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Well, we are all entitled to an attention-whoring-thread now and then, are we not?


The thread was called Healthcare. It was started by Johan, who shared his positive experience(s) of Swedish health care. Here's the link for those interested who are not banned from EUOT: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=446578

I will try to give some context for those who are banned, and can not read for themselves. Libertarians think the state should stay out of healthcare. One of these is Stonewall, a libertarian who is also a moderator. I enter the thread at page 13 with the following post:

/quote]/QUOTE=Strategist;10466900]:rofl:

And how many people do you imagine would repair computers for fun? Or fix annoying bugs in their released computer game as soon as possible if it wasnt to get paid for it? Or for that matter, how many people would volunteer to bake breads all day if not to get paid for it? Etc, etc, etc?

People volunteer only after they have been selfish enough to ensure their own well-being, and even then most do only a limited amount, while being selfish enough to choose more comfort over more volunteering for the rest of their amount.

People choosing their self interest is what makes people work to do that with which they will benefit society most, as decided by society as a whole through the laws of supply and demand.


The idea that the world would be better without selfishness is utopian. A world without selfishness cannot exist as long as the human species in its current form exists.[/QUOTE]



"People are selfish and motivated by self-interest" says the libertarian and builds his society on this presumtion. "Selfishness is virtuous" he says to himself as he walks down the street.

Suddenly, a stranger approaches him. He is wearing dirty clothes and is as thin as a skeleton. "Please, good sir, I am hungry, can you give me some food?"

The libertarian, as a good rational utility maximizer, ponders the situation but can not see how that would work to his self-interest. He had bought two sandwiches earlier in the day but due to a terrible misallocation of resources found that one was enough. He now held the one remaining in his hand. He had, however, decided he would try to sell it to a co-worker at his place of work, perhaps at a somewhat reduced price, to try to recoup at least some of the money spent.

The next day he walk down the same street, careful not to step into any big holes (this was a road not owned by anyone, built before libertarian supremacy, so it was not maintained; the Libertarian had concluded he would save money by using it and anyway he did not much mind the stench of the poor people). Suddenly he finds something lying in his way, so that he must step over it. It seemed to be the dead body of the beggar from the day before.

Despite his rationality, a vague sense of guilt found its way into his mind. He tried to rationalize it away, but he still felt in a way responsbile for the death of that man. "If I had not taken the free road, as a good utility maximizer, I would not have had that encounter; I am still a better Libertarian than the people using the normal road, who misallocate their resources by needlessly spending their money." It did not quite work.

But then he thought to himself: "People choosing their self interest is what makes people work to do that with which they will benefit society most, as decided by society as a whole through the laws of supply and demand." And then he continued this line of thought to it's conclusion: "And since that man did not have money, according the laws of supply and demand, which is society's way of regulating these things, there existed no demand for my sandwich." He suddently felt better about himself. The Libertarian was glad to live in a free society.

The following day he again found himself walking down a street (this time however, he had paid to use the other one; while lying awake trying to sleep he had concluded that time was money and using a road where he needn't step over holes and dead people meant he could walk faster and perhaps that wasn't such an irrational allocation of resources after all).

Making his way down the well-maintained road, another stranger approaches him. He was wearing good clothes, much like our Libertarian himself, who felt a certain kinship with this person who he perceived to be a fellow utility maximizer. "Could you please tell me the way to the train station?" the stranger asked.

"Certainly" our Libertarian replied, and pointed in the wrong way, towards the Post office. "It is that way. And on your way there, about half-way, you will be passing a Post office. Could you please post this envelope for me?"

"Certainly" the stranger replied and they both go on their ways. The libertarian is happy to have maximised his self-interest by saving himself the time it would have taken him to go to the post office.

The next day he walks down the same street and his eyes are attracted by something lying on the sidewalk. "Is the road not cleaned?" he asks himself. He had, after all, paid to use it. He looks closer and sees that it is his envelope, lying on the ground, close to where he met the stranger. The stamps had been removed.

"That bastard!" the libertarian exclaims. "He must have taken the stamps for himself." The libertarian is overwhelmed by a sense of moral indignation, for while it was rational for the stranger to take the stamps, it violated his right to property, stemming from his right to life. And those the only rights acknowledged by libertarians (of course they are negative rights and not positive rights so the beggar's right to life only extended to that no one could take it from him by force, just as the beggar did not have a right to take a sandwich by force).

Distraught by this betrayal of the principles of libertarian society, he sits down on the curb and shakes his head. "I guess my view of human nature was correct after all. People are selfish."

The end.



Now, this is only a fairy tale, a product of my imagination. There is no place quite like this on earth, not even in the "land of the free", and you may very well say that you are a rational utility maximizer who does not believe in such things as fairy tales. Now, I know not all libertarians can say such a thing. I happend to know that at least some libertarians do believe in fairy tales and believe people should do good because the fairy tales say that they will be rewarded after death if they do, and will be punished after death if they do bad, meaning that it is rational to do good, as long as you accept that fairy tale as being true. In theory, I assume it is possible to imagine a society like that where people are good to each other as long as everyone believes in the fairy tales. But libertarians of this variety should think twice before rejecting my fairy tale; another person can reject your fairy tale with the same ease.

How libertarians who do not believe in these fairy tales expect good to be done, I don't know. I have never heard a good explanation, so I have come to the conclusion that they probably don't care about good being done to others and only care about themselves.[/quote]



Later, I am warned for this (on account of religion being banned as a subject):



/quote]On a priori rights.

If we are to assume there is such a thing as a priori rights, and these do not come from the sky fairy, we must seek their source in human nature and human DNA as shaped by human evolution. For a rational person, this is the only possible source of these rights.

Let us then assume a typical band of hunter-gatherers, before the invention of government.

Presumably, these hunter-gatherers have a primitive understanding of possession. If someone from another tribe comes to steal their things, they will defend them. But their possession is not individually linked. If Gorm is starving, Throg does not say "this meat is mine, I will not share it". Because then the other tribesmembers would quite right to kick Throg out of their tribe for being a selfish bastard.

So, if you say there is an a priori right to property, I can just as well say there is an a priori right to expect others to share.

---

And this is why I don't like libertarianism. They construct an entire intellecual edifice on phony premises. It is akin to religion.[/quote]




The last part I posted in a separate post instead of editing the main post; it is obvious from context it is the same argument taking place over two posts. There was also another post of mine arguing against a priori rights directly before the "main" post. Formally, I was warned for the second post.

On page 27, I bow out of the thread. Anyone able to view the thread will be able to see that there was no serious libertarian opposition remaining.



/QUOTE=PatMaster;10484819]Well, I've been waiting a few hours for an answer from Abdul, but it's 04:40 in Sweden, so I will go to bed. I don't much think I will return here in the morning.

When I entered this thread it was a 13-page libertarian cacophony, as are the nature of these threads on this forum. I am happy to see I have been able to contribute to changing the climate of the debate, even if at the cost of a warning that will never expire.

I was the one who had everything to gain from an ordered and civilized debate. But I soon found my arguments to be banned. I do not question the decision to warn me, despite the possible conflict of interest (a concept I assume to be familiar) and despite the fact that I found the warning in my inbox at 19:04, at a heated point in the conversation, for a post I had made a page back. I know Paradox is not in the business of free inquiry. I know that, because I was here when they said "if you don't like the rules, you can leave". So I left.

Well, I returned. And I'm reminded why I left: I just don't like things standing in my way. So I'll leave again. And I hope I've demonstrated through action that not all people who like the welfare state like authoritarianism.

But I hope the libertarians on this forum will remember this thread when I'm gone. And perhaps keep in mind that they have a competitive advantage here. An intervention in the free market.

Bye.

(Oh, and if anyone wants me to answer something, they can PM me, and we can continue the argument somewhere else. I will not be accused for intellectual cowardice and running from an argument. Unless I get banned for this post, I'll get an e-mail notification, I believe.)[/QUOTE]



I soon received an e-mail notification I had received a PM. I had received a warning in PM, which was also written out in the thread.



/QUOTE=Stonewall;10484912]/color=orange]I log in from my vacation to check my PM notifications and this is what I find?  Who banned you from making your arguments?  I can see no record of anyone doing any such thing and my brief research into the matter leads me to conclude that no such ban was ever given to you.

What I do see is that in the past few pages you alluded, multiple times, to a warning you received for telling religious people that their beliefs were akin to sky fairies and that religious people's beliefs were built on phony premises. 

You were warned for that conduct because it constitutes trolling, which violates form rules, just as someone would have been warned for trolling if they had told you that you were a heathen atheist and you were going to hell to suffer from eternal damnation because of your unGodly ways.  Truth is not a defense to a warning for trolling.

Now, all of a sudden, almost 2 days having passed since the warning and you having made more than a dozen posts, many of which were in a discussion with me, who had warned you, you have just now decided that you will bow out by claiming that your arguments have been stifled by the moderators and accusing us, in particular me, of prohibiting you from engaging in the discussion? 

Sorry, friend, I won't permit that kind of deliberate dishonesty to perpetuate itself here.  I am doing this publicly because you have called me out publicly and I won't allow you to spread lies without setting the record straight. 

Please accept this piece of professional advice from an attorney to someone who aspires to be one.  Your credibility is sacrosanct.  When you say something, people need to be able to believe that you are telling the truth, regardless as to whether they agree with that truth or whether it is a truth they want to hear.  Your conduct here has been incredibly disappointing because you threw your credibility away perpetuating a lie designed to justify your decision to stop participating in the discussion by claiming that you have been a victim of moderator oppression. 

If you wanted to stop, you could have just stopped, or made a post that you have gotten tired of the discussion because its just repeating itself or any number of other things to let people know that you haven't conceded the argument, but that you are no longer participating.  There is nothing wrong with that. 

This is an internet forum.  Posting is supposed to be fun or enjoyable on some level.  If its no fun, there isn't much point in posting.  Nobody would have thought any less of you (or anyone else for that matter) for quitting a discussion.  Everyone quits at some point.  I hadn't planned on getting re-involved in this thread when I get back to my house on Saturday evening. 

Back to the issue at hand, if you have a problem with a moderator's acts, send a PM to an admin and they will investigate.  As for the rest, you will be receiving an other warning via PM in a few moments warning you for publicly arguing with or commenting on a moderator's decision, namely your lies regarding my warning to you.

You are free to leave if you so choose.  You are also welcome to stay and continue participating in whatever discussion you choose to participate in.  What you are not welcome to do is violate forum rules and then question, comment on or deliberately spread lies about the resultant warnings.  As a member since 2001, you know this as well as anyone.

EDIT: Just so that there is no confusion, there is nothing in this post that should be seen by you as asking for or otherwise permitting a public response from you.  Such a response, no matter how brief, minor or innocuous will result in your further being warned for publicly commenting on or arguing a moderator decision.  Any response from you should come via PM to myself or an administrator if you feel that my prior warning or this one that you about to receive are wrong or otherwise in error. [/color][/QUOTE]



Since I could not reply in the thread, I replied in PM to Stonewall.



/quote=Private message from me to Stonewall]I have no complaints as to your decision to warn me again. Fair enough. I probably deserved it. But since you call me a liar, I would like to explain myself. It was never my intention to troll for reaction; what I said about religion was said in the context of a very heated argument with much reaction and counter-reaction from both sides as it was already, and if my intention was to provoke reaction I would surely be in the business of knocking in open doors. Throughout the thread I made it my business to preserve civility and I several times admitted I had misunderstood or that I was wrong (at least one time to you directly) which is something few people do on the internet. Why would I swallow my pride and admit to be mistaken and wrong so many times if my intention was not to argue in earnest?

I maintain that I was not trolling and that my argumentation against religion was made in earnest. While I was hard in my argumentation, I was hard against ideas, and never against individuals. Since that is not allowed against religion, which is a group of ideas enjoying special status, I am banned to make those arguments, and that is not a lie to say. And banning certain subjects does distort the free market of ideas, to the benefit of some and the detriment of others. I do not leave because of your moderation, I leave because of the rules, that I know not to be written by you. I have absolutely no hard feelings against you what-so-ever.

Any suspicions I have as regards to moderation, I would not have had had I been warned by someone else than the very moderator opposing me in heated discussion. That just doesn't feel quite right to me.

You are quite right to say credibility is sacrosanct. I feel the same way. Since you publicly called me a liar, and forbade me from defending myself, I would like to ask of you the favour that you publish this message. It is easy for you to say no, as no one will know you refused me this, but I am honest when I say I consider you a man of honour (and when I said I believed you to be a good person, I meant that too) so I can do nothing else than appeal to your honour and your belief in the sacrosanctity of credibility.

If you believe anything in what I write to be in error, and do not want to publish it for that reason, I will be glad to discuss it with you in private in the hope of working something out we can both agree to.[/quote]



Stonewall will return from his vacation today or tomorrow, depending on time zone. We shall see what he replies.

I know Stonewall comes here as well, sometimes. His last post here is on Dec 2nd, i.e. a few days ago. Lest he again accuse me of lying, in writing to him that my private message to him was private, and no one would know what decision he would make: Well I can say nothing else than this: I changed my mind.



I know this is a very right-wing forum, and there are many libertarians here. But please try to view this objectively.

tl;dr.

O.M.G!!!!!!!!11111111122222333


That orange text made my eyes bleed and none of this makes much sense.  But I hope you win.

Breaking News!  EUOT is full of wankers!

I'll edit and change it from BB-code quotes to "'s

BB-code quotes make the text smaller which also makes it harder to read


Edit: Or I kill the quotes by changing the initial [ to /

You guys are smart enough to understand what it means anyway and it stops the text from becoming smaller

does this stonewall always write in bright orange? :bleeding:

I couldn't read any post he/she/it made if that's the case. glad I never bothered with that forum, sounds like a horrid place.

Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on December 05, 2009, 12:12:44 AM
does this stonewall always write in bright orange? :bleeding:

I couldn't read any post he/she/it made if that's the case. glad I never bothered with that forum, sounds like a horrid place.

Only when handing out warnings or banning, I believe. The background color on EUOT is dark blue, and here it is light blue, so there is more contrast and the color is easier to read on EUOT.

Fine, I'll kill the color-tag too.

Thanks for sharing that with us.

Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2009, 12:23:34 AM
Thanks for sharing that with us.

Sarcastic or serious?

Take a wild guess.

Well, if you're not interested in reading it and forming an opinion, you can just say nothing at all. No one's holding a gun to your head, nor did I ask for your your opinion in particular. I'm sure my post will be of interest to at least someone, while yours had no potential to be anything more than mere waste of bandwidth. So if you're not interested, you can fuck off. Thanks.


edit: And the same goes for anyone else who's not interested. You can fuck off too.

Meh, EUOT was always bad, but it took a further downturn when they even managed to chase someone as relaxed as UglyDuck away.

Oh, and who's willing to bet it will be primarily libertarians who will suddenly be "not interested" in internet drama?

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 12:31:21 AM
Well, if you're not interested in reading it and forming an opinion, you can just say nothing at all.

Indeed I can. Alernatively, I can mock you for thinking that your sad, sad tale of EUOT discrimination will be fascinating to us all.

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No one's holding a gun to your head, nor did I ask for your your opinion in particular.

Nor did I ask for your permission to give my opinion, nor will anyone be asking for you permission in the future. Welcome to Languish.

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I'm sure my post will be of interest to at least someone, while yours had no potential to be anything more than mere waste of bandwidth.

Bandwidth is free, and almost impossible to really waste. There is plenty enough, even for wasting, if in fact that is what people wish to do.

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So if you're not interested, you can fuck off. Thanks.

I will keep that in mind. Your welcome.

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edit: And the same goes for anyone else who's not interested. You can fuck off too.

I am sure they all will do just that. Thanks again for sharing that compelling tale of injustice.

I direct you to my post directly above yours.

 :(

i feel for you, miglia, though i did not read your story of prosecution, i share in my heart all that you may hope to obtain with this petty post on a forum that seems to have disconnected itself from the paradox forums many years ago. good luck, soul brother!  :hug:

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 12:43:20 AM
I direct you to my post directly above yours.

I don't see how it relates.

Too much text, flashbacks to school, no fucking way I'm reading all that.

P.S. Have no fear no mod around here uses gay ass colors when modjucating!

What the hell was the point of posting all that?

Quote from: Razgovory on December 05, 2009, 12:45:54 AM
What the hell was the point of posting all that?

We aren't quite sure yet, but I think it might have something to do with librarians.

Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2009, 12:49:43 AM

Quote from: Razgovory on December 05, 2009, 12:45:54 AM
What the hell was the point of posting all that?

We aren't quite sure yet, but I think it might have something to do with librarians.

I had wondered what fahdizzle had been up to.

my EU OT drama was soo much more interesting.

OK fuck that first post. You can go back to it if you need additional context.


Summary:


First I am warned for this (on account of religion being a banned subject):


/quote]On a priori rights.

If we are to assume there is such a thing as a priori rights, and these do not come from the sky fairy, we must seek their source in human nature and human DNA as shaped by human evolution. For a rational person, this is the only possible source of these rights.

Let us then assume a typical band of hunter-gatherers, before the invention of government.

Presumably, these hunter-gatherers have a primitive understanding of possession. If someone from another tribe comes to steal their things, they will defend them. But their possession is not individually linked. If Gorm is starving, Throg does not say "this meat is mine, I will not share it". Because then the other tribesmembers would quite right to kick Throg out of their tribe for being a selfish bastard.

So, if you say there is an a priori right to property, I can just as well say there is an a priori right to expect others to share.

---

And this is why I don't like libertarianism. They construct an entire intellecual edifice on phony premises. It is akin to religion.[/quote]



Later, I bow out of the discussion, and say I will leave EUOT because I found my arguments to be banned. Stonewall warn me again, saying he will not allow such dishonesty to perpetuate itself on this forum, and call me a liar, because I was never banned from making argumentation. Which is not true: Religion, as a subject, is banned.

He calls me a liar, while talking about the "sacrisanctity of credibility", and then forbids me from posting in the thread again. I.e. he accuse me of being a liar, and will not allow me to defend myself against the accusation. So I PM him, asking to have my explanation posted to thread. I do not ask to have the warning removed: I only ask to be able to say why I am not a liar.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 12:52:36 AM
OK fuck that first post. You can go back to it if you need additional context.


Summary:


First I am warned for this (on account of religion being a banned subject):


/quote]On a priori rights.

If we are to assume there is such a thing as a priori rights, and these do not come from the sky fairy, we must seek their source in human nature and human DNA as shaped by human evolution. For a rational person, this is the only possible source of these rights.

Let us then assume a typical band of hunter-gatherers, before the invention of government.

Presumably, these hunter-gatherers have a primitive understanding of possession. If someone from another tribe comes to steal their things, they will defend them. But their possession is not individually linked. If Gorm is starving, Throg does not say "this meat is mine, I will not share it". Because then the other tribesmembers would quite right to kick Throg out of their tribe for being a selfish bastard.

So, if you say there is an a priori right to property, I can just as well say there is an a priori right to expect others to share.

---

And this is why I don't like libertarianism. They construct an entire intellecual edifice on phony premises. It is akin to religion.



Later, I bow out of the discussion, and say I will leave EUOT because I found my arguments to be banned. Stonewall warn me again, saying he will not allow such dishonesty to perpetuate itself on this forum, and call me a liar, because I was never banned from making argumentation. Which is not true: Religion, as a subject, is banned.

He calls me a liar, while talking about the "sacrisanctity of credibility", and then forbids me from posting in the thread again. I.e. he accuse me of being a liar, and will not allow me to defend myself against the accusation. So I PM him, asking to have my explanation posted to thread. I do not ask to have the warning removed: I only ask to be able to say why I am not a liar.

how can one fuck a post? i am so confused  :weep:

Who the fuck are you? :huh:

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 12:55:22 AM
Who the fuck are you? :huh:

..not

you..?  :huh:

He is my sock.

Or I am his.

:huh:

We are all Yi.

Quote from: Syt on December 05, 2009, 12:59:33 AM
We are all Yi.

this seems reasonable :yes:

Quote from: Syt on December 05, 2009, 12:33:08 AM
Meh, EUOT was always bad, but it took a further downturn when they even managed to chase someone as relaxed as UglyDuck away.

Was he really?  Wasn't he the Yezhov of EUOT?

If you made it this far on EUOT you deserve all the scorn that can be heaped on you during the duration of this thread.

You suck, etc.

I skipped through most of what is probably irrelevant bullshit but I was quickly able to surmise that you had it coming to you, and not for something inventive like calling for the annihilation of the boers, or wishing death upon Paradox employees, no.. for bitching, mouthing off and trolling the religious.

Sad.

Very sad.

You, sir, are a sad cunt.

You know what has really slipped?

The quality of posting that gets you kicked of EUOT.

From "bag of dead fetuses" to...this.

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 01:06:05 AM
If you made it this far on EUOT you deserve all the scorn that can be heaped on you during the duration of this thread.

You suck, etc.

I skipped through most of what is probably irrelevant bullshit but I was quickly able to surmise that you had it coming to you, and not for something inventive like calling for the annihilation of the boers, or wishing death upon Paradox employees, no.. for bitching, mouthing off and trolling the religious.

Sad.

Very sad.

You, sir, are a sad cunt.

1) I left EUOT during the exodus. This is what I wrote to Stonewall:

QuoteI was the one who had everything to gain from an ordered and civilized debate. But I soon found my arguments to be banned. I do not question the decision to warn me, despite the possible conflict of interest (a concept I assume to be familiar) and despite the fact that I found the warning in my inbox at 19:04, at a heated point in the conversation, for a post I had made a page back. I know Paradox is not in the business of free inquiry. I know that, because I was here when they said "if you don't like the rules, you can leave". So I left.

Well, I returned. And I'm reminded why I left: I just don't like things standing in my way. So I'll leave again. And I hope I've demonstrated through action that not all people who like the welfare state like authoritarianism.

2) I was not banned. I left of my free will.

i never posted at euot. does this put me at the level of the jews, circa 1942?  :Embarrass:

Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2009, 01:10:05 AM
You know what has really slipped?

The quality of posting that gets you kicked of EUOT.

From "bag of dead fetuses" to...this.

Balderdash.

EUOT has always sucked.

"things were better in the old days" is a fanciful myth.

It's always sucked.

And yet it brought people together who stick together 6 years after being kicked off it.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 01:12:47 AM

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 01:06:05 AM
If you made it this far on EUOT you deserve all the scorn that can be heaped on you during the duration of this thread.

You suck, etc.

I skipped through most of what is probably irrelevant bullshit but I was quickly able to surmise that you had it coming to you, and not for something inventive like calling for the annihilation of the boers, or wishing death upon Paradox employees, no.. for bitching, mouthing off and trolling the religious.

Sad.

Very sad.

You, sir, are a sad cunt.

1) I left EUOT during the exodus. This is what I wrote to Stonewall:

QuoteI was the one who had everything to gain from an ordered and civilized debate. But I soon found my arguments to be banned. I do not question the decision to warn me, despite the possible conflict of interest (a concept I assume to be familiar) and despite the fact that I found the warning in my inbox at 19:04, at a heated point in the conversation, for a post I had made a page back. I know Paradox is not in the business of free inquiry. I know that, because I was here when they said "if you don't like the rules, you can leave". So I left.

Well, I returned. And I'm reminded why I left: I just don't like things standing in my way. So I'll leave again. And I hope I've demonstrated through action that not all people who like the welfare state like authoritarianism.

2) I was not banned. I left of my free will.

Well. Stonewall is a fucking Cunt.

Aren't you Stonewall?

