Poll
Question:
Have you gotten a COVID vaccine?
Option 1: ROTW: Yes!
votes: 17
Option 2: ROTW: Not yet
votes: 1
Option 3: ROTW: Not destroying my godlike temple of a body with that bullshit
votes: 0
Option 4: US/Canada: Yes!
votes: 24
Option 5: US/Canada: Not yet
votes: 0
Option 6: US/Canada: Get that poison out of here, you commie bastard
votes: 0
Option 7: I am Jaron, and I am immune to your puny pandemics
votes: 1
Given that we're an international community, I wondered who has gotten their vaccinations and who is still waiting. I also thought it would be interesting to sort of track when everyone does get theirs, assuming they want one.
I got my first vaccination this afternoon, almost exactly one year after the initial lockdown in the US. I qualified due to being diabetic, which in Illinois was allowed over two months after the 65+ crowd. (The state approved it on February 25th, but my county didn't approve going to that level until last Thursday.)
Anyone else gotten theirs yet?
EDIT: I think enough people have now gotten the shot - or have access to the shot - that the poll is now worthwhile. It's changeable, so feel free to come back and update as fits.
I got my first one in another thread.
Not yet. Iowa DPH site makes it look like I'll qualify around May depending on supply.
Getting mine a week on Thursday.
After an initially good start Denmark is back to a slow moving pace along with the rest of EU, but maybe in late April.
Not yet.
Not yet.
My mom (age 70) can set an appointment for her first shot in a week. Due to vaccine shortages Canada is trying a controversial strategy of giving first shots to everyone, and delaying the second shot by 4 months. There apparently is real-world evidence that shows just the initial shot does give significant protection, but since these vaccines haven't even been approved for 4 months yet and nobody studied a 4 month delay, this is something of a gamble.
The closest I have to a time-table is "spring or early summer". The government has also said they hope to have all adults receive their first dose by the end of June.
It's going to be in late august, early september. So, not yet.
Freaking Americans.
There have been trials under way in many places in Canada, so I guess they are comparing vaccinated test subjects with those who got a placebo.
I do not know at which point those who got a placebo will be told they need to come back for the real one...
Anyway. In my area, it's for 75+ right now.
Once it lowers a notch, I'll have my dad's girlfriend register for both of them, and I guess I'll be among the next group, given my health problems.
Ask me again "in summer." (as per chancellor Kurz)
My guess it's going to be around (late) May for me.
Virginia made teachers priority, so I got both jabs (second one on Friday). No side effects.
Part-time teaching FTW!
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 08, 2021, 02:45:20 PM
It's going to be in late august, early september. So, not yet.
Freaking Americans.
Fuck. I was really banking on Canada being travelable this summer. :(
Waiting patiently. I have alerted the bureaucracy to my needs and am waiting for them to alert me for my appointment. Any day now surely.
People around me are combing the whole state for vaccines and are willing to drive hundreds of miles to some random Walgreens to get one. I am not there just yet...
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 08, 2021, 03:02:19 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 08, 2021, 02:45:20 PM
It's going to be in late august, early september. So, not yet.
Freaking Americans.
Fuck. I was really banking on Canada being travelable this summer. :(
It'll probably be travelable. I think GF's timeline is about right for everyone receiving their second dose (Quebec is also following that strategy). It'll be hard to justify having the border closed if the US is largely vaccinated and disease-free.
Quote from: viper37 on March 08, 2021, 02:48:15 PM
There have been trials under way in many places in Canada, so I guess they are comparing vaccinated test subjects with those who got a placebo.
I do not know at which point those who got a placebo will be told they need to come back for the real one...
Anyway. In my area, it's for 75+ right now.
Once it lowers a notch, I'll have my dad's girlfriend register for both of them, and I guess I'll be among the next group, given my health problems.
No placebo shots have been given in Canada.
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
It'll probably be travelable. I think GF's timeline is about right for everyone receiving their second dose (Quebec is also following that strategy). It'll be hard to justify having the border closed if the US is largely vaccinated and disease-free.
I also need the peelers to be reopened.
Mam has had first. Over 60 and has asthma.
GFs dad in Switzerland has had both. Over 60 with a more serious health issue.
My dad, over 60 and healthy, has recieved a letter but no date yet.
No sign of anyrhing for me. I don't have any qualifying health problems.
I got my first last Wednesday and will be getting my second on March 31st.
Quote from: Caliga on March 08, 2021, 03:41:42 PM
I got my first last Wednesday and will be getting my second on March 31st.
Remind me how you got to jump the line.
Quote from: Tyr on March 08, 2021, 03:30:43 PM
Mam has had first. Over 60 and has asthma.
GFs dad in Switzerland has had both. Over 60 with a more serious health issue.
My dad, over 60 and healthy, has recieved a letter but no date yet.
No sign of anyrhing for me. I don't have any qualifying health problems.
Yeah my dad - almost 80 with health issues - has been vaccinated and my mum - almost 60 - has her jab booked.
The main relief is that all of my very high risk family didn't get covid and have now been vaccinated which I'm incredible relieved about.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 08, 2021, 03:42:33 PM
Remind me how you got to jump the line.
I'm fat, have asthma, and my company deemed me an essential worker.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 08, 2021, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
It'll probably be travelable. I think GF's timeline is about right for everyone receiving their second dose (Quebec is also following that strategy). It'll be hard to justify having the border closed if the US is largely vaccinated and disease-free.
I also need the peelers to be reopened.
I mean I kind of assumed, but didn't want to go right out and say it... :lol:
I dunno, it's probably 50 / 50. Are you okay with no lapdances, just watching the show? And sex workers probably don't follow public health guidelines anyways.
Quote from: viper37 on March 08, 2021, 02:48:15 PM
There have been trials under way in many places in Canada, so I guess they are comparing vaccinated test subjects with those who got a placebo.
I do not know at which point those who got a placebo will be told they need to come back for the real one...
Placebos are used as part of a drug trial. They need to compare the effectiveness of the drug compared to no treatment. If you're in a drug trial you'll know it - and you'll certainly have to sign waivers and consents.
What governments are handing out now are the vaccines themselves. No pracebos.
I know the people who got the vacines in the trial aren't getting vaccinated now (partly to work out how long you're protected) - does that mean the people in the placebo control group also don't get vaccines? Feels a bit weird ethically so I assume you'd have to vaccinate the placebo group at some point - or no? :hmm:
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 08, 2021, 04:02:31 PM
I know the people who got the vacines in the trial aren't getting vaccinated now (partly to work out how long you're protected) - does that mean the people in the placebo control group also don't get vaccines? Feels a bit weird ethically so I assume you'd have to vaccinate the placebo group at some point - or no? :hmm:
Once the trial is over they're supposed to notify everyone in the placebo group to give them the real thing.
Got it. Moderna. Got a bad man cold on 2d day after 2d shot.
Quote from: Scipio on March 08, 2021, 04:15:01 PM
Got it. Moderna. Got a bad man cold on 2d day after 2d shot.
Yeah, I had the Moderna shot too and it was rough going the day after the first shot, so I'm a little concerned about the second one since everyone says the second one is typically worse.
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2021, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 08, 2021, 04:02:31 PM
I know the people who got the vacines in the trial aren't getting vaccinated now (partly to work out how long you're protected) - does that mean the people in the placebo control group also don't get vaccines? Feels a bit weird ethically so I assume you'd have to vaccinate the placebo group at some point - or no? :hmm:
Once the trial is over they're supposed to notify everyone in the placebo group to give them the real thing.
This depends on the trial, I believe. J&J has agreed to unblind participants who become vaccine eligible, and (if authorized in their locality) to give placebo recipients the J&J vaccine at this point.
...the trial is 2 years long and you don't want to be without a vaccine that long if you can avoid it.
I don't qualify in New Jersey yet, unless I take up smoking. I wonder whether that would be a net win on the life expectancy. :hmm:
Quote from: merithyn on March 08, 2021, 02:19:22 PM
Given that we're an international community, I wondered who has gotten their vaccinations and who is still waiting. I also thought it would be interesting to sort of track when everyone does get theirs, assuming they want one.
I got my first vaccination this afternoon, almost exactly one year after the initial lockdown in the US. I qualified due to being diabetic, which in Illinois was allowed over two months after the 65+ crowd. (The state approved it on February 25th, but my county didn't approve going to that level until last Thursday.)
Anyone else gotten theirs yet?
Yes, back in January
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2021, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 08, 2021, 04:02:31 PM
I know the people who got the vacines in the trial aren't getting vaccinated now (partly to work out how long you're protected) - does that mean the people in the placebo control group also don't get vaccines? Feels a bit weird ethically so I assume you'd have to vaccinate the placebo group at some point - or no? :hmm:
Once the trial is over they're supposed to notify everyone in the placebo group to give them the real thing.
Viper is just confused. There was talk about doing an actual drug trial where people would be vaccinated and then purposefully exposed to the virus. As far as I am aware that never occurred. And there certainly would never have been a placebo control group in that drug trial.
There are a number of drug trials in which it would be entirely unethical to give a placebo. For example, think about wound management research. It would be unethical to give a placebo, rather than actual treatment for the wound. Instead the research compares one type of treatment to another form of treatment.
It would have been entirely unethical (and would never have been given Research Board Approval) to let someone think they had been vaccinated and provided with a false sense of confidence that goes with that. Instead the studies measured how whether someone who was immunized became infected, and worked their statistical magic that really only DG really understands, to come to their conclusions.
Benefits of low population state with sizable native population. A local native foundation got larger than expected supply of Pfizer vaccine for March so they opened appointments to any Anchorage residents over 40.
Booked my appointment for first shot on March 23rd.
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 08, 2021, 03:02:19 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 08, 2021, 02:45:20 PM
It's going to be in late august, early september. So, not yet.
Freaking Americans.
Fuck. I was really banking on Canada being travelable this summer. :(
It'll probably be travelable. I think GF's timeline is about right for everyone receiving their second dose (Quebec is also following that strategy). It'll be hard to justify having the border closed if the US is largely vaccinated and disease-free.
I'm pretty sure about my timeline. Quebec has indetifiyed 11 wave. I'm in wave 11, expected to start in late summer.
I'll get my first shot in two weeks.
Got my first jab Feb 5th. NYS considers sports officials school employees.
Got diagnosed with Covid on the 15th, probably exposed at a basketball game I officiated on the 12th.
Got my second shot on the 26th.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 08, 2021, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 08, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 08, 2021, 03:02:19 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 08, 2021, 02:45:20 PM
It's going to be in late august, early september. So, not yet.
Freaking Americans.
Fuck. I was really banking on Canada being travelable this summer. :(
It'll probably be travelable. I think GF's timeline is about right for everyone receiving their second dose (Quebec is also following that strategy). It'll be hard to justify having the border closed if the US is largely vaccinated and disease-free.
I'm pretty sure about my timeline. Quebec has indetifiyed 11 wave. I'm in wave 11, expected to start in late summer.
Yeah, I would be very surprised if Yanks were allowed across the border before we are fully vaccinated.
Anecdotally it does seem like Moderna is the one that fucks people up the most.
First one a couple of weeks back, next one is 13th May.
Probably late summer, at best.
I wasn't counting on getting it until the summer as the earliest, as I am in the lowest priority group, but as the AZ vaccine is only being used for u-55s some groups meant to be vaccinated later are being vaccinated already. In my region this means that people as young as 45 might be getting vaccinated soon, so if this policy continues then I might be getting it soon-ish.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 09, 2021, 01:28:03 AM
Anecdotally it does seem like Moderna is the one that fucks people up the most.
I've heard that as well, but the experience at my school is that the Pfizer vaccine was the only one to cause significant side effects.
Quote from: Maladict on March 09, 2021, 03:44:36 AM
Probably late summer, at best.
Ditto. My position on the vaccine queue is the same as "old" teenagers. Basically, without health issues, from 18 to 49 included, it's late Summer, so September if all goes as planned.
My parents should be able to get their shots soon though.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 09, 2021, 01:28:03 AM
Anecdotally it does seem like Moderna is the one that fucks people up the most.
That's the one I got, and it knocked me on my ass last night. So tired I nearly fell asleep eating dinner. Other than a sore arm, though, minimal other side effects.
My wife is a physio so she'll get her first jab in mid-March. I'll potentially be fully vaccinated June/July if vaccine deliveries hold up but who knows.
My mom will get her shot in about 40 minutes. I have no idea when I can get one, though it's probably not within the next hour.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 09, 2021, 06:14:00 AM
My parents should be able to get their shots soon though.
:yes:
That's the one I'm most concerned about.
It really feels like this thread is just our US/UK posters going :showoff: while the rest of the world just waits.
It's good to be the king. :sleep:
Quote from: Barrister on March 09, 2021, 10:39:01 AM
It really feels like this thread is just our US/UK posters going :showoff: while the rest of the world just waits.
If it makes you feel any better, I won't be eligible for at least a couple months. In Florida the priority went to the elderly and that's a really big demographic here. The Miami Herald even offered tips on how to deal with vaccine envy:
Don't be mad at your abuela, Miami. Here's how to deal with your COVID vaccine envy (https://www.miamiherald.com/miami-com/funny-stories/article249694363.html#storylink=hpdigest_miami)
Quote from: Barrister on March 09, 2021, 10:39:01 AM
It really feels like this thread is just our US/UK posters going :showoff: while the rest of the world just waits.
Even as a diabetic I'm not eligible in the current phase, which at current rates looks like it's going to end sometime mid summer.
Quote from: grumbler on March 09, 2021, 05:49:33 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 09, 2021, 01:28:03 AM
Anecdotally it does seem like Moderna is the one that fucks people up the most.
I've heard that as well, but the experience at my school is that the Pfizer vaccine was the only one to cause significant side effects.
Yes, I've heard this.
My mam got the Pfizer one, she was told she had to wait behind for 15 minutes after getting it and couldn't drive herself home again just in case there were side effects.
Its also said to be the one with the best effectiveness iirc?
Quote from: Barrister on March 09, 2021, 10:39:01 AM
It really feels like this thread is just our US/UK posters going :showoff: while the rest of the world just waits.
I feel lucky that being a sports official meant I got the vaccine, and then unlucky that being a sports official then meant I got Covid from some dumb kids who refused to wear a mask properly during the game (don't get me started on that).
But I guess I ought to be damn near covid bulletproof now. First shot, then covid, then second shot!
I just tried to register as I am in the second priority group in Germany. But when I reached the end of the online booking process, all free slots had been taken. :ultra:
My siblings, both physicians with direct exposure potential are vaccinated already. My parents are not old enough for the current priorities.
Quote from: Barrister on March 09, 2021, 10:39:01 AM
It really feels like this thread is just our US/UK posters going :showoff: while the rest of the world just waits.
I just found out I've been vaccinated since November 17, but in my defense I did volunteer for a clinical trial (J&J).
Quote from: ulmont on March 09, 2021, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 09, 2021, 10:39:01 AM
It really feels like this thread is just our US/UK posters going :showoff: while the rest of the world just waits.
I just found out I've been vaccinated since November 17, but in my defense I did volunteer for a clinical trial (J&J).
:yeah:
According the current published plan I'll be getting dose 1 in July and dose 2 in August, but I think that plan is based on limited supply and we are hopeful that with the J&J approval the supply situation will improve.
Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
According the current published plan I'll be getting dose 1 in July and dose 2 in August, but I think that plan is based on limited supply and we are hopeful that with the J&J approval the supply situation will improve.
Is BC not doing the 4 month delay?
Not even my parents are vaccinated yet. It's going to take a while.
Quote from: Barrister on March 09, 2021, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
According the current published plan I'll be getting dose 1 in July and dose 2 in August, but I think that plan is based on limited supply and we are hopeful that with the J&J approval the supply situation will improve.
Is BC not doing the 4 month delay?
Yes, I kept hearing that we are... in fact IIRC Dr. Henry was getting blowback for the idea as she was one of the first to do so. So I'm pretty sure we are. Maybe the schedule impact of the decision hasn't been fully calculated and percolated out to the website I was looking at.
So we'll see. I'm not super fussed either way.
I snuck in under the wire - UC was all set to vaccinate staff, but California changed their system and now the campus is not going to receive any more 1st doses. I was eligible to get it from UC (as an essential worker), but not so much from California (where I am essential, but just a cog in the machine).
I got the first shot (Moderna) on 1 Feb, and the 2nd this last Friday.
After 1st shot: Sore arm...that was it.
After 2nd shot: Sore arm again (though much less so), woke up the next day feeling a bit congested and with a temperature...but felt better later enough in the day that I went for a 2.5 mile run. Maybe felt a little more overall achy/spent after that (but at my age, it can be hard to tell it wasn't just the run) but was better again on Sunday, and back to normal Monday.
Though, in general, it has always felt like my immune system is pretty top notch (I cannot even remember having even a cold or flu in the 2.5 years I've been in Blighty). :showoff:
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 09, 2021, 06:03:04 PM
I got the first shot (Moderna) on 1 Feb, and the 2nd this last Friday.
After 1st shot: Sore arm...that was it.
After 2nd shot: Sore arm again (though much less so), woke up the next day feeling a bit congested and with a temperature...but felt better later enough in the day that I went for a 2.5 mile run. Maybe felt a little more overall achy/spent after that (but at my age, it can be hard to tell it wasn't just the run) but was better again on Sunday, and back to normal Monday.
Though, in general, it has always felt like my immune system is pretty top notch (I cannot even remember having even a cold or flu in the 2.5 years I've been in Blighty). :showoff:
I'm willing to support your last sentence. I was sick as hell the week we were in Scotland, London, and Paris, and you didn't even get a sniffle. :P
My father in law got his first shot three weeks ago. Mrs. CC is booking hers now (she falls into the category of a visitor to his home*). Looks like mine is going to happen in April/May.
The boys, are back of the line - young and health. But no really good idea when that will be.
*If I had been a more dutiful son in law I would probably be on the list...
Quote from: Barrister on March 09, 2021, 10:39:01 AM
It really feels like this thread is just our US/UK posters going :showoff: while the rest of the world just waits.
I'm in the non-prioritized group and my county is vaccinating groups 1A and 1B, so we're probably not getting it until April or May at the earliest.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on March 09, 2021, 11:56:30 PM
I'm in the non-prioritized group and my county is vaccinating groups 1A and 1B, so we're probably not getting it until April or May at the earliest.
Groups 1A and 1B are so fucking goofy. There's no goddamn group 2, or 3, ,or 4. 1B is the bottom of the barrel. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 10, 2021, 12:29:21 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on March 09, 2021, 11:56:30 PM
I'm in the non-prioritized group and my county is vaccinating groups 1A and 1B, so we're probably not getting it until April or May at the earliest.
Groups 1A and 1B are so fucking goofy. There's no goddamn group 2, or 3, ,or 4. 1B is the bottom of the barrel. :lol:
:lol: yeah that's pretty silly. At least just call it group A and group B. But I guess that would make group B members feel not special.
Up here in BC we have Phase 1, 2, 3, and 4. And I'm in Phase 4.
Alaska announced signups available for anyone over age 16 effective today
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 10, 2021, 12:29:21 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on March 09, 2021, 11:56:30 PM
I'm in the non-prioritized group and my county is vaccinating groups 1A and 1B, so we're probably not getting it until April or May at the earliest.
Groups 1A and 1B are so fucking goofy. There's no goddamn group 2, or 3, ,or 4. 1B is the bottom of the barrel. :lol:
If that is the case, why isn't he eligible now? :contract:
Quote from: Jacob on March 10, 2021, 01:43:07 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 10, 2021, 12:29:21 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on March 09, 2021, 11:56:30 PM
I'm in the non-prioritized group and my county is vaccinating groups 1A and 1B, so we're probably not getting it until April or May at the earliest.
Groups 1A and 1B are so fucking goofy. There's no goddamn group 2, or 3, ,or 4. 1B is the bottom of the barrel. :lol:
:lol: yeah that's pretty silly. At least just call it group A and group B. But I guess that would make group B members feel not special.
Up here in BC we have Phase 1, 2, 3, and 4. And I'm in Phase 4.
In New Jersey it's different. There is Phase 1A, and then there is Phase 1B, but Phase 1B is phased in in phases. By virtue of being slightly overweight, I think I'm going to be in the fourth phase of Phase 1B.
I filled out a form today to register myself for vaccine eligibility notifications. The problem was that when it came to listing individual health risk factors, they lumped in the factors for the second phase of Phase 1B and the fourth phase of Phase 1B in one huge list (Do you have cancer? Do you have diabetes? Do you have slight aches in the morning?). Given that I'm slightly overweight (BMI of 26), it seems to say that I'm eligible, but I shouldn't be for at least another week. For now we're only up to the second phase of Phase 1B, which covers severely obese; the overweight ones are going to be in the fourth phase of Phase 1B.
Our provincial health minister is being interviewed now, he repeated what the PHO said on Monday, that we should be vaccinated by Canada Day - ie by the end of June.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 10, 2021, 10:29:03 AM
Our provincial health minister is being interviewed now, he repeated what the PHO said on Monday, that we should be vaccinated by Canada Day - ie by the end of June.
That's good. I do hope that they figure out the sign-up process a bit better in our local health authority, though. Seems like someone fucked up.
Quote from: Jacob on March 10, 2021, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 10, 2021, 10:29:03 AM
Our provincial health minister is being interviewed now, he repeated what the PHO said on Monday, that we should be vaccinated by Canada Day - ie by the end of June.
That's good. I do hope that they figure out the sign-up process a bit better in our local health authority, though. Seems like someone fucked up.
The problem was with the service provider (Telus). Vancouver Coastal doesn't have its own call centre (all others do) and Telus assured them that it could handle the call volume - Telus has apologized and it looks like they have fixed whatever their technical problem was on Monday.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 10, 2021, 10:51:21 AM
The problem was with the service provider (Telus). Vancouver Coastal doesn't have its own call centre (all others do) and Telus assured them that it could handle the call volume - Telus has apologized and it looks like they have fixed whatever their technical problem was on Monday.
Oh that's good to hear.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 10, 2021, 12:29:21 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on March 09, 2021, 11:56:30 PM
I'm in the non-prioritized group and my county is vaccinating groups 1A and 1B, so we're probably not getting it until April or May at the earliest.
Groups 1A and 1B are so fucking goofy. There's no goddamn group 2, or 3, ,or 4. 1B is the bottom of the barrel. :lol:
Actually, it's 1A, 1B, 1C, and 2. :nerd:
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/health/novel-coronavirus/vaccine
I got a haircut appointment on Friday. Almost as coveted as a vaccination appointment after two and a half months of lockdown.
Still not possible to book vaccination.
Vaccine first, haircut later.
I've been trimming my hair for a year now.
Quote from: Iormlund on March 10, 2021, 12:38:49 PM
Vaccine first, haircut later.
I've been trimming my hair for a year now.
My semi annual haircut is something I have grown to love.
I've decided to not trim my hair this lockdown and just let it grow - I am reaching the stage where I really need a hairband :ph34r:
But am very much looking forward to barbers re-opening in April.
I use a hair clip.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 10, 2021, 02:19:58 PM
I've decided to not trim my hair this lockdown and just let it grow - I am reaching the stage where I really need a hairband :ph34r:
But am very much looking forward to barbers re-opening in April.
I have become uncomfortable with short hair now. I much prefer it longer. As does Mrs. CC since that was the state of my hair when we first met. Others in my office, not so much. I bug them that they are not in the army - their hair looks so much shorter to me now, but in truth they have always had their hair that short.
Finally I'm coming back in fashion
I hate long hair - it gets in your eyes, plus it displays all my grey hair.
During the first lockdown we borrowed someone's clippers and I used that.
When they announced the fall lockdown starting in a couple of days I immediately went and got a nice short haircut that day to last me through. Barbers and the like have been open again here since February.
Quote from: Tyr on March 10, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
Finally I'm coming back in fashion
:lol:
Scarily if I brush my hair it naturaly falls into late-90s curtains :ph34r:
My brother managed to get his 1st dose today, as he just learned a couple of days ago that in Austria those that live in the same house than a pregnant woman are being prioritised. Given that my sister in law is due by the end of next week if he had been any slower he wouldn't be able to sneak in anymore. :P
I have an appointment this Friday for my 1st dose at a local site with the health care company I work for. I didn't sign up early on, waited to see my doctor since I'm on blood thinners and wanted to get the ok. I figured the hospitals would have vaccines more and more, not less. So I missed out by a few weeks as they they ran out of vaccines and were only doing second shots. Some of the process and vaccines were shifted to mass vaccination sites in Massachusetts. I tried signing up at the State sites but they were either booked up or waiting on vaccines.
However, over the last couple of weeks the local hospital clinic at the office building I used to work at was open and doing vaccinations. They were out of vaccines when I first called so I waited as I was told that by April they expected to be going again. Then this week I got an email from someone I work with that the clinic had supplies, was open again. Called that morning and a couple hours later got a call back and an appointment.
Glad that I'm getting the shot soon, was wondering if I'd wind up waiting a few months or more for vaccine supplies to become more plentiful.
European Covid deaths per million, divided into 1st wave (till May) and second wave (from November).
(https://images.derstandard.at/t/13/livebericht/2000124857528/45204a54-4fa8-4987-87f4-8e87f9fad550.jpg)
Dang, you go Finland. :cheers:
I meant to post this in the other Covid thread.
Quote from: Liep on March 08, 2021, 02:23:51 PM
but maybe in late April.
With the latest "pause" of AstraZeneca vaccines because of likely unrelated deaths they have postponed that date to late May.
Monday I had my age group originated offer of vaccination letter, it's taken me till today to get a useful appointment, Saturday after next in the next small town 5 miles away.
Going through the NHS website or national phone-line, I was only being offered places at the large centres in the Bournemouth-Poole conurbation, which is much further away and I'd have to use public transport, something I'm trying to avoid because of vulnerable family members.
Initial vaccinations are going faster than anticipated. The next group gets to start booking today, instead of waiting for Monday. All good signs :)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 11, 2021, 02:01:45 AM
Dang, you go Finland. :cheers:
Heh, yeah. Must be too cold for the Covid. ;) That reminds me of the state of Maine which had very low rates early on. Not sure how they've fared over all now in the longer term.
Mrs. CC gets her first jab tomorrow morning :punk:
:cheers:
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 12, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
Mrs. CC gets her first jab tomorrow morning :punk:
:showoff:
Good for her!
Montreal county is now at large 65+.
I might have to reconsider my september timeline.
Just got my first shot. Scheduled in April for the second one. I feel fine, so far no after affects.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 12, 2021, 02:13:16 PM
Montreal county is now at large 65+.
I might have to reconsider my september timeline.
But for first shots only.
If they stick to a 4 month delay you might be looking at more like October before getting your second.
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2021, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 12, 2021, 02:13:16 PM
Montreal county is now at large 65+.
I might have to reconsider my september timeline.
But for first shots only.
If they stick to a 4 month delay you might be looking at more like October before getting your second.
Right, I'm always talking the 1st shot. 2nd doesn't really matter, imo.
Also, I expect for us young people (;)) that we'll get the J&J vaccine.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 12, 2021, 02:45:35 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2021, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 12, 2021, 02:13:16 PM
Montreal county is now at large 65+.
I might have to reconsider my september timeline.
But for first shots only.
If they stick to a 4 month delay you might be looking at more like October before getting your second.
Right, I'm always talking the 1st shot. 2nd doesn't really matter, imo.
Also, I expect for us young people (;)) that we'll get the J&J vaccine.
Yeah, the protection comes with the first. The second is not as relevant so long as it is taken in time to provide lasting protection.
I scheduled my vaccination, the first dose is this Saturday. I was so excited to find an open slot in Vineland, NJ that I didn't check where it was. Turns out it's 125 miles away from where I am. Oh, well, it's been a while since I took a road trip.
Quote from: DGuller on March 16, 2021, 01:16:37 AM
I scheduled my vaccination, the first dose is this Saturday. I was so excited to find an open slot in Vineland, NJ that I didn't check where it was. Turns out it's 125 miles away from where I am. Oh, well, it's been a while since I took a road trip.
My first dose is also this Saturday, 7 miles by bike up the road from here; fancy a virtual race? :D
Quote from: DGuller on March 16, 2021, 01:16:37 AM
I scheduled my vaccination, the first dose is this Saturday. I was so excited to find an open slot in Vineland, NJ that I didn't check where it was. Turns out it's 125 miles away from where I am. Oh, well, it's been a while since I took a road trip.
And how the fuck did you jump the line? :huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 16, 2021, 02:21:10 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 16, 2021, 01:16:37 AM
I scheduled my vaccination, the first dose is this Saturday. I was so excited to find an open slot in Vineland, NJ that I didn't check where it was. Turns out it's 125 miles away from where I am. Oh, well, it's been a while since I took a road trip.
And how the fuck did you jump the line? :huh:
I didn't jump the line. In New Jersey, starting March 15, merely overweight are eligible for a vaccine. I weigh in at 26 BMI, so I (barely) qualify.
Quote from: DGuller on March 16, 2021, 01:16:37 AM
I scheduled my vaccination, the first dose is this Saturday. I was so excited to find an open slot in Vineland, NJ that I didn't check where it was. Turns out it's 125 miles away from where I am. Oh, well, it's been a while since I took a road trip.
Visit Banana while you're there. :)
I work for J&J - Janssen Covid-19 taskforce, and I couldn't even cut in line. <_< So unfrench of them.
Nearly all of my close family have now had the vaccine. Just one of my sisters and I left to go.
My dad is getting his Saturday.
Whilst my mam had to go to a hospital he is just going to the GPs office.
I guess this means he is getting astra.
I wonder if theres any thought or pattern to who gets which, him being pretty healthy.
My father and his g/f are both getting theirs around mid-April. I still have to wait a little longer, but the govt has predicted every adult (who wants it) would get their vaccine by June 24th.
Quote from: Zoupa on March 17, 2021, 03:25:53 AM
I work for J&J - Janssen Covid-19 taskforce, and I couldn't even cut in line. <_< So unfrench of them.
You've changed job lately? :)
But anyway, to skip line, the French way, you need to have good contacts with the higher ups in hte company or the govt. Just being a paeon for the big ones does not grant you the great socialist experience :P
I got my 2nd dose of Pfizer just now. Depressing lack of zombie-symptoms so far.
Quote from: viper37 on March 17, 2021, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on March 17, 2021, 03:25:53 AM
I work for J&J - Janssen Covid-19 taskforce, and I couldn't even cut in line. <_< So unfrench of them.
You've changed job lately? :)
But anyway, to skip line, the French way, you need to have good contacts with the higher ups in hte company or the govt. Just being a paeon for the big ones does not grant you the great socialist experience :P
Yeah, this whole pandemic left a sour taste in my mouth about retail pharmacy work.
That combined with the move out west was a good place to start working from home. Medical Information Specialist for the J&J vaccine.
Quote from: PDH on March 17, 2021, 02:27:16 PM
I got my 2nd dose of Pfizer just now. Depressing lack of zombie-symptoms so far.
Gotta wait until tomorrow. Super power and/or zombie-symptoms should hit within 24 hours, unless they gave you the weak version. Then you just feel like a zombie and can walk around like a super power.
Got mine today :w00t:
Distressing lack of zombie-ism. No side effect either shot. Tiny bit of soreness at injection site.
I feel gypped. I hope at least the 5G government tracking DNA changer microchip works.
Did you get a direct link to Bill Gates at least?
You know, I suddenly hate all things Crapple... I mean, Crapple.... I mean.... Cr... :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on March 18, 2021, 11:30:10 AM
You know, I suddenly hate all things Crapple... I mean, Crapple.... I mean.... Cr... :huh:
The true test will be when BB gets his jab.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 18, 2021, 09:12:55 AM
Got mine today :w00t:
No really bad side-effects. But it's a bit like the flu vaccine though (which I get every year because of my medication). Sore arm and I found sleeping last night very difficult - I had that thing where you feel very warm and very cold at the same time. And now feel like I'm a little bit flu-y but I'm not sure how much of that is the vaccine and how much is not sleeping properly.
All signs I suppose that the immune system is working which is good :lol:
Yeah sounds good. :)
My grandma just got hers as well. I wanted to tell my dad to talk to the GP while he was there at grandma, see if his Russian spot is still free as it was silly to decline it, but I was late by the time I called the doctor was gone. <_<
To be fair the GP (maybe just to be polite) considered my parents' concerns valid, especially due to my mother's various conditions he recommends Pfizer or Moderna, but of course told them he can't say when they will have the chance.
Quebec is now 65+
Getting there.
Austria: 4% fully immunized, 11% have received at least 1 shot.
Illinois will have vaccines available for every adult who wants one as of April 12th!!
:w00t: :yeah: :showoff:
Quote from: Tamas on March 19, 2021, 06:20:21 AM
Yeah sounds good. :)
Feel absolutely fine today. So basically the first 12 hours I was fine - just a bit of a sore arm. And then I got 24 hours of flu and then I'm fine again.
Yesterday was horrible though - and I had that very male desire to just moan about how ill I felt :lol:
24 hours after her Moderna shot my grandma is fine apart from her arm hurting a bit, but sadly at her age one more body part in pain barely registers. :)
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 19, 2021, 06:53:47 AM
Quebec is now 65+
Getting there.
with large corporations entering the fray, vaccination will definnately speed up now. Govt goal was to reach 250k/week once we had the supplies and we're very close to that.
Quote from: Tamas on March 20, 2021, 01:45:55 PM
24 hours after her Moderna shot my grandma is fine apart from her arm hurting a bit, but sadly at her age one more body part in pain barely registers. :)
Good news from Hungary delivered by Tamas. :blink:
:P
Just had my first shot of vaccine about 2 hours ago; very efficient process what with all of the volunteers etc. :bowler:
I just got my first jab, still waiting for my 15 minutes to be up. The pinch felt so inconsequential that I'm now hoping for just a little side effects, or I'm going to wonder whether I actually got any vaccine where it needs to be.
Damn. You guys are going fast. I don't expect a shot before June, and I'm in the at-risk category. We're still vaccinating 80 year olds (though admittedly we have a lot of them).
Quote from: mongers on March 20, 2021, 02:21:01 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 20, 2021, 01:45:55 PM
24 hours after her Moderna shot my grandma is fine apart from her arm hurting a bit, but sadly at her age one more body part in pain barely registers. :)
Good news from Hungary delivered by Tamas. :blink:
:P
Just had my first shot of vaccine about 2 hours ago; very efficient process what with all of the volunteers etc. :bowler:
What? :P
Good news on your jab. I guess I am now looking at something like late May/early June at best.
Quote from: Iormlund on March 20, 2021, 03:03:57 PM
Damn. You guys are going fast. I don't expect a shot before June, and I'm in the at-risk category. We're still vaccinating 80 year olds (though admittedly we have a lot of them).
We're definitely faster than most places not named Israel, but at the same time in New Jersey priorities are probably expanded too quickly. It is very hard to book a vaccination appointment, and I think I got very lucky by stumbling upon them in a pharmacy two hours away at just the right time. If it's very hard to book an appointment, then the government is probably not strict enough on priorities (not that anyone is actually checking, it's really up to your conscience whether you belong to eligible groups or not).
Quote from: merithyn on March 19, 2021, 02:55:12 PM
Illinois will have vaccines available for every adult who wants one as of April 12th!!
:w00t: :yeah: :showoff:
Massachusetts is starting that soon also, not sure when. I saw that Vermont is also soon to start vaccinating all age groups.
Quote from: DGuller on March 20, 2021, 06:27:08 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 20, 2021, 03:03:57 PM
Damn. You guys are going fast. I don't expect a shot before June, and I'm in the at-risk category. We're still vaccinating 80 year olds (though admittedly we have a lot of them).
We're definitely faster than most places not named Israel, but at the same time in New Jersey priorities are probably expanded too quickly. It is very hard to book a vaccination appointment, and I think I got very lucky by stumbling upon them in a pharmacy two hours away at just the right time. If it's very hard to book an appointment, then the government is probably not strict enough on priorities (not that anyone is actually checking, it's really up to your conscience whether you belong to eligible groups or not).
Same in New York - I was qualified as a school employee since I was a sports official. I was worried about how to "prove" that, since as an official we don't get a paystub, which was what I was told to bring on the website. So I got a bunch of cancelled checks from last year, my schedule from this year, a letter from our organization saying I was an official.
They didn't ask to see any of it. Just my ID to make sure I was who I said I was, and that was it.
Quote from: KRonn on March 20, 2021, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: merithyn on March 19, 2021, 02:55:12 PM
Illinois will have vaccines available for every adult who wants one as of April 12th!!
:w00t: :yeah: :showoff:
Massachusetts is starting that soon also, not sure when. I saw that Vermont is also soon to start vaccinating all age groups.
Isn't the population of Vermont like....500 people?
Quote from: Berkut on March 20, 2021, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: KRonn on March 20, 2021, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: merithyn on March 19, 2021, 02:55:12 PM
Illinois will have vaccines available for every adult who wants one as of April 12th!!
