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QuoteRAY LEWIS' NEW CONTRACT IS A SEVEN-YEAR DEAL
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 10, 2009, 4:43 p.m.

Baltimore Ravens All-Pro middle linebacker Ray Lewis' contract, which he officially signed Monday, is a seven-year, incentive-laden pact, according to NFL Players Association records.

It's not a three-year, $22 million contract as originally reported.

Per Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports, Lewis received $15.5 million in guaranteed money in an intricate structure that pays the two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year a total of $10 million during the 2009 season. According to the article, Lewis gets a $6.25 million signing bonus, a $2.75 million roster bonus and a $1 million base salary.

The Ravens have option-year decisions to make in 2010 and 2011. A 10-time Pro Bowl selection, Lewis has a $1.25 million option bonus in 2010 with a $4.25 million base salary.

His 2011 option bonus goes up to $2 million with a base salary raise of an additional $250,000 from his 2010 compensation level.

An NFLPA source told Cole: "The reason for doing it this way is to deal with the salary cap, assuming that there's a cap again. It's just a way of handling the proration on the signing bonus and the other money."

Per NFLPA records we've seen, Lewis is due the following base salaries: $1 million in 2009, $4.25 million 2010, $4.5 million in 2011, $4.95 million in 2012, $5.4 million in 2013, $5.85 million in 2014 and $6.3 million in 2015.

Of course, it's extremely unlikely that Lewis will be playing middle linebacker when he's 40 years old. Lewis turns 34 in May.

Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 10, 2009, 03:54:54 PM
Vince's thread wasn't good enough for you? ;)

Quote from: Strix on March 10, 2009, 01:28:31 PM
Steelers are starting to shed dead weight, McFadden and Anthony Smith.

That is all!

Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2009, 04:40:38 PM
Hey strix me hard drive died over weekend, so that's why i didn't get LFBB setup.

Quote from: Strix on March 10, 2009, 01:28:31 PM
Steelers are starting to shed dead weight, McFadden and Anthony Smith.

That is all!

Quote from: Stonewall on March 11, 2009, 03:48:33 PM
McFadden was a good player, but not worth the money Arizona gave him.  Smith was just a roster spot taken by someone who choked when it was his turn to play.  We need a 3rd wide receiver.  As much as I think Sweed has potential, he's clearly not ready to feature regularly in the offense and Hines Ward has seen better days.  Receiver is a huge need, as is the O-Line and D-Line.  Thankfully the D-Line problems are more to do with age than performance.

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Kurt Warner might get to keep his $2 million, after all.

A league source tells us that the Arizona Cardinals are shopping receiver Anquan Boldin to potential trade partners.

Warner recently has suggested that he'd devote a portion of his salary to signing Boldin to a new contract.  (We don't think Warner really means it.)

Boldin, a six-year veteran, is signed through 2010.  He has wanted for roughly a year a significant increase from his current range of $2.5 million to $3 million.

With teammate Larry Fitzgerald at $10 million per year, Boldin is believed to want at least $9 million annually.

Boldin previously has requested a trade.  At one point after the Super Bowl, Boldin said that he would not sign a new deal with the Cardinals, and that he wanted to be dealt to a new team.  More recently, he had softened in his position, expressing a willingness to consider a new long-term contract to stay with the team.

Quote from: JacobL on March 12, 2009, 03:13:02 PM
It seems sadly people prefer this thread to mine for some foolish reason.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 12, 2009, 04:52:39 PM
Has anybody seen any decent draft predictions?

QuoteAfter apparently blowing off the team's owner Pat Bowlen twice, Cutler then took a confernce call with the front office this week and heard what he wanted to hear according to the Denver Post:

According to an NFL source, Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler came away from a conference call with team officials Monday believing that for the right deal, he would be traded between now and the NFL draft, which begins April 25.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels would not comment, but a source close to the team said Broncos officials had a different interpretation of how the conference call went.

McDaniels was joined on one end of the conference call by Broncos owner Pat Bowlen, general manager Brian Xanders and chief operating officer Joe Ellis. Cutler was in Nashville, Tenn., during the call and was accompanied by his agent, Bus Cook.

Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 11, 2009, 03:25:03 PM

Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2009, 04:40:38 PM
Hey strix me hard drive died over weekend, so that's why i didn't get LFBB setup.

It is the works though?  As per usual, count me in.  Hell, I think I was a player in the KAPland league before you.  I have: seniority!

Quote from: Vince on March 12, 2009, 04:57:33 PM
:yeah:

Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 13, 2009, 04:13:03 AM

Quote from: Vince on March 12, 2009, 04:57:33 PM
:yeah:

Gotta support my CNY bro!  Hehe.  We should organize a Utica-Rome Languish Meet. 8)

Quote from: JacobL on March 12, 2009, 03:13:02 PM
It seems sadly people prefer this thread to mine for some foolish reason.

Quote from: Vince on March 13, 2009, 07:17:59 AM
As long as there isn't 2 feet of snow on the ground sure.

Quote from: katmai on March 12, 2009, 09:04:51 PM
::) considering i have been the one creating and maintaning the leagues since kapland doubtful :p

Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 15, 2009, 04:22:45 PM

Quote from: katmai on March 12, 2009, 09:04:51 PM
::) considering i have been the one creating and maintaning the leagues since kapland doubtful :p

Even the one IP set up?

Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 13, 2009, 03:39:25 PM

Quote from: Vince on March 13, 2009, 07:17:59 AM
As long as there isn't 2 feet of snow on the ground sure.

So... July?

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Posted about 1 hour ago

Patriots appear primed to make a deal with Panthers for Peppers

Vic Carucci   

The trade that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs appears to be only the first phase of some major wheeling and dealing by the New England Patriots this offseason.

The second phase, NFL sources say, is likely to involve a trade that would send Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers to the Patriots in exchange for the second-round pick (34th overall) they received from the Chiefs on Feb. 28.

According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25.

Peppers, on whom the Panthers have placed a franchise tag that assures him of a one-year contract worth $16.68 million, would be converted to outside linebacker in New England's 3-4 defense.

The Patriots already were looking ahead to the possibility of acquiring Peppers when they shipped Cassel and Vrabel to Kansas City, NFL sources say, because they wanted to clear the salary-cap space necessary to sign Peppers to a new contract that would put him among the higher-paid defensive players in the league. After signing Cassel to a one-year, franchise-tag tender contract worth $14.65 million, New England had nearly $30 million in cap money devoted to two quarterbacks (including $14.62 million for Tom Brady).

Once the Patriots were convinced that Brady would be fully recovered from the season-ending knee injury he suffered last year, they were comfortable with trading his replacement to the Chiefs and putting the wheels in motion to bolster a defense that has gotten particularly old at linebacker. Vrabel and fellow linebacker Tedy Bruschi are well into the twilight of their respective careers.

NFL sources say the Panthers would welcome the chance to unload Peppers for a second-round draft pick, even though it would be well below his market value, because it would be less costly than signing a first-rounder. The Panthers already have made some belt-tightening financial moves within their front office.

This, in part, could help answer the lingering question of why the Patriots were willing to take only a second-round pick for Cassel and Vrabel rather than possibly go for a higher choice as part of a three-way deal involving the Denver Broncos, who were ready to give up Jay Cutler for Cassel. Without an additional second-round pick, the Patriots might not be able to pursue Peppers.

League sources also point out that the Panthers don't have a first-round choice after trading it to the Philadelphia Eagles and aren't scheduled to draft until 59th overall (near the bottom of the second round). The 34th spot would give Carolina the second pick of the second round and a chance to land a player with a first-round rating who was pushed down to that spot for whatever reason.

Also, according to NFL sources, there is a third phase to the Patriots' offseason strategy. They would like to further beef up their linebacking corps by adding an inside linebacker in the draft. They are known to believe that USC's Rey Maualuga would be a great fit for their scheme, especially when paired with Jerod Mayo, their 2008 first-round pick who was the NFL's top defensive rookie. However, some early projections suggest it might be a long shot for Maualuga to be available for the Patriots with the 23rd overall pick.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick is known for making excellent decisions when it comes to acquiring players, but at least one NFL player-personnel evaluator questions whether Peppers would be a good fit in New England.

"This is a guy who totally went on strike two years ago because he wasn't happy with his contract," said the player personnel source, who requested anonymity. "He's also very long (in the torso), which is not ideal for a 3-4 outside linebacker. And he can't drop into coverage. He's very stiff.

"But one of the things (the Patriots) are looking at is the fact that, in passing situations, they can have Peppers up front with (Richard) Seymour and (Jarvis) Green. That makes it easier for them to take (nose tackle Vince) Wilfork out of the game in (passing situations) and just play him on running downs."

Quote from: Neil on March 16, 2009, 10:28:24 PM
Well, that's the end of the Patriots '09 season.

Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 17, 2009, 08:32:48 AM

Quote from: Neil on March 16, 2009, 10:28:24 PM
Well, that's the end of the Patriots '09 season.

That and Brady is too busy playing with his new Brazilian vagina

Quote from: katmai on March 17, 2009, 08:53:41 AM

Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 17, 2009, 08:32:48 AM

Quote from: Neil on March 16, 2009, 10:28:24 PM
Well, that's the end of the Patriots '09 season.

That and Brady is too busy playing with his new Brazilian vagina

I can't blame him in that regard.

Quote from: katmai on March 17, 2009, 08:53:41 AM

Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 17, 2009, 08:32:48 AM

Quote from: Neil on March 16, 2009, 10:28:24 PM
Well, that's the end of the Patriots '09 season.

That and Brady is too busy playing with his new Brazilian vagina

I can't blame him in that regard.

Quote from: Neil on March 17, 2009, 08:57:34 AM

Quote from: katmai on March 17, 2009, 08:53:41 AM

Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 17, 2009, 08:32:48 AM

Quote from: Neil on March 16, 2009, 10:28:24 PM
Well, that's the end of the Patriots '09 season.

That and Brady is too busy playing with his new Brazilian vagina

I can't blame him in that regard.

I can.  He's getting paid a fortune to rehab that knee.

Quote from: Vince on March 17, 2009, 08:58:17 AM
So you want him to be healthy going into the season?!?

Quote from: Strix on March 21, 2009, 07:53:13 AM
Ravens sign LJ Smith!  :D

Isn't that like Heap Part Deux? LJ Smith was good at times but seems to always be injured most of the year.

QuoteOwners might consider moving NFL draft to late February

By Mike Holbrook
March 22, 2009

Indications are strong that the annual NFL owners meeting to be held March 22-25 in Dana Point, Calif., could be one of the most compelling gatherings in many years.

And the country's economic woes appear to be a big reason why.

Not only will the owners be hearing from the NFL's Competition Committee on a number of rules changes to impact games during the season, but whispers are growing louder that the league may be ready to consider making dramatic changes to the offseason schedule, including changing the dates for the postseason all-star games, the Scouting Combine, the draft and veteran free agency.

Multiple inside sources throughout the league have told PFW that the economic climate, coupled with the uncertainty of the next Collective Bargaining Agreement with the players in addition to the potential for an uncapped year in 2010 and a potential lockout in '11, have made cost-cutting measures a top priority.

The decision by commissioner Roger Goodell to take a 20 percent pay cut in annual salary and to eliminate 169 league jobs back in February might have been the prelude to bigger and bolder budgetary decisions, though nothing has been decided yet.

For instance, the draft has been held in late April or early May since 1977. However, there are a number of movers and shakers in the league who believe that veteran free agency should follow the draft, and with the CBA still to be agreed upon for the next contract, this issue could be a bargaining chip for owners.

Those same league insiders would like to see the draft moved to late February, with free agency to commence following rookie minicamps, most likely in mid-to-late March.

"They need to get the draft put ahead of free agency," one veteran talent evaluator told PFW.

If the draft were to be held two months earlier, it obviously would compress the time allowed to evaluate talent. All-star games for college seniors would be affected, as would the Scouting Combine.

The Senior Bowl, the most popular all-star game for player evaluation in the league and a traditional gathering spot for NFL coaches, GMs and scouts in the week before the Super Bowl, has been held in Mobile, Ala., for years. However, Senior Bowl organizers are looking for an NFL venue to move their event to and have given Tampa, Fla., exclusive negotiating rights to become the long-term home of the game.

The East-West Shrine Game, an all-star bowl game for college seniors that began in 1925 and spent 80 years in the San Francisco area before moving to Texas in 2006, is also seriously considering moving to Tampa.

By having both big senior showcases in the same city, the games could work in unison to attract the best talent and give prospects an opportunity to practice for two weeks in front of NFL decision makers, plus play games on back-to-back weekends.

The Combine would be held in early February following the Super Bowl. With little time for players to work out on their own and hold pro days at their school, the Combine would become even more important for prospects to show NFL scouts what they can do. It wouldn't be a surprise if the number of invitees to the Combine was increased to accommodate more prospects.

The biggest upside for the league and its 32 teams in combining the Senior Bowl and East-West Shrine Game in the same city along with an expanded Combine is tremendous travel savings. Expenses have grown exponentially over the years, with teams sending scouts across the country from all-star game to all-star game and from pro day to pro day. By making travel more efficient for scouts and personnel men, the league believes each team could save millions of dollars.

One other key factor in holding the draft earlier is that it is likely to limit the amount of input from the head coach and his assistants. It will force teams to rely more on their scouting staffs and personnel departments. The earlier draft will reward well-organized and talented scouting departments and expose less-talented, less-informed scouts.

With the league streamlining the draft in recent years and moving in the direction of making the first two rounds a prime-time event, the timing of a late-February draft would be excellent in terms of taking place during one of TV's key sweeps months. It also would be at a relatively dead time in the sports calendar — before college basketball's March Madness or baseball's spring training and well before the NBA or NHL playoffs begin.

The earlier draft would allow teams to select for need with younger players first, then see what they've got in minicamps before deciding whom to pursue in free agency. The system currently encourages teams to fill roster needs with veteran free agents before the draft.

Pro days won't go away. In fact, less-heralded draft-eligible players who aren't drafted could still hold pro days to showcase their skills when working out with juniors who are being evaluated in anticipation of the following year's draft. As a result, teams would be encouraged to start collecting information for the next draft as soon as possible and have their scouting departments be prepared to hit the ground running in the fall.

Finally, pushing up the draft would naturally create a lengthy break from league business — allowing for ample downtime in May and June — something that many league insiders believe is desperately needed to prevent burnout and the feeling of being on a treadmill that they can't get off.

"Some way, somehow, the NFL needs to find a way to give the league more of a break," a top executive told PFW. "It's like a treadmill that keeps getting faster and faster. They need to have a bigger window between the draft and free agency, regardless of which one comes first."

Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 27, 2009, 02:30:02 PM
George still grasping for one last shot at glory: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Akv4VbSw4q_NTkLVdMPkfg45nYcB?slug=ms-thegameface032709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Akv4VbSw4q_NTkLVdMPkfg45nYcB?slug=ms-thegameface032709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns).  Enjoy.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 02, 2009, 04:32:20 PM
PTI says Cutler is being traded to the Bears!

QuoteJay Cutler told FOXSports.com Wednesday night that he thought he would be traded to an NFC team. He was right. However, it was not the team to which everyone had him linked.

Cutler has been traded to the Chicago Bears for two first-round picks, a third-round pick and quarterback Kyle Orton, FOXSports.com has learned. Denver will receive Chicago's first- and third-round pick in this year's draft, and Chicago's first-round pick in 2010, along with Orton. The Bears get Cutler and the Broncos' fifth-round pick this year.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 02, 2009, 04:32:20 PM
PTI says Cutler is being traded to the Bears!

Quote from: JacobL on April 02, 2009, 05:00:09 PM

QuoteJay Cutler told FOXSports.com Wednesday night that he thought he would be traded to an NFC team. He was right. However, it was not the team to which everyone had him linked.

Cutler has been traded to the Chicago Bears for two first-round picks, a third-round pick and quarterback Kyle Orton, FOXSports.com has learned. Denver will receive Chicago's first- and third-round pick in this year's draft, and Chicago's first-round pick in 2010, along with Orton. The Bears get Cutler and the Broncos' fifth-round pick this year.

Denver will be fine, Chicago will continue to suck.  Cutler is going to have fun throwing to Hester and 2 decent TEs and no one else.

Quote from: Vince on April 02, 2009, 05:10:19 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 02, 2009, 04:32:20 PM
PTI says Cutler is being traded to the Bears!

Oh Thank God!  I was afraid he'd get traded to NY.

Quote from: Neil on April 02, 2009, 05:11:51 PM

Quote from: Vince on April 02, 2009, 05:10:19 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 02, 2009, 04:32:20 PM
PTI says Cutler is being traded to the Bears!

Oh Thank God!  I was afraid he'd get traded to NY.

As opposed to the guy you guys have now?  Nobody.

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2009, 05:21:42 PM
The jets need Jeff George.

Quote from: Vince on April 02, 2009, 05:24:09 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2009, 05:21:42 PM
The jets need Jeff George.

Nah we need a couple more Buckeye Alumni.

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2009, 05:27:31 PM

Maybe they'll get another Mangold caliber player.

The Jets will regret losing the Nuge. REGRET IT.  :P

Quote from: Vince on April 02, 2009, 05:38:48 PM
Nuge will be shot out of the pirate ship cannon in Raymond James Stadium by a mob of angry Bucs fans after he screws up like he always does.

Quote from: Neil on April 02, 2009, 05:46:41 PM

Quote from: Vince on April 02, 2009, 05:38:48 PM
Nuge will be shot out of the pirate ship cannon in Raymond James Stadium by a mob of angry Bucs fans after he screws up like he always does.

The Bucs signed him?  How could anyone be so desperate for a kicker?  It's not like there's a shortage, and even some kid out of college could be brought in.  Why get a player who doesn't give you a chance to win?

Quote from: Barrister on April 02, 2009, 07:19:56 PM
I think its a good deal for Chicago. :uffda:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 04:42:18 AM
Kyle Boller is a St. Louis Ram.

The implosion of his career is now complete.   Sorry, Kyle.

Quote from: Neil on April 02, 2009, 07:22:53 PM
Which NFC North QB will Cutler start a feud with, distracting the team and resulting in yet another year outside the playoffs by the Bears?

As a Vikes fan, you must be happy.

Quote from: Valmy on April 08, 2009, 01:18:51 PM
Rumors are flying Ocho Cinco is headed to a NFC East team...oh dear Hod please say it ain't so Snyder.

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 08, 2009, 01:20:02 PM

Quote from: Valmy on April 08, 2009, 01:18:51 PM
Rumors are flying Ocho Cinco is headed to a NFC East team...oh dear Hod please say it ain't so Snyder.

