Still unsure what happened. Sounds awful.
Quote
There are multiple reports on Twitter of an explosion at the Boston Marathon.
We spoke to a Boston Police Department Spokesperson who said there was "some sort of incident at 671 Boylston Street", which is the finish line for the race. They could not give out further information at the time of the call.
Live video from CBS (http://www.businessinsider.com/blackboard/cbs) shows ambulances at the scene (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013-boston-marathon-finish-line/). Fox News (http://www.businessinsider.com/blackboard/fox-news) reports that there were two explosions.
Reporters on the scene are reporting dozens of injuries and lost limbs. TV crews are showing images lots of blood on the ground.
The pictures below all appear to be from the scene. Some show smoke and the explosion, others appear to show injured people (warning some photos may be upsetting)
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/explosion-at-boston-marathon-2013-4#ixzz2QYqonEgZ (http://www.businessinsider.com/explosion-at-boston-marathon-2013-4#ixzz2QYqonEgZ)
http://inagist.com/all/323872599199322113/ (http://inagist.com/all/323872599199322113/)
People are bereft of limbs and heads.
Explosions, too.
Had a friend running in the marathon this year.
Yes. Eplosions came first though.
MSNBC's got the video for both explosions going off on tape.
My mother just radioed in to say she was safe and they had visited this morning. Glad I had seen this thread or would have been like - what?
Lots of blood (https://twitter.com/brm90/status/323876631980687361/photo/1).
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2013, 02:31:54 PM
Lots of blood (https://twitter.com/brm90/status/323876631980687361/photo/1).
Seems like a lot of people in the blast area that they keep showing on CNN
Can't tell if the bombs were in a building, or behind or under the main grandstand; the first one looks like it was actually in a building. They were definitely on Boylston Street though, between Dartmouth and Exeter.
Casualties talk is bad. Limbs are missing. The first video, there were definitely people within the blast area.
We need Count and Captain Mihali to check in.
I doubt either of those goombahs were there.
KRonn too.
More possible bombs scattered around. They are clearing the area out a bit to allow the bomb squads to move around.
This chick was there.
https://twitter.com/JackieBrunoNECN
Pics and stuff.
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Jackie Bruno @JackieBrunoNECN 15m
My photog @JohnHammann and I are safe. But, we were very very close. Saw people on the ground with limbs missing. Awful.
Edit: http://www.businessinsider.com/boston-marathon-explosion-video-2013-4
Police scanner says more bombs are being found around the city.
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/6254
Reminds me of the Octoberfest bombing in Munich 1980.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oktoberfest_terror_attack
BPD's K9 unit is going to catch a raft of shit for this one, if those devices were indeed in trashcans as witnesses are teliing ESPN. Doubtful they were placed during the race, but before.
JFK Museum is apparently on fire, could or coupd not be connected.
Just heard from friend, his wife finished 20 mins before explosions and they were three blocks away when happened.
Wouldnt have had to worry about me; I'd be walking the last 26.
:(
Today is Patriot's Day, same holiday that marked 1995 McVeigh bombing. Domestic?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 15, 2013, 02:36:03 PM
KRonn too.
More possible bombs scattered around. They are clearing the area out a bit to allow the bomb squads to move around.
I'm here and ok, wasn't in the city today. I'm worrying about my neighbors though, husband, wife and two young kids. They might have gone to watch, as the wife is a runner. She's pregnant so wouldn't be running and hasn't run the long races, just the shorter ones. They could have gone to watch, but I'm speculating as no one has been home there since early this morning.
:(
A couple of explosions, plus the police may have found more bombs, or have suspicions of it, at a couple of other locations.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 15, 2013, 03:09:48 PM
Today is Patriot's Day, same holiday that marked 1995 McVeigh bombing. Domestic?
If their finding other devices, good bet it's domestic.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 15, 2013, 03:09:48 PM
Today is Patriot's Day, same holiday that marked 1995 McVeigh bombing. Domestic?
I've never heard of that one. Presumably something to do with taxes?
Very sad/bizarre this picture:
blood, American flag bag on the ground, and M&M candy giving the thumbs up.
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:(
It occurs to me that this was done at a place where the explosions would be highly likely to be caught on video.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2013, 03:18:02 PM
It occurs to me that this was done at a place where the explosions would be highly likely to be caught on video.
It was. Seedy's right that the PD are going to be in deep shit for this one- the bombs slipped through in places tailor-made for a terror attack.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 15, 2013, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 15, 2013, 03:09:48 PM
Today is Patriot's Day, same holiday that marked 1995 McVeigh bombing. Domestic?
If their finding other devices, good bet it's domestic.
Could be a distinct possibility, but it could also be homegrown Al Qaeda types that want to hit a significant event. There's been arrests of hardhead plotters in Massachusetts before.
Damn. So ugly :(
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QuoteBoston Marathon explosion: Huntsville woman just crossed finish line, says scene was 'pure chaos'
By Paul Gattis | [email protected]
on April 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM, updated April 15, 2013 at 3:27 PM
BOSTON -- Suzanne Taylor of Huntsville had just completed her third Boston Marathon when explosions shook the area at the finish line, injuring dozens.
"I had probably crossed the finish line less than five minutes before it happened," Taylor said about 30 minutes after the explosion. "It just became pure chaos and we had to get out. I had to hurry back to my hotel."
Taylor's voice was still shaking as she spoke.
"Very scary, very scary," she said.
Her husband, Dink, finished the race about an hour before the explosions, Suzanne said. She spoke from her hotel, which she said was about a mile from the site of the explosions.
"I can feel my phone going off like crazy," she said as other people attempted to reach her by cell phone. "They're saying it was trash cans. It was just chaos down there. You can hear the fire engines and medical people. It's bad."
According to the Boston Marathon list of entrants on its website, 20 runners from Madison County were participating.
Taylor said she had just completed the race and received her medal, a bottle of water and a blanket that all runners get at the end of the race when the explosions happened.
"There were two explosions, one big one and one small one - right after the other," she said. "At first, we thought it was a compressor. Then everybody started saying it was a bomb. Everybody just started trying to run. It's hard to run after you run a marathon but there were people rushing to get out of the area.
"When one bomb went off, you didn't know if something else was going to go off."
Taylor said she noticed more of a military presence when the race with 27,000 runners started.
"We noticed that they had military upon the buildings watching," Taylor said. "I wonder if they had had some...that was kind of peculiar to me. That's kind of weird to have military people up there with binoculars before a running event at the start.
"It just didn't look normal. It just didn't look normal."
Several thousand runners were still on the course, Taylor said, and she estimated there was about a thousand spectators at the finish line when the explosions took place.
"It was very crowded," Taylor said. "It was very, very crowded."
:hmm:
12 dead, nearly 50 wounded, 10 with amputated limbs.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 15, 2013, 03:21:31 PM
Seedy's right that the PD are going to be in deep shit for this one- the bombs slipped through in places tailor-made for a terror attack.
News is saying the area was swept by the po-po pup-pups this AM, before the race started but not during; they're also saying that some witnesses are saying at least one of these devices was in a mailbox.
It will be interesting if any helpful surveillance video surfaces later, which I'm sure it will. I'm sure every business with a camera system within 10 blocks is being scoured right now for the last 24 hours' worth of footage.
How much of the preventative effort for a major public event like this is done by non-local security?
IE, does FBI get involved in security before the event, or is it strictly Boston PD?
The "military presence" may have just been the National Guard, which was there helping out.
QuoteLots of unconfirmed statements in this NYPost article from unnamed sources, like: 1) first explosion occured in the lobby of the Fairmont Hotel 2) Authorities ID a suspect in marathon bombings - he is being guarded in Boston hospital. Note: This is all unconfirmed.
Quote from: derspiess on April 15, 2013, 03:47:04 PM
The "military presence" may have just been the National Guard, which was there helping out.
I assumed they were always there, at least since 9/11, which is why I thought her comment was strange.
People automatically go in to conspiracy logic during times of crisis. Alex Jones is already being an asshat on twitter.
I almost wonder about the fact it is Kim il Sung's birthday, apparently the biggest holiday in Norkistan. Can't even imagine how crazy things would get if this was linked to North Korea.
My feeling is 50/50 between McVeigh types and homegrown Muslim terrorists. A huge portion of the terrorists we've caught plotting shit stateside have been moron amateur hour domestic guys wanting to glorify Allah but with none of the training of real mujahideen/al-Qaeda types. One of these days some knucklehead American who reads too many Islamic jihad message boards is bound to get lucky with some amateur plot.
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2013, 03:47:03 PM
How much of the preventative effort for a major public event like this is done by non-local security?
IE, does FBI get involved in security before the event, or is it strictly Boston PD?
FBI's not really involved in stuff like this, especially in a city with such massive agencies as Boston PD.
They may send a representative agent to the local TacOps Center if it was ramped up by BPD--if the TOC was even fired up for something like the Boston Marathon, which I really doubt.
But they rarely deign to honor everybody with their presence unless it's something really, really big.
QuotePolice: Explosion at JFK Library may be connected to Boston Marathon bombings.
This worries me. A few people I used to work with were working in development for the JFK Library & Foundation last time I checked. :(
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 15, 2013, 03:56:06 PM
My feeling is 50/50 between McVeigh types and homegrown Muslim terrorists. A huge portion of the terrorists we've caught plotting shit stateside have been moron amateur hour domestic guys wanting to glorify Allah but with none of the training of real mujahideen/al-Qaeda types. One of these days some knucklehead American who reads too many Islamic jihad message boards is bound to get lucky with some amateur plot.
I'm leaning homegrown Mooselimbs, if only for location. Luckily, the idiot or idiots couldn't park a van and take the wrong keys with them this time.
They do classify the incident at the JFK library as "related" however, so we can't rule out Damned Dirty Protties.
"Does this mean Ann Margaret won't be coming?"
It's hard for me to imagine why Muslims would want to attack the JFK, yeah.
I'm not making any guesses.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2013, 04:07:30 PM
I'm not making any guesses.
You really can't; too many possibilities at this point.
Hell, could just be a single guy pissed that it's Income Tax Day.
Apparently tonight's Bruins game has been postponed.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2013, 04:08:42 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2013, 04:07:30 PM
I'm not making any guesses.
You really can't; too many possibilities at this point.
Hell, could just be a single guy pissed that it's Income Tax Day.
There is a troubling history of violence from the hardcore anti-tax types, nothing quite so flashy before but this wouldn't be totally new ground for them. Unlike an attack of 9/11 planning which you pretty much know is highly organized terror from the get go this could be anything. Anyone with a few dollars and an Internet connection can make a few pipe bombs, could easily be one lone nut.
Video. (http://www.boston.com/video/viral_page/?/services/player/bcpid1367773107001&bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAA6piHY~,DqRT40XOAr9OWST-YiEQyzUCo3g3L-Af&bctid=2303076923001) Screaming warning.
QuoteTwo people are dead and at least 49 injured after after two powerful explosions went off near the Boston Marathon finish line, and authorities have now confirmed that they have a suspect who is currently being guarded in a Boston hospital with shrapnel wounds.
The New York Post reports the suspect is a Saudi national
:ph34r:
Just found out. Sucks.
The base I'm on has not gone crazy.. Yet.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 15, 2013, 04:13:12 PM
There is a troubling history of violence from the hardcore anti-tax types, nothing quite so flashy before but this wouldn't be totally new ground for them.
Oh, I don't know...flying a plane into an IRS office building is pretty damned flashy, dude :lol:
But that was in Austin, not Boston. Hardcore anti-taxers just don't seem to grow in the metropolitan Northeast as much as they do south of the Mason-Dixon and the far West. If there are any, they usually leave.
The JFK Library does make things irksome, though. There's a significance behind that one.
QuoteUnlike an attack of 9/11 planning which you pretty much know is highly organized terror from the get go this could be anything. Anyone with a few dollars and an Internet connection can make a few pipe bombs, could easily be one lone nut.
Yup. All it takes is one. Interesting how the smoke from both explosions is white; I'm no bomb expert, but I do recall from CFATS training that white smoke is often a result of homegrown chemical concoctions.
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2013, 04:17:24 PM
QuoteTwo people are dead and at least 49 injured after after two powerful explosions went off near the Boston Marathon finish line, and authorities have now confirmed that they have a suspect who is currently being guarded in a Boston hospital with shrapnel wounds.
The New York Post reports the suspect is a Saudi national
:ph34r:
Quick bomb Sudan.
Looks like JFK fire might have been unrelated, according to all the shit I'm seeing on my twitter feed. Admittedly, not a high standard.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 15, 2013, 04:30:43 PM
Looks like JFK fire might have been unrelated, according to all the shit I'm seeing on my twitter feed. Admittedly, not a high standard.
Yeah, now they're saying it was a fire started in a physical plant room so far.
At first, it plays out like a bad Tom Clancy novel...North Korea instigates a domestic incident in the US to cover their attack into South Korea.
I wonder if it might have to do with what is happening in Mali and/or other African countries. A lot of African runners take part in the race. Maybe some AQ or AQ-associated wackos trying to make a statement.
That seems really unlikely.
Quote from: Strix on April 15, 2013, 04:42:17 PM
At first, it plays out like a bad Tom Clancy novel..
The good ones all have KGB.
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2013, 04:17:24 PM
QuoteTwo people are dead and at least 49 injured after after two powerful explosions went off near the Boston Marathon finish line, and authorities have now confirmed that they have a suspect who is currently being guarded in a Boston hospital with shrapnel wounds.
The New York Post reports the suspect is a Saudi national
:ph34r:
Was he headless?
The "guy in custody" report is being disputed.
Have difficulty imagining this as a NK plot. While NK does have a history of terrorism, it's pretty old, and they know that the US (unlike SK) will respond pretty seriously to acts of domestic terrorism.
Islamic terrorism? Could be, of course.
Domestic / right wing terrorism. Certainly not impossible. But usually they strike at some kind of perceived government structure. An IRS office or a federal building.
The NY Post is the paper posting most of the craziest stuff, so take anything from them with a grain of salt. I'd follow the Boston Globe which is mostly just repeating whatever BPD is releasing.
Quote from: Barrister on April 15, 2013, 04:46:42 PM
Domestic / right wing terrorism. Certainly not impossible. But usually they strike at some kind of perceived government structure. An IRS office or a federal building.
Boston on Patriot's Day?
Quote from: Queequeg on April 15, 2013, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 15, 2013, 04:46:42 PM
Domestic / right wing terrorism. Certainly not impossible. But usually they strike at some kind of perceived government structure. An IRS office or a federal building.
Boston on Patriot's Day?
If it were a Tea Party bomb maybe.
Any significance to it being a marathon and/or in Boston, or just that it was a large gathering of people ?
What about the time of the explosion, 4 hours 10 minutes after the start and more than 1 1/2 hours after the high profile winners; bombs on timers, possibly faulty or were the bombs left a few minutes/moments before igniting, if so perhaps to take advantage of security possibly being ramped down ?
https://twitter.com/Eric_Twardzik/status/323910549895262210/photo/1
Just woke up and saw this. Terrible :(
:(
4 hours is average finish time and that is when there is most potential people at finish area.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 15, 2013, 04:48:26 PM
The NY Post is the paper posting most of the craziest stuff, so take anything from them with a grain of salt. I'd follow the Boston Globe which is mostly just repeating whatever BPD is releasing.
There's always tons of false info that gets reported when these things happen. I'm not buying anything unconfirmed.
Quote from: Barrister on April 15, 2013, 04:46:42 PM
Have difficulty imagining this as a NK plot. While NK does have a history of terrorism, it's pretty old, and they know that the US (unlike SK) will respond pretty seriously to acts of domestic terrorism.
Islamic terrorism? Could be, of course.
Domestic / right wing terrorism. Certainly not impossible. But usually they strike at some kind of perceived government structure. An IRS office or a federal building.
With all the flags down there it looks like Olympic bombing in Atlanta.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2013, 05:02:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 15, 2013, 04:46:42 PM
Have difficulty imagining this as a NK plot. While NK does have a history of terrorism, it's pretty old, and they know that the US (unlike SK) will respond pretty seriously to acts of domestic terrorism.
Islamic terrorism? Could be, of course.
Domestic / right wing terrorism. Certainly not impossible. But usually they strike at some kind of perceived government structure. An IRS office or a federal building.
With all the flags down there it looks like Olympic bombing in Atlanta.
Yes, wasn't that a pipe bomb or two ?
The first explosion there looks quite substantial, bigger than a small package, perhaps the size of a rucksack bomb or suicide-bomber ? :unsure:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2013, 05:01:55 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 15, 2013, 04:48:26 PM
The NY Post is the paper posting most of the craziest stuff, so take anything from them with a grain of salt. I'd follow the Boston Globe which is mostly just repeating whatever BPD is releasing.
There's always tons of false info that gets reported when these things happen. I'm not buying anything unconfirmed.
Yeah weren't the first reports of the Oklahoma bomber, about two or three arabs ?
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/
There's a gross one in there.
Our President has spoken. :wub:
Bloomberg News rocks.
Trish Regan is the Irish in my coffee. :wub:
Anyone else massively impressed with response? 2 dead? Out of 100 injured?
Probably the IRA.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 15, 2013, 05:28:05 PM
Anyone else massively impressed with response? 2 dead? Out of 100 injured?
It was fortunate that the explosions were near the finish line where the massive paramedic tent is, and Mass Gen isn't that far away at all.
Boston Globe is saying a BPD official has informed them one of the deceased is an 8 year old.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2013, 05:17:32 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/
There's a gross one in there.
Where?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2013, 05:18:10 PM
Our President has spoken. :wub:
What's the Black Messiah™ going to do.
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2013, 03:48:42 PM
QuoteLots of unconfirmed statements in this NYPost article from unnamed sources, like: 1) first explosion occured in the lobby of the Fairmont Hotel 2) Authorities ID a suspect in marathon bombings - he is being guarded in Boston hospital. Note: This is all unconfirmed.
I've stayed at Fairmont Copley a bunch. It is a block south from the blast site as shown in the picture. So that doesn't say much for the likely accuracy of this source.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 15, 2013, 05:36:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2013, 05:17:32 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/
There's a gross one in there.
Where?
The one that required you to click through the disclaimer. I had seen it other places with the bottom cropped.
So my mother just further debriefed me - lucky that she wasn't there but a little freaked out as she'd been right around there on Boylston just about an hour earlier. She then told me she was getting off the phone to have a stiff drink. :D
Quote from: garbon on April 15, 2013, 05:49:31 PM
So my mother just further debriefed me - lucky that she wasn't there but a little freaked out as she'd been right around there on Boylston just about an hour earlier. She then told me she was getting off the phone to have a stiff drink. :D
Hell, I suppose so.
Quote from: derspiess on April 15, 2013, 05:49:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 15, 2013, 05:36:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2013, 05:17:32 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/
There's a gross one in there.
Where?
The one that required you to click through the disclaimer. I had seen it other places with the bottom cropped.
What was it?
Quote from: Queequeg on April 15, 2013, 05:55:37 PM
What was it?
Above the knee amputation, the hard way.
Jesus.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2013, 05:02:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 15, 2013, 04:46:42 PM
Have difficulty imagining this as a NK plot. While NK does have a history of terrorism, it's pretty old, and they know that the US (unlike SK) will respond pretty seriously to acts of domestic terrorism.
Islamic terrorism? Could be, of course.
Domestic / right wing terrorism. Certainly not impossible. But usually they strike at some kind of perceived government structure. An IRS office or a federal building.
With all the flags down there it looks like Olympic bombing in Atlanta.
Well, then obviously, the culprit is Richard Jewell.
Quote from: dps on April 15, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2013, 05:02:37 PM
With all the flags down there it looks like Olympic bombing in Atlanta.
Well, then obviously, the culprit is Richard Jewell.
Lucky for the investigation then, what with the Federal Bureau of Intimidation still holding on to his mother's Tupperware.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 15, 2013, 03:18:02 PM
It occurs to me that this was done at a place where the explosions would be highly likely to be caught on video.
Yep. Suspect they had an eye on the media.
Awful news :(
Quote from: dps on April 15, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
Well, then obviously, the culprit is Richard Jewell.
ummm, it's kind of impossible that it could be him. :sleep:
So we were driving home from picking up dinner and Princesca was channel surfing on the radio and came to some conservative talk show or another discussing the bombings. I said "Wait, leave it here, this oughta be good" and right then they started taking calls.
The first caller: "Obama said we should wait until all the facts are in and not rush to judgment. How long does he expect us to wait though? WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN BENGHAZI!!!!!!!1111111111" :bleeding: :bash:
So Derspeiss was calling in?
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2013, 06:39:52 PM
So we were driving home from picking up dinner and Princesca was channel surfing on the radio and came to some conservative talk show or another discussing the bombings. I said "Wait, leave it here, this oughta be good" and right then they started taking calls.
The first caller: "Obama said we should wait until all the facts are in and not rush to judgment. How long does he expect us to wait though? WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN BENGHAZI!!!!!!!1111111111" :bleeding: :bash:
Different situation. DoJ and friends will find the fuckers.
BENGHAZI= Obama/Clinton ineptness and cover up
CNN reporting person of interest in custody.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 15, 2013, 06:50:07 PM
CNN reporting person of interest in custody.
Too bad. This was their opportunity take them out with a drone.
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2013, 06:37:16 PM
Quote from: dps on April 15, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
Well, then obviously, the culprit is Richard Jewell.
ummm, it's kind of impossible that it could be him. :sleep:
Vengeance from the grave; kills the people he once saved.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 15, 2013, 06:55:22 PM
Too bad. This was their opportunity take them out with a drone.
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He's cool so long as they ain't white.
Good call on the pic C
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2013, 06:39:52 PM
So we were driving home from picking up dinner and Princesca was channel surfing on the radio and came to some conservative talk show or another discussing the bombings. I said "Wait, leave it here, this oughta be good" and right then they started taking calls.
The first caller: "Obama said we should wait until all the facts are in and not rush to judgment. How long does he expect us to wait though? WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN BENGHAZI!!!!!!!1111111111" :bleeding: :bash:
:lol: Nice.
The shoe fits.
Keep hearing rumors of "black or dark skinned man with backpack" wanted for questioning. Still rumors of Saudis. Looks like Jihadists.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2013, 07:33:26 PM
The shoe fits.
Between you and spiess, I think you're the one far more likely to call into talk radio with a crazy rant. :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2013, 07:37:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2013, 07:33:26 PM
The shoe fits.
Between you and spiess, I think you're the one far more likely to call into talk radio with a crazy rant. :)
I don't even have a phone.
I stand corrected. :sleep:
Five additional unexploded bombs found O_O
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323346304578424950102614148.html
Quote from: Queequeg on April 15, 2013, 07:35:12 PM
Keep hearing rumors of "black or dark skinned man with backpack" wanted for questioning. Still rumors of Saudis. Looks like Jihadists.
When I skimmed over this I read this as a man with a jetpack :D
Here you go, Tim.
http://youtu.be/nvuirYJsVQo (http://youtu.be/nvuirYJsVQo)
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2013, 07:40:10 PM
I stand corrected. :sleep:
Not an uncommon occurrence :)
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2013, 07:33:26 PM
The shoe fits.
Keep going and we'll see where my boot fits.
stop trolling each other for tonight, guys. Let's stay cool and discuss the event, please.
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2013, 07:57:53 PM
Here you go, Tim.
http://youtu.be/nvuirYJsVQo (http://youtu.be/nvuirYJsVQo)
I loved that game.
Lol, derboot.
From comedian Patton Oswalt's Facebook page
(https://www.facebook.com/pattonoswalt/posts/10151440800582655)
QuoteBoston. Fucking horrible.
I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, "Well, I've had it with humanity."
But I was wrong. I don't know what's going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem. One human insect or a poisonous mass of broken sociopaths.
But here's what I DO know. If it's one person or a HUNDRED people, that number is not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population on this planet. You watch the videos of the carnage and there are people running TOWARDS the destruction to help out. (Thanks FAKE Gallery founder and owner Paul Kozlowski for pointing this out to me). This is a giant planet and we're lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in awhile, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they're pointed towards darkness.
But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We'd have eaten ourselves alive long ago.
So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, "The good outnumber you, and we always will."
Looks like 3 dead now.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2013, 08:22:51 PM
Looks like 3 dead now.
They were interviewing a doctor who was saying that the concussive force meant there was enough internal brain trauma going around for that number to rise within the next couple days.
Yeah, and they've confirmed that shrapnel was definitely involved in the devices.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
Yeah, and they've confirmed that shrapnel was definitely involved in the devices.
Yeah, ball bearings. I've been surprised at the low fatalities given that.
Quote from: viper37 on April 15, 2013, 08:09:33 PM
stop trolling each other for tonight, guys. Let's stay cool and discuss the event, please.
Um, this is Languish, which moto seems to be, play the man not the ball. <_<
One of my neighbors, his wife and kids usually go to watch the Marathon every year. They skipped it this year, though they would have been far away from the attack area anyway. Another neighbor is a cop, on a SWAT team, and he'll be in there all night he said.
Over a hundred injured, including some young kids seriously hurt.
Just got a company email that says they've shut down cell phones in the Boston area.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 15, 2013, 09:00:06 PM
Just got a company email that says they've shut down cell phones in the Boston area.
Yeah, they did shut them down, but people could still text. One of my neighbors was texting with relatives in Boston.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2013, 02:33:44 PM
Can't tell if the bombs were in a building, or behind or under the main grandstand; the first one looks like it was actually in a building. They were definitely on Boylston Street though, between Dartmouth and Exeter.
Casualties talk is bad. Limbs are missing. The first video, there were definitely people within the blast area.
We need Count and Captain Mihali to check in.
Thanks Seedy, I'm fine, as is everyone I know. Only thing I was directly worried about was a doc of mine's office is in the Copley area, and I was worried him or his staff might have been out on lunch checking out the Marathon (esp. since it's Patriot's Day here in Mass.), but they were fine.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 15, 2013, 09:00:06 PM
Just got a company email that says they've shut down cell phones in the Boston area.
Hmm, I've got service in Somerville...made a call to Jamaica Plain (in the city of Boston) an hour ago and it was fine.
Haven't quite caught up with the thread, but any news on who the people killed were?
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 15, 2013, 09:49:05 PM
Haven't quite caught up with the thread, but any news on who the people killed were?
The only one I've heard about is the 8 year old :(
Apparently there's a hell of a lot more people shorter than they were this morning.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 15, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 15, 2013, 09:49:05 PM
Haven't quite caught up with the thread, but any news on who the people killed were?
The only one I've heard about is the 8 year old :(
Yeah, just caught up with the thread and OvB's report of the child. :(
Earlier this evening there were reports of something going on in the Harvard Square T station...dunno know if it was just an abandoned Market Basket bag or something more serious.
Boston Police are asking people to avoid coming into the city, according to the TV on at the liquor store a minute ago.
Speaking of which, I get a feel of palpable tension (beyond the general gloominess) from all the South Asian and Middle Eastern small store owners I run into on my daily route for coffee, cigarettes, seltzer, gum, beer, etc.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 15, 2013, 10:00:38 PM
Earlier this evening there were reports of something going on in the Harvard Square T station...dunno know if it was just an abandoned Market Basket bag or something more serious.
That's going to happen for a few days; every fast food bag and homeless dude's grocery cart is going to be a suspicious package.
QuoteSpeaking of which, I get a feel of palpable tension (beyond the general gloominess) from all the South Asian and Middle Eastern small store owners I run into on my daily route for coffee, cigarettes, seltzer, gum, beer, etc.
Now you're just being paranoid.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2013, 10:02:36 PM
QuoteSpeaking of which, I get a feel of palpable tension (beyond the general gloominess) from all the South Asian and Middle Eastern small store owners I run into on my daily route for coffee, cigarettes, seltzer, gum, beer, etc.
Now you're just being paranoid.
Nah. I'm a regular at these places and we chat. Just talking with them, I get the feeling no one is hoping that this was a McVeigh-enthusiast more than they are.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2013, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 15, 2013, 10:00:38 PM
Earlier this evening there were reports of something going on in the Harvard Square T station...dunno know if it was just an abandoned Market Basket bag or something more serious.
That's going to happen for a few days; every fast food bag and homeless dude's grocery cart is going to be a suspicious package.
QuoteSpeaking of which, I get a feel of palpable tension (beyond the general gloominess) from all the South Asian and Middle Eastern small store owners I run into on my daily route for coffee, cigarettes, seltzer, gum, beer, etc.
Now you're just being paranoid.
I think he's describing it the other way around, the shop owners are worried about a possible atmosphere/fear, that they may see some inappropriate backlash against them ?
I'm sure the kids at EU-OT are convinced that a "USA patriot group" did this, like they were on 9/11.
Quote from: mongers on April 15, 2013, 10:06:54 PM
I think he's describing it the other way around, the shop owners are worried about a possible atmosphere/fear, that they may see some inappropriate backlash against them ?
I shan't worry about blacklash. Bostonians only freak out when black children are bussed into white school districts.
Quote from: derspiess on April 15, 2013, 10:07:37 PM
I'm sure the kids at EU-OT are convinced that a "USA patriot group" did this, like they were on 9/11.
lots of people from the media have speculated on this already.
I'm surprised no one claimed responsibility for the attack yet.
Quote from: derspiess on April 15, 2013, 10:07:37 PM
I'm sure the kids at EU-OT are convinced that a "USA patriot group" did this, like they were on 9/11.
Seems your breitbart boys are upset that Obama hasn't blamed Islamic terrorism.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/15/Obama-speech-Boston-attack
Showdown happening in Reeve, Mass. right now.
Any news of the type of bomb used ?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2013, 10:24:52 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 15, 2013, 10:07:37 PM
I'm sure the kids at EU-OT are convinced that a "USA patriot group" did this, like they were on 9/11.
Seems your breitbart boys are upset that Obama hasn't blamed Islamic terrorism.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/15/Obama-speech-Boston-attack
:yawn:
Okay, Stalkie.
https://twitter.com/buzzfeedandrew/status/324000790182232064
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/boston_cops_feds_descend_on_revere_buildings
Some people are saying the 8-year-old girl who died was running for the Sandy Hook kids. Fuck. :(
I wonder if the guy who may have faked all of those marathon wins is a suspect ?
Quote from: derspiess on April 15, 2013, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2013, 10:24:52 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 15, 2013, 10:07:37 PM
I'm sure the kids at EU-OT are convinced that a "USA patriot group" did this, like they were on 9/11.
Seems your breitbart boys are upset that Obama hasn't blamed Islamic terrorism.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/15/Obama-speech-Boston-attack
:yawn:
Okay, Stalkie.
I just wanna know how conservatives think. Perhaps I'll even become one, and how else would I become a conservative if sample the bullshit you guys swallow whole?
Quote from: merithyn on April 15, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
Some people are saying the 8-year-old girl who died was running for the Sandy Hook kids. Fuck. :(
There were a lot of people there to support Sandy Hook. Apparently one of the survivor children from Sandy Hook was near the blast area.
That kid's never going to win the PowerBall, I'll tell you that.
Why did one of the hospitals, send out one of the trauma surgeon to try to answer a feeding frenzy of journalists ?
Seems an odd priority and a bit cruel/unkind for the doctor involved.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 15, 2013, 09:43:54 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2013, 02:33:44 PM
Can't tell if the bombs were in a building, or behind or under the main grandstand; the first one looks like it was actually in a building. They were definitely on Boylston Street though, between Dartmouth and Exeter.
Casualties talk is bad. Limbs are missing. The first video, there were definitely people within the blast area.
We need Count and Captain Mihali to check in.
Thanks Seedy, I'm fine, as is everyone I know. Only thing I was directly worried about was a doc of mine's office is in the Copley area, and I was worried him or his staff might have been out on lunch checking out the Marathon (esp. since it's Patriot's Day here in Mass.), but they were fine.
Glad to here that's you're OK.
Quote from: merithyn on April 15, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
Some people are saying the 8-year-old girl who died was running for the Sandy Hook kids. Fuck. :(
Any 8 year old running a marathon? :huh:
That sounds dangerous in and of itself.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 15, 2013, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 15, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
Some people are saying the 8-year-old girl who died was running for the Sandy Hook kids. Fuck. :(
Any 8 year old running a marathon? :huh:
That sounds dangerous in and of itself.
Probably not running the whole thing, Tim.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 15, 2013, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 15, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
Some people are saying the 8-year-old girl who died was running for the Sandy Hook kids. Fuck. :(
Any 8 year old running a marathon? :huh:
That sounds dangerous in and of itself.
Stuff I'm seeing says that the dead 8 year old is a boy, not a girl. Sucks either way. And apparantly a lot of the injured are kids.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 15, 2013, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 15, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
Some people are saying the 8-year-old girl who died was running for the Sandy Hook kids. Fuck. :(
Any 8 year old running a marathon? :huh:
That sounds dangerous in and of itself.
I think you'd be surprised, but that's a topic for another thread.
I saw the first blast and there weren't any kids in the area. They had to be at the second blast site.
The last mile of the race was dedicated to the Sandy Hook victims. There were grandstands near the first blast that were filled with the families of victims of the school shooting.
Quote from: sbr on April 15, 2013, 11:04:21 PM
The last mile of the race was dedicated to the Sandy Hook victims. There were grandstands near the first blast that were filled with the families of victims of the school shooting.
Timmay wouldn't know that. He only posts the news, he doesn't read it.
Quote from: sbr on April 15, 2013, 11:04:21 PM
The last mile of the race was dedicated to the Sandy Hook victims. There were grandstands near the first blast that were filled with the families of victims of the school shooting.
I never saw any grandstands near the first blast site. Just the blocks to keep people from going into the street. Unless the grandstands were demolished completely in the blast? :unsure:
Quote from: merithyn on April 15, 2013, 11:07:39 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 15, 2013, 11:04:21 PM
The last mile of the race was dedicated to the Sandy Hook victims. There were grandstands near the first blast that were filled with the families of victims of the school shooting.
I never saw any grandstands near the first blast site. Just the blocks to keep people from going into the street. Unless the grandstands were demolished completely in the blast? :unsure:
I heard it on the radio from a couple different sources so no link. I have no idea how near "near" really is.
Other side of street Meri ;)
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/national-international/NATL-CT-COPY-Boston-Marathon-Honored-Sandy-Hook-Victims-203108301.html
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2013, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 15, 2013, 10:06:54 PM
I think he's describing it the other way around, the shop owners are worried about a possible atmosphere/fear, that they may see some inappropriate backlash against them ?
I shan't worry about blacklash. Bostonians only freak out when black children are bussed into white school districts.]
Sez Mr. Eastern Shore. :P
Quote from: katmai on April 15, 2013, 11:09:14 PM
Other side of street Meri ;)
Ah. Those weren't really shown in the footage that I saw.
Multiple sources saying the 8 year old was a boy and a spectator.
Hey, Mihali.
I am glad you're okay. :hug:
Well this sucks, you just know its going to make travel awkward
Holy Shit! :o
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2013/apr/16/boston-marathon-explosions-hunt-begins-for-perperators-live-updates
QuoteAt least 25 to 30 people have at least one leg missing, or an ankle missing, or two legs missing.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 15, 2013, 11:16:17 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2013, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 15, 2013, 10:06:54 PM
I think he's describing it the other way around, the shop owners are worried about a possible atmosphere/fear, that they may see some inappropriate backlash against them ?
I shan't worry about blacklash. Bostonians only freak out when black children are bussed into white school districts.]
Sez Mr. Eastern Shore. :P
Don't you have somebody to hit with a flagpole in the chest or something?
And to think we were worried about you. :mad:
http://www.examiner.com/article/westboro-baptist-church-to-picket-explosion-victims-funerals-petition-started?fb_action_ids=10151854274343356&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582 (http://www.examiner.com/article/westboro-baptist-church-to-picket-explosion-victims-funerals-petition-started?fb_action_ids=10151854274343356&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582)
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Westboro Baptist Church is striking out again claiming that Americans are to blame for the fate of the Boston Marathon (http://www.examiner.com/topic/boston-marathon) explosions. According to rants on Twitter (https://twitter.com/search?q=wbc&src=typd) Monday, April 15 the Westboro Baptist Church claims the bombings are in reaction to the gay community and abortion rights that happen in the United States.
Rage has ensued on Twitter as fellow Westboro member Margie Phelps (http://www.examiner.com/topic/margie-phelps/articles) launches a heavily targeted Twitter campaign with plans to picket the funerals of those killed during the Boston Marathon explosion (http://www.examiner.com/topic/explosion). The explosion which left two dead and several dozen injured has caused Margie Phelps and the WBC to claim that President Obama has once again enraged God.
@MargieJPhelps: Too late! You've enraged God w #SSM Mr. President. #stopit
MT @CapehartJ: POTUS:American people will say prayer for people of Boston tonight
Unfortunately, it will not end with Tweets on Twitter. Using Twitter to further get their message out, the WBC once again claims they will stand with signs and picket any funeral held for those killed in the explosion.
@WBCFliers: BREAKING: Westboro Baptist Church to picket funerals of those dead by Boston Bombs! GOD SENT THE BOMBS IN FURY OVER FAG MARRIAGE! #PraiseGod
People are firing back against WBC and their claims to picket. It is evident that they are tired of the group claiming to be a religious group when in reality they promote hate. A petition has been launched to prevent them from picketing at any funerals held in Boston.
@GouldReys: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ban-westboro-baptist-church-en... (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ban-westboro-baptist-church-entering-boston-and-picketing-funerals-those-who-died-during-bombing/KbLlysdG) ... Please retweet my petition to stop the WBC from picketing funerals in Boston please
Some things don't change.
I cannot even summon up an ounce of rage at WBC anymore. They want me to be enraged. Fuck 'em, they should just be ignored.
I can't recall if I've mentioned this on Languish before but at this point I'm starting to doubt WBC is 'real' and wonder if they're not deep-cover liberals trying to make foes of gay marriage look even more ridiculous than they make themselves look already. :)
QuotePresident Obama has once again enraged God.
Shit, we don't need that from Westboro; that was already covered at CPAC.
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 07:00:49 AM
I can't recall if I've mentioned this on Languish before but at this point I'm starting to doubt WBC is 'real' and wonder if they're not deep-cover liberals trying to make foes of gay marriage look even more ridiculous than they make themselves look already. :)
That's entirely off the chart. The patriarch was a Democrat, and a Gore supporter. But it would appear they are simply a clan of inbred lunatics.
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 07:00:49 AM
I can't recall if I've mentioned this on Languish before but at this point I'm starting to doubt WBC is 'real' and wonder if they're not deep-cover liberals trying to make foes of gay marriage look even more ridiculous than they make themselves look already. :)
After twenty or so years? They were doing this long before gay marriage was even a thing.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 16, 2013, 05:52:31 AM
Holy Shit! :o
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2013/apr/16/boston-marathon-explosions-hunt-begins-for-perperators-live-updates
QuoteAt least 25 to 30 people have at least one leg missing, or an ankle missing, or two legs missing.
