With Spring practices starting, it is time to light the fires and begin the long, agonizing wait for the upcoming season.
To start off:
Fuck you Tim.
and...
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=930559
QuoteOhio State offense begins anew with Pryor
Tom Dienhart
Rivals.com College Football Senior Writer
Ohio State tied for the Big Ten title last season and finished with another loss in a BCS bowl.
Still, rather than piling on about the bowl loss, most observers gave Ohio State credit for getting into the BCS with a true freshman quarterback.
Terrelle Pryor's presence makes the Buckeyes a potentially dangerous offense, but one of the priorities this spring has to be overhauling the wide receiver corps. Defensively, finding two new starting linebackers will be the most important task.
Here's a look at the Buckeyes as they prepare for spring practice.
Ohio State AT-A-GLANCE
Terrelle Pryor will have to get used to a new group of backs and receivers.
THE BASICS
Coach: Jim Tressel
Last season: 10-3, 7-1 Big Ten. Lost to Texas in the Fiesta Bowl.
Spring dates: April 2-25
RETURNING STARTERS
Offense (4): C Michael Brewster, T Bryant Browning, G Jim Cordle, QB Terrelle Pryor.
Defense (8): CB Chimdi Chekwa, SS Kurt Coleman, E Thad Gibson, T Cameron Heyward, LB Ross Homan, FS Anderson Russell, E Lawrence Wilson, T Doug Worthington.
Special teams: None.
Positions of strength
The loss of cornerback Malcolm Jenkins hurts, but OSU will conduct spring practices with a veteran corps of defensive backs that may end up being the strength of the defense. The defensive line returns six players who started at least two games and four who started at least seven. Pryor should be one of the nation's most dynamic players.
Help is needed
There will be only two scholarship quarterbacks and running backs in spring drills. Another quarterback and three more running backs will arrive in June. With limited bodies at both key positions, the coaches must be prudent in how they conduct spring practices. Ohio State needs two new starting linebackers and two new starting wide receivers. A new starting tailback is needed, too.
Keep an eye on
G Justin Boren: He earned the respect of coaches and teammates while sitting out last season following his publicized transfer from Michigan. Boren, a junior, will be part of an offensive line that's replacing two starters. Boren better be ready.
RB Dan Herron: With Chris "Beanie" Wells off to the NFL a year early, all eyes will be on Herron. He showed flashes in a few starts last season when Wells was out with a toe injury. Is Herron capable of being the feature back?
LB Austin Spitler: James Laurinaitis is gone, putting the spotlight on Spitler. His eagerness earlier in his career resulted in some dubious personal-foul penalties; it's time for the senior to shine for a young group of linebackers.
His time is now
Defensive end Lawrence Wilson has missed big parts of the past two seasons because of injuries. Now a senior, Wilson needs to shine as a rusher off the edge. And if fellow senior end Rob Rose – who still is in search of a signature season – becomes a force, the Buckeyes could have one of the top lines in the nation.
The buzz
The defense teems with experience, so most eyes will be focused on the offense this spring. Pryor must continue to develop as a passer, and he'll need to develop chemistry with new targets now that Brian Hartline and Brian Robiskie are gone. Is Herron ready to take over for Wells behind an overhauled line?
Herron is encouraging sometimes. He doesn't have Wells' size or strength, but when he hits the pile, it moves forward. Unlike Maurice, who bounces off.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 04, 2009, 03:57:42 PM
Herron is encouraging sometimes. He doesn't have Wells' size or strength, but when he hits the pile, it moves forward. Unlike Maurice, who bounces off.
If Brandon Saine ever emerges, they would have a Reggie Bush type back. But he'll likely be lost behind Herron and the incoming freshmen. Although St. Tressel may convert him to a WR.
Ohio State gets ready to send it's next class of busts to the NFL draft.
Quote from: Neil on April 04, 2009, 06:21:15 PM
Ohio State gets ready to send it's next class of busts to the NFL draft.
:P
I bet Robiskie busts at least.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 04, 2009, 06:50:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 04, 2009, 06:21:15 PM
Ohio State gets ready to send it's next class of busts to the NFL draft.
:P
I bet Robiskie busts at least.
I remember thinking that about Holmes when he went in the draft early to support his baby mamma. :lol:
Arizona is looking forward to football season.
WTF is wrong with that sentence?
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=539375
personally, I don't buy it. <insert Timmay smiley>
QuoteMichigan's interest in Paulus raises red flag
Posted: April 16, 2009
Look closely, everyone. It's whipping in the wind, snapping and flapping right over Schembechler Hall.
That's a red flag you see -- and suddenly, things are a little more intriguing this offseason at Michigan.
"Every day that I threw the last couple of weeks," Greg Paulus said Thursday, "it has gotten better and better."
And now look: The guy who played point guard for Duke the past four seasons, who hadn't picked up a football in four years before, you know, getting his arm loose recently, could be the starting quarterback at Michigan this fall.
Maybe it's not really a red flag.
Maybe it's time to panic.
It's not Paulus' fault he wants to delay the inevitable of playing point guard in Bulgaria. The most hated player in college basketball -- why again is he hated, because he busted his tail? -- could soon be the most hated player in the state of Ohio.
Paulus says Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez has invited him to compete for the starting quarterback job. Why, you ask? Because Rodriguez has nothing else.
Or at least, he has nothing yet.
Paulus has one semester of eligibility left. If he graduates from Duke in May, he can enroll at a school as a graduate student and play this fall.
Greg Paulus, Wolverine?
Hayes: Sign of desperation
TSB: Is Michigan serious?
TSB: RichRod-olution of Wolverines football
The news: Duke says no way he's a QB
If Rodriguez wants Paulus to compete for the Michigan job -- Paulus hasn't accepted the offer yet -- that can only mean a number of things. Among them:
# The impressive numbers heralded recruit Tate Forcier put up in the spring game (11-of-13, 141 yards, four touchdowns; 41 yards rushing, one TD) against second- and third-team defenses don't tell the whole story. If Forcier were locked in atop the depth chart, if he picked up the offense quickly and was on track to assume control Sept. 5 against Western Michigan, there's no way Rodriguez tells Paulus he will have an opportunity to compete for the starting job.
Why get inside the head of a freshman -- only 15 practices into his college career and still comprehending the monster that is expectations, a new playbook, schoolwork and living on your own -- and make it significantly harder?
# Rodriguez isn't interested in 3-9 again -- which he'll get if 2008 part-time starter Nick Sheridan is forced to play because Forcier isn't ready or doesn't pan out.
# Rodriguez isn't waiting around to see if freshman Denard Robinson is the answer once the pads go on in August. Rodriguez thought it could work with Justin Feagin last fall, and now Feagin can't crack the three-deep at wideout.
There's no one else, people. If walk-on David Cone were the answer, he'd have played last year.
That's why Rodriguez has turned to Paulus, who four years ago was one of the top high school quarterbacks in the nation at Christian Brothers Academy in Syracuse. He set state records and threw for 11,763 yards and 152 touchdown passes in 45 career games, and had scholarship offers from Miami and Notre Dame.
But training for basketball and training for football are completely different ends of the spectrum. Paulus' 6-1, 185-pound body can't handle the weekly pounding in college football, and he'd have about four months to put on 20-30 pounds of "good" weight (see: muscle, not fat).
He hasn't kept up with defensive trends, hasn't read coverages, hasn't thrown to receivers, hasn't run the spread option offense, hasn't taken a hit in four years. Now, magically, it will all come back to him.
And this is someone who will compete for the starting quarterback job at Michigan?
"It's difficult when you haven't been playing quarterback in a long time just to step back in a pro-style offense and play," said Duke coach David Cutcliffe, who told Paulus he couldn't play quarterback in the Blue Devils' pro-style offense. "They've had quarterback issues (at Michigan), and certainly that offense would be more friendly with an athletic quarterback."
Earlier this decade, Rodriguez pulled a similar move at West Virginia when he allowed former prep phenom J.R. House to compete for the starting quarterback job after professional baseball didn't pan out. House was third on the depth chart because he wasn't really a fit for the offense and didn't fully comprehend the nuances of the position in the complicated scheme.
Fortunately, a freshman named Pat White emerged midway through the season and eventually became the most prolific quarterback in school history. Michigan can only hope that same scenario plays out again.
Or that red flag quickly will become white.
Matt Hayes covers college football for Sporting News and is an analyst on NFL Network's College Football Now. E-mail him at [email protected].
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2009, 09:08:18 AM
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=539375
personally, I don't buy it. <insert Timmay smiley>
If RichRod is serious, then this is just injury insurance. Paulus would only have a year of eligibility (which would be this season) and wouldn't get a scholarship, so there is no downside to bringing Paulus on, and having a warm body as a cleanup or emergency substitute wouldn't be all bad. I don't know how Paulus would affect team chemistry, though.
In the end, I don't think it is gonna happen, though.
I am now: impatient for the season to start.
The old games they are showing on ESPN classic and the Big Ten network has fired me up.
hell, I'm thinking of going to the Ohio State Spring game on the 25th. I need a hit man.
I've recorded three of these classic games:
- 2006 MSU v Northwestern, where MSU set a record for the biggest comeback in NCAA football history
- 1990 MSU v UM, where MSU won in the final seconds of the game
- 1998 MSU v OSU, upset city
Glory days. :cheers:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 18, 2009, 08:54:20 AM
hell, I'm thinking of going to the Ohio State Spring game on the 25th. I need a hit man.
Well, I guess you like the Laurenitis cock after all.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2009, 01:46:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 18, 2009, 08:54:20 AM
hell, I'm thinking of going to the Ohio State Spring game on the 25th. I need a hit man.
Well, I guess you like the Laurenitis cock after all.
Tressel's actually. While he is wearing the sweater vest.
God, you're a useless twat. You are hereby christened : Midwest Martinus.
:lol:
Quote from: charliebear on April 18, 2009, 10:35:31 AM
I've recorded three of these classic games:
You left out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Rose_Bowl ?!
Geez the few times the Big 10 beats USC should always be remembered.
Thanks! I'll be on the lookout for that one. I don't believe it's been aired yet.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 08:28:14 AM
You left out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Rose_Bowl ?!
Geez the few times the Big 10 beats USC should always be remembered.
The Michigan upset of USC the next year was even better! :P
The 1988 Rose Bowl was just a repeat of an earlier game that year, and the #8 Spartoons managed, as expected, to squeak by the (home) #16 Trojaans by a slightly narrower margin than they had managed at home earlier.
Quote from: grumbler on April 20, 2009, 10:03:43 AM
The Michigan upset of USC the next year was even better! :P
We don't care.
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:06:52 AM
Quote from: grumbler on April 20, 2009, 10:03:43 AM
The Michigan upset of USC the next year was even better! :P
We don't care.
Au contraire. A good Rose Bowl is the one where USC loses.
BTW does the BCS title game in 2010 count as a Rose Bowl or not?
I happen to like USC. Traditionally, they have a strong program and, win or lose, will give a good game. I like to see them win, except when they play MSU.
Notre Dame and Penn State used to be like this, too. You used to know that you were going to get a good game out of them. The past few years have been pitiful.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 11:11:50 AM
BTW does the BCS title game in 2010 count as a Rose Bowl or not?
Oh HELL no.
I apologize for the foul language.
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
I happen to like USC.
The lack of USC hatred in the Big 10 and PAC 10 never fails to amaze me. That school of rich spoiled punks must have some redeeming qualities I am not seeing.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
I happen to like USC.
The lack of USC hatred in the Big 10 and PAC 10 never fails to amaze me. That school of rich spoiled punks must have some redeeming qualities I am not seeing.
Valmy, you have to admit that they show up with their game faces on. It's that midwestern work ethic that has us liking their team, not necessarily the school.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
I happen to like USC.
The lack of USC hatred in the Big 10 and PAC 10 never fails to amaze me. That school of rich spoiled punks must have some redeeming qualities I am not seeing.
It's not like USC has a monopoly on spoiled punks.
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
Valmy, you have to admit that they show up with their game faces on. It's that midwestern work ethic that has us liking their team, not necessarily the school.
What? Ohio State and Michigan show up with their game faces on but nobody has a problem hating them.
Quote from: Neil on April 20, 2009, 11:22:34 AM
It's not like USC has a monopoly on spoiled punks.
Well there are spoiled punks and then there are spoiled punks from Los Angeles.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 11:24:12 AM
Well there are spoiled punks and then there are spoiled punks from Ann Arbor.
Just a slight correction.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
I happen to like USC.
The lack of USC hatred in the Big 10 and PAC 10 never fails to amaze me. That school of rich spoiled punks must have some redeeming qualities I am not seeing.
They just don't bother me for existing like Michigan State and Penn State do.
However, in the annual UCLA vs USC game, I always root for the Bruins.
Quote from: Valmy on April 20, 2009, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
Valmy, you have to admit that they show up with their game faces on. It's that midwestern work ethic that has us liking their team, not necessarily the school.
What? Ohio State and Michigan show up with their game faces on but nobody has a problem hating them.
Well, most of us can respect a team that dominates their conference, but when they are only able to dominate because the rest of the conference is bad, like the Big Ten, that doen't command the same respect.
Marriage has already rotted Valmy's brain as I can't stand Trojans..until they are in Bowl game where I then want all Pac-10 teams to win otherwise i have to deal with yokels like Derspicymoneybutt crowing about SEC/Big10/what ever damn red state conference they go on about.
There is nothing to like about USC.
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
Marriage has already rotted Valmy's brain as I can't stand Trojans..until they are in Bowl game where I then want all Pac-10 teams to win otherwise i have to deal with yokels like Derspicymoneybutt crowing about SEC/Big10/what ever damn red state conference they go on about.
Spicy is a West Virginatard.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 20, 2009, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
Marriage has already rotted Valmy's brain as I can't stand Trojans..until they are in Bowl game where I then want all Pac-10 teams to win otherwise i have to deal with yokels like Derspicymoneybutt crowing about SEC/Big10/what ever damn red state conference they go on about.
Spicy is a West Virginatard.
Damn that's right.
But call him a Marshall fan. That should fire him up.
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 03:38:57 PM
There is nothing to like about USC.
Agreed. I like all the Pac Ten teams except them (and whomever is playing the Big Ten that week). I will say that they don't excite my contempt like Miami of Florida, Michigan State, or Florida State, but that is because their fans are less obnoxious.
Quote from: grumbler on April 20, 2009, 08:43:38 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 03:38:57 PM
There is nothing to like about USC.
Agreed. I like all the Pac Ten teams except them (and whomever is playing the Big Ten that week). I will say that they don't excite my contempt like Miami of Florida, Michigan State, or Florida State, but that is because their fans are less obnoxious.
Yeah University of Spoiled Children fans aren't as annoying as Notre Dame and Miami Fla fans for sure.
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 08:50:26 PM
Yeah University of Spoiled Children fans aren't as annoying as Notre Dame and Miami Fla fans for sure.
Notre Dame's alumni and student fans are loud, but really no more obnoxious than (an admittedly fairly obnoxious) their Michigan equivalents. Their subway fans are totally obnoxious, but too stupid to use the internets. MSU, Miami Fla, and FSU fans spam every opponents' board they can get their hands on with the usual crap about how great they are, yadda yadda, until about the third game of the season.
USC fans do that just for the week before the game, and that is the way things are supposed to be.
Congressional Timmays are trying to destroy college football. :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2009, 09:41:36 AM
Congressional Timmays are trying to destroy college football. :(
I blame the Utards.
Go Wyo! Let's see a rise to mediocrity this season!
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 03:38:57 PM
There is nothing to like about USC.
Other than sheer envy, what is there to hate about USC? From afar it seems like a well-run and classy program. Now there is a lot of jealousy I suppose, and tiredness of them always being in some big bowl game, but surely in order to be truly hated there should be more than that?
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
Marriage has already rotted Valmy's brain as I can't stand Trojans..until they are in Bowl game where I then want all Pac-10 teams to win otherwise i have to deal with yokels like Derspicymoneybutt crowing about SEC/Big10/what ever damn red state conference they go on about.
Alaska is the reddest state there is. :wub:
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2009, 10:53:56 AM
Alaska is the reddest state there is. :wub:
'cause they're so close to the commies.
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2009, 10:53:33 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 03:38:57 PM
There is nothing to like about USC.
Other than sheer envy, what is there to hate about USC? From afar it seems like a well-run and classy program. Now there is a lot of jealousy I suppose, and tiredness of them always being in some big bowl game, but surely in order to be truly hated there should be more than that?
Those would be great points if in fact they were well run and classy. Instead they are classless dickwads with too much money and a over-bearing sense of entitlement.
And they are constantly under suspicion of buying players.
The only thing to like about USC is the fact that my niece is going there (she's in their computer animation program) on a full-ride scholarship. Other than that, they are worthless as UCLA.
GO CAL!
Quote from: PDH on May 01, 2009, 11:16:05 AM
The only thing to like about USC is the fact that my niece is going there (she's in their computer animation program) on a full-ride scholarship. Other than that, they are worthless as UCLA.
Well, you could like the fact that one of my Masters degrees is from there (though I earned it at LSE).
Okay, there are TWO things that are good abou USC.
Quote from: PDH on May 01, 2009, 01:19:41 PM
Okay, there are TWO things that are good abou USC.
The Song girls?
I must admit I enjoy watching USC women's softball and women's volleyball. :blush:
You have to mute the TV though. Most annoying fight song in the US. I'd rather listen to Falalalan.
USC should just play Tusk.
Boise State gets even more annoying:
http://www.broncosports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9900&ATCLID=3745288
And these fags want a BCS berth.
Valmy, I have crunched the numbers, and I think that the Texas loss to Wyoming this year will be pretty hard for you to take. You better not come up and watch in person, it could be a bitter and long ride home :)
Jake Heaps currently the #1 rated QB prospect is reported to have picked BYU over homestate U of W...Washington not that lame Wyoming!
Quote from: katmai on June 03, 2009, 08:24:11 PM
Jake Heaps currently the #1 rated QB prospect is reported to have picked BYU over homestate U of W...Washington not that lame Wyoming!
We already got some quarterbacks...Bay Area dude who fits into Christensen's Missouri offense. Now, Wyoming needs some receivers...linemen...running backs...tight ends...
Quote from: PDH on June 03, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
We already got some quarterbacks...Bay Area dude who fits into Christensen's Missouri offense. Now, Wyoming needs some receivers...linemen...running backs...tight ends...
Yeah UDub is chasing after Nick Montana (Joe's kid) and another California QB as well since the starting QB is a Junior this season.
Quote from: katmai on June 03, 2009, 08:32:43 PM
Quote from: PDH on June 03, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
We already got some quarterbacks...Bay Area dude who fits into Christensen's Missouri offense. Now, Wyoming needs some receivers...linemen...running backs...tight ends...
Yeah UDub is chasing after Nick Montana (Joe's kid) and another California QB as well since the starting QB is a Junior this season.
Nick Montana just doesn't sound as cool as Joe Montana.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2009, 09:33:16 PM
Nick Montana just doesn't sound as cool as Joe Montana.
Maybe it is short for Nicholas Davout Montana.
Quote from: Valmy on June 04, 2009, 07:57:58 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2009, 09:33:16 PM
Nick Montana just doesn't sound as cool as Joe Montana.
Maybe it is short for Nicholas Davout Montana.
If only. If only.
Quote from: Valmy on June 04, 2009, 07:57:58 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2009, 09:33:16 PM
Nick Montana just doesn't sound as cool as Joe Montana.
Maybe it is short for Nicholas Davout Montana.
That would have to be Louis Nicolas Davout Montana
Alabama's been stripped of 21 wins!
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31245888/
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2009, 09:50:41 PM
Alabama's been stripped of 21 wins!
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31245888/
Except not really, because they still won those games.
Even officious jerks like the NCAA are no match for causality.
Fuck you Tim and Fuck you Boise State:
QuoteBCS rejects MWC proposal
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Bowl Championship Series presidents have rejected the Mountain West Conference's playoff plan.
The MWC proposed an eight-team playoff system that would allow greater access to the national championship game to teams outside the six most powerful leagues. The BCS presidential oversight committee rejected the concept during a teleconference on Wednesday.
"There was no overall support for the proposal, although some conferences were interested in considering certain elements of it in the future -- particularly those related to revenue, access and governance of the BCS arrangement," said University of Oregon president David Frohnmayer, the outgoing committee chairman, in a statement.
Frohnmayer added that all 10 conferences and Notre Dame generated reports that backed the same conclusion: They want to retain the current postseason format and comply with the current television contract.
"I believe we all agree that no system will ever be considered perfect, particularly by those conferences and institutions whose teams are not chosen in any particular year," Frohnmayer said. "But the BCS is the best postseason arrangement that has ever existed in college football. I say that after reviewing the matter from all standpoints, including student-athlete welfare, fan enjoyment, the academic calendar, the significance of the regular season, preservation of the bowl system that benefits a broad base of universities, and business.
"In the last six years, I've read pundits, heard the pronouncements of broadcasters and collected several cubic feet of e-mail printouts from advocates of an NFL-style playoff system. Even those that go beyond sound bite certitude share two intertwined and fatal deficiencies: They disrespect our academic calendars and they utterly lack a business plan."
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 28, 2009, 04:11:28 PM
Fuck you Tim and Fuck you Boise State:
QuoteBCS rejects MWC proposal
Comment Email Print Share
ESPN.com news services
Bowl Championship Series presidents have rejected the Mountain West Conference's playoff plan.
The MWC proposed an eight-team playoff system that would allow greater access to the national championship game to teams outside the six most powerful leagues. The BCS presidential oversight committee rejected the concept during a teleconference on Wednesday.
"There was no overall support for the proposal, although some conferences were interested in considering certain elements of it in the future -- particularly those related to revenue, access and governance of the BCS arrangement," said University of Oregon president David Frohnmayer, the outgoing committee chairman, in a statement.
Frohnmayer added that all 10 conferences and Notre Dame generated reports that backed the same conclusion: They want to retain the current postseason format and comply with the current television contract.
"I believe we all agree that no system will ever be considered perfect, particularly by those conferences and institutions whose teams are not chosen in any particular year," Frohnmayer said. "But the BCS is the best postseason arrangement that has ever existed in college football. I say that after reviewing the matter from all standpoints, including student-athlete welfare, fan enjoyment, the academic calendar, the significance of the regular season, preservation of the bowl system that benefits a broad base of universities, and business.
"In the last six years, I've read pundits, heard the pronouncements of broadcasters and collected several cubic feet of e-mail printouts from advocates of an NFL-style playoff system. Even those that go beyond sound bite certitude share two intertwined and fatal deficiencies: They disrespect our academic calendars and they utterly lack a business plan."
I am not a fan of the idea of a playoff system, but why can Division II and Division III and every other division of college football have a play-off without "disrespecting" their "academic calendars"? Especially since those kids truly do put school first.
Quote from: sbr on June 28, 2009, 04:34:46 PM
I am not a fan of the idea of a playoff system, but why can Division II and Division III and every other division of college football have a play-off without "disrespecting" their "academic calendars"? Especially since those kids truly do put school first.
(1) Shorter regular season, and (2) playoffs immediately after the season ends, rather than waiting for the holidays and the good TV times (since they aren't on national TV).
Quote from: grumbler on June 28, 2009, 04:38:19 PM
(1) Shorter regular season, and (2) playoffs immediately after the season ends, rather than waiting for the holidays and the good TV times (since they aren't on national TV).
Actually they are. You can watch the Division I playoffs on ESPN every year if you want to. You can also check out the championship games of the other divisions.
Also they all play a four round playoff, which I don't think anybody is seriously proposing for Division I FBS. If it is a 2 or 3 game playoff then the seasons would be the exact same length.
I mean the regular season is ONE game shorter for Division I FCS and Division II and two games shorter for Division III. I hardly think that is a very compelling reason.
Also as far as academics are concerned football is played on the weekend. Football players very rarely miss class due to games while almost every other athlete like say, woman's basketball or volleyball, do. And they also have playoffs...and those sports out perform football players academically.
I am so moved that everybody cares so much more about bigtime college football players academic loads while they don't really care about non-revenue sports athletes academic loads. Yeah I really buy that one.
Quote from: sbr on June 28, 2009, 04:34:46 PM
I say that after reviewing the matter from all standpoints, preservation of the bowl system... benefits... business.
Or something. They wouldn't be able to sell the naming rights to playoffs games.
Damn, are these hypocrites really that stupid?
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/01/bcs-official-threatens-a-return-to-the-good-ol-days/
QuoteBcS Official Threatens A Return To The Good Ol' Days
Posted by John Taylor on July 1, 2009 11:57 AM
Leave it to the arrogance of suits immersed in the Bowl championship Series to throw their immense hubris around in the days leading up to yet another Congressional hearing aimed squarely at eliminating them.
At a time when one would think the under-fire organization would be keeping to itself instead of lobbing public verbal Molotov cocktails, one would be wrong.
In an interview with the Nebraska State Paper, University of Nebraska-Lincoln chancellor and chairman of the BCS Presidential Oversight Committee Harvey Perlman strongly intimated that, if Congress is successful in ridding the nation of the blight the BcS has become, a playoff would not be the end result.
No, Perlman said, it would be back to the pre-BcS days of bowl games and an even more mythical national champion being crowned.
"What I think most people don't understand is that the alternative to the current system is not a playoff," Perlman told the paper. "The alternative to the BCS is going back to our traditional relationship with our bowl partners."
The chairman then went on to assail the mere thought of a playoff system, decrying its very existence as the death knell for bowl games.
"It would diminish the bowl structure and it would reduce the number of opportunities for student-athletes to play in the postseason and that's not a good thing," Perlman said. "I don't think it's good for college football, I don't think it's good for student-athletes and I don't think it's good for fans.
"I don't see fans travelling [sic] around the country three weeks in succession between December and January following their team. So you're either going to have to play at home sites - which I'm sure everybody will want to play in Nebraska in December and January - or you're gonna have to travel, which means that bowls will cease being intercollegiate events, but will become corporate events, where everybody in, you name the city, will be there except the fans of the teams.
"It's hard to see why a playoff is a good idea."
Of course it's hard to see why a playoff is a good idea when you have your heads shoved so far... of course you and your ilk don't see it. Don't want to see it.
The only thing you "see" is the color green, and until you figure out how to attain more of that certain hue -- or until Congress "gently" pushes you -- you will continue to pull a Stevie Wonder when it comes to a much-needed playoff system.
Spare me the student-athlete argument, at least until your member institutions rid themselves of the offseason conditioning program, spring practice and summer strength programs.
Spare me the death knell of the bowl system as it's eminently possible to have both the lower-tier bowls and a playoff system co-exist in a manner beneficial to all involved.
In short, just spare the vast majority of us your weak lines of reasoning. Nobody's buying it.
Especially key members of Congress, as you all will find out come next Tuesday.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 02:24:37 PM
...which means that bowls will cease being intercollegiate events, but will become corporate events,
I think that horse has already left.
Quote"It's hard to see why a playoff is a good idea."
If it is such a horrible idea why doesn't Nebraska quit playing in playoffs in all NCAA sports? Because those are obviously bad for the players and the fans.
In actually interesting news, Arizona still has not decided on a starting QB.
Quote from: Berkut on July 01, 2009, 03:31:31 PM
In actually interesting news, Arizona still has not decided on a starting QB.
Cannot decide which surefire Heisman guy to start eh? Have they tried using them both? The two quarterback system never fails.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 02:24:37 PM
Damn, are these hypocrites suits really that stupid smart?
To answer the real question, no. I think it hilarious, though, that the BCS would "threaten" to return major college football to its golden years. I hope that they accidently succeed. I have no interest in a playoff.
Quote from: Neil on July 01, 2009, 02:31:06 PM
I think that horse has already left.
:yes: :(
You can lead all the king's horses to water, but you can't go back home.
Quote from: grumbler on July 01, 2009, 04:07:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 02:24:37 PM
Damn, are these hypocrites suits really that stupid smart?
To answer the real question, no. I think it hilarious, though, that the BCS would "threaten" to return major college football to its golden years. I hope that they accidently succeed. I have no interest in a playoff.
What's the difference between what they used to do and what they do now?
Quote from: Neil on July 01, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 01, 2009, 04:07:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 02:24:37 PM
Damn, are these hypocrites suits really that stupid smart?
To answer the real question, no. I think it hilarious, though, that the BCS would "threaten" to return major college football to its golden years. I hope that they accidently succeed. I have no interest in a playoff.
What's the difference between what they used to do and what they do now?
Now there is a guarantee that the #1 and #2 team in a ridiculously complex formula will play in a bowl game for a championship.
Previously all teams and conferences were aligned to individual bowl games, making a #1 v #2 game very rare and often leaving multiple teams with a claim to the national championship.
At least the previous system didn't pretend to decide the best team in the country. The current one is just as ineffective at that but pretends it can.
Quote from: grumbler on July 01, 2009, 04:07:42 PM
To answer the real question, no. I think it hilarious, though, that the BCS would "threaten" to return major college football to its golden years. I hope that they accidently succeed. I have no interest in a playoff.
Unfortunately it is hard to turn back the clock.
Quote from: Neil on July 01, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
What's the difference between what they used to do and what they do now?
The bowls would invite whomever they liked. Bowl season was not pretended to be some sort of post-deason "playoff" to determine the best team, it was a reward for players and teams that had done well in the regular season. The Mythical National Championship was unsullied by absurd claims that there was a non-mythical champion.
Quote from: Valmy on July 02, 2009, 07:53:53 AM
Unfortunately it is hard to turn back the clock.
In this case, it would be simplicity itself.
Hitler hates NCAA Football '10:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7xdUn1GPKQ
"Spoon-Eared Terrell Pryor" :D
Quote from: grumbler on July 02, 2009, 09:31:24 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 01, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
What's the difference between what they used to do and what they do now?
The bowls would invite whomever they liked. Bowl season was not pretended to be some sort of post-deason "playoff" to determine the best team, it was a reward for players and teams that had done well in the regular season. The Mythical National Championship was unsullied by absurd claims that there was a non-mythical champion.
That actually sounds kind of neat. So the individual bowls would invite whichever teams were best or would attract the most people in their locale? That's not such a bad way to do it, especially for college sports.
Quote from: Neil on July 03, 2009, 07:08:50 AM
That actually sounds kind of neat. So the individual bowls would invite whichever teams were best or would attract the most people in their locale? That's not such a bad way to do it, especially for college sports.
Some bowls had conference tie-ins, where the conference champ would play an invited opponent. The Rose Bowl had two tie ins, so that both contenders were conference champs.
The bowl system didn't create "national championship games" but was never intended to. It was intended to reward teams and schools that did well in the football season.
Hell, half the fun was arguing after the season whose team was #1!
:lol:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32290284/ns/sports-college_football/
QuoteFormer coach Holtz mulls run for Congress
ESPN analyst, 72, would enter race in Florida as Republican
Quote from: grumbler on July 03, 2009, 07:16:55 AM
Hell, half the fun was arguing after the season whose team was #1!
Eh I still like the College World Series and the NCAA Basketball tournament alot better.
But that was alot more fun than trying to break down the ridiculous computer formulas.
Yeah, who is gonna be laughing after Texas plays the Mountain West Conference's last place team on Sept 12th? Wait, I know that one already...
FYI, I have made my schedule of games to go to:
Eastern Kentucky at Indiana - 9/3
USC at Ohio State - 9/12
Illinois at Indiana (homecoming) - 10/17
Maybe a Dayton Flyers or Wittenburg Tigers game in there too.
Again, I won't be able to go to the one I really want to go to, Army vs Navy. Maybe next year. :(
Behold the glory of the coaches preseason poll:
1. Florida (53) 13-1 1,466 1
2. Texas (4) 12-1 1,386 3
3. Oklahoma (1) 12-2 1,358 5
4. Southern California (1) 12-1 1,321 2
5. Alabama 12-2 1,134 6
6. Ohio State 10-3 1,126 11
7. Virginia Tech 10-4 1,020 14
8. Penn State 11-2 988 8
9. LSU 8-5 917 NR
10. Mississippi 9-4 889 15
11. Oklahoma State 9-4 861 18
12. California 9-4 711 25
13. Georgia 10-3 707 10
14. Oregon 10-3 694 9
15. Georgia Tech 9-4 559 22
16. Boise State 12-1 542 13
17. TCU 11-2 461 7
18. Utah 13-0 404 4
19. Florida State 9-4 371 23
20. North Carolina 8-5 293 NR
21. Iowa 9-4 257 20
22. Nebraska 9-4 236 NR
23. Notre Dame 7-6 194 NR
24. Brigham Young 10-3 178 21
25. Oregon State 9-4 165 19
Quote6. Ohio State 10-3 1,126 11
A bit overrated. Reloading for next year.
Running back position isn't settled. Saine and Boom Herron needs to step up. O-Line might be...wonky.
D is fine and the WR position is fine. Except for fucking Ray Small and his academic troubles. He finally gets to be the senior leader of the WR corps and out of Tressel's doghouse, and he blows it. :lol:
For those of us who have to travel, you can now watch the Big Ten games overseas:
http://www.bigtennetwork.com/corporate/Big-Ten-Ticket-Press-Release.asp
Quote
Big Ten Network Introduces Web Streaming for Fans Abroad
'Big Ten Ticket' will make football, men's basketball telecasts available online outside U.S., Canada
CHICAGO – Big Ten fans around the globe will be able to watch their favorite football and men's basketball teams beginning this fall with "Big Ten Ticket," the Big Ten Network's new international streaming package.
All televised Big Ten Network football and men's basketball games will be available live and on-demand online to viewers living outside of the United States and Canada on www.BigTenTicket.com.
"The Big Ten Network has made a significant financial investment in the latest streaming equipment and technology. As a result, fans will see their games with a clarity that is comparable to high definition," Big Ten Network President Mark Silverman said. "We are thoroughly pleased to be able to offer these games to Big Ten fans living abroad and help them feel a little closer to home."
Fans will be able to select from three service options: the "Single-Game Pass," the "School Pass," which covers every Big Ten Network football and men's basketball telecast for one school and the "Conference" pass, which covers every Big Ten Network football and men's basketball telecast for every Big Ten school during the 2009-10 season. Fans will be able to make their selections at www.BigTenTicket.com beginning in late August.
The Big Ten Network will televise between 35-40 football games and 105 regular season men's basketball games, plus three Big Ten Tournament games, in 2009-10. The 2009 Big Ten Network football schedule includes the home openers for nine Big Ten teams, beginning Thursday, Sept. 3, with Indiana vs. Eastern Kentucky.
About the Big Ten Network: The Big Ten Network is the first nationally distributed network dedicated to covering one of the premier collegiate conferences in the country. With approximately 350 live events, and nearly all of them in HD, the network is the ultimate destination for Big Ten fans and alumni across the country, allowing them to see their favorite teams, regardless of where they live. The network operates 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, showcasing a wide array of classic-to-current sports and televising more Olympic sporting events and women's sports than has ever been aired on any other network. Original programming highlights activities and accomplishments of some of the nation's finest universities. Each year, the network offers between 35 and 40 football games, 105 regular season men's basketball games; 55 women's basketball games; dozens of Big Ten Championship events; Big Ten Tonight, a nightly studio show; coaches' shows; and classic games. Available to all cable and satellite providers nationwide and in Canada, the network currently has agreements with more than 250 affiliates, including AT&T U-Verse, Cablevision, Charter, Comcast, Cox (Cleveland, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas), DirecTV, DISH Network, Insight, Mediacom, Shaw Cable and Shaw Direct (Canada), Time Warner Cable and Verizon FiOS. For updated information on the Big Ten Network, go to www.BigTenNetwork.com.
So instead of watching BBC cheese making shows, you have manly things to watch now.
Fucking foreigners.
This would have helped two years ago when I was wandering around Dublin pubs looking for any news I could get on the Texas game.
The season ought to start this weekend. Why the hell are they making us wait until September? :mad:
Quote from: derspiess on August 20, 2009, 02:54:35 PM
The season ought to start this weekend. Why the hell are they making us wait until September? :mad:
I do miss the days of the two late August games that would kick off the football season.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 18, 2009, 10:58:53 AM
This would have helped two years ago when I was wandering around Dublin pubs looking for any news I could get on the Texas game.
How would the Big Ten channel help you see Texas play?
Quote from: Valmy on August 20, 2009, 02:55:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 18, 2009, 10:58:53 AM
This would have helped two years ago when I was wandering around Dublin pubs looking for any news I could get on the Texas game.
How would the Big Ten channel help you see Texas play?
Maybe he was in Ireland while Texas played Ohio state.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 20, 2009, 03:01:19 PM
Maybe he was in Ireland while Texas played Ohio state.
Oh. I hadn't thought of that since Texas played Ohio State in 2006 and 2009 and not 2007.
Good point :blush:
Behold the wisdom of the AP on the 2009 season:
Rank Team (First-place votes) '08 Record Pts Pvs
1. Florida (58) 13-1 1,498 1
2. Texas (2) 12-1 1,424 4
3. Oklahoma 12-2 1,370 5
4. Southern Cal 12-1 1,313 3
5. Alabama 12-2 1,156 6
6. Ohio St. 10-3 1,113 9
7. Virginia Tech 10-4 1,054 15
8. Mississippi 9-4 1,047 14
9. Oklahoma St. 9-4 989 16
9. Penn St. 11-2 989 8
11. LSU 8-5 914 --
12. California 9-4 746 --
13. Georgia 10-3 714 13
14. Boise St. 12-1 659 11
15. Georgia Tech 9-4 593 22
16. Oregon 10-3 587 10
17. TCU 11-2 521 7
18. Florida St. 9-4 307 21
19. Utah 13-0 289 2
20. BYU 10-3 267 25
21. North Carolina 8-5 261 --
22. Iowa 9-4 229 20
23. Notre Dame 7-6 225 --
24. Nebraska 9-4 207 --
25. Kansas 8-5 134 --
Others receiving votes: Oregon St. 122, Illinois 105, Pittsburgh 103, Michigan St. 100, Rutgers 83, Texas Tech 76, West Virginia 57, Cincinnati 44, Clemson 42, Miami 40, East Carolina 30, Tennessee 15, Arizona 13, N.C. State 10, Boston College 9, Auburn 7, Cent. Michigan 7, UCLA 7, Northwestern 5, Missouri 3, South Florida 3, Southern Miss. 3, Vanderbilt 3, South Carolina 2, Arkansas 1, Houston 1, Nevada 1, Troy 1, Tulsa 1.
Fuck Boise State.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 18, 2009, 10:26:17 AM
So instead of watching BBC cheese making shows, you have manly things to watch now.
I can't see how watching the Big Ten Network could be considered manly. Maybe watching a decent conference would qualify (although it's still only college ball), but the Big Ten sucks ass.
Wyoming is so going to get killed on the 12th...
Arizona got votes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWFV1jmc2Y&feature=related
Quote from: PDH on August 23, 2009, 04:22:49 PM
Wyoming is so going to get killed on the 12th...
Now that I know my 2nd Cousin once removed is going to be playing for Wyoming I can tell you you will at least have blessed athletic genetics on your team.
Americas douchiest colleges:
http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49894 (http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49894)
- ASU is in there, so the list is awesome
- Duke is #2, but onlybecause "we don't want to rank Duke #1 in anything"
- Ohio State makes the list, as does Texas
This might be the best list ever.
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 09:26:45 AM
Americas douchiest colleges:
http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49894 (http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49894)
- ASU is in there, so the list is awesome
- Duke is #2, but onlybecause "we don't want to rank Duke #1 in anything"
- Ohio State makes the list, as does Texas
This might be the best list ever.
:)
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 09:26:45 AM
Americas douchiest colleges:
http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49894 (http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49894)
- ASU is in there, so the list is awesome
- Duke is #2, but onlybecause "we don't want to rank Duke #1 in anything"
- Ohio State makes the list, as does Texas
This might be the best list ever.
24th? WTF?! :angry:
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 09:26:45 AM
Americas douchiest colleges:
http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49894 (http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49894)
- ASU is in there, so the list is awesome
- Duke is #2, but onlybecause "we don't want to rank Duke #1 in anything"
- Ohio State makes the list, as does Texas
This might be the best list ever.
Grr, can't get to it the list for some reason (the page loads but I don't see any list). What is Notre Dame ranked? If they're not #1 then I agree with the WVU guy that they should be higher.
Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2009, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 09:26:45 AM
Americas douchiest colleges:
http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49894 (http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49894)
- ASU is in there, so the list is awesome
- Duke is #2, but onlybecause "we don't want to rank Duke #1 in anything"
- Ohio State makes the list, as does Texas
This might be the best list ever.
24th? WTF?! :angry:
Get working on your douchebaginess. :hug:
Quote from: derspiess on August 25, 2009, 09:47:26 AM
Grr, can't get to it the list for some reason (the page loads but I don't see any list). What is Notre Dame ranked? If they're not #1 then I agree with the WVU guy that they should be higher.
Brown is #1. The list doesn't have anything to do with athletics, just general douchebaginess.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 09:49:44 AM
Get working on your douchebaginess. :hug:
What can I do to help Texas become as douchebagy as Ohio State? What is your secret?
Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2009, 09:54:23 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 09:49:44 AM
Get working on your douchebaginess. :hug:
What can I do to help Texas become as douchebagy as Ohio State? What is your secret?
Despite what the article says, don't write letters to ex-longhorns in jail. Maurice here is Persona Non Grata.
First, you need to harass rival team fans with the police.
Second, Every sports segment on TV must be about the team.
Third, Renounce all other teams in the state. Sure, they may have football traditions of their own, but they are inferior.
Fourth, call in to sports talk radio and DEMAND that the OC and DC be fired immediately.
Fifth, if an in state recruit doesn't go to your school, he is a bum, a traitor and a dogfucker. My wife falls into this behavior regarding Indiana basketball players. :blush:
Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2009, 09:54:23 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 09:49:44 AM
Get working on your douchebaginess. :hug:
What can I do to help Texas become as douchebagy as Ohio State? What is your secret?
Start saying "THE University of Texas" (emphasis on "THE") over & over and you'll get there :)
Quake in your cleats, University of Toledo:
QuoteExperts predict big improvement for U-M
Angelique S. Chengelis / The Detroit News
Ann Arbor --ESPN college football analysts Kirk Herbstreit and Matt Millen, the former Lions president and CEO, weighed in on Michigan's chances this fall and what it means for the Wolverines now that U-M coach Rich Rodriguez said all three quarterbacks will take snaps in the season opener against Western Michigan.
Herbstreit and Millen spoke during a conference call Tuesday, and here's what they had to say:
• Herbstreit: "Personally, (I think there will be) a big improvement. I think that three wins last year and the way they played I know was frustrating for Michigan fans but in talking to Rich and listening to him give me some examples of how the team has collectively improved in the weight room, and you know when a coach says that, some people might roll their eyes, but that was an area where the Michigan program really needed to kind of go to the next level and it sounds like they've been able to do that this offseason. So I think, No. 1, you're going to see a team that's going to be faster and in better shape and much stronger, and I think that's going to help them.
"At the end of the day, everybody talks about Rich's improvement over the years where he's been as a head coach, (and) it's been because of the quarterback play. And I think when he says we're going to play all three, I think the only way coaches today, as (Rodriguez) says there aren't any preseason games, you have to give them a chance to play in front of 100,000 people, especially when they have limited reps (in practice), to see how they perform. They might be 10 times better than what they've shown during two-a-days. They might get nervous and not know how to react. But until you give them that chance, it's unfair to really make a decision. I understand he wants to play all three, but at the end of the day, I think one of the freshmen -- for them to get to that seven- or eight-win mark -- I think one of the freshmen will have to take the reins and take this offense to a different level.
" . . . my guess is Forcier will emerge and become the guy. I think he'll end up winning the job."
• Millen: "I couldn't agree more with you, Kirk. The bottom line is this -- they will be markedly different and better from a year ago. The learning curve is gone and it's not just a learning curve for the players learning the coaching staff, it's the coaching staff learning the players. It's a new system getting put in. It's a hard difference from what it had been under Coach (Lloyd) Carr. There are a lot of things that pave the way for this being a much improved team, but the bottom line in our game of football, regardless of whether it's high school, or college or professional football, where we're at right now, it comes down to that guy under center, always has, and it always will. It's a good way for Rich to get reps for all three guys, but I will tell you this, if Rich knew right now that he had one, he'd have one. He wouldn't have three. He's still in the process of finding out which guy is going to be the real deal."
If there's one thing Matt Millen knows how to evaluate it's coaches. I feel reassured now. :)
How Matt Millen has a football related job surprises me.
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 09:26:45 AM
Americas douchiest colleges:
http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49894 (http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49894)
- ASU is in there, so the list is awesome
- Duke is #2, but onlybecause "we don't want to rank Duke #1 in anything"
- Ohio State makes the list, as does Texas
This might be the best list ever.
Needs more A&M
And it's already shaping up to be another great season for the Wolverines:
QuoteMichigan football program broke rules, players say
Rodriguez denies exceeding NCAA time guidelines
By MICHAEL ROSENBERG AND MARK SNYDER
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITERS
The University of Michigan football team consistently has violated NCAA rules governing off-season workouts, in-season demands on players and mandatory summer activities under coach Rich Rodriguez, numerous players told the Free Press.
Players on the 2008 and 2009 teams described training and practice sessions that far exceeded limits set by the NCAA, which governs college athletics. The restrictions are designed to protect players' well-being, ensure adequate study time and prevent schools from gaining an unfair competitive advantage.
The players, who did not want to be identified because they feared repercussions from coaches, said the violations occurred routinely at the direction of Rodriguez's staff.
"It's one of those things where you can't say something," one current Wolverine said. "If you say something, they're going to say you're a lazy person and don't want to work hard."
That player was one of six current or former players who gave lengthy, detailed and nearly identical descriptions of the program to the Free Press.
"We know the practice and off-season rules, and we stay within the guidelines," Rodriguez said in a statement issued Friday to the Free Press. "We follow the rules and have always been completely committed to being compliant with all NCAA rules."
If the NCAA investigates and concludes that U-M willfully and repeatedly broke the rules, the NCAA could find major violations. That could trigger probation, loss of scholarships and loss of practice time.
Michigan, which has won more games than any program in college football history, has never been found guilty of major violations in football.
The players say they routinely are required to work out or practice many more hours throughout the year than the NCAA allows. They also say members of Rodriguez's staff have broken rules by monitoring off-season scrimmages.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 31, 2009, 12:50:36 PM
And it's already shaping up to be another great season for the Wolverines:
QuoteMichigan football program broke rules, players say
Rodriguez denies exceeding NCAA time guidelines
By MICHAEL ROSENBERG AND MARK SNYDER
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITERS
The University of Michigan football team consistently has violated NCAA rules governing off-season workouts, in-season demands on players and mandatory summer activities under coach Rich Rodriguez, numerous players told the Free Press.
Players on the 2008 and 2009 teams described training and practice sessions that far exceeded limits set by the NCAA, which governs college athletics. The restrictions are designed to protect players' well-being, ensure adequate study time and prevent schools from gaining an unfair competitive advantage.
The players, who did not want to be identified because they feared repercussions from coaches, said the violations occurred routinely at the direction of Rodriguez's staff.
"It's one of those things where you can't say something," one current Wolverine said. "If you say something, they're going to say you're a lazy person and don't want to work hard."
That player was one of six current or former players who gave lengthy, detailed and nearly identical descriptions of the program to the Free Press.
"We know the practice and off-season rules, and we stay within the guidelines," Rodriguez said in a statement issued Friday to the Free Press. "We follow the rules and have always been completely committed to being compliant with all NCAA rules."
If the NCAA investigates and concludes that U-M willfully and repeatedly broke the rules, the NCAA could find major violations. That could trigger probation, loss of scholarships and loss of practice time.
Michigan, which has won more games than any program in college football history, has never been found guilty of major violations in football.
The players say they routinely are required to work out or practice many more hours throughout the year than the NCAA allows. They also say members of Rodriguez's staff have broken rules by monitoring off-season scrimmages.
Doesn't every major NCAA program break that rule?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 31, 2009, 01:11:27 PM
Doesn't every major NCAA program break that rule?
Just saw this at lunchtime. Apparently, a bigger beef is that Michigan might not be able to run its investigation internally- off-season training is supposed to be voluntary, and only attended by training officials, but they had QC people from the school watching, with a strong hint of not-quite-voluntary-ness to the training sessions.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 31, 2009, 01:11:27 PM
Doesn't every major NCAA program break that rule?
I have no idea; but given the Wolverine's record last year, I would certainly hope so.
QuoteMichigan, which has won more games than any program in college football history, has never been found guilty of major violations in football.
Hiring RichRod was a abortion of an idea.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 31, 2009, 02:58:30 PM
QuoteMichigan, which has won more games than any program in college football history, has never been found guilty of major violations in football.
Hiring RichRod was a abortion of an idea.
Yeah - if this is true.
If found true, he is done, no matter what his record this year.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 31, 2009, 01:15:47 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 31, 2009, 01:11:27 PM
Doesn't every major NCAA program break that rule?
Just saw this at lunchtime. Apparently, a bigger beef is that Michigan might not be able to run its investigation internally- off-season training is supposed to be voluntary, and only attended by training officials, but they had QC people from the school watching, with a strong hint of not-quite-voluntary-ness to the training sessions.
Pretty much every program has a lot of "voluntary" stuff that is voluntary in pretty much the same sense that Ted Kennedy "volunteered" to get a brain tumor.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 31, 2009, 01:11:27 PM
Doesn't every major NCAA program break that rule?
Yep, I can't imagine how far over the line RichRod and his crew had to have pushed it to get current players to go to the media though. I just hope the NCAA either really hammers them and proves that they care about the student part or just ignore it like they should; instead they will once again take some half-assed hypocritical stand on this though, just like every other violation since they killed SMU football.
Bill in Sinton is READY for the mighty Louisiana Monroe fightin'....er....something or others.
QuoteWe must not overlook this team. Those that can please go to the game and really support the team. We must all stay focused to work to another great season. Remember we must be calm, cautious, collected, cool, careful and confident. Keep up the good work.
Now fellow Longhorn Posters. I may be gone now because I am changing computers and my technology knowledge isn't too good so this may be my last post. I will be able to read the comments I think but I probably can't log in because I have alas forgotten my password and have been unable to find out what it is. Nevertheless please know I am with you and will be flying my UT auto flag in Sinton in support of the Horns in all sports and efforts. It is great to be a Horn or in my case a Horn fan since I can't claim the honor of having ever attended UT.
If I am not able to get back it has been a great ride and remember I am still with you. Hook 'em Horns!
We might lose Bill! Naturally the Longhorn fanbase is scrambling to prevent this disaster from occuring.
Meanwhile, I will be spending all week getting ready to shoot rainbows at Colt McCoy on Saturday.
It's almost time.
Can Charley Weiss beat....Nevada? Stay tuned!
About damn time too. I'm sick of summer sports.
Anyways, if anybody happens to catch the Eastern Kentucky vs. Indiana on TV, I'll be on the 45 yard line looking bored.
The season starts tonight gentlemen.
7:00 PM ET South Carolina at North Carolina State
7:30 PM ET North Texas at Ball State
8:00 PM ET Eastern Kentucky at Indiana
9:00 PM ET Utah State at No. 19 Utah
10:15 PM ET No. 16 Oregon at No. 14 Boise State
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2009, 10:34:36 AM
10:15 PM ET No. 16 Oregon at No. 14 Boise State
I hope the Ducks rape Boise State. Blue turf should be banned.
They're advertising the massive collision of titans airing this weekend: Florida vs Charleston Southern
OMG I must have ESPN360!!!!!1111
I'm gonna have to VPN into work to watch the WVU-Liberty game on ESPN360, since stupid-ass Time Warner Cable doesn't participate. Before the schedule came out, I didn't know Liberty had a football team.
I'll be at the Bungles preseason game tonight, so I'll miss most of the Thursday night games. But hey, I get to watch Jim Sorgi play yet again. I feel like I know the guy.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 02, 2009, 01:39:37 PM
It's almost time.
Can Charley Weiss beat....Nevada? Stay tuned!
Hating Charlie Weis is cool.
Quote from: derspiess on September 03, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
Before the schedule came out, I didn't know Liberty had a football team.
That's because your college football knowledge is as ignorant as your pro football leanings. Go say Hi to Mike Brown's cock for us, Captain Forehead.
Sam Rutigliano says to go fuck yourself.
Gamecocks must fucking hang.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 03, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
Gamecocks must fucking hang.
The Ole Ball Coach will crush the Wolfpack. :cool:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2009, 05:34:55 PM
That's because your college football knowledge is as ignorant as your pro football leanings.
Oh Noes!! The band geek insulted me :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2009, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 03, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
Gamecocks must fucking hang.
The Ole Ball Coach will crush the Wolfpack. :cool:
This may be true, but I will still damn them for eternity.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 02, 2009, 01:47:12 PM
About damn time too. I'm sick of summer sports.
Only a week until real football starts.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2009, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 03, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
Gamecocks must fucking hang.
The Ole Ball Coach will crush the Wolfpack. :cool:
Yeah, don't you just love how that high-powered Gamecock attack has run up the score? :P
Go Ducks!!
Quote from: dps on September 03, 2009, 08:54:52 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2009, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 03, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
Gamecocks must fucking hang.
The Ole Ball Coach will crush the Wolfpack. :cool:
Yeah, don't you just love how that high-powered Gamecock attack has run up the score? :P
He scored 133% more points. -_-
Quote from: sbr on September 03, 2009, 09:17:59 PM
Go Ducks!!
Go Broncos!
Gotta love the blue field of death. ;)
Boise State's commercial is almost as bad as the Oregon offense so far.
Edit: Hey they got a first down!
Not sure what hurts my eyes more: the blue turf or Oregon's uniform.
Quote from: derspiess on September 03, 2009, 11:25:50 PM
Not sure what hurts my eyes more: the blue turf or Oregon's uniform.
What's wrong with Oregon's uni's tonight?
Besides the players wearing them?
Quote from: derspiess on September 03, 2009, 11:25:50 PM
Not sure what hurts my eyes more: the blue turf or Oregon's uniform.
I think if they didn't have the....wings/feathers...or...whatever.....they'd be just fine. They'd basically be just plain white, but there's nothing wrong with that.
Whoever thought the feathers were a good idea needs to be shot. Same with the blue turf.
Yeah, the goddamned feathers. Oregon is a team I'd like to root for sometimes, but I can't do it until they stop trying to make fashion statements.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2009, 11:28:12 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 03, 2009, 11:25:50 PM
Not sure what hurts my eyes more: the blue turf or Oregon's uniform.
I think if they didn't have the....wings/feathers...or...whatever.....they'd be just fine. They'd basically be just plain white, but there's nothing wrong with that.
Whoever thought the feathers were a good idea needs to be shot. Same with the blue turf.
Quote from: derspiess Yeah, the goddamned feathers. Oregon is a team I'd like to root for sometimes, but I can't do it until they stop trying to make fashion statements.
Yeah. OK.
At least it is better than the fake diamond plating they were using before.
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They're showing improvement, but the uniforms still suck. Feathers aren't a good substitute for steel plating or whatever the fuck.
Anyway...why does the Oregon QB like...take the snap and just sort of stand there sometimes? On the INT he stood there for a second, jumped/turned, stood there for another second, threw the pick. Very weird.
Edit: And Boise's new unis pretty much suck too. Nike needs to stop.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2009, 11:39:01 PM
Anyway...why does the Oregon QB like...take the snap and just sort of stand there sometimes? On the INT he stood there for a second, jumped/turned, stood there for another second, threw the pick. Very weird.
Not really sure. I assume it has to do with the option part of the offense; kind of like a draw play to a running back.
Oh fuck another fumble. :bash:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2009, 11:39:01 PM
Anyway...why does the Oregon QB like...take the snap and just sort of stand there sometimes? On the INT he stood there for a second, jumped/turned, stood there for another second, threw the pick. Very weird.
Some QBs apparently think that looks cool. There's no useful purpose in it.
And Boise gives it right back.
Man, this one is getting sloppy.
Quote from: derspiess on September 03, 2009, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 03, 2009, 11:39:01 PM
Anyway...why does the Oregon QB like...take the snap and just sort of stand there sometimes? On the INT he stood there for a second, jumped/turned, stood there for another second, threw the pick. Very weird.
Some QBs apparently think that looks cool. There's no useful purpose in it.
I highly doubt it is because the QB thinks it "looks cool." Football player are like Russians, it is part of the plan somehow.
Quote from: sbr on September 03, 2009, 11:47:21 PM
I highly doubt it is because the QB thinks it "looks cool." Football player are like Russians, it is part of the plan somehow.
Seriously, I think it's a "style" thing.
Quote from: sbr on September 03, 2009, 11:47:21 PM
I highly doubt it is because the QB thinks it "looks cool." Football player are like Russians, it is part of the plan somehow.
It doesn't seem like it has any sort of purpose. He's not hiding the ball or faking a handoff or anything like that. He's just standing there holding the ball in front of his face.
:lol: Wow. Blount just lost his damn mind.
What a punk. I hope they throw that fucker off the team.
:XD:
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They really had some great camera angles for this one. There was also apparently a fight between other Ducks players? Or are they referring to Blount hitting that Oregon WR in the face when the guy was trying to hold him back?
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 03, 2009, 10:36:44 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2009, 10:34:36 AM
10:15 PM ET No. 16 Oregon at No. 14 Boise State
I hope the Ducks rape Boise State. Blue turf should be banned.
Fuck Boise State and fuck the Ducks for choking.
Wow, what a sucker punch. :D
I'm sorry I went to bed and missed it.
Wow, people are talking about this ending his college career.
I don't see it. He will (and should be) penalized, but no way is he getting kicked off the team. I wonder if the Pac-10 will get involved, or just leave it up to Oregon to handle?
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2009, 10:32:13 AM
Wow, people are talking about this ending his college career.
I don't see it. He will (and should be) penalized, but no way is he getting kicked off the team. I wonder if the Pac-10 will get involved, or just leave it up to Oregon to handle?
Well, he was suspended once before and he basically assaulted an opponent on the field and had to get dragged out by the cops.
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2009, 10:32:13 AM
Wow, people are talking about this ending his college career.
I don't see it. He will (and should be) penalized, but no way is he getting kicked off the team. I wonder if the Pac-10 will get involved, or just leave it up to Oregon to handle?
Agree that this won't end his career, and agree that that is sad.
I do wonder if he will spend some time in the pokey, though.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2009, 10:38:56 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2009, 10:32:13 AM
Wow, people are talking about this ending his college career.
I don't see it. He will (and should be) penalized, but no way is he getting kicked off the team. I wonder if the Pac-10 will get involved, or just leave it up to Oregon to handle?
Well, he was suspended once before and he basically assaulted an opponent on the field and had to get dragged out by the cops.
So? Throwing a punch at someone is not exactly that unusual - the only difference here is that it was on tape, after the game was over. That is *a* difference certainly, but is it really enough to kick him off of the team?
I don't know anything about his previous suspension - what was it for?
And more importantly, when does Arizona play Oregon...
Quote from: grumbler on September 04, 2009, 10:39:43 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2009, 10:32:13 AM
Wow, people are talking about this ending his college career.
I don't see it. He will (and should be) penalized, but no way is he getting kicked off the team. I wonder if the Pac-10 will get involved, or just leave it up to Oregon to handle?
Agree that this won't end his career, and agree that that is sad.
I do wonder if he will spend some time in the pokey, though.
The police already stated that tehy were not filing charges, and expected the NCAA/Oregon to take care of it.
I wonder if that could change though, if enough pressure arises over it...it is the kind of thing to get everyone all outraged about.
Pretty hard to get a conviction though for things that happen on the field. It has almost never happened.
Odd that a football player would have a glass jaw like that.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 04, 2009, 12:12:42 PM
Odd that a football player would have a glass jaw like that.
Glass jaw? :huh:
The guy was blind-sided by a guy 6'2" 240+ pounds hitting him bare knuckled square in the jaw. Almost any human being would have gone to his knees there.
After being tackled by one or two Boise players all night it took 5 guys to drag Blount into the locker room; nice showing idiot.
As I said last night I would like to see Blount kicked off of the team and I wouldn't be surprised if he was. With a new AD and head coach this is a perfect moment to make a stand and show what they expect from their athletes. The Ducks have already proved that the pre-season hype was ridiculous and they aren't a BCS caliber team so why keep a guy like that around for the rest of the year.
Quote from: sbr on September 04, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
Glass jaw? :huh:
The guy was blind-sided by a guy 6'2" 240+ pounds hitting him bare knuckled square in the jaw. Almost any human being would have gone to his knees there.
Football players regularly get blind-sided by 240 lbers using their whole bodies, not just their fists. Just seemed odd to me. :mellow:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 04, 2009, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 04, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
Glass jaw? :huh:
The guy was blind-sided by a guy 6'2" 240+ pounds hitting him bare knuckled square in the jaw. Almost any human being would have gone to his knees there.
Football players regularly get blind-sided by 240 lbers using their whole bodies, not just their fists. Just seemed odd to me. :mellow:
Someone needs a basic lesson in force.
Quote from: sbr on September 04, 2009, 12:28:36 PM
After being tackled by one or two Boise players all night it took 5 guys to drag Blount into the locker room; nice showing idiot.
:lmfao:
Maybe he should have used some of that energy to get away from the safety?
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2009, 10:42:04 AM
Pretty hard to get a conviction though for things that happen on the field. It has almost never happened.
There's definitely a precedent in Canada for that kind of thing.
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2009, 12:30:48 PM
Someone needs a basic lesson in force.
Compare the amount of time it typically takes a football player to make a tackle to the time it takes a boxer to get a knockdown. Obviously tackling allows a greater amount of force delivered in a more effective manner for knocking someone off their feet.
I'm sure I'm being a bit unfair using the term "glass jaw." It was a sucker punch and at the end of the game so he was tired. But I bet you he's taking similar razzing from his teammates.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 04, 2009, 12:47:49 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 04, 2009, 12:30:48 PM
Someone needs a basic lesson in force.
Compare the amount of time it typically takes a football player to make a tackle to the time it takes a boxer to get a knockdown. Obviously tackling allows a greater amount of force delivered in a more effective manner for knocking someone off their feet.
I'm sure I'm being a bit unfair using the term "glass jaw." It was a sucker punch and at the end of the game so he was tired. But I bet you he's taking similar razzing from his teammates.
Boxer don't sucker punch each other - in fact, I bet most boxers would go down if they ever left themselves so open that their opponent took an unobstructed shot to their jaw from the side like that.
And making a tackle is an entirely different force dynamic from a punch, and the reaction to being tackled often has nothing to do with having any kind of "glass" anything.
I doubt he is taking any razzing from his teammates, unless they are idiots. There are precious few people in the world who could take a solid shot like that from someone as strong as Blount without crumpling. They are both lucky he didn't seriously injure him.
/shrug
Maybe you're right, perhaps the angle makes the difference. Not worth arguing over, at any rate.
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Small, Unathletic Walk-On Injures 9 Starters In Notre Dame Football Practice
SOUTH BEND, IN—During Wednesday's afternoon practice, 17-year-old Brian Novak, a 145-pound walk-on for the struggling Notre Dame football team, injured nine starters, including third-year quarterback Jimmy Clausen, junior wide receiver Golden Tate, and 295-pound defensive lineman Ian Williams.
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Novak, who had virtually no organized football experience prior to joining the Division I team, has injured a total of 24 players since his arrival in South Bend, prompting many to question whether or not the Fighting Irish have another disappointing season in store.
"I'm not really that fast or strong or anything," said Novak, adding that of his friends back home he's "not even close" to being the best football player. "But during my first practice with the team I was playing linebacker—or it might have been defensive end—and I got past the big blocker guys no problem, then somehow broke [starting halfback] Armando Allen's leg with a tackle. That's the first tackle I've ever attempted in my life."
"I'm not trying to hurt them or anything, but in general I would say everyone here is a lot slower and weaker than I thought they'd be," Novak added. "I can only bench-press about 90 pounds, but all the players gather around to watch me lift."
According to members of the coaching staff, the former high school yearbook editor is by far the team's most athletic player, despite Novak's inability to do more than two pull-ups or jog a mile without walking. During an intrasquad scrimmage last Sunday, he recorded eight interceptions, rushed for 225 yards, and ruptured the Achilles tendon of safety Sergio Brown with what appeared to be a fairly slow-moving, awkward juke move.
"When I play with these guys I feel like I did when I was a camp counselor playing dodgeball with my campers," said the 5-foot-7 Novak, whose athletic resume consists of two weeks on his high school lacrosse team. "I can pretty much overpower anyone, anytime. It's really fun, but I'm not actually learning anything about football."
Though he reportedly promised Notre Dame's head coach Charlie Weis he would "take it easy" on the rest of the team until the season opener, Novak broke the arm of 302-pound center Dan Wenger during tackling drills last Monday, and fractured starting linebacker Brian Smith's skull on a 14-yard touchdown run in which Novak dragged Smith 10 yards into the end zone.
While Novak went 0-4 in field goal attempts during Sunday's scrimmage, he was the only Notre Dame kicker to get the football up into the air.
"He's really powerful and fast," 255-pound defensive end John Ryan said of Novak."I'm glad he's on our team because looking at the guys we have, he's our only hope if we want to beat USC, Nevada, or really anybody."
"He's a much better leader than Jimmy [Clausen], that's for sure," Ryan added. "Better quarterback, too."
Recently, Novak has even been spotted giving coach Weis several tips about his strategy and tactics.
"Until Brian, I never thought about how establishing the run could create opportunities for us downfield," said Weis, who has led the Irish to 15 losses in their last two seasons. "Novak was telling me about something called a 'fake handoff,' which is like this fake run thing, but then you pass it. I would assume that's illegal, but he's proven himself to be an amazing football player, so I trust him."
According to Novak, when he committed to Notre Dame, he had no intention of walking onto the football team, being more interested in the school's theater group. But when assistant head coach Rob Ianello saw the freshman tossing a football around campus, he knew instantly that Novak would be a valuable addition.
"He was catching the ball," Ianello said. "Like, actually catching it."
Despite the team's recent injuries, and the fact that its best player is admittedly "really terrible" at football, former Notre Dame head coach and college football analyst Lou Holtz still predicted the Fighting Irish would go 12-0 this season and win the BCS championship.
