscow :hmm:
I did a little analysis of the income numbers, as they have changed since the last session.
Here are the numbers from Jan 1559:
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Here is income expressed as a percentage of the leaders income - IE, how far are you away from the winner?
Habs and Kleves are clearly running away with the game here, with everyone else have roughly half their income.
Here are the numbers at the end of the current session:
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Here we can see - who is catching up, if anyone is?
Obviously, Great Britain is the HUGE winner here, going from less than half of the leaders income to nearly 75%. Austria has slipped just a little bit, but not much. However, they are the only country who did not at least improve a little bit against the standard France has set. Spain has also seen a rather impressive move.
Of course, change doesn't mean much when the two leaders are still way, way, WAY out in front.
My poor Russia has improved, but not really by all that much. We continue to suck the hind tit.
Can someone explain inflation to me, as far as the game is concerned anyway?
I don't really see how it works, or what the levers on it are - but I do note that both Austria and France have a zero inflation.
Quote from: Berkut on February 28, 2010, 09:41:13 PM
Can someone explain inflation to me, as far as the game is concerned anyway?
I don't really see how it works, or what the levers on it are - but I do note that both Austria and France have a zero inflation.
Inflation accrues based upon a few factors : gold provinces in comparison to income (lots of gold vs. non-gold = inflation), minting (adjusting your treasury slider past the 0 marker), and negative events. Of the three, the only one that you ever need to concern yourself with if you aren't Spanish is minting. Moving past the 0 marker on your treasury slider will give you progressively more money as you push it past, but will also increase inflation by a variable--the max being 1%/year if you put the slider at its highest point.
What it does is increase the cost of
everything--tech, ship cost, buildings, troop raising, etc.--by the equivalent percentage. In other words, if you have, say, 10% inflation, your tech costs are going to be increased commensurately, leading to quite a bit of stagnation. On the converse, everyone will need minting at one time or another for a variety of reasons. I, myself, tend to keep the treasury slider at the .10 point so that I don't gain any inflation, but that I'm minting enough to gain a considerable amount of money over the course of a year. I find that minting a small amount like that enables me to stockpile a nice amount of gold for future building while taking only a minor amount out of my tech investments. YMMV.
I suggest, however, that if you're above 0% inflation, that you keep your treasury slider at nil so that it goes away ASAP. After that, you can afford to bring it up to the .10 level or beyond, depending on how much your National Bank and Centralization is counteracting it.
Quote from: Berkut on February 28, 2010, 09:41:13 PM
Can someone explain inflation to me, as far as the game is concerned anyway?
I don't really see how it works, or what the levers on it are - but I do note that both Austria and France have a zero inflation.
I can try and explain it...but would only betray my ignorance on the subject :P
Higher inflation means all research takes longer, and minting money/events and gold producing provinces are biggest reason for inflation.
I've never played Spain before in EU3, what kind of events will I be facing in regards to inflation, gold, stagnation, bankruptcy, etc. ?
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 28, 2010, 11:10:17 PM
I've never played Spain before in EU3, what kind of events will I be facing in regards to inflation, gold, stagnation, bankruptcy, etc. ?
I don't think there are any events specific to Spain; just watch your inflation like you would with any nation (especially because you will have a lot of gold producing provinces).
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 28, 2010, 11:10:17 PM
I've never played Spain before in EU3, what kind of events will I be facing in regards to inflation, gold, stagnation, bankruptcy, etc. ?
At your size, I don't think you're actually garnering any inflation due to gold. The problem arises when Spain, fresh out of the 1492 gate, conquers both the Inca and the Aztecs and gets all their gold provinces at once, which can cause inflation. Due to how many provinces you have, I don't think you're actually getting any.
The only thing you have to worry about is technological stagnation due to the sheer number of provinces you got at one time. I think you'll be hurting in comparison to the smaller, yet richer of us.
I suggest (if not too late) for all MPers to save a separate copy of their EU3 folder before applying teh patch, just in case.
Quote from: Tamas on March 01, 2010, 02:35:33 AM
I suggest (if not too late) for all MPers to save a separate copy of their EU3 folder before applying teh patch, just in case.
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Too late. :P
Now that I'm really getting into the game, I'm learning a lot about the underlying mechanics (yesterday I learned that 3000 latin infantry can slaughter 20000 Indians without taking a scratch :P). Maybe Habs can give us some strategy pointers about country management, since he seems to be the master? ;)
Btw, Tamas: Your civil war event must have been this: http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Civil_War!
You will need this to end it: http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Retreating_Rebels
Also, when we install the new patch, we should make sure we all either have or don't have the fixed French missions file (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10833259#post10833259), which changes the checksum.
I was a little dissapointed in Russia income - seems like I increased a bit, but that is likely mostly a result of simply taking more territory, rather than actually improving the internal running of the empire.
Westerniaztion is still, at a minimum, two or three more slider shifts away, so several decades.
Russia will continue to be the 800lb gorilla that cant get itself to stand up and walk in a straight line, and hence is no threat to the "real" powers in the game. I did beat up on that Danish invasion though! Go me!
I think it is likely time to start re-building the Imperial Army though - I slashed it from nearly 100k men to about half that. Fighting these revolts with show string armies has been rather annoying, although it has mostly worked. My concern is Sweden - if they attack, I could be in a lot of trouble.
Of course, if Austria decides to come after me, or the Ottomans, I am just totally fucked, but I don't think either of them have much to gain by that, since they both are probably hoping I might check the other at some point. Why beat up the guy in last place who has no idea what he is doing anyway?
Pointers are appreciated. I certainly do appreciate all the advice I've gotten so far.
OK, who is playing what now?
France - Habbaku
Austria - Kleves
England - Solmyr
Spain - Alcy
Ottoman - Tamas
Portugal - katmai
Russia - Berkut
Is that right?
Yes
Berk you'll be fine. Once you start getting upgrades in your provinces and start converting everything will fall into place. I was making a good deal of money and the amount I was getting at the end of the year was nearly 600 or so by 1530 in our other mp game when I was Russia, just takes some reforms and patience is all.
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 01, 2010, 02:19:20 PM
Berk you'll be fine. Once you start getting upgrades in your provinces and start converting everything will fall into place. I was making a good deal of money and the amount I was getting at the end of the year was nearly 600 or so by 1530 in our other mp game when I was Russia, just takes some reforms and patience is all.
600! Holy crap!
I was not aware that converting effected income. So much I don't know about this game.
I *just* moved my national focus toa new area, so I coudl continue land reforming. TOO BAD I DIDN"T KNOW ABOUT THE EFFING WEIGHTS AND MEASURES ND THAT REQUIRES YOUR FOCUS TO BE AT THE CAPITAL!!
:bleeding: x10
That is the kind of crap that annoys me. Habs is all "Dude, why haven't you done the weights and measures ND? You should do that! OH WAIT YOU CANT FOR ANOTHER 30 YEARS BECAUSE YOU JUST MOVED YOUR FOCUS! :lmfao:"
Why doesn't it show up as a ND anyway, with a pre-req not fulfilled, so I would know it was an option?
grumble, grumble, grumble.
You can also do ethnic cleansing around your national focus province :)
Quote from: Berkut on March 02, 2010, 09:58:48 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 01, 2010, 02:19:20 PM
Berk you'll be fine. Once you start getting upgrades in your provinces and start converting everything will fall into place. I was making a good deal of money and the amount I was getting at the end of the year was nearly 600 or so by 1530 in our other mp game when I was Russia, just takes some reforms and patience is all.
600! Holy crap!
I was not aware that converting effected income. So much I don't know about this game.
I *just* moved my national focus toa new area, so I coudl continue land reforming. TOO BAD I DIDN"T KNOW ABOUT THE EFFING WEIGHTS AND MEASURES ND THAT REQUIRES YOUR FOCUS TO BE AT THE CAPITAL!!
:bleeding: x10
That is the kind of crap that annoys me. Habs is all "Dude, why haven't you done the weights and measures ND? You should do that! OH WAIT YOU CANT FOR ANOTHER 30 YEARS BECAUSE YOU JUST MOVED YOUR FOCUS! :lmfao:"
Why doesn't it show up as a ND anyway, with a pre-req not fulfilled, so I would know it was an option?
grumble, grumble, grumble.
It's technically a province decision AFAIK.
Ok, can I get a definitive list of the patch(es) and checksums you guys are using Sunday?
1) As to patches, is it the 27 February beta + the fixed French missions?
2) What's the checksum?
3) Additional programs needed - Hamachi and Steam (just for chat), right? Can I get Steam without buying a game through it?
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 01, 2010, 11:39:41 PM
Quote from: ulmont on March 01, 2010, 11:20:42 PM
Don't you have each other on msn/gchat/aim/similar already?
Any way you can find out before Sunday so we don't put all of our eggs in one basket?
No (last 2 weekends something has come up no earlier than Friday at 8pm). If you can find someone else with a more solid commitment, I'll happily bow out.
Quote from: Sahib on March 02, 2010, 10:21:45 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 02, 2010, 09:58:48 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 01, 2010, 02:19:20 PM
Berk you'll be fine. Once you start getting upgrades in your provinces and start converting everything will fall into place. I was making a good deal of money and the amount I was getting at the end of the year was nearly 600 or so by 1530 in our other mp game when I was Russia, just takes some reforms and patience is all.
600! Holy crap!
I was not aware that converting effected income. So much I don't know about this game.
I *just* moved my national focus toa new area, so I coudl continue land reforming. TOO BAD I DIDN"T KNOW ABOUT THE EFFING WEIGHTS AND MEASURES ND THAT REQUIRES YOUR FOCUS TO BE AT THE CAPITAL!!
:bleeding: x10
That is the kind of crap that annoys me. Habs is all "Dude, why haven't you done the weights and measures ND? You should do that! OH WAIT YOU CANT FOR ANOTHER 30 YEARS BECAUSE YOU JUST MOVED YOUR FOCUS! :lmfao:"
Why doesn't it show up as a ND anyway, with a pre-req not fulfilled, so I would know it was an option?
grumble, grumble, grumble.
It's technically a province decision AFAIK.
Yeah, but it doesn't show up as a potential (even greyed out) province decision, because it requires bith national focus and the capital. Which is kind of stupid, btw - why should the capital have to be in the national focus to do this?
So unless you just know from experience, there isn't really any way to know that this option exists. And it is a pretty huge one. And I screwed myself because I just moved my focus over to Minsk or something like that, because I had no way of knowing that I needed to get it to St. Petersburg. Now I do though, I guess.
Quote from: Sahib on March 02, 2010, 10:21:45 AM
It's technically a province decision AFAIK.
Which is stupid, it should really be a national decision, since it has no province-only effect.
Anyway, you learn by playing, and occasionally by pumping Habs for info. :P
I actually have a bunch of random questions that I'm going to post now in hopes that Habs or someone can answer.
Which buildings are good where? I know their effects, but it's sometimes difficult to decide whether a particular building would be cost-effective for a given province. Constable, for example - just how low can the direct tax be before +50% to it is too inefficient? And what's the difference of customs house which gives +5% to local tax? Or courthouses, are they ever any good, since provinces usually either have no RR, or have a minimum RR that cannot be reduced?
Unit types, do you pick and choose them based on your strategy? I'm talking about ones that are options for the same tech level, like tecrio/maurician infantry. Or do you pick one and stick with it? Are they all useful somewhere, or is one of them clearly better than the rest?
How do you usually research? I tend to stick the entire income into one area, is that the best or do you divide between several?
National ideas: Is this about right? http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/National_Idea_review
Should I ditch Superior Seamanship as Britain since it sucks, or wait until I can implement "The Fleet is our Wooden Wall" decision which requires it?
Quote from: ulmont on March 02, 2010, 10:23:03 AM
1) As to patches, is it the 27 February beta + the fixed French missions?
We are likely using the new beta patch, I'm not sure about the mission fix, but we probably should use it.
Quoteglobal tax +5%
Global RR -0.5
Global trade +10%
Global production +10%
Holy crap - this is hugely beneficial! Why would anyone NOT do this as soon as they possibly can?
Can I get any traction for a request to manually move my national focus? I literally just moved it before we stopped Sunday. Had I known this was an option, there is not damn way I would have moved it where I did.
Does the NF have to be in the capital, or just adjacent to it to fire this?
Has to be the capital, yes.
Quote from: Berkut on March 02, 2010, 10:45:40 AM
Quoteglobal tax +5%
Global RR -0.5
Global trade +10%
Global production +10%
Holy crap - this is hugely beneficial! Why would anyone NOT do this as soon as they possibly can?
Can I get any traction for a request to manually move my national focus? I literally just moved it before we stopped Sunday. Had I known this was an option, there is not damn way I would have moved it where I did.
I was about 30 years behind everyone else doing it because I didn't know it had to be at your capital either. :)
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 02, 2010, 01:51:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 02, 2010, 10:45:40 AM
Quoteglobal tax +5%
Global RR -0.5
Global trade +10%
Global production +10%
Holy crap - this is hugely beneficial! Why would anyone NOT do this as soon as they possibly can?
Can I get any traction for a request to manually move my national focus? I literally just moved it before we stopped Sunday. Had I known this was an option, there is not damn way I would have moved it where I did.
I was about 30 years behind everyone else doing it because I didn't know it had to be at your capital either. :)
Great, so now it looks like I am 60 years behind. Did someone eventually tell you?
Kind of. Was wondering why I couldn't get it until i was enlightened.
At the moment I don't think I have any magistrates, so it would take me a couple years to get it even if I can beg a modification of my NF province to the capital.
Just get your nation into shape one at a time. Yeah you missed a big one but its not a game breaker and you'll get it in 30 years. Focus on converting and getting your nation into shape.
This is like Katmai's first couple of games so you're not the only greenhorn so no more woe is me. :P
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 02, 2010, 03:43:39 PM
Just get your nation into shape one at a time. Yeah you missed a big one but its not a game breaker and you'll get it in 30 years. Focus on converting and getting your nation into shape.
That is exactly what I am doing :P
Quote
This is like Katmai's first couple of games so you're not the only greenhorn so no more woe is me. :P
:cry:
Quote from: Solmyr on March 02, 2010, 10:32:52 AM
Which buildings are good where? I know their effects, but it's sometimes difficult to decide whether a particular building would be cost-effective for a given province. Constable, for example - just how low can the direct tax be before +50% to it is too inefficient? And what's the difference of customs house which gives +5% to local tax? Or courthouses, are they ever any good, since provinces usually either have no RR, or have a minimum RR that cannot be reduced?
It depends on the building. Workshops should be built
everywhere, even colonies, as they are, essentially direct additions to the base tax of a province. The other buildings are essentially basic math as to whether they're useful or not. I build Constables everywhere, since 50% is a fairly good bonus. Customs Houses, though, are simply not worth it except in your richest provinces--I built them anywhere making >10/month in tax and nowhere else. I build courthouses everywhere, as there are relatively few things you can do to ensure RR stays down when War Exhaustion starts piling up--a courthouse will buy you that much more time when a really bad war comes around.
QuoteUnit types, do you pick and choose them based on your strategy? I'm talking about ones that are options for the same tech level, like tecrio/maurician infantry. Or do you pick one and stick with it? Are they all useful somewhere, or is one of them clearly better than the rest?
