QuoteAFC Wild Card Weekend
No. 6 Cincinnati Bengals
at No. 3 Houston Texans (-4.5)
Reliant Stadium, 4:30 p.m. ET, NBC
No. 5 Indianapolis Colts
at No. 4 Baltimore Ravens (-6.5)
M&T Bank Stadium, 1 p.m. ET, CBS
QuoteNFC Wild Card Weekend
No. 6 Minnesota Vikings
at No. 3 Green Bay Packers (-8)
Lambeau Field, 8 p.m. ET, NBC
No. 5 Seattle Seahawks (-3)
at No. 4 Washington Redskins
FedExField, 4:30 p.m. ET, FOX
I think the Texans can well withstand a Bengals team that has a losing road record and doesn't know how to win in the post-season. I think +4.5 is a little too generous for that kind of 'dog.
I would've liked to have seen the Ravens' starters play longer last week, and get back into the groove they were in against the Giants, but that could've been an outlier. The Colts are playing with passion, but who knows when their tank will run dry. I think -6.5 is a bit much for the Ravens, even in a home playoff game.
Vikes-Packers? Who the hell knows which team will show up, but I give the edge to the Packers; Lambeau Field in January.
Seattle should handle the Redskins if Washington can't get that running game going, but it could be the tightest game of the week.
Texas are on the downswing at the wrong time. They choke and the Bengals win.
Baltimore beats up on Indy, Luck's time has not yet come.
Peterson can't keep up the pace he has been of late, a single man can only carry a team so far. Pack wins.
Seattle's peaking at the right time, they manage to pull out a win a beat Washington.
I don't know about Houston. It's like they can't get it going again. They were supposed to have top seed locked up a while back, but they just kept missing those opportunities. They're a really good team on paper, but they just can't seem to get it going right now. And the defence is having trouble too. It used to be that if JJ Watt got doubled, guys like Conner Barwin and Antonio Smith were just feasting. Then again, the Texans can always turn it on again, but I get the feeling they would rather have played the Colts than the Bengals.
I have faith that Baltimore will beat the Colts. All those injured players coming back, it'll be a stronger team. The only thing I'm worried about is Freeney on Oher. Freeney is fast, and Oher struggles with speed rushes.
Vikes Packers goes to the home team. The reason why Minnesota must fail is that they are a dome team, and dome teams fail.
Seattle has Washington. RG3 hasn't matched up against a defence that athletic, and nobody has a secondary like that.
Quote from: Neil on January 02, 2013, 09:01:50 AM
They were supposed to have top seed locked up a while back, but they just kept missing those opportunities.
Sounds familiar.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2013, 09:05:14 AM
Quote from: Neil on January 02, 2013, 09:01:50 AM
They were supposed to have top seed locked up a while back, but they just kept missing those opportunities.
Sounds familiar.
Yeah, but they can't blame the injury bug.
I knew no good would ever come from moving Seattle to the NFC :glare:
I am cautiously optimistic about the Vikings. For all the talk about "dome teams" it is not as if the Packers practice on Lambeau field. It'll be cold for both teams, and the Vikings are on a 4 game winning streak...
Fucking tim and his taint. BAN HIM.
Hmmmm hearing reports Ray Ray is hanging it up after the Ravens' playoff run is over.
I'd like to see ray ray strangle Bradshaw on the FOX pre game show.
Well, it had to happen either this year or next.
I'll be rooting for teams that run pro offenses and against those that run zone reads or any other type of college offense.
Watching the Bengels offense feels like I am watching high school football.
I'm about half an hour behind you guys on my PVR, and I have to say that so far both defences have been lights out, but the Texans offence has stepped up to the challenge, whereas the Bengals are doing nothing but missing opportunities. For a Ravens fan, this is a familiar story and we know how it ends: Houston will be taking a trip to New England at this rate.
:hmm: Owen Daniels is hurt.
E: Nice run for the TD. It's really too bad about the right side of the line. They're....okay. Most of the time. It'd be better if just the whole line was going to the Pro Bowl because they were all kicking everyone's ass. I'd be okay with that. :P
Ponder is out for the Vikes.
Gotta say Foster is making Burger look pretty good right now.
Of course the D instantly shits the bed.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 05, 2013, 06:27:36 PM
Gotta say Foster is making Burger look pretty good right now.
He looks like he did most of the season, he's just getting more carries today (20 already). Tate hasn't been doing much at all so far, which is disappointing. Kinda nice to watch Tate smash into people after Foster runs around them.
E: Nice job to hold them to a FG attempt.
I really wish they would go for it more on 4th and 1. Also that whole redzone thing. Also penalties.
Gotta love these games that nobody wants to win.
Ah yes. Nice time for DPI there. They're "upset" with Demps, so they put Keo in? :blink:
Bengals did not look at all like a playoff team.
How weird to see back to back ads for Ahnuld's and Sly's new action movies.
Wtf was that. Don't throw into the endzone on 3rd in 4 down territory and throw the ball past the marker on 4th down.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 05, 2013, 07:30:46 PM
How weird to see back to back ads for Ahnuld's and Sly's new action movies.
No kidding; it was like a geriatric double feature.
Fucking tim and his tainting bullshit. I hope a flip ladyboy rolls him.
Quote from: sbr on January 05, 2013, 07:31:11 PM
Wtf was that. Don't throw into the endzone on 3rd in 4 down territory and throw the ball past the marker on 4th down.
The Red Ryder was overshooting all game, why stop then?
0 for 9 on 3rd down will kill you every time.
Nice win by the Texans. I think what impressed me most was the way that the Texans erased the Bengals pass rush. That said, the Bengals offence really shit the bed here. That second interception was really devastating, and you have to put that one on Green's lack of awareness, and Gresham might as well have not even dressed. Sure, the Texans D really played well, but I think that minus the miscues, the Bengals really had a great chance in this one and should feel sick about letting it slip away.
Now, Houston needs to get their shit ready, because it's up to them to make sure that evil is given the bum's rush out of the playoffs.
Yeah, I don't know what happened with Green on that route; it didn't look like gator arms on replay like I first thought, but I think he was honestly not expecting the ball.
No Christian Ponder, they better hope AP can run wild, because they're not going to be able to throw worth a damn with Webb running the option.
I think that his route was originally supposed to be deeper, and he just didn't read the blitz coming on the other side.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2013, 07:58:21 PM
No Christian Ponder, they better hope AP can run wild, because they're not going to be able to throw worth a damn with Webb running the option.
It's not like Ponder was really that good. Hell, the reason that AP is probably MVP is that he got his team to the playoffs in spite of Ponder.
As long as Webb doesn't throw 3 picks, he's not hurting their chances, which were slim anyways.
Well, this game is pretty ugly. Who's next on the Vikings' depth chart? Someone who can throw?
No shit. -2 yards passing the first half. I don't think I've seen a ball within 2 yards of a Viking receiver.
Quote from: Neil on January 05, 2013, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2013, 07:58:21 PM
No Christian Ponder, they better hope AP can run wild, because they're not going to be able to throw worth a damn with Webb running the option.
It's not like Ponder was really that good. Hell, the reason that AP is probably MVP is that he got his team to the playoffs in spite of Ponder.
He'd have more than -2 yards passing right now.
Yeah. I was like 'Ponder hasn't played that well, so I'm sure the backup can't be all that much worse'. I was wrong, so very wrong. Webb just keeps overthrowing guys by a mile or throwing it into the dirt five yards in front of them. Webb really shouldn't be playing quarterback in the NFL, if this is what he has to offer.
I saw Webb throw a sort of jump pass into the ground five yards in front of his target, left to go get some beers, and....I guess it hasn't gotten much better.....
Nope, and at least twice he's thrown fadeaway jumper airballs in the process of getting sacked; one of those is going to get run back. Poor kid's in over his head.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2013, 09:38:26 PM
Nope, and at least twice he's thrown fadeaway jumper airballs in the process of getting sacked; one of those is going to get run back. Poor kid's in over his head.
Yeah, I think he got tuned up pretty good after the second one. You could see him warming up to do it again just before the half, and then at the last second he stopped and just took the sack.
I'm sure the coaching staff reinforced the concept after the intentional grounding flag as well. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2013, 09:38:26 PMfadeaway jumper airballs in the process of getting sacked
:blink: I'm gonna go looking for gifs now.
LULZ GET TO THA KOONSCOPTER
Only if it's pulled over for no reason.
This game needs more Wendy's commercials with little hottie come-hither redheads that need to be punished with my Double Stack.
:lol: I like the calls Michaels is making on some of these passes by Webb. "Goes deep annnnnnnd, hmm"
My condolences to the Texans.
And man not looking forward to Niners having to play Packers.
Well those games kind of blew. At least Minnesota had that unbelievably bad back-up as an excuse, Cincy just had no punch at all. Not sure if that was Texans defensive brilliance or if the Bengals just ran out of steam.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2013, 12:46:24 AM
Well those games kind of blew. At least Minnesota had that unbelievably bad back-up as an excuse, Cincy just had no punch at all. Not sure if that was Texans defensive brilliance or if the Bengals just ran out of steam.
Man was Webb bad. :bleeding:
I haven't seen that kind of inept performance from a backup in a playoff game since the unfortunate Dinwoodie Grey Cup of aught seven. :(
Just saw this, pretty cool.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/27/jamaal-charles-gaining-ground-at-a-rate-unseen-in-nfl-history/
QuoteJamaal Charles gaining ground at a rate unseen in NFL history
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 27, 2012, 5:44 PM EST
Jamaal Charles AP
The Chiefs are completing a miserable season that may cost everyone in the front office and coaching staff their jobs, but there's one very valuable asset that whoever takes over the Chiefs next season will inherit: A running back who has blown away the NFL's all-time record for yards per carry.
When Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles logged his 750th career carry on Sunday, he earned a spot in the NFL record book that had been owned by Jim Brown for half a century. That's the spot atop the list of running backs with the highest career average yards per carry: In the official NFL record book, a running back needs 750 career carries to qualify for the yards-per-carry record, and Brown's career average of 5.22 yards per carry has been the gold standard since he retired in 1965.
But now Charles, with 770 carries for 4,483 yards in his career, has surpassed Brown by a huge margin: Charles' average of 5.82 yards per carry is something professional football has never seen before from a running back.
Brown's record has technically been broken, but only by a couple of quarterbacks: First Randall Cunningham retired with an average of 6.36 yards per carry, and then Michael Vick, whose current career average is 7.03 yards per carry, topped Cunningham. But if we look only at running backs, Charles is the best ever in yards per carry average by a huge margin.
In fact, Charles tops all other running backs in NFL history even if we expand the list a bit to include running backs who didn't have 750 career carries. Pro Football Hall of Famer Marion Motley, for instance, averaged 5.70 yards a carry in his career, an even better mark than Brown. Motley was always cited by the great Sports Illustrated writer Paul Zimmerman as the best football player he ever saw, but Motley got most of his carries playing for the Browns when they were part of the All-America Football Conference in the 1940s, and the NFL doesn't count stats from the AAFC toward its official records, so Motley has never been considered the record holder. Some football historians considered Motley the true yards-per-carry record holder even though the NFL record book gave the nod to Brown, but Charles has now surpassed even Motley's mark.
Bo Jackson also had a better career yards per carry average than Brown, but Jackson's career was cut short after just 515 carries. Jackson's average was an incredible 5.40 yards per carry — incredible, but not as good as Charles' career average.
A running back who averages five yards a carry for his career is doing something extraordinary. Five yards a carry is better than Walter Payton averaged, better than O.J. Simpson averaged, better than Eric Dickerson averaged, better than Emmitt Smith averaged. A 5.0 average is what Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers had in their careers, and it's currently Adrian Peterson's career average as well. Going above 5.0 is the most rarefied air a running back can reach. For Charles to close out his fifth NFL season while carrying a 5.8-yard career average is remarkable.
Jeez, Bruce Arians was rushed to the hospital this AM.
Man, Pollard is an enforcer out there.
Flacco's throwing too high still, and the lack of pressure's letting the Colts move the ball too much.
I will give the refs credit, though; Mike Carey and his crew are probably the best in the game.
Kruger is really coming on.
And Torrey Smith is having an unbelievable game. I think he's got one catch, but his downfield blocking has been ridiculous.
Boldin's had himself a game.
And that's all she wrote. Not a very impressive game from Neckbeard.
Tweet of the day so far by Scott van Pelt:
"Boldin is the toughest guy EVER to wear Capri pants."
:lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 06, 2013, 02:52:15 PM
I will give the refs credit, though; Mike Carey and his crew are probably the best in the game.
But then there was that call.
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2013, 04:04:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 06, 2013, 02:52:15 PM
I will give the refs credit, though; Mike Carey and his crew are probably the best in the game.
But then there was that call.
I'm just going to start watching more UEFA soccer. Contact rules are about the same.
Ravens win. Seedy will be willing to spot Ray Lewis another couple of murders if they can beat Denver.
I'd rather see OJ Brigance run over Peyton Manning in his wheelchair.
Normally I couldn't root for the Redskins but Seahawk fan is becoming insufferable and I want to see their tears.
Welp I missed pretty much this entire game. Caught the (nice) first down run with 1:30ish to ice it and that's it.
E: the Baltimore game, I mean. I'm going to miss a big chunk of the next one too. Blows.
Quote from: sbr on January 06, 2013, 04:22:31 PM
Normally I couldn't root for the Redskins but Seahawk fan is becoming insufferable and I want to see their tears.
I courteously disagree.
Awesome job of sending Ray out at home on top. Kruger might have just signed himself a big contract today.
I am 100% in the tank for Seattle here, and then again against Atlanta.
Hail to the Redskins! Hail to RG3!
nevermind
Ugh. This could get ugly.
Griffin has got to be more careful, especially with the running game going.
This game has become incredibly annoying.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 06, 2013, 05:29:20 PM
This game has become incredibly annoying.
We'll see. If Seattle gets a stop here, we might have a game.
And Steve 'Sir-Shanks-A-Lot' Hauschka seems to have injured his ankle. That's bad news.
Nice pick by Thomas.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 06, 2013, 05:29:20 PM
This game has become incredibly annoying.
Boy you got that right
Seattle's QB reminds me of the scientist from Terminator II.
Washington's offense doesn't look very scary without RGIII's left knee.
I'm loving the woofing and shoving. :thumbsup:
Russel Wilson lead blocking? Is there anything that guy can't do?
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2013, 06:14:47 PM
Russel Wilson lead blocking? Is there anything that guy can't do?
Win a Rose Bowl.
Quote from: sbr on January 06, 2013, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2013, 06:14:47 PM
Russel Wilson lead blocking? Is there anything that guy can't do?
Win a Rose Bowl.
Is that like a runner-up game for the Super Bowl?
Got to hand it to the Seahawks they have made the adjustments and are kicking the Skins ass. I am not sure how much longer the defense can keep doing these miraculous saves.
Well, after 4 chances, Seattle finally takes the lead.
They're going to wear RG3 to like a 3 year career.
That's it for Griffin, and thats game. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
or less. his leg just did a weird bend
The commentators mentioned how bad the field conditions were, and I think the field just helped cause that knee twist.
Quote from: HVC on January 06, 2013, 07:06:59 PM
They're going to wear RG3 to like a 3 year career.
Eh he just needs to learn how to play when he is banged up a bit, he needs to tone it down a notch. They were not putting him in harms way with the play calling much he just can not help himself. It was not like he ran around much when he was at Baylor. Anyway good season the Skins just ran into a better team this week.
Quote from: HVC on January 06, 2013, 07:06:59 PM
They're going to wear RG3 to like a 3 year career.
Hopefully he didn't blow his signing bonus on Ferraris and shit.
Redskins have some good looking fans.
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2013, 07:08:25 PM
That's it for Griffin, and thats game. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Yeah dude needs to adjust his game better when he is banged up. This is the NFL you are going to banged up alot.
I mean unless he wants to be like Michael Vick and miss multiple games every year. The Shanahans got alot to think about this offseason on how this offense is run I think.
Quote from: Liep on January 06, 2013, 07:09:56 PM
Redskins have some good looking fans.
That's what you do when the hero goes down...show the lamentations of the cute women.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2013, 07:09:25 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 06, 2013, 07:06:59 PM
They're going to wear RG3 to like a 3 year career.
Eh he just needs to learn how to play when he is banged up a bit, he needs to tone it down a notch. They were not putting him in harms way with the play calling much he just can not help himself. It was not like he ran around much when he was at Baylor. Anyway good season the Skins just ran into a better team this week.
That's a good point. There were up 14-0 when he fucked himself up on a sprint to the sideline, when a more experienced player throws it away (if he's injured). Then again, the whole running thing is such a part of his game that it's hard to say if he can beat teams with his arm at this level. Still, up by two scores and the way they were running the ball, it might have been better to ride Morris.
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 06, 2013, 07:09:21 PM
The commentators mentioned how bad the field conditions were, and I think the field just helped cause that knee twist.
Yup; and as much as I hate the Redskins, I applaud the fact they play on real grass, but that's the risk you run at the end of the season when it's all torn up; it's riskier for ankles and knees than the synthetic stuff.
You look at the shots from the blimp, the entire field is torn up between the hashes from one end to the other. That field is as bad as I've ever seen it.
In any case this really was a whipping the score should have been more like 42-14 if the Skins defense had not kept pulling rabbits out of their hat. I had a feeling going into this one that Seattle was the best team in the NFC...after seeing the Skins run over them in the first two drives they might not be but they were too much for Washington.
Still best year since 2005.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 06, 2013, 07:16:07 PM
Yup; and as much as I hate the Redskins, I applaud the fact they play on real grass, but that's the risk you run at the end of the season when it's all torn up; it's riskier for ankles and knees than the synthetic stuff.
That's really ironic, isn't it? Before they invented high tech synthetic fields vets used to beg to be traded to grass teams to save their bodies for another year or two.
It looks like RG3 has never had to learn how to be a pocket QB. Like that very last sack right before the fumbled snap and the knee twist: you have to be a mad man not to throw it out of bounds and not save the 14 yard sack.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2013, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 06, 2013, 07:16:07 PM
Yup; and as much as I hate the Redskins, I applaud the fact they play on real grass, but that's the risk you run at the end of the season when it's all torn up; it's riskier for ankles and knees than the synthetic stuff.
That's really ironic, isn't it? Before they invented high tech synthetic fields vets used to beg to be traded to grass teams to save their bodies for another year or two.
Yeah, but the synthetic stuff with the layered base they have now is light years ahead of that carpet that would explode knees. Remember the game when Wendell Davis blew out both knees at the same time on a post pattern at Veterans?
QuoteIt looks like RG3 has never had to learn how to be a pocket QB. Like that very last sack right before the fumbled snap and the knee twist: you have to be a mad man not to throw it out of bounds and not save the 14 yard sack.
Kid's got a bit to learn yet.
I feel bad for London Fletcher though. He played out of his mind today, and I have to wonder that if they had switched out QBs earlier if the Redskins might have been able to pull it out.
LOL. Richard Sherman almost got knocked out by a Redskins lineman after the game. He's a mouthy one, he is.
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
I feel bad for London Fletcher though.
Hey, he's got a ring already.
Somebody had interpersonal issues with Richard Sherman. Loved the wave; how Pete Carrollish.
True. Sometimes you forget that he was on the Greatest Show on Turf. It feels like he's been a Redskin forever.
Man, the Seahawks are going to punish the Falcons like they're redheads in a Wendy's commercial.
Quote from: Neil on January 06, 2013, 07:54:47 PM
Man, the Seahawks are going to punish the Falcons like they're redheads in a Wendy's commercial.
I can root for that. And how.
So here's how it all breaks down now.
QuoteSaturday
No. 4 Baltimore Ravens
at No. 1 Denver Broncos
Sports Authority Field at Mile High,
4:30 p.m. ET, CBS
No. 3 Green Bay Packers
at No. 2 San Francisco 49ers
Candlestick Park, 8 p.m. ET, FOX
Sunday
No. 5 Seattle Seahawks
at No. 1 Atlanta Falcons
Georgia Dome, 1 p.m. ET, FOX
No. 3 Houston Texans
at No. 2 New England Patriots
Gillette Stadium, 4:30 p.m. ET, CBS
Yikes. Could be an ugly weekend.
Prepare for Tim's taint to ooze all over everything.
Next weekend's games and teams are an obvious step up in quality. Those are all legit playoff teams playing, with the exception I'd say of Seattle.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2013, 08:10:39 PM
Next weekend's games and teams are an obvious step up in quality. Those are all legit playoff teams playing, with the exception I'd say of Seattle.
Oh you'll regret this when they lead by 10 in New Orleans in a couple of weeks.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 06, 2013, 08:12:21 PM
Oh you'll regret this when they lead by 10 in New Orleans in a couple of weeks.
You can't be serious.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2013, 08:20:47 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 06, 2013, 08:12:21 PM
Oh you'll regret this when they lead by 10 in New Orleans in a couple of weeks.
You can't be serious.
It's not impossible, although it is unlikely.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2013, 08:20:47 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 06, 2013, 08:12:21 PM
Oh you'll regret this when they lead by 10 in New Orleans in a couple of weeks.
You can't be serious.
While, as Neil says, it's unlikely the Football Gods have a weird sense of humor.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2013, 08:10:39 PM
Next weekend's games and teams are an obvious step up in quality. Those are all legit playoff teams playing, with the exception I'd say of Seattle.
Seahawks are gonna crush those choking Hawks.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2013, 03:27:18 AMSeahawks are gonna crush those choking Hawks.
The Atlanta Hawks play basketball.
Nobody can stop Dominique Wilkins, they can only hope to contain him.
God, I so want to punch Tim in the nuts right now.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 07, 2013, 08:07:54 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2013, 03:27:18 AMSeahawks are gonna crush those choking Hawks.
The Atlanta Hawks play basketball.
Well, I think we can trust the Seahawks to beat a basketball team, can't we?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 07, 2013, 08:07:54 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2013, 03:27:18 AMSeahawks are gonna crush those choking Hawks.
The Atlanta Hawks play basketball.
:pinch:
Falcons, Hawks, whatever, they're all birds of prey and the Seahawks are gonna beat their brains out.
Ravens and Texans win. Seahawks win. Pack-Niners is too close to call.
Washington sportswriters are ready to set Shanahan on fire for endangering The Franchise.
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 08:43:03 AM
Ravens and Texans win. Seahawks win. Pack-Niners is too close to call.
I dunno, the Ravens have a few more pieces on D they were missing last time, but it all comes down to how well the Ravens O performs early against that Denver D. Outlook not so good.
If the Texans continue to sleepwalk through things, it'll be a quick day for them.
Seattle's D better come out of the gate fast, or it's over for them by halftime as well.
Pack-Niners, who the hell knows. Team with the most points win.
3 of these games could all be over by halftime.
What I want:
Texans, broncos, packers, falcons
If I had to bet my money:
Patriots, broncos, niners, seachickens
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 08:44:20 AM
Washington sportswriters are ready to set Shanahan on fire for endangering The Franchise.
Rightfuckingfully.
And ffs, Shanahan junior is a bad O-Coordinator, get rid of them!
I either want a Harbowl or a Peyton Manning Superbowl.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2013, 08:10:39 PM
Next weekend's games and teams are an obvious step up in quality. Those are all legit playoff teams playing, with the exception I'd say of Seattle.
I still think Seattle will win the NFC, not as confident as I was before but they already crushed SF and Atlanta is not exactly a powerhouse. I guess if Green Bay gets them on the frozen tundra it may be a different story.
Listening to DC sports radio is pretty cathartic today, there is no joy in mudville.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 07, 2013, 08:15:23 AM
God, I so want to punch Tim in the nuts right now.
No shit.
And nothing like having your team lose in the first game to completely sour the playoffs (or any tournament for that matter). Could barely watch any of the other 3 games.
I'll probably be over it by next Saturday, though.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 07, 2013, 08:57:10 AM
And ffs, Shanahan junior is a bad O-Coordinator, get rid of them!
No he isn't. I mean he is not Bill Walsh or anything but he is not anywhere near bad. And firing coaches left and right is what got the Skins into their current problems. Shanahan is the only guy who can keep crazy Dan under control he needs to stay I don't care how many times he gets RG3 a career ending injury :P
In all seriousness I am all but but on a MRI vigil today heh. If RG3 cannot be back for next year I am fearful for what direction this thing may take.
Quote from: derspiess on January 07, 2013, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 07, 2013, 08:15:23 AM
God, I so want to punch Tim in the nuts right now.
No shit.
And nothing like having your team lose in the first game to completely sour the playoffs (or any tournament for that matter). Could barely watch any of the other 3 games.
I'll probably be over it by next Saturday, though.
Yeah, I was thinking that would be tough for you. It's always worse losing a game you know that the team would normally have won. Not that the Bengals would normally beat the Texans, but rather that the Texans came out a bit flat (as they have most of their games lately) and the Bengals just played down to it.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2013, 08:38:50 AM
Falcons, Hawks, whatever, they're all birds of prey and the Seahawks are gonna beat their brains out.
Timmy, kindly jump off the Seahawks bandwagon, will you? They already have to beat the Falcons in an early-start east coast game; they shouldn't have to beat The Taint too.
Unlike the Valmy taint, there is no proof of a Timmy taint in sports.
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 11:49:41 AM
Yeah, I was thinking that would be tough for you. It's always worse losing a game you know that the team would normally have won. Not that the Bengals would normally beat the Texans, but rather that the Texans came out a bit flat (as they have most of their games lately) and the Bengals just played down to it.
I was hoping for the Texans to continue their late-season trajectory-- which they sort of did except that they neutralized the Bengals' front four for the most part and were able to put a shit-ton of pressure on Dalton.
The Bengals lost the ability to pass-block around the mid-season mark and Dalton just isn't one of those elite QBs that can scramble around and pull a rabbit out of a hat in those situations.
No sense in dwelling on it-- Go Ravens :)
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 07, 2013, 12:05:58 PM
Unlike the Valmy taint, there is no proof of a Timmy taint in sports.
My taint only seems to have been effective on that one particular Euro :(
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2013, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 07, 2013, 12:05:58 PM
Unlike the Valmy taint, there is no proof of a Timmy taint in sports.
My taint only seems to have been effective on that one particular Euro :(
Tell that to RG3's right knee. :mad:
Gave some thought last night to Shanahan's decision to keep a gimpy RG3 in as long as he did.
If I were in his position, I would have said to myself, RG3 has gotten us to this point, he's earned the right to try and win with one leg. Plus it's not like you get much of an upgrade with Cousins.