Look on the bright side: now they'll be able to score all the best parking spots.
Gotta see the silver linings, man.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:25:19 AM
Look on the bright side: now they'll be able to score all the best parking spots.
Gotta see the silver linings, man.
But Boston's gonna have to spend money on more blue paint.
More blue paint in front of stores is THE PRICE OF FREEDOM. AND SAVINGS.
Quote from: merithyn on April 15, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
Some people are saying the 8-year-old girl who died was running for the Sandy Hook kids. Fuck. :(
Ah, then it's a new suspect. Rather than the IRA, I'm changing my suspect to the NRA. They won't be satisfied while a single grade-schooler remains unkilled, and it's also a protest about the constitutional right to bear pipebombs.
It is a gubbermint false flag operation led by Dear Leader Obama to put TSA agents at every street corner and Little League game.
Quote(NaturalNews) It's now becoming clear that members of the Boston bomb squad had advanced notice of the horrific bombing that took place at the marathon today. As an eyewitness reports, once the bombs went off, officials began announcing, "this is just a drill!" This logically means they were all informed of the "bomb drill" beforehand. Otherwise, why would they respond with, "this is just a drill" ?
According to Local15TV.com (http://www.local15tv.com/news/local/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Were-at-Start-Finish/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx), a University of Mobile's Cross Country Coach said there were bomb-sniffing dogs at both the start and finish lines, long before any explosions went off. He said:
"They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about. It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill."
The official story of the bombing is that terrorists detonated two bombs at the marathon finish line and that the Boston bomb squad magically located a third bomb one mile away, identified the bomb, rigged it with explosives and initiated a "controlled explosion" all in less than an hour! (Absurd.)
The official story sounds like nothing more than a cover story.
Here are some of the facts we know so far1) Bomb-sniffing dogs were present at the start of the race and the finish line, even before bombs went off.
2) The reported arrest of a "Saudi national" has now been retracted. Apparently that was a mistake published by the NY Post.
3) Instead, the mainstream media is pushing a new narrative that blames "right-wing extremists" for the bombing, even without a shred of evidence to back that up.
4) It is impossible for a bomb (http://www.naturalnews.com/bomb.html) squad to have located, analyzed, rigged and detonated the third bomb in under an hour, especially when it was located one mile away, at the Kennedy Presidential Library.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/039928_Boston_marathon_bombings_official_story.html#ixzz2Qd7ln8d6 (http://www.naturalnews.com/039928_Boston_marathon_bombings_official_story.html#ixzz2Qd7ln8d6)[/l]
As always with articles like this the best part are the comments.
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Marc Authier (https://www.facebook.com/marc.authier.3) · Top CommenterAll these planted bombs. Near the finish line? Come on! I would say the people in charge of the ''security'' are probably those that planted the bombs. This story stinks high hell indeed. Anyways thes Saudi animals are your friends. Uncle Satan Sam hires them in Syria to rape women and cut heads and mass murder Christians in Syria. You shoulb be proud of your Saudi animals no? In Syria your hypocritical US terrorist government calls them ''freedom fighters''. Nobody in USA seems to be particularly touched when this type of stuff about each day in Syria and Christians are murdered. Welcome to Boston Syria. Again USA is the most important country sponsoring these terrorists. They are your monsters.
:cry:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/15/perfect-day-turns-evil/W7KQHq1NWFqukte3VQ14DJ/story.html
QuoteA perfect Marathon day, then the unimaginable
By Kevin Cullen
| Globe Columnist
April 16, 2013
It was as good a Patriots Day, as good a Marathon day, as any, dry and seasonably warm but not hot like last year. The buzz was great. While the runners climbed Heartbreak Hill, the Red Sox were locked in another white-knuckle duel with the Tampa Bay Rays at Fenway Park. The only thing missing was Lou Reed crooning "Perfect Day" in the background.
The winners and the elite runners had long ago finished, when in the Fens, at shortly after 2 p.m., Mike Napoli kissed a ball off The Green Monster in the bottom of the ninth, allowing Dustin Pedroia to scamper all the way home from first base, giving the Red Sox a walk-off win.
Many of those jubilant Sox fans had walked down through Kenmore Square toward the Back Bay to watch the Marathon. Some of them had just got to the finish line when the first bomb went off, shortly before 3 p.m.
In an instant, a perfect day had morphed into something viscerally evil.
The location and timing of the bombs was sinister beyond belief, done purposely to maximize death and destruction. Among those who watched in horror as a fireball belched out across the sidewalk on Boylston were the parents of the schoolkids murdered in Newtown, Conn. The Atlantic reported they were sitting in a VIP section at the finish line, across the street from the explosion.
This is how bad this is. I went out Monday night and bumped into some firefighters I know. They said one of the dead was an 8-year-old boy from Dorchester who had gone out to hug his dad after he crossed the finish line. The dad walked on; the boy went back to the sidewalk to join his mom and his little sister. And then the bomb went off. The boy was killed. His sister's leg was blown off. His mother was badly injured. That's just one family, one story.
It would be wrong and a cliche to say we lost our innocence on Monday afternoon as a plume of white smoke drifted high above Boylston Street, as blood pooled on the sidewalk across from the Boston Public Library, as severed limbs lay amid the bruised and the bloodied and the stunned, their ears ringing, their ears bleeding.
We lost our innocence on another perfect day, in September, 12 years ago. But we lost something Monday, too, and that is the idea that we will ever feel totally safe in this city again.
The Marathon is the city's signature event, a tangible link with the rest of the world. It is one of the few things that allows us to cling to that pretense of Boston being the Hub of the universe. Patriots Day is a celebration of our revolutionary history, but we share it with the world. It is the one day of the year when the city is its most diverse, with people from so many other countries here to run those 26 miles from Hopkinton to the Back Bay.
And so it was alternately poignant and horrifying to watch as first responders frantically pulled metal barriers and the flags of so many different countries down into Boylston Street in a desperate rush to get to the dead and the injured on the sidewalk.
Those flags looked like victims, splayed on Boylston Street as the acrid smoke hung in the air.
After the initial explosion, runners instinctively craned their necks toward the blast site. Then, 12 seconds later, a second explosion, further up Boylston. It was pandemonium. I saw an older runner wearing high rise pink socks, about to cross the finish line. He was knocked to the ground by a photographer running up Boylston Street toward the second explosion.
In an instant, so many lives changed. Some ended. The telephone lines burned. Everybody was trying to figure out who and why. The cops I talked to were shaking their heads. It could be anybody. Could be foreign. Could be domestic. Could be Al Qaeda. Could be home-grown nuts.
It was Patriots Day. It was tax day. It was Israel's independence day. Theories swirled like the smoke above Boylston Street. Friday marks the 20th anniversary of the FBI assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, and the 18th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.
Then there was the story about the young Saudi guy who was being questioned by the FBI. Now, the FBI wouldn't tell me if my pants were on fire, but my old pal John Miller from CBS News reported that the kid did a runner after the explosion and that somebody tackled him and held him for the police. Miller used to be an associate director at the FBI, and let's just say his sources there are impeccable. Miller says the Saudi guy was cooperative and denied he had anything to do with the bombing. He says he took off because, like everybody else in the Back Bay, he was terrified. A law enforcement source later told me that Miller's story is right on the money.
I saw Lisa Hughes from WBZ-TV trying to do her job, amid the blood and the body parts. And then I remembered that Lisa, who is as nice a person as you'll find in this business, married a guy from Wellesley named Mike Casey who lost his wife Neilie on one of the planes out of Boston that crashed into the Twin Towers. And then I tried not to cry and just marveled at how professional Lisa was.
Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick began his day by visiting ailing Mayor Tom Menino of Boston in the hospital. Hours later, Patrick was on the phone with President Obama, and Menino signed himself out of the hospital. He couldn't be cooped up while his city was being attacked. Like so many people in the Back Bay, the mayor needed a wheelchair to get around.
Dave McGillivray, the Marathon director, had just arrived in Hopkinton, and was about to run the 26-mile route, as he does every year hours after the last runner has departed. A state cop told McGillivray what had happened and McGillivray jumped in a cruiser and raced back to the finish line.
Before 3 p.m., the medical tent at the finish line had seen nothing worse than a blister. Then, in an instant, it was transformed into a battlefield triage unit. Doctors and nurses who had been running the race in turn raced to the medical tent and volunteered their services, still sweating, still wearing their running gear. People in the Back Bay opened their homes to runners who couldn't get back to their hotels.
We will get through this, but we will never be the same.
Even as the smoke drifted away from Boylston, we are still in the fog, still in the dark, our ears still ringing from the bombs.
And we are left with this unnerving proposition: If it was home-grown, it was probably an aberration, the work of a lunatic. If it was foreign inspired or sponsored, we will never feel safe again in our own town.
President Obama asked the rest of the country to pray for Boston. But we need more than prayers. We need answers. We need peace of mind, and we'll never have that again on Patriots Day. Ever. Because somebody came here on our Patriots Day and launched their own revolution.
Well, I'm glad we got this out of the way.
QuoteDr. Syed Wasimul Haque, the president of the United Maryland Muslim Council, condemned the "cowardly terrorist act" at the Boston Marathon Monday that has killed three and wounded more than 100.
"Our prayers go out for the fallen victims and to the city of Boston," Haque, a Frederick physician, said in a statement.
He and others in Maryland's Muslim community have condemned past acts of violence and terror against the United States.
"The Muslims have always stood shoulder to shoulder during perilous times that our nation has faced and will do so in the future as well against all terrorist attacks," Haque said. "These terrorist attacks do nothing but strengthen our resolve to fight back such cowardly act and unite us more as a nation."
The complete statement follows.
"The Muslims of Maryland condemn the terrorist act in Boston which took the lives of two Americans and injured many spectators during the Boston marathon event. The Muslims along with the rest of the nation are deeply saddened and distressed by this cowardly terrorist act which targeted innocent victims of this event which was supposed to forge friendship and brotherhood among participants from different nations and from within our country.
"The Muslims have always stood shoulder to shoulder during perilous times that our nation has faced and will do so in the future as well against all terrorist attacks. These terrorist attacks do nothing but strengthen our resolve to fight back such cowardly act and unite us more as a nation.
"Our prayers go out for the fallen victims and to the city of Boston. May the families of the victims have the forbearance and may the inflicted recover from their injuries quickly.
"We hope and pray that the criminal or criminals who committed this heinous act are caught soon and brought to justice and punished to the greatest extent according to the laws of our country."
Turns out the Saudi guy was just a bystander who got tackled by someone else and then arrested.
Quote from: HVC on April 16, 2013, 08:18:04 AM
Turns out the Saudi guy was just a bystander who got tackled by someone else and then arrested.
I didn't know Mart was in Boston.
:lol:
Latest updates are that there were in fact no additional unexploded devices, and that nobody is in custody.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 08:15:54 AM
Well, I'm glad we got this out of the way.
QuoteDr. Syed Wasimul Haque, the president of the United Maryland Muslim Council, condemned the "cowardly terrorist act" at the Boston Marathon Monday that has killed three and wounded more than 100.
"Our prayers go out for the fallen victims and to the city of Boston," Haque, a Frederick physician, said in a statement.
He and others in Maryland's Muslim community have condemned past acts of violence and terror against the United States.
"The Muslims have always stood shoulder to shoulder during perilous times that our nation has faced and will do so in the future as well against all terrorist attacks," Haque said. "These terrorist attacks do nothing but strengthen our resolve to fight back such cowardly act and unite us more as a nation."
The complete statement follows.
"The Muslims of Maryland condemn the terrorist act in Boston which took the lives of two Americans and injured many spectators during the Boston marathon event. The Muslims along with the rest of the nation are deeply saddened and distressed by this cowardly terrorist act which targeted innocent victims of this event which was supposed to forge friendship and brotherhood among participants from different nations and from within our country.
"The Muslims have always stood shoulder to shoulder during perilous times that our nation has faced and will do so in the future as well against all terrorist attacks. These terrorist attacks do nothing but strengthen our resolve to fight back such cowardly act and unite us more as a nation.
"Our prayers go out for the fallen victims and to the city of Boston. May the families of the victims have the forbearance and may the inflicted recover from their injuries quickly.
"We hope and pray that the criminal or criminals who committed this heinous act are caught soon and brought to justice and punished to the greatest extent according to the laws of our country."
Nice to see them starting to figure out that the correct response does include a "...but," anywhere in it.
I am so glad the 24 hour news media keeps us so well-informed.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 16, 2013, 10:39:55 AM
I am so glad the 24 hour news media keeps us so well-informed.
Yeah, but on the other hand we do get the bad information out of the way faster.
Quote from: Berkut on April 16, 2013, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 08:15:54 AM
Well, I'm glad we got this out of the way.
QuoteDr. Syed Wasimul Haque, the president of the United Maryland Muslim Council, condemned the "cowardly terrorist act" at the Boston Marathon Monday that has killed three and wounded more than 100.
"Our prayers go out for the fallen victims and to the city of Boston," Haque, a Frederick physician, said in a statement.
He and others in Maryland's Muslim community have condemned past acts of violence and terror against the United States.
"The Muslims have always stood shoulder to shoulder during perilous times that our nation has faced and will do so in the future as well against all terrorist attacks," Haque said. "These terrorist attacks do nothing but strengthen our resolve to fight back such cowardly act and unite us more as a nation."
The complete statement follows.
"The Muslims of Maryland condemn the terrorist act in Boston which took the lives of two Americans and injured many spectators during the Boston marathon event. The Muslims along with the rest of the nation are deeply saddened and distressed by this cowardly terrorist act which targeted innocent victims of this event which was supposed to forge friendship and brotherhood among participants from different nations and from within our country.
"The Muslims have always stood shoulder to shoulder during perilous times that our nation has faced and will do so in the future as well against all terrorist attacks. These terrorist attacks do nothing but strengthen our resolve to fight back such cowardly act and unite us more as a nation.
"Our prayers go out for the fallen victims and to the city of Boston. May the families of the victims have the forbearance and may the inflicted recover from their injuries quickly.
"We hope and pray that the criminal or criminals who committed this heinous act are caught soon and brought to justice and punished to the greatest extent according to the laws of our country."
Nice to see them starting to figure out that the correct response does include a "...but," anywhere in it.
I assume you meant "does
not include a "...but," ..." ;)
There's rumors on the internets that the bombs were made out of 5 liter pressure cookers and left in duffle bags on the ground. Apparently, Al-Q has used pressure cooker bombs before. :ph34r:
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 12:17:49 PM
There's rumors on the internets that the bombs were made out of 5 liter pressure cookers and left in duffle bags on the ground. Apparently, Al-Q has used pressure cooker bombs before. :ph34r:
That's what the Fort Hood bomber intended to use.
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 12:17:49 PM
Apparently, Al-Q has used pressure cooker bombs before. :ph34r:
That method has been advertised on teh Islamowebs for years now.
Considering nobody under the age of 50 actually cooks with pressure cookers anymore, you'd think they'd be easier to trace to points of sale.
I cook with a pressure cooker. :ph34r:
You also eat hot dogs at gas stations that have been on the hot rollers for 18 hours.
I've never eaten a hot dog at a gas station. :)
LIES
The last time I ate at a gas station I had beef-a-roni, green beans, mashed taters with gravy, and a biscuit.
The guy in the cowboy hat helping the guy who lost his legs in the blast (the photo was probably the most graphic of those I've seen regarding the bombing) already had a Wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Arredondo).
He lost his son in Iraq in 2004, and then his second son committed suicide in 2011. He's now a peace activist.
Quote from: merithyn on April 16, 2013, 01:58:56 PM
The guy in the cowboy hat helping the guy who lost his legs in the blast (the photo was probably the most graphic of those I've seen regarding the bombing) already had a Wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Arredondo).
He lost his son in Iraq in 2004, and then his second son committed suicide in 2011. He's now a peace activist.
If one believes in luck, he's clearly someone to avoid knowing - or even standing near. ;)
[CSI]LOL HES THE BOMBER LOL!!!!!!![/CSI]
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 01:30:52 PM
The last time I ate at a gas station I had beef-a-roni, green beans, mashed taters with gravy, and a biscuit.
It's impressive that you can remember what you had for lunch. :P
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 01:08:59 PM
I've never eaten a hot dog at a gas station. :)
At least not before it was thrown out, right?
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Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 01:00:39 PM
I cook with a pressure cooker. :ph34r:
When we were kids, my brothers and I were treated to the joys of cooking using a pressure - cooker.
My mother, who did the cooking, discovered that you could make chicken stew by throwing chicken bits (bones and all) and various vegitables into a pressure-cooker, and cooking the hell out of it.
Then, the left-overs could be stored in the fridge, in the pressure pot. The next day, you could throw *more* chicken bits and vegitables into the same pot, and pressure-cook the hell out of it *again*.
Each person would fish out of the pot the tasty bits of chicken and vegitables, cut off the chicken meat, and throw back in the bones "for flavour". We were not allowed to throw the bones out.
We used to call this the "endless stew" - the pot was never fully emptied until it was as full of bone and gristle as a chicken graveyard, and just as appetizing.
:mmm:
About the only time mom used a pressure cooker was when she was canning green beans. It was a phase she went through for 2 or 3 years. She used to force us to string the beans for her beforehand, promising us that it would be fun because she enjoyed it when she was young :mellow:
Quote from: derspiess on April 16, 2013, 03:33:41 PM
About the only time mom used a pressure cooker was when she was canning green beans. It was a phase she went through for 2 or 3 years. She used to force us to string the beans for her beforehand, promising us that it would be fun because she enjoyed it when she was young :mellow:
That's what they always say.
I love this place though. Bombings have gravitated to AM/PM hot dogs and pressure cookers. :lol:
Quote from: 11B4V on April 16, 2013, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 16, 2013, 03:33:41 PM
About the only time mom used a pressure cooker was when she was canning green beans. It was a phase she went through for 2 or 3 years. She used to force us to string the beans for her beforehand, promising us that it would be fun because she enjoyed it when she was young :mellow:
That's what they always say.
Yeah. Like when she was shopping for an ice cream maker and decided to go with the hand-crank one rather than the electric one because even though the price was the same, it was "so much fun" wearing the hell out of your arm as the ice cream thickened :mellow:
But she grew up on a farm, where things were boring as hell. So I suppose I should cut her some slack.
Quote from: derspiess on April 16, 2013, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 16, 2013, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 16, 2013, 03:33:41 PM
About the only time mom used a pressure cooker was when she was canning green beans. It was a phase she went through for 2 or 3 years. She used to force us to string the beans for her beforehand, promising us that it would be fun because she enjoyed it when she was young :mellow:
That's what they always say.
Yeah. Like when she was shopping for an ice cream maker and decided to go with the hand-crank one rather than the electric one because even though the price was the same, it was "so much fun" wearing the hell out of your arm as the ice cream thickened :mellow:
But she grew up on a farm, where things were boring as hell. So I suppose I should cut her some slack.
She had y'all buffaloed.
Seriously, though, pressure cookers are easy to use AND you can cook stuff ridiculously fast in them. I make a mean hoppin john in my pressure cooker.... once the peas and ham are up to pressure, I cook them 10 minutes and they're done... after only 10 the peas are very soft and the hock is falling off the bone. Shit would take forever with a conventional pot of boiling water.
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 03:46:03 PM
Seriously, though, pressure cookers are easy to use AND you can cook stuff ridiculously fast in them. I make a mean hoppin john in my pressure cooker.... once the peas and ham are up to pressure, I cook them 10 minutes and they're done... after only 10 the peas are very soft and the hock is falling off the bone. Shit would take forever with a conventional pot of boiling water.
I remember once when I was real little my mom and grandmother explaining that sometimes they used a pressure cooker because things got done quicker that way, and I asked why they just didn't start earlier and then they would have never had to buy a pressure cooker.
I liked the hand cranked ice cream machine.
Quote from: dps on April 16, 2013, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 03:46:03 PM
Seriously, though, pressure cookers are easy to use AND you can cook stuff ridiculously fast in them. I make a mean hoppin john in my pressure cooker.... once the peas and ham are up to pressure, I cook them 10 minutes and they're done... after only 10 the peas are very soft and the hock is falling off the bone. Shit would take forever with a conventional pot of boiling water.
I remember once when I was real little my mom and grandmother explaining that sometimes they used a pressure cooker because things got done quicker that way, and I asked why they just didn't start earlier and then they would have never had to buy a pressure cooker.
:hmm: That sounds like the kind of question a grandmother would ask.
Quote from: dps on April 16, 2013, 04:26:37 PM
I remember once when I was real little my mom and grandmother explaining that sometimes they used a pressure cooker because things got done quicker that way, and I asked why they just didn't start earlier and then they would have never had to buy a pressure cooker.
It's a very valid question to ask a housewife, yes. But it's kind of obvious why someone like me might not be able to start dinner 3 hours in advance. :sleep:
On top of that, when stuff cooks under pressure you can turn the heat down to low and it'll still get done. So there are massive energy savings to using one if that's something you are mindful of.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 16, 2013, 03:37:13 PM
I love this place though. Bombings have gravitated to AM/PM hot dogs and pressure cookers. :lol:
We like to take on the
really important issues of the day. ;)
Anyway, I'm sure Caliga's eating habits, as they reflect American ones generally, have killed more Americans than terrorism. :P
My eating habits aren't in reality as bad as you people think. Here's what I had to eat today:
breakfast:
espresso (straight)
a banana
lunch:
fried chicken (one breast :perv: and one leg)
taters
slaw
a biscuit
The End.
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 04:39:28 PM
My eating habits aren't in reality as bad as you people think. Here's what I had to eat today:
breakfast:
espresso (straight)
a banana
lunch:
fried chicken (one breast :perv: and one leg)
taters
slaw
a biscuit
The End.
Only someone who works in HR could lie like that. :hmm:
[/Ducks, runs for cover ;) ]
It seems striking that no-one's claimed responsibility yet.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 05:24:49 PM
It seems striking that no-one's claimed responsibility yet.
Nobody wants a Hellfire enema.
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 04:33:10 PM
Quote from: dps on April 16, 2013, 04:26:37 PM
I remember once when I was real little my mom and grandmother explaining that sometimes they used a pressure cooker because things got done quicker that way, and I asked why they just didn't start earlier and then they would have never had to buy a pressure cooker.
It's a very valid question to ask a housewife, yes. But it's kind of obvious why someone like me might not be able to start dinner 3 hours in advance. :sleep:
On top of that, when stuff cooks under pressure you can turn the heat down to low and it'll still get done. So there are massive energy savings to using one if that's something you are mindful of.
It was the 60s--wasting energy was almost considered a virtue back then.
CBS News tonight had great before-and-after still photos of what looked like the second bomb.
Looking for them online at the moment, but it's sitting right there in the open on the fucking curb next to a mailbox, outside the cordon along the race path.
edit: Here ya go.
http://www1.whdh.com/video/player/?clipId=8780425&clipFormat=flv&topVideoCatNo=#?autoStart#?autoStart
Oh and on pressure cookers they're really popular with Asian families :)
Scare me though.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:22:14 PM
Scare me though.
:huh:
I can assure you I've never found a bomb in mine. :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:22:14 PM
Scare me though.
:huh:
I can assure you I've never found a bomb in mine. :)
Not bombs, just they can explode on their own :ph34r:
@Shelf No they can't, unless they're very poorly maintained. They have emergency pressure release valves, and as long as you keep it clear of debris it'll prevent that. The valve even pops up slightly to tell you it'll work once the cooker is under pressure, and I always look for that to happen.
In fairness I also fear slow cookers.
My mother has a pressure cooker, but I'm not sure when she used it last. I think the fucker's older than I am.
I just remember hearing that thing chugging on the stove like a frigging locomotive, and thinking, "Great...a roast".
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:27:25 PM
In fairness I also fear slow cookers.
How 'bout deep fryers?
I love my rice cooker. :wub:
Quote from: dps on April 16, 2013, 07:28:01 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:27:25 PM
In fairness I also fear slow cookers.
How 'bout deep fryers?
Never used one. They also scare me in a domestic setting. I don't mind deep-frying in a wok though.
I also :wub: my rice cooker.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:27:25 PM
In fairness I also fear slow cookers.
I don't trust anything cooking all day when I'm not home. Even if she's hot.
My sister's like, "Well, if you don't want to leave the slow cooker on all day when you're not home, why don't you use it at night?"
Like I need to smell onion and potato pot roast at 4:15am.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:27:25 PM
In fairness I also fear slow cookers.
That's insane. How else will you get wonderful stew?
Quote from: fahdiz on April 16, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:27:25 PM
In fairness I also fear slow cookers.
That's insane. How else will you get wonderful stew?
Out of a can. DINTY MOORE
Quote from: fahdiz on April 16, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
That's insane. How else will you get wonderful stew?
A pan, some baking paper and an oven :)
Throw in a good book and some music and it's heaven.
YUO PEOPLE = cowards. :glare:
I did beef stroganoff in the slow cooker last week. DELICIOUS.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:34:36 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 16, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
That's insane. How else will you get wonderful stew?
A pan, some baking paper and an oven :)
Throw in a good book and some music and it's heaven.
I suppose with your 18 hour work weeks and 32 weeks' of mandatory
vacation holiday a year over there, you people have the time to do that sort of thing.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 16, 2013, 07:33:25 PM
Out of a can. DINTY MOORE
Dude that shit is like dogfood. :lol:
I like those Campbell's Chunky Soups, sodium and all. And not because NFL players' moms want me to.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
I suppose with your 18 hour work weeks and 32 weeks' of mandatory vacation holiday a year over there, you people have the time to do that sort of thing.
I once made an impulse stew after work and realised why there's no such phrase as 'impulse stew'. Got home around 7-ish and didn't eat till after midnight :lol:
Though it was the best stew I've ever made.
Obviously it's different for me being a single male. I make a stew to feed me for a week.
QuoteYUO PEOPLE = cowards.
My flatmates have a slow cooker. I'm suspicious of it <_<
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:40:20 PM
I like those Campbell's Chunky Soups, sodium and all. And not because NFL players' moms want me to.
I like Victor Cruz's mom. She seems nice.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
Obviously it's different for me being a single male. I make a stew to feed me for a week.
Nothing wrong with that, but we Americans can't tolerate eating the same thing more than twice a week, unless it's a pizza. Benefits of living in the cornucopia that is American waste.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
I once made an impulse stew after work and realised why there's no such phrase as 'impulse stew'. Got home around 7-ish and didn't eat till after midnight :lol:
:D That reminds me of the time (for I am prone at the moment to thinking of such things) of a few days after I met SFG - I was over at her house and her dad brought over some apples. "Let's make applesauce," says she. "Sounds good," says I. At 2:00 AM, when we finally had finished peeling everything, it no longer sounded good. :D
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:40:20 PM
I like those Campbell's Chunky Soups, sodium and all. And not because NFL players' moms want me to.
:lol:
I remember the commercial where the Fridge's mom told me to eat Campbell's.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
Obviously it's different for me being a single male. I make a stew to feed me for a week.
Nothing wrong with that, but we Americans can't tolerate eating the same thing more than twice a week, unless it's a pizza.
Unless you're David Lynch.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
Obviously it's different for me being a single male. I make a stew to feed me for a week.
Nothing wrong with that, but we Americans can't tolerate eating the same thing more than twice a week, unless it's a pizza. Benefits of living in the cornucopia that is American waste.
Me getting sick of foods drives my wife insane.
WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME YOU WAS TIRED OF CHICKEN PARMESAN?
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 16, 2013, 07:42:47 PM
I like Victor Cruz's mom. She seems nice.
One of the guys that used to work for me was his roomie when they played at UMass. Said she's the real deal.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 16, 2013, 07:45:28 PM
WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME YOU WAS TIRED OF CHICKEN PARMESAN?
Your wife talks like Shirley from What's Happening? :(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
Nothing wrong with that, but we Americans can't tolerate eating the same thing more than twice a week, unless it's a pizza. Benefits of living in the cornucopia that is American waste.
I like to cook my own food. So I either do stews or curries once a week. Or I make a quick pasta sauce on the night.
The exception, as you say, is of course pizza.
Being afraid of a crock pot is like being afraid of an electric blanket. :huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2013, 07:49:08 PM
Being afraid of a crock pot is like being afraid of an electric blanket. :huh:
I'm not afraid of the crock pot as much as I am afraid of the fire said crock pot could spark in my absence.
:hmm: Do you also unplug your refrigerator when you go out?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2013, 07:49:08 PM
Being afraid of a crock pot is like being afraid of an electric blanket. :huh:
Electric blankets are just about the most hazardous electric item in the home, ask a firefighter.
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 07:55:52 PM
:hmm: Do you also unplug your refrigerator when you go out?
ITS ONE MORE THING THAT CAN GO WRONG MAN
DO THE MATH
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2013, 07:49:08 PM
Being afraid of a crock pot is like being afraid of an electric blanket. :huh:
Never trusted them either. Won't have one near my bed, not least because I'm not elderly.
Quote from: mongers on April 16, 2013, 07:57:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2013, 07:49:08 PM
Being afraid of a crock pot is like being afraid of an electric blanket. :huh:
Electric blankets are just about the most hazardous electric item in the home, ask a firefighter.
That's why you should use rubber or latex sheets for golden shower sex play, not electric blankets.
Quote from: mongers on April 16, 2013, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 16, 2013, 07:28:24 PM
I love my rice cooker. :wub:
Cuban. <_<
I'm really sad as I got it as a gift and didn't use it for 2 years. Then I started using it and can't look back. :wub:
Quote from: mongers on April 16, 2013, 07:57:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2013, 07:49:08 PM
Being afraid of a crock pot is like being afraid of an electric blanket. :huh:
Electric blankets are just about the most hazardous electric item in the home, ask a firefighter.
Right?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
Obviously it's different for me being a single male. I make a stew to feed me for a week.
Nothing wrong with that, but we Americans can't tolerate eating the same thing more than twice a week, unless it's a pizza. Benefits of living in the cornucopia that is American waste.
USA! :showoff:
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 07:55:52 PM
:hmm: Do you also unplug your refrigerator when you go out?
:lol:
Quote from: garbon on April 16, 2013, 08:17:19 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 16, 2013, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 16, 2013, 07:28:24 PM
I love my rice cooker. :wub:
Cuban. <_<
I'm really sad as I got it as a gift and didn't use it for 2 years. Then I started using it and can't look back. :wub:
Rice cookers are the shit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 08:22:35 PM
Fire is everybody's foe, man. :mad:
Great. When you are out shopping and you hear the sirens you KNOW it is your place going up in smoke I bet.
Quote from: mongers on April 16, 2013, 07:57:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2013, 07:49:08 PM
Being afraid of a crock pot is like being afraid of an electric blanket. :huh:
Electric blankets are just about the most hazardous electric item in the home, ask a firefighter.
Yep. Staying with my nan was terrifying. Lots of flammable fabrics, explodable hair products, electric blankets and a pretty dodgy looking gas heater in a very small space :ph34r:
Well, that was a rather odd hijack.
Quote from: PDH on April 16, 2013, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 08:22:35 PM
Fire is everybody's foe, man. :mad:
Great. When you are out shopping and you hear the sirens you KNOW it is your place going up in smoke I bet.
It does cross my mind momentarily. :unsure:
Although nowadays I worry more about the multitude of mutts downstairs leaving their shit on in the oven while they all go to church. These independent sprinklers better fucking work.
One of the fatalities was a Chinese citizen.
Well now Jake is out for blood.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 16, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
One of the fatalities was a Chinese citizen.
One less spy is one less spy.
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2013, 07:55:52 PM
:hmm: Do you also unplug your refrigerator when you go out?
Nah, then it would run off.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 07:31:28 PM
My sister's like, "Well, if you don't want to leave the slow cooker on all day when you're not home, why don't you use it at night?"
Like I need to smell onion and potato pot roast at 4:15am.
:lol:
I do that for roasts or pulled pork to take to work for our food days. Nothing like confusing the hell out of your senses when you wake up.
I'd be breaking into that shit for breakfast.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 16, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
One of the fatalities was a Chinese citizen.
A stats student. Her friend, who's injured but in stable condition, is an actuarial student.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 08:43:50 PM
Quote from: PDH on April 16, 2013, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2013, 08:22:35 PM
Fire is everybody's foe, man. :mad:
Great. When you are out shopping and you hear the sirens you KNOW it is your place going up in smoke I bet.
It does cross my mind momentarily. :unsure:
Although nowadays I worry more about the multitude of mutts downstairs leaving their shit on in the oven while they all go to church. These independent sprinklers better fucking work.
This is just about your collection of board games, isn't it? You need a fireproof room to store them that will enable you to enjoy the wonderfull world of slowcooking.
Quote from: Jacob on April 16, 2013, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 16, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
One of the fatalities was a Chinese citizen.
A stats student. Her friend, who's injured but in stable condition, is an actuarial student.
Now Dguller is duty bound to avenge her. Actuary oath and all.
Quote from: Jacob on April 16, 2013, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 16, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
One of the fatalities was a Chinese citizen.
A stats student. Her friend, who's injured but in stable condition, is an actuarial student.
At least they knew the odds.
Wow... the woman was killed two days ago. Can we give it a week at least before we start with this shit?
Jesus.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 17, 2013, 08:37:19 AM
Quote from: Jacob on April 16, 2013, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 16, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
One of the fatalities was a Chinese citizen.
A stats student. Her friend, who's injured but in stable condition, is an actuarial student.
At least they knew the odds.
:pinch:
I shouldn't have laughed but I did.
Quote from: merithyn on April 17, 2013, 08:39:46 AM
Can we give it a week at least before we start with this shit?
Jesus.
Crock pot fires are dangerous though.
Quote from: merithyn on April 17, 2013, 08:39:46 AM
Wow... the woman was killed two days ago. Can we give it a week at least before we start with this shit?
Jesus.
We have this conversation everytime. Humour is a perfectly acceptable way to deal with grief.
Quote from: PDH on April 17, 2013, 09:19:54 AM
Crock pot fires are dangerous though.
Goddamned right. Pressure cookers are exploding all over the world, you can only imagine the threat crock pots pose.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 17, 2013, 09:21:09 AM
Quote from: merithyn on April 17, 2013, 08:39:46 AM
Wow... the woman was killed two days ago. Can we give it a week at least before we start with this shit?
Jesus.
We have this conversation everytime. Humour is a perfectly acceptable way to deal with grief.
languish does gallows humour well
Quote from: HVC on April 17, 2013, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 17, 2013, 09:21:09 AM
Quote from: merithyn on April 17, 2013, 08:39:46 AM
Wow... the woman was killed two days ago. Can we give it a week at least before we start with this shit?
Jesus.
We have this conversation everytime. Humour is a perfectly acceptable way to deal with grief.
languish does gallows humour, well
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 17, 2013, 09:21:09 AM
Quote from: merithyn on April 17, 2013, 08:39:46 AM
Wow... the woman was killed two days ago. Can we give it a week at least before we start with this shit?
Jesus.
We have this conversation everytime. Humour is a perfectly acceptable way to deal with grief.
You think Raz or AR are grieving?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 17, 2013, 09:19:54 AM
Crock pot fires are dangerous though.
Goddamned right. Pressure cookers are exploding all over the world, you can only imagine the threat crock pots pose.
You have me convinced. If I see a crock pot beside the road I am getting the fuck out of there.
QuoteFox pulls 'Family Guy' episode referring to deaths at Boston Marathon; no plans to re-air
By Associated Press, Published: April 16
NEW YORK — Fox has pulled from websites a recent episode of "Family Guy" that depicts mass deaths at the Boston Marathon, and has no immediate plans to air it again.
Fox spokeswoman Gaude Paez said Tuesday the episode has been removed from Fox.com and Hulu.com.
In the episode, protagonist Peter Griffin is asked by sports announcer Bob Costas about his performance at the marathon. A flashback shows Peter mowing down runners with his car.
"I'll tell ya, Bob, I just got in my car and drove it," Griffin says. "And when there was a guy in my way, I killed him."
Later, Peter befriends a terrorist who, unbeknownst to him, is plotting to blow up a bridge. When Peter dials a cellphone the friend has given him, explosions and screams are heard. On some websites, an edited clip has been circulating that fuses the two scenes, making it seem — incorrectly — as if the explosion was at the marathon. Some commenters have implied that the show "predicted" the bombings.
"Family Guy" creator Seth MacFarlane took to Twitter on Tuesday to vent anger over the edited clip and offer condolences to victims of Monday's bombings at the marathon.
"The edited 'Family Guy' clip currently circulating is abhorrent," MacFarlane tweeted. "The event was a crime and a tragedy, and my thoughts are with the victims."
Personally, I thought it was a hilarious episode.
Quote from: PDH on April 17, 2013, 09:32:09 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 17, 2013, 09:19:54 AM
Crock pot fires are dangerous though.
Goddamned right. Pressure cookers are exploding all over the world, you can only imagine the threat crock pots pose.
You have me convinced. If I see a crock pot beside the road I am getting the fuck out of there.
Only you can prevent forest fires at 170°F for 6 hours.
Quote from: Jacob on April 17, 2013, 09:31:28 AM
You think Raz or AR are grieving?
Raz, I don't even want to think about.
AR is using gallows humor to not make sense, but to deflect emotion from unthinkable to risible.
So, have no groups claimed responsibility so far? Normally, someone would try to coat tail on these things.
I kinda wonder if that Saudi guy who was tackled by Mart right after the blast is a genuine suspect, and they emphatic announcements that he's not are a ruse to trick him into communicating with someone in the hopes that he thinks he's not under surveillance. :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2013, 09:50:15 AM
I kinda wonder if that Saudi guy who was tackled by Mart right after the blast is a genuine suspect, and they emphatic announcements that he's not are a ruse to trick him into communicating with someone in the hopes that he thinks he's not under surveillance. :hmm:
You sound like FBI material, son. Apply today!
The truth is out there.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 09:32:39 AM
Personally, I thought it was a hilarious episode.
Yep. My kid liked the Angry Birds part. But still a bit creepy to watch again after Monday. Need to flag it for "do not delete" on the Tivo, cuz who knows if we'll ever see it again.
Jay Mohr blamed the bombing on gun culture & called for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment :huh:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 17, 2013, 09:19:54 AM
Crock pot fires are dangerous though.
Goddamned right. Pressure cookers are exploding all over the world, you can only imagine the threat crock pots pose.
Nothing wrong with crock pots. Now, toaster ovens, those fucking things are dangerous.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 17, 2013, 09:57:45 AM
Nothing wrong with crock pots. Now, toaster ovens, those fucking things are dangerous.
Hey! I gotta solder my circuit boards somehow! :angry:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 09:51:08 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2013, 09:50:15 AM
I kinda wonder if that Saudi guy who was tackled by Mart right after the blast is a genuine suspect, and they emphatic announcements that he's not are a ruse to trick him into communicating with someone in the hopes that he thinks he's not under surveillance. :hmm:
You sound like FBI material, son. Apply today!