Good. I'm tired of his shit and his fragility.

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 08, 2009, 01:22:47 PM
Sure because we will hear less of him when he joins the Giants? The Eagles or god forbid the Cowboys.

:bleeding:

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 08, 2009, 01:22:47 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 08, 2009, 01:20:02 PM

Quote from: Valmy on April 08, 2009, 01:18:51 PM
Rumors are flying Ocho Cinco is headed to a NFC East team...oh dear Hod please say it ain't so Snyder.

Good. I'm tired of his shit and his fragility.

Sure because we will hear less of him when he joins the Giants? The Eagles or god forbid the Cowboys.

:bleeding:

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 08, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
As long as he isn't fucking over the Bungles, I DON'T CARE.

I don't watch sportscenter, so my exposure would be limited, unlike now, where every local sports jackass has to have a segment on the newscast.

Ocho Cinco's time in Cincy has past. He sell by date is over.

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 08, 2009, 01:26:10 PM

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 08, 2009, 01:22:47 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 08, 2009, 01:20:02 PM

Quote from: Valmy on April 08, 2009, 01:18:51 PM
Rumors are flying Ocho Cinco is headed to a NFC East team...oh dear Hod please say it ain't so Snyder.

Good. I'm tired of his shit and his fragility.

Sure because we will hear less of him when he joins the Giants? The Eagles or god forbid the Cowboys.

:bleeding:

As long as he isn't fucking over the Bungles, I DON'T CARE.

I don't watch sportscenter, so my exposure would be limited, unlike now, where every local sports jackass has to have a segment on the newscast.

Ocho Cinco's time in Cincy has past. He sell by date is over.

Quote from: Valmy on April 08, 2009, 01:18:51 PM
Rumors are flying Ocho Cinco is headed to a NFC East team...oh dear Hod please say it ain't so Snyder.

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 08, 2009, 01:39:42 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 08, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
As long as he isn't fucking over the Bungles, I DON'T CARE.

I don't watch sportscenter, so my exposure would be limited, unlike now, where every local sports jackass has to have a segment on the newscast.

Ocho Cinco's time in Cincy has past. He sell by date is over.

Tank Johnson will take care of that.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 08, 2009, 11:46:42 AM

Quote from: Neil on April 02, 2009, 07:22:53 PM
Which NFC North QB will Cutler start a feud with, distracting the team and resulting in yet another year outside the playoffs by the Bears?

As a Vikes fan, you must be happy.

Cutler will start some shit with Sage, who will immediately helicopter into the Bears sidelines, killing Cutler and everyone around him.

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 08, 2009, 01:42:08 PM
Oh Mike Brown,  you naughty owner.

The Bungles might have some D now.  :lol:

Quote from: Barrister on April 08, 2009, 02:05:22 PM
SO tell me (since I now have to care about Sage Rosenfels):

-whats the "helicopter" story with him?   :huh:

Quote from: Neil on April 08, 2009, 02:04:02 PM
No Housh, no Oucho Stinko.  Are the Bengals actually going to have an offence left?

Quote from: Neil on April 08, 2009, 02:13:57 PM

Quote from: Barrister on April 08, 2009, 02:05:22 PM
SO tell me (since I now have to care about Sage Rosenfels):

-whats the "helicopter" story with him?   :huh:

When he was a backup for the Texans, he lost them a game against the Colts by trying to jump through the air to gain extra yards on a scramble.  He got hit in midair, went spinning around, the ball went flying and his fumble was returned for a touchdown.

He was trying to be the man, but instead performed a legendary failure.

Quote from: Barrister on April 08, 2009, 02:21:55 PM

Quote from: Neil on April 08, 2009, 02:13:57 PM

Quote from: Barrister on April 08, 2009, 02:05:22 PM
SO tell me (since I now have to care about Sage Rosenfels):

-whats the "helicopter" story with him?   :huh:

When he was a backup for the Texans, he lost them a game against the Colts by trying to jump through the air to gain extra yards on a scramble.  He got hit in midair, went spinning around, the ball went flying and his fumble was returned for a touchdown.

He was trying to be the man, but instead performed a legendary failure.

Thanks.

Quote from: Barrister on April 08, 2009, 02:21:55 PM

Quote from: Neil on April 08, 2009, 02:13:57 PM

Quote from: Barrister on April 08, 2009, 02:05:22 PM
SO tell me (since I now have to care about Sage Rosenfels):

-whats the "helicopter" story with him?   :huh:

When he was a backup for the Texans, he lost them a game against the Colts by trying to jump through the air to gain extra yards on a scramble.  He got hit in midair, went spinning around, the ball went flying and his fumble was returned for a touchdown.

He was trying to be the man, but instead performed a legendary failure.

Thanks.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 08, 2009, 02:27:14 PM
Note the score and time left (field position as well).  Also, Matt Schaub with the "WTF" look on his face.  :lol:

Beaten.  :mad:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 05:32:33 PM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 08, 2009, 02:27:14 PM
Note the score and time left (field position as well).  Also, Matt Schaub with the "WTF" look on his face.  :lol:

Beaten.  :mad:

I don't care what anybody says, I gotta give props to a QB with that kind of moxie.

Quote from: Neil on April 08, 2009, 05:34:00 PMI like his moxie.  I don't like his decision-making process.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 05:32:33 PM
I don't care what anybody says, I gotta give props to a QB with that kind of moxie.

Quote from: Valmy on April 15, 2009, 08:37:02 AM
The Redskins have the NFC West this year and NFC games against Detroit and St. Louis.  Surely even the they can get to the playoffs with that out of division cupcake schedule.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 15, 2009, 08:49:44 AM
Four of Houston's six division games are clustered right around their bye week (2x Colts, Titans, Jags).  Jets, San Francisco, Oakland, Seattle, New England at home.  Arizona, Cincy, Buffalo, St. Louis, and Miami on the road.

Quote from: Neil on April 15, 2009, 08:51:10 AM
You mean the AFC West?

QuoteWith the NFC South and their own brutal division games, it's going to be a tough year for the Redskins.  Then again, every year is a tough year for the NFC East teams, as they are very competitive with each other.

Quote from: Valmy on April 15, 2009, 09:31:28 AM
Hope springs eternal!  Besides surely the Eagles and Cowboys are in decline.

Quote from: Neil on April 15, 2009, 08:30:54 AM
Still, there's no reason to expect the Ravens not to win at least 10 games,

Quote from: Neil on April 15, 2009, 08:30:54 AM
  Still, there's no reason to expect the Ravens not to win at least 10 games, and likely 12.

I'm amused to see the Cowboys get so many prime-time games when their prospects are so poor.

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28. Baltimore Ravens   .438
29. Pittsburgh Steelers    .434

Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2009, 05:34:22 PM
2009 strength of schedule rankings

Rank, Team, Opponents' 2008 winning %

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28. Baltimore Ravens   .438
29. Pittsburgh Steelers    .434

12 wins?  Uh, yeah.

Quote from: sbr on April 15, 2009, 06:09:35 PM
Last year the Steelers played the hardest schedule in NFL history, based on the previous year's winning percentage. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz133%2Fsbr32%2Fsmilies%2Fshrug.gif&hash=192f9aca171f53ae2576f66866352c133c7ea785)

Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2009, 06:13:48 PM

Quote from: sbr on April 15, 2009, 06:09:35 PM
Last year the Steelers played the hardest schedule in NFL history, based on the previous year's winning percentage. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz133%2Fsbr32%2Fsmilies%2Fshrug.gif&hash=192f9aca171f53ae2576f66866352c133c7ea785)

Yeah, and how many squeakers did they pull out of their asses in the last half of the season? More than they'd want.

Quote from: Strix on April 15, 2009, 07:28:10 PMTwo more than the Ravens did.  :P

Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2009, 07:36:50 PM

Quote from: Strix on April 15, 2009, 07:28:10 PMTwo more than the Ravens did.  :P

You are why the mod features here suck.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 20, 2009, 12:26:51 PM
OMG! Brilliant! The only thing left to do now is draft three or four new wide receivers, and the turnaround will be complete!

Quote from: Savonarola on April 20, 2009, 12:31:43 PM
The rumor from ground control is that he'll be replacing Emmit Smith on ESPN.

Quote from: Neil on April 20, 2009, 01:28:22 PM
It's funny listening to the talking heads talking about how nobody wants the #1 overall pick for fear of being embarassed by a huge bust.  I thought to myself:  "How is it possible for Detroit to be any more embarassed than they already are?"

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 22, 2009, 09:27:26 AM
For those who have it, how's NFL Sunday Ticket?

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 22, 2009, 11:17:08 AM
I'm thinking about it. One can only watch so many Patriot, Jets & Giants games.

Quote from: Vince on April 22, 2009, 05:01:25 PM

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 22, 2009, 11:17:08 AM
I'm thinking about it. One can only watch so many Patriot, Jets & Giants games.

Heretic!  You can never watch enough Jets games.   :P

Quote from: Neil on April 22, 2009, 05:14:14 PM

Quote from: Vince on April 22, 2009, 05:01:25 PM

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 22, 2009, 11:17:08 AM
I'm thinking about it. One can only watch so many Patriot, Jets & Giants games.

Heretic!  You can never watch enough Jets games.   :P

Watching a Jets game last year was like being drowned in a vat of media semen by Brett Favre.

I'm glad he's retired once and for all.

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 22, 2009, 05:21:24 PM
Watching any game last year was like being drowned in a vat of Favre spunk. Especially if that fuck Kornheiser was yapping.

Quote from: Neil on April 22, 2009, 05:27:58 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 22, 2009, 05:21:24 PM
Watching any game last year was like being drowned in a vat of Favre spunk. Especially if that fuck Kornheiser was yapping.

He does seem to have the most 'media' opinion possible, and an inability to shut up about it, doesn't he?

Quote from: Savonarola on April 20, 2009, 12:09:35 PM
Lions have a new logo:

Can't you just feel the excitement building already?

Quote from: Vince on April 22, 2009, 05:01:25 PM

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 22, 2009, 11:17:08 AM
I'm thinking about it. One can only watch so many Patriot, Jets & Giants games.

Heretic!  You can never watch enough Jets games.   :P

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 23, 2009, 06:48:47 AM
The real problem is that it's usually a freaking Patriot game.

Quote from: Neil on April 23, 2009, 07:14:42 AM

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 23, 2009, 06:48:47 AM
The real problem is that it's usually a freaking Patriot game.

Bandwagonners (like Tim) love the Patriots.  After they lose a bunch this season and next season, missing the playoffs, you won't have to worry about that anymore.

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 23, 2009, 07:17:55 AM
Hopefully, one good hit this pre-season, and we the fans won't have to see Tom Brady for awhile. Assuming he is ready, since it seems he would rather travel the world than rehab.

Quote from: Savonarola on April 20, 2009, 01:31:18 PM

Quote from: Neil on April 20, 2009, 01:28:22 PM
It's funny listening to the talking heads talking about how nobody wants the #1 overall pick for fear of being embarassed by a huge bust.  I thought to myself:  "How is it possible for Detroit to be any more embarassed than they already are?"

Short of going 0-16 again, I really don't know; but if there is a way The Lions will find it.

Quote from: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:38:46 AM

Quote from: Savonarola on April 20, 2009, 01:31:18 PM

Quote from: Neil on April 20, 2009, 01:28:22 PM
It's funny listening to the talking heads talking about how nobody wants the #1 overall pick for fear of being embarassed by a huge bust.  I thought to myself:  "How is it possible for Detroit to be any more embarassed than they already are?"

Short of going 0-16 again, I really don't know; but if there is a way The Lions will find it.

Any bets this year?  You picking that the Lions would at least finish average was one of the easiest bets I've won.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 23, 2009, 11:16:54 AM

Quote from: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:38:46 AM


Any bets this year?  You picking that the Lions would at least finish average was one of the easiest bets I've won.

They'll get a fresh new rookie quarterback, and the weight of the entire team will be on his shoulders. How well you think that's gonna go?  :P

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 23, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
Tony Gonzales traded to the Falcons for a 2nd round pick in 2010.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 23, 2009, 05:15:25 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 23, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
Tony Gonzales traded to the Falcons for a 2nd round pick in 2010.

Tony becomes a first-round fantasy draft pick again.

Fucking Atlanta's offense is going to be sick this season.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 23, 2009, 05:15:25 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 23, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
Tony Gonzales traded to the Falcons for a 2nd round pick in 2010.

Tony becomes a first-round fantasy draft pick again.

Fucking Atlanta's offense is going to be sick this season.

Quote from: Neil on April 23, 2009, 07:01:50 PM
Why hasn't Rex Francorum shown me seven or eight mock drafts?

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 22, 2009, 09:27:26 AM
For those who have it, how's NFL Sunday Ticket?

Around here, it comes bundle with NHL Center Ice (yay!) and MLD Extra Innings for 30$/month

Quote from: Neil on April 23, 2009, 07:01:50 PM
Why hasn't Rex Francorum shown me seven or eight mock drafts?

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 24, 2009, 11:14:09 PM
Stafford is the pick for Detroit.  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4097641

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 24, 2009, 11:28:34 PM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 24, 2009, 11:14:09 PM
Stafford is the pick for Detroit.  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4097641

Crazy to risk that much money. That poor guy is gonna be hammered into the ground until he turns into a David Carr clone.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 24, 2009, 11:28:34 PM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 24, 2009, 11:14:09 PM
Stafford is the pick for Detroit.  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4097641

Crazy to risk that much money. That poor guy is gonna be hammered into the ground until he turns into a David Carr clone.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 24, 2009, 11:28:34 PM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 24, 2009, 11:14:09 PM
Stafford is the pick for Detroit.  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4097641

Crazy to risk that much money. That poor guy is gonna be hammered into the ground until he turns into a David Carr clone.

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 25, 2009, 08:13:54 AM
They should Carson Palmer the guy. He can watch Dante Culpepper play next year. Too bad Kitna isn't around, he was a good teacher.

But since this is the Lions, Stafford will play and get his first concussion in week 1.

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 25, 2009, 08:13:54 AM
But since this is the Lions, Stafford will play and get his first concussion in week 1.

Quote from: Neil on April 28, 2009, 01:31:06 PM
I think that Brian Cushing might be retarded.  He wears his hat like a moron.

QuoteAlso, somebody made Bellichick wear a suit on draft day!

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 28, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
The thing covering his head so he doesn't die when he smashes into people looks fine to me.  I don't give a fuck about anything else.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 28, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
I'm not sure I believe you. :mellow:

Quote from: Neil on April 28, 2009, 01:52:26 PM
:lol:

How many times did you edit that post?

Yeah, I saw the video on the NFL Network.  I was shocked.  The suit didn't quite fit, but it was there.  Rather than looking homeless, he looked like a Wal-Mart assistant manager or something.

Quote from: Neil on April 28, 2009, 01:50:39 PM
Just looking at him wearing his baseball cap, you know that there's something horribly wrong with him.

Quote from: derspiess on April 28, 2009, 02:30:13 PM
Is it off to the center and/or with the bill raised up too high?  Dudes who wear hats that way look like they have gone full retard.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 28, 2009, 02:34:43 PM

Quote from: derspiess on April 28, 2009, 02:30:13 PM
Is it off to the center and/or with the bill raised up too high?  Dudes who wear hats that way look like they have gone full retard.

It was a bit off center, but I don't think it was on purpose like some of them do, so he looked slightly retarded with greasy long hair, all roided up, etc. 

Edit:  He doesn't appear to be able to put one on straight.


Eh heh heh.  There's a video interview with him here: http://www.houstontexans.com/index2.html

Quote from: Neil on April 28, 2009, 01:52:26 PM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 28, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
I'm not sure I believe you. :mellow:

:lol:

How many times did you edit that post?

Yeah, I saw the video on the NFL Network.  I was shocked.  The suit didn't quite fit, but it was there.  Rather than looking homeless, he looked like a Wal-Mart assistant manager or something.

QuoteJets waived QB Brett Favre off their reserve/retired list.
This could mean nothing, or it could mean something. Players waived off the retired list become free agents, and there have been some rumors lately that Favre is contemplating a return. Something had to spur this transaction, because the Jets would've just left Favre on reserve/retired otherwise. It's possible Favre wants to sign a one-year contract to retire as a Packer. It's also possible that the Vikings want him again.

QuotePete Carroll must feel pretty stupid. He said Sanchez wasn't even ready for the NFL, and the kid turned out to be the greatest quarterback in the history of the game. Grade: A plus plus

QuoteThis surprise selection was actually intended as a smokescreen until the Raiders realized you had to keep whatever players you selected. Grade: F

QuoteEverybody's criticizing the choice of Moreno here. Perhaps the Broncos should have drafted someone the experts were higher on, like Vince Young or Reggie Bush. Grade: D

QuoteJerry is a tough, passionate warrior who will immediately upgrade the Falcons front seven. But he's not Mark Sanchez, so fuck him. Grade: F minus minus

Quote from: Barrister on April 29, 2009, 11:12:07 AM
Apparently the Jets released Brett Favre, thus making him eligible to sign with any team he might choose if he decided to unretire again.

:shifty:

Quote from: Neil on April 29, 2009, 11:22:25 AM

Quote from: Barrister on April 29, 2009, 11:12:07 AM
Apparently the Jets released Brett Favre, thus making him eligible to sign with any team he might choose if he decided to unretire again.

:shifty:

That has-been should just stay retired.  He's got nothing left, and he's only damaging himself by staying on.

Quote from: Barrister on April 29, 2009, 11:31:20 AM
He'd be an upgrade from Tavaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels... :shifty:

Quote from: Barrister on April 29, 2009, 11:12:07 AM
Apparently the Jets released Brett Favre, thus making him eligible to sign with any team he might choose if he decided to unretire again.

:shifty:

Quote from: JacobL on April 28, 2009, 08:51:56 PM

QuoteJets waived QB Brett Favre off their reserve/retired list.
This could mean nothing, or it could mean something. Players waived off the retired list become free agents, and there have been some rumors lately that Favre is contemplating a return. Something had to spur this transaction, because the Jets would've just left Favre on reserve/retired otherwise. It's possible Favre wants to sign a one-year contract to retire as a Packer. It's also possible that the Vikings want him again.

According to rotoworld

:lol:

Quote from: Barrister on April 29, 2009, 11:31:20 AM
He'd be an upgrade from Tavaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels... :shifty:

QuoteA few days before the start of their first minicamp, the Ravens shuffled their quarterback group, signing John Beck to a one-year contract and cutting third-stringer Todd Bouman.