:rolleyes:
Onion. :P
I loved this comment I saw on the fight. :lol:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/undraftedfreeagent/archives/178319.asp?source=mypi
Quote"On Thursday night (3 September 2009), the Boise State Broncos defeated the offensively impotent Oregon Ducks 19-8. LeGarrette Blount rushed 8 times for an abysmal -5 yards and a safety. After the game, Boise State's Byron Hout taunted Blount and made physical contact with him in a threatening manner. Hout infringed upon the personal rights of Blount. Blount, at that point, had the Allah-given right to self-defense. In order to negate Hout's intimidation, Blount delivered a straight right fist that cleanly contacted Hout. Hout failed to block the punch and went down. Blount successfully fended off the threat against himself without causing permanent or excessive damage to his attacker. He acted exactly as he should have and should be commended for his valor. No further action (e.g., suspension) should be taken against either Blount or Hout."
So hopefully the Tulane - Tulsa game tonight won't be as full of sucktasticness as the two games they showed yesterday.
There really seem to be a lot of handjobs going around for Boise, when they weren't exactly stellar out there either, defense included. Oregon couldn't have gotten a first down against my high school team the way they were playing in the first half and a good chunk of the third q. Then again, the "statue decoy QB with the ball" idea is an interesting one, as is the "hand the ball off when they're already hitting the RB" thing, so maybe that's what was throwing them off.
Edit: Heh heh heh
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Suspended for the year
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlesports/archives/178376.asp?source=mypi
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2009, 04:42:01 PM
Suspended for the year
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlesports/archives/178376.asp?source=mypi
I am glad to see this and I am glad it was the team that did it not the conference. Looking back it wasn't the punch that disgusted me as a Ducks fan, it was him trying to go after the fans and needing police and security to remove him from the field. The punch was stupid and never should have happened, but I can understand it int eh heat of the moment and while still on the field. The antics afterwards were really embarrassing.
Yeah, the totality of his overall performance after the game deserved a year long suspension. Absolutely appaling!
And I hope #94 is ashamed of himself, because he got knocked the fuck right out. Unconscious before he hit the ground. ESPN's camera angle was great, you see his eyes roll up into his head as he drops like a bag of wet cement.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 04, 2009, 06:40:35 AM
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Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2009, 10:34:36 AM
10:15 PM ET No. 16 Oregon at No. 14 Boise State
I hope the Ducks rape Boise State. Blue turf should be banned.
Fuck Boise State and fuck the Ducks for choking.
"Choking" implies that Oregan was ever actually end the game, but fell short at the end. They didn't choke, they just got their butts kicked.
QuoteLooking back it wasn't the punch that disgusted me as a Ducks fan, it was him trying to go after the fans and needing police and security to remove him from the field. The punch was stupid and never should have happened, but I can understand it int eh heat of the moment and while still on the field. The antics afterwards were really embarrassing.
I suspect that it was what came after the punch that got him the year-long suspension. The punch itself would have probably only gotten him a game or two.
Quote from: dps on September 04, 2009, 07:45:48 PM
"Choking" implies that Oregan was ever actually end the game, but fell short at the end. They didn't choke, they just got their butts kicked.
Yeah, Boise State simply pushed Oregon's shit in during the first half. Duckies, deal with it.
And now, losing their #1 running back, and the projected #2 RB in next year's draft, Oregon's got a long season ahead of them. Buh bye, PAC10 title chances.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 04, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
Yeah, the totality of his overall performance after the game deserved a year long suspension. Absolutely appaling!
If they were going to suspend him for his game performance, the suspension would include a requirement to repay his scholarship money.
You know, Opening Saturday reminds me of grumbler's weak defense of Michigan, and how their upset at the hands of Appalachian State wasn't just THE GREATEST COLLEGE UPSET OF ALL TIME.
Ah, memories.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2009, 10:02:50 AM
You know, Opening Saturday reminds me of grumbler's weak defense of Michigan, and how their upset at the hands of Appalachian State wasn't just THE GREATEST COLLEGE UPSET OF ALL TIME.
Ah, memories.
What was funny was how the very next upset was also THE GREATEST COLLEGE UPSET OF ALL TIME!!!oneoneone. I pointed out how that would happen.
I don't have good vibes about today's game, either. RR's legacy as the first Michigan coach to ever lose to a MAC team may not be secure enough for him; if he can make it as the first to lose to MAC teams in consecutive seasons, I think he will have it locked.
Quote from: grumbler on September 05, 2009, 10:16:33 AM
What was funny was how the very next upset was also THE GREATEST COLLEGE UPSET OF ALL TIME!!!oneoneone. I pointed out how that would happen.
I rest my case. :P
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I don't have good vibes about today's game, either. RR's legacy as the first Michigan coach to ever lose to a MAC team may not be secure enough for him; if he can make it as the first to lose to MAC teams in consecutive seasons, I think he will have it locked.
What you need to be concerned with is next week, Mr. Blue. :P
Hm, Navy vs. Ohio. What I've seen from MB's avatars of Brutus I can't decide which team is more gay.
Quote from: Syt on September 05, 2009, 11:04:27 AM
Hm, Navy vs. Ohio. What I've seen from MB's avatars of Brutus I can't decide which team is more gay.
Ohio State. At least Navy has future Marines on their team.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2009, 11:16:30 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 05, 2009, 11:04:27 AM
Hm, Navy vs. Ohio. What I've seen from MB's avatars of Brutus I can't decide which team is more gay.
Ohio State. At least Navy has future Marines on their team.
But Navy has, as I just saw, all male cheerleaders. :x
Quote from: Syt on September 05, 2009, 11:22:08 AM
But Navy has, as I just saw, all male cheerleaders. :x
They're prettier than the sickly Eurotrash you use in your avatars.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2009, 11:42:53 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 05, 2009, 11:22:08 AM
But Navy has, as I just saw, all male cheerleaders. :x
They're prettier than the sickly Eurotrash you use in your avatars.
You spend too much time playing with Siege and Marty.
At the Miami-UK game at Paul Brown Stadium. This is an official Miami home game but I'm guessing Miami fans are outnumbered at least 10:1.
Not that I blame them for not showing up, given the 35-0 score on UK's favor.
Wow! Is Ohio st. really gonna chock this game away?
Navy you idiots. :rolleyes:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Wow! Is Ohio st. really gonna chock this game away?
And the answer is no.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Wow! Is Ohio st. really gonna chock this game away?
Fuck your chock.
My opinion of UK girls has: changed :perv:
Quote from: derspiess on September 05, 2009, 02:42:40 PM
My opinion of UK girls has: changed :perv:
The 90's there was: glorious.
Anyways, Pam Ward is still a joke of an announcer.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 05, 2009, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Wow! Is Ohio st. really gonna chock this game away?
Fuck your chock.
After today's scare, I'm really going to enjoy next week.
I will accept all mocking graciously if Ohio State blows it next week. Except from Tim.
Also, I want to punch Cris Carter in the nuts for naming his boy "Duron".
Check your chocks, you can't take off with them there...
In other news, Wyoming is fighting like the dickens against the mighty Weber State...Weberians...somthing...
Halftime score is 16-7...look out Texas!
Pitt disposed of Youngstown 38-3. :)
Quote from: Syt on September 05, 2009, 03:43:35 PM
Pitt disposed of Youngstown 38-3. :)
Youngstown is obviously gearing up for their Ohio State beatdown...
Quote from: PDH on September 05, 2009, 03:37:34 PM
In other news, Wyoming is fighting like the dickens against the mighty Weber State...Weberians...somthing...
Halftime score is 16-7...look out Texas!
I tell you a tough game against a team like Weber State can really get your team going.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Wow! Is Ohio st. really gonna chock this game away?
Navy has played far better football than Notre Dame has lately.
Thank god Weber St is no Appalachian St...
Wyoming vanquishes the mighty Weber St...whatever they are, a powerhouse of a Football Championship team, 29-22. Texas is next, bring 'em on!
Valmy, I will get you a nice Wyoming T-shirt to wear next week...
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2009, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Wow! Is Ohio st. really gonna chock this game away?
Navy has played far better football than Notre Dame has lately.
Oh really?
I'd like to express my hatred for some thing else:
That fucking Kenny Chesney song on ESPN. They can shove that moment up Stuart Scott's ass.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 05, 2009, 06:03:22 PM
I'd like to express my hatred for some thing else:
That fucking Kenny Chesney song on ESPN. They can shove that moment up Stuart Scott's ass.
The DMB song on ABC sucks too.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 05, 2009, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 05, 2009, 06:03:22 PM
I'd like to express my hatred for some thing else:
That fucking Kenny Chesney song on ESPN. They can shove that moment up Stuart Scott's ass.
The DMB song on ABC sucks too.
The Rascal Flats song on the Big ten network also bites.
The networks have raped my ears this year and took a collective shit on my chest.
Heh. William and Mary is up by 12 on Virginia with ~2 minutes left. They've won. Nice job Virginia.
Lol. How hot do you think Al Groh's seat is right now? :lmfao:
BYU just beat Oklahoma.
Gotta think it would have been different if Bradford hadn't gotten hurt.
Hokies have a Chink offensive tackle! I love that shit--Slope linebackers, Beaner quarterbacks, Samoan tightends. What a great country.
Quote from: dps on September 05, 2009, 09:23:14 PM
BYU just beat Oklahoma.
Gotta think it would have been different if Bradford hadn't gotten hurt.
Still OU should have been good enough to score more than 3 points in the second half without him. The same crap happened to OU in Lubbock two years ago when Bradford went down. They are freaking OU they have to have more than one guy who can play worth a shit.
Anyway OU ruined what was a perfect day for the diminutive dozen but NOOOOO OU had to choke it all away. Watch them beat Texas anyway.
Anyway rather lackluster performance by Texas today.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2009, 05:54:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2009, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Wow! Is Ohio st. really gonna chock this game away?
Navy has played far better football than Notre Dame has lately.
Oh really?
Navy has six straight seasons of 8 or more wins and bowl appearances. Navy is a darn good program these days.
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2009, 11:01:37 PM
Anyway rather lackluster performance by Texas today.
Yeah only 59 points and 560 yards of offense. Totally uninspired play.
Edit: Goddammit. I just lost my first NCAA 10 game with my cupcake created UTSA team. :cry: If anyone wants to laugh at it, it's up on the created team thing,
although you have to look at when it was "created" (last edited), Sept 6 at 1 something AM. I don't think you can just search for "MadBurgerMaker," since for whatever reason, I can't link my XBox Live name with my EA name or something. Hey the email worked and they fixed it. Search for MadBurgerMaker, and observe the pure glory that is UTSA football. Sort of. Everything except the helmet is a guess.
Anyway....They really suck.
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2009, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2009, 05:54:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2009, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Wow! Is Ohio st. really gonna chock this game away?
Navy has played far better football than Notre Dame has lately.
Oh really?
Navy has six straight seasons of 8 or more wins and bowl appearances. Navy is a darn good program these days.
Tim has no sports gravitas.
It was a home game and they had a 15 point lead. If Ohio St. had lost, it would have indeed been a choke.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 06, 2009, 08:45:45 AM
It was a home game and they had a 15 point lead. If Ohio St. had lost, it would have indeed been a choke.
A choke? Yes. But a chock? Debatable.
And Tim still sucks.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 05, 2009, 08:12:38 PM
Heh. William and Mary is up by 12 on Virginia with ~2 minutes left. They've won. Nice job Virginia.
OMG! TEH GRATIST UPSET OF ALL TIME!!!ONEONEONE
(Actually, it is kinda funny, because, while Virginia has lost to W&M in the past, their overall wining record against Div-1A schools is better than Michigan's and likely always will be).
Well, shit. I hate BYU but it is good to see them play well on a national stage against a team that has far more talent.
BYU, Utah, TCU all are good teams and make the Mountain West's arguments a bit stronger, and of course UWyo's impressive display against Weber State shows that this conferences is damn strong top to bottom!
Quote from: PDH on September 06, 2009, 09:35:03 AM
Well, shit. I hate BYU but it is good to see them play well on a national stage against a team that has far more talent.
BYU, Utah, TCU all are good teams and make the Mountain West's arguments a bit stronger, and of course UWyo's impressive display against Weber State shows that this conferences is damn strong top to bottom!
People will really take notice when your guys handle Valmy's Longhorns. :yes:
I decided to check the OSU message boards this morning while the pig slow cooks. Full of calls for the O-line coach to quit, be fired or hung from lampposts.
And Tressel to be fired.
Hilarious. Nothing is more fun than some Ohio State fans in full froth.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 06, 2009, 09:37:22 AM
Quote from: PDH on September 06, 2009, 09:35:03 AM
Well, shit. I hate BYU but it is good to see them play well on a national stage against a team that has far more talent.
BYU, Utah, TCU all are good teams and make the Mountain West's arguments a bit stronger, and of course UWyo's impressive display against Weber State shows that this conferences is damn strong top to bottom!
People will really take notice when your guys handle Valmy's Longhorns. :yes:
Wyoming will take it easy on them and only win by one point like BYU did against Oklahoma.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 06, 2009, 12:48:27 AM
Yeah only 59 points and 560 yards of offense. Totally uninspired play.
I didn't say uninspired I said lackluster. The turnovers and blown coverages and so forth.
Oh and one sack, that was it.
They have some things to work on.
Quote from: PDH on September 06, 2009, 09:45:59 AM
Wyoming will take it easy on them and only win by one point like BYU did against Oklahoma.
Wyoming's sportsmanship will be an inspiration to us all. :cry:
Quote from: Valmy on September 06, 2009, 09:59:40 AM
[I didn't say uninspired I said lackluster.
Isn't that worse?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 06, 2009, 10:03:40 AM
Isn't that worse?
No. I would much rather they had some rough edges and made mistakes then not play hard.
Colt McCoy: The only name more gay than Major Applewhite.
Quote from: grumbler on September 06, 2009, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 05, 2009, 08:12:38 PM
Heh. William and Mary is up by 12 on Virginia with ~2 minutes left. They've won. Nice job Virginia.
OMG! TEH GRATIST UPSET OF ALL TIME!!!ONEONEONE
It still hurts, doesn't it? There, there. There, there. :hug: :console:
Quote from: Valmy on September 06, 2009, 10:00:14 AM
Wyoming's sportsmanship will be an inspiration to us all. :cry:
Really, we are an inspiring state.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 06, 2009, 10:34:26 AM
Quote from: grumbler on September 06, 2009, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 05, 2009, 08:12:38 PM
Heh. William and Mary is up by 12 on Virginia with ~2 minutes left. They've won. Nice job Virginia.
OMG! TEH GRATIST UPSET OF ALL TIME!!!ONEONEONE
It still hurts, doesn't it? There, there. There, there. :hug: :console:
Not at all. The Oregon game the next week was much, much worse. Imagine how it felt to be a Notre Dame fan the third week of the season, watching your team get absolutely
spanked by "the team that lost to Appalachian State!" :lol: I am willing to bet that that hurt worse than watching your team lose a close one to ASU!
Go Cuse!
Good showing by the Orange for a change! Marrone already has the fan base excited and interested in Syracuse football again.
On a down note, I am already sick and tired of all the t-shirts proclaiming that "The Devil Wears Orange".
Quote from: grumbler on September 06, 2009, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 06, 2009, 10:34:26 AM
Quote from: grumbler on September 06, 2009, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 05, 2009, 08:12:38 PM
Heh. William and Mary is up by 12 on Virginia with ~2 minutes left. They've won. Nice job Virginia.
OMG! TEH GRATIST UPSET OF ALL TIME!!!ONEONEONE
It still hurts, doesn't it? There, there. There, there. :hug: :console:
Not at all. The Oregon game the next week was much, much worse. Imagine how it felt to be a Notre Dame fan the third week of the season, watching your team get absolutely spanked by "the team that lost to Appalachian State!" :lol: I am willing to bet that that hurt worse than watching your team lose a close one to ASU!
:mad:
Ass.
:lol:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/college-football/pryor-recaps-his-performance-vs-navy-53970
2:50 in. Everyone is a murderer.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 06, 2009, 03:01:57 PM
:lol:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/college-football/pryor-recaps-his-performance-vs-navy-53970
2:50 in. Everyone is a murderer.
:lmfao:
I am not sure what he was trying to say, but what he said was not it!
I have always pitied those poor athletes just trying to do their best, but who have to, for some reason, perform for the media. The better coaches keep the media away from the players, but that is hard with star players like Pryor.
(He may be a Buckeye, but even Buckeyes don't deserve to be pinned down so we can watch them squirm).
Arizona won.
Quote from: grumbler on September 06, 2009, 10:59:21 AM
Not at all. The Oregon game the next week was much, much worse. Imagine how it felt to be a Notre Dame fan the third week of the season, watching your team get absolutely spanked by "the team that lost to Appalachian State!" :lol: I am willing to bet that that hurt worse than watching your team lose a close one to ASU!
Being a Notre Dame fan is an exercise in pain, isn't it?
OK, here are the current records of each conference games (format: conference; record in all non-conference games, record in non-conference games against 1-A opponents (none of that FBS/FCS crap for me); record in non-conference games against teams in BCS AQ conferences*; record against non-conference top 25 opponents).
ACC 4-6; 1-4; 0-4; 0-2
Big East 5-1; 1-1; 0-1; 0-0
Big 10 10-1; 6-1; 1-1; 0-0
Big 12 10-2; 6-2; 3-0; 1-1
Pac 10 6-2; 4-2; 1-1; 0-2
SEC 11-1; 7-1; 3-1; 1-1
CUSA 6-2; 0-2; 0-1; 0-1
MAC 3-10; 2-9; 0-7; 0-1
MWC 6-2; 3-2; 2-2; 2-0
SB 3-5; 1-5; 0-4; 0-2
WAC 3-4; 1-4; 1-3; 1-3
*I counted games against Notre Dame as games again a team in an AQ conference, but not games against Army or Navy. This seems reasonable.
Bonus: 1-A teams that lost to 1-AA opponents: Temple (MAC), Virginia (ACC), Duke (ACC).
Poor ACC. :lol:
I hope I got everthing right here. If anyone sees any mistake, let me know.
Quote from: dps on September 07, 2009, 09:24:22 PM
I hope I got everthing right here. If anyone sees any mistake, let me know.
Big 12 has a win against non-conference top 25 opponent. :cry:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 07, 2009, 09:36:48 PM
Quote from: dps on September 07, 2009, 09:24:22 PM
I hope I got everthing right here. If anyone sees any mistake, let me know.
Big 12 has a win against non-conference top 25 opponent. :cry:
Oops. Forgot Georgia was rated. Fixed.
That Georgia game was ugly. First quarter was great, but then the offense and "teams" (they weren't very special) started to suck and there's only so much the defense can do when you insist on turning the ball over inside your 30.
Quote from: ulmont on September 07, 2009, 10:28:39 PM
That Georgia game was ugly. First quarter was great, but then the offense and "teams" (they weren't very special) started to suck and there's only so much the defense can do when you insist on turning the ball over inside your 30.
I'm hoping Caleb King brings a little zip to the offense when he gets back. They were anemic against a team which had a really bad defense last year. Very inauspicious start.
I'm glad I stayed up for the end of that Miami-Florida State game. Wowzers. :)
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 08, 2009, 06:31:16 AM
I'm glad I stayed up for the end of that Miami-Florida State game. Wowzers. :)
Yeah, it was the best game I actually got to watch on opening weekend. The sad part is it was the game that I had the least rooting interest in of all the games I got to see.
Bill in Sinton is trying to lift my spirits before Texas' inevitable spanking at the hands of Wyoming:
QuoteRemember the game is in Wyoming and we have to play over 7,000 ft above sea level which is dangerous when you are not used to it. Plus it is the biggest game they have ever had there so they will be fired up and ready. Wyoming just beat Webber State who last year got to the second round of the Division 1 FSC playoffs and probably only lost to Montana because the game was in Montana. Remember Wyoming beat Tennessee on the road last year. Scary times indeed.
We must stay calm, cool, collected, careful, cautious,composed and confidence. It is important
to remain focused. We must cheer our team and ride around with our auto UT flags on our car and do the Hook 'em Horns sign. This is especially important for those in Austin. We must have synergy. The important of synergy cannot be over emphasized. We need to put much effort into this road game and not take it lightly.
But don't get discouraged. If we play well we have a good chance to win this game.
I must stay focussed...synergy will give us a good chance to win! I will tell Mack Brown I will be there and can come in on a moment's notice.
Quote from: Valmy on September 08, 2009, 08:04:31 AM
Bill in Sinton is trying to lift my spirits before Texas' inevitable spanking at the hands of Wyoming:
QuoteRemember the game is in Wyoming and we have to play over 7,000 ft above sea level which is dangerous when you are not used to it. Plus it is the biggest game they have ever had there so they will be fired up and ready. Wyoming just beat Webber State who last year got to the second round of the Division 1 FSC playoffs and probably only lost to Montana because the game was in Montana. Remember Wyoming beat Tennessee on the road last year. Scary times indeed.
We must stay calm, cool, collected, careful, cautious,composed and confidence. It is important
to remain focused. We must cheer our team and ride around with our auto UT flags on our car and do the Hook 'em Horns sign. This is especially important for those in Austin. We must have synergy. The important of synergy cannot be over emphasized. We need to put much effort into this road game and not take it lightly.
But don't get discouraged. If we play well we have a good chance to win this game.
I must stay focussed...synergy will give us a good chance to win! I will tell Mack Brown I will be there and come in on a moment's notice.
Bill is always worth a giggle or two.
I'm thinking of doing an 'Ed in Bellbrook' shtick. Rabid Ohio State demagoguery on message boards with frothing calls to sports talk radio.
If Gronk comes back and the offense manages to get on track, Arizona is going to be very good this year.
The defense is scary fast.
Quote from: Berkut on September 08, 2009, 09:12:44 AM
If Gronk comes back and the offense manages to get on track, Arizona is going to be very good this year.
The defense is scary fast.
Do you think they can beat Oregon State? I mean Iowa should theoretically be a tough game but after seeing them celebrate like they just won the Super Bowl against Northern Iowa...
I think Iowa will be a very difficult win, to be honest, even if Arizona is as good as I hope. Not an easy place to go and get a win ever.
But yes, I do think Arizona can beat OSU. That doesn't mean they will, of course, but I certainly think that if the Scott matures a bit and settles down, Gronk comes back healthy, and this defense is as good as CMU made them look, then I think the only Pac-10 team that I would consider to be "unbeatable" is USC - and USC always chokes one game a year - maybe it will be Arizona's turn!
I am thinking 6 wins in conference this year though.
Woah, BYU jumped up 11 places.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/poll/5
Quote1 Florida (56) 1-0 1493
2 Texas (2) 1-0 1424
3 USC 1-0 1355
4 Alabama (2) 1-0 1331
5 Oklahoma State 1-0 1201
6 Mississippi 1-0 1095
7 Penn State 1-0 1082
8 Ohio State 1-0 985
9 Brigham Young 1-0 984
10 California 1-0 971
11 LSU 1-0 890
12 Boise State 1-0 882
13 Oklahoma 0-1 782
14 Virginia Tech 0-1 652
15 Georgia Tech 1-0 630
16 TCU 0-0 523
17 Utah 1-0 404
18 Notre Dame 1-0 383
19 North Carolina 1-0 338
20 Miami (FL) 1-0 315
21 Georgia 0-1 294
22 Nebraska 1-0 266
23 Cincinnati 1-0 248
24 Kansas 1-0 196
25 Missouri 1-0 126
* Dropped from rankings: Oregon 16, Florida State 18, Iowa 22
* Others receiving votes: Oregon State 113, Michigan State 83, Pittsburgh 82, Texas Tech 53, Oregon 47, Clemson 40, FLORIDAST 39, West Virginia 32, Tennessee 30, Iowa 24, Michigan 18, UCLA 18, Baylor 17, Boston College 14, Arizona 12, East Carolina 6, Air Force 4, Auburn 4, Colorado State 4, Arkansas 3, South Carolina 3, South Florida 1, Southern Miss 1, Tulsa 1, Houston 1,
Behold the glory of the coaches poll:
Quote1 Florida (56) 1-0 1472
2 Texas (2) 1-0 1407
3 USC (1) 1-0 1352
4 Alabama 1-0 1299
5 Penn State 1-0 1145
6 Oklahoma State 1-0 1114
7 Ohio State 1-0 1106
8 Mississippi 1-0 1006
9 LSU 1-0 977
10 California 1-0 935
11 Boise State 1-0 803
12 Brigham Young 1-0 755
13 Georgia Tech 1-0 685
14 Oklahoma 0-1 682
15 Virginia Tech 0-1 633
16 TCU 0-0 543
17 Utah 1-0 503
18 Nebraska 1-0 360
19 North Carolina 1-0 358
20 Notre Dame 1-0 335
21 Georgia 0-1 304
22 Miami (FL) 1-0 276
23 Cincinnati 1-0 187
24 Oregon State 1-0 169
25 Kansas 1-0 139
Dropped from rankings: Oregon 14, Florida State 19, Iowa 21
Others receiving votes: Michigan State 133, Missouri 97, Iowa 70, Florida State 62, Texas Tech 53, Oregon 50, Pittsburgh 26, Clemson 24, South Carolina 23, Tennessee 21, WESTVIRGINIA 13, Auburn 13, South Florida 12, Kentucky 8, Arizona 5, Michigan 4, Northwestern 4, Boston College 3, Arkansas 2, Baylor 2, UCLA 2, Tulsa 1, Colorado State 1, Minnesota 1
I cannot believe people are still voting for Texas Tech. Maybe they missed the part where they struggled to beat South Dakota State and lost all their stars from last year?
I would have voted Alabama #1, they actually beat a good school.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2009, 01:49:17 PM
I would have voted Alabama #1, they actually beat a good school.
Virginia Tech? Don't make me laugh. Alabama was as sure of winning that game against those over-rated losers as Florida was whipping up on their patsy.
Quote from: Valmy on September 08, 2009, 01:16:59 PM
I cannot believe people are still voting for Texas Tech. Maybe they missed the part where they struggled to beat South Dakota State and lost all their stars from last year?
Everybody loves that goofy head coach. Except for Bill in Sinton.
Quote from: Valmy on September 08, 2009, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2009, 01:49:17 PM
I would have voted Alabama #1, they actually beat a good school.
Virginia Tech? Don't make me laugh. Alabama was as sure of winning that game against those over-rated losers as Florida was whipping up on their patsy.
Did you watch the game? It was a good game, VaTech sure didn't look like a patsy to me.
WVU is lucky to get any votes at all, after its performance over IAA Liberty.
33-20? Sufficient grounds to fire Luther Van Dam. Won't even need to go anywhere to find a new head coach, either. And his replacement is already in the organization. Get it done!!
Quote from: derspiess on September 08, 2009, 03:07:12 PM
Sufficient grounds to fire Luther Van Dam.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2009, 02:50:45 PM
Did you watch the game? It was a good game, VaTech sure didn't look like a patsy to me.
I did but aparently not the game you watched because I saw a team totally dominated in every facet except the scoreboard. VT was totally overmatched, they were never ever to keep possession of the ball and were outgained about 30-1 (ok more like 3-1).
But then it was the sort of game I expected. I got the feeling people were ranking VT high just because they felt like they needed to give somebody from the ACC some love. They should spend it on Miami and not this crew.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 08, 2009, 04:17:55 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 08, 2009, 03:07:12 PM
Sufficient grounds to fire Luther Van Dam.
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Bill Stewart is the embodiment of Luther. Nice guy, decent assistant coach, but clueless, bumbling, & inarticulate. Hell, he's starting to look like him.
WVU was drunk from the 2008 Fiesta Bowl win when they hired him, and it has been a hell of a hangover since.
You can always root for the Marshall Thundering Turd.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 08, 2009, 04:27:46 PM
You can always root for the Marshall Thundering Turd.
:lol: I'd probably just give up on college football altogether before I'd get to that point.
Marshall is so bad these days, it's almost no fun to mock them.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 08, 2009, 04:27:46 PM
You can always root for the Marshall Thundering Turd.
Quote from: derspiess on September 08, 2009, 04:34:50 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 08, 2009, 04:27:46 PM
You can always root for the Marshall Thundering Turd.
:lol: I'd probably just give up on college football altogether before I'd get to that point.
Marshall is so bad these days, it's almost no fun to mock them.
Snyder's worse than Stewart. Which is actually bad for WVU--it may end up taking them even longer to realize that Stewart needs to go than it's taken Marshall with Snyder.
Quote from: Berkut on September 08, 2009, 09:18:33 AM
I think Iowa will be a very difficult win, to be honest, even if Arizona is as good as I hope. Not an easy place to go and get a win ever.
You do realize Iowa doesn't have a single running back on the roster who has ever taken a college snap, don't you?
Quote from: dps on September 08, 2009, 06:18:41 PM
Snyder's worse than Stewart. Which is actually bad for WVU--it may end up taking them even longer to realize that Stewart needs to go than it's taken Marshall with Snyder.
Snyder is a trainwreck & it amazes me he still has his job after 4 losing seasons with no improvement, but he was put in the unfortunate role of having to clean up Pruett's mess. And I'm still trying to figure out how moving to C-USA was a good idea for Marshall.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 08, 2009, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 08, 2009, 09:18:33 AM
I think Iowa will be a very difficult win, to be honest, even if Arizona is as good as I hope. Not an easy place to go and get a win ever.
You do realize Iowa doesn't have a single running back on the roster who has ever taken a college snap, don't you?
Isn't that just a trick play?
Quote from: derspiess on September 08, 2009, 07:08:13 PM
Quote from: dps on September 08, 2009, 06:18:41 PM
Snyder's worse than Stewart. Which is actually bad for WVU--it may end up taking them even longer to realize that Stewart needs to go than it's taken Marshall with Snyder.
Snyder is a trainwreck & it amazes me he still has his job after 4 losing seasons with no improvement, but he was put in the unfortunate role of having to clean up Pruett's mess. And I'm still trying to figure out how moving to C-USA was a good idea for Marshall.
Well, it would have been a good move if they were still a good team. The timing was
really bad.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 08, 2009, 07:09:46 PM
Isn't that just a trick play?
Soon the Wildcat will be a regular formation!
Actually giving the running back the ball at all is rapidly becoming a trick play in the Big 12...I mean unless he catches a pass.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 08, 2009, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 08, 2009, 09:18:33 AM
I think Iowa will be a very difficult win, to be honest, even if Arizona is as good as I hope. Not an easy place to go and get a win ever.
You do realize Iowa doesn't have a single running back on the roster who has ever taken a college snap, don't you?
With the O-line they have, you could rush for 1200 yards.
The most important poll in the land...well ok it is not really a poll but here is the bottom 10:
Quote1. Western Kentucky 0-1 "Don't Let Me Down": After they put up only seven points and 83 total yards against the Vols, the Bottom 10 is confident the Hilltoppers won't let us down this season.
2. Eastern Michigan 0-1 "Ticket To Ride": A home loss to Army seems to indicate the Eagles will have a season-long ticket to ride in the Bottom 10. And they might be ticketed for a long ride.
3. New Mexico State 0-1 "Eight Days A Week": Even if new coach DeWayne Walker worked the Aggies eight days a week, that might not be enough to get them out of the Bottom 10 in '09.
4. Tulane 0-1 "If I Needed Someone": The Green Wave need someone. In fact, it looks like the Green Wave need a bunch of someones this season.
5. Oregon 0-1 "A Hard Day's Night": The offense struggled. LeGarrette Blount threw that punch. It was a tough first game for new coach Chip Kelly and the Ducks.
6. Virginia 0-1 "Do You Want To Know A Secret": Losing at home to William & Mary will land you in the Bottom 10 -- and put your coach in hot water.
7. Temple 0-1 "Twist And Shout": The Owls definitely are twisting and shouting after losing to neighbor (and FCS team) Villanova, but it's not the feel-good kind the Beatles hit inspired.
8. Duke 0-1 "Come Together": It looked like the Blue Devils had come together around David Cutcliffe, but a loss to Richmond indicates that is not the case -- at least yet.
9. Ball State 0-1 "I Want You": The Bottom 10 does want the Cardinals. We want them so bad, especially after a home loss to preseason No. 1 North Texas.
10. Washington 0-1 "Getting Better": A nation-worst 15 straight losses keeps the Huskies on the list, but don't expect U-Dub to be a part of our rocked band for much longer.
Congrats to all the ranked teams!
Quote from: dps on September 08, 2009, 07:33:20 PM
Well, it would have been a good move if they were still a good team. The timing was really bad.
I would not put C-USA significantly above the MAC. On top of that, Marshall's fan base, which travels well within relatively short distances, got royally screwed over. You'd think that would please me, but it doesn't :mellow:
Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: dps on September 08, 2009, 07:33:20 PM
Well, it would have been a good move if they were still a good team. The timing was really bad.
I would not put C-USA significantly above the MAC.
I'm not convinced that C-USA is particularly stronger than the MAC, either, but I think that the general perception around the country is that C-USA is a stronger conference. Look at it this way--after their fast start last year, East Carolina wuuld have had a good chance to be a BCS buster if they had won out, but Ball State had no chance to get to a BCS bowl even if the had avoided the loss.
Friday night and no smack talk? :huh:
My predictions for tomorrow: Michigan's victory over Notre Dame will be by less than their two-time-record 38 points. In fact, by 28 less points. Michigan will surge way ahead late in the second quarter and the first part of the third, and then Notre Dame will cut the lead to ten before fizzling out.
Michigan 34, ND 24.
Anybody watching Colorado at Toledo? Toledo just went up 13-0. Might be a long year for Colorado.
Quote from: grumbler on September 11, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Michigan's victory over Notre Dame
FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FIASLG IFAIUFL UIAGAGLDFFAIL
Holy Mother Church 35, Bill Ayers' Alma Mater 12
Quote from: dps on September 11, 2009, 08:38:25 PM
Anybody watching Colorado at Toledo? Toledo just went up 13-0. Might be a long year for Colorado.
Wow. 30- 3 now.
Colorado looked like they were coming back, but now Toledo's up 44-24.
Yeah, it's gonna be a long year for Colorado. If Toledo's offense can do this to them, what will Big 12 offensives do to them?
Quote from: dps on September 11, 2009, 10:49:43 PM
what will Big 12 offensives do to them?
Well if Colorado actually is as bad as they've looked in these first two games:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=200512030018
ESPN America today:
16:00 Live College GameDay
18:00 Live Fresno State at Wisconsin
21:30 Live Notre Dame at Michigan - College Football
01:00 Live College Football Scoreboard - College Football
02:00 Live USC at Ohio State - College Football
Quote from: Syt on September 12, 2009, 08:49:43 AM
21:30 Live Notre Dame at Michigan - College Football
02:00 Live USC at Ohio State - College Football
Cool...you get to see both grumber AND Monkeybutt feel Transatlantic pain. You'll actually be able to see the moment when their eyes bleed.
Hmm. I wonder which noon game I should watch. I've got 6 choices: Stanford at Wake Forest, Troy at Florida, Fresno State at Wisconsin, Central Michigan at Michigan State, Iowa at Iowa State, or North Carolina at Connecticut. I've got not particular rooting interest in any of them, but I think that either Stanford-Wake Forest or Freson State-Wisconsin should be the best game. I'll probably end up just switching channels a lot.
Teehee. Pittsburgh is slaughtering the Buffalo Bulls. 27-7 in the middle of the second quarter.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2009, 10:05:28 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 12, 2009, 08:49:43 AM
21:30 Live Notre Dame at Michigan - College Football
02:00 Live USC at Ohio State - College Football
Cool...you get to see both grumber AND Monkeybutt feel Transatlantic pain. You'll actually be able to see the moment when their eyes bleed.
If Ohio State is being blown out at half, I'm leaving the fucking stadium.
Lol. Michigan State choked again.
UB gave it a good try against Pitt, alas it was not meant to be. It's good to see them compete though, and barring a few silly mistakes and fuckups, they would have had a legit shot :(
Without seeing the game I have to say that Dion Lewis' stats in his first two games are pretty impressive.
Oh FFS - ND gets inside the 20, and manages to come away with no points.
17-14 Notre Dame, 5 minutes remaining. :)
6-3 Texas over Wyoming? :o
Quote from: dps on September 12, 2009, 02:28:30 PM
Lol. Michigan State choked again.
Usually they wait until four or five games in. :P
OTOH---This is not the usual pattern. Maybe they'll run the table after this...
nah.
Only thing bad about the Michigan state game was Pam "Froggy" Ward in the fucking booth. WHO IS SHE BLOWING AT ESPN? :mad:
Quote from: Syt on September 12, 2009, 02:40:10 PM
Without seeing the game I have to say that Dion Lewis' stats in his first two games are pretty impressive.
Yeah, except Pitt has only played Buffalo and Youngstown State so far. Buffalo is a respectable squad for MAC standards, but not for BCS, and Youngstown State is D1-AA. We won't really know where Pitt stands for at least 2 weeks.
Texas is only up by 3 at the half over Wyoming!? :huh:
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 12, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Only thing bad about the Michigan state game was Pam "Froggy" Ward in the fucking booth. WHO IS SHE BLOWING AT ESPN? :mad:
I don't think she's had much experience with that.
But yeah, she's definitely one of the few that make me turn the volume all the way down.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2009, 04:22:44 PM
Texas is only up by 3 at the half over Wyoming!? :huh:
Texas 34-10 now. ^_^
All is right.
WVU comes from being down 10-0 to beating East Carolina 35-20. Sure, it's only East Carolina but in the Coach Stew era, you don't take any win for granted. I really thought ECU would pick up their 2nd straight win vs. WVU.
Okay, I'll take down the FIRE COACH LUTHER banner from my house for a week.
Oklahoma St lost!
11 seconds left for the Irish...
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 11, 2009, 09:46:46 PM
FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FIASLG IFAIUFL UIAGAGLDFFAIL
Holy Mother Church 35, Bill Ayers' Alma Mater 12
:lmfao: :contract: :nelson
Say want you want about him, but RichRod has a knack for pulling come from behind wins out of his ass.
Wow, somebody on the ND special teams must have touched that ball as it rocketed by. Otherwise they got robbed of a few seconds. Probably wouldn't have helped though.
Either both ND and Michigan have made huge turnarounds this year, or this was a balanced cripplefight. I'm guessing the former.
Was SC's QB just praying?
USC-Ohio State is underway.
I just hope it's not a blowout.
Boise is up 14-0 at the end of the 1st against Miami(Ohio). I went to the Broncoshop last Thursday for some shirts. One has this logo:
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FSU is down 9-7 to Jacksonville State with about 9 minutes left in the 4th. Oh, have the mighty fallen. If only Bobby was more like Urban.
Link to watch game here, if anyone interested: http://www.justin.tv/wooter_in_a2
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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 12, 2009, 07:11:00 PM
Was SC's QB just praying?
Either that or he was trying to get the endzone grass psyched up. Good game so far.
In case anyone cases, FSU just scored a last minute TD to take a lead on FCS Jacksonville State. Is it me, or have FCS and non-BCS teams given BCS teams better games in recent years. There's been a bunch of upsets and near upsets in the past few years.
Hey Washington won. :)
Quote from: derspiess on September 12, 2009, 06:19:34 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 11, 2009, 09:46:46 PM
FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FIASLG IFAIUFL UIAGAGLDFFAIL
Holy Mother Church 35, Bill Ayers' Alma Mater 12
:lmfao: :contract: :nelson
Stoopid Saturdays. :mad:
:P
It's 34-0 beginning of 4th. Miami didn't show up.
It's 40-0 now. This is boring.
Quote from: citizen kMiami didn't show up.
I'm not sure that it's that they didn't show up, just that they're not a very good team. Kentucky demolished them last week.
MB is getting a good show after all. :)
Nice drive by USC there.
A minute left and a field goal down. Could be worse.
Hopefully, this loss will keep Ohio State from stinking up another BCS title game.
Quote from: dps on September 12, 2009, 10:30:28 PM
Hopefully, this loss will keep Ohio State from stinking up another BCS title game.
One can only hope.
Besides, there was no way USC was going to lose this game. They have to go undefeated before they lose to
<insert inevitable, obligatory loss to unranked PAC-10 opponent here> sometime in November.
Quote from: dps on September 12, 2009, 10:30:28 PM
Hopefully, this loss will keep Ohio State from stinking up another BCS title game.
Obviously it will. They will likely still go the the Rose Bowl if they beat Penn State, but not the NC. There might be a rematch of this game if SC does their usual in-conference surprise loss thing.
Edit: Simul-post with Seedy. :lol:
I don't know which phrase was mentioned the most: "true freshman" by Brent Mussberger during the game, or "Praise God" by said true freshman after it.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 12, 2009, 10:36:07 PM
Edit: Simul-post with Seedy. :lol:
Death, taxes, and a loss to, I dunno, Oregon State.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2009, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 12, 2009, 10:36:07 PM
Edit: Simul-post with Seedy. :lol:
Death, taxes, and a loss to, I dunno, Oregon State.
Nope they don't play in Corvallis this year.
Oh, and you Big XII apologists can go suck it. Two Top 5 teams losing to non-con opponents in the first two weeks? That's worse than usual.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 12, 2009, 09:58:17 PM
MB is getting a good show after all. :)
Yes. The place was a nuthouse. My ears are still ringing a bit, and we wore earplugs.
I'm mildly annoyed, but hey, the bucks wasn't blown out. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2009, 10:37:08 PM
I don't know which phrase was mentioned the most: "true freshman" by Brent Mussberger during the game, or "Praise God" by said true freshman after it.
Thing is, he didn't even have such a stellar game. 15-31? That's not exactly Joe Montana territory.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 13, 2009, 07:00:27 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 12, 2009, 09:58:17 PM
MB is getting a good show after all. :)
Yes. The place was a nuthouse. My ears are still ringing a bit, and we wore earplugs.
I'm mildly annoyed, but hey, the bucks wasn't blown out. :P
I saw you guys on TV. I could tell it was you, because your wife was the one with the Buckeyes sippy cup.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 12, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Only thing bad about the Michigan state game was Pam "Froggy" Ward in the fucking booth. WHO IS SHE BLOWING AT ESPN? :mad:
I don't care for her, either.
It may be a loooong season for my Spartans.
Notre Dame should not have lost that game. Could they not figure out the Michigan was going to pass for the last several plays to gain yardage? The UM offense went through the ND defense like a hot knife through butter.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 13, 2009, 08:51:30 AM
I saw you guys on TV. I could tell it was you, because your wife was the one with the Buckeyes sippy cup.
:lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 13, 2009, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 13, 2009, 07:00:27 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 12, 2009, 09:58:17 PM
MB is getting a good show after all. :)
Yes. The place was a nuthouse. My ears are still ringing a bit, and we wore earplugs.
I'm mildly annoyed, but hey, the bucks wasn't blown out. :P
I saw you guys on TV. I could tell it was you, because your wife was the one with the Buckeyes sippy cup.
:lol:
I forgot the most awesome part. Jack Tatum was at the game. Annihilator of patriots.
Quote from: charliebear on September 13, 2009, 09:23:07 AM
Notre Dame should not have lost that game. Could they not figure out the Michigan was going to pass for the last several plays to gain yardage? The UM offense went through the ND defense like a hot knife through butter.
No, they shouldn't have. But they had a 73 yard pass wiped out by a penalty, several drops in the endzone, and an overall inconsistent performance.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 13, 2009, 09:44:31 AM
No, they shouldn't have. But they had a 73 yard pass wiped out by a penalty, several drops in the endzone, and an overall inconsistent performance.
Both teams had some horrendous drops, but that is par for the course. What surprised me was how poorly the secondaries of both teams played. Those who think Wiess shouldn't have thrown on that second-to-last ND drive were not watching the same game I was - passing was clearly his best bet. The problem was that Michigan's D-line was teeing off against the pass, and Clauson couldn't escape the pressure.
I think Michigan certainly stood a better chance against ND than MSU did against Central Michigan. CMU had lost something like four straight to MSU, and they were due.
I will always treasure the fact that Wyoming led Texas 10-6 in the second quarter before giving up the next 35 points. :)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2009, 06:10:52 PM
Oklahoma St lost!
Wow.
Big shocker there.
Seriously I babble on about how Oklahoma State can't play defense and they have been a bunch of miserable chockers for 100 years but nobody seems to listen.
Quote from: PDH on September 13, 2009, 11:18:17 AM
I will always treasure the fact that Wyoming led Texas 10-6 in the second quarter before giving up the next 35 points. :)
Ok now just beat Colorado.
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2009, 02:04:12 PM
Seriously I babble on about how Oklahoma State can't play defense and they have been a bunch of miserable chockers for 100 years but nobody seems to listen.
Butbutbut! They were ranked #5! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2009, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2009, 06:10:52 PM
Oklahoma St lost!
Wow.
Big shocker there.
Seriously I babble on about how Oklahoma State can't play defense and they have been a bunch of miserable chockers for 100 years but nobody seems to listen.
But their coach is a man! He's 40!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 02:07:09 PM
But their coach is a man! He's 40!
But this is division I football! This is the Big 12!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 02:07:09 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2009, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2009, 06:10:52 PM
Oklahoma St lost!
Wow.
Big shocker there.
Seriously I babble on about how Oklahoma State can't play defense and they have been a bunch of miserable chockers for 100 years but nobody seems to listen.
But their coach is a man! He's 40!
:lol:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 13, 2009, 02:05:14 PM
Butbutbut! They were ranked #5! :rolleyes:
The hype over Okie State was really perplexing. I am glad it is over.
Seriously guys they are the Michigan State of Oklahoma and should never be taken that seriously.
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2009, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 13, 2009, 02:05:14 PM
Butbutbut! They were ranked #5! :rolleyes:
The hype over Okie State was really perplexing. I am glad it is over.
Seriously guys they are the Michigan State of Oklahoma and should never be taken that seriously.
Yeowch. :pinch:
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2009, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 13, 2009, 02:05:14 PM
Butbutbut! They were ranked #5! :rolleyes:
The hype over Okie State was really perplexing. I am glad it is over.
Seriously guys they are the Michigan State of Oklahoma and should never be taken that seriously.
If OSU is the Michigan State of the Big Ex Eye Eye, what's Kansas State? The Ohio State of the Big X12?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 13, 2009, 03:57:54 PM
If OSU is the Michigan State of the Big Ex Eye Eye, what's Kansas State? The Ohio State of the Big X12?
Wyoming is sort of like the Rice of the Big 12!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 13, 2009, 03:57:54 PM
If OSU is the Michigan State of the Big Ex Eye Eye, what's Kansas State? The Ohio State of the Big X12?
What
Edit:
QuoteWyoming is sort of like the Rice of the Big 12!
The B12 should replace Iowa State with Wyoming.
Nothing to egregious to report on the ranking front.
The AP Poll
Quote1 Florida (56) 2-0 1491
2 Texas (1) 2-0 1404
3 USC (1) 2-0 1396
4 Alabama (2) 2-0 1328
5 Mississippi 1-0 1145
5 Penn State 2-0 1145
7 Brigham Young 2-0 1122
8 California 2-0 1058
9 LSU 2-0 951
10 Boise State 2-0 945
11 Ohio State 1-1 840
12 Oklahoma 1-1 835
13 Virginia Tech 1-1 749
14 Georgia Tech 2-0 683
15 TCU 1-0 609
16 Oklahoma State 1-1 445
17 Cincinnati 2-0 407
18 Utah 2-0 405
19 Nebraska 2-0 365
20 Miami (FL) 1-0 364
21 Houston 2-0 341
22 Kansas 2-0 271
23 Georgia 1-1 260
24 North Carolina 2-0 250
25 Michigan 2-0 169
* Dropped from rankings: Notre Dame 18, Missouri 25
* Others receiving votes: Missouri 93, Pittsburgh 87, Oregon State 64, Texas Tech 54, UCLA 44, Notre Dame 40, West Virginia 30, Auburn 26, Iowa 23, Boston College 19, Baylor 15, Clemson 10, Oregon 5, Arizona 4, Arkansas 3, Colorado State 2, Florida State 1, Minnesota 1, South Florida 1
The Coaches Poll
Quote1 Florida (56) 2-0 1472
2 Texas 2-0 1399
3 USC (3) 2-0 1368
4 Alabama 2-0 1277
5 Penn State 2-0 1216
6 Mississippi 1-0 1060
7 LSU 2-0 1051
7 California 2-0 1051
9 Brigham Young 2-0 941
10 Boise State 2-0 913
11 Ohio State 1-1 855
12 Oklahoma 1-1 794
13 Georgia Tech 2-0 771
14 Virginia Tech 1-1 709
15 TCU 1-0 648
16 Utah 2-0 533
17 Oklahoma State 1-1 485
18 Nebraska 2-0 471
19 North Carolina 2-0 341
20 Georgia 1-1 333
21 Cincinnati 2-0 328
22 Miami (FL) 1-0 291
23 Kansas 2-0 195
24 Oregon State 2-0 118
25 Missouri 2-0 104
* Dropped from rankings: Notre Dame 20
* Others receiving votes: Michigan 84, Houston 69, Texas Tech 68, Pittsburgh 40, Notre Dame 32, Auburn 30, Iowa 27, Florida State 19, Oregon 16, West Virginia 16, UCLA 13, South Florida 13, Kentucky 9, Arizona 4, CENTRL MICHIGAN 2, Colorado State 2, Minnesota 2, Northwestern 2, Arkansas 1, Tulsa 1, South Carolina 1
Do you still think Bama should be #1 after their stellar win over Florida International?
Why is Central Michigan in all caps (and misspelled) in the coaches poll there?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 13, 2009, 05:43:51 PM
Why is Central Michigan in all caps (and misspelled) in the coaches poll there?
Chippewa Fever...CATCHIT!
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 13, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Do you still think Bama should be #1 after their stellar win over Florida International?
They won 40-14, nothing there to change my mind. They're still the only team in the top 5 with a quality win.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
They won 40-14, nothing there to change my mind. They're still the only team in the top 5 with a quality win.
USC?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 13, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Do you still think Bama should be #1 after their stellar win over Florida International?
They won 40-14, nothing there to change my mind. They're still the only team in the top 5 with a quality win.
So are you bandwagoning for them now?
Poor CdM. Now he won't have a Fighting Irish Buddy on the forum.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 13, 2009, 06:21:22 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
They won 40-14, nothing there to change my mind. They're still the only team in the top 5 with a quality win.
USC?
I said quality opponent.
Quote from: Neil on September 13, 2009, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 13, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Do you still think Bama should be #1 after their stellar win over Florida International?
They won 40-14, nothing there to change my mind. They're still the only team in the top 5 with a quality win.
So are you bandwagoning for them now?
Poor CdM. Now he won't have a Fighting Irish Buddy on the forum.
I just call 'em like I see 'em. I still love the Irish.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 06:34:50 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 13, 2009, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 13, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
Do you still think Bama should be #1 after their stellar win over Florida International?
They won 40-14, nothing there to change my mind. They're still the only team in the top 5 with a quality win.
So are you bandwagoning for them now?
Poor CdM. Now he won't have a Fighting Irish Buddy on the forum.
I just call 'em like I see 'em. I still love the Irish.
Go fuck yourself.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 06:34:27 PM
I said quality opponent.
I know you did, which is why I thought you were referring to USC, but just made a little mistake and started talking about Bama for some reason.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
I said quality opponent.
Did Alabama play a third game because the only other win I see is that untalented punchless group of tools from Blacksburg.
Well, if you're going by who's beaten the best team, BYU should be #1.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 13, 2009, 04:05:33 PM
The B12 should replace Iowa State with Wyoming.
Going from the Mountain West to the Big 12 north would be a major step down.
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2009, 07:06:12 PM
Going from the Mountain West to the Big 12 north would be a major step down.
Maybe, but they could at least play in the B12 championship every year, only one win from a BCS bowl. :yes:
Updated records in non-conference games (format: conference; record in all non-conference games, record in non-conference games against 1-A opponents (none of that FBS/FCS crap for me); record in non-conference games against teams in BCS AQ conferences; record against non-conference top 25 opponents):
ACC 10-8; 6-5; 2-5; 0-3
Big East 10-3; 4-3; 0-3; 0-2
Big 10 17-5; 12-3; 4-3; 1-2
Big 12 16-6; 11-6; 3-1; 1-1
Pac 10 13-4; 9-4; 4-2; 1-2
SEC 13-2; 9-2; 3-2; 1-1
CUSA 8-8; 2-8; 1-5; 1-4
MAC 8-17; 4-16; 2-13; 0-3
MWC 11-6; 6-6; 3-5; 1-1
SB 6-10; 3-10; 1-8; 0-3
WAC 6-8; 3-8; 2-5; 1-5
Bonus: 1-A teams that lost to 1-AA opponents: Temple (MAC), Virginia (ACC), Duke (ACC), Ball State (MAC).
Again, if anyone sees anything I've gotten wrong, let me know and I'll correct it.
EDIT: Fixed MAC record against BCS AQ conferences from 1-13 to 2-13.
College Gameday called my office this afternoon to get their computer and phone services set up! It looks like Kirk Herbstreit will be drinking girlie margaritas in an El Arroyo in Austin shortly.
Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2009, 03:42:47 PM
College Gameday called my office this afternoon to get their computer and phone services set up! It looks like Kirk Herbstreit will be drinking girlie margaritas in an El Arroyo in Austin shortly.
Don't insult Herbie. His kids sliced Corso up Saturday. :P
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 13, 2009, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 13, 2009, 06:34:27 PM
I said quality opponent.
I know you did, which is why I thought you were referring to USC, but just made a little mistake and started talking about Bama for some reason.
Tim lives in his own world. A parallel universe in which a different college football season is taking place.
I like all the predictions that Urban Meyer is going to run up the score and assrape the Vols. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy like Lane Kiffin.
Urban was good at Utah, and really other than the fact that he has been deified I can see no reason to dislike him.
Of course, Texas still has to win the championship so that I can puff up my chest and say "Well, Wyoming led them in the 2nd quarter."
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 15, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
I like all the predictions that Urban Meyer is going to run up the score and assrape the Vols. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy like Lane Kiffin.
No predictions involved. It is established fact. Florida is going to score at every opportunity on that fag.
Pffft, the Vols...
Wyoming beat them last year.
Quote from: PDH on September 15, 2009, 05:54:48 PM
Of course, Texas still has to win the championship so that I can puff up my chest and say "Well, Wyoming led them in the 2nd quarter."
Speaking of which it seems that bizarre faked punt was the punters own initiative. It seems the coaching staff instructed him to go ahead and run if he feels he can make it but neglected to mention to not do it out of his own end zone :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 15, 2009, 05:57:24 PM
No predictions involved. It is established fact. Florida is going to score at every opportunity on that fag.
Bandwagoning? I can't say I am not disappointed in you.
But hey I guess there is not much to cheer about in Terp land this season.
Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2009, 10:13:02 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 15, 2009, 05:57:24 PM
No predictions involved. It is established fact. Florida is going to score at every opportunity on that fag.
Bandwagoning? I can't say I am not disappointed in you.
But hey I guess there is not much to cheer about in Terp land this season.
I've been cheering Florida since the days of Spurrier after the '93 Bowl with the Irish, when the state's greatest high school prospect signed with The Ol' Ball Coach, who promptly destroyed him. One day, Spurrier shall return to where he belongs.
And no, Terpville is a desolate wasteland this season.
Oh, and Tennessee represents all that is evil and corrupt in college football, even without Fattie Fulmer there.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 16, 2009, 05:18:27 AM
Oh, and Tennessee represents all that is evil and corrupt in college football, even without Fattie Fulmer there.
stop dissing my cousin!
Is there a fatter coach in football than Charlie Weis?
Go to Kansas, lad.
Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2009, 10:12:23 PM
Speaking of which it seems that bizarre faked punt was the punters own initiative. It seems the coaching staff instructed him to go ahead and run if he feels he can make it but neglected to mention to not do it out of his own end zone :P
Yeah, Mack Brown mentioned that he had done it on his own during the quick halftime interview. I don't think I've ever heard him (kindasorta) call a player out like that before.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 16, 2009, 05:28:50 AM
Is there a fatter coach in football than Charlie Weis?
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I think it is safe to say Mark Mangino could consume any coach in Div I and still have room for a few Div III linemen.
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Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 16, 2009, 06:35:25 AM
Yeah, Mack Brown mentioned that he had done it on his own during the quick halftime interview. I don't think I've ever heard him (kindasorta) call a player out like that before.
Yeah that is out of character. I think emotions were running a bit high on the Texas sideline after all the fuckups on special teams in that first half though.
I've got a friendly wager on this weekend's MSU/Notre Dame game. Go Green!
Quote from: charliebear on September 16, 2009, 09:50:02 AM
I've got a friendly wager on this weekend's MSU/Notre Dame game. Go Green!
The only thing better than MSU's spectacular ability to lose in hilarious ways is their bizarre ability to always beat Notre Dame in South Bend.
If only they had gotten to play Notre Dame there in 1966 they could have been national champions.
Quote from: Valmy on September 16, 2009, 09:51:58 AM
Quote from: charliebear on September 16, 2009, 09:50:02 AM
I've got a friendly wager on this weekend's MSU/Notre Dame game. Go Green!
The only thing better than MSU's spectacular ability to lose in hilarious ways is their bizarre ability to always beat Notre Dame in South Bend.
If only they had gotten to play Notre Dame there in 1966 they could have been national champions.
You just had to bring that up, didn't you. :rolleyes:
Quote from: charliebear on September 16, 2009, 09:53:39 AM
You just had to bring that up, didn't you. :rolleyes:
I am only bitter because thanks to you I started sort of cheering for and following Michigan State a little bit and am simply appalled by what you people put up with. :P
I hope they beat Notre Dame and hey Basketball Season will be here soon.
From the South Bend Tribune:
QuoteNotre Dame football: Irish player punched by Michigan player
Charlie Weis sent in video to the Big 10 office saying his players had been punched during the Michigan game saturday. Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez denies knowledge of the situation. Here's a clip from Saturday's game. Watch Notre Dame center Eric Olsen, 55, and Michigan's Jonas Mouton, 8. You decide.
Link to video:
http://affiliate.kickapps.com/_Irish-player-punched/video/784982/48860.html (http://affiliate.kickapps.com/_Irish-player-punched/video/784982/48860.html)
So Charlie's still got his good old videocamera running eh...
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 16, 2009, 01:19:18 PM
So Charlie's still got his good old videocamera running eh...
Once a cheat, always a cheat.
Arizona is going to Iowa this weekend. Should be quite a test.
Houston #4!
Florida #5!
:o
Monkeybutt, kick this guy's ass, stat!
http://pollspeak.com/pollstalker/pollstalker.php?r=V&s=9&p=18&w=3&t1=0&t2=0&v=20
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2009, 09:44:20 PM
Houston #4!
Florida #5!
:o
Monkeybutt, kick this guy's ass, stat!
http://pollspeak.com/pollstalker/pollstalker.php?r=V&s=9&p=18&w=3&t1=0&t2=0&v=20
Michigan #6? :lmfao: They have a shaky defense and a freshman quarterback. This guy is a nut.
Quote from: grumbler on September 16, 2009, 11:43:02 PM
Michigan #6? :lmfao: They have a shaky defense and a freshman quarterback. This guy is a nut.
There's a poll on Sportsline asking how many games UofM will lose this year. I clicked "3" without thinking about it, but honestly, now that I actually looked at their schedule, I wouldn't be totally surprised if they only lost two (and the PSU and OSU games are both in Michigan, so who knows). They do have to go to East Lansing, but hey Central came in and rocked that place.
Of course, now that I posted this, they'll lose to Eastern and the program will simply be shut down out of shame.
Quote from: grumbler on September 16, 2009, 11:43:02 PM
Michigan #6? :lmfao: They have a shaky defense and a freshman quarterback. This guy is a nut.
He obviously believes in
tradition.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 17, 2009, 06:03:42 AM
Quote from: grumbler on September 16, 2009, 11:43:02 PM
Michigan #6? :lmfao: They have a shaky defense and a freshman quarterback. This guy is a nut.
There's a poll on Sportsline asking how many games UofM will lose this year.
<snip>
Of course, now that I posted this, they'll lose to Eastern and the program will simply be shut down out of shame.
I'm good with that.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2009, 09:44:20 PM
Houston #4!
Florida #5!
:o
Monkeybutt, kick this guy's ass, stat!
http://pollspeak.com/pollstalker/pollstalker.php?r=V&s=9&p=18&w=3&t1=0&t2=0&v=20
No. I really don't care.
I wonder how Katmai will celebrate Washington's coming victory?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4480090
QuoteCOLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State coach Jim Tressel says he has no desire to give up calling plays and will not change his offensive philosophy in the wake of the Buckeyes' sixth consecutive loss to a top-10 team.
For the first time in his now-nine-year tenure in Columbus, Tressel is catching fire from all directions in the wake of Saturday night's 18-15 loss to No. 3 USC.
Letters to the sports editor of the local newspaper, bloggers, Web sites, columnists, radio talk shows and TV analysts have all criticized Tressel's conservative approach to the game and his handling of the team.
Tressel's offensive philosophy basically is built on playing for field position, avoiding turnovers at all cost and relying on defense and special teams to win the game.
"I'm not sure exactly what a wholesale change would entail. I mean, are we going to go to the Navy triple option? Probably not," Tressel said Tuesday. "Will we go conceptually to this or that? If you look at our teams from 2001 on, they haven't been exactly the same because, you know, you don't have the same people. But I don't know that we would make a wholesale [change]."
Tressel, who said he makes most of the play calls even though Jim Bollman has the title of offensive coordinator, disdained going for a touchdown in favor of an easy field goal on fourth-and-goal at the USC 1 early in the second quarter. He also favored punting on fourth-and-1 at the USC 45 in the third quarter.
With around 8 minutes left in the game and Ohio State gripping a 15-10 lead, the Buckeyes drove to a first down at the USC 35. After a run gained 3 yards, quarterback Terrelle Pryor threw an incompletion and then was sacked for a 4-yard loss that meant kicker Aaron Pettrey would have a 53-yard attempt on fourth-and-11 at the USC 36. Tressel elected to punt again.
That punt led to the Trojans taking control for an impressive 86-yard drive that won the game.
"I'll always believe that you win tough ballgames by making sure that you're the group that makes less mistakes, wins that field-position battle, [and] wins the battle in the trenches statistically," Tressel said. "So, no, I philosophically wouldn't go against that."
The vitriol Tressel has faced after the game is unlike any he has encountered in his eight-plus years as Buckeyes coach. His first Ohio State team went 7-5 in 2001 but beat Michigan, earning him genius status with the Buckeyes' frequently fickle fans.
Since then, he led the Buckeyes to a surprising national championship in 2002 and has dominated the series with the archrival Wolverines, winning seven of eight meetings.
But landslide losses in the 2006 and 2007 national title games to Florida and LSU, and subsequent defeats in high-profile games to USC, Penn State, Texas and again to USC have caused the critics to come after the guy in the sweater vest.
With the 11th-ranked Buckeyes (1-1) preparing to play Toledo at Cleveland Browns Stadium on Saturday, the glow of that 2002 national championship game seems light-years away.
Tressel said he has received critical e-mails, but said the fans' poison makes him feel sorry for them.
"When I read some of them I feel terrible for them because there's no way they're happy," he said. "They've got to be some of the most unhappy people in the world, and I feel bad because we just made them less happy, and I hate to be a part of making someone less happy. I mean, they're already miserable."
Everybody hates the internet.
Ohio State is too good to have moral victories. Wyoming is bad enough that losing to Texas 41-10 actually equalled a 2 point win vs the spread!
Quote from: PDH on September 17, 2009, 10:38:29 AM
Wyoming is bad enough that losing to Texas 41-10 actually equalled a 2 point win vs the spread!
Mack is taking a strong stand against Gamblers this year. Texas has missed the spread by 1 or 2 points each game so far.
Oh and may Wyoming beat Colorado. So let it be written so let it be done.
Quote from: Valmy on September 17, 2009, 10:46:25 AM
Oh and may Wyoming beat Colorado. So let it be written so let it be done.
Well, Wyoming has a quality defense, an athletic QB, suspended receivers are back, and Colorado sucked massive ass in the first two games. I sure am hoping...
The Colorado secondary looked like they had planted roots in that Toledo game.
Behold the bottom 10:
Quote1. Miami (Ohio) 0-2 "Dirty Dancing": The RedHawks haven't registered a point on offense so far this season and have been outscored 90-0. Doubt they are having the time of their lives.
2. Western Kentucky 0-2 "The Outsiders": Darrell, Soda, Ponyboy and the rest of the gang were outsiders. Newbie WKU is getting the same treatment from the FBS establishment.
3. Ball State 0-2 "Red Dawn": After losing to Football Championship Subdivision school New Hampshire, the Cardinals definitely aren't showing the same kind of fight Jed and the Wolverines did.
4. Rice 0-2 "To Wong Foo Thanks For Everything, Julie Newmar": "Attitude is everything" was the tagline of a title that demanded inclusion. The Owls' D, which is giving up 49.5 points per game, needs a new attitude.
5. Colorado 0-2 "Point Break": Bodhi craved 100 percent pure adrenaline. The Buffs could use some of that after getting drilled in Toledo put them on their backs.
6. Tulane 0-2 "Road House": How did it feel to get bounced from the Double Deuce by Dalton? Ask the Green Wave. They take a beating almost every Saturday.
7. New Mexico 0-2 "Next Of Kin": New Mexico State won its way off the Bottom 10, but no need for revenge in the Land of Disenchantment. The Lobos are ready to step into the Aggies' place.
8. Temple 0-1 "City of Joy": Why was the City of Brotherly Love transformed into the City of Joy last week? Well, the Owls had a bye week.
9. Eastern Michigan 0-2 "Steel Dawn": Nomad was a desert warrior, carving the future with his sword. The Eagles tried to carve a new future at Northwestern, but fell just short and remain in the Bottom 10 desert.
10. Virginia 0-2 "Youngblood": Al Groh appears to be on thin ice in Charlottesville. If the Cavs don't turn things around, a hot new coaching prospect could be skating into town after 2009.
I refuse to call Miami of Ohio the Redhawks. They will always be the Redskins to me.
Fuck PC name changes. Miami area has a long link to Indians AND mistreatment of them. That name was perfect.
CDM'S LEAD PIPE LOCK OF THE WEEK
The Mustangs of Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo upsets the Bobcats of Ohio on the road.
WTF?
Hurricanes cutting up the Yellow Jackets pretty bad.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2009, 08:59:38 PM
Hurricanes cutting up the Yellow Jackets pretty bad.
Canes look like they might finally be back.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2009, 08:59:38 PM
Hurricanes cutting up the Yellow Jackets pretty bad.
:weep:
Quote from: stjaba on September 17, 2009, 09:32:51 PM
Canes look like they might finally be back.
Was bound to happen. Huge party school and great weather makes an attractive sojourn for athletes who are sure they're headed for the NFL.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 17, 2009, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: stjaba on September 17, 2009, 09:32:51 PM
Canes look like they might finally be back.