The only decision I have a real issue with is that zone read option play they called early in the 2nd half (the one where RG3 waddled out of bounds grimacing the whole time).
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 12:41:34 PM
Tell that to RG3's right knee. :mad:
Hey I never bestowed my blessing on his knee :P
If I had just pronounced him a cripple for life after the Ravens game he probably would have recovered fully weeks ago :lol:
Quote from: derspiess on January 07, 2013, 12:09:43 PM
The Bengals lost the ability to pass-block around the mid-season mark and Dalton just isn't one of those elite QBs that can scramble around and pull a rabbit out of a hat in those situations.
No sense in dwelling on it-- Go Ravens :)
Sometimes I wonder if Marvin's stay has simply run its course, and a fresh approach would help with all that talent.
I mean, even successful Super Bowl winning coaches get tuned out after a while; and I think Marvin's settled into that good-coordinator-poor-coach nook.
10 years, a .500 record. 4 playoff seasons, all first game losses. Not a single post-season victory.
More successful coaches have been fired quicker.
Yeah but it is the Bengals. This feels like a great run to them.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 07, 2013, 12:47:15 PM
Gave some thought last night to Shanahan's decision to keep a gimpy RG3 in as long as he did.
If I were in his position, I would have said to myself, RG3 has gotten us to this point, he's earned the right to try and win with one leg. Plus it's not like you get much of an upgrade with Cousins.
The only decision I have a real issue with is that zone read option play they called early in the 2nd half (the one where RG3 waddled out of bounds grimacing the whole time).
It's tough for a coach. Normally when you ask your guy 'Are you ready to go', you can normally trust him to answer you. But when you're dealing with young talent, the coach has to be the voice of reason there. And it's not like Shanahan doesn't have a rep for just burning through his players like matches.
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 01:25:11 PM
And it's not like Shanahan doesn't have a rep for just burning through his players like matches.
Does he have that rep? That's not good.
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 01:25:11 PM
It's tough for a coach. Normally when you ask your guy 'Are you ready to go', you can normally trust him to answer you. But when you're dealing with young talent, the coach has to be the voice of reason there. And it's not like Shanahan doesn't have a rep for just burning through his players like matches.
Well I don't think RG3's readiness was any great mystery. I'm sure it was clear to Shanahan before kickoff that he was basically immobile. Or one tackle away from immobility.
Shanahan's non-answer in the sorta press conference makes me think they did not like the result of the MRI. Damn starting to think the worse here for RG3.
Hmmmm now reports saying RG3's MRI showed partial tears to the ligaments. I guess that might explain why they want a close examination before they understand the full severity of the injury.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 01:16:46 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Marvin's stay has simply run its course, and a fresh approach would help with all that talent.
Well first of all you know Mike Brown ain't about to be paying a guy for not working, so he's here through 2014 unless we have a complete meltdown in the next two seasons. As a fan if I had my druthers he'd stay for another year as head coach and then become the Bengals first official GM, where I think the team would continue to benefit from a lot of his strengths. Up until the halfway point of this season my wish for the next HC was Jay Gruden, but his stock went down a bit. If Zimmer left for an HC position somewhere else, I'd love to get Mark Duffner back here as DC and then finally give him his shot at HC.
All in all I'm generally content with him staying through his contract, even if it means enduring more of that first playoff round glass ceiling and questionable game management.
QuoteI mean, even successful Super Bowl winning coaches get tuned out after a while; and I think Marvin's settled into that good-coordinator-poor-coach nook.
He's at least an average coach. I know that's damning with faint praise, as it would be if I said he was the best we had since Wyche.
Quote10 years, a .500 record. 4 playoff seasons, all first game losses. Not a single post-season victory.
It hasn't been the glory days of the 80s. But at least it's not the 90s.
QuoteMore successful coaches have been fired quicker.
Yep. Lowered expectations FTW :D
Mark Duffner. :bleeding:
QuotePete Carroll differs with NFL on FedEx Field conditions
Sunday's wild-card game between the Washington Redskins and Seattle Seahawks took place on a noticeably beat-up surface at FedEx Field.
Many of the game's onlookers blamed the field for knee injuries suffered by Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III and Seahawks defensive end Chris Clemons. Clemons wore 3/4-inch cleats on the messy turf, leaving his agent, Donal Henderson, to rip the "crappy" conditions.
Seahawks coach Pete Carroll clearly was agitated with what his players encountered.
"It was horrible, it's a horrible field," Carroll told KIRO-AM in Seattle on Monday. "It was as bad as a field could get for being dry. And it's too bad. It's really too bad, and we deserve better. ... It was worn out. There was a lot of slipping and all that kind of stuff.
"And it was relative. It didn't change the game at all, in my opinion, because it was relative, both sides, but we should just expect to see a better field at that time of year."
Carroll went on to describe the ground as "real sheer, and there was just a kind of dirt on top of the grass, so it was just not good footing."
"It wasn't a perfect field," Redskins coach Mike Shanahan told reporters Monday. "We all know that."
NFL.com's Ian Rapoport heard from league spokesman Greg Aiello, who said Monday that neither team filed an official complaint over the playing conditions.
"It is the responsibility of the home team to maintain the field," Aiello said. "It's a grass field. It's winter. There were no complaints about it by either team. ... Injuries occur, unfortunately, on every field."
The Seahawks, as Aiello points out, have yet to file an official complaint, but one might not be far off.
Quote(While we're at it, take a look at this photo by NFL.com's Jeff Darlington, comparing Sunday's postgame surface at Baltimore's M&T Bank Stadium with the ground at FedEx.)
(https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/714412400.jpg?key=640364&Expires=1357600437&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=kKLmwTXibmTgImc5zNqYv9CiaTB9z0-EMlTAc5fcBn63zjJFZQye7TOT3-dWY2mxd6dwd7L4PtORqp1DaiO-5HqQJq84SVE46rGJZJWMsqMujbGE-V-goF9ixC-82t8rapyhkpHr6Gzulv5w83Uv~x2V3mPH2jZdhlNw5CrYCxw_)
Side-by-side photo of fields, 30 miles apart, both outdoors, after games on same day. Ravens (left), Redskins (right).
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2013, 05:37:34 PM
Hmmmm now reports saying RG3's MRI showed partial tears to the ligaments. I guess that might explain why they want a close examination before they understand the full severity of the injury.
I'll pray that those tears transfer over to Brady.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 07, 2013, 06:20:48 PM
I'll pray that those tears transfer over to Brady.
Reading the reports, he certainly has enough ligament tears to share.
Do I get to see the comparison pictures, or what?
So, Jerry Jones has promised change in Cowboy-land, and he delivered big change: The RB coach got fired. :lol:
Bummer, they're showing in my browser...
Anyway--
http://twitpic.com/btcc4w
Sergio Kindle got cut.
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 06:31:24 PM
So, Jerry Jones has promised change in Cowboy-land, and he delivered big change: The RB coach got fired. :lol:
lol, gotta love JJ. Best running back gets injured for the majority of the season? Fire the RB coach. ADVICE? WRITE TWO LETTERS
Quote from: derspiess on January 07, 2013, 07:11:04 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 05:51:39 PM
Mark Duffner. :bleeding:
Do not underestimate The Duff.
Whatever, man. Drove the Terps program deeper into the ground with his Chuck n' Duck bullshit. Scott Milanovich. :rolleyes:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 07:18:42 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 07, 2013, 07:11:04 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 05:51:39 PM
Mark Duffner. :bleeding:
Do not underestimate The Duff.
Whatever, man. Drove the Terps program deeper into the ground with his Chuck n' Duck bullshit. Scott Milanovich. :rolleyes:
He inherited a bad situation and was in the process of turning the program around when your bitch AD decided to fire him.
One day The Duff will return to Cincinnati and bring us victory. You'll see. YOU'LL ALL SEE.
Mark Duffner. Ahhhhyeah.
Even if they had filed a protest about the field conditions, it's not as if they'd have moved the game to RFK, right?
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 07, 2013, 08:46:00 PM
Even if they had filed a protest about the field conditions, it's not as if they'd have moved the game to RFK, right?
Heh by the end of the season that field was always a quagmire. Playoff games would be romps in the mud.
Total knee reconstruction (including acl) for rg3.
Quote from: sbr on January 09, 2013, 09:09:11 AM
Total knee reconstruction (including acl) for rg3.
Wait can they do that again? Color me skeptical but there have been lots of rumors about this.
Since they alread did that once when he was in college I question if this might not end his career.
Ok getting the full story it sounds like all the rumors were true. There are only partial tears not full tears but they are doing the full reconstructive surgery anyway since that is the best way to get full function back to the knee. They would not do a surgery like that for anybody but a pro athelete in these circumstances. Eh anything that is not career ending is probably good news at this point.
Wow they already did the surgery and it was a success it seems. That was fast.
I hope he sits next season and gets that thing repaired but watch Shanahan rush him back <_<
Who takes an entire season to rehab a new ACL these days?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 09, 2013, 12:45:02 PM
Who takes an entire season to rehab a new ACL these days?
Not Adrian Peterson that is for sure. But this is RG3's second go round and he took a full season for his first ACL surgery.
Quote from: Valmy on January 09, 2013, 12:21:30 PM
Wow they already did the surgery and it was a success it seems. That was fast.
I hope he sits next season and gets that thing repaired but watch Shanahan rush him back <_<
It's good to be rich :P
As for Shanny, maybe he could sign a prospect with a bad shoulder while RG3 recovers? Messing up a QB's knee is bad, but a shoulder? That's the one to go for!
Cousins will start while RG3 recovers. The only question is if sexy Rexy will be the backup or if they will bring in somebody new.
Shanny may manage to mess up Cousins before he gets back though :ph34r:
Quote from: Valmy on January 09, 2013, 12:49:22 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 09, 2013, 12:45:02 PM
Who takes an entire season to rehab a new ACL these days?
Not Adrian Peterson that is for sure. But this is RG3's second go round and he took a full season for his first ACL surgery.
And, as they said, it's full reconstruction.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 09, 2013, 12:59:31 PM
And, as they said, it's full reconstruction.
Yep. He should not be playing until 2014. I mean I am no doctor or anything but this dude is the franchise and that means thinking longterm here.
Also hey we may all remember this as the incident that led to Kirk Cousins seized the starting job.
20 months to rehab a knee reconstruction? What is this, the 70s?
It's being rebuilt from scratch.
Hell, Dr. Andrews will probably fix all the shit they did wrong in the previous surgeries at Baylor while he's in there.
Damn, Sally goes on the warpath even more than usual
QuoteRedskins invested in Robert Griffin III, then everyone put his future in jeopardy
By Sally Jenkins, Published: January 8
There is no confusion over Robert Griffin III's knee — and there never was. The Washington Redskins drafted a healthy, thrilling young player and by the time they got done using him up this season he lurched around like a pirate with a peg leg. Let's be clear: Griffin is not suffering from an old injury, or from just one injury, either. Anyone with eyes saw the kid hurt his knee three times in the past month, twice in the same playoff game, until a strained ligament turned into a torn one. Every decision maker in the organization, from the rock-headed coach to the renowned surgeon in the silly team pompom cap, is responsible for that.
Yeah, we get the cute distinction between "injured" and "hurt" that Coach Mike Shanahan keeps trying to make, and we understand the play-with-pain culture of the NFL. But here is the real distinction: Griffin started an NFC playoff game against the Seattle Seahawks already hurt and wound up so badly injured that he requires surgery on his torn lateral collateral ligament, and his future is compromised. The supposed confusion over how much Shanahan and orthopedic surgeon James Andrews consulted on the sideline, and over the extent of damage to Griffin's knee, is nothing more than rope-a-dope and rationalizing, feeble attempts to excuse the indefensible.
Griffin should never have been back on the field after halftime against the Seahawks last Sunday, and if the people in the organization weren't so starved for success, they would have made a better decision about that.
There is nothing subtle about the situation. Ample evidence shows Griffin shouldn't have been out there, more than enough to override the pleas of an impassioned rookie who wanted to play. Griffin's right knee has already been reconstructed once, in 2009 when he was at Baylor University. The Redskins spent three first-round draft picks to get Griffin in uniform, and he is the most expensive and valuable player they have had in 25 years. Do you think for a moment they didn't study MRI exams of that knee as if it were Sanskrit before giving up those draft choices for him? You think they don't know what his knee should look like?
Four weeks ago, when Griffin hurt his LCL against the Baltimore Ravens, the Redskins were overjoyed to announce that an MRI showed no structural damage at that time. He had just a "strained" ligament. There was no trouble reading that picture — it was totally clear to them.
You didn't need a grainy medical film to know that Griffin came back too soon from the LCL strain when he completed just 9 of 18 passes for 100 yards and no touchdowns against the Dallas Cowboys in the final game of the regular season. A deadly accurate 70 percent passer became a so-so 50 percent passer.
What a strain means is that the ligament is dangerously stretched, if not already partially torn. There was only one real question for Shanahan and Andrews from that point on: whether Griffin could continue to play without injuring himself further. The whole point of putting him in a cumbersome leg brace was to prevent an injury from turning into something worse.
"Probably doesn't have to wear it, but the doctors thought it would be best for him to wear it, to protect it, so we don't further injure the LCL," Shanahan said last week.
It was the one thing they were all supposed to be guarding against.
In the opening quarter against the Seahawks, it was plain that something went badly wrong with the knee. Griffin opened the game by completing 6 of 9 passes for 68 yards and two touchdowns. But he wrenched his knee on an incompletion just before he threw the second touchdown. He completed just 4 of 11 passes and ran just one keeper over the next three quarters, clearly laboring, until that hideous moment when he was so stiff-legged that he couldn't recover a fumbled snap and his leg slid out from under him at that awkward angle.
To repeat: Somehow the Redskins allowed their top draft choice, their best quarterback in a generation, to hurt his knee three times without adequately protecting their investment. The guess here is that Griffin will be lucky to be fully healthy in a year, and frankly, if he has fully torn the anterior cruciate ligament, there is some question as to whether that knee will ever be quite the same.
There is plenty of blame to spread for this state of affairs. What was Andrews doing on that sideline, other than wearing a team hat and providing political cover? Let's not overlook the role of those who let Kenny Chesney fans and assorted college teams trample FedEx Field into such execrable condition without properly repairing it. Then there is Griffin himself, who hasn't yet learned to play with discretion and to protect others' investment in him.
But the one who had more responsibility than anyone else was Shanahan. He wanted institutional control of the Redskins, prized a CEO-like role, and he got it. There is no taking the burden of this decision off him. It is no great pleasure to say this, because what Shanahan did with the Redskins this season was worthy of deep respect, right up until this week.
Shanahan may be too flinty and defensive to say it, but he made quite simply one of the worst decisions of his life as head coach, and it's hard to believe that behind closed doors, away from the second-guessing media, he isn't ramming his head into a wall over it. We can't know what his "gut" decision to let Griffin keep playing was based on, whether it was his own extreme disposition as a former quarterback who played hurt to the point that he ruptured his kidney, or whether he was simply too indulgent of Griffin, allowed his quarterback to spellbind him as he has the audience.
There isn't a coach on the planet who doesn't obsess over knees, who doesn't know exactly what stresses them, and who can't diagram a knee. They all understand how playing with an injury alters movement, and creates complications and potential chain reactions. It's hard to believe that Shanahan didn't understand exactly what was going on when Griffin's accuracy fell from 70 percent to 50 percent — that he couldn't plant properly on that knee. Above all, Shanahan should have understood whom he was dealing with: Griffin plays a dangerous brand of football with his legs, one that courts injury in the first place.
For a while, it looked like the RGIII-Shanahan partnership was so good, so electric, that they could overcome the Redskins' terrible recent past. Instead, all of the old organizational flaws seem present again: the half-truths and rationalizations for terrible decisions, and the habit of spending too heavily today and mortgaging tomorrow.
You'd think he was the only guy ever to play hurt. For such a small town, DC sure has a big footprint in sports media.
Looks like all the speculation was right, his brain was hammered into mush. :(
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-player-junior-seau-had-165415673--nfl.html
QuoteNFL star Junior Seau suffered from brain disease
By BARRY WILNER (AP Pro Football Writer) | The Associated Press – 1 hour 37 minutes ago
Junior Seau, one of the NFL's best and fiercest players for two decades, suffered from a degenerative brain disease often associated with repeated blows to the head when he committed suicide last May, the National Institutes of Health said in a study released Thursday.
The NIH, based in Bethesda, Md., said Seau's brain revealed abnormalities consistent with chronic traumatic encephalopathy or CTE. It said that the study included unidentified brains, one of which was Seau's, and that the findings on Seau were similar to autopsies of people ''with exposure to repetitive head injuries.''
Seau's family requested the analysis of his brain.
The star linebacker played for 20 NFL seasons with San Diego, Miami and New England before retiring in 2009. He died of a self-inflicted shotgun wound.
He joins a list of several dozen football players who were found to have CTE. Boston University's center for study of the disease reported last month that 34 former pro players and nine who played only college football suffered from CTE.
''I was not surprised after learning a little about CTE that he had it,'' Seau's 23-year-old son Tyler said. ''He did play so many years at that level. I was more just kind of angry I didn't do something more and have the awareness to help him more, and now it is too late.
''I don't think any of us were aware of the side effects that could be going on with head trauma until he passed away. We didn't know his behavior was from head trauma.''
That behavior, according to Tyler Seau and Junior's ex-wife Gina, included wild mood swings, irrationality, forgetfulness, insomnia and depression.
The NFL faces lawsuits by thousands of former players who say the league withheld information on the harmful effects concussions. According to an AP review of 175 lawsuits, 3,818 players have sued. At least 26 Hall of Famer members are among the players who have done so.
Seau is not the first former NFL player who killed himself, then was found to have CTE. Dave Duerson and Ray Easterling are the others.
''He emotionally detached himself and would kind of 'go away' for a little bit,'' Tyler Seau said. ''And then the depression and things like that. It started to progressively get worse.''
He hid it well in public, they said. But not when he was with family or close friends.
Dr. Russell Lonser, who oversaw the study, said Seau's brain was ''independently evaluated by multiple experts, in a blind fashion.''
''We had the opportunity to get multiple experts involved in a way they wouldn't be able to directly identify his tissue even if they knew he was one of the individuals studied,'' he said.
The National Football League, in an email to the AP, said: ''We appreciate the Seau family's cooperation with the National Institutes of Health. The finding underscores the recognized need for additional research to accelerate a fuller understanding of CTE.
''The NFL, both directly and in partnership with the NIH, Centers for Disease Control and other leading organizations, is committed to supporting a wide range of independent medical and scientific research that will both address CTE and promote the long-term health and safety of athletes at all levels.''
NFL teams have given a $30 million research grant to the NIH.
Before shooting himself, Duerson, a former Chicago Bears defensive back, left a note asking that his brain be studied for signs of trauma. His family filed a wrongful-death suit against the NFL, claiming the league didn't do enough to prevent or treat the concussions that severely damaged his brain.
Easterling played safety for the Falcons in the 1970s. After his career, he suffered from dementia, depression and insomnia, according to his wife, Mary Ann. He committed suicide last April.
Mary Ann Easterling is among the plaintiffs who have sued the NFL.
''It was important to us to get to the bottom of this, the truth,'' Gina Seau said, ''and now that it has been conclusively determined from every expert that he had obviously had it, CTE, we just hope it is taken more seriously.
''You can't deny it exists, and it is hard to deny there is a link between head trauma and CTE. There's such strong evidence correlating head trauma and collisions and CTE.''
Tyler Seau played football through high school and for two years in college. He says he has no symptoms of brain trauma.
Gina Seau's son Jake, now a high school junior, played football for two seasons but has switched to lacrosse and has been recruited to play at Duke.
''Lacrosse is really his sport and what he is passionate about,'' she said. ''He is a good football player and probably could continue. But especially now watching what his dad went through, he says, 'Why would I risk lacrosse for football?'
''I didn't have to have a discussion with him after we saw what Junior went through.''
Her 12-year-old son, Hunter, has shown no interest in playing football.
''That's fine with me,'' she said.
Fun fact: one of Haloti Ngata's sons is named Haloti Maximus Ngata.
You fucking NFL poachers, stay the fuck away from our CFL Coaches & GMs.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2013, 09:34:58 AM
You fucking NFL poachers, stay the fuck away from our CFL Coaches & GMs.
Hey now. It's wrong to want Trestman to stay in the CFL for no money and no glory.
Quote from: Neil on January 11, 2013, 09:40:17 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2013, 09:34:58 AM
You fucking NFL poachers, stay the fuck away from our CFL Coaches & GMs.
Hey now. It's wrong to want Trestman to stay in the CFL for no money and no glory.
No it's not. No one is expecting the NFL to come and poach the QBs , the GMs & Coachs are also off limits.
I love me the CFL, but anybody involved in professional football knows the CFL is small potatoes compared to the NFL. Good luck to Trestman is getting that US job.
Yeah is Canada ever going to get a NFL team? Or does the existance of the CFL pretty much make that impossible?
I just seems weird the NFL is the only major sports league without a Canadian team.
Quote from: Valmy on January 11, 2013, 10:13:50 AM
Yeah is Canada ever going to get a NFL team? Or does the existance of the CFL pretty much make that impossible?
I just seems weird the NFL is the only major sports league without a Canadian team.
Well the Buffalo Bills have been playing several home games in Toronto for a few years now. Turns out they're not doing all that well in ticket sales.
And remember that when you talk about "major sports leagues in Canada", you're really just talking about Toronto. The Grizzlies left Vancouver, and the Expos left Montreal. And even in Toronto the Raptors only do well because they're owned by MLSE and if you want to get Leafs season tickets you're forced to also buy Raptors season tickets.
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2013, 10:25:08 AM
And remember that when you talk about "major sports leagues in Canada", you're really just talking about Toronto. The Grizzlies left Vancouver, and the Expos left Montreal.
The Expos were doing pretty well until Baseball Strikes broke up both of their best teams. The fans just were not coming back anytime soon after that. Though I wonder if they had stayed if they might not be doing pretty well now, the exchange rate was killing them for awhile.
I do not know what happened with the Grizz but I bet it had something to do with them being horrible.
But I guess you are right in that the question is if Toronto would ever get an NFL team.
QuoteAnd even in Toronto the Raptors only do well because they're owned by MLSE and if you want to get Leafs season tickets you're forced to also buy Raptors season tickets.
Man as if having to watch the Leafs wasn't bad enough.
Whenever Wilson dies, Rogers is going to buy the Bills.
I like Flacco probably more than most Ravens fans do, but I couldn't help but lol...
QuoteJoe Flacco Already Preparing Apology To Ray Lewis For Disappointing End To Career
BALTIMORE—In preparation for the highly anticipated AFC playoff game with the Denver Broncos, Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco announced Thursday that he is already working on an apology that will express heartfelt regret for the ignoble ending to retiring linebacker Ray Lewis's career. "I've been plugging away on a couple of drafts this week, but I definitely want to focus on what a great teammate Ray has been and how bad I feel that he's going out like this," said Flacco, adding that Lewis "deserves better" than to force and recover a critical fourth-quarter Denver fumble only to watch helplessly from the sidelines as Flacco throws a pick-six interception on the following play, bringing the future Hall of Famer's 17-year NFL career to a discouraging close. "Once I've got it all worked out, I'm thinking I'll apologize before kickoff, because he definitely won't want to hear from me after all those muffed snaps." According to team sources, Flacco's apology to Lewis is just one of many being contemplated by the quarterback, who is reportedly working on separate offerings of remorse to teammates, coaches, and Ravens ownership for Saturday's loss, as well as to the city of Baltimore for the six-year contract extension he will receive this offseason.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2013, 09:46:58 AM
Quote from: Neil on January 11, 2013, 09:40:17 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2013, 09:34:58 AM
You fucking NFL poachers, stay the fuck away from our CFL Coaches & GMs.
Hey now. It's wrong to want Trestman to stay in the CFL for no money and no glory.
No it's not. No one is expecting the NFL to come and poach the QBs , the GMs & Coachs are also off limits.
They have on occasion in the past, but usually CFL QBs aren't good enough for the NFL. Still, there is always Moon, Theismann, Flutie and Garcia.
Lol the onion.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2013, 10:35:46 AM
Whenever Wilson dies, Rogers is going to buy the Bills.
A bunch of hopeless losers living in the past? Sounds perfect for Toronto, they'll go well with the Leafs.
The CFL doesn't really stop the NFL from moving to Toronto. The fact that Toronto doesn't really care about sports that aren't hockey is more of a problem. The Argos have gotten along for years, but they haven't really bred the fanaticism that you can find further west. The Raptors are saved by the fact that most of their season tickets are sold to people who don't give a fuck about basketball (normal people) and are just doing it for the Leafs tickets. The Blue Jays have a huge market of old people and Caribbeans in the city, who are the only people who can stomach a baseball game, so that's good. That, and the Jays are also notorious as the team that ended baseball as a meaningful sport when Joe Carter hit that home run in '93. I understand that there's a soccer team, but in this globalized world why would anyone want to watch a North American soccer game?
If the Bills move to Toronto, they have to win a Superbowl quickly, or else they'll fade into the sports miasma that surrounds that stinky town.
Quote from: derspiess on January 11, 2013, 10:53:14 AM
I like Flacco probably more than most Ravens fans do, but I couldn't help but lol...
:lol:
Edmonton is wacko for Flacco. I'm not sure if I should wear my old-style #5 or my new #27 for tomorrow. Maybe if I wear his jersey, Ray Rice will hear about it and be encouraged not to fumble?
Quote from: Neil on January 11, 2013, 01:00:46 PM
Edmonton is wacko for Flacco. I'm not sure if I should wear my old-style #5 or my new #27 for tomorrow. Maybe if I wear his jersey, Ray Rice will hear about it and be encouraged not to fumble?
You could be extra cool and wear Flacco's college jersey :cool:
Buh Bye Ratbirds.
And the Ravens are done with 12:14 left in the 1st quarter.
Not starting well for the Ravens.
Quote from: Kleves on January 12, 2013, 04:41:12 PM
And the Ravens are done with 12:14 left in the 1st quarter.
:lol: I at least wanted the game to last to halftime while I make my cheeseburgers.
I think I only saw three Ravens on the television screen on that coverage team, and one was the punter. :wacko:
Hey look it's Jacoby Jones.
Haha nice PI, shithead.
Like that TD pass right there.
Quote from: Kleves on January 12, 2013, 04:41:12 PM
And the Ravens are done with 12:14 left in the 1st quarter.
I might have been a
bit hasty... :hmm:
Now we have a football game.
Maybe. Peyton just walked onto the field for the first time.