He sounds more like Larry Bond or Tom Clancy. The F(amous)B(ut)I(ncompetent) just aren't that smart.
Quote from: Jacob on April 17, 2013, 09:31:28 AM
You think Raz or AR are grieving?
I am. Not like for a loved one of course, but apart from general concern for people, I am a runner and this is something I definitely relate to.
Quote from: derspiess on April 17, 2013, 09:57:29 AM
Jay Mohr blamed the bombing on gun culture & called for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment :huh:
I heard it was caused by illegal immigration.
Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2013, 10:41:57 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 17, 2013, 09:57:29 AM
Jay Mohr blamed the bombing on gun culture & called for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment :huh:
I heard it was caused by illegal immigration.
I read a comment on Facebook yesterday where someone was blaming it on
legal immigration - "we gotta stop letting America-hating people in here".
For every argument you make in jest, there's a complete idiot who makes the same argument with sincerity.
Quote from: Syt on April 17, 2013, 09:44:43 AM
So, have no groups claimed responsibility so far? Normally, someone would try to coat tail on these things.
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Quote from: derspiess on April 17, 2013, 09:57:29 AM
Jay Mohr blamed the bombing on gun culture & called for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment :huh:
Conservative columnist Eric Rush tweeted "Everybody do the National Security Ankle Grab! Let's bring more Saudis in without screening them! C'mon!" minutes after the explosions.
So there.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 17, 2013, 09:57:29 AM
Jay Mohr blamed the bombing on gun culture & called for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment :huh:
Conservative columnist Eric Rush tweeted "Everybody do the National Security Ankle Grab! Let's bring more Saudis in without screening them! C'mon!" minutes after the explosions.
So there.
Glad the left is as batshit crazy as the right.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 17, 2013, 09:57:29 AM
Jay Mohr blamed the bombing on gun culture & called for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment :huh:
Conservative columnist Eric Rush tweeted "Everybody do the National Security Ankle Grab! Let's bring more Saudis in without screening them! C'mon!" minutes after the explosions.
So there.
Not familiar with him.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 17, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
Glad the left is as batshit crazy as the right.
Why are you glad of that?
I mean, it is to be expected just from a statistical point of view, but I wouldn't say I'm glad.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 17, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 17, 2013, 09:57:29 AM
Jay Mohr blamed the bombing on gun culture & called for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment :huh:
Conservative columnist Eric Rush tweeted "Everybody do the National Security Ankle Grab! Let's bring more Saudis in without screening them! C'mon!" minutes after the explosions.
So there.
Glad the left is as batshit crazy as the right.
Not convinced this is true.
The left seems quite a bit less outright crazy.
Possibly more dangerous though.
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2013, 11:04:54 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 17, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 17, 2013, 09:57:29 AM
Jay Mohr blamed the bombing on gun culture & called for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment :huh:
Conservative columnist Eric Rush tweeted "Everybody do the National Security Ankle Grab! Let's bring more Saudis in without screening them! C'mon!" minutes after the explosions.
So there.
Glad the left is as batshit crazy as the right.
Not convinced this is true.
The left seems quite a bit less outright crazy.
Possibly more dangerous though.
Interesting
Quote from: Maximus on April 17, 2013, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 17, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
Glad the left is as batshit crazy as the right.
Why are you glad of that?
I mean, it is to be expected just from a statistical point of view, but I wouldn't say I'm glad.
Because it validates his centrism.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 17, 2013, 09:19:54 AM
Crock pot fires are dangerous though.
Goddamned right. Pressure cookers are exploding all over the world, you can only imagine the threat crock pots pose.
Hey now, leave crock pots alone.
Crockpot pizza...:mmm:
Quote from: 11B4V on April 17, 2013, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2013, 11:04:54 AM
The left seems quite a bit less outright crazy.
Possibly more dangerous though.
Interesting
For some reason, Berkut thinks it's still 1972.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2013, 11:21:14 AM
Crockpot pizza...:mmm:
How does that work? Don't you want to cook pizza quickly at as high a temp as you can get?
Edit: I googled it and it's definitely a thing. Looks like a casserole of some sort with pizza stuff in it.
:yuk:
Pizza should be cooked quickly, in a super-hot oven. Cooking it in a crockpot is like the exact opposite. :rolleyes:
This crock pot 'pizza' thing was probably invented in Chicago, the Fake Pizza Capital of the World. :)
Calm down spaz.
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2013, 11:40:08 AM
Pizza should be cooked quickly, in a super-hot oven.
Says the guy that eats it from this--
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Cal's dream menu:
http://guysamericankitchenandbar.com/
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2013, 11:40:08 AM
Pizza should be cooked quickly, in a super-hot oven.
Says the guy that eats it from this--
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Hey, if there were burgers in there you'd be all over it :contract:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 17, 2013, 11:25:14 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2013, 11:21:14 AM
Crockpot pizza...:mmm:
How does that work? Don't you want to cook pizza quickly at as high a temp as you can get?
Edit: I googled it and it's definitely a thing. Looks like a casserole of some sort with pizza stuff in it.
It looks like it's nothing more than baked pasta.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 17, 2013, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 17, 2013, 11:25:14 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2013, 11:21:14 AM
Crockpot pizza...:mmm:
How does that work? Don't you want to cook pizza quickly at as high a temp as you can get?
Edit: I googled it and it's definitely a thing. Looks like a casserole of some sort with pizza stuff in it.
It looks like it's nothing more than baked pasta.
BUT IT HAS PEPPERONI
I sense a stirring in the foodie hipsterfucks.
2 slices for 3.33$ Shit fuck man! Where is that?
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 17, 2013, 11:58:57 AM
2 slices for 3.33$ Shit fuck man! Where is that?
At speedway gas stations, its 2 for 2.22.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2013, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 17, 2013, 11:58:57 AM
2 slices for 3.33$ Shit fuck man! Where is that?
At speedway gas stations, its 2 for 2.22.
And damn does it look tasty.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 17, 2013, 11:58:57 AM
2 slices for 3.33$ Shit fuck man! Where is that?
I think I lifted it from a Dallas, TX site. :lol:
Those are quarter slices, though. After all, it is a convenience store, not a discount store.
CNN saying they have a suspect.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/us/boston-blasts/index.html
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2013, 12:04:57 PM
ITS NOT.
Trust me.
:lol:
My one Speedway weakness is their store brand low calorie energy drinks. Tastes like the cherry Lik'm Aid Fun Dip candy stuff I used to eat at the little league field.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 17, 2013, 12:12:56 PM
CNN saying they have a suspect.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/us/boston-blasts/index.html
Hopefully it's not just the guy who was walking on top of that one building.
Oh boy. 4chan to the rescue.
http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
:P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 17, 2013, 12:36:42 PM
Oh boy. 4chan to the rescue.
http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
:P
Awesome. I like the one that highlights "Da Bomb". :lol:
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/authorities-believe-they-have-bombing-suspect-image-K3xGSzBQRBy_yPumRCHysg.html
Apparently an arrest has been made.
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:hmm:
Gah. Apparently, no arrest.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/17/boston-marathon-bombs-circuit-pressure-cooker.html
So...do these news agencies actually investigate things or do they just report whatever rumors show up on twitter?
Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
So...do these news agencies actually investigate things or do they just report whatever rumors show up on twitter?
The latter. :)
Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
So...do these news agencies actually investigate things or do they just report whatever rumors show up on twitter?
If it's retweeted then it's confirmed.
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2013, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
So...do these news agencies actually investigate things or do they just report whatever rumors show up on twitter?
The latter. :)
Yep. There's always tons of false info in these cases.
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duh-duh-DUHHHHHHH
Jeopardy has been pre-empted fore the last few days so that the networks can keep talking about the same rumors, reports, and speculations that they've been retreating since the bomb went off.
Be one thing if they had something new.
SHOOT ON SIGHT
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
duh-duh-DUHHHHHHH
Due to the shadows and angle it's not obvious to me that he's not wearing the backpack in the second pick.
Quote from: Maximus on April 17, 2013, 04:46:46 PM
Due to the shadows and angle it's not obvious to me that he's not wearing the backpack in the second pick.
Look again at his left shoulder, the further one.
he looks mooselem
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
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duh-duh-DUHHHHHHH
Looking again, it seems the 2nd camel jockey, the one in blue, has also lost his gym bag.
They are standing there. The bags are probably just sitting on the ground in front of them. No use holding them if they aren't moving.
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
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duh-duh-DUHHHHHHH
Whats the time gap between those two photos ?
Is it just co-incidence that both times he's standing next to someone in a blue puffer jacket ?
I not and it's the same guy, them standing at right angle to each other might suggest a conversation ?
etc, etc ?
See, I think I'm just good enough to work for network news.
:cool:
Though I'll obviously need to get one of those twitter repeater device or whatever that text telex thing is.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 17, 2013, 05:00:06 PM
They are standing there. The bags are probably just sitting on the ground in front of them. No use holding them if they aren't moving.
Based on the pictures, the chances that those two are the bombers are non-zero, therefore your reasonable explanation won't fly. :ph34r:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 17, 2013, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 17, 2013, 05:00:06 PM
They are standing there. The bags are probably just sitting on the ground in front of them. No use holding them if they aren't moving.
Based on the pictures, the chances that those two are the bombers are non-zero, therefore your reasonable explanation won't fly. :ph34r:
Since they are not Black, White, Hispanic, or Oriental bring them in for questioning. To see if their papers are in order.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 17, 2013, 04:48:10 PM
Quote from: Maximus on April 17, 2013, 04:46:46 PM
Due to the shadows and angle it's not obvious to me that he's not wearing the backpack in the second pick.
Look again at his left shoulder, the further one.
There's something there. Could be wrinkles, could be a black strap strap on a black shirt.
Guy in blue definitely has a strap over his right shoulder in both pics.
I expect this disgusting racism from Caliga, but you Yi?
For shame.
I'm an excellent racial profiler.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 17, 2013, 05:10:41 PM
Maybe there will be drone strikes.
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Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2013, 05:35:43 PM
I'm an excellent racial profiler.
Good job Slingblade.
Cal doesn't like the way you talk.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 17, 2013, 11:58:57 AM
2 slices for 3.33$ Shit fuck man! Where is that?
We have dollar pizza all over the city. Surprisingly that which I've had is not horrible.
Quote from: derspiess on April 17, 2013, 09:57:29 AM
Jay Mohr blamed the bombing on gun culture & called for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment :huh:
That's good public policy, even if militia loons probably aren't to blame for this.
Quote from: garbon on April 17, 2013, 05:49:24 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 17, 2013, 11:58:57 AM
2 slices for 3.33$ Shit fuck man! Where is that?
We have dollar pizza all over the city. Surprisingly that which I've had is not horrible.
Wow you can buy something in New York for a dollar?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 17, 2013, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
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duh-duh-DUHHHHHHH
Looking again, it seems the 2nd camel jockey, the one in blue, has also lost his gym bag.
:huh: It doesn't, unless he dropped the gym back after unhooking it from his strap.
I would guess from the cancelled press conferences today that they have some information or important lead to announce to the public but that the Feds pressured them into waiting for Obama to arrive to either announce it personally or at least be on the podium.
Quote from: Strix on April 17, 2013, 11:33:41 PM
I would guess from the cancelled press conferences today that they have some information or important lead to announce to the public but that the Feds pressured them into waiting for Obama to arrive to either announce it personally or at least be on the podium.
Yes, you would guess that, because you're a douchebag.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 11:34:43 PM
Quote from: Strix on April 17, 2013, 11:33:41 PM
I would guess from the cancelled press conferences today that they have some information or important lead to announce to the public but that the Feds pressured them into waiting for Obama to arrive to either announce it personally or at least be on the podium.
Yes, you would guess that, because you're a douchebag.
Being a douchebag doesn't make me wrong.
Obama's not in charge of the investigation, douchebag.
Go back to crushing your castor beans.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 11:45:41 PM
Obama's not in charge of the investigation, douchebag.
Go back to crushing your castor beans.
The Feds are and that equals Obama. After getting his ass handed to him by the Senate, he needs some good publicity. What sells better than Obama on stage showing he is on top of the situation and announcing to the world what has been discovered.
It used to be you'd only show up to spout bullshit after Steelhead victories. Can't we go back to that? 8-8 was a nice pace.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 11:58:29 PM
Axis of Evil Sports Team Fans: Strix, OttoVonB, Minsky, derfetus, Ed Anger, more to be added later.
You are missing someone important! :mad:
Fixed.
I'm not sure why spiess is on that particular list. The Bengals may be laughable, but hardly evil. The Cardinals are Good Guys(tm). The University of Delaware is a non-entity.
It's Evil Sports Team Fans. Whether the teams themselves are evil is incidental.
:lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 11:58:29 PM
It used to be you'd only show up to spout bullshit after Steelhead victories. Can't we go back to that? 8-8 was a nice pace.
It wasn't that I was only showing up after Steeler victories, it was that there wasn't anything worth commenting on except STEELER victories.
That has changed.
Quote from: Strix on April 17, 2013, 11:41:33 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2013, 11:34:43 PM
Quote from: Strix on April 17, 2013, 11:33:41 PM
I would guess from the cancelled press conferences today that they have some information or important lead to announce to the public but that the Feds pressured them into waiting for Obama to arrive to either announce it personally or at least be on the podium.
Yes, you would guess that, because you're a douchebag.
Being a douchebag doesn't make me wrong.
Being Strix generally does, though.
*yawn*
Not really.
However, being a douchebag with no objectivity or common courtesy is the sole province of yourself, CdM, Berkut (his appendage Habs), and Raz. It has become hard to tell you guys apart because you lack any originality or finesse.
Quote from: Strix on April 18, 2013, 01:00:08 AM
*yawn*
Not really.
However, being a douchebag with no objectivity or common courtesy is the sole province of yourself, CdM, Berkut (his appendage Habs), and Raz. It has become hard to tell you guys apart because you lack any originality or finesse.
Now Raz, thats a personal attack.
Quote from: Strix on April 18, 2013, 01:00:08 AM
*yawn*
Not really.
However, being a douchebag with no objectivity or common courtesy is the sole province of yourself, CdM, Berkut (his appendage Habs), and Raz. It has become hard to tell you guys apart because you lack any originality or finesse.
You can't tell me, Seedy, Berkut, Habs, and Raz apart? :lol: It takes a lot of creativity to consistently come up with putdowns as lame as that.
You're all Democratic shills. Especially Habakku.
Well the US politics posts of DGuller and Raz are really carbon copies of each other most of the time. It's like they download the same party propaganda memo before posting.
Quote from: Tamas on April 18, 2013, 04:29:51 AM
Well the US politics posts of DGuller and Raz are really carbon copies of each other most of the time. It's like they download the same party propaganda memo before posting.
Yeah, but then DG adds slavic paranoia while Raz just adds generic loony.
Their content may be similar, but their style isn't.
Quote from: Tamas on April 18, 2013, 04:29:51 AM
Well the US politics posts of DGuller and Raz are really carbon copies of each other most of the time. It's like they download the same party propaganda memo before posting.
That's not surprising. We're both intelligent people.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2013, 12:20:58 AM
It's Evil Sports Team Fans. Whether the teams themselves are evil is incidental.
I was proud to be on that list. Until you let the Aspie in. :mad:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 18, 2013, 06:40:09 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2013, 12:20:58 AM
It's Evil Sports Team Fans. Whether the teams themselves are evil is incidental.
I was proud to be on that list. Until you let the Aspie in. :mad:
Save it, sweater vest boy.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 18, 2013, 06:40:09 AM
I was proud to be on that list. Until you let the Aspie in. :mad:
How can you begrudge a spot to a Pats fan? :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 18, 2013, 06:54:32 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 18, 2013, 06:40:09 AM
I was proud to be on that list. Until you let the Aspie in. :mad:
How can you begrudge a spot to a Pats fan? :hmm:
Easily.
Even the great TOSU is not as evil as the Pats.
Edit- Because of the thread this was posted in, I'll note that I have nothing against the Red Sox, Celtics or Bruins.
Quote from: Strix on April 18, 2013, 01:00:08 AM
*yawn*
Not really.
However, being a douchebag with no objectivity or common courtesy is the sole province of yourself, CdM, Berkut (his appendage Habs), and Raz. It has become hard to tell you guys apart because you lack any originality or finesse.
It's not hard to tell everyone apart. CdM has a particular style, Berkut posts in large paragraphs, Habs posts one-liners, Raz is a crazy guy and DorseyGuller is a crazy Russian accountant.
I promoted DG to American. Still a filthy Slav though and likely a GRU agent.
"...being a douchebag....with no common courtesy...."
He doesn't even see how ridiculous he is, does he?
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2013, 01:21:15 PM
"...being a douchebag....with no common courtesy...."
He doesn't even see how ridiculous he is, does he?
The only people being ridiculous here are the ones I mentioned. I gave up a long time ago taking you or your posts seriously. You do not even make an attempt at discussion or dialogue. I basically get stalked, attacked, and the thread gets spammed to death. I wouldn't mind it so much if you used humor, cleverness, or originality (things which made Languish stand out as a unique place) but you and your cohorts are incapable of any of these things. I wouldn't even mind it so much if you guys were at least intellectually honest about what you say. You seem incapable of that in the last few years.
So, yes, spam this thread to death just because I posted in it. It's what you do best.
Yeah, I didn't think you did...
The two guys featured most prominently in the posted pics are saying they didn't do it. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/runners-fingered-as-bombing-suspects-875362
I'm guessing they're probably telling the truth. If either were a suspect they'd be in custody now.
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2013, 02:10:19 PM
Yeah, I didn't think you did...
*yawn*
Is that all you have? Sitting on your ass all day doing nothing you'd think you might come up with something better.
Quote from: Strix on April 18, 2013, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2013, 02:10:19 PM
Yeah, I didn't think you did...
*yawn*
Is that all you have? Sitting on your ass all day doing nothing you'd think you might come up with something better.
Why would I need to come up with anything else?
You do all the work for me.
Quote from: derspiess on April 18, 2013, 02:27:52 PM
The two guys featured most prominently in the posted pics are saying they didn't do it. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/runners-fingered-as-bombing-suspects-875362
I'm guessing they're probably telling the truth. If either were a suspect they'd be in custody now.
I wondered how long it would be before all of the 4chan photos came out and people had to start defending themselves.
Let's see how people handle it. So far, it sounds like these two kids are handling it well. I hope it continues.
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2013, 02:51:37 PM
Quote from: Strix on April 18, 2013, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2013, 02:10:19 PM
Yeah, I didn't think you did...
*yawn*
Is that all you have? Sitting on your ass all day doing nothing you'd think you might come up with something better.
Why would I need to come up with anything else?
You do all the work for me.
Of course, I am UNION STRONG
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Teen: I Am Not the Boston Marathon Bomber (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/teen-boston-marathon-bomber/story?id=18990057)
Quote from: derspiess on April 18, 2013, 02:27:52 PM
The two guys featured most prominently in the posted pics are saying they didn't do it. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/runners-fingered-as-bombing-suspects-875362
I'm guessing they're probably telling the truth. If either were a suspect they'd be in custody now.
derspiess beat you to it, :)
I think it might be a good idea to go ahead and release the image of the suspect. I'm pretty sure the real culprit has already gone "underground" and if he has half a brain he's assuming that they're on to him. And I'm sure all the innocent people being pointed out in these pictures would appreciate their friends, neighbors & strangers treat them like suspects.
Quote from: derspiess on April 18, 2013, 04:12:21 PM
I think it might be a good idea to go ahead and release the image of the suspect. I'm pretty sure the real culprit has already gone "underground" and if he has half a brain he's assuming that they're on to him. And I'm sure all the innocent people being pointed out in these pictures would appreciate their friends, neighbors & strangers treat them like suspects.
Ya think maybe the authorities might not want the bad guy knowing they know...
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 18, 2013, 04:13:58 PM
Ya think maybe the authorities might not want the bad guy knowing they know...
Would that make any difference at this point? Like I said, if he has half a brain he's already acting as if they know.
FBI is finally starting their 5:00pm briefing.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream3&hpt=hp_t2#/video/cvplive/cvpstream3
Awful, I've been getting spam with phishing links that has a subject regarding Boston Marathon explosions.
Quote from: merithyn on April 18, 2013, 03:28:29 PM
derspiess beat you to it, :)
Yes, yes he did. But I've been waiting for almost a day to post that line. :P
And they're releasing the images. They identified a second guy. First guy is darker skinned, possibly middle eastern, but the second guy looks white to me.
They just told everyone to go to fbi.gov to get the pictures-- and the site has crashed :rolleyes:
Quote from: derspiess on April 18, 2013, 04:24:14 PM
And they're releasing the images. They identified a second guy. First guy is darker skinned, possibly middle eastern, but the second guy looks white to me.
Some dudes from that region have naturally pale skin. My boss is Iranian and his skin is paler than mine, and I'm entirely of northern European ancestry myself. :)
Quote from: derspiess on April 18, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
They just told everyone to go to fbi.gov to get the pictures-- and the site has crashed :rolleyes:
I noticed that too. :P
One of the weirdest moments of my life was the day I was moving out of my dorm room in Bloomington after a summer Russian workshop. While I'm packing up to leave, the guy, a Russian-American, starts to explain that the Chechen war happened because Chechens are "n******". This was late summer, and the dude was super, super tanned-way more tanned than any Caucasian I've ever met could get. :lol:
Quote from: Caliga on April 18, 2013, 04:36:10 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 18, 2013, 04:24:14 PM
And they're releasing the images. They identified a second guy. First guy is darker skinned, possibly middle eastern, but the second guy looks white to me.
Some dudes from that region have naturally pale skin. My boss is Iranian and his skin is paler than mine, and I'm entirely of northern European ancestry myself. :)
I was going by his profile-- it looked more European than Semitic or whatever to me. But the second time I looked on the video he did look maybe a little more non-European from the front. Hopefully the pics will be clearer than they appeared during the briefing.
Having trouble getting to the individual pics but they are here: http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston
Guy #1 looks like he could be Indian or Pakistani.
I predict that they will find that these two had nothing to do with the bombing. They're only "clue" is a similar black backpack. Hell, 4chan found how many people with similar backpacks?
Imgur link for the pictures: http://imgur.com/a/wRl0g
Quote from: merithyn on April 18, 2013, 04:46:49 PM
I predict that they will find that these two had nothing to do with the bombing. They're only "clue" is a similar black backpack. Hell, 4chan found how many people with similar backpacks?
That may or may not turn out to be the case.
The FBI doesn't make mistakes. :mad:
"F... B... I."
I was under the impression they had a video from the retail store showing him putting the bag down.
Quote from: merithyn on April 18, 2013, 04:46:49 PM
I predict that they will find that these two had nothing to do with the bombing. They're only "clue" is a similar black backpack. Hell, 4chan found how many people with similar backpacks?
I thought they said they had one or both of them on video dropping their backpack & leaving it.
They also said they considered them armed & dangerous, so no tackling unless you're Marti.
If that's the case, that was not mentioned during the press conference, nor is it being reported by Reuters. The only thing mentioned is that the first guy has a backpack a lot like the black one that held the first bomb.
They look like jihadists. Or Boston College undergrads.
Quote from: merithyn on April 18, 2013, 04:58:04 PM
If that's the case, that was not mentioned during the press conference, nor is it being reported by Reuters. The only thing mentioned is that the first guy has a backpack a lot like the black one that held the first bomb.
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned during the press conference.
edit: Yep, rewatched the briefing and they said Suspect 2 set down a backpack right at the spot of one of the explosions. He said it early-on so if you joined in progress you might have missed it.
Breaking news at NBCnews.com, no other information yet.
EDIT: Seems they're lagging. Here's some info
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/theres-shooter-loose-and-officer-down-mit/64379/
QuoteUpdated 11:21 p.m.: MIT issued an emergency alert at 10:48 on Thursday night reporting shots fired on the university campus. MIT's school newspaper, The Tech, reports, "Shots fired near 32 Vassar St (Stata Center), police officer down. Please stay inside." That report is backed up by CBS News's Bonney Kapp who reports hearing "officer down" on the police scanner just before the MIT alert went out. The Tech followed up a few minutes later, reporting that the injured officer was from MIT Police and was being taken to Mass. General Hospital. For now, details are scarce, but the suspect is on the loose and considered armed and extremely dangerous.
Police are on the scene and searching for the suspect, while the university's ordered all students and staff to remain indoors.
One MIT officer down, taken to Mass General. May be related to an armed robbery at a nearby 7-11 that occurred around the same time.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/theres-shooter-loose-and-officer-down-mit/64379/
Edit: dammit, Tim. <_<
Not enough bodies. Page B-3.
Should be armed guards at every 7-11. Hooray for freedom!
Quote from: Neil on April 18, 2013, 11:15:47 PM
Should be armed guards at every 7-11. Hooray for freedom!
there usually is....the clerk
Only if he's also the owner.
Ugh.
Quote(CNN) -- A university police officer has died after being shot on the Massachusetts Institute of Technology campus in Cambridge late Thursday, said state police spokesman Lt. Mark Riley.
The MIT officer was responding to a disturbance when he was shot, according to the state district attorney's office. He sustained "multiple gunshot wounds."
State police and the FBI were called in after the shooting and found the campus policeman near Building 32 on MIT's campus. He was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead, the district attorney's office said.
Dozens of officers surrounded and cordoned off the building, known as the Stata Center, which houses computer science laboratories as well as the department of linguistics and philosophy, according to MIT's website.
The university, which lies adjacent to the city of Boston, requested people stay away from the building as police considered the situation potentially dangerous.
Students and faculty received e-mails to alert them to the event, CNN affiliate WCVB reported.
Residents in the area have been on edge after two bombs ripped through the crowd near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, killing three people and injuring about 180 others. Police are seeking two suspects in the attack, and they are still at large.
There is no indication there is any connection between the officer's killing and the marathon tragedy.
Many news media outlets are in the area covering the investigation into Monday's bombings and arrived at MIT to cover the shooting, WCVB reported.
The Stata Center also contains a food court, WCVB said. It serves as a gathering area for students.
Their saying they have one of the fuckers in custody. http://www.bostonglobe.com/ Cant tell if it's linked to the MIT shooting.
From the Boston Globe.
Their saying they have one of the fuckers (bombers) in custody. http://www.bostonglobe.com/ Saying it might be linked to the MIT shooting.
From the Boston Globe.
Sunil Trapathi. Reddit got it right. Hindu Brown student. What the fuck?
Quote from: Queequeg on April 19, 2013, 02:09:56 AM
Sunil Trapathi. Reddit got it right. Hindu Brown student. What the fuck?
If the MIT scene and marathon scene are linked, it's some bizarre shit.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 19, 2013, 02:09:56 AM
Sunil Trapathi. Reddit got it right. Hindu Brown student. What the fuck?
If it is him, been MIA for a month. Reported missing 3/16/13.
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Quote from: Queequeg on April 19, 2013, 02:09:56 AM
Sunil Trapathi. Reddit got it right. Hindu Brown student. What the fuck?
If this is linked to the MIT scene. It's some bizarre shit.
This whole week has been bizarre shit.
They look to have been better socially integrated than the Virginia Tech monster. What the fuck?
This is a weird ass week.
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A che tee? :bleeding:
Somebody should resurrect J. Edgar Hoover.
What a honker.
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This is a weird ass week.
If it turns out that this is some type of cell...the GOP will be insufferable.
Quote from: Tamas on April 19, 2013, 02:31:02 AM
A che tee? :bleeding:
Somebody should resurrect J. Edgar Hoover.
My GF's oldest daughter wanted to wear a Che t-shirt. I was rather blunt, to say the least.
I always wanted to have a Ché style Stalin t-shirt that says "My Ché T-Shirt is in the laundry.
If they are linked it seems Breivik has inspired some people.
Man, I picked the right night to doze off on the sofa to MSNBC.
They're saying Black Hat is dead with several gsws, White Hat is on the loose. Broke through a police barricade somehow.
They have video of that shootout in the neighborhood. Lots of rounds and explosions.
Man, Cape Cod PD SWAT has a boss fucking tactical vehicle.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 03:12:21 AM
Man, I picked the right night to doze off on the sofa to MSNBC.
What are you 70?
Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2013, 03:34:18 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 03:12:21 AM
Man, I picked the right night to doze off on the sofa to MSNBC.
What are you 70?
:P It was actually NBC. And I had a big dinner. Made me all old-man sleepy.
NBC has photos from MIT of White Hat in a gunfight at MIT, followed by a black SUV that broke through a police barricade. They're on the nbcnews.com front page.
So my question is watching these tv reports, they say Black Bridgestone Cap suspect #1 is dead, White Cap suspect #2 is on lam, who is the guy that was taken into custody in CNN footage that was put into police car buck naked? some poor schmo or some associate of the other two.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 03:37:26 AM
NBC has photos from MIT of White Hat in a gunfight at MIT, followed by a black SUV that broke through a police barricade. They're on the nbcnews.com front page.
Couple of those are from twitter feed of guy that MSNBC had interview with as shootout happened right down below his house/apartment.
Was he the same guy that said they tossed grenades and a pressure cooker bomb?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 03:40:33 AM
Was he the same guy that said they tossed grenades and a pressure cooker bomb?
The one in custody? No idea, just had footage on CNN from one of their cameramen of that fellow put in back of cruiser naked, then reports that FBI showed up and took him out of car (which by that time they had clothed him) and took his picture and then put him back in car.
Apparently the naked guy is no longer a suspect. He was just naked.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on April 19, 2013, 03:43:59 AM
Apparently the naked guy is no longer a suspect. He was just naked.
Gotcha, as i've switched back to MSNBC coverage hadn't heard that. :)
Can't wait to find out how they got the handguns.
Maybe they watched that Al Qaeda video that tells jihadists how to get them at gun shows. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 03:49:20 AM
Can't wait to find out how they got the handguns.
Maybe they watched that Al Qaeda video that tells jihadists how to get them at gun shows. :lol:
Oh jeeze, if that is the case.
And if what Pete Williams is reporting on NBC sounds like it's not the Brown student...
Sounds like White Hat shot his way out of the police perimeter, and is still loose in that Watertown neighborhood. He's gotta be holed up in somebody's house.
Cops are moving in with tactical vehicles to evacuate people one house at a time.
QuoteLaw enforcement sources said the suspects have international links and have been in the country legally for about a year.
The suspects approached the MIT officer and shot him in head, the sources said. The two then stole the MIT officer's cruiser, robbed a nearby 7-11 and carjacked a Mercedes SUV, briefly kidnapping the driver, the sources said. At various points, the suspects threw explosives out the window of the moving car.
The dead suspect had an improvised explosive device strapped to his chest and the law enforcement sources warned that the suspect on the run may as well.
Watertown resident Andrew Kitzenberg described the earlier police shoot out outside his house. "They engaged in gunfire for a few minutes," Kitzenberg told NBC News. "They were also utilizing bombs, which sounded and looked like grenades, while engaging in the gunfight. They also had what looked like a pressure-cooker bomb."
Kitzenberg said when he looked out the window he saw two people taking cover between a black Mercedes SUV and a sedan, and watched them shooting 70 or 80 yards toward six Watertown police vehicles.
He said the pair took cover behind the Mercedes SUV and were shooting westward toward the police officers. They also had backpacks.
"It was a firefight," he added. "There was a long exchange of gunfire."
One of the shooters then ran toward the officers, while the other got into the SUV, Kitzenberg recounted.
The person on foot later fell to the ground, but Kitzenberg said he was unable to tell whether he had been tackled or shot.
The other drove the SUV through the line of police cars at the end of the street, he added.
Trauma surgeon at Beth Israel Hospital said Black Hat had gunshot wounds "more than he could count" and explosives injuries.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 04:20:27 AM
QuoteLaw enforcement sources said the suspects have international links and have been in the country legally for about a year.
The suspects approached the MIT officer and shot him in head, the sources said. The two then stole the MIT officer's cruiser, robbed a nearby 7-11 and carjacked a Mercedes SUV, briefly kidnapping the driver, the sources said. At various points, the suspects threw explosives out the window of the moving car.
The dead suspect had an improvised explosive device strapped to his chest and the law enforcement sources warned that the suspect on the run may as well.
Watertown resident Andrew Kitzenberg described the earlier police shoot out outside his house. "They engaged in gunfire for a few minutes," Kitzenberg told NBC News. "They were also utilizing bombs, which sounded and looked like grenades, while engaging in the gunfight. They also had what looked like a pressure-cooker bomb."
Kitzenberg said when he looked out the window he saw two people taking cover between a black Mercedes SUV and a sedan, and watched them shooting 70 or 80 yards toward six Watertown police vehicles.
He said the pair took cover behind the Mercedes SUV and were shooting westward toward the police officers. They also had backpacks.
"It was a firefight," he added. "There was a long exchange of gunfire."
One of the shooters then ran toward the officers, while the other got into the SUV, Kitzenberg recounted.
The person on foot later fell to the ground, but Kitzenberg said he was unable to tell whether he had been tackled or shot.
The other drove the SUV through the line of police cars at the end of the street, he added.
Fixed it, just in case.
Watertown on lockdown.
If I still worked at Harvard I'd have a three-day weekend. Damnit. :(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 03:58:33 AM
Sounds like White Hat shot his way out of the police perimeter, and is still loose in that Watertown neighborhood. He's gotta be holed up in somebody's house.
Cops are moving in with tactical vehicles to evacuate people one house at a time.
Damn.
Talking head on NBC/Today just out tossed out that they're Chechen.
MSNBC reporting that they were brothers.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on April 19, 2013, 03:43:59 AM
Apparently the naked guy is no longer a suspect. He was just naked.
Now to get that broomstick!
From near Chechnya, so i blame Dguller and Spellus.
I guess they're jihadis after all.
Yup, explosive trapped to chest, fighting to the death on the street--that's Jihadists. Guys like McVeigh are probably ultimately resigned to the fact that they may get caught and imprisoned and even executed, but they tend to surrender when caught, survivalist types don't seem to enjoy dying in a blaze of glory for whatever reason.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 04:28:37 AM
Trauma surgeon at Beth Israel Hospital said Black Hat had gunshot wounds "more than he could count" and explosives injuries.
Given the situation with them throwing explosions and having killed a officer earlier I suspect several different guys emptied into him. The transport to the hospital was probably a formality.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 19, 2013, 06:19:21 AM
Yup, explosive trapped to chest, fighting to the death on the street--that's Jihadists. Guys like McVeigh are probably ultimately resigned to the fact that they may get caught and imprisoned and even executed, but they tend to surrender when caught, survivalist types don't seem to enjoy dying in a blaze of glory for whatever reason.
... cause their objective is to, eh, survive?
Apparently the dead suspect is named Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Apparently he was training for boxing. http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery/-/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/
His alleged girlfriend was pretty cute: http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/I0000kjbwUqXuuXk
"Tamerlab says his girlfriend is half Portuguese, half Italian girlfriend and converted to Islam: "She's beautiful, man!""
And no surprise, the guy likes his Islamic videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah/videos
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 02:34:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on April 19, 2013, 02:31:02 AM
A che tee? :bleeding:
Somebody should resurrect J. Edgar Hoover.
My GF's oldest daughter wanted to wear a Che t-shirt. I was rather blunt, to say the least.
Just for you, I'll wear my Che t-shirt tomorrow while chanting Viva La Revolution.
Do any Languish military peeps happen to know what "The Bango", the spherical device carried on the Boston PD Spec Ops bomb disposal vehicle is?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22212166 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22212166)
Cal = GENIOUS.
This morning (before I saw Toni's post) Princesca and I were looking at the suspect photos on Boston.com and I said "These don't look like Arabs to me, but more like Iranians or Caucasians of some kind. I can't really see Iranians doing this, and the only Caucasians I can think of would be Chechens... but I can't think of a reason why Chechens would attack America instead of Russia."
But I'm still proud of myself for speculating aloud about Chechens. :showoff:
Quote from: Brazen on April 19, 2013, 06:41:04 AM
Do any Languish military peeps happen to know what "The Bango", the spherical device carried on the Boston PD Spec Ops bomb disposal vehicle is?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22212166 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22212166)
Looks like a sas of somesuch.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 19, 2013, 06:46:19 AM
Looks like a sas of somesuch.
What do you mean by sas?
I though it might be a radio jammer.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 04:28:37 AM
Trauma surgeon at Beth Israel Hospital said Black Hat had gunshot wounds "more than he could count" and explosives injuries.
Beth Israel Hospital is in Manhattan. Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center is the one in Boston. I used to work there. :)
It's a Total Containment Vessel (TCV).
http://vk.com/id160300242 (http://vk.com/id160300242)
That's the guy's vkontakt page.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on April 19, 2013, 07:03:48 AM
http://vk.com/id160300242 (http://vk.com/id160300242)
That's the guy's vkontakt page.
I like the "Send a Gift" tab. :lol:
Quote from: Brazen on April 19, 2013, 06:53:03 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 19, 2013, 06:46:19 AM
Looks like a sas of somesuch.
What do you mean by sas?
I though it might be a radio jammer.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3414%2F3506016140_795b47296f_z.jpg&hash=234d8b8f90aac7fc3ea2365e151e2d783468a1dc)
It seems to have a door. Like open it, put bomb in it & detonate?
Yes, that's what I said in my last post, a Total Containment Vessel (TCV) :smarty:
I feel somewhat inhuman having to find a technology angle to a humanitarian tragedy :(
Ah, Yeah just saw that post.
I'm hearing the second suspect has posted on a social media site that he's getting ready to take his life. Interesting if true.
I go back to sleep for a few hours and this guy's not caught yet? And they just put the whole city on lock down? WTF.
And yeah, they detonate items in that little fucker. That thing is heavy as balls.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 19, 2013, 07:26:37 AM
I'm hearing the second suspect has posted on a social media site that he's getting ready to take his life. Interesting if true.
Yeah, shit like this, there will be no arrests.
Quote from: stjaba on April 19, 2013, 06:37:30 AM
Apparently the dead suspect is named Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Apparently he was training for boxing. http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery/-/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/
His alleged girlfriend was pretty cute: http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/I0000kjbwUqXuuXk
"Tamerlab says his girlfriend is half Portuguese, half Italian girlfriend and converted to Islam: "She's beautiful, man!""
And no surprise, the guy likes his Islamic videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah/videos
According to this, he and his family moved to the states five years ago.
This guy's either 1) holed up in somebody's house close to where he bailed out of the vehicle, scaring the shit out of somebody's family, and will kill himself when the tactical teams start getting close, or 2) has stolen another car, and can be anywhere.
My money's on #1.
Who would have thought somebody named Tamerlane could be evil?
Pete Williams sez the cops have a bead on where he is right now.
And person of interest is in custody from the home the suspects were living at.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:30:10 AM
And yeah, they detonate items in that little fucker. That thing is heavy as balls.