Is Stonewall still here anyway?

Do you figure he will ban me on the Paradox forum for calling him a cunt here?

I don't think telling the truth, that is to say that Stonewall is a cunt, should be grounds for banning.

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 01:17:08 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 01:12:47 AM

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 01:06:05 AM
If you made it this far on EUOT you deserve all the scorn that can be heaped on you during the duration of this thread.

You suck, etc.

I skipped through most of what is probably irrelevant bullshit but I was quickly able to surmise that you had it coming to you, and not for something inventive like calling for the annihilation of the boers, or wishing death upon Paradox employees, no.. for bitching, mouthing off and trolling the religious.

Sad.

Very sad.

You, sir, are a sad cunt.

1) I left EUOT during the exodus. This is what I wrote to Stonewall:

QuoteI was the one who had everything to gain from an ordered and civilized debate. But I soon found my arguments to be banned. I do not question the decision to warn me, despite the possible conflict of interest (a concept I assume to be familiar) and despite the fact that I found the warning in my inbox at 19:04, at a heated point in the conversation, for a post I had made a page back. I know Paradox is not in the business of free inquiry. I know that, because I was here when they said "if you don't like the rules, you can leave". So I left.

Well, I returned. And I'm reminded why I left: I just don't like things standing in my way. So I'll leave again. And I hope I've demonstrated through action that not all people who like the welfare state like authoritarianism.

2) I was not banned. I left of my free will.

Well. Stonewall is a fucking Cunt.

Aren't you Stonewall?

Is Stonewall still here anyway?

Do you figure he will ban me on the Paradox forum for calling him a cunt here?

I don't think telling the truth, that is to say that Stonewall is a cunt, should be grounds for banning.

Stonewall posted here as late as a few days ago. Not sure what all the else is supposed to mean :huh:

And I don't consider Stonewall to be a cunt. I left because of the rules, not his moderation. He didn't write the rules.

EDIT: And considering the rules, he was quite right to warn me. That's not what this is about. What this is about is him calling me a liar, and not allowing me to defend myself.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 01:18:25 AM

Stonewall posted here as late as a few days ago. Not sure what all the else is supposed to mean :huh:

I think you should shut your whore mouth, is what I think.

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 01:21:17 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 01:18:25 AM

Stonewall posted here as late as a few days ago. Not sure what all the else is supposed to mean :huh:

I think you should shut your whore mouth, is what I think.

Why don't you go post on Flashback with the rest of your ilk?

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 01:23:18 AM

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 01:21:17 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 01:18:25 AM

Stonewall posted here as late as a few days ago. Not sure what all the else is supposed to mean :huh:

I think you should shut your whore mouth, is what I think.

Why don't you go post on Flashback with the rest of your ilk?

What? There is a support group on Flashback for all the people who think you deserve a thorough daily beating by cross-dressing sumo-wrestlers?

I'll be damned.

Your mouth is big. Would it be as big in real life?

I have a hard time taking you seriously. You're a joke. A caricature. A failure in life, who blames his failure on "the other".

What is it you're a salesman for again? Doors? Kitchens? I don't remember. How do you like your life, anyway, Slargos? You sound bitter.

Seriously, is Slargos on drugs or something? I mean wtf.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 01:34:52 AM
How do you like your life, anyway, Slargos? You sound bitter.

Not enough sunlight.

I actually feel bad for being so mean to him. The more I think about it, I can't imagine he knew what he was saying.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 01:41:14 AM
Seriously, is Slargos on drugs or something? I mean wtf.

you sound bitter

slargos is a slargos, a creature beyond means of comprehension. be he the embodiment of hate, the for-seer of truth and the future, a combination of both, or a salesman who plays his role on the forum and happens to be drunk at this point in time? the world may never know

I don't think I sound bitter; if I do, well, I'm not.

And yes, you're right. He's probably drunk.

He's logged off now. I hope he gets some sleep.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 01:50:38 AM
I don't think I sound bitter; if I do, well, I'm not.

And yes, you're right. He's probably drunk.

i quoted the last of a string of posts, but i mostly referenced this:

QuoteYour mouth is big. Would it be as big in real life?

I have a hard time taking you seriously. You're a joke. A caricature. A failure in life, who blames his failure on "the other".

harsh.  :(

Yes, I feel bad about it. I like Slargos as a poster, even if I don't agree with his politics. I wouldn't have said it if I hadn't been ganged up on in this thread and then repeatedly provoked by him. I'd be willing to apologize.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 02:01:43 AM
I'd be willing to apologize.

I accept. Just don't let it happen again.

Quote from: Berkut on December 05, 2009, 02:07:42 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 02:01:43 AM
I'd be willing to apologize.

I accept. Just don't let it happen again.

I wasn't talking to you, so I don't know why you felt it was directed at you. What are you trying to say here? That similar things can be said of you?

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 12:41:05 AM
Oh, and who's willing to bet it will be primarily libertarians who will suddenly be "not interested" in internet drama?

Nothing to do with politics, it's because euot went full retard a long time ago. 

Quote from: DisturbedPervert on December 05, 2009, 02:32:25 AM
Nothing to do with politics, it's because euot went full retard a long time ago. 

Well, yes, I don't go there very often, so the decision to leave was easy to make.



Judas Iscariot:

I left on my own free will. I wrote a summary which I believe is on page 2.

This is not about Stonewall punishing me: it is about him calling me a liar, and not allowing me to respond.

"Please accept this piece of professional advice from an attorney to someone who aspires to be one.  Your credibility is sacrosanct.  When you say something, people need to be able to believe that you are telling the truth, regardless as to whether they agree with that truth or whether it is a truth they want to hear.  Your conduct here has been incredibly disappointing because you threw your credibility away perpetuating a lie designed to justify your decision to stop participating in the discussion by claiming that you have been a victim of moderator oppression. "

And at the end he added this:

"EDIT: Just so that there is no confusion, there is nothing in this post that should be seen by you as asking for or otherwise permitting a public response from you.  Such a response, no matter how brief, minor or innocuous will result in your further being warned for publicly commenting on or arguing a moderator decision. [...]"





If you go back to the first page you can read all of what he says: First he says he warned me for my arguments against religion. Then he say I was never banned from making my argments, and he call me a liar for saying that I was!



Edit: Looks like JI removed the post I was responding to.

then.. to summarize this thread: someone called you a liar, and you did not like that. you sent him a pm but felt that because he might just occasionally check this board, you would post an entire topic to directly call his attention, perhaps hoping that he apologize. you are asking a lawyer to apologize. again: you want a lawyer to admit he was wrong.

I don't think it's fair to call me a liar and not allow me to respond. Especially not after talking high about the sacrosanctity of credibility etc. Of course, I would very much appreciate an apology, and I think that would be fair, but I realize that's not going to happend. He doesn't have to admit to anything. I only ask that my side of it can be presented.


Edit: And what do you mean "an entire topic"? Have you seen the usual standard of the topics people create on this forum?  ;)

I am confused. Are you a Communist or not?

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 03:46:31 AM
I am confused. Are you a Communist or not?

he believes in health care for all, so i can only assume that yes, he is a full blown communist  :(

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 03:46:31 AM
I am confused. Are you a Communist or not?

I'm not. I know you're not banned on EUOT so if you're curious, you can read the thread (I link to it in my initial post) where I make my politics quite clear several times.

I have to say that chewing one's ass in public as a moderator, and then saying that you can't reply to that in public, is poor form.  The fact that the moderator in question is not impartial, and has a reputation for being highly deranged on occasion, is also not right.  Oh, well, there is a reason a bunch of us are here and not there.

I think we should ban active EU OT moderators on Languish. That's the only way to be sure.  :D

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 03:49:59 AM

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 03:46:31 AM
I am confused. Are you a Communist or not?

I'm not. I know you're not banned on EUOT so if you're curious, you can read the thread (I link to it in my initial post) where I make my politics quite clear several times.

Now you're not a Communist? Tell me, did you borrow John Kerry's flip-flops?

Dunno, who's asking? What are you, a librarytarian?

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:04:37 AM
Dunno, who's asking? What are you, a librarytarian?

As long as poor people are kept out of sight I am reasonably content.

You are both Swedes, PatMaster. Any political catfight between you and TheBrain will be a cripplefight by definition.  :rolleyes:

Says the Pole.

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 04:06:32 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:04:37 AM
Dunno, who's asking? What are you, a librarytarian?

As long as poor people are kept out of sight I am reasonably content.

You're honest, I like that.

Well, I daresay Poland has a broader political spectrum than Sweden.

So what? That just means you have more idiots.

BTW, just curious, why is that libertarians seem to pollute the Internet in proportion that is way, way higher than in general population?  And I'm not talking about pseudo-libertarians who are really Republicans, I'm talking about real libertarians that are into Austrian economics and nonsense like that.  Are those types attracted to the Internet, or does the Internet infect people who are highly vulnerable to be taken in by some cult?

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:10:06 AM
You're honest, I like that.

What I pee out of my penis is the truth. It burns like fire.

DGuller: Towards the end of the Healthcare thread, the subject came to be about explanations for why people become libertarians. I found it very interesting and you might too.

Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2009, 04:17:05 AM
Austrian economics

I like my Austrian wine and  beer, Wiener Schnitzel and Sacher cake, thankyouverymuch.  :mad:

Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2009, 04:17:05 AM
BTW, just curious, why is that libertarians seem to pollute the Internet in proportion that is way, way higher than in general population?  And I'm not talking about pseudo-libertarians who are really Republicans, I'm talking about real libertarians that are into Austrian economics and nonsense like that.  Are those types attracted to the Internet, or does the Internet infect people who are highly vulnerable to be taken in by some cult?

It's just an internet fantasy. You have probably noticed that teen lesbians also "pollute the Internet in proportion that is way, way higher than in general population".

Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2009, 04:17:05 AM
BTW, just curious, why is that libertarians seem to pollute the Internet in proportion that is way, way higher than in general population?  And I'm not talking about pseudo-libertarians who are really Republicans, I'm talking about real libertarians that are into Austrian economics and nonsense like that.  Are those types attracted to the Internet, or does the Internet infect people who are highly vulnerable to be taken in by some cult?

One explanation I think is that it provides easy answers. "Remove the government" is their answer to everything. It's for people who prefer to be precisely wrong, rather than vaguely right. "Precisely wrong" often win over "vaguely right" on the internet.

Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2009, 04:17:05 AM
BTW, just curious, why is that libertarians seem to pollute the Internet in proportion that is way, way higher than in general population?  And I'm not talking about pseudo-libertarians who are really Republicans, I'm talking about real libertarians that are into Austrian economics and nonsense like that.  Are those types attracted to the Internet, or does the Internet infect people who are highly vulnerable to be taken in by some cult?

I think it has to do with isolation and illusion of self-sufficiency it brings.  There's a ton of writers who are Libertarians for the same reason.

Quote from: Syt on December 05, 2009, 04:19:38 AM

Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2009, 04:17:05 AM
Austrian economics

I like my Austrian wine and  beer, Wiener Schnitzel and Sacher cake, thankyouverymuch.  :mad:

It's a shame that a culture that produce such fine things also produced von Mises and Hitler.

Crap, I just found out that von Mises was born in Lemberg.  Ugh.  At least it was 100 years before me.

Syt, do you know who Otto Bauer was? While we're on the subject of Austrians.

Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2009, 04:30:07 AM
Crap, I just found out that von Mises was born in Lemberg.  Ugh.  At least it was 100 years before me.

:nelson @Lvivians

I did like:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcache.virtualtourist.com%2F1%2F4095703-Ukrainian_Beer-Lviv.jpg&hash=dc9ecdbf050de6748d0bd2cd2e1074733ea8d007)
, though.

(Guy at the dorm was from Lviv and often brought beer from home ... in 1 liter plastic bottles. :lol: )

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:30:34 AM
Syt, do you know who Otto Bauer was? While we're on the subject of Austrians.

Marxist dude, AFAIK. There's the Otto-Bauer-Gasse off the main shopping street (Mariahilfer Straße). Not too well versed in 1920s/30s Austrian history. I'm better with Hanseatic/Holsteinian history. :PFunny thing about Vienna: some places are named after noted antisemites (Dr Karl Lueger, former mayor) and lefts alike (Friedrich Engels Square, Karl-Marx-Hof [public funded housing from the 1930s]).

Between the wars Vienna acquired the nick "Red Vienna" and there's been social democrats ruling the city since, oh, almost always.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa299%2FSlayhem%2FAHpainting-1.jpg&hash=77da8edabdebdf5d92aa4d0e3de59828ed686f86)

:wub:

Yes, home of great artists. :lol:

This is Titanic's cover this month (following in the wake of Germany's national team goalkeeper committing suicide over depressions):
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"Loved but lonely: Depression - when celebrities are crushed by performance pressure"

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 12:41:05 AM
Oh, and who's willing to bet it will be primarily libertarians who will suddenly be "not interested" in internet drama?

Your anti-religiousness is welcomed. But you are still infected with the pinko socialism of EUOT. However, your journey to become a libertarian has started.

Btw, the year ticket for Kunsthistorisches Museum Vienna (which includes access to the treasure chamber which hosts the Habsburg and HRE crown jewels) has gone down from 55 EUR to 29 EUR for next year, thanks to some sponsorships they acquired. I'll get me one when I go to see the special exhibition about Charles the Bold of Burgundy. :w00t:

Regarding libertarian presence on the Internet: no, they are not disproportionally represented, it is just that in RL, the less enlightened crowd will take you for a fool for assuming that you don't need people selfishly ruling over you in the name of unselfishness, and more often than not, it does not worth the effort to try and convince them otherwise.

Quote from: Syt on December 05, 2009, 04:34:24 AM

Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2009, 04:30:07 AM
Crap, I just found out that von Mises was born in Lemberg.  Ugh.  At least it was 100 years before me.

:nelson @Lvivians

I did like:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcache.virtualtourist.com%2F1%2F4095703-Ukrainian_Beer-Lviv.jpg&hash=dc9ecdbf050de6748d0bd2cd2e1074733ea8d007)
, though.

(Guy at the dorm was from Lviv and often brought beer from home ... in 1 liter plastic bottles. :lol: )

I drank it once in the pub attached to the brewery where it was made.  It was good.  I was only 10, though, so I may not have developed discerning taste yet.

Quote from: Tamas on December 05, 2009, 04:52:37 AM
Regarding libertarian presence on the Internet: no, they are not disproportionally represented, it is just that in RL, the less enlightened crowd will take you for a fool for assuming that you don't need people selfishly ruling over you in the name of unselfishness, and more often than not, it does not worth the effort to try and convince them otherwise.

I don't know, wouldn't libertarians show up better in the elections if that were the case?  Put up any political poll on the Internet, and Ron Paul would win by a landslide.  The libertarians I'm talking about aren't exactly the kinds concerned about "wasting their vote".

Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2009, 04:17:05 AM
BTW, just curious, why is that libertarians seem to pollute the Internet in proportion that is way, way higher than in general population?  And I'm not talking about pseudo-libertarians who are really Republicans, I'm talking about real libertarians that are into Austrian economics and nonsense like that.  Are those types attracted to the Internet, or does the Internet infect people who are highly vulnerable to be taken in by some cult?

It's a little bit of both, plus it's an ideology that lends itself great to trolling so many people who are not extreme in real life adopt it for the purpose of internet flamewars. It's like Aspergers, Byzantine Fanboism or Nietzsche. It has things like "antisocial", "solipsist", "special", "immature" and "not-thought-through" written all over it. I think internet is a medium in its "teen years", culturally speaking, and sympathies of its users reflect it (even if the said users may be way past being teenagers in real life).

Well I am willing to concede this to Marty, however the counter-crowd is no better either. Look at just Marty's post: libertarianism does not equal anarcho-capitalism, so don't act like it does.

Quote from: Martinus on December 05, 2009, 05:20:43 AM
I think internet is a medium in its "teen years", culturally speaking, and sympathies of its users reflect it (even if the said users may be way past being teenagers in real life).

Ok this is just plain stupid though. You may be in your teen years culturally, but the Internet certainly isn't, and most its users by plain numbers are people who use it to check e-mails, Facebook, and MSN, and not to read rich lawyers and Swedes defend the merits of socialism.

Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2009, 03:51:37 AM
I have to say that chewing one's ass in public as a moderator, and then saying that you can't reply to that in public, is poor form.  The fact that the moderator in question is not impartial, and has a reputation for being highly deranged on occasion, is also not right.  Oh, well, there is a reason a bunch of us are here and not there.

This.

I've been treated in the same fashion by other mods on the EU fora aswell, so it's not just Stonewall.

Very infuriating to be attacked and not allowed to defend yourself, even pathetically like Miglia does. But I think you have to realize that it's their playground and like sullen little children they don't want any backtalking when they make a decree.

Edit: And I just noticed Mig's PatMaster which puts everything into perspective. I'm sorry, Mig, it's not right of me to go ass-to-mouth on you like that and if I'd known who I was talking to I would've worded myself differently. I try not to prey on the weak and the infirm. You people are fucked enough as is.  :cry:

Stonewall's a EUOT mod?

Wow, I thought that being a defence lawyer was low, but an EUOT mod?  That's just terrible.  Especially these days.

Quote from: Syt on December 05, 2009, 04:46:45 AM
Yes, home of great artists. :lol:

This is Titanic's cover this month (following in the wake of Germany's national team goalkeeper committing suicide over depressions):

Well, I hope they have fun in prison.

I get a monthly ban from the EUOT followed invariably by an admin that deletes some more infraction points from my account in order to allow me to get banned again after a week...  :lmfao: Pat, as an old member, you should know that the new Paradox is aiming for a younger crowd. Let things go as planned and die with honour...

Quote from: Neil on December 05, 2009, 08:05:49 AM

Quote from: Syt on December 05, 2009, 04:46:45 AM
Yes, home of great artists. :lol:

This is Titanic's cover this month (following in the wake of Germany's national team goalkeeper committing suicide over depressions):

Well, I hope they have fun in prison.

They have a cover with Hitler every couple months. No one cares.

Wait, is this thread important or what?

Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2009, 10:16:43 AM
Wait, is this thread important or what?

I'm still trying to decide to post in it or not.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 10:17:29 AM

Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2009, 10:16:43 AM
Wait, is this thread important or what?

I'm still trying to decide to post in it or not.

Me too, needs more anti-marty references first I think.

I still haven't figured out who the good guys and the bad guys are.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 10:19:42 AM
I still haven't figured out who the good guys and the bad guys are.

Good:

Me
Peedy

Bad:

Mart

Where do I fall on the scale? :unsure:

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 10:19:42 AM
I still haven't figured out who the good guys and the bad guys are.

Good:
Superman
Chuck Norris
The guy at the deli who sold Ludwig von Mises his schnitzels

Bad:
Eugen vom Bohm-Bawerk
Thomas Jonathan Jackson

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 05, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
Good:
Superman
Chuck Norris
The guy at the deli who sold Ludwig von Mises his schnitzels

Bad:
Eugen vom Bohm-Bawerk
Thomas Jonathan Jackson

* discussion comes screeching to a halt *

A subtle civil war hijack. bravo. BRAVO.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 12:52:36 AM
. Which is not true: Religion, as a subject, is banned.

This is untrue, FWIW. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz133%2Fsbr32%2Fsmilies%2Fshrug.gif&hash=192f9aca171f53ae2576f66866352c133c7ea785)

Quote from: sbr on December 05, 2009, 01:33:43 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 12:52:36 AM
. Which is not true: Religion, as a subject, is banned.

This is untrue, FWIW. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz133%2Fsbr32%2Fsmilies%2Fshrug.gif&hash=192f9aca171f53ae2576f66866352c133c7ea785)

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Is religion mentioned anywhere? If so, I can't see it. There's a list of banned subjects. Religion is not included.


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No discussion of masturbation? :lol:

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Though now that I think of it, maybe what it means is that "and this is why religion as a subject was banned not too long ago", but no longer is. But if religion isn't banned, which I thought, in which case I would have found a warning to be fair, then why the hell was I warned? It's not like I *was* trolling. As I write in my PM to Stonewall, I wrote that in the middle of a very heated discussion with much reaction and counter-reaction as it was already, and if I was in the business of trolling for reaction I'd very much be in the business of knocking in open doors.

Though I guess it's not very nice to religious people to liken them to libertarians

New Topic -- "Masturbation:  what *are* its results?"   :huh:

Drakken is an asshole too?  That's a shame.  He always seemed alright, even if the seduction stuff was a bit creepy.

Meh. Lots of ideologies tend to become religions to their adherents, not just libertarians. Environmentalists, commies, and especially objectivists are consistently guilty of it.

That said, Stonewall never really struck me as such, though I'm not sure the comments in question were directed at him at the time.

I wonder if miglia expected thunderous applause for his anti OT exploits? We were exiles once, but now we are our OWN nation. The Languish nation.

We even have our own pantheon. Every day people on this forum offer me their praises, and of course, Neils ass is probably drenched from being kissed so much.

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
I wonder if miglia expected thunderous applause for his anti OT exploits? We were exiles once, but now we are our OWN nation. The Languish nation.

That, and he is whining about being banned over religion. Big whoop.

Quote from: Syt on December 05, 2009, 04:40:37 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:30:34 AM
Syt, do you know who Otto Bauer was? While we're on the subject of Austrians.

Marxist dude, AFAIK. There's the Otto-Bauer-Gasse off the main shopping street (Mariahilfer Straße). Not too well versed in 1920s/30s Austrian history. I'm better with Hanseatic/Holsteinian history. :PFunny thing about Vienna: some places are named after noted antisemites (Dr Karl Lueger, former mayor) and lefts alike (Friedrich Engels Square, Karl-Marx-Hof [public funded housing from the 1930s]).

Between the wars Vienna acquired the nick "Red Vienna" and there's been social democrats ruling the city since, oh, almost always.

Hehe yeah, the reason I'm asking is that he's my grandmothers grandfather. She had to escape Austria as a child along with her family in the 30s because she was related to him. He had been foreign minister for a while after WW1 and was one of the leaders of the social democrats. While he's one of the founders of austromarxism, that's not a variety of marxism akin to communism but more like social democracy (and has had a great influence on social democracy, to my understanding); and since Sweden was social democratic it was a natural place to escape to. Which is why I have a hard time to take the trolling of Nazi collaborating Sweden seriously: I know for a fact the Swedish government saw nazis as their ideological enemies and welcomed the ideological enemies of nazism with open arms. Because that's the reason my father was born, and why I was born.

My grandmother's father, who was a lawyer, and her uncle, who was a judge, stayed behind in Austria because their knowledge of the law would be useless in a new country with a different legal system. Her father was killed by the Gestapo and her uncle died in concentration camp.

My grandmother very much wanted me to learn german and took me to Vienna several times when I was a child. She showed me the city and told me a lot of stories about the Vienna from her childhood, and of the Vienna after the war when she returned to work there as a volunteer for the red cross. Like how after the war they had to put up big security fences at the towers of the Stephansdom because so many people commited suicide by jumping from it after the war was lost. Or how before the war she was quite adamant, when asked "What does the peasant (Bauer = peasant)?" that "He writes books" and they called from the kindergarten to talk to her parents about it and they were afraid they'd figure out they were related to him. Despite the best efforts of my grandmother I never quite learned german though, even though she also took me to stay with a family in southern germany three summers. I always thought the germans should learn english.

She also created a small bank book in my name while telling me about Austrian banking secrecy. It's one of those where you have to go to bank in person to retrieve the money. She said that having something left behind the city, I would return later in life. I think I would have returned to Vienna anyway. I've always had special bond to the city.