:w00t: :yeah: :showoff:
Massachusetts is starting that soon also, not sure when. I saw that Vermont is also soon to start vaccinating all age groups.
Isn't the population of Vermont like....500 people?
Hehe, it is pretty small in pop, and I think they've had deaths numbered in the 200s which is obviously low compared to many other states. Same for Maine the last I heard the stats a while ago. Vermont is a very pretty state, wooded hills and some great skiing.
Quote from: Berkut on March 20, 2021, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: KRonn on March 20, 2021, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: merithyn on March 19, 2021, 02:55:12 PM
Illinois will have vaccines available for every adult who wants one as of April 12th!!
:w00t: :yeah: :showoff:
Massachusetts is starting that soon also, not sure when. I saw that Vermont is also soon to start vaccinating all age groups.
Isn't the population of Vermont like....500 people?
That's Wyoming.
Vermont has about 630k in population. I know this because it is 45 mins away from my house.
So when are people's 'due' dates for the 2nd shot, assuming you've not already had it?
My 12 week gap here in the UK, means hopefully I'll have the 2nd by the 12th June. Still a long way off.
Quote from: mongers on March 21, 2021, 04:53:34 PM
So when are people's 'due' dates for the 2nd shot, assuming you've not already had it?
My 12 week gap here in the UK, means hopefully I'll have the 2nd by the 12th June. Still a long way off.
I think 8 June. Just under 12 weeks. Hopefully there'll be far fewer supply issues and we can finish all the second doses and keep getting new people done (I understand April is basically going to be mainly second doses).
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 21, 2021, 05:03:48 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 21, 2021, 04:53:34 PM
So when are people's 'due' dates for the 2nd shot, assuming you've not already had it?
My 12 week gap here in the UK, means hopefully I'll have the 2nd by the 12th June. Still a long way off.
I think 8 June. Just under 12 weeks. Hopefully there'll be far fewer supply issues and we can finish all the second doses and keep getting new people done (I understand April is basically going to be mainly second doses).
Oh that's good, I guess because you booked on-line?
I had to use the local doctors surgery to get anywhere sensible, so I'm reliant on them phoning or writing to me.
Yeah. I booked online so chose the date and location for my first and second shot.
But I got sent so many texts about booking - which is a good thing :lol:
I actually booked because my mum told me she'd just booked hers and they'd invited the next group (which included me). But I got a text from my GP on the day I could book online, then a text from the central NHS booking service telling me I could book online or through their switchboard and then a text from my GP saying they had slots available in the next few days and that I could phone them to book.
That's all stopped now that I've actually got the jab. It reminds me of my mum hassling until I've actually bought tickets to visit them, even if I've said I would :lol:
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 21, 2021, 05:27:32 PM
Yeah. I booked online so chose the date and location for my first and second shot.
But I got sent so many texts about booking - which is a good thing :lol:
I actually booked because my mum told me she'd just booked hers and they'd invited the next group (which included me). But I got a text from my GP on the day I could book online, then a text from the central NHS booking service telling me I could book online or through their switchboard and then a text from my GP saying they had slots available in the next few days and that I could phone them to book.
That's all stopped now that I've actually got the jab. It reminds me of my mum hassling until I've actually bought tickets to visit them, even if I've said I would :lol:
The NHS is the nation's big Mum. ;)
Quote from: mongers on March 21, 2021, 04:53:34 PM
So when are people's 'due' dates for the 2nd shot, assuming you've not already had it?
My 12 week gap here in the UK, means hopefully I'll have the 2nd by the 12th June. Still a long way off.
Exactly three weeks after for me. When I scheduled my vaccination, I was scheduled for two appointments right away.
Quote from: mongers on March 21, 2021, 04:53:34 PM
So when are people's 'due' dates for the 2nd shot, assuming you've not already had it?
My 12 week gap here in the UK, means hopefully I'll have the 2nd by the 12th June. Still a long way off.
August-September.
Just got my first shot.
Quote from: mongers on March 21, 2021, 04:53:34 PM
So when are people's 'due' dates for the 2nd shot, assuming you've not already had it?
My 12 week gap here in the UK, means hopefully I'll have the 2nd by the 12th June. Still a long way off.
April 5th. So it will have been four weeks between shots.
As of this morning, 24% of Illinois has had the first jab. I think it's something like 15% or 16% that are fully vaccinated.
Starting to feel like we may be coming to the end of this mess... one hopes.
State broadcaster ORF asked the Austrian states (they manage the vaccination campaigns) about when certain demographics could expect to receive their vaccinations.
According to current info Vienna plans to cover my group "starting June or July".
:bleeding:
UCSC Health Center gave me and my team 1st and 2nd shots of the Pfizer already - two weeks apart (the Moderna people were 3 weeks apart). On the 31st of this month I will be at "invincible" status.
Quote from: PDH on March 22, 2021, 11:55:02 AM
UCSC Health Center gave me and my team 1st and 2nd shots of the Pfizer already - two weeks apart (the Moderna people were 3 weeks apart). On the 31st of this month I will be at "invincible" status.
great news :)
I can't see having my 1st vaccine shot before May. :(
I have my appointment to get my 1st Pfizer shot today.
Mom got an appointment for getting her first AZ shot next week.
She doesn't want to go and has fired back at me with the yank news disputing the trials today. She's always so damn prepared :lol: :(
In France, vaccinations should be opened, from Saturday on, to people without comorbidities over 70 year old. Previously, only 75+.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 23, 2021, 12:34:40 PM
In France, vaccinations should be opened, from Saturday on, to people without comorbidities over 70 year old. Previously, only 75+.
I think they just opened for +80 here... still no sign of them using AZ again and the newspapers are full of stories about alleged side effects.
Quote from: Liep on March 23, 2021, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 23, 2021, 12:34:40 PM
In France, vaccinations should be opened, from Saturday on, to people without comorbidities over 70 year old. Previously, only 75+.
I think they just opened for +80 here... still no sign of them using AZ again and the newspapers are full of stories about alleged side effects.
It's really irresponsible journalism.
Quote from: Tamas on March 23, 2021, 12:46:35 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 23, 2021, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 23, 2021, 12:34:40 PM
In France, vaccinations should be opened, from Saturday on, to people without comorbidities over 70 year old. Previously, only 75+.
I think they just opened for +80 here... still no sign of them using AZ again and the newspapers are full of stories about alleged side effects.
It's really irresponsible journalism.
Today's 'news' is tomorrow fish and chips wrappings.
And in this crisis will be next month's obituaries.
AZ scare has run out here, I think it's mainly because we don't have any left and don't expect any before next week.
I am in the second priority group in Germany and got an appointment for AstraZeneca on Monday and a second shot in June.
Got AZ now. The website to get an appointment is a disaster, but when you actually show up at the central vaccination centre, the process is smoothly organised. I got the feeling that they could handle significantly higher throughput. Not sure what the constraint is, maybe vaccine, maybe some other organisational issue not visible to a patient.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/03/29/vaccine-effective-essential-workers-study/
:w00t:
Quote from: merithyn on March 29, 2021, 11:22:08 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/03/29/vaccine-effective-essential-workers-study/
:w00t:
QuoteAmong 2,479 fully vaccinated people, just three had confirmed infections. Among 477 people who received one dose, eight infections were reported.
By comparison, among 994 people who were not vaccinated, 161 developed infections.
I really am quite special.
What's horrifying is that 161 out of 994 unvaccinated essential workers developed an infection over a period of just a couple of months. They were essentially cannon fodder.
So my mom's master plan is to postpone her vaccination appointment alleging family matters*, get on the back of the queue and since AZ is yet again missing their deliveries, hope to get some other vaccine when it's her turn again :hmm:
I don't think it's particularly foolproof, but it buys me time to convince her at least.
*To be honest, there's a pretty decent chance we'll have to attend a funeral that day :(
Quote from: Berkut on March 29, 2021, 11:55:58 AM
Quote from: merithyn on March 29, 2021, 11:22:08 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/03/29/vaccine-effective-essential-workers-study/
:w00t:
QuoteAmong 2,479 fully vaccinated people, just three had confirmed infections. Among 477 people who received one dose, eight infections were reported.
By comparison, among 994 people who were not vaccinated, 161 developed infections.
I really am quite special.
:console:
Germany just quashed any hope I had of my mother getting her AZ shot tomorrow. :sleep:
Quote from: celedhring on March 29, 2021, 01:10:55 PM
So my mom's master plan is to postpone her vaccination appointment alleging family matters*, get on the back of the queue and since AZ is yet again missing their deliveries, hope to get some other vaccine when it's her turn again :hmm:
I don't think it's particularly foolproof, but it buys me time to convince her at least.
*To be honest, there's a pretty decent chance we'll have to attend a funeral that day :(
What's her deal? She just wants to avoid the AZ one?
Quote from: celedhring on March 30, 2021, 07:50:33 AM
Germany just quashed any hope I had of my mother getting her AZ shot tomorrow. :sleep:
:lol: Also Canada :(
New York announced that anyone over 30 can sign up for vaccination, and starting April 6 anyone over 16.
Quote from: The Larch on March 30, 2021, 08:02:01 AM
Quote from: celedhring on March 29, 2021, 01:10:55 PM
So my mom's master plan is to postpone her vaccination appointment alleging family matters*, get on the back of the queue and since AZ is yet again missing their deliveries, hope to get some other vaccine when it's her turn again :hmm:
I don't think it's particularly foolproof, but it buys me time to convince her at least.
*To be honest, there's a pretty decent chance we'll have to attend a funeral that day :(
What's her deal? She just wants to avoid the AZ one?
She is not the only one...
Quote from: The Larch on March 30, 2021, 08:02:01 AM
Quote from: celedhring on March 29, 2021, 01:10:55 PM
So my mom's master plan is to postpone her vaccination appointment alleging family matters*, get on the back of the queue and since AZ is yet again missing their deliveries, hope to get some other vaccine when it's her turn again :hmm:
I don't think it's particularly foolproof, but it buys me time to convince her at least.
*To be honest, there's a pretty decent chance we'll have to attend a funeral that day :(
What's her deal? She just wants to avoid the AZ one?
Yes, she's fine with getting any of the others. But she's a bit paranoid about the whole blood clot thing.
Quote from: celedhring on March 30, 2021, 08:44:32 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 30, 2021, 08:02:01 AM
Quote from: celedhring on March 29, 2021, 01:10:55 PM
So my mom's master plan is to postpone her vaccination appointment alleging family matters*, get on the back of the queue and since AZ is yet again missing their deliveries, hope to get some other vaccine when it's her turn again :hmm:
I don't think it's particularly foolproof, but it buys me time to convince her at least.
*To be honest, there's a pretty decent chance we'll have to attend a funeral that day :(
What's her deal? She just wants to avoid the AZ one?
Yes, she's fine with getting any of the others. But she's a bit paranoid about the whole blood clot thing.
How old is she? IIRC the blood clots affected mostly younger women. In fact some places have even restricted its use for women under 55, I think.
Sheilbh half mentioned it but Canada has stop using the AZ for anyone under 55.
We currently don't have any to administrer. Should get 1.5 million today on loan from the USA.
Btw, thank you Berkut for making that happen.
Don't worry, I suspect we won't be asking for any of it back.
Booked in for Thursday afternoon. :cool:
Quote from: The Larch on March 30, 2021, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: celedhring on March 30, 2021, 08:44:32 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 30, 2021, 08:02:01 AM
Quote from: celedhring on March 29, 2021, 01:10:55 PM
So my mom's master plan is to postpone her vaccination appointment alleging family matters*, get on the back of the queue and since AZ is yet again missing their deliveries, hope to get some other vaccine when it's her turn again :hmm:
I don't think it's particularly foolproof, but it buys me time to convince her at least.
*To be honest, there's a pretty decent chance we'll have to attend a funeral that day :(
What's her deal? She just wants to avoid the AZ one?
Yes, she's fine with getting any of the others. But she's a bit paranoid about the whole blood clot thing.
How old is she? IIRC the blood clots affected mostly younger women. In fact some places have even restricted its use to women under 55, I think.
She's 64, but she's a bit of a hypochondriac. That said, she's been suffering from unexplained migraines for years, and she's always been very afraid of being more susceptible to strokes.
Quote from: Tamas on March 30, 2021, 10:02:18 AM
Booked in for Thursday afternoon. :cool:
:yeah:
Which one? I got Pfizer. Second dose scheduled for April 14th.
Quote from: Valmy on March 30, 2021, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 30, 2021, 10:02:18 AM
Booked in for Thursday afternoon. :cool:
:yeah:
Which one? I got Pfizer. Second dose scheduled for April 14th.
They don't say but AZ is pretty much guaranteed and what I have resigned myself to. Probably going to ruin most of my Easter long weekend. :P But worth it.
For what it's worth my reaction was basically over in 36 hours. First 12 hours just a sore arm, then 24 hours of flu and then fine but slight sore arm.
I've heard similar from a few people.
I'm still a little paranoid that my first and so far only shot wasn't effective. You'd think a needle in the muscle would feel more than a slight pinch, and while my arm was mildly sore for a day or two, it wasn't anything that I would make note of if I didn't know to expect it.
Quote from: DGuller on March 30, 2021, 10:39:57 AM
I'm still a little paranoid that my first and so far only shot wasn't effective. You'd think a needle in the muscle would feel more than a slight pinch, and while my arm was mildly sore for a day or two, it wasn't anything that I would make note of if I didn't know to expect it.
I was very surprised how small the feeling was as well. Especially as flu shots usually hit me pretty hard.
This one was a tiny pinch and then nothing really of note. Granted I spent the rest of the day ripping sod up on the side of my house as we are redoing a big section of our backyard so if my arm was sore I didn't notice as everything was sore.
Quote from: DGuller on March 30, 2021, 10:39:57 AM
I'm still a little paranoid that my first and so far only shot wasn't effective. You'd think a needle in the muscle would feel more than a slight pinch, and while my arm was mildly sore for a day or two, it wasn't anything that I would make note of if I didn't know to expect it.
That's normally what the flu vaccine is like for me so what I was expecting. I was very blase.
The most annoying thing was it knocked me out for a day and if something like that happens - or I feel unwell - I'll take the day and feel cosy at home. Be very lazy, eat comfort food, lie down on the sofa and watch TV etc. That didn't feel special given that it's all I've done for the last six months already thanks to covid <_<
Today is peak immunity day for me - 2 weeks since my 2nd jab of the Pfizer. I plan to return to licking doorknobs again.
Quote from: PDH on March 31, 2021, 09:43:26 AM
Today is peak immunity day for me - 2 weeks since my 2nd jab of the Pfizer. I plan to return to licking doorknobs again.
The thoughts that went through my mind on this....
You're very lucky I'm a lady... for the most part. ;)
Get your mind out of the gutter....and back into the sewer where it belongs.
Quote from: merithyn on March 31, 2021, 10:02:15 AM
Quote from: PDH on March 31, 2021, 09:43:26 AM
Today is peak immunity day for me - 2 weeks since my 2nd jab of the Pfizer. I plan to return to licking doorknobs again.
The thoughts that went through my mind on this....
You're very lucky I'm a lady... for the most part. ;)
:hmm: :hmm:
Total aside but I was surprised that there was zero mention of it taking two weeks to get any sort of immunity when I got mine.
They had various questions at the start for the on-call doctor to review and clear the vaccine. And all of mine were easy - no allergies, no history of blood clotting or thinning medication, any other medications etc. Then they gave me the jab and that was about it.
They didn't explain that I wouldn't have any extra immunity for about 10 days which I think they probably should so people don't just start behaving as normal immediately after getting the vaccine :mellow: :hmm:
As of yesterday people in the Lower Mainland (Basically greater Vancouver) aged 55-65 can get their jab. I am less than a year of age off....
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 31, 2021, 10:38:46 AM
Total aside but I was surprised that there was zero mention of it taking two weeks to get any sort of immunity when I got mine.
They had various questions at the start for the on-call doctor to review and clear the vaccine. And all of mine were easy - no allergies, no history of blood clotting or thinning medication, any other medications etc. Then they gave me the jab and that was about it.
They didn't explain that I wouldn't have any extra immunity for about 10 days which I think they probably should so people don't just start behaving as normal immediately after getting the vaccine :mellow: :hmm:
Well we all know people do stuff wrong over there: Drive on the left, calling elevators "cabbages" or something, waiting 9 months between doses of vaccine.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 31, 2021, 10:38:46 AM
Total aside but I was surprised that there was zero mention of it taking two weeks to get any sort of immunity when I got mine.
They had various questions at the start for the on-call doctor to review and clear the vaccine. And all of mine were easy - no allergies, no history of blood clotting or thinning medication, any other medications etc. Then they gave me the jab and that was about it.
They didn't explain that I wouldn't have any extra immunity for about 10 days which I think they probably should so people don't just start behaving as normal immediately after getting the vaccine :mellow: :hmm:
Same here, and I was very surprised. It seems like a very important piece of information to give to people. I googled it for myself, but this isn't the kind of information people should be googling for.
When Ms. CC got her jab she was told it could take up to three weeks before the shot would become fully effective - and even after that point, it was recommended to continue to comply with all COVID restrictions, because the vaccine is not 100% effective.
I just got my second shot. There were still troops at the place. :hmm:
Got mine (AZ) about 40 minutes ago. Still alive, so so far so good.
Already reaching the early 40s, wow.
Quote from: Tamas on April 01, 2021, 10:11:28 AM
Got mine (AZ) about 40 minutes ago. Still alive, so so far so good.
:lol: :w00t:
Unfortunately you do now emit 5G signal for your area :console:
Quote from: Tamas on April 01, 2021, 10:11:28 AM
Got mine (AZ) about 40 minutes ago. Still alive, so so far so good.
Just to be on the safe side, drink a lot of alcohol this evening to thin your blood out.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 01, 2021, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: Tamas on April 01, 2021, 10:11:28 AM
Got mine (AZ) about 40 minutes ago. Still alive, so so far so good.
:lol: :w00t:
Unfortunately you do now emit 5G signal for your area :console:
:thumbsdown:
What a one-sided view. Better 5G for free, courtesy of Bill Gates.
Quote from: mongers on April 01, 2021, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: Tamas on April 01, 2021, 10:11:28 AM
Got mine (AZ) about 40 minutes ago. Still alive, so so far so good.
Just to be on the safe side, drink a lot of alcohol this evening to thin your blood out.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2021, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: merithyn on March 31, 2021, 10:02:15 AM
Quote from: PDH on March 31, 2021, 09:43:26 AM
Today is peak immunity day for me - 2 weeks since my 2nd jab of the Pfizer. I plan to return to licking doorknobs again.
The thoughts that went through my mind on this....
You're very lucky I'm a lady... for the most part. ;)
:hmm: :hmm:
Hush you. :mad:
Quote from: Tamas on April 01, 2021, 10:11:28 AM
Got mine (AZ) about 40 minutes ago. Still alive, so so far so good.
They're now vaccinating people without nostrils?
Quote from: merithyn on April 01, 2021, 10:57:48 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2021, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: merithyn on March 31, 2021, 10:02:15 AM
Quote from: PDH on March 31, 2021, 09:43:26 AM
Today is peak immunity day for me - 2 weeks since my 2nd jab of the Pfizer. I plan to return to licking doorknobs again.
The thoughts that went through my mind on this....
You're very lucky I'm a lady... for the most part. ;)
:hmm: :hmm:
Hush you. :mad:
:secret: :ph34r: :blush:
This is almost flirting, it should not be allowed on Languish. :mad:
Alternatively you three should get a room. :P
I am just kind of proud some of us know how to flirt :P
Quote from: mongers on April 01, 2021, 12:08:57 PM
This is almost flirting, it should not be allowed on Languish. :mad:
Alternatively you three should get a room. :P
:lol:
I'm too old for both of them. They like their women on the much, much, MUCH younger side. ;)
Quote from: merithyn on April 01, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 01, 2021, 12:08:57 PM
This is almost flirting, it should not be allowed on Languish. :mad:
Alternatively you three should get a room. :P
:lol:
I'm too old for both of them. They like their women on the much, much, MUCH younger side. ;)
I am not sure how to respond to such a comment. Given the realities we are both very aware of....
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2021, 12:53:39 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 01, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 01, 2021, 12:08:57 PM
This is almost flirting, it should not be allowed on Languish. :mad:
Alternatively you three should get a room. :P
:lol:
I'm too old for both of them. They like their women on the much, much, MUCH younger side. ;)
I am not sure how to respond to such a comment. Given the realities we are both very aware of....
HUSH YOU! :ultra:
Quote from: merithyn on April 01, 2021, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2021, 12:53:39 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 01, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 01, 2021, 12:08:57 PM
This is almost flirting, it should not be allowed on Languish. :mad:
Alternatively you three should get a room. :P
:lol:
I'm too old for both of them. They like their women on the much, much, MUCH younger side. ;)
I am not sure how to respond to such a comment. Given the realities we are both very aware of....
HUSH YOU! :ultra:
:whistle:
Clear teh air!!!
Let's definitely not do that. If there ever was a time and place to keep the air dirty, we're living in it here right now.
Quote from: DGuller on April 01, 2021, 01:22:09 PM
Let's definitely not do that. If there ever was a time and place to keep the air dirty, we're living in it here right now.
:lol:
I concur. :sleep:
Looks like I qualify to get the Astra Zeneca one. I'll probably sign up for it. I was hoping to get the J-J one, cause it's just one shot.
Got my first jab. Moderna.
Vaccinated yesterday courtesy of the fine State of Florida. Part one of Pfizer. Got my little card that's making the libertarians cry (wait until they discover state ID) . A few of my colleagues at work have their first jab and a sizeable number are espousing some version of the Conservative media led hesitancy/resistance. The real far out ones aren't saying a word, but we have low turnover and we've all worked together long enough to know where they are at.
First day after the AZ jab was fairly rough actually. I thought the worst of it was over by evening but then the fever-ish shivering restarted with a vengeance, so I spent the night well tucked in to try and sweat it out, which seem to have worked, as all symptoms apart from the arm being super-sensitive have ceased.
Quote from: Tamas on April 03, 2021, 08:22:33 AM
First day after the AZ jab was fairly rough actually. I thought the worst of it was over by evening but then the fever-ish shivering restarted with a vengeance, so I spent the night well tucked in to try and sweat it out, which seem to have worked, as all symptoms apart from the arm being super-sensitive have ceased.
Sounds like a good response, similar to what my brother had.
I just had a few hours of shivering/being too hot and that was it, which I felt wasn't enough.
Or maybe you just have a stronger constitution. :)
Pfft, it isn't even written down.
My 80 years old aunt got a AZ jab. Took 2 weeks for any symptoms to show up. They still linger but she told me it is mostly muscle soreness.
my dad and his g/f had their first shot yesterday, second is scheduled for July. Seeing as they are both outside chopping wood while I'm inside, still sick from another bronchitis, I'd say they did not suffer much adverse effects from this Pfizer shot.
Quote from: fromtia on April 02, 2021, 01:00:37 PM
Vaccinated yesterday courtesy of the fine State of Florida. Part one of Pfizer. Got my little card that's making the libertarians cry (wait until they discover state ID) . A few of my colleagues at work have their first jab and a sizeable number are espousing some version of the Conservative media led hesitancy/resistance. The real far out ones aren't saying a word, but we have low turnover and we've all worked together long enough to know where they are at.
Sorry for the partial hijack.
Are you still in Saint Augustine?
On topic, just got second dose of moderna last week. No real side effects other than mild fatigue. Should I be worried?
I got my Pfizer microchip installed vaccine shots in January. The first one just gave me a little fever for a few hours, but the second messed me up pretty bad. The chills were the worst; I just couldn't get warm at all, even with a heated blanket + heating pad + 4 or 5 more blankets on top. The first night was the really bad one where I thought I might need to go to the hospital, then I was just kinda cold the next night, then all was good. No weirdness after that.
I've been carefully watching the vaccination dates since I realized I was in the category for those being vaccinated now (those with risky pre-existing conditions). They're going to birth year.
Today they moved it up to those born in 1973 or earlier.
I'm a 1975 birth year.
<_<
Vaccinated today. :)
Quote from: alfred russel on April 06, 2021, 11:59:29 AM
Vaccinated today. :)
:cheers:
Soon you will be rock climbing internationally!
Just got my first shot.
Quote from: Barrister on April 06, 2021, 11:46:58 AM
I've been carefully watching the vaccination dates since I realized I was in the category for those being vaccinated now (those with risky pre-existing conditions). They're going to birth year.
Today they moved it up to those born in 1973 or earlier.
I'm a 1975 birth year.
<_<
So government today announced we're moving backwards, re-introducing some restrictions since numbers are climbing rapidly.
But they also announce that as of tomorrow the "pre-existing conditions" category is being expanded to all age categories as of tomorrow (after they were just gradually increased today).
So I'm going to try my luck to book a vaccine tomorrow. Will be tough since I'm also in trial. Also it's purely on the honour system (no doctor's note required) so I predict a huge mess trying to book online.
(I think I mentioned it before, but my pre-existing condition is not having a spleen)
I don't remember you mentioning it.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 06, 2021, 10:06:54 PM
I don't remember you mentioning it.
Well now I mentioned it. :mellow:
Well OK then.
I remember you mentioning aspleenia or something like that. :smarty:
My parents are a bit miffed at the moment regarding my region's vaccination strategy. They're both int he 65-75 age bracket, and my father has a pre-existing condition, but they're not scheduled yet to get their vaccines. My region only finished vaccination the over 80s this week, and started with the 75-79 and 60-65 age brackets right afterwards. Supposedly vaccinations are going to be much faster now, so maybe by the end of the month or may as the latest it'll be their turn.
There was a bit of a mess during the first day of mass vaccinations of these new groups after Easter, as some people turned up many hours ahead of schedule, and even days ahead.
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I got my second vaccination on Monday at noon. Was fine for around 24 hours then started dragging. The aches and pains started around the same time. By 36 hours, the fever kicked in. Fever broke overnight, but I can feel it coming on again now. My arm hurts, but no worse than any other bruises I've had. Now it's just this overall feeling of malaise.
Guess it's working? :unsure:
My dad had that experience after the second dose. The first dose was nothing, but the second dose made him feel legitimately sick for some time. He had the actual Covid as well a year ago, so I guess that doesn't count for much when it comes to avoiding the side effects. I'll find out for myself this Saturday. :ph34r:
Quote from: DGuller on April 07, 2021, 11:12:49 AM
My dad had that experience after the second dose. The first dose was nothing, but the second dose made him feel legitimately sick for some time. He had the actual Covid as well a year ago, so I guess that doesn't count for much when it comes to avoiding the side effects. I'll find out for myself this Saturday. :ph34r:
:hug:
I hope you're one of the ones who barely notices.
Appointment set for April 23. :ph34r:
I also have a call in to a local pharmacy - that may get me a quicker date.
Quote from: merithyn on April 07, 2021, 11:07:08 AM
I got my second vaccination on Monday at noon. Was fine for around 24 hours then started dragging. The aches and pains started around the same time. By 36 hours, the fever kicked in. Fever broke overnight, but I can feel it coming on again now. My arm hurts, but no worse than any other bruises I've had. Now it's just this overall feeling of malaise.
Guess it's working? :unsure:
That was my theory on day two after my first dose. On the one hand I feel awful and just want sympathy, on the other - at least my immune sytem's doing something which has to be a good sign :lol:
Lesson learned: Don't paint the pantry after the COVID vaccine. Fever spiked, cold sweats hit, and now I feel like absolute hell.
On the plus side, the pantry looks pretty good. :D
Can you post pics of your fancy pantry?
Quote from: Valmy on April 07, 2021, 12:30:09 PM
Can you post pics of your fancy pantry?
I honestly don't know how to do so anymore since I can't just post it here. :( I'll post them on Facebook. Can I share them here after I do that?
Quote from: merithyn on April 07, 2021, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 07, 2021, 12:30:09 PM
Can you post pics of your fancy pantry?
I honestly don't know how to do so anymore since I can't just post it here. :( I'll post them on Facebook. Can I share them here after I do that?
I usually post stuff to imgur and then link them since I am old fashioned and set in the 2003 way of doing things. I used to use photobucket but then they got all needy. I think you can use Facebook though. Just copy the image address.
Quote from: Valmy on April 07, 2021, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 07, 2021, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 07, 2021, 12:30:09 PM
Can you post pics of your fancy pantry?
I honestly don't know how to do so anymore since I can't just post it here. :( I'll post them on Facebook. Can I share them here after I do that?
I usually post stuff to imgur and then link them since I am old fashioned and set in the 2003 way of doing things. I used to use photobucket but then they got all needy. I think you can use Facebook though. Just copy the image address.
imgur got all bitchy with me. I don't know how it works, I posted some pictures on there, and a bunch of people I don't know told me that I was doing it wrong. So I don't go there anymore. :mad:
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Oh that does look nice.
I like your tile and the fact you are painting your house actual colors and not all the white shit HGTV keeps pushing on us.
And yeah IMGUR is confusing. They want to be like instagram and not just host pictures.
Quote from: Valmy on April 07, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Oh that does look nice.
I like your tile and the fact you are painting your house actual colors and not all the white shit HGTV keeps pushing on us.
And yeah IMGUR is confusing. They want to be like instagram and not just host pictures.
I despise white walls. :yucky:
I'm trying to decide if it's okay to go buy the trim tonight after work or no. :hmm: I'm not catchy, right? Even with a fever? :unsure:
Quote from: Valmy on April 07, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
And yeah IMGUR is confusing. They want to be like instagram and not just host pictures.
There's a setting for sharing your pictures with the community or not. If you share - even by accident - you may get comments. If you don't share, no comments.
We have a new online booking system where you can register to receive a jab even if you are not yet eligible. Then you get contacted when one comes available. This removes the lag between getting more vaccine and alerting the public to start booking - I am so close to the criteria of eligibility now, I am hoping to get a text soon to come on in....
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 07, 2021, 03:47:37 PM
We have a new online booking system where you can register to receive a jab even if you are not yet eligible. Then you get contacted when one comes available. This removes the lag between getting more vaccine and alerting the public to start booking - I am so close to the criteria of eligibility now, I am hoping to get a text soon to come on in....
Good luck!
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 07, 2021, 03:47:37 PM
We have a new online booking system where you can register to receive a jab even if you are not yet eligible. Then you get contacted when one comes available. This removes the lag between getting more vaccine and alerting the public to start booking - I am so close to the criteria of eligibility now, I am hoping to get a text soon to come on in....
You don't qualify for being vulnerable due to all the breathing issues you've had over the last few years?
Quote from: Barrister on April 08, 2021, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 07, 2021, 03:47:37 PM
We have a new online booking system where you can register to receive a jab even if you are not yet eligible. Then you get contacted when one comes available. This removes the lag between getting more vaccine and alerting the public to start booking - I am so close to the criteria of eligibility now, I am hoping to get a text soon to come on in....
You don't qualify for being vulnerable due to all the breathing issues you've had over the last few years?
I thought I would be, but looking into the details, I need to be on a certain list of medications - that I used to use. But two years ago I was able to come off them because my exercise regime was clearing out my lungs instead. The irony...
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 08, 2021, 11:06:18 AM
Quote from: Barrister on April 08, 2021, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 07, 2021, 03:47:37 PM
We have a new online booking system where you can register to receive a jab even if you are not yet eligible. Then you get contacted when one comes available. This removes the lag between getting more vaccine and alerting the public to start booking - I am so close to the criteria of eligibility now, I am hoping to get a text soon to come on in....
You don't qualify for being vulnerable due to all the breathing issues you've had over the last few years?
I thought I would be, but looking into the details, I need to be on a certain list of medications - that I used to use. But two years ago I was able to come off them because my exercise regime was clearing out my lungs instead. The irony...
Well I think you're much better off not being on those medicines rather than getting a vaccine a couple months earlier if you were. :hug:
I've been rattled to realize I was fit the criteria for being "immunocompromised", even if that means I can get a vaccine soon.
Got my first shot today. I made an appointment, filled out my paperwork online, got a QR code and the requested identifications... and they didn't look at any of that. They just asked me for my name and gave me a paper to fill out my information; and then the nurse took me to task at me for having illegible handwriting. <_<
;)
Next shot is in the beginning of May.
First shots for my Mom and Dad today. Pfizer-Biontech. Second shots in early May.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 09, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
First shots for my Mom and Dad today. Pfizer-Biontech. Second shots in early May.
:cool:
Hope you get your first soon, thought you're still a relative Languish
youngster middle-age dude.
The Fredericksburg, VA area health district has opened the vaccine to everybody, so I registered with the local hospital today and got the invite to schedule an invitation on the same day. Getting vaccinated with Pfizer on Tuesday. :showoff:
My alternative was heading out to rural Virginia near Lynchburg, where they have a bunch of appointment slots and are taking everybody, but that would have been a 3.5 hour drive one-way, so I'm glad I was able to get an appointment a little closer.
Well shit. Iowa must be getting hosed. CVS and Walgreens have been fully booked forever.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 09, 2021, 10:24:31 PM
Well shit. Iowa must be getting hosed. CVS and Walgreens have been fully booked forever.
Here CVS and Walgreens follow state guidelines, not the separate health districts, so they're still only vaccinating Group 1C, so I was checking the health district websites. Dunno how Iowa is doing it but that might be fruitful. You might also check county government websites or local university hospitals. Or keep mashing the F5 key on VaccineFinder.org. Good luck! :cheers:
My dad got his first Pfizer shot yesterday.
Mom got another SMS with an appointment for the AZ one (she skipped her first one), but there's no way to convince her atm, with all the blood clot reports.
I'm hoping all the bruhaha with AZ gets my parents vaccinated faster (they are in their late 60s).
As for myself, seeing how being immunocompromised is not a factor anymore, I'm guessing early July with the rest of my age cohort.
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Quote from: mongers on April 09, 2021, 06:11:12 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 09, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
First shots for my Mom and Dad today. Pfizer-Biontech. Second shots in early May.
:cool:
Hope you get your first soon, thought you're still a relative Languish youngster middle-age dude.
Vaccine eligibility-wise, I'm as old or good as an old teenager, so in theory, not until mid-June.
Sitting at the vaccination site post-jab. Very quick and efficient. Thank you Maryland!
Booked my father-in-law's vaccination this coming Friday. Allegedly it's Pfizer or Moderna. He's 65.
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 10, 2021, 09:28:49 AM
Sitting at the vaccination site post-jab. Very quick and efficient. Thank you Maryland!
I live near the Salisbury site and apparently they're vaccinating anyone who comes in. I walked by there yesterday and there was no outdoor line, so next to no wait. If you know anyone who isn't able to get an appointment yet let them know. I believe Hogan even suggested the same thing.
I got my second shot, and I definitely felt the pinch a lot more. Now I'm really wondering whether I got the first shot administered properly. :ph34r: Does anyone here inject people for a living? How easy is it to fuck up a jab like this?
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2021, 03:09:53 PM
I got my second shot, and I definitely felt the pinch a lot more. Now I'm really wondering whether I got the first shot administered properly. :ph34r: Does anyone here inject people for a living? How easy is it to fuck up a jab like this?
The only thing I can compare it to which I remember is a flu shot I got like a decade ago. Could barely feel the needle going in and was a bit confused it was over already. The covid jab was FAR more painful although again very brief. It depends on the person's skill I guess.
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2021, 03:09:53 PM
I got my second shot, and I definitely felt the pinch a lot more. Now I'm really wondering whether I got the first shot administered properly. :ph34r: Does anyone here inject people for a living? How easy is it to fuck up a jab like this?
Did they break the needle off in you? If they didn't, they didn't fuck the stick for something like this.... :lol:
Alberta announced today that health care workers are now eligible for the vaccine.
On the one hand that's great (Mrs B started a job working at a doctor's office part time so she qualifies), but on the other hand they're still nowhere near done with the last group they announced, so I'm not quite sure what they're doing.
Quote from: Maximus on April 10, 2021, 01:49:23 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 10, 2021, 09:28:49 AM
Sitting at the vaccination site post-jab. Very quick and efficient. Thank you Maryland!
I live near the Salisbury site and apparently they're vaccinating anyone who comes in. I walked by there yesterday and there was no outdoor line, so next to no wait. If you know anyone who isn't able to get an appointment yet let them know. I believe Hogan even suggested the same thing.
Good to know, I'll let some of my friends know. :bowler:
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2021, 03:09:53 PM
I got my second shot, and I definitely felt the pinch a lot more. Now I'm really wondering whether I got the first shot administered properly. :ph34r: Does anyone here inject people for a living? How easy is it to fuck up a jab like this?
My son is a phlebotomist so I asked him this. He said that pharmacists are the ones typically giving the shots, and they have minimal experience for the most part so they're not going to be nuanced. They can miss muscle and hit fatty tissue instead, move the needle to the side as it goes in so it tears more inner flesh than it needs to, etc.
For myself, the same pharmacist did both of my shots. The first one I barely noticed when it went in and came out but hurt a lot more over the next couple of days. The second one hurt both in and out but didn't hurt nearly as bad later that week.