I take whichever is the best, mathematically, by adding up all the unit attributes save for maneuver, but that's usually only good for the first rank of units with muskets. After that, you need to make a decision about whether you prefer defensively- or offensively-based units and stick with that, though you can change quickly (morale has to recover for a few months) so the decision isn't huge, either way.
QuoteHow do you usually research? I tend to stick the entire income into one area, is that the best or do you divide between several?
I do balanced research with slightly higher investment in areas I want to advance in. Government if a new Idea is soon to be available, Land and Naval for new units, etc.
QuoteNational ideas: Is this about right? http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/National_Idea_review
Should I ditch Superior Seamanship as Britain since it sucks, or wait until I can implement "The Fleet is our Wooden Wall" decision which requires it?
I would change it ASAP to something more useful. If you really want the Wooden Wall bonus later on, you can take Seahawks as an NI which is vastly superior.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 02, 2010, 04:37:30 PM
QuoteNational ideas: Is this about right? http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/National_Idea_review
Should I ditch Superior Seamanship as Britain since it sucks, or wait until I can implement "The Fleet is our Wooden Wall" decision which requires it?
I would change it ASAP to something more useful. If you really want the Wooden Wall bonus later on, you can take Seahawks as an NI which is vastly superior.
Only problem is that the decision requires both of these NIs, not just one. Although I guess -10% to ship construction speed isn't that huge?
Does it? Sheesh. That makes the decision a no-brainer, then--it's not worth getting.
Berkie is just good playing that aw shucks role
:P
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 02, 2010, 03:43:39 PM
Just get your nation into shape one at a time. Yeah you missed a big one but its not a game breaker and you'll get it in 30 years. Focus on converting and getting your nation into shape.
This is like Katmai's first couple of games so you're not the only greenhorn so no more woe is me. :P
:yes:
I played one sp game as Navarre for like 60 years and then one Castille game so I had a clue to sub for Habbu (who if asked will say I still didn't)
:P
Quote from: ulmont on March 02, 2010, 10:23:03 AM
Ok, can I get a definitive list of the patch(es) and checksums you guys are using Sunday?
1) As to patches, is it the 27 February beta + the fixed French missions?
2) What's the checksum?
3) Additional programs needed - Hamachi and Steam (just for chat), right? Can I get Steam without buying a game through it?
1) Yes to both.
Everyone involved in the game should patch to the 27th beta patch and get the French mission fix. This means you.2) CYLC.
3) Hamachi and Steam both, yes, though the latter just for pre-game chatting and in case we have to rehost. You can get Steam without buying anything through it--just go to the website and download their client.
Kat, seeing as how Ulmont may or may not be able to sub, I think you should post on the EU 3 MP boards to try to scare someone up.
Two things:
I'll get the mission fix for whenever we play next.
I'll post at p'dox but most likely can't do that till tomorrow night my time.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 02, 2010, 05:38:38 PM
Quote from: ulmont on March 02, 2010, 10:23:03 AM
Ok, can I get a definitive list of the patch(es) and checksums you guys are using Sunday?
1) As to patches, is it the 27 February beta + the fixed French missions?
2) What's the checksum?
3) Additional programs needed - Hamachi and Steam (just for chat), right? Can I get Steam without buying a game through it?
1) Yes to both. Everyone involved in the game should patch to the 27th beta patch and get the French mission fix. This means you.
2) EISH.
3) Hamachi and Steam both, yes, though the latter just for pre-game chatting and in case we have to rehost. You can get Steam without buying anything through it--just go to the website and download their client.
I had to buy a game, any game, to be able to chat with any one. Ended up buying stalker for $4, still annoying though.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 02, 2010, 05:38:38 PM
2) EISH.
With the 27 February beta + French missions fix, after deleting map\cache, restarting to regenerate map\cache, restarting, I get CYLC. This appears to be what others are getting based on this post:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10836993&postcount=60
Are you sure EISH wasn't pre-27 Feb beta and fix?
Yes, EISH was the pre-beta checksum.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 02, 2010, 09:29:50 PM
Yes, EISH was the pre-beta checksum.
Why tell me to look for a checksum for a version of the game I wouldn't be playing with?
What is the checksum I should have when I show up on Sunday, CYLC?
I was unaware the checksum changed.
New checksum is CYLC. I have Stalinized my previous post so that Ulmont can save his tears for something more important.
I predict a scramble for Africa next session.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 02, 2010, 09:40:46 PM
I predict a scramble for Africa next session.
Even without the tropical penalty, it's not worth it.
So are we going to try and play this coming weekend?
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 02, 2010, 05:53:18 PM
I had to buy a game, any game, to be able to chat with any one. Ended up buying stalker for $4, still annoying though.
Yeah, me too. I'll probably grab XCOM on Saturday or something else from the $5 bin.
Quote from: Kleves on March 02, 2010, 10:40:50 PM
So are we going to try and play this coming weekend?
yes you senile Austrian windbag.
Quote from: Kleves on March 02, 2010, 10:40:50 PM
So are we going to try and play this coming weekend?
I'm beginning to wonder if you even read this thread.
Anyone after a good laugh and who has some spare time on their hands should go read this thread of an EU 3 MP game (which Slargos also happens to be in) : http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453541
And I thought some of the people here were whiny.
For Steam couldn't you guys add a non-steam game?
Quote from: Habbaku on March 03, 2010, 02:45:57 AM
Anyone after a good laugh and who has some spare time on their hands should go read this thread of an EU 3 MP game (which Slargos also happens to be in) : http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453541
And I thought some of the people here were whiny.
They sure have a lot of rules.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 03, 2010, 07:41:35 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on March 03, 2010, 02:45:57 AM
Anyone after a good laugh and who has some spare time on their hands should go read this thread of an EU 3 MP game (which Slargos also happens to be in) : http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453541
And I thought some of the people here were whiny.
They sure have a lot of rules.
I am jealous - why can't we have lots of house rules too?
Oh we can. Would you respect them?
Of course I would. Who do you think I am - Tamas?
Or even worse - Habbaku?
I am the Ned Stark of multiplayer gaming - honorable and honest to a fault.
Who's Ned Stark? Well I know he's a GRR Martin char but other then that?
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 03, 2010, 09:01:30 AM
Who's Ned Stark? Well I know he's a GRR Martin char but other then that?
Lord of Winterfell, Hand of the King.
Was much too "honorable" for his own good, passed on a chance to take down the Queen (who really needed to be taken down) because it would be dis-honorable, ended up getting his head removed from his shoulders after the Queen had the King killed, and her son turned out to get his jollies killing traitors.
I see.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 03, 2010, 09:15:52 AM
I see.
Habbaku is like Tywin Lannister- completely ruthless, no qualms about breaking any agreement, and an expert at playing others off against each other.
Tamas is like Mad King Aerys.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 03, 2010, 07:41:35 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on March 03, 2010, 02:45:57 AM
Anyone after a good laugh and who has some spare time on their hands should go read this thread of an EU 3 MP game (which Slargos also happens to be in) : http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453541
And I thought some of the people here were whiny.
They sure have a lot of rules.
That's really not a lot.
It is compared to our game, where the only rule is "Tamas sucks at hosting".
Quote from: Solmyr on March 03, 2010, 12:00:49 PM
It is compared to our game, where the only rule is "Tamas sucks".
FYP
I know the 150 ships per fleet thing has to do with the performance/stability of the game. More than that apparently cause CTDs or other bad things.
I have been scrupulously holding myself to that limit voluntarily.
We need more chat in this thread about the game.
Let's discuss the Westerners ganging up on France and cutting them down to size. I think that would be a great idea.
Quote from: Berkut on March 03, 2010, 12:54:31 PM
I have been scrupulously holding myself to that limit voluntarily.
In a small close-knit game like this that works, if everyone knows about it. That game looks like there have been 30+ players cycling in and out for a session or two, what a disaster.
Quote from: Berkut on March 03, 2010, 12:54:31 PM
I have been scrupulously holding myself to that limit voluntarily.
I'm sure your support limit of 5 ships has nothing to do with that.
Listening to slargos lecture people about how they should interact with other players is really very amusing after his whineragequit in the Languish game because people (gasp!) attacked him.
The AAR is quite fun to read.
Tamas is violating the 9th rule. :(
Quote from: Berkut on March 03, 2010, 12:55:24 PM
We need more chat in this thread about the game.
Let's discuss the Westerners ganging up on France and cutting them down to size. I think that would be a great idea.
If anyone thinks that France is really in a position to dominate the continent, they need only take a look at the sheer size and capacity that the Emperor's army possesses. France is rich and technologically advanced, but would lose a war against any two of its neighbors. The real worry should be that the Austrians wake up and decide that they don't want the Turks in the Balkans after all--something that France will be powerless to prohibit with Spain and Britain virtually guaranteeing that France would be incapable of intervention.
Britain is not guaranteeing anything at all on the continent concerning France, it is simply not involved there. Indeed, overtly aggressive expansion by Austria outside Germany would likely affect British policy.
One more question, is it better for Britain to go mercantilist or free trade? I see some fairly nice events/modifiers for mercantilism, so I'm wondering.
Good question. Depends, I guess. :P
Quote from: Slargos on Paradox Forum
If Falakh is pussying out I would much rather play Prussia and have Falakh coop Austria.
Oh man, I came so close to responding to this.
Pot meet kettle!
It's obvious that Slargos just doesn't want to lose.
OK, 10:30 this Sunday. I might be able to play late, not really sure yet though, so lets not count on it.
DO WE HAVE A SUB FOR KATMAI?
Quote from: Tamas on March 05, 2010, 01:40:41 PM
DO WE HAVE A SUB FOR KATMAI?
ulmont says he is likely to be able to go.
Quote from: Berkut on March 05, 2010, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 05, 2010, 01:40:41 PM
DO WE HAVE A SUB FOR KATMAI?
ulmont says he is likely to be able to go.
Yeah, I plan to ignore any phone calls from work on Sunday until after 3pm.
A roll call of hamachi details and steam names would be nice though.
Friend invite/group invite for Languish sent. I'll give you all the details via Steam.
Ah cool to hear as I was about to post that I haven't had any time to post and p'dox.
Uli,
I'll pm you current global and strategic situations probably tonight after work around 4 or 5 am your time.
Quote from: katmai on March 05, 2010, 03:19:50 PM
I'll pm you current global and strategic situations probably tonight after work around 4 or 5 am your time.
No worries mate, I brought him up to speed for you.
Quote from: Berkut on March 05, 2010, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 05, 2010, 03:19:50 PM
I'll pm you current global and strategic situations probably tonight after work around 4 or 5 am your time.
No worries mate, I brought him up to speed for you.
I confess I have some doubts as to the wisdom of heavily funding Russia's expansion so that it can counterbalance France and Austria, but if it's what you want...
:lmfao:
Like I said will pm you tonight :P
Is Alci gone this week? Do we have a sub for him?
Quote from: Kleves on March 06, 2010, 01:48:20 AM
Is Alci gone this week? Do we have a sub for him?
:rolleyes: No, it is katmai who will be away, and ulmont is his replacement. Alci and I will be me missing next week, so there won't be a session next week :P
Quote from: Tamas on March 06, 2010, 02:27:02 AM
Alci and I will be me missing next week, so there won't be a session next week :P
Have you told Eric so he knows to put the Solium Infernum game on hold? (Won the first game, btw, without really knowing what I did. :P )
No, will tell him.
And congrats :)
In this new game, I have the most abysmal starting position. River blocking me from west, norh and east, enemy palace from south-east, and a barren wasteland to the south-west.
Quote from: Tamas on March 06, 2010, 02:53:51 AM
No, will tell him.
And congrats :)
In this new game, I have the most abysmal starting position. River blocking me from west, norh and east, enemy palace from south-east, and a barren wasteland to the south-west.
Thanks. :)
Similar. I have not one place of power within my reach.
Quote from: Kleves on March 06, 2010, 01:48:20 AM
Is Alci gone this week? Do we have a sub for him?
Who are you?! :wacko:
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British inflation is now: zero. British Raj is now: started.
Also, the British Royal Navy has now been built up to specs after the adoption of Press Gangs.
Quote from: Kleves on February 28, 2010, 02:48:08 PM
My goal next session: connect the two halves of the Austrian Empire.
Done.
What a fucking disaster of a session. Thanks for bailing me out.
Not sure what the deal was there - my infamy was low, and suddenly everyone was at war with me.
They have CBs on you, they think they can take you (your army is tiny for being Russia), they declare war. Other people see you fighting/moving troops away from their borders/your WE growing, they declare war too. AI is a bitch like that in HTTT.
Well I got a weakling CoT out of helping you, so no worries :P
With constables having built, my income is quite good, my only limiting factor is infamy.
How important is the actual relationship score in whether your neighbors go to war with you?
They all went to war with me immediately - could not have been because of WE, becuase it was zero at the time it all started.
It all matters. They especially like to dog-pile. Make sure you have a very large army.
Yeah, I've been running with a pretty small army for a while now, trying to get inflation down. I've bumped it up quite a bit now, hopefully that will help.
Now I am going to have to go back to war with Al-K though - they have all my damn colonies!
That was pretty ridiculous though. It was pretty much hopeless trying to deal with them all at once.
Picture time! I leave it to later on to do any real commentary other than off-the-cuff stuff. Berkut should, of course, feel free to chime in--as should the rest of you.
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We have a new kid on the block, ladies and gentlemen...Spain, thanks in part to French advisory, has achieved their proper place in the sun. A little more tweaking and they might even overtake the glory that is France.
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Of course, if you look at this, you'll notice why Spain is technologically backwards in comparison to the real tech giants of France and Austria--they have many poor provinces.
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The naval situation has changed dramatically. France simply can't support a large navy without access to naval supplies, of which her home ports provide very few in comparison to others.
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And, lastly, the relative situation of the armies of the great nations. France has, wisely, kept its costs down by eschewing too much a build up.
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2010, 07:23:19 PM
Yeah, I've been running with a pretty small army for a while now, trying to get inflation down. I've bumped it up quite a bit now, hopefully that will help.
Now I am going to have to go back to war with Al-K though - they have all my damn colonies!
That was pretty ridiculous though. It was pretty much hopeless trying to deal with them all at once.
Raising your army closer to your support cap will certainly help--it will actually make your border nations' AI afraid of you. You should also try to keep your navy maxed out for the same reason.
:lol: I just noticed that the Timurids had a little resurrection.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 07, 2010, 07:42:40 PM
:lol: I just noticed that the Timurids had a little resurrection.
Not for long... the Raj awaits. :bowler:
Thanks ulmont for subbing
I know no session next weekend but can someone still send me the save so I can check game.
Quote from: katmai on March 07, 2010, 10:33:53 PM
Thanks ulmont for subbing
I know no session next weekend but can someone still send me the save so I can check game.
Did you get my wrapup PM? I sent it, but I don't see anything in my sent items...
You can see where he took over Argentina. :shutup:
Ulmont,
I did get it. Yeah pms don't show up in sent items unless you click on option box.
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 07, 2010, 10:38:17 PM
You can see where he took over Argentina. :shutup:
that is what you get for being such a slackass
:P
I'm already over-extended, habs keeps telling me so! :P
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 07, 2010, 10:38:17 PM
You can see where he took over Argentina. :shutup:
Look, fucker. Not like I wouldn't have listened to you if you had said "WTF? Argentina???!??!11!?"