Funny you should mention Otto-Bauer-Gasse. We were able to borrow an apartment on Otto-Bauer-Gasse, actually, from someone in the social democratic party, where we could stay. I think the Social Democratic Party HQ is on the same street.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 03:14:12 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
I wonder if miglia expected thunderous applause for his anti OT exploits? We were exiles once, but now we are our OWN nation. The Languish nation.

That, and he is whining about being banned over religion. Big whoop.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? I wasn't banned. I left of my free will. I've said that like 5 times now, you fool.

Yes, I can't read retard.

Also, I think I have found a new friend, and I'll post in all his threads.  :)

Quote from: Martinus on December 05, 2009, 03:59:30 AM
I think we should ban active EU OT moderators on Languish. That's the only way to be sure.  :D

:mad:

Well, you have to understand it gets fucking annoying when people don't read and jump to all kinds of conclusions again and again in the thread even though you explain what happened again and again. 

You can troll my threads all you want, I'll just ignore it as I do with most of your other useless posts. They are rarely worthy of note.

Quote from: Neil on December 05, 2009, 08:03:43 AM
Stonewall's a EUOT mod?

Wow, I thought that being a defence lawyer was low, but an EUOT mod?  That's just terrible.  Especially these days.

:weep:

Reminds me of Ryoken.  Welcome back.   :)

Quote from: Neil on December 05, 2009, 03:03:54 PM
Drakken is an asshole too?  That's a shame.  He always seemed alright, even if the seduction stuff was a bit creepy.

I learned to be an asshole thanks to Languish.  :cool:

Quote from: Habbaku on December 05, 2009, 03:32:17 PM
Reminds me of Ryoken.  Welcome back.   :)

You just don't understand his agony.

Quote from: Habbaku on December 05, 2009, 03:32:17 PM
Reminds me of Ryoken.  Welcome back.   :)

There are many people here who can testify to my identity.


Edit: And what agony? I left of my free will. I could have stayed if I wanted to; I don't want to post there.

And Pat, even though I am an EUOT mod don't include me in the brawl.

I decided not to touch that thread with a 12 feet pole unless very necessary (like obvious trolls and shit). I have nothing to do whatsoever with that. My reading on it stopped with Johan's OP.

No, Drakken, I don't include you at all. You're cool.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 03:34:48 PM



Edit: And what agony? I left of my free will. I could have stayed if I wanted to; I don't want to post there.

I thought you was ignoring me? I'm inside you. You can't resist the ED.

Delicious.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 03:41:29 PM
You can't resist the ED.

Millions and millions of dollars in pharmaceutical research have certainly tried.   :(

I'll ignore you and talk to you as I see fit.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 03:44:20 PM
I'll ignore you and talk to you as I see fit.

Uh-huh. You do that sweethart.

Bets on how long the first tantrum takes?

WTF? Now he's hating on Mr. Ed. What's up with that?

Ed Anger: :thumbsup:


The Brain: To clarify: My default state is to be friendly to all. I like to think of myself as a nice guy. I always assume good faith in my fellow posters, and reply in kind. But if people go after me, I go after them. And I'm always honest in my criticism. When I said posts produced by the schtick of Ed Anger are usually worthless, I meant it. I usually don't know if they're supposed to be funny or ironic in a self-deprecating way. I usually just find them worthless and a waste of my time to read. Maybe it's just me, and maybe they do contribute to the forum for other people here. I don't know. It's not like I would have brought it up if he hadn't said he'd troll all my threads.


Habbaku: There will be no tantrum. I will calmly respond in kind.  :)

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
Ed Anger: :thumbsup:


The Brain: To clarify: My default state is to be friendly to all. I like to think of myself as a nice guy. I always assume good faith in my fellow posters, and reply in kind. But if people go after me, I go after them. And I'm always honest in my criticism. When I said posts produced by the schtick of Ed Anger are usually worthless, I meant it. I usually don't know if they're supposed to be funny or ironic in a self-deprecating way. I usually just find them worthless and a waste of my time to read. Maybe it's just me, and maybe they do contribute to the forum for other people here. I don't know. It's not like I would have brought it up if he hadn't said he'd troll all my threads.


Habbaku: There will be no tantrum. I will calmly respond in kind.  :)

You're a fucking douche bag, is what you are, and you probably deserve all the scorn you will receive until you run weeping to your grandmother.

Right. :lol:

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
I wonder if miglia expected thunderous applause for his anti OT exploits? We were exiles once, but now we are our OWN nation. The Languish nation.

We even have our own pantheon. Every day people on this forum offer me their praises, and of course, Neils ass is probably drenched from being kissed so much.

I don't think they're saying that *they* want to "fuck you, Jaron."

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
The Brain: To clarify: My default state is to be friendly to all. I like to think of myself as a nice guy. I always assume good faith in my fellow posters, and reply in kind. But if people go after me, I go after them. And I'm always honest in my criticism. When I said posts produced by the schtick of Ed Anger are usually worthless, I meant it. I usually don't know if they're supposed to be funny or ironic in a self-deprecating way. I usually just find them worthless and a waste of my time to read. Maybe it's just me, and maybe they do contribute to the forum for other people here. I don't know. It's not like I would have brought it up if he hadn't said he'd troll all my threads.

I have a huge mancrush on Ed. I get upset when people pick on him. I know his sensitive side and I don't want him to get hurt.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
Ed Anger: :thumbsup:


The Brain: To clarify: My default state is to be friendly to all. I like to think of myself as a nice guy. I always assume good faith in my fellow posters, and reply in kind. But if people go after me, I go after them. And I'm always honest in my criticism. When I said posts produced by the schtick of Ed Anger are usually worthless, I meant it. I usually don't know if they're supposed to be funny or ironic in a self-deprecating way. I usually just find them worthless and a waste of my time to read. Maybe it's just me, and maybe they do contribute to the forum for other people here. I don't know. It's not like I would have brought it up if he hadn't said he'd troll all my threads.


Habbaku: There will be no tantrum. I will calmly respond in kind.  :)

You did freak out on me once, before you figured out I wasn't being a dick. Or that I wasn't siding with the libertarians in that thread, one or the other.

:P

Well, I like you The Brain, so since it's you who's asking, I won't be mean to Ed Anger again, as long as he's not mean to me. :) The same goes for everyone else here. I'd prefer to be friends with everyone. But if you give me shit, don't come whining like a fucking pussy if I give you shit back.

Well I thought you were calling me a fascist. Once I realized that's not what you meant, I let it go.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:05:33 PM
Well, I like you The Brain, so since it's you who's asking, I won't be mean to Ed Anger again, as long as he's not mean to me. :) The same goes for everyone else here. I'd prefer to be friends with everyone. But if you give me shit, don't come whining like a fucking pussy if I give you shit back.

You're the only whining pussy in this thread to date.

miglia you sound like an android. "My default state" ?


*sets niglia back to his factory settings*

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:05:33 PM
Well, I like you The Brain, so since it's you who's asking, I won't be mean to Ed Anger again, as long as he's not mean to me. :) The same goes for everyone else here. I'd prefer to be friends with everyone. But if you give me shit, don't come whining like a fucking pussy if I give you shit back.

My advíce to you is to find a poster with no friends. Then beat him to a bloody pulp in a couple of threads. This will make people see that you are a little crazy and dangerous but respectful of the right people.

Remember, a poster with no friends.

Am I whining? I don't think so. You're the one considering me a "fucking douche bag" etc, I assume because you thought you could say whatever you want to me and I'd just take it. Well, I didn't. Shut the fuck up and quit whining.

I even said I was willing to apologize, because I assumed you didn't mean what you said. But if you're so drunk you don't know what you're saying, you should stay the fuck off the forum or take the consequences. I was honest when I said I liked you as a poster. I meant what I said but I wouldn't have sad it had you not attacked me first, again and again. It was only after your third or fourth attack I retaliated. Now quit whining and take it like a fucking man.

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 04:13:09 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:05:33 PM
Well, I like you The Brain, so since it's you who's asking, I won't be mean to Ed Anger again, as long as he's not mean to me. :) The same goes for everyone else here. I'd prefer to be friends with everyone. But if you give me shit, don't come whining like a fucking pussy if I give you shit back.

My advíce to you is to find a poster with no friends. Then beat him to a bloody pulp in a couple of threads. This will make people see that you are a little crazy and dangerous but respectful of the right people.

Remember, a poster with no friends.

Yes, I know it's all about siding with your friends and not about being objective. Which is why it's so easy for me to not take it very seriously.

Edit: And I don't see how that's being an android. It's just being above it all.

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 04:03:05 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
The Brain: To clarify: My default state is to be friendly to all. I like to think of myself as a nice guy. I always assume good faith in my fellow posters, and reply in kind. But if people go after me, I go after them. And I'm always honest in my criticism. When I said posts produced by the schtick of Ed Anger are usually worthless, I meant it. I usually don't know if they're supposed to be funny or ironic in a self-deprecating way. I usually just find them worthless and a waste of my time to read. Maybe it's just me, and maybe they do contribute to the forum for other people here. I don't know. It's not like I would have brought it up if he hadn't said he'd troll all my threads.

I have a huge mancrush on Ed. I get upset when people pick on him. I know his sensitive side and I don't want him to get hurt.

We need to go to IKEA and pick out our furniture. :wub:

This thread sucks.

Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2009, 04:16:06 PM
This thread sucks.

Yes, I bet you're disappointed the new kid didn't just bow down and take whatever shit is thrown at him. I'm sorry I ruined your forum experience.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:13:25 PM
Am I whining? I don't think so. You're the one considering me a "fucking douche bag" etc, I assume because you thought you could say whatever you want to me and I'd just take it. Well, I didn't. Shut the fuck up and quit whining.

I even said I was willing to apologize, because I assumed you didn't mean what you said. But if you're so drunk you don't know what you're saying, you should stay the fuck off the forum or take the consequences. I was honest when I said I liked you as a poster. I meant what I said but I wouldn't have sad it had you not attacked me first, again and again. It was only after your third or fourth attack I retaliated. Now quit whining and take it like a fucking man.

I wasn't drunk. I meant every word I said you piece of shit.

You're the kind of asshole who likes pretending they're not an asshole but really, you're an asshole and a whiney asshole to boot.

"Hey, I'm just being honest."

No, you're just being a prick.

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 04:13:09 PM
My advíce to you is to find a poster with no friends. Then beat him to a bloody pulp in a couple of threads. This will make people see that you are a little crazy and dangerous but respectful of the right people.

Remember, a poster with no friends.

And if anybody offers you a "free" cigarette or a candy bar, DON'T ACCEPT IT.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:18:30 PM

Quote from: PDH on December 05, 2009, 04:16:06 PM
This thread sucks.

Yes, I bet you're disappointed the new kid didn't just bow down and take whatever shit is thrown at him. I'm sorry I ruined your forum experience.

I was mostly talking about the lack of boob pictures.

Well, you certainly read as if you were drunk. Now I feel kinda silly in saying I was willing to apologize.

I mean, what did you expect? That I'd just take it?

Let this be a lesson to all: If you think you can be a bully because you have safety in numbers, you sometimes get what's coming to you.


Now I wish people would just quit fucking whining.

Quote from: Tamas on December 05, 2009, 06:49:01 AM

Quote from: Martinus on December 05, 2009, 05:20:43 AM
I think internet is a medium in its "teen years", culturally speaking, and sympathies of its users reflect it (even if the said users may be way past being teenagers in real life).

Ok this is just plain stupid though. You may be in your teen years culturally, but the Internet certainly isn't, and most its users by plain numbers are people who use it to check e-mails, Facebook, and MSN, and not to read rich lawyers and Swedes defend the merits of socialism.

What I meant is that the fad for libertarianism is just another expression of the Internet "teen spirit". Just like Facebook or MSN.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:22:44 PM
Well, you certainly read as if you were drunk. Now I feel kinda silly in saying I was willing to apologize.

I mean, what did you expect? That I'd just take it?

I don't expect your kind to fully internalize just how ridiculous they are, but I can't help but keep fighting the good fight.

It's like throwing trash in a bin instead of on the ground. I know the next guy passing by is just going to litter, but I like to know I've made my part in keeping the street clean.

But if you feel silly, at least I've accomplished something.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 04:15:55 PM

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 04:03:05 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 03:56:20 PM
The Brain: To clarify: My default state is to be friendly to all. I like to think of myself as a nice guy. I always assume good faith in my fellow posters, and reply in kind. But if people go after me, I go after them. And I'm always honest in my criticism. When I said posts produced by the schtick of Ed Anger are usually worthless, I meant it. I usually don't know if they're supposed to be funny or ironic in a self-deprecating way. I usually just find them worthless and a waste of my time to read. Maybe it's just me, and maybe they do contribute to the forum for other people here. I don't know. It's not like I would have brought it up if he hadn't said he'd troll all my threads.

I have a huge mancrush on Ed. I get upset when people pick on him. I know his sensitive side and I don't want him to get hurt.

We need to go to IKEA and pick out our furniture. :wub:

And have some meatbälls. :mmm:

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 02:28:53 PM
No discussion of masturbation? :lol:

grallon would be happy to learn the rules do not prohibit posting pictures of boys under 16. :P

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 04:28:14 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:22:44 PM
Well, you certainly read as if you were drunk. Now I feel kinda silly in saying I was willing to apologize.

I mean, what did you expect? That I'd just take it?

I don't expect your kind to fully internalize just how ridiculous they are, but I can't help but keep fighting the good fight.

It's like throwing trash in a bin instead of on the ground. I know the next guy passing by is just going to litter, but I like to know I've made my part in keeping the street clean.

But if you feel silly, at least I've accomplished something.

What the fuck do you know about me anyway? You're just jumping to conclusions about me, thinking I am one of the politically correct flower-power hippies you hate. Well, I hate those people too. And for your information, I see immigration as reducing societal cohesion and a possible long-term threat to the welfare state. I wish we had less of it.

Now quit whining.

Wait, did I read this right:

QuoteRule #4: No pics or linking to girls under sixteen.

So Berkut or fahdiz posting pictures of their daughters would be banned for pornography?  :lmfao:

I like EU OT. It's like an idiot's dream.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:32:31 PM

What the fuck do you know about me anyway? You're just jumping to conclusions about me, thinking I am one of the politically correct flower-power hippies you hate. Well, I hate those people too. And for your information, I see immigration as reducing societal cohesion and a possible long-term threat to the welfare state. I wish we had less of it.

Now quit whining.

And yet you cower behind the facade of little goodie two-shoes you chicken shit conformist.

I know all I need to know about you, you nail-scraping.

Actually he told me he's not a Conformist.

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
Actually he told me he's not a Conformist.

Him and all the other goth kids.  :rolleyes:

I'm willing to state my opinions to anyone who asks. I don't need to hide my opinion from anyone.

We haven't had a good old lynching like this in a good long while.

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 04:45:01 PM
We haven't had a good old lynching like this in a good long while.

Like I said in the other thread. You fucking wetbacks have gotten lazy and now I have to do your job for you.

This place needs more hardworking beaners.

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 04:47:39 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 04:45:01 PM
We haven't had a good old lynching like this in a good long while.

Like I said in the other thread. You fucking wetbacks have gotten lazy and now I have to do your job for you.

This place needs more hardworking beaners.

Oh poor white man has to do his own work. *croc tearz*

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 04:48:36 PM


Oh poor white man has to do his own work. *croc tearz*

:weep:

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 04:47:39 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 04:45:01 PM
We haven't had a good old lynching like this in a good long while.

Like I said in the other thread. You fucking wetbacks have gotten lazy and now I have to do your job for you.

This place needs more hardworking beaners.

I don't think you're doing a very good job, Slargos  :lol:

Quote from: Martinus on December 05, 2009, 04:27:31 PM
What I meant is that the fad for libertarianism is just another expression of the Internet "teen spirit". Just like Facebook or MSN.

There is no fad for libertarianism.  You just like to think of yourself as an intellectual.

And who's the conformist anyway? You're the one thinking you can bully people all you want because you have safety in numbers, and can hide under the rediculous informal hierarchies of this forum. And then you come whining like a woman when you get shit thrown back at you.

I don't give a shit about your fucking hierarchies. I'm my own man, I don't need safety in numbers.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:49:20 PM

I don't think you're doing a very good job, Slargos  :lol:

I wasn't talking to you, mr self-conscious "waah I'm afraid of what people will think of me so I put on an act to make everyone love me because if they don't how can I?"

Why don't you mozy on back to EU OT and cry about how you were treated at languish.

I'm sure they'll take you back, furry little cunt that you are.

Am I putting on an act? I don't know, am I? Do I need to hide under som schtick due to my insecurity or am I just being myself?

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 10:47:26 AM
* discussion comes screeching to a halt *

If only.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 04:58:38 PM
Am I putting on an act? I don't know, am I? Do I need to hide under som schtick due to my insecurity or am I just being myself?

"Look at me, I'm a unique little snow flake and I am honest in all things. Behold my sparkling blue eyes and quivering lip."

Do you really think that is convincing to anyone, Slargos? I can be dishonest if I want to. But why should I when the truth is more efficient?

Anyway, I'm not interested in continuing this debate with you, Slargos. If you want you can claim victory.  :)

Quote from: Ayn Rand on December 05, 2009, 04:55:33 PM
I don't give a shit about your fucking hierarchies. I'm my own man, I don't need safety in numbers.

:P

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 05, 2009, 05:05:03 PM

Quote from: Ayn Rand on December 05, 2009, 04:55:33 PM
I don't give a shit about your fucking hierarchies. I'm my own man, I don't need safety in numbers.

:P

Well, they're the one creating grups and flocking en-masse on the internet :p I have no problem coming here on my own.

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 05, 2009, 04:59:24 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 10:47:26 AM
* discussion comes screeching to a halt *

If only.

Sorry.  I was bored. :blush:

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Anyway, I'm not interested in continuing this debate with you, Slargos. If you want you can claim victory.  :)

That's right kid. All the way back to grandma.

:)

*pats Slargos on the head*

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 05:07:16 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Anyway, I'm not interested in continuing this debate with you, Slargos. If you want you can claim victory.  :)

That's right kid. All the way back to grandma.

What's with Swedes and the grandma thing?   :huh:  Here it would be exclusively running back to mama.  Grandma doesn't factor into it all.

Not sure. I wouldn't say "grandma" either.

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 05, 2009, 05:09:28 PM

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 05:07:16 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
Anyway, I'm not interested in continuing this debate with you, Slargos. If you want you can claim victory.  :)

That's right kid. All the way back to grandma.

What's with Swedes and the grandma thing?   :huh:  Here it would be exclusively running back to mama.  Grandma doesn't factor into it all.

I don't know. I'm out of practice.

I miss Sapura.

I miss him too.

Friends again, Slargos? :)

We were never friends to begin with, Pat.

Maybe not. Call it cessation of hostilities, then.

return to your default states!

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 05:22:45 PM
Maybe not. Call it cessation of hostilities, then.

You call this hostile? I was just being honest.

So was I. Cessation of honesty in regard to each other, then.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 05:27:29 PM
So was I. Cessation of honesty in regard to each other, then.

Are you coming on to me? Because if you are, I should let you know beforehand that I don't put out until the third date.

That's fine. :)

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
return to your default states!

:D

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 05:35:30 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
return to your default states!

:D

Yes, if I don't care about your precious forum hierarchies, the only explanation is I'm an android. Either that or I just don't give a fuck.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 05:41:06 PM

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 05:35:30 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
return to your default states!

:D

Yes, if I don't care about your precious forum hierarchies, the only explanation is I'm an android. Either that or I just don't give a fuck.

Easy there, tough guy. You don't want to mess with us.

Yeah whatever. If I'm a pariah on this forum for not bowing to the hierarchies here, I'm sure I can find some other forum. Or just don't come here very often, as is what I've done until now. I've gone many years rarely posting at any forum at all. It's not something I *need*. I can get all my needs fulfilled in real life I want to.

But it's ironic so many here call themselves libertarians and talk high of liberty. But words are cheap, I suppose.

Oh, and the down-side of being intelllectuals motivated by hierarchy and not free inquiry is that once the hierarchies have been worked out there's not so much to talk about. Especially when they've been worked out a long time ago.

I wouldn't say there are hierarchies so much as groups and roles, with a few exceptions; but, to use an internet adage, YMMV.

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 05, 2009, 06:02:30 PM
I wouldn't say there are hierarchies so much as groups and roles, with a few exceptions; but, to use an internet adage, YMMV.

Look around.


Languish is dying.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 05:41:06 PM

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 05:35:30 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
return to your default states!

:D

Yes, if I don't care about your precious forum hierarchies, the only explanation is I'm an android. Either that or I just don't give a fuck.

That's the problem with you Hanke assholes. You just don't give a damn.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:06:21 PM

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 05, 2009, 06:02:30 PM
I wouldn't say there are hierarchies so much as groups and roles, with a few exceptions; but, to use an internet adage, YMMV.

Look around.


Languish is dying.

:lol: :rolleyes: :lol:

Interesting posters leave every year. How often do you get new ones? Quality is on a constant decline. Why deny it?

Anyway, I don't care. If you don't want me here, and make an effort to get me to leave, then maybe I will.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:09:53 PM
Interesting posters leave every year. How often do you get new ones? Quality is on a constant decline. Why deny it?

Anyway, I don't care. If you don't want me here, and make an effort to get me to leave, then maybe I will.

Who is this "you" that doesn't want you here? A whole mod, or Slargos, being a dick as usual, all by himself?

Granted, Languish is not for the thin skinned, but it rewards greatly the ones that survive the ordeal of the first couple of weeks.

And I agree that we're slowly but steadily loosing quality posters (Norg, Gupta, Camper, Vinraith, Hamilcar, fahdiz, bmollson, Rocky Horror, Havard...) for a time, and it's a pity.

I don't see any quality there larchie :rolleyes:

And i have no idea who doesn't want  PM/Miglia here, but he sure seems touchy.

Quote from: The Larch on December 05, 2009, 06:19:22 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:09:53 PM
Interesting posters leave every year. How often do you get new ones? Quality is on a constant decline. Why deny it?

Anyway, I don't care. If you don't want me here, and make an effort to get me to leave, then maybe I will.

Who is this "you" that doesn't want you here? A whole mod, or Slargos, being a dick as usual, all by himself?

Granted, Languish is not for the thin skinned, but it rewards greatly the ones that survive the ordeal of the first couple of weeks.

And I agree that we're slowly but steadily loosing quality posters (Norg, Gupta, Camper, Vinraith, Hamilcar, fahdiz, bmollson, Rocky Horror, Havard...) for a time, and it's a pity.

Am I quality.. ? :)

you are creme de la creme.

And Ed Anger, who would troll all my threads. And The Brain, who let me know I had no friends here and I would be lynched over several threads. Etc, etc. And this is just what people said, and doesn't take into account the general attitude and behaviour.

All this because I don't accept being ganged up upon. I came here expecting it, but I didn't expect people to whine when I retaliate :huh: It is worthy of note, however, that the stronger posters stayed away despite this whining, and didn't come to help them. Because the stronger posters know these hierarchies are made-up, and are nothing but the rule of the strong over the weak. It's only the weaker posters who think they can take them seriously and use them as cover and protection to say anything.

Yes, Jaron, in your own special way  :)

Miglia, it's Ed who is just grumpy old man with young trophy wife he keeps impregnated, Slargos :lmfao: and the Brain who is just weird since he's Swedish and all that.

