The new football year starts, appropriately, with the SEC whining about Jim Harbaugh out-thinking them again (same start as last year! :lol:)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/25478600/sec-looking-to-block-michigan-from-holding-spring-practice-in-florida (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/25478600/sec-looking-to-block-michigan-from-holding-spring-practice-in-florida)
QuoteThe SEC has asked the NCAA to prohibit college football teams from holding spring practice during spring break, commissioner Greg Sankey told CBS Sports on Tuesday.
The move is obviously a direct response to Michigan's recent announcement that it would conduct part of its spring practice at IMG Academy in Bradenton, Florida.
Coach Jim Harbaugh said on National Signing Day that the Wolverines would begin practice at IMG during their spring break from Feb. 27 to March 6.
There is currently no NCAA rule prohibiting such a move.
...
"Our primary reaction [is] that, in the face of the time-demand conversations, we've got one program taking what has been 'free time' away," Sankey said. "Let's draw a line and say, 'We didn't think of that' err 'That's not appropriate.'"
A free trip to Florida with all your buddies over Spring Break? What a hardship! Thank Hod the SEC is here to save student-athletes from such exploitation! I don't think that the SEC quite understands the financial bind faced by athletes that have no bag men to pay for their Florida vacations.
UDub has a bandwagon!
Georgia's got another top 10 recruiting class and kept the highly rated qb prospect who signed under Richt. So that's good.
OTOH, with the losses of Jenkins and Floyd it's hard to see them competing with the top SEC west teams defensively.
Wyoming might win more than 2 games!
Quote from: PDH on February 09, 2016, 08:30:29 PM
Wyoming might win more than 2 games!
Dave Christensen got canned at A&M. Man how the mighty have fallen.
I sacrificed a bull to Urban Meyer.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 09, 2016, 09:12:53 PM
I sacrificed a bull to Urban Meyer.
He gains strength through your rituals supplicant.
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Quote from: Valmy on February 09, 2016, 08:45:04 PM
Quote from: PDH on February 09, 2016, 08:30:29 PM
Wyoming might win more than 2 games!
Dave Christensen got canned at A&M. Man how the mighty have fallen.
From the powerhouse of Wyoming, to OC of Utah to now fired at A&M. Likely he will next be seen at the OC of some pathetic team, like Colorado State or something.
Quote from: Valmy on February 09, 2016, 09:19:06 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 09, 2016, 09:12:53 PM
I sacrificed a bull to Urban Meyer.
He gains strength through your rituals supplicant.
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He is Sol Invictus. Through him, we prosper.
I really have no idea what to expect from the Wildcats this year.
I think fundamentally, they are not really going to be a contender until they can start landing some top level talent. Arizona has always been trying to outplay their talent level, but at the end of the day, over the long run, you are basically who you recruit.
And recruiting in the last third of the Pac-12 won't get you much better than middle Pac-12 results assuming you have good coaching, with an occasional (and frankly lucky) jump into contention when you strike gold with some 2-star recruit or a few of them who turns out to be a lot better than expected.
You can get really good players from 2 and 3 star recruits. You just have to grab the guys who make a lot of progress right at the end of their High School careers, after most of the offers have already gone out. You have to be a pretty cold blooded coach to risk waiting that long though.
Quote from: Valmy on February 10, 2016, 12:27:38 PM
You can get really good players from 2 and 3 star recruits. You just have to grab the guys who make a lot of progress right at the end of their High School careers, after most of the offers have already gone out. You have to be a pretty cold blooded coach to risk waiting that long though.
You can do that of course, but there is a limit to how much success that will have over the long run, as I said.
Believe me, Arizona football has been living on the "ID the guys everyone else missed on and coach them up!" strategy for a long, long time. It has gotten us some great players.
But at the end of the day, that isn't really the way to create a perennial contender.
I find it funny how Arizona fans, as an example, manage to switch their brains on and off about recruiting when you talk to them about football (Recuiting rankings don't matter! The ratings are all bullshit! We can contend anyway! Diamonds in the rough! Who cares about 4 star recruits?) and basketball (What? A four star guy? Why we would even look at him???).
Quote from: Berkut on February 10, 2016, 12:22:57 PM
And recruiting in the last third of the Pac-12 won't get you much better than middle Pac-12 results assuming you have good coaching, with an occasional (and frankly lucky) jump into contention when you strike gold with some 2-star recruit or a few of them who turns out to be a lot better than expected.
Pac 12? Maybe so. But are you guys building to win the Pac 12? It seems you have the blueprint to compete in the old Big East. And if you can find a diamond in the rough QB, start him for four years, look out CFB World! Also, look out for Pitt. :(
Quote from: Berkut on February 10, 2016, 12:35:58 PM
But at the end of the day, that isn't really the way to create a perennial contender.
Does Arizona football have the support necessary to be a perennial contender? The facilities, administrative backing, attendance, etc? Honest question.
Quote from: Berkut on February 10, 2016, 12:35:58 PM
But at the end of the day, that isn't really the way to create a perennial contender.
In order to contend Arizona would need at least need to lock down their home state. I don't get the feeling four and five star Arizonans are staying home.
Granted I am mostly basing that on the fact that those two Scottsdale QBs ended up going to Texas schools. I could be wrong there,
Quote from: grumbler on February 10, 2016, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 10, 2016, 12:35:58 PM
But at the end of the day, that isn't really the way to create a perennial contender.
Does Arizona football have the support necessary to be a perennial contender? The facilities, administrative backing, attendance, etc? Honest question.
I think so, but then, I guess I am not sure how to tell the difference between that level of support, and just a lot of support that doesn't quite reach that level.
Quote from: Valmy on February 10, 2016, 01:16:36 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 10, 2016, 12:35:58 PM
But at the end of the day, that isn't really the way to create a perennial contender.
In order to contend Arizona would need at least need to lock down their home state. I don't get the feeling four and five star Arizonans are staying home.
Granted I am mostly basing that on the fact that those two Scottsdale QBs ended up going to Texas schools. I could be wrong there,
I think that is kind of a chicken-and-egg thing.
You don't NEED to lock down Arizona, since the state doesn't really produce enough talent to really matter.
However, if you were recruiting at the level you need to, you are probably locking down the Arizona talent at least.
The fact that you are not...is not a good sign.
Jim Harbaugh is living inside SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey's head rent-free. This morning, Harbaugh tweets, just in general, you know; nothing specific in mind
QuoteQuestion of the day: Does anyone find whining to be attractive? Just curious.
— Coach Harbaugh (@CoachJim4UM) February 10, 2016
Sankey then tells the press
Quote"I'm not going to reduce what is an important conversation to some childhood use of Twitter," he said. "This is an important issue."
He's turning a one-day story into a three-day story. He really should just shut up. He complains about "...I think it is all in our collective best interests to say out-of-season sports using, in this case, spring break for practice purposes, is not appropriate." Yet he said nothing when LSU (an SEC member school) last August brought their players in for ten days of practice and 15 days in Australia playing basketball, all out of season (perfectly permissible under NCAA rules, of course, just like Harbaugh's plans for football practice over the last 4 days of Spring Break).
Sankey seems totally oblivious to the obvious hypocrisy of his position (after all, even SEC teams play lacrosse and softball, go swimming and rowing, etc etc over spring break). So, he keeps shoving his foot in his mouth. I'm loving it.
Quote from: Berkut on February 10, 2016, 06:46:30 PM
I think that is kind of a chicken-and-egg thing.
You don't NEED to lock down Arizona, since the state doesn't really produce enough talent to really matter.
However, if you were recruiting at the level you need to, you are probably locking down the Arizona talent at least.
The fact that you are not...is not a good sign.
Yeah, especially since so many of the top players in the state this year were on defense, so the argument that they don't fit RR's offense doesn't apply. I'd guess the uncertainty over who the DC would be hurt them there, so that might be a one-year blip.
ASU it seems wins out with in state recruits more often than not.
I know Huskies picked up surprise signing from one of the top Arizona recruits over ASU, and a lightly rated but Gatorade Arizona Player of year QB whose only Pac-12 offer was UW and had been committed to NMSU originally.
RichRod recruits midgets.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 10, 2016, 09:16:42 PM
RichRod recruits midgets.
They prefer to be called "little shits."
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 10, 2016, 09:16:42 PM
RichRod recruits midgets.
He does like those shifty slot types. That was a problem when he came to Michigan and when he left. He was able to recruit some good ones, though.
Just in case 17 year olds graduating in December to make in onto college campuses in time for spring practice isn't enough for you, there is a South Carolina recruit who will graduate high school after his junior year and forego his senior year of high school to enroll early.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/15145944/junior-qb-jake-bentley-join-south-carolina-gamecocks-2016-season
QuoteHigh school junior QB Jake Bentley to join South Carolina for 2016 season
Jake Bentley, the second-ranked quarterback and the 33rd-ranked player in the ESPN Junior 300, announced on Twitter he would be forgoing his senior year of high school and enroll to play at South Carolina over the summer with the rest of the Gamecocks' 2016 recruiting class.
"I am announcing that I will not be playing high school football next year," Bentley wrote in his Twitter post. "After doing some research and confirming with my academic counselors I will be able to graduate this year. Because I can graduate early, I will be joining the excitement of Gamecock football this summer."
Bentley, the 18-year-old son of South Carolina's running backs coach Bobby Bentley, threw for 2,831 yards with 28 touchdowns and eight interceptions last season.
The 6-foot-4, 219-pound quarterback from Opelika (Alabama) High School committed to new South Carolina coach Will Muschamp a few weeks ago and will join another 2016 quarterback, Brandon McIlwain, who is already enrolled and participating in spring practices for the Gamecocks.
The influx of quarterbacks is sorely needed in Columbia. Projected starter Perry Orth (broken collarbone) and backup Lorenzo Nunez (hyperextended knee) are expected to miss the remainder of spring practices with injuries.
The quarterback position was Muschamp's Achilles' heel at Florida, but the new Gamecocks head coach has to be happy with the two freshman quarterbacks he will have on campus in the fall.
While a high school prospect skipping his senior year to play college football is rare, it is not unprecedented. In 2003, John David Booty skipped his senior year of high school at Evangel Christian in Shreveport, Louisiana to enroll at Southern California a year early.
So the Gamecocks continue their proud tradition of scooping up Florida's leftovers? :hmm:
Eh, the kid is 18 1/2 years old; he should be graduating this year anyway.
Anyway, the hype begins:
Jim Harbaugh building a monster at Michigan, like it or not
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football-news/4700700-jim-harbaugh-michigan-2016-season-spring-practice-florida-big-ten-schembechler (http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football-news/4700700-jim-harbaugh-michigan-2016-season-spring-practice-florida-big-ten-schembechler)
Seriously, though, this year's Michigan team could be the team to beat in 2016. It is upgraded everywhere from last year's team that went 10-3, and has added the nation's best defensive coordinator to the mix. The defense this year is going to be 1997-level awesome, and the offense could be nearly as good. The whole team is deep, experienced, and they have utterly bought into Harbaugh's system. The 4-tight-end set is going to be fun!
Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
Seriously, though, this year's Michigan team could be the team to beat in 2016.
The rising senior class is 0-6 against Michigan State and Ohio State. Walk before you run.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 06, 2016, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
Seriously, though, this year's Michigan team could be the team to beat in 2016.
The rising senior class is 0-6 against Michigan State and Ohio State. Walk before you run.
I'm talking about the future, not the past. Neither the Michigan team nor the opposing team will be the same team that played last year when they play this year.
Michigan and Harbaugh, fresh off their crushing of the SEC in the satellite camp tussle, schedule camps in Australia.
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Camps are also planned for American Samoa and Hawaii, as well as at least 18 states.
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Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
Eh, the kid is 18 1/2 years old; he should be graduating this year anyway.
Beyond anything else, if you've already completed enough course work to graduate H.S., why not go ahead and graduate and get on with college, even if you aren't getting an athletic scholarship? I don't see any problem with it.
BTW, way back in the 40's, Eddie LeBaron graduated from H.S. and started playing college football at age 16.
Bama's starting LT and a backup DB got arrested in Louisiana this morning with a bag of weed and two guns, one of which was stolen.
E: Forgot the link: http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabama-star-cam-robinson-impact-reserve-arrested-on-weapons-charges/
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 17, 2016, 11:59:21 AM
Bama's starting LT and a backup DB got arrested in Louisiana this morning with a bag of weed and two guns, one of which was stolen.
E: Forgot the link: http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabama-star-cam-robinson-impact-reserve-arrested-on-weapons-charges/
Wouldn't want to be the backup DB. Saban will
have to make an example of him.
Unless there's another LT who's just as good on their bench.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 17, 2016, 12:34:06 PM
Unless there's another LT who's just as good on their bench.
They were already looking to start one Freshman tackle. They'll have to throw the book at Hootie.
Reports that Art Briles has been shitcanned by Baylor. Official announcement is supposed to happen here in 20 minutes.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 26, 2016, 10:39:00 AM
Reports that Art Briles has been shitcanned by Baylor. Official announcement is supposed to happen here in 20 minutes.
Woah. I have to say I am surprised. I probably shouldn't be given what has gone on there.
Quote from: Valmy on May 26, 2016, 10:41:41 AM
Woah. I have to say I am surprised. I probably shouldn't be given what has gone on there.
They're releasing that report at noon today too. It must be BAD to just jump in and fire him right now, considering what they dug their heels in about prior to today.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 26, 2016, 10:55:30 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 26, 2016, 10:41:41 AM
Woah. I have to say I am surprised. I probably shouldn't be given what has gone on there.
They're releasing that report at noon today too. It must be BAD to just jump in and fire him right now, considering what they dug their heels in about prior to today.
Man I have looking around to see what the Baylor fans have to say. Damn. They will never forgive Texas for this.
QuoteIf I was a Longhorn fan, I'd be very wary about attending a game in Waco ever again. I've got a feeling some violence in the stands and parking lot is highly likely to occur next year and for the foreseeable future.
Those Baptists are coming for us for what we did to them MBM. Be wary.
Ken Weasel also finally go his. Starr has currently just been demoted to Chancellor (a position he already held, as well as being President), but I can't see how the school could possibly keep him even as a janitor. This was conduct as egregious as any in university history.
Unless he was actively involved in some sort of cover up to keep the powers that be from being involved, I don't see why the coach should be fired for the misconduct of his players. He is the football coach, not an admissions officer, or the campus police chief, or the college dean. If students are raping their way through the coed population at a school, they need to be arrested and kicked out. I'm not seeing the football coach with a role in the process.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 04:27:56 PM
Unless he was actively involved in some sort of cover up to keep the powers that be from being involved,
He was.
Quote from: Valmy on May 26, 2016, 03:05:34 PM
Those Baptists are coming for us for what we did to them MBM. Be wary.
This whole thing really did bring out the extra crazy in that fanbase.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 26, 2016, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 04:27:56 PM
Unless he was actively involved in some sort of cover up to keep the powers that be from being involved,
He was.
Then charge him with a crime and lets put him in jail.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 26, 2016, 04:33:06 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 04:27:56 PM
Unless he was actively involved in some sort of cover up to keep the powers that be from being involved,
He was.
Then charge him with a crime and lets put him in jail.
Despite what you may have heard from some Baylor fans, UT and its fanbase actually lack the power to either arrest or fire Art Briles.
Hey Val, do you have a link to that one? Which Baylor board was it on?
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 04:53:21 PM
Then charge him with a crime and lets put him in jail.
The school can't charge him with a crime. They can fire him, though.
Quote from: grumbler on May 26, 2016, 06:43:14 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 04:53:21 PM
Then charge him with a crime and lets put him in jail.
The school can't charge him with a crime. They can fire him, though.
I hope if I'm fired for alleged criminal activity there will be enough evidence to actually convict me, or at a minimum bring criminal charges.
It would be a shame to fire someone because there is a massive shitstorm around criminal actions, and it is politically expedient to fire someone in the vicinity of the actions, even though he was not responsible. Cowardly even.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 26, 2016, 06:43:14 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 04:53:21 PM
Then charge him with a crime and lets put him in jail.
The school can't charge him with a crime. They can fire him, though.
I hope if I'm fired for alleged criminal activity there will be enough evidence to actually convict me, or at a minimum bring criminal charges.
It would be a shame to fire someone because there is a massive shitstorm around criminal actions, and it is politically expedient to fire someone in the vicinity of the actions, even though he was not responsible. Cowardly even.
Going off of the news reports I've heard, Briles was actively involved in covering up allegations of sexual assault by his players.
If that's correct, then I'd say he was an accessory after the fact, and yes, he should face criminal charges. But as grumbler pointed out, that's not the school's call.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 26, 2016, 06:43:14 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 04:53:21 PM
Then charge him with a crime and lets put him in jail.
The school can't charge him with a crime. They can fire him, though.
I hope if I'm fired for alleged criminal activity there will be enough evidence to actually convict me, or at a minimum bring criminal charges.
It would be a shame to fire someone because there is a massive shitstorm around criminal actions, and it is politically expedient to fire someone in the vicinity of the actions, even though he was not responsible. Cowardly even.
Not exactly surprised a fan of the 'U' would have these thoughts.
This is the worst part to me, of course you won't give a shit as long as the football team is winning games.
QuoteIn addition to the failures related to sexual assault and dating violence, individuals within the football program actively sought to maintain internal control over discipline for other forms of misconduct. Athletics personnel failed to recognize the conflict of interest in roles and risk to campus safety by insulating athletes from student conduct processes. Football coaches and staff took affirmative steps to maintain internal control over discipline of players and to actively divert cases from the student conduct or criminal processes. In some cases, football coaches and staff had inapprorpriate involvement in disciplinary and criminal matters or engaged in improper conduct that reinforced an overall perception that football was above the rules and that there was no culture of accountability for misconduct.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
It would be a shame to fire someone because there is a massive shitstorm around criminal actions, and it is politically expedient to fire someone in the vicinity of the actions, even though he was not responsible. Cowardly even.
It would be. But Briles was directly involved in this scandal. It very much is his creation sadly.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 26, 2016, 06:29:09 PM
Hey Val, do you have a link to that one? Which Baylor board was it on?
This one: http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306919&page=2&p=5428184#post5428184
Fortunately the sane Baylor fans are coming out of the woodwork after the release of that report so maybe the anti-Longhorn crusade has been called off.
Quote from: grumbler on May 26, 2016, 03:47:40 PM
Ken Weasel also finally go his. Starr has currently just been demoted to Chancellor (a position he already held, as well as being President), but I can't see how the school could possibly keep him even as a janitor. This was conduct as egregious as any in university history.
Chancellor is a total joke position at Baylor. That is just where they are storing him before he can fired. Definitely a fitting way for Ken's career to come to an end.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
I hope if I'm fired for alleged criminal activity there will be enough evidence to actually convict me, or at a minimum bring criminal charges.
Firing isn't a matter of criminal charges, it is a matter of employer policy. Criminal law and employment policies are two different things.
QuoteIt would be a shame to fire someone because there is a massive shitstorm around criminal actions, and it is politically expedient to fire someone in the vicinity of the actions, even though he was not responsible. Cowardly even.
It would be a shame to continue to post
non sequiturs in a feeble attempt to troll the board. Maybe the shame will stop you, but I'm not betting on that.
Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2016, 06:57:24 AM
Chancellor is a total joke position at Baylor. That is just where they are storing him before he can fired. Definitely a fitting way for Ken's career to come to an end.
That's my feeling as well.
Quote from: grumbler on May 26, 2016, 03:47:40 PM
Ken Weasel also finally go his.
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Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 26, 2016, 06:29:09 PM
Hey Val, do you have a link to that one? Which Baylor board was it on?
LOL ok check this out: http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307053
They really think we are like some kind of evil empire. UT lives in their heads.
Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2016, 07:14:37 AM
LOL ok check this out: http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307053
They really think we are like some kind of evil empire. UT lives in their heads.
:lol: Thanks for the links. Gives me something to do at work today. Cubeland is a boring ghost town with the three day weekend coming up.
Quote from: sbr on May 26, 2016, 10:48:17 PM
Not exactly surprised a fan of the 'U' would have these thoughts.
This is the worst part to me, of course you won't give a shit as long as the football team is winning games.
You think I care about whether Baylor wins football games? They are just one team of ~130, which will collectively have a record of .500 when playing amongst itself.
QuoteIn addition to the failures related to sexual assault and dating violence, individuals within the football program actively sought to maintain internal control over discipline for other forms of misconduct. Athletics personnel failed to recognize the conflict of interest in roles and risk to campus safety by insulating athletes from student conduct processes. Football coaches and staff took affirmative steps to maintain internal control over discipline of players and to actively divert cases from the student conduct or criminal processes. In some cases, football coaches and staff had inapprorpriate involvement in disciplinary and criminal matters or engaged in improper conduct that reinforced an overall perception that football was above the rules and that there was no culture of accountability for misconduct.
So:
-Athletics personnel want more power in the university administration. They want more discretion in doling out punishments. That isn't a shocking occurrence at Baylor: that is basically a battle that is universal and it has long been known that coaches have a serious conflict of interest. I used to live in Tallahassee, and I remember the school stepping in when Bobby Bowden felt that running the steps was appropriate punishment for felony robbery. They didn't fire Bobby Bowden for inadequate punishment, and they didn't fire him for whining about the punishments. Either would have been stupid.
-Coaches have a longstanding multiyear relationship with their players. A lot of times they take the role of advocate for them. In cases where there is doubt regarding accusations, I don't see that as harmful. Would you be outraged if a women's basketball coach fiercely advocated for one of her players alleging a rape, only for it to come out that the accusation of the player was fabricated? If law enforcement and the university administration deferred to Art Briles, that is on them, I don't see why it is on Briles.
Because Briles was told about it, did not tell the University officials, and met with the young women personally to intimidate them into silence. :hmm:
That is not to say the University officials and the Waco PD were not also complicit but come on man. How could that be on anybody but Briles?
Quote from: alfred russel on May 27, 2016, 11:30:50 AM
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You need to read the information that has been released. Apparently the full report (!) will not be released until September.
Quote from: Valmy on May 27, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Because Briles was told about it, did not tell the University officials, and met with the young women personally to intimidate them into silence. :hmm:
That is not to say the University officials and the Waco PD were not also complicit but come on man. How could that be on anybody but Briles?
Okay, well that doesn't sound so cool. I'm on board with firing if that is what happened.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 27, 2016, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 27, 2016, 11:30:50 AM
<words>
You need to read the information that has been released. Apparently the full report (!) will not be released until September.
I don't have time to read the information that has been released. Art Briles got fired and I need to complain on the internet about it. :P
Strong decided to pay a sympathy visit to the Dallas PD during Big 12 media days. I thought that was classy.
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This Big 12 media days seems to be all Baylor-rape scandal all the time but at least it has more decorum than the Republican National Convention.
The Big 12 commissioner is trying to give them a run
http://deadspin.com/big-12-commissioner-on-college-sexual-assault-teens-wi-1783861094?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Not pictured: Vince Young sucking off men for gas money.
Quote from: sbr on July 19, 2016, 09:07:53 AM
The Big 12 commissioner is trying to give them a run
http://deadspin.com/big-12-commissioner-on-college-sexual-assault-teens-wi-1783861094?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Yeah that was groan-worthy and embarrassing. But you had to know if reporters kept asking about it eventually one of those dudes would eventually say some shit like this. Way to put the scandal behind us Commish.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2016, 09:08:41 AM
Not pictured: Vince Young sucking off men for gas money.
Nah he has a six figure job at UT protecting boosters' swimming pools from alligator attacks.
So, USC and Alabama are starting up the smack talk for their Sep 3 game.
USC's entry is "Roll Tears Roll" (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.fssta.com%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Ffsdigital%2Ffscom%2Fnba%2Fimages%2F2016%2F08%2F18%2F081716-RollTearsRoll.jpg&hash=efec6ae317c7be6237fb31206a8743cd0ab7d1d1)
Alabama's response is a major BUUUURRRNNN: (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.collegespun.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F08%2Foj-shirt-alabama.png&hash=9214d5f07dedfbc59936f8c64a79cee2c6047969)
Yes, classy as always, Alabama.
So ND just got 6 guys arrested. One is now off the team, and one seems headed that way. The school has lowered admission standards, and recruiting has improved. But you know what won't work? Recruiting SEC type athletes, and then holding them to strict discipline standards.
Huh. If somebody had told me one of our schools was going to be booting people off the team right before the big game I figured it would be Texas :P
Yes well never go full Baylor. Kicking a few people off the team now can save you dozens of transfers later.
Quote from: Valmy on August 22, 2016, 12:16:32 PM
Huh. If somebody had told me one of our schools was going to be booting people off the team right before the big game I figured it would be Texas :P
Yes well never go full Baylor. Kicking a few people off the team now can save you dozens of transfers later.
Yeah, when you are looking the other way as your team is raping its way through the coed population, you might have a festering problem.
But a traffic stop with an unlicensed gun and marijuana? A bar scuffle? At Auburn and Ole Miss, those might have you running the stadium stairs, if you are a repeat offender.
The all important, and very significant, pre-season AP top 25 for us to laugh at:
Quote1. Alabama (33)
2. Clemson (16)
3. Oklahoma (4)
4. Florida State (5)
5. LSU (1)
6. Ohio State (1)
7. Michigan (1)
8. Stanford
9. Tennessee
10. Notre Dame
11. Ole Miss
12. Michigan State
13. TCU
14. Washington
15. Houston
16. UCLA
17. Iowa
18. Georgia
19. Louisville
20. USC
21. Oklahoma State
22. North Carolina
23. Baylor
24. Oregon
25. Florida
Not sure why the AP thinks Tennessee is not going to suck again this year.
Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2016, 07:12:06 AM
Not sure why the AP thinks Tennessee is not going to suck again this year.
They were 9-4 last year and finished the season really strong. They were competitive in all 4 losses. Butch Jones has been recruiting well and the team has been improving.
They have a serious chance to win the SEC East, though mainly because the SEC East blows. Georgia has a new coach; Florida has been rebuilding its offense for a few years. South Carolina is shit, Missouri was a dumpster fire last year. The remaining teams are Vandy and Kentucky.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 25, 2016, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2016, 07:12:06 AM
Not sure why the AP thinks Tennessee is not going to suck again this year.
They were 9-4 last year and finished the season really strong. They were competitive in all 4 losses. Butch Jones has been recruiting well and the team has been improving.
They have a serious chance to win the SEC East, though mainly because the SEC East blows. Georgia has a new coach; Florida has been rebuilding its offense for a few years. South Carolina is shit, Missouri was a dumpster fire last year. The remaining teams are Vandy and Kentucky.
I see the logic, but winning a division that blows, well, I'm not sure that counts for all that much. They might finish last if they were in the SEC West instead.
Quote from: dps on August 25, 2016, 04:45:06 PM
I see the logic, but winning a division that blows, well, I'm not sure that counts for all that much. They might finish last if they were in the SEC West instead.
Last year they had a good chance to beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa. I'm not saying they should be #9, but this should be their best team since they fired Phil Fulmer. That is faint praise, though.
Put it this way: a 9-4 team that finished really strong last year and seems to be trending up with a 3rd year coach (both in recruiting and on field results) probably deserves to be ranked at least around the 15 mark. I don't think #9 is ridiculous, though if I was betting on their final ranking and #9 was the over/under, I'd guess they would finish worse than #9.
NCAA football starts tomorrow with Cal - Hawaii. :yeah:
Quote from: dps on August 25, 2016, 04:45:06 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 25, 2016, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2016, 07:12:06 AM
Not sure why the AP thinks Tennessee is not going to suck again this year.
They were 9-4 last year and finished the season really strong. They were competitive in all 4 losses. Butch Jones has been recruiting well and the team has been improving.
They have a serious chance to win the SEC East, though mainly because the SEC East blows. Georgia has a new coach; Florida has been rebuilding its offense for a few years. South Carolina is shit, Missouri was a dumpster fire last year. The remaining teams are Vandy and Kentucky.
I see the logic, but winning a division that blows, well, I'm not sure that counts for all that much. They might finish last if they were in the SEC West instead.
Tennessee didn't suck last year. Their four losses were to Oklahoma (in double OT), Florida, Arkansas, and Alabama by a combined 17 points. Yeah, half their losses came from teams that were in the playoffs. Their big weakness last year was that they couldn't throw when they needed to, and that'll be their weakness this year. Run game and defense should be good. #9 is about where they should be, IMO.
LSU, on the other hand, may be the most over-ranked at #5, IMO. They have a castoff Purdue QB competing for the starting job, and their OL doesn't look all that good. They've got the best RB in the biz and a great defense but, like Tennessee, may not be able to throw when they need to. I'd say that, except at RB and maybe LB, Michigan is better at every position group, and #7 is about right for them. Now, if LSU's coaches actually HAVE a QB, then #5 isn't all that far off.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 25, 2016, 07:04:47 PM
NCAA football starts tomorrow with Cal - Hawaii. :yeah:
It is like a preseason bowl game. Two teams no one would ever watch otherwise are in a meaningless game, but people watch because they are the only teams on television at the time.
After I shoot my mouth off about LSU, Matt Hinton does his preseason breakdown, and look what he says: :lol:
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I don't know nothin' 'bout nothin'.
I think Texas is going to pretty good this year but I understand if few experts share that opinion :P
RichRod should have stuck to the Wild West parodies for his preseason hype vids. Do not, unless you want to run the risk of ripping out your own eyeballs, google "youtube Rich Rodriguez Gladiator"
Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2016, 07:31:23 PM
RichRod should have stuck to the Wild West parodies for his preseason hype vids. Do not, unless you want to run the risk of ripping out your own eyeballs, google "youtube Rich Rodriguez Gladiator"
Do in fact do so, because it is pretty hilarious. At least, as long as you don't mind a D-1 football coach willing to poke a little fun at himself.