Lol, I don't actually care. I can't see most of the provinces you took any way, so I didn't notice until sol put up the map.....fucker.
I ahve this nasty suspicion I am going to be running into you bastards when I get much further east.
Habbs is already in Japan.
I'm not "in" Japan, but I'm certainly buddying up with their AI so I can use their ports to explore what's left of the Pacific. I don't plan on taking any of their provinces and will do my damnedest to prevent anyone else from messing with them or the Ming. We must keep the backwards Asiatics free!
I've already taken over the Pacific, first to cross it and circumnavigate the world, son! :showoff:
Quote from: Habbaku on February 07, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
I can at least note that I think both Spain and Castille are going to regret spreading so quickly--England to a lesser extent. Your tech costs are going to be increased quite a bit and those provinces aren't exactly rich at the moment
:goodboy:
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I included the nations who kicked Russia's ass just for good measure.
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 07, 2010, 11:26:35 PM
I've already taken over the Pacific, first to cross it and circumnavigate the world, son! :showoff:
These types of delusions are why Spain is a backwards state.
:bowler:
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2010, 11:11:13 PM
I ahve this nasty suspicion I am going to be running into you bastards when I get much further east.
Like I said, the Eastern Question (though I suspect I might run into Ottomans first).
Of course, Britain is always open to negotiations with the eastern barb... our dear colleagues.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 08, 2010, 06:19:01 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2010, 11:11:13 PM
I ahve this nasty suspicion I am going to be running into you bastards when I get much further east.
Like I said, the Eastern Question (though I suspect I might run into Ottomans first).
Of course, Britain is always open to negotiations with the eastern barb... our dear colleagues.
The Ottoman Empire has no claims on India, and in general theory has no objection to see it being distributed among the western powers, but the present British territories should really be the western edge of their territories in Asia, because the rest shall be divided between Russia and the Empire.
How do I go about getting an East Asian port? Some ND requires it, but I have no idea how that would ever work.
Should Russia be involved in all this colonial crap via sea? I have done nothing to explore at all. I don't think I could find North America if I had to...
Quote from: Berkut on March 08, 2010, 09:16:00 AM
How do I go about getting an East Asian port? Some ND requires it, but I have no idea how that would ever work.
Should Russia be involved in all this colonial crap via sea? I have done nothing to explore at all. I don't think I could find North America if I had to...
Check the regional map view, you'll see.
One thing I learned during this session:
You cannot fight a war with an army you have not built yet.
Quote from: Berkut on March 08, 2010, 09:16:00 AM
How do I go about getting an East Asian port? Some ND requires it, but I have no idea how that would ever work.
Should Russia be involved in all this colonial crap via sea? I have done nothing to explore at all. I don't think I could find North America if I had to...
North America is pretty much divided up already. You'll probably want to take over Siberia first before looking at other colonies.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 08, 2010, 10:12:43 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 08, 2010, 09:16:00 AM
How do I go about getting an East Asian port? Some ND requires it, but I have no idea how that would ever work.
Should Russia be involved in all this colonial crap via sea? I have done nothing to explore at all. I don't think I could find North America if I had to...
North America is pretty much divided up already. You'll probably want to take over Siberia first before looking at other colonies.
Lucky for me, Al-konyuhu fuckers have taken over Siberia for me, so I don't have to worry about that anymore!
Is there any reason to consider moving my capital around?
Quote from: Berkut on March 08, 2010, 10:59:48 AM
Is there any reason to consider moving my capital around?
Unless you want to make it safer (IE, Constantinople to Ankara), then no, not for you. Colonial powers can benefit from a capital shift, especially in the case of Portugal, because their home provinces aren't really all that valuable and, after Brazil is substantially built up, the manpower and taxes from the colonies are worth getting by moving the capital there.
Quote from: Berkut on March 08, 2010, 10:59:48 AM
Is there any reason to consider moving my capital around?
Move the Capital to Mazovia, release lots of russian minors, get polish culture, perform the culture shift decision, perform the create poland decision.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 08, 2010, 12:22:23 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 08, 2010, 10:59:48 AM
Is there any reason to consider moving my capital around?
Unless you want to make it safer (IE, Constantinople to Ankara), then no, not for you. Colonial powers can benefit from a capital shift, especially in the case of Portugal, because their home provinces aren't really all that valuable and, after Brazil is substantially built up, the manpower and taxes from the colonies are worth getting by moving the capital there.
I wonder about me..... :shutup:
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 08, 2010, 02:30:50 PM
I wonder about me..... :shutup:
Probably not worth it for you. The New World sucks as far as manpower and taxes go, province by province. Only the fact that Portugal is so small and shitty makes it worthwhile for them.
Not worth it at all for Spain, I'd say. Their manpower and tax income primarily derives from their home provinces, after all.
Though I heartily encourage that Spain shift their capital to Mexico. ;)
;)
Still need save. And again thanks uli for subbing.
Hard to tell from map where all is France in east Asia, besides off of India <_<
If you'd log on Steam, I'd send you the file so you could look.
France currently has all of southern Java, the northern Philippines, Ceylon, a couple of provinces near Bangladesh and Okinawa in the far east.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 08, 2010, 10:53:02 PM
If you'd log on Steam, I'd send you the file so you could look.
tomorrow then as feeling sick so all my posting is off my iPhone atm.
the iPhone cures illness? :o
Beeb, I should apologize to you.
Does anyone recall what the name of the song was that played at the EU2 startup screen?
Quote from: Jaron on March 09, 2010, 12:11:01 AM
Does anyone recall what the name of the song was that played at the EU2 startup screen?
M. George Whitehead his Almand (http://www.last.fm/music/John+Dowland/_/M.+George+Whitehead+His+Almand)
Thanks. Had that stuck in my head for a couple of days. :yucky:
OK. Russia is going to try to engage in some generic, little power diplomacy.
In the most general terms, this game right now breaks down into two monster powers, and a bunch of not monster powers.
You can argue about which monster power is more powerful, but that isn't the point. They point is that either monster can crush any combination of the non-monsters they want, as long as the other monster does not intervene.
Now, this is bad for everyone in the game *except* the monster doing the crushing.
What is more, IMO, it is WORSE for every player in the game than it is even for the monster that is not involved. This is debatable though.
The point is this: Nobody should be allying themselves with either monster power unless it is to protect themselves from the other one. Allying yourself with a monster so you can make sure the other monster stays on the sideline while some other little power gets creamed just doesn't make any sense, IMO.
And England - come on. Step up and get in the game. Your supposed to be some kind of equalizer, right? Throw that navy around a bit or something!
I've already stated that any overt aggression by either monster power would serve to push England into the other one's camp.
Other than that, I'm too busy making sure France, Portugal, and Spain don't colonize the entire world before I can. :P
What if we're both overtly aggressive? Will England : implode? :shifty:
England will toss the dice and join one of you then... but which one? :shifty:
Needless to say, the massive navy buildup of Austria has the Ottomans very concerned. Clearly so much warships be a big strain on the Austrian economy so they must be making ready to strike someone.
Not just their navy, of course, but their army as well. Austria's finances are rather tied down by their immense military--something that is further evidenced by their lack of real growth.
Quote from: Tamas on March 10, 2010, 02:22:54 PM
Needless to say, the massive navy buildup of Austria has the Ottomans very concerned. Clearly so much warships be a big strain on the Austrian economy so they must be making ready to strike someone.
Probably me.
He needs those ships to destroy my navy and take St. Petersburg.
Given my neighbor's history of attacking me without provocation, the Austrian Armed Forces are obviously necessary for the defense of the realm. :bowler:
Tamas cancel your trip I'm going through mp withdrawls.
I could not play this Sunday anyway - I have basketball games.
Quote from: katmai on March 12, 2010, 06:12:24 PM
Tamas cancel your trip I'm going through mp withdrawls.
That would explain why no one can understand your speech.
So cruel to me Habbu.
I can't wait until you come back and play with us Kat. :hug:
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 12, 2010, 08:19:08 PM
I can't wait until you come back and play with us Kat. :hug:
I'm back and rdy to go for next sunday.
:)
it sucked that work on sunday was for about the hours we normally play, but got paid for full day anyways.
Question: Should we take into use this entire fix pack for the 27 Feb beta? http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=464548
We already use the French mission fix but the rest of this stuff looks good as well.
Looks like I will probably need a sub this Sunday - apparently there is something going on relating to one of my progeny and their birthday, or some such nonsense.
And get this - apparently *I* am expected to participate in some fashion!
Can you believe that???
Anyone in the other game available?
I am here for this Sunday so you yankee bastards (and you Katmai) better not abandon this for your other little middle-of-the-night game.
Find a sub for Berk, fast :P
WTF, I'm as Yankee bastard as any of those other Americans. I had at least three family members fight fir union in civil war.
Quick where is ulmont?
And I seriously question Berks commitment when he chooses a birthday over us, not like there won't be others to go to. :rolleyes:
Yeah, seriously. :rolleyes:
Hehe, ulmont is checking to see if he can sub.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 15, 2010, 04:13:37 AM
Question: Should we take into use this entire fix pack for the 27 Feb beta? http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=464548
We already use the French mission fix but the rest of this stuff looks good as well.
Yes? No? Maybe?
Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't seem like those fixes correct anything vital at this point of our game. If we're going to update, I say we just wait on the next beta patch to worry about it.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453541&page=58
Slargos rage-quit on another game. :lol:
I love this quote from him, in response to someone mocking him for his latest ragewuit:
Quote from: SlargosIf I were you, I'd watch my mouth.
What's up with the copious amount of dickheads that gravitate towards this community anyway? It's not necessary to be an asshole to play this game.
:lmfao:
OK, ulmont is going to sub for me on Sunday.
He is fully briefed on all relevant and active agreements.
It all belongs to Mother Russia!
:yes:
:yeah:
Glad to have you again Ully.
As a heads up, I'll be on the road but I'm bringing my dying laptop with me. Everything should be fine, but it has a tendency to try to not work when we it travels, took a nasty bump to the head when it was in Iraq.
But I'll be able to give warning if that happens, not sure if there will be an issue or not, hoping on no.
You are our host, remember? :P
Yep, which is why I posted that. :)
I will do the business of hosting, then.
A reminder to Euro-weenies: while you go on summer time March 28, the US already went to daylight savings time March 14.
Accordingly, the 10:30 EDT start is going to be 3:30 PM CET.
Quote from: timezoneconverter.com10:30:00 a.m. Sunday March 21, 2010 in US/Eastern converts to
03:30:00 p.m. Sunday March 21, 2010 in CET
Daylight Saving Time is in effect on this date/time in US/Eastern
Daylight Saving Time is not in effect on this date/time in CET
Fucking Yanks, we should go by the One True Timezone, GMT. :mad:
Quote from: Solmyr on March 19, 2010, 03:41:12 PM
Fucking Yanks, we should go by the One True Timezone, GMT. :mad:
Fuck you, my game tomorrow is actually master time CET, which means it's offset now. Suck it up, princess!
...also, GMT doesn't adjust for summer or daylight savings time, so unless you want your game time to change 1/3 of the year, it's a bad choice.
No, I will still host. Appears that my computer is fine.
I'll be good to go for tomorrow morning. :cheers:
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 20, 2010, 06:59:56 PM
I'll be good to go for tomorrow morning. :cheers:
:cheers:
Get in here Katmai :mad:
It is 6:30 in morning, bite me if I'm a few mins late.
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The Timurids and various other minor infidels have been crushed and Northern India now rightfully belongs to the British Raj.
Meanwhile, the Japanese are in Africa and the Swedes are in Indonesia.
I am just punishing the anime-freaks for trying to conquer in East Africa.
In other developments, the Ottoman Empire now has a westernized military.
So what happened? Anything at all?
Timurids and Ming getting destroyed, Ak Koyunlu running rampant, and a lot of eyeing each other angrily across the border in continental Europe.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 21, 2010, 05:09:35 PM
Timurids and Ming getting destroyed, Ak Koyunlu running rampant, and a lot of eyeing each other angrily across the border in continental Europe.
The French army merely awaits its chance to be unleashed against an enemy that doesn't have 40 allies, of which three are other major powers.
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2010, 04:44:11 PM
So what happened? Anything at all?
Ottoman Madagascar!
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2010, 04:44:11 PM
So what happened? Anything at all?
No, not really. I might declare war on someone next session just to see what happens. The interlocking alliances of every major power with every other one pretty much kills the prospect of a war.
Portuegese soldiers are braver than the French as Portugal went to war twice against Austria.
:P
What I don't get is why the fuck do Russia and Portugal has alliance with Austria, for example? Are you afraid Kleves is going to annex you otherwise? Whats the point? You are afraid of the Italian states? Or Poland?
Schnell, give us some statistics, Habs.
I was not aware I had an alliance with Austria.
That is good to know!
And I don't have an alliance with Austria so no idea what dipshit Tamas is talking about.
I'll post the navy and army stuff later, but it hasn't really changed much--the same people are at the top, I believe.
The largest shift was in Spain finally squeaking out a lead in the economy--not surprising, considering their vast colonial empire starting to grow valuable as the various New World products gain in desirability.
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Of course, as the tech screen shows... :
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They have quite a ways to go.
The biggest change for me this session (aside from an expanded army and the steady growth of my Far East colonial holdings) was the death of the long-lived Valois line in favor of...the Bourbons! :gasp: They came about due to a noble election after the old Valois king died heirless (he had two heirs, but they both kicked off relatively quickly, unfortunately), which leads me to my current position--my Legitimacy being at 83%, all the way up from the 20% it started at. The Bourbons quickly cemented their rule...
Portugal after tragic hunting accident killed the Trastmara heir toyed with Habsburg, Bourbons but finally settled on Trastamara's to lead the kingdom.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 21, 2010, 06:08:34 PM
I'll post the navy and army stuff later, but it hasn't really changed much--the same people are at the top, I believe.
I doubt that seriously. Please post.
Oh yeah I am sleepy, I remembered what I thought was alliance during the session and figured out (during the session) I was wrong. :Embarrass:
Still, since I am behind in smashing AI minors I am free to vent:
It is well known everyone just let Austria swallow Germany and Poland, now they are going for Italy, no one is doing anything. I tried once, got all the heat for it, won't do it again.
Seemingly, because I am of course left out of these as non-applicable power, there is a division of the world among the maritime powers. But why and how? France is unopposed in colonizing/conquering SE Asia (apart from Sweden racing with them), while UK and Portugal slices up India, but why is that a British interest its beyond me, since if they manage to make France happy over just receiving some provinces here and there out of the region, why the need to cater for Portugal, especially when there is no good reason for Spain to back them, since while Spain is completely left out of the whole Asia deal (oh sorry you got Hawaii I think), Portugal is eating up all of South America like it is nobody's business.
And it's not like Russia is raising a voice over the UK being about 2 years worth of wars from his core lands, why bother? :rolleyes:
I am not advocating war at this point. I just dont see how it got here.
Portugal is allied to UK and Spain, and since no one has tried any diplomacy at all I don't see that changing... Unless the English get tired of being neighbors in India or Spanish in South America that is.
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2010, 06:04:32 PM
I was not aware I had an alliance with Austria.
Our alliance is from when I intervened to save Russia from being annexed by Poland. Surely you remember. ;)
Quote from: katmai on March 21, 2010, 06:18:05 PM
Portugal is allied to UK and Spain, and since no one has tried any diplomacy at all I don't see that changing... Unless the English get tired of being neighbors in India or Spanish in South America that is.