Do what the rest of us do and ignore them. :P

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:28:44 PM
And Ed Anger, who would troll all my threads. And The Brain, who let me know I had no friends here and I would be lynched over several threads. Etc, etc. And this is just what people said, and doesn't take into account the general attitude and behaviour.

All this because I don't accept being ganged up upon. I came here expecting it, but I didn't expect people to whine when I retaliate :huh: It is worthy of note, however, that the stronger posters stayed away despite this whining, and didn't come to help them. Because the stronger posters know these hierarchies are made-up, and are nothing but the rule of the strong over the weak. It's only the weaker posters who think they can take them seriously and use them as cover and protection to say anything.

It's a love colder than death, but it's a love nonetheless.   :)

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Miglia, it's Ed who is just grumpy old man with young trophy wife he keeps impregnated, Slargos :lmfao: and the Brain who is just weird since he's Swedish and all that.

Do what the rest of us do and ignore them. :P

:mad: :( :cry:

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Miglia, it's Ed who is just grumpy old man with young trophy wife he keeps impregnated, Slargos :lmfao: and the Brain who is just weird since he's Swedish and all that.

Do what the rest of us do and ignore them. :P

Okay, I'll try.  :lol:

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 06:32:19 PM

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Miglia, it's Ed who is just grumpy old man with young trophy wife he keeps impregnated, Slargos :lmfao: and the Brain who is just weird since he's Swedish and all that.

Do what the rest of us do and ignore them. :P

:mad: :( :cry:

You make remarks of my wetbackness and you think i won't respond sir, harumph!

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Miglia, it's Ed who is just grumpy old man with young trophy wife he keeps impregnated, Slargos :lmfao: and the Brain who is just weird since he's Swedish and all that.

Do what the rest of us do and ignore them. :P

I prefer "eccentric old man".

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:28:44 PM
And Ed Anger, who would troll all my threads. And The Brain, who let me know I had no friends here and I would be lynched over several threads. Etc, etc. And this is just what people said, and doesn't take into account the general attitude and behaviour.

All this because I don't accept being ganged up upon. I came here expecting it, but I didn't expect people to whine when I retaliate :huh: It is worthy of note, however, that the stronger posters stayed away despite this whining, and didn't come to help them. Because the stronger posters know these hierarchies are made-up, and are nothing but the rule of the strong over the weak. It's only the weaker posters who think they can take them seriously and use them as cover and protection to say anything.

You make the huge, huge, and I can't stress it enough, HUGE mistake of taking some, or most, people over here as being actually serious and meaning 100% what they say.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 06:33:48 PM

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Miglia, it's Ed who is just grumpy old man with young trophy wife he keeps impregnated, Slargos :lmfao: and the Brain who is just weird since he's Swedish and all that.

Do what the rest of us do and ignore them. :P

I prefer "eccentric old man".

Noted el jefe

Btw, Pat, this martyr bullshit has been done before. "Waah, I'm being put upon."

You're not special.

You're just another square head.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:28:44 PM
And The Brain, who let me know I had no friends here and I would be lynched over several threads.

Am I too subtle? I was merely giving advice on how to avoid abuse, the poster with no friends is not you but the person you should use to reach your goals. Plus I suppose you haven't seen 25th Hour, which incidentally is on TV4 right now and a great movie that you should see anyway.

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 06:33:11 PM

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 06:32:19 PM

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Miglia, it's Ed who is just grumpy old man with young trophy wife he keeps impregnated, Slargos :lmfao: and the Brain who is just weird since he's Swedish and all that.

Do what the rest of us do and ignore them. :P

:mad: :( :cry:

You make remarks of my wetbackness and you think i won't respond sir, harumph!

Well.

I was also noting how well you've assimilated, you lazy motherfucker.  :P

When he says with no friends he is talking about himself Miglia.

Quote from: The Larch on December 05, 2009, 06:34:01 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:28:44 PM
And Ed Anger, who would troll all my threads. And The Brain, who let me know I had no friends here and I would be lynched over several threads. Etc, etc. And this is just what people said, and doesn't take into account the general attitude and behaviour.

All this because I don't accept being ganged up upon. I came here expecting it, but I didn't expect people to whine when I retaliate :huh: It is worthy of note, however, that the stronger posters stayed away despite this whining, and didn't come to help them. Because the stronger posters know these hierarchies are made-up, and are nothing but the rule of the strong over the weak. It's only the weaker posters who think they can take them seriously and use them as cover and protection to say anything.

You make the huge, huge, and I can't stress it enough, HUGE mistake of taking some, or most, people over here as being actually serious and meaning 100% what they say.

You calling me a laid back bullshitter? :mad:

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 06:36:02 PM
When he says with no friends he is talking about himself Miglia.

I have friends. But sometimes I wonder if I need them with enemies like you.

Quote from: The Larch on December 05, 2009, 06:34:01 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:28:44 PM
And Ed Anger, who would troll all my threads. And The Brain, who let me know I had no friends here and I would be lynched over several threads. Etc, etc. And this is just what people said, and doesn't take into account the general attitude and behaviour.

All this because I don't accept being ganged up upon. I came here expecting it, but I didn't expect people to whine when I retaliate :huh: It is worthy of note, however, that the stronger posters stayed away despite this whining, and didn't come to help them. Because the stronger posters know these hierarchies are made-up, and are nothing but the rule of the strong over the weak. It's only the weaker posters who think they can take them seriously and use them as cover and protection to say anything.

You make the huge, huge, and I can't stress it enough, HUGE mistake of taking some, or most, people over here as being actually serious and meaning 100% what they say.

Well, I was serious, and when people fuck with me when I'm serious, I'm serious back.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:39:03 PM

Quote from: The Larch on December 05, 2009, 06:34:01 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:28:44 PM
And Ed Anger, who would troll all my threads. And The Brain, who let me know I had no friends here and I would be lynched over several threads. Etc, etc. And this is just what people said, and doesn't take into account the general attitude and behaviour.

All this because I don't accept being ganged up upon. I came here expecting it, but I didn't expect people to whine when I retaliate :huh: It is worthy of note, however, that the stronger posters stayed away despite this whining, and didn't come to help them. Because the stronger posters know these hierarchies are made-up, and are nothing but the rule of the strong over the weak. It's only the weaker posters who think they can take them seriously and use them as cover and protection to say anything.

You make the huge, huge, and I can't stress it enough, HUGE mistake of taking some, or most, people over here as being actually serious and meaning 100% what they say.

Well, I was serious, and when people fuck with me when I'm serious, I'm serious back.

"Don't make him serious. You wouldn't like him when he's serious."

Okay, The Brain. I'll go see that movie. I'm out of here.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:40:37 PM
Okay, The Brain. I'll go see that movie. I'm out of here.

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

New avatar, to celebrate my victory.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:28:44 PM
And Ed Anger, who would troll all my threads. And The Brain, who let me know I had no friends here and I would be lynched over several threads. Etc, etc. And this is just what people said, and doesn't take into account the general attitude and behaviour.

All this because I don't accept being ganged up upon. I came here expecting it, but I didn't expect people to whine when I retaliate :huh: It is worthy of note, however, that the stronger posters stayed away despite this whining, and didn't come to help them. Because the stronger posters know these hierarchies are made-up, and are nothing but the rule of the strong over the weak. It's only the weaker posters who think they can take them seriously and use them as cover and protection to say anything.

That's the way this place is.  To make it in here, you have to develop thick skin, and a very flexible asshole.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 06:49:55 PM
New avatar, to celebrate my victory.

Taking sole credit for a team effort are we? Have you started getting into Soccer?  :rolleyes:

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 06:53:04 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 06:49:55 PM
New avatar, to celebrate my victory.

Taking sole credit for a team effort are we? Have you started getting into Soccer?  :rolleyes:

team effort my ass. I kicked it off, and you fuckers ran on my field.

I'm the Bob Knight of Languish.

Quote from: The Brain on December 05, 2009, 06:37:51 PM

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 06:36:02 PM
When he says with no friends he is talking about himself Miglia.

I have friends. But sometimes I wonder if I need them with enemies like you.

:wub:

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 06:28:44 PM
And Ed Anger, who would troll all my threads. And The Brain, who let me know I had no friends here and I would be lynched over several threads. Etc, etc. And this is just what people said, and doesn't take into account the general attitude and behaviour.

All this because I don't accept being ganged up upon. I came here expecting it, but I didn't expect people to whine when I retaliate :huh: It is worthy of note, however, that the stronger posters stayed away despite this whining, and didn't come to help them. Because the stronger posters know these hierarchies are made-up, and are nothing but the rule of the strong over the weak. It's only the weaker posters who think they can take them seriously and use them as cover and protection to say anything.

So, when you say something it is retaliation but when someone else says something it is whining?  :huh:

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 01:30:30 AM
Your mouth is big. Would it be as big in real life?

I have a hard time taking you seriously. You're a joke. A caricature. A failure in life, who blames his failure on "the other".

:lol:

I bet he wouldn't say that to your face.

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 06:53:04 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 06:49:55 PM
New avatar, to celebrate my victory.

Taking sole credit for a team effort are we? Have you started getting into Soccer?  :rolleyes:

He has plenty of experience from claiming credit every time a thread goes slightly off-topic.  :lol:

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 05, 2009, 07:58:08 PM

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 06:53:04 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 06:49:55 PM
New avatar, to celebrate my victory.

Taking sole credit for a team effort are we? Have you started getting into Soccer?  :rolleyes:

He has plenty of experience from claiming credit every time a thread goes slightly off-topic.  :lol:

Damn right. MINE!

I'm the real fucking champion of this thread.

Quote from: Jaron on December 05, 2009, 08:04:48 PM
I'm the real fucking champion of this thread.

USURPER!

I read the first two out of the 5 pages of this thread, and finally got tired. Now I will ignore all I read.
I want to be an asshole too. You all suck, including the Who The Fuck Are You? euroweenie commie coming to languish to cry that he was banned from EUOT for whining about some sun worshipers and the libertard that warned him and then in public did not let him defend himself. EUOT sucks. Marti is the same puddle of puke, but he is our puddle of puke. Slargos disappointed me, he was not enough of an ass. The thread needs a bit mor ACW.





Thank you, I feel better already.

The new kid is weird.

Well, that was a good movie and I'd like to thank The Brain for recommending it to me. I also see that while the cat was gone, the rats have been dancing on the table.


lustindarkness: Please. I have nothing against you. But in this case, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Read the rest of the thread, or be quiet. Thanks.

You learn quick, true, I have no fucking clue, will not read anymore, fuck you too, and welcome to languish.

Thanks.

I remember this guy called Patmaster,
He was cool.
This thread needs pictures of boobs.
I am writing like Ank.
Bmollson could add clarity to this post.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 12:31:21 AM
Well, if you're not interested in reading it and forming an opinion, you can just say nothing at all. No one's holding a gun to your head, nor did I ask for your your opinion in particular. I'm sure my post will be of interest to at least someone, while yours had no potential to be anything more than mere waste of bandwidth. So if you're not interested, you can fuck off. Thanks.


edit: And the same goes for anyone else who's not interested. You can fuck off too.

Help!  Help!  I'm being oppressed!

Quote from: grumbler on December 05, 2009, 09:08:02 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 12:31:21 AM
Well, if you're not interested in reading it and forming an opinion, you can just say nothing at all. No one's holding a gun to your head, nor did I ask for your your opinion in particular. I'm sure my post will be of interest to at least someone, while yours had no potential to be anything more than mere waste of bandwidth. So if you're not interested, you can fuck off. Thanks.


edit: And the same goes for anyone else who's not interested. You can fuck off too.

Help!  Help!  I'm being oppressed!

Well, I think if you took the time to read it, I think you'd see I *was* being oppressed. I wasn't banned but I'd rather leave than post at a place like that. And there's nothing wrong in saying you're being oppressed when you are, just as there's nothing wrong in being paranoid when people are really out to get you etc  ;)


Edit: And my reply to Berkut, which you're quoting, surely isn't about being oppressed

Why don't I get a snide reply? I feel left out. :( Am I not enough of an asshole?

Miglia,  I believe you have been oppressed.  I can't believe that mean Stonewall would dare say those things to you.  Don't worry dear,  you can come over and have some cookies and I'll let you watch your favorite cartoon show.  It'll be ok...
Your mommy and I have decided to  home school you with textbooks only so you don't ever have to deal with mean or ignorant people on the internet ever again.  That sound ok?

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 09:14:21 PM
Well, I think if you took the time to read it, I think you'd see I *was* being oppressed. I wasn't banned but I'd rather leave than post at a place like that. And there's nothing wrong in saying you're being oppressed when you are, just as there's nothing wrong in being paranoid when people are really out to get you etc  ;)

*Come and see the violence inherent in the system!*

Seriously, dude, you need to grow up if you want to enjoy your stay here.  The teen angst just doesn't get the sympathy here that it does elsewhere.  And, frankly, the strawmen and arguments by assertion that made up your "objectionable" psost are lame by the standards of Languish, even if the mods of EUOT thing such feeble things worth stomping on.

Languish is not so desperate for n00bs that it will clasp every whiny teen to its bosom for fear of "dying" alone. Frankly, I support your efforts to prove that you don't need to post at fora like this one.

Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2009, 06:52:50 PM
That's the way this place is.  To make it in here, you have to develop thick skin, and a very flexible asshole.

:yes:  That is why we have developed Neil and you, respectively.

Quote from: Korea on December 05, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
Why don't I get a snide reply? I feel left out. :( Am I not enough of an asshole?

Keep practicing on Ide at home, and report back here with the most successful efforts.   :hug:

Quote from: grumbler on December 05, 2009, 09:40:00 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 09:14:21 PM
Well, I think if you took the time to read it, I think you'd see I *was* being oppressed. I wasn't banned but I'd rather leave than post at a place like that. And there's nothing wrong in saying you're being oppressed when you are, just as there's nothing wrong in being paranoid when people are really out to get you etc  ;)

*Come and see the violence inherent in the system!*

Seriously, dude, you need to grow up if you want to enjoy your stay here.  The teen angst just doesn't get the sympathy here that it does elsewhere.  And, frankly, the strawmen and arguments by assertion that made up your "objectionable" psost are lame by the standards of Languish, even if the mods of EUOT thing such feeble things worth stomping on.

Languish is not so desperate for n00bs that it will clasp every whiny teen to its bosom for fear of "dying" alone. Frankly, I support your efforts to prove that you don't need to post at fora like this one.

These "strawmen" and "arguments by assertion" as you call them certainly managed to shut up the librarytardian camp on EUOT.

I know you did your best to write as negatively about me as possible, and since you didn't manage better than that, I'm actually going to take it as generally positive to my side of the issue on account of all the things you don't condemn me for.

I do support Stonewall in his warning of your infantile and smug euro-atheism.  It's very tiresome.

Korea, if you want I'll answer your questions, and I hope you won't find my comments to be snide. So if you want to know why I've acted in any particular way, feel free to ask. But if I may ask you something first: why did you expect me to me snide to you? You weren't snide to me.

Grumbler is right, once again.

Quote from: Razgovory on December 05, 2009, 09:51:33 PM
I do support Stonewall in his warning of your infantile and smug euro-atheism.  It's very tiresome.

I'm glad I made you feel that way.

Quote from: Razgovory on December 05, 2009, 09:53:36 PM
Grumbler is right, once again.

In what? His accusations of "argument by assertion"?

I still haven't decided what I think about the OP but you're handling the dogpiling very nicely. :cheers:

Thanks! :)

You even got dogpiled by a guy with 8 posts.  :lol:

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 09:49:01 PM
These "strawmen" and "arguments by assertion" as you call them certainly managed to shut up the librarytardian camp on EUOT.   

Wow.  That is impressive.  Not.  "EUOT libertarian" is a combo like "Retarded quadraplegic" - you don't need both halves of the phrase to know it isn't strength leading to strength.

QuoteI know you did your best to write as negatively about me as possible, and since you didn't manage better than that, I'm actually going to take it as generally positive to my side of the issue on account of all the things you don't condemn me for.

Oh, yes, I am sure you "know" many, many things.  I wonder if any of them are true?

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 09:59:44 PM
You even got dogpiled by a guy with 8 posts.  :lol:

Yeah :lol:

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 09:59:44 PM
You even got dogpiled by a guy with 8 posts.  :lol:

The n00b fights are definitely the best.   :cool:

Quote from: grumbler on December 05, 2009, 10:00:41 PM

QuoteI know you did your best to write as negatively about me as possible, and since you didn't manage better than that, I'm actually going to take it as generally positive to my side of the issue on account of all the things you don't condemn me for.

Oh, yes, I am sure you "know" many, many things.  I wonder if any of them are true?

Are you going all philosophical on me now, grumbler? How do we know anything to be true, really? I mean, how can we know for sure?

Quote from: grumbler on December 05, 2009, 10:01:44 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 09:59:44 PM
You even got dogpiled by a guy with 8 posts.  :lol:

The n00b fights are definitely the best.   :cool:

Yes, you've been here more than me, perhaps also longer. And you're also older than me in real life. So one would expect better of you. Who's acting immature here, for example?

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 09:58:39 PM
I still haven't decided what I think about the OP but you're handling the dogpiling very nicely. :cheers:

So you're the guy who actually read it?

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 05, 2009, 10:15:58 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 09:58:39 PM
I still haven't decided what I think about the OP but you're handling the dogpiling very nicely. :cheers:

So you're the guy who actually read it?

I've written several summaries. If anyone believes my summaries to be incorrect, they can check them against the full material.


Edit: In fact, I believe a lot of people here have read the material, carefully, looking for things to use against me. Grumbler, for example, has apparently read what I wrote. How else would he be able to accuse me of using "arguments by assertions"? (an accusation which he doesn't explain, by the way, and so is intself an "argument by assertion")


It's just they haven't found anything they can use against me, and so they don't write anything. Because they know I'm right.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 09:59:44 PM
You even got dogpiled by a guy with 8 posts.  :lol:

Hooray, I'm contributing.

Grumbler's pretty good at finding ways to disagree with people, he probably got that arguments by assertion line from a single 2 line post.

Quote from: Vise on December 05, 2009, 10:30:49 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2009, 09:59:44 PM
You even got dogpiled by a guy with 8 posts.  :lol:

Hooray, I'm contributing.

Yes. I guess you're one of these people who only feel safe picking on other people when you're many against one?

In school, you were probably the drawn-back guy, always silent, never saying anything. But if the cool guys heap abuse on someone, you take your chances to know what it feels like to be on top. And then you feel good about yourself.

Who the fuck are you? I know, you are someone who is fucking pathetic, that is what you are.

I am oppressing people.  Starting with Drakken.

Ya know we keep deriding the Finns, but seems like the Swedes and wannabe Swedes are just as loony.

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 10:50:41 PM
Ya know we keep deriding the Finns, but seems like the Swedes and wannabe Swedes are just as loony.

Hmmm, Slargos, Brain, Drakken, Miglia, Ape, Solmyr, Johan, Lucidor, stop me when we get to someone sane...

Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 10:50:41 PM
Ya know we keep deriding the Finns, but seems like the Swedes and wannabe Swedes are just as loony.

Selection bias. Any Swede must be loony to want to come here. Except the self-hating Swedes.

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 01:17:08 AM

Well. Stonewall is a fucking Cunt.

Aren't you Stonewall?

Is Stonewall still here anyway?

Do you figure he will ban me on the Paradox forum for calling him a cunt here?

I don't think telling the truth, that is to say that Stonewall is a cunt, should be grounds for banning.

*sniff*
*sniff*

Whatever will I do? 

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 12:27:30 AM

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 01:17:08 AM

Well. Stonewall is a fucking Cunt.

Aren't you Stonewall?

Is Stonewall still here anyway?

Do you figure he will ban me on the Paradox forum for calling him a cunt here?

I don't think telling the truth, that is to say that Stonewall is a cunt, should be grounds for banning.

*sniff*
*sniff*

Whatever will I do?

Heya Stoney. :cool:

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 12:31:01 AM

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 12:27:30 AM

Quote from: Slargos on December 05, 2009, 01:17:08 AM

Well. Stonewall is a fucking Cunt.

Aren't you Stonewall?

Is Stonewall still here anyway?

Do you figure he will ban me on the Paradox forum for calling him a cunt here?

I don't think telling the truth, that is to say that Stonewall is a cunt, should be grounds for banning.

*sniff*
*sniff*

Whatever will I do?

Heya Stoney. :cool:

Ahh, Mr. Jaron.  Good to see you, my friend.  Play much WoW anymore? 

I can't stop staring at your avatar.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 10:34:55 PM
Who the fuck are you? I know, you are someone who is fucking pathetic, that is what you are.

Sweet baby Jesus! Are you serious?  I never knew.  And I bet you are going  to tell me not being able to see my penis makes me fat as well?  You are so mean.  :cry:

Hey Stonewall. :) EUOT seems to be down for me, so I don't know if you've answered my PM or not. Have you?

Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 12:36:23 AM
I can't stop staring at your avatar.

Been that long since you've seen a pair, eh? ^_^

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 12:39:48 AM

Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 12:36:23 AM
I can't stop staring at your avatar.

Been that long since you've seen a pair, eh? ^_^

Ever since you stopped sending me your pics :cry:

Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 12:40:19 AM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 12:39:48 AM

Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 12:36:23 AM
I can't stop staring at your avatar.

Been that long since you've seen a pair, eh? ^_^

Ever since you stopped sending me your pics :cry:

^_^

Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 12:40:19 AM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 12:39:48 AM

Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 12:36:23 AM
I can't stop staring at your avatar.

Been that long since you've seen a pair, eh? ^_^

Ever since you stopped sending me your pics :cry:

That was Jaron posting this pic?  :o


(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ebaumsworld.com%2Fpicture%2FYermo77%2FManBoobs.png&hash=a104a15a3141bba7d3355e04418cc4198ccf6989)


;)

Mind answering my question, Stonewall?

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Mind answering my question, Stonewall?

I have not responded, nor am I likely to do so in the near future. 

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 12:59:04 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Mind answering my question, Stonewall?

I have not responded, nor am I likely to do so in the near future.

Why not? Was my request not fair?


Do you think it is fair to publicly slander someone and use your power to rob them of any chance to defend themselves? After talking high about the sacrosanctity of credibility? Was that all bullshit?

Quote from: Vise on December 06, 2009, 12:38:39 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 10:34:55 PM
Who the fuck are you? I know, you are someone who is fucking pathetic, that is what you are.

Sweet baby Jesus! Are you serious?  I never knew.  And I bet you are going  to tell me not being able to see my penis makes me fat as well?  You are so mean.  :cry:

Have you tried using the mirror?

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:01:05 AM

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 12:59:04 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Mind answering my question, Stonewall?

I have not responded, nor am I likely to do so in the near future.

Why not? Was my request not fair?


Do you think it is fair to publicly slander someone and use your power to rob them of any chance to defend themselves? After talking high about the sacrosanctity of credibility? Was that all bullshit?

Yes?

I'd appreciate an answer, Stonewall.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:08:01 AM
I'd appreciate an answer, Stonewall.

Odds of getting one are pretty slim.

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 12:59:04 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Mind answering my question, Stonewall?

I have not responded, nor am I likely to do so in the near future.

It's a fair question.  Without further explanation and elaboration, calling someone a liar in your capacity as a moderator, and then gagging them from defending themselves, looks like an act of considerable cowardice (even if you think it's justified).  You don't accuse someone of being a liar lightly, not if you have any shred of personal integrity.

Quote from: DGuller on December 06, 2009, 01:10:55 AM

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 12:59:04 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Mind answering my question, Stonewall?

I have not responded, nor am I likely to do so in the near future.