Thanks! I guess my arm did hurt just a little some time after the first shot, so if it missed the muscle, it probably didn't miss completely. Or maybe it was the second pharmacist/doctor that was the brute, and made it more painful than it needed to be. Hopefully I'll get a fever tomorrow, so I'll feel more relaxed.
@cc and/or @Jacob, looking at the BC vax registration, I see:
Register
I'm born in 1961 or earlier (60+) or I'm Indigenous and born in 2003 or earlier (18+)
You can register now.
People who are clinically extremely vulnerable
You can register now.
I don't think that applies to you cc, so how did you manage to register?
Getting my #2 on Wednesday! Looking forward to it.
Quote from: PDH on March 31, 2021, 09:43:26 AM
Today is peak immunity day for me - 2 weeks since my 2nd jab of the Pfizer. I plan to return to licking doorknobs again.
wait you stopped?? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Valmy on April 10, 2021, 10:49:44 PM
Getting my #2 on Wednesday! Looking forward to it.
yeah second Pfizer is on Tuesday for me.
Quote from: Zoupa on April 10, 2021, 09:45:20 PM
@cc and/or @Jacob, looking at the BC vax registration, I see:
Register
I'm born in 1961 or earlier (60+) or I'm Indigenous and born in 2003 or earlier (18+)
You can register now.
People who are clinically extremely vulnerable
You can register now.
I don't think that applies to you cc, so how did you manage to register?
https://www.getvaccinated.gov.bc.ca/s/
I think they just put you in the backlog or something. I just looked at this (https://www2.gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated.html) - which seems to be what you're quoting. I've never seen that before.
I just went straight to the link I shared and registered. We did it for the entire family. Last night (at 1 AM) my father-in-law (he's the oldest in the household) got a text message saying that he could book an appointment, which we did for him this morning. Presumably they'll reach out to everyone as the the eligibility requirements move.
EDIT: I'm guessing the registration link I shared just spread virally and people went straight to it and registered, never knowing they weren't supposed to. Apparently more than 600,000 people have already registered, regardless of age or other eligibility. I don't really see the harm - and I don't think it puts anyone ahead in the queue - so if I were you I'd go ahead and register too.
Quote from: katmai on April 10, 2021, 10:51:50 PM
Quote from: PDH on March 31, 2021, 09:43:26 AM
Today is peak immunity day for me - 2 weeks since my 2nd jab of the Pfizer. I plan to return to licking doorknobs again.
wait you stopped?? :rolleyes:
Doorknobs covered in lead paint are harder and harder to come by. :(
Quote from: Rasputin on April 05, 2021, 02:52:00 AM
Are you still in Saint Augustine?
Yes.
What's fascinating to me, at work is that there is now a significant number of my colleagues vaccinated, and yet there is a vocal number of unvaccinated hesitant/deniers continuing to parrot tales of an aunt/friend in brooklyn/uncle in Missoura who have had a profound negative reaction to the vaccine. it's always someone known only distantly (if at all) and the reaction of the apocryphal acquaintance is weeks in bed, hospitalization, an arm numb of feeling for days et cetera. Doesn't matter that you may work alongside a dozen people, who you see everyday, walking around completely untroubled by their recent vaccination. That's immaterial. The sort of Conservative folk tales are much more indicative of the effects of the vaccine, and a reason to not take it. :hmm:
Quote from: fromtia on April 11, 2021, 06:29:24 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on April 05, 2021, 02:52:00 AM
Are you still in Saint Augustine?
Yes.
What's fascinating to me, at work is that there is now a significant number of my colleagues vaccinated, and yet there is a vocal number of unvaccinated hesitant/deniers continuing to parrot tales of an aunt/friend in brooklyn/uncle in Missoura who have had a profound negative reaction to the vaccine. it's always someone known only distantly (if at all) and the reaction of the apocryphal acquaintance is weeks in bed, hospitalization, an arm numb of feeling for days et cetera. Doesn't matter that you may work alongside a dozen people, who you see everyday, walking around completely untroubled by their recent vaccination. That's immaterial. The sort of Conservative folk tales are much more indicative of the effects of the vaccine, and a reason to not take it. :hmm:
Formtia, interesting first hand evidence; I've not encountered anyone spouting these 'folk tales', but then I'm not seeing many people and am actively avoiding all people I think might be anti-vaccination. :)
Quote from: fromtia on April 11, 2021, 06:29:24 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on April 05, 2021, 02:52:00 AM
Are you still in Saint Augustine?
Yes.
What's fascinating to me, at work is that there is now a significant number of my colleagues vaccinated, and yet there is a vocal number of unvaccinated hesitant/deniers continuing to parrot tales of an aunt/friend in brooklyn/uncle in Missoura who have had a profound negative reaction to the vaccine. it's always someone known only distantly (if at all) and the reaction of the apocryphal acquaintance is weeks in bed, hospitalization, an arm numb of feeling for days et cetera. Doesn't matter that you may work alongside a dozen people, who you see everyday, walking around completely untroubled by their recent vaccination. That's immaterial. The sort of Conservative folk tales are much more indicative of the effects of the vaccine, and a reason to not take it. :hmm:
I don't get the anti- vaxxers.
I'm in st Augustine a lot these days.
Quote from: mongers on April 11, 2021, 07:35:12 PM
Formtia, interesting first hand evidence; I've not encountered anyone spouting these 'folk tales', but then I'm not seeing many people and am actively avoiding all people I think might be anti-vaccination. :)
And among groups who've been offered the vaccine up-take is very, very high here. The hesitant have broadly been convinced in those groups and it's just a rump of anti-vaxxers. Still work to do on younger people but I think they'll get it when offered too.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 11, 2021, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 11, 2021, 07:35:12 PM
Formtia, interesting first hand evidence; I've not encountered anyone spouting these 'folk tales', but then I'm not seeing many people and am actively avoiding all people I think might be anti-vaccination. :)
And among groups who've been offered the vaccine up-take is very, very high here. The hesitant have broadly been convinced in those groups and it's just a rump of anti-vaxxers. Still work to do on younger people but I think they'll get it when offered too.
Yes I'm sure you're right. I was just thinking of one person who's into info wars/david Icke and so is someone I actively avoid. :bowler:
There's one or two others I can guess will have f'ing stupid opinions on Covid, so I'll assume they'll have poor hygiene/no mask wearing, so I'm not going near them.
Quote from: mongers on April 11, 2021, 07:35:12 PM
Formtia, interesting first hand evidence; I've not encountered anyone spouting these 'folk tales', but then I'm not seeing many people and am actively avoiding all people I think might be anti-vaccination. :)
The levels of vaccine hesitancy/conspiracy and covid denial are high here in the US among Republicans. I don't think it's a thing to the same extent in the UK.
Quote from: fromtia on April 12, 2021, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 11, 2021, 07:35:12 PM
Formtia, interesting first hand evidence; I've not encountered anyone spouting these 'folk tales', but then I'm not seeing many people and am actively avoiding all people I think might be anti-vaccination. :)
The levels of vaccine hesitancy/conspiracy and covid denial are high here in the US among Republicans. I don't think it's a thing to the same extent in the UK.
https://twitter.com/Nat_Herz/status/1380650464685879296?s=20
QuoteUm: Anchorage public health researchers have identified young, conservative men as especially vaccine hesitant. So they want to highlight erectile dysfunction as a long COVID symptom and created a "PROTECT YOUR ERECTION, GET THE INJECTION" meme
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Quote from: Rasputin on April 11, 2021, 09:05:42 PM
I don't get the anti- vaxxers.
I'm in st Augustine a lot these days.
Yeah its really odd. I think it's reasonable to describe vaccination as the number 3 public health triumph in human history, after cooking food and clean water. It's also odd how it's sort of metastasized into a right wing and Republican phenomenon, where twenty years ago it was sort of politically unmoored wealthy CA hippy bullshit. Good thing we didn't have facebook when we eradicated polio, we never would have done it.
DM me if you wish, we can get coffee.
Quote from: Zoupa on April 10, 2021, 09:45:20 PM
@cc and/or @Jacob, looking at the BC vax registration, I see:
Register
I'm born in 1961 or earlier (60+) or I'm Indigenous and born in 2003 or earlier (18+)
You can register now.
People who are clinically extremely vulnerable
You can register now.
I don't think that applies to you cc, so how did you manage to register?
You can register on the online system even if you are not now eligible. When you do become eligible you then get a text telling you to make your appointment. Right now there are about 800k registered who are not now eligible.
edit, or rather 800kish registered total and about 200kish of those who are now eligible.
BC just announced that as of today, my age cohort can get their vaccine - now waiting for the text to tell me where to go - I already have my confirmation number. :yeah:
By next Monday we will be vaccinating those born 1981 or earlier - there must have been an increase in supply. This is going faster than previously anticipated. :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Quote from: fromtia on April 12, 2021, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 11, 2021, 07:35:12 PM
Formtia, interesting first hand evidence; I've not encountered anyone spouting these 'folk tales', but then I'm not seeing many people and am actively avoiding all people I think might be anti-vaccination. :)
The levels of vaccine hesitancy/conspiracy and covid denial are high here in the US among Republicans. I don't think it's a thing to the same extent in the UK.
Which is bizarre because I always thought that anti-medicine anti-public health shit was mainly from leftwing hippies who see evil in all of big pharma's designs. Vile "western medicine" that should be rejected. But I guess conservatives decided that they should adopt hippy ideas. The world makes no sense.
Quote from: Valmy on April 13, 2021, 01:36:43 AM
Which is bizarre because I always thought that anti-medicine anti-public health shit was mainly from leftwing hippies who see evil in all of big pharma's designs. Vile "western medicine" that should be rejected. But I guess conservatives decided that they should adopt hippy ideas. The world makes no sense.
Well also the articles someone posted recently about the growing split between Republicans and corporate America.
Got my second vac shot last Friday and was just feeling a bit flushed Friday night. Saturday I was a bit light headed, felt like I had a low fever but thermometer didn't show that. I was tired and a bit "off" all day. Felt better Sunday but was tired. I took Monday off from work to rest up from the weekend. I feel fine now though.
It was about the same for me. The next day after the second dose, I had a slight headache, malaise, and felt like I had a fever but thermometer didn't show it. I think it all cleared up after a day.
Yeah, the malaise is what I felt also, like no ambition to do anything.
Got my first shot of Pfizer today! No major side effects. Just a feeling of being a bit tired, as well as a newfound undying love of our lizard people overlords.
I got the Moderna vaccine and the first shot didn't seem to affect me at all either. But from people I knew who had gotten both shots I was expecting the second one to have some effect, which it did as I posted. Wasn't too bad though.
2nd Pfizer shot today.
So last week, the first day I was eligible, I booked online with the big government vaccine website. The earliest they could give me was 2 weeks down the road - April 23. I also left my name with a local pharmacy - but they just said "we'll call you".
So they called today. I was excited - I figured they were telling me to get my butt down to the pharmacy. But no, they wanted to set up an appointment - for April 24.
Quote from: Barrister on April 14, 2021, 04:12:02 PM
So last week, the first day I was eligible, I booked online with the big government vaccine website. The earliest they could give me was 2 weeks down the road - April 23. I also left my name with a local pharmacy - but they just said "we'll call you".
So they called today. I was excited - I figured they were telling me to get my butt down to the pharmacy. But no, they wanted to set up an appointment - for April 24.
:(
Well, at least you've gotten appointments. Not everyone has gotten that far.
Quote from: merithyn on April 14, 2021, 05:14:52 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 14, 2021, 04:12:02 PM
So last week, the first day I was eligible, I booked online with the big government vaccine website. The earliest they could give me was 2 weeks down the road - April 23. I also left my name with a local pharmacy - but they just said "we'll call you".
So they called today. I was excited - I figured they were telling me to get my butt down to the pharmacy. But no, they wanted to set up an appointment - for April 24.
:(
Well, at least you've gotten appointments. Not everyone has gotten that far.
I know - for Canada I'm doing well. Most people I know haven't received it.
I got my second Pfizer shot today.
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I've had both of mine and yesterday was two weeks beyond my second one. Am I: also invincible.
The government is exploring letting people sign up to use the AZ vaccine but "doesn't expect it to be a popular option". I think they vastly underestimate our need for things to return as fast as possible to something resembling normality.
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2021, 10:59:22 AM
I've had both of mine and yesterday was two weeks beyond my second one. Am I: also invincible.
Yes.
My father got his first dose yesterday. My siblings have been vaccinated earlier as physicians. My partners parents have gotten their first dose now. Some colleagues and friends got it for various reasons, mainly due to close contact with vulnerable persons. So progress in my immediate environment is definitely noticeable.
My mom has just been summoned today to get her 1st shot this sunday afternoon. :)
Quote from: The Larch on April 15, 2021, 03:47:38 PM
My mom has just been summoned today to get her 1st shot this sunday afternoon. :)
:cheers:
Quote from: Valmy on April 14, 2021, 10:47:18 PM
I got my second Pfizer shot today.
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Wasn't he frozen to death 5 seconds later? :P
Great news for you lucky folks
https://twitter.com/elizacollins1/status/1382685621861416970
QuoteCDC identifies only 5,800 Covid-19 infections after the final vaccine, out of more than 66 million. And those who got it had mild cases.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on April 15, 2021, 10:09:22 PM
Wasn't he frozen to death 5 seconds later? :P
That was later in the movie :P
My jab appointment is now booked for Thursday. :)
Mrs B, despite being in the vastly inferior 2C vaccination category (she works part time in a doctor's office), has managed to get an appointment for Tuesday. Despite being in the hugely important 2B category (pre-existing condition) I'm still stuck with my appointment on Friday. :mad:
Quote from: The Larch on April 15, 2021, 03:47:38 PM
My mom has just been summoned today to get her 1st shot this sunday afternoon. :)
And she just received it. She got Moderna, apparently didn't have any reaction and is now scheduled to have her 2nd shot in 4 weeks.
I'm going out to get it in about 15 minutes. This seems like it's taking forever.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 19, 2021, 09:38:57 AM
I'm going out to get it in about 15 minutes. This seems like it's taking forever.
You're waiting in line outside the vaccination centre?
Quote from: mongers on April 19, 2021, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 19, 2021, 09:38:57 AM
I'm going out to get it in about 15 minutes. This seems like it's taking forever.
You're waiting in line outside the vaccination centre?
No, I live only about 5 miles from the place to get the vaccine. I drove up there and I was able to get it without any problems. When I said it's taking forever I mean it's taking forever to get access to the vaccine. The state of Missouri is the worst in the country for getting people the vaccine. The place I went did not appear to be run by the state, the army was doing this.
Things look a little brighter after the Health Board said yes to giving out AZ vaccine on a voluntary signup basis. Of course that process will probably not be ready for at least a month or two but still it's progress.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 19, 2021, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 19, 2021, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 19, 2021, 09:38:57 AM
I'm going out to get it in about 15 minutes. This seems like it's taking forever.
You're waiting in line outside the vaccination centre?
No, I live only about 5 miles from the place to get the vaccine. I drove up there and I was able to get it without any problems. When I said it's taking forever I mean it's taking forever to get access to the vaccine. The state of Missouri is the worst in the country for getting people the vaccine. The place I went did not appear to be run by the state, the army was doing this.
Ah, and the army element was probably making the final link that bit more efficient.
Good that you've got it now.
Mrs B got the vaccine today! :cool: #Moderna (she started working in a doctor's office and thus qualifies)
My appointment is coming up on Friday... :ph34r:
A friend of mine took a healthy dose of paracetamol on the night after getting the AZ jab on Sunday and seems like avoided all symptoms including arm ache. I wonder if that's a good thing or not.
Quote from: Barrister on April 19, 2021, 04:36:42 PM
Mrs B got the vaccine today! :cool: #Moderna (she started working in a doctor's office and thus qualifies)
My appointment is coming up on Friday... :ph34r:
BTW, my 99 years old grandma has gone through her two Moderna shots ok, I am sure you'll be fine as well. :)
Quote from: Tamas on April 20, 2021, 02:48:44 AM
A friend of mine took a healthy dose of paracetamol on the night after getting the AZ jab on Sunday and seems like avoided all symptoms including arm ache. I wonder if that's a good thing or not.
I don't know how much difference it makes but it sounds like when I take a paracetamol before going to bed if I've been out drinking/in the pub based on some rumour that it reduces the hangover :hmm:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 20, 2021, 06:18:28 AM
Quote from: Tamas on April 20, 2021, 02:48:44 AM
A friend of mine took a healthy dose of paracetamol on the night after getting the AZ jab on Sunday and seems like avoided all symptoms including arm ache. I wonder if that's a good thing or not.
I don't know how much difference it makes but it sounds like when I take a paracetamol before going to bed if I've been out drinking/in the pub based on some rumour that it reduces the hangover :hmm:
I recommend plenty of water next time, instead. Works wonders. :P
I do both for I am ageing :blush: :weep:
Quote from: Tamas on April 20, 2021, 06:20:02 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 20, 2021, 06:18:28 AM
Quote from: Tamas on April 20, 2021, 02:48:44 AM
A friend of mine took a healthy dose of paracetamol on the night after getting the AZ jab on Sunday and seems like avoided all symptoms including arm ache. I wonder if that's a good thing or not.
I don't know how much difference it makes but it sounds like when I take a paracetamol before going to bed if I've been out drinking/in the pub based on some rumour that it reduces the hangover :hmm:
I recommend plenty of water next time, instead. Works wonders. :P
It was recommended that I drink a liter of water before and after my Moderna #2 shot. Dunno if it helped much, but my symptoms were mildish. :)
My mother got her first dose today. :)
Quote from: Razgovory on April 19, 2021, 10:59:24 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 19, 2021, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 19, 2021, 09:38:57 AM
I'm going out to get it in about 15 minutes. This seems like it's taking forever.
You're waiting in line outside the vaccination centre?
No, I live only about 5 miles from the place to get the vaccine. I drove up there and I was able to get it without any problems. When I said it's taking forever I mean it's taking forever to get access to the vaccine. The state of Missouri is the worst in the country for getting people the vaccine. The place I went did not appear to be run by the state, the army was doing this.
It is almost certainly the State National Guard, actually.
Quote from: Zanza on April 20, 2021, 09:54:15 AM
My mother got her first dose today. :)
My 91 yr old mother, had her 2nd AZ jab this morning, not spoken to her yet, but the after first one she basically had no reaction to it. :hmm:
Quote from: mongers on April 20, 2021, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: Zanza on April 20, 2021, 09:54:15 AM
My mother got her first dose today. :)
My 91 yr old mother, had her 2nd AZ jab this morning, not spoken to her yet, but the after first one she basically had no reaction to it. :hmm:
I think that's common, no?
Younger people have more of a reaction to it because the immune system is more vigorous the younger you get? My dad had no reaction to it either and he's in his late 70s.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 20, 2021, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 20, 2021, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: Zanza on April 20, 2021, 09:54:15 AM
My mother got her first dose today. :)
My 91 yr old mother, had her 2nd AZ jab this morning, not spoken to her yet, but the after first one she basically had no reaction to it. :hmm:
I think that's common, no?
Younger people have more of a reaction to it because the immune system is more vigorous the younger you get? My dad had no reaction to it either and he's in his late 70s.
Yes, I was somewhat surprised by how little reaction I had. :hmm:
No reaction is the huge majority of people. Around 10% suffer side effects.
It's a real common misconception that "I didn't get a reaction, is this thing doing anything?"
Quote from: Zoupa on April 20, 2021, 10:36:42 AM
No reaction is the huge majority of people. Around 10% suffer side effects.
It's a real common misconception that "I didn't get a reaction, is this thing doing anything?"
Thanks Zoupa, that's good to know. :cheers:
I felt a bit hungover the day after my AZ jab.
My folks are finally getting their jabs this week. :yeah:
Quote from: Zanza on April 20, 2021, 10:43:20 AM
I felt a bit hungover the day after my AZ jab.
:zipped:
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I am: Pfizerized. :cool:
:w00t:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 22, 2021, 09:37:52 PM
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Did you take him up on it? ;)
I am AZ'd. It was painless - now just a little soreness in my arm. Pretty much the same as a flu shot.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 27, 2021, 03:04:27 PM
I am AZ'd. It was painless - now just a little soreness in my arm. Pretty much the same as a flu shot.
:cool:
CC, you'll probably now get your 2nd shot well before I get mine; the 3 month gap is up for me around 12th June.
Iirc, BC does 112 days between doses.
Canada is not expecting any new AZ doses before India is under control. The USA might let us have some of their stockpile tho.
Mom and dad are getting jabbed today.:thumbsup: After tomorrow everyone in the 60+ age category will have had at least one shot. We're using a good chunk of the AZ stock intended for Norway since they decided not to use it at all.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 28, 2021, 07:18:25 AM
Mom and dad are getting jabbed today.:thumbsup: After tomorrow everyone in the 60+ age category will have had at least one shot. We're using a good chunk of the AZ stock intended for Norway since they decided not to use it at all.
:cool:
Good news Leggy.
It's their loss.
Quote from: mongers on April 28, 2021, 08:20:20 AMIt's their loss.
Bizarre but yeah. We just rang them up and asked them nicely to send some our way then. I know the Swedes snapped up a bunch as well.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 28, 2021, 09:13:58 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 28, 2021, 08:20:20 AMIt's their loss.
Bizarre but yeah. We just rang them up and asked them nicely to send some our way then. I know the Swedes snapped up a bunch as well.
Slesvig-Holsten is getting ours. I think we should try and trade them 3 for 1 getting some Pfizer in return.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 27, 2021, 03:04:27 PM
I am AZ'd. It was painless - now just a little soreness in my arm. Pretty much the same as a flu shot.
Side effects hit me about 10 hours after getting the shot - chills and a fever. Not a pleasant night. Now I just feel hung over.
Well worth it to be able to start building up antibodies.
This amused me, although I'm not quite certain if it's slightly tongue-in-cheek or dead serious. I suppose it doesn't matter really.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/own-the-libs-get-vaxxed/
QuoteOwn the Libs; Get Vaxxed
By KYLE SMITH
My fellow conservatives, I bring bad news. The liberals are laughing at us. Too many of us have become vaccine snowflakes, tying ourselves up with nervous-Nelly consternation about the alleged ill effects of vaccines, which are almost perfectly safe and almost totally effective. One poll showed 49 percent of conservative men refuse to get vaccinated; another said 47 percent of Trump voters wouldn't get the shot. Lefties love to hear all of this because they're getting vaxxed up to the eyelids, while a bunch of us on the right are refusing some great American technology so that we can get creamed by a Communist flu.
Fellas, Trump himself got vaccinated, and it was glorious. In doing so, he rubbed the liberals' faces in the fact that, under his watch, in one of the most astonishing American miracles since the moon shot, we got three different vaccines manufactured by the tens of millions and ready to go. They were all approved within twelve months of the first COVID death in the U.S., and at every step of the way, every liberal from Bangor to Berkeley mocked Trump for saying he would make it all happen.
Trump fans should take this vaccine in the spirit of dunking on all the libs who doubted the mighty thrusting force of Trump's Operation Warp Speed. Last March 5, nine and a half months before FDA approval of the first shot, Trump asked his experts whether we might see a vaccine "within a few months," and Anthony Fauci instantly corrected him: "A year to a year and a half." When Trump said in August that he was hopeful we'd see a vaccine by November — it would be November 20 that Pfizer submitted its data to the FDA to request emergency approval — CNN got so far over its skis that it actually ran a bizarre Fact Check of the Future upbraiding the president, pointing out that the obviously irrefutable and always-correct super-duper expert Fauci was still insisting the vaccine "would likely not be available widely until 'several months' into 2021." Say it with me in Trump voice, friends: WRONG. Fauci turned out to be mistaken about so many things that he was like the Hillary Clinton of medicine.
When you get vaccinated, you are spiking a football marked Warp Speed right in Fauci's face. Don't hesitate: Glory in the opportunity. Go out and get yourself a shot, and yes, it is a "shot," a small but manly jolt to the system, like an ounce of Maker's. Only a lib would use that prissy British word, "jab." Since when do we turn down a shooting opportunity?
Some of us are openly stating that we will not take the vaccine because the libs want us to take it, and we like to drink many frothy cups of their hot, salty tears with our morning side of beef on our way to the moose-hunting lodge. "I Won't Take the Vaccine Because It Makes Liberals Mad," writes Peter D'Abrosca of American Greatness. Let me emphasize that I entirely agree with Peter's motivation here: Making libs mad is some of the most important work we do. Their misery = our joy.
But! Whether your goal is to take full possession of the libs, rent-to-own, or just sign a long lease on them, the goal is best accomplished by staying healthy and living long. Even if you yourself are not particularly vulnerable, if you aren't vaccinated, you could pick up the virus without knowing it, accidentally pass it on to a vulnerable old guy who voted for Trump next time you're down at the roadhouse, and kill old Vince or Mike, who have also refused the vaccine. Don't kill Vince or Mike! These are the guys the libs are aching to see die off so they can turn this country into The United Socialist States of Berniestan. Don't help them win.
The author of the American Greatness piece is young and healthy and highly unlikely to die from COVID. But if Peter did die of the virus, liberals would find it absolutely hilarious. Look at how they chortle over Ted Nugent denying, then getting very sick from, COVID. What kind of sick bastards would make fun of Ted Nugent, the greatest living American? The reason Peter must not die, or even get sick, from COVID is that we can't allow the liberals to laugh, ever. If they laugh at us, they are winning. Keep in mind that these people are comedy anorexics — they're so starved for mirth that they have to pretend Jimmy Kimmel, Trevor Noah, and Chelsea Handler are funny — and Peter would be serving them up a feast if he got sick: a colossal, all-you-can-eat, socially equitable, and 100 percent locally sourced vegan banquet. Don't let them gorge themselves on gluten-free yam pizza and organic unfiltered cider on your psychological tab!
More important: To paraphrase that flawless American patriot Colonel Jessup*, I need you on that wall. Conservatives, if you are dead, or out of commission for any period of time, the cause loses you. We need you to keep reading NR, fighting back against stupid liberal policies, and incessantly mocking Foggy Joe and Kommie-la Harris.
I got vaxxed — two shots of Pfizer, three weeks apart, no side effects — and it was glorious. I could feel my cells renewing, my engines roaring, and my vital signs spiking. It was as if I had turned into the opening credits of The Six Million Dollar Man. When you get the shot, you are Popeye gulping down a can of spinach. You are Sergeant York mowing down a line of viral particles like German machine gunners. You are extending your life expectancy that you may go forth and own, dunk on, and sip the tears of libs for many delightful years to come.
*Just kidding. Colonel Jessup wasn't flawless. He should have denied everything instead of letting that wussy lawyer trick him into confessing he ordered the Code Red. He committed the one unpardonable sin: He allowed himself to get owned by a lib.
Quote from: Barrister on April 28, 2021, 12:56:43 PM
This amused me, although I'm not quite certain if it's slightly tongue-in-cheek or dead serious. I suppose it doesn't matter really.
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I think we need to start the conspiracy theory that vaccine hesitancy is a plot by Soros to get conservatives killed by the vaccinated superspreading liberals.
Quote from: Liep on April 28, 2021, 09:38:26 AMSlesvig-Holsten is getting ours.
:ph34r: :shifty:
I got my second jab yesterday. I was going to say shot until I read BB's article.
Double Pfizered.
Me too, and fuck this is hitting me hard.
Likewise, feel like shit.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 29, 2021, 08:37:19 AM
Me too, and fuck this is hitting me hard.
Yeah, I scoffed loudly at people who said the Pfizer vaccine may give you a vivid immune response and make you feel lousy. My first shot was completely without any excitement, but the day after the second one I woke up feeling like I had a good flu coming on and my arm was sore af at the injection site. Stayed like that all day, chills, low fever, aches, shivers and fatigue. Lots of naps. Woke up the day after that absolutely my normal self. Rather disorienting. My girlfriend just had a similar experience with her second dose as well.
Yeah, I also felt a bit sick for two days after my second shot. Mostly tired, felt like I had a mild fever but thermometer didn't show that. Not too bad though over all.
So freaky how so many people have exactly the same set of symptoms for exactly the same amount of time. At least I'm definitely not anxious now about being possibly improperly jabbed.
Quote from: KRonn on April 29, 2021, 09:04:24 PM
Yeah, I also felt a bit sick for two days after my second shot. Mostly tired, felt like I had a mild fever but thermometer didn't show that. Not too bad though over all.
Start of my third day, and I now feel fine. Went for a nice long walk with Mrs. CC and got rid of the cobwebs. But those last two days were pretty terrible.
My dad is getting his first dose next thursday. :)
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 30, 2021, 09:22:23 AM
Quote from: KRonn on April 29, 2021, 09:04:24 PM
Yeah, I also felt a bit sick for two days after my second shot. Mostly tired, felt like I had a mild fever but thermometer didn't show that. Not too bad though over all.
Start of my third day, and I now feel fine. Went for a nice long walk with Mrs. CC and got rid of the cobwebs. But those last two days were pretty terrible.
Good to hear. I also felt kind of listless, no energy. Seems most of us felt quite similar, as posters are saying.
Glad you're feeling better! :)
I booked for next Friday, part of the 55+ plan, newly introduced in Ontario.
I've been fully-vaxxed for almost a month now; the wife is currently couch-ridden after being whammied by her second dose from Thursday night.
So it seems they'll offer the AZ vaccine on a first come first serve basis at the end of May. Should I try and get it or wait for the September/Octoberish Pfizer jab? I'm leaning heavily towards the sooner the better.
Do you think that the risk of getting Covid from May to October or the risk of vaccination side effects is higher? Depends on your personal circumstances and environment. Also there may soon be more restrictions on non-vaccinated persons than on vaccinated persons...
Quote from: Liep on May 03, 2021, 05:26:49 AM
So it seems they'll offer the AZ vaccine on a first come first serve basis at the end of May. Should I try and get it or wait for the September/Octoberish Pfizer jab? I'm leaning heavily towards the sooner the better.
I'd go for the AZ. The risk is extremely low, and the one or two people that did clot tend to be pre menopausal women.
Worth a try Liep. You're gonna kick yourself in the backside if you don't apply and then you get slotted a vaccine appointment on the last day of October. :hmm:
Quebec's Immunology committee justifies not using AZ with under 45s in that the risk of Blood clots is higher than the risk of ICU hospitalization in that population.
Also here, under 45s are under diagnosed (we don't go to the doctor often enough) for a slew of issues that would make AZ even more riskier.
Quote from: Liep on May 03, 2021, 05:26:49 AM
So it seems they'll offer the AZ vaccine on a first come first serve basis at the end of May. Should I try and get it or wait for the September/Octoberish Pfizer jab? I'm leaning heavily towards the sooner the better.
Do you plan to travel this summer? If so, getting the vaccine as early as possible would be desireable.
Quote from: Zanza on May 03, 2021, 05:38:13 AM
Do you think that the risk of getting Covid from May to October or the risk of vaccination side effects is higher? Depends on your personal circumstances and environment. Also there may soon be more restrictions on non-vaccinated persons than on vaccinated persons...
Does it really depend on it? Are the highest risks of the vaccine in any way comparable to the lowest risk of Covid?
Quote from: The Larch on May 03, 2021, 06:57:13 AM
Quote from: Liep on May 03, 2021, 05:26:49 AM
So it seems they'll offer the AZ vaccine on a first come first serve basis at the end of May. Should I try and get it or wait for the September/Octoberish Pfizer jab? I'm leaning heavily towards the sooner the better.
Do you plan to travel this summer? If so, getting the vaccine as early as possible would be desireable.
I was actually hoping to visit your part of Spain or northern Portugal.
So my sister and her boyfriend who are several years younger than me and have no health issues have had theirs. Seems they're a lot more freely available in Wales.
Quote from: Legbiter on May 03, 2021, 05:59:35 AM
Worth a try Liep. You're gonna kick yourself in the backside if you don't apply and then you get slotted a vaccine appointment on the last day of October. :hmm:
They claim it's late August for second jab, but that seems unlikely now as they've just cancelled J&J too.
Quote from: Liep on May 03, 2021, 01:21:36 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 03, 2021, 06:57:13 AM
Quote from: Liep on May 03, 2021, 05:26:49 AM
So it seems they'll offer the AZ vaccine on a first come first serve basis at the end of May. Should I try and get it or wait for the September/Octoberish Pfizer jab? I'm leaning heavily towards the sooner the better.
Do you plan to travel this summer? If so, getting the vaccine as early as possible would be desireable.
I was actually hoping to visit your part of Spain or northern Portugal.
Well you better keep me updated about that! :lol: Any particular plans or ideas? If you need any help or tip just let me know! :)
Massachusetts is soon going to cut back on the mass vaccination sites and encourage more local venues to give vaccinations. That'll be doctor offices, pharmacies and maybe town halls. My town gave shots for a short time until supplies became scarce. Apparently now there are a lot more vaccines available and the state has about 4million people partially or fully vaccinated. Looks like some pressure is off. As I said earlier, I did get my shot at a local site, a few miles from me, in a clinic run by one of the hospitals in my health care system.
I wonder how many doses would be wasted once vaccinations are done haphazardly on demand. Once you're not putting people on a conveyor belt to vaccinate them, I imagine that a lot of these six-shot vials are going to be used for a dose or two before spoiling.
Quote from: DGuller on May 03, 2021, 07:18:52 AM
Quote from: Zanza on May 03, 2021, 05:38:13 AM
Do you think that the risk of getting Covid from May to October or the risk of vaccination side effects is higher? Depends on your personal circumstances and environment. Also there may soon be more restrictions on non-vaccinated persons than on vaccinated persons...
Does it really depend on it? Are the highest risks of the vaccine in any way comparable to the lowest risk of Covid?
That's the argument why several countries limited AZ. Especially for young women, the risk to get this rare, dangerous thrombosis in the brain from the vaccine seems to have a likelihood in a similar ballpark as having a severe Covid case (much lower than the pill though). The likelihood to get Covid depends on the time you are potentially exposed and how big exposure to risks is, so the question when Liep could get vaccinated with something else and the fact he lives in low Covid Denmark matters.
I had the chance to get Astrazeneca and took it, because for my personal circumstances it was a simple consideration of the risk versus benefit.
Quote from: Tyr on May 03, 2021, 01:23:11 PM
So my sister and her boyfriend who are several years younger than me and have no health issues have had theirs. Seems they're a lot more freely available in Wales.
It can be a bit weird at times, last week officially they were still talking about the over-45s getting it but I am 41 and I got it a month ago, days after they were done with the 50-somethings.
Quote from: Liep on May 03, 2021, 05:26:49 AM
So it seems they'll offer the AZ vaccine on a first come first serve basis at the end of May. Should I try and get it or wait for the September/Octoberish Pfizer jab? I'm leaning heavily towards the sooner the better.
My take is the best vaccine around is whichever one you can get now. Especially given the emerging evidence that all the authorised vaccines so far do cut transmission which means they really are doing what we'd hoped in terms of not just protecting ourselves but others around us.
There are extremely rare possible side effects. I think it's still around the 4 in a million risk. Of course the actual risk of covid (ignoring onward transmission to others) is really linked with age and if there's low transmission so you're not likely to get it then it's also probably pretty low.
FWIW I got it as soon as I could, which was March because while I'm young enough to not really be at risk I take some medication that affects my immune system so apparently slightly higher risk than age alone.
Quote from: Tamas on May 04, 2021, 03:32:38 AM
Quote from: Tyr on May 03, 2021, 01:23:11 PM
So my sister and her boyfriend who are several years younger than me and have no health issues have had theirs. Seems they're a lot more freely available in Wales.
It can be a bit weird at times, last week officially they were still talking about the over-45s getting it but I am 41 and I got it a month ago, days after they were done with the 50-somethings.
Wales has been ahead of the rest of the UK for a while and is doing really well. I think in particular at the minute they're doing dual-track vaccinations - so they're still rolling out by age predominately with AZ but also offering younger people the chance to get it and because they get to choose they're getting more Pfizer.
I think the other nations are actually just building up a stockpile of Pfizer for younger people.
Plus I think local areas will be going at different paces - but because the JCVI have basically said just do it by age cohort it's probably quite easy to work out who's next if you're ahead of schedule. I know that Hancock announced everyone over 40/41 could get their vaccine last week (which is why he got his) - but I assume that's England-wide so the announcement is probably based on the slowest local authority?
Bit of confusion reigning in Canada right now. After a couple months of the Health dep't saying "take any shot you're given", they're now saying..."all shots good, Pfizer, Moderna better."
Quote from: Josephus on May 04, 2021, 09:23:38 AM
Bit of confusion reigning in Canada right now. After a couple months of the Health dep't saying "take any shot you're given", they're now saying..."all shots good, Pfizer, Moderna better."
Yeah, a messaging disaster from the Feds - I really wish they would just STFU and leave the important work to the provinces.
