Meaning intending to play on release?
I am still on the fence. Which is actually a surprise, since a few months ago I was definitely in the "No way am I playing another MMO..." camp....
But I am curious what other Languishites have decided to pull the trigger...
I'd like to like it. I WANT to play, it's Star Wars. But nothing has indicated it will be anything more than WoW with a Star Wars skin pluc voiceovers.
:(
Quote from: Berkut on October 20, 2011, 03:13:18 PM
Meaning intending to play on release?
I am still on the fence. Which is actually a surprise, since a few months ago I was definitely in the "No way am I playing another MMO..." camp....
But I am curious what other Languishites have decided to pull the trigger...
I put my $5 in on a pre-order. But that shouldn't be a big surprise. Ive flirted with 8-10 paid MMOs in my time.
Shitty timing for release though. Who wants to start playing an MMO the week before Christmas?
At $60 I'll feel fine if I play for a few weeks then stop. So I'm also on the fence about how much I'll wind up playing it.
I have no time to play games like this anymore. Kid+work+school+Languish is pretty time consuming.
But if my situation was different I would. Bioware usually does a good job and the game is being developed in Austin.
I wont be trying this.
How are they getting around the "everyone wants to be a Jedi" thing?
Quote from: Iormlund on October 20, 2011, 03:58:13 PM
How are they getting around the "everyone wants to be a Jedi" thing?
They don't. You want to play one, you are one. There were plenty of Jedis in that time - and Siths. Shitloads of Sith lord loads.
I've been in beta for a while now, and have put my $5 on a pre-order. In my opinion, it offers a good deal of fun over WoW....but that said, time is an issue, and I'm not positive when I'll jump in to play full time.
Actually, the release schedule will work in its favor, as I'll be on vacation :)
Quote from: Iormlund on October 20, 2011, 03:58:13 PM
How are they getting around the "everyone wants to be a Jedi" thing?
Half the classes are force users.
If anything I wish there were more non-force classes.
Unless this is a remake of the X-wing -TIE fighter series, no.
I got in the beta for 3 days. I didn't get to play a ton due to school and work, but I generally liked the game and could see it doing well. I think I posted my perceptions in the other SWTOR thread. I'm considering getting it because from December 20-January 7 or so, I will have very little to do and I'd like to be able to play with other people.
I only got to play one class and I didn't get to play the advanced class, unfortunately, due to time constraints. I think I'd prefer to play the Bounty Hunter class, since the ones I saw around looked like they were awesome to play, whereas mine was a mixed caster-melee class that supposedly has the advanced class that becomes a healer, which was what I wanted to do. Doing the intro dungeons without a healer (which was all of them) was pretty fucking annoying sometimes.
My brother played the beta and can't stop raving about how OSSUM it's going to be. He pre-ordered and has been bugging the living crap out of me to pre-order as well. I just don't see the point of EVER pre-ordering a game, no matter how much potential ass it might kick. :mellow:
Quote from: Caliga on October 20, 2011, 06:40:19 PM
I just don't see the point of EVER pre-ordering a game, no matter how much potential ass it might kick. :mellow:
Yeah it is very odd how people have gotten on board with doing that. I see posts (mostly by children mind you) on p'dox all the time asking p'dox to hurry up and let them give their money for a pre-order.
The advantage to pre-ordering this game is you get to play early. I don't know when they'll open it up to people who pre-order, however. Maybe a week?
A friend of mine at work told me you can pay $5 to pre-order at Gamestop and still get your pre-order code, so I suppose you could try it during the early phase and if you don't like it, get a refund for your pre-order.
The only reason I am thinking about it is the chance to start early...
How is the pvp?
Quote from: JonasSalk on October 20, 2011, 07:50:39 PM
The advantage to pre-ordering this game is you get to play early. I don't know when they'll open it up to people who pre-order, however. Maybe a week?
A friend of mine at work told me you can pay $5 to pre-order at Gamestop and still get your pre-order code, so I suppose you could try it during the early phase and if you don't like it, get a refund for your pre-order.
When ever I've pre-ordered, I've never gotten to play early.
Regarding pre-ordering...
Bioware has said they might limit the number of games shipped at first in order to limit the stress on their servers. So there's some reason there to pre-order.
If you're interested in the headstart, or the chance to get into beta, there's also that reason.
The pre-order goodies are pretty weak in this game, so nothing there.
But honestly, I don't know why I gave EB Games my $5 for a pre-order. :homestar:
Quote from: Razgovory on October 20, 2011, 08:30:22 PMWhen ever I've pre-ordered, I've never gotten to play early.
Pay attention, kiddo. They're specifically advertising that you get to play early if you pre-order.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 20, 2011, 08:16:22 PM
How is the pvp?
Never got a chance to try it, unfortunately.
Rock Paper Shotgun has a hands on:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/20/hands-on-the-old-republic-part-one/
As said, I've cancelled my pre-order, because I don't have the time to play MMOs meaningfully.
So it's out on the 20th of December you say? That's actually the start of my holiday-untiil-year's-end, as I had to burn my vacation days for the year.
A couple of friends at work want me to buy it to join up with them, one of whom was in the beta and loved it and the other who is absolutely stoked about its release. I'm still on the fence. I'll wait a month or two to see if it's worth it.
I usually don't like MMOs, but damn, it's Star Wars... It's usually a very cool universe to play.
Fuck no. MMO = cancer.
Well I'll be.
I have a beta invite for SWTOR.
Now to decide whether I can afford to download 20GB...
I have also a Beta invite (for this week-end only apparently).
I probably won't have time to play tho.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 09, 2011, 02:48:51 PM
I have also a Beta invite (for this week-end only apparently).
I probably won't have time to play tho.
From what I understand if you've been invited, you're in for all subsequent beta events. But yeah, the servers are not constantly up - they're only up for limited periods of time.
Fuck it - I'll do it. I think I might have to get a new HDD for this sucker though. My Windows partition wasn't very large to begin with. I'll probably play around with a class or two I likely won't play. Perhaps a Sith.
Bad time to buy an HDD, they have doubled in price in the last month.
It might be cheaper for me to mail you 12 dvds with the game on it then you bursting your limit tho.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 09, 2011, 03:55:18 PM
Bad time to buy an HDD, they have doubled in price in the last month.
It might be cheaper for me to mail you 12 dvds with the game on it then you bursting your limit tho.
Karma payback for all the times he gloated about having a superior computer.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 09, 2011, 04:04:48 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 09, 2011, 03:55:18 PM
Bad time to buy an HDD, they have doubled in price in the last month.
It might be cheaper for me to mail you 12 dvds with the game on it then you bursting your limit tho.
Karma payback for all the times he gloated about having a superior computer.
Good news and bad news.
Good news - I checked with my ISP. I was completely wrong about my download limit. Limit is 250GB / month. :cool:
Bad news - the HDD I installed Windows on 3 1/2 years ago is only a 80 GB HDD. Try as I might, I can only free up 29.5 GB of space on it. :grr:
Quote from: Barrister on November 09, 2011, 11:25:53 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 09, 2011, 04:04:48 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 09, 2011, 03:55:18 PM
Bad time to buy an HDD, they have doubled in price in the last month.
It might be cheaper for me to mail you 12 dvds with the game on it then you bursting your limit tho.
Karma payback for all the times he gloated about having a superior computer.
Good news and bad news.
Good news - I checked with my ISP. I was completely wrong about my download limit. Limit is 250GB / month. :cool:
Bad news - the HDD I installed Windows on 3 1/2 years ago is only a 80 GB HDD. Try as I might, I can only free up 29.5 GB of space on it. :grr:
:cool:
I've renewed my order for the Collector's Edition. :blush:
Quote from: Syt on November 10, 2011, 09:04:28 AM
I've renewed my order for the Collector's Edition. :blush:
To be honest, I never had any doubt you would buy this game. -_-
Yeah, the weekend-only beta tries are really annoying. Some of us work on the weekends.
So is anybody else actually going to be playing in this weekend beta? Just wondering if I should bother to co-ordinate with anyone.
I am...
Quote from: Barrister on November 10, 2011, 09:41:49 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 10, 2011, 09:04:28 AM
I've renewed my order for the Collector's Edition. :blush:
To be honest, I never had any doubt you would buy this game. -_-
Well, I'm not the Star Wars fanboi I once was (there have been too many bad Star Wars games/movies/comics/books etc. - though I like the Clone Wars show a fair bit).
However, though the gameplay in TOR doesn't look groundbreaking, though the graphics are a far cry from glitzy or sexy the way other games are, it does have something that makes me want to play it. Maybe it's the KoTOR setting that I like (the 80s/90s comics about it are pretty decent), or the fact that it's BioWare.
Possibly it's a holdover from my first encounter with WoW when it was released. I thought that a similar gameplay in the Star Wars galaxy would work very well. Though I guess TOR is a bit late to the non-F2P party.
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2011, 12:49:17 AM
I am...
Kay - I'll post what server I roll on, or you post your server, and we'll see if we can hook up.
I was going to roll Empire, because I'll probably go Republic when the game goes live. But I don't care much either way for a beta.
I am very tempted to play. Stonewall told me he is probably going to try it as well.
Quote from: Lndhand on November 11, 2011, 02:59:36 PM
I am very tempted to play. Stonewall told me he is probably going to try it as well.
In order to play
this weekend you had to have registered your pre-order code, and been selected to participate in the beta test (though it seems almost everybody who was eligible was selected).
Of course anybody can still buy the game on release (Dec 20) and play then.
Quote from: Barrister on November 11, 2011, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Lndhand on November 11, 2011, 02:59:36 PM
I am very tempted to play. Stonewall told me he is probably going to try it as well.
In order to play this weekend you had to have registered your pre-order code, and been selected to participate in the beta test (though it seems almost everybody who was eligible was selected).
Of course anybody can still buy the game on release (Dec 20) and play then.
Sorry for lack of specificity -- I'm talking about at release. :D
Quote from: Barrister on November 11, 2011, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Lndhand on November 11, 2011, 02:59:36 PM
I am very tempted to play. Stonewall told me he is probably going to try it as well.
In order to play this weekend you had to have registered your pre-order code, and been selected to participate in the beta test (though it seems almost everybody who was eligible was selected).
Of course anybody can still buy the game on release (Dec 20) and play then.
I haven't pre-ordered the game.
Holy shit is there a lot of Queue.
I started the game, watched the intro movie, tried to watch the intro movie again with Jake, and it would not go anywhere. Now when I start it up it just sits on the loading screen forever.
Worst.
Beta.
Ever.
Apparently that means you are in server queue, just no indication of it.
Fun!
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 11, 2011, 07:54:32 PM
Apparently that means you are in server queue, just no indication of it.
Fun!
Yeah, that means you are in a server q in a over-populated server, that you cannot get out of until you get through the q.
THat is some fine interface design right there.
Yes, :lol:
I'm in, it only took 1h35mins of q time.
No idea which server it is tho.
I was looking around the install to see if the default server was in a config file I could just erase, but no such luck.
Of all the game that came after WoW, this is the most WoW like of all of them.
I made an Imperial Agent, named Artie on some Shadow Hand server.
Voice over quests dialogue is pretty cool.
Running into this same long black screen that I guess means I'm in a queue. Wow that's some idiocy right there.
I'm on the Shii'cho server (or something like that). Man there are a lot of cinematics to get through. They all look cool, but I think it verges on overboard.
But then again I haven't actually gotten to a single moment of game play yet.
They must have increased the amount of people allowed into this weekend's beta. For my beta weekend, I never had a problem getting in at various times.
Are they running a stress test this weekend, maybe?
And I just check my email and I also have a beta invite, though obviously not for this weekend, and my question about stress test is also answered. :lol:
QuoteYour account has been selected to participate in an upcoming Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ Beta Weekend Test. If you have previously tested or are currently participating in an ongoing test, you will be invited again. Additional details for this upcoming test will be announced soon.
As part of this test, we will be partnering with games industry sites to distribute additional beta codes as necessary. This will help ensure we meet our population goals, so we can effectively stress test our servers in preparation for launch. Please do not acquire and redeem one of these codes as it could jeopardize your ability to participate in this test.
As a reminder, should you choose to participate, everything associated with this test (game information, process, forums communication, etc.) is confidential and may not be discussed outside of the Game Testing forum. Additionally, your participation in the Game Testing Program is subject to the Game Testing Agreement.
Though I'm not sure I will make use of it. I want to spend more time with Skyrim, and in the past, playing an MMO in beta soured me for the full release, because it meant having to go through the n00b areas again. :P
The news page has the details:
http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20111111-0
QuoteWhen we started our Beta Testing Weekends, we told you that each weekend would include more testers than the last. We're excited to announce that later this month we will be conducting our largest Beta Testing Weekend yet, specifically designed to help us stress test our servers in preparation for the launch of Star Wars™: The Old Republic™.
How can you take part in this coming Beta Test Weekend? Well, for starters we are happy to announce that anyone who has signed up for our Game Testing Program prior to today, November 11th, will get invited! Invites will be sent in the coming weeks.
Well, my guild can't seem to down Rag, so we are getting a flux of people suddenly no longer interested in raiding because they are geared.
So, I will be definitely checking this game out. Once it is released, I just can't get the energy to do the Beta than Noob Areas over again.
What are people thinking as far as sides? factions?
Quote from: Strix on November 12, 2011, 08:33:17 PM
Well, my guild can't seem to down Rag, so we are getting a flux of people suddenly no longer interested in raiding because they are geared.
So, I will be definitely checking this game out. Once it is released, I just can't get the energy to do the Beta than Noob Areas over again.
What are people thinking as far as sides? factions?
Personally, after playing Empire side just a bit I just don't care for it. This isn't WoW with morally ambiguous factions. I definitely want to go Republic. That being said, I don't really want to play a force user either, so I'll go either smuggler or trooper, depending on how I'm feeling late December.
It's a fun game. It is definitely a WoW copy - even on points I thought that MMOs had advanced beyond. For example, having to sell vendor trash that you pick up. However, the dialogue options - the thought that every once in a while, your choices actually make a difference in game play - is awfully nice. And Star Wars is Star Wars.
I'm aiming at Sith Warrior for now - I like melee classes, and the Juggernaut specialization seems to be a classic tanking role which I enjoy. Marauder specialization looks like melee DPS which is also fun. The Bounty Hunter specializations also look interesting. Inquisitor and Operative look cool, but I'm not generally a great player at stealth/caster classes.
On republic side I'd probably go for Trooper or Smuggler. Jedi Knight seems pretty much the same as the Sith Warrior. The consular is at the bottom of my list.
Alt-F4 gets you out of any queue.
Quote from: Syt on November 13, 2011, 02:07:38 AM
I'm aiming at Sith Warrior for now - I like melee classes, and the Juggernaut specialization seems to be a classic tanking role which I enjoy. Marauder specialization looks like melee DPS which is also fun. The Bounty Hunter specializations also look interesting. Inquisitor and Operative look cool, but I'm not generally a great player at stealth/caster classes.
On republic side I'd probably go for Trooper or Smuggler. Jedi Knight seems pretty much the same as the Sith Warrior. The consular is at the bottom of my list.
The Empire/Republic classes are ALL mirrors of each other. The Jedi Knight is exactly the same as Sith Warrior. Same with Agent / Smuggler, Bounty Hunter / Trooper and Inquisitor / Consular.
So far I am definitely very, very underwhelmed.
SOOOOOooooooooooo...............
Is it time (or worth it) to perhaps form some sort of Languish guild in anticipation of the 12/20/11 start?
1) Determine a common server
2) Determine a faction (or factions if people wanna play the other side)
3) I have no idea about starting area/planets but maybe get some suggestions for that
I think the people on Languish who play MMO's have played enough that it would be of some value to try and semi-organize at the start. At the very least make it easier to find each other and group early on. If people want to play different factions than it would be fun to be able to arrange to meet in pvp areas?
Just some thoughts....
Quote from: Berkut on November 13, 2011, 10:18:21 AM
So far I am definitely very, very underwhelmed.
Please elaborate.
The graphics are pretty meh. It feels very WoW like graphically, and while that cartoony kind of thing works for WoW, I want my Star Wars a little more "real".
The game play is just, again...it's just WoW. There doesn't seem to be anything there that is different or new. I can't tell the difference between a Jedi and a Paladin.
All that leaves is the theme, and from what I can tell that is pretty damn good, but I don't know if it is enough to carry my interest.
Compared to Start Trek online, for example, STO is more engaging - it at least has some different things going on, flying a starship, the ground combat is different than WoW.
I know I have not given it nearly enough time to be at all definitive, but after a few hours of play, I turned it off, and haven't had much desire to turn it back on. Been there, done that.
Quote from: Berkut on November 13, 2011, 11:16:23 PM
The graphics are pretty meh. It feels very WoW like graphically, and while that cartoony kind of thing works for WoW, I want my Star Wars a little more "real".
The game play is just, again...it's just WoW. There doesn't seem to be anything there that is different or new. I can't tell the difference between a Jedi and a Paladin.
All that leaves is the theme, and from what I can tell that is pretty damn good, but I don't know if it is enough to carry my interest.
Compared to Start Trek online, for example, STO is more engaging - it at least has some different things going on, flying a starship, the ground combat is different than WoW.
I know I have not given it nearly enough time to be at all definitive, but after a few hours of play, I turned it off, and haven't had much desire to turn it back on. Been there, done that.
My thoughts...
TOR is very, very close to WoW. Closer than STO is to be sure. It seems closer even in things that I thought MMOs had evolved past. Item durability - I mean really?
Compared to STO though it is much more, well, polished. The animations are much sharper. The graphics are a bit stylized (though less so than WoW), but all in all it looks a bit better than STO, which tried to be more realistic.
Not sure abut the tag line of a "story driven MMO". I'm not clear how the TOR storyline is in any way better than defending Stormwind from the Defias, or any other WoW storyline. What it is of course is voice-acted. Which is nice, but I'm unconvinced it's a game changer.
Much like I figured before beta, I'll certainly buy this game. It is well done for what it is. Whether I'll play a couple of months and quit (like I did for quite a few MMOs), or whether I'll wind up playing on and off for years (like, well, WoW) very much remains up in the air.
...
Played my Jedi Knight up to level 9, and off the starting world. Nice enough. But I couldn't resist, and played both a Trooper and a Smuggler for the first few missions (which were my top contenders for rolling live). You don't get an iconic light saber, but otherwise the quest options seem a whole lot more interesting and realistic.
Sounds pretty much like what I expected. I have to admit, thinking about it, I'm not sure I'm too hot on this, either, though when I first played WoW in 2005(?) I said I would love this gameplay meshed with Star Wars.
Last time I played WoW again was in 2008, and I didn't care much for it then. I still have my lifetime STO sub (which goes F2P in January), and I have my plate full with Skyrim now. Besides, ME3 is coming in March.
It's too bad that Age of Conan seems to be dying a slow, painful death - I really loved the setting and (occasionally crazy) classes, and it seems they seriously beefed up the content since release.
I have obtained a key for the stress-test next weekend.
I've played it a little Friday night & Saturday morning.
Saw the same old same old thing, decided to go up north to the Cabin instead.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 14, 2011, 08:05:54 AM
I've played it a little Friday night & Saturday morning.
Saw the same old same old thing, decided to go up north to the Cabin instead.
Going north to a cabin is always the right answer, no matter what the question is. :cool:
Quote from: Barrister on November 14, 2011, 10:08:31 AM
Going north to a cabin is always the right answer, no matter what the question is. :cool:
Even 'where should I go to work on my tan'?
Quote from: Valmy on November 14, 2011, 10:21:48 AM
Quote from: Barrister on November 14, 2011, 10:08:31 AM
Going north to a cabin is always the right answer, no matter what the question is. :cool:
Even 'where should I go to work on my tan'?
Yes. :cool:
yeah had the invite for weekend, but been working whole dam time ugh.
Quote from: katmai on November 15, 2011, 02:55:41 AM
yeah had the invite for weekend, but been working whole dam time ugh.
I had school and work during my weekend. :(
Quote from: JonasSalk on November 15, 2011, 02:56:41 AM
Quote from: katmai on November 15, 2011, 02:55:41 AM
yeah had the invite for weekend, but been working whole dam time ugh.
I had school and work during my weekend. :(
Yeah i was busy shooting interviews and b roll
If it is any consolation, if you're planning on getting the game anyways all it will do is give you a taste, then make you sad realizing your toon has been deleted, and the 20GB installation on your desktop will no longer work. :(
I'm probably going to give it a spin once it's out. the graphics complaints aren't actually dealbreakers for me, since it means my computer might stand a snowball's chance in hell of meeting system requirements for it, unlike, say, Skyrim (which would probably cause my poor computer to explode).
Oh, and various game sites are giving away thousands of free beta keys for the next stress test weekend.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/11/14/need-a-beta-key-for-star-wars-the-old-republic-how-about-75k-b/
Is just one example.
Bioware did ask/warn people who already have beta access to not grab up these keys - you're already in.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on November 15, 2011, 11:14:05 AM
I'm probably going to give it a spin once it's out. the graphics complaints aren't actually dealbreakers for me, since it means my computer might stand a snowball's chance in hell of meeting system requirements for it, unlike, say, Skyrim (which would probably cause my poor computer to explode).
You'd be surprised. I'm running Skyrim on a year-old laptop. Admittedly, on rather low graphical settings.
I wont be back from this job till the 16/17 of Dec, so will just be back in time for debut
My brother browbeat me into signing up for the beta for this game. :yuk:
Apparently Nov 25-28 is going to be the next, and I think final, beta weekend.
I read somewhere we might be able to keep characters from the first beta weekend (though obviously we won't keep them once it goes live).
I got into the weekend beta again.
Too bad I have to read 4 books and about 8 journal articles and write a 4-pager, 3-pager, 20-pager, and do a bunch of math homework and prepare a powerpoint. Yee fucking haw.
I got my beta invite. I changed my password for the site when they asked me to.
Now I can't log in anymore.
I've clicked the link to reset password. I set a new password. They ask me to complete a captcha. But the captcha keeps telling me I'm doing it wrong (even tried the audio one). I've tried this a few times now, but no success.
I guess Bioware don't want me on their site. :(
EDIT: The captcha just didn't like Firefox. Works fine with IE. <_<
got into the beta. gonna' check it out on sunday.
Is it against your NDA to reveal if player characters have coherent character names, rather than l33t_h4xx0r or g4y_f0r_4nak1n?
Everything is against their NDA, even the actual knowledge that there is a NDA.
Anyway, I'm gonna try a Force user this time, sadly I don't have much time to play this week-end either.
I will try it this weekend and see what's what. With my luck I'll be in the Sunday evening group of testers, though.
Quote from: Drakken on November 22, 2011, 04:09:54 PM
Is it against your NDA to reveal if player characters have coherent character names, rather than l33t_h4xx0r or g4y_f0r_4nak1n?
NDA has been lifted as of this week.
In Beta most of the names seemed fine, but I don't believe there's any restriction against 1337-speak names.
GF (and anyone else in NAm) last weekend I was on the Sith Meditation Sphere seerver. It had the shortest queues (probably because of the stupid name). I'll urge people to roll there unless people have other servers already selected.
It's PvP, but you don't get into contested areas until the 20s, which won't happen over three days of testing.
10 am CST is my start time.
same
I'm in on Friday, 4pm my time, which sounds rather ideal.
Quote from: Syt on November 23, 2011, 11:52:57 PM
I'm in on Friday, 4pm my time, which sounds rather ideal.
is that 10AM CST? Because then it's the same as me.
Actually, it's 5 pm. CST is -7 for CET.
I guess I'm in for the beta of this dumb game tomorrow. I've got the client downloaded and all that stuff.
Maybe I can convince my brother to play on the same server as all y'all bitches.
10am CST.
Saturday.
<_<
I guess I didn't confirm soon enough.
I just spent three hours levelling a smuggler to Level 7. Surprisingly fun so far. I picked smuggler because it's not a class I would play at release - and if I get this game after all, I don't want to re-do quests I've done before.
It's retty standard MMO fare so far, but the addition of the Bioware dialogue system adds a lot for me.
Usually in MMO it goes for me like this: run to quest giver, click accept, then check the map where I have to go/what I have to kill. Rarely, if ever, do I read quest descriptions in detail.
Having the quests presented in dialogue greatly increases immersion for me, even if it's your standard fetch or kill quests. Though quests so far seem a bit more varied (kill x enemies has so far mostly been a bonus objective in an area) and some of them have a few twists and allow you to make moral choices.
Graphics look fine to me. The texture palette and look reminds me of Clone Wars - which is fine for me, but it may put off others. At 1920x1200 at max settings I usually have 20-25 fps, with a few locations going down to 10, and dialogues often in the 30-40 range.
Yeah, I just jump into some classes seeing the intro and getting a feel for them, because I am pretty sure now that I'll get this.
It is like an exact WoW clone gameplay-wise, but as Syt said the cutscenes, and the class-specific main storylness seem to add enough. Well, beside the Star Wars theme of course.
I would probably not care at all if it was an unkown sci-setting, but hopefully it will be like playing a KOTOR game.
I made a Jedi Knight on BB's server name Arthois.
I've got a Twi'lek suggler named Nieb Fosca on the Khoonda Mercenary Company server. Played for maybe 2 hours total today. Seems ok, but I'm not overwhelmed or anything.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 25, 2011, 07:26:34 PM
I made a Jedi Knight on BB's server name Arthois.
:hug:
HOw hard is it for people to
roll on the same server dammit!.
I'll be on tomorrow.
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2011, 10:58:20 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 25, 2011, 07:26:34 PM
I made a Jedi Knight on BB's server name Arthois.
:hug:
HOw hard is it for people to roll on the same server dammit!.
I'll be on tomorrow.
I'm trying out Republic with my former wow guildies for beta :P
Quote from: katmai on November 25, 2011, 11:39:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2011, 10:58:20 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 25, 2011, 07:26:34 PM
I made a Jedi Knight on BB's server name Arthois.
:hug:
HOw hard is it for people to roll on the same server dammit!.
I'll be on tomorrow.
I'm trying out Republic with my former wow guildies for beta :P
Which is... :contract:
Uh....Belgoth's beacon is server name
Hmm... are you fools going to insist on a PvP server once again?
Quote from: Caliga on November 26, 2011, 09:21:16 AM
Hmm... are you fools going to insist on a PvP server once again?
wtf is the point in that? The gameplay itself has been done about a dozen times. It's the setting and the story which should be worth the purchase, and how that is made better by being griefed by a character named Yodacansuckit, is beyond me.
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2011, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 26, 2011, 09:21:16 AM
Hmm... are you fools going to insist on a PvP server once again?
wtf is the point in that?
For someone as bad at competing with actual humans as you are, there is very little point.
@Tamas I agree, but that's why I have never really played WoW with Languish ppl.
I've re-rolled as Consular and brought my char up to Level 8. I like that storyline so far a lot better than the smuggler one.
For some reason, though, the game draws a white pixel at the exact same location all the time. At first I thought it'd be my monitor or gfx card, but I don't have it with any other app or game. :unsure:
Quote from: Syt on November 26, 2011, 11:43:18 AM
I've re-rolled as Consular and brought my char up to Level 8. I like that storyline so far a lot better than the smuggler one.
For some reason, though, the game draws a white pixel at the exact same location all the time. At first I thought it'd be my monitor or gfx card, but I don't have it with any other app or game. :unsure:
I'm not alone? Dude I almost bought a new monitor today!
Queues on every server.
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 10:12:34 AM
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2011, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 26, 2011, 09:21:16 AM
Hmm... are you fools going to insist on a PvP server once again?
wtf is the point in that?
For someone as bad at competing with actual humans as you are, there is very little point.
:yeahright:
griefing teenagers in some MMO is one of the lowest forms of perceived "competition" I can think of.
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2011, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 10:12:34 AM
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2011, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 26, 2011, 09:21:16 AM
Hmm... are you fools going to insist on a PvP server once again?
wtf is the point in that?
For someone as bad at competing with actual humans as you are, there is very little point.
:yeahright:
griefing teenagers in some MMO is one of the lowest forms of perceived "competition" I can think of.
Well, if that is what the PvP amounts to, then I suppose that would actually suck. Is there some reason you think that is what the PvP amounts to in SWOL?
Or are you just using that as an excuse to hide behind?
Actually, the reason I like PvP servers (even in WoW) was never the actual PvP. PvP in WoW was all about arenas and battlegrounds anyway. It was that PvP servers tend to attract a more serious kind of player. Also douchebags like Seedy as well, but that is the price you pay.
What I liked about PvP servers were the instances when PvP didn't happen - when you'd see an opposing player, /wave or /bow at each other, then go on your way.
But apparently in TOR it shouldn't be as bad as in WoW - you don't share quest hubs, and don't have any zones in common until the 20s.
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 03:23:09 PM
It was that PvP servers tend to attract a more serious kind of player. Also douchebags like Seedy as well, but that is the price you pay.
First of all, I don't exactly know how Old Republic PvP will look like, but considering the quite dated MMO gold standard gameplay which it has, I am pretty sure I have a pretty good general idea about it, like everyone else here.
For the "serious players" part I dunno. In the classic MMO setup like this game has, PvP is just an aftertought by the very nature of the thing, and always seemed very out of place for me, and thus everyone who engaged in world PvP seemed like sweating from some kind of inferiority complex, or was just a douchebag, happy to be a virtual bully.
Now mind you, I highly enjoyed the PvP-oriented Warhammer Online. I basically did no PvE quest except those collaborative things which yielded nice rewards. I enjoyed the teamwork and the challenge, and vastly preferred the scenarios and the RvR gameplay over PvEing mobs.
But Old Republic is a WoW clone which is very dated gameplay-wise before release. So not only the PvP is bound to be an aftertought, it is bound to be inferior to any other modern offering focusing on the PvP, therefore it makes no sense to me to go out of your way to do open-world PvP in an enviroment which seem very very ill-suited for it.
I think that is a rather lot of speculation on your part about what PvP is going to be like.
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 04:08:21 PM
I think that is a rather lot of speculation on your part about what PvP is going to be like.
Have you played the beta? This game is WoW in Star Wars. They don't even pretend otherwise.
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 04:08:21 PM
I think that is a rather lot of speculation on your part about what PvP is going to be like.
Have you played the beta? This game is WoW in Star Wars. They don't even pretend otherwise.
I have - and the only similarity to WoW is in the gameplay mechanics. How the classes interact, and how PvP works has no similarity at all, that I can tell.
But hey, you've played the beta, and I am sure you know all about how PvP works in SWOL, since you are clearly an expert. Why don't you tell us about it, rather than speculating?
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 04:08:21 PM
I think that is a rather lot of speculation on your part about what PvP is going to be like.
Have you played the beta? This game is WoW in Star Wars. They don't even pretend otherwise.
I have - and the only similarity to WoW is in the gameplay mechanics. How the classes interact, and how PvP works has no similarity at all, that I can tell.
But hey, you've played the beta, and I am sure you know all about how PvP works in SWOL, since you are clearly an expert. Why don't you tell us about it, rather than speculating?
I have made assumptions based on the familiar patterns I (and everyone else for whom this isn't their first MMO) see. You are making assumptions DESPITE seeing the same patterns. So why don't you tell me what I am missing from the big picture, except that you claim you are a better competitive player in computer role playing games than I am?
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2011, 06:31:47 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 04:08:21 PM
I think that is a rather lot of speculation on your part about what PvP is going to be like.
Have you played the beta? This game is WoW in Star Wars. They don't even pretend otherwise.
I have - and the only similarity to WoW is in the gameplay mechanics. How the classes interact, and how PvP works has no similarity at all, that I can tell.
But hey, you've played the beta, and I am sure you know all about how PvP works in SWOL, since you are clearly an expert. Why don't you tell us about it, rather than speculating?
I have made assumptions based on the familiar patterns I (and everyone else for whom this isn't their first MMO) see. You are making assumptions DESPITE seeing the same patterns. So why don't you tell me what I am missing from the big picture, except that you claim you are a better competitive player in computer role playing games than I am?
He is
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2011, 06:31:47 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: Tamas on November 26, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 26, 2011, 04:08:21 PM
I think that is a rather lot of speculation on your part about what PvP is going to be like.
Have you played the beta? This game is WoW in Star Wars. They don't even pretend otherwise.
I have - and the only similarity to WoW is in the gameplay mechanics. How the classes interact, and how PvP works has no similarity at all, that I can tell.
But hey, you've played the beta, and I am sure you know all about how PvP works in SWOL, since you are clearly an expert. Why don't you tell us about it, rather than speculating?
I have made assumptions based on the familiar patterns I (and everyone else for whom this isn't their first MMO) see. You are making assumptions DESPITE seeing the same patterns. So why don't you tell me what I am missing from the big picture, except that you claim you are a better competitive player in computer role playing games than I am?
I make no claims one way or the other - I simply do not know what PvP in SWOL will be like. What I don't get is why you are so prepared to know exactly what it will be like to the extent that you are willing to dismiss it out of hand, while admitting you don't know anything about it.
And don't be so sensitive, seriously. I am just giving you shit.
Don't fuck with Tamas and games he illegally downloads, man.
:D
I just didn't want to concede, Berk.
Especially since I'll be proven right :P
Anyways, I've been very surprised. I didn't expect to have this much fun in the game, even though it's basically WoW with a KotOR dressing and a few Bioware standard features thrown in (companions, dialogues, moral choices). It works for me. As do the cartoonish visuals. I loved the old Old Republic comics, and I enjoy the Clone Wars cartoons, so I don't mind. Partially it's probably that you feel rather powerful from the get go.
I've played my consular to level 12 to get a taste of playing a Shadow and Coruscant. Good stuff.
I then started briefly an Imperial Operative. Even though I don't fancy playing that class much (as with consular), the story kept pulling me in and it was not quite easy to stop playing it.
I've re-ordered my pre-order. I'm flip-flopping more often on this than . . . someone who . . . flip-flops very often. :unsure:
You know, I've been playing a little more, and it is growing on me.
I want to see how the grouping is - has anyone tried that?
One thing is that so far there is zero challenge. Every quest I just blow through everything without much need to think about it at all.
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2011, 10:02:09 AM
You know, I've been playing a little more, and it is growing on me.
I want to see how the grouping is - has anyone tried that?
One thing is that so far there is zero challenge. Every quest I just blow through everything without much need to think about it at all.
I've hit one quest as a Sith Inquisitor that is kicking my ass - I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I can't keep him at range, and he just tears through my health.
Grouping is fine - so far. I did the couple quests that are listed as 2+ in groups. Because no one has any healing or tanking talents there's no particular strategy involved. We'll see how it is later on.
Still fucking downloading. Sigh.
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2011, 10:02:09 AM
You know, I've been playing a little more, and it is growing on me.
I want to see how the grouping is - has anyone tried that?
One thing is that so far there is zero challenge. Every quest I just blow through everything without much need to think about it at all.
Biggest challenge so far has been going through the final "training droid" mission as Jedi Consular on Tython. The last enemy is an elite that can really kick your bum. On Coruscant was one quest that also ended with fighting an elite that was pretty close.
Overall I've died a few times when I got in over my head, e.g. seven or eight mobs that are my level or slightly above (happened a few times in Flesh Raider territory).
But in total the game has been pretty forgiving so far.
Only group quest I did was Chamber of Speech on Tython with a PUG. Folks were nice, but at that level there's no real roles yet (tanking, healing ...).
I'm loving the soundtrack, btw. It's a good mix between stuff from the movies, from the first two games, and new music. I liked the tune in the Coruscant Senate Plaza.