Was bound to happen. Huge party school and great weather makes an attractive sojourn for athletes who are sure they're headed for the NFL.
The fact of the matter is that Florida could only fit so many players on its roster, leaving many great players looking for another school in state.
The revival of Miami is good for college football. Gives everyone something to despise, and keeps Florida from becoming too dominant.
You know, I didn't think it was possible to despise the Tennessee program any more when Fulmer was running it. The sheer outrageous hubris and naked arrogance of flouting NCAA regulations by Fatass Phil Fulmer, while "anonymously" narcing out other programs behind closed doors...they were the Dubya Administration of the NCAA.
But man, Lane Kiffin really makes you want to hate them...at first I thought, well, maybe Al Davis is getting more senile, but no...Kiffin is all that of an asshole and a bag of chips.
Expect Florida to try their best tomorrow to hit the 80 point mark with the score in The Swamp. There will be more Volunteer corpses on the field not seen since Chickamauga.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
There will be more Volunteer corpses on the field not seen since Chickamauga.
:lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
You know, I didn't think it was possible to despise the Tennessee program any more when Fulmer was running it. The sheer outrageous hubris and naked arrogance of flouting NCAA regulations by Fatass Phil Fulmer, while "anonymously" narcing out other programs behind closed doors...they were the Dubya Administration of the NCAA.
But man, Lane Kiffin really makes you want to hate them...at first I thought, well, maybe Al Davis is getting more senile, but no...Kiffin is all that of an asshole and a bag of chips.
Expect Florida to try their best tomorrow to hit the 80 point mark with the score in The Swamp. There will be more Volunteer corpses on the field not seen since Chickamauga.
Actually, I hated Fulmer but still respected UT football, until Kiffin. His hire is more slimey than RichRods, and with less justification. I am half-hoping that Michigan gets UT as a bowl opponent this year, and half-hoping UT doesn't make a bowl.
MSU-ND is the game I will be watching this weekend. I was very impressed with ND's passing game last weekend, and suspect that this may be a ND blowout. Weiss could not possibly miss the motivator that ND does not want to be the team that lost to the team that lost to Central Michigan.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
Expect Florida to try their best tomorrow to hit the 80 point mark with the score in The Swamp. There will be more Volunteer corpses on the field not seen since Chickamauga.
I'd like that, but UT's defense is actually pretty decent. The other possible reason I don't see Urban trying to run up the score too much is that he is friends with Papa Kiffin, UT's defensive coordinator. Still, the line is 29, which is quite high for a SEC intra-conference play.
Quote from: stjaba on September 18, 2009, 10:55:50 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
Expect Florida to try their best tomorrow to hit the 80 point mark with the score in The Swamp. There will be more Volunteer corpses on the field not seen since Chickamauga.
I'd like that, but UT's defense is actually pretty decent. The other possible reason I don't see Urban trying to run up the score too much is that he is friends with Papa Kiffin, UT's defensive coordinator. Still, the line is 29, which is quite high for a SEC intra-conference play.
I think BaBy Kiffin has done enough this off-season for Urban to forget his friendship with Papa for a few hours.
Ohio State might go to a spread option like the one they did when Troy Smith was there. Which will either be highly productive or highly amusing.
Line for Arizona-Iowa is Iowa by 6. That is probably about right, especially since it looks like Rob Gronkowski will not be playing. In fact, the rumors are that he is not going to play at all this year. :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2009, 07:05:03 AM
Ohio State might go to a spread option like the one they did when Troy Smith was there. Which will either be highly productive or highly amusing.
I fully expect Tressel to decide the most conservative, and therefore best, thing to do is punt on 3rd downs now. I wonder who got all of his enthusiasm and experimentation, that weird chubby Wyomingite coaching Texas Tech?
Quote from: PDH on September 19, 2009, 08:28:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2009, 07:05:03 AM
Ohio State might go to a spread option like the one they did when Troy Smith was there. Which will either be highly productive or highly amusing.
I fully expect Tressel to decide the most conservative, and therefore best, thing to do is punt on 3rd downs now. I wonder who got all of his enthusiasm and experimentation, that weird chubby Wyomingite coaching Texas Tech?
He wears the
Sweater vest of conservative play calling +5, with Michigan slaying ability.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2009, 07:05:03 AM
Ohio State might go to a spread option like the one they did when Troy Smith was there. Which will either be highly productive or highly amusing.
They have to do something, Pryor will never be a great quarterback, but if they open the offense up and let him run more aggressively and make more chances he can be an elite college player.
Frankly, I hope they don't. I'd rather see tOSU play Big Ten football and go 9-3 than start playing scrub school ball and go 11-1.
Minnesota's new stadium looks pretty nice. It was also loud as hell earlier when they tied it up, etc, but not so much anymore.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 19, 2009, 02:06:35 PM
Frankly, I hope they don't. I'd rather see tOSU play Big Ten football and go 9-3 than start playing scrub school ball and go 11-1.
Well then they need to stop getting personel who are shitty at Big Ten football and are ideal for scrub school ball like Pryor.
Aaaannd...Oregon, almost unbelievably, reaches new lows with this weeks uniform. :bleeding: It's like there's a guy in a room somewhere at Nike seeing just how far he can take things before someone tells him no.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 19, 2009, 02:34:07 PM
Aaaannd...Oregon, almost unbelievably, reaches new lows with this weeks uniform. :bleeding: It's like there's a guy in a room somewhere at Nike seeing just how far he can take things before someone tells him no.
These are pretty bad. Nice punt return though.
Quote from: sbr on September 19, 2009, 02:45:15 PM
These are pretty bad. Nice punt return though.
Yeah that was.
Bleh. Huskers and Hokies game is blacked out or something. I had it all planned out too. Florida - Tennessee and Nebraska - VaTech on the main TV using some new thing DirecTV did to my DVR (some sort of last channel thing that lets you pause and rewind and such both channels, etc), then Oregon - Utah, Arizona - Iowa, and Washington - USC on ESPN360.
But no. ITS ALL RUINED NOW
Edit: Whoa they just took the "blacked out" tag off of it, switched from SC - UW, and it's on. I should bitch about such things more often. I wonder why they suddenly decided to start showing the game ~10 minutes into the first quarter.
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2009, 02:17:02 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 19, 2009, 02:06:35 PM
Frankly, I hope they don't. I'd rather see tOSU play Big Ten football and go 9-3 than start playing scrub school ball and go 11-1.
Well then they need to stop getting personel who are shitty at Big Ten football and are ideal for scrub school ball like Pryor.
Can't argue.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 19, 2009, 02:06:35 PM
Frankly, I hope they don't. I'd rather see tOSU play Big Ten football and go 9-3 than start playing scrub school ball and go 11-1.
Well, they didn't go back to the old 2005 playbooks today.
Pryor at least looked alright, especially throwing to
Johnny Knoxville Dane Sanzenbacker.
Awesome avatar MB :lol:
I loved that movie as a kid but Furries have ruined it for me know. :(
Wow, Arizona looks like utter shit. At least their offense does.
Quote from: Berkut on September 19, 2009, 05:26:59 PM
Wow, Arizona looks like utter shit. At least their offense does.
Announcers mentioned Arizona came into the game #5 in the nation in rushing. What kind of competition did they put up those numbers against, because they really do look like shit.
Wyoming is shit. SHIT SHIT SHIT
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Washington knocks off the fightin' Timmies of USC :lol:
The annual USC choke came early this year.
And meanwhile oh yeah Florida sure was dominating against Tennessee. I am just glad Meyer took his foot off the gas or it could have been 30-13!
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2009, 06:07:44 PM
Washington knocks off the fightin' Timmies of USC :lol:
The annual USC choke came early this year.
Why couldn't they done it a week earlier? :cry:
Well, some things are predictable. Michigan State choked for the second week in a row, and Maryland lost to Middle Tennessee State for the second year in a row.
Quote from: PDH on September 19, 2009, 05:59:34 PM
Wyoming is shit. SHIT SHIT SHIT
Wyoming's offense is just sad right now. :(
Patience my friend once they get the spread running you will be fine.
Did Brutus Buckeye throw Mark May on a pinball machine and rape him? Dude has some unresolved anger issues.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2009, 06:14:24 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 19, 2009, 06:07:44 PM
Washington knocks off the fightin' Timmies of USC :lol:
The annual USC choke came early this year.
Why couldn't they done it a week earlier? :cry:
That would've happened if OSU moved to the Pac10 and became totally unranked.
Too. Fucking. Funny.
Horns' no huddle and Raiders' no huddle are trading 3 and outs so far.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 19, 2009, 08:01:56 PM
Horns' no huddle and Raiders' no huddle are trading 3 and outs so far.
Totally boring game.
Georgia-Arkansas is much funner.
I guess Jesus didn't come through for the Trojans this week. :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2009, 08:17:20 PM
Totally boring game.
Georgia-Arkansas is much funner.
I'm going to hold out for the chaps and g-strings.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 19, 2009, 08:20:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2009, 08:17:20 PM
Totally boring game.
Georgia-Arkansas is much funner.
I'm going to hold out for the chaps and g-strings.
here, stare at this lass from a Clemson game.
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Enjoy!
http://poonsec.blogspot.com/
NSFW!
UDub is 2-1 :o :unsure:
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I'd make her squeal like a piggy.
Go Hogs!
:w00t: Go Dawgs!
:punk:
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2009, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 19, 2009, 08:01:56 PM
Horns' no huddle and Raiders' no huddle are trading 3 and outs so far.
Totally boring game.
Georgia-Arkansas is much funner.
Says the Big 10 guy :P
What 34-24 too few points for you?
I am loving the whole new defending the pass and running the ball thing Texas has going so far. :punk:
Terps ver. 2009 are walking abortions.
Pitt sunk the Navy. Dion Lewis rushed 79 yds (319 in 3 games) out of the Panthers' 126. :)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 20, 2009, 06:25:57 AM
Terps ver. 2009 are walking abortions.
God, that would be something to aspire to be...
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2009, 06:48:35 PM
Did Brutus Buckeye throw Mark May on a pinball machine and rape him? Dude has some unresolved anger issues.
What was he angry about?
:lol:
Udub is #24 in new writers poll.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 20, 2009, 02:43:44 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2009, 06:48:35 PM
Did Brutus Buckeye throw Mark May on a pinball machine and rape him? Dude has some unresolved anger issues.
What was he angry about?
Dude just dislikes Ohio State, and it shows on air.
Nothing unreasonable that stands out.
AP rankings
QuoteRK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida (55) 3-0 1488
2 Texas (2) 3-0 1428
3 Alabama (3) 3-0 1390
4 Mississippi 2-0 1213
5 Penn State 3-0 1212
6 California 3-0 1169
7 LSU 3-0 1120
8 Boise State 3-0 1038
9 Miami (FL) 2-0 920
10 Oklahoma 2-1 862
11 Virginia Tech 2-1 852
12 USC 2-1 825
13 Ohio State 2-1 810
14 Cincinnati 3-0 739
15 TCU 2-0 674
16 Oklahoma State 2-1 478
17 Houston 2-0 455
18 Florida State 2-1 363
19 Brigham Young 2-1 349
20 Kansas 3-0 347
21 Georgia 2-1 318
22 North Carolina 3-0 271
23 Michigan 3-0 247
24 Washington 2-1 194
25 Nebraska 2-1 132
* Dropped from rankings: Georgia Tech 14, Utah 18
* Others receiving votes: Missouri 115, Georgia Tech 102, Auburn 100, Pittsburgh 91, UCLA 62, Iowa 39, Oregon 30, Texas Tech 19, Notre Dame 16, Utah 12, Clemson 11, Colorado State 4, Oregon State 4, South Florida 1
Coaches ranking
Quote1 Florida (59) 3-0 1475
2 Texas 3-0 1412
3 Alabama 3-0 1355
4 Penn State 3-0 1274
5 Mississippi 2-0 1182
6 California 3-0 1149
7 LSU 3-0 1122
8 Boise State 3-0 976
9 Oklahoma 2-1 917
10 USC 2-1 905
11 Ohio State 2-1 900
12 Virginia Tech 2-1 853
13 Miami (FL) 2-0 724
14 TCU 2-0 701
15 Cincinnati 3-0 580
16 Oklahoma State 2-1 576
17 Georgia 2-1 457
18 North Carolina 3-0 445
19 Kansas 3-0 381
20 Brigham Young 2-1 279
21 Missouri 3-0 214
22 Michigan 3-0 205
23 Houston 2-0 160
24 Nebraska 2-1 158
25 Florida State 2-1 154
* Dropped from rankings: Georgia Tech 13, Utah 16, OREGONST 24
* Others receiving votes: Georgia Tech 148, Pittsburgh 68, Utah 63, Auburn 62, Iowa 58, Washington 42, Notre Dame 38, UCLA 38, Oregon 34, Texas Tech 22, Kentucky 16, South Florida 12, South Carolina 7, Oregon State 6, Colorado State 4, Wisconsin 2, Minnesota 1,
Quote from: katmai on September 20, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
:lol:
Udub is #24 in new writers poll.
Don't they deserve it Kat?
Quote from: Valmy on September 20, 2009, 05:43:18 PM
Quote from: katmai on September 20, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
:lol:
Udub is #24 in new writers poll.
Don't they deserve it Kat?
WIth wins over Idaho and USC and a closer than expected loss to LSU, maybe.
More it's just the fact this time two weeks ago they had the longest active losing streak in D1 :P
Quote from: katmai on September 20, 2009, 05:44:07 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 20, 2009, 05:43:18 PM
Quote from: katmai on September 20, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
:lol:
Udub is #24 in new writers poll.
Don't they deserve it Kat?
WIth wins over Idaho and USC and a closer than expected loss to LSU, maybe.
More it's just the fact this time two weeks ago they had the longest active losing streak in D1 :P
Don't worry, Locker in incapable of playing more than 5 games in a year, they will end up back where they belong. ;)
Quote from: sbr on September 20, 2009, 06:23:09 PM
Don't worry, Locker in incapable of playing more than 5 games in a year, they will end up back where they belong. ;)
What a dumb thing to say, but what i'd expect from someone from Oregon.
Quote from: katmai on September 20, 2009, 07:07:50 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 20, 2009, 06:23:09 PM
Don't worry, Locker in incapable of playing more than 5 games in a year, they will end up back where they belong. ;)
What a dumb thing to say, but what i'd expect from someone from Oregon.
Which part is dumb, that Locker can't stay healthy or that the Huskies belong at the bottom of the Pac-10? :P
Quote from: sbr on September 20, 2009, 07:25:12 PM
Which part is dumb, that Locker can't stay healthy or that the Huskies belong at the bottom of the Pac-10? :P
Well considering he played in all 12 games his RS Frosh year, to say he can't stay healthy is pretty clueless, yeah he got hurt 4 games into last season, but he doesn't have a pattern of being oft-injured (the being carried off OSU field in '07 doesn't count as he came back and played in next game)
Records since Oregon joined Pac-10 :yeah:
Quote
Win% W L T
Washington 0.565 189 145 4
Oregon 0.454 147 177 2
Quote from: katmai on September 20, 2009, 07:37:00 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 20, 2009, 07:25:12 PM
Which part is dumb, that Locker can't stay healthy or that the Huskies belong at the bottom of the Pac-10? :P
Well considering he played in all 12 games his RS Frosh year, to say he can't stay healthy is pretty clueless, yeah he got hurt 4 games into last season, but he doesn't have a pattern of being oft-injured (the being carried off OSU field in '07 doesn't count as he came back and played in next game)
I thought he had missed more games than that. :Embarrass:
I was watching the OSU games when he got carted off, I must be remembering that but not that he was back so soon.
QuoteRecords since Oregon joined Pac-10 :yeah:
Quote
Win% W L T
Washington 0.565 189 145 4
Oregon 0.454 147 177 2
Living in the past. If you take away their one most successful coach they really haven't done that much. :P
Forget that that one coach is one of the best ever and dominated the conference for 20 years.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 20, 2009, 02:47:52 PM
Dude just dislikes Ohio State, and it shows on air.
It's pathological. The man is a complete tool.
Ole Miss remains ranked, three weeks into the season. Thank god.
Quote from: Scipio on September 21, 2009, 07:06:14 AM
Ole Miss remains ranked, three weeks into the season. Thank god.
Yeah I bet you were up nights worried about Memphis and Southeastern Louisiana.
Fortunately you got the easy part of the schedule now with South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Alabama.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 21, 2009, 02:47:05 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 20, 2009, 02:47:52 PM
Dude just dislikes Ohio State, and it shows on air.
It's pathological. The man is a complete tool.
I liked the banner from College Game Day in columbus:
MARK MAY WAS DROPPED ON HIS HEAD AS A CHILD
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2009, 07:45:40 AM
MARK MAY WAS DROPPED ON HIS HEAD AS A CHILD
Mark May is a great man :mad:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redskinscardmuseum.com%2Fwpimages%2F1989-Score-116-May-F.jpg&hash=c3c4e48d0f93dd8ccedf7a7cbe6a1807cd76cca2)
The following teams are still undefeated:
California
Iowa
Arizona State
LSU
Alabama
Wisconsin
UCLA
Miami
Auburn
Indiana
Penn State
Michigan
Kansas
Texas
Kentucky
South Florida
Pittsburgh
North Carolina
Mississippi
Missouri
Florida
Cincinnati
Texas A&M
Hawaii
TCU
Houston
Southern Mississippi
Boise State
Colorado State
Quote from: Valmy on September 21, 2009, 08:05:27 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2009, 07:45:40 AM
MARK MAY WAS DROPPED ON HIS HEAD AS A CHILD
Mark May is a great man :mad:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redskinscardmuseum.com%2Fwpimages%2F1989-Score-116-May-F.jpg&hash=c3c4e48d0f93dd8ccedf7a7cbe6a1807cd76cca2)
Fuck him and fuck you, Snyder knob gobbler.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2009, 03:48:32 PM
Fuck him and fuck you, Snyder knob gobbler.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnationalsportsreview.com%2Fsports%2Fus%2FNateArchambault%2Ffiles%2F2009%2F04%2Fsnyder.jpg&hash=e6ab376fce9b7ea9406baf29603af0ab54c635f7)
:worthy:
Quote from: Valmy on September 21, 2009, 08:08:45 AM
The following teams are still undefeated:
Indiana
Nice defense, but watching that pistol offense still looks weird live.
Totally Awesome:
http://deadspin.com/5364207/chris-fowler-feels-clemson-fans-pain-not-really
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2009, 05:58:49 PM
Totally Awesome:
http://deadspin.com/5364207/chris-fowler-feels-clemson-fans-pain-not-really
I think I know that kid. :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 21, 2009, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2009, 05:58:49 PM
Totally Awesome:
http://deadspin.com/5364207/chris-fowler-feels-clemson-fans-pain-not-really
I think I know that kid. :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
His tears: delicious
Everyone knows the proper way to show the pain is to go to the web board and demand every coach be fired.
Quote from: PDH on September 21, 2009, 06:37:06 PM
Everyone knows the proper way to show the pain is to go to the web board and demand every coach be fired.
That is the buckeye way. And make death threats against the receiver/TE that drops the ball in the end zone.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2009, 06:32:46 PM
His tears: delicious
Too bad they lost, even if it produced this masterpiece of video. I root for the Tigers.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 21, 2009, 06:41:14 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2009, 06:32:46 PM
His tears: delicious
Too bad they lost, even if it produced this masterpiece of video. I root for the Tigers.
My condolences.
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 21, 2009, 06:41:14 PM
Too bad they lost, even if it produced this masterpiece of video. I root for the Tigers.
Remember 1981? That was awesome.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 21, 2009, 06:39:47 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 21, 2009, 06:37:06 PM
Everyone knows the proper way to show the pain is to go to the web board and demand every coach be fired.
That is the buckeye way. And make death threats against the receiver/TE that drops the ball in the end zone.
Hamby still gets teh hate.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 21, 2009, 07:09:02 PM
Hamby still gets teh hate.
Didn't the later defeat to Penn State sorta render that drop meaningless?
Quote from: Valmy on September 21, 2009, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 21, 2009, 07:09:02 PM
Hamby still gets teh hate.
Didn't the later defeat to Penn State sorta render that drop meaningless?
Our fans are not rational or well-behaved.
Try this one:
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/30685/ohio_state_fans_finally_hate_someone_more_than_ryan_hamby
Avg Buckeye IQ = 84 :lol:
Bill in Sinton on the mighty UTEP Miners:
QuoteThis is one game we must be careful. Remember we just had one tough one with a North Texas School and now one from West Texas is coming. We must stay focused and continue to support our Horns! Those in Austin know what to do. I have already started to fly my UT auto flag to help with the synergy. We must be careful because UTEP just beat a good New Mexico State team and are now getting their act together. We must keep pressing on in our support. Remember - one game at a time. Don't get discouraged. If we play well we can win this game.
I am suiting up and bringing the pain on Saturday.
Quote from: Valmy on September 22, 2009, 10:33:12 AM
Bill in Sinton on the mighty UTEP Miners:
QuoteThis is one game we must be careful. Remember we just had one tough one with a North Texas School and now one from West Texas is coming. We must stay focused and continue to support our Horns! Those in Austin know what to do. I have already started to fly my UT auto flag to help with the synergy. We must be careful because UTEP just beat a good New Mexico State team and are now getting their act together. We must keep pressing on in our support. Remember - one game at a time. Don't get discouraged. If we play well we can win this game.
I am suiting up and bringing the pain on Saturday.
Auto flag? lamer.
I HAVE AN INFLATABLE BRUTUS AND RED SWEATER VEST(IT WAS A GIFT). MY MOJO IS STRONG
Describing New Mexico State as a good team was impressive even for him.
Somebody should invite Bill to Languish. :lol:
Bill's synergy is an inspiration to us all.
I got 2 free tickets to AU/Ball this weekend, will take my son, at least we should win that one too, I don't want to take him to a game later in the season when things are not looking so good. ;)
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 22, 2009, 01:07:59 PM
I got 2 free tickets to AU/Ball this weekend, will take my son, at least we should win that one too, I don't want to take him to a game later in the season when things are not looking so good. ;)
Ball state went to hell. Watching them rape IU was hilarious. Except when that ball State WR got paralyzed.
Spartans travel to Wisconsin this weekend. I'm looking for something good to come out of this game.
Wyoming has not scored an offensive touchdown in 2 games. The JC quarterback has frozen and become useless...so now Wyoming is starting a true freshman in the spread.
Valmster...it is going to be a long season of despair...
Arizona is switching up QBs this weekend as well. We ahven't won at OSU in years and years though.
Quote from: PDH on September 24, 2009, 09:24:41 AM
Wyoming has not scored an offensive touchdown in 2 games. The JC quarterback has frozen and become useless...so now Wyoming is starting a true freshman in the spread.
Valmster...it is going to be a long season of despair...
Maybe things will be better this week at home.
Security has tightened up at the Big House in Ann Arbor. No purses, backpacks, fanny packs or other bags will be allowed in. Officials say they are not responding to any specific threat, but merely being cautious.
Hmmmm.....
Quote from: Valmy on September 24, 2009, 09:37:26 AM
Maybe things will be better this week at home.
Changed kickers to a walk-on too...
No chance of a turn around until the Duel gets his shot, I am afraid...
Quote from: charliebear on September 24, 2009, 09:39:08 AM
Security has tightened up at the Big House in Ann Arbor. No purses, backpacks, fanny packs or other bags will be allowed in. Officials say they are not responding to any specific threat, but merely being cautious.
Hmmmm.....
A security alert went out to all sports events nationwide.
Wyoming will be on alert for fans showing up.
Quote from: PDH on September 24, 2009, 09:42:38 AM
No chance of a turn around until the Duel gets his shot, I am afraid...
His brilliant bench standing is the sort of athletic brilliance that team needs to turn it around.
Maybe the defense just needs to learn how to score.
Quote from: PDH on September 24, 2009, 09:43:25 AM
Wyoming will be on alert for fans showing up.
METH!
Quote from: PDH on September 24, 2009, 09:42:38 AM
Changed kickers to a walk-on too...
Dusty Mangum, hero, was a walk on kicker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU3ofrr8Jio (~2:40)
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 24, 2009, 09:44:30 AM
Quote from: PDH on September 24, 2009, 09:43:25 AM
Wyoming will be on alert for fans showing up.
METH!
See, that brings 'em in, but when the team is awful they just go outside of town to the trailor park for their fix...Wyoming is THAT BAD.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 24, 2009, 09:45:43 AM
Dusty Mangum, hero, was a walk on kicker:
I am not sure if Wyoming's walk-on kicker has two legs...we should recruit those Colorado girl-kickers...
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 24, 2009, 09:45:43 AM
Dusty Mangum, hero, was a walk on kicker
The only reason for that was that Mack was experimenting with not offering scholarships to kickers and relying entirely on competition between walk ons.
Quote from: Valmy on September 24, 2009, 09:47:58 AM
The only reason for that was that Mack was experimenting with not offering scholarships to kickers and relying entirely on competition between walk ons.
Yeah we saw how that worked out after Dusty left. :lol:
But hey, you never know.
Edit: What was it...the Nebraska game where that guy kept missing FGs, got replaced during the game, and finally convinced Mack to give a scholarship to the kid from Boerne? I think I remember it being snowy and the Horns playing a red team.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 24, 2009, 09:49:18 AM
Edit: What was it...the Nebraska game where that guy kept missing FGs, got replaced during the game, and finally convinced Mack to give a scholarship to the kid from Boerne?
Well it was the 2006 season no doubt, but that specific game does stand out.
It would have been nice if losing Mason Crosby to Colorado had been enough but noooo.
Here is this weeks bottom 10:
Quote1. Western Kentucky 0-3 "Buck up, little camper, we'll beat that slope together." The winless Hilltoppers face a bumpy course in 2009, but the Bottom 10 will be along for the ride.
2. Miami (Ohio) 0-3 "I think it's in my best interest if I went out with someone more popular." Since the RedHawks finally scored last week, the Bottom 10 turned its crush to WKU.
3. Ball State 0-3 "This isn't funny, Charles! If I don't have a dream, I have nothing." The Cardinals can dream, but the Bottom 10 reality is that passing WKU or Miami is unlikely.
4. New Mexico 0-3 "Man, you're the hottest thing since sunburns!" If the Lobos can't beat New Mexico State at home Saturday, they will be an even hotter Bottom 10 team.
5. Lane Meyer 0-2 "You would do well to do as mother says, Lane Meyer." If Lane Kiffin and Urban Meyer can't say anything nice, they shouldn't say anything at all. Looks like they're headed back to the SEC principal's office.
6. Rice 0-3 "Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn." Sounds like something the Owls have heard. Rice's defense is last in the nation in scoring defense.
7. Temple 0-2 "I want my two dollars!" The Owls will get that and much more from Penn State after traveling to Happy Valley and losing 31-6 to the Nittany Lions.
8. Eastern Michigan 0-3 "Friends ... You know, friends." For a short time, it looked good for the Eagles in Ann Arbor, but neighboring Michigan didn't end up treating them like a friend.
9. Virginia 0-3 "Truly a sight to behold. A man beaten. The once-great champ, now a study in moppishness." But with IU and Duke next, there could be hope for the Cavs.
10. F_U 0-4 "Well, you'll make a fine little helper. What's your name?" There's nothing the Bottom 10 likes more than a reunion of Florida Atlantic and Florida International.
What's up with the fights in Kansas? :huh:
OK, updated records in non-conference games through week 3, same format as before:
ACC 15-11; 9-8; 3-6; 2-4
Big East 16-5; 9-4; 3-5; 0-2
Big 10 23-9; 17-7; 5-6; 1-3
Big 12 23-9; 17-9; 4-6; 1-2
Pac 10 19-6; 15-6; 7-4; 2-3
SEC 19-2; 15-2; 5-2; 1-1
CUSA 13-13; 6-13; 2-9; 1-5
MAC 11-24; 5-23; 3-17; 0-6
MWC 14-10; 8-12; 3-8; 1-1
SB 8-16; 5-15; 2-12; 0-5
WAC 8-13; 4-12; 2-7; 1-7
Bonus: 1-A teams that lost to 1-AA opponents: Temple (MAC), Virginia (ACC), Duke (ACC), Ball State (MAC), Western Kentucky (SB).
Again, if anyone sees anything I've gotten wrong, let me know and I'll correct it.
I just found out the Alamo Bowl is changing in 2010 to take the #2 Pac-10 and the #2 Big 12 teams instead of the #4 or 5 Big 10 and #5 Big 12. I hope tickets don't suddenly become really hard to get.
Dear Hod, the castrato commentator at the Indiana - Michigan game is insufferable to listen to. :bleeding:
Syt discovers Pam Ward?
Quote from: Syt on September 26, 2009, 12:32:05 PM
Dear Hod, the castrato commentator at the Indiana - Michigan game is insufferable to listen to. :bleeding:
Yeah, but it's such a fun game.
Quote from: PDH on September 26, 2009, 12:54:42 PM
Syt discovers Pam Ward?
Indeed I do. Judging by the voice I thought it was a very effimnate man. :blush:
P.S.: Seeing a visual of her I still find it hard to make the distinction.
I'm headed to the AU-Ball game. :wareagle: We have ponchos. :rain:
Thank god for ESPN 360.com.
Except: Fuck these dream commercials. :bleeding:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2009, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 26, 2009, 12:32:05 PM
Dear Hod, the castrato commentator at the Indiana - Michigan game is insufferable to listen to. :bleeding:
Yeah, but it's such a fun game.
Tate Forcier needs to learn to eat the ball or throw it to the 5th row.
MOTHERFUCKER PRYOR.
Looks like Indiana got hosed in Da Big Haus by the instant replay officials.
As the game announcer said, "justice was not served on that one".
The Ducks went retro with their uniforms, and are acting like they belong on the same field as Cal.
I was prepared for a loss before the game started, this is just going to make it harder when they fuck something up later.
MOTHERFUCKER RAY SMALL.
MOTHERFUCKER CHEKWA.
25-3 at the half. :punk:
Someone at UTEP did something to piss Mack Brown off or something because Texas is throwing the ball up 47-7 with 17 seconds left in the first half and calling timeouts after the plays.
Edit: And now they're trying a 54 yard FG to close the half out. E2: Wow hit the crossbar and bounced out.
Wyoming starts 6 freshmen, including a true freshman at QB. Playing the mediocre UNLV Rebels, Wyoming eeks out a win 30-27. Notable here is UWyo's first offensive TDs in 3 games...
The long season continues, but this feels ok now.
No word on Duel's bench standing, Valmy.
Quote from: PDH on September 26, 2009, 05:03:42 PM
Wyoming starts 6 freshmen, including a true freshman at QB. Playing the mediocre UNLV Rebels, Wyoming eeks out a win 30-27. Notable here is UWyo's first offensive TDs in 3 games...
The long season continues, but this feels ok now.
No word on Duel's bench standing, Valmy.
Corso had UNLV for his upset alert pick.
CORSO KNOWS ALL.
Corso can suck my balls.
Nice little fuck you to Ron Zook from the Senator there at the end.
and the Kurt Coleman comes in like a maniac and headshots the QB. Sheesh.
:lol: The Horns....uh...5th or 6th string running back, whatever they've got in there now, managed to juggle the handoff all the way through the hole (you could the ball kinda flying around between the linemen), run for a good 20 yards, then had the ball knocked out of his hands by the 30th string WR who, instead of blocking, was just kind of hanging out in the way. It rolled into the endzone and UTEP recovered for a touchback.
Edit: The guy they've got running the ball now looks like a fullback or something. The QB that's in now looks like he's maybe 10 years old or so.
Buckeyes could have used that rain a couple weeks ago. :lol:
Was that Jesus Tebow on the ground hurt? :o
Edit: Wow, he has no idea where he is.
The Ducks finally seem to have gotten their ducks in a row on offense, and were much faster than Cal on defense. Too bad Riley sucked so bad for Cal, he is a good local kid.
Quote from: sbr on September 26, 2009, 07:37:05 PM
The Ducks finally seem to have gotten their ducks in a row on offense, and were much faster than Cal on defense. Too bad Riley sucked so bad for Cal, he is a good local kid.
See what happens when you break out the Dan Fouts-Bobby Moore uniforms? There's a lesson in there.
Oh, and once again, the PAC-10 failbots itself with Cal's loss, proving they can't be top 10 teams.
Iowa appears to be able to intercept Clark at will in this quarter.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2009, 09:50:39 PM
Oh, and once again, the PAC-10 failbots itself with Cal's loss, proving they can't be top 10 teams.
Well with Mississippi, Cal, Miami, and now possibly Penn State losing, SC just got put back in the top ten.
edit: Well...assuming USC doesn't lose to Washington State.
This UH - TTU game is awesome.
Edit: Coogs win! :w00t: Fuck Tech.
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 26, 2009, 01:06:56 PM
I'm headed to the AU-Ball game. :wareagle: We have ponchos. :rain:
It was great fun, 54-30, can't believe they let them get 30 points, we'll get killed by the better teams coming up. I'll just enjoy them while I can.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2680127&l=ed78daf654&id=593430919
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 26, 2009, 11:36:17 PM
This UH - TTU game is awesome.
Yeah, that's the great thing about college football season...it starts at 10am with Corso, and winds up at 1:00am with a game like that.
No wonder I never accomplish shit in the fall.
I continue to really like how Texas is progessing. There is a new commitment to the running game, the defense is swarming and the defensive backs are actually catching interceptions, and the passing game is getting back up to last years standards.
Overall the coaches seem like they are actually coaching and the team gets better every week. Most of the crap I saw the first two weeks is being solved. Pity now they get an off week.
Yeah, an early test against a powerhouse like Wyoming really helps focus the season. :D
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 26, 2009, 11:36:17 PM
This UH - TTU game is awesome.
Edit: Coogs win! :w00t: Fuck Tech.
If Leach had not been a moron and just kicked those field goals he could have cashed in on...oh well if he did that he would not be Mike Leach.
Huge win for Houston. They are now entering Conference play and if something bad happens to both Boise State and TCU they could be a BCS buster. Hehe how much would it suck for two of those teams if all three go unbeaten?
Quote from: PDH on September 27, 2009, 05:17:51 PM
Yeah, an early test against a powerhouse like Wyoming really helps focus the season. :D
:blush:
Hey Wyoming is 2-2 now -_-
If TCU goes undefeated they will have done something - sure they get Utah at home, but playing BYU then late in the season coming to Laramie...I shudder at the effect of our Bench-Standing by that point in the season. TCU might as well just not show up.
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:18:53 PM
Hey Wyoming is 2-2 now -_-
Wyoming beat a team (after coming from behind, so that felt good) that has lost 20 road games in a row...still, I will take it. :)
As long as somebody knocks Boise State out of going to a BCS bowl, I'll be happy.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 27, 2009, 05:21:47 PM
As long as somebody knocks Boise State out of going to a BCS bowl, I'll be happy.
indeed
Baylor's star QB is out for the year. So much for their dreams of mediocrity.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 27, 2009, 05:21:47 PM
As long as somebody knocks Boise State out of going to a BCS bowl, I'll be happy.
Here is their remaining schedule:
UC Davis
@ Tulsa
@ Hawaii
San Jose State
@ Louisiana Tech
Idaho
@ Utah State
Nevada
New Mexico State
It seems really unlikely Boise could fuck that up, but here is hoping.
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:26:21 PM
Baylor's star QB is out for the year. So much for their dreams of mediocrity.
That's too bad. That guy is a helluva player.
Their second string guy got hurt in that game too, didn't he?
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 27, 2009, 05:21:47 PM
As long as somebody knocks Boise State out of going to a BCS bowl, I'll be happy.
Fuck that shit. Boise State makes good bowls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBC9t4v8MZ4&feature=related
:P
What I'd like to see is something like last year. They thought they was going to get one, but a more established school (Ahem, Ohio State) knocked them out of it.
Their agony was delicious.
I thought they had to play Tulsa still? Oh well, BSU is still "Trucker U" and they still suck.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 05:31:28 PM
Fuck that shit. Boise State makes good bowls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBC9t4v8MZ4&feature=related
:P
I could watch the highlights of that game all damn day. Still, I hate Boise for their field.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 27, 2009, 05:37:59 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2009, 05:31:28 PM
Fuck that shit. Boise State makes good bowls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBC9t4v8MZ4&feature=related
:P
I could watch the highlights of that game all damn day.
One of the greatest I've ever seen. And I've been watching college ball since the 70s.
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 27, 2009, 05:21:47 PM
As long as somebody knocks Boise State out of going to a BCS bowl, I'll be happy.
Here is their remaining schedule:
UC Davis
@ Tulsa
@ Hawaii
San Jose State
@ Louisiana Tech
Idaho
@ Utah State
Nevada
New Mexico State
It seems really unlikely Boise could fuck that up, but here is hoping.
Oregon is making that win by Boise look good too.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 27, 2009, 05:39:42 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 27, 2009, 05:21:47 PM
As long as somebody knocks Boise State out of going to a BCS bowl, I'll be happy.
Here is their remaining schedule:
UC Davis
@ Tulsa
@ Hawaii
San Jose State
@ Louisiana Tech
Idaho
@ Utah State
Nevada
New Mexico State
It seems really unlikely Boise could fuck that up, but here is hoping.
Oregon is making that win by Boise look good too.
I think it is pretty clear the Ducks just shit the bed in that one, the Broncos are no where near that good and the Ducks, obviously, are much better than they played than night.
AP rankings
A couple of more people voted Alabama #1 ^_^
South Florida should be ranked.
QuoteAP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida (55) 4-0 1490
2 Texas (1) 4-0 1420
3 Alabama (4) 4-0 1400
4 LSU 4-0 1225
5 Boise State 4-0 1203
6 Virginia Tech 3-1 1190
7 USC 3-1 998
8 Oklahoma 2-1 979
9 Ohio State 3-1 957
10 Cincinnati 4-0 946
11 TCU 3-0 896
12 Houston 3-0 844
13 Iowa 4-0 788
14 Oklahoma State 3-1 591
15 Penn State 3-1 470
16 Oregon 3-1 462
17 Miami (FL) 2-1 452
18 Kansas 4-0 418
18 Georgia 3-1 418
20 Brigham Young 3-1 349
21 Mississippi 2-1 340
22 Michigan 4-0 271
23 Nebraska 3-1 256
24 California 3-1 206
25 Georgia Tech 3-1 185
* Dropped from rankings: Florida State 18, North Carolina 22
* Others receiving votes: Missouri 175, Auburn 171, South Carolina 154, South Florida 145, UCLA 41, Utah 25, Wisconsin 20, Notre Dame 7, Arizona State 4, Stanford 2, North Carolina 2,
QuoteUSA Today Poll
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida (58) 4-0 1474
2 Texas (1) 4-0 1410
3 Alabama 4-0 1364
4 LSU 4-0 1226
5 Boise State 4-0 1144
6 Virginia Tech 3-1 1091
7 USC 3-1 1081
8 Oklahoma 2-1 1055
9 Ohio State 3-1 1036
10 TCU 3-0 928
11 Cincinnati 4-0 848
12 Oklahoma State 3-1 665
13 Penn State 3-1 627
14 Georgia 3-1 616
15 Houston 3-0 539
16 Kansas 4-0 508
17 Iowa 4-0 462
18 Mississippi 2-1 424
19 California 3-1 356
20 Michigan 4-0 304
21 Miami (FL) 2-1 298
21 Brigham Young 3-1 298
23 Missouri 4-0 295
24 Nebraska 3-1 242
25 Oregon 3-1 198
* Dropped from rankings: North Carolina 18, Florida State 25
* Others receiving votes: Georgia Tech 186, South Florida 117, Auburn 103, South Carolina 92, Wisconsin 53, Utah 40, UCLA 27, Notre Dame 23, Stanford 20, North Carolina State 8, North Carolina 7, Florida State 4, Minnesota 2, Arizona 2, Rutgers 1, Texas A&M 1
It hardly matters from my perspective who among Florida, Texas, Alabama, and LSU is ranked #1 at this point. Only one of the SEC teams can emerge unscathed and if Texas loses it is all but over thanks to their crap OOC schedule anyway.
The ranks of the unbeaten after this week:
Alabama
Auburn
Boise State
Cincinnati
Florida
Houston
Iowa
Kansas
LSU
Michigan
Missouri
South Florida
TCU
Texas
Texas A&M
UCLA
Wisconsin
Ohio State's major upcoming OOC opponents:
'10-'11 The U
'12-'13 Cal
'14-'15 VT
'16-'17 Oklahoma
'18-'19 Tenn.
No SEC until 2018. :lol:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 27, 2009, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 27, 2009, 05:47:15 PM
Texas A&M 1
:mad: They must be destroyed.
The next two games against Arkansas and Oklahoma State should finish them off.
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 06:03:30 PM
The next two games against Arkansas and Oklahoma State should finish them off.
Oh yeah, forgot about the game vs. the Pigs in Jerrah's new abomination.
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:15:06 PM
I continue to really like how Texas is progessing. There is a new commitment to the running game, the defense is swarming and the defensive backs are actually catching interceptions, and the passing game is getting back up to last years standards.
Overall the coaches seem like they are actually coaching and the team gets better every week. Most of the crap I saw the first two weeks is being solved. Pity now they get an off week.
Problem is that at the end of the day you are still rooting for Texas though.
I mean, really. Texas?
Suddenly the loss to Iowa is not looking all that bad anymore...
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2009, 07:06:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:15:06 PM
I continue to really like how Texas is progessing. There is a new commitment to the running game, the defense is swarming and the defensive backs are actually catching interceptions, and the passing game is getting back up to last years standards.
Overall the coaches seem like they are actually coaching and the team gets better every week. Most of the crap I saw the first two weeks is being solved. Pity now they get an off week.
Problem is that at the end of the day you are still rooting for Texas though.
I mean, really. Texas?
He is going to, and works for, the University of Texas. He has as much right to cheer for the Longhorns as anyone, and more than most of their fans.
Quote from: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 07:08:09 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2009, 07:06:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:15:06 PM
I continue to really like how Texas is progessing. There is a new commitment to the running game, the defense is swarming and the defensive backs are actually catching interceptions, and the passing game is getting back up to last years standards.
Overall the coaches seem like they are actually coaching and the team gets better every week. Most of the crap I saw the first two weeks is being solved. Pity now they get an off week.
Problem is that at the end of the day you are still rooting for Texas though.
I mean, really. Texas?
He is going to, and works for, the University of Texas. He has as much right to cheer for the Longhorns as anyone, and more than most of their fans.
Fair enough, but it is still Texas. Might as well root for Dallas, or the Yankees.
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2009, 07:16:17 PM
Fair enough, but it is still Texas. Might as well root for Dallas, or the Yankees.
:unsure: Do the Longhorns have a significant bandwagon fan base outside of Texas like the Yankees and 'Girls?
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2009, 07:16:17 PM
Fair enough, but it is still Texas. Might as well root for Dallas, or the Yankees.
If you live in a town, or went to the school, I'll give you a pass for liking even a bandwagon team. Thus Minsky gets a pass for liking the Yankees. But my father, who lives in Winnipeg, Manitoba, does not. :angry:
Real men root for Wyoming. Or, if they can't be that real, Arizona.
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 27, 2009, 05:21:47 PM
As long as somebody knocks Boise State out of going to a BCS bowl, I'll be happy.
Here is their remaining schedule:
UC Davis
@ Tulsa
@ Hawaii
San Jose State
@ Louisiana Tech
Idaho
@ Utah State
Nevada
New Mexico State
It seems really unlikely Boise could fuck that up, but here is hoping.
Boise really needs to join the MWC.
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2009, 07:16:17 PM
Fair enough, but it is still Texas. Might as well root for Dallas, or the Yankees.
Say what? Dude Texas has three national championships they are not even remotely anything like the Yankees or the Cowgirls. If my school is going to be hated for winning you should at least wait until they, you know, have won enough to deserve it. Hate Oklahoma or USC or Alabama or somebody who actually is somewhat comparable to the Yankees.
Well ok Texas claims 1963, 1969, 1970, and 2005 but I personally think the 1970 one is a bunch of crap. Either Nebraska or Arizona State were the real champions that year.
The weird thing about Texas is the sheer volume of merch they have out there. I mean, I could be traveling in Seattle, or Ohio or whatever, and there's always a decent chance to see somebody wearing Texas branded merchandise. So in that sense, they are like the Yankees kinda. I like Texas though. They generally have good fans. I don't know why it's a fad to wear an orange ball cap with a T on it.
Edit: Other than the fact that they were the David who beat the USC Goliath in 2005. Maybe they have more fans in the Pac-10 area because of that.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 27, 2009, 11:17:51 PM
Edit: Other than the fact that they were the David who beat the USC Goliath in 2005. Maybe they have more fans in the Pac-10 area because of that.
Hopefully it is just because Texas is a huge school with an international alumni base and not just random people bandwagoning on...
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 27, 2009, 11:17:51 PM
Edit: Other than the fact that they were the David who beat the USC Goliath in 2005. Maybe they have more fans in the Pac-10 area because of that.
Hopefully it is just because Texas is a huge school with an international alumni base and not just random people bandwagoning on...
Take a wild guess which that might be....
Texas. :x
Sure - *you* may not be a bandwagon fan, but that doesn't really make it any less revolting to root for them.
Of course, it just speaks to the fanbois arrogance that you are all "Hey, we ONLY have three national championships! I mean five!"
I feel for you, I really do.
QuoteOf course, it just speaks to the fanbois arrogance that you are all "Hey, we ONLY have three national championships! I mean five!"
Yes Notre Dame, Alabama, USC, Michigan, Oklahoma, Minnesota, Pitt, Miami (Fl.), Nebraska, Ohio State, Army, Georgia Tech, Illinois, and Tennessee have all won more than Texas has. Wow how arrogant of me to point that fact out.
QuoteSure - *you* may not be a bandwagon fan, but that doesn't really make it any less revolting to root for them.
:rolleyes: Maybe I should root for Arizona State since my sister went there.
he he. Here at Languish you're only allowed to root for teams that suck and the Ravens.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 28, 2009, 01:27:43 AM
he he. Here at Languish you're only allowed to root for teams that suck and the Ravens.
It builds character!
Valmy is worse than hitler.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2009, 07:39:54 AM
Valmy is worse than hitler.
Hitler rooted for Notre Dame, so not really.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 28, 2009, 07:47:10 AM
It was about time your Texas douchebaggery was exposed. :P
Yeah I have kept it a huge secret the past six years :P
Quote from: charliebear on September 24, 2009, 09:22:17 AM
Spartans travel to Wisconsin this weekend. I'm looking for something good to come out of this game.
Yep, it's going to be a very long season.
Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2009, 07:16:17 PM
Fair enough, but it is still Texas. Might as well root for Dallas, or the Yankees.
That's the baggage of being a non-bandwagon fan of a popular team. I never had to deal with that, myself :D
Quote from: derspiess on September 28, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
That's the baggage of being a non-bandwagon fan of a popular team. I never had to deal with that, myself :D
The real baggage is no longer being able to afford to go to all the games. Sometimes I sort of miss the days Texas was a mediocre .500 program with 20,000 empty seats every Saturday. I could always get great seats for cheap and actually kind of enjoyed those seasons more. Every victory was like a party. 'Wahoo! We beat Rice!'
Someday...SOMEDAY...Wyoming will be a mediocre program, I really hope so!
Quote from: PDH on September 28, 2009, 12:47:32 PM
Someday...SOMEDAY...Wyoming will be a mediocre program, I really hope so!
Don't get your hopes
so high. :P
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 28, 2009, 01:27:43 AM
he he. Here at Languish you're only allowed to root for teams that suck and the Ravens.
Don't make us out your secret Redskins fanboiism.
Quote13 Iowa 4-0 788
:yeah:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2009, 05:48:52 PM
Don't make us out your secret Redskins fanboiism.
If I was a secret Redskins fanboi why would I be protesting your and Neil's tyranny of the underdogs + Ravens?
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2009, 12:28:44 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 28, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
That's the baggage of being a non-bandwagon fan of a popular team. I never had to deal with that, myself :D
The real baggage is no longer being able to afford to go to all the games. Sometimes I sort of miss the days Texas was a mediocre .500 program with 20,000 empty seats every Saturday. I could always get great seats for cheap and actually kind of enjoyed those seasons more. Every victory was like a party. 'Wahoo! We beat Rice!'
:lol: What was it...the early 90's when they kept losing to Baylor (it was 4 out of 5 or 5 out of 6 or something like that)? Tickets were cheap as hell back then, from what I remember.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 28, 2009, 06:10:04 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2009, 05:48:52 PM
Don't make us out your secret Redskins fanboiism.
If I was a secret Redskins fanboi why would I be protesting your and Neil's tyranny of the underdogs + Ravens?
How is that CDM's thing? He roots for Florida and Notre Dame.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 28, 2009, 06:15:44 PM
:lol: What was it...the early 90's when they kept losing to Baylor (it was 4 out of 5 or 5 out of 6 or something like that)? Tickets were cheap as hell back then, from what I remember.
Actually Baylor was considered one of the better teams in the old SWC and that game against them was a serious rivalry. I will never forget that game in 1989 when Baylor just kicked the shit outta Texas 50-7 (in Austin no less) and it wasn't that close. Today heads would roll but back then it was like 'that sucked, oh well better luck next year.'
Quote from: PDH on September 28, 2009, 12:47:32 PM
Someday...SOMEDAY...Wyoming will be a mediocre program, I really hope so!
You can be!
Beat:
Florida Atlantic
New Mexico
San Diego State
Somebody else
Quote from: Valmy on September 29, 2009, 07:46:50 AM
You can be!
Beat:
Florida Atlantic
New Mexico
San Diego State
Somebody else
Having come from behind three times to beat the might UNLV Rebels, I fully expect Wyoming to now fall flat on their faces with the cross country travel to FAU...
Mediocrity is not something achieved in one season, my friend, patience is called for.
Quote from: Valmy on September 29, 2009, 07:42:21 AM
Actually Baylor was considered one of the better teams in the old SWC and that game against them was a serious rivalry. I will never forget that game in 1989 when Baylor just kicked the shit outta Texas 50-7 (in Austin no less) and it wasn't that close. Today heads would roll but back then it was like 'that sucked, oh well better luck next year.'
Yeah I remember that, and I also remember Baylor being considered "pretty good" at some points, but I don't remember it being an "oh well" thing when they lost to the Bears.
Fake edit: So I got bored and looked, and Baylor was 5 - 6 (so was Texas) the year they kicked the shit out of the Horns (1989), and the best they've ever done was the twenty or so years where they went ~.500 against those very inconsistent Longhorn teams (UT went 10-2 in 1990 and beat Baylor, then back to 5-6 and lost vOv), which includes the late 80's-early 90's where they won 4 of 5. Generally, whenever Texas wasn't just bleh, they won.
Real edit: The series is 70-22-5 in favor of UT, with 10 of those Baylor wins coming between 1974 and 1992 (Fred Akers, David McWilliams, and John Mackovic wooo!).
I'm glad I only really caught the tail end of those years (essentially only the McWilliams "era" on, with some vague memories before that) . But it did make it so it was easy for my family to afford tickets. :P
Arizona is #29!
Woot!
Rivalry week starts!
QuoteSpartan: 'Everybody has a hatred for Michigan'
BY SHANNON SHELTON
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER
EAST LANSING — Mark Dantonio didn't have to say much today during Michigan State's weekly news conference concerning the intensity of feelings during Michigan week.
His players did it for him.
"This game is personal, and we need to win it," said sophomore quarterback Kirk Cousins. "And we better win it."
That was one of the milder comments.
When players were asked how they felt about the U-M rivalry, they didn't hold back.
"Before the game last year, Coach D told us that if you haven't played Michigan, within 30 seconds you'll realize why we don't like them," said defensive end Trevor Anderson. "After about 15 seconds, I realized why I didn't like them. Just the total lack of respect that they have for our school in general. Not just the program, but the general lack of respect they have for us."
And from left tackle Rocco Cironi, an Ohio native, when asked if he grew up with a "hatred" for U-M: "Yeah, I think everybody has a hatred for Michigan."
MSU (1-3) hasn't beaten U-M (4-0) in consecutive seasons in 42 years, but has that opportunity this Saturday. The Spartans won three straight against the Wolverines from 1965-67. Since then U-M has put together streaks of eight, six and five wins in a row. U-M had won six straight from 2002-07 before the Spartans broke that string last season in Ann Arbor.
The Spartans, who enter Saturday's game riding a three-game losing streak, haven't beaten the Wolverines in Spartan Stadium since 2001.
"I know this is a very important game," Dantonio said. "I try and deal with the present right now. It's a critical game for us. It always will be, regardless of our record."
One of my coworkers went to the University of Michigan. His daughter, when she was a middle school student, got a "B" in Art. She asked her father "Does this mean I have to go to Michigan State?" :(
HA!
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 29, 2009, 01:48:30 PM
UT went 10-2 in 1990
That year was so awesome. Texas played way over their heads, got everybody fired up, played a real team in the Cotton Bowl and lost 45-3 and that was with Thug U setting every record for unsportsmanlike penalties.
Quote from: sbr on September 27, 2009, 05:46:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 27, 2009, 05:39:42 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2009, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 27, 2009, 05:21:47 PM
As long as somebody knocks Boise State out of going to a BCS bowl, I'll be happy.
Here is their remaining schedule:
UC Davis
@ Tulsa
@ Hawaii
San Jose State
@ Louisiana Tech
Idaho
@ Utah State
Nevada
New Mexico State
It seems really unlikely Boise could fuck that up, but here is hoping.
Oregon is making that win by Boise look good too.
I think it is pretty clear the Ducks just shit the bed in that one, the Broncos are no where near that good and the Ducks, obviously, are much better than they played than night.
All we can do is look at the actual game results, and the Broncos won.
If Oregon goes on to win the Pac 10 it'll make Boise look pretty good.
Quote from: Valmy on September 29, 2009, 08:02:15 PM
That year was so awesome. Texas played way over their heads, got everybody fired up, played a real team in the Cotton Bowl and lost 45-3 and that was with Thug U setting every record for unsportsmanlike penalties.
ESPN calls that "swagger." :rolleyes:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 29, 2009, 08:11:04 PM
All we can do is look at the actual game results, and the Broncos won.
Um...no we are allowed to look at the actual game as well. This is College Football it is just as much a beauty contest as an athletic competition.
Quote from: Savonarola on September 29, 2009, 04:19:05 PM
Rivalry week starts!
And what is funny is that this is a completely one-sided rivalry. Michigan State is pretty much just another game for Michigan. A bit ahead of the Indiana game, because it does involve some smack-talk with neighbors, but a bit behind Minnesota because the Little Brown Jug is such an old and cool trophy (whereas the faux-old and uncool Paul Bunyan's Axe should be retired immediately).
QuoteOne of my coworkers went to the University of Michigan. His daughter, when she was a middle school student, got a "B" in Art. She asked her father "Does this mean I have to go to Michigan State?" :(
A "B" student will get a scholarship to State, and get to take Honors Cow Milking rather then the regular version.
Quote from: grumbler on September 30, 2009, 06:14:09 AM
And what is funny is that this is a completely one-sided rivalry. Michigan State is pretty much just another game for Michigan. A bit ahead of the Indiana game, because it does involve some smack-talk with neighbors, but a bit behind Minnesota because the Little Brown Jug is such an old and cool trophy (whereas the faux-old and uncool Paul Bunyan's Axe should be retired immediately).
To be fair, you talk about Michigan St. WAY more than about Minnesota.
Quote from: Valmy on September 29, 2009, 11:06:34 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 29, 2009, 08:11:04 PM
All we can do is look at the actual game results, and the Broncos won.
Um...no we are allowed to look at the actual game as well. This is College Football it is just as much a beauty contest as an athletic competition.
That's what I meant. The Broncos dominated, the game wasn't as close as the score suggested.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 30, 2009, 08:02:13 AM
That's what I meant. The Broncos dominated, the game wasn't as close as the score suggested.
Well there are subjective things like it being early in the season and so forth also.
Anyway the problem with the Broncos is that their conference is terrible and they do not play anybody the rest of the year. TCU on the other hand plays in the Mountain West. It will be interesting to see what happens if they both go unbeaten (which is all but a forgone conclusion in Boise State's case).
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 30, 2009, 06:43:37 AM
To be fair, you talk about Michigan St. WAY more than about Minnesota.
To be fair this board has Michigan State fans and does not have Minnesota fans.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 30, 2009, 08:02:13 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 29, 2009, 11:06:34 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 29, 2009, 08:11:04 PM
All we can do is look at the actual game results, and the Broncos won.
Um...no we are allowed to look at the actual game as well. This is College Football it is just as much a beauty contest as an athletic competition.
That's what I meant. The Broncos dominated, the game wasn't as close as the score suggested.
The Broncos actually played pretty bad and could have won by a whole lot more the Ducks played so poorly. IIRC the Broncos turned the ball over at least 3 times, don't have time to look now.
Quote from: Valmy on September 30, 2009, 08:28:26 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 30, 2009, 06:43:37 AM
To be fair, you talk about Michigan St. WAY more than about Minnesota.
To be fair this board has Michigan State fans and does not have Minnesota fans.
Yeah but Grumbler will bring the Spartoons up on his own. ;)
Cautiously optimistic:
Arizona Team Statistics (National rank)
Rushing: 223 yds/game (16)
Passing: 189 yds/game (81) However, with Nick Foles coming in last week replacing Matt Scott, he debuted with 157 passing rating, good for 16th in the country.
Total Offense: 412 yds/game (38)
Rushing defense: 94.5 yds/game (21)
Passing defense: 194 yds/game (44)
Total defense: 288 ygds/game (25)
It is still early, but with Nick Foles performance last week, hopes are starting to creep up
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 30, 2009, 06:43:37 AM
To be fair, you talk about Michigan St. WAY more than about Minnesota.
I
very much doubt that you have the slightest clue as to what I talk about most! :lol: I don't believe we have even met, let alone hung out together long enough for you to have a good idea of my relative output of UMinn versus MSU talk.
On
this forum, I talk about MSU more than UMinn because there are no UMinn people here to smack/take smack from, while there
are MSU fans.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 30, 2009, 08:34:39 AM
Yeah but Grumbler will bring the Spartoons up on his own. ;)
When?
I haven't been keeping notes.
Quote from: Savonarola on September 29, 2009, 04:19:05 PM
One of my coworkers went to the University of Michigan. His daughter, when she was a middle school student, got a "B" in Art. She asked her father "Does this mean I have to go to Michigan State?" :(
I cannot believe you said that. Harrumph.
The University of Oregon football program has announced a plan that
could end the season-long suspension of LaGarrette Blount. The very earliest he could play is against Stanford on Nov. 7th, at most he could play in 4 games plus a bowl game.
Unedited video of Chip Kelly's press conference. If you are interested int he story it is pretty good; it is ~22 minutes long but the questions at the end are the best part. Some good thoughts there by Coach Kelly.
http://www.katu.com/home/related/632...?video=YHI&t=a
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-oregon-blount&prov=ap&type=lgns (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-oregon-blount&prov=ap&type=lgns)
QuoteEUGENE, Ore. (AP)—Oregon running back LeGarrette Blount's season-long suspension for punching an opponent could be lifted if he meets certain conditions, coach Chip Kelly said.
"It's not a football decision, it's a human being decision. It's about that individual," Kelly said Friday. "And he's got a lot of things he's got to do."
Blount punched Boise State's Byron Hout in the aftermath of Oregon's 19-8 season-opening loss to the Broncos. The suspension banned him from games, but Blount was allowed to remain on scholarship and practice with the team.
Kelly said he set down academic, behavioral and football-related "ladders" that Blount must achieve for possible reinstatement, but he did not provide specifics. Academics could not be addressed earlier because classes had not started.
Blount signed an agreement outlining the requirements last week.
Should Blount meet the conditions, the earliest he could return to the team is Oregon's Nov. 7 game at Stanford—and there is no guarantee that he would be allowed back at that time, if at all.
"There's a distinct possibility he'll never play football here again," Kelly said. "But the ball is in LeGarrette's court."
Blount could not be reached for comment on Friday. Following his suspension, he was told not to speak to the media.
Kelly said he reached out to sociologist Harry Edwards and former NFL coach Tony Dungy before revising the conditions of Blount's suspension.
The university said in a statement that athletic director Mike Bellotti and President Richard Lariviere had been involved in the process. Oregon was also in contact with Pacific-10 Conference commissioner Larry Scott.
Scott was expected to make a statement regarding Kelly's decision later Friday.
Hout was dropped to his knees by Blount's punch following the Ducks' Sept. 3 loss to the Broncos on national television.
Kelly suspended Blount for the rest of the season the next day. Because he is a senior, the suspension effectively ended Blount's college career.
On Thursday, the university newspaper published a letter of apology from Blount. In it, he offered his "sincerest apologies and heartfelt regrets."
"On a personal note, I probably will never be able to erase the memories of the post-game events of that day. Given this, I do not expect to be given a second chance to be a positive and responsible member of the football program and of this community," Blount said in the letter to the editor. "Going forward, what I hope for is the opportunity to show that I am able to earn a second chance as a University student. And if I am so fortunate, I believe that I also will demonstrate that I am a better man and a better human being for having lived through this unfortunate experience."
It was Blount's first public comment since an apology to reporters immediately following the Boise State game.
Blount and Kelly called Boise State coach Chris Petersen and Hout soon after the suspension to apologize. Kelly said Friday that the call was Blount's idea.
There has been support for Blount among some of Oregon's fans. Students at last weekend's 42-3 upset of California at Autzen Stadium were seen wearing "Free Blount" T-shirts.
Blount, a 6-foot-2, 240-pound transfer from East Mississippi Community College, rushed for 1,002 yards and a school-record 17 touchdowns last season.
Oregon has won three straight games since the loss to the Broncos. The No. 16 Ducks host Washington State on Saturday.
This is very clearly
NOT a football decision. The Ducks are 3-0 without Blount and have found some good backs to replace him. They do
NOT need Blount to do what they want this year, nor do they need the distractions this will cause.
After being kicked off of the team Blount stayed in school (Oregon did not take his scholarship away), and has practiced every day with the scout team. In the coaching staff's and athletic department's eyes Blount has done enough for them to eventually reconsider the length of the suspension at some point int he next month. He signed a formal agreement that was drafted by the University's legal department outlining everything he has to do to even have a chance at playing again.
Minutes after Blount's antics after the Boise State game I was one of the very first to say that he needed to be kicked off of the team for good. I am glad to see that Coach Kelly, the University and the Athletic Department are open to Blount proving himself worthy of rejoining the team.
It is Oregon - of course they will let him back on the team. Nike nation cannot be denied, and sucker punching another player and trying to attack fans is really not so bad. Did they consult with Phil though?
Not nearly as bad as those uniforms.
QuoteThis is very clearly NOT a football decision.
:lmfao:
Quote from: Valmy on September 30, 2009, 08:28:26 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 30, 2009, 06:43:37 AM
To be fair, you talk about Michigan St. WAY more than about Minnesota.
To be fair this board has Michigan State fans and does not have Minnesota fans.
:angry:
I like all football-related topics from the state of Minnesota. :angry:
It's just that the Gophers get so very little national coverage I have very little reason to talk about them :(
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
It is Oregon - of course they will let him back on the team. Nike nation cannot be denied, and sucker punching another player and trying to attack fans is really not so bad. Did they consult with Phil though?
Not nearly as bad as those uniforms.
QuoteThis is very clearly NOT a football decision.
:lmfao:
What do you mean this is Oregon, do they have a history of things like this? I can think of two players they brought in that were questionable: Rodney Woods and Richie Incognito, who you should know. :P
The Ducks are 3-0 without Blount; since the Boise State game the Ducks have averaged over 200 rushing yards per game and 4.5 yards per carry as a team.
LaMichael James has rushed for over 100 yards in the last 2 games and is averaging 5.9 yards per carry.
The earliest Blount could come back is Nov 7th against Stanford. The only games he could possibly play in are
Nov 7 - @ Stanford
Nov 14 - Arizona State
Nov 21 - @ Arizona
Dec 3 - Oregon State
Any bowl game.
If this was a football decision wouldn't they have brought him back before the Cal game, or even better after the WSU game this weekend? If it was a football decision wouldn't they want him for the @ UCLA, @ Washington, USC gauntlet they run later this month?
In what way would it make sense to bring this kid back and re-open that can of worms and invite all of those distractions when they are already running the ball better than they could with Blount, and likely after the conference title has been decided?
Because they can smell a BCS bowl, of course, and they know their chances are better with Blount than without him. The fact that they are 3-1 is why they are going to shuck and jive to get him back - if the season was a write-off, they would not bother with the flack bringing him back is going to bring after they supposedly suspended him for "the season".
They cannot bring him back too soon, of course - there is only so much chutzpah you can get away with.
And this is the Pac-10 - the title will most certainly not be decided with 4 games left in the season. And who are we kidding - Blount is their best back, and they know it. They are smelling success, and figuring that by November the stink of him will have faded a bit, so they are laying to groundwork with these protestations of all he will have to do now.
I guess at Oregon a "season long suspension" doesn't mean all that much. If they wanted to suspend him for a few games, they could at least have the honesty to say so from the start. I love this idea that somehow going to class is so amazing that they need to re-evaluate his punishment. ZOMG! He went to class! He must be really, really sorry!
Quote from: Barrister on October 02, 2009, 11:35:03 PM
:angry:
I like all football-related topics from the state of Minnesota. :angry:
It's just that the Gophers get so very little national coverage I have very little reason to talk about them :(
The new stadium looks pretty sweet. :cool:
Wow. Nailbiters in Michigan and Minnesota. That John Clay is a monster. Somewhere between him and Tolzein is a Heisman.
Michigan should have beat Sparty, but the Great Lakes rain decided to remind Coach Rodriguez why they don't play the spread in the Big Ten.
I really didn't understand how Michigan was the underdog, but after watching most of the game I guess it made sense.
Didn't watch any of the Cincinnati-Miami (OH) game, but I wonder how the bloody hell Miam was able to score 13 points on them.
And it figures that the Hokies would squeak by vs. Duke after last week's win :lol:
Congrats to Sparty for a great win! :)
Congrats to Iowa for a crap win.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 03, 2009, 02:20:42 PM
Michigan should have beat Sparty, but the Great Lakes rain decided to remind Coach Rodriguez why they don't play the spread in the Big Ten.
If you are under the impression the spread can only work in nice weather you obviously have never been Lubbock where Texas Tech is. The winds there are simply ridiculous.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 03, 2009, 02:20:42 PM
Michigan should have beat Sparty, but the Great Lakes rain decided to remind Coach Rodriguez why they don't play the spread in the Big Ten.