Not surprised, they're made out of 1.5 inch thick HY-100 steel, the same material used to construct Seawolf-class submarines.
I feel sick. :(
So of course, my mother hadn't known about any of this earlier as they weren't watching the news. Her boyfriend went walking the dog in Cambridge and was like yeah it seemed like there were few people around. They only found out once the son tried to go to school and the commuter system is closed.
Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 07:51:00 AM
So of course, my mother hadn't known about any of this earlier as they weren't watching the news. Her boyfriend went walking the dog in Cambridge and was like yeah it seemed like there were few people around. They only found out once the son tried to go to school and the commuter system is closed.
You know, it helps to turn on the TV in the mornings every once in a while, if only for the traffic.
I'd say for the weather too, but your Mom strikes me as the type of person that's satisfied looking out the window. :lol:
Quote from: Brazen on April 19, 2013, 07:46:01 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:30:10 AM
And yeah, they detonate items in that little fucker. That thing is heavy as balls.
Not surprised, they're made out of 1.5 inch thick HY-100 steel, the same material used to construct Seawolf-class submarines.
Weak. Submarines are weak.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:53:56 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 07:51:00 AM
So of course, my mother hadn't known about any of this earlier as they weren't watching the news. Her boyfriend went walking the dog in Cambridge and was like yeah it seemed like there were few people around. They only found out once the son tried to go to school and the commuter system is closed.
You know, it helps to turn on the TV in the mornings every once in a while, if only for the traffic.
I'd say for the weather too, but your Mom strikes me as the type of person that's satisfied looking out the window. :lol:
Well she's now nominally retired and in the city, so traffic is also irrelevant to her mind. :D
Fast moving story. I woke up to this all happening, one supect caught/killed and the manhunt for the other. I work outside of Boston but several of my co-workers aren't here today because they live in the lockdown areas. One of my neighbors is a cop on an area SWAT team for the local towns and was called in on Monday. I don't think he's been back home all week as yet.
Waiting for the pink mist--
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BINM28bCUAEKYxR.jpg:large)
I'm glad NECN is interviewing a retired FBI agent - Tanya. She was saying bad things that could happen and reporter was like let's try and stay positive. :D
Okay, I need to get to work!
That shed doesn't look very comfy.
Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 08:05:34 AM
I'm glad NECN is interviewing a retired FBI agent - Tanya. She was saying bad things that could happen and reporter was like let's try and stay positive. :D
Okay, I need to get to work!
The Phantom Gourmet was on last night saying that they should be beaten and killed like dogs in the street. The news teams are at the poin tthat they are bringing on restaurant critics to give their input on things.
Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 08:05:34 AM
Okay, I need to get to work!
Yeah, off to the shelter myself. Get to deal with my own shelter-in-place protocol. GET IT? GET IT? ITS A JOKE SON A GAG
If there was a bunch of swat guys around my house I wouldn't be peeking out windows to take pictures. Just sayin'
Funny, CNN had a classmate of the one guy on; said when he saw the photos of the Wanted poster, he was like, "hey, that looks just like him!" Naturally, didn't call anybody.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:58:55 AM
Waiting for the pink mist--
Apparently the Boston PD is asking for these pictures to be taken down as he'll know where they're coming from!
I sincerely doubt he's got the time to log into Languish at the moment.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:17:38 AM
I sincerely doubt he's got the time to log into Languish at the moment.
I don't know. Asshole with unspecific rage? Does seem like our target demographic.
But no-ones doubts there's a significant chance he's a lurker here.
Guess the house used to belong to a friend of mine. He recognized it right off.
When you can't log in this weekend, it's because they've raided vM's house.
It'll be a bitch to put all that concrete in evidence bags.
I'm impressed by Fox affiliates & Fox news coverage of this. When they don't have time to spin anything they do a good job.
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 19, 2013, 05:39:08 AM
Talking head on NBC/Today just out tossed out that they're Chechen.
The Russians still keep them around?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 19, 2013, 08:21:25 AM
Guess the house used to belong to a friend of mine. He recognized it right off.
It was smart of him to leave. Watertown = dump. :(
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 08:38:26 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 19, 2013, 08:21:25 AM
Guess the house used to belong to a friend of mine. He recognized it right off.
It was smart of him to leave. Watertown = dump. :(
Yes.
So, how does this go in practice? Does a SWAT team knock on your front door and ask, "Would you mind if we placed a sniper team on your garden shed roof for an hour or six?"
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 19, 2013, 08:34:55 AM
I'm impressed by Fox affiliates & Fox news coverage of this. When they don't have time to spin anything they do a good job.
NBC does a good job too when they keep their politics out of it.
CNN is just a hot mess.
Quote from: Syt on April 19, 2013, 08:51:25 AM
So, how does this go in practice? Does a SWAT team knock on your front door and ask, "Would you mind if we placed a sniper team on your garden shed roof for an hour or six?"
I don't think they'd ask that politely. I guess you don't know much about Bostonians. :(
This is what I get for sleeping for four hours.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 19, 2013, 09:15:38 AM
This is what I get for sleeping for four hours.
Yeah, I hate being the last to know about crap like this.
annnnnnnnnnnd Fox is back to spin.
#2 is really just a kid. And his older brother involves him in this madness? There aren't enough circles in hell for that one.
Just put him down already.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 19, 2013, 09:34:09 AM
#2 is really just a kid. And his older brother involves him in this madness? There aren't enough circles in hell for that one.
I've been thinking that all morning.
CNN sez he may be runnin'. Time for Buford T Justice to get into HOT PURSUIT.
Quote from: merithyn on April 19, 2013, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 19, 2013, 09:34:09 AM
#2 is really just a kid. And his older brother involves him in this madness? There aren't enough circles in hell for that one.
I've been thinking that all morning.
Stop thinking with your vagina.
NO MERCY
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 09:39:15 AM
Stop thinking with your vagina.
NO MERCY
Believe me, I wish I could. It would be a whole lot easier on me.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 09:39:15 AM
Quote from: merithyn on April 19, 2013, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 19, 2013, 09:34:09 AM
#2 is really just a kid. And his older brother involves him in this madness? There aren't enough circles in hell for that one.
I've been thinking that all morning.
Stop thinking with your vagina.
NO MERCY
Yeah sorry, he's legally an adult.
From the BBC:
QuoteIndependent Moscow radio station Ekho Moskvy has a statement from Alvi Karimov, the leader of the Chechen Republic.
He told Interfax "the suspects in the Boston crimes have no relation to Chechnya". He says "according to preliminary information" the family moved "many years ago from Chechnya to another region of Russia".
"Then for a long time they lived in Kazakhstan, and from there moved to the US, where family members obtained residency," Mr Karimov said. "So the persons concerned did not live in Chechnya as adults, and if they became 'bad apples' then it's a question of who was educating them."
Quote from: merithyn on April 19, 2013, 09:40:27 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 09:39:15 AM
Stop thinking with your vagina.
NO MERCY
Believe me, I wish I could. It would be a whole lot easier on me.
He made his shit sandwich, and he's gonna eat it.
A fair point. We also do not know for certain if this was motivated by religious or ethnic reasons.
Sorry Ide and salon.com guy :(
Hah, two Chechens go to Boston and shut the place down. :wacko:
I'm surprised Southies haven't lynched a dark skinned person yet.
I wonder what the reaction (if any) by the couple thousand Chechens in Vienna will be. I expect to see more proudly worn ЧЕЧНЯ-jackets/t-shirts.
Though ours are quiet except for the occasional knife-fight with similar races. And the occasional realization that some of them are wanted killers who have been "parked" here by their local regime (like the one bodyguard of the president who was here for a few years then suddenly disappeared, when the authorities (officially) realized who he was).
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
CNN sez he may be runnin'. Time for Buford T Justice to get into HOT PURSUIT.
<----------------------------- KEW KEW KEW!!!!
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 09:51:11 AM
I'm surprised Southies haven't lynched a dark skinned person yet.
Man that would be unjust considering these dudes are literally Caucasians.
Not that there is a just reason to lynch random dark skinned person.
Quote from: Valmy on April 19, 2013, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 09:51:11 AM
I'm surprised Southies haven't lynched a dark skinned person yet.
Man that would be unjust considering these dudes are literally Caucasians.
Not that there is a just reason to lynch random dark skinned person.
Southies are morons.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 09:54:58 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
CNN sez he may be runnin'. Time for Buford T Justice to get into HOT PURSUIT.
<----------------------------- KEW KEW KEW!!!!
C'mon Flash!
Going by the local ABC feed, they're blocking off an area as though they have him cornered.
Fucking sombitch
http://www.newser.com/story/166524/boston-suspects-dad-if-he-dies-expect-hell.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united
Quote(Newser) – The father of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev didn't have reassuring words when he spoke to ABC News from his Russian home today. "If they killed him, then all hell would break loose," he warned, though he didn't give any details on what he meant. Anzor Tsarnaev says his sons are innocent, but urged Dzhokhar to surrender. "Give up. Give up. You have a bright future ahead of you. Come home to Russia." Dzhokhar's brother Tamerlan reportedly died in an overnight gunfight with police.
Anzor says he was worried about his sons when he heard about the bombing Monday, and spoke to them by phone. They told him, "Everything is good, Daddy. Everything is very good," he says. In an earlier interview with the AP, he described Dzhokar as "a true angel." Media outlets have been tracking down former friends and acquaintances of the brothers, and one of them echoed that description to CNN, calling Dzhokhar "a walking angel" who "smokes a little weed," Vanity Fair reports. He may be a student at UMass Dartmouth, Business Insider adds. Click for more on the brothers.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 10:02:26 AM
Fucking sombitch
http://www.newser.com/story/166524/boston-suspects-dad-if-he-dies-expect-hell.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united
Quote(Newser) – The father of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev didn't have reassuring words when he spoke to ABC News from his Russian home today. "If they killed him, then all hell would break loose," he warned, though he didn't give any details on what he meant. Anzor Tsarnaev says his sons are innocent, but urged Dzhokhar to surrender. "Give up. Give up. You have a bright future ahead of you. Come home to Russia." Dzhokhar's brother Tamerlan reportedly died in an overnight gunfight with police.
Anzor says he was worried about his sons when he heard about the bombing Monday, and spoke to them by phone. They told him, "Everything is good, Daddy. Everything is very good," he says. In an earlier interview with the AP, he described Dzhokar as "a true angel." Media outlets have been tracking down former friends and acquaintances of the brothers, and one of them echoed that description to CNN, calling Dzhokhar "a walking angel" who "smokes a little weed," Vanity Fair reports. He may be a student at UMass Dartmouth, Business Insider adds. Click for more on the brothers.
I wouldn't get too pissed, pootiepoot is gonna shove a broomstick up his ass.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 10:02:26 AM
You have a bright future ahead of you
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.
Quote
CNN said when the brothers stole the vehicle, they told the driver they were the Boston Marathon bombers. The driver was released.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/04/19/Alert-issued-for-car-in-Boston-Marathon-manhunt/UPI-65251366351810/#ixzz2QvDjgAab (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/04/19/Alert-issued-for-car-in-Boston-Marathon-manhunt/UPI-65251366351810/#ixzz2QvDjgAab)
I've got a Police Boner. Pizza ordered.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 10:06:45 AM
I've got a Police Boner. Pizza ordered.
:lol: You old people and your early lunchtime.
Christ. He looks like he's only a kid, too.
QuoteThe Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer, who was shot and killed late Thursday night during a confrontation with the two Boston Marathon bombing suspects, has been identified as Sean Collier, 26.
Collier was responding to a report of a disturbance when he was shot multiple times, according to officials. He was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.novinite.com%2Fmedia%2Fimages%2F2013-04%2Fphoto_big_149711.jpg&hash=0b4c9dc5f8f4fb1c2e7d3fba27e87670a5c3935e)
The Boston police are holding an old man at gunpoint. He reportedly has his finger on a detonator.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 19, 2013, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 09:51:11 AM
I'm surprised Southies haven't lynched a dark skinned person yet.
Man that would be unjust considering these dudes are literally Caucasians.
Not that there is a just reason to lynch random dark skinned person.
Southies are morons.
And thus unlikely to make it across the Charles when public transportation is down. :P
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/18/mit-police-officer-hit-gunfire-cambridge-police-dispatcher-says/4UeCClOVeLr8PHLvDa99zK/story.html
Can't trust those Darthmouth students. <_<
FYI, UMass-Dartmouth and Dartmouth are two different schools. Dartmouth is an elite Ivy League school in New Hampshire; UMass-Dartmouth is a state school in Massachusetts.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 10:04:31 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 10:02:26 AM
Fucking sombitch
http://www.newser.com/story/166524/boston-suspects-dad-if-he-dies-expect-hell.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united
Quote(Newser) – The father of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev didn't have reassuring words when he spoke to ABC News from his Russian home today. "If they killed him, then all hell would break loose," he warned, though he didn't give any details on what he meant. Anzor Tsarnaev says his sons are innocent, but urged Dzhokhar to surrender. "Give up. Give up. You have a bright future ahead of you. Come home to Russia." Dzhokhar's brother Tamerlan reportedly died in an overnight gunfight with police.
Anzor says he was worried about his sons when he heard about the bombing Monday, and spoke to them by phone. They told him, "Everything is good, Daddy. Everything is very good," he says. In an earlier interview with the AP, he described Dzhokar as "a true angel." Media outlets have been tracking down former friends and acquaintances of the brothers, and one of them echoed that description to CNN, calling Dzhokhar "a walking angel" who "smokes a little weed," Vanity Fair reports. He may be a student at UMass Dartmouth, Business Insider adds. Click for more on the brothers.
I wouldn't get too pissed, pootiepoot is gonna shove a broomstick up his ass.
Yes, perhaps Putin & Co. would care for a joint venture.
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I would normally take this at face value...but
But what?
But I view it with suspicion.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 11:02:24 AM
I would normally take this at face value...but
Dude, there are a LOT of Syrians who hate their situation. They may not think the US shoots rainbows out of its ass but they most certainly are not our enemies either. Quite the opposite.
That group seems to have a sign for everything.
I like that Strix thinks DG and Raz are Berkut's minions. With friends like these...
Apparently these guys have been here a while and are actually citizens.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Suspects-JFK-NYC-Travel-International-203787721.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand
Quote from: Habbaku on April 19, 2013, 11:22:04 AM
I like that Strix thinks DG and Raz are Berkut's minions. With friends like these...
:yeahright: Jealous much?
QuoteMajor news items from the press conference: 1. There will be a controlled explosion at a building on Norfolk Street in Cambridge that police obviously worry could be booby-trapped. 2. Police are searching an area of Watertown door-by-door.
Hee, when I was dating Princesca she lived about two blocks from Norfolk St on Broadway. There was a whore house right across the street from her place. Good times. :cool:
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 19, 2013, 11:33:24 AM
Apparently these guys have been here a while and are actually citizens.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Boston-Marathon-Bombing-Suspects-JFK-NYC-Travel-International-203787721.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand
Woah, there was a shootout? :o Why wasn't I informed?
Liberal Party leader Justin Trudeau on the Boston bombing:
QuotePETER MANSBRIDGE:
Let me try to ask this as fairly as I can, because it's only a couple of hours after something has happened that clearly was not an accident, in Boston. People have died, many people are injured. You're the Canadian prime minister, what do you do?
JUSTIN TRUDEAU (LEADER OF THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA):
First thing, you offer support and sympathy and condolences and, you know, can we send down, you know, EMTs or, I mean, as we contributed after 9/11? I mean, is there any material immediate support we have we can offer?
And then at the same time, you know, over the coming days, we have to look at the root causes. Now we don't know now whether it was, you know, terrorism or a single crazy or, you know, a domestic issue or a foreign issue, I mean, all of those questions. But there is no question that this happened because there is someone who feels completely excluded, completely at war with innocents, at war with a society.
And our approach has to be, okay, where do those tensions come from? I mean, yes, we need to make sure that we're promoting security and we're, you know, keeping our borders safe and, you know, monitoring the kinds of, you know, violent subgroups that happen around. But we also have to monitor and encourage people to not point fingers at each other and lay blame for personal ills or societal ills on a specific group, whether it be the West or the government or Bostonians or whatever it is, because it's that idea of dividing humans against ourselves, of pointing out that they're not like us and, you know, in order to achieve our political goals we can kill innocents here.
That's something that no society in the world that is healthy, regardless of ideology, will accept.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/19/justin-trudeau-comments-on-the-boston-bombing.html
Sounds like entire Boston is shut down due to the manhunt. Surreal.
Quote from: derspiess on April 19, 2013, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 10:06:45 AM
I've got a Police Boner. Pizza ordered.
:lol: You old people and your early lunchtime.
You'll be old too. Time is creeping up on you.
So Ed, will you be ordering a Super Bird from Denny's for your 4pm dinner? :bowler:
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 12:07:11 PM
So Ed, will you be ordering a Super Bird from Denny's for your 4pm dinner? :bowler:
Dear god, no.
But yes, I eat between 4 and 5. :)
Before the kids or do they eat at that time too?
You'll regret this when they are 10.
Between 4 & 5?
Jesus Gramps.
Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2013, 12:14:23 PM
Between 4 & 5?
Jesus Gramps.
Gives him time for a nap prior to Murder She Wrote comes on. :D
Actually, I went to a Denny's a few months ago and it was surprisingly good... they seemed to have overhauled their food quality or something.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 12:15:39 PM
Gives him time for a nap prior to Murder She Wrote comes on. :D
MATLOCK!
Quote from: DGuller on April 19, 2013, 12:02:29 PM
Sounds like entire Boston is shut down due to the manhunt. Surreal.
Hopeful they can take him alive.
Fuck you all. My penis works and I get threesomes. Kiss my ass.
And I drink Boost and Ensure drinks too.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 12:16:15 PM
Actually, I went to a Denny's a few months ago and it was surprisingly good... they seemed to have overhauled their food quality or something.
If you are in dayton, don't eat at the one near Miami Valley Hospital. Trust me.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 12:15:39 PM
Gives him time for a nap prior to Murder She Wrote comes on. :D
MATLOCK!
i figured it is that early so his evening poop doesn't interfere with 9pm bed time.
Of course also explains his "insomnia" since old people need less sleep he's always up by 3am.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 10:02:26 AM
Fucking sombitch
http://www.newser.com/story/166524/boston-suspects-dad-if-he-dies-expect-hell.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united
QuoteMedia outlets have been tracking down former friends and acquaintances of the brothers, and one of them echoed that description to CNN, calling Dzhokhar "a walking angel" who "smokes a little weed," Vanity Fair reports.
Ah, it was drug violence. ;)
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 12:16:15 PM
Actually, I went to a Denny's a few months ago and it was surprisingly good... they seemed to have overhauled their food quality or something.
Generally agree, but they can be hit or miss. I'm fond of the Ultimate Omelet. :yes:
I poop around 7-8 pm.
AND HOW DID THIS BECOME ABOUT ME?
Man, retirement does not befit you.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 12:20:23 PM
I poop around 7-8 pm.
AND HOW DID THIS BECOME ABOUT ME?
you may be the best hijacker, but you aren't the only one!
:lol:
I saw a thing earlier that the dude who got both his legs blown off and was the subject of one of the most widely circulated photos (covered in soot, being carried by the dude in the cowboy hat) helped identify the suspects, since he recalled seeing one of them drop his backpack and they made direct eye contact.
I also saw a photo circulating on Facebook where you can see both the young bomber (guy who is still on the loose) and the little kid his bomb killed standing pretty much right in front of him. :(
Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2013, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 12:20:23 PM
I poop around 7-8 pm.
AND HOW DID THIS BECOME ABOUT ME?
you may be the best hijacker, but you aren't the only one!
There will be paybacks.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 12:20:06 PM
Generally agree, but they can be hit or miss. I'm fond of the Ultimate Omelet. :yes:
I bet Ed is a Moon Over My Hammy fan. :cool:
:ph34r:
Sausage scramble or go home!
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 12:27:45 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 12:20:06 PM
Generally agree, but they can be hit or miss. I'm fond of the Ultimate Omelet. :yes:
I bet Ed is a Moon Over My Hammy fan. :cool:
Gross.
I'd rather have Tudor's.
My nigga. :hug:
If I eat out for breakfast, I prefer either Tudor's or Cracker Barrel.
Or stay home and eat the breakfast of the 1%, Toaster Studel.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 12:36:35 PM
Cracker Barrel.
They have these multigrain pancakes with cranberries and pecans there now they serve with honey. They are THE SHIZNIT.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 12:36:35 PM
Or stay home and eat the breakfast of the 1%, Toaster Studel.
Seedy just stopped in the middle of shampooing a cat, looked up, and screamed.
I'm glad to live in a country where I can freely buy hot Apfelstrudel in many places without resorting to prefab gunk. :)
Quote from: PDH on April 19, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 12:36:35 PM
Or stay home and eat the breakfast of the 1%, Toaster Studel.
Seedy just stopped in the middle of shampooing a cat, looked up, and screamed.
:lol:
Quote from: PDH on April 19, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 12:36:35 PM
Or stay home and eat the breakfast of the 1%, Toaster Studel.
Seedy just stopped in the middle of shampooing a cat, looked up, and screamed.
No shit. I felt a disturbance in the 47%.
And Denny's? Fuck that shit. If there's no CrackaBarrel around, gimme an IHOP. or Der Waffen Haus.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 12:17:06 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 19, 2013, 12:02:29 PM
Sounds like entire Boston is shut down due to the manhunt. Surreal.
Hopeful they can take him alive.
The dude drove over his dead brother's IED-boobytrapped body to crash a cop car barricade to get away. He's not going to be taken alive.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 12:20:23 PM
I poop around 7-8 pm.
AND HOW DID THIS BECOME ABOUT ME?
:showoff:
What's the over/under on the kid already being dead?
The Blues Brothers: Chechen Edition still ongoing?
That could very well be the case. But I doubt it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 01:42:04 PM
That could very well be the case. But I doubt it.
Me, too. I kind of feel like he would have died with his brother if he was suicidal.
And you don't know if he was hit or not in the shootout. Could be doing a Tim Roth in an empty warehouse somewhere with a gut shot.
The brother's corpse was pretty wrecked. There is a photo floating out there. One of the wounds is a strange slash up his left ribcage that sort of peeled off a thick chunk of skin and meat exposing the cavity. Maybe a grazing hit from a very high-powered rifle could make that wound, but it looks a bit baffling.
I can't believe he got away. Sounded like he was surrounded.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 19, 2013, 01:49:20 PM
The brother's corpse was pretty wrecked. There is a photo floating out there. One of the wounds is a strange slash up his left ribcage that sort of peeled off a thick chunk of skin and meat exposing the cavity. Maybe a grazing hit from a very high-powered rifle could make that wound, but it looks a bit baffling.
He had an IED strapped to his chest. Couldn't that have done it?
EDIT: Not to mention his brother running over him to get out of the area...
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Sounds almost impossible that these could be the people who did this - is it ever the case that the perp is THAT normal and seemingly adjusted to everyone prior to something like this?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: PDH on April 19, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 12:36:35 PM
Or stay home and eat the breakfast of the 1%, Toaster Studel.
Seedy just stopped in the middle of shampooing a cat, looked up, and screamed.
No shit. I felt a disturbance in the 47%.
And Denny's? Fuck that shit. If there's no CrackaBarrel around, gimme an IHOP. or Der Waffen Haus.
I miss them. :(
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 12:17:06 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 19, 2013, 12:02:29 PM
Sounds like entire Boston is shut down due to the manhunt. Surreal.
Hopeful they can take him alive.
I'm not sure I want that. I think we're piecing together his background and will have a good idea of his motivation. Just give him the bin Laden treatment & get it over with.
Quote from: merithyn on April 19, 2013, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 19, 2013, 01:49:20 PM
The brother's corpse was pretty wrecked. There is a photo floating out there. One of the wounds is a strange slash up his left ribcage that sort of peeled off a thick chunk of skin and meat exposing the cavity. Maybe a grazing hit from a very high-powered rifle could make that wound, but it looks a bit baffling.
He had an IED strapped to his chest. Couldn't that have done it?
EDIT: Not to mention his brother running over him to get out of the area...
I don't think it went off, and I would imagine it would make a less distinct mush. I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't look like anything more than a skin and maybe some muscle is gone. It could just be from being shot by a rifle. It could even be from a surgery, if the doctors actually tried to do anything other than confirm the death.
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Sounds almost impossible that these could be the people who did this - is it ever the case that the perp is THAT normal and seemingly adjusted to everyone prior to something like this?
iirc some if not many of the people that took part in the 9/11 attack were also seemingly well adusted.
Quote from: derspiess on April 19, 2013, 01:50:22 PM
I can't believe he got away. Sounded like he was surrounded.
Yeah, guy's got like six wanted stars on the GTA scale.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 19, 2013, 02:02:50 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 19, 2013, 01:50:22 PM
I can't believe he got away. Sounded like he was surrounded.
Yeah, guy's got like six wanted stars on the GTA scale.
Then I guess we need to send in the tanks.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 19, 2013, 02:02:50 PM
Yeah, guy's got like six wanted stars on the GTA scale.
Can't be. National Guard hasn't sent in tanks yet.
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Sounds almost impossible that these could be the people who did this - is it ever the case that the perp is THAT normal and seemingly adjusted to everyone prior to something like this?
The older brother seemed to be treading water.
The younger - CRLS is a very good public school - lots of prof kids go there. He got a scholarship, was attending a decent university, no odd incidents, plenty of friends.
If I had to guess I would stick with my suspicion that older brother (who was acting in loco parentis here) led younger brother down the wrong path.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 19, 2013, 02:05:01 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Sounds almost impossible that these could be the people who did this - is it ever the case that the perp is THAT normal and seemingly adjusted to everyone prior to something like this?
The older brother seemed to be treading water.
The younger - CRLS is a very good public school - lots of prof kids go there. He got a scholarship, was attending a decent university, no odd incidents, plenty of friends.
If I had to guess I would stick with my suspicion that older brother (who was acting in loco parentis here) led younger brother down the wrong path.
Sounds like a good call.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 19, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Sounds almost impossible that these could be the people who did this - is it ever the case that the perp is THAT normal and seemingly adjusted to everyone prior to something like this?
iirc some if not many of the people that took part in the 9/11 attack were also seemingly well adusted.
Yeah, but once we learned a little about them, it was obvious they were professional terrorists endeavoring to seem perfectly normal. These two don't seem like pros who were faking being normal people.
Quote from: derspiess on April 19, 2013, 01:53:42 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 12:17:06 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 19, 2013, 12:02:29 PM
Sounds like entire Boston is shut down due to the manhunt. Surreal.
Hopeful they can take him alive.
I'm not sure I want that. I think we're piecing together his background and will have a good idea of his motivation. Just give him the bin Laden treatment & get it over with.
You want to let him hide in Pakistan compound for a decade!
I'm starting to think he must have slipped the initial closing of the noose around Watertown and possibly slipped out of Boston in another stolen car.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 19, 2013, 01:49:20 PM
The brother's corpse was pretty wrecked. There is a photo floating out there. One of the wounds is a strange slash up his left ribcage that sort of peeled off a thick chunk of skin and meat exposing the cavity. Maybe a grazing hit from a very high-powered rifle could make that wound, but it looks a bit baffling.
Well, the doc at Beth Israel said there was indications of an explosives wound.
Doesn't mean it was the IED he was wearing; could've been one of those shot-just-as-he-pulled-the-pin-on-the-grenade-and-was-about-to-toss-it-and-oops injuries.
Somebody link that shit for me, please. I have to Terry Shiavo that shit myself from here.
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 19, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Sounds almost impossible that these could be the people who did this - is it ever the case that the perp is THAT normal and seemingly adjusted to everyone prior to something like this?
iirc some if not many of the people that took part in the 9/11 attack were also seemingly well adusted.
Yeah, but once we learned a little about them, it was obvious they were professional terrorists endeavoring to seem perfectly normal. These two don't seem like pros who were faking being normal people.
Yes and no. They all started out as normal people nobody would ever suspect as being capabable of such horrific acts. Then they became radicalized.
As JR pointed out that is probably the pattern here with the older brother being the influence on the younger.
fyi here is a helpful article about the 9/11 hijackers.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/28/AR2005042801315.html
QuoteThey were not born to be soldiers -- none seems to have come from a military background -- and there was little in their early lives to suggest that they would become what they did. The pilot of the first plane to hit the World Trade Center, Atta, came from "an ambitious, not overtly religious middle-class household in Egypt" and had led "a sheltered life" until he arrived in Hamburg, Germany, in 1992 to do graduate study in architecture. The pilot of the second plane, Marwan al-Shehhi, was an amiable, "laid-back" fellow from the United Arab Emirates who had joined the UAE army, "not the world's most effective fighting force but one of its most generous, paying [its scholarship] students monthly stipends of about $2,000," which may have been his primary reason for enlisting; this enabled him to go to Hamburg, though there is little evidence that he "had any serious scholarly ambitions."
Hani Hanjour, the Saudi pilot who flew American Airlines flight 77 into the Pentagon, "had lived in the United States off and on throughout the 1990s, mostly in Arizona, intermittently taking flying lessons at several different flying schools." He was, in the view of one of his flight instructors, "intelligent, friendly, and 'very courteous, very formal,' a nice enough fellow but a terrible pilot." He finally got a commercial license from the FAA but was unable to find work here or in the Middle East. As for Ziad Jarrah, the pilot of the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, he was "the handsome middle child and only son of an industrious, middle-class family in Beirut," a "secular Muslim" family that "was easygoing -- the men drank whiskey and the women wore short skirts about town and bikinis at the beach."
I bet the advertising execs at Mercedes are giddy right now. What better way to advertise the toughness of their SUVs than having a guy crash through the police cordon with it and get away?
IHOP is way better than Denny's or Cracker Barrel. I don't know about Waffle House, I have very fond memories of eating there but they all involved me being three sheets to the wind. I'm not actually aware of what it tastes like sober.
And when you say Tudor's are you guys talking about that place I only see in WV/KY when I'm driving down I-64 that specializes in biscuit sandwiches where the biscuit tastes like it's cooked with 4 lbs of butter? I'm pretty sure that place is so horrifically unhealthy it should have been shut down by DHHS years ago.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 02:12:35 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 19, 2013, 01:49:20 PM
The brother's corpse was pretty wrecked. There is a photo floating out there. One of the wounds is a strange slash up his left ribcage that sort of peeled off a thick chunk of skin and meat exposing the cavity. Maybe a grazing hit from a very high-powered rifle could make that wound, but it looks a bit baffling.
Well, the doc at Beth Israel said there was indications of an explosives wound.
Doesn't mean it was the IED he was wearing; could've been one of those shot-just-as-he-pulled-the-pin-on-the-grenade-and-was-about-to-toss-it-and-oops injuries.
Somebody link that shit for me, please. I have to Terry Shiavo that shit myself from here.
https://twitter.com/ReformedBroker/status/325300950686367745/photo/1
Graphic warning: redundant
QuoteKadyrov said any blame lay at the feet of the United States. "It's all America's fault because these kids were brought up in America, not Chechnya," he said, according to Kommersant newspaper.
Stay classy, Ramzan.
The nuke from orbit option is looking ever more tempting.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 19, 2013, 02:17:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ReformedBroker/status/325300950686367745/photo/1
Graphic warning: redundant
Looks like he had a bad day, even by Chechen standards.
IHOP does make a monster ass omelette.
Unless it's .50BMG that hit him at an angle I don't think that's a bullet wound. Do see some other, smaller, entry wounds though.
Should I merge this with the bombing thread, since they have complete overlap now?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 19, 2013, 02:21:51 PM
QuoteKadyrov said any blame lay at the feet of the United States. "It's all America's fault because these kids were brought up in America, not Chechnya," he said, according to Kommersant newspaper.
Stay classy, Ramzan.
The nuke from orbit option is looking ever more tempting.
It's not exactly out of character for him.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 19, 2013, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 19, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Sounds almost impossible that these could be the people who did this - is it ever the case that the perp is THAT normal and seemingly adjusted to everyone prior to something like this?
iirc some if not many of the people that took part in the 9/11 attack were also seemingly well adusted.
Yeah, but once we learned a little about them, it was obvious they were professional terrorists endeavoring to seem perfectly normal. These two don't seem like pros who were faking being normal people.
Yes and no. They all started out as normal people nobody would ever suspect as being capabable of such horrific acts. Then they became radicalized.
Right, no argument - but they DID become radicalized.
I don't see anything so far in what we've seen about these two (and of course infomration at this point is incomplete) that suggests they went off somewhere and got radicalized.
Contrast, for example, the Columbine kids. They were not "radicalized", but when you look at their history, you can see (at least in hindsight) that they were a mess.
The Sandy Hook nutjon, when you look back at him, you think "Yeah, that dude was fucking nuts".
You look back at these two, and...nothing so far. Nothing there that indicates they would be people capable or interested in doing something like this.
They don't seem like fundy islamists, and they don't seem like marginalized nutjobs.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 19, 2013, 02:26:36 PM
Should I merge this with the bombing thread, since they have complete overlap now?
This thread is about breakfast foods.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 19, 2013, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 19, 2013, 02:26:36 PM
Should I merge this with the bombing thread, since they have complete overlap now?
This thread is about breakfast foods.
And old geezer Ed Angerbutt
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 19, 2013, 02:17:42 PM
Graphic warning: redundant
My first guess would be that's no wound, that's where they popped his chest to resuscitate him since he came in already in cardiac arrest--after all, it's covered with Betadine. It's a standard trauma procedure, even if they know the patient's 10-7.
But from what I remember, they don't usually crack the chest there; it's farther up the chest, so they can hand massage the heart by almost pulling it out up by the armpit.
Then again, I haven't been in a trauma center for a loooong time, so who knows what they do now.
Good job, Chechens. Way to garner international support for your cause.
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 02:29:09 PM
They don't seem like fundy islamists, and they don't seem like marginalized nutjobs.
That is a real problem isnt it. People within the US/North America becoming radicalized and not having to go overseas for that to happen.
I haven't had to go anywhere to become radicalized.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 02:39:26 PM
I haven't had to go anywhere to become radicalized.
You are a whole different catagorie.
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 02:29:09 PM
They don't seem like fundy islamists, and they don't seem like marginalized nutjobs.
Yet. Who knows what will be found.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 19, 2013, 02:26:36 PM
Should I merge this with the bombing thread, since they have complete overlap now?
Yes, please. :)
Quote from: Martinus on April 19, 2013, 02:35:29 PM
Good job, Chechens. Way to garner international support for your cause.
It's not like they had a whole lot of that even before this. Repeated acts of extreme violence against innocent civilians and all that. :hmm:
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 19, 2013, 02:26:36 PM
Should I merge this with the bombing thread, since they have complete overlap now?
Yeah, I think so.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 19, 2013, 02:17:42 PM
Graphic warning: redundant
My first guess would be that's no wound, that's where they popped his chest to resuscitate him since he came in already in cardiac arrest--after all, it's covered with Betadine. It's a standard trauma procedure, even if they know the patient's 10-7.
But from what I remember, they don't usually crack the chest there; it's farther up the chest, so they can hand massage the heart by almost pulling it out up by the armpit.
Then again, I haven't been in a trauma center for a loooong time, so who knows what they do now.
Interesting, thanks. I was unaware they'd bother with anything like that in this case.
The father said some stuff, but the uncle down here in Maryland is talking. Not a big fan.
QuoteAn uncle of the two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing delivered an emotional interview in front of his Montgomery Village home on Friday, calling his nephews "losers" while imploring one who fled an early morning police standoff that left the other dead to turn himself in.
As the nation sought to learn anything it could about the men who allegedly carried out the deadly attack this week, the uncle Ruslan Tsarni said he first learned that his nephews were suspects when he saw their picture on AOL Friday morning. The young men have been identified by police as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26.
Speaking over the loud chopping sounds of helicopters hovering over his home, Tsarni offered condolences to the three people killed in Monday's attack that also left more than 100 injured.
"I've been following [the story] from day one but never ever imagined that somehow the children of my brother would be associated with that," Tsarni said. "It is an atrocity. We are devastated. We're shocked. We've not been in touch with that family for a number of years. They never lived here. I never knew, and even if I would have guessed something, I would have submitted them myself."
Tsarni said that for personal reasons he has not seen his nephews since December 2005. He said he didn't believe they had any ties to terrorist or extremist groups but spoke in disparaging terms about them.
Asked what he believed provoked the two men accused in the attack, Tsarni said: "Being losers, hatred to those who were able to settle themselves, these are the only reasons I can imagine. Anything else, anything else to do with religion is a fraud. It's a fake. We're Muslims. We're ethnic Chechyans."
Asked if he believed the suspects had training, Tsarni said: "If that happened, most likely. Somebody radicalized them. But it's not my brother, who spent his life bringing bread to their table, fixing cars. He's been working."
Tsarni said he hasn't spoken to his brother since 2009.
"My family has nothing to do with that family," he said. "Of course we're ashamed. Yes, we're ashamed. These are children of my brother, who has little influence over them. Honestly, as much as I know, had little influence of them."
Asked why he hasn't had any contact with the family, Tsarni said: "It's personal. I just wanted my family to be away from them."
Tsarni said one of the suspects was born in Kyrgyzstan and that his brother's family moved to the Boston area in 2003, receiving asylum in the United States. He said the suspects "put a shame" on his family and "the entire ethnicity."
"If you're alive, turn yourself in and ask for forgiveness," said Tsarni, surrounded by reporters and TV cameras, to Dzhokhar.
Alvi Tsarni, another uncle, who lives about a mile from Ruslan Tsarni, said he had not talked to the suspects' families for several years because of problems in the family that began with a disagreement over the phone between the wives of his brothers.
"Yesterday he called me and said forgive me," Alvi Tsarni said of Tamerlan during a televised interview.
Hours after that call, the Tamerlan was dead.
As Alvi Tsarni returned to his house later in the afternoon, he retrieved his mail while listening to radio coverage of the manhunt and spoke to reporters again. He said he knew nothing more than what's been made public and is "very sorry all of the people died."
Alvi Tsarni added that he did not know what could have motivated the suspects. He expects Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to be killed by authorities, as his brother was.
Neighbors described Alvi Tsarni as a kind, friendly man who moved into a Montgomery Village townhome community about five years ago. They said he appeared to live alone, run a car repair service and do handyman work.
"He was friendly, and really kept to himself," said next door neighbor Nicole Cashaw, 30. "He was very straight and narrow. He did a lot of work for people around the neighborhood."
Cashaw and other neighbors said they were stunned to learn their little lane of town homes had a connection to the Boston Marathon bombing.
"I'm sure he's shocked too. I feel bad for him, neighbor Nadia Evans, 30, said. "It's unbelievable that something that happened so far away could be connected to us."
Evans' boyfriend John Fletcher said Tsarni gave him an expensive leather coat for Christmas last year when it no longer fit Tsarni properly.
"It's a small world," Fletcher said. "We are all one community is what it brings home for you."