Well yeah, this is actually a good run from you. By the time your rivals wake up you will be a force to be recon with, so good going there.
Tamas I was Allied with Naples till they went batshit crazy and annexed Switzerland.
Again it seems to me folks must be pro-active with diplomacy (hence why Spain isn't in east Asia, and South America is evenly split amongst Port/Spain.
If you're concerned about Austria dominating Italy (and you should be), then you need to talk to Alci. He's the only thing stopping me from doing something to check the Emperor's growth and preventing the Italian states being gobbled up.
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Quote from: Tamas on March 21, 2010, 06:17:41 PM
It is well known everyone just let Austria swallow Germany and Poland, now they are going for Italy, no one is doing anything. I tried once, got all the heat for it, won't do it again.
Quick, how many Polish provinces do I have? How many Italian provinces did I take this session? How many overall provinces? The answers: 0, 0, and 1, respectively.
Quote from: Tamas on March 21, 2010, 06:17:41 PM
And it's not like Russia is raising a voice over the UK being about 2 years worth of wars from his core lands, why bother? :rolleyes:
If the UK wants to take over the shitty lands between it and Russia, I'm sure Russia is willing to cheer them on.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 21, 2010, 06:25:27 PM
If you're concerned about Austria dominating Italy (and you should be), then you need to talk to Alci. He's the only thing stopping me from doing something to check the Emperor's growth and preventing the Italian states being gobbled up.
Interesting that Europe is still willing to buy this line. I am certain that French territory, economic power, and military might grew far more than Austria's this session, and yet the French are still able to frighten Europe into inaction by raising the spectre of Austria.
Quote from: Kleves on March 21, 2010, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on March 21, 2010, 06:25:27 PM
If you're concerned about Austria dominating Italy (and you should be), then you need to talk to Alci. He's the only thing stopping me from doing something to check the Emperor's growth and preventing the Italian states being gobbled up.
Interesting that Europe is still willing to buy this line. I am certain that French territory, economic power, and military might grew far more than Austria's this session, and yet the French are still able to frighten Europe into inaction by raising the spectre of Austria.
Dude look at the map :P
I did and it shows clearly the biggest global menace is....Sweden!!!
Quote from: katmai on March 21, 2010, 06:39:21 PM
I did and it shows clearly the biggest global menace is....Sweden!!!
True! I spent so much time courting Aceh into being my buddy and RMing me, hoping for a PU eventually, then these meatball eating savages came and conquered them!
The only continent they aren't on is South America.
Not the penguins! :weep:
How are the navys looking?
Only difference I see navally is that the Ottomans have 85 big ships now, taking the lead with England at 71 or so.
Quote from: Kleves on March 21, 2010, 06:27:15 PM
Quick, how many Polish provinces do I have? How many Italian provinces did I take this session? How many overall provinces? The answers: 0, 0, and 1, respectively.
It is amazing how you can sit there and basically lie by omission when it is so easy to show how you're carefully crafting your words to hide how much of Italy you dominate.
Independent Italian states : Naples, Papacy, Savoy, Venice, Corsica and Tuscany (a French ally).
Austrian-held Italian provinces : Friuli, Treviso, Verona, Trent and Brescia.
Austrian vassal states : Milan, Pisa, Ferrara, Mantua and Urbino.
All in all, of the Italian provinces, Austria effectively has power over fully one-third of the entirety. Spain and France, in contrast, possess 3 and 2 provinces, respectively, while France is allied with the largest Italian state (Tuscany, five provinces) in order to keep it and its Ligurian center of trade free of Austrian exploitation.
I found that vassalization was the only way to create some semblance of stability in Italy. -_-
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 21, 2010, 10:29:50 PM
Only difference I see navally is that the Ottomans have 85 big ships now, taking the lead with England at 71 or so.
:smarty:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456580&page=11
:lol: This game seems to attract some really childish sorts. Someone out-Slargosed Slargos.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 21, 2010, 05:49:32 PM
No, not really. I might declare war on someone next session just to see what happens. The interlocking alliances of every major power with every other one pretty much kills the prospect of a war.
To be honest, extremely rapid French advancement at the beginning of the game is partly to blame for that. The UK and Portugal had a pre-existing alliance already, and Spain was later included because France was a threat to us both. Even now, France is one of the UK's biggest colonial rivals, while Austria looks unlikely to ever have interests in opposition to the UK. So you see why the alliances are the way they are.
As for India, the UK only plans to claim that an nothing else in the area. Certainly we don't plan to expand into the shit that is Afghanistan. And the Turks should stop whining and do something about Ak Koyunlu if they are so scared of it. I also want to know why the Turks need a navy that big.
Quote from: Solmyr on March 22, 2010, 03:46:54 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on March 21, 2010, 05:49:32 PM
No, not really. I might declare war on someone next session just to see what happens. The interlocking alliances of every major power with every other one pretty much kills the prospect of a war.
To be honest, extremely rapid French advancement at the beginning of the game is partly to blame for that. The UK and Portugal had a pre-existing alliance already, and Spain was later included because France was a threat to us both. Even now, France is one of the UK's biggest colonial rivals, while Austria looks unlikely to ever have interests in opposition to the UK. So you see why the alliances are the way they are.
As for India, the UK only plans to claim that an nothing else in the area. Certainly we don't plan to expand into the shit that is Afghanistan. And the Turks should stop whining and do something about Ak Koyunlu if they are so scared of it. I also want to know why the Turks need a navy that big.
Because Austria has a navy about twice as big as they can support?
Plus, my economy can be ruined by blockade.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 22, 2010, 01:39:04 AM
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456580&page=11
:lol: This game seems to attract some really childish sorts. Someone out-Slargosed Slargos.
The Wookie is an absolute tool. I was in the other game he was GMing over there and I would never play in a game he is in again.
Details, please?
Quote from: Habbaku on March 22, 2010, 01:33:34 PM
Details, please?
I don't have a lot of details; a lot of the drama took place in private and I was struggling to keep my head above water in my first MP game ever with a France that had been run by the AI the first session so I wasn't very aware of the big picture.
The GM decided which countries he wanted in the game and if they ended up AI controlled for any reason they were completely off limits. If you were at war with an AI controlled version of a country he wanted to be human it had to end immediately, if the AI DoWed you you had to do nothing for than fight for a white peace.
The first ragequits were human Ottoman and human Venice. The Ottomans seemed intent on destroying the Empire; I have no idea what he was doing but the Ottomans were always on the brink of being completely occupied by rebels. All of a sudden The Wookie was yelling at MonMarty (Venice) to end the war NOW!!. MonMarty quit shortly after.
Here is MonMarty's explanation for quitting and The Wookie's response.
Quote from: MonMartyBecause I never like to quit without making sure everyone knows why I did it, I will write out a piece.
First off, I am thoroughly convinced I never broke the Ethical rule, my casus is very simple.
The Ottoman Empire attacked me, Me being in good faith he would not, since I offered a friendly hand to him at the start when he came in, That same hand that was returned into my face when he crossed my border with 20,000 troops. With that declaration he made it pretty clear to have the desire to remove me from the Balkans.
Within that same war, upon numerous times he refused to sign peace, peace which was 50% of the total warscore troughout the entire period i might add.
The motivation for my second war was simple: Right after the first war, a friendly offer from Milan to patrol his rebels was replied with fuck you, an offer which would have enabled him to never lose greece and trezibond/karaman to begin with, basically having all of proper turkey left, once more reaffirming that Magic man was not interested in having any form of dialogue with me or Milan.
My peacedemand was over land that was not connected to his own, therefor suffering the negative effects of being disconnected, fairly reasonable i might say, especially since i also planned to help the Ottoman Empire rebuild into Egypt, the Holy land and Persia. Any words ushered towards the ottoman empire were responded with
Game[messagehandler.h:224]: 7 June, 1447 Magic Man(Ottomans)*: rofl what?
and
Game[messagehandler.h:224]: 12 July, 1447 Magic Man(Ottomans)*: go to hell
Note I didnt PM him about anything, everything i said was public.
Now i very much understand GM's position in wanting to make sure the Ottoman Empire would have been playable for a new player, however I am still convinced that A player should not be punished for the bad decisions of a player. Had he still been the old Ottoman Empire, i would have won, taken my Greek provinces, and ended the war cordially with a fleet between my and his lands, this which was denied me because the player ragequit and doesnt know how to make logical decisions. This whole debacle would have completely been avoided if he has just accepted our help when he obviously needed it.
Its a shame no common ground could have been found, I would have been all for editing the Turkish minor provinces back to the Ottoman Empire, but it was not to be.
Ill see you guys around.
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http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10665601&postcount=374
The Wookie never addressed the other players concerns or mention MM again.
They also could not keep a regular Holland/Netherlands player and there was a human The Hansa, human Brandenburg and human Engalnd/UK so there was the same drama happening there. The Hansa player ragequit.
QuoteI am very sorry but I am leaving this game. I hate to be a quitter, but I feel I am not getting along with the GameMaster and his decisions. I think he is influencing the game to much.
When both Venice and the Ottoman quit during a session, one was off limit and the other was not. According to the GM Venice was expendable. So if the "wrong" country/player wins a war, the GM overrules the outcome and forbids the winning player to take any provinces.
I also don´t like how the GM puts new human countries in the game without forewarning and how he decides what nations are AI-substituted for the moment and which are simply AI. Venice became AI at the same moment the player quit. Holland on the other hand has been AI-substituted the whole time even though the player has been more absent than present.
I am not complaining about anyone being absent or joining late in the game. But if you have rules they have to be consistent and the same for everyone. I also feel sorry for the way MonMarty was treated by the GM - both in the game and in this forum thread.
QuoteWhen you break the rules and I have to enforce them that tends to happen.
It has nothing to do with the "wrong" country/player winning or losing a war, it has to do with what countries me, Zoidberg and Varam decide we want in the game to keep it interesting. We have thus far gotten rid of the TO, Venice and Ottomans, for three different reasons - and none of them to do with... whatever it is you're accusing me of.
I just want to play EU3 online - I don't want to deal with people's egos or delicate sensibilities. If I offended anyone, it may have been intended. :yes:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10695439&postcount=398
The player playing Poland ragequit the one session I was gone and had a sub playing, no idea what happened there, but as The Wookie was Muscowy/Russia I would imagine he had something to do with it.
In general he is a control freak and an asshat to people who don't agree with his dictatorial decrees. Hosting the game doesn't make you god, IMO.
Are we going to use the new beta patch for tomorrow?
I suggest we all do so, yes. The changes are immensely welcome--especially the naval stuff.
I installed the patch and our save works just fine. The new checksum is GDGI. Please make sure yours matches before tomorrow so we can start without a hitch.
Got the patch, checksum matches. However, my NI display in the game is all messed up - the icons are correct, but the tooltips are mismatched, they are all shifted by one to the left, so my first idea which is Bill of Rights shows the tooltip for Press Gangs, etc, and the fifth idea claims I haven't selected anything for it. They still work fine otherwise, just the tooltips are screwed up.
:rolleyes:
if anyone knows, why Kleves' game CTDs at launch after he deleted the cache folder, tell us VERY FAST
Sorry bout that, guys. :blush:
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The world is in balance again.
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How are the army stats looking?
Also, note the Austrian colony in Western Africa! I am sure the new Austrian colonial empire will be more than just a massive waste of resources. :)
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Looks like the great British recruitment drive in India has pushed us to the rank of great land powers!
:lol: Your manpower is enough to last you a month in a serious war.
Shh. :(
Portugal demands Russia out of Siberia.
France demands Austria out of Wallonia.
Quote from: katmai on March 28, 2010, 10:05:21 PM
Portugal demands Russia out of Siberia.
OK, we will leave.
Why no navy statistics? :mad: I am at work and can't check it.
You are 2nd behind Spain and ahead of me, though if you take away your galleys I think you are 3rd.
Quote from: katmai on March 29, 2010, 01:51:05 AM
You are 2nd behind Spain and ahead of me, though if you take away your galleys I think you are 3rd.
I cant have that many galleys left. I only left a few for anti-pirate posturing.
Oh and I am not even at my support level with these many ships :yeah:
So, next week's game on Saturday?
Quote from: Tamas on March 29, 2010, 01:53:31 AM
Oh and I am not even at my support level with these many ships :yeah:
well it is still more galleys than Spain and I combined.
And neither he or I are at are support limit :yeah:
Sol,
I don't know if everybody has checked to see if they can play. I'm not sure I can, won't know till tues.
I will be the stinker for this, family emergency I have to drive to Houston Friday/Saturday, and then come back Saturday/Sunday. 32 hours driving this weekend, I'm pretty excited. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 29, 2010, 08:22:47 AM
I will be the stinker for this, family emergency I have to drive to Houston Friday/Saturday, and then come back Saturday/Sunday. 32 hours driving this weekend, I'm pretty excited. :rolleyes:
Its okay, ulmont is our saviour
Yeah, but Berkut can't make it, and Kleves is iffy. :P
Quote from: Tamas on March 29, 2010, 08:38:07 AM
Its okay, ulmont is our saviour
Can't save you this weekend, especially on Saturday.
:bleeding: america and its religion
I am a maybe for Saturday, definite no for Sunday - going to the mother in laws for Easter.
And all you guys saying what an argument I am for you not getting married?
You are right - if you think that when you are married with two kids, it is being "whipped" to *only* spend 4 hours on a Sunday in the middle of the day playing a video game...you should probably stay single. Because I am guessing you won't have much luck finding a spouse as tolerant of this kind of shit as mine happens to be! :P
We actually host a yearly Easter egg hunt for all the kids in the neighborhood. It started yesterday at 3pm EST, hence my insistence on finishing right at 2:30. Frankly, I was amazed Julie tolerated me sitting on my ass playing a game that day at all. We had 52 kids and 75 parents at the house about 20 minutes after I signed off.
I am almost certain I could sub for someone this weekend if needed. Saturday is 99% certain, and the kids are going to be a their mom's so we are doing an Easter dinner which means Sunday should be doable too. I will know for sure by mid-week.
I can potentially make Sunday, It'll be iffy.
It being a holiday, we should probably just postpone this week's session, guys. Saturday most likely won't work for me and Sunday is definitely out.
That should settle it....see you all the on Sun the 11th.
Quote from: katmai on March 29, 2010, 08:12:50 PM
That should settle it....see you all the on Sun the 11th.
You've got a Wednesday game to attend, buster. :mad:
Quote from: Habbaku on March 29, 2010, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 29, 2010, 08:12:50 PM
That should settle it....see you all the on Sun the 11th.
You've got a Wednesday game to attend, buster. :mad:
My comment was to Sol, tamas and Alci :P
So I noticed that in our Sunday game, I had several provinces that still said "?" for trade good. For years and years. Posted something in the PDox forum about the potential bug, was quickly told by a dev that this was not a bug, it was just "bad luck".
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468438
Yeah, turns out that it is a bug.
So, for four or five of these provinces, it has literally been about 50 years of missed production.
Lets do the math...that puts me down, what? A million ducats or something?
Lol keep dreaming dirty Russian bear.
Quote from: katmai on March 29, 2010, 08:39:45 PM
Lol keep dreaming dirty Russian bear.
