Anyone playing? I just started and it's quite fun, perhaps we could starta a Languish company with enough interest.
Looks like fun. :hmm:
I'm downloading it. We'll see.
Quote from: Slargos on June 13, 2011, 07:29:54 AM
I'm downloading it. We'll see.
I recommend the yank tank of the three starting tanks. It's faster and carries an acceptably big stick.
Yup, just got my M40/M43 yesterday so only one tier left on the yank arty line :)
My clan will reenter the clanwars tomorrow with hopefully a team that is committed and quite a few tier X's :showoff:
Quote from: Threviel on June 13, 2011, 07:49:20 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 13, 2011, 07:29:54 AM
I'm downloading it. We'll see.
I recommend the yank tank of the three starting tanks. It's faster and carries an acceptably big stick.
HAH! No.
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The kraut tank shoots well, but is very slow.
This has been my recent addiction as well. I leveled up to about tier V on all medium tanks, as well as KV. KV sure is a nice tank to play with rather than against, especially if you're in the higher half of the team.
I haven't levelled at all, I'm saving up for some SPG right now. I can't play for more than 2-3 hours/week so levelling is going to take time.
Quote from: Threviel on June 13, 2011, 08:39:20 AM
I haven't levelled at all, I'm saving up for some SPG right now. I can't play for more than 2-3 hours/week so levelling is going to take time.
A LOT of time. If you want to level, I highly recommend a premium account, so that instead of it taking you infinite time to level up, it would only take half of infinite time to do so.
Well. Got into my first battle, and for some reason the allied tanks weren't painted. Invisible, but for little green diamond indicators and the occasional shadow. Eerie. I guess this is some sort of sci-fi tank shooter?
And then it crashed.
Great game. :thumbsup:
Quote from: DGuller on June 13, 2011, 09:15:55 AM
Quote from: Threviel on June 13, 2011, 08:39:20 AM
I haven't levelled at all, I'm saving up for some SPG right now. I can't play for more than 2-3 hours/week so levelling is going to take time.
A LOT of time. If you want to level, I highly recommend a premium account, so that instead of it taking you infinite time to level up, it would only take half of infinite time to do so.
So far I don't mind. If it's fun enough I might get Premium, but not yet. It's not worth it since I have so few game playing hours.
The thing with invisible tanks is a bug, it went away when I changed some graphical settings. And a tip is to disable vibrations.
This game is a lot of fun. I'm considering splurging on the 30k gold option, but we'd need to create a company. :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on June 13, 2011, 01:22:31 PM
This game is a lot of fun. I'm considering splurging on the 30k gold option, but we'd need to create a company. :hmm:
Have you ever tried playing USSR or USA tanks?
On my trial list.
Quote from: DGuller on June 13, 2011, 01:49:26 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 13, 2011, 01:22:31 PM
This game is a lot of fun. I'm considering splurging on the 30k gold option, but we'd need to create a company. :hmm:
Have you ever tried playing USSR or USA tanks?
I've only just started playing it. The US beginner tank is ok, but the Russian one felt a bit "off". IDK.
I'm going to go down the German TD tree, and I just got my first TD though after upgunning it I forgot to buy ammo for it so the next battle didn't go so well. :blush:
I got my SPG, boring as hell, sold it after a few battles. Considering going the american tank route.
Can I be: Firefly?
Through some slick manouvering, I just managed to take out 4 light tanks and 1 medium in the same engagement. Last 2 while almost being unable to turn due to damage to the tracks and engine. :D
Unfortunately, the left flank buckled and I had no chance to return to base in time to take on the remaining 4 which were occupying the flag. :cry:
I think I'm going to be playing this game a lot. :hmm:
HERR Slargmann currently rides the PzII.
Man I love this game.
Staring down an enemy TD head on that you know is aiming right at you, and playing a game of aiming chicken to see who gets off the good shot first is hilarious. :D
Quote from: Berkut on June 13, 2011, 02:18:31 PM
Can I be: Firefly?
No British tree yet, so only a few British tanks given to the Soviets are in the game.
Quote from: Slargos on June 13, 2011, 05:16:04 PM
Through some slick manouvering, I just managed to take out 4 light tanks and 1 medium in the same engagement. Last 2 while almost being unable to turn due to damage to the tracks and engine. :D
Unfortunately, the left flank buckled and I had no chance to return to base in time to take on the remaining 4 which were occupying the flag. :cry:
I think I'm going to be playing this game a lot. :hmm:
HERR Slargmann currently rides the PzII.
That's pretty impressive, my biggest streak is 6, and that was in a tricked out KV against a bunch of medium tanks, the one role where they historically raped. Of course, historically they also broke down after the first 5 shots, but that's not modeled.
Quote from: DGuller on June 13, 2011, 11:15:24 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 13, 2011, 05:16:04 PM
Through some slick manouvering, I just managed to take out 4 light tanks and 1 medium in the same engagement. Last 2 while almost being unable to turn due to damage to the tracks and engine. :D
Unfortunately, the left flank buckled and I had no chance to return to base in time to take on the remaining 4 which were occupying the flag. :cry:
I think I'm going to be playing this game a lot. :hmm:
HERR Slargmann currently rides the PzII.
That's pretty impressive, my biggest streak is 6, and that was in a tricked out KV against a bunch of medium tanks, the one role where they historically raped. Of course, historically they also broke down after the first 5 shots, but that's not modeled.
I got lucky, I think.
I was assaulting their flank, and when the first contact took out my teammate, I managed to take him out. Then their reinforcements took position behind a house, and I used shoot-and-scoot tactics to take them out one by one. Had they ever gone out in force I would've been toast. It seems though that what was really giving me the edge was that I didn't stop to zoom or auto-aim, but rather opened fire the moment I had them in my sights and reasonable accuracy. I managed to fire first more or less every time. Shooting from the hip, so to speak.. :hmm:
It was pretty fucking intense. :ph34r:
Slargmann (Now in Marder II): Gets the drop on a KV-1 in urban CQB and puts a 7.5cm grenade in the tracks.
KV-1: Laughs. Wonders what happened.
Slargmann: Desperately fires another shot as the turet begins to traverse. Ineffectual.
KV-1: Snorts. Finds target.
Slargmann: Stares into the barrels of the now angry KV-1. Pisses self. Frantically reloading.
Hetzer: BOOM! LOL! KILL!
Slargmann: Thanks the good Lord for the timely intervention.
Marvelous, marvelous game. :D
I played a bit last night, with my shitty little T1. It is a hell of a lot of fun.
One thing that's really frustrating about this game is that it seems I'm always the guy with the smallest tank. :ph34r:
I've managed to get my hands on a PzIII but suddenly everyone's driving heavies.
I am trying ot figure out how to allocate research. Should I pick something to specialize in, and then only spend on that branch of the tree? It seems like research isn't really the bottleneck though - I can research a lot more than I can actually afford.
Quote from: Berkut on June 14, 2011, 09:14:03 AM
I am trying ot figure out how to allocate research. Should I pick something to specialize in, and then only spend on that branch of the tree? It seems like research isn't really the bottleneck though - I can research a lot more than I can actually afford.
Credits are the bottleneck early. Later on things will get far more expensive xp wise. You should definitely pick a tree, but many items cross over and you're going to need two vehicles anyway since you're going to die a lot and having another vehicle means you can play rather than twiddle your thumbs. :hmm:
I'm going down the heavy tank and TD trees.
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 09:16:16 AM
you're going to need two vehicles anyway since you're going to die a lot and having another vehicle means you can play rather than twiddle your thumbs. :hmm:
How does that work? Two computers?
Why would dying cause me to twiddle my thumbs?
I now partially grinded my way through M3 Lee, and got myself a T1, the first American heavy tank.
I love it. It's like a Sherman, only greatly improved. It takes the Sherman's gun, but fixes its low profile, inadequate size, and uncontrollable speed. It can give quite a headache to the enemy, and a ringing in the ears to boot if you're lucky and manage to bounce one shot off them.
Quote from: Threviel on June 14, 2011, 09:18:36 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 09:16:16 AM
you're going to need two vehicles anyway since you're going to die a lot and having another vehicle means you can play rather than twiddle your thumbs. :hmm:
How does that work? Two computers?
No. You can exit the battle and start a new one but your vehicle will be tied up until the battle is over so unless you have two vehicles you need to wait.
Can I TK?
Quote from: Threviel on June 14, 2011, 09:18:36 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 09:16:16 AM
you're going to need two vehicles anyway since you're going to die a lot and having another vehicle means you can play rather than twiddle your thumbs. :hmm:
How does that work? Two computers?
You can leave the battle if you're killed, I hope you knew that. :o You can't use the same tank until the battle is over for everyone, though.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 14, 2011, 09:21:20 AM
Can I TK?
For a while. There is a TKer identification system, and if you get marked as a TKer, everyone else on your team can, and will, shoot you with no retribution. You, on the other hand, will eventually get banned.
Just took out 2 StugIIIs with my Hetzer, both blasting away at me. :ph34r:
Quote from: DGuller on June 14, 2011, 09:28:52 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 14, 2011, 09:21:20 AM
Can I TK?
For a while. There is a TKer identification system, and if you get marked as a TKer, everyone else on your team can, and will, shoot you with no retribution. You, on the other hand, will eventually get banned.
That sucks. Pass.
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 09:37:04 AM
Just took out 2 StugIIIs with my Hetzer, both blasting away at me. :ph34r:
How are you progressing so quickly?
Quote from: DGuller on June 14, 2011, 09:41:03 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 09:37:04 AM
Just took out 2 StugIIIs with my Hetzer, both blasting away at me. :ph34r:
How are you progressing so quickly?
He sells stoves with built-in laptops
"so you see, while your meatballs get ready, you can blast away tanks on the internets. Observe."
Quote from: Tamas on June 14, 2011, 09:43:38 AM
Quote from: DGuller on June 14, 2011, 09:41:03 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 09:37:04 AM
Just took out 2 StugIIIs with my Hetzer, both blasting away at me. :ph34r:
How are you progressing so quickly?
He sells stoves with built-in laptops
"so you see, while your meatballs get ready, you can blast away tanks on the internets. Observe."
Somebody is jealous that their wagon has no internets.
My wagon....it only holds the beets. :(
Quote from: DGuller on June 14, 2011, 09:41:03 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 09:37:04 AM
Just took out 2 StugIIIs with my Hetzer, both blasting away at me. :ph34r:
How are you progressing so quickly?
I may have invested in some gold.. :blush:
MAN the Hetzer is slow. 13KM/h downhill.
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 09:49:41 AM
Quote from: DGuller on June 14, 2011, 09:41:03 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 09:37:04 AM
Just took out 2 StugIIIs with my Hetzer, both blasting away at me. :ph34r:
How are you progressing so quickly?
I may have invested in some gold.. :blush:
MAN the Hetzer is slow. 13KM/h downhill.
I didn't break down and get a premium account until I hit tier 3, so I guess maybe why your progress seems so fast to me. Anyway, there is nothing embarassing about buying gold, it takes way too much time to level up on a freebie account.
MS-1 starting tank for Russia sucks ass, as it historically did. This game is more realistic than I thought.
I was very pleasantly surprised at the depth of the combat model. It isn't *really* realistic, in that it does use a "HP" model for armored warfare, but the means by which your vehicle is damaged is surprisingly sophisticated.
So. Create a company?
"The Languish Burning Hulks"
What names are you folks going by?
I'm "DGuller". :unsure:
Going by the cute name of SociopathicSquirrel.
Berkutt
Strange. Can't find either of you.
I have set up a channel.
Name: Languish
Pass: dying
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 10:40:01 AM
Strange. Can't find either of you.
Oh, wait, are we even on the same server? There is one for Russians, and one for Americans. Obviously you would be on the Russian one. That might present a problem for us. :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 10:40:01 AM
Strange. Can't find either of you.
Maybe because I'm not logged in?
:cry:
threviel on the european.
Quote from: Slargos on June 14, 2011, 10:50:11 AM
:cry:
Get used to it, inferior Slav race track cannon fodder.
I don't even know on which server I am. I just plugged and played.
If you're a European, you're on the Russian server. If you're a North American, you're on the American server. AFAIK, the Russian server is by far the more populated of the two.
Quote from: DGuller on June 14, 2011, 02:18:42 PM
If you're a European, you're on the Russian server. If you're a North American, you're on the American server. AFAIK, the Russian server is by far the more populated of the two.
Then I am American.
Good, at least I don't have to wait in file like a Commie to get some metal screws.
What sucks, though, is that players can field whatever country they want and mix. I prefer the WWIIOnline way in which you choose a country and stick.
Yeah, it's a little unrealistic to have one mix of German/USSR/USA tanks fighting another mxi of German/USSR/USA tanks. I don't know if that's done for PC reasons, or some other reasons unknown to me.
Actually, it turns out that there are more than two servers. The Euro server is separate from the Russian server. In any case, it's a shame, as it kind of makes the Languishite get-together from all over the world quite impossible.
Lol, Russians in an internet game. Enjoy the hax.
You guys are fags, couldnt get any of you interested in this 10 months ago when it was in beta, and everything including gold was free. :rolleyes:
Any way, never came back after it went live. Had a Jagdtiger and a King Tiger 2, Hummel, and some mid shitty mid-level American tank. Couldnt be bothered to regrind from scratch.
Still play ww2ol drakken?
The server is really bad at balancing teams.
Typically, the team with the most Super Heavies wins the match, and it doesn't seem like it cares too much about giving equal amounts out.
Quote from: Slargos on June 15, 2011, 05:20:10 AM
The server is really bad at balancing teams.
Typically, the team with the most Super Heavies wins the match, and it doesn't seem like it cares too much about giving equal amounts out.
How much have you invested inte game to get that far so fast?
So I saved up my pennies so I could buy the first US SPG. No idea it was a fucking artillery piece. Uggh.
I have decided to try this out again... going to see if I can reactive my beta account If not I can always start over
Quote from: Shade on June 15, 2011, 08:28:17 AM
I have decided to try this out again... going to see if I can reactive my beta account If not I can always start over
You'll have to start over anyway, all progress has been wiped for betas awhile back.
Quote from: Threviel on June 15, 2011, 07:40:01 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 15, 2011, 05:20:10 AM
The server is really bad at balancing teams.
Typically, the team with the most Super Heavies wins the match, and it doesn't seem like it cares too much about giving equal amounts out.
How much have you invested inte game to get that far so fast?
€20.
I'm in the Hetzer and the PzIII but I'm only a couple of matches away from the StugIII and the PzIV. So I wouldn't say I'm far along at all.
Problem is that the moment I got heavier trucks, I seem to have been bumped into the higher division and I'd say 70-80% of the time I am one of the lightest vehicles on the map. I can't even dent the KVs from the rear, and I only score lucky hits in the tracks or if I'm in a position where they bare their bellies to me.
The Hetzer with the 10.5cm will one-shot everything in its class the majority of the time, even from the front, but getting XP in the majority of matches is really difficult. I get 250+ if I'm lucky, but most of the time it's between 100-200 for observation and getting a few hits in before toast.
I'm slowly learning the game though, and I'm not getting so freakishly destroyed as I did the first dozen matches against the heavies. I've learned that it's pointless to stick around in the same location after firing a shot since either the heavies or their arty will wax me in seconds if I don't get the fuck out ricky-tick. :D
Now I don't even shoot at the heavies unless there's literally no other option (since at best I'll score a 5-10% hit and get knocked out before a second shot), instead scouting for my own heavies and taking the odd pot shot on lights and mediums. I guess this is relatively realistic in a sense.
I'm having fun anyway.
Quote from: Berkut on June 15, 2011, 08:14:38 AM
So I saved up my pennies so I could buy the first US SPG. No idea it was a fucking artillery piece. Uggh.
I haven't quite figured out how to use them yet, but they are tremendous force multipliers. If you can pin down a heavy and he's stupid enough to stay in position, the SPGs will make short work of him.
Arty is the easiest way to score multiple kills in the game, aside from maybe a KV with a derp gun. You just have to know how to stay away from the enemy, and you always want to aim from overhead rather than in direct aim, unless you can see a tank rushing you.
It's also key to not fire until the circle tightened up to the minimum. If the target moves during that time, so be it. Also, remember that just because enemy artillery stops lighting up doesn't mean that it isn't where you last saw it.
All too often, one of the suicide scouts on your team would light up the position of the arty and the tank destroyers, they would shoot it, and then just continue sitting there. Shoot carefully at the last location you remember them being at, especially arty. Conversely, don't sit on the same spot for the whole game, because eventually one of the enemy arties will have the same idea, and shell your general location.
Point blank range, no penetration. Does that seem likely? I mean I could almost touch him with the gun. Surely that shouldn't be possible.
Quote from: Slargos on June 15, 2011, 09:41:20 AM
Point blank range, no penetration. Does that seem likely? I mean I could almost touch him with the gun. Surely that shouldn't be possible.
Happens all the time, if you're undergunned against the guy's armor. It's not that ahistorical either, T-34 couldn't penetrate the front of the Tiger point blank either.
Anyway.
JgPz is 30k exp. At an average of 200 per match, that's what.. 150 matches. Grind doesn't even begin to explain this. How the hell can so many people have the high tiered vehicles?
1) Get premium account.
2) Have no life.
3) Try to earn more than 200 per match. Experience gain is increased as you move up in tiers, generally.
Most games I'm lucky if I can find a target I can actually kill. :D
And then I get too eager in the matches that are target rich, and typically get myself killed by some asshole suicide scout who manages to get behind me.
Quote from: Slargos on June 15, 2011, 10:57:23 AM
Anyway.
JgPz is 30k exp. At an average of 200 per match, that's what.. 150 matches. Grind doesn't even begin to explain this. How the hell can so many people have the high tiered vehicles?
http://game.worldoftanks.com/news/general_news/buy_gold_special_price_and_get_unique_tank_free
The pre-order may have also helped...
For any on American servers name is Shade135
I just got the 42/L70 gun for the StuG and holy SHIT what a difference a barrel makes. :w00t:
I just took on a KV head on, granted with a bit of artillery support, and he.. lost.. :D
Twice the rate of fire and almost twice the penetration = one happy Slargos.
Tank destroyers live and die by their boomsticks. That's pretty much the only thing they have; you either blast away the bad guy in one or two shots, or you're dispatched by either the bad guy or the arty.
That makes TDs quite annoying to play when they're stock, since you're going to be shooting peas at KVs for quite a while until you scrounge up the experience for the good gun, while they just need to fart at you out of their tailpipe to knock you out.
I think I am going to shift my focus to medium tanks.
And really, if you are going to aim for the medium tank, you have to go German and get a Panther, right?
Quote from: Berkut on June 15, 2011, 03:33:39 PM
I think I am going to shift my focus to medium tanks.
And really, if you are going to aim for the medium tank, you have to go German and get a Panther, right?
Isn't T-34 a Medium tank as well?
If you want to ride an inferior vehicle.
From what I can tell, the KV is the only really viable option if you want to be competitive.
I'm shooting for the Tiger. Won't be caught riding that commie filth. :mad:
Quote from: Berkut on June 15, 2011, 03:33:39 PM
I think I am going to shift my focus to medium tanks.
And really, if you are going to aim for the medium tank, you have to go German and get a Panther, right?
The medium tank I fear the most is the VK3601H. I've seen those tanks go on a tear even in battles with lots of heavies.
But you don't necessarily have to go German, T-34 and Sherman have their charms as well. Another advantage for the Soviets is that the final step in the medium tree is T54, which reportedly is quite a beast.
Quote from: Slargos on June 15, 2011, 03:40:37 PM
If you want to ride an inferior vehicle.
From what I can tell, the KV is the only really viable option if you want to be competitive.
I'm shooting for the Tiger. Won't be caught riding that commie filth. :mad:
Maybe it's the only viable option in your tiers, but as you keep moving up, you're going to find KVs wanting. Their stupid-ass KV2 turret is just a big and amusing target for higher tier tanks.
Do.
Not.
Charge.
Artillery.
Head.
On.
Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 03:42:09 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 15, 2011, 03:33:39 PM
I think I am going to shift my focus to medium tanks.
And really, if you are going to aim for the medium tank, you have to go German and get a Panther, right?
The medium tank I fear the most is the VK3601H. I've seen those tanks go on a tear even in battles with lots of heavies.
Concur. They are dangerous.
Quote from: Slargos on June 15, 2011, 03:48:26 PM
Do.
Not.
Charge.
Artillery.
Head.
On.
You actually got shot by one? I find it pretty safe to charge head on, if time is of the essence, just don't stay in front of the cannon when you get there. I almost always miss the point-blank shots with the arty if the tank is charging me, and they almost always miss me as well.
Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 03:58:21 PM
You actually got shot by one? I find it pretty safe to charge head on, if time is of the essence, just don't stay in front of the cannon when you get there. I almost always miss the point-blank shots with the arty if the tank is charging me, and they almost always miss me as well.
I got greedy. Last one standing and after I missed the first shot I figured I would just ram him before anyone else got a shot off. He fired just as I was about to strike home. :blush:
Man, I am loving this new cannon. I just single-handedly took out an advancing platoon, two SPGs and the remaining defending KV and captured the flag. :lol:
Granted, I got lucky in that the venue of advance I picked only had mediums in it, but damn that was fun. :lol:
The *ping* the shots make as they bounce off your front armour is fantastic. :D
Edit: Reaper-4. :cool:
Here is a first for me. My Panzer IV was tracked, and thus I was forced to keep shooting at the Stug that tracked it. Apparently we shot at each other one last time at the same instant, as both of us blew up simultaneously from each other's shell.
Doh! Just now, by accident, I learned how to really use auto-aim. It turns out that until now I had no idea. :blush: The first battle I tried it, I scored 4 easy kills. It's really a godsend if you're fighting tanks you can easily penetrate.
Share!
Quote from: Berkut on June 15, 2011, 08:11:17 PM
Share!
Get the tank in crosshairs, and right-click. As long as it's in view, your crosshair will follow that tank, even if you or he moves. One thing it doesn't do is lead the tank, though, so if you really have to shoot it while it's moving to the side, you have to disable the auto-aim on him.
Speaking of crosshairs, another thing I learned somewhat recently is that its color tells you whether you can penetrate the tank there with your gun, or not (it's even more clear if you don't use the default wedge crosshair). It really make it much easier to find the weak spot on the enemy tank, before I knew that I was purely guessing.
Yes. I would be interested in hearing aswell. :hmm:
I use it mainly for those times when I need to fire while on the move, IE while attempting to circle a TD or trying to disengage.
Quote from: DGuller on June 16, 2011, 01:28:19 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 15, 2011, 08:11:17 PM
Share!
Get the tank in crosshairs, and right-click. As long as it's in view, your crosshair will follow that tank, even if you or he moves. One thing it doesn't do is lead the tank, though, so if you really have to shoot it while it's moving to the side, you have to disable the auto-aim on him.
Speaking of crosshairs, another thing I learned somewhat recently is that its color tells you whether you can penetrate the tank there with your gun, or not (it's even more clear if you don't use the default wedge crosshair). It really make it much easier to find the weak spot on the enemy tank, before I knew that I was purely guessing.
Now THAT is interesting! :hmm:
Oh, and turns out there is an artillery "bird's eye" view. That would be quite helpful in aiming. :lol:
Learn something new every day. Now I understand why they seem so idiot-savant-accurate all the time. God-mode on.
Quote from: Slargos on June 16, 2011, 01:41:18 AM
Oh, and turns out there is an artillery "bird's eye" view. That would be quite helpful in aiming. :lol:
Learn something new every day. Now I understand why they seem so idiot-savant-accurate all the time. God-mode on.
Oh, yeah, it's useful to know that too, and something I also didn't know right away. :lol: Aiming artillery like it's a tank destroyer does not make for a fun experience.
Quote from: DGuller on June 16, 2011, 01:48:11 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 16, 2011, 01:41:18 AM
Oh, and turns out there is an artillery "bird's eye" view. That would be quite helpful in aiming. :lol:
Learn something new every day. Now I understand why they seem so idiot-savant-accurate all the time. God-mode on.
Oh, yeah, it's useful to know that too, and something I also didn't know right away. :lol: Aiming artillery like it's a tank destroyer does not make for a fun experience.
Not really. Though it would certainly make more sense.
I thought I needed to bring it in horizontal line with the target and it would more or less autoaim itself vertically, which it appeared to be doing. I figured it required some badass skill to pilot the arty.
Now I'm just disappointed. :P
I'm considering just ponying up the cash for a Löwe. I'm getting sick and tired of being plastered all over the map by VKs and KVs.
This one mother fucking VK3001 was going for our lone Hummel, and I pounded him 6 fucking times at close range, while he dashed by, took out the Hummel and proceeded to take out me with 25% health still remaining.
The cost of the Löwe is approximately $30 and I'll be damned if it's not worth it.
Broke down and bought the Löwe. And now I'm facing Maus.
I simply CANNOT catch a break. :mad:
I think I am about done with this. It is a lot of fun, but I don't like the payment model. The "free" game is actually way too expensive to justify.
That's how a free game works. I guess this is how coke addicts feel.
Try Spiral Knights, it's as worse.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 16, 2011, 08:08:26 AM
That's how a free game works. I guess this is how coke addicts feel.
Try Spiral Knights, it's as worse.
I don't mind the business model, just think that when you look at how much this game costs, it isn't worth it.
Quote from: Berkut on June 16, 2011, 08:23:56 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 16, 2011, 08:08:26 AM
That's how a free game works. I guess this is how coke addicts feel.
Try Spiral Knights, it's as worse.
I don't mind the business model, just think that when you look at how much this game costs, it isn't worth it.
Makes all those 60$ games seem cheap, eh?
Given how much I played this game, $10 per month is really not that unreasonable for a MMPOG.
Quote from: DGuller on June 16, 2011, 11:18:11 AM
Given how much I played this game, $10 per month is really not that unreasonable for a MMPOG.
$10/month for what is pretty much a pretty thin shooter is a bit much.
This is not by any means an MMORPG, and doesn't not have nearly enough content to justify $10/month, IMO.
It is a shooter with a pretty cool theme.
But it's so, so addictive. :(
Since you don't have to pay in order to play it, I really don't see the problem. The only difference is that you don't get access to some perks of rather limited function. I sure as shit won't be paying gold, for example, for better ammo.
I splurged on a $30 tank, but given that it's half the cost of any typical game I'd buy and I've already gotten more hours out of this than I would most titles, I think it's relatively cheap.
Yeah, exactly. You can play completely for free, you'll just be progressing at half the normal pace, and won't have the option of skipping over a tank that for whatever reason you despise playing.
Yeah, but games like this I look at the "free" part as basically demo. The progression is too slow to tolerate at the free level, and I think they are a bit too pricey at the paid level.
YMMV, of course. I imagine I will drop in and play now and again, just because the theme is a lot of fun. But I've already noticed that I am annoyed pretty fast when it is obvious I am going to be a second class citizen pretty much forever. Even when I wait and finally get to move up...it just means now you have the shittiest tank in a new tier anyway.
Quote from: Berkut on June 16, 2011, 01:30:43 PM
Yeah, but games like this I look at the "free" part as basically demo. The progression is too slow to tolerate at the free level, and I think they are a bit too pricey at the paid level.
YMMV, of course. I imagine I will drop in and play now and again, just because the theme is a lot of fun. But I've already noticed that I am annoyed pretty fast when it is obvious I am going to be a second class citizen pretty much forever. Even when I wait and finally get to move up...it just means now you have the shittiest tank in a new tier anyway.
That's certainly the most frustrating part.
I've gotten the hang of aiming for the weak spots. I can finally score some actual hits. :w00t:
Unfortunately it seems many of them involve hitting driver's and commander's hatches, and perhaps there is some rationale like shrapnel to account for the resulting destruction but it seems a bit off.
Watching two columns of Panzers in evenly spaced march link up after a two-pronged attack, to rush towards the objective, is simply breathtaking. This game offers both excitement and marvellous aesthetics. I don't see why anyone would ever need another game. :sleep:
Quote from: Slargos on June 16, 2011, 04:52:53 PM
Watching two columns of Panzers in evenly spaced march link up after a two-pronged attack, to rush towards the objective, is simply breathtaking. This game offers both excitement and marvellous aesthetics. I don't see why anyone would ever need another game. :sleep:
Did the Panzerlied pop into your head as you watched that? :)
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 16, 2011, 04:55:36 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 16, 2011, 04:52:53 PM
Watching two columns of Panzers in evenly spaced march link up after a two-pronged attack, to rush towards the objective, is simply breathtaking. This game offers both excitement and marvellous aesthetics. I don't see why anyone would ever need another game. :sleep:
Did the Panzerlied pop into your head as you watched that? :)
:blush:
Also I do not know if you know this but there is a forward and backward cruise control R is forward and I believe F is backward... ironic I know... Click it once and you go level one speed up to level 3 or 4 speed. Also if you press shift it automatically puts you in and out of a first person and third person perspective, great for sniping. If you did already know about this sorry to waste your time.
Wow, one Panzerjager just killed 10 on my team.
Quote from: Shade on June 16, 2011, 05:57:40 PM
Also I do not know if you know this but there is a forward and backward cruise control R is forward and I believe F is backward... ironic I know... Click it once and you go level one speed up to level 3 or 4 speed. Also if you press shift it automatically puts you in and out of a first person and third person perspective, great for sniping. If you did already know about this sorry to waste your time.
Didn't know there are several settings, which ironically is why I found it useless.
Now that I discovered auto-aim, playing light tanks is way more fun. You can't ever stop in them, so having the crosshairs fixed on the enemies while you're racing around them really helps out, especially when coming across an arty or an anti-tank piece. I now consistently manage to kill 1 or 2 enemies, and sometimes more, even when being near the bottom of the list.
http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Battle_Mechanics
If you haven't already, check this out.
Some very important information in there.
For instance, I hadn't even considered that muzzle flashes might give up your position. :hmm:
Quote from: DGuller on June 16, 2011, 06:09:12 PM
Quote from: Shade on June 16, 2011, 05:57:40 PM
Also I do not know if you know this but there is a forward and backward cruise control R is forward and I believe F is backward... ironic I know... Click it once and you go level one speed up to level 3 or 4 speed. Also if you press shift it automatically puts you in and out of a first person and third person perspective, great for sniping. If you did already know about this sorry to waste your time.
Didn't know there are several settings, which ironically is why I found it useless.
Also if you press it before the battle starts you start with the track going... great for being an early scout
Quote from: Slargos on June 16, 2011, 07:00:32 PM
For instance, I hadn't even considered that muzzle flashes might give up your position. :hmm:
Doesn't the red losange over your tank already give your position to the enemy? :hmm:
Just had a great battle....4 kills in my T1, down to 1 v 1, I manage to cap the flag seconds before the other side! WOOT
Quote from: Drakken on June 16, 2011, 10:55:27 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 16, 2011, 07:00:32 PM
For instance, I hadn't even considered that muzzle flashes might give up your position. :hmm:
Doesn't the red losange over your tank already give your position to the enemy? :hmm:
Post ipso facto. :contract:
The muzzle flash is what paints you with the red marker. Hence, it's almost always better to stand
behind the bush rather than inside it.
I've been very frustrated by the speed which they aquire you after firing, but yesterday I spent several matches just blasting away without return fire using this technique. It is apparently not widely understood, because it's only happened to me a handful of times that I've been fired upon and killed by an assailant that I couldn't see to return fire on [other than artillery which you'll naturally neither see nor hear until you are dead]
Wrestled my way up to a JagdPzIV. 60k xp for the next one. This is gruelling work. But the joy of incinerating Russian tankers makes up for it. :sleep:
Well. Talk about demoralizing.
I just got the VK3601H and took it for a test spin and for once I was one of the 3 heaviest tanks so it should be a breeze, right? Wrong.
Picked the wrong route and was suddenly surrounded on all sides, but managed to extricate myself from the situation with 2 kills. Unfortunately the route I was now forced to take allowed the enemy to get a good advantage in numbers on the others and before long they had a 10-6 advantage. "No worries" thinks I, since all their heavies have been knocked out and it's just artillery and mediums left to worry about.
So I corner a dinky fucking Pz38 in a corner of the map that I've already knocked down to 30%. Not willing to let him sit there and hide since I'm worried he'll sneak around me and take out our remaining arty, I make the lumbering trek up the fucking hill he's hiding on, and when I get up I fire what I think will be a shot that will brush him off the map and let me get on with my business. No such luck. It goes wide. Return shot takes out my driver. Fuck.
So the next shot I take careful aim and figure that this time he'll be toast. Center mass, just below the turret, which typically guarantees at least some damage on heavier tanks, and generally kills the lights. Nothing. Not a single HP of damage. I don't hear it hit so it's either a ghost shell or it improbably missed again. Return shot hits my track and does marginal damage.
The artillery shell, however, does not do marginal damage. It takes about 80% of my hitpoints, and at this point I'm starting to get a bit agitated. I fire another shot into his right track, and the mother fucker bounces. Return shot chips another few piddly HP off me.
Second shot to the tracks bounces AGAIN. Artillery wipes me out.
I haven't felt this embarrassed since the erectile dysfunction incident in 2007. :Embarrass:
Quote from: Slargos on June 15, 2011, 03:40:37 PM
If you want to ride an inferior vehicle.
From what I can tell, the KV is the only really viable option if you want to be competitive.
I'm shooting for the Tiger. Won't be caught riding that commie filth. :mad:
Little bit of a necromancy here but I think the current consensus in our clan is that the T54 is to be most feared (of the mediums of course). And as an arty im for some reason much more afraid of them than panthers. Pershings ive seen do good things as well but they seem slower so less of a hassle. For me at least :D
Quote from: Seen on June 19, 2011, 05:12:13 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 15, 2011, 03:40:37 PM
If you want to ride an inferior vehicle.
From what I can tell, the KV is the only really viable option if you want to be competitive.
I'm shooting for the Tiger. Won't be caught riding that commie filth. :mad:
Little bit of a necromancy here but I think the current consensus in our clan is that the T54 is to be most feared (of the mediums of course). And as an arty im for some reason much more afraid of them than panthers. Pershings ive seen do good things as well but they seem slower so less of a hassle. For me at least :D
Letting lights get at the arty is just sloppy, so I agree that they shouldn't be a huge concern. I haven't faced the T54 a lot (if, actually, at all) so I can't really say.
Sweet MERCY this game is intense.
I just found myself on Cliff piloting the Löwe, with my entire team save for a medium pushing east leaving me and the poor med to defend the flag. Naturally, they bogged down without getting much done against half the opposing team, while the other half came at our flag from the west. Through a bit of luck and judicious maneouvering, I took out 3 heavies and a medium while my colleague took out a heavy, a medium and a light together with a TD who returned from the attack to help us defend. Inconceivably, the eastern push (all 12 of them) were routed and 3 heavies remained of the attacking force. I managed to damage one and knock out another, while the TD knocked out a second. Jittery nerves caused me to fumble on the last heavy (fucker flanked me and I got stuck between a cliff-face and open ground with no time to get behind cover) adn he knocked me and the TD out. The remaining med ends up in a knife-fight and eventually takes out the heavy with 20% of his HP to spare. :lol:
First time I've pulled a successful running defense against so many equal-tier tanks. Remarkable. And I was so close to the top gun. :(
2000xp. :cool:
I've been having a lot of fun with the game, even with basically "starting over" once I realized I did not want to play an arty puke.
Quote from: Berkut on June 20, 2011, 03:59:26 PM
I've been having a lot of fun with the game, even with basically "starting over" once I realized I did not want to play an arty puke.
A good decision. I've amused myself with scoring improbable leading arty hits against speeding lights, but other than that it's not very interesting. I've found heavy tanks to be the most fun.
Quote from: Slargos on June 20, 2011, 03:27:51 PM
Quote from: Seen on June 19, 2011, 05:12:13 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 15, 2011, 03:40:37 PM
If you want to ride an inferior vehicle.
From what I can tell, the KV is the only really viable option if you want to be competitive.
I'm shooting for the Tiger. Won't be caught riding that commie filth. :mad:
Little bit of a necromancy here but I think the current consensus in our clan is that the T54 is to be most feared (of the mediums of course). And as an arty im for some reason much more afraid of them than panthers. Pershings ive seen do good things as well but they seem slower so less of a hassle. For me at least :D
Letting lights get at the arty is just sloppy, so I agree that they shouldn't be a huge concern. I haven't faced the T54 a lot (if, actually, at all) so I can't really say.
Your right there and all teammates should get a -1 when that happens!
But I was making a point about the tier 9 mediums and which one is better. Ill go for T54 if I wanted a medium anytime :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzyJEusS9RE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzyJEusS9RE)
Looks like they're working on a new physics engine. No more gravity-tethers.
And it looks like it will be more Arcade. Trust the Russians to ruin a good thing.
A light just performed a 180 front-flip. Doesn't really seem very realistic. <_<
Man, sounds like the game is going to be sold to Russians or something. That sucks.
AFAIK the developer is Russian.
Quote from: Slargos on June 20, 2011, 05:07:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzyJEusS9RE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzyJEusS9RE)
Looks like they're working on a new physics engine. No more gravity-tethers.
And it looks like it will be more Arcade. Trust the Russians to ruin a good thing.
A light just performed a 180 front-flip. Doesn't really seem very realistic. <_<
3 points:
- Ill need a script since i dont know russian and only see the same arcade there is already.
- She is the mother of my children
- My clan is mentioned @5.36 (double dutch) for winning the clan parade :) (im even in it!)
Quote from: Seen on June 20, 2011, 05:39:30 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 20, 2011, 05:07:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzyJEusS9RE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzyJEusS9RE)
Looks like they're working on a new physics engine. No more gravity-tethers.
And it looks like it will be more Arcade. Trust the Russians to ruin a good thing.
A light just performed a 180 front-flip. Doesn't really seem very realistic. <_<
3 points:
- Ill need a script since i dont know russian and only see the same arcade there is already.
- She is the mother of my children
- My clan is mentioned @5.36 (double dutch) for winning the clan parade :) (im even in it!)
What I'm talking about is the 40 ton tanks sent flying by an obviously flawed engine. Yes, it's possible for a tank to physically lift off the ground in the right conditions, but it seems highly improbable that one would be sent flying and doing a frontal flip.
But yes, that is an unusually hot Russian chick. She's probably of Rus stock.
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Hetzer's gonna Hetz
I just noticed today that I've been playing this game far too much when a deep sense of unease emerged in the pit of my stomach as I was driving my car up a steep incline and thought "damn, gotta clear this quickly, I'm exposing my unarmoured undercarriage".
Do you have a Maus yet?
Fuck no.
VK3601 and JgPanther.
Although I have managed to get my avg gain up to 370xp per match, with around 500-1000 per game the last 100 or so.
What's your secret to not sucking?
3P: Practice, Patience, Physics.
When I got to using Tier-5+ vehicles, I learned that I actually have to aim carefully, and that for instance autoaim has a very limited use. There are weak spots for every vehicle that you need to memorize in order to make your shots count.
Additionally, respect for the physics engine. Leading your target, but also appreciating that the targeting reticle compensates for gravity so if you aim in front of the racing tank but for instance keep your reticle on a distant hill, you will overshoot the target since the computer will compensate for the distance. Also, angles. Rotating your tank 30 degrees will increase your effective armour and improve the chance of deflecting shots. All very intuitive if you understand and accept that the engine is relatively realistic in its behaviour.
Look for cover. Eventually you'll learn where good hull-down positions can be found, and with most tanks they are worth their weight in gold. Most high tier tanks are almost invulnerable when all you can hit are their turrets. A lucky shot may take the commander's hatch, but it's not easy to hit.
Personally, I'm instinctively drawn towards mobility and aggressive maneuver so I tend to find myself in situations where I am flanked and enfiladed in the open, with little to no support since the majority of players tend towards caution. I've learned to curb this behaviour somewhat, and will try to find where people are going before dashing away, and use cover rather than always attempt flanking. This game punishes lone wolf behaviour harshly.
I have about 600 matches so far, but it's only now that I'm starting to feel like I really have a grasp on the game.
Checking out the Wiki and finding the battle strategy guide was a real eye opener. It explains a lot of interesting details of how the game works.
Battle Mechanics - World Of Tanks (http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Battle_Mechanics#Premium_Account)
Quote from: Slargos on June 21, 2011, 02:21:57 AM
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Lemmy!!!!
I am really having fun with this game.
Currently have:
1. PZ38t, this is my "main" so to speak. Trying to work up to the Pz38N, so I can then get to the mediums. But the amount of time it takes is kind of insane. 190k for the next light tank in the progression. I don't see how you guys move up the tree so fast. And playing it can suck a lot of times - not unusual to be on maps with a bunch of artillery, mediums, and a couple heavies. In which case it can be hard to get any kills.
2. PzJg I. This is my secondary vehicle, don't get any XP when I play this though, and don't want to spend the 80k to get the Marder until I get in the next light. But I am getting pretty good with it - key is patience.
3. T-26. This is tricked out, and may be my best means of getting cash. Since it is a T2 light, I am generally playing on maps without artillery, no heavies, and few mediums. With its high velocity 37mm gun, it handles pretty much anything out there, and it is a rare match I don't get 2-3 kills.
Premium account lets you progress much quicker, as you get more experience and credits per battle.
Quote from: DGuller on June 24, 2011, 11:55:31 AM
Premium account lets you progress much quicker, as you get more experience and credits per battle.
Yeah, if you consider *net* experience/battle, premium is a pretty big boost.
Still, at $10/month at best, it is pretty pricey...
80k for Marder? I distinctly recall it beign much cheaper. Perhaps the cost is also lowered for premium. (Ah, you mean the entire path, got it. Taking it to fully upgraded is another 70k :shutup: )
I've spent about $80 or so in 10 days, and although most of that was wasted on the Löwe and needless conversion from gold to credits (won't make that mistake again), I still consider it very good value for my money.
Just checked, 800 battles in 12 days. :lol:
It's less than it sounds, since I only have a survival rate of 20% most of them end up quite short, with a majority probably under 5 minutes.
Edit: And another edit. You're talking about credits when discussing cost. It's been a few hundred matches since I considered credits as an obstacle so I guess I got confused for a bit. Later on the great cost of advancement will be XP, not credits. I'm currently working on the Tiger I and I need 45k XP which is about 90-100 games at the rate I'm going. The problem doesn't stop there, however, as the Tiger I in stock configuration is basically just a slower VK3601 with more hitpoints (and so the rumour goes, more weak spots) but while the added HP may seem nice to have you will also face higher tier competition with the Tiger so it's actually a great step back. It's something like another 30k xp to get upgrades to make the Tiger I interesting to run, which means another 60-80 battles.
I've been using gold to convert XP from my elite tanks in order to speed things up, since I can often net between 1-2k XP per match with the Löwe on a good day (IE when I'm not facing Maus, IS-7 and the like).
The way I see it, sure they've got me nicely hooked since while I'm enjoying the game as is right now it's frustrating to always be the mid or low tier tank and I desperately want the big leagues. I figure I can stop trying so hard once I hit the Tiger II and the Elephant, but if it means less boring grind I will happily shell out a few bucks extra per tier. I have more money to waste than time, after all.
Remember, btw, that it's damage that accounts for the most XP and not kills. This means that as you face heavier enemies your potential for XP earning goes up aswell.
Damn making money is slow in this game. :bleeding:
Taking the Tiger I before gathering enough Free XP to get the Long 88 immediately = :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Hey, is this tank available in the game? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte
Not realistic, I know, but it would be quite a sight to behold. :lol:
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Got into a Marder. Very nice upgrade, I finally have a gun that can at least threaten almost everything I am on the field with.
Trying to get through a match with my Pz38NA is an exercise in futility though. I can't touch anything.
Quote from: Berkut on June 26, 2011, 01:21:31 PM
Got into a Marder. Very nice upgrade, I finally have a gun that can at least threaten almost everything I am on the field with.
The Marder is a nice piece of machinery. Good traverse on the gun, and relatively nimble for a TD.
Quote from: Ancient Demon on June 26, 2011, 01:02:07 PM
Hey, is this tank available in the game? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte)
Not realistic, I know, but it would be quite a sight to behold. :lol:
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Nix. The Maus is there, though.
Quote from: Berkut on June 26, 2011, 01:23:16 PM
Trying to get through a match with my Pz38NA is an exercise in futility though. I can't touch anything.
You can touch the arty and maybe even the tank destroyers. If the other team is full of noobs, and all the tanks charge ahead and leave arty behind, you can be like a fox in a hen-house. Just auto-aim at all the soft targets, and don't ever stop while you're moving in ever-tightening circles around the victims.
Quote from: Berkut on June 26, 2011, 01:23:16 PM
Trying to get through a match with my Pz38NA is an exercise in futility though. I can't touch anything.
What Drakken said. Additionally, your job when there are enough heavies and mediums on the map that you can't really kill anything is to scout for your own heavies and arty. Find good hiding spots and keep the enemy lit up so that your own guys can fire while theirs can't.
You also get XP for being the first to spot an opponent, and for being within visual range while they're getting pounded.
Quote from: Slargos on June 27, 2011, 01:58:20 AM
What Drakken said.
WTF, man? I can live with you wanting to exterminate my kind, but this? This means WAR!!!
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2011, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 27, 2011, 01:58:20 AM
What Drakken said.
WTF, man? I can live with you wanting to exterminate my kind, but this? This means WAR!!!
:lol:
Will you believe me if I said I feel very embarrassed about that one? I don't apologize often, because while I see the social efficacy of an insincere apology I do not like having to lie even for expediency.
I am so, so sorry. :blush:
After I got the L/71 and a better engine for my Tiger, it has actually turned into quite a nice tank. I just rolled up an entire flank on my own on Westfield, while the rest of my team camped the flag. Would've single-handedly won the map but for the goddamned artillery that tracked me and left me easy pickings for two mediums that hurriedly returned from trading misses with the campers. After I'm dead the stupid little cunts deign to start moving in my general direction. <_<
Granted, I was moving full speed most of the advance, and only stopped to fire, so the slow assholes probably didn't even realize what was happening. My kind of match. :pirate
Wow, first time I've seen a calculated head-on charge actually work at Malinovka. And work it did: the casualties were 15-2 in our favor. A simple charge by heavy tanks is vastly under-estimated on that map, IMO: as long as everyone is on-board, it can work very well. Unfortunately, most of the players are just convinced that camping is the way to go, so those who charge just suicide themselves needlessly while cowards stay back and wait to be massacred.
Hehe, 2 kills as a bottom tier 38(t). In the right circumstances, with some luck, light tanks can definitely punch above their weight. It also helps when the ones defending the base are the other light tanks, which is just a silly role for them if you think about it.
The next battle, I kill 5 with it: 2 lights, 1 arty, 1 TD, 1 medium. I was near the top of the list that time, though.
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2011, 06:21:49 PM
Wow, first time I've seen a calculated head-on charge actually work at Malinovka. And work it did: the casualties were 15-2 in our favor. A simple charge by heavy tanks is vastly under-estimated on that map, IMO: as long as everyone is on-board, it can work very well. Unfortunately, most of the players are just convinced that camping is the way to go, so those who charge just suicide themselves needlessly while cowards stay back and wait to be massacred.
Agree. I've seen it a few times, and it seldom fails. You need a perfect storm of enough players that aren't cowards though, and I'd say that 80+% being snails and campers is the reason it almost never happens. It's the kind of map that allows for a broad frontal assault and the math is simply in the favour of the attacking team when 15 tanks face the remaining 5-6 defenders with the rest usually on the hill performing the flanking move.
The defenders simply get saturated. Get one shot off but you're facing 3-4 for every one you fire. Odds are you will get hit while firing and it will throw your aim off, or damage your gun or tracks leaving you even more vulnerable for the next volley and Bob's your uncle.
A lot of players don't seem to understand the concept of attacking with a balled fist rather than 5 spread fingers arrayed in a bitch slap. :D
Quote from: DGuller on June 27, 2011, 09:17:14 PM
Hehe, 2 kills as a bottom tier 38(t). In the right circumstances, with some luck, light tanks can definitely punch above their weight. It also helps when the ones defending the base are the other light tanks, which is just a silly role for them if you think about it.
:lol:
I love watching lights stop in defensive positions. They die rapidly and their team goes blind in the meantime.
I've seen PzIIIs try to play peekaboo against my VK36, even. Sometimes I think people simply don't consider how badly the odds are stacked against them. A tank is a tank is a tank. Nevermind that you're in paper-thin armour and the opponent is sporting an 88. :D
I see your point about the 38t, Berk. That was painful. :wacko:
:lol:
I just one-shot an IS-4.
Stealthed mother fucker got me before I could see him, but I got lucky and a track absorbed all the damage so I was moving again in seconds. Then I spot him and take careful aim on his exposed belly sitting as he were atop a ridge. Fire a shot and WHAM the mother fucker explodes. Usually they take at least 4-5 shots to take down with my Löwe, but I landed a lucky hit in his ammo compartment and his turret probably landed somewhere a couple of minutes later. :D
To top it off, I move on a bit and stumble onto their main line of advance, way ahead of my support and when staring down the barrel of a VK45 you're pretty much toast nevermind the rest of his posse. Way behind them I notice their Hummel, take aim and figure I'll at least try to get the 2 shots off that will be required to kill him, but apparently lightning strikes twice and I must've hit either the ammo compartment or the gas tank because he too dies with the first round.
The rest killed me while I was busy laughing and taunting them via the chat, but I still managed to take the Vk down to 70% from a nice hull down position that took them about 6-7 shots to dig me out of. :D
Man I love this game.
I just discovered the derp gun on the Panzer IV. I always assumed that the 7.5 cm gun was superior to the 10.5 cm gun, so I didn't even bother researching it. Now that I did, and mounted it, I had several games with 5 kills. I like.
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2011, 11:43:18 AM
I just discovered the derp gun on the Panzer IV. I always assumed that the 7.5 cm gun was superior to the 10.5 cm gun, so I didn't even bother researching it. Now that I did, and mounted it, I had several games with 5 kills. I like.
Lots of damage but terrible penetration. I guess a (or frankly the ONLY) viable option would be running with all HE and hope for module hits on the heavier tanks that you can't damage by penetration.
Of course, pretty much all derp guns have to be operated with HE ammo only. That's not too much of an impediment, though, since you're fucked in Panzer IV anyway against any opposition with good armor.
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2011, 12:26:52 PM
Of course, pretty much all derp guns have to be operated with HE ammo only. That's not too much of an impediment, though, since you're fucked in Panzer IV anyway against any opposition with good armor.
Yes and no. In the PzIV I like to act as support for heavies. The enemy often focuses on your heavies and with good aim you're able to do reasonable damage with the 7.5. Just don't get in a position where you're taking rounds, obviously, because it can't last more than a few hits from heavies.
But I am intrigued by your results and I will take it for a spin. :hmm:
No. Just no.
Accuracy is atrocious. :mad:
I guess I need to give it a couple of games though. I'm really not used to playing with HE.
I don't find the 10.5 cm accuracy atrocious at all. Most derp guns can't hit the side of a barn, but that's because most derp guns are Russian. I've taken plenty of long range shots with the Panzer IV derp gun with amazing accuracy, most of my kill are from some distance away. I auto-aim, of course, since if I'm shooting at someone with a derp gun, odds are I don't care where it hits.
derp?
One thing I do take pains to do, though, is to let the circle tighten completely before firing. I can afford that, since they often don't focus on me while I'm aiming my first shot at them, and they can't focus or do anything else after that first shot hits.
Quote from: Berkut on June 29, 2011, 12:55:12 PM
derp?
It's a WoT slang for howitzer guns. Basically, those are high caliber guns with a very short barrel. They're typically used with HE shells only, as their AP ammo doesn't give you much more penetration compared to HE.
The advantage of them is that they pack enormous damage. The downsides are typically poor accuracy and slow reload times.
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2011, 12:56:25 PM
One thing I do take pains to do, though, is to let the circle tighten completely before firing. I can afford that, since they often don't focus on me while I'm aiming my first shot at them, and they can't focus or do anything else after that first shot hits.
Circle works on a gaussian function. 97.5% of the shots fired will end up somewhere in the circle with around 50% IIRC dead center.
Fully aimed, the accuracy of the 7.5 is 0.31 (meters I presume? not entirely sure) at 100m whereas the 10.5 is 0.48.
That's a tremendous difference.
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2011, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 29, 2011, 12:55:12 PM
derp?
It's a WoT slang for howitzer guns. Basically, those are high caliber guns with a very short barrel. They're typically used with HE shells only, as their AP ammo doesn't give you much more penetration compared to HE.
The advantage of them is that they pack enormous damage. The downsides are typically poor accuracy and slow reload times.
Not to mention that you virtually have time to go for a smoke between firing and the shell landing somewhere in the vicinity of the target. :D
It's practically possible to physically dodge a HE shot, and a lot of the time the period that the shell takes to move, the target will have inadvertently moved not to necessarily specifically dodge your shot but in general to throw off aim or go for cover.
Quote from: Slargos on June 29, 2011, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2011, 12:56:25 PM
One thing I do take pains to do, though, is to let the circle tighten completely before firing. I can afford that, since they often don't focus on me while I'm aiming my first shot at them, and they can't focus or do anything else after that first shot hits.
Circle works on a gaussian function. 97.5% of the shots fired will end up somewhere in the circle with around 50% IIRC dead center.
Fully aimed, the accuracy of the 7.5 is 0.31 (meters I presume? not entirely sure) at 100m whereas the 10.5 is 0.48.
That's a tremendous difference.
I'm not saying it's not a significant difference. I'm just saying that it's not a deal-breaker. You also have a bigger target when firing HE shells, since even a turret hit on a tier 8 heavy will do some damage.
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2011, 01:40:35 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 29, 2011, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2011, 12:56:25 PM
One thing I do take pains to do, though, is to let the circle tighten completely before firing. I can afford that, since they often don't focus on me while I'm aiming my first shot at them, and they can't focus or do anything else after that first shot hits.
Circle works on a gaussian function. 97.5% of the shots fired will end up somewhere in the circle with around 50% IIRC dead center.
Fully aimed, the accuracy of the 7.5 is 0.31 (meters I presume? not entirely sure) at 100m whereas the 10.5 is 0.48.
That's a tremendous difference.
I'm not saying it's not a significant difference. I'm just saying that it's not a deal-breaker. You also have a bigger target when firing HE shells, since even a turret hit on a tier 8 heavy will do some damage.
True enough. I think it simply doesn't fit my style. I've tried a few games with it and I'm simply not getting any efficiency out of it.
Aaand another Top Gun. Lost the match though. 5 tanks defending the VP. Managed to kill 1 and damage 3. :mad:
Quote from: Slargos on June 29, 2011, 01:54:10 PM
Aaand another Top Gun. Lost the match though. 5 tanks defending the VP. Managed to kill 1 and damage 3. :mad:
You should try to kill tanks instead of damaging multiple ones. Dead tanks don't shoot at you. Damaged ones do.
Have you played much? I think there is a beginners guide on wiki.
Quote from: Berkut on June 29, 2011, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 29, 2011, 01:54:10 PM
Aaand another Top Gun. Lost the match though. 5 tanks defending the VP. Managed to kill 1 and damage 3. :mad:
You should try to kill tanks instead of damaging multiple ones. Dead tanks don't shoot at you. Damaged ones do.
Have you played much? I think there is a beginners guide on wiki.
:lol:
It was a tricky situation. I was the only one left, and my driver was dead so when I got into position to start picking off the guys capturing the base they were already at 50%. This meant I had to knock them off first. I couldn't get a bead on them without exposing myself to enfilading fire from another pair on an adjoining hill top. Hence I had to take a couple of shots at the guys at the flag to drop their capture score, and then retreat into cover to try to pick off the guys on the hill. I got several good hits in this way but eventually they got me. In addition, some players are actually not that stupid, so the ones getting hit at the flag retreated to cover while the fresher ones kept up their fire.
Hitting someone capping resets the cap counter?
Despite my insistence that the game is just a FPS with a cool skin, and not worth paying a sub for....
I bought enough gold to get a 1 month sub. Fucking game is addicting!
Quote from: Berkut on June 29, 2011, 02:11:54 PM
Hitting someone capping resets the cap counter?
The team cap counter is just the sum of player cap counters. The player who is hit and damaged has his individual cap counter reset.
Quote from: Berkut on June 29, 2011, 02:11:54 PM
Hitting someone capping resets the cap counter?
I believe it's by a factor of how much damage you inflict, but essentially yes.
So if you manage to hit them all, say with a small tactical nuke, it would reset the entire counter. Good to know.
Quote from: DGuller on June 29, 2011, 02:15:50 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 29, 2011, 02:11:54 PM
Hitting someone capping resets the cap counter?
The team cap counter is just the sum of player cap counters. The player who is hit and damaged has his individual cap counter reset.
Well there you have it. Now I understand why sometimes hitting them doesn't do anything to the cap counter. They just got there. :lol:
Aaaand another Top Gun, 2500xp. Against Tier 8-10 no less. I'm having a good day. :D
Damn. I've only managed Top Gun once, in a KV, although I've had countless 5-kill games.
What is Top Gun?
6 kills in one game [which is for some reason exponentially harder than 5 which I've managed far more times than 6]. In that last one I got lucky, which is typically necessary. I had managed to get 5 and as I was racing towards the flag I stumbled on their last Arty who was redeploying after I'd wasted his Screen.
Getting 6 frags requires that your teammates aren't doing a very good job, that you find a good position from which you can either use cover to get the requisite amount of rounds downrange without getting killed yourself, or flanking a force already engaged. I got all three.
Huh, I've done 5 a few times, but don't think I have ever managed 6.
Well. They wouldn't be handing out medals if it was easy. :D
One tank where derp gun doesn't work well at all is the KV. With the 2.7 round per minute firing rate, you're going to be so preoccupied with looking for cover while waiting to reload, that you won't pay any attention to fighting.
Another 5-hitter with the Panzer derp. That gun really unlocked the tank for me. Three of those kills came at an extreme range (500-600 meters).
7!! :yeah: Derp, derp, derp.
Nice.
I guess I need to give it more time to adjust.
Switching between too many different tactics messes me up though. I ran a few games with the t35/38s and suddenly the Tiger which previously felt relatively nimble felt like I was driving a sloth through a bog.
Update rolling out today. Apparently the site couldn't handle the pressure. :mad:
Ah fuck. New voice acting = :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
:lol:
Just tried the American TD line.
Was the American Armoured Corps really that racially integrated? :lol:
Edit: Just got into a fight where 12 out of 15 were US Tier 1 TD. I think I'm going to hold on playing this one for a while until people calm down. :D
What the fuck is up with the new voices? What was wrong with the old ones, without the Russian accent?
http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/44354-link-to-old-in-game-voices/
They go in [gamedir]/res/audio
Two notes:
PzIV with derp gun: I am turning around. Yes, it can actually do some damage, especially so in street fights.
JagdPanther with 10.5: I thought I wouldn't like the lower rate of fire, figuring that a higher ROF would more than make up for the lower damage, but by golly, I have definitely changed my mind.
Quote from: Slargos on June 30, 2011, 08:07:14 AM
:lol:
Just tried the American TD line.
Was the American Armoured Corps really that racially integrated? :lol:
Edit: Just got into a fight where 12 out of 15 were US Tier 1 TD. I think I'm going to hold on playing this one for a while until people calm down. :D
There were a few tank destroyer battalions in the US army that were African American.
Hilarious victory on Himmelsdorf in my 35t. :lol:
Roll up the lane to the east of the park coming from the south, together with one allied tank. We encounter a lone Leichttraktor which retreats after taking about 70% damage. To the north of the park is the enemy line heavily engaged with our left flank. I realize they have no cover in the east and just roll up, park just around the corner and start enfilading their mediums. 2 of their Meds are knocked out before they even realize what's happening, and as they start turning around to face the new threat they are suddenly under fire from three sides and start popping like corn. :menace:
2 meds and 2 lights is certainly not my best score in a tier 1/2 but it is probably the fastest I have ever achieved it.
Ah, the joy of a successful flanking attack.
Watching the enemy scatter infront of you as they struggle to cope with this new direction of attack, but giving them no chance to coordinate their defense.
Picking them off one by one while shells are bouncing off the turret.
Move. Stop. Aim. Fire. Repeat.
Realizing that, for once, your teammates are charging up behind you and abusing your bullet magnetism to their full advantage, instead of hiding behind the last bend waiting for you to die before they will parade up like mooks and get whacked one at a time.
The Tiger, unusually for this commie infested game, doing its god given mission to spearhead the breakthrough.
Glorious. :wub:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.panzerace.net%2Fimages%2Fbiog%2Fwittmann_10.jpg&hash=32d86f69644c2b65fe100d0af510f348a3f35d67)
Epic flag defense. Killed 6 and damaged another 5.
JagdPanther kicks some serious ass in the right conditions. :D
Aaaand I just murdered an IS-3 in close combat by ramming him and forcing his cannon up so he couldn't hit me. Proceeded to wrestle with him for about 30 seconds until I could get in behind him and set his fuel tank on fire. :lmfao:
I love taking on much bigger tanks, finding them in a situation where they can't fight me off, and carefully putting my gun up their rear hull and penetrating them repeatedly. Even the heaviest tank can only take so many rounds point blank in the ass.
Quote from: DGuller on July 04, 2011, 04:28:45 PM
I love taking on much bigger tanks, finding them in a situation where they can't fight me off, and carefully putting my gun up their rear hull and penetrating them repeatedly. Even the heaviest tank can only take so many rounds point blank in the ass.
:D
Pinning an Elephant against a cliff-face with your tiny tank, leaving them unable to turn to target you, and slow enough when attempting to move away that any allies within shooting distance will get time to fire at least 3-4 shots at them.
A more humiliating death is difficult to find.
I guess that would be losing a close quarter brawl as an IS-3 vs a JagdPanther. :D
If you've yet to try out the US TD tree, I can recommend it. The Tier 4 is a fucking beast. Marder on steroids.
Quote from: Slargos on July 05, 2011, 01:27:54 AM
If you've yet to try out the US TD tree, I can recommend it. The Tier 4 is a fucking beast. Marder on steroids.
For the American TD do you recommend the faster shooting cannon with high penetration or the high cal slow shot high damage cannon?
That Wolverine sure looks nice. An American TD with a turning turret? :mmm:
Quote from: Shade on July 05, 2011, 05:00:27 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 05, 2011, 01:27:54 AM
If you've yet to try out the US TD tree, I can recommend it. The Tier 4 is a fucking beast. Marder on steroids.
For the American TD do you recommend the faster shooting cannon with high penetration or the high cal slow shot high damage cannon?
I haven't played them [US TD specifically] enough to form an opinion on that, but while I used to favour rapid fire, I'm starting to lean towards higher calibre. Granted, this is from playing the German TDs which still have reasonable accuracy.
In the end, I think TD doesn't really need rapid fire, since the occasions where you get to keep up continuous fire unmolested are relatively few and you can't really stand for long if you're being focused by even a single enemy tank of equal tier or higher. Unless you're playing Tier 8+ TDs.
A case could be made for rapid fire in tiers 1-4 though, since you'll more or less always penetrate and the speed of the tanks you face will mean you risk missing a lot more shots.
If the howitzer has poor accuracy though (.40-.45+), I'll steer clear regardless. It simply doesn't suit my playing style.
Quote from: DGuller on July 05, 2011, 05:02:25 AM
That Wolverine sure looks nice. An American TD with a turning turret? :mmm:
I'm a bit keen on the T95. Looks pretty damn awesome. :D
I'm actually not too fond of American TD howitzers either, not sure why.
I'm mounting the 76mm M1A1 cannon on the T40, and it packs a nice punch. Granted, it seems to be a Tier 6 cannon on a Tier 4 vehicle, so of course it's going to do some damage.
Far outranks the Hetzer's best cannon, for instance, although of course the hetzer has better armour and I would wager better camo.
I bungled my teching, btw. I managed to research the Tiger II but I don't have the cash to buy it so now I have to grind credits for the first time since tier 3. <_<
I noticed that they're going to change the German tech tree though, and all XP on an elited Tiger I will carry over to the Tiger II so I might just wait for that, depending on how long it takes.
OK, I have to admit I am fully addicted.
I've got one of each primary lines going. Sort of.
My "main" is the German Panther/medium line. Just got into the VK 3001(P). I mean literally just - nothing researched on it but the radios, and it is straight up vanilla. It's funny, I struggled with the Pz III/IV for a long time, and then really the last 50% of the tech grind to the next tier I finally figured out how to play the tank. It has weak armor, a mediocre gun (compared to the stuff it often has to fight), but is crazy fast. Once I started knife fighting with it rather than trying to stand off, I did very well. Almost never lived through a battle, since usually I would be killed by some third party while running circles around someone, but I got a lot more kills.
The VK. Jesus. This thing is
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after the Pz III/IV. Need new engine badly.
I am also working the Soviet heavy line, just about 2k XP away from the KV. The T-28 medium is actually a fun tank, but bizarre. It is freaking huge, but has terrible armor, but a good gun for its tier. So it can kill things, but cannot hide and cannot take a shot. Almost done with it though, I imagine the shift into the KV will be shocking.
Next I am doing the German TD line, about 1/2 the way throught the Hetzer. Uggh. Again, the gun is too weak for many of the matches. Nice little tank, easy to hide, but when you get the drop on a freaking Lowe or something - so what? You can't do anything to them anyway.
Lastly I am screwing around with the American SPG line. Only at the second one right now, but Arty is a diverting break now and again.
More than any other tank I've played so far, KV was so much hate at first, and so much love later.
Quote from: DGuller on July 05, 2011, 09:05:29 AM
More than any other tank I've played so far, KV was so much hate at first, and so much love later.
Based on it just being crap when you first get it but good when it gets upgraded, or based on learning how to play it?
Quote from: Berkut on July 05, 2011, 09:18:24 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 05, 2011, 09:05:29 AM
More than any other tank I've played so far, KV was so much hate at first, and so much love later.
Based on it just being crap when you first get it but good when it gets upgraded, or based on learning how to play it?
Both. KV was my first heavy tank, and its slowness at everything took some getting used to. You can't drive fast, you can't turn the turret fast, you can't aim fast, and you can't fire fast. Your moves need to be more deliberate in that beast.
It is also quite crap stock. KV's one virtue are the two big guns it can sport with the stupid ass turret. Without the big guns, it's just a slow target full of weak points.
Seems like it starts out slow, then gets slower. The engine upgrade doesn't have anymore HP than stock!
How do you find out about weak points?
Quote from: Berkut on July 05, 2011, 10:56:48 AM
Seems like it starts out slow, then gets slower. The engine upgrade doesn't have anymore HP than stock!
How do you find out about weak points?
Not sure about own tank, but you can figure out the weak points of your enemies by pointing a crosshair at them, and seeing which spots give you a green one. It obviously works best with a middling gun: one which is strong enough to be able to penetrate some places, but not strong enough to penetrate every place.
Some weak points can be googled. The popular Löwe, for instance, has several weak spots in the front that if targeted can be easily penetrated. It's possible to penetrate its armour like a hot knife through butter by bouncing a shell against the turret just under the gun mantlet so that it ricochets down into the driver's compartment. It's not something I typically aim for, however, when facing the Löwe. I just aim for the lower glacis and try to spend as little time as possible aiming, since often it's possible to dodge back into cover while he's waiting for his aim to improve.
As a rule of thumb, you can specifically target viewports, hatches and the lower glacis plate. Some tanks also have other weak points, and if you know where the ammo is stored in a tank, or where the engine is located it can be effective to target them.
Generally, if I'm facing a tank head on I simply try to aim for the lower glacis since most of the time you're not close enough to get a reliable shot on such a small target as a view port. Only hit the turret if it's your only target since other than the KV most turrets are poor targets since they're heavily armoured and often sloped. Sometimes I will purposely fire at the gun in order to disable it, and it can be a last-ditch attempt if you're facing a single tank which you can't really hurt. If you get lucky and take out his gun and he doesn't have a repairkit you have anywhere between 20-30 seconds to try to get in behind him and get a few shots in.
Bigger SPGs can typically take a lot of damage, but if you manage to sneak a shell in past the armour they're typically easy to take out. Same goes for the low tier german and US TDs who have open turrets or casemates.
If all else fails, try for a shot in their ass. :D
Don't forget that if they are angled in a way that your shell won't hit at or close to 90 degrees, the probability of a bounce is increased, so always try to aim for areas of the tank with the greater or smaller angle than about 30 degrees. Same goes for your own tank of course. If you can help it, don't face your attacker head on. Always slightly angle your tank.
So if one wanted to go blow up douchebags like oh i don't know...racists Swedes who can't make a living in their own country so have to be dirty ex-pat, how would one go about this?
You'd have to join the Euro server. And unfortunately there are server checks on TK so you can't pull your usual shenanigans, but have to OFFICIALLY be a part of the opposing team. :P
Bah!
I was looking through the section about this game on another forum and noticed there were some skins you can use to show you where the different weak spots/compartments/etc are on the various tanks. Useful as a "training aid," and no, the devs don't care if you use it. B&W version is available for those who don't like multicolored tanks. Dude also said he'd be putting together some screenshots for those who didn't want to use the skins in game, etc.
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/38001-hitzones-skins-for-actual-version-065-topic-updated/
I have better links in case those are really slow for you. I also see the WoT official forums haven't gotten any better.
What is with the KV research?
You have an engine that is no improvement over vanilla, and a turrent that is actually WORSE than vanilla? I don't get it.
The turret is required to house the very big guns, and it does have more hitpoints. Hitpoints come in hand when the light tank is circling you and firing at your impressive turret, while you're trying to catch him at 2 degrees of rotation per hour.
Quote from: Berkut on July 05, 2011, 09:22:51 PM
What is with the KV research?
You have an engine that is no improvement over vanilla, and a turrent that is actually WORSE than vanilla? I don't get it.
The KV wasn't that good a tank in reality.
It was crap against good tanks, but it did a number on the lightly armed and lightly armored German tanks that first marched into Soviet Union. Many KVs would keep knocking out Germans until they broke or ran out of ammo, which would be often. That's pretty much what the in-game KV is like too.
Quote from: DGuller on July 06, 2011, 12:15:09 PM
It was crap against good tanks, but it did a number on the lightly armed and lightly armored German tanks that first marched into Soviet Union. Many KVs would keep knocking out Germans until they broke or ran out of ammo, which would be often. That's pretty much what the in-game KV is like too.
Of course, in the game you aren't going up against a bunch of PzIIIs and PZIVs. You are going up against Korean war era heavy tanks.
The KV was a huge frustration until I got the Tier 6 tanks and TDs. Up until then it felt like an extremely unreasonable vehicle.
Quote from: DGuller on July 06, 2011, 12:15:09 PM
It was crap against good tanks, but it did a number on the lightly armed and lightly armored German tanks that first marched into Soviet Union. Many KVs would keep knocking out Germans until they broke or ran out of ammo, which would be often. That's pretty much what the in-game KV is like too.
It was crap because it was so poorly made that it broke down constantly. Any tank that requires a hammer to change the gears is not a good tank.
Quote from: Slargos on July 06, 2011, 07:13:06 PM
The KV was a huge frustration until I got the Tier 6 tanks and TDs. Up until then it felt like an extremely unreasonable vehicle.
That doesn't make any sense.
Woo-hoo, the old voices are back, at least on the American server version. I don't want to sound like a homophobe, but that new voice was just horrific.
Quote from: Berkut on July 06, 2011, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 06, 2011, 07:13:06 PM
The KV was a huge frustration until I got the Tier 6 tanks and TDs. Up until then it felt like an extremely unreasonable vehicle.
That doesn't make any sense.
I died to it. Often. And plenty.
See KV.
Get dead.
They aren't as scary now, but when I first started playing they were these implacable behemoths who could not be penetrated with any gun in my arsenal. No choice but to run or die.
Quote from: DGuller on July 06, 2011, 09:06:49 PM
Woo-hoo, the old voices are back, at least on the American server version. I don't want to sound like a homophobe, but that new voice was just horrific.
Yeah, took me about 1 game to decide I wanted them back, and 5 games to confirm I wasn't just being bitchy about change. You can switch out the voices yourself aswell.
OK, the KV with the 152mm gun is just plain fun.
I turned a corner in behind an M36. 152mm gun from about 10 feet away in the rear turret? Yeah, that didn't work out so great for him.
My medium is up to the VK3001. A decidedly mediocre tank until I finally got the 75L70 into it. Now it is just kind of mediocre. Working on the 88L56, which may make it moderately mediocre.
My TD is up to a StuggIII. Does not dominate nearly as much as the Hetzer did, since now it has to go up against a bunch of stuff it cannot touch, but can one shot it with ease.
The match making system really does suck. It creates matches fast, which is good, but it is a rare match than I look at and think "Hey, these are all pretty competetive...". Mostly it is chum against sharks.
And anyone who is using a Lowe is a giant pussy.
Is this friendly for noobs? In other words, is my brand new non-upgraded started tank going to be fighting against IS-III's?
Quote from: Stonewall on July 08, 2011, 02:02:54 PM
Is this friendly for noobs? In other words, is my brand new non-upgraded started tank going to be fighting against IS-III's?
No, it won't. There are ten "tiers" of tanks in increasing quality.
Your Tier 1 starting tank will only fight against Tiers 1-3 or so.
Quote from: Berkut on July 08, 2011, 02:07:51 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on July 08, 2011, 02:02:54 PM
Is this friendly for noobs? In other words, is my brand new non-upgraded started tank going to be fighting against IS-III's?
No, it won't. There are ten "tiers" of tanks in increasing quality.
Your Tier 1 starting tank will only fight against Tiers 1-3 or so.
Excellent. Downloading...
It is a lot of fun. The frsutrating part is not so much T1 against T3 (since there will be lots of other T1s about, and even the T3s can be taken out if you aren't stupid), it is the T4 against T7 or T8 that you run into a lot. The differences can become pretty extreme, with vanilla T5s basically being useless against higher tiers.
The Löwe is a fantastic money making machine.
A loss typically nets me between 15-20k after repairs and restock, while a victory can net anywhere up to around 80k.
It's also good practice for Heavies, even if your game suffers a lot initially since the methods you use as a heavy differs so massively from the lights and mediums.
I am at a cross-roads.
I have more or less simultaneously researched the Ferdinand, and the King Tiger. The cost of tanks is getting so huge now, however, that I can't get both. I'll have to get one and then possibly begin the great grind towards the other, but it's also going to mean I can't keep upgrading my other tanks.
Should I get the KT or the Ferdi? :hmm:
You are dead to me Loweby.
So since i can't blow up Slargos, can i still kill the Wildkut?
In theory you can, but in reality it is very unlikely.
Quote from: Berkut on July 08, 2011, 05:38:15 PM
In theory you can, but in reality it is very unlikely.
:shifty:
Pointer for leveling.
One of the toughest things to do is get XP out of a brand new vehicle. You've moved up a Tier, which means you are going to be fighting against tougher opponenets, yet your vehicle is likely pretty "vanilla" with just the basic equipment for its class.
So, when you are leveling a tier, a lot of times you will have the option of researching a particular piece of equipment, say a new gun, that is also available on the *next* tier, but NOT required on either.
You may be tempted to think "Hey, I will just save my XP to get into that next vehicle, and research that gun at that time, rather than doing so now...". Sometimes this is the right choice.
But more often than not, you are better off researching it now instead of later. While you get more XP the higher up the tier ladder you go, if you research that gun at this tier, you are doing the research work without having that gun against lower tier opponents. And of course you will get to use it against lower tier opponents.
IMO, most of the time you are better off researching components at the lower tiers rather than the higher, unless the jump from the vehicle itself is very significant.
As an example, when I go from the StuggIII to the JagsPazIV, I will already have 4/7 the possible research items already done. More importantly, I will already have the 75L70 gun researched, so the moment I step into that Tier VI TD, I will be able to get a better gun than the vanilla into it. Had I NOT researched that gun at the TV level, my shiny new T-VI TD would still have the same gun my T5 TD had, but have to use it against generally higher level opponenets.
Yeah, that's what I usually do, unless I absolutely despise the lower tier tank and want to get out of it ASAP.
That long 122mm gun on the KV-1S sure is nice, I've had a couple of 5 hitters with it. One time I even knocked out 4 heavies, 1 Slugger, and heavily damaged another Lowe with it. But, damn, is that ammo expensive. Good thing the gun shoots 4 rounds a minute, because it shoots 1,000 credits a pop.
Finally I'm rid of Lee. That day couldn't come soon enough. Whoever designed that steaming pile should be forced to fight in a Lee, or at least have his genitals mutilated and eyes gouged out.
AAR 1st battle report
In my trusty T1 Cunningham Lovingly nicknamed "Opie" we followed all the other tanks as had no idea where to go. set up an ambush with two other tanks and quickly helped kill 4 of the enemy, atcually getting killing blow on 1 of them.
Procceded to keep moving and stay near the bigger tanks for rest of battle only to die to a T-45(?) right before we completed capturing the enemy base.
I am Berkutt on the American server, btw.
I'm DGuller. :)
Wow, that Sherman rocks. With its quick gun, I was able to fire about 50 shots at the enemy in one game, and land 40 of them. The only disadvantage is that 35 of them bounced, and the rest did minimal damage.
Quote from: Berkut on July 08, 2011, 11:58:55 PM
I am Berkutt on the American server, btw.
Yeah i added both of you two, but couldn't tell if were online.
As i have to leave early for wedding i stopped after 4 battles, had total of 2 kills to 2 destroyed but my side won all 4 battles.
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2011, 12:20:15 AM
Wow, that Sherman rocks. With its quick gun, I was able to fire about 50 shots at the enemy in one game, and land 40 of them. The only disadvantage is that 35 of them bounced, and the rest did minimal damage.
I switched to the derp gun, and it works quite well. That plinker is excellent against weaker targets, but it seems most of the time you'll be staring down the barrel of heavier tanks and it won't be of much use.
Yeah, I switched too, and it makes a world of difference. From now on, derp gun is going to be the default choice for me, and I'll change it out only if it proves too be too high-maintenance. I've also given the derp gun another try in T40, and it also worked out much better. It was nice to lay back in ambush, and 1-shot 4 enemies in a row as the drove up the road without a worry in their minds.
Argh, the new TK rules suck. Now every time some idiot on your team moves into the line of fire you carefully setup up just as you pull the trigger, and gets shot in the ass, you pay a huge fine.
If it happens to you THAT often I think you're doing something wrnog. :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on July 09, 2011, 03:13:04 AM
If it happens to you THAT often I think you're doing something wrnog. :hmm:
It happen about once every 10 games for me. I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, the fact that I'm trying to shoot from the farthest possible distance is nothing to be ashamed of. I just don't have the reaction time to stop myself from shooting when at the last second an idiot ally drives into the shot.
I decided on the Ferdinand.
First time I've had a Tiger staring right at me and deciding to not take the shot, rather just retreat. :lol:
Granted, he was more or less fucked since he was heavily outnumbered, but seeing him aim at me for a few seconds and instead of taking a wild shot just reversing the hell out of there was just glorious. :cool:
Well. I'm having a horrible fucking day.
About 1/5 victory rate. YAY.
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I just got the 88L56 for my VK3001. I think I am actually going to switch back to the 75L70.
Wow, the Sherman with the derp gun rocks just as much as the Panzer IV with the derp gun does. I've had better than 1-1 kill ratio almost out of the box with it, which is unusual for me.
I think the game does a good job of illustrating what was learned about the use of armor in WW2: all this "specialization" doesn't work. You are almost always just better of in a bigger, more heavily armed tank. There is no stone-paper-scissors.
That ignores the strategic considerations, though, which were paramount. In real life, T-34s, Shermans, and Panzer IVs were better because many more of them can be produced, not because they could take on any tank. I'd rather be present with Panzers than be absent with Tigers. There is no such strategic trade-off in the game.
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2011, 04:02:49 PM
I'd rather be present with Panzers than be absent with Tigers.
[annoying nitpick] The Tiger is a Panzer though. [/annoying nitpick]
So, as somebody who prefers strategy games such as EU and CIV and rarely plays online, is this game genuinely worth a look?
It's free to try, and if you're a masochist, it can even be free to continue playing. It does have an extremely addictive quality to it that I can't quite explain.
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2011, 04:02:49 PM
That ignores the strategic considerations, though, which were paramount. In real life, T-34s, Shermans, and Panzer IVs were better because many more of them can be produced, not because they could take on any tank. I'd rather be present with Panzers than be absent with Tigers. There is no such strategic trade-off in the game.
But at the time that the mediums dominated the war, they were the "main battle tank". By the end of the war, the mediums were all upgunned and armored as much as possible, with all major combatants coming out with replacement "mediums" that were heavier than early war heavy tanks, but still intending to be "medium" as far as role was concerned. The Panther was nearly 50 tons, for example. The US Pershing as well, although the US called it a "heavy" tank during the war, it was really a medium (and classified as such once the war was over).
The traditional "heavy" (meaning a tank considerably more armored than the medium and intended for some special role rather than just general purpose) tank was just as obsoleted as the lights as the war went on. It took a while, because everyone was enamored with the idea that tanks would ahve varying roles, like ships. The Americans pushed the TD concept, the Germans had the entire gamut from light to medium to heavy, the Brits their "Cruiser" vs medium tanks, etc. etc. The Soviets, IMO, were the frst to really understand that the concept of light/medium/heavy was not the future, although they were helped a lot by having stumbled on the first truly modern "main battle tank" at least in theory in the T-34 nice an early.
As time went on, the concept of the main battle tank became the de facto standard, with everyone moving towards a single design that would fulfill almost all roles on the battlefield. The fact that this did not happen in WW2 is a matter of the war ending before that evolution reached its conclusion, but it was certainly moving in that direction from '42 on.
I WoT, the "heavy" tanks are in fact the main battle tank of post WW2 philosophy. And there is no job in the game that a Tier 9 medium can do better than a Tier 9 heavy, for the most part, at least as far as I can tell.
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2011, 04:02:49 PM
In real life, T-34s, Shermans, and Panzer IVs were better because many more of them can be produced, not because they could take on any tank. I'd rather be present with Panzers than be absent with Tigers.
Actually, the Panzer IV was continued to be produced simply because the Germans could not take the time to shift production of their factories over the the Panther, which was actually no more expensive to make due to more advanced production techniques.
The Sherman was, IMO, largely a mistake (or rather it was an excellent tank when designed and first built, then the US simply stopped improving it until they were forced to do so) based on flawed ideas about the roles of various tanks. Note that almost immediately after the war the US ditched the insistence on a relatively light medium tank and became one of the primary proponents of the MBT, with considerable success. Still, the Sherman was good enough, and while I still think it was a mistake, it was a mistake once made that was likely better to stick with and get the war over with than try to fix.
The T-34 was an outstanding tank that the Soviets rode as long as they were able, upgunning and uparmoring it constantly, but they knew pretty quickly it was not the future of the Red Army's post-war tank force - it was too small to function as a post war main battle tank. It was the IS line that ended up spawning the future of Soviet tank design. Even its replacement was quickly abandoned.
I can't stand that T1 heap of junk. I swear, I'm getting like 200 XP per battle with that thing. At that rate, I'll be dead of old age before I advance on the American heavy tank line.
I created a Languish channel. I called it Languish.
Wow, at least T1's utter crappiness is good for one thing, and that's racking up awards. I fired 51 shots at Malinovka, and scored 31 hits. Of course, I didn't actually kill anyone with those shots, despite landing 31 of them, since US heavy tanks are not equipped with a gun strong enough to kill tanks. However, I damaged 7 tanks, and netted myself a triple award of Confederate, Master Gunner, and Sharpshooter. Never had 3 awards from one battle.
Now that I by necessity mastered the art of hanging back and firing from behind the lines, I tried the long gun on the Pz IV again. Works well too.
My trusted Pz IV has been retired with full honors, now that it researched everything worth researching (i.e. everything except Hummel). Now on to VK3601H.
Speaking of that tank, I really, really love the conical gun. On paper it seems like such a weak gun, but I can reliable score plenty of damage from a distance, and a couple of kills. This gun certainly teaches you how to be a sniper like nothing else.
interesting analysis, berk, but wrong on one point which i shall later elaborate on :hmm: :hmm:
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2011, 11:17:38 PM
My trusted Pz IV has been retired with full honors, now that it researched everything worth researching (i.e. everything except Hummel). Now on to VK3601H.
Speaking of that tank, I really, really love the conical gun. On paper it seems like such a weak gun, but I can reliable score plenty of damage from a distance, and a couple of kills. This gun certainly teaches you how to be a sniper like nothing else.
the conical sucks ass. remember that dmgdealt determines xp, not kills. the only theoretical uses for it is taking out modules or loadinggold ammo.
Quote from: Slargos on July 09, 2011, 11:51:17 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2011, 11:17:38 PM
My trusted Pz IV has been retired with full honors, now that it researched everything worth researching (i.e. everything except Hummel). Now on to VK3601H.
Speaking of that tank, I really, really love the conical gun. On paper it seems like such a weak gun, but I can reliable score plenty of damage from a distance, and a couple of kills. This gun certainly teaches you how to be a sniper like nothing else.
the conical sucks ass. remember that dmgdealt determines xp, not kills. the only theoretical uses for it is taking out modules or loadinggold ammo.
Oh, I know that. But I'm actually able to deal lots of damage, a little at a time, and to many tanks. If I'm far enough away from my victim, I can somewhat reliably take out his tracks the first time, then try to take out his gun, then just keep chipping away at him. All those merciless hits add up.
Another advantage is that I can even hit higher tier tanks without a worry, and that gives the bonus for damage dealt to higher tiers. Yet another advantage is that if you track someone and arty finishes them off, you get part of the credit for it.
Just had a typical battle in a 3601. Only killed one, and that one was almost dead. However, I also damaged 6 tanks, including two Pershings and a SU-152. Doesn't seem like a remarkable battle, but I still netted over a 1,000 XP from it. It's a quiet killer, in more than one ways, this conical gun is.
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2011, 11:56:18 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 09, 2011, 11:51:17 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2011, 11:17:38 PM
My trusted Pz IV has been retired with full honors, now that it researched everything worth researching (i.e. everything except Hummel). Now on to VK3601H.
Speaking of that tank, I really, really love the conical gun. On paper it seems like such a weak gun, but I can reliable score plenty of damage from a distance, and a couple of kills. This gun certainly teaches you how to be a sniper like nothing else.
the conical sucks ass. remember that dmgdealt determines xp, not kills. the only theoretical uses for it is taking out modules or loadinggold ammo.
Oh, I know that. But I'm actually able to deal lots of damage, a little at a time, and to many tanks. If I'm far enough away from my victim, I can somewhat reliably take out his tracks the first time, then try to take out his gun, then just keep chipping away at him. All those merciless hits add up.
Another advantage is that I can even hit higher tier tanks without a worry, and that gives the bonus for damage dealt to higher tiers. Yet another advantage is that if you track someone and arty finishes them off, you get part of the credit for it.
Very true.
Quote from: Slargos on July 09, 2011, 11:45:33 PM
interesting analysis, berk, but wrong on one point which i shall later elaborate on :hmm: :hmm:
And now that I'm on a real keyboard, here's my chance.
I've seen the T-54 take on 2-3 heavies in close combat and come out ahead. Its speed and agility means it can maneuver into positions where less skilled opponents can't take a shot. It is also extremely effective in taking out enemy arty.
In this sense, though perhaps not in reality, there is actually a function for a lighter, quicker tank not only for recon but also in combat.
[But then, the Soviet tank line is ridiculously overpowered. They are fast, carry heavy artillery, and are heavily armoured with relatively few weak points and good sloping. Their only real disadvantage is slightly less accurate guns.]
You will start seeing these types of plays beginning in earnest with the T-43 (and to a lesser degree, the Panther and Pershing [or Patton now, I guess])
They play a bit like lights but can actually do serious damage to heavies.
Yeah. I'd also say that T54, and not IS, is what defined the Soviet MBT design.
Losing streak again today.
I keep holding my end of the line, mostly, but the other flank just withers away like they were shooting at eachother rather than the enemy. :frusty:
Haven't had so many frustrating matches in a row in weeks.
Got my first Top Gun today, in the KV/107.
Quote from: Berkut on July 10, 2011, 05:59:48 PM
Got my first Top Gun today, in the KV/107.
That's what I got a first top gun with as well. That's a lethal combination, if the matchmaker works your way.
I wonder if I've said something stupid, and they've put some sort of nerf on me.
I sometimes yell at people.
It's a quirk.
Today my team was pitted against their top 3 of Object, JagdTiger and IS-7.
Our top 3, you ask?
1. T30.
Wait for it.
Waaaaait for it.
2. Löwe. 3. Löwe
:bleeding: :frusty:
Seems extremely fair.
It just will not end.
Wolverine? Turn a corner and get one-shot by a Hetzer's Derp.
Löwe? Stick my head out one brief second, get tracked and engine killed within moments.
I just played a match where the match maker for ONCE had vastly overstacked MY team, and more or less the entire component of heavies went up the hill on Campinovka so I figures this HAS to be an easy game for my Tiger.
Wrong.
Get up the fucking hill, and despite being one among 8 tanks on the line, it appears the arty and 5 tanks on THEIR hill assault are all targeting me. Get bumped down to 50% before even being able to fire a shot.
Tracked, repair track, fire, get back into cover.
Stick my nose out again, and despite being one of now 7 tanks, the fucking moment I head back into the line HELLO INCOMING ROUNDS. Gun taken out, ammo hit, 5%.
It's just not my day.
You deserve it for being a Lowe bitch.
Just got my KV-3. I miss the KV already, that was probably my favorite tank. Once you get the 152mm derp or the 107mm cannon of doom, that is a LOT of fun to play.
My first match in the KV-3, I was the 2nd to last on the list, and I saw my first Tier 10 heavies. I didn't last long.
How the hell did you progress through KV so fast? It took me a while with it.
As for KV-3, IMO that tank is not even a dog, it's the stuff that comes out the dog's rear. I could not get to grips with it at all. That's the first tank I gave up on, and which made me go up a different tree branch.
Thankfully, I still had KV in working order and properly staffed, so I just grinded some more with it until I could get KV-1S. That's a definite improvement, although still a bit subpar for the tiers it usually fights with.
Did you have the 107mm researched for the KV-3?
Quote from: Berkut on July 11, 2011, 11:40:59 AM
Did you have the 107mm researched for the KV-3?
I had everything short of IS researched for it. Didn't really help no matter what I did. My best result was a whopping 1 tank destroyed.
Quote from: DGuller on July 11, 2011, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 11, 2011, 11:40:59 AM
Did you have the 107mm researched for the KV-3?
I had everything short of IS researched for it. Didn't really help no matter what I did. My best result was a whopping 1 tank destroyed.
Huh. I have the 107mm researched for it from the KV, but cannot use it yet, and I am doing ok with just the 85mm and the only thing useful researched on the tank is the radio.
Probably all comes down to matches. If I get in a match where I am in the middle of the pack tier wise, I can do all right. But if I am in the lower half, that 85mm gun is something of a joke.
Quote from: Berkut on July 11, 2011, 09:04:11 AM
You deserve it for being a Lowe bitch.
Indeed, nothing worse than a Lowe player
Wait, one that complains, tháts worse.
FUCK THIS ARTILLERY RIDDEN PIECE OF SHIT WHORE GAME AND FUCK YOU DUTCH SON OF A SYPHILIC PROSTITUTE I HOPE YOU CATCH THE AIDS AND YOUR BALLS FALL OF ROTTING.
So, has your luck changed? :)
Yep the Slargos way, start yelling at game then quit when the going gets rough.
:yes:
Ragequitting : a Slargosian tradition.
Quote from: DGuller on July 11, 2011, 05:00:13 PM
So, has your luck changed? :)
:D
I got one-hit by Arty in my Ferdinand after getting one shot off. I'm not losing every game, but it damn well near feels like it.
Quote from: katmai on July 11, 2011, 08:54:51 PM
Yep the Slargos way, start yelling at game then quit when the going gets rough.
:lol:
Fuck you, spic.
What the fuck is up with the T-46? I've played 10-15 games and I've been bottom four in all of them. :bleeding:
My little MS-1 with the 45mm gun on it was fun for tier 1. I now have an almost fully upgraded BT-2. Just waiting on the silver coins to mount my final engine upgrade. It'a amazing how different the experience in that tank is when grouped with T1's. I still haven't decided whether I'm going to use the 23mm autocannon or the 45mm that I currently have equipped.
I am predisposed to find nice cover and snipe from distance, but the BT-2 strength is in its speed. Does your crew always start out with 50% experience on new tanks or can I use my older more trained up crew on new machines?
Not sure I like the Russian tanks. I may go German.
Fun game, though.
Ah, BTs. Racing across the map at 60 kph was a fun experience, especially when you're not only the fastest, but also the strongest tank out there.
I am regretting the BT as my choice of T2 tank. I'd like to get into the Soviet TD's, and the AT-1 was the next logical choice, and only half the price! No idea why I chose the BT.
It is worth grinding crew skills out to 100 on these lower tiered tanks?
Quote from: Stonewall on July 12, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
I am regretting the BT as my choice of T2 tank. I'd like to get into the Soviet TD's, and the AT-1 was the next logical choice, and only half the price! No idea why I chose the BT.
It is worth grinding crew skills out to 100 on these lower tiered tanks?
No, definitely not, what would be the point? Advance as quick as you can into better tanks. Don't worry about crew skills until you get to tier 4/5, basic training is fine before then.
Quote from: Slargos on July 11, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
FUCK THIS ARTILLERY RIDDEN PIECE OF SHIT WHORE GAME AND FUCK YOU DUTCH SON OF A SYPHILIC PROSTITUTE I HOPE YOU CATCH THE AIDS AND YOUR BALLS FALL OF ROTTING.
How did you know arty was my main? :P
Quote from: Stonewall on July 12, 2011, 09:13:42 AM
My little MS-1 with the 45mm gun on it was fun for tier 1. I now have an almost fully upgraded BT-2. Just waiting on the silver coins to mount my final engine upgrade. It'a amazing how different the experience in that tank is when grouped with T1's. I still haven't decided whether I'm going to use the 23mm autocannon or the 45mm that I currently have equipped.
I am predisposed to find nice cover and snipe from distance, but the BT-2 strength is in its speed. Does your crew always start out with 50% experience on new tanks or can I use my older more trained up crew on new machines?
Not sure I like the Russian tanks. I may go German.
Fun game, though.
I prefer the autocannons on the lights since you don't really have time to stop and aim. Autocannon also works well for peekaboo since most people wait for aiming before they fire you can just spray and pray and duck back into cover.
You can reuse your old crew but since you have to retrain them you lose most of the progress. I like keeping the same crew however since they also accrue medals.
I only stopped bringing the crew with me once I switched to the Ferdinand, since I really like running the JagdPanther and plan on keeping it. Might bring them once I get the StugE.
Once you get up to tier 4+ you can start training your crews to 75%.
Quote from: Seen on July 12, 2011, 10:22:20 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 11, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
FUCK THIS ARTILLERY RIDDEN PIECE OF SHIT WHORE GAME AND FUCK YOU DUTCH SON OF A SYPHILIC PROSTITUTE I HOPE YOU CATCH THE AIDS AND YOUR BALLS FALL OF ROTTING.
How did you know arty was my main? :P
Because you're a fucking dick. It's simple logics. :P
And again with the Ferdi. Rocking some pretty good damage by virtue of being late into the game and not able to rush to the front line.
Run forward after half the enemy team is already dead and...
BAM.
Direct hit by arty.
Lights out.
God I hate the artillery.
You should try not sitting in one place for so long, I think that helps.
Quote from: Berkut on July 12, 2011, 10:52:36 AM
You should try not sitting in one place for so long, I think that helps.
:lol:
You mother FUCKER.
I am allergic to camping. I was on the move when he hit me.
The thing is that Ferdinand on the move is more stationary than most other tanks that are actually stopped.
Quote from: DGuller on July 12, 2011, 11:21:02 AM
The thing is that Ferdinand on the move is more stationary than most other tanks that are actually stopped.
It's actually quite nimble. It just looks slow.
Hey DG, I wonder what happened with the KV-3 with you, because I am having pretty good success with it. Rating success as kills/match, my KV-3 is sitting at 0.58 right now after 41 matches. That compares pretty well with the KV (0.77 after 113 matches), which has been my most successful overall of the mid-tier vehicles.
What I am really having trouble with is the T6 VK3001. AFter 129 matches (most matches of any vehicle type) I am at 0.42 kills/match. What worries me is that it doesn't really seem like the T7 medium is any better.
I just got the VK3001, and I'm not very happy with it. Top speed is good but it feels a bit sluggish.
I'm not used to driving these types though, which might explain my problems with it. I'm going to try driving it like a TD and see if my results improve.
So far I'm 3 games in and I've hardly dented my opposition. First game some fucker on my team in a KV-5 wasted me after we were in a fender-bender in the spawn. <_<
Quote from: Slargos on July 13, 2011, 09:15:19 AM
I just got the VK3001, and I'm not very happy with it. Top speed is good but it feels a bit sluggish.
I'm not used to driving these types though, which might explain my problems with it. I'm going to try driving it like a TD and see if my results improve.
So far I'm 3 games in and I've hardly dented my opposition. First game some fucker on my team in a KV-5 wasted me after we were in a fender-bender in the spawn. <_<
I love the mobility of it - it is light tank fast.
The gun (I am using the 88, although I am not really convinced it is better than the 75) leaves something to be desired, but only because you are so often going up against T6 and T7 heavies. I went with the 88 just because I figure that pens are not going to happen as often as I would like, so I might as well get as much damage out of it as I can.
Against T5/T6 mediums, it does a very nice job. You just don't get to go up against those that often. You really need the upgraded turret though.
Post your stats!
Total battles: 950
Win/loss: 444/489 (47% wins)
Kills: 558
Deaths: 794
Uggh, 220 more deaths than kills!
Quote from: Berkut on July 13, 2011, 07:54:16 AM
Hey DG, I wonder what happened with the KV-3 with you, because I am having pretty good success with it. Rating success as kills/match, my KV-3 is sitting at 0.58 right now after 41 matches. That compares pretty well with the KV (0.77 after 113 matches), which has been my most successful overall of the mid-tier vehicles.
What I am really having trouble with is the T6 VK3001. AFter 129 matches (most matches of any vehicle type) I am at 0.42 kills/match. What worries me is that it doesn't really seem like the T7 medium is any better.
I can't put my finger on it, just general suckage. IIRC, I had 4 kills in 18 matches. It just seemed like an even heavier version of KV, without any firepower upgrade, and one tier higher than the tank it doesn't improve upon.
Well it certainly has MUCH better armor - 130/120 compared to 95/75. But I think other than that, yeah, it isn't really much of an improvement over the KV. Basically the same firepower, a little slower. More HPs I guess, but when you are getting lit up by a Lowe or T29 that doesn't matter much.
I shudder to think what the last couple of days have done to my stats. My losing streak seems to be never ending.
I dropped from 68% to 60% in my JagdPanther. :bleeding:
Played: 1491 (49% victories)
Survived: 360 (I didn't realize my survival rate was that low :lol: )
Destroyed: 1204
My favourite tank so far is the JagdPanther in which my stats are Games/Victories/Destroyed 155/94/206.
More importantly though my average damage output is 1167 per game in the JagdPanther.
Quote from: Berkut on July 13, 2011, 10:04:59 AM
Post your stats!
Total battles: 950
Win/loss: 444/489 (47% wins)
Kills: 558
Deaths: 794
Uggh, 220 more deaths than kills!
Total battles: 1,647
Win/loss: 783/838 (48% wins)
Kills: 1,116
Deaths: 1,369
Quote from: Slargos on July 13, 2011, 10:21:14 AM
Played: 1491 (49% victories)
Survived: 360 (I didn't realize my survival rate was that low :lol: )
Destroyed: 1204
My favourite tank so far is the JagdPanther in which my stats are Games/Victories/Destroyed 155/94/206.
More importantly though my average damage output is 1167 per game in the JagdPanther.
My best statistical performance typically comes with arty. I only have kill/games ratio above 1 for three tanks: Sturmpanzer II, Grille, and surprisingly T14 (which I despised and eventually sold).
Total Battles:8
Win/loss: 6/2
Kills: 2
Deaths: 5
:P
Not that I would be playing when I should be working, but I am racking up a lot of creds going between my StugIII and KV today...I am glad I listened when someone told me not to sell my KV when I got the KV-3.
I still have my KV, but only because I want to get a free KV-2 and a set of crews. It's been stripped down, and its crew was retrained. I guess I'll have to go hard on the KV-1S to milk the Prokhorovka promotion.
I have now researched the 88 gun on my 3601, and the funny thing is that I still prefer the conical pin-pricker. My combat effectiveness just seems to be higher with the conical gun even when compared to the 88. I manage to kill more, and damage much more, with it.
Maybe it's psychological; I know that close encounter with the enemy is certain death with the conical gun, so I take extra precautions to stay away from the enemy, which is something that is beneficial in general.
What goes into the ROF calculation? My M10 is using the M1A2 76mm gun which has a ROF of 22, but if you look at the tanks stats, it says only 16.something.
Which tanks stats? The ones I'm thinking of are true for the stock configuration.
Quote from: DGuller on July 13, 2011, 10:11:37 PM
Which tanks stats? The ones I'm thinking of are true for the stock configuration.
No, when you right click on a tank in your garage (or on the research screen) those stats are for your tank as it is configured.
Total Battles:17
Win/loss: 12/5
Kills: 10
Deaths: 10
I feel like getting better, entered battle by accident in the light German tank only to get 3 kills :lol:
Looks like you're getting the hang of it pretty quickly. I had nowhere near those stats when I started.
Well way too many of these people just bum rush the opponents flag, so i'm able to sit back there and just shoot away.
Games Played: 223
Victories: 99 (44%)
Defeats: 119 (53%)
Battles Survived: 51 (23%)
Damn I suck.
Games: 153
Victories: 64
Defeats: 87
Survived: 59
Destroyed: 99
Even though my stats suck, the game is fun, although it's starting to get frustrating not being able to get any xp from the Pz III Ausf A, because I am constantly in battles with 5 Tier 4 and 5 vehicles.
99 kills in 153 games is not bad at all. And yeah, there are some "levels" that are a pain in the ass to level through because of the way the matchmaker works sometimes.
However, the PzIII has some very fun characteristics. It is fast, fast, fast. Use that. Don't try to sit back and snipe with it - you will just die. Stay behind hills, move up to the enemy, and pounce on them at short range. Use the auto-aim function "E" to keep your gun pointed at your target while you race around it in a circle pumping shells into it at short range. You will hit fine with the auto-aimer at short range, and your target will have a hard time getting his gun on you.
This won't always work of course, but it is great fun to plink away at a SU-100 that is vainly try to get a shot off at you.
A great move is to come out of cover under speed on the flank of your target, nail them several times while you run behind them, then shoot back off into cover before they even get a shot off.
What consumables do you guys typically use, if any?
I generally keep a fire extinguisher and repair kit on each active vehicle. I don't always use them though, only when it seems like a critical situation (track destroyed, need to get moving now).
I also use camo nets on my TDs. Thinking about buying a single binocular, since that is de-mountable and able to be moved around.
Quote from: Berkut on July 14, 2011, 11:15:45 AM
What consumables do you guys typically use, if any?
I generally keep a fire extinguisher and repair kit on each active vehicle. I don't always use them though, only when it seems like a critical situation (track destroyed, need to get moving now).
I also use camo nets on my TDs. Thinking about buying a single binocular, since that is de-mountable and able to be moved around.
I don't use any consumables, they seem to be way too expensive for one time use, unless I'm missing something. I do use plenty of permanent equipment, though. Any heavy duty tank will have all three slots filled. I have a rammer on every tank, as well as some combination of gun-laying drive, binocular telescope, camo net, and ventilation.
Wow, I was almost thinking the opposite - the equipment seems crazy expensive, especially the permanent stuff. All three slots would effectively double the cost of the vehicle!
Bust 3,000 to get a track back up, or put out of a fire? Seems cheap.
It is a big investment, but it's a one-time investment, and you can move it from tank to tank as you progress.
Quote from: DGuller on July 14, 2011, 12:13:04 PM
It is a big investment, but it's a one-time investment, and you can move it from tank to tank as you progress.
Most of them you cannot. Like rammers, gun laying drives, etc.
Quote from: Berkut on July 14, 2011, 11:15:45 AM
What consumables do you guys typically use, if any?
I generally keep a fire extinguisher and repair kit on each active vehicle. I don't always use them though, only when it seems like a critical situation (track destroyed, need to get moving now).
I also use camo nets on my TDs. Thinking about buying a single binocular, since that is de-mountable and able to be moved around.
I keep one of each kind on every tank, save for the Tier 1-3.
I typically use repair if I get my engine or gun hit or destroyed, or if I'm in the open and get tracked. Saved me a lot of times. Since you don't pay unless you use them, there's no cost in equipping them. If you need them they usually pay for themselves. Just don't use them if you're almost dead, unless your survival and another few shots is the difference between victory or defeat.
Quote from: Berkut on July 14, 2011, 12:25:00 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 14, 2011, 12:13:04 PM
It is a big investment, but it's a one-time investment, and you can move it from tank to tank as you progress.
Most of them you cannot. Like rammers, gun laying drives, etc.
Using gold is the equivalence of paying 4000credits to dismount them. Not a huge cost, but a great benefit.
Quote from: Berkut on July 14, 2011, 12:25:00 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 14, 2011, 12:13:04 PM
It is a big investment, but it's a one-time investment, and you can move it from tank to tank as you progress.
Most of them you cannot. Like rammers, gun laying drives, etc.
Sure you can, for 10 gold. You can't move them around constantly like you can move a binocular telescope, but you can move them.
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 12:49:59 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 14, 2011, 11:15:45 AM
What consumables do you guys typically use, if any?
