The Slopestyle qualifications was earlier today so I guess it's only right to start a thread about it. US favourite, and possibly the only American winter sports star known outside the US, Shaun White didn't participate because the course was too unsafe in his opinion.
Some crazy Canadian dude landed first position with an impressive second run. The Russian didn't qualify. Поехали!
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Oh, and obviously the twitter account @SochiProblems has more followers than the official @Sochi2014. :lol:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116511/sochi-olympics-spark-nationalism-outrage-circassians
QuoteSochi Is Haunted by the Ghosts of a Forgotten Genocide - The Winter Olympics arrive 150 years after an ethnic cleansing
Beginning Friday night, hundreds of millions of people will tune in to the Winter Olympics, which Russia hopes will prove to the world that the country has re-emerged as a world power after its long, post-Soviet funk—and that Sochi itself deserves "international resort" status. Elided from this narrative, though, is what took place in exactly the same spot 150 years ago, when Sochi's indigenous residents were routed by the Imperial Russian Army, the survivors herded onto ships and exiled, never to return.
Unacknowledged by Vladimir Putin's government, the ethnic cleansing of the mostly-Muslim Circassians is considered Europe's first modern genocide by many historians, and provides a gloomy backdrop to the Olympic glamour in this subtropical city—not least for surviving Circassians who are furious over being excluded from the celebration in Sochi.
Circassians have lived on the Black Sea coast since at least the time of the ancient Greeks. They have their own language, but at the time of the Russian invasion they were largely illiterate—they had no Anne Frank, no one who recorded the details of their destruction. The closest equivalent was an anonymous Circassian who sent an appeal to Queen Victoria, dated April 12, 1864.
"It is now more than 80 years since the Russian government is unlawfully striving to subdue and annex to its dominions Circassia," reads the letter, an odd-shaped piece of cheap paper with wobbly lines of Ottoman Turkish, signed simply "the Circassian nation." "It slaughters like sheep the children, helpless women, and old men that fall into its hands. It rolls about their heads with the bayonet like melons, and there is no act of oppression or cruelty which is beyond the pale of civilisation and humanity, and which defies description, that it has not committed."
By the time that letter reached the diplomatic folder in London's National Archives, where it remains to this day, the Circassians' ruination was complete. As the Russian soldiers advanced, they drove civilians before them—a clever tactic, but a dreadful one. The population of the remaining Circassian-held territory rose, exhausting food supplies, spreading disease and undermining resistance. "Sometimes whole groups of emigrants froze or were carried away by blizzards, and we often noticed, going past, the traces of their blood. Wolves and bears dug through the snow and pulled human bodies from underneath it," wrote French adventurer Arthur de Fonvielle, who came to help the Circassian resistance but served only as a witness to its end.
The refugees huddled on the shore, where they awaited ships the Russians contracted to take them away. Without shelter or food, many died before they could board, while the journey across the Black Sea to the Ottoman Empire was horrible. De Fonvielle's ship was so tight-packed that the crew had to walk on the emigrants' heads to get to their places. Of his 346 fellow-passengers, 21 died during the four-day crossing. "If we had had to spend another 48 hours at sea, then more than half the passengers would probably have died," he wrote.
Their troubles were not over. The Ottoman government struggled to provide shelter and provisions for the immigrants, whose ships arrived daily and who overwhelmed the towns along the empire's coast: Trabzon, Samsun, Sinope, Varna (in modern-day Bulgaria), Kefken, and elsewhere. Hundreds died daily of typhus, smallpox, and other diseases, and were buried in mass graves. "The quarters in the vicinity of the cemeteries are rendered uninhabitable owing to the careless manner in which the dead are buried, and the offensive consequences thereof," wrote the British consul in Trabzon in February 1864, when the exodus was only just beginning. "The chief aqueduct which feeds the fountains of the town is tainted, a Circassian corpse having been found floating therein."
The death toll is unknown. Contemporary Russian accounts made a guess of around 300,000 out of a total Circassian population of a million. Some modern analyses suggest the toll was more than twice as high. When I visited Trabzon in 2008, I met an old man who remembered digging up innumerable human bones as a boy, in what is now a field of hazel trees. He said he and his father had thrown them into the sea.
The Ottoman government settled the survivors on marginal land in central Anatolia, in the Syrian Desert, in Galilee. The Ottoman Empire is long gone, but the Circassians remain where it put them, and they now number about five million. The largest group is in Turkey, but other communities survive in Syria, Jordan, Israel, Kosovo, and the United States (many of whom fled their homes in the Golan Heights when Israel captured it from Syria in 1967). Around 750,000 of them live in Russia, far inland and to the east of Sochi, descendants of the few Circassians who managed to stay behind.
The Cold War and feuds of the Middle East kept the diaspora disconnected until the advent of modern communications. Circassians in Israel told me about the thrill of hearing their music on Syrian radio in the 1960s. Now, they can chat to their lost cousins on Skype. "Connections among Circassians all over the world have significantly strengthened in the last 10 years, with the main factor being the arrival of the internet and modern communications," Ruslan Keshev, a Circassian activist in Russia, told me.
And now the Sochi Olympics have stimulated a re-awakening among Circassians. To hold the games in their homeland on the 150th anniversary of its sacking, and not even acknowledge that history, feels like a deliberate insult.
Circassian activists protested in Vancouver and London, outside the United Nations in New York, and outside the Russian consulate in Istanbul. This drew some media attention, but little sympathy from Russian officials. Police arrested Keshev and other Circassian activists in mid-December on charges of "extremist activity." "We hoped that the Olympics, as a symbol of peace and justice, would be the key to solving the problems of Sochi's native people, the Circassians who still live in exile, but our hopes were ill-founded," said Keshev.
But the only high-profile ally the Circassians have won is Doku Umarov, leader of the Islamist insurgence that has grown out of Chechnya's shattered independence bid, and whose allies recently blew themselves up in the city of Volgograd. "They plan to stage the Olympic Games on the bones of the many, many Muslims who died and are buried on our territory along the Black Sea. We, the Mujahedeen, must not allow this to happen," Umarov was quoted on his website as saying last summer.
The Circassians could do without such support, since they reject violence and activists' long-term goal is to regain their homeland. It's an ambitious aim, a kind of Caucasus Zionism, but the activists think it is feasible. "It might not be easy for the immigrants who are going to the Caucasus, that first generation, but their children are going to be fine. It'll just be like when my parents came to the U.S.," said Tamara Barsik, a Circassian-American who lives in New Jersey.
In the meantime, they'll have to watch the Sochi Olympics on television, like everyone else.
I've written three or four big papers on the Circassians, weird to see this having any kind of relevance.
Austrian chancellor Faymann will be at the opening ceremony. Right winger Strache will also visit the Olympics, because he says the Olympics should be about sports, not politics.
Austrian news this morning said that Austrian suppliers (like construction company Strabag) have earned €1.5 billion on the Olympics.
And they interviewed a couple of athletes who are super happy with their accommodations, are not bothered by the very smooth security and don't know what all the fuzz is about.
I don't think you can hold any major event in any part of Europe where you can't find some or other bloodshed if you run the clock back enough.
Denmark has officially given up. With our only chance of a medal being some sweepers we're throwing in our lot with Sweden. The commercial for the winter olympics here feature only the blue and yellow colours and has background music by Robyn.
Heja Sverige!
Quote from: Syt on February 07, 2014, 01:25:59 AM
And they interviewed a couple of athletes who are super happy with their accommodations, are not bothered by the very smooth security and don't know what all the fuzz is about.
To be fair, Canadian Athletes are saying the same things.
And in Russian news. Anyone remember t.A.T.u.? They're playing at the opening ceremony. How did they avoid imprisonment?
No terror attack yet/
Quote from: Liep on February 07, 2014, 06:58:25 AM
And in Russian news. Anyone remember t.A.T.u.? They're playing at the opening ceremony. How did they avoid imprisonment?
They are not really Lesbian?
Homosexuality is only a crime if it doesn't turn heterosexual men on.
Quote from: Syt on February 07, 2014, 01:25:59 AM
And they interviewed a couple of athletes who are super happy with their accommodations, are not bothered by the very smooth security and don't know what all the fuzz is about.
Austrians like the side by side toilets - who would have guessed?
http://youtu.be/MKP2UM_umas (http://youtu.be/MKP2UM_umas)
USA! USA! USA!
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 07, 2014, 07:11:08 AM
Quote from: Liep on February 07, 2014, 06:58:25 AM
And in Russian news. Anyone remember t.A.T.u.? They're playing at the opening ceremony. How did they avoid imprisonment?
They are not really Lesbian?
It still seems like propaganda though, but I think celed might be on to something. :P
Quote from: Syt on February 07, 2014, 01:25:59 AM
Right winger Strache will also visit the Olympics, because he says the Olympics should be about sports, not politics.
:)
Those stadiums look impressive. Opening ceremony now!
Outrageous. Tolstoy must share letter with television, but Chekhov beats Tchaikovsky for Ч, good!
One ring didn't expand and the olympic logo failed. I'm sure the western media will focus on that instead of the honestly quite good opening.
They weren't quite good. A ring failed & the Olympic Logo was not completed.
Vancouver had a similar mishap during their when a pillar that I believe Catrina le May Doan was at didn't rise when it was supposed to. They made light of it in the closing ceremonies when they had some clowns or something come out and pretend to fix it. I expect Russia's response to their mishap to be somewhat different.
Quote from: PRC on February 07, 2014, 11:50:52 AM
Vancouver had a similar mishap during their when a pillar that I believe Catrina le May Doan was at didn't rise when it was supposed to. They made light of it in the closing ceremonies when they had some clowns or something come out and pretend to fix it. I expect Russia's response to their mishap to be somewhat different.
I'm guessing execution or gulag.
Lol, almost everyone from the chinese delegation stopped and waved at Xi Jinping causing panic in the Russian officials. :D
India. :lol:
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Looks like gay propaganda to me.
A 2007 speech by Putin, in English, presenting Sochi's bid. He's rather intense. :ph34r:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aNo3DxWaW4
They're at the 1917 revolution in the ballet of Russian history. Malevitj ohoy!
I had never imagined that the TROLOLOLO song would feature.
Austrian TV is showing the opening ceremony on commercial station ATV which doesn't have an online stream. And I'm too lazy to turn on the TV.
We don't get the opening ceremony on TV until 7:30pm, a little over 6 hours from now.
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2014, 01:12:59 PM
We don't get the opening ceremony on TV until 7:30pm, a little over 6 hours from now.
You have something to look forward to. The historic parade was sensational.
Meanwhile ...
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/5-awful-stories-you-havent-heard-about-winter-olympics/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=new+article&wa_ibsrc=fanpage
Quote5 Awful Stories You Haven't Heard About the Winter Olympics
[Dubious claim, it's more a "let's recap" - Syt]
Good news, figure skating fans: The Winter Olympics are starting this week in the Russian city of Sochi! You can look forward to two weeks of people in tight jumpsuits spinning and sleds being used for things that would blow Charles Foster Kane's mind. Oh, and also, soul-killing clandestine bullshit.
See, all Olympics have unexpected horrors they don't want you to know about, but this being Russia, they just had to take it to another level.
#5. Sochi's Mayor Says the City Is Magically Gay-Free
The big controversy over the last several months leading up to the games has been Russia's anti-gay laws and fears that homosexual athletes and visitors would be harassed or even jailed while in the country. But that's all been smoothed over, right?
Well, while Russian president/Legion of Doom member Vladimir Putin is trying to downplay that whole "Russia is super homophobic" thing with the tried and true "But I have gay friends!" defense, the mayor of the city where the games are being held had another strategy. Sochi can't be homophobic, he says, because no gays exist there. Homosexual impulses have been magically vanished from the entire 340,000-inhabitant city, because they're "not accepted here" and "we do not have them." Never mind the fact that there are actually a few gay clubs in Sochi.
Meanwhile, Putin has reassured gay visitors that they'll be fine as long as they "leave children alone." See? The government isn't anti-gay, they just think all homosexuals are pedophiles.
#4. Russia Is Expanding Its Borders and Kicking People Out to Make Space for the Olympics
Of course, every Olympics involves building a bunch of new venues (many of which will be left to rot after the games are over). To make room for that stuff in Sochi, they had to displace a few homeowners (around 2,000) who were told one day in 2012 that they'd have to sell their property to the government to make the Olympic dream come true. But maybe "sell" should be in quotes there, as some families say they were simply kicked to the street without getting anything from the authorities: no money, no place to stay, not even free Sochi tickets.
Meanwhile, Russia's neighbors in Georgia say Putin illegally expanded his territory into the autonomous region of Abkhazia to "prevent terrorism," which involves forcing the people who live there to carry ID cards and put up with Russian tanks at their doorstep. Well, that should quell any violent impulses a potential terrorist might have, right?
#3. Shady Contractors Are Using the Olympics to Get Rich
The reason the 2014 Winter Games are being held in Sochi is because in 2007 the Russians outbid all of the other countries seeking to host them with a staggering $12 billion budget proposal. Seven years later, those $12 b's have somehow turned into over $50 billion, making these the most expensive Olympics ever ... while including way fewer events.
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So what happened? Soviet-esque government corruption. Critics claim that Putin hired longtime buddies as contractors, thus allowing them to artificially inflate their requests for funding. One contractor, Arkady Rotenberg, who happens to be Putin's childhood friend and judo sparring partner, was issued $4.5 billion for construction projects, probably because he's the best at fake-losing to Putin's bear-wrestling jabs. For that much money, you'd think Sochi's streets would end up paved in solid diamonds, but just two weeks before the events, this is what the Olympic Village looked like:
#2. Sochi Will Be the Most Unfun Olympics Ever for Visitors
For all the money Russia spent, they might not even be able to fill the stands. With just a few weeks to go before the Olympics, only 70 percent of the tickets have been sold (for comparison, 97 percent of the tickets in the Vancouver Olympics were sold, and that was in Vancouver). Add that to the Russian people's characteristic don't-give-a-fuck quality, and these might be the blandest Olympics ever.
But hey, giant scary faces staring at you!
It probably doesn't help that you can't fly to Sochi itself. Tourists have to fly into an adjacent city and then take a train -- where they are most likely to be attacked by terrorists.
Wait, did we forget to mention that? Yeah, there's a looming terrorist threat, due to the date and location of the games. That's kind of what happens when you set the Olympics right near the Caucasus Mountains, and on the 150th anniversary of an ethnic cleansing (read: motherfucking massacre) performed there by the Russians.
#1. Local Authorities Are Treating Animals Like Shit, People Like Animals
Last year, controversy arose when Sochi authorities announced that they would rid the streets of stray pets before the Olympics started by rounding them up and murdering them. They relented from this due to the bad publicity, then apparently turned around and did it anyway while no one was looking. They also haven't hesitated to abuse other species, like whales (two captured orcas will be displayed during the games) or, you know, humans.
Yeah, the same construction workers who were making all those fancy sites we talked about earlier say that when they complained about being paid less than half of what they had been promised, police officers beat them with crowbars, sexually assaulted them, and forced them to confess to crimes they didn't commit.
And when the construction was over? Then hundreds of migrant workers were rounded up for deportation, with officials blatantly lying and making up charges. Maybe they couldn't clean up the streets from all those filthy dogs, but at least they got rid of all the brown people.
So let's all cheer for the Olympics, and celebrate the gold medal champion in figure lube racing or whatever that shit's called. Hoorah!
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2014, 01:12:59 PM
We don't get the opening ceremony on TV until 7:30pm, a little over 6 hours from now.
The solution is too trick your internet to being in Canada & then watch ALL of the Olympics on cbcolympics.ca
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Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2014, 01:12:59 PM
We don't get the opening ceremony on TV until 7:30pm, a little over 6 hours from now.
The solution is too trick your internet to being in Canada & then watch ALL of the Olympics on cbcolympics.ca
So the Toronto access point on my VPN service might come in handy?
Quote from: Liep on February 07, 2014, 01:09:52 PM
I had never imagined that the TROLOLOLO song would feature.
It's a little more upbeat than Kobeiniki.
Quote from: Liep on February 07, 2014, 01:24:53 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 07, 2014, 01:21:57 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2014, 01:12:59 PM
We don't get the opening ceremony on TV until 7:30pm, a little over 6 hours from now.
The solution is too trick your internet to being in Canada & then watch ALL of the Olympics on cbcolympics.ca
So the Toronto access point on my VPN service might come in handy?
That's why it's there. Every 2 years for a 2weeks period. Everyone wants to be Canadian.
I don't know what I found more problematic about that article, Syt; the bullshit Georgian Nationalist line, or shitting on Vancouver of all places. What did Vancouver ever do to deserve that scorn?
What's wrong with Georgian nationalism?
In this specific case it was anti-Abkhaz and anti-Ossetian.
Quote from: Queequeg on February 07, 2014, 01:31:18 PM
I don't know what I found more problematic about that article, Syt; the bullshit Georgian Nationalist line, or shitting on Vancouver of all places. What did Vancouver ever do to deserve that scorn?
I guess what I found the most problematic was the claim that, on Feb 6, 2014, it was "just a few weeks to go before the Olympics." If the author doesn't know the difference between "hours" and "weeks," I don't trust him or her to get much else right.
CRASH! Poor guy, could hardly leave the stadium but he managed.
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Quote from: Queequeg on February 07, 2014, 01:31:18 PM
I don't know what I found more problematic about that article, Syt; the bullshit Georgian Nationalist line, or shitting on Vancouver of all places. What did Vancouver ever do to deserve that scorn?
I guess what I found the most problematic was the claim that, on Feb 6, 2014, it was "just a few weeks to go before the Olympics." If the author doesn't know the difference between "hours" and "weeks," I don't trust him or her to get much else right.
I guess that might have been a typo and should read "had been sold"? After all, in the opening paragraph it says, "The Winter Olympics are starting this week".
XXII written in fireworks and a pan of the olympic village. I'm rating this one of the best opening ceremonies I've ever seen.
Princess Anne leading the British delegation at the opening ceremony :lol:
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Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2014, 01:33:58 PM
What's wrong with Georgian nationalism?
It's nationalism.
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 07, 2014, 02:13:38 PM
Princess Anne leading the British delegation at the opening ceremony :lol:
:wub:
:mellow:
Quote from: celedhring on February 07, 2014, 07:15:35 AM
Homosexuality is only a crime if it doesn't turn heterosexual men on.
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So the warm-up act was Russian police doing their cover of Get Lucky:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P08B_lBUL0E#t=25
Syt:
:mmm:
They need to have that Ukrainian dude that did the scene things with the sand.
Did they have Panzer III's busting into the arena when they got to WWII? Please say yes.
I really wish the IOC would drop the notion of hosting the Games in third world countries.
Although, the games in Brazil oughta be a real hoot.
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 07, 2014, 03:21:49 PM
So the warm-up act was Russian police doing their cover of Get Lucky:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P08B_lBUL0E#t=25
That was painful.
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2014, 03:34:35 PM
Did they have Panzer III's busting into the arena when they got to WWII? Please say yes.
According to a commentator they skipped WW2. They did have Natasha's first ball from War & Peace, though. :P
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Holy shit. That's seriously fucking impressive.
Quote from: Queequeg on February 07, 2014, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 07, 2014, 03:21:25 PM
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Holy shit. That's seriously fucking impressive.
Aye, that and the whole 1917 revolution intro was my favourite, although the War & Peace ballet wasn't bad either. And it actually bugs me that the picture on every front page will be that limp ring.
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#2. Sochi Will Be the Most Unfun Olympics Ever for Visitors
For all the money Russia spent, they might not even be able to fill the stands. With just a few weeks to go before the Olympics, only 70 percent of the tickets have been sold (for comparison, 97 percent of the tickets in the Vancouver Olympics were sold, and that was in Vancouver). Add that to the Russian people's characteristic don't-give-a-fuck quality, and these might be the blandest Olympics ever.
Not sure that poorer attendance would make it less fun for those actually there. Less crowding, and less stress on the transportation system, etc., overall, it might be more fun that way.
Quote from: dps on February 07, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
Not sure that poorer attendance would make it less fun for those actually there. Less crowding, and less stress on the transportation system, etc., overall, it might be more fun that way.
Down around 80-85%, maybe, but at 70% you're hovering just above "look left, look right- one of those seats will be empty" territory.
I'm through about Spain on a tape delay of the opening ceremony, and so far Bosnia of all countries is dominating the hottie competition.
If Ide were watching the Opening Ceremony portion showing the Soviet period...he'd spooge. :P
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Holy shit. That's seriously fucking impressive.
Looks like somebody wasn't being very careful with the sickle.
I'm all for gay rights and hating Putin and all that...but its really getting me how there is so much fuss about it with these olympics where you didn't quite see the same level of protest levelled at the considerably worse way China treats lots of its people.
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Waitwhat? NBC is advertising rt.com? :bleeding:
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Scenes from the "industrialization" part of the historical overview. Not pictured: starving Ukrainians.
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I watched the whole thing and it was great. :Embarrass:
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2014, 02:37:40 PM
:mellow:
Well European Nationalists generally are pretty terrible people in general. They have quite a nasty trackrecord.
Anyway what is wrong with thinking the opening ceremonies were great? I am glad those billions of dollars bought something.
Quote from: Valmy on February 08, 2014, 02:26:06 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2014, 02:37:40 PM
:mellow:
Well European Nationalists generally are pretty terrible people in general. They have quite a nasty trackrecord.
Anyway what is wrong with thinking the opening ceremonies were great? I am glad those billions of dollars bought something.
They could have bought some walls for the bathroom stalls. Even flimsy ones.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on February 08, 2014, 01:28:39 AM
I watched the whole thing and it was great. :Embarrass:
Man, it's kind of awesome that that's the consensus.
The slopestyle final is great, but that Norwegian guy was robbed, he clearly had the best run.
So I like the CBC website, but the female speedskating commentator is annoying as hell. High pitched Canadian = :bleeding:
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Quote from: Valmy on February 08, 2014, 02:26:06 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2014, 02:37:40 PM
:mellow:
Well European Nationalists generally are pretty terrible people in general. They have quite a nasty trackrecord.
Anyway what is wrong with thinking the opening ceremonies were great? I am glad those billions of dollars bought something.
They could have bought some walls for the bathroom stalls. Even flimsy ones.
If I were actually there, I'd agree. But as part of the TV audience, a good opening ceremony benefits us more.
Quote from: Liep on February 08, 2014, 06:50:27 AM
So I like the CBC website, but the female speedskating commentator is annoying as hell. High pitched Canadian = :bleeding:
That's Kristina Groves, our #1 distance speed skater.
Quote from: Liep on February 08, 2014, 04:54:01 AM
The slopestyle final is great, but that Norwegian guy was robbed, he clearly had the best run.
Maxence was the one who got robbed.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on February 08, 2014, 01:28:39 AM
I watched the whole thing and it was great. :Embarrass:
I think (quasi) autocratic countries have a real advantage in this sort of thing. Aside from the funding they seem to come up with, they don't need to represent a bunch of different groups or viewpoints in the history storylines.
Bruno Banani didn't come in last in the first luge run, but because of all the commentators talking about his name change he's still worth every cent I would think.
Some very good looking girls in the moguls freestyle.
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Quote from: Capetan Mihali on February 08, 2014, 01:28:39 AM
I watched the whole thing and it was great. :Embarrass:
I think (quasi) autocratic countries have a real advantage in this sort of thing. Aside from the funding they seem to come up with, they don't need to represent a bunch of different groups or viewpoints in the history storylines.
Not only that, but massive performances involving thousands of people are what autocratic regimes specialize at.
Canadian sisters dominate the freestyle moguls. They missed the sweep though leaving the third sister in 12th position.
A change of Avatar is in order
I always find myself rooting for the Canadians in these things. Well, the anglophone ones at least.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 02:47:45 PM
A change of Avatar is in order
I wonder why you allow the summer games to pass without an avatar change? :P
Quote from: alfred russel on February 08, 2014, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 02:47:45 PM
A change of Avatar is in order
I wonder why you allow the summer games to pass without an avatar change? :P
The longer you go after shedding your fake alias the more the dorsey idiocy returns.
Look at my forum name....
I don't see the point of skiatholon, other than to increase events. It should just be: here's the course, go as fast as you can.
And the thing where they ski off metal rails is the most deeply retarded X game event ever imported into the Olympics.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
And the thing where they ski off metal rails is the most deeply retarded X game event ever imported into the Olympics.
About 25 years ago most ski hills banned snow boards because the old folks thought it was the most deeply retarded thing they ever saw.
I assume that you dont get up on ski hills that much Yi. If you did you would see most the the under 25 crowd was spending most of their time "skiing" off those metal rails.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 04:22:23 PM
The longer you go after shedding your fake alias the more the dorsey idiocy returns.
Look at my forum name....
Citing craziness as the reason for making decisions is a cop-out. :P
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 04:48:16 PM
About 25 years ago most ski hills banned snow boards because the old folks thought it was the most deeply retarded thing they ever saw.
I assume that you dont get up on ski hills that much Yi. If you did you would see most the the under 25 crowd was spending most of their time "skiing" off those metal rails.
And I would still think it's a retarded Olympic event.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 04:48:16 PM
About 25 years ago most ski hills banned snow boards because the old folks thought it was the most deeply retarded thing they ever saw.
I assume that you dont get up on ski hills that much Yi. If you did you would see most the the under 25 crowd was spending most of their time "skiing" off those metal rails.
And I would still think it's a retarded Olympic event.
It's okay, my generation think this is retarded, but it'll probably be an olympic event soon.
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 04:48:16 PM
About 25 years ago most ski hills banned snow boards because the old folks thought it was the most deeply retarded thing they ever saw.
I assume that you dont get up on ski hills that much Yi. If you did you would see most the the under 25 crowd was spending most of their time "skiing" off those metal rails.
And I would still think it's a retarded Olympic event.
Why? It takes a tremendous amount of skill.
Quote from: fhdz on February 08, 2014, 05:32:10 PM
Why? It takes a tremendous amount of skill.
I don't like athletic events you win on "style."
Quote from: Liep on February 08, 2014, 05:13:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 04:48:16 PM
About 25 years ago most ski hills banned snow boards because the old folks thought it was the most deeply retarded thing they ever saw.
I assume that you dont get up on ski hills that much Yi. If you did you would see most the the under 25 crowd was spending most of their time "skiing" off those metal rails.
And I would still think it's a retarded Olympic event.
It's okay, my generation think this is retarded, but it'll probably be an olympic event soon.
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To complete the analogy that must mean that lots of people 25 and under are riding those where you live. I would move if I was you.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: fhdz on February 08, 2014, 05:32:10 PM
Why? It takes a tremendous amount of skill.
I don't like athletic events you win on "style."
What I think you are saying is you dont like sports where judgment from officials is required. That would remove a lot of sports from contention. But I grant you that it would eliminate the Americans cheating with the Russians...
QuoteFrench publication L'Equipe has reported that the United States and Russia struck a deal to mutually assure higher marks in the team event and in the ice dance, while also shutting out Canada from the gold in those competitions.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: fhdz on February 08, 2014, 05:32:10 PM
Why? It takes a tremendous amount of skill.
I don't like athletic events you win on "style."
I agree. If an event is scored by style points, it's not really a sport, even if it takes a lot of athletic skill.
You like your sports simple. I can understand that coming from you.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 05:45:39 PM
What I think you are saying is you dont like sports where judgment from officials is required. That would remove a lot of sports from contention. But I grant you that it would eliminate the Americans cheating with the Russians...
QuoteFrench publication L'Equipe has reported that the United States and Russia struck a deal to mutually assure higher marks in the team event and in the ice dance, while also shutting out Canada from the gold in those competitions.
Any reffed sport requires judgement from officials. What I meant is I don't like competitions that win on style, or prettiness, or aesthetics.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 05:43:40 PM
To complete the analogy that must mean that lots of people 25 and under are riding those where you live. I would move if I was you.
Well, under 20, but yes. And I will. Soon.
Watched a couple practice runs for the men's downhill. Announcer said in the longest jump the skiers are airborne for 110 yards. That's crazy.
Quote from: Liep on February 08, 2014, 02:38:29 PM
Canadian sisters dominate the freestyle moguls. They missed the sweep though leaving the third sister in 12th position.
just watched it, they did great! :)
I just love watching this sport :)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 05:45:39 PM
What I think you are saying is you dont like sports where judgment from officials is required. That would remove a lot of sports from contention. But I grant you that it would eliminate the Americans cheating with the Russians...
QuoteFrench publication L'Equipe has reported that the United States and Russia struck a deal to mutually assure higher marks in the team event and in the ice dance, while also shutting out Canada from the gold in those competitions.
Any reffed sport requires judgement from officials. What I meant is I don't like competitions that win on style, or prettiness, or aesthetics.
Ok, but that is not what was happening. They get X number of points for executing the points correctly. If it was just style, prettiness or aeasthetics you wouldnt be seeing all those amazing acrobatics.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 04:22:23 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 08, 2014, 03:32:24 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 02:47:45 PM
A change of Avatar is in order
I wonder why you allow the summer games to pass without an avatar change? :P
The longer you go after shedding your fake alias the more the dorsey idiocy returns.