Beck, a 2007 second-round pick of the Miami Dolphins, is expected to compete against Troy Smith for the Ravens' backup quarterback job.

"He was a very productive college player, but what also impressed our scouts was how competitive he is," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said Monday. "We like to bring in good athletes who love to compete and he fits that."

Beck, 27, who was released by the Dolphins last week, reportedly drew interest from six teams. He eventually chose the Ravens over the Jacksonville Jaguars.

QuoteReport: Favre to meet with Vikings coach Childress

1 hour, 6 minutes ago


MINNEAPOLIS (AP)—Just when Brett Favre looked to finally be out, the Minnesota Vikings could be pulling him back in.

Citing an anonymous source “with direct knowledge of the discussions between the two parties,” ESPN reported Tuesday that Favre is scheduled to meet with Vikings coach Brad Childress later this week about a possible comeback with Minnesota.

Favre’s agent, Bus Cook, did not immediately return a phone call to his Mississippi office left by The Associated Press.

Childress and Vikings spokesman Bob Hagan also did not immediately return messages.

Both Favre and Cook have said this spring that Favre intends to stay retired. But Favre’s statement after he was released by the New York Jets last week left the door open.

“At this time, I am retired and have no intention of returning to football,” he said.

Those three little words—“At this time”—set off rampant speculation that he was indeed considering a second return to action.

Childress said Friday he had been too busy to concentrate on Favre, but did acknowledge the subject would soon be broached.

“We talk about everything,” Childress said then, “from what’s going on in the United States on the front page today. … We talk about everything, so yeah, I’m sure we’ll talk about that.”

It wouldn’t be the first time.

Favre spent 16 seasons in Green Bay, retiring in 2008 after leading the Packers to the NFC title game. He changed his mind a few months later, which set up a long and messy soap opera that ultimately led to his trade to the Jets.

It was believed all along that Favre, after hearing Green Bay’s plans to go with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback, wanted to come to NFC North rival Minnesota so he could exact some revenge on the Packers.

But the Packers would have none of it. The team filed tampering charges against the Vikings, alleging improper contact between Favre and Vikings offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, a friend of Favre’s from his days as Green Bay’s quarterbacks coach.

The league cleared the Vikings of all charges. Green Bay included in the trade to New York a clause that made it all but impossible for the Jets to turn around and ship Favre to the Vikings.

But when the Jets granted the 39-year-old Favre his release last week, it made him a free agent who is eligible to sign with any team he chooses. And many experts say the Vikings are a quarterback away from being a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

With unproven veterans Sage Rosenfels and Tarvaris Jackson slated to duke it out in training camp for the starting job, it would come as no surprise that the Vikings would at least consider adding a three-time MVP who holds the career records in every major statistical passing category, including interceptions.

But the move would not come without questions.

After an impressive start to his first and only season in New York—he threw a career-high six touchdown passes in a win over Arizona in Week 4— Favre’s production dipped considerably over the final five games while he dealt with shoulder and biceps injuries. He threw nine interceptions in that span and the Jets stumbled to a 1-4 finish.

QuoteThe Minnesota Vikings will not sign free-agent quarterback Brett Favre(notes), a source close to the team told Yahoo! Sports on Thursday.

In a phone call that took place sometime in the last day, the source said Favre told Vikings coach Brad Childress that he wanted to remain retired. Favre is expected to publicly explain his decision soon.

Favre, who announced his first retirement in March 2008 after spending 16 seasons with the Green Bay Packers, decided to resume his career last summer and was traded to the New York Jets in August. After one season in New York, Favre retired again and was subsequently released by the Jets on April 29.

Just days after his release from the Jets, speculation began that the Vikings were interested in bringing in a veteran to compete with Sage Rosenfels(notes), who was acquired this offseason from the Houston Texans. Rosenfels is atop the depth chart heading into training camp, with Tarvaris Jackson and John David Booty(notes) also on the roster.

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 07, 2009, 06:25:47 PM
Bungles signed Roy Williams, so I assume he'll hit hard, yet play shitty pass defense like he normally does.

Quote from: Neil on May 07, 2009, 06:40:35 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 07, 2009, 06:25:47 PM
Bungles signed Roy Williams, so I assume he'll hit hard, yet play shitty pass defense like he normally does.

That's a mistake on your part.  It would be safer to assume that he'll horsecollar a few guys, giving up first downs on critical drives, and then get knocked out for the season by an injury (possibly sustained while horsecollaring someone).

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 07, 2009, 06:43:00 PM

Quote from: Neil on May 07, 2009, 06:40:35 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 07, 2009, 06:25:47 PM
Bungles signed Roy Williams, so I assume he'll hit hard, yet play shitty pass defense like he normally does.

That's a mistake on your part.  It would be safer to assume that he'll horsecollar a few guys, giving up first downs on critical drives, and then get knocked out for the season by an injury (possibly sustained while horsecollaring someone).

If he horsecollars at least 1 Steeler, it will all be worth it.

Quote from: Neil on May 07, 2009, 06:45:20 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 07, 2009, 06:43:00 PM

Quote from: Neil on May 07, 2009, 06:40:35 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on May 07, 2009, 06:25:47 PM
Bungles signed Roy Williams, so I assume he'll hit hard, yet play shitty pass defense like he normally does.

That's a mistake on your part.  It would be safer to assume that he'll horsecollar a few guys, giving up first downs on critical drives, and then get knocked out for the season by an injury (possibly sustained while horsecollaring someone).

If he horsecollars at least 1 Steeler, it will all be worth it.

It certainly would be amusing to see Hines Ward's shinbone explode out of his leg.  The downside to this is that he might try that shit on Derrick Mason.

QuoteFord ranked second-worst NFL owner; Ilitch No. 1 in NHL
The Detroit News
Mike Ilitch is the best owner in the NHL, according to Sports Illustrated, while William Clay Ford is ranked the second-worst in the NFL.

SI.com ranked the five best and five worst owners in the four major sports using the following criteria:

* Team's success or failure on the field.


* Willingness to spend money to improve the team.

* Stability and capabilities of the front office and management.

* Amenities at the team's venue.

* Club's culture and interactivity with fans.

Here are the rankings:

NFL

Five Best

1. Rooney Family, Pittsburgh Steelers

2. Robert Kraft, New England Patriots

3. Mara and Tisch Families, New York Giants

4. Jeffrey Lurie, Philadelphia Eagles

5. Steve Bisciotti, Baltimore Ravens

Five Worst

1. Al Davis, Oakland Raiders

2. William Clay Ford, Detroit Lions

3. Dan Snyder, Washington Redskins

4. Mike Brown, Cincinnati Bengals

5. Denise DeBartolo York, San Francisco 49ers

MLB

Five Best

1. John Henry/Tom Werner/Larry Lucchino, Boston Red Sox

2. Arturo Moreno, Los Angeles Angels

3. William DeWitt, St. Louis Cardinals

4. Steinbrenner Family, New York Yankees

5. Stuart Sternberg, Tampa Bay Rays

Five Worst

1. Peter Angelos, Baltimore Orioles

2. Tom Hicks, Texas Rangers

3. David Glass, Kansas City Royals

4. Jeffrey Loria, Florida Marlins

5. Ted Lerner, Washington Nationals

NBA

Five Best

1. Jerry Buss, Los Angeles Lakers

2. Peter Holt, San Antonio Spurs

3. Mark Cuban, Dallas Mavericks

4. Les Alexander, Houston Rockets

5. Dan Gilbert, Cleveland Cavaliers

Five Worst

1. Donald T. Sterling, Los Angeles Clippers

2. Cablevision/James Dolan, New York Knicks

3. Michael Heisley, Memphis Grizzlies

4. Chris Cohan, Golden State Warriors

5. Robert Johnson/Michael Jordan, Charlotte Bobcats

NHL

Five Best

1. Mike Ilitch, Detroit Red Wings

2. Jeffrey Vanderbeek, New Jersey Devils

3. Mario Lemieux/Ron Burkle, Pittsburgh Penguins

4. San Jose Sports and Entertainment, San Jose Sharks

5. Peter Karmanos, Carolina Hurricanes

Five Worst

1. Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, Toronto Maple Leafs

2. Alan Cohen, Florida Panthers

3. Charles Wang, New York Islanders

4. Atlanta Spirit, Atlanta Thrashers

5. Predator Holdings, LLC Nashville Predators

QuoteNFL

Five Worst

1. Al Davis, Oakland Raiders

2. William Clay Ford, Detroit Lions

3. Dan Snyder, Washington Redskins

MLB

Five Worst

1. Peter Angelos, Baltimore Orioles

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 12, 2009, 04:04:49 PM
Is this currently worst, or historically worst? If the latter I'd like to nominate the Vikings for their 1337 trading skillz. And don't forget:

With the second pick in the 1984 NBA Draft, the Portland Trailblazers select: Sam Bowie!!    :P

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 12, 2009, 04:04:49 PM
Is this currently worst, or historically worst? If the latter I'd like to nominate the Vikings for their 1337 trading skillz. And don't forget:

With the second pick in the 1984 NBA Draft, the Portland Trailblazers select: Sam Bowie!!    :P

Quote
CANYON, Texas (AP)—Former NFL quarterback Ryan Leaf has been indicted by a Randall County grand jury on drug and burglary charges. The indictment handed up Wednesday in Canyon charged the 33-year-old former San Diego Chargers quarterback and former West Texas A&M quarterbacks coach with one count of burglary to a habitation, seven counts of obtaining a controlled substance by fraud and one count of delivery of a simulated controlled substance.
The indictment said Leaf presented an incomplete medical history to several physicians between January 2008 and September 2008 to get or try to obtain the painkiller Hydrocodone.
It was not clear whether Leaf had an attorney. Canyon police Lt. Dale Davis said Leaf is suspected of breaking into a Canyon apartment on Oct. 30 and stealing Hydrocodone, which had been prescribed to an injured football player. "There were signs of a forced entry," Davis said. "A window in the back of the home was (damaged)."
The count of delivery of a simulated controlled substance alleges Leaf gave an individual a substance he said was Hydrocodone but was not that drug.
James Farren, Randall County criminal district attorney, said Leaf has been undergoing drug rehabilitation in British Columbia, the Amarillo Globe-News reported.
Farren told the newspaper that efforts were under way to try to convince Leaf to return to the United States on his own.
"We have not found any evidence implicating anyone other than Mr. Leaf in this case ... but believe there's additional evidence implicating him in other events," Farren said. He would not elaborate.
Leaf, a Great Falls, Mont., native, led Washington State to the Pacific-10 Conference championship and Rose Bowl appearance. The Chargers made him the second pick of the 1998 NFL draft. He played for the Chargers from 1998-2000 and also played for the Dallas Cowboys in 2001. He threw for 3,666 yards and 14 touchdowns in his career.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 22, 2009, 01:56:26 AM
Has the Michael Vick release already been mentioned?

Quote from: katmai on May 22, 2009, 02:00:54 AM
Yes by you.


:P

QuoteThe Ravens have not contacted the Denver Broncos about disgruntled wide receiver Brandon Marshall, but they are doing their homework on the Pro Bowl playmaker, a team source said Tuesday.

It might take first- and third-round draft picks to acquire Marshall, one of the top young wide receivers in the game, but he would immediately shore up an area that is considered a weakness for the Ravens.

The Chicago Bears, who traded for Denver quarterback Jay Cutler this offseason, also might be interested in Marshall. It's not known whether the Broncos are considering trading Marshall, but they dealt Cutler when he asked them to.

Nicknamed "the Beast," Marshall has caught more than 100 passes each of the past two seasons. The major concern with Marshall is his lengthy list of off-the-field issues, which includes 13 police incidents since 2004 and a pending misdemeanor battery charge.

The Ravens had trade talks for the Arizona Cardinals' Anquan Boldin two months ago in an attempt to improve at wide receiver.

"We're interested in anybody that can help our team," coach John Harbaugh said Tuesday. "He [Marshall] plays for the Broncos, and he's under contract. He's not a guy that we're concerned with right now. We'll just have to see what happens."

Marshall requested a trade from the Broncos after skipping the team's mandatory minicamp last week. His holdout is the result of medical trust issues with the Broncos (he said the team misdiagnosed his hip injury last season) and a desire for a new contract.

Marshall's agent, Kennard McGuire, couldn't be reached for comment, but Marshall addressed his trade request on his Web site, writing: "To whom it may concern. Life is filled with change, and where I am in my life now change is probably best. It's hard leaving an organization ran by one of the best owners in all of sports, and someone who's been there for me through my ups and downs. The hardest thing was hearing Mr. B [Pat Bowlen] wish me luck in the future, but we both came to the conclusion that this is probably the best thing for me to grow on and off the field.

"I thank the Denver fans who embraced my emotion and play on the field and showing me love every time I step outside my door."

If traded, Marshall, whose contract expires after the season (unless the NFL goes into an uncapped season), would probably seek a deal averaging $9 million per season.

This could be a risky move based on Marshall's legal history, which includes charges ranging from domestic violence to driving under the influence to retail theft.

Marshall faces a trial later this summer on two misdemeanor battery charges stemming from an altercation with his former girlfriend.

"Their background matters," Harbaugh said. "We want to bring guys in here that are what we consider Ravens. So, any player that we bring in here, we've got to be convinced that he's a man of integrity, a high-character guy, and that our players can respect him in the locker room. That's going to be true whether it's in a draft or free agency or any guys we choose to re-sign. We look at that real hard because we think those are the type of people that you win with, and we're never going to compromise on that."

Another issue with Marshall is his health. He had hip surgery on March 31 and hopes to be ready by the start of training camp in late July.

But Marshall has been rehabilitating his hip at his Orlando, Fla., home because of his problems with the Broncos' medical staff.

On his Web site, Marshall wrote: "It's kind of funny now but some of my coaches thought I was getting 'big-headed' and just didn't want to practice but I needed some fine tuning.

"What made last year so weird was that I got two MRIs, one in camp and the second around week six and was told nothing was wrong but come to find out THERE WAS A BIT OF A PROBLEM after all," Marshall added. "LOL. I guess that's part of the business. So after all that, I'm now even more excited about playing this season at 100%. This year I can help my team more and hopefully we can get to the playoffs."

Still, this could be the Ravens' best chance at adding a big-play receiver. Marshall, 6 feet 4, 230 pounds, would appear to be a perfect fit for the Ravens, who could team him with strong-armed quarterback Joe Flacco for the next decade.

In his three-year career in Denver, Marshall has caught 226 passes for 2,899 yards and 15 touchdowns and built a reputation for breaking tackles for long gains.

There are question marks regarding the Ravens' receivers. The top three -- Derrick Mason (shoulder), Mark Clayton (foot) and Demetrius Williams (ankle) -- have missed significant time in offseason minicamps.

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on June 17, 2009, 07:02:21 PM
Denver imploding. :cool:

Quote from: PDH on June 17, 2009, 07:45:01 PM
Yeah, whoever gets Marshall gets 2-3 games before he slaps some tart and ends up with the rest of the year off to think about what he has done.

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on June 17, 2009, 07:02:21 PM
Denver imploding. :cool:

Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 07:18:04 PM

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on June 17, 2009, 07:02:21 PM
Denver imploding. :cool:

Indeed.  The one team who might be worse than the Jets will probably be the Broncos.

Hopefully the Ravens can profit from Denver's meltdown.

Quote from: Vince on June 18, 2009, 07:17:02 AM

Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 07:18:04 PM

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on June 17, 2009, 07:02:21 PM
Denver imploding. :cool:

Indeed.  The one team who might be worse than the Jets will probably be the Broncos.

Hopefully the Ravens can profit from Denver's meltdown.

Pfft.  Rex Ryan will lead the Jets to a Super Bowl.

Quote from: Neil on June 18, 2009, 08:12:52 AM

Quote from: Vince on June 18, 2009, 07:17:02 AM

Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 07:18:04 PM

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on June 17, 2009, 07:02:21 PM
Denver imploding. :cool:

Indeed.  The one team who might be worse than the Jets will probably be the Broncos.

Hopefully the Ravens can profit from Denver's meltdown.

Pfft.  Rex Ryan will lead the Jets to a Super Bowl.

Who's going to throw the ball?

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on June 22, 2009, 07:43:28 PM
The way DHB is going, he might not even get signed.  He's spent almost all of the OTA period with various hamstring issues, and the few times he was on the field he looked like crap.  That would be icing on the damned cake to celebrate Raider incompetence.  The media would have a fething field day with it.

Quote from: Neil on June 22, 2009, 07:50:29 PM
To be fair, the media already had a field day on draft weekend.

QuotePro Bowl linebacker Terrell Suggs said Friday that he is nearing a long-term deal with the Ravens, a contract that surprisingly won't make him the highest-paid defensive player in the NFL.

The league deadline to reach a new contract with players who have received the franchise tag is July 15. If no deal can be struck, Suggs would play under the franchise tag for a second straight season, earning $10.2 million this year.

"We are close to an agreement. We just have a few little things to work out," Suggs told The Baltimore Sun. "I don't want to go into great detail, but it's things like the years of the agreement and incentives, but the basic framework has been done."

Suggs, 26, is considered one of the rising defensive stars in the NFL. Some NFL observers have contended Suggs would test the free-agent market in March, when he would be one of the top players available.

But the Ravens' top pass rusher said Friday that he'd "be very surprised if this contract isn't done soon." He also denied rumors that this contract will make him one of the highest paid defensive players in the NFL.

"No, that's not true," he said. "But that's cool if people want to believe that. Being one of the highest paid players has never been my motivation. I just wanted to be paid what is fair, what I think I've earned."

A Ravens spokesman had no comment.

There has been speculation that Suggs is looking for a contract similar to the one given in 2007 to the Indianapolis Colts' Dwight Freeney, whose six-year, $72 million ($30 million guaranteed) made him the highest paid defender in league history at the time.

"I wish," Suggs said of getting a Freeney-type deal. "Again, I don't want to go into details but once it comes out I think everybody will be shocked, and they are going to say, what took so long to get this done?"

After being tagged last year, Suggs skipped all of training camp, missing 23 days of practice. He still made his third Pro Bowl last season, leading the Ravens with eight sacks and finishing third on the team with a career-best 102 tackles.

But Suggs said he wouldn't be the last one to arrive this year.

"I'll be there when camp opens," he said. "I'd like to be there because this is where the fans get robbed if a player doesn't report on time because it hurts his team."

Suggs said he has been cleared to practice at the start of training camp. His right shoulder -- which he injured in the AFC divisional playoff game at Tennessee -- is fully recovered.