Well, if you consider that one of the provinces, when I fixed the savegame started producing furs, and went from 2 production to 20, that means I've lost out on:
1. Somewhere around 1000 ducats in gold
2. How much in lost trade income?
3. How much in lost tech investment?
It is not insignificant.
We will need to edit the savegame to remove the flags that indicate that the provinces have a tradegood selected when they don't. And I am going to lobby for some kind of adjustment. Russia is poor, and depends on production for our income and growth.
Losing shit to bugs is pretty annoying, but it has happened to us all to a degree. That being said, I think it'd be fair to cut Russia's inflation down (assuming they even have any) and to give them some hard cash to use. Perhaps allowing Berkut to do the math on how much he's lost (posting the figures here, of course) and we'll come to some agreement on how much to edit him?
Oh i have no problem with an edit, just not a million ducats.
Well, people who know the game better than I would ahve a better idea how much it represents than I do.
Running the save with the fixed flag edit, all 6 provinces got a tradegood within months, usually almost immediately. They were generally furs, copper, or iron, and one grain.
Furs looked to about 20 in production income, copper/iron around 27, and grain...I don't recall - less, certainly.
4 of these provinces have literally missed about 50 years worth of production, the other two are more like 10 or so, think.
I don't really know how that translates into things like lost tech though.
How come this only happened to him?
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 29, 2010, 10:33:16 PM
How come this only happened to him?
I know it happened to one person in the MP game I was a part of recently; he had a province in Madagascar which never got a trade good. I haven't played with a colonial power since my very first game with IN so I have no idea how often it can happen.
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 29, 2010, 10:33:16 PM
How come this only happened to him?
That is a very good question.
The latest beta patch has been updated today, so redownload it here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468427
Checksum is now HPZE.
Slargos really has no shame :
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10966363&postcount=97
:lmfao:
Would it be possible for me to get an edit reversing the last reform I passed. I would never have done it, had I actually known what it would do. I will pay: 1000d for this. :sleep:
:lmfao:
No.
Then I will have to pass another reform, so that this most recent reform will have not been completely negative.
What time does this game start again?
Quote from: sbr on April 09, 2010, 05:48:39 PM
What time does this game start again?
Fucking early :P
7:30 am for you pacific time zone folks.
6:30 for dumbasses like me.
Quote from: katmai on April 09, 2010, 06:01:27 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 09, 2010, 05:48:39 PM
What time does this game start again?
Fucking early :P
7:30 am for you pacific time zone folks.
6:30 for dumbasses like me.
I knew it was early for you, I was hoping you were 2 hours behind me. I guess that's Hawaii.
Anyone have a copy of the save? I might want to give Sweden a spin but that is awfully early for a hopeless cause.
Don't have access to save ATM, but from what I recall they have decent chance with some far flung colonies around the world.
Sweden can do well with the right diplomacy. And their tech/progress is as good as any player nation's.
Yeah, they're not bad. Dutch-esque like position in our game.
OK, so whoever has the save, do they know how to edit it to fix the tradegood problem? If it is Habs, I think he knows.
And what did we decide about compensation? I would be ok with something simple, like just edited all my techs +1 or so... :P
If you can get a realistic number for how much REAL income you lost I'll do it, as I have the save. Not just a well it says i should be making this rah rah rah. :)
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 10, 2010, 11:13:18 AM
If you can get a realistic number for how much REAL income you lost I'll do it, as I have the save. Not just a well it says i should be making this rah rah rah. :)
Any chance you could upload that save? If I am going to get up at the crack of dawn to play Sweden I would like ot know what i am getting into. :)
Quote from: Habbaku on April 02, 2010, 02:21:09 PM
Slargos really has no shame :
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10966363&postcount=97
Why did he leave again? Gangbang?
He lost a few provinces in a war, yes.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 02, 2010, 02:21:09 PM
Slargos really has no shame :
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10966363&postcount=97
:D
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 10, 2010, 11:13:18 AM
If you can get a realistic number for how much REAL income you lost I'll do it, as I have the save. Not just a well it says i should be making this rah rah rah. :)
Didn't we already do that?
What number did we come up with? I think it was several thousand ducats or something.
No... don't think so.
Here's the save:
http://rapidshare.com/files/374357028/Languishmpsave.rar.html
What should the patch be in our game, 4.1b, or is there a new one?
GDGI is the combination I have right now.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 10, 2010, 01:15:22 PM
No... don't think so.
All right, fuck it, if you are just going to argue without contributing, it really isn't worth the effort. Do you know how to fix the save file, or are you just going to be bitchy about that as well?
Whats wrong with you? Quit bitching, tell me what provinces so I can look when they were colonized and verify the problem, and see what their income is.
Stop acting childish.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 10, 2010, 01:22:02 PM
Here's the save:
http://rapidshare.com/files/374357028/Languishmpsave.rar.html
What should the patch be in our game, 4.1b, or is there a new one?
GDGI is the combination I have right now.
Thanks, though shouldn't it be HPZE?
Quote from: Solmyr on March 30, 2010, 02:04:23 PM
The latest beta patch has been updated today, so redownload it here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=468427
Checksum is now HPZE.
Thanks, wasn't sure if I applied the patch or not, had it sitting on my desktop.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 10, 2010, 01:22:56 PM
Whats wrong with you? Quit bitching, tell me what provinces so I can look when they were colonized and verify the problem, and see what their income is.
Stop acting childish.
You are the one bitching, not I. You don't say why you don't like the solution, or what you think would be better, or even if you know what the problem is - just "don't think so". Well, fuck, we went through all this once, and it simply isn't worth going through again if you have already decided to just say "no" no matter what, without even sharing what you find objectionable.
Too much? Too little? Don't think there is a problem to begin with? Think there should be some other way of solving it then tech? What? Feel free to share your objections, instead of just acting like it is that time of month and you just don't want to agree on principle.
I would have liked someone(you), to tell me about the thread you posted on pdox, give me the provinces and dates colonized:
kulunda 1620
ilimsk 1642
Verkne 1643
Bratsk 1627
Kachinsk 1624
Kuznetsk 1627
the potential income lost due to this problem (still working on the calculations), and to tell me the actual fix to this. (deleting the trade_goods flag.)
Thank you for making me do all the work for your, and only your, problem. Since I'm not the game master and all. I know you are probably busier than me, but you have a vested interest in this, I do not.
I'll try to calculate the lost income on this now. I'm leaning towards giving you straight ducats, or I can evenly spread out the ducats in all of your techs if you wish and everyone agrees. I'm also interested in the ways that people would wish for me to calculate most effectively the province income lost. I'm thinking colony income at present date plus one month with the new trade good to take affect, minus 10-? years from the overall income for the colonization process.
How does this sound?
Here is the fixed save, with the relevant flags removed so those provinces will choose a tradegood:
http://rapidshare.com/files/374366030/Languishmpsave_TGFixed.zip.html
There are no other changes other than allowing them to actually pick a tradegood instead of being stuck. Hopefully that won't be too objectionable.
Some adjustment on top of the direct income lost would probably also be appropriate. There is a probably not too large cost associated with lagging in tech. Every year being one production and trade tech behind is also a direct cost.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 10, 2010, 01:52:13 PM
I would have liked someone(you), to tell me about the thread you posted on pdox, give me the provinces and dates colonized:
We did. It is all in this thread.
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kulunda 1620
ilimsk 1642
Verkne 1643
Bratsk 1627
Kachinsk 1624
Kuznetsk 1627
the potential income lost due to this problem (still working on the calculations), and to tell me the actual fix to this. (deleting the trade_goods flag.)
Again, already did that.
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Thank you for making me do all the work for your, and only your, problem. Since I'm not the game master and all. I know you are probably busier than me, but you have a vested interest in this, I do not.
Nobody is making you do anything. Christ, unwad your panties already.
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I'll try to calculate the lost income on this now. I'm leaning towards giving you straight ducats, or I can evenly spread out the ducats in all of your techs if you wish and everyone agrees. I'm also interested in the ways that people would wish for me to calculate most effectively the province income lost. I'm thinking colony income at present date plus one month with the new trade good to take affect, minus 10-? years from the overall income for the colonization process.
How does this sound?
Sounds fine - why did it sound so terrible when we suggested the same thing 5 pages ago?
I don't read this thread religiously. I was going to do it, but the save objects to something I deleted and is kablooey. If you want to post a very conservative estimate of the income you have potentially lost over the years listed I don't have a problem putting it in to either your tech or treasury as long as everyone agrees.
OK, after fixing the save, I ran the save game.
Kulunda - Iron - 24.12
Kuznetsk - Fur - 15.15
Kachinsk - Copper - 31.15
Bratsk - Copper - 27.74
Ilinsk - Iron - 22.66
Berkne never chose a tradegood - perhaps I messed up the fix?
All these had a production value of 2.00 listed before they chose their tradegood, guess that must be the default value?
Of course, there is compounding here - what really sucks is that I should have had manufactories in all these metal producing provinces all this time, which means I have lost all the tech that production represents, PLUS the production from doubled manufactories in these and the land tech bonus tech from that as well, minus the cost of the manufactories, of course.
Now it will take me 5 years to even get the tech bonus/manufactoriing bonus from them even starting now.
Anyway, looking at these, the yearly income difference is anywhere from 15-30 ducats each. Over 50 years, that is ~800-1400 ducats per province looking *only* at the actual lost production, and ignoring any compounding at all. Of course, I could get unlucky, and they could all produce grain instead, which would be a hell of a lot less.
I would like to see someone else chime in. Frankly, I don't agree with the idea that we should look at some ultra-conservative estimate, as I think that will seriously under-sell the problem, especially when you consider how backward Russia is anyway - every little bit is that much more important, when you have very little to begin with.
The way I see it, without this bug, all of these provinces would be shelling out ~20 ducats/year (would that actually be 40, since it is divided over monthly and yearly income? I've never really been clear how that works), and half of them would have weapons manufactories in them for a decent chunk of that time as well, which would be another 10d/year, and another +5 land tech investment/month.
Throw on top of that the compounded value of money.
On the other hand, it is just a game, and I have had plenty of fun playing with screwed up production all this time, and will have plenty of fun continuing to play even if we don't adjust it by a penny. Shrug.
Here's my partial take on it, as a neutral observer. Compounding works both ways. The production values you get are after 50 years. They would likely not be nearly as high originally, as population, demand, and multipliers grow over time. My gut instinct is that multiplying the current values by 50 would about get it right, as that assumes that the income in the provinces in question grew at the same rate as the compounding that you're talking about.
As for manufacturies, it's a far more intangible loss. When you couldn't build them in those provinces 50 years ago because of a bug, did you just not build them at all, or did you instead build them in other provinces? I don't you see why you wouldn't build them somewhere else 50 years ago, unless you already built them everywhere you could. And, even if you couldn't build them 50 years ago, some of that money must've been spent on other income-producing stuff. In short, estimating all that is very complicated.
IMO a rough estimate of the lost province production should suffice, bringing manufactories into the equation is getting too complicated. Trade goods from five provinces can't have been a major part of income for Russia.
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2010, 03:22:48 PM
As for manufacturies, it's a far more intangible loss. When you couldn't build them in those provinces 50 years ago because of a bug, did you just not build them at all, or did you instead build them in other provinces? I don't you see why you wouldn't build them somewhere else 50 years ago, unless you already built them everywhere you could. And, even if you couldn't build them 50 years ago, some of that money must've been spent on other income-producing stuff. In short, estimating all that is very complicated.
Hmmm, that is a good point. I probably have only a very marginal capacity to build any more manufacturies than I have already.
Like I said, I am going to have plenty of fun regardless of what we choose, so it doesn't matter all that much, other than that we get it fixed. The save file I posted, btw, is good - it does fix the problems.
Alcy askd about checksum - I think we should still be at HPZE, IIRC.
Quote from: BerkutThe way I see it, without this bug, all of these provinces would be shelling out ~20 ducats/year (would that actually be 40, since it is divided over monthly and yearly income? I've never really been clear how that works)....
Trade good don't have anything to do with yearly income, that is taxes only which shouldn't have been affected.
In my line of work, I actually get to roughly estimate the effect of fuck-ups fairly often, so this is somewhat familiar territory to me. Obviously I love my job, because I can't resist inserting myself into this.
My recommendation would be to take the current production value of the province, subtract the current production value of the province if it has the unknown good (i.e. immediately before the fix), and multiply it by the number of years since colonizing (and not by twice that, as production income is only monthly, not yearly). Repeat that for every province in question, and add up the totals. That total should be invested into techs, not straight ducats, since that's where the income would've been going. IMO, that would be the best balance between simplicity and accuracy. It would overestimate the actual production income lost, but that overestimate should roughly cover the other effects like opportunity costs.
:rolleyes: Thanks, nerd.
Sounds reasonable. Try to get the info before tonight please? Not sure what time I may become unavailable tonight..... :shutup:
We'll use your save since the game doesn't like what I did to the save. You didn't advance any days, did you?
Nope, I didn't even load it - just loaded it into a text editor, and searched for the offending string and deleted the flag when it was found.
The problem DG, is that we don't actually know what the production value will be, since we don't know what it is going to produce - it is random based on the region. This region seems to produce:
Copper (~30 lost)
Iron (~24 lost)
Furs (~15 lost)
Grain (~8 lost)
The first three are pretty valuable, the last much less so, although running the save doesn't seem to have grain show up very often.
So it will have to be an estimate, regardless.
The years missed are: 54, 54, 53, 47, 44, 32. Total of 284 years of lost production.
Damn, that is actually longer than I though, I was looking at when they became provinces, but the tradegood_picked flag actually has a date, which of course is before they become a province. Also, I was surprised to note that it doesn't scale that much - my new provinces that produce iron or copper or furs product nearly as much as my provinces that have been around for a very long time - I am guessing production values are not as dependent on things like population as taxes.
Example: Archangelsk, which I have had for damn near forever, produces 1.2 units of furs, and that gets a total production of 30.33. North Ufa, which I took over pretty recently and has 1/3rd the population of Archangelsk, produces 1.2 units of fures and gets total production of 28.0. So I think the assumption that there is any significant compounding of the value isn't really warranted. There might be some based on demand, but that would be it.
The value difference per year is varies between 8 and 30, although if you discount grain it varies between 15 and 30.
Lets assume an average of 20. That gives us:
20x284 years is 5680. Which really isn't all that much, when it comes right down to it - does not even represent a single tech level.
Where would you like it invested? And you have run the save? When I removed the the flags for some reason it went all bonkers in game, not saving any of the information, TI all over etc.
What did you remove?
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status=yes
date="1620.9.8"
}
}
variables=
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}
name="Kulunda"
That is how the beginning of the entry for Kulunda looks with the bug.
This is how it looks when fixed:
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flags=
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variables=
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I would be perfectly happy to have it divided evenly amongst all my tech, excepting naval and government - mainly because government is about to flip anyway, so I am not sure if it would mess anything up to add to it and take it over the threshold.
Alright, got it.
You're about to flip on 3 techs now. Put you within 2 ducats of land, couple hundred on production, and couple thousand left on trade. About 6,000 I put in, which seems alright.
Ive just realized how futile this all is.
I am worrying about the income from my lame ass colonies in Siberia, because I am losing out on a whopping 20d income, while the rest of you laugh at such paltry change. Habs and the rest of you have single colonies that make more than any 3 of my lame ass colonies put together.