If you are under the impression the spread can only work in nice weather you obviously have never been Lubbock where Texas Tech is. The winds there are simply ridiculous.
Was MIM one of they guys who was saying, back when Florida hired Urban Meyers away from Utah, that his system couldn't work in the SEC?
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 03, 2009, 02:20:42 PM
Michigan should have beat Sparty, but the Great Lakes rain decided to remind Coach Rodriguez why they don't play the spread in the Big Ten.
If you are under the impression the spread can only work in nice weather you obviously have never been Lubbock where Texas Tech is. The winds there are simply ridiculous.
Joe Tiller used an early spread in Laramie (wind, cold, wind, cold, wind), and now Christiansen is here using one...
With the wind, the short passing game of the spread is a lot better than a vertical game, at least it seems that way.
Juice Williams is one big failure as Illini QB. he's had one good game 2 years ago and a steady stream of shit.
Quote from: dps on October 03, 2009, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 03, 2009, 02:20:42 PM
Michigan should have beat Sparty, but the Great Lakes rain decided to remind Coach Rodriguez why they don't play the spread in the Big Ten.
If you are under the impression the spread can only work in nice weather you obviously have never been Lubbock where Texas Tech is. The winds there are simply ridiculous.
Was MIM one of they guys who was saying, back when Florida hired Urban Meyers away from Utah, that his system couldn't work in the SEC?
No.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 03, 2009, 02:20:42 PM
Michigan should have beat Sparty, but the Great Lakes rain decided to remind Coach Rodriguez why they don't play the spread in the Big Ten.
If you are under the impression the spread can only work in nice weather you obviously have never been Lubbock where Texas Tech is. The winds there are simply ridiculous.
TTech doesn't play the spread option like Michigan. They're more of a spread-out West Coast or air raid offense. Wet weather = slippery football. Look that that last sloppy ass drive in regulation today. Forcier gave it an amazing shot but he just couldn't hang on to the ball.
Ok I have to admit Clausen is a really good Quarterback.
Irish win! :yeah:
Wyoming (3-2) faced off against the mighty Owls of Florida Atlantic University (0-4) today, and managed to totally dominate every aspect of the game, winning by the impressive margin of 30-28.
Still, a win is a win, and Wyoming is suddenly with a bit of offense. I will take it.
Cris Carter's boy Duron got his first TD pass.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2009, 07:33:41 PM
Cris Carter's boy Duron got his first TD pass.
Didn't figure Chris for a big Duron Duron fan.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 03, 2009, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2009, 07:33:41 PM
Cris Carter's boy Duron got his first TD pass.
Didn't figure Chris for a big Duron Duron fan.
Hyuk, hyuk. :lol:
I sure hope Charlie Weiss isn't going to make Katmai sleep in the wet spot tonight.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot.
Fuck you, Clemson.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 03, 2009, 06:04:14 PM
TTech doesn't play the spread option like Michigan. They're more of a spread-out West Coast or air raid offense. Wet weather = slippery football. Look that that last sloppy ass drive in regulation today. Forcier gave it an amazing shot but he just couldn't hang on to the ball.
Central Michigan? They run their spread pretty well in shitty weather (they did kinda have an off day against Buffalo in bad weather today though...kind of...lots of penalties, etc, only won by 7). IIRC They pass more than Michigan, run more than Tech.
Edit: It's pretty much one dude though, but they
have stuck a backup in there and had success when LeFevour has gotten hurt. I think they beat Indiana last year with the backup.
Tim ortiz, eat shit and die.
Jay,
they were 14 pt underdogs, so I can't really be too bummed by a loss in ot.
At least ONE UW represented today.
Wyoming gets to play homecoming against New Mexico next week. The same New Mexico team that is disintegrating, their coach has sexual harassment and a host of other things against him...for once Wyoming is actually middle-tier in the Mountain West!
(Mediocrity, the time might be NOW)
Quote from: katmai on October 03, 2009, 09:08:11 PMthey were 14 pt underdogs, so I can't really be too bummed by a loss in ot.
They put themselves in a position to win, dammit.
And I sure hope you didn't take ND to cover. They never cover double-digits. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2009, 09:33:48 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 03, 2009, 09:08:11 PMthey were 14 pt underdogs, so I can't really be too bummed by a loss in ot.
They put themselves in a position to win, dammit.
And I sure hope you didn't take ND to cover. They never cover double-digits. :P
oh god no, even I'm not that dumb.
The huskies need to get their lines back to being dominant before they will win games like this one again. I just hope we have Locker for another year with these young wideouts and Polk who really is just a red shirt frosh.
Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2009, 09:14:35 PM
At least ONE UW represented today.
Congrats to the Badgers.
:yeah: Miami wins.
Auburn, 5-0? :D I'll take it, ugly wins are still wins, and this one was not that ugly. :thumbsup:
BTW, some great college football highlights today.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 03, 2009, 06:04:14 PM
TTech doesn't play the spread option like Michigan. They're more of a spread-out West Coast or air raid offense. Wet weather = slippery football. Look that that last sloppy ass drive in regulation today. Forcier gave it an amazing shot but he just couldn't hang on to the ball.
Now you are just being silly. Is West Virginia in the desert or something? I am pretty sure Rich Rod's offense has managed to work in the rain before.
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2009, 11:54:50 PM
Because they can smell a BCS bowl, of course, and they know their chances are better with Blount than without him. The fact that they are 3-1 is why they are going to shuck and jive to get him back - if the season was a write-off, they would not bother with the flack bringing him back is going to bring after they supposedly suspended him for "the season".
He may be their best back, but not by a whole lot, and not by enough to be worth going through all of this over. LaMichael James had another great game tonight, as did their backups. I do not think the Ducks need Blount to win the Pac-10 and/or go to a BCS Bowl game. Their O-Line has to continue to improve, Masoli must stay consistent and the defense has to keep playing at the level they have been without thier best player Walter Thurmond III, who is out for the year. I do think you are correct that there would be no talk of him coming back if they were even 2-2, but they aren't.
QuoteThey cannot bring him back too soon, of course - there is only so much chutzpah you can get away with.
The season long suspension the school decided on was much harsher than anything the conference or NCAA would have handed down, if they had any intention of bringing him back they would have made it a 4-5 games suspension making him available for the hardest part of their schedule. Kelly said when he suspended him for the year he had no thought that Blount would ever play for them again, then things happened to change his mind.
QuoteAnd this is the Pac-10 - the title will most certainly not be decided with 4 games left in the season. And who are we kidding - Blount is their best back, and they know it. They are smelling success, and figuring that by November the stink of him will have faded a bit, so they are laying to groundwork with these protestations of all he will have to do now.
You are right, the conference won't be officially decided by then but the main pre-season players -USC, Cal and Oregon will have played the hardest parts of their schedules and have all played each other. There may be some drama left by Nov. 7th, but not a whole lot.
QuoteI guess at Oregon a "season long suspension" doesn't mean all that much. If they wanted to suspend him for a few games, they could at least have the honesty to say so from the start. I love this idea that somehow going to class is so amazing that they need to re-evaluate his punishment. ZOMG! He went to class! He must be really, really sorry!
So you never change your4 mind or regret a decision you have made? Once you have said something it should be carved in stone because it will never change? That would be unfortunate for anyone you have influence over. I am glad that coach Kelly is willing to realize the correct decision on Sept. 4th may not still be correct on Nov. 7th.
Are you under the impression that all of the star football players go to every class and get straight A's and are making steady progress towards degrees? :lmfao: Kids who are on the team and play each Saturday have issues with getting to class regularly. Many seniors will drop out of school after their bowl game and start preparing for the draft. Blount was told he would never play college football again; many people in his situation would have packed their bags, and either transferred to a school they could play at this year, or signed with an agent for some cheap money and hired a trainer to prepare for the combine and draft. It says something to me that the #2 back, and 56th ranked prospect in the country, who already has 3 kids, decided to stay in Eugene, practice with the scout team and go to class every day, something he didn't so when he
was playing.
No one outside of the Oregon athletic program knows exactly what has transpired the last month in regards to Blount. I have no reason not to believe coach Kelly when he says he never intended for Blount to play for him again, but as he watched Blount's reaction to the situation, met with people like Tony Dungy, Harry Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Edwards) and others in the school and Pac-10 conference, he realized that a season long suspension was not in the best interest of ANYONE, but mostly LaGarrette Blount himself.
As I doubt I have changed your, or anyone else's, mind on this there isn't much reason to discuss this any more until November, when and if a decision is made. :)
By the way you never answered my question about what you meant by "It is Oregon - of course they will let him back on the team."
Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2009, 09:18:00 PM
Wyoming gets to play homecoming against New Mexico next week. The same New Mexico team that is disintegrating, their coach has sexual harassment and a host of other things against him...for once Wyoming is actually middle-tier in the Mountain West!
(Mediocrity, the time might be NOW)
I will be pulling for the Cowboys.
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 03, 2009, 10:43:35 PM
BTW, some great college football highlights today.
I didn't get to see much, except the Ducks trashing of the Cougars.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2009, 05:01:17 PM
Juice Williams is one big failure as Illini QB. he's had one good game 2 years ago and a steady stream of shit.
He looked terrible, I was at the game. He appears to have no awareness at all.
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 12:46:00 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2009, 11:54:50 PM
Because they can smell a BCS bowl, of course, and they know their chances are better with Blount than without him. The fact that they are 3-1 is why they are going to shuck and jive to get him back - if the season was a write-off, they would not bother with the flack bringing him back is going to bring after they supposedly suspended him for "the season".
He may be their best back, but not by a whole lot, and not by enough to be worth going through all of this over. LaMichael James had another great game tonight, as did their backups. I do not think the Ducks need Blount to win the Pac-10 and/or go to a BCS Bowl game. Their O-Line has to continue to improve, Masoli must stay consistent and the defense has to keep playing at the level they have been without thier best player Walter Thurmond III, who is out for the year. I do think you are correct that there would be no talk of him coming back if they were even 2-2, but they aren't.
Indeed - which goes to show that this is most certainly, regardless of what spin the Oregon athletic department wishes to put on it, most certainly a football decision.
Quote
QuoteThey cannot bring him back too soon, of course - there is only so much chutzpah you can get away with.
The season long suspension the school decided on was much harsher than anything the conference or NCAA would have handed down, if they had any intention of bringing him back they would have made it a 4-5 games suspension making him available for the hardest part of their schedule. Kelly said when he suspended him for the year he had no thought that Blount would ever play for them again, then things happened to change his mind.
QuoteAnd this is the Pac-10 - the title will most certainly not be decided with 4 games left in the season. And who are we kidding - Blount is their best back, and they know it. They are smelling success, and figuring that by November the stink of him will have faded a bit, so they are laying to groundwork with these protestations of all he will have to do now.
You are right, the conference won't be officially decided by then but the main pre-season players -USC, Cal and Oregon will have played the hardest parts of their schedules and have all played each other. There may be some drama left by Nov. 7th, but not a whole lot.
That is BS, and you know it. Unless USC dominates again, the Pac-10 title will be decided in those last games, and most importantly, BCS bowl games will be decided then.
Great to get him back by then, oh so convenient.
Quote
QuoteI guess at Oregon a "season long suspension" doesn't mean all that much. If they wanted to suspend him for a few games, they could at least have the honesty to say so from the start. I love this idea that somehow going to class is so amazing that they need to re-evaluate his punishment. ZOMG! He went to class! He must be really, really sorry!
So you never change your4 mind or regret a decision you have made? Once you have said something it should be carved in stone because it will never change? That would be unfortunate for anyone you have influence over. I am glad that coach Kelly is willing to realize the correct decision on Sept. 4th may not still be correct on Nov. 7th.
:puke:
I change my mind all the time - what I don't do though is hand down a punishment for one of the nastier actions I've ever seen on a football field by a total thug with a history of problems, and then turn around and say "Golly, I talked to Tony Dungy, so I guess Blount can come on back and help us win some football games!'
That isn't "changing your mind", it is caving to the pressure to win at all costs and pamper your star, no matter how much of a thug he is.
Quote
Are you under the impression that all of the star football players go to every class and get straight A's and are making steady progress towards degrees? :lmfao: Kids who are on the team and play each Saturday have issues with getting to class regularly. Many seniors will drop out of school after their bowl game and start preparing for the draft. Blount was told he would never play college football again; many people in his situation would have packed their bags, and either transferred to a school they could play at this year, or signed with an agent for some cheap money and hired a trainer to prepare for the combine and draft. It says something to me that the #2 back, and 56th ranked prospect in the country, who already has 3 kids, decided to stay in Eugene, practice with the scout team and go to class every day, something he didn't so when he was playing.
Yeah, he did all this without any idea at all that it would pay off in such a spectacluar fashion, I am sure.
Quote
No one outside of the Oregon athletic program knows exactly what has transpired the last month in regards to Blount.
What is there to know? We know what transpired prior - he assaulted a player, tried to fight with fans, and was suspended for the year - turns out it was just a fake suspension though.
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I have no reason not to believe coach Kelly when he says he never intended for Blount to play for him again,
I do - the fact that he is now saying he is welcome to play for him again suggests that his original statement was not made in all honesty. See how that works - he says one thing, then does something else entirely - that is pretty good "reason to believe" that he didn't mean it to begin with.
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but as he watched Blount's reaction to the situation, met with people like Tony Dungy, Harry Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Edwards) and others in the school and Pac-10 conference, he realized that a season long suspension was not in the best interest of ANYONE, but mostly LaGarrette Blount himself.
Of course not - why, that isn't in anyone best interests to have your star back sit out the year. Certainly not HIS best interest, and that is what is important. Integrity, honesty, fair play, being an example, making it clear that some behavior is not acceptable...nah, those things are not important when it comes to Mr. Blount and Coach Kellys "best interest".
Quote
As I doubt I have changed your, or anyone else's, mind on this there isn't much reason to discuss this any more until November, when and if a decision is made. :)
Well, you are a Oregon fan, so it's not like there is any chance you won't buy into whatever spin they are shoveling your way - which is really funny since IIRC you said you agreed that he should never play for Oregon again. Now that the coach says "Well, you know, he really is a great kid when he isn't scuker punching other players and trying to attack fans..." and you are all "Oh yeah! Bring him back! It is what is in our best interests fersure!"
Quote
By the way you never answered my question about what you meant by "It is Oregon - of course they will let him back on the team."
Which part do you not understand?
Well, if time off for good behavior works for prison sentences, why not for football suspensions?
Woo Hoo! How 'bout those Spartans! I'm still smiling.
Quote from: Alcibiades on October 04, 2009, 12:58:04 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2009, 05:01:17 PM
Juice Williams is one big failure as Illini QB. he's had one good game 2 years ago and a steady stream of shit.
He looked terrible, I was at the game. He appears to have no awareness at all.
I'm surprised the Zook stuck with him.
Wyoming won and Colorado State lost...to Idaho. My God the weekend is wonderful.
Quote from: PDH on October 04, 2009, 10:36:24 AM
Colorado State lost...to Idaho. My God the weekend is wonderful.
I tried sooo hard to stay awake for the 2nd half. Just didn't happen. Go Vandals.
1. Florida (54) 4-0 1,486 1
2. Texas (1) 4-0 1,416 2
3. Alabama (5) 5-0 1,404 3
4. LSU 5-0 1,290 4
5. Virginia Tech 4-1 1,200 6
6. Boise St. 5-0 1,185 5
7. Southern Cal 4-1 1,108 7
8. Cincinnati 5-0 1,004 10
9. Ohio St. 4-1 994 9
10. TCU 4-0 940 11
11. Miami 3-1 931 17
12. Iowa 5-0 823 13
13. Oregon 4-1 676 16
14. Penn St. 4-1 564 15
15. Oklahoma St. 3-1 563 14
16. Kansas 4-0 513 18
17. Auburn 5-0 428 --
18. BYU 4-1 403 20
19. Oklahoma 2-2 370 8
20. Mississippi 3-1 357 21
21. Nebraska 3-1 333 23
22. Georgia Tech 4-1 311 25
23. South Florida 5-0 238 --
24. Missouri 4-0 215 --
25. South Carolina 4-1 200 --
Others receiving votes: Wisconsin 157, Houston 142, Georgia 115, Stanford 50, Utah 31, Michigan 25, Boston College 12, Notre Dame 9, Pittsburgh 3, Arizona 2, West Virginia 2.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 03:04:55 PM
12. Iowa 5-0 823 13
Also rans: Wisconsin 157, Houston 142, Georgia 115, Stanford 50, Utah 31, Michigan 25, Boston College 12, Notre Dame 9, Pittsburgh 3, Arizona 2, West Virginia 2.
:yeah:
I wonder who the one guy is who votes for Texas every single week.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 04, 2009, 03:47:31 PM
I wonder who the one guy is who votes for Texas every single week.
Bill in Sinton.
Quote from: Berkut on October 04, 2009, 01:17:53 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 12:46:00 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2009, 11:54:50 PM
Because they can smell a BCS bowl, of course, and they know their chances are better with Blount than without him. The fact that they are 3-1 is why they are going to shuck and jive to get him back - if the season was a write-off, they would not bother with the flack bringing him back is going to bring after they supposedly suspended him for "the season".
He may be their best back, but not by a whole lot, and not by enough to be worth going through all of this over. LaMichael James had another great game tonight, as did their backups. I do not think the Ducks need Blount to win the Pac-10 and/or go to a BCS Bowl game. Their O-Line has to continue to improve, Masoli must stay consistent and the defense has to keep playing at the level they have been without thier best player Walter Thurmond III, who is out for the year. I do think you are correct that there would be no talk of him coming back if they were even 2-2, but they aren't.
Indeed - which goes to show that this is most certainly, regardless of what spin the Oregon athletic department wishes to put on it, most certainly a football decision.
Quote
QuoteThey cannot bring him back too soon, of course - there is only so much chutzpah you can get away with.
The season long suspension the school decided on was much harsher than anything the conference or NCAA would have handed down, if they had any intention of bringing him back they would have made it a 4-5 games suspension making him available for the hardest part of their schedule. Kelly said when he suspended him for the year he had no thought that Blount would ever play for them again, then things happened to change his mind.
QuoteAnd this is the Pac-10 - the title will most certainly not be decided with 4 games left in the season. And who are we kidding - Blount is their best back, and they know it. They are smelling success, and figuring that by November the stink of him will have faded a bit, so they are laying to groundwork with these protestations of all he will have to do now.
You are right, the conference won't be officially decided by then but the main pre-season players -USC, Cal and Oregon will have played the hardest parts of their schedules and have all played each other. There may be some drama left by Nov. 7th, but not a whole lot.
That is BS, and you know it. Unless USC dominates again, the Pac-10 title will be decided in those last games, and most importantly, BCS bowl games will be decided then.
Great to get him back by then, oh so convenient.
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QuoteI guess at Oregon a "season long suspension" doesn't mean all that much. If they wanted to suspend him for a few games, they could at least have the honesty to say so from the start. I love this idea that somehow going to class is so amazing that they need to re-evaluate his punishment. ZOMG! He went to class! He must be really, really sorry!
So you never change your4 mind or regret a decision you have made? Once you have said something it should be carved in stone because it will never change? That would be unfortunate for anyone you have influence over. I am glad that coach Kelly is willing to realize the correct decision on Sept. 4th may not still be correct on Nov. 7th.
:puke:
I change my mind all the time - what I don't do though is hand down a punishment for one of the nastier actions I've ever seen on a football field by a total thug with a history of problems, and then turn around and say "Golly, I talked to Tony Dungy, so I guess Blount can come on back and help us win some football games!'
That isn't "changing your mind", it is caving to the pressure to win at all costs and pamper your star, no matter how much of a thug he is.
Quote
Are you under the impression that all of the star football players go to every class and get straight A's and are making steady progress towards degrees? :lmfao: Kids who are on the team and play each Saturday have issues with getting to class regularly. Many seniors will drop out of school after their bowl game and start preparing for the draft. Blount was told he would never play college football again; many people in his situation would have packed their bags, and either transferred to a school they could play at this year, or signed with an agent for some cheap money and hired a trainer to prepare for the combine and draft. It says something to me that the #2 back, and 56th ranked prospect in the country, who already has 3 kids, decided to stay in Eugene, practice with the scout team and go to class every day, something he didn't so when he was playing.
Yeah, he did all this without any idea at all that it would pay off in such a spectacluar fashion, I am sure.
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No one outside of the Oregon athletic program knows exactly what has transpired the last month in regards to Blount.
What is there to know? We know what transpired prior - he assaulted a player, tried to fight with fans, and was suspended for the year - turns out it was just a fake suspension though.
Quote
I have no reason not to believe coach Kelly when he says he never intended for Blount to play for him again,
I do - the fact that he is now saying he is welcome to play for him again suggests that his original statement was not made in all honesty. See how that works - he says one thing, then does something else entirely - that is pretty good "reason to believe" that he didn't mean it to begin with.
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but as he watched Blount's reaction to the situation, met with people like Tony Dungy, Harry Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Edwards) and others in the school and Pac-10 conference, he realized that a season long suspension was not in the best interest of ANYONE, but mostly LaGarrette Blount himself.
Of course not - why, that isn't in anyone best interests to have your star back sit out the year. Certainly not HIS best interest, and that is what is important. Integrity, honesty, fair play, being an example, making it clear that some behavior is not acceptable...nah, those things are not important when it comes to Mr. Blount and Coach Kellys "best interest".
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As I doubt I have changed your, or anyone else's, mind on this there isn't much reason to discuss this any more until November, when and if a decision is made. :)
I am a little embarrassed I let such a silly little troll get enough of a rise out of me to actually respond
twice. I should have realized early on you had no desire to have an actual conversation about the situation but just have the serious "Penis Envy" typical for the mid to low level Pac-10 teams when it comes to the Ducks. Oregon has a multi-billionaire alum and booster that supports the school; sorry Arizona isn't worthy enough to have one of their own. Had I known you were just going to close your eyes and just sling shit everywhere hoping something might stick I would have ignored your little smilie and saved us both a bunch of time.
QuoteWell, you are a Oregon fan, so it's not like there is any chance you won't buy into whatever spin they are shoveling your way - which is really funny since IIRC you said you agreed that he should never play for Oregon again. Now that the coach says "Well, you know, he really is a great kid when he isn't scuker punching other players and trying to attack fans..." and you are all "Oh yeah! Bring him back! It is what is in our best interests fersure!"
Find me one place I said "Bring him back." Strawman much?
QuoteBy the way you never answered my question about what you meant by "It is Oregon - of course they will let him back on the team."
QuoteWhich part do you not understand?
I do understand now. See above: "Penis Envy."
Next Saturday is an SEC Super Slugfest.
Go Gators. I don't want to be stuck rooting for LSU in a championship game again.
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 03:50:55 PM
I do understand now. See above: "Penis Envy."
You'll have to excuse my Wildcat friend, it's been a while since Arizona played a meaningful game during the holidays. 9/11 eclipsed memories of Ortege Jenkins.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 04:59:35 PM
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 03:50:55 PM
I do understand now. See above: "Penis Envy."
You'll have to excuse my Wildcat friend, it's been a while since Arizona played a meaningful game during the holidays. 9/11 eclipsed memories of Ortege Jenkins.
Yeah, if only Arizona was a better football school, then perhaps I could understand why letting thugs play for your school is really a-ok.
If that is what it takes to be in the upper crust, I will pass. Sbr can keep all the Blounts he likes.
At least one thing is for sure - if they guy ever steps onto the field in an Oregon uniform, their reputation will be nicely sealed as a team that cares not about standard, ethics, or integrity. Just win, baby.
Oregon: Tennessee of the West.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 04, 2009, 03:47:31 PM
I wonder who the one guy is who votes for Texas every single week.
Evidently a gentleman of great wisdom.
Quote from: Berkut on October 04, 2009, 07:04:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 04:59:35 PM
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 03:50:55 PM
I do understand now. See above: "Penis Envy."
You'll have to excuse my Wildcat friend, it's been a while since Arizona played a meaningful game during the holidays. 9/11 eclipsed memories of Ortege Jenkins.
Yeah, if only Arizona was a better football school, then perhaps I could understand why letting thugs play for your school is really a-ok.
If that is what it takes to be in the upper crust, I will pass. Sbr can keep all the Blounts he likes.
The wildcats don't have any "thugs" on their team?
http://media.wildcat.arizona.edu/sports/three-football-players-arrested-1.623029
QuoteAt least one thing is for sure - if they guy ever steps onto the field in an Oregon uniform, their reputation will be nicely sealed as a team that cares not about standard, ethics, or integrity. Just win, baby.
Yes because there has been so many other instances of this in the program.
For a team that is regularly in the Top 25 they don't have any more of this kind of crap than anyone else. I mentioned Rodney Woods and Richie Incognito (who never played a game for the Ducks) and they have had a couple of minor recruiting violations but otherwise they are a pretty clean program. If their worst sin is to give a kid another chance, well I can live with that.
As you said we can discuss it more when a decision is made. :)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 07:05:51 PM
Oregon: Tennessee of the West.
:lol:
Any actual facts you want to bring to the table or are you just going to join Berkut in slinging shit? :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 03:04:55 PM
17. Auburn 5-0 428 --
War Eagle is starting to fly. Is that fear I see in the fightin' Timmays of Alabama's eyes?
After carefully reviewing all the tape from each game this Saturday and exploring every player and every match up from every game I have come to the following carefully measured scientific conclusion: OU sucks.
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 07:35:21 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 04, 2009, 07:04:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 04:59:35 PM
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 03:50:55 PM
I do understand now. See above: "Penis Envy."
You'll have to excuse my Wildcat friend, it's been a while since Arizona played a meaningful game during the holidays. 9/11 eclipsed memories of Ortege Jenkins.
Yeah, if only Arizona was a better football school, then perhaps I could understand why letting thugs play for your school is really a-ok.
If that is what it takes to be in the upper crust, I will pass. Sbr can keep all the Blounts he likes.
The wildcats don't have any "thugs" on their team?
http://media.wildcat.arizona.edu/sports/three-football-players-arrested-1.623029
Awesome - they haven't even said yet what they are going to do about them getting in a fight, but you already know that it is somehow equivalent to laying out the red carpet for Blount to return after one of the nastiest incidents ever. Your objectivity is impressive.
Quote
QuoteAt least one thing is for sure - if they guy ever steps onto the field in an Oregon uniform, their reputation will be nicely sealed as a team that cares not about standard, ethics, or integrity. Just win, baby.
Yes because there has been so many other instances of this in the program.
For a team that is regularly in the Top 25 they don't have any more of this kind of crap than anyone else. I mentioned Rodney Woods and Richie Incognito (who never played a game for the Ducks) and they have had a couple of minor recruiting violations but otherwise they are a pretty clean program. If their worst sin is to give a kid another chance, well I can live with that.
They aren't "giving him another chance", they are backing off on their punishment of someone who assaulted another player, and then tried to attack fans, all because he lost a game.
Your apologism and excuse making really is rather sad, and a little amusing considering how much you are backtracking from your original reaction to this incident.
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 07:36:54 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 07:05:51 PM
Oregon: Tennessee of the West.
:lol:
Any actual facts you want to bring to the table or are you just going to join Berkut in slinging shit? :P
The only person slinging anything is you and your desperate attempt to polish up the turd that is Kelly deciding to renege on his decision to suspend Blount.
Of course, since you cannot come up with any actual point, you are retreating to personal nastinesss and this rather bizarre attack on other schools, like any other school has anything to do with what Oregon decides. Your animosity towards people with another position (one shared by you just a week or two ago, I might add) suggests to me that even you aren't buying the bullshit you and Kelly are shoveling.
Never thought I'd see Cincinnati at #8 :)
Quote from: Valmy on October 04, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 03:04:55 PM
17. Auburn 5-0 428 --
War Eagle is starting to fly. Is that fear I see in the fightin' Timmays of Alabama's eyes?
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=ArSx4an8Cf6k_e7qooJeoOAcvrYF?slug=dw-chizik100509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Now everyone else pays attention to AU. ;)
This next weekend is when we start to see who will survive the SEC this season.
If Arizona can pull out a win this weekend against the huskies, it will be huge.
Losing is not the end of the world...but a win would put the Cats at 2-0 in the conference, and those would be 2 road wins. Winnning on the road in the Pac-10 when you are not SC is rather hard to do - getting 2 wins right off the bat could really set them up for a top-3 or better finish.
Quote from: Valmy on October 04, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 03:04:55 PM
17. Auburn 5-0 428 --
War Eagle is starting to fly. Is that fear I see in the fightin' Timmays of Alabama's eyes?
I'm not an Auburn fan but I hope they win out :D
As a Auburn fan, my hopes this season is simply that we ruin Bama's season. :lol: If we get a few other wins on the way, that is just bonus. ;)
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 05, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
As a Auburn fan, my hopes this season is simply that we ruin Bama's season. :lol: If we get a few other wins on the way, that is just bonus. ;)
I always rooted for 'bama against Auburn when Gene Stallings ran the team. Now with the anti-christ Saban in there, I don't know what to do.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 05, 2009, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 05, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
As a Auburn fan, my hopes this season is simply that we ruin Bama's season. :lol: If we get a few other wins on the way, that is just bonus. ;)
I always rooted for 'bama against Auburn when Gene Stallings ran the team. Now with the anti-christ Saban in there, I don't know what to do.
Yes you do. Let the hate guide you. Give in to your anger.
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 05, 2009, 03:30:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 05, 2009, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 05, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
As a Auburn fan, my hopes this season is simply that we ruin Bama's season. :lol: If we get a few other wins on the way, that is just bonus. ;)
I always rooted for 'bama against Auburn when Gene Stallings ran the team. Now with the anti-christ Saban in there, I don't know what to do.
Yes you do. Let the hate guide you. Give in to your anger.
I...can't. 'Bama chicks smartly dressed in the stands. Must...roll tide.
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 05, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
As a Auburn fan, my hopes this season is simply that we ruin Bama's season. :lol: If we get a few other wins on the way, that is just bonus. ;)
Well lets see:
Auburns should beat Arkansas, Kentucky, and Furman.
Then they have a decent shot against Mississippi at home and Georgia on the road...and then they go to LSU.
They could easily be 9-2 when they play Bama.
Hey berkie,
I haven't seen a lick of the Cats this year, so tell me what you think of them vs the Dawgs.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 05, 2009, 03:23:51 PM
I always rooted for 'bama against Auburn when Gene Stallings ran the team.
Gene Stallings was the LBJ/Lloyd Bentsen of the NCAA.
Quote from: katmai on October 05, 2009, 04:01:02 PM
Hey berkie,
I haven't seen a lick of the Cats this year, so tell me what you think of them vs the Dawgs.
I think the line right now is -2.5 Arizona, and that sounds about right.
Your D sucks, as far as I can tell, and the Arizona offense is getting it together. Foles looked stellar against OSU - he may be the real deal. We have Grigsby, who is a great back, and after he got hurt early against OSU, both of his backups (including one true freshman) looked very good - first time I can recall Arizona having real depth at the running back spot. A solid O-line, Foles did not get sacked at all last week.
I think we will hang a lot of points.
The question will be Locker and that running back of yours, and whether we can contain them. Our defense is looking pretty good, lots of speed, but the D-line, which was supposed to be a strength, has some questions, to be honest. And too much speed against a guy like Locker could just end up hurting you.
Of course, we won last year with Locker amassing what, 450 yards or something insane like that?
The D's problem is good lb's and some talented young db's but the DL is weak, so no pressure is put on qb in passing and running games work against us.
Locker is good, hopefully Polk's game at ND is just the beginning.
Arizona rushing defense is #19 in the country, which seems surprising to me, because they haven't seemed like they have been wrapping up real well, and Polk will kill them if they decide they don't really want to tackle.
From a numbers perspective, I think our offense is a lot better than your defense, and our defense should be able to at least slow you guys down.
From a numbers perspective, I would look for a 35-17 win, but I don't think it will happen. Winning on the road is too hard in this conference, and the Huskies are never an easy out.
Polk looked great at ND - but then, so would you. ND's defense is terrible.
An article in the Daily Star pointed out that Washington gives up 178 yds/game on the ground - 102nd nationally, and last in the Pac-10.
Arizona is rushing for 223 yds/game, 11th nationally, and 1st in the Pac-10.
That *should* mean we kill you guys. Just keep the ball on the ground, win the ToP battle (and keep Locker and Polk off the field). For some reason I am not nearly as confident as those numbers suggest though.
It would be huge for Arizona to win. After that they would be home for three straight conference games and could really establish themselves.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2009, 08:04:54 AM
It would be huge for Arizona to win. After that they would be home for three straight conference games and could really establish themselves.
I know - I think that is why I am so nervous about it.
Still....
By the numbers:
Arizona 27
Washington 10
Rumor has it Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant hired an agent and has been kicked off the team.
This conference keeps getting suckier every week.
Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2009, 03:20:22 PM
Rumor has it Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant hired and agent and has been kicked off the team.
This conference keeps getting suckier every week.
:lol:
Quote from: Berkut on October 04, 2009, 08:33:56 PM
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 07:36:54 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 07:05:51 PM
Oregon: Tennessee of the West.
:lol:
Any actual facts you want to bring to the table or are you just going to join Berkut in slinging shit? :P
The only person slinging anything is you and your desperate attempt to polish up the turd that is Kelly deciding to renege on his decision to suspend Blount.
Of course, since you cannot come up with any actual point, you are retreating to personal nastinesss and this rather bizarre attack on other schools, like any other school has anything to do with what Oregon decides. Your animosity towards people with another position (one shared by you just a week or two ago, I might add) suggests to me that even you aren't buying the bullshit you and Kelly are shoveling.
:lmfao:
Seriously?
This has nothing to do with "people with another position"[
sic], or me coming up with "an actual point." I posted the links to the article and the press conference where they announced that Blount could return. The entirety of this "debate" has been you throwing around obviously biased remarks like "It is Oregon - of course they will let him back on the team (http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=371.msg118961#msg118961)" and "Which part do you not understand? (http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=371.msg119336#msg119336) " when I call you on it. Give me just one reason--one source, that backs up your opinion of the Ducks athletic program. I would love to see it.
It is very easy to throw around comments like "of course they will let him back on the team" and the other shit you have said; there is no way for me to prove you wrong, so you are free to say anything you want. Even if I were to find something I am sure you would put it off as "spin" or pre-meditated. If you want to actually have an intelligent discussion about the situation if/when a decision is announced I would be more than willing to try this again. :)
I am sure you will find a way to spin this to your needs but I would like to see you, or anyone else, find any statement by me that contradicts my original statement that Blount should be kicked off of the team.
Here is every post I have made on the topic:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=371.msg118777#msg118777
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=371.msg118969#msg118969
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=371.msg119328#msg119328
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=371.msg119703#msg119703
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=371.msg119868#msg119868
http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=371.msg119869#msg119869
Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2009, 03:20:22 PM
Rumor has it Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant hired an agent and has been kicked off the team.
This conference keeps getting suckier every week.
He apparently lied to the NCAA about working out with Deion Sanders at Deion's house. I'm somewhat curious why the NCAA is questioning him about who he's working out with and where. They also asked about whether or not he met with agents or some such, but that's not what they're saying he lied about. Seems odd.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 10, 2009, 03:32:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2009, 03:20:22 PM
Rumor has it Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant hired an agent and has been kicked off the team.
This conference keeps getting suckier every week.
He apparently lied to the NCAA about working out with Deion Sanders. I'm somewhat curious why the NCAA is questioning him about who he's working out with and where.
I heard the NCAA was worried about Sanders being a middle man for an agent. Bryant lied to them thinking he had committed a violation, then when he found out he hadn't he changed his story. The NCAA didn't like him changing his story.
At least now he can kick back, not worry about getting hurt, and will still get drafted nice and high when he ditches Oklahoma State for the NFL.
Edit: Hey the Raiders still need a wideout. There you go Dez. :P
Quote from: sbr on October 10, 2009, 02:47:12 AM
I am sure you will find a way to spin this to your needs but I would like to see you, or anyone else, find any statement by me that contradicts my original statement that Blount should be kicked off of the team.
Then I have completely misunderstood your argument - I could have sworn you were arguing that you agreed with the decision to revoke his being kicked off the team. If in fact you think that is a terrible mistake, as I do, then obviously we have nothing to argue about, and in fact agree that this is a crass reneging on his punishment, certainly motivated by nothing more than the desire to win some more football games.
QuoteGive me just one reason--one source, that backs up your opinion of the Ducks athletic program. I would love to see it.
Kelly deciding to let someone who assaulted another player, and tried to attack fans (and this just the latest in a string of issues with this player) back on the team after fake kicking him off.
Woke up this morning...9 degrees and 6 inches of snow on the ground. Homecoming...well, thank god I will be at home.
Quote from: PDH on October 10, 2009, 09:18:02 AM
Woke up this morning...9 degrees and 6 inches of snow on the ground. Homecoming...well, thank god I will be at home.
Man, I so need to move out west.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 10, 2009, 03:39:28 AM
Hey the Raiders still need a wideout.
Which almost ensures that they won't draft one.
Well, actually, they need help almost everywhere, so even Al Davis may not be able to avoid filling some need of his team in the draft.
Quote from: dps on October 10, 2009, 09:46:21 AM
Which almost ensures that they won't draft one.
Oh don't worry, they will.
"Well, he runs a 4.2, but he's the 24th wideout on our draft board, Mr. Davis."
"That kid is a Raidah. Draft him first. Just win, baby."
Quote from: PDH on October 10, 2009, 09:18:02 AM
Woke up this morning...9 degrees and 6 inches of snow on the ground. Homecoming...well, thank god I will be at home.
Next week, I'll be attending the Indiana homecoming game. Which, judging from last year, is hearing "creek" pronounced "crik" repeatedly.
Wyoming is "crick" territory. Luckily I grew up elsewhere and pronounce the word properly.
Oh, up to 11 degrees! I wonder if Wyoming's new spread offense will have trouble...
I woke up late and missed the 1st 8 mins of the AU vs AR game, wish I had stayed sleeping. <_<
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 10, 2009, 12:16:34 PM
I woke up late and missed the 1st 8 mins of the AU vs AR game, wish I had stayed sleeping. <_<
:lol: Arkansas is smoking them six ways from Sunday.
Weather update - 11 AM and now up to 16 degree. PDH is still staying home.
Quote from: PDH on October 10, 2009, 12:27:36 PM
Weather update - 11 AM and now up to 16 degree. PDH is still staying home.
Dick Cheney is disappointed in you.
This is gonna be a long season.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2009, 02:03:57 PM
This is gonna be a long season.
Yeah. As a Georgia Tech fan, I approve. :)
...but god, Tennessee should put in their 4th string already.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2009, 12:28:54 PM
Dick Cheney is disappointed in you.
Dick Cheney is in Texas planning to kill people who speak badly of him.
The Whisky-Ohio State game is one giant clusterfuck so far.
Wyoming is stomping New Mexico man. This is just getting ugly.
My kid thinks the UCONN mascot is a polar bear. I'm having a hard time convincing him since it does sorta look like a skiinny, white bear.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
The Whisky-Ohio State game is one giant clusterfuck so far.
The drunk and/or retarded ref trying to announce that the reviewed play stands was good TV. Anyway, from a neutral third party perspective, it's been a fun one to watch, espec. after that Bucks TD catch just now.
Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2009, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
The Whisky-Ohio State game is one giant clusterfuck so far.
The drunk and/or retarded ref trying to announce that the reviewed play stands was good TV. Anyway, from a neutral third party perspective, it's been a fun one to watch, espec. after that Bucks TD catch just now.
the game has improved in the 2nd quarter. Pryor pulled his head out of his ass.
Quote from: PDH on October 10, 2009, 12:27:36 PM
Weather update - 11 AM and now up to 16 degree.
So you are saying it is T-shirt weather?
There ya go Peedy, Wyoming is 4-2.
It took facing an 0-5 team, but the DOMINANCE is back in Wyoming. I expect to ride this three game high for at least another 6 days now, before traveling to Air Force...
OK, the UCLA defense just scored one of the coolest TDs ever.
You'll know it when you see it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2009, 05:24:36 PM
OK, the UCLA defense just scored one of the coolest TDs ever.
You'll know it when you see it.
:lol: Nice.
I usually watch the big schools, but the UConn-Pitt game in the 4th quarter was just downright fun as shit.
Any thoughts from the peanut gallery on the UF-LSU game? I'm a little concerned because this year's UF offense resembles the 07 offense. I just heard Tebow has been cleared to play, which certainly helps, but it's never easy to play on the road in the SEC, especially in a night game at LSU. Urban Meyer has lost at least once to a West team every year at UF.
Quote from: stjaba on October 10, 2009, 06:07:56 PM
Any thoughts from the peanut gallery on the UF-LSU game? I'm a little concerned because this year's UF offense resembles the 07 offense. I just heard Tebow has been cleared to play, which certainly helps, but it's never easy to play on the road in the SEC, especially in a night game at LSU. Urban Meyer has lost at least once to a West team every year at UF.
Tebow or Brantley, it doesn't matter. The Florida ground game will be the deciding factor of the game, and the Florida D is far too fast for LSU, despite their shorty DBs.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2009, 05:24:36 PM
OK, the UCLA defense just scored one of the coolest TDs ever.
You'll know it when you see it.
Not really sure what Costa was trying to do with the ball there. :huh:
Great play by the UCLA kid though. :)
So more I look at arizona's early schedule and fact that this will be only 2nd start for their qb, feeling a bit more hopeful for win tonight. All depends on d-line and makeshift. starting safeties.
Can't believe I'm not at the LSU game. A bunch of my friends road tripped out there to go to the game. Going to road games is so fun in the SEC, especially if your team wins. My favorite was going to the UT-UF game in 2006. I was sitting in the one of the last rows at Neyland stadium, so I got to celebrate by walk through or around a shitload of Vol fans on the way down after the end of the game. Less fun was sitting at the top of the LSU stadium after we lost in 2005 and Auburn in 2006. <_<
Anyone going to OD on football properly today, and tune in to Fresno St--Hawaii at 11pm EST?
I'm barely surviving the Iowa-Michigan game. I'll be passed out.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2009, 08:01:10 PM
I'm barely surviving the Iowa-Michigan game. I'll be passed out.
See, you Big 10tards are all the same. You have a superior conference game one channel over with UF-LSU, but there you are, watching grumbler's tradition(tm).
That is why you fail.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2009, 08:06:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2009, 08:01:10 PM
I'm barely surviving the Iowa-Michigan game. I'll be passed out.
See, you Big 10tards are all the same. You have a superior conference game one channel over with UF-LSU, but there you are, watching grumbler's tradition(tm).
That is why you fail.
I'm addicted to Brent Musburger.
It's hockey night in Canada guys. Or if you really have to watch scrub football, the CFL is playing.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2009, 07:48:14 PM
Anyone going to OD on football properly today, and tune in to Fresno St--Hawaii at 11pm EST?
UW-Arizona starts at 10pm est so I'll be busy watching that :p
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2009, 08:10:13 PM
I'm addicted to Brent Musburger.
Admit it: you made your childbride get a pixie cut and wear Herbstreit's jersey when you do her from behind.
That was quite a nice run by Tebow just now, changed a sure sack into a pickup of eight yards.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2009, 07:48:14 PM
Anyone going to OD on football properly today, and tune in to Fresno St--Hawaii at 11pm EST?
Possibly. Just got home from work, so I didn't get a chance to see any of the earlier games.
Great game by the defense and special teams 38-14 over CU. The offense...well the same offensive line problems came back to haunt them today. I swear as soon as the offensive coordinator gets it into his mind Texas is going to run the ball disaster strikes.
Wow, what a freaky int for Huskies.
Heck of a game Berkie
Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2009, 12:50:24 AM
Heck of a game Berkie
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I don't know how Arizona manages to do this so consistently, although they had quite a bit of help from the stripes tonight, both on the fumble that was called back, a terrible replay overturn, and Locker went on to get the 56 yard TD, and then that last INT - I was not even stressing, because it looked like the ball clearly hit the ground.
Of course, if Arizona punches in TDs instead of settling for FGs, it wouldn't matter. What a bizarre way to lose a football game.
Yeah I was surprised by the overturn of fumble as from angles they showed I didn't see conclusive evidence to change it.
That int at first glance I thought also hit the ground.
Settling for fg's over td.... That is what UW's d has been doing last two weeks, giving up tons of yardage until the red zone.
The stop on 4th and goal from the 3 inch line was epic. I am pretty pissed that we managed to lose a game where we were clearly the better team in pretty much every facet of the game, but fuck, if you can't punch it in from the 3-inch line, you deserve to lose.
Heh that was serious Deja vu from last weeks game where Huskies couldn't get that last yard.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2009, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2009, 08:10:13 PM
I'm addicted to Brent Musburger.
Admit it: you made your childbride get a pixie cut and wear Herbstreit's jersey when you do her from behind.
Sounds awesome, but short hair? yuck.
The Georgia Tech - FSU game was not football as we know it. 9 possessions, 9 touchdowns in the first half, 49-44 final score. Like playing Tecmo Bowl or something.
Quote from: ulmont on October 11, 2009, 10:19:30 AM
The Georgia Tech - FSU game was not football as we know it. 9 possessions, 9 touchdowns in the first half, 49-44 final score. Like playing Tecmo Bowl or something.
Sounds like the old WAC
Bama hurdled Texas in the rankings. :(
1 Alabama
2 Boise State
3 Miami (FL)
4 Florida
5 Cincinnati
6 Virginia Tech
7 Texas
8 Oregon
9 South Florida
10 Nebraska
11 Iowa
12 Brigham Young
13 Kansas
14 Oklahoma State
15 Houston
16 USC
17 Georgia Tech
18 Utah
19 Penn State
20 LSU
21 Oklahoma
22 Ohio State
23 TCU
24 South Carolina
25 Notre Dame
:lol:
It's the fan rankings. That's why we leave this to reporters and coaches.
Woo-hoo, WVU is #28 :D
Now watch them get upset by Marshall next weekend.
Sigh. Why even have replay if you cannot get it right WITH the replay?
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg237.imageshack.us%2Fimg237%2F5074%2F98963175.jpg&hash=835c1412e232a19c1666eb42e097afb670f847ac)
How quickly the ref starts blaming the refs :lol:
Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2009, 08:09:31 PM
How quickly the ref starts blaming the refs :lol:
Actually, I am generally the opposite, but this time - uggh, that is just horrible.
You have to admit that was a terrible call.
I'll gladly admit it looked to me like it hit the turf, but i haven't read anything from national or even the few Arizona beat writers saying it was horrible call.
What happened on that play that makes it so significant?
Edit: Oh was that this play:
Quote from: RecapThe throw was low and behind Dean, deflecting off his left foot and into the arms of Foster who ran untouched for the shocking touchdown.
?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 11, 2009, 08:33:51 PM
What happened on that play that makes it so significant?
I think it was ruled an interception.
To me it just looks like someone who can't dance.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 11, 2009, 08:33:51 PM
What happened on that play that makes it so significant?
Edit: Oh was that this play:
Quote from: RecapThe throw was low and behind Dean, deflecting off his left foot and into the arms of Foster who ran untouched for the shocking touchdown.
?
Yep, it was a bizarre play. It didn't even deflect high - just straight into Fosters hands. I liked how the announcers were going on about what a "playmaker" he was - apparently he had something to do with it, beyond having the sense to run into the endzone.
Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2009, 08:26:08 PM
I'll gladly admit it looked to me like it hit the turf, but i haven't read anything from national or even the few Arizona beat writers saying it was horrible call.
Well...if it hit the turf, then it was a terrible call, no matter what anyone does or does not say. Literally changed the outcome of the game.
Back-- and to the left... back-- and to the left...
Go Irish, Roll Tide and look out for the Horned Frogs.
QuoteAP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida (50) 5-0 1490
2 Alabama (10) 6-0 1430
3 Texas 5-0 1395
4 Virginia Tech 5-1 1283
5 Boise State 5-0 1199
6 USC 4-1 1161
7 Ohio State 5-1 1048
8 Cincinnati 5-0 1038
9 Miami (FL) 4-1 970
10 LSU 5-1 947
11 Iowa 6-0 919
12 TCU 5-0 917
13 Oregon 5-1 776
14 Penn State 5-1 597
15 Nebraska 4-1 576
16 Oklahoma State 4-1 559
17 Kansas 5-0 551
18 Brigham Young 5-1 490
19 Georgia Tech 5-1 453
20 Oklahoma 3-2 432
21 South Florida 5-0 330
22 South Carolina 5-1 319
23 Houston 4-1 192
24 Utah 4-1 76
25 Notre Dame 4-1 75
Dropped from rankings: Auburn 17, Mississippi 20, Missouri 24
Others receiving votes: Pittsburgh 58, Auburn 55, West Virginia 46, Mississippi 28, Wisconsin 27, Missouri 25, Arkansas 16, Central Michigan 6, Arizona 5, Michigan 5, Oregon State 2, Navy 1, Idaho 1, Stanford 1, Texas Tech 1
QuoteUSA Today Poll
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida (53) 5-0 1468
2 Texas (1) 5-0 1402
3 Alabama (5) 6-0 1378
4 Virginia Tech 5-1 1241
5 USC 4-1 1175
6 Boise State 5-0 1170
7 Ohio State 5-1 1122
8 TCU 5-0 979
9 Cincinnati 5-0 973
10 LSU 5-1 944
11 Miami (FL) 4-1 847
12 Iowa 6-0 785
13 Penn State 5-1 782
14 Oklahoma State 4-1 676
15 Kansas 5-0 640
16 Oregon 5-1 620
17 Nebraska 4-1 491
18 Oklahoma 3-2 447
19 Brigham Young 5-1 441
20 Georgia Tech 5-1 420
21 South Florida 5-0 305
22 South Carolina 5-1 279
23 Houston 4-1 96
24 Missouri 4-1 90
25 Notre Dame 4-1 76
Dropped from rankings: Mississippi 16, Auburn 19, Wisconsin 25
Others receiving votes: Auburn 73, Mississippi 60, Pittsburgh 57, Utah 49, Wisconsin 37, West Virginia 13, Arkansas 12, Oregon State 8, Stanford 8, CENTRL MICHIGAN 7, Michigan 2, North Carolina 1, UCLA 1
Quote from: Berkut on October 11, 2009, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2009, 08:26:08 PM
I'll gladly admit it looked to me like it hit the turf, but i haven't read anything from national or even the few Arizona beat writers saying it was horrible call.
Well...if it hit the turf, then it was a terrible call, no matter what anyone does or does not say. Literally changed the outcome of the game.
indeed it would have been a terrible call, but only person I have heard insisting it was has been you berk :p
Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2009, 11:17:58 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 11, 2009, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2009, 08:26:08 PM
I'll gladly admit it looked to me like it hit the turf, but i haven't read anything from national or even the few Arizona beat writers saying it was horrible call.
Well...if it hit the turf, then it was a terrible call, no matter what anyone does or does not say. Literally changed the outcome of the game.
indeed it would have been a terrible call, but only person I have heard insisting it was has been you berk :p
I am not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying the ball did hit the turf, and yet it was not a terrible call? Those two things don't really add up.
Sigh, must be that ua edumacation.
I said when I was watching game I though it had hit the turf.
But after watching the replays and consensus of writers the only one still saying it hit ground is you.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 11, 2009, 11:16:23 PM
Go Irish, Roll Tide and look out for the Horned Frogs.
The TCU fightin' Timmays?
Quote from: katmai on October 12, 2009, 12:03:03 AM
Sigh, must be that ua edumacation.
I said when I was watching game I though it had hit the turf.
But after watching the replays and consensus of writers the only one still saying it hit ground is you.
Well, that simply isn't the case - ESPN was showing it and said it hit the ground.
And I posted a pic that rather clearly showed the ball on the ground. There is no question that it hit the ground, unless you are claiming the pic is doctored or something.
:lol:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/270240-arizona-washington-5-things-we-learned-this-week (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/270240-arizona-washington-5-things-we-learned-this-week)
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2009, 01:08:49 AM
And I posted a pic that rather clearly showed the ball on the ground. There is no question that it hit the ground, unless you are claiming the pic is doctored or something.
Useless, Berk. He still thinks Santonio Holmes got his other foot down, too.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 12, 2009, 01:46:23 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/270240-arizona-washington-5-things-we-learned-this-week (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/270240-arizona-washington-5-things-we-learned-this-week)
Three out of five really isn't that bad for a journo - especially a sports journo.
Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2009, 11:17:58 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 11, 2009, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2009, 08:26:08 PM
I'll gladly admit it looked to me like it hit the turf, but i haven't read anything from national or even the few Arizona beat writers saying it was horrible call.
Well...if it hit the turf, then it was a terrible call, no matter what anyone does or does not say. Literally changed the outcome of the game.
indeed it would have been a terrible call, but only person I have heard insisting it was has been you berk :p
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/wildcats/312838
Funny, Berk, football must bring out the worst in you - I don't see you as the type to be hanging on a subject and fighting tenaciously for your view.
Quote from: PDH on October 12, 2009, 07:56:07 AM
Funny, Berk, football must bring out the worst in you - I don't see you as the type to be hanging on a subject and fighting tenaciously for your view.
:lol:
My poor Cats cannot catch a break. I think we are cursed for running Tomey out of town.
:) Missing the Desert Swarm...
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2009, 07:59:10 AM
My poor Cats cannot catch a break. I think we are cursed for running Tomey out of town.
The Curse of John Mackovic.
I blame the problems on the fact that Arizona and Az State bolted the original WAC for the promise of Sushi and Leftwing politics in the PAC.
Quote from: Valmy on October 12, 2009, 08:08:09 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2009, 07:59:10 AM
My poor Cats cannot catch a break. I think we are cursed for running Tomey out of town.
The Curse of John Mackovic.
Never heard of him.
The standard for overturning a call on the field is something like "incontrovertible video evidence that the call was incorrect".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Z4Pc5XmlM&fmt=18
The call on the field in this case was 100% correct. Not only is there no way to over-turn it based on the replay, there isn't even any real doubt about it.
I have to wonder what the replay guys are doing. They over-turn this play, and then turn around and do NOT overturn another play, where there was clear proof that the call on the field was wrong, and manage to get both calls wrong.
Pac-10 refs...they have a history of being idiots.
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2009, 10:30:00 AM
I have to wonder what the replay guys are doing.
Right now I'd say they are enjoying the hookers and blow they got from UDub for making those two calls.
Quote from: grumbler on October 12, 2009, 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2009, 10:30:00 AM
I have to wonder what the replay guys are doing.
Right now I'd say they are enjoying the hookers and blow they got from UDub for making those two calls.
:lol:
Hey is everything ok in Wolverineville? I know you are not there but I am wondering if the natives are getting restless.
Quote from: Valmy on October 12, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
:lol:
Hey is everything ok in Wolverineville? I know you are not there but I am wondering if the natives are getting restless.
The bandwagon fans have deserted them. Right now in the Freep forums the Michgan fans are mostly posting on how much Michigan State sucks as a University; I haven't seen anyone call for Rich Rod's head yet.
Quote from: Valmy on October 12, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 12, 2009, 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 12, 2009, 10:30:00 AM
I have to wonder what the replay guys are doing.
Right now I'd say they are enjoying the hookers and blow they got from UDub for making those two calls.
:lol:
Hey is everything ok in Wolverineville? I know you are not there but I am wondering if the natives are getting restless.
The MSU game went about like people should have expected it to; MSU has a great run defense, and UM's freshman quarterback was unable to take advantage of the crappy corners well enough to make MSU back off from stuffing the run. The Iowa game was lost because of poor RR decision-making, but then he is the kind of coach that will do that sometimes, and it comes with the territory.
I'd say the bigger concern for Michigan fans is that the defense gives up bug plays and does not seem to be getting any better. Shades of last year, even with a new DC.
Quote from: Savonarola on October 12, 2009, 04:27:49 PM
The bandwagon fans have deserted them. Right now in the Freep forums the Michgan fans are mostly posting on how much Michigan State sucks as a University; I haven't seen anyone call for Rich Rod's head yet.
You actually read the FreeP forums? I thought only mouthbreathers were ever there.
Quote from: grumbler on October 12, 2009, 08:41:46 PM
and UM's freshman quarterback
That kid's gonna be very fucking dangerous in two years. I know I'm not looking forward to it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 12, 2009, 09:01:07 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 12, 2009, 08:41:46 PM
and UM's freshman quarterback
That kid's gonna be very fucking dangerous in two years. I know I'm not looking forward to it.
If the could teach Denard Robinson, the other Frosh QB, to make better decisions in the throwing game, he could be just as dangerus, if not more so. When you watch him in a game, it is almost like he is in bullet time, reacting and cutting with a quickness that doesn't look humanly possible - and then he can turn on the
speed. He is possibly the fastest person to ever don the Michgan helmet.
Edit: with most freshman QBs a good game is to throw at least as many TDs as interceptions. With Robinson, it is to throw at least as many
completions as interceptions!
So he doesn't see the defensive backfield in bullet time obviously.
After a review of the review, the Pac-10 officials office improves to 50%...not that it matters now.
QuoteConference director of officials Dave Cutaia said there was no irrefutable video evidence to overturn a fourth-quarter touchdown by Huskies linebacker Mason Foster.
Apparently the ball being clearly on the ground is not "irrefutable evidence".
However, they did admit that they fucked up the fumble that led to Lockers TD run:
QuoteCutaia conceded than an overturned first-quarter Washington fumble might have been incorrect because video replay did not prove enough to change it.
I love the totally different standards used on the two plays, that allowed them to make huge calls in favor of one team over the other. In once case, we just ignore the demand for "irrefutable evidence", and hand the ball back to Washington, then in the other case we use the demand for "irrefutable evidence" as cover to justify ignoring irrefutable evidence to hand the ball to Washington.
The Pac-10 needs to end the practice of using local retired officials as their replay guys, and just assign another official to the crew to do replay. Probably the clock as well.
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/wildcats/312981 (http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/wildcats/312981)
So katmai - apparently other people are actually talking about this. Still think that was a legit interception?
Can I interject something?
After carefully reviewing the review I think there is incontrovertible visual evidence that OU sucks.
QuotePaper cuts, lawn darts, soap scum, broken hearts,
AIDS, ants, humidity, John Tesh, stupidity,
Liars, lies, lice, goth,
Priapism, pessimism, the ice monster on Hoth,
The price of gas, the price of rent, "The Price is Right," the plague,
The Unabomber, Jeffrey Dahmer, sinusitis, squeaky brakes,
Out-of-order ATMs, PMS, MSG,
DUI, double-dippers, floods, flies, flats, fleas.
All of these things they suck it's true,
But none suck more than OU.
Going bald, halitosis, infomercials, notes with Post-It®s,
Tom Green, earthquakes, allergies, rats, snakes,
Dead-beat dads, Celine Dion, car dings, "Neon" Deon,
Fabio, rubberneckers, taxes, faxes, non sequiturs,
404 (not found), converting Dollars to British Pounds,
Having back hair, being broke, road rage, religious cults,
Fraud, crack, war, SIDS, DOS, gnats, warts, zits,
Rust, debt, guilt, spam, asbestos and dishpan hands.
All of these things they suck it's true,
But none suck more than OU.
Hanson, Charles Manson, hockey, non-stick pans that stick,
Mistaking cooking powdered chocolate when you want a Nestlé® Quick,
Having to work on holidays, hiccups, jock itch, hurricanes,
Jihad, the fourth "Vacation" movie, L. R. Hubbard, Nazis, pain,
Beggars, bums, and hobos, paparazzi, pop-up ads,
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Chiggers, cheaters, beepers, and dry heaving in the can,
The spins, and dander, and panhandlers, and dandruff, Rather, Dan.
All of these things they suck it's true,
But none suck more than OU.
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Dear Valmy, please email me some deep-fried stuff from the Texas State Fair, love PDH.
Quote from: PDH on October 13, 2009, 08:55:53 AM
Dear Valmy, please email me some deep-fried stuff from the Texas State Fair, love PDH.
I will see what I can do.
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No reason for me not to think it wasn't berk.
Quote from: katmai on October 13, 2009, 10:08:14 AM
No reason for me not to think it wasn't berk.
The picture of the ball on the ground is not reason? What would constitute a reason then - anything?
Previously you said your reason was that nobody else was saying anything about it, despite the rather obvious picture of the ball on the ground. Well, now lots of people have commented on it, so I guess that reason is out.
Is this just straight up homerism - it went in Washington's favor, both of them, therefore they must be fine?
I know I am being kind of a dick about this, but you always struck me as a rather reasonable fan, so I am surprised at the level of denial people, even reasonable people, are willing to go through when it is their team on the receiving end of a blown call that changed the outcome of a game (something that happens a LOT less than people claim, but this is one of those times).
I blame west-coast ennui for this. More sweater-vests are needed.
Quote from: PDH on October 13, 2009, 10:27:20 AM
I blame west-coast ennui for this. More sweater-vests are needed.
Meh, it was a game between two un-ranked Pac-10 teams late at night. Not really surprising nobody really noticed or cared that it exposed the Pac-10 replay system as an utter joke that actually manages to make good calls bad, rather than the opposite.
If Washington beat USC in this manner, you can bet everyone would be going on about it like the OU-OSU game.
Quote from: Berkut on October 13, 2009, 10:31:48 AM
OU-OSU game.
Why would people go on about that game?
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I know the Cowboys, and those, sir, are NOT the Cowboys.
I think Katmai's agreeing with you Berkut, but can't be sure with all those negatives.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 13, 2009, 11:03:02 AM
I think Katmai's agreeing with you Berkut, but can't be sure with all those negatives.
Hmm, I guess that is possible. Not really sure. His tone has been pretty "well, I know we got a gift, but I don't want to admit it..." though.
He didn't not say he was against disagreeing.
Quote from: PDH on October 13, 2009, 10:38:07 AM
I know the Cowboys, and those, sir, are NOT the Cowboys.
Here is some hot cowboy-on-cowboy action:
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God bless all the red x's so I can't see that.
Quote from: PDH on October 13, 2009, 12:18:27 PM
God bless all the red x's so I can't see that.
Weird. I wonder why it wont show up...
Anyway it was a Wyoming vs. Oklahoma State pic.
http://www.barrysanders.info/images/sanders-osu.jpg
Quote from: grumbler on October 12, 2009, 08:43:53 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on October 12, 2009, 04:27:49 PM
The bandwagon fans have deserted them. Right now in the Freep forums the Michgan fans are mostly posting on how much Michigan State sucks as a University; I haven't seen anyone call for Rich Rod's head yet.
You actually read the FreeP forums? I thought only mouthbreathers were ever there.
The FREEP forums are great. They're filled with opinionated posters who write virulent arguments on subjects they clearly do not understand. It amuses me greatly. :)
Quote from: Savonarola on October 13, 2009, 02:41:41 PM
The FREEP forums are great. They're filled with opinionated posters who write virulent arguments on subjects they clearly do not understand. It amuses me greatly. :)
People who post on forums like that are so pathetic.
Berkie, I haven't read any of your links to Arizona paper as it keeps asking me to register :P
And since I haven't read them I have not seen reports of it being a blown call, the national writers (about 4-6 writers ontheir blogs) who have mentioned the game the validity of the int call hasn't been brought up.
The thing is Huskies fans are in same boat as there were a few calls that were badly done by the big east crew in uw-nd game.
Quote from: katmai on October 13, 2009, 03:53:48 PMThe thing is Huskies fans are in same boat as there were a few calls that were badly done by the big east crew in uw-nd game.
Oh, bullshit. That game was on the level all around.
See if I took the berkut route I would say that is blatant golden dome homerism from my papist compadres :P
Quote from: katmai on October 13, 2009, 04:07:29 PM
See if I took the berkut route I would say that is blatant golden dome homerism from my papist compadres :P
But see, you don't take the Berkut route, so you don't have to say that. ;)
Quote from: katmai on October 13, 2009, 03:53:48 PM
Berkie, I haven't read any of your links to Arizona paper as it keeps asking me to register :P
And since I haven't read them I have not seen reports of it being a blown call, the national writers (about 4-6 writers ontheir blogs) who have mentioned the game the validity of the int call hasn't been brought up.
The thing is Huskies fans are in same boat as there were a few calls that were badly done by the big east crew in uw-nd game.
You saw the picture I psoted though. The one that shows the ball lying there on the ground.
TEd Millers latest blog mentions the call, and the fact that it is controversial, and I already stated that two ESPN guys said the ball hit the ground.
I guess I could be lying about all this though, and maybe I doctored the picture, so you have no reason to imagine that it might have been incomplete.
Quote from: katmai on October 13, 2009, 03:53:48 PM
The thing is Huskies fans are in same boat as there were a few calls that were badly done by the big east crew in uw-nd game.
Yeah, it is interesting that they are so capable of such bald faced hypocrisy on the issue. Kind of sad that you are following along with the herd though, you normally seem so level headed.
Quote from: katmai on October 13, 2009, 04:07:29 PM
See if I took the berkut route I would say that is blatant golden dome homerism from my papist compadres :P
And you would be right.
Quote from: Berkut on October 13, 2009, 04:10:34 PM
You saw the picture I psoted though. The one that shows the ball lying there on the ground.
TEd Millers latest blog mentions the call, and the fact that it is controversial, and I already stated that two ESPN guys said the ball hit the ground.
I guess I could be lying about all this though, and maybe I doctored the picture, so you have no reason to imagine that it might have been incomplete.
I can't see the picture now, but from yesterday it seemed plausible that the ball was touching the guy's foot...
Quote from: Barrister on October 13, 2009, 04:16:50 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 13, 2009, 04:10:34 PM
You saw the picture I psoted though. The one that shows the ball lying there on the ground.
TEd Millers latest blog mentions the call, and the fact that it is controversial, and I already stated that two ESPN guys said the ball hit the ground.
I guess I could be lying about all this though, and maybe I doctored the picture, so you have no reason to imagine that it might have been incomplete.
I can't see the picture now, but from yesterday it seemed plausible that the ball was touching the guy's foot...
It isn't plausible, it is certain it is touching his foot.
It is also certain it is touching the ground.
Hehe, apparently this actually isn't the worst call the stripes have ever decided to gift UW with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O1QGjGFYlg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O1QGjGFYlg)
Just...wow.
At least OSU won that game anyway.
Looks like a good call to me.
Quote from: katmai on October 14, 2009, 02:49:06 PM
Looks like a good call to me.
Pffft. He was clearly reaching forward to lay the ball past the goal line, not losing the football and didn't lose control until well after he was down.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 14, 2009, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 14, 2009, 02:49:06 PM
Looks like a good call to me.
Pffft. He was clearly reaching forward to lay the ball past the goal line, not losing the football and didn't lose control until well after he was down.