NACI is not the Feds. It's an independent group of experts. Dr. Quach, NACI president, explained the committees logic behind the recommendation.
1) mRNAs are more effective 2) In some population (the 45 & under) risk of Blood clot is higher than the risk of ICU covid 3) Low risk individuals vs high risk individuals.
Yes. She's ethnic vietnamese.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 04, 2021, 10:54:15 AM
NACI is not the Feds. It's an independent group of experts. Dr. Quach, NACI president, explained the committees logic behind the recommendation.
1) mRNAs are more effective 2) In some population (the 45 & under) risk of Blood clot is higher than the risk of ICU covid 3) Low risk individuals vs high risk individuals.
The name is maybe what threw you off. It is part of the Public Health Agency, which is itself part of the Federal Government. It is not independent of government. It is appointed by government.
After this week about 45% of the Icelandic population will have had at least one jab. My wife just got her second Pfizer jab yesterday.
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 04, 2021, 01:43:26 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 04, 2021, 10:54:15 AM
NACI is not the Feds. It's an independent group of experts. Dr. Quach, NACI president, explained the committees logic behind the recommendation.
1) mRNAs are more effective 2) In some population (the 45 & under) risk of Blood clot is higher than the risk of ICU covid 3) Low risk individuals vs high risk individuals.
The name is maybe what threw you off. It is part of the Public Health Agency, which is itself part of the Federal Government. It is not independent of government. It is appointed by government.
:homestar:
That's dumb.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 05, 2021, 09:35:22 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 04, 2021, 01:43:26 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 04, 2021, 10:54:15 AM
NACI is not the Feds. It's an independent group of experts. Dr. Quach, NACI president, explained the committees logic behind the recommendation.
1) mRNAs are more effective 2) In some population (the 45 & under) risk of Blood clot is higher than the risk of ICU covid 3) Low risk individuals vs high risk individuals.
The name is maybe what threw you off. It is part of the Public Health Agency, which is itself part of the Federal Government. It is not independent of government. It is appointed by government.
:homestar:
That's dumb.
It is a good idea to have a specialized group of experts advising the Public Health Agency about a topic within their specialized knowledge. What I agree is dumb is having them engage in something beyond their expertise - communicating with the public.
Got my second Pfizer shot yesterday. So far I feel a bit blah, but not too bad. Also my arm is sore, like with the first shot.
Vienna is starting to vaccinate the general population aged 60+ (besides people working critical jobs etc.).
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Alberta is opening up the Pfizer shot to everyone age 12+. Apparently Health Canada guidance came out this morning approving use in teens.
Got my second shot. I've felt like shit, but that is kind of normal for me. my arm doesn't hurt nearly like it did the first time around, at least.
Second shot of Pfizer-Biontech for my parents today.
I have an appointment 😱
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 05, 2021, 03:57:25 PM
Got my second shot. I've felt like shit, but that is kind of normal for me. my arm doesn't hurt nearly like it did the first time around, at least.
Same for me - my arm hurt more with the first shot but I also felt sick after the second one.
Booked for tomorrow.
My dad got his 1st AZ dose yesterday, no significant secondary effects. He'll get the 2nd dose in 3 months.
Well, after prodding from friends and colleagues, I've updated my registration saying I'm in a risk group (BMI >30).
Reason I didn't do this earlier was
a) feeling other people likely needed the shots more urgently than me
b) being too proud to admit to it
I called for a date, but they say I will be contacted automatically when new contingents become available "soon-ish" and low key chiding me for not registering correctly from the start, because almost all risk persons in their system have had at least one shot. -_-
Got my first one today. :w00t: Got a bit ahead of the line on it, because I'm working at the upcoming municipal elections this month.
Quote from: Syt on May 07, 2021, 04:14:51 AM
Well, after prodding from friends and colleagues, I've updated my registration saying I'm in a risk group (BMI >30).
Reason I didn't do this earlier was
a) feeling other people likely needed the shots more urgently than me
b) being too proud to admit to it
I called for a date, but they say I will be contacted automatically when new contingents become available "soon-ish" and low key chiding me for not registering correctly from the start, because almost all risk persons in their system have had at least one shot. -_-
I'm surprised at a few things.
Our own 'BMI gives you early vaccine access' is 40. So I'm surprised yours is 30, because I kind-of assumed most Texans would be over 30. -_-
I also thought that Texas would be at the point where everyone who wanted a first shot would have had one by now.
Did you just confuse Syt &...Valmy?
Isn't Syt in Austria? :mellow:
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 07, 2021, 09:58:02 AM
Did you just confuse Syt &...Valmy?
Yes. -_- :frusty:
:lol:
Also, the federal recommendation is that BMI >40 is risk group, but Vienna has them in high risk group, and 30+ BMI in "normal" risk group.
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 07, 2021, 09:59:33 AM
Isn't Syt in Austria? :mellow:
Austria, Austin, it happens :P
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Quote from: Sheilbh on May 07, 2021, 09:59:33 AM
Isn't Syt in Austria? :mellow:
Austria, Austin, it happens :P
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Quote from: HVC on May 07, 2021, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 07, 2021, 09:59:33 AM
Isn't Syt in Austria? :mellow:
Austria, Austin, it happens :P
Understandable, have a nice day.
Quote from: Barrister on May 07, 2021, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 07, 2021, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 07, 2021, 09:59:33 AM
Isn't Syt in Austria? :mellow:
Austria, Austin, it happens :P
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It is a good thing we have no Australians here.
Are delirium and confusion known side effects? :unsure:
Scheduled for 4 PM tomorrow. :)
J&J single shot. :) :)
Time to party.
Got a shot scheduled for this Friday.
Well, I have in writing now that I'm a fat bastard. :cry:
But it also means I get my shots (Moderna) next week Thursday and 24th June.
Got my shot last friday. no real adverse effect. Just got really sleepy. Not even necessarily tired, just sleepy.
Quote from: Syt on May 10, 2021, 09:23:57 AM
Well, I have in writing now that I'm a fat bastard. :cry:
I can only imagine in German this is a thing of beauty with lots of double Ss
Quote from: Tyr on May 10, 2021, 09:27:39 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 10, 2021, 09:23:57 AM
Well, I have in writing now that I'm a fat bastard. :cry:
I can only imagine in German this is a thing of beauty with lots of double Ss
Well, the Austin Powers character was translated as Fieser Fettsack which ... is ok, I guess (it has a nice alliteration).
But I just have a letter stating my BMI. :P
Just need to check the flight schedule so I'm in Texas on time. :P
Trudeau pulled through. I just got Pfizered.
Quote from: Syt on May 10, 2021, 09:28:49 AM
Well, the Austin Powers character was translated as Fieser Fettsack
How subtle :lol:
First shot of Pfizer-BioNTech. Had to to go to a somewhat far banlieue vaccination centre to get it since I am not in a priority population i.e too "young" and no comorbidities.
Full 5G signal will have to wait till the end of June however.
I went to a restaurant for the first time as a fully vaccinated individual. It was somehow a let down.
Which restaurant?
Finally have my covid vaccine dates booked. First shot next Tuesday at a Masonic hall.
Quote from: garbon on May 19, 2021, 12:00:16 PM
Finally have my covid vaccine dates booked. First shot next Tuesday at a Masonic hall.
Will you need a secret handshake to get inside?
Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2021, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 19, 2021, 12:00:16 PM
Finally have my covid vaccine dates booked. First shot next Tuesday at a Masonic hall.
Will you need a secret handshake to get inside?
:ph34r:
I received my second dose today. :)
Got Pfizered today, then proceeded to nap for 6 hours in the middle of the day. Wtf.
Got Moderna'ed an hour ago. I got gummy bears! Or at least gummy crests of the City of Vienna. :)
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:cheers:
My youtube feed is blowing up with clips of people afraid of needles.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 20, 2021, 08:26:10 AM
My youtube feed is blowing up with clips of people afraid of needles.
Must be one of those topics where Youtube recommender goes :w00t: on.
Just got Pfizered
Quote from: Zoupa on May 20, 2021, 12:47:05 AM
Got Pfizered today, then proceeded to nap for 6 hours in the middle of the day. Wtf.
i got mine on a Friday evening. proceeded to only wake up twice for a short time in the next 24 hrs. Only side effect though.
I wonder if the people who get such side effects after their first dose have already been exposed to the virus. My understanding is that the reason it's usually the second dose that knocks people down is that the first dose encounters a body that hasn't yet learned to repel the virus.
Quote from: DGuller on May 20, 2021, 01:39:34 PM
I wonder if the people who get such side effects after their first dose have already been exposed to the virus. My understanding is that the reason it's usually the second dose that knocks people down is that the first dose encounters a body that hasn't yet learned to repel the virus.
Perhaps, but if I had COVID before, I probably would not be alive to get the vaccine.
CC: less healthy than Donald Trump.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on May 20, 2021, 02:04:57 PM
CC: less healthy than Donald Trump.
Yes, I would say definitely.
Thanks for being an ass about it.
My apologies. Your posts in the fitness thread suggested otherwise.
Thanks guys from posting about your jabs, reminded me to check up if I was eligible yet for my 2nd dose; turns out I am, eight weeks now, got the last appointment at my favoured site and it's tomorrow. :)
Quote from: Eddie Teach on May 20, 2021, 03:05:41 PM
My apologies. Your posts in the fitness thread suggested otherwise.
I accept your apology. If you read a bit more in that thread, you will see that the reason I began exercising so much is to clear out my lungs so that my lung disease does not kill me. The reason for this is that antibiotics were beginning to become less effective and so I had to find a way to avoid infections from occurring. That seemed to work and it has been three years now since my last infection. So while my fitness level is much better than the Orange Man, his lungs are definitely better than mine.
Just about everyone over 50 and those with underlying conditions here in Iceland has been jabbed at least once. Next week we'll start random vaccinations in the cohorts that are left.
Quote from: Legbiter on May 22, 2021, 05:37:27 AM
Just about everyone over 50 and those with underlying conditions here in Iceland has been jabbed at least once. Next week we'll start random vaccinations in the cohorts that are left.
You can say helots. We're all grown-ups here.
2nd shot today of pfizer. Moved on quickly to recreational drugs, the world's hobby.
I feel much less tired than before, ever since I've been vaccinated (closing on two weeks). Might be a coincidence, or I did have covid when I thought it was the flu back in 2020, before it officially started spreading here.
Quote from: saskganesh on May 22, 2021, 03:38:20 PM
2nd shot today of pfizer. Moved on quickly to recreational drugs, the world's hobby.
I hope it was high quality recreational drugs from the world renowned Canopy Growth family of products.
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 20, 2021, 01:40:42 PM
Perhaps, but if I had COVID before, I probably would not be alive to get the vaccine.
My understanding is that the high risk conditions don't make it more likely to have a severe case, it just makes severe cases much less survivable. My Dad has a degenerative lung condition-- he's down to about 40%-- and he pulled through with a couple days in the hospital for observation.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 22, 2021, 05:45:01 PM
I hope it was high quality recreational drugs from the world renowned Canopy Growth family of products.
Not only are you an investor, but you are also a customer!
Quote from: Jacob on May 22, 2021, 09:43:12 PM
Not only are you an investor, but you are also a customer!
You know, I'm not sure. The packaging doesn't have any company info.
So I signed up for the voluntary AZ or J&J jab, as I would be looking at at least 3 months wait before I'd get a last jab with an mRNA (assuming Curevac is approved and meets delivery :hmm:). Should get a consultation soon and hopefully be offered a Janssen shot shortly after.
Quote from: Liep on May 23, 2021, 12:19:53 PM
So I signed up for the voluntary AZ or J&J jab, as I would be looking at at least 3 months wait before I'd get a last jab with an mRNA (assuming Curevac is approved and meets delivery :hmm:). Should get a consultation soon and hopefully be offered a Janssen shot shortly after.
:thumbsup:
I've got my second dose next week and am jealous of folks getting the J&J :blush:
I was pretty tired for two days and my upper arm hurt a bit, but otherwise no side effects from the first shot. :)
My arm hurt for 3 days and I felt nauseous 10 hours after the shot. My feet were swollen on day 3.
As reported before, I got a Pfizer shot.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 23, 2021, 07:29:57 PM
My arm hurt for 3 days and I felt nauseous 10 hours after the shot. My feet were swollen on day 3.
As reported before, I got a Pfizer shot.
After the first shot?
I think I got pretty lucky. Nothing bad happened at all and I also got the Pfizer.
Turns out they're super hard to book so it looks unlikely I'll have it before the end of August. Pff.
First jab was today at 9am; I was rather surprised to receive Pfizer (not that I had a choice, of course.)
Arm hurts a bit around where the jab was done but nothing else obvious as a side effect at the moment.
Quote from: Valmy on May 24, 2021, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 23, 2021, 07:29:57 PM
My arm hurt for 3 days and I felt nauseous 10 hours after the shot. My feet were swollen on day 3.
As reported before, I got a Pfizer shot.
After the first shot?
I think I got pretty lucky. Nothing bad happened at all and I also got the Pfizer.
Yeah, 1st shot.
Now that vaccines are more plentiful the State made changes to more local sites, rather than focusing on the mass vac sites, some of which are being closed down. So I'm seeing more local and convenient vaccination sites, like the CVS pharmacy in town where I get my prescriptions from.
Just got my first one. Barely noticed the needle even going in.
Quote from: garbon on May 25, 2021, 10:22:10 AM
Just got my first one. Barely noticed the needle even going in.
Was talking about that with a co-worker today. Neither of us noticed the actual jab. That's definitely not how shots used to be. :lol:
The needles for this vaccine seem to be quite small in gauge - another reason why the whole "microchip" weirdness falls apart, but who needs logic when conspiracy is so good?
My mate, BillyG, ain't giving away for free anything, son.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 25, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
My mate, BillyG, ain't giving away for free anything, son.
On the contrary, he's about to give away billions and billions of dollars.
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2021, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 25, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
My mate, BillyG, ain't giving away for free anything, son.
On the contrary, he's about to give away billions and billions of dollars.
To a very deserving cause to!
Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2021, 08:52:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2021, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 25, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
My mate, BillyG, ain't giving away for free anything, son.
On the contrary, he's about to give away billions and billions of dollars.
To a very deserving cause to!
I was making a lazy joke about his upcoming divorce.
But now I realize you may have been referring to his very deserving commitments to give away almost all of his fortune.
Irony is hard. :(
Not sure if this has been posted before. I don't understand Russian at all, but the facial expressions say it all. This seems to be how they solve the vaccine problem in Russia :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4lVRC295fo
This looks more like a satirical video?
Quote from: Syt on May 26, 2021, 01:43:01 AM
This looks more like a satirical video?
Could be.
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2021, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2021, 08:52:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2021, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 25, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
My mate, BillyG, ain't giving away for free anything, son.
On the contrary, he's about to give away billions and billions of dollars.
To a very deserving cause to!
I was making a lazy joke about his upcoming divorce.
But now I realize you may have been referring to his very deserving commitments to give away almost all of his fortune.
Irony is hard. :(
No I was also making a joke about his divorce.
Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2021, 08:52:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2021, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 25, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
My mate, BillyG, ain't giving away for free anything, son.
On the contrary, he's about to give away billions and billions of dollars.
To a very deserving cause to!
Lawyers deserve very little.
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EU now between 70% in Malta and 10% in Bulgaria, but overall the common approach seems to work reasonably well with all countries making similar progress.
The idiotic German health minister is continously making new promises that he can't keep. He also stated that children above 12 should now be vaccinated with BioNTech/Pfizer. Despite EMA and the German regulator not having approved it yet for this age group. I get angry these days whenever I have to hear him on the news.
Quote from: Habbaku on May 26, 2021, 01:28:39 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 25, 2021, 08:52:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2021, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 25, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
My mate, BillyG, ain't giving away for free anything, son.
On the contrary, he's about to give away billions and billions of dollars.
To a very deserving cause to!
Lawyers deserve very little.
I disagree!
Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2021, 01:45:33 PM
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Quote from: Grey Fox on May 25, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
My mate, BillyG, ain't giving away for free anything, son.
On the contrary, he's about to give away billions and billions of dollars.
To a very deserving cause to!
Lawyers deserve very little.
I disagree!
Overruled
I vote we cut Beeb's salary by 2%.
Quote from: Zanza on May 27, 2021, 01:38:02 PM
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EU now between 70% in Malta and 10% in Bulgaria, but overall the common approach seems to work reasonably well with all countries making similar progress.
The idiotic German health minister is continously making new promises that he can't keep. He also stated that children above 12 should now be vaccinated with BioNTech/Pfizer. Despite EMA and the German regulator not having approved it yet for this age group. I get angry these days whenever I have to hear him on the news.
Interesting. Canada is really an outlier right now.
We have 4.6% fully & 48.89% partially for the over 50% total.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 27, 2021, 01:49:58 PM
Interesting. Canada is really an outlier right now.
We have 4.6% fully & 48.89% partially for the over 50% total.
That's probably about where the UK was about 4-6 weeks ago. It also looks like Finland may be delaying second doses to maximise supply.
No idea how Malta's done so well - I assume Sinopharm like Hungary? :hmm:
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 27, 2021, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 27, 2021, 01:49:58 PM
Interesting. Canada is really an outlier right now.
We have 4.6% fully & 48.89% partially for the over 50% total.
That's probably about where the UK was about 4-6 weeks ago. It also looks like Finland may be delaying second doses to maximise supply.
No idea how Malta's done so well - I assume Sinopharm like Hungary? :hmm:
Apparently not.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/05/25/malta-claims-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-with-70-of-its-adults-partially-vaccinated/?sh=79521cf47573
Quote from: Syt on May 26, 2021, 01:43:01 AM
This looks more like a satirical video?
I think it is. The video seems to be from sort of comedy show.
So the state media is reporting that getting an AZ or Johnson vaccine is stupid as it gambles your own life and puts the health system under an unfair workload. :hmm:
:bleeding:
Incidentally I think I saw a story that German researchers think they have identified what may be the cause and if they're correct it is something that can be fixed in the manufacturing - but can't remember where it was. But clearly great news if we can eliminate even that tiny risk (and potential burden) :lol:
And, in fairness, context matters. If everyone's covid cases were as low as Denmark's it might be true. But they're not and my fear is people just see the negative story and not the context of very low case numbers and covid risks.
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 27, 2021, 02:23:20 PM
And, in fairness, context matters. If everyone's covid cases were as low as Denmark's it might be true. But they're not and my fear is people just see the negative story and not the context of very low case numbers and covid risks.
I think if there's under 200 cases per 100,000 and the unvaccinated population is below 40 then it's true. I goes right out the window though when you see clusters like the ones Britain is getting with the Indian variant and the problem is they can evolve quickly.
My partner has her AZ appointment set now in two weeks as the other vaccines are still in short supply here and it does not look like non-priority patients get an mRNA vaccine here in the next weeks as all the second doses have to be administered and then children will likely get priority for mRNA vaccines...
Over here we also have a mess regarding the 2nd AZ dose. Its delivery had been frozen until it was decided what to do about it, as the government wanted to phase it out, giving a Pfizer shot to those that received an AZ shot for their 1st dose, but some regions insisted in being allowed to use a 2nd AZ shot instead (I guess they still had a significant amount of doses stored). It was finally decided to allow offering a 2nd AZ shot, but people had to specifically ask for it (Pfizer would be the default one) and give consent ahead of it (and in the initial run it seemed that the overwhelming majority of people, 90%+, were sticking with a 2nd AZ shot rather than opting for the Pfizer one). Now it seems that the central government is mad at some regions that are actively encouraging people to get the 2nd AZ shot rather than the theoretically default option of Pfizer, as that seemed to be the agreement between the government and the regions.
Recent reporting in BC is that if you got AZ or Moderna for your first shot, you still may get Pfizer for the second. Mostly due to supply issues and, I suppose, the science showing it's more or less the same level of effectiveness.
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 27, 2021, 02:23:20 PM
:bleeding:
Incidentally I think I saw a story that German researchers think they have identified what may be the cause and if they're correct it is something that can be fixed in the manufacturing - but can't remember where it was. But clearly great news if we can eliminate even that tiny risk (and potential burden) :lol:
If they can't remember where it was that need to be fixed, how is it a good news? :hmm:
;)
Quote from: Jacob on May 27, 2021, 05:08:40 PM
Recent reporting in BC is that if you got AZ or Moderna for your first shot, you still may get Pfizer for the second. Mostly due to supply issues and, I suppose, the science showing it's more or less the same level of effectiveness.
I missed that. Last I heard, last week I think, or the one before, Canada was still recommending we get two doses of the same vaccine.
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I mean, two AZ, or one Moderna&one Pfizer, avoid mixing AZ with Moderna or Pfizer.
Quote from: The Larch on May 27, 2021, 04:44:00 PM
Over here we also have a mess regarding the 2nd AZ dose. Its delivery had been frozen until it was decided what to do about it, as the government wanted to phase it out, giving a Pfizer shot to those that received an AZ shot for their 1st dose, but some regions insisted in being allowed to use a 2nd AZ shot instead (I guess they still had a significant amount of doses stored). It was finally decided to allow offering a 2nd AZ shot, but people had to specifically ask for it (Pfizer would be the default one) and give consent ahead of it (and in the initial run it seemed that the overwhelming majority of people, 90%+, were sticking with a 2nd AZ shot rather than opting for the Pfizer one). Now it seems that the central government is mad at some regions that are actively encouraging people to get the 2nd AZ shot rather than the theoretically default option of Pfizer, as that seemed to be the agreement between the government and the regions.
Here the regulators that in all of the data of tens of millions of doses in the UK and EU there are no blood clotting cases following the second jab. So the approach is basically if you got AZ, you still get AZ. So I'll be getting my second dose of AZ in a week or so.
If you're under 40 you get to choose - but my understanding the default is Pfizer or Moderna.
I swear I'd read that some regulators were doing studies on mixing and matching doses and I'm sure it's fine but it feels a bit weird to be choosing to do it when you have enough supplies that you don't need to.
I was able to get my first.
Very bizarre experience, a cross section of the population all shuffling into the basketball arena. Like something out of Dr Who.
I got Pfizer. Seems yep, if you're under 40 thats what you get.
So far all good. After a few hours my arm is starting to feel a bit numb but not painfully or unworkably so.
Quote from: Tyr on May 28, 2021, 10:12:54 AM
I got Pfizer. Seems yep, if you're under 40 thats what you get.
So far all good. After a few hours my arm is starting to feel a bit numb but not painfully or unworkably so.
Worst I think it typically gets is up to level of a overworked out muscle/bruise. I kept off that side for one night and then was fine after.
Quote from: Jacob on May 27, 2021, 05:08:40 PM
Recent reporting in BC is that if you got AZ or Moderna for your first shot, you still may get Pfizer for the second. Mostly due to supply issues and, I suppose, the science showing it's more or less the same level of effectiveness.
It is going to be a choice for those who received AZ. Not sure what is happening for those who got Moderna. Mrs. CC just got her appointment for her second shot next week, so we shall see - Moderna was her first jab.
Also BC has reached 61% first jab coverage. That would be higher but the 12-17 year olds are only at 9% since that just started. Most age groups are in the 70% ranges.
It has been announce that my age group will start getting vaccinated next week. It has made me slightly anxious. :ph34r:
Quote from: The Larch on May 31, 2021, 05:58:39 AM
It has been announce that my age group will start getting vaccinated next week. It has made me slightly anxious. :ph34r:
How so? Vaccine uncertainty or "I best not get covid before"?
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Quote from: The Larch on May 31, 2021, 05:58:39 AM
It has been announce that my age group will start getting vaccinated next week. It has made me slightly anxious. :ph34r:
How so? Vaccine uncertainty or "I best not get covid before"?
I don't like needles... :ph34r:
I didn't feel my jab at all. Multiple people have reported the same.
I'll have to look the other way anyway. :lol:
Quote from: The Larch on May 31, 2021, 06:23:38 AM
I'll have to look the other way anyway. :lol:
Yeah same. I'm going to tell them beforehand that I tend to get queasy around hospitals, so they don't think I'm having an allergic reaction.
Quote from: The Larch on May 31, 2021, 06:23:38 AM
I'll have to look the other way anyway. :lol:
I don't mind getting shots, but the sight of blood makes me nauseous/feel faint. When I got my first covid shot, I was fortunately looking away because the nurse nicked a blood vessel and blood spurted out. :x
I'm ok, with blood. I used to donate blood regularly. My complexion always threw nurses off, though. "Do you feel all right?" - "Yeah, I'm always this pale." <_<
The only time that my knees felt week was when my son was 3 had blood drawn and he was sitting on my lap.
I'm not squeezy. It's just blood or shit or whatever. It'll wash off.
I get weak in the knees just entering a hospital. That smell, I can't stand it.
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I'll have to look the other way anyway. :lol:
Yeah same. I'm going to tell them beforehand that I tend to get queasy around hospitals, so they don't think I'm having an allergic reaction.
There's almost no time to look away. That's how quick it was.
So obviously the government is now backtracking on their ditching AZ/J&J move because Moderna can't deliver and Curevac approval is delayed. I don't know where that leaves the voluntary sign up or my chances of getting a vaccine before August.
Quote from: The Larch on May 31, 2021, 05:58:39 AM
It has been announce that my age group will start getting vaccinated next week. It has made me slightly anxious. :ph34r:
The needle they used on me was so tiny I didn't feel it at all. Compared to getting my flu shot it was nothing.
So maybe you have nothing to worry about.
Quote from: The Larch on May 31, 2021, 06:23:38 AM
I'll have to look the other way anyway. :lol:
Bring your phone and distract yourself with ridiculous videos.
... works for my kids anyhow.
If I see my own blood what still left of it in my body quickly flees out of my brain. But when it comes to injections or taking of blood samples I just look away and focus on not focusing on what's happening. Like that, jabs like this are easy.
I'm fairly relaxed - get blood tests every month or so. So I've become pretty used to needles and blood etc.
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Quote from: Liep on May 31, 2021, 06:08:01 AM
Quote from: The Larch on May 31, 2021, 05:58:39 AM
It has been announce that my age group will start getting vaccinated next week. It has made me slightly anxious. :ph34r:
How so? Vaccine uncertainty or "I best not get covid before"?
I don't like needles... :ph34r:
Having my second this afternoon. I dislike needles as well but the first was really the least intrusive needle in my arm I've ever felt. If I hadn't been focussing on it I probably wouldn't have noticed it.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 01, 2021, 03:45:31 AM
I'm fairly relaxed - get blood tests every month or so. So I've become pretty used to needles and blood etc.
Yeah, I was doing that for awhile and trained myself to watch.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 01, 2021, 03:45:31 AM
I'm fairly relaxed - get blood tests every month or so. So I've become pretty used to needles and blood etc.
Monthly blood tests? What for, may I ask?
Wild guess, making sure they are not infected with the other pandemic the world suffered through.
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Quote from: Sheilbh on June 01, 2021, 03:45:31 AM
I'm fairly relaxed - get blood tests every month or so. So I've become pretty used to needles and blood etc.
Monthly blood tests? What for, may I ask?
I have a type of arthritis - which is entirely under control: pain-free, no impact on my life etc. But that's because I take medication that can go badly so they need to monitor my bloods. But I've been taking it for the best part of a decade with no issue.
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Wild guess, making sure they are not infected with the other pandemic the world suffered through.
Yeah I get tested for that as well :lol: But not monthly and that's just a pin-prick test.
Never had any trouble with needles at all. Hope to get my first shot this June, too.
The goal in Austria was to offer a first shot to everyone who wants one by end of June. This will not be kept. This has been revised to July (for now). Part of it, besides the usual delay of vaccine deliveries, is that more people are willing to get vaccinated than half a year ago (shocker!).
Alberta announced a timeline for second shots! Apparently I can book it as of June 14. As for when I can receive it, I'm expecting some time in July.
Quote from: Zanza on May 27, 2021, 02:56:11 PM
My partner has her AZ appointment set now in two weeks as the other vaccines are still in short supply here and it does not look like non-priority patients get an mRNA vaccine here in the next weeks as all the second doses have to be administered and then children will likely get priority for mRNA vaccines...
She now got an appointment two days later with BioNTech. I guess that's a no brainer as the second dose is then much earlier too.
Colleague got her second shot today (she has thyroid issues). It seems there's only two persons in our office (of 20 people) who don't have any appointments yet (due to being young and healthy).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJanyQpf4kQ
West Virginia is raffling off five shot guns and five rifles to people who get vaccinated.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=how+many+vaccinated+in+iowa
Googled vaccination rate in Iowa and got this. So I browsed a couple states.
Based on the ones I looked at, blue states are around 60% vaccinated and red states are around 40%.
Yeah I don't think the US has good enough numbers to get to herd immunity. And some communities will have very little protection until they get infected.
Obviously I'd suggest outreach but I feel like Republican community leaders aren't really that willing to be helpful.
And even in blue states with decent overall numbers you'll still have pockets of utter idiots that have made resisting these kind of measures part of their identity. Just yesterday I read about the situation in some parts of Northern California that seem to be heavily populated by mouth breathing retards.
QuoteRural northern California is seeing a troubling rise in Covid-19 cases and hospitalizations, an alarming trend that comes as residents and businesses continue to protest against safety measures and vaccinations – with one Mendocino cafe threatening to charge customers $5 for wearing a mask.
While the region makes up a small proportion of the state's population, the growth in its caseload has been considerable, and comes at a time when the state overall is enjoying some of the lowest rates of Covid in the country. After largely avoiding the worst of the pandemic, a block of far northern California counties now leads the state with nearly 40 cases per 100,000 residents over the past week, according to statistics maintained by the Los Angeles Times. Tehama county ranked the highest in the LA Times case ratings with 139 cases per 100,000 residents. Meanwhile 10 of the 21 total Covid deaths in nearby Siskiyou county have occurred since the beginning of May.
The region has long been one of the most forceful in its pushback against measures such as masks, business restrictions and vaccine mandates – and the protests have only continued to gain steam. A cafe in the town of Mendocino made headlines after announcing it will charge customers a $5 fee if they order while wearing a mask. It also threatened to charge $5 to anyone "caught bragging about your vaccine".
"It's about time the proponents of these ineffective government measures start paying for the collateral damage they have collectively caused," the cafe owner Chris Castleman told NBC News. He also offered a 50% discount to customers who threw their masks in the trash.
George Rutherford, a professor of epidemiology at the University of California, San Francisco, said the current situation feels inevitable. "I was waiting for this to happen," he said, adding that the outbreaks mirror trends occurring in southern and eastern Oregon, just north of California's border. "It shows you where vaccination is lagging and transmission is taking place."
(...)
The region has been a hotbed of protest against the closures and restrictions implemented by the state's governor, Gavin Newsom, which were some of the earliest and most stringent in the US. The backlash has had political consequences – currently three supervisors in Shasta county are being threatened with recalls for supporting Covid safety measures, and the county's meetings are regularly mobbed with protesters calling for an end to business restrictions and mask-wearing.
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And even in blue states with decent overall numbers you'll still have pockets of utter idiots that have made resisting these kind of measures part of their identity. Just yesterday I read about the situation in some parts of Northern California that seem to be heavily populated by mouth breathing retards.
The solution to all of this is very simple: just pass a law that says that health insurance companies can deny coverage for Covid-related treatments to people that refuse to get vaccinated. Hopefully, the mouth-breathers won't be able to afford treatment on their own and will thus die off, improving the gene pool.
The restaurant that I work in (Florida)has gone mask optional for employees who are vaccinated starting this week. I will give my employer credit for doing a fairly good job of keeping covid out of the place of work. Masks have been mandatory while in the building, temperature checks and anyone with symptoms forbidden to come to work until tested negative. Compared to a lot of places this is pretty conscientious. We have had about 6 people out with covid in 18 months out of about 80 employees.
My girlfriends place, where she works had to shut down with a covid outbreak, had to fire one guy for coming to work with covid and lying about being tested and so on, a shit show more or less. They are going mask optional for employees who bring their vaccination cards.
My place its being done on the honor system. So about a quarter of the team is fully vaccinated , and we all know who is who. A few more are getting vaccinated. There are A LOT of holdouts, a few youngsters who can't get it together, but mostly the conservative media consumers and folklorists who have opined various degrees of covid denial/anti vaxx for the last 18 months, with varying degrees of sophistry. Some of these folks are keeping their masks on while they are out front. One or two have immediately gone completely maskless, triumphantly, while remaining unvaccinated.
amazing stuff from the restaurant industry trenches.
Getting a J&J tomorrow.
Quote from: Liep on June 04, 2021, 09:00:30 AM
Getting a J&J tomorrow.
Oh Single Dose power house over there!
Quote from: Liep on June 04, 2021, 09:00:30 AM
Getting a J&J tomorrow.
:cool:
Getting your life back fully in two weeks time.
People in the office are finally starting to get vaccinated (most of us are in the 40 to 50 yo range).
I should be getting an appointment in the next few days. :)
I just got randomly selected for a jab next Tuesday. Pfizer. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
I just got randomly selected for a jab next Tuesday. Pfizer. :thumbsup:
Did you choose with or without microchips?
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Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
I just got randomly selected for a jab next Tuesday. Pfizer. :thumbsup:
Did you choose with or without microchips?
With microchip for full feature list.
Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:36:17 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 04, 2021, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
I just got randomly selected for a jab next Tuesday. Pfizer. :thumbsup:
Did you choose with or without microchips?
With microchip for full feature list.
:cool:
Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
I just got randomly selected for a jab next Tuesday. Pfizer. :thumbsup:
iceland doing a lottery system?
Quote from: HVC on June 04, 2021, 11:10:50 AMiceland doing a lottery system?
Yeah, once those age 50+ and everyone with underlying conditions were vaccinated it's basically done as a lottery.
Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:36:17 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 04, 2021, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
I just got randomly selected for a jab next Tuesday. Pfizer. :thumbsup:
Did you choose with or without microchips?
With microchip for full feature list.
How long before full activation?
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Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:36:17 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 04, 2021, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
I just got randomly selected for a jab next Tuesday. Pfizer. :thumbsup:
Did you choose with or without microchips?
With microchip for full feature list.
How long before full activation?
Depends on the number of DLCs
I am immune now and can walk into a store without a mask.
Congrats!
Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
I just got randomly selected for a jab next Tuesday. Pfizer. :thumbsup:
I had the Pfizer, no real problems other than second dose made me an asshole. Since I was already one, nobody noticed.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 04, 2021, 10:37:56 PM
I am immune now and can walk into a store without a mask.
Can you walk, though? :hmm:
by half july I'll have had both. Moderna
Double-dosed (AZ)! :w00t:
Son of fromtia went off and got his shot. He got the Johnson and Johnson, sought it out even, because that was less "hassle" than getting two shots of pfizer. Unbelievable.
He also graduated high school, by some miracle of guile and low animal cunning.
My entire household is vaccinated. fromtia, partner of fromtia, son of fromtia and brother of partner of fromtia (long story).
Mother of son of fromtia , with whom I have an entirely good relationship post marriage (been divorced 11 years now) has apparently gone a bit anti-vaxx , which is a surprise to me. A lover of science, a lifelong Democrat. My son says shes trying to fit in with her partner (a lovely man) and his family who are rather conservative. Interesting.
Quote from: Liep on June 04, 2021, 09:00:30 AM
Getting a J&J tomorrow.
Bit of a headache yesterday evening but not much today. 13 days to full power!
There's a problem with JJ?
Quote from: Tyr on June 06, 2021, 03:30:23 PM
There's a problem with JJ?
Same type of tech as AZ, IIRC, so whatever someone may have against AZ they may also have against JJ.
I think enough people have now gotten the shot - or have access to the shot - that the poll is now worthwhile. It's changeable, so feel free to come back and update as fits.
Not yet, but I hope to get it this month. I'm 42 and they have just started vaccinating over 45s.
Quote from: celedhring on June 07, 2021, 09:56:06 AM
Not yet, but I hope to get it this month. I'm 42 and they have just started vaccinating over 45s.
how much time between doses?
In BC the second doses will now come 8 weeks after the first dose - they had originally been stretched out to 16 weeks because of a lack of supply. So about August before everyone who wants to be fully vaccinated can do so. Hopefully we are giving all the surplus we ordered to poorer regions of the world.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 07, 2021, 10:11:24 AM
Quote from: celedhring on June 07, 2021, 09:56:06 AM
Not yet, but I hope to get it this month. I'm 42 and they have just started vaccinating over 45s.
how much time between doses?
3 weeks for Pfizer, 4 for Moderna, 10-12 for AZ.
Quote from: celedhring on June 07, 2021, 10:34:33 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 07, 2021, 10:11:24 AM
Quote from: celedhring on June 07, 2021, 09:56:06 AM
Not yet, but I hope to get it this month. I'm 42 and they have just started vaccinating over 45s.
how much time between doses?
3 weeks for Pfizer, 4 for Moderna, 10-12 for AZ.
So, regular for the mRNA vaccines. Explains why only reaching the upper 40s now.