It's a fair question.  Without further explanation and elaboration, calling someone a liar in your capacity as a moderator, and then gagging them from defending themselves, looks like an act of considerable cowardice (even if you think it's justified).  You don't accuse someone of being a liar lightly, not if you have any shred of personal integrity.

Indeed, it is almost as bad as actually BEING a liar.

You really like picking fights, don't you?

Stonewall is a typical GOPtard. You shouldn't expect any sort of civility from him.

Quote from: DGuller on December 06, 2009, 01:14:28 AM
You really like picking fights, don't you?

I'd say "liar" is a fair characterization of such behaviour.

Stonewall, is that not a fair characterization? Is not calling someone a liar in public, and using your power to rob them of any chance to defend themselves, akin to being a liar? Or at least dishonest? If you value your credibility and honesty as you say you do, why not at least allow me the chance to give my side? I don't even ask of you that you admit you were wrong. Just that I can give my side of it.

Quote from: DGuller on December 06, 2009, 01:14:28 AM
You really like picking fights, don't you?

How long have you been hanging around Dorsey?

:P

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:17:59 AM
I'd say it's a fair characterization.

He was addressing Berkut, fyi.

Yes, I mean Berkut's characterization was fair

Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'll edit the post.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:17:59 AM

Quote from: DGuller on December 06, 2009, 01:14:28 AM
You really like picking fights, don't you?

I'd say it's a fair characterization.

Stonewall, is that not a fair characterization? Is not calling someone a liar in public, and using your power to rob them of any chance to defend themselves, akin to being a liar? Or at least dishonest? If you value your credibility and honesty as you say you do, why not at least allow me the chance to give my side? I don't even ask of you that you admit you were wrong. Just that I can give my side of it.

I don't see why you'd expect to be treated differently or act suprised when you have trolls like Dark Knight, Stonewall, and maartos laying down the law. They expect a libertarian/conservative bent to their little corner of the internet.

Quote from: DGuller on December 06, 2009, 01:14:28 AM
You really like picking fights, don't you?

What do you mean?

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:01:05 AM

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 12:59:04 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Mind answering my question, Stonewall?

I have not responded, nor am I likely to do so in the near future.

Why not? Was my request not fair?

I simply don't any desire to continue the discussion with you. 

QuoteDo you think it is fair to publicly slander someone and use your power to rob them of any chance to defend themselves? After talking high about the sacrosanctity of credibility? Was that all bullshit?

Is it fair?  Probably not. 

Fair is mostly over-rated anyway.

Quote from: DGuller on December 06, 2009, 01:10:55 AM

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 12:59:04 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Mind answering my question, Stonewall?

I have not responded, nor am I likely to do so in the near future.

It's a fair question.  Without further explanation and elaboration, calling someone a liar in your capacity as a moderator, and then gagging them from defending themselves, looks like an act of considerable cowardice (even if you think it's justified).  You don't accuse someone of being a liar lightly, not if you have any shred of personal integrity.

I didn't accuse him lightly.  He lied, I called him on it and then ended the discussion.  Sorry if that seems cowardly to you.  I guess you can call me "Yeller." 

I did not lie. :huh: Please explain to me how the hell I was lying.

And why do you run from the discussion if you think you're in the right?

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:34:44 AM

And why do you run from the discussion if you think you're in the right?

Being the libertariantard you think I am, I believe it is my choice whether to participate or not.  I choose not to. 

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 01:39:43 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:34:44 AM

And why do you run from the discussion if you think you're in the right?

Being the libertariantard you think I am, I believe it is my choice whether to participate or not.  I choose not to.

That was not directed at you personally. Don't you have the objectivity to see past differences in politics? And of course you can do what you want, but if you value your credibility as you do, you should be able to explain WHY you make that choice.

Actually, I think explaining why would damage his credibility more, at least here at Languish.

Right now, he looks pretty smart - why mess with that?

Plus he has that avatar, so that is worth quite a bit as well.

Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 01:45:23 AM
Actually, I think explaining why would damage his credibility more, at least here at Languish.

Right now, he looks pretty smart - why mess with that?

Plus he has that avatar, so that is worth quite a bit as well.

He looks smart? :rolleyes: How does he look smart?

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:43:23 AM

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 01:39:43 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:34:44 AM

And why do you run from the discussion if you think you're in the right?

Being the libertariantard you think I am, I believe it is my choice whether to participate or not.  I choose not to.

That was not directed at you personally. Don't you have the objectivity to see past differences in politics? And of course you can do what you want, but if you value your credibility as you do, you should be able to explain WHY you make that choice.

I explained it once.  I don't believe that further discussion will result in you changing your mind.  I know it won't result in me changing mine.  Further discussion is pointless and a waste of my time, so I choose to discontinue the conversation.  Sorry if that seems arbitrary or unfair to you. 

Arbitrary?  Unfair?  Now I just think you are lobbying to become a Languish mod.

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 01:47:33 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:43:23 AM

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 01:39:43 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:34:44 AM

And why do you run from the discussion if you think you're in the right?

Being the libertariantard you think I am, I believe it is my choice whether to participate or not.  I choose not to.

That was not directed at you personally. Don't you have the objectivity to see past differences in politics? And of course you can do what you want, but if you value your credibility as you do, you should be able to explain WHY you make that choice.

I explained it once.  I don't believe that further discussion will result in you changing your mind.  I know it won't result in me changing mine.  Further discussion is pointless and a waste of my time, so I choose to discontinue the conversation.  Sorry if that seems arbitrary or unfair to you.

No you didn't. You explained nothing. My mind is perfectly capable to change. You should know that. Many times, in our discussion, did I admit I was mistaken. The only person in the thread to ever do so. Have I not shown myself to be reasonable?

If you want, we can talk about this in private through the private message system. And if it leads to me being able to give my view of why I'm not a liar, in the thread, on EUOT, even if only a few sentances that you and I work out and both can agree to, I promise I will never speak of our private discussion and I will never mention this ever again, nor here nor elsewhere. And you can take my word for that, because I value my credibility and I would never act in a way as to damage my credibility.

Never waste time mudwrestling a pig.  You get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Despite my statements that I don't want to continue, you keep trying to convince me to do just that.  This is precisely why I don't want to continue the discussion.  Nothing I say will result in you saying, ok, fine, enough is enough. 

I don't want to discuss it here, there, publicly, privately, through email, via smoke signals, morse code or in any other fashion. 

Again, I apologize if you feel that is arbitrary or unfair.  It is, however, the way it's going to be.

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 02:00:16 AM
Never waste time mudwrestling a pig.  You get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Have I shown myself to be a dirty pig? Really? I'd be glad if you explained why. I don't think you can.

Quote from: Korea on December 05, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
Why don't I get a snide reply? I feel left out. :( Am I not enough of an asshole?

[puerile joke about anal sex]

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 02:03:09 AM
Despite my statements that I don't want to continue, you keep trying to convince me to do just that.  This is precisely why I don't want to continue the discussion.  Nothing I say will result in you saying, ok, fine, enough is enough. 

I don't want to discuss it here, there, publicly, privately, through email, via smoke signals, morse code or in any other fashion. 

Again, I apologize if you feel that is arbitrary or unfair.  It is, however, the way it's going to be.

*sigh* Keep your EU OT drama off languish plx, thanks.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:46:48 AM

Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 01:45:23 AM
Actually, I think explaining why would damage his credibility more, at least here at Languish.

Right now, he looks pretty smart - why mess with that?

Plus he has that avatar, so that is worth quite a bit as well.

He looks smart? :rolleyes: How does he look smart?

He chose to stop arguing with you.  That's fairly smart.  Seriously from here he looks in the right and you look the fool.  And personally I dislike Stonewall.

Quote from: Razgovory on December 06, 2009, 02:15:04 AMAnd personally I dislike Stonewall.

That's too bad.  I always liked you.

I think you guys are a bit premature giving Stoney props for avoiding an argument, as it sounds like he's now involved in an argument about whether to continue the last one.  :P

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 02:03:09 AM
Despite my statements that I don't want to continue, you keep trying to convince me to do just that.  This is precisely why I don't want to continue the discussion.  Nothing I say will result in you saying, ok, fine, enough is enough. 

I don't want to discuss it here, there, publicly, privately, through email, via smoke signals, morse code or in any other fashion. 

Again, I apologize if you feel that is arbitrary or unfair.  It is, however, the way it's going to be.

If you agree to explain yourself, I will quite obviously stop asking you to explain yourself! And if you agree to discuss the matter with me: Of course we can agree to something!

Despite your statements? You're not a moderator here Stonewall. And I don't want to come to your forum. So I'm not going to give you a chance to punish me there for what I say here. So I can say whatever I want to you here.

You'll note many people here have said many negative things about you. I have not. I dare you to find one negative thing I have said about you here. Or on Paradox. If anything, I have talked highly of you. That is because I try to think the best of people. You often get disappointed, but sometimes people rise to your expectations. Sometimes, when the words and actions of people do not correlate, you are forced to adjust your opinion. But before I adjust my opinion of you, I would like to talk it through with you! Is that too much to ask?

You apologize? But what do you apologize for? Do you apologize for calling me a liar? If you apologize, why will you not agree to have it published on EUOT? Do you think it would hurt your credibility? If anything, I think it would show you be fair. Because you would be willing to admit to a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. There's nothing wrong in admitting you have made one.

But you don't have to admit you're wrong if you don't want to. You can just allow me to write a few lines of explanation. We can work those lines out between us. For me this is not personal. I will be quite able to work it out with you. I don't care about you. I care about being called a liar, especially when I've NOT lied, and then not being allowed to defend myself.

Can you give me ANY good reason for why you will refuse me this? Any reason at all?

You say you don't like authoritarianism. Was that just words? Why does your words differ from your actions?

Quote from: Razgovory on December 06, 2009, 02:15:04 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 01:46:48 AM

Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 01:45:23 AM
Actually, I think explaining why would damage his credibility more, at least here at Languish.

Right now, he looks pretty smart - why mess with that?

Plus he has that avatar, so that is worth quite a bit as well.

He looks smart? :rolleyes: How does he look smart?

He chose to stop arguing with you.  That's fairly smart.  Seriously from here he looks in the right and you look the fool.  And personally I dislike Stonewall.

:huh:


He's running from the argument and that makes him look good? How the hell can that make him look good?

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:37:39 AM
He's running from the argument and that makes him look good? How the hell can that make him look good?

Because arguing on the internet is largely a waste of time?

I just want to say this right here and now.

Anyone who wants to fuck with my boy miggiez is gonna haf to go through ME

Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 02:38:41 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:37:39 AM
He's running from the argument and that makes him look good? How the hell can that make him look good?

Because arguing on the internet is largely a waste of time?

Is it always? Does it not depend on who you talk to? Why is it a waste of time to argue with me? Have I shown myself to be intellectually dishonest? Do I not argue in earnest? Do I lack credibility?

Why would it be a waste of time to talk to me? Answer me honestly, please.

This is at a very sensitive point in the conversation so I would very much appreciate if people would please not troll me with posts that are "not serious". Of course I can't stop you if you want to, I can only appeal to you that you do not.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjesus.spydro.be%2Fweblog%2Fwp-content%2Farguing.jpg&hash=7587c081368cc9cd80a4376559efa4ce5fd70536)

Quote from: Syt on December 06, 2009, 02:45:38 AM
(http://retard%20pic)

Really, Syt? Why would a discussion between Stonewall and I have to be on the level of retards? Because that is what you are saying. Do you really think that? Answer me honestly, please. Stonewall argues as a profession, and I think I have shown myself able of arguing in this thread. Why could we not have an argument if we wanted to?

I like this one.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.comcast.net%2F%7Erelee.paradox%2Finternetargument.jpg&hash=196bc164b2af07c491f04f44097e46de07d92fb2)

Can you at least answer me this, Stonewall?

"Can you give me ANY good reason for why you will refuse me this? Any reason at all?"

I'm not arguing (hah) against discussions and debate on the internet. I say that arguing in circles, taking things personal and not being able to let go makes you retarded.

Don't take this internet thingy too serious. You can always step back from it without much consequence.

Paradox OT is ment to be a right wing bastion. Just accept it. There are other places you can express yourself more freely.

Quote from: Syt on December 06, 2009, 02:52:06 AM
I'm not arguing (hah) against discussions and debate on the internet. I say that arguing in circles, taking things personal and not being able to let go makes you retarded.

Don't take this internet thingy too serious. You can always step back from it without much consequence.

Am I taking it too seriously? I take being called a liar seriously. Should I not? And should I not take being called *a liar* PERSONAL? Is it not an an attack on my person?!

And I know I can leave any time I want. I just left EUOT.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:54:39 AM

Quote from: Syt on December 06, 2009, 02:52:06 AM
I'm not arguing (hah) against discussions and debate on the internet. I say that arguing in circles, taking things personal and not being able to let go makes you retarded.

Don't take this internet thingy too serious. You can always step back from it without much consequence.

God damn pat, just let it the fuck go.
Am I taking it too seriously? I take being called a liar seriously. Should I not? And should I not take being called *a liar* PERSONAL? Is it not an an attack on my person?!

And I know I can leave any time I want. I just left EUOT.

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 02:55:53 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:54:39 AM

Quote from: Syt on December 06, 2009, 02:52:06 AM
I'm not arguing (hah) against discussions and debate on the internet. I say that arguing in circles, taking things personal and not being able to let go makes you retarded.

Don't take this internet thingy too serious. You can always step back from it without much consequence.

God damn pat, just let it the fuck go.
Am I taking it too seriously? I take being called a liar seriously. Should I not? And should I not take being called *a liar* PERSONAL? Is it not an an attack on my person?!

And I know I can leave any time I want. I just left EUOT.

Why should I? Am I not in the right?

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 02:03:09 AM
Despite my statements that I don't want to continue, you keep trying to convince me to do just that.  This is precisely why I don't want to continue the discussion.  Nothing I say will result in you saying, ok, fine, enough is enough. 

I don't want to discuss it here, there, publicly, privately, through email, via smoke signals, morse code or in any other fashion. 

Again, I apologize if you feel that is arbitrary or unfair.  It is, however, the way it's going to be.

What a lame-o response.

Especially the "I apologize if you feel". If you think you've done wrong, apologize (and try to remedy your wrong). If you think you haven't done wrong, don't apologize.

The "I apologize if you felt offended/wronged/bad" is an immensely lame response.

I typed my post wrong, but yes, you should just drop it.

If you are right, you should not need Stonewall to vindicate that.

He doesn't want to continue the conversation. You can interpret his actions as you will, but by constantly persisting with it, you are making an ass out of yourself and not helping your case at all. If you truly didn't care about these things, you would have kept sending PMs and not made a public thread about it. You wanted support from Languish you did not get, and Stonewall has stonewalled you.

Time to take your toys and go home.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:54:39 AM

Quote from: Syt on December 06, 2009, 02:52:06 AM
I'm not arguing (hah) against discussions and debate on the internet. I say that arguing in circles, taking things personal and not being able to let go makes you retarded.

Don't take this internet thingy too serious. You can always step back from it without much consequence.

Am I taking it too seriously? I take being called a liar seriously. Should I not? And should I not take being called *a liar* PERSONAL? Is it not an an attack on my person?!

And I know I can leave any time I want. I just left EUOT.

Yes. Accusations from a trollish internet persona like Stonewall should not be taken personally or seriously. Paradox's OT moderation squad is a joke. Sadly, this is also reflected in the declining quality of their games...

Quote from: Korea on December 05, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
Why don't I get a snide reply? I feel left out. :( Am I not enough of an asshole?

Cunt.












:P

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 02:50:33 AM
I like this one.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.comcast.net%2F%7Erelee.paradox%2Finternetargument.jpg&hash=196bc164b2af07c491f04f44097e46de07d92fb2)

Dammit people keep posting that before I get to.

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 02:59:13 AM
If you truly didn't care about these things, you would have kept sending PMs and not made a public thread about it.

I never said I didn't care about these things. That would be a rediculous thing for me to say. Of course I care. :huh:

Why?

I shut these fools down all the time. They back the fuck up and try to make Jaron jokes or hoist mine enemies upon their shoulders, but I know I still won. I don't need anyone to bow down before me when i can smell the fear and defeat upon their broken bodies.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:03:16 AM

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 02:00:16 AM
Never waste time mudwrestling a pig.  You get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Have I shown myself to be a dirty pig? Really? I'd be glad if you explained why. I don't think you can.

I think he meant Stonewall is a pig.

Quote from: Martinus on December 06, 2009, 03:07:17 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:03:16 AM

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 02:00:16 AM
Never waste time mudwrestling a pig.  You get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Have I shown myself to be a dirty pig? Really? I'd be glad if you explained why. I don't think you can.

I think he meant Stonewall is a pig.

I thought he was a lawyer?

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 03:06:19 AM
Why?

I shut these fools down all the time. They back the fuck up and try to make Jaron jokes or hoist mine enemies upon their shoulders, but I know I still won. I don't need anyone to bow down before me when i can smell the fear and defeat upon their broken bodies.

Again: I don't ask anything of Stonewall except permitting me to defend myself with a few lines,  i.e. not banning me if I do defend myself, and I will even try to agree with him as to what they say!

Now I have to go, and I fully expect all kinds of things to be written about me in my absence. I already know many here don't like me. That I do not care much about, however. Much will be written when I am gone. Much of it will be trolling of me. For obvious reasons, I will ignore most of it, and for reasons of time I will only take on the most obvious falsehoods. This is not to be understood as that, which I not reply to, I agree with or accept being said of me. I think I have shown myself quite capable of responding to all kinds of slander in this thread, if I want to.

But before I leave, for now, I ask again, once and for all, Stonewall to answer my question:

"Can you give me ANY good reason for why you will refuse me this? Any reason at all?"

It will be the last time I ask. Again, I'd really appreciate an answer.

Man up and just post in the thread then.

Quit begging for permission. It sickens me to see you grovel like this, Pat.

Whenever someone on this forum pushed me against a wall, I always stepped up the plate, even knowing it meant a 30 day ban. Shit, I think once I got a 30 day ban, came back for a day, and then ate another 30 days. :lol:

If anything, getting banned on the Paradox OT is a mark of honor.

Its a badge many of us carry. ^_^

Solution for miglia:

Find Stonewall's real identity, go to the US, bash his head open with a shovel and post pics of the whole affair on the internet using one of the following phrases: "got me some nigger bait", "love southern stu" or "took down the wall of stone then pissed all over"

But never try to extract reason out of an internet discussion. Especially from a brainwashed Paradox mod.

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Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:03:16 AM

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 02:00:16 AM
Never waste time mudwrestling a pig.  You get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Have I shown myself to be a dirty pig? Really? I'd be glad if you explained why. I don't think you can.

I think he meant Stonewall is a pig.

I thought he was a lawyer?

Is there a difference?  :D

Quote from: Martinus on December 06, 2009, 03:07:17 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:03:16 AM

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 02:00:16 AM
Never waste time mudwrestling a pig.  You get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Have I shown myself to be a dirty pig? Really? I'd be glad if you explained why. I don't think you can.

I think he meant Stonewall is a pig.

No matter how much you beg, Martina, you'll never smoke my sausage.   :boff:

Quote from: Alexandru H. on December 06, 2009, 04:18:45 AM
Solution for miglia:

Find Stonewall's real identity, go to the US, bash his head open with a shovel and post pics of the whole affair on the internet using one of the following phrases: "got me some nigger bait", "love southern stu" or "took down the wall of stone then pissed all over"

But never try to extract reason out of an internet discussion. Especially from a brainwashed Paradox mod.

:huh:

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 04:28:23 AM

Quote from: Martinus on December 06, 2009, 03:07:17 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:03:16 AM

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 02:00:16 AM
Never waste time mudwrestling a pig.  You get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Have I shown myself to be a dirty pig? Really? I'd be glad if you explained why. I don't think you can.

I think he meant Stonewall is a pig.

No matter how much you beg, Martina, you'll never smoke my sausage.   :boff:

:huh:

Quote from: Stonewall on December 06, 2009, 04:28:23 AM

Quote from: Martinus on December 06, 2009, 03:07:17 AM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:03:16 AM

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 02:00:16 AM
Never waste time mudwrestling a pig.  You get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Have I shown myself to be a dirty pig? Really? I'd be glad if you explained why. I don't think you can.

I think he meant Stonewall is a pig.

No matter how much you beg, Martina, you'll never smoke my sausage.   :boff:

Wow, who'd have thought he could be funny. and on such an original topic, too. Pig to homo blowjob in one thought.

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Quote from: Martinus on December 06, 2009, 02:58:43 AM
What a lame-o response.

Especially the "I apologize if you feel". If you think you've done wrong, apologize (and try to remedy your wrong). If you think you haven't done wrong, don't apologize.

The "I apologize if you felt offended/wronged/bad" is an immensely lame response.

Agreed.  Conditional apology that implies that someone who's offended is a sissy is all the rage these days.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 08:32:47 PM
Well, that was a good movie and I'd like to thank The Brain for recommending it to me.

I love that movie. I have seen it more times than I would care to know. :blush:

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 03:22:35 AM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 03:06:19 AM
Why?

I shut these fools down all the time. They back the fuck up and try to make Jaron jokes or hoist mine enemies upon their shoulders, but I know I still won. I don't need anyone to bow down before me when i can smell the fear and defeat upon their broken bodies.

Again: I don't ask anything of Stonewall except permitting me to defend myself with a few lines,  i.e. not banning me if I do defend myself, and I will even try to agree with him as to what they say!

Now I have to go, and I fully expect all kinds of things to be written about me in my absence. I already know many here don't like me. That I do not care much about, however. Much will be written when I am gone. Much of it will be trolling of me. For obvious reasons, I will ignore most of it, and for reasons of time I will only take on the most obvious falsehoods. This is not to be understood as that, which I not reply to, I agree with or accept being said of me. I think I have shown myself quite capable of responding to all kinds of slander in this thread, if I want to.

But before I leave, for now, I ask again, once and for all, Stonewall to answer my question:

"Can you give me ANY good reason for why you will refuse me this? Any reason at all?"

It will be the last time I ask. Again, I'd really appreciate an answer.

At this point, do you still think that you can accomplish anything except retreading the same shit yet again?  If you want to keep this thread going, you need to come up with some fresh entertainment.  Stonewall acted like a bully and a coward at the same time, and his behavior would've reflected badly on EUOT if that were still possible.  I can understand how little people making themselves feel big at your expenses can make you feel.  At some point you just have to move on, though, and I think that point came some time ago.

Quote from: DGuller on December 06, 2009, 06:10:33 AM
you need to come up with some fresh entertainment.

Thank God us regulars don't have to.

Quote from: The Brain on December 06, 2009, 06:13:10 AM

Quote from: DGuller on December 06, 2009, 06:10:33 AM
you need to come up with some fresh entertainment.

Thank God us regulars don't have to.

:punk:

Anyway, back to the P: miglia, from your little anecdotal tale, you actually have no idea what a libertarian is.  The majority of libertarians I know, myself included, are actually quite charitable.  I support a number of charities financially and donate my time and expertise to the Red Cross.  You seem to be confusing libertarianism with objectivism... and even objectivists are 'permitted' to be charitable if they so choose--but I don't personally know anyone who claims to be an objectivist so I don't know if they typically are.

Quote from: Caliga on December 06, 2009, 06:36:49 AM
Anyway, back to the P: miglia, from your little anecdotal tale, you actually have no idea what a libertarian is.  The majority of libertarians I know, myself included, are actually quite charitable.  I support a number of charities financially and donate my time and expertise to the Red Cross.  You seem to be confusing libertarianism with objectivism... and even objectivists are 'permitted' to be charitable if they so choose--but I don't personally know anyone who claims to be an objectivist so I don't know if they typically are.