"It took me longer to start training this off season because of the shoulder," he said, "but the shoulder is fine."

Quote•Thanks to a new lifting program, the Lions' upper-body strength is up 21%.  That's great to hear.

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 09, 2009, 06:31:19 PM
Should have tossed Goodell in. :menace:

Quote from: citizen k on July 09, 2009, 06:54:07 PM

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 09, 2009, 06:31:19 PM
Should have tossed Goodell in. :menace:

It still has its peak, for now.

QuoteRavens receiver Mason retires from NFL
In the most surprising move of the Ravens' offseason, wide receiver Derrick Mason has abruptly announced his retirement.

"I have had a tremendous career and I played for two great teams. I had fun," Mason told jocklife.com, a Web site that shares an office building with Mason's agent. "In my career, I have been able to do everything but win a Super Bowl. I've had the opportunity to play on great teams and with great players. After 12 years, I have seen it all and done it all," Mason said. "Right now, I am content with the decision I am making. All good things come to an end, and I am ready to see what else life has to offer."

Mason's retirement comes nine days after quarterback Steve McNair, a longtime friend and teammate, was shot and killed in Nashville, Tenn.

"I have been thinking about this since the season ended," Mason said. "Emotionally I am just not that enthused. I have not been that enthused to get up and work out ... it was getting to that point. This decision has nothing to do with the contract situation; I have made enough money, more than enough money. Emotionally there are things that are more important. It's time right now. I don't know what's going to happen from here, but it's going to be really nice to see what life has in store for me. What I want people to remember about my NFL career is that I played hard ... played hard in practice and the game. I tried to make everyone better and would do anything to help."

The Ravens didn't immediately respond to a phone call from The Baltimore Sun. That leaves the Ravens with Mark Clayton and Demetrius Williams as their top wide receivers.

Quote"I have been thinking about this since the season ended,"

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 13, 2009, 05:13:35 PM

Quote"I have been thinking about this since the season ended,"

That's good.  Glad you waited until 2 weeks before training camp opens to figure it all out.

Quote from: katmai on July 13, 2009, 05:15:12 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 13, 2009, 05:13:35 PM

Quote"I have been thinking about this since the season ended,"

That's good.  Glad you waited until 2 weeks before training camp opens to figure it all out.

I'm sure he was blackmailed by NFL to wait till now to mess with Ravens plans.

Quote from: katmai on July 13, 2009, 05:15:12 PMI'm sure he was blackmailed by NFL to wait till now to mess with Ravens plans.

Quote from: Neil on July 13, 2009, 05:51:18 PM
Ah fuck.  That's really terrible news for the team.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 13, 2009, 05:07:12 PM
That leaves the Ravens with Mark Clayton and Demetrius Williams as their top wide receivers.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 13, 2009, 05:53:05 PM

Quote from: Neil on July 13, 2009, 05:51:18 PM
Ah fuck.  That's really terrible news for the team.

Yeah, puts them in one hell of a hole at WR, as well as Flacco's 2nd year development.

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 13, 2009, 06:33:05 PM
In response to the reports that WR Derrick Mason is retiring, here is a statement from the Ravens Senior Vice President of Public and Community Relations, Kevin Byrne: "For any player to retire, he has to send a letter to the NFL stating this. Derrick Mason has not done that."

Quote from: sbr on July 13, 2009, 06:48:29 PM

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 13, 2009, 06:33:05 PM
In response to the reports that WR Derrick Mason is retiring, here is a statement from the Ravens Senior Vice President of Public and Community Relations, Kevin Byrne: "For any player to retire, he has to send a letter to the NFL stating this. Derrick Mason has not done that."

Sounds like someone grasping at straws.

Big blow to the Ravens though.

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 13, 2009, 08:30:43 PM

Quote from: sbr on July 13, 2009, 06:48:29 PM

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 13, 2009, 06:33:05 PM
In response to the reports that WR Derrick Mason is retiring, here is a statement from the Ravens Senior Vice President of Public and Community Relations, Kevin Byrne: "For any player to retire, he has to send a letter to the NFL stating this. Derrick Mason has not done that."

Sounds like someone grasping at straws.

Big blow to the Ravens though.

From the Ravens' Facebook updates.

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 15, 2009, 02:21:50 PM
Suggs signs a 6-year deal. :)  No details yet on how much it's for.

Quote from: Neil on July 15, 2009, 02:50:29 PM

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 15, 2009, 02:21:50 PM
Suggs signs a 6-year deal. :)  No details yet on how much it's for.

Rumourmill says $63 million.

QuoteRavens, Suggs reach six-year, $63M deal
Linebacker will receive $33 million in bonuses; Newsome: 'This is a good day for the Ravens franchise'

In signing Terrell Suggs to one of the most lucrative contracts -- six years, $63 million -- in NFL history Wednesday, the Ravens contend that it is more of an investment in the future than a reward for his first six seasons with the team.

His $33 million in bonus money tops all defensive players and ranks only behind Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning, who received $34 million in bonuses.

Suggs' $38 million in guaranteed money exceeds the totals for Jared Allen ($31 million) and Dwight Freeney ($30 million), two pass rushers who have NFL sacks titles (something Suggs has yet to accomplish).

So, did the Ravens overpay Suggs?

"Just because you sign one of these mega deals, I think he understands it doesn't mean that you've arrived as a player," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said.

"And a lot of what we've done in signing 'Sizzle' to this, is we're anticipating the player he's going to be over the course of the next six years."

Making him the highest-paid linebacker in the league was probably the only way the Ravens could have locked up Suggs before Wednesday, the NFL deadline for teams to sign their franchise tag players to a new deal.

Suggs, 26, would have been among the top five free agents next offseason and would likely have received similar offers from other teams.

An emerging playmaker, Suggs went to his third Pro Bowl after leading the Ravens with eight sacks and returning two interceptions for touchdowns. He has recorded 53 career sacks, which is second-most in team history and ranks eighth in the NFL since 2003.

Suggs is also durable, never missing a game in his six-year career. In his 101st straight game (the longest current streak on the team), he sacked Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger twice in the AFC championship game despite playing with a shoulder injury.

That's why the Ravens were willing to give him a $10.1 million signing bonus and a $23 million option bonus due in March. He is scheduled to make $40 million over the first two years of the deal.

"I'm just looking forward to showing them that they didn't make a mistake and that you've got the right guy," Suggs said. "I'm only 26 years of age, and my best years are ahead of me. I can only get smarter as my years of experience pile up."

The Ravens and Suggs have been negotiating a long-term deal since February 2008, the first time the team used the franchise tag on Suggs. The team put the tag on Suggs again earlier this year.

The sides made significant progress 2 1/2 weeks ago, when the Ravens increased the guaranteed money, a league source said. An agreement was reached around midnight Wednesday in a three-way call with Suggs, his agent and general manager Ozzie Newsome.

"This is a good day for the Ravens franchise," Newsome said.

If no deal had been struck on Wednesday, the sides would have had to wait until after the season to sign a deal and Suggs would have earned $10.2 million this year under the tag.

Throughout the past few weeks, Suggs had publicly expressed optimism that the deal would get done.

"I wasn't sure this deal was going to get done even though I kept saying it was close," he said. "I thought the chances were about 50-50, and I definitely didn't want to get franchised again.

He added, "I am glad it is over, and now we can get back to football. Getting this done took compromises on both ends. I wanted to stay in purple and black, the Ravens wanted to keep me in purple and black, and they stepped up and showed me that. This means a lot to me and my family. Now I can be a Raven for the better part of my career."

It was only a year ago when there was a little acrimony when the Ravens used the tag on Suggs.

The sides even settled on a new designation for the tag, "a hybrid defensive end-linebacker," before reaching arbitration. It allowed Suggs to get paid more than a franchise linebacker but less than a defensive end.

He then attended some meetings during offseason workouts and reported back to play in the final two preseason games, which gave him enough time to get ready for the regular-season opener.

Last season, Suggs led the Ravens in sacks for the third time in his career and finished third on the team with a career-best 102 tackles.

"I was already excited to start training camp, and now having Terrell there makes it that much better," Harbaugh said. "He's a foundation for our defense to stay at the highest level. Having him in training camp will take him to higher levels."

The Ravens have a history of locking up their first-round picks who live up to expectations. They have given sizable deals to Ray Lewis, Jonathan Ogden, Chris McAlister, Todd Heap and Ed Reed over the years.

That's why Suggs said he could never envision leaving the Ravens.

"Some people just fit the Raven identity, and I'm convinced that I'm one of them," Suggs said. "Some people, when they retire -- like Dick Butkus and Walter Payton, they'll always be Bears. Tom Brady will always be a Patriot. Ray Lewis, he'll always be a Raven. I think this has given me the opportunity to solidify that I will always be a Raven."

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 16, 2009, 11:03:27 AM
I heard on the radio that Favre is practicing with a high school team in Miss and is stringing the Vikes along until training camp starts to decide if he's coming back yet again.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 16, 2009, 11:03:27 AM
I heard on the radio that Favre is practicing with a high school team in Miss and is stringing the Vikes along until training camp starts to decide if he's coming back yet again.

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 12:06:09 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 16, 2009, 11:03:27 AM
I heard on the radio that Favre is practicing with a high school team in Miss and is stringing the Vikes along until training camp starts to decide if he's coming back yet again.

It is good that HS kids are learning to intercept passes from an NFL QB.

Quote from: Neil on July 16, 2009, 12:27:06 PM

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 12:06:09 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 16, 2009, 11:03:27 AM
I heard on the radio that Favre is practicing with a high school team in Miss and is stringing the Vikes along until training camp starts to decide if he's coming back yet again.

It is good that HS kids are learning to intercept passes from an NFL QB.

Gunslings.  The proper term for Favre passes is gunslings, especially when they are intercepted.

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Tony Homo an 87? Fuck that shit.

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Just noticed this, the Madden 10 ratings:

http://maddennfl.easports.com/cover.action

Tony Homo an 87? Fuck that shit.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 19, 2009, 09:28:04 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Tony Homo an 87? Fuck that shit.

No shit.  He should be a 92.

Quote from: Neil on July 19, 2009, 09:40:54 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 19, 2009, 09:28:04 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Tony Homo an 87? Fuck that shit.

No shit.  He should be a 92.

Well, he did break up with Jessica Simpson.

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2009, 09:43:42 AM

Quote from: Neil on July 19, 2009, 09:40:54 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 19, 2009, 09:28:04 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Tony Homo an 87? Fuck that shit.

No shit.  He should be a 92.

Well, he did break up with Jessica Simpson.

I'd ding him a few extra points just for that. Because Ms. Simpson has a nice personality and huge knockers.

Quote from: Neil on July 19, 2009, 09:39:54 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Just noticed this, the Madden 10 ratings:

http://maddennfl.easports.com/cover.action

Tony Homo an 87? Fuck that shit.

They've included a new mechanic that makes him an 87 during most of the season, but a 57 during December and January and a 27 in 4th quarters/OT during that period.

Quote from: Neil on July 19, 2009, 09:39:54 AMAnd they rate the Cowboys higher than the Ravens, even though Baltimore handed Dallas the most humiliating defeat in the history of the team, in front of their fans, their all-time greats, and the world.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 19, 2009, 01:25:27 PM

Quote from: Neil on July 19, 2009, 09:39:54 AMAnd they rate the Cowboys higher than the Ravens, even though Baltimore handed Dallas the most humiliating defeat in the history of the team, in front of their fans, their all-time greats, and the world.

Goddamn, that was hilarious game.

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 19, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Just noticed this, the Madden 10 ratings:

http://maddennfl.easports.com/cover.action

Tony Homo an 87? Fuck that shit.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 19, 2009, 03:26:21 PM
Sage has a 50 carrying rating.  :D

Quote from: Neil on July 19, 2009, 03:38:22 PM
But a 99 helicopter-in-midair-while-fumbling rating.

QuoteMcNair had alcohol in his system
Ex-Ravens QB had BAC twice legal limit for driving when he died

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Authorities say former Ravens quarterback Steve McNair had a blood-alcohol level twice Tennessee's legal limit for driving when his girlfriend shot him to death.

Tennessee Assistant Medical Examiner Feng Li said Monday that a toxicology report showed a trace amount of marijuana in the body of Sahel Kazemi. Police say the 20-year-old Kazemi shot McNair July 4 in a Nashville condo before killing herself.

Police say McNair was likely asleep when he was shot twice in the head and twice in the chest.

Li said there was no way to tell from the report how long before McNair's death he had been drinking.

Kazemi was arrested for drunken driving in Nashville two days before the shooting. Police video of the arrest showed her telling the officer that she was high.

QuoteHackett, 3 other wide receivers to try out for Ravens
Club seeks depth at position after Mason's surprise retirement announcement

The Ravens made their first move since Derrick Mason's retirement announcement, inviting four mid-level wide receivers for a tryout on Friday.

While all the names can't be confirmed, it is believed that D.J. Hackett will be the most recognizable receiver at the workout.

Hackett, 28, was released by the Carolina Panthers after catching 13 passes for 181 yards and no touchdowns last season. The 6-foot-2, 208-pound receiver turned down a tryout with the Ravens earlier this offseason because he was dealing with his wife's pregnancy.

"D.J. just wants to play football," said Kevin Robinson, Hackett's agent. "He is certainly intrigued by the opportunity."

A Ravens official couldn't confirm any names or whether a workout had been scheduled.

The agents for receivers Amani Toomer and Justin McCareins said they wouldn't be at the workout. Other free-agent receivers available include: Drew Bennett, Darrell Jackson, Robert Ferguson, Koren Robinson and Ike Hilliard.

There has been speculation that Marvin Harrison, who is considered the top free-agent receiver left, might wait until the middle of training camp before making a decision.

The Ravens are looking to add some depth at wide receiver in the wake of Mason's unexpected retirement announcement. Mason, the Ravens' top receiver the past four seasons, is expected to meet this week with coach John Harbaugh, who returns from vacation in a couple of days.

Based on the fact that the Ravens aren't going after a big-name receiver, it appears that the team sees some hope in changing Mason's mind. Mason, who was limited this entire offseason while recovering from shoulder surgery, might have been sidelined for the first couple of weeks of training camp anyway.

So, the Ravens might be content on waiting through mid-August on Mason's final decision.

With Mason's uncertain status, the Ravens need to add a wide receiver with NFL experience. The Ravens' top four receivers are Mark Clayton, Demetrius Williams, Marcus Smith and Kelley Washington.

In his first three NFL seasons (all with the Seattle Seahawks), Hackett averaged 35 receptions and caught a total of nine touchdowns. He signed a two-year, $3.5 million contract with the Panthers in 2008 but was cut after recording career lows in receptions, yards and touchdowns.

Quarterbacks, rookies and select veterans report to Ravens training camp on Monday (July 27).

Quote from: katmai on July 20, 2009, 08:09:55 PM
gf i'll make up league this week, for a draft around 21st of Aug

Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 20, 2009, 08:15:28 PM

Quote from: katmai on July 20, 2009, 08:09:55 PM
gf i'll make up league this week, for a draft around 21st of Aug

I'll be there.

Quote from: Neil on July 20, 2009, 08:25:50 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 20, 2009, 08:15:28 PM

Quote from: katmai on July 20, 2009, 08:09:55 PM
gf i'll make up league this week, for a draft around 21st of Aug

I'll be there.

Tom Brady's going to get injured again.

Quote from: katmai on July 20, 2009, 08:09:55 PM
gf i'll make up league this week, for a draft around 21st of Aug

Quote from: charliebear on July 23, 2009, 08:07:16 AM
We're #32!  Woo Hoo!   :punk:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings?GT1=39002 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings?GT1=39002)

Quote from: Valmy on July 23, 2009, 08:17:02 AM

Quote from: charliebear on July 23, 2009, 08:07:16 AM
We're #32!  Woo Hoo!   :punk:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings?GT1=39002 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings?GT1=39002)

The Redskins add a bunch of good players and they are only ranked #17 behind ten loss teams from last year?

Good they always do bad when the media crowns them pre-season champs.

QuoteAs expected, the 2010 NFL draft will get started on Friday Thursday night, and it will become a three-day affair.

The draft gets rolling with the first round on Thursday night, April 22, at 7:30 p.m. ET.

Rounds two and three will be held on Friday night, April 23, beginning at 6:30 p.m. ET.

And then they'll wrap it all up beginning at 10:00 a.m. ET on Saturday, April 24.

Quote from: charliebear on July 23, 2009, 08:07:16 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings?GT1=39002 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings?GT1=39002)

Quote from: Neil on July 23, 2009, 08:56:49 AM
The Steelers are going to have a hard time repeating when all the other women that Worthlessberger raped start coming out of the woodwork to get their cheques.

Quote from: Strix on July 23, 2009, 04:14:42 PM
Is the Raven's defense planning a press conference or something soon?

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2009, 04:14:37 PM
Once again, the league and MSSM  conspire against Baltimore.  Typical.

Quote from: derspiess on July 23, 2009, 04:19:01 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2009, 04:14:37 PM
Once again, the league and MSSM  conspire against Baltimore.  Typical.

Ah, it's that time of year again.  I was starting to miss the whining.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2009, 04:14:37 PM

Quote from: charliebear on July 23, 2009, 08:07:16 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings?GT1=39002 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings?GT1=39002)

The Ravens, after appearing in the AFC Championship game, are ranked 12th, behind 4 other teams that, oh, didn't appear in the AFC Championship game.
Once again, the league and MSSM  conspire against Baltimore.  Typical.

Quote from: Neil on July 23, 2009, 06:36:42 PMI assume that they're considering Mason retired.  If Mason goes and they don't sign a legitimate receiver, there's a legitimate knock on the team.  Unless the Ravens are going to start videotaping opposing players in the toilets, Patriots-style, they'll have a hard time making it to the Superbowl with Clayton and Williams.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2009, 06:53:08 PM

Quote from: Neil on July 23, 2009, 06:36:42 PMI assume that they're considering Mason retired.  If Mason goes and they don't sign a legitimate receiver, there's a legitimate knock on the team.  Unless the Ravens are going to start videotaping opposing players in the toilets, Patriots-style, they'll have a hard time making it to the Superbowl with Clayton and Williams.

He's been harping all year about extending his contract past this season, which they said they wouldn't talk about.
He had the most serious surgery of his career after last season.
One of his best friends blew his brains out, and ruined his summer.
Harbaugh's camp is not the Camp Cream Puff they were used to under Billick, and to be avoided at all costs.

He'll be in camp by the 3rd preseason game.