I generally keep a fire extinguisher and repair kit on each active vehicle. I don't always use them though, only when it seems like a critical situation (track destroyed, need to get moving now).
I also use camo nets on my TDs. Thinking about buying a single binocular, since that is de-mountable and able to be moved around.
I keep one of each kind on every tank, save for the Tier 1-3.
I typically use repair if I get my engine or gun hit or destroyed, or if I'm in the open and get tracked. Saved me a lot of times. Since you don't pay unless you use them, there's no cost in equipping them. If you need them they usually pay for themselves. Just don't use them if you're almost dead, unless your survival and another few shots is the difference between victory or defeat.
Interesting, I guess I should give that a try. I do hate it when some asshole hits my boomstick, because generally after that you can't hit the broad side of a barn even after it's working again.
Quote from: DGuller on July 14, 2011, 01:04:12 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 12:49:59 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 14, 2011, 11:15:45 AM
What consumables do you guys typically use, if any?
I generally keep a fire extinguisher and repair kit on each active vehicle. I don't always use them though, only when it seems like a critical situation (track destroyed, need to get moving now).
I also use camo nets on my TDs. Thinking about buying a single binocular, since that is de-mountable and able to be moved around.
I keep one of each kind on every tank, save for the Tier 1-3.
I typically use repair if I get my engine or gun hit or destroyed, or if I'm in the open and get tracked. Saved me a lot of times. Since you don't pay unless you use them, there's no cost in equipping them. If you need them they usually pay for themselves. Just don't use them if you're almost dead, unless your survival and another few shots is the difference between victory or defeat.
Interesting, I guess I should give that a try. I do hate it when some asshole hits my boomstick, because generally after that you can't hit the broad side of a barn even after it's working again.
Depends on what kind of hardware you're packing, but a hit in the ammo will just about double your reload time, and a hit on the gun will make it wildly inaccurate. It's enough that you get 2-3 hits in to make up for the 3000 credits though, I should think, with most guns. Perhaps even just one. Definitely worth it.
I can finally decide on my Pz III to go for the 50/L60 or get the 75/L24. If I go the 75mm route, HE rounds are what I should be using, right up close and personal? Or am I misunderstanding the tank?
I've come across a new way to TK someone. Some asshole on my team intentional pinned me up against a cliff. It was obviously done intentionally, but TK system doesn't recognize it as hostile act. It seems like the intention was for me to start shooting at him, so that he could shoot me back with no reprisal. What an asshole thing to do.
Argh, I came that close to getting my Top Gun with the 3601, before my teammate stole the kill that I crippled. I have now seen the light regarding 88, and have switched to it for good.
Quote from: DGuller on July 14, 2011, 09:32:48 PM
I've come across a new way to TK someone. Some asshole on my team intentional pinned me up against a cliff. It was obviously done intentionally, but TK system doesn't recognize it as hostile act. It seems like the intention was for me to start shooting at him, so that he could shoot me back with no reprisal. What an asshole thing to do.
I reported the asshole, and was replied to very quickly. Unfortunately, I did not take a screenshot, so my report could not be considered. So, here is a tip: if you run across a blocking asshole, screenshot him and then report him.
I hate arty.
So my son watches me play, and he loves seeing the lights zooming across the screen and kept bitching that I didn't have anything that fast.
So I decided to go back and complete the German light tree, and get myself a Leopard.
So then I decided I might as well be a completist, so I researched every single light German tank fully, at least enough to unlock each next step (Wespe, PzIII med, etc.).
So I was just finishing up the PZII (I actually had to come back to it in fact, and re-buy it). I think I figured out the auto-cannon. Holy shit, that was fun. Got into a match where it was all lights or T2 mediums. I just got around the flank, came in behind the bug mass of fighting tanks, and rammed a medium from behind, and just unloaded on him. He was gone in a few seconds, I picked out another target, rinse and repeat.
7 kills later, I am hunting down their stragglers, and run into a PzIII medium with me having a damaged engine, track, and gun. I charge him, and he panics and tries to run away from me! Get one shot into me before I kill him for kill #8.
There is one enemy left over by the flag, and I am now down to 8/160 HPs. I hunt him down, and start to unload on him, and he nails me for the kill, he was down to 12%, and a moment later one of my compatriots takes him out.
8 kills is definitely my high score. I don't think I will ever break it.
It doesn't fucking fail.
Whenever I do NOT go to defend the flag on Komarin, neither does anyone else and the opposing team rushes in for an almost flawless victory since no one has time to react to 6-7 tanks in the cap zone at once. Fucking IDIOTS.
Quote from: Slargos on July 15, 2011, 02:05:36 PM
It doesn't fucking fail.
Whenever I do NOT go to defend the flag on Komarin, neither does anyone else and the opposing team rushes in for an almost flawless victory since no one has time to react to 6-7 tanks in the cap zone at once. Fucking IDIOTS.
Aren't you exactly as much of a fucking idiot as everyone else in that scenario?
Quote from: Berkut on July 15, 2011, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 15, 2011, 02:05:36 PM
It doesn't fucking fail.
Whenever I do NOT go to defend the flag on Komarin, neither does anyone else and the opposing team rushes in for an almost flawless victory since no one has time to react to 6-7 tanks in the cap zone at once. Fucking IDIOTS.
Aren't you exactly as much of a fucking idiot as everyone else in that scenario?
9 games out of 10 I defend the flag [on Komarin specifically] because it seems no one else will. So sue me for deciding on another route once in a while. Why do you have to insist on being such a fucking dick all the time?
Quote from: Slargos on July 15, 2011, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 15, 2011, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 15, 2011, 02:05:36 PM
It doesn't fucking fail.
Whenever I do NOT go to defend the flag on Komarin, neither does anyone else and the opposing team rushes in for an almost flawless victory since no one has time to react to 6-7 tanks in the cap zone at once. Fucking IDIOTS.
Aren't you exactly as much of a fucking idiot as everyone else in that scenario?
9 games out of 10 I defend the flag [on Komarin specifically] because it seems no one else will. So sue me for deciding on another route once in a while. Why do you have to insist on being such a fucking dick all the time?
9 out of ten times I let your ridiculousness go. So sue me for deciding to go another route once in a while!
Besides, nobody even commented on my epic 8 win match in a fucking T3 light, so I was cranky. You can all DIAF.
Quote from: Berkut on July 15, 2011, 08:11:19 PM
Besides, nobody even commented on my epic 8 win match in a fucking T3 light, so I was cranky. You can all DIAF.
That story was cute, Berkut. :hug:
Quote from: Berkut on July 15, 2011, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 15, 2011, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 15, 2011, 02:10:05 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 15, 2011, 02:05:36 PM
It doesn't fucking fail.
Whenever I do NOT go to defend the flag on Komarin, neither does anyone else and the opposing team rushes in for an almost flawless victory since no one has time to react to 6-7 tanks in the cap zone at once. Fucking IDIOTS.
Aren't you exactly as much of a fucking idiot as everyone else in that scenario?
9 games out of 10 I defend the flag [on Komarin specifically] because it seems no one else will. So sue me for deciding on another route once in a while. Why do you have to insist on being such a fucking dick all the time?
9 out of ten times I let your ridiculousness go. So sue me for deciding to go another route once in a while!
Besides, nobody even commented on my epic 8 win match in a fucking T3 light, so I was cranky. You can all DIAF.
Come back when you can achieve similar results against tanks that don't die to a particularly harsh breeze. :rolleyes:
Finally got my IS, have been working towards it for more than a month. Let's see how well it does stock. I hope it's not like the situation with KVs, where they all rape you until you get them, and then you realize that the KVs that were raping you were just getting a favorable matchmaking outcome.
Quote from: DGuller on July 16, 2011, 01:37:22 AM
Finally got my IS, have been working towards it for more than a month. Let's see how well it does stock. I hope it's not like the situation with KVs, where they all rape you until you get them, and then you realize that the KVs that were raping you were just getting a favorable matchmaking outcome.
:menace:
Sorry, bub, that shit won't end until you're in the IS-7. And probably not then either. :hmm:
Wow you guys really are addicted :lol:
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I know I am. I like that tag....
I am taking a liking to that IS. First time I put a 122mm gun on it, I got my third Top Gun. :yeah: It seems like once you're on the IS side of the tier divide, more often than not matchmaking works in your favor.
I suspect I am spreading myself to thin. Right now I have:
VK3001P (only a couple thousand xp from the next one) (T6)
KV-3 (T6)
JagdPzIV (T6)
M10 (T5)
KV (T5)
M7 Priest (T4)
Leopard (T4)
I consider the German medium path my "main", with the Soviet heavy my secondary, and all the rest just fun to play. But even all those fun to plays start adding up in cost.
I do pretty much the same thing. My main line is Soviet heavy, my secondary line is German heavy, but I also mix in some other lines when my main two tanks are knocked out, or just for variety.
I'm mainly running German Heavies and TDs but I'm also working on the German medium line, and the US medium and TD. The latter I mainly just pick up the daily double bonus for.
I figure I'll just keep working the Tiger since when the new German tech tree comes up all the XP on the Elite Tiger will be transferred to the Tiger II for free. Owners of the Panther will also get a free upgrade so that's what I'm mainly working on now. I want the E-100 and the StugE eventually.
:w00t: Second Top Gun with IS. I really, really like that tank.
This is an addictive little game, though I totally suck at it.
At T3 now, with an AT-1 and a T-46. I'm usually among the weakest tanks in any battle, so I try to get a good spotting position and hide or hide behind the bigger tanks.
Watching lights hang back behind the line to "snipe" when the line is being pounded by invisible TDs makes me want to reach through my screen and tear their fucking faces off.
I will make the ammendment to my one wish. Fuck the jews and the arabs. I want the power to murder or severely mutilate over the internet at will. Possibly through electrocution.
Quote from: Slargos on July 18, 2011, 07:49:07 AM
Watching lights hang back behind the line to "snipe" when the line is being pounded by invisible TDs makes me want to reach through my screen and tear their fucking faces off.
I will make the ammendment to my one wish. Fuck the jews and the arabs. I want the power to murder or severely mutilate over the internet at will. Possibly through electrocution.
So just what the fuck am I supposed to be doing in my eggshell T-46 against tier 5-6 heavies and TDs?
Scout?
Sniping with a light tank isn't that fun either, unless you like the ping sounds.
Got my VK 3601 yesterday. That thing has some potential once I can grind the new engine out.
Quote from: Threviel on July 18, 2011, 08:45:45 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 18, 2011, 07:49:07 AM
Watching lights hang back behind the line to "snipe" when the line is being pounded by invisible TDs makes me want to reach through my screen and tear their fucking faces off.
I will make the ammendment to my one wish. Fuck the jews and the arabs. I want the power to murder or severely mutilate over the internet at will. Possibly through electrocution.
So just what the fuck am I supposed to be doing in my eggshell T-46 against tier 5-6 heavies and TDs?
I'll tell you, you cowardly, worthless little spit-fuck.
You run bravely towards the enemy and try to survive for as long as possible. While you do this, and while they're shooting at you, my near-sighted Ferdinand can actually land some shots on the now visible enemies.
If you stay behind me, I am forced to close with the enemy, and before I even see where he is, he will have shot out my tracks and flanked me.
The bonus FOR YOU other than knowing that you've done your GODDAMNED JOB is that any damage inflicted from long range where you are closer to the target gives YOU XP, and in addition you get XP for spotting the enemy tanks. Your spotting will also vastly increase the chance for your team to win, which nets you further XP.
A Light that survives to the end of the battle in anything but a flawless victory or a Tier 1-3 fight is a gigantic failure, and deserves to have his spine ripped out through his anus.
Quote from: Stonewall on July 18, 2011, 08:54:20 AM
Got my VK 3601 yesterday. That thing has some potential once I can grind the new engine out.
It is a beautiful tank. Don't forget to elite it before you move on to the Tiger since all the equipment carries over.
Quote from: Stonewall on July 18, 2011, 08:54:20 AM
Got my VK 3601 yesterday. That thing has some potential once I can grind the new engine out.
Definitely lots of potential. That's the first actual tank, not counting arty, with which my kill/game ratio was consitently at or above 1.
Quote from: DGuller on July 18, 2011, 08:46:55 AM
Scout?
I have yet to work out how detection works, actually. Even when I stand perfectly still in the undergrowth and have my camo net installed I'm often killed by meds or tds or arty before I see anyone.
http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Battle_Mechanics#Premium_Account
Everything you need to know.
It helps if your crew is trained in camo. It also helps if you have optics or binocular telescope. In fact, I think binocular telescope is a must for any tank that isn't doing its business up close and personal.
Useful, thanks.
I actually think that my leopard is my funnest tank to play right now. He is elite of course, so I just use him to get creds and xp to turn into free.
But he can make a LOT of xp for a T4. He goes just under 70 kmh on level ground, and I am getting pretty good at keeping to the dead spaces for the most part. I can make a good chunk of xp and creds without ever firing a shot, and have cleared 1000 xp when I manage to get in and take out an arty or two before I get blown away.
I know I am doing good with it because I got called a cunt and a douchebag by the other team yesterday, in different matches. Someone actually accused me of cheating when I took out all three of the opposing teams artillery, one that was a T7 artillery piece I destroyed by ramming him at about 60 kmh.
Of course, I have plenty of matches where I race along, run into a heavy or medium with a good pilot, and die in a glorious explosion without ever accomplishing anything at all.
Quote from: Berkut on July 18, 2011, 10:32:27 AM
Of course, I have plenty of matches where I race along, run into a heavy or medium with a good pilot, and die in a glorious explosion without ever accomplishing anything at all.
:D
Ludicrous Speed is not a Shield of Invincibility, indeed. Sometimes you run into players who can't lead a Ferdinand that's reversing, and sometimes you get one-shot from 800m away going 70km/h downhill. :homestar:
[Yes. That was me. I was pretty satisfied with that shot. :sleep: ]
It's always satisfying when I try to lead a Leopard, get one shot off only to immediately regret it, thinking that my 1,000 credit 122mm shot can't hit him, only to be surprised as that red dot turns into a black dot. Happened several times with me.
Somehow I seem to have a better than average knack for shooting into empty space, and having a tank appear there when the shell does. Sometimes those tanks even belong to the enemy.
What should be the first major upgrade? 88 or the mid level engine?
Quote from: Stonewall on July 18, 2011, 12:03:43 PM
What should be the first major upgrade? 88 or the mid level engine?
88, definitely. You'll increase your XP rate much more than with the engine, even if the engine is also very useful since it's a relatively slow tank without it.
Agreed. In general, guns go before engines. Much more often the power of your gun will be the limiting factor of your success, and not the power of your engine.
I'm warming up to playing with TD and honestly prefer it to the light tanks. I bought the Soviet tier 4 TD, but I'll grind some more XP with my tier 3 AT-1 to get it decked out.
Quote from: Slargos on July 18, 2011, 08:55:06 AM
Quote from: Threviel on July 18, 2011, 08:45:45 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 18, 2011, 07:49:07 AM
Watching lights hang back behind the line to "snipe" when the line is being pounded by invisible TDs makes me want to reach through my screen and tear their fucking faces off.
I will make the ammendment to my one wish. Fuck the jews and the arabs. I want the power to murder or severely mutilate over the internet at will. Possibly through electrocution.
So just what the fuck am I supposed to be doing in my eggshell T-46 against tier 5-6 heavies and TDs?
I'll tell you, you cowardly, worthless little spit-fuck.
You run bravely towards the enemy and try to survive for as long as possible. While you do this, and while they're shooting at you, my near-sighted Ferdinand can actually land some shots on the now visible enemies.
If you stay behind me, I am forced to close with the enemy, and before I even see where he is, he will have shot out my tracks and flanked me.
The bonus FOR YOU other than knowing that you've done your GODDAMNED JOB is that any damage inflicted from long range where you are closer to the target gives YOU XP, and in addition you get XP for spotting the enemy tanks. Your spotting will also vastly increase the chance for your team to win, which nets you further XP.
A Light that survives to the end of the battle in anything but a flawless victory or a Tier 1-3 fight is a gigantic failure, and deserves to have his spine ripped out through his anus.
No, you are wrong, I get more money and xp by sitting back and sniping. Once I even managed ti get a KV from 100% to 99% before he killed me. Cowardly TDs had died by attacking instead of defending.
Seems like there has been a lot less artillery in matches lately. Is that because as I get higher in tier, people don't like to play them as much, or because people in general are figuring out that they are pretty boring most of the time?
I don't think I am ever going to go from my M7 Priest to the T41. 41k XP at about 400 per match that takes forever? Uggh.
Currently running the VK3002DB. It is fully upgraded, except for the engine. 17k for the engine research, 94k for the next tier (Panther).
17k isn't that much, but on the other hand, the tank is already pretty damn fast. Does upper 30s across flat ground, and can easily top 50 on any incline. So does it really need another 100 horsepower, especially since the engine won't be used in any other vehicle?
Played around with the entry level US SPG, man arty is easy.
Went back to my "main" which is still a lowly M2 medium tank as i haven't paid for any of upgrades.
Quote from: Berkut on July 18, 2011, 11:12:59 PM
Currently running the VK3002DB. It is fully upgraded, except for the engine. 17k for the engine research, 94k for the next tier (Panther).
17k isn't that much, but on the other hand, the tank is already pretty damn fast. Does upper 30s across flat ground, and can easily top 50 on any incline. So does it really need another 100 horsepower, especially since the engine won't be used in any other vehicle?
Adding HP at that point is mostly for acceleration and turning speed.
I haven't played with it enough since I just got it, but it feels more nimble than the 3001.
I used to pass over engines but lately I've been researching them religiously.
I haven't quite decided what to do about it yet. I may just pass over the optionals entirely, and run it for daily bonus with converted XP making up the bulk. My reasoning is that it simply feels like a slightly better armoured 3001 and it's facing heavier opponents so I doubt it will be much fun to play.
How does it handle with the turret and track upgrades?
Meh, the turret is nice, it adds a bit of HP and a lot of armor. I was worried it might slow the tank down a bit (12000 vs 4400 weight) but it is not noticeable.
Still, it has that same 88 the 3001 had, so if you are in the bottom third of the tier list, you are going to sit there bouncing shots.
Has anyone joined or considered joining a clan? Is the strategic level game interesting?
I joined a Scandie clan but it's not very active. 40 players ostensibly but I hardly even get any platoon games going. I think I'm going to have to find a new one if I want to get any clan/company action going. Anyway, there's no point in company play until you reach Tier 10 since it apparently doesn't balance very well.
I've been trying Slargos tactic of glorious death the last few days with my T-46. Makes no difference in xp or silver so I might as well use it. Quicker games at least, boring as fuck.
Quote from: Threviel on July 19, 2011, 11:18:11 PM
I've been trying Slargos tactic of glorious death the last few days with my T-46. Makes no difference in xp or silver so I might as well use it. Quicker games at least, boring as fuck.
If you do it right, it can easily mean the difference between victory and defeat for your team.
Only the late-tier "lights" IE the Panther/II and T-44/54 are any use as battle tanks. Arguably this goes for the 3002 aswell, according to some, but I don't see it.
Quote from: Slargos on July 20, 2011, 02:47:14 AM
Quote from: Threviel on July 19, 2011, 11:18:11 PM
I've been trying Slargos tactic of glorious death the last few days with my T-46. Makes no difference in xp or silver so I might as well use it. Quicker games at least, boring as fuck.
If you do it right, it can easily mean the difference between victory and defeat for your team.
Only the late-tier "lights" IE the Panther/II and T-44/54 are any use as battle tanks. Arguably this goes for the 3002 aswell, according to some, but I don't see it.
Well, I am not doing it right since I dislike that kind of playing style and my tank is slower than other lights. But I guess I should practice more.
Quote from: Threviel on July 20, 2011, 04:38:29 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 20, 2011, 02:47:14 AM
Quote from: Threviel on July 19, 2011, 11:18:11 PM
I've been trying Slargos tactic of glorious death the last few days with my T-46. Makes no difference in xp or silver so I might as well use it. Quicker games at least, boring as fuck.
If you do it right, it can easily mean the difference between victory and defeat for your team.
Only the late-tier "lights" IE the Panther/II and T-44/54 are any use as battle tanks. Arguably this goes for the 3002 aswell, according to some, but I don't see it.
Well, I am not doing it right since I dislike that kind of playing style and my tank is slower than other lights. But I guess I should practice more.
If you don't like scouting you shouldn't play a light, simple as that. The only time the light is useful in the line is when most of the opposition is also lights, but in that case you're only a light by design since by purpose you can be a heavy or a medium depending on what you're facing.
If you're in a tier 3 and you're mostly facing tier 5+ your job is simple: Spot targets for your heavies and SPGs.
If you're in a tier 3 and you're facing mostly 1-2 you can focus on taking out enemies.
Quote from: Slargos on July 20, 2011, 05:57:56 AM
Quote from: Threviel on July 20, 2011, 04:38:29 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 20, 2011, 02:47:14 AM
Quote from: Threviel on July 19, 2011, 11:18:11 PM
I've been trying Slargos tactic of glorious death the last few days with my T-46. Makes no difference in xp or silver so I might as well use it. Quicker games at least, boring as fuck.
If you do it right, it can easily mean the difference between victory and defeat for your team.
Only the late-tier "lights" IE the Panther/II and T-44/54 are any use as battle tanks. Arguably this goes for the 3002 aswell, according to some, but I don't see it.
Well, I am not doing it right since I dislike that kind of playing style and my tank is slower than other lights. But I guess I should practice more.
If you don't like scouting you shouldn't play a light, simple as that. The only time the light is useful in the line is when most of the opposition is also lights, but in that case you're only a light by design since by purpose you can be a heavy or a medium depending on what you're facing.
If you're in a tier 3 and you're mostly facing tier 5+ your job is simple: Spot targets for your heavies and SPGs.
If you're in a tier 3 and you're facing mostly 1-2 you can focus on taking out enemies.
I am playing a light because that is the way to KV-1, not by choice.
Quote from: Threviel on July 20, 2011, 06:26:56 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 20, 2011, 05:57:56 AM
Quote from: Threviel on July 20, 2011, 04:38:29 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 20, 2011, 02:47:14 AM
Quote from: Threviel on July 19, 2011, 11:18:11 PM
I've been trying Slargos tactic of glorious death the last few days with my T-46. Makes no difference in xp or silver so I might as well use it. Quicker games at least, boring as fuck.
If you do it right, it can easily mean the difference between victory and defeat for your team.
Only the late-tier "lights" IE the Panther/II and T-44/54 are any use as battle tanks. Arguably this goes for the 3002 aswell, according to some, but I don't see it.
Well, I am not doing it right since I dislike that kind of playing style and my tank is slower than other lights. But I guess I should practice more.
If you don't like scouting you shouldn't play a light, simple as that. The only time the light is useful in the line is when most of the opposition is also lights, but in that case you're only a light by design since by purpose you can be a heavy or a medium depending on what you're facing.
If you're in a tier 3 and you're mostly facing tier 5+ your job is simple: Spot targets for your heavies and SPGs.
If you're in a tier 3 and you're facing mostly 1-2 you can focus on taking out enemies.
I am playing a light because that is the way to KV-1, not by choice.
So learn to play one, you jackass. :P
Playing it correctly will make the grind less awful.
I think one thing that you need to realize to enjoy WoT is that part of the fun is figuring out how to play each tank to its optimal level. If every tank is just a vehicle to get to the next tank, the "grind" is going to be just that. A grind. Some tanks you won't be in for long, and others you will fight 100+ matches in - you need to figure out how to play those tanks.
And this is NOT just "type" specific. Every medium does not play the same by any means, for example. TDs vary considerably. And as slargos pointed out, your role withing a battle can change a lot depending on what else is in the fight. I've been playing my T4 Leopard a lot. If I am at the top of the tank list, my Leopard is the MBT for the fight - I will and do sit back and blow things away. If I am at the bottom, or even in the middle, I am all about scouting, and I won't engage even other lights. Mainly because even if I stumlbe upon an enemy light, if I stop to take them on, some medium is going to blow me away, so I keep moving.
Quote from: Berkut on July 20, 2011, 09:33:09 AM
I think one thing that you need to realize to enjoy WoT is that part of the fun is figuring out how to play each tank to its optimal level. If every tank is just a vehicle to get to the next tank, the "grind" is going to be just that. A grind. Some tanks you won't be in for long, and others you will fight 100+ matches in - you need to figure out how to play those tanks.
And this is NOT just "type" specific. Every medium does not play the same by any means, for example. TDs vary considerably. And as slargos pointed out, your role withing a battle can change a lot depending on what else is in the fight. I've been playing my T4 Leopard a lot. If I am at the top of the tank list, my Leopard is the MBT for the fight - I will and do sit back and blow things away. If I am at the bottom, or even in the middle, I am all about scouting, and I won't engage even other lights. Mainly because even if I stumlbe upon an enemy light, if I stop to take them on, some medium is going to blow me away, so I keep moving.
Good advice, that is my line of thinking, it's just that I haven't found a way to play the T-46 that I like.
I am in love with my VK3601. I know people argue that the 75L70 is better, but the 88 has made a massive difference. Halfway to the second engine upgrade. I'm trying to grind my way through the T-28 to get the KV and the free garage slot. Oh my God, what a terrible tank. Despite a close to 50% average win rate, my stats on the T-28 are 4 wins in 21 matches with one survival. I'm not going to even bother upgrading anything on it and simply rush the KV.
The T-28 is a pretty fun tank, once you upgrade the gun to the 85. It is a very good sniper. Mobile, great gun for its tier. Just don't try to play slugger with it because its armor sucks and it handles like a drunk pig.
Tentatively, I've gotta say I'm having some fun with the 3002. I caved in and bought the engine and tracks for free XP and it's a relatively nimble little bugger. Can reasonably act as MBT, and even if it's an underdog to Tigers, the superior speed means it can dodge the return fire reasonably well.
Just scored 5 kills in it (out of which 3 were their heavies), despite most of my team being complete nitwits and only getting 2. I think I might start to enjoy the rapid glass cannon style of play. :hmm:
1k XP from a lost battle. Not shabby. :menace:
Someone tell me more about the free garage slot and the KV?
Oh, yes. The 3002 is a LOT of fun. I just joined my first true medium wolf-pack assault on the enemy base as squarely in the middle tiered. Together with a T-44 and what I think was a Panther we completely raped their base defense on Steppes. Tallied about 8 tanks between us with a bit of long range sniping from the heavy assaults and the lone artillery.. Insane. They were scattering like headless chickens.
So I guess what I'm saying is: Get the goddamned engine. :cool:
Quote from: Berkut on July 20, 2011, 04:51:16 PM
Someone tell me more about the free garage slot and the KV?
Apparently if you have a KV in your garage when the next upgrade comes along that splits the KV into two different tank lines, you get a free garage slot and I guess another tank aswell. A couple of upgrade points give the same benefits. You can find it buried in their news page, I think. Try searching the forums.
If you have the Panther II, IIRC, you get a free upgrade of it aswell, since the german medium tree is getting a redesign.
Additionally, all the XP you've stored up on your elite Tiger will get transferred to the Tiger II since that tree is also getting an overhaul. I've got the TigerII researched but I'm in no hurry to buy it since the good gun is around 60k xp. Figure I'll just take my time and get it eventually.
Next update is scheduled for August though from what I can gather it's by no means a certainty. I figure I'll just focus on getting the Panther II before then.
Quote from: Berkut on July 20, 2011, 04:51:16 PM
Someone tell me more about the free garage slot and the KV?
My understanding is that at some point KV with stupid ass turret researched will be replaced by BOTH KV-1 and KV-2 tanks. KV-1 tank will keep the stuff from KV, and KV-2 tank will come with an extra garage slot and a free set of 100% crews. This is why I keep a stripped down KV in my garage.
It's funny, but it seems like there are certain paths and points of every map that I simply cannot go because I will get killed regardless of what I do or what relative size I am.
Other people are successful there, so it must be me.
That peninsula in the middle, the one with hedgehogs at both entry points, is one such place for me. I don't recall ever getting out of it alive.
One of these days, when the kill count is 12:2 in our team's favor, I would make it a point to drive through it just to break my streak. Of course, I would probably run into one of the remaining three enemy vehicles there and be swiftly dispatched, if my past performance is any indication.
Good to know about the KV, had I known that I wouldn't have bought the SU-76 this morning. Whick by the way is wonderful, 4 games, 4 wins, multiple kills each game and I wasn't top tier in any of them. Tomorrow I'll propably have 4 games, 4 losses, no kills.
Wow. Just wow. I just played a game in my Ferdi on Murovanka where I connected with ONE shot.
Why, you ask? And Berkut perhaps itches to respond "LULZ LERN 2 AIM".
No, the problem was that the entire fucking battle was a barrel, and the opponents were the fish. Every time I pointed my cannon at someone, 3-4 shells wooshed by and BOOM. Dead.
There was enough lead flying through the air that I was starting to fear for the Vitamin-D content in my Crew. :(
Never seen that amount of constant volume of fire and rapid advance before. It was pretty awesome.
Quote from: Berkut on July 20, 2011, 03:50:36 PM
The T-28 is a pretty fun tank, once you upgrade the gun to the 85. It is a very good sniper. Mobile, great gun for its tier. Just don't try to play slugger with it because its armor sucks and it handles like a drunk pig.
I hadn't intended to waste any research points on upgrades, but ended up breaking down and getting the 2nd 57mm gun. Wow. That thing turned the tank into a ferocious sniper. High penetration and insane ROF got me my first ever 5 kill games on any tank. Hit three of them in a row, including the daily double, which pushed me over the brink and I bought my KV. Now I need to rush that thing through and unlock the KV3 for the 2nd extra garage slot. Here's to hoping that the patch is at least a week off.
And speaking of the KV, that thing is unwieldly and tough to play unupgraded. Although, first match I'm in I get stuck as the only T5 in a T8 and 9 heavy match. 5 T9's! Got the killing blow on a IS4 who strolled right by me (I could almost hear him laughing at me as he drove by and exposed his backside) to deal with a King Tiger who was pinging him.
Quote from: Threviel on July 21, 2011, 01:58:41 AM
Good to know about the KV, had I known that I wouldn't have bought the SU-76 this morning. Whick by the way is wonderful, 4 games, 4 wins, multiple kills each game and I wasn't top tier in any of them. Tomorrow I'll propably have 4 games, 4 losses, no kills.
KV is only 330k credits. Not terribly expensive.
Man, I like this game, but it can be so fucking frustrating.
On the new Arctic map, I took my 3002 from the west starting location to my favourite position which is the west side of the hill where the east team starts. The east team seldom comes down the middle, so I can park there and make a run for the artillery or snipe the northern advance. If I get lucky I can sometimes attack their southern flank from the rear after disposing of the artillery.
Worked like a charm this time, and me, another medium and a Tiger destroyed the defending Tiger and SU-152. All good and well. The southern flanks were butting heads and we got into position to take their offense in the rear. They predictably turn around presenting their asses to the heavies and start blasting away at us.
What does our team do?
Take a wild fucking guess.
They sit behind the corner and wait for their heavies to take us out before they start moving again, instead of taking advantage of the 30-45 seconds of free shooting we bought them with the flanking maneuver.
I simply can't understand the thought process behind this behaviour.
Quote from: Slargos on July 21, 2011, 04:02:30 PM
Man, I like this game, but it can be so fucking frustrating.
On the new Arctic map, I took my 3002 from the west starting location to my favourite position which is the west side of the hill where the east team starts. The east team seldom comes down the middle, so I can park there and make a run for the artillery or snipe the northern advance. If I get lucky I can sometimes attack their southern flank from the rear after disposing of the artillery.
Worked like a charm this time, and me, another medium and a Tiger destroyed the defending Tiger and SU-152. All good and well. The southern flanks were butting heads and we got into position to take their offense in the rear. They predictably turn around presenting their asses to the heavies and start blasting away at us.
What does our team do?
Take a wild fucking guess.
They sit behind the corner and wait for their heavies to take us out before they start moving again, instead of taking advantage of the 30-45 seconds of free shooting we bought them with the flanking maneuver.
I simply can't understand the thought process behind this behaviour.
:lmfao: Yeah, I know the feeling. It seems like an awful lot of players don't realize that once one of your teammates is involved in a deathmatch with the enemy, and has no option to retreat, you have to also throw caution to the wind and put yourself in a situation that maximizes the number of shots you can get off accurately. The enemy can only shoot at one of you at a time.
Aaaand I just lost a match where we outnumbered the enemy 10-3, because instead of capturing the flag, everyone was milling around looking for the last stragglers while ONE of them captured our flag. There were about 5 tanks in the vicinity of the enemy flag so 2-3 of them would've ensured at the very least a draw.
But no. :frusty:
There can be no salvation for this species. It is, as they say, too stupid to live. :hmm:
Here is another one. On the new, horrible map with the hill on each side and the river in the middle, the enemy makes a massed attack on the western flank. Four tanks and TDs continue camping in the middle, waiting for some tanks to pop up across the river, failing to realize that pretty much every enemy tank is overwhelming our flank. You'd think that some tactical redeployment would be in order, but no. You have to admire their commitment to the task at hand, though. I think they were still training their sights across the river when the enemy tanks popped them in the pooper, I have to assume.
Holy crap, I just had my cleanest sweep yet. I've been putting my 3601 through its final battles, ready to upgrade to Tiger. The night started off very badly, but then this battle comes where I'm just pawning the whole team. The end result is:
8 tanks killed
14 out of 15 shots hit
85% base occupation
Everyone I shot at was dead within two shots, and no one ever managed to score a hit on me. As a bonus, this was my daily double game. The final tally is:
3,240 experience
Reaper
Top Gun
Witmann's Medal
Invader
Sniper
:yeah:
Damn, nice day at the office!
Screenshot or it didn't happen though.
I was going to take a screenshot, but as I was staring at that screen, full of amazement with myself, it auto-exited. Turns out that you only have a couple of minutes to take a screenshot of your results.
Well I'm having a good morning. 6 battles, 5 victories. :yeah:
Nice one, DG.
I have yet to pass 7 in one battle. But at 2487XP, I think I'm still in the XP/game lead. :cool:
:lol:
Just had a hell of a game.
I was under fire from three directions, by 8 different tanks in my Löwe. Took 29 hits in total. Managed to reach out and touch a total of 11 tanks out of which I managed to destroy 3. I could never focus fire on any one of them since they kept ducking back under cover so I just had to hit whatever target I could.
1200XP and 124k credits from a defeat.
And DESPITE this torrent of lead I was soaking up, my teammates still managed to lose. :frusty:
Quote from: Slargos on July 22, 2011, 07:54:17 AM
:lol:
Just had a hell of a game.
I was under fire from three directions, by 8 different tanks in my Löwe...
Nothing after this is interesting anymore, Herr Wallet Warrior.
So, my story for the day.
I am on that map with all the little square complexes within a city in my 3002DB. I love knife fighting with this guy.
So I snipe a little bit until the battle starts developing, then notice that once of the little squares has 4 enemy tank in it, so I decide it might be fun to jump in there while they are shooting out of it.
RIght when I go in, I see that there are two T-28s, a KV, and an IS-3. The IS3 is my first target, and I put 2 rounds into his ass before he figures out what is going on. Of course, he is an IS-3, so this brings him down to about 80%. He gets turned around and bounces a shell off of me, so I skoot behind the building in the middle, and come around it and destroy one of the T-28s. The IS3 is chasing now, so I move around the other building to keep it between us, and stick a round into the KV, who is still firing out of the square.
The other T-28 is trying to get around the wreck of the first T-28, to box me in while the IS3 comes around the building. As the IS3 comes around one side, I ram the T-28, and we exchange shots. I kill him, and the IS hammers me with two shots before I can get the wreck of this T-28 between us. I am hammering on the IS all the time of course, but this is from the front, so it isn't doing much. I am down to about 50% now, he is at maybe 70% or so.
I get away from him again (we are basically making figure eigths kindof around the two buildings and the T28 wrecks) and as I go by I stick another round in the KV, who is STILL shooting out. Me and the IS3 starting dancing in earnest now. Peaking out, getting off shots, trying to use my speed to get in two shots to his one.
As I am going by the KV against, I stick another round into him. He finally decides he should maybe do something about this, and moves to block me. And drives right into that path of the IS3, who runs into him. I come back around the building,a nd while they untangle themselves, finish off the KV.
I am down to about 25% now, and after the KV goes I get a nice shot into the rear of the IS3, taking him down to 3%. I duck back behind a building, he fires a moment too late, I come back out, ram him, and destroy him with a shot to the front.
I look up and notice that while I was taking on 4 of them by myself, the rest of my team had been destroyed, and there were still 7 enemies alive. We lost on the cap.
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 08:20:55 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 22, 2011, 07:54:17 AM
:lol:
Just had a hell of a game.
I was under fire from three directions, by 8 different tanks in my Löwe...
Nothing after this is interesting anymore, Herr Wallet Warrior.
:D
Now, see, you've fallen under the bitch spell. The Löwe isn't a magical tank. It is in fact rather weak for its tier, but with a good gun.
Quote from: Slargos on July 22, 2011, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 08:20:55 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 22, 2011, 07:54:17 AM
:lol:
Just had a hell of a game.
I was under fire from three directions, by 8 different tanks in my Löwe...
Nothing after this is interesting anymore, Herr Wallet Warrior.
:D
Now, see, you've fallen under the bitch spell. The Löwe isn't a magical tank. It is in fact rather weak for its tier, but with a good gun.
"Rather weak for its tier" == can still one shot 80% of the targets on the map, and is impervious to about 50% of them. And requires little or no skill to exploit those advantages, and of course no ability to get other than cash. Lowe drivers are Barbies.
Boohoo, it can't stand up to T9 heavies and blow them away as well. How terrible sad.
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 08:47:51 AM
I look up and notice that while I was taking on 4 of them by myself, the rest of my team had been destroyed, and there were still 7 enemies alive. We lost on the cap.
:lol:
Love it when that happens.
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Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 08:51:44 AM
"Rather weak for its tier" == can still one shot 80% of the targets on the map, and is impervious to about 50% of them. And requires little or no skill to exploit those advantages, and of course no ability to get other than cash. Lowe drivers are Barbies.
Boohoo, it can't stand up to T9 heavies and blow them away as well. How terrible sad.
:lol:
Baby had a booboo? :hug:
If you'd ever get it, you'd realize how wrong you are. It just feels like it's invincible because A) you're driving a tier 5 and B) you don't know where to shoot it.
People who don't know where its weak spots (and they are legion) are, are obviously going to have a tougher time against it.
I'm certainly more afraid of facing a KT or IS-3 than a Löwe, not only because there's a higher chance that the Löwe driver is inexperienced with heavies.
You don't realize this, because you only face the Löwe when it's the Top, and you're a filthy little bottom.
I don't believe I said it was invincible, I said it was impervious to 50% of the targets on the map, which is rather often true. All high tier heavies are by the nature of the game - the difference with the Lowe of course is that you don't have to earn that right, you just get to buy it. It is funny that a Lowe driver is calling others "bitches" though since it is the acknowledged bitch-mobile by everyone in the game that has not gone out and bought a shiny little wallet heavy for themselves.
I'm with Slargos. Lowe is not always at the top, it suffers from the classic KV effect. While you don't have it, you always thing it's the tank that dominates everyone, and once you get it, you realize that you just couldn't be there to observe the unfavorable matchmaking results.
I also strongly disagree that it's an easy tank to play with. It most definitely is not, especially for a noob. It's a sniper tank that feels like it can take more damage than it actually can.
It's far from a fortress on wheels, I am much more fearful of encountering KV-5 than I am encountering a Lowe. With KV-5, I'm stuck with trying to hit R2D2 most of the time, I don't yet have a tank that can punch a hole in it. With Lowe, I can reliably take it down. It may be a little at a time, but rarely does my crosshair turn red when I point it at Lowe.
Of course you are with Slargos, you bought yourself a Lowe as well. All wallet warriors are together in their defense of being wallet warriors.
OK, the two wallet warriors love their wallet heavy, and don't really think it is all that great really because they can't just kill EVERYTHING on the map, only ALMOST everything. Good for you guys, you are still barbies for buying it, no matter how much you desperately try to convince yourselves otherwise.
And yes, I am sure pointing that monster gun at the Tier 6 mediums and pressing the mouse button and watching them blow up is terribly difficult and takes an incredible amount of skill.
Personally, I don't like running into ANY high tier heavy in a mid tier medium or heavy. But that is part of the game. At least when I get dusted by a Tiger 2 or something I know the guy driving it put in his time to get there, instead of just buying it. You can justify it away all you like about how it really isn't that good, but then...why do so many people drive around in them if they "aren't really that good"? If that were true, nobody would shell out $50 for one.
The only positive thing about the BarbieKampfwagen is that hopefully all the prima donnas buying their way into a high tier heavies are funding the game for those who are not.
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 09:43:14 AM
OK, the two wallet warriors love their wallet heavy, and don't really think it is all that great really because they can't just kill EVERYTHING on the map, only ALMOST everything. Good for you guys, you are still barbies for buying it, no matter how much you desperately try to convince yourselves otherwise.
And yes, I am sure pointing that monster gun at the Tier 6 mediums and pressing the mouse button and watching them blow up is terribly difficult and takes an incredible amount of skill.
Personally, I don't like running into ANY high tier heavy in a mid tier medium or heavy. But that is part of the game. At least when I get dusted by a Tiger 2 or something I know the guy driving it put in his time to get there, instead of just buying it. You can justify it away all you like about how it really isn't that good, but then...why do so many people drive around in them if they "aren't really that good"? If that were true, nobody would shell out $50 for one.
Feel free to look up my Lowe stats. It's possible that I'm just very incompetent, but it's more possible that it's just not the uber tank you think it is. In fact, I don't play Lowe anymore, I just keep it around in case I desperately need a free experience injection. I don't even have crew in it anymore, I put them in my new Tiger.
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 09:43:14 AM
You can justify it away all you like about how it really isn't that good, but then...why do so many people drive around in them if they "aren't really that good"? If that were true, nobody would shell out $50 for one.
Maybe because you can't preview a tank before buying it? Everyone who doesn't have a Lowe think it's an uber noob cannon and buys it. Almost everyone then discovers that it isn't in fact the case, but by that point you already paid for it.
When I was using it, I was using it to grind for free experience and credits. I definitely wasn't using it to blow away the field, and I never did.
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2011, 09:46:12 AM
Feel free to look up my Lowe stats. It's possible that I'm just very incompetent, but it's more possible that it's just not the uber tank you think it is. In fact, I don't play Lowe anymore, I just keep it around in case I desperately need a free experience injection. I don't even have crew in it anymore, I put them in my new Tiger.
Yep. :D
It's funny how Berkut's bitching almost completely mirrors that of all the other little fuckers on the WoT forums.
Personally, I bought the Löwe because of two reasons:
1. I wanted to play a heavy and realized it would be a LONG trip there down the German tree unlike the son of a whore shortcut the Russians get in the KV.
2. It is a great producer of credits. In a good game I can net upwards of 80-100k and this makes the credit grind to the Tier 8+ tanks much less annoying.
I mainly play my 3002 and Tiger, but I switch to the Löwe when I need to make cash for upgrades or new tanks.
No one has claimed that fighting Tier-6 tanks in the Löwe is difficult, but driving the Löwe is certainly comparatively more difficult than the other Tier-8 heavies.
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2011, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 09:43:14 AM
OK, the two wallet warriors love their wallet heavy, and don't really think it is all that great really because they can't just kill EVERYTHING on the map, only ALMOST everything. Good for you guys, you are still barbies for buying it, no matter how much you desperately try to convince yourselves otherwise.
And yes, I am sure pointing that monster gun at the Tier 6 mediums and pressing the mouse button and watching them blow up is terribly difficult and takes an incredible amount of skill.
Personally, I don't like running into ANY high tier heavy in a mid tier medium or heavy. But that is part of the game. At least when I get dusted by a Tiger 2 or something I know the guy driving it put in his time to get there, instead of just buying it. You can justify it away all you like about how it really isn't that good, but then...why do so many people drive around in them if they "aren't really that good"? If that were true, nobody would shell out $50 for one.
Feel free to look up my Lowe stats. It's possible that I'm just very incompetent, but it's more possible that it's just not the uber tank you think it is. In fact, I don't play Lowe anymore, I just keep it around in case I desperately need a free experience injection. I don't even have crew in it anymore, I put them in my new Tiger.
Why would I want to look up your Lowe stats? They would not tell me anything, whether they were good or bad.
It is still a high tier heavy tank that dominates most other tanks it is going to run into, just like all high tier heavies. If it isn't BETTER than the other high tier heavies - boofuckinghoo?
I never said it was an uber tank. Please find a post from me that claims it is "uber" or "invincible"? I said it dominates most of the other tanks that are on the battlefield with it, and that is absolutely true. Unless you are in a match that is 50% or more high tier heavy tanks, it is going to be dominant over most of its opponents.
I am sure it has weak spots - but so what? All tanks have weak spots. Of course, when you are driving around in a Lowe and shooting at a T7 medium, the entire enemy tank is a weak spot - you don't have to hope for a hit on a weak spot.
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OK, the two wallet warriors love their wallet heavy, and don't really think it is all that great really because they can't just kill EVERYTHING on the map, only ALMOST everything. Good for you guys, you are still barbies for buying it, no matter how much you desperately try to convince yourselves otherwise.
And yes, I am sure pointing that monster gun at the Tier 6 mediums and pressing the mouse button and watching them blow up is terribly difficult and takes an incredible amount of skill.
Personally, I don't like running into ANY high tier heavy in a mid tier medium or heavy. But that is part of the game. At least when I get dusted by a Tiger 2 or something I know the guy driving it put in his time to get there, instead of just buying it. You can justify it away all you like about how it really isn't that good, but then...why do so many people drive around in them if they "aren't really that good"? If that were true, nobody would shell out $50 for one.
Feel free to look up my Lowe stats. It's possible that I'm just very incompetent, but it's more possible that it's just not the uber tank you think it is. In fact, I don't play Lowe anymore, I just keep it around in case I desperately need a free experience injection. I don't even have crew in it anymore, I put them in my new Tiger.
Why would I want to look up your Lowe stats? They would not tell me anything, whether they were good or bad.
It is still a high tier heavy tank that dominates most other tanks it is going to run into, just like all high tier heavies. If it isn't BETTER than the other high tier heavies - boofuckinghoo?
I never said it was an uber tank. Please find a post from me that claims it is "uber" or "invincible"? I said it dominates most of the other tanks that are on the battlefield with it, and that is absolutely true. Unless you are in a match that is 50% or more high tier heavy tanks, it is going to be dominant over most of its opponents.
I am sure it has weak spots - but so what? All tanks have weak spots. Of course, when you are driving around in a Lowe and shooting at a T7 medium, the entire enemy tank is a weak spot - you don't have to hope for a hit on a weak spot.
:lol:
Dude. You don't get it. When you face the Löwe it's always going to be at the top. Not the case when you're playing it.
Your complaints hold true for ALL T7+ heavy tanks. The worst LOLtank out there is the T-54 which is just fucking ridiculous.
Quote from: Slargos on July 22, 2011, 09:51:07 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2011, 09:46:12 AM
Feel free to look up my Lowe stats. It's possible that I'm just very incompetent, but it's more possible that it's just not the uber tank you think it is. In fact, I don't play Lowe anymore, I just keep it around in case I desperately need a free experience injection. I don't even have crew in it anymore, I put them in my new Tiger.
Yep. :D
It's funny how Berkut's bitching almost completely mirrors that of all the other little fuckers on the WoT forums.
Well duh, and it's funny how your desperate defense of your wallet tank exactly mirrors the sniveling of all the other wallet warriors who don't want to look like the bitches everyone (including themsevelves) know that they are.
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Personally, I bought the Löwe because of two reasons:
1. I wanted to play a heavy and realized it would be a LONG trip there down the German tree unlike the son of a whore shortcut the Russians get in the KV.
Of course, 'I want to be the top dog, but don't want to actually do the work to get there - I'll just buy my way to the top instead!' is in fact the standard reason that all wallet warriors have for buying what they don't want to bother earning.
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2. It is a great producer of credits. In a good game I can net upwards of 80-100k and this makes the credit grind to the Tier 8+ tanks much less annoying.
Indeed it is, I am sure. I am already starting to see that creds are going to become the limiting factor rather than experience when I move into the Panther and IS and JagdPanther. Hopefully I won't bitch out and take the barbie path though. At least, no more than I am already.
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I mainly play my 3002 and Tiger, but I switch to the Löwe when I need to make cash for upgrades or new tanks.
No one has claimed that fighting Tier-6 tanks in the Löwe is difficult, but driving the Löwe is certainly comparatively more difficult than the other Tier-8 heavies.
Nobody has claimed that the Lowe is better than other Tier-8 heavies either. But the idea that it isn't a bitch tank for wallet warriors because it can't demolish the very best tanks in the game with the ease that it blows away most of the stuff it has to face is more than a little bit silly.
Listening to you guys is like listening to some trust fund kid whine about how money doesn't REALLY make life easier for him - why, just the other day he got a C on his English exam at Yale because his tutor was on vacation!
Quote from: Slargos on July 22, 2011, 09:57:41 AM
Dude. You don't get it. When you face the Löwe it's always going to be at the top. Not the case when you're playing it.
Your complaints hold true for ALL T7+ heavy tanks. The worst LOLtank out there is the T-54 which is just fucking ridiculous.
Of course I get it - I never said anything otherwise.
The fact that it doesn't let you stroll around killing everything on the field doesn't make it any less of a bitch tank because you bought it so you can destroy ALMOST everything on the field, without actually earning your way to that position.
You sound like a goddamned communist. :mad:
Anyway. Bitch all you like.
That you should get so upset about "earning" a tank in a game makes me laugh. QQ you little sniveling wretch. :hug:
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 09:52:31 AM
I said it dominates most of the other tanks that are on the battlefield with it, and that is absolutely true.
Not quite. As I said, you think it is true only because the only time you see Lowe, it's when it's getting a favorable matchmaking. You will never see it being pitted with Tier 10 tanks, because you cannot be matched with Tier 10 tanks yourself. You're making a conclusion from a limited, and highly biased, sample.
QuoteUnless you are in a match that is 50% or more high tier heavy tanks, it is going to be dominant over most of its opponents.
Debatable, and depends on how you define dominant. In my experience, I never felt nearly as dominant in Lowe as I feel in IS or 3601 when I get a top spot.
QuoteI am sure it has weak spots - but so what? All tanks have weak spots. Of course, when you are driving around in a Lowe and shooting at a T7 medium, the entire enemy tank is a weak spot - you don't have to hope for a hit on a weak spot.
Nevertheless, in practice, a T7 medium tank wins much more often than you think it does, at least when I'm in the Lowe. You're discounting a fact that Lowe is very slow, and has a very long reload time.
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You sound like a goddamned communist. :mad:
At least you are acknowledging that you are buying your way to the top instead of earning it.
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Anyway. Bitch all you like.
Nah, I am not really bitching, just mocking you posers in your shiny rims. Someone has to pay for the game, and if it wasn't for you hardcore gangstas, it would probably cost me more.
You guys are bad-fucking-ass hombres in your tricked out civics.
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That you should get so upset about "earning" a tank in a game makes me laugh. QQ you little sniveling wretch. :hug:
That you should be so upset that your game bad assedness should be mocked makes me giggle and validates my desire to mock you.
Hey slargos - pull your pants up already.
You're a broken record, Berkut. Don't take out your frustrations over sucking at the game on others. You just need some more practice.
I don't think more practice is going to help. I think I need to get my DB lowered and some spinners, so I can be hardcore like you and DG.
I just bounced three rounds off the front of a M10 wolverine with my 3002DB. That thing must have some wickedly sloped armor or something.
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 10:20:49 AM
I don't think more practice is going to help. I think I need to get my DB lowered and some spinners, so I can be hardcore like you and DG.
I just bounced three rounds off the front of a M10 wolverine with my 3002DB. That thing must have some wickedly sloped armor or something.
:lol:
See, you don't have a clue.
Berkut, I think the real issue is that you're too cheap. Originally you were reluctant to pay $10 a month for a game, whereas I think it's a trifle amount if the game gives you dozens of hours of enjoyment a month.
Same with paying $30 for a Lowe. I bought it so that I could grind more effectively, I didn't buy it to be at the top. To me, "the top" means that you completed a research tree, something I haven't accomplished yet. Paying $30 is a small price to pay for saving myself mindless grinding in tanks I hate, and keeps the game more enjoyable to me.
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
Berkut, I think the real issue is that you're too cheap. Originally you were reluctant to pay $10 a month for a game, whereas I think it's a trifle amount if the game gives you dozens of hours of enjoyment a month.
Same with paying $30 for a Lowe. I bought it so that I could grind more effectively, I didn't buy it to be at the top. To me, "the top" means that you completed a research tree, something I haven't accomplished yet. Paying $30 is a small price to pay for saving myself mindless grinding in tanks I hate, and keeps the game more enjoyable to me.
Quit trying to take the fun out of my contempt for slargos.
My real beef with the Lowe and KV-5 is that while they may allow YOU to have more fun while grinding, they do it at the expense of others NOT having as much fun, because they are less likely to get a interesting match up. You ahve more fun grinding because of course it is more fun to earn the needed xp and creds while blowing away others, instead of doing so while being blown away. And of course you earn them a lot faster.
Earning 60k creds killing chumps in T-34s >>> earning 9k creds getting blown away by barbies in Lowes.
This makes for a poorer game. It may be necessary from the standpoint of of the business, but it is basically a system where WoT is allowing some players to purchase more fun at the expense of those who are not willing to make that purchase. It is a competetive game, so making player A more capable is always at the expense of another player - in this case at the expense of many other players.
It also incents WoT to make that grind even more unpleasant, so as to force more players to pay as you did to avoid it. Then if enough players do so, that becomes the new "standard" or normal path, and some OTHER paid for advantage will be developed to drive more revenue from those who are willing to pay cash to get an advantage over the other players. This has already happened, for example, with the need to pay for a premium account.
Again, this is probably all fine from a business model standpoint, but it makes for a poorer game.
I understand how you're thinking, but you're still off the mark.
A game where you're facing a Löwe is no different from where you're facing a KT. Let's just establish this fact. There is no "pay to win" functionality in the Löwe. Its armour and gun is comparable to other Tier-8s.
Additionally, I highly doubt people are shelling out cash en masse to bypass tiers especially since it gets prohibitively expensive in later tiers.
I doubt the use of lower tier tanks is more than marginally affected by the use of Löwes.
Whereever you are in the tech tree, there will always [within reason, duh] be players around +-2-3 tiers of yourself.
Just looking at my own stats, I have about 1800 games, out of which roughly 300 in the Löwe. Given that for most of the time I run 3 tanks including the Löwe [although lately I've been expanding, and I'm going to keep the Tiger/II even when I get the E-100] it means that the Löwe is actually my least used tank slot, even if in absolute terms it is my most used tank.
Quote from: Slargos on July 22, 2011, 11:29:00 AM
I understand how you're thinking, but you're still off the mark.
A game where you're facing a Löwe is no different from where you're facing a KT. Let's just establish this fact. There is no "pay to win" functionality in the Löwe. Its armour and gun is comparable to other Tier-8s.
Never said anything otherwise.
However, there most certainly IS a "pay to win" since if you don't pay for the Lowe, you aren't going to playing with a T8 heavy at all, and in this game heavier generally beats lighter, and higher tier most certainly beats lower.
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Additionally, I highly doubt people are shelling out cash en masse to bypass tiers especially since it gets prohibitively expensive in later tiers.
No, the cost to buy a high tier heavy tank is perfectly consistent. You buy your Lowe, and then you have it, and you get to be one of the Big Dogs long before anyone who is not willing to buy one.
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I doubt the use of lower tier tanks is more than marginally affected by the use of Löwes.
That is not correct at all. It is not at all uncommon to get into matches where I am up against 4 enemy Lowes. Almost every single one of those would be a mid tier heavy or medium if the Lowe was not available to be bought. I imagine there might be some people who use their Lowe when they have a legitimate high tier heavy available, but that is almost certainly the exception rather than the rule.
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Whereever you are in the tech tree, there will always [within reason, duh] be players around +-2-3 tiers of yourself.
Of course. But without the Lowe being available to barbies like you, you barbies would be forced to play on the same even playing field.
You cannot argue that the Lowe doesn't matter - in that case, why were you so foolish to spend all the money for it? You cannot have your cake and eat it too - either the Lowe gives you a significant advantage, in which case it makes perfect sense why so many people are willing to label themselves as bitches for buying one, or it doesn't give any advantage, in which case you are an idiot for spending cash for something that doesn't even help you.
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Just looking at my own stats, I have about 1800 games, out of which roughly 300 in the Löwe. Given that for most of the time I run 3 tanks including the Löwe [although lately I've been expanding, and I'm going to keep the Tiger/II even when I get the E-100] it means that the Löwe is actually my least used tank slot, even if in absolute terms it is my most used tank.
So? What does that have to do with anything? You bought a Lowe, you use it all the time so you can have a T8 heavy without going to the trouble of grinding for it. Whether you use it a lot, a little, or something in between doesn't change much of anything.
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 11:46:45 AM
Never said anything otherwise.
However, there most certainly IS a "pay to win" since if you don't pay for the Lowe, you aren't going to playing with a T8 heavy at all, and in this game heavier generally beats lighter, and higher tier most certainly beats lower.
You still don't get it. You don't have a higher chance to win in a Löwe than in a PzIII. You're still facing equal amounts of lower, equal and higher tiers. If anything, playing the Löwe is harder since if you buy it before you've gotten experience in playing Heavies, you're going to be facing a lot more experienced opposition. Additionally, on the lower tiers most tanks die relatively rapidly, whereas you need upwards of 5-6 Good hits on most tanks in the higher tiers which means you have to consider your positioning much more than in lower tiers.
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No, the cost to buy a high tier heavy tank is perfectly consistent. You buy your Lowe, and then you have it, and you get to be one of the Big Dogs long before anyone who is not willing to buy one.
The only way to bypass tiers is to transfer experience. At €1 = 275 gold, you're getting €1 = 6875 converted XP which means that for instance buying the Panther costs about €13 aside from all the battles you have to fight in the Löwe to get that XP. Also not counting the upgrades you have to buy. If you want to go straight from the 3002 to the Panther, that's more like €20.
Your insistence that getting the Löwe means you get to be "one of the Big Dogs" is just silly. If you're in the middle of the pack in a Tier 3-6 battle, it's not a lot different from being in the middle in a 7-10 battle.
QuoteThat is not correct at all. It is not at all uncommon to get into matches where I am up against 4 enemy Lowes. Almost every single one of those would be a mid tier heavy or medium if the Lowe was not available to be bought. I imagine there might be some people who use their Lowe when they have a legitimate high tier heavy available, but that is almost certainly the exception rather than the rule.
Maybe things are different on the US server, but I don't see Löwe in every battle, and I've only seen 4 Löwes on one team very rarely. Additionally, a guy on the forum actually did a survey on the subject, and he found that people driving Löwes without access to T7+ vehicles were the exception rather than the rule.
QuoteOf course. But without the Lowe being available to barbies like you, you barbies would be forced to play on the same even playing field.
:lol:
Are you just pulling my leg? I'm playing on the same field you are, there is no inherent battle advantage to playing the Löwe as opposed to another T-8.
QuoteYou cannot argue that the Lowe doesn't matter - in that case, why were you so foolish to spend all the money for it? You cannot have your cake and eat it too - either the Lowe gives you a significant advantage, in which case it makes perfect sense why so many people are willing to label themselves as bitches for buying one, or it doesn't give any advantage, in which case you are an idiot for spending cash for something that doesn't even help you.
I haven't argued that it doesn't matter. It does matter. It gave me the opportunity to play Heavies long before I had unlocked access to them (OMG UNFIAR) and it increases my credit income. Is it "unfair" to get a premium account? The Löwe increases credits earned by 50%, so does premium account. By your reasoning, you're also a wallet warrior since you're gaining advantages not available to those who won't pay to play.
QuoteSo? What does that have to do with anything? You bought a Lowe, you use it all the time so you can have a T8 heavy without going to the trouble of grinding for it. Whether you use it a lot, a little, or something in between doesn't change much of anything.
I thought you were clever enough to notice that people playing Löwe means fewer lights and mediums in combat, but you're too stupid to make even such a cogent argument. It would actually be the most (only?) serious consequence of the Löwe. The rest is just bitching, but if enough people are playing heavies it will mean very bad matchmaking for the lower tiers.
As usual, you're just full of Hot Berkut. :berkut:
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 11:16:52 AM
You ahve more fun grinding because of course it is more fun to earn the needed xp and creds while blowing away others, instead of doing so while being blown away.
Again with that assumption that you're blowing people away in a Lowe, just because the only Lowes you see are the lucky ones. Here are my stats for several tanks in a German heavy tree:
Panzer IV - 119 enemy killed in 132 games
VK 3601 - 150 enemy killed in 138 games
Lowe - 37 enemy killed in 52 games
If I wanted to blow people away, Tier 5 or Tier 6 German medium sounds like a better bet by far.
QuoteAnd of course you earn them a lot faster.
That is true, and that is why I was using the Lowe for a while. The thing is that I don't have much free time to play the game, and the progress in this game is slow. Time for me is a much more limited commodity than money. If I can save myself 20 frustrating battles with a turd like Lee, I will.
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Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 11:46:45 AM
Never said anything otherwise.
However, there most certainly IS a "pay to win" since if you don't pay for the Lowe, you aren't going to playing with a T8 heavy at all, and in this game heavier generally beats lighter, and higher tier most certainly beats lower.
You still don't get it. You don't have a higher chance to win in a Löwe than in a PzIII.
I am using "win" colloquially, as in "getting to go out and kills hit instead of rnning from people in Tier 8 heavies in your PzIII". Your odds of winning a match are probably not siginifcantly changed whether or not you buy a Lowe.
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You're still facing equal amounts of lower, equal and higher tiers.
Uhhh, no. If you are in a Tier 8, then you are MUCH less likely to face equal or higher tiers than someone in a Tier 4. There are a lot fewer players in Tier 9/10 tanks than there are in Tiers 1-7.
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If anything, playing the Löwe is harder since if you buy it before you've gotten experience in playing Heavies, you're going to be facing a lot more experienced opposition.
Except that you don't need experience to play a Lowe since it takes no skill to blow away Tier 6 mediums in a Lowe. Sure, you will still get owned by someone who did not bitch their way into a high tier heavy, but you were getting owned by those guys without the Lowe anyway.
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Additionally, on the lower tiers most tanks die relatively rapidly, whereas you need upwards of 5-6 Good hits on most tanks in the higher tiers which means you have to consider your positioning much more than in lower tiers.
You don't need 5-6 hits to kill a T6 medium in a Lowe though. Which is why people like you love them so much.
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No, the cost to buy a high tier heavy tank is perfectly consistent. You buy your Lowe, and then you have it, and you get to be one of the Big Dogs long before anyone who is not willing to buy one.
The only way to bypass tiers is to transfer experience.
Patently false. You can buy a Lowe and jump to Tier 8 without transferring a single point of XP.
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Your insistence that getting the Löwe means you get to be "one of the Big Dogs" is just silly. If you're in the middle of the pack in a Tier 3-6 battle, it's not a lot different from being in the middle in a 7-10 battle.
Except that the matchmaker doesn't work that way, which is why it is rather common to see Lowes in the same match with my Tier 4 Leopard. If the matchmaker DID limit matches to one tier above and below, that would be an excellent point. Since it does not, and you know that, it is a rather odd lie. Are you so insecure about your Lowe that you are willing to engage in obvious lies in an attempt to justify it?
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QuoteThat is not correct at all. It is not at all uncommon to get into matches where I am up against 4 enemy Lowes. Almost every single one of those would be a mid tier heavy or medium if the Lowe was not available to be bought. I imagine there might be some people who use their Lowe when they have a legitimate high tier heavy available, but that is almost certainly the exception rather than the rule.
Maybe things are different on the US server, but I don't see Löwe in every battle, and I've only seen 4 Löwes on one team very rarely.
It is a rare battle where there are no Lowes, and seeing several on each side is not unusual. Of course, how often they appear has nothing to do with much of anything insofar as it relates to why people like you buy them and think they are badass because they bought the IWIN tank.
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Additionally, a guy on the forum actually did a survey on the subject, and he found that people driving Löwes without access to T7+ vehicles were the exception rather than the rule.
Oh well, since a guy on a forum did a survey, I guess that settles it.
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QuoteOf course. But without the Lowe being available to barbies like you, you barbies would be forced to play on the same even playing field.
:lol:
Are you just pulling my leg? I'm playing on the same field you are, there is no inherent battle advantage to playing the Löwe as opposed to another T-8.
There is an obvious advantage to playing a Tier 8 heavy as opposed to some not tier 8 not heavy, but of course you know that, which is why you bought the Lowe.
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QuoteYou cannot argue that the Lowe doesn't matter - in that case, why were you so foolish to spend all the money for it? You cannot have your cake and eat it too - either the Lowe gives you a significant advantage, in which case it makes perfect sense why so many people are willing to label themselves as bitches for buying one, or it doesn't give any advantage, in which case you are an idiot for spending cash for something that doesn't even help you.
I haven't argued that it doesn't matter. It does matter. It gave me the opportunity to play Heavies long before I had unlocked access to them (OMG UNFIAR)
Exactly. It is very much unfair. Which is the entire point - you bought yourself into a vehicle that you could not get otherwise, and that vehicle confers a very decided advantage to you, which is exactly why you bought it to begin with. Which is the business model in place - they are letting people buy an unfair advantage.
I am glad you agree with me.
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2011, 12:12:18 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 11:16:52 AM
And of course you earn them a lot faster.
That is true, and that is why I was using the Lowe for a while. The thing is that I don't have much free time to play the game, and the progress in this game is slow. Time for me is a much more limited commodity than money. If I can save myself 20 frustrating battles with a turd like Lee, I will.
Fair enough. Just don't kid yourself into thinking that that has no impact on anyone else playing the game. You are electing to buy yourself more fun at the expense of others. That is fine - that is how the game business model works. But it makes for a much less fair game, since you are letting some people buy their way into an advantage against others in a game that is directly competitive.
Perhaps for you that advantage is not the primary motivation, but you are kidding yourself if you think the slargos of the world out there are the exception, and you are the rule. Quite the opposite, in fact. Most people buy their Lowe thinking that it is their shortcut to being the big dog.
The Leopard example is a bad one. Light tanks have the fewest matched tier restrictions of all, due to their scouting ability (and the fact that you don't even have any beyond a certain level).
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 01:21:12 PM
Fair enough. Just don't kid yourself into thinking that that has no impact on anyone else playing the game. You are electing to buy yourself more fun at the expense of others. That is fine - that is how the game business model works. But it makes for a much less fair game, since you are letting some people buy their way into an advantage against others in a game that is directly competitive.
Perhaps for you that advantage is not the primary motivation, but you are kidding yourself if you think the slargos of the world out there are the exception, and you are the rule. Quite the opposite, in fact. Most people buy their Lowe thinking that it is their shortcut to being the big dog.
That depends on your perspective. Are paying customers who shell out for content the exception, or are are they the rule and the freeloaders are the exception?
I would think that paying customers are the rule, and the non-paying players are just given a chance to play the game for free, if they're willing to put in much more work. Given how ultimately the game cannot be a free game for all, and given that most games do not give players the option to play them for free indefinitely, I think my perspective is the more reasonable one.
Slargos, the only argument you've made that is self-serving crap is to point out that buying a premium account is largely the same thing. In that you are correct, but it misses the issue of scale and competetiveness.
On the issue of scale, a premium account does in fact allow you to progress faster. In fact, I would argue that having a premium account is basically almost necessary to enjoy the game if you are going to play it beyond the first few tiers. But that premium account simply means that you progress through the tiers more quickly, and it is not a huge jump, like just being able to skip over 7 of the most expensive tiers in the game (the 7 tiers path to getting into a Tier 8 heavy). Even with a premium account, I am still not that close to a Tier 8 heavy, even going down the supposedly shorter Soviet heavy path.
And a premium account does not confer an immediate competetive advantage against other players. You still have the same matchmaking service that is going to match you up against the same tiers, and hence you will still have to deal with NOT being the top dog for a very, very long time. Buy yourself a Lowe, and DING! You are in the top echelon of every match, every single time. At most, you will have to deal with opponents 1 or two tiers above you. And maybe it is different from 8-10 as opposed to 5-7, but I am guessing going up against a T9 in a Lowe is not really that much worse than going up against a T5 medium in a T4 medium. IE, it is a slight disadvantage, but better play can overcome it. The Lowe gives you a high tier and a heavy tank.
While better play is not going to overcome going up against a Lowe in a T5. You are just going to die the majority of the time if you cannot run fast enough.
Things that are comparable to the Lowe is stuff like gold ammo, where having it just plain makes you better. But I don't get the feeling that most people find gold ammo to be worth the cost, hence it is not really an issue. ON the other hand, there is no way to really know if some wallet warrior is using it, so I suppose it isn't as easy to get them all worked up as it is to mock the Lowetards.
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Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 01:21:12 PM
Fair enough. Just don't kid yourself into thinking that that has no impact on anyone else playing the game. You are electing to buy yourself more fun at the expense of others. That is fine - that is how the game business model works. But it makes for a much less fair game, since you are letting some people buy their way into an advantage against others in a game that is directly competitive.
Perhaps for you that advantage is not the primary motivation, but you are kidding yourself if you think the slargos of the world out there are the exception, and you are the rule. Quite the opposite, in fact. Most people buy their Lowe thinking that it is their shortcut to being the big dog.
That depends on your perspective. Are paying customers who shell out for content the exception, or are are they the rule and the freeloaders are the exception?
I would think that paying customers are the rule, and the non-paying players are just given a chance to play the game for free, if they're willing to put in much more work. Given how ultimately the game cannot be a free game for all, and given that most games do not give players the option to play them for free indefinitely, I think my perspective is the more reasonable one.
I agree to the extent that I consider premium access the default game level.
Buying a Lowe so you can have the biggest e-dick is another level entirely though.
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2011, 01:24:51 PM
The Leopard example is a bad one. Light tanks have the fewest matched tier restrictions of all, due to their scouting ability (and the fact that you don't even have any beyond a certain level).
Shrug, that doesn't really matter - you start getting the pleasure of dieing to people in Lowes who "just want to earn XP faster" in tier 4 mediums as well.
And if those players didn't have Lowes, they would be right there with you in a T5 or T6 doing the grind with you.
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 01:31:01 PM
Buy yourself a Lowe, and DING! You are in the top echelon of every match, every single time.
:bleeding: That argument will never die, will it? Take my word for it, every time you mention it, it discredits all your other points, because you just can't imagine how misinformed it sounds.
QuoteAt most, you will have to deal with opponents 1 or two tiers above you. And maybe it is different from 8-10 as opposed to 5-7, but I am guessing going up against a T9 in a Lowe is not really that much worse than going up against a T5 medium in a T4 medium.
That has not been my experience. In my experience, it's a lot easier to be a giant killer in lower tiers. One reason may be that derp guns are more prevalent there, so you can always take down a big catch if you hit it right. Another reason is that players are far less experienced in lower tiers. Yet another reason is that until you get to really high tiers, it's rare to encounter a tank that you just can't penetrade anywhere except a weak spot. However, some high tier contraptions like Maus carry half the mine's worth of iron on them.
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2011, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 01:31:01 PM
Buy yourself a Lowe, and DING! You are in the top echelon of every match, every single time.
:bleeding: That argument will never die, will it? Take my word for it, every time you mention it, it discredits all your other points, because you just can't imagine how misinformed it sounds.
The funny thing is that you keep saying this, but don't actually back it up with anything.
How am I wrong? In a T5 medium, in a typical battle with a even distribution above and below me, I am going to have a bunch of vehicles I can easily kill, several that are a good match, and a few that I cannot touch.
If I am in a T8 Heavy, there cannot be all that many much higher than me - there is only 1 tier above me for mediums and TDs, and 2 tiers for heavies! And you can look at the number of players online - only a tiny fraction are crusing around in T10 heavies. In fact, most of the time I look at the matchmaker, there are none or maybe a couple online in the pool. So in your Lowe, the majority of the time you are going to be in matches where most of the players are below or at your level, with a very few high enough that they will dominate you in the manner that you dominate everything else.
You keep saying this is simply not true, and if only I had games in a Lowe, I would understand why - but refuse to explain why. I suspect that the "why" is that if I were the kind of person inclined to buy a shortcut, I would be the kind of person inclined towards the mental gymnastics necessary to convince myself it really isn't much of a shortcut at all, really.
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QuoteAt most, you will have to deal with opponents 1 or two tiers above you. And maybe it is different from 8-10 as opposed to 5-7, but I am guessing going up against a T9 in a Lowe is not really that much worse than going up against a T5 medium in a T4 medium.
That has not been my experience. In my experience, it's a lot easier to be a giant killer in lower tiers.
In my experience, as I move up in Tiers, it is easier to be the big dog, simply because the odds of you being the top tier in a fight instead of a middle or low tier go way up. I don't think anyone is a giant killer often enough that it really matters - what matters are your chances of being relevant in a fight, or just chum for the high tier heavies.
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One reason may be that derp guns are more prevalent there, so you can always take down a big catch if you hit it right. Another reason is that players are far less experienced in lower tiers. Yet another reason is that until you get to really high tiers, it's rare to encounter a tank that you just can't penetrade anywhere except a weak spot.
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I *constantly* run up against tanks I cannot penetrate anywhere, must less in a weak spot. A bunch of them are called "Lowes". The lower tier vehicels that can mount a gun that can hurt vehicles much higher than themselves are the exception, not the rule.
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However, some high tier contraptions like Maus carry half the mine's worth of iron on them.
You really think the relevant comparison is to the highest tier heavy in the entire game? Do you run into the Maus a lot in your Lowe? I've run into them a few times in my DB, even once in my JagdPzIV (which I thought from the matchmaker should not even be possible). But more to the point, a Lowe running into a Maus is to be expected - they are both high tier heavy tanks. A poor little PZIV running into a entire passel of wallet warriors and their Lowes is par for the course. And at least you can say "Hey, that Maus driver put in his time and work to get what he got so he can roll over me like a cheap tin can".
The Lowe driver did nothing to get his tank that can kill almost everything out there, and is impervious to half the stuff it faces...except spend some money.
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 02:25:15 PM
You keep saying this is simply not true, and if only I had games in a Lowe, I would understand why - but refuse to explain why. I suspect that the "why" is that if I were the kind of person inclined to buy a shortcut, I would be the kind of person inclined towards the mental gymnastics necessary to convince myself it really isn't much of a shortcut at all, really.
Actually, I do not refuse to explain why, it is you who refuses to listen to the explanation, and instead chooses to speculate about my motives.
I posted the stats for every German heavy tree tank I played long enough to have a good sample. When I play the tanks, I try to do the best I can, I do not intentionally sandbag in a Lowe so that I can make my point in a debate like this.
My stats clearly show that Lowe is a less dominating tank, in the battles it fights, than either Pz IV or VK 3601. The stats also flatter Lowe a little, because premium tanks don't have the beginning stretches where the stock configuration drags down the averages. I also had max kills of 7 and 8 with the "merit" tanks, whereas my best streak in Lowe is 3, IIRC.
The numbers, at least where my performance is concerned, do not in any way support your theory. Lowe simply doesn't get to dominate the field nearly as often as Pz IV or VK 3601. Yeah, you may feel that it's unfair if Lowes do get to dominate, whereas guys in Pz IV or VK 3601 earned it, but then it's a different point. The one you're making just isn't holding any water.
My point is not dependent on every single person everywhere dominating their matches in Lowes even when they cherry pick out comparisons where they've done better outside a Lowe - so your singular "example" where you select out some cases where you've done better in other vehicles has little, if any, bearing on my point.
So no, your particular example does not explain why at all. You could just suck in a Lowe, or it could be that you've not had sufficient matches for its superiority to establish itself, or you could just be unlucky. Why don't you compare how you do in your Lowe to how you do in all your tanks? Why have you selected just two to compare it with? I imagine that is because they are the two best ratios you have.
Your stats do NOT clearly show that the Lowe is not better than other non purchased vehicels. All they show is that you've had better succcess in two vehicles than you have had in your Lowe. I would think you would understand that cherry picking comparisons would invalidate your point.
As far as questioning your motives, the entire discussion is about the motives of people who spend a bunch of cash to jump into tanks they have not earned. You cite as your example your 37 matches in a Lowe, while ignoring the fact that slargos has 300 matches in his - and I am sure he does MUCH better in his other tanks, which is why he has 300 matches in his Lowe...right?
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 03:10:38 PM
the entire discussion is about the motives of people who spend a bunch of cash to jump into tanks they have not earned.
:hmm:
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 03:10:38 PM
So no, your particular example does not explain why at all. You could just suck in a Lowe, or it could be that you've not had sufficient matches for its superiority to establish itself, or you could just be unlucky. Why don't you compare how you do in your Lowe to how you do in all your tanks? Why have you selected just two to compare it with? I imagine that is because they are the two best ratios you have.
Your imagination needs to develop more faith in other people.
I did not cherrypick the stats, I just thought that the most appropriate comparison would be with the tanks on the similar path to Lowe, especially those that you don't have to work too long for. Out of the German tanks in the heavy tree, only Pz IV and 3601 had a lot of games. Maybe in a couple of days, I'll have a big enough sample for Tiger as well.
For all the tanks combined, the kills/games ratio is about what it is for Lowe, at 2/3. I'll confirm that when I open the game next time. That would be a less useful number, though, because it would include arty stats (much higher than for tanks, generally), as well as light tank stats (much lower than for tanks, generally).
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As far as questioning your motives, the entire discussion is about the motives of people who spend a bunch of cash to jump into tanks they have not earned. You cite as your example your 37 matches in a Lowe, while ignoring the fact that slargos has 300 matches in his - and I am sure he does MUCH better in his other tanks, which is why he has 300 matches in his Lowe...right?
It's actually 52 matches, it's 37 kills. I do not know Slarg's stats in Lowe, and how they compare to the totals.
WOW. :huh:
Now you've really gone off the deep end, Berkut.
I don't know if you're trolling me, or if you're really that ignorant/stupid, but I guess either way we're not really getting anywhere. Have fun with your game, man. :)
AHhh, I see we've moved into the part of the debate where you abandon any pretense of making actual arguments and just go with the straight "You are so stupid!" attacks. I rest my case. Enjoy your Lowe.
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 03:42:28 PM
AHhh, I see we've moved into the part of the debate where you abandon any pretense of making actual arguments and just go with the straight "You are so stupid!" attacks. I rest my case. Enjoy your Lowe.
Given that you dismiss all arguments with "Nuh uh" I don't really see the point.
You will eventually realize the flaw in your reasoning once you get to Tier 8 yourself, and by then you will have conveniently forgotten this argument.
Your entire line of reasoning is perplexing to me. Why do you care whether a guy who's "earned" his tanks blows you away or a guy who's bought it does the same thing? You really don't make sense.
Quote from: Slargos on July 22, 2011, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 03:42:28 PM
AHhh, I see we've moved into the part of the debate where you abandon any pretense of making actual arguments and just go with the straight "You are so stupid!" attacks. I rest my case. Enjoy your Lowe.
Given that you dismiss all arguments with "Nuh uh" I don't really see the point.
You will eventually realize the flaw in your reasoning once you get to Tier 8 yourself, and by then you will have conveniently forgotten this argument.
Your entire line of reasoning is perplexing to me. Why do you care whether a guy who's "earned" his tanks blows you away or a guy who's bought it does the same thing? You really don't make sense.
It is really very simple. Allowing people to buy their way up the ladder makes it harder for those who didn't buy their way up to get up that ladder themselves, because the game is about competing with the others working their way up the ladder.
It is really very simple, I don't understand why you cannot grasp why basically everyone playing the game who has NOT bought themselves into a T8 heavy thinks that those who have are mostly a bunch of d-bags.
Heck, I can understand perfectly well the argument you use to tell yourself that you really haven't done exactly what you set out to do - I don't accept it as valid of course (if I did I imagine I would run out and by myself a shiny new Lowe myself and then argue with people that it really doesn't matter and is no help at all really fer sher!), but I can at least understand it.
No, it doesn't.
No, they don't.
No, you don't.
Among the things which are completely beyond your grasp and ability to comprehend, Berkut, is for instance the biggest ACTUAL problem with Löwe:
Their drivers are often inexperienced.
They are frequently a problem for their teams because they don't know how to handle heavies, they don't know how to hull-down or angle their armour, and they don't know how to aim for weak spots in enemy tanks. When one team gets a Löwe, and the other team gets a Tiger II, there's no telling whether the Löwe driver is in his 20th game or 2000th, but you know that the Tiger II driver has played enough to at least have experience even if he doesn't necessarily have skill.
"OMG TAKES NO SKILL TO KILL T6".
No, you stupid mother fucker, but it takes skill to properly employ your Top in such a manner that your team gets better use out of you than the opposing team gets out of their best tank.
Another problem is that a lot of Löwe drivers aren't in the match to win, they're just in it to get a bit of credits and XP, in order to be able to quickly start another match. Hence, they play recklessly and get killed much sooner than they should.
Since the matchmaker will TYPICALLY assign an even number of High-tier tanks, having a Löwe on your team can actually be a DETRIMENT. You don't understand this, because you're only ever on the muzzle end of the Löwe.
The problem isn't that you don't understand, but that you don't understand how you could ever be wrong.
You are making this argument as if I've disagreed with it.
Yes, getting a crappy Lowe driver on your team taking a slot that could be filled with a competent heavy driver is no advantage to your team. That is yet ANOTHER reason why non-Lowe players have perfectly valid contempt for Lowe drivers, and another reason why the existence of the Lowe degrades the quality of the gameplay. Thanks for making my argument for me.
And yes, Lowe drivers are often d-bags who just want to stomp on the low tiers and, as you have said, rake in the creds and free xp. Yet another reason why people hold them in contempt. Once again, thanks for making my argument for me.
I understand what you are saying perfectly - what is funny is that you cannot understand that you are making MY argument for me.
Yeah, that Lowe may not be helping their team. They certainly are not helping the mid-low tiers they are blowing away. But hey! They are helping THEMSELVES! And really, isn't that what is truly important to the Lowebitch? Of course it is.
:rolleyes:
So what's the difference between me driving my Tiger II, or my Löwe?
Because your argument seems to be flowing like a raging river.
Now it's "Löwes suck", and now it's "Löwes give unfair advantage" and now it's "OMG Löwes are killingmachines".
Who said there was any difference? Not I.
My argument is that the Lowe makes the game less fair and less fun overall, and from a strictly gameplay perspective, they are a net negative on the quality of the game.
I never claimed "they suck", so that is out. They most certainly do give an unfair advantage - that is self-evident - if they did not, you would not pay for one. They are not anymore killing machines than the other high tier heavies, but those are most certainly killing machines to everyone NOT in a high tier heavy - which I've said from the beginning.
The fact is that the Lowe makes the game less fun for everyone but the d-bags who drive them. It makes the game more fun for them at the expense of everyone else, which is exactly why people like you will pay the cash for them. They are an unfortunate evil of the business model. The game itself would be better if they did not exist.
So I've been playing my KV because it is fun, and I had enough XP for the KV-1S even though I am almost halfway to the IS on the KV-3 path. I went ahead and bought a KV-1S just because DG said it was way better than the KV-3.
It's funny how different perceptions can be. I am totally underwhelmed by the KV-1S. It is a medium tank, drives like a medium tank, fights like a medium tank. It is a slow medium tank rather than a fast heavy tank. I am doing pretty well with it so far, but I think I will just use it to research the 122mm gun for the IS and call it a day. Maybe someday I will get the KV-13 and try out the Soviet mediums.
The 122mm gun is what makes the tank, it is less than whelming before you can get it. It is a heavy medium, so you should play it like a medium. It's also much closer to how IS handles, so if you plan on playing IS's, you should get some practice with KV-1S.
Quote from: DGuller on July 22, 2011, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 22, 2011, 03:10:38 PM
So no, your particular example does not explain why at all. You could just suck in a Lowe, or it could be that you've not had sufficient matches for its superiority to establish itself, or you could just be unlucky. Why don't you compare how you do in your Lowe to how you do in all your tanks? Why have you selected just two to compare it with? I imagine that is because they are the two best ratios you have.
For all the tanks combined, the kills/games ratio is about what it is for Lowe, at 2/3. I'll confirm that when I open the game next time. That would be a less useful number, though, because it would include arty stats (much higher than for tanks, generally), as well as light tank stats (much lower than for tanks, generally).
Actually, my total kill/game ratio is 0.73. So the Lowe average of 0.71 is actually slightly below my total average. It's definitely not the easy ticket to battle domination, at least not in my hands.
Argh, Tiger is every bit as annoying stock as people make it sound. WTF were the Germans thinking putting armor at right angles in 1942?
I'm still maxing out my SU-76. Need another 3500 XP for the radio. So, at an avg. 220/battle it will take me roughly 15-20 more battles.
So far 112 battles (I only play a couple per day), of which I survived 33, and I've killed a measly 41 (the ratio slowly starts getting better). I've also started levelling the American mediums, now at tier 2. :blush:
I would not bother with the radio unless you really want to. Get into the SU-85B first, and get that 85mm gun.
The idea was to bring the SU-76 to elite status so I can carry over the XP from it when the SU-85 is, uhm, out. No good idea?
Quote from: Syt on July 22, 2011, 11:14:15 PM
The idea was to bring the SU-76 to elite status so I can carry over the XP from it when the SU-85 is, uhm, out. No good idea?
Depends. The increase in radio range is always useful, but more to the point: Can you use the radio elsewhere? If you can, and you feel like you're getting good XP income with that particular tank, I would Elite it. Some tanks will simply rub you the wrong way, depending on the play style of that particular tank vs the opposition you're facing and I've certainly found that a new tank doesn't necessarily improve my rate of XP acquisition.
The one mistake I made while rushing up the German Heavy tree was not realizing how much equipment carried over to the TD tree and later tanks so instead of getting the XP for the parts in a fully tricked out tank I spent a lot of time researching basic items like engines and radios with stock tanks which is obviously a fucking pain in the ass. Planning ahead will make your life easier in the long run.
Quote from: Syt on July 22, 2011, 11:14:15 PM
The idea was to bring the SU-76 to elite status so I can carry over the XP from it when the SU-85 is, uhm, out. No good idea?
Not sure what you mean - once a tank is elite, any further xp earned with that tank can be transferred to free xp, for gold.
But once you start using the SU-85B, would you really go back and keep playing the SU-76B? If not, there is no real reason to take it to elite status.
The one good reason to get the radio researched is that it might be easier getting that 4090 XP in the Tier 3 TD rather than the T4 TD. And the radio is common to them both. In fact, you are going to use that radio throught the T6 I think.
But a radio is not really a critical piece of equipment for a TD. And the radio costs 4k to research, while the SU-85B is less than 3k. Unless you are just having a blast playing the -76 and don't really want ot move to the -85, I would go to the -85 and research the radio then.
Man I hate playing stock tanks. :frusty:
Tiger 2: 12 matches, 2 victories.
Granted, I always overestimate the armour of my new heavy tanks given how I've been suffering from them playing lighter tanks, but it seems I need to get into a new groove every time I upgrade. I got the short 10.5 and new tracks immediately, but it really hurts to not have the upgraded turret and the long 10.5.
Oh hoh hoh. I love it.
A wolfpack of mediums, 2 DBs, a Panther II, a Patton and a T-44 just swarmed over a JagdTiger, 2 Løwe, a DB and an IS. Came out of it with one casualty.
Me. <_<
But I ran point, and got everyone to point their guns at me for the crucial 20 seconds it took to swarm them. :yeah:
Blowing all my free experience piggy bank on the long 88 seems to have been worth it. While I still get pulverized as if I'm a Paper Tiger, which is I think is a bit ahistorical, at least I regularly take 2 tanks with me.
Quote from: DGuller on July 23, 2011, 05:33:40 PM
Blowing all my free experience piggy bank on the long 88 seems to have been worth it. While I still get pulverized as if I'm a Paper Tiger, which is I think is a bit ahistorical, at least I regularly take 2 tanks with me.
That is for damn sure.
The Tiger can't play its historical role as spearhead tank, but what it can do is deal good damage at range. Look at it as a heavy TD and you'll get better results. Don't enter CQB unless you really have to.
Don't forget to Elite it. It really needs the engine upgrades.
The reasoning from the devs is pretty irritating. They can state "it's not a simulation" and "historically, this is how it looked" almost in the same damn sentence. The end result typically seems to be that the armour and penetration/damage of German tanks is ridiculous. The accuracy frankly doesn't make up for it. In a long range duel with an IS-X it doesn't really matter that his precision is ~5-10% worse since the majority of shots will land close to the center of the reticle anyway.
I'm definitely playing it as TD, and I'm staying out of any areas where I might encounter enemy up close. I even put both coated optics and telescope on it, as well as camo. The amusing side effect is that I can now spot some enemy tanks on the other side of Campinovka, which is a huge advantage if you got smart arty on your team.
Quote from: DGuller on July 23, 2011, 05:46:29 PM
I'm definitely playing it as TD, and I'm staying out of any areas where I might encounter enemy up close. I even put both coated optics and telescope on it, as well as camo. The amusing side effect is that I can now spot some enemy tanks on the other side of Campinovka, which is a huge advantage if you got smart arty on your team.
Really? That sounds pretty useful.
I would drop the camo though. Get ventilation instead. Or what'sitsname. The +5% skill.
Camo isn't cumulative, the bonus is a multiplier for your base camo value which AFAIK isn't very high for the german heavies.
Is there a sight more beautiful than the huge, exposed undercarriage of a big, bad tank? :) :mmm:
Quote from: Slargos on July 23, 2011, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 23, 2011, 05:46:29 PM
I'm definitely playing it as TD, and I'm staying out of any areas where I might encounter enemy up close. I even put both coated optics and telescope on it, as well as camo. The amusing side effect is that I can now spot some enemy tanks on the other side of Campinovka, which is a huge advantage if you got smart arty on your team.
Really? That sounds pretty useful.
I would drop the camo though. Get ventilation instead. Or what'sitsname. The +5% skill.
Camo isn't cumulative, the bonus is a multiplier for your base camo value which AFAIK isn't very high for the german heavies.
I might do that. I put on the camo because I didn't have any other unused equipment available. Eventually I'll get something more useful.
Quote from: DGuller on July 23, 2011, 06:13:46 PM
Is there a sight more beautiful than the huge, exposed undercarriage of a big, bad tank? :) :mmm:
:D
I've probably mentioned it before, but in the top three most memorable moments of this game, I one-shot an IS-4 (might've been a 3, I forget, so maybe not THAT memorable, or I'm just engaging in sub-conscious hilarity inflation) as it was cresting a hill. Clipped his ammo and POOF.
Guy ranted for several minutes. :D
First time ever I tried to fire a shot in the dark. It was El Haluf map, so there are plenty of obvious camping spots. I looked at one of the narrow spots between two sharp hills, though to myself "hmm, that's a good camping spots, I wonder if someone just like me is camping there", and fired my 107 SU-85 gun. Half a second later one of the enemy arties pops up with a dark spot over it. :menace:
Did you get the kill?
If he hit it, he got it.
I don't think I've ever made a kill out of chance shots into likely locations (although I usually like to lob a grenade into the TD camper spot in Ensk, which sometimes connects), though I've gotten a lot of prediction kills after I've lost sight of an opponent but placed a shot where I think he'll reposition to. Granted, I am wary of placing those kinds of shots since I usually run with pretty expensive ammo. A few wasted shots in a match without many hits can mean the difference between a net gain or loss of credits.
Quote from: Slargos on July 23, 2011, 06:56:00 PM
I don't think I've ever made a kill out of chance shots into likely locations (although I usually like to lob a grenade into the TD camper spot in Ensk, which sometimes connects), though I've gotten a lot of prediction kills after I've lost sight of an opponent but placed a shot where I think he'll reposition to. Granted, I am wary of placing those kinds of shots since I usually run with pretty expensive ammo. A few wasted shots in a match without many hits can mean the difference between a net gain or loss of credits.
That I do all the time, and I've gotten a lot of kills like that. But I've never fired into a space hoping to hit someone who wasn't even spotted yet.
Quote from: DGuller on July 23, 2011, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 23, 2011, 06:56:00 PM
I don't think I've ever made a kill out of chance shots into likely locations (although I usually like to lob a grenade into the TD camper spot in Ensk, which sometimes connects), though I've gotten a lot of prediction kills after I've lost sight of an opponent but placed a shot where I think he'll reposition to. Granted, I am wary of placing those kinds of shots since I usually run with pretty expensive ammo. A few wasted shots in a match without many hits can mean the difference between a net gain or loss of credits.
That I do all the time, and I've gotten a lot of kills like that. But I've never fired into a space hoping to hit someone who wasn't even spotted yet.
It's certainly a good tactic in theory and I see some people actively using it, and a lot of people talking about it on the forums.. There are some very frequented locations in most maps, and odds are there's going to be someone sitting in that particular bush.
The problems I have with it, however:
1. Cost. Wasting ammo at 1000+ credits a pop goes against my nature as a cheapskate.
2. Opening fire leaves you vulnerable to detection and return fire for just a chance of doing some damage. Again, against my nature as a TD player. :D
3. A random shot may indeed connect, but since you don't know the exact position of the tank, it's very likely to bounce.
Regardless, I bet it was a pretty satisfactory shot to make. :D
Well, maybe 1 or 2 more battles in my KV-3 and it will be on the IS. It's funny, I like the KV-3, and yet I am not really that good in it. Only about a 0.5 kill/match ratio, which is the lowest of any tank I've had more than 100 matches in...
The KV-1S which I don't like as much, has a much better kill ratio, even without the 122mm gun in it.
SU-85 has to be my biggest turnaround tank yet. When I started with it, I was utterly hopeless with it, but towards the end I easily bagged 4 enemies per match. I almost got the kill/match ratio to 1 before I retired it.
Glorious day. I'm finally rid of T1 heavy tank. I even managed to go out on a high note, bagging 4 enemies and 1,500 XP. What a turd of a tank, though.
Quote from: DGuller on July 23, 2011, 11:32:14 PM
Glorious day. I'm finally rid of T1 heavy tank. I even managed to go out on a high note, bagging 4 enemies and 1,500 XP. What a turd of a tank, though.
I have a love-hate relationship with that tank. I love facing it since it's just a big old paper target. I hate killing it because it seems to have thousands upon thousands of HP. :D
Following the above discussion, I'm now levelling three tanks:
- BT-7 (for Soviet mediums)
- German TDs (currently at PzJ1 :blush: )
- M2 American (for US heavies)
Not a bad choice.
The T-54 is the best medium in the game bar fucking none. No other medium can compete with it.
The German TD tree is love it or hate it. Marder II is the vehicle of choice for the guy with the highest victory % of IIRC the EU server, and from Marder to JagdPanther they're all good hiders with reasonable guns.
The US heavies are great if you know how to properly hull-down [since they have fantastic turret armour]. If not, I would actually switch to Soviet heavies were I you. The reason being that a lot of the research will carry over from your medium line, and you won't have to do the work twice as you will if you go several separate lines. For the same reason it is also probably adviceable to go Soviet TD aswell.
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Quote from: DGuller on July 23, 2011, 11:32:14 PM
Glorious day. I'm finally rid of T1 heavy tank. I even managed to go out on a high note, bagging 4 enemies and 1,500 XP. What a turd of a tank, though.
Holy shit. Counterpoint! :worthy:
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Goddamnit I hate the SPGs.
Sitting in my Ferdinand, solo-defending the bridge on that mountainy map with a north-west south-east flag orientation. I forget what it's called.
I am horribly outmatched since I'm facing an IS, a VK45, an ISU-152 and a Löwe.
Yet still I manage to destroy the IS that attempts to facehug me (Note for future reference, don't facehug a Ferdinand unless you've got a gun that can penetrate the casemate, there's just ZERO point to it :lmfao: ) seriously damage the Löwe and get a couple of hits on the VK.
So what happens? Do I get to triumphantly play Gandalf on the bridge? Fuck no. Arty zeroes me and takes 80% of my HP in one shot. I get a couple more shots off, but then the SPG decides to brush me off the map and it's game over.
I really, really, reallyreally reallyreally reallyreally reallyreally hate the SPGs. :mad:
I will say this on the King Tiger.
Its HP to Weight ratio is 12.7 per ton atm, but the top speed is 28 while the Löwe gets 35 at 8.5 per ton. Sure, the KT has noticably better acceleration, but it still feels like the much bitched Anti-German bias at work.
My sample size so far is very small, but I am getting the feeling that I'm ranked against higher tiers in the KT than in the Löwe. So sure, there may be some truth to Berkut's bitching. Not a lot. But some.
Finally!
My first real self-created victory in the King Tiger earns me Steel Wall, Top Gun, Wittman and Master Gunner [not to mention complaints about maphacking]. :yeah:
No coincidence, I think, that it's the first battle I play with the upgraded turret. It makes quite a big difference.
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 08:25:40 AM
Goddamnit I hate the SPGs.
I really, really, reallyreally reallyreally reallyreally reallyreally hate the SPGs. :mad:
As someone told me, stop camping :rolleyes:
Quote from: katmai on July 24, 2011, 12:10:12 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 08:25:40 AM
Goddamnit I hate the SPGs.
I really, really, reallyreally reallyreally reallyreally reallyreally hate the SPGs. :mad:
As someone told me, stop camping :rolleyes:
:D
If it was me, I was just fucking with you. If it was Berkut.. well.. IDK about that guy. He's a bit loopy.
Regardless, someone has to either defend or attack through each lane. Since no one else was willing to attack over the bridge, someone has to defend it. :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 07:43:09 AM
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Did a light with a machine gun try to hit your turret?
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 08:52:02 AM
I will say this on the King Tiger.
Its HP to Weight ratio is 12.7 per ton atm, but the top speed is 28 while the Löwe gets 35 at 8.5 per ton. Sure, the KT has noticably better acceleration, but it still feels like the much bitched Anti-German bias at work.
My sample size so far is very small, but I am getting the feeling that I'm ranked against higher tiers in the KT than in the Löwe. So sure, there may be some truth to Berkut's bitching. Not a lot. But some.
Top speed is not necessarily a function of hp/weight, only acceleration is. Top speed is usually limited by the governor, which in turn is set to the speed the tracks and engine can take.
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Uhh, wow. Was it you against the entire server population of 20mm guns?
Quote from: Berkut on July 24, 2011, 01:01:58 PM
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Uhh, wow. Was it you against the entire server population of 20mm guns?
Wasn't me. And there were no autoguns in that game. Smallest tank was a PzIII.
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 01:08:06 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 24, 2011, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 07:43:09 AM
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Uhh, wow. Was it you against the entire server population of 20mm guns?
Wasn't me. And there were no autoguns in that game. Smallest tank was a PzIII.
Oh, I thought that was you. Not nearly as cool when it is just some guy I don't even know. :(
Quote from: Berkut on July 24, 2011, 01:21:52 PM
Oh, I thought that was you. Not nearly as cool when it is just some guy I don't even know. :(
Well, point being that the tank DGuller decried as "worthless" took 89 goddamned hits in a game. That is amazing regardless of who it is.
I'll post a few screenshots of the hits I take with my Löwe later. :hug:
Quote from: DGuller on July 24, 2011, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 08:52:02 AM
I will say this on the King Tiger.
Its HP to Weight ratio is 12.7 per ton atm, but the top speed is 28 while the Löwe gets 35 at 8.5 per ton. Sure, the KT has noticably better acceleration, but it still feels like the much bitched Anti-German bias at work.
My sample size so far is very small, but I am getting the feeling that I'm ranked against higher tiers in the KT than in the Löwe. So sure, there may be some truth to Berkut's bitching. Not a lot. But some.
Top speed is not necessarily a function of hp/weight, only acceleration is. Top speed is usually limited by the governor, which in turn is set to the speed the tracks and engine can take.
Oh. Well. Regardless, the Tiger II had a top speed of 42 km/h. In this game it tops out at 28. Fucking Soviets.
You know what I really like about my Leopard?
I have something to do, even if I am the only T4 in the entire game. I may not be able to actually do it, but it is fun to try.
When you have some T5 medium and you are dead last on the list, you know you don't really have anything to do except stay out of the way and hope to pick some people off. Which probably won't work.
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 01:24:20 PM
Well, point being that the tank DGuller decried as "worthless" took 89 goddamned hits in a game. That is amazing regardless of who it is.
I'll post a few screenshots of the hits I take with my Löwe later. :hug:
I don't evaluate tanks based on how many hits they can take. That T1 is so large that pretty much any time someone shoots from the enemies side, they have to hit some part of my tank, even if they weren't even shooting at me. The fact that the guy had to fire 29 shots to take down a couple of Tier 5 tanks is what's really indicative of its worth.
Quote from: Berkut on July 24, 2011, 01:36:05 PM
You know what I really like about my Leopard?
I have something to do, even if I am the only T4 in the entire game. I may not be able to actually do it, but it is fun to try.
When you have some T5 medium and you are dead last on the list, you know you don't really have anything to do except stay out of the way and hope to pick some people off. Which probably won't work.
Not true. Depends on the map, of course, but you can always spot. A T5 that runs ahead of a couple of T7-9 Heavies and TDs may mean the difference in the initial exchange. Trading a T5 for a T8 is always good maths. You may not actually get to "do" much yourself, but it can certainly be more helpful towards a victory than pinging a few shots off some T8's hull. Additionally, in city maps you can flank the opponent. It certainly fills me with a great amount of satisfaction watching 4-5 heavies turns around and expose themselves to fire as they work to get rid of me. With a bit of luck you'll take a couple of shots initially, and then when you die it's a whole volley of wasted fire.
I faced 3 Mouse in my Ferdinand in the open today. Instead of just sitting there and accepting my fate, I started shooting and scooting. Take a shot, reverse like hell. Managed to damage 5 tanks and score one kill in the process before they took me out, including 2 Mouse, but more importantly all the while they were blasting away at me, the guys a couple of hundred meters back in the tree line were shelling them without interruption.
It's not your number of kills that determines your value to the team, but how much damage you deal and how much you are able to interrupt the enemy's achievement of their goals.
Hell, I've effectively singlehandedly won matches in a low tier against high tiers by sniping them as both teams cap. It doesn't matter if you just do 1% of damage, the counter still resets.
Quote from: DGuller on July 24, 2011, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 01:24:20 PM
Well, point being that the tank DGuller decried as "worthless" took 89 goddamned hits in a game. That is amazing regardless of who it is.
I'll post a few screenshots of the hits I take with my Löwe later. :hug:
I don't evaluate tanks based on how many hits they can take. That T1 is so large that pretty much any time someone shoots from the enemies side, they have to hit some part of my tank, even if they weren't even shooting at me. The fact that the guy had to fire 29 shots to take down a couple of Tier 5 tanks is what's really indicative of its worth.
A fair point, I guess.
It was just amusing to me that while we were talking about it here, someone posted the screenie on WoT forum.
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 24, 2011, 01:36:05 PM
You know what I really like about my Leopard?
I have something to do, even if I am the only T4 in the entire game. I may not be able to actually do it, but it is fun to try.
When you have some T5 medium and you are dead last on the list, you know you don't really have anything to do except stay out of the way and hope to pick some people off. Which probably won't work.
Not true. Depends on the map, of course, but you can always spot. A T5 that runs ahead of a couple of T7-9 Heavies and TDs may mean the difference in the initial exchange. Trading a T5 for a T8 is always good maths. You may not actually get to "do" much yourself, but it can certainly be more helpful towards a victory than pinging a few shots off some T8's hull. Additionally, in city maps you can flank the opponent. It certainly fills me with a great amount of satisfaction watching 4-5 heavies turns around and expose themselves to fire as they work to get rid of me. With a bit of luck you'll take a couple of shots initially, and then when you die it's a whole volley of wasted fire.
I faced 3 Mouse in my Ferdinand in the open today. Instead of just sitting there and accepting my fate, I started shooting and scooting. Take a shot, reverse like hell. Managed to damage 5 tanks and score one kill in the process before they took me out, including 2 Mouse, but more importantly all the while they were blasting away at me, the guys a couple of hundred meters back in the tree line were shelling them without interruption.
It's not your number of kills that determines your value to the team, but how much damage you deal and how much you are able to interrupt the enemy's achievement of their goals.
Hell, I've effectively singlehandedly won matches in a low tier against high tiers by sniping them as both teams cap. It doesn't matter if you just do 1% of damage, the counter still resets.
Yes, I know there are all kinds of things you can do, in theory. What you really do when you are in a T5 against a bunch of high tiers is TRY to do all those things and die. Now and again it works, but it is the exception rather than the rule. Your "dsitraction" typically amount to someone going "Hey, look, a medium. How cute! Blam!"
I like how you use as your example your experience in one of the most heavily armored units in the game. Yeah, that is very comparable to a T5 medium. A Ferdinand.
Quote from: Berkut on July 24, 2011, 01:57:53 PM
Yes, I know there are all kinds of things you can do, in theory. What you really do when you are in a T5 against a bunch of high tiers is TRY to do all those things and die. Now and again it works, but it is the exception rather than the rule. Your "dsitraction" typically amount to someone going "Hey, look, a medium. How cute! Blam!"
I like how you use as your example your experience in one of the most heavily armored units in the game. Yeah, that is very comparable to a T5 medium. A Ferdinand.
:lol:
Going up against three little mice (and their screens, I think there were about 7 tanks in total), it's a pop gun in an asbestos cart.
You can get lucky and deflect shots by angling it, but most people don't aim for the casemate, and even a T6 gun can penetrate the lower glacis. And since the casemate isn't angled very much, all that impressive armour can't even reliably bounce a T7 gun.
I was just using an example in recent memory where I was in the lower third of the roster.