He can come back out in a couple minutes and try again.
Don't want contact, Dierdorf? Throw it better.
:unsure:
Buh Bye Broncos!
That's a helluva brace Ray has there.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 12, 2013, 04:57:47 PM
That's a helluva brace Ray has there.
I read a couple weeks ago they were considering a strap brace similar to what Peter Boulware used years ago when he had shoulder problems, when he played with one arm and the other strapped down to his side, but Ray didn't like it and wanted this one.
Go Ravens.
God I hate the Broncos.
LOL, Mount Cody with the Ranger choke hold.
I am reminded why I couldn't stand Broncos fans when I lived in Denver. I actually didn't mind the team at all, but goddamn the fans were whiny.
E: thinking about it, they're about as whiny as Texans fans are pessimistic. Seems about right.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2013, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 12, 2013, 04:57:47 PM
That's a helluva brace Ray has there.
I read a couple weeks ago they were considering a strap brace similar to what Peter Boulware used years ago when he had shoulder problems, when he played with one arm and the other strapped down to his side, but Ray didn't like it and wanted this one.
Oh yeah I remember that.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 12, 2013, 05:04:56 PM
I am reminded why I couldn't stand Broncos fans when I lived in Denver. I actually didn't mind the team at all, but goddamn the fans were whiny.
I liked Denver fans a lot more when they had losing seasons.
:unsure:
Buh Bye Bravens!
I'd complain about the lack of pass rush on Manning, but it's Manning. He's too fast for it anyway.
It's like what Jerry Glanville used to say about Dan Marino: either you rush 7, or drop 7. There's no in between.
Quote from: PDH on January 12, 2013, 05:08:39 PM
I liked Denver fans a lot more when they had losing seasons.
I was up there right at the end of Elway's career and the beginning/ end of Brian Griese's. Ugh.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 12, 2013, 05:12:46 PM
of Brian Griese's.
Or, as my Dad once asked, "The guy from Miami?"
Not a regular football watcher.
Oh fer 3rd down, will kill you every time.
Damn. I just realized the place we're going to eat doesn't have any TVs in the dining area. Or at all, I don't think.
Somebody needs to take the 15 yards to wipe the smirk off Eric Decker's face.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 12, 2013, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: PDH on January 12, 2013, 05:08:39 PM
I liked Denver fans a lot more when they had losing seasons.
I was up there right at the end of Elway's career and the beginning/ end of Brian Griese's. Ugh.
I've been here off and on for 30 years. The only good things were all the Superbowl losses.
QuoteFormer San Diego Chargers coach Norv Turner is set to become the Cleveland Browns' offensive coordinator, according to a report by the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Champ Bailey's inexplicable lapses are the difference in the game so far.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 12, 2013, 06:28:25 PM
Champ Bailey's The Ravens' incompetent special team's inexplicable lapses are the difference in the game so far.
Ravens might as well go for every fourth down given that if they kick it there's a 50/50 chance of a Denver touchdown. Dudes 5'5 for gods sake.
Buh Bye Ravens, See ya later Ray.
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2013, 06:34:34 PM
Buh Bye Ravens, See ya later Ray.
this is like your 5th prediction shift :lol:
Gonna be a looong 2nd half.
At least I've got tons of laundry to do to keep me busy. One of the shelter's dryers went down.
You folding and watching tv? Wtf are you? A housewife? Man up!
Defense is gassed, offense can't run or convert a 3rd down, Mannning can't be stopped with his timed routes when his special teams isn't running back TDs.
It's just a slippery slope thing in the 2nd half, s'all.
Nice to see Tom Brady's not even on the field, and he's already fucking up the game.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2013, 07:02:42 PM
Nice to see Tom Brady's not even on the field, and he's already fucking up the game.
O'really?
Go back in your hole before I ban you until after the Super Bowl.
Poor ray Lewis.
Fun while it lasted.
Most epic special teams fail evah.
If Ray Lewis had asked for trade this season would Baltimore have forgiven him?
So you're saying there's a chance?
Hail Mary indeed
:o
:moon: @ Denver.
Woah!
Holy fucking defibrillators.
Now watch em miss the 7th point lol
26 fucked that up in every possible way
it's called extra point you fucking porto canuck.
Boise State would've gone for two. STATUTE OF LIBERTYNESS
Incredibly bad defense. :bleeding:
The kind of defense a guy on the take would play.
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2013, 08:02:55 PM
it's called extra point you fucking porto canuck.
I was having a brain fart and was fighting against the clock :D
If the ravens win, I want ray ray to use that plasma cannon on his arm on Tom Brady.
It's actually a Nintendo Power Glove.
He's playing with power.
Well, the officials are doing everything they can to get Ray-Ray to the Superbowl!
I don't wanna hear CdM whine about calls for at least a couple years...
Fucking Colin. :bleeding:
Quote from: Strix on January 12, 2013, 08:23:12 PM
Well, the officials are doing everything they can to get Ray-Ray to the Superbowl!
I don't wanna hear CdM whine about calls for at least a couple years...
Don't know what you're talking about.
:nelson: Peyton you choking dog!
:bleeding:
How many times now have they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory?
I am a Texas Longhorn fan this evening. HOOK EM HORNS
Nicely done, Ravens. :cool:
Hook em.
Someone have seedy number? afraid he might have keeled over of heart attack or stroked out
Congrats to the ravens. The broncos defense was worse then the ravens special teams play.
Also who was that crying?
What a game.
Time to cripple Tom Brady.
I expect that every man will do his duty.
Ray Ray is an emotional fellow.
It's good! Manning the petulant is defeated!
That Ravens at the Texans Championship Game is gonna be a barn burner.
After last year the Ravens were all like 'ok we need a guy who can make big kicks when games are on the line'
And then they saw this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UFJ3XNg3Uc
:punk:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2013, 08:47:28 PM
I am a Texas Longhorn fan this evening. HOOK EM HORNS
And I am a Ravens fan :hug:
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2013, 08:48:36 PM
Someone have seedy number? afraid he might have keeled over of heart attack or stroked out
No, I'm good.
I don't have a defibrillator; besides, the cat doesn't have opposable thumbs, and probably wouldn't get up off the chair anyway.
Nice game Ravens! Grats Seedy. Hey, train your cat, in case another nail biter of a game like this happens again this season!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2013, 05:49:06 PM
Somebody needs to take the 15 yards to wipe the smirk off Eric Decker's face.
This is so much better.
Ray Lewis's career just won't die, unlike those two guys he helped murder.
This should be good.
/pops popcorn
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 12, 2013, 09:21:21 PM
Ray Lewis's career just won't die, unlike those two guys he helped murder.
^_^
The Packers-49ers game is less enjoyable; I hate both these teams. I guess I will just root for injuries.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 12, 2013, 09:21:21 PM
Ray Lewis's career just won't die, unlike those two guys he helped murder.
:yawn: Berkut did it better.
What ever happened to Tim anyway?
So was it just me, or was this one of the best games of football ever played?
Quote from: Kleves on January 12, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 12, 2013, 09:21:21 PM
Ray Lewis's career just won't die, unlike those two guys he helped murder.
^_^
I especially liked when he quoted Isiah 54:17 - "No weapon forged against you will prevail"
Too bad his victims weren't so blessed.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 12, 2013, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: Kleves on January 12, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 12, 2013, 09:21:21 PM
Ray Lewis's career just won't die, unlike those two guys he helped murder.
^_^
I especially liked when he quoted Isiah 54:17 - "No weapon forged against you will prevail"
Too bad his victims weren't so blessed.
Are you trying to annoy me in this hour of victory? Maybe you should die?
Tim is trash talking for next week's game before his team has even advanced.
The sports commentators in my local free paper were unanimous - all four of them - the Broncos were going to beat the Ravens. One of them had some outlandish 20+ point differential as well.
Glad to see they were wrong :)
Damn, Pumpernickel really has some fucking turboboost. Totally dusted Woodson on his TD run.
Quote from: Neil on January 12, 2013, 09:30:35 PM
So was it just me, or was this one of the best games of football ever played?
I distinctly remember the Chargers-Dolphins '81 playoff game, where they carried Kellen Winslow off the field. Montana to Clark, killing the Cowboys as a franchise for a decade. Bernie setting records against the New York Sack Exchange in double overtime in '86 and, of course, the week later and the year later. I can even vaguely remember my Mom in tears after the Ghost To The Post in '76.
This one is up there as one of the greatest playoff games of all time, if only for the sheer drama.
And Woody Paige's tears of pain are delicious:
QuoteThe cold, hard fact is the Broncos lost everything Saturday.
And they blew it.
They lost the overtime coin toss. They lost a cinch victory with 31 seconds left in the fourth quarter by blowing coverage. They lost the game on an intercepted pass late in the fifth quarter. They lost the playoff game early in the sixth quarter on a 47-yard field goal.
They lost their chance at a ninth AFC championship game. They lost the opportunity for the franchise to win a third Super Bowl. Peyton Manning lost the prospect of playing a Super Bowl in his hometown of New Orleans and winning a second NFL championship.
The Broncos lost the lead four times. They lost two interceptions and a fumble, all Manning turnovers. They lost a dozen arguments with the officials. They lost a rare home playoff game.
The Broncos lost everything from the regular season in one historic postseason game. In a frozen conundrum on a Dr. Zhivago kind of day, in the chilliest and longest playoff game in Denver history, Ravens 38, Broncos 35.
Rather than Holliday, Hillman and the Hallelujah High Way, it was to Hades in a Handbasket.
http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_22363612/woody-paige-john-fox-brings-broncos-their-knees
At least the Niners decided to stop letting them hang around long enough, and let Copernicus put this away.
:w00t: Suck it Alci!
Almost 600 yards of Offense.
The Niners were ridiculous tonight. You sure they're not in the PAC 10?
Harbowl is still alive. Glad to see that Kaepernick remembered that Vernon Davis exists.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2013, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 12, 2013, 09:30:35 PM
So was it just me, or was this one of the best games of football ever played?
I distinctly remember the Chargers-Dolphins '81 playoff game, where they carried Kellen Winslow off the field. Montana to Clark, killing the Cowboys as a franchise for a decade. Bernie setting records against the New York Sack Exchange in double overtime in '86 and, of course, the week later and the year later. I can even vaguely remember my Mom in tears after the Ghost To The Post in '76.
This one is up there as one of the greatest playoff games of all time, if only for the sheer drama.
Yeah, I didn't start following the NFL until around 2002, but this is right at the top of my list. Both teams just played their hearts out, and played with courage and heart for the win. Hopefully Houston will win tomorrow to give Baltimore a worthy opponent rather than cheating, heartless cowards.
As much as I like seeing Crabtree getting into the gameplan, they need to get Vernon involved more.
Quote from: katmai on January 13, 2013, 12:41:49 AM
As much as I like seeing Crabtree getting into the gameplan, they need to get Vernon involved more.
Yeah, but at least they continue to work Crabtree into the middle of the field.
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Denver media is already calling it one of the greatest playoff chokes of all time, and this play as the worst play in Denver Bronco history. There have been bigger chokes, *ahem, Warren*, but I agree with the latter.
Shame Art Modell wasn't around to see it; he'd have been proud to see a playoff win in Denver for a change.
I still don't believe that play happened, it was like he was so certain that they'd win he didn't really bother.
QuoteMark Kiszla: Rahim Moore "taking the blame" for his epic blunder
By Mark Kiszla The Denver Post The Denver Post
Loser won't be the worst name Broncos safety Rahim Moore will be called after committing the biggest orange-and-blue blunder in team history.
"I'm taking the blame for it. Hey, I lost the game for us. It is what it is," Moore said Saturday evening, his voice cracking after Denver was eliminated from the NFL playoffs with a shocking 38-35 double-overtime loss to Baltimore.
In a Denver locker room where grown men fought back tears and quarterback Peyton Manning's storybook finish was shattered before the final chapter could begin, Broncos coach John Fox had to find some way to say goodbye. Trouble is, mere words never speak louder than the scoreboard.
So Fox stood before his disconsolate players and sent a direct, tough love message straight from the heart: "Don't let this defeat define you."
Since the Broncos first pulled on uniforms in 1960, nobody has ever made a worse error than Moore. In an instant, what appeared to be a safe 35-28 Denver lead and a date with destiny turned into nightmare that will make coaches, players and fans afraid to close their eyes from now until the Super Bowl.
But this also must be stressed: In the history of this proud franchise, no player has ever stood taller as a man than Moore, as he took full responsibility for the mistake.
"There's never an 'I' in win. But there's an 'I' in lose," Moore said. "Because when you lose, you've got to look at yourself."
Moore is doomed to be buried under 5,280 feet of pain, after stumbling under a desperation, 70-yard touchdown pass by Baltimore quarterback Joe Flacco to Jacoby Jones during the final minute of regulation. This defeat was more bitter than the 10 degrees showing on the thermometer when Moore turned a prevent defense into a slow-motion nightmare that allowed the Ravens to tie the game with 31 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter.
This loss will leave a scar as deep and ugly as the time Jacksonville shocked quarterback John Elway and his Denver teammates so badly with a 30-27 upset in January 1997 that you could hear old Mile High Stadium groan.
"This loss was worse," insisted Broncos alum Alfred Williams, a defensive lineman on the Denver team upset by the Jaguars 16 years ago.
As Flacco threw a prayer high and deep into the 10-degree air, Williams sat wearing a throwback Karl Mecklenburg jersey in the same stadium with 76,732 spectators and felt his stomach drop as Moore futilely leapt at the pass with the same hopelessly lost look as a Little League outfielder watching a ball sail over his head.
"I think I got a little too happy," said Moore, admitting he was going for the interception that would've made him a hero, rather than playing sound defensive technique. "I misjudged it, man."
It was an unforgivable mistake by anybody paid good money to play safety in the NFL. It will cause too many sleepless nights to count. It might have cost the 36-year-old Manning his last, best chance at another Super Bowl ring. It was a party balloon Moore popped.
"You had this game won," Williams said. "You work on that play Baltimore scored a touchdown 100 times in practice. This was embarrassing."
There will be 1,000 fingers pointed in defeat.
The officials made so many head-shaking bad calls that S, M and H keys were broken throughout the Broncos Twitterverse. Fox's play calling at the end of regulation was so painfully conservative that you wondered if he was afraid to win. Manning threw a mindless interception that set up the 47-yard, game-winning field goal by Baltimore kicker Justin Tucker.
But only Moore will be in the crosshairs of blame. Goat will not be the worst four-letter word he is called.
"The worst thing about it is," Moore said, staring directly in my eyes, "is we're going home. We're going home off a play I could've made, and I play I'm here to make. Coach Fox and the staff and everybody's around me to make that play. And I didn't make it."
After winning 11 games to close the regular season, after earning the No. 1 seed in the AFC, it all came crashing down with a single blunder.
I had to know. Does Moore knock the pass down nine times out of 10? And what percentage of the time does he at least make a tackle that prevents a touchdown and preserves a seven-point Denver lead? Ninety-nine times out of 100?
"Yeah, that's what I do. I was blessed with those skills. And I didn't use what I was blessed with today, man," Moore said. "At the end of the day, it was a great season. I'm sorry it ended this way. But, next year, it won't."
The hardest part for Moore? It will take at least 365 days to make good on that promise.
Not looking good for Griffin. Looks like Shanahan's destroyed the first sign of hope in Washington in 20 years.
http://m.nbcsports.com/content/pft-concern-growing-over-rg3s-knee-injury
QuoteYes, they had to invade his healthy knee for a patellar tendon graft.
Wow. Didn't know that.
He'll have his first artificial knee before he's 35, because his career will be over long before that.
It isn't Shanahan, it is the Curse of Snyder. Everything he touches turns to shit.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2013, 07:53:58 AM
Not looking good for Griffin. Looks like Shanahan's destroyed the first sign of hope in Washington in 20 years.
http://m.nbcsports.com/content/pft-concern-growing-over-rg3s-knee-injury
Shanahan? Wasn't it Haloti Ngata who laid the hit?
I hope for his sake that Ryan's plan isn't to try and pick on Richard Sherman. He's got a big mouth, but he's one of the best in football.
Seattle seems to be starting a bit slow.
Legion of Boom just got blown the fuck up.
Ballsy, but I am not sure that was too smart....
Well, fuck. :bleeding:
:nelson:
:pinch: brain fart
Gay Fox is going to owe me a billion quatloos.
Snore. Atlanta is a better team than many gave them credit for.
Man, everything that can go wrong for the Seahawks has. Unless they can break Ryan, this is going to be a long afternoon.
Suck it Seahawks!! :nelson:
Quote from: derspiess on January 13, 2013, 02:37:57 PM
Snore. Atlanta is a better team than many gave them credit for.
Their lines are really dominating.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 13, 2013, 02:34:24 PM
:pinch: brain fart
Gay Fox is going to owe me a billion quatloos.
I sure am. I'm also pretty sure that there's a Timmy taint in Sports now.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2013, 03:12:22 PM
I'm also pretty sure that there's a Timmy taint in Sports now.
You should have seen what he did to Sage Rosenfels. You would have been a believer years ago. "OMG THE TEXANS ARE BEATING THE COLTS DOWN!" Two minutes later, the Rosencopter flies into the stadium.
E: Atlanta might be melting down though.
Shit just got real.
The Seahawks are dangerous when they get charged up...they just have trouble turning that on before it starts feeling like it might be too late. :P
Any reference to the Rosencopter still makes me laugh.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2013, 03:30:51 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2013, 03:12:22 PM
I'm also pretty sure that there's a Timmy taint in Sports now.
You should have seen what he did to Sage Rosenfels. You would have been a believer years ago. "OMG THE TEXANS ARE BEATING THE COLTS DOWN!" Two minutes later, the Rosencopter flies into the stadium.
E: Atlanta might be melting down though.
Man, I remember that.
Go Wilson!
The Falcons punter seems like he sucks.
Haha fumble recovery for a game winning TD?
What a weird touchdown lol
Oh meh it looks like it was across before the fumble. Lame. They should give the TD to big dude who picked it up.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2013, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2013, 03:30:51 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2013, 03:12:22 PM
I'm also pretty sure that there's a Timmy taint in Sports now.
You should have seen what he did to Sage Rosenfels. You would have been a believer years ago. "OMG THE TEXANS ARE BEATING THE COLTS DOWN!" Two minutes later, the Rosencopter flies into the stadium.
E: Atlanta might be melting down though.
Man, I remember that.
Go Wilson!
http://rosencopter.ytmnd.com/
Wow. Baltimore-Denver was the greatest game I can remember. Green Bay-San Francisco was entertaining, even if it was a bit of a blowout in the second half. And now this incredible comeback? Divisional weekend rules.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2013, 04:02:59 PM
Oh meh it looks like it was across before the fumble. Lame. They should give the TD to big dude who picked it up.
apparently there's a weird two minute mark fumble rule so if it wasa fumble then it wouldn't be a touchdown. Unless I misunderstood the commentary.
Quote from: HVC on January 13, 2013, 04:04:45 PM
apparently there's a weird two minute mark fumble rule so if it wasa fumble then it wouldn't be a touchdown. Unless I misunderstood the commentary.
Holy roller rule. The big guy should still get it. :mad:
I agree. Asterix!
Never thought I'd hear the phrase "Seattle Seahawks: Team of Destiny"
Well there went that come back
I can't decide if I want to see a gigantic shank or a made FG now. :hmm:
E: Oh damn did he just get the shank out of his system after the timeout?
E2: Yeah, I guess he did. Hm.
Still 8 seconds left! Do something cool, Seattle.
LOL @ icing the kicker.
That's what you get for icing you ass. Icing should be an unsportsmanlike penalty. You can do it, but they get closer to the goal line.
GOd I hate Pete Carroll. He calls timeout then whined about it when the kicker misses.
Who called short kick? What the hell is going on in his game?
Hahaha worst squib ever? This game is really entertaining.
:lmfao: this game.
Fucking Icing BS.
:(
what the fuck Atlanta.
Asshole Carroll gets what he deserves. Fuck him.
Second half was entertaining if now weird.
Quote from: HVC on January 13, 2013, 04:10:54 PM
That's what you get for icing you ass. Icing should be an unsportsmanlike penalty. You can do it, but they get closer to the goal line.
That's stupid. If you can't handle the pressure, don't play with the big boys.
Now if Tom Brady can get injured it'll be a good weekend.
What great game again. Im getting worn out this weekend.
Hopefully we now have a nice and quiet ass-kicking of the Patriots.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 13, 2013, 04:15:01 PM
That's stupid. If you can't handle the pressure, don't play with the big boys.
There's probably more pressure without the timeout and practice kick.
I feel confident for Niners on road vs this Atlanta team.
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK. If Carroll had just taken the points on FGs in the first half... Or the defense could defend a goddamn pass or get any pressure on Ryan... or not ice the kicker. FUCK.
*sigh* Well, go Atlanta.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2013, 04:02:59 PM
Oh meh it looks like it was across before the fumble. Lame. They should give the TD to big dude who picked it up.
You know, if Lynch hadn't actually been in on that play, the Seahawks probably win the game. They scored too soon. :(
Anyone who ices the kicker deserves to lose.
Still, San Francisco must be happy. Seattle would be a really tough matchup for them, whereas Atlanta is very vulnerable. They're going to the Superbowl.
Seems weird that this is the first playoff W for Tony Gonzalez until you consider he played for the Chiefs and Falcons.
Quote from: Neil on January 13, 2013, 04:21:15 PM
Anyone who ices the kicker deserves to lose.
And they got what they deserved.
C'mon Texans!
A nice returned ruined by a shitty drop and then a shitty throw.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2013, 04:24:32 PM
Seems weird that this is the first playoff W for Tony Gonzalez until you consider he played for the Chiefs and Falcons.
Yeah. He's the Don Mattingly of football.
But a nice stop by the D, which is what we really needed to see.
It would be really nice if Cushing was back. Brady James is playing hard and all, but the Cushing loss really set them back.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2013, 07:53:58 AM
Not looking good for Griffin. Looks like Shanahan's destroyed the first sign of hope in Washington in 20 years.
http://m.nbcsports.com/content/pft-concern-growing-over-rg3s-knee-injury
That is not exactly new information but I appreciate your cheering this situation on. Try not to pop any champaign when his career ends.
Wow. Barwin totally sucked on that one.
:huh: Wait what was that for? Pointing at the official?
E: Oh there it is.
Now the O needs to pull their heads out. They've been shitty for like 6 weeks now. Stop it.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2013, 05:31:35 PM
Now the O needs to pull their heads out. They've been shitty for like 6 weeks now. Stop it.
You know who would really help stretch the field for some big plays? Jacoby Jones. :P
Quote from: Neil on January 13, 2013, 05:33:49 PM
You know who would really help stretch the field for some big plays? Jacoby Jones. :P
:lol:
But naw, they picked up two dudes kinda like Jones in the later rounds/free agency the last couple years. Posey there and a guy named Lestar Jean.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 13, 2013, 05:33:49 PM
You know who would really help stretch the field for some big plays? Jacoby Jones. :P
:lol:
But naw, they picked up two dudes kinda like Jones in the later rounds/free agency the last couple years. Posey there and a guy named Lestar Jean.
Yeah, right after I said that Posey made a downfield play with his speed.
Still, Schaub needs to stop sucking. He's not giving his receivers a chance to make a play. On that 3rd down play, that five-yard pass turns into a first down, but only if he doesn't throw it behind the receiver.
Quote from: Neil on January 13, 2013, 05:43:13 PM
Yeah, right after I said that Posey made a downfield play with his speed.
Still, Schaub needs to stop sucking. He's not giving his receivers a chance to make a play. On that 3rd down play, that five-yard pass turns into a first down, but only if he doesn't throw it behind the receiver.
He's been throwing it off his back foot like that a lot recently. I get that he's about to get hit, but that's sort of a new thing that he does, or at least it seems like it.
Wow way to stop on that play, Jackson. "Oh, I'm supposed to tackle?"
Texans slide continues.
I had no idea Manning was this good at kickoff returns.
Neither did the Patriots.
Uh oh. They're in the red zone. Field goal time wooo! :rolleyes:
E: I'll say, it is a fresh, exciting spin on the run game vs. the Patriots to run where the huge fatass NT isn't causing a big pile of bodies.
Hmm...he might not have made that.
Okay cool.
Now maybe the D won't give up things like 50 yard completions and 30 yard runs. Maybe.
Holy shit, Graham. Nice kick!
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2013, 06:09:08 PM
Holy shit, Graham. Nice kick!
Yep! Nice way to end the half!
Hopefully that little surge gets the Texans over whatever evil spell has been on them for awhile.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/13/3179926/dan-le-batard-jason-taylors-pain.html
QuoteDan Le Batard: Jason Taylor's pain shows NFL's world of hurt
BY DAN LE BATARD
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As America's most popular sport encounters a liability problem ... as gladiator Junior Seau kills himself with a shotgun blast to the chest and leaves his damaged brain to study ... as awareness and penalties increase around an NFL commissioner confronting the oxymoronic task of making a violent game safe ... and as the rules change but the culture really doesn't ... we think we know this forever-growing monster we are cheering on Sundays. But we don't. We have no earthly idea.
Dolphins legend Jason Taylor, for example, grew up right before our eyes, from a skinny Akron kid to a future Hall of Famer, his very public path out in front of those lights for 15 years. But take a look at what was happening in the dark. He was just a few blessed hours from having his leg amputated. He played games, plural, with a hidden and taped catheter running from his armpit to his heart. His calf was oozing blood for so many months, from September of one year to February of another, that he had to have the equivalent of a drain installed. This is a story of the private pain endured in pursuit of public glory, just one man's broken body on a battlefield littered with thousands of them. As death and depression and dementia addle football's mind, persuading some of the gladiators to kill themselves as a solution to end all the pain, and as the media finally shines a light on football's concussed skull at the very iceberg-top of the problem, we begin the anatomy of Taylor's story at the very bottom ... with his feet.
He had torn tissues in the bottom of both of them. But he wanted to play. He always wanted to play. So he went to a private room inside the football stadium.
"Like a dungeon," he says now. "One light bulb swaying back and forth. There was a damp, musty smell. It was like the basement in Pulp Fiction."
The doctors handed him a towel. For his mouth. To keep him from biting his tongue. And to muffle his screaming.
"It is the worst ever," he says. "By far. All the nerve endings in your feet."
That wasn't the ailment. No, that was the cure. A needle has to go in that foot, and there aren't a lot of soft, friendly places for a big needle in a foot. That foot pain is there for a reason, of course. It is your body screaming to your brain for help. A warning. The needle mutes the screaming and the warning.