Quote from: Martinus on April 19, 2013, 02:35:29 PM
Good job, Chechens. Way to garner international support for your cause.
Beslan took care of that.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 19, 2013, 02:53:40 PM
Interesting, thanks. I was unaware they'd bother with anything like that in this case.
It's simply procedural. A lot of cases, they do it so the residents have some practice with it, even if it's already a done deal.
That's how relatives should respond. :thumbsup:
Quote"Being losers, hatred to those who were able to settle themselves
:pinch:
QuoteTsarni said one of the suspects was born in Kyrgyzstan and that his brother's family moved to the Boston area in 2003, receiving asylum in the United States. He said the suspects "put a shame" on his family and "the entire ethnicity."
Not to mention, bringing shame to the good name of Tamerlane. :hmm:
I'm disappointed the Uncle didn't conclude by saying "What a country! yuk yuk yuk" :(
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 19, 2013, 02:38:41 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 02:29:09 PM
They don't seem like fundy islamists, and they don't seem like marginalized nutjobs.
That is a real problem isnt it. People within the US/North America becoming radicalized and not having to go overseas for that to happen.
The problem is that, on the information so far, we have no idea in what way they were radicalized. Did they kill out of identity with Islamic nutjobs, or social alienation, or are they just psychopaths, or what? We have no real clue.
Quote from: Malthus on April 19, 2013, 03:07:50 PM
The problem is that, on the information so far, we have no idea in what way they were radicalized. Did they kill out of identity with Islamic nutjobs, or social alienation, or are they just psychopaths, or what? We have no real clue.
Yup, could be anything right now. Hell, could be student loans.
Quote from: Barrister on April 19, 2013, 12:00:35 PM
Liberal Party leader Justin Trudeau on the Boston bombing:
<snip>
Not ready for prime time.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2013, 03:10:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 19, 2013, 12:00:35 PM
Liberal Party leader Justin Trudeau on the Boston bombing:
<snip>
Not ready for prime time.
In so many ways.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 03:09:54 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 19, 2013, 03:07:50 PM
The problem is that, on the information so far, we have no idea in what way they were radicalized. Did they kill out of identity with Islamic nutjobs, or social alienation, or are they just psychopaths, or what? We have no real clue.
Yup, could be anything right now. Hell, could be student loans.
Aha, the "Ide option". :hmm:
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 03:01:06 PM
Quote"Being losers, hatred to those who were able to settle themselves
:pinch:
Pretty stand-up dude.
Quote from: Barrister on April 19, 2013, 12:00:35 PM
Liberal Party leader Justin Trudeau on the Boston bombing:
QuotePETER MANSBRIDGE:
Let me try to ask this as fairly as I can, because it's only a couple of hours after something has happened that clearly was not an accident, in Boston. People have died, many people are injured. You're the Canadian prime minister, what do you do?
JUSTIN TRUDEAU (LEADER OF THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA):
First thing, you offer support and sympathy and condolences and, you know, can we send down, you know, EMTs or, I mean, as we contributed after 9/11? I mean, is there any material immediate support we have we can offer?
And then at the same time, you know, over the coming days, we have to look at the root causes. Now we don't know now whether it was, you know, terrorism or a single crazy or, you know, a domestic issue or a foreign issue, I mean, all of those questions. But there is no question that this happened because there is someone who feels completely excluded, completely at war with innocents, at war with a society.
And our approach has to be, okay, where do those tensions come from? I mean, yes, we need to make sure that we're promoting security and we're, you know, keeping our borders safe and, you know, monitoring the kinds of, you know, violent subgroups that happen around. But we also have to monitor and encourage people to not point fingers at each other and lay blame for personal ills or societal ills on a specific group, whether it be the West or the government or Bostonians or whatever it is, because it's that idea of dividing humans against ourselves, of pointing out that they're not like us and, you know, in order to achieve our political goals we can kill innocents here.
That's something that no society in the world that is healthy, regardless of ideology, will accept.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/19/justin-trudeau-comments-on-the-boston-bombing.html
:weep:
Well, that was certainly sweet of him to say.
Otto, how the hell could you lump Cracker Barrel & Denny's together?
Of course, I've gotta dissent since CB is the only one of that group that (at least to me) isn't like ingesting straight castor oil. :hmm:
No experience with Belgian Hut.
QuoteAn aunt of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects said Friday the older brother recently became a devout Muslim who prayed five times a day, and she doesn't believe the brothers could have been involved in Monday's attack.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev had married and had a 3-year-old daughter in the U.S., Maret Tsarnaeva told reporters in Toronto.
"He has a wife in Boston and from a Christian family, so you can't tie it to religion," she said. "At that age all they want is love, so he found his love, he married, he had a daughter, and he was very happy about his daughter."
But she said the 26-year-old Tamerlan "seemingly did not find himself yet in America, because it's not easy."
Quote from: merithyn on April 19, 2013, 03:35:54 PM
QuoteBut she said the 26-year-old Tamerlan "seemingly did not find himself yet in America, because it's not easy."
:hmm:
Quote from: merithyn on April 19, 2013, 03:35:54 PM
Quote"He has a wife in Boston and from a Christian family, so you can't tie it to religion," she said.
His Christian wife didn't blow anybody up.
She converted.
Boy, you can tell which cops want to look good for TV and which ones just don't give a shit :lol:
And thank God for XXL size tactical uniforms & gear.
Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2013, 02:33:29 PM
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Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 19, 2013, 02:26:36 PM
Should I merge this with the bombing thread, since they have complete overlap now?
This thread is about breakfast foods.
And old geezer Ed Angerbutt
mart can only dream of my attention whoring powers.
Quote from: Malthus on April 19, 2013, 03:03:37 PM
QuoteTsarni said one of the suspects was born in Kyrgyzstan and that his brother's family moved to the Boston area in 2003, receiving asylum in the United States. He said the suspects "put a shame" on his family and "the entire ethnicity."
Not to mention, bringing shame to the good name of Tamerlane. :hmm:
:lol:
Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
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Quote from: Berkut on April 19, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/massachusetts-bombers-profiles/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Sounds almost impossible that these could be the people who did this - is it ever the case that the perp is THAT normal and seemingly adjusted to everyone prior to something like this?
iirc some if not many of the people that took part in the 9/11 attack were also seemingly well adusted.
Yeah, but once we learned a little about them, it was obvious they were professional terrorists endeavoring to seem perfectly normal. These two don't seem like pros who were faking being normal people.
Leader of the Atocha bombings cell was well apparently well adjusted until he went back home for a visit and was rejected as westernized.
Quote from: derspiess on April 19, 2013, 04:11:10 PM
Boy, you can tell which cops want to look good for TV and which ones just don't give a shit :lol:
And thank God for XXL size tactical uniforms & gear.
I think cops have a lot of the same problems shift workers have and it's compounded by the need for many of them to also be mobile throughout the day. They are out of sync with a lot of society and that leads to eating habits geared towards fast food and fast service diners and etc. That leads to fat.
Dunkin Donuts :showoff:
AMERICA RUNS ON DUNKIN :mad:
Dunkin Donuts will sell a dozen donuts for like $2 late at night, right before they toss them.
Good to know if you're busted flat, like I was in grad school.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2013, 04:33:54 PM
Dunkin Donuts will sell a dozen donuts for like $2 late at night, right before they toss them.
Good to know if you're busted flat, like I was in grad school.
Heh Caliga would have saved himself the $2, and ate 'em right out of the dumpster. :P
This story has begun to bore me. Kill the 19 year old, drone the aunt in Canada and string the father up.
The situation is getting very strange. They simply just can't leave Boston on lockdown indefinitely. :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 04:55:57 PM
The situation is getting very strange. They simply just can't leave Boston on lockdown indefinitely. :hmm:
How much does a lost workday cost a city of that size?
A lot. :weep:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 19, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
I think cops have a lot of the same problems shift workers have and it's compounded by the need for many of them to also be mobile throughout the day. They are out of sync with a lot of society and that leads to eating habits geared towards fast food and fast service diners and etc. That leads to fat.
I couldn't digest a meal without a steering wheel in my face for 3 years.
Quote from: derspiess on April 19, 2013, 04:11:10 PM
Boy, you can tell which cops want to look good for TV and which ones just don't give a shit :lol:
And thank God for XXL size tactical uniforms & gear.
It's shift work while everything you buy is covered in shit like sugar/HFCS, grains and soybean/canola oil.
Give these guys a 3 pound grass-fed steak drenched in real butter with olive oil salad and a strong coffee afterwards and watch the pounds melt off.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 04:58:46 PM
A lot. :weep:
I'd not be surprised that if two Chechens on a roadtrip can shut down Boston other Islamoids might get similar ideas.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 04:54:27 PM
This story has begun to bore me. Kill the 19 year old, drone the aunt in Canada and string the father up.
Give the Uncle a talk show :secret:
Barrage of gunfire in Watertown. Hopefully they won't let the kid get away this time.
Quote from: Kleves on April 19, 2013, 06:27:57 PM
Barrage of gunfire in Watertown. Hopefully they won't let the kid get away this time.
The End ?
They have someone on a boat, surrounded.
Very, very sharp of the boat owner to notice that the ladder for the boat wasn't down the last time he looked, and called the cops accordingly.
Link (http://m.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam) to stream from the Boston police band if anyone wants to listen.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 19, 2013, 06:44:36 PM
Link (http://m.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam) to stream from the Boston police band if anyone wants to listen.
Don't american police have secure encoded communications?
Lot a hardware and trouble for a shithead teenager probably down to a handgun or rifle at this point.
Yeah they got the kid cornered.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 06:42:23 PM
Very, very sharp of the boat owner to notice that the ladder for the boat wasn't down the last time he looked, and called the cops accordingly.
What's the betting this boat goes up in flames, he probably setting off an explosive in his last minutes ?
Thought the concern is explosives since big Bro was packing.
Gunshots reported now.
Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2013, 06:51:11 PM
Thought the concern is explosives since big Bro was packing.
Definitely why they're so cautious I would imagine, someone who shoots a few people would never get a response like this. But I suspect their bomb supply was used up in their initial exchange with the police in which the older brother died. But you still have the fear of a suicide vest.
Starve him out or let him off himself.
It's a boat right? Get a fire engine with cover to fill it with water.
Flashbang, no movement seen according to the radio band.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 19, 2013, 06:54:27 PM
It's a boat right? Get a fire engine with cover to fill it with water.
As it's in someone's yard, I wouldn't be surprised if it has a large tarp over it.
Quote from: mongers on April 19, 2013, 06:56:01 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 19, 2013, 06:54:27 PM
It's a boat right? Get a fire engine with cover to fill it with water.
As it's in someone's yard, I wouldn't be surprised if it has a large tarp over it.
Fill it with fire then?
They've been flash banging the boat...and he has been laying on his back immobile for a bit now. Either stunned from those, or he was injured in the earlier reported exchange of gun fire and lost consciousness?
Passed out from lack of food. :punk:
I was thinking if he was shot in the initial exchange of gunfire, even if it's survivable, that's mostly a death sentence now. In a normal case he'd be taken to a hospital, but because of the suicide vest on his brother I imagine if he is unconscious they will treat his body like explosive ordinance which means it'll be a really long time before human beings are actually physically touching him.
I just came
LOL, he's still moving.
Goddamned, that Boston accent is a bitch on the radio.
I feel bad for the boat owner, getting to be nice weather in the next few months and his boat will probably be a Federal crime scene :(.
No shit, they won't get it back until 2018. Holes and all.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:10:50 PM
No shit, they won't get it back until 2018. Holes and all.
Big deal, assuming dude has it insured. I'd actually like it if that happened to my boat. Then I could get a new one. :)
Boat on fire
BURN MOTHERFUCKER, BURN
Lol holy shit, "we have a problem with your downlink, it's being broadcast on the internet."
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:13:14 PM
Boat on fire
It took Ed extra time to type that, since he could only do it with one hand. :perv:
Media also sounds like they're trying to access the scene. What fuckwads.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 19, 2013, 07:14:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:13:14 PM
Boat on fire
It took Ed extra time to type that, since he could only do it with one hand. :perv:
I used my toes to type. I need both hands.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F0.static.wix.com%2Fmedia%2F41511a_dcdc1aab5dff4e7ee6ee8d787d59f8af.jpg_256&hash=88b2a4a865968371666d3b716527d8dd8f3b51bb)
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:13:37 PM
BURN MOTHERFUCKER, BURN
I wonder maybe if he's trying to light a bomb to blow himself to smithereens?
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 07:21:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:13:37 PM
BURN MOTHERFUCKER, BURN
I wonder maybe if he's trying to light a bomb to blow himself to smithereens?
Or he's trying to enter Freddy's world.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 19, 2013, 07:13:41 PM
Lol holy shit, "we have a problem with your downlink, it's being broadcast on the internet."
LOL, heard that, too.
WATCH YER MIKE WATCH YER MIKE
The problem with an open mike is the guy with the open mike can't fucking hear you telling him he's got an open mike.
If this guy has a small tactical nuke, he could now take out all of the Boston police department, half of Massachusetts resources, 1/4 of all US network media and a lot of iphone users.
I am annoyed with people who are screaming for blood and hope the kid dies. Yay, we'll never know why they did it nor be able to bring at least one of them to justice! Barbarians. :(
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 07:30:25 PM
I am annoyed with people who are screaming for blood and hope the kid dies. Yay, we'll never know why they did it nor be able to bring at least one of them to justice! Barbarians. :(
HEY NOW
Christ, I've seen every possible raid jacket there except Animal Control.
I'm interested in the reports that US failure to fully back the Syrian rebels may have 'radicalised' them. :hmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Christ, I've seen every possible raid jacket there except Animal Control.
Even the Gang detectives are on scene. Bunch of tugs with badges. :lmfao:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Christ, I've seen every possible raid jacket there except Animal Control.
Hey, it's a boat, why aren't the US Coastguard involved to ?
Quote from: mongers on April 19, 2013, 07:33:39 PM
Hey, it's a boat, why aren't the US Coastguard involved to ?
Budget cuts :Embarrass:
Like those two little shits gave a damn about Syria.
Reading more about the older one "not understanding America" and all his other fundie Mooselimb shit about being pure and not taking his shirt off in front of women, he went all Talibanish.
Breaking News: Three college students in New Beffa just arrested. :huh:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:36:00 PM
Like those two little shits gave a damn about Syria.
Reading more about the older one "not understanding America" and all his other fundie Mooselimb shit about being pure and not taking his shirt off in front of women, he went all Talibanish.
No, those two things aren't mutually incompatible; fully back the Syrian rebels, topple Bashar al-Assad and you'll end up with the pan Islamic Caliphate of Syria and 'Free' Western Iraq.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Christ, I've seen every possible raid jacket there except Animal Control.
Yeah, I saw a Secret Service jacket in there...were these kids counterfeiting bills too? :rolleyes:
Quote from: mongers on April 19, 2013, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:36:00 PM
Like those two little shits gave a damn about Syria.
Reading more about the older one "not understanding America" and all his other fundie Mooselimb shit about being pure and not taking his shirt off in front of women, he went all Talibanish.
No, those two things aren't mutually incompatible; fully back the Syrian rebels, topple Bashar al-Assad and you'll end up with the pan Islamic Caliphate of Syria and 'Free' Western Iraq.
I don't think these noodleheads were really thinking that globally.
The shambolic BBC 24 News coverage is sapping me of the will to live.
They got him alive, suspect in custody.
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 19, 2013, 07:39:40 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Christ, I've seen every possible raid jacket there except Animal Control.
Yeah, I saw a Secret Service jacket in there...were these kids counterfeiting bills too? :rolleyes:
DEA was there too. Reefer in the boat.
Still an hot scene, still an hot scene!
Poor Ed. He's alive in custody.
Just an idea...Hook the boat to a truck and drive to the police station. :)
Cheering at the scene.
Obama called Pootie Poot. One article said Pootie may use this to get relations back on track.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 19, 2013, 07:42:53 PM
Still an hot scene, still an hot scene!
And yet there's still a poor sap in a cruiser checking out a black bookbag on Franklin St. The only one not at the party. :lol:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
Obama called Pootie Poot. One article said Pootie may use this to get relations back on track.
Meh, Pootie's Chechan thug-puppet already blew that one.
I was thinking earlier it'd be funny if it had turned out to be an old manikin or something under the boat the whole time.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
Obama called Pootie Poot.
Seriously? WTF for? :huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2013, 07:47:43 PM
Seriously? WTF for? :huh:
We'll exterminate the Chechens together. National bonding experience. :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 07:43:55 PM
Just an idea...Hook the boat to a truck and drive to the police station. :)
stop ripping off other people's ideas Cal :rolleyes:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:42:25 PM
They got him alive, suspect in custody.
Nicely done.... though given the number of shots fired, their aim isn't too great.
@kat I stole that from one of my former co-workers. :blush:
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 07:48:44 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2013, 07:47:43 PM
Seriously? WTF for? :huh:
We'll exterminate the Chechens together. National bonding experience. :)
I think Putin has the lead on you there, something like 1.5 (+those killed in Afghan,Iraq) vs around 100,000 to Putin.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2013, 07:47:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
Obama called Pootie Poot.
Seriously? WTF for? :huh:
Don't buy into the weenie hype. Ed's just stirring shit up from his bullshit right-wing flamerism.
QuotePresident Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke by phone Friday evening to discuss the Boston terror attacks and Russian ties of the suspects, the White House said in a statement.
Putin "expressed his condolences on behalf of the Russian people for the tragic loss of life in Boston," the White House said. Obama thanked Putin "for those sentiments" and "praised the close cooperation that the United States has received from Russia on counter-terrorism, including in the wake of the Boston attack."
Obama and Putin "agreed to continue our cooperation on counter-terrorism and security issues going forward," the White House added.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 07:48:44 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2013, 07:47:43 PM
Seriously? WTF for? :huh:
We'll exterminate the Chechens together. National bonding experience. :)
Better Russian allies than polacks.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 07:48:44 PM
We'll exterminate the Chechens together. National bonding experience. :)
No way. Go back and re-read the interviews with the uncles.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 07:50:39 PM
@kat I stole that from one of my former co-workers. :blush:
yeah I saw it on my twitter feed from Andy Richter retweeting Kevin Nealon.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 07:52:39 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2013, 07:47:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
Obama called Pootie Poot.
Seriously? WTF for? :huh:
Don't buy into the weenie hype. Ed's just stirring shit up from his bullshit right-wing flamerism.
Your narrative sucks.
@Yi I'm just kidding. I love angry Muslims. :cool:
Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2013, 07:54:59 PM
yeah I saw it on my twitter feed from Andy Richter retweeting Kevin Nealon.
HA, so he stole it from someone else! THAT SON OF A BITCH
Some serious overtime was accrued in the past 2 days.
And now the back patting begins.
QuoteStatement of the Ambassador of the Czech Republic on the Boston terrorist attack
19.04.2013 / 21:27
As many I was deeply shocked by the tragedy that occurred in Boston earlier this month. It was a stark reminder of the fact that any of us could be a victim of senseless violence anywhere at any moment.
As more information on the origin of the alleged perpetrators is coming to light, I am concerned to note in the social media a most unfortunate misunderstanding in this respect. The Czech Republic and Chechnya are two very different entities - the Czech Republic is a Central European country; Chechnya is a part of the Russian Federation.
As the President of the Czech Republic Miloš Zeman noted in his message to President Obama, the Czech Republic is an active and reliable partner of the United States in the fight against terrorism. We are determined to stand side by side with our allies in this respect, there is no doubt about that.
Petr Gandalovič
Ambassador of the Czech Republic
:lol:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 19, 2013, 07:56:54 PM
Some serious overtime was accrued in the past 2 days.
No shit, you see all those cars haul ass? BPD dispatch stood everybody the fuck down real quick. GO HOME SWAT
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 07:55:28 PM
@Yi I'm just kidding. I love angry Muslims. :cool:
You took away my chance to the use the "one righteous man in Salem" line. :mad:
Everybody's out in the street, cheering like they won the World Series. I think somebody just shouted "Nomaaaaar."
Yep, it's great. Local news is showing crowds of people in Watertown cheering, clapping and shouting thank you as the police and other emergency vehicles drive by.
cops get laid tonight.
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 19, 2013, 07:47:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
Obama called Pootie Poot. One article said Pootie may use this to get relations back on track.
Meh, Pootie's Chechan thug-puppet already blew that one.
Supposedly, a "foreign government" dropped a hint for us to investigate the older brother a couple of years ago, but the FBI decided that he was cool. I assume it was the Russians.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 08:04:13 PM
cops get laid tonight.
They're going to be too spent, what with jerking each other off on the radio the last 20 minutes. Let the mutual cocksucking begin.
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2013, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 19, 2013, 07:47:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
Obama called Pootie Poot. One article said Pootie may use this to get relations back on track.
Meh, Pootie's Chechan thug-puppet already blew that one.
Supposedly, a "foreign government" dropped a hint for us to investigate the older brother a couple of years ago, but the FBI decided that he was cool. I assume it was the Russians.
If that is true the GOP and their pundents will be in high gear spaz mode.
I'm spent.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:05:37 PM
They're going to be too spent, what with jerking each other off on the radio the last 20 minutes. Let the mutual cocksucking begin.
Haven't they kind of done a mediocre job from the day of the Marathon forward, though? :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:05:37 PM
They're going to be too spent, what with jerking each other off on the radio the last 20 minutes. Let the mutual cocksucking begin.
Haven't they kind of done a mediocre job from the day of the Marathon forward, though? :hmm:
I dont think so.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2013, 08:04:29 PM
Supposedly, a "foreign government" dropped a hint for us to investigate the older brother a couple of years ago, but the FBI decided that he was cool. I assume it was the Russians.
If that is true the GOP and their pundents will be in high gear spaz mode.
I dunno...the only tidbit I heard about that was coming from the father tonight in a late interview around 6:30pm, so I wouldn't put any money on it just yet.
USA chant. Euro lecture to follow on nationalism.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 08:12:18 PM
I dont think so.
Well, it doesn't really matter. Now that he's been apprehended we'll hear nonstop that Boston and Mass. LE is the greatest of all time. :sleep:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2013, 08:04:29 PM
Supposedly, a "foreign government" dropped a hint for us to investigate the older brother a couple of years ago, but the FBI decided that he was cool. I assume it was the Russians.
If that is true the GOP and their pundents will be in high gear spaz mode.
I dunno...the only tidbit I heard about that was coming from the father tonight in a late interview around 6:30pm, so I wouldn't put any money on it just yet.
I'd put money on a GOP sponsered investigation.
Lol, diplomatic security jacket.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
Lol, diplomatic security jacket.
No fucking shit. Bureau of Diplomatic Security. The fuck Department of State doing there. Nigga needs to be in Benghazi, not Boston.
Fuck. Nobody sucks each others' dicks like cops, man. Worse than goddamn fraternity football players.
Surprised we haven't seen Strix yet with his PROBATION OFFICER raid jacket there.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:19:01 PM
Surprised we haven't seen Strix yet with his PROBATION OFFICER raid jacket there.
:lmfao:
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 08:14:47 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:12:28 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2013, 08:04:29 PM
Supposedly, a "foreign government" dropped a hint for us to investigate the older brother a couple of years ago, but the FBI decided that he was cool. I assume it was the Russians.
If that is true the GOP and their pundents will be in high gear spaz mode.
I dunno...the only tidbit I heard about that was coming from the father tonight in a late interview around 6:30pm, so I wouldn't put any money on it just yet.
I'd put money on a GOP sponsered investigation.
Yeah, but they got the guy at the end. The Benghazi thing is better because they never got the bad guys, so Obama can't point to any severed heads on spikes.
I think CdM is unwise to underestimate the perversity of Congressional opposition parties.
All we need is Bellicheat show up in his unwashed hoodie.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:05:37 PM
They're going to be too spent, what with jerking each other off on the radio the last 20 minutes. Let the mutual cocksucking begin.
Haven't they kind of done a mediocre job from the day of the Marathon forward, though? :hmm:
They drove those fucking armored cars and shot those machine guns real good, though.
They better have Mirandized that guy. All I'm sayin'.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 08:24:41 PM
All we need is Bellicheat show up in his unwashed hoodie.
The home opener for the Patriots ought to be fun.
Wow, that was something. :mellow: I got stuck in Jamaica Plain where I was spending the night since they shut the T down. Got accurate intel on the situation about 2 hours early while I was waiting in the station from a young Dominican tough on the phone with one of his boys...As NWA once said, witness the power of street knowledge. :cool:
I haven't been to Watertown in a while but it's not bad, kind of like Somerville, plus being the Armenian capital of the area. Used to go down there pretty regularly to get specialty foodstuffs when I had a Turkish girlfriend.
A couple of my friends live about 2 blocks from where the brothers lived in Cambridge...it always struck me as kind of a no-man's-land of auto body shops, which I guess makes perfect sense. :huh:
I have another couple of friends who would've overlapped with the older brother at Cambridge Rindge and Latin (which for all its pomp and circumstance is just a public high school), but it's a big school and pretty ethnically segregated as far as I know, so I doubt they'll have anything to tell me.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2013, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 19, 2013, 07:47:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
Obama called Pootie Poot. One article said Pootie may use this to get relations back on track.
Meh, Pootie's Chechan thug-puppet already blew that one.
Supposedly, a "foreign government" dropped a hint for us to investigate the older brother a couple of years ago, but the FBI decided that he was cool. I assume it was the Russians.
If that is true the GOP and their pundents will be in high gear spaz mode.
Boston Marathon Truthers. :lmfao:
That would be such sweet delicious irony.
Uh oh, flag waving. CRASS AMERICAN TRIUMPHLISM
The BBC will be upset.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 08:24:41 PM
All we need is Bellicheat show up in his unwashed hoodie.
LOL, my Dad texted me after that BDS raid jacket shot--"only agency missing is the f'ing entire New England Patriots".
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 19, 2013, 08:27:29 PM
I haven't been to Watertown in a while but it's not bad, kind of like Somerville
Wrong, it's a dump, as is Slummerville. Don't be spreading misinformation to these good people, Mihali. :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 08:24:41 PM
All we need is Bellicheat show up in his unwashed hoodie.
LOL, my Dad texted me after that BDS raid jacket shot--"only agency missing is the f'ing entire New England Patriots".
:lol:
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 08:29:04 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 19, 2013, 08:27:29 PM
I haven't been to Watertown in a while but it's not bad, kind of like Somerville
Wrong, it's a dump, as is Slummerville. Don't be spreading misinformation to these good people, Mihali. :mad:
You've gotten real uppity ever since you started carpetbagging.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 08:24:41 PM
All we need is Bellicheat show up in his unwashed hoodie.
I was going to make a Hall of Fame gold jacket joke, but then I realized that I don't know any Patriots who made the Hall.
Don't get me wrong.... there are some really nice towns up there. Sudbury, Weston, Wellesley, Needham, Concord, Lexington, Southborough, and Natick all immediately spring to mind. But Watertown and Somerville? GTFO.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
They better have Mirandized that guy. All I'm sayin'.
That'd be a bitch if they didnt..eh
I've visited Concord. Very hoity toity.
I lived up there 14 years and I never once visited the Lexington and Concord battlefield. :blush:
I did go to the Concord Inn once or twice, though.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 08:39:30 PM
I lived up there 14 years and I never once visited the Lexington and Concord battlefield. :blush:
I did go to the Concord Inn once or twice, though.
You should be drummed out of Languish, preferably with an accompanying pipe player too.
I was going to go there to do a re-enactment of the battle with this nigga I used to work with who portrayed a British captain every year, but then he got fired and I lost touch with him. :(
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 08:44:19 PM
I was going to go there to do a re-enactment of the battle with this nigga I used to work with who portrayed a British captain every year, but then he got fired and I lost touch with him. :(
In tribute to you sloth, I shall shortly visit the scene of an early English civil war battlefield or maybe tomorrow I stop at the 'location' of Mount Badon (battle thereof). :bowler:
I thought the location of that battle was unknown. :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 08:52:57 PM
I thought the location of that battle was unknown. :hmm:
:ph34r:
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 07:43:55 PM
Just an idea...Hook the boat to a truck and drive to the police station. :)
:lol:
I have little sympathy for the father sitting in russia making threats and spinning conspiracies. He went on the attack and therefore I don't have sympathy.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2013, 08:34:16 PM
Don't get me wrong.... there are some really nice towns up there. Sudbury, Weston, Wellesley, Needham, Concord, Lexington, Southborough, and Natick all immediately spring to mind. But Watertown and Somerville? GTFO.
Meh, they're a combo of established immigrants, white working-class, and grad students/etc. renting rooms. Definitely stable, pretty safe, and interesting, plus both have gentrified considerably. Actually, the part of Cambridge where the bombers were from is much rougher and uglier, IMO.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 08:35:51 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
They better have Mirandized that guy. All I'm sayin'.
That'd be a bitch if they didnt..eh
Apparantly, the DoJ is saying they don't have to due to a "public safety exception".
OTOH, it's not clear that he was conscious to be Mirandized, anyway.
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2013, 09:34:03 PM
Apparantly, the DoJ is saying they don't have to due to a "public safety exception".
What the fucking fuck?
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2013, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 08:35:51 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
They better have Mirandized that guy. All I'm sayin'.
That'd be a bitch if they didnt..eh
Apparantly, the DoJ is saying they don't have to due to a "public safety exception".
OTOH, it's not clear that he was conscious to be Mirandized, anyway.
So where does that leave the state's case for murder when the Feds fuck it all up?
I LOL'd
QuoteThe Problem with One-Night Stands in Locked-Down Boston
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/lust-during-wartime
https://vine.co/v/bU6YvrOvnvx
FBI ftw.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
They better have Mirandized that guy. All I'm sayin'.
QuoteA Department of Justice official told CBS News no Miranda warning was given to Tsarnaev because government is invoking the public safety exception.
Quote from: merithyn on April 19, 2013, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
They better have Mirandized that guy. All I'm sayin'.
QuoteA Department of Justice official told CBS News no Miranda warning was given to Tsarnaev because government is invoking the public safety exception.
Sigh.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 09:52:10 PM
I LOL'd
QuoteThe Problem with One-Night Stands in Locked-Down Boston
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/lust-during-wartime
Wasn't a one-night stand per se, but this was what landed me stuck on the other side of town :sleep: Same thing happened with the blizzard, though I should've seen that one coming.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 09:52:10 PM
I LOL'd
QuoteThe Problem with One-Night Stands in Locked-Down Boston
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/lust-during-wartime
That was actually quite good. I liked the first comment, too: "You're going to end up getting married." :lol:
Re:Miranda, we'll see if he gives a statement and what kind. You don't necessarily have to be Mirandized the minute the cuffs go on, and it's treated as a "prophylactic rule" rather than a constitutional right in and of itself.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 19, 2013, 09:58:54 PM
https://vine.co/v/bU6YvrOvnvx
FBI ftw.
Sigh.
It's the kind of day today where I need to watch that on a continuous loop so I laugh hard enough to vomit a little bit.
Does Miranda affect anything other than the guy's own testimony?
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 19, 2013, 10:05:35 PM
Re:Miranda, we'll see if he gives a statement and what kind. You don't necessarily have to be Mirandized the minute the cuffs go on, and it's treated as a "prophylactic rule" rather than a constitutional right in and of itself.
No, you don't. But you have to give them somewhere along the line, particularly before the formal charging.
It is, however, good form to do it as soon as possible.
So all this shit happens while I'm hanging out at the taproom, and I only hear they caught Joker on my way home. Just got caught up by reading the last 8 pages. Good job, fellas :cheers:
Quote from: fahdiz on April 19, 2013, 10:05:43 PM
It's the kind of day today where I need to watch that on a continuous loop so I laugh hard enough to vomit a little bit.
I already sent it to my Dad who, as a veteran of the 60's culture wars chasing down Black Panthers, SDS members and the KKK, hates the FBI more than I do.
And besides, has this "public safety exception" passed USSC constitutional muster yet?
If you beat a suspect before the Miranda, does it still count?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 19, 2013, 10:06:26 PM
Does Miranda affect anything other than the guy's own testimony?
Well, there's the "fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine that says that not only is evidence gained illegally not admissible, but so is anything derived from that evidence. So if a suspect in a shooting isn't Mirandized, and confesses and tells police where he hid the gun he used, not only is the confession inadmissible, but so is the gun (though there is an "inevitable discovery" exception to that exclusion). But it does only apply to the suspect himself, so if he also gave up the name of an accomplice, the statement could be used against the accomplice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hM7Ura6Q4w
Way to ge Boston. Free jackets. :rolleyes:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 10:09:00 PM
No, you don't. But you have to give them somewhere along the line, particularly before the formal charging.
It is, however, good form to do it as soon as possible.
Oh no question, it's good public policy, and it's important to drill it into the minds of cops to do it right away so they don't squander a later conviction that rested on the guy's tell-all admission.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 10:11:54 PM
And besides, has this "public safety exception" passed USSC constitutional muster yet?
Don't think so.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 10:14:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hM7Ura6Q4w
Way to ge Boston. Free jackets. :rolleyes:
:lol: Man I feel so lucky to have been with the Philadelphia looters of 2008, and now the Boston looters of 2013.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 19, 2013, 10:14:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hM7Ura6Q4w
Way to ge Boston. Free jackets. :rolleyes:
I read someone excusing that by saying they were using them as bandages and tourniquets. Ehh, no. I don't see much of a sense of urgency once each guy picked out his size.
Quote from: Viking on April 19, 2013, 09:15:41 PM
I have little sympathy for the father sitting in russia making threats and spinning conspiracies. He went on the attack and therefore I don't have sympathy.
Yeah, while his kids were tossing bombs at cops, shooting at them, robbing stores and killing another cop he's trying to say his sons are being framed! <_<
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2013, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 10:11:54 PM
And besides, has this "public safety exception" passed USSC constitutional muster yet?
Don't think so.
Lovely.
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2013, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 10:11:54 PM
And besides, has this "public safety exception" passed USSC constitutional muster yet?
Don't think so.
I think it goes back to a late 70s/early 80s case where a supermarket armed robbery was on-going (maybe with hostages), and they caught one guy but not the other, and the USSC did find a limited public safety exception.
Got it. :smarty: Didn't even have to drag the 4th/5th/6th Amendment casebooks out of the basement on a Friday night.
N.Y. v. Quarles, 467 U.S. 649 (1984). http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=467&invol=649
Knew it was a Rehnquist opinion. :glare:
Should fucking do it anyway.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 10:25:15 PM
Should fucking do it anyway.
I concur with my esteemed colleague from the East.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 10:02:15 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 19, 2013, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2013, 08:26:29 PM
They better have Mirandized that guy. All I'm sayin'.
QuoteA Department of Justice official told CBS News no Miranda warning was given to Tsarnaev because government is invoking the public safety exception.
Sigh.
Famous But Incompetent...I give you the FBI.
You have to love the Feds!
ATF is only slightly worse.
I had too. Apologies in advance
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Quote from: 11B4V on April 20, 2013, 01:20:28 AM
bloody kid/terrorist
Wouldn't the FBI guy want to wear some gloves?
:D Love the uncle's explanation for his nephews actions "Being losers!"
video can be seen its entirety here.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/04/uncle_ruslan_tsarni_the_uncle_of_bombing_suspects_dzhokhar_and_tamerlan.html
Quote
Please, Listen to Ruslan
The bombing suspects' uncle delivers an extraordinary message about character, shame, and collective responsibility.
By William Saletan|Posted Friday, April 19, 2013, at 2:22 PM
Photo by Allison Shelley/Getty Images
From the moment we heard of an explosion at the Boston Marathon, the talk on television, Twitter, and in everyday conversations has been about which category the killers belonged to. Muslims? White supremacists? Arabs? Dark-skinned? Even in the hours since we learned the suspects' names, it's been all about nationality and ethnicity: Chechnya, Dagestan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia.
Then, shortly after 11:30 this morning, Ruslan Tsarni, an uncle of the two suspects, stepped out of his house in Maryland and delivered an extraordinary message about character, shame, and collective responsibility. If you haven't seen the video, watch it below. And keep the memory of it with you in the days to come.
Tsarni said he was coming out to express condolences to the families of the victims in Boston. He spoke with anguish and specificity about each of the dead. He had nothing to do with the bombings, yet he felt an awful connection to them. He couldn't imagine, he said, that "the children of my brother would be associated with them."
Association is a hard thing. The suspects are Tsarni's nephews. He's related to them, but he's also separate from them. "We have not been in touch with that family for a number of years," he said.
A reporter asked Tsarni whether he knew of any ill will his nephews had felt toward the United States. He said he hadn't. "If I had guessed," he added, "I would just submit them myself."
A reporter asked what might have provoked the violence. "Being losers," Tsarni shot back. "Hatred to those who were able to settle themselves" in this country. Then Tsarni raised his voice to make a point: "Anything else to do with religion, with Islam—it's a fraud. It's a fake." He went on: "We are Muslims. We are Chechens." But that didn't explain his nephews' violence, he said. "Somebody radicalized them."
Tsarni tried to explain that his birth family had drifted apart. Speaking of his brother, the father of the two suspects, Tsarni said, "My family has nothing to do with that family." In fact, he continued, "This family [has] had nothing to do with them for a long, long time." When a reporter asked why, he refused to say more than, "I just wanted my family [to] be away from them."
The press wouldn't let go. "Are you ashamed by what has unfolded?" a reporter asked. "Of course we are ashamed!" Tsarni exclaimed. "They are [the] children of my brother." But even his brother, he cautioned, "has little influence" on the two young men.
A reporter asked Tsarni how he felt about the United States. Tsarni, his voice rising, declared it the "ideal" country, a microcosm of the "entire world." He went on: "I respect this country. I love this country—this country which gives a chance to everybody else to be treated as a human being."
A reporter asked whether the young men had ever been caught up in the fighting in Chechnya. Tsarni spat back, "No! They've never been in Chechnya. This has nothing to do with Chechnya. Chechens are different. Chechens are peaceful people." The young men weren't even born there, he said. One was born in Dagestan, the other in Kyrgyzstan.
Muslims, Chechens, immigrants, the family, even the parents—it wasn't fair to hold any of these people responsible. And yet Tsarni couldn't escape the feeling of collective disgrace. "He put a shame on our family," he told the reporters. "He put a shame on the entire Chechen ethnicity."
In the end, Tsarni raised his hands and asked to say one more thing: "Those who suffered, we're sharing with them, with their grief—and ready just to meet with them, and ready just to bend in front of them, to kneel in front of them, seeking their forgiveness. ... In the name of the family, that's what I say."
All of us will remember images from this horror. The innocent boy standing on the rail in his final moments. The unassuming killer apparently dropping the backpack nearby. The explosions. The blood-spattered ground. The surveillance video. The manhunt. We'll gossip and argue about countries, religions, and cultures. But don't forget the uncle. Don't forget his plea—even as he begged for forgiveness for his family, even as he lamented the stain on his nationality and his faith—that no religion, no country, and no people can be blamed for such an atrocity. Any of us could be this man, the innocent man who could not shake his shame.