Quote from: Slargos on July 24, 2011, 02:04:26 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 24, 2011, 01:57:53 PM
Yes, I know there are all kinds of things you can do, in theory. What you really do when you are in a T5 against a bunch of high tiers is TRY to do all those things and die. Now and again it works, but it is the exception rather than the rule. Your "dsitraction" typically amount to someone going "Hey, look, a medium. How cute! Blam!"
I like how you use as your example your experience in one of the most heavily armored units in the game. Yeah, that is very comparable to a T5 medium. A Ferdinand.
:lol:
Going up against three little mice (and their screens, I think there were about 7 tanks in total), it's a pop gun in an asbestos cart.
You can get lucky and deflect shots by angling it, but most people don't aim for the casemate, and even a T6 gun can penetrate the lower glacis. And since the casemate isn't angled very much, all that impressive armour can't even reliably bounce a T7 gun.
I was just using an example in recent memory where I was in the lower third of the roster.
Fair enough, I don't even really think anything you posted was incompatabile with what I was saying. You were just being a "glass is half full" kind of guy, and I was being a "glass is half empty". The results for both of us is about the same, I imagine. It's not like I just throw my hands up in the air and refuse to play when I get a poor match (from a personal perspective).
I just had a match in my IS where we had 6 SPGs and the other side had 5. That was rather odd.
Quote from: Berkut on July 24, 2011, 02:10:44 PM
Fair enough, I don't even really think anything you posted was incompatabile with what I was saying. You were just being a "glass is half full" kind of guy, and I was being a "glass is half empty". The results for both of us is about the same, I imagine. It's not like I just throw my hands up in the air and refuse to play when I get a poor match (from a personal perspective).
I just had a match in my IS where we had 6 SPGs and the other side had 5. That was rather odd.
Man I hate those.
5 is the worst I've seen so far. It really becomes a spotter's game though, which I'm sure is fun if you happen to be in one of those tanks.
Yesterday's "Oh shit" moment: peaking carefully around a corner with my M2, only to stare into the gun barrels of four tank destroyers who all fire the second they see you. Game over, man, game over!
I am in desperate need of more patience.
I just realized I am a "rusher" - that person who tends to run out in front of anyone else because waiting sucks, and promptly gets blown away.
This works out ok when you are scouting, but in most other cases is a recipe for disaster. I bet 2/3rds of my no kill games are because I am one of the first to die because I am too aggressive.
You might say that the other team got owned a little. It was 16 shots and 16 hits for me, and all the shots I made after being nearly killed by a scout. It was a rare good performance in T40 for me. In fact, that performance lets me move on to the Wolverine.
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Quote from: Berkut on July 24, 2011, 10:08:12 PM
I am in desperate need of more patience.
I just realized I am a "rusher" - that person who tends to run out in front of anyone else because waiting sucks, and promptly gets blown away.
This works out ok when you are scouting, but in most other cases is a recipe for disaster. I bet 2/3rds of my no kill games are because I am one of the first to die because I am too aggressive.
What improved my game a lot was playing VK 3601 with a conical gun. You just absolutely cannot play with that configuration as a rusher, so it teaches you how to find spots to shoot from the back row, so to speak. After I learned that, my performance improved in most tanks.
Sigh.
Arctic. East start.
Saw my fellow JagdPanther make a dash straight for the open field and figured that if two of us go there we might actually pull off a nice flanking of their southern attack. And we did. He hid behind a rock and pretty rapidly got himself killed while I without support took out 5 tanks in the most amazing open field brawl I have ever pulled off, in a goddamned TD no less. My only cover was the charred wreckages of my victims.
What are my teammates doing?
Take a wild fucking guess. They're hiding behind the corner.
Down to 10% HP and facing a 50% IS, we had a sort of standoff on opposite sides of the cliff for maybe 30-45 seconds. I was wary since I knew the next shot would kill me, and he was probably too busy pissing his pants. Do my teammates react? No. They sit there.
Eventually the IS skips out and while I get a shot off to get him down to 25%, his next round takes me out. All the while the two KVs sit just around the corner, maybe 5-10 seconds away.
Rage. Utter rage.
I got to 8 wins in a row with the SU-76 before my first loss. Now I have 10-12. Piece of shit tank.
Latest update:
I went ahead and bought the KV-1S in order to use it to research the 122mm D-2-5T for the IS while my KV-3 worked on researching the IS itself.
So I was able to get the IS and its new gun pretty much at the same time. The IS is very nice. Very, very nice. I like it, and am thinking I am going to like it even more once I get the upgraded engine for it. Nice heavy tank with good mobility.
I was going to just sell the 1S, but think I will keep playing it off and on to get the KV-13 branch in case I want to go down the Soviet medium path at some point. I really like my 3002DB and how it plays as a great close range brawler, but I understand the Panther/Panther II are much more ranged snipers than brawlers, so I might want to have a Soviet high end medium to play as my get up close and personal tank.
Still plucking away at the German TD branch, maybe 1/3rd of the way to the JagdPanther, and still working on the US TD as well, almost up to the Slugger. I sold my M7 Priest though - 41k XP for the next US SPG is just going to take forever at the rate you earn with a SPG. Matches tend to take 2-3 times as long.
At the moment lack of creds is really hurting me. I just bought the IS though, and won't really have another vehicle to buy except for the M36 anytime soon. But I would like to get upgrades into the IS (I am thinking shell rammer, vent, and optics?), and that is going to be a lot of cash...and while the IS makes decent creds, the cost to replace the ammo at over 1k per shot is a bit ridiculous. I had a GREAT match in the IS where I took out 5 enemies, and we got the win. 32k creds, minus 7500 for repairs, and 7100 for ammo, and another 3000 for the repair kit. Suddenly that 32k creds isn't so impressive anymore.
The price difference in ammo is rather extreme. My 88mm rounds for my DB are 252 each, and the 122mm rounds for the IS are 5x the cost per round.
Yeah, SPG advancement is definitely out of whack in a major way. Not only are you getting less experience for dealing damage, since you almost always have to share the credit with the spotter, but often you are one of the last to die even in the more hopeless battles. I have no idea how you're supposed to progress without donating free experience.
Some time ago, after realizing how steep this hill is, I actually sold all my arty pieces and mothballed my arty crew. Maybe some day I'm going to return to playing arty, but right now it would just be taking up tank slots.
My lat battle in the IS:
Defeat
Killed two enemy tanks
XP earner: 435
Credits earned: 18.250
Repairs: -7,824
Ammo: -6.150
Consumables: -3,000
Net profit: 1,276
That is just a bit silly right there.
That sounds typical, I'm not making much money with IS either, even though my kill/game ratio is safely above 1 with it. I see now why people say that Tier 5 tanks are the most profitable.
Welcome to the big leagues, kid. :cool:
Quote from: DGuller on July 25, 2011, 10:18:00 AM
That sounds typical, I'm not making much money with IS either, even though my kill/game ratio is safely above 1 with it. I see now why people say that Tier 5 tanks are the most profitable.
Kills doesn't determine income, damage inflicted does. If you're killing a bunch of light tanks and barely touching the heavies, I can see where you'd have a problem.
Quote from: Slargos on July 25, 2011, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 25, 2011, 10:18:00 AM
That sounds typical, I'm not making much money with IS either, even though my kill/game ratio is safely above 1 with it. I see now why people say that Tier 5 tanks are the most profitable.
Kills doesn't determine income, damage inflicted does. If you're killing a bunch of light tanks and barely touching the heavies, I can see where you'd have a problem.
Yes, I know that. :rolleyes: However, kill/game is an easy metric to understand and remember, and it's a good proxy for damage being dealt.
Quote from: DGuller on July 25, 2011, 09:58:41 AM
Yeah, SPG advancement is definitely out of whack in a major way. Not only are you getting less experience for dealing damage, since you almost always have to share the credit with the spotter, but often you are one of the last to die even in the more hopeless battles. I have no idea how you're supposed to progress without donating free experience.
Some time ago, after realizing how steep this hill is, I actually sold all my arty pieces and mothballed my arty crew. Maybe some day I'm going to return to playing arty, but right now it would just be taking up tank slots.
I'm on a free account, and barely getting started, but it took me longer to elite my Pz II then my Bison. The big advantages of SPG as I see them are:
There's less to upgrade, so less experience needed.
It's pretty rare to have an outright bad game where you get nailed before doing anything. My first 10 games in the Bison I didn't hit anything, but once I learned the ropes I'm almost always damaging at least two targets and frequently killing one.
SPGs get matched up against higher tiers earlier, meaning you get more XP for hitting those targets.
Sure. Sure.
If you can live with being the spawn of syphilic whores and having your balls dipped in marinara sauce for the gobbling of your fellow SPG drivers while your mothers are being fucked by goats then SURE.
SURE. DRIVE YOUR GODDAMNED ARTILLERY YOU BASTARD SON OF A STREET WALKING SHEEP IN WALES.
I think it's cute how Slargos takes this game so serious and personal. :lol:
Quote from: Syt on July 25, 2011, 12:03:29 PM
I think it's cute how Slargos takes this game so serious and personal. :lol:
Yes. I am 100% serious. :D
Quote from: Slargos on July 25, 2011, 12:12:07 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 25, 2011, 12:03:29 PM
I think it's cute how Slargos takes this game so serious and personal. :lol:
Yes. I am 100% serious. :D
Of course you are. :shifty:
Hmmm.
The cost of the 122mm shells is making me re-consider the switch to that gun.
The 100mm gun has the same penetration, less damage of course (230 compared to 390), fires nearly twice as fast, and costs 1/4 what the 122 ammo costs. Of course, presumably you have to fire twice as much of it to get the same damage.
Does it really have the same penetration? My recollection is that it doesn't. Penetration is really one value I absolutely hate compromising on (unless I'm using a derp gun, obviously), because a few mm can mean the difference between a pointless bounce and a devastating hit.
Yeah, they both have an average pen of 175.
The 100mm actually has a little better accuracy and aiming time as well.
The big negative though is that in many matches getting a kill on the NEXT SHOT can be the difference between winning and losing. And when it comes down to peaking around a corner to pick someone off...well, that 390 damage is pretty useful.
Quote from: Berkut on July 25, 2011, 01:51:13 PM
Hmmm.
The cost of the 122mm shells is making me re-consider the switch to that gun.
The 100mm gun has the same penetration, less damage of course (230 compared to 390), fires nearly twice as fast, and costs 1/4 what the 122 ammo costs. Of course, presumably you have to fire twice as much of it to get the same damage.
Depends on what role you think you'll play. I struggled with the same question with the JagdPanther where the shells for the 10.5 are 5 times as expensive as for the 88, but after having started using the 10.5 I came to the conclusion that I'm far more effective with the heavier gun. As in more XP, although of course a slower credit income.
In the Tiger II I'm currently going in a different direction since I'm doing far more CQB but I'm leaning towards switching to the 10.5 there aswell since it's vastly preferable to do as much damage as possible when you do poke your head out. The higher your rate of fire, the more time you'll spend exposed to return fire.
If you're going to face a lot of lighter tanks the higher ROF is obviously preferable, and if you're going to spend a lot of time firing from a position where you'll see no return fire at all (IE a completely concealed TD, for instance) it may also be useful to fire more often. This also goes for fighting in the open.
Quote from: Berkut on July 25, 2011, 02:00:02 PM
Yeah, they both have an average pen of 175.
The 100mm actually has a little better accuracy and aiming time as well.
The big negative though is that in many matches getting a kill on the NEXT SHOT can be the difference between winning and losing. And when it comes down to peaking around a corner to pick someone off...well, that 390 damage is pretty useful.
Ok, I remember now why I stuck with 122mm. It's true that their penetration is the same, but 122mm deals almost twice the damage, at the cost of firing almost half as quickly.
The amount of damage you can deal per minute is about the same, but I'd rather front-load the damage, the enemy shoots back less often that way. And, in any case, that only applies to the earlier 122mm gun from KV-1S; the 122mm that you can unlock later on IS is significantly faster, and once you get it, the 100mm speed advantage doesn't seem so attractive anymore.
Uhhh, the 122mm-D-25T has a firing rate of 5.65 rps, as compared to the D-2-5T rate of 4.65 rpm. I don't think I would call the significantly faster, at least compared to the D10Ts 8.5rpm.
I do agree on the front loading damage, which is why I've been using the gun - the ability to hit hard is very valuable. I am just wondering if it is worth the rather ridiculous round cost - it is making matches with the IS little better than break even - a poor match can actually cost credits. And since I am very credit poor right now...
The difference between 5.56 rpm and 4.65 rpm is 20%, and translates to more than 2 seconds less waiting between shots. I'd say that's quite a significant difference. People readily pay 500,000 credits for a rammer that gives you half of that.
I say it is not significant because both numbers are low enough that in my experience, you cannot wait for the reload. They are both slow ass guns.
I actually just shelled out the 500k for a rammer for my IS...
Quote from: Slargos on July 25, 2011, 12:00:02 PM
Sure. Sure.
If you can live with being the spawn of syphilic whores and having your balls dipped in marinara sauce for the gobbling of your fellow SPG drivers while your mothers are being fucked by goats then SURE.
SURE. DRIVE YOUR GODDAMNED ARTILLERY YOU BASTARD SON OF A STREET WALKING SHEEP IN WALES.
It's a lot of fun lining up on a camping Hetzer or JagdPanther, waiting for the targeting to settle and one shotting them out of existence. Heavy Tanks are chewier, but it is a pleasure to watch them scurry when you hit them.
Have I mentioned I'm having fun with my Wespe that I got yesterday? 18 matches, 12 kills, 4500 damage inflicted and I haven't upgraded the gun yet.
Quote from: frunk on July 26, 2011, 09:12:43 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 25, 2011, 12:00:02 PM
Sure. Sure.
If you can live with being the spawn of syphilic whores and having your balls dipped in marinara sauce for the gobbling of your fellow SPG drivers while your mothers are being fucked by goats then SURE.
SURE. DRIVE YOUR GODDAMNED ARTILLERY YOU BASTARD SON OF A STREET WALKING SHEEP IN WALES.
It's a lot of fun lining up on a camping Hetzer or JagdPanther, waiting for the targeting to settle and one shotting them out of existence. Heavy Tanks are chewier, but it is a pleasure to watch them scurry when you hit them.
Have I mentioned I'm having fun with my Wespe that I got yesterday? 18 matches, 12 kills, 4500 damage inflicted and I haven't upgraded the gun yet.
I hope you catch an unusually vicious and resistant strain of Syphilis. :mad:
Quote from: DGuller on July 25, 2011, 11:36:09 PM
The difference between 5.56 rpm and 4.65 rpm is 20%, and translates to more than 2 seconds less waiting between shots. I'd say that's quite a significant difference. People readily pay 500,000 credits for a rammer that gives you half of that.
You know what is funny? I can't switch guns back.
Not because I think the 122 makes much sense from a cost/benefit analysis, but simply because I love blowing shit away with that big ass cannon too much - the 100mm just isn't as satisfying.
So DG, what should the next upgrade on my IS be? The new engine or the new 122mm gun? Still need the radio as well, actually.
Oddly enough, I don't think there is any need to upgrade the tracks on the IS. The stock suspension can carry everything without being upgraded at all.
Quote from: Berkut on July 26, 2011, 10:01:41 AM
So DG, what should the next upgrade on my IS be? The new engine or the new 122mm gun? Still need the radio as well, actually.
Oddly enough, I don't think there is any need to upgrade the tracks on the IS. The stock suspension can carry everything without being upgraded at all.
Yeah, you never do need upgraded tracks. I upgraded them anyway in the end, because I'm OCD, and my goal in the game is to elite out the whole tree.
My upgrade order was guns first, new turret when necessary, and then engines. (EDIT: Forgot about radios, they're always at or near the top of my priority list.)
The IS order so far has been:
100mm gun
turret
122mm gun
with
new 122mm gun
radio
engine
still to go.
Quote from: DGuller on July 26, 2011, 11:30:46 AM
I upgraded them anyway in the end, because I'm OCD, and my goal in the game is to elite out the whole tree.
So how is that S-51 research coming along? :P
Quote from: Berkut on July 26, 2011, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 26, 2011, 11:30:46 AM
I upgraded them anyway in the end, because I'm OCD, and my goal in the game is to elite out the whole tree.
So how is that S-51 research coming along? :P
I don't see any arty on any of my trees. :whistle:
Damn you DG, now I am all stressed out about all those light tanks without the elite logo on them. Stupid new tank slot just for this, and using up all this free XP. DAMN YOU SIR!
I graduated to the Soviet A-20. I also put that Howitzer on the American M2MT - now, that's fun. :lol:
Just had a fun game on the Mountain Pass map with the BT-7 (the one that put me over the edge for th A-20). I like to hide under the bridge. You spot whatever comes from the other side - if your arty is up to it it's a turkey shoot. Other side lost 4 tanks there, spotted by me. The felt it necessary to come after me with 2 TDs. Fortunately, there was backup from my team, because before I saw them they killed my tracks and I might have died then and there.
I then went on to scout the nemy base - unfortunately, an arty was waiting behind the corner for just that occasion. <_<
Still, 560 XP with the BT-7 without doing any damage myself. :lol:
Nice Syt! I really think they've done a nice job with the light scouts and making them relevant.
Good spotters are worth their weight in gold. My worst games have always been when everybody turtles and the other team picks everybody off at leisure, or they leave a huge gaping whole in the line while rushing to one side of the map. In both cases there's important sections of the map with nobody watching it.
I have joined the ranks of the Wallet Warriors. The Lowe is great fun, even though I'm constantly losing matches.
Quote from: Berkut on July 26, 2011, 12:45:19 PM
Damn you DG, now I am all stressed out about all those light tanks without the elite logo on them.
What does this mean in layman's terms?
Quote from: Habbaku on July 26, 2011, 08:15:53 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 26, 2011, 12:45:19 PM
Damn you DG, now I am all stressed out about all those light tanks without the elite logo on them.
What does this mean in layman's terms?
Elite means that you researched everything you could for the tank. It's rarely necessary to research everything for the tank, you can just beeline the research for the next tank in the tree and skip the side branches. Usually that's not a good idea, and it will slow down your progress in the long term.
Himmelsdorf.
Making good progress. 9>7. Most of the enemy heavies are part of the knocked out tanks. I'm brawling with the second to last close to the enemy flag.
Our flag is being captured by 2 enemy tanks. They have maybe 10 cap points when I realize what's going on and look down at the minimap.
"No sweat" thinks I. We have 2 tanks at their flag, and there's at least 3 tanks near our flag to defend it while they have none to defend theirs. So I continue making the Tiger driver's day sour.
I pick off the Tiger, but the opposing team has now reached 50 cap points.
"WTF?" I idly wonder as I start racing back.
And then I notice it.
Out of the tanks near our flag, one turned to defend it and got killed, the others started rushing forwards to join the capture effort.
:frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:
I decided to start going down the Soviet Medium and Heavy trees (yes, yes, I know :Embarrass: ) and cheated my way past to the T-28 figuring I would shoot for the KV and the free tank.
I can't justify getting the KV for free XP so I intend to pick up as much XP for the T-28 as possible before the patch.
Now, the problem is, the T-28 is a horrible, horrible tank.
How the fuck did you guys get through it?
I actually don't remember the T-28 phase, although statistics show that I did play it. I don't know whether it's because T-28 is one of those tanks you just skip through relatively quickly, or because the memory is so painful it is blocked out.
Quote from: Slargos on July 27, 2011, 08:15:20 AM
I decided to start going down the Soviet Medium and Heavy trees (yes, yes, I know :Embarrass: ) and cheated my way past to the T-28 figuring I would shoot for the KV and the free tank.
I can't justify getting the KV for free XP so I intend to pick up as much XP for the T-28 as possible before the patch.
Now, the problem is, the T-28 is a horrible, horrible tank.
How the fuck did you guys get through it?
The 57mm gun was an absolute game changer. I tried everything in my power to grind the KV without spending xp on the gun upgrade. Was having an awful time. I got the 57mm gun and the remainder of the tier was a breeze. Not only will you use it on the T-28, you'll use it on the T-34 as well. It has an excellent ROF and good penetration, even if its lackluster on the damage. Use it like a TD. Paper armor means fire once or twice and then use your speed to get out of dodge.
Spend the xp to get the 2nd upgraded version. Or just skip it with free xp. I used a load of free xp to skip most the A-20. I HATE scouting.
Quote from: DGuller on July 27, 2011, 08:19:38 AM
I actually don't remember the T-28 phase, although statistics show that I did play it. I don't know whether it's because T-28 is one of those tanks you just skip through relatively quickly, or because the memory is so painful it is blocked out.
You can skip through it without much in the way of upgrades.
It feels like a paper box full of cement, strapped to a catapult firing clumps of clay.
The T-28 with the 85mm gun is a beast at its Tier.
I just realized we were in the same game around 11:00 last night Berkut (Berkutt, right?). Don't remember the map, but I do know we won.
Cool! Yeah, that is me. Did I die quickly and violently?
Are you FrunkdeFrunk?
Nope, I don't think so. I'm frunkee, FrunkedeFrunk is an imposter.
I just noticed that My avg XP per battle in the 3002 is higher than that of the Löwe, despite having a terrible gun, less armour and HP. So much for the amazing Löwe. :hmm:
Slargos, your ability to demolish the arguments of your imaginary opponents is almost as impressive as your ability to come across championing the political agendas of mass murderers. Keep up the good work!
I am going to get me a PzIV so I can tag team between it and my M10 for the Husky special...
:lol:
You're just pissed you hesitated too long to get the discount Löwe.
Well. I broke down after a couple of :bleeding: games with the T-28 and just skipped it. Got the KV and the lolgun and I'm having a Blast. :D
23 seconds of reload, but by GOD that sucker packs a punch.
Although frankly, it seems like it's just fun for the lolz, and it's going to be a pain in the ass to play with in the long run... :hmm:
Ohh, it stays pretty fun for quite some time...
Although the 107mm on the KV is better, it isn't nearly as amusing. But you can dominate with that 107mm with the right match up, which you will get every now and again with the T5 KV.
If it wasn't for that 127k XP sink on the KV research tab, I would be using it still.
The Derp for the KV is boring as shit.
Either I'm in the bottom half and I'm being fucked before I can get in range of a semi-accurate shot, or I am in the top tier and all my teammates are camping idiots who leave me unsupported while I'm reloading.
Can't win.
I used to derp with KV for a little while, but I went back to 107 mm eventually. KV with derp requires getting too many things just right to be effective with it, whereas KV with 107 gun is less finnicky.
I thoroughly enjoy the overkill, but frankly it only works in knife fighting range.
I switched to the 122 instead. I think I'll go straight for the KV-3 for another free garage slot next.
Boy, playing A-20 is tiresome. I keep getting thrown into battles where I'm the only light tank on my side, am one of the bottom three, and there's at best one arty in the team. :bleeding:
Well. I think I've finally gotten the hang of proper angling.
The King Tiger is an awesome tank and almost handles like a medium if treated correctly.
New: Favourite. :w00t:
I read a bit about the A-20 yesterday. So it's pretty common to be thrown into battles with other tanks all 3, 4 tiers above you, who have almost as good visibility (so scouting ability is limited), and if they as much look as you angrily your tank explodes. I guess I will need to elite other tanks and convert free XP to go through that stage. :P
The A-20 is not much different from any other light. And its ability to scout is just fine - you get creds and xps for spotting other units, doesn't matter if they spot you.
I don't know if YOU do this, but one thing I notice a lot of scouts doing is not using terrain to mask their movement. Stay low, stay off of hills, and for gods sake don't run along crest lines!
It really doesn't matter if you are in a battle with tanks 5 tiers above you or 2 tiers above you - you are in a light tank. Its not like you won't get blown away if you run into a medium or heavy no matter how many tiers above you they are. You just have to stay out of their line of fire as much as possible.
I've never used the A-20 myself, is it a lot slower than the other T3 lights?
What Berkut said.
As long as you understand (and it seems a lot of people don't) that your role as a light in anything but a battle against mostly other lights is to spot for the heavies, TDs and SPGs you can do important work. In fact, I'd say you could even go into battle without ammo for all the good it will do you. The only time you should even shoot is when you're able to sneak up on a SPG.
Whenever I see a light hiding behind heavies in the line, I get an insatiable urge to kill them.
The A-20 is not slower. It feels like it has worse acceleration, performance on inclines and less maneuverability. I would take (and thoroughly enjoyed) my Pz.III as a scout over the A-20 anyday of the week even though it is a tad bit slower at top speed. The guns on the A-20 also make it a horrible artillery killed. No howitzer type gun like the Pz.III or Stuarts.
Well, yes, I understand scouting. However, I'm put into battles where I'm the only T4 among loads of T7/T8, some of which have as much visibility as I do.
If a heavy T8 is camped and camouflaged I'm dead without knowing what hit me.
Quote from: Syt on July 29, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
Well, yes, I understand scouting. However, I'm put into battles where I'm the only T4 among loads of T7/T8, some of which have as much visibility as I do.
If a heavy T8 is camped and camouflaged I'm dead without knowing what hit me.
Yeah, but if a medium T4 is camped and camoed you are still dead without knowing what hit you. Or more relevantly, a T4 TD, which is actually likely to be camped and camoed. You are still dead if they hit you.
Yes.
In 6 battles with my A-20 so far I've only once been in a battle with other T4, otherwise with King Tigers, IS etc. My point is that with the A-20 you have to get close enough to the heavies that you've got a very good chance to be in their FOV as well whicn bodes very badly for survivability.
Man, the Grille's base gun sucks. Less damage than the Wespe, less range, worse accuracy and it turns slower too. The only advantages are the higher rate of fire and slightly better penetration.
On the other hand the upgraded gun rocks even with the significantly lower rate of fire and the way expensive ammunition.
Quote from: Syt on July 29, 2011, 11:27:29 AM
Yes.
In 6 battles with my A-20 so far I've only once been in a battle with other T4, otherwise with King Tigers, IS etc. My point is that with the A-20 you have to get close enough to the heavies that you've got a very good chance to be in their FOV as well whicn bodes very badly for survivability.
I suspect that the ranking system works differently for T3+ lights than it does for heavies since they can perform their scout role regardless if the opposition is T5 or T10 heavies and TDs. A T5 heavy is just mince meat in a matchup with T10s and it's a rare exception to see them matched together (though I do see the occasional T6 in those battles it's mainly T7+ and I can't recall ever having been placed in a battle with a T10 in my T5-) and I expect research into the matter on the forums or the faq/wiki would reveal as much.
Well, I've increased my survivability somewhat (and matchmaking has been a bit kinder). If I'm in a high tier match with the A-20, I stick with a group of heavies/mediums, hanging on their flanks or taking point and hauling ass once I've painted a target or two (or, in one unfortunate and deadly instance, five :blush: ).
Quote from: Syt on July 29, 2011, 12:58:30 PM
Well, I've increased my survivability somewhat (and matchmaking has been a bit kinder). If I'm in a high tier match with the A-20, I stick with a group of heavies/mediums, hanging on their flanks or taking point and hauling ass once I've painted a target or two (or, in one unfortunate and deadly instance, five :blush: ).
You're still doing it wrong, if you're successfully increasing your survivability. Ideally, it would be closing on 0%. :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on July 29, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 29, 2011, 12:58:30 PM
Well, I've increased my survivability somewhat (and matchmaking has been a bit kinder). If I'm in a high tier match with the A-20, I stick with a group of heavies/mediums, hanging on their flanks or taking point and hauling ass once I've painted a target or two (or, in one unfortunate and deadly instance, five :blush: ).
You're still doing it wrong, if you're successfully increasing your survivability. Ideally, it would be closing on 0%. :hmm:
By increasing survivability I mean not dying after spotting one enemy or going on suicide runs.
Quote from: Syt on July 29, 2011, 01:14:56 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 29, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 29, 2011, 12:58:30 PM
Well, I've increased my survivability somewhat (and matchmaking has been a bit kinder). If I'm in a high tier match with the A-20, I stick with a group of heavies/mediums, hanging on their flanks or taking point and hauling ass once I've painted a target or two (or, in one unfortunate and deadly instance, five :blush: ).
You're still doing it wrong, if you're successfully increasing your survivability. Ideally, it would be closing on 0%. :hmm:
By increasing survivability I mean not dying after spotting one enemy or going on suicide runs.
Oh. Very well. Carry on then. You're doing God's work. :D
A typical matchup with an A-20:
Stupid TK system. I see a Ferdinand exposing his side to me from a great distance, I start firing at it, only to hit my ally who got in the line of fire trying to flank the Ferdinand himself. It happens, he was down on hitpoints, and I killed him. Turns out he was in the enemy base, though, so I was immediately put in blue, and now my name in the garage shows up as blue as well. What the fuck is that shit? I know that killing your ally at the enemy base is seen as worse than usual, but to immediately blue me? That's just idiotic. I didn't even get that large of a fine for hitting killing the teammate.
Woo-hoo, my first Kolobanov medal game! Well, not for me, for one of the guys on the enemy team, but I did my part in helping him get the medal.
:cheers:
Quote from: DGuller on July 30, 2011, 01:41:32 AM
Stupid TK system. I see a Ferdinand exposing his side to me from a great distance, I start firing at it, only to hit my ally who got in the line of fire trying to flank the Ferdinand himself. It happens, he was down on hitpoints, and I killed him. Turns out he was in the enemy base, though, so I was immediately put in blue, and now my name in the garage shows up as blue as well. What the fuck is that shit? I know that killing your ally at the enemy base is seen as worse than usual, but to immediately blue me? That's just idiotic. I didn't even get that large of a fine for hitting killing the teammate.
:lol:
You make far more TK hits than seems prudent.
I've even gotten a couple of kills, but nothing yet. Knock on wood.
Managed to get 716 XP with the A-20 in one game in that Alpine valley (with the broken railway bridge?). Took point for my heavies (T6+7) on the left flank and painted a few targets for them before having to retreat. They managed to take out 3 of 5 I spotted that way. When my heavies were dead I kept zooming around a bit behind enemy lines, being a general nuisance, but got killed shortly before our team won.
Meanwhile, it sucks being the weakest guy in a city map if you're driving a tank destroyer.
Oh ha ha. I just played my JagdPanther in that mountain map with the bridge. I forget what it's called [Mountain Pass, as it turns out.] We had just raped one of their flanks with a relatively aggressive medium assault supported by TDs and a Heavy, and were taking the flag.
The enemy team had 5 tanks left to our 9 and weren't really going to have time to return to the flag in time to prevent the cap so the match was over.
I spot the IS-7 at 58% coming around the corner of a rock, moving up a slight incline so that he would very briefly present his dropped pants to me. I wait, patiently, and the MOMENT before the match is over I get off one shot, without even having time to aim more than "in the general vicinity of the lower glacis" and he goes WHOOOMP. Lucky hit in the ammo compartment, I expect.
Probably got him a hefty repair bill completely unecessary. :D
I just watched a Tiger I at 5 % health, and a Tiger II at 8%, probably both with massive module damage... take out 6 tanks.
Little dumb cunts spread themselves so thin, the two WRECKS could focus them one at a time.
And they kept pinging them with AP.
No one. Not a single one thought to switch to HE.
6 tanks didn't achieve ONE SINGLE PENETRATING HIT.
And it's not like they were lights. A VK36, an IS, a Slugger.
This game is not good for my blood pressure.
Testserver is up. Now is your chance to TK me. :D
I would not switch to HE if I was in an IS against a Tiger either!
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2011, 09:55:42 AM
I would not switch to HE if I was in an IS against a Tiger either!
I would, if the Tiger only has 5% remaining, and if you bounce the next shot he will kill you.
But then, I understand how the game works.
You have an IS that can be 1-shot by a Tiger? You fail at WoT. Try the IS that doesn't get 1 shot.
For me, if I am hitting a Tiger, I know that my 122mm gun can easily penetrate him. Why scrape away HP instead of just destroying him outright? Especially since, as you said, I am able to fire many times at him.
Funny that your complaint is that 6 tanks were firing and could not pen him. Maybe they were using HE, it has really poor pen values, if you check the wiki.
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2011, 02:26:04 PM
You have an IS that can be 1-shot by a Tiger? You fail at WoT. Try the IS that doesn't get 1 shot.
For me, if I am hitting a Tiger, I know that my 122mm gun can easily penetrate him. Why scrape away HP instead of just destroying him outright? Especially since, as you said, I am able to fire many times at him.
Funny that your complaint is that 6 tanks were firing and could not pen him. Maybe they were using HE, it has really poor pen values, if you check the wiki.
:lol:
Sometimes I think you're just trying to irritate me, and other times I think you're really that stupid. It's hard to say. :hmm:
The IS was itself around 10-15% and while the 2 remaining Tiger drivers actually understood the game (they ended up with 13 kills between them IIRC, 8+5) the 6 remaining players on my team (I was taken out by the Tiger II after my 4th kill) obviously did NOT understand the game. The IS, granted, got a bit unlucky (or rather, he created that situation by not cooperating with the team, but instead attacking on his own) in that he was pinned by the Tigers from two sides and could never quite make up his mind on who to kill and thus ended up with inaccurate bouncing shots. Had he, or indeed any of the other 5 remaining tanks switched to HE they would've killed both Tigers long before they had a chance to take all 6.
Have you even tried using HE, yourself?
Of course, but not in the situation you described.
Its not like you drive around with HE loaded. So if I get into a "crap, next shot wins..." sitch with the 122mm gun on the IS, I sure as hell am not going to stop loading my gun and reload it with HE - that guarantees that I don't get the next shot, so I am dead.
So if I am shooting at a Tiger that is below 10%, I expect that my shot is going to kill him, and then I want AP for my next shot for the next target (since I don't know that the next target is going to be the rather unusual circumstance where HE is more appropriate) so I am not going to set my next shot as HE either.
And no, I am neither stupid OR trying to irritate you. I do like gently mocking you when you go into "I am slargos WoT-fu super ninja, the only player who understands the game!" mode.
:lol:
Then let me teach you a fascinating concept which you have apparently missed.
By hitting the appropriate button (1-3) you can actually choose what type of ammo your NEXT shot will be.
When they realized they were facing a pair of near-death tanks they should've switched to HE for their NEXT shot at the very least.
The only tank which had reason to continue shooting AP was the IS and he managed to bounce his shots aswell. Frankly, whenever I am in that situation I switch to HE ASAP because the AP is going to be overkill and I don't want to run the risk of a freak bounce.
I am pretty sure I pointed out why I would not select my NEXT shot as HE either - how would I know the OTHER tank was near death, since I am almost certainly not looking at it?
Funny that you are pretending to teach me, when your original claim was that the IS should just sit there and RE-load HE for 6 seconds rather than fire AP. If you press the "other" ammo button once, it switches the next reload shot, but if you hit it twice, it will actually switch immediately - of course that means you re-start your reload timer. So you are of course completely wrong - pressing the ammo button will not effect your next shot at all, unless you hit it twice.
Under that situation, you probably really want to just fire your currently loaded AP round. This is probably in the wiki somewhere if you want to learn how this stuff works, although I figured it out on my own, since it is pretty obvious...to most people.
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2011, 04:46:58 PM
I am pretty sure I pointed out why I would not select my NEXT shot as HE either - how would I know the OTHER tank was near death, since I am almost certainly not looking at it?
Funny that you are pretending to teach me, when your original claim was that the IS should just sit there and RE-load HE for 6 seconds rather than fire AP. If you press the "other" ammo button once, it switches the next reload shot, but if you hit it twice, it will actually switch immediately - of course that means you re-start your reload timer. So you are of course completely wrong - pressing the ammo button will not effect your next shot at all, unless you hit it twice.
Under that situation, you probably really want to just fire your currently loaded AP round. This is probably in the wiki somewhere if you want to learn how this stuff works, although I figured it out on my own, since it is pretty obvious...to most people.
:lol:
You only want to fire your AP round IF you don't have time to reload before engaging. In a scenario with 6 vs 2, you should await support before engaging, and while you wait there's plenty of time to reload IF necessary.
In this particular engagement, the IS managed to ding at least twice that I could see. He had plenty of time to choose a better tactic. Nevermind his buddies.
Granted, they could've been cocky knowing that they outnumbered them so greatly.
If you care to LOOK you will find out their health level when the first friendly gets fucked. If you can't point at them you just press ALT and their health is displayed as a bar. These guys either didn't, or they didn't understand the implications.
The only scenario in which firing the AP immediately is the best choice is if you're in the open with no available cover. Ensk has a lot of cover.
Your turn.
I cannot compete with you simply creating new variables in your "scenario" to suit your desperate attempt to hide your lack of understanding of the game mechanics until I explain them to you. Now all of a sudden they have all this time to examine the situation, decide on their tactics, carefully evaluate their enemies, blahblahblah. And of course now the IS is firing multiple shots that for some reason cannot penetrate a Tiger, even with his 122mm gun? Sure. It could happen. Of course, last time you said if the IS did not kill the Tiger with the next shot, the IS was dead...so how did it hit the Tiger several times? I thought the IS was almost dead as well?
You claimed that the situation was "Kill now or die on the next shot". Now it is "There are a couple near dead tanks over there that are not shooting at you, and you have all the time in the world to decide what to do". So which is it?
Or will there be a new made up scenario if you go and read another wiki section before your next post?
I've just seen a whole new level of cowardice. It's an Abbey map, and our team is down to the last KV, who is almost dead. There are three enemies, all near the base. The KV is on the hill in the middle, so he can be shooting down on the enemies on our base. He'll probably be dead before getting all three, but what's he got to lose, the last 6% of his hitpoints?
What does he do? He literally drives into a corner and hides out while the enemy is capping. He actually confirmed that it's exactly what he was doing, to save himself credits and XP (?). :lmfao: What a coward, and a moron.
:lol:
Nevermind, Berkut. Never fucking mind.
Jesus, I started the day with 7 defeats in a row. :bleeding: The day got only marginally better from there on.
Finally. I was really in a zone, and was responsible for half of my team's kills. We still lost 2:15, though. :(
WTF do you need to shoot to hurt a T95, atomic bomb?
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 02:21:15 AM
WTF do you need to shoot to hurt a T95, atomic bomb?
:hmm:
Since I am just making shit up, I'm afraid I can't help you there.
:hmm:
...
:hmm:
But more to the point, it actually has a few weak spots in the front. I typically try to avoid being infront of its gun, however. :P
Quote from: Slargos on July 31, 2011, 02:34:48 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 02:21:15 AM
WTF do you need to shoot to hurt a T95, atomic bomb?
:hmm:
Since I am just making shit up, I'm afraid I can't help you there.
:hmm:
...
:hmm:
The first step towards recovery is to admit you have a problem.
Quote from: katmai on July 31, 2011, 02:59:38 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 31, 2011, 02:34:48 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 02:21:15 AM
WTF do you need to shoot to hurt a T95, atomic bomb?
:hmm:
Since I am just making shit up, I'm afraid I can't help you there.
:hmm:
...
:hmm:
The first step towards recovery is to admit you have a problem.
Do you have any other nuggets of wisdom from your AA meetings you'd like to share? :lol:
I've started playing the Russian T2 SPG for shits and giggles. It's really kind of fun to take potshots at the enemies with it, though I don't see myself levelling it all the way through. Good way to reduce frustration, though. And it got me the first enemy curse hurled at me (for killing a guy who thought he'd hide cleverly behind a house . . . not my fault he decided to stand still for me to hit him THREE TIMES. :lol:
A battles in steppes ddin't go too well. On my team it was me (A-20), another light tank, two mediums and a TD vs. one lonely KV-1 down to 48% in the end. So the other light and I run for the enemy base, hoping to spot the KV-1. And sure we do, and it comes after us. So our team mates only have to swoop in for the kill.
They stay in base.
We reach the enemy base. Maybe we can take it before the KV-1 lumbers towards us.
Our team mates stay in base.
We're at 98% base capture when the KV-1 comes close to us.
Our team mates stay in base.
So we try to run for our lives and goad the KV back to our base. He gets a lucky hit on the other light, killing it.
Our team mates stay in base.
I lose sight of the KV-1. I peek around a hill and stare into a gun barrel so big I can park my A-20 in it. I die.
Our team mates start to move. They actually manage to approach the KV-1 from three different sides. So all they have to do is swarm it and take it out, right?
They're scared shitless, though, and get killed one by one by the KV-1 and we actually manage to lose this one.
:frusty:
Quote from: Slargos on July 31, 2011, 03:09:06 AM
Quote from: katmai on July 31, 2011, 02:59:38 AM
Quote from: Slargos on July 31, 2011, 02:34:48 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 02:21:15 AM
WTF do you need to shoot to hurt a T95, atomic bomb?
:hmm:
Since I am just making shit up, I'm afraid I can't help you there.
:hmm:
...
:hmm:
The first step towards recovery is to admit you have a problem.
Do you have any other nuggets of wisdom from your AA meetings you'd like to share? :lol:
I can quit any time i want, i don't need no AA.
Quote from: Slargos on July 31, 2011, 02:37:27 AM
But more to the point, it actually has a few weak spots in the front. I typically try to avoid being infront of its gun, however. :P
It definitely has none on the sides. I was in my Tiger, being off in the bush to the side, and saw that T95 advancing straight on down through the killing field, s-l-o-w-l-y. My thought was "Thank you for exposing your sides straight at me, I'll take that delicious XP for shooting you, yum yum." Half a dozen shots later, my left hand was scratching my head, and the right hand was switching to HE. Eventually I saw a 4502, and figured him to be an easier target, which he was.
I confess I like watching the battles through the end when I'm dead. For one, I might learn something from watching how the other playrs do things. Also, it lets me calm down if I died in an especially stupid way. I find I don't perform too well, when I start a new battle while still annoyed.
Also, just got Fadin's Medal with my SU-18. :lol:
That derp gun on the Wolverine is mighty, especially in close quarters. I one shot a T-28 point blank with it. I was impressed, though the teammate in that T-28 wasn't.
That next Russian SPG is . . . not so much fun. You have the same shitty gun as on the T2, but are in battles with higher tiers. And the guns you can research don't become much better. Did I mention you need the vickers suspension (or whatever it's called) to put any additional upgrade (faster loading/aiming or camo net) on it? The only upside is its speed.
:bleeding:
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 12:11:10 PM
That derp gun on the Wolverine is mighty, especially in close quarters. I one shot a T-28 point blank with it. I was impressed, though the teammate in that T-28 wasn't.
:lol:
Stop. Killing. Your. Teammates.
The teammates should stop positioning themselves in front of my gun. I appreciate the cover, but you should cover my hull, not my boomstick.
I do not think I've ever actually killed a teammate. Shot a couple by accident sure, but I don't think I've managed to kill one.
Quote from: Berkut on July 31, 2011, 12:31:29 PM
I do not think I've ever actually killed a teammate. Shot a couple by accident sure, but I don't think I've managed to kill one.
Just keep trying, you'll succeed eventually. Worked for me.
To my immediate recollection, I have one accidental kill, and one deliberate. I'd estimate that I accidentally hit a teammate maybe once every 100 games or so. Maybe less.
You're doing something wrong, DG. ;)
What I'm doing is shooting from the back a lot. That increases the risk of other tanks getting into my line of fire, and me not having enough time to react. It's also exacerbated by my frequent use of auto-aim, which sometimes makes you too eager to press the fire button as soon as you finish loading, without properly confirming that you're still clear to shoot.
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 01:07:18 PM
What I'm doing is shooting from the back a lot. That increases the risk of other tanks getting into my line of fire, and me not having enough time to react. It's also exacerbated by my frequent use of auto-aim, which sometimes makes you too eager to press the fire button as soon as you finish loading, without properly confirming that you're still clear to shoot.
:lol:
Jesus.
Fucking.
Christ.
I've never killed a teammate but I've frequently nicked them, usually when we're behind and I'm not getting any clean shots at enemies that aren't next to my allies. Believe me, I wish artillery was that much more accurate.
And again.
Killed 7, did most of the damage on 4 more. I very nearly raped the entire enemy team on my lonesome.
What do they do with this?
They get fucked by an 8% Tiger II and a 60% T-34.
The T29 just stands there, in the open, and bounces 3 shots against the Tiger before he's finally taken out.
Do you figure he had time to switch to HE, Berkut?
Quote from: Slargos on July 31, 2011, 01:15:18 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 01:07:18 PM
What I'm doing is shooting from the back a lot. That increases the risk of other tanks getting into my line of fire, and me not having enough time to react. It's also exacerbated by my frequent use of auto-aim, which sometimes makes you too eager to press the fire button as soon as you finish loading, without properly confirming that you're still clear to shoot.
:lol:
Jesus.
Fucking.
Christ.
Nothing wrong with using auto-aim if you're shooting at a tank that's not a challenge to damage. It can save you valuable fractions of a second of having to aim manually. Of course, if I'm up against a heavy, then taking careful aim and being picky about what part of him I want to hit is important.
There's exactly one situation where I'll use autoaim, and it's when I'm soloing an arty run with the Panther or 3002 and there's simply no time to aim.
It's a wildly irresponsible tactic.
How is that an irresponsible tactic? There is no point in going for a careful shot when a shot at the center of mass will do.
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 04:03:32 PM
How is that an irresponsible tactic? There is no point in going for a careful shot when a shot at the center of mass will do.
Because you can't lead, you can't shoot at partially concealed targets, and when shooting at the front of the tank you run a vastly increased risk of bouncing.
If you're still playing mostly against tier 1-4 tanks I guess I can see why you'd insist on using autoaim but otherwise? Good GRIEF. :wacko:
Gotta go with slargos on this.
The only time I use auto-aim is when I need to concetrate on my driving and am willing to drop a lot of accuracy in favor of moving accurately, like when I am knife fighting, or scouting.
:hmm: I manage to hit just fine. It's not like you can't press E and disengage auto-aim when the target starts moving.
Another enormous advantage that you guys seem to be missing is that if you auto-aim, you don't need to zoom in on the target. If you don't have to zoom in, you keep a much better tactical awareness of everything that happens in front of you, instead of developing a target fixation.
So you are auto-aiming at targets that you would need to zoom in on to hit otherwise???
What is your overall hit percentage?
It's exactly 50%.
Ouch. My overall is 60%, and that includes some really bad ratio in the lights. My T5+ are all around 70%, with the exception of my IS which is at 77% (of course, in that case I am very careful about shots, so it is an outlier).
I would submit that you are hurting your performance using auto-aim more than rarely.
On the other hand, my kill rate is 0.75 per match, whereas yours is 0.61 per match. I'd rather keep missing if that nets me more kills. :P
Yeah, I am a rusher. I tend to play way too aggressively.
I am pretty sure my kill rate would be quite a bit lower if I shot more poorly, however.
My kill rate in the IS is .955 though, with a 77% hit rate.
Quote from: Berkut on July 31, 2011, 10:30:17 PM
Yeah, I am a rusher. I tend to play way too aggressively.
I am pretty sure my kill rate would be quite a bit lower if I shot more poorly, however.
Well, those numbers don't really say that I shoot more poorly. If you're a rusher, you shoot at closer ranges, so it is harder to miss. On the other hand, you get killed quickly, so you don't stick around as long to kill others. For me, the two aha moments were learning how to auto-aim, and learning that I should try to never be the guy closest to the enemy, within reason.
When I miss, it's usually not because I was too lazy to aim carefully, and needlessly bounced a shot off someone. Lately, if I miss, it's usually because I'm shooting at an extreme range, with a zoom on and auto-aim off, and the circle is just too big to hit reliably. That's not a big deal, though, since I can afford a few misses if I stay far back.
No, if yo are a rusher, you die a lot before ever shooting at all. I am getting better about that though!
And if anything, I miss even more because I am in "OH CRAP!" mode all the time and puilling my shots. I rarely miss at all when I am shooting from range. Why would I?
Yo fonts of knowledge Slargos and Berkut....finally have had some time to play this again and wondering what factors into amount of xp you get per battle, I'm avg about 200 or so in my T3 tank, wondering what i can do to improve that.
Quote from: Berkut on July 31, 2011, 10:39:57 PM
I rarely miss at all when I am shooting from range. Why would I?
Because guns aren't perfectly accurate? Even if you wait the max time for the circle to completely tighten, which is a requirement for long range shooting, the minimum size circle is still going to be fairly large. It's even more complicated if you're shooting at a heavy, because that usually means that you have to aim for particular parts that if you don't hit, you don't hit anything at all (like rear end from the profile view). If you aren't missing that often, you aren't staying back far enough.
My ability to make credits has pretty much tanked.
My high end vehicles are averaging far less than 10k net per battle, sometimes it is even negative.
How is the Lowe such a credit machine? My IS is a T7 heavy, shouldn't it make pretty much equivalent in creds?
Quote from: katmai on July 31, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
Yo fonts of knowledge Slargos and Berkut....finally have had some time to play this again and wondering what factors into amount of xp you get per battle, I'm avg about 200 or so in my T3 tank, wondering what i can do to improve that.
1. Win the battle.
2. Do more damage. Don't be too aggressive, stay alive to keep doing damage.
But winning the battle makes the biggest difference, IMO.
And don't use auto-aim except under very limited circumstances. :P
I didn't know there was an auto aim....yeah it seems just getting on win streak makes huge difference, 4 kills in a loss and getting 250 xp, 1-2 kills in win getting 450+
Quote from: Berkut on July 31, 2011, 10:46:05 PM
My ability to make credits has pretty much tanked.
My high end vehicles are averaging far less than 10k net per battle, sometimes it is even negative.
How is the Lowe such a credit machine? My IS is a T7 heavy, shouldn't it make pretty much equivalent in creds?
Premium tanks get an XP and credit bonus. As all such bonuses, the effect on the net return is leveraged.
Quote from: katmai on July 31, 2011, 10:52:32 PM
I didn't know there was an auto aim....
Right click when pointing at the target. The cross-hair will follow the target's center. :contract:
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 31, 2011, 10:46:05 PM
My ability to make credits has pretty much tanked.
My high end vehicles are averaging far less than 10k net per battle, sometimes it is even negative.
How is the Lowe such a credit machine? My IS is a T7 heavy, shouldn't it make pretty much equivalent in creds?
Premium tanks get an XP and credit bonus. As all such bonuses, the effect on the net return is leveraged.
Now that is some serious bullshit. So the reason my effective creds is shit is I am not willing to pay even more of a premium than my already "premium" account.
There is probably more to it than that. I haven't used premiums in a long, long time, and I've got plenty of credits in the bank. Have you tried using auto-aim?
Reading the forums, and it seems like it is a design feature of the game. T7 and above is just not really profitable, unless you have a gold tank.
They're definitely not AS profitable as T5, but they're not a money sink either, at least not IS or Tiger. I would estimate that my typical profit margin in IS is 25% or so, which is bad, but not money losing. I've been splitting my time lately between Wolverine and Tiger, and I'm not hurting for credits at all. I didn't keep track of the income, but I doubt that Wolverine is subsidizing the Tiger.
That was a nice fight. Killed a Pz3 early who was silly enough to not run, and then brewed up a KV-5 and watched him burn and then jumped on a nearly unscratched Tiger who was trying to cap the base and literally ran around him in a circle pumping shells into him while he vainly tried to get his turret around for a shot.
What was odd is that he was not far from a building on the city map - he could have just backed up into the building to stop me from moving all the way around him. Maybe his engine was gone.
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 11:24:00 PM
They're definitely not AS profitable as T5, but they're not a money sink either, at least not IS or Tiger. I would estimate that my typical profit margin in IS is 25% or so, which is bad, but not money losing. I've been splitting my time lately between Wolverine and Tiger, and I'm not hurting for credits at all. I didn't keep track of the income, but I doubt that Wolverine is subsidizing the Tiger.
I suspect the real probelm is that as in all games, I am an alt whore.
Just had a battle end in a 2v2 arty duel, OPForces had whittled our side down too our two artys, they had 5 tanks overall left, we proceeded to wait and let the two TD and one light tank come to us and knock them out, then battle became ugly with myself become our scout, ended up winning with like 25% hp left.
I've been in 40 or so battles with my A-20. And I still have 40-60 before me. Number of kills: 1. :lol:
Overall, my hit rate is 36% in 200-something battles. :blush:
I've come to love my Su-85B, though. It's as much fun to advance with a group of mediums or heavies with it as it is to camp near the base to protect the arty. And I can punch holes in enemies up to two tiers above me if I aim right. The speed and maneuverability sells the Russian TDs to me over the German ones.
Though in recent battles I've seen light tanks camped in the most remote nooks of the home base while the arty was being overrun. <_<
Another Noob question,
I'm in the m2 medium tank, I've researched everything but radio and the M3, but for somereason the M3 is greyed out even though i have more than enough research, trying to find out if way to see what i'm missing in research (maybe some other tank?) stopping me from picking it up?
Quote from: Berkut on July 31, 2011, 11:32:39 PM
What was odd is that he was not far from a building on the city map - he could have just backed up into the building to stop me from moving all the way around him. Maybe his engine was gone.
Occam's Razor. People are stupid and don't consider their options. :P
I think it's far more likely that he simply thought he should be able to easily kill you since he's in a Tiger and didn't stop to consider what alternatives there were to just tracking you with his turret.
Case in point: If you can recall, did he also turn his hull aswell as his turret?
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 10:00:22 PM
On the other hand, my kill rate is 0.75 per match, whereas yours is 0.61 per match. I'd rather keep missing if that nets me more kills. :P
.83, 64%. :hmm:
Is this game the bee's knees?
Quote from: katmai on July 31, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
Yo fonts of knowledge Slargos and Berkut....finally have had some time to play this again and wondering what factors into amount of xp you get per battle, I'm avg about 200 or so in my T3 tank, wondering what i can do to improve that.
Battle Mechanics - World Of Tanks (http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Battle_Mechanics#Premium_Account)
This document contains most of the details you need to know about this game. [I don't think Berkut has read it. ]
Short story:
Primary sources of XP is damage dealt and victory. The XP gained per kill is marginal and # of kills is just a source of E-Peen.
Hence, early on when you're facing enemies with little HP and your guns aren't doing much damage your potential for XP is much lower than later.
I average about 500 XP per battle overall, but in my higher tiered tanks, 650. In a typical victory I will get around 1000 XP, and in a defeat where I've still done well I'll get about 750.
Victory accounts for IIRC a 50% bonus to XP.
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Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 31, 2011, 10:46:05 PM
My ability to make credits has pretty much tanked.
My high end vehicles are averaging far less than 10k net per battle, sometimes it is even negative.
How is the Lowe such a credit machine? My IS is a T7 heavy, shouldn't it make pretty much equivalent in creds?
Premium tanks get an XP and credit bonus. As all such bonuses, the effect on the net return is leveraged.
Now that is some serious bullshit. So the reason my effective creds is shit is I am not willing to pay even more of a premium than my already "premium" account.
Fixed DG's post.
The credit bonus is 50%.
There is no XP bonus.
The cost of running high tier tanks being so high is deliberate, since it encourages the use of lower tiers. There's always [yeah, yeah, within reason] going to be enough cheapskate freeloaders who don't buy stuff (or even a premium account) that I doubt the Löwe will practically impact this functionality.
Quote from: Slargos on August 01, 2011, 01:26:45 AM
The cost of running high tier tanks being so high is deliberate, since it encourages the use of lower tiers wallet warriors.
FYP.
I've only got a 26% hit rate with the Grille, but I'm averaging over 600 damage per match. Considering I'm in a Tier 4 SPG that's roughly equivalent to taking out a Tier 5 Heavy each time, and includes the first ~30 some games with the crappy original gun.
I've noticed my results are getting much better as my crew improves. The Grille is the first tank I've spent enough time in to get experience up past 75%, and it makes a big difference.
Yeah, I wish there was a cheaper way to keep a crew at 100% when they switch. Seems bizarre that it costs just as much gold to keep a crew at 100% as it does to get them there in the first place.
There should be a 50g or so "maintain their current level" option. I mostly just use the 20k creds to only lose about 10%. Once you get into the upper tiers you are fighting enough matches in the new tank that they will be back to 100% pretty quickly.
Quote from: Slargos on August 01, 2011, 01:12:55 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 10:00:22 PM
On the other hand, my kill rate is 0.75 per match, whereas yours is 0.61 per match. I'd rather keep missing if that nets me more kills. :P
.83, 64%. :hmm:
Against a bunch of Euros that is downright embarassing. :P
Quote from: Berkut on August 01, 2011, 09:07:11 AM
Quote from: Slargos on August 01, 2011, 01:12:55 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 31, 2011, 10:00:22 PM
On the other hand, my kill rate is 0.75 per match, whereas yours is 0.61 per match. I'd rather keep missing if that nets me more kills. :P
.83, 64%. :hmm:
Against a bunch of Euros that is downright embarassing. :P
A not entirely unfounded accusation.
My damage output per game is 732. Feels very low, but about 30% of my games are in dunce tanks.
I think it's a far more interesting figure, though, since it's far more important to the potential for victory than kills are.
I got Habs to try this, and he liked it. I dont' know if he will play when he gets back home or not though.
One thing we agree on though is that a Battletech game based on this engine would be pretty awesome. You could do a lot with the classes, research, and tech trees in the BT universe.
Looking at my stats a different picture emerges though, now that I think about it.
Löwe, 1261 average damage, 0.93 kills per battle. 47% victory.
JagdPanther, 1170 avg dmg, 1.28 kpb, 60%.
Ferdinand, 1172 avg dmg, 0.89 kpb, 55%.
Tiger I, 938, 0.87, 45%.
Data is inconclusive. :hmm:
It seems I have a lot of work to do, however. I like to think that inflicting at least as much damage as I can soak is a good benchmark for performance, and while I'm doing very well in the JP, I'm only breaking even in the Ferdi and I'm way below in the Tiger and Löwe.
Come to think of it, the Ferdi and the JP are my best "line" tanks when it comes to inflicted/soak ratio and they are also the ones with my best victory ratio (discounting tanks whose damage output is less important to victory than their scouting or assassination abilities).
Interesting implications.
Quote from: Slargos on August 01, 2011, 09:50:58 AM
Looking at my stats a different picture emerges though, now that I think about it.
Löwe, 1261 average damage, 0.93 kills per battle. 47% victory.
JagdPanther, 1170 avg dmg, 1.28 kpb, 60%.
Ferdinand, 1172 avg dmg, 0.89 kpb, 55%.
Tiger I, 938, 0.87, 45%.
Data is inconclusive. :hmm:
What's the trend the past decades?
Ensk.
Rolling in my Ferdi. New goal in mind. Instead of grinding quick games for xp, or struggling for as many kills as possible, my goal with the Ferdi will be testing my theory that scoring hits worth more than my own HP will radically increase the chance of victory. It should theoretically be enough to strike 3 times, given that the 128 on the Ferdinand should do around 490 damage per hit and it has 1200 HP. Given that modules and crewmembers tend to "soak up" damage which is then not subtracted from the Tank's HP pool, and given that it's going to be difficult at best to calculate this on the fly, I'm going to attemp at least 5 good (IE hits that do their full damage potential, not killing the target) hits per match.
Off to a good start, as it seems instead of hiding in the buildings in the west, the enemy heavies have decided to play a sniper duel along the western most lane. Properly angled around a corner, they're going to have a very tough time against my Ferdi. 3 rapid succession hits nets 2 kills. "Hahaha", laughs the maniacal voice in my head, "These guys are going to feel a lot of pain until they realize the error of their ways."
Out of the corner of my eye I notice a red pip moving to flank me. "WTF?" I muse, "There shouldn't be any flankers this early in the match."
In my glee over the turkey shoot, I have neglected to notice that THE ENTIRE GODDAMNED TEAM HAS LEMMINGED EAST.
I am flanked by a fucking enemy FERDINAND.
Predictably, the lemming trail gets raped, and since the open path to our flag is much shorter than the lemming path around the forest and back into the city, they win by capture.
One of these days, I need to get my kill switch wish. I would use it sparingly. At most a few thousand people would die at my fingers.
Least favorite map? Himmelsdorf hands down. Cramped map, no good sight lines for artillery except down the sides, and those offer hardly any hiding places. I've taken to playing TD with my Grille if I get stuck on there.
:lol:
Yeah, you artillery pukes really don't do very well in that map. I love it.
Although I've seen some SPGs play a disturbingly good TD role, especially when working in packs. Since the shells do so much damage people are afraid of facing them and you can typically rotate who's shooting. I saw 3 SPGs take out 4-5 heavies in Ensk that way. Granted, they were attacking more or less one at a time, but still...
Too early to say anything, really, but there's the 6 matches since I started applying the philosophy of forgetting the glory chase, and just focusing on getting in some good hits.
Game 1: Victory (Didn't think to check the stats, something like 4-5 hits)
Game 6: Defeat (Ensk debacle, 3 hits, around 1000 damage)
Game 3: Victory 2033 damage
Game 4: Victory 2877 damage
Game 5: Defeat 3241 damage (Managed to rack up 6 kills but was let down by the 3 tanks on defense who didn't manage to score ONE damaging hits on the 2 mediums that sprinted for a camp. One measily hit and I would've been in range to deal with them. FFFFFUUUUUU)
Game 6: Victory 1757
All survivals save for game 2.
I am feeling pretty confident this is the change in play I needed. :hmm:
Some SPGs are better suited as substitute TDs than others. Any of the ones with a decent rate of fire, decent traverse speed or acceleration can do ok. They still give a new floor to glass cannon. The Grille is not very good at it at all, and I'm usually happy if I can get two good hits in before getting pounded by the first tank that glances my way.
:bleeding: random teammates.
Hey slargy, how do you see dmg dealt?
Damage is only summed, so you need to look at the total damage inflicted before and after the match and do your own increasingly complex calculations. :cry:
Damage(current)-Damage(previous)=Damage(Match) is the formula. :P
You can check it in the stats page, either for each individual tank or in total.
Ah okay, was just wondering if was missing a simple stat page :D
DG, did you use the Konisch on the 3601 rather than the 88, or just until you had the 88 researched?
I've messed with it a little bit, and it is pretty cool with the awesome accuracy and ROF. Not really sure if it is actually viable or not as more than a gimmick though, unless you use gold ammo of course, and at 5g a shot with a 20 r/min ROF....yeah, not using gold ammo.
Quote from: Berkut on August 02, 2011, 11:07:39 AM
DG, did you use the Konisch on the 3601 rather than the 88, or just until you had the 88 researched?
I've messed with it a little bit, and it is pretty cool with the awesome accuracy and ROF. Not really sure if it is actually viable or not as more than a gimmick though, unless you use gold ammo of course, and at 5g a shot with a 20 r/min ROF....yeah, not using gold ammo.
I didn't switch to 88 for good until some time after I researched it, but eventually I decided that 88 was more effective in combat than the pin-pricker.
Problem I had with the konisch was that it bounced too much since the rapid ROF didn't allow me to aim properly. :D
Idiocy: a team mate in a TD, in the open, facing 4 enemy mediums . . . and instead of finding cover he calls for help and tries to pick them all off.
Syt, that is pretty par for the course, to be honest. I am kind of amazed how often people just kind of "give up" and don't even try to get out of a bad situation - they just keep shooting. I guess maybe they figure they are toast anyway, and are trying to squeeze out a few more creds before they go or something?
I just had a game in my Slugger. I was lower middle of the tier ranking.
Killed:
SU85
Hetzer
KV-3
Damaged:
M4E2
M4E2
T20
SU100
IS
Something else
It was bizarre, except that it isn't. I was hit maybe twice, and in every single one of my kills, the targets just say there while I lit them up. Maybe they were shooting at someone else or something, but I never had to adjust my aim. Both my early kills and 2 damages I didn't even move from my starting location. Target. Aim. Kill. Target. Aim. Damage. Target. Aim. Damage. Target. Aim. Kill. None of them made me move my aiming reticle after the first shot.
27 shots fired, 20 hits. Our team won with 2 or 3 deaths.
I think there was a matchmaker glitch were they just stuck all the dumb people on one team to see what would happen.
Realistically, the only TDs quick enough to find cover when they are completely in the open are the ones who won't be able to take more than one or two hits before going kablooie.
Far better to attempt to at least get a final shot off in order to weaken them.
I got myself into a bad situation with my Ferdinand today, on that map with the island in the middle. Was defending north and it looked like they weren't coming so I decided to advance across the field. Big mistake. 3 mediums pop up and start brawling with our medium who'd already gone forward. Killed one of them and badly damaged the two others, but now I was in the open and SPGs were attempting to make sweet love to me from afar. I could've attempted to reverse out of the situation and crossed the bridge to relative safety, but I judged that just going forward would be the safer option. Managed to take another 2 shots before I was toast which was very unlikely to happen had I retreated.
Yeah, but what I don't get is people who are NOT in the open who just sit there and try to duke it out with several enemies, rather than just backing around a building or something. At least make them work to kill you - maybe while they are spending time doing that your teammates will be using that time well. Hehe, yeah right - but we can hope!
The way I see it the TDs are glass cannons.
You should either hide and let the enemy come to you.
Or you join some other guys who go on the offensive and perhaps try to outflank the enemy.
In any case, I think fire and maneuver is the key, because once the enemy sees you and outnumbers you (and you can count on arty to zone in on you quickly), you have little chance if you stay put (unless you're a Hetzer in the upper half of the match's tier ranking - in which case you probably lack speed :P ).
City maps can be tricky, but I try to outflank the targets my team mates are engaging, or do "drive by shootings": spot an enemy, get off a shot or two and scoot on.
Very much so.
I struggle with TDs, even if they are consistently my best tanks. I am too slow to leave a target rich location, which inevitably means that after I get 3-4 shots off I start taking return fire and it's usually enough to kill me. I can't shake that "just one more shot" attitude. Especially if I'm hitting a higher tiered target from the flank.
But of course, I do have a rather addictive personality. :D
Ideally, the TD should scoot after at most 2 shots (first reveals you, if you're quick the second can be safely fired before they have time to acquire you) unless you are absolutely sure no one is homing in on you and those opportunities are really rare.
Btw, the matchmaking Gods were cruel - they thrust my A-20 into a match with several IS-3 and one Object 704 on either side.
In fact, I was killed by the enemy 704 who spotted me before I had any idea where he was. Never had a chance against his view range of 420m (without enhancments) vs. my 230, plus scopes. :P
Quote from: Slargos on August 02, 2011, 01:17:03 PM
I can't shake that "just one more shot" attitude. Especially if I'm hitting a higher tiered target from the flank.
Well, if you're reasonably sure that all other enemies are busy, and can stomach at least one more hit on your tank, nothing wrong with that. But the moment you're hit you should get your ass out of there. :P
I still like the TDs best - at least the Soviet ones. I tried the Germans and I can't stand their lack of speed.
Though I won't win many sniping awards, I find this interesting:
- Battles participated: Rank 194160
- Avg XP per battle: Rank 96686
What's your nick in the game, anyway, Syt?
That was interesting. Just kind of cruising around the interface, decided to click on the Depot button, see what crap I had stored up in there.
Clicked on the "Not compatible with my vehicles" button.
Guess what? Turns out that when you sell a vehicle, it doesn't sell the modules, it sticks them in your depot. Seems I had about 600,000 credits worth of old supensions, turrets, engines, etc., etc. sitting in there, completely useless (or mostly so, anyway).
Might be worth taking a look at...
Funny thing is that I was always careful to make sure I demounted and equipment I thought I might want to keep for another vehicle because I just assumed it sold the tank as it was configured.
I had less stuff than I would've expected.
I always strip the tank of everything before I sell it. I switch back to the starter equipment, take off all the additional equipment, take off consumables, remove all ammo, and demount the crew. You never want to accidentally sell anything that you might need later on, because you only get 50% of the price back.
Of course, when you do that, crap does tend to pile up. When I did my depot garage sale awhile ago, I also netter more than half a million in credits just selling stuff that I wouldn't use again, because it wasn't compatible with any of the tanks I haven't elited out yet.
I ahve 62k of the 94k I need for the Panther. Should I be trying to get and buy a Panther before this patch, or wait until afterwards?
you'll have to work hard to make it i think. it can't be more than a week off at most. it's worth it though i think because the db wil move in the tree. check it out to besafe. anyone going for the maus, for instance who hasn't already gotten the vk will be royally screwed.
I had first battle with berkie in it!
sadly he was on my team :(
in a TD and as usual, trying to chat with Berkut in a game is pointless.
Oh man, I did not even notice. What was I driving?
Jagdpanther
It was funny as had just sent PM from garage and then went into game, timer finished and i start following this TD, after like 5 secs i paid attention to the name and saw it was you.
I'm Katmai73 in game.
As i haven't bought gold, i'm slogging my way to Sherman
Quote from: Slargos on August 02, 2011, 01:34:22 PM
What's your nick in the game, anyway, Syt?
Exactly that. :P
Doesn't it suck when you run out of ammo before you run out of targets? Grrrr. I guess Wolverine designers didn't have much faith in its armor to plan for more than 30 rounds.
Kat, I don't have a JagdPanther....
I haven't ever seen Berkut in my game either, even though it seems like we play during the same time periods. Then again, it's probably "you blink and he's gone" type of scenario, so maybe I just didn't catch his name in time.
Does a friend show up differently in game?
Good question. I doubt it.
Wow, I'm going to go Slargos for just a minute.
I'm watching the battle after being killed, and our base is attacked. Two enemies attack the base, a medium and a Hetzer, and KV and a medium tank is defending. Then KV decides to retreat out of sight, because he was damaged (at 37% of health), leaving the medium to take on both enemies. :frusty:
Sometimes I think tanks should also go blue for cowardice as well as for TKing, because players like that just need to be executed. In real life that KV commander would surely be pointing his back of the head at the pistol of the NKVD officer, and justly so.
Quote from: Berkut on August 02, 2011, 11:32:19 PM
Kat, I don't have a JagdPanther....
It was german and a TD, the name was berkutt
Ahh, that would be my JagdPzIV. Did I kill anything?
you had 1 kill
Hmm, surprised I don't remember the fight then...:P
:lol:
Wow, Wolverine is really one of the tanks that surprised me. When I started playing it, I was really underwhelmed. However, by the end of its run, it actually fought better than even VK 3601, my previous best performer. To cap off its run, its last battle netted 7 kills (of course, everyone on our team still got killed :XD:). The final stat was 80 kills in 71 matches.
I had a look at the various TD trees, and the U.S. one looks great, culminating in the Wolverine, but from there it seems to go downhill from there - their T9 TD has <20km/h speed? :bleeding:
Quote from: Syt on August 03, 2011, 01:31:43 AM
I had a look at the various TD trees, and the U.S. one looks great, culminating in the Wolverine, but from there it seems to go downhill from there - their T9 TD has <20km/h speed? :bleeding:
It actually goes very much uphill from there. Well, not the TDs themselves, they really can only go downhill at higher tiers, but they're virtually indestructible fortresses with huge, huge guns.
I liked the idea of the T95 when I first saw it, and started down that tree (currently at the Wolverine) but after seeing their performance in battle and reading a few posts on them I stopped. From anecdotal evidence (IE watching the volume of fire and amount of kills), the Object is the best of the T9 TDs but it's a close race with the JgTiger.
I expect I would have more fun in the Object than the Tiger, since I prefer the sneakier and more agile Panther over the Ferdinand.
Quote from: DGuller on August 02, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
Doesn't it suck when you run out of ammo before you run out of targets? Grrrr. I guess Wolverine designers didn't have much faith in its armor to plan for more than 30 rounds.
See, this I don't understand.
The only times I have time to run out of ammo is when I either forgot to pack any [it happened, once :blush: ], or started with less than full complement because I lacked the cash to refill it.
But we've already established, I think, that you're a hip-firing surrender monkey. :P [/i]
Oh man. I just had a top-three kind of match.
King Tiger in Himmelsdorf, #2 tank, starting from the north.
Roll down the east lane by the park which is where I'm usually found when I'm in a heavy. Opponents decide to lemming west, and there's no opposition in the east. I stop by the big opening on the east side and take out two mediums inside the park. Then I notice the big brawl going on west of me, and I just sit there firing as quickly as I can into the unprotected sides of the tanks there. Take out another 2 tanks there. Turn north since they are moving on our flag. There I stumble on a KV right in front of me, and to the left a badly damaged M6 (38%) so I figure I'll get to work on the KV first and take the M6 after. At this point I'm a bit stressed because they outnumber us 8 to 4 and my allies are rapidly dwindling.
Miss a shot on the KV and turn to give the M6 some love. KV-5 staring right at me, at about 50%. Fuck. Reverse back into the park and take a shot at the KV, killing it. The KV-5 doesn't confront me, but instead speeds off towards the flag baring his unprotected ass at me as he goes. KV-5 takes a total of 4 hits before he goes, with 2 bounces so I'm really worried at this point. Down to 2 tanks now, with my lone remaining ally going for the cap.
I take out the M6 and start rolling towards our flag. My HP at this time is down to about 30% so I don't have much juice left. Flag is being taken by a completely fresh IS-3 and a StugIII. I get a shot off at the IS-3 to reduce the cap points, and the Stug hides behind him. Manage to get a shot off at the Stug and one more at the IS-3 before we win by capture.
My awards: Steel Wall, Top Gun, Master Gunner, Defender, Wittman's Medal, Sniper. :lol:
Just took a look at the German tech tree btw. Yes, it's going to be pretty important to get the Panther before the update since it's going to be moved from T8 to T7.
The research path from DB after the update goes Panther->PantherII->E-50 while if you research the Panther now it goes ->E-50
Quote from: Slargos on August 03, 2011, 03:26:11 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 02, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
Doesn't it suck when you run out of ammo before you run out of targets? Grrrr. I guess Wolverine designers didn't have much faith in its armor to plan for more than 30 rounds.
See, this I don't understand.
The only times I have time to run out of ammo is when I either forgot to pack any [it happened, once :blush: ], or started with less than full complement because I lacked the cash to refill it.
But we've already established, I think, that you're a hip-firing surrender monkey. :P [/i]
I was in a math against heavies firing a derp gun. I kept firing, and I kept hitting, but you can't take too many hit points off IS-3 in a Wolverine, although I was landing some pretty sweet shots.
Quote from: Slargos on August 03, 2011, 04:57:25 AM
Just took a look at the German tech tree btw. Yes, it's going to be pretty important to get the Panther before the update since it's going to be moved from T8 to T7.
The research path from DB after the update goes Panther->PantherII->E-50 while if you research the Panther now it goes ->E-50
Right now it goes DB(7)->Panther(8)->Panther II(9). There is no E-50.
Post patch it goes Panther(7)->Panther II(8)->E-50(9), right?
I don't see any difference in whether I get the Panther now then - the path after the Panther doesn't matter since there is no way I am getting to whatever is post Panther. The only issue is whether or not the Panther still comes after the DB, right?
Assuming this tech tree (which I think includes more projected changes than just the next patch) is correct for the Germans, it won't matter whether or not I get the Panther now or later, since the change will pretty much be that my DB has become the same tech level as the Panther.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatcdn.worldoftanks.com%2Fcomcom_v11%2Fuploads%2Ftech_trees%2Fgermany_tree_full%2528eng%2529.jpg&hash=9f1ffa2da37897418bde58279623267669a7f645)
What it really means is that I've wasted a rather large amount of time. Oh well, the DB has been a lot of fun anyway.
What it reall
Oh wait - but apparently if I do have a Panther, I get a free Panther II (since the Panther is moving down a Tier). So THAT would be nice...although that will seem kind of odd, since it means I won't ever really play the Panther much. That is like going up the Soviet tree and skipping over the T-34, or the US tree and missing the Sherman.
Kind of unfortunate that the DB gets turned into just a link vehicle, and likely won't be used much anymore.
Assuming you intend to get the E-50, your upgrade path after getting the Panther would be
Panther (Tier 7) turns into Panther II (Tier 8) which means your next research goal is E-50.
If you don't research the Panther, you would have to get it from the DB, then the Panther II, then the E-50.
You'd essentially be bumped one step back in the research chain.
This assuming of course that having researched the tier 8 medium (Panther) will mean that you've also gotten the new Tier 8 medium (Panther II) researched. Anything else would be very peculiar, since it would mean people would have the Panther II in their garage without having it researched.
So yes, it makes a big difference.
It's even worse for the Maus, since if you don't have VK 45 already researched, you'll have to start over from VK3001(P).
Luckily, I am fine with getting the E-100 instead, so I'm happy with the Tiger I XP simply being transferred to the Tiger II.
The 105mm on a sherman is fun, but god is it sloooow to load.
:w00t: Master Gunner, Sharpshooter and Sniper all in one with the gold bought T14 :blush:
Quote from: katmai on August 03, 2011, 06:02:33 PM
:w00t: Master Gunner, Sharpshooter and Sniper all in one with the gold bought T14 :blush:
Shh, be quiet, or Berkut will hear you.
That T14 is a surprisingly potent tank, though. For some reason, it manages to hit hard, while non-premium early American heavy tanks seem to be designed to blind the enemy tanks by blocking out the sun, at the expense of armor and armament.
Which is why i'm focusing on my Pershing and Patton and skipping the American heavies.
I'll go German if i want Heavies, i can't drive a Commie tank (agreeing with Slargos makes me :x)
T5 heavy is not potent enough to really matter though. Nor are there enough of them to make much difference anyway.
Had one of those awesome matches. Got 5 kills in my JagdPzIV. 4 of the 5 were PZIVs where I drove down the middle of the map, hung a left turn, then drove up behind each of them in turn and stuck two rounds in their ass from about 5 feet away. One right after the other, as each on was pointed out towards the battles raging along the map edge.
It was fun, but I couldn't really feel like it took any skill. More like executing seals or something.
Yeah, there's a lot of seal clubbing in the game.
Is the KV the only tank that gives a free garage slot?
Quote from: katmai on August 03, 2011, 06:56:26 PM
Is the KV the only tank that gives a free garage slot?
A couple of others aswell. Nothing I expect you can reasonably get to before the patch. Should arrive any day now.
Ah gotcha, yeah once i go on location for work won't have much time to play anyways.
To elaborate a bit: AFAIK KV is the lowest tier tank that gets a free slot, and this means that unless you're well under way towards one of the tanks in question you're looking at several hundred games at the very least.
I've been working my way towards the KV-3 (yes, I broke down and got the soviet tanks, I wanted to see whether the high tier tanks are as awesome as they seem to be) and I have about 10k to go, or about 15-20 matches.
You fucking turncoat!
Sigh the idiocy of people is frustrating, everybody rushing and end up with base getting capped numerous times...
Got the Panther researched and purchased. The grind really wasn't that bad - the 3002DB is an outstanding tank, I was very sad to have to sell it.
So when the patch comes, my Panther will be replaced by a free Panther II, and I will get a free stock Panther with a 100% crew. How do they adjust XP though? Will I get the XP to unlock that P2 added to my Panther?
I don't really want to actually play the Panther now, since I know the patch is going to be any day now.
Doesn't the patch typically get released every two months on the 15th or so? That would make it August 15, by my estimation. That's probably not enough time for me to grind to the Panther, starting with 3001.
Quote from: Berkut on August 04, 2011, 09:36:15 AM
Got the Panther researched and purchased. The grind really wasn't that bad - the 3002DB is an outstanding tank, I was very sad to have to sell it.
So when the patch comes, my Panther will be replaced by a free Panther II, and I will get a free stock Panther with a 100% crew. How do they adjust XP though? Will I get the XP to unlock that P2 added to my Panther?
I don't really want to actually play the Panther now, since I know the patch is going to be any day now.
I assume the Panther II will simply be unlocked.
I felt the same way about the DB and initially I was going to keep it but after starting to play the Panther I've found that it's more or less the same kind of tank, only more of everything. More HP, better armor, better agility, more penetration etc etc. Right now I'm mostly driving it for the fun of it, and I expect the XP will simply remain for the E-50 research so while I'm not grinding it I would think it's not time wasted.
The reason why I would expect this is of course that the Panther is currently Tier 8 and it would be natural for the XP to transfer to the new Tier 8, though that is of course not a given.
Playing a hard-hitting medium is quickly turning into my favourite game. Which is the main reason I've started down the soviet tree. The E-50 looks like it's not going to be able to compete with the T-54.
Quote from: DGuller on August 04, 2011, 09:51:50 AM
Doesn't the patch typically get released every two months on the 15th or so? That would make it August 15, by my estimation. That's probably not enough time for me to grind to the Panther, starting with 3001.
They initially said late july, and I've also seen reference to first week of August, but it's anyone's guess really.
But no, unless you use a lot of free XP I doubt it. You'll have to start over from the PzIII/IV.
Quote• Introduction of E-50.
Players who have a Panther II in their garage at the time of the revision will have it replaced with an E-50 with the respective module setup (top engine will be changed for HL295 or added as a new one), keeping their progress and old crew.
Players who have a Pz. V Panther in their garage at the time of the revision will have it replaced with a Panther II with the respective module setup (and 7.5 cm KwK 45 L/100 gun), keeping their progress and old crew, plus they will get a tier 7 Pz. V Panther with a stock setup, an extra garage slot, and a 100% crew.
No additional refunds are planned..
So yes. Play the Panther to your heart's content. The XP will transfer.
You actually get the Panther
replaced with a Panther II, and in addition you get a new Panther. So you're not actually getting a Panther II. Your Panther is simply renamed and reskinned. Same crew.
Quote from: Slargos on August 04, 2011, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 04, 2011, 09:51:50 AM
Doesn't the patch typically get released every two months on the 15th or so? That would make it August 15, by my estimation. That's probably not enough time for me to grind to the Panther, starting with 3001.
They initially said late july, and I've also seen reference to first week of August, but it's anyone's guess really.
But no, unless you use a lot of free XP I doubt it. You'll have to start over from the PzIII/IV.
No, I don't, Pz IV gives you both the 3601 and the 3001.
Quote from: DGuller on August 04, 2011, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: Slargos on August 04, 2011, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 04, 2011, 09:51:50 AM
Doesn't the patch typically get released every two months on the 15th or so? That would make it August 15, by my estimation. That's probably not enough time for me to grind to the Panther, starting with 3001.
They initially said late july, and I've also seen reference to first week of August, but it's anyone's guess really.
But no, unless you use a lot of free XP I doubt it. You'll have to start over from the PzIII/IV.
No, I don't, Pz IV gives you both the 3601 and the 3001.
If you'll look closer, the 3001 actually unlocks the 3601, not the other way around.
Crossing laterally is also more expensive than normal progress, so I expect your best bet will be the PzIII unless you believe that the higher XP production of the 36 and the 3002 will out weigh the higher cost.
Ehr, actually we may be talking past eachother here. Given the E-50 as an end goal, the PzIV is more or less useless. The 3001(P) has been moved to the Maus line, and 3001(H) is in the medium line. If you've gotten the 3002(DB) researched you're in a better position for the E-50 line, but essentially you're screwed either way unless you already have the Panther. Only having the 3001(P) is the most debilitating since it is moved completely out of the medium line.
I'm talking about the present tree. In the present tree, fully researching Panzer IV gives you two paths into Tier IV: VK 3601 and VK 3001. I have chosen the VK 3601 path so far, but I have the 3001 fully researched and ready to go if I so choose.
Quote from: DGuller on August 04, 2011, 01:44:04 PM
I'm talking about the present tree. In the present tree, fully researching Panzer IV gives you two paths into Tier IV: VK 3601 and VK 3001. I have chosen the VK 3601 path so far, but I have the 3001 fully researched and ready to go if I so choose.
Why? It is about to be made completely irrelevant. :huh:
If you want the E-50, you should look at what the patch will do to your progress. Having the 3001(P) researched is absolutely pointless for the purpose of getting the E-50 since the 3001(P) will unlock the Porsche-Tiger after the patch.
You keep saying the 3001, btw, but since there's two of them (H) and (P) I will admit it gets a bit confusing. If you're talkign about the 3001(H) you're certainly in a better position. :D
Edit: Which, I suppose, you would be. Nevermind then.
Quote from: Slargos on August 04, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
Why? It is about to be made completely irrelevant. :huh:
Because I'm trying to figure out if I have enough time to grind to a Panther before the update. I want free stuff.
Quote from: DGuller on August 04, 2011, 02:02:35 PM
Quote from: Slargos on August 04, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
Why? It is about to be made completely irrelevant. :huh:
Because I'm trying to figure out if I have enough time to grind to a Panther before the update. I want free stuff.
There's a calculator on the worldoftanks page. It should be useful for the purpose.
Unless you already have a 3001(P) in hand, I doubt you even have a remote possibility. As it stands, you're looking at about what.. 150k or so from the 3001(P).
You'll have to work hard and/or expend a lot of free XP.
Quote from: Slargos on August 04, 2011, 01:29:56 PM
You actually get the Panther replaced with a Panther II, and in addition you get a new Panther. So you're not actually getting a Panther II. Your Panther is simply renamed and reskinned. Same crew.
<confused>
Right now I have a Panther in my garage.
After the patch, I expect that Panther to have transformed into a Panther II.
And I expect to have
another shiny new Panther I in a new garage slot, with a shiny new 100% crew.
So...I had 1 Panther I.
After patch I will have 1 Panther I, and 1 Panther II.
How is that NOT getting a Panther II?
Quote from: Berkut on August 04, 2011, 02:35:07 PM
Quote from: Slargos on August 04, 2011, 01:29:56 PM
You actually get the Panther replaced with a Panther II, and in addition you get a new Panther. So you're not actually getting a Panther II. Your Panther is simply renamed and reskinned. Same crew.
<confused>
Right now I have a Panther in my garage.
After the patch, I expect that Panther to have transformed into a Panther II.
And I expect to have another shiny new Panther I in a new garage slot, with a shiny new 100% crew.
So...I had 1 Panther I.
After patch I will have 1 Panther I, and 1 Panther II.
How is that NOT getting a Panther II?
I'm glad you're asking the question instead of going on one of your usual rants. :D
In the strictest, grumbleric sense, you're not getting a Panther II. Your Panther I is being reskinned and re-designated as Panther II. It is still a Tier 8 vehicle, and it still has the matching components and the same crew. For all practical intents and purposes, it is the same tank. [And the implication is obvious as concerns the XP. It doesn't matter what the Tier 7 tank is called when your XP progress has been made with the Tier 8 tank.]
What you're getting as your freebie is a fresh stock Panther I with a new crew.
What what are the actually tank changes? What was called Panther II will be called Panther I in the future?
Quote from: DGuller on August 04, 2011, 02:53:57 PM
What what are the actually tank changes? What was called Panther II will be called Panther I in the future?
They're moved one tier down and nerfed.
From what I can gather: The Panther II will likely have the capabilities possessed by the Panther I today, while the Panther I will turn into a closer sibling of 3002DB.
Ahh, I see what you mean.
A better way to look at it:
Right now I have a German Tier 8 tank.
After the patch, I will have a German Tier 8 tank, and a free German Tier 7 tank for my trouble, have a nice day.
Quote from: Berkut on August 04, 2011, 03:58:01 PM
Ahh, I see what you mean.
A better way to look at it:
Right now I have a German Tier 8 tank.
After the patch, I will have a German Tier 8 tank, and a free German Tier 7 tank for my trouble, have a nice day.
Well, if you want to put it that crudely. Yes. :P
Loving the Sherman with 76mm, gotten sniper a few times with it since put that gun on it.
I think the American 76mm is an underrated gun. I thought both the M10 and the M36 were great TDs with it.
Re: The purported Soviet Bias mechanic.
Quote
Nice greeting from Wargaming net it says: E-Series "Hello Loosers" (http://%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35XSkZgqeLY&feature=player_embedded%22)
At 0:22 Look at what is standing underneath E-Series.
There is writen E-Series "Hallo Versager!" which means "Hello Loosers!".
Dont know what i should think about this statement.
Regards
Found this at the WoT forum. Pretty goddamned hilarious.
In this light, Paradox's insistence on handouts to Sweden in EU is peanuts. :lol:
A-20 is a fast little fucker, I'll give it that. But it does seem to be ranked against pretty stiff opposition most of the time.
Question for you commies who went the soviet route: Did you elite it, or just breeze on through to the T-34? I figure 10-13 days of double-bonus should get me through the T-34 but it will be a pain in the ass without the engine which can of course be used in the T-34 aswell. I guess I just answered my own question there. Engine > T-34 it is.
Heh. The KV derp is pretty hilarious in teh right setting. Just got into a match in the top 3 tanks, and a bunch ofmediums and lights were cowering behind a rock instead of all zerging me. So I wait for a HE reload, and sneak around the corner to tag one of the mediums. Take 80% off him but also get a kill and it takes me a moment to realize that the Pz38 BEHIND him died from the blast. :lol:
Quote from: Slargos on August 05, 2011, 08:46:56 AM
A-20 is a fast little fucker, I'll give it that. But it does seem to be ranked against pretty stiff opposition most of the time.
Quote from: Slargos on July 29, 2011, 08:13:07 AMAs long as you understand (and it seems a lot of people don't) that your role as a light in anything but a battle against mostly other lights is to spot for the heavies, TDs and SPGs you can do important work. In fact, I'd say you could even go into battle without ammo for all the good it will do you. The only time you should even shoot is when you're able to sneak up on a SPG.
:P
Quote from: Syt on August 05, 2011, 10:47:03 AM
Quote from: Slargos on August 05, 2011, 08:46:56 AM
A-20 is a fast little fucker, I'll give it that. But it does seem to be ranked against pretty stiff opposition most of the time.
Quote from: Slargos on July 29, 2011, 08:13:07 AMAs long as you understand (and it seems a lot of people don't) that your role as a light in anything but a battle against mostly other lights is to spot for the heavies, TDs and SPGs you can do important work. In fact, I'd say you could even go into battle without ammo for all the good it will do you. The only time you should even shoot is when you're able to sneak up on a SPG.
:P
:lol:
I know, I know.
It just feels much worse when *I* am the one ranked against tier 8s in a tier 4. :P
I find that the A-20 becomes very valuable late in high tiered match. When only 6, 7 tanks per side survive and carefully prod around the map you can make the difference in the hide&seek.
Saw a post on the forum with someone bitching that the Panther was "losing" the 88L71, and how terribly unfair that was.
A long 88 on a tier 7 tank would be freaking hilarious...
Gun for the Tier 7 Soviet Medium
230/230/330(HP) | 175/235/50(mm) | 7.06-8.5(r/m) | 0.37(m) | 2.5(s) |
Gun for the Tier 7 German Medium
| 220/220/270(HP) | 132/171/44(mm) | 10(r/m) | 0.33(m) | 2.0(s) |
88L71
| 220/220/270(HP) | 203/237/44(mm) | 9.84(r/m) | 0.30(m) | 2.5(s) |
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Sure, it would be a bit overpowered, about by the same token that the Russian gun is today when compared to the German gun.
Yeah, but if we accept that that Russian gun is the top line for T7 guns, then if we suddenly overtop THAT by a bunch then it would just be making the problem that much worse.
Right now, the T7 matchup works out ok, I think. The Soviet gun has better pen, the German fires faster and is a bit more accurate. BUt having played the German T7, that extra Russian pen just means it does a little better matched up against higher tiers. A Panther T7 with a 88L71 would be blowing away T9 tanks pretty easily, whereas the current Russian T7 gun just gets to bang on T7 heavies and T8 mediums.
The new German T7 gun is going to be the 75L100. Which I guess will have great pen, but moderate damage? Seems ok, at least you can hurt higher tiers, if not that much?
That D10T is a rather nice gun though, isn't it? Especially at Tier 7. And there I was thinking that the DB with the short 88 was all that...
Whadya gonna do though? Russian game...
For some reason, that Soviet Tier VII gun doesn't work for me. My stats for T-34-85 are just pathetic. I must be missing some secret to playing that tank in a way that is not sucky.
Quote from: Berkut on August 05, 2011, 03:29:24 PM
Yeah, but if we accept that that Russian gun is the top line for T7 guns, then if we suddenly overtop THAT by a bunch then it would just be making the problem that much worse.
Right now, the T7 matchup works out ok, I think. The Soviet gun has better pen, the German fires faster and is a bit more accurate. BUt having played the German T7, that extra Russian pen just means it does a little better matched up against higher tiers. A Panther T7 with a 88L71 would be blowing away T9 tanks pretty easily, whereas the current Russian T7 gun just gets to bang on T7 heavies and T8 mediums.
The new German T7 gun is going to be the 75L100. Which I guess will have great pen, but moderate damage? Seems ok, at least you can hurt higher tiers, if not that much?
I don't know what the new German gun looks like, but it is my decided opinion that German tanks are consistently undergunned.
The difference in accuracy is minute, and the increased ROF certainly doesn't help when the shots keep bouncing.
It's true that the L71 wouldn't work for a T7 tank, but it doesn't change the fact that the German tanks are shafted compared to their Soviet counterparts, consistently. Given the "hello losers" comment, it becomes even more agitating.
But the simple solution is switching to soviet tanks which I'm doing. :hmm:
Quote from: DGuller on August 05, 2011, 03:40:02 PM
For some reason, that Soviet Tier VII gun doesn't work for me. My stats for T-34-85 are just pathetic. I must be missing some secret to playing that tank in a way that is not sucky.
I think that is Tier 6, isn't it?
Which has, predictably, a better gun than the Tier 7 german med.
I hate Slavs, perhaps more than I hate Arabs.
Oh, and for the real kick in the teeth, the 85mm:
85mm D5T-85BM (http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Gun#85mm_D5T-85BM) | 165/165/290(HP) | 144/194/44(mm) | 11.79(r/m) | 0.32(m) | 2.5(s) |
I am having a pretty rough time in the Panther. My kill/match ratio is below .5, although I am still dealing with the 75mm gun.
Yeah, the Panther is a pain in the ass until you get the L71.
I was running with the derp gun for a while, but that didn't really work either.
You're more or less forced into the TD role with the Panther, although you can of course join a medium zerg if you can gather one.
Quote from: Berkut on August 05, 2011, 04:29:19 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 05, 2011, 03:40:02 PM
For some reason, that Soviet Tier VII gun doesn't work for me. My stats for T-34-85 are just pathetic. I must be missing some secret to playing that tank in a way that is not sucky.
I think that is Tier 6, isn't it?
That's right, it is. I still suck mightily with it, though.
Quote from: katmai on August 02, 2011, 07:38:55 PMI'm Katmai73 in game.
Add me. Pope_Shizzle. I've got all kinds of crap in my garage ranging from T5 to T8.
Quote from: Stonewall on August 05, 2011, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: katmai on August 02, 2011, 07:38:55 PMI'm Katmai73 in game.
Add me. Pope_Shizzle. I've got all kinds of crap in my garage ranging from T5 to T8.
Will do Stoney, I'm just at T5 about to hit T6 with medium US tanks, but i keep dicking around like berkie and spending time trying out SPG, and the German tanks instead of grinding xp :lol:
For some reason I cannot demount equipment for 10 gold anymore. :(
Quote from: Berkut on August 05, 2011, 08:16:09 PM
For some reason I cannot demount equipment for 10 gold anymore. :(
Do you still have a premium account? Do you still have gold?
Yes and yes.
I don't think i can play this anymore without grouping with some non retarded chimps, the amount of times i get decent squad are maybe 25%
Quote from: Berkut on August 05, 2011, 08:48:29 PM
Yes and yes.
Have you tried scrolling down? It's available for me, so it can't be software change.
Argh. I was flanking a T25 around the building, was about to kill it, when some idiot from far away was shooting at it and hit me instead. How fucking hard it is to see when your ally is directly between you and the enemy? :rolleyes:
Quote from: katmai on August 05, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
I don't think i can play this anymore without grouping with some non retarded chimps, the amount of times i get decent squad are maybe 25%
When most of us get to tier 8-9 maybe we could make a corp or what ever. Then you could get some good fighters on your side.
Fucking ammo racks, why do tanks need ammo racks anyway? :mad:
The ammo is less vulnerable to catastrophic explosion if you just leave it strewn around the turret on the floor.
Quote from: katmai on August 05, 2011, 06:22:23 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on August 05, 2011, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: katmai on August 02, 2011, 07:38:55 PMI'm Katmai73 in game.
Add me. Pope_Shizzle. I've got all kinds of crap in my garage ranging from T5 to T8.
Will do Stoney, I'm just at T5 about to hit T6 with medium US tanks, but i keep dicking around like berkie and spending time trying out SPG, and the German tanks instead of grinding xp :lol:
I'm always happy to platoon and would love to play my elited VK3601 and KV-3 in some T6 matches with you. KV3 gets some really favorable matchmaking and is an experience/credit machine.
That 3601 just rocks once you get the upgraded engine into it.
Stoney, I added you - I am Berkutt.
I would love to try playing on some kind of team, maybe with vent or teamspeak.
Quote from: Berkut on August 06, 2011, 01:12:42 AM
Stoney, I added you - I am Berkutt.
I would love to try playing on some kind of team, maybe with vent or teamspeak.
both you a-holes are on, only one of you answers in game chat though!
But yeah a 3 man team coordinated would pretty much do wonders in some of these pitiful groups i've seen.
I was looking at match lists to see if I any of you were on, then noticed that there were some 12000 people online. The odds of being in a match with one of the four people in my friends list is pretty damn low. And the chat function within a match has no way to scroll back, or save messages.
And why aren't you people in the Languish channel anyway?
Strangely enough, I'm actually liking VK 3001H. Its armor can be more accurately described as a privacy wall for the crew, but the 88 gun almost makes up for it, and that 88 gun can cover long distances in a hurry at 55 kph.
The turkeys were out tonight. I didn't even have to hunt for shots, they'd set up in their nests and sit there. Even after I prodded them with a glancing shot they waited for the killing blow. In Ensk, which normally sucks for Arty, I wound up with 2 kills and 2 damaged. In Mines, Abbey and Mountain Pass I dealt roughly 2K in damage each time, which is pretty good for a Tier 5 Arty. Average for my Hummel is just over 1K.
Quote from: Berkut on August 06, 2011, 01:12:42 AM
Stoney, I added you - I am Berkutt.
I would love to try playing on some kind of team, maybe with vent or teamspeak.
I added you. Y'all are welcome to use our teamspeak.
Man, had I known the patch would take this long, I would've researched the gun before racing to the KV-3. Running the KV-3 with the stock gun is painful.
Hey slargos, is there going to be any changes in this patch to the 3601H? I've heard something about it becoming a heavy tank or something.
And do you know anything about the Soviet heavy changes that are supposed to happen...someday? I still have a KV in the garage, and I use it to make credits, but I don't care at all about the S-51, so it hurts me to see all those XP pile up for nothing...
Up to my 3001P now, and boy, is there a world of different between that turd, and the 3001H. I think Porsche should've stuck to building sports cars, they can kill people much better with those.
Quote from: Berkut on August 08, 2011, 09:38:01 AM
Hey slargos, is there going to be any changes in this patch to the 3601H? I've heard something about it becoming a heavy tank or something.
And do you know anything about the Soviet heavy changes that are supposed to happen...someday? I still have a KV in the garage, and I use it to make credits, but I don't care at all about the S-51, so it hurts me to see all those XP pile up for nothing...
Other than the change in designation, I don't know. I wouldn't expect so, since it doesn't change tiers and German tanks don't get buffs. I think it's just cosmetic.
If you like the KV and make money on it, I would keep it since you're too mule headed to get a Löwe. :D
I'm currently keeping the KV on a slow burn and I only play it for the daily double, figuring on unlocking the KV-1S for the sake of completion unless I get bored before that. It looks like the KV1S will lead down the IS line so I may have to get through it regardless.
If you already have the KV1S your KV will be elited after the patch since it no longer leads to the SPG line (that job being taken over by the KV-2 which presumably will be researched for the same reasons as the Panther II) and you'll be able to pour the excess XP back into the crew unless you like spending money on converting XP.
I only sporadically have any real fun with the KV so I will probably get rid of it after I've finished researching the equipment that transfers to the KV-3, and the KV1S.
When the KV splits into the KV and KV-2, you will have the option of transferring your accumulated experience into either vehicle. Also, if they heavy the VK 3601, I would expect a HP increase. German tanks are supposed to have the most HP and if they leave it at 850, the KV3 will have more xp as a T6 heavy, which I think is against the design philosophy.
Quote from: Stonewall on August 08, 2011, 10:54:23 AM
When the KV splits into the KV and KV-2, you will have the option of transferring your accumulated experience into either vehicle. Also, if they heavy the VK 3601, I would expect a HP increase. German tanks are supposed to have the most HP and if they leave it at 850, the KV3 will have more xp as a T6 heavy, which I think is against the design philosophy.
:D
Oh, the naivete of noobs. :P
I don't think the developers have much problem if any to leave German limp dicks flapping in the wind. Although since they usually tout the largely unimportant HP stat when it comes to German tanks I could probably see a HP increase, yes.
My KV is currently "elite" excepting the S-51, so that would be a nice chunk of convertible XP.
Looks like there will be a new tank between the KV-1 and the KV-3 however, so you may need to research it before you can elite it.
Or not. If you have the KV-3 you get that one for free aswell.
This all depends on how they'll treat getting a free tank that you haven't technically researched. Will it be auto-researched or not? Someone has probably asked so I would expect the answer in the forums or on the dev blog.
Yeah, but I rely on you to read through all those forums and dev blogs and filter out the actually useful information as I need it.
Ass. :D
QuoteOverlord (http://www.blogger.com/profile/04097311962547311945) said... Q: thanks a lot...just one question.. if panther will be replaced by panther 2 what will happen to the exp earned on panther 1?? will it also be transfered to panther 2??
A: Yes.
As expected.
34 hits received in my KT. Love it. :D
Haha. What's up with this uber rape anyway? Himmelsdorf. I rack up 4 kills and a bunch of hits by my own. Look up, smugly satisfied with my results since I'm only the 7th from the top, and notice 12 of my buddies are gone. None of the two remaining have scored any kills. :lol:
It reminds me once when I absolutely raped, killing 20 tanks, and yet was still 1 vs. 9 in the end.
Quote from: DGuller on August 08, 2011, 03:07:18 PM
It reminds me once when I absolutely raped, killing 20 tanks, and yet was still 1 vs. 9 in the end.
There is something off about your story. Can't quite place my finger on it. :hmm:
Wow, I just managed to kill 4 enemies in a mostly stock 3001P, while being well in the bottom half of the tiers. That has to rate up there when it comes to achievements against overwhelming odds.
Wow, Top Gun in 3001P. :yeah: That was certainly unexpected, although I did have the 88 in that one, and was ranked a bit higher.
So I'm a total noob and I'm tracking down the Soviet Medium path. Griding through the A-20 right now. A very large portion of my games involve about five heavies a side and high tier mediums and TDs. I'm basically a free kill if I'm caught out in the open. I've resorted to hiding in the bushes on the flanks and bum rushing vulnerable SPs and TDs and occasionally scouting very carefully for my SPs, if they're ever paying attention to what I'm doing. Is this the right thing to do or am I just being a total noob?
How in the hell do you get a screenshot?
Had an awesome Lakeville match just now.
My JagdPzIV starts at the end of the lakepath, playing defense. A loan medium comes down the path, but he ducks around the corner and disappears before I can ID him. So I wait, looking over to the left for targets, and while I wait one of our teams mediums goes down the path. I figure no matter what it is down there, me and a medium can handle it.
So I follow him, and we get around the corner and it is just an M4. However, the guy playing it is pretty good, and he keeps maneuvering so I cannot get off too many shots, and takes out my teammate, but I get him with the Last shot. 1.
I decide now to just charge down the path alone.
I get to the end, and there is a Stug III sitting there. He shoots and misses from about 50m, and I take him out with a single shot to the side. 2.
Now I am into the enemy base area. I immediately see another M4, and two artillery pieces. But the M4 is exactly on the other side of the flagpole, which cannot be fired through. I blow away one of the artillery pieces (3), and the other starts runningAs the M4 starts moving around the flag, the artillery is kind enough to move away from his protector, alllowing me to get a clear shot at him, while keeping the flag between me and the other M4. Blam, other artillery is dead. (4).
I notice the other artillery piece is a little better situated off to the side (note to artillery - don't sit in the flag circle - serioualy), but the M4 is clear now and puts a round into me. I decide to take out the M4, and turn to him, and squeeze of a shot. Critical hit on something, he blows up. (5)
Chase down the other artillery, 1 shot him (6).
Something else comes in, and it takes a couple rounds to take him out, so he doesn't add to my reaper, but that is kill 7. Al that is left is an enemy Tiger, who comes lumbering in, I stick a round into him but don't kill him and the cap finishes.
XP earned: 3020 (doubled)
Credits: 39,705
Achievements: Sniper, Reaper, Top Gun.
12 shots fired for 12 hits, and 6 1 hit kills.
Doesn't quite top my 8 kill match in a PzII, but that was pretty awesome.
Made up for my previous two matches, where in my IS and Panther I got zero kills, 2 damaged enemies, and we lost both of them.
Looking at the German TD line, I don't think I want to progress bey9ond the JagdPanther. After that they all just get slower and slower.
QuoteHow in the hell do you get a screenshot?
Print Screen. Saves in the game's folder.
Quote from: Berkut on August 09, 2011, 12:44:42 AM
Looking at the German TD line, I don't think I want to progress bey9ond the JagdPanther. After that they all just get slower and slower.
In retrospect, I should've definitely gone the Soviet line. The Jagdpanther is a lot of fun to play, but apparently the T9 Object plays a lot like a jagdpanther only with a raytheon turbo laser system affixed to its stealth coated chassis.
The Ferdinand is a fun tank, and it's one of my better tanks both in kill and victory ratio, but it really can't stand up to the ISU-152 not can apparently the JT to the Object. IIRC the JT has on average a 48% victory rate, while the object was around 53. On the entire server. Should tell you something about their relative performance.
I'm just playign the JP for fun right now, and once the new german TD tree comes out I'm going to use the XP on the JP II, but I doubt it will be any better thanthe other high tier german TDs.
