NCAA Football, 2016

[Admiral Yi]

FSU won the game. You want to say that Michigan is the better team now?

I might be willing to say Michigan was a better team before the Iowa game, when the qb got squished.

[alfred russel]

And best defensive player didn't even play.

But I'm sure if you aged the Seminoles they are awesome.

What you and Yi are ignoring is that they actually played in the past couple weeks and FSU won. I don't know that they are awesome but they were at least better than Michigan.

If you want to enter a hypothetical world of what would have happened had they played earlier in the season, it is you guys that are aging (or deaging in this case) the teams. 

[MadImmortalMan]

Wyoming won more games this year than the last two years combined.  Best stat ever.

I watched them beat the snot out of Nevada. (Coach got fired btw).

[MadImmortalMan]

Although it was pleasant when they beat Boise. 

[grumbler]

The interesting part about Dorsey's argument isn't that he argues FSU is a better team than Michigan because they won head-to-head; I think that point is obvious (though it is a team JUST BARELY better than Michigan).  The interesting thing is that he rejects advanced statistics when they deliver a message that he does not like, and adores them when they agree with his preconceptions.

Stats are stats.  You can argue with some definitions used in advanced stats (like when "garbage time" should start), but the results wouldn't change if you changed a few definitions.  They just are what they are.  They can be interesting, but they are never as interesting as the weaseling people like Dorsey engage in when they don't like the stats.

[MadImmortalMan]

Did you guys know that Ken Dorsey is the QB coach for the panthers now?

[alfred russel]

The interesting part about Dorsey's argument isn't that he argues FSU is a better team than Michigan because they won head-to-head; I think that point is obvious (though it is a team JUST BARELY better than Michigan).  The interesting thing is that he rejects advanced statistics when they deliver a message that he does not like, and adores them when they agree with his preconceptions.

Stats are stats.  You can argue with some definitions used in advanced stats (like when "garbage time" should start), but the results wouldn't change if you changed a few definitions.  They just are what they are.  They can be interesting, but they are never as interesting as the weaseling people like Dorsey engage in when they don't like the stats.

I'm not opposed to advanced statistics. I just think that statistical analysis needs to be connected to reality. A guy sitting at the bar saying that the Michigan defense was so good that an average P5 team wouldn't score a point against them would be both a homer and a dumbass. The guy citing "advanced statistics" to say the same thing doesn't change that assessment.

[alfred russel]

Did you guys know that Ken Dorsey is the QB coach for the panthers now?

He has done an awesome job. This year wasn't great, but he really helped Cam Newton improve last year.

Dorsey is having a good run in football. National champion QB, runner up for heisman trophy, multi year NFL career, and now an NFL assistant on the move.

[grumbler]

I'm not opposed to advanced statistics. I just think that statistical analysis needs to be connected to reality. A guy sitting at the bar saying that the Michigan defense was so good that an average P5 team wouldn't score a point against them would be both a homer and a dumbass. The guy citing "advanced statistics" to say the same thing doesn't change that assessment.

  Let the weaseling continue!

[Ed Anger]

And Ohio State loses half its secondary to the draft. Bleh.

[CountDeMoney]

And Ohio State loses half its secondary to the draft. Bleh.

They must've left early.  Like New Years' Eve.

[Ed Anger]

And Ohio State loses half its secondary to the draft. Bleh.

They must've left early.  Like New Years' Eve.

Heh. Malik Hooker did. I'M GONNA GET PAID. FUCK THIS SHIT

[katmai]

And Ohio State loses half its secondary to the draft. Bleh.

UDub lost 3/4 of theirs. 

[Ed Anger]

At least Peppers at Michigan went pro. Tired of his punk ass in the Big Ten.

[PDH]

Although it was pleasant when they beat Boise. 

I did too.  I watch the end of that game again from time to time.