I haven't played dark side much (want to save that for live), but one early side quest on Hutta showed that Dark Side is *really* dark.
[Minor Spoiler - very early quest]
A mother comes to you, telling you that her husband took their force sensitive child away so he doesn't have to go to the Sith Academy on Korriban.
When you confront the father he says that he used to be at the Academy, and that he knows that you either succeed or die there. He couldn't cut it and escaped, barely. He doesn't want the same for his son.
He begs you to keep his secret and leave him be. The Dark Side choice is to punish him, i.e. shoot him in front of his kid son. The kid cries over his dead Papa - and you can tell him that one day he will thank you for what you did before you return to the mother to claim your reward (she promised you "all she has").
What I found on PvP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be3YRSgec9k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be3YRSgec9k) Seems like AB.
Sorry did not relize how dated the trailer was this might be MUCH more beneficial http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/05/05/hands-on-star-wars-the-old-republic-pvp/ (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/05/05/hands-on-star-wars-the-old-republic-pvp/)
QuoteThere's also something called Resolve in there, which is designed to prevent the frustration of being constantly Area Of Effected to death. AoE attacks will stop working on a player for a short time, meaning others will have to resort to more elaborate tactics.
This looks promising
QuoteBadges award players with Valour. Valour is the PvP equivalent of XP, which while not able to exceed your current XP level, will let you unlock unique equipment. And the higher your Valour, the more important you are in the game's Warzones. You can also spend Valour on stims – the injections that give you a temporary advantage in combat – from stim vendors found near spawn points in maps.
Seems interesting....
QuoteSo there's nothing that we haven't seen before, clearly trying to borrow from FPS multiplayer in the same way as, say, Global Agenda. And for many in the room it seemed to be lots of fun.
For me, with an Imperial Agent, it was a tedious, miserable experience. Relying on the game's cover system proved surprisingly untroubling in the PvE content. There was such an abundance of things to hide behind that I rarely felt unable to join in. Here, at any point when another couple of players attacked me, it became clear that all I could do was wait to die, respawn, and repeat.
Not so interesting... :(
Quotehis was standard Conquest multiplayer. Yes – it's a great opportunity to pit your character's skill setup against other players, and it's certainly more interesting than an old-fashioned PvP slaughter field, but it's certainly nothing new.
Seems Tamas may have called it with nothing brand new...
QuoteJust not this PvP diversion that felt like it belonged somewhere else, in a game that wasn't about delivering smart story and witty content.
This is most likely be the reason I do not get into this game... I am a very PvPcentic person.
I share Syt's feelings: I am very surprised that I enjoyed it, but I did.
Quote from: Syt on November 27, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
I haven't played dark side much (want to save that for live), but one early side quest on Hutta showed that Dark Side is *really* dark.
[Minor Spoiler - very early quest]
A mother comes to you, telling you that her husband took their force sensitive child away so he doesn't have to go to the Sith Academy on Korriban.
When you confront the father he says that he used to be at the Academy, and that he knows that you either succeed or die there. He couldn't cut it and escaped, barely. He doesn't want the same for his son.
He begs you to keep his secret and leave him be. The Dark Side choice is to punish him, i.e. shoot him in front of his kid son. The kid cries over his dead Papa - and you can tell him that one day he will thank you for what you did before you return to the mother to claim your reward (she promised you "all she has").
I've found that contrary to what was claimed, there is very little nuance to the Sith side. Dark side is really dark. I doubt very much I'd play a Sith toon for any length of time. Even this weekend I've been playing a Sith Inquisitor, and while I like the overall game, I don't like that storyline.
Quote from: Syt on November 27, 2011, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2011, 10:02:09 AM
You know, I've been playing a little more, and it is growing on me.
I want to see how the grouping is - has anyone tried that?
One thing is that so far there is zero challenge. Every quest I just blow through everything without much need to think about it at all.
Biggest challenge so far has been going through the final "training droid" mission as Jedi Consular on Tython. The last enemy is an elite that can really kick your bum. On Coruscant was one quest that also ended with fighting an elite that was pretty close.
Overall I've died a few times when I got in over my head, e.g. seven or eight mobs that are my level or slightly above (happened a few times in Flesh Raider territory).
But in total the game has been pretty forgiving so far.
Only group quest I did was Chamber of Speech on Tython with a PUG. Folks were nice, but at that level there's no real roles yet (tanking, healing ...).
I'm loving the soundtrack, btw. It's a good mix between stuff from the movies, from the first two games, and new music. I liked the tune in the Coruscant Senate Plaza.
As I mentioned I've been playing a Sith Inquisitor (equivalent to JC). I wonder if they need to work on the difficulty for light armour classes, as a couple of missions I found were very difficult until I finally got a companion who could tank for me.
Lndhnd and I are both in. I'm not playing any of the beta stuff. Not power leveling either. No desire to do the rush to end game. I love the Star Wars universe and am really looking forward to the story line. Rolling Sith Warrior from the start. Looking forward to tanking again.
Hey Stoney, a bunch of my guildies from WoW are gonna be trying this out, we have 15 or so of us at start. If you two are interested in joining on PVE East coast server let me know.
DIAF.
Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
Hey Stoney, a bunch of my guildies from WoW are gonna be trying this out, we have 15 or so of us at start. If you two are interested in joining on PVE East coast server let me know.
Empire or Republic? :)
The only sensible choice of course....
Empire
Quote from: Barrister on November 27, 2011, 04:44:31 PM
Quote from: Syt on November 27, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
I haven't played dark side much (want to save that for live), but one early side quest on Hutta showed that Dark Side is *really* dark.
[Minor Spoiler - very early quest]
A mother comes to you, telling you that her husband took their force sensitive child away so he doesn't have to go to the Sith Academy on Korriban.
When you confront the father he says that he used to be at the Academy, and that he knows that you either succeed or die there. He couldn't cut it and escaped, barely. He doesn't want the same for his son.
He begs you to keep his secret and leave him be. The Dark Side choice is to punish him, i.e. shoot him in front of his kid son. The kid cries over his dead Papa - and you can tell him that one day he will thank you for what you did before you return to the mother to claim your reward (she promised you "all she has").
I've found that contrary to what was claimed, there is very little nuance to the Sith side. Dark side is really dark. I doubt very much I'd play a Sith toon for any length of time. Even this weekend I've been playing a Sith Inquisitor, and while I like the overall game, I don't like that storyline.
Sounds like fun. You and Fahdiz Skywalker can go do do-goody stuff and diddle some protocol droids.
Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
Hey Stoney, a bunch of my guildies from WoW are gonna be trying this out, we have 15 or so of us at start. If you two are interested in joining on PVE East coast server let me know.
Make it a PVP server and we can talk. :) Some of Lndhnd and I's old guildies are doing the same thing. PVP server is a must for me, however.
i figured as much, but had to ask.
I know these guildies won't move to PVP servers.
I am actually not married to the idea of a PvP server, actually.
The best PvP in WoW was not world PvP anyway.
Well Like Tamas i haven't tried PVP in SWTOR, but unlike him i won't make any guesses as to what it will be like.
Quote from: katmai on November 28, 2011, 02:02:22 AM
Well Like Tamas i haven't tried PVP in SWTOR, but unlike him i won't make any guesses as to what it will be like.
weakling
Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2011, 10:20:03 PM
The only sensible choice of course....
Empire
:rolleyes:
I ran the first Empire dungeon last night. Everyone yelled at me when I won the roll and we didn't just mindlessly kill the ship captain. :lol:
I actually have found the sith/jedi light/dark thing kind of stupid so far.
I mean, what does it mean if my Sith character makes light side choices all the time?
And the "evil" of the Sith is so sophomoric and stupid...
Quote from: Berkut on November 28, 2011, 10:57:06 AM
I actually have found the sith/jedi light/dark thing kind of stupid so far.
I mean, what does it mean if my Sith character makes light side choices all the time?
And the "evil" of the Sith is so sophomoric and stupid...
Items/abilities may require Light or Dark alignment.
Quote from: Berkut on November 28, 2011, 10:57:06 AM
I actually have found the sith/jedi light/dark thing kind of stupid so far.
I mean, what does it mean if my Sith character makes light side choices all the time?
And the "evil" of the Sith is so sophomoric and stupid...
THANK YOU. Finally someone who agrees with me.
The light side / dark side choices on the Republic aren't great, but they at least present themselves as two rational choices. MOst of the Empire ones I've seen revolve around whether you wish to be needlessly violent and cruel or not.
So is anybody out there planning on playing this game Republic side? Ultimately I don't care too much about PvP vs PvE rule sets.
Quote from: Berkut on November 28, 2011, 10:57:06 AM
I actually have found the sith/jedi light/dark thing kind of stupid so far.
I mean, what does it mean if my Sith character makes light side choices all the time?
And the "evil" of the Sith is so sophomoric and stupid...
The text for one of the Sith chars seemed to imply you can align with the Dark Council or go Renegade - if that's really in the game as meaningful options . . . I don't know.
However, it seems your decisions in quests and dialogues can influence your companions for better or worse. Though, like an abusive spouse, you can try to buy them off with gifts when you mistreat them, it seems.
Quote from: Barrister on November 28, 2011, 12:51:56 PM
So is anybody out there planning on playing this game Republic side? Ultimately I don't care too much about PvP vs PvE rule sets.
I will probably try a smuggler at some point, though not right away. I think it might be fun to play a light side Bounty Hunter or a dark side Smuggler.
Quote from: Barrister on November 28, 2011, 12:51:56 PM
So is anybody out there planning on playing this game Republic side? Ultimately I don't care too much about PvP vs PvE rule sets.
I will be. Just pre-ordered today.
Quote from: Barrister on November 28, 2011, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 28, 2011, 10:57:06 AM
I actually have found the sith/jedi light/dark thing kind of stupid so far.
I mean, what does it mean if my Sith character makes light side choices all the time?
And the "evil" of the Sith is so sophomoric and stupid...
THANK YOU. Finally someone who agrees with me.
The light side / dark side choices on the Republic aren't great, but they at least present themselves as two rational choices. MOst of the Empire ones I've seen revolve around whether you wish to be needlessly violent and cruel or not.
IMO the main dichotomy of the force is not so much good vs evil as it is
calm vs emotion. Games have done a generally poor job of depicting that. It's usually cruel vs nice or selfish vs unselfish. I'd like to see it done better for once.
How the fuck someone force-sensitive can be a "good" Sith? :hmm:
The Dark Side is about tapping into one's passion and primal emotions (like fear, hate, anger, and lust) to fuel the use of the force, thus focusing inward, to one's own selfish desires, usually power, glory, or domination. Even if those wants are "good", as in helping someone you love, the whole point about the Dark Side is the corruption of power. Even if badly written, the prequels makes the point with Darth Vader that even if the aim of the one is virtuous, the means leads you to further corruption and debases you in the end.
Lucas didn't aim for some moral relativism in force users. Jedis = good, Siths = bad. It's the whole nonsense about grey uberpowered anti-heroes that have fueled the fantasy of moral relativist Star Wars nerds, including those who have written the whole EU setting of Star Wars, that one force-user could be both or neither. And sadly, Bioware caters to that crowd, when Lucas plainly showed that it wasn't the case : As soon as you start meddling on the Dark Side, no one comes back from it alive. Even Vader, who was The Chosen One, died in the process.
Any wishy-washy Sith Apprentice would usually be culled by someone more ruthless and impatient at the Sith Academy in Korriban, anyway. <
The problem though is that that model doesn't work for any kind of organized Sith society beyond outcasts and renegades. How could you ever put together anything liek a stable system if everyone is 100% driven by purely selfish behavior combined with a moral model that values personal power over everything else?
That works fine in Lucas world - there the Sith are rare and individual. They dominant other non-Sith. But no society where there are LOTS of Siths could possible work...
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:24:55 AM
The problem though is that that model doesn't work for any kind of organized Sith society beyond outcasts and renegades. How could you ever put together anything liek a stable system if everyone is 100% driven by purely selfish behavior combined with a moral model that values personal power over everything else?
That works fine in Lucas world - there the Sith are rare and individual. They dominant other non-Sith. But no society where there are LOTS of Siths could possible work...
Fear will keep the local Sith in line.
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:24:55 AM
The problem though is that that model doesn't work for any kind of organized Sith society beyond outcasts and renegades. How could you ever put together anything liek a stable system if everyone is 100% driven by purely selfish behavior combined with a moral model that values personal power over everything else?
That works fine in Lucas world - there the Sith are rare and individual. They dominant other non-Sith. But no society where there are LOTS of Siths could possible work...
BioWare did a reasonable job of describing a Sith society IMHO. It's basically unreconstructed fascism - that struggle is the natural order and is healthy, that the strong shall survive and the weak shall fall.
Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:24:55 AM
The problem though is that that model doesn't work for any kind of organized Sith society beyond outcasts and renegades. How could you ever put together anything liek a stable system if everyone is 100% driven by purely selfish behavior combined with a moral model that values personal power over everything else?
That works fine in Lucas world - there the Sith are rare and individual. They dominant other non-Sith. But no society where there are LOTS of Siths could possible work...
BioWare did a reasonable job of describing a Sith society IMHO. It's basically unreconstructed fascism - that struggle is the natural order and is healthy, that the strong shall survive and the weak shall fall.
But societies don't actually work where the "weak" are falling all the time - that results in a lot of people ending up dead, and some of those are your best people.
A society where over some period of time 50% of the people kill the other 50% is not really workable.
At some point the entire purpose of "society" is cooperation, and the ridiculously evil Sith ethos of pure selfishness and greed would make cooperation impossible for anything more than a cursory amount of time.
Hell, how do you have laws when the strong are simply encouraged to take from the not strong? How does business ever get done if someone knows that the moment they aren't watching, someone is going to kill your employees and just take stuff because they can, and it is encouraged?
No society based on actual evil morality could ever function unless it was combined with a very top down and rigid law structure - basically dictatorship of the strong along with the standard power structure that dictatorship always creates, which is generally extremely inflexible and rigid. Not this "triumph of the strong over the not quite as strong" at every step of the power ladder.
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:24:55 AM
The problem though is that that model doesn't work for any kind of organized Sith society beyond outcasts and renegades. How could you ever put together anything liek a stable system if everyone is 100% driven by purely selfish behavior combined with a moral model that values personal power over everything else?
That works fine in Lucas world - there the Sith are rare and individual. They dominant other non-Sith. But no society where there are LOTS of Siths could possible work...
BioWare did a reasonable job of describing a Sith society IMHO. It's basically unreconstructed fascism - that struggle is the natural order and is healthy, that the strong shall survive and the weak shall fall.
But societies don't actually work where the "weak" are falling all the time - that results in a lot of people ending up dead, and some of those are your best people.
A society where over some period of time 50% of the people kill the other 50% is not really workable.
At some point the entire purpose of "society" is cooperation, and the ridiculously evil Sith ethos of pure selfishness and greed would make cooperation impossible for anything more than a cursory amount of time.
Hell, how do you have laws when the strong are simply encouraged to take from the not strong? How does business ever get done if someone knows that the moment they aren't watching, someone is going to kill your employees and just take stuff because they can, and it is encouraged?
No society based on actual evil morality could ever function unless it was combined with a very top down and rigid law structure - basically dictatorship of the strong along with the standard power structure that dictatorship always creates, which is generally extremely inflexible and rigid. Not this "triumph of the strong over the not quite as strong" at every step of the power ladder.
What you are describing sounds very much like modern day Russia to be honest. And while you can certainly argue that it doesn't work well, the entire society isn't exactly collapsing right at the moment.
Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2011, 12:08:13 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:24:55 AM
The problem though is that that model doesn't work for any kind of organized Sith society beyond outcasts and renegades. How could you ever put together anything liek a stable system if everyone is 100% driven by purely selfish behavior combined with a moral model that values personal power over everything else?
That works fine in Lucas world - there the Sith are rare and individual. They dominant other non-Sith. But no society where there are LOTS of Siths could possible work...
BioWare did a reasonable job of describing a Sith society IMHO. It's basically unreconstructed fascism - that struggle is the natural order and is healthy, that the strong shall survive and the weak shall fall.
But societies don't actually work where the "weak" are falling all the time - that results in a lot of people ending up dead, and some of those are your best people.
A society where over some period of time 50% of the people kill the other 50% is not really workable.
At some point the entire purpose of "society" is cooperation, and the ridiculously evil Sith ethos of pure selfishness and greed would make cooperation impossible for anything more than a cursory amount of time.
Hell, how do you have laws when the strong are simply encouraged to take from the not strong? How does business ever get done if someone knows that the moment they aren't watching, someone is going to kill your employees and just take stuff because they can, and it is encouraged?
No society based on actual evil morality could ever function unless it was combined with a very top down and rigid law structure - basically dictatorship of the strong along with the standard power structure that dictatorship always creates, which is generally extremely inflexible and rigid. Not this "triumph of the strong over the not quite as strong" at every step of the power ladder.
What you are describing sounds very much like modern day Russia to be honest. And while you can certainly argue that it doesn't work well, the entire society isn't exactly collapsing right at the moment.
No, people in Russia do not routinely kill each other the moment they think they are stronger than their superiors.
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:10:29 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2011, 12:08:13 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:05:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:24:55 AM
The problem though is that that model doesn't work for any kind of organized Sith society beyond outcasts and renegades. How could you ever put together anything liek a stable system if everyone is 100% driven by purely selfish behavior combined with a moral model that values personal power over everything else?
That works fine in Lucas world - there the Sith are rare and individual. They dominant other non-Sith. But no society where there are LOTS of Siths could possible work...
BioWare did a reasonable job of describing a Sith society IMHO. It's basically unreconstructed fascism - that struggle is the natural order and is healthy, that the strong shall survive and the weak shall fall.
But societies don't actually work where the "weak" are falling all the time - that results in a lot of people ending up dead, and some of those are your best people.
A society where over some period of time 50% of the people kill the other 50% is not really workable.
At some point the entire purpose of "society" is cooperation, and the ridiculously evil Sith ethos of pure selfishness and greed would make cooperation impossible for anything more than a cursory amount of time.
Hell, how do you have laws when the strong are simply encouraged to take from the not strong? How does business ever get done if someone knows that the moment they aren't watching, someone is going to kill your employees and just take stuff because they can, and it is encouraged?
No society based on actual evil morality could ever function unless it was combined with a very top down and rigid law structure - basically dictatorship of the strong along with the standard power structure that dictatorship always creates, which is generally extremely inflexible and rigid. Not this "triumph of the strong over the not quite as strong" at every step of the power ladder.
What you are describing sounds very much like modern day Russia to be honest. And while you can certainly argue that it doesn't work well, the entire society isn't exactly collapsing right at the moment.
No, people in Russia do not routinely kill each other the moment they think they are stronger than their superiors.
and neither do they in Bioware's Sith Empire.
Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
BioWare did a reasonable job of describing a Sith society IMHO. It's basically unreconstructed fascism - that struggle is the natural order and is healthy, that the strong shall survive and the weak shall fall.
There was a very ritualized way the Sith went about bumping each other off. But ultimately this is why the Sith lose and why Darth Bane created the rule of 2. :nerd:
Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2011, 12:11:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:10:29 PM
No, people in Russia do not routinely kill each other the moment they think they are stronger than their superiors.
and neither do they in Bioware's Sith Empire.
They don't? I thought they did. I guess I don't know much about it then. From trailers and such for SWOL, it seems like the Sith are killing each other pretty regularly, enough so that it seems almost routine.
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2011, 12:11:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 12:10:29 PM
No, people in Russia do not routinely kill each other the moment they think they are stronger than their superiors.
and neither do they in Bioware's Sith Empire.
They don't? I thought they did. I guess I don't know much about it then. From trailers and such for SWOL, it seems like the Sith are killing each other pretty regularly, enough so that it seems almost routine.
Well...
SLight spoilers below:
I played the Sith Inquisitor to level 10. You're a slave, but with talent so they're training you to be a sith. Your overseer though thinks no slave can be a sith, and keeps comparing you to a trueborn sith that is his treasured pupil. He'd like nothing more than for you to die, and does send you off on what he figured will be suicide missions, but it is also made clear that he can't simple murder you because his superiors wouldn't like it.
Like I said, it kind of reminds me of Russia. There is a justice system, but power and influence have ways of getting what they want - but not out in the open.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith
QuoteThe Sith believed that conflict was the only true test of one's ability, and so emphasized its importance. It was their belief that conflict challenged both individuals and civilizations, and so forced them to grow and evolve. They believed that the avoidance of conflict–like the pacifist teachings of the Jedi–resulted in stagnation and decline.
Another purpose served by conflict was the elevation of the strong and the death of the weak. By encouraging strife, the strong were able to exercise their power while the weak were weeded from the ranks of the Sith. A core tenet to Sith philosophy was self-reliance and the idea that an individual only deserved what they were strong enough to take. Likewise, morality was treated as an obstacle to be overcome, as it got in the way of a Sith's ability to recognize and seize opportunities for advancement and self-empowerment.
Such philosophies were embraced and taught at Sith academies, where students were encouraged to challenge one another and fight for prestige that would be recognized by the headmaster of the academy. At the academy on Korriban during the Jedi Civil War, students were tasked with gaining prestige so they might become one of the "chosen few" accepted into the ranks of Darth Malak's Sith Empire. The strife to achieve prestige caused rivalries and animosity between the students, as there were few tasks that offered prestige, and many prospective Sith. Similarly, the students of the academy during the New Sith Wars were pitted against each other in dueling sessions atop the academy. It was during these dueling sessions that intense rivalries were formed - rivalries that resulted in the deaths of students Fohargh and Sirak at the hands of Darth Bane.
Also:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Empire
(One should remember that the original Sith were natives of Korriban who later intermingled with Dark Jedi)
QuoteBefore the formation of the empire, the Sith were engaged in constant warfare with one another though this was seen as an acceptable practice as they believed it to be a fundamental aspect of their existence. This meant that they lived both a barbaric yet strangely harmonious existence on their homeworld. The early Sith often engaged in sentient sacrifices which they made to their deities.[2] Their constant warring led to a dwindling of the population on their original homeworld of Korriban as well as cultivated an intensely xenophobic society.[23] After the arrival of the Exiles, only those that were Force sensitive had the capacity to reach the upper echlons of the Sith Empire. Those that were blind to the Force were considered useless; fit for only common labor purposes or simple bureacratic work. Amongst the elite, power was craved due to the intense feelings of greed perpetrated by the Dark side which also meant that these individuals were also ambitious as well as paranoid. This society encouraged the survival of the fittest with only the most ruthless and powerful rising to positions of power as well as surviving.[9]
This empire ultimately thrived on slavery as well as exploitation and oppression of the masses. In addition, they lived in constant belief that they would face external threats to their dominion and thus had a belief in expansion or dying. Some believed that this was a necessity for the Sith as they hungered for new lands and riches to bring under their control. This allowed for Naga Sadow to lead his forces during the Great Hyperspace War though despite this being the case, there were other traditional and more conservative factions that believed in remaining within their territory in order to preserve their ways.[10]
During the time of the first Sith Empire, there were many instances of travelers stumbling into Sith space where they became slaves to one of the many members of the nobility. Over the years of enslavement, these aliens and outsiders continued to live for generations whereupon they forgot their origins thus turning them into true subjects of the Sith. Some Sith Lords even found value in the descendants of these foreigners such as those of the Tapani worlds due to their skills in science. Natural born Sith tended to focus on sorcery while the Tapani's excellence in the fields of science meant that they became valued members of the empire and developed the industrial as well as medical infrastructure for several Sith Lords. Through such means as those presented by the Tapani, the Sith developed new lightsaber construction techniques that more advanced than those produced by either Sith or Jedi. However, the intense rivalry and fierce competitive nature of Sith society meant that ranking Sith Lords never shared these new developments or weapons. Among the Sith, about glorification of self and the subjugation of others was a constant aspect within their society.[11]
One of the greatest secrets of the ancient Sith was their devotion to the arts of Sith sorcery. As such, those individuals that practiced this art took on the title of Sith mages who held great mystical power that allowed them to cause stars to go supernova.[4] The original Sith were also quite skilled in the art of Sith alchemy though it was the Dark Jedi Exiles who later became Sith Lords that perfected the ability.[28] Originally, the species was noted a united people who instead preferred to stay within different and divided tribes. These were led by one or more sorcerors who were in charge with the groups protection. This remained the case until the arrival of the Exiles who took interest in the species techniques in drawing on the power of the Dark Side of the Force which they used to accomplish their sorcery.[19] This practice was used by pure blood Sith who often dwelled in Library-temples where they sat in meditation as well as recorded their experiences as well as experiments.[5] They also created many tools designed to enhance or project their power which was commonly seen in Sith talismans. These Dark side empowered constructs were capable of a wide range of feats from being simple concentration tools to being a trap that turned other Force users to the Dark side when being used or defensive tools that absorbed weapon fire and even being used for healing.[19] They also created special chambers and sanctuaries that amplified the power of the Force which were either used as Meditation chamber or Focusing chambers.[27] One of the greater feats was the capacity to create sentient vessels such as Meditation Spheres that were capable of enhancing the power of a Sith sorcerer.
The Sith Empire had also made use of droids and recognized their potential as security troops leading to several different designs to be produced. Schematics for these droids were often stored within holocrons and though their inner workings were inferior to later generation droids, the fact that Sith alchemy was used in their construction meant that their outer plating was equal to a low powered shield generator.[27]
And
QuoteGovernment and PoliticsEdit
Ludo Kressh duels Naga Sadow before Marka Ragnos for rights to the title of Dark Lord of the Sith.
"They must be precursors to an invasion...we should kill them at once!"
"No—not until we interrogate them. They may be alien spies...or they may be the key to ripe new fields for the Sith Lords to conquer."
―Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow discuss the Daragons[src]
Much of the structure of the Empire had changed following 6900 BBY due to the arrival of the Dark Jedi Exiles. Their government was ultimately led by a cabal of Sith Lords with a single Dark Lord who served as ruler of his people. It was these individuals that controlled the now Force-using magogracy of the Sith Empire. Their society also was left in a state of perpetual conflict as these rival Sith Lords often raised their own personal armies in order to unseat the ruling Dark Lord.[3]
The Dark Lord of the Sith was typically given to the individual by their deceased predecessor who manifested as a Dark Side Spirit after being interned within their tomb.[9] The cabal beneath him were the Sith Council who were a body of advisors to the reigning Dark Lord of the Sith. It consisted of ten members made up of Sith Lords within the empire. Each Lord on the Council personally ruled over a dozen worlds. This Council convened in a great citadel on Ziost. In this ancient age, the Lords of the Sith Empire were the undisputed masters of the worlds that fell under their control.[25]
Political factions were also known to exist within the ranks of the government of the Sith Empire with such coalitions formed around specific Sith Lords.
Warcraft lore sure doesn't spark this kind of conversation.
Score that a win for SWTOR.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 30, 2011, 02:37:21 PM
Warcraft lore sure doesn't spark this kind of conversation.
Score that a win for SWTOR.
SWTOR has little to do with it.
WoW lore was created to explain the game. This MMO was created because of the lore. It is not so surprising that people will have strong views about SW lore and not care one wit about WoW lore.
That is actually pretty interesting stuff Syt. Does Bioware embrace that kind of stuff as canon?
Hell, that makes me a little more able to actually play the Sith, they don't seem nearly so stupid after reading that...
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 03:16:20 PM
That is actually pretty interesting stuff Syt. Does Bioware embrace that kind of stuff as canon?
Hell, that makes me a little more able to actually play the Sith, they don't seem nearly so stupid after reading that...
Yes, they embrace it as canon. In fact I think Bioware helped create big chunks of it through the original KOTOR game.
From what I gather reading that big wall of text, this game takes place a few years after the sacking of Coruscant, which is mentioned.
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 03:16:20 PM
That is actually pretty interesting stuff Syt. Does Bioware embrace that kind of stuff as canon?
Hell, that makes me a little more able to actually play the Sith, they don't seem nearly so stupid after reading that...
Did you play the KOTORs? I seems like Bioware either heavily used it, if didn't have a hand in inventing it themselves.
There were Old Republic comics in the 90s (e.g. Freedon Nadd Uprising, Hyperspace Wars, Golden Age of the Sith etc.). Bioware picked up on the setting and expanded it.
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 01:30:03 PM
They don't? I thought they did. I guess I don't know much about it then. From trailers and such for SWOL, it seems like the Sith are killing each other pretty regularly, enough so that it seems almost routine.
I'm pretty sure not everyone in the Sith Empire are force-users, though. So the whole Sith social darwinist philosophy we see in SWTOR is among those who count: Sith apprentices and their masters.
The rest of the population are probably seen as cogs in the machine at best, or sub-racial slaves at worst, and thus routinely trampled on and fed orders but left alone unless they do a botched job.
Indeed the Sith are just a small upper class of the whole Empire.
And by Sith, i mean the force users, not the Sith "purebloods" which are a hybridized race of the original Korriban natives and the Dark Jedi who enslaved the world.
What is a Dark Jedi then?
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 05:30:54 PM
What is a Dark Jedi then?
In canonical they were the jedi that broke off thousand of years ago and founded the "Sith"
In the MMO, not sure how it will all work out with you being able to be "dark" jedi of the republic, yadda yadda
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 28, 2011, 11:22:04 PM
od vs evil as it is calm vs emotion. Games have done a generally poor job of depicting that. It's usually cruel vs nice or selfish vs unselfish. I'd like to see it done better for once.
I think you're casting your own assumptions on the Sith because lightning is cool. How many Sith lords didn't seem to casually toss orphans into the vacuum of space for the LOLZ?
Quote from: katmai on November 30, 2011, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 05:30:54 PM
What is a Dark Jedi then?
In canonical they were the jedi that broke off thousand of years ago and founded the "Sith"
In the MMO, not sure how it will all work out with you being able to be "dark" jedi of the republic, yadda yadda
I was rather surprised to see the Sith purebloods reappear as playable race in TOR.
Meanwhile, Rodians, Trandoshans, Wookies or Bothans are left out. And why the heck did they include a human cyborg race? It would make more sense to be able to add cybernetic implants throughout the game (like in Star Wars Galaxies, though it was kinda silly when later on almost all high level chars seemed to have robot arms/legs).
Yeah Cyborg seems silly to me, i mean as it's own separate race.
Quote from: katmai on December 01, 2011, 01:34:09 AM
Yeah Cyborg seems silly to me, i mean as it's own separate race.
Wait, Chiss are a playable race? Did they even bother to look up the Star Wars canon?
Quote from: Faeelin on December 01, 2011, 02:06:30 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 01, 2011, 01:34:09 AM
Yeah Cyborg seems silly to me, i mean as it's own separate race.
Wait, Chiss are a playable race? Did they even bother to look up the Star Wars canon?
Retconned!
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chiss
QuoteThough the Chiss were not widely known to the greater galaxy, examples of their technology were known to exist as far back as 3,951 BBY when samples of their charric weapons were being sold on the planet Onderon.[13] When the Sith Empire returned to fight the Republic once more during the Great Galactic War and the Cold War, the Chiss Ascendancy was the only actual ally of the Empire, unlike all the species that the empire subjugated, and some Chiss were known to serve as Imperial Agents[14] or bounty hunters.
I don't mind, really. The three to four millennia between TOR and Ep. IV give a lot of leeway. Heck, there's been a Selkath character (natives of Manaan in KotOR 1) on Clone Wars, even though you never saw/heard of the race in between.
Quote from: Syt on December 01, 2011, 01:19:25 AM
Quote from: katmai on November 30, 2011, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 30, 2011, 05:30:54 PM
What is a Dark Jedi then?
In canonical they were the jedi that broke off thousand of years ago and founded the "Sith"
In the MMO, not sure how it will all work out with you being able to be "dark" jedi of the republic, yadda yadda
I was rather surprised to see the Sith purebloods reappear as playable race in TOR.
Meanwhile, Rodians, Trandoshans, Wookies or Bothans are left out. And why the heck did they include a human cyborg race? It would make more sense to be able to add cybernetic implants throughout the game (like in Star Wars Galaxies, though it was kinda silly when later on almost all high level chars seemed to have robot arms/legs).
All the races are humans (or recoloured humans) by design. Because of the storylines (and voice acting) they felt they needed to have everyone be a more-or-less recognizable human. I guess they wanted to avoid having Rodian-human romance scenes. :huh:
What is inside the head tentacle things on those critters with the two giant head tentacle things?
Quote from: Berkut on December 01, 2011, 09:43:31 AM
What is inside the head tentacle things on those critters with the two giant head tentacle things?
The Twi'leks?
Quoteadvanced organs used for communication and cognitive functions
In Star Wars Galaxies you could actually use the lekku for communicating (only understandable by other Twi'lek by default).
:nerd:
http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20111201
QuoteThe Collector's Edition of Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ includes seventeen original tracks, but this is just a small sampling of the breadth of music that was composed specifically for the game. As we count down the days until our December 20th launch, we want you to experience the entire original score! That's why, starting today and continuing every day until launch, we are releasing one new musical track available for download each day on both Facebook and YouTube!
You can head over to our Facebook page right now to listen to and discuss "The Mandalorian Blockade", the first track that we've released. This track is also available to download below, and all of the released tracks will be available for download from this page on December 20th. Make sure that you check back to Facebook each day to listen to the latest musical score from the game, and while you're there remember to 'Like' us so that you don't miss a single track.
Download Now:
TheMandalorianBlockade.mp3
From 3:50 on it puts me in the mind of old epic movies, like Ben Hur, Ten Commandments or Quo Vadis or Italian sandal movies.
Ok, I'm pretty sure I'm in for this game, and I got my bro to agree to play on any PvE server that anyone else has decided to play on. So let's coordinate this shit, yo. :cool:
edit: He and I both want to do Imperials initially.
Quote from: Caliga on December 02, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
edit: He and I both want to do Imperials initially.
Thats unfortunate because it looks like Katmai's group (sith I belive) is going to be pretty good. Almost gets me to the point of thinking I might pick this up. Almost.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 02, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
edit: He and I both want to do Imperials initially.
Thats unfortunate because it looks like Katmai's group (sith I belive) is going to be pretty good. Almost gets me to the point of thinking I might pick this up. Almost.
Sith = Imperials.
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2011, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 02, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
edit: He and I both want to do Imperials initially.
Thats unfortunate because it looks like Katmai's group (sith I belive) is going to be pretty good. Almost gets me to the point of thinking I might pick this up. Almost.
Sith = Imperials.
Ok then he is fine.
And shouldnt you be reading law instead of star wars lore? :P
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2011, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 02, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
edit: He and I both want to do Imperials initially.
Thats unfortunate because it looks like Katmai's group (sith I belive) is going to be pretty good. Almost gets me to the point of thinking I might pick this up. Almost.
Sith = Imperials.
Ok then he is fine.
And shouldnt you be reading law instead of star wars lore? :P
I just finished up my written submissions on a sentencing. :cool: I read more law than I have for quite a while.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2011, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 02, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
edit: He and I both want to do Imperials initially.
Thats unfortunate because it looks like Katmai's group (sith I belive) is going to be pretty good. Almost gets me to the point of thinking I might pick this up. Almost.
Sith = Imperials.
Ok then he is fine.
And shouldnt you be reading law instead of star wars lore? :P
:huh: He doesn't work in private practice.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 02, 2011, 12:11:19 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2011, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 02, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
edit: He and I both want to do Imperials initially.