Quote from: FunkMonk on August 08, 2011, 09:27:56 PM
So I'm a total noob and I'm tracking down the Soviet Medium path. Griding through the A-20 right now. A very large portion of my games involve about five heavies a side and high tier mediums and TDs. I'm basically a free kill if I'm caught out in the open. I've resorted to hiding in the bushes on the flanks and bum rushing vulnerable SPs and TDs and occasionally scouting very carefully for my SPs, if they're ever paying attention to what I'm doing. Is this the right thing to do or am I just being a total noob?
That's about it.
I'm currently grinding it aswell, but I'm going the lazy route of ninja-scouting during the first minute or so hoping for as many spots as possible for a victory. Rince repeat 3-4 times and I catch the daily double at some point.
It's a quick mother fucker, but it turns far too slowly to really work as a scout IMO.
Remember that there's no point in scouting if there are already targets painted. The SPGs will be plenty busy with what they can see.
They're funny, the Russians, in how openly they will fuck with the West. Completely unashamed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7x6hbcnzCU&feature=youtube_gdata (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7x6hbcnzCU&feature=youtube_gdata)
Can any filthy russian speakers confirm the translation?
I'm beginning to question the veracity of the translation job. :D
Patch day tomorrow. No IS for me. :(
http://games.nicolasprof.com/wot-mods
Strongly recommended mods.
Quote from: Slargos on August 09, 2011, 09:40:58 AM
They're funny, the Russians, in how openly they will fuck with the West. Completely unashamed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7x6hbcnzCU&feature=youtube_gdata (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7x6hbcnzCU&feature=youtube_gdata)
Can any filthy russian speakers confirm the translation?
I would say that the translation isn't quite as good as the typical translation of the Downfall scene you can find on Youtube, but I can confirm that the guy in the video is speaking Russian (or, more accurately, severely slurring Russian).
Quote from: DGuller on August 09, 2011, 11:21:07 AM
Quote from: Slargos on August 09, 2011, 09:40:58 AM
They're funny, the Russians, in how openly they will fuck with the West. Completely unashamed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7x6hbcnzCU&feature=youtube_gdata (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7x6hbcnzCU&feature=youtube_gdata)
Can any filthy russian speakers confirm the translation?
I would say that the translation isn't quite as good as the typical translation of the Downfall scene you can find on Youtube, but I can confirm that the guy in the video is speaking Russian (or, more accurately, severely slurring Russian).
I'd already figured out as much. Still. Funny video. :D
Quote from: Slargos on August 09, 2011, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 09, 2011, 11:21:07 AM
Quote from: Slargos on August 09, 2011, 09:40:58 AM
They're funny, the Russians, in how openly they will fuck with the West. Completely unashamed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7x6hbcnzCU&feature=youtube_gdata (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7x6hbcnzCU&feature=youtube_gdata)
Can any filthy russian speakers confirm the translation?
I would say that the translation isn't quite as good as the typical translation of the Downfall scene you can find on Youtube, but I can confirm that the guy in the video is speaking Russian (or, more accurately, severely slurring Russian).
I'd already figured out as much. Still. Funny video. :D
Imho what guy's saying is unrelated to translation.
They do something that I strongly suspect is out of bounds of acceptable mods for WoT, or at least I hope so.
The first one is adding some information above the enemy tank markers. The second one is a custom crosshair with more useful information, and less useless information. Both of them seem to access information that is not otherwise available to you under any game settings.
Quote from: Berkut on August 09, 2011, 12:59:43 PM
Quote from: Slargos on August 09, 2011, 10:20:00 AM
http://games.nicolasprof.com/wot-mods (http://games.nicolasprof.com/wot-mods)
Strongly recommended mods.
My russian is not so good - what do they do?
One changes the way info is displayed. Gives a permanent amount of HP on every tank, and also displays the amount of damage done by shots. aswell as the type of tank. Pressing ALT switches to names and percentage instead of type and HP.
The other is a reticule mod which simplifies targeting a bit by turning the load progress bar into a timer, and also cleans up sniper mode a bit.
Both install into gamemap/res/gui/flash and the flash folder is small enough that you can just make a backup copy of all of it without trouble.
There are several variants to these mods which I haven't tried yet, and I haven't really gotten used to them so I can't say whether they are a tremendous improvement, but after running a few matches with them it certainly feels like it might be pretty useful tools.
They're approved mods linked from the forums so it should be fine to use them.
Quote from: DGuller on August 09, 2011, 01:09:53 PM
They do something that I strongly suspect is out of bounds of acceptable mods for WoT, or at least I hope so.
The first one is adding some information above the enemy tank markers. The second one is a custom crosshair with more useful information, and less useless information. Both of them seem to access information that is not otherwise available to you under any game settings.
Not really. You can calculate HP for opponents yourself by looking at how many % of their HP they have left, and knowing by heart the tank's HP.
You can also estimate the remaining load time by looking at the progress bar.
The information is readily available, just not in the same processed form.
As far as I can tell they're not "cheats" any more than the hitbox skins are.
WTF, why did Berkut delete his post? Is he mongers's sock puppet?
Holy shit!
Himmelsdorf, Tiers 7-9, 4 arty.
Our T-54 starts by directing arty to stay put for the first minute and dashes away to spot their flag. 4 shot barrage lands in their spawn while they're still tightly grouped and the T-54 proceeds to hold the trainyard until me and a few other Tier 8/9 rush up behind him. We manage to utterly demolish their right flank, and the match ends up 13-0, with one suicide and a surviving enemy arty since the flag is captured in about 15 seconds after we more or less ALL reach it. :D
Importance of directing fire properly and seizing positional advantage shown with utter devastation. Came at them from every direction possible. What a slaughter.
Feels good to be on the winning side of such a fight for once.
I am looking forward to being able to make 2 man platoons even.
Quote from: Slargos on August 09, 2011, 02:15:28 AM
That's about it.
I'm currently grinding it aswell, but I'm going the lazy route of ninja-scouting during the first minute or so hoping for as many spots as possible for a victory. Rince repeat 3-4 times and I catch the daily double at some point.
It's a quick mother fucker, but it turns far too slowly to really work as a scout IMO.
Remember that there's no point in scouting if there are already targets painted. The SPGs will be plenty busy with what they can see.
Okay, that's what I thought too. I'm almost at the T-34 now anyway, so the days of hiding in a tin can for half the match will be over soon. It's still been very fun though. I liked the idea that one shot could easily blow me away ten times over and it's made me very careful in how I approach the game.
Does anyone else lose connection to Internet completely while playing WoT? It seems to happen to me from time to time, although not nearly as often as in the past. Basically, I would lose connection while playing WoT, and then the whole computer would lose connection as well. I would have to sleep the computer, and wake it, in order to get the connection back.
Nope, never had that problem DG. And I context switch out of WoT all the time. Hell, of any online game I've played, I've never seen one as tolerant as WoT.
Those mods, btw, are really nice.
The crosshair is decent, certainly an improvement, but the replacement icons are larger, clearer, and really help situational awareness a LOT.
I really hate it when mods like that are allowed. Ultimately games are zero-sum, but having these kinds of mods be legal requires you to dig around and install all sorts of gizmos just to stay on the level playing field. Why shouldn't installing the game be enough for that?
Quote from: DGuller on August 09, 2011, 11:06:58 PM
I really hate it when mods like that are allowed. Ultimately games are zero-sum, but having these kinds of mods be legal requires you to dig around and install all sorts of gizmos just to stay on the level playing field. Why shouldn't installing the game be enough for that?
I tend to agree, but since there is no way to stop it, what can you do?
What would be nice is if WoT took a page from WoW and started co-opting the best of the mods straight into the game as UI options.
That's one of the things that made me never really come back into WoW when I quit playing it - figuring out which mods were legal/useful/necessary to have an optimal playing experience.
Quote from: Berkut on August 09, 2011, 10:34:42 PM
Those mods, btw, are really nice.
The crosshair is decent, certainly an improvement, but the replacement icons are larger, clearer, and really help situational awareness a LOT.
I find them very distracting but it may be a question of getting used to it.
I just wandered into "Game Rules Enforcement" forum on WoT site, and there are many clans with Nazi or SS themed names getting closed, and their members getting suspended. Something I though you should be aware of, Slargos. :unsure:
Quote from: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 08:22:23 AM
I just wandered into "Game Rules Enforcement" forum on WoT site, and there are many clans with Nazi or SS themed names getting closed, and their members getting suspended. Something I though you should be aware of, Slargos. :unsure:
:lol:
I'm not
that stupid. :P
I even censor myself when posting on the forums. :hmm:
What the furry fuck. :lol:
Soviet tech tree wasn't updated so all the stress and Free XP I used to get KV and KV-3 was entirely wasted! :frusty:
Wasn't it kinda obvious that Soviet tree wouldn't be updated? :huh: I thought I even read something to that effect, but even if not, the patch notes mentioned nothing about Soviet tanks.
Quote from: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 09:32:21 AM
Wasn't it kinda obvious that Soviet tree wouldn't be updated? :huh: I thought I even read something to that effect, but even if not, the patch notes mentioned nothing about Soviet tanks.
In retrospect, you're right.
I just assumed the list they made about tech tree updates would be in this patch.
I only have myself to blame.
Well. The only decision now will be one of whether to sell or keep the Panther I.
Since I'm not going to pay for Premium anymore it may be necessary to keep a few low tier tanks aruond for credits though I guess Løwe will be more than enough...
Hah. They stole the equipment I had mounted on my Panther. I hope it's in the Depot. :mad:
You're not going to pay for Premium? Why?
Quote from: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 09:53:33 AM
You're not going to pay for Premium? Why?
I got a bit aggravated when they mocked the players of German tanks in their weekly video in the segment "E-Series. Hello losers."
I don't feel like spending money when they're consistently treating the German line like shit out of some insipid nationalist fervor.
Well. Panther II feels like a pretty big step up from the Panther I, even though same tier. I just raped the fuck out of 2 Panther II, 1 Panther, 1 Løwe and an IS-3 on Himmelsdorf on the hill, together with a Løwe and a Panther. First time I've successfully used speed, maneuver and cover to defeat a superior force. Managed to knock out a P2, the IS-3 and seriously damage another Panther II.
Sure, they eventually got all three of us, but given the numerical advantage they shouldn't have suffered the casualties they did.
Oh I am REALLY warming up to the new Tier 8 medium.
I just killed a Löwe in peekaboo since the tank is agile enough to pop out and fire sometimes before the opposing heavy has time to aim properly, and once he's fired and missed there's ample time for up to 2 shots before you have to dodge his next one. Simply amazing. It also fires well on the move and penetrates even a Tier 9 head on.
x infinity. I am a killing MACHINE in the Panther II. I wonder if this is how T-54 drivers feel.
Jesus, the German tech tree has now become the German tech spiderweb. And why the fuck did I sell 3001H just a couple of days before this patch? :bleeding:
Words cannot express how much I'm enjoying the new Panther.
This is starting to look like the typical match, and I haven't had this good a run for this long since forever.
Kill 2-4, tag 3-4, detect a couple.
The only games I walk from without a frag are the ones where I'm in the bottom third (edit: or when I literally run into another Panther II in the open as my first move :bleeding: ) and even then it's a tossup. I just forced a KV-5 to retreat in an open country front-to-front long range sniper duel since I was literally dodging his shots.
Simply amazing.
Getting a new pool put in. The bobcat operator promptly cut my cable line yesterday morning. Just getting the patch now...and slargos is making me drool to try on my new Panther II...
And I bet a million fake internet dollars that slargos does not stop paying for premium.
Quote from: Berkut on August 11, 2011, 08:49:53 AM
Getting a new pool put in. The bobcat operator promptly cut my cable line yesterday morning. Just getting the patch now...and slargos is making me drool to try on my new Panther II...
And I bet a million fake internet dollars that slargos does not stop paying for premium.
I will take that bet.
Of course, it might only be a couple of days of not playing premium before I am back on the hook, but right now I'm off it.
Per the typical Steam bullshit, we're also being 20-40% overcharged on our gold compared to Americans. They're doing the usual "It's the VAT!" nonsense.
Since I already have the Löwe and I'm consistently making money I think I will be fine without premium aswell although now that I'm joining a clan that's active in Clan Wars I might get gold anyway, or be forced to pay for gold in order to be competitive.
They have done one smart thing though, and that is using a torrent for the download of the patch. Got about 1.5MB/s when downloading it.
Well, they are Russians. Using torrents is in their blood.
This is just ridiculous. All the more reason to despise the Lowe.
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Just a straight out credit farming tool.
Mother-fucking-artillery. I am never using artillery again.
Match in my M7 Priest.
16 shots fired.
1 hit.
For 4 damage.
How expensive are the Priest's shells? I didn't hit a thing the first 10 matches I played with my Bison. Since then I hardly ever do that poorly unless I get wiped out early.
Important considerations:
You should almost always wait until the aiming oval has fully settled, unless there are multiple targets in the area, the target is large or the target is close.
Make sure the line is green all the way to the target.
Try to pick a shot where the green dots are close to the target and not scattered either by the slope, buildings, trees or other obstacles.
Ideally your target shouldn't be moving, but if he is you'll have to time the movement with the distance to the target. Don't even bother until you get more comfortable.
Targets moving across your field of vision instead of directly toward or away from you are much harder to hit, as you'll have to reposition your vehicle which messes up your targeting.
Quote from: Berkut on August 11, 2011, 02:54:40 PM
This is just ridiculous. All the more reason to despise the Lowe.
Just a straight out credit farming tool.
Le sigh. For €30 I should think so!
It's a straight up 50% bonus to credits, nothing else. The reason you get such high amounts is that the gun does high damage. I get a lot of 80k matches in my Ferdinand and King Tiger aswell.
So what do you think about the Panther, Berk?
I just watched 2 Löwe drivers sit idle camping our flag the entire fucking match, only to venture out after everyone else was dead. There they stumbled onto a 70% panther II and a 30% 3001(P).
Both Löwe were 100%.
Guess which pair comes out of the engagement virtually unscathed? :bleeding:
I reserve my hatred of the Löwe drivers for these occasions. <_<
3001(P) is actually quite nice after upgrades. It's just not a tank designed for battles.
Quote from: DGuller on August 11, 2011, 05:45:17 PM
3001(P) is actually quite nice after upgrades. It's just not a tank designed for battles.
It's not a bad tank. It shouldn't be able to kill Löwes however. And certainly not so while heavily damaged itself. ONE fucking shot would've killed it.
But I don't think they got one hit in between the two of them.
Edit: I don't dispute that I have rage issues, but seeing that kind of thing provokes mutilation fantasies in me. I could easily see myself making a list of players and going house to house, Jay & Silent Bob style, but instead of punching them in the nose beating them to death with their own dismembered limbs.
But those Lowes probably made 50k net each anyway.
Quote from: Slargos on August 11, 2011, 05:18:38 PM
So what do you think about the Panther, Berk?
Well, other than it's great speed, nice armor, excellent gun, and very decent maneuverability there isn't much to recommend it.
edit: Just had a match in my P2 where I soloed a Lowe. Hit him twice from long range, he ran behind a rock, I rushed him at 52 kmh, then just circled around him. He hit me once when I went in for the last shot.
Quote from: Berkut on August 11, 2011, 07:54:33 PM
Quote from: Slargos on August 11, 2011, 05:18:38 PM
So what do you think about the Panther, Berk?
Well, other than it's great speed, nice armor, excellent gun, and very decent maneuverability there isn't much to recommend it.
edit: Just had a match in my P2 where I soloed a Lowe. Hit him twice from long range, he ran behind a rock, I rushed him at 52 kmh, then just circled around him. He hit me once when I went in for the last shot.
Well that's the point.
Tank like a Löwe you can't really outshoot in a stationary position since his gun is almost as accurate as yours but does far more damage. The Panther needs to play to its strengths when facing a Löwe (or any tier 8 heavy or TD, really) and once you adapt to the movement-is-cover playstyle it's a lot of fun, I find.
Incidentally, the battle I described where the Löwes got fucked up was won by two Panther II who scored 5 and 6 respectively. I just hope it won't get nerfed as a result of the recent string of awesomeness.
I have to agree with Berkut from a couple of pages ago. The American 76 mm gun does have its advantages. As long as you're not shooting at a target that bounces your shots, that high rate of fire coupled with moderate damage can be very useful.
Berkut and I tried out playing in a platoon for a couple of games. I have to say that it works great, even without any internal platoon communication. Just the fact that we kept following each other was a great help. I think we played 5 games, and in most of them we drove the action and gotten a number of kills.
Yeah, that was fun.
One game we each had 4 kills in our IS's. That was awesome.
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Driving a German Tank.
http://game.worldoftanks.eu/news/general_news/tanks-hit-1st-anniversary (http://game.worldoftanks.eu/news/general_news/tanks-hit-1st-anniversary)
Now I'm actually considering stocking up on some Gold ammo. :hmm:
QuoteSave up to 58% on all premium shells!
Although this is pretty fucking treacherous. :bleeding:
Typical. Usually the lol-cap victories where half the enemy team is still alive and kicking are pretty rare. They're pretty irritating since they are absolute murder on the XP collection rate, but since they are so rare it doesn't really matter in the long run.
Enter the 5*XP promotion, and out of 8 tanks, 3 of the victories end up being either total overruns which means I don't have enough targets to score enough damage to get more than 500-800xp before the multiplier since they're all, you know, dead. OR they result in blitz-capture victories where there's simply not enough TIME to take out enough to gain any real results.
Best result so far was 1300 * 5 with the rest being in the 700 range, but yesterday I was getting 1400-1600 victories as a matter of routine.
Bitch, bitch, bitch. I guess I should focus on the up-side more. :D
Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I took my Tiger out just to get that 5x promotion, and got a Top Gun in my first day's battle, netting 8,820 XP. Is that what you were complaining about? :)
BTW, equipment is on sale now. I stocked up on the optics and telescopes myself.
Quote from: DGuller on August 13, 2011, 09:23:40 PM
Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I took my Tiger out just to get that 5x promotion, and got a Top Gun in my first day's battle, netting 8,820 XP. Is that what you were complaining about? :)
:cry:
Well. I'm having a fucking terrific morning.
10 battles, 1 victory, 3050 XP.
I have an uncanny ability to pick the non-lemming side and get raped.
Prohorovka: I move east from a southern start position. 11 tanks move west and...promptly park in the bottom left corner. Rage. So much rage.
Finally!! 9330 in the Tiger II. :cool:
Wow, the difference between the M7 Priest and the M41 is incredible.
Quote from: Berkut on August 15, 2011, 11:42:23 AM
Wow, the difference between the M7 Priest and the M41 is incredible.
I'll pretend you did not just say that, you prick. <_<
Tier 5 and Tier 6 appears to be the sweet spot for Arty. T7 and T8's rof drops enough that I'm not sure it'll be particularly fun.
Just got my GW Panther over the weekend, and I'll be upgrading the gun soon.
Quote from: Slargos on August 15, 2011, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 15, 2011, 11:42:23 AM
Wow, the difference between the M7 Priest and the M41 is incredible.
I'll pretend you did not just say that, you prick. <_<
My first tank ever with a kill/match ratio > 1.0 is the M41. It also makes cash like crazy.
Alas...I'm not even through the 'M37' to be able to GET the M7 priest yet....I have to say that progression in the SPG line is god awful slow :yuk:
Speeds up immensely with the M41. I bet I get the 100k+ XP needed in it faster than I got the 41k needed to get he M41 from the M7.
When you hit something now, it actually damages it!
Quote from: Berkut on August 16, 2011, 10:45:54 AM
Speeds up immensely with the M41. I bet I get the 100k+ XP needed in it faster than I got the 41k needed to get he M41 from the M7.
When you hit something now, it actually damages it!
At the rate I get XP (and probably because I'm too cheap to buy premium), you might your 100k+ XP before I managed the last 4K I need to get into the M7 :P
Quote from: Berkut on August 16, 2011, 08:25:03 AM
Quote from: Slargos on August 15, 2011, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 15, 2011, 11:42:23 AM
Wow, the difference between the M7 Priest and the M41 is incredible.
I'll pretend you did not just say that, you prick. <_<
My first tank ever with a kill/match ratio > 1.0 is the M41. It also makes cash like crazy.
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Man, Tier 8 is where the grind really starts to hurt.
Getting E-75 is 160k.
Then there's a minium of 270k to the E-100 which doesn't include tracks and engine (another 70k)
At my rate of XP-acquisition (and counting what I've already amassed), and given that tracks and engine are probably must-haves for the E-75 before beginning the E-100 grind, that's about 600 games not counting daily doubles. :bleeding:
I can only hope for a higher average for the E-75 than for the KT, which is expected given higher DPS but far from given since as usual opposition will be stiffer. Though perhaps the lack of tier 10 in random games will mean that I am top dog more often.
Still.
:bleeding:
Ho hum. I just cleaned out my depot. Figured rather than looking through it to find what I might want to keep (IE modules for stuff like Sherman that I might want to go back to, or things I will end up using later on in the tree) I'd just sell all unused modules and pay a premium on replacing modules as it becomes relevant.
End result?
1.65 million credits. :D
I finally graduated from the IS tank, after almost 200 battles, with an average kill per match of well above 1. Unfortunatley, I forgot to check the price of IS-3 before selling IS, so now I'm short on Soviet heavy tanks while I'm trying to earn enough credits. Unfortunately, my garage has been rather clean already, so garage sale yielded only limited results.
Quote from: DGuller on August 16, 2011, 03:58:44 PM
I finally graduated from the IS tank, after almost 200 battles, with an average kill per match of well above 1. Unfortunatley, I forgot to check the price of IS-3 before selling IS, so now I'm short on Soviet heavy tanks while I'm trying to earn enough credits. Unfortunately, my garage has been rather clean already, so garage sale yielded only limited results.
Don't forget to look at modules for tanks you currently have in your garage. They're typically the costlier ones. Just watch out so you don't sell stuff you might want to use for the IS-3. I'd expect that to already be mounted on your IS though, so shouldn't be a huge worry.
I'm very careful about seeling modules. I only sell the modules that fit the tanks I already elited out.
I think I've got a decent cred generation scheme now. I have my M41, which is good for ~20k per match, and I am almost done getting into the M4, which is supposed to be a cred farming machine as well.
Yeah, I have to get back into playing arty as well. I have re-bought M37, but then it reminded me how much I hate playing arty, and why I sold it in the first place. I guess I just have to tough it out and wait until I get more powerful pieces.
My hatred of SPGs notwithstanding, I just realized that perhaps the best way of getting an SPG nerf is to increase the number of SPGs in battle. :hmm:
Quote from: DGuller on August 16, 2011, 04:15:13 PM
Yeah, I have to get back into playing arty as well. I have re-bought M37, but then it reminded me how much I hate playing arty, and why I sold it in the first place. I guess I just have to tough it out and wait until I get more powerful pieces.
I went from lukewarm, to active hate, back to lukewarm, to really liking it.
Key: get equipment. Shell rammer and GLD is *necessary*.
GLD?
EDIT: Oh, gun laying drive. I hope you can use the ones from tanks, because I now have a couple of those freed up due to my change to using mostly optical equipment.
Just scored 3 frags in my first Hummel match. Alps. Not the greatest map for arty, but I parked on the hill and decided to play overwatch on the bridge and valley. Two of the frags were on the opposing hilltop where tanks had foolishly positioned probably thinking they'd found a great camping spot. One of them I killed in the blind. :hmm:
I will say this for playing SPG: the perspective gives you a lot more understanding of how and why you get hit by SPGs yourself, in addition to learning how people maneuver. Quite important lessons. I was able to fire 4 times on a stationary Jagdpanther. First was a near miss, second was a direct non-penetrating hit, third was a ground-hit which took him down to 4% and the fourth finally knocked him out. What really made me a bit surprised was that he didn't move at all after jiggling around a bit the first time I shot at him. Neither did the tanks attacking across the bridge. They just sat there watching even after I'd taken him down to 4%. I saw them take a few shots but no one attempted to close with him despite the fact that he was the last remaining defender of the bridge.
It all becomes so much clearer from bird's eye view. There should really be an observation mode where you can simply watch games.
Yeah, playing SPGs definitely gives you good ideas on how to avoid getting hit by one yourself. It also helps you understand when you're a hard target to hit, and thus can safely disregard the threat from the arty for the time being.
That is a good idea, observation mode.
What would be cool is getting into it where you can see everyone, but cannot communicate. Wouldn't work because people would cheat though.
Quote from: Berkut on August 16, 2011, 06:40:52 PM
That is a good idea, observation mode.
What would be cool is getting into it where you can see everyone, but cannot communicate. Wouldn't work because people would cheat though.
Replay feature would fix that right quick. Don't see why they haven't already implemented one.
Yeah, a replay/video capture♦ ability would be awesome.
Particularly if you could replay it from each person's perspective as well as god mode.
It's that map with the island in the middle. Everyone on our team went right, to camp the enemy base. No one left near our base. The enemy caps our base. Despite repeated pleading, all of our team continues camping their base, waiting for the enemy to peak out. Shockingly, the enemy team wins by capturing the base. At least there was almost no loss of life in that battle, you have to be thankful for that.
Quote from: DGuller on August 16, 2011, 08:51:26 PM
It's that map with the island in the middle. Everyone on our team went right, to camp the enemy base. No one left near our base. The enemy caps our base. Despite repeated pleading, all of our team continues camping their base, waiting for the enemy to peak out. Shockingly, the enemy team wins by capturing the base. At least there was almost no loss of life in that battle, you have to be thankful for that.
[Berkut]Why didn't you defend?[/Berkut]
Seems to happen more often with that map than with any other. Possibly because it's smaller, and the route to the flag is more direct which means tanks arrive on cap sooner than it's possible to react to it. Additionally, it's a difficult map to attack on, given the wide open spaces. Hell, almost as difficult to defend since there's no obvious cover unless you have the right tank or use the depressions judiciously.
What pisses me off most about the lemming trains is how they ignore the numerical advantage. The Zerg is a powerful tactic and I've seen some simply amazing plays when on paper vastly superior forces were annihilated with minimal casualties by the simply virtue of hitting fast, hard and keep hitting until they're staring confused at their burning hulks wondering what the hell just happened. But the goddamned Lemming fails every time.
Seeing 3 heavies hesitate for almost a minute when facing a lone, damaged PzIII who was playing the stupidest game of peekaboo I've ever seen, seriously undermined my faith in humanity. What little I had left. It wasn't until I had rolled my Ferdi all the way past the morons, around the corner, took out the PzIII and continued on that they actually started to move forward of course behind me. There's a large amount of complete idiots in that game, and surprisingly some of them even drive tier 10 tanks. Though of course that could be people borrowing their friends' accounts.
I was playing arty, can't exactly defend the flank with it.
Quote from: DGuller on August 16, 2011, 09:16:13 PM
I was playing arty, can't exactly defend the flank with it.
[Berkut]Why were you playing Arty, then?[Berkut]
WTF, those fucking light tanks make arty unplayable. :ultra:
The A-20 and the T-54 are my least favorite tanks to go up against. Dealing with them teaches you the skills of keeping an eye out for the rushers, hitting a fast moving target from god mode, sitting in unpredictable spots, and praying for a good screen.
Quote from: frunk on August 16, 2011, 10:22:33 PM
The A-20 and the T-54 are my least favorite tanks to go up against. Dealing with them teaches you the skills of keeping an eye out for the rushers, hitting a fast moving target from god mode, sitting in unpredictable spots, and praying for a good screen.
I assume you mean the T20? The A-20 certainly isn't a threat to SPGs unless your team is REALLY slack about protecting the arty.
The T-54 though, that is a fucking pain in the ass. I will rather face any tank but that one. Seems to bounce everything regardless of where you hit it, and frontally? Forget about it. The lower glacis is so small and angled that it's all but impossible to aim for it when he's maneuvering and the only way to penetrate one is if the driver is really bad or he's gotten tracked.
It's like attempting to kill a wasp with an arquebus. Almost quite literally, in that the best way to slow him down is to ram him. :mad:
I once faced 3 T-54s in a dedicated wolfpack. I didn't get a single shot off in my Panther before I was dead. Shoot on the fly and ram-kill. Fucking assholes.
Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 06:58:54 AM
Quote from: frunk on August 16, 2011, 10:22:33 PM
The A-20 and the T-54 are my least favorite tanks to go up against. Dealing with them teaches you the skills of keeping an eye out for the rushers, hitting a fast moving target from god mode, sitting in unpredictable spots, and praying for a good screen.
I assume you mean the T20? The A-20 certainly isn't a threat to SPGs unless your team is REALLY slack about protecting the arty.
The T-54 though, that is a fucking pain in the ass. I will rather face any tank but that one. Seems to bounce everything regardless of where you hit it, and frontally? Forget about it. The lower glacis is so small and angled that it's all but impossible to aim for it when he's maneuvering and the only way to penetrate one is if the driver is really bad or he's gotten tracked.
It's like attempting to kill a wasp with an arquebus. Almost quite literally, in that the best way to slow him down is to ram him. :mad:
I once faced 3 T-54s in a dedicated wolfpack. I didn't get a single shot off in my Panther before I was dead. Shoot on the fly and ram-kill. Fucking assholes.
I meant the A-20. You do hit teams that are that slack or an A-20 driver that is good at popping up at the wrong moment, and it sucks being on the run because of such a small menace.
The T-20 is annoying but is slower than the A-20 and easier to kill than the T-54.
Le Sigh. Himmelsdorf. Having a great session with the Ferdi kicking the crap out of the enemy across the park despite being harrassed by their arty.
6 Tier7+ tanks left to knock around for XP yet the fuckers decide to cap early. 1000xp already before I've even had time to start playing with the big pinatas. Goddamned cock suckers. :mad:
This game needs a new game type.
"Historical" sides, where everyone on one side has the same nationality. Then, remove the red/green outlines from targets. Would make for some awesome friendly fire fun.
Quote from: Berkut on August 17, 2011, 09:53:52 AM
This game needs a new game type.
"Historical" sides, where everyone on one side has the same nationality. Then, remove the red/green outlines from targets. Would make for some awesome friendly fire fun.
Historical is purportedly on the way. I'd love to see a gametype where you'd actualy have to manually acquire targets though.
It seems the commies have an intense hatred of other gametypes though, so probably not this year.
Quote from: Berkut on August 16, 2011, 04:09:27 PM
I think I've got a decent cred generation scheme now. I have my M41, which is good for ~20k per match, and I am almost done getting into the M4, which is supposed to be a cred farming machine as well.
The M4 with the 105mm HE gun is a credit farmer. Ammo costs are negligible as is the repair bill. The easy8 is a credit farmer as well. Low repair costs combined with almost non-existent ammo costs = profit. KV and KV3 with the 107mm gun are a credit farming machines as well.
Quote from: Berkut on August 17, 2011, 09:53:52 AM
This game needs a new game type.
"Historical" sides, where everyone on one side has the same nationality. Then, remove the red/green outlines from targets. Would make for some awesome friendly fire fun.
Is you look at the WoT forums, there is a section devoted to historical replays. They usually play on Sunday afternoons and require "historically accurate tanks/setups" in an effort to recreate some WW2 matchups. For example, 2 weeks ago I played in one with my Pz4 and the 75L43. There were 3 Pz4's, 5 Pz3 with the 50L60 guns and a couple Stugs versus 4 M3 Lee, 7 M4 Sherman with the stock 75mm gun, a Wolverine and an M7 Priest. We played 5 matches on the Sand River map in a training room. Was a lot of fun.
Quote from: Stonewall on August 17, 2011, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 16, 2011, 04:09:27 PM
I think I've got a decent cred generation scheme now. I have my M41, which is good for ~20k per match, and I am almost done getting into the M4, which is supposed to be a cred farming machine as well.
The M4 with the 105mm HE gun is a credit farmer. Ammo costs are negligible as is the repair bill. The easy8 is a credit farmer as well. Low repair costs combined with almost non-existent ammo costs = profit. KV and KV3 with the 107mm gun are a credit farming machines as well.
Is the cost of the ammo for the M1A1 gun enough to matter?
I really like the better ROF and accuracy on it. Seems like I miss a lot with the 105, even at pretty close range.
Agree on the KV though - it has my largest number of matches played, and that probably won't change. I don't like its play style though. So freaking slow...it is kind of ridiculous when you are high tier though. Just drive around one shotting everything.
So, that was funny. Do you think people get pissed off when they get direct-fire killed by artillery? The guy exchanged three rounds with me while I was rolling up a hill in my shitty Soviet SPG. He misses. I hit. He misses again. I hit. He dings my tracks, knocking off a decent chunk of my paltry HPs. I hit again and he goes 'splode.
Then the Hetzer next to him comes into my sights and has the same thing happen. El oh el?
Being killed by direct fire from the arty is certainly one of the more embarassing ways to go.
Yeah, you should be a little embarassed. It does happen. Although I don't think I've ever been killed by arty that took 3 shots to do it, that is just sad.
I mean really, just turn a bit.
Yeah, if you get hit by 3 direct shots from the arty, then you either need to learn how to play, or you need to fix your connection so that you don't AFK again.
I've managed to two shot people as arty, but nobody ever waited for three.
One guy sat there not doing anything trying to capture the flag while I shot him twice. I think he went afk after parking, expecting to get an easy victory.
Panzer III left on our team, Priest left on their team. Panzer finds Priest, and carefully puts himself in front of his gun. Luckily for us, while Priest aimed at him, Panzer fired point blank. Unluckily, he missed. More unluckily, Panzer drove even closer to the front of the Priest's gun while waiting to reload. Priest didn't miss. :ultra:
How much skill do you need to know that any position directly in front of the enemy gun is a position best avoided?
I just realized that when you play arty, you actually want matchmaker to put you at the bottom of the list. You've got less light tanks to worry about, and more potential to earn experience by repeatedly dinging the tanks.
A good matchup when playing arty is as many heavies as possible, and the most important thing is that there only be 1 arty on each team.
Those matches where there are 3 or 4, nobody ever stops moving.
Quote from: Berkut on August 17, 2011, 09:09:41 PM
A good matchup when playing arty is as many heavies as possible, and the most important thing is that there only be 1 arty on each team.
Those matches where there are 3 or 4, nobody ever stops moving.
And if anybody does there will be 3 or 4 shells that land within 2 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZkzrVJTO0
:lol:
Fucking Russians.
They didn't exactly invent the hot chick at the video game booth.
That is just weird though. It is so over the top pathetic, it is kind of embarrassing that it actually works.
Quote from: Berkut on August 18, 2011, 07:46:45 AM
They didn't exactly invent the hot chick at the video game booth.
That is just weird though. It is so over the top pathetic, it is kind of embarrassing that it actually works.
Booth babe is one thing. The embarrassed dancing is a true shark jumping moment.
I just had a hilarious game on campinovka in my Ferdi.
Positioned for a base defense and got lucky with a skilled scout. Ended up with 8 one-shot kills in a row without a single miss or bounce. Every time I fired it was either a tank with low enough HP that I'd kill it outright, or it was damaged, or someone fired a moment before me so that my shell landed for the kill. :D
People were screaming about cheating and that they were going to report me.
Reaper, Wittman and Top Gun. Only 1500 XP though.
What really pisses me off at a time like this is that I get careless during the blood lust. I entered their base after going across the field under fire assuming that the 5 tanks left would all be shit scared and that the flanking attack would divert their attention enough. It didn't, and I got fragged by a goddamned Løwe and a T-44 who were shooting me from two entirely different directions so I ended up with no way to cover or angle to defend.
I have it on good authority that the Lowe sucks though. Can't imagine how one killed you.
There is some good stuff in the wiki about using shrubs for cover. Have you read that?
:lol:
Quote from: Berkut on August 18, 2011, 01:15:15 PM
I have it on good authority that the Lowe sucks though. Can't imagine how one killed you.
There is some good stuff in the wiki about using shrubs for cover. Have you read that?
:lol:
Do you ever flip off the raging-cunt switch? :hmm:
Berkut without rage is like salt without saltiness.
Quote from: Slargos on August 18, 2011, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 18, 2011, 01:15:15 PM
I have it on good authority that the Lowe sucks though. Can't imagine how one killed you.
There is some good stuff in the wiki about using shrubs for cover. Have you read that?
:lol:
Do you ever flip off the raging-cunt switch? :hmm:
I tried, but she still seems mad all the time anyway.
:D
Fair enough.
I just noticed that there is a red star (figures) on your tank slot in your garage when the tank is eligible for double XP. Is that new, or have I been clueless all this time?
Quote from: Berkut on August 18, 2011, 04:02:07 PM
I just noticed that there is a red star (figures) on your tank slot in your garage when the tank is eligible for double XP. Is that new, or have I been clueless all this time?
:pinch:
Quote from: Slargos on August 18, 2011, 04:03:26 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 18, 2011, 04:02:07 PM
I just noticed that there is a red star (figures) on your tank slot in your garage when the tank is eligible for double XP. Is that new, or have I been clueless all this time?
:pinch:
You never noticed that either, eh?
They should add that to the wiki...
A good da at the office.
We were losing this match badly before I decided to just go see if they had defended the middle path to their base. Turns out they did not.
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Quote from: Berkut on August 18, 2011, 04:02:07 PM
I just noticed that there is a red star (figures) on your tank slot in your garage when the tank is eligible for double XP. Is that new, or have I been clueless all this time?
I see no reason why those options are mutually exclusive...
Quote from: Berkut on August 18, 2011, 04:04:54 PM
Quote from: Slargos on August 18, 2011, 04:03:26 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 18, 2011, 04:02:07 PM
I just noticed that there is a red star (figures) on your tank slot in your garage when the tank is eligible for double XP. Is that new, or have I been clueless all this time?
:pinch:
You never noticed that either, eh?
They should add that to the wiki...
:lol:
:huh: I knew about that red star thing ever since I read about it today.
Quote from: DGuller on August 18, 2011, 04:18:43 PM
:huh: I knew about that red star thing ever since I read about it today.
Jesus fucking christ. :lol:
You guys are like hawks, with your keen sense of observation. :P
Just had a match in my JP, and I was last tier. And not just last tier, REALLY last tier. Everything was 9s.
So I decided I was going to sit back and just snipe, snipe, snipe.
Kind of amazing what you can accomplish when you stick to what you are good at.
We lost, but I got 733 XP and over 30k credits anyway.
So, what is everyone's handle for potential platoonizing? It'll be a bit before I get near the rest of you, of course, but if you want to play in the little leagues again, I'm happy to zip around and play artillery spotter.
Berkutt
DGuller
Quote from: Berkut on August 18, 2011, 09:25:01 PM
Berkutt
Yes, I had wondered which one was you. I typed "berkut" only to get, oh, about 500 hits on the roster...
I know, my name used to be kind of unusual on the net....not anymore.
Wait until World of Warplanes comes out.
Quote from: Berkut on August 17, 2011, 01:45:30 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on August 17, 2011, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 16, 2011, 04:09:27 PM
I think I've got a decent cred generation scheme now. I have my M41, which is good for ~20k per match, and I am almost done getting into the M4, which is supposed to be a cred farming machine as well.
The M4 with the 105mm HE gun is a credit farmer. Ammo costs are negligible as is the repair bill. The easy8 is a credit farmer as well. Low repair costs combined with almost non-existent ammo costs = profit. KV and KV3 with the 107mm gun are a credit farming machines as well.
Is the cost of the ammo for the M1A1 gun enough to matter?
I really like the better ROF and accuracy on it. Seems like I miss a lot with the 105, even at pretty close range.
The ammo costs on the 75 are negligible as well. I found that when playing with the 75, that I was never manueverable enough to compete well in games where I was top tier and in games where I wasn't, I could never penetrate anything. Gun is terrible sniping gun due to poor accuracy. The 105 with he shells can one shot many lower tier opponents and always damages those higher tiered tanks you often get tossed in with. M4 was my best performing tank to date in terms of win rate. Something like 67 or 68% for me over 70 ish matches.
The M1A1 is the 76mm gun, not the 75.
I am trying to keep the Languish channel on, but nobody is ever on it. Now that we can platoon for free, we should try to do so more often.
Rarely is there a feeling of mixed remorse/triumph like this :
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Image blurry, is it something good or bad?
Quote from: Berkut on August 19, 2011, 03:17:05 PM
Image blurry, is it something good or bad?
"Cannot fire: out of shells."
I have tried the game. I approve.
Fear my Panzerjager!
I'm in the game now. I'm sucktastic with my Panzerfuckwagon.
I couldn't find the player "sucktastic". Did you spell it right?
Yeah, pretty sure. Maybe try spelling it with a Z.
Just got my first upgraded tank, the Panzerjager I. Go me.
Well, whoever the fuck you are, get in the damn Languish channel.
Where's that?
Click on "channels" in the lower left corner, search for "Languish".
Alright.
When I zoom in all the way a little exclamation point pops up within my Vehicle Condition Panel on the top right. Wtf is that? When I zoom out, it goes away.
Exclamation point means your hull is locked.
*researches*
Ohhhh. For tank destroyers so I can stay stationary and not reset my target reticule. Kick ass.
Quote from: JonasSalk on August 20, 2011, 02:20:47 PM
*researches*
Ohhhh. For tank destroyers so I can stay stationary and not reset my target reticule. Kick ass.
Movement, including turning, makes it more likely for the enemy to spot you. So if you think you have a good hiding spot, stay still. (Turning of a turret - which most tank destroyers don't have - doesn't count.)
Cool, just got the Hunter achievement, 100 or more Jagdpanther, Jagdtiger, PzKpfw V Panther, PzKpfw VI Tiger, and PzKpfw VI Ausf. B Tiger II killed.
Also got the Top Gun for the first time in my GW Panther. I've gotten plenty of Confederate results, but Arty usually doesn't catch enough smaller targets to rack up the big kill number in a battle.
I am Dansky in the game btw
I'm NonStampCollector
Katmai73 if inever get time to log in on weekends.
73 stone?
1973, greatest year ever.
OK, pops.
Well that's about the dumbest thing I've done in the game. Down to our 3 arties versus 1. We seem him sprinting for our flag but don't get a clean shot, two of us are close enough to try to cap so I start moving there. The other guy sits there for too long but does eventually move. I'm capping and moving, when we get visual of him just outside our flag. I pop into artillery mode to line up a shot, and for some reason I'm not getting one. Then I realize that I forgot to stop moving, drove right off the flag and lost the cap. Time runs out.
I love the American 90 mm gun. It almost makes all the futile grinding with T1 and stock M6 worth it. :yeah:
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Gun strongly resembles a frog.
I understand SP guns are great for breaking campfests but boy do I hate them. Even with the slightest chance of being spotted, I must move away from my awesome sniping positions with my Pzrjager. And it is slow, unturnable, and weak. It SCREAMS against moving, like, ever.
But it is so sweet to manual-aim some awesome long shots.
What can I say, I am a sniper at heart. ^_^
After a long run in my VK3601H, I broke down and bought a Tiger I. I already had both guns and all three engines researched, and enough FXP to upgrade the turret immediately.
Wow. It is really, really slow. After playing the IS, that 29kmh top speed seems like it is just crawling. I could not imagine what it must be like to play that without the engine upgrades.
Next up for a new tank is my IS, nearly ready for the IS-3. That turret armor on the IS-3 is just plain ridiculous.
Quote from: Berkut on August 23, 2011, 07:34:56 AM
Next up for a new tank is my IS, nearly ready for the IS-3. That turret armor on the IS-3 is just plain ridiculous.
Which I have found entirely annoying trying to take out with the Priest....for that matter, I'm always at the bottom with a ton of heavies. I do lots of damage, but can never seem to get a kill, since my shots only manage to shave off ~10% at a time ... :mad:
Quote from: Arvoreen on August 23, 2011, 08:23:11 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 23, 2011, 07:34:56 AM
Next up for a new tank is my IS, nearly ready for the IS-3. That turret armor on the IS-3 is just plain ridiculous.
Which I have found entirely annoying trying to take out with the Priest....for that matter, I'm always at the bottom with a ton of heavies. I do lots of damage, but can never seem to get a kill, since my shots only manage to shave off ~10% at a time ... :mad:
Yeah, that is the Priest. Ridiculous rate of fire for a SPG, teeny, tiny damage.
Quote from: Berkut on August 23, 2011, 07:30:55 AM
After a long run in my VK3601H, I broke down and bought a Tiger I. I already had both guns and all three engines researched, and enough FXP to upgrade the turret immediately.
Wow. It is really, really slow. After playing the IS, that 29kmh top speed seems like it is just crawling. I could not imagine what it must be like to play that without the engine upgrades.
Isn't IS limited to 33 kph?
That's the life of lower tier SPGs. You can either target some of the lower tier mediums, the fast moving lights that you probably won't catch, or plink away at the heavies and upper tier mediums.
Some of the lower tier heavies can be good targets. In particular the base KV. Easy to hit, easy to kill, and good for your team to have taken out. The T1 heavy is slightly more difficulty but also worthy of attention.
Quote from: DGuller on August 23, 2011, 08:26:25 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 23, 2011, 07:30:55 AM
After a long run in my VK3601H, I broke down and bought a Tiger I. I already had both guns and all three engines researched, and enough FXP to upgrade the turret immediately.
Wow. It is really, really slow. After playing the IS, that 29kmh top speed seems like it is just crawling. I could not imagine what it must be like to play that without the engine upgrades.
Isn't IS limited to 33 kph?
Yep. Which is why it seems odd that the Tiger feels so slow - it really isn't much slower.
Tiger has atrocious acceleration which is probably why it feels so sluggish.
The IS-3 will frustrate you if you enjoyed the IS. Until you get the BL-9 gun, you are somewhere between a medium and heavy tank. Remember not to angle your armor. IS-3 with the pike armor is best pointed straight at what is shooting you. Angling is just gives them flat 90 degree spots to aim at. You will be surprised at how easily you get penetrated. It's a very different play style than the IS. Once you get used to it, however, and get the gun upgrade, it's a ton of fun to play.
I am about 60k xp away from both the IS-4 and the E-75. Not sure which one I will get first. Can only truly afford one of them. Credits have been hard to come by lately. The Lowe just isn't as much fun as it used to be since I have my fully upgraded KT and not playing the ATM machine means my credits have been stuck at the 2.5m mark for about a week.
Is it double artillery credit day today or something?
I just got 70000 credits in one battle with my M41.
So far the IS-3 has been a disaster. Complete and utter disaster. That same gun I kicked as with in the IS cannot hit anything. And when it does it bounces. And I keep getting blown up in just a couple shots.
Pzr38, or T-46?
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2011, 01:25:16 PM
So far the IS-3 has been a disaster. Complete and utter disaster. That same gun I kicked as with in the IS cannot hit anything. And when it does it bounces. And I keep getting blown up in just a couple shots.
Same here. My stats are still pretty good, but that feeling of being an alpha male you get when driving an IS is completely gone. In a moderately bad or worse match, I feel utterly useless. I can't wait to get enough credits for BL-9 gun, which looks to be a huge improvement over the IS 122 mm gun.
Finally decided to try this out, though I'm not in any position to plunk down RL money on any kind of enhancements at the moment. Any tips for the noob?
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2011, 02:15:09 PM
Finally decided to try this out, though I'm not in any position to plunk down RL money on any kind of enhancements at the moment. Any tips for the noob?
Avoid being at the front of your team's line. That's a big one.
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2011, 01:25:16 PM
So far the IS-3 has been a disaster. Complete and utter disaster. That same gun I kicked as with in the IS cannot hit anything. And when it does it bounces. And I keep getting blown up in just a couple shots.
Welcome to the non BL-9 IS-3. :) I can say that the BL-9 completely changes the tank and that my performance in it went up exponentially. The key to remember is that IS-3 is, unlike the other Russian heavies, not a brawler tank. It is a mix between heavy and flanker. Once you get used to pointing at your target and not angling your armor, the tank starts bouncing a lot more shots. You have a very low profile and very good turret armor. While you lack the gun depression of the US tanks, playing hull down is also very beneficial.
Stick with it. It gets fun once you're upgraded.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2011, 02:15:09 PM
Finally decided to try this out, though I'm not in any position to plunk down RL money on any kind of enhancements at the moment. Any tips for the noob?
It's ok to be a lemming. Don't go first. Let the other idiots plod out and be the first deaths. Remember that your xp and credit gains are directly proportional to how much damage you inflict. While it might be good for your team for you to be the lone voice of reason and sole defender of the left flank, its not worth being the first one killed or the only person who goes. If you see 10 people going left and 4 going right, its ok to go right. Chances are you'll get a lot more chances to damage enemy tanks as the stuff your right group encounters will likely die quicker than you can change targets.
Survival is the name of the game. Get used to the ROF of enemy tanks so you can move openly wither to shoot or to another piece of cover when they are reloading.
Most important advice is to learn the tanks you'll be using and facing. What guns they use and how strong their armor is. I recommend the PoGS counter mod. It replaces symbols you can't understand with schematics of tanks that show their armor levels and best gun penetration values. At a glance you can now see what your biggest threats are and what you can safely ignore in favor of more dangerous targets. There is a floating combat text mod as well that converts the % you see above enemy tanks to actual HP numbers.
Ok so one of the loadin screen tooltips basically said, if the target is too armored for AP, try HE.
What gives?
Also, how profitable points wise to scout? I saw you get credited for spotting.
Quote from: Tamas on August 25, 2011, 02:49:51 PM
Ok so one of the loadin screen tooltips basically said, if the target is too armored for AP, try HE.
What gives?
:huh: Seems pretty self-explanatory.
Quote from: Tamas on August 25, 2011, 02:49:51 PM
Ok so one of the loadin screen tooltips basically said, if the target is too armored for AP, try HE.
What gives?
If the target is too armored for AP, try HE.
Sometimes, when a target has a great deal of armor, HE is a better choice over AP.
Quote from: frunk on August 25, 2011, 03:28:06 PM
Sometimes, when a target has a great deal of armor, HE is a better choice over AP.
:lol:
thanks guys, I knew I could count on you.
You could further enlighten me on that, however, seeing that the anti-strong-armor solution HE has miniscule armor penetration. Not to mention that my general assumption was that the AP ammunition was invented to go through armor the general HE shells couldn't. I clearly assumed wrong.
If the AP has enough penetration to get through the armor it's the better choice. However if it can't the HE has a better chance of damaging the tank even though the HE also won't achieve penetration.
Also note that on the small early guns HE is pretty useless as it doesn't do enough extra damage over the AP to really matter.
Quote from: Tamas on August 25, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: frunk on August 25, 2011, 03:28:06 PM
Sometimes, when a target has a great deal of armor, HE is a better choice over AP.
:lol:
thanks guys, I knew I could count on you.
You could further enlighten me on that, however, seeing that the anti-strong-armor solution HE has miniscule armor penetration. Not to mention that my general assumption was that the AP ammunition was invented to go through armor the general HE shells couldn't. I clearly assumed wrong.
HE ammo creates a heat wave that "washes" over the target in a cone after impact, and effectively "seeks" weak points in the armour. It does spalling damage rather than penetrating.
If you penetrate with a HE shell, the effect is typically devastating, but even if you don't it will almost always do some damage although HE can sometimes bounce aswell though it's only happened to me a few times. HE can also do proximity damage although the effect is very limited in the shells for most tank guns.
Hence, when you find yourself in a fight against a higher tiered tank that you can't penetrate even if you flank him or in a situation where it's important that your next shot does damage against an opponent that for instance has only 1% of his hitpoints left [yes, Berkut, you fucking ass-cunt, I am calling you out again] it's typically a good idea to switch to HE.
My understanding is that AP goes through (makes damage) or doesn't (makes no damage), while the HE is very likely to do at least some damage (but not as much as a piercing AP round), no matter what.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2011, 01:23:53 PM
Is it double artillery credit day today or something?
I just got 70000 credits in one battle with my M41.
Starting from 5:30 AM UTC, August 25, and till 5:00 AM UTC, August 26, the profit gained from Hummel, SU-8 and M41 SPGs will be doubled.
Ahh, cool. That is well timed, since I just went broke buying that POS IS-3.
In addition, HE seems to have a higher chance to achieve critical hits, like killing crew members.
It's penetration value also is not lowered due to distance to the target. The projectile flies slower though.
Quote from: Slargos on August 25, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: Tamas on August 25, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: frunk on August 25, 2011, 03:28:06 PM
Sometimes, when a target has a great deal of armor, HE is a better choice over AP.
:lol:
thanks guys, I knew I could count on you.
You could further enlighten me on that, however, seeing that the anti-strong-armor solution HE has miniscule armor penetration. Not to mention that my general assumption was that the AP ammunition was invented to go through armor the general HE shells couldn't. I clearly assumed wrong.
HE ammo creates a heat wave that "washes" over the target in a cone after impact, and effectively "seeks" weak points in the armour. It does spalling damage rather than penetrating.
If you penetrate with a HE shell, the effect is typically devastating, but even if you don't it will almost always do some damage although HE can sometimes bounce aswell though it's only happened to me a few times. HE can also do proximity damage although the effect is very limited in the shells for most tank guns.
Hence, when you find yourself in a fight against a higher tiered tank that you can't penetrate even if you flank him or in a situation where it's important that your next shot does damage against an opponent that for instance has only 1% of his hitpoints left [yes, Berkut, you fucking ass-cunt, I am calling you out again] it's typically a good idea to switch to HE.
Hey, I am just glad you took my advice and read the wiki. It has clearly helped you out quite a bit.
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2011, 03:53:43 PM
Quote from: Slargos on August 25, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
Quote from: Tamas on August 25, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: frunk on August 25, 2011, 03:28:06 PM
Sometimes, when a target has a great deal of armor, HE is a better choice over AP.
:lol:
thanks guys, I knew I could count on you.
You could further enlighten me on that, however, seeing that the anti-strong-armor solution HE has miniscule armor penetration. Not to mention that my general assumption was that the AP ammunition was invented to go through armor the general HE shells couldn't. I clearly assumed wrong.
HE ammo creates a heat wave that "washes" over the target in a cone after impact, and effectively "seeks" weak points in the armour. It does spalling damage rather than penetrating.
If you penetrate with a HE shell, the effect is typically devastating, but even if you don't it will almost always do some damage although HE can sometimes bounce aswell though it's only happened to me a few times. HE can also do proximity damage although the effect is very limited in the shells for most tank guns.
Hence, when you find yourself in a fight against a higher tiered tank that you can't penetrate even if you flank him or in a situation where it's important that your next shot does damage against an opponent that for instance has only 1% of his hitpoints left [yes, Berkut, you fucking ass-cunt, I am calling you out again] it's typically a good idea to switch to HE.
Hey, I am just glad you took my advice and read the wiki. It has clearly helped you out quite a bit.
:D
That didn't work the last 5 times, and I assure you there is little probability of it working in the future. :hmm:
Should we do another round of comparing stats? :P
I just got a KV-1S with the reduced price. Very timely. Only had to spend 2k free xp in order to get it today.
QuotePrices for Т-34, SU-76, KV-1S, PzKpfw III/IV, PzKpfw IV, PzKpfw VI Tiger, M7, M4A3E8 Sherman and T1 Heavy reduced by half!
I still can't shake the string of horrendous results in my KT. It might be that my play style simply lends itself to playing TDs or mediums rather than heavies. KT has dropped to low 40s while DB+ and most TDs are in the high 50s or even low 60s.
Managed to get the JagdPanther up to a solid 1.38 average kills and 61% victory.
This is a great game, but it can be so goddamned frustrating.
I just played my daily double in the hummel, and end up in a 5-4 SPG advantage game where in addition our SPGs are higher tiered than the opposition, and in the early stage I knock one out giving us a probably around 50-60% advantage in artillery firepower.
What does our team do?
Camp.
For 5 minutes straight.
No one attempts to spot. Not a SINGLE FUCKING ONE.
When prompted to move forward, they complain about being "unable to move" on account of the overwhelming number of opposing SPGs.
Eventually, I have to move forward myself and play a goddamned artillery scout in a bid to get the game going.
I sometimes wonder if this game is actually a tool of Lucifer's, with the purpose of fomenting a deep and seething hatred of humanity, because every day it feels more and more like nuclear weapons is the only way to cleans this infestation of stupidity.
SPGs as anti-camping tools my hairy fucking ass. :bleeding:
That StuG III sure is effective in battle. :hmm: I think those KVs just got annoyed to death from the sounds of my shells bouncing.
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Had the most hilarious battle last night: I was the second or third casualty, thanks to a moron teammate ramming me, dropping half my health and busting my left tread, while moving out in the first minute. The rest of the team didn't fare much better; with five minutes left to go, only one teammate was left.
This could have been an easy capture win for the other team, but their only remaining tank seemed to think we were psyching him out (in reality, our last tank was actually stuck glitched against a rock in a corner of the map). End result: DRAW.
Slowly improving the stats. .87/531 frag/xp average. :hmm:
Wohooo, got the KV. Damn stock KV sucks ass, I give perhaps 2-5% damage after a good hit. Wellwell, first I'll research the new tower (but not put it on), then the 122.
I've decided to take a 2-month hiatus from WoT. It's so damn addictive that it interferes too much with my studying.
I usually play a couple of hours every day now, but yeah, it does get in the way of my school stuff, too.
That said, I now have a Hetzer and I'm desperately trying to upgrade the cannon on it. I have the best engine, which is very nice, as otherwise I'd be moving like a snail. I've learned to cower in fear of KVs and T1 HTs because I can do virtually nothing to them while they can almost always 1-shot me.
Picked up my E-75. What a dream machine.
The IS-3 + BL-9 > IS-3 ~BL-9.
Quote from: Berkut on August 31, 2011, 03:41:28 PM
The IS-3 + BL-9 > IS-3 ~BL-9.
Honestly, I didn't feel much of a difference. I only played with BL-9 for maybe a dozen games at most, but it didn't really change the tank around for me all that much. I expected it to penetrate most tanks, but it still bounces a lot.
Massively is giving away promo codes for World of Tanks this weekend: http://t.co/zGnwsNs
QuoteSorry, no more keys are available.
:lol:
Slargieboy and other euros: What's your nick?
Quote from: Threviel on September 03, 2011, 03:31:35 AM
Slargieboy and other euros: What's your nick?
I nick Slargmann
I play next to nothing these days though. I've even stopped doing my daily doubles. Insane-busy at work, to the point that when I get home all I have the energy for is dropping into bed. :homestar:
What is better if I were to pay gold for a tank. The KV-5 or spend 5,000 more gold and get the Lowe? I feel like the KV-5 is better because of the larger amount of Armour and the few more hp it has but I am no expert so I have no idea. What do you guys think?
SO I finished the Tier V M41 US SPG.
217 matches played.
301 kills
258,000 damage - 1188 damage/match
To put that in perspective, my Panther-2 is averaging 840 damage/match, at Tier 8.
I open up the game this morning, and see new patch notes, including:
QuoteRebalanced parameters of American SPGs and several SPGs of other tank trees.
Doh!
Quote from: Shade on September 03, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
What is better if I were to pay gold for a tank. The KV-5 or spend 5,000 more gold and get the Lowe? I feel like the KV-5 is better because of the larger amount of Armour and the few more hp it has but I am no expert so I have no idea. What do you guys think?
What is better is to not spend gold for tanks.
Quote from: Shade on September 03, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
What is better if I were to pay gold for a tank. The KV-5 or spend 5,000 more gold and get the Lowe? I feel like the KV-5 is better because of the larger amount of Armour and the few more hp it has but I am no expert so I have no idea. What do you guys think?
The KV-5 is a nice tank, but I would say get the Löwe. You want a tank that hits hard when you get premiums since the more damage you dish out the more credits you get and the premium tanks get a credit bonus. More armour also means more opportunity for delivering presents down range, but frankly I prefer the more reliable cannon on the Löwe. Additionally, the KV-5 has some pretty massive weak spots on the front which nullify much of its advantage.
Quote from: Slargos on September 03, 2011, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: Shade on September 03, 2011, 09:02:12 AM
What is better if I were to pay gold for a tank. The KV-5 or spend 5,000 more gold and get the Lowe? I feel like the KV-5 is better because of the larger amount of Armour and the few more hp it has but I am no expert so I have no idea. What do you guys think?
The KV-5 is a nice tank, but I would say get the Löwe. You want a tank that hits hard when you get premiums since the more damage you dish out the more credits you get and the premium tanks get a credit bonus. More armour also means more opportunity for delivering presents down range, but frankly I prefer the more reliable cannon on the Löwe. Additionally, the KV-5 has some pretty massive weak spots on the front which nullify much of its advantage.
ok thank you
Quote from: Berkut on September 03, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
SO I finished the Tier V M41 US SPG.
217 matches played.
301 kills
258,000 damage - 1188 damage/match
To put that in perspective, my Panther-2 is averaging 840 damage/match, at Tier 8.
I open up the game this morning, and see new patch notes, including:
QuoteRebalanced parameters of American SPGs and several SPGs of other tank trees.
Doh!
That's pretty similar to my numbers with the Hummel.
316 matches played.
361 kills
376,978 damage - 1193 damage/match
In comparison my GW Panther has:
221 matches played.
242 kills
369258 damage - 1671 damage/match
I think my play style has migrated away from going for kills and/or towards targeting the bigger heavies/TDs.
Yep, I've totally switched to Slargos "more damage >> more kills" strategy, both in straight up and especially with artillery. I will actually switch targets away from a low HP left target to a "fresh" target, assuming one of the DF guys can finish off the nearly dead.
Quote from: Berkut on September 03, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
Yep, I've totally switched to Slargos "more damage >> more kills" strategy, both in straight up and especially with artillery. I will actually switch targets away from a low HP left target to a "fresh" target, assuming one of the DF guys can finish off the nearly dead.
Yeah, it gets to the point that if there's a nearly dead light or medium it's annoying to have to waste a shell on them.
I'm still trying to survive my matches. lol
I know the Hetzer is a higher tier, but does it have the awesome firepower of the maxed out Marder gun? In other words, does it worth the credits?
Quote from: Tamas on September 04, 2011, 04:58:20 AM
I know the Hetzer is a higher tier, but does it have the awesome firepower of the maxed out Marder gun? In other words, does it worth the credits?
The Marder is a very special tank. The guy with the highest victory % on the Euro server plays the Marder exclusively, so for its tier it is obviously one of the most efficient tanks of the game.
I prefer the Hetzer, however, since it is the first german TD that can actually trade shots with the tanks it faces. The hetzer also has one of the best TD camo ratings of the game, AFAIK, so it's a great platform. My favourite tank of the game is the JagdPanther, and since the Hetzer is a stepping stone towards it, obviously my answer is going to be: Yes. It's worth it.
I decided to try out the public beta, to satisfy my hunger for WoT action. Interestingly enough, public beta is solely Russian, and mostly Russians play there. Another interesting things is that Russiansa absolutely suck; I manage 10x my average XP gain when playing on the test server.
Quote from: DGuller on September 04, 2011, 09:59:20 AM
I decided to try out the public beta, to satisfy my hunger for WoT action. Interestingly enough, public beta is solely Russian, and mostly Russians play there. Another interesting things is that Russiansa absolutely suck; I manage 10x my average XP gain when playing on the test server.
:lol:
:homestar:
It's funny how often Russians say something nasty about Americans, and assume that I can't understand it. :lol:
lol that was funny and frustrating: for a change, I got into a game with mostly tier 3 stuff with my Hetzer. We were near losing, but I pounded two attacking waves into oblivion, scoring 4 kills in the process. Except that when I was alone, the last two enemy attacked my flag, and after I destroyed the medium tank, the light one used it as cover inside our base, and basically we were playing catch until the counter reached 100 and I lost. :yucky:
Quote from: Slargos on September 04, 2011, 05:50:12 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 04, 2011, 04:58:20 AM
I know the Hetzer is a higher tier, but does it have the awesome firepower of the maxed out Marder gun? In other words, does it worth the credits?
The Marder is a very special tank. The guy with the highest victory % on the Euro server plays the Marder exclusively, so for its tier it is obviously one of the most efficient tanks of the game.
I prefer the Hetzer, however, since it is the first german TD that can actually trade shots with the tanks it faces. The hetzer also has one of the best TD camo ratings of the game, AFAIK, so it's a great platform. My favourite tank of the game is the JagdPanther, and since the Hetzer is a stepping stone towards it, obviously my answer is going to be: Yes. It's worth it.
:thumbsup: I love the Hetzer. The 10.5cm gun can punch, and as you said it's so nice to trade shots instead of just insta-blowing when I get spotted.
I have a Hetzer with the 105mm cannon on it and...wow. WHEN I can manage to penetrate something, it typically dies in one shot. Doom cannon.
Hetzer's were near the top of my list of "dangerous things I need to blow up" when I was in my Wespe and Grille.
Quote from: JonasSalk on September 04, 2011, 01:31:46 PM
I have a Hetzer with the 105mm cannon on it and...wow. WHEN I can manage to penetrate something, it typically dies in one shot. Doom cannon.
That's how HE works. High damage, but low penetration. If it can penetrate it, it can typically one-shoot it.
I'm enjoying the E-75 so far. Still using the 10.5 from the KT but the added armour and HP is nice.
Though frankly, I think I've passed the point where I can't get angry any more.
I just got a Wittman in my 3rd battle, but still we lost when a single medium ran the long way around and pasted one arty in our base while hte other ran. The Löwe defending the base had gone AFK and the TD on defense didn't move to defend the flag.
Usually I would be frothing by now, but I simply can't gather the energy. It's just typical.
Quote from: Berkut on August 01, 2011, 09:32:46 AM
One thing we agree on though is that a Battletech game based on this engine would be pretty awesome. You could do a lot with the classes, research, and tech trees in the BT universe.
That's cool.
Quote from: Berkut on August 01, 2011, 09:32:46 AM
One thing we agree on though is that a Battletech game based on this engine would be pretty awesome. You could do a lot with the classes, research, and tech trees in the BT universe.
Such a game existed in the very early 2000s. My brother and I played the beta and it was every bit like World of Tanks is, only within the BT universe, and you fought battles over control of various planets and such just like WoT has the big clan war thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplayer_BattleTech_3025
Mega sadface when it was canceled, as it was amazing fun.
About to go get my ass blown away in my first game. Handle is Doghouse_Riley...
OMFG this game *IS* addictive...
And finally got my first kill (and hit, for that matter) in my 7th battle. Was the last guy left alive on my team (because my starter tank is so fucking slow & couldn't keep up with our zerg rush) & was creeping up on the enemies flag. They were already camped on ours, so nothing to do but sneak in the back way & start plinking defenders until time ran out...
:P
9 kills in a single round with my Hetzer! :cool:
How did you guys get the Hetzer to work? I really hated it and could never come to grips with it, and was happy to blow some of my free experience to skip ahead to StuG.
Quote from: DGuller on September 07, 2011, 03:40:45 PM
How did you guys get the Hetzer to work? I really hated it and could never come to grips with it, and was happy to blow some of my free experience to skip ahead to StuG.
well maxed engine with 105mm gun is very ok. I am not doing anything non-TD-standard thing with it, really.
Quote from: DGuller on September 07, 2011, 03:40:45 PM
How did you guys get the Hetzer to work? I really hated it and could never come to grips with it, and was happy to blow some of my free experience to skip ahead to StuG.
Get the up-gunned 105mm and stay in rocks and bushes so you're camo'd. Wait for someone to come by you until you know you can hit. Plug them and they're dead in one shot. Watch out for heavy tanks, however, because they will fuck you hard because the 105 can't penetrate for shit.
This game is soooooo addicting, but I royally suck...
:blush:
Quote from: JonasSalk on September 07, 2011, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 07, 2011, 03:40:45 PM
How did you guys get the Hetzer to work? I really hated it and could never come to grips with it, and was happy to blow some of my free experience to skip ahead to StuG.
Get the up-gunned 105mm and stay in rocks and bushes so you're camo'd. Wait for someone to come by you until you know you can hit. Plug them and they're dead in one shot. Watch out for heavy tanks, however, because they will fuck you hard because the 105 can't penetrate for shit.
Well you can be pretty useful in helping chipping down heavys if you manage to shoot them from the side, and if you can get in two shots from behind, you can take them alone.
Started playing this one yesterday. When I looked at the clock it was 3 AM. :blush:
Was thinking initially of going for Leo on Krauts (got a fully decked Pz. II) and progressing down the Soviet medium tree as soon as economically viable.
I'm finally having a lot of success with the little Panzerjäger. I used to be eaten alive by arty until I decided to stay way back, I set up shop somewhere high and snipe to my hearts content.
Scouting seems easier as well as tiers go up and there are less light tanks around. I'm getting a crapload of exp and credits just spotting for our arty.
I think I'm going to try a Wespe now ...
Quote from: Iormlund on September 10, 2011, 06:25:17 AM
I'm finally having a lot of success with the little Panzerjäger. I used to be eaten alive by arty until I decided to stay way back, I set up shop somewhere high and snipe to my hearts content.
Scouting seems easier as well as tiers go up and there are less light tanks around. I'm getting a crapload of exp and credits just spotting for our arty.
I think I'm going to try a Wespe now ...
Relocate, for any slight chance of being spotted. If you are not sure, backpedal from your cover, wait a bit, if no incoming fire, you are safe to resume. Do not expect to be passively safe from arty - the further AT tanks have much better damage but are not so über-snipers as the Panzerjager
That was how I started hunting tanks. Problems is the Jäger is both slow and made of old cardboard boxes. With the amount of arty out there more often than not I can't escape in time.
I'll try again when I have enough dough for a Marder II.
Quote from: Iormlund on September 10, 2011, 08:58:18 AM
That was how I started hunting tanks. Problems is the Jäger is both slow and made of old cardboard boxes. With the amount of arty out there more often than not I can't escape in time.
I'll try again when I have enough dough for a Marder II.
I'm in the Marder II now, grinding for the 7.6cm gun (almost there). It's fun to grab some cover with, hang back & Snipe, but it still feels slow as shit & is made out of cardboard boxes...
:P
I'm on a Marder 2, slowly waiting to get the cash for a Hetzer. It's a great machine (and the 7,6 rocks).
I just started using the T25 US AT.
It is what the JagdPanther should have been. Good armor, excellent mobility, nice gun.
Quote from: Alexandru H. on September 10, 2011, 02:16:30 PM
I'm on a Marder 2, slowly waiting to get the cash for a Hetzer. It's a great machine (and the 7,6 rocks).
Yeah, I got the 7.6 a little after that post & have been playing with it some. Definitely more fun...
:ccr
my handle is Crazy_Ivan80 in case anyone wonders.
I'm sometimes utterly amazed at how blazingly fast Soviet TDs can go. My little Hetzer can't hope to get anywhere near that even with the best engine.
I'm on a Marder II as well now. Without the 76 mm it is basically the same as my old Jäger with much better traverse. Problem is, I'm now facing 2 or 3 KVs plus Stugs every round. Hearing 'bounce' every 2 seconds gets old fast. Especially when you are shooting from the sides or behind.
As for the Wespe, it was a bad idea. I'm by far the most incompetent artilleryman in the Third Reich. I'm getting two or three hits per map, which when facing Tigers and Stalin tanks means they still have about 75%r HP left.
Only my trusted Luchs is pulling its weight against enemies two tiers above it. Which is not that hard since it only has to hide behind bushes and run very very fast towards their arty. Sometimes it even makes it to the end of the round.
Quote from: Iormlund on September 10, 2011, 07:35:06 PM
I'm on a Marder II as well now. Without the 76 mm it is basically the same as my old Jäger with much better traverse. Problem is, I'm now facing 2 or 3 KVs plus Stugs every round. Hearing 'bounce' every 2 seconds gets old fast. Especially when you are shooting from the sides or behind.
As for the Wespe, it was a bad idea. I'm by far the most incompetent artilleryman in the Third Reich. I'm getting two or three hits per map, which when facing Tigers and Stalin tanks means they still have about a quarter HP left.
Only my trusted Luchs is pulling its weight against enemies two tiers above it. Which is not that hard since it only has to hide behind bushes and run very very fast towards their arty. Sometimes it even makes it to the end of the round.
The Marder II gets better with the 7.5 & then the 7.6 guns (you can at least penetrate medium tanks reliably), but you still inevitably get rushed by a heavy & smoked every third round or so.
How is the Luchs? I hate the Pz II with the power of a trillion suns (mostly because of the 2cm gun), but I couldn't decide whether to upgrade to the Luchs or the Pz III, which is how I ended up going the TD route...
Same thing happened to me. PzII truly sucks -> TD route. It's like shooting cotton balls.
PzII. 8 total battles. Max destroyed in 1 battle: 8 (still my record)
I now have the Stug III with it's most expensive 76(?)mm gun. On paper that is an amazing gun with decent damage and awesome penetration. The vehicle itself is much more manuverable than the Hetzer.
Yet, I am not convinced. I am not convinced the fast reload times and high penetration are compensating me for the halved damage compared to the 105mm gun. And altough I had a hellish time penetrating Stug front armor with any of my tanks, above tier enemies seem to slice through me rather easily.
I just need to adopt I guess. Either become a more sneaky short-range ambusher, or buy the camouflage net and snipe from very far.
Quote from: Berkut on September 10, 2011, 11:59:37 PM
PzII. 8 total battles. Max destroyed in 1 battle: 8 (still my record)
You are: Teh Nife Fightta...
;)
Looking at my stats I guess I wasn't
quite as bad in the Pz II as it felt like, but it was like just being horrible instead of atrocious...
:P
Quote from: Tamas on September 11, 2011, 06:00:50 AM
I now have the Stug III with it's most expensive 76(?)mm gun. On paper that is an amazing gun with decent damage and awesome penetration. The vehicle itself is much more manuverable than the Hetzer.
There is no comparison between the 75L70 and the 105mm Howitzer.
The 75 (that is the gun that armed the Panther historically, btw) lets you damage vehicles several tiers up, hits as far as anything can see, and has an excellent ROF. That gun is what makes the StugIII one of the better TDs in the game for its tier.
Quote from: C.C.R. on September 10, 2011, 07:54:33 PM
How is the Luchs? I hate the Pz II with the power of a trillion suns (mostly because of the 2cm gun), but I couldn't decide whether to upgrade to the Luchs or the Pz III, which is how I ended up going the TD route...
It is pretty much the same, except you cannot kill anything but arty, since you are facing tier 5 enemies almost every round. The good part is that forces you to scout properly. I rarely shoot anything, even if I'm in range of soft targets. Far better to remain hidden and let your own artillery bag them, which they tend to do very well. In many maps I notice arty responds almost immediately when I spot stuff and unlike me they rarely miss.
Quote from: Iormlund on September 11, 2011, 09:32:17 AM
It is pretty much the same, except you cannot kill anything but arty, since you are facing tier 5 enemies almost every round. The good part is that forces you to scout properly. I rarely shoot anything, even if I'm in range of soft targets. Far better to remain hidden and let your own artillery bag them, which they tend to do very well. In many maps I notice arty responds almost immediately when I spot stuff and unlike me they rarely miss.
The big caveats being make sure to give the arty time to set up, and if the target is hidden behind hard cover don't expect much help.
I've noticed that my battles, which were usually decided by arty and spotters when I was tier 2 facing 4s, depend now on the level of mental retardation among heavies. If your KVs decide to take a long stroll down the flanks, your base is almost assuredly overrun. On the other hand, if they spearhead the assault or a couple decide to act as reserves we tend to win the match easily.
Quote from: Tamas on September 07, 2011, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 07, 2011, 03:40:45 PM
How did you guys get the Hetzer to work? I really hated it and could never come to grips with it, and was happy to blow some of my free experience to skip ahead to StuG.
well maxed engine with 105mm gun is very ok. I am not doing anything non-TD-standard thing with it, really.
D'oh, the derp gun, of course. How could I of all people neglect that option? I'm now making up for the lost fun in StuG III, and I'm just dealing death left and right with it in matches where I'm in the top half.
If I'm top dog in a match and I hide well, I can get 4-6 kills with my Hetzer's 105. If I'm mid-range or lower, usually 1-2 kills.
I don't even bother shooting at Tigers unless I'm directly behind them and KVs just piss me the fuck off because I know I can't hurt them.
I just shoot them with my 76mm loaded with HEs, taking down a mighty 2% HP per shot. :lol:
Hopefully it annoys the Hell out of them.
If I hit and it doesn't go through, at least I throw their aim off. Unfortunately, the 105's reload speed is abysmal.
Quote from: Iormlund on September 11, 2011, 11:11:00 AM
I've noticed that my battles, which were usually decided by arty and spotters when I was tier 2 facing 4s, depend now on the level of mental retardation among heavies. If your KVs decide to take a long stroll down the flanks, your base is almost assuredly overrun. On the other hand, if they spearhead the assault or a couple decide to act as reserves we tend to win the match easily.
Killed my first KV with my Marder II today. The dumbass just kept strolling around trying to cap while I five or six-shotted him. The only thing I can figure is that he was out of ammo or something, but then you'd think that he'd at least try to ram me...
And I'm finding my Place In The Sun with the Marder II -- to the point where I bought a camo net instead of upgrading to the Hetzer. Fuck it. I'm having fun, and my Panzerjaeger crew (which I transfered to the Marder) is putting in some mega training right now. I figure I'll try to get them close to maxed out before I buy the Hetzer, and put some Seed Money away. No point in upgrading now just to have to grind it out against even worse opponents without the money to upgrade ASAFP...
And my favorite achievement so far: 10 hits out of 10 shots in one game (which got me the Sniper award). Had four kills, but three of those were Shoot & Scoot instead of my normal Find Cover On High Ground & Snipe Until I'm Kekeke Rushed. I was pleased. I fucking suck at Shoot & Scoot...
:ccr
I've bought the Hetzer. Had no money left and got stuck with the worst engine ever. Advice: if you buy it, try to research beforehand all the engine tier... It looks ok, but I have to adapt to it..
Been playing american tds on the side. Damn the first two are funny, they are quick as hell and pack big guns. If I'm top half I run around and one shot things.
I've been having fun with the T82. I've been reluctant to move up to T40, since the guns don't really get any better and I'll just get blown up by bigger enemies.
Quote from: frunk on September 13, 2011, 02:30:53 PM
I've been having fun with the T82. I've been reluctant to move up to T40, since the guns don't really get any better and I'll just get blown up by bigger enemies.
That's not entirely accurate. The Wolverine and Slugger are excellent upgrades both in guns, terms of armor and survivability. Plus, playing around in the little leagues is only so much fun, but blowing up Lowes and Tigers? Awesome.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 13, 2011, 02:38:24 PM
That's not entirely accurate. The Wolverine and Slugger are excellent upgrades both in guns, terms of armor and survivability. Plus, playing around in the little leagues is only so much fun, but blowing up Lowes and Tigers? Awesome.
I was referring specifically to the T40. It only has one gun that the T82 doesn't have, and although better it isn't a huge jump especially since I usually play the derp gun anyway. I know the Wolverine and Slugger are big improvements, but I'll still have to work through the T40.
The T40 really isn't that bad, though I recall that I didn't actually spend much time playing it. If you research everything on the T82, you shouldn't have to actually play the T40 that much before you can skip to the next tier. You'll have to adapt your play style a bit due to the larger tanks roaming around, of course, but you'll still be able to make most tanks on the field have a bad day.
Keep in mind that I play most of the time in my Arty, only jump to the TD when I get blown up early in a battle or need to get the daily double, and don't have a premium account. That means even a small amount of needed XP will take a while to get through.
And the real kicker is that the best American TD for its tier might be the T25. It is awesome.
Quote from: Alexandru H. on September 12, 2011, 07:34:58 AM
I've bought the Hetzer. Had no money left and got stuck with the worst engine ever. Advice: if you buy it, try to research beforehand all the engine tier... It looks ok, but I have to adapt to it..
Had the money for the Hetzer, so I bought the Pz III Ausf. A. Ouch. Talk about painful. Going from the 76mm gun back the the 37mm is killing me, plus after playing the PJ & the Marder for so long I have to get back used to a turret that actually rotates 360 degrees...
:P
120k/161k towards the E-50. Really having a lot of fun with the Panther 2. Once you figure out what it is good at, it is REALLY good at it.
I am a mere 5k xp away from the Jagdpanzer, this raises a couple of questions:
-how the FUCK am I supposed to farm XP efficiently. It is SLOOOOOW. Even when I don't suck
-the wiki has a pretty abysmal opinion on the Jgdpanzer. How bad is it? Should I just keep farming free xp with my Stug?
The JagdPanzer is fine. Don't worry that much about the conventional wisdom on what vehicles suck and what don't - mostly that is bitching at the margins.
Except for the M3 Lee. That really does blow serious chunks.
I haven't really seen anything that is so bad that it should stop someone from progressing rather than use it. Some vehicles certainly are not as good as others for their tier, but very few are so bad that it matters all that much.
Actually, I rather liked the stock Lee in my brief try.
Sure, it is utterly useless when you start near the bottom of the list in a match, as it lacks a turret, and lacks speed.
But, from mid-list and upwards, you deliver a decent punch with a gun you can actually aim with. Compared to the sameish gun of the T-28 it is nice.
I think that I actually hate the Pz III A more than I hated the Pz II.
Must grind through it. Must grind through it. Must grind through it...
:P
Or, maybe not -- right after that post I had three awesome games in a row, including a 5-kill...
:P
Wow. Really shouldn't be playing this after I've been drinking (today is my *ONLY* day off this week)...
:P
It really, really sucks to kill eight of the enemy team single-handed and still lose.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 15, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
It really, really sucks to kill eight of the enemy team single-handed and still lose.
:pinch:
Does anybody else have certain maps that they absolutely despise? For example, in my PzIIIA I fucking *HATE* the desert maps -- no matter which side I start on, which flank I go up or whatever I fucking do I'm just doomed by The Stars to get one-shotted by the biggest fucking BadBoy on the other team. I start on these maps & I just basically want to park my tank in some cover & go outside, smoke a cigarette & come back & see if I'm dead or not...
Quote from: Habbaku on September 15, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
It really, really sucks to kill eight of the enemy team single-handed and still lose.
Happens to me all the time. Oh, wait, you said enemy tanks, scratch that.
I utterly and completely despise Malinovka. It's gotten to where I just find a hiding spot, AFK/read for 5 minutes and then charge if I'm still alive.
So todays patch was a pretty comprehensive, albeit minor, nerf to TDs.
I was going to go after that T5 German light, but it is a lot more XP than I expected. Maybe not...
Quote from: Habbaku on September 15, 2011, 06:31:10 PM
I utterly and completely despise Malinovka. It's gotten to where I just find a hiding spot, AFK/read for 5 minutes and then charge if I'm still alive.
Malinovka I enjoy, but that could be because that's just one of the most common maps & I know where to go for what I'm driving. And I said earlier that I hate the desert maps for the PzIIIA, but I *LOVE* 'em for the Marder. The flipside to that is "Cliffs" or whatever, which I hate for the TD but love for the Light...
Oh, fuck -- starting Fisherman's Bay again right now. I've been assraped on this one like eight times already today...
The 75 L/100 on the Panther is hilariously fun. It shoots fast, is the most accurate gun I've ever had and does respectable damage to everything I can see. It is fun to be able to penetrate the frontal armor of an IS-4.
Do I go with the PzIII next or the Hetzer? Or do I retrograde to the Luchs, Bison or Wespe? Decisions, decisions. I'm leaning towards the PzIII...
I would go with the Pz III if you enjoy actual tanking instead of tank-hunting. The Pz III is one of the first "real" tanks with decent armor, decent gun and has excellent speed and maneuverability on top of it. I loved my Pz III.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 15, 2011, 08:14:28 PM
I would go with the Pz III if you enjoy actual tanking instead of tank-hunting. The Pz III is one of the first "real" tanks with decent armor, decent gun and has excellent speed and maneuverability on top of it. I loved my Pz III.
Yeah, that's what I'm going to do. I'll just keep the Marder II for now in case I get The Urge. I'll have to sell the old Panzerjaeger to make room, though...
:(
looks like they left the e-75 bug. fucking cossack cunts.
Hod damn it! The KV with the 152mm is a fun tank. If I'm top of the list I one shot almost everything and some tanks I kill with misses. If I'm bottom of the list I can at least damage top tanks severely and regularly get at least one kill. A few games ago I took about 50% of an E75 and killed it.
One cannot possibly overestimate the significance of shooting someone in the back. Doing it at close range with a 102mm KV gun against a higher tiered tank is just pure joy
Quote from: Threviel on September 16, 2011, 02:13:31 AM
Hod damn it! The KV with the 152mm is a fun tank. If I'm top of the list I one shot almost everything and some tanks I kill with misses. If I'm bottom of the list I can at least damage top tanks severely and regularly get at least one kill. A few games ago I took about 50% of an E75 and killed it.
The E-75 is bugged. It takes an inordinate amount of damage from HE shells. In fact, you should fire nothing but HE against it as things stand. In addition, hitting the mudflaps or the periscope does full damage to the tank. The E-series is fucked and they rolled out the patch without fixing it. I'm quickly getting tired of this bullshit. :rolleyes:
Quote from: DGuller on September 15, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 15, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
It really, really sucks to kill eight of the enemy team single-handed and still lose.
Happens to me all the time. Oh, wait, you said enemy tanks, scratch that.
No he didn't :P
Quote from: Slargos on September 16, 2011, 07:35:51 AM
Quote from: Threviel on September 16, 2011, 02:13:31 AM
Hod damn it! The KV with the 152mm is a fun tank. If I'm top of the list I one shot almost everything and some tanks I kill with misses. If I'm bottom of the list I can at least damage top tanks severely and regularly get at least one kill. A few games ago I took about 50% of an E75 and killed it.
The E-75 is bugged. It takes an inordinate amount of damage from HE shells. In fact, you should fire nothing but HE against it as things stand. In addition, hitting the mudflaps or the periscope does full damage to the tank. The E-series is fucked and they rolled out the patch without fixing it. I'm quickly getting tired of this bullshit. :rolleyes:
Ohhh, goodie, then I know what to shoot for.
Finally got my KV.
Now my dilemma is which gun to go with. I have no idea. There's the 1-shot-every-10-seconds derp cannon or a more reliable, fires-faster gun.
Ughhh.
Personally I found 107 mm gun more consistent in its performance compared to the derp gun. While I usually go with derp guns when there is a choice, KV's derp gun is just way too slow.
I would go with the 122mm derp, then the 152mm derp, then the 107mm long term.
But it takes a while to research the 107, IIRC.
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with the 122, then the 107.
You should play the 152 long enough to get the 107 though. Mainly because it really is damn fun, although after a while you realize that while it is great for giggles, it isn't really feasible long term.
You should have seen this Tiger driver cussing me out when I 1 shot him. Apparently I hacked the game in some fashion, and what is really imperssive is that means I havked HIS client. I am just that good.
Just bought the 152mm for my KV. My very first shot one-shot killed a hetzer which I wasnt really aiming at. He just happened to be around when I missed my target :D
That said, the reload time is totally attrocious.
Oh yeah! Fantastic light tank rush on that desert map with a village in the middle and bases in the mountains. We took half their team in the first 30 secs of fighting. Scout (10 detected), 1 arty destroyed, and another and 2 TDs severely damaged (close 75mm HEs from behind).
Quote from: Iormlund on September 16, 2011, 06:14:02 PM
Oh yeah! Fantastic light tank rush on that desert map with a village in the middle and bases in the mountains. We took half their team in the first 30 secs of fighting. Scout (10 detected), 1 arty destroyed, and another and 2 TDs severely damaged (close 75mm HEs from behind).
Love it when a zerg comes together. A properly executed rush is IMO one of the most powerful tactics in this game.
Holy fuck, I'm on a cold streak. I think I did better when I had the shitty gun on my PzIII...
:(
Quote from: C.C.R. on September 17, 2011, 05:34:15 AM
Holy fuck, I'm on a cold streak. I think I did better when I had the shitty gun on my PzIII...
:(
It happens. I had 11 consecutive defeats in my E-75. Might be because I suck but IDK. :blush:
20k more for the E-50....
You mother fuckers are outpacing me. I haven't played for weeks now. :mad:
Slargos, did you ever play the Ferd?
Quote from: Berkut on September 17, 2011, 07:48:23 AM
Slargos, did you ever play the Ferd?
Yeah. I just unlocked the JTiger though I haven't bought it yet.
I don't have as much fun in the Ferdi as in the JP, but I have a healthy 60ish victory rate though a lower avg frag. It's a fun tank to drive, and unlike the JP it can actually bounce a lot of shots, especially if properly angled or hull downed.
Finally got in the groove with the BL-9 gun on the IS-3. Stormed the hill in the Mines map with it, fired 17 shots, hit 13 times, and killed 7. None of those seven were on my team either. :yeah:
I, on the other hand, managed not to fire or receive a single shot with my brand new Hezter, while survivng the entire round in the open, just trying to (veeery slowly) get where the action was. They should give ma an achiement for that.
Having a hell of a run tonight. 8 straight victories. 3+ frags in 5 of them.
I can't figure out whether to go with the 75mm or the 5cm gun on my PzIII. They both seem so suck monkey balls...
Wow, T29 is one of those tanks that puzzles me. It feels like a scrap heap on tracks when stock, but I've already got 2 Top Guns with it only 17 games in. When it's at the top of the list, it's just a monster, even with a 90mm gun.
Meh the 152mmed KV is frustrating. Reload time is one thing, but with horrendous turret traverse time it becomes hell.
Fucking scouts. And my teammates, who usually cant realize that I cant do shit against a leopard which is circling me. It is ridicoulous sometimes. My teammates go around their merry business around me, while the scout circles me and draws in all the fuckin' arty on the map. When I am on top of the list or thereabouts, I just now ignore the little fucker, and aim to take a couple of enemies with me with one-shots before I eventually blow up.
How the FUCK do you gain XP?
I kill 3 tanks with a total of 5 shots fired (2 misses). I capture 45% of their base before they capture ours, as I was the only survivor from my team. I get 345XP. With my KV.
With my Jagdpanzer I average around 500 I think, but the next tier is 65000XP, which would mean 130 games. Fuck that!
A premium account gives a bonus of 50% credits/XP for every battle. ;)
I don't think you can get a premium account on a pirated copy of WoT. :hmm:
:lol:
veeery funny. I do have a premium account.
Quote from: Tamas on September 18, 2011, 12:15:41 PM
How the FUCK do you gain XP?
I kill 3 tanks with a total of 5 shots fired (2 misses). I capture 45% of their base before they capture ours, as I was the only survivor from my team. I get 345XP. With my KV.
With my Jagdpanzer I average around 500 I think, but the next tier is 65000XP, which would mean 130 games. Fuck that!
Quit looking at the game as a series of XP hurdles to get over. Just play the game and have fun. The goal is to go blow shit up, not get through each vehicle as fast as possible.
But goals are what makes the game addictive. Humans are driven by goals.
I'd rather just enjoy the game as Berkut says. Which is why I'm still on tier 4, I guess.
But I want to enjoy the game in my Jagdtiger! :mad:
Meh. Right now I'd settle for a T-34.
By the way isn't 5 shots fired rather low for a heavy? You should be in the thick of it for most of the round.
Quote from: Iormlund on September 18, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
Meh. Right now I'd settle for a T-34.
By the way isn't 5 shots fired rather low for a heavy? You should be in the thick of it for most of the round.
With a 30 second reload, 5 is a shitstorm of bullets.
Quote from: Slargos on September 18, 2011, 03:43:07 PM... 30 second reload ...
Jesus, is that thing muzzle loaded?
Quote from: Iormlund on September 18, 2011, 03:54:25 PM
Quote from: Slargos on September 18, 2011, 03:43:07 PM... 30 second reload ...
Jesus, is that thing muzzle loaded?
That was an initial problem with the tanks, but it was something the NKVD said was absolutely necessary to keep the crews in line. Fortunately, the second series eventually had the barrel turned towards the enemy.
Who is TheStretcher? ANyone from Languish?
Bored, guess ill try playing this again.
Looked like my beta account was deleted, any recourse on that? Am i missing any XP's or creds?
Or everyone start over with a clean slate?
Had to start all over though I think if you do something special you get something for being a beta... I forget haha
Quote from: Alcibiades on September 18, 2011, 08:39:51 PM
Bored, guess ill try playing this again.
Looked like my beta account was deleted, any recourse on that? Am i missing any XP's or creds?
Or everyone start over with a clean slate?
You definitely do not keep your beta progress.
Well I remembered that, which is why I quit playing when the beta ended. Couldn't fathom grinding back to a Jagdtiger, King Tiger, and a T32.
Quote from: Slargos on September 18, 2011, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on September 18, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
Meh. Right now I'd settle for a T-34.
By the way isn't 5 shots fired rather low for a heavy? You should be in the thick of it for most of the round.
With a 30 second reload, 5 is a shitstorm of bullets.
:yes:
I have learned that with the 152mm, you need to go close quarters, with support. Preferably on streets, but lotsa' hard cover at least, and you need to have friendlies around to occupy the enemy while your crew cast your new shell and wait while it cools down and forms or whatever.
It is NOT accurate so you need to shoot from close.
But boy oh boy: a 100% KV shot in the back from point blank because he did not see me on the streets - insta kill. An other time, I was racing (with my mighty 25km/h) down a street to circle a block, a Marder II firing potshots at me from the front (way too far to shoot back with my special gun, didn't hurt me much anyway), when somebody spotted a PzIV racing toward me from the next street left (where I was heading). So I stopped near the corner, waited a bit, the Panzer charged out and BOOM got my 152mm HE to it's side, ending his game.
GLORIOUS
I will actually soon unlock the 107mm for the KV, but I am having a hard time convincing myself to switch, this Trollcannon is just too awesome
I had fun playing with the howitzer, but it wasn't really as effective.
Howitzer is fun if the situation is just right, but how often is the situation just right for it? The 107mm gun will be combat-effective much more consistently.
Quote from: DGuller on September 19, 2011, 08:31:36 AM
Howitzer is fun if the situation is just right, but how often is the situation just right for it? The 107mm gun will be combat-effective much more consistently.
But can I damage higher tiered tanks with a reasonable chance? Because I ding like 20% off them with the Trollcannon
The 107mm is a Tier 7 gun, and performs like a Tier 7 gun.
167 pen, 300 damage. That is better pen than the Tier 6 US TD carries.
:hmm: ok thanks, I will certainly give it a try.
Tamas, it is pretty much like I said upthread - the 107mm doesn't have nearly the giggle factor of the 152mm, but is overall a vastly more capable weapon.
WHen you get a top tier match with an upgraded KV with the 107mm, you should expect at least close to a Top Gun. You will be 1 shotting shit left and right.Of course, you would be 1 shotting that same shit with the 152, except you could only do it up close and once every 30 seconds, instead of at any range and every 7 seconds.
Is auto-aim worth using?
Quote from: Kleves on September 19, 2011, 10:59:08 AM
Is auto-aim worth using?
Sometimes. If you're looking to shoot a tank that's target practice for you, it's not moving, and want to do it ASAP, auto-aim is fine. In most other circumstances, though, manual aim will work better.
AUto aim is also very useful when you are in a moving dogfight, and staying moving is more critical than hitting.
Quote from: Berkut on September 19, 2011, 12:43:29 PM
AUto aim is also very useful when you are in a moving dogfight, and staying moving is more critical than hitting.
QFT -- especially when you are in a light/scout tank....hitting a target is the least of your concerns, so auto-aim works good to give you the occasional giggle hit...
Unfortunately, when you're moving, the enemy does too. That means that auto-aim will reliably hit the place your enemy was in a second ago.
Quote from: DGuller on September 19, 2011, 01:08:36 PM
Unfortunately, when you're moving, the enemy does too. That means that auto-aim will reliably hit the place your enemy was in a second ago.
A dogfight, by definition, is at short range. I get plenty of hits using auto-aim in turning fights where you are trying to stay ahead of someones turret.
And I have been in plenty of fights where I am moving and my target is not, for that matter. Like when I am in a light taking on a heavy or TD as I go by and he is shooting at someone else.
Quote from: DGuller on September 19, 2011, 01:08:36 PM
Unfortunately, when you're moving, the enemy does too.
:hmm:
By simple logics, DGuller's statement is unassailable.
I'm sorry, Berkut, but you've been lawyered.
It hurts my brain so much to get Top Gun and still lose. :bleeding:
I'm getting extremely annoyed with getting my tracks damaged on the first hit that I take...
<_<
Quote from: Slargos on September 19, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
It hurts my brain so much to get Top Gun and still lose. :bleeding:
:console: Had it happen to me twice in the last few days. Once (as mentioned before) when I destroyed 8 of them virtually unassisted. Why must my team suck so?
SO the E-50 is, of course, awesome.
However, with only the first engine upgrade, it really isn't a medium tank. It has a decent top end in the 40s, but it takes a very long time to get there and does not maneuver real well. It is pretty much a heavy tank.
Couldn't take grinding the PzIII anymore, so I bought a Hetzer. Good times, man. Good times. I am waaaaaaaaaaay better at driving a TD than a regular tank...
:ccr
Quote from: C.C.R. on September 20, 2011, 02:27:58 PM
Couldn't take grinding the PzIII anymore, so I bought a Hetzer. Good times, man. Good times. I am waaaaaaaaaaay better at driving a TD than a regular tank...
:ccr
:cheers:
Hetzers gonna' hetz!
I must be the only person who played WoT and hated Hetzer. I still don't know why I ignored the derp gun on it.
I didn't care for the Hetzer. I liked the StugIII a lot more.
I am not really a fan of derp guns though, so maybe that is why.
Now I love Hetzers. They blow up so nicely when you shoot them.
I enjoy encountering Hetzers. Their stupid derp gun bounces shots off of me while my 75 L/100 takes off 51% of their HPs every shot.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 20, 2011, 02:55:13 PM
I enjoy encountering Hetzers. Their stupid derp gun bounces shots off of me while my 75 L/100 takes off 51% of their HPs every shot.
Congrats on taking out noobs two tiers below you, you rock!
The Hetzer is excellent for it's tier. The StugIII is also great, but for ambushes, you miss the big gun for it sometimes.
Quote from: Tamas on September 20, 2011, 02:57:48 PM
Congrats on taking out noobs two tiers below you, you rock!
Congrats on missing the point!
Quote from: Berkut on September 20, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
I didn't care for the Hetzer. I liked the StugIII a lot more.
Some day I hope to agree with you. But for now, a Hetzer is what I have...
Quote from: Habbaku on September 20, 2011, 02:58:43 PM
Quote from: Tamas on September 20, 2011, 02:57:48 PM
Congrats on taking out noobs two tiers below you, you rock!
Congrats on missing the point!
I didn't! Anybody who tries to penetrate the front of a two tier higher tank with the 105mm hetzer gun doesn't know what he is driving, ie. a noob.
Quote from: Berkut on September 20, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
I didn't care for the Hetzer. I liked the StugIII a lot more.
I am not really a fan of derp guns though, so maybe that is why.
Now I love Hetzers. They blow up so nicely when you shoot them.
Speaking of that, funny how perceptions of tanks change as you move up. When I was fighting in tier 4 tanks, seeing KVs and VK3601s was terrorizing. Now I see them in IS-3 and smile. The only uncertainty is whether there would be single penetration or double penetration when I throw the hot knife into those blocks of butter.
Quote from: DGuller on September 20, 2011, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 20, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
I didn't care for the Hetzer. I liked the StugIII a lot more.
I am not really a fan of derp guns though, so maybe that is why.
Now I love Hetzers. They blow up so nicely when you shoot them.
Speaking of that, funny how perceptions of tanks change as you move up. When I was fighting in tier 4 tanks, seeing KVs and VK3601s was terrorizing. Now I see them in IS-3 and smile. The only uncertainty is whether there would be single penetration or double penetration when I throw the hot knife into those blocks of butter.
Tis true.
The one exception is the Lowe. I still think Lowe drivers are low brow, cheating bastards.
Is there any consensus on what the greatest credit machine is? All of my tier 5s and 6s seem especially profitable, but my tier 7 produces plenty when I do even moderately well.
My M41 artillery was by far by best cred farming machine.
I've heard that the PzIV, M4, and KV are all great credit farmers as well.
Quote from: Berkut on September 20, 2011, 03:45:53 PM
My M41 artillery was by far by best cred farming machine.
Yeah, I've noticed my artillery, weak as it is, turns a very good profit. I don't enjoy playing it near as much as my Panther, though.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 20, 2011, 03:52:36 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 20, 2011, 03:45:53 PM
My M41 artillery was by far by best cred farming machine.
Yeah, I've noticed my artillery, weak as it is, turns a very good profit. I don't enjoy playing it near as much as my Panther, though.
I actively miss the Panther. I've heard that you can farm creds quite well with an elite Panther though, as long as you are smart about it.
And you'll find, I expect, that arty gets a lot more fun when you move up to the 750ish damage/shot guns. You go from being a nuisance to having at least the potential for being decisive. I actually quit playing artilery and sold my Priest because I was so bored by it.
Easy 8 is still plenty profitable. Basically, it seems like every American or Russian tank firing inexpensive ammo is going to be highly profitable.
Right now I am going with American tanks, German TDs, and Russian SPGs. Is that a particularly stupid set-up or anything?
Quote from: Kleves on September 20, 2011, 05:45:00 PM
Right now I am going with American tanks, German TDs, and Russian SPGs. Is that a particularly stupid set-up or anything?
I wouldn't say it is particularly stupid, no.
Habbaku just killed me. Asshole...
:P
:lol: Who were you? I just got a nice Top Gun match with my T1. Were you that poor T-34 that I popped as he came up the hill?
Quote from: Habbaku on September 20, 2011, 05:58:53 PM
:lol: Who were you? I just got a nice Top Gun match with my T1. Were you that poor T-34 that I popped as he came up the hill?
No, I was Doghouse_Riley -- the Hetzer you rammed while my shots bounced off of you like Shaq shooting free throws...
:P
:D You dinged one of my tracks with your opening shot, but I just set auto-aim and cruise control and clicked while heading your way. With my frontal armor pointed at you, you didn't stand much a chance.
Pfft, I killed Berkut twice in one day. That was the last time we played in a platoon. :(
Quote from: DGuller on September 20, 2011, 06:07:27 PM
Pfft, I killed Berkut twice in one day. That was the last time we played in a platoon. :(
Guess he didn't like playing with a commissar?
Quote from: DGuller on September 20, 2011, 06:07:27 PM
Pfft, I killed Berkut twice in one day. That was the last time we played in a platoon. :(
:lol:
Were you in the NKVD in a past life?
:lol: I just got killed by "HarpersCanada".
I found a fully upgraded 3601 to be amazing back in beta for farming credits. More than amazing actually. A KT could be a rape machine too if it didn't die, that was expensive if it did, though.
Quote from: Kleves on September 20, 2011, 05:45:00 PM
Right now I am going with American tanks, German TDs, and Russian SPGs. Is that a particularly stupid set-up or anything?
Not stupid, but certainly wasteful. A lot of equipment is used in different lines and research is thus speeded up. I got the 50k xp engine for the E-75 yesterday, and once I get the E-50 I can use it there aswell.
I kinda' stopped worrying about credits now that I am in tiers 5 and above. I'll be switching to the KV-3 tonight and it wasn't hard at all to get the million creds with the KV and the Jagdpanzer while I was getting the necessary XP.
BTW, the KV is great for XP, too bad it has that 100k+ SPG unlock, otherwise I would elite it for sure.
The 107mm gun is indeed great, except that when you are at the lower end, you are utterly useless with it when heavys come against you.
So I ended up refitting the Trollcannon when platooning with my friends. It is an amazing XP machine when you are the low tier - deal awesome damage, none of it going to waste on big heavies.
For "soloing" I'll go with the 107mm
Quote from: Tamas on September 21, 2011, 01:41:44 AM
I kinda' stopped worrying about credits now that I am in tiers 5 and above. I'll be switching to the KV-3 tonight and it wasn't hard at all to get the million creds with the KV and the Jagdpanzer while I was getting the necessary XP.
:lol: You'll start worrying again soon enough.
Uggh, I am having a terrible run on my E-50. Seems like I am getting blown away in the first 90 seconds of every match.
The 88L100 gun just looks a bit ridiculous.
So what are HEAT shells for (besides chewing up wimpy tanks)? For taking out tracks, ammo racks, etc.?
Quote from: Kleves on September 21, 2011, 07:14:16 PM
So what are HEAT shells for (besides chewing up wimpy tanks)? For taking out tracks, ammo racks, etc.?
Are you talking about HE shells? There is a huge difference between HEAT and HE.
I must be thinking HE, then.
DG, did you ever get over your fear of voice chat?
HE has a couple of uses. First, if you can penetrate a tank with a good HE shell, that tank is most likely history. The high explosive round will explode inside the tank, and deal all kinds of damage and criticals. HE also doesn't lose penetration with distance, unlike AP. Finally, HE can damage tanks of a higher tier, when AP round would most likely just bounce off.
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 07:50:58 PM
DG, did you ever get over your fear of voice chat?
No. :ph34r:
Sound like Boris from Rocky and Bullwinkle?
Probably, but it's more like phone conversations and everything resembling such is an extreme discomfort zone for me. I can't think and talk on the phone at the same time.
You'd make a horrible tanker.
I grow really, really weary of getting a track blown off by the first shot of the game...
:lol:
Me and Habs have been playing in a platoon with voice chat. The difference is incredible, IMO. It is so much more fun trying to coordinate.
Platoons without voice chat is like kissing your sister.
Or to put it in terms DG would understand, like handling someone balls who is NOT the President...
I think that my loader is fucking retarded & thinks that the "DING!" of shells bouncing off of my armor means that the fries are done or some fucking thing & he sticks his head out, because the guy seems to get hit or die every other game...
:P
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See, that just looks silly.
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Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2011, 08:37:27 PM
Me and Habs have been playing in a platoon with voice chat. The difference is incredible, IMO. It is so much more fun trying to coordinate.
Platoons without voice chat is like kissing your sister.
Or to put it in terms DG would understand, like handling someone balls who is NOT the President...
I don't disagree, voice chat in cooperative shooting games is vital. Maybe one of those days I will get a mic. :ph34r:
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See, that just looks silly.