:lmfao:
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Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 19, 2013, 10:23:26 PM
Got it. :smarty: Didn't even have to drag the 4th/5th/6th Amendment casebooks out of the basement on a Friday night.
N.Y. v. Quarles, 467 U.S. 649 (1984). http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=467&invol=649
Knew it was a Rehnquist opinion. :glare:
Well, I was wrong about it not having been signed off on by the court then. But that still seems a much more limited exception than what they seem to be going for here.
Still leaves open the question of whether he was conscious to be Mirandized.
2nd shootout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=796UFHldHM4
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 20, 2013, 04:36:06 AM
:lmfao:
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I already posted that, Mr. DON'T WE HAVE A MEGATHREAD ALREADY LOLZ LOLZ LOLZ
Stop being 12 hours behind, Timmay, you ignorant fuck. Start being 12 hours ahead, and posting tomorrow's news today. Dumbass kimchi fuck.
FBI interviewed the older brother in 2011 on the suspicions of a foreign government and found nothing amiss.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/04/20/suspect_tamerlan_tsarnaev_was_interviewed_in_2011_at_request_of_foreign.html
Shit, Tim, that news is like 48 hours old.
Don't be so hard on Tim, mail packet ships don't sail into port every day, you know.
Does Tim lead a Conradian existence?
His heart is pretty dark.
Maybe I lost a few posts when this thread was merged, but I read the whole thing. I don't remember that being brought up. :unsure:
Something that just occurred to me: The two cities in the US struck by Muslim terrorism are the two areas which were most supportive of the IRA. Is it possible that karma works?
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2013, 09:21:44 AM
Something that just occurred to me: The two cities in the US struck by Muslim terrorism are the two areas which were most supportive of the IRA. Is it possible that karma works?
Obvious CdM troll is obvious.
Anyway, what do Boston marathon runners and Hitler have in common?
Neither was able to finish a race. :ph34r:
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2013, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2013, 09:21:44 AM
Something that just occurred to me: The two cities in the US struck by Muslim terrorism are the two areas which were most supportive of the IRA. Is it possible that karma works?
Obvious CdM troll is obvious.
I'll take MB too.
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2013, 09:43:58 AM
Anyway, what do Boston marathon runners and Hitler have in common?
Neither was able to finish a race. :ph34r:
Lame and inaccurate.
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2013, 09:43:58 AM
Anyway, what do Boston marathon runners and Hitler have in common?
Neither was able to finish a race. :ph34r:
Grammar fail.
A Boston Marathon runner was unable to finish his race.
Hiter was unable to finish his race
off.
Edit: that was not a reference to hand-, foot- or blow-jobs, it was a reference to genocide.
So, the media seems determined to portray the surviving terrorist as a victim who has been "radicalized" and misled by his brother. I guess we are not even supposed to call him a "terrorist". I am sure it will all be a big misunderstanding that was caused by the U.S. people/culture by the end of the trial.
Quote from: Strix on April 21, 2013, 01:04:37 PM
So, the media seems determined to portray the surviving terrorist as a victim who has been "radicalized" and misled by his brother. I guess we are not even supposed to call him a "terrorist". I am sure it will all be a big misunderstanding that was caused by the U.S. people/culture by the end of the trial.
See, this is the kind of crap that you write all the time that makes it nearly impossible for me or my BFF Berkut to resist mocking you. Zero signal, all high pitched whine noise, all the time.
Quote from: DGuller on April 21, 2013, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: Strix on April 21, 2013, 01:04:37 PM
So, the media seems determined to portray the surviving terrorist as a victim who has been "radicalized" and misled by his brother. I guess we are not even supposed to call him a "terrorist". I am sure it will all be a big misunderstanding that was caused by the U.S. people/culture by the end of the trial.
See, this is the kind of crap that you write all the time that makes it nearly impossible for me or my BFF Berkut to resist mocking you. Zero signal, all high pitched whine noise, all the time.
My partner in all things Languish, DGerkut speaks the truth.
Stuff like that made me think for a long time that you were trolling, or somehow trying to be ironic. But now I realize that it is really how you actually think.
Which makes your love of unions all the more hilarious.
Quote from: DGuller on April 21, 2013, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: Strix on April 21, 2013, 01:04:37 PM
So, the media seems determined to portray the surviving terrorist as a victim who has been "radicalized" and misled by his brother. I guess we are not even supposed to call him a "terrorist". I am sure it will all be a big misunderstanding that was caused by the U.S. people/culture by the end of the trial.
See, this is the kind of crap that you write all the time that makes it nearly impossible for me or my BFF Berkut to resist mocking you. Zero signal, all high pitched whine noise, all the time.
So, the media isn't obsessed with the idea that they were "radicalized"? The whole concept is a cop out. Both brothers made the conscious decision to commit mass murder and than carried it out after planning and training. That fellow terrorists may have provided the training er "radicalized them" is not an excuse for the actions of either brother. If anything it is a reason to send some drones after those that HELPED the brothers. Despite what movies and bad novels like to portray, people don't commit murder especially mass murder unless it is already in them to do so. So called "radicalization" is a red herring at best.
Are you also saying the media hasn't constantly been suggesting and hinting that the younger brother was influenced by his older brother and, therefore, not totally responsible for his actions? Another cop out by the media. If the younger brother had been under lock and key and not let outside his brother's view I could see this is a possible explanation. However, it sounds like the younger brother lead a normal life, went to school, had friends, had a job, and so forth, and could have easily called law enforcement at anytime to stop the attack. He didn't, he made a conscious choice to commit mass murder.
I am not sure, perhaps you cannot afford cable, and have missed everything that is being said.
And, I haven't even addressed the fact the media is doing their best to avoid any connection to Islam that the brothers might have had.
Quote from: Berkut on April 21, 2013, 01:42:10 PM
My partner in all things Languish, DGerkut speaks the truth.
Stuff like that made me think for a long time that you were trolling, or somehow trying to be ironic. But now I realize that it is really how you actually think.
Which makes your love of unions all the more hilarious.
You have my sympathies. I didn't realize you and Habbaku had a divorce. Or, was he finally surgically removed from your ass?
Would it be fair to blame Strix's teachers and parents for the dumbshit stuff he says or was a he a lost cause to begin with? Discuss.
Quote from: Strix on April 21, 2013, 01:51:01 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 21, 2013, 01:42:10 PM
My partner in all things Languish, DGerkut speaks the truth.
Stuff like that made me think for a long time that you were trolling, or somehow trying to be ironic. But now I realize that it is really how you actually think.
Which makes your love of unions all the more hilarious.
You have my sympathies. I didn't realize you and Habbaku had a divorce. Or, was he finally surgically removed from your ass?
Not the broomstick thing again.
Quote from: Strix on April 21, 2013, 01:47:43 PM
And, I haven't even addressed the fact the media is doing their best to avoid any connection to Islam that the brothers might have had.
Are you actually paying attention to what the news sources have to say about anything? That's probably a mistake on your part.
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2013, 02:37:36 PM
Quote from: Strix on April 21, 2013, 01:47:43 PM
And, I haven't even addressed the fact the media is doing their best to avoid any connection to Islam that the brothers might have had.
Are you actually paying attention to what the news sources have to say about anything? That's probably a mistake on your part.
Yes, I have been paying attention. They admit that the brothers believed in Islam but they are downplaying it's involvement. They seem to be stuck on testimonials by friends, relatives, and others saying what wonderful guys they were prior to their attempts at mass murder. I love all the articles about people interviewed overseas which state what a great guy Tamerlan was and how shocked they are about the accusations. I especially love the parts where the people say the U.S. should suck it up because that's how life is where they live and, oh yeah, the people interviewed mention they are Muslim.
Isn't that what they usually do? Interview a bunch of people who say that the mass murderer was just a regular guy and they never saw it coming. In a few weeks, we'll start hearing made-up 'chilling' tales about how somebody thought these people were cold-blooded killers from day one, but that's the society we've built.
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2013, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 21, 2013, 09:21:44 AM
Something that just occurred to me: The two cities in the US struck by Muslim terrorism are the two areas which were most supportive of the IRA. Is it possible that karma works?
Obvious CdM troll is obvious.
It is always galling to see Peter King (R-IRA) talking about counter-terrorism.
QuoteHowever, it sounds like the younger brother lead a normal life, went to school, had friends, had a job, and so forth, and could have easily called law enforcement at anytime to stop the attack. He didn't, he made a conscious choice to commit mass murder.
And the process that lead him to go from a normal life to planting bombs is called 'radicalisation' seems worth studying to me.
I'm struck by a number of similarities with the 7/7 bombers.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 21, 2013, 07:12:48 PM
It is always galling to see Peter King (R-IRA) talking about counter-terrorism.
I saw that.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 21, 2013, 07:12:48 PM
And the process that lead him to go from a normal life to planting bombs is called 'radicalisation' seems worth studying to me.
My (minor) objection to the term is that it, being rooted in a passive verb, implies factors outside the principle's control.
"My eyes are possessed, I can't tear them away from this jihadist website!"
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 21, 2013, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 21, 2013, 07:12:48 PM
And the process that lead him to go from a normal life to planting bombs is called 'radicalisation' seems worth studying to me.
My (minor) objection to the term is that it, being rooted in a passive verb, implies factors outside the principle's control.
"My eyes are possessed, I can't tear them away from this jihadist website!"
Everything is outside of our own agency. Either genes or the overwhelming historical narrative seems to force people to do things these days.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 21, 2013, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 21, 2013, 07:12:48 PM
And the process that lead him to go from a normal life to planting bombs is called 'radicalisation' seems worth studying to me.
My (minor) objection to the term is that it, being rooted in a passive verb, implies factors outside the principle's control.
"My eyes are possessed, I can't tear them away from this jihadist website!"
I have the same attitude to the use of "provoked". Applying provocation or radicalization to an object does not make it provoked or radicalized. It is, however, a necessary but not sufficient condition. There are people out there who are pre-disposed and motivated to be provoked and radicalized, they are few but they do live in societies where the provokedness and radicalization are legitimized.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 21, 2013, 08:10:16 PMMy (minor) objection to the term is that it, being rooted in a passive verb, implies factors outside the principle's control.
Well someone who is radicalised isn't necessarily going to become a terrorist and becoming radical or a terrorist isn't innate, it's a social process.
They may just become a radical and I think there can be positive uses of the verb. The issue is that I think it's far more difficult to predict, study or stop the shift from a radical ideologue to a bomber. Whereas the way someone is radicalised into being, in the case we're talking about, an extremist Islamist is something that can be studied and predicted which is useful for the security services and the community around them.
It isn't out of their control but it seems to me that it is an emotional, social and intellectual process, so that sort of verb works.. My understanding is the normal view, at least of homegrown Islamist extremists, is that they feel alienated in their society. They find a writer or a preacher of some sort who is able to explain the world to them - and to explain why it's not their fault but society's. In turn that gives them a role, sometimes leads to a rejection of society around them and a sort of intellectual spiral were they only engage and think about what they're already being told. And, of course, the reverse can happen.
Obviously people make choices along that route and then a minority, even of extremists, make the further choice of blowing people up. Radicalisation doesn't end in a bomb. But to discount all that talk as weak, or making the terrorist a suspect seems macho nonsense to me. We should condemn our security services to ignorance rather than try to understand the way a seemingly normal kid, or a social worker from Yorkshire ends up killing people.
Having said all that a lot of the stuff about motive in this case still seems to be light on facts and heavy on speculation and talking about radicalisation at least fills some airtime. In this case I think we need to wait.
So the question isn't whether their eyes are possessed but why are they looking to extremism? What's the signs that can be noticed by family members or people in the Mosque? How does what we know about this process then fit with, say, a trip abroad?
I imagine many of the people moaning about the victim-talk of 'radicalisation' will also moan about the FBI not picking up on them after the trip to Russia.
Count down to political shenanigans. 5-4-3-2-1-
Quote(Newser) – As the Boston Marathon bombing investigation continues, the FBI is really zeroing in on dead suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev's six-month trip to Russia last year, the New York Times reports. The elder of the Tsarnaev brothers visited two predominantly Muslim republics in the country's north Caucasus region—Chechnya and Dagestan—both of which are home to strong militant separatist movements. Russia had warned the FBI that Tsarnaev was a "follower of radical Islam" back in 2011, but law enforcement officials did not deem him a security risk; now some members of Congress are unhappy at the way the tip was handled in advance of Tsarnaev's overseas trip, considering he may have had connections to extremist groups in the area. It was after that trip that he started posting jihadist videos.
http://www.newser.com/story/166572/key-thread-in-boston-bombing-trip-to-russia.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/21/house-committee-wants-answers-about-bombing-suspect/
QuoteA Republican-led House committee is asking the Obama administration for all information on the Boston bombing suspect once suspected of engaging in terrorist activities, saying the tragedy marks another intelligence failure and raises "serious questions about the efficacy of the federal counter-terrorism efforts."
The letter was sent Saturday by the House Committee on Homeland Security to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, National Intelligence Director James Clapper and FBI Director Robert Mueller.
In the letter, Committee Chairman Rep. Mike McCaul says bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev appears to be the fifth person since 9/11 to participate in a terror attack, despite being under FBI investigation.
McCaul, R-Texas, said the incidents "raise the most serious questions about the efficacy of the federal counter terrorism efforts."
Tsarnaev, 26, was killed early Friday morning in a police shootout. His 19-year-old brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, was captured by police that night and remains in the hospital.
The older Tsarnaev was interviewed by the FBI in 2011 before a six-month overseas trip, including time in Russia. In addition, he posted jihadist material on his social media site.
On Saturday, two U.S. law enforcement officials said the FBI was acting on information from the Russian intelligence security service that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a follower of radical Islam.
"Yet Tsarnaev remained at liberty in this country to conduct the Boston attack, and it took days to publicly identify him as a suspect," wrote McCaul, who wants the information by Friday.
Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., a committee member who also signed the letter, asked on "Fox News Sunday": "Why didn't the FBI go back and look at this?"
Still, the agency got some bipartisan support Sunday for its intelligence work and finding the bombing suspects.
"The FBI did its due diligence" Rep. Mike Rogers said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
Rogers, R-Mich., a former FBI agent, also suggested Tsarnaev could have made overseas trips under an alias.
Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin told NBC the FBI and related agencies need more resources.
"We need to invest in the resources necessary for law enforcement," said Durbin, who acknowledges the Boston attacks might be a call for a review of U.S. intelligence efforts.
Two bombs place Monday near the Boston Marathon finish line killed three people and injured more than 180 others.
McCaul identified the others in the terrorist category as Anwar al Awlaki, David Headley, Carlos Bledsoe and Nidal Hasan.
He said Faruq Abdulmutallab also attempted a terror attack despite being identified to the Central Intelligence Agency as a potential terrorist. The so-called "underwear bomber" attempted to blow up a U.S. airliner on Dec. 25, 2009.
Al Awlaki was an American-born Al Qaeda member killed in a 2011 U.S. drone attack in Yemen. Headley is a Pakistani-American who pleaded guilty in 2010 to participating in terror attacks including the 2008 Mumbai, India, attacks that killed 164 people.
Bledsoe was born in Tennessee and converted to radical Islam before a 2009 attack on a military recruiting station in which he fatally shot an Army private.
Hasan, born in Virginia, is the Army officer accused of fatally shooting 13 people in 2009 at a military base in Fort Hood, Texas.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/21/house-committee-wants-answers-about-bombing-suspect/#ixzz2RAYiIkD8
I will have to tune into the Foxs News frothers for the comedy show.
Gee wiz who could have fucking predicting this? Oh, I did. <_<
Your psychic powers are amazing.
As much as I enjoy watching the FBI take it in the nuts, I really don't think you can hang this one on them.
But it will be interesting to watch the GOP use this to bring government to a halt. I wonder what they'll filibuster next over this.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
As much as I enjoy watching the FBI take it in the nuts, I really don't think you can hang this one on them.
But it will be interesting to watch the GOP use this to bring government to a halt. I wonder what they'll filibuster next over this.
Sadly, whomever was in charge of investigating the one terrorist will probably have his career come to an end over this. Budget/Staffing issues suck (I always love being told to do the work of 4-5 people in half the time it would take them).
I am sure the GOP will use this to bring immigration reform to a screeching halt. It's really not Obama's fault but there have been a lot of terrorist incidents, both home and abroad, during his watch. It will all soon mesh into a perfect storm of gridlock.
I'd like to see the mouthy aunt in Canada take a Hellfire in the ass.
Quote from: Strix on April 22, 2013, 08:10:22 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
As much as I enjoy watching the FBI take it in the nuts, I really don't think you can hang this one on them.
But it will be interesting to watch the GOP use this to bring government to a halt. I wonder what they'll filibuster next over this.
Sadly, whomever was in charge of investigating the one terrorist will probably have his career come to an end over this. Budget/Staffing issues suck (I always love being told to do the work of 4-5 people in half the time it would take them).
I am sure the GOP will use this to bring immigration reform to a screeching halt. It's really not Obama's fault but there have been a lot of terrorist incidents, both home and abroad, during his watch. It will all soon mesh into a perfect storm of gridlock.
How could he possibly be to blame for what went on overseas?
This is the first major terror attack since 9/11. How is that a lot?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2013, 01:48:33 AM
Your psychic powers are amazing.
Fahdiz wasn't impressed. I suspect it has to do with broom related medical issues.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 22, 2013, 08:12:27 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2013, 01:48:33 AM
Your psychic powers are amazing.
Fahdiz wasn't impressed. I suspect it has to do with broom related medical issues.
I wasn't impressed either. Predicting that politicians will try to make political capital out of major events is a bit like predicting the sun will rise in the east. :P
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 22, 2013, 08:12:07 AM
Quote from: Strix on April 22, 2013, 08:10:22 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
As much as I enjoy watching the FBI take it in the nuts, I really don't think you can hang this one on them.
But it will be interesting to watch the GOP use this to bring government to a halt. I wonder what they'll filibuster next over this.
Sadly, whomever was in charge of investigating the one terrorist will probably have his career come to an end over this. Budget/Staffing issues suck (I always love being told to do the work of 4-5 people in half the time it would take them).
I am sure the GOP will use this to bring immigration reform to a screeching halt. It's really not Obama's fault but there have been a lot of terrorist incidents, both home and abroad, during his watch. It will all soon mesh into a perfect storm of gridlock.
How could he possibly be to blame for what went on overseas?
This is the first major terror attack since 9/11. How is that a lot?
Well Yi, Seeds and Der are already on the bandwagon of clamping down immigration for Muslims post this incident.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 22, 2013, 08:12:07 AM
Quote from: Strix on April 22, 2013, 08:10:22 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
As much as I enjoy watching the FBI take it in the nuts, I really don't think you can hang this one on them.
But it will be interesting to watch the GOP use this to bring government to a halt. I wonder what they'll filibuster next over this.
Sadly, whomever was in charge of investigating the one terrorist will probably have his career come to an end over this. Budget/Staffing issues suck (I always love being told to do the work of 4-5 people in half the time it would take them).
I am sure the GOP will use this to bring immigration reform to a screeching halt. It's really not Obama's fault but there have been a lot of terrorist incidents, both home and abroad, during his watch. It will all soon mesh into a perfect storm of gridlock.
How could he possibly be to blame for what went on overseas?
This is the first major terror attack since 9/11. How is that a lot?
I didn't say major attacks. I said attacks. The GOP will use this bombing as the "straw that broke the camels back" when it comes to terrorism under Obama. They will use the Fort Hood shooting, the Little Rock Recruit Center shooting, the failed Underwear Bomb, and the failed Times Square Bomb, and Benghazi.
I am sure there are some other shootings they will try and pin on him as well such as the Binghamton Massacre.
Quote from: garbon on April 22, 2013, 08:20:21 AM
Well Yi, Seeds and Der are already on the bandwagon of clamping down immigration for Muslims post this incident.
Hey, I'm all for clamping down immigration for Muslims for a whole lot of other reasons, too.
Quote from: Strix on April 22, 2013, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 22, 2013, 08:12:07 AM
Quote from: Strix on April 22, 2013, 08:10:22 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
As much as I enjoy watching the FBI take it in the nuts, I really don't think you can hang this one on them.
But it will be interesting to watch the GOP use this to bring government to a halt. I wonder what they'll filibuster next over this.
Sadly, whomever was in charge of investigating the one terrorist will probably have his career come to an end over this. Budget/Staffing issues suck (I always love being told to do the work of 4-5 people in half the time it would take them).
I am sure the GOP will use this to bring immigration reform to a screeching halt. It's really not Obama's fault but there have been a lot of terrorist incidents, both home and abroad, during his watch. It will all soon mesh into a perfect storm of gridlock.
How could he possibly be to blame for what went on overseas?
This is the first major terror attack since 9/11. How is that a lot?
I didn't say major attacks. I said attacks. The GOP will use this bombing as the "straw that broke the camels back" when it comes to terrorism under Obama. They will use the Fort Hood shooting, the Little Rock Recruit Center shooting, the failed Underwear Bomb, and the failed Times Square Bomb, and Benghazi.
I am sure there are some other shootings they will try and pin on him as well such as the Binghamton Massacre.
Wait, we count failed terrorist attacks now?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2013, 08:26:38 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 22, 2013, 08:20:21 AM
Well Yi, Seeds and Der are already on the bandwagon of clamping down immigration for Muslims post this incident.
Hey, I'm all for clamping down immigration for Muslims for a whole lot of other reasons, too.
They smell like feet.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2013, 08:16:24 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 22, 2013, 08:12:27 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2013, 01:48:33 AM
Your psychic powers are amazing.
Fahdiz wasn't impressed. I suspect it has to do with broom related medical issues.
I wasn't impressed either. Predicting that politicians will try to make political capital out of major events is a bit like predicting the sun will rise in the east. :P
Ah, but I said only if it was a Muslim. I doubt there will be hearing on the ricin attack.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 22, 2013, 08:56:14 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2013, 08:16:24 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 22, 2013, 08:12:27 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2013, 01:48:33 AM
Your psychic powers are amazing.
Fahdiz wasn't impressed. I suspect it has to do with broom related medical issues.
I wasn't impressed either. Predicting that politicians will try to make political capital out of major events is a bit like predicting the sun will rise in the east. :P
Ah, but I said only if it was a Muslim. I doubt there will be hearing on the ricin attack.
I'm all for clamping down hard on Elvis impersonators, myself.
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 08:58:28 AM
I'm all for clamping down hard on Elvis impersonators, myself.
HEY NOW
LEAVE THE KING OUTTA THIS
Quote from: Razgovory on April 22, 2013, 08:56:14 AM
Ah, but I said only if it was a Muslim. I doubt there will be hearing on the ricin attack.
Is there anything for either party to gain from hearings on the ricin attack?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2013, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 22, 2013, 08:56:14 AM
Ah, but I said only if it was a Muslim. I doubt there will be hearing on the ricin attack.
Is there anything for either party to gain from hearings on the ricin attack?
They're caught in a trap
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 22, 2013, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 22, 2013, 08:56:14 AM
Ah, but I said only if it was a Muslim. I doubt there will be hearing on the ricin attack.
Is there anything for either party to gain from hearings on the ricin attack?
Well, knowledge.
:lmfao:
D.C. two step
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2317729880001/did-the-fbi-drop-the-ball-on-elder-boston-bombing-suspect/?playlist_id=1621774019001
Thomas Friedman said the best response to the Boston Marathon bombings is a carbon tax :lol:
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
Thomas Friedman said the best response to the Boston Marathon bombings is a carbon tax :lol:
Speaking of taxes there is talk of a new entry fee charged at all US borders. Politicians in Northern States are concerned it will harm their local economies by reducing the number of Canadians coming south to purchase goods and services. Canadian retailers are secretly jumping for joy at the prospect that some of the 21 billion spent annually by Canadians in the US will be spent at home.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
Thomas Friedman said the best response to the Boston Marathon bombings is a carbon tax :lol:
Speaking of taxes there is talk of a new entry fee charged at all US borders. Politicians in Northern States are concerned it will harm their local economies by reducing the number of Canadians coming south to purchase goods and services. Canadian retailers are secretly jumping for joy at the prospect that some of the 21 billion spent annually by Canadians in the US will be spent at home.
Who's championning that tax? Federal Democrats?
Can't, have an appointment at 1:30.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 22, 2013, 11:52:35 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
Thomas Friedman said the best response to the Boston Marathon bombings is a carbon tax :lol:
Speaking of taxes there is talk of a new entry fee charged at all US borders. Politicians in Northern States are concerned it will harm their local economies by reducing the number of Canadians coming south to purchase goods and services. Canadian retailers are secretly jumping for joy at the prospect that some of the 21 billion spent annually by Canadians in the US will be spent at home.
Who's championning that tax? Federal Democrats?
QuoteThe idea of a "crossing fee" was revealed in a recent budget request by the Department of Homeland Security, which was seeking funds to study the cost of collecting a new toll for people walking and driving into the United States from the north and south.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/us-eyeing-new-border-crossing-fee-for-canadians/article11447160/
That's retarded. Oh wait, us government.
That's par for the course.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
Thomas Friedman said the best response to the Boston Marathon bombings is a carbon tax :lol:
Speaking of taxes there is talk of a new entry fee charged at all US borders. Politicians in Northern States are concerned it will harm their local economies by reducing the number of Canadians coming south to purchase goods and services. Canadian retailers are secretly jumping for joy at the prospect that some of the 21 billion spent annually by Canadians in the US will be spent at home.
Ick. Those things suck. I have to pay a "reciprocity fee" for me and my two kids to get into Argentina.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 22, 2013, 11:52:35 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
Thomas Friedman said the best response to the Boston Marathon bombings is a carbon tax :lol:
Speaking of taxes there is talk of a new entry fee charged at all US borders. Politicians in Northern States are concerned it will harm their local economies by reducing the number of Canadians coming south to purchase goods and services. Canadian retailers are secretly jumping for joy at the prospect that some of the 21 billion spent annually by Canadians in the US will be spent at home.
Who's championning that tax? Federal Democrats?
QuoteThe idea of a "crossing fee" was revealed in a recent budget request by the Department of Homeland Security, which was seeking funds to study the cost of collecting a new toll for people walking and driving into the United States from the north and south.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/us-eyeing-new-border-crossing-fee-for-canadians/article11447160/
DHS seems confused on what they are suppose to do as armed arm of a fascist state.
I like their logic tho. We need money, can't tax the american citizens! Let's tax the Canadian, they are used to it after all! Wants one more tax to them?
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 12:10:24 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
Thomas Friedman said the best response to the Boston Marathon bombings is a carbon tax :lol:
Speaking of taxes there is talk of a new entry fee charged at all US borders. Politicians in Northern States are concerned it will harm their local economies by reducing the number of Canadians coming south to purchase goods and services. Canadian retailers are secretly jumping for joy at the prospect that some of the 21 billion spent annually by Canadians in the US will be spent at home.
Ick. Those things suck. I have to pay a "reciprocity fee" for me and my two kids to get into Argentina.
Why would you go to Argentina? Everyone knows Spanish speaking South American countries are terrible.
Feds just charged him 18 USC s2332a(a) Use of Weapon of Mass Destruction, and 18 USC s844 Malicious Destruction of Property Resulting in Death.
18 USC § 2332a is a capital crime if death results from the use of the WMD, so I'd guess they are going to try and take him for the full ride.
A shrapnel bomb is a weapon of mass destruction?
I guess Saddam might have had weapons of mass destruction after all.
What happens if his throat wound prevents him from ever speaking again?
As far as a potential trial goes.
Quote from: Jacob on April 22, 2013, 01:10:31 PM
A shrapnel bomb is a weapon of mass destruction?
I guess Saddam might have had weapons of mass destruction after all.
From 18 USC 2332:
Quote
(2) the term "weapon of mass destruction" means—
(A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;
(B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
(C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or
(D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life; and
And section 921:
Quote(4) The term "destructive device" means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
Good lord, a missile with a warhead of a quarter-ounce is a "WMD"? :lmfao:
We used to make those for fun as kids! (Model rocket with payload - drill hole to ejection charge - stuff it full of blanks)
Admittedly, playing with that shit was stupid and could have got us killed, but a "WMD"? Methinks that casts the net too broadly.
:hmm: Reported. :ph34r:
Mines and hand grenades are weapons of mass destructions?
That's... okay... sure... but that's a totally different term and definition when we're speaking of states, right? Because, if not then every nation and state on Earth, from the Vatican to Tuvalu, possesses weapons of mass destruction.
Lol, WMDs arent what they used to be
Quote from: Jacob on April 22, 2013, 01:23:39 PM
Mines and hand grenades are weapons of mass destructions?
That's... okay... sure... but that's a totally different term and definition when we're speaking of states, right? Because, if not then every nation and state on Earth, from the Vatican to Tuvalu, possesses weapons of mass destruction.
U.S. Code isn't generally the same as trade terms. From a military perspective for example DoD would never classify a gunpowder bomb as a WMD, but what I pasted was U.S. Code which can use whatever definitions its writers wanted in defining terms of criminal statutes.
I think there's a good chance they "announce they're seeking the death penalty." But he ends up making a plea agreement for life (and there is no longer parole in the Federal system), and he'll check in for a lifetime stay at ADX Florence.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 01:23:44 PM
Lol, WMDs arent what they used to be
Well, it solves the old "did Saddam have WMDs?" question.
Heck, he probably had a few in his bedroom closet. :D
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 01:23:44 PM
Lol, WMDs arent what they used to be
Well, it solves the old "did Saddam have WMDs?" question.
Heck, he probably had a few in his bedroom closet. :D
Made of gold.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 22, 2013, 01:25:54 PM
U.S. Code isn't generally the same as trade terms. From a military perspective for example DoD would never classify a gunpowder bomb as a WMD, but what I pasted was U.S. Code which can use whatever definitions its writers wanted in defining terms of criminal statutes.
Yeah, I figured it was something like that, but it's still funny.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 22, 2013, 01:06:36 PM
Why would you go to Argentina? Everyone knows Spanish speaking South American countries are terrible.
1) I have to, and 2) it's a fun place for me.
Oh, and the steak is the best on earth. Wine ain't too bad, either.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 22, 2013, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 12:10:24 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
Thomas Friedman said the best response to the Boston Marathon bombings is a carbon tax :lol:
Speaking of taxes there is talk of a new entry fee charged at all US borders. Politicians in Northern States are concerned it will harm their local economies by reducing the number of Canadians coming south to purchase goods and services. Canadian retailers are secretly jumping for joy at the prospect that some of the 21 billion spent annually by Canadians in the US will be spent at home.
Ick. Those things suck. I have to pay a "reciprocity fee" for me and my two kids to get into Argentina.
Why would you go to Argentina? Everyone knows Spanish speaking South American countries are terrible.
Err, it's not like the non-spanish speaking south american countries are all that great...
Parts of Brazil are amazing.
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2013, 01:57:12 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 22, 2013, 01:46:11 PM
Parts of Brazil are amazing.
Not the parts I saw.
Beeb was in the part of Brazil where river fish swim into people's weiners. :(
Quote from: Jacob on April 22, 2013, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 22, 2013, 01:25:54 PM
U.S. Code isn't generally the same as trade terms. From a military perspective for example DoD would never classify a gunpowder bomb as a WMD, but what I pasted was U.S. Code which can use whatever definitions its writers wanted in defining terms of criminal statutes.
Yeah, I figured it was something like that, but it's still funny.
Other nations may have similar type provisions in their civil law, I'd think.
Yeah, if you were legitimately in the uncivilized parts of Brazil you'd have to be a super nerdy anthropologist or some nature freak to enjoy that shit.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 22, 2013, 02:23:10 PM
Yeah, if you were legitimately in the uncivilized parts of Brazil you'd have to be a super nerdy anthropologist or some nature freak to enjoy that shit.
Nah, nothing like that.
I was in Salvador, Bahia. It was very hot and very poor.
Quote from: KRonn on April 22, 2013, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 22, 2013, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 22, 2013, 01:25:54 PM
U.S. Code isn't generally the same as trade terms. From a military perspective for example DoD would never classify a gunpowder bomb as a WMD, but what I pasted was U.S. Code which can use whatever definitions its writers wanted in defining terms of criminal statutes.
Yeah, I figured it was something like that, but it's still funny.
Other nations may have similar type provisions in their civil law, I'd think.
It isn't the fact of harshly punishing people who kill people using these weapons that amuses, it's the use of the term.
After all the hoopla and fear around the concept of "WMDs", it's a bit of a let-down that your average industrial firework could probably qualify.
Quote from: Malthus on April 22, 2013, 02:29:29 PM
Quote from: KRonn on April 22, 2013, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 22, 2013, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 22, 2013, 01:25:54 PM
U.S. Code isn't generally the same as trade terms. From a military perspective for example DoD would never classify a gunpowder bomb as a WMD, but what I pasted was U.S. Code which can use whatever definitions its writers wanted in defining terms of criminal statutes.
Yeah, I figured it was something like that, but it's still funny.
Other nations may have similar type provisions in their civil law, I'd think.
It isn't the fact of harshly punishing people who kill people using these weapons that amuses, it's the use of the term.
After all the hoopla and fear around the concept of "WMDs", it's a bit of a let-down that your average industrial firework could probably qualify.
I would think it's not so much the size of the weapon, but how it was used.
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2013, 02:31:00 PM
I would think it's not so much the size of the weapon, but how it was used.
That's just it. A "weapon of
mass destruction" certainly implies a scale of, well, "mass destruction". Like a nuke .
That's its original meaning, and it most certainly implies something by way of scale. It is ludicrous that a "missile" with a "warhead" of a quarter-ounce of explosive is a "weapon of mass destruction". It makes a mockery of the term.
Now obviously for legal purposes the feds can define the term any way they want, but I'd have thought they would use a term better suited, rather than hijacking an existing term that means something entirely different.
What's the deal with calling the bombs weapons of mass destruction? Seems like it opens the door to calling every drone strike or mortar round as a WMD too.
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2013, 02:31:00 PM
I would think it's not so much the size of the weapon, but how it was used.
I know people are trying to be nice when they say that, but I'm so sick of hearing it. :(
Quote from: DGuller on April 22, 2013, 02:47:13 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2013, 02:31:00 PM
I would think it's not so much the size of the weapon, but how it was used.
I know people are trying to be nice when they say that, but I'm so sick of hearing it. :(
Maybe you need to stop considering it a weapon.
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2013, 02:31:00 PM
I would think it's not so much the size of the weapon, but how it was used.
Ah, that age old excuse for the weapon size challenged.
Quote from: sbr on April 22, 2013, 01:10:35 PM
What happens if his throat wound prevents him from ever speaking again?
As far as a potential trial goes.
Usually, defense lawyers don't want their clients to testify, so there might not be any need for him to say anything in the first place (he does have to enter a plea, but his lawyer can do that for him). If he does need to communicate but can't speak, I suppose he can either write or learn sign language.
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2013, 02:27:27 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 22, 2013, 02:23:10 PM
Yeah, if you were legitimately in the uncivilized parts of Brazil you'd have to be a super nerdy anthropologist or some nature freak to enjoy that shit.
Nah, nothing like that.
I was in Salvador, Bahia. It was very hot and very poor.
Sounds like you were disappointed :console:
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 22, 2013, 02:47:06 PM
What's the deal with calling the bombs weapons of mass destruction? Seems like it opens the door to calling every drone strike or mortar round as a WMD too.
Oh, certainly.
18 USC § 2332a - Use of weapons of mass destruction
Quote(c) Definitions.— For purposes of this section—
...
(2) the term "weapon of mass destruction" means—
(A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;
(B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
(C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or
(D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life;
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a
(B)-(C) (chemical, biological, and nuclear) look fine. But what's a "destructive device"?
Quote(4) The term "destructive device" means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and
(C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921
Whee. I believe DoD has a separate definition for their purposes, but this is the one relevant to the Boston thing.
See also:
http://www.popehat.com/2013/04/22/thoughts-on-the-tsarneav-complaint/
:hmm:
Quote from: DGuller on April 22, 2013, 01:21:29 PM
:hmm: Reported. :ph34r:
Your filthy laws don't apply here. We won the war of 1812 and remained a free people rather than a sickening slave state.
Quote from: Neil on April 22, 2013, 03:54:39 PM
We won the war of 1812
What a coincidence-- so did we!! :)
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2013, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2013, 02:27:27 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 22, 2013, 02:23:10 PM
Yeah, if you were legitimately in the uncivilized parts of Brazil you'd have to be a super nerdy anthropologist or some nature freak to enjoy that shit.
Nah, nothing like that.
I was in Salvador, Bahia. It was very hot and very poor.
Sounds like you were disappointed :console:
It was very... interesting. Met some really very nice people, saw some beautiful beaches, visited a part of the world I never would have thought to visit.
And now I have little to no intention of ever going back again. :)
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2013, 05:09:44 PMIt was very... interesting. Met some really very nice people, saw some beautiful beaches, visited a part of the world I never would have thought to visit.
And now I have little to no intention of ever going back again. :)
Your heart belongs to Northern Canada, eh?
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 22, 2013, 04:56:47 PM
Argentina didnt win anything.
Oh yeah?
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F7%2F74%2FLa_Reconquista_de_Buenos_Aires.jpg&hash=054df83ba4fa855dad6af04aa41869ceb383498b)
:contract:
That's 1806 :contract:
I was there for the bicentenary. They celebrated with historical re-enactment :weep:
Did guys used to stuff rags in their pants, or did they just paint them like that?
Look at a portrait of Ney. He's packing.
Baldheaded Limey looks like Ms. Uniboob from the Canadian parliament.
Quote from: Jacob on April 22, 2013, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 22, 2013, 05:09:44 PMIt was very... interesting. Met some really very nice people, saw some beautiful beaches, visited a part of the world I never would have thought to visit.
And now I have little to no intention of ever going back again. :)
Your heart belongs to Northern Canada, eh?
Well, obviously. :wub:
Tamerlan Tsarnaev Eyed in Grisly 2011 Triple Murder
http://www.newser.com/story/166655/tamerlan-tsarnaev-eyed-in-grisly-2011-triple-murder.html
Ughhh...why did I read the comments on that stroy. :bleeding:
Anyways, here's an article on that that's a little more detailed.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/boston-bomb-suspect-eyed-connection-2011-triple-murder/story?id=19015628
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 23, 2013, 01:07:57 AM
Ughhh...why did I read the comments on that stroy. :bleeding:
QuoteAnd 0bama wants to open our borders to the Hispanics! What kind of drug terrorism will THEY bring to this country? More murder? More kidnappings? More robbery? Michelle O. visited the Saudi national who was first identified as the Boston Bomber while in the hospital. He was scheduled to be deported tomorrow, but voila, as soon as she visited him his deportation was cancelled! This Muslim who has relatives in Gitmo and known associates proven to be allied with Al Qaeda. What is 0bama's true agenda? Terrorize the people of this country while he bankrupts all of us? To provide full employment for Latinos as all American citizens lose their jobs? This is the most evil president we have ever had, and will ever have. All you people who voted for him probably agree with his goals of destroying America and want to be part of his Storm Troopers.