Look at my forum name....
WHOOSH!
Glad to see home field advantage is paying off for the Russkies.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 05:45:39 PM
What I think you are saying is you dont like sports where judgment from officials is required. That would remove a lot of sports from contention. But I grant you that it would eliminate the Americans cheating with the Russians...
QuoteFrench publication L'Equipe has reported that the United States and Russia struck a deal to mutually assure higher marks in the team event and in the ice dance, while also shutting out Canada from the gold in those competitions.
Any reffed sport requires judgement from officials. What I meant is I don't like competitions that win on style, or prettiness, or aesthetics.
Ok, but that is not what was happening. They get X number of points for executing the points correctly. If it was just style, prettiness or aeasthetics you wouldnt be seeing all those amazing acrobatics.
I agree with CC. You can't just ignore that the winter sports that people actually do involve a lot of snowboards and tricks/acrobatics.
If we are going to cull winter sports, it would make a lot more sense to look at something like bobsled, skeleton, or luge. How many people actually do these sports, and how many would do them if not for the Olympics (for the record, I don't think we need to cull those)? Your medalists in the snowboard events are extremely talented and are besting deep talent pools, whereas we may end up with medalists in bobsledding that took up the sport a couple years ago because it gave them a shot at an Olympic medal.
Where I would get behind culling in the winter games is on the standards for countries to get participants. It is painful to watch a bunch of warm weather countries with a rich guy or two that is not at international standards but probably bought his way into the Olympic games.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 08, 2014, 08:46:28 PM
It is painful to watch a bunch of warm weather countries with a rich guy or two that is not at international standards but probably bought his way into the Olympic games.
That's pretty ironical, what with somebody with a University of Miami football avatar. Even if it is the Most Reverend Ray Ray.
Quote from: katmai on February 08, 2014, 08:37:04 PM
Glad to see home field advantage is paying off for the Russkies.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians had an Ivan Drago style training program for these games. Putin probably wants to do whatever it takes to make sure they don't win just 3 gold medals here (or whatever it was in Vancouver).
Quote from: katmai on February 08, 2014, 08:37:04 PM
Glad to see home field advantage is paying off for the Russkies.
Under penalty of imprisonment? Hellski yeahski.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 08, 2014, 08:49:28 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 08, 2014, 08:46:28 PM
It is painful to watch a bunch of warm weather countries with a rich guy or two that is not at international standards but probably bought his way into the Olympic games.
That's pretty ironical, what with somebody with a University of Miami football avatar. Even if it is the Most Reverend Ray Ray.
Cheating to win is one thing. But exploiting the rules so you can wear a Mariachi costume while getting curbstomped on the ski slopes is just embarrassing. Ray Ray and Uncle Luke would never get behind that.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 08, 2014, 08:42:25 PM
I agree with CC. You can't just ignore that the winter sports that people actually do involve a lot of snowboards and tricks/acrobatics.
If we followed this logic we'd eliminate everything except tennis, basketball, soccer, and jogging. When was the last time you ran the hurdles or pole vaulted?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 08, 2014, 08:42:25 PM
I agree with CC. You can't just ignore that the winter sports that people actually do involve a lot of snowboards and tricks/acrobatics.
If we followed this logic we'd eliminate everything except tennis, basketball, soccer, and jogging. When was the last time you ran the hurdles or pole vaulted?
I'm not sure what logic you are following, considering I said that I'm not in favor of culling any of the sports mentioned.
However, I see people running hurdles all the time. I work out at a high school with an open track, and they usually have a lane or two with hurdles set up (I presume most of the people using them are high school athletes training). There is also an area set up for pole vault, though while I have never seen it used, there must be a team.
I have no idea what the numbers look like, but I wouldn't be shocked if the number of people who have experience running hurdles exceeds those with experience snowboarding. I do know I'd be pissed off if hurdles was removed from the summer games because I think that is a legit sport with a healthy level of participation.
If you want a sport I wouldn't object to removing from the games, lets start with dressage.
Yi, I also strenuously object to any insinuation that I am a jogger. I am a runner. I just don't run very fast.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 08, 2014, 09:31:59 PM
Yi, I also strenuously object to any insinuation that I am a jogger. I am a runner. I just don't run very fast.
i was not insinuating anything about you personally. I was operating under the mistaken assumption you thought only sports with mass participation should be featured in the Olympics.
If there are events to be cut, it should be the non sport ones, like fucking figure skating.
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 08, 2014, 10:00:17 PM
If there are events to be cut, it should be the non sport ones, like fucking figure skating.
Where am I going to watch jailbait on TV then?
The Russian figure skater looks like she's 9.
:boner:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 08, 2014, 08:42:25 PM
I agree with CC. You can't just ignore that the winter sports that people actually do involve a lot of snowboards and tricks/acrobatics.
If we followed this logic we'd eliminate everything except tennis, basketball, soccer, and jogging. When was the last time you ran the hurdles or pole vaulted?
Time for Olympic golf and bowling!
:lol:
Anna Gasser had to restart her run but couldn't climb back the start ramp, so her coach jumped to the rescue but when push came to shove he didn't know where to push her as he realised he'd had to grab her ass to actually help her, so instead he just stood behind her watching her slip. Poor guy.
Silje. :(
Great Britain wins its first ever olympic medal in a snow discipline. Jenny Jones gets bronze in slopestyle, Jamie Anderson deservedly wins.
Quote from: Liep on February 09, 2014, 05:31:39 AM
Great Britain wins its first ever olympic medal in a snow discipline. Jenny Jones gets bronze in slopestyle, Jamie Anderson deservedly wins.
USA! USA! USA!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2014, 04:28:49 PM
I don't see the point of skiatholon, other than to increase events. It should just be: here's the course, go as fast as you can.
Well, it's to challenge the runners to use different techniques and muscles. I mean, Ironman contenders don't just cycle the last 42 km even though that'd be faster.
Why would anyone want to cut any Olympic sports. We need MORE, always MORE.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 09, 2014, 08:30:52 AM
Why would anyone want to cut any Olympic sports. We need MORE, always MORE.
So they can build proper hotel rooms instead of another stadium, I guess.
The American Ice Dancing pair is really something to see. I also watched the women's biathalon on a live feed. I am amazed at how quickly they can get their heart rate down after racing so they can shoot with accuracy.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 08, 2014, 05:45:39 PMWhat I think you are saying is you dont like sports where judgment from officials is required.
I do find it a bit annoying for sports where the entire method of scoring is subjective points from judges. I mean sure soccer has refs who can give out red or yellow cards and call fouls and seriously impact the game but at the end of the day they do not watch both teams play and then vote on how many goals each team deserves based on the prettiness of their passing. But there is no other way really to have competitions based on Figure skating.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 09, 2014, 01:44:25 PM
The American Ice Dancing pair is really something to see. I also watched the women's biathalon on a live feed. I am amazed at how quickly they can get their heart rate down after racing so they can shoot with accuracy.
Biathlon is awesome.
Quote from: Valmy on February 09, 2014, 01:56:58 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 09, 2014, 01:44:25 PM
The American Ice Dancing pair is really something to see. I also watched the women's biathalon on a live feed. I am amazed at how quickly they can get their heart rate down after racing so they can shoot with accuracy.
Biathlon is awesome.
It really is; one of my favorites.
It is the James Bond event of winter sports :cool:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 09, 2014, 02:07:05 AM
Time for Olympic golf and bowling!
Is golf coming?
I don't think bowling is athletic enough to be a sport, and doesn't have the gravitas. The same reasons I don't think darts, croquet, and shuffleboard should be Olympic sports. I'd go on but I don't want to piss off BB.
Yes, golf is making a come back in Rio in 2016.
:bleeding: I don't even think golf should be a sport among golfers.
Hey now, I enjoy a round of golf.
Okay, I'm lying. I suck at it. Badly.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 09, 2014, 09:19:30 PM
Hey now, I enjoy a round of golf.
Okay, I'm lying. I suck at it. Badly.
I used to play golf when I was a kid, because all the other kids did (we lived in a village with the furthest north golf course on the mainland). I hated it then.
I'll probably never enjoy it now I've Benjamin Buttoned it :(
Edit: Oh and on the Winter Olympics the BBC commentators today had to struggle with someone called Andreas Wank :lol:
Putin visited the Austrian house in the Olympic village. Officially to see if all is fine for the athletes. Inofficially to visit Karl Schranz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Schranz). He met Putin in 2001 in the Alps and is one of the closest advisers for Putin on the Sochi Olympics and one of the strongest proponents of the games to be held there.
Channel 4's Gay Mountain tribute to the Winter Olympics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6RID82Ru-k&feature=em-hot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6RID82Ru-k&feature=em-hot)
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 09, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Edit: Oh and on the Winter Olympics the BBC commentators today had to struggle with someone called Andreas Wank :lol:
:lol:
During the skijump event our commentator had this quote: "a thought now for my BBC colleague who I can only imagine to be struggling with how to present this German jumper"
Are there any rules in short track? Didn't that American totally screw that Chinese fellow?
Quote from: Liep on February 10, 2014, 05:03:45 AM
Are there any rules in short track? Didn't that American totally screw that Chinese fellow?
And the women short trackers don't have the overdimensioned thighs that their long track colleagues suffer from.
Quote from: Liep on February 10, 2014, 05:03:45 AM
Are there any rules in short track? Didn't that American totally screw that Chinese fellow?
Lots. Officials review after the race if you comitted any fouls & penalize you then.
Quote from: Liep on February 10, 2014, 05:03:45 AM
Are there any rules in short track? Didn't that American totally screw that Chinese fellow?
I've always wondered that if the real goal is to beat the clock, why they'd shove a bunch of racers onto a narrow track at one time, and not have them skate separately.
The goal is to beat each other.
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 10, 2014, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: Liep on February 10, 2014, 05:03:45 AM
Are there any rules in short track? Didn't that American totally screw that Chinese fellow?
I've always wondered that if the real goal is to beat the clock, why they'd shove a bunch of racers onto a narrow track at one time, and not have them skate separately.
They have that, it's long track.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 10, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
The goal is to beat each other.
That's the goal of every sport...but they don't put the figure skaters or lugers all out at one time.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 10, 2014, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 10, 2014, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: Liep on February 10, 2014, 05:03:45 AM
Are there any rules in short track? Didn't that American totally screw that Chinese fellow?
I've always wondered that if the real goal is to beat the clock, why they'd shove a bunch of racers onto a narrow track at one time, and not have them skate separately.
They have that, it's long track.
I'm just saying, that the way it is, there is no point in having a clock at all, and might be better called "short track skate blocking". :P
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 10, 2014, 10:03:59 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 10, 2014, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 10, 2014, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: Liep on February 10, 2014, 05:03:45 AM
Are there any rules in short track? Didn't that American totally screw that Chinese fellow?
I've always wondered that if the real goal is to beat the clock, why they'd shove a bunch of racers onto a narrow track at one time, and not have them skate separately.
They have that, it's long track.
I'm just saying, that the way it is, there is no point in having a clock at all, and might be better called "short track skate blocking". :P
That's fair but time does provide an element of comparison between past, present & future events.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 09, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 09, 2014, 02:07:05 AM
Time for Olympic golf and bowling!
Is golf coming?
I don't think bowling is athletic enough to be a sport, and doesn't have the gravitas. The same reasons I don't think darts, croquet, and shuffleboard should be Olympic sports. I'd go on but I don't want to piss off BB.
:grr:
A sport needs
gravitas? How about throwing around 40 pound hunks of granite - that enough
gravitas for you?
Curling is an awesome TV spectator sports.
Plus, hot chicks.
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 10, 2014, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 10, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
The goal is to beat each other.
That's the goal of every sport...but they don't put the figure skaters or lugers all out at one time.
And those events are considerably less interesting than short track speed skating.
I have to say that all those Sochi Fail tweets have set up an unreasonable expectation. :(
Quote from: DGuller on February 10, 2014, 10:43:19 AM
I have to say that all those Sochi Fail tweets have set up an unreasonable expectation. :(
I haven't checked the feed since Saturday morning.
Woo! More Medals :)
I watched some of the downhill skiing. They go really fast. I admit, it was exciting to watch.
Downhill skiing is a pure sport. You start here, get to that line as fast as you can.
Also the wipeouts are great.
I was looking through all-time medal counts on Wikipedia and East Germany is *still* listed as 10th even though they only competed in 6 Winter Olympics and haven't even existed since 1990.
Quote from: derspiess on February 10, 2014, 03:59:03 PM
I was looking through all-time medal counts on Wikipedia and East Germany is *still* listed as 10th even though they only competed in 6 Winter Olympics and haven't even existed since 1990.
Should probably just roll East/West Germany into Germany.
Now figuring out how to divide up the Soviet Union into their respective modern states would be a little trickier (not to mention that post-fall "Unified" team).
Some very impressive moguls by the men - too bad we didnt sweep the podium but great performance by Bilodeau to repeat as Olympic champion. Didnt get to see the short track gold - but I did hear it was his weakest event so hopefully two more gold for him to come.
NBC Olympics streaming has got to be the clusterfuckiest clusterfuck I've ever come across on the web. Finding the stream to something that isn't the 2010 men's hockey final game is damn near impossible, especially if you don't want to accidentally run across the spoilers.
Go back to Russia, commie
How do you follow those slalom events? All I can make out is that you're supposed to hit the poles, but how do you tell a good pole hit from the one that automatically disqualifies you?
Did Bob Costas just drink vodka on TV? :blink: And without a zakuska? :blink: :blink:
Russkies have some hotties in woman's curling.
Quote from: DGuller on February 10, 2014, 09:14:15 PM
NBC Olympics streaming has got to be the clusterfuckiest clusterfuck I've ever come across on the web. Finding the stream to something that isn't the 2010 men's hockey final game is damn near impossible, especially if you don't want to accidentally run across the spoilers.
I've had no problems watching things. Is it NBC or your cable company that is suckiest of the suck?
Quote from: katmai on February 11, 2014, 01:37:52 AM
Quote from: DGuller on February 10, 2014, 09:14:15 PM
NBC Olympics streaming has got to be the clusterfuckiest clusterfuck I've ever come across on the web. Finding the stream to something that isn't the 2010 men's hockey final game is damn near impossible, especially if you don't want to accidentally run across the spoilers.
I've had no problems watching things. Is it NBC or your cable company that is suckiest of the suck?
I can watch it just fine once I find the link to all the replays. Finding the link to all the replays is what's nearly impossible (now that I found it again, through a link from some blog, I bookmarked it for good, but that was fucking ridiculous). Going to the main streaming page just gives you a hockey game from four years ago, and with no obvious link to the more current stuff.
Hmmm, i'm going through yahoo.com to nbc stream and giving me live plays of Curling and the Skiing slopestyle qualifications for women.
That slopestyle run by the Canadian girl was insane, most of the course was done backwards.
If Canadian athletes keep this up, they are going to shatter thru our Vancouver record.
The half pipe event is excellent, Shaun White is just 2-3 meters above the rest on height. Also the commentators are very good, funny and knowledgeable if a little homoerotic. The leopard patterned sweatshirt one of them is wearing might be a giveaway. :hmm:
Who's feed you watching Liep?
White so much better than everyone else, 4 more years nothing has changed.
The IOC has reprimanded the Norwegian delegation because their cross country skiers were wearing a mourning band to honor a just deceased brother of one of the athletes. It appears the IOC sees it as an expression of religious feelings which is not allowed under the Olympic Charter.
Quote from: DGuller on February 10, 2014, 11:16:09 PM
How do you follow those slalom events? All I can make out is that you're supposed to hit the poles, but how do you tell a good pole hit from the one that automatically disqualifies you?
You are actually supposed to go BETWEEN the poles. The poles are in pairs alternating black and white, so you are expected to go between each pair.
The ideal line though is almost always to go as close as possible to one of the poles, and the poles are often aligned vertically - so what it ends up looking like is that they are skiing into poles. And they are - but just because the "best path" is almost always to only go to one side or the other as far as possible to get to that next "gate".
A good pole hit is one where both skis get inside the pole, and a bad one is where one or both miss and hence the skier does not go through the gate, since "through" is defined by their skis.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 11, 2014, 08:51:44 AM
Who's feed you watching Liep?
White so much better than everyone else, 4 more years nothing has changed.
That one was from the Danish, even if the quality isn't as high as the Canadian stream the commentator makes up for it. His radioshow is also a favourite of mine.
For some reason, I want to play Epyx's Winter Games.
I'm old. :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 11, 2014, 09:31:24 AM
For some reason, I want to play Epyx's Winter Games.
I'm old. :(
I think during the 2010 Games a news site offered it online. Though it's not the same without a Competition Pro.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.richardlagendijk.nl%2Ffoto%2Fcip%2Fjoystick_competition_pro_01.jpg&hash=40d72289cbb30acf1da917c107329ea95a5d0aff)
(I have a USB knock off - not as good as the original, though.)
EPYX Games' series was awesome (Summer Games 1&2, World Games, California Games, Winter Games).
Quote from: Berkut on February 11, 2014, 09:26:51 AM
Quote from: DGuller on February 10, 2014, 11:16:09 PM
How do you follow those slalom events? All I can make out is that you're supposed to hit the poles, but how do you tell a good pole hit from the one that automatically disqualifies you?
You are actually supposed to go BETWEEN the poles. The poles are in pairs alternating black and white, so you are expected to go between each pair.
The ideal line though is almost always to go as close as possible to one of the poles, and the poles are often aligned vertically - so what it ends up looking like is that they are skiing into poles. And they are - but just because the "best path" is almost always to only go to one side or the other as far as possible to get to that next "gate".
A good pole hit is one where both skis get inside the pole, and a bad one is where one or both miss and hence the skier does not go through the gate, since "through" is defined by their skis.
With that explanation at hand, I watched a short replay again, and I think it's really tough to see where the pairs of poles are, at least from the angle of the TV camera. You see the pole they go around, but you don't see the matching pole that at least theoretically defines the other bound, which makes it hard to know which sides of the pole the skier is supposed to be on.
Quote from: katmai on February 11, 2014, 01:24:30 AM
Russkies have some hotties in woman's curling.
There are quite a few hotties in women's hockey(all countries) too, but the uniforms hide it all. :mad:
Quote from: Syt on February 11, 2014, 09:22:02 AM
The IOC has reprimanded the Norwegian delegation because their cross country skiers were wearing a mourning band to honor a just deceased brother of one of the athletes. It appears the IOC sees it as an expression of religious feelings which is not allowed under the Olympic Charter.
The IOC has also banned any references to Sarah Burke by althetes from a number of nations.
Who is Sarah Burke and why is the IOC trying to ban her memory? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/sports-video/video-who-is-sarah-burke-and-why-is-the-ioc-trying-to-ban-her-memory/article16777727/
Hmm. Winnipeg Jets goalie Ondrej Pavelec is part of the olympics for the Czech hockey team.
There are now reports that he won't even be dressed for their first game, the Czechs instead putting their faith in two goalies playing in the KHL. Pavelec's numbers have been bad for the Jets this year no doubt about it, but to be passed over for two players who can't even make it in the NHL? That's gotta hurt.
Pavelec sucks.
Winnipeg Jets /= real team. :(
The judges for this super pipe are ridiculous, the chinese riders are rated way too high. The Swiss have been robbed so far.
Shaun White went too high in his first run. 15 year old Japanese kid rules.
I like watching a combination of the CBC and NBC broadcasts. With the CBC I get to see all the competitors then whe NBC rolls around with its edited version I get to see some good athlete profiles. I was a bit surprised that NBC would spend so much time on Canadian athletes but they had some very nice pieces. Better than the CBC I would say. Its almost like the CBC doesnt want to sound too partisan.
Shame about Shaun White. I would have liked to see him go out on top.
Yeah, I guess this is a staple of Canadian olympic watching.
Watch CBC/SRC until you are fed up with competition & then switch to NBC for some in depth & interesting profiles.
I dunno, getting pretty tired of watching only what NBC decides I get to see.
Quote from: Maximus on February 11, 2014, 09:32:42 PM
I dunno, getting pretty tired of watching only what NBC decides I get to see.
VPNs are awesomes.
Quote from: Maximus on February 11, 2014, 09:32:42 PM
I dunno, getting pretty tired of watching only what NBC decides I get to see.
That's what I thought as well, hence why I was looking for online streaming. After watching online streams of the full events, though, I realized that they're utterly boring.
Quote from: Maximus on February 11, 2014, 09:32:42 PM
I dunno, getting pretty tired of watching only what NBC decides I get to see.
If I was restricted to only NBC I would feel the same way. But I can watch live feeds on a number of dedicated CBC feed channels - if there is an event I can watch the live feed - and then I can watch the CBC main Olympic channel.
I'm ready for Men's hockey to start. Little bored with all this ski.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 11, 2014, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 11, 2014, 10:08:55 PM
Little bored with all this ski.
You shall be purged.
No, I don't think Skiing will survive the proletariat revolution.
Our snowboarders have disgraced our country on the half pipe.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 11, 2014, 11:35:39 PM
Our snowboarders have disgraced our country on the half pipe.
^_^
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 11, 2014, 10:08:55 PM
I'm ready for Men's hockey to start. Little bored with all this ski.
I'm enjoying all the sports so far but i'm definitely ready for the puck to drop!
There is a poll on ESPN asking who will win the mens hockey gold. All 50 states answered USA. We got this.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 11, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
There is a poll on ESPN asking who will win the mens hockey gold. All 50 states answered USA. We got this.
The law of large numbers is definitely on our side. :)
Quote from: DGuller on February 11, 2014, 11:50:38 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 11, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
There is a poll on ESPN asking who will win the mens hockey gold. All 50 states answered USA. We got this.
The law of large numbers is definitely on our side. :)
Waiting for The Brain's fat-Americans joke... or is this his fat-Americans joke preempted? :hmm:
Quote from: alfred russel on February 11, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
There is a poll on ESPN asking who will win the mens hockey gold. All 50 states answered USA. We got this.
USA will take home the Silver.
Quote from: PRC on February 12, 2014, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 11, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
There is a poll on ESPN asking who will win the mens hockey gold. All 50 states answered USA. We got this.
USA will take home the Silver.
It's a shame CC doesn't like hockey, he'll have to take a week off from this thread and olympic covering :(
Holy shit - Great Britain put up a 7 ender against the US in women's curling. :o
Just a quick recap - in curling you get one point in an end for each rock that you have that is closer to the middle of the rings than any of your opponent's rocks. And each side only gets 8 rocks. So in that one end, Britain wound up with 7 rocks in the rings (out of a total of 8), while the US had none in the rings.
It's actually almost as remarkable because it means the US just curled really, really badly in that one end. No team at that level should be giving up a 7 ender. But still interesting to see.
Quote from: PRC on February 12, 2014, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 11, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
There is a poll on ESPN asking who will win the mens hockey gold. All 50 states answered USA. We got this.
USA will take home the Silver.
The difference last time was a Sidney Crosby goal. That won't happen again--not now that we know all we need to do is hit him high a couple times in the preliminaries.
Quote from: Barrister on February 12, 2014, 12:05:05 AM
Holy shit - Great Britain put up a 7 ender against the US in women's curling. :o
Just a quick recap - in curling you get one point in an end for each rock that you have that is closer to the middle of the rings than any of your opponent's rocks. And each side only gets 8 rocks. So in that one end, Britain wound up with 7 rocks in the rings (out of a total of 8), while the US had none in the rings.
It's actually almost as remarkable because it means the US just curled really, really badly in that one end. No team at that level should be giving up a 7 ender. But still interesting to see.
Fuck.
I have this dream that we dominate the medal count and Russia sucks and when it is all over Obama says "I want to thank my good friend Vlad for spending $50 billion on all those great facilities so we could kick his ass in style."
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on February 11, 2014, 11:59:10 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 11, 2014, 11:50:38 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 11, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
There is a poll on ESPN asking who will win the mens hockey gold. All 50 states answered USA. We got this.
The law of large numbers is definitely on our side. :)
Waiting for The Brain's fat-Americans joke... or is this his fat-Americans joke preempted? :hmm:
My jokes are works of art. You see in them what you want to see. :)
Quote from: alfred russel on February 12, 2014, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 12, 2014, 12:05:05 AM
Holy shit - Great Britain put up a 7 ender against the US in women's curling. :o
Just a quick recap - in curling you get one point in an end for each rock that you have that is closer to the middle of the rings than any of your opponent's rocks. And each side only gets 8 rocks. So in that one end, Britain wound up with 7 rocks in the rings (out of a total of 8), while the US had none in the rings.
It's actually almost as remarkable because it means the US just curled really, really badly in that one end. No team at that level should be giving up a 7 ender. But still interesting to see.
Fuck.
I have this dream that we dominate the medal count and Russia sucks and when it is all over Obama says "I want to thank my good friend Vlad for spending $50 billion on all those great facilities so we could kick his ass in style."
At the moment, USA and Russia are tied with 7 medals.
Norway is in the lead with 11, with is hugely surprising unless you've watched the winter Olympics before.
What is surprising, shocking even, is Canada is in second with 9 medals, including 4 gold. :o
Quote from: Barrister on February 12, 2014, 12:25:11 AM
Norway is in the lead with 11, with is hugely surprising unless you've watched the winter Olympics before.
:D
Canada and Norway. You never know what they are doing up there. You figure they are trying to stay warm, and probably digging to find their driveways and fossil fuels. But they never really do anything notable, so you forget about them most of the time.
And then the Winter Olympics come, and you realize while you were ignoring them, they were probably practicing winter sports. And now you are behind both of them in the medals, even though their combined populations are like 1/8th of yours. And you are supposed to be the world superpower.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 12, 2014, 12:40:04 AM
Canada and Norway. You never know what they are doing up there. You figure they are trying to stay warm, and probably digging to find their driveways and fossil fuels. But they never really do anything notable, so you forget about them most of the time.
And then the Winter Olympics come, and you realize while you were ignoring them, they were probably practicing winter sports. And now you are behind both of them in the medals, even though their combined populations are like 1/8th of yours. And you are supposed to be the world superpower.
In Norway's defence, their population is more like 1/50th of yours.
When it comes to Canada... In 2010, we had the 3rd most medals. But before that in 2006 we were 5th, 1998 and 2002 we were 4th, 1994 we were 7th, 1992 we were 9th, 1988 (in Calgary!) we were 13th, with no golds.
It's just remarkable how we've been climbing up those standings in the last 20 years.
Of course though, all that really matters to any red-blooded Canadian is winning gold in hockey and curling.
Buddy Cole at Olympics. (http://www.avclub.com/article/kids-in-the-halls-buddy-cole-is-covering-sochi-for-107653?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Default:2:Default)
Quote from: katmai on February 12, 2014, 01:20:37 AM
Buddy Cole at Olympics. (http://www.avclub.com/article/kids-in-the-halls-buddy-cole-is-covering-sochi-for-107653?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Default:2:Default)
I had to track it down at the Canadian comedy central website, but amusing just because The Kids in the Hall has such fond memories. :)
Double luge. :lol:
Men's speed skating: 8 out of a possible 9 medals so far :cool:
Quote from: viper37 on February 12, 2014, 12:02:22 AM
It's a shame CC doesn't like hockey, he'll have to take a week off from this thread and olympic covering :(
Actually I enjoy watching Olympic hockey. They play by international rules and thus there is no fighting. For example I enjoyed watching the third period of the Women's game this morning. :)
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 12, 2014, 10:45:39 AM
For example I enjoyed watching the third period of the Women's game this morning. :)
I didn't :angry:
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 12, 2014, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: viper37 on February 12, 2014, 12:02:22 AM
It's a shame CC doesn't like hockey, he'll have to take a week off from this thread and olympic covering :(
Actually I enjoy watching Olympic hockey. They play by international rules and thus there is no fighting. For example I enjoyed watching the third period of the Women's game this morning. :)
Seriously? Your only grip with the NHL is the fighting?
Quote from: Barrister on February 12, 2014, 12:25:11 AM
What is surprising, shocking even, is Canada is in second with 9 medals, including 4 gold. :o
That is neither surprising nor shocking. When it comes to the Winter Olympics the Canadians are a juggernaut of 1990s Detroit Red Wings-esque powah. But that is to be expected since for most Canadians their daily commute is a winter sport.
Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2014, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 12, 2014, 12:25:11 AM
What is surprising, shocking even, is Canada is in second with 9 medals, including 4 gold. :o
That is neither surprising nor shocking. When it comes to the Winter Olympics the Canadians are a juggernaut of 1990s Detroit Red Wings-esque powah. But that is to be expected since for most Canadians their daily commute is a winter sport.
But if you go back 20 years we were more like the 1970s Detroit Red Wings - the Dead Things era.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 12, 2014, 11:05:05 AM
Seriously? Your only grip with the NHL is the fighting?