I don't think Miglia came here to convince us he was a genius at argumentation.  Of course his whole characterization of libertarians was a strawman.  He came here to whine that he was warned for comparing libertarians' belief with libertarianism with belief in fairies, or something, "just like religious people" (or something).  Classic argument by assertion.

The real response to Miglia is; "look, son, if you really really want to respond to Stonewall on EUOT, just do so.  The worst that can happen is that you are banned, and you claim to be leaving there anyway.  Don't bring your shit here, though, because we don't care.  All of this crying and carrying on about 'being called a liar' is absolute bullshit coming from someone who doesn't even use his own name when he posts.  Man up!"

Stonewall doesn't have to apologize for anything (or even discuss anything) he does as a mod.  That's one of the rules of modding.  As a mod, I followed that rule myself.  If someone thinks a mod has overstepped his/her bounds, one should go over his/her head in a PM to the admin. 

For the record, I'm sorry about calling you a cunt, Stonewall. I was lashing out randomly.

We've had our differences, and your modding style at Paradox is that of most other Paradox mods: Retarded.

However, as a person, you're not entirely disagreeable some of the time. -_-

Quote from: grumbler on December 06, 2009, 06:56:22 AM
Stonewall doesn't have to apologize for anything (or even discuss anything) he does as a mod.  That's one of the rules of modding.  As a mod, I followed that rule myself.  If someone thinks a mod has overstepped his/her bounds, one should go over his/her head in a PM to the admin.

At the same time, the mod has to be very professional, and not make himself the subject of discussion.  That's the rule I followed when I was an admin on the forum I used to frequent.  Flaming someone in your official capacity, and then hiding behind your official capacity, is a gross violation of that rule.  In real life terms, it's like a cop punching someone a couple of times unprovoked in public, and then threatening to arrest the guy for assaulting the officer if he punches back.

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 09:53:05 PM
Korea, if you want I'll answer your questions, and I hope you won't find my comments to be snide. So if you want to know why I've acted in any particular way, feel free to ask. But if I may ask you something first: why did you expect me to me snide to you? You weren't snide to me.

I was trying to troll you but you have thwarted me. :( I fail at Languish.

Seriously though, I don't get why you said everyone else was a whiner and you were just reciprocating. Seems like a double standard to me. Also, I think you are completely overreacting to this EUOT stuff but this thread has been entertaining. :)

Quote from: miglia on December 05, 2009, 10:34:55 PM
In school, you were probably the drawn-back guy, always silent, never saying anything. But if the cool guys heap abuse on someone, you take your chances to know what it feels like to be on top. And then you feel good about yourself.

:lol: You're soooo dramatic. Maybe he just disagrees with you.

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Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 02:44:49 AM
This is at a very sensitive point in the conversation so I would very much appreciate if people would please not troll me with posts that are "not serious". Of course I can't stop you if you want to, I can only appeal to you that you do not.

This is only asking for more trolls.

Quote from: Martinus on December 06, 2009, 03:00:20 AM

Quote from: Korea on December 05, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
Why don't I get a snide reply? I feel left out. :( Am I not enough of an asshole?

Cunt.

:P

:hug:

After enjoying a good 7 hours sleep, I come back and it is still going.

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But I'm out of the dogpile. It bores me now. I'd dogpile Korea though. Naked.

Stonewall grows wiser in the ways of the force.

Quote from: DGuller on December 06, 2009, 09:00:40 AM
At the same time, the mod has to be very professional, and not make himself the subject of discussion.  That's the rule I followed when I was an admin on the forum I used to frequent.  Flaming someone in your official capacity, and then hiding behind your official capacity, is a gross violation of that rule.  In real life terms, it's like a cop punching someone a couple of times unprovoked in public, and then threatening to arrest the guy for assaulting the officer if he punches back.

No, a mod does not need to be like that. You may require it in your forum, but I suspect that you would have no mods in your forum, because they would end up pissed off that they had to explain everything to everyone because there is no definition of a "very professional" online moderator that is commonly accepted.

There is no "real life terms" equivalent of an on-line posting; the closest thing is maybe a line in an episode of The Simpsons, or another situation in which made-up people are having a totally artificial conversation.

People seriously need to get a life.  Internet fora are for amusement only.  If some artificial persona wants to amuse itself by calling your artificial persona a liar, it has no real-world impact whatever, and cannot involve morality or professionalism in any way.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 09:34:04 AM
After enjoying a good 7 hours sleep, I come back and it is still going.
But I'm out of the dogpile. It bores me now. I'd dogpile Korea though. Naked.

It is being taken over by grumbler.

As a matter of fact, it is like the ecology system of Languish: Fresh meat appear and make their first uncertain steps, jumped quickly by the predators who happen to be close by chance. Alerted by the noise, the alpha trolls (Ed, Jaron, some others) arrive and tear the damaged noob apart. Some less heavy-weight but still prestigious posters use the chance to bite off small pieces here and there, while Martinus performs the cheerleader role acting as if he was part of the devouring.

As the noob-thread turns into a ravaged corpse, the main trolls start to lose interest, allowing grumbler, the scavenger, to do his special thing with it. When he is done, only bones and memories remain of the thread, and sometimes the noob poster as well.

No need for any definition.  Just act respectfully and in a way that wouldn't require you to give an explanation.  It's not that hard to follow for people who are not assholes on a power trip.  If the mod is asked to explain himself very often, then he's a terrible mod who hasn't earned his respect or authority.  One sure way to lose respect and authority is to do what Stonewall did.

As for whether Internet fora are for amusement, it's a matter of opinion.  IMO, it's a way for real people to communicate with each other.  We're not just in a virtual reality simulation, behind each poster is a real person.

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 11:13:28 AM
As a matter of fact, it is like the ecology system of Languish: Fresh meat appear and make their first uncertain steps, jumped quickly by the predators who happen to be close by chance.

Meh.  I had no such jumping.

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 11:13:28 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 09:34:04 AM
After enjoying a good 7 hours sleep, I come back and it is still going.
But I'm out of the dogpile. It bores me now. I'd dogpile Korea though. Naked.

It is being taken over by grumbler.

As a matter of fact, it is like the ecology system of Languish: Fresh meat appear and make their first uncertain steps, jumped quickly by the predators who happen to be close by chance. Alerted by the noise, the alpha trolls (Ed, Jaron, some others) arrive and tear the damaged noob apart. Some less heavy-weight but still prestigious posters use the chance to bite off small pieces here and there, while Martinus performs the cheerleader role acting as if he was part of the devouring.

As the noob-thread turns into a ravaged corpse, the main trolls start to lose interest, allowing grumbler, the scavenger, to do his special thing with it. When he is done, only bones and memories remain of the thread, and sometimes the noob poster as well.

Excellent. I haven't laughed out loud at a post on Languish for a good while now. Thanks.  :lol:

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 11:15:58 AM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 11:13:28 AM
As a matter of fact, it is like the ecology system of Languish: Fresh meat appear and make their first uncertain steps, jumped quickly by the predators who happen to be close by chance.

Meh.  I had no such jumping.

Maybe you didn't reek of vulnerable noob when you arrived.  :P

It would be interesting to do a study on the subject, I think.

I guess it mainly has to do with the way that you enter public discourse. One of the new posters (I forget his name, the guy that joined the dog pile with only 6 posts or something like that) took his chance to join in an already on going feeding frenzy and getting splattered with the blood and gore probably helps put the Languish scent on him thus possibly avoiding making him a target later.

I don't know. I'm just speculating freely here.

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Quote from: Slargos on December 06, 2009, 11:40:15 AM
I guess it mainly has to do with the way that you enter public discourse. One of the new posters (I forget his name, the guy that joined the dog pile with only 6 posts or something like that) ...

I don't know how it fits into the ecology analysis, but I got the impression that there is a decent probability that the new poster is a sock. Quite possibly a monkeybutt sock. Just saying.

I'd never have a STL cardinal in my avatar.  :mad:

The only St. Louis fan we ever had on this forum was Vinraith and I think derspiezze

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 11:13:28 AM
It is being taken over by grumbler. 

I took over with a single post?  Kool!

QuoteAs a matter of fact, it is like the ecology system of Languish: Fresh meat appear and make their first uncertain steps, jumped quickly by the predators who happen to be close by chance. Alerted by the noise, the alpha trolls (Ed, Jaron, some others) arrive and tear the damaged noob apart. Some less heavy-weight but still prestigious posters use the chance to bite off small pieces here and there, while Martinus performs the cheerleader role acting as if he was part of the devouring.

As the noob-thread turns into a ravaged corpse, the main trolls start to lose interest, allowing grumbler, the scavenger, to do his special thing with it. When he is done, only bones and memories remain of the thread, and sometimes the noob poster as well.

And now you have taken over the dogpile. :(

I leave it to you.

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
The only St. Louis fan we ever had on this forum was Vinraith and I think derspiezze

And Paul A I think.

CINCINNATI REDS 4 LIFE. MARGE SCHOTT IN DA HOUSE.

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 11:13:28 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 09:34:04 AM
After enjoying a good 7 hours sleep, I come back and it is still going.
But I'm out of the dogpile. It bores me now. I'd dogpile Korea though. Naked.

It is being taken over by grumbler.

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I love ya Grumbles.

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
The only St. Louis fan we ever had on this forum was Vinraith and I think derspiezze

I like the Cardinals. Don't really follow baseball though.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 01:17:31 PM

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I love ya Grumbles.

:lmfao: :lmfao:

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 06, 2009, 01:23:21 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
The only St. Louis fan we ever had on this forum was Vinraith and I think derspiezze

I like the Cardinals. Don't really follow baseball though.

Then you in fact do NOT like the Cardinals. That would be like me saying I like mozard but I don't listen to classical music. Fucker.

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 01:24:19 PM
Then you in fact do NOT like the Cardinals. That would be like me saying I like mozard but I don't listen to classical music. Fucker.

Mozart's ok too.

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
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Fuckers are breeding like rabbits now.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
Fuckers are breeding like rabbits now.

You are some guy to say that.

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 02:14:09 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
Fuckers are breeding like rabbits now.

You are some guy to say that.

Your avatar makes me want to punch you in the nose.

Brian sucks.

And we must outbreed the subhumans.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 02:22:32 PM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 02:14:09 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
Fuckers are breeding like rabbits now.

You are some guy to say that.

Your avatar makes me want to punch you in the nose.

Brian sucks.

And we must outbreed the subhumans.

WTF Brian is the best character in the series. Well, my closest alter-ego in the show, which of course makes him the best of the bunch.

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 02:25:56 PM
my closest alter-ego in the show

:yeahright:

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 02:25:56 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 02:22:32 PM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 02:14:09 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
Fuckers are breeding like rabbits now.

You are some guy to say that.

Your avatar makes me want to punch you in the nose.

Brian sucks.

And we must outbreed the subhumans.

WTF Brian is the best character in the series. Well, my closest alter-ego in the show, which of course makes him the best of the bunch.

Now I want to punch you in the nose even harder.

It makes sense. Most Europeans consider gypsies to be like dogs, so what else would he pick? :D

Are you sure you're not more of a Stewie?

Quote from: Syt on December 06, 2009, 02:28:34 PM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 02:25:56 PM
my closest alter-ego in the show

:yeahright:

In RL, more and more I feel like that.

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 03:17:35 PM

Quote from: Syt on December 06, 2009, 02:28:34 PM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 02:25:56 PM
my closest alter-ego in the show

:yeahright:

In RL, more and more I feel like that.

Ah, pompous and smug.

I choose not to engage in this discussion

15 posts later

I choose not to engage in this discussion

I choose not to engage in this discussion.

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 11:13:28 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 09:34:04 AM
After enjoying a good 7 hours sleep, I come back and it is still going.
But I'm out of the dogpile. It bores me now. I'd dogpile Korea though. Naked.

It is being taken over by grumbler.

As a matter of fact, it is like the ecology system of Languish: Fresh meat appear and make their first uncertain steps, jumped quickly by the predators who happen to be close by chance. Alerted by the noise, the alpha trolls (Ed, Jaron, some others) arrive and tear the damaged noob apart. Some less heavy-weight but still prestigious posters use the chance to bite off small pieces here and there, while Martinus performs the cheerleader role acting as if he was part of the devouring.

As the noob-thread turns into a ravaged corpse, the main trolls start to lose interest, allowing grumbler, the scavenger, to do his special thing with it. When he is done, only bones and memories remain of the thread, and sometimes the noob poster as well.

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Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 11:15:58 AM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 11:13:28 AM
As a matter of fact, it is like the ecology system of Languish: Fresh meat appear and make their first uncertain steps, jumped quickly by the predators who happen to be close by chance.

Meh.  I had no such jumping.

I think I thought you were one of the douchey name changers from the original forum.

No, but thanks.  I was on the original forum under this name.

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This is the most comprehensible post that you've ever made.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 03:18:29 PM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 03:17:35 PM

Quote from: Syt on December 06, 2009, 02:28:34 PM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 02:25:56 PM
my closest alter-ego in the show

:yeahright:

In RL, more and more I feel like that.

Ah, pompous and smug.

Not exactly :P

Quote from: Slargos on December 06, 2009, 11:40:15 AM
I guess it mainly has to do with the way that you enter public discourse. One of the new posters (I forget his name, the guy that joined the dog pile with only 6 posts or something like that) took his chance to join in an already on going feeding frenzy and getting splattered with the blood and gore probably helps put the Languish scent on him thus possibly avoiding making him a target later.

I don't know. I'm just speculating freely here.

That is exactly what I was thinking. Actually I'm more of a natural lurker.  I tend to take any discourse, stories or witty remarks that this forum creates and claim it as my own among my group of friends.   Thus making me seem smarter that what I really am.  Actually I just posted because the dude seemed a bit whiny.

Quote from: Korea on December 06, 2009, 03:35:38 PM

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 11:15:58 AM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 11:13:28 AM
As a matter of fact, it is like the ecology system of Languish: Fresh meat appear and make their first uncertain steps, jumped quickly by the predators who happen to be close by chance.

Meh.  I had no such jumping.

I think I thought you were one of the douchey name changers from the original forum.

Hey, I'm a douchey name changer.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 05:27:19 PM

Quote from: Korea on December 06, 2009, 03:35:38 PM

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 11:15:58 AM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 11:13:28 AM
As a matter of fact, it is like the ecology system of Languish: Fresh meat appear and make their first uncertain steps, jumped quickly by the predators who happen to be close by chance.

Meh.  I had no such jumping.

I think I thought you were one of the douchey name changers from the original forum.

Hey, I'm a douchey name changer.

Indeed you are.

Quote from: Barrister on December 06, 2009, 05:30:08 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 05:27:19 PM

Quote from: Korea on December 06, 2009, 03:35:38 PM

Quote from: ulmont on December 06, 2009, 11:15:58 AM

Quote from: Tamas on December 06, 2009, 11:13:28 AM
As a matter of fact, it is like the ecology system of Languish: Fresh meat appear and make their first uncertain steps, jumped quickly by the predators who happen to be close by chance.

Meh.  I had no such jumping.

I think I thought you were one of the douchey name changers from the original forum.

Hey, I'm a douchey name changer.

Indeed you are.

You don't understand my agony.

Quote from: stjaba on December 06, 2009, 12:38:52 PM

Quote from: Slargos on December 06, 2009, 11:40:15 AM
I guess it mainly has to do with the way that you enter public discourse. One of the new posters (I forget his name, the guy that joined the dog pile with only 6 posts or something like that) ...

I don't know how it fits into the ecology analysis, but I got the impression that there is a decent probability that the new poster is a sock. Quite possibly a monkeybutt sock. Just saying.

Well yeah. It's certainly not an exact science.  :D

Haven't we had cases of longterm lurkers jumping in the deep end straight away though? My memory is as usual hazy but I could swear there must've been one or two.

Quote from: Vise on December 06, 2009, 05:19:12 PM

Quote from: Slargos on December 06, 2009, 11:40:15 AM
I guess it mainly has to do with the way that you enter public discourse. One of the new posters (I forget his name, the guy that joined the dog pile with only 6 posts or something like that) took his chance to join in an already on going feeding frenzy and getting splattered with the blood and gore probably helps put the Languish scent on him thus possibly avoiding making him a target later.

I don't know. I'm just speculating freely here.

That is exactly what I was thinking. Actually I'm more of a natural lurker.  I tend to take any discourse, stories or witty remarks that this forum creates and claim it as my own among my group of friends.   Thus making me seem smarter that what I really am.  Actually I just posted because the dude seemed a bit whiny.

Exactly.

Who the fuck are you?

Quote from: Slargos on December 06, 2009, 11:40:15 AMOne of the new posters (I forget his name, the guy that joined the dog pile with only 6 posts or something like that) took his chance to join in an already on going feeding frenzy and getting splattered with the blood and gore probably helps put the Languish scent on him thus possibly avoiding making him a target later.

I don't know. I'm just speculating freely here.

i am not splattered in blood  :mad:

:P

Was this the thread about Tim being an idiot?

Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 07:39:46 PM
Was this the thread about Tim being an idiot?

Nah, this one was about Slargos being a type of meatball.

This thread doesn't deliver. :(

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 06, 2009, 01:23:21 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
The only St. Louis fan we ever had on this forum was Vinraith and I think derspiezze

I like the Cardinals. Don't really follow baseball though.

I am also a Cards fan.

Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 07:39:46 PM
Was this the thread about Tim being an idiot?

i think it is about semantics  :)

Quote from: Lacroix on December 06, 2009, 07:47:44 PM

Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 07:39:46 PM
Was this the thread about Tim being an idiot?

i think it is about semantics  :)

Same thing.  Anyway, I am a well known anti-semantite.

Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 07:50:41 PM

Quote from: Lacroix on December 06, 2009, 07:47:44 PM

Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 07:39:46 PM
Was this the thread about Tim being an idiot?

i think it is about semantics  :)

Same thing.  Anyway, I am a well known anti-semantite.

that's a holocaust everyone can get behind!

Caliga and grumbler: You might think what I wrote was a poor characterization of libertarians in general, but I'm guessing you don't know what I was responding to, so how would you know if it was a strawman or not? Anyway it doesn't matter. I'm not going to defend my posts here where they're out of their context. Grumbler is right in saying I didn't come here to talk about that.

He's not right, however, saying I came here for the sympathy. :lmfao: I might as well start boxing for the hugs or go to prison for the companionship.

Since Stonewall called me a liar in public, and wouldn't let me defend myself, I thought I would call him on it in public. It would give people a chance to make up their own opinion of him. Throughout this thread I've made it a point *not* to talk bad about Stonewall, because I honestly wanted us to work something out. I am at liberty to say what I want to Stonewall because at Languish he has no moderator powers to hide behind and use to punish me for talking back to him (Neils oppressive regime is one I willingly subject myself to, as I find it much preferable). Yet I have said nothing bad of him. So ask yourselves this: Why would I be so careful to maintain civility with Stonewall if my motivation had been any other than clearing my name?

But I now see my name will not be cleared. Though not for lack of trying on my part, as the readers of this thread can attest to: the main criticism against me is that I have been trying too hard.

I didn't know much about Stonewall when I recently returned to EUOT after not having been there for many years. Many posts here have attested to his infamous moderating-style, and criticised me for being the least bit surprised. Well, I was. I like to think the best of people. When they say they care about liberty, I tend to believe them. When they say they care about things not standing in their way, when they say they believe in the sacrosanctity of credibility, when they say people must always be able to take what you say as being true even if it is not something they want to hear, yes, in all of these cases: I tend to take them at their words.

Unless their words and their actions do not correlate.

Stonewall, angry at finding himself unable to compete intellectually, and angry someone dared talk back to him, bent the rules of the game to win the discussion by moderator decree; a decree of slanderous lies and threats of giving punishment to any attempt of the accused to clear his name. I would rather leave than be his serf, and he would rather lie than let me leave in peace. Actions, as they say, speak louder than words.

Stonewall has shown his true face for all to see. Behind his mask of lies, his words have a different meaning. When he says he cares about liberty, he means liberty for himself and slavery for others, when he says he cares about things not standing in his way, he means things not standing in his way as he exercise his power over others, and when he says others must always be able to take what you say as being true even if it is not something they want to hear, he means others can not tell him what is true if it is not something he wants to hear - because then he will use his powers to silence this rebellion against his authority.

I'm probably not going to respond to any of the subsequent trolling in this thread, unless it's something really bad, or Stonewall replies. This post is to be read as me accusing Stonewall of being a liar and a hypocrite, but at least I do not forbid him to clear his name if he feels anything I have written to be in error. I sent a link to this post in a PM to Stonewall to make sure he's seen it. Thank you for your attention, gentlemen, you may, if you wish, commence your dogpiling. :)

You're a fucking liar

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 09:49:48 PM
You're a fucking liar

Compared to being just a liar like you?

:(  I want Miglia to tell me to fuck off.

Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 10:04:51 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 09:49:48 PM
You're a fucking liar

Compared to being just a liar like you?

I HATE LAIRS

Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 10:05:53 PM
:(  I want Miglia to tell me to fuck off.

You have a PM.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 09:47:28 PM
Caliga and grumbler: You might think what I wrote was a poor characterization of libertarians in general, but I'm guessing you don't know what I was responding to, so how would you know if it was a strawman or not? Anyway it doesn't matter. I'm not going to defend my posts here where they're out of their context. Grumbler is right in saying I didn't come here to talk about that.

TLDR

You really need to work on making your statements briefer.

I know it's not easy for you with all the big words and long sentences, Slargos. That's okay  :)

This is some high quality emo right here.

Congratulations on making one of the longest threads in recent history though.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 11:29:11 PM
I know it's not easy for you with all the big words and long sentences, Slargos. That's okay  :)

Off the mark again, Pat. The problem isn't your language, it's that if you're going to write boring and inconsequential nonsense, the least you can do is keep it short enough to wade through without having to stop for cigarette breaks and eye-rincing.

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 11:30:23 PM
Congratulations on making one of the longest threads in recent history though.

Most of it just seems to be 1000+ word posts by himself though.

Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 06, 2009, 11:33:03 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 11:30:23 PM
Congratulations on making one of the longest threads in recent history though.

Most of it just seems to be 1000+ word posts by himself though.

That would make it more significant in my eyes.

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 11:33:34 PM

Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 06, 2009, 11:33:03 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 11:30:23 PM
Congratulations on making one of the longest threads in recent history though.

Most of it just seems to be 1000+ word posts by himself though.

That would make it more significant in my eyes.

You contrarian motherfucker. One of these days I'm going to have to arrange that you're sent back to Mexico.

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 11:33:34 PM

Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 06, 2009, 11:33:03 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 11:30:23 PM
Congratulations on making one of the longest threads in recent history though.

Most of it just seems to be 1000+ word posts by himself though.

That would make it more significant in my eyes.

Anybody can fire up the ole spam bot.  In my opnion the threadstarter, whose name I can't remember at this point, should have gone for replies instead of verbal typed shitstreaming.

Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 06, 2009, 11:36:58 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 11:33:34 PM

Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 06, 2009, 11:33:03 PM

Quote from: Jaron on December 06, 2009, 11:30:23 PM
Congratulations on making one of the longest threads in recent history though.

Most of it just seems to be 1000+ word posts by himself though.

That would make it more significant in my eyes.

Anybody can fire up the ole spam bot.  In my opnion the threadstarter, whose name I can't remember at this point, should have gone for replies instead of verbal typed shitstreaming.