Thats unfortunate because it looks like Katmai's group (sith I belive) is going to be pretty good. Almost gets me to the point of thinking I might pick this up. Almost.
Sith = Imperials.
Ok then he is fine.
And shouldnt you be reading law instead of star wars lore? :P
:huh: He doesn't work in private practice.
Which means he reads a lot more law then I do...
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 02, 2011, 12:11:19 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2011, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 02, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 02, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
edit: He and I both want to do Imperials initially.
Thats unfortunate because it looks like Katmai's group (sith I belive) is going to be pretty good. Almost gets me to the point of thinking I might pick this up. Almost.
Sith = Imperials.
Ok then he is fine.
And shouldnt you be reading law instead of star wars lore? :P
:huh: He doesn't work in private practice.
Which means he reads a lot more law then I do...
MArtin's annotated Criminal Code give me 99% of everything I need to know. :blush:
If Kat can get me in to their guild, I would play on a PvE server.
Can anyone log in now? The play button on the launcher is not active for me right now for some reason.
Just did my pre-order. Excited!
Quote from: Berkut on December 03, 2011, 03:29:19 PM
If Kat can get me in to their guild, I would play on a PvE server.
Can anyone log in now? The play button on the launcher is not active for me right now for some reason.
You wont have any trouble getting in. Just tell them Hartaz (katmai) sent you.
Quote from: Berkut on December 03, 2011, 03:29:19 PM
If Kat can get me in to their guild, I would play on a PvE server.
Can anyone log in now? The play button on the launcher is not active for me right now for some reason.
I can get you in no problem.
Nope only people who can play atm were those invited for last beta weekend.
The guild has been all setup and just waiting to get email about which east coast server we will be on, will let you know as soon as i do.
Enjoy your wookie grooming quests.
Was not impressed by the beta, although I liked the high level of polish and smooth integration of Force powers.
Well, they throw in two more potential early access days:
http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20111207
QuoteEarly Game Access
Customers who pre-order Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ will be able to play the game before the official launch. "Early Game Access" is the period of time before the official game launch when pre-order customers may access the game. Early Game Access may begin as early as December 13, 2011, 7:00AM EST (Pacific: December 13th, 4:00AM PST; European: December 13th, 12:00PM GMT, 1:00PM CET). The length of your Early Game Access depends on the date and order in which you redeemed your Pre-Order Code at the Code Redemption Center. See the FAQ for more details.
To ensure you are ready to get into the game for Early Game Access, follow the instructions provided below to finalize your account activation and pre-load the Game Client.
Instructions
Pre-order the game
Redeem your Pre-Order Code to be eligible for Early Game Access
Uninstall the Game Testing Client
If you participated in The Old Republic Game Testing Program, but did not participate in the November 25th-28th or December 2nd-4th Beta Weekends, first uninstall the Game Testing Client before moving on to the next step. If you did participate in either of these Beta Weekends, there is no need to uninstall your Game Client. Visit the FAQ for instructions on how to uninstall your Game Testing Client.
PRE-LOAD: Download the Launch Game Client
If you have completed the steps above, please visit http://www.swtor.com/download to pre-load the Game Client.
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Invitation to Play the Game Early
Starting December 13, 2011, 7:00AM EST (Pacific: December 13th, 4:00AM PST; European: December 13th, 12:00PM GMT, 1:00PM CET), The Old Republic will begin emailing invitations to start your Early Game Access. Invitations will be sent throughout the Early Game Access period offering rolling access to the game in the order in which you redeemed your Pre-Order Code, so be sure to check your email inbox!
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Have a Product Registration Code?
If you redeem a Product Registration Code during Early Game Access, your 30 days of included game time will not begin until the game officially launches on December 20, 2011, 12:01AM EST (Pacific: December 19th, 9:01PM PST; European: December 20th, 05:01AM GMT, 06:01AM CET).
Visit the FAQ for more info.
Seems that there is no advance notice of your early access - you'll merely get an email telling you you are ready to go.
Also, there is no grace period. Once it hits midnight CST on December 20th you must have a valid game key attached to your account. Which slightly sucks for anyone who is buying a physical copy.
Quote from: Barrister on December 08, 2011, 01:07:55 PM
Seems that there is no advance notice of your early access - you'll merely get an email telling you you are ready to go.
Also, there is no grace period. Once it hits midnight CST on December 20th you must have a valid game key attached to your account. Which slightly sucks for anyone who is buying a physical copy.
Actually, retailers in Europe will receive their copies on the 15th now. No idea why. Official launch remains the 20th.
Anyways, I won't be able to fully enjoy it before the 23rd (vacation from 23rd to 2nd). Still much to do at work, and I have two short stories I need to polish some more.
Quote from: Syt on December 08, 2011, 01:51:52 PM
Anyways, I won't be able to fully enjoy it before the 23rd (vacation from 23rd to 2nd). Still much to do at work, and I have two short stories I need to polish some more.
Same here - but I'm leaving for Winnipeg. So I can only play from whenever I get early access, to December 21st.
Awesome, I'm on vacation as of the end of business this Friday (till after the New Year!)
Ok, I preordered. Server PLZ.
The game is $60? Ugh...is that becoming the new standard price these days for PC games?
Quote from: JonasSalk on December 10, 2011, 12:35:35 AM
The game is $60? Ugh...is that becoming the new standard price these days for PC games?
Not over here yet. However, PC games have been the one thing in the past 20 years or so that haven't really gone up in price.
Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 01:01:49 AM
Quote from: JonasSalk on December 10, 2011, 12:35:35 AM
The game is $60? Ugh...is that becoming the new standard price these days for PC games?
Not over here yet. However, PC games have been the one thing in the past 20 years or so that haven't really gone up in price.
New releases have been inching their way up over the years. But they often fall dramatically after a few months.
A lot of "big" games (Skyrim, Star Wars, Modern Warfare) are starting off at $60, which is making me refuse to buy them for quite a while.
Quote from: JonasSalk on December 10, 2011, 02:12:33 AM
A lot of "big" games (Skyrim, Star Wars, Modern Warfare) are starting off at $60, which is making me refuse to buy them for quite a while.
Back when I stared playing PC games they were typically about 45 bucks for a new release. Which wasn't bad. Final Fantasy III (I refuse to call it VI), was like 70 bucks when it came out.
LOLWUT
I am preordering it just now, and I am being charged FIVE EUROS OF PRE-ORDER FEE
RLY? SERIOUSLY? I PAY MORE FOR GIVING THEM MY TRUST?
Quote from: Tamas on December 10, 2011, 05:23:49 AM
LOLWUT
I am preordering it just now, and I am being charged FIVE EUROS OF PRE-ORDER FEE
RLY? SERIOUSLY? I PAY MORE FOR GIVING THEM MY TRUST?
It's not a fee - it's a downpayment, and gets credited against your purchase price.
And Jonas - I recall paying like $50 for games 20 or more years ago. The price is really quite reasonable.
I recall one of the Ultimas (6? 7?) was actually DM120.00 when it came out, or ca. 60 €. It was a common price for imported, niche or some high end games of the time. Actually, it was pretty common for console games, too (e.g. Legend of Zelda for NES or stuff like Castlevania or Contra for SNES).
Quote from: Barrister on December 10, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 10, 2011, 05:23:49 AM
LOLWUT
I am preordering it just now, and I am being charged FIVE EUROS OF PRE-ORDER FEE
RLY? SERIOUSLY? I PAY MORE FOR GIVING THEM MY TRUST?
It's not a fee - it's a downpayment, and gets credited against your purchase price.
And Jonas - I recall paying like $50 for games 20 or more years ago. The price is really quite reasonable.
why was the final price base game price plus 5 euros then?
Tamas is right, the online pre-order charges and extra 5 bucks.
I just plopped my $5 pre-order down at the local Gamestop.
Quote from: Barrister on December 10, 2011, 12:37:29 PMAnd Jonas - I recall paying like $50 for games 20 or more years ago. The price is really quite reasonable.
Yes, I know the price has basically been static for about two decades now, although smaller companies generally charge about $40. With the "regular" price coming up to $60, I just can't be bothered to buy the games when they first come out. I'll leave that to the stupids.
And yeah, it looks like the $5 thing is a fee to pre-order. As in, the game is $65 if you pre-order online. WTF.
If I pre-order at Gamestop or whatever do I get a ticket that lets me download the game and play during the early play period?
Hey if the can convince people that pre-ordering something that can downloaded why not charge those same people. Those customers are already hooked on the idea of starting asap. Nice tidy profit.
Damn. I gotta wonder if that's very clearly marked.
Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
I recall one of the Ultimas (6? 7?) was actually DM120.00 when it came out, or ca. 60 €. It was a common price for imported, niche or some high end games of the time. Actually, it was pretty common for console games, too (e.g. Legend of Zelda for NES or stuff like Castlevania or Contra for SNES).
That's actually what I was thinking of - I'm pretty sure I paid $70+ for Ultima V in the late 80s. For the Apple II.
And if they really are charging you an EXTRA 5 for the pre-order, well, tat does indeed suck.
Quote from: Barrister on December 10, 2011, 08:03:34 PM
Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
I recall one of the Ultimas (6? 7?) was actually DM120.00 when it came out, or ca. 60 €. It was a common price for imported, niche or some high end games of the time. Actually, it was pretty common for console games, too (e.g. Legend of Zelda for NES or stuff like Castlevania or Contra for SNES).
That's actually what I was thinking of - I'm pretty sure I paid $70+ for Ultima V in the late 80s. For the Apple II.
And if they really are charging you an EXTRA 5 for the pre-order, well, tat does indeed suck.
I paid 80 bucks for the first Civ.
WitP was $80, but that was because of a physical back-up CD (that I've since lost -_- ). But even without, it was $70.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 11, 2011, 12:11:13 AM
WitP was $80, but that was because of a physical back-up CD (that I've since lost -_- ).
Fuck that noise. I just buy the download versions and will pirate the games if I want to install them. I still keep all my CD keys and have registered all my games, so...
Quote from: Barrister on December 10, 2011, 08:03:34 PM
Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
I recall one of the Ultimas (6? 7?) was actually DM120.00 when it came out, or ca. 60 €. It was a common price for imported, niche or some high end games of the time. Actually, it was pretty common for console games, too (e.g. Legend of Zelda for NES or stuff like Castlevania or Contra for SNES).
That's actually what I was thinking of - I'm pretty sure I paid $70+ for Ultima V in the late 80s. For the Apple II.
And if they really are charging you an EXTRA 5 for the pre-order, well, tat does indeed suck.
Yeah, but wasn't the Canadian dollar worth less the the US dollar at the time? That might explain it. Anyway, 50-60 bucks for a high end PC game seems reasonable this day and age.
Quote from: Barrister on December 10, 2011, 08:03:34 PM
Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
I recall one of the Ultimas (6? 7?) was actually DM120.00 when it came out, or ca. 60 €. It was a common price for imported, niche or some high end games of the time. Actually, it was pretty common for console games, too (e.g. Legend of Zelda for NES or stuff like Castlevania or Contra for SNES).
That's actually what I was thinking of - I'm pretty sure I paid $70+ for Ultima V in the late 80s. For the Apple II.
Actually, I went on a nostalgia trip yesterday and read some old games reviews (in the late 80s/early 90s there was a games review magazine in Germany, ASM, that had quite a cult following - a number of their reviews are online). The reviews also featured the recommended retail price for the product (in Deutsche Mark, of course). A few choice examples:
http://www.kultboy.com/index.php?site=testb/testb
Civilization: DM120/€60
Secret of Monkey Island: DM100/€50
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis: DM120/€60
It Came From the Desert: DM100/€50
Ultima VI: DM130/€65
Wing Commander: DM120/€60
Sim Earth: DM140/€70
Starflight: DM85/€42.50
In general, a lot of PC games, ca, 1992 were at DM120, games for Commodore Amiga at DM80-DM100, and C64 around DM80.
They keep releasing TOR music via Facebook, a lot of it Cantina music - some of which is rather . . . odd.
Kayfoundo Naweea (http://cdn-www.swtor.com/sites/all/files/en/misc/music/20111211_kn77/TOR_11_kayfoundo_naweea.mp3) (Ukrainian folk song?)
Do the holos show up on the bill? (http://cdn-www.swtor.com/sites/all/files/en/misc/music/20111210_hsu8/TOR_10_do_the_holos_show_up_on_the_bill.mp3) (Star Wars porn music?)
Apparently the made-up style of music the Max Rebo band performs used to be called 'jizz'. Then someone told George Lucas what jizz means in popular slang, so they dropped the name. :)
Quote from: Caliga on December 11, 2011, 01:04:48 PM
Apparently the made-up style of music the Max Rebo band performs used to be called 'jizz'. Then someone told George Lucas what jizz means in popular slang, so they dropped the name. :)
Not only Max Rebo. Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes (cantina band from Ep. 4) were also referred to as jizz band. Not to mention that Labria/Kardue'sai'Malloc (the Devaronian in the cantina) was a major jizz fan.
For those in the beta, is it worth paying more to get the mount from the getgo?
From what I've seen in the newbie areas: likely not. Most places have "taxi stands" that let you shuttle between different parts of the map for a reasonable price. No idea if that holds true past level 11, though. :P
Ok people, so what about Juyo (PvE, EST server), Imperial faction?
Not for me, my guild got it's designated server today. :)
Quote from: Caliga on December 12, 2011, 09:24:16 PM
Ok people, so what about Juyo (PvE, EST server), Imperial faction?
You know, as much as some of my fondest MMO memories are from hanging with Languishites, it just isn't going to happen this game. Too few people, with too many competing interests.
I will be rolling on Helm of Graush, which is PvP, PST, and will role Republic.
I'll be on whatever English speaking European RP server there is.
Quote from: Barrister on December 13, 2011, 12:39:35 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 12, 2011, 09:24:16 PM
Ok people, so what about Juyo (PvE, EST server), Imperial faction?
You know, as much as some of my fondest MMO memories are from hanging with Languishites, it just isn't going to happen this game. Too few people, with too many competing interests.
I will be rolling on Helm of Graush, which is PvP, PST, and will role Republic.
Consideriing you'll quit right after hitting 50, that's fine :P
Quote from: katmai on December 12, 2011, 11:04:14 PM
Not for me, my guild got it's designated server today. :)
Which is...?
so, do I have the chance to: gain access today?
Quote from: Tamas on December 13, 2011, 06:45:23 AM
so, do I have the chance to: gain access today?
I'm trying to set up my account now, at 7:30 EST, and the server is crashing.
I have my go, will have to check when I get home (5ish).
Quote from: Tamas on December 13, 2011, 06:45:23 AM
so, do I have the chance to: gain access today?
They seem to be going in order of when you entered your pre-order code. People who did it the very first day you could (some time in July) seem to be getting access.
I entered mine Sept 21. I'm hoping for tonight. :)
Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
I recall one of the Ultimas (6? 7?) was actually DM120.00 when it came out, or ca. 60 €. It was a common price for imported, niche or some high end games of the time. Actually, it was pretty common for console games, too (e.g. Legend of Zelda for NES or stuff like Castlevania or Contra for SNES).
I was actually going to mention this. I remember paying over 60 dollars for Ultima 6 back in 1990 and I am not sure what that is in 2011 dollars but I bet well over 100.
Quote from: katmai on December 13, 2011, 02:18:25 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 13, 2011, 12:39:35 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 12, 2011, 09:24:16 PM
Ok people, so what about Juyo (PvE, EST server), Imperial faction?
You know, as much as some of my fondest MMO memories are from hanging with Languishites, it just isn't going to happen this game. Too few people, with too many competing interests.
I will be rolling on Helm of Graush, which is PvP, PST, and will role Republic.
Consideriing you'll quit right after hitting 50, that's fine :P
Entirely possible. :)
But really - the deal-breaker for me is roling Republic. I tried both, and didn't enjoy the Empire story-lines. This isn't WoW where the Horde is just 'misunderstood'. The Empire is evil and proud of it. I'd rather be the hero than the villain.
Quote from: Barrister on December 13, 2011, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: Tamas on December 13, 2011, 06:45:23 AM
so, do I have the chance to: gain access today?
They seem to be going in order of when you entered your pre-order code. People who did it the very first day you could (some time in July) seem to be getting access.
I entered mine Sept 21. I'm hoping for tonight. :)
well, I entered it about 3 days ago :P
Quote from: Tamas on December 13, 2011, 10:13:01 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 13, 2011, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: Tamas on December 13, 2011, 06:45:23 AM
so, do I have the chance to: gain access today?
They seem to be going in order of when you entered your pre-order code. People who did it the very first day you could (some time in July) seem to be getting access.
I entered mine Sept 21. I'm hoping for tonight. :)
well, I entered it about 3 days ago :P
I know.
I was showing off. :showoff:
I decided to roll with the SWTOR division of my World of Tanks clan. We initially got placed on Kinrath Spinder, which is the unofficial Brazillian server. Not wanting any part of that, we decided on Jung Ma, an RP-PVP server.
They still haven't finished placing the July pre-orders yet. I'm expecting to get on 3-4 hours early since I pre-ordered in December.
Btw, I'm on Trask Ulgo, English RP-PVE.
I'm a female Sith Warrior, Vultris. I guess it fits the chees villain names from the movies. :P
Syt - when did you pre-order the game?
Also - why did you go English, ratehr than German (not that your English isn't perfect)?
Quote from: Syt on December 13, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
I pre-ordered day one.
Like I said before - there was no chance of you not playing this game. :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on December 13, 2011, 05:00:19 PM
Quote from: Syt on December 13, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
I pre-ordered day one.
Like I said before - there was no chance of you not playing this game. :contract:
Hey, I cancelled my pre-order not once, but twice. :P
This is my char, btw. I still need to look up how they retconned the Sith purebloods into the game, though.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg823.imageshack.us%2Fimg823%2F4677%2Fscreenshot2011121405570.jpg&hash=217660adf1cc8f8ec6c88ddeff7ad2153278738f)
EDIT: Wookiepedia to the rescue, as usual.
QuoteCold War
Since the Treaty, the Emperor's plans have left the galaxy in state of fear and uncertainty as to each side's boundaries,[86] allowing the Emperor to defer control of the Empire to his Dark Council while he pursues his own secret goals.[56] The Emperor's absence left a massive power vacuum, and in its wake the most powerful and cunning Imperial Leaders attempted to assume authority over the Empire.[56] With the Dark Council consolidating the Empire's new dominion, altering the Empire's domain and structure, they tasked the Imperial military with more practical matters, while the Sith Lords' planned for the Empire's future.
In this sense, Lords focused on recruiting and training new acolytes, to increase the Empire's power and prepare for their final confrontation with the Jedi.[75] Due to the dwindling of the Sith ranks after decades of war, the Sith academy's entry requirements were relaxed,[87] in effect, those born Force-sensitive were allowed to train to become Sith.[88] Those in the slave caste, not of proper Sith bloodlines were even admitted if born with Force-sensitivity.[87] This resulted in the training of Sith Inquisitors during this now highly stratified Empire,[89] observed by their Sith Pureblood overseers that forever loathed to work with alien species like Humans.[76]
Sith Purebloods were born into positions of privilege within the Empire during this time, and were known to have been prepared from childhood to train at the Sith academy on Korriban.[89] In this way, Purebloods became members of the class known as Sith Warriors during this era. The Pureblood Warriors used their rage of their fallen ancestors to their advantage, dominating and intimidating those on their battlefield with their presence.[30]
I've also done the Black Talon Flashpoint with two guys this morning. Was pretty fun, I died only once. :lol:
We were a Juggernaut (me), a Sorceror and an Assassin. Of the 6 bigger drops we had, fortunately for me 3 were gear for my class. I'm now: "Vultris the Merciless".
My CE has been shipped, so I should have it till the end of the week. :)
Well I received my email about early access. :)
Quote from: Barrister on December 14, 2011, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 14, 2011, 12:31:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 14, 2011, 11:29:12 AM
Well I received my email about early access. :)
:mad:
Your tears are delicious. :licklips:
lol I just checked that I preordered and entered my code on the 10th December, a whooping 4 days ago. So I'll probably gain entry Monday morning. :P
I'm going to order the game in January, by then all the elites will have hit the level cap and I can enjoy the starting areas without their knobbery :P
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on December 15, 2011, 04:17:31 AM
I'm going to order the game in January, by then all the elites will have hit the level cap and I can enjoy the starting areas without their knobbery :P
That was actually nice about the early access on Tuesday - the n00b zone was busy but not overcrowded. It was easy to find someone for group quests, but you didn't have to stand in line for some of the quest mobs (as happened during the Thanksgiving beta weekend).
Obviously, my perception is a very small snippet from all the servers. :P
My package just arrived, but I know better than to unpack it at the office. If someone asks it's expansions for the boardgame
Last Night On Earth. :blush:
Yes, staggered access makes sense in some ways.
I really hate it when you have to form an orderly queue to combat some menace...............very immersion destroying.
Yeah the noob zones had the right amount of people in them - however they're all instanced. At times I would glance over to the corner of the screen and notice there were over 100 instances of the noob zone going on at the same time.
Quote from: Barrister on December 15, 2011, 09:50:46 AM
Yeah the noob zones had the right amount of people in them - however they're all instanced. At times I would glance over to the corner of the screen and notice there were over 100 instances of the noob zone going on at the same time.
I thought that's people online in that area?
I thought instances were great at first, particularly for dungeons, but sometimes I do miss the EQ days where everybody shared the zone. It did make dark dungeons a bit surreal as it more resembled walking through a mob killing facility than a temple of evil. But that was sorta charming in retrospect.
Quote from: Valmy on December 15, 2011, 11:15:46 AM
I thought instances were great at first, particularly for dungeons, but sometimes I do miss the EQ days where everybody shared the zone. It did make dark dungeons a bit surreal as it more resembled walking through a mob killing facility than a temple of evil. But that was sorta charming in retrospect.
That's just nostalgia talking because in fact it really sucked.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 15, 2011, 11:37:05 AM
That's just nostalgia talking because in fact it really sucked.
I don't know. That is practically the only thing about EQ, the community aspect of seeing everybody else out there and really getting to know them, that didn't really suck.
Dunno if we settled this, but this does:
http://www.swtor.com/preorder/faq
At the time of pre-order purchase: $5/€5/£5 (for Standard Edition or Digital Deluxe Edition) or $20/€20/£15 (for Collector's Edition) at the time of pre-order, for which you will receive the Pre-Order Code that entitles you to the pre-order offers, including Early Game Access and an exclusive pre-order in-game Color Stone.
At the time the full purchase of your official Game is fulfilled: The price for the edition of Star Wars: The Old Republic you had pre-ordered, minus the $5/€5/£5 or $20/€20/£15 already charged at the time of pre-order.
OK so it's a fee IN ADDITION to the game price.
*stab*
The price for the edition of Star Wars: The Old Republic you had pre-ordered, minus the $5/€5/£5 or $20/€20/£15 already charged at the time of pre-order.
Damn corporate fags ripping off their customers. Fuck them.
So the only NAm types playing this game are Jonas, Cal and katmai?
Dammit! Got my email for early access this morning.
Can't use for two more days.
So apparently no more early access keys are being given out for people who pre-order from GameStop and shit. Wtf.
Quote from: JonasSalk on December 15, 2011, 02:28:05 PM
So apparently no more early access keys are being given out for people who pre-order from GameStop and shit. Wtf.
I don't have a problem with that. It's 5 days before release.
So I rolled my toon on Helmet of Graush PVP server - Altaira, human female trooper. What can I say - I like chicks with big guns. :cool: Only up to level 6 or so.
I'm conflicted what to do tonight - there's a Jets game on, but I also want to play this some more... :unsure:
Tamas - sounds like they've pretty much invited everyone into the early game access at this point.
Also, they announced a 48 hour grace period to enter your retail key.
Quote from: Barrister on December 15, 2011, 01:38:18 PM
So the only NAm types playing this game are Jonas, Cal and katmai?
Nope, Stonewall, Strix and lndhnd are all playing i think.
Well went and bought new rig as mine was 5 yrs old, hope what i got is future proofed for a while
Meh, whatever. I work the next three days and I want to finish up a book, so I suppose I can wait until the 20th.
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 15, 2011, 01:38:18 PM
So the only NAm types playing this game are Jonas, Cal and katmai?
Nope, Stonewall, Strix and lndhnd are all playing i think.
Lndhnd and I will be playing. Just got me early access this evening, but have a 40 minute wait in queue for the server I wanted to play on. We have some RL friends who will be playing as well. Lndhnd is trying to talk Lemonjello into it as well.
Bah. Helm of Garrosh has a 45 min + queue.
I wonder if the queues are somewhat artificial, to encourage re-rolling to split up the populations.
Ive' registered my pre-order key and have not gotten an email invite.
When I logged into Trask Ulgo yesterday I got in immediately, though when I logged out four hours later and checked the server status on SWTOR.com it said "Full".
Barrister, we were both right, though - the number on top left is total players, but the maps are still instanced as I noticed when I wanted to group with a guy from the Wargamer forums - I had to switch instances for that.
Was fun grouping, though. He's a bounty hunter (dps), and has a healing companion. My juggernaut is a tank (though I still lack any decent aggro builders ... which is ok, because I don't have much survivability when drawing several elite mobs at level 13 :P ), and my companion also dps. It's a bit like a mini group, though obviously player characters instead of companions would be much more effective.
My review of the collector's edition: horribly overpriced, but what's life without indulgences? :P
The Darth Malgus statue is really nice (by Gentle Giant) and is definitely not the overhyped cheap "statue" crap advertised with some games. The "Diary of Master Gnost-Duraal" is basically a print version of the major timeline points from the web page. It comes with two few fold out maps (Jedi Temple and a shield generator) and an excerpt of the Treaty of Coruscant. The book also contains artworks. 100+ pages, but nothing too fancy.
There's the soundtrack CD which I haven't checked out yet - though I will rip it sooner rather than later, I guess. I love the TOR soundtrack - it's a "best of" from the movies, KotOR1+2, plus new material (and quite a few cantina songs that may or may not be your cup of tea).
Then there's the security token (like you have for some online banking apps), though I'm not sure I'm going to use that one.
The CE items are a twi'lek holodancer (fluff), a small mouse droid pet (fluff), a flare gun (fluff), the VIP bracelet for the special place at the fleet (not checked yet), the STAP vehicle (need to be level 25 to use) and the black general pre-order crystal (Endurance +4 mod for weapons).
Quote from: Berkut on December 15, 2011, 11:05:00 PM
Ive' registered my pre-order key and have not gotten an email invite.
You and me, Berk. :(
Quote from: The Brain on December 16, 2011, 02:38:16 AM
Quote from: Berkut on December 15, 2011, 11:05:00 PM
Ive' registered my pre-order key and have not gotten an email invite.
You and me, Berk. :(
same here :( But I really SHOULD get in this afternoon, a couple of Hungarians who registered in the first days of this month got in last night.
I started yesterday also...currently on Kaas City server, Republic trooper
Quote from: Arvoreen on December 16, 2011, 08:38:06 AM
I started yesterday also...currently on Kaas City server, Republic trooper
I'm liking the trooper storyline. Something about being a lowly grunt, just trying to serve the Republic as you know best, appeals to me. :)
Quote from: Syt on December 13, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
My companion reminds me a lot of Mission Vaio from KotOR1.
And checking IMDB they're the same voice actress (she also does Padmé Amidala on Clone Wars).
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn2-b.examiner.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fimage_full_width_scaled%2Fhash%2Fe8%2Fe2%2Fe8e27850964af7fe187277036e0e42d0.jpg&hash=09b5970e25ad96ddcd904e69c3b5738f983d4bd4)
How exactly do you get yourself typecast for "spunky twi'lek girl in Star Wars games"?
Man you have to be hot even to be a voice actress these days.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2011, 09:58:28 AM
Man you have to be hot even to be a voice actress these days.
We're turning into Japan :(
Quote from: katmai on December 03, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 03, 2011, 03:29:19 PM
If Kat can get me in to their guild, I would play on a PvE server.
Can anyone log in now? The play button on the launcher is not active for me right now for some reason.
I can get you in no problem.
Nope only people who can play atm were those invited for last beta weekend.
The guild has been all setup and just waiting to get email about which east coast server we will be on, will let you know as soon as i do.
Liar!
Did Katmai say what server they were on?
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2011, 02:05:01 PM
Did Katmai say what server they were on?
Only through PM's.
We are on Kaas City, on Sith/Imperial side.
Kat I finally got my early access code so I expect to roll a toon tonight. My bro is already on there and I think I pmed you his name so throw an invite his way plz :)
Quote from: Caliga on December 16, 2011, 02:14:42 PM
Kat I finally got my early access code so I expect to roll a toon tonight. My bro is already on there and I think I pmed you his name so throw an invite his way plz :)
I'm not on yet, i got invite yesterday morning, but I'm still on location wrapping up filming of first season of this show.
I get back tomorrow and then have to dl'd the game client, so hope to be on tomorrow night or sun morning at latest.
But look for Neesha or Peno from guild and tell them you know Hartza from WoW if want to get in guild before I log on.
There's an EU PVP server called "Legions of Lettow". :lol:
Quote from: Syt on December 16, 2011, 02:35:30 PM
There's an EU PVP server called "Legions of Lettow". :lol:
It will immediately secede from the EU.
Queues. <_<
Sith Inquisitor. :menace:
I have to say I liked the Republic (Coruscant) homeworld a lot better than the Sith one (Dromund Kaas). I mean, seriously, for an Empire built on slave labour they have appallingly bad infrastructure. Not even an autobahn between the main spaceport and the capital, but only a mud path, overrun by predatory animals. Efficient, the Sith are not. Instead they build more giant statues.
And the weather is depressing.
My Juggernaut has finally gotten some tanking skills, so I can at last hold some aggro. I hope I get to do Hammer Station today. I think I may need to do flashpoints a bit more often; my gear progression is horribly slow. I've finally replaced my main armor that I've had since level 9 or so (I'm now 15) with something more than twice as good . . . from the auction hall.
OK, so I have Divhur a Sith Warrior on Kaas City and Jehszi a Jedi Consular on Goresh or whatever that server Beebs mentioned is called. Helm of Guarosh?
I now have my own ship. And I love the protocol droid assigned to it, grovelling as it is. "I've cleaned the fuel injectors to the hyperdrive. You will find that it enhances performance by .000008%!" :lol:
Quote from: Berkut on December 17, 2011, 11:54:54 AM
OK, so I have Divhur a Sith Warrior on Kaas City and Jehszi a Jedi Consular on Goresh or whatever that server Beebs mentioned is called. Helm of Guarosh?
Thats the one. Helm of Graush.
I'll be on tonight again I'm sure. I played a bit this morning. The game is good about getting you right into the action, but there's a big lull when you hit the capital, and you have to make all these decisions about advanced class, skill trees, and crafting. Took over an hour to get everything sorted out.
I ran Esseles last night with one other person and our companions. Wasn't all that difficult to manage. And it was fun.
Berk, could you post a list of servers people will be/are playing on in the first post so everybody knows?
You know, I normally like soloing in MMOs. Group quests would sit unfinished in my quest log until I've overshot them, levelwise, and there's a good chance I just drop them later on.
So far I've done all group quests in TOR on Korriban and Dromund Kaas, and have a great time doing them, even though with PUGs (remains to be seen if it remains fun when the floodgates open on the 20th).
We tried taking down Hammer Station yesterday, but we kept wiping on the final boss. Quite possibly a group cmposition problem. I was tanking, an Operative was healing (he was only level 16), an assassin for DPS and - and this was probably the problem - another tank. The final boss should be easy enough (stay away from the red circles and his blaster cone of death, kill his low level adds quickly), but we couldn't kill things fast enough.
Quote from: Syt on December 17, 2011, 11:53:21 PM
You know, I normally like soloing in MMOs. Group quests would sit unfinished in my quest log until I've overshot them, levelwise, and there's a good chance I just drop them later on.
So far I've done all group quests in TOR on Korriban and Dromund Kaas, and have a great time doing them, even though with PUGs (remains to be seen if it remains fun when the floodgates open on the 20th).
We tried taking down Hammer Station yesterday, but we kept wiping on the final boss. Quite possibly a group cmposition problem. I was tanking, an Operative was healing (he was only level 16), an assassin for DPS and - and this was probably the problem - another tank. The final boss should be easy enough (stay away from the red circles and his blaster cone of death, kill his low level adds quickly), but we couldn't kill things fast enough.
You know, I've usually had good experiences with PUGs in MMOs, although usually there're at least one or two players from military backgrounds who help keep everything together. Makes one appreciate why command/leadership skills usually offer a boost in MMOs. :D
Got it. downloading now and got my email about an hour after purchase. I foresee much like my WoW, Heros, and STO experience i'll get bored in a month or so. but a few bucks for a month of time wasting is agood exchange, i think.
The fact that there are queues for their servers already does not bode well. Oops.
Quote from: Faeelin on December 18, 2011, 01:08:30 AM
The fact that there are queues for their servers already does not bode well. Oops.
That's actually a surprisingly easy fix. That alone tells me there's probably going to be enough money to get a new server or two in pretty short order.
Quote from: Faeelin on December 18, 2011, 01:08:30 AM
The fact that there are queues for their servers already does not bode well. Oops.
Not necessarily.
Indeed, it is perhaps a positive omen, not the reverse.
On server queues:
http://www.swtor.com/blog/regarding-server-queues
QuoteWe know there have been questions about the queues on the servers, so we wanted to take a moment to give you some insight.
In order to ensure that the service would be smooth and stable, we staged how we brought people into the Early Game Access program, adding people in waves. As you know, there are a lot of folks who want to play the game right now and we want to make sure they have lots of people to play with. Balancing this with figuring out when to bring new servers online to help alleviate the size of the queues is part art and part science. On one hand, you do not want people to wait too long – on the other hand, you want to make sure that people have a dynamic, engaging community to play with for long after launch. Either way, we have one clear objective – to make sure folks have fun.
While we can't promise that there won't ever be queues, we can promise you that we are taking this matter seriously and constantly reviewing them to make sure that they are manageable and reasonable.
Jeff Hickman, Executive Producer – Live Services
I think they're going a "best of both worlds" approach. Instanced zones to avoid overcrowding, while creating servers that have a distinct user base (instead of lumping them all together).
I'm struggling a bit to find a guild. The ones I find interesting seem to be hardcore RP who focus on RPing only, and don't plan to focus much on game story progression. Other seem too casual.
I looked up where the server name "Trask Ulgo" comes from, btw. It's the tutorial character at the start of KotOR. :lol:
Syt, I am on the English RP server as well, but on the Republic side, with a Scoundrel. Ribers or something like that his name is.
I hate queues. Fun game though.
But I am second-guessing that I should have rolled an Imperial Agent/Assasin, as they appear to be basically the same class as the Scoundrel, and I like snipery things.
The Scoundrel appears to be great for soloing though. (not that it hard to solo anyways). You do damage, you can disable stuff, and you can heal, while your companion can tank. Nice.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on December 18, 2011, 12:12:23 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 17, 2011, 11:53:21 PM
You know, I normally like soloing in MMOs. Group quests would sit unfinished in my quest log until I've overshot them, levelwise, and there's a good chance I just drop them later on.
So far I've done all group quests in TOR on Korriban and Dromund Kaas, and have a great time doing them, even though with PUGs (remains to be seen if it remains fun when the floodgates open on the 20th).
We tried taking down Hammer Station yesterday, but we kept wiping on the final boss. Quite possibly a group cmposition problem. I was tanking, an Operative was healing (he was only level 16), an assassin for DPS and - and this was probably the problem - another tank. The final boss should be easy enough (stay away from the red circles and his blaster cone of death, kill his low level adds quickly), but we couldn't kill things fast enough.