Quote from: Neil on July 23, 2009, 06:57:21 PM
I hope so.  The fact that he hasn't filed any paperwork is promising.

QuoteOn Tuesday night, Harbaugh had a "man-to-man" talk with Mason at the receiver's house -- their first sitdown since Mason's retirement announcement on July 13 -- and they discussed everything from his family to the team to the death of Steve McNair.

Harbaugh told The Baltimore Sun that he couldn't put a percentage on the chances of Mason coming back.

"I don't have an opinion on whether he'll be back because I have no idea," Harbaugh said. "Nothing's changed and Derrick was very clear about that through our conversation.

"I'm hopeful that he'll be back because he's a good player. A Derrick Mason who is fully committed and focused on football makes us a better team."

Mason did not return phone calls from The Sun. His agent previously said the earliest Mason would speak to the media would be the end of the month.

Veteran players report to Ravens training camp Wednesday. The first full-team practice open to the public is July 31.

Asked whether the team has placed a timetable for Mason to make a final decision, Harbaugh said, "We're staying away from that now. That's between Derrick's agent and [general manager Ozzie Newsome]."

The Ravens are being very cautious not to pressure Mason. Because he probably would have been limited the first couple of weeks anyway (he is recovering from offseason shoulder surgery), the team could probably wait for Mason's decision until mid-August.

Team officials are likely taking this sensitive approach because they believe Mason's announcement was motivated by a personal situation. There had been speculation earlier that Mason, who is entering the final year of his contract, was trying to gain leverage for a new deal.

By the time Harbaugh had finished talking to Mason on Tuesday, he said it was clear that the receiver's announcement "wasn't a tactic of any kind."

"We love him and care about him," Harbaugh said. "I told him that we want him on our team but we respect his decision either way."
....
"I think Derrick will give us an honest decision," Harbaugh said. "If he comes back, it will be full-go, 100 percent. If he doesn't, it'll be full-go, 100 percent into the next phase of his life. He's kind of at a fork in the road and he wants to make the best possible decision."

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 23, 2009, 07:41:26 PM
So, is one of the teams going to move to LA, or is that just a rumor?

QuoteNFL shifts draft start to prime time
First round will take place on Thursday as event moves to three days

NEW YORK - The NFL is making its already popular draft even more television-friendly, moving the first round to Thursday night.

Next year's draft will switch from a two-day, weekend format to a three-day event with the opening round in prime time for the first time.

The NFL said Thursday that the first round will begin at 7:30 p.m. on April 22. The second and third rounds will open at 6:30 p.m. on Friday and the last four rounds will start Saturday morning.

The draft will continue to be televised by ESPN and NFL Network and held at Radio City Music Hall. It was a Saturday-Sunday event from 1995-2009.

Thursday is typically the most-watched night of television. A total of 39 million viewers watched the draft this year.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 23, 2009, 07:41:26 PM
So, is one of the teams going to move to LA, or is that just a rumor?

Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2009, 08:11:06 AM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 23, 2009, 07:41:26 PM
So, is one of the teams going to move to LA, or is that just a rumor?

LA already has a professional football team.

QuoteRavens sign receiver Bennett to one-year deal
Team adds 30-year-old wide-out after trying out group of four

The void left by the sudden retirement of Ravens wide receiver Derrick Mason has been filled by another former Tennessee Titan.

The club announced a one-year deal with Drew Bennett after the 30-year-old veteran completed a tryout with three other receivers Friday morning and passed a physical later this afternoon.

"At this time of year, it's good to be able to pick up a player who has been very productive in the league, and that includes against our defense," Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said in a statement. "Drew has been very competitive against us. We obviously liked his workout today. We wanted to make sure he was healthy and that he still had the things we've seen against us and on film."

Prior to climbing into a car waiting to transport him from the team's training facility in Owings Mills to take his physical, Bennett -- who met with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the Atlanta Falcons, Cleveland Browns and Titans this offseason -- said he thought he did what was necessary in the workout.

"I'm used to it now," Bennett said. "[I've] been to a couple of these, but I thought it went well. I feel good, I feel healthy, I feel strong, all the corny stuff you're supposed to say when you have a workout. But I feel like I'm in good shape, and it went well. I caught the ball well, I feel comfortable."

Bennett beat out former Seattle Seahawk D.J. Hackett, former Detroit Lion Chris Hannon and rookie Justin Brown at Friday's workout.

Hackett, 28, who has caught 118 passes for 1,575 yards and nine touchdowns in five seasons, was thought to be Bennett's primary competitor. But Hackett sounded glum about his prospects after the workout.

"I'm going back home," he said. "The workout went good. Just running routes. Everything went fine."

The 6-foot-5, 196-pound Bennett joins Ernie Wheelwright as the tallest wide receiver on the Ravens' roster and provides the offense with a big red-zone target, something it has been lacking for years.

In eight years, Bennett has caught 307 passes for 4,412 yards and 28 touchdowns. He had his best season in 2004, when he registered 80 receptions for 1,247 yards and 11 touchdowns with the Titans.

But in his last two seasons – both with the St. Louis Rams – he caught a combined 34 passes for 379 yards and three touchdowns. Bennett broke a bone in his left foot in the season opener against the Philadelphia Eagles last September and missed the remainder of the season.

Bennett, who waived by the Rams two years into a six-year, $30 million deal, said the recovery process was lengthy, but insisted that the foot is completely healed.

"I thought it was going to be six to eight weeks, and really it was bothering me all the way up until February," he said. "It took a little while to get back into where I don't feel it at all. It's been probably three months now since I've had any problems with it or felt it at all."

Bennett's medical history did not seem to scare off the Ravens.

"Drew's situation is a lot like [tight end] L.J. Smith, who we added earlier this offseason," Newsome said. "Both are proven veterans coming off injuries, and they are looking for the opportunity to resurrect their careers."

Bennett could bolster a receiving corps gutted by Mason's decision to retire earlier this month. Without Mason who led the Ravens in receiving in three of the last four seasons, the offense is left with Mark Clayton, Demetrius Williams, Marcus Smith and Kelley Washington -- a foursome that combined for 55 receptions and four touchdowns last season.

Like many Ravens fans, Bennett said he is hoping that Mason changes his mind.

"D-Mase is still a good friend of mine, so I would love a chance -- especially coming to a team with new guys -- to be able to have somebody that you're comfortable with right off the bat," Bennett said. ... But I think D-Mase will find his way. He's always been very passionate, and I think if he's ready to take the next step in his life, then so be it. And if he's not, then he'll be back."

Note: With rookies reporting Monday to training camp, the Ravens have two unsigned draft picks, offensive tackle Michael Oher (first round) and defensive end-linebacker Paul Kruger (second round). It is believed that the Ravens are closer to signing Oher.

QuoteThe Drew Bennett era in Baltimore ends
Posted by Mike Florio on July 26, 2009 10:12 PM ET
The Drew Bennett experiment in Baltimore has ended.

After a grand total of two days.

Bennett worked out for the team on Friday and signed a one-year deal.  General Manager Ozzie Newsome raved about Bennett.

And now Bennett is retiring.

The news first surfaced on the Twitter page of ESPN Future's Adam Schefter.

Bennett's agent is circulating a statement regarding the situation.  We've received a copy of it.

"After returning home from Baltimore this weekend, a previous knee injury flared up, making me realizing that I am unable to play another NFL season," Bennett said in the statement.  "Therefore, I have decided to retire from the National Football League.  I want to thank coach [John] Harbaugh, [offensive coordinator Cam] Cameron and Ozzie Newsome for offering me the opportunity to be a part of their outstanding organization, and apologize to them for this unfortunate situation.

"The Ravens are a first-class organization that I was truly excited to join.  After an offseason of workouts and rehab, I thought I was ready to play again, but it became apparent over this weekend that while my mind is willing, my body will not be able to make it through another NFL season.  I have been blessed to have the opportunity to play in the NFL for as long as I have, but it is time for me to move on to the next chapter in my life."

Quote from: sbr on July 26, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
In other shocking news Brett Favre has not decided if he wants t play football yet.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txvikingsfavre&prov=st&type=lgns

Quote from: Alcibiades on July 26, 2009, 10:06:52 PM

Quote from: sbr on July 26, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
In other shocking news Brett Favre has not decided if he wants t play football yet.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txvikingsfavre&prov=st&type=lgns

Gawd he is really milking it.   :rolleyes:

Quote from: Neil on July 26, 2009, 10:08:25 PM

Quote from: Alcibiades on July 26, 2009, 10:06:52 PM

Quote from: sbr on July 26, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
In other shocking news Brett Favre has not decided if he wants t play football yet.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txvikingsfavre&prov=st&type=lgns

Gawd he is really milking it.   :rolleyes:

Favre has really devastated his legacy.  He went from being a good ole' boy who was gunslinging for love of the game, to a hard-bitten, calculating media-whore.

Quote from: sbr on July 26, 2009, 10:19:14 PM

Quote from: Neil on July 26, 2009, 10:08:25 PM

Quote from: Alcibiades on July 26, 2009, 10:06:52 PM

Quote from: sbr on July 26, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
In other shocking news Brett Favre has not decided if he wants t play football yet.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txvikingsfavre&prov=st&type=lgns

Gawd he is really milking it.   :rolleyes:

Favre has really devastated his legacy.  He went from being a good ole' boy who was gunslinging for love of the game, to a hard-bitten, calculating media-whore.

It is too bad, for almost all of his career, up to just last year, he was one of the things to love about the NFL; you could he loved to play the game, he was a good ole boy, never missed a game, played the day after his father passed away and was one of, if not the best ever.  Now no matter how fair it is, he will always be seen as the guy who couldn't make a decision, or was an attention whore.

Quote from: Alcibiades on July 26, 2009, 10:06:15 PM
:lol:

Seriously, two days?

Quote from: Grey Fox on July 27, 2009, 08:50:09 AM
Katmai, the week has passed.

QuoteNEW YORK -- Michael Vick is back in the NFL. Now all he needs is a team to play for.

Vick, free after serving 18 months in prison for running a dogfighting ring, was reinstated with conditions by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday. He could participate in regular-season games as early as October.

Vick can immediately take part in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and can play in the final two preseason games -- if he can find a team that will sign him. A number of teams have already said they would not.

Once the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games, and Goodell said he would consider Vick for full reinstatement by Week 6 (Oct. 18-19) at the latest.

According to ESPN's Sal Paolantonio, a source close to Vick expressed "shock" over the severity of Vick's punishment and said Vick will reapply for full reinstatement as early as Week 1.

Goodell suspended Vick indefinitely in August 2007 after the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback admitted bankrolling a dogfighting operation on his property in Virginia. At the time, Goodell said Vick must show remorse before he would consider reinstating him.

"I accept that you are sincere when you say that you want to, and will, turn your life around, and that you intend to be a positive role model for others," Goodell said in his letter to Vick. "I am prepared to offer you that opportunity. Whether you succeed is entirely in your hands."

"Needless to say, your margin for error is extremely limited," the letter said. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you and to dedicate yourself to rebuilding your life and your career. If you do this, the NFL will support you."

Vick, once the highest-paid player in the league, said he was grateful for a second chance.

"I would like to express my sincere gratitude and appreciation to commissioner Goodell for allowing me to be readmitted to the National Football League," Vick said in a statement released by his agent, Joel Segal. "I fully understand that playing football in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and I am truly thankful for the opportunity I have been given.

"As you can imagine, the last two years have given me time to revaluate my life, mature as an individual and fully understand the terrible mistakes I have made in the past and what type of life I must lead moving forward."

The announcement came after a busy first week of freedom for Vick, who met with union leaders and Goodell on consecutive days last week. His 23-month federal sentence ended when an electronic monitor was removed from his ankle early on July 20 at his home in Hampton, Va.

He met with DeMaurice Smith, executive director of the NFL Players Association, last Tuesday and, on Wednesday, he sat down with Goodell at a security firm in Allendale, N.J.

Goodell suggested that preventing Vick from playing at the start of the regular season wasn't a punishment but an opportunity for the quarterback to gradually make a transition back into the league.

"I have thought about every alternative, but I think this gives him the best chance for success," Goodell said. "We are not looking for failure here. We are looking to see a young man succeed."

But Vick's issues are far from over and he needs a team to call his own. Already, the owners of the New York Giants and New York Jets said they have no interest in the 29-year-old quarterback, who was officially released by the Falcons last month.

Vick filed for bankruptcy protection last July, listing assets of about $16 million and debts of more than $20 million, and has a hearing about his plan to repay his creditors on Friday in Newport News, Va. That plan is built around his ability to make NFL-type money again.

He's unlikely to command anything close to the 10-year, $130 million contract he once had with the Falcons, or to get endorsement deals after the grisly details of his involvement in the dogfighting ring.

Vick finally pleaded guilty after his three co-defendants had already done so. They told of how Vick participated in the killing of dogs that didn't perform well in test fights by shooting, hanging, drowning or slamming them to the ground.

Vick's appearances at federal court in Richmond, Va., all came with large groups of protesters outside. Many were with PETA and held signs depicting photographs of Pit Bulls ravaged in dogfights and decrying the brutality in the gruesome details that emerged in the case.

A smaller group came to show support for Vick wearing jerseys with his No. 7.

Vick has already taken some steps to begin rebuilding his image and showing remorse.

He met with the president of the Humane Society of the United States while serving the first 18 months of his federal sentence in the prison at Leavenworth, Kan. He plans to work with HSUS in a program designed to steer inner city youth away from dogfighting. He was not permitted to work with the program while in custody.

"I know that he's thrilled, and I'm happy to have the process moving in the right direction," NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith said.

"It's been a long process," Segal added. "He's thrilled for the opportunity to resume his playing career. He understands he has a lot to prove."

Quote from: Neil on July 27, 2009, 03:06:52 PM
You know, I'm getting pretty tired of Roger Goodell.  He's shooting his mouth off about Michael Vick, who he's conditionally reinstated.  The guy was busted for dogfighting, which isn't a serious crime at all.  Don't be an ass.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 27, 2009, 05:18:08 PM

Quote from: Neil on July 27, 2009, 03:06:52 PM
You know, I'm getting pretty tired of Roger Goodell.  He's shooting his mouth off about Michael Vick, who he's conditionally reinstated.  The guy was busted for dogfighting, which isn't a serious crime at all.  Don't be an ass.

Fuck Oogie.  Country ass nigger deserved more than what he got.

Quote from: Neil on July 27, 2009, 09:49:42 PM
For dogfighting?  Fuck off.  He deserved a slap on the wrist.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 28, 2009, 04:00:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcxMsC3ny8g

Christ.

Edit:  NFL Network is showing that Fins - Jets game from 2000.  Heh heh.

Quote from: Vince on July 28, 2009, 10:10:26 AM
One of the few bright spots for NY in the Jets - Fins rivalry. 

Quote from: Barrister on July 28, 2009, 05:53:44 PM
Too bad - it would have been fun to have Favre wearing purple.

But I heard faint rumblings that the Vikings should now go after Vick.  No fucking way.  I'll take Sage or Tavaris over Vick any day.  It has nothing to do with dog-killing, but everything to do with being a shitty quarterback who'se been away from the game for 2 years.

Quote from: Valmy on July 28, 2009, 10:15:48 AM

Quote from: Vince on July 28, 2009, 10:10:26 AM
One of the few bright spots for NY in the Jets - Fins rivalry. 

I don't really recall that many great things happening for the Fins either since 1974.

QuoteEagles chairman Jeffrey Lurie praised Johnson for his leadership skills and the person he was.

"For 10 years, Jim Johnson was an exceptional coach for the Philadelphia Eagles, but more importantly, he was an outstanding human being," Lurie said. "As an integral part of the Eagles family, Jim epitomized the traits of what a great coach should be—a teacher, a leader, and a winner ... It was easy to feel close to him."

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 29, 2009, 02:26:49 AM
In.  Just need to think of a name...

Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2009, 02:26:00 AM
Grey Fox,

League has been created, all folks interested please pm me or post in this thread again and i'll send info to join...

so let's see if Foxy can defend his title the lucky little quacker.

Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2009, 02:26:00 AM
League has been created, all folks interested please pm me or post in this thread again and i'll send info to join...

Quote from: ehrie on July 29, 2009, 08:59:04 AM
I am: in. Same name as last year: Chewable Steriods

QuotePosted by ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas

Remember those Creamsicle uniforms the Bucs used to wear? They're coming back this year. For one game anyway.

The Bucs just announced they're holding a Friday press conference to reveal they're going to break out their throwback uniforms for the Nov. 8 game against Green Bay.

Quote from: JacobL on July 29, 2009, 05:46:45 PM

QuotePosted by ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas

Remember those Creamsicle uniforms the Bucs used to wear? They're coming back this year. For one game anyway.

The Bucs just announced they're holding a Friday press conference to reveal they're going to break out their throwback uniforms for the Nov. 8 game against Green Bay.

Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2009, 02:26:00 AM
Grey Fox,

League has been created, all folks interested please pm me or post in this thread again and i'll send info to join...

so let's see if Foxy can defend his title the lucky little quacker.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 29, 2009, 06:00:14 PM

Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2009, 02:26:00 AM
Grey Fox,

League has been created, all folks interested please pm me or post in this thread again and i'll send info to join...

so let's see if Foxy can defend his title the lucky little quacker.

I'm in!

Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2009, 01:08:26 PM

Quote from: ehrie on July 29, 2009, 08:59:04 AM
I am: in. Same name as last year: Chewable Steriods

Must have been that name in other league, LFFL you were Extra Special Teams

Quote from: JacobL on July 29, 2009, 05:46:45 PM

QuotePosted by ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas

Remember those Creamsicle uniforms the Bucs used to wear? They're coming back this year. For one game anyway.

The Bucs just announced they're holding a Friday press conference to reveal they're going to break out their throwback uniforms for the Nov. 8 game against Green Bay.

Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2009, 07:07:08 PM
pm sent to seedy, timmay i sent email to address you had on record

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 07:41:48 PM

Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2009, 07:07:08 PM
pm sent to seedy, timmay i sent email to address you had on record

Awesome password.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 30, 2009, 05:40:47 AM
With the Ravens signing Oher yesterday, the Ratbirds, Steelheads and Jets are the only teams that have signed their entire rookie draft classes.

As for the rest of you, your favorite team sucks.

Quote from: Vince on July 30, 2009, 07:36:34 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 30, 2009, 05:40:47 AM
With the Ravens signing Oher yesterday, the Ratbirds, Steelheads and Jets are the only teams that have signed their entire rookie draft classes.