I am jazzed when I find some Iron, because that means this province will be worth a whopping 50% of the value of your typical tobacco/coffee/spices province that the rest of the world has dozens of.
Well this paltry ass problem cost me a lot of time( See nearly an hour) because I forgot how to locate shit in EU saves. :lol:
Thanks, I do appreciate it.
Katmai, wake up! :P
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The world in 1699. Shitty planning by Spain resulted in their near collapse, but fortunately Britannia rode to the rescue with her diplomatic skillz. :P
What happened was this: France declares war on Austria. Austria is allied with Spain. Spain white peaces with France, so that France can concentrate on Austria. After a long and brutal war, the French leaders prevail (his best: 16, my best: 4) and Austria loses. Spain then declares war on France and is quickly crushed. Whoops.
a 1v1 was very fair considering all the saber rattling you two had done.
England totally had an agreement between himself and France. Which is how he managed to get the Bayou and wouldn't land troops to help me. :shutup:
And I was just finally getting back on my feet after being crushed...... completely. France's leaders were ridiculous, but their revolts were consistent.
And yeah it was a random whim with no real planning done. :P
Landing my ossum 11k troops from England wouldn't have helped you whatsoever, they would have evaporated the second some French taunted them a second time. :P
As for agreement, damn right I got an agreement with France once it became clear you were going to bite the dust hard. :rolleyes:
Another disaster of a session for Russia. They are pretty much doomed by terrible leaders and shit resources.
What's the cast of characters? The one on the first page of this thread doesn't seem accurate.
Quote from: Berkut on April 11, 2010, 02:11:14 PM
Another disaster of a session for Russia. They are pretty much doomed by terrible leaders and shit resources.
And now you have to deal with the wrath of the Portuguese. :menace:
Brutal, indeed. The war started with a string of early French victories thanks to our Napoleonic generalship (6-6-6-1-2 general) who, unfortunately, died within a couple of years worth of fighting. Nonetheless, the damage was dealt, but without Villeneuve leading the way, the less-stellar French lieutenants were left to fend for themselves. After occupying Breisgau and Switzerland, the war devolved into a slugfest of maneuver and giant battles, usually resulting in French losses but with the Austrians taking substantially more casualties.
Over time, the massed casualties resulted in the Imperial armies simply running out of manpower. Of course, by this time...the French pool was also tapped and essentially relying on whatever recruits could be drummed. With one, final push of the combined armies of France, the banners of the Bourbon were quickly flying over Cologne with the Austrian army in full rout. With the potential for a greater victory but with France wracked with unrest from the efforts of war...the French offered a complete peace with the Emperor in exchange for the redeemed lands of Wallonia. Finally, the Walloon peoples are joined under the French flag!
And were swiftly put into the colors to go fight the Spanish menace. Despite losing a substantial amount of regiments due to inferior generalship (lost ~30 due to the 0-morale-surrender thing), the veterans that had fought so hard against the Empire proved more than capable to the task of being stabbed in the back by the Spaniards. A mere two years later and French armies were preparing to storm Madrid itself and would surely have taken the city but for timely British peace-talks. Realizing her position was untenable outside of the continent, France quickly agreed to surrender the tobacco-rich lands in Louisiana and the Indian principality of Cuttack to the English in exchange for peace at last.
Quote from: DGuller on April 11, 2010, 02:11:27 PM
What's the cast of characters? The one on the first page of this thread doesn't seem accurate.
Berkut - Russia
Habbaku - France
Kleves - Austria
Tamas - Ottomans
Solmyr - England
Alcibiades - Spain
Katmai/SBR - Portugal
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I'll let Habs post the analysis, if any.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 11, 2010, 02:10:42 PM
Landing my ossum 11k troops from England wouldn't have helped you whatsoever, they would have evaporated the second some French taunted them a second time.
Yeah, you would've been destroyed if you had landed anywhere except Portugal. I had an army ~25k strong (and growing) with a decent general roaming around mopping up my rebels at all times. The moment the English descended upon France, they'd have been utterly smashed.
In other news, it's amusing to me that Spain didn't simply wait for the deal I made with him for the neutrality to go through before he declared war. Now he gets nothing...
12% inflation?! :blink:
How in the hell do you guys manage to increase your income by such insane amounts every session?
Now I hate Habs even more for refusing to sell me Taiwan.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 11, 2010, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on April 11, 2010, 02:10:42 PM
Landing my ossum 11k troops from England wouldn't have helped you whatsoever, they would have evaporated the second some French taunted them a second time.
Yeah, you would've been destroyed if you had landed anywhere except Portugal. I had an army ~25k strong (and growing) with a decent general roaming around mopping up my rebels at all times. The moment the English descended upon France, they'd have been utterly smashed.
In other news, it's amusing to me that Spain didn't simply wait for the deal I made with him for the neutrality to go through before he declared war. Now he gets nothing...
'Deal' was over a century old if not older. And you've proven yourself to be the hegemon that you accused Austria of being.... Was hoping the Western countries would get a few colonies out of you to balance out the production high Walloon provinces. Gotta maintain a semblance of a BOP, which we failed to do. :bowler:
Quote from: Berkut on April 11, 2010, 02:22:48 PM
How in the hell do you guys manage to increase your income by such insane amounts every session?
Now I hate Habs even more for refusing to sell me Taiwan.
Taiwan is exceedingly rich..... He beat me to it. :'(
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 11, 2010, 02:22:06 PM
12% inflation?! :blink:
Every single point of it is from events :P
My analysis :
Ottomans : A basket case that needs reforming and needs to get into an aggressive war with someone big so that they can take a swath of territory. I'm not saying that Austria's viable or anything, but...
Russia : Ditto, though they need to finish Siberia up first.
Austria : Needs to fix its economy and get its army back to proper standing--something that's going to be incredibly hard with the HRE reform he passed a while back. Of course, Austria still has the strongest land forces, despite French wealth and leadership. If he can fix the leadership issue, France will be back to stalemating him (which almost happened in the war anyway).
Spain : Probably unstoppable at sea at this time unless Britain and Portugal or Britain and France ally with one-another. Of course, they're rather incredibly technologically backwards, so who knows? Their army needs extensive work, to say the least. Their manpower is low, but not pathetic like Portugal or Britain.
Portugal : Needs to ally itself with either Britain, Spain or France and stay glued to them if they expect to expand further. They can't go it alone at this point (they had their chance earlier) and Russia is making noises about war over Siberia.
Britain : Perpetually safe with no major enemies and nothing at all threatening them. Once they get their economy "working" again, they'll be able to do whatever they please. The fact that they most of India is a giant boon in their favor.
How does Spain have twice the income of my Spain in another game, in roughly the same time period, without holding nearly as much territory everywhere? Am I that terrible?
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 11, 2010, 02:24:45 PM
'Deal' was over a century old if not older. And you've proven yourself to be the hegemon that you accused Austria of being.... Was hoping the Western countries would get a few colonies out of you to balance out the production high Walloon provinces. Gotta maintain a semblance of a BOP, which we failed to do. :bowler:
Yes, beating Austria after four years of warfare and only barely winning it while incurring 23% war exhaustion and losing four colonies = ...French hegemony? Yeah, okay.
As I said, the deal was made and I fully expected to honor it. You, on the other hand, clearly don't want to abide by it.
Quote from: DGuller on April 11, 2010, 02:27:13 PM
How does Spain have twice the income of my Spain in another game, in roughly the same time period, without holding nearly as much territory everywhere? Am I that terrible?
Yes. Better NIs + national decisions is what you need. That and constables, etc. in every province.
It wasn't like that. Had you not been 23% war exhausted you would have likely annexed mexico from me. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity to keep you having a marked edge over Austria and the rest of us. I mean you lost some colonies to England, but undoubtedly for an agreement at a later time.
I'm not concerned about the two provinces I may have gained, much more concerned about an incredibly strong France controlled by just as efficiently of a player.
Your post exhibits precisely what paranoia looks like. You keep expecting me to declare war on you and, in so doing, create the very circumstances that will bring me to do so at a later date.
Do you really think that I can even get to Mexico? Do you not know the capabilities of your own navy? My navy is half your size and can't win a stand-up fight, much less transfer a large-enough army to fight a war across the seas.
I am not interested in taking any mainland territory from you or, for that matter, any territory at all. I stand to gain far more with a friendship with Spain than I do from any war.
:blush:
Well, either way it was still a fun game-day and I'm glad we were finally able to break the monotony of constant peace. :)
:lol: Only because you finally stood down from guaranteeing the Austrians.
I do agree, though, it was quite fun. I essentially "lost" the session, but had fun doing it all the same.
LOL, Habs "lost" the session. That is funny.
When war #2 started, Tamas was kind enough to tell me that if I went in against France, he would abrogate our agreement and go to war with me, because it was in his interest to make sure France was not "weak".
Good thing you have the Ottomans looking out for you...
:lol: Oh noes, the Russian army. Scary.
I am cuious about something.
When I DOWed Portugal, they said they would give up both provinces in Siberia - a sensible position.
However, Spain talked them out of it - I know this because you guys fail at signals security, and I was on the chat list while you were talking.
However, shortly after that, both England and Spain took WP to get out of the war, leaving just Portugal.
So - why talk Portugal into staying in the fight if you were just going to bail anyway?
Quote from: Habbaku on April 11, 2010, 02:54:42 PM
:lol: Oh noes, the Russian army. Scary.
Not scary at all, and I had no real intention of jumping in - what would I have done anyway?
Just thought it was funny that Tamas was all "OMG I MUST KEEP FRANCE STRONG!"
Well when I did that remark, the whole affair looked like a gangrape of France. Little did I know the incompetence of the Allied Powers :P
Anyways, the Ottomans are still true friends of France, but their status of near-hegemony in Europe, as of this moment, is clear.
What will be interesting to see, is how France will prevent his neighbors going against him all at once.
Quote from: Berkut on April 11, 2010, 02:55:27 PM
I am cuious about something.
When I DOWed Portugal, they said they would give up both provinces in Siberia - a sensible position.
However, Spain talked them out of it - I know this because you guys fail at signals security, and I was on the chat list while you were talking.
However, shortly after that, both England and Spain took WP to get out of the war, leaving just Portugal.
So - why talk Portugal into staying in the fight if you were just going to bail anyway?
We were close to end of session + Katmai didn't want to give them up last Sol and I knew. We told SBR to just wait and see what Katmai wanted to do.
Putting that blame on me psh. :P
Any power (even Portugal) + Austria could win a war against me at the moment, or even if they wait for my WE to go back down. I simply don't have the manpower necessary to fight a huge war with Austria while duking it out with someone else. I barely won the war with Austria and I think Kleves probably agrees with that. The only reason I did triumph after so long was better generalship (which is mostly dead now) and much lower RR--by the very end, revolts were starting to tear chunks out of him.
I think that the Turks need to consider going to war with either Austria or Russia if they expect to do anything for the rest of this game. Sitting on the sidelines isn't benefiting them in the least.
Quote from: Berkut on April 11, 2010, 02:55:27 PM
I am cuious about something.
When I DOWed Portugal, they said they would give up both provinces in Siberia - a sensible position.
However, Spain talked them out of it - I know this because you guys fail at signals security, and I was on the chat list while you were talking.
However, shortly after that, both England and Spain took WP to get out of the war, leaving just Portugal.
So - why talk Portugal into staying in the fight if you were just going to bail anyway?
Alci told me that katmai would not give those provinces up. That is why I didn't just give them to you, FWIW. I figured the end of session was close enough that I would let katmai negotiate with you if you wanted more than Deren.
That chat window kiced my ass today, I kept sending messages to the wrong people; sending those to you was the worst though. :Embarrass:
Indeed, the warfare was quite fun and exciting. :)
Ottomans should probably be taking rich Persia instead of dirt-poor Ay-rabs? Especially as Ak Koyunlu helpfully Sunnified them for you.
Re. Portugal vs Russia, I was going to give my support, but rising WE was too much to deal with.
The regions of Persia that are open to him aren't all that valuable, though, are they?
He should have taken the Arabian Peninsula a long time ago. The provinces there are almost all spices and coffee which are exceptionally valuable at this point of the game. In addition, he's got similar culture group and the manpower in those provinces isn't pathetic by any means.
Regardless, he needs to get aggressive fast or be relegated to a worse state than Russia.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 11, 2010, 03:11:14 PM
Re. Portugal vs Russia, I was going to give my support, but rising WE was too much to deal with.
My 8,000 colonial army beating the crap out of your ~14,000 was amusing. :)
From what I can see, central Persian provinces have pretty good tax base. Some of it is still under TI for me though.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 11, 2010, 03:12:31 PM
My 8,000 colonial army beating the crap out of your ~14,000 was amusing. :)
I have no army tradition and no leaders, and my manpower consists of three morris dancers and a Scottish drunk. :( So in the time-honored British tradition I mostly limit myself to beating the crap out of natives armed with vicious mangoes. :bowler:
Anyone have any thoughts about me turning Portugal into a Republic? Alci seemed to think it was a bad idea and that kat would not like it. For me it was a no-brainer. Republics are better than Monarchies unless kat had a long term plan to diplo-annex Spain or was doing some role-playing.
I just asked if it was any good, forget who said it was a terribly bad thing. Everyone pointing fingers at me today, Gawd! <_<
I've been considering republic for Britain too, actually.
Sbr and all
thanks for playing Portugal, I'm stuck writig this from my iPhone 3g as my Internet has been down since last night.
Bitched out the provider to no avail.
And berkut i will crush your pathetic Cossack ass next weekend.
Quote from: Tamas on April 11, 2010, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 11, 2010, 02:22:06 PM
12% inflation?! :blink:
Every single point of it is from events :P
:huh: Dude, just take the Stability hits.
No kidding
Next Sunday I'll need to start 30 minutes later, since I won't be home before then (of course Kat will oversleep anyway so it's a moot point). And no I don't want ulmont to sub for me, he'll go annexing Bhutan or something. :P
<_<
SBR- if you're interested in coming back I can take a look at Sweden and maybe fix it up a bit since Kleves killed off some colonies...
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 11, 2010, 04:25:59 PM
maybe fix it up a bit since Kleves killed off some colonies...
Nah, I didn't take anything from them. I only took back the colony they had taken from me.
:shifty:
Quote from: katmai on April 11, 2010, 03:31:17 PM
And berkut i will crush your pathetic Cossack ass next weekend.
You know at this point, it is simply the principle of the thing.
The Russians are relegated to ass. They get shit, and are expected to like it. "Go colonize Siberia, while the rest of the players divide up the valuable parts of the world!". Let them eat cake!
Siberia sucks ass, but at least it is ours. But that isn't enough for you, oh no. Gold provinces in SA. Tobacco, spices, coffee, all this uber wealthy provinces out there that Portugal gets, but that isn't good enough, you have to come and take whatever piece of shit province in Siberia you can lay your little hands on as well.
Well, fuck that. Bring it Portugese scum. I got nothing better to do than kill your troops, that is for sure. You were nice enough to come shit in my backyard, where at least I can use the one advantage that I do have - more troops than I can possibly ever use.
I can't help it if your backwards ass wasn't even near the coast when my glorious troops landed and founded our colonies.
Ya silly Russian.
Quote from: katmai on April 11, 2010, 03:31:17 PM
Sbr and all
thanks for playing Portugal, I'm stuck writig this from my iPhone 3g as my Internet has been down since last night.