You know, I've usually had good experiences with PUGs in MMOs, although usually there're at least one or two players from military backgrounds who help keep everything together. Makes one appreciate why command/leadership skills usually offer a boost in MMOs. :D
Did they transfer from rangers to armor?
Oh, forgot to mention... I am Apprentice Kaligah, Sith Sorcerer, on Kaas City. :menace:
Hey Cal I got on last night. Look for Josga sith inquisitor today if need guild invite still.
Anyone know of a site that has some or all of the holocron locations?
i found one holocron as a bounty hunter... don't remember where lol.
I'm Gosel ("dog the" in catalan :P ) bounty hunter on Kaas City. don't know how to add anyone, but if someone adds me as a friend i'll accept :D
Apparently you cannot add a friend who is not online. Lame.
My Sith juggernaut is up to 13 I think. Tanking seems impossible still though.
Quote from: Berkut on December 18, 2011, 12:51:57 PM
Apparently you cannot add a friend who is not online. Lame.
My Sith juggernaut is up to 13 I think. Tanking seems impossible still though.
Around Level 15 you get a stance that creates more threat and increases defence, and also lets you "guard" another character (including your companion) - that means you take damage directed at them, and reduce their threat generation. Shortly after you get the "taunt" command.
But yeah, till then it's hard. :P
Ran a few group quests today, including Hammer Station (was a breeze this time - Sorceror as healer, assassin and sniper as dps). I also forayed into space. It's nothing too spectacular - think old Rebel Assault rail shooters where your ship is following the prescribed path and you shoot thingies. Fun little diversion, though.
Quote from: Berkut on December 18, 2011, 12:51:57 PM
Apparently you cannot add a friend who is not online. Lame.
My Sith juggernaut is up to 13 I think. Tanking seems impossible still though.
:huh: Pretty sure I added you as a friend, and you weren't online.
Did you get the spelling right?
Quote from: Barrister on December 18, 2011, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 18, 2011, 12:51:57 PM
Apparently you cannot add a friend who is not online. Lame.
My Sith juggernaut is up to 13 I think. Tanking seems impossible still though.
:huh: Pretty sure I added you as a friend, and you weren't online.
Did you get the spelling right?
Pretty sure you can't. A guy from Wargamer tried to add me when I was offline and got "User doesn't exist", and I got the same when I tried while he wasn't online.
No, you can add people when they're offline... I friended Berkut last night and he wasn't online. I think there's some bugginess with friending; the other night I tried to friend my brother and couldn't, and he was online. Later I was able to friend him with no problem, and I don't think he was online at that point.
Queues are pretty bad. Can only imagine when it goes live-live
I friended Cal, and sent him a bunch of messages, but he just ignored me. :(
Aren't people always complaining that you ignore in-game text? :hmm:
Quote from: Habbaku on December 18, 2011, 11:57:20 PM
Aren't people always complaining that you ignore in-game text? :hmm:
I seem to recall such remarks... :hmm:
This is true, but their complaints were largely unfounded.
I'm having a blast as a light side sith sorcerer.
"You destroyed our new turrets! Why?"
"I AM A SITH. YOU DARE QUESTION?"
Be nice if someone commented on it, though.
"Light Side Sith" is really more lawful evil than light side, with a dash of "even evil has standards."
What has me worried a bit about the game is the future addition of new content. They have to make it full voice over, otherwise it'll stick out like a sore thumb. And that, in turn, will drive up the production time/cost - having a few wizkids designing new missions won't be enough.
Did my first flashpoint, the Black Talon one. Wow.
There was 3 of us, and one of the guys did it a couple of times already. Apparently, there are differents sub-missions and endings.
*SPOILER ALERT*
Like, we volunteered to clear out the boarding attempt in Engineering, and the guy was surprised as he was never sent there before. Plus, we, in great agreement decided to kill the captain when we took over the ship, and when we got back from the Republic vessel, all the bridge crew was massacred, allegedly because in-fighting broke out. Again, according to this guy, this was the first time he saw the captain off-ed and the ending is different when he stays alive.
Very cool, from an MMO at least.
I did BT once, and it was as you described. Possibly triggered due to dialogue options?
Hammer Station is a lot more straightforward (go there and slaughter everything), with less interaction, unfortunately, with one Dark Side/Light Side decision. BT is cooler from a story perspective.
Quote from: Berkut on December 18, 2011, 10:32:44 PM
I friended Cal, and sent him a bunch of messages, but he just ignored me. :(
:huh: Last night? I didn't see any messages from you..... :hmm:
In As Ixchel, but he won't be my main. I was planning on playing a cartoonishly evil inquisitor but that girl at the start made my heart grow three times it's size
My planned neutral bounty hunter is slowly inching towards the light side. I feel bad sending women and children to their deaths.
I play a butt ugly Jedi Sage who's lighter than helium.
There should really be a way to switch sides if you go far enough away from your sides alignment.
Quote from: besuchov on December 19, 2011, 02:18:24 PM
There should really be a way to switch sides if you go far enough away from your sides alignment.
While this sounds do-able, wouldn't that lead to there being Sith Inquisitors on the Republic side? Or other goofy things.
They only way i can see it workin (at least for force users) is to re-role as their counterparts.
If any of you land on Jung Ma, I have the following Empire toons there.
Brutalis - Sith Marauder (13)
Zeratuul - Sith Juggernaut (17)
Sizzle - Sith Sorcerer (15)
Vanya - Sith Assassin (1)
Fo'Shizzle - Powertech Bounty Hunter (10)
Huzzah - Mercenary Bounty Hunter (6)
Ja'wohl - Sniper Imperial Agent (3)
Klink - Operative Imperial Agent (1)
Could you please edit the op so I know who to talk to?
I could, if I had any more idea than you do who everyone is.
So last night once the servers went live there was immediately enormous queues on Graush.
There were also queues on Kaas City.
So I rolled on some random PvE server. Started up an Imperial Agent. Only played for 30 minutes, but that storyline does look to be a hoot! However, the cover mechanic looks to be a PITA.
You know, the problem they are having now is that they've gone and done this pre-order availability thing, so tons of people came into a subset of their planned launch day servers.
So now they have a bunch of servers that are over-loaded, and a bunch of servers that are barely loaded. I see transfers in the future...
Quote from: Berkut on December 20, 2011, 10:31:54 AM
You know, the problem they are having now is that they've gone and done this pre-order availability thing, so tons of people came into a subset of their planned launch day servers.
So now they have a bunch of servers that are over-loaded, and a bunch of servers that are barely loaded. I see transfers in the future...
That does seem to be their problem. They accounted for all the guild pre-launch characters, but probably didn't account for people like us (except for Katmai) - people who didn't do a pre-launch guild, but who followed along people who did.
Installing now....
Picked up my copy over lunch.
I have to say that early access makes getting the game in your hands a lot less exciting then it otherwise would be.
The CE is Fricking big
I am annoyed by the quest where you uncover the Sith running around killing people for sport. On my sniper, this was easy, happy to go tag the Sith accolites and mess up the hunt.
But on my Sith, who I am playing as thoroughly evil, yet rather lawful, neither choice makes sense.
On the one hand, killing the informer is a bad choice, since he has done nothing wrong, so that would be unjust.
On the other hand, screwing up the game is not a reasonable response either. If the Sith are doing something legal, they should be left alone, and if illegal, they should be stopped via legal channels.
Playing as a female agent, I actually seduced and (presumably) slept with someone in order to prevent them from blowing my cover. :o
And I think I got lightside points for doing it. :o :o
Berk - yeah, sometimes the options can be rather binary. In a perfect world there should be more than just two choices...
Quote from: Barrister on December 20, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
So last night once the servers went live there was immediately enormous queues on Graush.
There were also queues on Kaas City.
So I rolled on some random PvE server. Started up an Imperial Agent. Only played for 30 minutes, but that storyline does look to be a hoot! However, the cover mechanic looks to be a PITA.
I also rolled an Imperial Agent recently, just finished the initial quest line and selected Sniper as my specialization.
Gotta say I LOVE the DPS (pre-sniper) altough I played a Scounderl and the healer Inquisitor before so I don't exactly have the perfect comparisons.
But together with your companion, you can really melt enemy HPs away. Neat.
Quote from: Barrister on December 20, 2011, 02:57:20 PM
Playing as a female agent, I actually seduced and (presumably) slept with someone in order to prevent them from blowing my cover. :o
Yep, that was funny. Especially poor Jehszis look of resignation afterwards...
She is fun to play, kind of a vaguely chaotic good character in the evil empire, just trying to get along...
By the way, we should consider using spoiler tags. I do figure on running all 8 classes up to 10 at some point, so I wouldn't want to have too many surprises blown...
yes you should assholes...<_<
Started at #250 in queue...whee
Quote from: katmai on December 20, 2011, 03:30:25 PM
Started at #250 in queue...whee
Pfft. I've rarely seen under 300 on Graush in the evenings. Probably going to be 600+ tonight.
Can anypne invite ixchel tonight? Do we actually have a guild?
Quote from: Berkut on December 18, 2011, 10:32:44 PM
I friended Cal, and sent him a bunch of messages, but he just ignored me. :(
I was trying to msg HVC earlier, but he is "ignoring" me too. My conclusion is that social code in the game is very buggy right now.
Surrendered faster than Maréchal Bazaine at the Siege of Metz. Downloading.
Gonna make a hard-ass full-Dark Side Sith Inquisitor, to hunt down and grief all those little "grey jedi are the coolz" twats.
Quote from: Barrister on December 20, 2011, 03:37:04 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 20, 2011, 03:30:25 PM
Started at #250 in queue...whee
Pfft. I've rarely seen under 300 on Graush in the evenings. Probably going to be 600+ tonight.
7:30 MST, 9:30 EST, and 999 in the queue. :lol:
Good thing I don't plan on playing for 90 minutes or so. But even with an estimated wait time of 1h 5 min, I'm thinking it'll be more like 2 hours...
Quote from: Drakken on December 20, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
Surrendered faster than Maréchal Bazaine at the Siege of Metz. Downloading.
Gonna make a hard-ass full-Dark Side Sith Inquisitor, to hunt down and grief all those little "grey jedi are the coolz" twits.
IMO, all the kool kidz are rolling sith. Definitely outnumber the jedi, probably by about 1.2:1.
Quote from: Caliga on December 20, 2011, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 18, 2011, 10:32:44 PM
I friended Cal, and sent him a bunch of messages, but he just ignored me. :(
I was trying to msg HVC earlier, but he is "ignoring" me too. My conclusion is that social code in the game is very buggy right now.
i didnt see, or didn't notice at least.
Beebs, roll something Imperial on Kaas. Join us!
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"I'll never join you!"
What Cal said.
The Agent storyline was interesting, but I just much prefer being alliance. Plus they are now the underdog side. :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on December 20, 2011, 10:24:22 PM
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"I'll never join you!"
Tripod will never join you!
Quote from: Barrister on December 20, 2011, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: Drakken on December 20, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
Surrendered faster than Maréchal Bazaine at the Siege of Metz. Downloading.
Gonna make a hard-ass full-Dark Side Sith Inquisitor, to hunt down and grief all those little "grey jedi are the coolz" twits.
IMO, all the kool kidz are rolling sith. Definitely outnumber the jedi, probably by about 1.2:1.
Making up numbers are ya?
Quote from: katmai on December 20, 2011, 10:44:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 20, 2011, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: Drakken on December 20, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
Surrendered faster than Maréchal Bazaine at the Siege of Metz. Downloading.
Gonna make a hard-ass full-Dark Side Sith Inquisitor, to hunt down and grief all those little "grey jedi are the coolz" twits.
IMO, all the kool kidz are rolling sith. Definitely outnumber the jedi, probably by about 1.2:1.
Making up numbers are ya?
I've read that estimate at a few places.
I think I will wait for them to reduce the wait times before I get this but it definitely sounds like this is a game worth trying. I thought for sure I would play the Sith, partly because I thought most people would be playing Jedi. But now I might have to rethink that as well.
That said it is easy to fight the urge to play while on vacation...
I'll wait until it doesn't cost more than filling up my gas tank to purchase.
Quote from: Scipio on December 21, 2011, 08:10:10 AM
I'll wait until it doesn't cost more than filling up my gas tank to purchase.
It already costs me more to fill me tank thank SWTOR cost me. :(
Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2011, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Scipio on December 21, 2011, 08:10:10 AM
I'll wait until it doesn't cost more than filling up my gas tank to purchase.
It already costs me more to fill me tank thank SWTOR cost me. :(
That's because you have a 150 liters tank.
i'm having trouble keepign my bounty hunter neutral. the evil options are just needlessly evil with no real point. I'm a BBer :( :P
Also, i spend too much time crafting.
Quote from: HVC on December 21, 2011, 09:46:04 AM
i'm having trouble keepign my bounty hunter neutral. the evil options are just needlessly evil with no real point. I'm a BBer :( :P
Also, i spend too much time crafting.
:hug:
The Republic dark side options are much more interesting for the most part. Instead of being evil for evil's sake, they usually involve cutting corners / taking shortcuts for "the greater good" (or decisions for personal gain).
Can someone give an explanation of how light side and dark side choices affect game play. eg what would happen if I played a Sith that had a light side type alignment?
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 07:37:39 AM
I thought for sure I would play the Sith, partly because I thought most people would be playing Jedi.
You clearly are unfamiliar with the MMORPG demographic.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 09:55:26 AM
Can someone give an explanation of how light side and dark side choices affect game play. eg what would happen if I played a Sith that had a light side type alignment?
As far as i can tell it effects 3 things. the colour crystal you can use, how your companionsview you (affection) and some items you can buy in the space station (light side and dark side vendors). probably more, but that's all i noticed.
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 07:37:39 AM
I thought for sure I would play the Sith, partly because I thought most people would be playing Jedi.
You clearly are unfamiliar with the MMORPG demographic.
When WoW came out most people went Alliance - which was great for those of us who went Horde because when pvp content was added horde didnt have long wait times to enter the pvp content. I thought the same thing would happen again.
Quote from: HVC on December 21, 2011, 09:59:30 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 09:55:26 AM
Can someone give an explanation of how light side and dark side choices affect game play. eg what would happen if I played a Sith that had a light side type alignment?
As far as i can tell it effects 3 things. the colour crystal you can use, how your companionsview you (affection) and some items you can buy in the space station (light side and dark side vendors). probably more, but that's all i noticed.
Will a Sith companion be adversey affected if the player has a light side alignment or does the companion develop the same way as their master?
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 09:55:26 AM
Can someone give an explanation of how light side and dark side choices affect game play. eg what would happen if I played a Sith that had a light side type alignment?
YOu can absolutely play a light side sith, or a dark side jedi. Your light side / dark side rating is completely independent of which faction you are.
There are two gameplay effects. The primary one is gear - certain gear requires certain levels of light side or dark side. There is gear you can purchase, but also gear you can find and craft that has such requirements. This, by the way, has the effect of being in the middle somewhat harmful, as you can't access either set of gear. Lightsaber colour crystals are an example of this - your jedi can only use a red crystal if you have a certain level of dark side points.
There is also a visual effect of 'dark side corruption' as you fall deeper and deeper, but I don't know much about it. It's also optional.
Companion affection is not tied directly to light side / dark side. Their affection is tied simply to the decisions you make in various conversations. Some companions will prefer options that are generally light side or dark side, but there's not an automatic connection.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 10:02:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 07:37:39 AM
I thought for sure I would play the Sith, partly because I thought most people would be playing Jedi.
You clearly are unfamiliar with the MMORPG demographic.
When WoW came out most people went Alliance - which was great for those of us who went Horde because when pvp content was added horde didnt have long wait times to enter the pvp content. I thought the same thing would happen again.
Two things:
-Everyone knows that is what happened with WoW, so they're compensating by going to what is perceived to be the horde equivalent right off the bat.
-The attraction of the Alliance in WoW wasn't so much about being 'good', as about being pretty. Nobody wanted to play a bunch of ugly monsters.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 10:04:32 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 21, 2011, 09:59:30 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 09:55:26 AM
Can someone give an explanation of how light side and dark side choices affect game play. eg what would happen if I played a Sith that had a light side type alignment?
As far as i can tell it effects 3 things. the colour crystal you can use, how your companionsview you (affection) and some items you can buy in the space station (light side and dark side vendors). probably more, but that's all i noticed.
Will a Sith companion be adversey affected if the player has a light side alignment or does the companion develop the same way as their master?
Depends on the companion. I know the first Sith Warrior companion is a twi'lek slave girl who prefers if you take more 'light' options, whereas the sith inquisitor first companion is some evil force monster who prefers if you take evry dark side options.
Companion affection isn't all that important though. You can get some kind of bonuses if your companion thinks highly of you (and of course there are the romance options at high affection), but even if your companion hates your guts they won't abandon you or stop working with you.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 10:02:43 AM
When WoW came out most people went Alliance - which was great for those of us who went Horde because when pvp content was added horde didnt have long wait times to enter the pvp content. I thought the same thing would happen again.
That was because of the Night Elves. They were like dark and cool and stuff. And the Horde races were ugly.
Dark Elves equivalents and the lack of cool factor for the Horde were killers. But generally in these games the bad guys dominate if they are glamorous enough.
Thanks for the info guys. If my old guild hadnt gone Sith it sounds like I would propably choose the Jedi side given what you guys have said.
Join us CC and together we will rule the Galaxy!!!1
:lol:
Queue, what queue? Most of the NA servers were light to me.
Quote from: Drakken on December 21, 2011, 10:51:51 AM
Queue, what queue? Most of the NA servers were light to me.
wait until after 4:30 and you'll see which were the prelaunch servers :P
Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2011, 10:11:02 AMDepends on the companion. I know the first Sith Warrior companion is a twi'lek slave girl who prefers if you take more 'light' options
Not only. She also likes when I ask people, "What's in it for me?" before doing a quest, or give snide remarks. She seems to have a soft spot for innocents/the weak and slaves, obviously.
Ya, my my bounty hunters cyborg companion likes when i'm cocky or ask about money. She does not like when i flirt with other woman, though :D
Quote from: katmai on December 21, 2011, 10:31:08 AM
Join us CC and together we will rule the Galaxy!!!1
:D
When I get back I will. Atm i am busy going to the beach between rain showers. During rain showers I am enjoying something called Monkey Juice which doesnt actually have any juice.
Wait does every class in this game get a 'pet'? :hmm:
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 12:48:59 PM
Wait does every class in this game get a 'pet'? :hmm:
Yes. In effect every class is a pet class. They don't get brought out in flashpoints though unless you are short of members.
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 12:48:59 PM
Wait does every class in this game get a 'pet'? :hmm:
several. and a ship which houses them. They do your crafting and resource gathering too, which i cool. unfortuantly until you have more then one it means that you go solo, which is shock sometimes when you're used to your healer pet.
I was tempted for a couple of seconds to roll a bounty hunter so I could eventually get the jawa companion.
i think you get him lateish, so you'd have to put a lot of work into it. Mako is good though.
Quote from: HVC on December 21, 2011, 12:50:57 PM
several. and a ship which houses them.
You start with a ship?
Dang. Wish I had the time to play this.
So how close does the gameplay feel to WoW? Does it follow that same combat formula?
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 12:57:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on December 21, 2011, 12:50:57 PM
several. and a ship which houses them.
You start with a ship?
Dang. Wish I had the time to play this.
You don't start with one. You get it ~lvl 18 I think.
MIM - very very much like WoW. If you've played WoW you know how combat in this game works.
Except no Auto-attack.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 21, 2011, 01:18:00 PM
Except no Auto-attack.
But auto-targets after starting to attack if other targets are close by. Makes the combat feel cinematic, which I like.
Plus I don't need manually turning around to face my enemy, like in LOTRO.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 21, 2011, 10:31:08 AM
Join us CC and together we will rule the Galaxy!!!1
:D
When I get back I will. Atm i am busy going to the beach between rain showers. During rain showers I am enjoying something called Monkey Juice which doesnt actually have any juice.
But does it have Monkey in it?
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 10:02:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 09:56:10 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 21, 2011, 07:37:39 AM
I thought for sure I would play the Sith, partly because I thought most people would be playing Jedi.
You clearly are unfamiliar with the MMORPG demographic.
When WoW came out most people went Alliance - which was great for those of us who went Horde because when pvp content was added horde didnt have long wait times to enter the pvp content. I thought the same thing would happen again.
You ignored the popularity of the /em NOOOOOOO! voiced by Hayden Christensen.
Truth be told, I had no problem with that NOOOOOOOOOOOO in ROTS, although I would have loved better if he had broken down like Michael Corleone at the Opera in The Godfather III.
My warrior has picked up he second companion. I won't pursue the romantic option, because I think he's rather oily, but he has some healing skill - my recent fights at level 22 required some downtime for regeneration in between. Perhaps time to upgrade the armor again.
I wonder if you can have a gay romance with the Predator dude that Sith Inquisitors get? :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on December 22, 2011, 06:27:18 AM
I wonder if you can have a gay romance with the Predator dude that Sith Inquisitors get? :hmm:
They said there's no same sex romance. Otherwise my Sith Juggernaut would be all over the twi'lek slave chick. :(
That sounds raunchier than it should.
Quote from: Syt on December 22, 2011, 06:31:46 AM
They said there's no same sex romance. Otherwise my Sith Juggernaut would be all over the twi'lek slave chick. :(
That sounds raunchier than it should.
Ruh roh. Marty boycott.
But seriously romance with NPCs in a MMORPG? WHy if they had this back in Everquest Meri would still be single :(
Quote from: Valmy on December 22, 2011, 10:10:19 AM
But seriously romance with NPCs in a MMORPG? WHy if they had this back in Everquest Meri would still be single :(
:hmm:
Just kidding, I'm sure he has a rich and deep personality.
Romance with companions in RPG.... :rolleyes:
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My play time has been limited (Sith Inq. at level 7) but so far other than the cool questing aspect of the game, I have not had any "wow" moments - excuse the pun. Frankly, the game seems like wow in space with a better quest system. Does this game get better at higher levels or basically stay the same?
Since I've never played WoW I cannot compare, but with my limited experience the voice-overs makes it a rather excellent experience until now. It "feels" Star Wars-ish.
And it's not inherently bad that it ressembles the WoW system, far more innovative MMOs have utterly failed and faded before.
Plus, f'ing space combat.
I'm having fun with this game. Crafted some nice armour but i'll have to craft some more. Went to aim crazy becasue i didn't realize enfdurance gives HP. The fast movement perk you get at level 15 (? ) is a god send.
Also, my powertech bounty hunter has a stupid looking merc helmet i got in a quest, and i can't get anotehr until much later on. it annoys me.
Wow. I am in a queue.
To access the forum website!
Quote from: Drakken on December 22, 2011, 10:50:27 AM
Romance with companions in RPG.... :rolleyes:
Why is that worse or different than any other form of interaction with companions in an RPG? I just figure in a MMORPG you are there to interact with and romance the other players not your pet.
Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2011, 10:11:02 AM
Companion affection isn't all that important though. You can get some kind of bonuses if your companion thinks highly of you (and of course there are the romance options at high affection), but even if your companion hates your guts they won't abandon you or stop working with you.
It seems the main thing affection modifies is crafting speed of your companion.
Got Naga Sadow's Dakhade as first companion. That monstrous freak beat the shit out of my targets and consumes them. :menace:
Get Error 9000 disconnects all the time, though. It's getting annoying.
My copy arrived yesterday, 36 hours after being ordered. I'd assumed that it would take them longer over the Christmas period :hmm:
Enjoying it so far, playing a Republic trooper.
Okay, so---hate Warcraft, but love KOTOR. Should I buy this?
I dont have it yet but I was pretty certain I was not going to get it because I thought it was just going to be a WoW clone and I am definitely done with WoW. But after reading through the forums this games seems to be much more then simply WoW with voice overs. Also, a bunch of oldtime guildies that had also sworn off WoW are really enjoying this.
Well it's a mainstream MMORPG. There are few surprises. I find it kind of meh but it's fun to play with friends, like most games.
I've been loving the game so far. Bioware seems to have taken much of the best of WoW and LOTRO and combined them. The game gets even better once they implement a guild bank and macros. I hope they do not enable add-ons or if they do, they are of limited functionality.
Game could really use a threat meter and a better system for tracking health so I can heal properly, but other than that I'm hooked hardcore. I've got a level 20 Mercenary and a level 14 Sorcerer. Woo ultra-dark side.
Quote from: Stonewall on December 24, 2011, 01:26:46 PM
I've been loving the game so far. Bioware seems to have taken much of the best of WoW and LOTRO and combined them. The game gets even better once they implement a guild bank and macros. I hope they do not enable add-ons or if they do, they are of limited functionality.
how soon it gets repetitive?
I just started doing space combat missions today. I find them to be very fun. :cool: Just make sure you get at least crappy shields + regenerator before trying to do any. :bleeding:
Seems they went with the WoT solution for Warzones : placing low-level characters mixed with über-leveled ones. So the warzone is, in effect, decided by whose side as the highest level toons.
Yea, I'm a bit dissapointed. Would a sorting mechanism have been too difficult?
I'm sort of amazed the Sith Empire has lasted more than twenty minutes. Why would you die for a bunch of evil space wizards who go out of their way to treat you like dirt?
It's the Star Wars universe, man. Check your brain at the door and enjoy the special effects.
Do you have to grind for Jawas?
ground Jawa :mmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 25, 2011, 06:41:14 AM
Do you have to grind for Jawas?
I think the Bounty Hunter gets a Jawa sidekick.
Hmmm, my need for many alts has illuminated a major downside to the game.
The content so far is ridiculously linear. From 1-10 you do Hutta or Korriban, from 10-17ish EVERYONE does Drumond Kaas.
Uggh. That is a lot of content to repeat...
Quote from: Berkut on December 25, 2011, 05:13:54 PM
Hmmm, my need for many alts has illuminated a major downside to the game.
Lulz
Quote from: Berkut on December 25, 2011, 05:13:54 PM
Hmmm, my need for many alts has illuminated a major downside to the game.
The content so far is ridiculously linear. From 1-10 you do Hutta or Korriban, from 10-17ish EVERYONE does Drumond Kaas.
Uggh. That is a lot of content to repeat...
Yes, the main pain-point is the levels 11-21 bottlenecks (Coruscant and the Sith capital). Probably kills the chance of me going through all main classes.
What's the Republic tank?
(No Timmy, I don't mean an ATET). I'm assuming a jedi guardian; I have a sith sorcerer as my main character, but dark jedi would be an amusing counterpoint.
There are several tanks on each side.
Republic is, IIRC, Jedi Guardian, the trooper, and one of the Smugglers ACs?
You are fail Berkie
Guardian, one of trooper advance classes and the Jedi ...shadow(?) advance class.
Quote from: szmik on December 24, 2011, 03:16:45 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on December 24, 2011, 01:26:46 PM
I've been loving the game so far. Bioware seems to have taken much of the best of WoW and LOTRO and combined them. The game gets even better once they implement a guild bank and macros. I hope they do not enable add-ons or if they do, they are of limited functionality.
how soon it gets repetitive?
Depends on how much time you spend playing alts. Right now, as has been previously mentioned, there are limited places for leveling in the early game. I had decided to take all my toons through the DK quests before I finalized a main character. Doing DK for the 6th time has finally gotten to me. :D That said, I'm loving the dps mercenary and its between him and DPS sorcerer to decide who goes to Balmorra first.
The missions are as one would expect. Kill x number of this. Find x number of that. Destroy x number of y item. In that sense, its incredibly repetitive. Unlike WoW, I feel like there's a point to why I'm doing my missions. Especially the class missions. All the class stories so far have been excellent.
I rolled a bounty hunter yesterday. Plus: the skills are pretty fun and the char has some pretty good dialogue lines. Minus: The starting place (Nal Hutta) is a serious shithole, and the quests didn't pull me in like the meddling at the Sith Academy on Korriban.
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My Sith Juggernaut is looking like he may get retired. He isn't terrible or anything, but compared to the other classes I've dabbled in, he is very weak. He is pretty much dead if he ever takes on a couple even levels at a time without his companion. With the companion, he is fine, as long as I remember to heal after every fight or two.
I think part of the problem is that the companion you get makes no sense with a tank class. Vette is a ranged tank/dps. That makes no real sense paired up with another tank. And the 2nd companion is a droid who sits on your ship.
It doesn't help that I chose Artificer for his crafting skill, and so far I have not come across a single item that he can make that is even slightly useful, except a shield. All those mods and hilts? Junk compared to what you get as quest rewards or commendations. And its not like you need very many in any case.
My Sith Sorcere, on the other hand, is ridiculous. She gets a true tank companion, and just wrecks everything. She can dps and heal easily, and never even gets her hands dirty. Definitely of the four classes I've played this is the most powerful at the moment.
My sniper is not quite as powerful, but pretty close. Much more situational though, and the cover mechanics are a cool idea in theory, but a pain in the ass in practice. Sniper companion would be perfect for my Jugg though!
Have a low level bounty hunter as well - so far seems very capable, nice mix of different things in his bag of tricks. Not as dominating as the Sorcerer or the Sniper, but has a nicely rounded skill set, it seems.
Berk, the droid has healing skills. You get items for him as quest rewards, too, so you can upgrade him (and you can summon him via the "N" menu) - he can't use weapons but seems a bit eager to go into fistfights, though - you probably need to tweak his equipped skills. :P I didn't have a problem with Vette as companion, but I'm speccing full defense.
On Balmorra you get a new companion who can heal and deal some damage. He's considerably reduced my downtimes between fights.
Hmm, didn't realize that, will have to give him a try.
And yeah, when Vette is there, I don't have any trouble - she puts out enough damage that we can handle all the content fine. I am speccing full defense as well.
I really like the companions - adds a lot more complexity to the game. However, I am not sure they've really designed them well, in that you can't tell how the solo content is intended to be balanced. And given that the synergy between roles is so critical to capability, that balance becomes that much more susceptible to being out of whack when comparing Jugg+Vette to Sorc+Khel, for example. Where one pair has excellent synergy, and the other not so great (even if it still works out ok).
Yeah, I agree. The way I see Vette is as dps while yo tank the enemy. I think you can assign her some AOE effects as well (I haven't tinkered with companion skills very much yet).
Well, maintenance is now two hours longer than scheduled, and there's no ETA when the servers are coming up.
Ever since the maintenance and the patch I get a "Server not Responding" message from the login launcher. "Customer Service" has not responded at all. I can ping the swtor site successfully, I ran the "fixlauncher" app, tried turning off my firewall but still now joy.
As useful as Quinn is as a companion, he is quite boring and anemic. He has all the charms of an accountant paired with the humour of a bureaucrat. I'm guessing this is what Admiral Piett was like as a lieutenant.
Siege should love this game. A bonus mission chain on Tatooine:
1. Kill 20 Sand People
2. Kill 40 Sand People
3. Poison their water supply
5. Kill their leader
Sorry if I missed this, but has anyone figured out a way to copy over key bindings and friends lists from toon to toon?
And I still get the Server Not Responding.
Nice patch work.
:mad:
That's weird. Things are working fine here.
Yeah CC, at this point have you tried the radical solutions, like a complete uninstall and reinstall?
You know I think the game drags a bit at Coruscant, but then takes off again once you get your spaceship. :cool:
Not that space combat is all that - it's pretty light. But just how the universe finally opens up to you, how you have your own base to work out of...
I have to wait for my faggoty ass buddies before I can finish Coruscant. :mad:
Built a new computer so had to re-install. Getting the stupid English assets bug. How do you mess up your launcher. Not only that how do you have a functioning launcher and mess it up after the fact.
Quote from: Berkut on December 29, 2011, 03:12:30 PM
Yeah CC, at this point have you tried the radical solutions, like a complete uninstall and reinstall?
I did a complete uninstall reinstall of the game but no go.
I have tried all the workarounds suggested but nothing is working. I am hoping that since the last maintenance patch broke it the next maintenance/patch this Wednesday will fix it.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 03, 2012, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 29, 2011, 03:12:30 PM
Yeah CC, at this point have you tried the radical solutions, like a complete uninstall and reinstall?
I did a complete uninstall reinstall of the game but no go.
I have tried all the workarounds suggested but nothing is working. I am hoping that since the last maintenance patch broke it the next maintenance/patch this Wednesday will fix it.
Damn, that seriously sucks.
I assume you did all the normal stuff, like updating your video card drivers and such?
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2012, 03:51:15 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 03, 2012, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 29, 2011, 03:12:30 PM
Yeah CC, at this point have you tried the radical solutions, like a complete uninstall and reinstall?
I did a complete uninstall reinstall of the game but no go.
I have tried all the workarounds suggested but nothing is working. I am hoping that since the last maintenance patch broke it the next maintenance/patch this Wednesday will fix it.
Damn, that seriously sucks.
I assume you did all the normal stuff, like updating your video card drivers and such?
Yeah, flushed DNS, changed passwords, checked time in BIOS, checked the driver services files, played with firewall and virus protection, ran everything from administrator, nothing seems to work.
Do you have a router with a NAT in it? Might be they changed to a port that wasn't being forwarded.
I am not sure what a NAT is.
in any event there is nothing on the forums about ports being changed.
Unfortunately whatever they did in maintenance did not address this issue.
This is beginning to make MOO 3 look like a good buy.
Have you heard about anyone else having the same problem?
What exactly IS the problem?
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 05, 2012, 01:36:37 PM
Unfortunately whatever they did in maintenance did not address this issue.
This is beginning to make MOO 3 look like a good buy.
:face:
Yo, cc, does this help?
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=113360
QuoteGreetings All,
Please ensure your computer time settings correspond to your swtor.com account basic settings time zone to prevent the Server Not Responding error message.
If you are seeing a blank Server Select screen, this issue could be caused by your firewall.
Please wait at least 3 minutes on the server page and confirm that the list has not been populated,then please remove and re-add "swtor.exe" to the list of exceptions of your firewall, disable any programs similar to "peer-blocker" and restart your Router.
Please be aware that we do not recommend to turn off firewall or your internet security completely.
For all those not sure how to set up exceptions for their firewall or internet security software please refer to following pages when using the Windows built-in firewall:
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If you are using a 3rd party software or Internet security software with built-in firewall please refer to the manual you have received with your software package. When you don't have a manual you have to visit the website of your software developer.
Also make sure you have only one firewall working at the same time. Never use a firewall delivered with your internet security software package together with your windows firewall - turn one of them off.
Don't use a proxy - it may interfere with the communication between your client and our servers. When you are on a public network like on the campus of an university or a hotel you have to contact the network administrator because they may block some ports used for server communication.
We also recommend that you turn off any software you are not using as long as you play Star Wars: The Old Republic.
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There's also this thread:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=88624
Quoteupdate:
was on the phone with swtor for 3hrs taking to a tier 3 support and his boss. its a network problem. They gave me the port numbers and we ran a tracet test on the site because they couldn't run one on me while I was in game. During that tracet test we found that i was loosing all incoming ip address's when I sit on a page. I start out with a huge number of the same or slightly different IP address's siting on my account page and the more times we did a tracet test the more of those IP address's disappeared. They told me to contact my internet provider and I did. I was on the phone with my internet provider for 3hrs total. My cell phone died half way threw so I had to recall them and get a different guy but everything they did on there end didnt solve anything either. The last thing they did was a tech provider for my modem manual opened ports 8995, 12000-12999 and 20000-30000. He did this and nothing changed. I still got the Server Not Responding error. He even offered to give me a replacement modem for free. I have tried many things and will talk to swtor customer server yet again today or tomorrow I haven't picked yet and update there tier 3 tech support. This problem has caused way to much hassle over the 4, now 5days since I bought the game and have been unable to play.