:lol: What the hell is going on here? It's like the Dirty Harry (or maybe the Dirk Diggler?) of World of Tanks.
I just lost another match in my E-75.
Did everything right. Damaged a bunch of tanks, knocked 3 out including an IS-4.
Watch my teammates chase down the last VK45A en masse.
And their 3 SPGs do a ninja cap of our flag while everyone just watches, dumbfounded.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
I'm playing as my KV and match after match after match, I get put up against people 3 tiers higher than me. Sometimes 4. Whyyyyyyyyyy?
Quote from: JonasSalk on September 23, 2011, 11:21:23 AM
I'm playing as my KV and match after match after match, I get put up against people 3 tiers higher than me. Sometimes 4. Whyyyyyyyyyy?
Use the Trollcannon. I loved my Trollcannon :wub:
Quote from: JonasSalk on September 23, 2011, 11:21:23 AM
I'm playing as my KV and match after match after match, I get put up against people 3 tiers higher than me. Sometimes 4. Whyyyyyyyyyy?
We IS-3 people need something to shoot at. :contract:
Market Garden special.
M4, M4A3E8, PzIV, Tiger I half price, and double credits earned.
Equipment half price as well, good time to pick up.
They also have premium "on sale". Basically the price for a single day of premium is reduced to the montly rate. A good time to give it a try if you are so inclined.
Most dominating match with only two kills ever:
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Did the bit where you run in underneath the bridge on that map with the bridge. The other team pushed hard down that winter pass, and I just freaking pounded them from the flank. Didn't get many kills, but had a huge amount of damage. Eventually they sent a Tiger in under the bridge to get me, but really, attacking a E8 with a Tiger when the E8 has room to move? Yeah, that isn't going to work.
I eveutally got destroyed when I chased the wounded KV right into the SU-100 that was waiting for me, but that was an awesome match. At one point I literally had 5 targets, all with their sides facing me, and I was just pressing the button as fast as I could hammering rounds into them as fast as the M1A2 gun could fire them...which is about 21 rounds/minute.
I really hope I didn't get a vertical stabilizer for the Easy Eight. That would suck if I spent $300,000 or $250,000 more than I could've for it.
I did not. :yeah: First battle with my shiny new stabilizer in Easy Eight, and 3 kills. Of course, my retarded team still managed to lose. :mad:
I picked up the +25% viewfinder while it was on sale. I have no fucking idea if it's helping or not, but it was on sale...
:P
Taking a break from the Hetzer & flying the PzIII again. I'm going to try & finish it so that I can get a PzIII/IV -- they look fun to me right now, but I'll probably be bitching about it by Sunday...
:ccr
I love it when I start near the bottom, in a tin can with a gun to boot, and slay a couple of giants. :yeah:
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Quote from: Tamas on September 23, 2011, 11:30:24 AMUse the Trollcannon. I loved my Trollcannon :wub:
I have the 122mm right now. It's...okay. If I hit from up close, it can really hurt, but otherwise I'm boned. With my speed, getting up close to someone is almost impossible.
Quote from: JonasSalk on September 23, 2011, 09:29:48 PM
Quote from: Tamas on September 23, 2011, 11:30:24 AMUse the Trollcannon. I loved my Trollcannon :wub:
I have the 122mm right now. It's...okay. If I hit from up close, it can really hurt, but otherwise I'm boned. With my speed, getting up close to someone is almost impossible.
As Berkut outlined previously, the 107mm is the ideal for the KV. If you are in top third of your team, you are freakin' monster with it. But it is utterly useless when you are on the bottom third or so. But with the 152mm, you can damage ANYTHING. The thing is to stick to one of the top heavies of your team. When you come up against opposition, often they will not focus on you. That's when you aim and shoot down 20-30% of them AT LEAST.
Market-Garden weekend means I've been doing nothing but playing my Panther and racking up 75k credits a match.
I got a sniper achievement. :yeah: Not in this game, though.
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Quote from: Berkut on September 23, 2011, 12:16:35 PM
Market Garden special.
M4, M4A3E8, PzIV, Tiger I half price, and double credits earned.
Equipment half price as well, good time to pick up.
Bah. Both Panzer IV and Tiger are ages away. My current garage contains an A-20, a Hezter and a T-46.
The 122mm gun on the KV3 is utterly useless! :ultra: I am shooting misses from two meters just wtf.
The alternatives are: weak 107mm, or weaker idiot gun.
I bought the 105 mm howitzer for my Hezter. Now I can't hit anything. My performance in the last 3 matches has gone down the drain. :(
Quote from: Iormlund on September 25, 2011, 11:30:03 AM
I bought the 105 mm howitzer for my Hezter. Now I can't hit anything. My performance in the last 3 matches has gone down the drain. :(
Really? I have the megacannon and I tend to do fairly well on a lot of matches with it, since it one-shots a lot of tanks.
Or...I did until I upgraded to the Stug III.
It's not the damage that's the problem. It's that it doesn't actually hit anything. Just ended a Mines with 0 out of 5 hits. And those were completely rested shots against stationary targets.
The only time I hit is point blank but at that close range I'm toast against anything with a turret.
I finally managed to get a good round with the howitzer. I was playing in that snow map and there were more Tigers around than at any one time in the entire Eastern front. But for some odd reason, none would shoot at me. I guess they assumed all my shots would bounce so they kept focused on our heavies while I just stood there scratching my head as I took 20% off of them with every shot.
MAN I just had a good game in the E-75.
Managed to hold off 3 KTs, a Patton and a T-54 more or less on my own after they wasted my E-75 mate who joined me down the same lane in the map with the village on the east side and a lake in the middle.
I angled perfectly and they kept bouncing shot after shot. 17 hits in all.
I'm getting better in my heavy game, although frankly it's still atrocious ever since I started playing the top heavies. My A-game is really on the sidelines in TDs or smaller heavies.
For giggles I bought a Wespe. First game was, of course, in Himmelsdorf...
:P
Anybody interested in forming a Languish team for this? I could certainly show up in a Bison.
http://game.worldoftanks.com/news/notifications/ign-prime-world-tanks-tournament-sign-ups-open-all
Of course right now it looks like the signup page generates an error, but maybe that's just me.
I've gone up a step now, no more scouting.
Got a T-28 (aiming for the KV), a T-34 (same gun - the awesome long 57mm), a PzIII (which lacks a decent gun) and a StugIII (so far with the short 75mm).
Quote from: frunk on September 30, 2011, 08:36:10 AM
Anybody interested in forming a Languish team for this? I could certainly show up in a Bison.
http://game.worldoftanks.com/news/notifications/ign-prime-world-tanks-tournament-sign-ups-open-all
Of course right now it looks like the signup page generates an error, but maybe that's just me.
I would love to do not know how much help I could be though
Quote from: frunk on September 30, 2011, 08:36:10 AM
Anybody interested in forming a Languish team for this? I could certainly show up in a Bison.
http://game.worldoftanks.com/news/notifications/ign-prime-world-tanks-tournament-sign-ups-open-all
Of course right now it looks like the signup page generates an error, but maybe that's just me.
Thanks for the link, Frunk. Free 750 gold, free premium Stuart, free 7 days of premium? Ker-ching!
Quote from: frunk on September 30, 2011, 08:36:10 AM
Anybody interested in forming a Languish team for this? I could certainly show up in a Bison.
http://game.worldoftanks.com/news/notifications/ign-prime-world-tanks-tournament-sign-ups-open-all
Of course right now it looks like the signup page generates an error, but maybe that's just me.
I would be up for that. I place my Stuart, my Marder II, and my SU-26 at Languish's disposal. :P
So, for giggles I got a Pz 35, thinking that maybe I'll work laterally in the tech tree. Or something. It sounded like a good idea at the time. It's even more fun now, running amok feasting on
Tier 1's - not that my Tier 2 is that much better, but just because sooooo many of them are clueless FNG's. Makes me feel better about myself...
:P
Too bad that tournament thingie appears to be US only.
I pwn in my JagdPanther with the 105mm gun. Which is great (very decent damage, good penetration, good accuracy), except that it costs a fortune. With 1k+ credits per shell, the days of hoarding credits are over.
The matchmaker in this game is really, really broken.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 01, 2011, 12:47:10 PM
The matchmaker in this game is really, really broken.
That's what Germans said when they ran into Kolobanov's KVs.
It's also what every whiner bleats about. It's right up there with "my team sucks" and "we would win if not for X."
The KV is not much of a problem. Heavies in such tiers are usually outnumbered by TDs anyway.
Facing scores of tier 7 or 8 heavies and the like on my StugIII or T34 in every other match, OTOH, is frankly getting ridiculous. I just don't get the point of playing those games.
Just got my first Top Gun. 7 kills with my SU-26. :cool:
KV vs. E-75. This happened twice to me last night.
You decide who won.
Quote from: JonasSalk on October 01, 2011, 06:55:01 PM
KV vs. E-75. This happened twice to me last night.
You decide who won.
KV won both times? :console:
I can relate. Finally bought KV, crossed bridge on Mountain Pass, stumbled onto an IS-4. I had burnt free exp to get to the mini trollcannon, so I did mange to ruin his paintjob.
I actually think the matchmaker does a pretty impressive job for the most part.
While any particular individual may end up in a crappy match, the matches themselves are generally well balanced, and more importantly, quickly started.
There needs to be some sort of three-tier limit, meaning nobody more than three (preferably two) tiers higher than them in the match.
That way my KV wouldn't go up against goddamn E-75s and would instead be casually destroyed by ISes and T-32s, instead.
Quote from: Berkut on October 01, 2011, 07:44:08 PM
I actually think the matchmaker does a pretty impressive job for the most part.
While any particular individual may end up in a crappy match, the matches themselves are generally well balanced, and more importantly, quickly started.
I generally agree but as Habbaku Jr. said, the tier limits are off, especially for heavies who seem to have it the worse.
Which is bad. Sure, a heavy is superior in armor, and often in damage, to the same tiered mediums, but it is also much slower and quite impossible to hide away in general. So they shouldn't get a special (bad) treat.
Quote from: Berkut on October 01, 2011, 07:44:08 PM
I actually think the matchmaker does a pretty impressive job for the most part.
While any particular individual may end up in a crappy match, the matches themselves are generally well balanced, and more importantly, quickly started.
It's not too bad, except that certain categories should be narrowed. In particular I think the Tier 5 and 6 Heavies (and to a lesser extant Tier 7) get pulled up into matches they have no business being in. Looking at the Matchmaking Chart (http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/10168-match-making-system/page__pid__553302#entry553302) the Heavies should have the same spread as the TDs of the same Tier, 4 Battle Tiers wide.
Some SPGs with lighter shells have a similar problem, but the ones with heavier shot can manage in the upper Battle Tiers so it's a tougher split. With the Heavies even the ones with the guns to cope with the bigger opposition will get blown away as soon as they are spotted, and they don't have the maneuverability of the Meds or Lights.
Quote from: Berkut on October 01, 2011, 07:44:08 PM
I actually think the matchmaker does a pretty impressive job for the most part.
While any particular individual may end up in a crappy match, the matches themselves are generally well balanced, and more importantly, quickly started.
Look at the matchmaking chart. As a medium or TD 25% of the times you play will be pure ownage as you outrank almost anything on the battlefield. Not exactly a challenge. Another 25% will see you pitted against enemies two tiers over yours and the other 25% they will be 3 tiers over yours.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 07:39:11 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 01, 2011, 07:44:08 PM
I actually think the matchmaker does a pretty impressive job for the most part.
While any particular individual may end up in a crappy match, the matches themselves are generally well balanced, and more importantly, quickly started.
Look at the matchmaking chart. As a medium or TD 25% of the times you play will be pure ownage as you outrank almost anything on the battlefield. Not exactly a challenge. Another 25% will see you pitted against enemies two tiers over yours and the other 25% you it will be 3 tiers over yours.
Not exactly true. While a tier 7 medium can kill a tier 7 heavy, it is certainly typically an uneven match unless the medium is able to catch the heavy without support and has itself a few smaller supporting tanks.
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 07:41:00 AM
Not exactly true. While a tier 7 medium can kill a tier 7 heavy, it is certainly typically an uneven match unless the medium is able to catch the heavy without support and has itself a few smaller supporting tanks.
I've only gotten as far as tier 5 meds and TDs (my KV has less than half a dozen battles) so admittedly I only know tier 7s as enemies.
However at least in my tiers a medium that is not heavily outranked in the field has alternatives against a similarly tiered heavy. When I face a KV with a T-28 I'll hang back and snipe him, blowing his tracks. In a T-34 I'll get in a flanking position or wreak havoc elsewhere. When I'm on a PzIII I can run circles around him or simply spearhead an attack on another route, obliterate his arty friends and cap before he can do anything.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 08:04:42 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 07:41:00 AM
Not exactly true. While a tier 7 medium can kill a tier 7 heavy, it is certainly typically an uneven match unless the medium is able to catch the heavy without support and has itself a few smaller supporting tanks.
I've only gotten as far as tier 5 meds and TDs (my KV has less than half a dozen battles) so admittedly I only know tier 7s as enemies.
However at least in my tiers a medium that is not heavily outranked in the field has alternatives against a similarly tiered heavy. When I face a KV with a T-28 I'll hang back and snipe him, blowing his tracks. In a T-34 I'll get in a flanking position or wreak havoc elsewhere. When I'm on a PzIII I can run circles around him or simply spearhead an attack on another route, obliterate his arty friends and cap before he can do anything.
Frankly, the only KV that will let you do that is stock, unlucky, or simply clueless. Snipe him with a T-28? Nigger please. :rolleyes:
The Soviet long 57mm has much, much better accuracy than the KVs trollcannon. Get behind and obstacle or a slope and the chances of him hitting you at long ranges are not that good.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 08:20:14 AM
The Soviet long 57mm has much, much better accuracy than the KVs trollcannon. Get behind and obstacle or a slope and the chances of him hitting you at long ranges are not that good.
Then tell me. Have you ever successfully soloed a KV in a T-34?
Nevermind. You're expecting to be able to hit a KV with the derpgun in the open where you can take shots at him at your leisure. You've already answered my question. If you're going to expect to face complete fucking retards, you can take an IS-3 with a T-34 aswell. Just pop him enough times in the ass.
I don't get your position then. Are you arguing meds should be able to take heavies from the front in city combat?
My gripes with the matchmaker are not that I can't face anything head on. That's where tactics come in. They are that I'm simply irrelevant to the outcome of the match half the time.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 07:39:11 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 01, 2011, 07:44:08 PM
I actually think the matchmaker does a pretty impressive job for the most part.
While any particular individual may end up in a crappy match, the matches themselves are generally well balanced, and more importantly, quickly started.
Look at the matchmaking chart. As a medium or TD 25% of the times you play will be pure ownage as you outrank almost anything on the battlefield. Not exactly a challenge. Another 25% will see you pitted against enemies two tiers over yours and the other 25% they will be 3 tiers over yours.
See, that is just plain BS. If you are in a higher tier match, so are others. Go find them and fight them. Avoid the guys who are higher.
Sure, that is often hard to do...so what? That is part of being good at the game is knowing how to play when you are high tier and low. I think it makes the overall game much better because it forces people to change things up.
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 08:20:14 AM
The Soviet long 57mm has much, much better accuracy than the KVs trollcannon. Get behind and obstacle or a slope and the chances of him hitting you at long ranges are not that good.
Then tell me. Have you ever successfully soloed a KV in a T-34?
I have. The KV is an easy solo for a medium. It is funny watching that turret try to get around on you while you run around in circles.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 08:45:58 AM
I don't get your position then. Are you arguing meds should be able to take heavies from the front in city combat?
My gripes with the matchmaker are not that I can't face anything head on. That's where tactics come in. They are that I'm simply irrelevant to the outcome of the match half the time.
You are doing something wrong if you are irrelevant in half your fights.
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2011, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 08:20:14 AM
The Soviet long 57mm has much, much better accuracy than the KVs trollcannon. Get behind and obstacle or a slope and the chances of him hitting you at long ranges are not that good.
Then tell me. Have you ever successfully soloed a KV in a T-34?
I have. The KV is an easy solo for a medium. It is funny watching that turret try to get around on you while you run around in circles.
If you can circle him long enough to kill him with that peashooter, you're either extremely good or he's a fucking moron.
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2011, 08:50:46 AM
See, that is just plain BS. If you are in a higher tier match, so are others. Go find them and fight them. Avoid the guys who are higher.
Sure, that is often hard to do...so what? That is part of being good at the game is knowing how to play when you are high tier and low. I think it makes the overall game much better because it forces people to change things up.
Those others are just as irrelevant as I am to the result of the match. As to avoid high tier guys, it has to be a joke. They've got better equipment, better view range, better radios and better crews than I have. If I see them before insta-dying is because they've fucked up badly.
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 09:00:58 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2011, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 08:20:14 AM
The Soviet long 57mm has much, much better accuracy than the KVs trollcannon. Get behind and obstacle or a slope and the chances of him hitting you at long ranges are not that good.
Then tell me. Have you ever successfully soloed a KV in a T-34?
I have. The KV is an easy solo for a medium. It is funny watching that turret try to get around on you while you run around in circles.
If you can circle him long enough to kill him with that peashooter, you're either extremely good or he's a fucking moron.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, a KV should never ever let a medium close, but sometimes it happens. Like your teammates leave you alone and you are zerged. Or you miss that single shot you sometimes have before a medium closes in on you.
Now, if the opposing player knows how to medium-pwn a KV (which Berkut knows, and you don't) he will stick as close to the KV as possible and circle him endlessly. Especially with the KV2 turret, the biggie has NO CHANCE to get a shot unless the medium makes a mistake or does an incredibly predictable route with no regards of where the KV turret is turning.
Ramming with the KV is of course an option but it is so slow that's hardly an option.
So, once the distance is closed and the KV is alone, the match-up is for the medium to lose.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2011, 08:50:46 AM
See, that is just plain BS. If you are in a higher tier match, so are others. Go find them and fight them. Avoid the guys who are higher.
Sure, that is often hard to do...so what? That is part of being good at the game is knowing how to play when you are high tier and low. I think it makes the overall game much better because it forces people to change things up.
Those others are just as irrelevant as I am to the result of the match. As to avoid high tier guys, it has to be a joke. They've got better equipment, better view range, better radios and better crews than I have. If I see them before insta-dying is because they've fucked up badly.
I think the best you can do is sticking with the primes of your team and supporting them. That few percents you can ding off may mean life or death for them, and as such, victory or defeat for your team. If you were active and you won the match, you will get decent XP, even if you were not much of an individual contributor.
Quote from: Tamas on October 02, 2011, 09:49:47 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 09:00:58 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2011, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 08:20:14 AM
The Soviet long 57mm has much, much better accuracy than the KVs trollcannon. Get behind and obstacle or a slope and the chances of him hitting you at long ranges are not that good.
Then tell me. Have you ever successfully soloed a KV in a T-34?
I have. The KV is an easy solo for a medium. It is funny watching that turret try to get around on you while you run around in circles.
If you can circle him long enough to kill him with that peashooter, you're either extremely good or he's a fucking moron.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, a KV should never ever let a medium close, but sometimes it happens. Like your teammates leave you alone and you are zerged. Or you miss that single shot you sometimes have before a medium closes in on you.
Now, if the opposing player knows how to medium-pwn a KV (which Berkut knows, and you don't) he will stick as close to the KV as possible and circle him endlessly. Especially with the KV2 turret, the biggie has NO CHANCE to get a shot unless the medium makes a mistake or does an incredibly predictable route with no regards of where the KV turret is turning.
Ramming with the KV is of course an option but it is so slow that's hardly an option.
So, once the distance is closed and the KV is alone, the match-up is for the medium to lose.
:lmfao: :hug:
Quote from: Tamas on October 02, 2011, 09:51:37 AM
I think the best you can do is sticking with the primes of your team and supporting them. That few percents you can ding off may mean life or death for them, and as such, victory or defeat for your team. If you were active and you won the match, you will get decent XP, even if you were not much of an individual contributor.
That's what I do. It's still terribly frustrating. That is, when I actually have a gun that can penetrate them like the long 57mm or the L70 -- or a howitzer -- and nobody happens to sneeze my way.
Damn. Trollcannon rounds are not cheap.
I have been circle-murdered once by a T-34 in the KV. It was in one of those open maps where I found myself without cover and without the ability to outmaneuver him.
Why'd I get killed?
Because he had 4-5 buddies pelting me while he was strafing me. The T-34 didn't kill me, the StugIII out of sight did.
I still maintain that you'd have to be unlucky or worthless to allow a single T-34 without backup kill you in a KV.
Zerg by 2-4 T-34s? Perhaps. One? Not a chance.
You're wrong. The T-34 can penetrate the KV point blank with ease. Hell PzIII and T-28 can. And they are faster, too.
As long as you don't have backup or a wall nearby you're toast.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 12:40:06 PM
You're wrong. The T-34 can penetrate the KV point blank with ease. Hell PzIII and T-28 can. And they are faster, too.
As long as you don't have backup or a wall nearby you're toast.
Yes, but it takes what.. 8-10 shots to kill it? Like I said, unlucky or rather careless enough to be caught in the open without a wall to keep the T-34 from circling and sure the T-34 can theoretically win. I've never had that happen in the KV because I am not a blithering idiot.
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 09:00:58 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2011, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 08:20:14 AM
The Soviet long 57mm has much, much better accuracy than the KVs trollcannon. Get behind and obstacle or a slope and the chances of him hitting you at long ranges are not that good.
Then tell me. Have you ever successfully soloed a KV in a T-34?
I have. The KV is an easy solo for a medium. It is funny watching that turret try to get around on you while you run around in circles.
If you can circle him long enough to kill him with that peashooter, you're either extremely good or he's a fucking moron.
A KV has 600 HP. It doesn't take that long.
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 01:21:14 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 12:40:06 PM
You're wrong. The T-34 can penetrate the KV point blank with ease. Hell PzIII and T-28 can. And they are faster, too.
As long as you don't have backup or a wall nearby you're toast.
Yes, but it takes what.. 8-10 shots to kill it? Like I said, unlucky or rather careless enough to be caught in the open without a wall to keep the T-34 from circling and sure the T-34 can theoretically win. I've never had that happen in the KV because I am not a blithering idiot.
Meh, 8-10 shots? I dunno how many it takes, but certainly not that many.
Pretty easy to track the KV as well.
The T-34 with the 57mm is a great little vehicle.
The T-34/85 eats KVs for lunch.
edit: 57mm averages about 85 damage. KV has 660 HPs. So that means it needs ~8 penetrating shots to kill, and it fires 28 rounds/minute or so. So you are looking at a reasonable case of a T-34 killing a KV in less than 20 seconds.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 10:09:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 02, 2011, 09:51:37 AM
I think the best you can do is sticking with the primes of your team and supporting them. That few percents you can ding off may mean life or death for them, and as such, victory or defeat for your team. If you were active and you won the match, you will get decent XP, even if you were not much of an individual contributor.
That's what I do. It's still terribly frustrating. That is, when I actually have a gun that can penetrate them like the long 57mm or the L70 -- or a howitzer -- and nobody happens to sneeze my way.
Well, it certainly can be frustrating. But matches are fast enough that it is easy to just shrug it off and go onto the next match.
I would hate to see the matchmaker take 90 seconds to try to come up with "optimal matches". I think the variablity is fun.
And hell, even when you get a "good" matchup, where you are top tier, you know what happens anyway? At least, what happens to me?
My IS-3 blunders into both of their KV-5s and I die in the first 40 seconds anyway.
When I am top tier, I play it safe and get Top Gun. :smarty:
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2011, 06:15:11 PM
I would hate to see the matchmaker take 90 seconds to try to come up with "optimal matches".
I doubt it needs to, at least in peak hours. There were something like 10k players online when I looked a couple days ago. And you could easily make it to "jump" tiers if necessary after a few seconds. You could even set that time as an option configurable by each player -- or even tank.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2011, 06:15:11 PM
I would hate to see the matchmaker take 90 seconds to try to come up with "optimal matches".
I doubt it needs to, at least in peak hours. There were something like 10k players online when I looked a couple days ago. And you could easily make it to "jump" tiers if necessary after a few seconds. You could even set that time as an option configurable by each player -- or even tank.
No, I don't think letting the players adjust the criteria for the matchmaker is a good idea at all. That sounds like an incredibly bad idea in fact.
And 10k players online does not mean 10k players available to make matches with. Most of them are in matches, or not q'ed. And for those who are q'ed, your matchmaker needs to make even matches for all those q'ed, not just some of them. So you cannot take 30 "good" matched players and leave the rest, since that means it will be harder to make "good" matches for those remaining, you have to come up with something that works for all of them, fast, and with a quickly changing queue.
I think the matchmaker does a pretty good job myself. It would do even better if you got rid of all the wallet warriors.
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2011, 06:13:14 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 01:21:14 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 12:40:06 PM
You're wrong. The T-34 can penetrate the KV point blank with ease. Hell PzIII and T-28 can. And they are faster, too.
As long as you don't have backup or a wall nearby you're toast.
Yes, but it takes what.. 8-10 shots to kill it? Like I said, unlucky or rather careless enough to be caught in the open without a wall to keep the T-34 from circling and sure the T-34 can theoretically win. I've never had that happen in the KV because I am not a blithering idiot.
Meh, 8-10 shots? I dunno how many it takes, but certainly not that many.
Pretty easy to track the KV as well.
The T-34 with the 57mm is a great little vehicle.
The T-34/85 eats KVs for lunch.
edit: 57mm averages about 85 damage. KV has 660 HPs. So that means it needs ~8 penetrating shots to kill, and it fires 28 rounds/minute or so. So you are looking at a reasonable case of a T-34 killing a KV in less than 20 seconds.
Assuming every shot penetrates. Assuming every shot does maximum damage. Assuming every shot hits where it does damage to the tank rather than a module. Assuming the KV is alone. Assuming the KV is in the open.
A lot of assumptions. I still haven't seen it done in the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHu3SxswWk&feature=related Here this may help sorry I do not know how to embed
Quote from: Shade on October 03, 2011, 06:30:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHu3SxswWk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHu3SxswWk&feature=related) Here this may help sorry I do not know how to embed
I never said it was impossible, only that it requires a set of very specific circumstances, of which number a skilled T-34 driver and either another distracting tank OR an unskilled KV driver.
Quote from: Slargos on October 03, 2011, 07:11:05 AM
Quote from: Shade on October 03, 2011, 06:30:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHu3SxswWk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHu3SxswWk&feature=related) Here this may help sorry I do not know how to embed
I never said it was impossible, only that it requires a set of very specific circumstances, of which number a skilled T-34 driver and either another distracting tank OR an unskilled KV driver.
Which differs from what I said how exactly? As I said, the KV needs to be out alone in the open, which might happen given noob-enough teammates but once you learn to drive it, you never ever risk that happening.
Quote from: Slargos on October 03, 2011, 01:32:25 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2011, 06:13:14 PM
Quote from: Slargos on October 02, 2011, 01:21:14 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 02, 2011, 12:40:06 PM
You're wrong. The T-34 can penetrate the KV point blank with ease. Hell PzIII and T-28 can. And they are faster, too.
As long as you don't have backup or a wall nearby you're toast.
Yes, but it takes what.. 8-10 shots to kill it? Like I said, unlucky or rather careless enough to be caught in the open without a wall to keep the T-34 from circling and sure the T-34 can theoretically win. I've never had that happen in the KV because I am not a blithering idiot.
Meh, 8-10 shots? I dunno how many it takes, but certainly not that many.
Pretty easy to track the KV as well.
The T-34 with the 57mm is a great little vehicle.
The T-34/85 eats KVs for lunch.
edit: 57mm averages about 85 damage. KV has 660 HPs. So that means it needs ~8 penetrating shots to kill, and it fires 28 rounds/minute or so. So you are looking at a reasonable case of a T-34 killing a KV in less than 20 seconds.
Assuming every shot penetrates. Assuming every shot does maximum damage. Assuming every shot hits where it does damage to the tank rather than a module. Assuming the KV is alone. Assuming the KV is in the open.
A lot of assumptions. I still haven't seen it done in the game.
No, that is the average damage. Average does not mean maximum.
And if you've never seen a KV taken out by a equal tier medium, you must not play very much, because it is not all that unusual. I have several hundred matches in my KV, and I've certainly been killed by mediums. Certainly a straight up 1 on 1 matchup is rare just because it is not often that a KV finds itself alone (and 1 on 1 matchups are rare in general), but if it happened I would not be surprised to lose that match up.
Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2011, 07:13:47 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 03, 2011, 07:11:05 AM
Quote from: Shade on October 03, 2011, 06:30:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHu3SxswWk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHu3SxswWk&feature=related) Here this may help sorry I do not know how to embed
I never said it was impossible, only that it requires a set of very specific circumstances, of which number a skilled T-34 driver and either another distracting tank OR an unskilled KV driver.
Which differs from what I said how exactly? As I said, the KV needs to be out alone in the open, which might happen given noob-enough teammates but once you learn to drive it, you never ever risk that happening.
Of course you do. There are times when that risk is perfectly reasonable. Never risk that? Hardly.
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2011, 07:24:26 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2011, 07:13:47 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 03, 2011, 07:11:05 AM
Quote from: Shade on October 03, 2011, 06:30:17 AM
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I never said it was impossible, only that it requires a set of very specific circumstances, of which number a skilled T-34 driver and either another distracting tank OR an unskilled KV driver.
Which differs from what I said how exactly? As I said, the KV needs to be out alone in the open, which might happen given noob-enough teammates but once you learn to drive it, you never ever risk that happening.
Of course you do. There are times when that risk is perfectly reasonable. Never risk that? Hardly.
ok not never, obviously the "death penalty" is not nearly severe enough for that. But I rarely soloed with the KV, most of the time I was with my two friends so I never really had to risk it.
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I never said it was impossible, only that it requires a set of very specific circumstances, of which number a skilled T-34 driver and either another distracting tank OR an unskilled KV driver.
Which differs from what I said how exactly? As I said, the KV needs to be out alone in the open, which might happen given noob-enough teammates but once you learn to drive it, you never ever risk that happening.
Of course you do. There are times when that risk is perfectly reasonable. Never risk that? Hardly.
ok not never, obviously the "death penalty" is not nearly severe enough for that. But I rarely soloed with the KV, most of the time I was with my two friends so I never really had to risk it.
Of course. It isn't ideal certainly, the KV is not a "hang out on your own" kind of tank, but that doesn't mean it isn't rather worthwhile under the right circumstances to risk it. Hell, even if you are not "risking it", you know what happens to me plenty?
I am cruising around looking for trouble with a couple friends, and we find some. Said trouble thinks "Lets kill the little guys first!" and blows away my friends while I am hammering them. Oh look, suddenly I am solo!
I find it bizarre how often discussion like this seem to be based on some theoretical plane where words like "never" are thrown about like they actually mean something, and the presumption is that any time you find yourself in a non-ideal situation, you must be some kind of newbtool.
FINALLY just got my 1st Top Gun -- a seven-kill in my Hetzer...
:)
I'm basically rotating games in my Hetzer, Luchs, Wespe & PzIII/IV, depending on what I'm in the mood to do...
I was finally enjoying my PzIII after getting it upgraded and mounting the tiny derp gun, but today my losing streak has been disheartening. I think I've lost almost a dozen games before winning one. Even the few matches where I took out some arty and scouts were hopeless.
Also, WTB skirts for my tracks. :shifty:
Me and Habs were playing a platoon, and I was trying to get a win on Tiger II for the daily double. We must have played 5 straight matches with me getting 3 or more kills per match, yet still losing every single time.
Of course once I get killed without any kills, we won. Personally, I think Habs might have been sandbagging.
ok lol, a camo-netted Marder II is just AWESOME
I bought one for nostalgia and for farming free XP (elite). What a tidy pack of sniping joy.
Le fucking sigh.
Alps.
All the defending IS has to do now that center and north are cleared is STAY IN HIS GODDAMNED POSITION AND DELAY THE 3 REMAINING ENEMY TANKS IN WEST.
I've finally ground down the opposition in center in my E-75 and I'm racing to take West in the ass. What does he do? Charge all the way across the map to take their flag.
Why the hell do I play this game when it only serves to raise my blood pressure? :bleeding:
I finally retired the Slugger. Like all American tanks, it was a mighty tin can, especially with the 90 mm gun.
Can't wait to get the bigger gun in my T25.
Wow, T25 is an even mightier tin can. First ever battle with it, and nearly got a Top Gun, with 5 kills.
Quote from: DGuller on October 04, 2011, 07:53:27 PM
Wow, T25 is an even mightier tin can. First ever battle with it, and nearly got a Top Gun, with 5 kills.
:yes:
Only one kill in the second battle. :(
I really love that 90 mm gun. Even when it's just a starter gun, it's still far from being outclassed. My T29 raped plenty with it while working its way towards the 105 mm one.
Yeah, the starter gun on the T25 (which is really just the old gun on the Slugger) is excellent, not least because of the improved firing rate that it brings to the table. I can't wait for the bigger piece, though. Then I'll just be able to wreck things.
The T25 with the 105mm is awesome.
I tell you, it is the awesomest TD in the game. Fast, nimble, good armor, great gun.
I finally upgraded to the 90mm in my slugger....wow, what a difference over the starter gun. Although at least initially, I miss the amazingly fast reload time I was enjoying in the 76mm.....double the damage however from the 90 is sweet.
Am I just extremely unlucky, or is the StugIII the biggest piece of fucking shit evah?
Unlucky. The Stug is awesome.
Fuck, I can't take a breath without getting one-shot by something...
:mad:
I think I'll go smoke a cigarette & try it again. I rocked in the Hetzer, so I don't get what I'm doing wrong here. Maybe I'll pull the camo net off of the Wespe...
Take things slow. Move from cover to cover and always remember that you don't have a turret. Try to let others lead the way so you can nip at the side-armor of your targets or at least so that your potential kills are shooting at someone else.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 07, 2011, 12:08:47 AM
Take things slow. Move from cover to cover and always remember that you don't have a turret. Try to let others lead the way so you can nip at the side-armor of your targets or at least so that your potential kills are shooting at someone else.
Yep. The Stug III is great, but probably not in what you are trying to use it for.
It is the second best pure sniper TDs on the German line, after the Marder II. So play like a sniper: stay back, hide, shoot over long distance if possible, and relocate (which it can do quick and fast) if you think you might have been spotted.
It's pretty shitty without the L70. Until then, just stick to the howitzer and use speed to your advantage. Unlike the Hezter, you'll die if anyone sneezes your way, so keep moving.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 07, 2011, 07:22:17 AM
Unlike the Hezter, you'll die if anyone sneezes your way, so keep moving.
That's the part that really threw me last night -- that I was getting one-shotted left & right. Things got better once I went to Total Weasel Mode...
:ccr
I just had a tremendously fun round with the KV.
Tier 8 battle at Mines. Since I lack speed and accuracy I go round the right flank to the village while enemy team quickly takes hill. I take position at the crossroads by the church while one of our heavies goes the direct path through vineyard. We start dancing with one, then two, finally three heavies, 2 KV-3 and a IS. While they are concentrated on my mate, I finish two of those and severely damage the other, who dies shorty after as a med arrives to help. Despite that, by then my noobish team has managed to be almost completely wiped out. So I go back, hugging the hill slope so as to spot for others and take advantage of blind angles of those up there. I then manage to hold off a Type 59, another IS and finish off a Tiger (maybe KT). Finally, a KV-3 shoots me from cover.
9 trollcannon shots, 8 hits, all on higher tiered heavies.
I love those battles where you're outmatched, but still manage to wreak havoc. XP gain from them doesn't hurt either.
Priest vs. E-75.
Priest vs. Object 704 (or whatever the TD one is)
I hate playing a Priest.
Quote from: DGuller on October 07, 2011, 11:35:19 AM
I love those battles where you're outmatched, but still manage to wreak havoc. XP gain from them doesn't hurt either.
Yep.
99% of of the fun of this game is understanding the respective strengths & weaknesses of your vehicle & your teammates vehicles in any given match, then having to adjust your actions accordingly -- and hope you don't get blindsided by somebody four tiers higher than you because you chose to go Left instead of Right...
:P
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I love those battles where you're outmatched, but still manage to wreak havoc. XP gain from them doesn't hurt either.
Yes, that is why I loved the Trollcannon.
"problem?" :D
The 90 mm Slugger was particularly good for it. You figure that a tin can in the bottom third of the match isn't going to do much, but then you bag 2 or 3 tanks, at least one of them being a heavy.
Has anyone who has used upper Tier artillery used AP rounds?
For example, the M40/43 203mm gun as the following stats for HE/AP:
Pen: 102/241
Damage: 1850/1450
Now, 241 pen is a lot of pen for an artillery shell that is coming in from the top. I am thinking that if it hits, it is going to penetrate, and do some pretty insane damage (that entire 1450 inside the hull? Sounds like a rather dead target to me).
However, I am guessing that a AP shell has a lot lower splash than a HE shell, even likely lower than the HE numbers would indicate (meaning I bet a 1450 damage AP shell does less splash damage than a 1450 HE shell).
So...is seems like you would want to use AP when you are relatively certain tog et a hit. Problem is that you don't really know anything about the relative probabilities of a shot hitting until you actually fire, hence keeping one ready is not really an option.
There are arties out there with AP rounds? I've seen HEAT premium rounds, but not AP rounds.
AP has no splash. If you miss with the round you do nothing. It's very much an all or nothing shot, and from reading it sounds like people generally use the AP as last chance defence.
In other Arty news I've gotten my GW Tiger and I can't say it's very fun. Slow as a dead dog for moving and firing, it's mostly a lot of sitting around. This is without the upgraded gun which is almost 25% slower. I'm pretty much just playing for the daily double and spending most of my Arty time in the GW Panther. Haven't decided if I'll sell the Tiger yet, but I'm very tempted.
They should rethink the upper level Arty experience. It might be somewhat realistic to have slow firing heavy caliber pieces, but it's really, really boring to play them.
Another hilarious KV round, full of incredible fail on both teams.
Lakeville, this time on top tier. Everyone but the two arty pukes and a med goes right, through the valley of death, and gets crushed while I hold middle. Eventually the med dies defending the town, as well at the last of our lemming train east. As I rush back at "full" speed (tracked as well), the arty is overrun by the enemy. It's 4 vs my damaged KV now. Guess who wins the round. :ph34r:
[edit]The 107 mm is ridiculous against low tier targets. El Halluf: lemming train goes long way, manages to reach enemy base before being obliterated. By then our base is being taken. Alone, I arrive, go through the village for cover and take that first wave out, then wait for the enemy survivors. By then I'm almost rolling on the floor laughing as they also try to kill me one by one. 8 kills. Steel Wall, Defender, Top Gun.
Well. I just played my first real clan wars battle. Turns out saturday night isn't the best night to get full teams going so I was suddenly thrust into the 1st Line in my E-75 and just barely managed to stock up on some gold ammo before the 1/8 final landing battle started with 14 of our tanks to 15 of theirs. Slightly outgunned (probably around 10-15% advantage to them) we still raped the other team with only 3 casualties and I even managed to score a kill on an E-100.
Playing with a competent team is like a whole different game. :lol:
And I just found a fun way to play the T-34: Long range machine gun sniper. :D
I got confederate on that map with the big valley divide. The T-34 is quick enough to rapidly redeploy when new enemies are spotted, and since it reloads quicker than it aims, and the ammo is near limitless you can just spam rounds down range and hope for a hit no matter if they're moving or not. :lol:
That's how I used mine. Got tired of it though. Just sold it. I'll probably sell the Stug as well since I hardly ever play it.
I'm mostly playing KV and PzkfwIII/IV nowadays. In addition, I finally decided to get a Leopard.
I'm ever so slowly moving up the Soviet med and heavy trees. More of an idle pastime. I just got my E-50 and I'm still hard at work on the E-100. Going is slow since I hardly get to play these days though.
Damn, KV makes experience fast. I get 75% more exp per battle with it than average. I've already got a shiny KV-3, but I'm surely keeping my KV.
Whoever suggested the Marder II:
You are awesome.
I just got Top Gun, Sniper, and Reaper all in one match. I hid in some bushes on the left flank near a road leading into our flag area while the entirety of my team rushes the other flank. Naturally, most of the opposing team comes rumbling tentatively down the road that I'm covering all by myself. I just sit tight as their numbers dwindle little by little because of wanderlust and eventually one of the heavies drives right by me and starts climbing the ramp into our flag. They have beaucoup artillery and I'm not sure how much support he has so I sit and wait until he shows his entire ass to me, preoccupying himself with taking potshots at our arty. Three 76mm rounds applied liberally to his anal region lift him off the battlefield into a bajillion pieces. He had absolutely no idea. :lol:
By now the rest of the other team consists of arty and TDs so I make my way up the road using the buildings as cover. Another TD surprises me but I was quicker on the mouse button and he's lit up with one round. I keep crawling up the left flank and finally I'm joined by a teammate in a light tank. I use him as bait and four rounds and four kills later I single-handedly win the match and become hero of the world.
:cool:
Just killed a Lowe and an IS in my SU-5. At the end of the match, it was me and a Wespe against a Lowe. We ran up the flank and capped the base. :lol:
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Whoever suggested the Marder II:
You are awesome.
...
The Marder II is a fantastic TD. Curiously enough though, my stats with it are significantly worse than in the Pzjäger. In fact, my performance declined markedly as I progressed down the TD line. Maybe the influence of increasing tier difference in the matchmaker?
Almost got a Top Gun in T-34-85, easily one of my worst tanks in the game. And I did it while being in the bottom half. :yeah:
Killed 3 tanks in T-50 while being at the bottom third of the field. Fired 17 shots, hit 10 times, despite the fact that I fired pretty much every shot on the move. :yeah: I love those games.
I hate T-50s. Sneaky little buggers everyone seems to miss while I always get tracked on the first shot when driving my PzIII/IV or Leopard at 70 kmh.
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 08, 2011, 11:48:55 PM
Whoever suggested the Marder II:
You are awesome.
I had the most fun I've ever had in this game playing the Marder II. It has an incredible gun, it's fast to shoot...delicious.
After the disappointment with German TDs, I'm trying Soviet. Just had one of those rounds where you should be cannon fodder and you manage not to. Stock SU-76 vs KVs in Sigfried line. Sniper -- 19 out of 20 shots on target -- BT-7 and PzIII destroyed, mauled KV. I ended the round running circles around the KV, even shooting it a couple times while at it. :lol:
Soviet TDs are an acquired taste as well. American TD line is by far my favorite, although its TDs aren't TDs at all in middle tiers.
Yeah, I was definitely a little dissapointed with the German line. The StugIII was the best of the bunch, and the JagdPanther very disappointing.
The US T25AT is a much better JagdPanther than the JagdPanther.
Now that my T25 is upgraded, I almost don't want to play it, because I know I wont like the T28 nearly as much.
Things get worse after StuG III? Yikes. I guess I know which line I'm going to cut from my bloated tank lineup.
I didn't like the StugIII at all. Sold it a few days ago. The one I liked best was Marder II, though I admit the little trollcannon on Hezter was fun on its own way.
StuG rapes when matched near the top, but is otherwise quite useless regardless of which gun you mount. Thankfully, I did get matched well a couple of times, with the corresponding ~5 kill games, but really in most games I expect to die pointlessly, and I'm rarely disappointed.
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Yeah, I was definitely a little dissapointed with the German line. The StugIII was the best of the bunch, and the JagdPanther very disappointing.
err, the JagdPANTHER? That is one awesome tank when fully upgraded, and once it has the long 88, not to mention the 105, it is a decent sniper even with otherwise stock equipment.
You have decent mobility and turn rate with acceptable front armor and HP, plus a 105mm gun which has very nice penetration and very good accuracy.
Yeah, the JagdPanther has a whole lot of "decent" and "acceptable" about it.
It isn't really awesome at all, and the T25 AT has better armor, better gun, just as good accuracy (or close enough not to matter) and better mobility.
The only thing that the JP has over the T25 is better concealment, so far as I can tell.
Quote from: Berkut on October 11, 2011, 01:43:33 PM
Yeah, the JagdPanther has a whole lot of "decent" and "acceptable" about it.
It isn't really awesome at all, and the T25 AT has better armor, better gun, just as good accuracy (or close enough not to matter) and better mobility.
The only thing that the JP has over the T25 is better concealment, so far as I can tell.
well yes, but the American AT guns are gay
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Yeah, the JagdPanther has a whole lot of "decent" and "acceptable" about it.
It isn't really awesome at all, and the T25 AT has better armor, better gun, just as good accuracy (or close enough not to matter) and better mobility.
The only thing that the JP has over the T25 is better concealment, so far as I can tell.
well yes, but the American AT guns are gay
Ahh, so it must be the SU-152 you are comparing the JP to and finding it awesome.
What is so awesome about it compared to the Soviet T7 TD then?
I find JagdPanthers to be surprisingly soft targets more often than not. Generally I really hate shooting at the front of any German vehicle above tier 6, because it's almost guaranteed to bounce. However, somehow the front of JagdPanther, despite being sloped, seems to really take to my rounds.
I just soloed an undamaged E-100 on Himmelsdorf in my E-50 with stock gun. Jesus fucking CHRIST that felt good. Didn't even matter that we lost the game. Fucker had already pasted me twice one of which set me on fire, and he'd been stalking me for a good few minutes.
I managed to sneak up behind him as he was racing to defend the flag and started pelting him in the bunghole with my ~200 damage shots. Finally managed to take him down to 72 hp as he managed to get his side armour towards me against which I was powerless, but I had the presence of mind to switch to HE and finished him off with 2 more shots. Glorious.
Quote from: DGuller on October 11, 2011, 01:58:26 PM
I find JagdPanthers to be surprisingly soft targets more often than not. Generally I really hate shooting at the front of any German vehicle above tier 6, because it's almost guaranteed to bounce. However, somehow the front of JagdPanther, despite being sloped, seems to really take to my rounds.
Well yeah it's not that great, but useful. The thing is, with these TDs (Berk, I have only played German ones), if a heavy is shooting at you, you are doing something wrong. Snipe with the Jagdpanther, snipe with it!
In other news, I have upgraded my IS with the better 122mm, the track, and the engine. It is a great contrast to the sniping Jagdpanther: rushing berzerk madness!
The only time I'm not kicking ass with the jagdpanther is when I'm in the bottom third or haven't played it in a while. My best tank by far.
Although if the 25 is so fabulous like you make it sound, perhaps I need to try it out.
Don't get me wrong, the JagdPanther was not a terrible tank or anything - I had pretty good success with it. Over 1k/match, 70something percent hit rating. It just wasn't as good as I thought it would be. It does not dominate its tier level by any means.
Over 1k/match? :yeahright: I can manage two thirds of that in my best tanks.
Read as "over 1 kill per match"
Oh, I see. That makes more sense.
Speaking of the T25...I just one shot a T59 from the side with one. Ammo rack FTW, I presume.
Speaking of Type 59, in one of my matches there actually were 6 on the enemy side, and just one on our side. Talk about "oh, shit!" moment. I think Berkut would find the sight of Lowe drivers bitching about Type 59s amusing.
Interestingly enough, we did actually do a lot better than expected against that pack of Type 59s. We were up to 4 enemy tanks killed when the last of ours was blown up. :yeah:
Quote from: Berkut on October 11, 2011, 02:55:55 PM
Don't get me wrong, the JagdPanther was not a terrible tank or anything - I had pretty good success with it. Over 1k/match, 70something percent hit rating. It just wasn't as good as I thought it would be. It does not dominate its tier level by any means.
Why should it dominate it's tier? If more than one tanks are dominating, they cease to be dominating so are you asking for imbalance? :P
Besides, I am not sure I agree. I have no fear of taking on anything in my tier, if I have a shot at using my advantages (distance/concealment/accuracy). And relying on those is not worse than the IS relying on zerging close so with its relative mobility so it can derp gun at a range where it can actually hit something, for example.
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Quote from: Berkut on October 11, 2011, 02:55:55 PM
Don't get me wrong, the JagdPanther was not a terrible tank or anything - I had pretty good success with it. Over 1k/match, 70something percent hit rating. It just wasn't as good as I thought it would be. It does not dominate its tier level by any means.
Why should it dominate it's tier? If more than one tanks are dominating, they cease to be dominating so are you asking for imbalance? :P
Besides, I am not sure I agree. I have no fear of taking on anything in my tier, if I have a shot at using my advantages (distance/concealment/accuracy). And relying on those is not worse than the IS relying on zerging close so with its relative mobility so it can derp gun at a range where it can actually hit something, for example.
If it is "awesome" it should do something other than be simply as good as the other vehicles in its class, right? Or rather, not quite as good as the other vehicales in its class?
My first ever battle in Tiger II, almost stock, and two of the crewmen still not re-retrained.
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I think Berkut would be proud of me. :cry: The most satisfying was Type 59, who I killed with my first ever shot I made with Tiger II while it was at 100%. Must've hit a Chinese-made ammo rack or something.
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two of the crewmen still not re-retrained.
:wacko:
I'm short on credits, I blew them all on getting the damn King Tiger. I figured that radio guy and the driver could wait until next semester. I figured that spending credits on ammo would be a better investment that spending it on regimental school tuition.
I may have had beginner's luck with my Prince Tiger. The next 4 battles yielded no additional kills. :(
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Quote from: Berkut on October 11, 2011, 02:55:55 PM
Don't get me wrong, the JagdPanther was not a terrible tank or anything - I had pretty good success with it. Over 1k/match, 70something percent hit rating. It just wasn't as good as I thought it would be. It does not dominate its tier level by any means.
Why should it dominate it's tier? If more than one tanks are dominating, they cease to be dominating so are you asking for imbalance? :P
Besides, I am not sure I agree. I have no fear of taking on anything in my tier, if I have a shot at using my advantages (distance/concealment/accuracy). And relying on those is not worse than the IS relying on zerging close so with its relative mobility so it can derp gun at a range where it can actually hit something, for example.
If it is "awesome" it should do something other than be simply as good as the other vehicles in its class, right? Or rather, not quite as good as the other vehicales in its class?
It is awesome because it is fun to play with. All the tier sevens are fun to play with? That's great, I'll believe you on that.
Battle of Moscow event is coming, from the 14th 'til the 17th.
http://game.worldoftanks.com/news/battle-moscow-specials
Damn, I bought my IS like a week ago, and I am nowhere near to farming out the PzIV, and I am more interested in the Sherman anyway, when it comes to farming useless mediums. I dread the Pershing and the Patton, I want to eventualy own them.
I kill three wallet warriors in one battle, and not a peep of approval from :berkut: ? :(
You done good, padawan. Now get a microphone.
I just had a game in my E-50 where I got 20/20 shots/hits. 780 XP in a match we lost, and I did not get a single kill.
I think I took 4 different heavies from 100% to 10%.
Well. It's official. I am in love with the Wolverine.
Mid-tiered tank on Siegfried, I found myself excellently positioned in the city to enfilade the flanking advance. About 8 tanks raced across the open and I popped 76mm rounds into them like it was going out of style. The utter and savage rape... :D :lol: :D :lol:
I'm on my SU-8 and we're winning, but they get a Lowe into our base area. I'm hiding in a bush someplace and the Lowe isn't even aiming at me as he's too busy engaging a T25 that's playing defense. What do I do?
I gun it, full-speed ahead, and park a shell into him at point-blank range. Kaboom!
Meh. I once killed a light tank that was rushing our base, by ramming him with my Priest. Now that was amusing.
I once killed a light tank that was ramming me with a point blank shot, but the splash damage killed me as well. Which really was kind of cool.
Jsut got Kamikaze on my KV-3. I was playing peekaboo with an IS-3 on the town in Lakeville when I accidentally ran backwards into a circling, damaged T-44 as I tried to put a corner between me and the enemy heavy before he reloaded. :lol:
That is awesome. The only thing that could have made it better would be if it was a Type 59.
I once blasted a medium that was in the process of ramming me, knocking him down to about 1%, so that when he rammed me he essentially killed himself...
I got my Kamikaze badge when, IIRC, I was in some bullshit tank that was rammed by an IS-3 that suddenly appeared over a hill. Didn't even see him coming and BLAMMO. Killed himself.
Damn, I'm making a crapload of cash thanks to the Moscow event. :)
An elite KV is a cash cow *before* you double its credits...
Yeah, plus I've got a KV AND a KV-3.
This is one of the most disappointing specials for me. Not only do I not have a single tank that's eligible, but it also doesn't give half price off on the equipment.
I ahve both a PzIV and a KV, and I've been bouncing between them a little bit.
It's funny, with the KV I hope to be top tier. Then I just drive around blowing things away and keeping my eye out for other KVs and TDs.
With the PzIV, I actually hope to be mid tier. With the 75L70, I can reliably pen anything T5 or T6 from the side, and since I don't want to go face up even with T5 tanks, it doesn't really matter if they are a little higher - just gives me more HPs to take off, and hence more creds.
Just held the entire open flank on Sigfried Line, bagging 5 including a Tiger and a Panther. 1000+ exp and 50k credits without premium.
Won the round by rushing at flank speed (on my KV-3) at the cap zone when we were 90% to 90% captured, going to draw. :lol:
My first Object goes down! He was at 1%. :P
Just noticed that I need about 100 battles to get the IS ...
Well I must say that I'm really warming up to the KV-3. I hadn't played it that much up until now, but I'm throughly enjoying it currently. I've gone from 44% to 53% of victories in an evening. It's the first turreted tank where I have more kills than deaths, not to mention a 40+% survival rate.
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I just got a Wittman's in my Ferdi. Playing Alps, me and a Panther II managed to take out the northern path and I figured he would race on to capture the now vacant enemy flag while I would return to the middle to pick off attacking tanks. Instead he chooses to take the Löwe sitting on the bridge from behind, and promptly gets himself killed, almost at the same time as the west and center flanks evaporate.
I curse at him and start moving back to defend the flag now that I'm alone against two mediums, a TD and a heavy. Get back to the base just in time to stop the first med from his capture attempt, and start reversing up the hill. The goddamned morons aren't fast enough to prevent me from ascent, and I just start picking them off one by one as they arrive to take me down. :D
Quote from: Iormlund on October 14, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
Just noticed that I need about 100 battles to get the IS ...
Half way there already. :)
I have decided to come back to KV and go for S-51. I really hope I won't regret that.
First battle with Tiger II: 3 kills. Next 9 battles: 0 kills. :bleeding:
Did you make sure to fire the cannon? Sometimes, I forget to fire the cannon.
Quote from: DGuller on October 15, 2011, 10:37:13 PM
First battle with Tiger II: 3 kills. Next 9 battles: 0 kills. :bleeding:
I actually had a similar experience with both the KT and the E-75.
First battle went swimming, and then I had a bitch of a time the next dozen. I think I went through a 9 battle losing streak in the E-75. Now I've clawed my way up to 49% winning but it was as if I had to re-learn everything I knew about driving heavies both times.
Berkut, you are not playing on the European servers, are you?
Why would he?
Quote from: Iormlund on October 16, 2011, 07:31:18 AM
Why would he?
IDK. I just saw a "Berkut" in game. Must be an other Russian then.
He goes by Berkutt IIRC.
In other news, I'm 9k away from an IS. :cool:
Nope, US servers.
Killed a Lowe in my bottom-ranked T-34. I am pleased.
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 16, 2011, 12:43:27 PM
Killed a Lowe in my bottom-ranked T-34. I am pleased.
Quite respectable. I usually bounce the HE ammo with my T-34 when I go up against those kinds of tanks.
Just had a match in my Wolverine where I was bottom tank, and got 3 kills. First time I run out of ammo in any game where I went into the match with a full loadout.
Got my IS and 2.5 million creds in this event, without premium. :)
Don't have a gun for it yet, though. :P
Quote from: Iormlund on October 16, 2011, 02:33:10 PM
Got my IS and 2.5 million creds in this event, without premium. :)
Don't have a gun for it yet, though. :P
Have fun turning profit in your IS without the premium account. :P You're going to long for the days when your IS didn't have a gun, because you won't like the ammo costs.
I'll go premium when they fix the Matchmaker. Not before.
Anyway, I still have the KV, KV-3 and soon a VK3600 and a SU85. That should cover the costs of a few rounds worth of 100 mm ammo.
Sold my KV and KV-3 on the reasoning that the USSR new lines will roll out in Q1 2012 and I don't need to waste the space on them until then for the free tanks. With my luck, they will roll it out tomorrow.
You are probably correct. I think I read somewhere that the French come before the Soviet tree is rearranged.
Got my Ferdi yesterday. Interesting, and holds great promise, but I must adopt from the agile Jagdpanther. Luckily I had enough free XP saved up to buy the tracks to it after a try of it with stock equipment (minus that it had the 105mm from my beloved JPanther).
I already see that my biggest nemesis will be the SPGs. And scouts.
Ferdi is a pain in the ass until you get the 128 but it's the first German TD that can actually take a beating. Hull-down and angled it can bounce even tier 9 guns with ease.
The E-50 with the big gun is such a great tank.
My results with it are actually not nearly as good as the amount of fun I have playing it, from a kills/match standpoint.
Quote from: Berkut on October 19, 2011, 07:15:08 AM
The E-50 with the big gun is such a great tank.
My results with it are actually not nearly as good as the amount of fun I have playing it, from a kills/match standpoint.
I'm getting so far behind you assholes that it's starting to get irritating.
I still run with the stock gun in the E-50 though I have the other upgrades (got the engine for the E-75) and I'm 85kxp away from the E-100. I'm getting there though.
I'm gradually getting better with my non-arty units, but...my results are wierd. I had great results with the T82, T40 it was so-so, M10 it's slowly improving to so-so. On the other hand the PzIV was one of my worst grinds up until right near the end when I finally started doing better. That included one phenomenal match where I was at the bottom but picked up a kill and Confederate. Meanwhile I've won 5/6 with the VK 3601(H) and the M3 Stuart Lend Lease just cleans up. I put the Stuart results down to being in lower tier matches with people who don't have a clue. It doesn't seem to get pulled up into higher tier matches nearly as often as I'd expect. I've just been lucky with the VK. I'm not playing that well with it.
Different tanks suit different playstyles. I generally do very well in the TDs but in many heavies I drop to the 45-48% victory range. The KV-3 for instance is a tank that I can't quite get to work for me. It's a bouncing machine despite its boxy looks (bouncing a shot from a tier 8 gun fired into your flank is just disgusting) but I simply can't get the cannon/speed to work for me.
It's kind of odd, actually.
The only thing I ahve left to upgrade on the E-50 is the engine. Which means that the only thing I have to upgrade on the entire German medium line is that engine.
I am a little worried that once I upgrade the engine, I won't feel the same incentive to play the E-50, since there isn't that MMOlike "get the next thing" crack addiction going anymore, and I really like playing the E-50.
I realize how little that makes sense, of course.
Quote from: Slargos on October 19, 2011, 08:47:46 AM
Different tanks suit different playstyles. I generally do very well in the TDs but in many heavies I drop to the 45-48% victory range. The KV-3 for instance is a tank that I can't quite get to work for me. It's a bouncing machine despite its boxy looks (bouncing a shot from a tier 8 gun fired into your flank is just disgusting) but I simply can't get the cannon/speed to work for me.
That's weird, I don't bounce shots on other KV-3s except from the front.
Anyway, I played over 100 battles with the KV-3 this last weekend for the event and the results are completely inconclusive. The first day was very good, climbing to a 53% victory rating. The second day, I went down to 45% and fell below 1 kill per match despite similar hit ratio.
Quote from: Berkut on October 19, 2011, 11:04:15 AM
It's kind of odd, actually.
The only thing I ahve left to upgrade on the E-50 is the engine. Which means that the only thing I have to upgrade on the entire German medium line is that engine.
I am a little worried that once I upgrade the engine, I won't feel the same incentive to play the E-50, since there isn't that MMOlike "get the next thing" crack addiction going anymore, and I really like playing the E-50.
I realize how little that makes sense, of course.
I was worried about that with the GW Panther, but it's such a great SPG and the GW Tiger is so dreadfully dull that it hasn't been a problem. Sure, I play it slightly less but it's still a lot of fun when I do. I get the "grind for things" pressure from my other tanks and have no intention of selling the Panther.
Quote from: Berkut on October 19, 2011, 11:04:15 AM
It's kind of odd, actually.
The only thing I ahve left to upgrade on the E-50 is the engine. Which means that the only thing I have to upgrade on the entire German medium line is that engine.
I am a little worried that once I upgrade the engine, I won't feel the same incentive to play the E-50, since there isn't that MMOlike "get the next thing" crack addiction going anymore, and I really like playing the E-50.
I realize how little that makes sense, of course.
Makes perfect sense. You'ver played hundreds of hours pushing for the next upgrade and the next tank adn suddenlhy you have no objectives.
I've started playing mostly daily double with the JagdPanther and Ferdinand saving XP for the new TD tree, and keeping the grinding for the E-100 and the IS-4 (which I hope to get before the USSR upgrade for a free tier 10 tank). My goal now isn't maximizing XP however, but rather victory % and number of kills. Hence, I will no longer go for the targets I know will yield the most, but rather the ones that will in order of importance 1. ensure victory and 2. increase my kill/match count.
Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do when I finally reach the end of the tree. So far I have never played a tank after I elited it, there was always a better tank to play. Will I happily blast away the noobs when I get IS-7, or will I never bother to play it? My guess is the latter is what's going to happen.
My first match with the VK2801 and the 105mm howitzer on it.
Oh man, I like this tank. I like it a lot.
Fast, decent armor, I can hurt Tigers and such, and I can hammer anything T5 and below.
It has a 105 howitzer? I loved that howitzer on the Panzer IV. Light tank with a howitzer sounds like a very deadly combination.
I like the 105mm even on the M4.
Best is when a couple of tiers higher tank encounters me and a heavy buddy of mine and he clearly thinks "okay I can one-shot the Sherman any time, whatever", then I shoot his side and go:
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Altough the best such moment so far was in my trollcannoned KV, in the mini-canyon of Abbey. I was very low tiered and there was a slugfest of scary heavies beside me, and one of these damaged big guys, a Tiger 2 or IS-3 I think, advanced agressively, and just passed me on, ignoring me completely, going for a point blank on the scarier tanks. So I turn after him, shoot him in the ass with my beloved 152mm, and... see above picture :D
Quote from: Berkut on October 20, 2011, 10:10:42 AM
My first match with the VK2801 and the 105mm howitzer on it.
Oh man, I like this tank. I like it a lot.
Fast, decent armor, I can hurt Tigers and such, and I can hammer anything T5 and below.
I'd love to drive that one, but 56k EXP to get there? Jesus fucking Christ.
Meh, I just played my Leopard once or twice a day for a few weeks. The 5x XP weekend helped a lot.
You know you were in a shitty team when you score 9 kills with your Marder II and still get a defeat.
Quote from: Tamas on October 21, 2011, 03:28:27 PM
You know you were in a shitty team when you score 9 kills with your Marder II and still get a defeat.
I've had those kinds of battles a couple of times. The most annoying part about them is that it takes forever to get rid of the blue font on your name afterwards.
Quote from: DGuller on October 21, 2011, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: Tamas on October 21, 2011, 03:28:27 PM
You know you were in a shitty team when you score 9 kills with your Marder II and still get a defeat.
I've had those kinds of battles a couple of times. The most annoying part about them is that it takes forever to get rid of the blue font on your name afterwards.
:lol:
No, sir, I was killing off the enemy team. I was DEATH INCARNATE.
Speaking of death incarnate....
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Just 7, kid? :yeahright:
Someone stole my PzIII/IV kill at the end that would have gotten me my Wittmans...
I need advice regarding the Sherman line.
I am enjoying my M4 with the 105mm, mostly because it doesnt matter that much what matchmaking I get: I can be of use and can annoy.
Now, I see the M2 gets that gun, but the E8 looks to be the better overall choice. How useful it's gun is?
Quote from: Berkut on October 23, 2011, 09:34:12 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 23, 2011, 04:49:33 AM
How useful it's gun is?
:hmm:
The E8 has that quick 76mm you can develop on it. What can 76mms do in tier 6 except hunt scouts and arties, I ask of you
Easy 8 is more dangerous than you would think, even without the derp gun option. In my stats, Easy 8 is about on par with the other tier 6 mediums, except for VK 3601 (H), which is ahead of all the rest by a wide margin.
I was just about decided on the E2 when I was advancing together with an E8 and it made an inmpressing show of handling out damages. Also being a few thousand XPs cheaper, I am tempted.
Speaking of Easy 8. :yeah:
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The KV and Slugger kills were stolen from me as well, although I think I stole one myself.
Very nice!
The e8 is a nice tank. I like the e2 slightly more, but only slightly. The gun doesn't hit hard, but it fires so freaking fast it isn't funny.
If I were to do the American tree from scratch, I would go with the E2, to go straight to M6. That would save me grinding the Lee for the T1 tank, and then grinding the T1 tank itself, the two absolutely worst grinds in the game.
Quote from: DGuller on October 23, 2011, 04:09:17 PM
If I were to do the American tree from scratch, I would go with the E2, to go straight to M6. That would save me grinding the Lee for the T1 tank, and then grinding the T1 tank itself, the two absolutely worst grinds in the game.
Really? I agree with the Lee but I absolutely love my T-1 I win most matches and i usually am top on the kill list.... I actually am mounting stuff on to it because I like playing it so much.
Ditto with what Shade said. I liked the T1 plenty and did OK with it. The Lee was absolutely awful, though. I'm starting to think the T-43 (Soviet medium) is even worse, however.
Got my 20th Top Gun. Unfortunately, while my KV was knocking out the Shermans, Hetzers, Panzers, and other KVs, my teammates were busy abandoning the base. My 7 kills weren't enough. :( The most annoying things is that I almost beat my KV's maximum XP per battle record, while still losing the battle. :mad:
Nice!
Did you get any enemy tanks this time?
Two of my recent battles from last week, both on the T25 :
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:)
Quote from: Berkut on October 23, 2011, 11:08:07 PM
Nice!
Did you get any enemy tanks this time?
No, I couldn't get to the enemy tanks. They were at our base.
I'm kicking ass with the Easy 8 today. I killed a T34 and and JadgPanther in one match, while near the bottom of the list. I found that sticking with one heavy tank, and then flanking when the heavy engages, can work very well for a medium tank. That T34 wasn't even looking at me while I kept the rounds going in his ass.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 23, 2011, 06:57:24 PM
Ditto with what Shade said. I liked the T1 plenty and did OK with it. The Lee was absolutely awful, though. I'm starting to think the T-43 (Soviet medium) is even worse, however.
really? I have never played a t-34 but when I play against them they seem nice... pretty fast decent damage almost seems as though you can go circles around most tanks.... or am i getting confused with a different t-30's
I have the 128mm on the Ferdi, and it is indeed a huge improvement. Also, the first engine upgrade (got tracks from free xp upon purchase). And that is also very nice because - you can't really sit idle unless you are guaranteedly covered from arty. Which is kinda stupid, but with such small maps it is unavoidable I guess.
But when you line up against a hill or something knowing you are safe, it can be pretty nice. And when there are no SPGs and you are around top tier - I go into assault gun mode and usually support advances. Things just melt in front of me, as I wreak havoc while the enemy goes "ding, ding" on my armor. :cool:
edit: you can easily recognize experienced players / players who has driven a Ferdie btw.
eg. noob Type 59er would get into a shooting contest with me. But an experienced one just races towards me, swallows the shot it gets from me, and then kills me from behind.
I have to say, Lowes never bothered me much, but Type 59s are just too much. They are just way too potent of a tank, especially in packs.
Quote from: Shade on October 24, 2011, 08:05:59 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 23, 2011, 06:57:24 PM
Ditto with what Shade said. I liked the T1 plenty and did OK with it. The Lee was absolutely awful, though. I'm starting to think the T-43 (Soviet medium) is even worse, however.
really? I have never played a t-34 but when I play against them they seem nice... pretty fast decent damage almost seems as though you can go circles around most tanks.... or am i getting confused with a different t-30's
T-43 != T-34.
I dread even starting playing T-43. It seems like a T-34-85, a tank which I so thoroughly enjoyed and thought the day would never come when I would get enough XP to be able to stop enjoying it, with slightly more armor added.
I started the Soviet medium line so that me and Habs could platoon in the same vehicles, since neither of us had gone down that line.
I ahve to say, with the exception of the T-34 with the 57mm gun, not a single vehicle has been much fun to play. Maybe they just don't appeal to my play style, but they all seem very generic. They do ok, but not great. They don't really have any particular thing about any of them that makes them interesting.
I got all the way to the T-43, got it completely researched excepting the T-44, and sold it. Meh.
The thing that annoys me most about Soviet mediums are the guns. In the mediums, you need to fire fast and move.
Good luck firing any Soviet gun within 5 seconds of stopping and actually hitting what you intended, and not some random object that appears somewhere on your screen instead. It also doesn't help that your T-34-85 has weak armor on the front, side, back, and all over the turret.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 24, 2011, 09:15:24 AM
Quote from: Shade on October 24, 2011, 08:05:59 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 23, 2011, 06:57:24 PM
Ditto with what Shade said. I liked the T1 plenty and did OK with it. The Lee was absolutely awful, though. I'm starting to think the T-43 (Soviet medium) is even worse, however.
really? I have never played a t-34 but when I play against them they seem nice... pretty fast decent damage almost seems as though you can go circles around most tanks.... or am i getting confused with a different t-30's
T-43 != T-34.
Hehe which is why i should not read anything before I wake up... and also why I was so confused :blush:
Hell, for that matter T-34 != T34.
The new matchmaker doesn't seem to be any better than the old one. I'm still just as often in the bottom half as I am in the top half.
The T29 is a really fun tank.
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Curiously enough, I think I did better with T29 when it had a 90mm cannon, somehow I went on a tear with it much more often. :hmm: Maybe it was just beginner's luck.
I've had one of the funniest episode in WoT yet. I was in a T-50, and along with Leopard we're scouting deep into the territory. Along the way we encounter a pair of enemy T-50s. A long 60 kph dogfight ensues, where me and my wingman are chasing the enemy and his wingman all over the map, to much comic effect. Eventually I get both T-50s and neither of us take much damage from their fire. Unfortunately, near the end of the chase, me and the Leopard crash into each other while trying to finish off the second T-50, and take half our health off each other. :face:
Quote from: DGuller on October 24, 2011, 11:47:46 PM
I've had one of the funniest episode in WoT yet. I was in a T-50, and along with Leopard we're scouting deep into the territory. Along the way we encounter a pair of enemy T-50s. A long 60 kph dogfight ensues, where me and my wingman are chasing the enemy and his wingman all over the map, to much comic effect. Eventually I get both T-50s and neither of us take much damage from their fire. Unfortunately, near the end of the chase, me and the Leopard crash into each other while trying to finish off the second T-50, and take half our health off each other. :face:
:lol:
I finally got Panther. I have to say, that long 7.5 cm gun is quickly becoming long in the tooth. I almost feel like I had that gun back when I was playing with Loltraktor. Having a top gun with the damage of 135 is a little on the weak side at Tier 7.
SO use the 88 instead.
I think it is a very good decision point.
You can use the long 75, which has pretty mediocre damage for T7, but ridiculous penetration for Tier 7, or you can use the 88 which has decent pen for T7, and good damage.
The L100 fires astoundingly quickly, slices through anything and is one of the most accurate weapons in the game. The 88 has nothing on it.
Come to think of it, the very high penetration value can increase damage beyond specified. I think there is a substantial damage bonus if you can penetrate more than twice the armor width.
Quote from: DGuller on October 25, 2011, 08:12:26 PM
Come to think of it, the very high penetration value can increase damage beyond specified. I think there is a substantial damage bonus if you can penetrate more than twice the armor width.
you are thinking of armor over-penetration, which is based on the shell diameter being more than twice the armor thickness, so no help with the L100 there.
I think I am. :hmm:
WTF does shell diameter and armor thickness have to do with each other, though? :huh: I would think that penetration being twice that would make sense, since such a round could go through more of the stuff inside the tank. The diameter thing makes no sense at all, though. You may as well give damage bonus for firing a shot from a tank with upgraded tracks, but basic engine.
Quote from: DGuller on October 25, 2011, 10:14:36 PM
I think I am. :hmm:
WTF does shell diameter and armor thickness have to do with each other, though? :huh: I would think that penetration being twice that would make sense, since such a round could go through more of the stuff inside the tank. The diameter thing makes no sense at all, though. You may as well give damage bonus for firing a shot from a tank with upgraded tracks, but basic engine.
It is actually based on real world shot physics, not something they just made up.
During WW2 (I am going from memory here) it was noticed during testing that sometimes when large caliber rounds strcuk armor that was half their diameter or less, they would not just penetrate easily, but would actually cause the armor to fail catostrophically, like crack wide open for example. Something to do with overstressing the armor plate, as opposed to just punching a hole.
:hmm: Interesting. I still don't see why it has to be a discrete effect, and not just a gradual increase in over-penetration as the ratio of shell diameter to armor thickness increases. I always assumed that the factor of 2 was there because then you can go through both sides.
But it is a discrete effect. It has to do with the ability of the metal to actually bend and deform as the projectile's energy transfers into the armor plate. This is a function of kinetic energy of course, but it is also a matter of how much area the energy is being applied to the metal compared to the thickness of the metal itself - as the metal of the surface of the armor plate is pushed inwards, it eventually encounters enough resistance from the metal behind it that it starts to get pushed outward, which is why there is often a circular "bulge", like a crater rim, around holes punched in armor. As the shell continues to penetrate, eventually this is overcomes and the armor "petals" which creates the hole as the projectile punches through.
There is some kind of relationship between the actual diameter of the shell and the thickness of the armor plate that causes the armor to lose its ability to resist the shock wave as the shell diameter exceeds twice the armor thickness. I barely understand this, although I used to "get" it a lot more. So I am probably fucking this all up, but it does end up making sense at some point.
Now you are going to make me go look this up again, damnit...
BTW, the term we are looking for is actually "overmatch".
If you read much on the physics of armor penetration, the "T/D" ratio is a pretty key variable, and that is the ratio of the projectiles diameter to the armor's thickness. So apparently it really does matter...
Interesting paragraph that does a decent job of explaining armor overmatch and the importance of the T/D ratio in WW2 combat:
QuoteBehind the decision to retain the the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56 as the main gun of the Tiger I, instead of the Rheinmetall 75 mm KwK 42 L/70, was the fact that at that time armor penetration was mainly a function of thickness to diameter (T/d) ratio. During World War II, the Armor Piercing (AP) round relied on its own weight (and a 88 mm KwK 36 L/56 gun APCBC shell weighed 10.2 Kilograms, as opposed by an 75 mm KwK 42 L/70 gun APCBC shell, which weighed 6.8 Kilograms) to penetrate the enemy's armor. Theoretically, the higher the muzzle velocity, the more penetration any kind of AP round would have, all other variables remaining constant. In real World War Two tank combat, however, other important variables intervened, such as the thickness to diameter (T/d) coefficient, which means that the bigger the diameter of any given round relative to the thickness of the armor it is going to strike, the better the probability of achieving a penetration. Furthermore, if the diameter of the armor piercing round overmatches the thickness of the armor plate, the protection given by the inclination of the armor plate diminishes proportionally to the increase in the overmatch of the armor piercing round diameter or, in other words, to the increase in this T/d overmatch. So, when a Tiger hit a T-34, the 88 mm diameter of the Tiger's round overmatched the 45 mm glacis plate of the T-34 by so much that it made no difference that the Russian tank's glacis was inclined at an angle of 60 degrees from vertical.
Well, I learn something every day.
Wait, I wasn't imagining things. Turns out there are two different kinds of overmatches, one depending on caliber, and one depending on the actual penetration statistics.
QuoteShell Normalization
When a shell hits armor, and if it does not bounce/ricochet, it will dig in and try to penetrate at a 90 degree angle. Typically, it only increases the angle of attack by about 10 degrees.
Overmatch -- Shell Size
In WOT, overmatch is currently modeled so that when the caliber of the weapon is 3 times greater than the thickness of the armor, than overmatch (no chance to ricochet) occurs.
Overmatch -- Penetration
Wot adds an additional version over overmatch based upon when the shell's penetration is more than 2 times greater than the thickness of the armor. When this occurs, shell normalization is increased by an undisclosed amount.
So, no bonus to damage, just bonus reduction to ricochet chances on top of what is already afforded by the higher penetration stat.
I've been able to get JagdTiger for a while now, and I'm closing on E-100 but with the costs of the top tier tanks I can't even begin to think about getting the JT if I want the E-100 anytime soon. XP grind is a bitch, but credit grind is an epic bitch. :mad:
:huh: Go play your Lowe some more if you want credits.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 26, 2011, 03:37:34 PM
:huh: Go play your Lowe some more if you want credits.
Difference between E-75 and E-100 is about 4.5m. Best case scenario that's 45 games (more probably 60) with the Löwe for the credits alone. I don't have that kind of time these days.
One of those matches where I didn't feel totally impotent in a Priest, and boy, what a match that was. Still can't wait for when I get a real arty, the kind that can kill with brute force rather than surgeon's precision.
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And 4 kills the next game. :yeah: I think I'm getting a hang of the arty.
Quote from: DGuller on October 26, 2011, 06:30:03 PM
And 4 kills the next game. :yeah: I think I'm getting a hang of the arty.
Has anyone called you a cunt yet?
You aren't a master until someone calls you a cunt...
:weep:
Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2011, 07:02:36 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 26, 2011, 06:30:03 PM
And 4 kills the next game. :yeah: I think I'm getting a hang of the arty.
Has anyone called you a cunt yet?
You aren't a master until someone calls you a cunt...
One of my favorites was when this guy gave this whole spiel at the start of the match. He goes on and on about how each time he gets killed by arty he creates a sock account so he can TK a bunch of arty before getting banned. He's a lot less coherent than that though. Of course he's one of the first people killed, by arty, and we all happily bid him adieu.
Considering he'd have to play a few sock games just to get to the point where there is any arty (or spend money to buy an upper tier tank), I was tempted to TK him to make sure he spent more time in his socks.
Heh. I just got into a fight where the smallest tank was a Tiger II. 4 tier 10, 10 tier 9 and the lone tier 8 on each team. Dear GOD. :homestar:
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2011, 03:58:43 AM
Heh. I just got into a fight where the smallest tank was a Tiger II. 4 tier 10, 10 tier 9 and the lone tier 8 on each team. Dear GOD. :homestar:
Lol matchmaker. :rolleyes:
Quote from: DGuller on October 27, 2011, 06:29:31 AM
Quote from: Slargos on October 27, 2011, 03:58:43 AM
Heh. I just got into a fight where the smallest tank was a Tiger II. 4 tier 10, 10 tier 9 and the lone tier 8 on each team. Dear GOD. :homestar:
Lol matchmaker. :rolleyes:
I thought it was pretty rad. More like a clan match than a random. No SPGs either. Nirvana.
I am sooo happy when I get a no-arties match with my Ferdinand. I don't even care if I am not near the top. I can punish anything if I am not restricted in where I can stand still for more than 5 secs.
Quote from: Tamas on October 27, 2011, 07:19:23 AM
I am sooo happy when I get a no-arties match with my Ferdinand. I don't even care if I am not near the top. I can punish anything if I am not restricted in where I can stand still for more than 5 secs.
Yup. I'm having a lot more fun without SPGs because it becomes more of a game of tactical positioning to avoid the enemy tanks rather than random death raining from the sky, praying that the arty is focusing on someone other than you.
Some asshole on the Cliff map was blocking me for a couple of minutes, probably pissed about the minor collision at the start of the game. I guess eventually he decided that fighting the enemy would be nice, and peeked out from the cliff, while being right in front of me. He then came under fire from a couple of enemy tanks, so he had to retreat. Unfortunately, I could not move back in time. :whistle: :( His corpse did make for a nice cover, though.
Quote from: DGuller on October 27, 2011, 07:18:30 PM
Some asshole on the Cliff map was blocking me for a couple of minutes, probably pissed about the minor collision at the start of the game. I guess eventually he decided that fighting the enemy would be nice, and peeked out from the cliff, while being right in front of me. He then came under fire from a couple of enemy tanks, so he had to retreat. Unfortunately, I could not move back in time. :whistle: :( His corpse did make for a nice cover, though.
haha... on the same map a t-14 and I were playing peekaboo against an m7 (I was in a t-1) The t-14 was taking most of this hits and was down a whole bit. I have a finishing shot on the m7 so I took hit... idiot drives right across me and I kill him.... some people just do not think of the secondary effects of their actions.... Luckily though the penalty was small because he had so few hp left.
Got a sweet double header...Defender & Top Gun -- And 728 XP on a non-premium account/loss :menace:
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So who is this 'berkut4009'? An evil twin? :yuk:
Got my E-100 yesterday (decided on selling the JP and the Ferdi since their respective tree upgrades are so far off there's not much point in playing them given I need to grind for other tanks). So far it's a bit of a letdown. I think I'll start grinding for the IS-7 now.
With the new normalization rules the E-100 may become more interesting to play though.
That KV sure can rock, when it's at the top of the list. I just went up the road in Lakeville all on my own and just blasted away the enemies Rambo-style.
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Pretty much every time I shot someone, I one-shot them from 100% health, or crippled them to single digits and had someone else steal the kill. And I did all that after consuming a whole battle of red wine. :cheers: :yeah: I'm starting to think that Russian tanks are designed to be operated while drunk. :hmm:
I just had a hilarious game on campinovka.
I was top as IS and when 10-12 guys on our team assumed camping positions I realized I was in for a terrible fucking game, so I promptly drove over to the west side and started on a ninja scouting run.
The surprised defenders started shooting glancing shots at me, and the result was an epic turkey shoot that landed me 900xp simply for being within range of the fuckers as they got wiped out by our campers. I got one hit off before I was killed by their remaining TD on defense, but that didn't matter since my run cost them 8 vehicles. :D
Playing WoT made me respect Porsche as a company. They put in a lot of effort to ensure Allied victory in the war.
Wow, that 122mm gun sure transforms SU-100. Fired 8 shots, hit with all 8, and left 6 dead tanks and 1 wounded. :yeah:
Played with a "katmai" today. I doubt he was the same one, though. :hmm:
Quote from: Habbaku on November 09, 2011, 03:02:51 PM
Played with a "katmai" today. I doubt he was the same one, though. :hmm:
Was he AFK? If not, then he's not our katmai.
First two matches today, two Top Guns. :yeah: Unfortunately, both were earned by players on the other team. :pinch:
I think I found the ideal credit machine. The upgraded StuG is insanely cheap, has inexpensive ammo and packs a whallop. I'm routinely cracking in ~25k credits/match profit with it.
I think in general just about all the Tier V elited vehicles are pretty good credit machines. That seems to be the sweet spot. So what you are looking for there are T5 tanks that have a good gun, so they can punch above their weight when they end up in T8 matches.
StugIII
PZIV
are both good, because they have the 75L70 gun that can damage up into T7.
The M4 doesn't have quite as much pen, but has a ridiculous ROF. The KV of course has the rather insane for T5 107mm. I've never played it, but I would guess the SU-85 would also be a great credit generator.
KV is awesome. Now that I came back to it after having a lot more experience under my belt, I'm just raping with it when I'm put near the top. I don't know how much profit it makes, but it sure racks up kills. That 107mm gun is just uber-ridiculous for the tier.
Speaking of these guns, I really wish that the strongest gun on each tank would be the gun that was actually widely used. It sucks that most of the time you spend playing with a tank, you'll spend playing a fantasy version of the real thing. The tank with the real gun that was used is just a starter configuration, or at best an intermediate one.
Yeah, that actually bothered me a lot when I started playing.
I mean, the gun that made the Panther and JagdPanther famous is available on the PZ IV? WTF?
But eventually I had a brain shift to "WoT has little, if anything, to do with WW2. Just play it as a game in its own right, and quit worrying about it..." and that helped.
Because there is a LOT that will make anyone with more than passing familiarity with WW2 combat pull their hair out.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2011, 02:50:04 PM
Yeah, that actually bothered me a lot when I started playing.
...
Because there is a LOT that will make anyone with more than passing familiarity with WW2 combat pull their hair out.
And this is one of those times when I very happy to NOT be a WW2 nut :) I just enjoy the game and ignore any discrepancies :lmfao:
For the second time in my WoT career, my team won 15-0. That happened in, of all places, Campinovka. :lmfao: I take credit for the victory, since as a top ranking tank, I instructed three Type 59s to wolfpack. :smarty:
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2011, 09:03:00 AM
I think in general just about all the Tier V elited vehicles are pretty good credit machines. That seems to be the sweet spot. So what you are looking for there are T5 tanks that have a good gun, so they can punch above their weight when they end up in T8 matches.
StugIII
PZIV
are both good, because they have the 75L70 gun that can damage up into T7.
The M4 doesn't have quite as much pen, but has a ridiculous ROF. The KV of course has the rather insane for T5 107mm. I've never played it, but I would guess the SU-85 would also be a great credit generator.
The M4 is a T6 tank....?
No....?
Haha for whatever reason I was seeing 6's and not 4's sorry my pardon.
Are Russian TDs any good? I really like the American and German TDs, but have never tried the Russian ones.
Quote from: Kleves on November 13, 2011, 09:16:35 PM
Are Russian TDs any good? I really like the American and German TDs, but have never tried the Russian ones.
Depends on your style. They certainly can't stand any heat, but they often pack a lot of it.
Is it just me, or do higher tier tanks kill the motivation to play the game? I've tricked out my IS-3, put in 60k of XP towards IS-4, and I still have 100k XP to go. That translates to 150 battles. Just the thought of that makes me go "fuck it"; that's not fun anymore, that's just a grind.
Quote from: DGuller on November 16, 2011, 12:48:34 PM
Is it just me, or do higher tier tanks kill the motivation to play the game? I've tricked out my IS-3, put in 60k of XP towards IS-4, and I still have 100k XP to go. That translates to 150 battles. Just the thought of that makes me go "fuck it"; that's not fun anymore, that's just a grind.
A little bit. Which is why I play a bunch of different tanks.
I actually try to ignore the XP requirements for the "next" tank, and just play to have fun, increase my kill rate, etc.
However, I have enough XP for the IS-4 now, but nowhere near enough credits...
A bigger problem for me is my E-50. It is elite, and is a great tank. But the only thing I get for playing it is XP which I then have to pay cash to convert to free XP.
I would love to have the ability to convert my elite XP to credits instead, for example....
I've pretty much stopped playing, although I might pick it up again at some later point. The GW Tiger was dull as dishwater, even though I had a pretty good record with it. Firing around 3 shots every two minutes and not having near the maneuverability of the GW Panther didn't hold my interest. I tried getting into TDs and I've been grinding the German Meds for a while. Both were fun but not as fun as Arty.
You guys might want to try the Thanksgiving Special. I just got 7,550XP in a single match with my PIV. :showoff:
I just got 3400 xp in my SU-26. Yeah, I'm playing the other Arty lines now. The SU-26 is a monster. I don't see why it isn't considered ridiculously overpowered.
Quote from: frunk on November 24, 2011, 07:34:05 PM
I just got 3400 xp in my SU-26. Yeah, I'm playing the other Arty lines now. The SU-26 is a monster. I don't see why it isn't considered ridiculously overpowered.
It is the SU-x that makes it not OP.
Quote from: frunk on November 24, 2011, 07:34:05 PM
I just got 3400 xp in my SU-26. Yeah, I'm playing the other Arty lines now. The SU-26 is a monster. I don't see why it isn't considered ridiculously overpowered.
Yeah, I'm on that one as well. Really ridiculously overpowered when matched with the lower tiers. I actually have way more success with it when I play it like a Wolverine, a TD with a turret, than as an arty.
That SU-152 is sweet. It's a bit of a bitch to get it into a favorable situation, but when you shoot at someone, you know you're going to hurt them. It's like a derp KV, only much more practical.
My T28 with the monster gun is really growing on me.
I actually like that I have to be pretty thinking about how to use it. It is the exact opposite of a tank like the E-50, that is well rounded and capable in multiple situations. The T28 has a pretty narrow useability range, but oh when it gets into the right spot at the right time, it is freaking awesome.
Quote from: DGuller on November 27, 2011, 03:08:47 AM
That SU-152 is sweet. It's a bit of a bitch to get it into a favorable situation, but when you shoot at someone, you know you're going to hurt them. It's like a derp KV, only much more practical.
With the gold ammo sale that is on now, I've used part of my clan wars payout to buy 100 rounds of gold 152. Oh boy. 225 pen ammo with 750 damage at Tier 7. Feels like a McDonald's commercial. I'm lovin' it.
I think I had the longest run in my history of losing/tied games last night. The first four tanks I played all were on winning sides right off the bat. The last three lost or tied 12 times in a row. A few times I had great matches and my team just melted away. Some of the others I'd get tracked and then blown up early on. It really felt like I was getting put on stupid teams intentionally. Once I finally won on one of those three tanks it only took three more matches to win on the other two.
I returned to this in the last 3 days and I am having the worst fucking run of defeats I have ever had. Worst of all, that I am not that bad, I have decent kills, gathering in achievements etc. Yet my teams lose, lose, lose.
Just this last game I saw 2 IS-4s and other high tiered tanks stand in ceremony while a T-54 raced past through them, taking potshots at it, but refusing to move from their sweet spot on an open hilltop, despite the enemy having 2 GW Tigers. Or on Kampinowka, first half of my team impales itself on the enemy line by going at them one after the other from the front, then the rest just stares into the abyss while I alone in my Ferdi attempt to fend off 6 enemy tanks coming in from the forest. Just WTF.
:ultra:
and just now, starting at the top of the mines map with my Ferdie. Like, 4 of our tanks, bundle together behind that rock right next to our flag, and camp the whole game, for who knows what reason, while most of the rest races down to the light tower, leaving the hilltop and the town to the enemy. Of course we are raped, because the light tower guys also start to camp and stare into emptiness from there. I was fending of a quarter of the enemy team from the sniping hill of our half - not much hope of course. WTF
Having a high tier tank used to protect one (somewhat) from masses of imbeciles. The game has been out long enough that people who haven't invested in premium accounts are now getting higher tiered tanks. In general, if one is investing money into a game, I would expect him to be a little better at it. As a result, I think you're seeing the 43 and 44% win raters finally getting stuck in battles where their inability to properly play a high tier tank is killing their teams.
I refuse to play pugs without a platoon anymore in any tank other than my artillery.
There is a special starting tomorrow that allows you to buy equipment at a 50% discount. About time it's on again, I need a stabilizer and some optics.
Quote from: Stonewall on December 03, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
Having a high tier tank used to protect one (somewhat) from masses of imbeciles. The game has been out long enough that people who haven't invested in premium accounts are now getting higher tiered tanks.
I generally expect the reverse. People who invest money advance through the tiers faster, and don't take the time to learn the tactics as well as someone who has to get through many more games to advance. They end up in the higher tiers without as much experience. I saw that in my own play, with the anniversary premium special I didn't particularly care if I did well. The 50% bonus meant even a losing battle was a considerable gain compared to my normal rates. It encouraged me to whip through as many games as I could instead of taking my time to do well in the ones I played. The number of clueless Type 59, Lowe and KV-5 drivers only reinforces the point.
Quote from: frunk on December 03, 2011, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on December 03, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
Having a high tier tank used to protect one (somewhat) from masses of imbeciles. The game has been out long enough that people who haven't invested in premium accounts are now getting higher tiered tanks.
I generally expect the reverse. People who invest money advance through the tiers faster, and don't take the time to learn the tactics as well as someone who has to get through many more games to advance. They end up in the higher tiers without as much experience. I saw that in my own play, with the anniversary premium special I didn't particularly care if I did well. The 50% bonus meant even a losing battle was a considerable gain compared to my normal rates. It encouraged me to whip through as many games as I could instead of taking my time to do well in the ones I played. The number of clueless Type 59, Lowe and KV-5 drivers only reinforces the point.
Yes I agree.
And the Type-59s annoy me to no end. I sold my IS-3 because I am not playing that much anymore and I have my Ferdie for high-tier heavy-ish action. But I hated the Types while in my IS-3. To have a tank which is faster, smaller, better armored, probably also bigger-puncher than my heavy be on the same tier is infuriating.
Is it just me, or are games on the weekend infested with high tier arty and high tier tanks in general?
Jesus, I'm having the most frustrating night yet. It just seems like time after time after time, if I play a tier 7/8 heavy, I'm getting matchmaking from hell. And I keep losing time after time after time. It's not like I'm the problem, I do more than my share of killing, but it just seems like I can never get on the winning team. Surely this can't be more than just random bad luck, but how long can a bad luck string last?
Is it just me or is the USSR medium line a humongous pain in the ass? I want the T-54 but so far the T-34and the T-34-85 have been massive let downs and probably the most dreary grinds I've been faced with yet. I can barely get myself to play the daily doubles with the T-34-85.
Quote from: Slargos on December 04, 2011, 04:44:35 PM
Is it just me or is the USSR medium line a humongous pain in the ass? I want the T-54 but so far the T-34and the T-34-85 have been massive let downs and probably the most dreary grinds I've been faced with yet. I can barely get myself to play the daily doubles with the T-34-85.
The T-34-85 is a decent t6 med, once you mount the 100 mm. I had the gun researched from the heavy line, which greatly helped lessen the grind. The tank feels very sluggisch though, or at least that's my impression. I still have stock engine and suspension, so maybe there will be some room for improvement, but with a mere 20 PS more on the second engine I really doubt it.
The T-34 however was no fun at all, especially when compared to its brilliant t5 competitors Sherman and the Panzer IV. Well, at least it is an improvement over the turd that is the T-28...
Quote from: Slargos on December 04, 2011, 04:44:35 PM
Is it just me or is the USSR medium line a humongous pain in the ass? I want the T-54 but so far the T-34and the T-34-85 have been massive let downs and probably the most dreary grinds I've been faced with yet. I can barely get myself to play the daily doubles with the T-34-85.
Agreed, and it sounds like things don't get better with T-43. I have given up on the Soviet medium line for now.
Quote from: DGuller on December 04, 2011, 05:29:28 PM
Quote from: Slargos on December 04, 2011, 04:44:35 PM
Is it just me or is the USSR medium line a humongous pain in the ass? I want the T-54 but so far the T-34and the T-34-85 have been massive let downs and probably the most dreary grinds I've been faced with yet. I can barely get myself to play the daily doubles with the T-34-85.
Agreed, and it sounds like things don't get better with T-43. I have given up on the Soviet medium line for now.
From the looks of it, the T-44 is the first palatable USSR medium. All respect to the people who've suffered that grind.
Damn, I forgot how much fun T29 that's properly equipped can be. Now that I bought vertical stabilizer and gun-laying drive for it, which I have originally moved to the Tiger II to no avail, I'm owning again. In close quarter combat, you don't even have to wait to aim, just point and fire.
Quote from: Malicious Intent on December 04, 2011, 05:07:45 PM
Well, at least it is an improvement over the turd that is the T-28...
I loved the T-28. With the 85mm gun it can really do some damage. It
is inaccurate as hell, but devastating at close range.
I downloaded the public beta again. Yet again I see a bunch of Russians saying virulent stuff about Americans, assuming that players with _US after their names can't understand Russian. These people have quite a chip on their shoulders.
I just ran out of AP ammo for my IS-3. That's a first. :D
1300xp and stopped an entire advance cold solo with 4 kills and 4 damaged.
Finally scraped up enough pennies to buy my IS-4. Already had the BL-9 researched for it of course, and it is a very, very nice tank.
I have the new turret researched, but actually cannot afford the 61k credits to buy it...
I'm also low on credits after Winter Offensive shopping spree, so I bought myself a cheap premium tank to replenish the credits. I settled on B2. Boy, that tank is ridiculous, now I know how the Germans were feeling in France. I'm literally getting 2 kill per match on average. It almost feels like cheating playing it.
I thought you had a Lowe? How is the B2 at generating credits?
Quote from: Berkut on December 11, 2011, 10:28:38 AM
I thought you had a Lowe? How is the B2 at generating credits?
I sold Lowe long time ago. I found it extremely non-fun tank to play. The B2 is pretty good at generating credits for its tier, I'd say it averages about 20k-25k profit.
More than profit, though, the tank just brings you back to the time when you didn't have 4 tier 7 artillery pieces waiting to flatten you the moment you register in the battle.
I'm considering selling my Löwe aswell. I'm itching to get a Type 59 as a credit-hoarder replacement. Looks like a fun tank.
Ugh, I'm so tired of all the Type 59s in the battles. If there's any tier 8s there are usually 3-4 59s at least.
Quote from: frunk on December 11, 2011, 01:09:56 PM
Ugh, I'm so tired of all the Type 59s in the battles. If there's any tier 8s there are usually 3-4 59s at least.
yes. FU Slargos
Type 59s were definitely a mistake. They're way overpowered for their tier. They should've had the same tier as T-54, from which they are derived. Yes, they suck compared to the real thing, but premium tanks should suck for their tier.
In one battle with my B2, I've taken 39 hits, and survived almost all of them.
Yep, B2 is that ridiculous. That's my fourth Top Gun in it in about 50 games.
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If I didn't run out of AP ammo, I would've killed the last remaining arty that got me. The HE ammo is shit for that tank.
Quote from: DGuller on December 11, 2011, 05:51:34 PM
Yep, B2 is that ridiculous. That's my fourth Top Gun in it in about 50 games.
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If I didn't run out of AP ammo, I would've killed the last remaining arty that got me. The HE ammo is shit for that tank.
Wait, who was that who killed you?
:lmfao:
Quote from: frunk on December 12, 2011, 12:02:04 AM
Wait, who was that who killed you?
The lone survivor arty that direct shotted me while I was plinking it with HE shells.
Whoosh.
That arty shot was not a whoosh, unfortunately. What am I missing, other than arty's weak spot?
Quote from: DGuller on December 12, 2011, 02:39:30 AM
That arty shot was not a whoosh, unfortunately. What am I missing, other than arty's weak spot?
The nickname of your killer.
:face: :lmfao:
I remember that match because most of my shots were missing but the team was doing ok until it all fell apart midgame. I nailed a B2 fairly early for 30-40% but then didn't get a clean shot at them until right at the end when it was far too late.
That really is fucking awesome. What are the odds?
I actually checked to see if frunk had edited the SS or something.
I honestly didn't even notice during the match that it was DGuller. It would have been even cooler if we were the last two tanks.
Ahahaaaaa.
Toe to toe vs IS-4, JagdTiger, Tiger II, Objekt 704 and a smattering of lesser fuckers. Armed with nothing but my Trusty IS-3 BL-9 and a platoon of SPGs.
Result?
Victory!
Battle: Steppes 15. desember 2011 21:57:26
Vehicle: IS-3
Experience received: 2 067
Credits received: 66 246
Battle Achievements: Sniper
Enjoying 0.7? Overall I think it's an improvement. The SU-26 seems somewhat reined in, and targeting's trickier but not unrewarding. Even then it's still probably the best of the tier 3 artillery. Reading the boards it's hilarious how many people are moaning how they gimped this or that tank, mostly the ones that were ridiculously overpowered in the first place.
So artillery means like SPGs and tank destroyers?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 16, 2011, 04:43:01 PM
So artillery means like SPGs and tank destroyers?
Just SPGs. Tank destroys aren't referred to as artillery.
The background pic at the World of Tanks (http://worldoftanks.com/) website is seriously weirding me out.
Santa is riding in a German SPG? Sure. :rolleyes:
With T1 reindeer complete with antlers and christmas lights strung between them.
I've had a couple of fresh aha moments in the last few days.
The first realization is that you should really zoom before firing always, if at all possible. I used to just zoom in when taking distance shots, for fear of losing situational awareness, or for taking an extra half a second. However, being aware that the tank is still aiming at you because you missed his weak spot has limited utility.
The second aha moment is that when in doubt, aim for the lower glacis plate. It seems like even the most fearsome tanks for whatever reason have a really weak spot there, and that weak spot is quite large.
When you fire, do you just aim at the spot you want to hit, or do you need to compensate for the fall of shot?
That need to aim above your target made targetting basically impossible in Panzer Commander.
Unless it has been changed it auto-compensates for the fall. Unfortunately, that means that when you are leading your target you are actually aiming at the scenery behind your crosshairs which can be quite far away form the target.
That's correct.
Damn, having been away from WoT a couple months, I forgot how crappy the Pzkfw III/IV was. And now I read HEs are getting nerfed. Good grief.
Yeah, I'm now not loading any HE rounds in any of my tanks, unless they're equipped with a howitzer (in which case all the ammo is HE).
I've been testing the 7.1 beta for the last couple of hours. First impression: Russians are still assholes. Second impression: French tanks are all guns wrapped in tin foil. It seems like even the heaviest tanks are just upgunned BT-7s. The tier X French heavy has 30 mm of side armor. :lmfao:
I came to a conclusion that I really dislike playing French tanks. There is not a lot of finesse to it: you just pop out and go bam-bam-bam-bam-bam-bam, and then race to a hiding place to wait for a minute while your autoloader drum is reloaded. If anyone looks at your sternly while you're in the wild shooting phase, you're dead.
Having a bit of a fun crisis lately, smashing my head repeatedly against the matchmaker.
So I've decided to re-buy a Marder II, equip my old Trollcannon and use the little gold I had to get a Pz B2 740 (f). Having a lot more fun now. I only run my usual tanks for the daily double.
They're not letting anyone buy the Type 59 anymore in order to assure gameplay balance. Now they just need to get rid of all the existing Type 59s...
Quote from: Kleves on January 12, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
They're not letting anyone buy the Type 59 anymore in order to assure gameplay balance. Now they just need to get rid of all the existing Type 59s...
:w00t: Really? That's fucking great.
In reality I don't mind people being able to buy tanks, but there should be more upper tier variety to them and for a given tier/cost a roughly equal money earning potential.
That way we won't get the monotony of seeing the same tanks again and again.
Heck, I liked the idea someone had of letting you pay gold to make regular tanks into premium, increasing their earning potential.
Just got 8 kills in a single match, my most ever. I was in my: Tetrarch. :lol:
I have not really played much at all.
FIrst reason is SWOL of course.
Second reason is that they patch broke my gunsight mod, and I am too lazy to go find another one or a patched version of what I have, and hate playing without it.
Play without hacks, like a man. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2012, 08:32:25 PM
I have not really played much at all.
FIrst reason is SWOL of course.
Second reason is that they patch broke my gunsight mod, and I am too lazy to go find another one or a patched version of what I have, and hate playing without it.
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I have to say, I really dig the IS-4, and I haven't even gotten the 130 mm gun yet. It's the most badass brawler yet. In most situations you can just charge with it, and odds are you'll deal a lot more punishment to others than others will deal to you. The only downside is that it doesn't have the Soviet "heavy medium" feel like the previous IS tanks, but it's a small price to pay.
Is anyone still playing this? This thread is deader than Berkut on the 2nd minute of the match.
I am, actually since you waxed eloquent about the IS-4. Made me want to go play it some more, so I did. It really is a great tank, especially with that 130mm gun...
Playing WoT gave me a yen to revisit Panzer General and Panzer General 2, so I've been playing through them. Doing a no planes run-through in PG2 right now.
I'm still playing as well...but since I'm too cheap to actually spend any cash, my rate of advancement is very slow... :lmfao:
But it's still fun and great way to kill a quick 10-15 minutes.
I still play once in a while. I tried platoons yesterday for the first time, with a workmate. He's rather bad and only up to Pz 38. I tried to teach him to stay alive and scout for my Marder, with some success (we won most rounds and I got a Top Gun in a particularly enjoyable one. All in all, great fun.
I just got 8 kills with the trollcannon in a tier V battle at Siegfried line. The last enemy Marder cowardly decided not to show up and time ran out. :shifty:
Haven't played this in months. Got bored with Skyrim, saw this thread & went to log on and BAM -- had to DL a gig & a half upgrade. Heh. I guess I'll find out what that's all about...
Man, it's been so long that I'm REALLY going to suck...
:p
Heh. First game back was a two-kill performance (which I survived) in my Stug. Sweet...
Ahh, rediscovering the joys of getting a track blown off of my PzIII/IV by gravel spray from the tank in front of me. Good Times...
:ccr
Finished grinding on my Stug so that I could buy the Jagdpaner IV for half price. The increased hit points rock, but the starting gun is frickin' painful. My first game in the thing I got Sharpshooter without scratching the paint on a single enemy tank... :p
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 29, 2012, 12:56:08 PM
Finished grinding on my Stug so that I could buy the Jagdpaner IV for half price. The increased hit points rock, but the starting gun is frickin' painful. My first game in the thing I got Sharpshooter without scratching the paint on a single enemy tank... :p
The guns on that will remain comperatively weak, especially considering that you are used to the awesomnesses which are the previous 3 German TDs. But it has good armor and HP and can hide very well. Just adopt to being a hidden support gun, and not a one-man killing machine.
And then you shall progress to the Jagdpanther which, when maxed out, is one awesome vehicle.
Now that was a fun match....got Reaper, Top Gun and Sniper
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So which is the better gun on the Hetzer? The 7.5cm or the 10.5cm? Looks like 10.5 has 3x the damage, but a lot less penetration....
Quote from: Arvoreen on January 30, 2012, 10:51:02 PM
So which is the better gun on the Hetzer? The 7.5cm or the 10.5cm? Looks like 10.5 has 3x the damage, but a lot less penetration....
The 10.5cm :) Oh, what a gun. It has enough damage that you don't have to worry about penetration. Load only HE shells, and enjoy the ride. :cool:
Not anymore. After the HE nerf you need to hit weakpoints or penetrate to do significant damage.
Quote from: Arvoreen on January 30, 2012, 10:19:06 PM
Now that was a fun match....got Reaper, Top Gun and Sniper
You got ~1000 XP after killing 7 enemies? Did you kill them after they surrendered?