In fact, you don't even have to do so...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRbhoR6eIM0
I may go to my first ever SEC game this weekend if my buddy can get me free tickets. I'd be rooting against Cal's newfound favorite team YEWW KAYY.
Ugh. YEW KAY football. :yuk:
They're *technically* an SEC team :D
Early returns indicate Valmy had a point regarding Tennessee. :lol:
Poor clock management by App State on those last two plays.
Meh, their kicker cost them the game.
A little mini implosion by Minnesota for a couple minutes there. Drop a pick that allows the Oregon State punter to drop it in on the 5, high snap for a safety, then a muffed punt that led to a quick TD. Went from up 3 to down 6 quick-like. They're moving down the field now though.
Some jersey name shots. The middle one is the best I've seen in a while.
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Wake Forest beat Tulane 7-3. Okay they won, but I'm not sure Wake Forest should be televised this year because I'm not sure it is legal to televise abortions. The "Good Fortune" names are clearly false advertising. At the least those guys should not be allowed to stand next to each other.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 01, 2016, 09:45:19 PM
Early returns indicate Valmy had a point regarding Tennessee. :lol:
Never bet on Butch Jones.
Poor Ap State almost had two top 10 opening weekend upsets.
Quote from: Valmy on September 02, 2016, 09:22:48 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 01, 2016, 09:45:19 PM
Early returns indicate Valmy had a point regarding Tennessee. :lol:
Never bet on Butch Jones.
Poor Ap State almost had two top 10 opening weekend upsets.
They are a sun belt team now. wouldn't be as awesome.
I never got Christian Hackenberg as a good QB. Maybe he has great measurables, but on the field he always looked mediocre at best. Last night in a pre season game he threw 31 passes for an astounding 54 yards. :lol: Best part is, one pass was intercepted and run back 90 yards for a TD - so including that he threw 31 passes for a net negative 36 yards.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 02, 2016, 09:39:54 AM
I never got Christian Hackenberg as a good QB. Maybe he has great measurables, but on the field he always looked mediocre at best. Last night in a pre season game he threw 31 passes for an astounding 54 yards. :lol: Best part is, one pass was intercepted and run back 90 yards for a TD - so including that he threw 31 passes for a net negative 36 yards.
:lol: I heard the stats last night after the Bengals game. I mean, I knew he wasn't that good, but I didn't know he was that *bad*.
So Penn State, not content to leave well enough alone, is going to honor Joe Paterno at the game tomorrow. I guess they were worried Baylor was becoming more hated than they were.
PISS ON PSU
Quote from: alfred russel on September 02, 2016, 09:39:54 AM
I never got Christian Hackenberg as a good QB. Maybe he has great measurables, but on the field he always looked mediocre at best. Last night in a pre season game he threw 31 passes for an astounding 54 yards. :lol: Best part is, one pass was intercepted and run back 90 yards for a TD - so including that he threw 31 passes for a net negative 36 yards.
He was decent (more than decent, given that he was a freshman) under O'Brian, who knew how to coach. Trying to run the team under Franklin broke Hackenberg. The Jets certainly don't have the coaching to fix him. Maybe nobody does.
I liked Brian Cook's story on how this year in Michigan football feels to him; it's kinda like every year feels for every fan, bar some specifics:
Quote... Every opportunity to win or lose is here and gone. Ask any Indiana fan about last year. Kyle Robbins of The Crimson Quarry probably did not think that college football could break him—what's the worst thing that can happen to an IU fan?—but it did. There is no more NOW sport than college football, in which redemption is impossible. Once each year is locked in amber we amputate most of the people who actually played. Jerome Jackson had an entire career one Saturday against Iowa.
I know. I know you want to be like this thing and that thing and obviously it will collapse in on itself and we will hold ourselves aloof and wait to invest ourselves, or at least try to. Don't. Then is over. That is over. The period where Michigan is digging out from the crypt it built itself has passed. We're at now, now.
Here is the situation. Michigan has a metric ton of NFL talent. They have one of the greatest football coaches of his generation. They have a mortal enemy at a historical peak, coached by one of the greatest football coaches of his generation. They will either set fire to the world and rewrite the landscape of college football, or blow a golden opportunity and let the jackals feast again. This is the last rodeo for Butt and Lewis and Wormley and etc., etc. They are set for amputation. Talk about Michigan being a "year away" is only issued by people who haven't looked at a roster or, like, history.
You have to let it happen to your body. I'm an engineer, man. I believe those bastard numbers that say there is a 36% chance Michigan wins 11+ games this year. I mean, 36% isn't the chance but it's not 80% like we want it to be. There's going to be a moment. Possibly six moments. It is going to be towering and terrifying thing and all I can tell you is to say yes, this is happening.
Now. No dress rehearsal. No "they're a year away." Now. This year is the year, and yeah, to some extent every year is the year. But this year is the year. Death and graduation are coming anyway, might as well get some glory in the interim.
http://mgoblog.com/content/story-2016-no-dress-rehearsal (http://mgoblog.com/content/story-2016-no-dress-rehearsal)
Nice win by West Virginia there Spicey. Did you see it? Thoughts?
Already shaping up to be another great season for the purple:
Northwestern: 21
Western Michigan University: 22
Fight Broncos Fight!
I enjoyed the shit stomping of Bowling Green today at Ohio Stadium. The weather was pleasant, the college chicks were out in force and it felt good to be out at a game. :)
Other than watching Barett throw a pick six in the 1st quarter. :lol:
UTSA looks.....not good. Their QB, Sturm, is doing fine at least, in spite of the rest of the team. 10 of 11 for 80something yards and a TD.
Oh hey he just took off for a 50 or 60 yard TD run. Hard to tell how far from the back porch. Heh. Took them a while to get the lead back from a 1AA team.
E: Alright, now they're playing better on D. Maybe they were just a little flat. The TD run and 2pt conversion seems to have gotten them fired up.
My favorite game of the day (so far): the Richmond Spiders beat Virginia by 17. Outgained them 524-302. Came within 14 seconds of doubling them up in time of possession. In short: Richmond went into Charlottesville and kicked their ass. The best part? This was Bronco Mendenhall's debut as head coach of Virginia.
Jim Harbaugh doesn't believe in redshirts. He played 16 freshmen today, despite having more returning starters than all but 6 1AA teams. The previous Michigan record was 10.
He played 4 quarterbacks. Eleven players rushed the ball, and eleven caught the ball. All but 4 scholarship defensive players on the roster played. He really believes his mantra that "the best way to get better playing football is to play football." Even without the starters, Michigan never punted, kicked no field goals, and never lost the ball on downs. Yeah, that was against Hawaii, but that still exceeds even their lofty expectations.
I had expressed my doubts about LSU above, but the Wisconsin victory was still a major surprise to me. Not as much as it was to the talking heads, who predicted an LSU double-digit cake walk, but, still, surprising.
Best play of the weekend, beating even the kick--six: Nebraska lines up for their first punt with only ten men, leaving the punter's spot empty, to honor their punter who died this summer. Five yard penalty, of course, but the most honorable 5-yard penalty ever.
Bevo XV: https://twitter.com/gregfenves/status/772247297505624064
:) :punk:
Okay, so it is halftime, and clemson is only up 7, so I may regret posting this in an hour, but I don't think the score tells the story. They are outgaining Auburn at the half 233-38. Assuming Auburn doesn't totally suck, which is possible, it looks like Clemson is picking up where they left off last year. Gus Malzahn is a good offensive coach--38 yards in a half is a good showing against him.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2016, 09:12:05 PM
Bevo XV: https://twitter.com/gregfenves/status/772247297505624064
:) :punk:
This Bevo will have a long and victory filled reign, starting next year under a new coaching staff. :P
Actually, it would be a cool tradition that when a coach was fired, Bevo was turned into hamburgers and the new coach got a new Bevo. PETA would object, but it would make for some good halftime speeches. "Guys, if you don't care about my career and family, still try to show some effort in the second half or they are going to kill the cow."
It was Rutgers granted but UDub looked good. Best offensive player who missed the 2015 season came back to score two touchdown receptions and for good measure ran a kickoff of TD as well.
But best part was the continuing impressive defense picking up from last year. Rutgers first 20 plays from scrimmage gained 19yds. Except for garbage time TD they held Rutgers to two FG's.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 03, 2016, 10:02:50 PM
This Bevo will have a long and victory filled reign, starting next year under a new coaching staff. :P
Actually, it would be a cool tradition that when a coach was fired, Bevo was turned into hamburgers and the new coach got a new Bevo. PETA would object, but it would make for some good halftime speeches. "Guys, if you don't care about my career and family, still try to show some effort in the second half or they are going to kill the cow."
The actual owners of the various Bevos would probably object too. ;)
Quote from: katmai on September 03, 2016, 10:10:23 PM
It was Rutgers granted but UDub looked good. Best offensive player who missed the 2015 season came back to score two touchdown receptions and for good measure ran a kickoff of TD as well.
But best part was the continuing impressive defense picking up from last year. Rutgers first 20 plays from scrimmage gained 19yds. Except for garbage time TD they held Rutgers to two FG's.
It was Rutgers. I wonder if any conference fans loathe a member school like the Big Ten fans loathe Rutgers. Normally, I hope Big Ten teams win unless it hurts my team, but, in the case of Rutgers, I relish their humiliation.
Wyoming and NIU just finished up. 40-34 WYO in 3OT.
Holy shit. Wyoming beat NIU in three overtime. Wyoming, the team that lost to the (statistically) worst team in the country last year.
I say we call the season now.
Quote from: grumbler on September 03, 2016, 08:36:06 PM
Best play of the weekend, beating even the kick--six: Nebraska lines up for their first punt with only ten men, leaving the punter's spot empty, to honor their punter who died this summer. Five yard penalty, of course, but the most honorable 5-yard penalty ever.
Indeed, that was class. And their opponent then declined the penalty, which was also class.
Arizona looked terrible. The offense, other than Wilson, looks completely out of sync.
The process of the catch must be completed by a receiver in an end zone with the same team colors. #MakeReceiversDefenselessAgain
And another top 10 team goes down. Congrats, Valmy.
:punk:
What a game. Big win for Texas, Valmy, Charlie Strong, and the Big 12. And since they beat Notre Dame, a big win for humanity.
Quote from: derspiess on September 04, 2016, 10:46:12 PM
What a game. Big win for Texas, Valmy, Charlie Strong, and the Big 12. And since they beat Notre Dame, a big win for humanity.
That was the Charlie Strongiest game I have ever seen :wacko:
Only his version of Texas could score a big TD to go ahead and then have the extra point blocked and run back to tie it :lol:
But an amazing game. I told you Texas was going to be pretty good this season. I did not think they would be able to beat Notre Dame though.
The first win over Notre Dame since the 1970 Cotton Bowl. There are alot of Irish inflicted Longhorn tears in those 46 years including two losses that cost Texas National Championships. It was nice to get one back. And is there any way better to win than the walk off Touchdown? :punk:
Quote from: derspiess on September 04, 2016, 10:46:12 PM
What a game. Big win for Texas, Valmy, Charlie Strong, and the Big 12. And since they beat Notre Dame, a big win for humanity.
See, I've got mixed feelings about this one. Since WVU is in the Big 12 now, I want the Big 12 to be a strong conference, so Texas being back is good in that regard. And I like Charlie Strong and some of their players. OTOH, I don't like Texas as such (apologies to Valmy) largely because I don't like the way that it seems that they try to rig the Big 12 to their own benefit.
And then one the other side, there's Norte Dame. I respect the heck out of Norte Dame football, but I don't actually
like them.
in the end, this was a great game, and since I had no particular rooting interest either way, that's all I could really ask for.
Congrats Valmy. We suck again--I should become a BYU fan. It is becoming clear they have the stonger god.
Quote from: dps on September 04, 2016, 10:57:34 PM
OTOH, I don't like Texas as such (apologies to Valmy) largely because I don't like the way that it seems that they try to rig the Big 12 to their own benefit.
Texas has had administrative chaos for years. I don't think they are really in position to be puppet masters these days. But I understand Texas gets to be the evil sinister force behind every conspiracy theory these days. Granted the idiotic loud mouthed former AD did a great job stoking those fires.
As far as rigging it in Texas' benefit they have won it three times since 1996. If Texas is rigging it I wish they would at least get a little bit more production.
Texas football :)
Valmy :)
Quote from: dps on September 04, 2016, 10:57:34 PM
And then one the other side, there's Norte Dame. I respect the heck out of Norte Dame football, but I don't actually like them.
Which is why their receivers are allowed to be decapitated. You see, the spinal cord has to be completely dislodged
through the catch. :lol:
Quote from: alfred russel on September 04, 2016, 10:59:48 PM
Congrats Valmy. We suck again--I should become a BYU fan. It is becoming clear they have the stonger god.
Notre Dame has a great coach and a great program. They lost a ton of guys off last year's team and look ready to reload. Stay the course, don't go buying your magical underwear just yet.
Brian Kelly is a piece of shit.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 04, 2016, 11:05:27 PM
Brian Kelly is a piece of shit.
Maybe but he is a hell of a football coach.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 04, 2016, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: dps on September 04, 2016, 10:57:34 PM
And then one the other side, there's Norte Dame. I respect the heck out of Norte Dame football, but I don't actually like them.
Which is why their receivers are allowed to be decapitated. You see, the spinal cord has to be completely dislodged through the catch. :lol:
Should have held on to the ball.
"This is your moment. I'm going to let you have it."
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Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 04, 2016, 11:06:16 PM
Should have held on to the ball.
#OnlyWhiteReceiversCanBeDefenselessInTexas
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 04, 2016, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 04, 2016, 11:06:16 PM
Should have held on to the ball.
#OnlyWhiteReceiversCanBeDefenselessInTexas
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Quote from: Valmy on September 04, 2016, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 04, 2016, 10:59:48 PM
Congrats Valmy. We suck again--I should become a BYU fan. It is becoming clear they have the stonger god.
Notre Dame has a great coach and a great program. They lost a ton of guys off last year's team and look ready to reload. Stay the course, don't go buying your magical underwear just yet.
We shall see. My take: ND has a good QB, good RBs, and a good OL. After Tori Hunter left the game, the receiver corps was badly overmatched.
The defense? Nothing good can be said.
It isn't like I have lived through the past decade+ of ND football to give up now, but this doesn't look like a really good team.
Is Hunter ok? I hoped, since he kept trying to get up, that maybe it was just a precaution.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 04, 2016, 11:07:35 PM
#OnlyWhiteReceiversCanBeDefenselessInTexas
Hey man those were Notre Dame's ACC refs. #blamecarolina
I didn't think it was blatant, just bodies flying around near the ball there. But I certainly would not have been shocked if they had called it.
Watching the post game shit on LHN: Wasn't "he's terrible with the press" the whole narrative with Charlie Strong when he was hired? He's been just fine in every one of these that I've seen.
Quote from: Valmy on September 04, 2016, 11:10:41 PM
Is Hunter ok? I hoped, since he kept trying to get up, that maybe it was just a precaution.
No idea, it looked like he was out cold immediately after the hit. Definitely was a bit silly. Not sure how he could have held onto the ball.
Quote from: Valmy on September 04, 2016, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 04, 2016, 11:07:35 PM
#OnlyWhiteReceiversCanBeDefenselessInTexas
Hey man those were Notre Dame's ACC refs. #blamecarolina
#NiggaForgotToDuckThat'sAll
Quote from: alfred russel on September 04, 2016, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 04, 2016, 11:10:41 PM
Is Hunter ok? I hoped, since he kept trying to get up, that maybe it was just a precaution.
No idea, it looked like he was out cold immediately after the hit. Definitely was a bit silly. Not sure how he could have held onto the ball.
You think so? I hope not. You never want to see that.
Quote from: Valmy on September 04, 2016, 11:22:21 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 04, 2016, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 04, 2016, 11:10:41 PM
Is Hunter ok? I hoped, since he kept trying to get up, that maybe it was just a precaution.
No idea, it looked like he was out cold immediately after the hit. Definitely was a bit silly. Not sure how he could have held onto the ball.
You think so? I hope not. You never want to see that.
Immediately after the hit, he was on his back with his hands slightly raised in what seemed to be the fencing response.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing_response
Probably a concussion serious enough to keep him out a week or two. Probably a week, since two weeks from now is Michigan State.
Damn :(
They wanted him to stay down while they conducted concussion triage first. He wanted to get up.
But hey, like MBM said, catch the ball; fuck that defenseless receiver shit, especially when you're the visiting team in Texas. Surprised they didn't drag him behind a pickup.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 04, 2016, 11:32:31 PM
But hey, like MBM said, fuck that defenseless receiver shit, especially when you're the visiting team in Texas.
Again those were Notre Dame's refs, brought along for the exact reason of preventing home cooking. And Texas hardly has this reputation of producing body bag games. If anything the Texas defense moves you into Heisman contention.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 04, 2016, 11:32:31 PM
They wanted him to stay down while they conducted concussion triage first. He wanted to get up.
But hey, like MBM said, catch the ball; fuck that defenseless receiver shit, especially when you're the visiting team in Texas. Surprised they didn't drag him behind a pickup.
:lol: You be sure to let those ACC refs know how pissed off you are at them next time you see them, okay?
Anyway, moving on from the hilariously racist guy here in the thread...
Charlie just showed up on the Gameday Final set. He's a solid 2ft shorter than VY.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 04, 2016, 11:37:31 PM
:lol: You be sure to let those ACC refs know how pissed off you are at them next time you see them, okay?
They knew what was good for them if they wanted to make it to the airport safely. What with the holiday and all.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 04, 2016, 11:44:07 PM
They knew what was good for them if they wanted to make it to the airport safely. What with the holiday and all.
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Does anyone want to know how my first game of the year went?
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2016, 11:46:02 PM
Does anyone want to know how my first game of the year went?
I do. :) You're at the DIII level? Or was it FCS? Something else? I can't remember. There are a lot of football leagues/levels.
E: I'm p sure it was DIII. 50%. :unsure:
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2016, 11:46:02 PM
Does anyone want to know how my first game of the year went?
I hope you made it to the airport safely.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 04, 2016, 11:44:07 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 04, 2016, 11:37:31 PM
:lol: You be sure to let those ACC refs know how pissed off you are at them next time you see them, okay?
They knew what was good for them if they wanted to make it to the airport safely. What with the holiday and all.
Yeah Texas is not that kind of fanbase. They get drunk and stoned win or lose. If the crew from the Oklahoma State game last year made it home unscathed everybody is safe.
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2016, 11:46:02 PM
Does anyone want to know how my first game of the year went?
The crowd gave the refs a standing ovation?
Yeah, just DIII. I am debating how much longer I want to do it, honestly. Takes a ridiculous amount of time, for basically peanuts.
But all that POWAH...
"Just" DIII. Shit, being a ref seems like it would be a pretty difficult thing regardless of the level.
So how was the first game?
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2016, 11:58:17 PM
Yeah, just DIII. I am debating how much longer I want to do it, honestly. Takes a ridiculous amount of time, for basically peanuts.
What were your goals when you started doing this?
Anyway how did it go?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 05, 2016, 12:03:18 AM
"Just" DIII. Shit, being a ref seems like it would be a pretty difficult thing regardless of the level.
So how was the first game?
That is just it - it is really damn hard, takes a stupid amount of preparation, and compared to say a D1 FBS game, is at most, marginally less difficult. For which we get paid less than 10% what a D1 official makes, and only slightly more than a high school official makes - less, if you consider the amount we are paid as a function of the time we have to spend.
But hell, it is football, and I love doing it. If it was just the actual 2.5-3 hours of the game, it would be awesome no matter how badly we were paid.
But my first game went really well. In fact, this is the first year since I became a referee that I actually have a real crew, instead of a bunch of newbs and castoffs. The old director of officials was fired, and we didn't get along. The new directory is an NFL guy (Bill Schuster) and he is changing a lot of things, and is much easier to work with, even while he is trying hard to raise the level that is expected from us.
I remember a while back you saying that you weren't even sure you were going to continue being an official this year. Glad to hear that you stuck with it, and that you actually have your own crew this time.
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2016, 11:15:03 AM
Arizona looked terrible. The offense, other than Wilson, looks completely out of sync.
Commentators were saying the defense looked pretty good; if you have to have a bad unit, you'd rather it be your offense, because RR is in a position to fix that.
Quote from: grumbler on September 05, 2016, 05:13:10 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2016, 11:15:03 AM
Arizona looked terrible. The offense, other than Wilson, looks completely out of sync.
Commentators were saying the defense looked pretty good; if you have to have a bad unit, you'd rather it be your offense, because RR is in a position to fix that.
Well....I guess. The defense at Arizona has been so bad for so long, I am not sure I can tell anymore what looks good, and what is just a not very good offense they are up against.
I guess RichRod could fix the offense, but why would it need fixing? It has a returning QB, a solid returning RB, a decent line, and very good receivers. The scheme is supposed to make it all work, and it just looked terrible for the most part.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 04, 2016, 11:05:27 PM
Brian Kelly is a piece of shit.
But we knew that when he got that kid killed.
Glad I came back to this thread to see Seedy losing his shit :lol:
:lol: It just wouldn't be college football season without it.
:) I'm still pleased with Wyoming's undefeated season.
Quote from: PDH on September 06, 2016, 08:02:17 AM
:) I'm still pleased with Wyoming's undefeated season.
I am just glad you are not holding a grudge against their football team for what the administration has been doing. I have been telling people that the Big 12 should just take Wyoming if they are going to consider the Cow College of Fort Collins.
Beat Nebraska!
I like Ft Collins, and Colorado as a whole, so I'm cool with CSU. Actually, to be honest, I don't really give a shit who they decide to add (if any), as long as it isn't BYU. I don't care how good of a football program they have and all that.
Ft. Collins is awesome. A really great town.
I got into it with a ref during our game Saturday. Berkut, you'd be proud :D
Seriously, we had a kid subbed in on the offensive line and we've been trying to get him to play more aggressively. On a 50 yard TD run he got downfield and made a great, clean block on a cornerback he had gotten in front of-- de-cleated the kid. Ref turns around & sees the CB on the field crying and throws a flag for block in the back.
I mean, we scored on the next play and still won 32-0 but shitty calls like that confuse the kids as to what is and is not a clean hit.
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 11:51:48 AM
I got into it with a ref during our game Saturday. Berkut, you'd be proud :D
Seriously, we had a kid subbed in on the offensive line and we've been trying to get him to play more aggressively. On a 50 yard TD run he got downfield and made a great, clean block on a cornerback he had gotten in front of-- de-cleated the kid. Ref turns around & sees the CB on the field crying and throws a flag for block in the back.
I mean, we scored on the next play and still won 32-0 but shitty calls like that confuse the kids as to what is and is not a clean hit.
You saw the ref turn around and throw a flag on the kid without seeing the play?
So you were not actually looking at the kid running in for the TD, or the block itself, but at the official instead during this incredible TD run?
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 11:51:48 AM
I got into it with a ref during our game Saturday. Berkut, you'd be proud :D
Seriously, we had a kid subbed in on the offensive line and we've been trying to get him to play more aggressively. On a 50 yard TD run he got downfield and made a great, clean block on a cornerback he had gotten in front of-- de-cleated the kid. Ref turns around & sees the CB on the field crying and throws a flag for block in the back.
I mean, we scored on the next play and still won 32-0 but shitty calls like that confuse the kids as to what is and is not a clean hit.
How did you "get into it" Spicey?
If you went over and talked to the ref afterwards about a blown call - fabulous! If you went and ranted and raved, :thumbsdown:, doubly so if the ref is also a youth.
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 12:14:36 PM
You saw the ref turn around and throw a flag on the kid without seeing the play?
Yessir.
QuoteSo you were not actually looking at the kid running in for the TD, or the block itself, but at the official instead during this incredible TD run?
I was looking at the block. I mostly coach the O line, so I focus on those guys. There were only two refs and both were watching the ball carrier the whole time. Two of our other coaches noticed this, and, more importantly, game film backs me up.
OK.
I am just amazed in general at how good coaches are at seeing all 22 players and 5 officials on any given play. On this one play, you were able to see the block in question (presumably in the field of play), what the official who threw the flag was doing during that block (off the field of play), even though he was likely several yards away, AND still manage to keep on eye on the ball carrier on his TD run! Coaches would make the best officials with their amazing vision.
Personally, the most I can manage is just my keys and the point of attack. But coaches see everything, they are all incredible at that. :P
In any case, film tells no lies. Mostly.
These are youth football refs and they don't get paid much for their time, so I try to let things slide as much as I can. But this one just galled at me because it was a bad call against one kid we're really trying to develop. I couldn't let it go unaddressed.
My guess is that when he looked back and saw that there had been a downfield block that put a kid on the ground, he assumed it was a block in the back. Not the end of the world; hopefully it was enough reinforcement for my player to see us taking up for him.
Now Sunday in a "bowl" game we played I didn't have to lose my shit because the other coaches did a good enough job themselves. We were invited for all our age levels to play against the other club that is in our same footprint area but in a different league. I guess to speed things up we played two halves, each with a 25 minute running clock. We had a pretty easy day of it (helped in no small measure by the fact that their two best players from last year are on our team this year), and were driving for our third TD with about 4 minutes left in the half.
We get down to the 10 yard line and the other team calls a timeout. But the clock keeps running. We ask the ref why and he screamed "IT'S A RUNNING CLOCK, THAT'S WHY!" That's not how I've ever seen it go in "running clock" games but whatever. They let two minutes run off the clock before they let us start the next play. Got down to the two yard line and one of their kids gets "hurt" (pancaked by my son and told by his coaches to stay on the ground). Clock runs out, end of half.
So we get the ball in the second half, put our star QB back in the game and he runs for a 65-yard TD. Then we put all our defensive starters back in and blitzed every down on that next defensive series. Message sent.
We probably won't be asked back next year.
Quote from: Spicey
We were invited for all our age levels to play against the other club that is in our same footprint area but in a different league. I guess to speed things up we played two halves, each with a 25 minute running clock. We had a pretty easy day of it (helped in no small measure by the fact that their two best players from last year are on our team this year), and were driving for our third TD with about 4 minutes left in the half.
We get down to the 10 yard line and the other team calls a timeout. But the clock keeps running. We ask the ref why and he screamed "IT'S A RUNNING CLOCK, THAT'S WHY!" That's not how I've ever seen it go in "running clock" games but whatever. They let two minutes run off the clock before they let us start the next play. Got down to the two yard line and one of their kids gets "hurt" (pancaked by my son and told by his coaches to stay on the ground). Clock runs out, end of half.
So we get the ball in the second half, put our star QB back in the game and he runs for a 65-yard TD. Then we put all our defensive starters back in and blitzed every down on that next defensive series. Message sent.
We probably won't be asked back next year.
You sound like you and the other teams coaches have really internalized what is important about youth sports, what with your messages being sent to each other and all.
The kids were pissed that the half ended that way. We had to do it for them.
I say "we", but it was the head coach & defensive coach's decisions.
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 02:28:21 PM
The kids were pissed that the half ended that way. We had to do it for them.
I say "we", but it was the head coach & defensive coach's decisions.
Of course. 100% of parent coaches behavior is driven by their desire to "think of the kids". If I've learned anything in 20 years of officiating, it is that all parent coaches only care about the kids, and what they want. When coaches start yelling across the field at other coaches, yelling their heads off at officials, or leave their starters in to "send a message" that involves pounding some other teams kids some more, it is always because they are thinking of the children. It never, ever, has anything to do with their own egos.
Spicey, I know I am coming across kind of like a dick. I was not there, I don't actually know what happened, or how I would have handled it if I was there.
But your comments strike me as very, very typical of youth parent coaches. All of whom are absolutely convinced that they are doing this for the kids, they are perfectly reasonable, the problem is always with those damn officials, or the other coaches, or whatever....but never, ever, ever with them.
You (or the other parent coaches) left your starters in a game that you were clearly dominating to "send a message"? Really? And the need to "send this message" was driven by your poor kids who were so upset they didn't get to punch in another score at the end of a half because of the other team having a player hurt (which of course he was faking, right, because those damn dirty faking hurt kids/parents manipulating the clock!).
I wasn't there of course, so I don't know for sure. But you *sound* like a pretty typical parent coach to me.
The other team is faking being hurt to run out the clock of a game we were dominating so I had to leave my starters in to dominate them some more to send a message!
All for the kids!
I dunno spicey... what ever happened to "being the better man" in a situation like that, even if everything went down exactly as you said?
There's also the possibility the ref just didn't know what a "running clock" actually meant, the second coach told the kid to stay down because he was worried he was hurt?
And you never did say how you dealt with the ref about the blown call.
And finally... why the fuck do you have game film for youth football???
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 02:55:31 PM
Spicey, I know I am coming across kind of like a dick. I was not there, I don't actually know what happened, or how I would have handled it if I was there.
But your comments strike me as very, very typical of youth parent coaches. All of whom are absolutely convinced that they are doing this for the kids, they are perfectly reasonable, the problem is always with those damn officials, or the other coaches, or whatever....but never, ever, ever with them.
You (or the other parent coaches) left your starters in a game that you were clearly dominating to "send a message"? Really? And the need to "send this message" was driven by your poor kids who were so upset they didn't get to punch in another score at the end of a half because of the other team having a player hurt (which of course he was faking, right, because those damn dirty faking hurt kids/parents manipulating the clock!).
I wasn't there of course, so I don't know for sure. But you *sound* like a pretty typical parent coach to me.
The other team is faking being hurt to run out the clock of a game we were dominating so I had to leave my starters in to dominate them some more to send a message!
All for the kids!
That had to leave a mark!
Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 03:13:26 PM
I dunno spicey... what ever happened to "being the better man" in a situation like that, even if everything went down exactly as you said?
Been there, done that. I saw my kid's baseball team get walked all over because the coaches weren't assertive enough. Pretty demoralizing for the kids. For my kid, anyway.
QuoteThere's also the possibility the ref just didn't know what a "running clock" actually meant, the second coach told the kid to stay down because he was worried he was hurt?
Yep, all kinds of possibilities there.
QuoteAnd you never did say how you dealt with the ref about the blown call.
Yelled at him. Then more calmly spoke to him about it in the next timeout. His only defense was "You guys scored on the next play anyway" which totally missed the point. The kid got sent out of the game by the offensive coach, who didn't know it was a bogus penalty until we told him when he came off the field.
QuoteAnd finally... why the fuck do you have game film for youth football???
Video is powerful coaching tool (and hudl is a godsend). You can't closely watch all 11 players on the field at the same time, so game video lets you go back & see what the kids are doing right and what you need to focus on at practice. And it's kind of in my blood ;)
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 03:50:13 PM
Yelled at him. Then more calmly spoke to him about it in the next timeout. His only defense was "You guys scored on the next play anyway" which totally missed the point. The kid got sent out of the game by the offensive coach, who didn't know it was a bogus penalty until we told him when he came off the field.
I don't have anywhere near the experience Berkut has. What I did have was the summer of 1987, when I was 12 and umped little kid softball games. I remember making a brutal call (I called a kid out thinking there was a force, when there wasn't). Coach starts yelling at me. Made me feel two inches tall cuz I knew I'd made a mistake as soon as he pointed it out. Sure didn't make me want to continue umping.
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Video is powerful coaching tool (and hudl is a godsend). You can't closely watch all 11 players on the field at the same time, so game video lets you go back & see what the kids are doing right and what you need to focus on at practice. And it's kind of in my blood ;)
Well please at least tell me it's only for the coaches, and you're not making the kids watch film. :bleeding:
They have to know which kids need "extra coaching". Youth football is serious business.
It may be a faux pas to take derspeiss' side in anything, but I think a lot of kids appreciate the coaches taking the game seriously. They look up to guys playing in high school, college, and the pros, and they think it is cool to have a similar experience. Obviously some limits need to be set. But I remember as a kid treating every game like game seven of the NBA finals. A coach not giving a shit about a ref screwing us over would be demoralizing.
Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 03:55:21 PM
Well please at least tell me it's only for the coaches, and you're not making the kids watch film. :bleeding:
We keep game film access limited to coaches (and coaches' kids if they want to watch). Tommy likes watching film with me. I also film games for my nephew's team one age group ahead of ours. They have hudl accounts for every single player/parent. Some kids watch, some don't. But what kid wouldn't want to watch himself play?
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 04:10:52 PM
We keep game film access limited to coaches (and coaches' kids if they want to watch). Tommy likes watching film with me. I also film games for my nephew's team one age group ahead of ours. They have hudl accounts for every single player/parent. Some kids watch, some don't. But what kid wouldn't want to watch himself play?
I would have loved it when I was a kid. I used to tape games on TV and try to "break down the film" because that is what the pros did and I thought somehow it would give me an edge. Of course it didn't because I was a stupid kid and the TV angles aren't really right anyway, but with a coach it might have been helpful and definitely would have been cool.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 06, 2016, 04:09:27 PM
It may be a faux pas to take derspeiss' side in anything, but I think a lot of kids appreciate the coaches taking the game seriously. They look up to guys playing in high school, college, and the pros, and they think it is cool to have a similar experience. Obviously some limits need to be set. But I remember as a kid treating every game like game seven of the NBA finals. A coach not giving a shit about a ref screwing us over would be demoralizing.
You are creating a false dilemma.
The options are not between a coach who doesn't give a shit, and a coach who thinks punishing the other teams kids to "send a message" is necessary to prove how much he cares.
There are plenty of coaches, most of them in fact, who take the game with an appropriate level of seriousness, who can deal with other coaches and officials with respect and consideration, and who teach their kids sportsmanship, respect for the game, and love of the sport without any need to act out or yell at anyone.
An official made a mistake? So what. THAT is a teaching moment as well. And what those kids were taught was that if someone makes a mistake, the way to act is with anger and screaming and yelling. They internalize that just like they internalize all the other teaching that is happening all the time when you decide it is necessary to "send a message" or yell at the official, or punch in TD number 5 and 6 and 7 to prove that you are the better coach/parent/football dad.
I've seen a thousand of these interactions over my career - literally. Some coach thinks an official blew a call. BFD. It happens every single game. Most coaches are quite capable of dealing with it without any need to scream and yell in front of a bunch of 10 year olds, while still making it clear that the game matters to them. But more importantly, character, integrity, and respect for others matters more than the game itself. The game is a vehicle to teach, not an ends that justifies any kind of boorish behavior because you think someone made a mistake.
Take the kid aside, tell him you thought it was a great block, and you are proud of him for making it even though someone made a mistake. Tell him that life sometimes does that, and what matters is how we handle adversity - with class, respect, dignity, and sportsmanship. And send him back out and tell him to make that same block again...as long as it really was legal, of course.
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 04:19:46 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 06, 2016, 04:09:27 PM
It may be a faux pas to take derspeiss' side in anything, but I think a lot of kids appreciate the coaches taking the game seriously. They look up to guys playing in high school, college, and the pros, and they think it is cool to have a similar experience. Obviously some limits need to be set. But I remember as a kid treating every game like game seven of the NBA finals. A coach not giving a shit about a ref screwing us over would be demoralizing.
You are creating a false dilemma.
The options are not between a coach who doesn't give a shit, and a coach who thinks punishing the other teams kids to "send a message" is necessary to prove how much he cares.
There are plenty of coaches, most of them in fact, who take the game with an appropriate level of seriousness, who can deal with other coaches and officials with respect and consideration, and who teach their kids sportsmanship, respect for the game, and love of the sport without any need to act out or yell at anyone.
An official made a mistake? So what. THAT is a teaching moment as well. And what those kids were taught was that if someone makes a mistake, the way to act is with anger and screaming and yelling. They internalize that just like they internalize all the other teaching that is happening all the time when you decide it is necessary to "send a message" or yell at the official, or punch in TD number 5 and 6 and 7 to prove that you are the better coach/parent/football dad.
I've seen a thousand of these interactions over my career - literally. Some coach thinks an official blew a call. BFD. It happens every single game. Most coaches are quite capable of dealing with it without any need to scream and yell in front of a bunch of 10 year olds, while still making it clear that the game matters to them. But more importantly, character, integrity, and respect for others matters more than the game itself. The game is a vehicle to teach, not an ends that justifies any kind of boorish behavior because you think someone made a mistake.
Take the kid aside, tell him you thought it was a great block, and you are proud of him for making it even though someone made a mistake. Tell him that life sometimes does that, and what matters is how we handle adversity - with class, respect, dignity, and sportsmanship. And send him back out and tell him to make that same block again...as long as it really was legal, of course.
+1
Can I bring this Berkut into the election thread? :)
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 04:10:52 PMWe keep game film access limited to coaches (and coaches' kids if they want to watch). Tommy likes watching film with me. I also film games for my nephew's team one age group ahead of ours. They have hudl accounts for every single player/parent. Some kids watch, some don't. But what kid wouldn't want to watch himself play?
I dunno, man...that can be dangerous, exposing game film to a child too early.
After all, cutting game film with Dad is how this sociopath got started--
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Berkut and BB: it is all theoretically good to take significant blown calls against your team as an opportunity to show sportsmanship by not getting on the ref's back. However, that isn't how such calls are taken at higher levels in sports.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 06, 2016, 05:11:51 PM
Berkut and BB: it is all theoretically good to take significant blown calls against your team as an opportunity to show sportsmanship by not getting on the ref's back. However, that isn't how such calls are taken at higher levels in sports.
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That is the point. This isn't a higher level. It is YOUTH football. These kids are 10-13.
And as spicey described the play("decorated") the hit was possibly illegal by high school rules anyway.
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 06, 2016, 05:11:51 PM
Berkut and BB: it is all theoretically good to take significant blown calls against your team as an opportunity to show sportsmanship by not getting on the ref's back. However, that isn't how such calls are taken at higher levels in sports.
<boggle>
That is the point. This isn't a higher level. It is YOUTH football. These kids are 10-13.
And as spicey described the play("decorated") the hit was possibly illegal by high school rules anyway.
I read all this as, "Berkut doesn't like it when people yell at him."
I don't see what is wrong with (within limits) a coach getting on the ref when he makes a bad call. The coach is an adult, and so is the ref. It is a part of the game. Who does it harm?
I think of this along the lines of badly outdated notions of sportsmanship. For example, at some levels you can't spike the football after a TD. It is "unsportsmanlike." But to who? If you watch pick up games, it seems everyone spikes the football (and then awkwardly chases down the ball). Lots of people dance. It seems in 1960 people decided those things were unsportsmanlike, and they don't change even though no one would take offense.
I guess there are people who think sportsmanship is outdated. Shrug.
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 05:38:07 PM
I guess there are people who think sportsmanship is outdated. Shrug.
I definitely don't think sportsmanship is outdated. Not taunting, not fighting, not hazing, being gracious in defeat and victory are important signs of character. It is also important to give your best effort to prepare and in the competition.
I don't see giving a ref a bit of grief and an opponent a bit of trash talk - assuming both stay within certain bounds - are part of that.
Can't we all just go back to talking about how friggin' awesome Wyoming is?
So speaking of HUDL, I just got my last game put up, and this is the first year where the officials have been given access to review our calls and we are getting graded on them.
I threw three flags on Saturday, and looking at those three plays I think 2 of them were probably not great calls. :( Be interesting to see how the grader evaluates them.
Quote from: PDH on September 06, 2016, 06:44:42 PM
Can't we all just go back to talking about how friggin' awesome Wyoming is?
They could probably go undefeated in Spiess's kid's league.
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 05:18:40 PM
That is the point. This isn't a higher level. It is YOUTH football. These kids are 10-13.
Well, mostly 8 and 9 actually :D
QuoteAnd as spicey described the play("decorated") the hit was possibly illegal by high school rules anyway.
Defensive player was pursuing the ball carrier & was still in the play. My lineman hustled to get downfield with the play, got a good angle on him and hit him from the front. Unless you're of the opinion that all downfield blocks should be illegal, this one was clean.
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 07:48:32 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 05:18:40 PM
That is the point. This isn't a higher level. It is YOUTH football. These kids are 10-13.
Well, mostly 8 and 9 actually :D
So the idea that you had to put in your stud blitzing starting defense to "send a message" to 8 year olds is that much more awesome! I bet you sure showed them!
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QuoteAnd as spicey described the play("decorated") the hit was possibly illegal by high school rules anyway.
Defensive player was pursuing the ball carrier & was still in the play. My lineman hustled to get downfield with the play, got a good angle on him and hit him from the front. Unless you're of the opinion that all downfield blocks should be illegal, this one was clean.
Not sure where to start.
Not all downfield blocks from the front are "clean" or legal. You should crack a rule book now and then.
For example, blocking below the waist could be illegal, chop blocking would be illegal as well. Just because it is from the front doesn't automatically make it legal.
Do you keep up with the changes to high school rules about excessive contact over the last couple of years?
Does your youth league use high school rules to begin with?
The rules have changed. Excessive contact is illegal regardless of anything else, and the way you described it (he de-cleated him) has been specifically called out as defining excessive contact, especially when it is coming against a player who doesn't see the block coming.
I know it is really cool to see eight year old kids get laid out on "clean" blocks, but this is a play that we've been trying to get out of the game, because it has a high incidence of concussion and injury. And a concussion in a eight year old is probably (or should be) the end of their football career.
It's frustrating when you see high schools working hard to get these kinds of plays out, but the kids come in from youth thinking it is ok because their Dad-coach told them that was good clean ESPN Sportscenter football.
I would have to see it of course, and you said the call was a block in the back anyway, so not the right call if it was being called excessive.
You said you had this on film - care to share it?
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 04:19:46 PM
There are plenty of coaches, most of them in fact, who take the game with an appropriate level of seriousness, who can deal with other coaches and officials with respect and consideration, and who teach their kids sportsmanship, respect for the game, and love of the sport without any need to act out or yell at anyone.
Show me a coach that doesn't yell at anyone and I'll show you a losing team. Even at the youth level.
QuoteAn official made a mistake? So what. THAT is a teaching moment as well. And what those kids were taught was that if someone makes a mistake, the way to act is with anger and screaming and yelling. They internalize that just like they internalize all the other teaching that is happening all the time when you decide it is necessary to "send a message" or yell at the official, or punch in TD number 5 and 6 and 7 to prove that you are the better coach/parent/football dad.
After the first offensive & defensive series of the 2nd half, we put our subs back in. Hell, on our last TD drive we had kids running the ball that had zero game experience as backs. The other team's coaches accused us of running up the score, but I'm not gonna tell our subs to run half speed.
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 07:53:54 PM
So the idea that you had to put in your stud blitzing starting defense to "send a message" to 8 year olds is that much more awesome! I bet you sure showed them!
Sent a message to the other team's coaches. I actually felt bad for the other team's players, and from that angle I felt bad that we blitzed as much as we did. But it's still early in the season and we need all the practice we can get.
QuoteDo you keep up with the changes to high school rules about excessive contact over the last couple of years?
Does your youth league use high school rules to begin with?
I think we use modified high school rules.
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 08:02:39 PM
I think we use modified high school rules.
You don't know what rules you use?!?
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 07:53:54 PM
The rules have changed. Excessive contact is illegal regardless of anything else, and the way you described it (he de-cleated him) has been specifically called out as defining excessive contact, especially when it is coming against a player who doesn't see the block coming.
My lineman pushed the kid in the chest. That's it.
QuoteYou said you had this on film - care to share it?
Nah. Maybe I'll see if I can do a screen grab or two, though.
Quote from: dps on September 06, 2016, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 08:02:39 PM
I think we use modified high school rules.
You don't know what rules you use?!?
I know the league rules we use, and I think they are based on Ohio high school football rules.
So...how bout those latest polls? :P
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 06, 2016, 08:39:25 PM
So...how bout those latest polls? :P
It was a fun first week, but man I'm already tired of hearing playoff projections. Let the season progress FFS.
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 08:52:38 PM
but man I'm already tired of hearing playoff projections.
No shit; it was August a week ago. Christ, people. :lol:
Re: the polls specifically, it does warm my heart to see that one AP voter in West Virginia continuing to cast a vote for WVU. Because, you know-- people there probably know who he is and where he lives.
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 09:29:49 PM
Re: the polls specifically, it does warm my heart to see that one AP voter in West Virginia continuing to cast a vote for WVU. Because, you know-- people there probably know who he is and where he lives.
The thundering Turd is better.
I was about to say...anybody want to talk about NCAA football? :P
Houston is sure picking a good time to be awesome. Right when the Big 12 is thinking expansion.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 06, 2016, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 09:29:49 PM
Re: the polls specifically, it does warm my heart to see that one AP voter in West Virginia continuing to cast a vote for WVU. Because, you know-- people there probably know who he is and where he lives.
The thundering Turd is better.
I am having my post-practice cigar and am thus too chill to be triggered.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 06, 2016, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 06, 2016, 05:11:51 PM
Berkut and BB: it is all theoretically good to take significant blown calls against your team as an opportunity to show sportsmanship by not getting on the ref's back. However, that isn't how such calls are taken at higher levels in sports.
<boggle>
That is the point. This isn't a higher level. It is YOUTH football. These kids are 10-13.
And as spicey described the play("decorated") the hit was possibly illegal by high school rules anyway.
I read all this as, "Berkut doesn't like it when people yell at him."
I don't see what is wrong with (within limits) a coach getting on the ref when he makes a bad call. The coach is an adult, and so is the ref. It is a part of the game. Who does it harm?
I think of this along the lines of badly outdated notions of sportsmanship. For example, at some levels you can't spike the football after a TD. It is "unsportsmanlike." But to who? If you watch pick up games, it seems everyone spikes the football (and then awkwardly chases down the ball). Lots of people dance. It seems in 1960 people decided those things were unsportsmanlike, and they don't change even though no one would take offense.
If we're talking pro or semi-pro, then sure. It's part of the game, it's what you expect.
But 8 year olds?!? I just don't know where to begin.
Man I sure hope Timmy's hockey this year isn't going to be like this. His career is going to be pretty short if it is.
Quote from: Valmy on September 06, 2016, 09:56:27 PM
I was about to say...anybody want to talk about NCAA football? :P
Houston is sure picking a good time to be awesome. Right when the Big 12 is thinking expansion.
I'm fine with Houston but Cincinnati damned well better get in as well. Supposedly they made the first cut. I heard Memphis actually hurt their chances by volunteering to take less TV money for several years :lol:
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 06, 2016, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 09:29:49 PM
Re: the polls specifically, it does warm my heart to see that one AP voter in West Virginia continuing to cast a vote for WVU. Because, you know-- people there probably know who he is and where he lives.
The thundering Turd is better.
I am having my post-practice cigar and am thus too chill to be triggered.
WE ARE MARSHALL.
Ack. :yuk:
Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
If we're talking pro or semi-pro, then sure. It's part of the game, it's what you expect.
But 8 year olds?!? I just don't know where to begin.
Man I sure hope Timmy's hockey this year isn't going to be like this. His career is going to be pretty short if it is.
Like what? With yelling? I have zero exposure to youth hockey, but with football at any level there's going to be a lot of yelling.
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 06, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
If we're talking pro or semi-pro, then sure. It's part of the game, it's what you expect.
But 8 year olds?!? I just don't know where to begin.
Man I sure hope Timmy's hockey this year isn't going to be like this. His career is going to be pretty short if it is.
Like what? With yelling? I have zero exposure to youth hockey, but with football at any level there's going to be a lot of yelling.
The question is not yelling, it is yelling at officials because you don't like a call.
Even that is relatively minor, if it was isolated. I've yelled at officials before.
But I've never thought that a game among 8 year old's was a good place to express my need to send messages to other adults, or that it is all in good fun to run up the score to make a point or that another adult concerned about a child's injury was reason to feel a need to "send a message" to begin with - especially when the means of sending that message is to use eight year old's against other eight year old's.
Clearly, this has nothing to do with the kids anymore. It is alpha ego against (perceived) alpha ego of the almost painfully stereotypical youth sports parent/coach. Which puts the going ballistic at officials on the field in perspective as well.
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 06, 2016, 09:56:27 PM
I was about to say...anybody want to talk about NCAA football? :P
Houston is sure picking a good time to be awesome. Right when the Big 12 is thinking expansion.
I'm fine with Houston but Cincinnati damned well better get in as well. Supposedly they made the first cut. I heard Memphis actually hurt their chances by volunteering to take less TV money for several years :lol:
Cincinnati better be in. They are the only decent program East of the Mississippi that is not UConn and not in a major conference. WV needs an eastern partner.
The question to me was always who would come in with Cincinnati? BYU seemed a lock but they are just so goddamn BYU they look to be fucking it up.
Houston and Cincy. If 14, those two plus CSU and UCONN.
BYU is gross.
I'm sorry, if BYU is chosen then there is a taint for all times.
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
The question is not yelling, it is yelling at officials because you don't like a call.
Even that is relatively minor, if it was isolated. I've yelled at officials before.
But I've never thought that a game among 8 year old's was a good place to express my need to send messages to other adults, or that it is all in good fun to run up the score to make a point or that another adult concerned about a child's injury was reason to feel a need to "send a message" to begin with - especially when the means of sending that message is to use eight year old's against other eight year old's.
Clearly, this has nothing to do with the kids anymore. It is alpha ego against (perceived) alpha ego of the almost painfully stereotypical youth sports parent/coach. Which puts the going ballistic at officials on the field in perspective as well.
But you aren't thinking in the perspective of an 8 year old. I remember that mindset--in fact I still embody it. Let me share. :)
When I was in the 4th grade (I guess 9), we were down by 1 at the very end of a BB game. We hit a basket, basically a buzzer beater--we win! But wait--the ref called a very iffy foul on us, ball goes over to the other team, we lose. Our coach goes ballistic, has some really choice words for the ref, pulls our team aside, and explains, "You won that game, and the ref stole it from us. It is bullshit I hate that you kids have to learn this lesson now, but this sometimes happens. The refs blow calls. Keep playing basketball and this will probably happen again. Next time we need to work harder to get a lead so the ref isn't in a position to do this."
That really stuck with me, because I didn't hear adults use profanity very often, and he seemed as upset as we were. Maybe more. I got the sense he really cared about us and the team, and what we were doing was important. I thought it brought the team together. I thought that coach was the coolest guy ever - not just for that - but also because he used to have the whole team squeeze into his super tiny car and would drive around. Probably a bad idea, because as I later found out, he was coaching us because he needed to do community service after getting a DUI (he was an FSU student at the time).
Quote from: derspiess on September 06, 2016, 09:29:49 PM
Re: the polls specifically, it does warm my heart to see that one AP voter in West Virginia continuing to cast a vote for WVU. Because, you know-- people there probably know who he is and where he lives.
Why not vote for them in the top 25? They beat an SEC team by double digits. A shitty one, but WVU are 1-0. Not many people are better than that right now.
Hey you never know if somebody is truly a contender until they show what they can do against mighty Youngstown State.
Quote from: Berkut on September 06, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
The question is not yelling, it is yelling at officials because you don't like a call.
Even that is relatively minor, if it was isolated. I've yelled at officials before.
FWIW it was isolated.
QuoteBut I've never thought that a game among 8 year old's was a good place to express my need to send messages to other adults, or that it is all in good fun to run up the score to make a point or that another adult concerned about a child's injury was reason to feel a need to "send a message" to begin with - especially when the means of sending that message is to use eight year old's against other eight year old's.
Our kids appreciated it. Even the kids on the sideline felt vindicated. And the "injury" was apparently minor enough for the kid to jump right up a few seconds before time expired and play the rest of the game. Had they not called the "timeout" (time-in?) to run down the clock I might have been inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
QuoteClearly, this has nothing to do with the kids anymore. It is alpha ego against (perceived) alpha ego of the almost painfully stereotypical youth sports parent/coach. Which puts the going ballistic at officials on the field in perspective as well.
I appreciate your psychoanalysis, but we did what we did for the team. Like I said, the kids appreciated it and everyone had a good day. Ended up with the subs getting as much playing time as the starters. Some of our first-year kids had never been on a winning team before, so they are getting their first taste of winning.
You two exemplify everything that is right about youth sports, and if only there could be more of you, and less refs stealing games from kids, all would be right in the world.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 06, 2016, 10:44:17 PM
When I was in the 4th grade (I guess 9), we were down by 1 at the very end of a BB game. We hit a basket, basically a buzzer beater--we win! But wait--the ref called a very iffy foul on us, ball goes over to the other team, we lose. Our coach goes ballistic, has some really choice words for the ref, pulls our team aside, and explains, "You won that game, and the ref stole it from us. It is bullshit I hate that you kids have to learn this lesson now, but this sometimes happens. The refs blow calls. Keep playing basketball and this will probably happen again. Next time we need to work harder to get a lead so the ref isn't in a position to do this."
This makes a nice contrast to Harbaugh's approach when MSU got that punt-six by crashing over the center against the rules. He didn't blame (or even mention) the refs or the other team; he just pointed out that Michigan's goal should be to handle the disappointment better than any team had ever handled such disappointment before, and to dedicate themselves to making sure they were never in a position to lose a game on a fluke play again.
Maybe that's why he makes $5 million a year and your old coach didn't.
I think, if nothing else, this story is a fine example of how coaches can influence kids when it comes to their concepts of integrity and sportsmanship and owning your results. Clearly it has sunk in profoundly with AR, and his concept of "sportsmanship" that praises parent coaches screaming at officials during eight year olds football games.
Harbaugh-- now there's a dude who knows how to yell at a ref.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/10/9494521/jim-harbaugh-yelling-dominating-northwestern-not-enough
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Quote from: Berkut on September 07, 2016, 08:40:39 AM
I think, if nothing else, this story is a fine example of how coaches can influence kids when it comes to their concepts of integrity and sportsmanship and owning your results.
Aside from making the ref uncomfortable, what does yelling at the ref have to do with any of that?
Also, you never seem to acknowledge that a bad call from a ref can determine the winner of the game. To use the example I gave, if we assume the ref really did make a bad call, we lost but had the ref made the right call we would have won. If you want to talk about integrity and owning results, how about some acknowledgement that ref mistakes determine the outcome of some games?
Quote from: Valmy on September 06, 2016, 10:51:28 PM
Hey you never know if somebody is truly a contender until they show what they can do against mighty Youngstown State.
Hey, we all saw what Youngstown did to Duquesne.
Seriously though, I would not be surprised if the first half ends with WVU up just 7-6.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 07, 2016, 09:20:02 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 07, 2016, 08:40:39 AM
I think, if nothing else, this story is a fine example of how coaches can influence kids when it comes to their concepts of integrity and sportsmanship and owning your results.
Aside from making the ref uncomfortable, what does yelling at the ref have to do with any of that?
Also, you never seem to acknowledge that a bad call from a ref can determine the winner of the game. To use the example I gave, if we assume the ref really did make a bad call, we lost but had the ref made the right call we would have won. If you want to talk about integrity and owning results, how about some acknowledgement that ref mistakes determine the outcome of some games?
What is the point of stating the obvious?
Of course, even at that you are being a bit silly. What was the score of that game?
Lets say it was 44-45. If the ref had not blown the call (and of course the likelihood is that he made the right call, and had he NOT made that right call, the OTHER team would have had the game "stolen" from them"), then the score would have been 46-45.
What about the other 20 scores that happened in that game? Or didn't happen, because they were defended.
Had any of THOSE scores or not scores been taken away by the official "stealing" the game, they would have had that exact same outcome.
It is special pleading to think that the last play is somehow more relevant than all the others - a common mistake to be sure, but it betrays a rather amateurish way of thinking about these things.
There are a ridiculous number of variables that go into the outcome of a game, many of which can be controlled by the players, and many of which cannot. Simple dumb luck drives a lot of outcomes when teams are evenly matched. Which way does the ball bounce on the fumble, where did the blocked shot go, did the 50-50 block charge go block or charge, etc., etc.
Can an official decide the outcome of a game? Of course - when all those variables line up just right, it is the case that one of them can tilt things one way or another. But it is lazy thinking to decide that of some huge number of variables, all of which went into the outcome of a tight game, we should pick out the one that gives you some emotional satisfaction because you can "blame" someone as the decisive variable. When had a ball bounced differently 5 minutes earlier, you would have been down by 5 going into that last possession, or up by 4, and nothing the official does or does not do would have mattered.
And the reality is that even in the situation you described, even if it was a completely blown call that had it been called right would have meant you guys won that game...he still did not "steal" it from you. You didn't play well enough to overcome the inherent sloppiness that happens in every sporting event, the inevitable friction of luck that plays its role. Some human messed up - so what? Do you have an expectation that officials ought to never mess up, and if they do they are "stealing" from you? Were the officials in that game otherwise perfect, and that was the only mistake made? Or were there other mistakes that benefited your team, and without THOSE mistakes you would never have been in position for the buzzer beater anyway?
Who really decided that game? The official who made a mistake at a critical point? Or you? Did you make every single shot you took in that game? Turn the ball over at all? Did you PLAY perfectly? Why do you expect officials to be perfect? Didn't you steal the game from yourself by not making every single shot?
Sounds to me like a longwinded refusal to own results.:)
Quote from: derspiess on September 07, 2016, 08:53:34 AM
Harbaugh-- now there's a dude who knows how to yell at a ref.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/10/9494521/jim-harbaugh-yelling-dominating-northwestern-not-enough
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Classic example of people reading into that something that isn't there. There are plenty of examples of Harbaugh yelling at refs - not just cursing, because he is always trying to make a point - but that isn't one of them. He's just yelling "no way!" after seeing a play he didn't like. He's not even standing in front of the ref.
Here is harbaugh yelling at the refs (as he demonstrates why he thinks they were wrong about a roughing the kicker call).
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:lol: Okay grumbler.
Abuse is a vicious circle.
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Quote from: alfred russel on September 07, 2016, 10:05:25 AM
Sounds to me like a longwinded refusal to own results.:)
I was thinking that as well.
I've never known a player or coach to credit an official with their win, only their losses are the officials fault.
Oh look, we are back to sportsmanship.
Quote from: Valmy on September 06, 2016, 10:18:07 PM
Cincinnati better be in. They are the only decent program East of the Mississippi that is not UConn and not in a major conference. WV needs an eastern partner.
East Carolina.
Quote from: Berkut on September 07, 2016, 11:43:13 AM
Oh look, we are back to sportsmanship.
Did you really expect good sportsmanship from Dorsey?
Quote from: Berkut on September 07, 2016, 11:43:13 AM
I was thinking that as well.
I've never known a player or coach to credit an official with their win, only their losses are the officials fault.
Oh look, we are back to sportsmanship.
I agree on the point about teams only blaming officials for losses and not giving them credit for wins (assuming mistakes were made).
YMMV, and I know I'm in a distinct minority on this, but I think Oregon should have made some effort to forfeit the game against OU several years ago. That is a very rare case when a single egregious call so obviously flipped the outcome of the game. OU would have been in position to just take a knee (which is still a play that needs to be executed, so technically even then the game wouldn't have been over).
Time for the big Wyoming comeback!
I have to say this is a pretty weak slate of games to start the day with, though watching Pitt destroy Penn State is fun.
You know Week #2 is normally a snoozer for most big programs. Big Week #1 game, then the next week or two are off/OOC lowbies, then it's back to another primetimer.