This is just my fail attempt to put all the information I have on this forum to try to get some attention to this topic.
Quotei dont know if it will help but i was having the same thing happening to me i was fighting it for three day and all i did to fix it was set my computers clock the time and date was off and now it work just fine. hope this helps sorry if it dont
QuoteSo I decided not to go with Origin. What I found out was that my Norton 360 was blocking the game from connecting with the servers. I changed my settings, and it's downloading the patch.
Hope this helps.
And then there's this thread:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=13969
QuoteOriginally Posted by Jennilynn
mookasabi! I have it working! I found that the \windows\system32\drivers\etc\services file was missing a whole bunch of stuff. My bf emailed me what was in his, I put it in, shut down completely, turned back on, and bam, I'm patching.
In spoiler tags below, what I put in the services file to make it work. Note that to edit that file, you have to first run Notepad as Administrator, and use the Open dialog from within Notepad to browse to the file. You also can't see it in the Open dialog until you change the dropdown on the right side to "All Files" instead of "Text files".
I really hope this works for you.
Quoteecho 7/tcp
echo 7/udp
discard 9/tcp sink null
discard 9/udp sink null
systat 11/tcp users #Active users
systat 11/udp users #Active users
daytime 13/tcp
daytime 13/udp
qotd 17/tcp quote #Quote of the day
qotd 17/udp quote #Quote of the day
chargen 19/tcp ttytst source #Character generator
chargen 19/udp ttytst source #Character generator
ftp-data 20/tcp #FTP, data
ftp 21/tcp #FTP. control
ssh 22/tcp #SSH Remote Login Protocol
telnet 23/tcp
smtp 25/tcp mail #Simple Mail Transfer Protocol
time 37/tcp timserver
time 37/udp timserver
rlp 39/udp resource #Resource Location Protocol
nameserver 42/tcp name #Host Name Server
nameserver 42/udp name #Host Name Server
nicname 43/tcp whois
domain 53/tcp #Domain Name Server
domain 53/udp #Domain Name Server
bootps 67/udp dhcps #Bootstrap Protocol Server
bootpc 68/udp dhcpc #Bootstrap Protocol Client
tftp 69/udp #Trivial File Transfer
gopher 70/tcp
finger 79/tcp
http 80/tcp www www-http #World Wide Web
hosts2-ns 81/tcp #HOSTS2 Name Server
hosts2-ns 81/udp #HOSTS2 Name Server
kerberos 88/tcp krb5 kerberos-sec #Kerberos
kerberos 88/udp krb5 kerberos-sec #Kerberos
hostname 101/tcp hostnames #NIC Host Name Server
iso-tsap 102/tcp #ISO-TSAP Class 0
rtelnet 107/tcp #Remote Telnet Service
pop2 109/tcp postoffice #Post Office Protocol - Version 2
pop3 110/tcp #Post Office Protocol - Version 3
sunrpc 111/tcp rpcbind portmap #SUN Remote Procedure Call
sunrpc 111/udp rpcbind portmap #SUN Remote Procedure Call
auth 113/tcp ident tap #Identification Protocol
uucp-path 117/tcp
sqlserv 118/tcp #SQL Services
nntp 119/tcp usenet #Network News Transfer Protocol
ntp 123/udp #Network Time Protocol
epmap 135/tcp loc-srv #DCE endpoint resolution
epmap 135/udp loc-srv #DCE endpoint resolution
netbios-ns 137/tcp nbname #NETBIOS Name Service
netbios-ns 137/udp nbname #NETBIOS Name Service
netbios-dgm 138/udp nbdatagram #NETBIOS Datagram Service
netbios-ssn 139/tcp nbsession #NETBIOS Session Service
imap 143/tcp imap4 #Internet Message Access Protocol
sql-net 150/tcp
sqlsrv 156/tcp
pcmail-srv 158/tcp #PCMail Server
snmp 161/udp #SNMP
snmptrap 162/udp snmp-trap #SNMP trap
print-srv 170/tcp #Network PostScript
bgp 179/tcp #Border Gateway Protocol
irc 194/tcp #Internet Relay Chat Protocol
ipx 213/udp #IPX over IP
rtsps 322/tcp
rtsps 322/udp
mftp 349/tcp
mftp 349/udp
ldap 389/tcp #Lightweight Directory Access Protocol
https 443/tcp MCom #HTTP over TLS/SSL
https 443/udp MCom #HTTP over TLS/SSL
microsoft-ds 445/tcp
microsoft-ds 445/udp
kpasswd 464/tcp # Kerberos (v5)
kpasswd 464/udp # Kerberos (v5)
isakmp 500/udp ike #Internet Key Exchange
crs 507/tcp #Content Replication System
crs 507/udp #Content Replication System
exec 512/tcp #Remote Process Execution
biff 512/udp comsat
login 513/tcp #Remote Login
who 513/udp whod
cmd 514/tcp shell
syslog 514/udp
printer 515/tcp spooler
talk 517/udp
ntalk 518/udp
efs 520/tcp #Extended File Name Server
router 520/udp route routed
ulp 522/tcp
ulp 522/udp
timed 525/udp timeserver
tempo 526/tcp newdate
irc-serv 529/tcp
irc-serv 529/udp
courier 530/tcp rpc
conference 531/tcp chat
netnews 532/tcp readnews
netwall 533/udp #For emergency broadcasts
uucp 540/tcp uucpd
klogin 543/tcp #Kerberos login
kshell 544/tcp krcmd #Kerberos remote shell
dhcpv6-client 546/tcp #DHCPv6 Client
dhcpv6-client 546/udp #DHCPv6 Client
dhcpv6-server 547/tcp #DHCPv6 Server
dhcpv6-server 547/udp #DHCPv6 Server
afpovertcp 548/tcp #AFP over TCP
afpovertcp 548/udp #AFP over TCP
new-rwho 550/udp new-who
rtsp 554/tcp #Real Time Stream Control Protocol
rtsp 554/udp #Real Time Stream Control Protocol
remotefs 556/tcp rfs rfs_server
rmonitor 560/udp rmonitord
monitor 561/udp
nntps 563/tcp snntp #NNTP over TLS/SSL
nntps 563/udp snntp #NNTP over TLS/SSL
whoami 565/tcp
whoami 565/udp
ms-shuttle 568/tcp #Microsoft shuttle
ms-shuttle 568/udp #Microsoft shuttle
ms-rome 569/tcp #Microsoft rome
ms-rome 569/udp #Microsoft rome
http-rpc-epmap 593/tcp #HTTP RPC Ep Map
http-rpc-epmap 593/udp #HTTP RPC Ep Map
hmmp-ind 612/tcp #HMMP Indication
hmmp-ind 612/udp #HMMP Indication
hmmp-op 613/tcp #HMMP Operation
hmmp-op 613/udp #HMMP Operation
ldaps 636/tcp sldap #LDAP over TLS/SSL
doom 666/tcp #Doom Id Software
doom 666/udp #Doom Id Software
msexch-routing 691/tcp #MS Exchange Routing
msexch-routing 691/udp #MS Exchange Routing
kerberos-adm 749/tcp #Kerberos administration
kerberos-adm 749/udp #Kerberos administration
kerberos-iv 750/udp #Kerberos version IV
mdbs_daemon 800/tcp
mdbs_daemon 800/udp
ftps-data 989/tcp #FTP data, over TLS/SSL
ftps 990/tcp #FTP control, over TLS/SSL
telnets 992/tcp #Telnet protocol over TLS/SSL
imaps 993/tcp #IMAP4 protocol over TLS/SSL
ircs 994/tcp #IRC protocol over TLS/SSL
pop3s 995/tcp spop3 #pop3 protocol over TLS/SSL (was spop3)
pop3s 995/udp spop3 #pop3 protocol over TLS/SSL (was spop3)
kpop 1109/tcp #Kerberos POP
nfsd-status 1110/tcp #Cluster status info
nfsd-keepalive 1110/udp #Client status info
nfa 1155/tcp #Network File Access
nfa 1155/udp #Network File Access
activesync 1034/tcp #ActiveSync Notifications
phone 1167/udp #Conference calling
opsmgr 1270/tcp #Microsoft Operations Manager
opsmgr 1270/udp #Microsoft Operations Manager
ms-sql-s 1433/tcp #Microsoft-SQL-Server
ms-sql-s 1433/udp #Microsoft-SQL-Server
ms-sql-m 1434/tcp #Microsoft-SQL-Monitor
ms-sql-m 1434/udp #Microsoft-SQL-Monitor
ms-sna-server 1477/tcp
ms-sna-server 1477/udp
ms-sna-base 1478/tcp
ms-sna-base 1478/udp
wins 1512/tcp #Microsoft Windows Internet Name Service
wins 1512/udp #Microsoft Windows Internet Name Service
ingreslock 1524/tcp ingres
stt 1607/tcp
stt 1607/udp
l2tp 1701/udp #Layer Two Tunneling Protocol
pptconference 1711/tcp
pptconference 1711/udp
pptp 1723/tcp #Point-to-point tunnelling protocol
msiccp 1731/tcp
msiccp 1731/udp
remote-winsock 1745/tcp
remote-winsock 1745/udp
ms-streaming 1755/tcp
ms-streaming 1755/udp
msmq 1801/tcp #Microsoft Message Queue
msmq 1801/udp #Microsoft Message Queue
radius 1812/udp #RADIUS authentication protocol
radacct 1813/udp #RADIUS accounting protocol
msnp 1863/tcp
msnp 1863/udp
ssdp 1900/tcp
ssdp 1900/udp
close-combat 1944/tcp
close-combat 1944/udp
nfsd 2049/udp nfs #NFS server
knetd 2053/tcp #Kerberos de-multiplexor
mzap 2106/tcp #Multicast-Scope Zone Announcement Protocol
mzap 2106/udp #Multicast-Scope Zone Announcement Protocol
qwave 2177/tcp #QWAVE
qwave 2177/udp #QWAVE Experiment Port
directplay 2234/tcp #DirectPlay
directplay 2234/udp #DirectPlay
ms-olap3 2382/tcp #Microsoft OLAP 3
ms-olap3 2382/udp #Microsoft OLAP 3
ms-olap4 2383/tcp #Microsoft OLAP 4
ms-olap4 2383/udp #Microsoft OLAP 4
ms-olap1 2393/tcp #Microsoft OLAP 1
ms-olap1 2393/udp #Microsoft OLAP 1
ms-olap2 2394/tcp #Microsoft OLAP 2
ms-olap2 2394/udp #Microsoft OLAP 2
ms-theater 2460/tcp
ms-theater 2460/udp
wlbs 2504/tcp #Microsoft Windows Load Balancing Server
wlbs 2504/udp #Microsoft Windows Load Balancing Server
ms-v-worlds 2525/tcp #Microsoft V-Worlds
ms-v-worlds 2525/udp #Microsoft V-Worlds
sms-rcinfo 2701/tcp #SMS RCINFO
sms-rcinfo 2701/udp #SMS RCINFO
sms-xfer 2702/tcp #SMS XFER
sms-xfer 2702/udp #SMS XFER
sms-chat 2703/tcp #SMS CHAT
sms-chat 2703/udp #SMS CHAT
sms-remctrl 2704/tcp #SMS REMCTRL
sms-remctrl 2704/udp #SMS REMCTRL
msolap-ptp2 2725/tcp #MSOLAP PTP2
msolap-ptp2 2725/udp #MSOLAP PTP2
icslap 2869/tcp
icslap 2869/udp
cifs 3020/tcp
cifs 3020/udp
xbox 3074/tcp #Microsoft Xbox game port
xbox 3074/udp #Microsoft Xbox game port
ms-dotnetster 3126/tcp #Microsoft .NET ster port
ms-dotnetster 3126/udp #Microsoft .NET ster port
ms-rule-engine 3132/tcp #Microsoft Business Rule Engine Update Service
ms-rule-engine 3132/udp #Microsoft Business Rule Engine Update Service
msft-gc 3268/tcp #Microsoft Global Catalog
msft-gc 3268/udp #Microsoft Global Catalog
msft-gc-ssl 3269/tcp #Microsoft Global Catalog with LDAP/SSL
msft-gc-ssl 3269/udp #Microsoft Global Catalog with LDAP/SSL
ms-cluster-net 3343/tcp #Microsoft Cluster Net
ms-cluster-net 3343/udp #Microsoft Cluster Net
ms-wbt-server 3389/tcp #MS WBT Server
ms-wbt-server 3389/udp #MS WBT Server
ms-la 3535/tcp #Microsoft Class Server
ms-la 3535/udp #Microsoft Class Server
pnrp-port 3540/tcp #PNRP User Port
pnrp-port 3540/udp #PNRP User Port
teredo 3544/tcp #Teredo Port
teredo 3544/udp #Teredo Port
p2pgroup 3587/tcp #Peer to Peer Grouping
p2pgroup 3587/udp #Peer to Peer Grouping
ws-discovery 3702/udp #WS-Discovery
ws-discovery 3702/tcp #WS-Discovery
dvcprov-port 3776/tcp #Device Provisioning Port
dvcprov-port 3776/udp #Device Provisioning Port
msfw-control 3847/tcp #Microsoft Firewall Control
msdts1 3882/tcp #DTS Service Port
sdp-portmapper 3935/tcp #SDP Port Mapper Protocol
sdp-portmapper 3935/udp #SDP Port Mapper Protocol
net-device 4350/tcp #Net Device
net-device 4350/udp #Net Device
ipsec-msft 4500/tcp #Microsoft IPsec NAT-T
ipsec-msft 4500/udp #Microsoft IPsec NAT-T
llmnr 5355/tcp #LLMNR
llmnr 5355/udp #LLMNR
wsd 5357/tcp #Web Services on devices
wsd 5358/tcp #Web Services on devices
rrac 5678/tcp #Remote Replication Agent Connection
rrac 5678/udp #Remote Replication Agent Connection
dccm 5679/tcp #Direct Cable Connect Manager
dccm 5679/udp #Direct Cable Connect Manager
ms-licensing 5720/tcp #Microsoft Licensing
ms-licensing 5720/udp #Microsoft Licensing
directplay8 6073/tcp #DirectPlay8
directplay8 6073/udp #DirectPlay8
man 9535/tcp #Remote Man Server
rasadv 9753/tcp
rasadv 9753/udp
imip-channels 11320/tcp #IMIP Channels Port
imip-channels 11320/udp #IMIP Channels Port
directplaysrvr 47624/tcp #Direct Play Server
directplaysrvr 47624/udp #Direct Play Server
Quote from: Berkut on January 05, 2012, 01:55:53 PM
Have you heard about anyone else having the same problem?
What exactly IS the problem?
Yeah, my thread in the CS section of the forum is well attended. there are also variations on the theme that a lot of people are experiencing - all related to the launcher.
Thanks Syt but I have done all those things.
Ironically when I replaced my current services files with the files suggested I got the error the suggested files were supposed to fix.
Beautiful line: "I'd rather see Alderaan blown up into space debris than turning it over to the Empire!" :lol:
Quote from: Syt on January 06, 2012, 09:46:17 AM
Beautiful line: "I'd rather see Alderaan blown up into space debris than turning it over to the Empire!" :lol:
I also liked that part in KOTOR where you try to protect the Jedi base on Dantooine by claiming it was on Alderaan.
I like the sniper class quest where I have to stop the dissidents from blowing up the power conduits that provide power to Kaas City.
Said conduits run underneath the Dark Temple. That has been there for thousands of years before Kaas City was even built.
So that means that when they built Kaas City, they went and dug underneath the Dark Temple to lay the power conduits? Really?
Quote from: Berkut on January 06, 2012, 10:16:07 AM
I like the sniper class quest where I have to stop the dissidents from blowing up the power conduits that provide power to Kaas City.
Said conduits run underneath the Dark Temple. That has been there for thousands of years before Kaas City was even built.
So that means that when they built Kaas City, they went and dug underneath the Dark Temple to lay the power conduits? Really?
Maybe they did an aarchaeological survey beforehand and the Sith Landmarks Commission required them to dig underneath it so to preserve this important part of Sith cultural heritage.
Moved my reply to this thread so that Berk doesn't yell at me :P
To BB's question about who is still playing, i still liek the game. Benn off a few days becasue of school though.
Quote from: HVC on January 11, 2012, 09:32:24 AM
Moved my reply to this thread so that Berk doesn't yell at me :P
To BB's question about who is still playing, i still liek the game. Benn off a few days becasue of school though.
Well since everyone else is Sith and I rolled on a different server, I was curious if people are still playing. I am - about to hit 25 on my trooper. I've also rolled a jedi alt and a smuggler alt. Smuggler has some great lines, and I gave mine the moustache of a 70s porn star. :cool: Not sure I'll take either over level 10 any time soon - not eager to re-run all those coruscant quests.
My Juggernaut is about to hit 30, and my Sorc is at 21.
Ive found that if I alternate doing the side quests on each world, I still get plenty of XP from the mainline quests and PVP/space combat/FPs to level, and then I don't have to repeat everything.
Been sick, but still playing. My main is lvl 24 Sith Assassin.
I rolled a Republic character on your server Beeb, but thanks to the silly interface wouldn't let me add you I you weren't on.
Still playing, with a Jug at 36, and a Merc at 13.
Still cant play. 14 days left on the free subscription to figure out what is wrong then this baby goes on the MOO3 pile.
How very odd CC. No new insights on swtor boards
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2012, 02:20:43 PM
How very odd CC. No new insights on swtor boards
There is one guy who is helping out a lot - His thread is by far becoming the most popular in the CS forum. CS itself seems to have given up.
Have you tried actually calling customer support?
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2012, 03:29:24 PM
Have you tried actually calling customer support?
No, people with the same problem report that when they finally got through to a living breathing CS person (which could take more than an hour) that person had no idea what might fix the problem beyond the fixes already pinned on the forums.
I have exchanged 4 emails with customer support on this. They also dont provide any advice other than what is already pinned in the forums.
The best source of information is the guy I mentioned above. I am hoping he can find a solution for me.
The guy helping on the forums ran out of ideas so I contacted CS by phone. The good news is I got right through. The bad news is I spent 3 hours with them and they are stumped. They are going to be investigating further. Fingers crossed.
You connected through wifi? or is your computer connected straight to your router? I remember i had an issue connecting my playstation through wifi for whatever reason (opened all the ports sony told me to, etc.) but could connect through an ethernet cable. Eventually after a patch my wifi worked. Never figured out why, not that it matters now. Maybe this is a hail mary for you.
Have you tried connect your computer directly to the Modem without a routeur in the network?
I use to have BSODs when connecting the MSN Zone when my routeur was bridging the connection.
HVC & GF,
I am connected through Wifi with a dls modem connected to the router. I am a bit reluctant to mess with reconnecting the cables since I dont want to disrupt everyone the connectection for everyone else on their lap tops and our TV connection is also through my internet provider.
Is there a way to bypass the router to connect my computer directly to the modem without disrupting the router for everyone else?
Well your tv shouldn't make any difference, unless you're getting your tv signal via wi-fi (and I've never heard of that).
Plugging your computer right into your modem is simply a matter of unplugging the router and hooking the ethernet cable into your computer. Yes, it will take out your wi-fi completely, but it could at least narrow one variable.
One other option is to hook your computer directly to your router. That shouldn't affect anything else in your home.
Nope.
What BB said.
Yeah, I would at least try hooking your PC up straight to your modem to see if it works. If it does, you know the problem has something to do with the router.
Then, hook it straight up to the router. If THAT works, then you know your problem has something to do with the WiFi connection.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 12:14:09 PM
Well your tv shouldn't make any difference, unless you're getting your tv signal via wi-fi (and I've never heard of that).
That is exactly what I have. I dont have cable TV, I have DSL TV.
edit: guys, you are missing the point. I dont want to cut everyone else off from the router so unhooking it is really out of the question.
Optix? How do you like it?
My modem is both a modem and a router which has multiple ethernet ports so i can still hook up my desktop and still have wifi (which i do). not sure what type of router/modem you have. Your sons propbably do though. enlist their help :D
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 12:20:01 PM
Optix? How do you like it?
I dont think its Optix. I think its called TelusTV, but it is probably the same idea. I really like it. The quality is as good as the cable we had, the pay per view options are better imo, and the packages are better imo.
Also, I get the advantage of an upgrade in the DSL speed on the network as they provide the highest possible non commercial speed to ensure the quality of their service.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
edit: guys, you are missing the point. I dont want to cut everyone else off from the router so unhooking it is really out of the question.
You can't disconnect them for 10 minutes while you try to figure out what is going on?
Does your house operate on some kind of six nines service guarantee?
Quote from: HVC on January 12, 2012, 12:21:42 PM
My modem is both a modem and a router which has multiple ethernet ports so i can still hook up my desktop and still have wifi (which i do). not sure what type of router/modem you have. Your sons propbably do though. enlist their help :D
I have a separate modem and router - it looks like there is just one port coming out of the router which runs to the router. Some tech came it in to set it up when I started getting my TV service from my internet provider. I tried getting the boys on it but while they understand how to do stuff on the computer they dont know much about the hardware that makes it all go.
My next stop is to contact my ISP, the router is their own generic brand, and see if they have any suggestions.
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2012, 12:25:48 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
edit: guys, you are missing the point. I dont want to cut everyone else off from the router so unhooking it is really out of the question.
You can't disconnect them for 10 minutes while you try to figure out what is going on?
Does your house operate on some kind of six nines service guarantee?
:rolleyes:
If the fix is to run the game without the router that is no fix at all.
Plus I dont really want to mess with all the cables that are back there.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 12:14:09 PM
Well your tv shouldn't make any difference, unless you're getting your tv signal via wi-fi (and I've never heard of that).
That is exactly what I have. I dont have cable TV, I have DSL TV.
edit: guys, you are missing the point. I dont want to cut everyone else off from the router so unhooking it is really out of the question.
No one said you had to do it permanently. You're just trying to narrow down some variables.
If you have Telus TV, I'm sure you still have a cable running from the wall to your TV. I've never heard of getting your tv signal over wi-fi - it would be much too slow. I get all my services from one company too - Shaw - and I have a co-axial cable running from the wall to my cable box.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 12:28:49 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2012, 12:25:48 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
edit: guys, you are missing the point. I dont want to cut everyone else off from the router so unhooking it is really out of the question.
You can't disconnect them for 10 minutes while you try to figure out what is going on?
Does your house operate on some kind of six nines service guarantee?
:rolleyes:
If the fix is to run the game without the router that is no fix at all.
Plus I dont really want to mess with all the cables that are back there.
:frusty:
No one is saying it is a fix. We are saying maybe it will point you in the direction of how to fix it.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 12:28:49 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2012, 12:25:48 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
edit: guys, you are missing the point. I dont want to cut everyone else off from the router so unhooking it is really out of the question.
You can't disconnect them for 10 minutes while you try to figure out what is going on?
Does your house operate on some kind of six nines service guarantee?
:rolleyes:
If the fix is to run the game without the router that is no fix at all.
Plus I dont really want to mess with all the cables that are back there.
Not looking for a fix, looking to diagnose the problem. This is how you diagnose potential hardware problems, you disconnect shit until stuff starts working!
And don't be intimidated by all those wires. It isn't nearly as bad as it looks.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 12:14:09 PM
Well your tv shouldn't make any difference, unless you're getting your tv signal via wi-fi (and I've never heard of that).
That is exactly what I have. I dont have cable TV, I have DSL TV.
edit: guys, you are missing the point. I dont want to cut everyone else off from the router so unhooking it is really out of the question.
No one said you had to do it permanently. You're just trying to narrow down some variables.
If you have Telus TV, I'm sure you still have a cable running from the wall to your TV. I've never heard of getting your tv signal over wi-fi - it would be much too slow. I get all my services from one company too - Shaw - and I have a co-axial cable running from the wall to my cable box.
Um, BB you have a cable because shaw is a cable based service.
When I powered down my router to see if that would reset things the TV does not work so I think you are wrong about me not getting TV over the internet...
ZOMG, you powered down your router!
WHAT DID THE KIDS DO FOR INTERNET WHILE YOU WERE DOING THAT???
Whatever you have, you have a cable coming from some wall into your modem. You have another cable (this one is ethernet) going from your modem to your router, assuming your router and modem are separate.
Your router will have some number between 0 and 6 ethernet plugs in the back. These are for connecting PCs via ethernet (as opposed to wifi). Is your PC hooked up to the router with an ethernet cable, or does it just use wifi?
Does the routeur provide the signal for the TV or is it the Telus Modem?
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2012, 12:36:48 PM
ZOMG, you powered down your router!
WHAT DID THE KIDS DO FOR INTERNET WHILE YOU WERE DOING THAT???
Whatever you have, you have a cable coming from some wall into your modem. You have another cable (this one is ethernet) going from your modem to your router, assuming your router and modem are separate.
Your router will have some number between 0 and 6 ethernet plugs in the back. These are for connecting PCs via ethernet (as opposed to wifi). Is your PC hooked up to the router with an ethernet cable, or does it just use wifi?
Stop being a Tech support Jack ass. CC's our friend & we give them shit AFTERWARDS not while fixing it.
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2012, 12:36:48 PM
ZOMG, you powered down your router!
WHAT DID THE KIDS DO FOR INTERNET WHILE YOU WERE DOING THAT???
You can fuck right off.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 12:38:27 PM
Does the routeur provide the signal for the TV or is it the Telus Modem?
I am not sure about that GF. I am not sure if the modem is connected directly to the TVs and the router or just the router. I will check that when I get home.
CC when you get home tonight check to see if your router has multiple ethernet ports (most do). If you have a free one you can use that without fear of disrupting your current connections. if you have no free one unplug one and use that. worst comes to worst only one tv will be down :lol:
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 12:38:27 PM
Does the routeur provide the signal for the TV or is it the Telus Modem?
I am not sure about that GF. I am not sure if the modem is connected directly to the TVs and the router or just the router. I will check that when I get home.
Alright.
Sounds to me like you have a Set Top Box connected to your TV connected over Wifi to the Internet for IPTV.
What I'm wondering is : Is the Telus routeur necessary for TelusTV to work or would any Routeur would do.
Quote from: HVC on January 12, 2012, 12:56:32 PM
CC when you get home tonight check to see if your router has multiple ethernet ports (most do). If you have a free one you can use that without fear of disrupting your current connections. if you have no free one unplug one and use that. worst comes to worst only one tv will be down :lol:
Ah, I hadnt thought of trying to connect directly to my router. Many thanks.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
What I'm wondering is : Is the Telus routeur necessary for TelusTV to work or would any Routeur would do.
That I dont know. They say its a special high speed thingie so maybe its customized for the Telus service?
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
What I'm wondering is : Is the Telus routeur necessary for TelusTV to work or would any Routeur would do.
That I dont know. They say its a special high speed thingie so maybe its customized for the Telus service?
Maybe. That would be surprising. I think your idea of giving Telus support a ring might be a good idea.
Except I think you'd need to isolate the fact that your telus router or modem is the problem.
So to get away from tech support a bit...
last night at Nar Shadaa I see a mention in general chat "need healer for heroic". (for those who don't know, heroics in TOR are four player content that is not instanced and fairly short). So I send a tell and get invited.
But when I get to the group I quickly see we have three DPS and me. Two Jedi shadows and a smuggler of some sort. As such it is a huge PITA to try and keep them all healed, and nobody has any aggro control. We do reasonably okay (though I feel like the work is all on me), but we do wipe. At which point I say "sorry, bedtime" and log out.
Was I unreasonable, or justified?
That particular mission is just a "Kill X number of Y" kind of mission, so they could always find someone new and complete it - no real progress was lost.
When it's late, it's late.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2012, 12:36:48 PM
ZOMG, you powered down your router!
WHAT DID THE KIDS DO FOR INTERNET WHILE YOU WERE DOING THAT???
Whatever you have, you have a cable coming from some wall into your modem. You have another cable (this one is ethernet) going from your modem to your router, assuming your router and modem are separate.
Your router will have some number between 0 and 6 ethernet plugs in the back. These are for connecting PCs via ethernet (as opposed to wifi). Is your PC hooked up to the router with an ethernet cable, or does it just use wifi?
Stop being a Tech support Jack ass. CC's our friend & we give them shit AFTERWARDS not while fixing it.
I see no reason why to delay value shit-giving until later.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 01:20:13 PM
Except I think you'd need to isolate the fact that your telus router or modem is the problem.
Yep. They are not going to help unless CC can make it clear the problem is the router or modem. Maybe not even then.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
Was I unreasonable, or justified?
You probably stayed longer then most would have.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 01:20:13 PM
Except I think you'd need to isolate the fact that your telus router or modem is the problem.
CS told me the specific questions to ask about port accessability etc. I would be shocked if my ISP would answer such questions.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
Was I unreasonable, or justified?
You probably stayed longer then most would have.
Because I'm still learning what all the classes are and lok like, it didn't dawn on me right away thank there was nobody remotely close to a tank.
Do you really need a dedicated tank for "kill X of Y" though? If you have enough DPS and CC, a tank should not be necessary.
QuoteThat particular mission is just a "Kill X number of Y" kind of mission, so they could always find someone new and complete it - no real progress was lost.
Not really true though, since why would someone else want to go join when Z of Y have already been killed, since they will need to kill X of Y, and hence the rest of the group would need to kill X anyway.
I dunno - bailing on a group is not cool, unless there is some pretty good reason for it, and not having a tank for a low level "heroic" group is not unusual in my experience so far. Certainly wiping is not a good reason to bail, IMO.
Now, and actual FP is a different story.
And isn't a Jedi Shadow potentially a tank class anyway? They are listed as such in the creation screen.
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2012, 02:11:20 PM
And isn't a Jedi Shadow potentially a tank class anyway? They are listed as such in the creation screen.
Really?
I thought consulars only had DPS and healing options?
No shadows can be tanks. In beta the guilds doing end game content were using shadow tanks.
To recap there is tank tree for both Force classes and trooper/BH.
Whoops.
But I was tired.
Not saying there Weren't both dps spec shadows. Also know from Sith side we don't have all taunts/cc till like lvl 22 when we are tank spec.
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2012, 03:28:48 PM
Not saying there Weren't both dps spec shadows. Also know from Sith side we don't have all taunts/cc till like lvl 22 when we are tank spec.
They were both sneaking around. Can they both sneak and tank?
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
Whoops.
But I was tired.
WEll, just because they may have been tanks hardly makes them actually competent.
So in their first 1.1 patch they are announcing a new flashpoint - Rise of the Rakghouls, and a new boss in the end raid. And it comes out next week.
The next major patch will include Rise of the Rakghouls Part II, yet more raid bosses, and a bunch of other features. It comes out in March.
If they keep to that kind of content schedule it could keep me hooked for a long time. I rather assumed at this point I'd play till max level then drop out.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2012, 03:28:48 PM
Not saying there Weren't both dps spec shadows. Also know from Sith side we don't have all taunts/cc till like lvl 22 when we are tank spec.
They were both sneaking around. Can they both sneak and tank?
Uh the class has stealth as whole I believe. I mean my tank spec can stealth.
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2012, 04:54:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2012, 03:28:48 PM
Not saying there Weren't both dps spec shadows. Also know from Sith side we don't have all taunts/cc till like lvl 22 when we are tank spec.
They were both sneaking around. Can they both sneak and tank?
Uh the class has stealth as whole I believe. I mean my tank spec can stealth.
Fascinating.
Quote from: HVC on January 12, 2012, 12:56:32 PM
CC when you get home tonight check to see if your router has multiple ethernet ports (most do). If you have a free one you can use that without fear of disrupting your current connections. if you have no free one unplug one and use that. worst comes to worst only one tv will be down :lol:
Ok, the comments by you and GF have helped me understand what all these cables are finally. I have a phone line running to my modem and one cable of some sort (ethernet cable?) running from my modem to my router. There are no other ports on my modem. As you said there are a number of ports from my router and to answer BB's query of how TV is possible there is also a TV type cable running from my router into the wall which I assume is what is connecting my TVs in the rest of the house. There is an ethernet? cable running from my router to my computer - so that is already done and as I look at my connection info it says my computer is connected both "locally" which I assume means through the cable and "Internet" which I assume means wifi. There is another ethernet? cable running from the router to the wall. I am not sure what that is but I suspect it has something to do with the internet TV service.
Now that I understand the setup a bit better I took the ethernet cable that connected the modem to the router and connected the computer directly to the modem with it. Unfortunately I got the same error message. So I am not sure where to go from here.
edit: And my isp says all ports needed by the game are available and they are not sure what the problem could be.
If your computer is connected by the ethernet cable then you probably aren't connected through the wifi. I mean you could be, but there wouldn't be much point. When it says that you are connected both locally and the internet that means you have access to the local network of computers that are connected to your router, and the big broad world outside through your modem.
Your isp may or may not be able to tell if the ports on your computer are configured correctly. Your ports may allow inbound but prohibit outbound traffic or vice versa.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2012, 05:33:41 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 12, 2012, 12:56:32 PM
CC when you get home tonight check to see if your router has multiple ethernet ports (most do). If you have a free one you can use that without fear of disrupting your current connections. if you have no free one unplug one and use that. worst comes to worst only one tv will be down :lol:
Ok, the comments by you and GF have helped me understand what all these cables are finally. I have a phone line running to my modem and one cable of some sort (ethernet cable?) running from my modem to my router. There are no other ports on my modem. As you said there are a number of ports from my router and to answer BB's query of how TV is possible there is also a TV type cable running from my router into the wall which I assume is what is connecting my TVs in the rest of the house. There is an ethernet? cable running from my router to my computer - so that is already done and as I look at my connection info it says my computer is connected both "locally" which I assume means through the cable and "Internet" which I assume means wifi. There is another ethernet? cable running from the router to the wall. I am not sure what that is but I suspect it has something to do with the internet TV service.
Now that I understand the setup a bit better I took the ethernet cable that connected the modem to the router and connected the computer directly to the modem with it. Unfortunately I got the same error message. So I am not sure where to go from here.
edit: And my isp says all ports needed by the game are available and they are not sure what the problem could be.
Well, shit.
Also, woo knowledge was passed!
if you have cable coming out of your computer to your router that means you computer is connected by ethernet and not wifi so theregoes that theory. Since you have all the cables easily accessable try unplugging the ethenet cgoing from you modem to your router and pluggin it into the computer. Then load up SWTOR. if that workes then it's your router that's causing you problems. Just a quick spot check, you can replug into your router and everything will be fine.
Quote from: HVC on January 12, 2012, 06:39:36 PM
if you have cable coming out of your computer to your router that means you computer is connected by ethernet and not wifi so theregoes that theory. Since you have all the cables easily accessable try unplugging the ethenet cgoing from you modem to your router and pluggin it into the computer. Then load up SWTOR. if that workes then it's your router that's causing you problems. Just a quick spot check, you can replug into your router and everything will be fine.
will do.
Quote from: HVC on January 12, 2012, 06:39:36 PM
if you have cable coming out of your computer to your router that means you computer is connected by ethernet and not wifi so theregoes that theory. Since you have all the cables easily accessable try unplugging the ethenet cgoing from you modem to your router and pluggin it into the computer. Then load up SWTOR. if that workes then it's your router that's causing you problems. Just a quick spot check, you can replug into your router and everything will be fine.
no go. Still get the Server Not Responding error from the launcher.