"The first shot is ridiculous," Taylor says. "Ridiculously horrible. Excruciating."
But the first shot to the foot wasn't even the remedy. The first shot was just to numb the area ... in preparation for the second shot, which was worse.
"You can't kill the foot because then it is just a dead nub," he says. "You've got to get the perfect mix [of anesthesia]. I was crying and screaming. I'm sweating just speaking about it now."
How'd he play?
"I didn't play well," he says. "But I played better than my backup would have."
He didn't question these needles or this pain, didn't question the dungeon or the doctors. Consequences were for other people, weaker ones. There was only one time Taylor questioned the worth of what he did for a living, while crying and curled up on the pavement of a parking lot outside his doctor's office. It was the needle in the spine that made him wonder about the price of this game, but those questions were every bit as fleeting as the soothing provided by those epidurals. He didn't practice much in 2006 because of a herniated disk in his back, and he needed the medicine pregnant women use for labor just to get to Sundays. Taylor's wife was helping him down the stairs as he left the doctor's office after one such epidural, but that wasn't the bad part. His back locked up as he tried to get in the passenger seat of their car, making him crumble.
"I started shaking on the ground," he says. "My wife was trying to pick me up. I was in tears."
Help came to get him back upstairs ... to get another needle in a different spot on the spine. He won Defensive Player of the Year that season, believe it or not. Still tells Nick Saban that he won that award because of how little he practiced that year, keeping his body fresh from the daily ravages of the job.
"There was a period of a year and a half or two years when I couldn't put my kids to bed," he says. "My wife and I laugh about it. You have to bend down. I couldn't with their weight. I would just hover. I would get as low as I could, and then drop them, and they'd bounce."
He isn't bragging, and he isn't complaining. He wants to make sure you know that. He feels lucky and blessed to have done what he did. He is just answering questions matter-of-factly about the insanity of the world where he worked. It is a barbaric game, trying to be more of a man than the next man, putting your pain threshold against your muscled opponent's, all of these competition-aholics colliding at an inhumane rate of speed.
So did he lie to the doctors?
Yes.
Did he get in that player deli line outside the trainer's room before the game to get that secret elixir, a Toradol shot in the butt that would lubricate and soothe away the aches for three hours despite its side effects (chest pains, headaches, nausea, bloody stool, coughing up blood, vomit that looks like coffee grounds)?
Yes.
Did he think this was smart or healthy?
No.
Did he care that it wasn't smart or healthy?
No.
Taylor was leg-whipped during a game once in Washington. Happens all the time. Common. He was sore and had a bruise, but the pregame Toradol and the postgame pain medicine and prescribed sleeping pills masked the suffering, so he went to dinner and thought he was fine. Until he couldn't sleep. And the medication wore off. It was 2 a.m. He noticed that the only time his calf didn't hurt is when he was walking around his house or standing. So he found a spot that gave him relief on a staircase and fell asleep standing up, leaning against the wall. But as soon as his leg would relax from the sleep, the pain would wake him up again. He called the team trainer and asked if he could take another Vicodin. The trainer said absolutely not. This need to kill the pain is what former No. 1 pick Keith McCants says started a pain-killer addiction that turned to street drugs when the money ran out ... and led him to try to hang himself to break the cycle of pain.
The trainer rushed to Taylor's house. Taylor thought he was overreacting. The trainer told him they were immediately going to the hospital. A test kit came out. Taylor's blood pressure was so high that the doctors thought the test kit was faulty. Another test. Same crazy numbers. Doctors demanded immediate surgery. Taylor said absolutely not, that he wanted to call his wife and his agent and the famed Dr. James Andrews for a second opinion. Andrews also recommended surgery, and fast. Taylor said, fine, he'd fly out in owner Daniel Snyder's private jet in the morning. Andrews said that was fine but that he'd have to cut off Taylor's leg upon arrival. Taylor thought he was joking. Andrews wasn't. Compartment syndrome. Muscle bleeds into the cavity, causing nerve damage. Two more hours, and Taylor would have had one fewer leg. Fans later sent him supportive notes about their own compartment syndrome, many of them in wheelchairs.
Taylor's reaction?
"I was mad because I had to sit out three weeks," he says. "I was hot."
He had seven to nine inches of nerve damage.
"The things we do," he explains. "Players play. It is who we are. We always think we can overcome."
Everything is lined up to get the unhealthy player back on the field — the desire of the player, the guy behind you willing to endure more for the paycheck, the urging of the coaches and teammates, the culture that mocks and eradicates the weak and the doctor whose job it is not necessarily to keep the player healthy but healthy enough to be valuable to the team, which isn't the same thing at all. The doctor gives the player the diagnosis and the consequences on the sidelines with in-game injuries, without the benefit of an MRI, and then the player makes a choice with the information about whether to take a pain-masking shot. And the choice is always to play.
"Damn right," Taylor says.
You never know if all those needles — and Taylor took a lot — produce more pain. Science has linked Toradol to plantar fasciitis (the aforementioned torn tendons in Taylor's feet), so Taylor might have been taking one painkiller ... that helped create a different pain ... and thus required a different painkiller. That was certainly the case after his compartment syndrome. He developed a staph infection that required that catheter to run from armpit to heart with antibiotics. He'd hook himself up to it for a half-hour a day, like a car getting gas, letting the balls of medicine roll into his body. Then he concealed the catheter in tape under his arm so that an opponent wouldn't know he was weak. Opponents will find your weakness, At the bottom of a fumble pile, a Buffalo Bills player once squeezed the hell out of Taylor's Adam's Apple to try and dislodge the football. Anything you read about the PICC line catheter (peripherally inserted central catheter) Taylor used will tell you to avoid swimming or weightlifting or anything that might get it dirty or sweaty. Taylor was playing with it in for weeks while colliding in the most violent of contact sports. Doctors told him it wasn't a good idea to play with it in. He ignored them.
The training room? Taylor hated guys who "took up residency" there, calling them "soft." His mentor, Dan Marino, has a quote up on one of the walls in there, something about how being in the training room doesn't make you part of the team. Taylor was proud to learn that one of his own quotes has been put up in there, too: Be a player, not a patient. So even the one solitary place designated for healing in football, the one safe haven, is literally surrounded on all sides by walls of voices telling the player to get the hell out of here.
"Would I do it all again? I would," Taylor says. "If I had to sleep on the steps standing up for 15 years, I would do it."
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/13/v-fullstory/3179926/dan-le-batard-jason-taylors-pain.html#storylink=cpy
Ouch. Quit it.
Texans needed that drive. A good drive to go into the locker room with.
Quote from: sbr on January 13, 2013, 06:17:15 PM
QuoteThe training room? Taylor hated guys who “took up residency” there, calling them “soft.” His mentor, Dan Marino, has a quote up on one of the walls in there, something about how being in the training room doesn’t make you part of the team. Taylor was proud to learn that one of his own quotes has been put up in there, too: Be a player, not a patient. So even the one solitary place designated for healing in football, the one safe haven, is literally surrounded on all sides by walls of voices telling the player to get the hell out of here.
Ouch. Quit it.
This is why my boys are playing baseball. I would rather they be roiding up than go through all that crap.
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles interviewed Brian Billick for their head coaching vacancy, league sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Billick, who coached the Baltimore Ravens for nine years and led the franchise to its only Super Bowl championship, interviewed with the Eagles this past Monday, according to sources.
Awesome. :D
Okay maybe that was why they were "mad at Quin" last week, or whenever that was.
And Jackson's ankle got all bent up there too, so that's great. <_<
Forward progress, eh? I'll take it.
Let's here it for dusting off the old "forward progress" rule. :lol:
Schaub actually moved pretty well there, but it didn't really matter all that much. Shitty punt too, but at least Welker took a shot.
Yeah that was nice.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2013, 06:36:24 PM
but at least Welker took a shot.
That was at about 60%. Needed 90%.
Damn I wish the Bengals could execute a screen like that. Or at all for that matter.
:blink: Well he moved pretty well again, but forgot to take the ball with him.
Man, it's like I'm watching Schaub's career flash before my eyes.
Yikes, Simms. "Hostelle atmosphere." It's the feminine version of a hostle atmosphere, I guess.
Oh now that was a bad read and throw.
Christ, Matt. He was practically in your face lit up in neon.
Yeah that pick probably killed them. PUT IN YAT.....wait don't do that.
Well that whole sequence sucked.
Well, it's a rematch of last year. But Cundiff isn't in purple anymore.
Buh Bye Texans.
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2013, 06:54:10 PM
Well that whole sequence sucked.
The offense has to do something now. They look really deflated and need to get their shit together fast.
@richeisen: Ravens-Patriots would be 1st AFC Championship game rematch since the Browns & Broncos went "The Drive"/"The Fumble" in '86/'87.
Maybe the Ravens got both out of the way last year: "The Drop/The Miss."
I'm not going to enjoy this Patriots-49ers Superbowl. :x
They should probably have schaub fall forward here, but for some reason they don't have him do that very much at all.
:blink: Or they can run a crazy toss play.
Instead of challenging or just running it, they throw a long pass on 4th and 1 and fuck it all up. :rolleyes: Kubiak getting all cute and shit. Patriots going to go for it here.
E: The Texans were the only ones surprised by that, apparently.
What the hell happened? I see Foster convert a 4th and 1 and come back into the room like a minute later and Brady is throwing a bomb for a TD.
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2013, 07:09:48 PM
What the hell happened? I see Foster convert a 4th and 1 and come back into the room like a minute later and Brady is throwing a bomb for a TD.
Stupid playcalling happened.
Extra super retarded play call on 4th and 1.
What the hell? There goes Manning again.
Poor Texans. They just couldn't recover whatever it was that made them special at the beginning of the year. :(
The problem is that Foster isn't hitting homeruns in the running game, and without play-action Schaub can't attack down the field very effectively.
4th and one! All streaks coming up.
Oh hey they ran it and got it. Imagine that.
Nice try by Posey there.
Wait, was he inbounds?
Yeah, I think that's a TD, albeit an awkward one.
That's a helluva thing if it turns out to be a TD.
E: Wow, nice catch for your first NFL TD.
Hey Hernandez didn't get away with shoving a defender 10 yards downfield that time. Progress!
Well, the least you could do is cripple Tom Brady for the good of the league, you know?
ProFootballTalk is saying Gronkowski needs surgery on the forearm again. Done for the rest of the playoffs.
Stop taking so long between plays, Texans. Damn, guys.
Playing smallball is killing the clock.
Welp there goes Posey on the cart.
Nice job and all, but that drive took 4:47 off the clock.
E: Pretty close on the onside, but no dice.
I think #35 ran right through the ball there on that onside kick. Yikes.
Looked like it actually hit a couple Houston players and neither one could snag it.
Fucking Ravens are gonna disappoint me again. <_<
Rather disappointing ending for the Texans, but they haven't been right for some reason late this season. Injuries were a part of it, but they still had most of their horses.
Wonder how things would've turned out if they didn't lose home field advantage after Thanksgiving.
Phil Simms actually said something worthwhile, about "changing philosophies". Maybe not on defense, but perhaps reimagine the offense?
Quote from: sbr on January 13, 2013, 06:58:42 PM
@richeisen: Ravens-Patriots would be 1st AFC Championship game rematch since the Browns & Broncos went "The Drive"/"The Fumble" in '86/'87.
Had to go there, didn't you?
You guys sure you don't want to huddle up? You could burn a good solid 30 seconds if you did. :huh:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2013, 07:54:43 PM
You guys sure you don't want to huddle up? You could burn a good solid 30 seconds if you did. :huh:
After burning up so much time for that touchdown, what's a few seconds?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 13, 2013, 07:55:48 PM
After burning up so much time for that touchdown, what's a few seconds?
That was the slowest OH GOD WE NEED POINTS NOWNOWNOWNOW drive I've ever seen, I think.
It was rather maddening. They so needed to score quick on that particular drive.
They got the ball with 10 left or so, right? Three TDs is a lot to ask there, but damn.
LOL, Mom just called: "Ravens have to go play that pussy Brady?"
Damn. When my mother calls you a pussy, you're a pussy.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 13, 2013, 08:01:48 PM
LOL, Mom just called: "Ravens have to go play that pussy Brady?"
Damn. When my mother calls you a pussy, you're a pussy.
:lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 13, 2013, 08:01:48 PM
LOL, Mom just called: "Ravens have to go play that pussy Brady?"
Damn. When my mother calls you a pussy, you're a pussy.
:lol: Harbowl is still alive.
Was Schaub hurt or something? It just seemed weird to me that at no point did they ever attempt the deep ball.
Quote from: Neil on January 13, 2013, 08:06:58 PM
:lol: Harbowl is still alive.
Was Schaub hurt or something? It just seemed weird to me that at no point did they ever attempt the deep ball.
I don't think he was. They never said anything about it if so.
Quote from: Neil on January 13, 2013, 08:06:58 PM
Was Schaub hurt or something? It just seemed weird to me that at no point did they ever attempt the deep ball.
See, I didn't get that at all. I mean, yeah, take your chances against the Pats run D with one of the best backs in the game, but their secondary can be beaten, Shaub has a great deep ball and Johnson (the game's 2nd best wideout) was 8 for 11 thrown at, and had a longest reception of only 22 yards. Could've gone after the secondary harder, instead of mid-length seams.
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2013, 05:25:40 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2013, 07:53:58 AM
Not looking good for Griffin. Looks like Shanahan's destroyed the first sign of hope in Washington in 20 years.
http://m.nbcsports.com/content/pft-concern-growing-over-rg3s-knee-injury
That is not exactly new information but I appreciate your cheering this situation on. Try not to pop any champaign when his career ends.
New information to me and CdM.
What makes you think I'm happy about this? :huh:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2013, 08:59:31 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 13, 2013, 05:25:40 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2013, 07:53:58 AM
Not looking good for Griffin. Looks like Shanahan's destroyed the first sign of hope in Washington in 20 years.
http://m.nbcsports.com/content/pft-concern-growing-over-rg3s-knee-injury
That is not exactly new information but I appreciate your cheering this situation on. Try not to pop any champaign when his career ends.
New information to me and CdM.
What makes you think I'm happy about this? :huh:
Because your black heart is full of hatred and evil.
The early lines:
1/20 3:00 ET San Francisco -3 At Atlanta 47.5
1/20 6:30 ET At New England -8.5 Baltimore 51
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 13, 2013, 09:17:32 PM
The early lines:
1/20 3:00 ET San Francisco -3 At Atlanta 47.5
1/20 6:30 ET At New England -8.5 Baltimore 51
I would expect San Fran to win by more than that, and the Pats-Ravens game will be closer.
Quote from: Neil on January 13, 2013, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 13, 2013, 08:59:31 PM
What makes you think I'm happy about this? :huh:
Because your black heart is full of hatred and evil.
He's got you there, Timmay Jong-un.
Yay.
QuoteProviding a bit of bulletin-board material before the New England Patriots even officially finished off the Houston Texans to reach the AFC championship game, special-teams ace Brendon Ayanbadejo delivered a shot at the Ravens' next opponent.
"New England does some suspect stuff on offense," Ayanbadejo wrote on his verified Twitter account. "Can't really respect it. Comparable to a cheap shot b4 a fight. Are you watching the game pats vs texans? If so you see the hurry snap offense catch em b4 they set up. It's a gimmick.
"Their offense is good enough to be successful with out that. .. In a sport that is predicated on mano y mano, lets hurry up n snap it = [expletive]"
The Ravens lost to the Patriots in the AFC title game last season.
The Patriots' formidable offense is headlined by quarterback Tom Brady, who passed for three touchdowns and 344 yards during Sunday's win over the Texans.
The Patriots piled up 457 yards of total offense and 24 first downs.
Not content to just rip the Patriots' offensive strategy, which is predicated by a lot of quick throws by Brady, Ayanbadejo also referenced New England's Spygate controversy and releasing wide receiver Tiquan Underwood last year one day before the Super Bowl.
"You know the same organization that did spygate and cut a guy the day b4 the Super Bowl," Ayanbadejo wrote.
It's unlikely that Patriots coach Bill Belichick will react to Ayanbadejo's comments, but they're sure to find their way to the Patriots' locker room as a bit of motivational fuel heading into a rematch of last year's AFC title game.
Ayanbadejo needs to shut up and play. That kickoff return? That was his lane.
:lol: That's ridiculous. Be ready when the ref places the ball.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 14, 2013, 09:16:17 AM
:lol: That's ridiculous. Be ready when the ref places the ball.
Yep. Defense should always be ready for the play-- there's never a valid excuse for letting the offense get that by you.
Last year vs. the Browns the Bengals intentionally set a play like that up in the 4th quarter. They intentionally took their time getting out of the huddle and getting to the line for several plays, which successfully lulled the defense into the same slow pace. Then bam, quick-snap-- easy ~40 yard TD pass. Not a single guy on the Browns D was in position. Was AJ Green's first TD IIRC.
I would also like everyone to note the African name of the Raventard. :contract:
McClain is reporting that Posey tore his Achilles. He's saying it's "only" a six month recovery time though, so he could still end up being the #2 WR next season like I'm hoping. :hmm:
Awesome shirt. :D
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You're not allowed to rag on the Browns.
Bengals are cutting ticket prices in most upper sections by ten bucks for 2013, and there are a lot more $40 seats now. Hopefully this reaches about the right equilibrium to sell out each week. They sold out 6 of 8 home games in 2012.
Quote from: derspiess on January 14, 2013, 07:13:15 PM
You're not allowed to rag on the Browns.
No, he is not. He does not possess the moral standing to do so.
NE has been running the hurry-up offense all season, and I think last year too, so I'm surprised when opposing teams let that hurt them so bad. They have to be planning for it when going over the game plan vs NE. Also, I'm sure we'll see more team's offenses do the same over the next few seasons.
Quote from: KRonn on January 15, 2013, 02:50:44 PM
NE has been running the hurry-up offense all season, and I think last year too, so I'm surprised when opposing teams let that hurt them so bad. They have to be planning for it when going over the game plan vs NE. Also, I'm sure we'll see more team's offenses do the same over the next few seasons.
Hurry-up can often hurt the offense as much as or more than the defense, and you have to have the right personnel to pull it off. That was the Bengals' bread & butter with Boomer Esiason. They tried to continue it with QBs they had after Boomer with disastrous results.
https://twitter.com/tfln/status/290869959201001474
Quote@TFLN: (805): If you've never yelled, "fuck you ray Lewis" in front of your 87 year old grandfather you haven't lived
Luckily, the national weariness of Ray Lewis is surpassed only by the national weariness of Brady and the Patriots. That's the only PR angle the Ravens have for Suggs Versus Uggs on Sunday.
Ray Lewis was in college the only time I had that opportunity. But then again he beat WVU in both of his years and I know I watched both games so I suppose I could have done it.
Fuck You Bears! I hope Cutler fucks up for many more years to come. :ultra:
Lulz, Marc Trestman, Bernie Slayer :bleeding:
I feel sorry for the Falcons. Nobody wants to talk about them. It's all Kaepernick, Kaepernick, Kaepernick, with a little Flacco, Har-bowl anticipation & "here we go again" Patriots talk sprinkled in.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 07:53:39 AM
Lulz, Marc Trestman, Bernie Slayer :bleeding:
He's done just fine with Anthony Calvillo though, turning him into one of the all-time bests.
And this is fairly ancient history to me, but I thought Trestman's relationship with Bernie Kosar was a positive one. :unsure:
Quote from: derspiess on January 16, 2013, 09:51:36 AM
I feel sorry for the Falcons. Nobody wants to talk about them. It's all Kaepernick, Kaepernick, Kaepernick, with a little Flacco, Har-bowl anticipation & "here we go again" Patriots talk sprinkled in.
If I was a Falcon's fan that would be fine with me.
Quote from: Barrister on January 16, 2013, 10:35:05 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 07:53:39 AM
Lulz, Marc Trestman, Bernie Slayer :bleeding:
He's done just fine with Anthony Calvillo though, turning him into one of the all-time bests.
And this is fairly ancient history to me, but I thought Trestman's relationship with Bernie Kosar was a positive one. :unsure:
Trestman dismatled Lindy Infante's system.
Oh, and ask BA about his stint in Oaktown. Jay Schroeder.
Fin. :bleeding:
I still cannot believe that Jacoby Jones pass.
Quote from: Valmy on January 16, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
I still cannot believe that Jacoby Jones pass.
Typical, still no credit for Flacco.
Quote from: derspiess on January 16, 2013, 09:51:36 AM
I feel sorry for the Falcons. Nobody wants to talk about them. It's all Kaepernick, Kaepernick, Kaepernick, with a little Flacco, Har-bowl anticipation & "here we go again" Patriots talk sprinkled in.
Meh, I think he's gotten his due press for finally getting over the 0-fer-playoffs hump. I really don't see their undersized defense stopping every phase of the Niners' offense, though. If they win, it's because they were the first team to 30 points.
You won't believe Baltimore talk radio, though. Negative vibes about Flacco STILL. You'd think this team went straight from Johnny Unitas to Joe, and have forgotten everybody in between that couldn't get a first down to save their lives since Bert Jones. :bleeding:
Would be cool to see Flacco versus Ryan, though. Same draft.
That was sudden, chip Kelly is new eagles coach. Per twitter.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 10:47:24 AM
You won't believe Baltimore talk radio, though. Negative vibes about Flacco STILL. You'd think this team went straight from Johnny Unitas to Joe, and have forgotten everybody in between that couldn't get a first down to save their lives since Bert Jones. :bleeding:
I'd believe that. There's folks out there for whom Flacco could be the greatest ever, and it wouldn't matter because he's white. Plus he stole Troy Smith's job. Never mind that Troy Smith wasn't a good NFL player, while Flacco has led the team to glory. He's a cracker.
Troy Smith is going to grad school.
Quote from: sbr on January 16, 2013, 12:11:10 PM
That was sudden, chip Kelly is new eagles coach. Per twitter.
Huh. Poor guy. The Philly rebuild is going to be at least as hard as Arizona or Jacksonville, but it's compounded by having to do it in the NFC Least, where one loss means that everyone in your city turns on you.
Quote from: Neil on January 16, 2013, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 16, 2013, 12:11:10 PM
That was sudden, chip Kelly is new eagles coach. Per twitter.
Huh. Poor guy. The Philly rebuild is going to be at least as hard as Arizona or Jacksonville, but it's compounded by having to do it in the NFC Least, where one loss means that everyone in your city turns on you.
And it's even worse in Philly, where they might turn on you even after a win.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 16, 2013, 12:18:15 PM
Troy Smith is going to grad school.
Good for him. He conned some NFL teams out of some money (not so much the Ravens, as it wasn't known for certain that he sucked when he was drafted, but the Niners got fleeced), he might as well do something he enjoys. I'm sure he really enjoyed being in college.
Quote from: Neil on January 16, 2013, 12:16:40 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 10:47:24 AM
You won't believe Baltimore talk radio, though. Negative vibes about Flacco STILL. You'd think this team went straight from Johnny Unitas to Joe, and have forgotten everybody in between that couldn't get a first down to save their lives since Bert Jones. :bleeding:
I'd believe that. There's folks out there for whom Flacco could be the greatest ever, and it wouldn't matter because he's white. Plus he stole Troy Smith's job. Never mind that Troy Smith wasn't a good NFL player, while Flacco has led the team to glory. He's a cracker.
Nah, it's really not that; it's almost as if he's not rah-rah enough, like he needs to do a Ray Ray Chicken Dance after every first down. They bitch about his demeanor in the huddle, on the sidelines, as if he's not "passionate" enough.
You'd think a city used to years of Cal Ripken Jr. would know the difference between Vinny Testaverde-eyeballs-frozen-over-with-catatonia-by-the-2nd-quarter-with-the-1,000-yard-interception-stare aloofness, and leading by example with quiet confidence.
I hope they pay him as the franchise QB that he is. His stats and records speak for themselves.
Quote from: Neil on January 16, 2013, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 16, 2013, 12:11:10 PM
That was sudden, chip Kelly is new eagles coach. Per twitter.
Huh. Poor guy. The Philly rebuild is going to be at least as hard as Arizona or Jacksonville, but it's compounded by having to do it in the NFC Least, where one loss means that everyone in your city turns on you.
Rumor has it he got personnel control as well. Sounds like a trainwreck to me...and since it is Philly I hope I am right.
I was sorta hoping Billick would get the Philly job; he's got the demeanor to handle that team, the media and that town.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 12:29:43 PM
I was sorta hoping Billick would get the Philly job; he's got the demeanor to handle that team, the media and that town.
Yeah, but I figured he was a longshot at best.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 12:25:31 PM
Nah, it's really not that; it's almost as if he's not rah-rah enough, like he needs to do a Ray Ray Chicken Dance after every first down. They bitch about his demeanor in the huddle, on the sidelines, as if he's not "passionate" enough.
You'd think a city used to years of Cal Ripken Jr. would know the difference between Vinny Testaverde-eyeballs-frozen-over-with-catatonia-by-the-2nd-quarter-with-the-1,000-yard-interception-stare aloofness, and leading by example with quiet confidence.
I hope they pay him as the franchise QB that he is. His stats and records speak for themselves.
So would it take a Super Bowl win to shut them up?
Quote from: derspiess on January 16, 2013, 12:48:40 PM
So would it take a Super Bowl win to shut them up?
Probably depends on if he throws a pick 6 or not. :lol:
Quote from: derspiess on January 16, 2013, 12:48:40 PM
So would it take a Super Bowl win to shut them up?
Only if he did a victory dance afterwards.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 12:25:31 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 16, 2013, 12:16:40 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 10:47:24 AM
You won't believe Baltimore talk radio, though. Negative vibes about Flacco STILL. You'd think this team went straight from Johnny Unitas to Joe, and have forgotten everybody in between that couldn't get a first down to save their lives since Bert Jones. :bleeding:
I'd believe that. There's folks out there for whom Flacco could be the greatest ever, and it wouldn't matter because he's white. Plus he stole Troy Smith's job. Never mind that Troy Smith wasn't a good NFL player, while Flacco has led the team to glory. He's a cracker.
Nah, it's really not that; it's almost as if he's not rah-rah enough, like he needs to do a Ray Ray Chicken Dance after every first down. They bitch about his demeanor in the huddle, on the sidelines, as if he's not "passionate" enough.
You'd think a city used to years of Cal Ripken Jr. would know the difference between Vinny Testaverde-eyeballs-frozen-over-with-catatonia-by-the-2nd-quarter-with-the-1,000-yard-interception-stare aloofness, and leading by example with quiet confidence.