Quote from: DGuller on January 31, 2012, 10:57:38 AM
Quote from: Arvoreen on January 30, 2012, 10:19:06 PM
Now that was a fun match....got Reaper, Top Gun and Sniper
You got ~1000 XP after killing 7 enemies? Did you kill them after they surrendered?
Alas, I'm a cheap bastard and don't pay for 'premium account'.
Quote from: Tamas on January 30, 2012, 02:47:48 AM
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 29, 2012, 12:56:08 PM
Finished grinding on my Stug so that I could buy the Jagdpaner IV for half price. The increased hit points rock, but the starting gun is frickin' painful. My first game in the thing I got Sharpshooter without scratching the paint on a single enemy tank... :p
The guns on that will remain comperatively weak, especially considering that you are used to the awesomnesses which are the previous 3 German TDs. But it has good armor and HP and can hide very well. Just adopt to being a hidden support gun, and not a one-man killing machine.
And then you shall progress to the Jagdpanther which, when maxed out, is one awesome vehicle.
I'm about 1500 xp from getting the 88 -- I'm hoping that will be an upgrade from the long 75, with which I can hit a gnat's ass flying but can't penetrate a hooker with a fistful of Franklins...
:(
In other news, an anecdote that I can't get out of my head: In my last game in the Stug, I was hiding in cover, minding my own business when one of our scouts lit up an enemy Wespe. Moving away from me. Uphill. Blooped a 105 HE round into his open cuppola and, well, Easiest. Kill. Evah. Strange how this game works out sometimes. It's a lot like golf -- even when you have a shitty game, there's always that one shot that brings you back...
:ccr
The 105mm (OK, 10.5cm, whatever) in the Hetzer was Teh Awesome. That was the rig where I got my only Top Gun, which was a game in Ruinberg where I just couldn't miss -- The Enemy was particularily inept that evening, blundering into the muzzle flash of my wholesome, HE'y goodness & shit. Good Times...
:ccr
Did I say that I really love my IS-4? In my 59 games with it, I got 9 Steel Walls. My armor is my cover. :)
Damn, I faced about 8 tanks by myself on one level, although I had some support from the hill nearby. It took them 29 hits to kill my IS-4, and those were mostly from tier 8 and 9, and I nearly made it if it weren't for the last Type 59 that survived. Got 2100 XP from that battle and a Confederate.
SU-152 with a 122 mm gun really rocks. Same gun as the IS, but more accurate with nearly double the firing rate. :yeah:
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I almost had my first "YOU ARE TEH FUKKN NOOB" spazz attack just now. Arctic Region in my Jagdpanther, bunch of Tier V medium chickenshits left me out alone on the left to die. Have the 88/L71, but no upgraded suspension or armor, so I was fucked. By the time that I realized that they were leaving me out to dry it was too late to back up. Oh, well. I didn't stick around to see how that chickenshit Sherman fared against that T29...
:p
Is the 10.5/L52 worth my time in my Jagdpanther, or should I just save the creds?
Not only is it worth your time, it is pretty much the entire fucking point of the JagdPanther.
Alrighty then. I had just heard conflicting opinions & thought that I would ask somebody a little more, well, friendly...
:P
So you came to Languish? smooth move hoss
Indeed...
:ccr
And yeah, the 105 seems to break things nicely...
:cool:
I'm slowly going up the US medium tank tree since coming back to game.
I came back, but I don't know for how long.
The game basically forces you to buy a gold tank to advance in the upper tiers. I am going to need 2 million credits to get an E-75, and I break even overall with my IS-4 or Tiger-2. They say you can play mid-tier tanks to make credits, which is true, but that kind of sucks since what do you do when you level out of them? I've been doing that, and now can drive a bunch of high tier tanks I cannot afford, rather than just 1 or 2.
So that means you pretty much have to just grind away in some T5 tank without ever intending to move beyond it to make enough credits to buy a new T9 much less T10.
This used to be alleviated by their "specials" where you could make a lot of creds on bonus vehicles, but I think they realized that was letting people actually buy high Tier tanks without a gold tank, so they stopped that.
Still a lot of fun to play, but there is no way I am going to just grind away in a PzIV for hours to be able to buy a IS-7 some day. I already pay for a premium account, that should be enough.
Mostly playing my Jagdpanther, but also hit my VK3001H pretty heavy -- it's the first med that I've actually had fun playing & not just been grinding it to get something else. And I still have a Leopard, a Wespe & a Pz38nA for LOL material. I also have the VK3601 unlocked, so at some point I'll pick one up so that I can grind for a Tiger. Fun, fun, fun...
Quote from: Berkut on February 20, 2012, 11:26:52 PM
I came back, but I don't know for how long.
The game basically forces you to buy a gold tank to advance in the upper tiers. I am going to need 2 million credits to get an E-75, and I break even overall with my IS-4 or Tiger-2. They say you can play mid-tier tanks to make credits, which is true, but that kind of sucks since what do you do when you level out of them? I've been doing that, and now can drive a bunch of high tier tanks I cannot afford, rather than just 1 or 2.
So that means you pretty much have to just grind away in some T5 tank without ever intending to move beyond it to make enough credits to buy a new T9 much less T10.
This used to be alleviated by their "specials" where you could make a lot of creds on bonus vehicles, but I think they realized that was letting people actually buy high Tier tanks without a gold tank, so they stopped that.
Still a lot of fun to play, but there is no way I am going to just grind away in a PzIV for hours to be able to buy a IS-7 some day. I already pay for a premium account, that should be enough.
I'm still making some money with IS-4. Probably not enough to buy me an IS-7 once I research it, but I'm running a profit nonetheless, even while getting a Steel Wall seemingly every second game.
I break even on my IS-4 for all practical purposes. But that means that I don't play it much, since I don't want to break even, I want to earn enough to pay for a IS-7 some day! Which means I play more matches in vehicles that can consistently turn a positive cred income, like the PZIV and M40/M43 and such. Which I don't like to play as much, so I get bored and quit for a while.
I'm also feeling the Credit Crunch pain (which is why I was asking about the 88 vs. the 105), but hey -- you can't put a price tag on killing people & breaking shit...
For cheap bastards like me that don't even pay for a premium account, getting the funds to buy the higher tier tanks is almost impossible. I barely can break even on my M41 or T25....
However, even saying that, I'm still having fun getting on for a few quick battles each night. I *really* like the fact that you only really have to commit to 15 minute (or less) intervals. Makes it easy to get into a battle, have fun...then go do something else (like set the table or some other thing my wife wants ;)).
Quote from: Berkut on February 21, 2012, 01:51:04 AM
I break even on my IS-4 for all practical purposes. But that means that I don't play it much, since I don't want to break even, I want to earn enough to pay for a IS-7 some day! Which means I play more matches in vehicles that can consistently turn a positive cred income, like the PZIV and M40/M43 and such. Which I don't like to play as much, so I get bored and quit for a while.
I don't even know if I'm going to get an IS-7. What's the challenge there? It's elite from the start, and there is nothing to accomplish by beating up on lower tiers. I'd like to be able to buy it, but I don't think I would ever get around to actually buying it.
The problem I'm having is that the kids wait until I click "Battle" before they make my wife crazy -- she's stuck dealing with them until it's over... :P
Quote from: C.C.R. on February 21, 2012, 01:29:43 PM
The problem I'm having is that the kids wait until I click "Battle" before they make my wife crazy -- she's stuck dealing with them until it's over... :P
You've trained them well.
Quote from: DGuller on February 21, 2012, 01:29:16 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 21, 2012, 01:51:04 AM
I break even on my IS-4 for all practical purposes. But that means that I don't play it much, since I don't want to break even, I want to earn enough to pay for a IS-7 some day! Which means I play more matches in vehicles that can consistently turn a positive cred income, like the PZIV and M40/M43 and such. Which I don't like to play as much, so I get bored and quit for a while.
I don't even know if I'm going to get an IS-7. What's the challenge there? It's elite from the start, and there is nothing to accomplish by beating up on lower tiers. I'd like to be able to buy it, but I don't think I would ever get around to actually buying it.
Yeah, I here you. It is kind of like my E-50 - it is freaking awesome to play, but it is just kind of missing something, since there isn't anything to look forward to.
And that is my point in general in regards to the story that you play mid-tiers to pay for high. Well, I like playing mid-tiers, but you know what happens? I play them, and elite them, and then what? Just keep on playing them, wracking up XP I can't use without spending MORE money?
That is why I have a T29 how, and no idea how to pay for a T32! And a SU-85! Etc., etc.
Hell, I abandoned the German TD line after the JagdPanther since I knew I would never be able to afford a Ferd.
What I would like is an E-75 - that is my next "major" purchase, but I suspect it won't ever happen. Or at least no time remotely soon.
Still, the game is a lot of fun to play anyway.
Effective immediately, I am putting a 1 million fake internet dollar bounty on each & every one of those little AMX fuckers that you kill. Just PM you RL name, SS# (or equiv), bank account number & routing number & I will be sure to, uh, pay you...
:shifty:
Which AMX fuckers? The 38/40 ones, or the 13-75/13-90 ones? I assume that you don't mean 12t, since no one can get annoyed by it except the poor guy driving it.
Quote from: DGuller on February 21, 2012, 04:55:04 PM
Which AMX fuckers? The 38/40 ones, or the 13-75/13-90 ones? I assume that you don't mean 12t, since no one can get annoyed by it except the poor guy driving it.
The more advanced ones are much more annoying granted, but 12 appears to be quite a good light tank.
13-75/13-90 mostly, although the 12t pisses me off, too. Not worth the 2,000 creds it takes to kill them (assuming I don't miss, of course)...
:P
I've found if I start worrying about credits I do worse in the game. Conserving shots is good if you are trying to hide your presence or you are waiting for a better shot to present itself. Conserving shots because you don't want to spend the money means you'll leave the opposition alive to shoot at you, costing you the savings of not shooting them in the first place.
Quote from: frunk on February 21, 2012, 06:03:06 PM
I've found if I start worrying about credits I do worse in the game. Conserving shots is good if you are trying to hide your presence or you are waiting for a better shot to present itself. Conserving shots because you don't want to spend the money means you'll leave the opposition alive to shoot at you, costing you the savings of not shooting them in the first place.
Yeah, I agree. I use whatever I can use to kill as many enemy fucks as I can, and I wait to do the accounting until after the battle.
I played today for the first time in ages. Got the 5x exp on all tanks and then got a few more battles on IS, 12t and the Trollcannon truck. Generally tried not to rush so much and had quite a few successes.
Got a 5k exp first battle (w/o premium) with the KV-152 on a tier IX match right after getting another Top Gun in Campinovka where we lost despite my 7 one-shot kills.
The first IS victory was also interesting: I was duelling a Tiger in the flat opening by the Abbey. Got 2 well aimed shots in, while he missed a couple. He panicked and fell back and I could not advance without exposing myself even more. I was thus about to disengage when half my team, who I believed was still camping back, decided to join in and we overrun the enemy.
Quote from: Tamas on February 21, 2012, 05:07:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 21, 2012, 04:55:04 PM
Which AMX fuckers? The 38/40 ones, or the 13-75/13-90 ones? I assume that you don't mean 12t, since no one can get annoyed by it except the poor guy driving it.
The more advanced ones are much more annoying granted, but 12 appears to be quite a good light tank.
Yeah I like my 12t. It's fun closing in on a heavy and unloading 6 shots at his back. You don't even need to circle the fuckers. It's also very dangerous in the rare occasions where there are few high tier enemies. And it makes good money. I'm looking forward to the 13-75 and 13-90.
I am facing a short-term dilemma. Last month or so two of my friends started this and I have been re-climbing the ladders with them, as a result I have a bunch of tanks.
Right now, I am 20k exp from my Jagdtiger - due to the aformentioned situation, I only did daily doubles with my beloved Ferdie for quite a while. I could buy the Jagdtiger by selling the Ferdie, but it would take all my credits.
HOWEVER, I have either unlocked, or will pretty soon unlock:
-VK3001H, in a low priority climb toward the Panther
-T-25
-I am also 20k xp from my Pershing, but I have come to love the T-20, and a friend will have his own soon, so I am not so urgent on this switch.
Speaking of the T-20, my love-hate relationship with is turning into clear love :wub: I can still maneuver myself into quick death when I am not paying attention, but flexibility, the speed, the firepower... awesome. You can be such a major annoyance, and decide battles if not on the bottom third of the list.
EDIT: so the dilemma is of course: Jagdtiger, or T-25 and VK3001H?
Well, the new European special seems to have decided it. 5X XP from Friday 'til Monday. I just have to buy the two cheaper tank instead of the single expensive one, and farm them.
Quote from: Tamas on February 23, 2012, 08:12:12 AM
Well, the new European special seems to have decided it. 5X XP from Friday 'til Monday. I just have to buy the two cheaper tank instead of the single expensive one, and farm them.
Lolwut?
Shit that means I'll finally unlock the VK3600H and the 13t-75 -- and I don't have any money. :weep:
well, 5X XP for the first victories, obviously :P Still a very very nice special.
But also 50% off gold ammo, so prepare for highly annoying shots from tanks which aren't supposed to hurt you.
Heh. I don't have any high tier tank so that won't happen that much.
My highest is IS.
In tier VI I have a KV-1s and KV-3 (though the second will be elited during the weekend and thus left to rot until the Russian patch gives me another slot).
In V a SU-85, which hopefully will be close to the magnificent 107mm by Monday, a Trollcannon truck, a Pzkfw III/IV and a 12t.
Finally my fun-only B2 and Marder II.
I'm really getting into the little 12t.
Last battle at Mountain Pass I held one flank, bagged a T29 and a Churchill, seriously hurt a Tiger, a T-50 and a DB and generally proved to be a nuisance.
Whatever happened to the KV redo?
I've been hanging onto that thing for a rather long time now...
Quote from: Berkut on February 23, 2012, 12:41:56 PM
Whatever happened to the KV redo?
I've been hanging onto that thing for a rather long time now...
I think Soviet line is redone in 7.3.
Huh? What about 7.2 then?
Quote from: Iormlund on February 23, 2012, 02:21:34 PM
Huh? What about 7.2 then?
It's going to be released before 7.3.
Looks like the Grille is going to be half-priced this weekend -- perfect opportunity for me to upgrade my Wespe. It's been elited forever, but I could never be bothered to upgrade...
:ccr
Cool, I just killed a Jagdtiger with my Jagdpanther. The shot square in the ass didn't penetrate, but somehow the shot in front penetrated & set him on fire. I love this TD -- I set so many enemy tanks on fire that I've started wetting the bed...
:P
Started :yeahright:
Last night, I SOLOED a STUG III with my MARDER.
Granted, for a bit he was shooting at other targets he deemed to be more dangerous (very wrong, as they never even hit him), but the fact remains fact: I soloed a STUG III in a tiny little Marder
WORSHIP ME!
Quote from: Tamas on February 24, 2012, 02:38:22 AM
Last night, I SOLOED a STUG III with my MARDER.
Granted, for a bit he was shooting at other targets he deemed to be more dangerous (very wrong, as they never even hit him), but the fact remains fact: I soloed a STUG III in a tiny little Marder
WORSHIP ME!
Meh, Marder can shoot a lot of people as long as those people aren't shooting back at it. It was the original glass cannon, before French tanks arrived.
yes but I kept dodging him when he was shooting :P
The Marder II is the strongest vehicle relative to it's tier. Period.
Quote from: Tamas on February 24, 2012, 08:32:49 AM
yes but I kept dodging him when he was shooting :P
The Marder II is the strongest vehicle relative to it's tier. Period.
Nah, the KV still has that distinction, IMO.
Quote from: Berkut on February 24, 2012, 09:21:19 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 24, 2012, 08:32:49 AM
yes but I kept dodging him when he was shooting :P
The Marder II is the strongest vehicle relative to it's tier. Period.
Nah, the KV still has that distinction, IMO.
Not sure. I can get into matches where I have troubles with in KV (soloing). I just simply don't with Marder. The difference is marginal though, I agree.
Quote from: Tamas on February 24, 2012, 09:23:56 AM
Quote from: Berkut on February 24, 2012, 09:21:19 AM
Quote from: Tamas on February 24, 2012, 08:32:49 AM
yes but I kept dodging him when he was shooting :P
The Marder II is the strongest vehicle relative to it's tier. Period.
Nah, the KV still has that distinction, IMO.
Not sure. I can get into matches where I have troubles with in KV (soloing). I just simply don't with Marder. The difference is marginal though, I agree.
The difference with the KV is that if it is top tier, not only can it destroy most of the stuff on the battlefield with one shot, it is very hard to take out as well. Which means you can act very agressively.
The Marder when it is top tier can destroy everything, but is vulnerable itself, so still have to a be pretty careful. Against anyone who knows what they are doing, it is harder, IMO, to apply the Marders awesome T5 gun.
Yes, but: if you are a KV at or near the top you are also:
-slow
-have the utmost attention of the whole crowd
-arties love you
sure, you are prety hard to knock down, but just as a guy who knows what he is doing can take out a Marder easily, there are ways to annoy a KV, too.
Don't get me wrong, I also keep a KV around for fun. But the Marder is more the ultimate sniper than the KV is the ultimate brute, even if marginally so.
I have to agree with Berkut here.
I have around 80 battles with Marder II, over 250 with KV. In my experience both can influence battles while being low tier, but a KV will regularly wipe the floor with your average WoT player when on top - the Marder is too fragile for that. In my last KV battle at Campinova for example I simply rushed 2 minutes in, one-shot 4 enemies (2 KV2s, 1 B1 and a T34) and took 50% off a PzIV in a near miss. I regularly take down high tier tanks as well. It's the tank I have most Top Guns with and the only one in which I've reached 8 kills (2 times). Not to mention the only one where I've managed to win a 1 vs 5+ situation, not one but three times.
It's also a lot more fun, thanks to the Trollcannon.
OK, much more betterer now...
I sold my Wespe & bought a Grille because it was 1/2 off this weekend, but the starting gun on that thing was HORRIBLE & had me cringing for the first eight games I played it. Just had my first game with the new gun, though, and got 3 kills plus Invader, so I feel a little better now...
:ccr
I got my T-43 for 1/2 off, and it's not that bad. Its gun doesn't really bounce that many shots, since the 2-3 shots you can make before you get killed often miss their target.
WTF? :huh:
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what am i missing
T-43 got a Top Gun. That tank really is a piece of shit.
I gave it up once I had it maxed out and needed another 40k XP for the T-44. Just could not bring myself to play it that much. It really does suck rocks.
I'm either having a hot streak, or I'm getting a hang of it, though. My first 5 games with it netted 0 kills. The next 13 netted 20 kills. The 100 mm gun is not that bad of a gun for tier 7 mediums, the problem is that the tank is less survivable than even T20. If I get myself into a situation where the enemies are not shooting at me, though, I massacre them.
He he, killed the last enemy with my last remaining round. Turns out there is a medal for that.
You know you had a short battle when in the detected column, you see four AMX 13 75 tanks. :pinch:
Yes but recently, I was placed more and more into battles where I am in the middle of the list or worse (soloing) with the KV.
In that case, you are relegated into a secondary role which does not fit the slow, un-hidable KV. Your armor is nothing to write home about in those games either.
WIth the Marder, you simply cannot be placed solo into a match where you are not as dangerous near the bottom, as on the top.
That's why I only use the Trollcannon lately. It's great to see how even tier IXs get shy when they know you are at the other side of a corner. :lol:
And while it's not the most accurate gun ever for open maps, with 100% crew you do hit more often than not.
Quote from: Tamas on February 25, 2012, 03:27:52 AM
Yes but recently, I was placed more and more into battles where I am in the middle of the list or worse (soloing) with the KV.
In that case, you are relegated into a secondary role which does not fit the slow, un-hidable KV. Your armor is nothing to write home about in those games either.
There is a special place in Hell for KV's, and I take an almost sinful delight in sending them there -- first in my Jagdpanzer IV, and even moreso now in my Jagdpanther. Just hundreds of games of frustration from fighting the things when I was in lower-tier vehicles ejaculating out in wholesome, 105mm orgasmic goodness. I have to keep a roll of paper towels on my desk to clean up afterwards...
:P
Even after nerfing of HE I think the SU-26 is one of the best for its tier. Fast firing and accurate, for an SPG, it has the advantage of the Russian shot arc to get over obstacles, a tiny profile that makes it hidden unless they are right next to you and a 360 degree firing arc. Its only disadvantages are its slow movement and slightly weak gun, which only matters if the top is filled with tier 6+ heavies and mediums.
My first three battles with T-43 today: 5 kills, 2 kills, 4 kills. The paltry 2 kill game was when I had to go AFK in the middle of the game to answer the door, and thus got killed without a fight.
I'm starting to like the T-43. It's certainly a tank that's deficient in many respects, but often I can manage to work around those deficiencies and do some damage.
Wow, I've gotten almost 2k XP with only two kills. If only T-43 could take more than 4 hits before blowing up.
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Jesus DG, quit spooging all over the place. Your awesome, we get it. Congrats, etc., etc.
Quote from: Berkut on February 26, 2012, 03:45:33 AM
Jesus DG, quit spooging all over the place. Your awesome, we get it. Congrats, etc., etc.
You could've said I was awesome 10 pages ago. :mad: Would've saved you dozens of screenshots.
God damn the Jagdtiger is a huge fuckin' letdown. Can't wait for the big gun.
I mean, I don't mind that the "250mm" armor is actually just the small portion around your gun. I mind it more, but still ok, that everyone and their grandma knows this and they are just super-fine about taking their time aiming at the lower end of my front even if I am shooting them. This btw just landed me some good xp in my T-29, since a poor Jagdtiger was crazy enough to take up a city brawl against my MIGHTY TIER 7 90MM GUN and lost more than half of his HP to me until I made a mistake and was killed.
What I mind most are the fires. I read that the transmission is behind that wet carboard they call my lower armor and since transmission is handled like engine damage, and since my engine catches fire on a 20% chance, I do manage to keep that odds and then some, lighting up like a christmas tree every second game.
Is there any point on fixing a camo net on this? I thought it was hard to hide with the Ferdi. Boy I was wrong. They fucking spot me from the other end of the map.
I sure hope the best gun of it will be awesome as I am going to expend a shitload of my gold-converted free xp on it soon, because I just can't fuckin' take this.
And the whole easy to spot thing quite a problem because you should stay distant and snipe because that is how your advantages, namely accuracy and good-armor-if-they-can't properly-aim-at-you become relevant.
Except that, you cannot hide and you have like 50mm armor on top so a tier 4 or 5 artillery can have the time of his life shooting at you. So, you need to keep moving. Except that you cannot, really, because first, your teammates think you are invincible, so where you show up, they leave. Second, you have like 80mm armor on the sides and rear so the moment you let a tier 7 or 8 medium get a shot at you from the side you are done as your track falls down, your various components blow up and you catch fire.
Damn. I'm almost done with the 12t and have no cash to buy the 13t-75mm. I spent most of it in a so far underwhelming VK3601(H).
Is it normal to get Invader twice & a Raider in 14 games in a Grille? :P
Sometime's people's tactical awareness makes me LOL. I was pinned behind the cliff in my Tiger II, all alone, against Lowe, VK 4502A, Sherman, and Stug III on the other side. If they all rushed me, I was dead. Luckily, they instead chose to peek out one at a time, expose their lower glacis plate at an excellent angle for me, and wait until I reloaded before the next one had his turn. Half of the time they didn't even fire after peeking out. :lol: End result: 3 dead enemies, and 1 crippled one who was finished off by the arty. I generally don't gloat in chat, but I had to "LOL" at this display of tactical brilliance.
THAT WAS YOU!
:P
Quote from: DGuller on February 26, 2012, 08:07:10 PM
Sometime's people's tactical awareness makes me LOL. I was pinned behind the cliff in my Tiger II, all alone, against Lowe, VK 4502A, Sherman, and Stug III on the other side. If they all rushed me, I was dead. Luckily, they instead chose to peek out one at a time, expose their lower glacis plate at an excellent angle for me, and wait until I reloaded before the next one had his turn. Half of the time they didn't even fire after peeking out. :lol: End result: 3 dead enemies, and 1 crippled one who was finished off by the arty. I generally don't gloat in chat, but I had to "LOL" at this display of tactical brilliance.
I was on the other side of that in a GW Panther, where I had just killed 5 in an ugly set of close quarters battles (in an Arty close quarters is almost always ugly). We had four tanks left including me versus a T92 backed up against a cliff. The other three decided to rush one at a time and got picked off. I arrived just in time to get killed last.
I've had a few of those moments, usually involving the Trollcannon. Got 7 kills in Campinovka last weekend before someone decided it might be a better idea to peek and kill me during the 2 months it takes to reload the thing. :lol:
Yeah this is the most basic thing showing a player's experience I think. I mean the decision between flee/duel/charge in
Not always easy in the heat of battle though.
Recently I was near top with my T-20 on Arctic Region, and I mopped up a flank scoring 6 kills, but we lost the other flank, at the end it was my almost destroyed tank vs a 107mm-ed KV crawling back to stop me from capping. I was almost ready when he started shooting. I knew I should had just abandoned the cap and charged in so he couldn't turret-turn fast enough, but I just couldn't make myself give up the almost-complete cap, tried a distant duel, and my meager remains of HPs didn't last more than a single KV shot :(
Had the über Jagdtiger gun for a while, getting the hang of it. First awesome game with it. 7 kills, scoring 3 of those while being last of my team, outmaneuvering a 5-kill french heavy on the streets for the last one.
It is quite epic to mow down a wooden house with my tank to get a Tiger 2 hiding behind it. :D
Elited out my Jagdpanther this morning, which I guess is nice -- only 2.4 million creds away from buying a Ferd...
:P
Gotta love when you guess wrong on which way your teammates are going -- in your arty. By yourself... :P
Quote from: Iormlund on February 26, 2012, 09:19:10 AM
Damn. I'm almost done with the 12t and have no cash to buy the 13t-75mm.
I love this weekends special. :lol:
I have concluded that I should try my best to only buy tanks on specials, and not deviate from that plan unless I run out of tanks. Those credits saved really add up.
Monday is a holiday here and I still had some gold lying around, so I got the 3-for-1 day Premium thing. Wow. What a difference it makes in income. I'm making craploads of cash every battle. I won't reach the 70k exp I need to buy the 13t-90mm during this special, but I'll definitely have the money for it when the time comes.
I don't know if I said this before, but SU-152 with a 122mm gun is some seriously overpowered tank destroyer. I've gotten 8 Boelter's Medals, and 4 of them were in SU-152.
I'm now remembering the frustration when 3/4 of team goes one way then is shocked when base is lost because no one is covering the other flank :frusty:
Quote from: katmai on March 03, 2012, 06:18:31 PM
I'm now remembering the frustration when 3/4 of team goes one way then is shocked when base is lost because no one is covering the other flank :frusty:
Oh yeah. And they usually just stop mid-way and camp on that single flank :bleeding:
I've been focusing on doing counter-battery fire with my artillery lately. The howls of anger and accusations of cheating are very sweet.
Just had a match in my T29 where I took 51 hits and was NOT Steel Wall.
Quote from: Berkut on March 04, 2012, 11:21:10 AM
Just had a match in my T29 where I took 51 hits and was NOT Steel Wall.
Were you hull down?
I hate T-29s.
Quote from: DGuller on March 04, 2012, 11:57:29 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 04, 2012, 11:21:10 AM
Just had a match in my T29 where I took 51 hits and was NOT Steel Wall.
Were you hull down?
At times...
Does anyone know if there are ever any tank sales for higher tiers? I've cleared out thee tier VII tanks this weekend, and about to clear the T-43. I wonder whether it's worth waiting for a sale on the tier VIII tanks.
I can recall half-price specials for Tigers, IS (got mine in one) and now AMX 13t-90mm. Can't remember ever seeing one above tier VII.
OMFG I am in a blind rage right now because I've been teamed up with the most incredible bunch of fucking halfwits for like eleven games straight. I mean, I suck & all, but not even *I* am incompetent enough to completely blame this hellacious losing streak on...
<_<
Finally got a Top Gun in an arty, in M41. Killed 7 and wounded another two, from a total of 3 direct hits. :lol: Berkut was right, arty really gets going in mid tiers.
So, I just had another great game in my SU-85, and I think it might be the most successful vehicle I've ever used. Then I realized that I've played all 3 T5 TDs to elite, and thought I would compare my results with them.
First was the StugIII. I very much recall liking this vehicle a lot.
Characteristics
Stug III (elite)
Armor: 80/30/30, good sloping
Mobility: 40 km/h, 22.52 hp/ton
Gun: 75L70, 138 pen, 135 dam, 0.29 acc, 15.38 ROF
M10 Wolverine
Armor: 51/19/25, 51/25/25 turreted, good slope
Mobility: 48 km/h, 15.09 hp/ton
Gun: 76L48, 128pen, 115 dam, 0.33 acc
SU-85
Armor: 45/45/40
Mobility: 55mkh, 16.45 hp/ton
Gun:107mm 167pen, 300dam
So what sticks out here is that the Stug has great frontal armor for its tier, and excellent mobility.
The M10 is the odd duck, in that it is a turreted TD.
And the SU-85 has an ungodly gun.
My general impressions where that the Stug was a great little TD< very well balanced for its tier.
The M10 was weird - certainly could be effective when used properly, with a awesome ROF, but overall the gun was just not powerful enough to make up for the weak armor and very average mobility.
The SU-85 doesn't have the armor of the Stug, but its armor is adequate. It doesn't have the mobility of the Stug, but it is certainly very fast, and does not at all feel sluggish.
And the gun on the SU-85 is just ridiculous. Mostly because of the damage - you get into a fight where there are a bunch of T3-5 tanks, and you are one-shotting stuff left and right. It isn't nearly as accurate as the long 75 on the Stug, and doesn't have the ROF of the M10, but still outperforms both of them very handily.
So, what are my won stats with each tank? Do my results bear out my perceptions? Of course, there is some bias here since I am likely a better player now than I was when I was playing the Stug, but lets take a look anyway
| Tank | #Battles Fought | Kills | Kills/Battle | Damage | Damage/battle |
| StugIII | 95 | 58 | 0.61 | 32524 | 342 |
| M10 | 114 | 67 | 0.59 | 39523 | 347 |
| SU-85 | 57 | 75 | 1.32 | 34321 | 602 |
Now, I imagine some of that difference is that I am a better player now, but even at that, the SU-85 is a beast compared to its counterparts.
Better skill is definitely a part of it. Playing a Russian TD well requires a good understanding of certain game mechanics, like how to shoot without getting spotted or turning yourself into a target in general. It's one of the most difficult skills to acquire, but once you do, you can really exploit to shit the advantages of the Russian TD line.
The SU-100 looks very pedestrian compared to the -85.
Quote from: Berkut on March 14, 2012, 12:37:05 PM
The SU-100 looks very pedestrian compared to the -85.
I think it gets a 122 mm gun in the end, IIRC. A 122 mm gun in a Soviet TD is a lethal combination, as it fires much faster than the tank version.
Yeah, but compared to the -85, the 122 has slightly more pen (175 v 167) and a bit better damage (390 vs 300) for a slightly less accuracy (.38 vs .37) and much lower RoF (5.36 r/m vs 7.79). Doesn't seem like much of an upgrade relative to its tier.
Plus it is one of the bumps where the new tank doesn't mount the old gun at all, so until you get the XP to unlock the new gun, you are actually using guns that are considerably worse than the one you left back on the -85.
Yes, that definitely is annoying. I remember sucking terribly in SU-100 at first, before bouncing back near the end. Soviet tanks are especially annoying when stock.
I gave the 152 mm trollcannon on the KV another try, just for kicks. It works much better than I remember it working, probably because my skill improved. What I really like about it that you're almost never useless with it. Even tier 8 tanks can have their day ruined by it. The 107 mm gun is much more of a hit or miss: you'll rape if you're at the top, and you're a useless target if you're near the bottom.
Not just your skill. I found a 100% crew plays a big part in getting that shot to actually hit in the general vicinity of where I intended it to.
Hint: if you play arty, DO NOT hide behind the bushes like a TD. Bushes don't hide your tracers, but they do make for an excellent reference point for counter-battery arties.
Version 7.2 is out.
Just configured the perks for my Jagdpanther crew & played a few games. Fun. Played one of the new maps for the first time & got four kills without having a fucking clue where The Good Spots are at. Good stuff...
:ccr
And the patch fucked up my game big time. Once every couple of games my FPS crashes through the floor, and I can't do anything other than wait to be shot by the enemy. Good going, Wargaming.
Some pretty major changes.
Credit earning for high tier tanks is much, much higher. I make decent creds playing my T9s now.
The new US TD line is interesting - I have always had a special place in my heart for the M18 for some reason, going to have to try that.
72 kph on a TD that carries a 90mm gun. Yummy. And 18mm of armor!
Have any of you guys played around with the new perks yet? The only crew I have at 100% is my JP crew & pre-patch I was at about 95% on their first skill, so post-patch they let you re-pick your skills & they come up at the same percentage they were at, and being so close to maxing out that skill anyways I decided to Mix & Match some -- some good stuff in there, notably (for me, at least) Situational Awareness, Smooth Ride & Recon. Smooth Ride alone has already saved my ass a couple of times... :)
Looks like they are finally revamping the Soviet line to "make them competitive":
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworldoftanks.com%2Fdcont%2Ffb%2Fapril_1st%2Fussr_tech_tree%2Fussr__full%2528na%2529_new.jpg%3FMEDIA_PREFIX%3D%2Fdcont%2Ffb%2F&hash=4636ad64ea2c0bc5fd119f405c3b8faad5e5ef32)
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 01, 2012, 05:44:37 AM
Have any of you guys played around with the new perks yet? The only crew I have at 100% is my JP crew & pre-patch I was at about 95% on their first skill, so post-patch they let you re-pick your skills & they come up at the same percentage they were at, and being so close to maxing out that skill anyways I decided to Mix & Match some -- some good stuff in there, notably (for me, at least) Situational Awareness, Smooth Ride & Recon. Smooth Ride alone has already saved my ass a couple of times... :)
I find sixth sense to be by far the most useful. Not only does it help to know when you're being detected for the purpose of safety, but it's also a great educational tool on how to hide yourself.
Quote from: DGuller on April 01, 2012, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 01, 2012, 05:44:37 AM
Have any of you guys played around with the new perks yet? The only crew I have at 100% is my JP crew & pre-patch I was at about 95% on their first skill, so post-patch they let you re-pick your skills & they come up at the same percentage they were at, and being so close to maxing out that skill anyways I decided to Mix & Match some -- some good stuff in there, notably (for me, at least) Situational Awareness, Smooth Ride & Recon. Smooth Ride alone has already saved my ass a couple of times... :)
I find sixth sense to be by far the most useful. Not only does it help to know when you're being detected for the purpose of safety, but it's also a great educational tool on how to hide yourself.
yep, it will be great for my Jagdtiger
Quote from: DGuller on April 01, 2012, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 01, 2012, 05:44:37 AM
Have any of you guys played around with the new perks yet? The only crew I have at 100% is my JP crew & pre-patch I was at about 95% on their first skill, so post-patch they let you re-pick your skills & they come up at the same percentage they were at, and being so close to maxing out that skill anyways I decided to Mix & Match some -- some good stuff in there, notably (for me, at least) Situational Awareness, Smooth Ride & Recon. Smooth Ride alone has already saved my ass a couple of times... :)
I find sixth sense to be by far the most useful. Not only does it help to know when you're being detected for the purpose of safety, but it's also a great educational tool on how to hide yourself.
I can't tell how it indicates you are being seen.
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2012, 11:02:40 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 01, 2012, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 01, 2012, 05:44:37 AM
Have any of you guys played around with the new perks yet? The only crew I have at 100% is my JP crew & pre-patch I was at about 95% on their first skill, so post-patch they let you re-pick your skills & they come up at the same percentage they were at, and being so close to maxing out that skill anyways I decided to Mix & Match some -- some good stuff in there, notably (for me, at least) Situational Awareness, Smooth Ride & Recon. Smooth Ride alone has already saved my ass a couple of times... :)
I find sixth sense to be by far the most useful. Not only does it help to know when you're being detected for the purpose of safety, but it's also a great educational tool on how to hide yourself.
I can't tell how it indicates you are being seen.
a big-ass red exclamation mark is shoved right into your face
Quote from: DGuller on April 01, 2012, 10:06:07 AM
I find sixth sense to be by far the most useful. Not only does it help to know when you're being detected for the purpose of safety, but it's also a great educational tool on how to hide yourself.
I will have to look into it when I max out what I've got...
:ccr
Heh. I saw one of them flash up in a notification, but I just now saw in my Service Record that I have a Mastery Badge: II Class for my Jagdpanther & my VK 2001H and the description of the badge. The JP I can see, but the one for the VK kind of threw me...
Had a blast in a run with the silly D2...one of the slowest tanks I think I've ever driven...
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crafts4life.com%2Fd2.png&hash=f3f5d1b009fba007afea1f4a9b1ea5b50a4c16e5)
Does anybody know if your crewman are still limited to three perks, or is it unlimited now that there are, well, more than three perks? I guess I could probably go to the official forum & look for myself, but that sounds like an awful lot of work & I can't be arsed to work on my weekend off...
:P
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 06, 2012, 12:09:05 PM
Does anybody know if your crewman are still limited to three perks, or is it unlimited now that there are, well, more than three perks? I guess I could probably go to the official forum & look for myself, but that sounds like an awful lot of work & I can't be arsed to work on my weekend off...
:P
It's unlimited now. However, the universe will die of old age before you can complete the fourth perk, given the retarded exponential increase in experience required to get it.
:P
Copy. I was just asking because I'm closing in on closing out my second set of perks on my JP & I want to Choose Wisely when it comes to my third. I don't want to Go Nutty on Fire Fighting & find out I'm stuck with it...
To all of you kids out there playing The Home Game: beware the "Deadeye" perk. It works & it's great when shooting at a highter tiered vehicle you're not sure if you're going to gank or not, but it sucks when you're a Tier VII TD & you jack a Lee or a KV and just knock the tread off with no damage...
:yeahright:
Once again a special halved the money I needed to upgrade. I'm now the owner of a shiny VK3002(DB). Still mostly stock, though.
Sadly KV-13 is still 25k exp away so I'm not going to make that one.
I also received my first First Class Mastery Badge! 1003 Exp (no premium) on my beloved AMX 13t-75mm.
It was on one of the new maps, the one set in Italy, with a deep valley between the teams. I rushed their flank, scouting for my team (got a crapload of exp from this). An IS-4 and two Tiger IIs joined me up top and we easily overran the enemy.
In the confusion I shot up a couple Tigers and a T-43 and ended up bagging a T110 from behind while it was busy with our IS-7.
I love the new Province map. I got a four kill my first time there & have (generally) done well ever since. I just had a five kill there right before the post... :ccr
There is no feeling more delicious than taking 1000 hit points off a T34 in one shot, in a derp KV. Actually, getting an Ace Tanker afterwards probably is more delicious. :yeah:
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 06, 2012, 03:01:30 PM
To all of you kids out there playing The Home Game: beware the "Deadeye" perk. It works & it's great when shooting at a highter tiered vehicle you're not sure if you're going to gank or not, but it sucks when you're a Tier VII TD & you jack a Lee or a KV and just knock the tread off with no damage...
:yeahright:
OK, this is really starting to annoy me. I don't need to take an M6 down to 24% & then proceed to knock his track off three consecutive times, I need to fucking KILL that M6 with any one of those three shots before he kills me & makes me look like a dumbass. Fuck...
:mad:
I love using the Trollcannon as improptu arty. One-shot a KV-1s and a JpzIV today at Campinovka from half the map away, without direct line of sight. I also managed to lob a 152mm shell through the commander's cupola of a Type leaving him at 17% hp. :lol:
So, I went and joined a clan. One that is actually involved in Clan Wars, in fact. They hold a decent chunk of Sweden on the CW map.
While I have yet to actually get into a CW battle, this is A Very Good Thing for a variety of reasons:
1. It gives me people to fight with. Fighting in platoons with TS/Vent is about a million times more interesting.
2. I now am actually very incented to play my IS-4, which I happen to be pretty good at. Previously, I almost didn't want to play it because I was so ambivalent about the IS-7, since there isn't anything after that. Now I want that IS-7 to I can use it in CW.
3. Ditto my E-75.
4. Ditto getting more XP for my E-50.
5. However, with the need for an IS-7, I am also going to need a lot of credits. Luckily, I have a T-34, and since it is a gold tank, I am using that to farm creds.
T-34 is a gold tank? :yeahright: Are you sure you don't mean T34?
Soviet heavies will be revamped in a few weeks, so your IS4 will soon be tier 10. Public testing of 7.3 is allegedly to begin in the last third of this month.
You know, I forgot all about that. Maybe I should focus on the E-75 instead...
If anything, I would focus even more on getting the IS-7. I imagine that having both IS-4 and IS-7 would give you a free ride through a number of new heavies.
Yeah, so I just checked.
My IS-4 will move to T10. I will get a free Object 252 (new Tier 9)
My KV will be replaced by the Kv-1, and I will get a free KV-2 as well.
Pretty nice...
too bad I just spent all my credits re-shuffling my tanks, after a brief time in an S-51 and SU-100. Going back to T-25, and doing french lights instead, thankyouverymuch!
I will need to farm credits to purchase a KV-3 quickly. Having that on stock will also result in a new tank and garage slot.
Welp, inspired by PAX, I went ahead and downloaded a copy and went gold.
Am I correct in that the game keeps you with your tier tanks? That is, I will never see my crappy starting Renault up against a Tiger?
Quote from: Faeelin on April 11, 2012, 07:31:09 AM
Welp, inspired by PAX, I went ahead and downloaded a copy and went gold.
Am I correct in that the game keeps you with your tier tanks? That is, I will never see my crappy starting Renault up against a Tiger?
See this woefully out of date chart (http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/10168-match-making-system/page__pid__553302#entry553302). Match the tier and type of your tank, and that'll tell you your potential battle tiers. When you are picked for a match it is assigned a battle tier, and you'll meet a semi-random assortment of other tanks that also can participate in that battle tier.
So no, as a tier 1 you'll never encounter worse than a tier 2, and in fact as a new player I believe the first ~10 games are training games, only against other tier 1s.
Quote from: Berkut on April 10, 2012, 09:43:08 PM
Yeah, so I just checked.
My IS-4 will move to T10. I will get a free Object 252 (new Tier 9)
My KV will be replaced by the Kv-1, and I will get a free KV-2 as well.
Pretty nice...
Is there a full explanation of which tanks/modules you need to have to get every freebie from the revamp? And what happens to your IS-4 experience if you never do use it to upgrade to IS-7?
Quote from: DGuller on April 11, 2012, 08:18:39 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 10, 2012, 09:43:08 PM
Yeah, so I just checked.
My IS-4 will move to T10. I will get a free Object 252 (new Tier 9)
My KV will be replaced by the Kv-1, and I will get a free KV-2 as well.
Pretty nice...
Is there a full explanation of which tanks/modules you need to have to get every freebie from the revamp? And what happens to your IS-4 experience if you never do use it to upgrade to IS-7?
If you have a KV, it becomes a KV-1. If you have researched the second turret, you get a free KV-2 with 100% crew and slot.
If you have a KV-3 it moves to Tier 7, becomes the new KV-3 with same research setup. Additionally, you will get a free stock T-150, 100% crew, and garage slot.
If you have a IS-4, it moves to Tier 10, becomes the new IS-4 with the same research setup. Additionally, you get a free stock Object 252, 100% crew, garage slot.
I don't know what happens to XP on the IS-4, that is a very good question. Right now I have some 60k on it towards the IS-7.
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/113841-more-specific-73-update-details/
Goddamn it. A fucking T8 killed my Tiger P, when we were the last two remaining. You know you missed a golden opportunity when you get 1250 XP from a loss.
Quote from: Berkut on April 11, 2012, 12:09:53 PM
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/113841-more-specific-73-update-details/
:hmm: I speak English, I speak Russian, and yet neither of those skills seem to be useful in interpreting that post.
Pretty nice deals this weekend for the 1 year anniversary.
http://worldoftanks.com/
Dammit, I bought my Panther yesterday.
There are some tanks which just can't penetrate other tanks' armor, right? My Panzer III appears to be hitting some units, but I'm doing no damage to them?
Quote from: Faeelin on April 12, 2012, 03:21:17 PM
There are some tanks which just can't penetrate other tanks' armor, right? My Panzer III appears to be hitting some units, but I'm doing no damage to them?
Oh, yes, definitely.
I dunno, hard to imagine much that a Panther III could not pen.
It's a Pzkpfw III. I thought that was a Panzer III?
Oops, I misread that as "Panther III" and was trying to make a bad jo....oh never mind.
I am getting old...
Quote from: Berkut on April 12, 2012, 07:06:46 PM
Oops, I misread that as "Panther III" and was trying to make a bad jo....oh never mind.
I am getting old...
Yeah, we know that from the birthday thread.
I loved the Pzkfw III, but it was badly hit by the HE nerf.
Quote from: Berkut on April 12, 2012, 12:25:10 PM
Pretty nice deals this weekend for the 1 year anniversary.
http://worldoftanks.com/
Thank you for saying something -- I didn't realize there was a sale going on. Sold off my VK 3001H & dipped into my "Ferd Fund" to buy a Panther for 1/2 off & retrain my crew. I was a little bummed to give up the 3001H since it was my favorite (non-TD) tank, but I'd wager that I'll like the Panther once I get it tricked out... :P
Just finished my first clan wars fight.
Since I don't have a T10 heavy, I was one of two mediums on Karelia. It was pretty cool - we had a pre-battle strat meeting using Advanced Tactical Center to plan our strat.
My job was to use the 50G octane to pretty much blitz to the donut, and try to ram something and create a traffic jam for a killing zone for the artillery.
It was glorious, and very exciting.
Pro-tip: Place your small repair kit on position 5. When traversing something at high speed (say in a scout) spam the 5 key which maps now to "Small Repair Kit" and then "Tracks". If you are tracked while moving, you will insta-repair your track without stopping...supposedly.
So Berkie what is the breakdown of tiers in Clan wars?
T10. T10. More T10.
Most CW battles we run are something like:
2 Maus
4 E-100
2 AMX 50B
3 T110
3 Arty
1 or 2 mediums (T54 or E50), only if the map can use a high speed scout
Sheesh, no way I'll be playing in any of those anytime soon :lol:
ALl of the T10s are viable though, it just depends on what map you are fighting on - we use IS-7s a lot on Karelia, for example, but never on the city maps, or rarely.
It also depends on how many matches there are going - I got in last night mostly because we had three battles to staff over 2 hours.
Second Clan Wars fight tonight.
Same map, same strat, bad guys tried the same things as well.
This time, after I re-deployed from the donut back to cap defense, the commander sent me down the middle to go after their arty since they were all pushing north. Dodged the M103 they had defendning the middle in my E-50 (an M-103? really?) and killed both their artillery.
Clan Wars is fun.
OK, starting to get the hang of the Panther. 1st several games were absolutely brutal with the stock 75, but once I could upgrade the turret & get an OKish 88 on there to tide me over to the long 75 & put a Rammer in there to speed up reloading its a lot more fun...
That shortish 88 is one of the most inconsistent guns there is in WoT. It goes from being great to being outclassed in the space of one tier. This is probably the most shortchanged gun in the game, considering how many tanks were littering the real battlefields because of it.
In the game its biggest problem, IMO, is accuracy. For me a lot of that has to do with lack of crew profiency -- which is something else that is improving, also making the tank more fun for me now... :P
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 17, 2012, 09:55:26 AM
In the game its biggest problem, IMO, is accuracy. For me a lot of that has to do with lack of crew profiency -- which is something else that is improving, also making the tank more fun for me now... :P
Which is BS as well, because the real 88 was extremely accurate due to its flat trajectory.
I've long since given up stressing about how any tank or gun in the game maps to its real life counterpart.
However, the 12.8cm gun on the E-75 is quite lovely.
Quote from: DGuller on April 17, 2012, 09:59:56 AM
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 17, 2012, 09:55:26 AM
In the game its biggest problem, IMO, is accuracy. For me a lot of that has to do with lack of crew profiency -- which is something else that is improving, also making the tank more fun for me now... :P
Which is BS as well, because the real 88 was extremely accurate due to its flat trajectory.
Stoopid Russkiy developers nerfing German equipment... :P
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2012, 10:21:33 AM
I've long since given up stressing about how any tank or gun in the game maps to its real life counterpart.
Indeed. It's a game, and a pretty fun one at that. If a given tank blows that much there are only about a few dozen other ones to choose from... :ccr
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2012, 10:21:33 AM
I've long since given up stressing about how any tank or gun in the game maps to its real life counterpart.
However, the 12.8cm gun on the E-75 is quite lovely.
I am pretty sure it cannot compare to its Jagdtiger version :contract:
While I am still often hindered by the fact that my teammates consider the Jagdtiger an undestructible force of close combat (which it really isn't, not much more than the Marder is, actually) and hence leave me alone to take care of street fighting and whatnot, that gun just owns. Accurate, reasonably fast and nothing is safe from it.
Last night, as I was pwning left and right with my KV, until an other KV one-shot me with it's trollcannon, I realized: we are living the last couple of weeks of the KV's golden age, aren't we? It will be a tier 6, and so the mass-murdering of entire fields of tier 5s and below will be the thing of the past.
Quote from: Tamas on April 18, 2012, 01:47:12 AM
Last night, as I was pwning left and right with my KV, until an other KV one-shot me with it's trollcannon, I realized: we are living the last couple of weeks of the KV's golden age, aren't we? It will be a tier 6, and so the mass-murdering of entire fields of tier 5s and below will be the thing of the past.
:cry:
It only took me 843 games, but I *FINALLY* just got Invader in my Jagdpanther. Hell, I had both Invader & Raider within the first ten games of having my Grille, so I don't know what took me so long... :P
ok experts, need help. I already have my pimped-up KV. Should I buy the KV3 in hopes of actually profiting from the free tanks that would get me? I dont need extra garage place. I need credits. I at least will break even from buying the KV3, then selling it and the free tank, right?
The intimidation factor of the T95 is just awesome.
Was playing Abby, and stayed back in base to defend. Most of my team went down the south road.
Kill a medium coming through the gap. A Lowe comes through, I stick a round into him, he skirts south. I assume he is going to try to run for our arty or get behind me, so I re-position to cover the southern entrance into the base, so he just goes south to try to come up behind the team going down the south road rather than face me. That doesn't work of course.
So the team is pressing along, but the other side had sent about 7 tanks north, so it turns into one of those races for the cap. I am the only one left in base other than the two arty, so I position to cover the north entrance. Six of them breakthrough, and the first two up into the cap get blown away by me, and the other 4 just don't even come up at all. They just sit down there trying to play peek-a-boo up the path into base while our team completes the cap win.
Of course, if they had all just come up, I would be toast.
Quote from: Tamas on April 22, 2012, 02:04:25 AM
ok experts, need help. I already have my pimped-up KV. Should I buy the KV3 in hopes of actually profiting from the free tanks that would get me? I dont need extra garage place. I need credits. I at least will break even from buying the KV3, then selling it and the free tank, right?
I would guess that buying the KV-3 would be a break even or close to it, at worst. And you are wrong - you do need an extra slot.
6th sense perk is awesome for the Jagdtiger. Gawd it helps a lot.
Also, the T25 can be fun as balls. Running around deep behind enemy lines, wreaking havoc with a turretless tank? Talk about trolling.
I played on the public beta server, and I have a couple of conclusions. KV-1 is still going to be a troll tank. Sure, you'll get a weaker derp, 122 mm instead of 152 mm, but in return you'll get better matchmaking. It will also help that KV-1 will get your old KV crew, with their skills and perks. KV-2 is going to be more mediocre, but I'm not sure how much of it was due to extreme top heaviness on the test server.
IS-8 is one fast motherfucker. It's top speed is 50 kph, and it actually gets to it eventually. T95 is a beast, even if it is a lumbering beast. Things located in front of its most powerful gun just have a habit of spontaneously combusting. No, it's not a new tank, I just wanted to cheat and get a sneak preview of what it's like.
I love my T95, and I don't even have the big gun on it yet.
I do love that the Obj-704 has a better gun than the T95...which costs less to research. On a MUCH faster tank. It of course does not have the monster armor of the T95, but it does shed shots to the front rather nicely.
I think that difference in the vulnerability is really significant, though. TDs sometimes can't help but expose their flanks, and that's where the Object and T95 are like day and night. Object can be hurt in its sides by almost anything it is matched up against, while damaging the T95 even from the side is quite a project.
:bleeding: the stupidity of some makes this game frustrating sometimes.
Quote from: DGuller on April 23, 2012, 05:01:42 PM
I think that difference in the vulnerability is really significant, though. TDs sometimes can't help but expose their flanks, and that's where the Object and T95 are like day and night. Object can be hurt in its sides by almost anything it is matched up against, while damaging the T95 even from the side is quite a project.
I am planning on spending an insane shitload of free XP on the tracks and big gun of the T28, so I can jump straight to it's sweet spot once I get it, but that said, I come up against the Object very very often, yet it is a rare event I see a T95. The Object appears to be much-much more popular.
It is much more popular because it is all around a vastly superior vehicle.
The T95 is much more narrowly effective.
DG is on crack or something. The T95 can easily be penetrated from the side by anything it is on the field with, and the real difference between it and the 704 is that it has almost no ability to defend its flanks - it is too slow to re-position, while the 704 is very nimble and quick. Which would you prefer 150mm of flat side armor and a 12kmh speed limit, or 90mm of perfectly sloped side armor and a 37kmh speed limit? There is no contest in their relative flank vulnerability - the T95 is vastly more vulnerable.
THe T95 is a mobile pillbox with a big gun and incredible frontal armor. The 704 has a better gun, that is cheaper to research AND can actually be researched on the Tier 8 vehicle - so you don't even have to spend time in the 704 with a smaller gun. The 704 is a much more well balanced vehicle all around. It is, in fact, the best all around TD in the game. It is simply ridiculous that it has the best mobility matched with the best gun, and very good sloped armor. The JT is the real loser here though - it doesn't do anything that the 704 cannot do better, except for frontal armor, and there the T95 has it beat.
The JT beats in it accuracy and ROF, does it not?
Beside, it is not a Russian vehicle in a game made by Russians, so it wins the moral contest :P
Yes, it has better accuracy and ROF, but considerably less damage. That isn't a tradeoff most people are interested in making, especially in the cases where TDs shine, which is not sniping.
Quote from: Berkut on April 24, 2012, 08:57:50 AM
Yes, it has better accuracy and ROF, but considerably less damage. That isn't a tradeoff most people are interested in making, especially in the cases where TDs shine, which is not sniping.
How does TDs not shine in sniping? :huh: Ok, the JT can't really hide, but the 704 sure can, expect it probably lacks the accuracy for long range fire. Whereas my JT can hit anything from anywhere.
I think there are sniping TDs, and ambush TDs. Like, the Marder and the Hetzer respectively.
Quote from: Berkut on April 24, 2012, 08:57:50 AM
Yes, it has better accuracy and ROF, but considerably less damage. That isn't a tradeoff most people are interested in making, especially in the cases where TDs shine, which is not sniping.
Huh? Where do TDs shine, if it's not sniping?
I am talking about endgame, and in end game, TDs are not the best snipers. Artillery dominates, so anything that is sniping has to be able to hide or redeploy quickly. Neither of which the JT is good at.
And you are right - the 704 hides rather nicely, which is why it is probably a better sniper than a JT, even with the lower accuracy. Good players can hit what they need to hit for the most part, even with a less accurate gun.
I am not saying the JT sucks or is useless, just that it is not really optimal at anything, while at the same time not being a particularly well rounded vehicle either. The things it is "best in class" at are not that important for the class it is in, unfortunately.
This is how the Russians manage to keep the Russian vehicles over powered while pretending like they are not - they do stuff like this, so they can say "See, the JT has better ROF and accuracty! The 704 is not the best!".
But the numbers don't lie, and the players know what works, and that is why you see a lot more 704s than JTs or T95s. The new American TD is pretty damn nice though - has the gun of the T95, useable mobility, and a turret. That is a nice design.
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Quote from: Berkut on April 24, 2012, 08:57:50 AM
Yes, it has better accuracy and ROF, but considerably less damage. That isn't a tradeoff most people are interested in making, especially in the cases where TDs shine, which is not sniping.
Huh? Where do TDs shine, if it's not sniping?
At the upper end, they don't shine for the most part, but where they do it is in medium range slugouts. Snipers have to be mobile, because as soon as they fire two rounds, artillery is going to be on them. And TDs are meat to artillery.
Where they shine is in medium range direct fire support of heavy tanks, where they can provide T10 firepower on a Tier 9 hull (and hence Tier 9 TD points rather than T10 heavy points).
That is why they are very rarely used in CW - why take a T9 TD when you can get just as good firepower from an actual T10 heavy, and the constraint is simply in number of tanks, and not points?
Ironically, the one TD that does get used in CW is the T95 - because it is so narrowly useful, it has a place on maps like Himmelsdorf, where you can actually protect its flanks and artillery is laregly neutralized, hence it actually makes sense to give up mobility and a turret to dominate a linear space like tank alley. But it is very situational.
"good players can hit despite accuracy". Please. If that nice green circle refuses to be smaller then 3 times the target far away, you can be the überpwnr, you still run a decent chance of missing.
Artillery is certainly a concern, but it's not a hopeless problem. I think I played like a dozen games in T95 on the test server, with most of them having a couple of heavy arty pieces on each side, and I don't recall arties being a real problem. A much more annoying problem is when some asshole shot me in the pooper, twice. T95 with a damaged engine on a mountain map is a fate worse than death.
Artillery is a problem to the JT, but 6th sense solves it. And you can relocate with it easily.
Heaven comes when there is either no artillery, or you can shield from it, while also having a hull down position (like a wreck, or a short team-mate!). Oh boy, you start reaping things apart.
I do see that the object is a better TD. But I have been highly annoyed by Russian "accuracy" and while it's derp gun intriques me, I do value the awesome accuracy of my Jagdtiger.
Berkut, you have managed to put some serious doubts into me about chasing the T95 though. Too bad you did it half a day after the discount on the SU-100, my current step in the road to the 704, expired :P
You should go through the Soviet TD tree in any case. SU-152 (whose best gun is, appropriately enough for WoT, a 122), is a monster of a TD. It's more overpowered than even KV or IS-4 (as of 7.2).
Quote from: Tamas on April 24, 2012, 09:33:24 AM
"good players can hit despite accuracy". Please. If that nice green circle refuses to be smaller then 3 times the target far away, you can be the überpwnr, you still run a decent chance of missing.
Uggh, this is a silly argument.
Look, with my E-50, which I've run with two extremely accurate guns, I hit about 80% of the time. You can check the stats. That is with a .3 or .32 accuracty gun, both better than the JTs .33 accuracy gun.
With my T-28, which has a .39 accuracy gun I hit 75% of the time. Is there a difference? Of course.
Does it matter in most games? Not really. A good shooter is going to hit a little bit more with a better gun, but most of the variability in hit ratio is in shot selection, not gun accuracy.
Hence what I said - people who know how to shoot are going to hit based more on their ability to shoot and taking good shots than a marginal increase in accuracy. And the difference between .38 and .32 is not that great. It is only when you get up above .4 that accuracy really starts limiting your options.
You are obviously a good gunner, but that aiming circle isn't there for nothing. What your excellent hit percentage shows on both tanks is that you know the guns' effective ranges and how to shoot at moving targets with them, not that a T-28 is just as good for sniping as an E-50.
Artillery is a problem to the JT, but 6th sense solves it.
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Not really. It helps, but it hardly solves it.
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And you can relocate with it easily.
Compared to what? Can it relocate easily compared to a T110E5 which has a turret, a gun that is just as accurate, and does 37 kph compared to 27?
Note that I am commenting on why TDs at the high end are not great snipers compared to the alternatives - not saying they cannot snipe at all - of course they can.
The lack of a turret really hurts, since it means you cannot easily duck behind some cover from arty, pop out and shoot, then duck back again before artillery can get a good shot off.
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Heaven comes when there is either no artillery, or you can shield from it, while also having a hull down position (like a wreck, or a short team-mate!). Oh boy, you start reaping things apart.
Indeed. Problem is that that heaven is just a as profound with a regular heavy tank.
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I do see that the object is a better TD. But I have been highly annoyed by Russian "accuracy" and while it's derp gun intriques me, I do value the awesome accuracy of my Jagdtiger.
The BL-10 is hardly a derp gun. Not by any stretch. One of our clans better players has a 84% hit rate in his 704.
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Berkut, you have managed to put some serious doubts into me about chasing the T95 though. Too bad you did it half a day after the discount on the SU-100, my current step in the road to the 704, expired
Meh, if you like the US TDs, then go after it. The question should be driven by the marginal effectiveness in end game, but what you like to play.
The T95 has one thing going for it in that respect - it is different. It takes a different style to succeed in it, and it is genuinely a different experience to play. The 704 is awesome, but pretty vanilla in its play style.
Quote from: Tamas on April 24, 2012, 01:31:43 PM
You are obviously a good gunner, but that aiming circle isn't there for nothing. What your excellent hit percentage shows on both tanks is that you know the guns' effective ranges and how to shoot at moving targets with them, not that a T-28 is just as good for sniping as an E-50.
What it shows is that I am right, and the difference between .33 and .38 in accuracy does not translate into a significant difference in hit rate, and hence a significant difference in effectiveness such that increased accuracy is worth giving up increased damage.
More importantly, it shows that you don't need a .33 accuracy gun to snipe perfectly effectively.
Well yeah, there is certainly a limit after which additional accuracy doesnt worth less damage, that was my take looking at the Panther for example, altough I never played it.
And I think we are talking a bit of differen things on high-end TDs in general, as I have no "end game" considerations - clan wars must be loads of fun but I don't do MMO clan time commitments.
I guess it comes down to style. In TDs, I played the entire German line, the US line until the T25, and the Russian until the SU-100. I enjoyed the German one the most, I still keep a Marder II around, altough it doesnt get much playtime since I elited the JT, since in all effect they are the same to drive - accurate, big damage, fragile. Except that the JT can't hide, in exchange gets to deflect shots if your enemy can't aim for the weakspots.
Anyways, I guess I am just not a good-enough shooter, because being used to the German accuracy, I found the Russian one annoying. It is ok for a face-hugger style, but for pew-pewing out of bushes from far away, nah.
Tamas is a nazi lover...big shock.
Though so far I agree i like the German TD's the best.
Quote from: Berkut on April 24, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 24, 2012, 01:31:43 PM
You are obviously a good gunner, but that aiming circle isn't there for nothing. What your excellent hit percentage shows on both tanks is that you know the guns' effective ranges and how to shoot at moving targets with them, not that a T-28 is just as good for sniping as an E-50.
What it shows is that I am right, and the difference between .33 and .38 in accuracy does not translate into a significant difference in hit rate, and hence a significant difference in effectiveness such that increased accuracy is worth giving up increased damage.
More importantly, it shows that you don't need a .33 accuracy gun to snipe perfectly effectively.
Hit rate isn't everything (unless you're in a KV with 152 derp). Hitting any part of the tank counts as a hit, AFAIK, but with more accurate guns you can hit the weak point more precisely, and thus bounce less often.
I do agree though that pretty much any gun in the game can hit often enough if you take well-aimed shots. I once played the derp KV on Sand River, and with no urban area to speak of there, I had to resort to sniping from the hill. Some Ferdinand nearby tries to lecture me that derp isn't a sniping tank. I type "watch this", and proceed to kill 2 tanks almost halfway across the map, right at the limit of the range that tanks are even drawn. Of course, with the derp, you generally don't care where on the tank you hit, a normal gun with derp accuracy would be the height of frustration.
Quote from: katmai on April 24, 2012, 02:09:02 PM
Tamas is a nazi lover...big shock.
Though so far I agree i like the German TD's the best.
:rolleyes:
So funny, when I platoon with some friends, the shtick is that I am a Yankee-lover :P
Which wasn't true btw, but it is getting to be. I absolutely adore my T29, even if it's damage could be better. But it has okay speed, okay damage, accuracy, and ROF, and über armor on the turret.
I also can't wait to get credits for the Pershing, as I liked the T20, and the T25 is cool as well.
The T25 deserves special mention, because while TD gameplay is my favourite, I do like flanking with mediums, and when driving this tank, I can switch between the gamestyles at whim.
I love my Easy Eight.
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2012, 02:17:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 24, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 24, 2012, 01:31:43 PM
You are obviously a good gunner, but that aiming circle isn't there for nothing. What your excellent hit percentage shows on both tanks is that you know the guns' effective ranges and how to shoot at moving targets with them, not that a T-28 is just as good for sniping as an E-50.
What it shows is that I am right, and the difference between .33 and .38 in accuracy does not translate into a significant difference in hit rate, and hence a significant difference in effectiveness such that increased accuracy is worth giving up increased damage.
More importantly, it shows that you don't need a .33 accuracy gun to snipe perfectly effectively.
Hit rate isn't everything (unless you're in a KV with 152 derp). Hitting any part of the tank counts as a hit, AFAIK, but with more accurate guns you can hit the weak point more precisely, and thus bounce less often.
Not when you are sniping though, at least not in most cases. Your target is generally too far away to aim at weak spots.
The highly accurate guns are really nice IMO when you are firing at medium range, and you can take shots you simply would not take otherwise - the 88L100 for example, can fire at that last drive wheel sticking our from around the corner. I loved playing my E-50 with that gun. But I won't kid myself into thinking it is better than the 105, even with the lower accuracy and ROF.
I am not saying accuracy doesn't EVER matter - that is clearly not true. I am just saying that it isn't important enough overall to warrant giving up much for an incremental increase, and hence a high accuracy is not a requirement to snipe effectively. And really, all the T10 guns seem to have pretty similar accuracy, all in the .33ish to .38 range. Hell, I wish there were more maps where a really accurate long range gun is useful, but mostly you aren't taking 450m+ shots in WoT.
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I do agree though that pretty much any gun in the game can hit often enough if you take well-aimed shots. I once played the derp KV on Sand River, and with no urban area to speak of there, I had to resort to sniping from the hill. Some Ferdinand nearby tries to lecture me that derp isn't a sniping tank. I type "watch this", and proceed to kill 2 tanks almost halfway across the map, right at the limit of the range that tanks are even drawn. Of course, with the derp, you generally don't care where on the tank you hit, a normal gun with derp accuracy would be the height of frustration.
Yeah, that is what is funny about Tamas referring to the "derp" gun on the 704. The actual derp guns have accuracies in the range of .6+, the ultimate derp gun is 0.69!
The 704 is .38. That is MORE than accurate enough to snipe effectively. And when it hits and does 800 points of damage...well, that makes you not much care about the JTs better accuracy or ROF.
Quote from: Tamas on April 24, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
The T25 deserves special mention, because while TD gameplay is my favourite, I do like flanking with mediums, and when driving this tank, I can switch between the gamestyles at whim.
The T25 is still my favorite overall TD. It is what I imagined the JagdPanther to be.
Quote from: Berkut on April 24, 2012, 09:27:42 AM
At the upper end, they don't shine for the most part, but where they do it is in medium range slugouts. Snipers have to be mobile, because as soon as they fire two rounds, artillery is going to be on them. And TDs are meat to artillery.
To respond to an earlier point, not necessarily.
The really good thing about Sixth Sense is not that it tells you when to hightail it out of there, but that it teaches you how to stay hidden even after firing. What seems to be a lesser known fact is that you can in fact stay hidden after firing. The trick is to be about a tank length behind the bush when firing, instead of being partially in it.
The downside is that this cover works both ways: that bush prevents others from seeing your muzzle flash, but it also prevents you from seeing behind the bush all that well, so you can't detect previously unseen enemies. However, if you're a sniper, you shouldn't be the one doing the detecting in any case.
Quote from: DGuller on April 24, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 24, 2012, 09:27:42 AM
At the upper end, they don't shine for the most part, but where they do it is in medium range slugouts. Snipers have to be mobile, because as soon as they fire two rounds, artillery is going to be on them. And TDs are meat to artillery.
To respond to an earlier point, not necessarily.
The really good thing about Sixth Sense is not that it tells you when to hightail it out of there, but that it teaches you how to stay hidden even after firing. What seems to be a lesser known fact is that you can in fact stay hidden after firing. The trick is to be about a tank length behind the bush when firing, instead of being partially in it.
The downside is that this cover works both ways: that bush prevents others from seeing your muzzle flash, but it also prevents you from seeing behind the bush all that well, so you can't detect previously unseen enemies. However, if you're a sniper, you shouldn't be the one doing the detecting in any case.
OK, two things in response here:
1) What you say is true, but applies just as well to non-TDs - so back to my first point - why a TD instead of a heavy? The better accuracy is marginally important (to the extent that it even exists) and everything you are saying about mitigating your chances of being spotted applies just as well to any tank. So again, a TD has no advantage over a tank in that matter. They are more vulnerable to artillery, and showing how ALL tanks can be less vulnerable doesn't address their relative vulnerability.
2) Pro tip for staying hidden I learned from a fellow CWer:
If you want to stay hidden behind a bush while sniping...
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A) Get behind the bush. Zoom into sniper mode. Back away from the bush until the bush is no longer transparent. That is the range at which the bush blocks LOS to you, as opposed to just adding to your camo. Of course, it is also the range at which the bush blocks your own LOS.
Inch forward until the bush becomes transparent again. At this point, the bush adds to your camo rating, but if you fire, the bush effect will immediately disappear. Any bush within range becomes a not bush the moment you fire.
But you haven't fired yet, so the bush still counts as cover/camo for you, just not a LOS block. That is fine though, since it is cover you are looking for.
Now, find your target and fire. *Immediately* back up a couple feet. Now the bush is no longer adding to your camo since you are too far away...but it wasn't anyway since you just fired. But now it IS blocking LOS in both directions. Wait a few seconds, move back into place where the bush just becomes transparent in sniper mode.
This is how people fire at you without being detected even after firing.
Quote from: Berkut on April 24, 2012, 03:44:34 PM
OK, two things in response here:
1) What you say is true, but applies just as well to non-TDs - so back to my first point - why a TD instead of a heavy? The better accuracy is marginally important (to the extent that it even exists) and everything you are saying about mitigating your chances of being spotted applies just as well to any tank. So again, a TD has no advantage over a tank in that matter. They are more vulnerable to artillery, and showing how ALL tanks can be less vulnerable doesn't address their relative vulnerability.
Better camo, and possibly faster and more accurate version of the gun (not sure how true it is generally, but there is a huge difference between IS and SU versions of 122 mm gun). I don't know what the camo number is on the T95, but I assume it's really low given how flat to the ground it is, which makes it more likely to remain hidden after firing. Hiding behind the bush doesn't make you completely invisible, it just modifies the view range of the enemies trying to spot you. With a better camo rating, it's modified more.
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2) Pro tip for staying hidden I learned from a fellow CWer:
If you want to stay hidden behind a bush while sniping...
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A) Get behind the bush. Zoom into sniper mode. Back away from the bush until the bush is no longer transparent. That is the range at which the bush blocks LOS to you, as opposed to just adding to your camo. Of course, it is also the range at which the bush blocks your own LOS.
Inch forward until the bush becomes transparent again. At this point, the bush adds to your camo rating, but if you fire, the bush effect will immediately disappear. Any bush within range becomes a not bush the moment you fire.
But you haven't fired yet, so the bush still counts as cover/camo for you, just not a LOS block. That is fine though, since it is cover you are looking for.
Now, find your target and fire. *Immediately* back up a couple feet. Now the bush is no longer adding to your camo since you are too far away...but it wasn't anyway since you just fired. But now it IS blocking LOS in both directions. Wait a few seconds, move back into place where the bush just becomes transparent in sniper mode.
This is how people fire at you without being detected even after firing.
How does this work? Is there some wierd delay in the recognition of your position after the muzzle flash? It seem like you should stay lit up for a while after you fire even if you instantly teleport behind a brick wall. In any case, this tip is telling you how to spot, shoot, and remain hidden. If you just want to shoot and remain hidden, such as when you're bring up the rear of the formation (safe bet in T95), you can just stay in that one place where the bush is non-transparent, and stay hidden as well.
lol not everyone can shoot as Berkut apparently, I just royally pissed off an Object 704 driver after he seriously lost a sniping contest with me (him down to 7%, finished off by a teammate, me: no hits). He accused me of using gold ammo.
As if.
edit: I, of course, was in my JT
Actually, I doubt my hit rate is much (if any) above average for people who have played as long as I have. I think DG has a better hit rate than I do, for example.
I tend to take shots I should probably not. One of the guys in our clan has an 85% hit rate overall. He never plays arty, and he never, ever takes marginal shots. If he misses, it is because the RNG said he was going to miss.
I don't really care for that kind of thing though - I think winning is more important than keeping my hit rate high, so why not take a 50-50 shot assuming there isn't going to be a better one during my reload time?
Hmmm, comparing like tanks, I am generally a couple percent higher than DG, for the most part. Within the margin of error anyway.
Yeah I regularly take very iffy shots if I do not run the risk of being caught pants down during reload time - if I get lucky I move the match forward, which I cannot say for just having a good hit ratio.
I guess I am just awful. I now have a panzer III, and I'm firing at side armor on enemy tanks at point blank range, and not doing damage.
Quote from: Faeelin on April 25, 2012, 01:20:10 PM
I guess I am just awful. I now have a panzer III, and I'm firing at side armor on enemy tanks at point blank range, and not doing damage.
If you aim for the middle part of the tracks you'll frequently get a hit for no damage. Make sure you are actually aiming at the side armor (which you might not be able to pen if they are too high a tier to you), or shoot the front or rear of the tracks.
Quote from: Berkut on April 25, 2012, 12:22:33 PM
Actually, I doubt my hit rate is much (if any) above average for people who have played as long as I have. I think DG has a better hit rate than I do, for example.
I tend to take shots I should probably not. One of the guys in our clan has an 85% hit rate overall. He never plays arty, and he never, ever takes marginal shots. If he misses, it is because the RNG said he was going to miss.
I don't really care for that kind of thing though - I think winning is more important than keeping my hit rate high, so why not take a 50-50 shot assuming there isn't going to be a better one during my reload time?
Yeah, that's silly. There are three good reasons to hold back from firing a marginal shot: you don't have enough ammo, you expect a better shot to open up very soon, or you know there is an enemy tank around the corner waiting to roll in as soon as you fire. If none of those apply, I'll fire at that commander's cupola sticking out from behind the top of the hill for as long as it's there.
In my 900th game in the Jagdpanther I picked up kills 898, 899, 900 & 901 -- *FINALLY* putting me at a kill-a-game. I guess I'm a slow learner... :P
In other news, up until yeserday I had exclusively played German because, well, I just never could be bothered to start all over again. Man, I was wrong -- used some free XP to whip through the start of the Sov line & start playing the SU-76 (I like front-mounted TD's), and the thing is a blast. It dies when somebody uses strong language, but I have fun doing it...
:ccr
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 26, 2012, 07:24:23 AM
In my 900th game in the Jagdpanther I picked up kills 898, 899, 900 & 901 -- *FINALLY* putting me at a kill-a-game. I guess I'm a slow learner... :P
In other news, up until yeserday I had exclusively played German because, well, I just never could be bothered to start all over again. Man, I was wrong -- used some free XP to whip through the start of the Sov line & start playing the SU-76 (I like front-mounted TD's), and the thing is a blast. It dies when somebody uses strong language, but I have fun doing it...
:ccr
If you like things that die when someone uses strong language try out the US TD line or the French Light/Medium. I think for pure fun the T82 is way up there, able to blow the hell out of anything it encounters with the derp gun and damn fast.
Quote from: frunk on April 26, 2012, 08:29:23 AM
If you like things that die when someone uses strong language try out the US TD line or the French Light/Medium. I think for pure fun the T82 is way up there, able to blow the hell out of anything it encounters with the derp gun and damn fast.
I think that I'm going to build up a little more free XP again & start on US TDs. I looooooooove playing my JP, but the credit Profit Margin is too slim for my tastes with my non-Premium account. I need to farm some lower tier stuff...
Stay away from the French tanks. They all suck rocks until they become OP at Tier 9 or so.
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 26, 2012, 08:57:45 AM
I think that I'm going to build up a little more free XP again & start on US TDs. I looooooooove playing my JP, but the credit Profit Margin is too slim for my tastes with my non-Premium account. I need to farm some lower tier stuff...
I generally just play through the lower tiers rather than spending free XP on them. I don't think any of the low tier vehicles should take more than 10-20 matches to get to the next tank. I save the free XP for upgrading upper tier tanks.
Quote from: Berkut on April 26, 2012, 09:29:57 AM
Stay away from the French tanks. They all suck rocks until they become OP at Tier 9 or so.
My buddy drove an ARL 44 and he cursed at it constantly, until he maxed it out. With top equipment, it appears to be a quite nice sniping platform, with a gun that is very useful.
Quote from: frunk on April 26, 2012, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 26, 2012, 08:57:45 AM
I think that I'm going to build up a little more free XP again & start on US TDs. I looooooooove playing my JP, but the credit Profit Margin is too slim for my tastes with my non-Premium account. I need to farm some lower tier stuff...
I generally just play through the lower tiers rather than spending free XP on them. I don't think any of the low tier vehicles should take more than 10-20 matches to get to the next tank. I save the free XP for upgrading upper tier tanks.
Nothing to upgrade -- only other tanks besides SU-76 are:
Jagdpanther: elited, just working on crew perks & waiting until I have creds for a Ferd
Panther: upgraded, just working on eliting, then going to work on crew skills/perks (Panther II is waaaaay in future)
VK3601H: upgraded, just working towards Tiger (never driven a Heavy before)
Free XP is just kind of sitting there for me right now...
Yo Hoss, what is your username so i may kil...i mean find you in game. :whistle:
Quote from: katmai on April 26, 2012, 02:38:54 PM
Yo Hoss, what is your username so i may kil...i mean find you in game. :whistle:
Doghouse_Riley
I'd be up to doing a little Platooning in a little bit if you're in the mood...
:ccr
ANYONE up for some Platoonin' Action right about now? I've got a head full of beer & am all full of fun & shit... :P
I am doing some clan platooning, but if you are around later be happy to run with ya.
Thanks, but missed my window -- working 12 hours each today, Saturday & Sunday... :(
For shits & giggles I'm running around in a little T18 Tier II TD right now. So far:
3 games played
1 win, 2 losses
Survived once
8 enemies killed
I might keep this one around for a little while...
:ccr
Okay you wisened old tankers, guide me which path i should take first.
my Easy eight > T-20
T28 > KV
PzKpfw IV >VK3601(H)
T-28 to KV should be the easiest one. On the other hand, T28 to KV is pretty hard to pull off.
Quote from: DGuller on May 01, 2012, 10:04:21 PM
T-28 to KV should be the easiest one. On the other hand, T28 to KV is pretty hard to pull off.
I'm 5,000xp short of getting it compared to 15k short on T-20 and 10k short towards the VK.
Just wondering if getting KV is worth it with upcoming changes.
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2012, 10:11:51 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 01, 2012, 10:04:21 PM
T-28 to KV should be the easiest one. On the other hand, T28 to KV is pretty hard to pull off.
I'm 5,000xp short of getting it compared to 15k short on T-20 and 10k short towards the VK.
Just wondering if getting KV is worth it with upcoming changes.
It's going to be quite overpowered after the changes, as opposed to ridiculously overpowered.
And you'll get a free garage slot, so it's probably worth it.
Quote from: frunk on May 02, 2012, 06:27:23 AM
And you'll get a free garage slot, so it's probably worth it.
Only if you research the KV-2 turret, for which time is running short if you don't already have KV.
Check this out...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120502_1341_usa-T95_mannerheim_line%205%20kills%20SW.wotreplay
HAHAHA I love how A. no one cared or even noticed how awesome you were tanking... B. A fucking wallet warrior i.e. Lowe had the gull to call you a kill thief...
It was pretty nice though just sitting there like a baws.
About half way through I actually glanced down expecting to be almost dead and was all "Holy shit, they haven't even scratched me!"
And yeah - kill stealing? Really?
There should be a Blokhin medal to award for performances such as those.
The funny thing about the accusation of kill stealing (Other than my 19 hits on 23 shots) is that I was rather consciously NOT going for kills, but trying to take down targets that I knew others would have trouble with, like the IS-4 and T30.
I have a really good T95 replay, where I win the battle at the last minute with my 4th kill, when all the Russian spectators have already discounted me. Too bad it's on 7.3 beta 1, so it won't play in the regular WoT.
I had an entertaining match recently in my VK 3601. I was near the top of the MM but most of the enemy tanks were T5 Heavies so it wasn't going to be a pushover. It started out bad when I missed a T-50 that was zooming past me. Fortunately he looped back around instead of going for the Arty and I tracked him for someone else to kill. I saw three heavies (two KVs) coming down one side and a BDR G1B tangling with one of our heavies perpendicular to the KVs. I zoomed around the corner before the KVs eyeballed me and finished off the BDR just as he blew up our heavy. Continuing on I take out a damaged Churchill peaking around at me before backing up and checking on the KVs.
They are tied up with a couple of our other tanks, both sides playing peekaboo. I damage the non-KV before someone else blows him up. Rather than fight the KVs head on I go around the block lining up shots from behind. I kill the KVs in three shots, one of them a miss when my finger slips on the mouse. My side of the battlefield is now clear and I head toward the flag, killing a damaged T-14 with his attention elsewhere. I miss out on top gun when the two arty remaining are taken by the other players.
In all of that I took one damaging shot from the T-50 and one non-penetrating shot from the Churchill for 5 T5 heavies killed. I think I made 10 shots total during the battle. The added entertainment was how confident one of the KV drivers was that they were going to wipe us out.
Quote from: frunk on May 02, 2012, 02:53:53 PM
I had an entertaining match recently in my VK 3601. I was near the top of the MM but most of the enemy tanks were T5 Heavies so it wasn't going to be a pushover. It started out bad when I missed a T-50 that was zooming past me. Fortunately he looped back around instead of going for the Arty and I tracked him for someone else to kill. I saw three heavies (two KVs) coming down one side and a BDR G1B tangling with one of our heavies perpendicular to the KVs. I zoomed around the corner before the KVs eyeballed me and finished off the BDR just as he blew up our heavy. Continuing on I take out a damaged Churchill peaking around at me before backing up and checking on the KVs.
They are tied up with a couple of our other tanks, both sides playing peekaboo. I damage the non-KV before someone else blows him up. Rather than fight the KVs head on I go around the block lining up shots from behind. I kill the KVs in three shots, one of them a miss when my finger slips on the mouse. My side of the battlefield is now clear and I head toward the flag, killing a damaged T-14 with his attention elsewhere. I miss out on top gun when the two arty remaining are taken by the other players.
In all of that I took one damaging shot from the T-50 and one non-penetrating shot from the Churchill for 5 T5 heavies killed. I think I made 10 shots total during the battle. The added entertainment was how confident one of the KV drivers was that they were going to wipe us out.
I tend to do that sometimes when I play KV. :blush: If I see that the enemy is out-KVed, and it's a fairly low tier match, I pre-emptively offer condolences to them for their poor matchmaking luck. I don't remember having to eat my words, though. :whistle:
Quote from: DGuller on May 02, 2012, 02:03:01 PM
I have a really good T95 replay, where I win the battle at the last minute with my 4th kill, when all the Russian spectators have already discounted me. Too bad it's on 7.3 beta 1, so it won't play in the regular WoT.
Doesn't count on test anyway. I mean really, you didn't earn that tank!
You gotta have some other good replays though...
I really like this one - mainly because I think it is a good example of how to run a medium properly. You want to be agressive, but the timing of that agression is key...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120412_1608_germany-E-50_murovanka.wotreplay
Another quick question for you guys.
How big is your depot?
Curious to see how many tanks people hold on to.
Just got the KV and grinding away towards the KV-2 turret.
Quote from: katmai on May 03, 2012, 06:40:32 PM
Another quick question for you guys.
How big is your depot?
Curious to see how many tanks people hold on to.
Just got the KV and grinding away towards the KV-2 turret.
I have about ten tanks. Except for KV, I don't hold on to the tanks that I leveled out.
Heh okay with only 2,595 xp to research the KV-2 turret took only like 4 matches.
I have:
Primary/Active tanks:
T95
IS4
E75
E50
M40/43
T29
"Reserve"
M18
T34
SU152
Other:
KV
KV-3
Tanks I've researched but never bought:
Ferdinand
SU-51
Both of these I am only keeping until the patch.
I don't hang onto tanks much after they are researched. I did hold onto the PZIV for a long time though.
Cool thanks guys, was wondering if i was doing something odd by not holding on too many older tanks. So far only one that i have is my original Sherman.
I looked at some of my replays, having been inspired by Berkut's ejaculation. I didn't realize how much I spaz with looking around all the time. Watching some of my replays gives me vertigo. I pretty much scan everything in the front 180 degrees of view continuously.
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Check this out...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120502_1341_usa-T95_mannerheim_line%205%20kills%20SW.wotreplay
:lol:
nice armor!
10 Tanks, most of the extra slots from specials they've had.
Still in progress:
Panther
T25
M7 Priest
SU-8
B1
Elited:
VK 3601 (H) (waiting on cash to buy Tiger)
GW Panther (favorite Arty)
SU-26 (second favorite Arty)
Tetrarch (premium)
M3 Stuart (premium)
I've had a lot of good games with the VK, so it'll be a sad day when I sell it. I keep thinking about getting rid of the two premium tanks as they really aren't my style and I do terribly with them.
Quote from: Tamas on May 04, 2012, 01:19:47 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Check this out...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120502_1341_usa-T95_mannerheim_line%205%20kills%20SW.wotreplay
:lol:
nice armor!
What was funny was everyone at the beginning saying "Hold back, let them come around the corner!"
I was thinking "No artillery? I am near top tier? Fuck that, I am driving right around the corner..."
The only problem with that of course is if the bad guys sending something around my flank. That shouldn't be a problem since there was plenty of back up, but I've had matches where in similar situations nobody supports the T95 and just sits back and lets them get blown away by some medium parked on its side.
Quote from: Berkut on May 04, 2012, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: Tamas on May 04, 2012, 01:19:47 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2012, 12:52:48 PM
Check this out...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120502_1341_usa-T95_mannerheim_line%205%20kills%20SW.wotreplay
:lol:
nice armor!
What was funny was everyone at the beginning saying "Hold back, let them come around the corner!"
I was thinking "No artillery? I am near top tier? Fuck that, I am driving right around the corner..."
The only problem with that of course is if the bad guys sending something around my flank. That shouldn't be a problem since there was plenty of back up, but I've had matches where in similar situations nobody supports the T95 and just sits back and lets them get blown away by some medium parked on its side.
Yeah I was wondering while watching, if they were to help you with the flanking attempt, which they did. Sadly it is rare indeed.
No arty is TD time, yeah.
I understand the need for SPGs to remove camping from the game, but so often I find matches to be much more tactical and about good positioning on the whole map, when there is no uber-arty to fear.
Quote from: katmai on May 03, 2012, 06:40:32 PM
Another quick question for you guys.
How big is your depot?
Curious to see how many tanks people hold on to.
Six in my depot:
Jagdpanther (elited, favorite to play, will keep until have creds for a Ferd)
Panther (wip)
Grille (wip)
T82 (wip)
SU-76 (elited, use it for cred farming/noob harvesting, will upgrade when crew is 100%)
VK3601H (kinda just bumping up crew skills until crew is 100% and/or have creds for a Tiger)
Also note that I don't have a Premium account & don't play all THAT often, so my skill level/progression rate aren't going to be all that high...
:ccr
I'm actually pretty excited about this sale, since I was going to buy a Tiger this week anyways:
http://worldoftanks.com/news/1247-military-parade-special/
Quote
Tankers!
On May 8, 1945 Germany officially surrendered, resulting in a victory for the Allied forces in World War II's European campaign. To celebrate this momentous occasion, we are holding the Military Parade Special, offering many of your favorite discounts and bonuses.
Starting at 1130 UTC on May 7, 2012 and lasting until 1100 UTC on May 11, 2012 the following discounts and bonuses will be active. Curious what time this is in your region? Use this handy Time Zone Converter to help you out.
x5 experience for the first victory of the day on each of your tanks
50% discount on equipment
50% discount on 100% Tank Academy training
50% discount on Crew Skill reset
15% discount on one-year Premium account
15% discount on half-year Premium account
58% discount on Premium ammunition
50% discount on the credit cost of:
T-43
KV-13
IS
SU-152
S-51
SU-14
PzKpfw V Panther
VK 3002 (DB)
PzKpfw VI Tiger (P)
PzKpfw VI Tiger
Jagdpanther
GW Panther
T20
T25 AT
T25/2
T29
M12
AMX 13 90
AMX M4 (1945)
:ccr
I am annoyed.
I am ready to sell my T29 and move onto the T32, but now I have to wait because the T29 will only sell for 1/2 price! Grrh.
Hopefully they will drop 7.3 in the next couple days though...
Quote from: Berkut on May 07, 2012, 09:37:49 AM
I am annoyed.
I am ready to sell my T29 and move onto the T32, but now I have to wait because the T29 will only sell for 1/2 price! Grrh.
Hopefully they will drop 7.3 in the next couple days though...
It will be out tomorrow.
Sweet! 7.3 tomorrow, and they have a Victory Day bonus code - make sure you guys get it entered before the 11th.
Give you:
QuoteTankers!
In honor of Victory Day and the ongoing Military Month specials we are pleased to offer you a fantastic bonus code:
Extra Combat Rations - x5
Case of Cola - x5
Chocolate - x5
Improved Combat Rations - x5
Strong coffee - x5
1 day Premium Time
http://worldoftanks.com/news/1248-victory-day-bonus-code/ (http://worldoftanks.com/news/1248-victory-day-bonus-code/)
Quote from: C.C.R. on May 07, 2012, 05:42:51 AM
I'm actually pretty excited about this sale, since I was going to buy a Tiger this week anyways:
:ccr
I'm nowhere near ready to buy any of those tanks, fuck you very much.
But glad that i got the KV researched just in nick of time.
So, did you get the bobblehead for your KV?
Quote from: DGuller on May 07, 2012, 05:58:37 PM
So, did you get the bobblehead for your KV?
:huh:
Do you mean the turret, i did so i'll be getting the KV-2 at 100% crew trained.
OK, I chose wisely - one game so far in my new Tiger (stock except for what I could transfer from the VK3601 & added a shell rammer) & I got a Hat Trick. I should just retire it now...
:P
I hope those without premium cashed in their bonus code already. If you did it before midnight PDT you got another free day of premium (http://worldoftanks.com/news/1246-73-update/).
QuoteThe Global Map for Clan wars will be unavailable for twenty-four hours starting on May 8, 2012 at 00:15 PDT (07:15 UTC) until 00:15 PDT (07:15 UTC) on May 9th.
All users with premium accounts active at the start of maintenance will receive a one-day compensation added to their premium account starting May 7, 2012 at 21:00 PDT (May 8th 04:00 UTC).
Trying to figure out these new maps. And the free KV-2 is first fully trained crew so trying to wrap my head around best skills for the crew.
I bought a t-34 now I know why so many people buy prem tanks... you guys seen the french arty yet? Short range but hits a hell of a punch!
Yay!!! Finally got my Ace Tanker Mastery Badge on my SU-76 with an awesome Top Gun on Komarin -- sat in the depression in the southeast corner & jacked out six noobs as they came at me one at a time (helps that I staked a friendly arty out like a piece of meat to lure them in & draw their fire away from me :P ). I hit Ace Tanker a LOT quicker in my T82 (once I ditched that turkey turd of a 76 & put a 57 on there), but I suspect that has more to do with people grinding through the T82 A.S.A.F.P. to get the T40 then it does any real skill on my part...
:ccr
Ohh, the 105 is the fun gun on the T82. You can one shot almost every single tank (barring heavies) you meet.
Quote from: frunk on May 09, 2012, 09:10:10 AM
Ohh, the 105 is the fun gun on the T82. You can one shot almost every single tank (barring heavies) you meet.
:yes: I recall one battle where I ambushed five tanks one by one, and dispatched them all with one shot, on the way to my team's 15-0 victory.
So what's new in 7.3 other than the Russian line changes? Have they fixed HE yet?
The new IS-4 is interesting. Still has the nice IS-4 armor, but the new gun is definintely an adjustment from the awesomeoness of the S-30.
It is...well, it is German. Decent ROG, highly accurate, and great pen...
Quote from: DGuller on May 09, 2012, 11:28:29 AM
Quote from: frunk on May 09, 2012, 09:10:10 AM
Ohh, the 105 is the fun gun on the T82. You can one shot almost every single tank (barring heavies) you meet.
:yes: I recall one battle where I ambushed five tanks one by one, and dispatched them all with one shot, on the way to my team's 15-0 victory.
Haven't tried the 105 yet -- part of it is me being cheap, part of it is Play Style, part of it is "I've already played the Hetzer 105mm DERP, why bother?" Am I really missing out, or am I just fine rolling with what works to Cred Farm? FWIW, my best game in the T82 with the 57 was was the one where I damaged 9 tanks without getting a kill -- at least four of them knocking off 70%+ of their HP before teammates finished them off. Out of the 9, 8 of them were killed -- the last one was when I got a piece of an SU-85B when he stuck his head out right before a teammate & I finished capping. It's safe to assume that I got Confederate out of that one...
:ccr
The T82 105 thows more damage down range at a slower rate than the Hetzer, but the big advantage is its lower tier. The number of bigger, tougher tanks is a lot less.
Quote from: frunk on May 09, 2012, 01:27:19 PM
The T82 105 thows more damage down range at a slower rate than the Hetzer, but the big advantage is its lower tier. The number of bigger, tougher tanks is a lot less.
OK, frunk -- on YOUR advice I have just dropped the 40k creds on a 105. If it sucks, I might (or might not) say something smarmy to you... :P
frunk, you go to hell -- I just DGuller'd a teammate... :P
The Power!
Quote from: frunk on May 09, 2012, 02:56:38 PM
The Power!
:P
I'm going back to the 57 -- I can hit somebody 4 times & kill them in the amount of time it takes me to hit them once with the 105 & knock half their HP off. I can see where it would be mildly amusing in the "LOL They Went BOOM" category, but the 105 just isn't helping me pay for my sinful, wicked Tier VII German habit...
:ccr
Quote from: C.C.R. on May 09, 2012, 02:40:26 PM
frunk, you go to hell -- I just DGuller'd a teammate... :P
Hey! :mad:
Up to you. The chances of multiple crits go way up with the derp, not to mention the "killing them before they shoot back" aspect. The 105 shot is slower, which makes fast moving targets tougher. Still, the T82 has enough speed you could just chase them down. ;)
On the forums the 57 and 105 seem to be equally popular, but I've always preferred the pure wrath of god aspect of the 105.
I generally prefer derp guns, but they are trickier to use. There is less margin for error with the aiming, and you have to be really good at not presenting yourself as a priority target for the enemy.
This just in: the short 88 still guzzles choad. Film at eleven... :P
I survived 43 of them :lol:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8162%2F7167409410_4f7d1d5883_b.jpg&hash=5951804753f6fd352441e52a10a3093efc5cfc19)
Quote from: C.C.R. on May 09, 2012, 08:59:10 AM
Yay!!! Finally got my Ace Tanker Mastery Badge on my SU-76 with an awesome Top Gun on Komarin -- sat in the depression in the southeast corner & jacked out six noobs as they came at me one at a time (helps that I staked a friendly arty out like a piece of meat to lure them in & draw their fire away from me :P ). I hit Ace Tanker a LOT quicker in my T82 (once I ditched that turkey turd of a 76 & put a 57 on there), but I suspect that has more to do with people grinding through the T82 A.S.A.F.P. to get the T40 then it does any real skill on my part...
:ccr
Just got my Mastery on M7 :w00t:
Quote from: C.C.R. on May 09, 2012, 04:10:06 PM
This just in: the short 88 still guzzles choad. Film at eleven... :P
It's ok at tier 6, wholly terribad at tier 7.
Yeah, short 88 is the gun that is useful in an extremely narrow range. Kind of pathetic, really, even taking into account the general difference between history and the game.
Just shot an SU-152 eight times at POINT BLANK RANGE & only penetrated once & damaged his gun once. All I could do was laugh, mainly so I wouldn't cry. I had him down to 1% before he killed me -- I think a teammate's radioman pulled his sidearm out to finish him off...
:P
ugh the stupidity of some of these people amazes me.
Master Gunner, Reaper and Sharpshooter in T-34 ^_^
Greatest irritation recently - We're up at the end with 5 tanks to 2. I'm in an M7 Priest, they have a KV down to 7% and a full strength Hetzer. Two of our tanks get killed and I miss my shot on the KV. What I failed to notice was our other two players, a T14 and another Arty, had gone AFK. The Hetzer catches and kills me in plain sight of the T14, and I'm wondering why he isn't doing anything.
heh yeah had similar thing where was on base defense with T-20, Hummel and myself in T-34. T-20 ends up going afk leaving me to deal with two Ferdinands and an IS3.
Suffice to say I didn't survive that encounter.
But biggest frustration is when whole team decides to go one flank, and then wonders why we have base capped. I've stopped and played D a few times but when it's 10-1 odds doesn't matter what tank i'm in.
The pic of my T-14 getting hit 44 times was me vs 5 tanks.
1st match the Tier7 T-20 medium tank. Not a bad start if i do say so.
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What's with reversing the use of dashes? Russian tanks have dashes, American tanks don't. Russians have T-34. Americans have T34. Miscommunication kills.
Dashes are clearly a communist plot.
Quote from: DGuller on May 10, 2012, 05:11:36 AM
What's with reversing the use of dashes? Russian tanks have dashes, American tanks don't. Russians have T-34. Americans have T34. Miscommunication kills.
What is odd is that they choose to use confusing names for fictional tanks.
You can call it anything you like - so why call it something that has already been taken?
Well, the consensus seems to be that the IS4 as it is now has no pace in Clan Wars.
Finally got an IS-7 last night though.
I am broke, with lots of garage space.
Quote from: katmai on May 09, 2012, 11:47:13 PM
But biggest frustration is when whole team decides to go one flank, and then wonders why we have base capped. I've stopped and played D a few times but when it's 10-1 odds doesn't matter what tank i'm in.
I find it best to not trust anybody under Tier VI. I actually cringe when I see that I'm at the Top of the Heap in a Tier VII, because for every time I clean up in that slot I'll have two games where I just do OK & another three games where I get my ass spanked -- generally from dipshit teammates all rushing the same side or camping at our base in lights or mediums on Malinovka or being too busy typing how they're The Shit & not busy enough playing. I used to get pissy about it, but now I've gotten better about keeping my mouth shut & just doing the best that I can at the role I'm supposed to be playing. Stranded all by myself in a JP at the eastern crossroads on Ruinberg & get swarmed by four enemy AMX's because 13 teammates went city? Meh. Another day at the office. My "Bad" for going where I'm supposed to go without checking to see if I'm by myself, should've camped by the arty so that we could all get swarmed & die Together. Hit exit battle, choose another rig & move on.
To be fair, though, a lot of the problem is that in anything Tier IV & under you basically have to TK somebody to not make a profit on creds, and even people that otherwise would know what they're doing take chances that they wouldn't take in a higher-tiered vehicle because they're generally just grinding the rig to move up, cred farming or just plain fucking off because, well, they can. Tier V is where you just start having monetary consequences for your actions & the Learning Curve is starting to take effect, and Tier VI is where the grind to the next Tier starts being a bit of a bitch.
Or something. Sorry. Morning coffee kicking in & rambling. Will shut up now...
:ccr
I just got Steel Wall on my KV-1s ... in a tier 8 battle. :lol:
Managed to bag a Jumbo, a Type 59, a VK3601(H) and a light AMX. Damaged a Tiger II and set an AMX 100 on fire. All in all, not a bad round.
It's funny how it sometimes work to brawl with your Jagdtiger. I never look for the opportunity of course, but there are times when you have to, and you meet people who just see the huge lumbering Tier 9 monstrosity, and think it means their one or two tier difference disadvantages them too much. So instead of rushing me and cornering me to a wall, they play pikaboo. THANK YOU VERY MUCH! :menace:
Just now bought my long 88 for my Tiger -- which means that in my first game I'll get tracked by somebody that I don't see & arty'd out before I can fire a shot...
:P
And my first shot bounced off of a T34 on Westfield... :lol:
I went on to kill 100% of a KV-3 before getting jacked out by an IS-4, though, & my team won, so hopefully the Tiger just got a lot more fun... :)
Jumped into my new KV-13. Can't use anything above the shitty 76mm though, since I don't have enough free xp for the tower ... bounces, bounces everywhere.
Quote from: Iormlund on May 10, 2012, 12:08:20 PM
and set an AMX 100 on fire
I love setting enemies on fire, so much so I've started wetting the bed... :blush:
I love my little american TD
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Quote from: C.C.R. on May 10, 2012, 08:14:04 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 09, 2012, 11:47:13 PM
But biggest frustration is when whole team decides to go one flank, and then wonders why we have base capped. I've stopped and played D a few times but when it's 10-1 odds doesn't matter what tank i'm in.
I find it best to not trust anybody under Tier VI.
I wish the stupidity was limited to Tier VI and below though :P
And don't get me wrong I pull some dumb moves myself on maps when learning, I know for fact I'm still learning so much fighting in T34 as been first chance in the higher tier matches against folks with a lot more match practice....hell i was looking at friends list and you all have at least 3x as many matches as i do at least :D
T-150 or KV-1S?
oooh or VK3601?
New top match ever:
Victory!
Battle: Mountain Pass Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:41:51 PM
Vehicle: E-75
Experience received: 11,010 (x5 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 73,840
Battle Achievements: Mastery Badge: Ace Tanker, Boelter's Medal, Top Gun
8 kills. Had 2 arty lined up, but one of em got me after I missed my shot on the GWP.
Quote from: Berkut on May 10, 2012, 07:53:09 PM
New top match ever:
Victory!
Battle: Mountain Pass Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:41:51 PM
Vehicle: E-75
Experience received: 11,010 (x5 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 73,840
Battle Achievements: Mastery Badge: Ace Tanker, Boelter's Medal, Top Gun
8 kills. Had 2 arty lined up, but one of em got me after I missed my shot on the GWP.
Very nice.
Started playing this again since I'm waiting for Diablo 3 to release next Tuesday.
Goddamn I am rusty. Out of maybe eight games I've only won once. Can barely make a scratch in my T-34 since all of my matches have seen me as the absolute bottom tier tank. Having a little more luck in my trusty old Marder.
In a fit of fun I bought a Type 59 to farm credits and troll a little bit ("hey im 12 how do i use t59??")
what is your username funk? i'll add you and maybe unlike CCR and Berkut you won't ignore messages from me and we can platoon :P
FunkMonk :)
I think i can remember that. :)
Quote from: katmai on May 10, 2012, 08:58:57 PM
what is your username funk? i'll add you and maybe unlike CCR and Berkut you won't ignore messages from me and we can platoon :P
Pffft. I answered you back once -- like 24 hours later... :P
exactly.... :(
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Quote from: Berkut on May 10, 2012, 07:53:09 PM
New top match ever:
Victory!
Battle: Mountain Pass Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:41:51 PM
Vehicle: E-75
Experience received: 11,010 (x5 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 73,840
Battle Achievements: Mastery Badge: Ace Tanker, Boelter's Medal, Top Gun
8 kills. Had 2 arty lined up, but one of em got me after I missed my shot on the GWP.
Got a replay?
Quote from: DGuller on May 10, 2012, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 10, 2012, 07:53:09 PM
New top match ever:
Victory!
Battle: Mountain Pass Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:41:51 PM
Vehicle: E-75
Experience received: 11,010 (x5 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 73,840
Battle Achievements: Mastery Badge: Ace Tanker, Boelter's Medal, Top Gun
8 kills. Had 2 arty lined up, but one of em got me after I missed my shot on the GWP.
Got a replay?
Plus you know what they say... if it's not on Facebook or YouTube it didn't happen!
Quote from: DGuller on May 10, 2012, 10:41:56 PM
Got a replay?
How do you do the replays anyways? I r Noob
Quote from: katmai on May 10, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 10, 2012, 10:41:56 PM
Got a replay?
How do you do the replays anyways? I r Noob
It's actually quite simple. The steps are:
1) Do not have WoT open.
2) Find the replay file in explorer.
3) Double click on it and wait for WoT to load.
4) Eventually WoT will load with the replay.
5) You can fast-forward through it, especially through the first couple of minutes where Berkut's T95 begins the process of moving 15 feet forward, but be careful, because
6) Once you go through the replay, you're done with it. You can't rewind it, you can only fast-forward it. If you missed something, go back to step 1.
7) Note to self how utterly fucking retarded all of this is.
Thanks DG, but missed my question completely... :P
I meant how do i enable for my fights, which i found out already.
Quote from: DGuller on May 10, 2012, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 10, 2012, 07:53:09 PM
New top match ever:
Victory!
Battle: Mountain Pass Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:41:51 PM
Vehicle: E-75
Experience received: 11,010 (x5 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 73,840
Battle Achievements: Mastery Badge: Ace Tanker, Boelter's Medal, Top Gun
8 kills. Had 2 arty lined up, but one of em got me after I missed my shot on the GWP.
Got a replay?
Sure:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120510_2042_germany-E-75%20Max%20match.wotreplay
Looking at your replay, man i wish i had such low ping :(
Quote from: FunkMonk on May 10, 2012, 08:57:18 PM
Started playing this again since I'm waiting for Diablo 3 to release next Tuesday.
Same here.
For a bit of variety I started on US tanks, or, more precisely, the new branch of turreted TDs, which looks great. The first few of them look like could they be played just like my beloved AMXs. Is that a fair assumption?