:lol:
I wonder if the GOP is going to sabotage it's own immigration bill.
Some great photos of the shootout here.
http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 23, 2013, 01:58:32 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 23, 2013, 01:07:57 AM
Ughhh...why did I read the comments on that stroy. :bleeding:
QuoteAnd 0bama wants to open our borders to the Hispanics! What kind of drug terrorism will THEY bring to this country? More murder? More kidnappings? More robbery? Michelle O. visited the Saudi national who was first identified as the Boston Bomber while in the hospital. He was scheduled to be deported tomorrow, but voila, as soon as she visited him his deportation was cancelled! This Muslim who has relatives in Gitmo and known associates proven to be allied with Al Qaeda. What is 0bama's true agenda? Terrorize the people of this country while he bankrupts all of us? To provide full employment for Latinos as all American citizens lose their jobs? This is the most evil president we have ever had, and will ever have. All you people who voted for him probably agree with his goals of destroying America and want to be part of his Storm Troopers.
:lol:
Why is he writing Obama with a 0 instead of an O?
Same reason people say "Nobama" I'd imagine.
For those appalled at the level of stupid being displayed by the radical right fruitcakes, I have just four words for you to remember:
move
on
dot
org
Oh, Berkut. :lmfao:
Quote from: 11B4V on April 23, 2013, 12:58:17 AM
Tamerlan Tsarnaev Eyed in Grisly 2011 Triple Murder
http://www.newser.com/story/166655/tamerlan-tsarnaev-eyed-in-grisly-2011-triple-murder.html
Well, that's one way to get a clearance.
Quote from: Martinus on April 23, 2013, 04:13:53 AM
Why is he writing Obama with a 0 instead of an O?
Probably trying to dodge the government's ubernasty data mining software for anti-Obama thoughtcrime. Because that's what the government does all day.
Quote from: Berkut on April 23, 2013, 06:48:11 AM
For those appalled at the level of stupid being displayed by the radical right fruitcakes, I have just four words for you to remember:
move
on
dot
org
Don't bother. The only crazies are conservatives, remember? :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 23, 2013, 06:48:11 AM
For those appalled at the level of stupid being displayed by the radical right fruitcakes, I have just four words for you to remember:
move
on
dot
org
Don't bother. The only crazies are conservatives, remember? :)
It's a matter of volume. The left-wing crazies are just as crazy, but there appear to be less of them in the US - at least, nowadays.
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 09:10:43 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 23, 2013, 06:48:11 AM
For those appalled at the level of stupid being displayed by the radical right fruitcakes, I have just four words for you to remember:
move
on
dot
org
Don't bother. The only crazies are conservatives, remember? :)
It's a matter of volume. The left-wing crazies are just as crazy, but there appear to be less of them in the US - at least, nowadays.
Only because we have a Dem president. ;)
Left-wing craziness had also gotten pretty mainstream when Bush was pres.
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 09:10:43 AM
It's a matter of volume. The left-wing crazies are just as crazy, but there appear to be less of them in the US - at least, nowadays.
I'm not sure how you could possibly measure how many there are vs. leftist crazies. :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 09:10:43 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 23, 2013, 06:48:11 AM
For those appalled at the level of stupid being displayed by the radical right fruitcakes, I have just four words for you to remember:
move
on
dot
org
Don't bother. The only crazies are conservatives, remember? :)
It's a matter of volume. The left-wing crazies are just as crazy, but there appear to be less of them in the US - at least, nowadays.
I think the party out of power tends to be either more vocally crazy, or maybe it is just that people pay more attention to their crazies.
The current right wing craziness is at a different level than even what we saw in the worst of the Bushitler days though. The right wing nutjobs are so much more personal and convinced of their victimhood. It is rather scary.
I could not stand the moveon nuts, but I never imagined them being violent, for example. The right wing whack jobs seem to believe that Obama is out to actively and consciously destroy America, and they revel in ignorance and actively denigrate any kind of critical thinking about their own views. That is a scary combination.
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 23, 2013, 06:48:11 AM
For those appalled at the level of stupid being displayed by the radical right fruitcakes, I have just four words for you to remember:
move
on
dot
org
Don't bother. The only crazies are conservatives, remember? :)
but conservative crazies have guns.
Quote from: Berkut on April 23, 2013, 09:19:44 AM
The current right wing craziness is at a different level than even what we saw in the worst of the Bushitler days though. The right wing nutjobs are so much more personal and convinced of their victimhood. It is rather scary.
It's because Obama is black. Let's be honest about it.
So? Liberal crazies can just tackle them.
Quote from: HVC on April 23, 2013, 09:20:04 AM
but conservative crazies have guns.
:hmm: Was Hinckley a conservative? How about the kid in the Colorado shootings? He was some pretentious nerd studying psych and obsessed with comics so I very much doubt he was either. :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 09:20:59 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 23, 2013, 09:19:44 AM
The current right wing craziness is at a different level than even what we saw in the worst of the Bushitler days though. The right wing nutjobs are so much more personal and convinced of their victimhood. It is rather scary.
It's because Obama is black. Let's be honest about it.
Nah, I don't think so - at least not to a decisive extent.
These were the same people who, for example, where convinced Clinton was killing his own staff members.
I am sure race enters into it at some level, but if Obama was a white guy, these same people would still be convinced he was out to take their guns, destroy America, and ruin their way of life. Victimhood is a matter of faith.
Conservatives seem much more prone to conspiracy theories, so there's that. Something I've noticed is that Leftist criticism of Bush tended to be what he did, or at least was perceived to have done. Bush invaded Iraq, Bush set up Gitmo, Bush put incompetent flunkies in high position etc. Rightist criticism of Obama tends to be what he will do. Obama will take your guns, Obama will raise your taxes, Obama will ration health care. One of the ideas circulating last year in the Presidential campaign was that if Obama is reelected he won't have to worry about reelection in the future then he'll really move to take away your freedoms.
Berk, I don't think so. I could be wrong but I don't recall anyone ever saying Clinton was "trying to destroy America", which if you voice such an opinion you've got to be a lunatic to some degree, but the way. Why would Obama want to "destroy America"? What would be the motivation there... because he would want to be remembered as a terrible President? :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 09:23:05 AM
Quote from: HVC on April 23, 2013, 09:20:04 AM
but conservative crazies have guns.
:hmm: Was Hinckley a conservative? How about the kid in the Colorado shootings? He was some pretentious nerd studying psych and obsessed with comics so I very much doubt he was either. :)
i counter with Ted Nugent :P
...who has shot how many people so far? :)
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 09:24:42 AM
Conservatives seem much more prone to conspiracy theories, so there's that.
I don't know that that's true, though the lefty conspiracy-mongers tend to lump Republicans and Democrats together.
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 09:30:44 AM
...who has shot how many people so far? :)
Publicly? None. Privately? :ph34r:
Dude made threats against the prez. Hey counts as a crazy conservative with guns :contract: :D
*edit* phone did a weird quote thing.
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 09:10:43 AM
It's a matter of volume. The left-wing crazies are just as crazy, but there appear to be less of them in the US - at least, nowadays.
I'm not sure how you could possibly measure how many there are vs. leftist crazies. :hmm:
I can't. As I said, it's a matter of volume.
The right-wing crazies are simply
louder - in that they for whatever reasons have their views heard more, in the media, in comments on the Internet, whatever.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 22, 2013, 07:58:18 PM
That's 1806 :contract:
I was there for the bicentenary. They celebrated with historical re-enactment :weep:
Yeah but I was speaking more I general terms.
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2013, 09:25:06 AM
Berk, I don't think so. I could be wrong but I don't recall anyone ever saying Clinton was "trying to destroy America", which if you voice such an opinion you've got to be a lunatic to some degree, but the way. Why would Obama want to "destroy America"? What would be the motivation there... because he would want to be remembered as a terrible President? :hmm:
I think that might be more of a function of increased internet access giving people on the lunatic fringe a place to vent. Pick any President we've ever had, except maybe George Washington, and there's been someone convinced that he was out to destroy the country or turn it over to our enemies (of course, who got identified as "our enemies" changes over time and from loony to loony--in 1800, Federalist loonies thought Thomas Jefferson was going to bring the French Reign of Terror here, while Democratic-Republican loonies thought John Adams was going to turn us back over to King George III).
Quote from: dps on April 23, 2013, 09:53:07 AM
in 1800, Federalist loonies thought Thomas Jefferson was going to bring the French Reign of Terror here,
He had to settle for thousands of Cajuns.
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 09:35:48 AM
The right-wing crazies are simply louder - in that they for whatever reasons have their views heard more, in the media, in comments on the Internet, whatever.
With more money.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 23, 2013, 11:19:55 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 09:35:48 AM
The right-wing crazies are simply louder - in that they for whatever reasons have their views heard more, in the media, in comments on the Internet, whatever.
With more money.
Specifically, with regard to the success of Fox, I think conservatives watch TV at higher rates than others. Lots of people are unplugging from TV.
Interesting idea Mimsy.
They certainly listen to talk radio at higher rates. That was observed before the big talk radio boom in the late 80's-90's. I strongly suspect there is a bigger appetite for reaffirming your own opinion in right wing circles.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
They certainly listen to talk radio at higher rates. That was observed before the big talk radio boom in the late 80's-90's. I strongly suspect there is a bigger appetite for reaffirming your own opinion in right wing circles.
I am pretty sure confirmation bias afllicts us all. Everything I read confirms that view.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 23, 2013, 05:16:58 PMI am pretty sure confirmation bias afllicts us all. Everything I read confirms that view.
That's what I've read as well.
LULZ, oh, you two.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
They certainly listen to talk radio at higher rates. That was observed before the big talk radio boom in the late 80's-90's. I strongly suspect there is a bigger appetite for reaffirming your own opinion in right wing circles.
Agreed. The very nature of being a right winger makes you more vulnerable to seeking out blowhards to reaffirm your view, just like the very nature of being left winger makes you more vulnerable to being fickle and apathetic. That's why there is no successful leftist Rush Limbaugh, just like there is no successful rightist Jon Stewart.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 23, 2013, 05:16:58 PM
I am pretty sure confirmation bias afllicts us all. Everything I read confirms that view.
:lol:
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 06:02:05 PM
That's why there is no successful leftist Rush Limbaugh
Olberman had a pretty good run.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 23, 2013, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 23, 2013, 11:19:55 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 23, 2013, 09:35:48 AM
The right-wing crazies are simply louder - in that they for whatever reasons have their views heard more, in the media, in comments on the Internet, whatever.
With more money.
Specifically, with regard to the success of Fox, I think conservatives watch TV at higher rates than others. Lots of people are unplugging from TV.
I suspect that the 24 hour news audience was older, whiter, and more well off than the general population even without people unplugging.
In terms of unplugging from cable, perhaps a bigger effect should be showing up in newspapers. Probably a good chunk of existing subscriptions are to nursing homes. 15 years ago if you told me I wouldn't have a newspaper subscription today, I would assume I somehow ended up homeless (and even then would be using a newspaper as a blanket).
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 23, 2013, 06:40:08 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 06:02:05 PM
That's why there is no successful leftist Rush Limbaugh
Olberman had a pretty good run.
Such a good run that he gets fired every couple of hours.
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 08:48:04 PM
Such a good run that he gets fired every couple of hours.
"Had" is the past tense of to have.
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
They certainly listen to talk radio at higher rates. That was observed before the big talk radio boom in the late 80's-90's. I strongly suspect there is a bigger appetite for reaffirming your own opinion in right wing circles.
Agreed. The very nature of being a right winger makes you more vulnerable to seeking out blowhards to reaffirm your view, just like the very nature of being left winger makes you more vulnerable to being fickle and apathetic. That's why there is no successful leftist Rush Limbaugh, just like there is no successful rightist Jon Stewart.
There is a temptation to think right wingers and left wingers are just mirrors of each other. I do not think this is true. For instance, there is a major gap between Democrats and Republicans on the topic of compromise. http://www.gallup.com/poll/144359/democrats-republicans-differ-views-compromise.aspx
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 08:58:14 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
They certainly listen to talk radio at higher rates. That was observed before the big talk radio boom in the late 80's-90's. I strongly suspect there is a bigger appetite for reaffirming your own opinion in right wing circles.
Agreed. The very nature of being a right winger makes you more vulnerable to seeking out blowhards to reaffirm your view, just like the very nature of being left winger makes you more vulnerable to being fickle and apathetic. That's why there is no successful leftist Rush Limbaugh, just like there is no successful rightist Jon Stewart.
There is a temptation to think right wingers and left wingers are just mirrors of each other. I do not think this is true. For instance, there is a major gap between Democrats and Republicans on the topic of compromise. http://www.gallup.com/poll/144359/democrats-republicans-differ-views-compromise.aspx
I noticed you picked a poll that was taken right at the height of the Tea Party movement :hmm:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 23, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 08:48:04 PM
Such a good run that he gets fired every couple of hours.
"Had" is the past tense of to have.
Compared to what? Mayflies? The guy ran with dismal ratings for a while then rose up to almost Fox levels when Bush was in trouble then burned out.
Quote from: derspiess on April 23, 2013, 09:02:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 08:58:14 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
They certainly listen to talk radio at higher rates. That was observed before the big talk radio boom in the late 80's-90's. I strongly suspect there is a bigger appetite for reaffirming your own opinion in right wing circles.
Agreed. The very nature of being a right winger makes you more vulnerable to seeking out blowhards to reaffirm your view, just like the very nature of being left winger makes you more vulnerable to being fickle and apathetic. That's why there is no successful leftist Rush Limbaugh, just like there is no successful rightist Jon Stewart.
There is a temptation to think right wingers and left wingers are just mirrors of each other. I do not think this is true. For instance, there is a major gap between Democrats and Republicans on the topic of compromise. http://www.gallup.com/poll/144359/democrats-republicans-differ-views-compromise.aspx
I noticed you picked a poll that was taken right at the height of the Tea Party movement :hmm:
I noticed you agreed with this sentiment at the time as well. I distinctly remember you saying that you would be pleased if Congress blocked everything that Obama did. And again, if you can find a better poll, do so.
If Olbermann had 20 million viewers he wouldn't have been canned, so not the best counter example.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 09:06:04 PM
I noticed you agreed with this sentiment at the time as well. I distinctly remember you saying that you would be pleased if Congress blocked everything that Obama did.
Since I disagreed with every bit of Obama's agenda, uh... yeah.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 23, 2013, 09:13:36 PM
If Olbermann had 20 million viewers he wouldn't have been canned, so not the best counter example.
I always liked him as a pure sports guy. Too bad he veered way off that track.
Quote from: derspiess on April 23, 2013, 09:16:29 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 09:06:04 PM
I noticed you agreed with this sentiment at the time as well. I distinctly remember you saying that you would be pleased if Congress blocked everything that Obama did.
Since I disagreed with every bit of Obama's agenda, uh... yeah.
Glad to know you wanted Osama Bin Laden alive. :P
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 09:18:16 PM
Glad to know you wanted Osama Bin Laden alive. :P
OH NO YOU GOT ME THERE
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 23, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 08:48:04 PM
Such a good run that he gets fired every couple of hours.
"Had" is the past tense of to have.
I don't think he even had much of a good run. Much like MSNBC, you only knew he existed when someone spoke of the outrageous think he said. What were his peak viewership figures like, compared to Rush or Glenn Beck?
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
I don't think he even had much of a good run. Much like MSNBC, you only knew he existed when someone spoke of the outrageous think he said. What were his peak viewership figures like, compared to Rush or Glenn Beck?
He had a good run in terms of causing outrage in his opponents.
Quote from: derspiess on April 23, 2013, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
I don't think he even had much of a good run. Much like MSNBC, you only knew he existed when someone spoke of the outrageous think he said. What were his peak viewership figures like, compared to Rush or Glenn Beck?
He had a good run in terms of causing outrage in his opponents.
then Obama is the best president ever :D
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
I don't think he even had much of a good run. Much like MSNBC, you only knew he existed when someone spoke of the outrageous think he said. What were his peak viewership figures like, compared to Rush or Glenn Beck?
No clue.
Quote from: HVC on April 23, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
then Obama is the best president ever :D
Well yeah, in that sense you could say he's having a good run.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 23, 2013, 10:17:29 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
I don't think he even had much of a good run. Much like MSNBC, you only knew he existed when someone spoke of the outrageous think he said. What were his peak viewership figures like, compared to Rush or Glenn Beck?
No clue.
Then how can you say he had a good run?
Derspeiss, serious question here. Do you think that the Democrats show reciprocate and block everything that a future Republican President does?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 10:28:50 PM
Then how can you say he had a good run?
I can say Rush is having a very good run too, without knowing his peak audience numbers either.
He at least has longevity, and the thanks of 1994 Congressional Freshmen.
I'm sure Limbaugh's not seeing near the numbers he was during the Clinton years.
More competition now days. But he I imagine he's doing much better then he was in the Bush years. Talk radio doesn't do so well on the defensive. It's mostly an attack oriented medium.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Derspeiss, serious question here. Do you think that the Democrats show reciprocate and block everything that a future Republican President does?
SHould?
I think they should, unless the unlikely event occurs where the GOP adopt a Democratic policy idea.
the GOP MO has been to disavow the previously held policy rather than trumpting their ideology victory (Romney/OBamacare) which I don't really understand.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 24, 2013, 05:51:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Derspeiss, serious question here. Do you think that the Democrats show reciprocate and block everything that a future Republican President does?
SHould?
I think they should, unless the unlikely event occurs where the GOP adopt a Democratic policy idea.
the GOP MO has been to disavow the previously held policy rather than trumpting their ideology victory (Romney/OBamacare) which I don't really understand.
Well you're an idiot then. We have enough stalemates as it is.
Sounds like Tamerlan was on welfare. Not sure about Joker.
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tamerlan_tsarnaev_got_mass_welfare_benefits
He was unemployed. Of course he was on benefits.
Quote from: merithyn on April 24, 2013, 10:14:30 AM
He was unemployed. Of course he was on benefits.
Don't make excuses for him :glare:
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: merithyn on April 24, 2013, 10:14:30 AM
He was unemployed. Of course he was on benefits.
Don't make excuses for him :glare:
Heh, you right-wing folks really
do hate those on welfare more than terrorists. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: merithyn on April 24, 2013, 10:14:30 AM
He was unemployed. Of course he was on benefits.
Don't make excuses for him :glare:
Heh, you right-wing folks really do hate those on welfare more than terrorists. :lol:
Nah, I wouldn't say that.
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 10:05:58 AM
Sounds like Tamerlan was on welfare.
I HATE AMERIKKKKKKKKKA!!!!! ULULULULULULULULUH
Now give me handouts plz :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 11:17:11 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 10:05:58 AM
Sounds like Tamerlan was on welfare.
I HATE AMERIKKKKKKKKKA!!!!! ULULULULULULULULUH
Now give me handouts plz :)
/Trudeau/ Its clear that being on welfare created a sense of alienation from society. Its not his fault he turned to terrorism. We are all to blame for having put him in that difficult position /Trudeau/
I agree. We should all be executed and the brother should be released and given therapy. :)
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 10:18:01 AM
Heh, you right-wing folks really do hate those on welfare more than terrorists. :lol:
No, they don't differentiate between the two; welfare = potential terrorist, so this is a perfect case for them. :P
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: merithyn on April 24, 2013, 10:14:30 AM
He was unemployed. Of course he was on benefits.
Don't make excuses for him :glare:
Heh, you right-wing folks really do hate those on welfare more than terrorists. :lol:
It's a religious impulse. "Idle hands are the devil's tools" and all that.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 24, 2013, 11:23:12 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 24, 2013, 10:18:01 AM
Heh, you right-wing folks really do hate those on welfare more than terrorists. :lol:
No, they don't differentiate between the two; welfare = potential terrorist, so this is a perfect case for them. :P
I think it is more what Cal said.
Once again, a mass murder was committed by a bored, unemployed young man. Maybe we should just making up bullshit Soviet-like jobs for everyone in this category.
"Hi, my name is Tamerlan and I'll be verifying that your passport is stamped correctly today."
Apparently Joker was an Obama supporter. He tweeted 'Barack you my dawg' on election night.
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 11:48:56 AM
Apparently Joker was an Obama supporter. He tweeted 'Barack you my dawg' on election night.
So was Chris Dorner. We're one terrorist away from a pattern. :ph34r:
Here is an interesting opinion piece from the Globe and Mail
Quote"From now on, I've decided to wear a sign slung from my neck that reads: ADNAN R. KHAN, NON-MUSLIM."
It's been a decade since I wrote that line, a controversial declaration, to be sure, especially for a person of Pakistani origin who is automatically presumed to be part of the community of believers. I was a journalist working for the Western press in Turkey at the time, covering the outskirts of the Iraq war, and though I was opposed to that war, I nonetheless represented the overarching culture of domination that had manufactured reasons to invade a sovereign nation and cause havoc in the lives of its innocent civilians.
But I was also a Muslim, nominally as that may have been, and that meant I had to take sides. "Being a Muslim in these trying times," I wrote in that commentary, "automatically aligns you with the spiraling hatred sweeping across the Arab world against the West. The logic's straightforward: you're brown and you have an Arabic name, therefore you hate the West."
It was, in retrospect, the beginning of a very dangerous narrative. None of the Muslims I knew hated the West, but somehow, being Muslim was quickly becoming synonymous with being anti-Western.
Over the years, that narrative has spread and grown, thrust into the forefront by a series of jihadist plots against Western targets. Most, like the recent arrest of two Canadian residents planning to bomb a train, are broken up before they can be executed. More often than not, the plots themselves turn out to be little more than angry young people talking tough. Garage talk, with little hope of ever being translated into action.
But occasionally, as in Boston, and London, and Madrid they do succeed, with devastating effect.
Whenever these attacks happen, I find myself hoping that a Muslim was not involved. Occasionally, that proves true – the carnage in Norway being the best example – though the Western media will almost reflexively speculate on the Muslim connection.
Often enough, however, it is a Muslim, and the narrative of a violent, bloodthirsty Islam is strengthened, this despite the fact that jihadist terrorism, in statistical terms, still ranks far below other forms of terrorist violence (right-wing, left-wing, racist) in many western countries, including Canada.
How did this happen? How did a fringe group of fanatics become the poster boys for a religion of more than a billion people? It's convenient to blame the media: jihadists are a good story in our fast-paced information age. They are easily packaged into sensational sound bites and visual ephemera. But that's only part of the picture.
The narrative of Islam has traveled down a dark road, and Muslims themselves are largely to blame. That they have allowed a small, inherently marginalized group to hijack that narrative is a reflection of an overarching malaise in Muslim thought.
Take, for example, that most famous of Islamic phrases – Allahu Akbar. In the jihadist narrative, it has become a slogan, a war cry. It has been corrupted to such a degree that even moderate Muslims have forgotten the deeper meanings it implies, reduced as it has been to simply "God is Great".
Ask a Sufi, however, and the meaning is much different. These mystics and intellectuals – the last remaining bulwark against the ossifying effects of ultra-orthodox Islam – do the necessary brainwork that Islam demands of its adherents.
Here's what a Sufi might tell you: Allah is the contraction of the Arabic word al, meaning "the" and ilah, meaning god. A better translation, they would say, is "The One God", or more mystically, The Unity, that overarching force which binds the universe together.
The meaning of akbar is somewhat less contentious. In Arabic, the word for "great" is kebir. Akbar instead means "greater".
So putting the two together - Allah and Akbar – would produce "The One God is Greater" or "The Unity is Greater".
Next, consider the hu. In grammatical terms, the u is the nominative desinence added to Allah to link it to the verb akbar. Straightforward enough. But as most Sufis, and Arabists, will tell you, nothing is ever so straightforward in Arabic, particularly the Arabic of the Qur'an.
The hu itself is an invocation of sorts: the sound carries meaning. Some mystics equate the hu with the Hindu om, employing it in devotional ceremonies, or zikr, as a mantra. Allah-hoo, Sufis are often heard chanting at dergahs, their private gatherings. Allah-hoo, over and over again, occasionally releasing an elongated hoooooooooo in an airy expulsion of breath.
Breath itself is the key to the ceremony. The repetition of hu, interspersed with Allah, is a kind of breathing exercise intended to release the mind from its attachments and bring a person closer to God's all-encompassing presence. So Sufis often refer to hu as the presence of God.
So now where does Allahu Akbar stand? We already have Allah meaning the One God, or the Unity, and Akbar meaning greater. Add the hu and you have 'The presence of the One God is Greater', or 'The presence of Unity is Greater'.
That reading is a world apart from God is Great. Whereas the latter externalizes God, turns Him into an object to be worshipped and obeyed, the more spiritual (and arguably more accurate) rendering brings God back to earth, a presence to be experienced and understood. God is Great is the exultation of the masses; The Presence of God is Greater is quiet reflection, an individual, meditative exercise.
That is the Islam I remember from my childhood, a faith infused with such subtle meaning that it has produced some of the greatest works of literature in human history – Rumi, Hafiz, Gibran, to name a few. It is not the angry Islam we see today.
My mother studied Persian poetry at university. She used to be able to quote Rumi in the original Persian. Since 9-11 and all of the chaos that has followed, anger has displaced that beauty. Muslims have allowed their faith to devolve into a series of rules and prohibitions devoid of inner meaning, a story shaped and controlled by fanatics.
As long as that remains the case, I will keep that sign slung around my neck.
Adnan Khan is a writer and photographer who lives in Istanbul and Islamabad.
Smart guy. He might want to sell his home in Islamabad, though.
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 12:43:47 PM
Smart guy. He might want to sell his home in Islamabad, though.
Yeah, I was thinking he probably doesnt spend much time in Pakistan after making public comments like that.
I listened to a little Glenn Beck on my morning commute this week. He keeps chasing his tail about the Saudi kid that was in the hospital and was supposedly going to be deported. This morning they were mocking Big Sis, which was fairly entertaining :)
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 12:53:28 PM
I listened to a little Glenn Beck on my morning commute this week.
Everytime I think there is hope for you, you come up with something like this.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 24, 2013, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 12:53:28 PM
I listened to a little Glenn Beck on my morning commute this week.
Everytime I think there is hope for you, you come up with something like this.
Oh, I'm not a Glenn Beck fan. He's a bit crazy & melodramatic for my likings. The only redeeming quality of his show is when he & his two co-hosts do their smartass routine mocking someone on the left.
I was listening this week to see if he had any fun conspiracy theories about last week. He apparently thinks he's on to something with this Saudi kid, but I haven't pieced together what he's insinuating.
Glenn Beck sure does cry a lot.
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 01:18:03 PM
I was listening this week to see if he had any fun conspiracy theories about last week. He apparently thinks he's on to something with this Saudi kid, but I haven't pieced together what he's insinuating.
OMG THE HOUSE OF SAUD SPONSERED THIS
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 01:36:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 01:18:03 PM
I was listening this week to see if he had any fun conspiracy theories about last week. He apparently thinks he's on to something with this Saudi kid, but I haven't pieced together what he's insinuating.
OMG THE HOUSE OF SAUD SPONSERED THIS
I suppose that's the theory. He did go off on a rant about them, which should put him in good standing with all the blubbering Euros with chips on their shoulders about the Saudi royal family.
QuoteBreath itself is the key to the ceremony. The repetition of hu, interspersed with Allah, is a kind of breathing exercise intended to release the mind from its attachments and bring a person closer to God's all-encompassing presence. So Sufis often refer to hu as the presence of God.
Everybody was Kung Hu fighting.
The boys uncle, the one who called them "losers", is getting fan mail.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/24/boston-bomb-suspects-uncle-gets-love-mail-for-calling-them-losers/
He seemed like a good dude. I feel bad for him being caught up in this crazy-ass shit.
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2013, 04:09:17 PM
The boys uncle, the one who called them "losers", is getting fan mail.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/24/boston-bomb-suspects-uncle-gets-love-mail-for-calling-them-losers/
Deserves it. Dude's response was totally righteous.
Let the commissions and the filibustering begin.
QuoteSen. Lindsey Graham still has a lot of questions about the Boston bombing suspects, saying Wednesday that the administration was "letting its guard down" on national security.
"Something's not right here. I don't want to be judgmental, but I want to make sure we're safe," the Republican from South Carolina told Martha MacCallum of Fox News. "Between Benghazi and Boston, we're going backward in national security. This administration is letting its guard down and it is beginning to show."
Graham made it clear that he still sought concrete answers as to how the Tsarnaev brothers managed to carry out the April 15 Boston Marathon bombing, when the older brother was on the FBI watchlist.
"If you Google terrorists, you will find the older brother on the Web, a YouTube video of him declaring war on us, saying we're a Christian nation, we're infidels. How could the FBI, after the interview in 2011, not pick up that traffic where this guy is visiting radical Web sites?" Graham said.
The eldest Tsarnaev brother later died in a shootout with law enforcement, but his younger brother is in custody at a hospital where he is being treated for injuries.
"This administration has a hard time embracing we're at war with radical Islam. ... [The surviving brother] has got a lawyer [and] he deserves all the protections of a citizen in federal court," Graham added. "He can't be tried by military commission because citizens are excluded, but he is a prime candidate for enemy combatant status and contrary to what some people say, American citizens have been held as enemy combatants for decades in this country when they side with the enemy. This idea of interviewing him through a lawyer makes no sense to me from a national security purpose."
QuoteCongressman: 'Five Jihadists Have Reached Their Targets in the United States Under Barack Obama'
"I rise today to express grave doubts about the Obama Administration's counterterrorism policies and programs," said the freshman congressman from Arkansas. "Counterterrorism is often shrouded in secrecy, as it should be, so let us judge by the results. In barely four years in office, five jihadists have reached their targets in the United States under Barack Obama: the Boston Marathon bomber, the underwear bomber, the Times Square Bomber, the Fort Hood shooter, and in my own state—the Little Rock recruiting office shooter. In the over seven years after 9/11 under George W. Bush, how many terrorists reached their target in the United States? Zero! We need to ask, 'Why is the Obama Administration failing in its mission to stop terrorism before it reaches its targets in the United States?'"
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 04:16:54 PM
He seemed like a good dude. I feel bad for him being caught up in this crazy-ass shit.
Too bad some Caucasian ritual would require the dad to slaughter him and his whole family. :(
Bloomberg seems to have joined the Repubs on this issue.
Cause he's a republican?
He's not.
He's not easily classified on the whole, but on individual issues he definitely can be. When it comes to national security, Bloomberg very much "caucuses" with the worst of Republicans.
Right? A republican pushing for a nanny state on healthy behavior?
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2013, 06:24:23 PM
When it comes to national security, Bloomberg very much "caucuses" with the worst of Republicans.
He's the Mayor of the Biggest Bullseye outside of Washington, DC.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2013, 06:25:33 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2013, 06:24:23 PM
When it comes to national security, Bloomberg very much "caucuses" with the worst of Republicans.
He's the Mayor of the Biggest Bullseye outside of Washington, DC.
Yep.
So the older bro's wife is pretty cute... what I'm wondering is how dumb she'd have to be to want to shackle herself to that piece of shit loser. :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 06:49:48 PM
So the older bro's wife is pretty cute... what I'm wondering is how dumb she'd have to be to want to shackle herself to that piece of shit loser. :hmm:
Pretty damned stupid, I'd say. She converted to Islam for him & then worked 80 hour weeks while his lazy ass sat around doing nothing productive.
Well he apparently produced some bombs. :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 06:49:48 PM
So the older bro's wife is pretty cute... what I'm wondering is how dumb she'd have to be to want to shackle herself to that piece of shit loser. :hmm:
Nonzero probability of limousine liberal love the third worlder Peace Corps hippie type.
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2013, 06:21:12 PM
He's not.
Oh I thought he still was one, cause you know, he kept getting elected as one.
Well the marriage bit is beyond me but I can understand being attracted to unsuitable men.
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 07:00:26 PM
Well he apparently produced some bombs. :)
Not to be too light about this, but we are fortunate that our bombers seem to be not too bright. Two guys deciding to throw their life away by committing a spectacular mass murder, and only killing 4 people is rather inept.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 24, 2013, 07:17:05 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 07:00:26 PM
Well he apparently produced some bombs. :)
Not to be too light about this, but we are fortunate that our bombers seem to be not too bright. Two guys deciding to throw their life away by committing a spectacular mass murder, and only killing 4 people is rather inept.
On the downside they injured a lot of people. My mother told me today that one of her best friends is the friend of a couple who while out of the woods now, might both end up losing their feet. :(
It's one thing to be attracted to one but another thing entirely to let one impregnate you, coerce you into converting to a religion that regards you as your husband's possession, etc.
At least she knew her role.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 24, 2013, 07:14:25 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 06:49:48 PM
So the older bro's wife is pretty cute... what I'm wondering is how dumb she'd have to be to want to shackle herself to that piece of shit loser. :hmm:
Nonzero probability of limousine liberal love the third worlder Peace Corps hippie type.
I can't argue with the odds you give--non zero isn't saying much. But radical islam is incompatible with liberalism. Being married to a guy is a bit different than admiring a radical from afar and ignoring the fundmentalism, sexism, etc.
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
It's one thing to be attracted to one but another thing entirely to let one impregnate you, coerce you into converting to a religion that regards you as your husband's possession, etc.
Apparently MiM let non-marriage material girls change all of his world views so...
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 24, 2013, 07:19:50 PM
At least she knew her role.
Hey Ed, she's available now too :)
Quote from: alfred russel on April 24, 2013, 07:20:46 PM
I can't argue with the odds you give--non zero isn't saying much. But radical islam is incompatible with liberalism. Being married to a guy is a bit different than admiring a radical from afar and ignoring the fundmentalism, sexism, etc.
It's not as if there are a lot of non Western cultures with progressive ideas about gender equality.
I think she's sort of the opposite of a whore, actually. :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 07:30:47 PM
I think she's sort of the opposite of a whore, actually. :hmm:
Will you let me troll Meri in peace?
Quote from: alfred russel on April 24, 2013, 07:20:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 24, 2013, 07:14:25 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 06:49:48 PM
So the older bro's wife is pretty cute... what I'm wondering is how dumb she'd have to be to want to shackle herself to that piece of shit loser. :hmm:
Nonzero probability of limousine liberal love the third worlder Peace Corps hippie type.
I can't argue with the odds you give--non zero isn't saying much. But radical islam is incompatible with liberalism. Being married to a guy is a bit different than admiring a radical from afar and ignoring the fundmentalism, sexism, etc.
One of the most serious flaws of liberals is that their tolerance doesn't make an exception for intolerance.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 24, 2013, 07:34:24 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 07:30:47 PM
I think she's sort of the opposite of a whore, actually. :hmm:
Will you let me troll Meri in peace?
Ah.... as you were, Colonel. :)
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 07:21:24 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
It's one thing to be attracted to one but another thing entirely to let one impregnate you, coerce you into converting to a religion that regards you as your husband's possession, etc.
Apparently MiM let non-marriage material girls change all of his world views so...
Hey we can't all pop out of the womb all jaded and worldly. :P
Lots of guys have a "girl whose damage woke me up" story. Maybe most.
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
It's one thing to be attracted to one but another thing entirely to let one impregnate you, coerce you into converting to a religion that regards you as your husband's possession, etc.
Women want to follow unapologetic men. Dosen't matter what it is, almost every male endeavour has female groupies. Even Starcraft.
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2013, 07:39:22 PM
One of the most serious flaws of liberals is that their tolerance doesn't make an exception for intolerance.
Yeah, but without the whole 'everybody is equal and good' thing, there's no point in adhering to their particular brand of nonsense.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 24, 2013, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
It's one thing to be attracted to one but another thing entirely to let one impregnate you, coerce you into converting to a religion that regards you as your husband's possession, etc.
Women want to follow unapologetic men. Dosen't matter what it is, almost every male endeavour has female groupies. Even Starcraft.
Okay, seductionville.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 24, 2013, 08:03:00 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2013, 07:21:24 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
It's one thing to be attracted to one but another thing entirely to let one impregnate you, coerce you into converting to a religion that regards you as your husband's possession, etc.
Apparently MiM let non-marriage material girls change all of his world views so...
Hey we can't all pop out of the womb all jaded and worldly. :P
Lots of guys have a "girl whose damage woke me up" story. Maybe most.
More's the pity. :P
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2013, 07:39:22 PM
One of the most serious flaws of liberals is that their tolerance doesn't make an exception for intolerance.
Sure it does, just only for white Westerners.
Quote from: Caliga on April 24, 2013, 07:30:47 PM
I think she's sort of the opposite of a whore, actually. :hmm:
She whored herself out to multiculturalism.
Says the gigolo.
As opposed to Missus derspiess, who whored herself out to monoculturalism. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2013, 09:11:29 PM
As opposed to Missus derspiess, who whored herself out to monoculturalism. :P
Now, now, Spicy may be nearly completely Argentine these days, but they're still living in Ohio.
My father in law did say last November that I was now more Argentine than the wife.
Limousine Liberal? I thought his GF was also an immigrant, some sort of Euro.
Edit: oh I guess she is from Mass I wonder why I thought she was a Euro? Weird. So her family says they did not really know the man she married...and it seems he beat her and called her a whore and so forth...her family may or may not be liberals but they are a pretty shitty bunch for just standing by while that happened. The statements from the family are just bizarre and detached from reality as if her hubby just tragically got whacked by a bus rather than having a clear record of being a horrible human being to their daughter and then shockingly going out like a horrible human being.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2013, 05:08:28 PMQuote
"I rise today to express grave doubts about the Obama Administration's counterterrorism policies and programs," said the freshman congressman from Arkansas. "Counterterrorism is often shrouded in secrecy, as it should be, so let us judge by the results. In barely four years in office, five jihadists have reached their targets in the United States under Barack Obama: the Boston Marathon bomber, the underwear bomber, the Times Square Bomber, the Fort Hood shooter, and in my own state—the Little Rock recruiting office shooter. In the over seven years after 9/11 under George W. Bush, how many terrorists reached their target in the United States? Zero! We need to ask, 'Why is the Obama Administration failing in its mission to stop terrorism before it reaches its targets in the United States?'"
Does he care to be specific as to which policies he has a problem with? Obama has done pretty much everything Bush did only more so. I hope these are not the same guys crusading against Obama using drones and doing mean stuff to American citizens...that would be sad.
Anyway, if we consider the Time Square bomber and the underwear bomber 'reaching his target' we also had a few terrorism attempts stopped by citizens during the Bush years as well so I do not get why those get thrown in there and then pronouncing Bush had zero. Pretty weak. We had one attack killing four people on our soil.