I hope they pay him as the franchise QB that he is. His stats and records speak for themselves.
I don't see how they couldn't. Either he gets a long term deal worth over a hundred million dollars, he gets the tag (which would absolutely blow up the team's salary cap for next year) or he ends up playing somewhere else. The Ravens are too smart to let the third happen, because they know what it's like to try to win with horseshit at the QB position.
Yeah, I don't see how anyone who has been watching Flacco for the last two years can mistake what he's got for aloofness. Didn't they see him pumping that arm when Torrey caught that pass in Pittsburgh last year? Watch him on the sidelines and you'll see. Just because he's sitting on the bench doesn't mean he doesn't care. Look at Ray last week.
I dunno, I get the feeling that with some people it's more. Like Mike Preston at the Sun.
Quote from: Neil on January 16, 2013, 01:00:04 PM
I dunno, I get the feeling that with some people it's more. Like Mike Preston at the Sun.
Preston's a frustrated offensive lineman that could never make it to the big time. To him, a pure pocket passer that waits until the last minute to take the last best shot with the ball makes the OL look bad when the pocket gets caved in, so it's better to have wheels.
Quote from: Neil on January 16, 2013, 01:00:04 PM
I don't see how they couldn't. Either he gets a long term deal worth over a hundred million dollars, he gets the tag (which would absolutely blow up the team's salary cap for next year) or he ends up playing somewhere else. The Ravens are too smart to let the third happen, because they know what it's like to try to win with horseshit at the QB position.
Well, Ray Ray will have some cap savings when he's gone, and I really don't think Ed Reed will be in Baltimore next year; either they win a ring and he retires, or they let him go and he plays out his last year of his contract elsewhere. And what he's due to be paid next season, I could see him in a Redskins or some other uniform next year. He wants that ring above anything else.
Quote from: Neil on January 16, 2013, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 16, 2013, 12:11:10 PM
That was sudden, chip Kelly is new eagles coach. Per twitter.
Huh. Poor guy. The Philly rebuild is going to be at least as hard as Arizona or Jacksonville, but it's compounded by having to do it in the NFC Least, where one loss means that everyone in your city turns on you.
The little bit I saw of Foles makes me think the Eagles are better off than the Cardinals and Jaguars, not that that is saying much. The only question is, is Fole mobile enough for Kelly? I think Kelly i ssmart enough to build a system around his players, but after seeing how much success Griffen III, Wilson, Newton have had running the spread option in the NFL Kelly may look for something similiar. Hopefully he doesn't buy into the fool's gold that is Mike Vick.
From what I remember watching Foles at Arizona, he seemed quite mobile. Guess you develop that when it comes to running for your life.
Quote from: Valmy on January 16, 2013, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 16, 2013, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 16, 2013, 12:11:10 PM
That was sudden, chip Kelly is new eagles coach. Per twitter.
Huh. Poor guy. The Philly rebuild is going to be at least as hard as Arizona or Jacksonville, but it's compounded by having to do it in the NFC Least, where one loss means that everyone in your city turns on you.
Rumor has it he got personnel control as well. Sounds like a trainwreck to me...and since it is Philly I hope I am right.
That would be crazy if true. I am a big fan of Kelly as a coach, but with no NFL experience at all that is a reach. He has only been a head coach in one place at Oregon, before that a couple of years as OC at Oregon and before that he was OC at New Hampshire for goodness sake.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 01:32:27 PM
From what I remember watching Foles at Arizona, he seemed quite mobile. Guess you develop that when it comes to running for your life.
Yeah that is what I was thinking. He is mobile for a "pocket passer", I don't see him running any sort of spread option at the pro level though.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 16, 2013, 01:00:04 PM
I don't see how they couldn't. Either he gets a long term deal worth over a hundred million dollars, he gets the tag (which would absolutely blow up the team's salary cap for next year) or he ends up playing somewhere else. The Ravens are too smart to let the third happen, because they know what it's like to try to win with horseshit at the QB position.
Well, Ray Ray will have some cap savings when he's gone, and I really don't think Ed Reed will be in Baltimore next year; either they win a ring and he retires, or they let him go and he plays out his last year of his contract elsewhere. And what he's due to be paid next season, I could see him in a Redskins or some other uniform next year. He wants that ring above anything else.
I think Reed is a free agent this offseason, so unless he's willing to take a home team discount, this is his last year as a Raven. He could almost certainly get a more money on the free agent market from somebody trying to make a desperate push, but if the Ravens win it all this year, I agree that he's retiring (and maybe even if they don't...). Cary Williams is going to be gone. Paul Kruger is going to be gone, because no way is Baltimore going to pay him Suggs-like money. Jacoby Jones has a big roster bonus coming his way, so his contract might be in danger. Ellerbe will stay and so will Flacco, but this is going to be a brutal offseason. Not as brutal as it will be for the Steelers though.
Pretty interesting explanation of why the Pats can run the hurry up offense so well.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8849439/how-terminology-erhardt-perkins-system-helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots
Anyone interested in replacing chip Kelly at Oregon? Here's the job posting.
http://jobs.uoregon.edu/unclassified.php?id=4142
QuotePOSITION: Head Football Coach
SALARY RANGE: Commensurate with experience
I'll do it for $40K. VAT A BARGAIN!
You're eying the lucrative endorsements, I see.
Quote from: Neil on January 16, 2013, 02:12:36 PM
I think Reed is a free agent this offseason, so unless he's willing to take a home team discount, this is his last year as a Raven. He could almost certainly get a more money on the free agent market from somebody trying to make a desperate push, but if the Ravens win it all this year, I agree that he's retiring (and maybe even if they don't...). Cary Williams is going to be gone. Paul Kruger is going to be gone, because no way is Baltimore going to pay him Suggs-like money. Jacoby Jones has a big roster bonus coming his way, so his contract might be in danger. Ellerbe will stay and so will Flacco, but this is going to be a brutal offseason. Not as brutal as it will be for the Steelers though.
You're right; Ed's an UFA. I think what happens to him depends on how the pre-season plays out. I simply don't expect him to be back next season. He has always been a strange bird, and I think he's tired of playing in pain the last three seasons.
If history is any indicator, they would give Flacco the franchise tag for the season while they take the time to work out a long term deal; they've done that for franchise players for years. It's rubbed some players the wrong way before, I'm sure he wouldn't mind being paid the average of the top five at the position for a year while they work out a bigger contract.
Williams, Kruger, Ellerbe...a lot of starters and crucial role players are UFAs this off-season, including both Dickson and Pitta, Arthur Jones, Kemoeatu and McClellan.
http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/baltimore-ravens/
Jimmy Smith is flying dangerously close to Draft Bust, though. He needs to stay healthy and in the starting line-up, neither of which he can do consistently. Shame for a former #1 pick that had all the makings of a total shutdown corner. Courtney Upshaw is going to be the future of that front seven, though. You watch. He's still developing, and they haven't even let him loose yet.
Watch the Ravens draft heavy on defense this year.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 08:14:25 PM
QuotePOSITION: Head Football Coach
SALARY RANGE: Commensurate with experience
I'll do it for $40K. VAT A BARGAIN!
I'll be the coach that pervs the cheerleaders.
Poor Jimmy Smith. That said, he made a great special teams play on Saturday. If only he could manage to not get torched any time anyone throws a double move on him.
QuoteThe wind could be a factor in Sunday's AFC Championship game between the Ravens and New England Patriots, with gusts up to 30 mph possible at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Mass.
At game time, 6:30 p.m., the National Weather Service's Boston forecast office is calling for temperatures around freezing. A steady westerly breeze of about 15 mph, with stronger gusts, is expected to bring wind chills in the lower 20s, though.
Given that the field is oriented more or less north-south, the wind could at least have equal effects on kickers at both ends of the field. But it could still be a factor in passing, catching and kicking.
Ugh. If this is true, you can forget the Flacco deep game. If the air attack is grounded, the Patriots have the edge on the running games unless the Ravens refit OL can move some bodies for Rice and Pierce.
Colts OC Bruce Arians has accepted the Arizona Cardinals head coaching job.
Oops.
I wonder what his plan is for the total lack of anything resembling a quarterback?
Quote from: Neil on January 17, 2013, 09:29:58 PM
I wonder what his plan is for the total lack of anything resembling a quarterback?
When your best bet is trying to keep Kevin Kolb healthy you are in a bad spot. I have a feeling they will end up drafting Matt Barkley, which I don't think will work out well.
Quote from: sbr on January 17, 2013, 09:35:16 PM
I have a feeling they will end up drafting Matt Barkley, which I don't think will work out well.
Arizona and even KC have a hard-on for drafting a franchise quarterback, but he sure as hell isn't it.
I don't think any of the QBs this year are worth a 1st draft pick this season, but there are several who could become starters for value in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Isn't there some 12-year old kid who dates a gold digger and wins national championships? Is he not a good quarterback for the pros?
Quote from: Neil on January 17, 2013, 10:10:21 PM
Isn't there some 12-year old kid who dates a gold digger and wins national championships? Is he not a good quarterback for the pros?
No Alabama QB has been worth a crap since Joe Namath.
Quote from: Neil on January 17, 2013, 09:29:58 PM
I wonder what his plan is for the total lack of anything resembling a quarterback?
Alex Smith?
Quote from: Valmy on January 17, 2013, 10:13:01 PM
No Alabama QB has been worth a crap since Joe Namath.
Whaaaa...? WHAT ABOUT SON OF SHULA?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 17, 2013, 10:15:42 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 17, 2013, 09:29:58 PM
I wonder what his plan is for the total lack of anything resembling a quarterback?
Alex Smith?
:yuk: Someone is going to pay him way too much.
I will guaranfuckingtee it that goofball Reid will take Geno Smith with the first pick.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 17, 2013, 10:20:27 PM
I will guaranfuckingtee it that goofball Reid will take Geno Smith with the first pick.
My wife comes up with adorable nicknames for certain coaches, kind of like John Gruden.
Andy Reid is 'Pedophile'. I think it's the mustache and only having one facial expression. Personally, I think he looks more like Richard Jewell.
:D
http://www.theonion.com/articles/bill-belichick-builds-new-tight-end-from-mutilated,30952/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default
QuoteFOXBOROUGH, MA—In a savage and gruesome turn of events, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick reportedly slaughtered a half-dozen dogs adopted from the humane society Friday, sewing together the dismembered body parts to construct a new, horrific tight end. "They were cute dogs at first, but then I figured out that if you rip them apart, they could be really useful," said Belichick, watching the fur-covered abomination lumber across the field, producing the blood-curdling sound of splintering bone and ripping flesh with every step. "While tinkering around in my workshop, I started out stitching a few dog legs together, combining ribcages and whatnot, and soon I was reanimating the dead tissue with a portable generator. In almost no time at all, I had a viable red zone target." Belichick confirmed that the grotesque tight end had a far better understanding of the offense and was considerably more intelligent than Rob Gronkowski.
Gawker etal wet their faggot panties over Baltimore Cops:
http://deadspin.com/5977129/watch-the-baltimore-police-departments-crazed-militaristic-tribute-to-the-ravens-includes-cop-rap
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 16, 2013, 08:36:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2013, 08:14:25 PM
QuotePOSITION: Head Football Coach
SALARY RANGE: Commensurate with experience
I'll do it for $40K. VAT A BARGAIN!
I'll be the coach that pervs the cheerleaders.
I thought Urban Meyer already had that distinction.
ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown just did a really nice piece on Lee Evans. Damned shame of a fate for a receiver that was so much better than that.
From NFL Facebook page:
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Should have put the AFC at the top of the bill. That hypes itself.
:bleeding: The Mattural? Really?
Rich Eisen came up with that and has been pimping it hard. I still prefer Matty Ice.
I prefer Matt "I get more press than Joe Flacco even though I didn't win my first post-season game until last week and he already has 7 under his belt" Ryan, myself.
Atlanta's not fucking around with the deep ball today.
Security guy's gonna be sore tomorrow.
So far, Atlanta is making me feel better about the Seahawks loss.
Quote from: sbr on January 20, 2013, 02:37:19 PM
Rich Eisen came up with that and has been pimping it hard. I still prefer Matty Ice.
Yeah. Anyone on the NFL Network who uses 'Matty Ice' always immediately recants and praises Eisen.
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 20, 2013, 03:54:18 PM
So far, Atlanta is making me feel better about the Seahawks loss.
We'll see if they fold in the second half again. The Falcons aren't Charger-soft by any means, but for all their success and explosiveness they don't quite seem to have 'it'.
Quote from: Neil on January 20, 2013, 03:58:05 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 20, 2013, 03:54:18 PM
So far, Atlanta is making me feel better about the Seahawks loss.
We'll see if they fold in the second half again. The Falcons aren't Charger-soft by any means, but for all their success and explosiveness they don't quite seem to have 'it'.
Dunno if they have "it", but they have something-- though that doesn't seem to include the ability to protect huge leads.
Dammit falcons. Get a score before the end of the half please.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 03:24:29 PM
Security guy's gonna be sore tomorrow.
His head didn't hit the mat. Just had the wind knocked out of him.
Looked like it was going to be a massacree there for a while. Glad the Niners made it a game.
Hell of a pop on Crabtree at the goal line.
I jinxed the Niners by telling my Lola to get ready to see a touchdown.
I don't know how they upheld that.
Grats Hose. Well played game.
Well, that's it for Atlanta. We have half of a Harbowl.
:bleeding: I guess there's no lead the Falcons can't choke away.
And, just like that, I become a Patriots fan. :(
Kap is gonna start in the SB. Wow.
Excellent game, both teams played to type: Niners wake up late, Atlanta folds late.
Quote from: Neil on January 20, 2013, 05:49:03 PM
I don't know how they upheld that.
I agreed with the referee guru in the box. The ball moving is only one part of the equation. The other is did he maintain possesion. Not enough there to overturn.
C'mon Ravens.
Close game, Falcons couldn't hold their lead.
Now I'm waiting on the Patriots-Ravens game. Cheering for the Pats, and good luck to you Ravens fans also! Should be a tough, close, hard fought game as has usually been the case with these two teams.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2013, 03:54:28 PM
Luckily, the national weariness of Ray Lewis is surpassed only by the national weariness of Brady and the Patriots.
Quote from: KRonn on January 20, 2013, 06:20:32 PM
Close game, Falcons couldn't hold their lead.
Now I'm waiting on the Patriots-Ravens game. Cheering for the Pats, and good luck to you Ravens fans also! Should be a tough, close, hard fought game as has usually been the case with these two teams.
This is why you'll go to hell.
Who was the little cutie in the hipster shitkicker band that did the anthem?
So we've seen the same Mercedes Benz commercial 3 times in the last 7 commercial slots. Awesomeness, CBS.
Go Team-playing-against-Patriots
Gotta love how only the offensive player is allowed to drop his helmet, but not the defender.
Retiring at the right time, Ray.
Jesus christ. Drop some more passes guys.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 07:13:10 PM
Gotta love how only the offensive player is allowed to drop his helmet, but not the defender.
Retiring at the right time, Ray.
Yeah, I honestly don't know what a "defenseless" receiver is anymore.
Wow, the that grounding call took some guts on the part of the refs.
Damn it, Krueger!
Lucky it's only 3-0.
That was a damned fine drive. Nice mix of play calling.
I need more shots of Gronk in the owners' box, please.
Fucking Brady. If they can't get hit while they're sliding, they shouldn't be allowed to try and injure guys like that.
Once again it comes down to 3rd downs.
Won't matter if they don't stop Brady on 3rd downs. Won't matter if Ravens can't convert 3rd downs.
Wow. That's an odd no call. But Pitta says fuck you with a TD.
If Pollard had thrown that hit on Pitta, we'd be talking 15-yards, a fine and a suspension.
Great game, and but it feels like we should be in the 4th quarter already.
Is it really gonna be a Harbaugowl?
Still a long game.
True, but Ravens have the Mo.
Pollard just sent a guy to the hospital.
Those groans in the stadium were music to my ears.
Drop your helmet on Pollard at your own peril.
I don't know that that will stand up to a replay. Looks like he held on until he was down, even though he was out cold.
Whelp nevermind, it looked pretty close though.
Hit him so hard he did the splits. That's.... A first.
How about now Neil?
.:punk: Wearing my Blue Hen fleece *and* sweatpants now.
Don't break my heart ravens.
Pour it on guys. One more score, and we can call it.
Brady can hit guys.
Quote from: HVC on January 20, 2013, 09:12:36 PM
Don't break my heart ravens.
NEEDS MOAR KILL SHOTS
Just a damn shame Ray Ray's last game is gonna be a Superbowl Loss
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 20, 2013, 09:12:36 PM
Don't break my heart ravens.
NEEDS MOAR KILL SHOTS
Brady injury would just be icing, i just don't want a patriots come back. That would not do. it would not do at all.
Thought our pass defence would kill us early in the season, but we'd seemed to shore it up for a while. Coming back to bite us in the sew at the worst possible time.
Harbowl, Harbowl! Let's go!
No wonder the Pats are losing, Tim's not exactly NFL material. :P
Dropping into prevent :bleeding:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 20, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
Thought our pass defence would kill us early in the season, but we'd seemed to shore it up for a while. Coming back to bite us in the sew at the worst possible time.
stop with the "us" shit god dammit.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 20, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
Thought our pass defence would kill us early in the season, but we'd seemed to shore it up for a while. Coming back to bite us in the sew at the worst possible time.
If only coach had activated you, eh?
And now it's time for Pierce to burn that clock.
That was as much of a choke as you will ever see from Brady. If he ran, he'd have had it.
And that is why Brady is a pussy...he had wide open field to run in.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 09:21:18 PM
That was as much of a choke as you will ever see from Brady. If he ran, he'd have had it.
But if he had, Ngata would have unprettied him.
One more kill shot, Joe.
Quote from: HVC on January 20, 2013, 09:18:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 20, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
Thought our pass defence would kill us early in the season, but we'd seemed to shore it up for a while. Coming back to bite us in the sew at the worst possible time.
stop with the "us" shit god dammit.
No. Sports are about the collective community experience. If it wasn't, I wouldn't watch it. I certainly identify the Ravens with CdM much more than I do with Ray Lewis or anyone else on their roster.
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 20, 2013, 09:21:50 PM
And that is why Brady is a pussy...he had wide open field to run in.
Dude is slower than a sloth. I don't. Think he would have made it.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 20, 2013, 09:24:40 PM
I certainly identify the Ravens with CdM much more than I do with Ray Lewis
:hmm:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 20, 2013, 09:24:40 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 20, 2013, 09:18:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 20, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
Thought our pass defence would kill us early in the season, but we'd seemed to shore it up for a while. Coming back to bite us in the sew at the worst possible time.
stop with the "us" shit god dammit.
No. Sports are about the collective community experience. If it wasn't, I wouldn't watch it. I certainly identify the Ravens with CdM much more than I do with Ray Lewis or anyone else on their roster.
This is a little bit crazy.
It's going to be great when the Patriots win this game
Ray Lewis didn't see anything when Pollard knocked out Vereen
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 20, 2013, 09:21:50 PM
And that is why Brady is a pussy...he had wide open field to run in.
Not that I want to defend Brady, but that's the reason he's still able to play.
well fuck this
Game is about over. Good game Ravens, defense especially. Patriots haven't been held to so few points in a long time.
Fuck yeah.
Nice tip drill. Now lets see a drive longer than a minute, please.
Haha ha, tipped pass INT.
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:27:05 PM
Ray Lewis didn't see anything when Pollard knocked out Vereen
It was Ridley, and he basically knocked himself out.
still time to win but I'm starting to have some doubts
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 20, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:27:05 PM
Ray Lewis didn't see anything when Pollard knocked out Vereen
It was Ridley, and he basically knocked himself out.
Yeah it was Ridley. Is it not a helmet-to-helmet hit when it's a running play? (not a rhetorical question)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 20, 2013, 09:24:40 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 20, 2013, 09:18:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 20, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
Thought our pass defence would kill us early in the season, but we'd seemed to shore it up for a while. Coming back to bite us in the sew at the worst possible time.
stop with the "us" shit god dammit.
No. Sports are about the collective community experience. If it wasn't, I wouldn't watch it. I certainly identify the Ravens with CdM much more than I do with Ray Lewis or anyone else on their roster.
so religion, but I don't see you calling yourself an apostle or saying we had a last supper :P
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:30:18 PM
Yeah it was Ridley. Is it not a helmet-to-helmet hit when it's a running play? (not a rhetorical question)
No. The RB isn't defenseless, although as we've seen in this game, that term doesn't really mean what it seems like it means. Either way, no.
Problem with the Falcons and Patriots both losing is I'm gonna have a hard time giving a fuck who wins the Super Bowl. :hmm:
Quote from: Neil on January 20, 2013, 09:26:25 PM
This is a little bit crazy.
Seedy's a crazy guy. ;)
Did the pats piss off the NFL? Refs don't seem to be making weird pro Pats calls.
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:30:18 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 20, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:27:05 PM
Ray Lewis didn't see anything when Pollard knocked out Vereen
It was Ridley, and he basically knocked himself out.
Yeah it was Ridley. Is it not a helmet-to-helmet hit when it's a running play? (not a rhetorical question)
No. The helmet-to-helmet only matter for defenseless receivers and QBs.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 20, 2013, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:30:18 PM
Yeah it was Ridley. Is it not a helmet-to-helmet hit when it's a running play? (not a rhetorical question)
No. The RB isn't defenseless, although as we've seen in this game, that term doesn't really mean what it seems like it means. Either way, no.
fair enough
One of the many reasons I'm not a pro athlete is that I would just spend the rest of the game trying to take out Pollard's knees if I was on the Patriots
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 20, 2013, 09:32:14 PM
Problem with the Falcons and Patriots both losing is I'm gonna have a hard time giving a fuck who wins the Super Bowl. :hmm:
That has been me for last 18years, so boo hoo
Pats D is tired. Couple more first downs will break their backs.
Hey Leach getting a carry! I like it.
E: and another one. Leach rules.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 20, 2013, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:30:18 PM
Yeah it was Ridley. Is it not a helmet-to-helmet hit when it's a running play? (not a rhetorical question)
No. The RB isn't defenseless, although as we've seen in this game, that term doesn't really mean what it seems like it means. Either way, no.
League won't be happy until guys like Pollard finally adjust their play style from torso hits and start detonating knees on a weekly basis.
The league's Marquee running backs aren't so marquee when they're all on crutches.
Great game by the Ravens. Pats blew a ton of opportunities in the first three quarters and losing Talib really hurt. But the Ravens played great red zone defense. It's too bad they are so loathsome.
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:33:24 PM
One of the many reasons I'm not a pro athlete is that I would just spend the rest of the game trying to take out Pollard's knees if I was on the Patriots
That's why you root for evil.
Ray Lewis is a great guy except for that one time
i don't think I've ever seen the Pats successfully onside kick so winning will be difficult
I believe I speak for most of a western civilization that doesn't include Berkut that the Ravens saved us all from another Super Bowl Brady/Belichick media masturbation frenzy.
It's a matter of degrees, but it still matters.
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:40:37 PM
i don't think I've ever seen the Pats successfully onside kick score in the last two-and-half quartersso winning will be difficult
I really like the 49ers but I can't stand the Harbaughs. It's going to be a long two weeks.
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:43:27 PM
I really like the 49ers but I can't stand the Harbaughs. It's going to be a long two weeks.
Coming from a Belicheat fan, than means...nothing.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 09:42:45 PM
I believe I speak for most of a western civilization that doesn't include Berkut that the Ravens saved us all from another Super Bowl Brady/Belichick media masturbation frenzy.
It's a matter of degrees, but it still matters.
I get that most people without a rooting interest are sick of the Patriots but I don't think any neutral observers want to hear about the Harbaughs or, worse, Ray Lewis
OK now I think it's over
Quote from: katmai on January 20, 2013, 09:34:49 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 20, 2013, 09:32:14 PM
Problem with the Falcons and Patriots both losing is I'm gonna have a hard time giving a fuck who wins the Super Bowl. :hmm:
That has been me for last 18years, so boo hoo
The Patriots have been in 6 times in that span, so there to root against 1/3 of the time. No appearances by Dolphins since 1985. :(
Fuck you, Brady.
Anyone want to talk some English Premier League? Football is so 2004. :cool:
Yeah that is game. Time to get ready for the Harbowl.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 20, 2013, 09:46:38 PM
Fuck you, Brady.
Why do you hate Tom Brady? Aren't you a Houston fan?
:yeah:
I just came.
Hey Tim, you can't win if you don't cheat. :contract:
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Good game Ravens, hope you get murdered by the 49ers in two weeks.
Man, that was the best thing I've ever seen. Remember, I wasn't watching the NFL back in 2000.
Superbowl!
Quote from: katmai on January 20, 2013, 09:15:04 PM
Just a damn shame Ray Ray's last game is gonna be a Superbowl Loss
This is good.
I :wub: Brady bitchface. I hope he punches Giselle in the stomach.
We'll see. Either way, this is the way the Superbowl is meant to be: Two great teams battling it out for everything.
Shannon Sharpe was right on the money calling Belichick out.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 20, 2013, 09:24:40 PM
No. Sports are about the collective community experience. If it wasn't, I wouldn't watch it.
Bullshit. The communitas of sports is about fans becoming equal, not about fans becoming one with the players. You can high five the guy you never met in the stands and scream and shout even as the guy behind you who is no longer an asshole shouts too, but you can't run on the field without a 250 lb cop jumping you and beating your calves with a billy club.
You can say "we" about the college team from the university you are an alumni of, you can't about a sports team.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 10:14:50 PM
Shannon Sharpe was right on the money calling Belichick out.
My wife and I got so excited about that we rewound the program to hear it again.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 10:14:50 PM
Shannon Sharpe was right on the money calling Belichick out.
What did belichick do this time? Just acting like a bitch or what
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 20, 2013, 10:16:48 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 10:14:50 PM
Shannon Sharpe was right on the money calling Belichick out.
What did belichick do this time? Just acting like a bitch or what
He refused the CBS post-game interview and sent some poor, hapless DL out instead.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on January 20, 2013, 10:18:54 PM
He refused the CBS post-game interview and sent some poor, hapless DL out instead.
:lol: My wife just rewound it when I mentioned Sharpe calling him out. What a douche.
Quote from: PDH on January 20, 2013, 10:16:05 PM
Bullshit. The communitas of sports is about fans becoming equal, not about fans becoming one with the players. You can high five the guy you never met in the stands and scream and shout even as the guy behind you who is no longer an asshole shouts too, but you can't run on the field without a 250 lb cop jumping you and beating your calves with a billy club.