As for the rest of you, your favorite team sucks.

I wouldn't consider that too big an accomplishment for NY considering their draft class was only three guys.

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 30, 2009, 08:00:51 AM
I noticed on the interwebs that Troy Smith tossed a 99 yard TD pass in practice.

Fucker must have been having flashbacks back to Ohio State.

Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2009, 07:07:08 PM
pm sent to seedy, timmay i sent email to address you had on record

Quote from: Grey Fox on July 30, 2009, 10:48:12 AM
This is nice, especially for Timmy,  Stattracker will be free this year.

Quote from: Neil on July 30, 2009, 09:41:33 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 30, 2009, 08:00:51 AM
I noticed on the interwebs that Troy Smith tossed a 99 yard TD pass in practice.

Fucker must have been having flashbacks back to Ohio State.

Hopefully the Ravens will have Troy practice hard so that they don't need to call a timeout everytime he steps onto the field.  It drove me crazy all last year.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 30, 2009, 05:40:47 AM
With the Ravens signing Oher yesterday, the Ratbirds, Steelheads and Jets are the only teams that have signed their entire rookie draft classes.

As for the rest of you, your favorite team sucks.

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 30, 2009, 04:52:00 PM
I hoping the Raiders waive DHB.  Bitch thinks he deserves a big pay day.  He spent almost all of the workout days sitting in the trainer's room nursing hamstring injuries.  Hey pal, all you have going for you is speed, if you can't run you're fucking useless.

Quote from: Grey Fox on July 30, 2009, 10:48:12 AM
This is nice, especially for Timmy,  Stattracker will be free this year.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 30, 2009, 05:08:26 PM

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 30, 2009, 04:52:00 PM
I hoping the Raiders waive DHB.  Bitch thinks he deserves a big pay day.  He spent almost all of the workout days sitting in the trainer's room nursing hamstring injuries.  Hey pal, all you have going for you is speed, if you can't run you're fucking useless.

Any idea how much they signed him for?  I haven't seen any numbers yet.

Quote from: Vince on July 30, 2009, 05:24:33 PM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 30, 2009, 05:08:26 PM

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 30, 2009, 04:52:00 PM
I hoping the Raiders waive DHB.  Bitch thinks he deserves a big pay day.  He spent almost all of the workout days sitting in the trainer's room nursing hamstring injuries.  Hey pal, all you have going for you is speed, if you can't run you're fucking useless.

Any idea how much they signed him for?  I haven't seen any numbers yet.

AP reports 5 years/38 mill.  23.5 guaranteed.

Quote from: Vince on July 30, 2009, 05:24:33 PM
AP reports 5 years/38 mill.  23.5 guaranteed.

Quote from: Neil on July 30, 2009, 05:12:29 PM

Quote from: Grey Fox on July 30, 2009, 10:48:12 AM
This is nice, especially for Timmy,  Stattracker will be free this year.

I wonder why?  Yahoo never does anything out of kindness.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 30, 2009, 05:38:07 PM

Quote from: Vince on July 30, 2009, 05:24:33 PM
AP reports 5 years/38 mill.  23.5 guaranteed.

:blink:

Quote from: Vince on July 30, 2009, 05:24:33 PM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 30, 2009, 05:08:26 PM

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 30, 2009, 04:52:00 PM
I hoping the Raiders waive DHB.  Bitch thinks he deserves a big pay day.  He spent almost all of the workout days sitting in the trainer's room nursing hamstring injuries.  Hey pal, all you have going for you is speed, if you can't run you're fucking useless.

Any idea how much they signed him for?  I haven't seen any numbers yet.

AP reports 5 years/38 mill.  23.5 guaranteed.

Quote from: Barrister on July 31, 2009, 05:53:41 PM
I can't see either.

The Raidahs may love taking in rejects, but they haven't given up on Russell yet.  The Cowboys haven't given up on Romo either.

Quote from: Neil on July 31, 2009, 06:22:22 PM

Quote from: Barrister on July 31, 2009, 05:53:41 PM
I can't see either.

The Raidahs may love taking in rejects, but they haven't given up on Russell yet.  The Cowboys haven't given up on Romo either.

Even if they do give up on Russell, didn't they sign Jeff Garcia?

Quote from: Barrister on July 31, 2009, 06:31:10 PM

Quote from: Neil on July 31, 2009, 06:22:22 PM

Quote from: Barrister on July 31, 2009, 05:53:41 PM
I can't see either.

The Raidahs may love taking in rejects, but they haven't given up on Russell yet.  The Cowboys haven't given up on Romo either.

Even if they do give up on Russell, didn't they sign Jeff Garcia?

Did they?

Poor Jeff...  :(

Quote from: sbr on July 31, 2009, 06:33:35 PM
The Patriots wouldn't shock me; Belichek loves versatile players and they have strong enough leadership to keep Vick from getting sideways at all.  They are one of the few teams to still be considering him.  I also think they like to take on "troubled" players and turn them around; see Dillon, Cory and Moss, Randy.

Quote from: Neil on July 31, 2009, 06:50:55 PM

Quote from: sbr on July 31, 2009, 06:33:35 PM
The Patriots wouldn't shock me; Belichek loves versatile players and they have strong enough leadership to keep Vick from getting sideways at all.  They are one of the few teams to still be considering him.  I also think they like to take on "troubled" players and turn them around; see Dillon, Cory and Moss, Randy.

Why would Vick play in New England?  They wouldn't pay him what a shittier team would, and he'd have to live in the most racist part of the US six months out of the year, which wouldn't be good for his recovery.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 01, 2009, 02:38:44 AM
55 looks like he might be fucking up there.

Quote from: Neil on August 01, 2009, 06:33:29 AM
Looks like he's holding him, in order to make up for getting beat bad.  That's a good time to hold.

QuoteWhile many questions remain after the Ravens' first full-team practice of training camp, one was answered resoundingly Friday: Fans still have a love affair with No. 52.

Ray Lewis rankled some of his most ardent supporters five months ago when he didn't make it clear during free agency that he wanted to return to the Ravens. But a fervent announced crowd of 11,078 welcomed the middle linebacker with open arms at McDaniel College.

When Lewis stepped onto the field to start his 14th training camp, fans shrieked and started chanting his name. One woman asked for a kiss and he obliged with a peck on the cheek. In the crowd, Lewis' jersey was the most popular. Down the street at Harry's Main Street Grille, someone carried a sign that read: "Ray-vens."

"I don't want to ever go anywhere," said Lewis, who re-signed for $44.5 million over seven years (essentially $22 million over three seasons). "I'm bred here, and I'm going to end my career here. [Signing elsewhere] is just not worth what's invested in my city, what I give back to my city and what my city gives back to me. There's no greater reward than that. I love Baltimore."

This is Lewis' town. And this remains Lewis' defense and team.

At 34, he is the oldest player on the Ravens. But his teammates contend that only makes him wiser.

The 10-time Pro Bowl linebacker is still the unequivocal leader.

"He's like King Leonidas; he's been out there and fought the war," said Tavares Gooden, who will start beside Lewis for the first time this season. "He just doesn't do it one time. He doesn't play hard for one week. He does it all the time. So, you can't question him. That's when you say, 'Let me follow him because I want to be great.' "

This year, the Ravens will have to hustle to follow Lewis. After bulking up to 260 pounds last season (to help him provide more of a punch on tackles), he has slimmed down 15 pounds after talking to new linebackers coach Vic Fangio.

With a four-man rotation ( Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, Justin Bannan and Brandon McKinney) clogging up the middle, Lewis wanted to be fast enough to meet running backs at the hole.

"Ray is like the Michael Jordan on this team," free safety Ed Reed said. "His work ethic is totally off the charts. His intensity and his character and what he knows about the game is what makes you want to get better. Ray is just that father on the field that's getting guys lined up and they can learn to play the game by just watching them."

There has been some concern about how the departure of coordinator Rex Ryan will affect the defense. But the Lewis Factor has been in effect for the past decade.

Under three coordinators (Marvin Lewis to Mike Nolan to Ryan), the Ravens' defense has finished sixth or better for nine of the past 10 seasons. The common thread on the field has been Lewis.

"If it's anybody's defense, it's Ray's defense," coach John Harbaugh said. "Obviously, a great tradition has been built here, and you've got to say that he's been what it's been built around."

Lewis' excellence is matched only by his longevity.

He has already played more seasons than the other great linebackers in NFL history - Dick Butkus (nine seasons), Jack Lambert (11) and Mike Singletary (12). With the Ravens, Lewis is the only player remaining from the team that won the 2001 Super Bowl and represents the last link to the inaugural 1996 season.

"Many times when guys get older, they really lose their passion for the game before they lose their physical abilities," Fangio said. "But football is in [Lewis'] blood. I think he'll be one of those guys that we'll have to kick out of here rather than retire on his own."

There seemed to be a chance that Lewis might exit Baltimore over the offseason.

A few days before the Pro Bowl, Lewis acknowledged in an interview with the NFL Network that he would be interested in both the Dallas Cowboys and the New York Jets. Then, leading up to the start of free agency, Cowboys linebacker DeMarcus Ware said Lewis told him it was his "dream" to play in Dallas.

Asked about his "flirtations" with other teams, Lewis said with a laugh: "I flirt when I pass by a beautiful woman walking down the street. That doesn't mean I talk to her."

Now, Lewis is back with the Ravens, where he wants to reward the cheers with another championship.

"Making plays for me is the easiest thing I can do. Influencing men is what my challenge is every day," Lewis said. "When you ask me if I'm good, I'm only better because what's around me is better. Every year, they said, 'Your defense is getting old.' But it's hard to be old when you're always No. 1 or No. 2. Those things will energize me day in and day out to come back and always be a better leader."

QuoteOne of the first things you notice about Michael Oher is his explosion. When he comes off the snap of the ball, he can get an opponent's attention quickly. Upon first contact, he can make heads turn, which he did Friday in his first full practice as a Raven.

"Strong. Just so strong - as in really strong," Ravens outside linebacker Terrell Suggs said of Oher, the former University of Mississippi offensive tackle and the Ravens' top draft pick in April.

There were many other compliments.

"If that man keeps working, he is going to be an absolute beast," said Ravens defensive tackle Justin Bannan, who butted heads with Oher several times Friday.

It was a solid debut for Oher at the practice fields on the McDaniel College campus. Oher had missed the first three days because of a contract holdout, but on Day 4, he started making a name for himself.

Oher, the No. 23 overall pick in the first round, will wear No. 74. You can see what the Ravens liked in him and why they might pay Oher as much as $13.8 million over the next five years.

At 6 feet 4 and 310 pounds, Oher is built like two brick houses. Usually, when offensive tackles come out of college, they have a frame like a power forward or have too much baby fat.

Oher is a tweener, and this big man can run.

"He is in really good shape, really good condition," Ravens offensive line coach John Matsko said. "The offseason program really helped him, and he did a really good job on his running test."

It wasn't so easy with some of the other tests on the field. If you're a rookie offensive lineman, you don't want to have your NFL baptism against a team that has as much depth on the defensive line as the Ravens.

During a two-hour morning practice, Oher had to go against Trevor Pryce, Bannan and Brandon McKinney. On passing downs, he had to battle Suggs or Pryce. And this wasn't an offseason minicamp.

"It was full throttle, full speed, and this is what it's all about," Oher said. "I wasn't nervous. I was ready to practice. I did some positive things, and some things that weren't so good. But I have to stay positive and stay focused because I can get a lot better."

Agreed.

The athleticism in Oher is clearly evident. There are times when he can overpower an opponent on a running play, as he did against tackle Dwan Edwards. There were two occasions when he double-teamed with left tackle Jared Gaither on an unbalanced line, and they just blew defensive linemen away.

But Oher has a lot of work to do, especially in pass protection. He has a tendency to stand too high and get overextended. He is still confused about the playbook and appears to step to his left when he should step to his right and step to his right when he should step to the left.

But that passion, brute strength and athleticism is always on display.

"I got to keep working on the fundamentals of the game," Oher said. "I like Coach Matsko. He wants you to be hard-working, and he wants you to be physical and nasty. He wants you to step on peoples' throats."

You have to love that mentality. But football isn't all physical, especially for offensive linemen. It's also a thinking man's game, and Matsko says Oher is picking up the offense quickly.

"He has some work to do, like they all do," Matsko said. "When you're first starting out, you are nowhere near where you want to be. You just keep working, and each time you put your hand in the ground, you have to do better than the last time.

"Michael is very willing, and has a big, big heart with great determination. He's a lot of fun to be around, is very bright and has great retention."

All signs point to Oher's becoming a good offensive lineman. The Ravens might have gotten a glimpse of his future Friday.

"He probably was a little nervous, but he had a good first day," Bannan said. "He is athletic and really quick. When you're a rookie, you need to be like a sponge and soak everything up, and then apply it. But I ain't telling him a thing. I don't want him getting the upper hand on me. Eventually, he is going to be a beast out there."

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 01, 2009, 10:03:25 AM
You forgot that Buddy Lee himself, Kelly Gregg, is back and 100% healthy.

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Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 01, 2009, 02:38:44 AM
55 looks like he might be fucking up there.

Looks like he's holding him, in order to make up for getting beat bad.  That's a good time to hold.

Quote from: sbr on August 01, 2009, 03:56:30 PM
Derek Mason has returned from his sabbatical, should be at practice tomorrow.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-ravens-masonreturns&prov=ap&type=lgns

QuoteCurry missing on second day of Seahawks' camp

By GREGG BELL
AP SPORTS WRITER

RENTON, Wash. -- Seahawks top draft choice Aaron Curry remains unsigned and absent on the second day of Seattle's training camp.

Seattle finished the first of two practices Saturday without the No. 4 overall pick.

The Seahawks are counting on Curry to start at outside linebacker.

The team and Curry's representatives continue to negotiate in what Seahawks general manager Tim Ruskell has called a "nonstop" effort.

Ruskell has said the sticking point is Curry's representatives basing their position on the $28 million guaranteed that fifth overall pick Mark Sanchez got from the New York Jets.

The Seahawks believe top quarterbacks traditionally get richer deals than players at other positions.

Quote from: Neil on August 02, 2009, 11:03:36 AM
Vince Young Texans jersey?  That's just weird.  And he's a divisional opponent, to boot.

College football fans are weird.

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Quote from: Neil on August 02, 2009, 11:03:36 AM
Vince Young Texans jersey?  That's just weird.  And he's a divisional opponent, to boot.

College football fans are weird.

I'm inclined to think that dude happened to have that jersey made prior to the draft in anticipation of the Texans picking Vince Young #1, and since authentic Reebok customized jerseys are like $250, it's the only one he's got...so..you know...that's what he has to wear when he checks out TC.

Or he's just a tool.  :P

Quote from: CBSSportslineALBANY, N.Y. -- Eli Manning has agreed to a new six-year, $97 million contract extension with the New York Giants that will make him the highest-paid player in the NFL with an average salary of roughly $15.3 million.

A person close to the talks who asked not to be identified because the deal was not signed says Manning is guaranteed $35 million under the deal which will keep him with the Giants through the 2015 season.

Manning, who led the Giants to a Super Bowl upset of the New England Patriots in February 2008 and was named the MVP of the game, was in the final year of the contract he signed as the No. 1 overall pick in 2004.

Manning took over as the Giants starter midway through his rookie season and he has led New York to the playoffs in each of the past four seasons.

Quote from: Neil on August 02, 2009, 08:43:51 PM
Only retards thought that the Texans would pick Young.  And it turns out that Mario Williams has performed better than any of the other top 10 picks in that draft, with the possible exception of D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

Quote from: Strix on August 05, 2009, 09:08:11 AM

Quote from: CBSSportslineALBANY, N.Y. -- Eli Manning has agreed to a new six-year, $97 million contract extension with the New York Giants that will make him the highest-paid player in the NFL with an average salary of roughly $15.3 million.

A person close to the talks who asked not to be identified because the deal was not signed says Manning is guaranteed $35 million under the deal which will keep him with the Giants through the 2015 season.

Manning, who led the Giants to a Super Bowl upset of the New England Patriots in February 2008 and was named the MVP of the game, was in the final year of the contract he signed as the No. 1 overall pick in 2004.

Manning took over as the Giants starter midway through his rookie season and he has led New York to the playoffs in each of the past four seasons.

:bleeding:

He hasn't even cracked the top 10 in Passer Rating in his career during any season and he becomes the highest paid? WTF Giants!

He actually threw less TD's last season than in any season he started.  Granted he cut his interceptions in half but I am not sure that merits being given such a hefty raise. He was still the 11th most intercepted QB last season.

He basically gives you 20-24 TD's and 15-18 INT's a season with a passer rating in the high 70's. I am not sure that even makes him the most valuable player on his team let alone in the NFL.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 05, 2009, 09:18:07 AM

Quote from: Neil on August 02, 2009, 08:43:51 PM
Only retards thought that the Texans would pick Young.  And it turns out that Mario Williams has performed better than any of the other top 10 picks in that draft, with the possible exception of D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

To be honest, Ferguson was the only one in that draft that I didn't have to sort of....convince myself....that he'd be useful (for obvious reasons).  Mario Williams wasn't even really on the radar, of course.  It was either Bush, Young, or Ferguson, with Reggie Bush, obviously, being the primary one. 

They did get Eric Winston later (3rd round) in that draft though, and he has become an excellent RT.  They drafted Charles Spencer one pick ahead of Winston to be their LT, but his leg got destroyed by Ron Dayne, and he plays....somewhere else now.

Quote from: Strix on August 05, 2009, 09:08:11 AM
:bleeding:

He hasn't even cracked the top 10 in Passer Rating in his career during any season and he becomes the highest paid? WTF Giants!

He actually threw less TD's last season than in any season he started.  Granted he cut his interceptions in half but I am not sure that merits being given such a hefty raise. He was still the 11th most intercepted QB last season.

He basically gives you 20-24 TD's and 15-18 INT's a season with a passer rating in the high 70's. I am not sure that even makes him the most valuable player on his team let alone in the NFL.

Quote from: Vince on August 05, 2009, 10:56:31 AM
I'm a little surprised D'Brick is held in such high regard from that draft class.  Don't get me wrong that's the guy I wanted the Jets to draft and I'm a big proponent of building the lines first but even up until last year there were still annoying Jets fans bitching about passing on Leinhart/Cutler claiming D'Brick was a bust.

QuoteI don't know when I'll start again. But I will be the next black quarterback to win a Super Bowl. And I will be in the Hall of Fame.