Fighting would make Olympic hockey even better-- particularly women's :)
Limit Olympic excess
Mitt Romney ran the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, Utah and spent less than $3 billion, even adjusted for "security and inflation"; says $50 billion spent by China and Russia should be stopped by future International Olympic Committees.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/02/11/mitt-romney-olympics-sochi-cost-column/5404889/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/02/11/mitt-romney-olympics-sochi-cost-column/5404889/)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gannett-cdn.com%2F-mm-%2F15f843fa4b02509736673ff30372a04dbacb6787%2Fc%3D0-88-1544-1252%26amp%3Br%3Dx404%26amp%3Bc%3D534x401%2Flocal%2F-%2Fmedia%2FUSATODAY%2FUSATODAY%2F2014%2F02%2F11%2F%2F1392163897000-romney.jpg&hash=2f519cf40fe08fc408e1de58ac070b24a6da1cbe)
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 11, 2014, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Maximus on February 11, 2014, 09:32:42 PM
I dunno, getting pretty tired of watching only what NBC decides I get to see.
VPNs are awesomes.
I just figure it's probably a bad idea to use one I know nothing about. Recommendations?
Hotspot Shield.
Quote from: Liep on February 12, 2014, 09:49:29 AM
Double luge. :lol:
http://www.luckymedia.nl/luckytv/2014/01/sochi-2014-bareback-qualification-round-1/ (http://www.luckymedia.nl/luckytv/2014/01/sochi-2014-bareback-qualification-round-1/)
Do we need spoilers in this thread for those not watching live?
Anyways Sweden up 2-0 on the Czechs after the first period.
So blatantly waving and pointing to the logo on your nike ski gloves shouldn't be allowed at the Olympics. Mostly because it looks stupid. Silly Chinese.
Quote from: Maladict on February 12, 2014, 12:31:13 PM
http://www.luckymedia.nl/luckytv/2014/01/sochi-2014-bareback-qualification-round-1/ (http://www.luckymedia.nl/luckytv/2014/01/sochi-2014-bareback-qualification-round-1/)
Gayest Olympics :mellow:
Torah Bright is my new favourite athlete.
Quote from: PRC on February 12, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
Do we need spoilers in this thread for those not watching live?
Anyways Sweden up 2-0 on the Czechs after the first period.
No, Sports spoilers don't exist.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 12, 2014, 12:59:50 PM
Quote from: PRC on February 12, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
Do we need spoilers in this thread for those not watching live?
Anyways Sweden up 2-0 on the Czechs after the first period.
No, Sports spoilers don't exist.
I dunno - I think they do for international competition played while most people are sleeping or at work.
Quote from: Liep on February 12, 2014, 12:58:37 PM
Torah Bright is my new favourite athlete.
Silver, Gold deservedly to Farrington, a talented (in many ways) young American.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 12, 2014, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: viper37 on February 12, 2014, 12:02:22 AM
It's a shame CC doesn't like hockey, he'll have to take a week off from this thread and olympic covering :(
Actually I enjoy watching Olympic hockey. They play by international rules and thus there is no fighting. For example I enjoyed watching the third period of the Women's game this morning. :)
there isn't really any fighting in the NHL playoffs either, you know.
I think the worst shit is during the fall, this is where you usually see lots of fights and nasty hits.
Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2014, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 12, 2014, 12:25:11 AM
What is surprising, shocking even, is Canada is in second with 9 medals, including 4 gold. :o
That is neither surprising nor shocking. When it comes to the Winter Olympics the Canadians are a juggernaut of 1990s Detroit Red Wings-esque powah. But that is to be expected since for most Canadians their daily commute is a winter sport.
This is the effect of B2Ten (http://b2ten.ca/)
Private initiative, with private and government funding, from the Federal and the provinces to support promising athletes.
It showed its effects in Vancouver for the 1st time, with the results we know.
They select the most promising athletes & sports and will support them, financially and technically. Best trainers, psychologists, physicians, etc, everything is there to support them, physically, technically and emotionnally.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 12, 2014, 11:05:05 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 12, 2014, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: viper37 on February 12, 2014, 12:02:22 AM
It's a shame CC doesn't like hockey, he'll have to take a week off from this thread and olympic covering :(
Actually I enjoy watching Olympic hockey. They play by international rules and thus there is no fighting. For example I enjoyed watching the third period of the Women's game this morning. :)
Seriously? Your only grip with the NHL is the fighting?
No, but it is my biggest grip. If they took fighting out of the league I would give it a second look. To keep my as a fan they would also need to take out all hugging after the play is whistled dead. I want to watch hockey, not bad wrestling and boxing.
I have Kung fu gripe.
Congrats to local girl done good Erin Hamlin! :thumbsup: I've been digging the games as per usual. The 7 point round against the US Women's curling team was insane. I was watching that on the Canadian station we get locally and they cut away after that end. I miss the Denmark team from 2010 in Women's Curling, as they were way cuter than the current crop. Now I need to pick a new team to root for. I can't wait for the hockey to start either.
I think curling chicks look better than they truly are because the lighting off the ice is so flattering.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 12, 2014, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 12, 2014, 11:05:05 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 12, 2014, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: viper37 on February 12, 2014, 12:02:22 AM
It's a shame CC doesn't like hockey, he'll have to take a week off from this thread and olympic covering :(
Actually I enjoy watching Olympic hockey. They play by international rules and thus there is no fighting. For example I enjoyed watching the third period of the Women's game this morning. :)
Seriously? Your only grip with the NHL is the fighting?
No, but it is my biggest grip. If they took fighting out of the league I would give it a second look. To keep my as a fan they would also need to take out all hugging after the play is whistled dead. I want to watch hockey, not bad wrestling and boxing.
The hugging serve a purpose you know.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 12, 2014, 06:59:04 PM
I think curling chicks look better than they truly are because the lighting off the ice is so flattering.
:D That's awesome. Probably true.
Projected temperature in Sochi today: 19°C.
Let's have one of the next Winter Olympics in the Moroccan Atlas mountains!
All the candidate city, so far, for 2022 all sucks.
The Chinese runner in the women's 500m short circuit final pulled a Bradbury and won gold. :lol:
Quote from: Syt on February 13, 2014, 05:16:56 AM
Projected temperature in Sochi today: 19°C.
Let's have one of the next Winter Olympics in the Moroccan Atlas mountains!
I'm of the opinion the Winter Olympics should be held somewhere in the Alps at least once every two Games.
It's was even 12°C in the mountains where they held the cross-country. I think it's all the way down to 10°C now at the men's biathlon. :P
To be fair, i've always wondered if mid-February might be a bit late in the winter (outside of Northern Europe/Canada, of course) for the Olympic Games. But I'd have to research Sochi's temps for early, mid-January to see if would have made any difference.
But also, they probably would just have been breaking ground on the hotels in Sochi in mid-January anyway. :P
Every time we'll have Winter Olympics in Mountaineous region that are also on the sea we will have that weather.
Sochi is quite similar to Vancouver in that regard. I expect Pyeonchang to be the same.
Fourcade :D, best time yet and he simply takes off his skis and walks away looking completely unaffected. Everyone else is taking a few minutes just lying on the ground grasping for air.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 13, 2014, 07:09:02 AM
All the candidate city, so far, for 2022 all sucks.
:huh:
Bids are:
Krakow
Oslo
Almaty
L'viv
Beijing
Only Almaty is :bleeding:. I'd probably write off L'viv due to recent political problems in Ukraine, and Beijing seems unlikely. But either of Krakow or Oslo would be fine.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 13, 2014, 07:09:02 AM
All the candidate city, so far, for 2022 all sucks.
:huh:
Bids are:
Krakow
Oslo
Almaty
L'viv
Beijing
Only Almaty is :bleeding:. I'd probably write off L'viv due to recent political problems in Ukraine, and Beijing seems unlikely. But either of Krakow or Oslo would be fine.
Third World
Best
Third World
Third World
Third World but can pull it off.
Beijing? Has a city ever done both Winter and Summer Olympics (after the split, of course)?
Beijing? Didn't we just do that? China should put it on in the Himalayas. Lhasa 2022!
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 13, 2014, 10:23:03 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 13, 2014, 07:09:02 AM
All the candidate city, so far, for 2022 all sucks.
:huh:
Bids are:
Krakow
Oslo
Almaty
L'viv
Beijing
Only Almaty is :bleeding:. I'd probably write off L'viv due to recent political problems in Ukraine, and Beijing seems unlikely. But either of Krakow or Oslo would be fine.
Third World
Best
Third World
Third World
Third World but can pull it off.
Krakow isn't third world. It was a very lovely city. My only complaint was that in 2009 a lot of the highways were shit, but they were building even back then.
Quote from: Valmy on February 13, 2014, 10:26:22 AM
Beijing? Didn't we just do that? China should put it on in the Himalayas. Lhasa 2022!
That elevation would be brutal for the cross-country skiers.
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 13, 2014, 10:29:39 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 13, 2014, 10:26:22 AM
Beijing? Didn't we just do that? China should put it on in the Himalayas. Lhasa 2022!
That elevation would be brutal for the cross-country skiers.
Hell it would be brutal for the spectators.
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 13, 2014, 10:25:21 AM
Beijing? Has a city ever done both Winter and Summer Olympics (after the split, of course)?
Nope, even before the split.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:29:03 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 13, 2014, 10:23:03 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 13, 2014, 07:09:02 AM
All the candidate city, so far, for 2022 all sucks.
:huh:
Bids are:
Krakow
Oslo
Almaty
L'viv
Beijing
Only Almaty is :bleeding:. I'd probably write off L'viv due to recent political problems in Ukraine, and Beijing seems unlikely. But either of Krakow or Oslo would be fine.
Third World
Best
Third World
Third World
Third World but can pull it off.
Krakow isn't third world. It was a very lovely city. My only complaint was that in 2009 a lot of the highways were shit, but they were building even back then.
But it isn't really a premier winter sports destination. I agree with whoever it was that said half of them should be in the Alps. Beijing could be an interesting choice--northern china isn't a winter sports destination either, but I understand the potential is there, and some steps are being taken to develop it.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 13, 2014, 10:40:14 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:29:03 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 13, 2014, 10:23:03 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 13, 2014, 07:09:02 AM
All the candidate city, so far, for 2022 all sucks.
:huh:
Bids are:
Krakow
Oslo
Almaty
L'viv
Beijing
Only Almaty is :bleeding:. I'd probably write off L'viv due to recent political problems in Ukraine, and Beijing seems unlikely. But either of Krakow or Oslo would be fine.
Third World
Best
Third World
Third World
Third World but can pull it off.
Krakow isn't third world. It was a very lovely city. My only complaint was that in 2009 a lot of the highways were shit, but they were building even back then.
But it isn't really a premier winter sports destination. I agree with whoever it was that said half of them should be in the Alps. Beijing could be an interesting choice--northern china isn't a winter sports destination either, but I understand the potential is there, and some steps are being taken to develop it.
Only the alpine events need to be held outside, and from a cursory glance it looks like the proposal to have the events in Jasna, Slovakia would be quite suitable. I did drive through Slovakia on that same trip to Krakow, and it certain seemed mountainous enough for skiing.
Besides, the Alps hardly need more tourist draws. One of the only uses of hosting the olympics is to create an attraction to an area that wasn't previously "on the map" for tourism.
In accordance with the new IOC goal to reduce the spendings for olympics I think we can rule out China.
USA looked pretty damn strong in their opener against Slovakia.
US women curlers are a travesty.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:52:33 AM
Only the alpine events need to be held outside, and from a cursory glance it looks like the proposal to have the events in Jasna, Slovakia would be quite suitable. I did drive through Slovakia on that same trip to Krakow, and it certain seemed mountainous enough for skiing.
Besides, the Alps hardly need more tourist draws. One of the only uses of hosting the olympics is to create an attraction to an area that wasn't previously "on the map" for tourism.
Wouldn't the cross country skiing, snowboarding, freestyle skiing, and maybe more also need to be outside?
Sochi may be using the Olympics to become a tourist draw, but in the past hosting has been used to highlight what is already in place. I think it would be awesome to have the Olympics in a place like Breckenridge. From a competition point of view, since the resorts are already in the best spots, that would be ideal.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 13, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:52:33 AM
Only the alpine events need to be held outside, and from a cursory glance it looks like the proposal to have the events in Jasna, Slovakia would be quite suitable. I did drive through Slovakia on that same trip to Krakow, and it certain seemed mountainous enough for skiing.
Besides, the Alps hardly need more tourist draws. One of the only uses of hosting the olympics is to create an attraction to an area that wasn't previously "on the map" for tourism.
Wouldn't the cross country skiing, snowboarding, freestyle skiing, and maybe more also need to be outside?
Sochi may be using the Olympics to become a tourist draw, but in the past hosting has been used to highlight what is already in place. I think it would be awesome to have the Olympics in a place like Breckenridge. From a competition point of view, since the resorts are already in the best spots, that would be ideal.
I had to look up where Breckenridge is.
Back 40-50 years ago the Winter olympics were held in small resort towns. I remember going to Cortina in Italy, host of the 1956 Winter Olympics. It's a pretty small place really. But the Olympics have outgrown towns like that. Too many athletes, too many journalists and visitors. That's why increasingly the Winter Olympics have been held in bigger cities, and the alpine events held in a ski resort some distance away.
So you wouldn't have the Breckenridge Olympics, you'd have the Denver Olympics. Which I suppose is quite doable, but Denver doesn't really need the boost as a winter destination.
Just 20 years ago it was held in Lillehammer, which isn't big at all.
Why is there no women's double luge?
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 11:17:18 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 13, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:52:33 AM
Only the alpine events need to be held outside, and from a cursory glance it looks like the proposal to have the events in Jasna, Slovakia would be quite suitable. I did drive through Slovakia on that same trip to Krakow, and it certain seemed mountainous enough for skiing.
Besides, the Alps hardly need more tourist draws. One of the only uses of hosting the olympics is to create an attraction to an area that wasn't previously "on the map" for tourism.
Wouldn't the cross country skiing, snowboarding, freestyle skiing, and maybe more also need to be outside?
Sochi may be using the Olympics to become a tourist draw, but in the past hosting has been used to highlight what is already in place. I think it would be awesome to have the Olympics in a place like Breckenridge. From a competition point of view, since the resorts are already in the best spots, that would be ideal.
I had to look up where Breckenridge is.
Back 40-50 years ago the Winter olympics were held in small resort towns. I remember going to Cortina in Italy, host of the 1956 Winter Olympics. It's a pretty small place really. But the Olympics have outgrown towns like that. Too many athletes, too many journalists and visitors. That's why increasingly the Winter Olympics have been held in bigger cities, and the alpine events held in a ski resort some distance away.
So you wouldn't have the Breckenridge Olympics, you'd have the Denver Olympics. Which I suppose is quite doable, but Denver doesn't really need the boost as a winter destination.
I named Breckenridge as a major US resort. You are probably right. But I think Denver would be in line with Salt Lake City, Vancouver, and Torino.
It seems as though they maybe stretched a bit too far with Sochi. It seems to be working, but at a ridiculous cost. I have my doubts the investment is going to pay off. In 20-30 years I think the Sochi location is going to seem embarrassing.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 11:17:18 AM
So you wouldn't have the Breckenridge Olympics, you'd have the Denver Olympics. Which I suppose is quite doable, but Denver doesn't really need the boost as a winter destination.
Does Denver need the boost? No. Would it be really cool to have the Olympics in Colorado? Yes.
How about New Zealand?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 13, 2014, 11:44:21 AM
How about New Zealand?
The problem with holding the winter Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere is that you would have to go for the July / August timeframe.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 13, 2014, 11:47:56 AM
The problem with holding the winter Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere is that you would have to go for the July / August timeframe.
How's that a problem?
Almaty! :mmm:
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 13, 2014, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 13, 2014, 11:47:56 AM
The problem with holding the winter Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere is that you would have to go for the July / August timeframe.
How's that a problem?
Almost all the athletes are from the northern hemisphere. I know that some have indoor sports, and some go to the southern hemisphere to train in the summer, but a lot only really compete in the northern hemisphere winter.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 13, 2014, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 13, 2014, 11:47:56 AM
The problem with holding the winter Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere is that you would have to go for the July / August timeframe.
How's that a problem?
It would seriously mess with every athlete's training regime. July/August is the offseason. If it's an olympic year they start ramping up their training in the fall winter, competing in other major events December / January, with the ultimate goal to then peak in February atthe olympics.
I'm sure Kazakhstan could find the money, and it's inland so probably more stabile cold weather in the winter.
Quote from: Liep on February 13, 2014, 11:57:24 AM
I'm sure Kazakhstan could find the money, and it's inland so probably more stabile cold weather in the winter.
Yeah, it probably has a great climate for the Olympics, great mountains, oil money...Unfortunately the fact it is Kazakhstan overrides everything. :P
Kazakhstan can't be worse than China or Russia.
Also, Germany leads the medal race so far. They're just very good at luge, and it looks like they're getting another one in the luge relay. :lol:
Quote from: alfred russel on February 13, 2014, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 13, 2014, 11:57:24 AM
I'm sure Kazakhstan could find the money, and it's inland so probably more stabile cold weather in the winter.
Yeah, it probably has a great climate for the Olympics, great mountains, oil money...Unfortunately the fact it is Kazakhstan overrides everything. :P
And the inevitable "Borat Olympics" jokes...
Quote from: Liep on February 13, 2014, 12:05:52 PM
Kazakhstan can't be worse than China or Russia.
Sure it can. It's more like Belorussia, than Russia itself. Both China and Russia at least have nicer facades of democracy than Kazakhstan.
I'd say 90% of Americans have no idea what kind of government Kazakhstan has.
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 13, 2014, 12:08:53 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 13, 2014, 12:00:50 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 13, 2014, 11:57:24 AM
I'm sure Kazakhstan could find the money, and it's inland so probably more stabile cold weather in the winter.
Yeah, it probably has a great climate for the Olympics, great mountains, oil money...Unfortunately the fact it is Kazakhstan overrides everything. :P
And the inevitable "Borat Olympics" jokes...
Borat could be the mascot! :D
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 13, 2014, 12:11:59 PM
I'd say 90% of Americans have no idea what kind of government Kazakhstan has.
Sultanate!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 13, 2014, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 13, 2014, 11:47:56 AM
The problem with holding the winter Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere is that you would have to go for the July / August timeframe.
How's that a problem?
For the same reason that the Summer Olympics of Rio will be held in Rio's Winter.
Only the 1956 Melbourne Olympics were actually held in Southern Hemisphere Summer.*
*Except the Equine events
Summer Olympics in the SH's "winter", especially places like Rio, will probably much more comfortable for the athletes.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 13, 2014, 07:09:02 AM
All the candidate city, so far, for 2022 all sucks.
:huh:
Bids are:
Krakow
Oslo
Almaty
L'viv
Beijing
Only Almaty is :bleeding: . I'd probably write off L'viv due to recent political problems in Ukraine, and Beijing seems unlikely. But either of Krakow or Oslo would be fine.
Oslo isn't cool enough, it's rainy this time of the year.
Quebec city is great, but we have no mountains high enough. Besides, I don't want 50b$ govnmt money into this... :)
Anchorage or Whitehorse should be candidates.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 12, 2014, 08:01:52 PM
The hugging serve a purpose you know.
Yes, I know. But it doesnt work well in a hockey game.
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 13, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
Anchorage or Whitehorse should be candidates.
Whitehorse:
-almost certainly too small, not enough hotel rooms
-travel would be quite difficult. While the airport runway is big enough to take even a 747, the terminal can only handle a handful of big planes at once
-Mt Sima, the local ski hill, isn't anywhere near high enough. To get big enough you'd probably have to start a resort in the Kluane Mountains, which is a National Park (and yes, plenty of ski resorts exist in national parks now, but that's from a different time)
-It's pretty cold in Whitehorse in February. It's -21C there today
-who is going to pay for it? City of Whitehorse is too small, as is YTG (Yukon Territorial Government). For Vancouver, most costs were underwritten by the city and province. For Yukon, you'd need the Feds to step in, and I don't see them spending that kind of money on a region with so few votes.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 12:50:49 PM
For Vancouver, most costs were underwritten by the city and province. For Yukon, you'd need the Feds to step in, and I don't see them spending that kind of money on a region with so few votes.
More importantly the Fed money in Vancouver went toward infrastructure upgrades that were needed in any event. like the sky train link from the airport to downtown. The infrastructure upgrades required for remote communities would be extensive and costly (see Sochi even without the corruption) and would be overkill for what is required after the games.
Quote from: Liep on February 13, 2014, 12:08:35 PM
Also, Germany leads the medal race so far. They're just very good at luge, and it looks like they're getting another one in the luge relay. :lol:
If you add up the various German teams (GER, FRG, GDR, EUA) that competed in the Winter Olympics, Germany is comfortably the most successful nation in total medal count over all Winter Olympics.
Anchorage could probably use the infrastructure upgrades...but the politicians there would never go for it. Alaska as a whole could support it...but probably only by trying to tap into the Permanent Fund. Also political suicide.
Quote from: Zanza on February 13, 2014, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 13, 2014, 12:08:35 PM
Also, Germany leads the medal race so far. They're just very good at luge, and it looks like they're getting another one in the luge relay. :lol:
If you add up the various German teams (GER, FRG, GDR, EUA) that competed in the Winter Olympics, Germany is comfortably the most successful nation in total medal count over all Winter Olympics.
And the Swiss are probably best on a per capita basis.
Edit: Hmm, maybe Austria...didn't realize there were so many Swiss.
No, that's without any doubt Norway. They have won more medals than countries like the USA or USSR+Russia and more than twice the amount of Switzerland.
Surely Norway must lead per capita. Their entire population is a couple thousand.
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 13, 2014, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 13, 2014, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 13, 2014, 12:08:35 PM
Also, Germany leads the medal race so far. They're just very good at luge, and it looks like they're getting another one in the luge relay. :lol:
If you add up the various German teams (GER, FRG, GDR, EUA) that competed in the Winter Olympics, Germany is comfortably the most successful nation in total medal count over all Winter Olympics.
And the Swiss are probably best on a per capita basis.
Edit: Hmm, maybe Austria...didn't realize there were so many Swiss.
Surely that must be the Norwegians, there's just about 5 millions.
Yep, Norway. For some reason I thought there were more Nords. :P
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 13, 2014, 12:05:52 PM
Kazakhstan can't be worse than China or Russia.
Sure it can. It's more like Belorussia, than Russia itself. Both China and Russia at least have nicer facades of democracy than Kazakhstan.
Also, it's muslim.
Canada with a 3-1 win over Norway in mens hockey. Lot's will look at that score and think the sky is falling for Canada but they should be fine. Norway played a hell of a game.
Quote from: Barrister on February 13, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 13, 2014, 07:09:02 AM
All the candidate city, so far, for 2022 all sucks.
:huh:
Bids are:
Krakow
Oslo
Almaty
L'viv
Beijing
Only Almaty is :bleeding:. I'd probably write off L'viv due to recent political problems in Ukraine, and Beijing seems unlikely. But either of Krakow or Oslo would be fine.
:o Seriously, L'viv is contending for the Olympics? :blink: It does have the Carpathian mountains, and I bet no Winter Olympics has been to a city with such a rich Austrian heritage. :hmm:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/sports/olympics/olympic-officials-scramble-to-counter-warm-weather.html?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.z_sma=SP_OOS_20140213&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1388552400000&bicmet=1420088400000&_r=1
QuoteOlympic Officials Scramble to Counter Warm Weather
KRASNAYA POLYANA, Russia — With the Winter Olympics melting under a heat wave, the effects could be seen Thursday from the coast of Sochi, where spectators were spotted sunbathing, to the mountains high above the city, where cross-country skiers raced in sleeveless jerseys. The balmy weather has forced changes in competition schedules, sent workers scrambling to harden the slushy snow and made Olympians reconsider what to wear for their warm-weather winter sports.
"You sit outside in a T-shirt and shorts — that's not winter," said Christoph Sumann of the Austrian biathlon team. "You don't know what to wear for the race." He settled on the thinnest T-shirt he could find. A teammate, he said, wore nothing beneath his racing uniform.
"It's absolutely too warm for me," he said. "I'm a winter guy."
So far, these Olympics have not been a good fit for those who like their Winter Games wintry. It has not snowed since the Olympics began last week, and most days have brought bright sunshine and springlike temperatures.
"I've never seen it this warm at a Winter Games," said Max Cobb, a senior official with the International Biathlon Union, who has attended every Winter Olympics since 1992. Cobb was in constant radio contact with the crew spreading salt, meant to turn the slush into water, then back into ice.
"If we were competing now, the women would probably be in shorts and bibs and jogging bras," Cobb said.
Weather for the 2014 Games has been a concern since the International Olympic Committee made Sochi the first host of the Olympics in a subtropical climate. The southern Russian city sits on the Black Sea, some of its promenades lined by palm trees. Sochi hardly counts as a winter wonderland in a nation all too familiar with freezing temperatures: It was minus-25 degrees Fahrenheit, about minus-32 Celsius, in Siberia on Thursday.
Organizers have long dismissed concerns about the warm weather. After a warm spell a year ago disrupted test events, they stockpiled huge mounds of snow, stashed it in shady spots and covered it with insulating material to help most of it last through the summer.
Now, there seems to be enough snow, thanks in large part to a heavy winter storm and one of the world's largest snow-making operations. The problem is the condition of the snow. Puddles of slush would complicate nearly all the outdoor events, jeopardizing contests that Olympians have spent years training for.
Organizers kicked into high gear Thursday to prevent that. In the middle of the night, machines covered the biathlon course with salt. Then, after the sun came up, a crew of 15 workers walked the four-kilometer cross-country course, carrying buckets of large-grained salt. The workers sprinkled the salt onto the tracks in the manner of people feeding birds.
The men's super combined Alpine ski race scheduled for Friday was moved to 10 a.m. local time from 11 a.m. to counter midday temperatures that were expected to approach the mid-50s Fahrenheit, around 13 Celsius. Afternoon temperatures at the RusSki Gorki Jumping Center, home of ski jumping and Nordic combined, reached 63 degrees Fahrenheit on Thursday. The competition manager there said the site had a deep base, partly because trucks had been sent into the mountains last month to fetch fresh snow.
At the jumping center, and every other mountain site, salt was being applied liberally.
"It would be really good if temperatures could dip down overnight, to get those perfect icy conditions," said Jenny Wiedeke, communications manager for the F.I.S., the international ski federation that oversees skiing and snowboarding. "But this is something we battle as an outdoor sport."
While blue skies and snow-capped peaks provided enticing backdrops, some of the sites seemed better suited for beach volleyball than for winter sports. Men without shirts walked toward the biathlon stadium, where officials had traded their parkas for T-shirts. In a particularly ominous sign, mosquitoes were spotted.
At the sun-splashed site of the cross-country skiing events, where temperatures rose toward 60 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 15 Celsius, on Thursday, women raced in sleeveless jerseys. Fans wore T-shirts, and skiers slogged through the soft snow.
Afternoon temperatures in the upper 50s Fahrenheit were expected through Saturday across the mountain sites, including the bottom of the skiing site and the Rosa Khutor Extreme Park, where snowboarding and freestyle skiing are taking place.
Night will bring little relief, as temperatures are forecast to stay well above freezing. Cooler weather, but with temperatures still above freezing, has been predicted beginning Sunday, but rain is possible.
As temperatures continued their steady climb, the International Olympic Committee showed little worry.
"Every event has happened, and on schedule so far," said Mark Adams, the I.O.C. communications director. "So, if this is a problem, then let's have more of them. It seems quite good."
Indoor arenas for sports like hockey, figure skating and curling were built near the coast and have been largely unaffected by the weather.
But the outdoor events are becoming slushy. They are staged about 30 miles into the mountains, in a tight river valley framed by majestic, snow-covered peaks.
Weather worries were exacerbated by the 2010 Vancouver Games, which faced an unusual dearth of snow and record high temperatures. There was so little snow at the site for snowboarding that more had to be hauled in.
Sochi has not yet resorted to such drastic measures, but if the snow continues to melt, it could prove disastrous for events like the cross-country portions of the biathlon. Picture skiing through oatmeal.
"It really affects a lot of things," said Tim Burke of the United States biathlon team. He travels with 25 pairs of skis. On Thursday, for the first time, he wore his most extreme warm-weather skis. Instead of the usual layers of long underwear, he wore only a T-shirt under his uniform.
Many spectators at the biathlon stadium left their coats unzipped, if they wore them at all. Gloves were stuffed in pockets, heads uncovered. Victor Medvedev and his wife, Yelena Tikhonov, were visiting from Chelyabinsk, in Siberia.
"Of course we didn't expect anything like this, so we had to leave our winter boots and thermal underwear in the hotel," Medvedev said. "We also had heavier hats."
Tikhonov added, "It's much better than minus-18."
Quote from: Liep on February 13, 2014, 12:08:35 PM
Also, Germany leads the medal race so far. They're just very good at luge, and it looks like they're getting another one in the luge relay. :lol:
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"Gold! Fold for Germany!!!"