You can say "we" about the college team from the university you are an alumni of, you can't about a sports team.
I disagree. Someone who happened to go to the educational institution that a team played for is no more or less entitled to use "we" than someone who grew up in the geographic area of a pro team.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 20, 2013, 10:16:48 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 10:14:50 PM
Shannon Sharpe was right on the money calling Belichick out.
What did belichick do this time? Just acting like a bitch or what
Refused the post-game interview with CBS' SteveTasker.
At the very end of the post-game broadcast, Shannon said there's something to be said about being gracious in defeat: we've seen New England win plenty of these games, and Belichick had no problem doing them, nor the many coaches who've lost those games to NE and still did the stand-up thing by doing the post-game interview anyway.
Said Bill Belichick does this after every big loss, and he makes it really easy to root against the New England Patriots sometimes.
Bravo, Shannon.
edit: hell, you saw it. :P
I'm going to tune in to the local sports talk radio station, and listen to Ravens fans call in, saying how they're still not totally sold on Joe Flacco in the Big Game.
JOE DIDNT WIN THIS AS MUCH AS BRADY LOST IT
START TYROD TAYLOR AGAINST THE NINERS PLZ
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 10:24:38 PM
I'm going to tune in to the local sports talk radio station, and listen to Ravens fans call in, saying how they're still not totally sold on Joe Flacco in the Big Game.
JOE DIDNT WIN THIS AS MUCH AS BRADY LOST IT
START TYROD TAYLOR AGAINST THE NINERS PLZ
:lol: If my brother weren't backpacking down in Tennessee I'd have called him up tonight to give him shit. He never gives Flacco his due. Well, he did last week but other than that, never.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
Refused the post-game interview with CBS' SteveTasker.
At the very end of the post-game broadcast, Shannon said there's something to be said about being gracious in defeat: we've seen New England win plenty of these games, and Belichick had no problem doing them, nor the many coaches who've lost those games to NE and still did the stand-up thing by doing the post-game interview anyway.
Said Bill Belichick does this after every big loss, and he makes it really easy to root against the New England Patriots sometimes.
Bravo, Shannon.
edit: hell, you saw it. :P
:D I can dig a good transcript, too.
I didn't stick around for the post game but I'm just impressed you were able to understand Sharpe when he attempted to speak. It's like Mr. Ed if Mr. Ed couldn't talk.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 20, 2013, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
Refused the post-game interview with CBS' SteveTasker.
At the very end of the post-game broadcast, Shannon said there's something to be said about being gracious in defeat: we've seen New England win plenty of these games, and Belichick had no problem doing them, nor the many coaches who've lost those games to NE and still did the stand-up thing by doing the post-game interview anyway.
Said Bill Belichick does this after every big loss, and he makes it really easy to root against the New England Patriots sometimes.
Bravo, Shannon.
edit: hell, you saw it. :P
:D I can dig a good transcript, too.
I missed it. Had to conjure up some food for an almost 5-year old who was "full" after three bites of dinner but decided he was hungry right before bedtime.
Anyway, good to hear someone saying what needed to be said.
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 10:28:57 PM
I didn't stick around for the post game but I'm just impressed you were able to understand Sharpe when he attempted to speak. It's like Mr. Ed if Mr. Ed couldn't talk.
Now, now, let's not get all Southie negro-hating. It's unbecoming.
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Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on January 20, 2013, 10:21:28 PM
I disagree. Someone who happened to go to the educational institution that a team played for is no more or less entitled to use "we" than someone who grew up in the geographic area of a pro team.
Screw that. Too many sunshine soldiers and summer patriots to allow that. When you suffer through classes at 8am when hungover AND wondering where your underwear is after last night, all the while with half a sunburned face from the low sun on that October saturday...then you are both a student and a fan.
There is something special about the university experience.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 10:14:50 PM
Shannon Sharpe was right on the money calling Belichick out.
No shit. That's staying on my DVR.
Quote from: Terrell SuggsThat's funny, ever since SpyGate they haven't been able to win.
Quote from: SuggsThese are the most arrogant pricks in the world starting with Belichick on down.
Quote from: SuggsTell them to have fun at the Pro Bowl. Arrogant Fuckers.
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I came again.
The best thing about Tom Brady losing is Tom Brady lost.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 20, 2013, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: Terrell SuggsThat's funny, ever since SpyGate they haven't been able to win.
Quote from: SuggsThese are the most arrogant pricks in the world starting with Belichick on down.
Quote from: SuggsTell them to have fun at the Pro Bowl. Arrogant Fuckers.
:lol:
Not classy, but fuck the Patriots.
Shannon Sharpe must be terribly disappointed in the Ravens' behavior. And it's so out of character!
http://deadspin.com/5966828/court-orders-terrell-suggs-to-turn-over-all-seven-of-his-guns-after-he-allegedly-punched-his-girlfriend-and-dragged-her-alongside-a-car
Suggs just trafficks in the truth.
You saw the billboard outside Boston that was up all week, didn't you?
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Bet it came down fast tonight.
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 10:42:43 PM
Shannon Sharpe must be terribly disappointed in the Ravens' behavior. And it's so out of character!
http://deadspin.com/5966828/court-orders-terrell-suggs-to-turn-over-all-seven-of-his-guns-after-he-allegedly-punched-his-girlfriend-and-dragged-her-alongside-a-car
He got them back, and married her last month. He's so romantic. :wub:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 10:42:43 PM
Shannon Sharpe must be terribly disappointed in the Ravens' behavior. And it's so out of character!
http://deadspin.com/5966828/court-orders-terrell-suggs-to-turn-over-all-seven-of-his-guns-after-he-allegedly-punched-his-girlfriend-and-dragged-her-alongside-a-car
He got them back, and married her last month. He's so romantic. :wub:
:lol:
Countmoveon.org's tiny balled up fists of fury and tears is about the best thing here tonight.
Quote from: PDH on January 20, 2013, 10:33:28 PM
Screw that. Too many sunshine soldiers and summer patriots to allow that. When you suffer through classes at 8am when hungover AND wondering where your underwear is after last night, all the while with half a sunburned face from the low sun on that October saturday...then you are both a student and a fan.
There is something special about the university experience.
Eh, maybe I just see things differently since I didn't have the traditional university experience and my school didn't have a football team until I was a senior (and didn't play a real season until the year after). I certainly know plenty of UT and OU fans/alum who would agree with you.
On the other hand, you have guys like Fireman Ed and Dolfan Denny, who go well above what your average college or pro fan does. To say they and fans like them are less a part of a team than someone who happened to go to a university and go to a few home games is ridiculous. Its a matter of devotion, not affiliation. Hell, I think fans like the aforementioned have more right to use "we" than some of the free agent mercenaries actually on the teams. :P
Fireman Ed can eat shit.
Being a longtime Dolphins fan, I agree. :P However, he is one devoted motherfucker, even if his devotion is... misplaced.
Awesome. That'll teach you to gank a Niners' fan.
QuoteAn Atlanta Falcons fan was stabbed in the neck during an altercation outside the Georgia Dome following Sunday's NFC Championship Game, Channel 2 Action News in Atlanta reported.
The victim, a 35-year-old male, was stabbed after punching a San Francisco 49ers fan, witnesses told Channel 2 Action News. After being punched, the 49ers fan stabbed the Falcons fan in the throat area, according to the report.
The Falcons fan was transported to nearby Grady Hospital.
Georgia Dome spokesman Jason Kirksey emailed a statement to The Associated Press on Sunday saying an altercation occurred in a parking lot outside the dome at 6:40 p.m. ET.
The statement says he is in stable condition and that it is unclear "if anyone involved in the altercation attended the game." Georgia Dome and Atlanta police "are investigating the incident."
QuoteLittle brother is the betting favorite in Super Bowl XLVII.
Jim Harbaugh's 49ers are five-point favorites over John Harbaugh's Baltimore Ravens, according to the opening line established by the Las Vegas Sports Consultants.
That line is given to the sports books at the Las Vegas casinos, which adjust the number based on the flow of money. The goal is to draw equal action on both sides (favorite and underdog).
The over/under is 49.5.
The betting favorite has won six of the past nine Super Bowls.
The only underdogs to win in that span are the New York Giants (2008, 2012) and New Orleans (2010).
It will be one heck of a slobbernocker!
Yes it will. Copernicus and his performance will be the X factor.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2013, 12:30:46 AM
Awesome. That'll teach you to gank a Niners' fan.
QuoteAn Atlanta Falcons fan was stabbed in the neck during an altercation outside the Georgia Dome following Sunday's NFC Championship Game, Channel 2 Action News in Atlanta reported.
The victim, a 35-year-old male, was stabbed after punching a San Francisco 49ers fan, witnesses told Channel 2 Action News. After being punched, the 49ers fan stabbed the Falcons fan in the throat area, according to the report.
The Falcons fan was transported to nearby Grady Hospital.
Georgia Dome spokesman Jason Kirksey emailed a statement to The Associated Press on Sunday saying an altercation occurred in a parking lot outside the dome at 6:40 p.m. ET.
The statement says he is in stable condition and that it is unclear "if anyone involved in the altercation attended the game." Georgia Dome and Atlanta police "are investigating the incident."
Damn, how'd Ray Lewis get to New England in time for his game?
:lol: Such sore losers up there.
Bet you dissed Steve Tasker, too.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 20, 2013, 10:43:32 PM
Bet it came down fast tonight.
Maybe they just reset it for 14 days
That'll be enough outta you too, Knee Cap.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2013, 12:50:12 AM
That'll be enough outta you too, Knee Cap.
Fine I will leave mocking the Pats to the pros.
Rocked my old Ray Lewis jersey to the bar tonight to rep for the Ravens with a few friends who are Mobtown transplants. The bar we were at had a 75% Patriots fanbase made up of Giants, Cowboys, Falcons, and Patriots fans. The post halftime blowout was incredibly fun to partake in. Every team I rooted for today won (Sabres, 49ers, Ravens). In the words of Ice Cube: It was a good day.
BA: Didn't have to use his AK.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2013, 12:50:12 AM
That'll be enough outta you too, Knee Cap.
But he has a point. Win or lose, 13 days from now is the Ray Lewis retirement party. It's just that if he wins, he also gets a parade.
Fuck, after 2 weeks of listening to lame-ass ESPN talk about brothers coaching against each other in the Super Bowl, we'll all deserve a parade.
Or you could just change the channel.
You could always, you know, not listen.
Quote from: dps on January 21, 2013, 09:12:47 AM
Fuck, after 2 weeks of listening to lame-ass ESPN talk about brothers coaching against each other in the Super Bowl, we'll all deserve a parade.
After 11 years of Belchick's "genius" , Brady's race to Montanadom, I think we can tolerate 2 weeks of chatter of something else other than Manning, Brady and Rapistburger.
QuoteAsked to explain how disappointed he was, Belichick grew exasperated.
"We're obviously disappointed that we didn't win," Belichick said. "I don't know. I said that right off the bat. We're disappointed in the results. What else do you want me to say?"
Belichick said "disappointed" or "disappointing" seven times in his comments to the media, and that was his theme from the start.
I liked his response about what he thought of the fumble and the review.
Quote from: dps on January 21, 2013, 09:12:47 AM
Fuck, after 2 weeks of listening to lame-ass ESPN talk about brothers coaching against each other in the Super Bowl, we'll all deserve a parade.
If only the Dolphins had won the AFC. Then we could have had a Bush vs. Gore Super Bowl.
he he
Quote from: Count on January 20, 2013, 09:47:23 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 20, 2013, 09:46:38 PM
Fuck you, Brady.
Why do you hate Tom Brady? Aren't you a Houston fan?
Probably for the same reason as the rest of us, he's a cry baby bitch. Watching him choke two drives in a row was delicious. :menace:
I think we should talk more about how brothers are going to be coaching against eachother in the Superbowl.
I fully expect 90 percent of harbowl references I come across to be on Languish.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 21, 2013, 03:40:32 PM
I think we should talk more about how brothers are going to be coaching against eachother in the Superbowl.
Yes, because we'd all much rather hear yet another Super Bowl's run-up of two weeks of Belichick's "genius" and Brady's "magic".
Yeah, fuck you guys. The media will always find a way to beat any Superbowl story into the ground. At least this time, the stories have nothing to do with Brady or Belichick. Instead, you get the brothers, Kaepernick's coming out party, Flacco's stepping up and Ray Lewis' last ride.
And probably Billy Cundiff kicking in the Superbowl against his old team. If he shanks one in the Superbowl, I'm going to laugh.
I've been looking forward to the possibility of a Har-bowl, so hopefully I won't tire of the hype. Helps to have teams you like or at least don't hate in it. Plus if the Ravens win I can dismissively say "yeah, we beat 'em in week 17" :P
Quote from: derspiess on January 21, 2013, 04:27:08 PM
I've been looking forward to the possibility of a Har-bowl, so hopefully I won't tire of the hype. Helps to have teams you like or at least don't hate in it. Plus if the Ravens win I can dismissively say "yeah, we beat 'em in week 17" :P
That crippling loss to the Bengals that gave them the drive to succeed and hopefully ended Tyrod Taylor's career? It certainly gave the Bengals a bright spot, having beaten both the dominant teams in the AFC North.
Speaking of the AFC North, I really hadn't realized what a shitshow the Steelers' 2012 draft class turned into, what with the injuries and DUIs and womanbeating and sucking.
Hmm, people seem to think it matters which dumb storyline they run into the ground for two weeks. The point is that it will be dumb and it doesn't matter who gets into the superbowl but there will be an overly repetitive dumb storyline.
I just zone out the Superbowl stories in the two weeks before the game. Just like I don't turn on the TV until a couple of hours before the game. It is a shitshow always, at least this year it is a new flavor of shit being flung around rather than people talking about the same old garbage.
Quote from: Neil on January 21, 2013, 04:25:32 PM
And probably Billy Cundiff kicking in the Superbowl against his old team. If he shanks one in the Superbowl, I'm going to laugh.
Did they resign him? Cause they cut him last week. I mean yeah sure they don't have great confidence in Akers, but haven't heard about trying to bring in a kicker again before the Super Bowl.
Quote from: Neil on January 21, 2013, 04:31:13 PM
That crippling loss to the Bengals that gave them the drive to succeed and hopefully ended Tyrod Taylor's career? It certainly gave the Bengals a bright spot, having beaten both the dominant teams in the AFC North.
I was being facetious. It was nice to pick up a tenth win this season, but everyone knows it was a meaningless game with key personnel on both sides sitting out for a good portion of it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2013, 04:13:15 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 21, 2013, 03:40:32 PM
I think we should talk more about how brothers are going to be coaching against eachother in the Superbowl.
Yes, because we'd all much rather hear yet another Super Bowl's run-up of two weeks of Belichick's "genius" and Brady's "magic".
I actually wasnt being sarcastic that time.
Quote from: katmai on January 21, 2013, 04:42:08 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 21, 2013, 04:25:32 PM
And probably Billy Cundiff kicking in the Superbowl against his old team. If he shanks one in the Superbowl, I'm going to laugh.
Did they resign him? Cause they cut him last week. I mean yeah sure they don't have great confidence in Akers, but haven't heard about trying to bring in a kicker again before the Super Bowl.
I hadn't heard, but they have to do something about Akers. Kaepernick has made them less dependent on field goals, but it's still pretty odd for such a good team to have such a demonstrably bad kicker.
Heh considering he set records last year it is amazing to see how much he's regressed.
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Anna's balled up little Belifists of rage makes me hard.
Not sure why Mrs. Welker is proud of a guy that dropped a pass that hit him between the numbers.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2013, 05:26:30 PM
Anna's balled up little Belifists of rage makes me hard.
I posted that, just for you. :)
I'm inspecting her photos right now.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 21, 2013, 05:27:36 PM
Not sure why Mrs. Welker is proud of a guy that dropped a pass that hit him between the numbers.
Then perhaps a little perspective is in order. He's a fairly well-known NFL player. Not a fan myself, but come on.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 21, 2013, 05:29:55 PM
I'm inspecting her photos right now.
http://gridironexperts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/anna_burns_6.jpg (NSFW)
Rub a dub in the tub.
el oh el
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Quote from: Ed Anger on January 21, 2013, 05:36:36 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 21, 2013, 05:29:55 PM
I'm inspecting her photos right now.
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Rub a dub in the tub.
That's safe for work, unless you work at BYU (sorry, Jaron).
QuoteSunday's AFC championship game between the Baltimore Ravens and New England Patriots was the most watched TV program since last year's Super Bowl.
A national audience of 47.7 million watched the Ravens beat the Patriots 28-13 to advance to the Super Bowl on Feb. 3, according to Nielsen's Fast National ratings.
The San Francisco 49ers victory over the Atlanta Falcons was seen by 42 million viewers Sunday on Fox.
The Ravens game was carried on CBS, which will also telecast the Super Bowl.
QuoteBill Belichick, the longest-tenured head coach in the NFL, will return for his 14th season with the Patriots.
Belichick turns 61 in April, and he was asked during his season-ending news conference if he's got the energy to keep doing it.
"Yeah, I'll be here," Belichick said. "You'll have to deal with me again next year. I know it's disappointing for a lot of you. Until I'm told otherwise, I plan on being here."
Not an Onion article.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 21, 2013, 08:08:28 PM
QuoteSunday's AFC championship game between the Baltimore Ravens and New England Patriots was the most watched TV program since last year's Super Bowl.
A national audience of 47.7 million watched the Ravens beat the Patriots 28-13 to advance to the Super Bowl on Feb. 3, according to Nielsen's Fast National ratings.
I had it on 3 TVs most of the time so that's a little inflated.
Excellent, scary article on Ridley's collision with Pollard, and what exactly goes on inside.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1494620-stevan-ridleys-concussion-biomechanics-of-his-injury-fencing-response
Scary.
yeah happy i stopped playing football when i did, i can't afford to get lose anymore brain cells.
I stopped playing in 9th grade. That is when Phil Elm ran over me in a tackling drill and stepped on my chest and head.
I decided that I was best as neutral observer after that.
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Quote from: PDH on January 21, 2013, 10:35:56 PM
I stopped playing in 9th grade. That is when Phil Elm ran over me in a tackling drill and stepped on my chest and head.
I decided that I was best as neutral observer after that.
9th grade was when I peaked. I was tall for my age and plenty big to play offensive & defensive lineman. Starting in 10th grade everyone was catching up to me and I had no real place to fit in on offense. Played LB and corner on defense and did well enough to start, but always wanted to get back on offense.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 21, 2013, 06:23:20 PM
el oh el
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Nice!
QuoteSaying he doesn't want to be remembered as a "bust," quarterback JaMarcus Russell, who hasn't played in the NFL since 2009, is attempting a comeback.
Russell, the former No. 1 overall pick of the Raiders in 2007, has been out of football since Oakland released him after the 2009 season.
Yahoo! Sports is reporting that Russell, 27, is being mentored by former NFL receiver and fellow LSU alumnus Michael Clayton. Russell also will work out at the TEST Football Academy, which has prepared Baltimore Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco and Arizona Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson, among others, for the NFL draft.
The 6-foot-6 Russell, who reportedly weighed 320 pounds in the fall, is down to 308 pounds, according to Yahoo! Sports. In addition to his work at the TEST Football Academy, Russell will be tutored by former NFL quarterback Jeff Garcia on technique, Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk on reading defenses and several other former players, doctors and trainers.
"The last few years, the things going through my life, football is my job, and it is how it feeds my family. People would say [that] I didn't love the game, but that pisses me off," Russell told Yahoo! Sports. "People don't know the real you, but I want people to know the real me and see what I can do. People are always saying that I'm a bust. I want to show them I'm not. I'm committed to this now."
Russell won only seven of his 25 starts in his career with Oakland. He completed just 52.1 percent of his passes in his career with 18 touchdowns, 23 interceptions, 15 lost fumbles and a passer rating of 65.2.
He was paid approximately $39 million for his three seasons with the Raiders.
Russell was charged with felony possession of a controlled substance, a drink containing codeine syrup, when sheriff's officers raided his home in July 2010. A grand jury, however, ultimately declined to indict him on the charges later that year.
Former NBA player John Lucas had been serving as Russell's life coach in late 2010, but the pair severed their relationship in 2011.
Yahoo! Sports reported that Russell, trying to make up for his past mistakes, has regularly spoken with youth groups about his arrest and poor decisions he has made.
"I'm not looking for a pat on the shoulder from people who haven't been there for me," Russell told the website. "It feels funny not to go through a training camp, that's just what I'm used to. It's going to feel good to go back out there again. I will make this happen."
Heh.
QuoteThanks to Baltimore Ravens punter Sam Koch, Nebraska's Super Bowl streak lives on.
According to Dan Apple, the assistant director of communications for Florida's football program who has compiled the data, at least one former Cornhusker has been on one of the teams in the big game for each of the past 20 years. That is the longest streak by any college in the country.
The streak has nearly been shattered in each of the past three seasons, as just one player on either team was a former Cornhusker. In 2011 it was Green Bay Packers running back Brandon Jackson. The next year it was New York Giants cornerback Prince Amukamara, and now it's Koch.
Who is No. 2? Purdue and Notre Dame are tied with a 14-year streak. In terms of overall participation, Penn State leads the way. A former Nittany Lion has competed in 42 of the 47 Super Bowls, with 49ers linebacker NaVorro Bowman being this year's representative. Not bad, Big Ten.
"Ray Lewis" visits SNL's Weekend Update.
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/weekend-update-ray-lewis/n32030
And for those of you Ray Haters who missed it in 2000--
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1yzeo_tv-funhouse-ray-lewis_fun
:D
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:D
Sure he never wanted to be outed like this.
QuoteThe NFL has no current players and startlingly few ex-players who are known to be gay, but it appears ex-49ers and Raiders offensive tackle Kwame Harris, a former first-round pick, has involuntarily been added to the list as a result of the legal fallout from a fight at a restaurant.
According to the San Mateo Daily Journal, a dispute over soy sauce at Su Hong restaurant in Menlo Park, Calif. last Aug. 21, has landed the former NFL player in court after he assaulted his ex-boyfriend.
Chief deputy district attorney Karen Guidotti told the paper that Harris and the alleged victim had been in a romantic relationship but were not involved at the time of the incident. Harris' attorney Alin Cintean confirmed to the paper the two "were previously involved" but were just friends when the incident occurred.
Harris pleaded not guilty to felony charges of domestic violence causing great bodily injury and assault with force likely to produce great bodily injury, the Daily Journal said. The dispute started when Harris got upset at his friend, Dimitri Geier, for pouring soy sauce on a plate of rice.
According to the paper, which was citing a suit filed in San Mateo County Superior Court, the two argued for seven minutes after the soy sauce was poured, and Harris said he wasn't going to take Geier to the airport as he had said he would. When the two went to get Geier's belongings from Harris' car, Harris accused Geier of stealing his underwear and tried pulling the man's pants down.
Geier tried unsuccessfully to get away, and Harris shook Geier and punched his arms, the paper said. Harris is 6-foot-7 and 240 pounds and Geier is 6-1, 220 pounds. The paper said Geier allegedly struck Harris three times in the face, and then Harris punched Geier several times in the face.
Geier was taken to an emergency room, and had surgery to repair broken orbital bones and required a metal plate to fix the damage, the paper said. The Daily Journal said Geier has filed a civil suit against Harris for assault, battery, false imprisonment, negligence and both intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress. Harris could also face up to seven years in prison if convicted, Guidotti told the paper.
Harris played at Stanford and was a first-round pick of the 49ers in 2003. He played in 86 NFL games, starting 55, including 11 games during his lone season with the Raiders in 2008. That was the last time he played in the NFL.
Harris' lawyer told the paper his client was acting in self-defense and that Geier is just trying to get money through the civil suit.
"We're looking forward to having this proven in court and clearing his name," Cintean said.
Gay fights can be nasty as shit to witness, but
QuoteHarris is 6-foot-7 and 240 pounds and Geier is 6-1, 220 pounds
damn, that's a lot of beef trying to scratch out your eyes.
NFL Network is reporting that the Jets are looking at Jamarcus Russel.
There are times when 'LOLZ' just isn't enough.
Quote from: Neil on January 29, 2013, 11:17:06 PM
NFL Network is reporting that the Jets are looking at Jamarcus Russel.
There are times when 'LOLZ' just isn't enough.
Maybe they should just get Ryan Leaf to try a comeback.
Though apparantly, they'd have to bust him out of prison first.
I can't throw a football to save my life but I don't weight 300 pounds. Jets, want me to help?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 30, 2013, 07:53:28 AM
I can't throw a football to save my life
Neither can Russel. :P
Quote from: Neil on January 29, 2013, 11:17:06 PM
NFL Network is reporting that the Jets are looking at Jamarcus Russel.
There are times when 'LOLZ' just isn't enough.
Pretty sad. Fatso loses like 10 pounds and all the sudden his is starting this big comeback. Nobody should touch this guy until he gets back to 270 or 260.
Hey Seedy, can you ask Ray Lewis if ground deer antlers have murder-enhancing properties?
Pfft.
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:P
Quote from: Valmy on January 30, 2013, 09:14:51 AM
Quote from: Neil on January 29, 2013, 11:17:06 PM
NFL Network is reporting that the Jets are looking at Jamarcus Russel.
There are times when 'LOLZ' just isn't enough.
Pretty sad. Fatso loses like 10 pounds and all the sudden his is starting this big comeback. Nobody should touch this guy until he gets back to 270 or 260.
At his current weight, it might be hard not to touch him if you're on a bus with him.
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http://deadspin.com/5980173/the-haters-guide-to-ray-lewis (http://deadspin.com/5980173/the-haters-guide-to-ray-lewis)
The comments are awesome, especially this one:
QuoteStacker2 (http://deadspin.com/people/Stacker2) 2 days ago What about the six kids by four women outside of marriage? Very Christlike way of raising a family.
I get physically angry when I hear "Ray Lewis". Like, fists clenching and shit. He's a constant, camera-loving reminder that shitheads are frequently rewarded in life and there's nothing you can do about it.
/Steeler fan
/yes our QB is a rapist
/but still only 3rd in AFC North criminality
Ugh. Gawker.
Who's #1 AFC North Criminials?
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 01, 2013, 10:19:18 PM
Who's #1 AFC North Criminials?
Nobody's had more arrests the last several years than the Derspeiss Boys.
I pretty much despise both teams by this point. I guess I'm rooting for Bane to blow up the field when the Niners have the ball.