I don't know, the UGA game was rather interesting. Oh god I wish Nichols could have gotten 3 more points - Monday would have been so much fun. The Clemson game is rather interesting too.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 10, 2016, 02:23:56 PM
I don't know, the UGA game was rather interesting. Oh god I wish Nichols could have gotten 3 more points - Monday would have been so much fun. The Clemson game is rather interesting too.
Yeah as it turned out alot of those games turned out to be interesting. Looking to be a truly wretched day for the Big 12 so far. Rock Chalk Lose-a-lot.
QuoteSeriously though, I would not be surprised if the first half ends with WVU up just 7-6.
You called it...well not exactly but you got the spirit of it.
Fire up Chips! :lmfao:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2016, 02:45:42 PM
Fire up Chips! :lmfao:
Shame on Okie State man. I knew the conference would be down this year but yikes. Texas might win it.
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2016, 02:47:08 PM
Shame on Okie State man. I knew the conference would be down this year but yikes. Texas might win it.
Hopefully Pitt mudholes them next week too.
Just hoping Tulsa Doom can keep shoving around OSU.
"The ball will be found, Dr. Meyer....You won't!"
:( Wyoming forgot there are 4 quarters.
It seems weird watching SMU fighting on the side of truth and righteousness.
Quote from: PDH on September 10, 2016, 03:38:01 PM
:( Wyoming forgot there are 4 quarters.
There's a little Subaru I see at the parking lot at work, with Wyoming plates and the the Cowboy logo on the fixed window on each side. One I day I hope to meet that person.
Even in a Banana Slugs shirt, I will always root for Wyoming. I can't help it.
Quote from: derspiess on September 07, 2016, 09:33:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 06, 2016, 10:51:28 PM
Hey you never know if somebody is truly a contender until they show what they can do against mighty Youngstown State.
Hey, we all saw what Youngstown did to Duquesne.
Seriously though, I would not be surprised if the first half ends with WVU up just 7-6.
I wasn't too far off. The Penguins had WVU tied 14-14 at the half :rolleyes:
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2016, 02:39:42 PM
Yeah as it turned out alot of those games turned out to be interesting. Looking to be a truly wretched day for the Big 12 so far. Rock Chalk Lose-a-lot.
Kansas angered the football gods by firing the Mangino. The only way to break the curse is to hire another fat guy. Oh wait they did that and it didn't work? I think they are fucked forever.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2016, 03:23:00 PM
Just hoping Tulsa Doom can keep shoving around OSU.
"The ball will be found, Dr. Meyer....You won't!"
Stupid turnovers. :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2016, 08:52:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2016, 03:23:00 PM
Just hoping Tulsa Doom can keep shoving around OSU.
"The ball will be found, Dr. Meyer....You won't!"
Stupid turnovers. :mad:
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I liked the true freshman defense they rolled out late in the 4th.
Arizona is getting schooled by Grambling State, whoever the hell that is...
Were those VT uniforms the worst you've ever seen, or the worst, period?
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 11, 2016, 08:59:18 AM
I'm a little ashamed of Berk right now.
Well-Meaning Yet Apathetically Aloof White Guy Syndrome manifests itself in several forms, unfortunately. Even in sports.
YOU MEAN ALCORN STATE ISNT IN ALCORN?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 11, 2016, 09:04:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 11, 2016, 08:59:18 AM
I'm a little ashamed of Berk right now.
Well-Meaning Yet Apathetically Aloof White Guy Syndrome manifests itself in several forms, unfortunately. Even in sports.
YOU MEAN ALCORN STATE ISNT IN ALCORN?
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Bitches, Booties and Hos, oh my.
Well done, Berkut! They fell for it like Smeagal falling into the Cracks of Doom.
As the requisite grumbler-mandated annotated references--including the appropriate hyperlinks--have not been provided, we're going to require additional evidence that it is, in fact, like Smeagal falling into the Cracks of Doom.
Someone is butthurt! :lol:
That would be just the Crack of Doom.
Quote from: grumbler on September 11, 2016, 07:14:05 AM
Were those VT uniforms the worst you've ever seen, or the worst, period?
Who knows. Their "special" uniforms reached such a high level of ugliness long ago that it's just tough for me to tell if they're getting worse or are just as bad. And they should know by now that special uniform + national game = loss.
Quote from: derspiess on September 11, 2016, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: grumbler on September 11, 2016, 07:14:05 AM
Were those VT uniforms the worst you've ever seen, or the worst, period?
Who knows. Their "special" uniforms reached such a high level of ugliness long ago that it's just tough for me to tell if they're getting worse or are just as bad. And they should know by now that special uniform + national game = loss.
Just wait until next season, when they debut the anniversary "Cho" unis.
:XD:
Quote from: derspiess on September 11, 2016, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: grumbler on September 11, 2016, 07:14:05 AM
Were those VT uniforms the worst you've ever seen, or the worst, period?
Who knows. Their "special" uniforms reached such a high level of ugliness long ago that it's just tough for me to tell if they're getting worse or are just as bad. And they should know by now that special uniform + national game = loss.
Their special uniforms were ugly, but at least had one of the team colors. The ones in Bristol gave no indication of what team they were.
Plus, the fonts for the numbers looked way too skinny and weird.
Let he whose team has not worn hideous special/throwback uniforms cast the first stone.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 11, 2016, 07:17:46 PM
Let he whose team has not worn hideous special/throwback uniforms cast the first stone.
That pretty much just leaves Alabama.
But VT's special uniforms for Bristol weren't hideous. Hideous would be a big step up.
Quote from: grumbler on September 11, 2016, 07:20:43 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 11, 2016, 07:17:46 PM
Let he whose team has not worn hideous special/throwback uniforms cast the first stone.
That pretty much just leaves Alabama.
But VT's special uniforms for Bristol weren't hideous. Hideous would be a big step up.
I don't think Penn State has either, but I also think a program loses any trash talking rights after the first decade its team showers are used for child rape.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 11, 2016, 07:17:46 PM
Let he whose team has not worn hideous special/throwback uniforms cast the first stone.
<Raises Hand>
Quote from: Berkut on September 11, 2016, 09:49:32 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 11, 2016, 07:17:46 PM
Let he whose team has not worn hideous special/throwback uniforms cast the first stone.
<Raises Hand>
*cough*
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I agree that ASU has shitty uniforms. :hmm:
Texas' uniforms have always basically been the same though they used those silly reflective helmet stickers recently.
Quote from: Berkut on September 12, 2016, 09:00:08 AM
I agree that ASU has shitty uniforms. :hmm:
Duh! I should have realized that google would show ASU uniforms even when i specifically search for "University of Arizona" uniforms.
Arizona seems to have done a good job. The worst one I could find was still pretty good.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Funiformcritics.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2F2013-arizona-new-uniforms-copper-helmet-675x380.jpg&hash=be49e9477d64f2203924134c89d911f98463a3ae)
Wait. So there's an Arizona *and* and Arizona State? Why do they need both?
Quote from: derspiess on September 12, 2016, 09:58:27 AM
Wait. So there's an Arizona *and* and Arizona State? Why do they need both?
Certainly Ohio has never seen the point of having two college football teams.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2016, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 12, 2016, 09:58:27 AM
Wait. So there's an Arizona *and* and Arizona State? Why do they need both?
Certainly Ohio has never seen the point of having two college football teams.
I've seen the Bengals play and can understand Ohio's point.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2016, 09:01:43 AM
Texas' uniforms have always basically been the same though they used those silly reflective helmet stickers recently.
The little logo on the front of the jersey: :mad:
Some people don't like the "TEXAS" on the front of the jersey, but I don't really mind it. It looked fine without it too. vOv
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2016, 10:11:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2016, 09:01:43 AM
Texas' uniforms have always basically been the same though they used those silly reflective helmet stickers recently.
The little logo on the front of the jersey: :mad:
Some people don't like the "TEXAS" on the front of the jersey, but I don't really mind it. It looked fine without it too. vOv
Well if this is as far as it goes I think we will be alright.
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:lol: He always looks bored.
E: But yeah, the little logo there in the center makes it too busy. It's not nutjob shit like VT or Baylor or whatever, but it would be better without it.
I've given up caring about college football uniforms. Sports apparel companies are going to pay to dress teams up in hideous outfits because for some reason that makes people buy their stuff, there is nothing I can do about it, and if I wanted to spend time worrying about clothes rather than football I'd be a fashion show fan rather than a football fan.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 12, 2016, 10:23:43 AM
I've given up caring about college football uniforms. Sports apparel companies are going to pay to dress teams up in hideous outfits because for some reason that makes people buy their stuff, there is nothing I can do about it, and if I wanted to spend time worrying about clothes rather than football I'd be a fashion show fan rather than a football fan.
Those hideous alternative Notre Dame uniforms really hit you hard huh? :console:
I am glad we can all agree on a couple critical points though:
1. In general, modern uniforms are an abomination.
2. Specifically, ASU's uniforms are even worse, but that is to be expected. It is ASU.
3. Arizona is the exception, and has very sensible, while still cool, uniforms.
4. Grambling State has an awesome band.
Quote from: Berkut on September 12, 2016, 10:35:38 AM
I am glad we can all agree on a couple critical points though:
1. In general, modern uniforms are an abomination.
2. Specifically, ASU's uniforms are even worse, but that is to be expected. It is ASU.
3. Arizona is the exception, and has very sensible, while still cool, uniforms.
4. Grambling State has an awesome band.
Actually, regarding point #3 and the picture posted, while those uniforms do not seem bad in the picture, they are actually horrendous for a fan trying to watch the game in the stadium, because that shading numbering makes it hard to ready numbers and identify players.
I know that is not a concern of Nike because it isn't a concern of someone about to buy a jersey, so it is really not relevant I guess.
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2016, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 12, 2016, 09:58:27 AM
Wait. So there's an Arizona *and* and Arizona State? Why do they need both?
Certainly Ohio has never seen the point of having two college football teams.
The zips are enough for any state.
The lines this week for college football are interesting...Miami is only -3 against Appalachian State. It is at Appalachian State, but even though Miami hasn't played anyone, they do look significantly improved. It seems vegas isn't sold.
On the other hand, ND is -7.5 against Sparty.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 12, 2016, 10:23:43 AM
I've given up caring about college football uniforms. Sports apparel companies are going to pay to dress teams up in hideous outfits because for some reason that makes people buy their stuff, there is nothing I can do about it, and if I wanted to spend time worrying about clothes rather than football I'd be a fashion show fan rather than a football fan.
It's not about you.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 12, 2016, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2016, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 12, 2016, 09:58:27 AM
Wait. So there's an Arizona *and* and Arizona State? Why do they need both?
Certainly Ohio has never seen the point of having two college football teams.
The zips are enough for any state.
Maybe, but considering how few people in Ohio would be qualified to attend college if it weren't for athletes often getting a pass on their grades, you'd think that they'd want more scholarships available.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 12, 2016, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2016, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 12, 2016, 09:58:27 AM
Wait. So there's an Arizona *and* and Arizona State? Why do they need both?
Certainly Ohio has never seen the point of having two college football teams.
The zips are enough for any state.
The Mighty Bobcats beg to differ.
Case Western Reserve Spartans. OK, not really.
My brother went to CWRU.
Worst neighborhood ever. And I went to New Haven. It's bad.
Speaking of teams from Ohio, Bearcats are playing tough game vs #6 Houston.
Quote from: katmai on September 15, 2016, 07:52:55 PM
Speaking of teams from Ohio, Bearcats are playing tough game vs #6 Houston.
Were :mellow:
This morning I told my buddy in Houston the Bearcats would either win by 2 or lose by 28.
Speaking of uniforms....
http://www.espn.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/103794/arizonas-uniform-honors-the-life-of-the-battleship
Quote from: Berkut on September 17, 2016, 12:20:41 AM
Speaking of uniforms....
http://www.espn.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/103794/arizonas-uniform-honors-the-life-of-the-battleship
Best alt uniform ever.
Very tasteful.
Did not know "At 'Em Arizona" was the ship's motto; it was also the ship's newsletter, published "wherever she may be"
https://www.nps.gov/valr/learn/historyculture/at-em-arizona-newsletter.htm
Where is lemonjello when we need em?
I don't care what anyone else says about 2016; it hasn't been all bad. :cool:
Hawks just got beat by mighty North Dakota State. At home. :pinch:
North Dakota State doesn't suck. They have been playing good football for a while. No benefit for a team like Iowa to ever schedule them.
North Dakota State regularly beats Iowa State and Kansas. Maybe they thought Iowa was just another bottom dweller Big 12 team. This shortly after Greg Davis proclaimed the Iowa QB the best he had ever coached, way ahead of those scrubs Vince Young and Colt McCoy.
Speaking of sucking it looks like it is the Big 10s week to suck.
Oh and Tennessee. Because Butch Jones sucks.
Hasn't North Dakota State won several championships in a row?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 17, 2016, 04:23:01 PM
Hasn't North Dakota State won several championships in a row?
5 in a row.
They regularly beat top division teams too...
They are deceptive because their name sounds like some scrub. As I said they regularly terrorize the remains of the Big 12 north.
Marshall lost big to the Zips. All those Herd fans that said 2016 was their year have suddenly become silent.
Quote from: Valmy on September 17, 2016, 03:38:18 PM
Oh and Tennessee. Because Butch Jones sucks.
im not endorsing butch jones, but i dont think ohio sucks either.
Quote from: derspiess on September 17, 2016, 05:36:38 PM
Marshall lost big to the Zips. All those Herd fans that said 2016 was their year have suddenly become silent.
Anybody in their right mind should have known it's a rebuilding year for Marshall, but even in a rebuilding year they shouldn't get steamrolled by Akron.
Speaking of steamrolled, I'm not surprised that Louisville beat Florida State, but I'm very surprised by the margin.
Wyoming won (45-22) over the mighty Aggies...of UC Davis.
Still, three games into the season the Wyoming has tied their total wins of last year! I sense the smell of mediocrity again, instead of abjectly awful.
It is good time to be a Cowboy!
Quote from: grumbler on September 17, 2016, 06:55:17 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 17, 2016, 12:20:41 AM
Speaking of uniforms....
http://www.espn.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/103794/arizonas-uniform-honors-the-life-of-the-battleship
Best alt uniform ever.
I actually really like the jersey color. That steel hull grey looks pretty good.
Well that was an ending full of stupidity. Loser decision to punt, followed by a fumble at the goal line (after some defensive dumbassery) that apparently wasn't picked up fast enough by the D, so the offense was given the ball back to take a couple of knees.
Yeah well two steps forward one step back. Shitshow of a game. I hope better things to come this season.
It was a disaster but not a OU 2012 disaster. Still time for that though :P
Didn't know until yesterday that Sabin played corner in college.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 04, 2016, 11:28:03 PM
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Quote from: Valmy on September 04, 2016, 11:10:41 PM
Is Hunter ok? I hoped, since he kept trying to get up, that maybe it was just a precaution.
No idea, it looked like he was out cold immediately after the hit. Definitely was a bit silly. Not sure how he could have held onto the ball.
You think so? I hope not. You never want to see that.
Immediately after the hit, he was on his back with his hands slightly raised in what seemed to be the fencing response.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing_response
Probably a concussion serious enough to keep him out a week or two. Probably a week, since two weeks from now is Michigan State.
For those wondering, Tori Hunter was out a week against Nevada with a concussion, but was back last night against Michigan State.
Notre Dame's defense is putrid. The DC is all about blitzing and putting pressure on the QB, yet through three games I'm not sure if ND has a single sack. The run defense was humiliated last night. The secondary is really struggling to cover anyone. It will not be a pleasant season in South Bend.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 04, 2016, 11:06:16 PM
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And then one the other side, there's Norte Dame. I respect the heck out of Norte Dame football, but I don't actually like them.
Which is why their receivers are allowed to be decapitated. You see, the spinal cord has to be completely dislodged through the catch. :lol:
Should have held on to the ball.
I hope you feel bad for making this comment. The guy had a concussion.
In happier news, Miami looks dramatically improved from last year. They still haven't played anyone, but with 3 starting true freshmen linebackers and a team that sucked last year, the floor seemed low. I don't expect them to make the playoff or anything, and expect an ugly loss or two as the team gets into ACC play, but I'm looking forward to watching them the rest of the season. I think the team has a legit shot to go to the ACC Championship game--I'd say they are the favorite at this point from their division--and that has never happened before.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 18, 2016, 03:41:43 PM
I hope you feel bad for making this comment. The guy had a concussion.
That's not good for him, but in order to get that TD he really did need to hold on to the ball.
I also note Seedy didn't try to throw the racism card around re: the late hit to the face Buechele took in that game that wasn't flagged either. Funny how that works.
So, in case you haven't seen it, a Georgia fan was pretty excited about their W: https://twitter.com/barstooltweets/status/777383467957059584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Fake
Quote from: Berkut on September 18, 2016, 06:51:34 PM
Fake
The glass looked like it went down too easy, but:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsnNIbkUMAA4ZIv.jpg)
GO DAWGS WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
https://www.dawgnation.com/football/georgia-fans-celebratory-trip-through-door-earns-hospital-trip
Pretty good cut on the bicep there.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 18, 2016, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 18, 2016, 03:41:43 PM
I hope you feel bad for making this comment. The guy had a concussion.
That's not good for him, but in order to get that TD he really did need to hold on to the ball.
:wacko: Yeah, and if Mike Utley wanted Barry Sanders to get that first down, he really needed to finish his block.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 18, 2016, 08:12:29 PM
:wacko: Yeah, and if Mike Utley wanted Barry Sanders to get that first down, he really needed to finish his block.
I don't know why you think I should feel bad for saying someone needed to hold on to the ball in order to get a touchdown.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 18, 2016, 08:14:43 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 18, 2016, 08:12:29 PM
:wacko: Yeah, and if Mike Utley wanted Barry Sanders to get that first down, he really needed to finish his block.
I don't know why you think I should feel bad for saying someone needed to hold on to the ball in order to get a touchdown.
That isn't what you said. You said he "should have held onto the ball". He was likely physically incapable of holding onto the ball - he had a concussion.
There was no context about scoring a touchdown, nor was there in the post you were responding to, which was complaining about the officiating not calling a penalty. CdM's post was "Which is why their receivers are allowed to be decapitated. You see, the spinal cord has to be completely dislodged through the catch." (the first sentence referring to anti ND bias alluded to in a previous post)
So an article just rolled across ShaggyBevo:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/sep/18/questions-and-accusations-swirl-in-wsu-football-pr/
QuoteOn Thursday, Washington State University football star Robert Barber was expelled from school. A day later, the athlete was arrested by Pullman police on felony assault charges.
And at a key moment in Saturday's game against Idaho, Barber – who is allowed to play while appealing his expulsion – blocked a field-goal attempt that resulted in a 72-yard touchdown return, completely shifting the game's momentum in the Cougars' favor.
But it's the momentum that is building off the field, with 29 player arrests in the past four-plus seasons under coach Mike Leach – including two arrests Friday for alleged felony assault – that has WSU answering more questions about the hits players are delivering at parties than the ones they are delivering on the football field.
The 29 arrests with Leach as coach is a number that leads all NCAA Division I schools. In that same time frame, the Cougars have won 22 games.
Colorado actually won the 2016 Fulmer Cup, but Washington State apparently has been quietly racking up the arrests over the last few years.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 18, 2016, 08:23:54 PM
That isn't what you said. You said he "should have held onto the ball". He was likely physically incapable of holding onto the ball - he had a concussion.
There was no context about scoring a touchdown, nor was there in the post you were responding to, which was complaining about the officiating not calling a penalty. CdM's post was "Which is why their receivers are allowed to be decapitated. You see, the spinal cord has to be completely dislodged through the catch." (the first sentence referring to anti ND bias alluded to in a previous post)
You might be on to something here if I had said something about being glad he got knocked out or whatever you want me to have said. I didn't, so get over it. The two different groups of refs decided not to call it, just like they didn't call the helmet to helmet on the Texas QB. If there was going to be anything from that play, he needed to hold on to the ball, just like Buechele needed to not throw the INT. Seedy going to his usual racist shit about it after ignoring the exact same thing happening to the other team is the only reason we were even kept talking about it.
Nah, you just went into full on troll mode after the game.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 18, 2016, 08:35:08 PM
Nah, you just went into full on troll mode after the game.
:lol: That was some pro trolling I guess, since I didn't even say anything to him until his second post bitching about the topic, to which he then started doing his usual race thing. Maybe you should follow Torii Hunter Jrs example and get over it.
E: Hm Colorado "won" the Fulmer Cup based on the actions of one guy, Nathaniel Robbins, who was charged with eight felonies, 15 total charges. Damn, dude. Attacked his girlfriend, then fought with the cops. The Fulmer Cup shit has really gotten way too serious for how it's presented now.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 18, 2016, 08:36:49 PM
:lol: That was some pro trolling I guess, since I didn't even say anything to him until his second post bitching about the topic, to which he then started doing his usual race thing. Maybe you should follow Torii Hunter Jrs example and get over it.
You also posted, randomly after the game, "Brian Kelly is a piece of shit." Oh yeah, you weren't trolling at all.
Btw, I don't know what you think I should get over. I never said that play should have been a penalty. I don't think it should have been. I don't think the Texas player was targeting. I welcome plays like that not being called penalties, however, I don't welcome it if they aren't called against ND but are called on them. We will see how this works out the rest of the year.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 18, 2016, 08:57:50 PM
You also posted, randomly after the game, "Brian Kelly is a piece of shit." Oh yeah, you weren't trolling at all.
Yeah. Random, except in response to a post (from Val, I believe) about Brian Kelly. Who IS a piece of shit, by the way.
QuoteBtw, I don't know what you think I should get over. I never said that play should have been a penalty. I don't think it should have been. I don't think the Texas player was targeting. I welcome plays like that not being called penalties, however, I don't welcome it if they aren't called against ND but are called on them. We will see how this works out the rest of the year.
I think it was targeting, I also think the hit on the QB was both late AND targeting. Neither were called:
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It was two weeks ago. I also don't feel bad about saying he should have held on to the ball. Deal with it.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 18, 2016, 08:35:08 PM
Nah, you just went into full on troll mode after the game.
Just don' mention assignment of TV rights, or you'll see BerserkerBurgerMaker in
actual full troll mode.
You two need to check out what trolling actually is. Did you ever figure out that grant of rights thing, grumbler?
I think I know what trolling is. :)
Aw man, NDSU only hit 27 in the AP, tied with UCLA.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings
QuoteOthers receiving votes: TCU 132, North Dakota State 74, UCLA 74, Boise State 69, Iowa 47, California 44, Oklahoma State 42, Notre Dame 32, Oregon 23, Georgia Tech 17, North Carolina 17, Central Michigan 16, South Florida 7, Toledo 6, Western Michigan 6, Arizona State 3, Maryland 3, Virginia Tech 1
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 18, 2016, 09:29:59 PM
Aw man, NDSU only hit 27 in the AP, tied with UCLA.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings
QuoteOthers receiving votes: TCU 132, North Dakota State 74, UCLA 74, Boise State 69, Iowa 47, California 44, Oklahoma State 42, Notre Dame 32, Oregon 23, Georgia Tech 17, North Carolina 17, Central Michigan 16, South Florida 7, Toledo 6, Western Michigan 6, Arizona State 3, Maryland 3, Virginia Tech 1
Ah NDSU. :wub:
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it before, but my fraternity made
at least an annual pilgrimage to our brothers an NDSU once per year (often once or twice more). They threw pretty darn good parties. They'd make a trip up to Winnipeg a couple times as well (the lure of an 18 drinking age was pretty strong). Fargo/Moorehead isn't an amazing town by any stretch, but with good company you could have a lot of fun there.
And funnily enough, we never had as good a connection to UND, despite the fact that you had to drive through Grand Forks to get to Fargo.
It's been nice to see the NDSU Bison have such success. :)
Did you lay any pipe in the Bakken Beeb? :perv:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 18, 2016, 09:06:57 PM
You two need to check out what trolling actually is. Did you ever figure out that grant of rights thing, grumbler?
Oh, yeah. Remember, the conference I follow has used grants of rights for decades, now. It's always fun to watch n00bs to a topic claim to be the experts, and go berserk when their "expertise" is challenged.
Did you ever realize that a grant of rights is a contract?
Quote from: Barrister on September 18, 2016, 10:05:59 PM
... my fraternity made at least an annual pilgrimage to our brothers an NDSU once per year (often once or twice more).
The best annual pilgrimages take place every year. :D
So, that Jibrill Peppers guy turns out to be pretty good, huh?
9 tackles (4 for loss, 6 solo), a sack, 2 kick returns for 81 yards, 4 punt returns for 99 yards, 2 PBU, 2 rushes for 24 yards, and his use as a decoy in the passing game pretty much paralyzed Colorado's safeties until they couldn't make the play on their man (Michigan didn't actually throw to him once this game).
If you get a chance to watch his blitz for the sack, you should. it is a picture-perfect example of how to time a blitz and come right through the line untouched. I don't think a blitz can be done better.
Peppers is one hell of a weapon. Colorado should have just not punted at all in that game.
Quote from: grumbler on September 19, 2016, 05:08:32 AM
Oh, yeah. Remember, the conference I follow has used grants of rights for decades, now. It's always fun to watch n00bs to a topic claim to be the experts, and go berserk when their "expertise" is challenged.
Did you ever realize that a grant of rights is a contract?
No one claimed to be an expert in anything there. You were just busy talking out your ass, then refusing to admit you were wrong after your hurried Google search. If you like, I can go ahead and post your quotes when I get back to my office.
Actually, since you have decided, once again, to try to spin that, and in the interest of just ending this before it even gets started:
A summary from the last time you tried to act like you said something else:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,9557.msg638776.html#msg638776
The money shot where you compared a GOR to a regular TV deal:
Quote from: youDunno why you are so butthurt about the Big 12's problems. Yeah, they just signed a TV deal, but they had a TV deal when they lost 1/3 of their membership. You can feel free to argue that the Big 12 looks as stable for the future as the ACC, but don't expect everyone to buy it.
Blahblahblah. We're done. Again. I should really just save this stuff as an easily postable text document for when you decide to try to spin your way out of it every other year or so. Maybe if I get bored enough. Hm.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 19, 2016, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: grumbler on September 19, 2016, 05:08:32 AM
Oh, yeah. Remember, the conference I follow has used grants of rights for decades, now. It's always fun to watch n00bs to a topic claim to be the experts, and go berserk when their "expertise" is challenged.
Did you ever realize that a grant of rights is a contract?
No one claimed to be an expert in anything there. You were just busy talking out your ass, then refusing to admit you were wrong after your hurried Google search. If you like, I can go ahead and post your quotes when I get back to my office.
So, you don't accept that the GOR is a contract? Can't help you, then, if you refuse to understand the most fundamental concept behind a GOR. Google could help you, there.
QuoteActually, since you have decided, once again, to try to spin that, and in the interest of just ending this before it even gets started:
A summary from the last time you tried to act like you said something else:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,9557.msg638776.html#msg638776
The money shot where you compared a GOR to a regular TV deal: Quote from: youDunno why you are so butthurt about the Big 12's problems. Yeah, they just signed a TV deal, but they had a TV deal when they lost 1/3 of their membership. You can feel free to argue that the Big 12 looks as stable for the future as the ACC, but don't expect everyone to buy it.
Blahblahblah. We're done. Again. I should really just save this stuff as an easily postable text document for when you decide to try to spin your way out of it every other year or so. Maybe if I get bored enough. Hm.
Well, if you understood that a GOR is a contract, and a TV deal is a contract, you can see that they are, in fact, both contracts. Since you insist that a GOR is magically something other than a contract, there isn't a whole lot to add, other than to note, once again, that you are getting hysterical over something that is just a matter of business.
And it still isn't true that as you asserted in the thread you linked, if a school that leaves a conference with a GOR,
Quote...they would lose the rights to their TV $$ for the length of the GoR...
. Such a departure would just be a breach of contract, as I said at the time this came up. That's where we disagree.
If you want to start trying to grumbler it up again, instead of posting here just re-read everything that was already said so you're only wasting your own time. There's a link right there for you. It's good that you've done some more research into it though! Kind of a bummer you didn't know about it when you first spouted off, right?
E: Anyhow, Valmy did you watch the press conference? Charlie talking about evaluating the coaching staff over the next two weeks?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 19, 2016, 11:55:44 AM
E: Anyhow, Valmy did you watch the press conference? Charlie talking about evaluating the coaching staff over the next two weeks?
That was a little concerning to me. He seemed a little out of touch with his team to be that surprised by their sucking.
But there are a few consistently shitty defensive backs who have been responsible for defensive ineptitude for the past three years. It might be time to give somebody else a shot.
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2016, 12:20:21 PM
That was a little concerning to me. He seemed a little out of touch with his team to be that surprised by their sucking.
But there are a few consistently shitty defensive backs who have been responsible for defensive ineptitude for the past three years. It might be time to give somebody else a shot.
It feels like if the D could just improve to the "wet paper bag" level, the team would have a good chance to win a good number of games. Not crazy person talk like a playoff spot, but respectable enough to get them through the rest of the season.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 19, 2016, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2016, 12:20:21 PM
That was a little concerning to me. He seemed a little out of touch with his team to be that surprised by their sucking.
But there are a few consistently shitty defensive backs who have been responsible for defensive ineptitude for the past three years. It might be time to give somebody else a shot.
It feels like if the D could just improve to the "wet paper bag" level, the team would have a good chance to win a good number of games. Not crazy person talk like a playoff spot, but respectable enough to get them through the rest of the season.
Yeah some nut on Shaggy was whining that the refs weird call on the goal line fumble Saturday night (Sunday morning? :P) cost Texas a chance at a playoff spot :lol: :rolleyes:
Anyway the D is getting better. The linebackers and D-Line are much improved. Just need to figure out what can be done about the defensive backs.