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If you made that joke it would be sarcasm. If Katmai made it(assuming he was joking) it's something else. Playing up his UW homerism.
See berkie got it.
Though I can always stand looking at her boobs.
My Tivo recorded the 1998 WVU-Syracuse game last weekend (I guess they had that on because of the WVU-'Cuse game) & I watched it last night. One hell of a game: Donovan McNabb vs. Marc Bulger-- also Rob Konrad, Amos Zereoue, & Anthony Becht.
Almost forgot how solid Syracuse's program was before they became such a joke.
Heh, I watched the 2002 Ohio State-Purdue Holy Buckeye game the other day. Nugent, Jenkins, Chris Gamble, Matt Wilhelm. I miss the old days. :cry:
A mere 2 days and two hours until the annual OU beatdown
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Boomer Sooner!
For tomorrow's game (in Bloomington):
Saturday
Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 40s. North winds 5 to 15 mph.
Ah, football weather. If I can keep my nuts warm, I might be able to watch two mediocre teams buttfuck each other.
yay. I better get a MFFF out of this.
Damn it's warmer here than there :P
Quote from: katmai on October 16, 2009, 04:28:22 PM
Damn it's warmer here than there :P
The malaise has set in here, weather wise.
No shit, drizzling rain in the 40s. I'd rather have it colder with snow.
God I hate Oklahoma.
Anyone have predictions for the Notre Dame-USC game? I'm anticipating another USC blowout. Teams that have emus for quaterbacks just don't cut it.
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Pitt is 6-1 after their win at Rutgers. Dion Lewis went for 180 yds, two touchdowns (915 yds in 192 attempts, 6 games - not bad, I guess, for a freshman).
Quote from: Syt on October 17, 2009, 08:58:35 AM
Pitt is 6-1 after their win at Rutgers. Dion Lewis went for 180 yds, two touchdowns (915 yds in 192 attempts, 6 games - not bad, I guess, for a freshman).
Did you settle on Pitt as your team to root for?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 17, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 17, 2009, 08:58:35 AM
Pitt is 6-1 after their win at Rutgers. Dion Lewis went for 180 yds, two touchdowns (915 yds in 192 attempts, 6 games - not bad, I guess, for a freshman).
Did you settle on Pitt as your team to root for?
Seeing how all my other teams are from The Pitt ... yes. Now if I could only become interested in hockey.
Of course I'm stuck with ESPN post match clips this way instead of live coverage. Tonight I get Oklahoma at Texas, Arkansas at Florida.
Quote from: Syt on October 17, 2009, 09:09:25 AM
Tonight I get Oklahoma at Texas, Arkansas at Florida.
And a fine line-up that is, my friend.
Are you going to be able to catch NBC for the USC-Notre Dame game?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2009, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 17, 2009, 09:09:25 AM
Tonight I get Oklahoma at Texas, Arkansas at Florida.
And a fine line-up that is, my friend.
Are you going to be able to catch NBC for the USC-Notre Dame game?
Nope, I'm entirely at ESPN America's (part of my cable package) mercy on that:
http://www.espnamerica.com/portal/systemcontent/tvschedule
(For NFL they'll usually have the coverage from CBS or FOX etc. with four live games and others "as live" in the next couple days)
Oh wow Bradford hurt his shoulder again.
Hey guys, I know there are plenty of good games to choose from today, but don't forget about the Friends of Coal Bowl at 3:30 :lol: WVU is favored over the Blundering Turds by 21.
Man, Tejas is lucky to only be down by 6, with the way they've been dominated so far.
Quote from: derspiess on October 17, 2009, 11:55:33 AM
Man, Tejas is lucky to only be down by 6, with the way they've been dominated so far.
What? They turned it over three times and nearly fumbled again inside the 1 right before half. If that is how OU dominates people I guess it is no wonder they cannot win a BCS game :P
Oklahoma is lucky to still be ahead by three considering how shitty they are playing.
But both teams are playing shitty. This game is a total abortion I apologize to the nation on behalf of both teams. I now have to wash my eyes out so I can endure the second half.
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2009, 01:23:48 PMI now have to wash my eyes out so I can endure the second half.
Stop lying. You watch the Redskins. You're used to shitfest football games. ^_^
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 17, 2009, 01:27:58 PM
Stop lying. You watch the Redskins. You're used to shitfest football games. ^_^
Well at least the other team usually looks good against the Redskins :P
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2009, 01:32:02 PM
Well at least the other team usually looks good against the Redskins :P
:lol:
Edit: But really, it's too bad about Sam Bradford, and the game does suck so far, in a hilarious kind of way. I wonder if they just brought Sam back too soon or what (probably). I also wonder if the Horns are going to do their usual thing and actually show up in the second half.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 17, 2009, 01:32:52 PM
But really, it's too bad about Sam Bradford.
That was a mercy killing. Now he doesn't have to play in the game!
OU has -27 yards rushing, both teams have 72 total yards of offense. Got to love it.
They just like....doubled their total offense in these last few plays. :lol:
And its tied at 6.
Krenzel! You must return and save us from this moron. :(
I want to watch the Ohio State upset in progress, but unsurprisingly, I do not get the Big 10 network on basic cable in Florida.
Texas second-half surge in progress and on schedule.
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 17, 2009, 02:03:02 PM
Texas second-half surge in progress and on schedule.
Yep. Hopefully OU will continue to play bad and Texas can pull away. 13-6 now.
Quote from: stjaba on October 17, 2009, 01:56:17 PM
I want to watch the Ohio State upset in progress, but unsurprisingly, I do not get the Big 10 network on basic cable in Florida.
Well here's what's happening in case you couldn't guess: The Terrell Pryor Experiment (R) has once again failed to get any traction.
The defense is, as usual, not to blame.
Tied at 13 going into the 4th...Texas driving...
wow I am nervous.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2009, 02:09:50 PM
Quote from: stjaba on October 17, 2009, 01:56:17 PM
I want to watch the Ohio State upset in progress, but unsurprisingly, I do not get the Big 10 network on basic cable in Florida.
Well here's what's happening in case you couldn't guess: The Terrell Pryor Experiment (R) has once again failed to get any traction.
The defense is, as usual, not to blame.
It is kinda funny that all the OSU fans were all "in yer face" to UM when OSU landed Pryor instead of UM. The worst thing OSU could have done was "win" that bidding war.
Quote from: grumbler on October 17, 2009, 02:37:17 PM
[It is kinda funny that all the OSU fans were all "in yer face" to UM when OSU landed Pryor instead of UM. The worst thing OSU could have done was "win" that bidding war.
Also Pryor would be much better suited to Rich Rod's running option offense.
They need to go back to the Zwick/Boeckmen/Chad Henne style QBs. These guys are great athletes but the main thing they do is give you the chance to capitalize when you get lucky. You can't rely on luck. I mean, look how awesome JaMarcus and Vince are doing in the NFL. <_<
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
I mean, look how awesome JaMarcus and Vince are doing in the NFL. <_<
FUck you dude. Vince led the nation in pass efficiency and was nails in the clutch. You can give him shit for not developing in the NFL but when he first went into the league he took the Titans from 0-5 to 8-8. YOu are just being a little bitch...and why? Still bitter over the '05 game?
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2009, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
I mean, look how awesome JaMarcus and Vince are doing in the NFL. <_<
FUck you dude. Vince led the nation in pass efficiency and was nails in the clutch. You can give him shit for not developing in the NFL but when he first went into the league he took the Titans from 0-5 to 8-8. YOu are just being a little bitch...and why? Still bitter over the '05 game?
LOL No. I just don't like this style of offense. I got nothing against your boy.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2009, 02:54:22 PM
LOL No. I just don't like this style of offense. I got nothing against your boy.
Oh...yeah sorry this Texas-OU game has me high stung. Colt just had thrown a really ugly INT.
Fortunately OU threw one back and now Texas just needs to run out the clock.
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2009, 02:52:34 PM
FUck you dude. Vince led the nation in pass efficiency and was nails in the clutch. You can give him shit for not developing in the NFL but when he first went into the league he took the Titans from 0-5 to 8-8. YOu are just being a little bitch...and why? Still bitter over the '05 game?
Damn Valmy.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 17, 2009, 02:55:58 PM
Damn Valmy.
Don't post while watching football :P
Anyway I am happy now.
Seriously though I don't need to hear about that Vince Young was a bad college player simply because he mentally melted down after his second season in the NFL.
Anyway first down for Colt! They almost have it...
:punk:
Further as far as "that kind of offense" is concerned the Titans do not run that kind of offense. They want Vince Young to become a Peyton Manning sorta QB and much to my chagrin he clearly doesn't have it...or at least might have it if he was not so unstable mentally. So saying you are against the spread offense and using for proof how poorly spread offense QBs do in the pro-set doesn't even make any sense.
Oh and Texas wins! OU SUCKS!
:punk:
Nah, it's just that that style of offense is far more effective at lower levels where people make more mistakes and there are more skill mismatches. Super-athlete QBs can really take advantage of lucky breaks and skill mismatches. Those things don't come along as much at the higher levels so they have to be polished.
That's why I think Tressell made a mistake starting Pryor before he was ready. Colt, for example, is the kind of QB I'd love to have as the starter. He's polished, smart and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. He doesn't need lucky breaks to exploit because he can consistently produce results even when the opposition is playing well. This year's Texas team is better than the one that beat USC in the Rose Bowl, IMO.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2009, 03:26:07 PM
This year's Texas team is better than the one that beat USC in the Rose Bowl, IMO.
Well that is not true because the team in 2005 won because it had an amazingly talented offensive line that just flatened people with the ground game. This years offensive line is not playing to that level yet and Colt has just been stuggling with the flu for a month and has been sluggish and sickly all year. By the end of the season you might be right I feel like they are alot closer than their level of play indicates so far.
I am totally in agreement with you that Pryor is not the right sort of QB for Ohio State but if they are going to have guys like Pryor play QB they need to go to a more spread option sort of offense. If they are not then yeah they need guys like Krenzel.
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 17, 2009, 03:18:24 PM
:punk:
That was a hard, defensive, emotional, and mistake filled game. I am really drained.
Here is the final damage:
311 total yards for OU, -16 rushing
269 total yards for Texas, 142 rushing
OU had 10 penalties for 125 yards
Texas had 11 penalties for 103 yards
OU had 5 turnovers
Texas had 3 turnovers
Just an ugly game and two powerful defenses. Fittingly the end came with a rough penalty that gave Texas the clinching 1st down.
The best part is Texas has won 4 of 5 against Oklahoma. Remember when Mack Brown couldn't beat Bob Stoops?
I do feel bad about Bradford, it did not look bad at the time but aparantly he has the same injury he had against BYU and will probably be out for the season.
Man...tough loss by Wyoming PDH. Sorry man I really thought they could pull that one out.
The true freshman QB looked like a true freshman...sad...
Oh well, now UWyo just has to beat one of the big 3 and SDSU...guess the team ain't goin bowling...
Quote from: PDH on October 17, 2009, 04:19:17 PM
The true freshman QB looked like a true freshman...sad...
Oh well, now UWyo just has to beat one of the big 3 and SDSU...guess the team ain't goin bowling...
Or SDSU and Colorado State...
After last week's game it really looked like Nevada had hit their stride and they might actually end up being the team that upsets Boise. Now I'm not so sure.
Notre Dame proved it can run with the big boys. There is no dishonor in this loss.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2009, 06:35:03 PM
Notre Dame proved it can run with the big boys. There is no dishonor in this loss.
Yeah that was a hell of a comeback...I just wish there had been a few more seconds on the clock.
So the Gators decided to show up to play some football in the 4th quarter.
Quote from: Fireblade on October 17, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
So the Gators decided to show up to play some football in the 4th quarter.
Did you watch the 4th quarter? Let me just say I think Arkansas got robbed.
Well that and Arkansas has a bad kicker.
Speaking of playing some football, Texas A&M is a 5.5 point favorite against Kansas State and are presently BEHIND 59-0.
Yes Kansas State 59 Texas A&M 0
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2009, 08:22:56 PM
Speaking of playing some football, Texas A&M is a 5.5 point favorite against Kansas State and are presently BEHIND 59-0.
Yes Kansas State 59 Texas A&M 0
:)
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2009, 08:22:56 PM
Speaking of playing some football, Texas A&M is a 5.5 point favorite against Kansas State and are presently BEHIND 59-0.
Yes Kansas State 59 Texas A&M 0
You can't be serious. If Mike Sherman had any honor at all, he would be commiting ritual Hara-Kiri.
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2009, 08:21:45 PM
Did you watch the 4th quarter? Let me just say I think Arkansas got robbed.
Lulz.
Quote
Well that and Arkansas has a bad kicker.
Well, a kicker would've helped.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2009, 06:35:03 PM
Notre Dame proved it can run with the big boys. There is no dishonor in this loss.
Yep, congrats on the loss. Not even ND's traditional rank inflation will keep them in the top 25 now :)
Quote from: derspiess on October 17, 2009, 09:13:31 PM
Not even ND's traditional rank inflation will keep them in the top 25 now :)
Heh, the next win versus East Bumbfuck Teacher's College will solve that. :P
Grats berkie to cats big comeback win over the fighting Garbons.
Quote from: katmai on October 17, 2009, 10:09:16 PM
Grats berkie to cats big comeback win over the fighting Garbons.
Jesus, I almost quit watching Arizona forever over that game. What happened to our defense? Harbaugh made Mark Stoops look like a fool.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
They need to go back to the Zwick/Boeckmen/Chad Henne style QBs. These guys are great athletes but the main thing they do is give you the chance to capitalize when you get lucky. You can't rely on luck. I mean, look how awesome JaMarcus and Vince are doing in the NFL. <_<
I would agree that, if the role f the Michigan football team was to groom QBs for the NFL, they should revert to being a mediocre team that puts every QB into the NFL. Most of the Michigan fans, though, feel that the role of the team is to do as well as possible in the college game. Hence the desire to move on from Lloyd Carr's consistent 9-3 or 8-4 program. The spread clearly can win in college, as Florida has shown (if you haven't been following the news, they have won a lots of games in the last 4 years).
Oh, and I find it utterly disheartening that Michigan played Delaware State today. Bill Martin had promised that ASU (scheduled at the last minute when Oklahoma State backed out of the game) would be the only Div-1AA team Michigan would schedule; less than two years later, he schedules DSU. His cred has dropped to zero with me. I am thinking Michigan will now stoop to the level of playing one every year. :mad:
Quote from: Berkut on October 17, 2009, 10:23:22 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 17, 2009, 10:09:16 PM
Grats berkie to cats big comeback win over the fighting Garbons.
Jesus, I almost quit watching Arizona forever over that game. What happened to our defense? Harbaugh made Mark Stoops look like a fool.
Harbaugh is gonna be a major-power coach somewehere soon. I sure wish Michigan had picked him and not RichRod.
Quote from: grumbler on October 17, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
Oh, and I find it utterly disheartening that Michigan played Delaware State today. Bill Martin had promised that ASU (scheduled at the last minute when Oklahoma State backed out of the game) would be the only Div-1AA team Michigan would schedule; less than two years later, he schedules DSU. His cred has dropped to zero with me. I am thinking Michigan will now stoop to the level of playing one every year. :mad:
yeah sadly sarkisian and uw ad have after cancelling a home and home with byu, agreed to a series with a d1-aa washington school :(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2009, 08:59:33 PM
Lulz.
Arkansas had a chance to win and blew it...but come on those two 15 yarders were pretty ridiculous penalties.
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2009, 10:47:26 PM
but come on those two 15 yarders were pretty ridiculous penalties.
You got a lot of nerve talking to me about ridiculous penalties.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2009, 10:53:05 PM
You got a lot of nerve talking to me about ridiculous penalties.
Maybe Florida is the New England Patriots of the SEC? :o
So, anybody think the Roll Timmys will be #1 next week?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 17, 2009, 11:22:54 PM
So, anybody think the Roll Timmys will be #1 next week?
Nah I don't think Bama looked that much better than Florida this week.
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2009, 11:42:08 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 17, 2009, 11:22:54 PM
So, anybody think the Roll Timmys will be #1 next week?
Nah I don't think Bama looked that much better than Florida this week.
I don't know. I think Florida will stay 1 in the coach's poll, but I could see it being close in the AP. The AP voters have been pretty pro-active this year, elevating teams much more quickly than in the past. Aside from who's no. 1, I think Iowa and Cincy are both going to pretty high tomorrow. There aren't any more undefeated pretenders, unless there's some non-BCS team I'm unaware of.
Quote from: stjaba on October 18, 2009, 12:01:48 AM
There aren't any more undefeated pretenders, unless there's some non-BCS team I'm unaware of.
TCU
Boise State
Cincinnati
Florida
Alabama
Iowa
Texas
are the remaining unbeatens.
Really the top 4 should be:
Florida
Alabama
Texas
Iowa
until they get bumped off. Having USC above Iowa after they lost to Washington is a real head scratcher to me at least with VTech their only loss was to Bama but now with them out of the way...
Quote from: Valmy on October 18, 2009, 12:13:55 AM
Really the top 4 should be:
Florida
Alabama
Texas
Iowa
until they get bumped off. Having USC above Iowa after they lost to Washington is a real head scratcher to me at least with VTech their only loss was to Bama but now with them out of the way...
Do you honestly think Iowa is better than USC?
Yeah, at this point it's still about expectations quite a bit. If Iowa goes unbeaten they should be atop USC, but they will probably be underdogs against Ohio St.
grrrr
Fucking Pryor.
Quote from: sbr on October 18, 2009, 12:50:37 AM
Do you honestly think Iowa is better than USC?
Do I think Iowa is capable of beating Washington? Yep.
I watched the Notre Dame and Ohio State games I haven't seen anything to suggest USC is so great they deserve a mulligan.
Quote from: Valmy on October 18, 2009, 10:58:52 AM
Quote from: sbr on October 18, 2009, 12:50:37 AM
Do you honestly think Iowa is better than USC?
Do I think Iowa is capable of beating Washington? Yep.
I watched the Notre Dame and Ohio State games I haven't seen anything to suggest USC is so great they deserve a mulligan.
Nice try but you didn't answer my question. I wasn't asking about Washington, I was asking about Iowa and USC.
Quote from: sbr on October 18, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
Nice try but you didn't answer my question. I wasn't asking about Washington, I was asking about Iowa and USC.
Sorry, he did answer your question - he clearly was saying that Iowa has a better record, and in the BCS world that should count more than pre-ordained glamor points if we are supposed to be having a real national champion. USC's loss was awful (sorry Kat), and it should drag them down more than their reputation lifts them up.
Big ten sucks
Quote from: katmai on October 18, 2009, 02:09:12 PM
Big ten sucks
Yeah, and Iowa hasn't faced the main conference heavyweight yet.
Don't worry, if Iowa wins out they'll be ahead of USC. A perfect record just doesn't have the same luster halfway through the season as it does at the end.
BCS standings:
Quote1 Florida 6-0
2 Alabama 7-0
3 Texas 6-0
4 Boise State 6-0
5 Cincinnati 6-0
6 Iowa 7-0
7 USC 5-1
8 TCU 6-0
9 LSU 5-1
10 Miami (FL) 5-1
11 Oregon 5-1
12 Georgia Tech 6-1
13 Penn State 6-1
14 Virginia Tech 5-2
15 Oklahoma State 5-1
16 Brigham Young 6-1
17 Houston 5-1
18 Utah 5-1
19 Ohio State 5-2
20 Pittsburgh 6-1
21 Wisconsin 5-2
22 Arizona 4-2
23 West Virginia 5-1
24 South Carolina 5-2
25 Kansas 5-1
Nothing there I can disagree with too strongly. I think TCU will finish ahead of Boise for the consolation BCS slot if they both win out. Iowa is well placed to finish in the top 2 should Texas or the two SEC giants falter.
AP Poll: The Crimson Timmehs are #1!
Quote1 Alabama (39) 7-0 1447
2 Florida (20) 6-0 1434
3 Texas 6-0 1365
4 USC 5-1 1213
5 Cincinnati 6-0 1163
6 Boise State 6-0 1156
7 Iowa 7-0 1092
8 Miami (FL) 5-1 1056
9 LSU 5-1 1014
10 TCU 6-0 1001
11 Georgia Tech 6-1 861
12 Oregon 5-1 849
13 Penn State 6-1 753
14 Oklahoma State 5-1 690
15 Virginia Tech 5-2 684
16 Brigham Young 6-1 601
17 Houston 5-1 478
18 Ohio State 5-2 373
19 Utah 5-1 350
20 Pittsburgh 6-1 330
21 Texas Tech 5-2 286
22 West Virginia 5-1 205
23 South Carolina 5-2 159
24 Kansas 5-1 120
25 Oklahoma 3-3 117
Quote from: Valmy on October 18, 2009, 06:23:11 PM
Nothing there I can disagree with too strongly. I think TCU will finish ahead of Boise for the consolation BCS slot if they both win out. Iowa is well placed to finish in the top 2 should Texas or the two SEC giants falter.
I bet TCU gets dicked out of the BCS game if they win out (and that is a big if, it is much tougher for them), simply because...the Moutain West is the conference kicking up the fuss.
I am somewhat heartened to see teams that have had the guts to schedule tough NC games get credit for that, even if they lost them. VT and OSU have essentially gotten props for playing Alabama and USC, respectively, being ranked ahead of some decent one-loss teams. I am not sure why 3-3 Oklahoma is still in the top-25, though. They have lost close games, it is true, but they lost them. Their wins are against Baylor, Tulsa, and Idaho State.
Quote from: grumbler on October 18, 2009, 06:58:53 PM
They have lost close games, it is true, but they lost them. Their wins are against Baylor, Tulsa, and Idaho State.
It is because they are named Oklahoma. When they were 2-1 and had beaten Tulsa and Idaho State there were stories on ESPN about how they were back in the championship hunt.
I totally agree with what you said about tougher NC scheduling. I mean at least put one good team on the schedule.
Quote from: Valmy on October 18, 2009, 07:14:19 PM
I totally agree with what you said about tougher NC scheduling. I mean at least put one good team on the schedule.
Yeah, like going to Laramie.
He said good team you mountain west puke!
Quote from: grumbler on October 18, 2009, 06:58:53 PMTheir wins are against Baylor, Tulsa, and Idaho State.
There's a big boost having a Heisman winner on the squad.
Quote from: katmai on October 18, 2009, 07:25:12 PM
He said good team you mountain west puke!
Don't be hating on the real UDub.
Quote from: PDH on October 18, 2009, 08:07:10 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 18, 2009, 07:25:12 PM
He said good team you mountain west puke!
Don't be hating on the real UDub.
we would at least score on air force :rolleyes:
Quote from: katmai on October 18, 2009, 08:13:01 PM
we would at least score on air force :rolleyes:
You suited up, eh Tim?
Quote from: PDH on October 18, 2009, 08:13:36 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 18, 2009, 08:13:01 PM
we would at least score on air force :rolleyes:
You suited up, eh Tim?
hey I spent time and money at the university so yeah it's we.
Quote from: Valmy on October 18, 2009, 06:23:11 PM
BCS standings:
Quote1 Florida 6-0
2 Alabama 7-0
3 Texas 6-0
4 Boise State 6-0
5 Cincinnati 6-0
6 Iowa 7-0
7 USC 5-1
8 TCU 6-0
9 LSU 5-1
10 Miami (FL) 5-1
11 Oregon 5-1
12 Georgia Tech 6-1
13 Penn State 6-1
14 Virginia Tech 5-2
15 Oklahoma State 5-1
16 Brigham Young 6-1
17 Houston 5-1
18 Utah 5-1
19 Ohio State 5-2
20 Pittsburgh 6-1
21 Wisconsin 5-2
22 Arizona 4-2
23 West Virginia 5-1
24 South Carolina 5-2
25 Kansas 5-1
Nothing there I can disagree with too strongly. I think TCU will finish ahead of Boise for the consolation BCS slot if they both win out. Iowa is well placed to finish in the top 2 should Texas or the two SEC giants falter.
I think it's important to actually post the points values as well, as there are substantial drop offs between Alabama, Texas, and Boise State, as well as a a log jam between Cincy, Iowa and USC.
Grats to zona for making it in 25.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 18, 2009, 08:51:38 PM
I think it's important to actually post the points values as well, as there are substantial drop offs between Alabama, Texas, and Boise State, as well as a a log jam between Cincy, Iowa and USC.
Sorry ESPN didn't have them yet. Here they are pulled from the official BCS site:
1. Florida (6-0) .9886
2. Alabama (7-0) .9526
3. Texas (6-0) .8911
4. Boise State (6-0) .8083
5. Cincinnati (6-0) .7870
6. Iowa (7-0) .7869
7. USC (5-1) .7695
8. Texas Christian (6-0) .7139
9. LSU (5-1) .7083
10. Miami (Fla.) (5-1) .6273
11. Oregon (5-1) .5849
12. Georgia Tech (6-1) .5702
13. Penn State (6-1) .4982
14. Virginia Tech (5-2) .4947
15. Oklahoma State (5-1) .4043
16. Brigham Young (6-1) .2986
17. Houston (5-1) .2660
18. Utah (5-1) .2511
19. Ohio State (5-2) .2216
20. Pittsburgh (6-1) .2012
21. Wisconsin (5-2) .1180
22. Arizona (4-2) .1138
23. West Virginia (5-1) .1113
24. South Carolina (5-2) .1040
25. Kansas (5-1) .0973
Quote from: katmai on October 18, 2009, 08:54:08 PM
Grats to zona for making it in 25.
Stop that - you can be nice all you want, but I can never root for the Huskies again.
Unless they are playing ASU.
Quote from: Berkut on October 18, 2009, 09:30:30 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 18, 2009, 08:54:08 PM
Grats to zona for making it in 25.
Stop that - you can be nice all you want, but I can never root for the Huskies again.
Unless they are playing ASU.
you had to Bring that schools name up didn't you?!?
:cry:
Quote from: grumbler on October 17, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
Oh, and I find it utterly disheartening that Michigan played Delaware State today. Bill Martin had promised that ASU (scheduled at the last minute when Oklahoma State backed out of the game) would be the only Div-1AA team Michigan would schedule; less than two years later, he schedules DSU.
What makes it even worse, is that apparantly to take the Michigan game, Delaware State pulled out of a scheduled
conference game, so it counts as a forfeit in their conference record. I know that 1-AA teams take these games for the $$$, but damn, forfeiting a conference game? The Delaware State AD should be shot.
Quote from: dps on October 18, 2009, 10:26:27 PM
What makes it even worse, is that apparantly to take the Michigan game, Delaware State pulled out of a scheduled conference game, so it counts as a forfeit in their conference record. I know that 1-AA teams take these games for the $$$, but damn, forfeiting a conference game? The Delaware State AD should be shot.
Del State's athletics program is a joke, as is the MEAC. Might as well take the $$ & give the kids a chance to play in the Big House, both of which by far outweigh the consequences.
Anywho, WVU is ranked :punk:
Odd that it came after a not-easy win over Marshall, but I'll take it. And Cincinnati is #5. As the Big East standard bearers, I hope they do well but they will plummet like a rock when they lose to either WVU, UCONN or Pitt.
Quote from: dps on October 18, 2009, 10:26:27 PM
What makes it even worse, is that apparantly to take the Michigan game, Delaware State pulled out of a scheduled conference game, so it counts as a forfeit in their conference record. I know that 1-AA teams take these games for the $$$, but damn, forfeiting a conference game? The Delaware State AD should be shot.
I don't think that makes it worse.
Because it could not
be worse. If it could be worse, it would be.
Quote from: dps on October 18, 2009, 10:26:27 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 17, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
Oh, and I find it utterly disheartening that Michigan played Delaware State today. Bill Martin had promised that ASU (scheduled at the last minute when Oklahoma State backed out of the game) would be the only Div-1AA team Michigan would schedule; less than two years later, he schedules DSU.
What makes it even worse, is that apparantly to take the Michigan game, Delaware State pulled out of a scheduled conference game, so it counts as a forfeit in their conference record. I know that 1-AA teams take these games for the $$$, but damn, forfeiting a conference game? The Delaware State AD should be shot.
I read an article that said Delaware State made more money for going to Michigan for that game than they would have for their
entire home schedule this year.
Quote from: dps on October 18, 2009, 10:26:27 PM
The Delaware State AD should be shot.
I read that when the deal was struck, Delaware State
did not have an AD. That may help explain the situation.
Quote from: sbr on October 18, 2009, 11:39:05 PM
I read an article that said Delaware State made more money for going to Michigan for that game than they would have for their entire home schedule this year.
Worked for Troy and Fresno State.
Nick Foles has to be the biggest surprise in college football this year.
Lost the competition for the starting QB spot to Matt Scott, a supposedly proto-typical spread QB with great speed and athleticism. Scott was less than impressive in the first three games, so they let Foles start the fourth.
Since then:
1152 yards. 75% completion rating, 9 touchdowns, and 2* interceptions. Really 1 interception, since the one at Washington was off the ground. So really no interceptions, since had they not botched that call, he never would have thrown the hail mary a couple plays later the got picked off.
Saturday against Standford - 40/51, 415 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints.
He is #10 nationally in passing yards, and has only played 3 games.
Un-freaking real. Us Arizona fans don't really know what to make of this.
Imagining how awesome this offense would be if Gronkowski was healthy...
Speaking of things un-freaking real here is a pic from the Texas-OU game:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flh3.ggpht.com%2F_SLHFa7wbkSU%2FStvPZwsAAqI%2FAAAAAAAAF-o%2FYLReUFvGzPE%2Fs800%2F0910_TX-OU-2009_001.jpg&hash=370b07127171f94928693813be159f8d22af9bd5)
How to make your ass as big as Texas!
Berkie-
Glad you can get past the game :P
Quote from: katmai on October 19, 2009, 09:29:01 AM
Berkie-
Glad you can get past the game :P
When Arizona goes to the RB, I will forgive the UDub fans, and by extension their program.
It is rude to spurn a gift.
I'd much rather see Cats in there than the Ducks. :yes:
WTF are those prices? 4 dollars for pickles?
i want some fried pickles now. :(
Cajun fried pickle chips :mmm:
Ed: hungry
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2009, 01:20:08 PM
WTF are those prices? 4 dollars for pickles?
It's the state fair. Price gouging at its greatest...but come on where else can you buy fried cookie dough?
Quote from: dps on September 07, 2009, 09:24:22 PM
OK, here are the current records of each conference games (format: conference; record in all non-conference games, record in non-conference games against 1-A opponents (none of that FBS/FCS crap for me); record in non-conference games against teams in BCS AQ conferences*; record against non-conference top 25 opponents).
ACC 4-6; 1-4; 0-4; 0-2
Big East 5-1; 1-1; 0-1; 0-0
Big 10 10-1; 6-1; 1-1; 0-0
Big 12 10-2; 6-2; 3-0; 1-1
Pac 10 6-2; 4-2; 1-1; 0-2
SEC 11-1; 7-1; 3-1; 1-1
CUSA 6-2; 0-2; 0-1; 0-1
MAC 3-10; 2-9; 0-7; 0-1
MWC 6-2; 3-2; 2-2; 2-0
SB 3-5; 1-5; 0-4; 0-2
WAC 3-4; 1-4; 1-3; 1-3
*I counted games against Notre Dame as games again a team in an AQ conference, but not games against Army or Navy. This seems reasonable.
Bonus: 1-A teams that lost to 1-AA opponents: Temple (MAC), Virginia (ACC), Duke (ACC).
Poor ACC. :lol:
I hope I got everthing right here. If anyone sees any mistake, let me know.
I'm curious how it looks now.
Quote from: Valmy on October 19, 2009, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2009, 01:20:08 PM
WTF are those prices? 4 dollars for pickles?
It's the state fair. Price gouging at its greatest...but come on where else can you buy fried cookie dough?
I didn't see any fried cookie dough at either of the Alaska State Fairs I've been to...
But I did have some wonderful fish tacos. :wub:
Quote from: Barrister on October 19, 2009, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 19, 2009, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2009, 01:20:08 PM
WTF are those prices? 4 dollars for pickles?
It's the state fair. Price gouging at its greatest...but come on where else can you buy fried cookie dough?
I didn't see any fried cookie dough at either of the Alaska State Fairs I've been to...
But I did have some wonderful fish tacos. :wub:
No fried cookie dough that i know of, but it is where i get my cajun fried pickle chips :mmm:
The SEC might play the best football but they sure don't officiate the best
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4577932
Quote from: Barrister on October 19, 2009, 04:26:43 PM
I didn't see any fried cookie dough at either of the Alaska State Fairs I've been to...
But I did have some wonderful fish tacos. :wub:
What do they have at the Yukon Territory Fair? Friend Polar Bear?
Now we just need to get Fireblade in this thread yelling at Jaba.
Quote from: Valmy on October 19, 2009, 06:05:08 PM
The SEC might play the best football but they sure don't officiate the best
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4577932
That story doesn't really tell us anything though.
Quote from: sbr on October 18, 2009, 12:50:37 AM
Do you honestly think Iowa is better than USC?
Yes, yes I do. ^_^
And wtf?? Boise State over Iowa?? Oh hell no!
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2009, 06:11:08 PM
Now we just need to get Fireblade in this thread yelling at Jaba.
<_<
I'm definitely skeptical of this year's Florida team. Maybe Arkansas was this year's near miss, or maybe it is harbinger of things to come. I am definitely worried about the South Carolina game. It's on the road, late in the season, and USC has played us tough over the past few years. In 2005, they ruined our chance to win the SEC East with a late season road upset. In 2006, at home, it took a couple blocked field goals to beat the 'Cocks. And of course, there's still Alabama to contend with even if go undefeated. I don't want to take anything for granted. There's been so many surprise upsets over the past few years, nothing would take me by surprise. Even Miss State next week would not totally suprise me. Their head coach is UF's former offensive coordinator. Plus there's history.The state of Mississippi ruined a couple of Zook teams in the early 2000s.
Fear not, Saint Jaba. Tebow uber alles.
Keep the faith, jabs. :hug:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 19, 2009, 08:39:06 PM
Fear not, Saint Jaba. Tebow uber alles.
More like Tebow uber the paltry numbers other teams manage to score on Florida's D. ;)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2009, 08:47:18 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 19, 2009, 08:39:06 PM
Fear not, Saint Jaba. Tebow uber alles.
More like Tebow uber the paltry numbers other teams manage to score on Florida's D. ;)
They better shore up that rushing defense, though. That's the only thing that concerns me. They're lucky they're so athletic on D, a slower defense would be ruined.
Quote from: merithyn on October 19, 2009, 08:17:03 PM
Quote from: sbr on October 18, 2009, 12:50:37 AM
Do you honestly think Iowa is better than USC?
Yes, yes I do. ^_^
And wtf?? Boise State over Iowa?? Oh hell no!
Iowa is the real deal.
They are also a big part of the reason Arizona is #22 in the BCS poll right now.
If we win our next two games (and we should, UCLA and WSU at home), we may very well fall in the BCS rankings. Right now Arizona's SOS is #4 in the country, but it is going to tumble after those two games.
Although WSU is the only Pac-10 team that is ranked below #50 in the country. Pretty impressive.
Lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=admY-bNWo5U
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 20, 2009, 09:53:20 AM
Lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=admY-bNWo5U
I am not laughing! That isn't funny!
I can't tell if Berkie is being sarcastic or not. :blush:
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 20, 2009, 12:37:36 PM
I can't tell if Berkie is being sarcastic or not. :blush:
Nor I. I cannot tell if the Gopher is mocking the player or honoring his gesture, either. My guess would be the former, of course, given who he is and the high-five he does immediately after that.
Quote from: AJCThe SEC on Wednesday suspended the officiating crew that worked the Oct. 3 Georgia-LSU football game, which was marked by a controversial excessive-celebration penalty that the league later disavowed.
The suspension came after the SEC found that the same crew incorrectly called a personal-foul penalty late in Saturday's Florida-Arkansas game.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/uga/sec-suspends-georgia-lsu-168860.html
They just happen to be calls in favor of the media's favored teams.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 22, 2009, 12:23:30 PM
They just happen to be calls in favor of the media's favored teams.
That is simply ignorant. Do you really think officials are out there just making shit up because they love the media so much?
Quote from: Berkut on October 22, 2009, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 22, 2009, 12:23:30 PM
They just happen to be calls in favor of the media's favored teams.
That is simply ignorant. Do you really think officials are out there just making shit up because they love the media so much?
No?
TIME FOR COLLEGE BALL FUCK YEA
:lol: Nebraska with 5 turnovers now. They're losing to Iowa State 9-7 in the worstbest game ever.
Edit: Make that 6. 7.
You know it's a boring college football day when the premier game is a battle for Mountain West supremacy.
Quote from: stjaba on October 24, 2009, 02:50:53 PM
You know it's a boring college football day when the premier game is a battle for Mountain West supremacy.
Fuck you. Beats the hell out of a game for Big East or ACC supremacy.
WVU beat UCONN 28-24 but sure didn't deserve it.
Quote from: stjaba on October 24, 2009, 02:50:53 PM
You know it's a boring college football day when the premier game is a battle for Mountain West supremacy.
Yeah, there are some snoozers listed today, PDH's anti-east coast bias notwithstanding.
Yeah, UConn should've won it, but they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Hahaha 8 turnovers. Iowa State is gonna take some knees and win a game in Lincoln.
Pryor wants to pass to Posey on every down. If I noticed, then I'm sure RichRod and JoePa will.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 24, 2009, 03:08:23 PM
Pryor wants to pass to Posey on every down. If I noticed, then I'm sure RichRod and JoePa will.
Poor old
Johnny Knoxville Sanzenbacher is always ignored.
Washington has Oregon right where they want them.
And Penn State is ripping Michigan's defense apart in the early going here.
Edit: UM seems to do better when they rush more.
Edit2: And there they go again. Only the D-line rushing, and everyone else in zone--PSU TD.
You know for being a league where scoring touchdowns is so hard the SEC sure has shitty field goal kickers. You would think getting one of those would be your #1 priority.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 04:24:00 PM
You know for being a league where scoring touchdowns is so hard the SEC sure has shitty field goal kickers. You would think getting one of those would be your #1 priority.
Need to do what texas tech did. Grab a kid out of the stands.
*pops corn for the Iowa/Minnesota game*
I swear could Arkansas' and Tennessee's special teams be any more pathetic? I have seen High Schools kick better than those teams.
Anyway congrats to Bama on winning 12-10 at home thanks to three missed Vol field goals.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 06:10:06 PM
Anyway congrats to Bama on winning 12-10 at home thanks to three missed Vol field goals.
I hope all those voters who moved Alabama over Florida because Florida played a close game with Arkansas last week move Florida ahead of Alabama this week because they barely beat UT. Assuming of course, Florida beats MSU.
Clemson knocks off Miami 40-37 in OT. :)
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 24, 2009, 06:42:39 PM
Clemson knocks off Miami 40-37 in OT. :)
I haven't seen any college OT games this year. Are they still using that gay alternating possessions thing?
Yep
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 24, 2009, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 24, 2009, 06:42:39 PM
Clemson knocks off Miami 40-37 in OT. :)
I haven't seen any college OT games this year. Are they still using that gay alternating possessions thing?
Yep. Less gay than the NFL OT system though.
My preferred system: rule that each team gets a minimum of one possession, and only 2 point conversion allowed. That way, if a team wins the coin toss, and scores on the first drive, the other team has a chance to tie.
Now Florida blows a 37 yard field goal.
Man...man some bad kicking going on in the South.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 24, 2009, 06:44:14 PM
I haven't seen any college OT games this year. Are they still using that gay alternating possessions thing?
Why is it gay? It is tons better than the NFL system of who can get the first field goal.
Just saw that Cincinnati won again, with a record crowd of 35,099. I assume that's more or less the max capacity at Nipper Stadium. To Derspeiss or any other Ohio guys: Any chance they would move any games to Paul Brown Stadium? It's a shame that an undefeated, top 5 team can draw only 35,000 for a home game.
Sucky college kicking makes the games more exciting.
Quote from: merithyn on October 24, 2009, 05:32:28 PM
*pops corn for the Iowa/Minnesota game*
Holy crap, Minnesota is playing 2 games in one day? :P
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 06:51:53 PM
Why is it gay? It is tons better than the NFL system of who can get the first field goal.
Because it's artificial. It doesn't flow from the nature of the game.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 24, 2009, 07:01:24 PM
Because it's artificial. It doesn't flow from the nature of the game.
Maybe. But it is awesome. I love the College OT system.
Chill out Admiral Stick-in-the-ass. It will seem natural in a couple of decades...like what happened with the forward pass.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 07:10:03 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 24, 2009, 07:01:24 PM
Because it's artificial. It doesn't flow from the nature of the game.
Maybe. But it is awesome. I love the College OT system.
I don't. Bring back ties at the end of regulation.
Tebow breaks Hershel Walker's SEC record for rushing TDs.
If you're old enough to remember Hershel, you know how fucking awesome that is.
Wow Texas goes right down the field and scores...do I dare think they could start fast?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2009, 07:17:58 PM
I don't. Bring back ties at the end of regulation.
Ties were lame as hell.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 07:31:01 PM
Wow Texas goes right down the field and scores...do I dare think they could start fast?
They look sharp. Hopefully they'll justify my predicting a 59-0 gloat-fest on Facebook.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 07:31:28 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2009, 07:17:58 PM
I don't. Bring back ties at the end of regulation.
Ties were lame as hell.
Ties made the game do or die, there is no try. Also, it made arguing about the bestest teams even funner.
Ties are much more traditional. I think grumbler would agree with me.
Grumbler still argues about the Rutgers-Princeton game.
Quote from: PDH on October 24, 2009, 07:40:45 PM
Grumbler still argues about the Rutgers-Princeton game.
The Blues and Greens.
NIKA!
TCU is going to kill Wyoming. :(
Quote from: PDH on October 24, 2009, 08:45:21 PM
TCU is going to kill Wyoming. :(
I thought BYU being destroyed at home would bring a smile to your face.
It is 35-7 Texas at the half. Colt McCoy has three touchdowns. This is more like it.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 08:52:06 PMIt is 35-7 Texas at the half. Colt McCoy has three touchdowns. This is more like it.
National broadcasts of Texas against their usual creampuffs is annoying.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2009, 08:52:50 PM
National broadcasts of Texas against their usual creampuffs is annoying.
Florida sure makes Arkansas and Mississippi State look like powerhouses.
Better yet Texas should schedule William and Mary like Maryland....
Edit: Oh wait that was Virginia, Maryland had James Madison.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 08:52:06 PM
I thought BYU being destroyed at home would bring a smile to your face.
Oh it does...hearing the crowd go quiet in Provo is always nice...but now I think I hear the crowd streaming out of War Memorial to head to the bars midway through the 2nd quarter...
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2009, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 07:10:03 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 24, 2009, 07:01:24 PM
Because it's artificial. It doesn't flow from the nature of the game.
Maybe. But it is awesome. I love the College OT system.
I don't. Bring back ties at the end of regulation.
I agree, at least before the post-season.
But if you're going to have OT, the college system is better than that of the NFL.
If we have to have OT, I'd personally prefer that they just keep playing extra full 15-minute quarters till someone is ahead at the end of one.
Arizona wins, and nobody will really remark on them beating a woeful UCLA team, but what was interesting about it was that Arizona won handily despite a ton of screwed up plays, blown calls, and generally weird shit. Used to be that Arizona would fall apart when that crap happened.
5-2, 3-1*
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 08:56:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2009, 08:52:50 PM
National broadcasts of Texas against their usual creampuffs is annoying.
Florida sure makes Arkansas and Mississippi State look like powerhouses.
Sometimes that happens in the toughest, most competitive conference in the country.
Valmy knows better than to argue about the relative strength of the Big 3 and a Half...
(edit - god, just kick out the North...)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
Sometimes that happens in the toughest, most competitive conference in the country.
It is especially tough and competitive when you play shit offense like Alabama and Florida. Oh wow no backs in the backfield on 3rd and 1? I am so shocked they tried to run Tebow up the middle for a two yard loss.
Quote from: PDH on October 24, 2009, 09:17:16 PM
Valmy knows better than to argue about the relative strength of the Big 3 and a Half...
(edit - god, just kick out the North...)
Yeah I am just a Texas fan. I do not band wagon on 15 teams like the SEC-Notre Dame-Maryland fans
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
Sometimes that happens in the toughest, most competitive conference in the country.
It is especially tough and competitive when you play shit offense like Alabama and Florida. Oh wow no backs in the backfield on 3rd and 1? I am so shocked they tried to run Tebow up the middle for a two yard loss.
Be lucky the football gods decided not to put any SEC teams in the Big XXXXIIIII. Teams like Arkansas and Ole Miss would make Texas perrenial Baylors.
See, with a set-up like the Big 12 North, there is no way you couldn't hit it out of the park.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2009, 09:23:25 PM
Be lucky the football gods decided not to put any SEC teams in the Big XXXXIIIII. Teams like Arkansas and Ole Miss would make Texas perrenial Baylors.
The SEC and PAC-10 both wanted Texas after the SLC shut down. Being a Maryland fan though, I couldn't expect you to know shit about the real football teams in the country.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2009, 09:23:25 PM
Be lucky the football gods decided not to put any SEC teams in the Big XXXXIIIII. Teams like Arkansas and Ole Miss would make Texas perrenial Baylors.
Yeah like last year...Texas 52 Arkansas 10
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 09:27:13 PM
Yeah like last year...Texas 52 Arkansas 10
That was such a boring game. :(
lol, Sparty with the hook and lateral.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2009, 09:23:25 PM
Be lucky the football gods decided not to put any SEC teams in the Big XXXXIIIII. Teams like Arkansas and Ole Miss would make Texas perrenial Baylors.
Yeah like last year...Texas 52 Arkansas 10
You're protective of your cute little conference. I appreciate that.
Texas and Oklahoma would be regular contenders in any conference, but they would have to work for it.
Oh wow Iowa got the TD with no time left.
Hawkeye touchdown pass with 2 seconds left to keep the unbeaken season alive. Zowie.
That hook and ladder was awesome too.
Michigan State....
Wow they blow it again.
Did you guys see that hit that left the Iowa reciever twitching like a fish on the field?
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 09:38:47 PM
Michigan State....
Wow they blow it again.
Michigan State is the Chicago Cubs, Detroit Lions, and Poland all rolled into one.
Just got scared there. MSU scored a late TD, but blew the 2 point play. Florida is going to win this game, but like last week, the game was way closer than should it have been because of turnovers. If Florida loses a game this year, it's going to be because of turnovers. Both of MSU's TD's were pick sixes.
Quote from: stjaba on October 24, 2009, 09:45:13 PM
Just got scared there. MSU scored a late TD, but blew the 2 point play. Florida is going to win this game, but like last week, the game was way closer than should it have been because of turnovers. If Florida loses a game this year, it's going to be because of turnovers. Both of MSU's TD's were pick sixes.
Oh ok that makes sense. I was wondering how MSU had scored two touchdowns on UF's defense.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2009, 09:32:23 PM
Texas and Oklahoma would be regular contenders in any conference, but they would have to work for it.
It just doesn't make any sense for Texas to be in any other conference. The biggest problem is politically they have to take their retarded little brothers in Texas A&M with them wherever they go and only the Big 8 would put up with the Ags.
But come now every conference has their Baylors and Iowa States in them. Even the SEC has Vanderbilt and Kentucky.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 09:55:42 PM
retarded little brothers in Texas A&M
Speaking of which: Check out that TAMU - TTU score.
What a miserable Homecoming for Mizzou. And now it's raining. :lol:
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 24, 2009, 07:00:36 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 24, 2009, 05:32:28 PM
*pops corn for the Iowa/Minnesota game*
Holy crap, Minnesota is playing 2 games in one day? :P
<_<
It was an M team, and I was in a hurry to get to the TV.
But did you see that game??? :w00t:
Quote from: merithyn on October 24, 2009, 10:01:22 PM
<_<
It was an M team, and I was in a hurry to get to the TV.
But did you see that game??? :w00t:
No, it was on the Big 10 network.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 10:04:46 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 24, 2009, 10:01:22 PM
<_<
It was an M team, and I was in a hurry to get to the TV.
But did you see that game??? :w00t:
No, it was on the Big 10 network.
:nelson:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 24, 2009, 09:37:21 PM
Hawkeye touchdown pass with 2 seconds left to keep the unbeaken season alive. Zowie.
That hook and ladder was awesome too.
:yeah: :cheers: :punk: :worthy: :thumbsup:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 24, 2009, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 09:55:42 PM
retarded little brothers in Texas A&M
Speaking of which: Check out that TAMU - TTU score.
Yeah I am not sure what to think of that. Of course since it was not televised I have no idea what went down.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 24, 2009, 09:42:56 PM
Did you guys see that hit that left the Iowa reciever twitching like a fish on the field?
Ouch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ZdFlZ_wcA
There was a huge one in the Clemson - Miami game too.
Edit: Poor quality, but it works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTcs1bhJ5bI
The Pac-10 is the toughest conference in the land.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc09.htm
Quote from: Berkut on October 25, 2009, 06:05:36 PM
The Pac-10 is the toughest conference in the land.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc09.htm
:lol: And the Big East is 'tougher' than the Big 10 & Big 12.
Anyway, enjoy it while it lasts.
WVU made modest gains in the polls after squeaking by UCONN. They will likely beat USF and Louisville, and if so they will go into the Cincinnati game as the weakest 8-1 team in the country. They're winning games with raw talent rather than solid coaching.
Valmy's gonna love that #10 ranking.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 25, 2009, 08:37:03 PM
Valmy's gonna love that #10 ranking.
The Computers are not so kind but they will be kinder by the end of the season after Oklahoma has fattened itself up on the rest of the Big 12.
By the way Sagarin has Texas at #14 not #10. :lol:
Arizona makes its first appearance in the top 25 in like, forever.
The computers love us - I think there must be some variable for being jobbed.
Uh you guys were in last week Berk :P
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2009, 11:46:26 PM
Uh you guys were in last week Berk :P
We were in the BCS, but neither of the actual polls.
BCS is only one that matters, duh
:P
Quote from: Berkut on October 25, 2009, 11:42:25 PM
Arizona makes its first appearance in the top 25 in like, forever.
The computers love us - I think there must be some variable for being jobbed.
The computers love everybody in the Pac-10 as you have demonstrated.
Quote from: Valmy on October 26, 2009, 12:22:32 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 25, 2009, 11:42:25 PM
Arizona makes its first appearance in the top 25 in like, forever.
The computers love us - I think there must be some variable for being jobbed.
The computers love everybody in the Pac-10 as you have demonstrated.
That is because computers all objective like and stuff.
Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2009, 12:27:09 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 26, 2009, 12:22:32 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 25, 2009, 11:42:25 PM
Arizona makes its first appearance in the top 25 in like, forever.
The computers love us - I think there must be some variable for being jobbed.
The computers love everybody in the Pac-10 as you have demonstrated.
That is because computers all objective like and stuff.
Actually, it's because teams in the Pac-10 tend to play stronger non-conference schedules than most teams in the other BCS conferences.
Quote from: dps on October 26, 2009, 12:40:18 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2009, 12:27:09 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 26, 2009, 12:22:32 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 25, 2009, 11:42:25 PM
Arizona makes its first appearance in the top 25 in like, forever.
The computers love us - I think there must be some variable for being jobbed.
The computers love everybody in the Pac-10 as you have demonstrated.
That is because computers all objective like and stuff.
Actually, it's because teams in the Pac-10 tend to play stronger non-conference schedules than most teams in the other BCS conferences.
It is also because the Pac-10 only has 1 really bad team in it this year.
Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2009, 01:18:24 AM
It is also because the Pac-10 only has 1 really bad team in it this year.
Wazzu or UCLA? :P
WSU. UCLA isn't good by any means, but they aren't terrible either.
Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2009, 01:31:54 AM
WSU. UCLA isn't good by any means, but they aren't terrible either.
UCLA beat Tennessee, which it seems has NFL level talent on their defense according to Alabama fans this week and the commentators of the game on Saturday. 'OMG this is just like an NFL game!'
But then maybe UCLA could give the Raiders a game.
Wyoming could run with UCLA...
out of the tunnel, then they would forget how to play.
Quote from: Valmy on October 26, 2009, 08:11:07 AM
UCLA beat Tennessee, which it seems has NFL level talent on their defense according to Alabama fans this week and the commentators of the game on Saturday. 'OMG this is just like an NFL game!'
But then maybe UCLA could give the Raiders a game.
:face:
Quote from: grumbler on October 26, 2009, 08:20:28 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 26, 2009, 08:11:07 AM
UCLA beat Tennessee, which it seems has NFL level talent on their defense according to Alabama fans this week and the commentators of the game on Saturday. 'OMG this is just like an NFL game!'
But then maybe UCLA could give the Raiders a game.
:face:
You would probably have to age them a bit first.
Quote from: Valmy on October 26, 2009, 08:11:07 AM
UCLA beat Tennessee, which it seems has NFL level talent on their defense according to Alabama fans this week and the commentators of the game on Saturday. 'OMG this is just like an NFL game!'
But then maybe UCLA could give the Raiders a game.
Tennessee isn't consistent, but they do have some good potential.
Couple thoughts for next weekend:
1. This is the game of the year for Texas at Oklahoma State. Win this one and they are home free until the always bizarre Texas-Texas A&M game at the end of the season, which could be an easy blowout or nail biter depending on which Aggies decide to show up. It sure seems like last year against Texas Tech. I am sorta glad I will be at my Grandmother's 90th birthday and will have to catch a DVR'd version of it.
2. Wyoming at Utah: well Air Force did take the Utes to OT so maybe...
3. The only other top 25 match-up outside of Texas-Oklahoma State is USC-Oregon and man I am pumped up to see the PAC-10 finally step up and show USC they cannot just roll over the conference every year. Come on Ducks! Game of the year in the PAC-10.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 26, 2009, 08:29:18 AM
Tennessee isn't consistent, but they do have some good potential.
Their defense has been consistently good all year. Their game against South Carolina this weekend should be a good one.
Apparently the Pac-10 commissioner recently made a comment about how the USC-Oregon game was going to decide the Pac-10 title.
Needless to say, there were some other teams in the conference that apparently he was not aware of that did not really appreciate him writing them off quite so soon.
Arizona, for example, still controls their own destiny.
Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2009, 08:35:23 AM
Apparently the Pac-10 commissioner recently made a comment about how the USC-Oregon game was going to decide the Pac-10 title.
If USC wins I think it would open it up for a few two loss teams as well like the fightin' Harbaughs of garbon U.
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 10:21:09 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 24, 2009, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2009, 09:55:42 PM
retarded little brothers in Texas A&M
Speaking of which: Check out that TAMU - TTU score.
Yeah I am not sure what to think of that. Of course since it was not televised I have no idea what went down.
Just so people understand how bizarre this series of games was:
Texas Tech 66 - Kansas State 14
Kansas State 62 - Texas A&M 14
Texas A&M 52 - Texas Tech 30
I mean if that was a fictional story I would laugh it off as unbelievable.
Time for some synergy and focussness from Bill in Sinton:
QuoteIt is important to be focused this week. We have had Oklahoma State get big leads and come close several times to beating us. We must start tough and stay tough. This game is there on Halloween night and we must start the focus now and keep the synergy going for this all important game. Those in Austin know what to do. Keep encouraging the team with the Hook 'em Horns sign and those that can give them a big sendoff at the Airport if possible. Those not there keep the synergy as you have done. I have already started driving around Sinton with my UT auto flag flying as I drive down the road. We must be focused yet careful and cautious with this game. It is most important for each of us to do our part as a team to help our team. Synergy! Focusness!
HOOK 'EM HORNS!
Bill is fucking awesome.
:( I hope he has synergesness left by Saturday...
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 27, 2009, 10:19:07 AM
Bill is fucking awesome.
I think the US needs a National Synergy Czar and he should get the job.
Bill :lol:
I am apprehensive about this game though.
Just once, I'd like to see Bill say something like:
Quote from: Bill from Sinton
Ah, what the hell. It's UTEP for fuck's sake. Everybody can just sleep in this week.
Quote from: PDH on October 27, 2009, 10:42:52 AM
:( I hope he has synergesness left by Saturday...
If not, he is: synergesnessless ?
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 27, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Bill :lol:
He reminds me so much of Dorsey4Heisman.
You know damned well he's not even an alumnus. Probably had a 2.2 GPA and shit the verbal on the SAT, went to Trinity Valley Community College or something.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 27, 2009, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 27, 2009, 07:00:35 PM
Bill :lol:
He reminds me so much of Dorsey4Heisman.
You know damned well he's not even an alumnus. Probably had a 2.2 GPA and shit the verbal on the SAT, went to Trinity Valley Community College or something.
His old man must have been very disappointed.
Probably shopped but hey.
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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 28, 2009, 06:25:21 PM
Probably shopped but hey.
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I'm pretty sure that's not really Bill from Sinton.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 28, 2009, 06:25:21 PM
Probably shopped but hey.
Nah that is what alot of our fans looked like.
Crap I should have gone to this school at 18. Even the girls in my Electrical Engineering class are smoking hot. Of course I say that but at 18 I wouldn't have known what to do with them.
Sure you would have. Stare, but avoid eye contact.
Quote from: PDH on October 29, 2009, 08:08:07 PM
Sure you would have. Stare, but avoid eye contact.
:lol: Nice
In other college news, I'd like to see game #2
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33524324/ns/sports-college_football/
QuoteFive title bouts we beg the BCS not to produce
System could spit out a game that would infuriate fans, devastate TV execs
OPINION
By Dave Curtis
updated 7:45 p.m. ET Oct. 29, 2009
With seven teams still unbeaten and nearly as many intriguing one-loss teams still alive, the prospect of a classic BCS national championship game matchup looms.
There's a flip side, though.
Check out the BCS standings and you'll notice a handful of non-traditional powers near the top. Yup, the BCS system could spit out a title bout that would infuriate fans and devastate television executives.
Here's a look at five title games that — brace yourselves — really, truly could happen:
1. Iowa vs. SEC champ/USC
This has a little bit to do with the Hawkeyes and a lot to do with recent history. When folks outside Big Ten country think of the league, Ohio State's title-game losses to SEC teams — and the Big Ten's annual Rose Bowl pounding against USC — pop up first. Placing Iowa in the game would produce a double-digit point spread. Not even a continuous loop of Ohio State's Craig Krenzel and Maurice Clarett winning the 2003 Fiesta Bowl would convince the nation Iowa has shot. Heck, even coach Kirk Ferentz is not sure about his squad. "I still have a hard time even picturing us in the top 10," he said on a Tuesday teleconference. The Hawkeyes might deserve a spot in the big game, but it wouldn't make many people happy.
2. TCU vs. Alabama
Putting the Frogs against the Tide would throw college football back to the days of Mr. Inside, Knute Rockne and scoreless ties that ended up as all-time great games. Given the two great defenses, Alabama kicker Leigh Tiffin would likely dominate the night. Everyone cringes at the thought of a 12-10 or 9-7 outcome on the nation's biggest stage. TCU would sell out against the run, and they have the speed and scheme to slow Mark Ingram. And while Andy Dalton has improved at quarterback, TCU's offense remains a far cry from, say, Texas Tech's. Spare the world this matchup, BCS gods. We beg you.
3. Oregon vs. Oklahoma State
With so much football left, don't forget some of the one-loss teams on the fringe of contention now. The Ducks need a Boise State loss to hurdle the Broncos, who beat Oregon in the opener. A 12-1 Cowboys team would challenge for the top two with wins over Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma and possibly Nebraska or Kansas. The game might be fun on the field, but with no major media markets and no familiar personalities, the buildup would be lackluster. This matchup is meant for the Holiday Bowl.
4. Florida vs. Alabama
Maybe these will end up being the two best teams in America. Who knows? But college football couldn't handle an all-SEC national championship game that's a rematch of the SEC title game played five weeks earlier. Why should the SEC champion need to beat the loser again? And if they split, why should the second win trump the first? It also wouldn't be fair to the Big Ten, which lost out on an Ohio State-Michigan title game after the 2006 season, in part because of resistance to an intra-conference pairing. America went on to learn quite clearly that Michigan and Ohio State were not the best two teams in the country, after all. Rose Bowl: USC 32, Michigan 18; BCS title game: Florida 41, Ohio State 14
5. Texas vs. Cincinnati
If a Big Ten team in the big game would frustrate fans, then a Big East team would horrify them. Again, this is about reputation and perception, not the statistics or the reality of how teams look on the field. But even if the Bearcats go 12-0 with late-season victories over West Virginia (which lost to 5-3 Auburn) and Pittsburgh (which lost to 3-4 N.C. State), seeing Cincy in the title game wouldn't sit well with fans of a one-loss SEC or Pac-10 champ. The Longhorns would face similar scrutiny thanks to a weak nonconference schedule. Its two marquee wins would have come against Sam Bradford-less Oklahoma (for most of the game, at least) and Dez Bryant-less Oklahoma State. Even with two undefeated teams, this matchup would leave most of the country shouting for a playoff.
Quote from: PDH on October 29, 2009, 08:08:07 PM
Sure you would have. Stare, but avoid eye contact.
Well yeah I was pretty skilled at that.
QuoteIts two marquee wins would have come against Sam Bradford-less Oklahoma (for most of the game, at least)
They keep saying this as if Sam would really have been able to do much without any wide recievers who could get open or running backs who could run or linemen who could block. He was 2-7 while he was actually in the game and the whole reason they were Sam Bradfordless was because their offense sucks and cannot block anybody. I think losing Gresham was a far bigger blow to OU since he was the Sooners best safety valve though they did a great job using the running backs for this in the event. Landry Jones was perfectly sufficient running for his life and throwing incomplete passes with a few good dumps to the RBs which is all Sam Bradford was going to be doing.
How many yards did OU rush for? -16. Yeah.
Only Tim would post something in an attempt to taint something so purely glorious and full of win like beating OU.
But OU has a monster defense, not offense. If they were Gerald McCoy-less now THAT would have been a serious problem for them. But it still wouldn't matter. Beating OU can never be tainted.
Fuck. Tim tainted TCU.
Quote from: Valmy on October 29, 2009, 11:10:44 PM
Quote from: PDH on October 29, 2009, 08:08:07 PM
Sure you would have. Stare, but avoid eye contact.
Well yeah I was pretty skilled at that.
Many of us had that skill...though the Wyoming group at least had enough fatties so that averting one's eyes was ok too...
Hey the Tarheels beat Va. Tech.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 29, 2009, 11:36:19 PM
Hey the Tarheels beat Va. Tech.
Yep. The Chokies are at it again.
Indiana is beating Iowa. Let's hope the score holds up, since that should just about eliminate the threat of a Big Ten team stinking up another BCS championship game.
Quote from: dps on October 31, 2009, 01:18:20 PM
Indiana is beating Iowa. Let's hope the score holds up, since that should just about eliminate the threat of a Big Ten team stinking up another BCS championship game.
Indiana just threw one of the more....strange...INTs I've ever seen.
Haha the slow mo replay is great. It bounced off of pretty much everyone that was anywhere near it.
Quote from: dps on October 31, 2009, 01:18:20 PM
Indiana is beating Iowa. Let's hope the score holds up, since that should just about eliminate the threat of a Big Ten team stinking up another BCS championship game.
I sure hope it doesn't. The whining and crying of the BCStards over how the title game sucks is the best part of the late season.
Wow. They overturned that catch. :blink:
Iowa about to get dropped by...Indiana. :lol:
The conference is eating itself alive.
Iowa has come back over Indiana. I, for one, won't mind if they make it to the BCS title game, as long as they play a certain SEC team.
:lol:
Wow. Indiana has been collapsing in spectacular ways this year. They give it just enough to scare people and then evaporate.
Iowa this year reminds me of the '02 buckeyes.
And yes, I thought of that before that fucker on ESPN said it.
Also, i guess New Mexico State can afford to feed their team now.
Quote from: stjaba on October 31, 2009, 02:14:02 PM
Iowa has come back over Indiana. I, for one, won't mind if they make it to the BCS title game, as long as they play a certain SEC team.
:D :lol:
LOL, Michigan.
Wow, I am not surprised that Oregon is beating USC at home, but the "take them out behind the woodshed and kick the shit out of them" treatment is rather unexpected.
Barkley is looking like a freshman, and the vaunted USC defense is looking like WSU.
Cheerleaders in Halloween costumes, is that common? I don't think I've ever noticed it before.
Quote from: Berkut on October 31, 2009, 10:36:47 PM
Wow, I am not surprised that Oregon is beating USC at home, but the "take them out behind the woodshed and kick the shit out of them" treatment is rather unexpected.
Barkley is looking like a freshman, and the vaunted USC defense is looking like WSU.
Two things after that game:
1) Nothing pleases me more than Pete Carroll getting 392 yards rushed up his ass donkey-dick style.
2) I am now a Duck believer. You're welcome, sbr.
Boise St is pretty darn happy with the Duck win as well.
And apparently the Pac-10 commissioner is going to meet with Blount to give him his blessing to allow Oregon to bring their #1 Thug back onto the field.
Latest BCS standings:
1 Florida 8-0
2 Texas 8-0
3 Alabama 8-0
4 Iowa 9-0
5 Cincinnati 8-0
6 TCU 8-0
7 Boise State 8-0
8 Oregon 7-1
9 LSU 7-1
10 Georgia Tech 8-1
11 Penn State 8-1
12 USC 6-2
13 Pittsburgh 7-1
14 Utah 7-1
15 Houston 7-1
16 Ohio State 7-2
17 Miami (FL) 6-2
18 Arizona 5-2
19 Oklahoma State 6-2
20 California 6-2
21 Wisconsin 6-2
22 Notre Dame 6-2
23 Virginia Tech 5-3
24 Oklahoma 5-3
25 South Florida 6-2
No posting BCS standings without the actual point value, dammit.
Here you go Seedy.