"After 70 years! At last new German victories on Russian soil!"
People go shirtless in 50 degree weather?
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
People go shirtless in 50 degree weather?
Yes, of course. It's pretty hot.
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
People go shirtless in 50 degree weather?
Perhaps it's the snow reflecting the sun, but even at colder temperatures you can comfortably wear just a t-shirt, and it was clear blue skies in Sochi. Shirtless is pushing it, but that goes for anywhere that's not a beach or poolside.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 09:14:19 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
People go shirtless in 50 degree weather?
Yes, of course. It's pretty hot.
Temps of 15 C or less are not hot, Canada.
Quote from: Liep on February 14, 2014, 09:17:30 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
People go shirtless in 50 degree weather?
Perhaps it's the snow reflecting the sun, but even at colder temperatures you can comfortably wear just a t-shirt, and it was clear blue skies in Sochi. Shirtless is pushing it, but that goes for anywhere that's not a beach or poolside.
Yeah I can see the former, shirtless bit was what threw me. Also, didn't know you were such a prude. :D
Depends on how intense the sun is, and how much wind they have, I guess.
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: Liep on February 14, 2014, 09:17:30 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
People go shirtless in 50 degree weather?
Perhaps it's the snow reflecting the sun, but even at colder temperatures you can comfortably wear just a t-shirt, and it was clear blue skies in Sochi. Shirtless is pushing it, but that goes for anywhere that's not a beach or poolside.
Yeah I can see the former, shirtless bit was what threw me. Also, didn't know you were such a prude. :D
:P
Quote from: Zanza on February 14, 2014, 07:57:34 AM
Quote from: Liep on February 13, 2014, 12:08:35 PM
Also, Germany leads the medal race so far. They're just very good at luge, and it looks like they're getting another one in the luge relay. :lol:
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If that includes East German medals, it ought to be adjusted to account for the fact that two Germanies were competing for a good amount of that time.
I don't think it is a black thing. :mellow:
Quote from: Syt on February 14, 2014, 08:43:47 AM
"Gold! Fold for Germany!!!"
"After 70 years! At last new German victories on Russian soil!"
What East Germany's dominance at the 1980 Olympics doesn't count?
I am never clear on when East German medals count for Germany and when they don't :hmm:
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:47:14 AM
I don't think it is a black thing. :mellow:
15C is T-Shirt weather in Quebec. If GF moved to somewhere hot like Vermont he might die of heat stroke.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 09:50:01 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 14, 2014, 08:43:47 AM
"Gold! Fold for Germany!!!"
"After 70 years! At last new German victories on Russian soil!"
What East Germany's dominance at the 1980 Olympics doesn't count?
I am never clear on when East German medals count for Germany and when they don't :hmm:
Seems like for the joke, Russian puppet state wouldn't make much sense to count.
I think Speesh's point is that the more entrants a country is able to field, the higher their medal count will be.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 09:50:01 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 14, 2014, 08:43:47 AM
"Gold! Fold for Germany!!!"
"After 70 years! At last new German victories on Russian soil!"
What East Germany's dominance at the 1980 Olympics doesn't count?
I am never clear on when East German medals count for Germany and when they don't :hmm:
I'm just saying it's not fair to give full weight to the medals earned by "Germany" during the years there were two Germanys competing. Because they had like twice the competitors during that time.
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:47:14 AM
I don't think it is a black thing. :mellow:
My experience is that blackman are easily cold. Especially the Haitians.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 09:51:05 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:47:14 AM
I don't think it is a black thing. :mellow:
15C is T-Shirt weather in Quebec. If GF moved to somewhere hot like Vermont he might die of heat stroke.
There are plenty of white people in Vermont.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 11:00:53 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:47:14 AM
I don't think it is a black thing. :mellow:
My experience is that blackman are easily cold. Especially the Haitians.
Blackman? :mellow:
Anyway, I think it is clear, dear, that I can survive in colder weather. That doesn't make weather in the 50s warm nor weather to walk around shirtless in.
I think Chinamen do okay in the cold, though.
blackmen? should there be a space?
You'd be wrong.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
blackmen? should there be a space?
You'd be wrong.
Yeah blackmen is not a word. Only nationalities get to skip the space like Frenchmen or Englishmen and even that is a little archaic.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 11:05:51 AM
I think Chinamen do okay in the cold, though.
Yeah they enjoy hanging out in horrible places like Manchuria and Tibet.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 11:09:42 AM
Yeah blackmen is not a word.
Incorrect. It is now part of the Languish lexicon.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 11:00:53 AM
My experience is that blackman are easily cold. Especially the Haitians.
Do you think that Haitians might get cold easily because they come from a really hot climate and didn't grow up in the cold? Seems odd to attribute that to skin color.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 14, 2014, 11:12:03 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 11:00:53 AM
My experience is that blackman are easily cold. Especially the Haitians.
Do you think that Haitians might get cold easily because they come from a really hot climate and didn't grow up in the cold? Seems odd to attribute that to skin color.
Thank you, whomever you are. :hug:
Quote from: alfred russel on February 14, 2014, 11:12:03 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 11:00:53 AM
My experience is that blackman are easily cold. Especially the Haitians.
Do you think that Haitians might get cold easily because they come from a really hot climate and didn't grow up in the cold? Seems odd to attribute that to skin color.
Yes but it also applies to kids that were born here from immigrants parents. Maybe 3rd generation fares better. To be fair this is a cultural isssue not racial. The Algerians also suffer from it.
Building a resistance to cold takes more than a generation.
@G Sorry, Black people.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 14, 2014, 11:12:03 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 11:00:53 AM
My experience is that blackman are easily cold. Especially the Haitians.
Do you think that Haitians might get cold easily because they come from a really hot climate and didn't grow up in the cold? Seems odd to attribute that to skin color.
Yes but it also applies to kids that were born here from immigrants parents. Maybe 3rd generation fares better. To be fair this is a cultural isssue not racial. The Algerians also suffer from it.
Building a resistance to cold takes more than a generation.
Actually there's an easy alternate explanation that has nothing to do with building resistance. More like what your parents teach you to consider cold.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 11:17:23 AM
@G Sorry, Black people.
My real issue was you being lazy and going racial.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 11:00:53 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:47:14 AM
I don't think it is a black thing. :mellow:
My experience is that blackman are easily cold. Especially the Haitians.
If you treated them better they might warm up to you :hmm:
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 11:09:42 AM
Yeah blackmen is not a word.
Incorrect. It is now part of the Languish lexicon.
At least he didn't say blackman girls.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 09:14:19 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
People go shirtless in 50 degree weather?
Yes, of course. It's pretty hot.
Temps of 15 C or less are not hot, Canada.
In the middle of Winter. Yes. Yes it is.
No, that could potentially mean they are unusually high (depends on climate). That doesn't mean it is hot.
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
No, that could potentially mean they are unusually high (depends on climate). That doesn't mean it is hot.
To a great degree, perception of temperature is subjective. A sunny day in winter in Canada where it rose to 15 C would *feel* hot, while the same temperature in the middle of summer would feel cold.
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 09:14:19 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
People go shirtless in 50 degree weather?
Yes, of course. It's pretty hot.
Temps of 15 C or less are not hot, Canada.
In the middle of Winter. Yes. Yes it is.
No, that could potentially mean they are unusually high (depends on climate). That doesn't mean it is hot.
Yeah, if you ignore where they are.
Quote from: Malthus on February 14, 2014, 12:19:06 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
No, that could potentially mean they are unusually high (depends on climate). That doesn't mean it is hot.
To a great degree, perception of temperature is subjective. A sunny day in winter in Canada where it rose to 15 C would *feel* hot, while the same temperature in the middle of summer would feel cold.
Yeah it is pretty funny how cool and refreshing 27C feels in a Texas Summer. That is what I generally have my AC set to.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 12:23:08 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 14, 2014, 12:19:06 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
No, that could potentially mean they are unusually high (depends on climate). That doesn't mean it is hot.
To a great degree, perception of temperature is subjective. A sunny day in winter in Canada where it rose to 15 C would *feel* hot, while the same temperature in the middle of summer would feel cold.
Yeah it is pretty funny how cool and refreshing 27C feels in a Texas Summer. That is what I generally have my AC set to.
The last time I was in Rome I had the AC set to 30C. It felt downright cold walking into that from the 40C outside.
Quote from: Malthus on February 14, 2014, 12:19:06 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
No, that could potentially mean they are unusually high (depends on climate). That doesn't mean it is hot.
To a great degree, perception of temperature is subjective. A sunny day in winter in Canada where it rose to 15 C would *feel* hot, while the same temperature in the middle of summer would feel cold.
The other days when it got to high 30s after it had been in the teens here, it felt warm to me as I didn't have to wear multiple layers. I mentioned that day though that I felt like a battered woman who was confused about what was actually acceptable. :(
Couldn't it be possible though for those of European ancestry to tolerate cold better than those of African ancestry. Or conversely, those of African ancestry tolerating heat better than those of European ancestry? Has any serious study been done on that?
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 12:33:03 PM
Couldn't it be possible though for those of European ancestry to tolerate cold better than those of African ancestry. Or conversely, those of African ancestry tolerating heat better than those of European ancestry? Has any serious study been done on that?
Ancestries are a social construct.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 12:33:03 PM
Couldn't it be possible though for those of European ancestry to tolerate cold better than those of African ancestry. Or conversely, those of African ancestry tolerating heat better than those of European ancestry? Has any serious study been done on that?
There is some very minor benefits to having pale skin in cold temperature (decreases your chance at skin freezing), and some very minor benefits to having dark skin in hot weather (dissipates heat faster), but something like 99% of it is cultural.
My brothers in-laws from the tropical parts of Brazil are all very white, and all have complained bitterly about the cold when in Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary_1988 (February 13 - February 28 1988)
QuoteThe weather was a dominant story throughout much of the Games, as strong chinook winds that brought daily temperatures as high as 17 °C (63 °F) wreaked havoc on the schedules for outdoor events. Events were delayed when winds were deemed unsafe for competitors and organizers used artificial snow making equipment to ensure skiing venues were properly prepared.[52] It was the first time in Olympic history that alpine events were held on artificial snow.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 12:33:03 PM
Couldn't it be possible though for those of European ancestry to tolerate cold better than those of African ancestry. Or conversely, those of African ancestry tolerating heat better than those of European ancestry? Has any serious study been done on that?
I am pretty sure that anyone who is used to living in a warm climate will find a cold climate to be cold no matter what their skin colour. The only thing that skin colour impacts is the amount of sunlight required for the body to create vitamin D. So for example, people with darker skin living in the North are advised to take vitamin D supplements during Winter months.
I'm not discounting acclimation. I'm sure that's most of it. But over the eons during which Africans lived in Africa and Europeans lived in Europe, I'd have to think there was some sort of genetic adaptation to the respective environments. I've never heard of any studies that prove or disprove it, though-- hence my question.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:03:22 PM
I'm not discounting acclimation. I'm sure that's most of it. But over the eons during which Africans lived in Africa and Europeans lived in Europe, I'd have to think there was some sort of genetic adaptation to the respective environments. I've never heard of any studies that prove or disprove it, though-- hence my question.
You understand that summers are hot in the north right?
Quote from: DGuller on February 14, 2014, 12:36:35 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 12:33:03 PM
Couldn't it be possible though for those of European ancestry to tolerate cold better than those of African ancestry. Or conversely, those of African ancestry tolerating heat better than those of European ancestry? Has any serious study been done on that?
Ancestries are a social construct.
:lol:
Oh, you're serious?
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:03:22 PM
I'm not discounting acclimation. I'm sure that's most of it. But over the eons during which Africans lived in Africa and Europeans lived in Europe, I'd have to think there was some sort of genetic adaptation to the respective environments. I've never heard of any studies that prove or disprove it, though-- hence my question.
You understand that summers are hot in the north right?
Warm. Sometimes hot. Point?
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:05:36 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 01:04:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:03:22 PM
I'm not discounting acclimation. I'm sure that's most of it. But over the eons during which Africans lived in Africa and Europeans lived in Europe, I'd have to think there was some sort of genetic adaptation to the respective environments. I've never heard of any studies that prove or disprove it, though-- hence my question.
You understand that summers are hot in the north right?
Warm. Sometimes hot. Point?
Why, other than some racist tendancy, would you consider that an Italian or Spaniard who has to live through very hot temperatures in the Summer has some kind of genetic ability to withstand cold better than others based only on the fact that they are "European"?
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:03:22 PM
I'm not discounting acclimation. I'm sure that's most of it. But over the eons during which Africans lived in Africa and Europeans lived in Europe, I'd have to think there was some sort of genetic adaptation to the respective environments. I've never heard of any studies that prove or disprove it, though-- hence my question.
How would you measure that?
Never mind. Someone threw out the word "racist" so it's pointless to continue discussing.
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 01:12:09 PM
How would you measure that?
I guess you could measure physiological effects for people with different ancestries to different temperatures but it would be tough to control for everything.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:14:01 PM
Never mind. Someone threw out the word "racist" so it's pointless to continue discussing.
CC throws lots of shit.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:03:22 PM
I'm not discounting acclimation. I'm sure that's most of it. But over the eons during which Africans lived in Africa and Europeans lived in Europe, I'd have to think there was some sort of genetic adaptation to the respective environments. I've never heard of any studies that prove or disprove it, though-- hence my question.
I'm pretty sure I've read that light coloured skin has slightly better rates of not getting frostbite, and dark skin has slightly better rates of not getting skin cancer (or something similar).
You're right, there must be some evolutionary reason why white and dark skin tones both evolved.
But when it comes down to perceptions of feeling hot or cold, it's all about what you're used to, and skin colour has very little to do with it.
Body hair should have something to do with it.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 12:23:08 PM
Yeah it is pretty funny how cool and refreshing 27C feels in a Texas Summer. That is what I generally have my AC set to.
Way too toasty. A smoooooth 72 degrees for me when I'm there. It goes up to 80 in the summer and 60 in the winter when I'm not there.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 14, 2014, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 12:23:08 PM
Yeah it is pretty funny how cool and refreshing 27C feels in a Texas Summer. That is what I generally have my AC set to.
Way too toasty. A smoooooth 72 degrees for me when I'm there. It goes up to 80 in the summer and 60 in the winter when I'm not there.
72? I would have to put on a coat.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:14:01 PM
Never mind. Someone threw out the word "racist" so it's pointless to continue discussing.
What is the word you would use when, absent any other evidence, someone expects that there would be a measurable difference based only on race?
"Extrapolation."
Canada looking like it's coming together nicely vs. Austria at the start of the third.
What Canadian goalie gets the start against the Finns?
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:14:01 PM
Never mind. Someone threw out the word "racist" so it's pointless to continue discussing.
What is the word you would use when, absent any other evidence, someone expects that there would be a measurable difference based only on race?
I agree the word "race" is not helpful.
But I think there is a potentially interesting discussion and research that can be done in looking at why certain traits arose in certain areas and not others, and what effects those traits might have.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2014, 01:44:24 PM
"Extrapolation."
Should we fund a study on whether people of Koren ancestory are more stupid than the general population? :hmm:
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 01:51:57 PM
Should we fund a study on whether people of Koren ancestory are more stupid than the general population? :hmm:
Fund whatever you want to.
Quote from: Barrister on February 14, 2014, 01:51:27 PM
But I think there is a potentially interesting discussion and research that can be done in looking at why certain traits arose in certain areas and not others, and what effects those traits might have.
Sure, I agree that can be useful and has been useful for things like research into sickle cell anemia. But it is just silly to suggest that people in Africa have a hard time with the cold because it is so hot there but Europeans are better in the cold because it is cold there unless of course you have never been to Spain or Italy in the summer.
Quote from: Barrister on February 14, 2014, 01:51:27 PM
I agree the word "race" is not helpful.
CC used the word "race", not me.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 14, 2014, 01:51:27 PM
I agree the word "race" is not helpful.
CC used the word "race", not me.
Yeah, you when you generalized to Europeans and Africans over eons you didnt mean race at all
Yeah, you do sling a lot of shit.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 01:57:51 PM
Yeah, you do sling a lot of shit.
When there is lots of shit being piled up the temptation to throw it back is sometimes overwelming.
I was just asking a question. Not sure how that amounts to a shitpile worthy of your screechy response.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 02:12:02 PM
I was just asking a question. Not sure how that amounts to a shitpile worthy of your screechy response.
Screechy?
You're the one whining and refusing to carry on the conversation because your delicate sensibilities have been offended.
And Canada gets the 6-0 win over Austria. I think Luongo should get the start against the Finns.
Quote from: Jacob on February 14, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
Screechy?
You're the one whining and refusing to carry on the conversation because your delicate sensibilities have been offended.
:lol:
Quote from: Jacob on February 14, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
Screechy?
You're the one whining and refusing to carry on the conversation because your delicate sensibilities have been offended.
Stay out of this, hippie.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 02:12:02 PM
I was just asking a question. Not sure how that amounts to a shitpile worthy of your screechy response.
If not racism, I asked you what word you would use to describe someone who had a theory for differentiating people based on race? If you cant defend your position so be it. But I would hardly call my inquiry "screechy". Your response - or lack of a reasoned response - would probably be better characterized that way.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 02:12:02 PM
I was just asking a question. Not sure how that amounts to a shitpile worthy of your screechy response.
If not racism, I asked you what word you would use to describe someone who had a theory for differentiating people based on race? If you cant defend your position so be it. But I would hardly call my inquiry "screechy". Your response - or lack of a reasoned response - would probably be better characterized that way.
Indeed your response was best described as chicken shit. Using a rhetorical question rather than just calling him right out. <_<
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:24:44 PM
If not racism, I asked you what word you would use to describe someone who had a theory for differentiating people based on race? If you cant defend your position so be it. But I would hardly call my inquiry "screechy". Your response - or lack of a reasoned response - would probably be better characterized that way.
Racism implies the belief that one race is inherently superior to another, not simply to note that there are differences.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 14, 2014, 02:41:16 PMRacism implies the belief that one race is inherently superior to another, not simply to note that there are differences.
How do you define races when applies to humans?
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 02:12:02 PM
I was just asking a question. Not sure how that amounts to a shitpile worthy of your screechy response.
If not racism, I asked you what word you would use to describe someone who had a theory for differentiating people based on race? If you cant defend your position so be it. But I would hardly call my inquiry "screechy". Your response - or lack of a reasoned response - would probably be better characterized that way.
Indeed your response was best described as chicken shit. Using a rhetorical question rather than just calling him right out. <_<
:lol:
Imagine how butthurt he would have been if I did that. Instead I tried to get him to understand what he was actually doing. I think he honestly believes he is not being racist. In the same way that people honestly believed that dark skinned people couldnt play hockey not so long ago.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 14, 2014, 02:41:16 PM
Racism implies the belief that one race is inherently superior to another, not simply to note that there are differences.
What differences should be noted between the "races" and how does one define "race"?
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:44:48 PM
What differences should be noted between the "races"
What differences should not? :huh:
Kunitz should also sit for the Canadians and Patrick Sharp is back in. Kunitz looks totally lost out there, nice idea to bring him, but it was a mistake and he needs to sit.
Subban should also sit. He made a bunch of bad reads / pinches that resulted in scoring chances for the Austrians. That can't happen against the Russians, Finns, Americans, etc.
Luongo gets the next start. He looked way more comfortable out there than Price. Price would be probably be fine but Luongo gets the edge on experience.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2014, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:44:48 PM
What differences should be noted between the "races"
What differences should not? :huh:
I think you miss the point of the artificiality of dividing humanity amongst "races".
Quote from: PRC on February 14, 2014, 02:47:34 PM
Kunitz should also sit for the Canadians and Patrick Sharp is back in. Kunitz looks totally lost out there, nice idea to bring him, but it was a mistake and he needs to sit.
Subban should also sit. He made a bunch of bad reads / pinches that resulted in scoring chances for the Austrians. That can't happen against the Russians, Finns, Americans, etc.
Luongo gets the next start. He looked way more comfortable out there than Price. Price would be probably be fine but Luongo gets the edge on experience.
Meh, when do they play against real competition?
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
I think you miss the point of the artificiality of dividing humanity amongst "races".
You think incorrectly.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2014, 02:49:24 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
I think you miss the point of the artificiality of dividing humanity amongst "races".
You think incorrectly.
Ok, tell me how you divide up races and what aspects of each race you think are signficant so as to make such a division meaningful?
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2014, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:44:48 PM
What differences should be noted between the "races"
What differences should not? :huh:
I think you miss the point of the artificiality of dividing humanity amongst "races".
It's as good a method as any, and humanity has to be divided.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2014, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:44:48 PM
What differences should be noted between the "races"
What differences should not? :huh:
Both lead to the same question - how do you define a race when it comes to humans? What differences are used to define the different races and which don't matter for that purpose?
Quote from: Neil on February 14, 2014, 02:51:33 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2014, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:44:48 PM
What differences should be noted between the "races"
What differences should not? :huh:
I think you miss the point of the artificiality of dividing humanity amongst "races".
:lol:
It's as good a method as any, and humanity has to be divided.
I am always happy when you come in to prove the point.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.comicvine.com%2Fuploads%2Foriginal%2F12%2F129802%2F3453145-wtf-emu-meme-generator-my-god-what-have-i-done-622484.jpg&hash=c41b67b955474fa98a6acdb88ada0d666e07b840)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 14, 2014, 02:41:16 PM
Racism implies the belief that one race is inherently superior to another, not simply to note that there are differences.
No it isn't. That's racial supremism. Racism is a necessary prerequisite for it, but it's not the same thing.
Quote from: Maximus on February 14, 2014, 02:55:53 PM
No it isn't. That's racial supremism. Racism is a necessary prerequisite for it, but it's not the same thing.
This is certainly not how the vast majority of people in the world use the word.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:50:32 PM
Ok, tell me how you divide up races and what aspects of each race you think are signficant so as to make such a division meaningful?
I would think the significance would involve genetic and physical issues obviously. Such as susceptibility to things like Sickle-Cell disease. Obviously these divisions will break down over time as everybody intermarries in our new globalized world but at this time population groups still have distinctions in these areas.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/129802/3453145-wtf-emu-meme-generator-my-god-what-have-i-done-622484.jpg
Indeed. And I'm not even a person who you should call a blackman if you wanted to use that term.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:50:32 PM
Ok, tell me how you divide up races and what aspects of each race you think are signficant so as to make such a division meaningful?
What for?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2014, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: Maximus on February 14, 2014, 02:55:53 PM
No it isn't. That's racial supremism. Racism is a necessary prerequisite for it, but it's not the same thing.
This is certainly not how the vast majority of people in the world use the word.
Yeah, I would say that "racism" generally incorporates the supremism. I've found the word "racialism" used for what Max seems to be describing.
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 14, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/129802/3453145-wtf-emu-meme-generator-my-god-what-have-i-done-622484.jpg
Indeed. And I'm not even a person who you should call a blackman if you wanted to use that term.
Greyman?
The Blackman Always Rings Twice.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on February 14, 2014, 03:13:37 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2014, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: Maximus on February 14, 2014, 02:55:53 PM
No it isn't. That's racial supremism. Racism is a necessary prerequisite for it, but it's not the same thing.
This is certainly not how the vast majority of people in the world use the word.
Yeah, I would say that "racism" generally incorporates the supremism. I've found the word "racialism" used for what Max seems to be describing.
Based on this thread, there seems to be a school of thought that regards racialism as racism, to no doubt discredit the concept. I can understand the motivation, as racialism can lead to racism or be used as a pretext for racism, but I would guess that even the proponents of this equivalence themselves know that they're full of shit for the greater good.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 02:58:22 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:50:32 PM
Ok, tell me how you divide up races and what aspects of each race you think are signficant so as to make such a division meaningful?
I would think the significance would involve genetic and physical issues obviously.
The human race is 99.9% genetically identical. The variations are accounted for mainly by mutations that are not traceable to "racial" differences.
Here is an interesting paper on the dangers/folly of going back to the good old days of dividing people by race. http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=72
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 05:02:04 PM
The human race is 99.9% genetically identical. The variations are accounted for mainly by mutations that are not traceable to "racial" differences.
Ok so I was talking about that if it were to be done the significance would be to track those variations. I am not sure what traceable racial differences are as opposed to genetic mutations that have been passed down. What else would racial differences possibly be?
Anyway you asked a question about how or why we might divide people by race in such a way that would be meaningful and I proposed one for the sake of conversation.
QuoteHere is an interesting paper on the dangers/folly of going back to the good old days of dividing people by race.
We have left the days of dividing people by race? I hadn't noticed.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 02:58:22 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:50:32 PM
Ok, tell me how you divide up races and what aspects of each race you think are signficant so as to make such a division meaningful?
I would think the significance would involve genetic and physical issues obviously. Such as susceptibility to things like Sickle-Cell disease. Obviously these divisions will break down over time as everybody intermarries in our new globalized world but at this time population groups still have distinctions in these areas.
It is my understanding that the reasonable genetic/physical divisions of the human population do not map to the social ones, and that different reasonable genetic/physical divisions do not map to one another coherently either.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 05:07:42 PM
What else would racial differences possibly be?
If you took the time to read the article I posted, it is that very notion that is problematic.
Genetic mutation comes about because a wide number of factors - race is a problematic construct at best.
Quote from: Jacob on February 14, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 02:58:22 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 02:50:32 PM
Ok, tell me how you divide up races and what aspects of each race you think are signficant so as to make such a division meaningful?
I would think the significance would involve genetic and physical issues obviously. Such as susceptibility to things like Sickle-Cell disease. Obviously these divisions will break down over time as everybody intermarries in our new globalized world but at this time population groups still have distinctions in these areas.
It is my understanding that the reasonable genetic/physical divisions of the human population do not map to the social ones, and that different reasonable genetic/physical divisions do not map to one another coherently either.
Well there may not be any purpose at all. But if there were any reasons to do so that were meaningful or significant it would be there.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 05:12:59 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 05:07:42 PM
What else would racial differences possibly be?
If you took the time to read the article I posted, it is that very notion that is problematic.
Genetic mutation comes about because a wide number of factors - race is a problematic construct at best.
I read the article. I was just saying if hypothetically there were racial differences what else could possibly be their origins than genetic mutations?
Then article seemed to confirm exactly what I was saying as well, that races are all mixing together making these differences, if any, not worth much in the long run.
You fucking fucks, this is Olympics thread, not genetics and race discussion FFS!!!
Quote from: katmai on February 14, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
You fucking fucks, this is Olympics thread, not genetics and race discussion FFS!!!
We are just coming to the conclusion that the reason most winners in the Winter Olympics are people of European Ancestry is because of their genetic superiority. There are absolutely no other contributing factors.
Quote from: DGuller on February 14, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on February 14, 2014, 03:13:37 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2014, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: Maximus on February 14, 2014, 02:55:53 PM
No it isn't. That's racial supremism. Racism is a necessary prerequisite for it, but it's not the same thing.
This is certainly not how the vast majority of people in the world use the word.
Yeah, I would say that "racism" generally incorporates the supremism. I've found the word "racialism" used for what Max seems to be describing.
Based on this thread, there seems to be a school of thought that regards racialism as racism, to no doubt discredit the concept. I can understand the motivation, as racialism can lead to racism or be used as a pretext for racism, but I would guess that even the proponents of this equivalence themselves know that they're full of shit for the greater good.
If you disagree with a definition that's one thing but it doesn't make it full of shit.
Here's the thing. The arbitrary handful of visible characteristics that make up "race" are not really useful for determining anything else about a person. Racism, as I was taught, is the belief that these characteristic are useful for anything other than as a descriptor.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 05:44:56 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 14, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
You fucking fucks, this is Olympics thread, not genetics and race discussion FFS!!!
We are just coming to the conclusion that the reason most winners in the Winter Olympics are people of European Ancestry is because of their genetic superiority. There are absolutely no other contributing factors.
Probably just because black people stand out from the snow. White people have natural camoflauge and can sneak up on people easier, or pull away without anyone noticing. It is a big advantage in a race.
Also, I don't want to talk about what happens in the backcountry during the less regulated biathlon competitions. :(
Quote from: Maximus on February 14, 2014, 05:46:54 PM
Here's the thing. The arbitrary handful of visible characteristics that make up "race" are not really useful for determining anything else about a person. Racism, as I was taught, is the belief that these characteristic are useful for anything other than as a descriptor.
Yeah that is usually my response to the racists and their constant use of stats. 'Blacks dominate the NBA therefore racism is right' or whatever. Um for every non-black dude in the NBA there are thousands of black dudes who they beat out for that spot. Even in that rather extreme example it is not really useful in dealing with individuals which is why racism is wrong.
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
People go shirtless in 50 degree weather?
How long were you in the UK? :lol:
Quote from: katmai on February 14, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
You fucking fucks, this is Olympics thread, not genetics and race discussion FFS!!!