Hmm, well that's the limit of my expertise, really. the last thing i can think of, assuming you haven't done it, is to turn off you firewall (both anti-virus and native windows) and turn your connection security settings to their lowest setting in you IE options. Remember to turn them all back to what they were after, unless you really like viruses :P
Tried that too. Thanks for trying to help :)
CS just sent me an email asking for another pingtrace log. So at least they are working on it.
This is going to sound obvious but have you tried a different computer?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 09:11:32 PM
This is going to sound obvious but have you tried a different computer?
Not everyone has multiple computers at home.
I mean - I do :blush: but not everyone does.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 09:11:32 PM
This is going to sound obvious but have you tried a different computer?
Not everyone has multiple computers at home.
I mean - I do :blush: but not everyone does.
True but CC got kids & a wife. I hope he doesn't let any of them near his gaming computer.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 09:11:32 PM
This is going to sound obvious but have you tried a different computer?
Yeah, same problem.
edit: one of the suggestions was to see if someone with another account could log on through my computer to see if it was an account problem or my computer.
So, BB want to fly down?
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2012, 10:22:35 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 09:11:32 PM
This is going to sound obvious but have you tried a different computer?
Yeah, same problem.
edit: one of the suggestions was to see if someone with another account could log on through my computer to see if it was an account problem or my computer.
So, BB want to fly down?
Yes, but it isn't happening anytime soon.
I'll email you my account info after court (leaving right away) so you can try that.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2012, 10:22:35 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2012, 09:11:32 PM
This is going to sound obvious but have you tried a different computer?
Yeah, same problem.
edit: one of the suggestions was to see if someone with another account could log on through my computer to see if it was an account problem or my computer.
So, BB want to fly down?
Hmm, so a different computer at your house but on the same internet connection is having the same problem. That is good information, very good.
Am I correct in thinking you are getting this error *before* you enter your account information, or after?
Quote from: Berkut on January 13, 2012, 10:32:31 AM
Am I correct in thinking you are getting this error *before* you enter your account information, or after?
I get it after. The launcher loads correctly, I enter my account name and password, hit the log in button, then after a bit of a pause the Server Not Responding message pops up on the top of the launcher.
edit: Also, I tried to run the game at work and get the same error, but that could simply be a separate set of problems with my work network.
Wasn't that the symptom of the Timezone issue they had/have?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2012, 10:55:20 AM
Wasn't that the symptom of the Timezone issue they had/have?
Yep,
but I have the correct time zone on the forum, the correct time and date on my computer and bios and I have changed my password and security questions (which supposedly helps sync everything).
You mean all these settings match the server's timezone?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2012, 11:46:13 AM
You mean all these settings match the server's timezone?
I am not sure what you mean by the "server's timezone". CS says that the timezone set on your forum options on the swtor.com site must match your correct local time.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2012, 11:57:09 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2012, 11:46:13 AM
You mean all these settings match the server's timezone?
I am not sure what you mean by the "server's timezone". CS says that the timezone set on your forum options on the swtor.com site must match your correct local time.
Oh. I thought it had to match the game server you were connecting to.
OK, I sent CC my account name and password. :o
You know what's going to happen now, don't you?
CC's account will continue on not working, while BB's account will not work at CC's but will also stop fucntionning for BB himself.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2012, 12:37:33 PM
You know what's going to happen now, don't you?
CC's account will continue on not working, while BB's account will not work at CC's but will also stop fucntionning for BB himself.
:weep:
Oh what have I done?
Well, that narrows it down. Your account info worked BB, I didnt get the server error and it went right to one of the security questions. Many thanks!!!!! Now I can go back to CS with evidence it isnt me...
You should probably change your password BB.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2012, 12:56:10 PM
Well, that narrows it down. Your account info worked BB, I didnt get the server error and it went right to one of the security questions. Many thanks!!!!! Now I can go back to CS with evidence it isnt me...
You should probably change your password BB.
No offence, but duh.
Glad I could help.
You might want to try it from home though, since I assume you're just trying it from work at the moment.
Quote from: Barrister on January 13, 2012, 12:58:22 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2012, 12:56:10 PM
Well, that narrows it down. Your account info worked BB, I didnt get the server error and it went right to one of the security questions. Many thanks!!!!! Now I can go back to CS with evidence it isnt me...
You should probably change your password BB.
No offence, but duh.
Glad I could help.
You might want to try it from home though, since I assume you're just trying it from work at the moment.
I am at home. :ph34r:
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2012, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 13, 2012, 12:58:22 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2012, 12:56:10 PM
Well, that narrows it down. Your account info worked BB, I didnt get the server error and it went right to one of the security questions. Many thanks!!!!! Now I can go back to CS with evidence it isnt me...
You should probably change your password BB.
No offence, but duh.
Glad I could help.
You might want to try it from home though, since I assume you're just trying it from work at the moment.
I am at home. :ph34r:
:shifty:
the problem is definitely with them. CS is currently going through their account systems to see what is wrong. It may be that they just ask me to generate a new account rather then try to fix this one although it has identified an error in their system for them to noodle through.
See, languish is good for something afterall :lol:
Quote from: HVC on January 13, 2012, 01:34:27 PM
See, languish is good for something afterall :lol:
:D
The problem seems to be that I had an & symbol in my account name which the billing system no longer recognized as valid after the first maintenance cycle. To fix it they changed my account name - but it will take until the next server update overnight for the new name to be recognized. But I should have access tomorrow.
Thanks very much everyone for your help.
Well CC let me just say you find the game amazingly fun and a never ending delight after all the crap you just went through.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2012, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 13, 2012, 01:34:27 PM
See, languish is good for something afterall :lol:
:D
The problem seems to be that I had an & symbol in my account name which the billing system no longer recognized as valid after the first maintenance cycle. To fix it they changed my account name - but it will take until the next server update overnight for the new name to be recognized. But I should have access tomorrow.
Thanks very much everyone for your help.
And it took them this long to figure that out? :frusty:
Quote from: Barrister on January 13, 2012, 01:50:25 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2012, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 13, 2012, 01:34:27 PM
See, languish is good for something afterall :lol:
:D
The problem seems to be that I had an & symbol in my account name which the billing system no longer recognized as valid after the first maintenance cycle. To fix it they changed my account name - but it will take until the next server update overnight for the new name to be recognized. But I should have access tomorrow.
Thanks very much everyone for your help.
And it took them this long to figure that out? :frusty:
Yeah, the guy today was very apologetic. He frankly stated their system should never had allowed me to register an account name the system was not designed to later recognize. But it is a bit of a one off kind of problem so I dont put too much blame on CS.
Will the missed gametime at least be credited to your account?
Quote from: Syt on January 13, 2012, 02:12:20 PM
Will the missed gametime at least be credited to your account?
Not sure.
Right now, there's a tester outthere very fucking pissed off yelling I told you so! 5 months ago!
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2012, 02:32:31 PM
Right now, there's a tester outthere very fucking pissed off yelling I told you so! 5 months ago!
:huh:
Quote from: Barrister on January 13, 2012, 02:35:06 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2012, 02:32:31 PM
Right now, there's a tester outthere very fucking pissed off yelling I told you so! 5 months ago!
:huh:
:lol:
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2012, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 13, 2012, 01:34:27 PM
See, languish is good for something afterall :lol:
:D
The problem seems to be that I had an & symbol in my account name which the billing system no longer recognized as valid after the first maintenance cycle. To fix it they changed my account name - but it will take until the next server update overnight for the new name to be recognized. But I should have access tomorrow.
Thanks very much everyone for your help.
That is most excellent.
CC, you going to play with us on Kaas CIty, now that you have it straightened out?
I do believe his guy is in guild as he had chance to play for a day or two before this all went kaplooey
Quote from: Berkut on January 13, 2012, 03:08:23 PM
CC, you going to play with us on Kaas CIty, now that you have it straightened out?
Yes, although it has been so long I forget my Toons name.
My smuggler's fucking bleeding heart companions can't keep up. I gotta be me.
OMG, its downloading!!!
I wish I could justify the expense. But it's embarrassingly expensive.
I'm downloading this fucker.
Whatever I'm going to do, it's going to be Sith. Fuck the Alliance. Stupid fucking gnomes and elves.
The Fall of the Padawan is a really excellent story and questline. Maybe the most interesting I've ever seen in an MMO.
Inquisitoring is fun.
Quote from: Berkut on January 15, 2012, 03:31:37 AM
The Fall of the Padawan is a really excellent story and questline. Maybe the most interesting I've ever seen in an MMO.
Yep, that was extremely cool. There's actually a light side and dark side outcome for that which carries over.
I like how the game sometimes just has a bit of fun with itself.
You'll notice how the Imperials all have British accents. On Taris you have an Imperial questgiver who speaks with American accent. There's a dialogue option where you tell her, "What's with your accent? You're no Imperial!"
All the lolkiddies are sith. You should be an Agent. They have a fantastic storyline, too.
And so far I've met Imperials with Irish, Scottish, and Chinese accents. But then again, it's the British Empire suppressing those American Republic/rebel scum. :P
Quote from: Solmyr on January 15, 2012, 07:11:32 AM
All the lolkiddies are sith. You should be an Agent. They have a fantastic storyline, too.
I was actually going to ramp up an Agent next, as I figured the other 3 classes would be uberlolkiddied more.
I refuse to play Jedi, though. Fuck that touchy-feely Buddhism.
You can get laid a lot as a Sith inquisitor in this game. I never really thought of Sith as having sex before... I guess I assumed their genitals were all shrivelled up or something. :)
Just when I think Quinn can't possibly become more insufferable, he does something that makes me both laugh and facepalm. He's like Arnold Rimmer, only competent and utterly unfunny.
I've loved the political and civil war quests for House Thul in Alderaan.
Quote from: Drakken on January 15, 2012, 10:28:51 AM
I've loved the political and civil war quests for House Thul in Alderaan.
You did? Alderaan has been my least favorite planet so far (visited Korriban, Dromund Kaas, Balmorra, Nar Shaddaa, Hutta, Tatooine, Taris). Probably because it reminded me of the starting regions of the dwarves in LotRO and WoW so much. I've liked Nar Shaddaa, Balmorra and Tatooine best so far.
Without giving you the spoiler: Talk about a fate worse than death for Darth Zash. :cthulu:
Quote from: Syt on January 15, 2012, 12:14:49 PM
You did? Alderaan has been my least favorite planet so far (visited Korriban, Dromund Kaas, Balmorra, Nar Shaddaa, Hutta, Tatooine, Taris). Probably because it reminded me of the starting regions of the dwarves in LotRO and WoW so much. I've liked Nar Shaddaa, Balmorra and Tatooine best so far.
I didn't find the planet particularly boring or anything, it's a living planet. I just loved the political intrigue and the Sith's role as the fixer.
Plus, you get to kill a usurper. A lots, lots, lots of Jedi. :menace:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 08:21:35 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 15, 2012, 07:11:32 AM
All the lolkiddies are sith. You should be an Agent. They have a fantastic storyline, too.
I was actually going to ramp up an Agent next, as I figured the other 3 classes would be uberlolkiddied more.
I refuse to play Jedi, though. Fuck that touchy-feely Buddhism.
Play as a trooper then. Me and my BFG just blow shit up all day. :cool:
And you guys do know that the Empire significantly outnumbers Republic players in-game. That being said I fully recommend CdM play the Inquisitor - he'd like it for all the same reasons I didn't.
Sith marauder is fun in a group but sucks on his own
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 08:21:35 AM
I refuse to play Jedi, though. Fuck that touchy-feely Buddhism.
You can be a dark jedi. I'm going to make my knight fully dark-side. :P
Quote from: Drakken on January 15, 2012, 01:22:35 PM
Without giving you the spoiler: Talk about a fate worse than death for Darth Zash. :cthulu:
But dude, I so want to bang her. My Inquisitor has sworn his love and allegiance to her.
Quote from: Barrister on January 15, 2012, 02:38:52 PM
And you guys do know that the Empire significantly outnumbers Republic players in-game.
Kinda figured that. But I'm on a PVP server; what are the digits then?
QuoteThat being said I fully recommend CdM play the Inquisitor - he'd like it for all the same reasons I didn't.
Oh, yeah.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 04:22:20 PM
But dude, I so want to bang her. My Inquisitor has sworn his love and allegiance to her.
Wait until she shows her true face.
Quote from: Drakken on January 15, 2012, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 04:22:20 PM
But dude, I so want to bang her. My Inquisitor has sworn his love and allegiance to her.
Wait until she shows her true face.
She's a dude?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 04:51:43 PM
Quote from: Drakken on January 15, 2012, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 04:22:20 PM
But dude, I so want to bang her. My Inquisitor has sworn his love and allegiance to her.
Wait until she shows her true face.
She's a dude?
Worse she is in denial... AKA Lady Gaga....
Quote from: Shade on January 15, 2012, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 04:51:43 PM
Quote from: Drakken on January 15, 2012, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 04:22:20 PM
But dude, I so want to bang her. My Inquisitor has sworn his love and allegiance to her.
Wait until she shows her true face.
She's a dude?
Worse she is in denial... AKA Lady Gaga....
Let's say she looks exactly like what Lady Gaga will look like in ten years from now.
In other news, dang now I am stuck with an fallen "apprentice" that says she will never leave her jedi ways. What a pathetic joke of an Apprentice. She'll be crafting a long, long time until I find another, better Apprentice that won't sob like a child when she force-choke someone.
So played a bit with each class. The story lines are great - if a bit dark. For example
/spoiler not sure I like the fact I was asked to off my mentor within the first few quests in the Warrior class/spoiler
If my old guild and you guys, with the exception of BB, werent all playing Empire I would probably give the Republic a go.
You are in a world of Sith, CC. ;)
There no Rule of Two in that period, and one NPC sums it best by quipping that it's usual expectation that when two Siths enter in a room and meet, only one exits it.
I'm trying to convince my wife to go in for this. She may like the companions enough to do it.
Is there anywhere in the SW mythos where there are force users who do subscribe to one of the two extremes of Sith and Jedi?
They are both basically idiotic, really.
BTW, how does Luke Skywalker ever get married anyway? Aren't Jedi supposed to be basically celibate, what with the no passion thing?
Quote from: Berkut on January 16, 2012, 07:04:48 PM
Is there anywhere in the SW mythos where there are force users who do subscribe to one of the two extremes of Sith and Jedi?
They are both basically idiotic, really.
BTW, how does Luke Skywalker ever get married anyway? Aren't Jedi supposed to be basically celibate, what with the no passion thing?
Just like the Shakers, they found out that shit don't propagate.
Yeah...remember the early, early days of WoW, when every 14 year old Timmay off his Ritalin rolled Alliance, and there wasn't enough Horde to go around?
Well, it's like that. Only worse.
Quote from: Berkut on January 16, 2012, 07:04:48 PM
BTW, how does Luke Skywalker ever get married anyway? Aren't Jedi supposed to be basically celibate, what with the no passion thing?
He is the only known living force user around, and is de facto a Jedi Master. So he gets to start anew and decide, without a Jedi Council to chastise him.
No one told him that Jedi were supposed to be celibate, only that Jedi must learn to control and restraint their feelings and intuition. I'm not even sure Luke knows the Jedi code, or that the fact that his mother being married to Anakin in secret and pregnant of him and Leia drove Anakin insanely greedy to the point of becoming Darth Vader for their sake. He only knows that Anakin was a great Jedi, got seduced by the Dark Side and became Darth Vader. You'd think Obi-Wan's force ghost, or even Anakin's, would be the first to tell him it's a bad idea, especially to marry a force user trained to the Dark Side by Sidious himself. But no one said that Luke and Mara Jade's love story was insanely passionate like Padmé and Anakin's was. Anakin's first priority was to make peace with Leia, because he had already made peace with Luke on Death Star II.
Then again, maybe he did tell off-record Luke's it was bad advice, but as the Sith are now believed to be extinct the threat of direct manipulation is gone. Luke was well passed puberty when he was trained, and wasn't trained to be a monk. He was trained to be the last hope of the Alliance, plus the only one who could face Vader and the Emperor and have a chance to live.
QuoteI'm not even sure Luke knows the Jedi code, or that the fact that his mother being married to Anakin in secret and pregnant of him and Leia drove Anakin insanely greedy to the point of becoming Darth Vader for their sake.
I would say that Anakin was well on the way towards the Dark Side before he married Padme, she was more the final straw than anything else.
Which is kind of silly, when you think about it. How did Yoda and Obi-wan not see pretty clearly what was happening? It was blindingly obvious that Anakin lacked anything like the tempermant necessary for the Jedi Order, and was pretty much a stereotype of what becomes Sith.
I guess maybe the Sith were gone so long at that point they didn't really understand the danger beyond the theoretical.
My theory is that for someone like Anakin, the strictures of the Jedi Order are basically so impossible that attempting to mold him into that makes his failure (and hence turn towards the Dark side) inevitable. A more nuanced view of emotion and less radically nutty ethical structure could actually be *better* at keeping someone like Anakin from turning to the dark.
That is my pet SW theory anyway - that the Jedi are just as bonkers as the Sith. In an effort to reject the radicalism of the Sith, they've become just as radical themselves, and with nearly as bad consequences.
Quote from: Drakken on January 16, 2012, 11:23:45 PM
You'd think Obi-Wan's force ghost, or even Anakin's, would be the first to tell him it's a bad idea, especially to marry a force user trained to the Dark Side by Sidious himself.
That's what happens with trying to retro-write bad screenplays along the way.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2012, 07:08:52 PM
Yeah...remember the early, early days of WoW, when every 14 year old Timmay off his Ritalin rolled Alliance, and there wasn't enough Horde to go around?
Well, it's like that. Only worse.
The problem is that the Sith quests seem
better. I have a Sith Sorcerer, and I started a Republic Commando, but I just don't care about the commando. The plot's a bit dull, and there's no personal edge to it.
I mean, I'm someone who is tempted to quit playing the Sith because of all the idiots who think they should be more "nuanced" and are "misunderstood," but the plot really is better.
Speaking of the dullness of the Republic Commando, are the Jedi classes' plots interesting?
I don't see how the trooper's quests are dull. :huh:
I mean - I guess it isn't personal - you're a soldier doing your duty, and the quests all revolve around that, not what your backstory is. But the quests seem pretty interesting to me.
I did Jedi Knight up to 10 and again, it didn't really capture me too much.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 16, 2012, 05:59:33 PM
If my old guild and you guys, with the exception of BB, werent all playing Empire I would probably give the Republic a go.
Give in to your love. Embrace the light side of the force. Together we can aid the galaxy.
Oh, and I finally got to Tatooine last night. So much Star Wars love on that planet. :cool:
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 12:41:20 AM
Which is kind of silly, when you think about it. How did Yoda and Obi-wan not see pretty clearly what was happening? It was blindingly obvious that Anakin lacked anything like the tempermant necessary for the Jedi Order, and was pretty much a stereotype of what becomes Sith.
They mention they feel like Anakin is bad news but they did what they did anyway. It was stupid and inexplicable but it is the SW prequels: they are not coherent or make sense.
Quote from: Valmy on January 17, 2012, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 12:41:20 AM
Which is kind of silly, when you think about it. How did Yoda and Obi-wan not see pretty clearly what was happening? It was blindingly obvious that Anakin lacked anything like the tempermant necessary for the Jedi Order, and was pretty much a stereotype of what becomes Sith.
They mention they feel like Anakin is bad news but they did what they did anyway. It was stupid and inexplicable but it is the SW prequels: they are not coherent or make sense.
I dunno, Obiwan had this entire emotional "ZOMG HOW CAN THIS BE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ONE!" moment, like it was totally shocking to him that this could happen.
But your right, it is the SW prequels, were any kind of even remotely subtle character development was to be avoided.
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 09:48:42 AM
Oh, and I finally got to Tatooine last night. So much Star Wars love on that planet. :cool:
I was looking for ya to no avail.
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2012, 10:18:47 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 09:48:42 AM
Oh, and I finally got to Tatooine last night. So much Star Wars love on that planet. :cool:
I was looking for ya to no avail.
I wound up on a different server from everyone. Helm of Graush.
Plus last night was a curling night, only played maybe 45 minutes or so.
Quote from: Valmy on January 17, 2012, 09:52:42 AM
They mention they feel like Anakin is bad news but they did what they did anyway. It was stupid and inexplicable but it is the SW prequels: they are not coherent or make sense.
They felt that Anakin was too old and had seen too much of life living like a kid, and so they were reticent. They relented because Qui-Gon would have trained the kid whether they liked it or not. Obi-Wan later insisted because it's what his master would have wanted. In other words, they accepted it as a fait accompli and they were stuck with an inconvenient McGuffin : the prophecy; it was undeniable that the boy was a shitload of midichlorians sitting in front of them.
Anakin's problem is that he had serious attachment issues and trouble letting things and people go.
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2012, 10:18:47 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 09:48:42 AM
Oh, and I finally got to Tatooine last night. So much Star Wars love on that planet. :cool:
I was looking for ya to no avail.
I wound up on a different server from everyone. Helm of Graush.
Plus last night was a curling night, only played maybe 45 minutes or so.
:mellow:
I know what server you are on.
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 12:41:20 AM
QuoteI'm not even sure Luke knows the Jedi code, or that the fact that his mother being married to Anakin in secret and pregnant of him and Leia drove Anakin insanely greedy to the point of becoming Darth Vader for their sake.
I would say that Anakin was well on the way towards the Dark Side before he married Padme, she was more the final straw than anything else.
Which is kind of silly, when you think about it. How did Yoda and Obi-wan not see pretty clearly what was happening? It was blindingly obvious that Anakin lacked anything like the tempermant necessary for the Jedi Order, and was pretty much a stereotype of what becomes Sith.
I guess maybe the Sith were gone so long at that point they didn't really understand the danger beyond the theoretical.
My theory is that for someone like Anakin, the strictures of the Jedi Order are basically so impossible that attempting to mold him into that makes his failure (and hence turn towards the Dark side) inevitable. A more nuanced view of emotion and less radically nutty ethical structure could actually be *better* at keeping someone like Anakin from turning to the dark.
That is my pet SW theory anyway - that the Jedi are just as bonkers as the Sith. In an effort to reject the radicalism of the Sith, they've become just as radical themselves, and with nearly as bad consequences.
They knew very well what Sith Lords were. It's not like it was the first time in eons, and Yoda was supposedly 900 years old. They had the bad luck to fall on a Sith Lord who was a chessmaster of deception and manipulation.
What sank Anakin well into the Dark Side was Padmé being pregnant and visions of her dying in childbirth,
and being left alone dealing about it. It's from that moment that he started to seek ways to selfishly maintain life through the use of the Force, which is something only the Dark Side can do. The whole issue of slaughtering Tusken Raiders to avenge his mother let him get a glimpse of the Dark Side (just like Luke decapitating Darth Vader in the Dagobah cave, or choking guards in Jabba the Hutt's compound), yet without fully embracing it. He was not in control of his actions at that moment. Anakin certainly didn't like it afterwards, he failed ashamed, and remained in control for the rest of the movie. Even decapitating Dooku left a bad taste in his mouth, and he did it because Palpatine (the Chancellor, not the Sith Lord) ordered him to do it.
However, Lucas dropped the ball heavy on that one, because Yoda had sensed his immense pain on Tatooine, and even Qui-Gon's etheral ghost voice tried to bring Anakin to senses from murdering the whole village. Wouldn't the first thing he would have done is take him aside in private and debrief him, and actively guide him to control himself better? Clearly Obi-Wan wasn't up to that particular job. It's not like it was a secret that Anakin had a huge problem of letting things and people he cared about go.
Hell, even after he started to have nightmares again the first thing he did was to seek Yoda's help. Yoda wouldn't have a problem sensing very well that Anakin loved Padmé, that they were in a relationship, and she was the one he was concerned about. Why didn't he simply stated "Anakin, for your wife care a lot do you. To control your fear of losing her, let me help you cope with." Ta-dam, problem solved : Compassion, relief from a burdensome secret, acceptance, and the feeling that a Jedi now listens to him. Instead, he says that he shouldn't be missing or mourning people who die and become one with the Force, basically advising Anakin to "simply stop caring". That's not advice, and not even tough love. It's asking Anakin to become emotionless and throwing him back in the streets.
However, I feel by that point, Anakin was widely seen among the Jedi Council as a nuisance and a pawn to be used. Mace Windu clearly didn't like the guy.
Compare with how Yoda and Obi-Wan took care of Luke when he was failing, being petulant, or asking questions. Nowhere did they snark back at Luke to stop being himself, they both sat down and took the time it took to guide him. Prolly they took the twenty years of exile to sit down and ponder on how badly incompetent and callous they had been on Anakin, and decided to do different with Luke even though he showed every single bit of an attitude similar than Anakin. Luke in ANH and TESB is basically a more laid-back version of Anakin, similar even with the whining and impulse control issues. But this time, Yoda and Obi-Wan actually trained him personally with a training tailored for him, and it showed results.
My pet theory is that Jedi were so busy fixing the leaking problems of the Republic that they missed the basics of their existence : helping people in need and help them selflessly, especially when the one having problems is one who can be a genocidal psychopath if he becomes selfish, angry, greedy, and rejected. I felt that the Jedi, and especially Yoda, totally left Anakin down in emotional support and compassion (ironic when one of the first tenant of the Jedi Code is compassion for others), when they could have seen what his problem was and treat him personally without going the whole Mace Windu "I don't trust you" angle.
And so, Anakin went for the only ones who would actually listen to what he has to say : Padmé and Palpatine, and the vicious circle began.
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2012, 10:37:28 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2012, 10:18:47 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 09:48:42 AM
Oh, and I finally got to Tatooine last night. So much Star Wars love on that planet. :cool:
I was looking for ya to no avail.
I wound up on a different server from everyone. Helm of Graush.
Plus last night was a curling night, only played maybe 45 minutes or so.
:mellow:
I know what server you are on.
Just double-checking.
If you're on again by all means give me a ring. Altaira the trooper.
BY the way, anyone have any good suggestinos for raising a bit of cash? Buying my speeder has left me short of coin to train a few abilities, not to mention my crafting has been languishing because I can't afford to level it either.
I have been looking for ya. But sadly if you aren't on I can't add as friend as get notification that altaira doesn't exist.
And just keep questing and selling gear you find. I went back up like 20k credits in by time I hit next lvl after buying speeder skill.
What is your toon's name, so I can keep an eye out for you?
space quests build cash fast. you can use your toons to funnel more as space are one a day things (though they still give some cash if you do them outside of the quest)
I have started a Jedi Consulor on BB's server named Cicero. I like it a lot better than the darkness of Sithworld. Berk, are you referring to the quest where you break up the love birds as the starting point of the discussion of Jedi being celibate?
IIRC the discussion in the quest dialogue was about separating them during their training. I thought it was a good reference to what would eventually happen to Anniken during his training.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 17, 2012, 12:23:37 PM
I have started a Jedi Consulor on BB's server named Cicero. I like it a lot better than the darkness of Sithworld. Berk, are you referring to the quest where you break up the love birds as the starting point of the discussion of Jedi being celibate?
IIRC the discussion in the quest dialogue was about separating them during their training. I thought it was a good reference to what would eventually happen to Anniken during his training.
I'm pretty sure from that quest that Jedi are supposed to be celibate at all times, not just as a padawan.
I have a jedi alt who is trying to go light side, but thinks jedi should be able to folow their hearts. I'm not sure how that'll turn out for me though. The dialogue options for that quest in particular were tough - no I don't want your bribe, no I didn't cover up for you so you could break up on your own. You two - just go and be happy.
Yeah, I guess it is inevitable, but some of the dark/light quest options are really stupid.
I had one where I was on a quest to stop some Imperial double agent, and it comes down to a choice of
1. Killing him as instructed, and to protect the Empire from this traitor (light result), and
2. Letting him live in return for a giant pile of cash (dark result).
Uhhh, say what?
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 17, 2012, 12:23:37 PM
I have started a Jedi Consulor on BB's server named Cicero. I like it a lot better than the darkness of Sithworld. Berk, are you referring to the quest where you break up the love birds as the starting point of the discussion of Jedi being celibate?
Yeah, as a starting point at least it got me wondering. I certainly don't recall any Jedi spouses either.
I actually rather like the idea that Jedi is not really so much a "good guy" Force user, as much as they are a particular ethical/philosophical means of dealing with the perceived problem of how to control the danger of force users being such powerful creatures. The Sith, of course, simply reject the idea that they should be controlled at all, and revel in the power that the Force gives them, and are perfectly happy using that power for their own ends.
The Jedi seem to be not so much driven by any particular *need* to be ascetic because that is what is demanded by being a Force user, but rather the preception that that is what is demanded by being a force user who is NOT Sith. In other words, a Jedi (as defined by the Jedi Order) is an anti-Sith more than they are a "good" Force user.
So why not a Force user who neither embraces their own ego, but at the same time does not accept that claim that only through self denial can the force be safely wielded?
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 12:45:50 PM
So why not a Force user who neither embraces their own ego, but at the same time does not accept that claim that only through self denial can the force be safely wielded?
Isn't this basically the path Revan took, and thus the basis of the Cult of Revan?
Quote from: Drakken on January 17, 2012, 12:53:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 12:45:50 PM
So why not a Force user who neither embraces their own ego, but at the same time does not accept that claim that only through self denial can the force be safely wielded?
Isn't this basically the path Revan took, and thus the basis of the Cult of Revan?
I think so...but I don't know anything about Revan beyond the intro quest line is SWOL!
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 12:39:23 PM
Yeah, I guess it is inevitable, but some of the dark/light quest options are really stupid.
I had one where I was on a quest to stop some Imperial double agent, and it comes down to a choice of
1. Killing him as instructed, and to protect the Empire from this traitor (light result), and
2. Letting him live in return for a giant pile of cash (dark result).
Uhhh, say what?
I had similar frustration with the operative quest where I was tasked with going to blow up some eels that were a delicacy so that the quest giver could trade for the spice that was going to go to paying for eels. When I get there I find that the eel trader is really an imperial operative who is obtaining the spice for the benefit of the Empire.
I was trying to play my toon as lawful evil with a first allegiance to the emperor and willing to do anything to acheive the goals of the empire. I thought the perfect dark side solution to this problem was to tell the eel dealer to get on with his business and go back and kill the guy that hired me. But that was not an option. Instead I had to choose between not blowing up the eels - light side and killing the imperial agent - dark side and blowing up the eels.
I am supposed to be an imperial agent right?
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 01:07:22 PM
I think so...but I don't know anything about Revan beyond the intro quest line is SWOL!
The cult he's left is there in SWTOR as well, on Drumond Kass, at least on the Sith side.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 17, 2012, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 12:39:23 PM
Yeah, I guess it is inevitable, but some of the dark/light quest options are really stupid.
I had one where I was on a quest to stop some Imperial double agent, and it comes down to a choice of
1. Killing him as instructed, and to protect the Empire from this traitor (light result), and
2. Letting him live in return for a giant pile of cash (dark result).
Uhhh, say what?
I had similar frustration with the operative quest where I was tasked with going to blow up some eels that were a delicacy so that the quest giver could trade for the spice that was going to go to paying for eels. When I get there I find that the eel trader is really an imperial operative who is obtaining the spice for the benefit of the Empire.
I was trying to play my toon as lawful evil with a first allegiance to the emperor and willing to do anything to acheive the goals of the empire. I thought the perfect dark side solution to this problem was to tell the eel dealer to get on with his business and go back and kill the guy that hired me. But that was not an option. Instead I had to choose between not blowing up the eels - light side and killing the imperial agent - dark side and blowing up the eels.
I am supposed to be an imperial agent right?
There are a few times when it seems like there should be more options. I had a trooper quest where you discover some Imperial has committed "war crimes", but you need information from him. Somehow the only options were to let him go, or to kill him on the spot. Umm... can I not arrest him instead?
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 17, 2012, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 12:39:23 PM
Yeah, I guess it is inevitable, but some of the dark/light quest options are really stupid.
I had one where I was on a quest to stop some Imperial double agent, and it comes down to a choice of
1. Killing him as instructed, and to protect the Empire from this traitor (light result), and
2. Letting him live in return for a giant pile of cash (dark result).
Uhhh, say what?
I had similar frustration with the operative quest where I was tasked with going to blow up some eels that were a delicacy so that the quest giver could trade for the spice that was going to go to paying for eels. When I get there I find that the eel trader is really an imperial operative who is obtaining the spice for the benefit of the Empire.
I was trying to play my toon as lawful evil with a first allegiance to the emperor and willing to do anything to acheive the goals of the empire. I thought the perfect dark side solution to this problem was to tell the eel dealer to get on with his business and go back and kill the guy that hired me. But that was not an option. Instead I had to choose between not blowing up the eels - light side and killing the imperial agent - dark side and blowing up the eels.
I am supposed to be an imperial agent right?
I've found that being a loyal, practical, and efficient agent steers you towards the light side quite a lot.
Quote from: Solmyr on January 17, 2012, 02:34:49 PM
I've found that being a loyal, practical, and efficient agent steers you towards the light side quite a lot.
That was the conclusion I was coming to. When I pick the sith side up again I will probably start another agent and play through light side options (I really like the game mechanics of that class) - although I take it my first companion will have o affection for me if I do that.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 17, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 17, 2012, 02:34:49 PM
I've found that being a loyal, practical, and efficient agent steers you towards the light side quite a lot.
That was the conclusion I was coming to. When I pick the sith side up again I will probably start another agent and play through light side options (I really like the game mechanics of that class) - although I take it my first companion will have o affection for me if I do that.
Yeah - my conclusion for empire was that dark side equalled being a murderous psycopath, while light side alternated between being coldly efficient, and having some level of sympathy.
If you like the mechanics of the agent, give a smuggler a try. Same mechanics, it's still republic but you have way more latitude in your responses.
Pfft I am trying to be a cold murderous bastard and still stuck as a "grey" sith.
Can't get my Dark side score high enough because of some of these silly choices.
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 02:43:44 PM
Yeah - my conclusion for empire was that dark side equalled being a murderous psycopath,
For the warrior at least it gets better the higher up you get.
The only thing that annoyed me is that my character is turning pink so i turned off the dark side effecting your appearance thing.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 17, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 17, 2012, 02:34:49 PM
I've found that being a loyal, practical, and efficient agent steers you towards the light side quite a lot.
That was the conclusion I was coming to. When I pick the sith side up again I will probably start another agent and play through light side options (I really like the game mechanics of that class) - although I take it my first companion will have o affection for me if I do that.
Not really, your first companion is more of a rebel without a clue type than any kind of actually evil person. Kind of a weirdo anarchist.
My agent has always been light side. But it is easy to move from one to the other, and it doesn't matter enough to warrant starting over.
Beebs, how far along are you anyway? Is there some reason you don't just move to Kaas City, even if it is on the republic side? I was going to make a trooper, but don't want to play on another server, since legacy stuff appears like it is going to be cross faction.
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 17, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 17, 2012, 02:34:49 PM
I've found that being a loyal, practical, and efficient agent steers you towards the light side quite a lot.
That was the conclusion I was coming to. When I pick the sith side up again I will probably start another agent and play through light side options (I really like the game mechanics of that class) - although I take it my first companion will have o affection for me if I do that.
Not really, your first companion is more of a rebel without a clue type than any kind of actually evil person. Kind of a weirdo anarchist.