Quote from: celedhring on June 07, 2021, 09:56:06 AM
Not yet, but I hope to get it this month. I'm 42 and they have just started vaccinating over 45s.
Same, except I'm 41. :P
QuoteGreg Abbott
@GregAbbott_TX
I'm signing a law today that prohibits any business operating in Texas from requiring vaccine passports or any vaccine information.
Texas is open 100% without any restrictions or limitations or requirements.
6:30 PM · Jun 7, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
"Freedom of business." I guess it's fine as long as bigoted bakers can refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Syt on June 07, 2021, 11:52:13 AM
QuoteGreg Abbott
@GregAbbott_TX
I'm signing a law today that prohibits any business operating in Texas from requiring vaccine passports or any vaccine information.
Texas is open 100% without any restrictions or limitations or requirements.
6:30 PM · Jun 7, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
"Freedom of business." I guess it's fine as long as bigoted bakers can refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings. :rolleyes:
I mean no businesses were currently requiring any such information, nor had any ability to do so even if they wanted to under already existing laws. Symbolic culture war shit continues to dominate our political sphere.
And the Texas Republican party has completely abandoned any idea that businesses should be free from political inference...or really anybody should be. All shall be beholden to their cultural agenda...for our own good. They are so eager to come down on any local government or private company who disagrees with them. I just cannot count on the right wing for any thing.
Quote from: fromtia on June 06, 2021, 11:57:47 AM
Son of fromtia went off and got his shot. He got the Johnson and Johnson, sought it out even, because that was less "hassle" than getting two shots of pfizer. Unbelievable.
He also graduated high school, by some miracle of guile and low animal cunning.
My entire household is vaccinated. fromtia, partner of fromtia, son of fromtia and brother of partner of fromtia (long story).
Mother of son of fromtia , with whom I have an entirely good relationship post marriage (been divorced 11 years now) has apparently gone a bit anti-vaxx , which is a surprise to me. A lover of science, a lifelong Democrat. My son says shes trying to fit in with her partner (a lovely man) and his family who are rather conservative. Interesting.
Interesting indeed, Fromtia.
I haven't noticed any side effects. But I do spend a lot of time in pools of water with only my eyes and nose above the surface, waiting for wildebeest.
Quote from: PDH on June 04, 2021, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on June 04, 2021, 09:11:58 AM
I just got randomly selected for a jab next Tuesday. Pfizer. :thumbsup:
I had the Pfizer, no real problems other than second dose made me an asshole. Since I was already one, nobody noticed.
Yeah I barely noticed the jab. Donating blood is tougher and more involved than this.
Got my second AZ shot today.
Quote from: Tamas on June 08, 2021, 08:45:58 AM
Got my second AZ shot today.
Will you resume licking doorknobs immediately or will you wait 2 more weeks? :hmm: ;)
Quote from: Tamas on June 08, 2021, 08:45:58 AM
Got my second AZ shot today.
Second dose I had no side-effects. Not even a sore arm which has left me slightly panicked it's not working :lol:
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 08, 2021, 08:54:05 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 08, 2021, 08:45:58 AM
Got my second AZ shot today.
Second dose I had no side-effects. Not even a sore arm which has left me slightly panicked it's not working :lol:
Exactly the same here, no reactions; though I didn't panic, just confused by it.
Only side effect I've noticed from the Johnson is heartburn. Haven't had that since I became vegetarian.
The fact that rejecting the western tradition of medicine is now a "conservative" position blows my mind. I really have a hard time grappling with it.
I wonder if all those left wing looney Democrats who I used to get anti-vaxx propaganda from now love vaccines just because conservatives now hate them.
Do y'all not get seasonal flu shots?
It's the same needle and the same amount of pain but for many this is clearly a brand new experience.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
Do y'all not get seasonal flu shots?
It's the same needle and the same amount of pain but for many this is clearly a brand new experience.
I do and generally I find the flu shots to be a far more unpleasant experience than the COVID vaccine so that may be part of it.
Still much nicer than back when I used to get the flu every year of course.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
Do y'all not get seasonal flu shots?
It's the same needle and the same amount of pain but for many this is clearly a brand new experience.
Never had it, it hasn't been recommended broadly here.
Quote from: Liep on June 08, 2021, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
Do y'all not get seasonal flu shots?
It's the same needle and the same amount of pain but for many this is clearly a brand new experience.
Never had it, it hasn't been recommended broadly here.
Only recommended and free for people over 65 here.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
Do y'all not get seasonal flu shots?
It's the same needle and the same amount of pain but for many this is clearly a brand new experience.
I'm not elderly.
Yeah, 60+ only.
I am feeling it a bit in my shoulder when putting weight on it, then again I think it's just the needle wound, the guy was an even bigger butcher than the one who did the first.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
Do y'all not get seasonal flu shots?
It's the same needle and the same amount of pain but for many this is clearly a brand new experience.
I never did. I was always in the "it's not a big deal, I have a good immune system and I'm too lazy to go get the shot" camp, with a little dash of "I'm all for medical science when it's necessary, but if I don't need it I forego pharmaceuticals - and I don't really need a flu shot."
... but I've had a bit of a perception shift here, so I'll be getting them moving forward.
I have been getting them every year since I passed from that phase Jacob described.
Quote from: Valmy on June 08, 2021, 02:57:07 PM
The fact that rejecting the western tradition of medicine is now a "conservative" position blows my mind. I really have a hard time grappling with it.
I wonder if all those left wing looney Democrats who I used to get anti-vaxx propaganda from now love vaccines just because conservatives now hate them.
I thought that anti-vaxx was left as well, but it seems it was mostly a right-wing from the start. That really surprised me. I thought it was some sort of hippie-my-body-is-a-temple thing. There is some of that but it is more prevalent on the right.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
Do y'all not get seasonal flu shots?
It's the same needle and the same amount of pain but for many this is clearly a brand new experience.
I used to when my kids were smaller but one year it triggered my allergies for longer than actual flu would be so I've stopped.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 08, 2021, 10:15:29 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
Do y'all not get seasonal flu shots?
It's the same needle and the same amount of pain but for many this is clearly a brand new experience.
I used to when my kids were smaller but one year it triggered my allergies for longer than actual flu would be so I've stopped.
Yeah not everybody can take one. But if the rest of us do it will protect people like you!
Got my shot booked, will be getting it on June 24th.
Quote from: The Larch on June 07, 2021, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: celedhring on June 07, 2021, 09:56:06 AM
Not yet, but I hope to get it this month. I'm 42 and they have just started vaccinating over 45s.
Same, except I'm 41. :P
Get off my lawn!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
Do y'all not get seasonal flu shots?
It's the same needle and the same amount of pain but for many this is clearly a brand new experience.
Nope. I haven't had the flu in 30+ years. Now that I'm full-time wfh, I see no reason to add it to the rotation.
I've had the flu shot for the last couple of years. It's recommended by my doc and I can get it while on the clock (we have medical staff on payroll), so I really can't see the downside.
As for Covid, appointments for my age bracket were finally open today. :)
I had the flu shot once, many years ago. Didn't even notice when the needle went in.
These two AZ shots though I MOST definitely felt. It wasn't anything tragic, but quite a sharp pain. Could be because it was volunteers and not a trained nurse of course, and it's far from being a big deal. It's very little to pay to become protected from a pandemic.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2021, 03:03:43 PM
Do y'all not get seasonal flu shots?
It's the same needle and the same amount of pain but for many this is clearly a brand new experience.
I get it most years. It's the same needle, but definately the same amount of pain for me. I could get a sore arm for 30 min to 2hrs with a flu shot (not always, I think it happened only the first time), not being unable to sleep on this side for 2 days.
I started getting flu shots several years ago when it clicked with me that my flu could kill someone else, and that I may even be aware that it did and thus have it on my conscience for the rest of my life.
Finally got an appointment for getting my shot tomorrow.
Dunno what I'm getting.
There are only very minor control measures formally in place here yet no one is coming in off the street with covid. Plenty of dumbass unvaccinated travelers getting diagnosed while in quarantine though. They're probably getting infected by other travelers while in the cattle car indoor transit situations while en route to Iceland Locally the vaccines, even if people have only had one jab are definitely breaking transmission chains. :hmm:
Quote from: Legbiter on June 10, 2021, 07:34:03 AM
There are only very minor control measures formally in place here yet no one is coming in off the street with covid. Plenty of dumbass unvaccinated travelers getting diagnosed while in quarantine though. They're probably getting infected by other travelers while in the cattle car indoor transit situations while en route to Iceland Locally the vaccines, even if people have only had one jab are definitely breaking transmission chains. :hmm:
So Iceland does not require vaccinated status for travellers? Surprising.
Quote from: celedhring on June 10, 2021, 06:02:07 AM
Finally got an appointment for getting my shot tomorrow.
Dunno what I'm getting.
Don't they show you both appointments? You can tell which one it is by the time lapse between shots.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 10, 2021, 10:18:08 AMSo Iceland does not require vaccinated status for travellers? Surprising.
If you're fully vaccinated you only get tested once on arrival. If you're unvaccinated you get put into a
prison camp quarantine hotel for a week and tested again before you can go on. It's been very effective.
I have an appointment for my second dose! :yeah:
Quote from: Iormlund on June 10, 2021, 10:24:51 AM
Quote from: celedhring on June 10, 2021, 06:02:07 AM
Finally got an appointment for getting my shot tomorrow.
Dunno what I'm getting.
Don't they show you both appointments? You can tell which one it is by the time lapse between shots.
Just came back. It was Pfizer, so next shot is in 21 days.
Quote from: celedhring on June 11, 2021, 04:24:45 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on June 10, 2021, 10:24:51 AM
Quote from: celedhring on June 10, 2021, 06:02:07 AM
Finally got an appointment for getting my shot tomorrow.
Dunno what I'm getting.
Don't they show you both appointments? You can tell which one it is by the time lapse between shots.
Just came back. It was Pfizer, so next shot is in 21 days.
I've still about 2 months to my next one. <_<
Quote from: Legbiter on June 10, 2021, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 10, 2021, 10:18:08 AMSo Iceland does not require vaccinated status for travellers? Surprising.
If you're fully vaccinated you only get tested once on arrival. If you're unvaccinated you get put into a prison camp quarantine hotel for a week and tested again before you can go on. It's been very effective.
And unless you're fully vaccinated you still need a negative PCR test pre-flight to board - it just shows how ineffective a control measure the negative test is (see also the delta variant in the UK).
Finally got my mom to get her first shot.
Ultimately, Delta variant scaremongering won over AZ scaremongering.
Next week we'll have vaccinated every age cohort at least once. :cool:
My partners mam has booked a trip to the UK for next month.
She will have to quarantine 10 days it seems but isn't bothered as she will stay with us and is mainly coming to see the baby anyway.
Annoyingly she has to pay for the full testing process despite being fully vaccinated.
Does that mean you have to quarantine for 10 days?
Just received my appointment for the 1st dose, friday next week.
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2021, 06:50:05 AM
Does that mean you have to quarantine for 10 days?
That's the stupid thing. She isn't allowed to leave our house but we are free to go out as we please.
Quote from: Tyr on June 17, 2021, 07:05:57 AM
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2021, 06:50:05 AM
Does that mean you have to quarantine for 10 days?
That's the stupid thing. She isn't allowed to leave our house but we are free to go out as we please.
:o :bleeding:
Quote from: Legbiter on June 17, 2021, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: Tyr on June 17, 2021, 07:05:57 AM
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2021, 06:50:05 AM
Does that mean you have to quarantine for 10 days?
That's the stupid thing. She isn't allowed to leave our house but we are free to go out as we please.
:o :bleeding:
:bowler:
Quote from: The Larch on June 17, 2021, 07:00:33 AM
Just received my appointment for the 1st dose, friday next week.
:thumbsup:
Whatchu getting?
Quote from: celedhring on June 11, 2021, 04:24:45 AM
Just came back. It was Pfizer, so next shot is in 21 days.
Same. No magnetism detected so far. Just sore shoulder. <_<
I feel like I've always had a magnetic personality, but I haven't noticed a change since I got the first shot....
Quote from: Legbiter on June 17, 2021, 02:26:35 PM
Quote from: The Larch on June 17, 2021, 07:00:33 AM
Just received my appointment for the 1st dose, friday next week.
:thumbsup:
Whatchu getting?
Don't know yet.
Got my second jab today - BioNTech instead of AstraZeneca this time. I had a choice and the current recommendation is to get BioNTech in my age bracket. I also read that it has a higher efficacy against the Delta variant.
I also got the digital European Union vaccination certificate for my phone. Pretty smooth process.
Mixing jabs increases immunity to variants anyway.
Quote from: Zanza on June 21, 2021, 05:01:19 AM
Got my second jab today - BioNTech instead of AstraZeneca this time. I had a choice and the current recommendation is to get BioNTech in my age bracket. I also read that it has a higher efficacy against the Delta variant.
I also got the digital European Union vaccination certificate for my phone. Pretty smooth process.
That is great.
I am eagerly waiting my second jab which will hopefully come next week. Had AZ for the first jab and I was hoping to get the Pfizer or Moderna but Pfizer supply was disrupted last week. AZ might have to be one I take.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 21, 2021, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: Zanza on June 21, 2021, 05:01:19 AM
Got my second jab today - BioNTech instead of AstraZeneca this time. I had a choice and the current recommendation is to get BioNTech in my age bracket. I also read that it has a higher efficacy against the Delta variant.
I also got the digital European Union vaccination certificate for my phone. Pretty smooth process.
That is great.
I am eagerly waiting my second jab which will hopefully come next week. Had AZ for the first jab and I was hoping to get the Pfizer or Moderna but Pfizer supply was disrupted last week. AZ might have to be one I take.
We just got a boatload of Moderna shots from the US so that would be my guess unless you absolutely insist on an AZ second shot.
I just saw soem tweets from Alberta's CMOH Dr Hinshaw saying how the mRNA shots are not identical but are interchangeable, specifically saying it's okay to get Moderna if your first shot was Pfizer, so I think that's what's behind it.
Quote from: Barrister on June 21, 2021, 12:02:13 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 21, 2021, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: Zanza on June 21, 2021, 05:01:19 AM
Got my second jab today - BioNTech instead of AstraZeneca this time. I had a choice and the current recommendation is to get BioNTech in my age bracket. I also read that it has a higher efficacy against the Delta variant.
I also got the digital European Union vaccination certificate for my phone. Pretty smooth process.
That is great.
I am eagerly waiting my second jab which will hopefully come next week. Had AZ for the first jab and I was hoping to get the Pfizer or Moderna but Pfizer supply was disrupted last week. AZ might have to be one I take.
We just got a boatload of Moderna shots from the US so that would be my guess unless you absolutely insist on an AZ second shot.
I just saw soem tweets from Alberta's CMOH Dr Hinshaw saying how the mRNA shots are not identical but are interchangeable, specifically saying it's okay to get Moderna if your first shot was Pfizer, so I think that's what's behind it.
My preference is to get Moderna or Pfizer based on the recent findings that the mix with an initial AZ jab gives better protection. Happy to get either.
But if AZ is my only choice, I will get that also. I suspect we are all going to be getting boosters within a year anyway.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 21, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
My preference is to get Moderna or Pfizer based on the recent findings that the mix with an initial AZ jab gives better protection. Happy to get either.
But if AZ is my only choice, I will get that also. I suspect we are all going to be getting boosters within a year anyway.
I would bet money that you'll be offered a Moderna shot. I've read in a couple places that Pfizer is having supply issues, but we got millions of Moderna shots from the US (and they're trying to side-line AZ).
Like you, I'd take whatever they give me (I'm booked for the 29th, supposedly for Pfizer as that was my first). I'd even take all 3 if they let me. Heck, we've all been so immersed in talking about vaccines I went back and got a prescription for two more non-covid vaccines that had been recommended to me, oh, 8 years ago by a doctor that I never followed up on until now. :lol: (against some bacterial infections because of my no-spleen thing).
Quote from: Barrister on June 21, 2021, 12:27:10 PM
I would bet money that you'll be offered a Moderna shot. I've read in a couple places that Pfizer is having supply issues, but we got millions of Moderna shots from the US (and they're trying to side-line AZ).
That's weird. We're getting millions of Pfizer jabs. Supply has really shot up since the second site went online.
Quote from: Iormlund on June 21, 2021, 12:37:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 21, 2021, 12:27:10 PM
I would bet money that you'll be offered a Moderna shot. I've read in a couple places that Pfizer is having supply issues, but we got millions of Moderna shots from the US (and they're trying to side-line AZ).
That's weird. We're getting millions of Pfizer jabs. Supply has really shot up since the second site went online.
I cant' source exactly why, but a few articles have references a delay in Pfizer doses. Here's one about Ontario:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-pfizer-covid19-vaccine-delay-1.6072935
(but the situationis the same across the country, as the Federal government was the one in charge of obtaining vaccines)
Quote from: Iormlund on June 21, 2021, 12:37:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 21, 2021, 12:27:10 PM
I would bet money that you'll be offered a Moderna shot. I've read in a couple places that Pfizer is having supply issues, but we got millions of Moderna shots from the US (and they're trying to side-line AZ).
That's weird. We're getting millions of Pfizer jabs. Supply has really shot up since the second site went online.
It goes in waves really. We had 2 really good months of Pfizer delivery while Moderna was shitting the bed. Now, Pfizer gets disrupted for about ~3 weeks (this is week 1) and Moderna is actually delivering.
My Regional Health Unit as always been the idiot brother in the RHU Quebec's family and right now, it really shows.
Quote from: Barrister on June 21, 2021, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 21, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
My preference is to get Moderna or Pfizer based on the recent findings that the mix with an initial AZ jab gives better protection. Happy to get either.
But if AZ is my only choice, I will get that also. I suspect we are all going to be getting boosters within a year anyway.
I would bet money that you'll be offered a Moderna shot. I've read in a couple places that Pfizer is having supply issues, but we got millions of Moderna shots from the US (and they're trying to side-line AZ).
Like you, I'd take whatever they give me (I'm booked for the 29th, supposedly for Pfizer as that was my first). I'd even take all 3 if they let me. Heck, we've all been so immersed in talking about vaccines I went back and got a prescription for two more non-covid vaccines that had been recommended to me, oh, 8 years ago by a doctor that I never followed up on until now. :lol: (against some bacterial infections because of my no-spleen thing).
I should have taken the bet. :D I just received a text from the pharmacy where I got my first jab (AZ is administered through pharmacies here and the others are administered through the provincial health services) offering to give me my next AZ jab in the next three days. My appointment is now booked for 10am tomorrow. :cool:
I have the option of waiting to get one of the others. But I am going with the often repeated mantra that the best vaccine is the one you are offered first.
Glad to hear you're getting your second shot!
Interesting twist, this morning I received a text from the provincial health system inviting me to book a Pfizer/Moderna shot. The earliest I could get that would be July 4, so I will keep this one. If I could also get it today, it would be an interesting moral dilemma but one I don't have to face.
edit: I should add the moral dilemma is caused by the fact that many are now turning down AZ here because of the Feds saying Pfizer/Moderna is "preferred" for people who had AZ as their first jab. Since then our provincial health officials have been trying to explain what that means and that is definitely does not mean that we should not get AZ. AS bit of a PR clusterfuck caused by the Feds.
Randomly looking at local reddit saw there were walk in appointments for the second dose nearby. Very small lines. Fully vaccinated 💪
I find it weird there's so much mixing and matching going. I remember a NYT article back in January noting as Britain taking another risk with vaccines (as well as quick approval and delayed second doses) that it was permissible to mix and match - but it turned out the guidance was actually identical to the CDC and that you should only mix and match if you can't identify what dose the person had first or basically it's giving them the wrong second dose or nothing.
It seems strange that we've moved so far on this, especially as (and I could be wrong) I don't think I've seen any studies on it - though I know plenty are being done with people thinking about booster shots.
I'm sure it's absolutely fine it just seems odd :hmm:
Also - and I don't think this message gets through enough - the UK regulator has said about the AZ issue that in their review of all UK and European data there are zero cases of blood clotting after the second dose.
Got my 2nd dose appointment move up to July 11.
I've noticed that the UK is starting to become a free-for-all. I'm seeing more and more stories of people getting their 2nd dose at any interval after 4 weeks.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 23, 2021, 07:50:29 AM
I find it weird there's so much mixing and matching going. I remember a NYT article back in January noting as Britain taking another risk with vaccines (as well as quick approval and delayed second doses) that it was permissible to mix and match - but it turned out the guidance was actually identical to the CDC and that you should only mix and match if you can't identify what dose the person had first or basically it's giving them the wrong second dose or nothing.
It seems strange that we've moved so far on this, especially as (and I could be wrong) I don't think I've seen any studies on it - though I know plenty are being done with people thinking about booster shots.
I'm sure it's absolutely fine it just seems odd :hmm:
Also - and I don't think this message gets through enough - the UK regulator has said about the AZ issue that in their review of all UK and European data there are zero cases of blood clotting after the second dose.
I read in an article I think about Merkel getting vaccine 2 was its now tentatively recommended to mix?
Quote from: garbon on June 23, 2021, 08:24:11 AM
I've noticed that the UK is starting to become a free-for-all. I'm seeing more and more stories of people getting their 2nd dose at any interval after 4 weeks.
Yeah I think they're definitely pushing 2nd doses as soon as they can now. I wonder if part of it is because the shift to getting the priority groups their second dose meant that in April and May far fewer people were getting their first doses, so now they can speed up the second doses a lot.
I've also read that a new challenge now is the NHS is far less likely to have up-to-date data for young people because they're less ill/likely to engage with the NHS a lot, they're less likely to have permanent permanent addresses (I went through a phase of basically living at a new address every year because landlords) or maybe the wrong address (if they're registered at parents/uni but live at the other) etc. So apparently that's why they're moving more to the big stadium/event model. I think Sadiq is tweeting out every day the list of walk-in vaccination centres in different bits of London that day. From what I've read take-up is good but it is far less easy practically than it was for older groups and we maybe need to embrace a slightly more chaotic model :hmm:
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 23, 2021, 08:35:53 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 23, 2021, 08:24:11 AM
I've noticed that the UK is starting to become a free-for-all. I'm seeing more and more stories of people getting their 2nd dose at any interval after 4 weeks.
Yeah I think they're definitely pushing 2nd doses as soon as they can now. I wonder if part of it is because the shift to getting the priority groups their second dose meant that in April and May far fewer people were getting their first doses, so now they can speed up the second doses a lot.
I've also read that a new challenge now is the NHS is far less likely to have up-to-date data for young people because they're less ill/likely to engage with the NHS a lot, they're less likely to have permanent permanent addresses (I went through a phase of basically living at a new address every year because landlords) or maybe the wrong address (if they're registered at parents/uni but live at the other) etc. So apparently that's why they're moving more to the big stadium/event model. I think Sadiq is tweeting out every day the list of walk-in vaccination centres in different bits of London that day. From what I've read take-up is good but it is far less easy practically than it was for older groups and we maybe need to embrace a slightly more chaotic model :hmm:
We don't have 2nd dose booked until August but we're going to start just going to walk-in/pop-up centres and see if we can get 2nd dose given we had our first doses over 4 weeks ago.
I think they've definitely said everyone can re-book if they're booked for 12 weeks away and move it to 8 weeks away. Don't know about the walk-in centres.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 23, 2021, 08:39:25 AM
I think they've definitely said everyone can re-book if they're booked for 12 weeks away and move it to 8 weeks away. Don't know about the walk-in centres.
Yes, but they did it in an awful way. If you go into the system, you can check if there is availability at your booked centre only. If there isn't availability then only option is to cancel completely on off-chance you can find something sooner. I tried calling 119 and they were like yeah we use same system as you so can't tell you if there is availability sooner. I'm too afraid to give up that slot on hopes of something 4 weeks sooner.
I've already seen in far away places like Harrow, they have said that any from 4 weeks post-jab was welcome to their walk-in/pop-up events. Have also seen accounts on social media of people getting sooner and by my math, Jos wasn't even at 4 weeks. :) Most around me say needs to be at least 8 weeks but there are some they have no details so hoping if go later in day, they'll go oh yeah have this that we have lying around. :D
Definitely feels weird though to be scoping all the angles on how to get a vaccine. Not an anticipated behavior in my life. :mellow:
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 23, 2021, 07:50:29 AM
I find it weird there's so much mixing and matching going. I remember a NYT article back in January noting as Britain taking another risk with vaccines (as well as quick approval and delayed second doses) that it was permissible to mix and match - but it turned out the guidance was actually identical to the CDC and that you should only mix and match if you can't identify what dose the person had first or basically it's giving them the wrong second dose or nothing.
It seems strange that we've moved so far on this, especially as (and I could be wrong) I don't think I've seen any studies on it - though I know plenty are being done with people thinking about booster shots.
I'm sure it's absolutely fine it just seems odd :hmm:
Also - and I don't think this message gets through enough - the UK regulator has said about the AZ issue that in their review of all UK and European data there are zero cases of blood clotting after the second dose.
The first preliminary study showing a potential benefit to mixing an initial AZ shot with one of the others was released in May (if memory serves me, out of Spain). Since then there have been other initial results from other studies demonstrating potential benefits. The main purpose of those studies was to see if there was a health risk to do so. So reassuring that there is none and maybe even a benefit. fyi, based on these studies the Canadian Federal guidance is that mixing is now the recommended "preferred" option for first AZ jab people. And that has caused no end of problems.
Got Moderna shot no. 2 this morning. Feeling fine so far, let's hope it stays that way. *knocks on wood*
Wood knocking didn't help. Slept badly because every time I turned to lie on my vaccinated arm I woke up. Also running a fever this morning. Yay! :D
Got an appointment for my second shot next Friday - I'm going on a short holiday afterwards so I hope the side effects don't kick too badly...
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 23, 2021, 08:39:25 AM
I think they've definitely said everyone can re-book if they're booked for 12 weeks away and move it to 8 weeks away. Don't know about the walk-in centres.
As mentioned I went to a walk in centre this week and got my second one 5 weeks after my first. Wasn't booked until August..
I had a bit of sore arm and tiredness this time but my partner got it rough. Proper fever et al.
Quote from: Tyr on June 25, 2021, 04:35:26 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 23, 2021, 08:39:25 AM
I think they've definitely said everyone can re-book if they're booked for 12 weeks away and move it to 8 weeks away. Don't know about the walk-in centres.
As mentioned I went to a walk in centre this week and got my second one 5 weeks after my first. Wasn't booked until August..
I've now booked in for a walk-in centre that wanted people to ideally book by eventbrite in my borough. I noticed that they keep changing whether only for first jabs and whether or not they will enforce 8 weeks. Figure no harm in checking it out.
I've also tried setting up something to monitor web page that it kept up-to-date about walk-in centres pop-ups as I saw that there had been yesterday afternoon a place doing 1st and 2nd jabs with no mention of 8 weeks but somehow missed that as must have only been listed around lunch time.
What a world. -_-
Quote from: Syt on June 24, 2021, 11:34:24 PM
Wood knocking didn't help. Slept badly because every time I turned to lie on my vaccinated arm I woke up. Also running a fever this morning. Yay! :D
5G activation as planned! :tinfoil:
I've just been Pfiferized. :ph34r:
Quote from: The Larch on June 25, 2021, 01:11:20 PM
I've just been Pfiferized. :ph34r:
Hmm, I'm not seeing it yet. Did they give you a serial number or frequency?
Garbo - take it you've seen this but just in case not:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/london/our-work/covid-19-vaccination-programme-2/covid-19-vaccine-sites-in-london/
Interestingly nothing in my borough tho :hmm:
Edit: :huh: If you click on the "find out more", at least for South London, it takes you to all that areas walk in sites as currently planned - at least into early July.
Ah thanks that's helpful in case tomorrow turns me away, see some backups for Sunday.
I've been using this and then using a chrome widget to scrape every 30 minutes for changes.
https://selondonccg.nhs.uk/what-we-do/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine/pop-up-clinics/
Edit: which is apparently the find out more on yours
And got my 2nd jab! :w00t:
:w00t:
Feeling a lot better today. Yesterday was a bit of a wash, but no temperature, and arm's fine again, too. :)
Quote from: Syt on June 26, 2021, 10:16:03 AM
Feeling a lot better today. Yesterday was a bit of a wash, but no temperature, and arm's fine again, too. :)
:cheers:
I am trying to find if you are still expected to wait 8 weeks for your second Pfizer shot (for my wife) or you can walk in for one after 4.
It depends on the walk-in centres' rules but you can walk-in after 4 weeks in some of them :)
I'd just go. I think a lot are saying still 8 weeks but then not actually enforcing that. I think that's because they are still trying to get those needing a first dose and don't want to open the floodgaes to all needing 2nd dose like if they advertised they are giving out 2nd doses.
I was at 4.5 weeks getting mine today.
Doctors have started recommending again that the second shot be done after 4 weeks (5 weeks seems the norm at the moment).
Second BioNTech shot today! Full 5G microchip activation within the next 336 hours.
Second Moderna shot on July 7th. Hope I won't be sick... A girl I know was apparently sick for 3 weeks, with a trip to the ER after her first Pfizer shot. She's somewhat.. difficult to convince that a vaccine is better than getting sick :D
Quote from: viper37 on June 29, 2021, 05:34:05 PM
Second Moderna shot on July 7th. Hope I won't be sick... A girl I know was apparently sick for 3 weeks, with a trip to the ER after her first Pfizer shot. She's somewhat.. difficult to convince that a vaccine is better than getting sick :D
If it is any comfort two members of the CC clan has had moderna as the second shot - one had a first shot of Pfizer and the other Moderna. Neither had any side effects of note on the second dose.
I also didn't have symptoms with my second jab of AZ - although the first really laid me out for a couple of days.
My 2nd dose will be Pfizer it looks like. No super Voltron powers for me.
I am: double-Pfizerized. :cool:
I'll let you know about side-effects.
That was about 9 weeks between doses.
Quote from: Tamas on June 26, 2021, 11:37:58 AM
I am trying to find if you are still expected to wait 8 weeks for your second Pfizer shot (for my wife) or you can walk in for one after 4.
I think I was 4 1/2. About a month between them for sure.
It seems I could've waited in line and still got Pfizered before my summer vacation because Denmark just bought 1 million doses from Romania who can't use them before their expiration date.
How on earth did Romania end up with so many :blink:
I'd rather ask how the hell they managed to not use them.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 30, 2021, 07:22:59 AM
I'd rather ask how the hell they managed to not use them.
Yeah - that's ridiculous.
Looking at the ECDC tracker on Romania:
https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
It looks like Romania's just stopped. Their figures have plateaued since about the start of May and I can't easily see why - because I assume, especially given what Liep said, that they are getting vaccines and bought them through the EU scheme. It is baffling :hmm:
Vaccinations finally picking up in Korea. Over 25% have the first shot now. Still gonna be a month or two before I get one though, I think.
I wonder if there is a virus going around turning people into anti-vaxxers, much like toxoplasmosis makes mice like cats. That would be the most incredible evolutionary adaptation of viruses to human countermeasures ever discovered.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 30, 2021, 07:29:39 AM
Yeah - that's ridiculous.
Looking at the ECDC tracker on Romania:
https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
It looks like Romania's just stopped. Their figures have plateaued since about the start of May and I can't easily see why - because I assume, especially given what Liep said, that they are getting vaccines and bought them through the EU scheme. It is baffling :hmm:
Probably similar to the US. We've stalled out at 50%. County health departments have stopped ordering doses because people have stopped getting vaccinated.
18 hours later and still just soreness at the injection site.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2021, 11:44:51 AM
Probably similar to the US. We've stalled out at 50%. County health departments have stopped ordering doses because people have stopped getting vaccinated.
They're at 30%. I can't believe they've run out of people who want to get the vaccine :blink:
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 30, 2021, 12:37:09 PM
They're at 30%. I can't believe they've run out of people who want to get the vaccine :blink:
I can.
I asked my favorite sex cam worker if she had been vaccinated and she said no. She's Russian, but you know, Slavs.
Romanians are not slavs. :secret:
Really? I know they speak a Romance language, but not ethnically Slavic?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2021, 12:49:56 PM
Really? I know they speak a Romance language, but not ethnically Slavic?
Nope. From wiki:
QuoteTwo theories account for the origin of the Romanian people. One, known as the Daco-Roman continuity theory, posits that they are descendants of Romans and Romanized indigenous peoples living in the Roman Province of Dacia, while the other posits that the Romanians are descendants of Romans and Romanized indigenous populations of the former Roman provinces of Illyricum, Moesia, Thracia, and Macedonia, and the ancestors of Romanians later migrated from these Roman provinces south of the Danube into the area which they inhabit today.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg/800px-Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2021, 12:49:56 PM
Really? I know they speak a Romance language, but not ethnically Slavic?
Well I mean probably everybody is mixed up together by now but the Vlachs and the other Eastern Romance speakers have always been considered distinct from the Slavs I think.
I think, it is not like I have closely researched the topic.
So from that map it seems pretty likely Romanians and Greeks all have some Slavic ancestry there, except maybe the ones on islands or deep in the Romanian interior or something. But from a cultural perspective they are distinct.
Quote from: Tyr on June 30, 2021, 05:21:50 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 26, 2021, 11:37:58 AM
I am trying to find if you are still expected to wait 8 weeks for your second Pfizer shot (for my wife) or you can walk in for one after 4.
I think I was 4 1/2. About a month between them for sure.
I see the guardian now has coverage about how JCVI is getting angry that GPS and vaccination centres are giving jabs at minimum approved interval rather than 12 weeks. They are also saying latest evidence is that 12 weeks is best though only thing I see is that Birmingham study that looked at 175 people who were 80 years and older.
Per the guardians description of young people using twitter to find out vaccination centres they believe will give them vaccine earlier / that they turned out in droves last weekend, I'm clinging on to being a young person. ^_^
I also feel like it's slightly burying the lede because surely this is the bigger story :lol: :blink:
QuoteEvidence is emerging that under-18s in some parts of London have already starting receiving their first doses even though the NHS has not yet given the green light for that age group to be jabbed. Teenagers aged 17 and in some cases 16 have been getting jabs in the boroughs of Enfield, Hounslow and Brent despite not having an underlying condition or living with someone who does.
Incredibly tightly controlled, well-managed vaccine roll-out for six months and now everyone's like we'll just jab anyone :lol:
But if it avoids doses going to waste - jab away.
Edit: Also - map of covid vaccinations which is fascinating
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/vaccinations
Edit: Couple of things that stand out immediately is the impact of age - among the least vaccinated areas are big university towns: Exeter, Cambridge, Oxford, Nottingham. London is also fairly low - but again it's significantly younger than the rest of the country. But also it looks like the least vaccinated areas are incredibly posh/expensive bits of Central London - Fitzrovia etc - which I assume is because they didn't do it through the NHS.
Quote from: DGuller on June 30, 2021, 08:54:43 AM
I wonder if there is a virus going around turning people into anti-vaxxers, much like toxoplasmosis makes mice like cats. That would be the most incredible evolutionary adaptation of viruses to human countermeasures ever discovered.
I saw one study positing that covid-19 put some people in a state of, sort-of "euphoria" that made them forget they were sick, and that was what led to asymptomatic carriers. They called it a zombie disease, like a few others. Haven't seen this theory floated anywhere else.
Quote from: garbon on June 30, 2021, 04:10:04 PM
I see the guardian now has coverage about how JCVI is getting angry that GPS and vaccination centres are giving jabs at minimum approved interval rather than 12 weeks. They are also saying latest evidence is that 12 weeks is best though only thing I see is that Birmingham study that looked at 175 people who were 80 years and older.
I thought the longer delay was better only for the AZ vaccine and it made no diff (so far) for mRNA ones?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 30, 2021, 12:37:09 PM
They're at 30%. I can't believe they've run out of people who want to get the vaccine :blink:
I can.
I asked my favorite sex cam worker if she had been vaccinated and she said no. She's Russian, but you know, Slavs.
It turns out you're absolutely right :ph34r:
QuoteEastern Europe Is Racing to Use Covid Shots Before They Expire
By Andra Timu and Slav Okov
1 July 2021, 05:00 BST
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A nurse carries a box of Pfizer BioNTech vaccines near Hunedoara in western Romania.
Photographer: DANIEL MIHAILESCU/AFP/Getty Images
In the eastern corner of the European Union, two countries are desperately trying to avoid wasting a precious commodity: Covid-19 vaccines.
Demand for inoculations has plunged in Romania and Bulgaria, leaving stockpiles of shots that officials need to use fast before their expiry dates. The alternative would be to destroy them, which would be a depressing outcome given the shortage of shots elsewhere, such as in poorer African nations.
With spares doses piling up, shots are being sold or donated to other countries, governments want deliveries delayed, and Bulgaria's hotel industry is pushing to have free vaccinations given to foreign visitors. Demand in Romania has dropped to such an extent that members of Argentina's national rugby team were able to get their shots in Bucharest this month ahead of a match.