The Olympics 1936 thread.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 14, 2014, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 14, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
You fucking fucks, this is Olympics thread, not genetics and race discussion FFS!!!
The Olympics 1936 thread.
You and your Hitler fetish!
Quote from: Maximus on February 14, 2014, 05:46:54 PM
If you disagree with a definition that's one thing but it doesn't make it full of shit.
Of course that alone doesn't make it full of shit.
QuoteHere's the thing. The arbitrary handful of visible characteristics that make up "race" are not really useful for determining anything else about a person. Racism, as I was taught, is the belief that these characteristic are useful for anything other than as a descriptor.
Here's the thing: this is a convenient untruth. By that logic, the medical researchers who say that African Americans are much more likely to have hypertension are racists.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 06:16:40 PM
Quote from: Maximus on February 14, 2014, 05:46:54 PM
Here's the thing. The arbitrary handful of visible characteristics that make up "race" are not really useful for determining anything else about a person. Racism, as I was taught, is the belief that these characteristic are useful for anything other than as a descriptor.
Yeah that is usually my response to the racists and their constant use of stats. 'Blacks dominate the NBA therefore racism is right' or whatever. Um for every non-black dude in the NBA there are thousands of black dudes who they beat out for that spot. Even in that rather extreme example it is not really useful in dealing with individuals which is why racism is wrong.
:wacko: I hope your non-usual response is far less nonsensical.
Quote from: DGuller on February 14, 2014, 06:40:17 PM
Here's the thing: this is a convenient untruth. By that logic, the medical researchers who say that African Americans are much more likely to have hypertension are racists.
No.
But if it did mean that, so what?
Quote from: Maximus on February 14, 2014, 06:53:22 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 14, 2014, 06:40:17 PM
Here's the thing: this is a convenient untruth. By that logic, the medical researchers who say that African Americans are much more likely to have hypertension are racists.
No.
Yes, by your definition. Blood pressure is typically not an "arbitrary handful of visible characteristics that make up "race"", and yet the medical researchers are under impression that there is a connection between that arbitrary handful of visible characteristics and blood pressure.
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But if it did mean that, so what?
The word "racist" is obviously very negative, and the implication is that if you do something that gets you called "racist", you did a very bad and undesirable thing.
You fuckers are are good at making a kinda boring thread into a really boring one. :D
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 05:40:50 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 05:12:59 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 05:07:42 PM
What else would racial differences possibly be?
If you took the time to read the article I posted, it is that very notion that is problematic.
Genetic mutation comes about because a wide number of factors - race is a problematic construct at best.
I read the article. I was just saying if hypothetically there were racial differences what else could possibly be their origins than genetic mutations?
Then article seemed to confirm exactly what I was saying as well, that races are all mixing together making these differences, if any, not worth much in the long run.
Then you send yourself in circles trying to define what race is - which is precisely the point the article makes. The article does not say it is now not worth trying to identify race - the point is it was never worth trying to do so.
So Maximus thinks Valmy & DG are racists? :hmm:
Quote from: katmai on February 14, 2014, 05:43:31 PM
You fucking fucks, this is Olympics thread, not genetics and race discussion FFS!!!
Slow day at the Olympics. tomorrow should be better.
Quote from: derspiess on February 14, 2014, 07:43:47 PM
So Maximus thinks Valmy & DG are racists? :hmm:
DG is russian so clearly he is racist. :)
Quote from: DGuller on February 14, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
:wacko: I hope your non-usual response is far less nonsensical.
I think it is perfectly sensical. If race does not really tell you something definitive about a person than judging individuals based on their race is wrong.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 14, 2014, 07:42:54 PM
Then you send yourself in circles trying to define what race is - which is precisely the point the article makes. The article does not say it is now not worth trying to identify race - the point is it was never worth trying to do so.
I am not sure this article is as completely convincing and authoritative as you think it is. I thought they were saying that even in cases when there are trends based on certain genetic issues it gets mixed up because appearances and self-identification are not even that useful in determining somebody's genetic ancestry.
Quote from: Valmy on February 14, 2014, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 14, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
:wacko: I hope your non-usual response is far less nonsensical.
I think it is perfectly sensical. If race does not really tell you something definitive about a person than judging individuals based on their race is wrong.
From the statistical point of view, it's not sensical at all, and since you entered this argument as a rebuttal to statistics, you'll have to play by the statistical rules. In statistics, there is a concept called variance. Without it, there would be no such field, it would just be arithmetic. Therefore, if your rebuttal to the inferences drawn from statistics is based on the damning existence of that thing called variance, then your rebuttal is devoid of validity.
Acting on inferences drawn from knowing someone's race is generally wrong (except in things like medicine, where it can save lives of the very people being profiled). However, it's not wrong because it's illogical, and that's where well-meaning liberals get it horribly wrong. It's wrong because it's immoral, and it's wrong because acting on such inferences will perpetuate them.
Quote from: DGuller on February 14, 2014, 06:59:43 PM
Yes, by your definition. Blood pressure is typically not an "arbitrary handful of visible characteristics that make up "race"", and yet the medical researchers are under impression that there is a connection between that arbitrary handful of visible characteristics and blood pressure.
"African American" is a specific set of people, not a set of characteristics.
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The word "racist" is obviously very negative, and the implication is that if you do something that gets you called "racist", you did a very bad and undesirable thing.
I am aware that people tend to use the term "racism" to refer to anything bad that involves race. That does not make it correct usage however.
Quote from: DGuller on February 14, 2014, 06:59:43 PM
Yes, by your definition. Blood pressure is typically not an "arbitrary handful of visible characteristics that make up "race"", and yet the medical researchers are under impression that there is a connection between that arbitrary handful of visible characteristics and blood pressure.
Just wanted to point this out, but most studies now show that it's not "race" that contributes to the risk of high blood pressure in African-Americans, but rather the culture. Basically, black Americans (black men, in particular) may have a tendency toward high blood pressure not because of their race but because they don't take care of themselves when they do get it. It's a social issue, much like race is a social construct that only really came about in the last 300 years.
But to bring it back around to the Olympics, go USA! go USA! :yeah:
I'm still confused how all of this came about from me saying 50s ain't shirtless weather.
Quote from: PRC on February 14, 2014, 02:14:03 PM
And Canada gets the 6-0 win over Austria. I think Luongo should get the start against the Finns.
Not unexpected. I'm kinda amused by all the sports commentators talking of these two "great" victories, as if they meant anything. It would have meant something if they lost, but winning against clubs that never won a medal isn't any achievement at all.
(https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1926757_10151953810307807_1668947619_n.jpg)
http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6952119/the-official-rules-of-curling-kind-of-explained-i-think
Wohooooooooooo!
Gold in the womens relay! Eat that Norway!
Now we only need to beat them in the men's relay tomorrow!
I wake up and see USA-Russia has gone to a shootout!
USA! USA! USA! :w00t:
Quote from: Maximus on February 15, 2014, 01:38:29 AM
"African American" is a specific set of people, not a set of characteristics.
It's a set of people who have a certain set of characteristics.
Quote from: Neil on February 15, 2014, 10:25:38 AM
Quote from: Maximus on February 15, 2014, 01:38:29 AM
"African American" is a specific set of people, not a set of characteristics.
It's a set of people who have a certain set of characteristics.
Which set of characteristics is that?
Quote from: Jacob on February 15, 2014, 10:53:46 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 15, 2014, 10:25:38 AM
Quote from: Maximus on February 15, 2014, 01:38:29 AM
"African American" is a specific set of people, not a set of characteristics.
It's a set of people who have a certain set of characteristics.
Which set of characteristics is that?
Primarily dark skin. I don't know, I'm not an ethnologist.
Still, I've seen (on the internet) black folks getting all pissy when a white South African is called an 'African-American', so blackness is clearly a factor.
Quote from: Maximus on February 15, 2014, 01:38:29 AM
"African American" is a specific set of people, not a set of characteristics.
:bleeding: Now you're just deliberately obfuscating and arguing in circles.
Quote from: merithyn on February 15, 2014, 02:06:29 AM
Just wanted to point this out, but most studies now show that it's not "race" that contributes to the risk of high blood pressure in African-Americans, but rather the culture. Basically, black Americans (black men, in particular) may have a tendency toward high blood pressure not because of their race but because they don't take care of themselves when they do get it. It's a social issue, much like race is a social construct that only really came about in the last 300 years.
Of course nothing of this sort exists "because" of race. Race, however you define it (in good faith, and not to be deliberately confusing), is a proxy variable, and thus cannot have a causal relationship with anything. That doesn't make it useless, if it is an easier variable to observe than the casual variables. When humanity obtains perfect and free knowledge, proxy variables won't be of any use anymore, but needless to say we're not there yet.
Hypertension was just one example, there is a whole body of race-based medicine, that deals with either determining racial/ethnic risk factors for certain conditions, or with finding the optimal treatment regiment given the patient's race.
Oh god make it stop.
Quote from: Barrister on February 15, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
I wake up and see USA-Russia has gone to a shootout!
I sort of feel for the Russians on that one--they were a bit hard done by on the disallowed goal. We may have used too much karma on a meaningless game--you could argue that the Russians are better off not getting the first round bye because their opponent should be manageable and they get an extra game to play together.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2014, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 15, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
I wake up and see USA-Russia has gone to a shootout!
I sort of feel for the Russians on that one--they were a bit hard done by on the disallowed goal. We may have used too much karma on a meaningless game--you could argue that the Russians are better off not getting the first round bye because their opponent should be manageable and they get an extra game to play together.
Yeah, something feels wrong about the goal being disallowed because the goalie himself dislodged the net.
Sweden-Latvia was a pretty good game most of the way.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2014, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 15, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
I wake up and see USA-Russia has gone to a shootout!
I sort of feel for the Russians on that one--they were a bit hard done by on the disallowed goal.
I don't. Fuck them, they're getting enough of a home-field ref advantage these games as it is.
Quote from: DGuller on February 15, 2014, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2014, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 15, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
I wake up and see USA-Russia has gone to a shootout!
I sort of feel for the Russians on that one--they were a bit hard done by on the disallowed goal. We may have used too much karma on a meaningless game--you could argue that the Russians are better off not getting the first round bye because their opponent should be manageable and they get an extra game to play together.
Yeah, something feels wrong about the goal being disallowed because the goalie himself dislodged the net.
Yeah. I'm the last guy to be soft on Russians, but that stunk.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2014, 02:26:35 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2014, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 15, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
I wake up and see USA-Russia has gone to a shootout!
I sort of feel for the Russians on that one--they were a bit hard done by on the disallowed goal.
I don't. Fuck them, they're getting enough of a home-field ref advantage these games as it is.
Rules is rules, anyway. Makes it better that Putin was there to watch his team go up 3-2, then have the goal erased & lose in a shootout.
Quote from: derspiess on February 15, 2014, 02:28:37 PM
Rules is rules, anyway. Makes it better that Putin was there to watch his team go up 3-2, then have the goal erased & lose in a shootout.
No shit.
If it makes all these pussies feel better, they can pretend the Russians were high-sticking the puck instead. WHICH THEY WERE.
There is something appealing at watching Nordic chicks have a massive cat fight on ice. :)
Watched the mens figure skaters falling on their cans last night. The Jap is really pretty.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2014, 04:26:09 PM
Watched the mens figure skaters falling on their cans last night. The Jap is really pretty.
I'm watching less Olympics than I expected because of the way NBC intersperses the figure skating into coverage. I can't force myself to watch that stuff. It comes on, I make it through about 5 minutes, turn off the TV, turn it back on when I think skating is over and catch the tail end of some other event, and then back to figure skating...That and curling are the only two sports I absolutely don't want to watch (no offense to curling, it just isn't super compelling for me on TV).
Mens figure skating is useless. Womens' is not bad for perving.
But if I were programming the winter Olympics I would show as much figure skating as possible. Your core viewing demographic is chicks.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2014, 04:48:49 PM
Mens figure skating is useless. Womens' is not bad for perving.
But if I were programming the winter Olympics I would show as much figure skating as possible. Your core viewing demographic is chicks.
I'm sure that the NBC guys have put a lot of research and thought into this, but I'd watch more if they concentrated the figure skating into one half of the program, and the other sports into the other half. Maybe they are going for families watching together, interspersing parts for the men and women, but I would gouge my eyes out before watching all the figure skating they have shown.
I don't get the anti-figure skating thing. They have to do all these jumps and so forth that is compelling, or at least as compelling as watching people ski down mountains or any other Olympic sport. The men do the quads and the even harder stuff, so why are they useless?
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2014, 05:16:39 PM
I don't get the anti-figure skating thing. They have to do all these jumps and so forth that is compelling, or at least as compelling as watching people ski down mountains or any other Olympic sport. The men do the quads and the even harder stuff, so why are they pointless?
I'm not against figure skating. I just don't want to watch it.
Best shot of the Olympics so far was a slo-mo shot of some skier biting off and chewing the banana open-mouthed. Quality viewing material.
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2014, 05:16:39 PM
I don't get the anti-figure skating thing. They have to do all these jumps and so forth that is compelling, or at least as compelling as watching people ski down mountains or any other Olympic sport. The men do the quads and the even harder stuff, so why are they useless?
Downhill skiers don't dress up like gigolos on acid and sensually wave their arms and wiggle their butts while they're skiing.
Not as into this Olympics as the Vancouver one. Not sure if it was a patriotic thing or if Vancouver was better.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
Downhill skiers don't dress up like gigolos on acid and sensually wave their arms and wiggle their butts while they're skiing.
It is called showmanship.
That's the quality Liberace had.
Eh, what the figure skaters do requires an enormous amount of talent and strength. Who gives a shit if most of the male skaters are gay?
It's certainly not my favorite set of events at the Winter Olympics but I don't turn it off when it comes on, either.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2014, 05:49:09 PM
That's the quality Liberace had.
People were entertained weren't they? :P
Figure skaters are obviously great athletes and talented skaters. Rather than focusing development on choreography and dancing I wish they focused on hockey skills like passing and shooting. Especially for the Americans. We are going to need all hands on deck to break through against the Canadians this year.
Quote from: HVC on February 15, 2014, 05:37:35 PM
Not as into this Olympics as the Vancouver one. Not sure if it was a patriotic thing or if Vancouver was better.
Better time zone.
Wow, women's super-g is such a clusterfuck.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2014, 04:31:37 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2014, 04:26:09 PM
Watched the mens figure skaters falling on their cans last night. The Jap is really pretty.
I'm watching less Olympics than I expected because of the way NBC intersperses the figure skating into coverage. I can't force myself to watch that stuff. It comes on, I make it through about 5 minutes, turn off the TV, turn it back on when I think skating is over and catch the tail end of some other event, and then back to figure skating...That and curling are the only two sports I absolutely don't want to watch (no offense to curling, it just isn't super compelling for me on TV).
Ditto, though I'll usually just leave it on and go do something else in the meantime. But I still miss out on a lot of stuff I'd like to have seen. And I haven't taken much advantage of the online streaming NBC offers, as it's just not too convenient for me.
And there's the issue of fighting my wife & kids for control over one of the TVs. During football season they know to back the hell off, but outside of that I get no respect.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2014, 05:54:31 PM
Figure skaters are obviously great athletes and talented skaters. Rather than focusing development on choreography and dancing I wish they focused on hockey skills like passing and shooting. Especially for the Americans. We are going to need all hands on deck to break through against the Canadians this year.
Nah, overall medal count is much more important than hockey gold.
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2014, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
Downhill skiers don't dress up like gigolos on acid and sensually wave their arms and wiggle their butts while they're skiing.
It is called showmanship.
And it's not for everyone. Form follows function.
Putin is present at the cross country stadium to see Legkov's power third run being cancelled out by a lukewarm fourth run by Vylegzhanin. Sweden dominates.
Of course Norway calls their complete failure for a "smørefiasko" which translates loosely into "whining loser".
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2014, 05:16:39 PM
I don't get the anti-figure skating thing. They have to do all these jumps and so forth that is compelling, or at least as compelling as watching people ski down mountains or any other Olympic sport. The men do the quads and the even harder stuff, so why are they useless?
Part of it is also what we discussed earlier--a dislike for competitions decided on style points rather than on objective criteria such as time, distance, or goals scored.
Because figure skating in my opinion is not a sport.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 15, 2014, 08:01:22 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2014, 05:54:31 PM
Figure skaters are obviously great athletes and talented skaters. Rather than focusing development on choreography and dancing I wish they focused on hockey skills like passing and shooting. Especially for the Americans. We are going to need all hands on deck to break through against the Canadians this year.
Nah, overall medal count is much more important than hockey gold.
Not if you're Canadian or Russian.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 15, 2014, 08:01:22 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2014, 05:54:31 PM
Figure skaters are obviously great athletes and talented skaters. Rather than focusing development on choreography and dancing I wish they focused on hockey skills like passing and shooting. Especially for the Americans. We are going to need all hands on deck to break through against the Canadians this year.
Nah, overall medal count is much more important than hockey gold.
That will be my line if our hockey team falls short. We aren't there yet. :P
Quote from: Barrister on February 16, 2014, 09:57:04 AM
Not if you're Canadian or Russian.
I'm not sure about Russia, they've traditionally been competitive in the overall medal picture.
Quote from: Threviel on February 15, 2014, 10:06:58 AM
Wohooooooooooo!
Gold in the womens relay! Eat that Norway!
Now we only need to beat them in the men's relay tomorrow!
Yeay! Eat it Norway! Lohooooseheeeeers!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BghflkECUAEftIQ.jpg)
:hmm:
Even at the Olympics, interns work the weekends. Goddamn.
They shoulda used the Soviet flag for Russia.
They're trying their best, but they were educated in the United States. We're lucky they managed to spell everything correctly.
It'd be nice to see a plucky underdog pull off an upset in hockey...like these Fins vs. Canada. ;)
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 16, 2014, 01:29:03 PM
It'd be nice to see a plucky underdointo pull off an upset in hockey...like these Fins vs. Canada. ;)
If Finland can win, the only way the US will play Russia, Canada, or Sweden is in the gold medal game. Assuming Russia doesn't totally choke, they would play Canada in the quarterfinals.
Come on Finland! :)
Nice to see Teemu Selanne still out there. Almost makes me feel young for a guy that old to be playing.
Watching the hockey game on the big screen while keeping an eye on 2-man bobsled on my tablet. Jamaican team just went through and were terrible, God bless 'em :)
Quote from: derspiess on February 16, 2014, 01:55:40 PM
Nice to see Teemu Selanne still out there. Almost makes me feel young for a guy that old to be playing.
I was annoyed that Slovakia left out Miroslav Satan. Oh the puns I could have used.
Dang.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 16, 2014, 10:11:03 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 16, 2014, 09:57:04 AM
Not if you're Canadian or Russian.
I'm not sure about Russia, they've traditionally been competitive in the overall medal picture.
You dont understand how important hockey is to the Russians.
And you dont understand that Canada had the most gold medals in the last Winter Olympics.
Quote from: DGuller on February 15, 2014, 06:35:49 PM
Wow, women's super-g is such a clusterfuck.
Conditions from top to bottom were ridiculously different, especially as the day went on.
That super-hot-ass young Austrian lady, though, was incredible.
Quote from: fhdz on February 16, 2014, 05:12:22 PM
That super-hot-ass young Austrian lady, though, was incredible.
I only saw the start and deemed it unworthy of my attention what with 9 out of 10 not finishing, but wow, you are very correct.
Anyone got a pic handy of this hotty?
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 16, 2014, 04:47:43 PM
And you dont understand that Canada had the most gold medals in the last Winter Olympics.
And Britain managed to get 4th in London(3rd in golds). Home ice advantage and what not.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 16, 2014, 06:22:22 PM
Anyone got a pic handy of this hotty?
Pretty sure they're talking about the tight little package in the middle, Anna Fenninger:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gannett-cdn.com%2F-mm-%2F7c577a800b8b55ae3b7e7911c993eed061e4e16a%2Fc%3D191-0-4157-2983%26amp%3Br%3Dx513%26amp%3Bc%3D680x510%2Flocal%2F-%2Fmedia%2FUSATODAY%2FUSATODAY%2F2014%2F02%2F15%2F%2F1392456101000-USP-Olympics-Alpine-Skiing-Ladies-Super-G-007.jpg&hash=97f68db1e66fa9102181e0ddcbf8dc73d5a9fa6b)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fen.ria.ru%2Fimages%2F18756%2F21%2F187562142.jpg&hash=aea625ddb2c75f32180b8902cb066d90137d3a88)
Danke.
I'm still backing the Bosnian chick however.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 16, 2014, 06:36:15 PM
Danke.
I'm still backing the Bosnian chick however.
Likewise: pics?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 16, 2014, 06:34:44 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 16, 2014, 06:22:22 PM
Anyone got a pic handy of this hotty?
Pretty sure they're talking about the tight little package in the middle, Anna Fenninger:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gannett-cdn.com%2F-mm-%2F7c577a800b8b55ae3b7e7911c993eed061e4e16a%2Fc%3D191-0-4157-2983%26amp%3Br%3Dx513%26amp%3Bc%3D680x510%2Flocal%2F-%2Fmedia%2FUSATODAY%2FUSATODAY%2F2014%2F02%2F15%2F%2F1392456101000-USP-Olympics-Alpine-Skiing-Ladies-Super-G-007.jpg&hash=97f68db1e66fa9102181e0ddcbf8dc73d5a9fa6b)
I'd pulverize all 3.
Quote from: Liep on February 16, 2014, 06:37:53 PM
Likewise: pics?
I'm pretty hopeless with the links and such.
If you watched the Parade of Nations(tm) the camera was on her on the whole time.
Quote from: Liep on February 16, 2014, 06:37:53 PM
Likewise: pics?
http://www.sochi2014.com/en/team-bosnia-herzegov-athletes?sport=AS&q=
Not the greatest of shots. She looked way fucking better during the opening ceremony. Beautiful smile.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 16, 2014, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 16, 2014, 06:37:53 PM
Likewise: pics?
http://www.sochi2014.com/en/team-bosnia-herzegov-athletes?sport=AS&q=
Not the greatest of shots. She looked way fucking better during the opening ceremony. Beautiful smile.
:hmm: Did you forget to wear your glasses again?
She looked really good at the opening ceremonies. I'm keeping my bet on.
Yi is correct, the Bosnian chick was easily the highlight of the Parade of Nations.
Just read about how the Jamaican bobsled team trains in Evanston, Wyoming. Of course, that is because it is about an hour from the Salt Lake City site, but I would like to think it is because all Jamaicans want to live in cold, windy, and snowy Wyoming.
Poor Yi, going blind is such a tough predicament.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 16, 2014, 06:28:34 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 16, 2014, 04:47:43 PM
And you dont understand that Canada had the most gold medals in the last Winter Olympics.
And Britain managed to get 4th in London(3rd in golds). Home ice advantage and what not.
You are missing the point - it is the hockey gold that matters for the Russians and Canadians. Even though Canada finished first in the gold count it would have been considered a poor showing if the Hockey team didnt win gold.
We've had successful Olympic games even when we lost the men's basketball. Likewise, Russia has had way too much success overall to pin it all on hockey.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 16, 2014, 09:11:10 PM
We've had successful Olympic games even when we lost the men's basketball. Likewise, Russia has had way too much success overall to pin it all on hockey.
Ok, if you insist that the Russians dont really care about hockey I dont really care enough to try to convince you otherwise. But I will point out your logical error of equating the American love of basketball - nowhere near the top sport in the US - with the Canadian or Russian love of hockey.
ie - you dont really get it. :P
I don't get your* obsession with hockey, but you don't really have the experience of being competitive in the meta-contest, Vancouver aside. Russians do. I'm pretty sure if they had the national attitude that hockey makes or breaks the games for them, they couldn't have won so many medals in other sports.
*Despite the fact you personally seem to prefer skiing and basketball.
Nobody really likes basketball. It's just something that certain people endure to try and prove their manhood, like binge-drinking or baseball.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 16, 2014, 09:20:05 PM
I don't get your* obsession with hockey
Dude, if you have been paying attention at all during the last oh 8 years or so, I hate hockey. But I do know that Canadians and Russians are very passionate about it.
QuoteNobody really likes basketball. It's just something that certain people endure to try and prove their manhood, like binge-drinking or baseball.
I can understand why people who could never play a sport would hate it. Probably why hockey is so popular - at a basic level it takes very little skill to play at an introductory level and still score goals.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 16, 2014, 09:13:14 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 16, 2014, 09:11:10 PM
We've had successful Olympic games even when we lost the men's basketball. Likewise, Russia has had way too much success overall to pin it all on hockey.
Ok, if you insist that the Russians dont really care about hockey I dont really care enough to try to convince you otherwise. But I will point out your logical error of equating the American love of basketball - nowhere near the top sport in the US - with the Canadian or Russian love of hockey.
ie - you dont really get it. :P
I don't think Russians care as much about hockey as you ascribe it to them. It's not even the most popular sport in Russia; soccer is (which is ironic, as Russians are pretty terrible at it). I'm sure Russians would be somewhat annoyed if they don't win the hockey gold medal, but to pin the success of the games on that one medal is just silly. Another factor is that for Soviet Union, Olympics are a way to prove the superiority of their system, and thus winning medals across the multitude of disciplines is what sends the most effective message to its subjects.
Quote from: Neil on February 16, 2014, 09:34:35 PM
Nobody really likes basketball. It's just something that certain people endure to try and prove their manhood, like binge-drinking or baseball.
You come back and tell me that when I am not drunk and posting and I will give you what for!
Ok, I will give you the baseball bit, but basketball is Spring's gift to mankind.
Quote from: DGuller on February 16, 2014, 10:04:14 PM
I don't think Russians care as much about hockey as you ascribe it to them.
You are a little out of touch Comrade. When Putin visited Canada House he is reported to have said 'Good luck, except in hockey'
And obviously a man barely in touch with his own sanity is perfectly in touch with what Russian people think.
Quote from: DGuller on February 16, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
And obviously a man barely in touch with his own sanity is perfectly in touch with what Russian people think.
I didnt want to bring up the fact that accountants are unlikely to be in touch with the passions of a nation - but I will go there if I must.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 16, 2014, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 16, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
And obviously a man barely in touch with his own sanity is perfectly in touch with what Russian people think.
I didnt want to bring up the fact that accountants are unlikely to be in touch with the passions of a nation - but I will go there if I must.
That was a little uncalled for, don't you think?
Regardless of the importance Russians put on hockey, their team might be in trouble. Results so far:
Russia 5 Slovenia 2 - Can't really beat your chest about this
Russia 2 USA 3 - Yes a classic and close game, but a loss
Russia 1 Slovakia 0 - The most alarming game. This was 0-0 and went to a shootout. Slovakia lost to Slovenia 3-1 and the US 7-1. They blow.
Probably the best showing for Russia is a shoot out loss to the US, who was on paper probably the 4th best team entering the tournament. It may be better for Russia to not get the bye as they need to work some things out. I'm going to be interested in the probable Russia - Finland quarterfinal game (Russia's play in game is against Norway, I can't imagine Russia dropping that).
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 16, 2014, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 16, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
And obviously a man barely in touch with his own sanity is perfectly in touch with what Russian people think.
I didnt want to bring up the fact that accountants are unlikely to be in touch with the passions of a nation - but I will go there if I must.
hey, leave the other accountants out of it!
:mad:
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 16, 2014, 10:03:31 PM
Dude, if you have been paying attention at all during the last oh 8 years or so, I hate hockey. But I do know that Canadians and Russians are very passionate about it.
I was using the plural you, for Canada. I hoped the note made that clear. And no, I don't pay any attention to the hockey thread. Or the Canadian politics thread, if you've expressed your hockey hate in there.
Quote from: DGuller on February 16, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 16, 2014, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 16, 2014, 06:37:53 PM
Likewise: pics?
http://www.sochi2014.com/en/team-bosnia-herzegov-athletes?sport=AS&q=
Not the greatest of shots. She looked way fucking better during the opening ceremony. Beautiful smile.
:hmm: Did you forget to wear your glasses again?
Passport pictures are rarely a person's best.
No biathlon or cross snowboarding today. :(
Quote from: HVC on February 16, 2014, 11:34:16 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 16, 2014, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 16, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
And obviously a man barely in touch with his own sanity is perfectly in touch with what Russian people think.
I didnt want to bring up the fact that accountants are unlikely to be in touch with the passions of a nation - but I will go there if I must.
hey, leave the other accountants out of it!
You are the exception that proves the rule.
Quote from: derspiess on February 17, 2014, 12:29:10 AM
Quote from: DGuller on February 16, 2014, 08:01:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 16, 2014, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 16, 2014, 06:37:53 PM
Likewise: pics?
http://www.sochi2014.com/en/team-bosnia-herzegov-athletes?sport=AS&q=
Not the greatest of shots. She looked way fucking better during the opening ceremony. Beautiful smile.
:hmm: Did you forget to wear your glasses again?
Passport pictures are rarely a person's best.
For the Google image search impaired...I'll join the "she is a cutie" bandwagon.