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2016, 12:45:08 PM
Yeah some nut on Shaggy was whining that the refs weird call on the goal line fumble Saturday night (Sunday morning? :P) cost Texas a chance at a playoff spot :lol: :rolleyes:
Anyway the D is getting better. The linebackers and D-Line are much improved. Just need to figure out what can be done about the defensive backs.
:lol: I try to avoid the football board after a loss. Gets juuuuuust a little crazy there.
Speaking of the linebackers, I about passed out when Jefferson got hurt. The DBs really just seem...confused....sometimes. I mean even when they're not just leaving WRs completely alone.
That 9:30 PM kickoff was horrible btw. Forget I ever supported that PAC 16 scheme.
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2016, 12:50:47 PM
That 9:30 PM kickoff was horrible btw. Forget I ever supported that PAC 16 scheme.
Yeah, that was pretty bad. I really like the PAC schools and most of the locations and all that, but that time zone is just no good for us.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 19, 2016, 11:55:44 AM
If you want to start trying to grumbler it up again, instead of posting here just re-read everything that was already said so you're only wasting your own time. There's a link right there for you. It's good that you've done some more research into it though! Kind of a bummer you didn't know about it when you first spouted off, right?
Watching you weasel isn't as much fun as watching you completely lose your shit, but has its own pleasures. I think anyone reading that thread and this understands that my understanding of the situation regarding GORs (that they are just contracts, not irrevocable "pacts of iron") is the correct one, and always has been.
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2016, 12:50:47 PM
That 9:30 PM kickoff was horrible btw. Forget I ever supported that PAC 16 scheme.
Yeah, that made sense from Cal's standpoint but, as a national game, running into the early morning, it was a bad idea. The later time didn't even lead to a sellout (there were still some 13,000 unsold tickets).
Quote from: grumbler on September 19, 2016, 01:57:22 PM
Watching you weasel isn't as much fun as watching you completely lose your shit, but has its own pleasures. I think anyone reading that thread and this understands that my understanding of the situation regarding GORs (that they are just contracts, not irrevocable "pacts of iron") is the correct one, and always has been.
There is no weaseling from me (I actually haven't said anything new at all, you seem to be typing a lot though, with a lot of accusations of various things included), and no one is losing their shit, nor have they. Exactly what was said can be seen, including your actual statement, people who were not agreeing with you, whatever you're calling going berserk or crazy, and don't forget the zero claims of expertise. It's all there.
E: Just in case you missed it in whatever argument you're trying to make here, the summary can be seen here: http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,9557.msg638776.html#msg638776 You should check it out.
Here's a stat I like, even if it is misleading: Michigan has allowed only four third down conversions in three games so far. That's best in the country, percentage-wise.
Now, that doesn't mean they've given up the fewest first downs; they are actually very mediocre in that department, giving up 15.3 per game, compared to leading Florida's 9. it is just that opponents don't need to get to third down almost half the time!
Gotta love stats.
So the question is, who performed worse in the first half of the Georgia Tech - Clemson game: me, or Georgia Tech?
I went with a girl, who ditched me and left the game with 6 minutes to go in the first half. I ended up watching the rest of the game by myself.
Georgia Tech went into the half having been outgained by Clemson 347 - 22.
Was she a Georgia Tech fan?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 22, 2016, 11:54:51 PM
Was she a Georgia Tech fan?
No, both of us were neutrals. Bizarrely we started arguing walking into the stadium after I commented that it was good she was wearing a white shirt and I wished I was (it was supposed to be a white out). She was horrified she might be considered a georgia tech supporter, and thoroughly put off when I tried to convince her that georgia tech people are good people and she should support the yellow jackets tonight.
She is an Auburn fan, and doesn't believe non SEC football should really count.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 23, 2016, 12:17:05 AM
She is an Auburn fan, and doesn't believe non SEC football should really count.
Sounds like you lucked out to me.
I never had any luck either with girls that like football :(
Michigan finally discovers what can stop them against the Penn State Pedos: the half.
Wisconsin looks a lot better than I expected. Gameday in Ann Arbor next week?
Tennessee managed to make a shitty uniform twice as shitty.
Ped State getting crushed means it has been a good weekend no matter what.
Hotty Toddy, you Georgia pukes.
Jesus Christ ND sucks. The D is horrendous. Just about making a bowl at this point--and beating USC.
The taint is strong with ND.
Yeah well so does Texas. Fortunately the Big 12 is so horrendous this year they might reach nine wins if they play their shitty defensive backs right.
Kind of puts that opening night battle in perspective doesn't it? :P
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 24, 2016, 07:59:25 PM
The taint is strong with ND.
When was Tim born? ND's last national title was 1988. :hmm:
Quote from: Valmy on September 24, 2016, 08:00:39 PM
Yeah well so does Texas. Fortunately the Big 12 is so horrendous this year they might reach nine wins if they play their shitty defensive backs right.
Kind of puts that opening night battle in perspective doesn't it? :P
Zero doubt.
ND got a sack against Duke on a third down and the team went so nuts i thought it highly probable that would draw a penalty. That was their first sack of the season, and the DC is all about bringing pressure. :lol: ND hasn't forced a fumble yet this year--not even one the offense recovered. 1 turnover per game is the average I think. They just gave up 38 to a duke team that scored 27 combined against Wake Forest and Northwestern, combined.
The fans were distinctly chanting to fire the DC before the half.
Whew!
Survived against Berkut's Cats to face Stanford undeafeated on Friday.
Sigh. So close...
Well, Arizona under Dawkins at least looks a bit more legit to make a bowl game at least this year...
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 24, 2016, 06:00:00 PM
Tennessee managed to make a shitty uniform twice as shitty.
I wonder if their players are going to figure out before the season is over that a football game doesn't start with the third quarter.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 24, 2016, 07:54:25 PM
Jesus Christ ND sucks. The D is horrendous. Just about making a bowl at this point--and beating USC.
Yesterday Michigan re-took the lead in all-time winning percentage. Thanks, Duke! :showoff:
I am as mystified by the collapse of ND's defense as its fans are.
Defense? Stopping the run? Forcing change of possession? A Kelly craves none of these things.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2016, 11:15:57 AM
Defense? Stopping the run? Forcing change of possession? A Kelly craves none of these things.
A Kelly craves many other things. A fast paced offense, a QB successfully throwing the ball downfield, turning Notre Dame into Cincinnati circa 2008, jelly donuts, nearby people to yell at, and students in camera towers regardless of weather conditions.
Quote from: grumbler on September 25, 2016, 10:24:05 AM
I am as mystified by the collapse of ND's defense as its fans are.
I'm not perplexed at all. They suck at everything required to play good defense. They can't cover anyone; guys are running downfield open all over the place. They can't tackle. They can't rush the QB (1 sack all season). They can't generate turnovers (no fumbles all year--not even fumbles the offense recovered). They can't avoid blocks or get off them in the run game.
These guys are just bad at football. There was a ton of attrition from last year as guys left due to graduation / the NFL, and then there have been suspensions and injuries, and the guys taking the field are being asked to carry the load for the first time in their college career. And we are seeing they aren't good football players.
Les Miles has been shitcanned.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2016, 04:36:47 PM
Les Miles has been shitcanned.
That seems dumb. If you were going to fire him after a 2-2 start, they should have fired him last year. I get that at LSU there are politics involved, and you don't have one guy making the decision.
Ed Orgeron as an interim coach is interesting--I think he would be a great coach for Georgia Tech after they fire Paul Johnson-Georgia Tech will be desperate for a good recruiter when moving away from the triple option, and if nothing else that is Ed Orgeron (and quite possibly there is nothing else). But he has seemed a bit off in some recent interviews I've seen, age and a hard life may be catching up with him. 8 games as an interim coach will be a good test if he has anything left in the tank.
Two great memories of Ed Orgeron at Ole Miss (wouldn't it be hilarious if LSU can beat them this year?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX7wzhMvbzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n1KPQmdddY
Quote from: alfred russel on September 25, 2016, 03:38:46 PM
I'm not perplexed at all. They suck at everything required to play good defense. They can't cover anyone; guys are running downfield open all over the place. They can't tackle. They can't rush the QB (1 sack all season). They can't generate turnovers (no fumbles all year--not even fumbles the offense recovered). They can't avoid blocks or get off them in the run game.
These guys are just bad at football. There was a ton of attrition from last year as guys left due to graduation / the NFL, and then there have been suspensions and injuries, and the guys taking the field are being asked to carry the load for the first time in their college career. And we are seeing they aren't good football players.
The predictions I saw all said that ND's defense was going to be better this year than last year. What you describe are symptoms of the collapse, not causes of the collapse. They had a lot of attrition, but lots of teams had a lot of attrition - that's part of the game. They have a lot of returning players with a reasonable number of snaps.
Kelly clearly hope that it was coaching. I guess we'll see.
Quote from: grumbler on September 25, 2016, 07:37:22 PM
The predictions I saw all said that ND's defense was going to be better this year than last year. What you describe are symptoms of the collapse, not causes of the collapse. They had a lot of attrition, but lots of teams had a lot of attrition - that's part of the game. They have a lot of returning players with a reasonable number of snaps.
Kelly clearly hope that it was coaching. I guess we'll see.
What I'm describing is that the 11 guys lining up to play defense are not good at football. I think that is a root cause, not a symptom.
Maybe the defense will be fired up (out of embarrassment) to play better next week, but I fully expect them to be a weakness the rest of the year. This is the opposite of a historically scrub team with 2 and 3 star recruits giving some power teams scares (or even defeats), and then 7 years later you are watching the game on ESPN classic and realize they had a few future all pros at key positions.
Maybe the defense will play better with more experience, maybe some schematic things will slow the bleeding, and maybe new coaches will help player development. But I think the ultimate fixes to the defense are in high school right now.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 25, 2016, 05:08:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n1KPQmdddY
YAW YAW YAW YAW, FOOTBALL!
Quote from: alfred russel on September 25, 2016, 09:09:49 PM
What I'm describing is that the 11 guys lining up to play defense are not good at football. I think that is a root cause, not a symptom.
Maybe the defense will be fired up (out of embarrassment) to play better next week, but I fully expect them to be a weakness the rest of the year. This is the opposite of a historically scrub team with 2 and 3 star recruits giving some power teams scares (or even defeats), and then 7 years later you are watching the game on ESPN classic and realize they had a few future all pros at key positions.
Maybe the defense will play better with more experience, maybe some schematic things will slow the bleeding, and maybe new coaches will help player development. But I think the ultimate fixes to the defense are in high school right now.
Yes, they are not very good at football (duh!), but that isn't because they lack physical skills. The team has plenty of talent, it just isn't performing. Now, you seem to argue that they just happened to recruit a whole bunch of guys that refuse to harness their talents, but I think that that is unlikely. I suspect that the defensive collapse is due to something other than just rolling snakeyes in recruiting 22 times in a row.
Quote from: grumbler on September 26, 2016, 06:46:35 AM
Yes, they are not very good at football (duh!), but that isn't because they lack physical skills. The team has plenty of talent, it just isn't performing. Now, you seem to argue that they just happened to recruit a whole bunch of guys that refuse to harness their talents, but I think that that is unlikely. I suspect that the defensive collapse is due to something other than just rolling snakeyes in recruiting 22 times in a row.
There is a lot more to it. ND gets good recruiting rankings, but the good recruits skew toward the offense under Kelly. I've always felt that ND's recruiting rankings get overrated because of the way it recruits nationally (stars get given out based on measurables and how the guys play in high school games at ages 15-16, but coaches near a player will likely know more, and adjust recruiting accordingly--ie, if there are two 4 star guys in Georgia, and UGA and Notre Dame both take one, I'd suspect more times than not UGA gets the better one).
But also recruiting is just a crapshoot. The ND guys on defense may have solid measurables and lots of high school stars, but those stars were generally set when the players were 15-16 judging how they played against high schoolers. Lots of guys don't adjust to the speed and challenges of the college game, and it isn't just coaching or guys "refusing to harness their talents". I don't think it is coming up snake eyes on a bunch of recruits (odds of that 1 in 36), but more like coming up on the wrong end of a coin toss.
BVG can coach guys up--he has in the past. He just failed with this group. Hopefully another guy will do better, but I don't expect miracles.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2016, 04:36:47 PM
Les Miles has been shitcanned.
I'm going to miss that guy.
I'm sure he'll be back somewhere (assuming he wants to).
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I am kind of amazed you would fire a guy who won a national title recently. Sort of recently.
Quote from: Berkut on September 26, 2016, 10:16:27 AM
I am kind of amazed you would fire a guy who won a national title recently. Sort of recently.
They were talking about firing him at the end of last season. I think the LSU AD expected les to retire in the offseason. Les didn't though - maybe, in part, because he has a huge buyout (that's the rumor) and wanted to get fired so as to get the buyout.
It's clear that Les is less, now, and his departure was inevitable. How that played out, and who played who, will become clear over time.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 26, 2016, 09:28:47 AM
There is a lot more to it. ND gets good recruiting rankings, but the good recruits skew toward the offense under Kelly. I've always felt that ND's recruiting rankings get overrated because of the way it recruits nationally (stars get given out based on measurables and how the guys play in high school games at ages 15-16, but coaches near a player will likely know more, and adjust recruiting accordingly--ie, if there are two 4 star guys in Georgia, and UGA and Notre Dame both take one, I'd suspect more times than not UGA gets the better one).
This makes no sense. First, the few players that get ranked before the end of their junior season get re-ranked any number of times afterward, so no one is attending ND based on their ranking as a 15 or 16 year old. It is almost certainly true that a college recruiter who knows a high school coach well will get more info on that coach's players than someone who doesn't know him well, but that's an issue common to all football programs, and all football programs aren't underperforming like ND's defense.
QuoteBut also recruiting is just a crapshoot. The ND guys on defense may have solid measurables and lots of high school stars, but those stars were generally set when the players were 15-16 judging how they played against high schoolers. Lots of guys don't adjust to the speed and challenges of the college game, and it isn't just coaching or guys "refusing to harness their talents". I don't think it is coming up snake eyes on a bunch of recruits (odds of that 1 in 36), but more like coming up on the wrong end of a coin toss.
Craps aren't played with coins, so your analogy fits my example a lot better than yours. :P
I don't buy that ND has just gotten unlucky on all of their defensive recruits. If you are arguing that they chose their recruits poorly and so were vulnerable to some bad luck, I guess that's plausible.
Quote from: grumbler on September 26, 2016, 12:07:21 PM
This makes no sense. First, the few players that get ranked before the end of their junior season get re-ranked any number of times afterward, so no one is attending ND based on their ranking as a 15 or 16 year old.
Yeah, and woe to the recruiting service that changes a 5 star recruit to a 3 star in the player's senior season. Sophomores and juniors are 15 and 16 - those are performances that go into the ratings, subject to calibration.
QuoteIt is almost certainly true that a college recruiter who knows a high school coach well will get more info on that coach's players than someone who doesn't know him well, but that's an issue common to all football programs, and all football programs aren't underperforming like ND's defense.
Deep insight that all football programs aren't underperforming. However, I'll point out that through 4 weeks, college football teams have been rather mediocre--they have an aggregate record of .500. :P
Quote from: alfred russel on September 26, 2016, 12:27:39 PM
Yeah, and woe to the recruiting service that changes a 5 star recruit to a 3 star in the player's senior season. Sophomores and juniors are 15 and 16 - those are performances that go into the ratings, subject to calibration.
No, most 15 and 16 year-olds are not ranked. Look at the 247 database for 2018 recruits; they have only about 2500 even named, and only 300 or so of those have ratings.
QuoteDeep insight that all football programs aren't underperforming. However, I'll point out that through 4 weeks, college football teams have been rather mediocre--they have an aggregate record of .500. :P
Yes, the average team is average. Thank you,Captain Obvious. Your work here is done.
Now, if you really believe that "underperforming" means "average," I will believe that you have a degree from ND. Some teams are delighted to be average.
Quote from: grumbler on September 26, 2016, 01:55:49 PM
No, most 15 and 16 year-olds are not ranked. Look at the 247 database for 2018 recruits; they have only about 2500 even named, and only 300 or so of those have ratings.
The season isn't over. If you wait until March, I bet the vast majority of future 4 and 5 star recruits will have ratings.
At the same time, I just did a search of the rivals database, and in 2016 there were only 389 4 and 5 star players. Since the standouts get rated first, it is possible most 2018 4 and 5 stars have already been rated, if 300 have been. A search shows that in 2018 there are already 252 with 4 or 5 stars.
Here's a fun little website designed to prove (if possible) that any given team is better than any other given team, using the transitive principle:
http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/default.asp?sport=CFB&winner=Michigan&loser=Notre+Dame&year=2016&method=2 (http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/default.asp?sport=CFB&winner=Michigan&loser=Notre+Dame&year=2016&method=2)
Michigan Notre Dame
Div I - FBS Michigan is better than California because Michigan beat Hawaii 63 - 3
while California only beat Hawaii 51 - 31
Div I - FBS California beat Texas 50 - 43
Div I - FBS Texas beat Notre Dame 50 - 47
Therefore, Michigan is better than Notre Dame in 2016
as shown in 3 rounds by a combined score of 194 - 144.
It isn't a miracle worker, though:
Notre Dame Michigan
Sorry, I can't show that Notre Dame is better than Michigan in 2016.
Sort of like how Michigan State is better than Michigan in 7 of the last 8 years, and Ohio State is also better than than Michigan in 7 of the last 8 years?
Oh, hold on, it isn't like that at all, those are actually results on the field.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 26, 2016, 06:42:49 PM
Sort of like how Michigan State is better than Michigan in 7 of the last 8 years, and Ohio State is also better than than Michigan in 7 of the last 8 years?
Oh, hold on, it isn't like that at all, those are actually results on the field.
:lol: Notre Dame loses a couple of games and you become Grumpy Old Man?
That site is a joke. Deliberately a joke. Obviously deliberately a joke, to anyone with a sense of humor. Talk about Whoosh! :D
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
This is absolutely brilliant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDtQymNO4eQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDtQymNO4eQ)
:w00t: UDub looking good. Now to see how they fare next week can Ducks in Autzen.
Sign behind Corso on GameDay in Clemson "Clinton's servers are stronger than L-Ville's O-Line", "SAM PONDER PET MY MULLET"
:lol: Val: "And people say extra points are boring"
Texas special teams are really really bad. Defense isn't any better.
That was probably the worst half of football I have ever seen Texas play on defense and I have endured multiple 60 point plus beat downs by OU. But Texas made up for it with epically shitty special teams.
Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
That was probably the worst half of football I have ever seen Texas play on defense and I have endured multiple 60 point plus beat downs by OU. But Texas made up for it with epically shitty special teams.
Yeah it was a really...impressive.....effort by both of those squads, but I think I have to give the shit trophy to special teams. Three XPs blocked, one back for 2, and a missed FG. That's another level.
On the bright side you have to be pretty good on offense to suffer three blocked extra points in one half!
Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2016, 02:06:06 PM
On the bright side you have to be pretty good on offense to suffer three blocked extra points in one half!
Gilbert for interim HC! :P
Wow this is even worse than the Cal game.
Well I was wrong. I thought they would be much better than last year. New offense, new hotshot QB, improved defense, etc....
Instead they are actually worse. How is that possible? I don't recall Charlie Strong being known for such poor attention to detail and bad defense but it is sure the trademark of his Texas teams.
I don't remember hearing anything like that about him either.
It's definitely a problem when you have a defensive minded coach with an ultra bad defense.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 01, 2016, 02:44:35 PM
I don't remember hearing anything like that about him either.
It's definitely a problem when you have a defensive minded coach with an ultra bad defense.
It is more than just that though. The constant stupid penalties. The bizarre game management. The atrocious special teams.
Just...how? His tenure is going to be real short unless somehow three years of tendencies get turned around soon.
Even with all the other dumbassery, you've got to expect a D coach to have at least a pretty good defense. Maybe just solidly mediocre? :lol: We're talking about giving up 30 a game (against not UTEP) being an improvement over the cold dog shit they're putting out there right now.
I don't think there are going to be any significant changes, and I think he's going to be gone. Bummer, since he seems like an awesome guy, but it's just not going to work out in Austin. It would be cool to be wrong, but vOv
No his squad gave up 390 yards on 39 plays in the first quarter. I mean that is just sad.
The thing that solidly turned me against him was punting while behind late in the fourth quarter for the last two weeks when offense is the strength of his team. Especially against Cal when it was a one score game. That is just being a loser and I want no part of that at UT.
Yeah that was some crazy "lean on the defense" type shit in games where the defense is only putting up slightly more resistance than air. There's no way they were going to suddenly turn into the 85 Bears and start kicking ass all over the place. Just more of the bizarro decisions you were talking about earlier.
So who's your preference as a replacement? Herman?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 01, 2016, 03:08:22 PM
So who's your preference as a replacement? Herman?
Sure? LSU and USC have already expressed interest so who knows if he would even want to coach in Austin. We'll see.
Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2016, 03:09:45 PM
Sure? LSU and USC have already expressed interest so who knows if he would even want to coach in Austin. We'll see.
Well yeah, there's no way to know who would actually accept and all that. I don't even really know who's really out there outside of Herman at this point. I don't count rumor type guys like Fisher and Dantonio.
I'm sorry you guys are Texas fans. :(
No worries! We can just queue up the opening game W and forget the latest loss for a while. :)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2016, 03:21:13 PM
I'm sorry you guys are Texas fans. :(
Well I kind of got a degree from there. So do both my parents. You might want to try that...being a fan of the school you went to.
Quote from: Valmy on October 01, 2016, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2016, 03:21:13 PM
I'm sorry you guys are Texas fans. :(
Well I kind of got a degree from there. So do both my parents. You might want to try that...being a fan of the school you went to.
I am. They just don't play anybody of consequence, except derspeiss' Blue Hens. :lol:
But I meant being a fan these days, they have fallen on hard times. :( But your punk ass bitch cunt sensitivity has been noted, punk ass bitch cunt. :)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2016, 03:32:20 PM
But your punk ass bitch cunt sensitivity has been noted, punk ass bitch cunt. :)
Oh come on. Like you don't give me shit constantly :lol:
Fine fine.
It is rather disheartening to see them like this, and I really like Charlie Strong. College football is better with a good Texas. #EricMetcalfWouldveScoredThere
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2016, 03:39:32 PM
It is rather disheartening to see them like this, and I really like Charlie Strong.
Me to :( I wish it had worked out,
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2016, 03:39:32 PM
#EricMetcalfWouldveScoredThere
Haven't heard that name in a while. Hey he's got some head coaching experience. I'm changing my vote for interim HC to Metcalf.
Oh wow I hadn't noticed the UNC - FSU score. Tarheels up 21-7 with 5ish left in the half. FSU just got that TD.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 01, 2016, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2016, 03:39:32 PM
#EricMetcalfWouldveScoredThere
Haven't heard that name in a while. Hey he's got some head coaching experience. I'm changing my vote for interim HC to Metcalf.
Bet Metcalf could have tackled better than most of our team out there.
Nice to see the Vol bandwagon is crashing as hard as it started last week.
Arizona is going to beat UCLA tonight.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2016, 04:02:29 PM
Nice to see the Vol bandwagon is crashing as hard as it started last week.
In the end, it turned out the bandwagon is in good shape, it was just stepping on UGAs face with a hobnail boot and broke their nose. It just crushed their face.
Actually, though the outcome was suboptimal, it was great seeing Georgia's asshattish behavior after scoring their final TD turn around and bite them right in the ass.
So when Lewis made that amazing INT at the end of the game, and everyone was cheering, the camera on Harbaugh had him kind of looking like "What the fuck? Why didn't he just knock it down? You just gave them like, 40 yards!"
I don't know why he would be thinking something like that, of course.
What Harbaugh was thinking about.....
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Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 01, 2016, 11:54:01 AM
:lol: Val: "And people say extra points are boring"
Texas special teams are really really bad. Defense isn't any better.
I don't think I had ever been watching a live game with a blocked extra point run back for a 2 point conversion, and this year ND has done it twice, and Texas has had it done to them twice. Apparently ND has a remarkable skill, and Texas a remarkable ineptness, and it is probably only good fortune for Texas that ND didn't block and return lots more extra points. :P
Of course, ND is wasting this remarkable knack for extra point plays on an otherwise terrible team, while Texas is getting rid of some sort of curse on what looks to be a throwaway season.
Quote from: Berkut on October 01, 2016, 09:16:34 PM
So when Lewis made that amazing INT at the end of the game, and everyone was cheering, the camera on Harbaugh had him kind of looking like "What the fuck? Why didn't he just knock it down? You just gave them like, 40 yards!"
I don't know why he would be thinking something like that, of course.
It was the end of the game, so didn't really give anyone any yards. Lewis gets some highlight reel footage, and no one will remember that, objectively, it was a poor decision to hold on to the interception.
Well, it's good to see that even though I have fled the state, Wyoming is still consistent...and bad.
Quote from: PDH on October 01, 2016, 10:11:59 PM
Well, it's good to see that even though I have fled the state, Wyoming is still consistent...and bad.
I hope you didn't really check out on them. They kicked some Ram ass today.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 02, 2016, 02:30:58 AM
Quote from: PDH on October 01, 2016, 10:11:59 PM
Well, it's good to see that even though I have fled the state, Wyoming is still consistent...and bad.
I hope you didn't really check out on them. They kicked some Ram ass today.
Oh I saw :)
Comcast came through for me and though I was disheartened by being down 3-14, I saw the game from the second quarter on. 3 wins? In one season? Miracles do happen.
Stupid Georgia :bleeding:
Uniform War Crime of the Week: the Loiusville Christmas Ornaments.
Maybe this should be split into two threads. One for those who wish to discuss ncaa football in 2016, and another for those who wish to discuss ncaa football fashion in 2016.
Maybe you should go fuck yourself, you autistic fucking cossack.
Gotta side with Seedy on this one. Helmets did keep reminding me of Christmas ornaments.
Oh and to further hijack the thread-- my kid got to carry the ball for the first time yesterday and scored on a 2 point conversion :showoff:
Quote from: derspiess on October 02, 2016, 11:27:32 AM
my kid got to carry the ball for the first time yesterday and scored on a 2 point conversion :showoff:
He blocked and returned a Texas PAT? Cool.
Quote from: PDH on October 02, 2016, 11:48:31 AM
He blocked and returned a Texas PAT? Cool.
:lol:
:weep:
Quote from: alfred russel on October 02, 2016, 11:20:23 AM
Maybe this should be split into two threads. One for those who wish to discuss ncaa football in 2016, and another for those who wish to discuss ncaa football fashion in 2016.
Maybe those who don't think NCAA football is played in uniforms should start their own thread.
Quote from: Savonarola on September 03, 2016, 06:17:23 PM
Already shaping up to be another great season for the purple:
Northwestern: 21
Western Michigan University: 22
Fight Broncos Fight!
Broncos made 25 in the Coaches Poll (not ranked in the top 25 on the AP) after beating Central Michigan University this week. This is their first ever national ranking.
I sorta feel sorry for Rutgers. Ohio State rapes them in the ass and now Harbaugh is leering at them.
Nah, fuck Rutgers.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 01, 2016, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2016, 04:02:29 PM
Nice to see the Vol bandwagon is crashing as hard as it started last week.
In the end, it turned out the bandwagon is in good shape, it was just stepping on UGAs face with a hobnail boot and broke their nose. It just crushed their face.
If they don't start playing a full 60 minutes a game, it's gotta catch up with them sometime. Doesn't it?
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 02, 2016, 08:37:31 PM
Nah, fuck Rutgers.
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Quote from: Ed Anger on October 02, 2016, 08:37:31 PM
I sorta feel sorry for Rutgers. Ohio State rapes them in the ass and now Harbaugh is leering at them.
Nah, fuck Rutgers.
Rutgers made the worst possible choices of how to deal with camps in NJ this summer: they hurriedly scheduled their own camp the same day that Michigan was having its camp at Paramus, delivered threats to high school coaches who wouldd send their kids to the Michigan camp (which they'd already paid for), and then brought in Urban Meyer and company to take whatever Michigan left him.
I can see why Ash''s move from Thee OSU to Rutgers made perfect sense for everyone.
Quote from: dps on October 02, 2016, 08:44:37 PM
If they don't start playing a full 60 minutes a game, it's gotta catch up with them sometime. Doesn't it?
The next two games are against aTm and Alabama, so I'm guessing really soon.
But in the loss column they are up 1 game on Florida and 2 games on Georgia in the SEC East with the first tie break assured against both, so they are in really good shape. No on else in the SEC East has a pulse. I think just getting to the SEC title game would be seen as a successful season by Tennessee fans.
Huskies at #5. Best ranking since end of 2000 season when the beat Purdue Breesmakers in Rose Bowl.
Quote from: katmai on October 03, 2016, 12:43:28 AM
Huskies at #5. Best ranking since end of 2000 season when the beat Purdue Breesmakers in Rose Bowl.
What they did to Stanford was pretty impressive.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 02, 2016, 08:37:31 PM
I sorta feel sorry for Rutgers. Ohio State rapes them in the ass and now Harbaugh is leering at them.
Nah, fuck Rutgers.
I find myself thinking along the lines I did when Meyer was at Florida. Up 50-0 on the 20 with 4th and 1? Fuck it, let's go for it! :rolleyes:
Should have been putting in the third string and punting on second down by then. Maybe the voters will rank us better if we run up fifty points on Alkorn State!!! We can count on good old reliable Mark May.
Okay, yeah Rutgers is a conference game now, but come on. This is what lesser schools do to get noticed. Just take a knee and let the band play carmen already.