Hesitancy in the two countries stems from a long-standing distrust in the authorities, as well as skepticism about some vaccines, particularly after the AstraZeneca Plc safety concerns. In Romania, just 24% of the population is fully vaccinated, and Bulgaria's figure is half that.
Romania's situation is more pressing, with 35,000 of its Astra doses expired as of Wednesday. (Manufacturers are testing to see if shelf life can be extended.)
Bulgaria has about 20,000 with an end-July deadline, though it hopes to use many as second doses before then. But both want to delay more deliveries to avoid oversupply; in Romania's case, 4.4 million due in the next two months.
The low vaccination rates are a risk for the EU's efforts to get past the pandemic. The bloc is already contending with the threat of the virus's delta strain, which is spreading from the U.K as public-health restrictions are loosened and people embark on summer holidays.
"The recent sales or donations won't impact the availability of the vaccine for our citizens," Andrei Baciu, Romania's deputy health minister, said in a phone interview. "But we need to find a balance for the vaccine flows so that we maximize the benefits for everyone."
With demand dropping in Bulgaria, the government plans to donate 150,000 doses -- mostly Astra -- to neighboring countries in the Balkans. The country's tourism lobby wants foreign visitors to get jabs for free.
"Since Bulgaria and all of us have paid for those doses with our taxes, we suggest they're used to stimulate vaccine tourism instead of throwing them in the bin," Polina Karastoyanova, managing director of the National Board of Tourism, said last week.
In Romania, the government is shifting its focus from cities to rural areas in a bid to rescue its faltering inoculation campaign. It's counting on local doctors who have close ties with local communities to help convince people of the benefits.
But it's facing an uphill battle to shift attitudes.
"I'm still skeptical about vaccines because I have doubts about their safety and long-term side effects," said 37-year-old Cristina Florescu from the north-eastern town of Suceava. "I already have side effects from having had Covid and I don't want to expose myself to other substances."
The government also doesn't appear to have high hopes that its initiatives will yield quick success. It agreed this week to sell almost 1.2 million of its Pfizer Inc. shots to Denmark.
"We receive daily requests," Prime Minister Florin Citu said. "We're selling to Denmark and we're going to sell to more countries."
— With assistance by Irina Vilcu
I have no idea how you fix those issues. Possibly an EU led public health messaging? Is Europe trusted more than local authorities? And I sympathise with post-Warsaw Pact countries being suspicious of the state but :ph34r:
Free tracksuit with the vaccine?
Let them die. As long as enough people have been vaccinated so that hospital ICUs are not overwhelmed.
Not sure about that article's figures but according to the ECDC Bulgaria's on 16% one dose/14% both doses, Romania on 30% one dose/28% both doses. And neither's moved much for a month or two which I think is very unlikely to be enough to stop health systems being overwhelmed - especially as the delta variant will arrive there.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 01, 2021, 04:05:23 PM
Let them die. As long as enough people have been vaccinated so that hospital ICUs are not overwhelmed.
Problem is that they're going to be a great incubator for the epsilon variant, which may be the one that overcomes vaccines.
I don't subscribe to the Times so I can't link to the story but there were reports the UK was going to buy up to a million doses of Pfizer vaccine from Israel. For some reason the deals fallen through and these doses are not going to be used in Israel because they're kind of done but will expire at the end of the month - which would be an absolute shame while people are still dying unvaccinated.
But it feels like this is going to be an increasing problem as more countries finish their vaccination programs. Personally I'd like them all donated to poorer countries and used up ASAP, but failing that I wonder if it'd be worth richer countries sort of setting up a fund for GAVI/Covax to buy vaccines like this that are going unused and close to expiry so they can distribute them to wherever can use them quickest?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
I asked my favorite sex cam worker if she had been vaccinated and she said no. She's Russian, but you know, Slavs.
Wait a minute? Your favourite sex cam worker? :huh:
Quote from: Threviel on July 02, 2021, 06:16:44 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
I asked my favorite sex cam worker if she had been vaccinated and she said no. She's Russian, but you know, Slavs.
Wait a minute? Your favourite sex cam worker? :huh:
You can't choose? :huh:
Just got my second dose this morning. I'm going on holiday this afternoon so I hope the side effects aren't too bad.
It does sound like there needs to be some kind of pre-registration going on before countries are given the vaccines. Mad some are getting so many and not using them.
QuoteWith spares doses piling up, shots are being sold or donated to other countries, governments want deliveries delayed, and Bulgaria's hotel industry is pushing to have free vaccinations given to foreign visitors. Demand in Romania has dropped to such an extent that members of Argentina's national rugby team were able to get their shots in Bucharest this month ahead of a match.
Cunning.
I wonder if this attempt at sabotage will help Romania to victory?
Quote from: Threviel on July 02, 2021, 06:16:44 AM
Wait a minute? Your favourite sex cam worker? :huh:
Yes.
Quote from: celedhring on July 02, 2021, 06:57:28 AM
Just got my second dose this morning. I'm going on holiday this afternoon so I hope the side effects aren't too bad.
Only had mild stiffness for a day, slightly more than for the first shot.
Quote from: Threviel on July 02, 2021, 06:16:44 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
I asked my favorite sex cam worker if she had been vaccinated and she said no. She's Russian, but you know, Slavs.
Wait a minute? Your favourite sex cam worker? :huh:
the pandemic is hard on everyone. :(
Have we had anyone from the developing world post in this thread yet?
Walking in for my wife's second jab after 5 weeks did not work out. Guy at the entrance insisted it has to be 8 and did not let her in. Another lady was turned away for same reason right after her.
Quote from: Tamas on July 03, 2021, 07:45:00 AM
Walking in for my wife's second jab after 5 weeks did not work out. Guy at the entrance insisted it has to be 8 and did not let her in. Another lady was turned away for same reason right after her.
I think that's the most frustrating thing, completely down to the whims of who you happen to get.
Quote from: mongers on July 03, 2021, 06:34:28 AM
Have we had anyone from the developing world post in this thread yet?
Anecdotes from Uganda: they have access to the AstraZeneca vaccine...the only people we knew that had taken it were a middle aged scottish couple who owned a hotel we stayed at. They explained that they aren't a prioritized group but that the uptake has been exceedingly low. Our driver said he was thinking about getting the vaccine but didn't trust it and thought that Africans are used to getting diseases like covid. The president was apparently targeting 5 million people getting a first dose out of a population of over 40 million, and to get there he was threatening people with lockdown again if more didn't take the vaccine.
After we left they seem to have had a harsher outbreak. They've been running out of oxygen in hospitals and at least one ICU had a bunch of people die off when they ran out. Deaths in the country were still reported to be under 1k the last time I checked.
Quote from: Tamas on July 03, 2021, 07:45:00 AM
Walking in for my wife's second jab after 5 weeks did not work out. Guy at the entrance insisted it has to be 8 and did not let her in. Another lady was turned away for same reason right after her.
Yep - seems like it's kind of carnage right now:
QuoteVincent McAviney
@VinnyMcAv
Turned up to film at a vaccine grab a jab event for @itvnews
and there's confusion on the ground with a policy change overnight. They've been told not to give second jabs within 8 weeks of first now despite what's been advertised in community. Staff unsure, people queueing angry
Total confusion today, it's been advertised people can come 'Grab a Jab' and then there's been a policy change it seems overnight across london. People queueing angry as they received cards through letter boxes telling them to come get under 8 weeks and they've booked holidays
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5XZKdgWQAMfJmu?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Department of health now saying this is an "operational issue" with NHS England and you can't 'grab a jab' for a second jab under 8 weeks if over 40 and over 12 weeks if under 40 which seems like a big change
A later update:
QuoteVincent McAviney
@VinnyMcAv
The council here in White City even advertised on social that you could get it 4+ weeks, they got the enforcement change yesterday and tried to alert people but lots of people being turned away here now.
All change NHS England have now changed their mind, earlier the Doctor on site had been told it could be administered and given permission. It's now changed back to 8 weeks after having done around half and hour of those over 4 weeks. Real confusion and frustration here
A statement from NHS London which doesn't engage with what's actually happened this morning. So despite what friends/family might have got previously or indeed what councils themselves have been advertising, again it's now no second jab pre 8 weeks.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5X1kySWQAMhjmN?format=jpg&name=small)
UPDATE! The White City clinic has now again been given approval today for 4+ weeks but seemingly just for today. Rest of London is still 8+ weeks.
It'll be an absolute disgrace if jabs are wasted because of this nonsense <_<
Quote from: alfred russel on July 03, 2021, 08:39:04 AM
Quote from: mongers on July 03, 2021, 06:34:28 AM
Have we had anyone from the developing world post in this thread yet?
Anecdotes from Uganda: they have access to the AstraZeneca vaccine...the only people we knew that had taken it were a middle aged scottish couple who owned a hotel we stayed at. They explained that they aren't a prioritized group but that the uptake has been exceedingly low. Our driver said he was thinking about getting the vaccine but didn't trust it and thought that Africans are used to getting diseases like covid. The president was apparently targeting 5 million people getting a first dose out of a population of over 40 million, and to get there he was threatening people with lockdown again if more didn't take the vaccine.
After we left they seem to have had a harsher outbreak. They've been running out of oxygen in hospitals and at least one ICU had a bunch of people die off when they ran out. Deaths in the country were still reported to be under 1k the last time I checked.
If people can't work through the misinformation when their own lives are on the line, what chance do we have of collectively addressing climate change? :(
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 02, 2021, 12:48:13 PM
Quote from: Threviel on July 02, 2021, 06:16:44 AM
Wait a minute? Your favourite sex cam worker? :huh:
Yes.
Am I the only one that wants to hear more about this? How does it work? Why do it? What's the costs and so on. Utterly fascinating.
Quote from: DGuller on July 03, 2021, 09:23:41 AM
If people can't work through the misinformation when their own lives are on the line, what chance do we have of collectively addressing climate change? :(
IMO effective climate change action doesn't depend on individuals taking actions within their regular ambits (i.e. making consumer choices), but governments making policy and regulatory changes that affect long-term structural changes.
To give one example, if we rely on individuals to chose to fly less to lower CO2 emissions from the travel industry, it's not going to work. But if governments incentivizes the development of low emission aircraft and (or) heavily disincentivize routine air travel then individual behaviour will follow.
So... we have a reasonable chance, I think. Not that it's guaranteed we won't flub it, of course.
Quote from: DGuller on July 03, 2021, 09:23:41 AM
If people can't work through the misinformation when their own lives are on the line, what chance do we have of collectively addressing climate change? :(
>0%, <0.001%.
If they end up forcing 12 min. weeks for my wife that's going to be serious problem with making it to our families before the end of summer. They are really dropping the ball for the end.
What's their problem with 4 weeks? Are they afraid it admits they were only doing the 12-8 weeks stuff to optimise first round availability? I don't think anyone would have a problem with that retrospectively, and it's been pretty obvious from the start.
Quote from: Tamas on July 03, 2021, 12:17:29 PM
If they end up forcing 12 min. weeks for my wife that's going to be serious problem with making it to our families before the end of summer. They are really dropping the ball for the end.
I think they're trying to enforce 8 weeks.
I slightly wonder if part of it is that they are having less success getting younger people in the doors for the first dose (for the reasons I listed earlier - they're less likely to have a good NHS record because they're less likely to be in contact with the NHS regularly, they are less likely to be at the right registered address and they're less at risk). So I wonder if there's a fear that this is sort of a displacement activity from keeping to the schedule of second doses and instead of trying to get people through the door for an early second dose, the focus should be on trying to drive take-up for younger people/doing more outreach with young people?
QuoteWhat's their problem with 4 weeks? Are they afraid it admits they were only doing the 12-8 weeks stuff to optimise first round availability? I don't think anyone would have a problem with that retrospectively, and it's been pretty obvious from the start.
The UK wasn't the only - I think Canada is stil 12-16 weeks, I think Denmark also delayed second doses in a similar way.
My understanding is that the JCVI have said that basically there's evidence that the antibody response strengthens for about 8-12 weeks (although most of it is in the first 3 weeks), so there is a benefit in waiting that long to get your next dose.
They might be relying on unpublished data, because Garbo said that I think there's only one quite small study showing that - and I thnk it's more true of AZ (so older people) than the mRNA vaccines.
Edit: Of course the most likely explanation is that it's just a "computer says no" automatic application of process and rules without looking at the wider context.
I felt like they had already said before the 12 weeks was to make sure that supply could be stable.
Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2021, 02:04:34 PM
I felt like they had already said before the 12 weeks was to make sure that supply could be stable.
Yeah. That was definitely why they did it at the start and then moved it up to 8 weeks. But right now I assume there aren't the same supply issues any more, they've certainly talked about it in terms of effectiveness not supply:
QuoteProf Wei Shen Lim, the chair of Covid-19 immunisation at the JCVI, said: "The JCVI advises that preferably the second dose of currently approved Covid-19 vaccines should be given eight to 12 weeks after the first dose. The latest evidence indicates that a longer dose interval of eight to 12 weeks is likely to provide higher levels of protection than a shorter dose interval of three to four weeks."
Obviously I still think if the choice is sticking to a schedule or wasting doses - give it to anyone! :lol: :blush:
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 03, 2021, 02:10:49 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2021, 02:04:34 PM
I felt like they had already said before the 12 weeks was to make sure that supply could be stable.
Yeah. That was definitely why they did it at the start and then moved it up to 8 weeks. But right now I assume there aren't the same supply issues any more, they've certainly talked about it in terms of effectiveness not supply:
QuoteProf Wei Shen Lim, the chair of Covid-19 immunisation at the JCVI, said: "The JCVI advises that preferably the second dose of currently approved Covid-19 vaccines should be given eight to 12 weeks after the first dose. The latest evidence indicates that a longer dose interval of eight to 12 weeks is likely to provide higher levels of protection than a shorter dose interval of three to four weeks."
Obviously I still think if the choice is sticking to a schedule or wasting doses - give it to anyone! :lol: :blush:
Yes I read that article but then when searching found no documented support beyond that Birmingham study. Seems incredibly irresponsible if no other evidence. Actually had my husband's friends arguing that people shouldn't get second jab sooner because of that article.
Yeah agreed - there is the possibility that they've seen data from one of the nations' public health bodies to back that up.
But if it is just that single study then agreed - especially because the second dose makes a big difference with the delta variant (although primarily with AZ which I imagine isn't really being used too much now we're into younger age groups). Especially if it's leading people to be turned away because I think most people will try and get it but, especially with younger people who are less at risk, I think there is more of a risk of not going back.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 03, 2021, 12:48:56 PM
The UK wasn't the only - I think Canada is stil 12-16 weeks, I think Denmark also delayed second doses in a similar way.
As soon as there was sufficient supply you could book a second dose after 4 weeks.
Just got my second dose. I was originally scheduled to get it in September - but as additional supplies came in, bookings have been opened up, and I re-booked.
Uptake seems pretty good in Toronto.
Quebec offers appointment after 8 weeks but walk-ins are 4 weeks.
I get my 2nd dose next Sunday.
My 80 year old aunt will get hers tomorrow after 16 weeks because she never wanted to reschedule.
Quote from: Jacob on July 03, 2021, 10:52:03 AM
Quote from: DGuller on July 03, 2021, 09:23:41 AM
If people can't work through the misinformation when their own lives are on the line, what chance do we have of collectively addressing climate change? :(
IMO effective climate change action doesn't depend on individuals taking actions within their regular ambits (i.e. making consumer choices), but governments making policy and regulatory changes that affect long-term structural changes.
To give one example, if we rely on individuals to chose to fly less to lower CO2 emissions from the travel industry, it's not going to work. But if governments incentivizes the development of low emission aircraft and (or) heavily disincentivize routine air travel then individual behaviour will follow.
So... we have a reasonable chance, I think. Not that it's guaranteed we won't flub it, of course.
It does abstract the decision making a bit which helps. In the UK at least I think we are safely in the "fuck climate Change" camp.
But opinions of regular people do matter. The US is particularly worrying here with the republicans tendency to appeal to the extremes in certain issues, happy to expect those who disagree there to just look elsewhere.
Got my second jab last week. Party atmosphere complete with a DJ playing in the vaccination hall, almost an impromptu carnival outside.
(https://cdn.mbl.is/frimg/1/27/29/1272940.jpg)
Over 80% of everyone age 16+ has now been vaccinated at least once.
Goddam the second shot hit me hard. Sick as a dog now.
Got the second shot yesterday (both Pfizer). So far so good, even my arm soreness is lesser than with the first jab.
Quote from: Malthus on July 04, 2021, 04:49:56 PM
Goddam the second shot hit me hard. Sick as a dog now.
What did you get?
Quote from: Legbiter on July 05, 2021, 09:27:41 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 04, 2021, 04:49:56 PM
Goddam the second shot hit me hard. Sick as a dog now.
What did you get?
First shot was Pfizer. Second was Moderna, and for whatever reason, the reaction I had was a lot worse than the first shot.
Could be because it was the second shot, could be because it was Moderna, could just be random.
Yeah it's been the experience here that side effects are more noticeable when you mix the jabs. :hmm: On the other hand you get better overall epitope coverage, that is better immunity.
Quote from: Legbiter on July 05, 2021, 10:42:20 AM
Yeah it's been the experience here that side effects are more noticeable when you mix the jabs. :hmm: On the other hand you get better overall epitope coverage, that is better immunity.
Hopefully the trade off will be worth it, if it provides protection vs. The Delta Variant.
Feeling better today, after a thoroughly shitty 24 hours.
Two shots of Pfizer, both times nothing more than injection site soreness for 24 hours or so.
They say that the strength of the reaction to the vaccine has no bearing to the strength of the immune response. We'll see.
Quote from: Barrister on July 05, 2021, 11:46:57 AM
Two shots of Pfizer, both times nothing more than injection site soreness for 24 hours or so.
They say that the strength of the reaction to the vaccine has no bearing to the strength of the immune response. We'll see.
Two completely opposite claims in the news:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5950221
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/world/no-vaccine-side-effects-wont-show-the-strength-of-your-immunity-to-covid-19/wcm/60a6200d-7026-44f7-a94a-cca06073d6af/amp/
No idea which is correct.
I'm back from my holiday. Second shot packed quite a kick, I must say, but it lasted only around 24h and I was still able to function.
Quote from: Malthus on July 05, 2021, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on July 05, 2021, 09:27:41 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 04, 2021, 04:49:56 PM
Goddam the second shot hit me hard. Sick as a dog now.
What did you get?
First shot was Pfizer. Second was Moderna, and for whatever reason, the reaction I had was a lot worse than the first shot.
Could be because it was the second shot, could be because it was Moderna, could just be random.
Got Moderna twice. The first was ok, just felt exhausted. Second put me down with a fever and headache on the second day. Colleague said strong reactions are a sign of a very active immune system and I choose to believe them. :P
Quote from: celedhring on July 05, 2021, 11:55:18 AM
I'm back from my holiday. Second shot packed quite a kick, I must say, but it lasted only around 24h and I was still able to function.
Holiday? You were out for a weekend, not even a long one. :P
It felt like 80 days around the world given the past 18 months :P
I might travel to Italy in August to visit my family there.
I'm coming up on two weeks since the second shot, but the injection mark is still itching occasionallly. <_<
How much does one pay a sex cam worker?
Quote from: Jacob on July 06, 2021, 12:25:06 PM
How much does one pay a sex cam worker?
Do you want the short answer or the long answer?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 06, 2021, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 06, 2021, 12:25:06 PM
How much does one pay a sex cam worker?
Do you want the short answer or the long answer?
I'm curious in the long answer if you want to give it. :)
There are four ways to tip. I only use CamHub so other services it could be different.
1. "Gold Menu." Most girls have a gold menu with actions they perform in return for set prices. Common actions are stand up, show feet, make ahuego face (cross eyes and stick tongue out--it seems to be a very common fetish), show tits, show feet, spank, etc. etc. Prices can vary quite a bit, as low as two gold (which is two dollars for me but I'm really curious if different countries have different exchange rates) all the way up to 100 gold.
2. "Gold Show." This is initiated by the girl. The screen will show that the amount it costs and how long it runs (3 gold for 6 minutes is pretty typical) plus a target amount at which the show will start. This could be 20 to 40 gold. Once enough customers have pledged their tips and the target amount is reached the show starts.
3. "Private/Exclusive Show." Similar to a Gold Show except you pay an hourly rate. These can range all the way from .49 to 8.59 a minute. 2.00 to 3.00 is maybe typical. Exclusive costs more and that means no other customers allowed, it's just you and the girl.
4. Random Tips. There are buttons you can hit for 1, 3, and 5 gold that are not tied to any particular action. However most (I'd say around 2/3) of the girls are wearing(?) a Lovense or Lush. These are brand names for devices they stick inside their vagina (or ass) and which vibrate when customers tip. So then the payoff is a little moan when you tip.
I also have no idea how that gets divided up between the girl, "the studio," and CamHub.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 06, 2021, 01:54:43 PM
There are four ways to tip. I only use CamHub so other services it could be different.
1. "Gold Menu." Most girls have a gold menu with actions they perform in return for set prices. Common actions are stand up, show feet, make ahuego face (cross eyes and stick tongue out--it seems to be a very common fetish), show tits, show feet, spank, etc. etc. Prices can vary quite a bit, as low as two gold (which is two dollars for me but I'm really curious if different countries have different exchange rates) all the way up to 100 gold.
2. "Gold Show." This is initiated by the girl. The screen will show that the amount it costs and how long it runs (3 gold for 6 minutes is pretty typical) plus a target amount at which the show will start. This could be 20 to 40 gold. Once enough customers have pledged their tips and the target amount is reached the show starts.
3. "Private/Exclusive Show." Similar to a Gold Show except you pay an hourly rate. These can range all the way from .49 to 8.59 a minute. 2.00 to 3.00 is maybe typical. Exclusive costs more and that means no other customers allowed, it's just you and the girl.
4. Random Tips. There are buttons you can hit for 1, 3, and 5 gold that are not tied to any particular action. However most (I'd say around 2/3) of the girls are wearing(?) a Lovense or Lush. These are brand names for devices they stick inside their vagina (or ass) and which vibrate when customers tip. So then the payoff is a little moan when you tip.
Fascinating... thank you for the explanation.
I do think it is a very interesting case of the unfettered free market at work.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 06, 2021, 02:18:13 PM
I do think it is a very interesting case of the unfettered free market at work.
Certainly more interesting than most such cases.
Got my second dose yesterday. My first shot was Pfizer, my second Moderna.
Feeling mighty feverish this morning. Wasn't so bad the first time. :(
Quote from: Josephus on July 07, 2021, 07:08:10 AM
Got my second dose yesterday. My first shot was Pfizer, my second Moderna.
Feeling mighty feverish this morning. Wasn't so bad the first time. :(
Yes, my experience was similar - Pfizer first, Moderna second seems to produce a really nasty twenty four/thirty six hours.
Mine was really rough. But then the symptoms just go away.
Quote from: Malthus on July 07, 2021, 09:29:01 AM
Quote from: Josephus on July 07, 2021, 07:08:10 AM
Got my second dose yesterday. My first shot was Pfizer, my second Moderna.
Feeling mighty feverish this morning. Wasn't so bad the first time. :(
Yes, my experience was similar - Pfizer first, Moderna second seems to produce a really nasty twenty four/thirty six hours.
Mine was really rough. But then the symptoms just go away.
HOpe so :)
Got my second Pfizer a couple days ago.
I woke up really, really tired today, but other than that and shoulder discomfort, almost no response.
That second shot hit me for both of them. But it seems to be getting better now, 2 days later. Small headache, still.
Thought I got off lightly, but second Pfizer is starting to kick my ass after 24 hours.
Quote from: Maladict on July 11, 2021, 11:06:43 AM
Thought I got off lightly, but second Pfizer is starting to kick my ass after 24 hours.
Yeah, I felt fine the day I got it but woke up the next day feeling like shit. It only lasted that day, though.
Quote from: celedhring on July 11, 2021, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: Maladict on July 11, 2021, 11:06:43 AM
Thought I got off lightly, but second Pfizer is starting to kick my ass after 24 hours.
Yeah, I felt fine the day I got it but woke up the next day feeling like shit. It only lasted that day, though.
Same. I'd have been worried that my immune system just couldn't be arsed to respond if I'd have felt absolutely nothing.
On the upside, calling in sick on a Monday is much better than wasting a Sunday.
Quote from: Malthus on July 05, 2021, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on July 05, 2021, 09:27:41 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 04, 2021, 04:49:56 PM
Goddam the second shot hit me hard. Sick as a dog now.
What did you get?
First shot was Pfizer. Second was Moderna, and for whatever reason, the reaction I had was a lot worse than the first shot.
Could be because it was the second shot, could be because it was Moderna, could just be random.
I waited until I could get a Pfizer 2nd shot. People who I know that got a mixed first and second shot were hit hard with the 2nd one.
Quote from: celedhring on July 11, 2021, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: Maladict on July 11, 2021, 11:06:43 AM
Thought I got off lightly, but second Pfizer is starting to kick my ass after 24 hours.
Yeah, I felt fine the day I got it but woke up the next day feeling like shit. It only lasted that day, though.
That's what happened with my first dose. First 12 hours just a slightly achy arm, then 24 hour flu, then fine.
Got double Pfizered, just now.
Thank you Trudeau & Berkut.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 06, 2021, 01:59:11 PM
I also have no idea how that gets divided up between the girl, "the studio," and CamHub.
About the same way a pimp shares his earnings with the girls.
Quote from: Barrister on July 06, 2021, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 06, 2021, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 06, 2021, 12:25:06 PM
How much does one pay a sex cam worker?
Do you want the short answer or the long answer?
I'm curious in the long answer if you want to give it. :)
they monitor everything you do, everything you watch on the sire, then share the info so you get targetted advertising. if say, you go to this site and whatch only blonde models, eventually, the sites pushes blonde girls first on the home page. if a client has a specific fetish, he will eventually see the most popular models offering this fetish first. they record how much a client tips on average and total over a year.
so you pay with your wallet and with your data. data is shared with advertisers and other sites.
Quote from: viper37 on July 11, 2021, 07:23:35 PM
About the same way a pimp shares his earnings with the girls.
You know this, from a friend who works at CamHub, maybe a business school case study? Or speculating?
I got my second Moderna a few days ago. Was pretty shitty formqbout 36 hours, but good now.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 11, 2021, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: viper37 on July 11, 2021, 07:23:35 PM
About the same way a pimp shares his earnings with the girls.
You know this, from a friend who works at CamHub, maybe a business school case study? Or speculating?
Based on testimony from insiders and multiple documentaries on the subject. Wether it's CamHub or any other it is all the same.
Some of these girls are independant contractors, sure. Many are not. It's impossible to say which is which among the lot. The average tend to around 20-30% and the same for tips. Sometimes, they take as high as 45% for the fees ("gold" in the case of CamHub) and less for tips (15-20%). If there's a studio or another organization between the cammodel and the platform, another share of the profits goes to them.
My dad got his 2nd AZ dose last monday, and has had no noticeable effects after that. I'm scheduled to have my 2nd Pfizer dose this friday and I'm already anticipating spending the weekend in agony.
You might not.
I got almost no after 2nd shot side effects. My arm hurt more after the 1st.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 14, 2021, 08:05:21 AM
You might not.
I got almost no after 2nd shot side effects. My arm hurt more after the 1st.
Yep same here for me and my husband on Pfizer.
In this case I anticipate the worst so that any improvement from that is welcome. :lol:
Quote from: garbon on July 14, 2021, 08:19:16 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 14, 2021, 08:05:21 AM
You might not.
I got almost no after 2nd shot side effects. My arm hurt more after the 1st.
Yep same here for me and my husband on Pfizer.
Same for me, absolutely the opposite for my partner, the second knocked her flat.
Given we had been 2 weeks post-vax, we started going out a little more and went to a restaurant this past weekend + local pool. My husband is off this week, so he's been doing a little more traveling about as well. Today my husband got a notification on the NHS app that he should isolate for the next 8 days. That was quick...
Yeah I'm 14 days out from dose #2 as of today. I'm still feeling hesitant about things like taking my mask off (mask mandate went away in most circumstances as of July 1) but trying to be more bold about life.
So Alberta is somewhat lagging in terms of vaccine uptake. Nothing like some US states, but only 70% of eligible Albertans have had a first shot (other provinces have hit 80). Hesitancy is most pronounced in rural areas. The government had already previously announced a vaccine lottery, with 3 prizes of one million dollars. But they've also said that vaccination will never be mandatory, and have refused to introduce any kind of vaccine passport system.
Today then they've announced a "Outdoor Adventure Vaccine Lottery", with prices that include a lifetime hunting or fishing license, a special permit to hunt an animal like an elk or bighorn sheep, or just free camping or skiing.
I get what they're doing - I just doubt it'l do much to move the needle.
The elk community was laughing at us for dying from covid, and are now like, "wtf?"
Quote from: alfred russel on July 14, 2021, 03:17:39 PM
The elk community was laughing at us for dying from covid, and are now like, "wtf?"
I mean I know the local football team is bad, but to literally declare open season on them? :(
https://www.goelks.com/
This is a good time for a CFL highjack.
How excited are you for the CFL BB?
Quote from: garbon on July 14, 2021, 08:19:16 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 14, 2021, 08:05:21 AM
You might not.
I got almost no after 2nd shot side effects. My arm hurt more after the 1st.
Yep same here for me and my husband on Pfizer.
Anecdotally, 2nd being Pfizer seems to produce less severe side effects than 2nd being Moderna. Or at least, I get that impression.
85% of everyone here over the age of 16 is now fully vaccinated. An extra 5% need a second jab, after that over 90% will have immunity. With no legally mandated restrictions except on the border we're an interesting experiment. :hmm:
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 14, 2021, 06:30:20 PM
This is a good time for a CFL highjack.
How excited are you for the CFL BB?
Pretty excited honestly. Bombers won the Grey Cup in 2019, but never had a chance to hand out rings, hang up a banner, etc.
Bombers come to town to play the, er, Elks on October 15. I think I'm going to try and get some tickets...
Quote from: Barrister on July 15, 2021, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 14, 2021, 06:30:20 PM
This is a good time for a CFL highjack.
How excited are you for the CFL BB?
Pretty excited honestly. Bombers won the Grey Cup in 2019, but never had a chance to hand out rings, hang up a banner, etc.
Bombers come to town to play the, er, Elks on October 15. I think I'm going to try and get some tickets...
Damn. Now they get that chance. With a full stadium too.
Nice. Never been to a football game. My GF use to work them & now refuses to go.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 15, 2021, 02:44:07 PM
Damn. Now they get that chance. With a full stadium too.
Nice. Never been to a football game. My GF use to work them & now refuses to go.
Leave the GF at home and take the kids. :)
It's usually a fun atmosphere. Tickets are way more affordable than an NHL game so it's more realistic to take the family.
I actually haven't been to a CFL game in person in years. :o I really should.
Quote from: Legbiter on July 15, 2021, 02:11:05 PM
85% of everyone here over the age of 16 is now fully vaccinated. An extra 5% need a second jab, after that over 90% will have immunity. With no legally mandated restrictions except on the border we're an interesting experiment. :hmm:
Yes and interesting experiment, rather than say the UK chuck it all away 'experiment'.
Quote from: Barrister on July 15, 2021, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 15, 2021, 02:44:07 PM
Damn. Now they get that chance. With a full stadium too.
Nice. Never been to a football game. My GF use to work them & now refuses to go.
Leave the GF at home and take the kids. :)
It's usually a fun atmosphere. Tickets are way more affordable than an NHL game so it's more realistic to take the family.
I actually haven't been to a CFL game in person in years. :o I really should.
Oh yeah, NHL is prohibitive. I go to the AHL instead. Much more affordable.
30% have the 1st shot here, but delta is starting to spread like wildfire. :(
Just received my 2nd Pfizer dose.
:thumbsup:
As a friend of mine says, now I just have to wait a couple of weeks to start licking doorknobs and lamp posts again. :lol:
:lol: :lol:
Update on secondary effects fromt he 2nd jab. I'm sleeping TONS more than usual since I got the 2nd Pfizer dose last Friday. Has this happened to anybody else?
Nah, I wake up between 4:30 am and 5:30 am as per usual :(
Today I overslept despite setting two alarms, ended up waking up at 10:30. :ph34r:
Quote from: The Larch on July 20, 2021, 05:43:36 AM
Today I overslept despite setting two alarms, ended up waking up at 10:30. :ph34r:
What's your job? Organ courier?
Quote from: The Larch on July 20, 2021, 05:38:21 AM
Update on secondary effects fromt he 2nd jab. I'm sleeping TONS more than usual since I got the 2nd Pfizer dose last Friday. Has this happened to anybody else?
I felt quite sleepy as well, but I'm chronically under-slept, so it was hard to guess if that was the shot or not.
Quote from: The Larch on July 20, 2021, 05:38:21 AM
Update on secondary effects fromt he 2nd jab. I'm sleeping TONS more than usual since I got the 2nd Pfizer dose last Friday. Has this happened to anybody else?
Yes, definitely - to me, to people in my family, to various friends. Now, I feel like I'd shaken it off pretty well after 3 days, but when side effects were discussed everything was talked about in a "if this persists for more than a week." So I wouldn't be super concerned yet if I were you.
Quote from: Iormlund on July 20, 2021, 10:34:32 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 20, 2021, 05:38:21 AM
Update on secondary effects fromt he 2nd jab. I'm sleeping TONS more than usual since I got the 2nd Pfizer dose last Friday. Has this happened to anybody else?
I felt quite sleepy as well, but I'm chronically under-slept, so it was hard to guess if that was the shot or not.
I'm also chronically under-slept, so I didn't care much for it the first day after a 3 hour nap in the afternoon. Then on the 2nd day I had another 2 hour nap on top of that... and plenty of sleep at night to boot. It was actually a bit hard to fall asleep on Sunday after so much sleep during the weekend. :lol:
Quote from: The Larch on July 20, 2021, 05:38:21 AM
Update on secondary effects fromt he 2nd jab. I'm sleeping TONS more than usual since I got the 2nd Pfizer dose last Friday. Has this happened to anybody else?
Yes. I think I slept like 14 hours each the two days after the second shot.
Got my third dose yesterday. So far only slight shoulder pain, as the other two times.
This really came out of nowhere. While I'm somewhat immunocompromised, I was not deemed a priority for the first vaccination wave. Whereas now I went before even the elderly (my parents are around 70 years old and have not been called).
Which means I got my third booster just 3 months after the second.
:hmm:
It seems that people who got the Janssen vaccine in Spain are going to be given a 2nd shot of a different one, as apparently they've built much less imunity over time than those that got the 2 shot vaccines.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 22, 2021, 09:47:16 AM
This really came out of nowhere. While I'm somewhat immunocompromised, I was not deemed a priority for the first vaccination wave. Whereas now I went before even the elderly (my parents are around 70 years old and have not been called).
Which means I got my third booster just 3 months after the second.
:hmm:
Same. I got mine in September and way sooner than expected. But I think roll-out here has been a mess so I think I got the text earlier than I should have :huh:
My mother just received her booster this morning. My father will get it in the coming weeks, most probably.
My parents got their 3rd Pfizer shots on Friday. They were quite worried because despite my efforts I couldn't 100% convince them my father's heart issues at the start of this year were not related.
But it seems like they have had a pretty mild reaction to the booster shot overall, definitely way below of what they were worried about.
Now I can travel through the sea of Omicron that's going to be Europe during Christmas to visit them with much fewer worries.
Booked my booster for end of December. I will likely get Moderna, completing my trifecta of AstraZeneca, BioNTech and then Moderna...
Quote from: Tamas on November 29, 2021, 11:42:27 AMBut it seems like they have had a pretty mild reaction to the booster shot overall, definitely way below of what they were worried about.
My mom was told by the nurse that delivered the booster to her that this one is like half a dose from the regular one, given that it's just a booster and not a full requiriment for vaccination, so side effects should be lower than from the regular doses.
My kids got their kids vax today! :yeah:
Actually got my booster today. My city opened a new vax center that processes a few thousand persons per day and I booked a free slot when I looked this morning.
If the nurse doesn't say "yeeeaah here come the booster" I will be very disappointed.
Quote from: Barrister on November 30, 2021, 01:55:31 AM
My kids got their kids vax today! :yeah:
Picking my son up in half an hour to take him to his shot as well :)
Just got my booster at the Austria Center (big congress hall near the UN). All very smooth without appointment, though it seems they're only at 25-30% capacity this Saturday morning. The whole place has a strong airport passenger processing vibe, exceptpeople are a lot friendlier. :D
I'm triple-Modernaed now. I'll grab my certificate for the Green Pass on the way put. :)
The last holdout in my family - my brother's wife, who's pregnant - has finally taken the vaccine. Apparently her doctor convinced her by telling "put it this way, what do you think it's more dangerous to your baby, the vaccine or Covid?"
Good on her. My GP said he lost a patient (25, pregnant) who refused to get vaccinated to Covid. (The child was saved.)