Quote from: Berkut on May 10, 2012, 11:19:19 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 10, 2012, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 10, 2012, 07:53:09 PM
New top match ever:
Victory!
Battle: Mountain Pass Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:41:51 PM
Vehicle: E-75
Experience received: 11,010 (x5 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 73,840
Battle Achievements: Mastery Badge: Ace Tanker, Boelter's Medal, Top Gun
8 kills. Had 2 arty lined up, but one of em got me after I missed my shot on the GWP.
Got a replay?
Sure:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120510_2042_germany-E-75%20Max%20match.wotreplay
You know, for that being my "best result ever" in XP earned and total kills, I really fucked up a lot...
Quote from: katmai on May 10, 2012, 07:43:26 PM
T-150 or KV-1S?
oooh or VK3601?
Bump you bastards! I'm seeking your wizened counsel.
I personally liked KV-1S, but I also know that I'm in a considerable minority. I think KV-1S teaches you how to play Soviet medium heavies, and those are some of the most badass tanks out there. As for your second question, 3601 is pretty formidable when tricked out. I don't know how it compares to oooh, though, I never played that one.
Hardy har har.
I meant between all three of them as i have the xp for all, but funds for only one.
Hetzer gonna hetz (with the lolgun) :cool:
I killed 4 of them while on base defense as whole team went one flank again :lmfao:
Oh this was in KV-1.
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replay or it didn't happen
Quote from: katmai on May 11, 2012, 11:23:51 PM
I killed 4 of them while on base defense as whole team went one flank again :lmfao:
Oh this was in KV-1.
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Have you entertained the idea of hiding behind cover? :hmm:
:lol:
I was only one of defense with 4 or more tanks coming at me. On the Steppes map
Berk- I have it, but am embarrassed at how poorly i played.
Quote from: Berkut on May 11, 2012, 01:01:04 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 10, 2012, 11:19:19 PM
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120510_2042_germany-E-75%20Max%20match.wotreplay
You know, for that being my "best result ever" in XP earned and total kills, I really fucked up a lot...
:hmm: Story checks out.
Who is Pope_shizzle, bastard kicked my ass just now :(
Quote from: FunkMonk on May 11, 2012, 10:49:43 PM
Hetzer gonna hetz (with the lolgun) :cool:
:cool:
Quote from: katmai on May 11, 2012, 09:10:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 10, 2012, 07:43:26 PM
T-150 or KV-1S?
oooh or VK3601?
Bump you bastards! I'm seeking your wizened counsel.
I liked my KV-1s, at least once you get the 122mm. It plays it like a mid with a great gun.
I don't know about the T-150 since I sold mine without playing a single game.
The VK3601(H) is my most successful tank. I've got like 62% win ratio on it.
And yet, I don't really like it. It is brilliant against low-tier enemies, thanks to its armor, HP and DPS. But it doesn't fight them that often.
The VK3001(H) is probably better on high-tier matches, since it's much faster.
Quote from: Tamas on May 12, 2012, 04:20:46 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on May 11, 2012, 10:49:43 PM
Hetzer gonna hetz (with the lolgun) :cool:
:cool:
I love it when I'm top of the tier in a match with the Hetz. Just now I one-shot two dudes, two-shot another two, and laughed at a PzIII who tried to flank me because he realized his shots kept bouncing off my front glacis. He ended up with some high explosive TO THE FACE.
Quote from: Iormlund on May 12, 2012, 10:00:42 AM
I liked my KV-1s, at least once you get the 122mm. It plays it like a mid with a great gun.
I don't know about the T-150 since I sold mine without playing a single game.
The VK3601(H) is my most successful tank. I've got like 62% win ratio on it.
And yet, I don't really like it. It is brilliant against low-tier enemies, thanks to its armor, HP and DPS. But it doesn't fight them that often.
The VK3001(H) is probably better on high-tier matches, since it's much faster.
Iorm, thanks for input.
Since i was always planning on German path i went and picked up the VK3601(H).
I only started the KV path because of free tank and garage slot with 7.3 patch.
Also after talking with Berkut in game last night researching down the French line for the Bat Chat :P
Quote from: katmai on May 12, 2012, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on May 12, 2012, 10:00:42 AM
I liked my KV-1s, at least once you get the 122mm. It plays it like a mid with a great gun.
I don't know about the T-150 since I sold mine without playing a single game.
The VK3601(H) is my most successful tank. I've got like 62% win ratio on it.
And yet, I don't really like it. It is brilliant against low-tier enemies, thanks to its armor, HP and DPS. But it doesn't fight them that often.
The VK3001(H) is probably better on high-tier matches, since it's much faster.
Iorm, thanks for input.
Since i was always planning on German path i went and picked up the VK3601(H).
I only started the KV path because of free tank and garage slot with 7.3 patch.
Also after talking with Berkut in game last night researching down the French line for the Bat Chat :P
I have to say I am really enjoying the french line. I liked every tank expect for the b-1 it is way to under powered... I really like my amx 12t so far though bdr is very fun too
Quote from: Iormlund on May 12, 2012, 10:00:42 AM
The VK3601(H) is my most successful tank. I've got like 62% win ratio on it.
And yet, I don't really like it. It is brilliant against low-tier enemies, thanks to its armor, HP and DPS. But it doesn't fight them that often.
The VK3001(H) is probably better on high-tier matches, since it's much faster.
Totally agree (except for the "success" part -- I sucked in mine until the last 40 or so games before I ditched it for the Tiger). Liked the VK3001H waaaaaay more than my Panther because of the speed. The VK3601H was useful as a mid-range scout for heavies & TD's since it could take some punishment, but that short 88 combined with its slow speed kind of put you at a disadvantage against Tier VII or higher, which you see fairly often...
Shade, yeah i picked up the amx 12 last night, was fun zipping around the slowbies firing 6 shots in their rear and then scooting away.
Yup and I hear it only get faster and deadlier! My favorite is to play all the amx like meds and sit way back and snipe then I w8 until about 25-50% of enemy is dead. After which I zip around and take out artys and anything at base... it is much fun and very successful as it draws people away form front (2-3 usually) and that means that my guys on the front lines have an easier time crushing though allowing me to get a win most of the time (at the expense of a small repair bill.
Quote from: Shade on May 12, 2012, 09:14:17 PM
Yup and I hear it only get faster and deadlier!
Why I am going down the tree to the Bat Chat, i hate fighting them and i've found i like the speedy medium over the heavy behemoths of later tiers.
Yes me two that is why I want to go for the amx idc if people do not like it as a tier 10 i think it will be very fun to be a speedy heavy for a change
What I like the most about the French lights is that playing them never feels like a grind. Unlike so many other tanks, you will have a chance to shine even in high tier games, as long as you play your cards right.
Quote from: Shade on May 12, 2012, 09:14:17 PM
Yup and I hear it only get faster and deadlier! My favorite is to play all the amx like meds and sit way back and snipe then I w8 until about 25-50% of enemy is dead. After which I zip around and take out artys and anything at base... it is much fun and very successful as it draws people away form front (2-3 usually) and that means that my guys on the front lines have an easier time crushing though allowing me to get a win most of the time (at the expense of a small repair bill.
The problem with sniping is that you rarely have a chance to pen high tiers from the front, and your ammo load is limited. I generally find that it works best to scout one flank for the big guys until the gap develops.
Had a hilarious death in my Tiger just now. I was tracked and my turret couldn't turn, so I stayed locked on a SU-152...that didn't move. Killed him just before I died.
Can someone give me some hot newb tips? I am having a lot of fun but I don't hit anything much. I'm using the T-1 light tank with a riced out engine and hispanic cannon.
Especially with low tier tanks, either stop and let the targeting settle before shooting, or run right up and ram/shoot the tank. If you stop to shoot make sure it isn't in the middle of a field where everybody and their grandmother can wail on you. Hiding behind bushes or solid objects is good.
Quote from: Jaron on May 13, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
Can someone give me some hot newb tips? I am having a lot of fun but I don't hit anything much. I'm using the T-1 light tank with a riced out engine and hispanic cannon.
Make sure to try out the various vehicle types (lights, heavies, tank destroyers) as soon as you can. While various tanks within a category may drive quite differently, these are the major "style" categories. So you should check all out and see what's good for you.
Lights and mediums are the main trolling tanks, I guess that's up your alley :P
Lights are either scouts or flankers depending on their specifics.
Mediums are flankers and supports of the main heavy drive.
Heavies are more often "tank" tanks but of course they carry some big-ass guns most of the time.
Tank Destroyers are snipers, and support.
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
Trying to figure out these new maps. And the free KV-2 is first fully trained crew so trying to wrap my head around best skills for the crew.
And, what did you think were the best skills? Still have to pick them myself...
Still having some problems differentiating strengths & weaknesses of KV-1 & KV-2 -- was sooooo used to dealing with the Trollcanon on the old KV that I'm not up to speed on the guns on the two offshoots...
Quote from: miozozny on May 14, 2012, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 08, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
Trying to figure out these new maps. And the free KV-2 is first fully trained crew so trying to wrap my head around best skills for the crew.
And, what did you think were the best skills? Still have to pick them myself...
IMO, once you get into the higher tiers, repair is critical for heavy tanks. You will get tracked a lot, and you only have 1 repair kit, which you need to save for ammo and gun damage, mostly.
Same is true for mediums, just not quite to the same extent.
Band of Brothers is a great perk, but your entire crew has to be at 100% on it, so in that sense it is a very "expensive" perk.
I think 6th Sense might be the best perk in the game for a commander for almost any tank.
Mentor is great as well when you are first training a crew.
Clutch braking is a great skill for heavy and TD drivers.
Camo of course for all TDs.
Repair for heavy TDs.
Just had a really, really fun Tier VII game in my Tiger -- I had 3 kills & wounded 5, but on at least 4 of those wounded I knocked off 90%+ of their HP & a little Hetzer teammate would immediately swoop in & finish them off. He ended up getting Top Gun, for which I am happy for him... :)
I knew there was a reason i kept my M4 around
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Derp or plinker?
Quote from: DGuller on May 15, 2012, 01:09:56 AM
Derp or plinker?
:unsure: If i understand the coded lingo :P
I have the 76mm M1A1 on.
Platooning with CCR, he is too embarrassed to admit it, but I'm making it easier for him to look good in our matches. ^_^
Quote from: katmai on May 15, 2012, 06:54:48 PM
Platooning with CCR, he is too embarrassed to admit it, but I'm making it easier for him to look good in our matches. ^_^
Yes. In a bad way in my Panther, in a GOOD way in my Jagdpanther... ;)
I would defiantly be up for platooning if anyone is on when I am. Screen Name is Shade135.
As I'm actually premium member atm can create 3 man platoons, i'll make sure to hit you up next time i'm on shade.
:) cool!
Wasn't bad today (katmai & I were playing Tiers VI-VIII rigs, and you're used to seeing up to Tier X with those anyways), but does it seem like MM screws you a little harder when you're platooning? I was platooning Tier III's with a buddy a few weeks ago & it seemed like we were getting fisted pretty hardcore on matchups every time. We ended up both playing arty for most of the night just to be quasi-competitive...
didn't seem any worse than usual for me lol.. when berkie and I did it we went from tier 4's up to tier 8 (me) and his tier 9-10's
Not for what we had tonight, no, I was talking more about platooning lower-tiered rigs...
Still don't get your point, I'm platooning with Jaron right now helping him learn the maps, and we aren't getting hosed in our MM in our tier II's
:lol:
It hoses you if the tiers are uneven. If katmai is playing with a Maus, and Jaron with a loltraktor, Jaron would be placed with tier 10 tanks.
Quote from: DGuller on May 16, 2012, 06:30:35 AM
It hoses you if the tiers are uneven. If katmai is playing with a Maus, and Jaron with a loltraktor, Jaron would be placed with tier 10 tanks.
This is true. For matches last night I stayed in Tier II just so he wouldn't be outclassed.
My experience with it was my buddy & I being Tier III's that were routinely being put with Tier VIII's -- when normally a Tier III wouldn't get lumped with anything higher than a Tier V. But, it was a Friday night, so who knows...
I think at one point platoons were indeed given a malus in the matchmaking, but I think that was taken out a while ago.
Quote from: DGuller on May 16, 2012, 09:13:00 PM
I think at one point platoons were indeed given a malus in the matchmaking, but I think that was taken out a while ago.
now you are just fucked by the MM even when alone :P
and I am not sure about that... an M5 and a tier IV TD platooned facing tier 7s? come on.
Quote from: Tamas on May 17, 2012, 02:12:42 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 16, 2012, 09:13:00 PM
I think at one point platoons were indeed given a malus in the matchmaking, but I think that was taken out a while ago.
now you are just fucked by the MM even when alone :P
and I am not sure about that... an M5 and a tier IV TD platooned facing tier 7s? come on.
The M5 is a scout, so gets placed in higher tier matchups.
Quote from: frunk on May 17, 2012, 08:26:31 AM
Quote from: Tamas on May 17, 2012, 02:12:42 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 16, 2012, 09:13:00 PM
I think at one point platoons were indeed given a malus in the matchmaking, but I think that was taken out a while ago.
now you are just fucked by the MM even when alone :P
and I am not sure about that... an M5 and a tier IV TD platooned facing tier 7s? come on.
and the TD is just fucked?
The M5 is a scout, so gets placed in higher tier matchups.
Yes just like your quoting.
Platooning only looks at the tank with the highest matchmaking.
Hey CCR, after more research i have to refute your assertion that team stupidity is more common in tier VI and under matches. :P
Meh, I am often wrong -- just ask my wife... :P
Quote from: katmai on May 17, 2012, 08:55:56 PM
Hey CCR, after more research i have to refute your assertion that team stupidity is more common in tier VI and under matches. :P
Ain't that the truth.
So is anyone else Besides Berkut involved with Clans and Clan Wars?
I'm getting close to tier 8 in Medium and Tier 7 in Arty and intrigued by them.
Gimme so more info yo!
I'm really liking the American Medium line.
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And the match before this had
Sharpshooter, Master Gunner 10 out of 10 in shots with 4 kills.
Quote from: katmai on May 19, 2012, 09:28:08 AM
So is anyone else Besides Berkut involved with Clans and Clan Wars?
I'm getting close to tier 8 in Medium and Tier 7 in Arty and intrigued by them.
Gimme so more info yo!
Stonewall IIRC.
Quote from: katmai on May 19, 2012, 10:35:10 AM
I'm really liking the American Medium line.
And the match before this had
Sharpshooter, Master Gunner 10 out of 10 in shots with 4 kills.
The T20 is awesome, probably the tank I liked most so far. Very flexible machine. The Pershing actually felt like a step down so far, as it is a bit sluggish.
Quote from: katmai on May 19, 2012, 09:28:08 AM
So is anyone else Besides Berkut involved with Clans and Clan Wars?
I'm getting close to tier 8 in Medium and Tier 7 in Arty and intrigued by them.
Gimme so more info yo!
Concept sounds like a lot of fun, but my fucked up work schedule + overly needy female immediate relatives = teh fail...
:(
My favorite tank so far, my T-29. Especially when I have battles like this replay (http://www.crafts4life.com/20120519_1918_usa-T29_malinovka.wotreplay)
Quote from: Iormlund on May 19, 2012, 01:09:39 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 19, 2012, 09:28:08 AM
So is anyone else Besides Berkut involved with Clans and Clan Wars?
I'm getting close to tier 8 in Medium and Tier 7 in Arty and intrigued by them.
Gimme so more info yo!
Stonewall IIRC.
Yeah bastard killed me in public match a few nights back. But he's not reading the forums i don't think, will have to bug him in game.
Quote from: C.C.R. on May 19, 2012, 06:52:12 PM
Concept sounds like a lot of fun, but my fucked up work schedule + overly needy female immediate relatives = teh fail...
:(
Quit the job and sell the women, Profit!
But yeah I am interested in checking them out, but my work can have me gone for 6 months (like I was in this game from aug-Jan ) :P
Quote from: Arvoreen on May 19, 2012, 06:53:54 PM
My favorite tank so far, my T-29. Especially when I have battles like this replay (http://www.crafts4life.com/20120519_1918_usa-T29_malinovka.wotreplay)
Argh, now I know where Shade gets his case of dash reversal from. :mad:
Quote from: DGuller on May 19, 2012, 09:42:50 PM
Quote from: Arvoreen on May 19, 2012, 06:53:54 PM
My favorite tank so far, my T-29. Especially when I have battles like this replay (http://www.crafts4life.com/20120519_1918_usa-T29_malinovka.wotreplay)
Argh, now I know where Shade gets his case of dash reversal from. :mad:
:huh:
Been playing a lot with katmai lately. I dominate the battlefield; he picks at my left overs.
Quote from: Jaron on May 19, 2012, 11:26:01 PM
Been playing a lot with katmai lately. I dominate the battlefield; he picks at my left overs.
That's one interpretation...
Jaron has found a calling as SPG, seems to be decent at it
So I logged into the game after quite some time, and everything seems messed up. I can see my tanks in the inventory, but not in my hangar - there's only the crappy French tank. The button labels are likewise messed up.
And it was solved by re-installing.
I love my BDR... especially with the 90mm this was my first battle with the gun... it was much fun! http://dl.dropbox.com/u/80539616/20120519_2058_france-BDR_G1B_westfeld.wotreplay
Sigh, early morning my time seems to be prime time for assclowns from overseas. Had three straight games with platoons of morons, first one some Indonesian base Clan, next two were germans.
http://worldoftanks.com/uc/tournaments/41-Military_Month_Post_meridiem_Challenge/
Click on "Battle Schedule - Show"
Or you can even go right here:
http://worldoftanks.com/uc/tournaments/41-Military_Month_Post_meridiem_Challenge/single_eliminations/88614-Playoff/?draw=1&rounds=4
I am the on field commander for "IRon man".
Our next match is going to be very tough though. On the other hand, we've already advanced far enough that we are going to win 1500 gold each regardless.
Nice
:)
Looks like after rough first round, you've been breezing.
Quote from: katmai on May 23, 2012, 11:00:39 AM
Nice
:)
Looks like after rough first round, you've been breezing.
The first round was a nightmare, and made me want to just quite.
AFter we went up 2-1, the other team switched to all TDs, and just camped in the buildings at their base. Completely refused to come out.
So we had 5 or 6 straight games were our team would move up to their base, get overwatch positions, try to shell them, and then rush right at the end to try and kill them, resulting everytime in a draw.
There was no way they could ever get a win, except by us killing ourselves. We did that once, and then after always left our arty back so they could not kill it, and hence could not get a win because we would not leave them enough time after our attack to cap.
Once we drew our 6th straight game I told them in game chat that we were sending all the replays in and contesting the outcome because they were playing to draws rather than playing for wins. We decided we would just attack and win or lose, and if we lost, we would contest.
Well, they got rather pissy when we stated that, but we just refused to argue and told them to read the rules. We then attacked, and I think because they were upset we told them we were going to contest, they actually came out of their base and we blew them away.
So while the final score was 3:2, it really wasn't that close - they could never have gotten 2 more wins if we had not just decided to stop drawing and take the loss and contest if necessary.
Ouch saw the pinche latinos knocked you out.
Yeah, they kicked our asses but good.
Fucking T49s raped us, and their arty guy was a freaking maestro with the SU-26.
Quote from: Berkut on May 25, 2012, 01:23:17 AM
Yeah, they kicked our asses but good.
Fucking T49s raped us, and their arty guy was a freaking maestro with the SU-26.
People play a SU-26 at that level? Why is that? When I play it I am not really impressed with the damage it does.
Well, the match has a 22 point limit, so the key is getting the best bang for the buck possible.
The SU-26 has an incredible rate of fire, is decently accurate, and when you are shooting at Tier 5 and below tanks, it is going to do pretty decent damage. I was two-shot in a PZIV by one. First round hit me, I started to move, second round took me out before I could get anywhere useful.
You know what annoys me....
when dipshits run into my tank, yet at end of battle i'm deducted credits because my tank isn't a little PoS that damages easily.
:angry:
Quote from: Berkut on May 26, 2012, 04:47:38 PM
Well, the match has a 22 point limit, so the key is getting the best bang for the buck possible.
The SU-26 has an incredible rate of fire, is decently accurate, and when you are shooting at Tier 5 and below tanks, it is going to do pretty decent damage. I was two-shot in a PZIV by one. First round hit me, I started to move, second round took me out before I could get anywhere useful.
Ah ok, if there's a limit it makes sense.
Quote from: katmai on May 27, 2012, 04:12:16 AM
You know what annoys me....
when dipshits run into my tank, yet at end of battle i'm deducted credits because my tank isn't a little PoS that damages easily.
:angry:
^_^ eeeps.
QuotePreliminary list of changes of v7.4 changes as compared with v7.3:
Content
Added two new combat modes that will be added to the random battle queue: Assault and Encounter.
Assault: one team defends the only base, the second team will try to capture it or destroy all enemy vehicles. The mode is active for Erlenberg, Prokhorovka, Westfield, Karelia, Malinovka, Sand River, and Siegfried Line.
Encounter: both teams will attempt to capture the only base in the map center, or destroy all enemy vehicles to win. The mode is activated for El Halluf, Murovanka, Steppes, Ensk, Himmelsdorf, Ruinberg, Malinovka, Sand River, and Siegfried Line.
Added two new maps: Airfield (North Africa) and Widepark (European town).
Added French TDs: Renault FT AC, Renault UE 57, Somua Sau 40, S 35 CA, ARL V 39, AC Mle.1946, AC Mle.1948, AMX 50 Foch.
Added French SPGs: Renault BS, Lorraine 39 L AM, AMX 105 AM, AMX-13 F3 AM, Lorraine 155 (50), Lorraine 155 (51), Bat. Chatillon 155.
Vehicles IS-6 and JagdTiger 8.8cm KwK43 L/71 are added to the in-game store, available for all players.
Two premium vehicles were added, available for supertesters only: Dickermax - German TD of tier 6, and T26E4 SuperPershing - American MT of tier 8.
Added one camouflage for each nation.
Added the option of training skills and perks for combined qualifications of crew (for example, training perks and skills of Radio Operator, when a Commander combines qualifications of a Commander and Radio Operator).
Added new medals:
"Expert" (by nation) - for destroying at least one example of each tank type, existing at that moment in the specified nation tech tree.
"Medal of Raseiniai Heroes" - for destroying the whole enemy team (not less than 14 vehicles).
"Technical Engineer" (by nation) - for researching all vehicles, existing at that moment in a certain nation's tech tree.
"Senior Technical Engineer" - for researching all vehicles of all nations, existing at that moment.
"Sinai Lion" - for destroying over 100 "IS" tanks of any model and vehicles based on its model.
Speaking of patch 7.4, this picture is for all those who thought the KWK 45 L/100 looked ridiculous:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff49%2F14%2F09%2F60%2F60%2Fshot_010.jpg&hash=cb9e6528ea07d2f0d56fa2cf8e7eefc33f3fe11a)
Overcompensating much, monsieur?
:lmfao: Is such a gun even physically possible? Shouldn't these thin and long guns at some point bend under their own weight, which I imagine is not a good thing? Never mind that you're going to dig that thing into the ground all the time.
No silly they make them out of Naqahdah so it is all good. :bowler:
Anybody have play time in the Slugger and or Hellcat?
Wondering which one to pick first.
Slugger is OK, especially once you get a 90 mm gun, but nothing special. Haven't played Hellcat.
Just had a pretty brutal battle. The bad news is that I didn't get to kill any enemy. The good news is that I did better than any of my teammates.
Quote from: DGuller on June 09, 2012, 10:32:06 PM
Just had a pretty brutal battle. The bad news is that I didn't get to kill any enemy. The good news is that I did better than any of my teammates.
Grats?
:unsure: :P
It's funny to look at my overall stats and see how shitty a shot i was back on tanks before i came back to playing game. I'm lucky to be over 50% hit percentage in those tanks, while all the newer tanks close to 70%.
Quote
Tier 10 Mediums and TDs announced
Today 07:00 General News Comments
Currently Tier 9 is the peak of a vehicle's class development for medium tanks and tank destroyers in World of Tanks. Quite often players ask game developers whether they are going to introduce Tier 10 for these two classes of vehicles. It is about time to give the exact and precise answer to that question - Tier 10 Meds and TDs will most definitely be introduced!
At the moment new vehicles undergo a balancing process; therefore, it's too early to speculate about final specifications of these long-awaited armored vehicles. However, it's known that all Tier 10 Meds and TDs will retain the specific tech tree features which are particular for the nation they belong to.
I would be curious to see what guns Tier 10 TDs get. I bet they would be at least quarter mile in length.
I didn't post the 2ndpart as a ton of pics, but...
QuoteObject 268" together with its 152 mm M64 gun will become a Tier 10 tank destroyer.
The German tank tech tree will be enlarged by the tank destroyer JagdPz E-100 with 17 cm PaK 45 gun on board.
The American nation will be reinforced by two new Tier 10 anti-tank vehicles. Players who have T95 will be able to open T110E3 tank destroyer. This vehicle will have a non-rotating turret and a 155 mm AT gun T7.
The branch of the US tech tree with turret-rotating tank destroyers which are currently headed by T30, will be amplified with T110E4. The particular feature of that TD will be a partially rotating turret (rotation angle – 180 degrees). The 155 mm AT Gun T7 will be its top weapon
Cassette loader – It's the key feature of the French vehicles. Tier 10 TD AMX 50 Foch will have it as well. The gun SA 58 AC will have 3 shells in the drum.
We would again like to remind you that the above mentioned information is not final. The vehicle specifications listed above can be subject to change prior to their official in-game release.
Journey of the Leichttraktor (http://youtu.be/Bu2PWIowvZI) :lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 17, 2012, 10:13:07 AM
Journey of the Leichttraktor (http://youtu.be/Bu2PWIowvZI) :lol:
:lmfao:
Quote from: DGuller on June 17, 2012, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 17, 2012, 10:13:07 AM
Journey of the Leichttraktor (http://youtu.be/Bu2PWIowvZI) :lol:
:lmfao:
The charge of the KV derp guns was what turned it from simply amusing to brilliant.
brilliant :lmfao:
Nice arty battle here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120619_1339_usa-M40M43_hills.wotreplay (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120619_1339_usa-M40M43_hills.wotreplay)
Nothing terribly exceptional really, no awards or anything, but I liked a couple things about it:
1. My ass was saved by Sixth Sense. I think I would have been dead before a single kill without it, and
2. I killed a Batchat DF, because I am awesome and the bat driver sucks.
And all the commentary from the other team is pretty amusing.
I've actually researched the T92, but don't have the credits to buy it, so have been playing my M40/43 to get the crew to their next training level. Everyone on the crew but the last loader now has 3 skills, and the second loader has 2 with the 2nd at 99%.
I run my 40/43 with rammer, GLD< and camo net.
QuoteTankers! It's happening!
The server will be coming down for maintenance while we apply the 7.4 update. The game will be unavailable for six hours on June 20, 2012 from 01:00 PDT (08:00 UTC) until 07:00 PDT (14:00 UTC).
Clan Wars will be unavailable for twenty-four hours starting on June 20, 2012 from 00:15 PDT (7:15 UTC) until June 21, 2012 at 00:15 PDT (7:15 UTC).
Sigh the general stupidity rampant in public matches seems to be exacerbated by the new battle modes with 7.4.
"what do you mean we don't have a flag to defend?"
"why are we spawned in this place?"
Read the fucking patch notes people.
How did it make it past the beta? In some battles there is now only one base. :huh:
It is supposed to be that way... a new battle mode. One team is 'defense' other is 'offense'. Defense defends the flag....
I think I've had the best battle of my 6,000 battle career yet. Started in the bottom 5 in my AMX 13 90, and got a Top Gun in the end. :w00t: The only damage that I suffered I inflicted on myself, by strategically ramming a light tank that was trying to run past me.
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/gvqxpzpe692f5tx/TG%20-%2020120702_1939_france-AMX_13_90_siegfried_line.wotreplay
I've been off of this for awhile -- I got bored with this & Skyrim and have been on a Fallout: New Vegas kick. But I've got the day off, the kids are at Grandma & Grandpa's for a few days, I've got a fridge full of beer & nothing better to do until I start making dinner, so I'm finally DLing 7.4...
:ccr
I think my French Arty are snakebit. 27 games and only 9 wins. During that time I've killed 37 tanks and inflicted more damage per game than any of my other Arty of equivalent tier.
I'm not keeping track of stats, but I'm on a similar run with my Grille right now. But, fuck it -- with the Operation Cobra special going on right now I'm making double creds with it, so I'm just farming the hell out of it while I can. Put away some creds for a Jagdpanther II when 7.5 comes out...
:ccr
Farming the Grille is going well -- I'm up 600k creds today so far, which is Nice. Just wish that I'd stop getting 4-kill games & losing...
tell me about the T32
Quote from: Tamas on July 30, 2012, 06:23:56 AM
tell me about the T32
Meh tank, but gets solid results.
Sitting on a little over 3 million creds right now & have Panther II, Tiger II & Ferd all unlocked. Looking at the info about the upcoming Jagdpanther II, it looks like I'd rather have that over the Ferd (increased mobility fits more into my play style versus armor, plus Word Around The Campfire is that JPII's top engine is the same as Tiger, so already unlocked & less grinding with inferior equipment), but I'm probably going to have to grind out another 76k+ xp to unlock it. The German meds haven't really been interesting me, so not sure if I want to go Panther II, and as much as I want the Tiger II I'm still having a lot of fun with my Tiger & not sure if I want to upgrade yet.
Or something. I dunno. I don't know if I'm even asking anything, just thinking out loud...
The T32 is actually an excellent tank.
It has a decent gun, but more importantly, the frontal turret armor is ridiculous for a T8 heavy. Combined with excellent gun depression, and decent mobility, it is one of the best hull down tanks in the game.
I don't even bother trying to shoot at its front turret.
It is a great vehicle for its tier.
Bought a Ferd this morning. Fucking PAINFUL stock... :(
Quote from: C.C.R. on August 01, 2012, 08:17:53 AM
Bought a Ferd this morning. Fucking PAINFUL stock... :(
OK, much more betterer with upgraded suspension -- I can at least turn now... :)
Quote from: C.C.R. on August 01, 2012, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on August 01, 2012, 08:17:53 AM
Bought a Ferd this morning. Fucking PAINFUL stock... :(
OK, much more betterer with upgraded suspension -- I can at least turn now... :)
A big realization regarding the Ferd for me was that it works as a sort of assault support gun vehicle, ie. it is capable of going forward together with some heavies or mediums, under the right circumstances. But that is a playstyle you must completely forget by the time you buy the Jagdtiger, because that is a sniper.
Quote from: Tamas on August 02, 2012, 01:53:38 AM
Quote from: C.C.R. on August 01, 2012, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on August 01, 2012, 08:17:53 AM
Bought a Ferd this morning. Fucking PAINFUL stock... :(
OK, much more betterer with upgraded suspension -- I can at least turn now... :)
A big realization regarding the Ferd for me was that it works as a sort of assault support gun vehicle, ie. it is capable of going forward together with some heavies or mediums, under the right circumstances. But that is a playstyle you must completely forget by the time you buy the Jagdtiger, because that is a sniper.
I'm a loooooong way off from my Ferd being "a sort of assault support gun vehicle" -- I'm so slow right now that I'm risking putting a rend in the Space-Time Continuum & ending our universe as we know it... :)
Awesome fight:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120804_2158_germany-E50_Ausf_M_04_himmelsdorf.wotreplay (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120804_2158_germany-E50_Ausf_M_04_himmelsdorf.wotreplay)
Victory!
Battle: Himmelsdorf Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:58:36 PM
Vehicle: E-50 Ausf.M
Experience received: 3,828 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 91,116
Battle Achievements: Top Gun, Sniper, Defender, Sharpshooter, Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
Came down to the last shot.
Quote from: Berkut on August 04, 2012, 09:09:37 PM
Awesome fight:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120804_2158_germany-E50_Ausf_M_04_himmelsdorf.wotreplay (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20120804_2158_germany-E50_Ausf_M_04_himmelsdorf.wotreplay)
Victory!
Battle: Himmelsdorf Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:58:36 PM
Vehicle: E-50 Ausf.M
Experience received: 3,828 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 91,116
Battle Achievements: Top Gun, Sniper, Defender, Sharpshooter, Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
Came down to the last shot.
Sweet game. I'd have been livid about tracking that Lorraine three times in a row like that... :)
I've been playing a bit yesterday - finally got rid of my A-20 and moved to T-34. Still, I like tank hunters a lot better than medium tanks, so I may focus on those.
After losing some routine with the Jagdtiger, I tend to agree with Berkut from our earlier debate.
God damn I can hate that machine sometimes. The ONLY way to use it is to snipe, but I am REGULARLY spotted earlier than I can spot the people advancing on me, so how the fuck am I supposed to snipe? And when there are 3+ arties against me, once I am spotted it's just a flee until death, since I cant stop long enough to kill the one spotting me (assuming he is alone of course) unless he is a total douche.
I presume you have camo net and coated optics or whatever it is that gets you better view range?
Quote from: katmai on August 09, 2012, 01:54:19 AM
I presume you have camo net and coated optics or whatever it is that gets you better view range?
yes. camo net appears to be utterly useless, I will put my repair kit back on instead. The peeking thingie (I have the cheaper periscope kind of thing) is useful. But when my camo-netted ass is being decimated by what turns out to be a T30, which only becomes visible for me when it starts moving close, then I get PISSED OFF.
The JT CAN work at times, but it is too prone of needing a specific set of circumstances.
I've started a tactic of hiding with my TD between heavies and mediums if I'm on a map without decent sniping positions. Similar to how I stick to the bigger guns when I'm in a medium/light and at the bottom of the match's tier list.
Quote from: Syt on August 09, 2012, 02:25:18 AM
I've started a tactic of hiding with my TD between heavies and mediums if I'm on a map without decent sniping positions. Similar to how I stick to the bigger guns when I'm in a medium/light and at the bottom of the match's tier list.
yeah that can work, but with the JT you are often left alone, and close-range fighting even as a support gun is a big no-no as EVERYONE, and I do mean everyone knows that the lower half of your front is made out of grey-painted cardboard with the transmission (ie. fire-prone engine) right behind it.
I think yesterday's biggest problem was the invasion of artilleries. I had 3 minimum per match. And they LOVE the JT.
Also, fuck Wargaming. Somebody on the forum pointed out, how the difference between real-life dimensions of the Jagdtiger and the new Russian tier X TD is just 50 centimeters in height (the russian being smaller by that much). for that "drastic" difference (other dimensions are kind of the same), the Russian TD gets TWENTY TIMES more camo value than the JT.
Wargaming uses camo value as one of its fudge factors to make certain tanks better than others.
They hates teh Germanz... :(
And it's not just the Jagdtiger, but arty (or at least me in an arty) will shoot at anything that's not really moving that much or that fast...
And a Tanks Day promo coming up in about 12 hours:
http://worldoftanks.com/news/1478-happy-tanks-day/
24 hours of Premium & some Free Shit that'll sell for about 250k creds, if that's your Thing...
:ccr
Quote from: Tamas on August 09, 2012, 02:49:22 AM
Also, fuck Wargaming. Somebody on the forum pointed out, how the difference between real-life dimensions of the Jagdtiger and the new Russian tier X TD is just 50 centimeters in height (the russian being smaller by that much). for that "drastic" difference (other dimensions are kind of the same), the Russian TD gets TWENTY TIMES more camo value than the JT.
Well, it's hardly linear in real life, is it? A tank that's 1 meter high is probably more than three times as stealthy as the tank that's 3 meters high.
It may not be linear, but if you look (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au-0ejftw524dEd4a0hURjB3eTV5SE1vX1RBVlJDSlE#gid=2) at all of the tanks the camo values seem to have only a loose relationship to their actual size.
Some of the weirdest are the tanks that for some reason don't lose much camo when they fire or move. I can kind of get that for TDs versus other tanks, but it isn't remotely consistent.
Yes. And when my 3-skilled, 100%, camo-netted, binoculared, prone-sitting JT gets spotted by a T30 which it cannot see in return, you know something is fucked up.
Quote from: Tamas on August 09, 2012, 08:49:00 AM
Yes. And when my 3-skilled, 100%, camo-netted, binoculared, prone-sitting JT gets spotted by a T30 which it cannot see in return, you know something is fucked up.
Maybe you're just twitchy? I find it best to not drink a lot of coffee before I play a TD I'm going to snipe with...
:D
use the X button so you don't turn accidently :P
Take off the baskets with beet harvest before going into battle.
oh ha-ha!
Preview of the Version 8 updated graphics renderer. Looking pretty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWlAwC4P0rY&feature=player_embedded
Looking sweet! Can't wait to drive around with my settings turned up :)
Quote from: DGuller on August 09, 2012, 09:31:27 AM
Take off the baskets with beet harvest before going into battle.
:lol:
Quote from: Syt on August 09, 2012, 12:06:29 PM
Preview of the Version 8 updated graphics renderer. Looking pretty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWlAwC4P0rY&feature=player_embedded
Oooh, that DOES look pretty. I so love a nice backdrop to virtually killing people & breaking shit. Looking forward to leaves fluttering down from the tops of walls that I shoot with HE to expose my targets...
:ccr
Wow. Not generally a whiner, but this one annoyed me:
Mountain Pass, Tier IX battle, in my Ferd with mid-level engine & 88 gun (cheaper ammo, faster reload & better pen than 10.5, don't have 12.8 researched yet). Started north side, was only one to go to bridge. Was holding off a SuperPershing, a VK3601H & another Ferd single-handedly. Maybe I would have won out, maybe not, but I would have been occupying three enemy tanks for Awhile -- had not my dumbass teammates let two M18's in right up the middle & behind me. Fuckers took what would have been, at worst, A Valiant Holdout & turned it into a steamy pile of net-credit loss crap. Fuckers...
:(
Wouldn't have happened if you ever platooned with me still :whistle:
Quote from: katmai on August 09, 2012, 06:20:56 PM
Wouldn't have happened if you ever platooned with me still :whistle:
Lick me...
:P
Bears preseason game is on in about a half hour, then after that gonna redeem my code special & play the living fuck out of this for awhile if you're up to some Platooning later on tonight...
:ccr
Getting annoyed. Bears preseason game kickoff is delayed due to lightning (fags), so trying to redeem my Tanks Day code & connection keeps timing out. Fuckers. Want to get my Daily Doubles with Premium so they're 3x instead of 2x...
:mad:
Hey, by any chance do any of you guys go by the handle Whelms [SLR]? The dude keeps sending me invites to the Training Room & Tank Company, but he never answers me when I (politely, believe it or not) ask him who he is & what he wants. I'm starting to feel a little Stalked here & am about ready to Ignore his ass if it's not one of you guys...
:ccr
I have been farming the JT heavily. I don't care if I can hate it's gameplay at times, and that the Jpz E-100 is ought to be the same shit tenfold, I will have that 170mm gun if that's the last thing I'll do in WoT. I am halfway the XP counting my free xp in, but less than halfway on credits. 6 millions WTF.
Anyways, now that my routine is back with the JT, I have good rounds with it. With 4 arties per side though, I just know that I won't last long, so I dont work myself up that much over it.
In general, with this tank, if you think you have set up far enough from the frontline, make sure to reverse back a bit more.
Also it is these kind of tanks where teamplay becomes painfully apparent (well, the lack of it especially). when I do abysmal, there are tons of arties, or lack of teamplay. Probably both.
LOL, Tier VII match on Ensk in my Hummel. 5 shots, 5 kills -- the bitch is that one of them was a total BS miss TK. The kicker is that I've got A Blue Name now despite jacking out three enemies before the TK & another one after...
:P
Quote from: C.C.R. on August 15, 2012, 10:39:45 AM
LOL, Tier VII match on Ensk in my Hummel. 5 shots, 5 kills -- the bitch is that one of them was a total BS miss TK. The kicker is that I've got A Blue Name now despite jacking out three enemies before the TK & another one after...
:P
OK, took me about four games to get rid of it. Given the circumstances I wouldn't say that Justice Has Been Served, but It Is What It Is & it's over with...
On another note, what are all of your handles so that I can "Friend" you & stalk you when you are online? I'm
Doghouse_Riley...
Finally got the 128 for my Ferd this morning. Couple of thoughts:
1) It's fairly fun. Good pen, good damage, and ammo is VERY reasonably priced compared to the 105 ammo for the Jagdpanther. Which brings me to:
2) It really, really made me realize how out of fucking whack everything involved with the Jagdpanther's 105 really is. Shitty pen, meh damage, and expensive as all fuck. I can't believe I did as well with the Jagdpanther as what I did for as LONG as I did. As soon as I finish grinding that fucker out to research the JPII (about 15k xp left) I'm selling that fucker outright & giving it's crew an Extended Vacation until I can afford a JPII...
:ccr
If you already have a Ferd, why are you getting a JP2?
Quote from: Berkut on August 16, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
If you already have a Ferd, why are you getting a JP2?
Because that's what I really wanted in the first place, but those 3 million creds were burning a hole in my pocket & felt like doing Something with them at the time.
The mobility of the JPII would definitely fit my style more than the Ferd, plus since I have Tiger & 12.8 researched it would be fairly easy for me to squirrel away the 14.5k free xp for the suspension & fully upgrade the thing Out of the Box, allowing me to go on A Rampage (assuming that the thing handles comparably to the Jagdpanther, which is my understanding. Hell, I'd be happy with just putting a 12.8 on a regular Jagdpanther & calling it a Tier VIII. The only thing that stops me with that thing is the shitty pen & inevitably running up against a T34 or KV-5 30 seconds into a game)...
:)
My SU-85B has been elite status for some time, but I still like driving it now and then (and the SU-85 isn't nearly as much fun so far). It has ridiculous punch for Tier IV, is quick and agile, and has almost no armor. But it's just fun to play if you know what you're doing. With 50 battles under its belt (not much, I know), I'm in the top 5% XP wise with this tank.
With the A-20 and T-34 (similar amount of battles) I'm only in the top 50% and 20% respectively.
SU-85B is fun as hell. Pulled a Top Gun with mine the other night with only 7 shots -- sure, three of them were arty, but spiking all three of the enemy arty in one battle was kind of cool on it's own...
:ccr
LOL, just RageQuit my Ferd, sold it & my Jagdpanther & bought a Jagdpanther II. Holy fucking shit, this thing is fun as balls. Still need to grind out the suspension so that I can buy a Rammer, but so far I've got three solid kills (no garbage 1% mop ups) in three games, am making a profit & having fun -- which is ultimately what counts. Just couldn't handle how slow the Ferd was anymore. It rocked right up until you got spotted, then you spent the rest of your game life trying to (poorly) manuver away from enemy fire, only to die an expensive, lonely & pointless death.
This is what I wanted in the first place, but settled for the Ferd at the time because that's what there was. Have a feeling that I'll be keeping this for awhile & not even bothering to buy a Jagdtiger. Instead going to start focusing on moving up the American heavy tree. Even bought myself a T2 today to start...
:ccr
Quote from: Syt on August 20, 2012, 04:50:53 AM
My SU-85B has been elite status for some time, but I still like driving it now and then (and the SU-85 isn't nearly as much fun so far). It has ridiculous punch for Tier IV, is quick and agile, and has almost no armor. But it's just fun to play if you know what you're doing. With 50 battles under its belt (not much, I know), I'm in the top 5% XP wise with this tank.
With the A-20 and T-34 (similar amount of battles) I'm only in the top 50% and 20% respectively.
You are talking about these mastery badges? Or is there some way to see how you do on average compared to others?
Is SU-85B easier than SU-76. Have not been doing to well with that one...though sniping tanks might just not fit my style.
Yes, those little badges that pop up when you go to "Battle Performance" or whatever it's called at the top.
I thought the SU-76 was fun, but I liked the SU-85B a lot better. Its stock gun isn't too good, but it gets an awesome one down the tech tree. I also invested in binoculars, camo net and speedload thingy (I take those from tank to tank normally, when I upgrade), and have my crew focused on camo, loading and general performance ("Brothers in Arms").
Have had like 10 battles in the Jagdpanzer E-100. The whinefest prepared me for how the tank is, and I could live with how highly situational it is (like the trollcannoned KV-2, I am finding it to be more of a city-dweller tank), what I can't bear, it is the 0 damage penetration hits.
Due to the long reload time, the slow maneuverability, and being spotted from miles due to the insanse size, every shot with this monster is an event in itself. Which is kind of okay, because when it does damage, it really DOES DAMAGE. Except when it's not. I can understand dings. Well, accept them, anyways, but when you get like 3 shots on an open-air map, and one dings, while two goes "penetration" and 0 damage (one on a frail ISU-152), you get frustrated.
well the key seems to be "not be left alone". I earned about 70k credits with it today, just to lose it all back in like 5 games. I just couldn't get into a team where I wasn't left alone to cover a flank against several opponents, or wasn't rushed to oblivion before I could leave base.
Speaking of left flank. The other day I had a game in my T-34 (tier V) vs. mostly tier VI. Map was that snowy mountain map with the narrow pass on the bottom left.
Everyone went to the right, with only me and two TDs and an arty left in the base. I decided to peek over to the left (no one else seemed interested). I had made it 2/3 through the pass when I met two KV-1S and a Pz-IV. I managed to slowly retreat, taking pot shots, while avoiding their heavy guns, slowing them down quite a bit. I tried to get the team's attention, but they were busy getting themselves slaughtered piecemeal on the right side. Needless to say we lost.
Which was not as bad as one of the following games. Malinovka. We were on the top left. Opponent was down to 4 tanks, we had 5. Three of us headed to their base. Two staid behind, just outside our base. I got taken out by an arty, the other two tried to capture the base. Only that the opponent had gotten the drop on us and were already ahead with the base capturing. The two guys at our base were busy shooting at targets on the far side of the map, instead of guarding our base twenty meters behind them. And that was how we lost the battle.
I am now 110k credits down from the high point of the day. It's my worst run "financially" in WoT, ever.
Quote from: Tamas on August 26, 2012, 05:53:23 AM
Have had like 10 battles in the Jagdpanzer E-100. The whinefest prepared me for how the tank is, and I could live with how highly situational it is (like the trollcannoned KV-2, I am finding it to be more of a city-dweller tank), what I can't bear, it is the 0 damage penetration hits.
Due to the long reload time, the slow maneuverability, and being spotted from miles due to the insanse size, every shot with this monster is an event in itself. Which is kind of okay, because when it does damage, it really DOES DAMAGE. Except when it's not. I can understand dings. Well, accept them, anyways, but when you get like 3 shots on an open-air map, and one dings, while two goes "penetration" and 0 damage (one on a frail ISU-152), you get frustrated.
That's pretty much why I gave up on my Ferd -- was already running into this situation (though obviously less expensive), and figured that it would only get worse with the Jagdtiger & JP E-100. Fuck it. Just wasn't fun for me...
I have come to like my Ferdie over time, but I understand your decision - if the Jagdpanther II lets you continue the Jagdpanther I playstyle, just with the Ferdie's gun, it must rock.
While I am still incredibly sucky with the JpzE100, there is one thing I must admit: it has armor. Compared to the Jagdtiger at least. Often I find myself abandoned by my team, circled by mediums/lights, pot-shotted by heavies and TDs, with incoming arty fire. And often it takes them quite a while to wear me down. So when it is hopeless, I just say "fuck you guys!", and turn around stationary, shooting whoever I can, while they carve me down to zero HP.
Of course, any arty hit landing in front of you destroys your gun, but still.
Anyone have any thoughts/reactions to the new patch? Hill and lake related fatalities are very high today. :nelson:
Damn them for putting in a new Matilda... preying on my weakness for slow as tar tanks.
I'd been taking a break from this for a couple-few weeks, installed the update to 8.0 & garage totally black -- can't see anything. Am currently DLing the full install package instead of the torrent to see if that helps...
:ccr
Quote from: C.C.R. on October 07, 2012, 07:11:17 AM
I'd been taking a break from this for a couple-few weeks, installed the update to 8.0 & garage totally black -- can't see anything. Am currently DLing the full install package instead of the torrent to see if that helps...
:ccr
I've had trouble repeatedly with the game when I missed a couple of updates and then went back to playing it. Fresh install usually solved this.
Quote from: Syt on October 07, 2012, 07:29:05 AM
Quote from: C.C.R. on October 07, 2012, 07:11:17 AM
I'd been taking a break from this for a couple-few weeks, installed the update to 8.0 & garage totally black -- can't see anything. Am currently DLing the full install package instead of the torrent to see if that helps...
:ccr
I've had trouble repeatedly with the game when I missed a couple of updates and then went back to playing it. Fresh install usually solved this.
Got it figured out. Had to jack the graphics settings all of the way down to low to get it to show up. Doesn't seem like I should have to do that, but It Is What It Is. It's not like I play WoT for the stunning scenery & shit...
:ccr
WoT Skeet Shooting (http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/164778-world-of-tanks-skeet-shooting/page__hl__%20skeet%20%20shooting)
8.1 will add British tanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s1JetBbGXFQ
Anybody get any confirmation if we're getting a free garage slot to accomodate the new line of British tanks?
Quote from: C.C.R. on November 01, 2012, 05:28:23 AM
Anybody get any confirmation if we're getting a free garage slot to accomodate the new line of British tanks?
Well, in Europe we did get the tier 1 British tank in a fresh new garage slot.
Yep, same here. Just took the Mk I out for a test drive. Made the obligatory "I'm stock :( " joke, then got 2 kills, a Master Gunner, a 2nd Class Mastery Badge & 2,005 XP (x5 this weekend for first win) in my first game with it. Normally I'd research everything right now, dump it & move on to the next level, but I've got a buddy coming over tonight that plays & we like to platoon, but he doesn't play as often as I do & everything in my garage is past his level, so gonna elite the Mk I out & grind it to train the crew today & platoon with it with Bryan tonight.
Mmm, beer & WoT...
:ccr
Quote from: C.C.R. on November 02, 2012, 07:44:15 AM
Yep, same here. Just took the Mk I out for a test drive. Made the obligatory "I'm stock :( " joke, then got 2 kills, a Master Gunner, a 2nd Class Mastery Badge & 2,005 XP (x5 this weekend for first win) in my first game with it. Normally I'd research everything right now, dump it & move on to the next level, but I've got a buddy coming over tonight that plays & we like to platoon, but he doesn't play as often as I do & everything in my garage is past his level, so gonna elite the Mk I out & grind it to train the crew today & platoon with it with Bryan tonight.
Mmm, beer & WoT...
:ccr
You may want to get another tier 1 for that...with all these slow heavyhitters around driving something a little faster can be real fun. :)
What is the typical crew training strategy for low tier tanks? My personal strategy is to slum it with 50% crew for the first three tiers, since they go by too quickly to waste credit on re-training, and then go with 75% option starting with tier 4.
Quote from: DGuller on November 02, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
What is the typical crew training strategy for low tier tanks? My personal strategy is to slum it with 50% crew for the first three tiers, since they go by too quickly to waste credit on re-training, and then go with 75% option starting with tier 4.
I'll usually pay for the 75% option starting with Tier III, and start paying for equipment (rammer, gun laying drive) at Tier VII...
And I said screw Bryan, with the x5 special this weekend I wasn't leaving upgrades on the table. I upgraded to a Mk II a little bit after my last post, played a few games (getting my ass handed to me), and am about to upgrade to a Mk III...
So what is unique to british tanks? I.E. Americans have heavy turret, germans are big, french have autoloader, russians are op.
Brits have a unique combination of extremely heavy heavy tanks (ie they weight a lot and are really slow) yet with piss poor armor mated to tiny ass itty bitty guns.
It truly is an impressively original take on armored warfare.
What are the thoughts on the gold round change? IMO, I wish they didn't make this change. It's a zero-sum game, but now it's a zero-sum game with more credits spent on ammo.
Matilda has got to be the biggest joke of a tank. A medium tank that tops out at 20 kph and for all intents and purposes can't climb hills? FTW is this shit? The only thing I can't figure out is why it's so damn deadly in my hands. :hmm:
Quote from: DGuller on November 03, 2012, 09:16:08 PM
What are the thoughts on the gold round change? IMO, I wish they didn't make this change. It's a zero-sum game, but now it's a zero-sum game with more credits spent on ammo.
Not a big fan of that change. In theory, this move levels the playing field, since everyone can get premium ammo without having to spend real money now. In practice however, the costs are so insanely high that it creates a sharp divide between people who have premium accounts and/or tanks and thus can afford regular use of premium shells and those who don't.
Another bad thing is the complete devaluation of armour thickness, right after patch 8.0 actually increased it with the reduction of shell normalisation.
I just got this game and love it. Im still learning, but getting more and more into it. What is the best way to get a good class III tank? Im aiming for the PzIII, but it takes ages to climb up the research-tree. Also, are you guys on some special server, or how do you hook up?
There is only 1 North American server.
The best way to climb the research tree (and later the credits tree) is to get a premium account. The game is "free", but to be completely honest, it isn't really playable, IMO, without a premium account.
I actually agree on the issue of gold rounds - honestly, I would rather they didn't even exist.
Although I did break down and buy some when they are half price for my Matilda. The 75mm howitzer with gold rounds is actually bearable.
I stopped though, when I realized I was going to be paying out about 40-70 gold per round, even at half price. That is just not sustainable for me.
I have a premium acc, but I still only get 30-100 research points per battle, making the 1500 I need a long slow grind of watching shells bounce off french, british and russian tanks..
There is no way you are getting 30 xp per battle with a premium account.
No, Im getting 1000-something in xp, but the research-figure only grows by 30-70
The what? What is a research-figure?
I think he means free XP. Which is actually just convenience XP not tied to a specific tank. The regular XP is found directly on the specific tank that earned it. Just check the research screen.
Yeah, free xp
Im driving one of those special tanks T-15 or something.
So, are you guys saying that if Im driving a PzII, the research to PzIII will go faster?
Quote from: Bluebook on November 04, 2012, 11:11:10 AM
Yeah, free xp
Im driving one of those special tanks T-15 or something.
Ah, then it's a premium tank. Those tank are outside the regular techtrees, so you cannot research other vehicles from them, nor upgrade their modules. You have two options on them:
1. Activate crew training (crew member with the least overal amount of xp gets his XP gains doubled). This is very useful, since Premium vehicles can be used by any crew of the same nation and class without retraining.
I for example have a T-50-2 soviet light tanks. Through free bonus codes I also have a Tetrarch and a T-127, both soviet premium light tanks. I only have one light tank crew: trained for the T-50-2, which can also use the other two tanks at full efficiency.
2. Let the regular XP accumulate on the tank for later conversion into free XP (costs 1 Gold to convert 25 XP into free XP). Only usefull if you plan on pumbing insane amounts of real money into the game, since later modules can easiliy cost 50k and more XP.
A tip for free XP: Try not to tap into that pot too often. Use it only to get an early upgrade on a particularly shitty stock tank tank. A good example would be the tier 6 french TD, that comes with a tier 3 stock gun. To mount the better guns from earlier TDs you have to upgrade the tracks first, which cost 5k XP.
Quote from: Bluebook on November 04, 2012, 11:31:33 AM
So, are you guys saying that if Im driving a PzII, the research to PzIII will go faster?
About 20 times as fast, yes. ;) Free XP is only 5% of the regular XP earned in a battle.
Quote from: Berkut on November 04, 2012, 10:01:30 AM
The best way to climb the research tree (and later the credits tree) is to get a premium account. The game is "free", but to be completely honest, it isn't really playable, IMO, without a premium account.
I disagree, you can play perfectly fine without premium. Just don't expect to get through the research tree very fast (or the upper tiers at all), and be sure to figure out the types of tanks you like before you buy them. The low tiers are great for that since tanks are relatively cheap. As long as your goal isn't to get to tier 10 playing free is a great deal of fun.
FINALLY!
Now I have a PzIIIA with 50mm gun. Is this the end of the five-hits-to-kill nighmare?
Wow, that was a world of difference. Finally I can go head to head with the tier III-tanks
Quote from: Berkut on November 04, 2012, 10:01:30 AM
I actually agree on the issue of gold rounds - honestly, I would rather they didn't even exist.
Although I did break down and buy some when they are half price for my Matilda. The 75mm howitzer with gold rounds is actually bearable.
I stopped though, when I realized I was going to be paying out about 40-70 gold per round, even at half price. That is just not sustainable for me.
I find that for most tanks, gold rounds are just extremely not cost effective. On lower tiers, they can cost 10x-20x as much, and offer only marginal improvement in penetration. That's because smaller calibers fire APCR, I find that in general, APCR rounds are just not effective enough, since they still lose penetration over distance, and don't punch much harder.
HEAT rounds, on the other hand, can be worth it. My M103 still doesn't have top gun, and I find that HEAT rounds compensate for it rather nicely, and cost less than 2.5x as much as regular AP ammo. I figure that the savings from less bounced shots and less fire received may make HEAT ammo worthwhile.
Premium ammo is a big problem on certain tier 8 premiums: They generate enough money to still earn a profit and their main weakness (poor penetration guns) is completely bypassed. I am thinking mostly of the Super Pershing, Type59 and KV5 here.
It is also ridiculously effective on some tanks armed with howitzers. I've seen Shermans twoshot tier 5 heavies and tier 7 mediums....the SU-152 und KV2 are also plain evil now, twoshotting tier 8 heavies.
Well, HEAT ammo did historically kill the concept of heavy tanks, so it's not unrealistic. However, it sure does fuck with the game balance now. Howitzer guns, which used to be an annoyance at higher tier levels, can now Panzerfaust anything.
Well, crap. Turns out the HEAT ammo I so loved for M103 due to its cheapness is ain't so cheap now. It was at half price. Now with 4x the cost, I'm going to have to go back to firing solid shot. At these levels, credits are not XPs are what's limiting you.
So, just started messing around with this game, so I have too many questions and I am probably screwing myself over already but...
1) As I progress up the Tiers of tanks, do I delete the previous version I was using? i.e. use the same slot.
Quote from: Strix on November 04, 2012, 07:46:23 PM
So, just started messing around with this game, so I have too many questions and I am probably screwing myself over already but...
1) As I progress up the Tiers of tanks, do I delete the previous version I was using? i.e. use the same slot.
Sell, not delete. And yes, practically speaking, you would typically sell the previous version, especially once you have a crack crew that you would want to retrain for the new tank. You don't have to sell the previous version, but it's impractical to keep all the tanks.
I wouldn't sell the tier 1s until you get enough games to elite them (have enough experience to research all upgrades and tanks). First off it'll give you experience in low tier, low stakes games. Second it'll let you jump down new tank paths easier once you decide what you like.
Crap, I sold my tier 1 tanks in a fit of euphoria. I can get them back for free, but without the 5-star thing.
The main reason for keeping your elite tanks (at least those you enjoy playing): the XP you earn with them converts to Free XP.
Quote from: Bluebook on November 05, 2012, 09:34:19 AM
Crap, I sold my tier 1 tanks in a fit of euphoria. I can get them back for free, but without the 5-star thing.
They are free to buy back, but if you ditched the crew/upgrades you'll have to suffer/buy them back. Not a big deal overall.
Quote from: Syt on November 05, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
The main reason for keeping your elite tanks (at least those you enjoy playing): the XP you earn with them converts to Free XP.
Yes, but at a very high and impractical cost.
Quote from: DGuller on November 05, 2012, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 05, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
The main reason for keeping your elite tanks (at least those you enjoy playing): the XP you earn with them converts to Free XP.
Yes, but at a very high and impractical cost.
Only if you think playing a tank you enjoy playing is a high cost...
Quote from: miozozny on November 05, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: DGuller on November 05, 2012, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 05, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
The main reason for keeping your elite tanks (at least those you enjoy playing): the XP you earn with them converts to Free XP.
Yes, but at a very high and impractical cost.
Only if you think playing a tank you enjoy playing is a high cost...
What DGuller meant is: You have to spend real money to convert XP stored on a elited vehicle into free XP. Otherwise the XP stays on the vehicle and is useless, since there is nothing left to research.
Example: You have elited your Leichttraktor, so there is no research left. Since you just love that tank so much, you continue to play. Next battle earns you 1000 XP that are bound to the Leichttraktor. You also get 50 Free XP (once again: You ALWAYS get 5% of earned XP as bonus free XP, regardless of elite status or not). To turn the 1000 XP into fee XP, you have to pay 1000/25=40 Gold.
This is simply not very economic, since 1000 free XP is pretty much nothing. To research the 12,8 cm on the Ferdinand costs 63000 xp. To get that much free XP just by conversion costs. 2520 Gold. For me that would be 10 Euro. For one single module on a tier 8 TD.
LOL, about went ballistic on my dumbass, dead teammates. Tier V standard match on Erlenberg, driving my KV-1. I get my first 4 kills because I basically got left holding the bag in the valley by myself, but I clear it, swing around & pick up my 5th kill shooting an M4 in the ass. I move in towards the river, and in some goofy ass melee it works out where it's my KV-1 (at about 80%) left against the two enemy Tier III arties -- basically a Wet Dream scenario. There's about 7 1/2 minutes left in the match, so I hole up between a couple of buildings close to my base because, well, if *I* were one of the two arties I would go for the cap. That's the way I roll.
But my teammates are fucking screaming at me to go cap. Because, like, it's apparently a brilliant idea to go 1 against 2 with all sorts of time left on the clock & let the enemy know *exactly* where I am at. I'm arguing with them back & forth for awhile. My original plan was to sit tight until 3 minutes left before I went hunting, but they were pissing me off, so I wait until 2 minutes left. Cross the bridge, there's one arty right there - BAM. Top Gun. Incoming round splash damages me, so I know that the other one has an idea where I was, so I go cruising around the cap waiting to see if I can get him to stick his nose out. Nothing. All the while my (dead, dumbass) teammates are screaming about how it's too late to cap, yada yada yada. So, I go hit the cap in order to flush the last arty. He hits me, but that just lets me know what direction he's in, so I head off that way, find him, kill him with about 45 seconds left on the clock for my 7th kill.
I think the funniest thing about this is that one of my (dead, dumbass) teammates is going on & on about how he has 12k+ games & knows what he's talking about, but
A: he's dead, and
B: wtf is he doing sticking around to watch the end of a Tier V match?
Or something. Maybe I'm the (not dead) dumbass, that somehow lucked into a 7-kill Top Gun, Steel Wall, Reaper AND the match that gave me the Ace Tanker Badge for the KV-1. I dunno. Just had to vent a bit...
:ccr
Seems dumb to leave yourself with no time to cap. You could've snatched the draw from the jaws of victory if one of those arties went into hiding instead. I gotta side with your teammates.
Quote from: Malicious Intent on November 05, 2012, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: miozozny on November 05, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: DGuller on November 05, 2012, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 05, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
The main reason for keeping your elite tanks (at least those you enjoy playing): the XP you earn with them converts to Free XP.
Yes, but at a very high and impractical cost.
Only if you think playing a tank you enjoy playing is a high cost...
What DGuller meant is: You have to spend real money to convert XP stored on a elited vehicle into free XP. Otherwise the XP stays on the vehicle and is useless, since there is nothing left to research.
Example: You have elited your Leichttraktor, so there is no research left. Since you just love that tank so much, you continue to play. Next battle earns you 1000 XP that are bound to the Leichttraktor. You also get 50 Free XP (once again: You ALWAYS get 5% of earned XP as bonus free XP, regardless of elite status or not). To turn the 1000 XP into fee XP, you have to pay 1000/25=40 Gold.
This is simply not very economic, since 1000 free XP is pretty much nothing. To research the 12,8 cm on the Ferdinand costs 63000 xp. To get that much free XP just by conversion costs. 2520 Gold. For me that would be 10 Euro. For one single module on a tier 8 TD.
you can set the xp to help crewtraining
So, what does a Premium account get you? Other than extra credits/xp?
Quote from: Strix on November 09, 2012, 04:23:41 PM
So, what does a Premium account get you? Other than extra credits/xp?
That's what it gets you, and that's a lot if you want to move up from loltraktors in this lifetime.
Quote from: DGuller on November 09, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
Quote from: Strix on November 09, 2012, 04:23:41 PM
So, what does a Premium account get you? Other than extra credits/xp?
That's what it gets you, and that's a lot if you want to move up from loltraktors in this lifetime.
I resisted for a long time....and it took me MONTHS to get beyond tier VI. Once I broke down and got a premium account, it helped tremendously.
Quote from: DGuller on November 09, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
That's what it gets you, and that's a lot if you want to move up from loltraktors in this lifetime.
You can get to tier 5/6 fairly quickly. Tier 7 will take a while, tier 8 even longer, don't even think about tier 9 or 10 without premium. Even if you do get to them the cost to play will be prohibitive (probably 4-5 matches in tier 5-6 to pay for the costs of each tier 9 loss).
Is there any way to switch between the US and Euro server?
Quote from: Bluebook on November 11, 2012, 04:58:13 AM
Is there any way to switch between the US and Euro server?
Not that I know of.
Great game so far, at least until I reached the M3...WTF were they thinking when they designed that.
EDIT: M3 Lee
Tricks for play WoT non-premium:
Most of these can be applied to premium as well, it's just less critical.
1. If you buy a tank, play it until it is elite or at least all following tanks are researched. You don't want to sell and then rebuy a tank, or even worse spend precious, precious free XP.
2. Don't spend free XP to research a tank unless it needs less than 100. Only use free XP to research modules. You want to minimize the stock grind as best you can.
3. Work the daily doubles. Play each tank until it gets a win. Only go back to a tank that has won when you've finished your daily doubles and you still feel like playing.
4. Play with 50% crew until tier 5 or 6 (or tier 3 or 4 in Arty).
5. Research priority is generally gun/engine/turret/suspension/radio. Significant exceptions are when the gun requires a turret, module weight requires better suspension, the stock engine is horrible and the stock gun isn't so bad or you are a scout and a decent radio is more important than shooting things.
6. When short on cash check your depot for unsold components that you won't need.
7. Removable equipment is a good investment.
8. Don't bother with consumables until around tier 6 or 7, except for the Removed Speed Governor for the Soviet line.
9. When you find a tank you really like, keep it if you have the space.
Defeat
Battle: Fjords Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:18:14 PM
Vehicle: T34
Experience received: 1,285
Credits received: 109,783
Battle Achievements: Radley-Walters's medal, Top Gun
19 shots fired, 17 hits, 17 penetrations for 4,597 damage.
Killed 8 enemy vehicles.
I think if i kill eight of them, the other 14 members of my team really ought to be able to handle the other 7.
:yeah:
Victory!
Battle: Fjords Saturday, November 17, 2012 10:22:23 PM
Vehicle: SU-100
Experience received: 1,786
Credits received: 41,016
Battle Achievements: Radley-Walters's medal, Top Gun, Reaper, Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
This one was so nearly a loss as well. KV-1 and I Kolobanoved out of what looked like a total rout.
The credit grind finally broken me. I figured that I have more money than time, so I bought my first big premium tank in a while, and my choice was Jagdtiger 88.
I love this tank. It's very hard to have a bad battle in it. Even if you're not doing well, you are still likely to land a number of penetrating shots before dying, unless matchmaker really fucks you. It's certainly plugging a hole in my credit deficit rather nicely.
If I was to get a prem, that would be the prem I would get.
Nice thank that suits my style of play well.
Whew, just had an epic one.
Victory!
Battle: Steppes Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:28:41 PM
Vehicle: 8.8 cm PaK 43 Jagdtiger
Experience received: 1,924
Credits received: 107,814
Battle Achievements: Steel Wall, Top Gun, Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
In the end it was me, an AFK KV-1S, and four enemies. Ironically, that AFK KV-1S probably did more than he would've been able to do while connected, since he was the bait that lured three of the four enemies into the open, where I opened up on them. Fired 46 shots, hit 34 times, and penetrated 24 times for 3,771 in damage and 7 dead. :yeah:
Wow, post the replay!
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My previous attempt at credit farming was to bring back Panzer IV, helped by the promotion, and use that tier 5 medium magic to mint money. It did make money, but not fast enough for my liking. So now I converted it to a HEAT spammer, purely for the fun of killing.
The 105 gun with HEAT rounds is, in a word, overpowered. As you might expect, it's not really a highly profitable setup, but it still more than pays for itself, since the HEAT round will be almost guaranteed to do some serious damage when it connects. You may also be around to do more shooting that normal after you 2-shoot the KV-1 that you run into.
Not being sarcastic at all.
I actually went out and bought one after your post as well. It really is a sweet setup. That ROF is just...ridiculous.
I am not sure it is a better credit farmer than the T34, but it is certainly up there. Bouncing between the two of them is going to be a very nice way to crank out some credits.
Here it is: http://www46.zippyshare.com/v/42985220/file.html
Why you pretty much MUST have premium at the high end:
Just finished a battle in my E-50M, which is a Tier X medium.
We won. I fired 17 rounds, 16 hits, 11 penetrations for 3376 damage. Seven enemies damaged, 2 kills. By all measures, a very good result. I was destroyed late in the match.
Without premium:
Income: 43,624 credits
Repair vehicle: 25, 924
Resupply ammo: 20,400
Net: (2700) credits
So without premium, in a battle we won and I kicked ass in, I would have lost about 3000 credits.
With premium, the income is bumped by 50%, so that makes it 65,436 for a net income of 19,112 credts.
Still pretty paltry, but you can see how that 50% increase in credits makes a MUCH larger than 50% increase in net income.
I cannot imagine trying to play this game without premium. I know that people do, and even high tier people, but I don't know how.
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2012, 04:16:54 PM
Why you pretty much MUST have premium at the high end:
Just finished a battle in my E-50M, which is a Tier X medium.
We won. I fired 17 rounds, 16 hits, 11 penetrations for 3376 damage. Seven enemies damaged, 2 kills. By all measures, a very good result. I was destroyed late in the match.
Without premium:
Income: 43,624 credits
Repair vehicle: 25, 924
Resupply ammo: 20,400
Net: (2700) credits
So without premium, in a battle we won and I kicked ass in, I would have lost about 3000 credits.
With premium, the income is bumped by 50%, so that makes it 65,436 for a net income of 19,112 credts.
Still pretty paltry, but you can see how that 50% increase in credits makes a MUCH larger than 50% increase in net income.
I cannot imagine trying to play this game without premium. I know that people do, and even high tier people, but I don't know how.
Money isn't close to being a limiter on what tanks you can play until tier 7. Experience is usually the gate. You might not be able to kit out as well being non-premium, but you can play the game no problem.
...hence the statement that you must have premium at the high end.
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2012, 04:58:07 PM
...hence the statement that you must have premium at the high end.
I'm mostly commenting on you not being able to imagine playing the game without premium.
Using the Jagd 88 credits, I bought ARL V39. In my first three games with it, I got 4, 4, and 2 kills. I think I should quit while I'm ahead.
How do you call attention to a sector of the map? Or call for arty support?
My perfectest battle yet:
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:yeah:
Quote from: Bluebook on December 02, 2012, 07:25:07 AM
How do you call attention to a sector of the map? Or call for arty support?
Hold Ctrl and click on the minimap for drawing attention to a sector. For various commands, hold down Z and press the appropriate function key.
Mines map, I'm in T-44. My initial run for the hill is stopped dead in its tracks by a rock I went full bore into. :hmm: I thought to myself, wouldn't it be funny if this turned out to be an epic battle, and the replay would start so glamorously like that? Well, whadda you know.
Victory!
Battle: Mines Sunday, December 02, 2012 10:07:07 PM
Vehicle: T-44
Experience received: 4,130 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 76,050
Battle Achievements: Top Gun, Sniper, Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
Quote from: DGuller on December 02, 2012, 04:04:22 PM
My perfectest battle yet:
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:yeah:
:thumbsup:
And that was in T28, believe it or not.
I got my Panther today, after a long long dreadful grind. Now Im going to start keeping score. It feels like such a waste when you drive the smaller tanks, you are always outgunned or underarmored compared to everyone else.
Right now I have two vehicles I drive. An elite MarderII to gather exp and credits, and one Panther. I was working my way towards a T-34, but got bored with the A-20 so I dropped the soviet tree.
Now that you got the stock Panther, you made it. From now on you will have a tank that's perfectly adequate to take on all its enemies.
Quote from: DGuller on December 04, 2012, 03:42:24 PM
Now that you got the stock Panther, you made it. From now on you will have a tank that's perfectly adequate to take on all its enemies.
:lol:
Quote from: DGuller on December 04, 2012, 03:42:24 PM
Now that you got the stock Panther, you made it. From now on you will have a tank that's perfectly adequate to take on all its enemies.
:P
Hated the Panther. Once I had it I ground it out to research the Panther II just in case I ever win the lottery & have all sorts of time & money to go back, but after a brief stint in a Ferd that crew is currently driving a VK3001P. Fuck it. Might as well go back & do the Porsche line, since all I'll have to research now through Tier VIII is suspensions, turrets & the next rig. Or something...
:ccr
Meh. I also made the mistake of doing German stuff.
The sooner you realize that this is a game about Russian tanks pwning everybody else, the happier you will be.
Quote from: Tamas on December 07, 2012, 03:49:29 AM
Meh. I also made the mistake of doing German stuff.
The sooner you realize that this is a game about Russian tanks pwning everybody else, the happier you will be.
Pretty much, yeah. The American stuff isn't horrible, either...
Im joining a clan now. Moving up in this world...
KV-1S seems like it's going to be a fun ride once I get a decent gun on it... :)
I left my CW clan since they kind of fell apart, and joined Arvs clan. 3ACR is very casual, and pretty damn fun.
Berkut, forgot to tell you that you killed me a couple of weeks ago. You were in your T95 on Malinovka & jacked out a dumbass Jagdpanther II that got caught out of position... :P
That December gift shop special is tempting. $54 for 5 million credits and 5000 gold...
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2012, 08:10:55 PM
That December gift shop special is tempting. $54 for 5 million credits and 5000 gold...
That's like $70 worth of stuff for $54. Not that tempting to me, especially considering that silver for gold conversion is widely considered to be a poor value.
Silver for gold?
This isn't silver for gold - it is silver for cash.
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2012, 11:50:10 PM
Silver for gold?
This isn't silver for gold - it is silver for cash.
Yeah, but isn't cash just gold, ultimately? You're in effect buying 17,500 in gold, and are forced to convert 12,500 of it into silver, something which is considered to be a poor use of gold. That amount of gold is worth about $70, before you subtract for the lack of option on what to do with 12,500 of gold.
It is considered a poor use because the default exchange rate is generally quite bad. This is quite a bit better. At least....I think it is.
Let's see.
1G = 400C
Assuming you buy gold at the default cost of $30/6500, you get about 217G per dollar.
So that means buying gold and converting it run about 87,000C/$1.
Here we are getting 5000G, so that is worth ~$23 alone. So take that out, and we are looking at 5MC for $30, which is about 167,000/$. That is about twice the value, if I am doing the math right.
Wow, that Churchill I can really take a hit. If you're lucky, even two hits. Unfortunately, it can't do much of anything else.
So I decided to take my tanks for a ride, first time since 7.2 except a couple games when 7.3 came out.
First thing I notice is I can't hit shit with my Russian 122mm cannons anymore. I'm missing pretty much every mid-range shot, even in perfect aiming conditions. It's ridiculously frustrating.
Quote from: Iormlund on December 25, 2012, 02:34:09 PM
So I decided to take my tanks for a ride, first time since 7.2 except a couple games when 7.3 came out.
First thing I notice is I can't hit shit with my Russian 122mm cannons anymore. I'm missing pretty much every mid-range shot, even in perfect aiming conditions. It's ridiculously frustrating.
I don't think there were any changes in that department. You're probably out of practice, since it takes a lot of knack to hit even the broad side of the barn with those things.
Well there's not much more I can do when I'm already stopped with the smallest possible circle. I do hit pretty much always with short 88 and KV-13's 85mm (problem there is ofc lack of penetration).
Maybe it's the server-side aiming. I've assumed it's now built into the normal crosshairs (since UPCASE + 0 does nothing). Am I wrong?
When you fire with inaccurate gun, the trick is to fire at a spot that gives you the least area for a miss, unless you're firing at a high tier where you really have to hit the weakspot.
I dunno, I think the difference between an "inaccurate" gun (say the Soviet 122mm gun swith ~.41-.43 accuracy) and the "accurate" guns (like the German long 88 or 128s with their ~.34 or so accuracy guns is not really that great. In both cases, skill matters more than the gun accuracy, and I typically miss when I am taking shots that don't have a great chance of hitting (mostly obscured target, firing on the move, firing at a moving target) and mostly hit otherwise.
Comparing my overall hit rate for the JagdPanther for example (which has .34 or .35 guns) and the SU-152 (which has .43 and .41 guns), my SU-152 had an overall hit rate of 69% and the JagdPanther had 74%. A decent difference, but hardly that big of a deal.
Quote from: Berkut on December 25, 2012, 08:11:50 PM
I dunno, I think the difference between an "inaccurate" gun (say the Soviet 122mm gun swith ~.41-.43 accuracy) and the "accurate" guns (like the German long 88 or 128s with their ~.34 or so accuracy guns is not really that great. In both cases, skill matters more than the gun accuracy, and I typically miss when I am taking shots that don't have a great chance of hitting (mostly obscured target, firing on the move, firing at a moving target) and mostly hit otherwise.
Comparing my overall hit rate for the JagdPanther for example (which has .34 or .35 guns) and the SU-152 (which has .43 and .41 guns), my SU-152 had an overall hit rate of 69% and the JagdPanther had 74%. A decent difference, but hardly that big of a deal.
Mathematically speaking, it's not linear. An extra point of accuracy (or rather inaccuracy) increases the area of the circle where your shots are likely to land, so the relationship between probability of an intended hit and accuracy stat is squared. I suspect that the reason the hit stats with two different guns may not look radically different is that you're more likely to take those wild "try to hit the cupola sticking out from behind the hill" shots with an accurate gun, or just fire before the circle is fully contracted to avoid getting hit first.
This has to be a record: my S-51 delivered a shot to E-75, which gave 1214 points of damage and 5 (!) critical hits. :blink: That 203 mm shell must've fallen straight down the open hatch.
Quote from: DGuller on December 25, 2012, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 25, 2012, 08:11:50 PM
I dunno, I think the difference between an "inaccurate" gun (say the Soviet 122mm gun swith ~.41-.43 accuracy) and the "accurate" guns (like the German long 88 or 128s with their ~.34 or so accuracy guns is not really that great. In both cases, skill matters more than the gun accuracy, and I typically miss when I am taking shots that don't have a great chance of hitting (mostly obscured target, firing on the move, firing at a moving target) and mostly hit otherwise.
Comparing my overall hit rate for the JagdPanther for example (which has .34 or .35 guns) and the SU-152 (which has .43 and .41 guns), my SU-152 had an overall hit rate of 69% and the JagdPanther had 74%. A decent difference, but hardly that big of a deal.
Mathematically speaking, it's not linear. An extra point of accuracy (or rather inaccuracy) increases the area of the circle where your shots are likely to land, so the relationship between probability of an intended hit and accuracy stat is squared. I suspect that the reason the hit stats with two different guns may not look radically different is that you're more likely to take those wild "try to hit the cupola sticking out from behind the hill" shots with an accurate gun, or just fire before the circle is fully contracted to avoid getting hit first.
Of course it isn't linear - that is not my point.
My point is that gun accuracy is not THAT large a factor in the rate that you get hits or not - in other words, comments like "It is so much harder to hit with the Russian guns!" are not really accurate. It isn't much harder to hit with them at all, and in fact I hit with them at a rate on slightly less than I hit with more accurate guns. Because the guns accuracy is a relatively minor variable in the factors that go into whether a given shot hits or not. It is dominated by other variables (like whether or not you or that target are moving, as an example).
This is one way I contend that there is a subtle (or maybe not so subtle) bias in the game towards the Soviet vehicles. Their "inaccuracy" isn't that important if you know how to shoot, in most cases.
Well, my main point was that accuracy doesn't have to manifest itself just in the hit rate. Like with many things, an advantage in one area may be used to shore up disadvantages in other areas, or at least give you more options.
If I have an accurate gun, I'm more likely to snipe. That won't necessarily help my hit rate over the inaccurate gun, it may even hurt it, but the advantage of gun accuracy would result in a less tangible benefit of staying alive for longer to take more shots. I hit with my HEAT derp PzIV probably just as often as I hit with other tanks. However, my HEAT derp has to always get close to the action, because trying to snipe with it is just a waste of very expensive ammo. I'd rather stand back and snipe, but I don't have that option, and therefore I often get killed if I don't kill the enemy with my first shot.
Yeah, that is certainly true - I am much more willing to take "marginal" shots with a highly accruate gun (especially since they tend to fire faster as well, hence "wasting" a shot isn't nearly as bad an idea), which will lower my hit rate.
And conversely, with my big ass Soviet guns, I am going to be a lot more careful to make sure I maximize my hit chance, since I know it will be 10 more seconds before I get to shoot again.
But still, after 10,000 matches, I think I can say with some degree of authority that the difference really isn't that great, and overall I hit much more often than I miss, even with "inaccurate" guns. It isn't trivial by any means, and in fact I think the game does a good job of striking the right balance between accuracy and hitting power, for the most part.
But again, my point is simply that if you find yourself missing a lot more with Soviet guns than Germans, it likely means you are doing something wrong.
Agreed. At the very least, you're not optimizing the use of the equipment you have.
It's funny how the biggest mistake can lead to a major victory!
So, I am tooling along in my Leopard waiting for the inevitable BOOM when I look away from the screen for a moment and WHAM! I found out that tank traps actually work and managed to land in the middle of them. My tank has full health but I cannot remove myself from the situation. I am sitting thinking what a dumb move I just made. Getting bored, I start to shoot my nerf gun at the various Tier 8 and 9 tanks I can see. This is where it gets funny as hell...three tanks from the opposing team each come to destroy me, and each idiot tries to ram me. So, here I am, laughing my ass off as three Tier 6-8 tanks are stuck on the tank traps with me.
Apparently tankers are drawn to these things like moths to a flame.
Question, if anybody knows or cares:
I'm pretty well entrenched in German SPGs right now, am driving an elited Hummel, which I fucking HATE. I loved the Grille & Wespe, but for some reason I just can't get in the swing of the Hummel. Does anybody know offhand if the GWPanther is significantly better (handles better, aims better, ANYTHING) other than just being another tier up, or would I just be better off shitcanning the whole German arty line & using the slot for something else? My only real hesitation is that I don't want to kiss off a decent German arty crew, but if the GW Panther is just more Same-Same of the the Hummel then I might as well, because I'm not having ANY fun with the Hummel right now...
For what its worth, the guys in my clan is singing its praises, and it is the priority arty in its class.
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 02, 2013, 12:17:16 PM
Question, if anybody knows or cares:
I'm pretty well entrenched in German SPGs right now, am driving an elited Hummel, which I fucking HATE. I loved the Grille & Wespe, but for some reason I just can't get in the swing of the Hummel. Does anybody know offhand if the GWPanther is significantly better (handles better, aims better, ANYTHING) other than just being another tier up, or would I just be better off shitcanning the whole German arty line & using the slot for something else? My only real hesitation is that I don't want to kiss off a decent German arty crew, but if the GW Panther is just more Same-Same of the the Hummel then I might as well, because I'm not having ANY fun with the Hummel right now...
What exactly do you dislike about the Hummel? :huh: It is probably the best tier 5 arty. Great agility and acceleration, very accurate, good punch, arc of gun traverse is not too bad either...
The GW Panther is pretty much an improved Hummel. It features a very wide arc of fire that allows you to reliably hit moving targets. The gun is very accurate and aims fast (for a tier 6 arty), the shells travel quickly, thanks to a low fireing arc. Damge is pretty much standard, but splash radius is lacking. The vehicle itself ratains good mobility.
I had great fun in the GW Panther and am soreley missing it right niow, as the GW Tiger is a big letdown in comparison (bigger that a house and just as mobile, extremely narrow gun traverse). Maybe it gets better with the upgraded gun.
So, being too lazy to cycle back through 148 pages...
What is everyone's game name? Just thought we might compile a list so we can know if we are on the same team or on the opposing force.
I am BenSam
Quote from: Malicious Intent on January 02, 2013, 12:32:58 PM
What exactly do you dislike about the Hummel? :huh: It is probably the best tier 5 arty. Great agility and acceleration, very accurate, good punch, arc of gun traverse is not too bad either...
The GW Panther is pretty much an improved Hummel. It features a very wide arc of fire that allows you to reliably hit moving targets. The gun is very accurate and aims fast (for a tier 6 arty), the shells travel quickly, thanks to a low fireing arc. Damge is pretty much standard, but splash radius is lacking. The vehicle itself ratains good mobility.
I had great fun in the GW Panther and am soreley missing it right niow, as the GW Tiger is a big letdown in comparison (bigger that a house and just as mobile, extremely narrow gun traverse). Maybe it gets better with the upgraded gun.
I loved my Hummel and my GW Panther, although I prefer the Panther. It isn't quite as fast or maneuverable, but the gun is much better and the traverse is nice and wide.
I sold back my GW Tiger before getting to the upgraded gun. Tier 7 and 8 arty, quite apart from other balance issues, is rather dull to play. Slow moving, slowwww firing, vulnerable, big damage/AOE weapons aren't that fun.
Quote from: Malicious Intent on January 02, 2013, 12:32:58 PM
What exactly do you dislike about the Hummel? :huh:
Totally fair question, the problem is that I can't really put my finger on what bugs me so much about it. And stopping to look at my stats for it right now for the 1st time, I see that I have an Ace Tanker Badge for it (which I didn't even realize I had), so apparently I'm driving the thing at least semi-correctly. I know that one thing that really bugs me with the Hummel vs. the Grille is that the Hummel's gun won't lower down to level, making it a royal pain in the ass to use for direct-fire (I literally set up shop in places where I can back up a hill if I have to in order to bring my gun down low enough to try to direct-fire close targets). I won't try to guess a number, but I know that an insane number of my Grille kills were direct-fire, and any time I'm in a rig where I don't feel like I can defend myself against some zippy little fucker in close I don't feel right with the rig (part of the reason why I *HATED* the Ferd).
Maybe part of it is that the HP damage per hit, while obviously higher than lower-tiered guns, is actually a smaller percentage of the total HP that a typical enemy will have, making hits seem less satisfying. I'm having to hit a Tier VIII heavy four or five times to kill it, whereas my Tiger II will kill it in three or four & my Jagdpanther II will kill it in three, all without worrying about the randomness of shooting at shit from a map away ("Ooooh! A gust of wind!" when I'm totally zoomed on a tracked target & it doesn't move. Fuck you...). And sure, bringing your arty up closer to the targets makes it more likely that you'll hit them, but that brings me back to the whole Not Being Able To Defend Myself thing.
Or something. It's totally a case of The Little Things about the rig not really meshing with my style of play. I can & do make it work, but I'm frustrated that I'm not good enough with the thing to really feel like I Make A Difference in the vast majority of the games that I play in it...
Quote from: frunk on January 02, 2013, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Malicious Intent on January 02, 2013, 12:32:58 PM
What exactly do you dislike about the Hummel? :huh: It is probably the best tier 5 arty. Great agility and acceleration, very accurate, good punch, arc of gun traverse is not too bad either...
The GW Panther is pretty much an improved Hummel. It features a very wide arc of fire that allows you to reliably hit moving targets. The gun is very accurate and aims fast (for a tier 6 arty), the shells travel quickly, thanks to a low fireing arc. Damge is pretty much standard, but splash radius is lacking. The vehicle itself ratains good mobility.
I had great fun in the GW Panther and am soreley missing it right niow, as the GW Tiger is a big letdown in comparison (bigger that a house and just as mobile, extremely narrow gun traverse). Maybe it gets better with the upgraded gun.
I loved my Hummel and my GW Panther, although I prefer the Panther. It isn't quite as fast or maneuverable, but the gun is much better and the traverse is nice and wide.
I sold back my GW Tiger before getting to the upgraded gun. Tier 7 and 8 arty, quite apart from other balance issues, is rather dull to play. Slow moving, slowwww firing, vulnerable, big damage/AOE weapons aren't that fun.
I will suffer a bit more in the GW Tiger, see how much the gun changes the experience.
Thanks to the soviet line of SPGs, I am already used to slow firing hard hitters. The S-51 had insane damage on tier 6 and a big splash radius to boot. I would regularly oneshot tier 8 or even tier 9 opponents. In certain choke points, even double kills were possible. The Object 212 has the same gun, but with better accuracy, aim time and rate of fire, so the jump from tier 6 to 7 was simply a general upgrade in that regard. The german line is very different, as it offers a complete change in playstyle one has to get used to.
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 02, 2013, 12:58:18 PM
Quote from: Malicious Intent on January 02, 2013, 12:32:58 PM
What exactly do you dislike about the Hummel? :huh:
Totally fair question, the problem is that I can't really put my finger on what bugs me so much about it. And stopping to look at my stats for it right now for the 1st time, I see that I have an Ace Tanker Badge for it (which I didn't even realize I had), so apparently I'm driving the thing at least semi-correctly. I know that one thing that really bugs me with the Hummel vs. the Grille is that the Hummel's gun won't lower down to level, making it a royal pain in the ass to use for direct-fire (I literally set up shop in places where I can back up a hill if I have to in order to bring my gun down low enough to try to direct-fire close targets). I won't try to guess a number, but I know that an insane number of my Grille kills were direct-fire, and any time I'm in a rig where I don't feel like I can defend myself against some zippy little fucker in close I don't feel right with the rig (part of the reason why I *HATED* the Ferd).
Maybe part of it is that the HP damage per hit, while obviously higher than lower-tiered guns, is actually a smaller percentage of the total HP that a typical enemy will have, making hits seem less satisfying. I'm having to hit a Tier VIII heavy four or five times to kill it, whereas my Tiger II will kill it in three or four & my Jagdpanther II will kill it in three, all without worrying about the randomness of shooting at shit from a map away ("Ooooh! A gust of wind!" when I'm totally zoomed on a tracked target & it doesn't move. Fuck you...). And sure, bringing your arty up closer to the targets makes it more likely that you'll hit them, but that brings me back to the whole Not Being Able To Defend Myself thing.
Or something. It's totally a case of The Little Things about the rig not really meshing with my style of play. I can & do make it work, but I'm frustrated that I'm not good enough with the thing to really feel like I Make A Difference in the vast majority of the games that I play in it...
Badges have little meaning. You just need one very good game to get ace tanker, even if you completely suck in every other game. Efficiency rating is generally more interesting (measuring win rating, damage dealt and so on), but also still flawed, since it does not consider factors that cannot be expressed in sheer numbers. A lone tank that holds a flank by scaring three others with it's gun without even firing a shot is a huge asset in a game, but he would get a miserable efficiency rating for the match. ER is still decent to get a general picture of your skills though.
Regarding the Hummel's gun: That does not really mirror my own experience. I would often go into TD mode in city maps or actively battle scouts in my Hummel. Checking the WoT wiki, gun depression is actually -4 degrees, but I know, that it can be a little difficult to keep your gun leveled in TD mode. Try bringing down the barrel by aiming low, then fixing it by holding the right mouse button.
As to the damage: Yeah, heavily armoured heavies are a bit difficult to take down, unless you hit their flanks, rear, or on top of the engine department. But since you hit with HE shells, you will often deal critical damage on the tank, criplling it by killing crew members and destroying modules.
TDs and sniping mediums are very squishy though. Your penetration will often be enough to defeat their armour and deals full damage. I would generalle see TDs as priority targets (unless arty is spotted), as you can remove a lot of firepower with 1-2 shells.
Finally the inaccuracy of arty fire: I fully agree it is frustrating, though it is also necessary in my oppinion to balance the insane range and comparably high damage potential of SPGs. At least you have comparatively very accurate SPGs in the german line.
Cool. Thank you for your thought out reply. Think I'm going to shitcan it, because it still isn't very fun...
I think the GWPanther is one of the very top SPGs in the game, in that it is very effective in its tier (arguably TOO effective) while not having an insanely long reload time and being very mobile, both elements that make it actually fun to play.
Plus you can direct fire with it better than probably any other SPG in the game.
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 02, 2013, 03:23:24 PM
Cool. Thank you for your thought out reply. Think I'm going to shitcan it, because it still isn't very fun...
You need a lot of XP to get through the Hummel, so grinding it while disliking it would probably be hell. And since there is a substantial nerf for all SPGs incoming in the next patch, now is probably the best time to switch to other branches.
Quote from: Berkut on January 02, 2013, 04:43:30 PM
I think the GWPanther is one of the very top SPGs in the game, in that it is very effective in its tier (arguably TOO effective) while not having an insanely long reload time and being very mobile, both elements that make it actually fun to play.
Plus you can direct fire with it better than probably any other SPG in the game.
There surely is a reason why it seems to be by far the most played tier 6 arty in the game, especially in arty platoons.
Say, do you have experience with the american SPGs tier 6 and higher? How is the M12 compared to it's tier 6 competition?
Quote from: Malicious Intent on January 02, 2013, 06:09:54 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 02, 2013, 03:23:24 PM
Cool. Thank you for your thought out reply. Think I'm going to shitcan it, because it still isn't very fun...
You need a lot of XP to get through the Hummel, so grinding it while disliking it would probably be hell. And since there is a substantial nerf for all SPGs incoming in the next patch, now is probably the best time to switch to other branches.
Already ground through my Hummel (it's elited) -- which is why I'm asking if the GW Panther is just more Same-Same or if there is some sort of wonderful, magical thing about it that makes it any more fun to play than the Hummel.
I'm on the cusp of eliting out both my M6 & my VK3001P (need app. 20k xp for each), so will likely just sell the Hummel if I need creds for either the T29 and/or Tiger (P) & use the slot for whatever looks Shiney at the time...
:ccr
Well, I would say that if you like arty play in general, the GWP is probably one of the most fun arties in the game.
If you don't like arty play, then you won't like any of them.
Am I the only one here who buys camouflage for the exterior of my favourite tanks?
@ Berkut: that honestly answers my question better than anything else. Looking at the potential damage dished out by the GWP shells, it does look like a significant step up. I guess at this point it comes down to creds & priorities...
@ Bluebook: speaking for myself, I think that the camo looks cool, but I can generally find better stuff to do with creds & haven't personally been into the game enough to invest real money for Gold into it, so no camo for me any time soon...
I know that this is Captain Obvious territory, but it just amazes me how awesome, pound for pound, that the KV-1 is. I elited mine, sent the crew on to the KV-1S & put a scrub crew in the KV-1 and the thing still just keeps putting creds in the bank for me. It's to the point where I might build this crew up, buy a T-150 that I don't even really want to put them in & put ANOTHER scrub crew in the KV-1 just to be a douchebag. But probably not the KV-2, though. Probably. Or something...
:ccr
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 03, 2013, 04:45:17 PM
I know that this is Captain Obvious territory, but it just amazes me how awesome, pound for pound, that the KV-1 is. I elited mine, sent the crew on to the KV-1S & put a scrub crew in the KV-1 and the thing still just keeps putting creds in the bank for me. It's to the point where I might build this crew up, buy a T-150 that I don't even really want to put them in & put ANOTHER scrub crew in the KV-1 just to be a douchebag. But probably not the KV-2, though. Probably. Or something...
:ccr
I had just as much fun in the T-150 as the KV-1. Though, my record for Wall of Steel in the KV-1 is 89 hits.
Quote from: DGuller on December 25, 2012, 11:40:57 PM
This has to be a record: my S-51 delivered a shot to E-75, which gave 1214 points of damage and 5 (!) critical hits. :blink: That 203 mm shell must've fallen straight down the open hatch.
Once a full health Type 59 caught my Trollcannon KV in the open. I was quite far, on the move and his front was facing me as well. Still, I took a reflex shot and he blew up. I would've loved to see his reaction. :lol:
Decisions, decisions...
I'm closing in pretty quickly on eliting out both my M6 & my VK3001P, but I've only got the creds sitting around right now for either the T29 or the Tiger (P). In terms of End Game I'm really trying to catch up on my US & Sov heavies because, ultimately, they're where the Fun is at in the higher tiers. However, I'm really, really not looking forward to the short- to mid-term grind on the T29, whereas one of the few benefits of going all "LOLFeldgrauTard" early on is that all I'll have to research on the Tiger (P) is the suspension and turret, and I'll have enough free xp to get the suspension right away and put the top engine & long 88 on the Tiger (P) "out-of-the-box," making it immediately competitive.
Thinking it through (which is why I'm even typing this, because it helps), I guess I'll probably go with the Tiger (P) first, if only because it'll put me in a better position to buy the T29 more quickly second then vice-versa. My only hesitation is that I really, really don't like the M6, and I don't like having to choose between continuing to grind it for Shits & Giggles or benching the crew until I get the T29 & just using the slot for something else for awhile. I get all stupidly sentimental about developing my crews (one of the little details about the game that I rather enjoy), and probably put too much emphasis on that aspect of the game when deciding when to switch rigs. I suppose I could just keep putting up with the M6 until the crew's current perk is at 100%, but then it irks me that I'm losing the extra gunner & will be starting fresh with a new second loader -- it's all Asymmetrical & shit, which seems to offend the right side of my brain or something. I dunno. Probably best to just keep grinding them both & worry about it when the time comes & I have a head full of beer & shit...
:ccr
In the for whatever it is worth category, the T-29 is an amazing tank. The 105 terrorizes lower tiers and can keep you in the fight against tier 8s. I have the Tiger fully decked out (not the P) and I would never trade the T-29 for the Tiger. I have enough free exps to hit either the Tiger II or the T-32. I am having a tough choice because it looks like the Tiger II and the E-75 are both nasty but I am really wanting the American tier 10 heavy. Hmmmmmm.
Quote from: Strix on January 02, 2013, 12:44:49 PM
So, being too lazy to cycle back through 148 pages...
What is everyone's game name? Just thought we might compile a list so we can know if we are on the same team or on the opposing force.
I am BenSam
Ltsmoothbore
Quote from: Lndhand on January 07, 2013, 01:36:53 PM
In the for whatever it is worth category, the T-29 is an amazing tank. The 105 terrorizes lower tiers and can keep you in the fight against tier 8s. I have the Tiger fully decked out (not the P) and I would never trade the T-29 for the Tiger. I have enough free exps to hit either the Tiger II or the T-32. I am having a tough choice because it looks like the Tiger II and the E-75 are both nasty but I am really wanting the American tier 10 heavy. Hmmmmmm.
I know that I fucking HATE going up against T-29's in everything but my Jagdpanther II & my Tiger II and I really respect it, meaning that I really want it & am busting my ass to get it. But like I said earlier, though, I guess that my dilemma here is a choice between starting a Bitch Of A Grind now & putting off the "Gimme," or getting the "Gimme" first & waiting a LOT less time (in terms of cred production) to then get the Bitch Of A Grind. The dollars & cents part of my brain is screaming at me to get the Tiger (P) first because of that, but in terms of End Game I don't have any particular aspirations towards the Maus, but a T110E5 looks pretty sweet. I just want the Tiger (P) because (according to personal observation & Word Around The Campfire) it's better than the Tiger (which I had a lot of fun with) & I'm not going to have to work too hard to pimp it out...
A personal observation on the Tiger II, though: it's ok, but nowhere near being The End All, Be All of the World of Tanks Experience. Mine is fully upgraded & about halfway through to being elited, and it's one of the last Go To tanks I choose when just playing for fun after my Daily Doubles are all done. For better or worse, all three of the Tier VIII's I've had have been German, so I don't have any kind of Frame of Reference to say if it's better, worse or the same as the T32 (let alone the IS-3 or KV-4), but I'd much rather play my Jagdpanther II than my Tiger II.
And to also answer Strix: I'm
Doghouse_Riley on WoT...
:ccr
IS-3>T32>Tiger 2
However, E-75 > M103 > IS-8.
The E-75 with the T10 gun is just freaking awesome. A great combo.
Quote from: Berkut on January 07, 2013, 04:28:16 PM
IS-3>T32>Tiger 2
However, E-75 > M103 > IS-8.
The E-75 with the T10 gun is just freaking awesome. A great combo.
Interesting...
:ccr
im playing as otillc
So coming back to this without a gold account the amount of credits made per battle seems to be slim to none :lol:
Quote from: katmai on January 09, 2013, 06:34:23 PM
So coming back to this without a gold account the amount of credits made per battle seems to be slim to none :lol:
Yeah, pretty much... :)
Ha, my team actually beat Stonewall's FORGE crew. I even managed to kill one of his platoon mates. :showoff:
LOL, looks like I pulled the trigger too early on my Tiger (P). If I had just waited a few days I could have had that *AND* my T29 at the same time:
http://worldoftanks.com/news/1924-heavy-destruction-weekend/
It's alright. I'm off today & tomorrow, and by the time I get my Daily Doubles knocked out this morning I should have the creds for my T29 & be grinding it in time for Lunch Beers...
:ccr
And wow, I screwed the pooch getting the Tiger (P) the other day over the T29. Two games into the T29, completely un-upgraded other than the 90mm off of the M6 & the thing just feels, well, relevant in whatever situation it's put it in. Looking forward to playing this one. Now I just need to scrape together some creds for a rammer...
:ccr
So you are saying the T29 is worth it? :P
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2013, 09:57:31 PM
So you are saying the T29 is worth it? :P
Yes...
:ccr
Chinese tech tree coming today. Chinese tanks... what a waste. Why did they not put in the Italians or Japanese instead?
Think I'm going to pick up a T-150 this weekend -- unless equipment is Half Off, in which case I'll put a rammer & a gun laying drive on my KV-1S. Long 122 puts big holes in shit, but the slow ROF and, even worse, slow aim time is slowing me down...
:ccr
Quote from: Bluebook on January 16, 2013, 04:48:39 AM
Chinese tech tree coming today. Chinese tanks... what a waste. Why did they not put in the Italians or Japanese instead?
Apparently because they want the Chinese market.
IS or Tiger II for my next purchase?
Of course you would say that :rolleyes:
IS is better than the T2, IMO.
The first time I get tracked by a Chinese tank I'm going to go on & on about how a chinaman took my legs...
LOL, almost just had a Top Gun in a Tier II rice burner. I only missed Kill #6 because I was having trouble seeing through the slanted viewports...
:ccr
My last 4 games with PzIV derp HEAT: 4, 5, 4, and 3 kills, including a number of tier 7 tanks. I'll keep milking it while I can, but clearly this is ridiculously unbalanced. I wish they just removed premium ammo altogether, I doubt that anyone had effective HEAT ammo in WWII outside of Panzerfausts and the like.
Okay so KV-4 or Tiger II for next tank :P
Quote from: DGuller on January 17, 2013, 01:23:35 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2013, 01:12:33 AM
IS or Tiger II for my next purchase?
Definitely IS.
Isnt the IS a tier VII, while the Tiger II is tier VIII
Tiger II
I'm bored, but not bored enough to read all 151 thread pages. Is this worth downloading? Or is everybody running around in King Tigers?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 19, 2013, 11:26:34 AM
I'm bored, but not bored enough to read all 151 thread pages. Is this worth downloading? Or is everybody running around in King Tigers?
Given that this thread has gotten to 151 pages, that should give you the answer. Of course you should change your posts/page setting in your profile. And download WoT, of course.
The game has a matchmaker, so you won't be too severely outmatched in any battle. And King Tigers kind of suck anyway.
Quote from: DGuller on January 19, 2013, 12:48:15 PM
Given that this thread has gotten to 151 pages, that should give you the answer.
Not really. Could just be 151 pages of Berkut arguing with somebody.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 19, 2013, 02:41:52 PM
Quote from: DGuller on January 19, 2013, 12:48:15 PM
Given that this thread has gotten to 151 pages, that should give you the answer.
Not really. Could just be 151 pages of Berkut arguing with somebody.
:XD: Some of the pages in the middle are just that. But, hey, the download is free. You can even play the game for free, although if you really get into it, it's going to cost you.
It is a fun diversion. Some of the mechanics can be a little frustrating at first, and you definitely have to find your style of play. I enjoyed artillery the most. Hmm, maybe I should redownload and hang out with katmai. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 19, 2013, 11:26:34 AM
I'm bored, but not bored enough to read all 151 thread pages. Is this worth downloading? Or is everybody running around in King Tigers?
Since the game is free to dl'd and try out, sure give it a go.
The tanks fall into 5 Categories (Tank Destroyers, SPG, Light, Medium, Heavy tanks).
there are also 10 tiers of tanks so neigh impossible for Tiers 1-3 to be facing Tier 7-10 (that can happen if you platoon with a friend who is higher lvl in which case you will die quickly)
Light Tanks only go up to tier 8 iirc, they have been adding higher lvl ones in patches
The tanks also span from pre WWII at tier I all the way to Early 60's at Tier X.
You can choose to research tanks from USSR, Germany, USA, UK, France and just this week they introduced a Chinese tech tree.
French tanks suck. I hate them.
Quote from: Jaron on January 19, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
French tanks suck. I hate them.
Since i came back i was questioning why i was playing my tier VII AMX 13 75, as was just getting unlucky with MM and getting my ass handed to me.
Till my last game where still against Tier IX's, but played a light to perfection, killed OF scout, and two of the three enemy Arty.
If you are hoping for realism as far as the tanks in play forget about it. Most of the people will be running around in tanks that didn't even have a prototype made. As far as the physics it's pretty good, although any hitpoint model for damage isn't going to be that realistic. Still, the actual penetration/location of hits is modeled well. The other major elements of wonkiness are in the spotting system and the range of engagements (extremely close by actual tank combat expectations), but it works.
The tiering system makes sure you will face opponents that you could at least theoretically defeat (or annoy if you are a light). There's also plenty of variety in types of tanks you can play, although for most types there's a single best/obvious setup once you research all the modules.
I'm liking the Matilda.
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Quote from: katmai on January 19, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
I'm liking the Matilda.
Hated the Matilda for the first 75% of the games I played in it, but once I "got it" it was kind of fun.