I should try to have my name changed to Pat, that's what most people seem to call me anyway.


As for the people who are not interested in reading, they're not the people I care about when I write anyway.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 11:43:37 PM
As for the people who are not interested in reading, they're not the people I care about when I write anyway.

As long as you realize that that's virtually all of Languish that you're talking about. :hug:

Quote from: DontSayBanana on December 06, 2009, 11:48:19 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 11:43:37 PM
As for the people who are not interested in reading, they're not the people I care about when I write anyway.

As long as you realize that that's virtually all of Languish that you're talking about. :hug:

If so, fine. But I know there are many members of Languish who *if* they read it, and agreed with me, wouldn't exactly come out and say it.




edit: And it *is* a bit ironic how you all claim not to be the least bit interested, when this *is* the longest and fastest-growing thread in quite some time.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 11:50:55 PM
If so, fine. But I know there are many members of Languish who *if* they read it, and agreed with me, wouldn't exactly come out and say it.

Speaking as one of the ones who *didn't* originate at EUOT, what I'm getting from this thread is that certain mods at EUOT are, by and large, dickheads.  This has kinda been accepted as general knowledge here for almost 7 years, so most posters are looking at it and going, "this is news?"

Quote from: DontSayBanana on December 06, 2009, 11:54:21 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 11:50:55 PM
If so, fine. But I know there are many members of Languish who *if* they read it, and agreed with me, wouldn't exactly come out and say it.

Speaking as one of the ones who *didn't* originate at EUOT, what I'm getting from this thread is that certain mods at EUOT are, by and large, dickheads.  This has kinda been accepted as general knowledge here for almost 7 years, so most posters are looking at it and going, "this is news?"

I never claimed it to be news.

Anyway I have to go again. Have fun trolling me when I'm gone.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 11:50:55 PM
edit: And it *is* a bit ironic how you all claim not to be the least bit interested, when this *is* the longest and fastest-growing thread in quite some time.

It's the emo shitstorm and flame war that people are interested in

Quote from: DontSayBanana on December 06, 2009, 11:54:21 PM

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 11:50:55 PM
If so, fine. But I know there are many members of Languish who *if* they read it, and agreed with me, wouldn't exactly come out and say it.

Speaking as one of the ones who *didn't* originate at EUOT, what I'm getting from this thread is that certain mods at EUOT are, by and large, dickheads.  This has kinda been accepted as general knowledge here for almost 7 years, so most posters are looking at it and going, "this is news?"

Indeed. What makes miglia exceptional though is that he has managed to make most of languish actually *support* the mod decision made in respect to him.

That is truly an astounding accomplishment, since most members of languish would not cross the street to piss on a EUOT mod if they were on fire.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 11:50:55 PM

If so, fine. But I know there are many members of Languish who *if* they read it, and agreed with me, wouldn't exactly come out and say it.


edit: And it *is* a bit ironic how you all claim not to be the least bit interested, when this *is* the longest and fastest-growing thread in quite some time.

You know what?  I've changed my position.  I agree with you mig.  Fuck all the haters, and libertarians and EUOT mods... and fuck your mother...



no seriously... i want to fuck your mom... that ok? And don't give me any BS about her being dead.. I can still get my purple wings if that's the case.

Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 11:57:55 PM
Indeed. What makes miglia exceptional though is that he has managed to make most of languish actually *support* the mod decision made in respect to him.

That is truly an astounding accomplishment, since most members of languish would not cross the street to piss on a EUOT mod if they were on fire.

Weren't you a one-time EUOT mod?  :unsure:

Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 12:08:44 AM

Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 11:57:55 PM
Indeed. What makes miglia exceptional though is that he has managed to make most of languish actually *support* the mod decision made in respect to him.

That is truly an astounding accomplishment, since most members of languish would not cross the street to piss on a EUOT mod if they were on fire.

Weren't you a one-time EUOT mod?  :unsure:

:) :yes:

I would gladly piss on Berkut if he were on fire then. :hug:






:unsure:

Those were the good old days, when EUOT was the place to go and have insighful an considered discussions about, well, everything. The forum was run with a firm, yet gentle and kindly hand, and everyone got along.

Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 12:30:29 AM
I would gladly piss on Berkut if he were on fire then. :hug:






:unsure:

and me?

Quote from: Jaron on December 07, 2009, 12:41:33 AM

Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 12:30:29 AM
I would gladly piss on Berkut if he were on fire then. :hug:






:unsure:

and me?

I would gladly piss on you Jaron. :hug:

That is so gay.

Quote from: miglia on December 06, 2009, 09:47:28 PMWhen he says he cares about liberty, he means liberty for himself and slavery for others...

You certainly have a flair for the dramatic.  Now that that's over, back to the fields Kunta. 

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QuoteThis post is to be read as me accusing Stonewall of being a liar and a hypocrite,

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Well, I'm back, and once again I see that while the cat was gone, the rats have been dancing on the table. Isn't it interesting how they gather their courage and write the worst things about me when they know I'm gone? Vise, I was right about you. You see I'm gone, and you see Berkut, one of the cool kids write something bad about me, and you suddenly find courage. You could never stand up against a whole forum because you know you're right, like I have done. You're a coward. And if I told you that in real life, you'd just take it and walk away.

Thanks for saying I'm right, though.

And as for replying indvidually instead of writing long posts, yes, that's what you want isn't it? So your advantage in numbers is felt, you bullying cowards. Sorry if I don't contribute to your forum experience by refusing to behave the way you want the new kid to behave, and sorry if I don't just take all the shit thrown at me. You say you don't care about what I have to say? Well I don't care about what you have to say. We both don't care. Splendid. Which means there's nothing to talk about. I've already said what I want to say here, so in case there's not something absolutely preposterous written, or Stonewall replies to my post, though I doubt it, I won't be writing any more in this thread (which I see has made the first page of threads of 129 sorted after replies, in a very short time, with only ~1800 views compared to the ~4800 views of next least viewed - you guys should be happy I started it, at least I brought some life to this place).


Edit: Well he did answer, but he didn't exactly disagree with my characterization of him. That's fine. And I'm very glad I'm entitled to my opinion, because if Stonewall was a moderator here, he'd have me banned. I'm out of here.

Bye!

 :lol: miglia you acted exactly as we want newbs to behave. And you will fit right in here if you manage to stay. Your whole posting style oozes Paradox OTism and you would do good for yourself to stay and adopt to Languish style.

Quote from: miglia on December 07, 2009, 02:05:49 AM
You're a coward. And if I told you that in real life, you'd just take it and walk away.

lol... awesome.  Actually dude, I'm taking full advantage of the anonymity of the internet.  As soon as this thread dies out I'll probably go back to lurking as usual. 

You are right, I would take it and walk away because someone I neither know nor care about called me a name...oohhhh, so upsetting.

I'm beginning to believe you don't really care about your argument with Stonewall. You just want some attention.  You remind me of Millhouse from the Simpsons.  By that I mean I imagine you as a short man with glasses.

Quote from: Tamas on December 07, 2009, 02:39:00 AM
:lol: miglia you acted exactly as we want newbs to behave. And you will fit right in here if you manage to stay. Your whole posting style oozes Paradox OTism and you would do good for yourself to stay and adopt to Languish style.

IIRC Miglia is the poster formerly known as PatMaster, and no newb.

Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 03:05:19 AM

Quote from: Tamas on December 07, 2009, 02:39:00 AM
:lol: miglia you acted exactly as we want newbs to behave. And you will fit right in here if you manage to stay. Your whole posting style oozes Paradox OTism and you would do good for yourself to stay and adopt to Languish style.

IIRC Miglia is the poster formerly known as PatMaster, and no newb.

That's correct. :hug: I've PMd the all-powerful god of the forum humbly requesting to have my name changed to Pat, since that seems to be what people call me anyway.


Sorry, knew I said I wasn't going to write again unless something really bad was written about me, but I didn't expect something nice to be written about me. :P Now I'm gone.

Quote from: miglia on December 07, 2009, 03:23:10 AM

Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 03:05:19 AM

Quote from: Tamas on December 07, 2009, 02:39:00 AM
:lol: miglia you acted exactly as we want newbs to behave. And you will fit right in here if you manage to stay. Your whole posting style oozes Paradox OTism and you would do good for yourself to stay and adopt to Languish style.

IIRC Miglia is the poster formerly known as PatMaster, and no newb.

That's correct. :hug: I've PMd the all-powerful god of the forum humbly requesting to have my name changed to Pat, since that seems to be what people call me anyway.


Sorry, knew I said I wasn't going to write again unless something really bad was written about me, but I didn't expect something nice to be written about me. :P Now I'm gone.

Being called "no newb" wasn't meant to count as "something nice" :P

But I hope you only mean you're gone from this thread, not the forum.

Probably the nicest thing I've been told in the whole thread. But yeah, out of the thread. After this post :P I hope.

Thank you for your consistent updates on your presence and absence in this thread.

Quote from: Tamas on December 07, 2009, 02:39:00 AM
:lol: miglia you acted exactly as we want newbs to behave. And you will fit right in here if you manage to stay. Your whole posting style oozes Paradox OTism and you would do good for yourself to stay and adopt to Languish style.

Not only that, but it's also a lot more fun to forcibly penetrate someone if they're kicking and screaming just a little.  :)

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 03:59:11 AM

Quote from: Tamas on December 07, 2009, 02:39:00 AM
:lol: miglia you acted exactly as we want newbs to behave. And you will fit right in here if you manage to stay. Your whole posting style oozes Paradox OTism and you would do good for yourself to stay and adopt to Languish style.

Not only that, but it's also a lot more fun to forcibly penetrate someone if they're kicking and screaming just a little.  :)

I'll have to take your word on that...

:huh:

Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 03:05:19 AM
IIRC Miglia is the poster formerly known as PatMaster, and no newb.

"Date Registered:     March 13, 2009"

That says n00b to me.  So does 447 posts.  The fact that a n00b may once have gone by a different name as a differnt n00b doesn't make him an old sweat.  That he was a member of EUOT for a while also doesn't mean he isn't a n00b here.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 03:59:11 AM

Quote from: Tamas on December 07, 2009, 02:39:00 AM
:lol: miglia you acted exactly as we want newbs to behave. And you will fit right in here if you manage to stay. Your whole posting style oozes Paradox OTism and you would do good for yourself to stay and adopt to Languish style.

Not only that, but it's also a lot more fun to forcibly penetrate someone if they're kicking and screaming just a little.  :)

Not gonna mention the hilarious "you are Dorsey" episode.  Not.... gonna...

Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2009, 08:53:34 AM
Not gonna mention the hilarious "you are Dorsey" episode.  Not.... gonna...

So, I was kicking and screaming, and I provided some entertainment.  You did too, by trying to be Sherlock Holmes and instead showing yourself to be Inspector Clouseau.

It's nice when we can reminisce about old times!

Well, if it's any consolation, I think Stonewall's a bad person.  Although that's mainly because he's the wrong kind of lawyer and also that he's an EUOT mod.

Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2009, 08:53:34 AM
Not gonna mention the hilarious "you are Dorsey" episode.  Not.... gonna...

Episode?

32 fucking pages? What in the name of fuck did you guys write about EUOT for 32 pages?

Quote from: Grey Fox on December 07, 2009, 10:42:56 AM
32 fucking pages? What in the name of fuck did you guys write about EUOT for 32 pages?

Other than the OP, nobody's had anything to say about EUOT. :mellow:

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 07, 2009, 10:46:59 AM

Quote from: Grey Fox on December 07, 2009, 10:42:56 AM
32 fucking pages? What in the name of fuck did you guys write about EUOT for 32 pages?

Other than the OP, nobody's had anything to say about EUOT. :mellow:

Obviously I didn't read the thread. I saw a gigantor size opening post that is so bad that it could have been written by me crying about how Stonewall disagreed with miglia, got his panties twisted & banned him from EUOT.

So, summarize?

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 09:10:26 AM
So, I was kicking and screaming, and I provided some entertainment.  You did too, by trying to be Sherlock Holmes and instead showing yourself to be Inspector Clouseau.

Ah, no.  All I did was say it a few times (not seriously), and watch the fireworks.  When you emailed Mommy Ank and tried to get him to make me stop picking on you, that was the best bit.

Quote from: Pat on December 05, 2009, 12:41:05 AM
Oh, and who's willing to bet it will be primarily libertarians who will suddenly be "not interested" in internet drama?

I'm a lefty and I'm not reading something that long to do with someone else's life when I don't know them terribly well, or well enough to care enough to comment or try to help.  Sorry but it's a very long, interminable post.

I humbly await the publishing of Miglia's enemies list.

Quote from: Habbaku on December 07, 2009, 11:36:17 AM
I humbly await the publishing of Miglia's enemies list.

I'll show you mine if you want.

It'd be a more entertaining read than all of Miglia's posts thus far.  Knock yourself out.

Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2009, 11:12:51 AM

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 09:10:26 AM
So, I was kicking and screaming, and I provided some entertainment.  You did too, by trying to be Sherlock Holmes and instead showing yourself to be Inspector Clouseau.

Ah, no.  All I did was say it a few times (not seriously), and watch the fireworks.  When you emailed Mommy Ank and tried to get him to make me stop picking on you, that was the best bit.

That's your story now, but that's not consistent with how you were acting back then.  Back when Dorsey secretly had an account with the Inner Circle access, he relayed to me how my IPs were looked at, and how you were looking on the Internet for dates of various exams to prove that I wasn't who I claimed I was.  That doesn't look like the actions of someone just out to troll me; I didn't have an Inner Circle account, so I couldn't be trolled by those investigations. 

What happened is that you seriously were trying to prove that I'm Dorsey, and when you realized how foolish you looked, you revised the story.  You tried to spin a rather idiotic attempt at being a dedective into a monumentally successful attempt at troll-baiting someone.  Sorry, I'm not that stupid, and I'm sure neither are the people who still remember the original thread.

ED'S ENEMIES, PART I (CORPORATIONS AND CITIES)

NCR
TOSHIBA
DAEWOO
SUN ( A retailer that is defunct)
HHGREGG
My caps lock key
The people that shrunk the twinkie
The maker of the Zinger
Graeter's, and the fuck that decides the prices
Orange Julius, and why there isn't one near me
The City of Oakwood
The City of Huber Heights
The village of Yellow Springs
Antioch College
The Police department of Yellow Springs

Later, after my nap: People

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 11:46:31 AM
That's your story now, but that's not consistent with how you were acting back then.  Back when Dorsey secretly had an account with the Inner Circle access, he relayed to me how my IPs were looked at, and how you were looking on the Internet for dates of various exams to prove that I wasn't who I claimed I was.  That doesn't look like the actions of someone just out to troll me; I didn't have an Inner Circle account, so I couldn't be trolled by those investigations. 

What happened is that you seriously were trying to prove that I'm Dorsey, and when you realized how foolish you looked, you revised the story.  You tried to spin a rather idiotic attempt at being a dedective into a monumentally successful attempt at troll-baiting someone.  Sorry, I'm not that stupid, and I'm sure neither are the people who still remember the original thread.

I thought the Guller/Dorsey inquisition took place after Jeb was exposed and Dorsey had left the forum. :unsure: :shifty:

What's wrong with the Zinger (presuming you mean the KFC one)?

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 11:46:31 AM

Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2009, 11:12:51 AM

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 09:10:26 AM
So, I was kicking and screaming, and I provided some entertainment.  You did too, by trying to be Sherlock Holmes and instead showing yourself to be Inspector Clouseau.

Ah, no.  All I did was say it a few times (not seriously), and watch the fireworks.  When you emailed Mommy Ank and tried to get him to make me stop picking on you, that was the best bit.

That's your story now, but that's not consistent with how you were acting back then.  Back when Dorsey secretly had an account with the Inner Circle access, he relayed to me how my IPs were looked at, and how you were looking on the Internet for dates of various exams to prove that I wasn't who I claimed I was.  That doesn't look like the actions of someone just out to troll me; I didn't have an Inner Circle account, so I couldn't be trolled by those investigations. 

What happened is that you seriously were trying to prove that I'm Dorsey, and when you realized how foolish you looked, you revised the story.  You tried to spin a rather idiotic attempt at being a dedective into a monumentally successful attempt at troll-baiting someone.  Sorry, I'm not that stupid, and I'm sure neither are the people who still remember the original thread.

Are you calling grumbler a liar???

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 07, 2009, 11:53:36 AM
I thought the Guller/Dorsey inquisition took place after Jeb was exposed and Dorsey had left the forum. :unsure: :shifty:

Yes, that's true.  However, also Dorsey had a couple of accounts that were banned afterwards from posting, but could still send PMs (which is how we kept in touch for a while).  He also says that he had an IC account for some time after Jeb was banned.  He was a resourceful poster.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 11:56:48 AM

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 07, 2009, 11:53:36 AM
I thought the Guller/Dorsey inquisition took place after Jeb was exposed and Dorsey had left the forum. :unsure: :shifty:

Yes, that's true.  However, also Dorsey had a couple of accounts that were banned afterwards from posting, but could still send PMs (which is how we kept in touch for a while).  He also says that he had an IC account for some time after Jeb was banned.  He was a resourceful poster.

So your accusations that grumbler is a liar are based on second hand information you got from Dorsey?

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 11:54:11 AM
Are you calling grumbler a liar???

I would be justified to in this instance, since he's clearly stating a fact he knows to be a false.  However, there is no need to rehash the old hostilities.  I'm just letting him know that I know some facts that he probably doesn't think I know (or else he wouldn't be trying to sell me that half-baked BS).

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 11:58:30 AM
So your accusations that grumbler is a liar are based on second hand information you got from Dorsey?

That information was corroborated in the future threads (there were three in total, I think).  I remember grumbler referring to IPs in one of the later threads, which matched what Dorsey relayed to me.  Someone's who's supposedly only trolling wouldn't be looking at IPs, would he? 

And besides, I don't need the information that Dorsey spied from IC to know that grumbler is full of it, I remember him trying every proof he could fling at the wall, and then forgetting about it when it didn't stick.  He's not that good of an actor for it to be an elaborate troll.

These latest posts from you only make me think you actually are Dorsey again.  :)

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 12:01:46 PM

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 11:54:11 AM
Are you calling grumbler a liar???

I would be justified to in this instance, since he's clearly stating a fact he knows to be a false.  However, there is no need to rehash the old hostilities.  I'm just letting him know that I know some facts that he probably doesn't think I know (or else he wouldn't be trying to sell me that half-baked BS).

But these "facts" that you know are not facts at all, are they?

Second hand information from someone who was rather well known for being a bit fast and loose with the facts himself is hardly a reasonable basis to accuse someone of being a liar, is it? Maybe Dorsey was lying to you.

Seems a little bit presumptuous to level such a serious accusation on such tenuous data. Accusing someone of being a liar without good reason is pretty bad, I recall someone once saying...

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 12:04:33 PM

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 11:58:30 AM
So your accusations that grumbler is a liar are based on second hand information you got from Dorsey?

That information was corroborated in the future threads (there were three in total, I think).  I remember grumbler referring to IPs in one of the later threads, which matched what Dorsey relayed to me.

So because some minor detail was corroborated (maybe), you are going to treat everything Dorsey told you as gospel?

And your accusation that grumbler is a liar is based on his supposed claim that he didn't really care - so why would he have mentioned IPs later - and that would clearly show he was NOT lying now, since he apparently has already admitted to it later?

Not that I support any of this of course - accusing grumbler of being a liar based on this stuff (even if it was true - after all grumbler could think it is no big deal, even if there was talk of your IP being tracked by someone) is rather pathetic really. Accusing someone of lying strictly as a debate tactic is poor form.

Quote from: Caliga on December 07, 2009, 12:04:59 PM
These latest posts from you only make me think you actually are Dorsey again.  :)

What can I say, I really don't like having my honesty questioned for shits and giggles.

Quote from: Caliga on December 07, 2009, 12:04:59 PM
These latest posts from you only make me think you actually are Dorsey again.  :)

Is Guller: schizophrenic? Otherwise he's either always been Dorsey or never been Dorsey. ;)

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 12:09:04 PM
And your accusation that grumbler is a liar is based on his supposed claim that he didn't really care - so why would he have mentioned IPs later - and that would clearly show he was NOT lying now, since he apparently has already admitted to it later?

He mentioned it in a context of "I know IPs don't show it, but I know he's a sock puppet, I'll prove it".  So, no, it doesn't quite show that.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 07, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Is Guller: schizophrenic? Otherwise he's either always been Dorsey or never been Dorsey. ;)

Yes, my wording in that post was: awkward.  :blush:

i believe you, dguller  :)

Quote from: Lacroix on December 07, 2009, 12:20:18 PM
i believe you, dguller  :)

Dorsey! :smarty:

Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 03:05:19 AM
IIRC Miglia is the poster formerly known as PatMaster, and no newb.

Are we sure he's not the same person as Drakken? Surely this level of smug hysteria can't be replicated.

Quote from: Caliga on December 07, 2009, 12:21:03 PM

Quote from: Lacroix on December 07, 2009, 12:20:18 PM
i believe you, dguller  :)

Dorsey! :smarty:

:lol:

dorsey must be the boogieman the way you people go on about him  :D

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 12:11:21 PM

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 12:09:04 PM
And your accusation that grumbler is a liar is based on his supposed claim that he didn't really care - so why would he have mentioned IPs later - and that would clearly show he was NOT lying now, since he apparently has already admitted to it later?

He mentioned it in a context of "I know IPs don't show it, but I know he's a sock puppet, I'll prove it".  So, no, it doesn't quite show that.

But it doesn't show that grumbler was looking at IPs either, much less that this is somehow evidence that he is lying NOW.

What we are left with is you accusing grumbler of being a liar base don't the word of someone else who we cannot substantiate *now*, and who you *knew* at the time had an axe to grind himself.

Why would you just accept what he says so uncritically, if in fact you are so careful to not level accusations of dishonesty on others? Sounds ot me like you are a-ok with calling someone else a liar, even on grounds you know are very weak.

Quote from: DGocriteWhat can I say, I really don't like having my honesty questioned for shits and giggles.

Have you ever heard of the Golden Rule?

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 12:30:58 PM
But it doesn't show that grumbler was looking at IPs either, much less that this is somehow evidence that he is lying NOW.

Grumbler claims that he always meant the Dorsey thing to be a troll.  Either looking at IPs himself, or having the mods look at IPs, indicates that he was seriously investigating the possibility.

Quote from: Maximus on December 07, 2009, 12:24:31 PM

Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2009, 03:05:19 AM
IIRC Miglia is the poster formerly known as PatMaster, and no newb.

Are we sure he's not the same person as Drakken? Surely this level of smug hysteria can't be replicated.

This guy knows Swedish, which no matter how hard he wishes he did, is something Drakken doesn't know.

Dorsey4Scary

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 12:35:36 PM

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 12:30:58 PM
But it doesn't show that grumbler was looking at IPs either, much less that this is somehow evidence that he is lying NOW.

Grumbler claims that he always meant the Dorsey thing to be a troll.  Either looking at IPs himself, or having the mods look at IPs, indicates that he was seriously investigating the possibility.

But you ahven't shown a lick of evidence that grumbler looked at IPs or "had mods look at IPs". What is more, even YOU do not have any such evidence, except the word of someone you knew was not honest himself.

So again, we are left with you making accusations that you yourself have claimed to be very serious, and in fact have claimed that accusing someone of lying without good cause is as bad, or nearly as bad as lying yourself.

It seems like your aversion to being called a liar is purely personal in nature - you sure would not like someone else doing so, but are quite content to slap the label out there yourself as a means of attacking someone, even when you know the accusation is largely without merit.