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They seem two different girls :hmm:
L.
Quote from: Pedrito on February 17, 2014, 11:30:51 AM
They seem two different girls :hmm:
L.
Cannot be that many Zana Novakovic alpine skiers out there. :hmm:
Another photo...Bosnia's biathalon lady is pretty cute too.
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Quote from: Pedrito on February 17, 2014, 11:30:51 AM
They seem two different girls :hmm:
L.
You're correct. Doing some analysis, that first photo is from the same event as the one I just posted, but showing the other girl.
I'm thinking now I linked the wrong chick. In Tonto's last pic I think the one on the right is the one I'm backing.
I give my preference to the girl on the right.
L.
Also kudos to the excellent pompadour of the dude on the left. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 17, 2014, 11:41:33 AM
I'm thinking now I linked the wrong chick. In Tonto's last pic I think the one on the right is the one I'm backing.
Then the one you want is Tanja Karisik. Her Facebook page has her doing the duck faces. :lol:
The Austrian girl looks dreamy. :wub:
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Is *that* the same chick? I thought she was a brunette.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 17, 2014, 12:08:42 PM
Is *that* the same chick? I thought she was a brunette.
There's one arcane knowledge called "hair dyeing".
Quote from: The Larch on February 17, 2014, 12:10:13 PM
There's one arcane knowledge called "hair dyeing".
Smart ass
:moon:
Well, I'm turned on.
By Yi's ass? :huh:
US 2-man bobsled ended that 62 year medal drought. 14 Winter Olympics.
Couldn't shave it any fucking closer on the Russians, either. :yeah:
Quote from: The Larch on February 17, 2014, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 17, 2014, 12:08:42 PM
Is *that* the same chick? I thought she was a brunette.
There's one arcane knowledge called "hair dyeing".
She keeps switching hair colors, yes.
Fourth orange podium :cool:
Are you people born with ice skates on or something? :hmm:
They perform their own caesarean.
Latvia upsets Switzerland in the first round of elimination play, leading to a Canada-Latvia quarter-final. :hmm:
Has anyone mentioned that the skip of the Russian women's curling team is hot as hell?
Warning - slightly NSFW pic:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2545392/From-Russia-love-Curling-ace-Anna-Sidorova-sets-pulses-raking-ahead-Winter-Olympics.html
She looks a lot like the hott Bosnians plainer teammate.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 18, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
She looks a lot like the hott Bosnians plainer teammate.
You really have a thing for that Bosnian. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on February 18, 2014, 03:09:04 PM
You really have a thing for that Bosnian. :lol:
She threatens me. :weep:
Quote from: Barrister on February 18, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
Latvia upsets Switzerland in the first round of elimination play, leading to a Canada-Latvia quarter-final. :hmm:
We earned a higher seed than you guys, and our first game is against the Czech Republic while you get Latvia. :rolleyes:
Quote from: alfred russel on February 18, 2014, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 18, 2014, 02:57:04 PM
Latvia upsets Switzerland in the first round of elimination play, leading to a Canada-Latvia quarter-final. :hmm:
We earned a higher seed than you guys, and our first game is against the Czech Republic while you get Latvia. :rolleyes:
I'd rather play the Czechs. Team canada needs to face high level opposition.
Quote from: Barrister on February 18, 2014, 03:47:33 PM
I'd rather play the Czechs. Team canada needs to face high level opposition.
We'll see you in the semis. :)
America sucks. I expect a bronze.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 18, 2014, 03:50:34 PM
America sucks. I expect a bronze.
WTF?
We have the last two silver medals, and went to overtime in the last gold medal game on the opponent's home ice. So far in this tournament we destroyed Slovenia and Slovakia and beat the Russians on their home ice.
It looks like our 3 game path to gold is Czech, Canada, and Finland/Russia/Sweden. That isn't an easy road to a gold (or even a medal at all). But America doesn't suck.
Right, so we lose to Canada in the semis and win the consolation. Bronze.
USA either wins gold or get upsets by the Czechs.
Russians seem to be getting a little chippy with the Norgies. I'd love to see a fight here, especially since it would make CC wet his pants.
Hmm... Two Jets playing for the Czechs, compared to one Jet playing for the US...
Go Czech Republic!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 18, 2014, 03:57:50 PM
Right, so we lose to Canada in the semis and win the consolation. Bronze.
Okay, but you said we suck. :ultra:
Quote from: Barrister on February 18, 2014, 04:06:13 PM
Hmm... Two Jets playing for the Czechs, compared to one Jet playing for the US...
Go Czech Republic!
And just a few minutes ago you were talking about Canada needing to face high level competiton. :P
The German women's curling team didn't qualify for Sochi, so we miss out on seeing Stella Heiß. :(
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Quote from: derspiess on February 18, 2014, 04:00:56 PM
I'd love to see a fight
Its always the lowest common denominator the ruins things.
I haven't been watching the Olympics but CNBC has been preempting Cramer in order to show curling so that's good.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 18, 2014, 04:27:49 PM
I haven't been watching the Olympics but CNBC has been preempting Cramer in order to show curling so that's good.
When I first heard that the some of the Olympics would be on CNBC I imagined ticker tapes of the value of medals going by the bottom of the screen.
When I heard they would be on MSNBC I imagined Al Sharpton coming on after every event where the US did not win gold and explaining that it was the fault of George W. Bush. Then there would be panel discussions about white privilege and the winter Olympics.
Quote from: Syt on February 18, 2014, 04:15:02 PM
The German women's curling team didn't qualify for Sochi, so we miss out on seeing Stella Heiß. :(
Very nice. :)
Curling used to be a game for overweight old people to play. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on February 18, 2014, 04:46:11 PM
Curling used to be a game for overweight old people to play. ;)
We were laughing about that around here just yesterday. How times have changed.
edit:
Here is a funny photo from a 1968 Brier - notice the sweeper with the smoke hanging out of his mouth. Now thats an athletic move!
http://blindrivercc.blogspot.ca/2013/03/wednesday-open-8-ender.html
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"Nelli Zhiganshina and Alexander Gazsi of Germany compete in the ice dance short dance figure skating competition at the Iceberg Skating Palace, on February 16, 2014."
:lol:
Quote from: Malthus on February 18, 2014, 03:03:50 PM
Has anyone mentioned that the skip of the Russian women's curling team is hot as hell?
Warning - slightly NSFW pic:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2545392/From-Russia-love-Curling-ace-Anna-Sidorova-sets-pulses-raking-ahead-Winter-Olympics.html
Oh my God, she's physically perfect.
Lovely Olympic Odometer, courtesy of the NYTimes
http://sochi2014.nytimes.com/odometer (http://sochi2014.nytimes.com/odometer)
L.
4am and struggling to stay awake watching the mouth sugars vs dgullers.
Fuck it, TiVo it is.
Russia is not doing well against the Finns.
Moscow will burn tonite.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 18, 2014, 03:50:34 PM
America sucks. I expect a bronze.
It's possible. Team USA does have a bunch of Maple Leafs on the team, and those guys are known for being choke artists.
Quote from: Maladict on February 19, 2014, 08:56:05 AM
Russia is not doing well against the Finns.
Teemu!!! :punk:
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 18, 2014, 05:11:29 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 18, 2014, 04:46:11 PM
Curling used to be a game for overweight old people to play. ;)
We were laughing about that around here just yesterday. How times have changed.
edit:
Here is a funny photo from a 1968 Brier - notice the sweeper with the smoke hanging out of his mouth. Now thats an athletic move!
http://blindrivercc.blogspot.ca/2013/03/wednesday-open-8-ender.html
I'm nostalgic for the olden days, when smokers could be Olympians. :D
Russians are on the ropes, down 3-1 with about four minutes remaining in the third period.
QuoteSOCHI, Russia – Meryl Davis and Charlie White's triumph in the Winter Olympics ice dance competition on Monday has sparked outrage over the treatment of silver medalists Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir of Canada and divided the figure skating community.
Accusations on social media and in the Canadian press that Virtue and Moir had been "robbed" started appearing as soon as their final scores flashed up at the Iceberg Skating Palace and quickly gathered steam.
"I personally do," said Canadian ice dancer Kaitlyn Weaver when asked if she believed that Virtue and Moir were better overall than Davis and White. "For me Tessa and Scott have rewritten the rules of ice dance. They are the best team since [Jayne] Torvill and [Christopher] Dean."
Canadian writer Rosie DiManno raised the murky subject of a possible "fix" that was suggested in French newspaper L'Equipe early in the competition. According to the story, judges at the Games were planning to conspire to give Russia gold in the team competition, with Davis and White securing victory for the United States in return.
"The villainy of ice dancing knows no bounds," wrote DiManno in the Toronto Star. "If the fix is not in against Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir, then I'm the Princess of Wales."
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/angry-fans--canadian-press-fired-up-over-ice-dance-judging-142853172.html
:lol:
That's sport is more rottent than Cycling.
Quote from: derspiess on February 19, 2014, 09:48:47 AM
Russians are on the ropes, down 3-1 with about four minutes remaining in the third period.
It's over. Further displaying the great Alexander Ovechkin's playoff magic.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 10:09:27 AM
That's sport is more rottent than Cycling.
Rottent to the core.
It's really hard for me to not press t after en. Sometimes I miss it.
Thing is the Russians outshot and outplayed the Finns. The Finns however had a much better starting goalie. Three goals on 15 shots isnt going to cut it. I forget the name of the Russian starter but if I was him I would get out of the country asap.
I was hoping for a classic Russian Canadian showdown in the gold medal game.
Semen Varlamov
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Thing is the Russians outshot and outplayed the Finns. The Finns however had a much better starting goalie. Three goals on 15 shots isnt going to cut it. I forget the name of the Russian starter but if I was him I would get out of the country asap.
I was hoping for a classic Russian Canadian showdown in the gold medal game.
No matter what you think of Russia or Russian hockey players, nobody wants to see them defeated in the quarter-finals.
Though I'm happy for Finland. :)
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
No matter what you think of Russia or Russian hockey players, nobody wants to see them defeated in the quarter-finals.
That was my first thought, but then the medal count is at stake, plus there's the schadenfreude at seeing Putin's boys lose out on their home ice.
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
No matter what you think of Russia or Russian hockey players, nobody wants to see them defeated in the quarter-finals.
:yes: Would've been sweeter if it happened against Norway.
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
No matter what you think of Russia or Russian hockey players, nobody wants to see them defeated in the quarter-finals.
I did. :)
Quote from: alfred russel on February 19, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
No matter what you think of Russia or Russian hockey players, nobody wants to see them defeated in the quarter-finals.
I did. :)
I dont understand that. Even Selanne said he was happy for the win by felt bad it had to come at the expense of the Russian players because he understood how much it meant to them to get to the meddle round.
It is just so freaking typical that there were these two young super stars and of course the Caps got the guy who can't win the big ones. Either that or the Caps ruined him, maybe if the Pens had gotten him instead Russia would be going for their third straight Gold Medal now.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 19, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
No matter what you think of Russia or Russian hockey players, nobody wants to see them defeated in the quarter-finals.
I did. :)
I dont understand that. Even Selanne said he was happy for the win by felt bad it had to come at the expense of the Russian players because he understood how much it meant to them to get to the meddle round.
Let me try to explain: Fuck Russia.
I have no animosity towards Russian athletes.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 19, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
No matter what you think of Russia or Russian hockey players, nobody wants to see them defeated in the quarter-finals.
I did. :)
I dont understand that. Even Selanne said he was happy for the win by felt bad it had to come at the expense of the Russian players because he understood how much it meant to them to get to the meddle round.
For me, it's not that I feel bad for the Russian players - it's just that it would have been even more tears to see them defeated in the finals. :menace:
It would not astonish me if at some point in the future places like Belarus and Abkazia held annexation referenda.
Fuck me and my constant wrong threading. :bleeding:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 12:35:43 PM
I have no animosity towards Russian athletes.
I don't either. But Putin is blowing $10s of billions on this and his hockey team won't make it out the quarterfinals. His women's team? Maybe if they had some more progressive gender policies they would have a shot there.
I was hoping that the Russian Olympic athletic efforts would collapse. So far they haven't, but the hockey team is a good start.
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:36:22 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 19, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
No matter what you think of Russia or Russian hockey players, nobody wants to see them defeated in the quarter-finals.
I did. :)
I dont understand that. Even Selanne said he was happy for the win by felt bad it had to come at the expense of the Russian players because he understood how much it meant to them to get to the meddle round.
For me, it's not that I feel bad for the Russian players - it's just that it would have been even more tears to see them defeated in the finals. :menace:
Like I said, I wanted to meet them in the gold medal game. It would have been the perfect dramatic ending to the Olympics. Now the Finns will be the competition for Gold. Not quite the same.
Seems like the Finns are the perennial bronze medalists in hockey, though glancing through recent history they've gotten silver about as many times.
Also, looking forward to the US-Canada cat fight tomorrow :)
Quote from: derspiess on February 19, 2014, 12:56:02 PM
Also, looking forward to the US-Canada cat fight tomorrow :)
Yes, that will be the third hockey game I watch this year.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 19, 2014, 12:56:02 PM
Also, looking forward to the US-Canada cat fight tomorrow :)
Yes, that will be the third hockey game I watch this year.
That good for a sport you hate. I have watch 0 Basketball game & it'll remain at that number for good long while.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 01:10:54 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 19, 2014, 12:56:02 PM
Also, looking forward to the US-Canada cat fight tomorrow :)
Yes, that will be the third hockey game I watch this year.
That good for a sport you hate. I have watch 0 Basketball game & it'll remain at that number for good long while.
I hate hockey for the reasons that are largely absent in the Olympics. During the Olympics we have a rare chance to watch real hockey and so I take advantage of that opportunity.
You simply hate a sport you dont understand. Nothing is going to change that unless you come over for a beer one day during March Madness and I can explain, in detail, why you should love the game.
4-1 US over Czechs.
Pavelec strikes again. :cry:
1-1 Canada - Latvia.
Yeah, this game is way too close. Tied half way through the second!
Shots are 31-9 atm. Just cant beat the goalie....
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 01:14:44 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 01:10:54 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 19, 2014, 12:56:02 PM
Also, looking forward to the US-Canada cat fight tomorrow :)
Yes, that will be the third hockey game I watch this year.
That good for a sport you hate. I have watch 0 Basketball game & it'll remain at that number for good long while.
I hate hockey for the reasons that are largely absent in the Olympics. During the Olympics we have a rare chance to watch real hockey and so I take advantage of that opportunity.
You simply hate a sport you dont understand. Nothing is going to change that unless you come over for a beer one day during March Madness and I can explain, in detail, why you should love the game.
I understand basketball, it has no defense & transition game. :zzz:
Woot - Gold in Bobsliegh.
I was hoping for that... I think Humphries is amazing
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 01:22:21 PM
I understand basketball, it has no defense & transition game. :zzz:
:huh:
Its all about the transition game. As for no defense - you are watching too much NBA.
Tied at the end of 2.
If basketball has no defense Gay, you should be able to score 100% of the time in a one on one game with crazy canuck. :ph34r:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 01:33:08 PM
If basketball has no defense Gay, you should be able to score 100% of the time in a one on one game with crazy canuck. :ph34r:
:D
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 01:33:08 PM
If basketball has no defense Gay, you should be able to score 100% of the time in a one on one game with crazy canuck. :ph34r:
People don't bother playing (much) defense until the last 5 minutes of a game because it is physically draining and the goals don't matter anyway.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 19, 2014, 01:35:43 PM
People don't bother playing (much) defense until the last 5 minutes of a game because it is physically draining and the goals don't matter anyway.
Surely you're not talking about college hoops.
The problem with basketball is that it is a game designed to encourage mutants. :P
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 19, 2014, 01:35:43 PM
People don't bother playing (much) defense until the last 5 minutes of a game because it is physically draining and the goals don't matter anyway.
Surely you're not talking about college hoops.
My impressions are mainly built on NBA games, though I doubt there's a whole lotta difference.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 19, 2014, 01:43:12 PM
My impressions are mainly built on NBA games, though I doubt there's a whole lotta difference.
TOTALLY INCORRECT
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 19, 2014, 01:43:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 19, 2014, 01:35:43 PM
People don't bother playing (much) defense until the last 5 minutes of a game because it is physically draining and the goals don't matter anyway.
Surely you're not talking about college hoops.
My impressions are mainly built on NBA games, though I doubt there's a whole lotta difference.
You should watch a college game before you make assumptions like that.
Also, the NBA game changes completely in the playoffs because then the effort is worth it. It would be physcially impossible to play the long NBA season and play defence on every possession. The college season has far fewer games and there are very few games that dont matter because of the way the teams are seeded in the Tournament.
Dude, I've seen college games before. :lol:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 19, 2014, 01:47:44 PM
Dude, I've seen college games before. :lol:
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. Now you're just a dumbass.
ENUF BASKETBALL TALK.
I'm not the one who's so oblivious that I didn't notice the teams played with more intensity late in the second half than early in the first.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Thing is the Russians outshot and outplayed the Finns. The Finns however had a much better starting goalie. Three goals on 15 shots isnt going to cut it. I forget the name of the Russian starter but if I was him I would get out of the country asap.
Once again, Finland beats the shit out of Russia on ice due to Russian incompetence.
BB, you still thinking that the Latvia matchup sucks because Canada needs to play top competition?
Quote from: alfred russel on February 19, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
BB, you still thinking that the Latvia matchup sucks because Canada needs to play top competition?
:huh:
The shots on goal are something like 45-11. Playing a defensive shell isnt top notch competition.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 19, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
BB, you still thinking that the Latvia matchup sucks because Canada needs to play top competition?
I dunno - can't watch the game.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 19, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
I'm not the one who's so oblivious that I didn't notice the teams played with more intensity late in the second half than early in the first.
Dumbass
OH Man, that one was close. Still tied.
Puck was going over the line, but the Latvian defensman pulled it away with his glove - should have been a penalty shot but the ref missed it and cant be reviewed on replay.
Quote from: Malthus on February 19, 2014, 01:36:57 PM
The problem with basketball is that it is a game designed to encourage mutants. :P
Yeah, particularly at the NBA level. I had been to a ton of college basketball games before I went to my first NBA game. Holy crap, all the guys on the court were freaks of nature. I like NBA games in person because of the sheer human spectacle. On TV they don't do so much for me.
We are on the power play
US-Czech game is a nailbiter.
Man the Latvian goalie is completely exhausted. We are now up to something like 55 shots. Still tied.
edit: We score!
Weber scores!!!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 01:33:08 PM
If basketball has no defense Gay, you should be able to score 100% of the time in a one on one game with crazy canuck. :ph34r:
I wouldnt be able to score 100% of the time against just a net.
It still has no defense.
You know watching this hockey game & comparing it to a regular NHL game. I think CCs problem is that he doesn't understand the need to send messages to your opposition.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 01:33:08 PM
If basketball has no defense Gay, you should be able to score 100% of the time in a one on one game with crazy canuck. :ph34r:
I wouldnt be able to score 100% of the time against just a net.
It still has no defense.
How many points do you think you would score going one on one against me? No offense but my bet is I stop every shot :P
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 02:18:13 PM
You know watching this hockey game & comparing it to a regular NHL game. I think CCs problem is that he doesn't understand the need to send messages to your opposition.
No, its that kind of bullshit reasoning that drives me crazy.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 01:33:08 PM
If basketball has no defense Gay, you should be able to score 100% of the time in a one on one game with crazy canuck. :ph34r:
I wouldnt be able to score 100% of the time against just a net.
It still has no defense.
How many points do you think you would score going one on one against me? No offense but my bet is I stop every shot :P
Nah. I am not going to get close to hitting the net on over 70% of my shots. You won't need to block all the time. :lol:
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:19:09 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 02:18:13 PM
You know watching this hockey game & comparing it to a regular NHL game. I think CCs problem is that he doesn't understand the need to send messages to your opposition.
No, its that kind of bullshit reasoning that drives me crazy.
This is the craziest thing I've heard since Josephus said that playoffs are a dumb idea.
That was way too close.
Yeah, way too close.
Well played Latvia.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:26:14 PM
That was way too close.
Hot goalie + giant ice. It produces that kind of results.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:26:14 PM
That was way too close.
Hot goalie + giant ice. It produces that kind of results.
I heard the commentators talk about the poor quality of the ice as well.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 19, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
BB, you still thinking that the Latvia matchup sucks because Canada needs to play top competition?
By the way - yes.
By that I mean no disrespect to Team Latvia, who obviously took Canada right to the wall.
But it was obvious that Canada has far, far, far more skill than the Latvians. So the Latvians did what any team that is overmatched should do - they committed hard to team defence and shot blocking, and hoped for a few lucky bounces in order to win. They played that role very well.
But for Canada, playing Latvia in no way prepares them for playing USA on Friday. Those will be two totally different games.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:26:14 PM
That was way too close.
Hot goalie + giant ice. It produces that kind of results.
I heard the commentators talk about the poor quality of the ice as well.
Given the number of Canadian shots on goal, I think the credit for the close result should go primarily to the Latvian keeper rather than the ice.
Quote from: Jacob on February 19, 2014, 02:33:33 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 19, 2014, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:26:14 PM
That was way too close.
Hot goalie + giant ice. It produces that kind of results.
I heard the commentators talk about the poor quality of the ice as well.
Given the number of Canadian shots on goal, I think the credit for the close result should go primarily to the Latvian keeper rather than the ice.
Yes, but the poor ice quality has an impact on the ability to make precise passes over distances and so the Canadians went to the strategy of just getting pucks on net and hoping for rebounds which really played to the Latvian strength of putting five guys around the net and commiting to a defensive shell. It would be interesting to know what percentage of play was in the Lavian zone - I wouldnt be suprised if it was over 80%
There's one obvious advantage of basketball: you can't just camp out on defense.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 02:44:19 PM
There's one obvious advantage of basketball: you can't just camp out on defense.
Exactly
Did anyone watch the US-Czech game?
How did Pavelec look in goal for the Czechs? I understand he was pulled?
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
Did anyone watch the US-Czech game?
How did Pavelec look in goal for the Czechs? I understand he was pulled?
He let 4 goals go in on 12 shot in 30mins of ice time.
His usual self.
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
Did anyone watch the US-Czech game?
How did Pavelec look in goal for the Czechs? I understand he was pulled?
I heard he looked like a Jet
Regarding Russia and hockey:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg1zyArCMAAHqbi.jpg)
:lol:
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 19, 2014, 01:53:25 PM
BB, you still thinking that the Latvia matchup sucks because Canada needs to play top competition?
By the way - yes.
By that I mean no disrespect to Team Latvia, who obviously took Canada right to the wall.
But it was obvious that Canada has far, far, far more skill than the Latvians. So the Latvians did what any team that is overmatched should do - they committed hard to team defence and shot blocking, and hoped for a few lucky bounces in order to win. They played that role very well.
But for Canada, playing Latvia in no way prepares them for playing USA on Friday. Those will be two totally different games.
Well Yi says we suck. So maybe we should try the shell tactic and hope for a few lucky bounces too. :rolleyes: :P
Dorsey: butthurt. :console:
Quote from: Jacob on February 19, 2014, 02:49:05 PM
Regarding Russia and hockey:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg1zyArCMAAHqbi.jpg)
http://www.sadtrombone.com/
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
Did anyone watch the US-Czech game?
How did Pavelec look in goal for the Czechs? I understand he was pulled?
I heard he looked like a Jet
Perhaps not for long?
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
Did anyone watch the US-Czech game?
How did Pavelec look in goal for the Czechs? I understand he was pulled?
I heard he looked like a Jet
Perhaps not for long?
For your sake, I hope that is true.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
Did anyone watch the US-Czech game?
How did Pavelec look in goal for the Czechs? I understand he was pulled?
I heard he looked like a Jet
Perhaps not for long?
For your sake, I hope that is true.
I had been hoping that he'd put on a strong performance and someone would want to trade for him after the Olympics.
But the second option might be more realistic - the Jets haven't used either of their post-lockout buyouts...
On Canadian temperature perception:
We have an attractive 20-something consultant from Toronto in the office. It was a 9°C day today and she was wearing a short thin dress. I told her that she was rather dressed for spring. She said that it's pretty much spring weather for her, and that she regretted wearing her jacket this morning.
Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
On Canadian temperature perception:
We have an attractive 20-something consultant from Toronto in the office. It was a 9°C day today and she was wearing a short thin dress. I told her that she was rather dressed for spring. She said that it's pretty much spring weather for her, and that she regretted wearing her jacket this morning.
Heh, around here is has been something like -15 for the last couple of months, so yeah 9 is like spring. :lol:
Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
On Canadian temperature perception:
We have an attractive 20-something consultant from Toronto in the office. It was a 9°C day today and she was wearing a short thin dress. I told her that she was rather dressed for spring. She said that it's pretty much spring weather for her, and that she regretted wearing her jacket this morning.
Sounds about right
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:36:22 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 19, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 19, 2014, 12:19:31 PM
No matter what you think of Russia or Russian hockey players, nobody wants to see them defeated in the quarter-finals.
I did. :)
I dont understand that. Even Selanne said he was happy for the win by felt bad it had to come at the expense of the Russian players because he understood how much it meant to them to get to the meddle round.
For me, it's not that I feel bad for the Russian players - it's just that it would have been even more tears to see them defeated in the finals. :menace:
yes a second loss to USA would have been sweeter.
Once is enough, the Russians don't get any medals that way, and Finns have their own axe to grind anyway. Today is the 74th anniversary of one of the days in the Winter War.
Quote from: DGuller on February 19, 2014, 04:57:41 PM
Once is enough, the Russians don't get any medals that way, and Finns have their own axe to grind anyway. Today is the 74th anniversary of one of the days in the Winter War.
:lol:
How awesome would it be if a Finnish player said that?
Quote from: DGuller on February 19, 2014, 04:57:41 PM
Once is enough, the Russians don't get any medals that way, and Finns have their own axe to grind anyway. Today is the 74th anniversary of one of the days in the Winter War.
The game did resemble some of the early battles of the Winter War.
Quote from: DGuller on February 19, 2014, 04:57:41 PM
Once is enough, the Russians don't get any medals that way, and Finns have their own axe to grind anyway. Today is the 74th anniversary of one of the days in the Winter War.
Not just that, but it is the 74th anniversary of Olli Huttunen, who was on the team that placed second in the 1936 Olympic biathlon. I'm sure they won this one for Olli.
Did the Olympics blow up yet.
CNN showed some video of a Russian copper whipping Pussy Riot in Sochi.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 07:41:03 PM
CNN showed some video of a Russian copper whipping Pussy Riot in Sochi.
Uh... is this one of your Yiisms, or did they literally get whipped?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 07:41:03 PM
CNN showed some video of a Russian copper whipping Pussy Riot in Sochi.
For the CdM fetish crowd...
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.cdn.turner.com%2Fcnn%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F140219105714-04-pussy-riot-in-sochi-horizontal-gallery.jpg&hash=ae48b031f85784dc392286eaaff268131210cd2e)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.cdn.turner.com%2Fcnn%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F140219105653-01-pussy-riot-in-sochi-horizontal-gallery.jpg&hash=1e0beca0603baf939976e0c78eade582b3ec2eec)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.cdn.turner.com%2Fcnn%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F140219105733-07-pussy-riot-in-sochi-horizontal-gallery.jpg&hash=49dcda0bd23eaecb4822325d8a8e7393fc3b0d7e)
Whacked with a belt looking thing.
Interesting collage Tonto. :hmm:
Thank CNN. :P
Quote from: Valmy on February 19, 2014, 12:30:42 PM
It is just so freaking typical that there were these two young super stars and of course the Caps got the guy who can't win the big ones. Either that or the Caps ruined him, maybe if the Pens had gotten him instead Russia would be going for their third straight Gold Medal now.
:P
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
On Canadian temperature perception:
We have an attractive 20-something consultant from Toronto in the office. It was a 9°C day today and she was wearing a short thin dress. I told her that she was rather dressed for spring. She said that it's pretty much spring weather for her, and that she regretted wearing her jacket this morning.
Sounds about right
Isn't 9°C winter for you guys on the left coast?
Quote from: Jacob on February 19, 2014, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 19, 2014, 07:41:03 PM
CNN showed some video of a Russian copper whipping Pussy Riot in Sochi.
Uh... is this one of your Yiisms, or did they literally get whipped?
Quite literally.
I watched the video of the whipping. So hot.
People behaving like a bunch of idiots? I would hope the police would show up and disperse them with a few sharp blows. That's justice, and there's no need for any further consequences.
Quote from: viper37 on February 19, 2014, 07:50:50 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 19, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
On Canadian temperature perception:
We have an attractive 20-something consultant from Toronto in the office. It was a 9°C day today and she was wearing a short thin dress. I told her that she was rather dressed for spring. She said that it's pretty much spring weather for her, and that she regretted wearing her jacket this morning.
Sounds about right
Isn't 9°C winter for you guys on the left coast?