My agent has always been light side. But it is easy to move from one to the other, and it doesn't matter enough to warrant starting over.
Beebs, how far along are you anyway? Is there some reason you don't just move to Kaas City, even if it is on the republic side? I was going to make a trooper, but don't want to play on another server, since legacy stuff appears like it is going to be cross faction.
I'm level 26, and it took me a month to get to this point. Plus if you guys are all playing imperials I don't see any big advantage to me playing all by my lonesome with the republic.
Yeah, legacy stuff is cross-faction, but so far all it includes is your legacy name.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 17, 2012, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 17, 2012, 02:34:49 PM
I've found that being a loyal, practical, and efficient agent steers you towards the light side quite a lot.
That was the conclusion I was coming to. When I pick the sith side up again I will probably start another agent and play through light side options (I really like the game mechanics of that class) - although I take it my first companion will have o affection for me if I do that.
Kaliyo does actually prefer light side choices sometimes, for example killing Watcher X at the end of Nar Shaddaa. She's not even all-dark usually, she just likes snarky responses.
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 02:58:20 PM
My agent has always been light side. But it is easy to move from one to the other, and it doesn't matter enough to warrant starting over.
Good advice.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 17, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2012, 02:58:20 PM
My agent has always been light side. But it is easy to move from one to the other, and it doesn't matter enough to warrant starting over.
Good advice.
Your final dark side / light side level doesn't matter, and can be changed. But the conversations do play out quite differently depending on which option you pick - and you can't go back and see the other options. I've noticed that with my jedi knight alt - I levelled to 10 in beta and went 100% light side, but now in live I've taken some dark side options which really changed things.
I don't know that I'd recommend going back and levelling two (or more) of every character, but if you choose to do so you will see some different content.
Or you could watch some youtube.
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 09:48:07 AM
Give in to your love. Embrace the light side of the force. Together we can aid the galaxy.
Now see, it's bullshit like that why I prefer playing Sith.
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
What is your toon's name, so I can keep an eye out for you?
*cough*
Kat, I should be online for probably a couple hours tonight (6:30 to 8:30 your time). Look for Altaira, or alternatively, my jedi alt Kaelina (wish I'd picked a different name) or my smuggler Komo.
The Sith Warrior can be such a bastard. Playing a Sith Pureblood you can be a misogynistic space racist who murders people for fun and constantly electrocutes and bitchslaps his alien slave.
Imperiously admonishing a female soldier ("Go do it yourself, you useless woman.") caught me totally off-guard. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 17, 2012, 06:19:12 PM
Now see, it's bullshit like that why I prefer playing Sith.
Meh you preferred playing a Night Elf at first as well. You will learn. Embrace your anger and your hatred against emo-teens and strike them down and come over to the Republic side.
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 10:32:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
What is your toon's name, so I can keep an eye out for you?
*cough*
Kat, I should be online for probably a couple hours tonight (6:30 to 8:30 your time). Look for Altaira, or alternatively, my jedi alt Kaelina (wish I'd picked a different name) or my smuggler Komo.
Kat was on, I jumped on my smuggler who was at virtually the same point as his trooper, so we did some Ord Mantell quests together. Fun times. :)
Quote from: Valmy on January 18, 2012, 08:42:10 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 17, 2012, 06:19:12 PM
Now see, it's bullshit like that why I prefer playing Sith.
Meh you preferred playing a Night Elf at first as well. You will learn. Embrace your anger and your hatred against emo-teens and strike them down and come over to the Republic side.
This is probably the number one reason for playing Republic. It is the equivalent of playing Horde when WoW first came out.
Quote from: Barrister on January 18, 2012, 09:35:09 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 10:32:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
What is your toon's name, so I can keep an eye out for you?
*cough*
Kat, I should be online for probably a couple hours tonight (6:30 to 8:30 your time). Look for Altaira, or alternatively, my jedi alt Kaelina (wish I'd picked a different name) or my smuggler Komo.
Kat was on, I jumped on my smuggler who was at virtually the same point as his trooper, so we did some Ord Mantell quests together. Fun times. :)
I think I'm going for a record on how many times I can quote myself...
The only problem was that the content on the starter worlds is pretty easy to begin with, and when you have two players it becomes laughably easy. Playing a smuggler, half the time I would jump into cover and Kat would have killed the first mob already. Half the time I didn't even bother and just used by base attack.
If you're the kind of person who enjoys watching forum trainwrecks, check out the SWTOR forums.
Apparently today's patch made some kind of change to the open world PvP planet of Ilum. Suddenly the imperials are spawn camping the republic starting area which allows them to insta-kill any republic who shows up, and worse means Republic can't even zone out as they'll die before their hearthstone (or w/e it's called) can go off. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TL0kDP_Cexo#t=9s
Okay, that's funny. :lol:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 18, 2012, 04:21:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TL0kDP_Cexo#t=9s
Okay, that's funny. :lol:
WAD
Hell, I don't know what valor points are for. I guess if they just stop going there it would end, right? The Empire conquered the planet. It's a war.
This has to go on that list of the biggest dick moments of online gaming... haha :lmfao:
Quote from: Berkut on January 18, 2012, 04:25:03 PM
WAD
When I went to PAX East last year, Bioware at its event asked, "Who wants to be Jedi?" "Ehh...." "And who wants to be Sith?"
The woman speaking was moderately unhappy at the deafening roar which greeted her.
Quote from: Faeelin on January 19, 2012, 08:48:56 AM
When I went to PAX East last year, Bioware at its event asked, "Who wants to be Jedi?" "Ehh...." "And who wants to be Sith?"
The woman speaking was moderately unhappy at the deafening roar which greeted her.
I never cease to be amazed when they are surprised by this considering it has happened every. single. time.
WoW managed to recognize the problem and correct it. I do not see any obvious solution to Bioware's issue here though.
Fuckers do server maintenance right in the prime European playtime. :ultra:
Quote from: Solmyr on January 19, 2012, 11:24:59 AM
Fuckers do server maintenance right in the prime European playtime. :ultra:
Well they had to crank out an emergency patch to fix Ilum.
Great. Couldn't play Mon/Tue due to long hours, finally got on for a few hours yesterday, and today they're down? during my playtime? Fuck you very much.
Quote from: Barrister on January 19, 2012, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 19, 2012, 11:24:59 AM
Fuckers do server maintenance right in the prime European playtime. :ultra:
Well they had to crank out an emergency patch to fix Ilum.
No they didn't. It wasn't broken. :P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 19, 2012, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 19, 2012, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 19, 2012, 11:24:59 AM
Fuckers do server maintenance right in the prime European playtime. :ultra:
Well they had to crank out an emergency patch to fix Ilum.
No they didn't. It wasn't broken. :P
Well BW said that it was. :contract:
I have played my Sage to lvl 12 now - the same level I had played my Sorcerer. I had a lot fewer of the "Oh man I dont want to pick that option" moments with my Sage. I assume that trend would continue if I played both to 50.
Although, I wonder what playing a light side Sith Sorcerer would be like - somehow that is hard to imagine.
So I think I am going to stick with the Republic for the time being. My hope is that more folks will want to come over to the Republic eventually.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 19, 2012, 02:59:06 PM
I have played my Sage to lvl 12 now - the same level I had played my Sorcerer. I had a lot fewer of the "Oh man I dont want to pick that option" moments with my Sage. I assume that trend would continue if I played both to 50.
Although, I wonder what playing a light side Sith Sorcerer would be like - somehow that is hard to imagine.
So I think I am going to stick with the Republic for the time being. My hope is that more folks will want to come over to the Republic eventually.
My Sith Inquisitor from beta always went with the light side option - basically it involved not being needlessly cruel, or sparing people when it was in your interest to do so. It by no stretch meant you were a nice person.
So, this working picking up? How much is it per month; $15? How many months do you get when you buy the game itself?
Quote from: Barrister on January 19, 2012, 03:33:05 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 19, 2012, 02:59:06 PM
I have played my Sage to lvl 12 now - the same level I had played my Sorcerer. I had a lot fewer of the "Oh man I dont want to pick that option" moments with my Sage. I assume that trend would continue if I played both to 50.
Although, I wonder what playing a light side Sith Sorcerer would be like - somehow that is hard to imagine.
So I think I am going to stick with the Republic for the time being. My hope is that more folks will want to come over to the Republic eventually.
My Sith Inquisitor from beta always went with the light side option - basically it involved not being needlessly cruel, or sparing people when it was in your interest to do so. It by no stretch meant you were a nice person.
I don't agree at all with that characterization. It is like listening to a pro-life advocate describe what motivates pro-choicers!
I play my Sith Warrior as a proto-typical Sith - he is going to kill people not because he is needlessly cruel, but because in his view, they are no longer useful to him and allowing them to live after they have identified themselves as an enemy is dangerous. *He* would certainly strike back at anyone who let him live when they had power over him, so he assumes everyone else operates in the same manner. So when he gets to the end of a quest, and the option is "Let the traitor/enemy/whoever live" or "kill them", the choice is generally pretty obvious - kill them, because otherwise they may be a threat later.
It is most certainly selfish, cruel, and thoroughly evil. But it is not needless at all.
Quote from: Kleves on January 19, 2012, 03:42:17 PM
So, this working picking up? How much is it per month; $15? How many months do you get when you buy the game itself?
Yes
Yes unless you pay for three or six month increments.
one free month.
The space combat is on rails, though? :(
Quote from: Kleves on January 19, 2012, 05:14:21 PM
The space combat is on rails, though? :(
All the combat is on rails. It's an MMO.
Quote from: Kleves on January 19, 2012, 05:14:21 PM
The space combat is on rails, though? :(
Yes.
If it helps, space combat is fun for what it is. It's a mini-game within the overall MMO. So once in a while, for a change of pace, I go to space combat. But it is not an integral part of the game.
Quote from: Barrister on January 19, 2012, 05:25:25 PM
Yes.
If it helps, space combat is fun for what it is. It's a mini-game within the overall MMO. So once in a while, for a change of pace, I go to space combat. But it is not an integral part of the game.
It's a good way to blow five minutes while you're waiting for your gear to craft.
it's also a quick leveler (at least in the early levels), and makes some cash.
Bought myself a torture interrogation droid. :menace:
Not sure what the use of this as a pet, though.
Anyone who is playing on Helm of Graush:
type /cj languish to join a languish channel and see if anybody else is on.
Quote from: katmai on January 19, 2012, 03:45:10 PM
Yes unless you pay for three or six month increments.
Is it any cheaper to do so?
So today I've received an email from TOR saying my PayPal account couldn't be billed, so I'm without a subscription. Which is funny, because I was making payments with the same account this past week. I checked my CC details on PayPal and sub details - nope, checked out fine.
I tried to resub using PayPal - "An error has occured, please try again later."
So I try using my CC directly - "An error has occured, please try again later."
Looking at the forums it seems I'm not the only one. The general advice is to call the customer service - which I won't do, because I don't fancy making foreign calls from my cell phone. General consensus on the boards is that PayPal seems to be having issues, that CSR can't help and there's one hint from a CSR that you mght have to wait 48 hours before resubbing. :rolleyes:
I've filed a mail with the customer service, but I don't expect any useful response.
My God, PUGing with a bunch of Light Siders is like being trapped with Europeans playing German games all night. What a bunch of weenies.
Of course I've received noe reply to my ticket. So I 've logged another one. :P
QuoteGood morning,
this is my second attempt to get support (last time yesterday around 10am CET). I would like to setup my subscription for TOR, but my CC and PayPal get rejected: "An error has occurred while trying to process your request. Please, try again later. "
I know you prefer people to use the phone hotlines, but I'm in Austria, and my cell phone rates to UK are rather high. Also, I'm not ready to set up a VoIP system/subscription only to work out a way to give you my money.
I've tried subbing with both PayPal and CC (MasterCard) to no avail. Both paymrnt methods work fine this weekend on other websites.
I was very much looking forward to spend my weekend playing this game (which I enjoy very much) with my guild mates, but I guess I will have to spend my money elsewhere until there's a way for me to subscribe to the game again.
Thank you for taking the time to look into this.
In short: love the game - but very disappointed with the technical hoops I'm excpected to jump through to make you take my money.
Best regards
Judging by the forums, the average time to solve something over the phone is about an hour, with 45 minutes of it spent on hold. I would post on the forums, but without active subscription you can't. :P
Well, I ended up buying a game time card online. But really, this shouldn't be necessary.
OK, this game is pretty fun.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 03:23:21 PM
OK, this game is pretty fun.
Based on how often I've seen you online, I could tell that's what you think... :p
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 03:23:21 PM
OK, this game is pretty fun.
Yeah, I am having a lot of fun with it.
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2012, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 03:23:21 PM
OK, this game is pretty fun.
Based on how often I've seen you online, I could tell that's what you think... :p
Hehe, I'm ready to pop lvl 20 with mah Smugglin' Scoundrel, baby. Even though DPS at range + healing isn't my thing, it's still pretty cool.
I may roll a Trooper or Jedi Knight next, just for melee action.
Having fun with Cyber crafting, too. Along with Scavenging and Slicing, it's quite the moneymaker.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2012, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 03:23:21 PM
OK, this game is pretty fun.
Based on how often I've seen you online, I could tell that's what you think... :p
Hehe, I'm ready to pop lvl 20 with mah Smugglin' Scoundrel, baby. Even though DPS at range + healing isn't my thing, it's still pretty cool.
I may roll a Trooper or Jedi Knight next, just for melee action.
Having fun with Cyber crafting, too. Along with Scavenging and Slicing, it's quite the moneymaker.
My commando is all about range, but I think the other trooper AC does stuff in melee.
And while I like my trooper, the smuggler certainly has more entertaiing dialogue options. :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2012, 03:51:47 PM
And while I like my trooper, the smuggler certainly has more entertaiing dialogue options. :lol:
I am: attuned to the Dark Side.
Although Berkut will be happy; I didn't shoot the fucking orphans. Although I wanted to.
Seedy, I will never forgive you for choosing Beebs over me. Never.
Quote from: Berkut on January 23, 2012, 03:58:28 PM
Seedy, I will never forgive you for choosing Beebs over me. Never.
:lol:
Quote from: Berkut on January 23, 2012, 03:58:28 PM
Seedy, I will never forgive you for choosing Beebs over me. Never.
Sorry, bro. Just can't play that PVE care bear stuff. Gotta have the opportunity to ruin someone else's online experience.
And talk about disappointment: I never, ever for once figured you'd go all fahdiz on us. :(
For some reason there's a guy from Pennsylvania in my otherwise UK-centric guild. :unsure:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 03:49:42 PM
Having fun with Cyber crafting, too. Along with Scavenging and Slicing, it's quite the moneymaker.
Ship upgrades ftw. I made 100k credits yesterday.
It helps that I appear to have temporarily cornered the market on the lvl 4 upgrades on the server. One dude started mass-producing missile magazines and spamming them into the gtn at slightly less than they cost to get the materials. So I bought every damn thing he listed and re-listed them at double the price. Some people can't do math. Now I see the same guy listing at prices closer to mine. He learned an expensive lesson. heh
Yeah, you sure showed him, buying all his stuff!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 23, 2012, 03:58:28 PM
Seedy, I will never forgive you for choosing Beebs over me. Never.
Sorry, bro. Just can't play that PVE care bear stuff. Gotta have the opportunity to ruin someone else's online experience.
And talk about disappointment: I never, ever for once figured you'd go all fahdiz on us. :(
I've finally started seeing my first couple of imperials on Tatooine. One was even lvl 50 and ganking republic players!
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2012, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 23, 2012, 03:58:28 PM
Seedy, I will never forgive you for choosing Beebs over me. Never.
Sorry, bro. Just can't play that PVE care bear stuff. Gotta have the opportunity to ruin someone else's online experience.
And talk about disappointment: I never, ever for once figured you'd go all fahdiz on us. :(
One was even lvl 50 and ganking republic players!
Seedy, what is that sound coming from your bathroom? Are you going blind?
Just tried to play a flashpoint; good to see that how to pull mobs, sapping and tanking is totally lost on a new generation of MMORPGers.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 07:31:38 PM
Just tried to play a flashpoint; good to see that how to pull mobs, sapping and tanking is totally lost on a new generation of MMORPGers.
But what is nice is that TOR does require all those things. Not so much for Eseles, but more and more as you level.
Why is that good?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 23, 2012, 07:48:15 PM
Why is that good?
Because then we go back to actually strategy in MMO and you can longer just Leroy your way through.
So Kaas City is the server to play on?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 23, 2012, 07:48:15 PM
Why is that good?
WoW has tended to devolve into a total lack of strategy, burn everything down with AOE as fast as you can. Not fun, IMHO.
Quote from: Kleves on January 24, 2012, 01:09:02 AM
So Kaas City is the server to play on?
we are all spread out Kleves.
Seedy, CC and Beeb are on Helm of Garush
a contingent is on another PVP server
and rest are on Kaas City.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 03:49:42 PM
Hehe, I'm ready to pop lvl 20 with mah Smugglin' Scoundrel, baby. Even though DPS at range + healing isn't my thing, it's still pretty cool.
Smugglers are melee dps/healing, no? Assuming they are a mirror of IA operative. Gunslingers and snipers are ranged dps.
Isn't Gunslinger more like BH Merc?
Quote from: Solmyr on January 24, 2012, 07:09:21 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 23, 2012, 03:49:42 PM
Hehe, I'm ready to pop lvl 20 with mah Smugglin' Scoundrel, baby. Even though DPS at range + healing isn't my thing, it's still pretty cool.
Smugglers are melee dps/healing, no? Assuming they are a mirror of IA operative. Gunslingers and snipers are ranged dps.
Not so much melee; lots of grenades and their better DPS stuff is range. But I'm still figuring it out. They have less DPS than gunslingers, but scoundrels have more lol mad healz.
Played a bit as a jedi consular to see how it's like. The enjoyed teh "rock to teh face" attack, although i wonder why there's so much litter on the planet. but the pebbles? really, pebbles? couldn't thy come up with something better?
Quote from: HVC on January 24, 2012, 11:49:16 AM
Played a bit as a jedi consular to see how it's like. The enjoyed teh "rock to teh face" attack, although i wonder why there's so much litter on the planet. but the pebbles? really, pebbles? couldn't thy come up with something better?
Yeah, Sorcerers shoot lightening. Consulars throw stones. Apparently you can find stones even on space stations, or inside ships.
No contest, really.
Smugglers have the kick to the nutsack ability, which is quite amusing.
Quote from: Syt on January 24, 2012, 07:14:11 AM
Isn't Gunslinger more like BH Merc?
It goes like this:
Jedi Knight - Sith Warrior
* Guardian - Juggernaut
* Sentinel - Marauder
Jedi Consular - Sith Inquisitor
* Sage - Sorcerer
* Shadow - Assassin
Smuggler - Imperial Agent
* Scoundrel - Operative
* Gunslinger - Sniper
Trooper - Bounty Hunter
* Commando - Mercenary
* Vanguard - Powertech
As far as I know all abilities of a class are mirrored for its opposite (or should be), the names and animations are different of course but the effects are the same.
I like the bounty hunters rocket punch to the face attack :D
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 24, 2012, 12:15:33 PM
Smugglers have the kick to the nutsack ability, which is quite amusing.
Yeah, I do so love to kick someone in the balls, and then pistol whip them. Not unlike my bail bonds days.
I have flip flopped.
The Light side Republic options are like saccharin. Too sweet and completely artificial. Played a bit more with my Operative and that was fun but I am reading on the forums that they are second rate healers with the BH variety being the preferred tank healer and the Sorc being the uber healer.
So I think I might start a light side Sorc and see if that is more palatable.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 25, 2012, 03:13:24 PM
I have flip flopped.
The Light side Republic options are like saccharin. Too sweet and completely artificial. Played a bit more with my Operative and that was fun but I am reading on the forums that they are second rate healers with the BH variety being the preferred tank healer and the Sorc being the uber healer.
So I think I might start a light side Sorc and see if that is more palatable.
What are the Republic, light side options supposed to look like?
You're the good guy, and you're doing the right thing. They are somewhat predictable, but really, how else would you do it?
Quote from: Barrister on January 25, 2012, 03:53:56 PM
You're the good guy, and you're doing the right thing. They are somewhat predictable, but really, how else would you do it?
I would be more creative in my dialogue options so that light side wasnt always singing Kumbayah. Granted playing a light side Jedi is very calming but that isnt really what I am after in an MMO.
edit: I am sure there is a way to write a good guy piece of dialogue that makes people feel good about being the good guy. Hell, Lucas did it in the original...
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 25, 2012, 04:24:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 25, 2012, 03:53:56 PM
You're the good guy, and you're doing the right thing. They are somewhat predictable, but really, how else would you do it?
I would be more creative in my dialogue options so that light side wasnt always singing Kumbayah. Granted playing a light side Jedi is very calming but that isnt really what I am after in an MMO.
edit: I am sure there is a way to write a good guy piece of dialogue that makes people feel good about being the good guy. Hell, Lucas did it in the original...
Thinking about it, it may be just a function of the Jedi storyline. Being like a buddhist monk might be very light side, but I didn't think it was all that interesting either. Which is why I like my trooper - I may protect the weak and innocent, but I'm also unafraid to kick ass as well.
Light side does not have to be completely buddhist monk, which is how the Jedi choices seem to be - where is the Mace Windu of the lightside?
Quote from: Barrister on January 25, 2012, 04:46:41 PM
Which is why I like my trooper - I may protect the weak and innocent, but I'm also unafraid to kick ass as well.
Yeah, if it had that quality I would have enjoyed it a lot more.
Quote from: Berkut on January 25, 2012, 04:53:23 PM
Light side does not have to be completely buddhist monk, which is how the Jedi choices seem to be - where is the Mace Windu of the lightside?
Probably making Dark Side choices when killing Siths.
My Jedi is so damn light side it isn't even funny. But having fun with character.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 25, 2012, 03:13:24 PM
I have flip flopped.
The Light side Republic options are like saccharin. Too sweet and completely artificial. Played a bit more with my Operative and that was fun but I am reading on the forums that they are second rate healers with the BH variety being the preferred tank healer and the Sorc being the uber healer.
So I think I might start a light side Sorc and see if that is more palatable.
So wait, going back to Kaas City then? :P
Quote from: Barrister on January 25, 2012, 04:46:41 PMThinking about it, it may be just a function of the Jedi storyline. Being like a buddhist monk might be very light side, but I didn't think it was all that interesting either. Which is why I like my trooper - I may protect the weak and innocent, but I'm also unafraid to kick ass as well.
Yeah, while there's a time and place to have fun rolling a Lawful Good Paladin, so much of the Light Side is straight out of a George Lucas script: excruciatingly goody-goody and poorly written.
With my Smuggler, I just go with what gets me paid; which is why my freighter has a bumper sticker with WWLCD? on it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 25, 2012, 10:40:00 PM
which is why my freighter has a bumper sticker with WWLCD? on it.
I bet half your cargo hold is filled with Colt 45.
Is anyone else a bit perplexed by crafting? I keep getting gemstones using treasure hunting, but I lack recipes that use them in artifice. But peopel are telling me you take treasure hunting with artifice to get gemstones...
Quote from: Faeelin on January 26, 2012, 09:16:16 AM
Is anyone else a bit perplexed by crafting? I keep getting gemstones using treasure hunting, but I lack recipes that use them in artifice. But peopel are telling me you take treasure hunting with artifice to get gemstones...
uou gemstones for the upgraded versions of schematics (which you get by disassembling stuff you crafted). I think higher level bought schematics also need gemstones eventually.
Quote from: Berkut on January 25, 2012, 04:53:23 PM
Light side does not have to be completely buddhist monk, which is how the Jedi choices seem to be - where is the Mace Windu of the lightside?
Do they? I have only done Typhon, but the dark side choices seem to be pretty much "KILL EVERYONE." Sabotage weapons, get revenge, etc.
I think the choices are there to make interesting characters; but all of your choices are on a light-side/ dark-side rubric, and that's it, which skews it. I'm not sure it's really "light side" to give weapons to refugees and not to blow up the space-orcs' base with them; so I go with what I like.
But yea, I can't decide if Bioware got lazy or just had to dumb it down for an MMO.
Light = gay. Dark = red-blooded.
Quote from: Faeelin on January 26, 2012, 09:16:16 AM
Is anyone else a bit perplexed by crafting? I keep getting gemstones using treasure hunting, but I lack recipes that use them in artifice. But peopel are telling me you take treasure hunting with artifice to get gemstones...
Does trasure hunting give you something other than gemstones?
I know as an armortech I also took underworld trading. It gives me some metals that I need, but I can also take missions for companion gifts, and for some kind of "luxury fabrics" that must be for synthweaving, but I sure can't use them.
By the way kat, I crafted one of the items you sent me the recipe for, but forgot to stick it in the mail back to you. For the other I need 4 mulinine, since I gave my limited supply to seedy.
From what I have read you shoud also be getting things like lockboxes and stroge cantainers tha hold a wide variety of treasure....
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2012, 09:24:17 AM
Does trasure hunting give you something other than gemstones?
Gives you Companion gifts and lockboxes as well.
Quote from: Faeelin on January 26, 2012, 09:16:16 AM
Is anyone else a bit perplexed by crafting? I keep getting gemstones using treasure hunting, but I lack recipes that use them in artifice. But peopel are telling me you take treasure hunting with artifice to get gemstones...
The thing that perplexes me a bit is the system seems to be designed so that crafters dont really have to trade in order to craft - at least at low levels. If the correct three crew skills are picked the one crafting skill is pretty much self sufficient.
I suppose this is an attempt to make crafted gear more valuable then the mats used to craft them but I dont know how health the game economy will be.
Quote from: katmai on January 25, 2012, 09:38:07 PM
So wait, going back to Kaas City then? :P
Yeah, you will see me there when I next play - which given my schedule could be in a week or two.
The story lines are hilarious.
I want Berkut to know I am now Dark Side II. Shooting chicks does that.
Are crew skills permanent?
Quote from: Kleves on January 27, 2012, 02:51:35 PM
Are crew skills permanent?
No, you can drop them and get different ones if you want.
Kleves, just hit the small x in, iirc, the top right of the crew skill box.
Thanks.
I am thinking of creating an Imperial on Kass City, but what's the point of playing a Sith if you can't gank Jedis?
I've ganked quite a few Jedi as Sith, Republic players included. But only a suicidal Jedi would dare come to Drumond Kaas or Korriban.
Servers offline on a Saturday? Good planning.
releasing a new patch...it's in middle of night here in only land that counts. ^_^
Quote from: katmai on January 28, 2012, 02:58:48 AM
releasing a new patch...it's in middle of night here in only land that counts. ^_^
I don't care why they're offline, fanboi.
Quote from: The Brain on January 28, 2012, 03:02:40 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 28, 2012, 02:58:48 AM
releasing a new patch...it's in middle of night here in only land that counts. ^_^
I don't care why they're offline, fanboi.
Then quit your bitching.
Quote from: katmai on January 28, 2012, 03:04:42 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 28, 2012, 03:02:40 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 28, 2012, 02:58:48 AM
releasing a new patch...it's in middle of night here in only land that counts. ^_^
I don't care why they're offline, fanboi.
Then quit your bitching.
Sense, motherfucker, do you make it?
Why would i waste my time trying to explain stuff to a goat fucker like you? :huh:
Let's leave this keen encounter of our wits.
I like how the codex drops spoiler bombs. Good thing I had already guessed the score.
I've determined that, while this is an incredibly fun game, it allows you to level far too fast.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2012, 12:06:03 PM
I've determined that, while this is an incredibly fun game, it allows you to level far too fast.
PLaying 10-12 hours per day will do that to you...
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2012, 12:06:03 PM
I've determined that, while this is an incredibly fun game, it allows you to level far too fast.
Too fast for what? If you stick to solo planetside quests you match the planets levelwise. Of course if you do any other shit at all you just fly past them.
I do agree with CdM, here, but only tangently.
I do not get the feel that I am master of my own destiny like in other MMOs, but pulled on a train for storytelling - even if the storytelling is good. In LOTRO or EVE Online I can explore for fun, watch the scenery, and I'll find a quest somewhere near that I can fill. Here, the only reason to do more quests is to level up to be on par to the level required to continue the story.
It's not that it isn't fun, just that after doing the eight storylines I don't see the replayability of this game. And at level 50, the story ends on you and all you're left is doing flashpoints and PvP on a forgotton planet. They should have put in at least two more Chapters and lots of bonus series that requires level 50s so that the player keeps feeling that he has a role in that galaxy.
Quote from: The Brain on January 29, 2012, 04:54:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2012, 12:06:03 PM
I've determined that, while this is an incredibly fun game, it allows you to level far too fast.
Too fast for what? If you stick to solo planetside quests you match the planets levelwise. Of course if you do any other shit at all you just fly past them.
That's just the thing; after a few hours' worth of PVPing with a good enough side, and you bounce up 3 levels before you know it.
I agree with Drakken that the content is a little light and limited, particularly in comparison to the mammoth world of WoW, or the sandbox of EVE; one only hopes they add more content later on in patches and supplements.
They did add some small content in the latest big patch. We'll probably see small content addons once a month or so.
Quote from: Drakken on January 29, 2012, 05:12:56 PM
I do agree with CdM, here, but only tangently.
I do not get the feel that I am master of my own destiny like in other MMOs, but pulled on a train for storytelling - even if the storytelling is good. In LOTRO or EVE Online I can explore for fun, watch the scenery, and I'll find a quest somewhere near that I can fill. Here, the only reason to do more quests is to level up to be on par to the level required to continue the story.
It's not that it isn't fun, just that after doing the eight storylines I don't see the replayability of this game. And at level 50, the story ends on you and all you're left is doing flashpoints and PvP on a forgotton planet. They should have put in at least two more Chapters and lots of bonus series that requires level 50s so that the player keeps feeling that he has a role in that galaxy.
That makes a lot of sense. WoW didnt have to add much content early on because it took so long to get to max level and then the end game (at max level) had several levels of gearing to get ready for the big raids. People got to 50 in this game awfully fast and from what I understand there is not a whole lot to do yet in the end game.
Of course, a lot of levelling in early WoW was a bit on the grind side, which was one of the reasons why I quit in 2005.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 29, 2012, 12:06:03 PM
I've determined that, while this is an incredibly fun game, it allows you to level far too fast.
I have also determined something while playing this game, and that makes me conclude that you couldn't be more wrong. The story is cool in this game, but it also helps showing just how insanely EMPTY the regular MMO gameplay is. It does not offer challenge, it does not offer much fun, it does not make you learn or use your brain or reflexes. You just drool on your keyboard while smashing the same 4-button sequence over and over and over and over again.
Unless they come up with an even better theme for one, I am done with MMOs for good.
In my guild there's some who already have 2 or more characters at 50 (though they have significantly more playtime). One girl now only plays class quests and does the rest of levelling via PvP and space missions to avoid having to do the sidequests an umpteenth time.
My Juggernaut is at 43 (have played till early start), and I guess it'll be two, three weeks, till I hit the end of that road. And then I have my bounty hunter. And smuggler. So on stories alone I'll spend quite some time in this game.
Also, unlike other MMOs, it has yet to feel like grinding.
I'm pretty sure that I'm going to enjoy playing this game right up to 50, then probably leave it for something else.
Quote from: Barrister on January 30, 2012, 09:33:14 AM
I'm pretty sure that I'm going to enjoy playing this game right up to 50, then probably leave it for something else.
Yeah, it's simply just not big enough. Which is why I've tended to avoid other MMORPGs like Star Trek, TLOTR, etc. Nothing is as big and as expansive and as robust and full of replayability as WoW and EVE.
Although, it is a nice change of pace from Orcs and Elves.
THis is pretty much why I am in no hurry to get to level 50.
With WoW, once I got someone to max level, I quickly realized that game really didn't start until max level. From what I've seen, SW ends at max level.
Quote from: Berkut on January 30, 2012, 10:51:31 AM
THis is pretty much why I am in no hurry to get to level 50.
With WoW, once I got someone to max level, I quickly realized that game really didn't start until max level. From what I've seen, SW ends at max level.
Meh - that was only true if you were a serious raider. I found levelling in WoW much more entertaining than being at max level.
Quote from: Berkut on January 30, 2012, 10:51:31 AM
THis is pretty much why I am in no hurry to get to level 50.
With WoW, once I got someone to max level, I quickly realized that game really didn't start until max level. From what I've seen, SW ends at max level.
But in the beginning - wasn't there just Molten Core to grind endlessly?
Quote from: Syt on January 30, 2012, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 30, 2012, 10:51:31 AM
THis is pretty much why I am in no hurry to get to level 50.
With WoW, once I got someone to max level, I quickly realized that game really didn't start until max level. From what I've seen, SW ends at max level.
But in the beginning - wasn't there just Molten Core to grind endlessly?
Quote from: Barrister on January 30, 2012, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 30, 2012, 10:51:31 AM
THis is pretty much why I am in no hurry to get to level 50.
With WoW, once I got someone to max level, I quickly realized that game really didn't start until max level. From what I've seen, SW ends at max level.
Meh - that was only true if you were a serious raider. I found levelling in WoW much more entertaining than being at max level.
:boggle:
Well, duh. If you didn't enjoy the end game content, then yes, you would not be entertained by being at end game. Thank you Mr. Obvious!
Quote from: Syt on January 30, 2012, 11:36:11 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 30, 2012, 10:51:31 AM
THis is pretty much why I am in no hurry to get to level 50.
With WoW, once I got someone to max level, I quickly realized that game really didn't start until max level. From what I've seen, SW ends at max level.
But in the beginning - wasn't there just Molten Core to grind endlessly?
So I heard, I took my time getting to max level then as well, once I got there MC was just that start of raiding. Which is why I am content to take my time right now. I have little doubt that SW will eventually get a lot more "end game" content.
Quote from: Berkut on January 30, 2012, 12:17:25 PM
:boggle:
Well, duh. If you didn't enjoy the end game content, then yes, you would not be entertained by being at end game. Thank you Mr. Obvious!
It was the comment that "the game didn't start until max level" that was silly.
Nonsense.
There was a very fine game in levelling your character. The game then
changed once you hit max level.
Quote from: Barrister on January 30, 2012, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 30, 2012, 12:17:25 PM
:boggle:
Well, duh. If you didn't enjoy the end game content, then yes, you would not be entertained by being at end game. Thank you Mr. Obvious!
It was the comment that "the game didn't start until max level" that was silly.
Nonsense.
There was a very fine game in levelling your character. The game then changed once you hit max level.
The comment is not silly at all once you reach max level and start raiding or doing end game PvP. Then you realize rather quickly that all the stuff that came before doesn't apply at all. Which is why people who roll new characters to raid with are looking to blast through leveling as fast as possible. Because it simple does not matter once you start the gearing game and PvP. You can arrive at level 60 naked and it makes no difference.
For people who DO like end game content, yes, WoW definitely starts at max level. It is ok - that doesn't mean anything to those who do not like to raid, nor is it a slam on you or anything like that. You are arguing about something you admit you know zero about though - why?
BB, I think what Berkut is trying to say, in his own frenetic way, is that WoW has two games in it, not just one morphing into another.
Looks like they're pulling it down again at midnight. Why so many maintenance windows and so close together?
It is a gigantic, brand new game. Frankly I am very surprised at how few interruptions they have had.