Bitched out the provider to no avail.
And berkut i will crush your pathetic Cossack ass next weekend.
Hopefully you aren't too upset with me putting King Pedro to
the guillotine pasture and declaring the country a Republic. I am sure it was the right decision but as a temp sub it never should have been my decision to make.
Other than that I didn't do anything all that exciting. Colonized a bit, annexed Kongo, started upgrading the fleet (some of those 200 year old caravels were looking a bit rickety :P), built some buildings, supported France in their ill-fated war on France. You know the usual for Portugal. Feel free to ask any questions, privately or otherwise.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 11, 2010, 04:25:59 PM
SBR- if you're interested in coming back I can take a look at Sweden and maybe fix it up a bit since Kleves killed off some colonies...
I will think about it, I would like to play but Sweden was pretty dicey before this session. Now with only 100 years left I am not sure it would be enough fun to be worth it. I will know in a couple of days if I am available next Sunday morning and I will make a decision then.
With 3 or 4 sessions left do you all think another game might start up or will people want a break?
France fighting France? As for ships yeah I had planned on upgrades this session so it's all good.
Quote from: katmai on April 12, 2010, 12:07:24 AM
France fighting France? As for ships yeah I had planned on upgrades this session so it's all good.
We were Portugal.
Quote from: sbr on April 12, 2010, 12:00:44 AM
supported France in their ill-fated war on France
He supported Spain and Britain really. Well, "supported". :P
Quote from: sbr on April 12, 2010, 12:06:36 AM
With 3 or 4 sessions left do you all think another game might start up or will people want a break?
I plan on keeping at it and playing again. Not sure about everyone else.
The beta patches since we started has changed a good deal of things, among others the ridicously easy time you all had wit the Reformation. So I very much want to start a new game after this one.
As of France's heavy campaigning to throw me against my neighbors: I made a deal with Russia we both have kept to, my friendship with France keeps the Austrians away, so why should I choose to engage in highly risky wars against these two (for very so-so provinces, none the less) when I have much lucrative prospects elsewhere.
Quote from: Tamas on April 12, 2010, 01:59:24 AM
the ridicously easy time you all had wit the Reformation
<_<
I'm up for playing as long as everyone else.
I am having a very good time, but would probably not play again on Sundays. Julie has been a trooper about it, but it really is not a great time to be AFF for 4 hours.
by the way, I have found out that one of my buddies is quite into EU3, told him to upgrade to HttT and he is now practicing hard.
He told me he could make these Sunday times so depending on how soon the new game starts, he may be interested.
I would like to play again as well. Sundays work pretty well for me.
I will play another game after this.
I'd like to play as well.
Is there an army-size graph? If so, it would be interesting to see how that changed during the wars.
Quote from: Kleves on April 12, 2010, 02:29:04 PM
Is there an army-size graph? If so, it would be interesting to see how that changed during the wars.
turn back a page, champ :P
I said graph, not chart. :contract:
I don't think I want to take over Sweden at this point. With that much interest in another game after this one ends I will wait for that instead of playing the last 3 sessions as a backward AI ruined country.
I am available for subbing should anyone need that.
sbr, you want to take over Russia? It is a ruined country as well, but at least not be the AI!
It is actually doing ok, considering it is 1700 and I still havent Westernized the military.
Incidentally, Kleves has renamed his colony to "Ivory Coast*with". :P
Quote from: Solmyr on April 15, 2010, 08:49:08 AM
Incidentally, Kleves has renamed his colony to "Ivory Coast*with". :P
:lol:
I tried to change that damned thing all session. A colonist popped up while I was trying to correct a typo (I had mis-typed, evidently, "with").
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2010, 08:02:41 AM
sbr, you want to take over Russia? It is a ruined country as well, but at least not be the AI!
It is actually doing ok, considering it is 1700 and I still havent Westernized the military.
Yes I will take over if you need out.
Get the patch before Sunday: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471470
Checksum is IHKS.
Can someone upload the save, I forgot to save the game at the end.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 15, 2010, 11:15:58 AM
Get the patch before Sunday: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471470
Checksum is IHKS.
- Now possible to annex countries of greater size than 1. If you can vassalize them, you can annex them as well, but you always need to occupy their whole territory.
Interesting...
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2010, 01:27:04 PM
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- Now possible to annex countries of greater size than 1. If you can vassalize them, you can annex them as well, but you always need to occupy their whole territory.
Interesting...
Back to the EU 1 days, where you could always annex a 3 province or smaller nation.
IE, how it should be.
I'm not sure I like the lack of ability to disband the HRE after its become hereditary. Essentially, with that patch, it's impossible to prevent Kleves from proceeding as he wishes with the HRE.
OK, sbr - Russia is all yours.
I am going to bow out of the Sunday game time - it is really just not a great time. Sitting there for four hours on a weekend while my kids keep asking when I can go for a bike ride or play catch is just not a great plan.
I had a great time though, and it certainly got me hooked on EU3 MP.
Quote from: Berkut on April 16, 2010, 02:06:11 PM
OK, sbr - Russia is all yours.
I am going to bow out of the Sunday game time - it is really just not a great time. Sitting there for four hours on a weekend while my kids keep asking when I can go for a bike ride or play catch is just not a great plan.
I had a great time though, and it certainly got me hooked on EU3 MP.
I totally understand, I just recent started playing MP as my kids are now old enough that they don't want to do anything with me anymore. Unless they need a ride.
Is everyone else getting IHKS as their checksum? I'm getting QCLS, even after a reinstall. Going to keep trying...
Quote from: Habbaku on April 16, 2010, 09:48:44 PM
Is everyone else getting IHKS as their checksum? I'm getting QCLS, even after a reinstall. Going to keep trying...
I think I recall seeing that immediately after patching, but next time I started EU3 I got IHKS.
Install, Kill map cache, start eu3, exit, restart, correct checksum.
Thanks, DG, it worked after I restarted a couple more times. That was weird.
Could someone upload the save for me?
http://www.mediafire.com/?uwydzdixz1z
Quote from: Habbaku on April 17, 2010, 01:08:22 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/?uwydzdixz1z
Thank you. :)
As mentioned, I will be home slightly later tomorrow, so we'll have to begin 30 minutes later than usual. I might be online sooner than that, but it's not certain.
Ok so that means we start at 5PM my time, and just to let you know in advance, 20-30 minutes after that, I will have to AFK for 10-15 minutes or so... so either we pause or go to speed 1 or something for that time
That's weird.
I'm here now.
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Christ, my head hurts after that.
With the defeat of Austria, Portugal, Spain, and Russia by France, England, and the OE, the game is basically over.
I give the following final rankings: 1. France, 2. Spain, 3. Austria, 4. England, 5. Portugal, 6. OE, 7. Russia.
I rank myself over Portugal :P
lol :D
I rank myself at least equal to Austria, and with my planned acquisition of Portuguese India higher than them. :P
Good all things considered, with England being in the shithole at the start of the game. I'm not really playing these games to see who "wins" the first place, I'm just trying to do the best I can with my own country. So helping France was not something I considered game-breaking, but rather something that Britain could benefit from.
Good luck with next game guys, but with this weekend TV job making it a pain in butt to play at such early time.
BTW, for winning: Prestige should be our VP for the next game.
Don't think we really need to determine "winners" as such, as long as people have fun. If you achieve your goals, you've won. Prestige can be manipulated, too.
Btw, if we start in 1453, Muscovy will be fucked, since they don't get Novgorod until 1480. Of course we could just not play them...
Quote from: Solmyr on April 18, 2010, 05:01:15 PM
Don't think we really need to determine "winners" as such, as long as people have fun. If you achieve your goals, you've won.
I agree. In these games of ours, the dynamics at play and such were the most interesting.
Yeah, try starting in 1399 as them. :glare:
Quote from: Tamas on April 18, 2010, 04:59:25 PM
BTW, for winning: Prestige should be our VP for the next game.
:huh: Anyone even making a half-hearted attempt can permanently max that out at 100.
Hell I'm sure habs and kleves were idling around there for a long time considering the land battles.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 18, 2010, 05:01:15 PM
Btw, if we start in 1453, Muscovy will be fucked, since they don't get Novgorod until 1480.
Then they'll have their work cut out for them. It's not that hard compared to 1399, but it is a fight.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 18, 2010, 05:13:42 PM
Hell I'm sure habs and kleves were idling around there for a long time considering the land battles.
I was pretty even due to battles. I just had a bunch of national decisions and Constitutional Monarchy giving me maxed out Prestige--anything I lost would just be regained over a few years.
All it takes to get ~60-70% is a decent Philosopher.
With all that done, I figure I may as well get a fire lit for next week's game. Consensus seems to be that we'll be starting the 1453 scenario, though that may change if someone makes a good case against it.
Here's the roster, as of current :
Habbaku - Brandenburg/Prussia
Tamas - ?
Tamas' newbie friend (hopefully didn't take lessons from Tamas) - ?
Kleves - ?
Solmyr - ?
Alci - ?
sbr? - ?
DGuller? - ?
Those unlisted, please post your top three desired nations and we'll figure something out. Also, anyone that wants to jump into a fresh game and can consistently make the times, please feel free to sign up; we'd be more than glad to have you.
I want a non-colonizer this time. My top three picks are Ottomans/Austria/Venice.
I don't really want a colonizer, either, but nor do I want Austria/OE/Russia/France, so I guess I'm in a bit of a bind. :P
Quote from: Kleves on April 19, 2010, 12:23:07 AM
I don't really want a colonizer, either, but nor do I want Austria/OE/Russia/France, so I guess I'm in a bit of a bind. :P
Riga?
Quote from: DGuller on April 19, 2010, 12:12:24 AM
I want a non-colonizer this time. My top three picks are Ottomans/Austria/Venice.
Venice intrigues me too. I think we should try to have an Italian player and AFAICT Venice is really the only reasonable option in '53.
I really don't want to be France, outside of that I am not too particular. I wouldn't mind trying England but someone, maybe Tamas, said they wanted them in the chat after the game.
Quote from: Kleves on April 19, 2010, 12:23:07 AM
I don't really want a colonizer, either, but nor do I want Austria/OE/Russia/France, so I guess I'm in a bit of a bind. :P
Could always take a Muslim or Indian power (Khorasan? Viyajasdfaklsjgar?) and make them into the Mughals. Poland is also available.
Either way, please actually list your preferences in your next post. ;)
Quote from: sbr on April 19, 2010, 01:01:27 AM
Venice intrigues me too. I think we should try to have an Italian player and AFAICT Venice is really the only reasonable option in '53.
I really don't want to be France, outside of that I am not too particular. I wouldn't mind trying England but someone, maybe Tamas, said they wanted them in the chat after the game.
Haven't looked too deeply at the '53 scenario. Is Milan that bad off? I would think they are the most viable, but Venice is, of course, in a good position as well.
1453 is bad for a number of reasons, one being the aforementioned Muscovy thing, another being Spain having it harder due to no Castile-Aragon alliance yet. France has the best position overall, Ottomans too due to weaker Austria and Muscovy (and Castile).
I suggest starting a 1492 game but having Austria release the Netherlands as an independent nation, with someone playing that. This would: 1) give a HRE counter to Austria; 2) give another Protestant power besides England (and can help spread protestantism on the continent); 3) Provide another colonizer to compete against Spain/Portugal/England/France. IMO it's better than having a player nation JUST to counter Austria, or any other single nation. That's assuming Austria even needs a counter after the HRE expansion nerfs in the latest beta.
As for my picks, I'd go for Ottomans first, Spain second, or Russia third.
I don't think that the Netherlands really counts as an HRE counter to Austria--they are on the periphery and don't have the same ability to push back against the Austrians and I don't know if they really have a realistic chance of ever competing over the Imperial elections.
Not that I necessarily disagree with the idea of Austria releasing the Netherlands if we do 1492. If someone wishes to play them, more power to them.
I think we currently have 8 people so, ideally, we'd have England, France, Spain, Austria, Ottomans, Russia and two others. That leaves Portugal, the Netherlands, Brandenburg-Prussia, Sweden, Poland and Venice open as the medium-powers to be played. My personal preference is still to play Brandenburg and sbr said he wanted Venice, so...
Quote from: Habbaku on April 19, 2010, 01:36:14 AM
Quote from: sbr on April 19, 2010, 01:01:27 AM
Venice intrigues me too. I think we should try to have an Italian player and AFAICT Venice is really the only reasonable option in '53.
I really don't want to be France, outside of that I am not too particular. I wouldn't mind trying England but someone, maybe Tamas, said they wanted them in the chat after the game.
Haven't looked too deeply at the '53 scenario. Is Milan that bad off? I would think they are the most viable, but Venice is, of course, in a good position as well.
In '53 Milan is two provinces and starts at war with Venice, who has about 6 provinces. In the game I just ran Milan was annexed within 4 years; a human ally, especially if it was Austria could help but Milan is pretty weak in most scenarios after 1399.
Naples is 4 provinces in '53 but Aragon almost always starts with the 'Conquer Naples' mission and they usually ally the Pope. I was playing Naples and got bitch-slapped by the 2 AI allies within 6 years. :Embarrass:
If we are now thinking about a '92 start I will go back and check that out. I could go for an Italian nation of some flavor assuming the other people filled out the other important countries.
I think Italy would add a lot more to the game than Portugal myself.
If we have no human Portugal, that would let human colonizers become very strong indeed (Castile/Spain especially).
Netherlands was just a suggestion. IMO there's no real need to artificially weaken 1492 Austria anymore, especially if there's Brandenburg in play.
I myself prefer 1492 because it has all major powers start on a more or less equal footing (aside from England which doesn't change from 1399-1453 much). Of course 1492 would be comparatively worse for Brandenburg. 1453 is ok but IMO not very different from 1399, and some people didn't like 1399, so...
Quote from: Solmyr on April 19, 2010, 02:49:25 AM
If we have no human Portugal, that would let human colonizers become very strong indeed (Castile/Spain especially).
Netherlands was just a suggestion. IMO there's no real need to artificially weaken 1492 Austria anymore, especially if there's Brandenburg in play.
I myself prefer 1492 because it has all major powers start on a more or less equal footing (aside from England which doesn't change from 1399-1453 much). Of course 1492 would be comparatively worse for Brandenburg. 1453 is ok but IMO not very different from 1399, and some people didn't like 1399, so...
But what MP Portugal isn't attached at the hip to Castille/Spain? They might as well be the same country, they just get twice as many colonists as anyone else.
IMO the counter a united Italy can play to both France and Austria is worth a hell of a lot more than what Portugal adds to the game. If Spain and Portugal are going to be joined at the hip we might as well just let Spain conquer the peninsula for themsevles.
You bastards.
I want to realize my Milan from the 1st eu3 mp
I'd be willing to get lack of sleep to try that out again or to play Sweden.
People, we can start at any date, just remember your history lessons and choose one :P
I really dont mind what power I get. Heck, I would not mind that much to have the Ottos again, now that they have their own tech group, unit roster, and maybe I would not get retarded monarchs and constant negative stability events in the first half of the game. But obviously they are the last on my preference list.
But to give a couple of names, England and Austria.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 18, 2010, 11:33:57 PM
Tamas' newbie friend (hopefully didn't take lessons from Tamas) - ?
And just what that's supposed to mean?! :ultra:
I will try and contact the guy today. Will either have him register here, or tell you that he is not interested.