Order is Team, Harris Rank, USA Today Rank, Computer Rank, and BCS Average
1 Florida 1 1 1 0.9918
2 Texas 2 2 3 0.9227
3 Alabama 3 3 3 0.9166
4 Iowa 7 6 2 0.8407
5 Cincinnati 5 7 5 0.8033
6 TCU 6 4 6 0.8008
7 Boise State 4 5 8 0.7863
8 Oregon 8 8 7 0.7651
9 LSU 9 9 9 0.7121
10 Georgia Tech 11 11 10 0.6287
11 Penn State 10 10 12 0.6166
12 USC 12 13 11 0.5336
13 Pittsburgh 15 14 14 0.4401
14 Utah 16 16 13 0.4226
15 Houston 14 15 16 0.4209
16 Ohio State 13 12 21 0.3784
17 Miami, Fla. 17 17 16 0.3707
18 Arizona 21 19 16 0.2589
19 Oklahoma St 18 18 21 0.2179
20 California 22 23 15 0.2095
21 Wisconsin 24 22 19 0.1939
22 Notre Dame 20 21 23 0.1903
23 Virginia Tech 23 24 20 0.1559
24 Oklahoma 19 20 28 0.1494
25 South Florida 26 26 24 0.0786
26 BYU 25 25 26 0.0699
27 West Virginia 27 27 27 0.0246
28 Oregon State 38 43 25 0.0242
29 Texas Tech 28 28 28 0.0193
30 Auburn 29 29 28 0.0175
31 Clemson 30 30 28 0.0070
32 So Carolina 35 31 28 0.0046
33 Central Mich 31 34 28 0.0044
34 Idaho 32 32 28 0.0037
35 Tennessee 32 37 28 0.0028
36 Rutgers 35 37 28 0.0021
37 No Carolina 44 32 28 0.0020
38 Temple 34 40 28 0.0020
39 Boston Coll 41 35 28 0.0015
40 Navy 46 35 28 0.0011
41 Kansas 37 43 28 0.0011
42 Troy 38 40 28 0.0010
43 Duke 45 39 28 0.0008
44 Nebraska 40 43 28 0.0007
45 Mississippi 41 43 28 0.0004
45 Stanford 41 43 28 0.0004
47 Kansas St 46 40 28 0.0002
48 Arkansas 45 43 28 0.0001
49 Connecticut 46 43 28 0.0000
50 Washington 46 43 28 0.0000
http://cfn.scout.com/a.z?s=451&p=2&c=557949
Wooo UW is 50th!
Quote from: katmai on November 01, 2009, 11:00:41 PM
Wooo UW is 50th!
:D Yeah I copied all the way down, instead of stopping at 25, so I could include the Huskies.
They're overrated because they beat USC. ;)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 01, 2009, 11:04:46 PM
They're overrated because they beat USC. ;)
beat * #18 Arizona & #34 Idaho, lost in OT to #22 Notre Dame & played #9 LSU tough :P
asterisk to appease throbby :P
I notice you didn't bring up Stanford and Oregon. :lol:
(Yeah, I looked up the Huskies' schedule -_-)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 01, 2009, 11:15:59 PM
I notice you didn't bring up Stanford and Oregon. :lol:
(Yeah, I looked up the Huskies' schedule -_-)
Well i didn't bring up the loss to ASU either (since they aren't ranked in that list ).
But yeah besides the blowouts vs Stanford and Oregon they have been in every game this year, better than i could have hoped after 0-12 team last year.
Quote from: katmai on November 01, 2009, 11:41:48 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 01, 2009, 11:15:59 PM
I notice you didn't bring up Stanford and Oregon. :lol:
(Yeah, I looked up the Huskies' schedule -_-)
Well i didn't bring up the loss to ASU either (since they aren't ranked in that list ).
But yeah besides the blowouts vs Stanford and Oregon they have been in every game this year, better than i could have hoped after 0-12 team last year.
The Huskies scare me; if they get the right coach, which may or may not be Sark, they should get very good again pretty quickly. Hopefully they will lose Locker after this year.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 01, 2009, 06:49:07 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 31, 2009, 10:36:47 PM
Wow, I am not surprised that Oregon is beating USC at home, but the "take them out behind the woodshed and kick the shit out of them" treatment is rather unexpected.
Barkley is looking like a freshman, and the vaunted USC defense is looking like WSU.
Two things after that game:
1) Nothing pleases me more than Pete Carroll getting 392 yards rushed up his ass donkey-dick style.
2) I am now a Duck believer. You're welcome, sbr.
The Ducks have looked really good the last month. Assuming something silly doesn't happen to put them in the Championship game I really like their chances to run the table and smack Iowa in the Rose Bowl and end up with a Top 5ish ranking. I have no doubt they are now a better team than Boise State but that loss should keep them out of anything more than the Rose Bowl.
Quote from: sbr on November 02, 2009, 12:24:23 AM
The Huskies scare me; if they get the right coach, which may or may not be Sark, they should get very good again pretty quickly. Hopefully they will lose Locker after this year.
I think Sark is on right track, and i'm hoping Jake comes back for one more year, but as all the "pundits" are touting him as best QB available it is iffy if comes back.
That would be a damn shame as I think with another year of learning the pro system and his surrounding crew as juniors and sophmores I think they could contended for Pac-10 title.
If he does leave I'm curious to see if Ronnie Fouch or the incoming Nick Montana would step in.
Quote from: sbr on November 02, 2009, 12:27:45 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 01, 2009, 06:49:07 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 31, 2009, 10:36:47 PM
Wow, I am not surprised that Oregon is beating USC at home, but the "take them out behind the woodshed and kick the shit out of them" treatment is rather unexpected.
Barkley is looking like a freshman, and the vaunted USC defense is looking like WSU.
Two things after that game:
1) Nothing pleases me more than Pete Carroll getting 392 yards rushed up his ass donkey-dick style.
2) I am now a Duck believer. You're welcome, sbr.
The Ducks have looked really good the last month. Assuming something silly doesn't happen to put them in the Championship game I really like their chances to run the table and smack Iowa in the Rose Bowl and end up with a Top 5ish ranking. I have no doubt they are now a better team than Boise State but that loss should keep them out of anything more than the Rose Bowl.
A pity about that thing called really life where Boise State smacked them around like a bitch.
Quote from: katmai on November 02, 2009, 01:04:39 AM
Quote from: sbr on November 02, 2009, 12:24:23 AM
The Huskies scare me; if they get the right coach, which may or may not be Sark, they should get very good again pretty quickly. Hopefully they will lose Locker after this year.
I think Sark is on right track, and i'm hoping Jake comes back for one more year, but as all the "pundits" are touting him as best QB available it is iffy if comes back.
That would be a damn shame as I think with another year of learning the pro system and his surrounding crew as juniors and sophmores I think they could contended for Pac-10 title.
If he does leave I'm curious to see if Ronnie Fouch or the incoming Nick Montana would step in.
I agree that Sark has looked good so far but a lot of coaches do well with the previous guys players but can't seem to get/coach their own. His ties to SoCal should help him out a lot.
I would be surprised to see Locker come back, especially with what has happened to Bradford. If the scouts and advisers tell Locker he is a first round pick I think he (or any one else) has to leave. That is too much money to leave on the table in a sport as violent as this one; I do agree that the Huskies would be in the running with a senior Locker next year though.
TCU is quite high, who is left on their schedule?
EDIT: Looks like Utah is the only #25 left on their schedule.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 02, 2009, 02:23:30 AM
TCU is quite high, who is left on their schedule?
EDIT: Looks like Utah is the only #25 left on their schedule.
I'm glad Tim is a fan of TCU because they sure do not seem to have any fans in Fort Worth. Man that was just pitiful attendance at that UNLV game I remembered one of the main reasons I hated the old SWC so much-nobody outside of Texas, Baylor, A&M, and Tech had any fans.
Tim fucking taints TCU...
Yeah, they have built a pretty damn solid program there, they have recruited nice athletes (a lot of speed on that team), and they get Wyoming like attendance...
I hope they run the table and keep the blue turf pukes out of the BCS.
(oh, for the record, Valmster, Wyo had a 10-3 lead at half, then stopped playing...sigh)
Quote from: PDH on November 02, 2009, 08:55:02 AM
(oh, for the record, Valmster, Wyo had a 10-3 lead at half, then stopped playing...sigh)
Yeah I was in the home of the Deadskins this weekend so I missed the football except for flipping on the Texas-Oklahoma State game just in time to see Zac Robinson throw a 77 yard touchdown pass to Texas corner back Curtis Brown.
Wyoming has had trouble on offense all year especially on the road. Outside of the Florida Atlantic game they have 10 points in three road games.
This is especially concerning considering they pretty much HAVE to beat San Diego State and Colorado State on the road to avoid a losing season.
However...BYU at home...if Wyoming can shut down Utah for most of the game...
Quote from: Valmy on November 02, 2009, 08:48:13 AM
I'm glad Tim is a fan of TCU because they sure do not seem to have any fans in Fort Worth. Man that was just pitiful attendance at that UNLV game I remembered one of the main reasons I hated the old SWC so much-nobody outside of Texas, Baylor, A&M, and Tech had any fans.
The Pigs had fans back in their SWC days. Houston did too when they weren't utter crap.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 02, 2009, 09:29:52 AM
The Pigs had fans back in their SWC days. Houston did too when they weren't utter crap.
Yeah I meant in the dying days of the SWC. Once Arkansas left the league really had no chance.
Even in the 80s when Houston was awesome and Texas was shit, the majority of the fans in the Astrodome for a Houston homegame would still be Texas fans.
Quote from: Valmy on November 02, 2009, 09:31:34 AM
Even in the 80s when Houston was awesome and Texas was shit, the majority of the fans in the Astrodome for a Houston homegame would still be Texas fans.
Aside from Horns fans travelling well, I'd be willing to bet there are more people in Houston who are associated with/graduated from/dropped out of/whatever UT than there are Coogs types. TAMU too, for that matter. Lots of Aggies in Houston. Its not that they dont have fans, its Just that theyre outnumbered by the enormous state schools. This was a bitch to post on the phone. Hope the formatting and spelling arent too fucked up.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 02, 2009, 09:43:12 AM
Aside from Horns fans travelling well, I'd be willing to bet there are more people in Houston who are associated with/graduated from/dropped out of/whatever UT than there are Coogs types. TAMU too, for that matter. Lots of Aggies in Houston. Its not that they dont have fans, its Just that theyre outnumbered by the enormous state schools. This was a bitch to post on the phone. Hope the formatting and spelling arent too fucked up.
I am aware there were good excuses for why the smaller schools had so few fans but it was still demoralizing to look over at the other leagues and see even their crap teams filling their stadiums and then flip on the SMU or the Rice game and see the Cotton Bowl or Rice Stadium with 15,000 fans rattling around in it.
Quote from: Valmy on November 02, 2009, 10:10:57 AM
I am aware there were good excuses for why the smaller schools had so few fans but it was still demoralizing to look over at the other leagues and see even their crap teams filling their stadiums and then flip on the SMU or the Rice game and see the Cotton Bowl or Rice Stadium with 15,000 fans rattling around in it.
I know that's just a number you randomly picked, but 15,000 is something like double the current undergrad enrollment at both of those schools combined. Rice will always have trouble selling tickets with a shitty program (no bandwagoners, they're all with Houston right now haha) and a really small number of people associated with the school. SMU is just....well they're getting better, I guess. There haven't been many good reasons for SMU fans to go to Mustangs football games since that NCAA headshot though. Yeah, it's too bad about TCU only getting 30 or 35,000 people to show up to games, but then again...for a school in Ft. Worth, of all places, with less than 10,000 students, that's really not too bad.
Really though, I'm not sure why any of this would have an effect on you as a Texas fan, aside from meaning it's easier to get tickets to road games.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 02, 2009, 11:30:31 AM
Really though, I'm not sure why any of this would have an effect on you as a Texas fan, aside from meaning it's easier to get tickets to road games.
Well it had a huge impact when UT's fate was still tied to those schools. It killed, I mean destroyed, TV coverage of the SWC. TV cameras do not like empty stadiums and the resulting boring games.
Now we only have Baylor left who has a low level of support....and Baylor was one of the most followed teams of the old SWC.
It also answers the question as to why TCU was not invited to join the Big 12. We don't need that shit here. We have a hard enough time getting the alumni of the crappier state schools to attend the games.
Quotefor a school in Ft. Worth, of all places, with less than 10,000 students, that's really not too bad.
Sorry Man Fort Worth should support that team more. That is the only sports team of any significance in the entire city.
Mavericks, Cowboys... They are just a larger than average suburb after all ;)
Quote from: Valmy on November 02, 2009, 11:42:40 AMWell it had a huge impact when UT's fate was still tied to those schools. It killed, I mean destroyed, TV coverage of the SWC. TV cameras do not like empty stadiums and the resulting boring games.
Teams being shitty had a lot to do with that. Teams getting put on probation and one of the programs getting shut down also fucked that up. Of course, Texas was always on TV every Saturday that I remember, and they got to go to the Cotton Bowl, and played OU and TAMU, and blahblahblah, so who cares? I'm not the AD or anything of one of those schools.
QuoteNow we only have Baylor left who has a low level of support....and Baylor was one of the most followed teams of the old SWC.
So?
QuoteIt also answers the question as to why TCU was not invited to join the Big 12. We don't need that shit here. We have a hard enough time getting the alumni of the crappier state schools to attend the games.
Houston would fit better than TCU and Baylor, at least size-wise. They're a commuter type school though, which is where a lot of the old attendance problems came from. People go (or went, it may be getting better) there in order to transfer to UT or TAMU or some other place. It's like a better version of UTSA.
But once again, why the hell do "we" care? I don't give a damn about Colorado's declining attendance for the same reason I don't care about Eastern Michigan only getting 3 or 4,000 people to show up for their games: They're not Texas, so fuck them. :D
Quote from: Peter WigginMavericks, Cowboys... They are just a larger than average suburb after all ;)
I'm thinking more Sooners, Longhorns, notDallas Cowboys, Aggies, Mean Green (YEAH BABY), and whatever other universities that aren't private and are pretty close by that people in the DFW area go to and care about. Hell..there's the U of Arlington too. Forgot about them. Southland Conference goodness.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 02, 2009, 11:58:01 AM
Teams being shitty had a lot to do with that. Teams getting put on probation and one of the programs getting shut down also fucked that up. Of course, Texas was always on TV every Saturday that I remember, and they got to go to the Cotton Bowl, and played OU and TAMU, and blahblahblah, so who cares? I'm not the AD or anything of one of those schools.
I care because football is pretty fucking lame when the other fan bases are apathetic losers who do not attend the games.
Quote from: Valmy on November 02, 2009, 12:04:17 PM
I care because football is pretty fucking lame when the other fan bases are apathetic losers who do not attend the games.
I find it's better when their souls have been crushed.
I hope Gronk gets healthy and comes back, although he has said that if he was projected as a first round pick, he would go to the NFL. Before he was hurt, everyone just assumed he would be gone after this year.
But missing the entire year puts his draft status up in the air, I think.
If he comes back, I think Arizona will be very, very good next year. Basically we lose almost nobody from an already very good offense, and add probably the best TE in the country. And given that about the only knock on the Arizona offense this year has been red zone problems at times, he would be just the piece we need, I think.
Quote from: Berkut on November 02, 2009, 12:48:54 PM
I hope Gronk gets healthy and comes back, although he has said that if he was projected as a first round pick, he would go to the NFL. Before he was hurt, everyone just assumed he would be gone after this year.
But missing the entire year puts his draft status up in the air, I think.
If he comes back, I think Arizona will be very, very good next year. Basically we lose almost nobody from an already very good offense, and add probably the best TE in the country. And given that about the only knock on the Arizona offense this year has been red zone problems at times, he would be just the piece we need, I think.
Hey Berkut, did you see the line for the Arizona - WSU game?
QuoteArizona (-31) vs. Washington State
Poor Washington State.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 02, 2009, 01:09:42 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 02, 2009, 12:48:54 PM
I hope Gronk gets healthy and comes back, although he has said that if he was projected as a first round pick, he would go to the NFL. Before he was hurt, everyone just assumed he would be gone after this year.
But missing the entire year puts his draft status up in the air, I think.
If he comes back, I think Arizona will be very, very good next year. Basically we lose almost nobody from an already very good offense, and add probably the best TE in the country. And given that about the only knock on the Arizona offense this year has been red zone problems at times, he would be just the piece we need, I think.
Hey Berkut, did you see the line for the Arizona - WSU game?
QuoteArizona (-31) vs. Washington State
Poor Washington State.
I know, that is freaking insane.
Makes me nervous.
Quote from: Berkut on November 02, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
I know, that is freaking insane.
Makes me nervous.
Naw, I'm sure Arizona will be fine.
Hm. Then again, Washington State did manage to take down mighty SMU, a powerhouse of a team who beat the AMAZING Lumberjacks of Stephen F. Austin. (http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=292552617) ;)
Quote from: Berkut on November 02, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
I know, that is freaking insane.
Makes me nervous.
Are you kidding? I would still bet on Arizona.
Wazzu is bad, i mean really bad.
I'm assuming Ohio State will get its asshole lovingly reamed by JoePa in Happy Valley.
BECAUSE PRYOR NEEDS TO GROW THE FUCK UP.
:D
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Quote from: PDH on November 02, 2009, 08:55:02 AM
Tim fucking taints TCU...
Don't worry. Like all Boston Bandwagoners, Tim loves Notre Dame best of all.
The Manitoba Bisons have been kicked out of the playoffs for cheating. I feel bad for Beeb, having gone to a school famous for it's blackguardery. :(
How popular is Canadian college football (college Canadian football?) up there?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 03, 2009, 06:40:39 PM
How popular is Canadian college football (college Canadian football?) up there?
Much less popular than curling or junior-league hockey.
Quote from: Neil on November 03, 2009, 06:35:07 PM
The Manitoba Bisons have been kicked out of the playoffs for cheating. I feel bad for Beeb, having gone to a school famous for it's blackguardery. :(
MEOWTF???
QuoteManitoba Bisons stripped of football victories
Posted: November 03, 2009, 5:11 PM by Noah Love
Football, CIS
The Manitoba Bisons football club won't be competing in the Canada West Universities Athletic Association playoffs after all.
The Bisons used an ineligible player for its first five games of the 2009 season, and have been stripped of three victories, meaning they won't play in Calgary against the Dinos Saturday in a Canada West semifinal game.
Tuesday morning, Canada West announced that due to an eligibility violation, the official results of three football games played by the Bisons have been overturned.
The player has not been named, but it could be receiver Julian Hardy. Hardy spent the 2001 season with the Ottawa Gee-Gees, but was suspended for four years following a doping violation at the end of his first year. The suspension was supposed to eat up his final four years of CIS eligibility.
Bison victories over the University of British Columbia Thunderbirds and Alberta Golden Bears have been changed to losses, while a third game, a Manitoba win over the Simon Fraser Clan, was declared "no contest'' because both teams used an ineligible player.
The Bisons' record will stand at two wins, five losses and a no contest.
The new matchups for Saturday are Alberta at Calgary and Regina at Saskatchewan.
Read more: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/postedsports/archive/2009/11/03/manitoba-bisons-stripped-of-football-victories.aspx#ixzz0VqvjRYGO
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You have got to be kidding me.
It's karma for talking shit about the U of A.
How the fuck can that happen - either from the U of M, or from CIS.
You'd think whether a player is eligible or not would be pretty fucking obvious to all concerned...
Quote from: Barrister on November 03, 2009, 10:14:13 PM
How the fuck can that happen - either from the U of M, or from CIS.
You'd think whether a player is eligible or not would be pretty fucking obvious to all concerned...
Especially when the guy is probably close to 30.
Watching Iowa-Northwestern, this is one sloppy game.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 07, 2009, 01:04:14 PM
Watching Iowa-Northwestern, this is one sloppy game.
Yes, yes it is.
Listening to Furman at Auburn, don't even know who Furman is. At least they can win this one. :)
Iowa lost to Northwestern. Now we don't have to worry about a shitty Big 10 team making it to the BCS championship. :(
It's probably going to be Texas anyway.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 02, 2009, 04:56:13 PM
I'm assuming Ohio State will get its asshole lovingly reamed by JoePa in Happy Valley.
BECAUSE PRYOR NEEDS TO GROW THE FUCK UP.
My prediction stands.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 07, 2009, 04:21:58 PM
It's probably going to be Texas anyway.
Probably, but anything can happen. I remember in 2006, a mediocre UCLA beat USC in the last week of the season, which paved the way for Florida to move in the top 2 and a spot in the national championship game. I know Texas is good, but they're not guranteed to go undefeated. Just today, I saw an article talking about Notre Dame probably going to a BCS bowl game. Right now, they're losing to Navy. They play Pitt pretty soon, and they're a good team too. I highly doubt Notre Dame ends up playing in a BCS game.
Still, I'm with you in thinking that Texas has the strongest chance of any team of making it to the championship game. Florida is 2nd, then Alabama. After that, who knows? Cincy has a pretty good argument, as do potentially TCU, Boise State, and Oregon if those teams win out. I think Alabama, even if they lose today, if they managed to win the SEC West and beat UF, would have a strong argument. Likewise, if LSU wins out and beats Florida in a rematch.
:lol: @ oregon
Navy knock out Jimmy Clausen?
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 07, 2009, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 02, 2009, 04:56:13 PM
I'm assuming Ohio State will get its asshole lovingly reamed by JoePa in Happy Valley.
BECAUSE PRYOR NEEDS TO GROW THE FUCK UP.
My prediction stands.
Hugging your Eddie George action figure again, huh? It's wet with your tears.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 07, 2009, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 07, 2009, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 02, 2009, 04:56:13 PM
I'm assuming Ohio State will get its asshole lovingly reamed by JoePa in Happy Valley.
BECAUSE PRYOR NEEDS TO GROW THE FUCK UP.
My prediction stands.
Hugging your Eddie George action figure again, huh? It's wet with your tears.
My kingdom for a polished QB.
Wow, I knew WSU was bad...but they aren't just bad, they are terrible. They would probably only win 4 games in the ACC bad!
Quote from: Berkut on November 07, 2009, 05:27:51 PM
Wow, I knew WSU was bad...but they aren't just bad, they are terrible. They would probably only win 4 games in the ACC bad!
I told ya ^_^
Lol Navy
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 07, 2009, 05:27:09 PM
My kingdom for a polished QB.
Saban's was saying the same thing on the sidelines before the half, only with lots of naughty, naughty words.
Nice throw Jimmy. :lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on November 07, 2009, 05:40:22 PM
Nice throw Jimmy. :lol:
This is like the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot, except without the turkeys. :bleeding:
Oh, and let me take this moment to laugh at Iowa. Hah.
I mean, Northwestern. They lost to lawyers.
UDub is beating UCLA early in 3rd quarter.
And PeeDee's Cowboys went out and let BYU manhandle them.
I may have to revise my current dislike of Pryor. Damn.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 07, 2009, 06:08:03 PM
I may have to revise my current dislike of Pryor. Damn.
When they're that wide open, even a blind squirrel can toss his nuts.
I'm trying to be positive. :P
Look at those Midshipmen kicking some ass. ^_^
If the Irish don't come up with some sort of miracle win...I mean....Weis will have lost to Navy twice, right? At what point does he get fired for that stuff? Does he still catch a bunch of shit for his team needing a miracle to beat Navy?
Edit: Hey touchdown. They need another onside kick recovery now. Good game.
Quote from: katmai on November 07, 2009, 05:50:37 PM
And PeeDee's Cowboys went out and let BYU manhandle them.
We needed that New Mexico Soccer Chick to teach the 'Boys how to be tough against BYU... :(
Yes I said "we." Katmai pretends he played for HIS Udub, I can pretend the same for my Alma Mater.
And ND suffers again with the folly of Timmayism.
Holy shit. I just spotted the Arizona - Washington State score there. :lol: Berkut is enjoying that, I'm sure.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 07, 2009, 06:25:14 PM
And ND suffers again with the folly of Timmayism.
Oh, the ignominy.
Penn State totally disappointed me today.
I expected The Sweater Vest(tm) to go home with Shane Conlan's spooge all over him, but PSU made too many Paternovers.
Bizzarro day in the Big 12. Colorado, Kansas State, and Baylor all won.
I bet a million fake internet dollars that after this beating Oregon decides that Blount has shown enough contrition and Chip begs the Pac-10 to let him come back.
Quote from: Berkut on November 07, 2009, 06:45:05 PM
I bet a million fake internet dollars that after this beating Oregon decides that Blount has shown enough contrition and Chip begs the Pac-10 to let him come back.
What difference does it make?
Anybody that punches a Boise State player should be given a parade.
Quote from: Neil on November 07, 2009, 07:00:25 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 07, 2009, 06:45:05 PM
I bet a million fake internet dollars that after this beating Oregon decides that Blount has shown enough contrition and Chip begs the Pac-10 to let him come back.
What difference does it make?
None to you, I am sure. After all, you are a Ravens fan. Sucker punching someone is hardly anything to get worked up over.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 07, 2009, 07:04:10 PM
Anybody that punches a Boise State player should be given a parade.
Chip is working on it, give him some time.
Aw. Didn't break 50 there.
Edit: 21 is not a very good pass catcher. Damn, man.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 07, 2009, 06:31:12 PM
Holy shit. I just spotted the Arizona - Washington State score there. :lol: Berkut is enjoying that, I'm sure.
Arizona is about to be tied for first in the Pac-10. It has been a rather long time.
Funny that we were picked what - seventh in the conference?
Not that it means all that much - these next 4 games, 3 on the road, and 3 against ranked teams, are going to be brutal.
Wow, Oregon just scored, 42-48 now. If they manage to pull this off...
...Trees seal the win with a 48 yard field goal. Ballsy - I would have had Gerhart pound it in for that last 1st down, but I guess that is why I am not a college football coach.
Haha that tree really stands out in the crowd rushing the field.
Quote from: BerkutFunny that we were picked what - seventh in the conference?
Yeah it was all about USC, Oregon, and kinda Cal during the preseason. Edit: And really, you still don't hear much about Arizona.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 07, 2009, 07:24:38 PM
Haha that tree really stands out in the crowd rushing the field.
Quote from: BerkutFunny that we were picked what - seventh in the conference?
Yeah it was all about USC, Oregon, and kinda Cal during the preseason. Edit: And really, you still don't hear much about Arizona.
And that is just fine with me, to be honest.
Don't worry about Arizona, we've sucked for a long time, worry about next week...this week is a gimme!
Quote from: Berkut on November 07, 2009, 07:04:54 PM
None to you, I am sure. After all, you are a Ravens fan. Sucker punching someone is hardly anything to get worked up over.
It's good to see that you're not capable of anything other than ad homs.
Quote from: Neil on November 07, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 07, 2009, 07:04:54 PM
None to you, I am sure. After all, you are a Ravens fan. Sucker punching someone is hardly anything to get worked up over.
It's good to see that you're not capable of anything other than ad homs.
Interesting that you consider "Ravens fan" to be a personal attack. :lol:
Woot the Huskies snatched defeat from the jaws of Victory!
:weep:
A gift for Berkie: (NSFW)
http://deadspin.com/5399517/so-the-university-of-arizona-had-an-undie-run
Quote from: Berkut on November 07, 2009, 07:33:31 PM
Interesting that you consider "Ravens fan" to be a personal attack. :lol:
An ad hom isn't necessarily a personal attack. It is a style of argumentation that attempts to dismiss the other party because of a personal characteristic of theirs.
You just keep beating that strawman though, and let me know how it works out for you.
Quote from: Berkut on November 07, 2009, 05:27:51 PM
They would probably only win 4 games in the ACC bad!
Hey now. :mad:
Quote from: Berkut on November 07, 2009, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 07, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 07, 2009, 07:04:54 PM
None to you, I am sure. After all, you are a Ravens fan. Sucker punching someone is hardly anything to get worked up over.
It's good to see that you're not capable of anything other than ad homs.
Interesting that you consider "Ravens fan" to be a personal attack. :lol:
It's very personal. :cry: :mad:
This FSU-Clemson game is pretty interesting.
Far more interesting than the Vandy-Florida scrimmage.
Quote from: Berkut on November 07, 2009, 06:45:05 PM
I bet a million fake internet dollars that after this beating Oregon decides that Blount has shown enough contrition and Chip begs the Pac-10 to let him come back.
Unless they let him be a 12th man on the defense I have no idea what difference Blount, or anyone else could have made. :rolleyes:
New BCS Poll:
1 Florida 9-0
2 Alabama 9-0
3 Texas 9-0
4 TCU 9-0
5 Cincinnati 9-0
6 Boise State 9-0
7 Georgia Tech 9-1
8 LSU 7-2
9 USC 7-2
10 Iowa 9-1
11 Ohio State 8-2
12 Pittsburgh 8-1
13 Oregon 7-2
14 Miami (FL) 7-2
15 Houston 8-1
16 Utah 8-1
17 Arizona 6-2
18 Penn State 8-2
19 Oklahoma State 7-2
20 Wisconsin 7-2
21 Virginia Tech 6-3
22 Brigham Young 7-2
23 Oregon State 6-3
24 South Florida 6-2
25 West Virginia 7-2
TCU leapfroggin Cincinnati = bullshit.
But I'll accept the charity of WVU being ranked :D
Quote from: derspiess on November 08, 2009, 06:17:37 PM
TCU leapfroggin Cincinnati = bullshit.
But I'll accept the charity of WVU being ranked :D
They are just setting Cincy up for the fall.
Quote from: derspiess on November 08, 2009, 06:17:37 PM
TCU leapfroggin Cincinnati = bullshit.
You don't like being the 7th best conference, huh. :P
Next up is Cal, at Cal.
It seems unlikely that Best will be ok by then - anyone see that fall he took? Ugly - I was worried he would really be hurt, but it looks like it is just a concussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwx61NaGt0
Even with Best, Arizona is a better team in almost every facet of the game, at least statistically. Of course, Cal has already played OU and USC, so those stats are a little suspect.
But Arizona hasn't won at Cal in, oh, forever.
Some talk about the Pac-10 needs to revise our scheduling - with the way we are the only conference in America of note that still plays a true conference schedule, and being the toughest conference top to bottom, the thinking is that we are not going to have much luck getting into championship games if we don't go with playing more patsies, like everyone else does.
:lol:
Florida > USC
Vandy > Washington St.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 09:22:31 PM
:lol:
Florida > USC
Vandy > Washington St.
SEC is a three team conference. And Vandy is actually not better than WSU. They are both garbage.
Pac-10 has 6 top-25 teams. SEC has 3.
The MWC has 3 :)
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 09:36:27 PM
Pac-10 has 6 top-25 teams. SEC has 3.
The Big 12 has two! Frankly I find even that number a bit questionable.
This weekend definitely showed this league is nothing but a total shitfest. Every team races each other to 6-6 mediocrity.
So what happens if both TCU and Boise St. end the year in the top 6? Do both get to go to a BCS game?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 08, 2009, 09:48:12 PM
So what happens if both TCU and Boise St. end the year in the top 6? Do both get to go to a BCS game?
Hopefully neither of them do.
Quick calculations- off conference records so far this year
SEC 35-6
Pac 10 20-9
But the Pac 10 schedules WAC teams so I guess that makes up for it...
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 08, 2009, 09:48:12 PM
So what happens if both TCU and Boise St. end the year in the top 6? Do both get to go to a BCS game?
Hopefully neither of them do.
This, but unfortunately one of them is guaranteed a BCS bid.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 10:08:21 PM
Quick calculations- off conference records so far this year
SEC 35-6
Pac 10 20-9
But the Pac 10 schedules WAC teams so I guess that makes up for it...
Those records are completely meaningless without who those wins are against. I mean Texas has not lost a non-conference game since 2006 but um...most of those games have been against Central Florida and Louisiana Monroe.
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 09:52:14 PM
Hopefully neither of them do.
Why all the hate for the MWC?
Quote from: Valmy on November 08, 2009, 10:09:49 PM
Those records are completely meaningless without who those wins are against. I mean Texas has not lost a non-conference game since 2006 but um...most of those games have been against Central Florida and Louisiana Monroe.
Well, mostly it's SEC teams beating up on small Southern schools and Pac 10 teams beating up on small Western schools. I don't think it's completely meaningless though; it does say something about the quality of the teams on the bottom of the conference.
Quote from: Valmy on November 08, 2009, 10:10:26 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 09:52:14 PM
Hopefully neither of them do.
Why all the hate for the MWC?
Because it is the non-BCS conference that actually has been (at least for the past 6 years) stronger than at least one of the BCS conferences. You have to hate what you fear. :)
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 08, 2009, 09:48:12 PM
So what happens if both TCU and Boise St. end the year in the top 6? Do both get to go to a BCS game?
Only the higher ranked team is guaranteed a slot. Given that TCU still has a top-25 team on their schedule (and the MIGHTY University of Wyoming), if they win out they should get it.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 10:08:21 PM
Quick calculations- off conference records so far this year
SEC 35-6
Pac 10 20-9
But the Pac 10 schedules WAC teams so I guess that makes up for it...
Actually, what makes up for it is that the SEC plays more OOC games. Rather than play against their own conference, they each play one more game out of conference. And they sure aren't replacing a SEC game with anything but some crap school they can pound on.
That makes a huge difference, and is one reason why the Pac-10 has by far the best overall SOS in the country.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 08, 2009, 10:09:49 PM
Those records are completely meaningless without who those wins are against. I mean Texas has not lost a non-conference game since 2006 but um...most of those games have been against Central Florida and Louisiana Monroe.
Well, mostly it's SEC teams beating up on small Southern schools and Pac 10 teams beating up on small Western schools. I don't think it's completely meaningless though; it does say something about the quality of the teams on the bottom of the conference.
USC played Ohio State and Notre Dame
Oregon played Boise State, Purdue and Utah
Oregon State played Cincinnati
Cal played Maryland and Minnesota
Washington played LSU and Notre Dame
ASU went to Georgia
Arizona played in Iowa
UCLA played at Tennessee
Stanford played at Wake Forest and Notre Dame
The Pac-10 regularly plays the best non-conference schedule of any BCS conference, and it isn't really close.
I would love to see a playoff system that takes 16 teams.
And you know what? They should choose the teams by committee, like the NCAA hoops tourney does.
And if you play nothing but patsy's in your OOC, that should matter, just like it does in the hoops tourney.
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
I would love to see a playoff system that takes 16 teams.
And you know what? They should choose the teams by committee, like the NCAA hoops tourney does.
And if you play nothing but patsy's in your OOC, that should matter, just like it does in the hoops tourney.
I am not big on the idea of a playoff but that is the only real option for one; the 10 Div 1 conference winners and 6 at large bids chosen by committee. It would hurt the regular season but there is no other viable playoff ideas. This year the SEC Championship game would be irrelevant, both Florida and Alabama would be in the playoff no matter what happened in the SEC CG,
Not at all irrelevant, since seeding will be based on the outcome of that game.
Where are you getting the 6 ranked teams from? I don't see more than 4 anywhere. The USA Today poll just has 3(and it ranks Auburn as well).
Quote from: stjaba on November 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
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I'm glad you posted that, because I was going to yell at you.
Face it, fellas: the SEC Championship game will be the National Championship game.
Everything else just gives you something to do while you're eating holiday leftovers.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 10:37:08 PM
Where are you getting the 6 ranked teams from? I don't see more than 4 anywhere. The USA Today poll just has 3(and it ranks Auburn as well).
Sagarin ratings, which is, as far as I know, the only ranking that actually rank conferences in any kind of objective manner.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: stjaba on November 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
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I'm glad you posted that, because I was going to yell at you.
And neither of those teams would get out of the Pac-10 without at least one loss, probably two.
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
Sagarin ratings, which is, as far as I know, the only ranking that actually rank conferences in any kind of objective manner.
Computer rankings aren't allowed to consider the scores, which makes them highly suspect imo.
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
Sagarin ratings, which is, as far as I know, the only ranking that actually rank conferences in any kind of objective manner.
Sagarin had Texas at 14 behind lots of 2 loss teams...which I find rather absurd even for a computer :P
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: stjaba on November 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
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I'm glad you posted that, because I was going to yell at you.
And neither of those teams would get out of the Pac-10 without at least one loss, probably two.
You're talking about Florida and Alabama, right?
Just making sure that you are, in fact, making the claim that Florida and Alabama, if they were in the PAC-10 would have 1 if not 2 losses. Correct? You're actually saying that, right?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: stjaba on November 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
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I'm glad you posted that, because I was going to yell at you.
And neither of those teams would get out of the Pac-10 without at least one loss, probably two.
You're talking about Florida and Alabama, right?
Just making sure that you are, in fact, making the claim that Florida and Alabama, if they were in the PAC-10 would have 1 if not 2 losses. Correct? You're actually saying that, right?
Yep.
Quote from: Valmy on November 08, 2009, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
Sagarin ratings, which is, as far as I know, the only ranking that actually rank conferences in any kind of objective manner.
Sagarin had Texas at 14 behind lots of 2 loss teams...which I find rather absurd even for a computer :P
Shrug. It is a computer - of course it is going to have some odd ranking in particulars.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:55:56 PM
You're talking about Florida and Alabama, right?
Just making sure that you are, in fact, making the claim that Florida and Alabama, if they were in the PAC-10 would have 1 if not 2 losses. Correct? You're actually saying that, right?
Any given Saturday, and whatnot. If you increase the number of quality games that a team plays, you increase their chances of losing.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 10:53:06 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
Sagarin ratings, which is, as far as I know, the only ranking that actually rank conferences in any kind of objective manner.
Computer rankings aren't allowed to consider the scores, which makes them highly suspect imo.
How so? Score is often a crappy measure of a teams quality, since it just gives even more credit to teams for playing shitty opponents.
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 11:00:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: stjaba on November 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
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I'm glad you posted that, because I was going to yell at you.
And neither of those teams would get out of the Pac-10 without at least one loss, probably two.
You're talking about Florida and Alabama, right?
Just making sure that you are, in fact, making the claim that Florida and Alabama, if they were in the PAC-10 would have 1 if not 2 losses. Correct? You're actually saying that, right?
Yep.
That's it. You're going straight to Occupational Health first thing tomorrow AM. You have a little cup to fill. With urine this time.
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 11:01:35 PM
How so? Score is often a crappy measure of a teams quality, since it just gives even more credit to teams for playing shitty opponents.
So a team that beats a mediocre opponent by a field goal gets a boost over a team that trounces a crap opponent by 50? Sounds like you're basically giving double weight to strength of schedule.
Humans consider both the score and the quality of the opponent when evaluating the outcome of a game. Computers aren't allowed that luxury.
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:34:14 PM
Not at all irrelevant, since seeding will be based on the outcome of that game.
The loser would likely still be a top 6 seed, so maybe not completely irrelevant but mostly so.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:43:10 PM
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Quote from: stjaba on November 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
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I'm glad you posted that, because I was going to yell at you.
And neither of those teams would get out of the Pac-10 without at least one loss, probably two.
You're talking about Florida and Alabama, right?
Just making sure that you are, in fact, making the claim that Florida and Alabama, if they were in the PAC-10 would have 1 if not 2 losses. Correct? You're actually saying that, right?
Seems reasonable to me. :)
Yeah but you probably think ranking Oregon ahead of Boise is reasonable too(as does Sagarin and by extension, Berkut) :P
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 11:21:21 PM
Yeah but you probably think ranking Oregon ahead of Boise is reasonable too(as does Sagarin and by extension, Berkut) :P
Well not now, obviously; but had Oregon won out I think it would have been reasonable, but I would understand anyone else who disagreed with me.
I am curious how USC is ahead of Oregon now though. :blink:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 11:21:21 PM
Yeah but you probably think ranking Oregon ahead of Boise is reasonable too(as does Sagarin and by extension, Berkut) :P
If someone asked me to do a poll, I would not rank Oregon over Boise St.
If someone asked me to come up with a computerized and objective algorithm for ranking teams, it would not at all surprise if said ranking had Oregon over Boise St., at least up until last week.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 11:11:05 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 11:01:35 PM
How so? Score is often a crappy measure of a teams quality, since it just gives even more credit to teams for playing shitty opponents.
So a team that beats a mediocre opponent by a field goal gets a boost over a team that trounces a crap opponent by 50? Sounds like you're basically giving double weight to strength of schedule.
Not at all - beating a average or mediocre team by a field goal SHOULD count for more than beating some patsy by 50. It isn't hard to beat a patsy by any number, and giving more than human weight to SOS creates extremely adverse incentives in scheduling.
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Humans consider both the score and the quality of the opponent when evaluating the outcome of a game. Computers aren't allowed that luxury.
Indeed, because it would be impossible to come up with a algorithm that was objective that would not immediately be exploited if you threw in something like SOS.
So now when a human sees that USC struggled to get past ASU, they can say that is meaningful, while Florida beating up on Southwest Lousiiana State College of Law by 48 is not.
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 12:04:33 AM
Not at all - beating a average or mediocre team by a field goal SHOULD count for more than beating some patsy by 50. It isn't hard to beat a patsy by any number, and giving more than human weight to SOS creates extremely adverse incentives in scheduling.
I don't think of high rankings as rewards so much. It should be, which team do I think has played better this year and which would I expect to win if they played each other now. Narrow victories against mediocre teams show vulnerability. Blowout wins against patsies don't, other than lack of confidence on the part of the AD.
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Indeed, because it would be impossible to come up with a algorithm that was objective that would not immediately be exploited if you threw in something like SOS.
So now when a human sees that USC struggled to get past ASU, they can say that is meaningful, while Florida beating up on Southwest Lousiiana State College of Law by 48 is not.
Agreed, and that's why I prefer the human polls to the computer ones.
But even human polls have their flaws. For instance, in the Harris and Coach's Polls, USC is now rated ahead of Oregon, even though Oregon beat the Trojans 2 weeks ago.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 09, 2009, 12:30:28 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 12:04:33 AM
Not at all - beating a average or mediocre team by a field goal SHOULD count for more than beating some patsy by 50. It isn't hard to beat a patsy by any number, and giving more than human weight to SOS creates extremely adverse incentives in scheduling.
I don't think of high rankings as rewards so much. It should be, which team do I think has played better this year and which would I expect to win if they played each other now. Narrow victories against mediocre teams show vulnerability. Blowout wins against patsies don't, other than lack of confidence on the part of the AD.
I think beating a patsy by any number tells you nothing about a team.
Beating a mediocre team however, tells you that you beat a mediocre team. Which means that you are, at least in theory, better than mediocre.
And it isn't about rewards, it is about what the game tells you. Florida can beat WSU by 50, and so can Arizona, and so can OSU. So what?
The real issue is that if you give MoV weight in the computer polls, you are going to reward good teams even more for playing shit teams, and then running up the score on them, since the computer algorithms cannot possibly be sophisticated enough to not be exploited.
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Indeed, because it would be impossible to come up with a algorithm that was objective that would not immediately be exploited if you threw in something like SOS.
So now when a human sees that USC struggled to get past ASU, they can say that is meaningful, while Florida beating up on Southwest Lousiiana State College of Law by 48 is not.
Agreed, and that's why I prefer the human polls to the computer ones.
But human polls have an entirely different set of problems, in that they are not objective at all, and do in fact rewards not losing way too much, which then creates crap like the SEC never playing anyone OOC, and even having most conferences play fewer conference games so they can load up on patsies.
I don't think computer polls are better per se, but they are more objective, and more useful for comparing aggregate numbers, like SoS and such, or overall conference strength from top to bottom. They will however, have their inevitable outliers, of course.
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 12:39:46 AM
I think beating a patsy by any number tells you nothing about a team.
Beating a mediocre team however, tells you that you beat a mediocre team. Which means that you are, at least in theory, better than mediocre.
I agree on the first point. There shouldn't be any real upside to beating a team you're expected to blow out.
However, if you struggle against a team you're expected to beat easily, that's reason to downgrade the expectations. The computers won't catch that, to them a win is a win, period.
p.s. Central Michigan and Northern Arizona? :lol: Methinks you're overstating the SOS differences just a tad. Heck, every team in the SEC except Ole Miss has at least one non-conference game against a BCS foe.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 09, 2009, 02:49:51 AM
p.s. Central Michigan and Northern Arizona? :lol: Methinks you're overstating the SOS differences just a tad. Heck, every team in the SEC except Ole Miss has at least one non-conference game against a BCS foe.
NAU is a patsy of course.
Central Michigan is actually rather good - I think they have two losses this year. Certainly not a patsy at all.
And of course you are kind of forgetting Iowa. Funny that.
And the real kicker is not comparing 3 OOC games to the SECs three - it is comparing that 4th OOC games that they play against Arizona playing USC/Oregon/OSU/Cal/Stanford. That is why the Pac-10 has such a strong SOS, compared to the SEC, that 4th game is being played against a top-50, if not top-25 team, rather than another blowout against some patsy.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 09, 2009, 02:49:51 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 12:39:46 AM
I think beating a patsy by any number tells you nothing about a team.
Beating a mediocre team however, tells you that you beat a mediocre team. Which means that you are, at least in theory, better than mediocre.
I agree on the first point. There shouldn't be any real upside to beating a team you're expected to blow out.
And that is the problem with the human polls - there is upside to it - you get to continue to be talked about as a national title contender for blowing away a bunch of them every year. The way the system works now, the Pac-10 is foolish to play such a strong OOC schedule, and not load up with yet another patsy in place of a conference game.
At least from the perspective of getting into BCS bowl games. Why risk having a bad day against a decent team when you can just pummel some joke of a school like the SEC does? Much less playing another conference opponent.
The only real solution to this is simple: Let the MWC into the BCS group and continue to exclude all the rest. :)
Screw all this arguing about conferences and polls and computers. Who fucking cares?
Arizona is going into the next 4 games controlling their own destiny, and they can win every single game. Who would have thought that was possible?
Me, actually - I was rather surprised that Arizona got so little respect after their finish last year.
I didn't really think they would be 4-1 in the conference though, much less in a position to win it outright if they take care of business. Beating Oregon and USC is a pretty tall order though, not to mention Cal at home and of course ASU. I am sure ASU would just love to be a spoiler for a change.
Here is to hoping OU drops the game to nOSU.
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 08:52:21 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 09, 2009, 02:49:51 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 12:39:46 AM
I think beating a patsy by any number tells you nothing about a team.
Beating a mediocre team however, tells you that you beat a mediocre team. Which means that you are, at least in theory, better than mediocre.
I agree on the first point. There shouldn't be any real upside to beating a team you're expected to blow out.
And that is the problem with the human polls - there is upside to it - you get to continue to be talked about as a national title contender for blowing away a bunch of them every year. The way the system works now, the Pac-10 is foolish to play such a strong OOC schedule, and not load up with yet another patsy in place of a conference game.
At least from the perspective of getting into BCS bowl games. Why risk having a bad day against a decent team when you can just pummel some joke of a school like the SEC does? Much less playing another conference opponent.
Of course, the upside is if you can go undefeated, then a good strenght of schedule will put you into the BCS title game.
BTW, I agree with you that the Pac-10 overall plays the best OOC schedule.
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 08:50:02 AM
And the real kicker is not comparing 3 OOC games to the SECs three - it is comparing that 4th OOC games that they play against Arizona playing USC/Oregon/OSU/Cal/Stanford. That is why the Pac-10 has such a strong SOS, compared to the SEC, that 4th game is being played against a top-50, if not top-25 team, rather than another blowout against some patsy.
That 9th game against a conference foe makes the individual schools have a tougher strength of schedule but it says nothing about the conference overall. One team will win and one team will lose. For conference comparisons, out of conference games are the only ways to measure success. Does the Pac 10 have a tougher out of conference schedule than the SEC? That's fairly likely, though I'm not going to go check out all 22 teams schedules right now to analyze it. Is it tough enough to claim they've done better winning 70% of those games to the SEC's 85%? I doubt it.
And the funny thing about the statement that started this discussion: The SEC is clearly better at the top, and I'd say better at the bottom as well. It's the middle parts where the Pac-10 is arguably better this year; lots of 2 and 3 loss teams. Though of course that's helped by USC/Oregon/Arizona losing some games to those teams in the middle.
Of course the Pac-10 winning 70% of fewer games against better opponents is better than the SEC winning 85% of their games, when they play 1 extra game each against some chump.
Take away 12 of those games that are sure wins, and where are they?
And playing those games against in conference opponents certainly does say something about the conference overall - it says that a Pac-10 team with 2 losses is NOT clearly inferior to a SEC team with ones loss (or 3 vs 2, or whatever).
Because the SEC team basically took a buy that week, instead of actually playing a game like the Pac-10 does. That should be worth something - it isn't, of course, but it should be.
Quote from: PDH on November 09, 2009, 08:54:24 AM
The only real solution to this is simple: Let the MWC into the BCS group and continue to exclude all the rest. :)
Go back to the old system.
QuoteDeep thoughts.
The Big East has four teams in this week's top 25 (Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, South Florida and West Virginia), tying the Pac-10 and Big Ten for the most of any conference.
The SEC has three teams (tying it with the Mountain West and ACC), but all three are in the top eight, even though Alabama and Florida's only victories over another top-20 team are over LSU, and LSU has no wins over another team in the top 25.
The Big 12 has two teams, Texas and Oklahoma State.
I miss the Oklahoma and Nebraska game meaning something. The game Saturday was a shadow of its former self. :(
Have you guys seen the new Nike "Pro Combat" uniforms they're slowly unveiling? TCU and VT so far:
http://www.nike.com/nikeos/p/usnikefootball/en_US/
Hm. Wonder what the other teams are (Oregon is probably one, I guess).
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
I miss the Oklahoma and Nebraska game meaning something. The game Saturday was a shadow of its former self. :(
Osborne vs Switzer or even earlier than that old man?
Ohio State better not fuck with their uniforms.
I've already got a bad feeling about the Michigan game with the throwbacks.
Quote from: katmai on November 09, 2009, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
I miss the Oklahoma and Nebraska game meaning something. The game Saturday was a shadow of its former self. :(
Osborne vs Switzer or even earlier than that old man?
My memory only goes back so far.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:42:27 PM
Ohio State better not fuck with their uniforms.
I've already got a bad feeling about the Michigan game with the throwbacks.
Hell I thought that
was Ohio State when I first opened the page.
Edit: Florida State is one: http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110509aac.html
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 09, 2009, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
I miss the Oklahoma and Nebraska game meaning something. The game Saturday was a shadow of its former self. :(
Osborne vs Switzer or even earlier than that old man?
My memory only goes back so far.
Who was the Oklahoma QB in mid 80's? All i can recall from those teams were the Boz and Keith Jackson.
And dammit I miss Lemonjello not being around to hear the lamentations of his Noles.
Quote from: katmai on November 09, 2009, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 09, 2009, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
I miss the Oklahoma and Nebraska game meaning something. The game Saturday was a shadow of its former self. :(
Osborne vs Switzer or even earlier than that old man?
My memory only goes back so far.
Who was the Oklahoma QB in mid 80's? All i can recall from those teams were the Boz and Keith Jackson.
Dude. I'm not am s sports encyclopedia.
I just remember a lot of running plays from both teams.
Also, ick.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi200.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa298%2Fmarathon95%2FThrowback.jpg&hash=250aed23cd671b8db58fc5b5f5bf3a7552a06953)
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:53:11 PM
Dude. I'm not am s sports encyclopedia.
I just remember a lot of running plays from both teams.
:lol:
fair enough, but put the question out there hoping someone else would remember, but I guess i can just google it :P
Quote from: katmai on November 09, 2009, 01:47:26 PM
Who was the Oklahoma QB in mid 80's? All i can recall from those teams were the Boz and Keith Jackson.
Jamelle Holliday or something like that.
That's the throwback? Oh my
Jamelle Holieway
Quote from: Valmy on November 09, 2009, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 09, 2009, 01:47:26 PM
Who was the Oklahoma QB in mid 80's? All i can recall from those teams were the Boz and Keith Jackson.
Jamelle Holliday or something like that.
I knew you would know :hug:
DAMN YOU VALMY!
Quote from: katmai on November 09, 2009, 01:54:40 PM
That's the throwback? Oh my
Ohio state people have been emphasizing it is a one time deal, because they know there will be a lynching if tradition is fucked with too much.
And by too much, they mean any changes.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:55:12 PM
DAMN YOU VALMY!
I had the pleasure of watching him kick the shit out of Texas for three straight years.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 09, 2009, 01:54:40 PM
That's the throwback? Oh my
Ohio state people have been emphasizing it is a one time deal, because they know there will be a lynching if tradition is fucked with too much.
And by too much, they mean any changes.
Texas's throwbacks look exactly the same as their present Unis except they have numbers on the helmets.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Falt.coxnewsweb.com%2Fshared-blogs%2Faustin%2Flonghorns%2Fupload%2F2009%2F07%2Fnew_look_for_am%2FTexas_Royal_uniform_1.jpg&hash=d8261ad9b10eb20f9a5426fec4275571c4267bf9)
So I do not really see the point of them.
Yeah i just remember run,run,run, some more run, then a 30 yard pass to Jackson for a TD :P
U Dub's throwbacks were worn a few years ago back when they wore Navy Blue jerseys instead of Purple.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:53:54 PM
Also, ick.
<uniform picture>
Wow.
Quote from: ValmyTexas's throwbacks look exactly the same as their present Unis except they have numbers on the helmets.
Thank god. Edit: I do kinda dig the numbers on the helmets, if only because on that particular type of helmet, when the logo is in it's usual spot, it looks strangely like one of the horns is continuing down at a weird angle (because of that hold right there). The numbers move the logo down, so that's no longer an "issue." :P What can I say? I sperg out about the little things.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
I miss the Oklahoma and Nebraska game meaning something. The game Saturday was a shadow of its former self. :(
Nebraska ruined their program by hiring Callahan.
They are coming back now they they remembered they are not Texas Tech of the north.
All this reminiscing has made me misty eyed remembering watching football on TV in the fall back in the 80's.
I'm going to have to go compose myself, before I start blubbering for Earl Bruce.
Quote from: Valmy on November 09, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
They are coming back now they they remembered they are not Texas Tech of the north.
Nebraska should hire Paul Johnson (they'll have to take him away from GT) to make up for that stupid wannabe TTU shit.
Edit: Apparently, Miami and
LSU are in on that Nike uniform thing too. :huh:
Quote from: katmai on November 09, 2009, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 09, 2009, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
I miss the Oklahoma and Nebraska game meaning something. The game Saturday was a shadow of its former self. :(
Osborne vs Switzer or even earlier than that old man?
My memory only goes back so far.
Who was the Oklahoma QB in mid 80's? All i can recall from those teams were the Boz and Keith Jackson.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.andyfilm.com%2Fstonecold07.jpg&hash=94fa45a8e186f0f1262d98eef5a21053712ad67c)
:w00t:
Oh, Berkut:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4637797
QuoteSuspended running back LeGarrette Blount has been reinstated by Oregon.
Blount will be available to play Saturday when the Ducks (No. 13 BCS; No. 14 AP) host Arizona State. The following week Pac-10 leader Oregon visits Arizona in a showdown for first place in the conference.
Blount was suspended for punching Boise State defensive end Byron Hout in the aftermath of Oregon's season-opening loss to the Broncos. He was suspended for the season by Kelly the next day, but allowed to continue practicing with the team.
Kelly later announced that Blount could be reinstated if he met certain conditions.
"I'm grateful to Coach Kelly that he cares enough to offer me this second chance," Blount said. "Now it is up to me to prove to people that their lasting impressions of me are not what they saw in Boise.
"When I am ready to address this further with the public and the media, I will do so," Blount added. "Until that time, I feel my actions can speak louder than anything I could say. I just want to help my teammates who have been supportive of me."
Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said in a statement that he believed Blount learned from the incident and deserved another chance.
"After a thorough review of the situation, I am convinced LeGarrette Blount paid a significant and appropriate price for the mistakes he made on the field, and that he has learned important life-long lessons," Scott said.
:D
Shocked I am! Simply shocked!
I know this decision has nothing to do with football, of course, and everything to do with this young mans proven contrition which he has shown by taking the unprecedented move of attending class. And sometimes, when convenient for him, playing on the scout team.
Quote from: Valmy on November 09, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
I miss the Oklahoma and Nebraska game meaning something. The game Saturday was a shadow of its former self. :(
Nebraska ruined their program by hiring Callahan.
They are coming back now they they remembered they are not Texas Tech of the north.
Well, the problem wasn't that Callahan's West Coast offense couldn't work in the Big Twelve, as was often claimed. The problem was that Callahan's defense got to the point it couldn't stop anybody's offense.
Apparently the Pac-10 is 6-5 against other BCS schools. Pure dominance.
(I actually kind of enjoy looking over the schedules and tabulating that stuff :blush:)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 09, 2009, 03:21:19 PM
Apparently the Pac-10 is 6-5 against other BCS schools. Pure dominance.
(I actually kind of enjoy looking over the schedules and tabulating that stuff :blush:)
Who said anything about dominance?
And why are you choosing "other BCS schools" as your metric?
How about we look at record against top-20 opponents outside the conference? What is the SECs record there? 0-0?
Quote from: dps on November 09, 2009, 02:47:37 PM
Well, the problem wasn't that Callahan's West Coast offense couldn't work in the Big Twelve, as was often claimed. The problem was that Callahan's defense got to the point it couldn't stop anybody's offense.
It was not a question of X's and O's really. Nebraska had a way of doing things and a certain philosophy about their program he abandoned. Even if Nebraska ends up going to a pro-style offense of some sort they really needed a Nebraska guy to run that program.
Against BCS i believe that SEC is 8-4.
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 03:22:50 PM
How about we look at record against top-20 opponents outside the conference? What is the SECs record there? 0-0?
Oklahoma State is top 20 so they are at least 0-1 :P
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 09, 2009, 02:06:16 PM
All this reminiscing has made me misty eyed remembering watching football on TV in the fall back in the 80's.
I'm going to have to go compose myself, before I start blubbering for Earl Bruce.
I feels better. I gots me some tickets for the Iowa game. :)
Against top 25 (at game time) I make the SEC 1-3:
Georgia lost to OK State.
Vanderbilt lost to Georgia Tech.
Alabama beat Va. Tech.
MS State lost to Georgia Tech.
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 03:22:50 PM
Who said anything about dominance?
And why are you choosing "other BCS schools" as your metric?
How about we look at record against top-20 opponents outside the conference? What is the SECs record there? 0-0?
All you've given as real evidence for your claim is that one computer algorithm happens to rank the logjam of mid-upper Pac-10 teams around number 20. Even Sagarin doesn't make the claim that the Pac-10 is the toughest conference at the top though. And the fact that squeaking by the 40th ranked team gives you better results than blowing out the 41st makes computer polls dubious anyway. (Also, you seem to think that playing more games amongst themselves is indicative of something vs. other conferences.)
Evidence for a counter-claim that the SEC is currently the top conference:
3 straight national titles
6 bowl wins last year, 7 the year before
Best out of conference record so far this year
Best out of conference record against BCS teams so far this year
#1 and #2-3 ranked team this year
I'm not going to say any of that is conclusive; I'm sure any fans of the BCS conferences and even the MWC could cherry-pick some data that supports an assertion that their conference is the best. I will say that your assertion that the Pac-10 is the "toughest conference from top to bottom" remains unconvincing.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 09, 2009, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 03:22:50 PM
Who said anything about dominance?
And why are you choosing "other BCS schools" as your metric?
How about we look at record against top-20 opponents outside the conference? What is the SECs record there? 0-0?
All you've given as real evidence for your claim is that one computer algorithm happens to rank the logjam of mid-upper Pac-10 teams around number 20.
That is pretty good evidence for my claim though.
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Even Sagarin doesn't make the claim that the Pac-10 is the toughest conference at the top though.
I haven't amde that claim either, although I do claim that much of Alabama's and Florida's success is based on a rather decided effort not to play anyone.
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And the fact that squeaking by the 40th ranked team gives you better results than blowing out the 41st makes computer polls dubious anyway.
Not really, when you consider the aggregate. And since the issue is not "blowing out the 41st team" it is blowing out the 81st team rather than even playing the 40th ranked team at all, this objection is rather weak.
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(Also, you seem to think that playing more games amongst themselves is indicative of something vs. other conferences.)
It is - it is indicative of a tougher schedule, and suggests that blowing away nobodies in order to avoid playing in your own conference is rather lame, and nothing to brag about. It is paying the system in order to get that magical -0 that means you get to be considered for the national title game.
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Evidence for a counter-claim that the SEC is currently the top conference:
3 straight national titles
Says nothing about the quality of the conference top to bottom though, only about how good Florida/Alabama/LSU are.
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6 bowl wins last year, 7 the year before
That is a pretty good argument, for last year and the year before at least.
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Best out of conference record so far this year
Meaningless when compared to the Pac-10, since they play a lot more OOC games against terrible teams. Take away 12 of those wins against cupcakes, and their OOC record isn't any better, and even at that their OOC SoS is terrible.
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Best out of conference record against BCS teams so far this year
What about their OOC record against GOOD teams this year? Have Florida or Alabama played a single top-20 opponent OOC this year? ONE???
They each play 4 OOC games, and they could not bother to schedule a couple that might give them a challenge?
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#1 and #2-3 ranked team this year
Says nothing about anything but those two teams, which we all agree are very, very good.
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I'm not going to say any of that is conclusive; I'm sure any fans of the BCS conferences and even the MWC could cherry-pick some data that supports an assertion that their conference is the best. I will say that your assertion that the Pac-10 is the "toughest conference from top to bottom" remains unconvincing.
I would say that your rebuttal doesn't even address my contention, but instead just focuses on the top few teams in a conference that understand very well how the rankings work, and schedules accordingly.
My contention may not be convincing to YOU, but that is more about you than anything else.
For berkie from the post i had earlier today
"even though Alabama and Florida's only victories over another top-20 team are over LSU, and LSU has no wins over another team in the top 25"
And Alabama and Florida don't play each other, right? Unless they reach the title game?
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 04:19:22 PM
What about their OOC record against GOOD teams this year? Have Florida or Alabama played a single top-20 opponent OOC this year? ONE???
Alabama scheduled Virginia Tech top open the season. Not their fault the Hokies haven't lived up to expectations. Last year, they opened against Clemson, another pre-season top team who ened up sucking. Hard to be fault Alabama when other teams don't live up to expectations, especially when many of these games are scheduled years in advance. Florida has FSU scheduled every year, who historically is a top team. Last year UF had Miami scheduled, but unfortunately the U was mediocre last year. Next year UF has USF scheduled. This seems like it would be a good OOC game pre-season, but that analysis may not bear out at the end of the season. All I'm saying is that it is unfair to penalize teams when OOC opponents don't live up to expectation.
Also, you make a big deal out of the extra in-conference game that the Pac-10 has. But the Pac-10 doesnt have a championship game like the SEC does. This extra game is always going to be a good opponent. The championship game makes it that much harder to get to the BCS game.
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
And Alabama and Florida don't play each other, right? Unless they reach the title game?
I believe that to be correct, the SEC title game that is :P
QuoteNot their fault the Hokies haven't lived up to expectations.
When have the Hokies ever lived up to expectations? 1998?
Quote from: Valmy on November 09, 2009, 04:49:22 PM
QuoteNot their fault the Hokies haven't lived up to expectations.
When have the Hokies ever lived up to expectations? 1998?
Good question, but they're certainly a perrenial top 20 team.
It doesn't make it harder for the conference to get someone into the BCS game though. One tough game per year is no great sacrifice, especially when you are scheduling cupcakes the rest of the year.
And that is only two teams anyway - its not like the loser of the that game is going to the Alamo Bowl, they will still get to a BCS bowl with its massive payout to the conference.
And that extra conference game IS a big deal. Such a big deal that I bet it doesn't last - the way the system is setup right now, it is just too harmful to the conference. The Pac-10 will likely go the way of the other conferences, and forgo it in favor of another game against some cupcake, so the conference can get more teams into more BCS bowl games.
Alabama played Virginia Tech. Florida will play Florida St. as they do every year.
And there's your 9th conference game for a lot of SEC teams- Georgia always plays Tech, Florida plays Florida St, South Carolina plays Clemson, Kentucky plays Louisville. Probably one of the main reasons they play only 8 conference games.
And the Pac-10 isn't immune from scheduling patsies either. Boise St. may be decent, but that doesn't mean the rest of the WAC aren't basically pushovers. As I mentioned before, the Pac 10 is 6-5 against BCS schools, that means they've only played 11 of 29 non-conference games against those teams.
Ultimately though, just having the hardest schedule isn't enough- you also have to win the games.
Quote from: Valmy on November 09, 2009, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: dps on November 09, 2009, 02:47:37 PM
Well, the problem wasn't that Callahan's West Coast offense couldn't work in the Big Twelve, as was often claimed. The problem was that Callahan's defense got to the point it couldn't stop anybody's offense.
It was not a question of X's and O's really. Nebraska had a way of doing things and a certain philosophy about their program he abandoned. Even if Nebraska ends up going to a pro-style offense of some sort they really needed a Nebraska guy to run that program.
That stuff's over-rated. Look at Alabama--for years after Bear Bryant retired, they tried to hire the best "Alabama man" they could find, and while they had some good teams during that time, they were never as consistantly good as they were under Bryant. They're back on top now because they quit looking for an Alabama guy, and just went out and hire the guy they thought was the best coach available.
I will still require Berkut to meet me at dawn on the green with pistols for his ignoble, craven and downright insulting statement that Florida and Alabama would be 1- if not 2-loss teams in the PAC-10.
Bring seconds. I select StJaBa.
Quote from: dps on November 09, 2009, 07:01:29 PM
That stuff's over-rated. Look at Alabama--for years after Bear Bryant retired, they tried to hire the best "Alabama man" they could find, and while they had some good teams during that time, they were never as consistantly good as they were under Bryant. They're back on top now because they quit looking for an Alabama guy, and just went out and hire the guy they thought was the best coach available.
Gene Stallings was fine, until the alumni association ran him out of town.
Remember who pays the bills, man.
Please see: Willingham, Ty
Please see: Weiss, Charlie
Quote from: Berkut on November 09, 2009, 04:52:08 PM
It doesn't make it harder for the conference to get someone into the BCS game though. One tough game per year is no great sacrifice, especially when you are scheduling cupcakes the rest of the year.
The Pac-10 typically has several cupcakes, so it's only fair that the SEC gets to schedule OOC cupcakes. And honestly, IMO, Pac-10 OOC scheduling isn't very impressive anyways.
For example, Arizona's OOC opponents next year: Citadel, at Toledo, and Iowa. The only "good" team there is Iowa, and honestly they're not even that good. Blah blah I know they're ranked well right now, but they've been lucky and are way over-rated this year, and have been generally mediocre the past few years. Citadel and Toledo are both auto-victories. Compare that to Florida, which has USF, @FSU, Miami(OH), and App State. Miami and App State are both auto victories(unless we play like Michigan circa 2007). USF has pulled off several upsets on the road in recent years, and FSU is bound to get better with all of its talent, plus they will be at home. I'd definitely prefer Arizona's OOC schedule to Florida's.
I'll admit the average SEC OOC schedule compared to the average PAC-10 OOC schedule is easier, but not by a significant margin. And on average, the SEC in-conference schedule year in and year out will be harder. This year may be an outlier, but typically the SEC will be harder than the Pac-10 and will have more ranked teams. Let's face it, in recent years the Pac-10 has been mediocre outside of USC, especially at the middle and bottom. And the main reason why the Pac-10 is open this year is that USC is having a down year, unlike previous seasons. Usually, it isn't very close. In the SEC, the competition will almost always be close.