Berkut, you're also assuming that I don't remember grumbler spending pages upon pages of assembling proofs, like my posting history and such.  If that was all part of a master troll, then if I were grumbler, I'd just lie and pretend that I was seriously investigating.  It would make me look less sad that way. 

Based on preponderence of evidence that's all consistent with each other, there is no reasonable way that grumbler wasn't for some period of time really trying to prove that I was Dorsey.  Is Dorsey's word 100% reliable?  Given his history, probably not.  However, he's never been dishonest with me that I know of, and it would take a lot of imagination on his part to make up lies so specific, and that parts of which would later be independently confirmed. 

Is my case rock-solid beyond a shadow of a doubt?  No, and with old Languish gone, it'll never be.  Is it beyond a reasonable doubt?  Most certainly.  I'm comfortable with implying that someone is a liar by that standard, that's still way stricter than what you managed historically.

Anyway, I've stated my case, and in more posts than I wanted to.  I know that you already had the conclusion ready with my first post, that I accuse other people of being liears lightly myself, and with each successive post you'll just amend your arguments to fit that conclusion.  Given the feeble nature of your attempts so far, I feel safe in letting you have the last word.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 12:43:50 PM
Is my case rock-solid beyond a shadow of a doubt?

your case isn't shadow solid beyond the shadow of a rock. You have no case at all.

Quote
  No, and with old Languish gone, it'll never be.

It would not be even if every single PM between you and Dorset4Liar where available, because it is based completely on hearsay from someone who was telling you what you desperately wanted to hear, in all likelihood/

Quote

  Is it beyond a reasonable doubt?  Most certainly. 

Not even close to a reasonable doubt, much less beyond it. The evidence would not even be admissible in a court room, much less convincing.

"Some guy told me that someone else said something elsewhere! Totally!"

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I'm comfortable with implying that someone is a liar by that standard, that's still way stricter than what you managed historically.

I think you are lying - I've never made any such accusation based on no evidence but the double secret word of someone with an axe to grind that could not be substantiated in any way at all.

But since when was this about me? Is your standard of acceptable proof for accusations now "As long as Dorsey says so, and it is better than the standard that asshole berkut uses", rather than actually being certain someone is lying, rather than just arguing with you? I thought you had this noble and objective standard of personal behaviour that does not include accusing others of lying as part of a debate?

What is this historical examples you are speaking of? I think we have a current example - this thread - of you accusing someone of lying without any objective evidence. Where is the example of me doing the same?

Of course, just to be clear, I am NOT the one playing the faux martyr about someone saying I am lying - who fucking cares? Only someone very insecure about their integrity would get worked up over anonymous people on the internet "questioning" it, at least in my opinion. That is just an opinion though, not a fact, so please don't call me a liar over it later, even if Jaron sends you double secret messages about what I say in TBR.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 12:51:43 PM
Anyway, I've stated my case, and in more posts than I wanted to.  I know that you already had the conclusion ready with my first post, that I accuse other people of being liears lightly myself, and with each successive post you'll just amend your arguments to fit that conclusion.  Given the feeble nature of your attempts so far, I feel safe in letting you have the last word.

:lmfao:

Sound the retreat, fucking Berkut went and called me on my bullshit AGAIN!

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 12:53:05 PM
:lmfao:

Sound the retreat, fucking Berkut went and called me on my bullshit AGAIN!

That's not a retreat, at some point you just have to make your point and move on, and I've got work to do.  The truthfulness of one's posts is not determined by one's stamina, or ability to repeat the same thing over and over. 

I wish I could link up to old Languish, and show the original thread.  I wish I could also show your post in that thread, where you matter-of-factly call me a proven liar.  Unfortuantely, I can't, so you can feign outrage to your heart's desire without being factually disproven.

You didn't call me on bullshit, and I challenge other posters who observed the events back then to tell me that I remember things wrongly (or, to confirm that they remember them as I do).  Obviously, only posters of good reputation need apply.

Honestly, I have no recollection of this other than people called you Dorsey and you claimed you were not Dorsey.  I can confirm that there was an IC thread on your identity, but that sort of thread was not an unusual occurrence--nearly ever new registered nick got such a thread if that person's posting style resembled someone else's, or if the new poster's arrival was coincidentally timed with another poster's seemingly-permanent departure (e.g. Sir Hockey -> Sir Hockey Handle #2 -> Sir Hockey Handle #3 (honestly I can't recall his other handles now)).

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 01:10:02 PM

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 12:53:05 PM
:lmfao:

Sound the retreat, fucking Berkut went and called me on my bullshit AGAIN!

That's not a retreat, at some point you just have to make your point and move on, and I've got work to do. 

You could start that process by actually making your point though. You seem to skip right to the "moving on" part when your "point" is failed.

Quote
The truthfulness of one's posts is not determined by one's stamina, or ability to repeat the same thing over and over. 

Isn't that the truth. The truth of ones posts are not dis-proven by assertions from you, either, even when they are based on double secret communications from Deep Dorsey.

Quote
I wish I could link up to old Languish, and show the original thread.  I wish I could also show your post in that thread, where you matter-of-factly call me a proven liar.

Oh, I don't doubt that I have called you a liar in the past - but it certainly was never based on double secret communications from banned posters telling me what you supposedly said in some other secret forum I could not read. Rather, I suspect it was based on your own posts.

Quote
  Unfortuantely, I can't, so you can feign outrage to your heart's desire without being factually disproven.

No outrage here, feigned or otherwise. This is some funny shit, are you kidding? Hoisting you on your own petard is hilarious.

Quote
You didn't call me on bullshit, and I challenge other posters who observed the events back then to tell me that I remember things wrongly (or, to confirm that they remember them as I do).  Obviously, only posters of good reputation need apply.

Ahh, so if you are wrong it is because you "remembered things wrongly", rather than just lying? Of course, that does not apply to anyone else - they are just damned dirty liars.

NOT THAT YOU WOULD EVER MAKE THAT ACCUSATION LIGHTLY, NO SIR!!!!

Only if Dorsey tells you so...

Quote from: Caliga on December 07, 2009, 01:14:59 PM
Honestly, I have no recollection of this other than people called you Dorsey and you claimed you were not Dorsey.  I can confirm that there was an IC thread on your identity, but that sort of thread was not an unusual occurrence--nearly ever new registered nick got such a thread if that person's posting style resembled someone else's, or if the new poster's arrival was coincidentally timed with another poster's seemingly-permanent departure (e.g. Sir Hockey -> Sir Hockey Handle #2 -> Sir Hockey Handle #3 (honestly I can't recall his other handles now)).

You sir, are a damned liar. Dorsey said it didn't happen that way, and Dorsey would never fib!

I think Peter Wiggins was involved in that thread quite closely.  I wonder what he remembers.

Quote from: Caliga on December 07, 2009, 01:14:59 PM
Honestly, I have no recollection of this other than people called you Dorsey and you claimed you were not Dorsey.  I can confirm that there was an IC thread on your identity, but that sort of thread was not an unusual occurrence--nearly ever new registered nick got such a thread if that person's posting style resembled someone else's, or if the new poster's arrival was coincidentally timed with another poster's seemingly-permanent departure (e.g. Sir Hockey -> Sir Hockey Handle #2 -> Sir Hockey Handle #3 (honestly I can't recall his other handles now)).

I still suspect Dguller of being Dorsey.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 11:46:31 AM
That's your story now, but that's not consistent with how you were acting back then.  Back when Dorsey secretly had an account with the Inner Circle access, he relayed to me how my IPs were looked at, and how you were looking on the Internet for dates of various exams to prove that I wasn't who I claimed I was.  That doesn't look like the actions of someone just out to troll me; I didn't have an Inner Circle account, so I couldn't be trolled by those investigations. 

Ah, the old "double-plus secret" story of what really must have been happening!  :lol:

I did check to see if there was an exam date when someone said there was, but I didn't do that to prove anything to anyone but myself.  All of this "Inspector Clouseau" stuff you note is stuff you say happened but have no evidence for (and, in fact, obtained from a "friend" who happened to have a "secret account."  The stuff I am talking about occurred in front of god and everybody.

I can confirm that grumbler was 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey. That, or grumbler lied about being 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey.

But I seriously think that the thread should get back to whatever the fuck it was doing before the Dorsey4Guller stuff came up again.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 12:01:46 PM
I would be justified to in this instance, since he's clearly stating a fact he knows to be a false.  However, there is no need to rehash the old hostilities.  I'm just letting him know that I know some facts that he probably doesn't think I know (or else he wouldn't be trying to sell me that half-baked BS).

I am not trying to sell you anything.  I am just reminiscing about a very funny episode in Languish history.  One you are trying, unsuccessfully, to turn into a case of me (secretly) looking bad.  Was there an IC thread in which I wondered if maybe I was accidentally right?  Sure.  Did someone point out that the IP addresses made that impossible?  Yep. Did I abandon the idea after looking into it?  Yep.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 12:11:21 PM
He mentioned it in a context of "I know IPs don't show it, but I know he's a sock puppet, I'll prove it".  So, no, it doesn't quite show that.

I don't have access to IPs.  Are you 100% sure your quote is accurate?

Quote from: The Brain on December 07, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
I can confirm that grumbler was 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey. That, or grumbler lied about being 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey.

That's my recollection, except more like 100%.

QuoteBut I seriously think that the thread should get back to whatever the fuck it was doing before the Dorsey4Guller stuff came up again.

You mean the miglia/Stoner feud?  That means someone would have to read the OP. :(

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 12:35:36 PM
Grumbler claims that he always meant the Dorsey thing to be a troll.

No, that isn't what i am saying.  I am saying that it started that way on the main forum, and pretty much stayed that way.  For a while in the IC, there was some doubt.  But that doubt was based entirely on your hysterical reaction to the charge, not because of anything a priori.  The actual facts didn't support the idea, though.

QuoteEither looking at IPs himself, or having the mods look at IPs, indicates that he was seriously investigating the possibility.

Never happened.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2009, 01:40:19 PM

Quote from: The Brain on December 07, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
But I seriously think that the thread should get back to whatever the fuck it was doing before the Dorsey4Guller stuff came up again.

You mean the miglia/Stoner feud?  That means someone would have to read the OP. :(

The OP.  :x

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2009, 01:40:19 PM
You mean the miglia/Stoner feud?  That means someone would have to read the OP. :(

Disagree. It was quite entertaining just from Migla feeling he had to respond to every troll.

Quote from: The Brain on December 07, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
I can confirm that grumbler was 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey. That, or grumbler lied about being 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey.

Sounds about 70% likely to be correct, at least at one point.  All in the IC, though, IIRC.

QuoteBut I seriously think that the thread should get back to whatever the fuck it was doing before the Dorsey4Guller stuff came up again.

But, even after these years, the DG/Dorsey stuff is still dynamite!

I will drop it, though, because you ask.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2009, 01:40:19 PM

Quote from: The Brain on December 07, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
I can confirm that grumbler was 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey. That, or grumbler lied about being 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey.

That's my recollection, except more like 100%.

Thank you both.  I feel vindicated (not that I ever doubted that I remembered things correctly, but memory can be tricky in nasty ways).

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2009, 01:40:19 PM

Quote from: The Brain on December 07, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
I can confirm that grumbler was 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey. That, or grumbler lied about being 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey.

That's my recollection, except more like 100%.

QuoteBut I seriously think that the thread should get back to whatever the fuck it was doing before the Dorsey4Guller stuff came up again.

You mean the miglia/Stoner feud?  That means someone would have to read the OP. :(

My recollection is that Grumbler frequently (well at least more than once) believed that different posters were really puppets of others.

Quote from: Rasputin on December 07, 2009, 01:56:41 PM
My recollection is that Grumbler frequently (well at least more than once) believed that different posters were really puppets of others.

The whole "he's a sock" comment is actually a languish meme.  When you've been here for a while, you will find that pretty much everyone uses it.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 01:21:16 PM
I think Peter Wiggins was involved in that thread quite closely.  I wonder what he remembers.

:unsure:

A thread where Berkut called you a liar? I'm sure there were a bunch of those.

Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2009, 02:00:36 PM

Quote from: Rasputin on December 07, 2009, 01:56:41 PM
My recollection is that Grumbler frequently (well at least more than once) believed that different posters were really puppets of others.

The whole "he's a sock" comment is actually a languish meme.  When you've been here for a while, you will find that pretty much everyone uses it.

Whatever you say, Ed.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 01:50:35 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2009, 01:40:19 PM

Quote from: The Brain on December 07, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
I can confirm that grumbler was 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey. That, or grumbler lied about being 70% sure that DGuller was Dorsey.

That's my recollection, except more like 100%.

Thank you both.  I feel vindicated (not that I ever doubted that I remembered things correctly, but memory can be tricky in nasty ways).

You feel vindicated that neither of them supported your claim that Dorsey was checking your IP and/or having other check your IP, and was NOT simply getting his giggles from messing with you?

This is one of those "heads I won, tails you lose" deals, isn't it?

Quote from: Syt on December 07, 2009, 11:53:51 AM
What's wrong with the Zinger (presuming you mean the KFC one)?

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dsmlink.com%2Fimages%2Fforums%2Fzingers.jpg&hash=4592aff204d5072086ec930f8d79c6e4d6fdc8c9)

One thing is sure - despite our initial differences, DGuller has proven to be a much more friendly, useful and nice poster than Berkut and grumbler combined.

Quote from: Slargos on December 07, 2009, 02:14:57 PM

Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2009, 02:00:36 PM

Quote from: Rasputin on December 07, 2009, 01:56:41 PM
My recollection is that Grumbler frequently (well at least more than once) believed that different posters were really puppets of others.

The whole "he's a sock" comment is actually a languish meme.  When you've been here for a while, you will find that pretty much everyone uses it.

Whatever you say, Ed.  :rolleyes:

Don't make me break your post down sentence by sentence.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 07, 2009, 01:40:19 PM
That's my recollection, except more like 100%.

My recollection as well.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 07, 2009, 02:14:17 PM

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 01:21:16 PM
I think Peter Wiggins was involved in that thread quite closely.  I wonder what he remembers.

:unsure:

A thread where Berkut called you a liar? I'm sure there were a bunch of those.

The thread where grumbler first made his accusation about me being Dorsey.  Berkut did call me a liar in the same thread when he entered it later, oddly enough while expressing doubt about grumbler's theory, but I don't expect anyone to remember that part.

Quote from: Martinus on December 07, 2009, 02:17:43 PM
One thing is sure - despite our initial differences, DGuller has proven to be a much more friendly, useful and nice poster than Berkut and grumbler combined.

I think I can speak for Berkut as well when I say this is the nicest compliment that you have handed out on Languish in weeks.  If you disapprove of my posts, they must say what I want them to say.

Quote from: Martinus on December 07, 2009, 02:17:43 PM
One thing is sure - despite our initial differences, DGuller has proven to be a much more friendly, useful and nice poster than Berkut and grumbler combined.

:hug:

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 02:28:50 PM

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 07, 2009, 02:14:17 PM

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 01:21:16 PM
I think Peter Wiggins was involved in that thread quite closely.  I wonder what he remembers.

:unsure:

A thread where Berkut called you a liar? I'm sure there were a bunch of those.

The thread where grumbler first made his accusation about me being Dorsey.  Berkut did call me a liar in the same thread when he entered it later, oddly enough while expressing doubt about grumbler's theory, but I don't expect anyone to remember that part.

I do recall doubting that you were Dorsey, but I don't recall calling you a liar. Which isn't to say it didn't happen, since you do have a reputation for playing rather fast and lose with the facts and such at times.

Which is really what leads to all this - it isn't such a big deal that you are calling grumbler a liar on such preposterous grounds, but the fact that you pretend to be this paragon of integrity when we all know you are perfectly content tossing around accusations and mud with the best of them. your hypocrisy is really the thing that is most delicious. Well, maybe second most, after your rather astounding ego.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 02:34:08 PM

Quote from: Martinus on December 07, 2009, 02:17:43 PM
One thing is sure - despite our initial differences, DGuller has proven to be a much more friendly, useful and nice poster than Berkut and grumbler combined.

:hug:

Sweet, you now have, in your corner:

Dorsey4Heisman
Fate
Jaron
Marty
Fireblade

DG - he only runs with the most honest and stand up posters on Languish!

Psst, ask marty what we are talking about in TBR!

Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 02:39:31 PM
I do recall doubting that you were Dorsey, but I don't recall calling you a liar. Which isn't to say it didn't happen, since you do have a reputation for playing rather fast and lose with the facts and such at times.

Only in your mind.  In your mind, you also though I had a reputation for commiserating with Hansy, as a fellow extermist.  Enough said.

QuoteWhich is really what leads to all this - it isn't such a big deal that you are calling grumbler a liar on such preposterous grounds,

Doesn't seem preposterous.  As I said, and as you conveniently ignored, I didn't need Dorsey's spying to know that grumbler was serious, I just needed the original thread that was public.  There wasn't any reasonable doubt to be had there.  It seems that everyone who piped in so far remembers the thread the same way I do. 

If grumbler was serious originally (and not only later, for a short moment, as he claims), then he's lying, and there is nothing preposterous about calling it such.  Also notice how conveniently grumbler stops addressing the matter once people after Brain starts confirming my recollection.  I know you're antsy to show me calling people liars frivolously, but it seems like you'll have to wait for an example more suited to your needs.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 02:28:50 PM
The thread where grumbler first made his accusation about me being Dorsey.  Berkut did call me a liar in the same thread when he entered it later, oddly enough while expressing doubt about grumbler's theory, but I don't expect anyone to remember that part.

I don't remember many solid details, just impressions. I thought Grumbler believed it, but if he says it was an elaborate troll now, maybe it was. I have a hard enough time understanding grumbler in current threads, much less in memories from several years ago.

Quote from: DGuller on December 07, 2009, 02:51:46 PM
Doesn't seem preposterous.  As I said, and as you conveniently ignored, I didn't need Dorsey's spying to know that grumbler was serious, I just needed the original thread that was public.  There wasn't any reasonable doubt to be had there.  It seems that everyone who piped in so far remembers the thread the same way I do.   

The original thread doesn't say whether I was serious or not, because I would, of course, have claimed to be serious in the original thread, for that its the nature of that kind of hyper-successful chain-yanking.  Each time anyone claimed to believe the accusation, your voice rose an octave, until it reached a pitch capable of shattering glass.

Everyone has spoken up remembers the thread the way I do, as well.  Yi probably did think I was 100% sure.  That was the impression I was trying to give you.

QuoteIf grumbler was serious originally (and not only later, for a short moment, as he claims), then he's lying, and there is nothing preposterous about calling it such.

What is preposterous is saying that you know better than I do what I actually thought and meant, despite the fact that you have no evidence!  :lmfao:

Had Dorsey been honest enough to send you all of the IC posts, they would have included the very post in which i said there that I had just been kidding the first time I said it, but that your shrill and hysterical response may me wonder if I wasn't right.  Kinda funny that he just forgot that post (or that you forgot that he sent it to you).  Almost... dishonest.

QuoteAlso notice how conveniently grumbler stops addressing the matter once people after Brain starts confirming my recollection.  I know you're antsy to show me calling people liars frivolously, but it seems like you'll have to wait for an example more suited to your needs.

Well, I tried to meet the Brian's desire to see us go back to the original point, but it is obvious that you are going to create another "I know what he is thinking more than he does so he is a liar" points out of it, so I will gladly return to the point.

Did your buddy Dorsey send the secret IC messages where other members of the IC announced that they, too, thought that you were likely Dorsey?  Do you even recall in the open thread where they expressed such doubts? Or isn't your memory honest enough to remember that?

I really wish the original thread was still available.  The part where you were bawling like a baby about how some mean teacher called you Dorsey back when you were an impressionable youth (or something like that; it was a "mean teacher" moment) is a part I would like to re-read.

This whole "grumbler is a liar" bit bothers me not at all, especially coming from you.  When you, of all people, get up on that high horse about people's integrity (and challenges thereto) I just laugh.  The idea of you and Dorsey exchanging PMs about what his secret agent activities are revealing about the IC conversation just cracks me up.  Just making two "adults" have such an absurd secret conversation justifies the effort, and getting you to now admit it is even more delicious!

I mean, you are actually proud that you and Dorsey had that conversation and tried to figure out what was "secretly" happening!  :lol:

I dont suppose I could get a summary.  I didnt read the first post since I was actually posting in the said Health Care Paradox thread at the time so I had some idea about what had occured but how the heck did we get into the posts at the tail end of this thread?

Quote from: crazy canuck on December 07, 2009, 03:28:54 PM
I dont suppose I could get a summary.  I didnt read the first post since I was actually posting in the said Health Care Paradox thread at the time so I had some idea about what had occured but how the heck did we get into the posts at the tail end of this thread?

DGuller stood up for reputation and being called a liar, that segued into the Great DGuller/Dorsey Controversy.

Quote from: crazy canuck on December 07, 2009, 03:28:54 PM
I dont suppose I could get a summary.  I didnt read the first post since I was actually posting in the said Health Care Paradox thread at the time so I had some idea about what had occured but how the heck did we get into the posts at the tail end of this thread?

DorseyGuller backed Pat, and said that Stoney was a jerk for calling Pat a liar without any evidence, and then called me a liar without any evidence.  Marti backed DG, and Berkut took DG to task.  Much hilarity ensued.

Mostly inside jokes, though.  Not worth catching up if you missed it to this point.

a topic regarding one's own reputation on message boards has as many posts as a thread about a western nation's blatant xenophobia. languish really is narcissistic  :(

Quote from: Lacroix on December 07, 2009, 03:43:16 PM
a topic regarding one's own reputation on message boards has as many posts as a thread about a western nation's blatant xenophobia. languish really is narcissistic  :(

I think schadenfreude has fueled this thread more than narcissism.

Quote from: grumbler on December 07, 2009, 03:37:33 PM

Quote from: crazy canuck on December 07, 2009, 03:28:54 PM
I dont suppose I could get a summary.  I didnt read the first post since I was actually posting in the said Health Care Paradox thread at the time so I had some idea about what had occured but how the heck did we get into the posts at the tail end of this thread?

DorseyGuller ...

:lol:

maybe both? between the dguller/migilia and berkut/grumbler/slargos/random-posters groups, it seem to fit both bills

I take no pleasure from poor DGs discomfort with being caught out like that.

Everybody,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4jbmAJ44Po&feature=player_embedded

The more you know.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 07, 2009, 04:11:27 PM
Everybody,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4jbmAJ44Po&feature=player_embedded

The more you know.

Stop trying to make us watch your damn YTMND's, dammit!

Quote from: katmai on December 07, 2009, 04:12:29 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 07, 2009, 04:11:27 PM
Everybody,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4jbmAJ44Po&feature=player_embedded

The more you know.

Stop trying to make us watch your damn YTMND's, dammit!

STOP OPENING WOUNDS.

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 07, 2009, 04:14:24 PM

Quote from: katmai on December 07, 2009, 04:12:29 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on December 07, 2009, 04:11:27 PM
Everybody,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4jbmAJ44Po&feature=player_embedded

The more you know.

Stop trying to make us watch your damn YTMND's, dammit!

STOP OPENING WOUNDS.

I thought  that was where this thread had gone!?

Lets see:

I have a huge army of sock accounts
I make YTMNDs
I fuck jailbait


Anything else? Remember, I am one insult away from either writing a huge long ass post at EUOT complaining about this place or stuffing my face with a gallon of ice cream while listening to Hawthorne Heights.