After barely beating BYU and K-State, WVU is ranked :D
Welp. Defense still sucks.
Suddenly Wyoming is taking it to Air Force.
Wow...
aaaaand Wyoming gives up a 75 yard TD on the next play after going up 28-6. Cowboys gotta be Cowboys.
Wyo wins 35-26. Not bad for a 10.5 point underdog.
Lesson to Rutgers: don't woof before the game. Really? -11 yards rushing and 4 yards passing? Stripe the Birthplace? Sounds like an OBGYN procedure.
Back from the IU- Ohio State game. I was rather bored of it but I got to lord over my wife's precious Hoosiers.
Note to Seedy: I didn't stop at the Sausage Haus. I had a massive headache and was feeling rather crappy.
Purdue is 1-1 in the Big Ten. No one expected that.
Huskies with 63 points against Oregon at the 14min mark of 4th qtr.
fuck!
Rutgers gets positive yardage (29 yards)
Did I say 63? Meant 70. :w00t:
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2016, 07:30:47 PM
Back from the IU- Ohio State game. I was rather bored of it but I got to lord over my wife's precious Hoosiers.
Note to Seedy: I didn't stop at the Sausage Haus. I had a massive headache and was feeling rather crappy.
A buddy of mine went to that game. He QB'ed for IU in the 90s. I texted him to congratulate him on his Hoosiers not allowing 40 points.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2016, 07:30:47 PM
Note to Seedy: I didn't stop at the Sausage Haus. I had a massive headache and was feeling rather crappy.
But it was on the way, and they have carry out. :( You must've been really bad off. :(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 08, 2016, 11:06:07 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 08, 2016, 07:30:47 PM
Note to Seedy: I didn't stop at the Sausage Haus. I had a massive headache and was feeling rather crappy.
But it was on the way, and they have carry out. :( You must've been really bad off. :(
Bad. I feel better today though. :)
Kudos to the Navy. Greatest upset since Midway.
I think Rich Rod is going to be getting a bit warm by the end of the year.
Arizona just looks terrible. The defense has improved a bit, but the offense looks lost.
Really, I think it all comes down to recruiting. You can scheme and scheme and scheme until the cows come home, but at the end of the day you have to line up the guys you recruited against the guys the other teams recruited. And Arizona consistently is in the bottom third of the conference in recruiting, year after year after year after year.
He has not managed to change that, and the occasional diamond or two from the rough might get the occasional outlier successful year, but sustained succeed in college sports is the result of sustained wins around the recruiting tables of the 4 and 5 star athletes. Without winning more than your share of them (or in Arizona's case, winning even your share of them to begin with), your results over time will track with your results recruiting.
Huh, RichRod sucking. Couldn't see that coming.
If I was to consider the results of Saturday rationally, I think I would have to kill myself.
Quote from: Berkut on October 09, 2016, 12:45:45 PM
I think Rich Rod is going to be getting a bit warm by the end of the year.
Arizona just looks terrible. The defense has improved a bit, but the offense looks lost.
Really, I think it all comes down to recruiting. You can scheme and scheme and scheme until the cows come home, but at the end of the day you have to line up the guys you recruited against the guys the other teams recruited. And Arizona consistently is in the bottom third of the conference in recruiting, year after year after year after year.
He has not managed to change that, and the occasional diamond or two from the rough might get the occasional outlier successful year, but sustained succeed in college sports is the result of sustained wins around the recruiting tables of the 4 and 5 star athletes. Without winning more than your share of them (or in Arizona's case, winning even your share of them to begin with), your results over time will track with your results recruiting.
Are you not entertained?
If Rich Rod was really a gladiator, he would be dead by now. If somehow he was still alive at this point, he would need to commit seppuku, in the gladiator tradition.
Quote from: Berkut on October 09, 2016, 12:45:45 PM
I think Rich Rod is going to be getting a bit warm by the end of the year.
Arizona just looks terrible. The defense has improved a bit, but the offense looks lost.
Really, I think it all comes down to recruiting. You can scheme and scheme and scheme until the cows come home, but at the end of the day you have to line up the guys you recruited against the guys the other teams recruited. And Arizona consistently is in the bottom third of the conference in recruiting, year after year after year after year.
He has not managed to change that, and the occasional diamond or two from the rough might get the occasional outlier successful year, but sustained succeed in college sports is the result of sustained wins around the recruiting tables of the 4 and 5 star athletes. Without winning more than your share of them (or in Arizona's case, winning even your share of them to begin with), your results over time will track with your results recruiting.
Spell his nickname correctly, please: it's "RichRo;" no D.
Best Rutgers fan quote I've seen
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Secondaries on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched fullbacks glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like our offense offense...in...rain. Time to punt."
Four weeks ago, for the first time in 26 seasons , I watched my boys quit before the clock ran out and long before the echo of the whistle. Who were these clowns? Where had our swagger gone?
I had entered the wasteland. I even considered Phlebas the Phoenician who was once tall and handsome as me. Perhaps our day had come and gone? All hope had left my soul.
With our shot at the national title gone and a shot at the acc title gone, I could barely get up in the morning. I debated whether to put all of my tvs up for sale on Craigslist and spend the proceeds on heroin to numb the pain.
Then with one blocked pat my season came back into focus. I will root for the canes to win out and finish fifth in the nation. All of my Jewish cousins from New Jersey partying in coral gables on dad's dime to earn their sociology degree after six hungover years and all of my gangsta thug brothers who so love the u (not understanding it's ostensibly a school) and my dear comrade dorsey4heisman could all feel the pain of knowing one blocked point after kept them from a shot at the title.
I now have something to fight for, a karmic mitzvah twenty five years in the making. O lord revenge surely is a dish best served cold.
Go canes.
Rasputin, there is zero chance Miami is being kept out of the national title by a blocked PAT. I was and still am excited about the team, but the team was 8-5 last year. The defense is starting 3 true freshman linebackers and the O Line isn't all that great in pass protection. The recruiting has been softish for a while.
If they win the ACC Coastal, I'll be thrilled, but fully expect a raping by either Clemson or Louisville should that come to pass.
Quote from: Rasputin on October 10, 2016, 10:23:21 PM
Four weeks ago, for the first time in 26 seasons , I watched my boys quit before the clock ran out and long before the echo of the whistle. Who were these clowns? Where had our swagger gone?
I had entered the wasteland. I even considered Phlebas the Phoenician who was once tall and handsome as me. Perhaps our day had come and gone? All hope had left my soul.
With our shot at the national title gone and a shot at the acc title gone, I could barely get up in the morning. I debated whether to put all of my tvs up for sale on Craigslist and spend the proceeds on heroin to numb the pain.
Then with one blocked pat my season came back into focus. I will root for the canes to win out and finish fifth in the nation. All of my Jewish cousins from New Jersey partying in coral gables on dad's dime to earn their sociology degree after six hungover years and all of my gangsta thug brothers who so love the u (not understanding it's ostensibly a school) and my dear comrade dorsey4heisman could all feel the pain of knowing one blocked point after kept them from a shot at the title.
I now have something to fight for, a karmic mitzvah twenty five years in the making. O lord revenge surely is a dish best served cold.
Go canes.
Good to see you! :)
Sorry it is on such terms.
Thanks grumbler. Likewise. Glad to see Michigan doing well.
At Dorsey, I will dream big because seven in a row does not taste as sweet as spoiler.
If Ohio State loses, I knew they weren't playoff material. If they win, ignore my first sentence.
I do know they stink right now.
This game sucks. Time to take a pain killer and sleep it off.
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Great win for Ohio State. Game of the year so far.
Watched the second half this morning. I came.
So now we are back to the 4-5 year Notre Dame tradition of "ignore the second half the season to speculate on who the next coach should be". Congratulations to Brian Kelly for extending his run to 7 years, delaying the tradition by 2-3 years. It has been several coaching regimes since an ND coach had similar success, and it will likely be several more before this tenure is exceeded. In time the Kelly era will be remembered as the glory days, and a statue to Brian Kelly will be put in front of the stadium (though on windy days it will be used to stabilize practice field video towers).
It all comes down to Regis Philbin. What does he think about Kelly?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2016, 01:50:45 PM
It all comes down to Regis Philbin. What does he think about Kelly?
I don't know about Regis, but it seems the players want Les Miles.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2016/10/16/notre-dame-player-likes-tweets-suggesting-les-miles-should-replace-brian-kelly/92202350/
Here's a guy who is earning his salary: Michigan first-year defensive backs coach Brian Smith.
Michigan's passing defense leads in most categories (second in a few), but the stat that struck me was that the QBR when targeting CB Channing Stribling: a mere 9.6 (the 100th best QB has a rating of 48). Targeting his stablemate Jourdan Lewis? 0.0
The only thing his defense doesn't do superlatively is get interceptions. Even being superb there wouldn't be enough to get to the top of the pack, though; Florida has intercepted an amazing 10 of 140 passes thrown against them.
I love this defense. Go Blue!
I think Arizona is going to go after Harbaugh once they fire Rich Rod. I heard he wants to get back to the Pac-12.
Quote from: Berkut on October 18, 2016, 06:40:00 PM
I think Arizona is going to go after Harbaugh once they fire Rich Rod. I heard he wants to get back to the Pac-12.
The guy they should be targeting is Michigan's Doc Brown as DC. The guy is Harbaugh, only on defense and without the ambition to be a head coach. His mantra is "aggression solves all problems." Last year his defense at BC..
BC!... led all defenses. This year, with talent, his defenses have allowed opponents into the red zone six times in 6 games. Opponents have converted ten total third downs in six games (12% of opportunities). That's against the fifth-hardest schedule to date.
I think RichRod can create the offense he needs there. I think firing him would be a huge mistake. Doc Brown is probably too happy where he is to lend a hand on defense, though.
I think Arizona should go after Brian Kelly. He seems to fit what they are looking for. Offensive minded coach. Former successful Big East coach, coming off a failed stint at a big time midwestern program.
What could go wrong?
Quote from: grumbler on October 18, 2016, 07:22:23 PM
Last year his defense at BC.. BC!... led all defenses.
Last year's BC defense was one of the best ever; when you consider the way offenses operate nowadays, maybe the best ever. Too bad they didn't have an offense thensevles.
Quote from: grumbler on October 18, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
Here's a guy who is earning his salary: Michigan first-year defensive backs coach Brian Smith.
Michigan's passing defense leads in most categories (second in a few), but the stat that struck me was that the QBR when targeting CB Channing Stribling: a mere 9.6 (the 100th best QB has a rating of 48). Targeting his stablemate Jourdan Lewis? 0.0
The only thing his defense doesn't do superlatively is get interceptions. Even being superb there wouldn't be enough to get to the top of the pack, though; Florida has intercepted an amazing 10 of 140 passes thrown against them.
I love this defense. Go Blue!
pardon the ignorance, but where does one find such stats. Curious as how UDub's secondary fares.
I hope Wyoming can win a road game. The end.
Man. Teams are making Oregon eat shit as payback for the last few years.
Quote from: katmai on October 21, 2016, 08:11:07 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 18, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
Here's a guy who is earning his salary: Michigan first-year defensive backs coach Brian Smith.
Michigan's passing defense leads in most categories (second in a few), but the stat that struck me was that the QBR when targeting CB Channing Stribling: a mere 9.6 (the 100th best QB has a rating of 48). Targeting his stablemate Jourdan Lewis? 0.0
The only thing his defense doesn't do superlatively is get interceptions. Even being superb there wouldn't be enough to get to the top of the pack, though; Florida has intercepted an amazing 10 of 140 passes thrown against them.
I love this defense. Go Blue!
pardon the ignorance, but where does one find such stats. Curious as how UDub's secondary fares.
The individual syays come from https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football/ (https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football/), specifically the article
https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football-ohio-state-vs-michigan-how-wolverines-hold-edge/ (https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football-ohio-state-vs-michigan-how-wolverines-hold-edge/)
The team stats come from http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs (http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs)
It was nice knowing Charlie Strong.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2016, 02:52:21 PM
It was nice knowing Charlie Strong.
I like Charlie Strong, so long as he isn't my team's coach. Reminds me a lot of Brady Hoke from a personal standpoint, but a lot more intellectual. He'll do well somewhere, but not at Texas.
Quote from: grumbler on October 22, 2016, 06:59:44 AM
The individual syays come from https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football/ (https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football/), specifically the article
https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football-ohio-state-vs-michigan-how-wolverines-hold-edge/ (https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football-ohio-state-vs-michigan-how-wolverines-hold-edge/)
The team stats come from http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs (http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs)
Ah thanks, that was same place that had this
1. Sidney Jones, Washington
2016 coverage stats: Thrown at nine times, four receptions, 20 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT,
zero passes defensed, 12.0 QB rating when targeted.
Quote from: grumbler on October 22, 2016, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 22, 2016, 02:52:21 PM
It was nice knowing Charlie Strong.
I like Charlie Strong, so long as he isn't my team's coach. Reminds me a lot of Brady Hoke from a personal standpoint, but a lot more intellectual. He'll do well somewhere, but not at Texas.
I'm just thinking in terms of fairness here.
Charlie Strong puts out a shitty team in his third year that is going to go 500ish, so he gets fired.
Brian Kelly puts out a shittier team in his seventh year that gets beat by that Charlie Strong team and he dreams of going 500ish at this point, so he...???
Quote from: katmai on October 22, 2016, 04:12:35 PM
Ah thanks, that was same place that had this
1. Sidney Jones, Washington
2016 coverage stats: Thrown at nine times, four receptions, 20 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT,
zero passes defensed, 12.0 QB rating when targeted.
Yeah, unless you have a subscription, that site is only okay. MGoBlog.com has a partnership with PFF, so i see a lot of Michigan-related stuff, but not a lot of anything else.
Fact: (not PFF): SP+ predicts that the average P5 team would score 0.9 points against Michigan's defense.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 22, 2016, 04:27:04 PM
I'm just thinking in terms of fairness here.
Charlie Strong puts out a shitty team in his third year that is going to go 500ish, so he gets fired.
Brian Kelly puts out a shittier team in his seventh year that gets beat by that Charlie Strong team and he dreams of going 500ish at this point, so he...???
Charlie's Texas teams have won 14 games
total. The Domers won 10 last year.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 22, 2016, 05:42:24 PM
Charlie's Texas teams have won 14 games total. The Domers won 10 last year.
I know. :P I'm not even on the "fire brian kelly bandwagon" at this point. As putrid as this season has been, he has had some good seasons and I'm not opposed to giving the guy a mulligan.
It is still really early in the season to say this, but I'm really thankful we have a playoff system this year. Alabama is Alabama, I don't know if anyone will stop Clemson in the regular season and they have a ton of talent, Ohio State and Michigan both look outstanding, and Washington also seems to be dominant. If 3 of those teams end up unbeaten, someone really deserving would be left out. (and of course there are other unbeaten teams floating out there too, but I have a bit less faith in say Nebraska or West Virginia)
Quote from: PDH on October 21, 2016, 09:53:23 PM
I hope Wyoming can win a road game. The end.
Watching the and pulling for you, brah. So far, so good.
Seriously, one of the high points of my Saturday is watching the late west coast-ish games. Wife and kids are in bed, having my last beer of the night; just me and college football.
:nelson: at Buckeyes
Losing to Pedo State? :weep:
brutus should have known. it was raining during the game, and we all know those guys do their raping in showers.
Wyoming - Nevada is still on (ESPN2) for some late night football. Cowboys up 35 - 27 with 13 left.
This is what Wyoming is aiming for. Being able to finish out games.
That was a nice drive.
I was sure it was a typo when I first saw it, but it happened: Patrick Mahomes of Texas Tech really threw 52/88 passes for 734 yards. And ran 12 times for another 85 yards. One person. 100 plays. 819 yards.
And his team lost.
Quote from: grumbler on October 23, 2016, 05:52:36 AM
I was sure it was a typo when I first saw it, but it happened: Patrick Mahomes of Texas Tech really threw 52/88 passes for 734 yards. And ran 12 times for another 85 yards. One person. 100 plays. 819 yards.
And his team lost.
College football is broken. Or maybe just the Oklahoma and Texas Tech defenses. But something is broken.
Wyoming got a point in the latest coaches poll. That must be in honor of of the fact they play Boise State this week in Laramie.
WVU is in the top 10 :w00t: for now. Holgorsen will find a way to lose 4 of the last 6 games and they'll end up unranked at 8-4 and go to a bowl with a weird name but halfway decent payout.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2016, 08:38:14 AM
WVU is in the top 10 :w00t: for now. Holgorsen will find a way to lose 4 of the last 6 games and they'll end up unranked at 8-4 and go to a bowl with a weird name but halfway decent payout.
WVU held the most unstoppable offensive juggernaut of all time to 17 points. Or at least one that was unstoppable when playing against Oklahoma.
The funny part is that despite Mahomes' ridiculous game Tech only lead once, by one point, for twenty whole seconds before their defense blew the lead.
Bill Connolly's latest S&P+ numbers for defenses (points an average team could be expected to score against this defense) Top FIve:
Quote5. Wisconsin (12.4 Adj. PPG)
4. Alabama (11.9)
3. Florida (11.3)
2. Clemson (11.0)
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1. Michigan (0.8)
That's not a typo, and those numbers are opponent-adjusted and exclude garbage time.
Edit: The difference between #1 Michigan and #2 Clemson are greater than the difference between #2 Clemson and #19 Temple.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/25/13401526/michigan-defense-2016-stats-jabrill-peppers-don-brown-jim-harbaugh?utm_campaign=sbn_billc&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/25/13401526/michigan-defense-2016-stats-jabrill-peppers-don-brown-jim-harbaugh?utm_campaign=sbn_billc&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter)
Have they faced the mighty Patrick Mahomes? If not it doesn't count.
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2016, 02:36:40 PM
Have they faced the mighty Patrick Mahomes? If not it doesn't count.
Texas certainly wasn't facing him. Facing away from him, I could believe. :P
Quote from: grumbler on October 25, 2016, 02:39:33 PM
Texas certainly wasn't facing him. Facing away from him, I could believe. :P
True. They don't face him until November 5th. And I have a feeling they will be glancing at him as he runs by their gap exposing inept pass rush.
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Yakkety sax and all that.
Quote from: grumbler on October 25, 2016, 02:35:14 PM
Bill Connolly's latest S&P+ numbers for defenses (points an average team could be expected to score against this defense) Top FIve:
Quote5. Wisconsin (12.4 Adj. PPG)
4. Alabama (11.9)
3. Florida (11.3)
2. Clemson (11.0)
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1. Michigan (0.8)
That's not a typo, and those numbers are opponent-adjusted and exclude garbage time.
Edit: The difference between #1 Michigan and #2 Clemson are greater than the difference between #2 Clemson and #19 Temple.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/25/13401526/michigan-defense-2016-stats-jabrill-peppers-don-brown-jim-harbaugh?utm_campaign=sbn_billc&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/25/13401526/michigan-defense-2016-stats-jabrill-peppers-don-brown-jim-harbaugh?utm_campaign=sbn_billc&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter)
But they have played 5 Power 5 teams and given up:
28 points
10 points
7 points
0 points
8 points
I think the S&P+ ratings are fucked up.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2016, 02:48:20 PM
But they have played 5 Power 5 teams and given up:
28 points
10 points
7 points
0 points
8 points
I think the S&P+ ratings are fucked up.
They played 5 Power 5 teams and gave up, in non-garbage-time scores:
28
0
7
0
0
Plus two games against non-P5 schools that both rank above the median among college football teams.
I think your understanding of S&P+ ratings is fucked up.
I don't think so. Giving up 35 is way more than a point per game on average. Next week Michigan plays sparty, a below average P5 team. The line is ~24, with an over under of 54. That implies an expected score of about Michigan 39, Sparty 15.
It seems either Vegas is missing something, or S&P+ ratings are, because they are out of alignment.
What constitutes "garbage" time? :unsure:
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2016, 05:06:47 PM
What constitutes "garbage" time? :unsure:
Any just definition should include any point in the game that the Notre Dame defense is on the field, which I guess means ND should be at 0.0 ppg.
I was about to say 'when Texas is defending 3rd down' but that works to :lol:
Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2016, 02:48:20 PM
But they have played 5 Power 5 teams and given up:
28 points
10 points
7 points
0 points
8 points
I think the S&P+ ratings are fucked up.
I think that they also look at how many points a team's opponents scored in their other games, but I don't know their exact methodology.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2016, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2016, 05:06:47 PM
What constitutes "garbage" time? :unsure:
Any just definition should include any point in the game that the Notre Dame defense is on the field, which I guess means ND should be at 0.0 ppg.
I was just curious as UDub vs it's P5 opponents have been up by avg 27-4 by halftime and playing 2nd and 3rd string by middle of 3rd quarter in each game besides the Arizona game.
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2016, 05:06:47 PM
What constitutes "garbage" time? :unsure:
Second half when the score is more than two touchdowns in the winning team's favor, and never gets closer. By garbage time the team in the lead is playing second and third string players and so the game no longer indicates the true strength of the two teams.
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2016, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2016, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2016, 05:06:47 PM
What constitutes "garbage" time? :unsure:
Any just definition should include any point in the game that the Notre Dame defense is on the field, which I guess means ND should be at 0.0 ppg.
I was just curious as UDub vs it's P5 opponents have been up by avg 27-4 by halftime and playing 2nd and 3rd string by middle of 3rd quarter in each game besides the Arizona game.
The second half of almost all those games are garbage time and aren't tracked by the advanced stats.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2016, 04:01:31 PM
I don't think so. Giving up 35 is way more than a point per game on average. Next week Michigan plays sparty, a below average P5 team. The line is ~24, with an over under of 54. That implies an expected score of about Michigan 39, Sparty 15.
It seems either Vegas is missing something, or S&P+ ratings are, because they are out of alignment.
Vegas isn't predicting scores, they are predicting what lines will make betters lay even bets on both sides. They are predicting the actions of betters, not football players.
Quote from: grumbler on October 25, 2016, 10:25:21 PM
Vegas isn't predicting scores, they are predicting what lines will make betters lay even bets on both sides. They are predicting the actions of betters, not football players.
Which ultimately comes back to predicting the most likely outcome (as deep pocketed professional gamblers will put money on a line that doesn't represent the expected outcome).
It seems that if you don't believe that and you really believe the S&P+ ratings, you have something of an (admittedly weak) arbitrage opportunity. Bet on Michigan and take the under. Sparty isn't going to be able to score the points implied by the line and o/u, so Michigan will cover unless the game is very low scoring.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
Which ultimately comes back to predicting the most likely outcome (as deep pocketed professional gamblers will put money on a line that doesn't represent the expected outcome).
The line changes over time. This isn't because the expected outcome changes over time, but because the oddsmakers re-calibrate what they believe is the necessary line to keep equal money on both sides of the line. Generally, the "smart money" bets late.
QuoteIt seems that if you don't believe that and you really believe the S&P+ ratings, you have something of an (admittedly weak) arbitrage opportunity. Bet on Michigan and take the under. Sparty isn't going to be able to score the points implied by the line and o/u, so Michigan will cover unless the game is very low scoring.
If, indeed, I thought Michigan was going to keep the first string in for the whole game, this would be an argument. However, the game will almost certainly enter garbage time, so the S&P+ predictions will no longer apply. I think Michigan will cover and Sparty score late. 45-7 is my prediction.
I think all this argument about what the numbers really mean is missing the point.
That defense is ridiculously good. Not "Hey we have the best defense this year" good. But "Maybe one of the best all time defenses" good.
Those numbers are simply insane.
Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2016, 08:16:06 AM
I think all this argument about what the numbers really mean is missing the point.
That defense is ridiculously good. Not "Hey we have the best defense this year" good. But "Maybe one of the best all time defenses" good.
Those numbers are simply insane.
The real surprise to me this year has been the play of the linebackers. Both are upper class men who have been stuck behind two quite ordinary LBs the last two years, so not much improvement was expected, and the coaches just hoped that the line could cover for the linebackers. Instead, this year the LBs have been fantastic. They have a new coach (since the DC left for MD and he was also the LB coach), so maybe that is it.
So I'd argue the defense is lucky (in that the pieces fell together far better than expected) as well as talented.
I have a hard time believing that good defense is still played anymore.
Quote from: grumbler on October 26, 2016, 05:28:56 AM
The line changes over time. This isn't because the expected outcome changes over time, but because the oddsmakers re-calibrate what they believe is the necessary line to keep equal money on both sides of the line. Generally, the "smart money" bets late.
Yep. The oddsmakers aren't perfect predictors of what the "market" rate is, and so have to calibrate.
In business school, sports betting lines are taught as classic examples of market rates being more highly predictive than individual "experts".
Quote from: alfred russel on October 26, 2016, 10:16:47 AM
Yep. The oddsmakers aren't perfect predictors of what the "market" rate is, and so have to calibrate.
In business school, sports betting lines are taught as classic examples of market rates being more highly predictive than individual "experts".
Indeed. It is the attempt to ensure that teams cover 50% of the time that they are interested in, though. If you go to https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/odds-history/results/ (https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/odds-history/results/) you can find the accuracy of predictions based on point spread for all games since 2003. Small point spreads (1, 1.5, 2) aren't highly predictive, as one would expect, but a three point spread is predictive almost 60% of the time, and it gets better after that. What is interesting, though, is how close the oddsmakers stay to the 50% coverage goal, even as lines get larger, until sample size starts to break down the comparisons.
I especially like the fact that the most accurate odds are "pick 'em." Of the 122 teams in that database given that line, 61 won and 61 lost. Vegas is most accurate when it has the least decisive data.
Quote from: grumbler on October 26, 2016, 11:51:41 AM
Indeed. It is the attempt to ensure that teams cover 50% of the time that they are interested in, though.
Which is really saying the same thing if you believe that markets are (to at least a limited degree) efficient.
Quote
If you go to https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/odds-history/results/ (https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/odds-history/results/) you can find the accuracy of predictions based on point spread for all games since 2003. Small point spreads (1, 1.5, 2) aren't highly predictive, as one would expect, but a three point spread is predictive almost 60% of the time, and it gets better after that. What is interesting, though, is how close the oddsmakers stay to the 50% coverage goal, even as lines get larger, until sample size starts to break down the comparisons.
I especially like the fact that the most accurate odds are "pick 'em." Of the 122 teams in that database given that line, 61 won and 61 lost. Vegas is most accurate when it has the least decisive data.
Games are full of random chance and uncertainty. An underdog winning against vs. a small points spread is not evidence that the spread was wrong or that the line was not predictive.
What is needed is an external source (an "expert" or a algorithm) that either picks spreads or winners independently of the line, and then the results compared against the betting line results. My understanding is that when this has been done, experts and algorithms haven't been able to beat the line to a statistically significant degree.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 26, 2016, 12:03:12 PM
Games are full of random chance and uncertainty. An underdog winning against vs. a small points spread is not evidence that the spread was wrong or that the line was not predictive.
What is needed is an external source (an "expert" or a algorithm) that either picks spreads or winners independently of the line, and then the results compared against the betting line results. My understanding is that when this has been done, experts and algorithms haven't been able to beat the line to a statistically significant degree.
Did you even read what I wrote? :huh: Your response is simply repeating what I said using different words.
Maybe he simply wanted to let you know he agreed and understood you.
I don't know what is going on.
I just know it sucks, like this football season.
http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/listen-ohio-state-fan-and-radio-caller-goes-bonkers-over-penn-state-loss.html
Soak in the awesome.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 26, 2016, 09:17:44 PM
http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/listen-ohio-state-fan-and-radio-caller-goes-bonkers-over-penn-state-loss.html
Soak in the awesome.
I love the way it was all "we" when talking about the good things the team did, and "you" when talking about the bad.
In short, I love the way he was the typical fan.
Maryland at Indiana
I hope your wife gets a yeast infection, Ed.
After six minutes of play: Baylor and Texas are tied 14-14. Another day in the Big 12
Whew.
I thought Miami was good this year, wth Dorsey?
:nelson: @ Big XII
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2016, 03:04:55 PM
Maryland at Indiana
I hope your wife gets a yeast infection, Ed.
:lol:
Quote from: katmai on October 29, 2016, 06:48:22 PM
:nelson: @ Big XII
So Texas knocks the conference out of the playoff. Congrats Valmy. :alberta:
Boise State Fucking Morons at Wyoming - 3rd quarter Wyoming hanging in down four 21-17.
I am calling moral victory now.
Quote from: PDH on October 29, 2016, 08:23:59 PM
Boise State Fucking Morons
That must make for an interesting mascot.
28-28 with 6:42 to go in the 4th.
OMG Wyoming safety, Wyo leads 30-28.
Wyoming beats the 13th ranked Boise State Gawdforsaken Smurfs 30-28. That was a long time coming.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on October 29, 2016, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 29, 2016, 06:48:22 PM
:nelson: @ Big XII
So Texas knocks the conference out of the playoff. Congrats Valmy. :alberta:
Baylor's six wins were all jokes. They were a shit team. It was Okie State that really ended the Big 12 play off hopes.
Quote from: PDH on October 29, 2016, 09:33:25 PM
Wyoming beats the 13th ranked Boise State Gawdforsaken Smurfs 30-28. That was a long time coming.
And the Cowboys are bowl-eligible already, too. Congrats.
Damn, 12 hours later and the shine hasn't worn off :)
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Safety Dance
Quote from: katmai on October 29, 2016, 06:09:17 PM
I thought Miami was good this year, wth Dorsey?
Miami started 4-0 but played no one. Go back to my posts after the FSU game. The team is mediocre.
Also, while ND is not a good team this year by any stretch, they are talented and probably were the best 2-5 team in the country.