Quote from: Neil on August 05, 2009, 10:38:53 AM

Quote from: Strix on August 05, 2009, 09:08:11 AM

Quote from: CBSSportslineALBANY, N.Y. -- Eli Manning has agreed to a new six-year, $97 million contract extension with the New York Giants that will make him the highest-paid player in the NFL with an average salary of roughly $15.3 million.

A person close to the talks who asked not to be identified because the deal was not signed says Manning is guaranteed $35 million under the deal which will keep him with the Giants through the 2015 season.

Manning, who led the Giants to a Super Bowl upset of the New England Patriots in February 2008 and was named the MVP of the game, was in the final year of the contract he signed as the No. 1 overall pick in 2004.

Manning took over as the Giants starter midway through his rookie season and he has led New York to the playoffs in each of the past four seasons.

:bleeding:

He hasn't even cracked the top 10 in Passer Rating in his career during any season and he becomes the highest paid? WTF Giants!

He actually threw less TD's last season than in any season he started.  Granted he cut his interceptions in half but I am not sure that merits being given such a hefty raise. He was still the 11th most intercepted QB last season.

He basically gives you 20-24 TD's and 15-18 INT's a season with a passer rating in the high 70's. I am not sure that even makes him the most valuable player on his team let alone in the NFL.

Superbowl-winning QBs get a lot of money, especially if their clutch play resulted in the Superbowl win.  People who have their deals done this year make more money than people who got their deals in 04 or 05, like Peyton or Tom Brady.  When their contracts run out after the 2010 season, and assuming they're both still playing at a high level, Eli's deal will look like chickenfeed next to what they'll get.

Besides, look at the Giants.  They don't really have any marquee players.  Their big wideout is done forever.  They have a platoon back system.  Their loudmouth, overrated ex-TE is trying to avoid getting his ass kicked by Drew Brees, and while Boss is good, he's not going to conquer the league or become a national personality.  Their D is full of workmen, but only Pierce really has a big name, and even then he's second-flight.  Eli is the face of the franchise, and so he gets paid extra.

Quote from: Vince on August 05, 2009, 10:56:31 AM
I'm a little surprised D'Brick is held in such high regard from that draft class.  Don't get me wrong that's the guy I wanted the Jets to draft and I'm a big proponent of building the lines first but even up until last year there were still annoying Jets fans bitching about passing on Leinhart/Cutler claiming D'Brick was a bust.

Quote from: ehrie on August 06, 2009, 08:48:41 AM
Justin Tuck is workman? O_o

Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2009, 09:19:34 AM
Those Jets fans are kinda stupid though.  Passing on Leinart's noodle arm and Cutler's inconsistant play (and massive ego) is looking pretty clever to me.  How did Leinart do as QB, even though he had one of the top two receiving tandems in the NFL?  What did Cutler do when the pressure was on last year?  Cutler is 17-20 as a starter, and hasn't made the playoffs once, on a team that made the playoffs every year under Jake Plummer.  Leinart is 7-9, and some of those wins belond to Kurt Warner coming in as backup.  Based on their records, the Jets would be better trying to sign Plummer (68-67) out of retirement.

Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2009, 09:03:28 PM
Well, all the teams that passed on Crabtree are looking pretty smart right now.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 06, 2009, 10:25:49 PM

Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2009, 09:03:28 PM
Well, all the teams that passed on Crabtree are looking pretty smart right now.

:nelson @ 49ers

Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2009, 07:21:30 PM
Poor Jets.  They have no chance of winning their division, what with Brady coming back to lend his arm to the Cheatriots and the Dolphins having a better D and better QB.  And the wildcard scene isn't pretty, what with strong second-place contenders in place for 3 of the 4 divisions.

Quote from: Vince on August 07, 2009, 11:12:55 AM

Jets will make the playoffs you watch.  Rex Ryan will turn the Jets D into one of the best in football.  Bart Scott will be the Ray Ray of the AFC East and make Brady wish he stayed on IR.   :menace:

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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 06, 2009, 10:25:49 PM

Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2009, 09:03:28 PM
Well, all the teams that passed on Crabtree are looking pretty smart right now.

:nelson @ 49ers

:Embarrass: :mad:

Quote from: Vince on August 07, 2009, 11:12:55 AM

Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2009, 07:21:30 PM
Poor Jets.  They have no chance of winning their division, what with Brady coming back to lend his arm to the Cheatriots and the Dolphins having a better D and better QB.  And the wildcard scene isn't pretty, what with strong second-place contenders in place for 3 of the 4 divisions.

Jets will make the playoffs you watch.  Rex Ryan will turn the Jets D into one of the best in football.  Bart Scott will be the Ray Ray of the AFC East and make Brady wish he stayed on IR.   :menace:

Quote from: Neil on August 07, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
Sure, just like Marvin Lewis made the Bengals into a defensive powerhouse, or Mike Nolan revitalized San Francisco.  Or the way Billick turned Baltimore into the highest scoring team in NFL history, right?

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 07, 2009, 06:07:02 PM

Quote from: Neil on August 07, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
Sure, just like Marvin Lewis made the Bengals into a defensive powerhouse, or Mike Nolan revitalized San Francisco.  Or the way Billick turned Baltimore into the highest scoring team in NFL history, right?

You also forgot such notables as future HOF Jamie Sharper with the Texans, and Wheaties Box Cover Boy Adalius Thomas with the Cheatriots.  Big careers there.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 07, 2009, 06:07:02 PM
You also forgot such notables as future HOF Jamie Sharper

QuoteDid Roethlisberger accuser brag about sex?
Woman who made rape claim reportedly 'did not appear to be upset'

updated 5 minutes ago

RENO, Nev. - The woman suing quarterback Ben Roethlisberger for alleged sexual assault has been accused of bragging about having consensual sex with him to a co-worker.

According to court documents filed late Friday, Angela Antonetti said the woman who made the rape claim "did not appear to be upset, stressed-out or nervous" about her time with the Pittsburgh Steelers star during a 2008 celebrity golf tournament at Lake Tahoe.

Antonetti says her Harrah's hotel-casino co-worker "appeared happy and boastful" about it and later said she thought she might be pregnant from the encounter.

Lawyer Cal Dunlap, who represents the woman, declined to comment.

In her lawsuit, the 31-year-old Nevada woman says the two-time Super Bowl winner raped her, a claim he vehemently denies.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 08, 2009, 04:51:12 PM
What a shocking development  :rolleyes:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 08, 2009, 06:29:28 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 08, 2009, 04:51:12 PM
What a shocking development  :rolleyes:

Fuck you.  Tyson's alleged victim did the same thing, and his black ass still went to jail.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 08, 2009, 07:08:05 PM
Seahawks sign Curry

...the deal is for six years and $60 million, with $34 million guaranteed, according to a league source.

Quote from: Strix on August 08, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
Tyson didn't win two Superbowls.  ;)

Quote from: Neil on August 08, 2009, 10:30:21 PM

Quote from: Strix on August 08, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
Tyson didn't win two Superbowls.  ;)

Worthlessberger isn't being tried in Pittsburgh.

Quote from: Strix on August 08, 2009, 10:32:41 PM

Quote from: Neil on August 08, 2009, 10:30:21 PM

Quote from: Strix on August 08, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
Tyson didn't win two Superbowls.  ;)

Worthlessberger isn't being tried in Pittsburgh.

Unlike the Ravens, the Steelers travel well as a franchise. Just like Starbucks you can find fans on any street corner in the United States. Tyson was a big fish in a little circle. You say "Big Ben" anywhere in the US and it isn't a clock tower in London that first comes to people's minds.

Quote from: Neil on August 08, 2009, 10:38:01 PM

Quote from: Strix on August 08, 2009, 10:32:41 PM

Quote from: Neil on August 08, 2009, 10:30:21 PM

Quote from: Strix on August 08, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
Tyson didn't win two Superbowls.  ;)

Worthlessberger isn't being tried in Pittsburgh.

Unlike the Ravens, the Steelers travel well as a franchise. Just like Starbucks you can find fans on any street corner in the United States. Tyson was a big fish in a little circle. You say "Big Ben" anywhere in the US and it isn't a clock tower in London that first comes to people's minds.

I very much doubt that.

Besides, bandwagoners or no, Nevada will execute Roethlisberger.

Quote from: citizen k on August 08, 2009, 08:06:39 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 08, 2009, 07:08:05 PM
Seahawks sign Curry

...the deal is for six years and $60 million, with $34 million guaranteed, according to a league source.

Seattle is getting hosed by a rookie. The third overall draft pick "just" got $31 million guaranteed.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 09, 2009, 03:24:32 AM

Quote from: citizen k on August 08, 2009, 08:06:39 PM
Seattle is getting hosed by a rookie. The third overall draft pick "just" got $31 million guaranteed.

He's can't miss, not like the quaterbacks that everyone's been slobbering over.

Quote from: Neil
Really?  Tell that to Brian Bosworth.

Quote from: Neil on August 08, 2009, 10:38:01 PM

Quote from: Strix on August 08, 2009, 10:32:41 PM

Quote from: Neil on August 08, 2009, 10:30:21 PM

Quote from: Strix on August 08, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
Tyson didn't win two Superbowls.  ;)

Worthlessberger isn't being tried in Pittsburgh.

Unlike the Ravens, the Steelers travel well as a franchise. Just like Starbucks you can find fans on any street corner in the United States. Tyson was a big fish in a little circle. You say "Big Ben" anywhere in the US and it isn't a clock tower in London that first comes to people's minds.

I very much doubt that.

Besides, bandwagoners or no, Nevada will execute Roethlisberger.

Quote from: derspiess on August 09, 2009, 01:50:56 PM
As much as I dislike Roethlisberger, I can't bring myself to engage in any of this schadenfreude.  This whole thing smelled of "crazy stuipid bitch trying to grab money" from the beginning.

QuoteMoving on to *real* criminals, I went to Bungles training camp yesterday.  Kinda cool since I hadn't been to one in the while, but I probably watched no more than 10-15 plays since I was busy chasing my kid all over the place.  After the fake scrimmage (shoulderpads & helmets only), they had a "family barbecue" & my kid threw a ball that hit Carson Palmer in the knee.

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on August 07, 2009, 05:58:44 PM

Quote from: katmai on August 07, 2009, 12:02:12 AM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 06, 2009, 10:25:49 PM

Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2009, 09:03:28 PM
Well, all the teams that passed on Crabtree are looking pretty smart right now.

:nelson @ 49ers

:Embarrass: :mad:

Say what you will about DHB, but at this rate, even if he only has one catch all season he'll still make the Raiders look like the smarter Bay Area team. :cool:

Quote from: Neil on August 09, 2009, 02:35:17 PM
Be careful.  If your kid wrecks that fragile knee, how will you feel?

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 09, 2009, 05:30:59 PM
Also folks, Hall of Fame preseason game tonight. The Vince Young agony tour begins tonight.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2009, 07:54:40 PM
All former AFL teams should revert to their original uniforms.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 09, 2009, 08:52:53 PM
Edit:  They should shut up about Vick.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 09, 2009, 08:52:53 PM
Thank God football is here again.

Quote from: derspiess on August 09, 2009, 09:27:59 PM
The Bungles aren't doing the "Legacy Weekends" thing this season, as they weren't one of the original 8 AFL teams :( 

Quote from: Valmy on August 09, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
I never watch a football game until the first snap that counts.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 09, 2009, 10:24:23 PM
But by doing this, you miss all of Vince Young's playing time!

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 09, 2009, 10:33:43 PM
Hell it's only Kyle Orton in front of Simms, so it's not like it's some insurmountable obstacle for the dude.  Kerry Collins is getting pretty old and his liver just has to be ready to quit soon too.

Not that I give a flying shit about them after they leave Texas and go play for teams not called the Houston Texans.

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 09, 2009, 05:30:23 PM
I bet Sanchez's heart skipped a beat when Mangold injured his knee in camp.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 09, 2009, 10:33:43 PM
Hell it's only Kyle Orton in front of Simms, so it's not like it's some insurmountable obstacle for the dude.  Kerry Collins is getting pretty old and his liver just has to be ready to quit soon too.

Quote from: Valmy on August 09, 2009, 10:21:01 PM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 09, 2009, 08:52:53 PM
Thank God football is here again.

I am sorry Major League Baseball has more in common with an actual football season than the crapy NFL preseason games.

I never watch a football game until the first snap that counts.

Quote from: Neil on August 10, 2009, 06:31:34 AM
Yeah, but Young is in a bad spot.  He's in danger of being relegated to third string.  When Collins is done, there's no guarantee that the Titans will go to Vince Young.  He's in real danger of showing up on 'Top 10 Draft Busts' in a couple of years.

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2009, 08:33:03 AM
Communist.  <_<

Quote from: Valmy on August 10, 2009, 08:37:01 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2009, 08:33:03 AM
Communist.  <_<

Not even Stalin would have forced his political prisoners to pay that much to watch practice.

Quote from: Valmy on August 10, 2009, 08:37:01 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2009, 08:33:03 AM
Communist.  <_<

Not even Stalin would have forced his political prisoners to pay that much to watch practice.

Quote from: Valmy on August 10, 2009, 08:37:01 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2009, 08:33:03 AM
Communist.  <_<

Not even Stalin would have forced his political prisoners to pay that much to watch practice.

Quote from: Valmy on August 09, 2009, 10:22:39 PM
Um...the Dolphins were also an AFL expansion team are they not doing it either?  If not that is crap, the Bengals and the Dolphins were both AFL teams as much as the other 8 darnit.

Quote from: Neil on August 10, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
At any rate, that's a common saying by people who are stupid.  Just because the first-stringers aren't playing the whole game doesn't make it practice.  And given that the guys who are playing most of the game are battling for roster spots or starting positions, I guarantee you that most of them aren't half-assing it either.

Quote from: Neil on August 10, 2009, 08:52:02 AM
At any rate, that's a common saying by people who are stupid.  Just because the first-stringers aren't playing the whole game doesn't make it practice.  And given that the guys who are playing most of the game are battling for roster spots or starting positions, I guarantee you that most of them aren't half-assing it either.

QuoteIf you already get TV, it doesn't cost anything.

Quote from: Valmy on August 10, 2009, 09:22:51 AM
Any "game" where the score is meaningless is practice.  I am sure players go hard in practice to and good on them.  I don't wan't to see it though.

Quote from: Neil on August 10, 2009, 09:41:05 AM
You see?  I have defeated your weak definitional argument.  Now burn an offering to Me.

Quote from: Valmy on August 10, 2009, 09:43:17 AM
just like I don't really care about College Bowl Games. 

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2009, 09:46:11 AM
Unamerican.  <_<

Reported to the House Unamerican activities committee.

Quote from: Valmy on August 10, 2009, 09:46:58 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2009, 09:46:11 AM
Unamerican.  <_<

Reported to the House Unamerican activities committee.

Oh come now.  How many non-Ohio State bowl games do you actually watch anymore?

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 10, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
We need 1 more team in the LFFL.

Quote from: Valmy on August 10, 2009, 09:43:17 AM

Quote from: Neil on August 10, 2009, 09:41:05 AM
You see?  I have defeated your weak definitional argument.  Now burn an offering to Me.

Hey knock yourself out watching meaningless games I don't watch them...just like I don't really care about College Bowl Games.  At least those sort of count for warm fuzzies for next season.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 10, 2009, 11:24:39 AM

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 10, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
We need 1 more team in the LFFL.

Sounds fun, but I've never done fantasy football and I'd be pretty lost.

Quote from: Neil on August 10, 2009, 08:52:02 AM

Quote from: Valmy on August 10, 2009, 08:37:01 AM

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2009, 08:33:03 AM
Communist.  <_<

Not even Stalin would have forced his political prisoners to pay that much to watch practice.

If you already get TV, it doesn't cost anything. :huh:

At any rate, that's a common saying by people who are stupid.  Just because the first-stringers aren't playing the whole game doesn't make it practice.  And given that the guys who are playing most of the game are battling for roster spots or starting positions, I guarantee you that most of them aren't half-assing it either.

Quote from: sbr on August 10, 2009, 06:21:41 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 10, 2009, 11:24:39 AM

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 10, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
We need 1 more team in the LFFL.

Sounds fun, but I've never done fantasy football and I'd be pretty lost.

Did you just join?

When is the draft, I might be able to join if MIM didn't and I can make the draft.

Quote from: Barrister on August 10, 2009, 06:49:58 PM
The better question is why would you watch a boring pre-season game when there was a regular-season CFL game on at the same time?   :huh:

Quote from: katmai on August 10, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
only one spot left open so somebody better join!

Quote from: Valmy on August 09, 2009, 10:26:30 PM
Colt McCoy will be the next Longhorn hope to finally produce an NFL QB after Bobby Layne.

QuoteEllerbe another undrafted Ravens gem
Rookie linebacker has caught attention of veterans

Mike Preston
August 9, 2009

On draft weekend in April, University of Georgia linebacker Dannell Ellerbe kept watching the clock and waiting for the phone to ring. No NFL team called during the two days, as each hour passed slowly.

A lot of teams called shortly after the draft was over, but a dream and reportedly $2,000 more in bonus money persuaded Ellerbe to sign a free-agent contract with the Ravens.

And now the fight is on.

"I just want to prove myself and show everybody that I'm good enough to play in the NFL," Ellerbe said. "It's a personal matter."

Something certainly has Ellerbe stirred up and motivated. It usually takes rookies a few practices to catch on to the speed of the NFL game, including practices, but Ellerbe has been jacking up running backs from Day 1.

He has been so impressive that Pro Bowl outside linebacker Terrell Suggs doesn't call him by his name, but his jersey number. That's usually reserved for players like Suggs, and No. 52, Ray Lewis.

"No. 48, right from the beginning, you could see that he had talent and came here to hit," Suggs said. "He has been playing well. He has a good feel for the game, and he swarms to the ball. A lot of rookies come here but don't move well at first because they don't know where they're going. No. 48 never had that problem."

Ellerbe began training camp on the third team, but with starting inside linebacker Tavares Gooden in and out of the lineup with injuries, Ellerbe has split time on both the first and second teams.

When training camp opened at the end of July, Gooden was expected to challenge Jameel McClain for a starting inside position next to Lewis. Move over. Ellerbe is in the mix.

"The fact is that he has been a standout player for us in training camp, and it's going to be a great battle," said Eric DeCosta, the Ravens' director of player personnel. "We're working him with different personnel groups trying to get him acclimated with the system. He has all the physical ability in the world, and now we're all trying to put him in position to make plays."