Hopefully we can get a bigger crew, Alci's connection should be able to handle it.
My connection is rock solid. :cool:
I'd like to play: France, OE, Sweden
I suspected I was the glue holding this game together...
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2010, 08:51:58 AM
I suspected I was the glue holding this game together...
You were certainly the glue keeping the Russo-Turkish alliance together :P sbr jumped on me, so at one time I had Austrians blitzing down the Balkans, 130 Spanish ships blockading the Dardanelles, and Russians coming from Europe and the Caucasus.
But, he also proved you right since after a deadlock I gained the upper hand and started to gobble up his provinces and white peace him out of the war. ^_^
I suppose I could take the OE (Tamas has: convinced me) or Castile.
I can take Castile then.
I also got a friend who is interested in joining, I'll have him register here asap.
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure I want to play Venice. If sbr passes on it, I want to take it. I don't mind being a minor power, I think Italian unification would be fun with a right alliance or two.
Right, that leaves us with :
Habbaku - Brandenburg (maybe)
Kleves - Ottoman Empire
Solmyr - Castile
DGuller - Venice
Alci - France
Tamas - England
Katmai - Sweden (?)
sbr - Venice if he wants, otherwise needs to pick another
Tamas' Friend - ?
Solmyr's Friend - ?
My friend has registered, currently waiting for the confirmation e-mail. Katmai probably ate it.
Have we decided on the starting date yet?
I think we're settled on 1492 with Austria releasing (and de-vassalizing) the Netherlands.
Having just checked out the scenario, though, the Netherlands isn't releasable in 1492--only Holland exists and has cores on the northern three provinces.
Do we need to release it?
Quote from: Habbaku on April 19, 2010, 11:36:22 AM
Having just checked out the scenario, though, the Netherlands isn't releasable in 1492--only Holland exists and has cores on the northern three provinces.
:bleeding: how about just 1399 then? France and Muscovy has it hard but otherwise its rather equally spread challenge-wise. Okay, Venice is fucked as well...
Quote from: Solmyr on April 19, 2010, 11:38:22 AM
Do we need to release it?
I suppose getting them released does make a nice war-aim during the second session.
How about we all make an agreement to help out the nations that start out badly to set themselves up successfully, regardless of alliances? The complicated human diplomacy will probably not come into play in the first hundred years, we might as well all collectively make sure that every human gets a viable nation going.
IMO with the new HRE expansion checks and Brandenburg being in play Austria will have plenty of counters even with a 1492 start. Although I'd be fine with 1453 or 1399 too.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 19, 2010, 11:49:36 AM
IMO with the new HRE expansion checks and Brandenburg being in play Austria will have plenty of counters even with a 1492 start. Although I'd be fine with 1453 or 1399 too.
Good point, my vote is still on 1453 though. Don't tell me Muscovy is worse off than in 1399.
Quote from: Tamas on April 19, 2010, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on April 19, 2010, 11:49:36 AM
IMO with the new HRE expansion checks and Brandenburg being in play Austria will have plenty of counters even with a 1492 start. Although I'd be fine with 1453 or 1399 too.
Good point, my vote is still on 1453 though. Don't tell me Muscovy is worse off than in 1399.
I'm with Tamas on this--I prefer a 1453 start to yet another 1492 in which the Netherlands being Austrian from the get-go ends up hamstringing diplomacy for a long time.
I'm fine with 1453 then - Castile being a junior partner in a union with Aragon in 1492 is way too much hassle anyway, not to mention rather questionable (Castile was by far the more important of the two kingdoms).
So it is settled then? 1453?
My friend, running on the name Anatron here btw, is considering being the eastern edge of things, with one of the countries being able to form the mughals. any recommendations?
Quote from: Tamas on April 19, 2010, 11:26:01 AM
My friend has registered, currently waiting for the confirmation e-mail. Katmai probably ate it.
Have we decided on the starting date yet?
Don't look at me.
Neil and Herr stankass are the only two who deal with that.
Neil probably vetoed it per his 1 gypsy on board rule, so it is all your fault Tamas.
Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2010, 12:30:20 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 19, 2010, 11:26:01 AM
My friend has registered, currently waiting for the confirmation e-mail. Katmai probably ate it.
Have we decided on the starting date yet?
Don't look at me.
Neil and Herr stankass are the only two who deal with that.
Neil probably vetoed it per his 1 gypsy on board rule, so it is all your fault Tamas.
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Why am I not surprised you would use a Hitler picture.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 19, 2010, 11:49:36 AM
IMO with the new HRE expansion checks and Brandenburg being in play Austria will have plenty of counters even with a 1492 start.
:yes:
I don't think we need to worry about Austria, especially since we have a human Bradenburg and Venice.
Quote from: Tamas on April 19, 2010, 12:15:27 PM
So it is settled then? 1453?
My friend, running on the name Anatron here btw, is considering being the eastern edge of things, with one of the countries being able to form the mughals. any recommendations?
Khorasan?
Khorasan seems the most likely. They are, however, a Shiite country in charge of an all-Sunni kingdom. However, compared to their neighbors the Timurids, they are in a great position. The Timurids start with a tribal government, which can be hell to get out of.
Can Delhi form the Mughals?
Quote from: Solmyr on April 19, 2010, 01:49:11 PM
Can Delhi form the Mughals?
No they are the wrong culture. If I read the decision and culture map right only The Tims, Khorasan and Qara Koyu.... can.
Checked, it needs to be Altaic or Iranian culture group, which I think means also most of the Central Asians (Chagatai, Khazakh, etc).
Timurids shouldn't be too bad for it, since you don't actually need to get out of tribal despotism, the Mughal decision changes you to despotic monarchy automatically. And with the tribal government it's a lot easier to get CBs and cores that you need for it.
Upon further consideration, I want Austria :hmm:
I'll be taking Japan
Quote from: Tamas on April 19, 2010, 04:31:32 PM
Upon further consideration, I want Austria :hmm:
I'll take England then.
Quote from: Tamas on April 19, 2010, 04:31:32 PM
Upon further consideration, I want Austria :hmm:
I predict the Brandenburg blob!
Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2010, 05:30:37 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 19, 2010, 04:31:32 PM
Upon further consideration, I want Austria :hmm:
I predict the Brandenburg blob!
Puhleaze! :rolleyes:
One thing I noticed with this patch is that it is much harder to maintain your imperial authority due to the new annex rules. France steamrolls Savoy in one war, BOOM -10. Poland insta-annexes Pomerania there goes another 10. And etc.
Speaking of Brandenburg, shouldn't we get a Poland? :P
Do we start this Sunday?
Yes, that's the plan.
Lets get an ongoing list of taken countries to avoid people asking for already taken ones please.
You mean like the two I've posted already since we decided to start over? Yeah, sorry I've been so lax. :huh:
Habbaku - Brandenburg (maybe)
Kleves - Ottoman Empire
Solmyr - Castile
DGuller - Venice
Alci - France
Tamas - Austria
Katmai - Sweden (?)
sbr - England
Tamas' friend - middle east-ish
Solmyr's Friend - ?
To be fair the most recent one was two pages back.
Hmm well if sol's friend doesn't play/pick Muscovy wouldn't it more sense for me to switch over from Sweden?
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2010, 02:00:42 AM
Hmm well if sol's friend doesn't play/pick Muscovy wouldn't it more sense for me to switch over from Sweden?
Yes, of course
Also, for example, intra-HRE big diplo-annexes alá Bohemia by Austria should be done with high prestige and low infamy because of the non-core provs you will get, you'll have considerable penalties on both for 50 years. :hmm:
My friend should be registering here today, and he said he was interested in Russia.
Ok, so Khorasan it is for my friend. But when the fuck he will be approved to the forums? Please get around doing it by Sunday, kthxbye
What about PMing the actual person in charge of that? (It's Neil).
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 20, 2010, 09:32:37 AM
What about PMing the actual person in charge of that? (It's Neil).
Just where is the challenge in that? :P
Quote from: Tamas on April 20, 2010, 09:46:18 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 20, 2010, 09:32:37 AM
What about PMing the actual person in charge of that? (It's Neil).
Just where is the challenge in that? :P
Getting Neil to actually listen and/or do what you are asking of him.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 20, 2010, 12:09:03 AM
You mean like the two I've posted already since we decided to start over? Yeah, sorry I've been so lax. :huh:
I forgive you. :D
My friend registered here under the name of Sacris, should I send a PM to Neil to get him approved?
Quote from: Solmyr on April 20, 2010, 02:12:38 PM
My friend registered here under the name of Sacris, should I send a PM to Neil to get him approved?
If you do, please ask him to approve Anatron as well.
Ffs tamas just send a pm already you lazy goat fucker.
Sol, cool to hear about your friend I'll be content to stay with Sweden then.
Looks like I made it at last!
In case somebody missed it, I'm indeed Solmyr's (noob) friend, and like him, one of the chosen few lucky enough to be born in the good old USSR.... oO
erhm..anyway, looking forward to playing with you guys. Muscowy is fine by me and...uh..be gentle?
Great, more Russians.
No worries, Habs is in central Germany, and Katmai is your neighbor. :D
Indeed. You can rely on Katmai to sell you all of Finland for half a mule.
Well, I'm not russian, quite the opposite, estonian actually :D (good thing I'm not a nationalist, eh? ^^ )
though, like Sol, I've settled in the allmighty Empire of Finlandia.
Katmai...make that a quarter of a mule?
Quote from: Habbaku on April 21, 2010, 05:01:27 PM
Indeed. You can rely on Katmai to sell you all of Finland for half a mule.
lol so during our last session of the previous game, I got a core on a Portugese province bordering mine on one of the bigger islands of the Far East. So I asked katmai, how much he wants for it?
He said 250 gold... I was: ":huh: uhm, okay, I will give you 500"
Wait until you hear from Solmyr about the Great Mortgage of India.
Updated list :
Habbaku - Brandenburg
Kleves - Ottoman Empire
Solmyr - Castile
DGuller - Venice
Alci - France
Tamas - Austria
Katmai - Sweden
sbr - England
Tamas' friend - Khorasan
Solmyr's Friend - Muscovy
Well to be fair it was tamas as I figured his OE could only afford about 250 ducats.
As for Sweden in this game finland falls under the scope of the greater scandanvian co prosperity sphere.
Quote from: katmai on April 21, 2010, 07:57:42 PM
As for Sweden in this game finland falls under the scope of the greater scandanvian co prosperity sphere.
I can only hope you actually stick to this. Don't sell people your territory and fight for your own interests instead of others', please.
Quote from: katmai on April 21, 2010, 07:57:42 PM
Well to be fair it was tamas as I figured his OE could only afford about 250 ducats.
As for Sweden in this game finland falls under the scope of the greater scandanvian co prosperity sphere.
Even the sultan's breakfast costed 250 ducats a day :rolleyes:
Quote from: Habbaku on April 21, 2010, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 21, 2010, 07:57:42 PM
As for Sweden in this game finland falls under the scope of the greater scandanvian co prosperity sphere.
I can only hope you actually stick to this. Don't sell people your territory and fight for your own interests instead of others', please.
I don't make any promises!!
Quote from: Tamas on April 22, 2010, 03:07:20 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 21, 2010, 07:57:42 PM
Well to be fair it was tamas as I figured his OE could only afford about 250 ducats.
As for Sweden in this game finland falls under the scope of the greater scandanvian co prosperity sphere.
Even the sultan's breakfast costed 250 ducats a day :rolleyes:
So he was such a gluttonus slug is why OE was behind Portugal?
Regarding Habbaku of Brandenburg handing out advices to Sweden and Muscowy: he will only have the Baltic coast as initial conquest target because not only he could not tackle Teh Holy Emperor, the infamy cost of german provinces would finish him off. :contract:
Quote from: katmai on April 22, 2010, 03:17:14 AM
Quote from: Tamas on April 22, 2010, 03:07:20 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 21, 2010, 07:57:42 PM
Well to be fair it was tamas as I figured his OE could only afford about 250 ducats.
As for Sweden in this game finland falls under the scope of the greater scandanvian co prosperity sphere.
Even the sultan's breakfast costed 250 ducats a day :rolleyes:
So he was such a gluttonus slug is why OE was behind Portugal?
I was not behind Portugal. That's my story and I am sticking to it.
Baltic is mine!!!1
Baltic is a Spanish colony you fuckers.
And Tamas as Austria is going down so hard. :bleeding:
Quote from: Sacris on April 21, 2010, 06:17:47 PM
Well, I'm not russian, quite the opposite, estonian actually :D (good thing I'm not a nationalist, eh? ^^ )
It all belongs to Mother Russia.
And stop calling yourself a noob, you can kick Katmai's ass easily. :P
Quote from: Solmyr on April 22, 2010, 03:49:21 AM
Baltic is a Spanish colony you fuckers.
And Tamas as Austria is going down so hard. :bleeding:
I don't get this attitude. Habbaku has only powergamered away from everyone else in 3 Languish games so far. :P
Tamas, I wish for there to be peace between us. I am willing to let you keep Vienna, and perhaps another province, should you pledge eternal vassalage to the Sublime Porte.
Quote from: katmai on April 22, 2010, 03:20:01 AM
Baltic is mine!!!1
I'd like to make a deal with the Swedish King. In exchange for canceling your alliance with Scotland I will promise to not shoot holes in the fishing boats and inflatable rafts you call a navy.
Only playing once a week is going to suck. I gotta quit reading this thread.
I stop by for the pre-game posturing, that's really entertaining.
What about the post-game posturing?
Quote from: Tamas on April 22, 2010, 03:18:38 AM
Regarding Habbaku of Brandenburg handing out advices to Sweden and Muscowy: he will only have the Baltic coast as initial conquest target because not only he could not tackle Teh Holy Emperor, the infamy cost of german provinces would finish him off. :contract:
The Margrave of Brandenburg is a peaceful man who wishes nothing but good upon the Emperor.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 22, 2010, 02:01:18 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 22, 2010, 03:18:38 AM
Regarding Habbaku of Brandenburg handing out advices to Sweden and Muscowy: he will only have the Baltic coast as initial conquest target because not only he could not tackle Teh Holy Emperor, the infamy cost of german provinces would finish him off. :contract:
The Margrave of Brandenburg is a peaceful man who wishes nothing but good upon the Emperor.
The Emperor being himself?
Quote from: sbr on April 22, 2010, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 22, 2010, 03:20:01 AM
Baltic is mine!!!1
I'd like to make a deal with the Swedish King. In exchange for canceling your alliance with Scotland I will promise to not shoot holes in the fishing boats and inflatable rafts you call a navy.
:yeahright:
I guess I'll have to help my Scottish allies by starting up raids on English monastaries.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 22, 2010, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on April 22, 2010, 02:01:18 PM
The Margrave of Brandenburg is a peaceful man who wishes nothing but good upon the Emperor.
The Emperor being himself?
You're spoiling the surprise!
Quote from: Habbaku on April 22, 2010, 01:18:12 PM
What about the post-game posturing?
I haven't been quick enough to catch those except the Slargos affair, that was internet humour at its best.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 22, 2010, 03:49:21 AM
Baltic is a Spanish colony you fuckers.
And Tamas as Austria is going down so hard. :bleeding:
uups! I think you made a typo or something there.
Correction: Spain is a Baltic colony.
..you're totally welcome.