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For reference, 2010 OOC schedules:
Alabama: San Jose St, Penn St, @Duke, Georgia St
Arkansas: Texas A&M, ?, ?, ?
Auburn: Arkansas State, Clemson, UT-Chat, Monroe
LSU: @Tulane, West Virginia, McNeese, Southern Miss
MSU: Memphis, UAB, @Houston, ?
Ole Miss: Jacksonville, @Tulane, Fresno State, UL-Laf
UF: Miami(OH), USF, AppSt, @FSU
UGA: Ul-Laf, @Colo, Idaho State, Georgia Tech
UK:@Lousville, Akron, WKen, CharSo
USC: Furman, Southern Miss, Troy, Clemson
UT: Akron, Oregon, UAB, @Memphis
Vandy: Northwestern, @UConn, @Emich, Wake
Pac-10's OOC schedule:
Arizona: @Toledo, Citadel, Iowa
Arizona State: Portland, @Wisconsin, ?
Cal: LATech, Colorado, ?
Oregon:NMexico, @UTenn, Portland
Oregon State: Louisville, @BoiseSt , ?
Stanford: WakeF, @NDame , ?
UCLA: @KState, Houston, @Texas
USC: @Hawaii, Virginia, @Minn, Notre Dame
UW: @BYU, Syracuse, Nebraska
WSU: @SMU, ?, ?
The only Pac-10 schedule that really impresses is UCLA. Several teams(Arizona, Cal, Oregon, USC) have multiple cupcakes. And I'll bet Arizona State adds a cupcake to its open spot. Nothing to really brag about. Getting to play Washington State every year is the equivalent of the extra cupcake the SEC teams get.
And playing Vanderbilt doesn't balance that?
Of course, WSU won the Pac-10 less than a decade ago.
The Pac-10's strength is that they are strong top to bottom - whipping out WSU in their worst season....well, ever, actually proves my point.
Arizona does have a pretty favorable OOC schedule next year. Be nice for a change, in fact. But the Pac-10 as a whole will play their normally tought OOC schedule, like they do every year, and the SEC will, as usual, load up largely with cupcakes, and like every non-Pac10 conference will even dodge a home game to load up yet another cupcake. And who can blame them? It is the smart move. Play as weak a schedule as you can, get that "undefeated" moniker, and PROFIT!
The system sucks, quite honestly.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 01:33:07 AM
And playing Vanderbilt doesn't balance that?
Vandy made a bowl last year. And they would go to more bowls more often if they didn't play in the SEC. And not every team gets to play Vandy every year- only the East does. Another factor is that all the good SEC teams usually don't get to play all the mediocre SEC teams every year. Why? Becase of the way the SEC schedule works. Every team plays every other team in the division, plus the same one team in the West every year, and then the other 2 games rotate. The historically good east and west teams always play each other- Tennessee-Alabama, Auburn-Georgia, Florida-LSU. That means, in any given year, on average UF's SEC schedule will usually only have a couple auto-victories. Unlike, say USC, which in this decade, had maybe 1 or 2 decent in-conference opponents the whole year.
And I don't see you could possibly characterize next year's Pac-10 OOC schedule as tough. :lol:
As for the Pac-10 being strong top to bottom, why is that one team has completely dominated the conference this decade? That suggests imbalance. The last year USC didn't at least win a share of the conference title was 2001.
Why is that? It would make a lot more sense to just play every team in the other division once every two years.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 10, 2009, 01:50:45 AM
Why is that? It would make a lot more sense to just play every team in the other division once every two years.
Because of tradition. The Auburn-Georgia and Alabama-UT rivalries date far further back then even the SEC, which was founded in 1932. Auburn has played Georgia 112 times, Alabama has played Tennessee 91 times. Florida was paired with LSU(50+ meetings) even though Auburn was our historical rival(80+ meetings) since Auburn's rivalry with Georgia was even older. For context, Auburn and Alabama only started playing every year in the 40s. So, even though Auburn and Alabama are considered each other's biggest rivals, Florida has actually played Auburn more often than Alabama has. I think Florida still played Auburn every year up until around 2000, when the SEC changed the scheduling rules to the present form.
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 01:47:26 AM
That means, in any given year, on average UF's SEC schedule will usually only have a couple auto-victories. Unlike, say USC, which in this decade, had maybe 1 or 2 decent in-conference opponents the whole year.
OK, I think this discussion has flown into la-la land.
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 01:47:26 AM
That means, in any given year, on average UF's SEC schedule will usually only have a couple auto-victories. Unlike, say USC, which in this decade, had maybe 1 or 2 decent in-conference opponents the whole year.
The only teams int he entire country who have beat USC in the last 7 years have either been in the Pac-10 conference or had Vince Young as QB,.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 09, 2009, 08:07:40 PM
Please see: Willingham, Ty
Please see: Weiss, Charlie
I don't know man the shit sandwich Willingham made of the Washington program pretty much shows he is a terrible coach and Notre Dame was right to fire his ass. Not that Weiss is that great....
Quote from: sbr on November 10, 2009, 09:43:49 AM
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 01:47:26 AM
That means, in any given year, on average UF's SEC schedule will usually only have a couple auto-victories. Unlike, say USC, which in this decade, had maybe 1 or 2 decent in-conference opponents the whole year.
The only teams int he entire country who have beat USC in the last 7 years have either been in the Pac-10 conference or had Vince Young as QB,.
I love the argument that the SEC is the best because they ahve Florida and Alabama, but that the Pac-10 sucks because the Pac-10 has USC.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 09:52:56 AM
I love the argument that the SEC is the best because they ahve Florida and Alabama, but that the Pac-10 sucks because the Pac-10 has USC.
I don't get the Bama love anyway. I am mean I will concede when they win a big game that they are a major power but they have done nothing yet. I mean they failed to win their conference and got destroyed by Utah last year. They lost to ULM a few years ago and have not won a conference title forever.
It almost seems their reputation is based on wins over Clemson and Virginia Tech, two programs I simply have no respect for.
Shouldn't we at least wait until Bama, you know, wins something of some significance before we annoint them to be the equal of Florida and USC?
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 09:52:56 AM
I love the argument that the SEC is the best because they ahve Florida and Alabama, but that the Pac-10 sucks because the Pac-10 has USC.
That's not my argument. My argument is that if the Pac-10 is strong top to bottom, as you claim, why is it that USC wins the league every year? I'm assuming we're not just talking about 2009, but the past few years here. And the SEC is not just UF and Alabama- Auburn, LSU, and Georgia have all been very good in the past few years.
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 10:10:06 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 09:52:56 AM
I love the argument that the SEC is the best because they ahve Florida and Alabama, but that the Pac-10 sucks because the Pac-10 has USC.
That's not my argument. My argument is that if the Pac-10 is strong top to bottom, as you claim, why is it that USC wins the league every year?
Because USC is insanely good, of course. Probably the #1 football program in the country over the last decade. The Pac-10 is good top to bottom (or rather top to 1 up from the bottom), but until this year it was ~7 very good programs and 1 outstanding program.
QuoteI'm assuming we're not just talking about 2009, but the past few years here. And the SEC is not just UF and Alabama- Auburn, LSU, and Georgia have all been very good in the past few years.
As has Oregon, Cal, OSU, and ASU at various times. Hell, WSU won the bloody conference less than ten years ago (how they have fallen...). Even Arizona has finally come around, but even at their worst, they played some very good teams and got some huge wins.
The Pac-10 is a conference where Arizona, who finished 6th or 7th two years ago, beat Oregon who was #2 in the country at the time. USC, as good as they are, loses a conference game almost every year.
Hence my comment to Seedy - drop Florida into the Pac-10 and make them play 9 games against Pac-10 foes, and they are not likely to go undefeated. They are almost certainly better than all those teams (excepting USC, when talking about year over year) but that doesn't mean they are going to win all those games. They will stumble at some point, and in the Pac-10 stumbling means a loss more often than not.
This year I think USC, Oregon, and Arizona could all beat Florida (not saying those teams win a majority fo games against Florida, just that they can play with them). I think Standford would be a tough out, and OSU as well.
Quote from: sbr on November 10, 2009, 09:43:49 AM
The only teams int he entire country who have beat USC in the last 7 years have either been in the Pac-10 conference or had Vince Young as QB,.
I think we can agree USC has had a good run, and has been one of the best teams this decade. But just because you have an elite team at the top doesn't mean the rest of the conference is stacked.
Besides, what difference does it make what conference you lose games to? Just because Stanford is in the Pac-10, doesn't make that USC loss to them 2 years ago any less embarassing. IIRC, USC was something like a 5 touchdown favorite.
The fact is, on average, year in and year out, the competition is tougher in the SEC than in the Pac-10. You can even measure that quantifiably: for example, the SEC produces the most NFL players.
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 10:23:15 AM
You can even measure that quantifiably: for example, the SEC produces the most NFL players.
Well...the SEC does have two more teams.
And really NFL players doesn't mean your team is any good. Texas A&M and Nebraska have produced about 80 NFL players between them this decade and have not had any appreciable success on the field to go along with that.
Anyway here are the NFL draft picks per team this decade:
PAC-10
School Picks First-round picks Most recent first-round pick
Arizona 21 2 2008 (CB Antoine Cason)
Arizona State 33 5 2003 (OLB Terrell Suggs)
California 35 7 2009 (C Alex Mack)
Oregon 34 3 2008 (RB Jonathan Stewart)
Oregon State 28 2 2004 (RB Steven Jackson)
Stanford 30 1 2003 (OT Kwame Harris)
UCLA 25 2 2006 (TE Marcedes Lewis)
USC 61 15 2009 (QB Mark Sanchez**)
Washington 19 2 2004 (WR Reggie Williams)
Washington State 17 1 2003 (CB Marcus Trufant)
SEC
School Picks First-round picks Most recent first-round pick
Alabama 35 3 2009 (OT Andre Smith)
Arkansas 29 6 2008 (RB Darren McFadden**)
Auburn 36 6 2007 (OG Ben Grubbs)
Florida 50 9 2009 (WR Percy Harvin)
Georgia 55 11 2009 (QB Matt Stafford**)
Kentucky 14 1 2003 (DT Dewayne Robertson)
LSU 49 9 2009 (DE Tyson Jackson)
Mississippi 22 6 2009 (OT Michael Oher**)
Mississippi State 16 0 1996 (CB Walt Harris**)
South Carolina 28 4 2006 (CB Johnathan Joseph)
Tennessee 54 10 2009 (LB Robert Ayers)
Vanderbilt 12 2 2008 (OT Chris Williams)
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=938905
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 10:23:15 AM
I think we can agree USC has had a good run, and has been one of the best teams this decade. But just because you have an elite team at the top doesn't mean the rest of the conference is stacked.
I don't think anyone has made any such argument at all - in fact, the argument being made by YOU is that the SEC is "stacked" because it has good teams at the top. The argument made by me is that the Pac-10 is top to bottom as good as it gets, that the middle of the Pac-10 is excellent, and the fact that a team as good as USC cannot make it through the conference without a loss is evidence of that, and in fact Florida and Alabama would have the same problem if they played in the pac-10 and had to play 9 games against quality opponents, rather than loading up on OOC patsies, and playing fewer games against weaker teams.
The fac that an elite team cannot win out in the Pac-10 certainly says something about how hard it is to go undefeated in the conference. If that is not evidence that the conference teams are pretty good, what would be? Would you expect a conference that was really good top to bottom to evidence that by the best team beating the crap out of all the other teams every year? That is completely counter-intutitive.
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The fact is, on average, year in and year out, the competition is tougher in the SEC than in the Pac-10. You can even measure that quantifiably: for example, the SEC produces the most NFL players.
That is simply not true, and the fact that your "measure" of toughness top to bottom is laughably number of NFL players produced makes your argument look rather ridiculous. Since when is THAT the measure of how good a conference as a whole is, rather than just another measure of how good the best teams are? You keep throwing out "evidence" that amounts to "Hey, our conference has a couple of really good teams!" which is not disputed.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
Because USC is insanely good, of course. Probably the #1 football program in the country over the last decade. The Pac-10 is good top to bottom (or rather top to 1 up from the bottom), but until this year it was ~7 very good programs and 1 outstanding program.
Agree that USC is probably the team of the decade. But the quality below them has been uneven. I know this is just one guy's opinion, but check out this article on teams of the decade http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/12007461
Top 25:
1. USC
2. Oklahoma
3. Texas
4. Florida
5. LSU
6. Ohio State
7. Miami
8. Georgia
9. Virginia Tech
10. Utah
11. Boise State
12. FSU
13. Nebraska
14. Michigan
15. West Virginia
16. Tennessee
17. Oregon
18. Louisville
19. Auburn
20. TCU
21. Penn State
22. Boston College
23. Wisconsin
24. Oregon State
25. Kansas State
As you can see, the Pac-10 has only 1 consistent elite team(defined as top 10): USC, and 3 consistently good teams(defined as top 25) Whereas, the SEC has 3 teams in the top 10, and 5 in the top 25. This is the strong counter-argument about the Pac-10's depth.
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Even Arizona has finally come around, but even at their worst, they played some very good teams and got some huge wins.
The Pac-10 is a conference where Arizona, who finished 6th or 7th two years ago, beat Oregon who was #2 in the country at the time. USC, as good as they are, loses a conference game almost every year.
1. That's a bad example since Oregon lost Dennis Dixon to injury IIRC and wasn't the same number 2 ranked team.
2. Upsets happen in every conference every year. The Pac-10 is not unique.
QuoteHence my comment to Seedy - drop Florida into the Pac-10 and make them play 9 games against Pac-10 foes, and they are not likely to go undefeated. They are almost certainly better than all those teams (excepting USC, when talking about year over year) but that doesn't mean they are going to win all those games. They will stumble at some point, and in the Pac-10 stumbling means a loss more often than not.
The top 3 teams in the SEC, if playing USC's schedule, would all have a strong chance of finishing undefeated, or at worst with one loss. No teams in the Pac-10(besides USC, and possibly Oregon in some years) could consistently say that. And that is proven in the fact USC wins every single year.
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This year I think USC, Oregon, and Arizona could all beat Florida (not saying those teams win a majority fo games against Florida, just that they can play with them). I think Standford would be a tough out, and OSU as well.
Sure they would be tough games, but would the Pac-10 teams beat Florida. IMO, no.
QuoteHell, WSU won the bloody conference less than ten years ago
They didn't win the title outright, they shared it with USC. Which BTW is one of the lamer aspects of the Pac-10-:sharing championships.
The sharing thing is bogus - nobody cares if you "share" a title - the conference has one champion, and that champion goes to the Rose Bowl.
And what is awesome is that it is determined by a true round robin schedule, which is how it should be.
And the data says you are wrong - you said USC is the 'team of the decade", yet they cannot get throught hte Pac-10 undefeated - why do you think Florida could? Just because they are Florida - right?
SEC arrogance is amusing, and so unfounded on anything but ego. The numbers don't lie, and the one truly objective measure says the pac-10 is better, at leat this year.
Florida plays USCs schedule and they drop at least 1 game, and maybe more. They haven't proven they can win against quality opponents weak in and week out, and quite frankly, nobody can, for the most part.
Which is why the SEC has set it up so they don't even have to risk it.
Quote from: SEC FanboisAs you can see, the Pac-10 has only 1 consistent elite team(defined as top 10): USC, and 3 consistently good teams(defined as top 25)
That is because the pac-10 kicks the crap out of each other every year, nobody ends up undefeated or with one loss (excepting USC), so they aren't going to be ranked in the top-10 that often, unlike the SEC where they have massaged the system nicely and set themselves up to have plenty of teams with 1 or 0 losses by not playing each other and loading up against cupcakes instead.
Your article proves nothing - in fact, if my claim is true, that the Pac-10 is consistently tough top to bottom, that is exactly the result that you would expect to get. A lot of teams with good, but not great records. That is called parity.
And in fact, that is one of the reasons why people are starting to question the Pac-10 choice to stay with a round robin schedule, and the conference is considering bringing in a couple more teams, dividing up, and going with the patsy model that works so well to generate "top-10" teams that prove they are top ten by studiously avoiding playing anyone who might beat them.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 10:56:08 AM
And the data says you are wrong - you said USC is the 'team of the decade", yet they cannot get throught hte Pac-10 undefeated - why do you think Florida could? Just because they are Florida - right?
The reason why USC can't make it through undefeated is that they blow a winnable game almost every year. You don't see that happening as often to the SEC champions. Even last year, when Florida lost to unranked Ole Miss, Ole Miss ended up ranking in the top 10 at the end of the season.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 11:00:58 AM
Your article proves nothing - in fact, if my claim is true, that the Pac-10 is consistently tough top to bottom, that is exactly the result that you would expect to get. A lot of teams with good, but not great records. That is called parity. mediocrity
Fixed your post. Will address the rest later, have to go to class.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 10:56:08 AM
Florida plays USCs schedule and they drop at least 1 game, and maybe more. They haven't proven they can win against quality opponents weak in and week out, and quite frankly, nobody can, for the most part.
What if you age Florida?
You can't go undefeated in a major conference without a few lucky breaks going your way. Florida & Alabama have both had them this year and there's no reason to assume they wouldn't have had them playing in the Pac-10.
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 11:00:58 AM
Your article proves nothing - in fact, if my claim is true, that the Pac-10 is consistently tough top to bottom, that is exactly the result that you would expect to get. A lot of teams with good, but not great records. That is called parity. mediocrity
Fixed your post. Will address the rest later, have to go to class.
No, mediocrity would show a lot of teams with crappy records who don't beat anyone outside their conference, even when they play mediocre OOC schedules. The Pac-10 consistently has the best OOC schedules in the country, and certainly the toughest if you throw in another Pac-10 game into that OOC schedule to compare to the SECs and others conference schedule.
So no, that isn't what you would expect at all.
So tell me then- if you had a conference that was in fact very good from top to bottom, are you seriously arguing that the outcomes should be a couple teams with great records, and a bunch of teams with much worse records? That doesn't make any sense at all.
QuoteNo, mediocrity would show a lot of teams with crappy records who don't beat anyone outside their conference, even when they play mediocre OOC schedules.
Hey I think I know that conference!
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 11:03:57 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 10:56:08 AM
And the data says you are wrong - you said USC is the 'team of the decade", yet they cannot get throught hte Pac-10 undefeated - why do you think Florida could? Just because they are Florida - right?
The reason why USC can't make it through undefeated is that they blow a winnable game almost every year. You don't see that happening as often to the SEC champions. Even last year, when Florida lost to unranked Ole Miss, Ole Miss ended up ranking in the top 10 at the end of the season.
So what is so special about Florida then, why are they impervious to this, while USC is not, when in fact you just said that USC was the "team of the decade"?
The insistence that this cannot possibly have anything to do with the conference and the teams they are playing is simply obtuse. Of course it does.
What objective evidence do you have that Florida is somehow innately superior in some manner to USC and could win games that USC cannot, year in and year out?
Quote from: Neil on November 10, 2009, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 10:56:08 AM
Florida plays USCs schedule and they drop at least 1 game, and maybe more. They haven't proven they can win against quality opponents weak in and week out, and quite frankly, nobody can, for the most part.
What if you age Florida?
Then clearly they could beat the Ravens.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 10, 2009, 11:50:51 AM
You can't go undefeated in a major conference without a few lucky breaks going your way. Florida & Alabama have both had them this year and there's no reason to assume they wouldn't have had them playing in the Pac-10.
So your contention about the SEC being superior to the Pac-10 is based on Florida getting some lucky breaks?
Gotcha.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 12:06:12 PM
So your contention about the SEC being superior to the Pac-10 is based on Florida getting some lucky breaks?
Gotcha.
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Would PAC-10 refs have given LSU that interception? I think that alone should determine whose conference is better.
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 12:14:38 PM
Would PAC-10 refs have given LSU that interception? I think that alone should determine whose conference is better.
Don't get me started.
The last thing we need is an argument hanging our hats on teh quality of Pac-10 officiating.
Fucking Washington.
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 11:03:57 AM
The reason why USC can't make it through undefeated is that they blow a winnable game almost every year. You don't see that happening as often to the SEC champions. Even last year, when Florida lost to unranked Ole Miss, Ole Miss ended up ranking in the top 10 at the end of the season.
Of course they did. They beat the media's golden boy. They had to rank them after that. :P
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 12:02:54 PM
So tell me then- if you had a conference that was in fact very good from top to bottom, are you seriously arguing that the outcomes should be a couple teams with great records, and a bunch of teams with much worse records? That doesn't make any sense at all.
I never claimed that. I don't think you can make many valid inferences from looking from a pure win-loss distribution standpoint. You can have a bunch of mediocre teams beating up on each other, or you can have a bunch of amazing teams beating up on each other. Looking at the numbers won't distinguish this. There are other factors you have to evaluate.
I agree that the Pac-10 has a lot of parity. That doesn't make it a "harder" or easier league to win. For instance, in the English Premier League, there are 4 or 5 teams that are consistently good, and they beat up the remaining 15 teams. In the MLS, the teams that win change every year, and there is significant parity. Would you argue that winning the MLS is stronger than the EPL? Hell, no. The crappiest EPL team would challenge for the MLS championship every year. Parity does not prove strength. Theres tons of other examples out there.
Just to restate my arguments, so it's clear
1- Over the years, the SEC is a better on average top to bottom league than the Pac-10. You can prove this by bowl appearances, team by team comparisons, national championships, etc.
2- Just because USC loses every year to a Pac-10 team doesn't prove that the Pac-10 is somehow extra strong. These games are usually fluke teams in the bottom half of the leagues. I think that says more about USC's preperations for mediocre opponents than anything else. Also, upseats happen in every year in every league. Just because USC has been extra unlucky recently doesn't make it extra special.
3- The SEC is harder to win than the Pac-10. The SEC has 3+ elite teams every year, plus a championship game. That means winning the SEC is going to be hard every year no matter what. The Pac-10 champion will face, at best 1-2 in-conference elite opponents. Obviously, both the Pac-10 champ and the SEC champ will have to avoid upsets to mediocre teams every year.
I never claimed that the Pac-10 was strong because they are all ranked close together - youa re turning my argument around.
That was in response to the claim that the Pac-10 was NOT strong because they don't have as many 'ranked" teams. Team rankings are based on W-L records, and the Pac-10 being a strong conference with good parity means that there are not going to be a lot of teams with "elite" win/loss records (which basically means you only lost 3 games at most that year).
Not all conferences with a bunch of teams that beat each other up have great parity - but all conferences with great parity will have teams that beat each other up, and in fact one should expect that if a conference is strong top to bottom, it should be hard for any team to go undefeated in that conference. And that is exactly what we see in the Pac-10, so YOUR claim that the Pac-10 cannot be that good because they don't have enough teams that get into the top-10 (yor definition of "elite") is bogus, since getting into the top-10 requires that you do not drop games, which won't happen in a conference with good parity.
The SEC has a few good teams, and a bunch that are lower-mid level. pretty much exactly what the Sagarin ratings show right now - two elite teams, 1 terrible team, and a bunch that are n the 40-60 range.
The Pac-10 has two elite teams, one that may very well break into the top ten if they manage to knock those two elites off, then a bunch of teams that are in the teens to the 40s. Simply superior to the SEC, at least right now.
My entire point through all of this is that the Pac-10 does not get the credit it deserves, because the entire college football "ranking" system is primarily concerned with losses. You are ranked based on how many games you lose, no matter who you lose them to, and that distorts the true quality of the teams and conferences.
The SEC (and every other BCS conference) has a systemic advantage over the Pac-10, because
1. They play relatively weak OOC schedules, and
2. They play more OOC games (which tend to be weak compared to in conference games) than the Pac-10.
lastly, I am not arguing that USC is extra special - actually, YOU are making that argument by arguing that while they are the "team of the decade", they ahve some kind of special flaw that means they cannot perform as well as the vaunted Florida Gators, and that even though USC is the "team of the decade" and Florida is not, Florida would still do better than USC. That doesn't even pass the most basic of ratioanal thinking tests.
If my contention is true, that the Pac-10 is one of the toughest top to bottom conferences with 1 team that is exceptionally good, then what should happen? Shouldn't a tough conference make it very unlikely that a good team, even an exceptional team, can sweep it every year? I think the fact that USC has so much trouble running the table is most certainly evidence that the table is pretty damn hard to run, and it is perfectly reasonable to think that other teams in weaker top to bottom conferences may not ahve the success they have if they played in the Pac-10.
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 01:05:37 PM
3- The SEC is harder to win than the Pac-10. The SEC has 3+ elite teams every year, plus a championship game. That means winning the SEC is going to be hard every year no matter what. The Pac-10 champion will face, at best 1-2 in-conference elite opponents. Obviously, both the Pac-10 champ and the SEC champ will have to avoid upsets to mediocre teams every year.
This is simply false. Your definition of "elite" is "a team that plays a easy enough schedule to avoid getting too many losses to fall out of the top-10". So no, I do not agree that the SEC has three teams every year better than the three best in the Pac-10 at all. The difference is only that the SEC has three teams every year that manage to get through their 4 OOC games without a loss, then play fewer in conference games against weaker in conference opponents so they manage to not lose more than 1 or 2 games, and get their high ranking.
Whereas in the Pac-10, every team has 1 less gimme game, every team must play every other team, including the other elite teams (no getting a break from playing Florida). Who cares of there is no championship game - it would certainly just be a re-match, since everyone already plays everyone anyway! How can that be harder - the fact that there is 1 game where two teams play each other, when in the Pac-10 EVERY team has to play every other team?
How can you argue that playing a championship game somehow makes the conference HARDER, as opposed to simply having every single team play every other team? Take off the blinders man, this argument makes no sense at all!
You're putting way too much confidence in those Sagarin ratings. The fact is they can be manipulated with or without including score. With purely win/loss taken into account, you manipulate it by taking on a better class of patsy. The computer is programmed to think a 15 point win over San Diego St. is indicative of a better team than a 50 point win over Troy. That is simply not true. This works out great, assuming your team has no real danger of losing to San Diego St(as most decent BCS schools won't).
So you think coaches, years in advance, are manipulating their schedules to 'take on a better class of patsy"?
Is "better class of patsy" code for a "better team"? Is that why the SEC plays such crappy OOC schedules, they don't want to be accused of manipulating the Sagarin ratings by playing teams they might lose to?
The Sagarin ratings have their own set of problems, but the one thing they are is at least objective, and do not simply focus on losses, the way the top-25 polls do.And the top-25 polls, by definition, only have 26 possible ratings - everyone NOT in the top-25 is equal, and the "rankings" reflect that, even though we all know that is simply not at all true.
I can see why the SEC fans want to believe that the human polls are the perfect ranking system, since the SEC does an excellent job of using them to artificially create those 2-3 "elite" teams each year. But they don't stand up to even the most cursory examination when it comes to actually predicting which teams are better, much less which conferences are the best. The sagarin ratings do a MUCH better job of that.
Quote from: stjaba on November 10, 2009, 01:05:37 PM
The SEC has 3+ elite teams every year
That's bull. There have been years when they had 3 elite teams, and some years where they arguably had more than 3, but they certainly don't have 3 elite teams this year.
At best, they have 2 this year (we'll see if Alabama gets exposed again come bowl season, and while given what Florida accomplished last year--and that almost all of that team was back this year--Florida should be an elite team, they haven't looked like it at times this season). I find it laughable to argue that anyone else in the conference has an elite team this year. Having said that, I don't think that the Pac-10 has any elite teams this year, just a bunch of good-to-very-good ones, plus a terrible WSU.
Overall, I do think that the SEC is the strongest conference, but I also think that it's over-rated in that the margin by which it's superior to the other BCS conferences is a lot thinner than some people think. I also agree that saying that, on the whole, SEC teams play weak OOC schedules is a valid point. (Actually, that's true of the other BCS conferences as a whole, but it's less true of the Pac-10 than the other 5 conferences.)
I didn't even have to do my "real football stops at the Big 12, Big Ten and SEC" shtick.
Quote from: dps on November 10, 2009, 02:32:19 PM
Overall, I do think that the SEC is the strongest conference, but I also think that it's over-rated in that the margin by which it's superior to the other BCS conferences is a lot thinner than some people think. I also agree that saying that, on the whole, SEC teams play weak OOC schedules is a valid point. (Actually, that's true of the other BCS conferences as a whole, but it's less true of the Pac-10 than the other 5 conferences.)
Yeah, I'd agree with all that, I just don't think the Pac-10's out of conference schedule is tougher by a big enough margin to justify losing twice as often.
Also, I think Berkut's insistence on only considering what's happened this year really hampers conference comparisons. They just don't play each other often enough. The Pac 10 has played BCS teams 11 times and won 6 of those; that is no grounds to claim they're better than the other 5 conferences. Wait until at least a full season + bowl games shows your guys on top to start crowing about it.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 10, 2009, 03:05:33 PM
Quote from: dps on November 10, 2009, 02:32:19 PM
Overall, I do think that the SEC is the strongest conference, but I also think that it's over-rated in that the margin by which it's superior to the other BCS conferences is a lot thinner than some people think. I also agree that saying that, on the whole, SEC teams play weak OOC schedules is a valid point. (Actually, that's true of the other BCS conferences as a whole, but it's less true of the Pac-10 than the other 5 conferences.)
Yeah, I'd agree with all that, I just don't think the Pac-10's out of conference schedule is tougher by a big enough margin to justify losing twice as often.
Also, I think Berkut's insistence on only considering what's happened this year really hampers conference comparisons. They just don't play each other often enough. The Pac 10 has played BCS teams 11 times and won 6 of those; that is no grounds to claim they're better than the other 5 conferences. Wait until at least a full season + bowl games shows your guys on top to start crowing about it.
Yeah, single-year comparisons are inherently less accurate and therefore less valuable than multi-year comparisons. OTOH, if we were trying to figure out (hypothetically) whether 1-loss Cal was more deserving than a 1-loss Maryland of a spot in BCS title game against an undefeated Arkansas, what has happened in previous seasons isn't necessarily relevent.
For example, I said earlier that the SEC has no more than 2 elite
teams this year, but it's also true that the SEC has several
programs that I would consider elite--LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, and Auburn, in addition to Alabama and Florida. Tennessee and Auburn may be slipping, which is why they have new coaches this year. No other conference has that many elite programs, even without the Volunteers and Tigers. That's why I think the SEC is the best conference.
Quote from: dps on November 10, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
For example, I said earlier that the SEC has no more than 2 elite teams this year, but it's also true that the SEC has several programs that I would consider elite--LSU, Georgia, Tennessee, and Auburn, in addition to Alabama and Florida. Tennessee and Auburn may be slipping, which is why they have new coaches this year. No other conference has that many elite programs, even without the Volunteers and Tigers. That's why I think the SEC is the best conference.
But it is easier to be an "elite" program in a conference where you don't even play every other school, and you consistently load up your schedule with more crappy OOC games instead of playing the presumably quality opponents in conference.
The definition of elite, after all, is something like "is consistently ranked in the top-20, year after year". And how do you get ranked in the top-20? Play crappy teams and don't lose to them.
This all comes back to that - the human polls give way too much weight to not losing, rather than playing good games against quality opponents. Losing a game to a great team is always seen as less important than pounding some cupcake.
This is one thing that the NCAA has gotten right - the post-season relies on a selection committee who insists that just winning against chumps is not enough - you have to have quality wins, and even quality losses are worth more than meaningless wins. Within reason, of course.
There is no such mechanism in college football. If you are ranked #18 in the country, and lose to #1, you drop in the polls. If you are #18 in the country, and beat #92 by 50, you go up in the polls.
QuoteThe definition of elite, after all, is something like "is consistently ranked in the top-20, year after year". And how do you get ranked in the top-20? Play crappy teams and don't lose to them.
My definition of and elite program would probably be something along the lines of "a program, which, in a normal year, will likely be considered a pre-season contender for a BCS bowl game".
Quoteyou are ranked #18 in the country, and lose to #1, you drop in the polls. If you are #18 in the country, and beat #92 by 50, you go up in the polls.
Actually, a number 18 team in that situation would likely only move up because teams ahead of them lost.
Quote from: dps on November 10, 2009, 03:49:58 PM
My definition of and elite program would probably be something along the lines of "a program, which, in a normal year, will likely be considered a pre-season contender for a BCS bowl game".
Fair enough - and that is based mostly on the human polls, which are based mostly on not losing games. Same problem.
That is why the SEC is so "good" - they understand the system very well, and schedule accordingly. It is no coincidence that the SEC is one of the big opponents of a playoff system, or any revision to the BCS. They make a fortune off of it.
Speaking of soft OOC schedules and cupcakes, one program that I think hurts itself by playing 3 cupcakes (plus the required MAC cupcake for a total of 4) is Penn State. It seems when they get into the Big Ten part of the schedule, they seem way overconfident. Thus, Iowa and OSU go into Happy Valley and kick them in the nuts.
Syracuse basketball does the same thing. They don't fucking play *anyone* OOC!
I hope Miller sticks to the Arizona tradition of playing (relatively) brutal OOC schedules. Of course, whether he can continue the Lute Olson tradition of winning a lot of those brutal OOC games is another story entirely.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 03:51:54 PM
It is no coincidence that the SEC is one of the big opponents of a playoff system, or any revision to the BCS. They make a fortune off of it.
To be fair, Alabama's pasting last year by Utah notwithstanding, SEC teams do tend to do well in those BCS games--at least compared to, say, the Big Ten.
Quote from: dps on November 10, 2009, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 03:51:54 PM
It is no coincidence that the SEC is one of the big opponents of a playoff system, or any revision to the BCS. They make a fortune off of it.
To be fair, Alabama's pasting last year by Utah notwithstanding, SEC teams do tend to do well in those BCS games--at least compared to, say, the Big Ten.
Indeed they do.
I am perfectly willing to admit that the SECs top programs are as good as they get, and deserve plenty of accolades. I just think the conference as a whole is over-rated, and that the Pac-10 is a better than people think. most people just look at AP/Coaches Top-25, and all that is is a ranking based on loss records (at least in teh BCS schools), for the most part.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 12:14:38 PM
Would PAC-10 refs have given LSU that interception? I think that alone should determine whose conference is better.
Don't get me started.
The last thing we need is an argument hanging our hats on teh quality of Pac-10 officiating.
Fucking Washington.
Well...when the SEC refs call this interception incomplete:
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I think the PAC-10 refs could give them a run for their money.
God does berkut still have his panties in a bunch? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 03:59:38 PM
Syracuse basketball does the same thing. They don't fucking play *anyone* OOC!
I hope Miller sticks to the Arizona tradition of playing (relatively) brutal OOC schedules. Of course, whether he can continue the Lute Olson tradition of winning a lot of those brutal OOC games is another story entirely.
I enjoyed that Div II school beating them.
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 12:14:38 PM
Would PAC-10 refs have given LSU that interception? I think that alone should determine whose conference is better.
Don't get me started.
The last thing we need is an argument hanging our hats on teh quality of Pac-10 officiating.
Fucking Washington.
Well...when the SEC refs call this interception incomplete:
I think the PAC-10 refs could give them a run for their money.
Officiating seems to get worse every year. It's probably not really getting worse, but every year there are some real head-scratchers, especially when you factor in instant replay. Look at your pic. The only official in it has a good angle to see if the feet are in-bounds or not, but he's a good distance away, and his line-of-sight is at least partially screened by another player. Other officials may have an unobscured LOS, but they're at least as far away, and won't have a good angle. You can see how they might get it wrong on the field, but there's no excuse for replay to blow it.
Did he bobble that catch at all?
But yeah, the still does appear to be showing a catch in bounds.
Quote from: dps on November 10, 2009, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 12:14:38 PM
Would PAC-10 refs have given LSU that interception? I think that alone should determine whose conference is better.
Don't get me started.
The last thing we need is an argument hanging our hats on teh quality of Pac-10 officiating.
Fucking Washington.
Well...when the SEC refs call this interception incomplete:
I think the PAC-10 refs could give them a run for their money.
Officiating seems to get worse every year. It's probably not really getting worse, but every year there are some real head-scratchers, especially when you factor in instant replay. Look at your pic. The only official in it has a good angle to see if the feet are in-bounds or not, but he's a good distance away, and his line-of-sight is at least partially screened by another player. Other officials may have an unobscured LOS, but they're at least as far away, and won't have a good angle. You can see how they might get it wrong on the field, but there's no excuse for replay to blow it.
You cannot tell if that pass is complete or not just by a picture.
Or rather, a picture can tell if a pass in incomplete, but not if it is complete.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: dps on November 10, 2009, 04:24:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 10, 2009, 12:14:38 PM
Would PAC-10 refs have given LSU that interception? I think that alone should determine whose conference is better.
Don't get me started.
The last thing we need is an argument hanging our hats on teh quality of Pac-10 officiating.
Fucking Washington.
Well...when the SEC refs call this interception incomplete:
I think the PAC-10 refs could give them a run for their money.
Officiating seems to get worse every year. It's probably not really getting worse, but every year there are some real head-scratchers, especially when you factor in instant replay. Look at your pic. The only official in it has a good angle to see if the feet are in-bounds or not, but he's a good distance away, and his line-of-sight is at least partially screened by another player. Other officials may have an unobscured LOS, but they're at least as far away, and won't have a good angle. You can see how they might get it wrong on the field, but there's no excuse for replay to blow it.
You cannot tell if that pass is complete or not just by a picture.
Or rather, a picture can tell if a pass in incomplete, but not if it is complete.
I wasn't necessarily saying that it was incomplete or not, or that the officials blew it or not. What I was getting at was that sometimes, the officials on the field aren't going to be able to tell, no matter how good they are, and there's nothing really wrong with that (unless you're a fan of a team on the short end of a bad call, of course :)). But replay was put in place to handle those situations, and all too often, the replay official still doesn't get them right.
Quote from: dps on November 10, 2009, 04:54:10 PM
I wasn't necessarily saying that it was incomplete or not, or that the officials blew it or not. What I was getting at was that sometimes, the officials on the field aren't going to be able to tell, no matter how good they are, and there's nothing really wrong with that (unless you're a fan of a team on the short end of a bad call, of course :)). But replay was put in place to handle those situations, and all too often, the replay official still doesn't get them right.
No argument here.
The problem is that sometimes replay doesn't help. I watched the youtube replays of this, and even afterwards I am not sure enough that had I been the replay official, I would have overturned the call on the field.
When did the receiver establish control of the ball? It looks like he catches it, starts to tuck it, then it kind of slips out a little but (he is well OOB by now), then he secures it again.
I dunno - I am not sure I could overturn that call no matter which way the original call went. I would say if I had to make the initial call based on the replay, that is a catch.
Berkut and his fucking Left Coast bias.
Berkurt seems to be very reasonable and made many valid points (unless he slipped mention of LaGarret Blount in there I missed), everyone else is way off base. :yes:
Quote from: sbr on November 10, 2009, 06:36:48 PM
Berkurt seems to be very reasonable and made many valid points (unless he slipped mention of LaGarret Blount in there I missed), everyone else is way off base. :yes:
Fuck you, Duck boy.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 10, 2009, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 10, 2009, 06:36:48 PM
Berkurt seems to be very reasonable and made many valid points (unless he slipped mention of LaGarret Blount in there I missed), everyone else is way off base. :yes:
Fuck you, Duck boy.
:lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 10, 2009, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 10, 2009, 06:36:48 PM
Berkurt seems to be very reasonable and made many valid points (unless he slipped mention of LaGarret Blount in there I missed), everyone else is way off base. :yes:
Fuck you, Duck boy.
Why are you defending the SEC, you big-east/acc turncoat!
Ohio and Buffalo are playing right now. I didn't even know there was an Ohio.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 10, 2009, 08:37:59 PM
Ohio and Buffalo are playing right now. I didn't even know there was an Ohio.
It is a state.
Do Ohio fans give a damn about the whole state of Michigan?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 10, 2009, 08:37:59 PM
Ohio and Buffalo are playing right now. I didn't even know there was an Ohio.
Mostly notable for always being on this list. Go Bobcats.
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4 SEC schools to 1 Pac 10. Take that Berkut!
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 10, 2009, 09:44:52 PM
4 SEC schools to 1 Pac 10. Take that Berkut!
:lol:
Good work by Union College, whatever the fuck that is.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 10, 2009, 09:53:34 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 10, 2009, 09:44:52 PM
4 SEC schools to 1 Pac 10. Take that Berkut!
:lol:
Good work by Union College, whatever the fuck that is.
If you lived in Schenectady for 4 years, you'd stay inside drinking all the time, too.
Quote from: katmai on November 10, 2009, 07:27:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 10, 2009, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 10, 2009, 06:36:48 PM
Berkurt seems to be very reasonable and made many valid points (unless he slipped mention of LaGarret Blount in there I missed), everyone else is way off base. :yes:
Fuck you, Duck boy.
Why are you defending the SEC, you big-east/acc turncoat!
Because, as an ACC fan, I know quality football when I see it. And I don't usually see it in the ACC.
Seedy used to be a Cats fan, but when they didn't do well he abandoned them.
He is just a bandwagon fan, like Timmy.
Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 11:46:19 PM
Seedy used to be a Cats fan, but when they didn't do well he abandoned them.
He is just a bandwagon fan, like Timmy.
It's been a long time since Desert Swarm, buddy. :console: Some of us had to move on.
They lost me with the all-blue uniforms. Like watching a bunch of Boise State turf swatches running around.
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Quote from: Berkut on November 10, 2009, 11:46:19 PM
Seedy used to be a Cats fan, but when they didn't do well he abandoned them.
He is just a bandwagon fan, like Timmy.
It's been a long time since Desert Swarm, buddy. :console: Some of us had to move on.
They lost me with the all-blue uniforms. Like watching a bunch of Boise State turf swatches running around.
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LOL, gimme a break.
I used to be an SMU fan as well, but Craig James and Eric Dickerson graduated.
WHERE IS YOUR CHUCK CECIL NOW
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 10, 2009, 11:59:08 PM
LOL, gimme a break.
I used to be an SMU fan as well, but Craig James and Eric Dickerson graduated.
WHERE IS YOUR CHUCK CECIL NOW
Dickerson actually graduated? Color me surprised.
Quote from: dps on November 11, 2009, 12:05:07 AM
Dickerson actually graduated? Color me surprised.
There's a reason they got the NCAA Death Sentence. :unsure:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 10, 2009, 11:59:08 PM
LOL, gimme a break.
I used to be an SMU fan as well, but Craig James and Eric Dickerson graduated.
WHERE IS YOUR CHUCK CECIL NOW
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Now, now Berky...don't start projecting. You know how your bowels get when you begin to lash out. Loose stools, and whatnot.
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Now, now Berky...don't start projecting. You know how your bowels get when you begin to lash out. Loose stools, and whatnot.
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Quote from: katmai on November 10, 2009, 07:27:10 PM
Why are you defending the SEC, you big-east/acc turncoat!
He bandwagonned on...er....always was a fanatical Florida Gator fan.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 10, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
Did he bobble that catch at all?
But yeah, the still does appear to be showing a catch in bounds.
Not at all it was an obvious call. Horribly blown. It is the most facepalming call since the Mississippi State-Florida call where the player clearly fumbled before scoring.
Here is a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abuCLF7hJ6s
As always I can forgive them for blowing it while it happened...it was a bang bang play. But how the fuck did they miss it with video replay? I mean even a total amateur weekend ref for the local Park & Rec flag football league would have called that one right with video replay.
I just do not get what is wrong with SEC officiating this year. There have been some of the worst calls I have ever witnessed going on on a weekly basis in the league.
Quote from: Valmy on November 11, 2009, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 10, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
Did he bobble that catch at all?
But yeah, the still does appear to be showing a catch in bounds.
Not at all it was an obvious call. Horribly blown.
As always I can forgive them for blowing it while it happened...it was a bang bang play.
I find these two sentences rather amusing.
While the call may have been wrong, it is not at all obviously so, at least from the videos I have seen.
What you don't understand is that the replay officials are very constrained in what they can evaluate. They have a minute or two at most, and they can only look at what video they are sent. And to overturn a call on the field, they must be 100% certain that the call was wrong.
Like perhaps seeing the ball touching the ground, for example. :ultra:
I could see this getting over-turned - but it would depend on why the on the field officials called it incomplete to begin with. What did they see? I am guessing they thought the corner was bobbling the ball as he went out of bounds, in which case where his feet came down (or foot) is largely immaterial.
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 10:16:03 AM
I find these two sentences rather amusing.
I meant it was obvious in slo mo. During the live play the refs were really unsure what to do because none of them were close enough to the play to have a clear shot at it. The guy on the sideline had a LSU player in his way.
But this is hardly an isolated incident. It seems like we have a situation similar to this one in the SEC every week. Bad year for their officials but maybe it is all the same one or two crews.
QuoteWhat you don't understand is that the replay officials are very constrained in what they can evaluate. They have a minute or two at most, and they can only look at what video they are sent. And to overturn a call on the field, they must be 100% certain that the call was wrong.
Well it seems to me they VERY rarely overturn a call even when it looks like it should be obvious. If that is really the case what is the point of having IP in the first place besides delay the games?
I agree - I think IP at the college level is a waste of time.
I would suggest however, that what you think is "obvious" is often based more on not understanding the rules than whether or not something is actually "obvious".
This is a pretty good example, in fact - everyone keeps going on about where the guys foot came down, when in fact that isn't even relevant to why it was called incomplete.
All that being said, officials are just people, and they make mistakes. Just like the players make mistakes. The QB throws to someone in coverage when someone is wide open, the coaches make stupid subs, etc., etc., etc.
The officials get it wrong as well sometimes. Replay won't change that.
Quote from: Berkut on November 11, 2009, 10:50:40 AM
This is a pretty good example, in fact - everyone keeps going on about where the guys foot came down, when in fact that isn't even relevant to why it was called incomplete.
Well he either didn't have possession or didn't get a foot inbounds. If he didn't cleanly catch that ball I have to wonder if it is possible to cleanly catch a ball.
QuoteThe officials get it wrong as well sometimes. Replay won't change that.
You would at least think replay would help but it doesn't seem to. Common sense would suggest it would be easier to call something in slow motion with a clear angle where you have some time to think about it and the ability to replay it several times, than it would be running around a huge field trying to make calls in real time on the fly but that does not seem to be the case.
Quote from: Valmy on November 11, 2009, 09:54:40 AM
Quote from: katmai on November 10, 2009, 07:27:10 PM
Why are you defending the SEC, you big-east/acc turncoat!
He bandwagonned on...er....always was a fanatical Florida Gator fan.
Only during Tebow Rising. Then again, I was a Miami Hurricane fan for only a few seasons, during Kosar Rising.
Navy is in the Texas Bowl. Sweet.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2009, 06:31:51 PM
Only during Tebow Rising. Then again, I was a Miami Hurricane fan for only a few seasons, during Kosar Rising.
Did you become a Browns fan too? :unsure:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 13, 2009, 03:13:47 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2009, 06:31:51 PM
Only during Tebow Rising. Then again, I was a Miami Hurricane fan for only a few seasons, during Kosar Rising.
Did you become a Browns fan too? :unsure:
Yes. :blush:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 07:54:18 AM
Yes. :blush:
:lol: I can picture you sitting in the dogpound with his milkbone necklace. Or did you travel up to Cleveland with the Colts band?
Go ahead, get your requisite Mike Brown and/or Klingler insult out of the way.
Anyway, I'm leaving work at 3:00 to go get ready to tailgate for the WVU-UC game tonight. Look for me on ESPN next to the guys with the overalls & ZZ Top beards :)
UC is favored by as many as 10. Hard to argue since WVU has Coach Stew-pid. UC hasn't lost a home game since WVU came in & beat them 2 years ago.
The line on the Arizona-Cal game has gone from -2 Arizona to -3 Cal. That is rather odd - from a statistical standpoint, Arizona should win solidly, if not easily. And with Best being hurt, and Arizona finally being healthy, you would think Arizona would be a solid favorite.
But oddly enough, while Arizona is starting to get a bit of national attention, the betters are apparently thinking they are not for real.
Of course, Cal is 30-0 at home against teams that are not USC or OSU, over the last 5 or 6 years.
Ed's prediction for the Iowa-Ohio State game:
Iowa looks flustered with a freshman QB. The Ohio State D line eats the Iowa O-Line alive. Tressel plays it conservative as the winner gets the Big Ten title and the Rose Bowl berth. I get sick of hearing Seven Nation Army by halftime.
24-6 Ohio State
Also, I get gas from the food.
Quote from: Berkut on November 13, 2009, 01:39:24 PM
The line on the Arizona-Cal game has gone from -2 Arizona to -3 Cal. That is rather odd - from a statistical standpoint, Arizona should win solidly, if not easily. And with Best being hurt, and Arizona finally being healthy, you would think Arizona would be a solid favorite.
But oddly enough, while Arizona is starting to get a bit of national attention, the betters are apparently thinking they are not for real.
Of course, Cal is 30-0 at home against teams that are not USC or OSU, over the last 5 or 6 years.
I heard an ESPN talking-head mention this game; he picked Cal based on:
- Arizona coming back to earth a bit (his opinion)
- Cal getting back to where they should be (again his opinion)
- A true freshman QB in a very tough road environment.
If I had to pick a winner, without regard to point spreads, I would take Cal, based mostly on the true freshman point. An Arizona win would not in any way shock me though. To be fair I have to say that I am pulling for Cal with everything I have though. :)
Foles is not a freshman at all, true or otherwise.
Quote from: derspiess on November 13, 2009, 12:38:51 PM
Anyway, I'm leaving work at 3:00 to go get ready to tailgate for the WVU-UC game tonight. Look for me on ESPN next to the guys with the overalls & ZZ Top beards :)
Are you taking the bambino to this one too, or do you deem him not ready yet for this level of high culture?
Quote from: Berkut on November 13, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
Foles is not a freshman at all, true or otherwise.
Huh, I wonder where I got that idea. Maybe I am still having nightmares about Stanford's true freshman QB. :Embarrass:
They must have said young QB, not a freshman QB. I know they where questioning Foles' maturity in a tough road environment at Cal either way.
EDIT: OK he is not a freshman but about as close as one can come; threw 8 passes in '07 and didn't play in '08.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2009, 03:19:16 PM
Are you taking the bambino to this one too, or do you deem him not ready yet for this level of high culture?
Nope-- it will probably be too cold and I want to make sure I can focus on watching the game. Plus he would probably be mad that it's not the Bengals playing :lol:
Quote from: sbr on November 13, 2009, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 13, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
Foles is not a freshman at all, true or otherwise.
Huh, I wonder where I got that idea. Maybe I am still having nightmares about Stanford's true freshman QB. :Embarrass:
They must have said young QB, not a freshman QB. I know they where questioning Foles' maturity in a tough road environment at Cal either way.
EDIT: OK he is not a freshman but about as close as one can come; threw 8 passes in '07 and didn't play in '08.
Well, I agree he is inexperienced, but he certainly is nothing like a freshman, he is a redshirt sophomore, which means he has been around in the system for 2 years now. He certainly does not play anything like a freshman.
If the biggest reason for Arizona to lose is going to be Foles, we are going to kill Cal.
Quote from: Berkut on November 13, 2009, 03:40:36 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 13, 2009, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 13, 2009, 03:06:43 PM
Foles is not a freshman at all, true or otherwise.
Huh, I wonder where I got that idea. Maybe I am still having nightmares about Stanford's true freshman QB. :Embarrass:
They must have said young QB, not a freshman QB. I know they where questioning Foles' maturity in a tough road environment at Cal either way.
EDIT: OK he is not a freshman but about as close as one can come; threw 8 passes in '07 and didn't play in '08.
Well, I agree he is inexperienced, but he certainly is nothing like a freshman, he is a redshirt sophomore, which means he has been around in the system for 2 years now. He certainly does not play anything like a freshman.
If the biggest reason for Arizona to lose is going to be Foles, we are going to kill Cal.
Why has he played so little before this year, injuries or something else?
Quote from: derspiess on November 13, 2009, 12:31:33 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 07:54:18 AM
Yes. :blush:
:lol: I can picture you sitting in the dogpound with his milkbone necklace. Or did you travel up to Cleveland with the Colts band?
Go ahead, get your requisite Mike Brown and/or Klingler insult out of the way.
:P Me and some buddies had season tickets from 88 to 92. And yes, we were in the Dawg Pound. Section E, row 11. Cold ass metal bleachers.
I have pics wearing my dawg ears. :blush:
Lulz, "Klingler".
I hope you nailed somebody with a ice covered battery.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2009, 06:31:13 PM
I hope you nailed somebody with a ice covered battery.
I never got anybody, but the guy in front of me once hit Dennis Smith in the side of the helmet with a hot dog. Smeared his shoulderpad with mustard.
Oh fuck, those were the days.
Sbr, zona had tuitama(sp?) as qb for last few years.
Quote from: katmai on November 13, 2009, 06:36:24 PM
Sbr, zona had tuitama(sp?) as qb for last few years.
Oh yeah. :Embarrass: Foles might be better though.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2009, 06:31:13 PM
I hope you nailed somebody with a ice covered battery.
I never got anybody, but the guy in front of me once hit Dennis Smith in the side of the helmet with a hot dog. Smeared his shoulderpad with mustard.
Oh fuck, those were the days.
Did you actually live in Cleveland? I hope you didn't travel 12 hours round trip 10 times a year to watch Bernie Kosar play.
Quote from: stjaba on November 13, 2009, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2009, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2009, 06:31:13 PM
I hope you nailed somebody with a ice covered battery.
I never got anybody, but the guy in front of me once hit Dennis Smith in the side of the helmet with a hot dog. Smeared his shoulderpad with mustard.
Oh fuck, those were the days.
I hope you didn't travel 12 hours round trip 10 times a year to watch Bernie Kosar play.
YES I DID
My sis went to Case Western, so I had a place to crash.
Now that is hardcore.
Quote from: sbr on November 13, 2009, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 13, 2009, 06:36:24 PM
Sbr, zona had tuitama(sp?) as qb for last few years.
Oh yeah. :Embarrass: Foles might be better though.
He might be - but Tui was pretty awesome.
The thing about Arizona this year, that is unlike anything I've seen before, even in the Tomey years, is depth.
Tomey was the master at finding the "diamonds in the rough" - guys who were not highly recruited, but turned out to be incredible players. Trung Candidate. Tedi Bruschi. Rob Waldrop. The problem is, that only gets you so far - you get some stellar teams, but they have no depth, and after the star leaves, there isn't anyone to step into their place.
This year we have depth across both lines. Depth at the skill positions (except QB, but the QB we have is excellent). Depth in the secondary. The only place on defense we don't have a lot of depth is linebacker, but we have three seniors there.
This team is going to be very, very good next year - and is pretty damn good this year. But these next four games....if we can split them, I will be pleased.
Pop quiz:
How many teams in the country average more than 250 passing yards per game *and* more than 200 rushing yards per game?
Do you mean PAC10 yards or real yards?
Quote from: Berkut on November 13, 2009, 09:41:04 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 13, 2009, 06:39:40 PM
Quote from: katmai on November 13, 2009, 06:36:24 PM
Sbr, zona had tuitama(sp?) as qb for last few years.
Oh yeah. :Embarrass: Foles might be better though.
He might be - but Tui was pretty awesome.
The thing about Arizona this year, that is unlike anything I've seen before, even in the Tomey years, is depth.
Tomey was the master at finding the "diamonds in the rough" - guys who were not highly recruited, but turned out to be incredible players. Trung Candidate. Tedi Bruschi. Rob Waldrop. The problem is, that only gets you so far - you get some stellar teams, but they have no depth, and after the star leaves, there isn't anyone to step into their place.
This year we have depth across both lines. Depth at the skill positions (except QB, but the QB we have is excellent). Depth in the secondary. The only place on defense we don't have a lot of depth is linebacker, but we have three seniors there.
This team is going to be very, very good next year - and is pretty damn good this year. But these next four games....if we can split them, I will be pleased.
What do you think of Stoops as a game coach? I have never been terribly impressed while paying very little attention, and the local radio guys have been killing him for years.
Quote from: sbr on November 13, 2009, 11:55:10 PM
What do you think of Stoops as a game coach? I have never been terribly impressed while paying very little attention, and the local radio guys have been killing him for years.
I think he is a fucking spaz, to be honest. Arizona has lost a lot of games over the years by very few points, and a lot of that can be blamed on Stoops. Wasting time outs, not having play calls ready, spending his time bitching at officials and acting like a four year old instead of coaching.
There has been a lot of learning on his part - he is a lot more even keeled now, and the team reflects that I think. I think he is an excellent game preparation coach, as far as defensive scheming, but has gone from a terrible game coach to being decent now.
Quote from: sbr on November 13, 2009, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 13, 2009, 01:39:24 PM
The line on the Arizona-Cal game has gone from -2 Arizona to -3 Cal. That is rather odd - from a statistical standpoint, Arizona should win solidly, if not easily. And with Best being hurt, and Arizona finally being healthy, you would think Arizona would be a solid favorite.
But oddly enough, while Arizona is starting to get a bit of national attention, the betters are apparently thinking they are not for real.
Of course, Cal is 30-0 at home against teams that are not USC or OSU, over the last 5 or 6 years.
I heard an ESPN talking-head mention this game; he picked Cal based on:
- Arizona coming back to earth a bit (his opinion)
- Cal getting back to where they should be (again his opinion)
- A true freshman QB in a very tough road environment.
If I had to pick a winner, without regard to point spreads, I would take Cal, based mostly on the true freshman point. An Arizona win would not in any way shock me though. To be fair I have to say that I am pulling for Cal with everything I have though. :)
I don't bet on sports, but if I were a gambler, I wouldn't touch this game with the proverbial 10-foot pole.
Quote from: dps on November 14, 2009, 03:21:02 AM
Quote from: sbr on November 13, 2009, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 13, 2009, 01:39:24 PM
The line on the Arizona-Cal game has gone from -2 Arizona to -3 Cal. That is rather odd - from a statistical standpoint, Arizona should win solidly, if not easily. And with Best being hurt, and Arizona finally being healthy, you would think Arizona would be a solid favorite.
But oddly enough, while Arizona is starting to get a bit of national attention, the betters are apparently thinking they are not for real.
Of course, Cal is 30-0 at home against teams that are not USC or OSU, over the last 5 or 6 years.
I heard an ESPN talking-head mention this game; he picked Cal based on:
- Arizona coming back to earth a bit (his opinion)
- Cal getting back to where they should be (again his opinion)
- A true freshman QB in a very tough road environment.
If I had to pick a winner, without regard to point spreads, I would take Cal, based mostly on the true freshman point. An Arizona win would not in any way shock me though. To be fair I have to say that I am pulling for Cal with everything I have though. :)
I don't bet on sports, but if I were a gambler, I wouldn't touch this game with the proverbial 10-foot pole.
It is a rather bizarre evaluation. His basic contention is that Arizona is really as bad as everyone thought at the beginning of the year, and Cal really is as good as everyone thought at the beginning of the year, and we should all ignore everything that has happened between then and now.
Fightin' Harbaughs of garbon U 21 Fightin' Tims of USC 7
Florida 17, 'Cocks 14.
I had a feeling they would give UF a tough game.
UF missed a FG early on. After the miss, the camera followed the kicker to the sideline, where I saw him talking to the backup kicker, who actually goes to law school with me. The backup kicker hasn't played since the first or second week of the season, so I don't even know why they bring him to the road games. Exams are less than a month away, and most people are studying for them, so he's definitely putting himself at a disadvantage going to these away games since everything is graded on a curve. OTOH, he's a douchebag, so I have no problem with him getting shitty grades.
The Eyes are tied at 10. I'm surprised, expected a blowout.
USC is getting curbstomped by Stanford.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 14, 2009, 06:39:49 PM
USC is getting curbstomped by Stanford.
How sad is Notre Dame now all excited about losing close to USC?
Anyway good three PAC-10 losses means we can finally have a Rose Bowl unpolluted by the Spoiled Children.
:nelson @ Iowa. Serves you right for pussing out & running the clock out at the end of regulation.
Iowa's tears are delicious.
:huh:
I understand schadenfruede against USC, but Iowa? Why does anyone care?
I came.
Also, I hope Ohio State doesn't let up against Michigan next week. They can still prevent them from being bowl eligible. After all, one of the fun parts of THE GAME is being being a prick and spoiling things for the other.
RichRod deserves scorn.
I think TCU might be for real...
Huskies look played out for this season, were spanked by zee Beavers.
Watching the zona-cal game ATM with bears up by 5 late in 3rd....zona lucks out and picks ball in end zone.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 14, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
:huh:
I understand schadenfruede against USC, but Iowa? Why does anyone care?
I have a hard time respecting teams that don't play to win, that's all.
edit: Now if you want to really talk about schadenfreude, let's talk about the Pitt-ND game :lol:
Wow, not only does Arizona lose, they lose EXACTLY in the manner I said there was no way they could lose. Foles looks terrible, the offense disappears, and Cal wins ugly.
Sigh.
Still can win the Pac-10 with win next week.
Syt has been touting Dion Lewis all year long. Now that Lewis shreded up the Notre Dame defense on the national television, presumably the US can catch on to what apparently Austria already knew: the Pitt RB is a stud.
The great running backs always get the press in Vienna.
Notre Dame's Golden Tate had a nice kick return for a TD. With the failed two point converison, they are 5 down to Pitt. I hope Weis can pull a victory somewhere out of his fat ass. Not that I'm a fan of Notre Dame or anything. I'm slightly paranoid that Weis will be fired at the end of the year, and Pope Urban II Meyer will be lured up to South Bend.
Come on Charlie, fight for your job!
Pitt almost blew it completely by coughing up the ball, but they recovered their own fumble. Notre Dame is down 5 with 3:30 to go on their own 20.
Quote from: stjaba on November 14, 2009, 11:16:06 PM
Notre Dame's Golden Tate had a nice kick return for a TD. With the failed two point converison, they are 5 down to Pitt. I hope Weis can pull a victory somewhere out of his fat ass. Not that I'm a fan of Notre Dame or anything. I'm slightly paranoid that Weis will be fired at the end of the year, and Pope Urban II Meyer will be lured up to South Bend.
Come on Charlie, fight for your job!
Why in the hell would Urban Meyer ever leave Florida to go to Notre Dame of all places? Granted it was his "dream job" at one point but UofF is arguably the best college job in the country, and ND has fallen pretty damn far. Florida has better homegrown talent, state tax situation, academic requirements for recruits, weather, recent success and almost any other factor that comes into the equation other than long-term tradition and maybe big money boosters.
Notre Dame has ridiculous fans who don't understand they have been passed by, a school that the top athletes can't get into academically, shitty weather and is in Indiana. I think ND will end up with either Kelly from Cincy or Chris Peterson from Boise State.
Quote from: sbr on November 15, 2009, 12:55:53 AM
Why in the hell would Urban Meyer ever leave Florida to go to Notre Dame of all places? Granted it was his "dream job" at one point but UofF is arguably the best college job in the country, and ND has fallen pretty damn far. Florida has better homegrown talent, state tax situation, academic requirements for recruits, weather, recent success and almost any other factor that comes into the equation other than long-term tradition and maybe big money boosters.
I'm wondering the same thing myself. :D All those factors are 100 percent true.
Still, it's been a long time rumor. And Meyer himself said in December 2008, a few weeks before the national championship that he was interested in the Notre Dame job at some point down the line. He said the main reason he took the UF job was that he could do all his recruiting within a 5 hour radius of Gainesville, and that was attractive to him since had young kids. If Weis is fired in January, it will be 5 years after Meyer was hired at UF. His youngest kid is now 10, and his oldest kid is in college. He may be more willing to go to Notre Dame now that his situation has changed a bit.
You can't discount the competitive factor either. Meyer definitely seems like the kind of guy who thinks he's the smartest, best coach out there- one who can win at any school. I definitely could see him taking the challenge and winning at Notre Dame, especially since Tebow is leaving after this season. Add that to the fact that if the ND job opens up now, and is filled by a Brian Kelly or a Chris Peterson, it may stay closed for a long time... too long for Meyer to wait again.
Plus there's the emotional connection. I mean the guy is a devout Catholic named after a Pope.
Sometimes people do irrational things. It happens. Think about how every year, some schools recruit and sign 2 highly talented quarterbacks in the same class. I never understand why one stud quarterback would want to play for a team with another stud quarterback in the same year. The reason, I suppose, is these guys are arrogant athletes- they assume they will be beat out the other guy for the job. Of course, what ends up happening most of the time is that one of the guys ends up leaving after a year or two.
You forgot to mention the trim advantage.
The fighting Wyoming Wyomingites, down 27-6 at the start of the 4th quarter, rally to put 24 unanswered on the San Diego State Empty-Stadiums and pull out the win. Oh, the tanatalizing effect of 5 wins with two games left to play...
Do MWC teams with 6 wins always get bowl bids?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 15, 2009, 09:01:35 AM
Do MWC teams with 6 wins always get bowl bids?
I believe there are at least 4 and maybe 5 bowl tie ins. TCU is going to leave one of those empty...
Of course, the last 6 win team to NOT get a bowl was...Wyoming...
Looks like the teams of all of the prolific posters in this thread are going bowling...except katmai's Huskies. :nelson
Pitt is doing fine. :)
Wyoming's last two games:
vs TCU, number 4 in the country. I pencil this in as a loss.
vs CSU, the hated rival Colorado State Rams. Throw out the record books, this is going to be one dilly of a pickle, a barn burner in which the team that executes its gameplan one play at a time, with their heads on straight, and is able to give 110% will win.
DIAF duckie!
Quote from: PDH on November 15, 2009, 01:45:20 PM
vs CSU, the hated rival Colorado State Rams. Throw out the record books, this is going to be one dilly of a pickle, a barn burner in which the team that executes its gameplan one play at a time, with their heads on straight, and is able to give 110% will win.
It will all come down to who wants it more!
Quote from: PDH on November 15, 2009, 09:08:51 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 15, 2009, 09:01:35 AM
Do MWC teams with 6 wins always get bowl bids?
I believe there are at least 4 and maybe 5 bowl tie ins. TCU is going to leave one of those empty...
Of course, the last 6 win team to NOT get a bowl was...Wyoming...
There are so many bowls now that it's hard for a 6-win team to be left out, though it does still happen. Even if a conference doesn't have enough bowl tie-ins for all its bowl-eligible teams, there's a good chance that 1 or 2 conferences won't have enough eligible teams to fill all their slots, leaving a few bowls needing to plug in an at-large team.
EDIT: Actually, this year all the conferences may have enough eligible teams to fulfill all their commitments (best chance for a conference not to have enough eligilbe teams appears to be the ACC).