The Churchill I, on the other hand, licks hairy sack. To the point that I don't even have it in me to get a Churchill VII. That crew just sits around my barracks having tea & scones & shit...
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 19, 2013, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 19, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
I'm liking the Matilda.
Hated the Matilda for the first 75% of the games I played in it, but once I "got it" it was kind of fun.
The Churchill I, on the other hand, licks hairy sack. To the point that I don't even have it in me to get a Churchill VII. That crew just sits around my barracks having tea & scones & shit...
Church isn't so bad after you get the top gun.
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 19, 2013, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 19, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
I'm liking the Matilda.
Hated the Matilda for the first 75% of the games I played in it, but once I "got it" it was kind of fun.
The Churchill I, on the other hand, licks hairy sack. To the point that I don't even have it in me to get a Churchill VII. That crew just sits around my barracks having tea & scones & shit...
I was laughing at the 30 shots I took, survived the first 29 :P
Damn it, killed 5 enemies in AMX 13-90, including E-100, got 1200 XP, and the battle was still lost. It was down to one arty vs. one arty, and our idiot decided to shoot second. Unfortunately, the guy who shot first didn't miss. Could've made quite a fortune with 3X promotion, and gotten an Ace Tanker, if that arty was a little more clever. :mad:
Was Jaron the arty?
:P
Nah he's actually good in SPG
Tiger II or KV-4?
:lol:
Okay, i just researched the II though, don't have enough credits to buy it anyways :P
Ooooh, some Brit tanks are 1/2 off the next couple of days: http://worldoftanks.com/news/1954-tech-tree-focus-uk-jan-21-25/
Do I channel my Inner Chick & by a Churchill VII that I neither want nor need, just because it's 1/2 off? :P
I suck at this game lol
Quote from: HVC on January 21, 2013, 10:24:42 PM
I suck at this game lol
what is your name
Jaron sucks at tank, but put him in artillery and he is pretty good
Bite me, bitch. :P
It was a compliment!
Oooh, they've got the PzKpfw IV with the long barrel. :shifty:
Quote from: katmai on January 21, 2013, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 21, 2013, 10:24:42 PM
I suck at this game lol
what is your name
Jaron sucks at tank, but put him in artillery and he is pretty good
I'm hit or miss on arty. . i'm a 3 tier against 6 tiers. i have to hit them like 3 god damn times.
edit* Kat already found me, but i'm HVC.
LOL, the M3 Lee.
"Get to the back of the tank!"
I'm so in. Downloading tonight.
OK, who's the little shit that already registered "CountDeMoney"? :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2013, 10:47:28 PM
LOL, the M3 Lee.
"Get to the back of the tank!"
I'm so in. Downloading tonight.
It's fun as you can play in short bursts and still make some progress.
But playing in public battles with 14 other people can be frustrating with the stupidity that eeeks through.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2013, 10:55:57 PM
OK, who's the little shit that already registered "CountDeMoney"? :mad: :mad: :mad:
Thought you always went by the names of dead toddlers.
got stuck in a trap. see, i told ya i suck ahaha.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 21, 2013, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2013, 10:55:57 PM
OK, who's the little shit that already registered "CountDeMoney"? :mad: :mad: :mad:
Thought you always went by the names of dead toddlers.
Got tired of JonBenet getting booted from servers by people named "EZBakeJewOven" and "I_HEART_HIMMLER".
Registered as GeneralBurkhaltertop.
Oh well, after waiting forever for the download and install, it says I'm missing some sort of .DLL file in the program.
Fuck it. Deal with it tomorrow.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2013, 10:35:56 PM
Oooh, they've got the PzKpfw IV with the long barrel. :shifty:
Incidentally, you'd want to play the one with the short barrel. Not the real short barrel, but the 105 mm howitzer. You can use HEAT rounds with that.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2013, 12:04:14 AM
Oh well, after waiting forever for the download and install, it says I'm missing some sort of .DLL file in the program.
Fuck it. Deal with it tomorrow.
Didst thou unzip it, sir? I had problems trying to run the installer directly.
That was fun. got in a few kills... and significantly more deaths :D
Quote from: Jaron on January 22, 2013, 12:53:06 AM
Didst thou unzip it, sir? I had problems trying to run the installer directly.
I'll take another look at it later today, see what's going on.
OK, I've downloaded and installed 3 times, I launch the game, I've got the green light for running the current client version, but when I hit Play, I each time I get the message "The program can't start because d3dx9_43.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem."
Stupid fucking Russian code. :mad:
Have you tried re-installing DirectX?
Quote from: Syt on January 22, 2013, 08:38:49 AM
Have you tried re-installing DirectX?
Was about to ask the same thing.
That did it, thanks guys.
After dying in my first battle in, oh, 45 seconds or so, looks like I'm gonna have to buy some gold...
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2013, 09:01:26 AM
After dying in my first battle in, oh, 45 seconds or so, looks like I'm gonna have to buy some gold...
*ominous sound*
Seedy, at this point, what's limiting you is lack of experience. It will take you at least a thousand battles before you have somewhat firm grasp of the basics. Don't be one of those noobs who immediately springs for a Lowe, and then drags down his team when he still gets killed in the first 45 seconds by far more experienced high tier players.
Yeah, there's some decent video tutorials out there how detection/visibility works, the importance of armor angles etc.
And it will take some time till you know the ins and outs of the maps.
If he spends the gold on a premium account so he can elite his lower tier tanks quicker that's ok. It's not a bad idea to spend the first few dozen games in tier one just to learn the ropes.
Quote from: DGuller on January 22, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
Seedy, at this point, what's limiting you is lack of experience. It will take you at least a thousand battles before you have somewhat firm grasp of the basics. Don't be one of those noobs who immediately springs for a Lowe, and then drags down his team when he still gets killed in the first 45 seconds by far more experienced high tier players.
Pfft, I die, everybody dies with me.
Seedy, you want some pointers feel free to give me a call.
What is the best country for TD line in your guys opinion?
Quote from: katmai on January 22, 2013, 05:39:18 PM
What is the best country for TD line in your guys opinion?
IMO, it really depends. Every nation has something going for it, and whatever that is fits different styles differently.
If I had to pick one and one only, I'd probably go with the Soviet line. If you are skilled at staying concealed after firing, and not rushing to the front, SUs from 85 and up can do very well.
Thanks, just curious as up to Hellcat in American turret and JagPz in german, always heard good things about Soviet
Jesus, HVC drives a tank like an Asian chick. If the guy's in a field, he'll go out of his way to crash a telephone pole. :lol: :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2013, 07:43:44 AM
Jesus, HVC drives a tank like an Asian chick. If the guy's in a field, he'll go out of his way to crash a telephone pole. :lol: :P
Sometimes it just to run stuf over :P
but most i can't aim and drive at the same time :blush:
Quote from: DGuller on January 22, 2013, 05:47:15 PM
If I had to pick one and one only, I'd probably go with the Soviet line. If you are skilled at staying concealed after firing, and not rushing to the front, SUs from 85 and up can do very well.
I basejump in my Russian tanks.
Quote from: Berkut on January 22, 2013, 01:51:25 PM
Seedy, you want some pointers feel free to give me a call.
yeah, except, Seedy, your shot can end up wherever within your aiming circle. I know that's not how it works for Berkut, but that's how it is for the rest of us. :P
Berkut knows his turret transverse speeds, man.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2013, 08:35:41 AM
Berkut knows his turret transverse speeds, man.
Well, he does seem to be a good gunner. It's just that he seemed to think at one time that he can tell his gun to always land bullseye shots, and that's not how it works.
What I guess he does, is making sure that he hits SOMETHING on the enemy, even if not what he aimed for.
But the most important thing about this game: play Russian tanks :P Why? The devs are Russian. 'nuff said
LOL, my first "Top Gun", 6 kills with the T-18 and that fucking howitzer. 1 shot, 1 kill.
Quote from: Tamas on January 23, 2013, 08:38:40 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2013, 08:35:41 AM
Berkut knows his turret transverse speeds, man.
Well, he does seem to be a good gunner. It's just that he seemed to think at one time that he can tell his gun to always land bullseye shots, and that's not how it works.
Uhhh, I never said anything of the kind.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2013, 09:19:02 AM
LOL, my first "Top Gun", 6 kills with the T-18 and that fucking howitzer. 1 shot, 1 kill.
Jesus, you got the Top Gun already? We have another Stonewall on our hands. :(
I was highly annoyed that after a few hours he was better then me. Then he went on an early death streak and I felt better :lol:
Quote from: DGuller on January 22, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2013, 09:01:26 AM
After dying in my first battle in, oh, 45 seconds or so, looks like I'm gonna have to buy some gold...
*ominous sound*
Seedy, at this point, what's limiting you is lack of experience. It will take you at least a thousand battles before you have somewhat firm grasp of the basics. Don't be one of those noobs who immediately springs for a Lowe, and then drags down his team when he still gets killed in the first 45 seconds by far more experienced high tier players.
*hush* My KV-3 (with 122 mm) excels at that!
I got to partially blow up DGuller last night, it was glorious!
So ramming's the new hotness, huh?
Lol matchmaker.
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i want World of Warships out now.
HVC is my witness!
Victory!
Battle: El Halluf Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:41:13 PM
Vehicle: Matilda
Experience received: 1,243
Credits received: 25,273
Battle Achievements: Steel Wall, Mastery Badge: "1st Class"
Single handly killed the last 5 of their side when it was just HVC and I left.
We killed 11 total. Kat 6 me 5. It was down hill from there lol
Also, wasn't that the game where i killed the last guy and saved your life? :D
What kinds of tomato cans were you fighting that you can get that many kills with a 2-pounder? :huh:
Quote from: katmai on January 24, 2013, 12:53:21 AM
Single handly killed the last 5 of their side when it was just HVC and I left.
Must've been easy, since HVC is such a HEAT magnet. They were probably all looking for him.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 24, 2013, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 24, 2013, 12:53:21 AM
Single handly killed the last 5 of their side when it was just HVC and I left.
Must've been easy, since HVC is such a HEAT magnet. They were probably all looking for him.
I'll admit to driving like an Asian woman, but you died plenty while not near me mr base jumper :lol:
You'll never know how much air you can get with a light tank until you try.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 24, 2013, 02:31:39 PM
You'll never know how much air you can get with a light tank until you try.
I wish I was good at taking screen shots. I forget what map I was on but I got a good 20-30 foot leap off a small ledge/hill on to the top of an American TD with my Luchs. It was hilarious because we had been dueling and I decided to end it one way or the other going over the top. I crushed the fucker and laughed my head off as I continued on.
I've had a T34 try to do that to me by jumping off a bridge. I reverse out of the landing spot just in time, he busted his tracks on landing, and was so tilted forward that he couldn't elevate his gun enough to shoot at me. :lol: His situation didn't ever improve. :whistle:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 24, 2013, 12:57:57 PM
What kinds of tomato cans were you fighting that you can get that many kills with a 2-pounder? :huh:
M3 Lee, PzIII, T-46's
Ah Public games. Had the capture the flag on the African map with valley in middle and ocean on one map edge.
After the fucknuts all rushed to try and capture the flag before clearing and left T34, Hummel and myself on right flank they all got picked off trying to cap or go uphill.
They then started bitching how come we were just sitting there and didn't help.
Turned out the three of us got 6 of the 8 kills team had and I ended up
Defeat
Battle: El Halluf Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:38:56 PM
Vehicle: PzKpfw V Panther
Experience received: 610
Credits received: 24,751
Battle Achievements: Sniper, Master Gunner, Sharpshooter
heh, once I had IIRC 9 kills with my Marder II and we lost.
50% on consumables this weekend, so good time to stock up.
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That lag I was bitching about this morning might actually be on my end, kat -- seems like everything intrawebs-related is running at The Speed of Dark for me this morning. Stoopid Comcast. We get a 1/4" of snow on the ground overnight & everything goes to hell in a handbasket...
:glare:
LOL, not sure if CDM is blatantly ignoring me or if he just didn't see the chat thingy blinking... ;)
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 25, 2013, 04:07:22 PM
LOL, not sure if CDM is blatantly ignoring me or if he just didn't see the chat thingy blinking... ;)
That thingy is incredibly easy to miss, in my experience.
For me it's usually katmai blinking down there, so I tend to just ignore it... :P
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 25, 2013, 04:07:22 PM
LOL, not sure if CDM is blatantly ignoring me or if he just didn't see the chat thingy blinking... ;)
Sometimes I take a nap right wherever I am.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 25, 2013, 04:56:57 PM
Sometimes I take a nap right wherever I am.
I want to make an "Old" joke, but I think I'm two years younger than you are...
:P
Quote from: DGuller on January 25, 2013, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 25, 2013, 04:07:22 PM
LOL, not sure if CDM is blatantly ignoring me or if he just didn't see the chat thingy blinking... ;)
That thingy is incredibly easy to miss, in my experience.
Yeah it really is one thing they need to add some kind of audio cue.
Here's a question I've been pondering: what exactly makes WoT so addictive?
Quote from: DGuller on January 25, 2013, 07:45:43 PM
Here's a question I've been pondering: what exactly makes WoT so addictive?
Killing people & breaking shit seems to work for me... :ccr
Quote from: DGuller on January 25, 2013, 07:45:43 PM
Here's a question I've been pondering: what exactly makes WoT so addictive?
To quote a famous military genius, "Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth shattering kaboom?".
HVC you are the taint, as soon as you left i won my next battle in the Churchill :P
Ya, well once you left CdM and I stopped getting teamed against tier 7's, so there :P
Man, I was playing early; must be a population issue at that hour, because my Tier 4 was winding up in Tier 8 pooh fights. :unsure:
Do you have a tier 4 light tank? Get used to it. :P Grinding through the Soviet A-20 in Tier 8-10 battles was painful.
:lol: Yeah, my poor little A-20 has been banged more times than a Languish gay on cocktail night. OOOOH :DICEMAN:
I started hiding between the big guys, trying to survive to late game when the heavies were slowly mucking about, trying to find each other. Then you'll be pretty invaluable as a scout.
I love my 105mm Howitzer on my Tier IV US tank destroyer. It's slow as balls, but when it shows up with a HEAT round, it gets your attention.
Yeah, 105 mm howitzers are the most unbalanced guns out there, both the German and the American ones, due to their ability to fire HEAT. I hope they're going to be nerfed soon in some way, because they're really ridiculous, but by all means enjoy them while you can.
Quote from: DGuller on January 26, 2013, 01:32:55 PM
Yeah, 105 mm howitzers are the most unbalanced guns out there, both the German and the American ones, due to their ability to fire HEAT. I hope they're going to be nerfed soon in some way, because they're really ridiculous, but by all means enjoy them while you can.
I agree with you in terms of putting them on meds (Pz IV springs immediately to mind), but putting them on thin skinned, front-mounted TD's doesn't bother me so much. The former can Juke, Jive & Ram while waiting for the reload, but the latter are pretty vulnerable...
Chi-Ha is fucking killing me. Just trying to grind out enough xp to finish researching it out (in case I ever want to come back to chinaman tree) & use the slot to FINALLY pick up a T-150, but I can't buy a win in the little rice burner today...
:(
I need to grind up to my next tank. :wub:
I love the T29
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CdM, Kat, and I played TD's today and we were a wall of death. it was fun.
Daddy got a Wolverine. Daddy like.
Mount the 105mm howitzer on that Wolverine and shoot HEAT rounds from it. With a 1.7 second aim time, it's silly OP.
Ask HVC; I put howitzers on everything.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 28, 2013, 01:07:34 PM
Ask HVC; I put howitzers on everything.
Enjoy it while you can. Tier 5 is pretty much the last tier that howitzers work on (and they used to work fairly well with HE ammo even before the HEAT nonsense). From tier 6 on, except for maybe some oddball exceptions like SU-152, length beats girth.
Quote from: DGuller on January 28, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
Enjoy it while you can. Tier 5 is pretty much the last tier that howitzers work on (and they used to work fairly well with HE ammo even before the HEAT nonsense). From tier 6 on, except for maybe some oddball exceptions like SU-152, length beats girth.
Yeah, they're high risk/high reward. With those reload rates, you've got one decent shot, maybe two, before you're brewed.
Defeat! Map: Serene Coast Monday, January 28, 2013 4:06:32 PM
Vehicle: E-50 Ausf. M
Exp: 676 + Credits: 48,268
Achievements: : Carius' Medal I Class
I love how the puppies bitch when they're killed by a lower tier using premium ammo.
ZOMG HES USING GOLD
Like it's a hack or something.
Quote from: Berkut on January 28, 2013, 04:15:39 PM
Defeat! Map: Serene Coast Monday, January 28, 2013 4:06:32 PM
Vehicle: E-50 Ausf. M
Exp: 676 + Credits: 48,268
Achievements: : Carius' Medal I Class
You bastards don't even know the significance of that, do you? :P
I've been told people that concern themselves with awards and medals have low self esteem.
Quote from: Berkut on January 29, 2013, 02:49:49 AM
You bastards don't even know the significance of that, do you? :P
A shitload of dead tanks, man.
My most fun achievement was Fadin's Medal.
QuoteAwarded for destroying the last enemy vehicle in the battle with the last shell in the ammo.
Got it with the first Soviet arty. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 28, 2013, 12:32:46 PM
Daddy got a Wolverine. Daddy like.
Good deal. It was making me nuts platooning with you the other day slumming around with super-low tiered rigs...
:P
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 29, 2013, 06:26:04 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 28, 2013, 12:32:46 PM
Daddy got a Wolverine. Daddy like.
Good deal. It was making me nuts platooning with you the other day slumming around with super-low tiered rigs...
:P
Ass. :P
I should be in both the Lee and the T-34 sometime this evening.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2013, 07:40:21 AM
I should be in both the Lee and the T-34 sometime this evening.
You poor, poor bastard. I'll pray for you. :pope:
Yeah, not real thrilled about having to grind through the Lee.
It's not a bad tank for tier. And with all time you've played the TD's it will feel at home in regards to no turret.
You won't have to grind the Lee for long. It rarely survives more than a couple of hits, and there are lots of things to hit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2013, 05:52:42 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 29, 2013, 02:49:49 AM
You bastards don't even know the significance of that, do you? :P
A shitload of dead tanks, man.
Grats Berkie. Didn't know what it meant. Course could just mean you've played a shitload of games.
Quote from: katmai on January 29, 2013, 09:59:08 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2013, 05:52:42 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 29, 2013, 02:49:49 AM
You bastards don't even know the significance of that, do you? :P
A shitload of dead tanks, man.
Grats Berkie. Didn't know what it meant. Course could just mean you've played a shitload of games.
Well yeah - it certainly does mean that...
I was just noticing that if I can manage 800 kills in my next match, I can increase my kills/match ratio to a nice even 1.00!
Quote from: katmai on January 29, 2013, 09:46:01 AM
It's not a bad tank for tier.
Well, if you don't consider its shitty gun, terrible armor, poor speed, and gigantic size, yeah, it isn't so bad.
Quote
And with all time you've played the TD's it will feel at home in regards to no turret.
Yeah, it is just like a TD, except for the lack of camo and horrifically bad gun. Plus the fact that everyone shoots at you because they know you are easy meat.
Overall the M3 is an excellent...something.
Lol yeah I logged in last night just as that discussion was going on in clan chat. Doing much better than me in that regard.
Quote from: katmai on January 29, 2013, 10:27:45 AM
Lol yeah I logged in last night just as that discussion was going on in clan chat. Doing much better than me in that regard.
Nobody else cares about stats though.
I love crunching them.
CdM is so cute referring to WoT tanks like they are simulated versions of the real tanks :P
Anyways, I hated the Lee, but as others said, just play it like a TD and you will be fine.
A TD which cannot hide, cannot move, and have no armor.
What can I say had good matches in M3.
Quote from: Berkut on January 29, 2013, 10:28:27 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 29, 2013, 10:27:45 AM
Lol yeah I logged in last night just as that discussion was going on in clan chat. Doing much better than me in that regard.
Nobody else cares about stats though.
I love crunching them.
:yeahright:
Quote from: Tamas on January 29, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
CdM is so cute referring to WoT tanks like they are simulated versions of the real tanks :P
Show me where I said that, Beet-34.
Quote from: katmai on January 29, 2013, 10:36:31 AM
What can I say had good matches in M3.
Unfortunately, it's the only way to get to the Shermans and the heavies.
I'm in the Wolverine, but my crew in the T40 is at 98%, so I'm just waiting for them to get to 100% so I can give them their skills and port them over to the M8A1, and go through the US TD tree. :menace:
I've got less than 2K experience to get before I can migrate to the T-34, but I was looking at my German tree, and I haven't done anything past the Tractor, so I've got a bunch of exp saved up at that level. I'm definitely going tank with the Krauts. Hate Hetzers too much now to want to play them. :lol:
Quote from: katmai on January 29, 2013, 10:36:31 AM
What can I say had good matches in M3.
You can have good games with every crappy tank, given the right combination of good MM, retarded opposition and own competence.
Here is a review of the M3 Lee that pretty much sums it up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWdK9YP2Kk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWdK9YP2Kk)
So enjoy your 30+k XP grind to T1 and M4, Seedy. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2013, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 29, 2013, 10:36:31 AM
What can I say had good matches in M3.
Unfortunately, it's the only way to get to the Shermans and the heavies.
I'm in the Wolverine, but my crew in the T40 is at 98%, so I'm just waiting for them to get to 100% so I can give them their skills and port them over to the M8A1, and go through the US TD tree. :menace:
I've got less than 2K experience to get before I can migrate to the T-34, but I was looking at my German tree, and I haven't done anything past the Tractor, so I've got a bunch of exp saved up at that level. I'm definitely going tank with the Krauts. Hate Hetzers too much now to want to play them. :lol:
it's because of my awesome hertzer skills, isn't it? :P
You are: Hertzerpalooza.
I was: deadly in my Hetzer :menace:
Also, Seedy, M4 Sherman is just pure awesomness with the howitzer. Money making machine, and can troll the bigger tanks as well. Nothing better than derping some über asshole in the back when he flat out ignores you in his Tier 8 Getotofmaway
I affectionately call it the turtle. My summer camo actually makes it look like a turtle lol
Quote from: Tamas on January 29, 2013, 12:52:21 PM
Also, Seedy, M4 Sherman is just pure awesomness with the howitzer. Money making machine, and can troll the bigger tanks as well. Nothing better than derping some über asshole in the back when he flat out ignores you in his Tier 8 Getotofmaway
Yeah, sounds a lot more fun, just gotta grind through the Lee.
I really don't see the reason why artillery is in the game, since apparently its only purpose for it is to get rammed by a Stuart at the beginning of the game. Seems like a waste of exp.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2013, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 29, 2013, 12:52:21 PM
Also, Seedy, M4 Sherman is just pure awesomness with the howitzer. Money making machine, and can troll the bigger tanks as well. Nothing better than derping some über asshole in the back when he flat out ignores you in his Tier 8 Getotofmaway
Yeah, sounds a lot more fun, just gotta grind through the Lee.
I really don't see the reason why artillery is in the game, since apparently its only purpose for it is to get rammed by a Stuart at the beginning of the game. Seems like a waste of exp.
You get the highest kill ratios in the arty, once you learn to use it.
Taking 50 life at a time off higher tiers is frustrating, but in games with equal tiers it's fun.
the stug is sex on wheels... er tracks
Quote from: HVC on January 29, 2013, 11:09:08 PM
the stug is sex on wheels... er tracks
It is? I found it quite underwhelming. Then again, that was before you could HEAT everyone for silver.
Quote from: DGuller on January 30, 2013, 01:28:51 AM
Quote from: HVC on January 29, 2013, 11:09:08 PM
the stug is sex on wheels... er tracks
It is? I found it quite underwhelming. Then again, that was before you could HEAT everyone for silver.
well, my first tank at that tier lol
you can get premium ammo for silver? Since when? I havent played in quite a while but still
He didn't say that :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2013, 07:40:21 AM
Ass. :P
I should be in both the Lee and the T-34 sometime this evening.
Been nutty at work this week & not looking to get any better for me any time soon. I'm off tomorrow (Thursday), though, and will probably be around a fair bit if we happen to bump into each other & want to get something going. Won't have another day off after that until Tuesday, though...
:ccr
Ugh, the T-34 is some slowboating bullshit.
Even though I'm in the Wolverine, I'm having fun shootin' and scootin' with the M8A1. It's like a TD Stuart.
Still haven't done anything with the German tree; haven't decided to go tanks or arty, because the tier 3 French arty is killing me, and tier 4 is sooooo far away. :bleeding:
Quote from: Tamas on January 30, 2013, 02:53:07 AM
you can get premium ammo for silver? Since when? I havent played in quite a while but still
You think I kill Hetzers by just ramming them?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 30, 2013, 07:26:30 AM
Ugh, the T-34 is some slowboating bullshit.
Even though I'm in the Wolverine, I'm having fun shootin' and scootin' with the M8A1. It's like a TD Stuart.
Still haven't done anything with the German tree; haven't decided to go tanks or arty, because the tier 3 French arty is killing me, and tier 4 is sooooo far away. :bleeding:
Back away from the Frenchies...just do it while you still have your sanity. I made your same mistake, I figured, "hey, french Arty cannot be that bad, I'll give them a go!". Well, it's rough grind from 3 to 4, and not worth it. You spend a ton of time in Tier 3....missing, and once in awhile you get a hit only for 75% of them to BOUNCE off the target. I quickly switched to the German Arty line. My suggestion is take the light tank route (PZII) to the Wespe. You will rock and roll thru the PZII and the Wespe is superior to the Bison or STPzII (both of which will require you to get waaaaay to close to the enemy to use).
Yeah, low tier arties should be avoided, if possible. They don't hit their stride until they get 1000 damage shells. If you can shortcut the arty tree via some tank, I'd recommend going for it.
Quote from: Strix on January 30, 2013, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 30, 2013, 07:26:30 AM
Ugh, the T-34 is some slowboating bullshit.
Even though I'm in the Wolverine, I'm having fun shootin' and scootin' with the M8A1. It's like a TD Stuart.
Still haven't done anything with the German tree; haven't decided to go tanks or arty, because the tier 3 French arty is killing me, and tier 4 is sooooo far away. :bleeding:
Back away from the Frenchies...just do it while you still have your sanity. I made your same mistake, I figured, "hey, french Arty cannot be that bad, I'll give them a go!". Well, it's rough grind from 3 to 4, and not worth it. You spend a ton of time in Tier 3....missing, and once in awhile you get a hit only for 75% of them to BOUNCE off the target. I quickly switched to the German Arty line. My suggestion is take the light tank route (PZII) to the Wespe. You will rock and roll thru the PZII and the Wespe is superior to the Bison or STPzII (both of which will require you to get waaaaay to close to the enemy to use).
I've done all the Arty lines up through at least tier 4, and there's no contest that the SU-26 is the best tier 3 and in many situations better than most of the tier 4s. Even with the recent Arty nerf it still can wipe out the enemy single handed if it gets favorable matchmaking, and without it play merry hell with everything except for the tier 5+ heavies. It used to be ridiculously OP, now it's just slightly OP. I'm a solidly ok player (probably 51% W/R without the SU-26) but I have a 60% W/R in the SU-26.
The tier 3 French Arty isn't too bad. It aims fairly quickly and is nice and small. I don't have enough time on the tier 4 to have a strong opinion.
When you get to tier 5 and 6 I prefer the German line (Hummel and GW Panther are great), but in tier 4 I think the SU-5 is surprisingly underrated. Yes it runs out of ammo way too quickly and has no range, but it's quick firing, accurate, has a nice arc and hits fairly hard. For making an impact early in a match it's great. If it ends up being a long drawn out affair you'll probably end up suiciding or making a (slow) run to cap.
I've only dabbled in tier 7 for Arty, but the GW Tiger was a terrible downer after the Panther. I haven't bothered with trying to get to any others.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 30, 2013, 07:26:30 AM
Ugh, the T-34 is some slowboating bullshit.
Even though I'm in the Wolverine, I'm having fun shootin' and scootin' with the M8A1. It's like a TD Stuart.
Still haven't done anything with the German tree; haven't decided to go tanks or arty, because the tier 3 French arty is killing me, and tier 4 is sooooo far away. :bleeding:
For the T-34, get the low caliber fast-firing gun, not sure which one it is exactly. Yeah, you are not going to hurt upper tiers but that wouldn't happen anyways. In exchange, you get quite good accuracy for a Russian gun, and a very fast ROF to annoy people with. And it is awesome against low-armored targets.
Yeah, the 57 mm ZiS gun is the least worst one for T-34.
Quote from: Tamas on January 30, 2013, 12:04:38 PM
For the T-34, get the low caliber fast-firing gun, not sure which one it is exactly. Yeah, you are not going to hurt upper tiers but that wouldn't happen anyways. In exchange, you get quite good accuracy for a Russian gun, and a very fast ROF to annoy people with. And it is awesome against low-armored targets.
Yeah, similar to the little A-20 plink gun; good against light shit by annoying the shit out of them so they can't target fast.
Frunk: I haven't been too disappointed with the Lorraine, it's a tough little arty piece for Tier 3 despite its load time, with just enough HP to haul ass from the spawn and avoid the scout rammers, and I've dropped some premium ammo rounds on some targets with it I had no business killing otherwise; it's just that the grind from III to IV is sooooo long.
Sounds like the path to the Wespe is a plan, fellas.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 30, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 30, 2013, 12:04:38 PM
For the T-34, get the low caliber fast-firing gun, not sure which one it is exactly. Yeah, you are not going to hurt upper tiers but that wouldn't happen anyways. In exchange, you get quite good accuracy for a Russian gun, and a very fast ROF to annoy people with. And it is awesome against low-armored targets.
Yeah, similar to the little A-20 plink gun; good against light shit by annoying the shit out of them so they can't target fast.
Frunk: I haven't been too disappointed with the Lorraine, it's a tough little arty piece for Tier 3 despite its load time, with just enough HP to haul ass from the spawn and avoid the scout rammers, and I've dropped some premium ammo rounds on some targets with it I had no business killing otherwise; it's just that the grind from III to IV is sooooo long.
Sounds like the path to the Wespe is a plan, fellas.
Arty grind is a good bit longer than any of the other tanks, primarily because although it says that it's a tier 4 it's actually tier 5.5 or 6. So you need the XP for a whole extra tank that you don't get to play.
Whelp, I've had more success with the Wespe in a few hours than I've had with the French arty for a few days; even a slight load rate improvement helps, as does the horsepower to did mau most riki tik away from the spawn.
Before CdM says anything, yes, i ran into a rock in the desert :D
The only rock.
Quote from: DGuller on January 30, 2013, 10:27:44 AM
Yeah, low tier arties should be avoided, if possible. They don't hit their stride until they get 1000 damage shells. If you can shortcut the arty tree via some tank, I'd recommend going for it.
You can grind the M7 Priest via the M3 Lee for a mere additional 33k XP. :contract:
Quote from: Malicious Intent on January 31, 2013, 05:06:41 AM
Quote from: DGuller on January 30, 2013, 10:27:44 AM
Yeah, low tier arties should be avoided, if possible. They don't hit their stride until they get 1000 damage shells. If you can shortcut the arty tree via some tank, I'd recommend going for it.
You can grind the M7 Priest via the M3 Lee for a mere additional 33k XP. :contract:
So, sooooo cruel... :(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2013, 07:40:21 AM
Quote from: C.C.R. on January 29, 2013, 06:26:04 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 28, 2013, 12:32:46 PM
Daddy got a Wolverine. Daddy like.
Good deal. It was making me nuts platooning with you the other day slumming around with super-low tiered rigs...
:P
Ass. :P
I should be in both the Lee and the T-34 sometime this evening.
I got my 11 year old to grind the Lee for me. After playing it the first time he called me and left a voicemail that started with "Dad, this Lee smells like dog buns." :D
So yeah the Panther with long 75 is kinda fun.
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:rolleyes: Find tanks at your own tier to fight.
Quote from: DGuller on February 04, 2013, 01:45:32 AM
:rolleyes: Find tanks at your own tier to fight.
I can't help what matchmaker put me in, I can only take advantage of what it gave me :blurgh:
All the matters is I got my KV1 and I never have to use the t-28 ever again. Ever.
Grats.
Quote from: HVC on February 04, 2013, 09:13:42 AM
All the matters is I got my KV1 and I never have to use the t-28 ever again. Ever.
IMO, pound for pound, KV-1 is the most dominant tank in the game. I'm on the 3rd crew for mine (first two to KV-1S & T-150 respectively), and have no intention of getting rid of it. You can't lose creds in the thing unless you TK somebody...
And, like, I dig that it's +60% creds for T29 for the next few days, but not digging the collection of retards that I'm getting teamed up with. Christ, I've downgraded this afternoon from Pabst to Hamm's and I'm fucking STILL topping my teams in XP earned in fucking Tier IX matches. Fucking jackholes...
<_<
Is this better Dguller :blurgh:
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Addictive fucking game.
I can quit anytime i want to!
Right after I PayPal for more gold.
I think the addictiveness comes from:
- easy to pick up controls
- surprisingly strong sim engine underneath for a F2P game, plus good visuals
- quick games with instant action instead of hours long grind fests
Got into the Hellcat this morning, fellas. Couldn't wait anymore. Need to hang with the Tier VIs.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 06, 2013, 10:04:20 AM
Got into the Hellcat this morning, fellas. Couldn't wait anymore. Need to hang with the Tier VIs.
Tier VI's I'll play with you. Could even swing Tier V's. Just can't handle slumming the III's & IV's anymore... :P
having a grand time with this. i refuse to play anything but french tanks, just because. the BDR is so.. clunky
let me know when and i'll run my vk with yall
So glad i just got my M12 yesterday :cry:
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Treachery has a new name. :angry:
What did you change your name to now?
Quote from: Jaron on February 08, 2013, 01:23:26 AM
Treachery has a new name. :angry:
Eat me, retard. Who the fuck queues up a Tier II for a Tier VI match? Oh yeah, you.
Might as well've stoned out in the middle of a quest. WHELP GOTTA TRAIN CYA
Just be glad booting you from the platoon was the worst I could do.
Did some company battle last night. It was fun. Got half our team kills in the second match (2 :P )
My list of players I have to automatically TK in games is growing longer.
7 kills, Top Gun, Reaper, and Fadin's Medal. All with a lil' ol' Grille.
Did you bail on 3rd AC already Seedy?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2013, 10:31:53 AM
7 kills, Top Gun, Reaper, and Fadin's Medal. All with a lil' ol' Grille.
The Grille is a great little arty in the right battle.
Quote from: Berkut on February 13, 2013, 01:39:21 PM
Did you bail on 3rd AC already Seedy?
Yup. Just wrapped a little too tight for me.
edit: FU Kat. :P
:lol:
I did some company battles with the clan last night
while its clear that shoelace is a good tactician and tank driver he is a strategic moron
my two favorite shoelace decisions:
1. "we will not bring arty its a waste of a company slot" (with the predictable result that the opposing team stayed very clustered with and rushed choke points with no fear of arty rainuing death upon them); and
2. let's split up the sniper tanks and have them push one direction while we send the heavy brawlers the opposite way (with the result that after the whole enemy company rolled our sniper tanksand then swarmed our brawlers (while their arty rained death on us)
he did this four times in a row before I logged
I just don't need to be lectured about complimenting the opposing team in open chat at the end of a round by two people for over 3 minutes. One, sure. But after the first two minutes of the lecture I kinda get the message, so I really don't need another one chiming in for his 60 seconds' worth of Why We Don't Ever Ever Ever Talk To The Opposing Clan.
Christ, we're not at Fort Benning Armor School. Wrapped tighter than Berkut's oven mitts.
And Mr. Speech Impediment telling me how to drive a Wolverine in a round that I get 2 kills, while his is brewed faster than a K-cup. I'd rather pug with anonymous retards than known retards.
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Yeah, I think I am going to pull the trigger on a new 660 at some point soon.
Quote from: Berkut on February 13, 2013, 02:48:19 PM
Yeah, I think I am going to pull the trigger on a new 660 at some point soon.
Yeah i've had my 560 since Xmas '11 so in market for upgrade.
One thing that really annoyes me about PuGs. Well, actually it is two related things.
1. People are so fucking stupid aggressive. There are 15 people in the match, and generally the match is won or lost by whichever side has fewer idiots who think good play is a race to see who can site who first and get their ass blown away as everyone blazes out into the engagement zones and gets blown away. Most matches, this is 1/3rd to 1/2 your team who dies in the initial couple minutes.
2. The really fucking annoying part is that often after these dumbfucks get themselves killed, they spend the rest of the match bitching about what pussies everyone else is for not rushing out like they did, and how we are going lose because of "campers".
I just had a match in my ISU-152, which we lost when 4 of our tanks were dead in the first 90 seconds as they sprinted into enemy artillery and a force of 8 heavies moving together. I was staying back seeing what would happen (in cover of course), and got a couple kills and some nice damage, but had to listen to one guy actually say "WTF? WHY IS THE ISU152 HANGING BACK? WAY TO LOSE THE GAME!".
I mean, really?
Hell, I used to actually be WAY too agressive (I still am at times) and be one of those people always dead in the first few minutes. Since then I've tried to take on a much more "Lets hang back and see what develops" approach - say in the last 6 months of play. Since then my ratings gave gone up, and my overall (11,000 plus matches) win rate has gone from 48% to 51%. I think I am doing something right.
And in a freaking TD? Oh yeah, you fucking better believe I am "camping" as long as camping is defined as "I want to see them before they see me, and hence get the first shot. Therefore, I intend to set up the fight so that if possible, they are coming towards me instead of the other way around".
Blind aggression != strategy.
IMO there's two things you can do with a TD most of the time:
- ambush the enemy from a good position
- hanging back behind your team's advance and let the team mates paint the targets for you - keeps your squishy ass out of sight but able to pick off some enemies
People who want TDs in the first line of offense = idiots.
Haha yes grouping with Seedy when he first started he was always in vanguard.
With the pugs I'm usually sitting in start area for first 20 secs just to see if team is Lemmings and all rushing to one side or just see where the help us gonna be needed. I think I learned that actually from playing my T34 where in high tier battles excels as second tier tank.
Quote from: Berkut on February 13, 2013, 03:38:45 PM
2. The really fucking annoying part is that often after these dumbfucks get themselves killed, they spend the rest of the match bitching about what pussies everyone else is for not rushing out like they did, and how we are going lose because of "campers".
:lol: Ain't dat da truff.
Although, people who bitch too much about arty not getting any kills wind up getting tracked. OOPS SO SOLLY.
I've learned a couple things from pugging:
As a TD, wait about a minute from the spawn, and follow the bigger group, hang back and snipe while people are occupied with scouts and heavies. Or go find my fave spots and do my own thing.
As arty, haul ass from the spawn, because the scouts are coming and nobody's going to protect you.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2013, 03:55:23 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 13, 2013, 03:38:45 PM
2. The really fucking annoying part is that often after these dumbfucks get themselves killed, they spend the rest of the match bitching about what pussies everyone else is for not rushing out like they did, and how we are going lose because of "campers".
:lol: Ain't dat da truff.
Although, people who bitch too much about arty not getting any kills wind up getting tracked. OOPS SO SOLLY.
I've learned a couple things from pugging:
As a TD, wait about a minute from the spawn, and follow the bigger group, hang back and snipe while people are occupied with scouts and heavies. Or go find my fave spots and do my own thing.
As arty, haul ass from the spawn, because the scouts are coming and nobody's going to protect you.
:yes:
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2013, 03:55:23 PM
As a TD, wait about a minute from the spawn, and follow the bigger group, hang back and snipe while people are occupied with scouts and heavies.
Get a feeling for the detection ranges of the tanks. If you hang back, often you can shoot at enemies that are spotted by the front line tanks (and radioed to you), but they can't shoot back because you're out of their detection range. It's pretty safe if you know what you're doing, and if you know when to haul ass because the enemy is overwhelming your team.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2013, 10:31:53 AM
7 kills, Top Gun, Reaper, and Fadin's Medal. All with a lil' ol' Grille.
Woot, my 2nd Fadin's Medal for that crew. Last kill of the round with the last round remaining. Doesn't get much more closer than that.
I've already unlocked the Hummel, but I've become too badass with this Grille.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 14, 2013, 10:38:16 AM
I've already unlocked the Hummel, but I've become too badass with this Grille.
I had more fun with the Grille than the Hummel...
Quote from: Syt on February 14, 2013, 12:02:00 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2013, 03:55:23 PM
As a TD, wait about a minute from the spawn, and follow the bigger group, hang back and snipe while people are occupied with scouts and heavies.
Get a feeling for the detection ranges of the tanks. If you hang back, often you can shoot at enemies that are spotted by the front line tanks (and radioed to you), but they can't shoot back because you're out of their detection range. It's pretty safe if you know what you're doing, and if you know when to haul ass because the enemy is overwhelming your team.
Even better is when you learn the art of "double bushing." Use your other tanks to spot and fire with utter impunity as the second set of bushes beyond the 15meter disappearance range when shooting keeps you camo'd.
Once you learn how to be the "invisi-tank" everyone hates so much, the game gets even more fun. Nothing beats trolling people who don't understand spotting mechanics.
dear god. i was just on a team so bad that three of there team got TK'd a few seconds into it and we still lost.
HVC just broke WoT
It was Kat!
Although my tank being stuck in a battle that was over might have something to do with it :P
This is why you aren't allowed nice things Hilario.
Is anyone else having trouble connecting?
It was a bumpy ride earlier in the day, with me and HVC in a couple crashes, but no problems tonight so far.
Quote from: Berkut on February 17, 2013, 11:18:45 PM
Is anyone else having trouble connecting?
Not since sever went down for maintenance around 7pm your time.
Witnessed my first Kolobanov game. The enemy had just at IS left, while we had 5 left. To my credit, I saw that IS get a Kolobanov a mile away. I tried to warn my team, but they decided to all rush the cap in a disorganized manner, and none of the tanks individually could stand up to it. I was right.
Quote from: DGuller on February 18, 2013, 12:59:41 AM
Witnessed my first Kolobanov game. The enemy had just at IS left, while we had 5 left. To my credit, I saw that IS get a Kolobanov a mile away. I tried to warn my team, but they decided to all rush the cap in a disorganized manner, and none of the tanks individually could stand up to it. I was right.
I had never heard of this before, nice piece of history.
This isn't a game question, but just some random thought that occurred to me. Why did the Germans convert some of the Soviet tanks they captured for their own use? I would think that the cost of retrofitting and maintaining a completely unfamiliar beast like a KV-1 would be prohibitive, and how well can a German crew used to German controls and crew comfort fight in a Soviet tank? The only advantage I can think of is using the captured tank for infiltration purposes, but that kind of goes out the window when you paint it gray and put a cross on it.
My guess: you can have either no tank or a handful enemy tanks (with a couple of them designated as source for spare parts). What do you choose?
Quote from: Syt on February 19, 2013, 09:17:45 AM
My guess: you can have either no tank or a handful enemy tanks (with a couple of them designated as source for spare parts). What do you choose?
But it's not like you can just get in and go in the enemy tank, it's not like an enemy rifle that you can just pick up from the dead enemy. They seemed to have required a lot of retrofitting, which must've used up resources.
Question is: more resources than having a bunch of new tanks sent from the Reich to the Steppes?
I dont think they did much, if any "retrofitting".
It was mostly simply a matter of capturing substantial numbers of perfectly operating equipment due to the huge encirclements, and deciding that they should make use of it.
The Germans, IIRC, actually started manufacturing Soviet 76mm artillery ammunition they captured so many 76mm howitzers.
And it's not like tanks from different nationalities were alien technology and would take major efforts to use it; in the end, they all have the same basic components.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 19, 2013, 03:40:07 PM
And it's not like tanks from different nationalities were alien technology and would take major efforts to use it; in the end, they all have the same basic components.
correct; it's like the difference between a russian woman or a german woman...once you break them open like a shotgun, the parts are basically the same.
Quote from: Rasputin on February 21, 2013, 10:08:28 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 19, 2013, 03:40:07 PM
And it's not like tanks from different nationalities were alien technology and would take major efforts to use it; in the end, they all have the same basic components.
correct; it's like the difference between a russian woman or a german woman...once you break them open like a shotgun, the parts are basically the same.
Disturbing, but correct, metaphor.
Quote from: katmai on February 13, 2013, 08:18:19 PM
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Think that I'm finally going to cash this in tomorrow (Saturday) - Wifey is taking Weiner #1 to a Girl Scout Thingy in the sprawling metropolis of Peoria, Illinois tomorrow & I'm home all day with Weiner #2. Will probably crack open a 55 gallon drum of fruit snacks for her, plop a cooler of beer & an empty 5 gallon bucket next to the computer for me & proceed to Grind The Fuck Out Of Shit all day...
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Good time, since there will still be the 5x XP for the first win each day.
Quote from: Berkut on February 22, 2013, 02:22:07 PM
Good time, since there will still be the 5x XP for the first win each day.
Yep. ;)
In fact, think I'm going to Shut It Down this afternoon before Daily Doubles (Quintuples) start & just hit them all tomorrow morning after activating the one day of Premium. Hawks-Sharks are on tonight, anyways, and want to get a nap in late this afternoon -- both for the hockey game & so I can see Wifey when she gets home from work tonight...
1st item on The Agenda tomorrow: grind the fuck out of my Tiger II so that I can elite it & shitcan it. The thing has just been irking me lately. I need about 30k xp to research the E-75, which is pretty doable with a day of Premium. Also need to finish off my AMX 40 so that I can buy the ELC while it's half off & grind the fucker with the +70% special. It's just soooooo painful, though...
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Worthy of a bit of bragging:
Victory! Map: Fisherman's Bay Monday, February 25, 2013 4:18:05 AM
Vehicle: Cromwell
Exp: 12,180 (x5) + Credits: 54,417 (Compensation: 270)
Achievements: : Radley-Walters's Medal, Top Gun, Master Gunner, Sharpshooter, Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
Kills (Damage done):
Covenanter (224)
M4 (211)
M7 (440)
VK3601H(635)
KV-1(66)
KV-1(640)
KV-1s(542)
KV-2 (576)
35 shots fired, 29 hits, 27 pens for 3629 damage
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20130225_0418_Cromwell_12kXP_8kills.wotreplay
Quote from: Berkut on February 25, 2013, 04:33:32 AM
Worthy of a bit of bragging:
Victory! Map: Fisherman's Bay Monday, February 25, 2013 4:18:05 AM
Vehicle: Cromwell
Exp: 12,180 (x5) + Credits: 54,417 (Compensation: 270)
Achievements: : Radley-Walters's Medal, Top Gun, Master Gunner, Sharpshooter, Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
Kills (Damage done):
Covenanter (224)
M4 (211)
M7 (440)
VK3601H(635)
KV-1(66)
KV-1(640)
KV-1s(542)
KV-2 (576)
35 shots fired, 29 hits, 27 pens for 3629 damage
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20130225_0418_Cromwell_12kXP_8kills.wotreplay
Holy moly that's a battle. How'd you do it?
OMG HAX
Quote from: Rasputin on February 25, 2013, 09:04:25 AM
Quote from: Berkut on February 25, 2013, 04:33:32 AM
Worthy of a bit of bragging:
Victory! Map: Fisherman's Bay Monday, February 25, 2013 4:18:05 AM
Vehicle: Cromwell
Exp: 12,180 (x5) + Credits: 54,417 (Compensation: 270)
Achievements: : Radley-Walters's Medal, Top Gun, Master Gunner, Sharpshooter, Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
Kills (Damage done):
Covenanter (224)
M4 (211)
M7 (440)
VK3601H(635)
KV-1(66)
KV-1(640)
KV-1s(542)
KV-2 (576)
35 shots fired, 29 hits, 27 pens for 3629 damage
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16125366/20130225_0418_Cromwell_12kXP_8kills.wotreplay
Holy moly that's a battle. How'd you do it?
As is always the case when you have a battle like this:
Mainly because the enemy cooperated so nicely.
Just played a match with this guy:
http://worldoftanks.com/community/accounts/1000161411-fastmetal/
30,000 battles, and a 58% win rate.
That is just ridiculously good. Like...I would not believe it possible unless I see it with my own eyes good.
It doesn't seem to be uncommon if the guy platoons a lot. I've seen people who platoon have some truly eye-popping stats. They weren't over 30,000 matches, but even 10,000 battles is more than sufficient.
I platoon with HVC, and he's got a whopping 76% Crashing Into A Rock rate.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 26, 2013, 02:13:32 PM
I platoon with HVC, and he's got a whopping 76% Crashing Into A Rock rate.
Well, the way they move around does make it hard to avoid them.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 26, 2013, 02:13:32 PM
I platoon with HVC, and he's got a whopping 76% Crashing Into A Rock rate.
Rates up there with my 82% running into buildings rate... :Embarrass:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 26, 2013, 02:13:32 PM
I platoon with HVC, and he's got a whopping 76% Crashing Into A Rock rate.
one time dammit! :D
Although your record ain't stellar either :D
i hate this fucking game
Quote from: HVC on February 26, 2013, 05:45:15 PM
Although your record ain't stellar either :D
I base jump. The rocks I hit are farther away, and get close faster.
A fully upgraded T-150 is pretty fun... :)
Had an Assault drop this morning for the Siegfried Line map; during the countdown, some guy with his Tier VI French artillery starts barking orders, how "NOBODY CAMPS EVERYBODY MOVES OR I WILL TK YOU I MEAN IT".
So I turned around and shot him.
ZOMG REPORTED WITH VIDEO ENJOY UR BAN
Yeah, whatever.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 27, 2013, 05:16:19 PM
Had an Assault drop this morning for the Siegfried Line map; during the countdown, some guy with his Tier VI French artillery starts barking orders, how "NOBODY CAMPS EVERYBODY MOVES OR I WILL TK YOU I MEAN IT".
So I turned around and shot him.
ZOMG REPORTED WITH VIDEO ENJOY UR BAN
Yeah, whatever.
LOL, I had my first On Purpose TK yesterday morning when I smoked a Pz IV for going after our Grille. I guess I was reported, too. Oh noes... :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 27, 2013, 05:16:19 PM
Had an Assault drop this morning for the Siegfried Line map; during the countdown, some guy with his Tier VI French artillery starts barking orders, how "NOBODY CAMPS EVERYBODY MOVES OR I WILL TK YOU I MEAN IT".
So I turned around and shot him.
ZOMG REPORTED WITH VIDEO ENJOY UR BAN
Yeah, whatever.
Hysterical. I've never tk'd anyone, intentionally, but I might have tk'd this douche. I suspect no one on your team was too upset about it.
That's the thing, I didn't even kill him; just dropped him to 8% and went about my business as a scout finally rammed him. :D
Lol. The arty did have a point though. at least on eu servers there can be intense camping on the attacking side
What, Europeans showing a lack of aggression? Imagine that.
Bet if there were Jews around that flag, they'd be all over it.
I one-shot a Tiger with my Jackson with a 1,113 point ammo rack detonation. Looked like a Syrian T-72. Woof.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 28, 2013, 09:03:28 PM
I one-shot a Tiger with my Jackson with a 1,113 point ammo rack detonation. Looked like a Syrian T-72. Woof.
you're late :P
I started playing this game again after a six month hiatus and it looks totally different. What are all these new vehicles?? And countries??? :o
At least the gameplay still is intact. My derped out Hetzer just hetzed its way to 5 kills and a base capture for the match win. Hezter gunna hetz. :cool: :cool:
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:lol: Well I'm driving a Stug now. I want to fill out the German TD tree before I do the Soviet and American trees.
You were already on friends list flip-I-can!
And yeah they have been upgrading the game graphically quite a bit.
Quote from: katmai on March 01, 2013, 03:36:13 PM
You were already on friends list flip-I-can!
And yeah they have been upgrading the game graphically quite a bit.
I had to re-add you after I updated to 8.3.
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only heavy (KV-1) in a medium and td game. i was a living god. 16 hits only took only took 204 damage. Most of which was from lowby arty who tracked me in the capture zone and kept pinging me.
Seedy broke world of Tanks. :(
hopefully the restart fixes the lag.
Gonna take a break for a bit, make something to eat and feed the cat before she shivs me.
back up
Don't you guys worry that you're going to get robbed, seeing as the developer is Russian?
Buying enough Paradox products, it shouldn't be any different than being robbed by Swedes.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2013, 10:13:05 PM
Buying enough Paradox products, it shouldn't be any different than being robbed by Swedes.
That's different. It's one thing to make a game that isn't so good. It's something completely different to drain your credit card and sell all your personal information to criminals.
I have my PayPal account in Berkut's name. I'm clean.
Credit card is insured, i'm good.
LOL, MM is being especially fistfuckful this morning with teaming me up with retard teams two tiers higher than I am. I just had a Caernarvon call me a pussy repeatedly because he was dumb enough to run blindly into the woods on Murovanka by himself & I didn't follow him in my T-150. I don't think he liked it when I said "LOL, I made money in this game. Did you?" Ended up getting more XP than he did, too.
It's just getting kind of old this morning placing in the top 1/3 of my Fail Teams in XP/game when I'm two tiers behind everybody else. It's not like I'm Wile E. Coyote, Super WoT Genius or anything, which just makes it even worse. I should probably just turn it off & do something else, but I need to grind out some more creds to put a Rammer on my E-75 & have a little Scratch left over in the bank...
:ccr
I've officially made it a personal policy as artillery to TK people who bitch about blaming the loss on artillery. I save a couple premium rounds just for that.
Christ, I've seen less whining in Battlefield: Childhood Rape Victim 3: Kindergarten Ops.
LOL, is 5,961 hp in damage good in a Tier VIII match?
:P
Holy shit, I think that beats the most damage I've ever done in any match.
Wish i would have grabbed a screenie, then. A 6-kill in my Jagdpanther II. I had been slumming with Seedy most of the afternoon, went outside to grab a smoke & he was fighting a battle waiting for me, so I hopped in & Lit It Up... :P
Oh you'll platoon with Seedy, i see how it is <_<
Quote from: katmai on March 05, 2013, 04:33:05 PM
Oh you'll platoon with Seedy, i see how it is <_<
He caught me in a moment of Weakness...
:P
Quote from: C.C.R. on March 05, 2013, 04:23:04 PM
Wish i would have grabbed a screenie, then. A 6-kill in my Jagdpanther II. I had been slumming with Seedy most of the afternoon, went outside to grab a smoke & he was fighting a battle waiting for me, so I hopped in & Lit It Up... :P
Do you have replays turned on?
I sent you a clan invite btw.
Quote from: Berkut on March 05, 2013, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on March 05, 2013, 04:23:04 PM
Wish i would have grabbed a screenie, then. A 6-kill in my Jagdpanther II. I had been slumming with Seedy most of the afternoon, went outside to grab a smoke & he was fighting a battle waiting for me, so I hopped in & Lit It Up... :P
Do you have replays turned on?
I sent you a clan invite btw.
Nope, I don't have them turned on.
And will have to think about the Clan Invite. I'm very flattered & quasi-interested, but with my fucked up work schedule & three insane females in the house I'm not really sure if I would be able to give it the Attention that it deserves. My attention span puts me at more of an Axis & Allies, Beer & Pretzels kind of guy as opposed to a WiF/WitP kind of guy, if the analogy makes any sense...
:ccr
Makes perfect sense.
However, probably not applicable here - the clan has no expectations of commitment or Attention.
It's mostly a handy way to get on Teamspeak and platoon up and run the occasional tank company. Now that there are quite a few languishites on board, it is pretty nice.
Quote from: Berkut on March 05, 2013, 05:47:29 PM
Makes perfect sense.
However, probably not applicable here - the clan has no expectations of commitment or Attention.
It's mostly a handy way to get on Teamspeak and platoon up and run the occasional tank company. Now that there are quite a few languishites on board, it is pretty nice.
Then fuck it, I'm in. Just accepted. The thought of Tank Companies alone makes me drool. I'm used to getting my ass handed to me, but the prospect of doing it with 14 other guys that at least give a shit & TRY to Do The Right Thing has the hook in me. Thank you...
:ccr
And my highest tank is a Tier IX, Berky -- I don't know if that gets you 3 points or if you have to take 2 points...
:P
Quote from: C.C.R. on March 05, 2013, 06:02:06 PM
Then fuck it, I'm in. Just accepted. The thought of Tank Companies alone makes me drool. I'm used to getting my ass handed to me, but the prospect of doing it with 14 other guys that at least give a shit & TRY to Do The Right Thing has the hook in me. Thank you...
Enjoy Mongo The Sped's treatises on tank destroyer tactics. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 05, 2013, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on March 05, 2013, 06:02:06 PM
Then fuck it, I'm in. Just accepted. The thought of Tank Companies alone makes me drool. I'm used to getting my ass handed to me, but the prospect of doing it with 14 other guys that at least give a shit & TRY to Do The Right Thing has the hook in me. Thank you...
Enjoy Mongo The Sped's treatises on tank destroyer tactics. :P
Too bad he hasn't been on in over a week...I *almost* miss that voice of his :yuk:
8.4 hits tomorrow, and the new UK TD line.
I hate this fucking game.
Quote from: katmai on March 06, 2013, 07:15:30 PM
8.4 hits tomorrow, and the new UK TD line.
I'm finding I enjoy playing tank destroyers most of all so I'm waiting eagerly for the UK TDs. :)
Quote from: katmai on March 06, 2013, 07:15:30 PM
8.4 hits tomorrow, and the new UK TD line.
Meh. I'm pissed because I wanted to squeeze in a couple of games before work this morning & the server is down... :glare:
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 06, 2013, 08:08:09 PM
I'm finding I enjoy playing tank destroyers most of all so I'm waiting eagerly for the UK TDs. :)
I prefer playing TDs, but getting one-shotted because heavy tanks with 4 times your hit points would rather hide than go kill shit does get to be annoying.
I think it's actually a feature in the game where you level up a heavy tank, it doesn't cost credits but instead your testicles. Buncha pussy faggots.
Looks like it's back online; I'm downloading a 838 MB update.
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 06, 2013, 08:08:09 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 06, 2013, 07:15:30 PM
8.4 hits tomorrow, and the new UK TD line.
I'm finding I enjoy playing tank destroyers most of all so I'm waiting eagerly for the UK TDs. :)
Same here. Big guns and relatively high rate of fire is fun.
lol, first round with the Tier II Brit TD, there were 15 of them. :lol:
Do the battle tutorial when you can; 5 minutes, you get 6K and 300xp.
300xp! Holy crap! What would I spend it all on?
That would put me only 299,700xp away from the T10 Soviet TD!
:pinch: Berkut's -10 pH sarcasm could cut through the upper front glacis plate of Maus.
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
300xp! Holy crap! What would I spend it all on?
That would put me only 299,700xp away from the T10 Soviet TD!
Douchebag. Don't be a garbon.
I really hate this game.
I'm waiting to see who will rage quit game first, you or hvc :P
Languishistas!
Half way through my JgPanther and wondering which you guys like better the JgPanther II or Ferdie for tier VIII TD
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 04:35:54 AM
Languishistas!
Half way through my JgPanther and wondering which you guys like better the JgPanther II or Ferdie for tier VIII TD
I never played the JPanther2, but the Ferdie could had really, really glorious matches at times. It has plenty of vulnerabilities, but when youare top tank-ish in relative safety of artillery, you are just this "BOOM, HEADSHOT! BOOM, HEADSHOT!" kind of guy.
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 12:32:19 AM
I'm waiting to see who will rage quit game first, you or hvc :P
Grinding Tier VI with 168 XP a game is no way to go through life, son.
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 12:32:19 AM
I'm waiting to see who will rage quit game first, you or hvc :P
I don't rage quit, i slowly lose interest in games and things lol
Anyone mess with the Pz I yet? I hear the machine gun is a hoot.
Haven't played it, but running into one while you're zoomed in is annoying as fuck all.
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 04:35:54 AM
Languishistas!
Half way through my JgPanther and wondering which you guys like better the JgPanther II or Ferdie for tier VIII TD
I researched the Ferd, but never bought it because I had the T28/T95 at the same time, and I figured one incredibly slow tank with incredible armor and a huge gun was enough.
I actually re-bought the JP and am researching the JP2 right now.
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 04:35:54 AM
Languishistas!
Half way through my JgPanther and wondering which you guys like better the JgPanther II or Ferdie for tier VIII TD
I personally prefer the Jagdpanther II for the mobility, but in chatting with people I seem to be in the minority. I also hated the Ferd because I didn't research the Tiger (P) first for the engines, so on the Ferd I had to grind out the suspension, the gun *AND* the engines, which was a horrific grind for me. By the time that I had everything Up To Speed I was just so sick of the fucking thing that I just didn't want to play it anymore. It probably also didn't help that the crew I had in the Ferd was my VK3001H/Panther crew*, so there was A Gap there, too.
By the time that I got to the Jagdpanther II, though, I already had the engine from the Tiger & the gun from the Ferd (which both mount on the JP II without buying the suspension first) and the crew I have in there had 1,200+ games in the Jagdpanther already & was pretty Buff, so my JP II was Good To Go pretty much right out of the box -- which is obviously a lot more fun...
:ccr
* I'm happy that I finally found a home for the VK3001H/Panther crew in my Tiger (P). Since I did things Bass Ackwards & did the Ferd first I was able to research the Tiger (P) suspension with free xp & immediately put the top engine & long 88 on it Out Of The Box, which hasn't hurt my stats with it any. I just this morning finished off the first round of Perks for this crew (which I had originally picked based on them crewing the Panther, which I ended up Eliting & ditching) & was able to start my "Heavy Tank" perk set. Or something. Sorry. Coffee is working this morning...
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 08, 2013, 07:00:37 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 12:32:19 AM
I'm waiting to see who will rage quit game first, you or hvc :P
Grinding Tier VI with 168 XP a game is no way to go through life, son.
LOL, wait until you're grinding a Tier VIII or Tier IX with 168 XP a game. At least your budget allows for you to use gold rounds. A non-upgraded E-75 is just a Tiger II with a higher repair bill...
:P
And OK, starting to "Get It" in my E-75 & do Useful Shit. Hod help me, with the thing not upgraded yet (at least beyond what I could port from the Tiger II) I actually prefer being in Tier X matches, so that the Pressure & the Attention is off of me, as opposed to matches where I'm the only Tier IX or one of two or three. Or something. The x2 crew XP thingy this weekend is probably helping a *LOT* with that. Obviously a 100% crew is going to help any tank, but it's been my personal experience that the LOLFeldgrauTard rigs seem to be particularly susceptible to shitty crews...
:ccr
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 08, 2013, 07:00:37 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 12:32:19 AM
I'm waiting to see who will rage quit game first, you or hvc :P
Grinding Tier VI with 168 XP a game is no way to go through life, son.
Don't be an HVC and charge around a corner where you know there are three enemy tanks and you should be okay :P
And thanks for input guys. I'm leaning towards the JgPanther II as well.
Picked up my IS-3 last night and found out there is limit to how many tanks you can sell in one day as decided to get rid of all my excess elite tier V & VI tanks
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 04:41:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 08, 2013, 07:00:37 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 12:32:19 AM
I'm waiting to see who will rage quit game first, you or hvc :P
Grinding Tier VI with 168 XP a game is no way to go through life, son.
Don't be an HVC and charge around a corner where you know there are three enemy tanks and you should be okay :P
Hey, they could have missed :D
I drowned my StuG crew in the lake on that Parks map. :hide:
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 12:32:19 AM
I'm waiting to see who will rage quit game first, you or hvc :P
I done that a long time ago.
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 08, 2013, 06:51:46 PM
I drowned my StuG crew in the lake on that Parks map. :hide:
I slipped into the lake in that train track map while following Kat. He was not pleased lol
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2013, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 08, 2013, 12:32:19 AM
I'm waiting to see who will rage quit game first, you or hvc :P
I done that a long time ago.
I'd try to make you come back, but then seedy and Kat would boot me off the platoon so you could join. That cannot be allowed to happen lol
No chance of that. I had my fill of retard euros playing that game.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 08, 2013, 07:09:51 PM
No chance of that. I had my fill of retard euros playing that game.
See come back and now face tons of Asiantards!
Quote from: HVC on March 08, 2013, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 08, 2013, 06:51:46 PM
I drowned my StuG crew in the lake on that Parks map. :hide:
I slipped into the lake in that train track map while following Kat. He was not pleased lol
Because we were leading a charge and all of a sudden I'm all by myself facing enemy with faster rof :P
brothers in arms kat, brothers in arms
I really hate the matchmaking feature the most.
I mean, 4 tier differences really make playing the game sorta useless. You can't tell me they can't queue up enough people to keep matches within two tiers' difference.
It should be a two tier spread unless:
you are in Arty or Light Tanks
you are in a platoon (which always takes the worst/highest MM in the platoon)
It used to be a wider spread, that was ugly. Back when Type 59s roamed the earth with impunity and playing tier 5-6 sucked because of it.
Somehow my Jagdpanther II did 11 critical hits to a Pershing in 2 shots. I'm not even sure how that math works... :P
hate this game so much. i don't know what people are thinking. For example in my last game, east side was cleared. What does my team do? go cap? no, they spread out and get taken out one by one.
I'm getting a complex. Both Kat and CdM show up, platoon, then leave lol
Only cause too slow and i have tanks to get dailies on!
Posting the xvm mod that just trying out to show HVC
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Sorry, had to take the Browns to the Super Bowl and do some other stuff. I'll be on after Walking Dead.
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i dislkie that i'm red lol. I'm assuming the riticle goes green when you're aiming at a spot that you can pen like the defualt one?
Other than the reticle, don't see much difference. So what's the big deal?
Mainly the mini map and i like how it logs my hits on who i hit and how much dmg. I'm ignoring the whole efficiency crap.
Oh, so that's where all the in game chatter about damage is from. ZOMG UR DMG SUKS ASS BLARGLE BLARGLE BLARGLE
yeah people are using xvm as base and people make different configs to show what they want to know.
Unless it has an overlay to highlight the ammo rack, engine and fuel tank for the target, I don't need it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 10, 2013, 07:43:01 PM
Sorry, had to take the Browns to the Super Bowl and do some other stuff. I'll be on after Walking Dead.
<_<
kat's a witch!
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2013, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 10, 2013, 07:43:01 PM
Sorry, had to take the Browns to the Super Bowl and do some other stuff. I'll be on after Walking Dead.
<_<
And Talking Dead. :P
The following people hate this game, in alphabetical order:
CdM
HVC
katmai
That is all.
:lol:
I don't hate the game. I hate the dumbass players.
I fail the arctic trials of Chief Nanook of the North. :mad:
No not you, the udder guys
The players are the game, therefore you hate the game :D
Arty is the most frustrating aspect of the game.
Nobody protects you, and you get blamed for the loss because you can't instapop Tier IX tanks with a Tier V gun. But when you're on the money, everybody's your fucking friend.
"NS ARTY!!!"
"Go fuck yourself."
:lol:
There is nothing you hate and fear more than arty in a JpzE100.
And for my T95, arty is really about the only thing you fear :D
Quote from: Tamas on March 12, 2013, 08:38:31 AM
:lol:
There is nothing you hate and fear more than arty in a JpzE100.
Quote from: Arvoreen on March 13, 2013, 09:45:27 AM
And for my T95, arty is really about the only thing you fear :D
Quote from: Tamas on March 12, 2013, 08:38:31 AM
:lol:
There is nothing you hate and fear more than arty in a JpzE100.
that is not exactly true for the JpzE100, as it has the traditional wet paper toughness of its lower front plate, which is of course by now public knowledge. You should see how the front of my tank looks like if I cannot hide it.
Quote from: Tamas on March 13, 2013, 10:13:59 AM
that is not exactly true for the JpzE100, as it has the traditional wet paper toughness of its lower front plate, which is of course by now public knowledge. You should see how the front of my tank looks like if I cannot hide it.
I got as far in that line as the Ferd and really have no desire to go any farther, as I pretty much anticiapate the Jagdtiger & the JpzE100 to be more of the same, just with bigger guns (with more expensive ammo) & higher repair bills. I'm pretty much sticking with the Jagdpanther II unless they come out with a JpzE50 and/or JpzE50M -- I'd sooooo rather be able to Move & maybe get jacked out a little quicker, maybe not, then be a quasi-mobile gun emplacement...
:ccr
CCR, if you want to play a high tier TDF with mobility, I would suggest taking up the Soviet line.
The SU-101 is exactly that.
I've decided that my WoT goals are:
1) Work every single TD line, except the US turreted ones.
2) Research and elite everything in the German tech tree.
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2013, 01:44:06 PM
1) Work every single TD line, except the US turreted ones.
Really? I can't do shit with the T-25 AT; even with the big gun, it folds like a paper cup and 2, maybe 3 shots and you're dead. I have much more success with the T-25/2, even though it doesn't have the AT's ubergun.
Yeah why no Turret love you, you fascist!
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2013, 01:44:06 PM
CCR, if you want to play a high tier TDF with mobility, I would suggest taking up the Soviet line.
The SU-101 is exactly that.
I've decided that my WoT goals are:
1) Work every single TD line, except the US turreted ones.
2) Research and elite everything in the German tech tree.
I got as far as researching the SU-100, then gave up the Sov lines for reasons that I can no longer remember. Which is kind of A Pisser, because I had a *LOT* of fun with those. That crew got transfered to my T-150 now, though, and I'd hate to rip 'em out (especially since I'm about to move on to a Tier VII Sov heavy), so I'd have to start fresh with a new crew. But, fuck it, I'm probably going to have a Garage Slot open up soon, so if I generate the Creds or if a Special comes up I might Go For It.
In other news, something else I wanted to ask your opinion on: I've got some Decisions coming up in terms of some purchases, and I was hoping you could please give me some advice on how these tanks play and/or how they fit into Tank Company/Clan War play:
KV-3: have it researched & could probably buy it NOW (or soon, within the next day or so). I can't put my finger on it, but for some reason I'm just not Feeling It with this one. But, would appreciate input if I'm wrong...
IS: have it researched & could probably buy it NOW (or soon, within the next day or so). Probably my Front Runner, not so much for the IS itself but rather for the IS-3 & beyond. They seem fun to play when I'm shooting at them, at least, so kind of leaning in that direction...
T-32: I'm about 3k more xp from eliting my T29, and am not so much interested in the T32 as much as Beyond. Fincances are such that I would probably have to sell my T29 in order to pull this off, though, which would be a tough give up...
VK4502A: kind of a real Dark Horse for me. I really don't have any interest in either this (that "medium" 105 was a turd on the Tiger II) or the Maus, but am kind of curious about how the VK4502P is. I've only seen a couple of them out there, so I don't really have much of a Frame Of Reference for how this thing performs. Only real Pisser here is that I have a *LOT* of fun playing the Tiger (P) (more so than the T29 even), and would have to give it up to go down this line & would hate to do it and end up regreting it...
Or something. Any advice here would be appreciated, preferably *BEFORE* I get drunk tonight & buy an IS, just to be told how big of a Dumbass I was to do it... :P
As I recently got my IS-3 and KV-4 I can say the KV-3 was easier to grinding than IS as at entry the IS gun was shit and top gun is nice but loooong Reload.
Man, the KV-3/IS/IS-3 was so long ago I don't really have a good frame of reference, except to remember that the IS-3 with the BL-9 is just freaking awesome.
The T-32 is an excellent tank - it does what is does very, very well. You find somewhere it can be hull down, and then laugh at people shooting at you. I don't even fire at the front turret on that thing in my Object 704. And the tank itself is nice and small for a heavy. Great tank all the way around.
The VK4502A is actually my next purchase on the German tech tree, but I sold the Tiger P a long time ago, so I have to pay full price, so I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Still finishing out some stuff I missed in the early tree, so no big hurry.
But I do remember really liking the T10 128mm gun on the E-75, so I imagine it will be pretty great on the 4502P as well.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 13, 2013, 05:10:14 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2013, 01:44:06 PM
1) Work every single TD line, except the US turreted ones.
Really? I can't do shit with the T-25 AT; even with the big gun, it folds like a paper cup and 2, maybe 3 shots and you're dead. I have much more success with the T-25/2, even though it doesn't have the AT's ubergun.
Holy crap, the T25 AT is by far the best TD in its tier, IMO.
It isn't a German TD though - you can't stand there and take shots with it.
But it has an awesome gun, and the mobility of a medium. It has no turret, but turns fast enough that it doesn't need one. It is a GREAT td.
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2013, 08:26:58 PM
It isn't a German TD though - you can't stand there and take shots with it.
That must be it. I have a habit of doing that a bit too much. :lol:
Yes, yes you do
JUST ONE MORE SHOT
DOH
I was meh on the T25 until I got the big gun. Then it was a blast.
Seedy has the big gun on it.
I'm only tempted to try that line for the 95
Yup, it's the only thing that reliably does any damage in your usual "what the fuck are Tier IXs doing here?" matches we see so much of.
I LOVED the T-25. It's basically a smaller Jagdpanther. You zoom around like a medium delivering some serious punch. Plus, while weak, the angled armor can be very useful at times.
Also, I have a T-32. I just had a game with it yesterday when not only I was hull down but also was left alone to stay like that for quite a while, with the 4 top tanks of the opposing team trying to damage me. Lulz.
But in general, I fail with that tank. I understand it's supposed to be a good all-around thing. You aren't THAT slow for a heavy, you are a small target for a heavy, you have good gun depression and a turret that is just insanely armored. But somehow I just can't really perform in it. I hate the gun. Nowadays I am not too good with heavies in general though. I am a TD and medium tanks guy.
Thanks for the input. :)
Probably going the IS route, with an eye on getting the IS-3 for tank companies...
Holy
Fuck.
So, I finished off researching the JagdPanther II, so I sold the JagdPanther (again).
Then I decided I would go ahead and grab the Hetzer (again) so I could finish eliting it, which apparently I never did originally for some reason - probably that stupid radio on it. So all I need is the radio (5400) and the tracks (1200).
We win our first match, so I get the x2 XP and research the tracks, which allows me the weight to mount the derp gun.
Next match, I load up the derp gun, grab a few gold rounds, and head out to play.
Victory!
Map: Westfield
Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:19:43 AM
Vehicle: Hetzer
Exp: 1,519 + Credits: 29,079
Achievements: : Dumitru's Medal, Top Gun, Invader, Sniper, Reaper, Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
10 shots fired, 9 hits, 9 kills.
That is new high kill total for me.
gold ammo :rolleyes: I hetzerd 9 kills without gold ammo. do THAT after me :P
Only good Hetzer is a dead Hetzer.
HEAT rounds are stupidly overpowered, as I said many times previously. If Hetzer has the same derp gun as Pz IV, then 9 kills is impressive, but not that incredible. I often get 6-7 in Pz IV, which is one tier higher.
Quote from: DGuller on March 14, 2013, 09:23:45 AM
HEAT rounds are stupidly overpowered, as I said many times previously.
No they're not.
Well, four of my kills were actually with just regular HE, since there was no reason to waste gold rounds on artillery...
Quote from: Berkut on March 14, 2013, 08:32:01 AM
Holy
Fuck.
So, I finished off researching the JagdPanther II, so I sold the JagdPanther (again).
Then I decided I would go ahead and grab the Hetzer (again) so I could finish eliting it, which apparently I never did originally for some reason - probably that stupid radio on it. So all I need is the radio (5400) and the tracks (1200).
We win our first match, so I get the x2 XP and research the tracks, which allows me the weight to mount the derp gun.
Next match, I load up the derp gun, grab a few gold rounds, and head out to play.
Victory!
Map: Westfield
Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:19:43 AM
Vehicle: Hetzer
Exp: 1,519 + Credits: 29,079
Achievements: : Dumitru's Medal, Top Gun, Invader, Sniper, Reaper, Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
10 shots fired, 9 hits, 9 kills.
That is new high kill total for me.
That is just freakin' insane... :P
Pfft I'll stick with my 9 kills in Easy 8 without using any premium ammo. :P
I got base defender as arty and people were still bitching about me not stopping the cap. I hate this fucking game.
Hahaha I am terrible with the Jagdpanzer IV :mad:
I miss my StuG
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 16, 2013, 09:31:20 PM
Hahaha I am terrible with the Jagdpanzer IV :mad:
I miss my StuG
once you get the second gun it gets better. but at tier 6 no more one shot kills.
PS i see you CdM :D
Quote from: HVC on March 16, 2013, 05:03:44 PM
I got base defender as arty and people were still bitching about me not stopping the cap. I hate this fucking game.
Life of arty. That's why, regardless of acclaim or criticism, I tell everybody to fuck themselves.
There was a guy in the other team bitching about arty. I killed him first. followed him around the map giving up other easy kills just to ruin hin game lol
HVC scared funk away!
lies!
PLJ deployed my air bags yesterday. Rat bastard.
Quote from: katmai on March 16, 2013, 11:43:31 PM
HVC scared funk away!
I was too drunk to go on. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 17, 2013, 06:37:50 AM
PLJ deployed my air bags yesterday. Rat bastard.
It was epic fun, although I thought I finished you off before impact. Was the ram what killed you?
i love my vk...although now that ive looked up the hellcat's stats I should have shot at you with he,; that wouldve been quite the brew up
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 16, 2013, 09:31:20 PM
Hahaha I am terrible with the Jagdpanzer IV :mad:
I miss my StuG
Elite it out, take the time to learn how to play it & really work on bumping up your crew's training/perks in it -- it'll really pay off for when you get to the Jagdpanther...
:ccr
Yo hoss, when is next day off :P
Quote from: katmai on March 20, 2013, 01:20:02 AM
Yo hoss, when is next day off :P
Was just off for two, on today & tomorrow (Wed & Thur), off Friday-Saturday-Sunday. I've got stuff going on Friday night & during the day Saturday, though, so probably won't be on all that much before Saturday night...
:ccr
Oh Seedy
IM ON IT
We ended up winning that match.
So what the fuck is up with a lot of teams just melting away instantly nowadays?
Yesterday, me and my two mates repeatedly remained the last survivors, fighting savagely against overwhelming odds, as our teammates just, IDK, disappeared.
Its infuriating when the 3 of you mount a great offensive, breaking through superior numbers via cooperation, just to see 7 enemy tanks capturing your flag when you are closing in on the enemy's, with nobody else from your team alive.
The other alternative, being on the winning team and see the match being over before you could land a kill is not much better either.
With HVC and Seedy as my platoon mates i rarely have the problem of them still being alive at end of matches.
Quote from: katmai on March 22, 2013, 04:14:51 PM
With HVC and Seedy as my platoon mates i rarely have the problem of them still being alive at end of matches.
:P
Quote from: katmai on March 22, 2013, 04:14:51 PM
With HVC and Seedy as my platoon mates i rarely have the problem of them still being alive at end of matches.
I get tired of med tanks thinking they're snipers, and pussy heavies always camping. If I have to spot as a TD and die fast, at least somebody's doing something.
Too many useless fucking people play this game. And the higher tiers they achieve, the more fucking useless they become.
and at least seedy says good bye when he rage quits the platoon :D
I've gotten pretty handy in the JgdPzIV now I think. I've had some good games, like the one I was just in. Three good, TD-tastic kills that I earned. Unfortunately my team lost 3-15 :bleeding:
Oh, and another game where four of us went down the right flank pass, two heavies and two TDs. One of the TDs, a KT, leads the charge and gets about halfway down the path and I'm following behind to give support. But what do the other heavy and TD do? Camp back way back at the entrance on our end of the map. The other heavy eventually grew a pair but he couldn't drive worth a shit because he rammed into me and then proceeded to drown in the river to our left. :bleeding: :bleeding:
Or, the game after that, where there were two TDs and a medium and an arty left on each side on Ruinberg encounter. The enemy team is capping and I'm driving into the city from the right flank with our medium nearby. I kill their medium and I get into a fight with another TD, but what does my dumbass medium do? He drives AWAY from the fight and to the enemy spawn to get an easy arty kill, leaving me alone to get flanked by the other TD. And of course their arty had already moved far away from their spawn zone so the medium just ended up getting killed. :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Quote from: HVC on March 22, 2013, 06:06:42 PM
and at least seedy says good bye when he rage quits the platoon :D
I didn't rage quit :huh:
still learning the light (turrets on a light sucks, but the elc amx is fast), but it's hilarious to run into a group and watch them all try to shot you. sure, you die, but they all forget about their other targets and get picked off lol. just tanks blowing up all around you.
Quote from: HVC on March 23, 2013, 10:59:57 PM
still learning the light (turrets on a light sucks, but the elc amx is fast), but it's hilarious to run into a group and watch them all try to shot you. sure, you die, but they all forget about their other targets and get picked off lol. just tanks blowing up all around you.
That's about all I'm good for in a Light - haven't really mastered what I'm supposed to be doing in them. Soooo many of my games are in TD's & Heavies...
:ccr
I stick around for first 1-2 mins to defend arty if have any on my team, and then by that time the opfor has left gaping hole in middle of map and i go hunting for other teams Arty.
If no arty i just try to go scout ahead of whatever part of team seems competent.
Which means most of time I'm just running around by myself.
going the russian light tree now. faster and start off with a damn turret. keeping the frenchy around to eventually get the batchat. mainly for the name lol
i'll try that kat. mostly just gone arty hunting off the bat, but i ran into a string of artyless games and used the ccr method of shit disturbing. even got someone to tk someone else as i ran around three medius. then i died. it was worth it :lol:
Great, HVC has become everything he hates.
All scouts must still die. only now i'm the one getting killed lol
Whelp, looks like the cooling fan for my video card got brewed. WE'RE ON FIRE BAIL OUT
I hate this fucking game.
I'm sorry, but when I read these posts about WoT, this is how I picture you lot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kep4XrCfcp8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kep4XrCfcp8)
(Basically, World of Tanks: the Anime. Which shows that the PzIVD has... problems... against a Churchill III. Not to mention that the japanese Type 89B is utterly worthless and the gunner of the Pz38 (t) can't hit the side of a barn. And whoddathunk that the tracks of that tank came off so easily...)
Pz IV with a short barrel knocking out Matlidas? Color me unconvinced. :yeahright:
Quote from: DGuller on March 24, 2013, 03:25:49 PM
Pz IV with a short barrel knocking out Matlidas? Color me unconvinced. :yeahright:
I was dubious when watching it myself, but I can't find any penetration data for such ridiculously short ranges.
[And goddammit, why do none of these basic websites tell you if the figure for armour penetrated is the actual thickness of the armour or the apparent thickness of the armour at the slope tested - I think it's the former
but I could be wrong.]
Quick research suggests -
Various sources say German guns were tested by firing at (surprisingly high quality) plate sloped at 30 degrees or 60 degrees depending on site, none of which immediately state whether this is to the horizontal or the vertical. Logically that would suggest that the 30 degree figure is to the horizontal and the 60 degree figure is to the vertical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.5_cm_KwK_37
The gun should penetrate 41mm of armour sloped at 30 degrees at 100m; given the Matilda's armour is vertical, that equates to, based on the Wikipedia page's formula*, to 82mm of penetration of vertical armour. The armour thickness of the Matilda's turret is 75mm according to Wikipedia - that of the Churchill 95mm (both figures for side armour, I believe.)
The anime shows the Matilda's turret penetrated but not the Churchill's, which is what the penetration tables suggest should happen.
I suspect "field performance" against the Matilda may have been worse - a lot worse; the shot should,
just, penetrate at 500m which battlefield experience shows is not the case.
Still, at 10m? Yes, I think the shot would penetrate.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armour
And for anyone who wants it, here is the mod in the WoT forums that lets you play as the anime characters' and tanks:
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/183240-girls-und-panzer-world-of-tanks-the-anime-mod-collection/ (http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/183240-girls-und-panzer-world-of-tanks-the-anime-mod-collection/)
And yes, at a very close range, the PzIVD can pierce (barely) the side armor of a Mathilda II tank. The anime is very anal about these things :)
LOL. This one elited my BT-7 out for me...
:ccr
BT-7 is a tough little bastard. A lot of fun.
Damn, Martim now has me watching tank anime. This one is good, though it drags on a little in the middle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA5IFJqjXiQ.
Hey, Hetzers, can you beat this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uc4yVxigxE
I started watching full English-subtitled episodes of Girls und Panzer. :Embarrass: That has got to be the most successful troll by Martim yet.
Take your Lettowism out of this thread.
Dissed by a man in a bunny suit. :Embarrass:
You know, artillery just isn't as much fun to play as it used to be...which is probably a good thing.
For somebody that's been reported and threatened to "enjoy ur ban" numerous time, I'm surprisingly free to play as much as I want. Go fig.
:lol: Account suspended for 24 hours.
Some assmonkey brought two Tier IIs platooned with him into a Tier VIII match, so I killed them both.
called it :P
Shocked! :o
I really hate that shit. I mean, not only are they trying to shortcut their way to XP, they're robbing the team of two slots that could really help. Those two Tier IIs deserved to die. Shame I couldn't get their Tier VII they platooned with in time.
Way I see it, I'm performing a public service. I don't see why anybody should complain.
They really need to fix that shit. So annoying.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 28, 2013, 09:55:54 PM
I really hate that shit. I mean, not only are they trying to shortcut their way to XP,
:huh:
Do you know how the game even scores xp?
Quote from: katmai on March 28, 2013, 10:04:14 PM
Do you know how the game even scores xp?
Do I strike you as the kind of player that would?
No, no you don't, which is why your reasoning to TK is silly.
Is it annoying to see lowbies in battle, sure but is rare enough to not get all pissy like you are and you are one ending up banned. :lol:
Meh, I got shows to catch up on anyway. I love my stories.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 28, 2013, 10:17:52 PM
Meh, I got shows to catch up on anyway. I love my stories.
You and your Chicago Fire :bleeding:
Shit's getting real.
And here i was all looking forward to platooning with Seedy, but NOOOOOOOO!
World of Morning Withdrawal. :mad:
I've bought gold. I should be immune. :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 29, 2013, 07:28:28 AM
World of Morning Withdrawal. :mad:
I've bought gold. I should be immune. :mad:
how's the withdrawl coming along? :D
Catching up on my stories.
there's some kind of shot the sheriff get 500 gold thing going on (no seedy, tk's don't count :D )
Oh, that thing.
That guy got pissed at me in a couple rounds, because I kept accusing him as an Asian gold scammer.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 29, 2013, 10:50:42 PM
Oh, that thing.
That guy got pissed at me in a couple rounds, because I kept accusing him as an Asian gold scammer.
:lol: first time i saw him i was wondering what the fuck the target meant. killed one of his body guards, but i kept bouncing off him.
I'm really getting fed up with the increasing frequency of these Tier I and Tier II prison bitches showing up in Tier VIII and IX matches because they're platooned with their faggot ass sugar daddies. It's really beginning to fuck up the balance, and it's happening more and more often.
Take a chill pill Francis.
Fuck you, Nanook. They cost teams wins.
I intentionally tk'd for the first time the other day.
It was malinovka; I'm on the east side and its a 6,7, 8 match with lots of arty
I am in a t29 and figure I'd better try for the hill or at least delay the vile reds from coming over the top uncontested
so I message my team "arty, please level the hill."
some asshat running a tier 5 french arty messages back "dont tell us what to do; mind your own business", so as im driving by i one shot him.
We go on to win the match
he spews forth a whole lot of "enjoy your ban noob"
anyhow a bunch of my team mates posted that it looked like an accident to them
So was this a dick move or otherwise inappropriate on my part?
I figure if I wouldnt let my associates talk to me this way, I ought not have to take it from french arty.
Dick move, not inappropriate.
I support your actions, dude.
thanks;
how much tk'ing did you do to get yourself banned because to the best of my knowledge ive suffered no consequences, but then again this is my first ever intentional tk;
You said please so you're good. If seedy was the arty he would have tked you :P
Quote from: HVC on April 01, 2013, 10:11:09 AM
You said please so you're good. If seedy was the arty he would have tked you :P
I really did say please; thats why the ass mon key pissed me off so much
Quote from: Rasputin on April 01, 2013, 10:10:22 AM
thanks;
how much tk'ing did you do to get yourself banned because to the best of my knowledge ive suffered no consequences, but then again this is my first ever intentional tk;
I whacked a Tier III that was platooned with a Tier VIII, and I had no choice but to whack his buddy when he came after me. So, two TKs in the same round seemed to be enough, what with all the complaints lodged and whatnot.
Other than that, I've never seen any action for a single TK in a game. We had a Tier I light Russian tank platooned with somebody yesterday in a round, and I kept ramming him with my T 25/2 until he had about 2% left, and he died trying to drive off a ridge. I LOL'd heartily.
HVC: I would've just tracked him. :P
Speaking as arty it's really annoying when people bitch at me for not killing the guy behind a house or randomly highlight a quadrant and tell me to hit the guy there when I have no spot.
Yeah, get that guy hiding behind the mountain, or you suck.
Or they bitch about the fact that you've got no kills; never mind that you dropped that heavy from 96% down to 13% so somebody else could soak up a free kill.
By the way, you guys are gonna love the little add-on they put in today; when somebody dies, a little angel with tracks floats to heaven.
Got into the planes beta. Now I get to shot planes.
Lulz, a little bit ago I lit Seedy's Churchill VII up with a shot from my KV-1S - three critical hits, set him on fire & did 610 hp in damage. And I think I made him burn a Fire Extinguisher...
:P
Fucker, I did burn up that fire extinguisher on that. But thanks for giving me the chance to win the Spartan badge with the kill immediately afterwards. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 01, 2013, 11:16:30 PM
Fucker, I did burn up that fire extinguisher on that. But thanks for giving me the chance to win the Spartan badge with the kill immediately afterwards. :P
:hug:
Logged on last night but none of you asses we're on so I tried out the planes version. Fun-ish but it'll get old a lot faster.
I was on. Logged off around 11ish, I think.
Finally got the derp gun for the T29. Now it's a bit more pleasant.
I logged in just after Seedy left.
This game is losing its allure.
Time to move on, I think.
Frankly surprised you lasted this long.
Seems like you're playing the same three maps all the time.
And I grow tired of the arty hate.
For a given period they weight the maps in the random rotation towards certain ones. So chances are you'll hit the same ones several times and others you'll hardly ever see.
Quote from: katmai on April 08, 2013, 02:40:00 PM
Frankly surprised you lasted this long.
It's not like any of you guys play anymore, either.
The only one I see online now is Berkut, and that's because he bots all day.
I am still playing, just been working last two weeks. Was on early sat morning, and not able to log in till after midnight your time.
Work? Fucker. Bah. Bah, I say!
I need to work every once in a while. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 09, 2013, 03:57:17 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 08, 2013, 02:40:00 PM
Frankly surprised you lasted this long.
It's not like any of you guys play anymore, either.
The only one I see online now is Berkut, and that's because he bots all day.
I'm studying for exam now, which entirely precludes playing WoT.
i still play a lot, but ive been recently succesful on the pussy front and needed to run the engine some; this took temporary priority over wot
at my age , a prolonged dry spell could lead to dry rot :contract:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 09, 2013, 03:57:17 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 08, 2013, 02:40:00 PM
Frankly surprised you lasted this long.
It's not like any of you guys play anymore, either.
The only one I see online now is Berkut, and that's because he bots all day.
Lick me, Pork Chop. I'm on all day when I'm off of work...
:P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 09, 2013, 03:57:17 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 08, 2013, 02:40:00 PM
Frankly surprised you lasted this long.
It's not like any of you guys play anymore, either.
The only one I see online now is Berkut, and that's because he bots all day.
School started again :( Add some fun work stuff and i have time for fun.
Good, that means it'll be playable to me again.
Quote from: DGuller on March 26, 2013, 08:04:55 PM
Damn, Martim now has me watching tank anime. This one is good, though it drags on a little in the middle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA5IFJqjXiQ.
DGuller, the anime did a special musical version of that opening scene for streaming (not included in the Blu-Ray/DVD versions). I believe you might appreciate it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dM2IIvs6m4
^^ Gotta love that japanese accent.
Quote from: CountdeMoney
Some assmonkey brought two Tier IIs platooned with him into a Tier VIII match, so I killed them both
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyeke2Hjxvg
Start this video at 1:36. I suppose this would be anime female CdM playing.
"What kind of f*****g n00b brings a Tier 2 to a Tier 8 match?"
"F*****g n00b teammates! Do I have to carry this team again?"
Other tank: "Captain, they are trying to TK us!"
I'm going to ban both you and Lettow for that bullshit.
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 11, 2013, 08:19:59 AM
DGuller, the anime did a special musical version of that opening scene for streaming (not included in the Blu-Ray/DVD versions). I believe you might appreciate it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dM2IIvs6m4
^^ Gotta love that japanese accent.
I did. :) How can you discern the accent, though? Do you speak Russian?
Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyeke2Hjxvg
Start this video at 1:36. I suppose this would be anime female CdM playing.
"What kind of f*****g n00b brings a Tier 2 to a Tier 8 match?"
"F*****g n00b teammates! Do I have to carry this team again?"
Other tank: "Captain, they are trying to TK us!"
:lmfao:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 11, 2013, 08:29:01 AM
I'm going to ban both you and Lettow for that bullshit.
:rolleyes: Ok, Sodoko.
WoT is Teh Stoopid & can lick my sack - resetting the server with a 1/2 hour left of the weekend special. I purposely didn't get on last night because I'm off today & tomorrow, so I redeemed the day of Free Premium first thing this morning so I could stack it with some x5's before it ended. Luckily I got in what I needed, but there were still a few others that I would have liked to squeak in Under The Gun...
Fuck it. I got my IS-3 & tricked it out (Rammer, GLD & Vents) this weekend, so I'll Make Do...
:ccr
I logged on long enough to get into my first Tier VIIIs, both the US TDs.
I remain thoroughly convinced WoT players get stupider the higher the tiers you go. Man, they need to change the name to Whiners of Tanks.
I got infuriated yesterday. Tried to grab the x5XP with my pals. There are only so many games I can stomach being the last 3 standing. Fuck it.
Quote from: Tamas on April 15, 2013, 06:58:40 AM
I got infuriated yesterday. Tried to grab the x5XP with my pals. There are only so many games I can stomach being the last 3 standing. Fuck it.
Campers :P
Quote from: HVC on April 15, 2013, 07:00:01 AM
Campers :P
I've noticed with increasing frequency in Tier IX and X matches how a team gives up almost 3/4s of the map, huddled in a corner around the flag, and then blame the arty.
Quote from: HVC on April 15, 2013, 07:00:01 AM
Quote from: Tamas on April 15, 2013, 06:58:40 AM
I got infuriated yesterday. Tried to grab the x5XP with my pals. There are only so many games I can stomach being the last 3 standing. Fuck it.
Campers :P
Yeah, except not.
I mean I do play snipers often, but my buddies don't.
I haven't played much lately. Have played a bit of the planes version. Zeroes are fun.
What is puzzling for me, is when I see one of the sides be totally decimated in a matter of a few minutes. Happens a lot these days. It is not even helpful when I am in the better team.
Quote from: C.C.R. on April 15, 2013, 06:15:53 AM
WoT is Teh Stoopid & can lick my sack - resetting the server with a 1/2 hour left of the weekend special. I purposely didn't get on last night because I'm off today & tomorrow, so I redeemed the day of Free Premium first thing this morning so I could stack it with some x5's before it ended. Luckily I got in what I needed, but there were still a few others that I would have liked to squeak in Under The Gun...
Fuck it. I got my IS-3 & tricked it out (Rammer, GLD & Vents) this weekend, so I'll Make Do...
:ccr
Pull that GLD off and insert a wet ammo rack. IS3's like to splode when his from the side.
Quote from: Stonewall on April 18, 2013, 08:36:19 PM
Pull that GLD off and insert a wet ammo rack. IS3's like to splode when his from the side.
Hmm. I definitely appreciate the tip, but this is info that would have been useful *LAST* weekend when equipment was 1/2 off...
:ccr
For those that haven't seen it, WoT is running a Change Your Password Event - in order to boost Security & shit, they're giving 300 gold for free just for changing your password:
http://worldoftanks.com/news/2240-change-your-password-event/
Quote from: HVC on April 15, 2013, 08:20:23 AM
I haven't played much lately. Have played a bit of the planes version. Zeroes are fun.
Try War Thunder (it's free as well) a lot better planes version.
neat statistics comparison site. With 8.4 info, but still:
http://tanknumbers.com/
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/228523-your-ultimate-guide-to-running-a-tier-8-premium-tank/
Good stuff
Quote from: Tamas on April 24, 2013, 01:48:50 PM
neat statistics comparison site. With 8.4 info, but still:
http://tanknumbers.com/
a friend of mine made this, so check it out! :mad:
Quote from: Strix on April 21, 2013, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: HVC on April 15, 2013, 08:20:23 AM
I haven't played much lately. Have played a bit of the planes version. Zeroes are fun.
Try War Thunder (it's free as well) a lot better planes version.
perhaps, but i'm really liking this game. no more damn building for people to hide behind lol
Kat, i friended you, come play. You too Seedy, you know you want to.
http://www.polygon.com/e3-2013/2013/6/10/4411736/world-of-tanks-xbox-360-edition
Expanding into the XBox 360 market...
Did everyone get bored of this game? Not a single post in 6 weeks.
I may give it a try when 8.6 comes out, but I probably won't stick around.
I still play regularly.
Quote from: DGuller on June 11, 2013, 11:32:49 AM
Did everyone get bored of this game? Not a single post in 6 weeks.
I got tired of it rather quickly. Right after I started, they started going overboard with the "freemium" BS. Making a game all but unplayable to free players pisses me off more than it makes me want to spend money on the game.
Wow, I dump War Thunder to come back to this and find out they nerfed arty to the point that mailing shells to their target would be quicker.
I still play daily as does lndhand and stonewall
I see the latest patch still hasn't improved the platooning issue. Gotta love a Tier VIII bringing along his two Tier II assbuddies to the team.
It's annoying but rare enough to not be an issue. Im at 3400 games and maybe I've seen it 10 times.
This is the most "Yup, I'm playing World of Tanks" video I've ever seen. :lmfao: :lmfao:
http://youtu.be/GH8HUlWSFoo
I still play and really enjoy the game. I am however closing in on getting all the tanks I want so it will be interesting to see if clan wars and raising crew skills can keep me as interested as I am now. Great game.
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 14, 2013, 03:12:51 PM
This is the most "Yup, I'm playing World of Tanks" video I've ever seen. :lmfao: :lmfao:
http://youtu.be/GH8HUlWSFoo
:lmfao: The literal jaw drop makes the video. Well, that and the driving skills.
Quote from: Lndhand on August 09, 2013, 05:49:19 PM
I still play and really enjoy the game. I am however closing in on getting all the tanks I want so it will be interesting to see if clan wars and raising crew skills can keep me as interested as I am now. Great game.
Yeah, I've been playing a lot more recently as well. Still TKing platoontards that bring their little retarded Tier II brother to the Tier VIII matches.
TD Wet Dream:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16125366/20130825_JT88%20Ace%20Tanker.wotreplay
31/45 for 5 kills, 6088 damage
Victory!
Map: Malinovka
Date: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:30:28 AM
Vehicle: 8,8 cm PaK 43 Jagdtiger
Exp: 4,452 (x2) + Credits: 150,487
Achievements: : Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"
I still get bitched at for not winning the game as arty.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 25, 2013, 10:05:18 AM
I still get bitched at for not winning the game as arty.
you're supposed to one shot kill people hiding behind cover!n00b.
Yes, I'm totally expected to bend the laws of geometry by dropping a shot over a crest on the down slope.
The German Tiger P arty is the absolutely worst grind ever; 55 second reload time, 15 kmh, and a turret aspect ratio of less than 5 degrees. I wish I never got it.
This is awesome and hilarious. Skip to the end for the chat fun.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16125366/20130827_0105_usa-T110E3_28_desert.wotreplay
I approve. :thumbsup:
I thought you might like that...
Quote from: Berkut on August 27, 2013, 12:30:19 AM
This is awesome and hilarious. Skip to the end for the chat fun.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16125366/20130827_0105_usa-T110E3_28_desert.wotreplay
:unsure: I just get a wall of code...
Meh, I always thought it kind of weenieish to let someone get top gun. If they get it, great, I wouldn't deliberately stop them. To hold up the match at the end just to let one player hunt down another, not real interested in doing that.
Quote from: frunk on August 27, 2013, 06:57:54 AM
Meh, I always thought it kind of weenieish to let someone get top gun. If they get it, great, I wouldn't deliberately stop them. To hold up the match at the end just to let one player hunt down another, not real interested in doing that.
I tend to agree. I generally won't do it either. But if everyone on the team wanted to, AND the other team player wanted to, I certainly would not object.
Still, it was kind of cool to see everyone cooperate to help someone out with the TG mission and all. Not something you see, well, ever. At least I have not.
I agree it's lame to gift someone a TG. But it's also lame to freeload when every other member of your team deliberately stood down. The second kind of lameness outweighs the first. Hopefully the guy didn't stay blue for too long.
The E3, btw, is pure awesomeness.
Holy crap, it's been a long time since anyone posted here. :o
Has anyone tried the historical battles on the test server? I found those to be very interesting. You actually have unequal engagements, where one side has the numbers and the mobility, and the other side has, well, a couple of Tigers of one kind or another. All the tanks have real guns that they used, so no more bullshit with Tiger II gun on Tiger Is, or that 100-foot pipe on Panther.
I log in once in a while, just to see that Berkut hasn't logged off since February 2013.
I have to say that WoT takes the price for the funniest April Fools joke.
I haven't checked yet today, but is Karl still there? :P
Quote from: Arvoreen on April 02, 2014, 09:23:34 AM
I haven't checked yet today, but is Karl still there? :P
Until April 4th.
They released an iOS version that I've been playing for a few days. Good so far.
Has anyone tried War Thunder Ground Forces, now that it's in open beta?
Quote from: DGuller on May 21, 2014, 11:32:08 AM
Has anyone tried War Thunder Ground Forces, now that it's in open beta?
Yes.
Quote from: DGuller on May 21, 2014, 11:32:08 AM
Has anyone tried War Thunder Ground Forces, now that it's in open beta?
I play it (since CBT actually) and like it a lot, though it is still in a rather early state with few maps and tanks available and bugs and glitches still being worked on. It is a very different kind of game than WoT, more about cautious maneuvering, ambushing and especially striking first, since any tank can be blown up with one good penetrating hit in a vital spot. I would advise playing 3-4 games in arcade mode, only to get familliar with the basics of the game, then switch to realistic or even simulator mode and never look back.
Realistic mode removes aiming assistance, so you have to manually adjust for shell drop and will not get any pointers on penetration probability. Tanks also handle a lot more like the real machines in this mode, while in arcade they accelerate (and skid) like mad. You also are limited to one vehicle (that may have 1 or 2 respawns if it is a light or medium tank or TD), while arcade mode offers garage battles similar to War Thunder Air.
Simulator mode is mostly identical to realistic mode, but the 3rd person view is taken away. You are limited to commanders view (from the turret cupola) or gunner view (for sniping). Detected enemy tanks will not get a red marker in this mode, so you will have to find and identify them by sight. Since the game does not have a spotting system like WOT (where tanks are mostly invisible unless certain parameters are fullfilled), you can actually see enemies that are miles away.
Sim battles give access to the Kursk map, which is a truly enormous battlefield of rolling hills and wide plains with limited cover and a lot of AI activity. The largest map in WoT is 1x1 km large, Kursk may be 5x5 km or more. It is basically the prototype for a new, more realistic kind of map, while the other existing WT maps are more in tune with what you know from WoT.
Balance is still a bit of an issue in War Thunder GF at this point. Russia seems to have an edge from tier 1 to early tier 2, while Germany dominates late tier 2 up to and including tier 4, thanks to guns with a great combination of flat shell trajectory, high verlocity and penetration at longer ranges (less need for ranging shots = higher first strike capability). Can't say anything about tier 5 yet.
The above is purely from the perspective of realistic and simulator battles. The aiming assistance in arcade battles grealty aids the slow firing but hard hitting soviet guns. But then again: Stay away from arcade battles!
You may also find this article interesting, written by someone more eloquent, to whom english isn't a second language ;):
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/war-thunder-ground-forces-mmo-game-preview.htm (http://www.armchairgeneral.com/war-thunder-ground-forces-mmo-game-preview.htm)
So not going to start playing this or planes again, but I am interested in world of warships. Anyone happen to stumble on a beta key anywhere by chance?
I bought into the Beta. It is a lot of fun, and visually outstanding...at least so far.
:blurgh:
Want it, considered buying into it.... but figure that it will have a lot more ships when I finally get access, and I won't be upset that I paid any money when they make it pay to win. RIP Navyfield.
I have been on and off of World of Tanks addiction the last year or so.
I am back to it at the moment with a serious flare-up resulting in me buying (for actual money :Embarrass: ) the premium Tier 7 Tank Destroyer E-25.
Spending real money immediately made me a better player. I mean, I can have bad games in it, and as I understand it is not nearly as OP as it used to be, but it is still ridiculously better than anything else available on the tech tree for this tier. It is almost as fast as a light tank, has excellent spotting and great camo, and a very accurate very fast reload gun that doesn't hit massively but still very good damage.
Last evening I had two 5-kill matches in rapid succession, which is fair to say not something I easily replicate with a standard tank. In one of those games I was actually pretty poor, spending all my ammo to achieve 4 kills, getting the 5th by ramming a damaged Tier 6 heavy to its doom. That suicide charge (which I ended up surviving for a while) was the first time I was spotted during the match.
It's just ridiculous. But fun.
Still on the PC or blitz on the phone?
Quote from: Threviel on January 14, 2022, 06:50:22 AM
Still on the PC or blitz on the phone?
PC master race here.
I installed WoT on my mac, but it seems to be called blitz but contains all my old tanks. Are they merging the games or is there any difference?
Quote from: Threviel on January 14, 2022, 04:08:28 PM
I installed WoT on my mac, but it seems to be called blitz but contains all my old tanks. Are they merging the games or is there any difference?
I would assume there are differences (Blitz is the mobile game) but I have no idea what those differences are.