She was from Toronto ;)
Ligety Ligety... :quagmire:
http://youtu.be/evNi4_2qHPY
NOT SAFE FOR SEEDY
WHAT IN THE WIDE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS
Those cats are on purrformance enhancing drugs.
:bleeding: Where's industrial shelving when you need it.
:lol:
:lol:
Friends restaurant is opening up for 8am start time on Fri for semi final game. Know where I'm going for breakfast
Quote from: Jacob on February 19, 2014, 02:49:05 PM
Regarding Russia and hockey:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg1zyArCMAAHqbi.jpg)
The mascot is inconsolable:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg2b0khIUAArMYe.jpg)
Also this happened :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26265230
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 20, 2014, 01:42:38 AMAlso this happened :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26265230
:lol:
Trust Cossacks to have a direct, workmanlike, solution to attention-whoring.
Ovechkin the choker. So sad.
At least he still rocks in the NHL video games. :)
Woot, Canada steals two going into the last end
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 20, 2014, 01:42:38 AM
Also this happened :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26265230
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbcimg.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fimages%2F73094000%2Fjpg%2F_73094951_73094950.jpg&hash=6c016c858c2a2b3a8a1c2514d0206b7c28eb8d4c)
Hey, isn't that Morrie from Goodfellas?
Morrie's wigs don't come off, even when you're beating up girls!
Quote from: katmai on February 20, 2014, 12:55:21 AM
Friends restaurant is opening up for 8am start time on Fri for semi final game. Know where I'm going for breakfast
It's possible I may be taking a long lunch tomorrow.
I will watch it on the internet just like all of my co-workers.
Bandwidth is going to suck. :lol:
Gold in women's curling.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 20, 2014, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: Malthus on February 20, 2014, 11:54:23 AM
Gold in women's curling.
Your skip has a big ass.
I know, I know - she's not as cute as that Bosnian.
No-one is as cute as that Bosnian. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 20, 2014, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: Malthus on February 20, 2014, 11:54:23 AM
Gold in women's curling.
Your skip has a big ass.
Some of us actually watch women's curling for the curling. -_-
Good for Jennifer Jones and Co. :thumbsup:
I've touched a nerve. :lol:
Let The Catfight begin.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 20, 2014, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: Malthus on February 20, 2014, 11:54:23 AM
Gold in women's curling.
Your skip has a big ass.
She also makes a lot more money than you, is more athletic than you and is adored by a nation. Why must you always hate women who wouldnt even be interested in meeting you?
:punk:
Damn CC took this one hard.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 20, 2014, 12:17:48 PM
Damn CC took this one hard.
Not so much that as I find it odd that Yi can only build himself up by making snide comments about women who are far more successful than him. I have a great dislike of that particular failing of character.
Second penalty of the game on a retaliation.
That British ref really sucks.
Its the problem we always have when the US and Canada play eachother. No other nations have decent womens refs.
Trying to watch at work but they've got us throttled so much it's very low res-- can barely see the puck.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:14:24 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 20, 2014, 11:54:53 AM
Quote from: Malthus on February 20, 2014, 11:54:23 AM
Gold in women's curling.
Your skip has a big ass.
She also makes a lot more money than you, is more athletic than you and is adored by a nation. Why must you always hate women who wouldnt even be interested in meeting you?
I was going to comment that Jones probably doesn't make more money than Yi (curling does not pay very well), but a quick check at Wikipedia shows that she was in-house counsel with an investment company, so she probably does pretty well for herself.
Of course that also means she's an almumnus of the U of Manitoba Law School. :punk:
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 20, 2014, 12:17:48 PM
Damn CC took this one hard.
Not so much that as I find it odd that Yi can only build himself up by making snide comments about women who are far more successful than him. I have a great dislike of that particular failing of character.
Does he really? How does he just not post everytime he goes at walmart to check out the fat chicks?
Quote from: derspiess on February 20, 2014, 12:35:25 PM
Trying to watch at work but they've got us throttled so much it's very low res-- can barely see the puck.
Both teams are playing very well. lots of good scoring chances for both teams. Both goalies playing well.
Just wish the ref wouldnt call so many questionable penalties against both teams.
Quote from: Barrister on February 20, 2014, 12:39:50 PM
I was going to comment that Jones probably doesn't make more money than Yi (curling does not pay very well), but a quick check at Wikipedia shows that she was in-house counsel with an investment company, so she probably does pretty well for herself.
Of course that also means she's an almumnus of the U of Manitoba Law School. :punk:
lol, she is a pretty well known lawyer.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:40:48 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 20, 2014, 12:35:25 PM
Trying to watch at work but they've got us throttled so much it's very low res-- can barely see the puck.
Both teams are playing very well. lots of good scoring chances for both teams. Both goalies playing well.
Just wish the ref wouldnt call so many questionable penalties against both teams.
That's funny. Here I was thinking that all this message sending would irk you up.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 20, 2014, 12:42:11 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:40:48 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 20, 2014, 12:35:25 PM
Trying to watch at work but they've got us throttled so much it's very low res-- can barely see the puck.
Both teams are playing very well. lots of good scoring chances for both teams. Both goalies playing well.
Just wish the ref wouldnt call so many questionable penalties against both teams.
That's funny. Here I was thinking that all this message sending would irk you up.
They are doing it correctly. The men for some reason insist on hugging eachother. Basketball players do it the best. :showoff:
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:43:08 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 20, 2014, 12:42:11 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:40:48 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 20, 2014, 12:35:25 PM
Trying to watch at work but they've got us throttled so much it's very low res-- can barely see the puck.
Both teams are playing very well. lots of good scoring chances for both teams. Both goalies playing well.
Just wish the ref wouldnt call so many questionable penalties against both teams.
That's funny. Here I was thinking that all this message sending would irk you up.
They are doing it correctly. The men for some reason insist on hugging eachother. Basketball players do it the best. :showoff:
I see no difference between this & this male hugging you speak off.
Good first period.
Hopefully the Ref picks up her game and we will have a game for the ages here.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 20, 2014, 12:44:37 PM
I see no difference between this & this male hugging you speak off.
Really, how many scrums after the whistle have you seen?
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:45:49 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 20, 2014, 12:44:37 PM
I see no difference between this & this male hugging you speak off.
Really, how many scrums after the whistle have you seen?
That's what you mean?
My mind is blown.
Which game are you talking about?
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 20, 2014, 12:39:50 PM
I was going to comment that Jones probably doesn't make more money than Yi (curling does not pay very well), but a quick check at Wikipedia shows that she was in-house counsel with an investment company, so she probably does pretty well for herself.
Of course that also means she's an almumnus of the U of Manitoba Law School. :punk:
lol, she is a pretty well known lawyer.
I actually did not know that until just now. :mellow:
Quote from: Barrister on February 20, 2014, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 20, 2014, 12:39:50 PM
I was going to comment that Jones probably doesn't make more money than Yi (curling does not pay very well), but a quick check at Wikipedia shows that she was in-house counsel with an investment company, so she probably does pretty well for herself.
Of course that also means she's an almumnus of the U of Manitoba Law School. :punk:
lol, she is a pretty well known lawyer.
I actually did not know that until just now. :mellow:
Thats understandable given the area you work in :)
Quote from: Barrister on February 20, 2014, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 20, 2014, 12:39:50 PM
I was going to comment that Jones probably doesn't make more money than Yi (curling does not pay very well), but a quick check at Wikipedia shows that she was in-house counsel with an investment company, so she probably does pretty well for herself.
Of course that also means she's an almumnus of the U of Manitoba Law School. :punk:
lol, she is a pretty well known lawyer.
I actually did not know that until just now. :mellow:
:hmm: So guys sent a bunch of amateurs to the Olympics?
Quote from: DGuller on February 20, 2014, 12:49:47 PM
Which game are you talking about?
Canada/US Womens hockey gold medal game.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 20, 2014, 12:49:47 PM
Which game are you talking about?
Canada/US Womens hockey gold medal game.
Canada and US are in the women's hockey final? :o What are the odds?
David Attenborough on Curling:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=777_1392789840
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:34:14 PM
That British ref really sucks.
Its the problem we always have when the US and Canada play eachother. No other nations have decent womens refs.
Then why does it have to be a woman ref?
Quote from: derspiess on February 20, 2014, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:34:14 PM
That British ref really sucks.
Its the problem we always have when the US and Canada play eachother. No other nations have decent womens refs.
Then why does it have to be a woman ref?
Euroweenies sexism.
Quote from: DGuller on February 20, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 20, 2014, 12:49:47 PM
Which game are you talking about?
Canada/US Womens hockey gold medal game.
Canada and US are in the women's hockey final? :o What are the odds?
You tell us, you are the accountant. Wait, no. Let's ask HVC a real accountant.
Quote from: derspiess on February 20, 2014, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 12:34:14 PM
That British ref really sucks.
Its the problem we always have when the US and Canada play eachother. No other nations have decent womens refs.
Then why does it have to be a woman ref?
I dont think it does. I mean a ref that officiates womens hockey. I am not sure if there are any men that do it. Not sure why they wouldnt.
Big save by US goalie
:w00t:
Man, I look away to do a bit of work....
Lack of focusness on your part. :P
Crap, can I get no work done!
:)
What's the status Speesh?
lol, at least working is an equal opportunity thing.
2-1 with 3 minutes left.
God damn official getting in the way. That is just bush league.
"Bush league."
he he, he he
Last minute equalizer. :w00t:
WOOOOOOTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!
NO!!!
overtime!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 20, 2014, 02:22:41 PM
"Bush league."
he he, he he
And they scored after they pulled the goalie
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 20, 2014, 02:22:41 PM
"Bush league."
he he, he he
And they scored after they pulled the goalie
That happened in the men's gold medal game in Vancouver.
Crazy.
Bad move by the US goalie.
OH man this is exciting
The OT is a mess.
After all that she calls THAT a penalty!!!!
Can you say make up call
Holy crap that should have been a penalty shot.
Do they even play hockey in Britain?
:glare:
Great powerplay. Grats Canadians.
WOOOT. Didnt matter we scored anyway.
WWWWWWOOOOOOOTTTTTTTT
Canadian goalie for MVP says I
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 02:55:26 PM
WOOOT. Didnt matter we scored anyway.
WWWWWWOOOOOOOTTTTTTTT
:cheers:
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Do the Olympics end this weekend?
:)
Another data point to show that women are a consistent source of disappointment and fustration. :(
Congrats Canada.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 20, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
Yes
Ah good, thanks. For some reason I was thinking they were ending on Mon or Tues.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 20, 2014, 03:11:56 PM
Another data point to show that women are a consistent source of disappointment and fustration. :(
I am not sure why that should be. They played a great game.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 03:19:10 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 20, 2014, 03:11:56 PM
Another data point to show that women are a consistent source of disappointment and fustration. :(
I am not sure why that should be. They played a great game.
They choked.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 20, 2014, 03:23:46 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 03:19:10 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 20, 2014, 03:11:56 PM
Another data point to show that women are a consistent source of disappointment and fustration. :(
I am not sure why that should be. They played a great game.
They choked.
The American Goalie made some amazing saves, the American defence was solid all game, the American forwards flew over the ice and were quicker than the Canadians. Normally the word "Choke" is associated with not playing well. If that definition of the word is accepted the Americans certainly did not choke.
The difference in the game was that the Canadian goalie stood on her head to keep the game close and then to keep the Americans from scoring in the OT. That has nothing to do with the Americans playing poorly and everything to do with the Canadian goalie playing the game of her life.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 20, 2014, 03:36:51 PM
The American Goalie made some amazing saves, the American defence was solid all game, the American forwards flew over the ice and were quicker than the Canadians. Normally the word "Choke" is associated with not playing well. If that definition of the word is accepted the Americans certainly did not choke.
The difference in the game was that the Canadian goalie stood on her head to keep the game close and then to keep the Americans from scoring in the OT. That has nothing to do with the Americans playing poorly and everything to do with the Canadian goalie playing the game of her life.
Sorry, but a two goal lead with less than five to go shouldn't be squandered. When the pressure was on they got rattled and gave up 3 goals in about 15 minutes. Choked.
Agree with AR-- this is about as much a choke as you can get. That's not to say the US gals didn't play a bad game overall-- nor to diminish what the Canuck chicks accomplished, it's just that the US had that elusive gold medal dead in their sights and couldn't finish out.
I'll probably re-watch the game tonight; I missed most of the important parts trying to watch it online.
Just like 1812 Canada foils our imperialistic expansionist plans for WORLD DOMINATION. Next time Canadians, next time. Our other Hockey team will avenge us tomorrow.
Fat chance.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 20, 2014, 05:28:47 PM
Fat chance.
I don't understand why you're so negative on Team USA's chances tomorrow.
Quote from: Barrister on February 20, 2014, 05:29:37 PM
I don't understand why you're so negative on Team USA's chances tomorrow.
Expectations management. :secret:
I think Team USA is the favourite going into the game tomorrow. They've had the better tournament so far.
Quote from: PRC on February 20, 2014, 05:36:01 PM
I think Team USA is the favourite going into the game tomorrow. They've had the better tournament so far.
iirc they have a higher seeding.
Who is #1 seed?
Sweden steamrolled everyone they played in the tournament so far.
I wouldn't worry about it. Even though they're more familiar with the cowardly nature of international hockey, the Swedes won't stand a chance against proper North American men. As we all know, Swedish men are too effeminate to be good at sports.
I'm worried about Canada. Imho, they didn't do that well in their games so far. But it will be a two sided game, for a change :)
Apparently they were watching the women's game in Toronto City Hall. Here is Rob Ford's reaction:
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Gosh, I love Rob Ford.
I am going to write him in next time I vote for mayor.
Good for Rob Ford.
Good for Canada, and congrats on the Hockey game. :)
So he hasn't had a heart attack yet?
Wow, I wouldn't have guessed that he is able to jump. :o
Jumping is easy; the reason you don't see fat people jumping often is the landing bit.
Besides, he's kinda cheating by lifting his legs toward his knees. I doubt he's even six inches off the ground.
He's a big guy, but it's not like he's Wal-Mart fat. He's probably not even 300 pounds.
Quote from: Neil on February 21, 2014, 08:33:11 AM
He's a big guy, but it's not like he's Wal-Mart fat. He's probably not even 300 pounds.
He's at least Chris Farley weight. That plus hard drugs = heart attack eventually.
Brad Jacobs wins gold for Canada in curling. :cool:
Quote from: Barrister on February 21, 2014, 10:43:09 AM
Brad Jacobs wins gold for Canada in curling. :cool:
:cool: That was a Curling clinic.
I've never seen Brad Jacob's ass.
:lol:
My hearing was adjourned, so I'm all set for hockey. :cool:
and the Canadian economy grinds to a stand still.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 21, 2014, 12:08:04 PM
and the Canadian economy grinds to a stand still.
we have the game playing in the conference room :D
Quote from: HVC on February 21, 2014, 12:50:12 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 21, 2014, 12:08:04 PM
and the Canadian economy grinds to a stand still.
we have the game playing in the conference room :D
My office is mostly empty. Only the antisocial remain watching on their computers.
Has it begun?
Um...no worries we are just setting them up for a heart crushing ending. As Bismarck once said: revenge is a dish best served in the 3rd period.
:w00t:
SCANDAL AT OLYMPICS!
VIRTUOUS KOREAN ICE PRINCESS ROBBED BY WICKED JUDGES!
WHORISH RUSSIAN TEENAGER FRAUDULENTLY AWARDED GOLD MEDAL:
QuoteGold for Russia, silver for South Korea's Yuna Kim, and controversy ensues
In the final chapter of her storied Olympic figure skating career, South Korea's Yuna Kim won silver -- not able to defend her shot at gold against a Russian teenager who seemingly came out of nowhere to get the top prize.
Instantly, there was controversy.
Russia's Adelina Sotnikova finished with a total score of 224.59, beating Kim's score of 219.11 by 5.48 points after the free skate program. Sotnikova, 17, became the first female Russian skater to win in the category.
Some pointed out that she had stepped out after landing a triple combination, and others raised questions about the anonymous judging system.
Dick Button, a men's figure skating two-time Olympic gold medalist, said he didn't think Sotnikova was the whole package.
It didn't help that one of the judges had been suspended for a year for trying to fix an event at the Winter Olympics 16 years ago. Or that another is married to the head of the Russian figure skating federation.
American figure skater Ashley Wagner also slammed the judging Thursday night. She skated without falling but finished seventh behind several skaters that had stumbled on the ice.
She even finished behind Russian skater Julia Lipnitskaia, who fell more than once.
"I feel gypped," Wagner said, according to Yahoo! Sports. "People don't want to watch a sport where you see people fall down and somehow score above someone who goes clean."
Critics have created a petition at change.org urging that the judging be investigated. Early Friday morning, the petition had more than 1.6 million supporters.
Opinions varied on whether the right skater got the gold medal.
Sotnikova's program had seven triple jumps, which was one more than Kim's. The final judgment split sports journalists and figure skating experts.
"It's debatable, but not a robbery," wrote Chris Chase of USA Today. "Sotnikova skated well enough to win gold. She had a carefully constructed program with seven triples, five of which were in a combo. Kim had six and three, respectively. Thus, Sotnikova was going in with a higher total and made more margin for error, which she took advantage of with a minor hop after one exchange."
Sotnikova's technical score of 75.54 dwarfed Kim's technical score of 69.69.
But others weren't convinced.
Kurt Browning, a four-time world champion, told The New York Times: "I just couldn't see how Yu-na and Sotnikova were so close in the components. I was shocked. What, suddenly, she just became a better skater overnight? I don't know what happened. I'm still trying to figure it out."
Italy's Carolina Kostner took the bronze.
Kim was looking to be only the third woman to defend her Olympic figure skating title, joining Katarina Witt, who took to the ice in Calgary 26 years ago, and Sonja Henie, who competed in the 1920s and '30s.
In 2010, she took gold in the Vancouver Olympics by a landslide, where she scored a record 228.56 points to win in women's figure skating. She eclipsed her closest rival by a massive 23.06 points.
Known as "Queen Yuna" to her legions of fans, Kim's victory in Vancouver made her the first Korean figure skater to win a gold medal.
This is the most appalling scandal in skating since... :unsure: four days ago when the Canadian Ice Dancing couple lost? :unsure:
I'm going waaay out on a limb to predict Koreans will be butthurt.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 21, 2014, 01:29:49 PM
I'm going waaay out on a limb to predict Koreans will be butthurt.
My facebook feed is already aflame from my various Korean associates.
Prepare to taste the bitter pill of defeat Canada. The third period shall belong to the REAL America. The warmer less socialist one.
Ukraine's women biathlon team defeats Russia for the gold. :hmm:
Man we gotta start turning up the heat here.
:Canuck:
:cry:
Congrats Canada.
:yeah:
Nice job, gentlemen. A real defensive clinic.
OH CANADA
:(
Congrats Canada that was a real grinder. Now on to glorious consolation against the Finns.
Canada! Canada! Canada!
Quote from: Valmy on February 21, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
:(
Congrats Canada that was a real grinder. Now on to glorious consolation against the Finns.
finland will win. They always get some hockey medal :D
Poop.
Quote from: HVC on February 21, 2014, 02:21:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 21, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
:(
Congrats Canada that was a real grinder. Now on to glorious consolation against the Finns.
finland will win. They always get some hockey medal :D
That is fine with me. Gold medal or bust. :cry:
What was the score?
No shame there. :)
It was a good game. CC probably hated every minute of it.
Goddamn, Yi. Is this the only site you access throughout the day??
Quote from: derspiess on February 21, 2014, 02:42:42 PM
Goddamn, Yi. Is this the only site you access throughout the day??
I check out Etrade sometimes. :unsure:
:frusty:
Quote from: Barrister on February 21, 2014, 12:03:31 PM
My hearing was adjourned, so I'm all set for hockey. :cool:
Somehow, I don't believe in coincidence... :showoff:
My best friend took a couple hrs off to watch the game with me, so we were cool.
On to Sunday, now :)
Quote from: HVC on February 21, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
Canada! Canada! Canada!
I'd still wish they could score a little more, but a win is a win, go Canada, go!
Quote from: viper37 on February 21, 2014, 03:12:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 21, 2014, 12:03:31 PM
My hearing was adjourned, so I'm all set for hockey. :cool:
Somehow, I don't believe in coincidence... :showoff:
Defence request. :contract:
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 21, 2014, 02:33:26 PM
It was a good game. CC probably hated every minute of it.
Why, there was no fighting and very little hugging and for sure no goons on the ice. If the NHL could put this kind of product on the ice people outside of Canada might even watch it.
I was wondering how an independent Quebec would do in the Winter Olympics. What sports would they be strongest in? I'm guessing hockey would be one.
Quote from: derspiess on February 21, 2014, 03:18:50 PM
I was wondering how an independent Quebec would do in the Winter Olympics. What sports would they be strongest in? I'm guessing hockey would be one.
Quebec athletes won a crapload of skiing / snowboarding medals.
Hockey, on the other hand... only three members of Team Canada hail from Quebec.
http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/feature/?id=1131
Quote from: Barrister on February 21, 2014, 03:28:31 PM
Hockey, on the other hand... only three members of Team Canada hail from Quebec.
http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/feature/?id=1131
Not saying they'd dominate in hockey; just speculating that it might be one of their stronger sports. Maybe they'd be the equivalent of a Finland or Sweden?
Quote from: derspiess on February 21, 2014, 03:32:14 PM
it might be one of their stronger sports.
Until they start handing out Olympic medals for erotic trapeze, there's no competition.
Quote from: derspiess on February 21, 2014, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 21, 2014, 03:28:31 PM
Hockey, on the other hand... only three members of Team Canada hail from Quebec.
http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/feature/?id=1131
Not saying they'd dominate in hockey; just speculating that it might be one of their stronger sports. Maybe they'd be the equivalent of a Finland or Sweden?
Hell, I dare say you could make a Team Manitoba and it'd be equivalent to at least the Czechs or so.
Around the time when Team Canada was selected some journalists put together hypothetical lists of a Canada B and a Canada C squad (comprised of the best players who didn't make the first team), and each of those looked like bona fide contenders for gold.
Obviously, I know the Jets roster the best, and of the four players who were selected for various olympic rosters, only one (Blake Wheeler) would remotely be in the conversation for some of the team's best players. All the rest are Canadians who didn't even get a sniff at an olympic roster.
Quote from: Barrister on February 21, 2014, 03:37:28 PM
Hell, I dare say you could make a Team Manitoba and it'd be equivalent to at least the Czechs or so.
Actually, take a look at this list and tell me Team Manitoba wouldn't be a strong contender:
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/province/active-nhl-players-born-in-manitoba-career-stats.html
Only weakness might be in goal. :hmm:
Teams would have a hard time scoring on team BC, and we would have scoring punch. We are very well represented on team Canada as it is.
What are the odds there are NHL players in the next Olympic hockey tournament? From what I have been hearing it sounds like a huge long shot.
Quote from: derspiess on February 21, 2014, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 21, 2014, 03:28:31 PM
Hockey, on the other hand... only three members of Team Canada hail from Quebec.
http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/feature/?id=1131
Not saying they'd dominate in hockey; just speculating that it might be one of their stronger sports. Maybe they'd be the equivalent of a Finland or Sweden?
Our best sports would be the Moguls, hands down.
Quote from: sbr on February 21, 2014, 07:24:34 PM
What are the odds there are NHL players in the next Olympic hockey tournament? From what I have been hearing it sounds like a huge long shot.
Why?
Quote from: DGuller on February 21, 2014, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: sbr on February 21, 2014, 07:24:34 PM
What are the odds there are NHL players in the next Olympic hockey tournament? From what I have been hearing it sounds like a huge long shot.
Why?
The NHL owners don't like it, they would much prefer a World Cup of Hockey in late autumn than taking a break in february when there's only the NBA to compete with in the US.
The NHL players only went to Sochi because the Russians basically said they were going anyway & the union decided to back them up.
Meh - the NHL talks a good game, but is just trying to grind the IOC for a few more concessions.
Plus, as bad as the Sochi is for time zones, South Korea would be worse.
It's true, I don't know what else they can ask for tho.
They already get paid for insurance & all transportation, can use Olympic footage, NHL media have access to mix media area.
I had heard that it was unlikely they would be back next time before the last couple of days, and now 2 very good NHL players have suffered season-ending injuries.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 21, 2014, 07:34:03 PM
It's true, I don't know what else they can ask for tho.
They already get paid for insurance & all transportation, can use Olympic footage, NHL media have access to mix media area.
Maybe they don't want anything except for their $10 million+ players to not get hurt for nothing.
Quote from: Syt on February 07, 2014, 01:20:03 PM5 Awful Stories You Haven't Heard About the Winter Olympics
#5. Sochi's Mayor Says the City Is Magically Gay-Free
And then the lugers, male figure skaters and female cross country skiers showed up
Quote from: Syt on February 07, 2014, 01:20:03 PM
#4. Russia Is Expanding Its Borders and Kicking People Out to Make Space for the Olympics
Russia is expanding? Thats what Russia does when solvent.
Quote from: Syt on February 07, 2014, 01:20:03 PM
#3. Shady Contractors Are Using the Olympics to Get Rich
:glare: I'm shocked
Quote from: Syt on February 07, 2014, 01:20:03 PM
#2. Sochi Will Be the Most Unfun Olympics Ever for Visitors
It's russia WTF do you expect?
Quote from: Syt on February 07, 2014, 01:20:03 PM
#1. Local Authorities Are Treating Animals Like Shit, People Like Animals
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Oh, well, at least they aren't treating people like they do regular russians.
This is a question for Dorsey. The Americans dominated round-robin play, scored a shit-ton of goals and were higher-seeded. The Canadians shut them out 1-0. Did the US men's team choke?
Quote from: sbr on February 21, 2014, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 21, 2014, 07:34:03 PM
It's true, I don't know what else they can ask for tho.
They already get paid for insurance & all transportation, can use Olympic footage, NHL media have access to mix media area.
Maybe they don't want anything except for their $10 million+ players to not get hurt for nothing.
Now that I can see. The Islanders were already pretty fucked, but now they have no chance to make the playoffs at all, and their biggest draw (who is also probably one of the top 5 plays in the NHL) is gone for the rest of the year. They'll be giving tickets away just to fill the place up and hopefully sell some beer.
Quote from: Neil on February 21, 2014, 07:59:54 PM
This is a question for Dorsey. The Americans dominated round-robin play, scored a shit-ton of goals and were higher-seeded. The Canadians shut them out 1-0. Did the US men's team choke?
No way. Men's and women's, the US and Canada have been the best sides the past dozen years or so (I think, I actually don't know about the women's). There is certainly no shame in a one goal loss, or an overtime loss, to a Canadian team.
However, to squander a 2 goal lead with less than 5 to go--and then let another one in not too far into the overtime period--that is something special. The team collapsed in the most critical period of the game. I don't know how else to describe it, and imo that is what choking is all about.
Women suck at sports.
I think that the US Men's team was cursed by the presence of Phil Kessel Ryan Kessler and James van Riemsdyk. As is typical for them, they battle hard through early games, only to not show up at the critical moment.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 21, 2014, 02:12:41 PM
:cry:
Congrats Canada.
Meh, it
is their sport, you know. We can give them that.
Besides, we have a shitload more black people than they do, so they can forget the Summer Olympics.
Quote from: derspiess on February 21, 2014, 03:18:50 PM
I was wondering how an independent Quebec would do in the Winter Olympics. What sports would they be strongest in? I'm guessing hockey would be one.
Hmm, I think we're gradually moving down the ladder when it comes to hockey, less and less excellent hockey players come from Quebec. Very good ones for sure, but not enough to make it to such teams like the Olympics.
Quote from: Barrister on February 21, 2014, 03:28:31 PM
Hockey, on the other hand... only three members of Team Canada hail from Quebec.
http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/feature/?id=1131 (http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/feature/?id=1131)
4, including St-Louis.
Quote from: viper37 on February 21, 2014, 11:56:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 21, 2014, 03:18:50 PM
I was wondering how an independent Quebec would do in the Winter Olympics. What sports would they be strongest in? I'm guessing hockey would be one.
Hmm, I think we're gradually moving down the ladder when it comes to hockey, less and less excellent hockey players come from Quebec. Very good ones for sure, but not enough to make it to such teams like the Olympics.
Yeah, it used to be that Quebec was the heart of hockey in Canada.
Watched a little bit of the ice pursuit or whatever the fuck that is. Teams of 3 chasing each other. Pretty good. Speed skating is definitely the most photogenic of winter games sports.
Norwegian sweep in the 30km cross country. And it looks like they'll secure the medal count with very few competitions left.
Svendson bombs the last shooting in the biathlon relay. :weep: :(
Russia takes it. Sochi goes nuts.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2014, 01:39:59 AM
Speed skating is definitely the most photogenic important of winter games sports.
fixed
Quote from: Maladict on February 22, 2014, 10:57:33 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2014, 01:39:59 AM
Speed skating is definitely the most photogenic important of winter games sports.
fixed
But that's not true. The hockey tournament is #1. All other sports are #2 or lower.