Two mediocre teams played, and the home team won by 3. I spent the weekend off the grid hiking/camping, so I have no idea what actually happened.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 30, 2016, 05:29:46 PM
I spent the weekend off the grid hiking/camping, so I have no idea what actually happened.
I'm pretty much ignoring the entire season. <_<
Quote from: PDH on October 30, 2016, 01:44:00 PM
Safety Dance
Wyoming doesnt suck. :huh: :alberta: :ccr
First playoff poll out:
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Michigan
4. aTm
5. Washington
LOL, the committee trolls katmai. If all those teams win out (they won't), if the Huskies lose out that will be really surprising and really stupid.
Nobody is really in front of A&M besides LSU. Granted LSU kind of has their number.
Quote from: Valmy on November 01, 2016, 09:21:51 PM
Nobody is really in front of A&M besides LSU. Granted LSU kind of has their number.
What I really take it to mean is that the first team that doesn't control its own destiny, is aTm, and the second is Louisville.
From the comments from the committee, winning out plus winning a conference seems sure to catapult Washington and Ohio State ahead of aTm. Louisville will have to have aTm lose to get ahead of them.
Autocorrect? :unsure:
But surely if Ohio State wins out then Michigan is out right?
Quote from: Valmy on November 01, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
But surely if Ohio State wins out then Michigan is out right?
In the event of everyone else winning out, I think so, and I think that was probably part of the message of putting clemson ahead of Michigan.
But, my guess is that if Ohio State wins out, and Michigan only loses to Ohio State, then both will be in, because generally there are upsets.
Quote from: alfred russel on November 01, 2016, 08:40:06 PM
First playoff poll out:
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Michigan
4. aTm
5. Washington
LOL, the committee trolls katmai. If all those teams win out (they won't), if the Huskies lose out that will be really surprising and really stupid.
I wasn't happy when Sark and the AD moved to the A/B/C tier of non conference scheduling because of silly shit like this.
UW gets dinged by "down" year in Pac-12 because if they the committee wants to tell me Texas A&M non con vs UW is any better....
I must admit that watching Michigan is a lot more fun this year than two years ago, or even a year ago. This a well-coached team, with a quarterback that is unflappable, a historically-great defense, and skill position players that can make big plays when they need to.
Plus, Washington advances with the A&M loss. I'd love to see a Washington-Michigan championship game. That's a matchup with some history.
Oh, and the original formations. Here is Michigan "huddling" against Illinois:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvZYA4cVMAAXkmM.jpg)
When they broke and went to the line, they had a QB, 5 linemen, and 5 tight ends! Touchdown. Illinois didn't know who to defend.
This is the first game I have seen Harbaugh coming close to running up the score. Why is the first string still in, up 38-0?
Cause Harbaugh is a grade A asshole?
Quote from: katmai on November 05, 2016, 05:43:37 PM
Cause Harbaugh is a grade A asshole?
That's the popular narrative. Thanks for buying into it. It just makes it easier to disdain the ignorati.
He was at Stanford, the 49ers and now at Michigan. Don't get butt hurt grumbles.
Quote from: katmai on November 05, 2016, 05:55:15 PM
He was at Stanford, the 49ers and now at Michigan. Don't get butt hurt grumbles.
:lol: Okay, butthurt katmai. Winner = grade A asshole, of course, means that Chris Petersen is now a grade A asshole, too. I can live with the term "grade A asshole" being made meaningless by the ignorati.
:huh: I love Harbaugh, sorry Niners didn't keep him. But he is an asshole. But please keep showing your ignorance if you must.
Hey Navy beat the Domers. :)
Also: :punk: An ultra rare road W for the Horns.
Just saw final of Wazzu v Wildcats. Ouch Berkie.
Quote from: katmai on November 05, 2016, 06:09:03 PM
:huh: I love Harbaugh, sorry Niners didn't keep him. But he is an asshole. But please keep showing your ignorance if you must.
Okay, he's an "asshole." But, since everyone is an asshole by that standard of just being called an asshole by someone else, so what? Your ignorance of Harbaugh's character is showing badly here, especially since you don't even attempt to provide any evidence that would distinguish him from anyone else on the planet.
He is definitely a bit of an asshole.
And yeah, Arizona. They are terrible.
HARBAUGH EATS BOOGERS
Quote from: Berkut on November 05, 2016, 08:58:37 PM
He is definitely a bit of an asshole.
All coaches are a bit of an asshole. So are all refs, and all players. It goes with competition and with rules enforcement. The only real asshole thing I can think of from Harbaugh was going for 2 against USC up by 27 with 6 minutes to go in 2009. The card would say go for 1, and there didn't seem to be any extraneous factors (like there were in the Rutgers games when Michigan went for two).
Quote from: Berkut on November 05, 2016, 08:58:37 PM
He is definitely a bit of an asshole.
And yeah, Arizona. They are terrible.
How are they faring on recruiting? At least the Sun Devils are just as bad???
Ugh, because of scheduling forced to flip back and forth the Bama-LSU and Huskies-Cal game.
Quote from: katmai on November 05, 2016, 09:22:19 PM
Ugh, because of scheduling forced to flip back and forth the Bama-LSU and Huskies-Cal game.
Don't you want to watch a nut rape corn? :mad:
Alright Urban, that'll do.
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Wyoming up 35-7 at halftime. Am I allowed to feel good?
Of course I am not. 35-21 midway through the 3rd Quarter.
Ok 52-28 with 3 minutes left. Wyo should win this and have more wins than coach Bohl had in his 1st two seasons. PDH feels ok.
Quote from: grumbler on November 05, 2016, 09:09:14 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 05, 2016, 08:58:37 PM
He is definitely a bit of an asshole.
All coaches are a bit of an asshole. So are all refs, and all players. It goes with competition and with rules enforcement. The only real asshole thing I can think of from Harbaugh was going for 2 against USC up by 27 with 6 minutes to go in 2009. The card would say go for 1, and there didn't seem to be any extraneous factors (like there were in the Rutgers games when Michigan went for two).
He's definitely a high-intensity type coach, and those guys have a tendency to wear out their welcome. That certainly seemed to be what happened in SF, though I have no idea what really went on there. Don't know that being high-intensity by itself makes someone an asshole, though.
Quote from: dps on November 06, 2016, 09:41:03 AM
He's definitely a high-intensity type coach, and those guys have a tendency to wear out their welcome. That certainly seemed to be what happened in SF, though I have no idea what really went on there. Don't know that being high-intensity by itself makes someone an asshole, though.
I agree that he is high-intensity, and that he is probably too gung-ho for the pros. I don't think it was his intensity that cause the SF owners to cool on him, so much as the sharp disagreements about what kind of players to recruit and who to retain at what cost.
I don't think the "wears out his welcome" narrative has any real basis, either. Every team he has left, bar the 49ers, was anxious to keep him.
Huzzah to Navy. Hell of a game.
Wyoming 7-2 with three games left. How does that feel to a long time (since 1984 at least) fan? Sweeeet.
You fans of teams that win all the time need to try out the misery of a fan of an awful team that climbs to mediocrity every now and then (only to inevitably fall back to the dumps again).
I don't wanna. I like being spoiled. :)
Jim Harbaugh's teams keep doing the most ruthless stuff late in blowout wins (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/24/13373398/jim-harbaugh-michigan-no-mercy)
Personally, I always preferred the contemplative introspection of Steve Spurrier.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2016, 09:26:42 PM
Jim Harbaugh's teams keep doing the most ruthless stuff late in blowout wins (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/24/13373398/jim-harbaugh-michigan-no-mercy)
Personally, I always preferred the contemplative introspection of Steve Spurrier.
Personally, I love lazy journalism like this. There's no attempt to show the other side of this, just the lazy assumption that Harbaugh wants to run up the score, and then selecting evidence that supports the assumption, and then shitting out an "article." People who pay attention can tell how shit these articles are.
Harbaugh calls for a fake punt in the fourth quarter because his third-string players have never run one in a game before, and the experience will be valuable even if it fails. He challenged the spot because a first down means he can kneel for three plays and nobody risks injury running another play (he got the first on the next play, and then went to victory formation and knelt out the last two plays - he could have had the team score, but didn't. That doesn't fit the narrative, so the writer doesn't mention it).
It doesn't matter, of course. Harbaugh just wins. Its unfortunate that he gets press like this, but he doesn't himself care. He didn't care about what the press said when he was a player, and he doesn't care as a coach. It does make his press conferences fun. Not Mike Leach fun, because he doesn't have Leach's sense of humor, but still fun.
Yeah, bit of an asshole.
He doesn't care that he is a bit of an asshole, but that is part of being a bit of an asshole.
Can we have him when you guys are done with him?
Quote from: Berkut on November 06, 2016, 10:04:13 PM
Yeah, bit of an asshole.
He doesn't care that he is a bit of an asshole, but that is part of being a bit of an asshole.
Can we have him when you guys are done with him?
Are you not entertained? :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRbhoR6eIM0
I thought you guys may have had enough with recycling Michigan coaches.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2016, 09:26:42 PM
Jim Harbaugh's teams keep doing the most ruthless stuff late in blowout wins (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/24/13373398/jim-harbaugh-michigan-no-mercy)
Personally, I always preferred the contemplative introspection of Steve Spurrier.
Cool. At least College Football still has interesting personalities even if they are all coaches.
Quote from: PDH on November 06, 2016, 09:13:08 PM
Wyoming 7-2 with three games left. How does that feel to a long time (since 1984 at least) fan? Sweeeet.
You fans of teams that win all the time need to try out the misery of a fan of an awful team that climbs to mediocrity every now and then (only to inevitably fall back to the dumps again).
Must suck you are no longer there to enjoy it.
Most of my angst in this department is usually provided by my pro teams...though lately they have been doing really well.
Quote from: Valmy on November 06, 2016, 10:49:42 PM
Must suck you are no longer there to enjoy it.
Given that I lost all my teaching money I would be watching on ESPN like the rest anyway. Even Wyomingites can't afford Wyoming.
Well.....the defense seems better....
Look at that, beating up the punter like that. Harbaugh thugs.
2, 3, and 4 all lost.
I suspect they will all stay in the top 5, except perhaps Washington who might fall to 6.
Most interesting angle from my point of view: Ohio State no longer controls its own destiny in the Big 10. Even if they beat Michigan, if Penn State can beat Rutgers and Michigan State, then Penn State will be division champs.
Why is that interesting? Penn State beat Ohio State.
Quote from: Valmy on November 13, 2016, 12:11:38 AM
Why is that interesting? Penn State beat Ohio State.
Because Penn State isn't a good football team, and imo Ohio State and Michigan are.
If Penn St can go 7-1 in their division, they must be a pretty good team.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on November 13, 2016, 12:26:12 AM
If Penn St can go 7-1 in their division, they must be a pretty good team.
Or their division really sucks.
Texas lost at home while forcing four turnovers. Credit to that WV defense, that is no small achievement against anybody.
Another black eye for Strong. He really needs to beat TCU I think.
Quote from: Valmy on November 13, 2016, 12:26:43 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on November 13, 2016, 12:26:12 AM
If Penn St can go 7-1 in their division, they must be a pretty good team.
Or their division really sucks.
Their division really sucks, except for Ohio State and Michigan. The best team besides those three is Indiana, who they almost lost to today. They lost to Michigan by 39.
They did beat Ohio State. I watched that game. I really think if they played that game 10 times Ohio State would be 9-1.
Quote from: Valmy on November 13, 2016, 12:27:42 AM
Texas lost at home while forcing four turnovers. Credit to that WV defense, that is no small achievement against anybody.
Another black eye for Strong. He really needs to beat TCU I think.
If he wins out, not even necessarily including a bowl game depending on who they play and how it goes, I want Charlie to stay. The defense has legitimately improved since he took over for Vance and it really seems like they're getting set up for something good. They still make dumbass newguy mistakes every once in a while (turn your head around and look for the ball Boyd, c'mon), but they can actually nut up and make stops when they need to now.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 13, 2016, 01:18:44 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 13, 2016, 12:27:42 AM
Texas lost at home while forcing four turnovers. Credit to that WV defense, that is no small achievement against anybody.
Another black eye for Strong. He really needs to beat TCU I think.
If he wins out, not even necessarily including a bowl game depending on who they play and how it goes, I want Charlie to stay. The defense has legitimately improved since he took over for Vance and it really seems like they're getting set up for something good. They still make dumbass newguy mistakes every once in a while (turn your head around and look for the ball Boyd, c'mon), but they can actually nut up and make stops when they need to now.
I think that even if they let Strong go, they should probably give consideration to keeping the offensive staff. I think Buechele is a legit talent, and switching offensive systems and coaches might disrupt his development. OTOH, maybe he needs someone new to help him progress. Tough call, but I think I'd opt for stability unless there's good evidence that the current staff can't properly develop a QB, and I don't see that evidence.
And Texas is almost certainly going to become bowl-eligible, given that they need 1 more win and play Kansas next.
I think an interesting question is what will the playoff rankings look like next week?
My prediction:
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Michigan
4. Clemson
5. Washington
6 Louisville
Quote from: alfred russel on November 13, 2016, 09:33:40 AM
I think an interesting question is what will the playoff rankings look like next week?
My prediction:
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Michigan
4. Clemson
5. Washington
6 Louisville
I'd predict the same top 4, but I think they'll put Louisville 5 and Washington 6. Note that that's a prediction, not what I think the rankings
should be. The way it should be, IMO, is:
1) Alabama
2) Michigan
3) Ohio State
4) Washington
5) Clemson
6) Louisville
Not that this week's rankings actually mean anything, because assuming that the Michigan/Ohio State game is essentially a toss-up, and there are no more upsets, the playoff teams IMO should be winner of that game, plus Alabama, Clemson, and Washington. I wouldn't put it past the committee to slip Louisville in there ahead of Washington, though. And of course, we can't just assume that they'll be no more upsets.
Iowa beat Michigan??!1?? :blink:
You just noticed that? Shame you missed it. :console: Arguably the best game of the day.
I fell asleep on that game early in the 3rd quarter.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2016, 08:27:35 PM
You just noticed that? Shame you missed it. :console: Arguably the best game of the day.
:angry: That's not a universally-held opinion.
But, in truth, Iowa deserved the victory. They took advantage of Michigan miscues and their defensive game plan late put their best players in positions to succeed. I don't know why Michigan kept throwing long when it was clear that game wasn't present. Michigan needed to use Ty Isaac a lot more, and TE Jake Butt in the passing game.
Fire Harbaugh.
Personally, I think Iowa got far too many homer calls.
I totally missed the game because I hate 8pm starts. I WANNA GO TO BED.
and I forgot to tape it. :blush:
old man is old.
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Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2016, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 13, 2016, 10:46:18 PM
old man is old.
Get off my lawn
After 8:30pm you'll never know!
*reviews security tapes the next day*
WHAT THE FUCK. THERE IS A BROWN MASS MOVING IN MY YARD. AT LEAST 50 TONS!
Motherfucker I'm on a diet!
more like 48 tons.
ITS INTO MY SURVIVAL SUPPLIES
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2016, 10:44:26 PM
Personally, I think Iowa got far too many homer calls.
That was John O'Neill and his crew. They were the ones officiating at the UM-MSU game last year. Horrible crew, but probably not biased. Fans always know that the officiating will be shit when his name is attached to a game.
I'm thinking Texas Tech might not be a very good team.
Bye, Charlie.
Mangino4Longhorns
All Chuck had to do was beat two shitty teams with losing records to keep his job. LOLZ.
His teams never fail to disappoint. They really need to just fire him now.
BradyHoke4Longhorns
Quote from: Valmy on November 19, 2016, 08:08:01 PM
All Chuck had to do was beat two shitty teams with losing records to keep his job. LOLZ.
His teams never fail to disappoint. They really need to just fire him now.
Well, to be fair to TCU, a shitty team and a mediocre team. But yeah, this week should have been a gimme. I still think Strong is a good coach, but it just isn't working for him at Texas, and at this point, they need to get someone else.
Quote from: dps on November 19, 2016, 10:00:46 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 19, 2016, 08:08:01 PM
All Chuck had to do was beat two shitty teams with losing records to keep his job. LOLZ.
His teams never fail to disappoint. They really need to just fire him now.
Well, to be fair to TCU, a shitty team and a mediocre team. But yeah, this week should have been a gimme. I still think Strong is a good coach, but it just isn't working for him at Texas, and at this point, they need to get someone else.
I don't know how you can be a good coach and coach that game that just happened. Kansas has only won three FBS games since 2010. They couldn't have a winning record in FCS.
And further more the game was won. Texas just had to run out the clock but Strong couldn't manage it.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
Mangino4Longhorns
why needle texas fans with this? the guy was a brilliant coach.
Planet Mangino would win a shitload of games at Texas. Assuming he didn't get fired immediately for acting like himself.
Massive heart attack after the 3rd day of Texas BBQ.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 20, 2016, 12:04:43 PM
Massive heart attack after the 3rd day of Texas BBQ.
I don't know if head football coaches have the time to wait in line at Franklin, so I wonder if he'd resort to cleaning out the nearest Bill Miller or something.
Wyoming is not 8-3, with one game left. If they win that, UWyo wins the Mountain Division of the MWC and likely the championship game will be in Laramie.
Again, this is like bizzarro Wyoming, pulling out close games, playing everyone tough, grinding out wins.
I saw on ESPN that Strong got the boot.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 20, 2016, 09:35:30 PM
I saw on ESPN that Strong got the boot.
That's the scoop. Should happen tomorrow officially.
Kind of bullshit. Obviously needed to be fired, but why not let him coach one more game and finish the season?
Quote from: alfred russel on November 21, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
Kind of bullshit. Obviously needed to be fired, but why not let him coach one more game and finish the season?
Well like everything you hear reported happening at Texas lets wait until it actually happens before we react. Fake stories get run with all the time over here.
Told you Dorsey. Nothing is going to happen until after TCU.
The media covering Texas sports is just a circus of ineptitude.
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Notice they missed the "m" in "from."
Every year they do this, and every year they fuck it up. At some point, they should realize that all of their attempts to appear clever backfire.
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2016, 12:37:12 AM
Well like everything you hear reported happening at Texas lets wait until it actually happens before we react. Fake stories get run with all the time over here.
:lol: Hey I'm now seeing people, outside of the usual Texas football boards, saying they're handling it badly
because they didn't just fire him immediately and all that. So when it was reported that he was fired, oh well that's shitty let him finish out the season. When the university actually comes out and says he hasn't been fired, well that's shitty too.
I guess they should just give him an extension.
An oldie but still good:
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Lolz. It should really say Saban though.
E: Baylor employees are getting themselves arrested now. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18110114/heath-nielsen-baylor-bears-accused-assaulting-reporter-field
"Responsible for management of the public image of the program." Heh.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 22, 2016, 10:28:28 AM
Lolz. It should really say Saban though.
Really? Were Texas fans actually delusional enough to think they would be able to hire Saban away from Alabama in 2014?
Quote from: grumbler on November 22, 2016, 06:05:08 AM
An oldie but still good:
:lol: Never saw that one before.
"Why, you sounded taller at Louisville."
Quote from: grumbler on November 22, 2016, 11:02:16 AM
Really? Were Texas fans actually delusional enough to think they would be able to hire Saban away from Alabama in 2014?
Those 9.95 subscription "insider" type sites kept "reporting" it as being close to happening, etc. I'm positive there were people who bought into it. Not so much with Harbaugh, at least that I rememberr.
E: omg Im about to lose my damn mind. Some fucktard on a university email list that I'm on keeps replying all and saying things like irregardless and I, myself, and shit like that. She's having a full on conversation with one of the IT directors and including like 200 other people in her stupidity uuuuugggggghhhhhhhh stooooooppppppppppppppppppppp. Sweet that's the 17th email I've gotten from her this morning, out of a total of 19. It's a nice quiet holiday week, except for her.
Yeah the media was driving the Saban thing. Harbaugh was never really a serious thing.
That clip just makes me sad now. What fucking nightmare that hire turned out to be. It hard to imagine any of the other candidates being as putridly awful as Charlie Strong.
I feel your pain. Hell, I have lived that pain multiple times in my life as a fan of Wyoming.
Quote from: Valmy on November 23, 2016, 01:38:39 AM
Yeah the media was driving the Saban thing. Harbaugh was never really a serious thing.
That clip just makes me sad now. What fucking nightmare that hire turned out to be. It hard to imagine any of the other candidates being as putridly awful as Charlie Strong.
The good news for you is that Texas is unlikely to pick two busts in a row like Michigan did.
That was a nightmare!
Quote from: Valmy on November 23, 2016, 01:38:39 AM
Yeah the media was driving the Saban thing. Harbaugh was never really a serious thing.
That clip just makes me sad now. What fucking nightmare that hire turned out to be. It hard to imagine any of the other candidates being as putridly awful as Charlie Strong.
It looks like Charlie Strong as a successful head coach is dependent on Teddy Bridgewater being his quarterback.
Bridgewater was committed to Miami when Strong was hired at Louisville, and Strong flipped him to Louisville. That recruiting coup may have determined the next six years for Strong - success at Louisville, then the Texas job.
Quote from: grumbler on November 23, 2016, 01:44:49 PM
The good news for you is that Texas is unlikely to pick two busts in a row like Michigan did. That was a nightmare!
Oh just give them a chance. We'll probably be talking about Greg Davis making his triumphant return to Austin here in a week or two.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 23, 2016, 05:38:13 PM
Quote from: grumbler on November 23, 2016, 01:44:49 PM
The good news for you is that Texas is unlikely to pick two busts in a row like Michigan did. That was a nightmare!
Oh just give them a chance. We'll probably be talking about Greg Davis making his triumphant return to Austin here in a week or two.
Hey, Art Briles is available.
This is the week.
This is The Game.
https://youtu.be/GnHAIoPiAqg (https://youtu.be/GnHAIoPiAqg)
This is the week.
This is The Game.
(This one's a bit old, but still one of the best, despite being from a Buckeye)
https://youtu.be/oTPQR7RTrz4 (https://youtu.be/oTPQR7RTrz4)
Quote from: grumbler on November 23, 2016, 06:53:03 PM
This is the week.
This is The Game.
Buffalo and Bowling Green. Fuck yeah.
OSU-Michigan is a great rivalry.
Doesn't have quite the history of Arizona-ASU, of course, but it has its own special appeal.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 23, 2016, 07:12:47 PM
Buffalo and Bowling Green.
That's The Other Game.
But all games are The Other Game on the last weekend of the season. There's only one game that isn't The [Qualifier] Game on that day.
Everybody knows the best rivalries take place in October.
Quote from: Berkut on November 23, 2016, 07:19:33 PM
OSU-Michigan is a great rivalry.
Doesn't have quite the history of Arizona-ASU, of course, but it has its own special appeal.
True enough. It doesn't feature high school teams like the Territorial Cup. Alas, it only features the #2 and #3 college teams. :(
Quote from: Valmy on November 23, 2016, 07:20:22 PM
Everybody knows the best rivalries take place in October.
Thank you, Jim Delaney.
This is the week.
This is The Game.
(A slightly more biased version :) )
https://youtu.be/yV0tBC_SmrM (https://youtu.be/yV0tBC_SmrM)
Quote from: grumbler on November 23, 2016, 07:26:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 23, 2016, 07:20:22 PM
Everybody knows the best rivalries take place in October.
Thank you, Jim Delaney.
Wait did he try to add another October rivalry?! Blasphemy! Only one major rivalry is College Football is allowed to take place randomly mid-season.
Quote from: Valmy on November 23, 2016, 07:33:28 PM
Wait did he try to add another October rivalry?! Blasphemy! Only one major rivalry is College Football is allowed to take place randomly mid-season.
Yes, he wanted to move the Michigan-Ohio State game to October. Blasphemy, indeed. It was the original "last game of the season" rivalry and should remain so for so long as there is human civilization.
This is the week.
This is The Game.
(Another Ohio State video since we don't have Buckeyes here)
https://youtu.be/piL7VjZDKqo (https://youtu.be/piL7VjZDKqo)
Quote from: Berkut on November 23, 2016, 07:19:33 PM
OSU-Michigan is a great rivalry.
It's good for both teams to be relevant at the same time. Though I could do with OSU being a bit less relevant.
Herman to LSU, Strong better chance to come back to Texas??
Quote from: katmai on November 24, 2016, 08:48:32 PM
Herman to LSU, Strong better chance to come back to Texas??
As I said don't believe any crap any of the media says about Texas until it happens.
But fuck it is weird to see ESPN getting in on the clown show.
Houston comes back and loses to Memphis.
And UDub seems to be ready for Wazzu.
Iowa beating ranked Nebraska! :o
PAC 12 North Champs.
Hopefully just the beginning of championships this post season for Huskies.
I was rooting for Washington State. :blush:
E tu Adolph?
Be grateful I was watching shitty Pac 12 football.
Real football ends at the big 12.
No shit.
Stanford has a team once in a while.
Berkut, to what extent does the win over ASU salve the wounds of an otherwise bad season?
Boise State lost to Air Force yesterday, that means Wyoming wins the Mountain Division of the Mountain West.
2-10 last year, 8-3 this year and an almost guaranteed 3 more games. A win today at New Mexico means the Mountain West chapionship game will be played in Laramie. All it too was me leaving Laramie for the football team to get better.
Quote from: grumbler on November 26, 2016, 08:11:34 AM
Berkut, to what extent does the win over ASU salve the wounds of an otherwise bad season?
Well, it's certainly better than not beating ASU in a terrible season.
I would not trade theirs for ours.
ASU started 5-1, and have since lost 7 straight. They were playing to get to a bowl game.
I will take 3-9 with a win over ASU over 5-7 with a loss to ASU....
I thought it was funny that they had a "Sparky" formation, which the rest of the college football world calls the Wildcat formation, but they just could not bring themselves to run that...
ASU is so easy to despise. It almost seems unfair to other rivalries.
Hey they offer one of the top 10 online degrees in America!
Seriously I heard that on one of their radio ads and burst out laughing.
Dumbass OSU deserves to lose, what with jinxing themselves. Who the fuck wears alternates to the UM-OSU game?
Can't a meteor just hit Columbus and take both of these teams out, ugh.
Michigan OSU not very enjoyable. OSU offence looks like high school practice squad.
But Michigan's offense is giving OSU everything OSU cannot give itself. :(
Speight has thrown 5 touchdowns in his career. Two have been today.
Louisville follows up loss to Houston with losing at home to Kentucky :lol:
:lol: Michigan got so hosed on that spot
Shouldn't have knocked his legs around maybe.
Syracuse and Pitt were too excited for Basketball season.
Panthers win it 76-61 The 137 points is an FBS record.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 26, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
:lol: Michigan got so hosed on that spot
The refereeing was... interesting. Apparently, OSU players simply cannot commit a holding penalty, no matter what they do.
The turnovers were the killers, though. Officiating was no worse than the usual Big ten incompetence.
Harbaugh should have gone for two at the end of the first overtime. The momentum had shifted and he needed to get the game over with.
Back from Columbus. 1st half was so boring I almost left. But I'm glad I stayed.
I also hope Seedy anbd Fatmai get yeast infections.
I will laugh when your Fuckeyes don't even make the Big 10 championship game.
Quote from: katmai on November 26, 2016, 05:21:09 PM
I will laugh when your Fuckeyes don't even make the Big 10 championship game.
(https://m.popkey.co/b6fcd1/o0vJ_f-maxage-0.gif)
At least I won't have a yeast infection.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 26, 2016, 05:19:55 PM
Back from Columbus. 1st half was so boring I almost left. But I'm glad I stayed.
I also hope Seedy anbd Fatmai get yeast infections.
How was the brunch at the Buckeye Club this morning? Did you manage to get there early enough to avoid the mouthbreathers in lower reserve and sing the Zeta Chi song in your cardigan before kickoff?
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KPvV5QiFYqU/hqdefault.jpg)
So jelly.
Quote from: katmai on November 26, 2016, 05:21:09 PM
I will laugh when your Fuckeyes don't even make the Big 10 championship game.
The fucked up thing is that OSU probably gets in the playoff without going to the championship game. If Sparty had somehow beaten Penn State, then we could hope that the Buckeyes could be kept out of the playoffs by losing in the Big 10 championship.
Quote from: dps on November 26, 2016, 09:34:09 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 26, 2016, 05:21:09 PM
I will laugh when your Fuckeyes don't even make the Big 10 championship game.
The fucked up thing is that OSU probably gets in the playoff without going to the championship game.
I know <_<
Yeast infection is getting itchy, ain't it?
Not since you recommended the ointment you use.
THAT WAS OUR LITTLE SECRET
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 26, 2016, 08:05:57 PM
So jelly.
If OSU had hired me, we could've been wearing big fancy hats and sipping mint juleps together as we strolled past the paddocks this morning.
But noooo..."We give preference to Ohio residents for employment..."
Wow, a day after the Boise loss gave Wyoming the Mountain Division, the team comes out...looking awful.
Oh well.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 26, 2016, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 26, 2016, 08:05:57 PM
So jelly.
If OSU had hired me, we could've been wearing big fancy hats and sipping mint juleps together as we strolled past the paddocks this morning.
But noooo..."We give preference to Ohio residents for employment..."
Schmidt's Sausage Haus manager: OH FUCK, ITS THOSE TWO WEIRDOS AGAIN.
Wyo down 21 at the end of the 1st quarter. Wow the old time suck is strong.
Holy shit New Mexico was averaging 21.5 yards per carry when I turned that game on. Wyoming made them punt a few plays later, but damn.
E: That was on 20 carries btw.
The suck is strong tonight.
Nice run by #5 to get the TD just now though.
On the flip side, Wyoming's opponent in the Mountain West title game also sucked in their last regular season game. Probably doesn't do the TV ratings for the game any favors.