OTOH:
QuoteRay Lewis is a self-serving religious freak and clearly a fucking asshole, and will no doubt burn in Hell for helping murder two people and then snitching on this buddies, but I still want him and the Ravens to kick the 49ers' asses because who wants that city winning another championship? They already got 2 of the last 3 World Series' rings. They're already 5-0 in Super Bowls. They've won an NBA title (albeit a long time ago) and don't have to suffer with having an NHL team. So, FUCK YOU, San Fran.
Hall of Fame results are in:
Larry Allen
Jonathon Ogden
Warren Sapp
Cris Carter
Bill Parcells
Curly Culp
Dave Robinson
Allen, Ogden and Sapp were on the ballot for the first time.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/allen-ogden-sapp-highlight-hall-233006372.html
JJ Watt won DPOY with all but one of the possible votes. 20.5 sacks, 23 tfl, 16 batted passes. Apparently, he beat out 1999 Ray Lewis in 'defeats' 56 to 45 for most all time. Von Miller had 39 this year, seventh best all time.
Is a 'defeat' some new kind of stat?
Still, Watt was a total monster for most of the season, so I think that's a pretty well-earned award. Richard Sherman had a great year, but as good as he was at shutting guys down, Watt was just more disruptive.
A defeat is a tfl or turnover forced or pdef or tackle that ended a drive.
Quote from: sbr on February 02, 2013, 06:34:04 PM
Hall of Fame results are in:
Even dead, they're giving Modell the shaft. Hope when the NFL counts its television revenue dollars after tonight's game, they remember that.
They said no to Eddie and Haley too, fucking joke.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 03, 2013, 01:45:42 AM
A defeat is a tfl or turnover forced or pdef or tackle that ended a drive.
You tackle a guy on 3rd and 10 after 8 yards and get a "defeat?" That's retarded.
Quote from: Neil on February 03, 2013, 12:02:13 AM
Is a 'defeat' some new kind of stat?
Whatever it is, yeah, it's retarded alright. Why can't a TFL just be a TFL? Why does it have to be a "defeat", when there could be multiple players involved in how it develops?
I mean, if a guard has a pulling assignment on the 4 gap on a run, and the dog backer shoots the open gap, and the fullback misses the block and the ball carrier is tackled for a loss, who exactly is defeated? The guard? The fullback? The ball carrier? WTF?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 03, 2013, 12:02:13 AM
Is a 'defeat' some new kind of stat?
Whatever it is, yeah, it's retarded alright. Why can't a TFL just be a TFL? Why does it have to be a "defeat", when there could be multiple players involved in how it develops?
I mean, if a guard has a pulling assignment on the 4 gap on a run, and the dog backer shoots the open gap, and the fullback misses the block and the ball carrier is tackled for a loss, who exactly is defeated? The guard? The fullback? The ball carrier? WTF?
Offensive coordinator.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 03:21:56 PM
I mean, if a guard has a pulling assignment on the 4 gap on a run, and the dog backer shoots the open gap, and the fullback misses the block and the ball carrier is tackled for a loss, who exactly is defeated?
Your composition professor.
:lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 03:21:56 PM
Whatever it is, yeah, it's retarded alright. Why can't a TFL just be a TFL? Why does it have to be a "defeat", when there could be multiple players involved in how it develops?
I mean, if a guard has a pulling assignment on the 4 gap on a run, and the dog backer shoots the open gap, and the fullback misses the block and the ball carrier is tackled for a loss, who exactly is defeated? The guard? The fullback? The ball carrier? WTF?
The offense. And a TFL is still a TFL, lefty. They've just combined it with other things here to get an overall picture of how a player is performing.
QuoteYou tackle a guy on 3rd and 10 after 8 yards and get a "defeat?" That's retarded.
You just made the offense punt, so yeah, that's a defeat. It doesn't matter how many yards they got, they're giving the ball back to your offense. If they don't punt, you don't get one until you stop them on 4th down. The drive has to end because of the play made.
The defeat stat is one of football outsiders things, you spergy fuckin mooks. I just shows basically how much a defensive player is kicking ass, and includes a lot of things. It's not that difficult to understand. Stop nuking it.
QuoteDefeats: The total number of plays by a defensive player that prevent the offense from gaining first down yardage on third or fourth down, stop the offense behind the line of scrimmage, or result in a turnover. "Plays" refers to tackles, passes defensed, fumbles forced, or interceptions. See Stops.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/glossary
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 03, 2013, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 03:21:56 PM
I mean, if a guard has a pulling assignment on the 4 gap on a run, and the dog backer shoots the open gap, and the fullback misses the block and the ball carrier is tackled for a loss, who exactly is defeated?
Your composition professor.
The Lord will see me through it. No weapon forged, etc.
So who's this game between, over here I've only seen a piece about Mardi gras and the restored superdome. :bowler:
Between hippies/homos and gang-bangers. Er, San Francisco and Baltimore.
I better get my free pizza code from Papa John's.
That was a nice pass by Flacco for the TD. I liked the Audi commercial. Like a fuckin boss.
Kruger like a boss.
Kruger? I'm about 10 minutes behind right now. The wife insisted on watching a bunch of shit before kickoff so we rewound the thing. Women. :rolleyes:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 03, 2013, 06:57:09 PM
Kruger? I'm about 10 minutes behind right now. The wife insisted on watching a bunch of shit before kickoff so we rewound the thing. Women. :rolleyes:
Son, I am disappoint.
Oops, sorry. :mellow:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 03, 2013, 06:57:09 PM
Kruger? I'm about 10 minutes behind right now. The wife insisted on watching a bunch of shit before kickoff so we rewound the thing. Women. :rolleyes:
you, sir, don't deserve to watch the super bowl.
Goddamn I don't understand how I watched anything on that other TV. Now I need a new one for the back too. :P
Oh there's Kruger. Nice play.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 03, 2013, 06:59:15 PM
Son, I am disappoint.
Quote from: HVCyou, sir, don't deserve to watch the super bowl.
:D I made her fast forward through the kids/survivors singing or whatever that was, but mostly let it go because it means I can fast forward through a lot of stupid halftime shit. Like whatever garbage Beyonce rolls out with, for example.
E: Back here in the past, Ed Reed is just coming back out of the locker room.
Commercials have been ok. Looking forward to the Fast and Furious 6 movie.
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 03, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
Looking forward to the Fast and Furious 6 movie.
Son, I am disappoint.
Peter king says cory Williams pushed an official in that scrum. If so ravens got lucky.
If he had, the ref would've thrown it. That's a "Duh" right there.
Now that call was personal, little brother.
Periera said the same thing, he pushed the linesman.
Both comments were in twitter btw.
Somebody sign that 9 year old girl.
Well, if CBS didn't do such shoddy work, we'd have been able to see it.
That Taco Bell commercial withe the seniors was hilarious, but the Sketcher's commercial was offensive.
I kinda liked the old peeps Taco Hell commercial.
Holy Crap!
What the fuck. Jacoby jones.
Talk about clutch.
Culliver must have thought Jones was gay.
The Prom and the Reggae Man are the cream of the crop so far.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 03, 2013, 07:51:18 PM
The Prom and the Reggae Man are the cream of the crop so far.
Yeah, the prom's been the best one tonight.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 03, 2013, 07:51:18 PM
The Prom and the Reggae Man are the cream of the crop so far.
Both good, yes.
Hahaha get some, Jacoby.
That was an interesting stat they put up: 1st interception thrown by a 49er QB in Super Bowl history. Joe and Steve are sorely disappointed.
Presumably the singer will be tempted to adlib a bit, just to prove she's definitely not miming.
Beyonce's thighs are the kind any man would honored to be crushed to death by.
I don't care about her voice, this is the first halftime show in a long time I don't want.to get up and pee
worst half time show ever.
Quote from: sbr on February 03, 2013, 08:18:26 PM
I don't care about her voice, this is the first halftime show in a long time I don't want.to get up and pee
Do you have a beer bottle to hand or is it a 'difficulty' ?
Quote from: HVC on February 03, 2013, 08:20:55 PM
worst half time show ever.
Beats the Stones, The Who, or any other old ass Baby Boomer band nobody gives a shit about anymore.
I didn't have to go that bad, but I would have rather missed the kickoff than beyonce shaking her thang.
Seedy, Jeep sneaked in a good one, made me tear up. Toyota is still better.
:lol: yeah, that was a lil'' weeper.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 08:29:19 PM
:lol: yeah, that was a lil'' weeper.
My son said he would have preferred Morgan Freeman to Oprah. He is right, that would have been awesome.
Jacoby gets more. :)
E: Haha was that the kicker that Leach took out?
Ha, game over ?
Quote from: mongers on February 03, 2013, 08:32:52 PM
Ha, game over ?
it's never over until it's over... but ya, it's over :D
109 yard kickoff return, in 11 seconds, that's crazy talk.
what kind of halftime show was that. She lip syncing that too. Fake ass
LOL. What a massacre.
I'd like beyonce more if Jay-z wasn't tapping that ass.
Quote from: 11B4V on February 03, 2013, 08:34:56 PM
what kind of halftime show was that. She lip syncing that too. Fake ass
Nah, her ass is real, real nice too.
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 03, 2013, 08:31:32 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 08:29:19 PM
:lol: yeah, that was a lil'' weeper.
My son said he would have preferred Morgan Freeman to Oprah. He is right, that would have been awesome.
He had already done a weeper for Obama. :D
Gonna be at least the second time in two years that Jacoby Jones is the MVP of a playoff game for the Ravens. :P
The....lights went out? Commentary went with them?
Ha, have Chinese hackers fucked with the US utilities ? :P
Quote from: 11B4V on February 03, 2013, 08:34:56 PM
what kind of halftime show was that. She lip syncing that too. Fake ass
Who cares, could've read the Greater Chicago Metropolitan phone book as far as I was concerned.
Iron man 3 looks like ass.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 03, 2013, 08:38:33 PM
The....lights went out? Commentary went with them?
The game is over, so they are all going home.
Quote from: mongers on February 03, 2013, 08:39:12 PM
Ha, have Chinese hackers fucked with the US utilities ? :P
Obviously hating on Lay Rewis.
What a massive fuckup. Last time they should ever hold a Super Bowl at that massive public restroom.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 08:42:10 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 03, 2013, 08:39:12 PM
Ha, have Chinese hackers fucked with the US utilities ? :P
Obviously hating on Lay Rewis.
It would be ironic given you recent background, comments on this forum and being a Raven fan, if the Chinese internet drones deprived your team of victory. :P
Maybe a pissed off 49 fan?
man, the nfl really doesn't want the ravens to win :lol:
And now, Steve Tasker and Solomon Wilcots are the Walter Cronkites of the nation.
Quote from: derspiess on February 03, 2013, 08:42:47 PM
What a massive fuckup. Last time they should ever hold a Super Bowl at that massive public restroom.
:yes:
I'm guessing someone putting away all of the Beyounce kit, pulled out the wrong plug/switch. :blush:
I'm getting bored. My snack levels are low.
If the 49ers make a omeback the conspiracy theories will be fun :D
The "dim lights after the kickoff return" is the most boring halftime show ever.
Quote from: PDH on February 03, 2013, 08:53:52 PM
The "dim lights after the kickoff return" is the most boring halftime show ever.
Still beats beyonce :P
If the rest of the lights don't go on, at what point do they continue with safety/inadequate lights, surely they wouldn't abandon the game ? :unsure:
The 49ers thought they were playing Madden and they ragequit the game. LOL
Art Modell's vengeful spirit strikes.
Can we say 3rd world infrastructure ? :unsure:
Sorry guys, I gave up on watching the game and then apparently they decided to stop playing. :homestar:
Quote from: mongers on February 03, 2013, 09:06:39 PM
Can we say 3rd world infrastructure ? :unsure:
Have you ever been to New Orleans? :P
I was watching up to halftime on the plane, now I'm settled in front of my bigscreen to find that the NFL held the game for me to get there.
Thanks, power outage.
I'd like to see these subway commercials shoved up Jared's ass.
uh oh.
Quote from: HVC on February 03, 2013, 08:53:34 PM
If the 49ers make a omeback the conspiracy theories will be fun :D
Will they now.
Well, shit. Get back on that plane, Neil. You're bad luck.
Almost worth watching the game again.
This is some horrible shit.
Although, love to see David Akers being awesome.
Are you allowed to use a chokehold while tackling a guy these days?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 08:23:01 PM
Quote from: HVC on February 03, 2013, 08:20:55 PM
worst half time show ever.
Beats the Stones, The Who, or any other old ass Baby Boomer band nobody gives a shit about anymore.
I love all those bands! :mad:
Quote from: HVC on February 03, 2013, 08:53:34 PM
If the 49ers make a omeback the conspiracy theories will be fun :D
:unsure:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 03, 2013, 09:57:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 08:23:01 PM
Quote from: HVC on February 03, 2013, 08:20:55 PM
worst half time show ever.
Beats the Stones, The Who, or any other old ass Baby Boomer band nobody gives a shit about anymore.
I love all those bands! :mad:
Gee I'm shocked.
We got us a game.
Quote from: derspiess on February 03, 2013, 10:07:41 PM
We got us a game.
Well, think of it this way; how often do you get a Super Bowl double-header?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 03, 2013, 10:07:41 PM
We got us a game.
Well, think of it this way; how often do you get a Super Bowl double-header?
:lol:
Unfortunately the NFL's worst head referee is doing both games.
Quote from: derspiess on February 03, 2013, 10:12:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 03, 2013, 10:07:41 PM
We got us a game.
Well, think of it this way; how often do you get a Super Bowl double-header?
:lol:
Unfortunately the NFL's worst head referee is doing both games.
You know damn well he's not the worse. Who's that guy again? the one who doesn't even do playoffs games? Now that's the worse.
motherfucker
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 03, 2013, 10:20:10 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 03, 2013, 10:12:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 03, 2013, 10:07:41 PM
We got us a game.
Well, think of it this way; how often do you get a Super Bowl double-header?
:lol:
Unfortunately the NFL's worst head referee is doing both games.
You know damn well he's not the worse. Who's that guy again? the one who doesn't even do playoffs games? Now that's the worse.
No, he's the worst. He did a Bengals game one time & was just terrible. Worst I've ever seen. I think he announced the wrong calls more often than he got them right. And that's on top of the fact that he's impossible to understand half the time.
My adrenal glands hurt.
Both adrenal glands have gone down my pants legs, and rolled away on the floor, batted around by the cat.
No Lewis murder spree tonight, it seems.
Congrats to the Ravens. They were the better team for most of the game.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 10:38:00 PM
Both adrenal glands have gone down my pants legs, and rolled away on the floor, batted around by the cat.
:lol:
Well congratulations to Baltimore, in the general and the specific.
That's fucking awesome. They really got the heart rate up.
Lewis retires with a ring. Nice way to go out.
Ray Lewis' Superbowl count is the same as his bodycount, now. Congrats, Seedy.
Quote from: Kleves on February 03, 2013, 10:48:48 PM
Ray Lewis' Superbowl count is the same as his bodycount, now. Congrats, Seedy.
:lol: WELL ITS ONE MORE THAN LAURA BUSH NOW AINT IT
:unsure:
Didn't think that was a hold at first since it looked mutual, but on review I think the Niners got screwed.
Anyway, congrats to our resident Raventards and to me: just watched a fellow Blue Hen hoist the Lombardi trophy :cry:
My wife's favorite part of the Superbowl was Joe Flacco saying 'This is fucking great!' to Yanda.
Hell of a game.
Lewis was totally absent - definitely time for him to retire. Of course, when god is on your side, who can be against you?
Thought Boldin should have been MVP though. Clutch catch after clutch catch when Baltimore had to have a first down.
If SF had pulled it off, MVP would have had to go to whatever engineer fucked up the power.
Quote from: Berkut on February 03, 2013, 11:22:53 PM
Hell of a game.
Lewis was totally absent - definitely time for him to retire. Of course, when god is on your side, who can be against you?
:lol:
QuoteThought Boldin should have been MVP though. Clutch catch after clutch catch when Baltimore had to have a first down.
:moon:
Anyway with a Super Bowl win *and* Super Bowl MVP under his belt I hope Flacco gets the HUUUUUGE contract he deserves :shifty:
Got to hand it to Flacco he was not the QB I thought he was.
Also glad that Texas Ex Chykie Brown's um...'running into the kicker'...did not cost the Ravens the game. How about Tucker eh? So much for rookie nerves.
Also glad to see Crabtree screw it up at the end. YES I AM PETTY.
Quote from: Valmy on February 03, 2013, 11:35:06 PM
Also glad to see Crabtree screw it up at the end. YES I AM PETTY.
I wonder if he dreamed that in his head.
Anyone see flacco on nfl network? Pretty funny
Quote from: Berkut on February 03, 2013, 11:22:53 PM
Hell of a game.
Lewis was totally absent - definitely time for him to retire. Of course, when god is on your side, who can be against you?
Yeah, that's why they had Ellerbe spying on the read option instead of Ray, and even Ellerbe couldn't keep up with Kapernicus when he started going. Ray was a non-factor tonight.
QuoteThought Boldin should have been MVP though. Clutch catch after clutch catch when Baltimore had to have a first down.
Most definitely a clutch performance, but there's something to say about Jacoby Jones setting a SB record as well. First player to score an offensive TD and a special teams TD.
QuoteIf SF had pulled it off, MVP would have had to go to whatever engineer fucked up the power.
Kaper had a hell of a night.
Quote from: sbr on February 03, 2013, 11:39:13 PM
Anyone see flacco on nfl network? Pretty funny
And what did he do afterwards? Go straight to Biff Henderson from Letterman's show.
Well, San Francisco can take solace in the fact that the Niners are one of the youngest teams in the league. They're not going anywhere.
After free agency hits, the Ravens will be dismantled faster than post-war Germany.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: sbr on February 03, 2013, 11:39:13 PM
Anyone see flacco on nfl network? Pretty funny
And what did he do afterwards? Go straight to Biff Henderson from Letterman's show.
:D
How many shootings so far tonight?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
Well, San Francisco can take solace in the fact that the Niners are one of the youngest teams in the league. They're not going anywhere.
After free agency hits, the Ravens will be dismantled faster than post-war Germany.
The ravens were pretty young in 2000 weren't they?
Quote from: sbr on February 03, 2013, 11:39:13 PM
Anyone see flacco on nfl network? Pretty funny
Yeah, Joe is showing some flash.
Quote from: sbr on February 03, 2013, 11:50:21 PM
How many shootings so far tonight?
:P None so far.
Actually, even with all the mobs hitting the streets after SB35, there was not a single arrest made downtown that night.
Setting police cars on fire after a win just isn't our thing.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
After free agency hits, the Ravens will be dismantled faster than post-war Germany.
Yeah? Who is due for Free Agency?
Quote from: Valmy on February 03, 2013, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
After free agency hits, the Ravens will be dismantled faster than post-war Germany.
Yeah? Who is due for Free Agency?
They are gonna be way over the salary cap, IIRC. Adam Schefter reported that they would likely just cut Anquan Bolden for cap reasons in the off season and I don't think that buys them enough space alone.
Especially after Flacco pounds on the owner's desk and demands his 100 million.
Quote from: sbr on February 03, 2013, 11:51:20 PM
The ravens were pretty young in 2000 weren't they?
At some of the skill positions yeah, but impact guys like Siragusa, Rob Burnett, McCreary, Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe, etc., were pretty long in the tooth by then, and free agency that comes from winning a Super Bowl took a lot of role players and young impact players. Can't keep 'em all.
I hope something can be done. I don't want Tucker to share the same sad fate of Phil Dawson :(
Quote from: Berkut on February 03, 2013, 11:22:53 PM
Thought Boldin should have been MVP though. Clutch catch after clutch catch when Baltimore had to have a first down.
I wasn't sure. Boldin's six catches and hundred yards were as clutch as you get, but Jacoby Jones had two big flashy plays too. I think that the starting QB is the default MVP choice, and Joe definitely deserves credit for a great passing game against a strong D. I think the fact that he had one of the best statistical postseasons in NFL history factored in as well.
I would invite any of those "momentum is not a real thing" people to re-watch that game. It might not be some physical force that knocks the ball out of someone's hand or lets a player hold onto a ball with their fingertips, but it is very much a real thing.
EDIT: This isn't something I have seen here necessarily, just a general thought.
Quote from: Valmy on February 03, 2013, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
After free agency hits, the Ravens will be dismantled faster than post-war Germany.
Yeah? Who is due for Free Agency?
QuoteJoe Flacco QB UFA
Ed Reed S UFA
Anthony Allen RB ERFA
Billy Bajema TE UFA
Damien Berry RB ERFA
Ricky Brown LB UFA
Omar Brown CB ERFA
Josh Bynes LB ERFA
Sean Considine S UFA
Emanuel Cook CB RFA
Morgan Cox C RFA
Ed Dickson TE RFA
Dannell Ellerbe LB UFA
Bryan Hall DE ERFA
Adrian Hamilton DE ERFA
Ramon Harewood T UFA
James Ihedigbo CB UFA
Chris Johnson CB UFA
Arthur Jones DE RFA
Maake Kemoeatu DT
Paul Kruger LB UFA
Anthony Levine S ERFA
Ryan McBean DE UFA
Albert McClellan LB
Bryant McKinnie T
Dennis Pitta TE RFA
Bobby Rainey RB ERFA
David Reed WR RFA
LaQuan Williams WR
Cary Williams CB UFA
A lot of starters in that list.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
After free agency hits, the Ravens will be dismantled faster than post-war Germany.
No shit. Kruger is 100% gone. Reed would have to take a hometown discount. Dickson and Pitta are up. Ellerbe is up. Arthur Jones is up. Boldin and Jones are possible cap casualties (and losing Boldin would HURT). Birk is retiring. And Flacco needs to get paid.
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 12:05:15 AM
I would invite any of those "momentum is not a real thing" people to re-watch that game. It might not be some physical force that knocks the ball out of someone's hand or lets a player hold onto a ball with their fingertips, but it is very much a real thing.
EDIT: This isn't something I have seen here necessarily, just a general thought.
Without a doubt, and I believe momentum plays a bigger part in football (moreso in the college game) than any other sport, save perhaps basketball. It is a tangible aspect of the game, not just physically, but mentally.
Neil, I could honestly see the Ravens trading out of the 1st round (granted, it's the last pick, but there's still a substantial contract difference between 1-32 and 2-1) just to save themselves the signing bonus.
They paid Ray Rice big time last year, Ngata the year before, and Suggs the year before that. Ozzie's going to have some magic to do. They'll be competitive, but I expect it to be a major rebuilding operation the next two seasons.
Just like in 2000, you'll see people overpay for Ravens free agents they won't be able to match, just like they did for Jamie Sharper, Kim Herring, Priest Holmes and Duane Starks.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 12:14:50 AM
Just like in 2000, you'll see people overpay for Ravens free agents they won't be able to match, just like they did for Jamie Sharper, Kim Herring, Priest Holmes and Duane Starks.
No way the Chiefs overpaid for Priest Holmes.
Jones should have been MVP
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 12:17:45 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 12:14:50 AM
Just like in 2000, you'll see people overpay for Ravens free agents they won't be able to match, just like they did for Jamie Sharper, Kim Herring, Priest Holmes and Duane Starks.
No way the Chiefs overpaid for Priest Holmes.
I was more emphasizing the "they" won't be able to match" part, but yeah, he had a hell of a career. Shame it was in Kansas City. Now he's just a trivia game answer.
Yeah, they're absolutely up against it with the cap, and there's a few of those guys who are going to be critical players in the years ahead (abviously Flacco, but Omar Brown and James Ihedigbo are going to be good somewhere). Every TE on the roster is up, and Pitta's play has been strong enough that he might see some real offers. Ellerbe might be irreplaceable, and guys like Bynes, Jones and McLellan would be really nice to keep. And you can't get rid of Morgan Cox. I consider Cary Williams and Kruger to be already gone.
I think I'll go log onto World of Tanks now, and wait for Katmai to TK me.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 12:27:16 AM
Jones should have been MVP
No freaking way. Flacco came through in a huge way with those FG drives when the Niners had the defense on their heels. He was the MVP no doubt.
Quote from: sbr on February 03, 2013, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
Well, San Francisco can take solace in the fact that the Niners are one of the youngest teams in the league. They're not going anywhere.
After free agency hits, the Ravens will be dismantled faster than post-war Germany.
The ravens were pretty young in 2000 weren't they?
They've been properly aged.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 12:27:16 AM
Jones should have been MVP
In a stunning development you are wrong again.
Grats to Ravens and their fans. I'mma go Drink myself to sleep now.
:nelson:
Knew could rely on no class from a Ducks fan.
Quote from: katmai on February 04, 2013, 12:50:53 AM
Grats to Ravens and their fans. I'mma go Drink myself to sleep now.
Sorry man. But I would be shocked if this group didn't win at least one before they are done.
Not if we don't beef up the Corners.
QuoteAsked if Ravens QB Joe Flacco can lead Baltimore to the Super Bowl, Woodley responded:
"No, not at all because they have to go through one team -- that's the Pittsburgh Steelers in that AFC championship. So in order for them to get to the Super Bowl, they have to beat us, and we're not gonna let that happen once we get that close. So that's not gonna happen in this lifetime."
--Lamar Woodley, LB, Pittsburgh Steelers, June 2011
Conjecture where we were was that it was a Steelers' fan who short-circuited the power supply so that there would be no winner. Couldn't have Baltimore win because, well, it's Baltimore, and didn't want SF to win to tie-up the Steelers' record.
Ultimately, I went for the Ravens over the 49ers because I like their uniform better. :)
(And I think Flacco is a fucking beast.)
Dead to me Meri.
Quote from: merithyn on February 04, 2013, 08:42:13 AM
Ultimately, I went for the Ravens over the 49ers because I like their uniform better. :)
I could make a disparaging remark about women, but Languish has taught me that both sexes think this is an issue of vital importance. :rolleyes:
Yeah, no matter who won, the Steelers would have lost. The whole six rings thing is irrelevant, because what have they done lately?
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2013, 09:14:51 AM
Yeah, no matter who won, the Steelers would have lost. The whole six rings thing is irrelevant, because what have they done lately?
Which is aside from the fact that individual Steeler fans seem to regard the six rings thing as a personal achievement. Can't get my mind around that one.
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 12:27:16 AM
Jones should have been MVP
In a stunning development you are wrong again.
Random people on the internet agree with me! :blurgh:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/04/jacoby-jones-has-a-record-night/
QuoteJacoby Jones has a record night
Posted by Mike Florio on February 4, 2013, 1:14 AM EST
350x-1 Getty Images
The Super Bowl MVP had 287 yards passing. The guy who perhaps should have won the award finished with three more.