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:05:47 AM
But that's not true. The hockey tournament is #1. All other sports are #2 or lower.
It's the only other winter sport I'll go out of my way to watch, I'll grant you that much.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2014, 01:39:59 AM
Watched a little bit of the ice pursuit or whatever the fuck that is. Teams of 3 chasing each other. Pretty good. Speed skating is definitely the most photogenic of winter games sports.
That one Polish chick from last night was so huge, at first I thought I was watching the Men's heats. For a sport that relies on so much drafting, no wonder they're that good.
Looking at the score in Finland-USA, it seems like Carey Price might have broken the spirits of those American boys.
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:50:39 AM
Looking at the score in Finland-USA, it seems like Carey Price might have broken the spirits of those American boys.
It broke my spirit. I can't watch anymore US hockey atm.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:50:39 AM
Looking at the score in Finland-USA, it seems like Carey Price might have broken the spirits of those American boys.
It broke my spirit. I can't watch anymore US hockey atm.
Ah yes. The old 'glorious gold, so-so silver and shameful, shameful bronze' scenario.
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:54:57 AM
Ah yes. The old 'glorious gold, so-so silver and shameful, shameful bronze' scenario.
Not really. But we got the silver the last two times, and I was really into the run for gold. I thought we had a decent chance. It is hard to get excited for bronze when your big hope for the Olympics is crushed 24 hours before. If the game was next week, I'd probably feel differently.
Canada beating us all 3 times probably has a demoralizing aspect to it as well.
Finland. :punk:
Yeah, they seem demoralized. They're just taking penalties pretty much non-stop now, and the Finns are converting those opportunities.
Still, good for Finland. They had a good tournament.
Now its getting kind of sad.
We can still come back. :mad: :cry:
All these penalties. :bleeding:
I do blame Yi for this. He knows from the college football thread that it is important to do things like flash the hook em horns sign and put a team flag on your car to create synergies for your team. Some of us tried this, but Yi destroyed our synergy by saying we suck. Well guess what Yi? Now we do suck. Congratulations.
Quote from: HVC on February 22, 2014, 12:10:46 PM
Now its getting kind of sad.
Yeah. This was the kind of beating that the US was putting on other teams through the round-robin. It reminds me of Nagano, where Canada lost the semi-final and just didn't have the heart to play Finland in the consolation.
Quote from: DGuller on February 22, 2014, 12:14:19 PM
We can still come back. :mad: :cry:
:console:
The Russians are rooting for the Finns. :P
Quote from: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 12:15:56 PM
I do blame Yi for this. He knows from the college football thread that it is important to do things like flash the hook em horns sign and put a team flag on your car to create synergies for your team. Some of us tried this, but Yi destroyed our synergy by saying we suck. Well guess what Yi? Now we do suck. Congratulations.
:lol:
Quote from: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 12:15:56 PM
I do blame Yi for this. He knows from the college football thread that it is important to do things like flash the hook em horns sign and put a team flag on your car to create synergies for your team. Some of us tried this, but Yi destroyed our synergy by saying we suck. Well guess what Yi? Now we do suck. Congratulations.
When in doubt, blame Yi!
Sorry for your loss, the team just didn't seem to be there after the 1st goal.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 12:15:56 PM
I do blame Yi for this. He knows from the college football thread that it is important to do things like flash the hook em horns sign and put a team flag on your car to create synergies for your team. Some of us tried this, but Yi destroyed our synergy by saying we suck. Well guess what Yi? Now we do suck. Congratulations.
sorry
Watched a bit of women's slalom last night. Plain vanilla, not giant. The one in which the American girl CRUSHED HER ENEMIES AND DROVE THEM BEFORE HER. Plenty of eye candy on display there. Lots of nice poopers.
For some reason watching it brought barrel riding to mind. Similar demographic of petite, young girls, similar body dynamics on the course.
I want to re-watch Cool Runnings now.
No Canadian celebration? Are you awake?
Quote from: Liep on February 23, 2014, 07:53:03 AM
No Canadian celebration? Are you awake?
Sorry - slept through the 5am puck drop. <_<
Got to the game 2 min into the 2nd period. Damn Canada is looking good, if only for a 1-0 score.
And Sid makes it 2-0. :cool:
I woke up just in time for the first goal.
All is well. No need to get too excited quite yet. Still, Carey Price has to be tournament MVP.
It looks like the Canadians will win. As much fun as Spain in soccer... :cry:
Quote from: Threviel on February 23, 2014, 08:34:04 AM
It looks like the Canadians will win. As much fun as Spain in soccer... :cry:
I don't get the reference...
Quote from: Barrister on February 23, 2014, 08:50:23 AM
Quote from: Threviel on February 23, 2014, 08:34:04 AM
It looks like the Canadians will win. As much fun as Spain in soccer... :cry:
I don't get the reference...
Spain is too good, but good in a very boring way and not in the Usain Bolt spectacular good.
3-0. :cool:
I don't know. This game has been fairly spectacular, in a shooting-gallery sort of way. There was a time when Sweden was putting a bit of pressure on at the end of the first and the beginning of the second, but other than that it's been just total domination.
Gold. :cool:
Well, Canada won the Olympics.
I wonder if that guy at Paradox is going to break out the 'mountie fagits' picture again.
Carey Priiiiiiiiiiiice!
Quote from: Barrister on February 23, 2014, 08:50:23 AM
Quote from: Threviel on February 23, 2014, 08:34:04 AM
It looks like the Canadians will win. As much fun as Spain in soccer... :cry:
I don't get the reference...
Perhaps a bad comparison, should be more like Brazil. Sure, they are good and watching them play can be amusing, but they are winning so much that it becomes boring. Like Canada in Hockey.
ToughTluck for the Swedes. One of their best players was hurt, and another was busted for banned substances.
Quote from: Neil on February 23, 2014, 09:25:47 AM
Well, Canada won the Olympics.
:yes:
Gold medals in hockey and curling, men and women.
Quote from: Barrister on February 23, 2014, 11:07:57 AM
:yes:
Gold medals in hockey and curling, men and women.
And Russia finishes with the most medals, both gold and overall.
Pretty much a worst case scenario for the Olympics. (not that I hate Canada or there is anything wrong with you guys, but as far as hockey is concerned, you guys are the evil empire and our biggest rival--Russia is the only the biggest rival for the old people imo)
Russia lost where it counted - in hockey.
Let the Russian judges vote themselves gold in figure skating or whatever; let them win a dozen medals in obscure speed skating events no-one watches. They lost in hockey, so they lost. :lol:
Nice touch on the 5th ring gag in the closing
Canadians care a lot about hockey.
I'm glad the US sorta fell on its face this Olympics.
Its too bad the short track ice was so bad. If it was decent we would have won the most gold medals again.
As it is we won all the gold medals that matter.
Quote from: garbon on February 23, 2014, 12:00:48 PM
Canadians care a lot about hockey.
And the Dutch care a lot about long track speed skating, the Norwegians care a lot about cross country skiing - I wonder if you notice a trend here?
So I guess that means Russia/USA/China care about....ZOMG WE R SUPER POWER...MUST BE WINNING IT ALL!!!111.
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 23, 2014, 12:17:31 PM
So I guess that means Russia/USA/China care about....ZOMG WE R SUPER POWER...MUST BE WINNING IT ALL!!!111.
lol
Two questions, why does Denmark suck? Sweden, Norway, and Finland all finished top 20, Denmark got zilch. Also, why are there a million speed skating events.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 23, 2014, 12:16:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 23, 2014, 12:00:48 PM
Canadians care a lot about hockey.
And the Dutch care a lot about long track speed skating, the Norwegians care a lot about cross country skiing - I wonder if you notice a trend here?
It was just a note on how excitable you all seem in the last few posts.
Quote from: HVC on February 23, 2014, 12:23:42 PM
Two questions, why does Denmark suck? Sweden, Norway, and Finland all finished top 20, Denmark got zilch. Also, why are there a million speed skating events.
Why are there a million track & field events in the Summer games?
But still, I am sure there is ultimately some amount of "medal-inflation" involved. But also, the more events out there, the better the chances are for some smaller country to win some medals.
Closing ceremony:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fx6DzW5f.jpg&hash=bbd768c47d4c8009e3a786ecaba9fa38db809655)
Well played :lol:
Quote from: HVC on February 23, 2014, 12:23:42 PM
Two questions, why does Denmark suck? Sweden, Norway, and Finland all finished top 20, Denmark got zilch. Also, why are there a million speed skating events.
NBC paid a thousand billion dollars for broadcast rights and
wants needs more content.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 23, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
I'm glad the US sorta fell on its face this Olympics.
Seems we're doing better, used to be a dozen medals was a good winter haul.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 23, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
I'm glad the US sorta fell on its face this Olympics.
Seems we're doing better, used to be a dozen medals was a good winter haul.
just this year, there are 12 new events...
For comparison, in Calgary the Soviets won 29 medals without the home advantage. We got 6.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 12:59:44 PM
For comparison, in Calgary the Soviets won 29 medals without the home advantage. We got 6.
The Soviets had the Soviet system. Also, so many of the new events that have been added are US oriented events. All the snowboarding and freestyle skiing, for example. Plus adding women's events really helps us because we foster women's sports better than almost anyone.
It would be interesting to see what our medal count would have been if we only had the events that were in Calgary.
Because I have too much time on my hands, I checked the records.
Had the event list been the same as Calgary, the US would have had 8 medals in Sochi. Broken down as follows:
Alpine Skiing: 5 medals
Bobsled: 2 medals
Luge: 1 medal
We had the following medals in Sochi in post Calgary disciplines:
Freestyle skiing: 7
Snowboarding: 5
Skeleton: 2
Short Track: 1
We had the following medals in new competitions in Sochi in post Calgary disciplines:
Bobsled: 2 (both new women's event)
Figure Skating: 2 (ice dancing, and team event)
Ice Hockey: 1 (new women's event)
Quote from: garbon on February 23, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
It was just a note on how excitable you all seem in the last few posts.
Thats what happens when you win gold in dominating style in the most important event at the Winter Olympics.
And all 6 of the medals we had there were on ice skates- this year was indeed really bad for our speed and figure skaters. But why focus solely on those events?
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 23, 2014, 01:37:27 PM
Thats what happens when you win gold in dominating style in the most important event at the Winter Olympics.
What, I think we've kept it in check in talking about our country's glorious women's slalom win. :huh:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 23, 2014, 01:37:27 PM
Thats what happens when you win gold in dominating style in the most important event at the Winter Olympics.
What, I think we've kept it in check in talking about our country's glorious women's slalom win. :huh:
:D
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 01:39:17 PM
And all 6 of the medals we had there were on ice skates- this year was indeed really bad for our speed and figure skaters. But why focus solely on those events?
I wouldn't focus on just the old events. I don't think snowboarding is in any way less valid than speed skating. I just think that if we are comparing medal counts we have to take into account that in 1988 the sport list was much smaller and the sports added have more of an American focus.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 23, 2014, 01:27:57 PM
Because I have too much time on my hands, I checked the records.
Had the event list been the same as Calgary, the US would have had 8 medals in Sochi. Broken down as follows:
Alpine Skiing: 5 medals
Bobsled: 2 medals
Luge: 1 medal
We had the following medals in Sochi in post Calgary disciplines:
Freestyle skiing: 7
Snowboarding: 5
Skeleton: 2
Short Track: 1
We had the following medals in new competitions in Sochi in post Calgary disciplines:
Bobsled: 2 (both new women's event)
Figure Skating: 2 (ice dancing, and team event)
Ice Hockey: 1 (new women's event)
Yes the addition of Freestyle skiiing & snowboarding events have led to a very good haul for both the US & Canada. Money & Viewers for the IOC.
Alpine skiing is boring as fuck to watch.
We shouldn't get too comfortable, in a generation those events will be dominated by Asians just like diving and gymnastics are. Well, the ones that aren't races.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 02:00:57 PM
We shouldn't get too comfortable, in a generation those events will be dominated by Asians just like diving and gymnastics are. Well, the ones that aren't races.
I doubt it. We compete well in women's gymnastics. The Chinese in particular dominate diving because no one else does it (which is part of why they put so much effort into it). We have roughly a zillion young people trying to do tricks on snowboards. I think that system will produce better results than having a very few handpicked athletes training in a Chinese system.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 02:00:57 PM
We shouldn't get too comfortable, in a generation those events will be dominated by Asians just like diving and gymnastics are. Well, the ones that aren't races.
I think the Europeans will cut into our freestyle skiing and snowboarding edge.
It is odd to me that the Europeans dominate Alpine skiing as much as they do. I think they do better at developing top talent.
I have jumped off diving boards hundreds of times in my life, never been on a snowboard. :huh:
Anything which involves judging how perfectly somebody contorts their body seems to be increasingly dominated by Asians.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
I have jumped off diving boards hundreds of times in my life, never been on a snowboard. :huh:
Anything which involves judging how perfectly somebody contorts their body seems to be increasingly dominated by Asians.
It comes from having to fit into those tiny living spaces and recycling tanks.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
I have jumped off diving boards hundreds of times in my life, never been on a snowboard. :huh:
Anything which involves judging how perfectly somebody contorts their body seems to be increasingly dominated by Asians.
You live in the south.
You guys will love this; after watching the Olympics, my 7 year old niece wants to try ice hockey. Next week, US Hockey is offering a "suit-em-up-strap-em-on-try-it-out" camp for the lil' tykes, and she's jacked up for it.
I'm going to have Marty McSorley as my 7 year old niece.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 23, 2014, 02:59:49 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
I have jumped off diving boards hundreds of times in my life, never been on a snowboard. :huh:
Anything which involves judging how perfectly somebody contorts their body seems to be increasingly dominated by Asians.
You live in the south.
Sure, but Dorsey said nobody else dives beside the Chinese. It's pretty much a natural thing to do at the pool.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 23, 2014, 02:59:49 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
I have jumped off diving boards hundreds of times in my life, never been on a snowboard. :huh:
Anything which involves judging how perfectly somebody contorts their body seems to be increasingly dominated by Asians.
You live in the south.
Sure, but Dorsey said nobody else dives beside the Chinese. It's pretty much a natural thing to do at the pool.
I've never witnessed people diving in a competitive way like they do in the Olympics. I don't know anyone who dives as an athlete. Cannonballs and bellyflops to splash people outside of the pool are the pinnacle of normal pool skills.
Maybe that is similar to an 7 year old doing basic tricks on a snowboard, but I think people with snowboard aptitude are treated a bit differently than a person who can dive without making a big splash. You go on the slopes and parents and instructors are cultivating young snowboards and skiers similar to baseball and basketball players. I don't see that in swimming pools with divers (with swimmers, yes). Maybe that is my lack of experience though.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 23, 2014, 03:33:42 PM
You go on the slopes and parents and instructors are cultivating young snowboards and skiers similar to baseball and basketball players.
Is that really very common though? Seems all the cases you hear about it, the parents were involved in the sport as well.
I would say people "who go on the slopes" at all are very much a minority to begin with.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 23, 2014, 03:47:23 PM
I would say people "who go on the slopes" at all are very much a minority to begin with.
It's an elitist sport, more so than even golf.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 23, 2014, 03:46:05 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 23, 2014, 03:33:42 PM
You go on the slopes and parents and instructors are cultivating young snowboards and skiers similar to baseball and basketball players.
Is that really very common though? Seems all the cases you hear about it, the parents were involved in the sport as well.
I think it is, if you are a kid in the Rockies or Alps. And your parents have some money. Obviously that is going to be a minority of people.
All I know is that I've been skiing a few times and there are a lot of young people out who are skiing and snowboarding and apparently taking it very seriously. Maybe my impression is warped by there not being a huge number of ski resorts so a somewhat rare hobby is concentrated in just a few places.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 23, 2014, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 23, 2014, 03:47:23 PM
I would say people "who go on the slopes" at all are very much a minority to begin with.
It's an elitist sport, more so than even golf.
Yes and no. It is an expensive holiday for a couple of weeks. But then the prices for a two week or season pass in a lot of areas are not so different, and obviously if you go regularly once you buy the equipment you don't have to shell out every trip.
I met some guys in Colorado a few years back that worked their asses off as roofers during the summer, saved their money, and then took winters off to ski. I think they were like 4 guys living in a room, but they were making it work.
Quote from: HVC on February 23, 2014, 12:23:42 PM
Two questions, why does Denmark suck? Sweden, Norway, and Finland all finished top 20, Denmark got zilch.
It rarely snows in Denmark, highest point is 180m, no tradition for winter sports, and not much support to athletes who wants to try.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 23, 2014, 03:05:40 PM
You guys will love this; after watching the Olympics, my 7 year old niece wants to try ice hockey. Next week, US Hockey is offering a "suit-em-up-strap-em-on-try-it-out" camp for the lil' tykes, and she's jacked up for it.
I'm going to have Marty McSorley as my 7 year old niece.
:)
Quote from: Liep on February 23, 2014, 04:31:29 PM
Quote from: HVC on February 23, 2014, 12:23:42 PM
Two questions, why does Denmark suck? Sweden, Norway, and Finland all finished top 20, Denmark got zilch.
It rarely snows in Denmark, highest point is 180m, no tradition for winter sports, and not much support to athletes who wants to try.
I was going to say that Sweden, Norway and Finland have real, rugged wilderness and nature, while Denmark has lots of cows and flat pastures. :P
Quote from: alfred russel on February 23, 2014, 03:59:41 PM
I think it is, if you are a kid in the Rockies or Alps. And your parents have some money. Obviously that is going to be a minority of people.
Skiing is available in a lot more areas than that.
Even growing up poor I skied and so did everyone I knew. Now, we didnt get to ski at Whistler - that would have taken money. But the local mountain was good enough.
I was working tonight so didn't see the closing ceremony, but really, no comments on the rings? Russia showing that kind of humour is great. :P
Quote from: Liep on February 23, 2014, 05:48:30 PM
I was working tonight so didn't see the closing ceremony, but really, no comments on the rings? Russia showing that kind of humour is great. :P
I thought that was well done
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 23, 2014, 04:55:23 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 23, 2014, 03:59:41 PM
I think it is, if you are a kid in the Rockies or Alps. And your parents have some money. Obviously that is going to be a minority of people.
Skiing is available in a lot more areas than that.
Even growing up poor I skied and so did everyone I knew. Now, we didnt get to ski at Whistler - that would have taken money. But the local mountain was good enough.
Did you have a lift, or did you hump it up the mountain?
Quote from: Liep on February 23, 2014, 05:48:30 PM
I was working tonight so didn't see the closing ceremony, but really, no comments on the rings? Russia showing that kind of humour is great. :P
I did not know Russians had a sense of humor.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 23, 2014, 07:37:14 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 23, 2014, 04:55:23 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 23, 2014, 03:59:41 PM
I think it is, if you are a kid in the Rockies or Alps. And your parents have some money. Obviously that is going to be a minority of people.
Skiing is available in a lot more areas than that.
Even growing up poor I skied and so did everyone I knew. Now, we didnt get to ski at Whistler - that would have taken money. But the local mountain was good enough.
Did you have a lift, or did you hump it up the mountain?
A bit of both. The local mountain had three lifts. Some days we would save the money for the lift pass and jusk hike up some local hills. For the generation of skiers before me it was fairly common to hike up and ski down. That is actually how Whistler was founded. A group of people decided they were starting to get a bit old to hike up, pooled their money together and built the first lift there.
When I visited a high school buddy in Telluride Colorado I was told the Telluride Triatholon consisted of biking to the top of a mountain, fucking at the peak, then skiing down.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 24, 2014, 10:26:26 AM
When I visited a high school buddy in Telluride Colorado I was told the Telluride Triatholon consisted of biking to the top of a mountain, fucking at the peak, then skiing down.
Yeah, I heard the Colorado guys prided them on how fast they can finish. Thats why all the girls started coming north. :showoff:
http://www.dw.de/the-olympic-illusion/a-17452597
QuoteThe Olympic illusion
The most costly and warmest Olympic Winter Games have ended, with Russia, much to the delight of Vladimir Putin, topping the medal table. DW's Josha Weber says there was also plenty to criticze in and around Sochi.
When assessing the Sochi Games, one place you could begin is where they didn't take place: in Pobedy Park, located 12 kilometers (7.5 miles) away from the actual site of the Olympics. There, among the pansies, park benches and evergreens, the tone for these Games could have been set. It was there, in the official protest zone, that those who thought it absolutely necessary to protest against human rights abuses, Sochi-gigantism or even the autocratic Olympic host, Vladimir Putin, were free to gather.
However, apart from the odd pedestrian, almost nobody turned up. This was hardly any surprise, because the regulations required would-be protesters to apply for a permit - and have it approved - well in advance. The protest zone was also a long way from the actual games and no more than 100 people were to be allowed to demonstrate at any one time. In other words, this was a farce.
A farce, by its very nature, is not to be taken seriously. This could be said of some of the sporting performances in Sochi as well. Take the top German woman in the biathlon, Evi Sachenbacher-Stehle, for example. Fast on the trail, she was subsequently disqualified after failing a doping test. She, too, is no longer to be taken seriously.
Just as farcical is the sporting authorities' talk of "isolated cases." They claim that while a few individuals dope, the overwhelming majority of athletes are clean. The International Olympic Committee's argument that this is proved by the fact that most tests turn up negative is also a farce.
The clean-games illusion
For evidence of this view, one needs to look no further than the range of possibilities to fool the testers. There are designer drugs, micro-doses of already known drugs and new doping agents such as "Full Size MGF." According to German public broadcaster ARD, Russian athletes have even been using xenon gas to help improve their performances. All of this is undetectable for the doping testers.
Also not to be taken seriously: The media coverage of the doping cases in Sochi which have come to light. For many days doping wasn't even an issue. Then rumors of a positive test emerged and journalists were all over it.
The story of the "sinner," Evi Sachenbacher-Stehle, was recounted, with journalists accepting unquestioned the speculation forwarded by some of those close to her, that a tainted Chinese energy bar was to blame.
Shortly afterwards, the hosts on German public television's coverage of the Games were only to glad to turn "back to the sports ... "
Moral responsibility ignored
Doping? According to IOC officials, this has nothing to do with sports - neither does environmental destruction, locked up activists, police violence in front of Olympic venues, homophobic laws, exploited migrant workers or total surveillance by the Russian secret service.
The list of justified criticism of these games is a long one. But the IOC closes its eyes in the face of what was set into motion to make this great sporting event possible. Those who turn over billions of rubles while refusing to take responsibility for the negative consequences - not even moral responsibility - are really not to be taken seriously.
So why does the Olympic illusion work so well? Quite simply: The product the IOC offers is so good and in such high demand that any serious criticism is undermined from the get go.
The images of Germany's Carina Vogt in tears after her surprise gold medal in ski jumping, or spectacular jumps in freestyle competitions, or speedskating races decided by hundredths of seconds, or last-minute comebacks in ice hockey, all offer sports fans incredible thrills and drama.
Olympic gigantism here to stay
This means that in the future, the IOC will be able to take the Winter Olympics to other new non-traditional but wealthy (winter sports?) regions. This Olympic gigantism isn't going anywhere.
IOC President Thomas Bach has described Sochi as an excellent Olympics. He's right - if you focus only on the sporting competitions themselves. Nobody cares about all the rest of it anyway...
I didn't really care about the sporting parts either. :showoff:
I think Sochi will be remembered as an embarrassing Olympics. A quasi dictator spending an obscene amount of money to hold a winter olympics in a tropical location. Yeah the venues were nice, the Opening Ceremonies good, and the athletics exciting, but in 10 years after Sochi has gone back to being what it was people are going to be like "wtf was that?"
Quote from: sbr on February 24, 2014, 12:53:03 PM
I didn't really care about the sporting parts either. :showoff:
:hug:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 07, 2014, 03:35:41 PM
I really wish the IOC would drop the notion of hosting the Games in third world countries.
Me and Chuck? Same wave length, 'cause we've got it like that.
QuoteChuck Schumer hits IOC for picking Russia
Sen. Chuck Schumer slammed the International Olympic Committee on Monday for selecting Russia to host the just-concluded Winter Olympics, urging changes to how host nations are selected.
The day after the games finished in Sochi, Russia, Schumer put out a statement criticizing giving a nation with a history of human rights violations the chance to host the games and said that countries' records on human rights should factor in to future hosting decisions.
"It boggles my mind that the IOC chose to play these games in Sochi at all," the New York Democrat said. "Unfortunately, awarding the Olympic Games to a bad actor does not seem to be a rare occurrence for the Olympics. In the past six years, we have had two countries with shoddy human rights records hosting the games – Russia and China. And I believe we are sending the wrong message by continuing to give a platform to these countries and their leaders by awarding them the most precious international sporting event we have."
Schumer listed anti-gay propaganda laws, workers' rights and an unfriendly climate for journalists as reasons Russia should not have been granted the games.
The third-ranking Democrat in the Senate said he would send a letter to the IOC asking for changes Tuesday, to join a letter sent by 33 human rights groups to the committee, as well.
While the games went off mostly without a hitch, controversy swirled around the games' lead-up for security concerns, the anti-gay laws and the nation's frosty relationship with the United States, drawing scrutiny from a number of lawmakers.
I for one look forward to Pyongyang '24.
In Soviet Sochi, the singularity singulars you.
Chuck Schumer shows his typical lack of thought and reflection. The IOC is full of Eurotrash. If there was a human rights test, the US would be failed on account of the death penalty, support for Israel and black people being criminals.
I know I'm late with this, but since I don't hardly ever come here anymore screw you.
I just wanted to say congratulations to the Canuckians on this board for the ice-hockey gold medal, your national team was clearly better then ours. Most other Swedish I've spoken to said that it wouldn't have mattered even if both Bäckström and Zetterberg played that game, team Canada was just that good in that game.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 24, 2014, 01:39:34 PM
I think Sochi will be remembered as an embarrassing Olympics. A quasi dictator spending an obscene amount of money to hold a winter olympics in a tropical location. Yeah the venues were nice, the Opening Ceremonies good, and the athletics exciting, but in 10 years after Sochi has gone back to being what it was people are going to be like "wtf was that?"
Putin has a habit of starting wars under the cover of olympic games.
Heh, the 50 billion dollar goodwill earned by the Sochi games did not last one week after the closing ceremony.
Meh, so far, my scan of the American news media today is..."Russia has troops invading Ukraine in the Crimea....AND NOW FUCK THAT FOREIGNER NOISE...HERE IS SOME OSCAR AWARDS GOSSIP!
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 02, 2014, 10:13:18 AM
Meh, so far, my scan of the American news media today is..."Russia has troops invading Ukraine in the Crimea....AND NOW FUCK THAT FOREIGNER NOISE...HE IS SOME OSCAR AWARDS GOSSIP!
Yeah, I was anxious to tune into some American news networks to hear the latest on the American view and all I got was speculation on all things Oscar.
A couple weeks ago I would wake up to hear the good news about how athletes were doing at the Olympics, now I wake up to war becoming more likely.
I'd still rather hear the oscar shit than see the screen split into 8 boxes with heads in them yelling at each other.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 02, 2014, 10:23:49 AM
I'd still rather hear the oscar shit than see the screen split into 8 boxes with heads in them yelling at each other.
Dont watch Fox?
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 02, 2014, 10:23:49 AM
I'd still rather hear the oscar shit than see the screen split into 8 boxes with heads in them yelling at each other.
Shouldn't you be having a war boner about now? :mad:
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 02, 2014, 10:25:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 02, 2014, 10:23:49 AM
I'd still rather hear the oscar shit than see the screen split into 8 boxes with heads in them yelling at each other.
Shouldn't you be having a war boner about now? :mad:
Not over white people killing each other.
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 02, 2014, 10:13:18 AM
Meh, so far, my scan of the American news media today is..."Russia has troops invading Ukraine in the Crimea....AND NOW FUCK THAT FOREIGNER NOISE...HERE IS SOME OSCAR AWARDS GOSSIP!
But dude, it's the Oscars.
Jennifer Lawrence and Chiwetel Ejifofor are gonna get sooooo many ukrainians killed.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 02, 2014, 10:26:26 AM
Not over white people killing each other.
Do Russians count as white people?
The Paralympics start on Friday. Not that anyone really pays attention to those, but how will they be affected by the situation? Cameron already said that no UK ministers should attend.
Regardless, I expect Timmay and Ed to medal in the 1,500 Potato Sack Relay at the Games.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2014, 01:11:20 PM
Regardless, I expect Timmay and Ed to medal in the 1,500 Potato Sack Relay at the Games.
Its a Summer sport :smarty:
Fine. Two-man bobsled. You use the bad legs as brakes.
I'm gonna potato sack you. You'll wake up in a strange forest.
:lol:
The Americans get their revenge :(
QuoteDeclan Farmer had two goals and an assist Thursday as the United States defeated Canada 3-0 in the sledge hockey semfinals at the Sochi Paralympic Winter Games.