So Bush saved us from terror attacks after a terrorist attack on his watch killed 100x than all of the others combined. That's one of the worst arguments I have ever heard.
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2013, 10:46:51 PM
Limousine Liberal? I thought his GF was also an immigrant, some sort of Euro.
Edit: oh I guess she is from Mass I wonder why I thought she was a Euro? Weird. So her family says they did not really know the man she married...and it seems he beat her and called her a whore and so forth...her family may or may not be liberals but they are a pretty shitty bunch for just standing by while that happened. The statements from the family are just bizarre and detached from reality as if her hubby just tragically got whacked by a bus rather than having a clear record of being a horrible human being to their daughter and then shockingly going out like a horrible human being.
Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot that you can do in those circumstances. If she's going to stay with him, she's going to stay with him, and it's in your personal best interest to divorce yourself from the situation to maintain your own sanity.
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2013, 10:51:17 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2013, 05:08:28 PMQuote
"I rise today to express grave doubts about the Obama Administration's counterterrorism policies and programs," said the freshman congressman from Arkansas. "Counterterrorism is often shrouded in secrecy, as it should be, so let us judge by the results. In barely four years in office, five jihadists have reached their targets in the United States under Barack Obama: the Boston Marathon bomber, the underwear bomber, the Times Square Bomber, the Fort Hood shooter, and in my own state—the Little Rock recruiting office shooter. In the over seven years after 9/11 under George W. Bush, how many terrorists reached their target in the United States? Zero! We need to ask, 'Why is the Obama Administration failing in its mission to stop terrorism before it reaches its targets in the United States?'"
Does he care to be specific as to which policies he has a problem with? Obama has done pretty much everything Bush did only more so. I hope these are not the same guys crusading against Obama using drones and doing mean stuff to American citizens...that would be sad.
Anyway, if we consider the Time Square bomber and the underwear bomber 'reaching his target' we also had a few terrorism attempts stopped by citizens during the Bush years as well so I do not get why those get thrown in there and then pronouncing Bush had zero. Pretty weak. We had one attack killing four people on our soil.
I thought the Times Square bomber was caught in a sting operation. Besides thousands of Americans died at the hands of terrorists after 9-11. It just happened that most of them were soldiers.
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2013, 10:46:51 PM
Limousine Liberal? I thought his GF was also an immigrant, some sort of Euro.
Edit: oh I guess she is from Mass I wonder why I thought she was a Euro? Weird. So her family says they did not really know the man she married...and it seems he beat her and called her a whore and so forth...her family may or may not be liberals but they are a pretty shitty bunch for just standing by while that happened. The statements from the family are just bizarre and detached from reality as if her hubby just tragically got whacked by a bus rather than having a clear record of being a horrible human being to their daughter and then shockingly going out like a horrible human being.
Do they have documentation that was happening?
I wouldn't in the least be suprised if that was the case. However, a plausible alternative was that she fell into whatever worldview her husband had, was his partner, and could potentially end up charged as an accomplice. If I was advising her, a strategy might be to build a narrative that she was abused and emotionally distant from him.
Quote from: Valmy on April 24, 2013, 10:46:51 PM
Limousine Liberal? I thought his GF was also an immigrant, some sort of Euro.
Edit: oh I guess she is from Mass I wonder why I thought she was a Euro? Weird. So her family says they did not really know the man she married...and it seems he beat her and called her a whore and so forth...her family may or may not be liberals but they are a pretty shitty bunch for just standing by while that happened. The statements from the family are just bizarre and detached from reality as if her hubby just tragically got whacked by a bus rather than having a clear record of being a horrible human being to their daughter and then shockingly going out like a horrible human being.
Heh, reminds me somewhat of a friend of my parents. Her daughter fell in with a cult that, of all things, was composed of extreme Jewish converts
from Islam (the woman was not herself Islamic - her family were wealthy liberal Jews from Forest Hill). They made her marry a husband chosen by them who abused her something fierce - and pop out kids one after another. Their "rabbi" ruled them all, set up marriages, told them where to live, etc. - she moved to Israel at the behest of the cult leader and her husband and lived in a slum. Her husband, naturally, did no work (he was busy studying the "rabbi"s wisdom all day), so she had to work to support them all (while popping out an endless string of kids).
Eventually, the parents, having tried everything else, simply bought off the "rabbi" with a cash payment and their daughter and grandkids were returned, somewhat the worse for wear. She's still extremely religious but no longer a member of that particular cult.
Why any woman who was not severely retarded would
voluntarily join such an organization and live such a lifestyle having not grown up into it I have no idea, but evidently it happens.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 25, 2013, 08:37:01 AM
Do they have documentation that was happening?
Yeah police reports she seems to have called 911 on him. Plus witnesses claim they would have violent arguments.
QuoteI wouldn't in the least be suprised if that was the case. However, a plausible alternative was that she fell into whatever worldview her husband had, was his partner, and could potentially end up charged as an accomplice. If I was advising her, a strategy might be to build a narrative that she was abused and emotionally distant from him.
She and her family are not saying this at all. They are shocked this was happening and being asked to be left along in their grief...as if some sort of tragedy befell him.
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2013, 08:56:57 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 25, 2013, 08:37:01 AM
Do they have documentation that was happening?
Yeah police reports she seems to have called 911 on him. Plus witnesses claim they would have violent arguments.
QuoteI wouldn't in the least be suprised if that was the case. However, a plausible alternative was that she fell into whatever worldview her husband had, was his partner, and could potentially end up charged as an accomplice. If I was advising her, a strategy might be to build a narrative that she was abused and emotionally distant from him.
She and her family are not saying this at all. They are shocked this was happening and being asked to be left along in their grief...as if some sort of tragedy befell him.
Thanks.
Quote from: merithyn on April 25, 2013, 08:24:55 AM
Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot that you can do in those circumstances. If she's going to stay with him, she's going to stay with him, and it's in your personal best interest to divorce yourself from the situation to maintain your own sanity.
Well if they felt that way, and that would be understandable, they would have responded like the his uncle did. But that is not what they are doing, their response was weird.
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2013, 08:56:57 AMShe and her family are not saying this at all. They are shocked this was happening and being asked to be left along in their grief...as if some sort of tragedy befell him.
Seems reasonable enough to me. I mean, to have someone you think of your partner for life, a member of your family, and the father of your child/ grand child to turn out to me a crazy asshole murderer, that's pretty tragic. If your wife killed a bunch of people in a terrorist attack, you'd be pretty devastated too I'd imagine.
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2013, 04:09:17 PM
The boys uncle, the one who called them "losers", is getting fan mail.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/24/boston-bomb-suspects-uncle-gets-love-mail-for-calling-them-losers/
Lol. But hey, he seems like the only sane one in the family group!
Quote from: Jacob on April 25, 2013, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2013, 08:56:57 AMShe and her family are not saying this at all. They are shocked this was happening and being asked to be left along in their grief...as if some sort of tragedy befell him.
Seems reasonable enough to me. I mean, to have someone you think of your partner for life, a member of your family, and the father of your child/ grand child to turn out to me a crazy asshole murderer, that's pretty tragic. If your wife killed a bunch of people in a terrorist attack, you'd be pretty devastated too I'd imagine.
Then again, it seems like he was an asshole and didn't treat her too well. I'm sure they saw signs of his Islamist nuttiness.
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2013, 10:17:46 AM
Quote from: Jacob on April 25, 2013, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2013, 08:56:57 AMShe and her family are not saying this at all. They are shocked this was happening and being asked to be left along in their grief...as if some sort of tragedy befell him.
Seems reasonable enough to me. I mean, to have someone you think of your partner for life, a member of your family, and the father of your child/ grand child to turn out to me a crazy asshole murderer, that's pretty tragic. If your wife killed a bunch of people in a terrorist attack, you'd be pretty devastated too I'd imagine.
Then again, it seems like he was an asshole and didn't treat her too well. I'm sure they saw signs of his Islamist nuttiness.
Weren't they separated, hubby having beaten the wife, police called and such? The guy had also become extremist, radical, possibly she felt endangered by him, so I'd assume she didn't have anywhere near the same feelings for him as early in their marriage. Same to be said for the woman's parents, I'd think.
Still... there's quite a jump from family member with a dysfunctional, possibly abusive relationship (where many people hold out hope for redemption and reconciliation) to attempted mass-murdering terrorist and number one hated person of the moment (and dead).
I mean... how is taking someone into your family and having him turn out to be a hateful loser who tries to kill people not tragic?
Quote from: Jacob on April 25, 2013, 11:17:01 AM
Still... there's quite a jump from family member with a dysfunctional, possibly abusive relationship (where many people hold out hope for redemption and reconciliation) to attempted mass-murdering terrorist and number one hated person of the moment (and dead).
I mean... how is taking someone into your family and having him turn out to be a hateful loser who tries to kill people not tragic?
But I think they probably already knew (or ought to have known) that he was a hateful loser.
FWIW, I watched the Tsarnaev parents' press conference. Mom sure isn't the shy, withdrawn type. And their dad is apparently Pete Townshend.
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New York Times piece on the timeline of the arrest (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/us/officers-killing-spurred-pursuit-in-boston-attack.html?pagewanted=1&adxnnlx=1366913028-V%207L5KpCTBcWNqK4CMKp5Q)
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2013, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: Jacob on April 25, 2013, 11:17:01 AM
Still... there's quite a jump from family member with a dysfunctional, possibly abusive relationship (where many people hold out hope for redemption and reconciliation) to attempted mass-murdering terrorist and number one hated person of the moment (and dead).
I mean... how is taking someone into your family and having him turn out to be a hateful loser who tries to kill people not tragic?
But I think they probably already knew (or ought to have known) that he was a hateful loser.
FWIW, I watched the Tsarnaev parents' press conference. Mom sure isn't the shy, withdrawn type. And their dad is apparently Pete Townshend.
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The mother needs a hellfire enema.
Anybody else think this was a false flag operation by gubbermint black ops types in order to get the TSA expanded and posted at every sporting event?
:huh:
Strix probably does. Can't imagine anyone else.
Putinator Speaks
Quote(Newser) – Vladimir Putin has made his first public comments on the Boston bombings, and wasted no time in identifying what he sees as a double standard: "I was always appalled when our Western partners and the Western media called the terrorist who did bloody crimes in our country 'insurgents,' and almost never 'terrorists,'" said Putin in his annual Q&A session today, according to RT.
The Atlantic Wire notes that Putin has previously pushed the West to back up Russia's attempts to crack down on revolts on its own soil; he today reasserted his belief that Russia should not be criticized for cracking down harshly on its own extremists. "Those two [the Tsarnaevs] have proved our position all too well," he said. Another can't-miss line came during a discussion about the previous debate on whether to classify Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as an "enemy combatant" or prisoner of war: "Are they out of their mind?" Putin asked. "What kind of POW is he? Do they fight the Civil War between the North and South again?"
:)
Putin is not always wrong.
Admit it, you'd vote for him.
I would. I'd vote for hitler too.
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2013, 06:24:23 PM
He's not easily classified on the whole, but on individual issues he definitely can be. When it comes to national security, Bloomberg very much "caucuses" with the worst of Republicans.
I think it's pretty reasonable he's switched parties in his life just because his collection of views as a whole would make him an ill fit for either party, so why not join whichever one positioned him for election? (Which is what he did.) He's a weird mixture of an authoritarian, neoconservative, progressive capitalist.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 25, 2013, 04:58:30 PM
I would. I'd vote for hitler too.
It's all about you isn't it :rolleyes:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 25, 2013, 05:14:29 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2013, 06:24:23 PM
He's not easily classified on the whole, but on individual issues he definitely can be. When it comes to national security, Bloomberg very much "caucuses" with the worst of Republicans.
I think it's pretty reasonable he's switched parties in his life just because his collection of views as a whole would make him an ill fit for either party, so why not join whichever one positioned him for election? (Which is what he did.) He's a weird mixture of an authoritarian, neoconservative, progressive capitalist.
It probably helps that, being a mayor and a billionaire, he can tell James Dobson, Grover Nordqvist and the national party to go fuck itself.
He's a consistent paternalist.
Time square was next on their hit list
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/25/17914667-boston-suspects-intended-second-attack-in-times-square-new-york-officials-say?lite
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 25, 2013, 06:06:19 PM
Time square was next on their hit list
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/25/17914667-boston-suspects-intended-second-attack-in-times-square-new-york-officials-say?lite
Shame it didn't happen.
I hate Time Square as much as anyone but that's in pretty poor taste.
Sounds like it wasn't as much of a plot as it was an improvisation, though.
Or a hatred of Guy Fieri's news resturant there.
Quote from: garbon on April 25, 2013, 08:19:18 PM
I hate Time Square as much as anyone but that's in pretty poor taste.
The only taste he has.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2013, 08:21:14 PM
Sounds like it wasn't as much of a plot as it was an improvisation, though.
The whole things strikes me of a string of "we could do this" sort of thoughts. The problem was that they COULD do some of it.
Beware Ukrainian math guys living in Jersey City. :ph34r: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/25/mykyta-panasenko-arrested_n_3158241.html?utm_hp_ref=new-york
Tsarnaevs siphoned over $100,000 in cash & other benefits.
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tsarnaev_family_received_100g_in_benefits
Perhaps we should consider increasing requirements for people who come here seeking asylum :hmm:
Siphoned from whom?
Quote from: katmai on April 30, 2013, 09:35:15 AM
Siphoned from whom?
Taxpayers. Forgot to provide linky but it's there now.
Quotea bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.
So, over the course of ten years, they received >$100,000. Basically, $10,000 a year for a family of five in food stamps, housing, and some cash (though probably not much of that, since it's hard to get cash at the worst of times).
Oh, the horror! Stop food stamps and housing benefits to immigrants NOW! Obviously, it breeds discontent and terrorists!
:rolleyes:
What a bonanza! :D
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
What a bonanza! :D
I bet all of that tax-payer money help fund their terrorist activities, too! :tinfoil:
Wait. Can you buy a pressure cooker with food stamps? :hmm:
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 10:06:42 AM
Quotea bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.
So, over the course of ten years, they received >$100,000. Basically, $10,000 a year for a family of five in food stamps, housing, and some cash (though probably not much of that, since it's hard to get cash at the worst of times).
Oh, the horror! Stop food stamps and housing benefits to immigrants NOW! Obviously, it breeds discontent and terrorists!
:rolleyes:
I know you love the concept of government handouts, so your reaction was totally expected.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 10:25:58 AM
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 10:06:42 AM
Quotea bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.
So, over the course of ten years, they received >$100,000. Basically, $10,000 a year for a family of five in food stamps, housing, and some cash (though probably not much of that, since it's hard to get cash at the worst of times).
Oh, the horror! Stop food stamps and housing benefits to immigrants NOW! Obviously, it breeds discontent and terrorists!
:rolleyes:
I know you love the concept of government handouts, so your reaction was totally expected.
I don't though.
How so?
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 10:16:50 AM
What a bonanza! :D
LOL, "siphoned". Directly from derfetus' bank account.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 10:25:58 AM
I know you love the concept of government handouts, so your reaction was totally expected.
I think the only totally expected reaction was your own. So, we have a case of one bad apple possibly abusing the welfare system, and your solution is to punish millions under that pretext? Yeah, that totally passes the smell test.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 10:31:56 AM
How so?
Past statements.
Do you have any examples? I don't think I secretly love handouts and welfare. :unsure:
They also had a fire arm. I don't suppose we'll punish millions of firearm owners as well.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 30, 2013, 10:41:25 AM
They also had a fire arm. I don't suppose we'll punish millions of firearm owners as well.
:XD:
Quote from: Razgovory on April 30, 2013, 10:41:25 AM
They also had a fire arm. I don't suppose we'll punish millions of firearm owners as well.
I bet you'd like that, nancy.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 09:34:32 AM
Perhaps we should consider increasing requirements for people who come here seeking asylum :hmm:
Maybe. But I have no idea what sorts of requirements presently exist or what sorts of increases would have caught these guys.
As for all the siphoning they did...we are probably going to siphon far more just sending our kids to public school no?
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 30, 2013, 10:41:25 AM
They also had a fire arm. I don't suppose we'll punish millions of firearm owners as well.
I bet you'd like that, nancy.
This conservative blind spot amuses me.
Quote from: Valmy on April 30, 2013, 11:14:29 AM
Maybe. But I have no idea what sorts of requirements presently exist or what sorts of increases would have caught these guys.
We could have denied their parents' request. They requested political asylum from Russia (where they both now live, oddly enough) and we gave it to them, despite the fact that Mr. Tsarnaev also held a Kyrgyzstan passport and could have settled there.
QuoteAs for all the siphoning they did...we are probably going to siphon far more just sending our kids to public school no?
Our kids belong here. And I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that they won't be terrorists.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
We could have denied their parents' request. They requested political asylum from Russia (where they both now live, oddly enough) and we gave it to them, despite the fact that Mr. Tsarnaev also held a Kyrgyzstan passport and could have settled there.
Hmmmm...that is weird. :hmm: Normally people who want to come have to get lucky at a lottery but we took them via asylum when they could have legally gone somplace else? I do not know much about that process but that does sound weird.
QuoteOur kids belong here. And I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that they won't be terrorists.
They better not :angry:
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
Our kids belong here. And I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that they won't be terrorists.
Unless they get into gun culture, in which case they'll end up in militias who bomb federal buildings.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 10:25:58 AM
I know you love the concept of government handouts, so your reaction was totally expected.
I do? How odd. I mean, I appreciate that our country is wealthy enough to help people get from Point A to Point B without dying of lack of food or exposure, yes, but "love the concept of government handouts" might be going a bit too far.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
Our kids belong here. And I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that they won't be terrorists.
Can you really?
*queue pictures of Timothy McVey, Columbine Killers, Unabomber, etc.
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
Unless they get into gun culture, in which case they'll end up in militias who bomb federal buildings.
Or maybe-- just maybe-- they'll become responsible gun owners like me, Seedy, 11B, Ed, and, uh, Cal.
Poor Cal. :lol:
Yeah. Cal.
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
Our kids belong here. And I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that they won't be terrorists.
Can you really?
*queue pictures of Timothy McVey, Columbine Killers, Unabomber, etc.
The Columbine guys weren't terrorists.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
Unless they get into gun culture, in which case they'll end up in militias who bomb federal buildings.
Or maybe-- just maybe-- they'll become responsible gun owners like me, Seedy, 11B, Ed, and, uh, Cal.
I don't accept that any of you are responsible.
How's that?
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
Unless they get into gun culture, in which case they'll end up in militias who bomb federal buildings.
Or maybe-- just maybe-- they'll become responsible gun owners like me, Seedy, 11B, Ed, and, uh, Cal.
I don't accept that any of you are responsible.
I keep my firearms locked up, and even submitted to federal authority for a collector's license :goodboy:
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 30, 2013, 12:37:25 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 12:36:31 PM
Quote from: Maximus on April 30, 2013, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
Our kids belong here.
In what way?
In the way that the Tsarnaevs didn't.
What way is that?
No further questions.
:lol:
Sorry, didn't know you didn't want your dogma challenged :(
Who am I kidding, I totally knew that.
Quote from: Maximus on April 30, 2013, 12:39:56 PM
Sorry, didn't know you didn't want your dogma challenged :(
Who am I kidding, I totally knew that.
Mind your own business, immigrant.
At least I earned my citizenship.
Daaayum. NATURALIZED BEAST MODE
Quote from: Maximus on April 30, 2013, 12:55:56 PM
At least I earned my citizenship.
Oh, you took a test and did a couple interviews. Big whoop.
I lived through the Carter administration. DON'T TELL ME I DIDN'T EARN IT
Wads of cash and reams of paperwork. It's not the way I would have set it up, but those were the rules.
As opposed to getting it handed to you just by being born. Practically anyone can get born.
Quote from: Maximus on April 30, 2013, 01:08:31 PM
As opposed to getting it handed to you just by being born. Practically anyone can get born.
Not since Roe v. Wade.
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 01:11:59 PM
Quote from: Maximus on April 30, 2013, 01:08:31 PM
As opposed to getting it handed to you just by being born. Practically anyone can get born.
Not since Roe v. Wade.
:rolleyes: Anyone alive today.
I think it would be hard to get born when you are already alive.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 01:04:07 PM
Quote from: Maximus on April 30, 2013, 12:55:56 PM
At least I earned my citizenship.
Oh, you took a test and did a couple interviews. Big whoop.
I lived through the Carter administration. DON'T TELL ME I DIDN'T EARN IT
Raised in a gated community. That's tough.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 30, 2013, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 01:04:07 PM
Quote from: Maximus on April 30, 2013, 12:55:56 PM
At least I earned my citizenship.
Oh, you took a test and did a couple interviews. Big whoop.
I lived through the Carter administration. DON'T TELL ME I DIDN'T EARN IT
Raised in a gated community. That's tough.
I thought we were poor because everyone else's dad was a doctor or CEO :(
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 01:11:59 PM
Quote from: Maximus on April 30, 2013, 01:08:31 PM
As opposed to getting it handed to you just by being born. Practically anyone can get born.
Not since Roe v. Wade.
Operative word there is "practically". ;)
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 01:31:44 PM
I thought we were poor because everyone else's dad was a doctor or CEO :(
:lol:
You sound like my best friend. She was absolutely certain that she was poor because her mother was a teacher and her father had an office job. We had to point out that "poor" people didn't spend their summers traversing Canada via rail and car, or every winter visiting the south.
It was particularly fun trying to explain the black and white aisle at the grocery store to her, or trying to describe government cheese. :P
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 01:44:33 PM
It was particularly fun trying to explain the black and white aisle at the grocery store to her
We didn't allow blacks to live in our town hence there was no need for such a setup. :)
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 01:44:33 PM
It was particularly fun trying to explain the black and white aisle at the grocery store to her, or trying to describe government cheese. :P
Now I did at one time have some government cheese. My grandma's sister, which I guess would be my great aunt, got in line for it even though she didn't technically qualify ("I'm payin' fer it-- I might as well get me some"). She sent some to my grandma and it was surprisingly good.
Quote from: Caliga on April 30, 2013, 01:57:15 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 01:44:33 PM
It was particularly fun trying to explain the black and white aisle at the grocery store to her
We didn't allow blacks to live in our town hence there was no need for such a setup. :)
:P
The Generic Aisle. :contract:
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
Our kids belong here. And I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that they won't be terrorists.
Can you really?
*queue pictures of Timothy McVey, Columbine Killers, Unabomber, etc.
The Columbine guys weren't terrorists.
Define terrorist
Max won't be a true American until he stops using Celsius. :P
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
:P
The Generic Aisle. :contract:
I knew what you meant. :sleep:
We used to call that the "No Frills" aisle.
Quote from: Caliga on April 30, 2013, 02:37:23 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
:P
The Generic Aisle. :contract:
I knew what you meant. :sleep:
We used to call that the "No Frills" aisle.
It was the Cost Cutter aisle at Kroger. And they had just about every type of product. I remember delinquents hanging out at the baseball field smoking Cost Cutter cigs.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 30, 2013, 02:33:02 PM
Max won't be a true American until he stops using Celsius. :P
I'm not a "true American". I'm an American citizen and I'm not content to let my country fall behind the rest of the world like that.
Quote from: Caliga on April 30, 2013, 02:37:23 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
:P
The Generic Aisle. :contract:
I knew what you meant. :sleep:
We used to call that the "No Frills" aisle.
I don't know anyone like racist Meri who calls it the black aisle. I do know about the black section though that just refers to the small set of black people hair products.
Actually do places actually have full aisles of store brand products? :unsure:
Most supermercados I've been to just put them next to the name brands. Here's your John Kerry ketchup, here's you store brand ketchup.
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 30, 2013, 02:37:23 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
:P
The Generic Aisle. :contract:
I knew what you meant. :sleep:
We used to call that the "No Frills" aisle.
I don't know anyone like racist Meri who calls it the black aisle. I do know about the black section though that just refers to the small set of black people hair products.
What the fuck are you talking about? :huh:
It was called the black and white aisle because it was ALL BLACK AND WHITE. Before you were born, generic was black and white.
For fuck's sake. :glare:
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
Most supermercados I've been to just put them next to the name brands. Here's your John Kerry ketchup, here's you store brand ketchup.
Yea that's my experience too. Never seen separate aisles for generics.
Next Meri is going to make some comment about where to find the Oreos.
:D
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 30, 2013, 04:20:24 PM
Next Meri is going to make some comment about where to find the Oreos.
:D
Well fuck. Sometimes black is just a fucking color!
Hey Meri, any advice on where to go for dead nigger storage? :)
And thus, a new Languish Meme is born. :hmm:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2013, 04:22:34 PM
Hey Meri, any advice on where to go for dead nigger storage? :)
:rolleyes:
Lighten up Francis, it was a joke. :D
Its funny how outraged the right was that people would use the Sandy Hook gun massacre as a reason to raise the issue of gun control. Yet those same people are ok with someone blowing up a bunch of people at a marathon to make really weak political points about immigration and...welfare?
Well, some of that outrage was just a simple coffee overdose.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
Most supermercados I've been to just put them next to the name brands. Here's your John Kerry ketchup, here's you store brand ketchup.
Same here, but I do remember back in the day Kroger having an aisle with only their store brand crap.
The nearest equivalent I can remember is back in the 80s some supermarkets tried out bulk bins of no-name cereal. Big plastic tub filled with CORN FLAKE or BRAN FLAKE you scooped out and put in a plastic bag. Stuff cost like 20 cents a pound and no one ever bought it.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2013, 04:36:45 PM
The nearest equivalent I can remember is back in the 80s some supermarkets tried out bulk bins of no-name cereal. Big plastic tub filled with CORN FLAKE or BRAN FLAKE you scooped out and put in a plastic bag. Stuff cost like 20 cents a pound and no one ever bought it.
I buy that stuff-- my kids aren't brand-conscious yet, so they enjoy their Fruit Rings, Cocoa Crunchies, and Apple Dapples without any suspicion whatsoever.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2013, 04:36:45 PM
The nearest equivalent I can remember is back in the 80s some supermarkets tried out bulk bins of no-name cereal. Big plastic tub filled with CORN FLAKE or BRAN FLAKE you scooped out and put in a plastic bag. Stuff cost like 20 cents a pound and no one ever bought it.
I can remember when bulk food bins were popular. Cant say I see them much anymore either.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2013, 04:36:45 PM
The nearest equivalent I can remember is back in the 80s some supermarkets tried out bulk bins of no-name cereal. Big plastic tub filled with CORN FLAKE or BRAN FLAKE you scooped out and put in a plastic bag. Stuff cost like 20 cents a pound and no one ever bought it.
We did. :Embarrass: We was teh poors.
My mom used to shop almost exclusively in the black and white aisle, which mortified me once I hit middle school. Luckily, it was around that time that they started making generic stuff more colorful and intermingling it in with the brand-name stuff.
mildly NSFW, language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9k09WPpNeo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9k09WPpNeo)
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
Most supermercados I've been to just put them next to the name brands. Here's your John Kerry ketchup, here's you store brand ketchup.
Same here, but I do remember back in the day Kroger having an aisle with only their store brand crap.
Speaking of Kroger's, the quality of their white brand merch seems to have dropped into the toilet in the past year.
Godawful now even.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2013, 04:22:34 PM
Hey Meri, any advice on where to go for dead nigger storage? :)
Jimmy's garage, clearly.
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 04:43:48 PM
My mom used to shop almost exclusively in the black and white aisle, which mortified me once I hit middle school. Luckily, it was around that time that they started making generic stuff more colorful and intermingling it in with the brand-name stuff.
Don't worry, Meri...I'm old enough to remember the "black & white" aisle at the old A&Ps and Acmes, too. :hug:
And it's not racist because it was the Carter Administration, and both blacks and whites wound up there. :lol:
Quote from: Maximus on April 30, 2013, 01:08:31 PM
Wads of cash and reams of paperwork. It's not the way I would have set it up, but those were the rules.
As opposed to getting it handed to you just by being born. Practically anyone can get born.
Hmm. When you said you "earned" you American citizenship, I thought you meant by sleeping with Meri. ;)
Quote from: garbonI think it would be hard to get born when you are already alive.
You can be born again. Don't believe me? Ask Jimmy Carter.
Quote from: dps on April 30, 2013, 06:22:36 PM
Hmm. When you said you "earned" you American citizenship, I thought you meant by sleeping with Meri. ;)
:pinch: :headshake:
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 30, 2013, 02:37:23 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
:P
The Generic Aisle. :contract:
I knew what you meant. :sleep:
We used to call that the "No Frills" aisle.
I don't know anyone like racist Meri who calls it the black aisle. I do know about the black section though that just refers to the small set of black people hair products.
What the fuck are you talking about? :huh:
It was called the black and white aisle because it was ALL BLACK AND WHITE. Before you were born, generic was black and white.
For fuck's sake. :glare:
:D
Btw, I was just returning the favor.
Quote from: dps on April 30, 2013, 06:22:36 PM
Hmm. When you said you "earned" you American citizenship, I thought you meant by sleeping with Meri. ;)
I didn't want to be crass but I was thinking something along the lines that it would be more impressive if he got it on his own.
Quote from: dps on April 30, 2013, 06:22:36 PM
You can be born again. Don't believe me? Ask Jimmy Carter.
I don't think that practically anyone can do that. That also doesn't get one American citizenship.
Quote from: dps on April 30, 2013, 06:22:36 PM
Hmm. When you said you "earned" you American citizenship, I thought you meant by sleeping with Meri. ;)
I'll let you in on a secret, he got to sleep with me before he ever thought about being an American citizen. ;)
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 08:23:30 PM
I'll let you in on a secret, he got to sleep with me before he ever thought about being an American citizen. ;)
Unpaid internship. :P
Ugh. Naturalized citizens. How uppity.
Indeed we should build fences to keep these unruly Canadians out.
I may vomit.
I'd imagine helping raise the brats was the tough part.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 30, 2013, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 30, 2013, 08:23:30 PM
I'll let you in on a secret, he got to sleep with me before he ever thought about being an American citizen. ;)
Unpaid internship. :P
:lol:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 30, 2013, 08:35:52 PM
I'd imagine helping raise the brats was the tough part.
:yes:
Well according to TBR he didn't do that good a job....
Quote from: katmai on April 30, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
Indeed we should build fences to keep these unruly Canadians out.
Hey we did re-up to require passports.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
Unless they get into gun culture, in which case they'll end up in militias who bomb federal buildings.
Or maybe-- just maybe-- they'll become responsible gun owners like me, Seedy, 11B, Ed, and, uh, Cal.
I don't accept that any of you are responsible.
I keep my firearms locked up, and even submitted to federal authority for a collector's license :goodboy:
But you do own a handgun, do you not?
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 30, 2013, 08:30:03 PM
Ugh. Naturalized citizens. How uppity.
:yes: :hmm: :mad:
You people should be treated like perioeci.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 30, 2013, 09:33:45 PM
You people should be treated like perioeci.
so says the wannabe frenchie.
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 08:54:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
Unless they get into gun culture, in which case they'll end up in militias who bomb federal buildings.
Or maybe-- just maybe-- they'll become responsible gun owners like me, Seedy, 11B, Ed, and, uh, Cal.
I don't accept that any of you are responsible.
I keep my firearms locked up, and even submitted to federal authority for a collector's license :goodboy:
But you do own a handgun, do you not?
Correct. Three, actually.
Only three? What a pussy.
:yes:
I've a duvet made of handguns.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/1/4289794/boston-police-arrest-three-more-marathon-bombing-suspects
I can't get the BPD page to load. Must be getting so hammered right now.
Yeah, they were removing items from the apartment, apparently.
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 09:56:58 PM
:yes:
I've a duvet made of handguns.
Not sure if serious. :unsure:
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 09:56:58 PM
:yes:
I've a duvet made of handguns.
Sounds cozy. I've heard that happiness is a warm gun!
Quote from: fahdiz on May 01, 2013, 12:05:05 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 09:56:58 PM
:yes:
I've a duvet made of handguns.
Sounds cozy. I've heard that happiness is a warm gun!
Bang, bang. Shoot, shoot.
You're not a girl that misses much.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 01, 2013, 12:27:50 PM
You're not a girl that misses much.
Mother Superior jumped the gun.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 08:54:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
Unless they get into gun culture, in which case they'll end up in militias who bomb federal buildings.
Or maybe-- just maybe-- they'll become responsible gun owners like me, Seedy, 11B, Ed, and, uh, Cal.
I don't accept that any of you are responsible.
I keep my firearms locked up, and even submitted to federal authority for a collector's license :goodboy:
But you do own a handgun, do you not?
Correct. Three, actually.
Then, you are not a responsible person, atleast in Neil's world.
WE ALL LIVE IN IT.
They must have something on them since they've arrested them, not just taking them in for questioning. I guess that could change though? Whether there are more people involved or not, some pundits were saying right away that the brothers acted alone, while no one had any info yet, the investigation just getting started. That seems to be the standard catch-phrase after every bombing or attack.
Quote from: KRonn on May 01, 2013, 01:23:23 PM
They must have something on them since they've arrested them, not just taking them in for questioning. I guess that could change though? Whether there are more people involved or not, some pundits were saying right away that the brothers acted alone, while no one had any info yet, the investigation just getting started. That seems to be the standard catch-phrase after every bombing or attack.
Its good police work to make sure other suspects were not alerted to the possibility they were being investigated. There may even have been police sources feeding the pundits that line to make sure.
Boston Fire Chief 'Failed' Marathon Test: Deputies
Quote(Newser) – Boston Fire Department Chief Steve Abraira failed to take charge at the Boston Marathon bombing scene, and is hence unfit for the job, all 13 of the department's deputy chiefs have declared. In a letter to the mayor obtained by the Boston Herald , the deputies say Abraira became a "ghost fire chief" in the crisis. "At a time when the City of Boston needed every first responder to take decisive action, Chief Abraira failed to get involved in operational decision-making or show any leadership," they complain. "You can unequivocally consider this letter a vote of no confidence in Chief Abraira," the letter concludes.
Abraira, for his part, expressed bewilderment, saying there was "no reason" for him to step in during the disaster and that he's more of an administrator than an on-the-ground commander. "Quite honestly, I thought everything was going very well with the deputies at the scene," he says. The Herald notes that the former Dallas fire chief, who was Boston's first hire for the top slot from outside its own ranks, in 2012 changed a long-running policy that commanded the highest-ranking chief to take charge at incident scenes; he says the move put Boston in compliance with national standards.
Quote from: 11B4V on May 15, 2013, 01:15:57 PM
Boston Fire Chief 'Failed' Marathon Test: Deputies
Quote(Newser) – Boston Fire Department Chief Steve Abraira failed to take charge at the Boston Marathon bombing scene, and is hence unfit for the job, all 13 of the department's deputy chiefs have declared. In a letter to the mayor obtained by the Boston Herald , the deputies say Abraira became a "ghost fire chief" in the crisis. "At a time when the City of Boston needed every first responder to take decisive action, Chief Abraira failed to get involved in operational decision-making or show any leadership," they complain. "You can unequivocally consider this letter a vote of no confidence in Chief Abraira," the letter concludes.
Abraira, for his part, expressed bewilderment, saying there was "no reason" for him to step in during the disaster and that he's more of an administrator than an on-the-ground commander. "Quite honestly, I thought everything was going very well with the deputies at the scene," he says. The Herald notes that the former Dallas fire chief, who was Boston's first hire for the top slot from outside its own ranks, in 2012 changed a long-running policy that commanded the highest-ranking chief to take charge at incident scenes; he says the move put Boston in compliance with national standards.
Makes sense. If they get rid of him, most likely one of them will get the top job next. If not, it'll probably go to an outsider.
Quotein 2012 changed a long-running policy that commanded the highest-ranking chief to take charge at incident scenes; he says the move put Boston in compliance with national standards.
Oh, that's some bullshit right there. :lol:
One would think you have a degree in Emergency Management. :hmm:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 15, 2013, 04:38:35 PM
One would think you have a degree in Emergency Management. :hmm:
:D
:lol:
Everything I know I read off the back of the cereal box in the morning.
And he wonders why no bites in job market :zipped:
Yeah he should count that as having been educated in emergency management.
What the hell?
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to-boston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite
QuoteA man with ties to the Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot and killed by an FBI agent while being questioned in Florida, law enforcement officials said on Wednesday.
The man who was shot, Ibragim Todashev, 27, was not suspected of having played any role in the bombing that killed three people and injured scores more in April, they said.
Instead, law enforcement officials said Todashev was being questioned as part of the FBI's effort to find and talk to anyone who had any contact with Tsarnaev, the older bombing suspect.
Todashev, they say, had spent some time in the Boston area, where he was a cage fighter, and knew Tsarnaev there. Investigators were also looking at whether Todashev might have had any role in a triple murder in 2011, in which three men were murdered in an apartment in Waltham, Mass.
Their throats had been cut, and their bodies were covered with marijuana. No suspects have been arrested in that case.
Officials say FBI agents were questioning Todashev on Tuesday. He was cooperative at first, they say, but late Tuesday night, he attacked the agent, who shot and killed him.
The officials say Todashev had some connections with radical Chechen rebels, but they say it's not clear whether he had any role in radicalizing Tsarnaev.
"We are currently responding to a shooting incident involving an FBI special agent," FBI Special Agent Dave Couvertier said in a statement to NBC News.
"The incident occurred in Orlando, Florida. The agent encountered the suspect while conducting official duties," Couvertier said. "We do not have any further details at this time. We expect to have more information later this morning."
A spokesman for the Orlando Police Department referred all questions to the FBI.
An FBI incident review team was dispatched from Washington, D.C., and was expected to arrive in Orlando within 24 hours, Couvertier said on Wednesday morning.
Sounds like a Clarice Starling Scenario. Tripped over something accidentally during a routine follow up.
IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE PRESSURE COOKER
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 22, 2013, 09:06:00 AM
A spokesman for the Orlando Police Department referred all questions to the FBI.
:lol:
You bet they are.
Reuters - "Hey, so you know anything about that FBI shooting."
OPD - "Nope, and we don't wanna' either. This is all on them. Give them a ring."
I was just going to say it sounds like he tripped and fell on some bullets.
He was shot trying to escape.
Quote from: Brazen on May 22, 2013, 09:14:00 AM
I was just going to say it sounds like he tripped and fell on some bullets.
Suicide. Shot himself in the back several times.
Quote from: merithyn on May 22, 2013, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 22, 2013, 09:06:00 AM
A spokesman for the Orlando Police Department referred all questions to the FBI.
:lol:
You bet they are.
That's goddamned right.
Turns out they were involved in that triple murder
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to-boston-bombing-suspect-admits-role-in-2011-murders-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite
Aspiring MMA fighters involved in the drug trade and violent crime? There's a shocker :o
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 22, 2013, 05:14:20 PM
Turns out they were involved in that triple murder
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to-boston-bombing-suspect-admits-role-in-2011-murders-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite
:blink: Didn't know they were capable of this.