The Mountain West has a Mountain Division that has Boise, Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, and Wyoming in it. All are bowl eligible. Only Utah State, recently far better, has a losing record.
The Mountain West also has the West Division. There San Diego State is bowl eligible. It really isn't too hard to see why SDSU sucks when they don't play teams like Hawaii, Fresno State, and San Jose State. They have the nations leading rusher...he got to play against those teams.
I just hope Wyoming can rebound.
Urban Meyer's wife Shelley savaged Jim Harbaugh with a milk joke (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/11/26/13753866/shelley-meyer-urban-jim-harbaugh-joke)
Pretty funny, considering the milking her husband was getting at the hands of a 23 year old coed on the Gators Dance Team.
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WHO WANTS A MUSTACHE RIDE?
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 27, 2016, 08:12:08 PM
WHO WANTS A MUSTACHE RIDE?
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:lol:
Over the last four years the Noles are 8 and 0 against gators and canes, have one national title and a heineman trophy. I officially proclaim fisher a success.
So I was thinking would I rather go 8 and 0 against gators and canes for the next 4 years or have a national title? I'd rather beat my rivals.
So what about the rest of you? You have a choice. One national championship in the next four years but your one loss each year is to a bitter in state rival, or you don't get a title but are guaranteed victory against your two most bitter rivals for each of the next four years. What do you chose?
You know what those kids would prefer: 41 athletes from 15 high schools. It all about that down there.
The all conference teams were announced today.
Arizona did not have a single player on the All-Pac12 first team. Or the second team.
Supposedly Rich Rod has a pretty great recruiting class coming in, so hopefully things will get better. Honestly, I hope they give him quite a bit of time and space, assuming he is doing things the right way. If he is doing things the not right way, and still losing, then of course he has to go, but I can be pretty patient if it just takes time to establish the program. These days it seems like the amount of time given coaches is well short of the amount of time it can reasonable be expected to take a school like Arizona from mediocrity to consistent contention.
Great article here about this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2677700-cheat-or-go-home-inside-the-dysfunctional-hell-of-becoming-a-cfb-coach?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Quote from: Berkut on November 29, 2016, 04:41:09 PM
The all conference teams were announced today.
Arizona did not have a single player on the All-Pac12 first team. Or the second team.
UDub had 13 :P
USC at 9
Colorado 7
if i counted right.
I haven't verified, but I don't think Notre Dame had anyone named first or second team all conference.
Quote from: alfred russel on November 29, 2016, 05:09:18 PM
I haven't verified, but I don't think Notre Dame had anyone named first or second team all conference.
:mellow: wiseass
Quote from: Berkut on November 29, 2016, 04:41:09 PM
The all conference teams were announced today.
Arizona did not have a single player on the All-Pac12 first team. Or the second team.
Supposedly Rich Rod has a pretty great recruiting class coming in, so hopefully things will get better. Honestly, I hope they give him quite a bit of time and space, assuming he is doing things the right way. If he is doing things the not right way, and still losing, then of course he has to go, but I can be pretty patient if it just takes time to establish the program. These days it seems like the amount of time given coaches is well short of the amount of time it can reasonable be expected to take a school like Arizona from mediocrity to consistent contention.
Great article here about this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2677700-cheat-or-go-home-inside-the-dysfunctional-hell-of-becoming-a-cfb-coach?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Berkut, barring a recruiting meltdown, everyone thinks they have a good class coming in. You should have fired Rich Rod.
Yeah they had a well touted class so far.
Quote from: alfred russel on November 29, 2016, 05:11:50 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 29, 2016, 04:41:09 PM
The all conference teams were announced today.
Arizona did not have a single player on the All-Pac12 first team. Or the second team.
Supposedly Rich Rod has a pretty great recruiting class coming in, so hopefully things will get better. Honestly, I hope they give him quite a bit of time and space, assuming he is doing things the right way. If he is doing things the not right way, and still losing, then of course he has to go, but I can be pretty patient if it just takes time to establish the program. These days it seems like the amount of time given coaches is well short of the amount of time it can reasonable be expected to take a school like Arizona from mediocrity to consistent contention.
Great article here about this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2677700-cheat-or-go-home-inside-the-dysfunctional-hell-of-becoming-a-cfb-coach?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Berkut, barring a recruiting meltdown, everyone thinks they have a good class coming in. You should have fired Rich Rod.
I don't care if HE thinks he had a good class, I care whether or not those who job it is to objectively review recruiting classes thinks he had a good class.
Just in Pac-12 look at Graham and Mora at ASU and UCLA who both having issues as well. So it isn't just Rich Rod and Wildcats.
Oregon fired Helfrich.
:w00t: :yeah: :w00t:
Well, shit.
Wyoming lost the Mountain West Championship. Oh well, 8-5 is a hell of a lot better than 2-10 of last year. Let us just keep winning...
The best thing about the Alabama-Florida game today was the Dr. Pepper commercial with Steve Spurrier.
And fuck Penn State, too.
QuoteWas Penn State's explosive comeback enough for playoff bid?
Only if they take Ohio State's slot.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 04, 2016, 01:25:25 AM
QuoteWas Penn State's explosive comeback enough for playoff bid?
Only if they take Ohio State's slot.
Which they are not going to do.
Penn State is going to the Rose Bowl to play Colorado.
QuotePenn State's explosive comeback
Was that the shower scene?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2016, 12:02:53 PM
QuotePenn State's explosive comeback
Was that the shower scene?
EMERGED. :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on December 04, 2016, 11:32:36 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on December 04, 2016, 01:25:25 AM
QuoteWas Penn State's explosive comeback enough for playoff bid?
Only if they take Ohio State's slot.
Which they are not going to do.
Penn State is going to the Rose Bowl to play Colorado. USC
I would like to thank Michigan for keeping Pedo State's foul stench from putrifying the CFP. Instead they are quarantined off in the Rose Bowl.
So Western Michigan University won the MAC and is the only other undefeated FBS school in the country (yes, their strength of schedule is considerably weaker than Alabama's.) They'll be playing Wisconsin in the Cotton Bowl; a match-up that has generated so little interest that tickets are going for $6 on Stub Hub. (http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2016/12/05/cotton-bowl-tickets-western-michigan-wisconsin/94991252/)
:lol:
Oh well, at least the many Western grads in my family are happy; hope it's not a blow-out.
$6? :hmm:
E: Ugh it's on the 2nd. I think I have to actually show up at work on the 3rd, so fuck that. Lots of pretty good prices still there: https://www.stubhub.com/cotton-bowl-tickets-2017-cotton-bowl-arlington-at-t-stadium-1-2-2017/event/9585240/?mbox=1&rS=0&abbyo=true&sliderpos=false&qtyq=false&qtyddab=false&dUpg=false&sort=price+asc
Nosebleed in Jerryworld sucks pretty hard though, even for $6.
Michigan holder Garrett Moores just won the Holder of the Year Award (aka the Peter Mortell Award).
His "highlight" tape is pretty funny
https://twitter.com/SonnyEquipment/status/796927836015783936 (https://twitter.com/SonnyEquipment/status/796927836015783936)
but his acceptance speech is even better
https://twitter.com/gmoores11/status/807021401311952896 (https://twitter.com/gmoores11/status/807021401311952896)
Go Blue!
Quote from: grumbler on December 09, 2016, 08:22:45 AM
Michigan holder Garrett Moores just won the Holder of the Year Award (aka the Peter Mortell Award).
His "highlight" tape is pretty funny
https://twitter.com/SonnyEquipment/status/796927836015783936 (https://twitter.com/SonnyEquipment/status/796927836015783936)
but his acceptance speech is even better
https://twitter.com/gmoores11/status/807021401311952896 (https://twitter.com/gmoores11/status/807021401311952896)
Go Blue!
The highlight reel was the best.
Army beat Navy for the first time in forever. I'm a bit surprised. Notre Dame got beat by Navy, but Army was completely uncompetitive against ND - they looked overmatched at every position.
I enjoyed the game. :)
And the army spirit video about navy people baking cookies in combat.
It was nice to see Army finally win. Man did I feel their pain in 2012, that was brutal.
Anyway if Notre Dame is going to fire Brian Kelly what the hell are they waiting for?
Quote from: Valmy on December 12, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
Anyway if Notre Dame is going to fire Brian Kelly what the hell are they waiting for?
Some results from the 2017 season, I suspect.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 12, 2016, 12:28:48 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 12, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
Anyway if Notre Dame is going to fire Brian Kelly what the hell are they waiting for?
Some results from the 2017 season, I suspect.
Ah so he stays? Even after all the lost wins and probation?
Well maybe he turns it around.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 10, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
Army beat Navy for the first time in forever. I'm a bit surprised. Notre Dame got beat by Navy, but Army was completely uncompetitive against ND - they looked overmatched at every position.
Will Worth is a better QB than Zach Abey, at least for now (Worth is a Senior, Abey only a Soph).
Quote from: Valmy on December 12, 2016, 12:30:55 PM
Ah so he stays? Even after all the lost wins and probation?
Well maybe he turns it around.
The lost wins and probation are bullshit. No one cares.
Unless we are counting the 8 losses this year as lost wins. Those were bullshit too, but the kind people care about.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 12, 2016, 12:46:09 PM
The lost wins and probation are bullshit. No one cares.
Really? But what about Notre Dame honor and all that?
QuoteUnless we are counting the 8 losses this year as lost wins. Those were bullshit too, but the kind people care about.
Ah well Congrats on Kelly surviving a 8 loss season.
Quote from: Valmy on December 12, 2016, 12:47:26 PM
Really? But what about Notre Dame honor and all that?
Some kid associated with the team helped players too much with their schoolwork.
I think that happens at every school and there is no way to completely stop it.
Nerds "helping" jocks with home work is a long tradition. The NCAA Is unamerican.
Quote from: HVC on December 12, 2016, 12:53:25 PM
Nerds "helping" jocks with home work is a long tradition. The NCAA Is unamerican.
When I was in grad school, I had a classmate that was an ex ND cheerleader who was also a former tutor for the team. She was impossibly gorgeous. The MBA students would just stare at her through classes.
She also considered several of the players friends and kept up with the ones in the NFL.
Schools have upgraded their support from "nerds" - at least the schools that care about football.
Best commitment video ever?
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/810894503506833408/video/1 (https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/810894503506833408/video/1)
Fuck BYU.
I thought Michigan played defense?
Quote from: katmai on December 30, 2016, 08:55:06 PM
I thought Michigan played defense?
Remember grumbler posting about how statistical analysis showed that the average P5 school would score just under 1 point per game against the Michigan defense while the game was still in doubt?
The defense is obviously an all time great one. Actual game results are just aberrations that shouldn't detract from that.
good luck tomorrow, btw. The entire universe outside the state of alabama is with you. :)
You'll have to forgive his youthful exuberance.
Well, in his defense, whatever statistical analysis grumbler was looking at didn't take into account Dalvin Cook. Thank god he should go pro after this year. He is a Miami guy, and I don't think I"m out on a limb at all saying that had he picked Miami over FSU, Miami would have probably won the last three Miami-FSU games (Miami lost all three, but they were close).
Quote from: alfred russel on December 30, 2016, 11:22:18 PM
Well, in his defense, whatever statistical analysis grumbler was looking at didn't take into account Dalvin Cook. Thank god he should go pro after this year. He is a Miami guy, and I don't think I"m out on a limb at all saying that had he picked Miami over FSU, Miami would have probably won the last three Miami-FSU games (Miami lost all three, but they were close).
And if frogs had wings they wouldn't have to jump around on their asses.
Quote from: Rasputin on December 31, 2016, 12:12:06 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on December 30, 2016, 11:22:18 PM
Well, in his defense, whatever statistical analysis grumbler was looking at didn't take into account Dalvin Cook. Thank god he should go pro after this year. He is a Miami guy, and I don't think I"m out on a limb at all saying that had he picked Miami over FSU, Miami would have probably won the last three Miami-FSU games (Miami lost all three, but they were close).
And if frogs had wings they wouldn't have to jump around on their asses.
Someday soon FSU may take over the series lead from Miami. FSU may also one day pass Miami in national titles. It is also possible that FSU could pass Miami in the US News & World Report listing of colleges and take over as the top college in Florida (lol, not really). But I don't think there is anything we can do about the school being in Trailerhassee. :(
Much better game than the first half made it look to be. Stopped watching at halftime but I guess Michigan found some offense somewhere.
Obviously the fix is in, and the Husky QB is on the take because nobody could consciously and without malicious intent make that kind of throw. :lol:
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Hopefully Urban gets through the game without punching anyone.
That was shameful. As if millions of red sweater vests suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
But at least the game will be a rematch, and it's easier to root for Clemson against Alabama than it would've been watching Evil 1.0 versus Evil 1.1.
Clemson :)
Alabama has this thing where they give the ball to the biggest and strongest guys who then run people over. Sort of hard to stop.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2017, 09:14:26 AM
That was shameful. As if millions of red sweater vests suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
But at least the game will be a rematch, and it's easier to root for Clemson against Alabama than it would've been watching Evil 1.0 versus Evil 1.1.
Yeah, I'm not particularly a Clemson fan, but certainly they're easier to root for than either Alabama or Ohio State.
SEC vs ACC for third time in four years.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 01, 2017, 10:59:44 AM
Alabama has this thing where they give the ball to the biggest and strongest guys who then run people over. Sort of hard to stop.
It's a very good strategy. :P
Trace McTestaverde.
Very happy for Deshan Watson.
Dabo Sweeny is a jackass.
Any Alabama fan crying should be kicked in the nuts.
Yay, good for Clemson.
Major kudos to Clemson for taking Alabama's early bullshit on the chin and not even blinking. What a great 4th quarter.
Quote from: sbr on January 10, 2017, 12:25:16 AM
Very happy for Deshan Watson.
Dabo Sweeny is a jackass.
Any Alabama fan crying should be kicked in the nuts.
Lets take these one by one:
DeShaun Watson is the fucking man. Should have won the Heisman. I"m very happy for him too.
Dabo Swinney is awesome. Wtf?
Any crying Alabama fan should be kicked in the nuts, but I think the "crying" adjective is superfluous.
I watched at a Clemson bar, and there were a few points (including the end) that some strong "ACC ACC" chants were going. Pretty damn awesome. Best conference in the land. :)
Quote from: alfred russel on January 10, 2017, 01:12:01 AM
Best conference in the land. :)
Except for those clowns in Miami.
I feel good for Clemson fans who had to suffer the insufferable 'SEC SEC SEC' shit from the retarded South Carolina fans for so long.
Any year Alabama does not win the title is a victory for the rest of us.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 10, 2017, 01:12:01 AM
I watched at a Clemson bar, and there were a few points (including the end) that some strong "ACC ACC" chants were going. Pretty damn awesome. Best conference in the land. :)
I was happy about Clemson winning until I read this. Thanks.
Quote from: derspiess on January 10, 2017, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 10, 2017, 01:12:01 AM
I watched at a Clemson bar, and there were a few points (including the end) that some strong "ACC ACC" chants were going. Pretty damn awesome. Best conference in the land. :)
I was happy about Clemson winning until I read this. Thanks.
If you hear Dorsey telling you that the ACC is the "best conference in the land," there is only one conclusion you can reach: that the ACC is NOT the best conference in the land! :lol:
When the MIGHTY TEXAS LONGHORNS continually lose seven games a season while being in your conference that is clear evidence you are the best. There is no other possible explanation for this :P
I knew the officiating was gonna be shitty when I saw the Big12 dude doing the coin toss. I did get better in the second half but in the first half Clemson kinda got screwed on a few calls.
Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2017, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 10, 2017, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 10, 2017, 01:12:01 AM
I watched at a Clemson bar, and there were a few points (including the end) that some strong "ACC ACC" chants were going. Pretty damn awesome. Best conference in the land. :)
I was happy about Clemson winning until I read this. Thanks.
If you hear Dorsey telling you that the ACC is the "best conference in the land," there is only one conclusion you can reach: that the ACC is NOT the best conference in the land! :lol:
The acc sure did pop the big 10s cherry. An fsu team that only went 5-3 in conference beat Michigan in the orange and Clemson humiliated Ohio state.
How's that popping their cherry? :hmm:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
How's that popping their cherry? :hmm:
That's Dorsey you are responding to. He doesn't have to make sense when he talks football; in fact, he might not even be able to make sense while talking about football.
Let 'im woof. It might be the only year he can do so in his lifetime.
I get cheering for your team - but who the hell cares if a rival team in your own conference wins? They're your rival, dammit!
It reflects well on your team too. At least the team that beat them in conference aren't total bums.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
How's that popping their cherry? :hmm:
Good point. The Big 10 was 3-7 in the college football postseason and lost all 3 of the major bowls it was in. That is the worst of the P5 conferences. The ACC didn't so much pop the cherry of the Big 10 as they were a part of a train run on the conference by all college football.
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2017, 02:37:06 PM
I get cheering for your team - but who the hell cares if a rival team in your own conference wins? They're your rival, dammit!
It is a horrible scourge the SEC has unleashed on College Football. Their conference propaganda became a recruiting thing. 'Come play in the great SEC! Oh sure you will be playing for Vanderbilt but SEC SEC SEC'
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2017, 02:37:06 PM
I get cheering for your team - but who the hell cares if a rival team in your own conference wins? They're your rival, dammit!
It is a horrible scourge the SEC has unleashed on College Football. Their conference propaganda became a recruiting thing. 'Come play in the great SEC! Oh sure you will be playing for Vanderbilt but SEC SEC SEC'
Conference preference wasn't invented by the SEC. It was the joint creation of the Big Ten and Pac Eight back when they decided that only their teams were worthy enough to play in the Rose Bowl.
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2017, 02:37:06 PM
I get cheering for your team - but who the hell cares if a rival team in your own conference wins? They're your rival, dammit!
Because nothing excites fan interest like an abstract bureaucratic structure for scheduling and revenue sharing.
Hooray Commissioner Smith and his mighty board of directors!
I'd say that the ACC had the best year overall of any conference. That doesn't necessarily make them the best conference.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 10, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
Because nothing excites fan interest like an abstract bureaucratic structure for scheduling and revenue sharing.
Hooray Commissioner Smith and his mighty board of directors!
Actually, the Big Ten is also an academic conference.
Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2017, 05:35:47 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 10, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
Because nothing excites fan interest like an abstract bureaucratic structure for scheduling and revenue sharing.
Hooray Commissioner Smith and his mighty board of directors!
Actually, the Big Ten is also an academic conference.
So even more excitement!
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 10, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2017, 05:35:47 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 10, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
Because nothing excites fan interest like an abstract bureaucratic structure for scheduling and revenue sharing.
Hooray Commissioner Smith and his mighty board of directors!
Actually, the Big Ten is also an academic conference.
So even more excitement!
But less abstract bureaucratic structure.
Quote from: dps on January 10, 2017, 05:34:58 PM
I'd say that the ACC had the best year overall of any conference. That doesn't necessarily make them the best conference.
Just the best at football in 2016.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18444810/clemson-tigers-coach-dabo-swinney-declares-acc-best-conference-college-football
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TAMPA, Fla. -- Clemson coach Dabo Swinney proclaimed the ACC "the best conference in college football" on Tuesday after his team beat Alabama 35-31 to win the national championship.
For this season, anyway, it is hard to argue with that assessment. The ACC finished 9-3 in bowl season, by far the best of any in the country, while also staking claim to two national champions in the past four years.
It has been a steady climb for a conference once dismissed as the worst among the Power 5. But with Florida State and Clemson rising, and programs like Louisville, Miami and Virginia Tech making strides this season, any old ideas about the ACC need to be reconsidered.
"I think all you media folks need to change your stories," Swinney said during a news conference. "It sounds good. I've been in this league a long time, and this league has never gotten the respect that it deserves. I said about five years ago, just keep your mouth shut and go play. If we want to change the story, then we've got to change it from the inside out. Let's line them up, let's go play them. You've got to win those games. I told my AD that. I told [former Clemson AD] Terry Don Phillips that. We've got to go play people, and we've got to win. We've got to find a way. That's the only way it's going to change.
"I knew. I mean, I watch on tape, I watched all the Big Ten film and all that stuff. This is the best conference in college football. It's the deepest, it's the most competitive. You look at the head-to-head records against the SEC. ... You don't want to play a team from this conference. You just don't. I don't care; name one. That's why we're ready. That's why we're ready to go play Oklahoma two years in a row. That's why we're ready to go play Ohio State two out of the last four years. We're ready, because of what we see week in and week out in this conference."
The numbers back up the claim. The ACC finished 10-4 against the SEC, 6-2 against the Big Ten -- both league records for wins against those conferences. Eleven teams finished with a winning overall record, also a league best. Overall, the ACC finished as the only league with a winning record against Power 5 opponents this season (17-9) and was 51-17 against all nonconference opponents, the best record of any conference and a league record for most wins in a season.
That is a far cry from where the ACC was a mere five years ago, when it had a difficult time winning nonconference games and was shut out of the national championship game on a yearly basis. It had been 14 long seasons between national championship game appearances before Florida State broke through in the 2014 BCS title game against Auburn.
Since then, the ACC has had a team either in the College Football Playoff or as a national champion.
"I said five or six years ago, when we were going through a rough stage in the postseason and not winning our share of nonconference games during the regular season, that the solution to that was pretty simple but hard to do," ACC commissioner John Swofford said earlier in the week. "We needed to win more games, need to be better in the postseason, needed to win more of the right kinds of games. What we've seen over the last four or five years in the ACC is that our teams have done that. Certainly led by Clemson and Florida State, but we've developed a great deal more depth as well and I think that's become pretty obvious. It all is pretty well culminated this year."
Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2017, 05:35:47 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 10, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
Because nothing excites fan interest like an abstract bureaucratic structure for scheduling and revenue sharing.
Hooray Commissioner Smith and his mighty board of directors!
Actually, the Big Ten is also an academic conference.
Hopefully their academic teams fared better than their football teams.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 10, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
Hopefully their academic teams fared better than their football teams.
Indeed. The Big Ten only had four teams finish in the top 10, while the ACC had an overwhelming two.
Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2017, 06:56:35 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 10, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
Hopefully their academic teams fared better than their football teams.
Indeed. The Big Ten only had four teams finish in the top 10, while the ACC had an overwhelming two.
Obviously we need Chicago back in, with all their Nobel prizes and stuff.
Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2017, 06:56:35 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 10, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
Hopefully their academic teams fared better than their football teams.
Indeed. The Big Ten only had four teams finish in the top 10, while the ACC had an overwhelming two.
:lol: Ignore the on the field results, and point to your success in getting votes.
This seems a bit like the all time great Michigan defense you were talking about this year, which by some advanced statistical analysis would give up less than one point per game to the average P5 team while the game was competitive. Lets focus on that, rather than Dalvin Cook breaking free for a TD.
:hmm:
Quote from: grumbler on October 25, 2016, 02:35:14 PM
Bill Connolly's latest S&P+ numbers for defenses (points an average team could be expected to score against this defense) Top FIve:
Quote5. Wisconsin (12.4 Adj. PPG)
4. Alabama (11.9)
3. Florida (11.3)
2. Clemson (11.0)
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1. Michigan (0.8)
That's not a typo, and those numbers are opponent-adjusted and exclude garbage time.
Edit: The difference between #1 Michigan and #2 Clemson are greater than the difference between #2 Clemson and #19 Temple.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/25/13401526/michigan-defense-2016-stats-jabrill-peppers-don-brown-jim-harbaugh?utm_campaign=sbn_billc&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/25/13401526/michigan-defense-2016-stats-jabrill-peppers-don-brown-jim-harbaugh?utm_campaign=sbn_billc&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter)
Just don't pay attention to FSU beating the 33 - 32, and Dalvin Cook putting up 207 yards and a TD on 22 touches.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 10, 2017, 09:46:37 PM
Just don't pay attention to FSU beating the 33 - 32, and Dalvin Cook putting up 207 yards and a TD on 22 touches.
:lol: That's a post from October you're talking about, not post-FSU. If October is what you want to judge teams by, Michigan was 8-0 and had beaten two teams that finished in the top 10, while FSU was 6-3 and had beaten no teams that finished in the top ten (and, indeed, wouldn't beat any such teams until their 1-point squeaker over Michigan).
Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2017, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 10, 2017, 09:46:37 PM
Just don't pay attention to FSU beating the 33 - 32, and Dalvin Cook putting up 207 yards and a TD on 22 touches.
:lol: That's a post from October you're talking about, not post-FSU. If October is what you want to judge teams by, Michigan was 8-0 and had beaten two teams that finished in the top 10, while FSU was 6-3 and had beaten no teams that finished in the top ten (and, indeed, wouldn't beat any such teams until their 1-point squeaker over Michigan).
The statistics you brought to the forum grossly overrated the Michigan defense, as I pointed out at the time--back in October. Subsequent events showed that.
FSU is a better team than Michigan. The teams have the same record, FSU beat Michigan head to head, and FSU played in the best conference in football (where it picked up all of its losses). Michigan was exposed post October, but the signs were there before that, which I pointed out and you objected. The rest of the season has settled that discussion.
Wyoming won more games this year than the last two years combined. Best stat ever.
Hold on Dorsey. FSU needed some last minute heroics to beat a Michigan team who's quarterback couldn't throw a deep ball within 10 yards of a receiver because of a partially healed collarbone.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2017, 11:05:40 PM
Hold on Dorsey. FSU needed some last minute heroics to beat a Michigan team who's quarterback couldn't throw a deep ball within 10 yards of a receiver because of a partially healed collarbone.
FSU won the game. You want to say that Michigan is the better team now?
But that is really not the point. grumbler posted earlier in the season the "advanced statistical analysis" showing the average P5 team would score less than 1 point a game against the Michigan defense while the game was in doubt. We argued about this when I pointed out that was really dumb and obviously false. FSU put up 33 points and Michigan had no answer for Dalvin Cook.
And best defensive player didn't even play.
But I'm sure if you aged the Seminoles they are awesome.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 10, 2017, 11:11:55 PM
FSU won the game. You want to say that Michigan is the better team now?
I might be willing to say Michigan was a better team before the Iowa game, when the qb got squished.
Quote from: katmai on January 10, 2017, 11:12:59 PM
And best defensive player didn't even play.
But I'm sure if you aged the Seminoles they are awesome.
What you and Yi are ignoring is that they actually played in the past couple weeks and FSU won. I don't know that they are awesome but they were at least better than Michigan.
If you want to enter a hypothetical world of what would have happened had they played earlier in the season, it is you guys that are aging (or deaging in this case) the teams.
Quote from: PDH on January 10, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
Wyoming won more games this year than the last two years combined. Best stat ever.
I watched them beat the snot out of Nevada. (Coach got fired btw).
Although it was pleasant when they beat Boise. :D
The interesting part about Dorsey's argument isn't that he argues FSU is a better team than Michigan because they won head-to-head; I think that point is obvious (though it is a team JUST BARELY better than Michigan). The interesting thing is that he rejects advanced statistics when they deliver a message that he does not like, and adores them when they agree with his preconceptions.
Stats are stats. You can argue with some definitions used in advanced stats (like when "garbage time" should start), but the results wouldn't change if you changed a few definitions. They just are what they are. They can be interesting, but they are never as interesting as the weaseling people like Dorsey engage in when they don't like the stats.
Did you guys know that Ken Dorsey is the QB coach for the panthers now?
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Quote from: grumbler on January 11, 2017, 09:58:56 AM
The interesting part about Dorsey's argument isn't that he argues FSU is a better team than Michigan because they won head-to-head; I think that point is obvious (though it is a team JUST BARELY better than Michigan). The interesting thing is that he rejects advanced statistics when they deliver a message that he does not like, and adores them when they agree with his preconceptions.
Stats are stats. You can argue with some definitions used in advanced stats (like when "garbage time" should start), but the results wouldn't change if you changed a few definitions. They just are what they are. They can be interesting, but they are never as interesting as the weaseling people like Dorsey engage in when they don't like the stats.
I'm not opposed to advanced statistics. I just think that statistical analysis needs to be connected to reality. A guy sitting at the bar saying that the Michigan defense was so good that an average P5 team wouldn't score a point against them would be both a homer and a dumbass. The guy citing "advanced statistics" to say the same thing doesn't change that assessment.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 11, 2017, 10:02:41 AM
Did you guys know that Ken Dorsey is the QB coach for the panthers now?
He has done an awesome job. This year wasn't great, but he really helped Cam Newton improve last year.
Dorsey is having a good run in football. National champion QB, runner up for heisman trophy, multi year NFL career, and now an NFL assistant on the move.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 11, 2017, 10:41:02 AM
I'm not opposed to advanced statistics. I just think that statistical analysis needs to be connected to reality. A guy sitting at the bar saying that the Michigan defense was so good that an average P5 team wouldn't score a point against them would be both a homer and a dumbass. The guy citing "advanced statistics" to say the same thing doesn't change that assessment.
:lol: Let the weaseling continue!
And Ohio State loses half its secondary to the draft. Bleh.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 11, 2017, 08:09:46 PM
And Ohio State loses half its secondary to the draft. Bleh.
They must've left early. Like New Years' Eve.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 11, 2017, 08:12:05 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 11, 2017, 08:09:46 PM
And Ohio State loses half its secondary to the draft. Bleh.
They must've left early. Like New Years' Eve.
Heh. Malik Hooker did. I'M GONNA GET PAID. FUCK THIS SHIT
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 11, 2017, 08:09:46 PM
And Ohio State loses half its secondary to the draft. Bleh.
UDub lost 3/4 of theirs. :glare:
At least Peppers at Michigan went pro. Tired of his punk ass in the Big Ten.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 11, 2017, 09:52:49 AM
Although it was pleasant when they beat Boise. :D
I did too. I watch the end of that game again from time to time. :)