Receiver Jacoby Jones had a Super Bowl-record 290 combined yards, via 56 receiving yards and 234 return yards, including the longest play and longest kickoff return in Super Bowl history (108 yards).
The fact that Jones had only 56 yards from scrimmage likely made it harder to win the MVP. Then again, in Super Bowl XXXI Desmond Howard became the MVP with zero yards from scrimmage and 244 return yards, two fewer yards that Brett Favre generated through the air in that game.
So, yeah, maybe Jones should have been the MVP. Cast your vote below.
Thank you for voting!
Jacoby Jones. 56.58% (7,292 votes)
Joe Flacco. 37.29% (4,806 votes)
Someone else. 6.12% (789 votes)
Total Votes: 12,887
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 10:36:49 AM
Which is aside from the fact that individual Steeler fans seem to regard the six rings thing as a personal achievement. Can't get my mind around that one.
Yins. :rolleyes:
And I always thought it interesting how everybody in the world except people in Pittsburgh have known for years how much Terry Bradshaw actually hates Pittsburgh.
And I really wish the NFL Network would take all coverage of the AFC away from CBS. Talk about two networks light years apart in competence, talent and overall quality.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 10:41:00 AM
Random people on the internet agree with me! :blurgh:
Like you, random people on the internet are easily distracted by shiny things. That kick return was an awesome feat, but the person most responsible for winning the game was Flacco.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
And I really wish the NFL Network would take all coverage of the AFC away from CBS. Talk about two networks light years apart in competence, talent and overall quality.
Well, nobody is NBC.
Hey Seedy, callers on ESPN Radio are saying the refs were making sure the NFL's favorite team won the game by missing calls on the last 49ers drive. :D
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
And I really wish the NFL Network would take all coverage of the AFC away from CBS. Talk about two networks light years apart in competence, talent and overall quality.
I was apalled Jim Nantz seemed to be so uninformed about the rules for Safeties. I mean this guy has called hundreds of football games right?
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 10:57:15 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
And I really wish the NFL Network would take all coverage of the AFC away from CBS. Talk about two networks light years apart in competence, talent and overall quality.
I was apalled Jim Nantz seemed to be so uninformed about the rules for Safeties. I mean this guy has called hundreds of football games right?
I was at a bar and couldn't hear, what did he say?
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2013, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
And I really wish the NFL Network would take all coverage of the AFC away from CBS. Talk about two networks light years apart in competence, talent and overall quality.
Well, nobody is NBC.
People say that NBC has the best production value because they only have one game a week to worry about, but I remember when NBC had the AFC from the 70s through most of the 90s, and even back then, they were head and shoulders above CBS at the time, who had the NFC.
I miss an NBC covered AFC. :(
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 10:56:59 AM
Hey Seedy, callers on ESPN Radio are saying the refs were making sure the NFL's favorite team won the game by missing calls on the last 49ers drive. :D
El oh el. Crabtree pushed off that miserable little loser like he always does and for some reason that should have been holding. Whateva.
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 10:41:00 AM
Random people on the internet agree with me! :blurgh:
Like you, random people on the internet are easily distracted by shiny things. That kick return was an awesome feat, but the person most responsible for winning the game was Flacco.
I'm not that easily
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 10:57:46 AM
I was at a bar and couldn't hear, what did he say?
Well for one he was unclear about what yardline the free kick would be on and did not seem to know they could either kick off or punt. I was like 'really?' I mean those rules have been around forever.
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 10:58:05 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 10:56:59 AM
Hey Seedy, callers on ESPN Radio are saying the refs were making sure the NFL's favorite team won the game by missing calls on the last 49ers drive. :D
El oh el. Crabtree pushed off that miserable little loser like he always does and for some reason that should have been holding. Whateva.
Technically according to the rules it was a penalty, he had a hold of him after 5 yards. I think it was a good no call though. The ball was un-catchable, Crabtree ran a lazy route and initiated contact, they didn't call that stuff all game, etc.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 10:41:00 AM
Random people on the internet agree with me! :blurgh:
Like you, random people on the internet are easily distracted by shiny things. That kick return was an awesome feat, but the person most responsible for winning the game was Flacco.
I'm not that easily
:D
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 10:56:59 AM
Hey Seedy, callers on ESPN Radio are saying the refs were making sure the NFL's favorite team won the game by missing calls on the last 49ers drive. :D
Pfft. Troll failed. :P
Besides, when a wide receiver like Michael Irvin says it should've been flagged, and a defensive back Deion Sanders says it shouldn't have, then I know the decision not to throw the flag was correct.
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:00:08 AM
Technically according to the rules it was a penalty, he had a hold of him after 5 yards. I think it was a good no call though. The ball was un-catchable, Crabtree ran a lazy route and initiated contact, they didn't call that stuff all game, etc.
To me that was the big thing, if the receiver runs up to you and tries to shove you out of the way...what are you supposed to do just fall down and let him catch it? I mean I know the NFL loves offense but please.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 11:02:07 AM
Besides, when a wide receiver like Michael Irvin says it should've been flagged, and a defensive back Deion Sanders says it shouldn't have, then I know the decision not to throw the flag was correct.
No kidding. King push-off himself.
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:00:08 AM
Technically according to the rules it was a penalty, he had a hold of him after 5 yards. I think it was a good no call though. The ball was un-catchable, Crabtree ran a lazy route and initiated contact, they didn't call that stuff all game, etc.
That's what Mooch said as well; the way the refs were calling the game, the level of contact had already been established by them, and they let them play.
I felt that, if that kind of contact warranted a flag on that play, then at best both players could've been called on it. Defensive holding versus offensive PI would've resulted in a do-over.
But I think it was an uncatchable ball as well. Look at the arc on the replay and where the ball landed, I don't see how Crabtree could've come down in bounds with it anyhow.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 10:56:59 AM
Hey Seedy, callers on ESPN Radio are saying the refs were making sure the NFL's favorite team won the game by missing calls on the last 49ers drive. :D
Pfft. Troll failed. :P
Besides, when a wide receiver like Michael Irvin says it should've been flagged, and a defensive back Deion Sanders says it shouldn't have, then I know the decision not to throw the flag was correct.
Who was trolling? Two straight callers into Colin Cowherd said the officials intentionally gave the game to the Ravens and one even said they were 'protecting the NFL's posterchld'.
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:04:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 11:02:07 AM
Besides, when a wide receiver like Michael Irvin says it should've been flagged, and a defensive back Deion Sanders says it shouldn't have, then I know the decision not to throw the flag was correct.
No kidding. King push-off himself.
And Deion said it best when he said Crabtree's complete non-reaction after the play said it all: what wide receiver in the NFL
doesn't freak out if he thinks he's interfered with?
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:07:55 AM
Who was trolling?
Raven Hater Nation.
QuoteTwo straight callers into Colin Cowherd said the officials intentionally gave the game to the Ravens and one even said they were 'protecting the NFL's posterchld'.
If anybody besides Berkut is relieved that Ray Lewis is retiring, I think it would be Commissioner Goodell. :D That way, the league can be all Brady-Manning-Rapistburger, all the time. :D
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 11:06:54 AM
But I think it was an uncatchable ball as well. Look at the arc on the replay and where the ball landed, I don't see how Crabtree could've come down in bounds with it anyhow.
From the initial camera angle it looked to me like it was uncatchable (plus as I said before it looked like there was mutual contact). But on one of the field-level camera replays it looked very much catchable had he not been held. Looking at this one play in a vacuum it should have been called, but given how they were letting them play most of the day it was probably an okay non-call.
I definitely wouldn't blame an SF fan for being pissed about it, though.
And the 49ers radio guys never said anything either, they just blamed Kap
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:12:07 AM
And the 49ers radio guys never said anything either, they just blamed Kap
Don't see how it was his fault. It was a shitty play to call in the first place.
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 11:11:56 AM
I definitely wouldn't blame an SF fan for being pissed about it, though.
If I were a SF fan I would be far more upset about the play calling down there and wasting time outs. Besides with Baltimore blitzing everybody all Kap could do was throw to a well covered Crabtree on three straight plays? Nobody was open?
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 11:13:12 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:12:07 AM
And the 49ers radio guys never said anything either, they just blamed Kap
Don't see how it was his fault. It was a shitty play to call in the first place.
Blamed Kap wasn't quote right but I was on my phone and being lazy. IIRC they just said incomplete pass and it never had a chance.
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 11:13:12 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:12:07 AM
And the 49ers radio guys never said anything either, they just blamed Kap
Don't see how it was his fault. It was a shitty play to call in the first place.
I was telling Kat in World of Tanks this AM that, if Kaper had run even once in those final 2 downs instead of passing, they'd have been in the lead with a minute left to go.
Crappy play calling considering the time left, but the Ravens bull rushed the kid up the middle with everything intent on making Kaper beat them with a pass, and he had no choice but to toss it up too quickly on an incredibly compressed field; if they had 5 more yards of space, Kaper may have been able to get a better pass off. Can't blame him at all on that.
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:14:41 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 11:11:56 AM
I definitely wouldn't blame an SF fan for being pissed about it, though.
If I were a SF fan I would be far more upset about the play calling down there and wasting time outs. Besides with Baltimore blitzing everybody all Kap could do was throw to a well covered Crabtree on three straight plays? Nobody was open?
Well I didn't say they could only be pissed about one thing. Yeah-- the other stuff, too.
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Yeah, I saw that, too. But I also noticed the ref under the goal posts, who'd be in the best position to make that call, wasn't watching the line play at all, but the punter to see when he would step out of bounds.
What surprised me more was how the Niners were totally unprepared for the possibility of a safety in that situation. They were in a standard punt block formation with no gunner blockers that could've rushed in from the corners. The refs were expecting a safety in that situation, but the Niners were not.
But yeah, the refs all game long were going to let the players play. There were plays all night long that both teams could've gotten a ton of laundry on the field for.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
And I really wish the NFL Network would take all coverage of the AFC away from CBS. Talk about two networks light years apart in competence, talent and overall quality.
Agree with this. Not so much on Jim Nantz, but hard to see Simms as top shelf color.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Since holding in the end zone results in a safety players are taught to hold like crazy during an intentional safety play. The result of the play and the penalty are exactly the same so there is no reason to call it. They might want to change that rule after that play though.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 04, 2013, 11:28:44 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 10:42:49 AM
And I really wish the NFL Network would take all coverage of the AFC away from CBS. Talk about two networks light years apart in competence, talent and overall quality.
Agree with this. Not so much on Jim Nantz, but hard to see Simms as top shelf color.
Of all the former QBs in the booth that do color commentary for the networks, from Fouts to Simms to Buerlein to Gannon, I think the best color commentator is Troy Aikman on Fox. He's got his midwestern accent, which can be as grating as Simms' "I-asked-him-and-he-goes", but Troy knows his ball game better than any of them.*
*Although Todd Blackledge does college, and he's my true fave-rave color man from a knowledge of the position POV.
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Since holding in the end zone results in a safety players are taught to hold like crazy during an intentional safety play. The result of the play and the penalty are exactly the same so there is no reason to call it. They might want to change that rule after that play though.
What rule change could you make that would have prevented Baltimore from holding in the end zone there?
I like Dan Fouts. Can't hold anything back now.
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Since holding in the end zone results in a safety players are taught to hold like crazy during an intentional safety play. The result of the play and the penalty are exactly the same so there is no reason to call it. They might want to change that rule after that play though.
That totally just dawned on me while the page was refreshing. :lol:
If anything it would've stopped the clock, which may have had an impact, since Koch burned 7 seconds off by stalling before he went out of bounds.
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Since holding in the end zone results in a safety players are taught to hold like crazy during an intentional safety play. The result of the play and the penalty are exactly the same so there is no reason to call it. They might want to change that rule after that play though.
What rule change could you make that would have prevented Baltimore from holding in the end zone there?
Ball turnover at your 1 yard line?
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 04, 2013, 11:36:07 AM
I like Dan Fouts. Can't hold anything back now.
I like him too, but he's prone to Dierdorf-esque hyperbole at times.
Gannon is just a blabbering idiot. Obviously Siragusa cut all oxygen off to his brain when he landed on him in the '00 AFC Championship.
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Since holding in the end zone results in a safety players are taught to hold like crazy during an intentional safety play. The result of the play and the penalty are exactly the same so there is no reason to call it. They might want to change that rule after that play though.
What rule change could you make that would have prevented Baltimore from holding in the end zone there?
It's a tough issue to address, but you could say that if you're in punt formation and you hold in the endzone, you get hit with the safety plus a 10-yard penalty on the ensuing free kick.
FWIW, the Niners did the exact same thing to the Bengals late in a regular season game in 2012. Took several seconds off the clock and I'm pretty sure they were holding.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 11:35:05 AM
Of all the former QBs in the booth that do color commentary for the networks, from Fouts to Simms to Buerlein to Gannon, I think the best color commentator is Troy Aikman on Fox. He's got his midwestern accent, which can be as grating as Simms' "I-asked-him-and-he-goes", but Troy knows his ball game better than any of them.*
I said before that IMO Aikman is the best color guy to *ever* work the game.
Stuff like "there are a lot of QB hits that look worse than they feel, but that one where you get hit with the helmet in the armpit, that one really hurts a lot," it just doesn't get any better than that.
Uses jargon when it's necessary but doesn't overkill, non-stop like Gruden. Aikman will talk about Sluggo routes then explain it's a slant and go.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 04, 2013, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Since holding in the end zone results in a safety players are taught to hold like crazy during an intentional safety play. The result of the play and the penalty are exactly the same so there is no reason to call it. They might want to change that rule after that play though.
What rule change could you make that would have prevented Baltimore from holding in the end zone there?
Ball turnover at your 1 yard line?
That makes no sense in the context of the current rulebook.
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Since holding in the end zone results in a safety players are taught to hold like crazy during an intentional safety play. The result of the play and the penalty are exactly the same so there is no reason to call it. They might want to change that rule after that play though.
But don't they call the penalties when they happen? What if something crazy happened that could have made that penalty matter (eg, Baltimore gotten a first down)? After the play ended, would they retroactively throw a penalty flag? It seems to me the refs just missed it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 04, 2013, 11:36:07 AM
I like Dan Fouts. Can't hold anything back now.
I like him too, but he's prone to Dierdorf-esque hyperbole at times.
Gannon is just a blabbering idiot. Obviously Siragusa cut all oxygen off to his brain when he landed on him in the '00 AFC Championship.
I was doing a
Waterboy reference.
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:39:56 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 04, 2013, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Since holding in the end zone results in a safety players are taught to hold like crazy during an intentional safety play. The result of the play and the penalty are exactly the same so there is no reason to call it. They might want to change that rule after that play though.
What rule change could you make that would have prevented Baltimore from holding in the end zone there?
Ball turnover at your 1 yard line?
That makes no sense in the context of the current rulebook.
It has to be 4th down obviously but the rule could be : In the event of Offensive Holding on a play that resulted in a safety, the safety is nullified & the ball is turned over. In the other 3 downs : ball on 1 yard line, no down repeat.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 10:41:00 AM
Random people on the internet agree with me! :blurgh:
Like you, random people on the internet are easily distracted by shiny things. That kick return was an awesome feat, but the person most responsible for winning the game was Flacco.
I'm not that easily
:lol:
You're wrong, but you're funny. And that helps.
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 10:59:07 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 10:57:46 AM
I was at a bar and couldn't hear, what did he say?
Well for one he was unclear about what yardline the free kick would be on and did not seem to know they could either kick off or punt. I was like 'really?' I mean those rules have been around forever.
Yeah, but the NFL isn't the CFL. You can count the number of safeties per year on one hand, and I don't think I remember seeing a team ever intentionally take a safety before in the NFL (whereas that's considered a rather common tactic for field position in the CFL).
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 04, 2013, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:39:56 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 04, 2013, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Since holding in the end zone results in a safety players are taught to hold like crazy during an intentional safety play. The result of the play and the penalty are exactly the same so there is no reason to call it. They might want to change that rule after that play though.
What rule change could you make that would have prevented Baltimore from holding in the end zone there?
Ball turnover at your 1 yard line?
That makes no sense in the context of the current rulebook.
It has to be 4th down obviously but the rule could be : In the event of Offensive Holding on a play that resulted in a safety, the safety is nullified & the ball is turned over. In the other 3 downs : ball on 1 yard line, no down repeat.
Too much, I think a 15 yard penalty added to the kick return would be punitive enough.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 04, 2013, 11:45:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 04, 2013, 11:36:07 AM
I like Dan Fouts. Can't hold anything back now.
I like him too, but he's prone to Dierdorf-esque hyperbole at times.
Gannon is just a blabbering idiot. Obviously Siragusa cut all oxygen off to his brain when he landed on him in the '00 AFC Championship.
I was doing a Waterboy reference.
Can never have enough of those. I was unexpectedly called upon to get up & say some words at a wedding, so I started in with Clint Howard's speech. I got through "I am not what you would call a handsome man. The good Lord chose not to bless me with... with charm, athletic ability... or a fully functional brain..." before I could think of something else to say.
Only about 5-10 people seemed to get the reference :angry:
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 11:39:15 AM
Quote from: sbr on February 04, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
I noticed that on the safety, Baltimore was holding like crazy. It seems the players were told to do whatever it took to give maximum time to the punter, damn the rules. However, I don't think a flag was thrown. It didn't make any difference on that play, but it still illustrates a point: the refs weren't going to make any call that late in the game unless they absolutely had to.
Since holding in the end zone results in a safety players are taught to hold like crazy during an intentional safety play. The result of the play and the penalty are exactly the same so there is no reason to call it. They might want to change that rule after that play though.
What rule change could you make that would have prevented Baltimore from holding in the end zone there?
It's a tough issue to address, but you could say that if you're in punt formation and you hold in the endzone, you get hit with the safety plus a 10-yard penalty on the ensuing free kick.
FWIW, the Niners did the exact same thing to the Bengals late in a regular season game in 2012. Took several seconds off the clock and I'm pretty sure they were holding.
Yeah I was thinking along the lines of a 10 yard penalty on the free kick.
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 12:19:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 04, 2013, 11:45:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 04, 2013, 11:36:07 AM
I like Dan Fouts. Can't hold anything back now.
I like him too, but he's prone to Dierdorf-esque hyperbole at times.
Gannon is just a blabbering idiot. Obviously Siragusa cut all oxygen off to his brain when he landed on him in the '00 AFC Championship.
I was doing a Waterboy reference.
Can never have enough of those. I was unexpectedly called upon to get up & say some words at a wedding, so I started in with Clint Howard's speech. I got through "I am not what you would call a handsome man. The good Lord chose not to bless me with... with charm, athletic ability... or a fully functional brain..." before I could think of something else to say.
Only about 5-10 people seemed to get the reference :angry:
Never seen it, and probably never will since I can't stand Adam Sandler.
Women. :rolleyes:
Quote from: merithyn on February 04, 2013, 12:28:52 PM
Never seen it, and probably never will since I can't stand Adam Sandler.
I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
If I want to watch an idiot be an idiot, I can watch my teenagers pretending to be adults. It's not funny to me; just really pathetic. :P
Wait a minute Seedy: The NFL Network? That's the worst play-by-play team in history. They make Gumbel and Dierdorff look like Madden and Michaels.
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2013, 12:37:45 PM
Wait a minute Seedy: The NFL Network? That's the worst play-by-play team in history. They make Gumbel and Dierdorff look like Madden and Michaels.
For the games they covered, I felt they did remarkable well for such shitty match ups this season.
And at least on the NFL Network, you're not buffeted into unconsciousness by CBS promos for CBS programming. Jesus fucking Christ, as much as I want to spank the hell out of the brunette from "Two Broke Girls", even I can get promo overload.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 12:42:16 PM
And at least on the NFL Network, you're not buffeted into unconsciousness by CBS promos for CBS programming. Jesus fucking Christ, as much as I want to spank the hell out of the brunette from "Two Broke Girls", even I can get promo overload.
Yeah. Second half was full of that shit.
Kat Denning. Oh, all the boob jokes they do on that show.
I saw the pilot. Don't think I laughed once.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 11:13:12 AM
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And the 49ers radio guys never said anything either, they just blamed Kap
Don't see how it was his fault. It was a shitty play to call in the first place.
I was telling Kat in World of Tanks this AM that, if Kaper had run even once in those final 2 downs instead of passing, they'd have been in the lead with a minute left to go.
Crappy play calling considering the time left, but the Ravens bull rushed the kid up the middle with everything intent on making Kaper beat them with a pass, and he had no choice but to toss it up too quickly on an incredibly compressed field; if they had 5 more yards of space, Kaper may have been able to get a better pass off. Can't blame him at all on that.
I was very suprised by the play calling down there. They kept calling plays where all the options were to the right, and the Ravens compressed the right side of the field each time.
I would think a single counter play (whether run or pass) to the left would have seen SOMEONE wide open.
Quote from: Valmy on February 04, 2013, 12:31:25 PM
Quote from: merithyn on February 04, 2013, 12:28:52 PM
Never seen it, and probably never will since I can't stand Adam Sandler.
I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
:D
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 12:42:16 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2013, 12:37:45 PM
Wait a minute Seedy: The NFL Network? That's the worst play-by-play team in history. They make Gumbel and Dierdorff look like Madden and Michaels.
For the games they covered, I felt they did remarkable well for such shitty match ups this season.
And at least on the NFL Network, you're not buffeted into unconsciousness by CBS promos for CBS programming. Jesus fucking Christ, as much as I want to spank the hell out of the brunette from "Two Broke Girls", even I can get promo overload.
Mike Mayock is the worst. Still, that's the problem with all the networks. None of them have any good shows, but they're going to promote the shit out of them anyways. NBC might have the best broadcast in football, but the Voice is both overexposed and retarded.
Quote from: Berkut on February 04, 2013, 01:02:10 PM
I was very suprised by the play calling down there. They kept calling plays where all the options were to the right, and the Ravens compressed the right side of the field each time.
I would think a single counter play (whether run or pass) to the left would have seen SOMEONE wide open.
Yeah, looked like the Ravens picked something up on the tape. There were a couple plays before that series where I noticed the Linebacker on the defensive right side being motioned to move more to the defensive left and every time they motioned him over the play went to the side they were stacking the defense up.
Agree about the terrible play calling. On that Crabtree miss I think they had 3 recievers on the right side then Humperdink rolled right. That's like 40 guys fighting for 12 square yards of real estate.
Just run your crappy option read college play 3 times.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 04, 2013, 02:02:33 PM
Just run your crappy option read college play 3 times.
That's the problem with running the read option in the pros; the read option relies not just on who has the ball and selling the defense on who doesn't, but it also requires space, and a defense that's spread out to contain, and the Ravens seemed intent on stacking the box that close to the goal. But hell, even getting 3 yards a down could've worked them into a position of sending Gore over the top of the pile, or Kapernicus on a QB sneak.
I think running pitch options wide and working the sidelines in that situation really would've worked, especially with the speed the Niners have, and the Ravens' lack of it in the front seven.
Quote from: merithyn on February 04, 2013, 12:32:48 PM
If I want to watch an idiot be an idiot, I can watch my teenagers pretending to be adults. It's not funny to me; just really pathetic. :P
Amen.
I'm no fan of Mr Sandler's oeuvre, but I found Happy Gilmore hilarious.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 02:09:11 PM
I think running pitch options wide and working the sidelines in that situation really would've worked, especially with the speed the Niners have, and the Ravens' lack of it in the front seven.
I don't see how a pitch works when you have 10 defenders playing basically on the line.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 04, 2013, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 02:09:11 PM
I think running pitch options wide and working the sidelines in that situation really would've worked, especially with the speed the Niners have, and the Ravens' lack of it in the front seven.
I don't see how a pitch works when you have 10 defenders playing basically on the line.
Stretch em out; have to rely on the WRs to do their part blocking up, but I think the Niners could've turned the corners on the Ravens.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 04, 2013, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 02:09:11 PM
I think running pitch options wide and working the sidelines in that situation really would've worked, especially with the speed the Niners have, and the Ravens' lack of it in the front seven.
I don't see how a pitch works when you have 10 defenders playing basically on the line.
Stretch em out; have to rely on the WRs to do their part blocking up, but I think the Niners could've turned the corners on the Ravens.
Would that include counting on Moss to do some blocking?
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 04, 2013, 02:46:54 PM
Would that include counting on Moss to do some blocking?
:D I'm Jim Harbaugh would have the presence of mind to run the play to the other side of the field.
Seedy's posting from his iPad again :D
:unsure:
:blush:
:(
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 03:39:30 PM
Seedy's posting from his iPad again :D
A damned shame. Apple products are for gays. Also, what business does a guy who still uses a typewriter have with a tablet anyways?
You have any idea how difficult it is to balance a typewriter on your thighs while you're taking a dump?
It's pretty goddamned difficult, I'll say that.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2013, 03:42:56 PM
You have any idea how difficult it is to balance a typewriter on your thighs while you're taking a dump?
It's pretty goddamned difficult, I'll say that.
Not to mention the flatbed scanner to take the screed from the typewriter to Languish.
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2013, 12:37:45 PM
Madden and Michaels.
I'm sure he was good when he was younger, but there was so many games I wanted to just reach through the tv and beat that senile motherfucker to death. "There goes fast Willie Parker, do you know the best thing about being fast? It makes it harder for the other guy to catch you!" :bleeding:
Madden understood that the home audience didn't really care about breaking down the Xs and Os.
Pretty sure those Maddenisms were not meant to be serious comments, Tim.
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 09:46:50 PM
Pretty sure those Maddenisms were not meant to be serious comments, Tim.
Yeah, Madden knew broadcasting.
Superbowl victory parade day. I'm going to kick back and watch the parade on my jumbotron. I wonder if Money and his family are going to be there. I'll be on the lookout for immaculately-styled hair.
Quote from: Neil on February 05, 2013, 10:57:38 AM
Superbowl victory parade day. I'm going to kick back and watch the parade on my jumbotron. I wonder if Money and his family are going to be there. I'll be on the lookout for immaculately-styled hair.
Nah, too much craziness down there. Went to the last one.
"Gettin' too old for this shit" :)
Quote from: derspiess on February 04, 2013, 09:46:50 PM
Pretty sure those Maddenisms were not meant to be serious comments, Tim.
Don't be so sure. There are probably plenty of people in the audience who need that sort of thing explained to them.
colin kaepernick :wub:
i've loved him ever since i saw him run option plays last fall :)