Quote from: Syt on December 04, 2021, 04:02:30 AM
Good on her. My GP said he lost a patient (25, pregnant) who refused to get vaccinated to Covid. (The child was saved.)
:(
The booster did a number on me. After 10 hours I had a major headache and my limbs hurt. Spent the night with fever, shivers and chills. Didn't sleep much, but I'm starting to feel better now. :D
Quote from: Syt on December 05, 2021, 12:38:54 AM
The booster did a number on me. After 10 hours I had a major headache and my limbs hurt. Spent the night with fever, shivers and chills. Didn't sleep much, but I'm starting to feel better now. :D
Which is good, right? :unsure:
I guess? Still running a light fever.
Quote from: celedhring on December 04, 2021, 03:10:51 AM
The last holdout in my family - my brother's wife, who's pregnant - has finally taken the vaccine. Apparently her doctor convinced her by telling "put it this way, what do you think it's more dangerous to your baby, the vaccine or Covid?"
Well, I suppose all GPs have tried that line but repetition may help.
Booster shot this morning at a city hall in Paris, previous two shots were 20 km away in the suburbs.
Moderna this time. Bit of a bleeding prompting some questions by the vaccinator. I did not feel anything.
My dad got his booster shot yesterday evening. He seems to be quite sleepy this morning, but nothing more serious than that.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 07, 2021, 05:36:47 AM
Booster shot this morning at a city hall in Paris, previous two shots were 20 away in the suburbs.
Moderna this time. Bit of a bleeding prompting some questions by the vaccinator. I did not feel anything.
:cool:
Nice venue.
Quote from: mongers on December 07, 2021, 07:21:34 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 07, 2021, 05:36:47 AM
Booster shot this morning at a city hall in Paris, previous two shots were 20 away in the suburbs.
Moderna this time. Bit of a bleeding prompting some questions by the vaccinator. I did not feel anything.
:cool:
Nice venue.
In the Rossini Hall of the city hall, without any music Rossini overtures in the background though.
Still don't know if I'll get the booster shot. The 2nd one hit me hard.
So the EU travel QR code will expire on February 1st, unless you get a third shot. We're up to about 5% on the booster front so far, guess I'm not planning that February break trip then.
Quote from: viper37 on December 08, 2021, 02:22:57 PM
Still don't know if I'll get the booster shot. The 2nd one hit me hard.
Booster is just half the dosage of the first two.
Heh. Reality is biting. One of my anti vax cousins works in the TV and film business. Her Facebook nonsense posts have turned to whines about how it's not fair you have to be vaccinated to get a job.
Zero sympathy there.
Getting vaccinated as a choice - sure. Some people are afraid of needles. Fine.
But then learning how to drive is a choice. Don't come whinging about how you have to pay all your money in taxis or rent on a central flat if you decide not to take it.
Quote from: Zanza on December 09, 2021, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: viper37 on December 08, 2021, 02:22:57 PM
Still don't know if I'll get the booster shot. The 2nd one hit me hard.
Booster is just half the dosage of the first two.
Still hit me at least as bad as the second shot. Though I might have experienced it worse because I got the booster earlier in the day than shot 2, so the symptoms kicked in during the night making me lose sleep.
Hmm, so weird. It seems like there are two groups of people: second shot knocked them down but booster was a nothingburger, and then people who were knocked down by the second shot and knocked down even harder by the third shot. I wonder why the difference is so stark, and what's behind it.
In my case it's 3x Moderna. No idea if that plays a role.
I got knocked out by my first shot but the other two have been fine. Heavy arm on the second and nothing on the third.
Maybe something to do with the type of vaccine as an AZ/AZ/Pfizer.
I read up about vaccination reactions, and apparently they're just your body reacting to a foreign substance entering the body. It's not indicative of whether or not you will have good Covid protection as that takes days and weeks to develop.
:lol: Yeah I panicked about that after having minimal response to shot 2 and wondering if it had worked :blush:
i was fine for the first, but the second hit me hard a few days later. pfizer for both
Pfizer for all three for me, and the pattern was nada-ouch-nada.
Moderna x2 for me. First one put be down for a bit, second one was trivial. Booster shot is probably sometime early next year.
I did have a somewhat troubled night (woke up a few times) after the Moderna shot booster but I can't be certain it was caused by the shot.
Still surprised how many of you are getting your booster shots. I'm still not eligible.
But maybe it's just the after-effects of Canada being behind the curve in the spring to begin with. I mean I won't be 6 months post-second-shot until the end of this month anyways, so there's no hurry yet...
All I got from my Pfizer shots (all three) was a slightly sore shoulder for a day or two (only really noticeable when I turned to sleep on that side).
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2021, 05:35:08 PM
Still surprised how many of you are getting your booster shots. I'm still not eligible.
But maybe it's just the after-effects of Canada being behind the curve in the spring to begin with. I mean I won't be 6 months post-second-shot until the end of this month anyways, so there's no hurry yet...
In US America, you're basically eligible if you say that you are eligible.
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2021, 05:35:08 PM
Still surprised how many of you are getting your booster shots. I'm still not eligible.
Booster is available after 4 months here. I got mine after 5 months and a bit.
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2021, 06:24:53 PM
All I got from my Pfizer shots (all three) was a slightly sore shoulder for a day or two (only really noticeable when I turned to sleep on that side).
You've got a booster already? Only my parents got one so far, and you're not *that* old :P
Quote from: celedhring on December 10, 2021, 04:19:38 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2021, 06:24:53 PM
All I got from my Pfizer shots (all three) was a slightly sore shoulder for a day or two (only really noticeable when I turned to sleep on that side).
You've got a booster already? Only my parents got one so far, and you're not *that* old :P
IIRC he's at risk due to a previous health condition.
Quote from: The Larch on December 10, 2021, 04:46:52 AM
Quote from: celedhring on December 10, 2021, 04:19:38 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2021, 06:24:53 PM
All I got from my Pfizer shots (all three) was a slightly sore shoulder for a day or two (only really noticeable when I turned to sleep on that side).
You've got a booster already? Only my parents got one so far, and you're not *that* old :P
IIRC he's at risk due to a previous health condition.
Ahhh true. Was wondering if other regions were further along than us.
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2021, 05:35:08 PM
Still surprised how many of you are getting your booster shots. I'm still not eligible.
But maybe it's just the after-effects of Canada being behind the curve in the spring to begin with. I mean I won't be 6 months post-second-shot until the end of this month anyways, so there's no hurry yet...
It was 5 months and a week post-second shot. Threshold was recently changed from 6 to 5 months over here, for all over 18.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 10, 2021, 09:52:02 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2021, 05:35:08 PM
Still surprised how many of you are getting your booster shots. I'm still not eligible.
But maybe it's just the after-effects of Canada being behind the curve in the spring to begin with. I mean I won't be 6 months post-second-shot until the end of this month anyways, so there's no hurry yet...
It was 5 months and a week post-second shot. Threshold was recently changed from 6 to 5 months over here, for all over 18.
That's very... specific.
Over here it's 6 months from second shot, for 60+, First Nations, and people with specified immune deficiencies (I don't qualify under this list). There are unspecified plans to over time reduce the age limit to 18+.
People over 60, specific immune deficiencies, comorbidities have had access to the booster shot earlier.
Quote from: The Larch on December 10, 2021, 04:46:52 AM
Quote from: celedhring on December 10, 2021, 04:19:38 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 09, 2021, 06:24:53 PM
All I got from my Pfizer shots (all three) was a slightly sore shoulder for a day or two (only really noticeable when I turned to sleep on that side).
You've got a booster already? Only my parents got one so far, and you're not *that* old :P
IIRC he's at risk due to a previous health condition.
I got one over a month ago. My parents are not even boosted yet.
I guess it's likely due to my meds, which lower my defenses. Curiously enough they didn't made much of a difference until I switched jobs and mingled with parents of young children (and even then it merely meant I caught a couple extra colds a year).
Strangely my weakened immune system didn't matter for the first two shots. They seem to have changed priorities for the booster, but it's all a clusterfuck so who knows.
Now that I think of it it might have been the arrhythmia study I got done in October that tipped the scales. They called me just a few days after I got discharged. Though technically the results of the study were somewhat positive (in that I'm not likely to die from it).
I get my booster 3 days before Christmas. Because I am older and wiser and make food for poor people.
My dad has had his 3rd.
Pretty bad reaction from it.
Asking what type, apparently its a new sort called spievax? :unsure:
Spikevax you mean?
It's Moderna.
Quote from: saskganesh on December 10, 2021, 06:36:33 PM
I get my booster 3 days before Christmas. Because I am older and wiser and make food for poor people.
:cool:
Booster booked for Weds... outside Belmarsh. :hmm:
Quote from: garbon on December 11, 2021, 06:32:51 PM
Booster booked for Weds... outside Belmarsh. :hmm:
Better than Bedlam.
Spoken from experience?
Sitting around at the centre waiting to see if the Pfizer booster is going to kill me.
Quote from: Tamas on December 12, 2021, 05:53:15 AM
Sitting around at the centre waiting to see if the Pfizer booster is going to kill me.
Tamas, Tamas Did you make it out alive? :worried:
Quote from: mongers on December 12, 2021, 07:13:47 AM
Quote from: Tamas on December 12, 2021, 05:53:15 AM
Sitting around at the centre waiting to see if the Pfizer booster is going to kill me.
Tamas, Tamas Did you make it out alive? :worried:
yes :)
Boosters have become available here now.
I'm reading Cyberpunk 2020 and boostergangs seem pretty scary.
This was my first Pfizer after a couple of AZs. I don't remember my shoulder having visible (non-red) swelling on my shoulder with AZ, which I have now. It hurts and I am feeling a bit under the weather but nothing dramatic.
I have an appointment for my booster on the 30th.
I'm all boosted up. Now I'll die of autism and brain plaques.
Things were wild getting my booster. First there were a ton of pissed off people as they had watched BoJo press conference about jabs waiting for you but this injection site had closed its walk-in queue for the night. Mind you, people managing queues outside had closed it for the night, pharmacist receptionists were still telling people to come on down. Heard a lot of ranting and attempts to plead that failed, one guy went on long rant about Boris Johnson for about 5-10 minutes.
Then once inside many people kicked off that only Moderna boosters were being given out. My uber driver had told me on way there that if I get the Modern (or maybe the Madonna), I should expect to be down for the count for two days.
I did love the lady who when asked if she was immunocompromised said she had no idea what that is and reported she had an allergic reaction to fake eyelashes last weekend when asked about allergies. :)
I had no idea moderna was disliked.
Yeah - I find the whole pickiness about vaccines weird but had no idea there was any dislike of Moderna. Maybe just lower brand recognition in the UK (it's not been used as much)?
I think there is some concerns about side effects potentially being worse combined with news that it is only half dose as booster?
Personally, I was happy to avoid Moderna early on as it was easier to get Pfizer 2nd jab at walk-in centre. Don't really mind now other than hoping my side effects stay at minor headache and sore arm level.
Also I feel like wanting to choose to have Pfizer/Moderna over AZ/J&J is probably on the whole valid?
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 07:54:08 AM
Yeah - I find the whole pickiness about vaccines weird but had no idea there was any dislike of Moderna. Maybe just lower brand recognition in the UK (it's not been used as much)?
In Hungary it seems to be the favourite vaccine. There are folk tales of Pfizer messing with your heart, but I have heard nothing bad of Moderna.
Quote from: garbon on December 16, 2021, 07:57:11 AM
Also I feel like wanting to choose to have Pfizer/Moderna over AZ/J&J is probably on the whole valid?
I'd say so, it would have been my first choice certainly, although I can also understand reservations about being jabbed with a brand new type of solution that was just rolled out during the pandemic.
Quote from: garbon on December 16, 2021, 07:57:11 AM
Also I feel like wanting to choose to have Pfizer/Moderna over AZ/J&J is probably on the whole valid?
I don't think anyone should have a choice. They're all safe, they all work and we don't have enough - but I am aware I'm very old school do as the doctor tells you on this (and a little anti-choice on healthcare in general) :ph34r: :blush:
People who don't want x vaccine should be told it's not a Starbucks and jabbed with whatever's to hand :blush:
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 08:00:54 AM
I don't think anyone should have a choice. They're all safe, they all work and we don't have enough - but I am aware I'm very old school do as the doctor tells you on this (and a little anti-choice on healthcare in general) :ph34r: :blush:
As a person who makes a living asking doctor's their opinions, that stance is utterly ridiculous. Doctors aren't infallible human beings and there are plenty of bad ones alongside the good ones. Blindly following what a doctor says is one way to end up with a subpar outcome
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 08:00:54 AM
People who don't want x vaccine should be told it's not a Starbucks and jabbed with whatever's to hand :blush:
Okay but many places have multiple vaccines on hand so then why wouldn't there be a choice?
Quote from: garbon on December 16, 2021, 08:25:27 AMAs a person who makes a living asking doctor's their opinions, that stance is utterly ridiculous. Doctors aren't infallible human beings and there are plenty of bad ones alongside the good ones. Blindly following what a doctor says is one way to end up with a subpar outcome
Absolutely I have healthcare horror stories from my family - and I think in general there should be an ability to get a second opinion. But we're in a pandemic, there still isn't enough supply and it's in the NHS - so you should just take what you get and be grateful.
If someone wants to get vaccinated on Harley Street then choice is part of what they're paying for (although I'd ban private healthcare offering covid vaccines right now).
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 08:00:54 AMOkay but many places have multiple vaccines on hand so then why wouldn't there be a choice?
Maybe if you had AZ as your first dose because that's not being used for booster shots. But I was under the impression they were trying to give people a different booster to the first round.
If that's not the case and you've got plenty in a vaccine site and it doesn't make any difference then I don't see the harm in there being some choice. But people who are kicking off about a site only having one vaccine or trying to pick and choose their site to get x brand need to take a look at themselves.
(I've suddenly turned into my grandmother - halfway to thinking we should just bring back rationing while we're at it :ph34r:)
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 07:54:08 AM
Yeah - I find the whole pickiness about vaccines weird but had no idea there was any dislike of Moderna. Maybe just lower brand recognition in the UK (it's not been used as much)?
The curse of consumerism* working into all walks of life?
* brain rot.
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 08:40:24 AM
Absolutely I have healthcare horror stories from my family - and I think in general there should be an ability to get a second opinion. But we're in a pandemic, there still isn't enough supply and it's in the NHS - so you should just take what you get and be grateful.
Grateful?! I think it should be a basic expectation that you can get a vaccine given that pretty much every other Western country is managing to make jabs available. I don't see how gratitude toward the government enters the picture.
If someone wants to get vaccinated on Harley Street then choice is part of what they're paying for (although I'd ban private healthcare offering covid vaccines right now).
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 08:40:24 AM
Maybe if you had AZ as your first dose because that's not being used for booster shots. But I was under the impression they were trying to give people a different booster to the first round.
If that's not the case and you've got plenty in a vaccine site and it doesn't make any difference then I don't see the harm in there being some choice. But people who are kicking off about a site only having one vaccine or trying to pick and choose their site to get x brand need to take a look at themselves.
On this, we agree. Completely ridiculous to be complaining about the vaccine on offer. If really an issue, you can go elsewhere.
On bit in bold, I've no clue given comms have been about as clear as mud. I only know that's not necessarily the case in Canada or the US based on news articles I'd seen.
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 08:40:24 AM
(I've suddenly turned into my grandmother - halfway to thinking we should just bring back rationing while we're at it :ph34r:)
I carved this point out not because I have something to say on it but because it isn't part of what I agree with. :D
Quote from: mongers on December 16, 2021, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 07:54:08 AM
Yeah - I find the whole pickiness about vaccines weird but had no idea there was any dislike of Moderna. Maybe just lower brand recognition in the UK (it's not been used as much)?
The curse of consumerism* working into all walks of life?
* brain rot.
In general, not all medicines for a given disease are equal/serve same identical purpose. Not sure why it is rampant consumerism (or brain rot) to have a preference. Doctors often do.
On vaccine variety, I think perhaps for a change the Hungarian official explanations were better: the AZ and Sputnik vaccines use an adeno-virus (sp?) as carrier for the covid-19 genetic material (in fact I think they use the very same between each other). If you had either of these vaccines and just use the same for the third dose the risk is that your body, having also built up immunity for the carrier-virus, will just instant-wipe that out before the covid-19 bit could start working and generating a covid-19 specific immune response, rendering the shot ineffective. Well, that's the best way I can put what I remember from it. I think this might also be the reason why Sputnik has specific 1st and 2nd dose versions.
With an RNA vaccine, there is no such risk, so you can merrily keep receiving the same one.
Quote from: garbon on December 16, 2021, 09:37:51 AMGrateful?! I think it should be a basic expectation that you can get a vaccine given that pretty much every other Western country is managing to make jabs available. I don't see how gratitude toward the government enters the picture.
I still think you should be grateful more at the existence of vaccines and that we're getting them - plus I am on this issue clearly turning into the standard lefty Brit getting teary eyed about "our NHS" :blush: :lol:
QuoteI carved this point out not because I have something to say on it but because it isn't part of what I agree with. :D
:lol:
QuoteOn vaccine variety, I think perhaps for a change the Hungarian official explanations were better: the AZ and Sputnik vaccines use an adeno-virus (sp?) as carrier for the covid-19 genetic material (in fact I think they use the very same between each other). If you had either of these vaccines and just use the same for the third dose the risk is that your body, having also built up immunity for the carrier-virus, will just instant-wipe that out before the covid-19 bit could start working and generating a covid-19 specific immune response, rendering the shot ineffective. Well, that's the best way I can put what I remember from it. I think this might also be the reason why Sputnik has specific 1st and 2nd dose versions.
Makes sense, my understanding from a friend who is a medical researcher but not in this area was actually the adenovirus (round one) plus mRNA (for vaccine two or booster) seems to offer the best protection. I think he said that was from some report - maybe because, from memory, one generated better T cell response while the other generated better anti-body response.
Best protection, at least from what I heard on a podcast is, in order:
1. mRNA vaccine + survived COVID
2. mrNA vaccine alone
3. Survive COVID, no vaccine
4. non-mRNA vaccine + COVID
5. non-mRNA vaccine
edit: Disclaimer! This is just what I heard on a podcast. Im not a doctor. If this turns out to be wrong someday, then so be it.
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 09:59:35 AM
I still think you should be grateful more at the existence of vaccines and that we're getting them - plus I am on this issue clearly turning into the standard lefty Brit getting teary eyed about "our NHS" :blush: :lol:
Sure but that's general gratitude like I'm happy I have a comfortable job that I can do from home, I'm happy for a loving spouse, I'm happy for all the opportunities I've had so far in life. Not gratitude of shut up and take whatever medicine we see fit to give you without questions. :P
Quote from: garbon on December 16, 2021, 10:16:15 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 16, 2021, 09:59:35 AM
I still think you should be grateful more at the existence of vaccines and that we're getting them - plus I am on this issue clearly turning into the standard lefty Brit getting teary eyed about "our NHS" :blush: :lol:
Sure but that's general gratitude like I'm happy I have a comfortable job that I can do from home, I'm happy for a loving spouse, I'm happy for all the opportunities I've had so far in life. Not gratitude of shut up and take whatever medicine we see fit to give you without questions. :P
Now that you mention I think that's probably a big part of why vaccine uptake is so low in many East European countries. "Shut up and do as you are told" has been an essential part of how the state managed its subjects for quite a many centuries over there, often under the control of foreign occupation and even more often with disastrous results for the individual.
Not that it's any excuse - health care in particular was a relative success story in the Eastern bloc I think, at the very least compared to attempts to keep up with other quality of life stuff of the first world.
It reminds me of that poll that showed about 20% of Brits wanted lockdown rules, regardless of the covid situation :lol:
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 10:14:16 AM
Best protection, at least from what I heard on a podcast is, in order:
1. mRNA vaccine + survived COVID
2. mrNA vaccine alone
3. Survive COVID, no vaccine
4. non-mRNA vaccine + COVID
5. non-mRNA vaccine
edit: Disclaimer! This is just what I heard on a podcast. Im not a doctor. If this turns out to be wrong someday, then so be it.
Joe Rogan?
Fuck no.
I was told by a Serbian friend that over there they gave people the freedom to choose which vaccine they'd get, but availability was also a factor in choosing which one to get. If you wanted Sputnik or the Chinese one you could get it almost right away, if you wanted Pfizer you'd have to wait several weeks. His whole family decided to wait for the Pfizer one.
I love Rogan but he has a California hippy sensibility so he is always going to be doing some kind of weird fad thing for his health.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
I love Rogan but he has a California hippy sensibility so he is always going to be doing some kind of weird fad thing for his health.
I cannot stand him.
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
Fuck no.
How did they explain that getting COVID is more protection than getting COVID
and being vaccinated with a non mRNA vaccine. That seems a bit suspect.
edit: a story came out yesterday questioning the effectiveness of one of the mRNA vaccines, so that show is seems out of date already - even if it was valid at one time.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
I love Rogan but he has a California hippy sensibility so he is always going to be doing some kind of weird fad thing for his health.
What do you love about the guy?
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 11:20:25 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
I love Rogan but he has a California hippy sensibility so he is always going to be doing some kind of weird fad thing for his health.
I cannot stand him.
I loved Newsradio back in the day and he is this comedian/jock/hippy guy. I think he fits in well in Austin. But I get it.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 16, 2021, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
I love Rogan but he has a California hippy sensibility so he is always going to be doing some kind of weird fad thing for his health.
What do you love about the guy?
He is authentic. He is just who he is. I think that is cool, though now he exists in this weird world of being used by everybody because he is popular.
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 11:20:25 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
I love Rogan but he has a California hippy sensibility so he is always going to be doing some kind of weird fad thing for his health.
I cannot stand him.
i liked him in newsradio
*edit* i like his comedy shows too. His Youtube stuff was.. hit and miss
I doubt I'll get a 3rd dose personally. By the time my age groups gets called up here it'll be too late for this current wave.
I've been wrong before on Quebec's ability to ramp up vaccination tho.
Quote from: HVC on December 16, 2021, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 11:20:25 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
I love Rogan but he has a California hippy sensibility so he is always going to be doing some kind of weird fad thing for his health.
I cannot stand him.
i liked him in newsradio
*edit* i like his comedy shows too. His Youtube stuff was.. hit and miss
I, too, really liked NewsRadio.
But was Joe Rogan really the most memorable part of that show? When I think back on it I more remember Dave Foley, Phil Hartman, Andy Dick, Stephen Root... all before I start thinking about Joe Rogan.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 16, 2021, 11:41:51 AM
I doubt I'll get a 3rd dose personally. By the time my age groups gets called up here it'll be too late for this current wave.
I've been wrong before on Quebec's ability to ramp up vaccination tho.
Current wave is going to last a few months, if the past is any guide.
Alberta stealth changed eligibility to 50+. And while you're younger than I, I don't think you're that much younger - out turn will come shortly.
Quote from: Barrister on December 16, 2021, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 16, 2021, 11:41:51 AM
I doubt I'll get a 3rd dose personally. By the time my age groups gets called up here it'll be too late for this current wave.
I've been wrong before on Quebec's ability to ramp up vaccination tho.
Current wave is going to last a few months, if the past is any guide.
Alberta stealth changed eligibility to 50+. And while you're younger than I, I don't think you're that much younger - out turn will come shortly.
Quebec is still 70+ w/ 6 month since 2nd.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2021, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 16, 2021, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
I love Rogan but he has a California hippy sensibility so he is always going to be doing some kind of weird fad thing for his health.
What do you love about the guy?
He is authentic. He is just who he is. I think that is cool, though now he exists in this weird world of being used by everybody because he is popular.
That is my problem.
He has this HUGE following, and so he has (IMO) a responsibility to stop playing the "Ahh shucks, I'm just a guy chatting with some dudes!" schtick when it comes to giving a platform to people who don't deserve one.
Plus his following is just a bit too man-cave cultish for my taste.
He isn't much of an actual authority on much of anything outside the MMA. He isn't particular bright, IMO, and doesn't think very critically. And he plays that game where he admits to exactly that, and yet leans into giving his opinion about bullshit anyway. And again, with the certain knowledge that his charisma has in fact created this massive following who WILL act as if he is an authority even while he tells them he is not.
For the record, I think Newsradio was fucking brilliant. But he was far from the best thing about it.
I like MMA Joe Rogan but his comedian podcast shtick increases/accelerates the lost of trust in experts and institutions. He's really bad news.
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 10:14:16 AM
Best protection, at least from what I heard on a podcast is, in order:
1. mRNA vaccine + survived COVID
2. mrNA vaccine alone
3. Survive COVID, no vaccine
4. non-mRNA vaccine + COVID
5. non-mRNA vaccine
edit: Disclaimer! This is just what I heard on a podcast. Im not a doctor. If this turns out to be wrong someday, then so be it.
Or alternatively 'we' could have a better, more equitable world wide distribution of vaccines that would cut down on new variants and protect 'us' all better in the long run?
Quote from: mongers on December 16, 2021, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 10:14:16 AM
Best protection, at least from what I heard on a podcast is, in order:
1. mRNA vaccine + survived COVID
2. mrNA vaccine alone
3. Survive COVID, no vaccine
4. non-mRNA vaccine + COVID
5. non-mRNA vaccine
edit: Disclaimer! This is just what I heard on a podcast. Im not a doctor. If this turns out to be wrong someday, then so be it.
Or alternatively 'we' could have a better, more equitable world wide distribution of vaccines that would cut down on new variants and protect 'us' all better in the long run?
Irrelevant aside although more on topic than you usually are. What did you do with Mongers?! :o
Quote from: mongers on December 16, 2021, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 10:14:16 AM
Best protection, at least from what I heard on a podcast is, in order:
1. mRNA vaccine + survived COVID
2. mrNA vaccine alone
3. Survive COVID, no vaccine
4. non-mRNA vaccine + COVID
5. non-mRNA vaccine
edit: Disclaimer! This is just what I heard on a podcast. Im not a doctor. If this turns out to be wrong someday, then so be it.
Or alternatively 'we' could have a better, more equitable world wide distribution of vaccines that would cut down on new variants and protect 'us' all better in the long run?
That is an alternative?
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 16, 2021, 11:22:58 AM
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
Fuck no.
How did they explain that getting COVID is more protection than getting COVID and being vaccinated with a non mRNA vaccine. That seems a bit suspect.
edit: a story came out yesterday questioning the effectiveness of one of the mRNA vaccines, so that show is seems out of date already - even if it was valid at one time.
Doh, that is right - obviously having any vaccine plus getting COVID has to be, at worst, at least as good as just having COVID, and almost certainly better. I mixed the order up there.
What story are you talking about? The mRNA spike vaccines are still, so far as I am aware, the "gold standard" for COVID vaccines....
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 12:35:46 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 16, 2021, 11:22:58 AM
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
Fuck no.
How did they explain that getting COVID is more protection than getting COVID and being vaccinated with a non mRNA vaccine. That seems a bit suspect.
edit: a story came out yesterday questioning the effectiveness of one of the mRNA vaccines, so that show is seems out of date already - even if it was valid at one time.
Doh, that is right - obviously having any vaccine plus getting COVID has to be, at worst, at least as good as just having COVID, and almost certainly better. I mixed the order up there.
What story are you talking about? The mRNA spike vaccines are still, so far as I am aware, the "gold standard" for COVID vaccines....
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/15/1064202754/omicron-evades-moderna-vaccine-too-study-suggests-but-boosters-help
mNRA is certainly the gold standard for what came before, but this new variant is causing all kinds of trouble.
So still the gold standard but you need a booster.
Quote from: garbon on December 16, 2021, 12:56:56 PM
So still the gold standard but you need a booster.
True for all vaccines.
Quote from: Barrister on December 16, 2021, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 16, 2021, 11:41:51 AM
I doubt I'll get a 3rd dose personally. By the time my age groups gets called up here it'll be too late for this current wave.
I've been wrong before on Quebec's ability to ramp up vaccination tho.
Current wave is going to last a few months, if the past is any guide.
Alberta stealth changed eligibility to 50+. And while you're younger than I, I don't think you're that much younger - out turn will come shortly.
Quebec just stealth changed to 60+. :sleep:
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 16, 2021, 12:52:21 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/15/1064202754/omicron-evades-moderna-vaccine-too-study-suggests-but-boosters-help
mNRA is certainly the gold standard for what came before, but this new variant is causing all kinds of trouble.
I do not understand that link.
If they tell me people need boosters to ensure they have antibodies actively in their blood (as opposed to the "dormant" protection that needs mobilising after an infection starts) and thus have a far higher chance of avoiding serious complications, I get that.
But what is this nonsense about the "2-vaccine antibodies" being 50 times less effective, but the "booster antibodies" being as effective as against 2-vaccine ones against Delta? Was this an attempt by that article to translate what I wrote? Because it was stupid if that's what they were trying to do.
I am pretty sure the researchers are not on Languish.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 16, 2021, 01:54:18 PM
I am pretty sure the researchers are not on Languish.
Somebody here might understand what I couldn't, though.
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 16, 2021, 01:54:18 PM
I am pretty sure the researchers are not on Languish.
Somebody here might understand what I couldn't, though.
I don't know what you were trying to say - I am not sure what post you are referring to. But the article is simply saying the mNRA vaccines are not as effective against the new variant but a booster helps. So there does not seem to be that much difference across vaccines with this new variant. Everyone needs boosters no matter what.
Personally I will be happy to get an mNRA vaccine this time around - it was not available for my age group at the time I got my first two shots.
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2021, 11:51:17 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2021, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 16, 2021, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
I love Rogan but he has a California hippy sensibility so he is always going to be doing some kind of weird fad thing for his health.
What do you love about the guy?
He is authentic. He is just who he is. I think that is cool, though now he exists in this weird world of being used by everybody because he is popular.
That is my problem.
He has this HUGE following, and so he has (IMO) a responsibility to stop playing the "Ahh shucks, I'm just a guy chatting with some dudes!" schtick when it comes to giving a platform to people who don't deserve one.
Plus his following is just a bit too man-cave cultish for my taste.
He isn't much of an actual authority on much of anything outside the MMA. He isn't particular bright, IMO, and doesn't think very critically. And he plays that game where he admits to exactly that, and yet leans into giving his opinion about bullshit anyway. And again, with the certain knowledge that his charisma has in fact created this massive following who WILL act as if he is an authority even while he tells them he is not.
As I said I get it. Everything you just said is absolutely true.
I have just been a big fan of his and his comedy and all that for a long time and early on when his show often had Newsradio actors on it I really enjoyed listening to them talk about their experiences.
But outside of sports, comedy, and acting he really doesn't have much expert insight to offer. And boy does he love talking about drug use and woowoo health shit :lol:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/16/cdc-panel-prefers-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-over-jj-due-to-rare-blood-clot-cases.html
QuoteCDC panel recommends Pfizer, Moderna vaccines over J&J shots for adults due to rare blood clot cases
An advisory panel for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday recommended Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines over Johnson & Johnson's shot for adults 18 and over, after finding dozens of people developed a rare blood clot condition following J&J vaccination, all of whom were hospitalized and nine of whom died.
However, members also had to weigh the full risks and benefits of their recommendation. Limiting the J&J vaccine to adults 50 and older, for example, would remove the shot as an option for young men who are at risk of developing a rare heart condition called myocarditis associated with the Pfizer and Moderna shots.
And pulling the J&J vaccine altogether could deliver a blow to the shot worldwide. J&J has said the vaccine is easier to distribute to hard-to-reach communities not just in the U.S. but around the world because it is a single dose, reducing logistical hurdles compared to the two-dose vaccines.
"I believe that we should really keep in mind that our decision does or likely will have a global impact," said Dr. Oliver Brooks, the chief medical officer at Watts Healthcare in California.
In April, the FDA and the CDC briefly halted the use Johnson & Johnson's single-shot vaccine, after six adult women developed blood clots and low blood platelet levels at the same time.
A week later, the FDA and the CDC lifted the pause on J&J shots after the independent advisory panel said the benefits of the shots outweighed the risks. The panel at the time did not recommend restricting the shots by age or gender. It did propose that the FDA add a warning label for women younger than 50.
The FDA has told health-care providers that they shouldn't administer a J&J booster to people who have a history of developing TTS after the first shot. The FDA also said the J&J shot should not be administered to people who received AstraZeneca's vaccine, though AstraZeneca is not authorized for use in the U.S.
CDC experts on Thursday said no TTS cases have been identified in people who have received J&J booster doses, though the number of boosters is relatively small.
"Currently available evidence supports a causal relationship between TTS and the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine," the FDA said in the factsheet for health-care providers.
In October, the FDA and CDC authorized J&J boosters for all adults at least two months after receiving their initial J&J shot. More than 800,00 people have received J&J boosters, according to CDC data. People who received their primary vaccination with the J&J shot can also get boosted with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices voted unanimously to recommend Pfizer and Moderna over the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. CDC Director Rochelle Walensky still has to accept the recommendation.
The CDC has confirmed 54 cases of people developing blood clots and showing low blood platelet levels, a new condition called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome that mostly affects younger women. All of the patients were hospitalized, nine people died and 36 were treated in intensive care.
The U.S. has administered more than 17 million J&J doses since the Food and Drug Administration authorized the shot on an emergency basis in February.
"The TTS case reporting rates following Janssen vaccines is higher than previous estimates in men as well as women in a wider age range," Dr. Keipp Talbot, chair of the the CDC's vaccine and safety subgroup, told the advisory panel.
Seven of the patients who died were women and two were men with a median age of 45. Most the people who died had underlying health conditions such as obesity, hypertension and diabetes. The death reporting rate was 0.57 fatalities per million doses administered, according to the CDC.
"We've been struck on reviewing these cases by how rapidly patient status deteriorates and results in death," Dr. Isaac See, with the CDC's vaccine safety team, told the advisory panel.
Patients typically developed symptoms 9 days after vaccination and were hospitalized 5 days after they developed symptoms, according to the CDC. The overwhelming majority of patients were women, 37 total, and the median age was 44. Seventeen men developed TTS.
Johnson & Johnson's Penny Heaton, global therapeutics area head for vaccines, defended the company's shot during the meeting, saying it "is saving lives here in the USA and on every continent around the globe."
"It's easy to store and transport," Heaton said. "In many low and middle income countries, our vaccine is the most important and sometimes the only option even in the US, given its durable protection may be the preferred choice for people who can't or won't return for multiple vaccinations."
Heaton said J&J recognizes the incidents of TTS associated with the vaccine and that the condition can be fatal, though the cases are rare. She said patient safety and well being remains J&J's top priority, and the company has several studies underway to identify risk factors associated with the development of TTS.
Though the CDC panel's recommendation was unanimous, some members grappled with the vote. The vaccine experts also could have recommended pulling the shot altogether, or limiting it to certain age or demographic groups.
Dr. Pablo Sanchez, a professor pediatrics at Ohio State University, said he is not recommending the J&J shot to any of his patients' parents, though he ultimately voted for the panel's motion.
"I just cannot recommend a vaccine that is associated with a condition that may lead to death," Sanchez told the committee. "I am not recommending it to any of my patients' parents."
Just scheduled my booster for Monday. :)
I've been slow because I wasn't feeling well a while ago.
It's funny, not really, how things have escalted here.
Two weeks ago I went to book an appointment for my parents for their booster (I didn't qualify yet). I got them an appointment two days later.
Yesterday I finally went to book an appointment for myself and can't get anything before Jan 10.
Yeah, I can't understand the lack of urgency in our public health officials to get us all boosted.
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 20, 2021, 12:41:54 PM
Yeah, I can't understand the lack of urgency in our public health officials to get us all boosted.
I don't think it's a lack of urgency, I think it's a logistics issue in rolling out the booster in an accelerated timeframe.
Quote from: Jacob on December 20, 2021, 03:32:28 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on December 20, 2021, 12:41:54 PM
Yeah, I can't understand the lack of urgency in our public health officials to get us all boosted.
I don't think it's a lack of urgency, I think it's a logistics issue in rolling out the booster in an accelerated timeframe.
I am not sure. I think we have the vaccines sitting in storage atm. And the system is already set up to go. I suspect they made the decision a few weeks ago regarding the role out - but events have overtaken those plans.
Just got my booster. Went with Pfizer for the 3rd, actually changed from my planned Moderna at the last minute (they had both and gave me the choice).
90 minutes later and I feel fine!
:thumbsup:
I had to shop at Target tonight, and oh boy, that was a scary sight. There had to have been at least 200 people there at once, probably more. I imagine the odds of no one there having Covid, right now in New Jersey city that is bordering NYC, are non-existent. I'm almost resigned to the fact that Covid is in my future, given the crazy spread of Omicron, as there is just no way to completely escape such petri dishes. I hope that wearing a mask and being triple vaccinated will spare me from the truly unpleasant stuff once the time comes.
Why the paranoia about Omricon? Reports suggest it is a mild variant.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 20, 2021, 06:17:10 PM
Why the paranoia about Omricon? Reports suggest it is a mild variant.