Finished my agent's class storyline last night (not yet at 50, but almost there). Amazing storyline altogether, the agent has like 5 different possible endings depending on your choices during the story. Definitely recommend this class for everyone interested in well-written plots. As for endgame, having done it in WoW for years I'm not really interested in it anymore. Luckily I have a ton of alts in SWTOR that I can play for their stories, so I'm set for the next year or so.
Those of you who are Lvl50 already - have any of you tried the hard mode versions of the flashpoints (or nightmare modes, even)?
Quote from: Berkut on January 30, 2012, 01:32:39 PM
It is a gigantic, brand new game.
I read an interview with one of the designers where he said that it was the biggest game ever made. When you include all the class-specific plots and dialogue, I suppose that could even be true.
Looks like they're certainly dedicated to more content in the following months:
http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/coming-star-wars-old-republic
UI customization, more PVP warzones, Flashpoints, epic-level storylines, Guild support, a Legacy system that expands your character's powers "family-tree" style.
I hope they ditch the mechanical separation between Republic and Empire from a character standpoint. They already allow you to create characters on both sides on the same server, so why can't we send mail to one another, for example?
What is the purpose in NOT allowing something like that? What does that add to the gameplay?
Quote from: Solmyr on January 31, 2012, 06:36:23 AM
Finished my agent's class storyline last night (not yet at 50, but almost there). Amazing storyline altogether, the agent has like 5 different possible endings depending on your choices during the story. Definitely recommend this class for everyone interested in well-written plots. As for endgame, having done it in WoW for years I'm not really interested in it anymore. Luckily I have a ton of alts in SWTOR that I can play for their stories, so I'm set for the next year or so.
Yeah, this game is built for alts and if one class really grabs you then you can try some end game a bit until they put out more end game content.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 31, 2012, 12:31:28 PM
Looks like they're certainly dedicated to more content in the following months:
http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/coming-star-wars-old-republic
UI customization, more PVP warzones, Flashpoints, epic-level storylines, Guild support, a Legacy system that expands your character's powers "family-tree" style.
Hmm. I'd like to see some work done on the game economy before getting more storylines and stuff. There is already enough story content to keep me busy for a long time, but the economy needs help asap.
I think what would be epic is if the end game is when the world became open. SO for the end you go out into the Galaxy and wage real war on the the opposite fractions. It becomes almost Eve like only less planets and it is all ground combat. And you can take control of plantes but you have to control all the zones first. Each planet that you (though more then likely be guild control) you can build buildings and get access to special gear or something... Not a truly well thought out thought more or my own personal muse but I think it would be epic.
Quote from: Shade on February 01, 2012, 02:07:52 PM
I think what would be epic is if the end game is when the world became open. SO for the end you go out into the Galaxy and wage real war on the the opposite fractions. It becomes almost Eve like only less planets and it is all ground combat. And you can take control of plantes but you have to control all the zones first. Each planet that you (though more then likely be guild control) you can build buildings and get access to special gear or something... Not a truly well thought out thought more or my own personal muse but I think it would be epic.
The trouble with that is the crippling faction imbalance. Empire would just own everything all the time. What fun is that?
Quote from: Barrister on February 01, 2012, 02:59:07 PM
The trouble with that is the crippling faction imbalance. Empire would just own everything all the time. What fun is that?
My problem right now is how they have PVP designed; it's not level-specific. Sure, they boost your stats to level 49, but a level 17 Jedi is simply not going to have the ability to deal with a level 40 Sith, equal stats or no. You don't get level 49 abilities, you're just stuck with what you've got.
That's why I keep seeing loss after loss in PVP; Republic goes in with about 1/2 the team under level 25, up against 40-50 level Siths with endgame PVP gear. With 8 v 8, that's a loss every time.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 03:34:42 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 01, 2012, 02:59:07 PM
The trouble with that is the crippling faction imbalance. Empire would just own everything all the time. What fun is that?
My problem right now is how they have PVP designed; it's not level-specific. Sure, they boost your stats to level 49, but a level 17 Jedi is simply not going to have the ability to deal with a level 40 Sith, equal stats or no. You don't get level 49 abilities, you're just stuck with what you've got.
That's why I keep seeing loss after loss in PVP; Republic goes in with about 1/2 the team under level 25, up against 40-50 level Siths with endgame PVP gear. With 8 v 8, that's a loss every time.
QQ
L2PLAY.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 03:34:42 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 01, 2012, 02:59:07 PM
The trouble with that is the crippling faction imbalance. Empire would just own everything all the time. What fun is that?
My problem right now is how they have PVP designed; it's not level-specific. Sure, they boost your stats to level 49, but a level 17 Jedi is simply not going to have the ability to deal with a level 40 Sith, equal stats or no. You don't get level 49 abilities, you're just stuck with what you've got.
That's why I keep seeing loss after loss in PVP; Republic goes in with about 1/2 the team under level 25, up against 40-50 level Siths with endgame PVP gear. With 8 v 8, that's a loss every time.
They do segregate out the lvl 50s from everyone else you know. You aren't fighting anyone with endgame PvP gear.
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2012, 04:19:01 PM
QQ
L2PLAY.
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Quote from: Barrister on February 01, 2012, 05:05:47 PM
They do segregate out the lvl 50s from everyone else you know. You aren't fighting anyone with endgame PvP gear.
OK, then...only 8 lvl 49 Sith Inquisitors. lol
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 05:06:03 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2012, 04:19:01 PM
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This coming from the guy whose idea of "PvP" is ganking newbs with his level 70 lock...
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2012, 05:15:16 PM
This coming from the guy whose idea of "PvP" is ganking newbs with his level 70 lock...
You see pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you. Go home and play with your kids. You wanna play a game - you PVP. You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a PVP server? You don't like it, stay on a PVE server. I can go out there tonight with my 70 lock and make myself 15,000 PVP kills. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU?
Code blue! Code blue!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2012, 05:15:16 PM
This coming from the guy whose idea of "PvP" is ganking newbs with his level 70 lock...
You see pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you. Go home and play with your kids. You wanna play a game - you PVP. You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a PVP server? You don't like it, stay on a PVE server. I can go out there tonight with my 70 lock and make myself 15,000 PVP kills. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU?
What's my name? Fuck you, that's my name. You know why? Because I rode here tonight on a Swift Spectral Tiger, and you rode here tonight on a Brown Kodo.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 05:21:48 PM
You see pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you. Go home and play with your kids. You wanna play a game - you PVP. You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a PVP server? You don't like it, stay on a PVE server. I can go out there tonight with my 70 lock and make myself 15,000 PVP kills. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU?
What we have here is not PvP. This is playpen nerf bat contests. There are no consequences. You guys want real PvP that matters? You need full loot, unrestricted always-on combat. Preferably with permadeath to keep everyone honest.
Quote from: Barrister on February 01, 2012, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: Shade on February 01, 2012, 02:07:52 PM
I think what would be epic is if the end game is when the world became open. SO for the end you go out into the Galaxy and wage real war on the the opposite fractions. It becomes almost Eve like only less planets and it is all ground combat. And you can take control of plantes but you have to control all the zones first. Each planet that you (though more then likely be guild control) you can build buildings and get access to special gear or something... Not a truly well thought out thought more or my own personal muse but I think it would be epic.
The trouble with that is the crippling faction imbalance. Empire would just own everything all the time. What fun is that?
This is true I did not think of that... They could put cap limits on number of people on these worlds... Empire could still own a few more but with the right numbers it could be kinda balanced.... but hey like I said more of a personal muse...
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 05:21:48 PM
You see pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you. Go home and play with your kids. You wanna play a game - you PVP. You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a PVP server? You don't like it, stay on a PVE server. I can go out there tonight with my 70 lock and make myself 15,000 PVP kills. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU?
^_^
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2012, 05:15:16 PM
This coming from the guy whose idea of "PvP" is ganking newbs with his level 70 lock...
You see pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you. Go home and play with your kids. You wanna play a game - you PVP. You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a PVP server? You don't like it, stay on a PVE server. I can go out there tonight with my 70 lock and make myself 15,000 PVP kills. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU?
You know what it takes to play PVP? It takes brass balls to play PvP.
http://www.swtor.com/news/press-release/20120201
QuoteAlready the fastest growing subscription MMO ever, Star Wars: The Old Republic has sold over 2 million copies, with a thriving base of over 1.7 million active subscribers
QuotePlayer engagement for Star Wars: The Old Republic has not slowed since launch, as the community achieved the following incredible gameplay milestones in just over one month since launch:
Over 239 million in-game hours, or over 332,000 months and over 27,000 years of in-game time
Over 20 billion NPCs killed
Over 148 billion credits spent
Spent a couple hours in PVP last night; didn't see an Empire team that didn't have less than 4 Sith Inquisitors at a time all night.
Definitely one of the most overplayed characters in MMORPG history.
I'd be interested in seeing the actual server metrics from the game on side and class, actually. I bet 45% of the total Empire population is Sith Inquisitor, with an additional 40% as Sith Warrior.
How is PvP different from WoW in this game? I haven't had a chance to try it out yet.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2012, 05:15:16 PM
This coming from the guy whose idea of "PvP" is ganking newbs with his level 70 lock...
You see pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you. Go home and play with your kids. You wanna play a game - you PVP. You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a PVP server? You don't like it, stay on a PVE server. I can go out there tonight with my 70 lock and make myself 15,000 PVP kills. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU?
You guys should realy see that on stage if you haven't already. It's a fantastic play (though the epic speech from Alec Baldwin isn't in it).
Quote from: Caliga on February 03, 2012, 07:39:38 AM
How is PvP different from WoW in this game? I haven't had a chance to try it out yet.
The three battlegrounds (one is a "game") is limited to 7 v 7 (or is it 8 v 8); they're fun, but my problem is how they let all levels in the same bracket, and anybody under 49 has their stats and hit points adjusted to level 49. You don't get the skills, though.
So, a team of teens-20s simply can't match up against a team of 30s and 40s. The opposing team spots you as a lowbie, you're Force bait.
Quote from: Caliga on February 03, 2012, 07:41:23 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 01, 2012, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 01, 2012, 05:15:16 PM
This coming from the guy whose idea of "PvP" is ganking newbs with his level 70 lock...
You see pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a shit. Good father? Fuck you. Go home and play with your kids. You wanna play a game - you PVP. You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a PVP server? You don't like it, stay on a PVE server. I can go out there tonight with my 70 lock and make myself 15,000 PVP kills. Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can YOU?
You guys should realy see that on stage if you haven't already. It's a fantastic play (though the epic speech from Alec Baldwin isn't in it).
I did catch "American Buffalo" in town a couple months ago; one of the better presentations at Center Stage, who has a new artsy-fartsy we-haff-to-embrace-faggitry-and-black-pipple Artistic Director, which means that now we have to get a shit ton of obscure "diversity", and not the good stuff either.
I see one more August Wilson shit plate on the calendar, I'm swapping out my season tickets and hauling ass to the Folger in DC.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2012, 07:35:01 AM
I'd be interested in seeing the actual server metrics from the game on side and class, actually. I bet 45% of the total Empire population is Sith Inquisitor, with an additional 40% as Sith Warrior.
Nah it's more like
40% SI
30% Warrior
25% BH's
5% IA :P
:bleedingeyes:
I've determined that Smugglers are a little too underpowered to handle the PVP pew pew (although they're great in PVE with their companions), and I've seen high-40s Smugglers just getting ass raped in PVP over and over--which is why I'm twinking out a Jedi Consular. He's all goodie-goodie Light side. Should've named him Berkut.
I suck at PvP and I still kill more than I die with my operative, who has no PvP gear. It's about picking your fights rather than leaping into the fray.
So, how are people enjoying this game? Is it as fun as WoW was seven years ago, or merely something to pass the time?
This thread is really long. I suppose that's a good sign.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 04, 2012, 04:44:16 PM
So, how are people enjoying this game? Is it as fun as WoW was seven years ago, or merely something to pass the time?
It's nowhere near as deep our as huge as WoW, but WoW's had damned near 8 years to get as massive as it has.
SWTOR is fun; if you can get the better part of a year out of it, it's worth it. And they're obviously committed to adding more content over time.
It's fun if you enjoy leveling and storylines and are not immediately looking to jump into raiding.
I played through the Jedi Knight prelude this weekend and actually found it very enjoyable... I think I like it the best of all of the preludes I've played so far (Sith Inquisitor, Bounty Hunter, and then this one).
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2012, 07:50:58 AM
I did catch "American Buffalo" in town a couple months ago; one of the better presentations at Center Stage, who has a new artsy-fartsy we-haff-to-embrace-faggitry-and-black-pipple Artistic Director, which means that now we have to get a shit ton of obscure "diversity", and not the good stuff either.
I see one more August Wilson shit plate on the calendar, I'm swapping out my season tickets and hauling ass to the Folger in DC.
We actually cancelled our season tickets to Actors' Theatre (regional theater here in town) for that very reason. It used to be like a 50/50 mix of good shit and wingnut nonsense, but it was tilting more toward 90/10 in favor of PC junk.
Quote from: Caliga on February 05, 2012, 05:59:22 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2012, 07:50:58 AM
I did catch "American Buffalo" in town a couple months ago; one of the better presentations at Center Stage, who has a new artsy-fartsy we-haff-to-embrace-faggitry-and-black-pipple Artistic Director, which means that now we have to get a shit ton of obscure "diversity", and not the good stuff either.
I see one more August Wilson shit plate on the calendar, I'm swapping out my season tickets and hauling ass to the Folger in DC.
We actually cancelled our season tickets to Actors' Theatre (regional theater here in town) for that very reason. It used to be like a 50/50 mix of good shit and wingnut nonsense, but it was tilting more toward 90/10 in favor of PC junk.
I mean, I'm all about seeing cutting-edge new playwrights--and there are a few that I enjoy--but there are far too many classics that I
haven't seen yet.
I still enjoy it. I tried playing some alts this weekend (my smuggler, a new jedi knight and my bounty hunter), but my Sith Warrior is so close to finishing her story line now (level 47) that I want to do that first. And then maybe solo all those heroics I didn't find PUGs/guildies for. :P Still, it took me almost 8 weeks to get where I'm at, so I'm not complaining.
But yeah, after that - raiding is where it's at, I guess. And doing Hard Mode versions of the other flashpoints. Though I guess I'll spend more time levelling alts.
So far I'm very impressed by the game's polish - my main niggle is the inability to scale/move the UI.
UI customization is coming soon apparently, their trailer had demonstration of it.
It's fun for what it is, KOTOR 3 with other people playing too. If you go into it expecting that, you'll like it. PvP is kinda crappy (why are you guys doing PvP in Star Wars and not, say, Darkfall?). The player economy is almost nonexistent with very little reason to even do any crafting. Some updates to that are in the pipeline though. It's Bioware, so the stories are really good.
My Inquisitor Synthweaver has 280k credits at level 25 that says that there is a player economy and plenty of reasons (280,000 of them in fact) to do crafting.
MiM, I am not sure what you mean about there not being an economy. I assume you mean a balanced economy since goods are selling at such high prices atm.
On another note, I am now entirely conflicted on what class to play. I have had fun with all of them.
Everything's expensive because everything costs a shit ton to make. So people don't bother and just dump the mats on the market. Consequently, there's hardly anything being sold--so the people who are selling can jack the prices. Which they have to do in order to pay the insane prices for materials. Meanwhile, loot drops and commendation vendors give you better stuff than you can get on the gtn anyway. The tweaks they are talking about doing in the next month do sound like they will help a little though.
MiM, it must be that your server is different somehow. It costs next to nothing for my crafters to make things. I pick up the mats for free with my gathering skill, I spend very little to send my droid out to gather the special items I need while I am leveling with my companion and voila I have a blue that sells for high prices.
I am not sure why prices are high but I am pretty certain it has nothing to do with cost of production which is next to nothing.
It might also be that you are thinking about higher level crafting. I havent got there yet so I cant comment personally. But from everything I read on the forums the profit margins grow along the way.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 07, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
Meanwhile, loot drops and commendation vendors give you better stuff than you can get on the gtn anyway.
What sucks is, in order to gain those commendations, you wind up doing so many quests, you wind up out-leveling the items you wanted by the time you've earned the commendations to get them.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 07, 2012, 05:33:34 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 07, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
Meanwhile, loot drops and commendation vendors give you better stuff than you can get on the gtn anyway.
What sucks is, in order to gain those commendations, you wind up doing so many quests, you wind up out-leveling the items you wanted by the time you've earned the commendations to get them.
Agreed, gearing by way of commendations is less than optimal, hence the market for crafted goods.
After much discussion with a friend who got the game as well as reading through this thread, I decided to make the plunge. Bought the game tonight and hope to get a little bit of playtime in before the patch at 3am EST. Here's to hoping...
edit: Ok, so I got some decent playing time in after patching. It's fun, but I just don't see it replacing WoW in my MMO enjoyment. Granted I'm still in the starter area for Troopers, but it just seems so... dry? There's other random people around, but they never talk, never say anything, everyone is in their own little world doing their quests. I'll probably stick with a bit for the storylines that I'm interested in seeing from a player's perspective, but I think it'll be more of a KotOR I/II single player game for me than a legit MMO. Also, I've realized my computer is once again old, as it is kind of choppy and flows far less nicely than WoW with high graphics on. It also reminds me a lot of the Star Trek MMO in many gameplay ways.
All the <level 10 starter areas are incredibly dry. Things don't pick up until you get off that planet.
Wow, world PVP on Ilum is absolutely sucktastic. People group together in huge scrums in one area and they all stay there until somebody is stupid enough to go out of their little area and it's super-laggy, so you can barely do anything while you're being killed.
GG
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on February 08, 2012, 10:44:32 PM
edit: Ok, so I got some decent playing time in after patching. It's fun, but I just don't see it replacing WoW in my MMO enjoyment. Granted I'm still in the starter area for Troopers, but it just seems so... dry? There's other random people around, but they never talk, never say anything, everyone is in their own little world doing their quests.
As opposed to all the grouping and talking in the starting areas of WoW... :hmm:
Once you get past that area there is a lot more opportunity for grouping and interaction with others. I found the Trooper area to be one of the more dull starting areas. My favourite starting area was the Sith starting area.
Anybody else get their "Founder" email notification?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 16, 2012, 05:05:53 PM
Anybody else get their "Founder" email notification?
Weeks ago Money.
Yeah.
Quote from: Barrister on February 16, 2012, 05:14:17 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 16, 2012, 05:05:53 PM
Anybody else get their "Founder" email notification?
Weeks ago Money.
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I'm embarassed for both of us that you are familiar with that show.... and I guess embarassed for both of us that I'm familiar with that show too :blush:
I've finally finished the class quest for my Sith Warrior. Pretty good ending.
Not sure whether to level my Mercenary, Gunslinger or Sentinel next.
I liked Act 1 of sith warrior, very Palpatine feel to it. Hoping the rest of the story matches it.
I like the Jedi Knight story the best so far.... and your companion (Kira) :perv:
Dark Side Jaesa. :perv:
Quote from: Solmyr on February 19, 2012, 02:57:43 PM
I liked Act 1 of sith warrior, very Palpatine feel to it. Hoping the rest of the story matches it.
I thought Act 2 didn't measure up to it, but Act 3 was pretty awesome.
Quote from: Caliga on February 17, 2012, 07:31:18 AM
:bleeding:
I'm embarassed for both of us that you are familiar with that show.... and I guess embarassed for both of us that I'm familiar with that show too :blush:
What show is it? Is that supposed to be Link?
I had to call customer support today since I am a moran. :Embarrass:
I was very pleased with the quick help I got. :)
I think I am already bored.
Berkut bored, shocking I say!
This must be a great game. It took near record time for Berkut to become bored with this one.
While my juggernaut is now mostly for the occasional raid or PvP, I've started levelling my smuggler/gunslinger in earnest.
Damn, Coruscant is one annoying area - I liked Dromun Kaas a lot better. Now at Taris - nce to see that map by day for a change. :P
Taris is WAAAAAAY too big IMO.
Yea, I'm with you. My Republic and Sith chars were both on Taris at the same time, and dealing with the monotony made me stop playing for a couple weeks.
too a break. With School, life, and CK2 ( :P) there's just not enough time. canceled my subscritption before my next billing, but i just got an email saying i was billed (canceled lieka week ago). i'll have to look into that tonight.
I had the same email also...it appears to be a late (like 1 month/billing cycle late) receipt for January :D
I just logged into my account to double check, and I do not currently have an active subscription (still).
Again the Sith were just too dark so I spent some time with a smuggler and had a much better time.
The game actually concerns me a bit. In a hack and slay first person shooter you are not really making any moral decisions, you are really just shooting up pixels. But this game presents you with some moral choices and invites players to make choices we as a society would find reprehensible. Does this have an impact on behaviour after repeatively making the dark side choices? I dont know. I assume that some portion of the gamers out there will simply space bar their way through the dialog and so will have no greater effect then a first person shooter. But what about people who really get into the dialogue. The thing that made me wonder about this is in a group doing the first instance for the Republic (The ship transport one) one person in my group got mad at me for choosing the light side option (and winning the dialogue battle) rather then choosing dark side and shooting a bunch of engineers out an airlock. He said that the dark option made him fee better because he liked killing the engineers - which is a bit odd to start with.
There are probably a bunch of games out there that do this already and I may be a bit late to the dance having experienced this just now. But it does make me wonder at the effect this might be having on some percentage of the million + people who bought the game.
I actually thought the light side was a lot worse - if you are playing Sith, you are supposed to be something of a cold blooded killer, right? And since us normal people are not Sith, it doesn't really have any connection.
But how many sentient beings does your average Jedi butcher per hour played in this game? The answer to every problem pretty much involves wholesale slaughter that would have made the Totenkopf division proud. And these are supposed to be the good guys!
Quote from: Berkut on February 27, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
I actually thought the light side was a lot worse - if you are playing Sith, you are supposed to be something of a cold blooded killer, right? And since us normal people are not Sith, it doesn't really have any connection.
Thats odd, on my Lightside side BH and my Lightside Jug all the options I choose were the lesser of two evils or helping people out. Not sure what class as the cold blooded killer moral choices. If you are refering to general quests of kill x number of y then you are missing my point.
QuoteBut how many sentient beings does your average Jedi butcher per hour played in this game? The answer to every problem pretty much involves wholesale slaughter that would have made the Totenkopf division proud. And these are supposed to be the good guys!
Again you are missing my point. I am not talking about killing x number of y. I am talking about the moral choices presented within the dialogue cut scenes. Like the option on my operative which was to drug some guy who had information and then (Light side - leave him be and tell him he will recover from the drug in an hour) or (dark side - shoot his brains out in cold blood now that he has given the info).
All this is played out in voice acting and cut scenes which is a much more powerful visceral experience imo.
Yeah, playing my full dark side Sith warrior felt slightly disconnected, because I "gamed" the decision by picking dark side, whether I agree with it or not. It creates a slightly psychotic narrative, but one that doesn't feel much out of character for a Sith. The choices are often between "devious" and "psycho" which seems ok. I didn't really "get into" the char that way, however.
For Jedi - yeah, killing everything seems par for the course when it comes to enemy mobs, though you might be able to say it's proactive self defense. It's still a stretch, though. ;)
It makes more sense when playing a smuggler or trooper who're not so tied down by their moral codes. Even playing a bounty hunter allows for more moral ambiguity in a way that makes sense than playing a Sith does.
However, besides the occasional branch in a flashpoint, dark/light side choices don't seem to have very much bearing on the game, anyways, besides being able to use a bit of special gear.
Good points Syt.
The Operative is the one I find the most disturbing. Ironically it is the story line that people think is the best.
Re: moral choices for Sith - a lot of Dark Side stories in the comics (especially Old Republic before the KotOR games came out - think Exar Kun et al) deals with fallen Jedi who later regret their turn and are struggling to turn back or are in anguish that they can't. I think the moral choices you have occasionally can reflect that when you are lenient/merciful instead of the psychokiller. It would be nice if you could turn full light during your class campaign (or full dark if playing Jedi).
I was upset that I couldn't help the Evocii as my Bounty Hunter or Imperial Agent more than the basic few options. I was looking forward to covertly backing them in their attempts to destroy Hutt property and aid their dreams of getting off planet in the ship or retaking Evocar/Hutta. Oh well. I find myself trying to upset the Sith's plans whenever possible and going Light Side even as a member of the Empire. Too many of the Dark Side options just leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Quote from: Syt on February 27, 2012, 03:03:25 PM
It makes more sense when playing a smuggler or trooper who're not so tied down by their moral codes. Even playing a bounty hunter allows for more moral ambiguity in a way that makes sense than playing a Sith does.
Yeah, I have no problem with my Smuggler making DS choices, particularly when they're about money.
Of course, my Sith Inquisitor is a fucking anti-social sociopath.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 27, 2012, 03:06:14 PM
Good points Syt.
The Operative is the one I find the most disturbing. Ironically it is the story line that people think is the best.
Dark, edgy, extreme is what people like these days.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 27, 2012, 03:06:14 PM
The Operative is the one I find the most disturbing. Ironically it is the story line that people think is the best.
Well, the class
is Operative. They should be disturbing. They're not exactly above the board in what they do.
Yeah, it just took me a few levels to realize it wasnt for me.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on February 27, 2012, 03:13:46 PM
I find myself trying to upset the Sith's plans whenever possible and going Light Side even as a member of the Empire. Too many of the Dark Side options just leave a bad taste in my mouth.
My Jedi twink is barely lvl 11, and I think he's almost Light Side 1.
It's easy to accomplish; you just sit there and think, gee, how would CareBearkut answer this? And blammo: 400 Light Side points.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 27, 2012, 04:29:36 PM
Yeah, it just took me a few levels to realize it wasnt for me.
fhdz, is that you? :P
I dont get the reference.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 27, 2012, 04:39:08 PM
I dont get the reference.
fahidiz employs his moral compass when it comes to gaming.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 27, 2012, 04:45:35 PM
fahidiz employs his moral compass when it comes to gaming.
:ph34r:
Sidenote: The forums are fucking awful. Who doesn't break down the server forums by actual legit server instead of server type? It's just one mass of confusing clutter. Idiots.
I tried the Trooper tank AC. Got him to 21 so far and I am having a lot of fun with it. Just got the healing companion but she doesnt seem to be very effective so I think I will stick with the first DPS guy for now.
BB and Seedy, look up Sulla. And remind me what I have to do to join the Languish channel.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 05, 2012, 02:48:05 PM
I tried the Trooper tank AC. Got him to 21 so far and I am having a lot of fun with it. Just got the healing companion but she doesnt seem to be very effective so I think I will stick with the first DPS guy for now.
BB and Seedy, look up Sulla. And remind me what I have to do to join the Languish channel.
/cj languish I think.
For some reason I've been playing a fait bit of STO recently. I really should come back to SWTOR. Elara (the ehaling companion) wasn't doing much for me, but then again I'm healing specced myself.
You can tag along with me and heal...
CC - I'm logging in to TOR if you happen to see this...
Quote from: Barrister on March 06, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
CC - I'm logging in to TOR if you happen to see this...
I see it now. Are you still on... :P
Welp, I got bored with it and quit. Canceled my subscription. It was nice while it lasted; a good diversion for a couple of months, especially during my winter break. Doubt I'll play any MMO again until "Titan."
Quote from: JonasSalk on March 07, 2012, 04:39:51 PM
Welp, I got bored with it and quit. Canceled my subscription. It was nice while it lasted; a good diversion for a couple of months, especially during my winter break. Doubt I'll play any MMO again until "Titan."
Yeah, it's losing its poop. Simply not enough content to warrant $14.99 a month. I'll give it another month or two, but I've been getting back into EVE for my sci-fi fix.
My main problem is I have found a number of ACs which are fun to play. I thought Sulla my Trooper Tank would be my main, then I tried out the Sentinal and I am having a bunch of fun with that.
The difference might be I didnt burn out on MMOs prior to this.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 08, 2012, 04:32:46 PM
My main problem is I have found a number of ACs which are fun to play. I thought Sulla my Trooper Tank would be my main, then I tried out the Sentinal and I am having a bunch of fun with that.
The difference might be I didnt burn out on MMOs prior to this.
The difference for me has always been the people.
I played WoW for a long time because other Languish-types were also playing. I more-or-less stopped when others did as well.
For TOR I knew that there'd never be a large number of Languishites, so I found what looked to be a promising guild and joined it. But it too has become a ghost town.
I'm not cancelling my sub - I really want to see the end of the Trooper storyline. But that may well be it for me.
I plan on finishing out my free month and one paid for month, then I'll probably be done. It's a cool single player game so far.
lol, I just got a reminder email from SWTOR to log on and play CORSO RIGGS MISSES U
I wish they didn't spam me every time one of my alts reaches level 10.
I think this game would be a lot of fun if there was ever people on to actually play with. The Republic server was basically empty so I went back to the Kaas City server but the guild is essentially dead and while there are more Imperial Players on it is pretty hard to get a group for most group things I want to do.
This would have been a lot better with some kind of group finding tool.
My subscription is coming up so I am going to cancel for now.
It might be good in a while, but it seems like they are dropping players too fast to last that long on a subscription basis.
http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20120401
QuoteCruising around the galaxy in your own personal starship is an important aspect of Star Wars™: The Old Republic™. The player's starship is like a home, and the player's companions are like a family. No one knows this better than the dedicated Ship Droids who maintain the vessels: C2-N2 for Republic characters and 2V-R8 for Imperial characters.
Jedi Knights, Smugglers, Bounty Hunters and the other class characters may be the heroes in the wider galaxy, but on board the starship, the Ship Droids are the heroes. That's why, as part of Game Update 1.2, you will soon be able to assume direct control over your Droid's actions with Ship Droid™, a brand new mini-game coming to The Old Republic!
Features of this mini-game include cleaning the cockpit windows, calibrating the ship's food processors, and several other exciting maintenance duties:
The videos are pretty hillarious. Of course, remember that today's April 1st. ;)
Finished my smuggler storyline. Don't know how much more I'll play.
http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20120412-1
QuoteGame Update 1.2: Legacy is finally here, bringing a wide range of new game features and playable content to Star Wars™: The Old Republic™! With Legacy, you can now create your very own Legacy family tree, sharing the skills mastered by one character with everyone in your family tree. You will also be able to experience new adventures, including the new Operation, Explosive Conflict, the Novare Coast PvP Warzone, and much, much more!
We appreciate the support of our community throughout the development of the Legacy game update. As a 'Thank You' gift, we are giving all active subscribers (as of April 12, 12:00PM CDT, 5:00PM GMT or April 21, 12:00PM CDT, 5:00PM GMT) the in-game Legacy reward: the Legacy Tauntaun Ram Pet*, sure to be your new best friend!
In order to make sure that you receive your in-game Legacy Tauntaun Ram, your account must meet the following criteria by April 12, 2012 ,12:00PM CDT, 5:00PM GMT or April 21, 2012, 12:00PM CDT, 5:00PM GMT:
You must have purchased the game and redeemed an official Game Product Registration Code at the Code Redemption Center.
You must have signed up for a recurring subscription using a valid payment method OR redeemed a Game Time Code.
Your account must not be banned.
Not an active subscriber? Purchase the game and activate your account on or before April 21st at 12:00PM CDT, 5:00PM GMT and you will receive the Legacy Tauntuan Ram pet*!
A SPECIAL GIFT FOR OUR LEVEL 50 PLAYERS – 30 DAYS OF PLAY TIME ON US!
As a thanks for being one of our most valued players, every active account with a Level 50 character as of April 12th, 2012 at 12:00PM CDT / 5:00PM GMT, will receive thirty (30) days of game time** in appreciation for your support and loyalty.
In order to receive your thirty (30) days of game time, you must meet the following requirements by April 12th, 2012, at 12:00PM CDT / 5:00PM GMT:
You must have purchased the game and redeemed an official Game Product Registration Code at the Code Redemption Center.
You must have signed up for a recurring subscription using a valid payment method OR redeemed a Game Time Code.
You must have at least one level 50 character.
Your account must not be banned.
FORMER PLAYERS COME BACK AND PLAY NOW ON US: APRIL 13 – APRIL 19
In honor of Game Update 1.2: Legacy, we are offering former subscribers the chance to come back and play on us.
Starting on April 13th, 2012 at 12:01AM CDT / 5:01AM GMT through April 19th, 2012 at 11:59PM CDT / April 20th, 2012 at 4:59AM GMT, former subscribers will be able to log-in to their accounts without having to re-subscribe!
In order to qualify for the seven (7) days of free*** gameplay, you must meet the following requirements:
You must have purchased the game and redeemed an official Game Product Registration Code at the Code Redemption Center.
You must have previously signed up for a recurring subscription using a valid payment method OR redeemed a Game Time Code. (This includes players in their first thirty (30) days of game time included with purchase of the game.)
You must currently have an inactive subscription.
You cannot have left the game in a banned status.
Plus, if you reactivate your former account on or before April 21st, 2012 at 12:00PM CDT / 5:00PM GMT, you qualify for our Legacy reward: the Legacy Tauntaun Ram Pet*!
No, this doesn't at all seem desperate . . . :unsure:
Hmmm, gonna have to log on, see what's what. Been a while since I messed with my Jedi twink.
I deleted it from my hard drive. If it was still there I might poke around for a bit but it is too much of a pain to download it again.
Well, I was going to test the new patch tonight. However, they added a new patch, and that reverted some regions to pre-1.2 megapatch state. So it seems they've taken down the servers a few hours ago and don't expect them to come back on until in 5 or six hours from now.
And just as I was thinking I shouldnt have removed it from my hard drive.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=3918776
QuoteAll live servers will be coming down in approximately 15 minutes for an unscheduled maintenance (approx 9:30am CDT, 3:30PM BST, 4:30PM CEST, 12:30AM (April 14th) AEST).
We have no ETA for servers being back online at this time, but will update this thread.
We apologize for any inconvenience.
QuoteUPDATE: 10:53AM CDT
During last night's maintenance, some areas of the game were reverted to pre-Game Update 1.2 status. Some areas were 'missing' and characters that were in those areas would be unavailable. We took the live servers offline at approx 9:30AM CDT (Austin time).
Our server and deployment teams are now working to rebuild assets for the live servers, but this is unfortunately not a quick process. We currently estimate that our downtime could be up to eight hours, but that time may be extended.
We are expecting the servers to be available again at 6:00PM CDT (US: 4:00PM PDT, 7:00PM EDT. Europe: April 14th, 12:00AM BST, 1:00AM CEST. AU: 9:00AM AEST. NZ: 11:00AM NZST). We'll update you with information in this thread when we have it.
We sincerely apologize for the unexpected downtime today. We'll update you with more details later.
Thank you for your patience while we work to resolve this issue.
QuoteDue to the unexpected extended maintenance today, we are going to be offering every player a full day of game time as compensation. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Thank you for your patience.
Oh man...
I logged on this AM for shits and giggles, and to check out my new Tauntan pet and see what's changed. Talk about barren as Tatooine.
Server listings were nothing more than a stream of green "Light". Logged on to the busiest Empire PVP server I have a toon on: Fleet population: 3. Woof.
What a shame, for a game that had so much promise, but with a ceiling so low.
I really don't see how any company or MMORPG can break the WoW paradigm to be as successful or sustained.
Yeah - logged in last night. Didn't check out server populations though, but starter zone was pretty empty.
Roled a new toon - game is definitely fun at low levels. Was feeling pretty grindy though in the mid 30s or wherever I left my trooper.
I had a look last weekend, playing my smuggler on the EU PVE-RP server. On Sunday afternoon about 15 people were on Taris (Republic version), which seemed fine normal. Didn't visit the fleet.