Ellerbe, 6 feet 1, isn't a typical Ravens inside linebacker. The Ravens prefer their linebackers sleek so they can run and cover a lot of ground. Ellerbe is more of a thumper. In football terms, he's more of a downhill type who attacks the line of scrimmage.

"He is very strong at the point of attack," DeCosta said. "He has to shore some things up, obviously, but with his aggressiveness, demeanor, reckless style, violence and heavy hands, you have to believe that he could become a really good player in this league."

Right now, here's what you're thinking: If he was that good, then why wasn't he drafted?

One reason is off-the-field issues. In 2006, when Ellerbe was 20, he was suspended for three games after being arrested and charged with a DUI, underage possession of alcohol, theft of automobile and giving false information to police.

He also had a serious knee injury that cut his playing time as a senior, dropping his tackles from a team-leading 93 as a junior to 33 in 2008.

"There might have been some things he did in college when he was young that probably hurt him," DeCosta said. "There are also some guys who just slip through the cracks like a Bart Scott or Priest Holmes. He is an aggressive kid, very explosive and has been outstanding for us."

The Ravens thought Ellerbe was worth drafting, but didn't want to use another pick on a linebacker after taking Utah's Paul Kruger in the second round and Texas Christian's Jason Phillips in the fifth.

But they pounced on Ellerbe as soon as the draft was over. It was surprising that Ellerbe signed with the Ravens, a team loaded with young linebackers, such as Gooden, McClain, Prescott Burgess, Antwan Barnes, Phillips and Kruger.

"We always practiced hard at Georgia, and you always play hard in the SEC," Ellerbe said. "It was like a blessing to sign here. Even though I didn't get drafted, I still can come here and learn from the best. It's like a perfect fit.

"You have guys like Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs, they have helped me. In the coaches' room, Ray is always telling me what we did right and what we did wrong. I'm beginning to become comfortable with this defense in and out."

The next step for Ellerbe is seeing the game under real playing conditions. He knows there is practice speed and then there is preseason game speed. The NFL has two more notches, one for regular season and another for the postseason.

Ellerbe isn't afraid. He has matured through some tough times on the field and off.

"That draft weekend was one of the worst times in my life," he said. "I don't think I'm over it now, I'm just dealing with it better. I won't be over it until I prove myself in the NFL."

Quote from: katmai on August 10, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
only one spot left open so somebody better join!

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Quote from: katmai on August 10, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
only one spot left open so somebody better join!

I would join but would like to know when the draft is before I commit; I don't like having my team auto-picked if I can't be there.

Quote from: Barrister on August 10, 2009, 09:22:12 PM
I have no idea what my yahoo ID is.   :lol:

Can anyone remember?

Quote from: ulmont on August 10, 2009, 08:51:25 PM

Quote from: sbr on August 10, 2009, 08:48:07 PM

Quote from: katmai on August 10, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
only one spot left open so somebody better join!

I would join but would like to know when the draft is before I commit; I don't like having my team auto-picked if I can't be there.

I think it's an auto-pick no matter what, you just choose the priority order.

Quote from: katmai on August 11, 2009, 12:26:58 AM
It was reverted back to autodraft when last team joined, i'm moved it back to the live draft of 5pm EDT on Aug 23rd (Sunday)
And if you can't be there you can at least set your preferences for players and hope to luck out. :P

Quote from: katmai on August 11, 2009, 12:26:58 AM
It was reverted back to autodraft when last team joined, i'm moved it back to the live draft of 5pm EDT on Aug 23rd (Sunday)
And if you can't be there you can at least set your preferences for players and hope to luck out. :P

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on August 11, 2009, 01:18:30 AM
I vote for 20.  It's more fun dammit!  Plus, if we have interested people, why block them out of a Languish/KAPland tradition?

Quote from: katmai on August 11, 2009, 12:26:58 AM
5pm EDT on Aug 23rd (Sunday)

Quote from: Liep on August 11, 2009, 01:42:51 AM

Quote from: katmai on August 11, 2009, 12:26:58 AM
5pm EDT on Aug 23rd (Sunday)

Is 23 in CEST?

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 11, 2009, 06:44:45 AM
You didn't show interest?

Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2009, 02:26:00 AM
League has been created, all folks interested please pm me or post in this thread again and i'll send info to join...

so let's see if Foxy can defend his title the lucky little quacker.

QuoteESPN.com's Chris Mortensen reports the Eagles have signed Michael Vick to a two-year contract. Vick's agent has confirmed the deal.
Despite their training camp injuries, the Eagles are gunning for a Super Bowl title this season. ESPN's Jon Gruden suggested that they see Vick as a "missing piece," with offensive guru Andy Reid finding creative ways to utilize his talent. The Dungy/Vick team placed a high priority on stability, and the Joe Banner/Tom Heckert/Reid trio provide plenty of ballast. Vick is no threat to Donovan McNabb's starting job, but it may be an indication that Kevin Kolb's knee injury is more serious than originally believed.

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 13, 2009, 08:07:18 PM
Eagles vs Pats.

Gawd, that's awful :x

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 13, 2009, 09:36:38 PM
Brady looked so good.   :ccr

Quote from: Neil on August 13, 2009, 09:21:58 PM
At least the NFL has it's priorities straight, even if the justice system doesn't.  Vick is only suspended until Week 6, whereas Stallworth got the season for his homicide.

Quote from: Vince on August 13, 2009, 09:51:00 PM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 13, 2009, 09:36:38 PM
Brady looked so good.   :ccr

I saw him on Entourage last week and it looked like the fire was gone. The way he delivered those lines....no emotion whatsoever.

Quote from: Valmy on August 13, 2009, 10:09:48 PM
Thank Hod Vick did not end up with the Redskins.  My nightmare: averted.

QuoteThank Hod Vick did not end up with the Redskins.  My nightmare: averted.

Quote from: Barrister on August 12, 2009, 12:59:43 PM
I am definitely in and will register tonight.

Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 13, 2009, 10:26:28 PM
Oh God, I just looked up the stats on the Redskins-Ravens game. I'm glad I didn't see that travesty with my own eyes.:bleeding:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 14, 2009, 04:54:00 AM

Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 13, 2009, 10:26:28 PM
Oh God, I just looked up the stats on the Redskins-Ravens game. I'm glad I didn't see that travesty with my own eyes.:bleeding:

Yes, the Foreskins looked that bad.  It was beautiful.

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 14, 2009, 06:12:20 AM
I like the Eagles now that it's not the entirely all the McNabb show.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 13, 2009, 10:15:46 PM
New nightmare, Vick makes the decisive play in an Eagles win over the Redskins in the playoffs.

Quote from: Valmy on August 14, 2009, 08:02:13 AM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 13, 2009, 10:15:46 PM
New nightmare, Vick makes the decisive play in an Eagles win over the Redskins in the playoffs.

The Redskins are going to make the playoffs?! :w00t: :yeah:

Quote from: Neil on August 14, 2009, 08:43:56 AM

Quote from: Valmy on August 14, 2009, 08:02:13 AM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 13, 2009, 10:15:46 PM
New nightmare, Vick makes the decisive play in an Eagles win over the Redskins in the playoffs.

The Redskins are going to make the playoffs?! :w00t: :yeah:

It does seem pretty unlikely, but those wildcard spots in the NFC are wide open.  Unfortunately, the Redskins are playing in a division that's fairly good, what with the Giants, Eagles and pre-December Cowboys, and so it's pretty unlikely that they'll contend.  Not impossible though, especially if one of the Redskins QBs turns out to actually be good.

Still, getting shutout by the Ravens in preseason is not a good sign.  I mean, losing isn't so bad, especially since backups and guys who are going to get cut play most of the game anyways.  But getting shut out?  That means that nobody made a play.

Quote from: sbr on August 14, 2009, 08:47:43 AMThe Lions went 4-0 last preseason, there is absolutely nothing to be taken from any of it.

Quote from: Caliga on August 14, 2009, 08:49:09 AM

Quote from: sbr on August 14, 2009, 08:47:43 AMThe Lions went 4-0 last preseason, there is absolutely nothing to be taken from any of it.

Their opponents all probably used their scrimmage teams against the Lions.  Why bother playing your starters?  You'd have nothing useful to learn from a Lions game. :)

Quote from: Neil on August 14, 2009, 08:43:56 AM
It does seem pretty unlikely, but those wildcard spots in the NFC are wide open.  Unfortunately, the Redskins are playing in a division that's fairly good, what with the Giants, Eagles and pre-December Cowboys, and so it's pretty unlikely that they'll contend.  Not impossible though, especially if one of the Redskins QBs turns out to actually be good.

Still, getting shutout by the Ravens in preseason is not a good sign.  I mean, losing isn't so bad, especially since backups and guys who are going to get cut play most of the game anyways.  But getting shut out?  That means that nobody made a play.

Quote from: sbr on August 14, 2009, 08:47:43 AM
The Lions went 4-0 last preseason, there is absolutely nothing to be taken from any of it.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 14, 2009, 10:06:55 PM
Goodness.  Kyle Orton looks awful so far.

Quote from: Judas Iscariot on August 14, 2009, 10:11:18 PM
I thought he looked good outside of the redzone.  I'm so torn on him.  I loved him when he was with the Bears, but now I have to hate him that he's a Bronco. :(

Quote from: Caliga on August 14, 2009, 07:55:34 AM

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 14, 2009, 06:12:20 AM
I like the Eagles now that it's not the entirely all the McNabb show.

McNabb reminds me of Randall Cunningham.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 14, 2009, 10:06:55 PM
Goodness.  Kyle Orton looks awful so far.

Quote from: Vince on August 15, 2009, 07:19:51 AM
Rex Ryan continues to turn the Jets into last year's version of the Ravens with a rookie QB, 3-headed beast at RB and improved defense.

Quote from: Neil on August 15, 2009, 09:47:35 AM
Mind you, playing the Rams is a little different from playing a team that isn't horrible.

Quote from: Strix on August 15, 2009, 11:19:50 AM

Quote from: Neil on August 15, 2009, 09:47:35 AM
Mind you, playing the Rams is a little different from playing a team that isn't horrible.

So, it wasn't that much difference from scrimmaging themselves?  :P

Quote from: Neil on August 15, 2009, 11:54:32 AM
Ouch.  I dunno, it seems to me that the Jets are part of that middle ground of teams that are going to win a respectable number of games, but aren't going to the playoffs.  They should be able to secure third place in their division.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 15, 2009, 09:25:11 PM
:lol:  Bad Rex spotted.

"Fuck it I'm going deep" *throws to no one*
*fumbles for no reason on the next play*

Ahaha the punter fucked it all up, but just picked up the ball and ran for a first down.  And the Rex Grossman experiment seems to already be over.

Quote from: sbr on August 15, 2009, 09:30:50 PM
:o

Who is Sexy Rex playing for?  I didn't know anyone signed him.

Quote from: Strix on August 15, 2009, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: Neil on August 15, 2009, 11:54:32 AM
Ouch.  I dunno, it seems to me that the Jets are part of that middle ground of teams that are going to win a respectable number of games, but aren't going to the playoffs.  They should be able to secure third place in their division.

It will be an interesting battle for 2nd to last in that Division. Thomas Jones is coming off his best season as a Pro but he is turning 31 in a week or so. Will we see the 3.6 or 4.5 yards per carry guy? And with Washington holding out does that mean Thomas gets ground down even more with carries? And even if Washington signs soon will he even be effective as most hold out RB's seem to have a lot of injuries as a result of missing the preseason workouts. Throw a rookie QB without any outstanding wideouts in to the mix and you have a recipe for potentially something horrific. Oh, did I forget to mention a rookie Coach as well?

On the upside, I think the Jets will have a much better defense.  I think Ryan will bring toughness and a nasty character to the team with the help of the key defections from the Ravens.

Buffalo is of course the wild card in the equation. Their defense should be good. The major issue is Lynch getting suspended. It might help or hurt the team. It could help them by letting Owens be more of the offense at the beginning which could also backfire once Lynch returns. I think Rhodes and Jackson can replace Lynch well until his return especially with Buffalo switching to a no huddle style offense. Jauron is under pressure to win. If he along with his coaches can stop losing their usual 2-3 games a season because of their handling of the game than Buffalo should be a cold stone lock to finish at least 3rd in the Division.

On the downside (or upside if you aren't a Buffalo fan), the over/under is game 7 for Owens to throw Edwards and the coaching staff under the bus than back up over Jauron's still twitching corpse.

QuoteOakland Raiders head coach Tom Cable punched defensive assistant Randy Hanson in the jaw during an Aug. 5 altercation at the team's training camp headquarters at the Napa Valley Marriott, two sources told FanHouse.

National Football Post first reported Monday that Hanson, a third-year assistant who is in his first season with the team under the title "assistant coach-defense," had been hit by another member of the coaching staff, but did not specify the attacker.

Two NFL sources have told FanHouse that the assailant was Cable and "that Hanson never saw it coming."

Neither Hanson nor the coach who threw the punch were identified in a Napa, Calif., police report taken Aug. 6 at Queen of the Valley Hospital. But one well-placed NFL source told FanHouse of the attacker: "It's a well-known coach. Very well-known."

Pressed to confirm the identity of the attacker, the source said, "It was Cable who hit him."

Cable said after the Raiders' Monday afternoon practice in Napa: "It's an internal issue. I'm not going to comment on that." Bay Area reporters sent out Tweets saying follow up questions were cut off by a Raiders official.

Earlier, as players took the practice field, they were heard chanting "Cable Bumaye!" (Cable Kill Him) -- a reference to the infamous chant made famous by boxing fans in Zaire when Muhammad Ali knocked out George Foreman in the 8th round during the Rumble in the Jungle fight in 1974.

According to Napa Police Lt. Brian McGovern, police followed procedure in responding to the downtown Napa hospital when Hanson arrived to receive treatment for what was described as an injured jaw. X-rays were taken. The results are not known, although one NFL source told FanHouse Hanson sustained a fractured jaw as a result of the punch.

Hanson told police the alleged assault took place at the Raiders' training camp site the day before, but he refused to name the attacker, which is hindering a police investigation into whether misdemeanor or even felony assault charges may be filed. A jaw fracture could warrant felony charges, but the fact the victim is unwilling to pursue the matter criminally is not surprising, given the cloistered nature of the tight-knit NFL coaching fraternity.

The police report is not public record, McGovern said, because of concern for privacy rights of the alleged victim.

"The victim didn't even want any police action taken," McGovern told FanHouse, "but we were following hospital policy that authorities be contacted in cases where there may have been an assault."

McGovern said Napa Police consider the matter closed at this point, "unless we are re-contacted by the victim, and the victim changes their mind that they want us to follow through and pursue an investigation. At this point we're not doing anything else with it."

Another NFL source told FanHouse that Hanson was in the middle of a conversation with defensive coordinator John Marshall when the alleged attack occurred.

Hanson previously served under former Raiders coach Lane Kiffin as an assistant defensive backs coach. The two clashed famously in Sept. 2008 when Hanson was suspended by Kiffin after the defensive assistant openly questioned the Raiders' game plan following a 41-14 season-opening loss to the then-Mike Shanahan-coached Denver Broncos.

"It's a good thing that Shanahan didn't have our players," Hanson reportedly blurted out in the presence of other coaches, "or else he would have beaten us 1,000-0."

Kiffin suspended Hanson for five days, causing a rift among a divided Raiders coaching staff that caused owner Al Davis to intervene. By that time, Kiffin and former defensive coordinator Rob Ryan were openly battling over defensive philosophy. By Week 1 of the '08 season, Davis already was compiling a dossier to document reasons to dismiss Kiffin. The Hanson incident was one more page for the report.

Asked about the Hanson outburst, Kiffin said last September, "Randy had some personal issues going on. Randy still did some work for us, but he spent some time at home to get some things straight in his personal life."

Raiders senior executive John Herrera told the National Football Post that Cable would address the latest Hanson controversy following the team's practice on Sunday, but that did not happen.

The Raiders have a single 3:30 p.m. PT practice Monday, after which Cable is expected to answer questions about the alleged assault.

QuoteThe 2009 Raiders: "Cable, Bumaye!"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 17, 2009 8:52 PM ET
To no one's surprise, Raiders head coach Tom Cable failed to shed much light on his alleged assault of defensive assistant Randy Hanson in comments to the press Monday night.

According to the Oakland Tribune's Jerry McDonald, Cable said, "It's an internal matter and that's all I'm going to say."

Cable repeated it two more times just in case reporters thought he might crack.

Oakland's players, however, said it all with their actions before practice started.  The team reportedly started chanting "Cable, Bumaye!" while in warmups.

The hilarious and impressive reference is to Muhammad Ali's fight with George Foreman in Zaire, where the pro-Ali crowd's chant can roughly be translated to "Kill him!"

It's a safe bet that some enterprising Raiders fan is manufacturing T-shirts as we speak with the phrase on it.  Or at least someone should be.  [Editor's note:  Sorry, Gregg . . . we've already diverted your salary for the month to the "Orton Hears A Boo" bumper stickers.]

The team may be finding humor in the situation -- heck, it might become a rallying cry -- but Cable could face serious repercussions from the incident.  The chant certainly won't dispel multiple reports that Cable broke Hanson's jaw.

One also has to wonder about Hanson's future with the team.  He didn't hear the chant because he was the only Raiders coach absent from practice Monday.

When Hanson hears what happened, he might not enjoy the "Cable, Bumaye!" chant as much as we do.

Quote from: Neil on August 15, 2009, 10:45:51 PM
The real wildcard is Chad Pennington.  If he stays healthy and plays within himself like last year, Miami is a force to be reckoned with in that division.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 18, 2009, 10:46:41 AM
Fucking Farve, give it up! <_<

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 18, 2009, 10:56:07 AM

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 18, 2009, 10:46:41 AM
Fucking Farve, give it up! <_<

I heard on the radio on the way to work today that Favre was in a jet belonging to the Vikes.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 18, 2009, 10:59:40 AM
Pending a physical he's signing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4406963

Quote from: Barrister on August 18, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
I for one am ready to become a Favre fan.   :cool:

Quote from: Valmy on August 18, 2009, 11:47:46 AM

Quote from: Barrister on August 18, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
I for one am ready to become a Favre fan.   :cool:

Yeah well we will see how you feel after the first of his patented soul crushing INTs.

Quote from: Valmy on August 18, 2009, 11:47:46 AM

Quote from: Barrister on August 18, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
I for one am ready to become a Favre fan.   :cool:

Yeah well we will see how you feel after the first of his patented soul crushing INTs.

Quote from: Barrister on August 18, 2009, 02:58:00 PM
I think I can put up with Favre's occasional INTs as long as he can actually play.