From what I'm reading, a lot of experts are still hesitant to conclude that it is indeed a mild variant, all things being equal. Also, as with other Covid, the concern is not just about dying, but also about long Covid. From what I know, you can get long Covid from mild cases of short Covid.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 20, 2021, 06:17:10 PM
Why the paranoia about Omricon? Reports suggest it is a mild variant.
Reports are mixed - reports from Denmark indicate that the hospitalization rate is a bit lower (but not massively so) for omicron, but that the vaccine is much less effective in preventing spread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/18/omicron-variant-denmark/
Crap, I didn't notice I posted in the wrong Covid thread. Mental confusion already setting in? :unsure:
Quote from: Berkut on December 20, 2021, 03:51:54 PM
Just got my booster. Went with Pfizer for the 3rd, actually changed from my planned Moderna at the last minute (they had both and gave me the choice).
90 minutes later and I feel fine!
Same here, except I got the Moderna (got Pfizer for the first two). So far so good!
Also got my flu shot, though probably too late since I'm pretty sure I got the flu back in September.
Quote from: DGuller on December 20, 2021, 06:08:55 PM
I had to shop at Target tonight, and oh boy, that was a scary sight. There had to have been at least 200 people there at once, probably more. I imagine the odds of no one there having Covid, right now in New Jersey city that is bordering NYC, are non-existent. I'm almost resigned to the fact that Covid is in my future, given the crazy spread of Omicron, as there is just no way to completely escape such petri dishes. I hope that wearing a mask and being triple vaccinated will spare me from the truly unpleasant stuff once the time comes.
It should...otherwise we're all fucked.
Quote from: Jacob on December 20, 2021, 06:24:27 PM
Reports are mixed - reports from Denmark indicate that the hospitalization rate is a bit lower (but not massively so) for omicron, but that the vaccine is much less effective in preventing spread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/18/omicron-variant-denmark/
I believe that was quite a small sample and already out of date - the latest figures in Denmark look more promising. The figures on hospitalisation last week showed that it was very marginally less mild than delta, but the latest is that it looks like the hospitalisation rate is about a third of delta. It's so early that a few days makes a big difference in terms of the figures so at the minute I think most things need to be handled with care.
There's lots of indicators that it's milder and at least two theories for why that is (that it replicates and lives in the bronchus not the lungs and it is vastly less able to join cells, which causes tissue damage, than other variants). There's not enough evidence to be conclusive about it, it's not fully clear why (if it is milder) and it's not clear how much of that is due to something innate in omicron v the effect of existing immunity from previous infections (especially beta in South Africa) or vaccines. But from what I've seen most of the information seems to point in the direction of it being milder.
The probem is it's so early - there's a lot about South Africa that makes people think it might be unique so the data from Denmark and the UK as the most far along European countries (so no beta wave) will let us know more. They've both got pretty good vaccination rates, lots of monitoring and sequencing capacity (I belive per capita they do more sequencing than anywhere else in the world) so they'll tell us a lot.
But obviously milder might not be mild and it might be outweighed by how much more transmissible it is (and it's not just the vaccine - there are more reports of re-infections from people who've even been previously infected), and if it's as much more transmissible than it looks it will find the unvaccinated quickly.
Oh that's good to hear, thanks :cheers:
The father of my sister-in-law is in the ICU. He already had his booster :(
He's in his 70s. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: celedhring on December 21, 2021, 03:08:39 AM
The father of my sister-in-law is in the ICU. He already had his booster :(
He's in his 70s. Fingers crossed.
Sorry to hear that..... :( Hope he recovers soon.
FWIW, I mentioned a while ago, my brother, who is 50, was in ICU with COVID a while back. He has made a pretty good recovery. He still requires supplemental oxygen now and then but he's far better than we thought he'd be by Christmas.
So I noticed today that the only person in our office who's not vaccinated is also the one who has little plastic jars in the corners of her office labeled "Mineral Mix against Electro-Magnetic Radiation".
Quote from: Syt on December 21, 2021, 07:24:46 AM
So I noticed today that the only person in our office who's not vaccinated is also the one who has little plastic jars in the corners of her office labeled "Mineral Mix against Electro-Magnetic Radiation".
If you ask nicely maybe the person will direct you to some 45 min YT videos that explain the science behind it.
Quote from: Josephus on December 21, 2021, 06:42:01 AM
Quote from: celedhring on December 21, 2021, 03:08:39 AM
The father of my sister-in-law is in the ICU. He already had his booster :(
He's in his 70s. Fingers crossed.
Sorry to hear that..... :( Hope he recovers soon.
FWIW, I mentioned a while ago, my brother, who is 50, was in ICU with COVID a while back. He has made a pretty good recovery. He still requires supplemental oxygen now and then but he's far better than we thought he'd be by Christmas.
:)
Good to hear, Jos. what an excellent Xmas 'present' for the family to have, as I guess you guys were pretty worried at one stage.
Christmas cancelled again :(
My dad's just tested positive (no symptoms - although this is on the basis that my mum says he's not got a new cough just the same cough he always has :lol:). He's boosted so hopefully it'll all be fine.
My mum insists she's not tested positive yet and the faint line means negative - which I'm certain is wrong and I've told her that.
So delaying it into the New Year (hopefully) <_<
Quote from: celedhring on December 21, 2021, 03:08:39 AM
The father of my sister-in-law is in the ICU. He already had his booster :(
He's in his 70s. Fingers crossed.
Oh sorry to hear - hope he gets better soon.
Best wishes Celed and Sheilbh.
Sheilbh, the lateral flow test instruction is very explicit on even a faint line to be considered positive. :p
Do you guys have other tests than Lateral flow? Using the full name makes me thing that yes but you don't seem to ever mention them.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 21, 2021, 09:43:00 AM
Do you guys have other tests than Lateral flow? Using the full name makes me thing that yes but you don't seem to ever mention them.
If you tested positive or got in contact with a confirmed case you are supposed to take a PCR test.
Or have symptoms.
I do a lot of lateral flow tests, especially when we were back in the office just to be on the safe side and not spread it everywhere.
I've only heard British people talk about that kind of tests, I actually have no idea what they entail. A quick online search only shows British sites talking about them.
Over here it's only PCR or antigens.
Lateral flow is antigen
Quote from: The Larch on December 21, 2021, 09:55:15 AM
I've only heard British people talk about that kind of tests, I actually have no idea what they entail. A quick online search only shows British sites talking about them.
Over here it's only PCR or antigens.
Yes only ever Brits. They are just rapid test, which I guess is also the antigens test.
I've only ever did 2 PCR tests and those were ~10 days ago. The minor symptoms of covid are something I have almost everyday. Unless I have a fever or lose smell/taste, I see no point of using a rapid test.
Quote from: garbon on December 21, 2021, 09:57:38 AM
Lateral flow is antigen
Ah, ok, so it's a matter of terminology then.
Whenever I hear of lateral flow here, I can't help but picture a stream of urine going sideways.
You can do free gargle PCR tests here. The results take up to 24 hours to arrive, so that's a bit of a bummer.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 20, 2021, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 20, 2021, 03:51:54 PM
Just got my booster. Went with Pfizer for the 3rd, actually changed from my planned Moderna at the last minute (they had both and gave me the choice).
90 minutes later and I feel fine!
Same here, except I got the Moderna (got Pfizer for the first two). So far so good!
Also got my flu shot, though probably too late since I'm pretty sure I got the flu back in September.
Update: I got all of the side effects last night. Fever, chills, nausea, muscle and join pain, headache, tiredness and unable to sleep. Ugh.
Quote from: Syt on December 21, 2021, 10:14:38 AM
You can do free gargle PCR tests here. The results take up to 24 hours to arrive, so that's a bit of a bummer.
After 18 months what I wouldn't give for a gargle test :x
Yeah here it's the lateral flow tests which are the less accurate (but still good) rapid tests. You can get free boxes of seven tests from loads of places - government website, pharmacies, libraries, GP surgeries etc. They're just the day to day do at home and get a result at home tests. So I'd always do them for a few days before going out to something earlier in the year. When offices re-opened I did them probably every 2-3 days. I think if you've got kids in school you need to do the whole household every day etc.
Then there's the PCR which is also free but either at the walk-in/drive-by testing stands or delivered. It's similar you get the result in 24 hours. I think NHS and care home staff get PCRed very regularly, but otherwise it's really if you had a positive lateral flow, have symptoms or have been in contact with someone with covid (although this is all just declaring stuff on a website so...).
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 21, 2021, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 21, 2021, 10:14:38 AM
You can do free gargle PCR tests here. The results take up to 24 hours to arrive, so that's a bit of a bummer.
After 18 months what I wouldn't give for a gargle test :x
Yeah here it's the lateral flow tests which are the less accurate (but still good) rapid tests. You can get free boxes of seven tests from loads of places - government website, pharmacies, libraries, GP surgeries etc. They're just the day to day do at home and get a result at home tests. So I'd always do them for a few days before going out to something earlier in the year. When offices re-opened I did them probably every 2-3 days. I think if you've got kids in school you need to do the whole household every day etc.
Then there's the PCR which is also free but either at the walk-in/drive-by testing stands or delivered. It's similar you get the result in 24 hours. I think NHS and care home staff get PCRed very regularly, but otherwise it's really if you had a positive lateral flow, have symptoms or have been in contact with someone with covid (although this is all just declaring stuff on a website so...).
Thanks Shelf, I never knew that, I'll get a couple in for Xmas visiting. :bowler:
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 21, 2021, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 21, 2021, 10:14:38 AM
You can do free gargle PCR tests here. The results take up to 24 hours to arrive, so that's a bit of a bummer.
After 18 months what I wouldn't give for a gargle test :x
It's cool but it can be so long to fill up 5ml of gargle. My kids take upwards of 20mins.
Over here PCR test are the standard, antigen tests have only recently been made available, and I don't think you can do any of them at home, you have to go either to a clinic or a pharmacy to get one done.
It's funny how in some countries testing is almost everywhere and easily available and in others it's still a much more regimented affair.
Quote from: mongers on December 21, 2021, 07:50:10 AM
Quote from: Josephus on December 21, 2021, 06:42:01 AM
Quote from: celedhring on December 21, 2021, 03:08:39 AM
The father of my sister-in-law is in the ICU. He already had his booster :(
He's in his 70s. Fingers crossed.
Sorry to hear that..... :( Hope he recovers soon.
FWIW, I mentioned a while ago, my brother, who is 50, was in ICU with COVID a while back. He has made a pretty good recovery. He still requires supplemental oxygen now and then but he's far better than we thought he'd be by Christmas.
:)
Good to hear, Jos. what an excellent Xmas 'present' for the family to have, as I guess you guys were pretty worried at one stage.
Yes. The initial diagnosis was pretty grim.
Quote from: The Larch on December 21, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Over here PCR test are the standard, antigen tests have only recently been made available, and I don't think you can do any of them at home, you have to go either to a clinic or a pharmacy to get one done.
It's funny how in some countries testing is almost everywhere and easily available and in others it's still a much more regimented affair.
Yeah, that's the Quebec experience too. Rapid test started being distributed at large...yesterday. And the current recommendation is to only use it when having symptoms.
Day after booster, arm is sore but that's it.
I got the text telling me to make my booster appointment - getting it at 12:10 today.
Quote from: DGuller on December 21, 2021, 10:06:36 AM
Whenever I hear of lateral flow here, I can't help but picture a stream of urine going sideways.
You know it's ok to sit down.
No it's not.
I thought of mucous flowing from one side of your face to the other.
Quote from: The Larch on December 21, 2021, 11:31:38 AMOver here PCR test are the standard, antigen tests have only recently been made available, and I don't think you can do any of them at home, you have to go either to a clinic or a pharmacy to get one done.
It's funny how in some countries testing is almost everywhere and easily available and in others it's still a much more regimented affair.
Yeah - my impression is that the rapid tests here are probably the most important part of our covid response outside of vaccines. Basically based on the reporting, every day somewhere like 1% of the population are doing lateral flow tests (and I'm quite bad at forgetting to report so there's probably more).
It's not a definitive result but it let's people get a PCR, they can watch for symptoms, they can mention it to the doctor if they have any other health problems and they can adjust their behaviour. Plus I think they allow for, probably, a more accurate picture of how many cases (though there are many that will still not be detected). It is crazy because they were almost scrapped because they are less accurate than PCR - my understanding is that they basically don't give false negatives, but there is a small percentage of false positives.
I also think just with myself, friends, colleagues - most people I know do LFTs pretty regularly (especially if they have kids) and that makes us more comfortable to do things - especially because you can do them on the day in 15-30 minutes at home and you have a result. I've gone through loads since re-opening but especially once the offices re-opened, as much as anything for my own safety of mind that I'm not going across London on a commuter train with covid.
But it is really weird watching the US talk about this beause there was a clip that went viral of Biden's press secretary being a bit dismissive and incredulous at the idea of just sending Americans tests
for free. Because we have that here, but both sides feel slightly disconnected from reality. It doesn't solve the pandemic as I think a lot of test-boosters in the US seem to think it will, but it also isn't impossible to provide for free on a mass scale (and my understanding is the cost of these tests in the UK is a fraction of what it is in the US because we go through so many).
Quote from: The Larch on December 21, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Over here PCR test are the standard, antigen tests have only recently been made available, and I don't think you can do any of them at home, you have to go either to a clinic or a pharmacy to get one done.
It's funny how in some countries testing is almost everywhere and easily available and in others it's still a much more regimented affair.
PCR is pretty standard in Vienna, the regions outside are having issues setting up the proper infrastructure.
Quote from: Syt on December 22, 2021, 03:55:47 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 21, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
Over here PCR test are the standard, antigen tests have only recently been made available, and I don't think you can do any of them at home, you have to go either to a clinic or a pharmacy to get one done.
It's funny how in some countries testing is almost everywhere and easily available and in others it's still a much more regimented affair.
PCR is pretty standard in Vienna, the regions outside are having issues setting up the proper infrastructure.
I will soon try the viennese system, I'll let you know what's my experience with it. ;)
The Austrian statistics office has conducted a study to examine how socio-economic factors contribute to whether or not a person gets vaccinated. About 70% of the population have received two shots so far.
Vaccination rate is at 84% for academics aged 25-64 while the rate is at 68% for persons who finished school after minimum required attendance. Enployed vs unemployed is 76% vs 69%. Lowest rates are found in agriculture (60.5%) and construction (56.1%). Health and social professions are at 78.6%.
Persons born in Austria show a 70% vaccination rate whereas people without Austrian passport stand at 51.5%. The highest rates among foreigners are Turks (73%), Afghans and Germans (72% each). The lowest vaccination rates are among Russians (42.6%) and Romanians (44.5%).
Quote from: Syt on December 28, 2021, 07:56:42 AM
The Austrian statistics office has conducted a study to examine how socio-economic factors contribute to whether or not a person gets vaccinated. About 70% of the population have received two shots so far.
Vaccination rate is at 84% for academics aged 25-64 while the rate is at 68% for persons who finished school after minimum required attendance. Enployed vs unemployed is 76% vs 69%. Lowest rates are found in agriculture (60.5%) and construction (56.1%). Health and social professions are at 78.6%.
Persons born in Austria show a 70% vaccination rate whereas people without Austrian passport stand at 51.5%. The highest rates among foreigners are Turks (73%), Afghans and Germans (72% each). The lowest vaccination rates are among Russians (42.6%) and Romanians (44.5%).
Interesting statistics. It appears that in Europe, most Orthodox Christian countries are low on vaccination rates. It appears that even as a segment of population, people of "Orthodox origin" (not sure if we can define the Russians and Romanians this way) are at the low end.
I wonder if it's just a coincidence, or if there are deeper factors behind this.
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 22, 2021, 03:46:43 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 21, 2021, 11:31:38 AMOver here PCR test are the standard, antigen tests have only recently been made available, and I don't think you can do any of them at home, you have to go either to a clinic or a pharmacy to get one done.
It's funny how in some countries testing is almost everywhere and easily available and in others it's still a much more regimented affair.
Yeah - my impression is that the rapid tests here are probably the most important part of our covid response outside of vaccines. Basically based on the reporting, every day somewhere like 1% of the population are doing lateral flow tests (and I'm quite bad at forgetting to report so there's probably more).
It's not a definitive result but it let's people get a PCR, they can watch for symptoms, they can mention it to the doctor if they have any other health problems and they can adjust their behaviour. Plus I think they allow for, probably, a more accurate picture of how many cases (though there are many that will still not be detected). It is crazy because they were almost scrapped because they are less accurate than PCR - my understanding is that they basically don't give false negatives, but there is a small percentage of false positives.
I also think just with myself, friends, colleagues - most people I know do LFTs pretty regularly (especially if they have kids) and that makes us more comfortable to do things - especially because you can do them on the day in 15-30 minutes at home and you have a result. I've gone through loads since re-opening but especially once the offices re-opened, as much as anything for my own safety of mind that I'm not going across London on a commuter train with covid.
But it is really weird watching the US talk about this beause there was a clip that went viral of Biden's press secretary being a bit dismissive and incredulous at the idea of just sending Americans tests for free. Because we have that here, but both sides feel slightly disconnected from reality. It doesn't solve the pandemic as I think a lot of test-boosters in the US seem to think it will, but it also isn't impossible to provide for free on a mass scale (and my understanding is the cost of these tests in the UK is a fraction of what it is in the US because we go through so many).
The free tests thing was a interesting point over xmas for me.
My partner works in a school so at home we have loads of these tests she has been given. She hasn't had any close enough calls to bother really using many of them.
We took a box to us with Switzerland when we went over as her aunt is vulnerable and we want to be certain if we're mixing with her that all is OK, and...turns out they're impossible to get there. The aunt works as a high school teacher and really wants to get hold of them to check her health regularly but can't.
We plan to smuggle a bunch of the free tests to Switzerland next time she visits.
Quote from: Gaijin de Moscu on January 08, 2022, 03:49:23 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 28, 2021, 07:56:42 AM
The Austrian statistics office has conducted a study to examine how socio-economic factors contribute to whether or not a person gets vaccinated. About 70% of the population have received two shots so far.
Vaccination rate is at 84% for academics aged 25-64 while the rate is at 68% for persons who finished school after minimum required attendance. Enployed vs unemployed is 76% vs 69%. Lowest rates are found in agriculture (60.5%) and construction (56.1%). Health and social professions are at 78.6%.
Persons born in Austria show a 70% vaccination rate whereas people without Austrian passport stand at 51.5%. The highest rates among foreigners are Turks (73%), Afghans and Germans (72% each). The lowest vaccination rates are among Russians (42.6%) and Romanians (44.5%).
Interesting statistics. It appears that in Europe, most Orthodox Christian countries are low on vaccination rates. It appears that even as a segment of population, people of "Orthodox origin" (not sure if we can define the Russians and Romanians this way) are at the low end.
I wonder if it's just a coincidence, or if there are deeper factors behind this.
Superstitious lot, I'd wager.
Quote from: Tyr on January 08, 2022, 03:59:00 AM
The free tests thing was a interesting point over xmas for me.
My partner works in a school so at home we have loads of these tests she has been given. She hasn't had any close enough calls to bother really using many of them.
We took a box to us with Switzerland when we went over as her aunt is vulnerable and we want to be certain if we're mixing with her that all is OK, and...turns out they're impossible to get there. The aunt works as a high school teacher and really wants to get hold of them to check her health regularly but can't.
We plan to smuggle a bunch of the free tests to Switzerland next time she visits.
Yeah I think it's really interesting how differently different countries have approached testing. From free-for-all on these tests, to allowing them but for sale, to not really using them - it's one of those things that I think still hits home to me how national this pandemic has been.
I thought at the start that we'd all be learning from countries who are most successful and also looking at each other to predict when waves and variants were going to hit us. Instead it seems like each country basically had to discover each wave as a novelty and seems to have either made the same policy mistakes, or ones of their own - but it seems far more national than I expected. It really hit home on testing when Jen Psaki in the White House was utterly incredulous when asked if the US government would send people rapid tests for free.
Quote from: Gaijin de Moscu on January 08, 2022, 03:49:23 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 28, 2021, 07:56:42 AM
The Austrian statistics office has conducted a study to examine how socio-economic factors contribute to whether or not a person gets vaccinated. About 70% of the population have received two shots so far.
Vaccination rate is at 84% for academics aged 25-64 while the rate is at 68% for persons who finished school after minimum required attendance. Enployed vs unemployed is 76% vs 69%. Lowest rates are found in agriculture (60.5%) and construction (56.1%). Health and social professions are at 78.6%.
Persons born in Austria show a 70% vaccination rate whereas people without Austrian passport stand at 51.5%. The highest rates among foreigners are Turks (73%), Afghans and Germans (72% each). The lowest vaccination rates are among Russians (42.6%) and Romanians (44.5%).
Interesting statistics. It appears that in Europe, most Orthodox Christian countries are low on vaccination rates. It appears that even as a segment of population, people of "Orthodox origin" (not sure if we can define the Russians and Romanians this way) are at the low end.
I wonder if it's just a coincidence, or if there are deeper factors behind this.
:hmm:
It would interesting to know about the stats for the Orthodox people, mosty immigrants, in Portugal. I don't recall any mention of them being anti-vaccines/vaccine "hesitant" (as per Sheilb's PC formulation).
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 08, 2022, 06:40:39 AM
Quote from: Tyr on January 08, 2022, 03:59:00 AM
The free tests thing was a interesting point over xmas for me.
My partner works in a school so at home we have loads of these tests she has been given. She hasn't had any close enough calls to bother really using many of them.
We took a box to us with Switzerland when we went over as her aunt is vulnerable and we want to be certain if we're mixing with her that all is OK, and...turns out they're impossible to get there. The aunt works as a high school teacher and really wants to get hold of them to check her health regularly but can't.
We plan to smuggle a bunch of the free tests to Switzerland next time she visits.
Yeah I think it's really interesting how differently different countries have approached testing. From free-for-all on these tests, to allowing them but for sale, to not really using them - it's one of those things that I think still hits home to me how national this pandemic has been.
I thought at the start that we'd all be learning from countries who are most successful and also looking at each other to predict when waves and variants were going to hit us. Instead it seems like each country basically had to discover each wave as a novelty and seems to have either made the same policy mistakes, or ones of their own - but it seems far more national than I expected. It really hit home on testing when Jen Psaki in the White House was utterly incredulous when asked if the US government would send people rapid tests for free.
I think that's an issue of experts. While we listen and watch tendencies and experts from everywhere leaders listen to their own experts. Experts that can be quite slow to react when they are not simply idiots.
In this pandemic, post 1st wave, Quebec is Belgium on a 4 week delay. Yet, our leaders have failed to yield to that lesson and react accordingly. They are always a week behind with measures.
Quote from: Gaijin de Moscu on January 08, 2022, 03:49:23 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 28, 2021, 07:56:42 AM
The Austrian statistics office has conducted a study to examine how socio-economic factors contribute to whether or not a person gets vaccinated. About 70% of the population have received two shots so far.
Vaccination rate is at 84% for academics aged 25-64 while the rate is at 68% for persons who finished school after minimum required attendance. Enployed vs unemployed is 76% vs 69%. Lowest rates are found in agriculture (60.5%) and construction (56.1%). Health and social professions are at 78.6%.
Persons born in Austria show a 70% vaccination rate whereas people without Austrian passport stand at 51.5%. The highest rates among foreigners are Turks (73%), Afghans and Germans (72% each). The lowest vaccination rates are among Russians (42.6%) and Romanians (44.5%).
Interesting statistics. It appears that in Europe, most Orthodox Christian countries are low on vaccination rates. It appears that even as a segment of population, people of "Orthodox origin" (not sure if we can define the Russians and Romanians this way) are at the low end.
I wonder if it's just a coincidence, or if there are deeper factors behind this.
Probably just a correlation. Orthodox Christian countries tend to be Eastern European countries, and a sense of fatalism is probably one of the most pernicious universal traits there. So is the wide acceptance of all conspiracy theories, to show that you're smarter than to trust the government.
Quote from: DGuller on January 08, 2022, 02:29:06 PM
Probably just a correlation. Orthodox Christian countries tend to be Eastern European countries, and a sense of fatalism is probably one of the most pernicious universal traits there. So is the wide acceptance of all conspiracy theories, to show that you're smarter than to trust the government.
Yep, this could be true. I hardly open the Russian-language forums these days — I'm out of patience for the endless conspiracies.
Even educated professionals are sending me "articles" about Mr. Gates scheming to reduce the world's population with vaccines... exasperating.
Had my booster shot today; Moderna. Had Pfizer for my main shots so don't know how this will affect me.
So far, nothing worse than the same mild ache in the jabbed arm that I had with the Pfizer shots. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: Agelastus on January 11, 2022, 07:55:01 AM
Had my booster shot today; Moderna. Had Pfizer for my main shots so don't know how this will affect me.
So far, nothing worse than the same mild ache in the jabbed arm that I had with the Pfizer shots. Fingers crossed.
I had same mix. Had a little bit of ache and headachd but nothing else. Husband felt a bit sick on same combo. No wildness like Uber driver who told us moderna would make us dead for two days.
Quote from: garbon on January 11, 2022, 08:03:20 AM
No wildness like Uber driver who told us moderna would make us dead for two days.
:unsure: :pope:
Third Pfizer went down a lot better than second Pfizer.
Quote from: DGuller on January 11, 2022, 08:08:04 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 11, 2022, 08:03:20 AM
No wildness like Uber driver who told us moderna would make us dead for two days.
:unsure: :pope:
And then on the third day, when it was still dark, garbon's husband went to his tomb and saw the stone had been removed from its entrance. "They have taken garbon out of his tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!" He then stood outside the tomb crying and then turned around and saw garbon but did not know it was garbon. Garbon then asked him "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?"
What a sweet moment that would have been.
Black Jesus!
Depending on whose account you believe, drive actually said Modern or said Madonna. :tinfoil:
I swear that before the internet cabbes were the largest vector for misinformation. So this makes sense.
Quote from: Gaijin de Moscu on January 08, 2022, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: DGuller on January 08, 2022, 02:29:06 PM
Probably just a correlation. Orthodox Christian countries tend to be Eastern European countries, and a sense of fatalism is probably one of the most pernicious universal traits there. So is the wide acceptance of all conspiracy theories, to show that you're smarter than to trust the government.
Yep, this could be true. I hardly open the Russian-language forums these days — I'm out of patience for the endless conspiracies.
Even educated professionals are sending me "articles" about Mr. Gates scheming to reduce the world's population with vaccines... exasperating.
The bill Gates stuff is just bizzare.
A person I know and happened to be Facebook friends with had a thread on whether they should get the vaccine or not. One of their friends posted a bunch of silly stuff why not. I mocked this by joking about how what they said was on a par with Bill Gates implanting chips via the vaccines.... The response - if you think bill Gates is innocent you're deluded.
It seems to be just an article of faith with these people that gates is bad. Really curious how it got there.
Quote from: Tyr on January 11, 2022, 06:13:35 PM
The bill Gates stuff is just bizzare.
...
Really curious how it got there.
Windows. It changed your life. But it promises so much, and now you are dependent on it, and it often frustrates. It's an unhappy relationship that is now three decades old with no real escape.
It's not like people are in love with Zuttenberg and Bezos either. They are just the new kids in the technoaristocracy.
Quote from: saskganesh on January 11, 2022, 06:30:27 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 11, 2022, 06:13:35 PM
The bill Gates stuff is just bizzare.
...
Really curious how it got there.
Windows. It changed your life. But it promises so much, and now you are dependent on it, and it often frustrates. It's an unhappy relationship that is now three decades old with no real escape.
It's not like people are in love with Zuttenberg and Bezos either. They are just the new kids in the technoaristocracy.
I don't think it's just that. 20+ years ago there was a lot of dislike for Gates around Microsofts business practices et al.
But this stuff with him planting chips in brains and everything seems to have just come with his more recent charity efforts.
The weird thing is, I think it's his ex wife Melinda driving all of that. I don't think Gates himself cared that much, but realized it was good for his public image. But these nutjobs don't scream about Melinda Gates a lot, do they? It's just Bill.
You're giving these folks too much credit Squeeze. Remember they also think the DNC is running a pedo sex ring out of a suburban Maryland pizza joint.
Quote from: Tyr on January 11, 2022, 06:13:35 PM
The bill Gates stuff is just bizzare.
A person I know and happened to be Facebook friends with had a thread on whether they should get the vaccine or not. One of their friends posted a bunch of silly stuff why not. I mocked this by joking about how what they said was on a par with Bill Gates implanting chips via the vaccines.... The response - if you think bill Gates is innocent you're deluded.
It seems to be just an article of faith with these people that gates is bad. Really curious how it got there.
In my case, it was my ex-girlfriend from 30 years ago. In an urge to care for me, as we're still good friends, she sent me a link to the Gates's speech, asking me to not get vaccinated.
Apparently, this particular conspiracy theory goes back to his "Innovating to Zero" TedTalk, where he said, among other things, "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent."
https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_innovating_to_zero/transcript?language=en#t-282620
Some people took the speech title to mean innovating to zero population, and his reference to vaccines as the tool to get there.
Just received my booster, I got Moderna this time, after having received Pfizer for the two previous shots.
I'm getting mine this Saturday - I planned on spending Sunday in bed :lol:
Quote from: Gaijin de Moscu on January 12, 2022, 04:25:48 AM
In my case, it was my ex-girlfriend from 30 years ago. In an urge to care for me, as we're still good friends, she sent me a link to the Gates's speech, asking me to not get vaccinated.
Apparently, this particular conspiracy theory goes back to his "Innovating to Zero" TedTalk, where he said, among other things, "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent."
https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_innovating_to_zero/transcript?language=en#t-282620
Some people took the speech title to mean innovating to zero population, and his reference to vaccines as the tool to get there.
Thanks, did know that.
I guess that makes some sort of sense, a deliberate or very stupid misinterpretation by those people of what Gates was saying, could lead them to those 'facts' as they say.
Shows how they think like children.
"with my doom laser I shall destroy the world Mwa ha ha" - when I was a kid this seemed a perfectly legitimate thing for a baddy to be doing.
Only with age did I come to think "wait. Doesn't he live in the world? What's in it for him?"
Yes, the direct quote could be confusing/counter-intuitive. You need to understand the context of his entire speech to get why he's mentioning vaccines and health care whilst talking about lowering the rate of population growth.
As is, the quote is almost perfect and custom-made for the antivax crowd.
Quote from: The Larch on January 13, 2022, 04:49:47 AM
Just received my booster, I got Moderna this time, after having received Pfizer for the two previous shots.
It's half the dose for 100% of the side-effects! -_- :thumbsdown:
Goddam, I still feel tired 5 days after this.
My booster shot of Moderna from Tuesday made my arm hurt worse than the first Pfizer shot, but also may have cleared up slightly quicker.
Couldn't actually tell if I was tired because I'd had too little sleep the two nights before the booster and a bad night's sleep the night after the booster.
Nothing serious in other words. I am one of the lucky ones, I guess.
Quote from: viper37 on January 13, 2022, 03:41:03 PM
Quote from: The Larch on January 13, 2022, 04:49:47 AM
Just received my booster, I got Moderna this time, after having received Pfizer for the two previous shots.
It's half the dose for 100% of the side-effects! -_- :thumbsdown:
Goddam, I still feel tired 5 days after this.
I am blessed because I got far more trouble from my annual flu shot than I ever did from any of my COVID shots which barely registered.
Quote from: Gaijin de Moscu on January 13, 2022, 08:44:03 AM
Yes, the direct quote could be confusing/counter-intuitive. You need to understand the context of his entire speech to get why he's mentioning vaccines and health care whilst talking about lowering the rate of population growth.
As is, the quote is almost perfect and custom-made for the antivax crowd.
All truth is relative, and their interpretation of his words are as good as anyone elses...
Yeah, I was worried about my booster, but....well, nothing really. Just a sore arm for maybe half a day. No noticeable fever or chills or weakness.
I could get a booster now but my children will be eligible for their 2nd dose in 2 weeks so I'll wait for a combined appointment to avoid going to the vaccine center multiple times.
At the risk of sounding condescending Renard, that's a very complex sentence for a non native speaker. :cheers:
21461 tries.
:hmm: I know he's Quebecois but I thought GF was bilingual?
He's clearly bilingual. He still may have been raised in a monolingual French household.
ET is right. I was introduced to English in 4th grade. I didn't really pay attention to anything english until Topanga entered my life when I was around 14.
Quote from: Berkut on January 13, 2022, 04:52:43 PM
All truth is relative, and their interpretation of his words are as good as anyone elses...
Haha, ok :D
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2022, 09:50:59 PM
ET is right. I was introduced to English in 4th grade. I didn't really pay attention to anything english until Topanga entered my life when I was around 14.
What is Topanga?
Character on Boy Meets World.
Biontech, the company that developed the Pfizer vaccine, was alone responsible for a 0.5% growth of Germany's GDP last year. Their revenue grew from less than half a billion to 17 billion Euro in one year.
Quote from: Valmy on January 14, 2022, 03:49:11 PM
Character on Boy Meets World.
Ok. That's a sitcom? A Teen/Kid's show?
Quote from: viper37 on January 15, 2022, 06:36:10 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 14, 2022, 03:49:11 PM
Character on Boy Meets World.
Ok. That's a sitcom? A Teen/Kid's show?
Yes
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/boymeetsworld/images/f/f4/Topanga_S04_promo_pic.jpg)
Siege could have told us more. That's really his department.
Got my booster yesterday. So far just a mild fever and discomfort, not as much of a kick as the second shot.
Got my Moderna booster yesterday, today the arm and armpit hurts a lot. My wife, who also got hers yesterday, has a slight fever and is tired.
Quote from: garbon on January 15, 2022, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 15, 2022, 06:36:10 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 14, 2022, 03:49:11 PM
Character on Boy Meets World.
Ok. That's a sitcom? A Teen/Kid's show?
Yes
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/boymeetsworld/images/f/f4/Topanga_S04_promo_pic.jpg)
I'd have been prompted to learn English too... :P
Quote from: Eddie Teach on January 13, 2022, 09:44:02 PM
He's clearly bilingual. He still may have been raised in a monolingual French household.
I guess what I meant to say was, I thought GF has fluently spoken both languages his whole life, kind of like my Chinese friends who learned both Cantonese and English from birth, basically.
GF, you fooled me with your excellent command of English. :)
Got my booster shot yesterday (3 x Moderna) and it kicked my ass. Very sore arms, muscle aches, and teeth-chattering chills. This morning I'm sore and low energy. Taking the day off work to feel sorry for myself.
My Moderna booster last week also gave me a pretty bad time, with those same symptoms. Took me 3 days to get back in shape.
Had my booster yesterday afternoon . Moderna.
And.... I feel pretty OK. Especially next to the 2nd Pfizer.
Very slight sore arm coming on this evening, been tired (perhaps not due to it) and a bit head achy but... Nothing too bad.
Was ditch digging just fine this morning.
Quote from: Jacob on January 18, 2022, 11:32:18 AM
Got my booster shot yesterday (3 x Moderna) and it kicked my ass. Very sore arms, muscle aches, and teeth-chattering chills. This morning I'm sore and low energy. Taking the day off work to feel sorry for myself.
That was me after Moderna #3. Felt like crap the day after, woke up in the night with shivers and chills, ran a fever for 36 hours.
A cousin, unrelated to the anti vaxer though a known bullshitter and believer of nonsense, albeit I suspect much of it is a front.... Seems to have gotten an actual vaccine injury from the booster if such a thing is remotely possible.
The needle apparently went in at just the wrong place and fucked with a nerve wrecking his arm.
No idea how true this is. Very possible he coincidentally also pulled it at around the same time. Though it does sound like something that could happen. Could it?
Quote from: Tyr on February 27, 2022, 01:44:08 PM
A cousin, unrelated to the anti vaxer though a known bullshitter and believer of nonsense, albeit I suspect much of it is a front.... Seems to have gotten an actual vaccine injury from the booster if such a thing is remotely possible.
The needle apparently went in at just the wrong place and fucked with a nerve wrecking his arm.
No idea how true this is. Very possible he coincidentally also pulled it at around the same time. Though it does sound like something that could happen. Could it?
A needle hitting a nerve partially disabling your arm? Colour me sceptical.
Quote from: Tyr on February 27, 2022, 01:44:08 PMA cousin, unrelated to the anti vaxer though a known bullshitter and believer of nonsense, albeit I suspect much of it is a front.... Seems to have gotten an actual vaccine injury from the booster if such a thing is remotely possible.
The needle apparently went in at just the wrong place and fucked with a nerve wrecking his arm.
No idea how true this is. Very possible he coincidentally also pulled it at around the same time. Though it does sound like something that could happen. Could it?
Not possible from the needle itself, unless this is a unique human with no muscle tissue in their shoulder and in the place of that tissue some kind of odd nerve structure.