Quote from: Valmy on November 15, 2009, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: PDH on November 15, 2009, 01:45:20 PM
vs CSU, the hated rival Colorado State Rams. Throw out the record books, this is going to be one dilly of a pickle, a barn burner in which the team that executes its gameplan one play at a time, with their heads on straight, and is able to give 110% will win.
It will all come down to who wants it more!
And synergy!
Quote from: dps on November 15, 2009, 04:05:23 PM
There are so many bowls now that it's hard for a 6-win team to be left out, though it does still happen. Even if a conference doesn't have enough bowl tie-ins for all its bowl-eligible teams, there's a good chance that 1 or 2 conferences won't have enough eligible teams to fill all their slots, leaving a few bowls needing to plug in an at-large team.
EDIT: Actually, this year all the conferences may have enough eligible teams to fulfill all their commitments (best chance for a conference not to have enough eligilbe teams appears to be the ACC).
As I said, TCU being so good means one extra bowl for the MWC too.
That is the good part about being the best non-BCS conference, this is the third time that the MWC should get a BCS berth - while not as good as the big boys, it means money for the conference...
Quote from: sbr on November 15, 2009, 12:55:53 AM
Quote from: stjaba on November 14, 2009, 11:16:06 PM
Notre Dame's Golden Tate had a nice kick return for a TD. With the failed two point converison, they are 5 down to Pitt. I hope Weis can pull a victory somewhere out of his fat ass. Not that I'm a fan of Notre Dame or anything. I'm slightly paranoid that Weis will be fired at the end of the year, and Pope Urban II Meyer will be lured up to South Bend.
Come on Charlie, fight for your job!
Why in the hell would Urban Meyer ever leave Florida to go to Notre Dame of all places? Granted it was his "dream job" at one point but UofF is arguably the best college job in the country, and ND has fallen pretty damn far. Florida has better homegrown talent, state tax situation, academic requirements for recruits, weather, recent success and almost any other factor that comes into the equation other than long-term tradition and maybe big money boosters.
Notre Dame has ridiculous fans who don't understand they have been passed by, a school that the top athletes can't get into academically, shitty weather and is in Indiana. I think ND will end up with either Kelly from Cincy or Chris Peterson from Boise State.
I'm hoping ND makes RichRod an offer he cannot refuse. Even better, that they make the Michigan AD an offer he cannot refuse, and Martin then makes the same to RichRod.
After Rich Rodriguez is fired at Michigan I very seriously doubt any name FBS program extends a head coaching offer to him. There is a very real argument to be made that Michigan should have kept Carr for another year until more promising coaches were on the market; I do not see Carr going 3-9 in 2008 or 5-7 like Rich is going this year. Or better yet Michigan could have avoided totally mismanaging the Les Miles thing--however I think Les Miles is one of the most overrated coaches in college football and I don't think he'll find significant success elsewhere.
It's been a long time since it happened but I made predictions on this forum way back when that Rich would not do well at Michigan unless he was there for 3-4 years and he's done so badly I doubt he'll get a 4th year without enormous success in 2010.
I think/hope Notre Dame would be smart enough to skip him.
Quote from: sbr on November 15, 2009, 01:07:54 PM
Looks like the teams of all of the prolific posters in this thread are going bowling...except katmai's Huskies. :nelson
Maryland is out. Looks bad for Michigan too.
Here are the rankings. What has Texas done to deserve any #1 votes? :huh:
QuoteAP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida (36) 10-0 1463
2 Alabama (14) 10-0 1429
3 Texas (10) 10-0 1424
4 TCU 10-0 1307
5 Cincinnati 10-0 1247
6 Boise State 10-0 1213
7 Georgia Tech 10-1 1139
8 Pittsburgh 9-1 1030
9 Ohio State 9-2 990
10 LSU 8-2 968
11 Oregon 8-2 918
12 Oklahoma State 8-2 754
13 Penn State 9-2 689
14 Stanford 7-3 652
15 Iowa 9-2 633
16 Virginia Tech 7-3 559
17 Wisconsin 8-2 547
18 Clemson 7-3 442
19 Brigham Young 8-2 344
20 Oregon State 7-3 338
21 Miami (FL) 7-3 255
22 USC 7-3 223
23 Utah 8-2 183
24 Houston 8-2 149
25 Rutgers 7-2 145
* Dropped from rankings: Arizona 18, South Florida 23
* Others receiving votes: North Carolina 144, Nebraska 64, California 53, Arizona 50, Mississippi 45, Navy 41, Temple 23, Auburn 9, Georgia 9, West Virginia 8, Oklahoma 5, Texas Tech 4, Boston College 3, Nevada 1,
Texas ranked higher than Alabama, that's just insanity.
QuoteUSA Today Poll
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida (48) 10-0 1460
2 Texas (4) 10-0 1397
3 Alabama (7) 10-0 1388
4 TCU 10-0 1277
5 Cincinnati 10-0 1219
6 Boise State 10-0 1183
7 Georgia Tech 10-1 1127
8 Ohio State 9-2 1019
9 Pittsburgh 9-1 997
10 LSU 8-2 956
11 Oregon 8-2 875
12 Penn State 9-2 772
13 Oklahoma State 8-2 750
14 Wisconsin 8-2 630
15 Iowa 9-2 584
16 Virginia Tech 7-3 558
17 Stanford 7-3 516
18 Brigham Young 8-2 404
19 Clemson 7-3 274
20 Oregon State 7-3 256
21 USC 7-3 239
22 Houston 8-2 229
23 Utah 8-2 212
24 Miami (FL) 7-3 156
25 Nebraska 7-3 107
25 North Carolina 7-3 107
* Dropped from rankings: Arizona 19, West Virginia 23, South Florida 24, Auburn 25
* Others receiving votes: Arizona 87, Navy 76, Rutgers 74, California 55, Mississippi 46, West Virginia 46, CENTRL MICHIGAN 27, Temple 17, Oklahoma 15, Boston College 14, Auburn 8, Texas Tech 7, Nevada 6, Northwestern 3, Georgia 2,
Oddly enough, Arizona STILL controls their own destiny - I think if they win out, they still got to the Rose Bowl.
Texas has gone undefeated in a BCS conference, that is all it takes to get significant #1 votes. There was a lengthy discussion earlier in these forums about SOS, something that plays virtually no role in how these things are actually decided. Most people recognize Texas has had a pretty weak schedule but ultimately they've won every game and they're a big name school in a BCS conference.
It doesn't really matter that Texas probably wouldn't be undefeated right now in the SEC or Pac-10, because I've watched many seasons of college football and I don't ever see that playing significant roles in the decisions of the voters.
The other bit of insanity is two teams could be 10-0 and whichever team started out with a preseason higher rank is most likely to end up ranked higher, regardless of other factors.
Note I'm not agreeing with it just stating how things are.
Quote from: Berkut on November 15, 2009, 08:19:12 PM
Oddly enough, Arizona STILL controls their own destiny - I think if they win out, they still got to the Rose Bowl.
that's what I said last night. :P
Quote from: dps on November 15, 2009, 04:05:23 PM
There are so many bowls now that it's hard for a 6-win team to be left out, though it does still happen.
Marshall may well be one of those teams, though that's assuming it can manage to beat UTEP or (less likely) SMU. Snyder should be out of there, in any case.
I think the Pac-10 will get rid of the round robing schedule. Costs too much $$$.
Quote from: Berkut on November 15, 2009, 08:47:04 PM
I think the Pac-10 will get rid of the round robing schedule. Costs too much $$$.
What's the alternative, scheduling such that some Pac-10 teams never meet in regular season play? Unless the Pac-10 goes to a split division format with a championship game not sure how else they can schedule, and to do that they'd have to add teams.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 15, 2009, 08:50:09 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 15, 2009, 08:47:04 PM
I think the Pac-10 will get rid of the round robing schedule. Costs too much $$$.
What's the alternative, scheduling such that some Pac-10 teams never meet in regular season play? Unless the Pac-10 goes to a split division format with a championship game not sure how else they can schedule, and to do that they'd have to add teams.
There has been a lot of talk, especially with the new commissioner, about expansion, actually.
But what they would do sans expansion is that you would just not play 1 team in the conference each year, and it would rotate. They did this before the NCAA allowed a 12 game schedule.
The Big 10(11) does that but I think that's only worked because historically the championship is always won by Michigan or Ohio State and they play every single year. I could see really big problems with fan outcry and et cetera in years when a team like Oregon or Cal go undefeated in the Pac-10 but so does USC and the two never meet. I think that's less of a concern in the Big10 because most of the teams in the Big 10 are so terrible.
Yep more likely they just drop 1 conference game then expansion from what I think.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 15, 2009, 08:55:31 PM
The Big 10(11) does that but I think that's only worked because historically the championship is always won by Michigan or Ohio State and they play every single year. I could see really big problems with fan outcry and et cetera in years when a team like Oregon or Cal go undefeated in the Pac-10 but so does USC and the two never meet. I think that's less of a concern in the Big10 because most of the teams in the Big 10 are so terrible.
Indeed - it why Pac-10 fans are so proud of being the only BCS conference that plays an actual conference schedule.
But what are the odds that you are going to get that second team into a BCS game when you haven't structurued things like the SEC, so that you can just beat up on patsies and OOC cupcakes to get two 1 or 0 loss teams? And there is simply too much money at stake getting that second team into a BCS game.
Big East has always done round robin, actually.
I think the ACC did too before they added 50 teams to adopt a conference championship model but I could be mistaken on that.
Getting two teams into a BCS game was the point behind the ACC restructuring from what I can tell; unfortunately the ACC fell apart somewhere around 2004.
I think expansion makes the most financial sense since you get to do a conference championship game which brings in a lot of money for the conference as a whole. Would have to find two west coast schools that have decent-sized stadiums and fan bases, though.
Texas may have a soft schedule, but they've looked like a top tier team in those games- only 2 of their wins have been by less than 24 points. Florida and Alabama have tougher (conference) schedules, but they've had a lot more close ones. Texas probably has the best offense of the three.
I wouldn't vote them #1 myself, but there's definitely an argument to be made for them.
The Pac-10 should pick up Texas and A&M.
If the Pac-10 wants to expand, it should go for MWC or WAC teams. Boise State would be a great fit IMO. But who else? Utah and Brigham Young would be good targets too, but I don't think the MWC would let that happen without a fight.
Honestly, I don't even know if Boise State would want to join the Pac-10. As it stands, it has a better chance of making every year than it would inside the Pac-10.
The Pac-10 has a reputation as a conference of schools with excellent academics as well - I believe all the schools are at least PhD granting institutions. Trucker-U, er, Boise State does not fit in this very well.
Utah would be a much better academic fit, but as has been mentioned the MWC would fight this quite hard (it was the defections of Arizona and ASU in the 70s that altered the old WAC, people have long memories). I would guess, if the money is enough, a couple of schools would jump - likely from the MWC (Utah and BYU).
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 15, 2009, 09:04:40 PM
I think expansion makes the most financial sense since you get to do a conference championship game which brings in a lot of money for the conference as a whole. Would have to find two west coast schools that have decent-sized stadiums and fan bases, though.
and that is the problem.
Utah?
Byu?
The lack of any viable schools to invite is why I don't see expansion happening without poaching from big 12.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 14, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
:huh:
I understand schadenfruede against USC, but Iowa? Why does anyone care?
Irrational hatred of course. :huh:
Quote from: FunkMonk on November 14, 2009, 07:00:36 PM
Iowa's tears are delicious.
:mad:
Why the hate?
It's not like it was a big surprise, though. Hell, our QB was out with a limp against one of the top defenses this season. I'm impressed we did as well as we did. OT against Ohio State with a baby QB is nothing to sneeze at.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 15, 2009, 08:15:58 PM
Here are the rankings. What has Texas done to deserve any #1 votes? :huh:
Won all its games with the nations #1 defense?.
I like the fact the nations top three defenses go:
1. Texas
2. Florida
3. Bama
QuoteTexas ranked higher than Alabama, that's just insanity.
Yeah...you just hated Texas because they had Vince Young...suuuure. Florida fans everywhere are rejoicing at Bama being tainted.
Quote from: Berkut on November 15, 2009, 09:25:24 PM
The Pac-10 should pick up Texas and A&M.
That would make alot of Texas fans very happy. The Big 8 schools dislike Texas and the feeling is mutual.
Texas defense isn't that impressive when you look at who Texas has played. I won't fault Texas for having a weak schedule, they're a BCS conference that usually has some solid competition. The players and coaches and even the AD can't control the fact that a lot of teams Texas played this year have ended up sucking. I will say Texas OOC competition is am embarrassment to such a degree I'm shocked a Texas fan can show his face in this thread with any degree of arrogance. UL-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP, and UCF. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Berkut on November 15, 2009, 08:19:12 PM
Oddly enough, Arizona STILL controls their own destiny - I think if they win out, they still got to the Rose Bowl.
I believe you are right because they would have beaten all of the other 2 loss teams: UofO, OSU and Stanford. It should be an interesting finish. I guess you were right that the Pac-10 wouldn't be decided by early November. :blush:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 16, 2009, 12:10:30 AM
I will say Texas OOC competition is am embarrassment to such a degree I'm shocked a Texas fan can show his face in this thread with any degree of arrogance. UL-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP, and UCF. :rolleyes:
:lol: Actually, that's really not that bad as far as OOC schedules go. Not a single 1AA tune up team on there. And keep in mind the Wyoming game is only there because Arkansas canceled (or something..I can't seem to recall exactly what happened with that atm). I, for one, was happy to see Wyoming play for the first time though.
Edit: Oh and speaking of Texas in the PAC-10, something I was looking at earlier was showing they'll be playing UCLA in...er...2010 and 2011, and Cal in 2015 and 2016 (Mississippi in '12 and '13, and....Minnesota in 15 and 16 too) IIRC. So that's cool I guess.
Edit2: Here it is: http://nationalchamps.net/NCAA/future_schedules/texas_future.htm
Edit3: Looking at other schedules, I came across Navy's: http://nationalchamps.net/NCAA/future_schedules/navy_future.htm
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:yeahright:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 16, 2009, 12:33:36 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 16, 2009, 12:10:30 AM
I will say Texas OOC competition is am embarrassment to such a degree I'm shocked a Texas fan can show his face in this thread with any degree of arrogance. UL-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP, and UCF. :rolleyes:
:lol: Actually, that's really not that bad as far as OOC schedules go. Not a single 1AA tune up team on there. And keep in mind the Wyoming game is only there because Arkansas canceled (or something..I can't seem to recall exactly what happened with that atm). I, for one, was happy to see Wyoming play for the first time though.
No 1AA teams, but no teams from a BCS conference, either. Though if you're correct about Arkansas cancelling on them, then it's not totally their fault.
Quote from: dps on November 16, 2009, 02:49:51 AM
No 1AA teams, but no teams from a BCS conference, either. Though if you're correct about Arkansas cancelling on them, then it's not totally their fault.
Not having any BCS schools in the OOC schedule isn't all THAT weird. It's certainly not a huge shocker or whatever Otto was talking about. It's just a super cupcake OOC schedule.
But yeah, Arkansas was supposed to be there anyway. There's no question the Pigs canceled the game (which was even supposed to be in Fayetteville this year). I just can't remember if the Wyoming series thing came about because of the sudden absence of those games on the schedule, or if it had already been planned, and either UTEP or ULM is the replacement. UCF was part of a deal from a couple of years ago (Texas was their first opponent in their new stadium).
Hm. They played @UTEP last year, so not the Miners. Don't recall if the ULM game is part of a series too.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 16, 2009, 03:09:39 AM
Not having any BCS schools in the OOC schedule isn't all THAT weird.
It may not be weird, but it is pathetic. And that it's not considered weird is even more pathetic.
Quote from: dps on November 16, 2009, 03:14:25 AM
It may not be weird, but it is pathetic. And that it's not considered weird is even more pathetic.
No, it's still kinda weird. It's just not something to get all worked up about. And it's also not something to be holding against Texas, at least
this year heh, since they scheduled the Pigs. Shit happens. I mean, I guess they should have Florida or someone on speed dial in case UCLA poons out next year, but I'm not really going to hold it against them and be all pissed off if they don't and end up having to play...North Texas or something.
Edit: :lol: UTEP and UCF both have Ws against a top 25 team now. Poor Houston. Watch Wyoming take out TCU this next week.
Hey Valmy, 3 of the computers have TCU over Texas. :contract:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 16, 2009, 12:10:30 AM
I will say Texas OOC competition is am embarrassment to such a degree I'm shocked a Texas fan can show his face in this thread with any degree of arrogance. UL-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP, and UCF. :rolleyes:
We had Utah and Arkansas and UTEP and UCF as our OOC schedule but Utah and Arkansas dumped us and Texas had to scramble and found Wyoming and UL-Monroe to fill in. It is especially bizarre since Arkansas was going to be hosting Texas but preferred a game in Jerry World against the Ags. I have been pissed about the schedule ever since it was released but come on man, I am not going to flagellate myself in contrition all year begging for forgiveness. I have admitted as such all year on this board...what do you want me to do? Be ashamed Texas is playing great and 10-0? Please.
The OOC schedule sucks and I am not happy about it. I am proud of the way they play defense I guess I fail to see how that is "arrogance" being happy my favorite team is playing well.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 16, 2009, 03:53:56 AM
Hey Valmy, 3 of the computers have TCU over Texas. :contract:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs
Hey Tim, 2 of the computers have Cincinnati over Alabama.
Next person who slams the fact that Texas played Wyoming will get Dick Cheney coming to their house and kicking their ass.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 16, 2009, 12:33:36 AM
:lol: Actually, that's really not that bad as far as OOC schedules go. Not a single 1AA tune up team on there. And keep in mind the Wyoming game is only there because Arkansas canceled (or something..I can't seem to recall exactly what happened with that atm). I, for one, was happy to see Wyoming play for the first time though.
The Wyoming series replaced Utah. It was UL-Monroe who replaced Arkansas :P
Just mock whoever Timmay is rooting for Val. If you can pin the fucker down.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 16, 2009, 09:31:14 AM
Just mock whoever Timmay is rooting for Val. If you can pin the fucker down.
It's hard when he has so many. He is so happy about Alabama and TCU he doesn't really care USC and Notre Dame lost. :(
Timmay makes me sick. :mad:
Oh by the way glad to see Brutus in the Rose Bowl again. The first one since Ohio State ripped the heart out of Arizona State way back in the day.
Quote from: Valmy on November 16, 2009, 10:02:37 AM
Oh by the way glad to see Brutus in the Rose Bowl again. The first one since Ohio State ripped the heart out of Arizona State way back in the day.
Ahhh, Jake the Flake. memories.
Quote from: Valmy on November 16, 2009, 09:05:05 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 16, 2009, 12:10:30 AM
I will say Texas OOC competition is am embarrassment to such a degree I'm shocked a Texas fan can show his face in this thread with any degree of arrogance. UL-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP, and UCF. :rolleyes:
We had Utah and Arkansas and UTEP and UCF as our OOC schedule but Utah and Arkansas dumped us and Texas had to scramble and found Wyoming and UL-Monroe to fill in. It is especially bizarre since Arkansas was going to be hosting Texas but preferred a game in Jerry World against the Ags. I have been pissed about the schedule ever since it was released but come on man, I am not going to flagellate myself in contrition all year begging for forgiveness. I have admitted as such all year on this board...what do you want me to do? Be ashamed Texas is playing great and 10-0? Please.
The OOC schedule sucks and I am not happy about it. I am proud of the way they play defense I guess I fail to see how that is "arrogance" being happy my favorite team is playing well.
It's also not Texas' fault that the rest of their conference has been mediocre this year. I'm not trying to rip Texas for that; it's just that the weak conference and the laughable OOC schedule make it hard to try to figure out just how good they are. We know that they're good, but there's little basis to try and figure out how they should rank compared to the other undefeated teams.
Quote from: dps on November 16, 2009, 12:44:14 PM
It's also not Texas' fault that the rest of their conference has been mediocre this year. I'm not trying to rip Texas for that; it's just that the weak conference and the laughable OOC schedule make it hard to try to figure out just how good they are. We know that they're good, but there's little basis to try and figure out how they should rank compared to the other undefeated teams.
This is a year of mediocre teams. Even if Texas had beaten USC early on how much could we really tell by that win now? Bama and Florida have had their struggles with mediocre teams themselves. I think it is pretty much a crapshoot as to who should be the best team. It is like 2007 but without the losing. Very different sort of season from last year.
The Heisman race is especially meh this year. Nobody wants to win the dang thing, if McCoy or Tebow get it it will be more of a lifetime achievement award because nobody had a great season. Ingram would not even be on the watch list normally but if he gets it it would be a perfect symbol for how rather unexciting the season has been as a whole. I mean it has been pretty fun as a Texas fan I just mean nationally.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 16, 2009, 12:33:36 AM
Quote from: 2012 Season9-1 Notre Dame @Dublin, Ireland
Oh, now that's just cool. :cool:
Maybe I'll go.
Also, would the Fighting Irish be considered offensive? Like the Indians/Redskins/Seminoles nonsense? :P
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 16, 2009, 03:15:58 AM
Quote from: dps on November 16, 2009, 03:14:25 AM
It may not be weird, but it is pathetic. And that it's not considered weird is even more pathetic.
No, it's still kinda weird. It's just not something to get all worked up about. And it's also not something to be holding against Texas, at least this year heh, since they scheduled the Pigs. Shit happens. I mean, I guess they should have Florida or someone on speed dial in case UCLA poons out next year, but I'm not really going to hold it against them and be all pissed off if they don't and end up having to play...North Texas or something.
Edit: :lol: UTEP and UCF both have Ws against a top 25 team now. Poor Houston. Watch Wyoming take out TCU this next week.
I don't consider as relevant the circumstances behind the schedule, only what it actually is. Once you start saying, "but Texas schedule Arkansas!" you open a huge can of worms because every school has stuff like that come up.
I actually explicitly said I don't hold SOS
against anyone, because it is well outside of a team's control. Even the AD that schedules teams can't know 3-4+ years in advance how good a team will be in a given year.
What I will say is sans any sort of playoff I can only say that voters should take the relative SOS into account, which I think they do to a degree but only when comparing teams with similar records. For example a 12-0 Texas would be higher ranked than a 12-0 Boise State (which has the 109th SOS in the country, almost the very easiest in all of FBS.) Where things fall apart is a team that is 11-1 with the hardest schedule in the country may end up ranked lower than a team that is 12-0 with the 40th SOS in the country.
As it stands once the SEC is settled I think it's obvious the winner of the SEC Championship goes and Texas has played a tougher schedule than any other undefeated team (if they lose it all breaks open, though.) So the SOS discussion is relatively meaningless unless Texas loses.
Quote from: Valmy on November 16, 2009, 12:53:48 PM
The Heisman race is especially meh this year.
I've been liking to watch Keenum's stats every time the whole "race for the Heisman" thing pops up during games. They go up exponentially every time, and stand out hilariously. Something like:
McCoy Tebow Keenum Ingram
71% completion 71% 65% 6.7 ypc
2,554 yards 1,832 4,548 1,297 yards
20 total TDs 20 total TDs 38 TDs 14 TDs
:P The next time you see it, if they've played a game, it'll have gone up by 500 yards and 5 touchdowns.
Edit:
QuoteThe Wyoming series replaced Utah. It was UL-Monroe who replaced Arkansas :P
Oh hey forgot about Utah.
Central Michigan - Ball State tonight. Woo. Also Colorado and Oklahoma State.
Berkut there's an interview coming up with Arizona's "most important player" soon on ESPN2 (College Football Live).
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but this week features 0 top 25 matchups. :zzz This has been a relatively boring season.
I may disagree with Berkut et al. regarding the stregnth of the Pac-10, but at least the race is exciting. One unfortunate side effect of the SEC's schedule is that if both teams have locked up the division, the rest of the season is anti-climatic. The only remaining drama is seeing if 1 out of Texas, Florida, or Alabama is upset. I know Texas plays Texas A&M, as well as the Big 12 North winner. Florida only has FSU to worry about, and Alabama has Auburn. I predict that the voters will punish a UF or 'Bama upset and take them out of the national championship game even if they win the SEC. The big argument would be who would take their place.
Quote from: Valmy on November 16, 2009, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 16, 2009, 09:31:14 AM
Just mock whoever Timmay is rooting for Val. If you can pin the fucker down.
It's hard when he has so many. He is so happy about Alabama and TCU he doesn't really care USC and Notre Dame lost. :(
I never cared about USC, I just preferred them to Texas.
I do care about Notre Dame. :weep:
Hey Tim, you been able to watch any games in Japan?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 18, 2009, 08:07:56 PM
Hey Tim, you been able to watch any games in Japan?
That's a pretty expensive trip just to watch a game.
Korea, mea culpa.
They all look alike.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 18, 2009, 08:07:56 PM
Hey Tim, you been able to watch any games in Japan?
I'm in Korea.
I haven't watched any College games, but I saw most of the Pats-Colts game. Thankfully I missed the last 2:30 minutes.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 18, 2009, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 18, 2009, 08:07:56 PM
Hey Tim, you been able to watch any games in Japan?
I'm in Korea.
I haven't watched any College games, but I saw most of the Pats-Colts game. Thankfully I missed the last 2:30 minutes.
Too bad. Otherwise, you might have learned that cheaters never prosper.
And now, your OSU-Michigan weird story of the day:
QuoteWee bit of pee in Mirror Lake after OSU jumps
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:43 PM
By Doug Caruso
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
During the big Michigan Week jump, Ohio State University's Mirror Lake and a baby pool have a lot in common.
The jump, which will take place Thursday night, is one of many student traditions. But Ohio State also is a research university, so it was inevitable that someone would apply a little science to this ritual.
Last year, students in the College of Earth Sciences tested the water in Mirror Lake before, during and after thousands plunged in to psych themselves up for The Game.
"Interesting results from last year's study include a lake-wide temperature increase of approximately 3 degrees Fahrenheit during the course of the night and an ammonia spike around 1in the morning," said Steve Goldsmith, a postdoctoral research associate.
The temperature increase could be chalked up to warm-blooded people standing in a cold lake, Goldsmith said. But, yes, that ammonia spike means exactly what you think it means.
Urine.
"It went from a background of 5.2 parts per million to a peak of about 42 parts per million," Goldsmith said. "So it was an eightfold increase."
Claire Mondro, a senior majoring in geology and English, helped with the research last year and plans to jump in with her friends Thursday night.
"It's nothing dangerous," she said. "It's just kind of icky."
Then she'll dry off and take water samples around 2 a.m.
The project has grown this year. Goldsmith said the sampling will continue every half-hour into the wee hours of Friday morning, and biology students will test for bacteria and other microbes.
It's a fun project, said Anne Carey, an associate professor of earth sciences who is overseeing the research. But the students take it seriously.
"We treat this as rigorously as any other research study we've done on natural water bodies," she said.
Goldsmith said he doesn't want to stop anyone from jumping in, though he does advise taking a shower afterward.
"Have fun, but don't open your mouth."
Oh man...
Well, with all the drinking going on, it's no surprise. :P
If only Woody Hayes was still alive to go for three on Rich Rod's buncha scrubs.
Quote from: Valmy on November 19, 2009, 01:22:26 PM
If only Woody Hayes was still alive to go for three on Rich Rod's buncha scrubs.
Hilariously, all the talk of Ohio State pulverizing Michigan has got me slightly concerned they aren't going to take the game seriously. Especially since nothing is on the line.
This game is always wacky with underdogs winning.
SYNERGY IS NEEDED!
I will be pulling for the Buckeyes, I want them ranked as high as possible when the Ducks curb-stomp them in Pasadena.
Quote from: sbr on November 19, 2009, 01:27:04 PM
I will be pulling for the Buckeyes, I want them ranked as high as possible when the Ducks curb-stomp them in Pasadena.
Indeed. The Ducks should certainly be thinking about that upcoming Rose Bowl game, not to mention the Civil War game.
Quote from: Berkut on November 19, 2009, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 19, 2009, 01:27:04 PM
I will be pulling for the Buckeyes, I want them ranked as high as possible when the Ducks curb-stomp them in Pasadena.
Indeed. The Ducks should certainly be thinking about that upcoming Rose Bowl game, not to mention the Civil War game.
Nope the Ducks are focused on smacking the Wildcats around, only the fans are looking ahead to California on New Years Day. :yes:
Are you: Synergizing?
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2009, 01:25:27 PM
Hilariously, all the talk of Ohio State pulverizing Michigan has got me slightly concerned they aren't going to take the game seriously. Especially since nothing is on the line.
This game is always wacky with underdogs winning.
SYNERGY IS NEEDED!
Hehe Bill had some pretty hilarious posts recently telling us all to focus on Baylor and Kansas. Let me tell you we were all focussed and synergized.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2009, 01:30:34 PM
Are you: Synergizing?
Like a motherfucker; I am sitting on my ass in my Dusk pajamas and sipping tea from my Ducks mug. I have never been a car flag kind of guy myself.
Awesome. Mangino might rage on the field and hit somebody. Bill's Synergy will keep him in check.
Quote from: sbr on November 19, 2009, 01:29:46 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 19, 2009, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 19, 2009, 01:27:04 PM
I will be pulling for the Buckeyes, I want them ranked as high as possible when the Ducks curb-stomp them in Pasadena.
Indeed. The Ducks should certainly be thinking about that upcoming Rose Bowl game, not to mention the Civil War game.
Nope the Ducks are focused on smacking the Wildcats around, only the fans are looking ahead to California on New Years Day. :yes:
Maybe they will have Blount to help them, he is good at smacking people around.
It should be a hell of a game.
Quote from: Berkut on November 19, 2009, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 19, 2009, 01:29:46 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 19, 2009, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: sbr on November 19, 2009, 01:27:04 PM
I will be pulling for the Buckeyes, I want them ranked as high as possible when the Ducks curb-stomp them in Pasadena.
Indeed. The Ducks should certainly be thinking about that upcoming Rose Bowl game, not to mention the Civil War game.
Nope the Ducks are focused on smacking the Wildcats around, only the fans are looking ahead to California on New Years Day. :yes:
Maybe they will have Blount to help them, he is good at smacking people around.
It should be a hell of a game.
I wouldn't be honest if I said I hoped it was a good game, I want the Ducks to end it early and blow them out; that being said this is the game that scared me the most after the USC win, more than the Stanford game at the time.
I am curious if they are going to give Blount any meaningful carries the rest of the way; his best case scenario, outside of injuries, is 3rd string/short-yardage back. James is very clearly the #1 back and Barner should have the #2 back and kick return jobs locked up for the rest of the season.
Oh yes, I don't WANT a good game - I want Arizona to get a couple early turnovers and build a nice 3 TD lead and then hammer the Ducks as they desperately try to come back.
I don't think that is going to happen though. If it is a blowout, it will likely be on the wrong side.
I hope they put Blount in.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2009, 01:30:34 PM
Are you: Synergizing?
I hope Michigan synergizes all over your fucking forehead.
:lol: I just turned on the Colorado - Oklahoma State game, and there's immediately a <large number of yards> TD pass by the Pokes, who were behind, crowd goes nuts, band plays extra loud, etc, then Colorado takes the kickoff 98 yards to regain the lead.
Edit: And why is OKState using a backup QB? Who the hell is this guy? Weeden? He's kicking all kinds of ass.
Looks like The Photographer might get fired by the Fighting Irish. Good. It'll be nice to be able to root for them again without feeling like I have to take a shower.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 19, 2009, 10:52:21 PM
Edit: And why is OKState using a backup QB? Who the hell is this guy? Weeden? He's kicking all kinds of ass.
He's on their baseball team. He's already been drafted by the Yankees, I think.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 20, 2009, 06:06:21 PM
He's on their baseball team. He's already been drafted by the Yankees, I think.
Yeah, they were saying he got drafted in the second round back in '02, and was playing ~A level baseball before heading to Oklahoma State football. Never heard of the guy until last night, when he came out slinging TDs all over the goddamn place (well 2, but hey). :blink:
Buckeyes will wear this throwback uniform to honor the 1954 champion team.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elevenwarriors.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F11%2Funis.jpg&hash=6e76b184672b1065803b9545d6bfe3f06cfaba34)
Edit: Doesn't look that "throwback" to me, but the Bama-style helmet numbers are interesting. I hope OSU isn't jumping on the Nike bandwagon too.
I've ingested 12 Tums so far. OPEN UP THE OFFENSE SENATOR.
Jesus tapdancing CHRIST. Fucking Pryor. Take the goddamned sack.
This is getting comical. The worst thing is, OSU will assrape Michigan yet again, and RichRod won't be fired, setting up yet another assrape for next year.
I am just so glad that Bill Martin is retiring as AD. He has been such a crappy selector of coaches, and has been focussed entirely on uglifying the sports complex, rather than maintaining quality programs. Michigan football will surely have a new coach as one of the first things his successor does (because, it turns out, RichRod was really Martin's only candidate for head coach to replace Carr; Martin was absolutely convinced that the spread is unstoppable and wanted no one other than the best spread coach in the country).
Oh, and when did Martin take over as AD? When the slide began, in 2000.
Of course, there is going to be another loss to OSU following that change, but this game may become a rivalry game again after that. Sorry, Ed, but I don't see Michigan having a competitive football team earlier than 2012.
Wyoming was really looking good when it was 10-10 in the second...then suddenly it was 24-10 and I am sending out for some of MBs tums.
I said it before RichRod, and I'll say it again--Two words to save Michigan football: Bill. Cowher.
The giant banner Ohio State fans stating they thanked RichRod was funny, yet a bit tasteless. The angry Michigan fan ripping the banner away was hilarious though.
Also, I hope Ironhead's boy stays in school.
Quote from: grumbler on November 21, 2009, 03:27:53 PM
This is getting comical. The worst thing is, OSU will assrape Michigan yet again, and RichRod won't be fired, setting up yet another assrape for next year.
I am just so glad that Bill Martin is retiring as AD. He has been such a crappy selector of coaches, and has been focussed entirely on uglifying the sports complex, rather than maintaining quality programs. Michigan football will surely have a new coach as one of the first things his successor does (because, it turns out, RichRod was really Martin's only candidate for head coach to replace Carr; Martin was absolutely convinced that the spread is unstoppable and wanted no one other than the best spread coach in the country).
Oh, and when did Martin take over as AD? When the slide began, in 2000.
Of course, there is going to be another loss to OSU following that change, but this game may become a rivalry game again after that. Sorry, Ed, but I don't see Michigan having a competitive football team earlier than 2012.
:yes:
The Big Ten isn't going to comeback without Michigan breathing down the neck of Ohio State and Penn State.
So is Weis out at Notre Dame as they lost 3rd straightt and dropped to 6-5?
:lmfao: Go UCONN!
Well, the Timmay taint strikes again. Ever since the 2005-06 Fiesta bowl, when timmay uttered the fateful words "THE IRISH WILL CRUSH THE BUCKEYES", the Irish have been doomed.
Place the blame where it belongs.
I blame seedy as he is a lapsed catholic.
Quote from: katmai on November 21, 2009, 06:29:08 PM
I blame seedy as he is a lapsed catholic.
So's Marty.
Wow what bad play calling by Les miles and LSU
Quote from: katmai on November 21, 2009, 07:25:25 PM
Wow what bad play calling by Les miles and LSU
Bonehead O' The Day, definitely.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2009, 04:14:09 PM
The giant banner Ohio State fans stating they thanked RichRod was funny, yet a bit tasteless. The angry Michigan fan ripping the banner away was hilarious though.
I suspect you'll be posting the jpeg in order to taunt grumbler.
Quote from: grumbler on November 21, 2009, 03:27:53 PM
This is getting comical. The worst thing is, OSU will assrape Michigan yet again, and RichRod won't be fired, setting up yet another assrape for next year.
I am just so glad that Bill Martin is retiring as AD. He has been such a crappy selector of coaches, and has been focussed entirely on uglifying the sports complex, rather than maintaining quality programs. Michigan football will surely have a new coach as one of the first things his successor does (because, it turns out, RichRod was really Martin's only candidate for head coach to replace Carr; Martin was absolutely convinced that the spread is unstoppable and wanted no one other than the best spread coach in the country).
Oh, and when did Martin take over as AD? When the slide began, in 2000.
Of course, there is going to be another loss to OSU following that change, but this game may become a rivalry game again after that. Sorry, Ed, but I don't see Michigan having a competitive football team earlier than 2012.
I'll be honest the situation at Michigan is very complicated.
The immediate failings are totally the result of Rich Rodriguez. I watched Rodriguez coach for many years and his offensive output is unstoppable when he gets personnel on the field to run his system, he destroyed SEC Champion Georgia with it and he ran over some of the best teams in the country with it. The immediate problems that Rich Rodriguez ran into (and the Michigan has suffered with) are:
1. Rich Rodriguez only knows one way to coach football. Michigan has enough talent "baseline" that there is genuinely a good chance that someone like me or you could have gone in, kept all of Lloyd Carr's assistants and simply said "let's run our base playbook guys." We wouldn't come close to a BCS bid or anything, but we'd win 8-9 games. Just because Michigan had so much more talent when Carr left that they shouldn't be losing to teams like Michigan State etc. Because Rich Rodriguez only knows one way to coach football, he doesn't have the ability to go in and slowly integrate the team into his system. Instead he has to totally destroy every bit of what there was, and rebuild it from the ground up. Carr was well past his prime, and needed to go, but he didn't leave the cupboard bare by any means, and personnel like Mallet et cetera were more than capable football players. Rodriguez ran off anyone who didn't fit within his system and since everyone was totally new to it, they were guaranteed to execute poorly for several seasons.
2. Rich Rodriguez doesn't understand Michigan. The average Michigan fan has an ego the size of a swimming pool, they are one of the few schools out there with as much ego as Ivy Leaguers, Michigan genuinely believes it is simply better than everyone else in the Big 10. Not in terms of football, not even exclusively in terms of academics, but more they intrinsically believe they are superior human beings to the likes of people who went to Minnesota, Wisconsin et cetera. (Incidentally this is why I love seeing Michigan do so poorly.) Because Rich Rodriguez doesn't understand Michigan he doesn't understand he can't go in and rebuild from the ground up because the Michigan ego can't tolerate several losing seasons, which is what it would take for Rodriguez system to truly work at its peak performance.
3. Rich Rodriguez is an offensive coordinator and still thinks of himself as one, not a head coach. He has consistently neglected defense everywhere he has coached. This was fine in the Big East where the overall level of play wasn't that high, and where his explosive offense could simply outscore everyone else. In a conference like the Big 10, and especially at Michigan Rodriguez needs to
care about the defensive side of the ball to actually have a consistent shot at winning a Big 10 title and a Rose Bowl every single year.
Those are just the Rodriguez specific problems. The bigger problem is that Michigan is more of a 1960s football program in the late 200Xs. What I mean is, football by and large at the college level has become dominated by "Football Factories." The best talent comes from football factory High Schools where the star players are groomed from day one to be football players, not student athletes. These football factory high schools have deep connections with most of the powerhouse coaching staffs at schools like LSU, Florida, Miami et cetera. Football players from these schools go on to college versions of the football factory high school. While LSU or U. Miami or Alabama et cetera are certainly fine schools but they essentially create an iron curtain between the football players and the "real" university. Football players at these schools are being groomed to be the best football players they can possibly be, period. They are put into very structured degree programs that sometimes feature courses taught by the football or basketball coach, they have a whole staff of tutors that essentially hold their hands through even the very easiest classes and make sure they never become academically ineligible.
At most levels of college football, you can require your players to be both good players while also striving to create good men. Dedicated students and quality members of the community. However, at the
very highest levels of college football, where you want to be playing not just for BCS bowl wins but for a BCS Natoinal Championship, I think by and large we're seeing a steady and unstoppable switch to dominance by programs that are all about one thing and one thing only: football.
Schools like Notre Dame and Michigan are basically in the same position that the Ivy League schools were in decades ago when they decided to essentially retreat from the major college football game. You can certainly get success while trying to create "Michigan men", but you won't beat teams like Florida or Oklahoma or LSU on a regular basis. These schools are powered on extremely gifted athletes who are probably working on a 5th grade reading level because they've been whisked through life on the basis of superior athletic ability. Unless there's a fundamental shift in how schools like Notre Dame and Michigan view their football programs in relation to the school itself and the culture they wish to create I genuinely don't see how you're going to win long term against schools that have essentially no restrictions in the type of person they can bring into their university to insure dominance on the football field.
I should also add that a systemic malfeasance is also present at the powerhouse schools today. Paying of players through back-channel means, getting answer keys for tests, going over NCAA regulations on practice et cetera. At West Virginia it was understood if you played for Rich Rodriguez that you spent more time practicing than you were allowed to by the NCAA. However, it was never really caught because the players just "self-organized" practice without any of the coaches involvement, and the NCAA can't regulate what a group of young men decide to do on their "own free time." At Michigan someone spoke out about it and now there's a full blown investigation going on. But the truth of the matter is, if your program isn't doing this stuff and isn't willing to do this stuff, you can't compete with the programs that do.
I've seen every indication that as much of a religious front Tressel puts on he's exactly the type of coach that is doing this stuff. Tressel was probably even involved in getting Clarett paid but somehow came out of that whole thing squeaky clean.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 21, 2009, 08:56:09 PM
1. Rich Rodriguez only knows one way to coach football. Michigan has enough talent "baseline" that there is genuinely a good chance that someone like me or you could have gone in, kept all of Lloyd Carr's assistants and simply said "let's run our base playbook guys." We wouldn't come close to a BCS bid or anything, but we'd win 8-9 games. Just because Michigan had so much more talent when Carr left that they shouldn't be losing to teams like Michigan State etc. Because Rich Rodriguez only knows one way to coach football, he doesn't have the ability to go in and slowly integrate the team into his system. Instead he has to totally destroy every bit of what there was, and rebuild it from the ground up. Carr was well past his prime, and needed to go, but he didn't leave the cupboard bare by any means, and personnel like Mallet et cetera were more than capable football players. Rodriguez ran off anyone who didn't fit within his system and since everyone was totally new to it, they were guaranteed to execute poorly for several seasons.
I don't entirely agree with the rest of your post, but I think that this part is spot-on. In fairness to Rodriguez, though, most coaches are like this--they will try to find players that fit their system, rather than changing their system to fit the players that they have available.
Maybe Michigan will hire Greg Davis and Major Applewhite can finally be the OC at Texas! :w00t:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 21, 2009, 08:56:09 PM
2. Rich Rodriguez doesn't understand Michigan. The average Michigan fan has an ego the size of a swimming pool, they are one of the few schools out there with as much ego as Ivy Leaguers, Michigan genuinely believes it is simply better than everyone else in the Big 10. Not in terms of football, not even exclusively in terms of academics, but more they intrinsically believe they are superior human beings to the likes of people who went to Minnesota, Wisconsin et cetera. (Incidentally this is why I love seeing Michigan do so poorly.) Because Rich Rodriguez doesn't understand Michigan he doesn't understand he can't go in and rebuild from the ground up because the Michigan ego can't tolerate several losing seasons, which is what it would take for Rodriguez system to truly work at its peak performance.
:lol: Awesome.
Where did Otto go to school?
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2009, 06:27:44 PM
Well, the Timmay taint strikes again. Ever since the 2005-06 Fiesta bowl, when timmay uttered the fateful words "THE IRISH WILL CRUSH THE BUCKEYES", the Irish have been doomed.
Place the blame where it belongs.
:cry:
Holy crap.
There isn't any doubt that Arizona outplayed the Ducks tonight; I was shocked that it was a one score game late. The Ducks were able to pull out a conference road game where they were very clearly outplayed. And all without LaGarrette Blount. :P
Quote from: sbr on November 22, 2009, 02:01:47 AM
Holy crap.
There isn't any doubt that Arizona outplayed the Ducks tonight; I was shocked that it was a one score game late. The Ducks were able to pull out a conference road game where they were very clearly outplayed. And all without LaGarrette Blount. :P
I can't take any more of this. The Cats are simply cursed.
Big 12 South Champions! Finally. Freaking division is impossible to win for Texas unless they go unbeaten. Even this year with the conference sucking the 2nd place team still only has one loss.
Quote from: Berkut on November 22, 2009, 02:07:15 AM
Quote from: sbr on November 22, 2009, 02:01:47 AM
Holy crap.
There isn't any doubt that Arizona outplayed the Ducks tonight; I was shocked that it was a one score game late. The Ducks were able to pull out a conference road game where they were very clearly outplayed. And all without LaGarrette Blount. :P
I can't take any more of this. The Cats are simply cursed.
I haven't payed enough attention to the Wildcats to confirm a curse, but tonight had to be tough to take. I was hoping to come home and talk shit about the Ducks win but I almost feel guilty about it the Ducks played so poorly.
I thought so. :lol:
Quote from: Berkut on November 22, 2009, 02:07:15 AM
Quote from: sbr on November 22, 2009, 02:01:47 AM
Holy crap.
There isn't any doubt that Arizona outplayed the Ducks tonight; I was shocked that it was a one score game late. The Ducks were able to pull out a conference road game where they were very clearly outplayed. And all without LaGarrette Blount. :P
I can't take any more of this. The Cats are simply cursed.
They never should've came out with those blue helmets and red unitards.
Hell of a game, though.
Valmy, I say this with all due respect (meaning very little as it is conference football), but TCU is the best team Wyoming played this year.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 22, 2009, 12:34:12 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2009, 06:27:44 PM
Well, the Timmay taint strikes again. Ever since the 2005-06 Fiesta bowl, when timmay uttered the fateful words "THE IRISH WILL CRUSH THE BUCKEYES", the Irish have been doomed.
Place the blame where it belongs.
:cry:
You have only yourself to blame.
SUCK IT, LSU!
Quote from: Scipio on November 22, 2009, 09:59:24 AM
SUCK IT, LSU!
That was some of the worst clock management I've ever seen, maybe the very worst.
Quote from: dps on November 22, 2009, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: Scipio on November 22, 2009, 09:59:24 AM
SUCK IT, LSU!
That was some of the worst clock management I've ever seen, maybe the very worst.
I can't remember the last time there was a bigger fuck up at the end of the game.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2009, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: dps on November 22, 2009, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: Scipio on November 22, 2009, 09:59:24 AM
SUCK IT, LSU!
That was some of the worst clock management I've ever seen, maybe the very worst.
I can't remember the last time there was a bigger fuck up at the end of the game.
I seem to recall an NFL game once when Doug Williams spiked the ball to kill the clock. On 4th down. But that's not bad clock management so much as an inability to count to 4.
Not only does Arizona lose a game they should have won (again), but some dickless fans
1) Rush the field before we have won
2) Chant "over-rated" at a team that went on to beat us, and
3) Threw shit on the field, hitting a OU cheerleader in the head and sending her to the hospital
All on national television. Fucking disgusting.
Ouch. Talk about tempting the football gods.
Quote from: PDH on November 22, 2009, 08:44:25 AM
Valmy, I say this with all due respect (meaning very little as it is conference football), but TCU is the best team Wyoming played this year.
I have nothing to say to this. Thanks to the BCS there is no discussion to have about Texas-TCU. I don't really see the point of trash talking and debating about a game that will likely never happen.
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2009, 09:17:15 PM
I don't entirely agree with the rest of your post, but I think that this part is spot-on. In fairness to Rodriguez, though, most coaches are like this--they will try to find players that fit their system, rather than changing their system to fit the players that they have available.
I totally agree, but I think a smart coach that wants to keep their job would hire an o-coordinator to run a "transitional" offense and keep the original d-coordinator, that way you can slowly work your kind of players in but maintain the success of the outgoing coach--and your position. Rodriguez wouldn't be popular if he had gone 9-4 his first two seasons but he wouldn't be a candidate for firing, either.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 22, 2009, 03:15:10 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 22, 2009, 12:04:55 AM
Where did Otto go to school?
He's a Black Knight.
Of the three federal academies still playing FBS my Black Knights are the ones who probably most need to transition to IAA. Navy and Air Force have proven over the past 20+ years you can attain a certain level of success as an academy in FBS; sure you won't be competitive in a major conference but with 119 teams in FBS there is room for success outside of the top-25 level of play. We've just had a long string of unimaginably bad coaches and the program is probably stuck in a permanent rut now...
Quote from: Berkut on November 22, 2009, 01:56:53 PM
Not only does Arizona lose a game they should have won (again), but some dickless fans
1) Rush the field before we have won
2) Chant "over-rated" at a team that went on to beat us, and
3) Threw shit on the field, hitting a OU cheerleader in the head and sending her to the hospital
All on national television. Fucking disgusting.
I hadn't heard about the second two before now, unfortunately the bar we went to watch the game had an MMA fight so we lost the volume on the game at halftime. :angry:
We were laughing at them rushing the field before the game was over though. Don't blame the fans, they just aren't used to that kind of stage, don't know how to react yet. ;)
Quote from: dps on November 22, 2009, 12:59:09 PM
I seem to recall an NFL game once when Doug Williams spiked the ball to kill the clock. On 4th down. But that's not bad clock management so much as an inability to count to 4.
I dunno, I'll see your Doug Williams and raise you 2 Vinny Testaverdes running out of bounds behind scrimmage on 4th down, and throwing it away on 4th down.
Nobody did dumb like Vincenzo.
Quote from: Berkut on November 22, 2009, 01:56:53 PM
Not only does Arizona lose a game they should have won (again), but some dickless fans
1) Rush the field before we have won
2) Chant "over-rated" at a team that went on to beat us, and
3) Threw shit on the field, hitting a OU cheerleader in the head and sending her to the hospital
All on national television. Fucking disgusting.
You'd never see that in the SEC. Yet another example of PAC10 fail.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2009, 04:27:54 PM
You'd never see that in the SEC. Yet another example of PAC10 fail.
No crap. At LSU they get all that done before the game even starts.
Quote from: Valmy on November 22, 2009, 04:30:45 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2009, 04:27:54 PM
You'd never see that in the SEC. Yet another example of PAC10 fail.
No crap. At LSU they get all that done before the game even starts.
:lol: You know it. Corso's bus is tagged before College Gameday.
How bad is Wazzu?
The Huskies are starting out as 26 point favorites, that's the 3-7 haven't beat anybody since Arizona* Huskies :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2009, 04:27:54 PM
You'd never see that in the SEC. Yet another example of PAC10 fail.
Sadly, not always true. See the Bluegrass miracle- Kentucky vs. LSU 2002.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c1ANN6EVyU&feature=fvw
Quote from: stjaba on November 22, 2009, 07:16:14 PM
Sadly, not always true. See the Bluegrass miracle- Kentucky vs. LSU 2002.
I remember that. However, no Oregon cheerleaders were injured that day.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2009, 11:21:53 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 21, 2009, 08:56:09 PM
2. Rich Rodriguez doesn't understand Michigan. The average Michigan fan has an ego the size of a swimming pool, they are one of the few schools out there with as much ego as Ivy Leaguers, Michigan genuinely believes it is simply better than everyone else in the Big 10. Not in terms of football, not even exclusively in terms of academics, but more they intrinsically believe they are superior human beings to the likes of people who went to Minnesota, Wisconsin et cetera. (Incidentally this is why I love seeing Michigan do so poorly.) Because Rich Rodriguez doesn't understand Michigan he doesn't understand he can't go in and rebuild from the ground up because the Michigan ego can't tolerate several losing seasons, which is what it would take for Rodriguez system to truly work at its peak performance.
:lol: Awesome.
Yes, indeed. It is always amusing to see the inevitable epic FAIL when the little people think they are capable of understanding Michigan. ;)
Awesome, there are now reports that after the game several (20) Oregon players were taunting the crowd, flipping people off, generally acting like thugs. Andthis went on for 10-20 minutes before anyone from Oregon told them to leave.
Sounds like Chip has no control over the bunch of upstanding citizens he has recruited.
Quote from: Berkut on November 23, 2009, 01:25:07 AM
Awesome, there are now reports that after the game several (20) Oregon players were taunting the crowd, flipping people off, generally acting like thugs. Andthis went on for 10-20 minutes before anyone from Oregon told them to leave.
Sounds like Chip has no control over the bunch of upstanding citizens he has recruited.
Racist; that's just their culture.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 22, 2009, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2009, 09:17:15 PM
I don't entirely agree with the rest of your post, but I think that this part is spot-on. In fairness to Rodriguez, though, most coaches are like this--they will try to find players that fit their system, rather than changing their system to fit the players that they have available.
I totally agree, but I think a smart coach that wants to keep their job would hire an o-coordinator to run a "transitional" offense and keep the original d-coordinator, that way you can slowly work your kind of players in but maintain the success of the outgoing coach--and your position. Rodriguez wouldn't be popular if he had gone 9-4 his first two seasons but he wouldn't be a candidate for firing, either.
Yeah, but I can't think of many coaches that would do that.
Again, in fairness to Rodriguez, it's an unusual situation. Usually, when a new coach is hired, either he's taking over a losing team, or he was on the staff or otherwise a protege of the retiring coach. OTOH, it wasn't all that different from when he was first hired at WVU, but expectations there aren't quite as high as at Michigan.
QuoteOf the three federal academies still playing FBS my Black Knights are the ones who probably most need to transition to IAA. Navy and Air Force have proven over the past 20+ years you can attain a certain level of success as an academy in FBS; sure you won't be competitive in a major conference but with 119 teams in FBS there is room for success outside of the top-25 level of play. We've just had a long string of unimaginably bad coaches and the program is probably stuck in a permanent rut now...
Actually, they may finally be headed in the right direction. They can actually become bowl eligible if they beat Navy (whicht they almost certainly won't). And as bad as they were in the last few years, I'm not sure that they would have been competitive in 1-AA.
Quote from: dps on November 23, 2009, 03:15:04 AM
Again, in fairness to Rodriguez, it's an unusual situation. Usually, when a new coach is hired, either he's taking over a losing team, or he was on the staff or otherwise a protege of the retiring coach. OTOH, it wasn't all that different from when he was first hired at WVU, but expectations there aren't quite as high as at Michigan.
I don't think that this is as unusual as you might think. Urban Meyer took over a Florida team that looked a lot like the late Carr teams, and went 9-3 his first year and 13-1 his second. He came into neither a losing team nor from the system. Ditto Les Miles (came in to an LSU team that had been 9-3 the previous year).
My problem with RichRod isn't that he doesn't win enough. I would be willing to give him an extra year if it was just a matter of bad luck. My problem is that he is a bad coach. His players don't get better (Denard Robinson was just as bad a passer at the end of the season as at the beginning; Michigan's offensive line showed no improvement at all). His game plans always fall apart at halftime. It may be that the coaching is just better in the Big Ten than the Big east, but I doubt it. I understand that he can only coach a certain type of team (but is hard to beat with that team) and is helpless against any big-conference team when he doesn't have the exact players he wants on the field, but such a situation is only an injury away in football.
So, I am resigned to another losing/nearly losing season next year, another loss to OSU, and the drama of a new coach search. At least Bill Martin cannot fuck that up, as he is gone in a year.
Quote from: grumbler on November 23, 2009, 07:57:45 AM
I don't think that this is as unusual as you might think. Urban Meyer took over a Florida team that looked a lot like the late Carr teams, and went 9-3 his first year and 13-1 his second. He came into neither a losing team nor from the system. Ditto Les Miles (came in to an LSU team that had been 9-3 the previous year).
Both those programs are in a different class than Michigan's though.
Quote from: grumbler on November 23, 2009, 07:57:45 AM
Quote from: dps on November 23, 2009, 03:15:04 AM
Again, in fairness to Rodriguez, it's an unusual situation. Usually, when a new coach is hired, either he's taking over a losing team, or he was on the staff or otherwise a protege of the retiring coach. OTOH, it wasn't all that different from when he was first hired at WVU, but expectations there aren't quite as high as at Michigan.
I don't think that this is as unusual as you might think. Urban Meyer took over a Florida team that looked a lot like the late Carr teams, and went 9-3 his first year and 13-1 his second. He came into neither a losing team nor from the system. Ditto Les Miles (came in to an LSU team that had been 9-3 the previous year).
My problem with RichRod isn't that he doesn't win enough. I would be willing to give him an extra year if it was just a matter of bad luck. My problem is that he is a bad coach. His players don't get better (Denard Robinson was just as bad a passer at the end of the season as at the beginning; Michigan's offensive line showed no improvement at all). His game plans always fall apart at halftime. It may be that the coaching is just better in the Big Ten than the Big east, but I doubt it. I understand that he can only coach a certain type of team (but is hard to beat with that team) and is helpless against any big-conference team when he doesn't have the exact players he wants on the field, but such a situation is only an injury away in football.
So, I am resigned to another losing/nearly losing season next year, another loss to OSU, and the drama of a new coach search. At least Bill Martin cannot fuck that up, as he is gone in a year.
After his tenure at WVU, and especially his loss to a Pitt team with a losing record right before going to Michigan I came to the conclusion that Rich Rodriguez isn't a traditional "coach" at all. Coaches take the sum of all their players and give a product greater than that sum back. Rodriguez doesn't do that, he's more of a "systems integration" guy. The only way Rodriguez can do traditional coach things, like develop talent, is through his assistants. Comparatively, Steve Spurrier was known for being able to take almost any kid who knew how to hurl a football in the right direction into a quality quarterback. Coaches also have to make adjustments on game day, Rodriguez has never been observed to make adjustments on game day. This is again because he's a "systems builder", he can set his system up and hit play, but he can't do on the fly editing.
For example when he attempted to run the ball up the middle every single down against Pitt, and when it became very obvious Pitt was stopping that play, his response was to keep doing it over and over again until the game was over. Result: huge upset win for Pitt, WVU gets knocked out of what most people felt was a lock on the national championship game.
Some people I know in real life have been saying the spread just "doesn't work" and that more traditional West Coast style offense is the way to go. This is asinine, Urban Meyer won two national championships in the blink of the eye and he runs a spread offense. Many teams in the Big 10 already run the spread, many teams across the country win every year with the spread. Realistically what type of offense you run is meaningless, when it comes to football a few things will always be true:
1. If you win the battle at the line of scrimmage most of the time, you'll win games, most of the time.
2. If you play good defense most of the time, you'll win games, most of the time.
I don't want to say the skill positions aren't important, they're exceptionally important but they're only one aspect of football. The fastest running back or the most skilled quarterback needs room/time to make plays. You can't do that with a poor offensive line. While coach at West Virginia Rich Rodriguez totally neglected the offensive line. He totally neglected the defense. Rodriguez
barely recruited for defense. In fact most safeties and cornerbacks under Rodriguez were recruited as running backs and wide receivers, and then the ones who weren't good enough to make it on offense, Rodriguez put on defense, with the understanding that fast athletes are good "anywhere."
The spread is supposed to mitigate the importance of the offensive line, but that just means you can afford to de-emphasize line play
a bit, you can't ignore it. That ties in with the final problem of Rodriguez, he's an asshole on a personal level and people can't get along with him. He had one of the best O-line coaches in the country and essentially ran him out of Morgantown. He now coaches at Florida State; the great thing about him was he could take the mediocre O-line Rodriguez recruited and always had them in top 20 condition. A big part of the reason Rodriguez lost the Pitt game is the line play was so bad that Pitt was in the West Virginia backfield a split second after the snap. No amount of athleticism or speed, and no offensive scheme can counteract the effects of actually having such a porous O-line that defensive backs and linemen are on top of your quarterback or running back roughly as the snap leaves the center's hands.
Something else I should also add is that it is arguable that Rodriguez didn't realistically improve West Virginia as much as people might think.
When Don Nehlen took over at West Virginia they played in a stadium that seated 35,000. The astroturf actually slid around under the player's feet and in some places it was totally ripped off. The workout room was just an area under a metal foot bridge and rumors have it that it had a dirt floor.
West Virginia had not entered the modern era of college football, training and conditioning were not given significant attention. When Nehlen took over he instantly demanded new facilities and he actually instituted a modern weight training and conditioning program. Within an 8 year span Nehlen brought West Virginia more success than they had ever seen before. He played Notre Dame in a national championship game and he won year in year out against a higher caliber of opponent than Rodriguez. Additionally, Nehlen played in an era when there was less parity in college football. While the old age of no scholarship limits had passed, it as still an age when powerhouse football programs had money to actually invest in national-level recruiting and travel expenses associated with national-level recruiting.
College football now has revenue sharing and other features that gives it much more parity, schools like Louisville, Cincinnati et cetera have actually been able to compete with some of the most storied programs in the country because they have the money to play ball now. Not as much money as a Notre Dame, an Ohio State, or a Michigan, but enough to play ball.
By the time Rodriguez took over, Nehlen sort of mirrored Lloyd Carr at Michigan in that he was an old man who didn't seem to have the energy and dedication he once did. Rodriguez proceeded to deliver some very mediocre results.
Rodriguez first season was a disaster. His second season was arguably one of the best in the Rodriguez era, he went 9-4 against stiff competition. However he was badly embarrassed in the Continental Tire Bowl against a mediocre Virginia team.
In 2003 Rodriguez started off the season 1-3, then upset #3 Virginia Tech and went on to win every game for the rest of the regular season. However one of Rodriguez losses during the regular season was a drubbing to Maryland in which his team gave up more than 30 points. Maryland's quarterback? A kid from West Virginia recruited by Don Nehlen that Rodriguez drove off the team. In a rare move the Toyota Gator Bowl invited West Virginia to play Maryland for a rematch. Maryland beat then 41-7.
In 2004 West Virginia got its first true national attention under Rodriguez. Rodriguez response was not pretty. He lost in Blacksburg against a mediocre Virginia Tech (unranked at the time) in large part because his vaunted offense completely fell apart, scoring only 16 points.
In 2004 Rodriguez lost his last 3 games of the season and the Big East sent Pittsburgh to the BCS game where they were annihilated by Urban Meyer's Utha.
So after Rodriguez's first four years as a coach he was 28-21. Note that when the Big East got weaker starting in 2004 there was no noticeable improvement in Rodriguez's record. He was 8-5 the last year of the original Big East and 8-4 the first year of the new Big East.
Alright, so up to 2004 Rodriguez is a mediocre coach, no better, no worse.
2005-2007 Rodriguez went 32-5. He's now an awesome coach, right? Well, maybe. A few things played right into Rodriguez's hands:
-During this time Rodriguez played no serious OOC teams.
-During this time teams that eventually became pretty good in the Big East: South Florida, Cincinnati, weren't really the teams they are today.
-Pat White and Steve Slaton
Pat White and Slaton were two of the most explosive players in college football; and Rodriguez deserves major props for recruiting White as a quarterback. Both are on NFL rosters today.
Finally, the Big East was very weak during this time. Louisville was good and South Florida was decent and that was about it. The rest of the conference was very mediocre. Against Louisville and South Florida those years Rodriguez gave up 3 of his 5 losses during this time span (so 3 of the good teams he played, he lost to--many of those 32 wins came against teams with losing records.) He also lost against the last really good OOC team he played: Virginia Tech in 2005 (the last year of the rivalry). His fifth loss came to a Pitt team that was so bad many people were calling for the firing of their HC that season.
He had some good wins during this time, to Louisville in OT (although he was helped by a blown call by referees who didn't understand the NCAA onside kick rule), to Georgia Tech and obviously to Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. But Rodriguez success doesn't seem that much different from Nehlen in 88. The success of a decent coach who got lucky because of a very talented, exceptional player. Additionally there is evidence that if you take out the "peaks" Nehlen is probably a more consistent coach than Rodriguez over the long term.
Those are all good points, but Arizona is still cursed.
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Yeah, I agree that Rodriguez is a terrible in-game coach. I remember one game, not sure the year or opponent, that I listened to most of the game on the car radio. WVU was down by about 17 points or so with about 10 minutes left in the 4th. They basically ran 3 straight-ahead running plays and then punted. The defense forced the other team to go 3-and-out , so they got the ball back with like 8 minutes still on the clock. Three more straight-ahead running plays, and another punt. They again got the ball back about 2 minutes later, and again called 3 running plays and then punted. I was sitting in the car thinking, "OK, so when is the offensive genius stuff gonna start, Rich?". I can see trying to run on that first possession--there was still plenty of time left--but after that time was definately against them. Plus, I think that a couple of those 3rd down plays were 3rd-and-long, and he still didn't call any passes.
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Aw, that's not really true. Not just anybody could do it--it takes a skilled AD to line up all those cupcakes.
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Nice. :lol:
Did the fans throw anything at Corso and Herbstreet?
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Nice. :lol:
Did the fans throw anything at Corso and Herbstreet?
Probably. What a bunch of douchebags. And you know it is all the "fans" who show up for a game like this who probably don't even know the starting QBs name who pull crpa like that. A bunch fo drunk assholes.
At least our players don't act like gang bangers though, so that is something. Apparently Masoli has quite the repertoire of gang-banger signs he likes to share before the game. Thug U indeed.
edit: At least not since Clarence Farmer left. The only thing positive that Mackovich ever did.
Quote from: grumbler on November 23, 2009, 07:57:45 AM
My problem with RichRod isn't that he doesn't win enough.
Well, yeah.
Best gameday signs this year was the Air Force Academy ones.
ME LIKE PLANES and I LOVE JETS cracked me up. :blush:
Quote from: dps on November 23, 2009, 11:13:49 AM
Yeah, I agree that Rodriguez is a terrible in-game coach. I remember one game, not sure the year or opponent, that I listened to most of the game on the car radio. WVU was down by about 17 points or so with about 10 minutes left in the 4th. They basically ran 3 straight-ahead running plays and then punted. The defense forced the other team to go 3-and-out , so they got the ball back with like 8 minutes still on the clock. Three more straight-ahead running plays, and another punt. They again got the ball back about 2 minutes later, and again called 3 running plays and then punted. I was sitting in the car thinking, "OK, so when is the offensive genius stuff gonna start, Rich?". I can see trying to run on that first possession--there was still plenty of time left--but after that time was definately against them. Plus, I think that a couple of those 3rd down plays were 3rd-and-long, and he still didn't call any passes.
He has just the opposite problem with Denard Robinson. I am honestly not sure if he had more picks than completions this year or not, but it is close. He was a throwing QB in high school, but hasn't made the transition to the college game, so RichRod puts him in the game when he needs to either run or give up an interception. Why Robinson doesn't occasionally play other skill positions where his inability to read defenses is less critical I don't know. Maybe RichRod doesn't want him hurt, for fear that some time RichRod will want to throw an interception and can't because Robinson isn't available.
The big problem, of course, is that Robinson was making the same mistakes against OSU as he made against Western Michigan. Loeffler isn't the Michigan QB coach any more, so this has to be on Roderiguez's head.
Quo Vadis, Weis?
If ND dumps him--and they should--they'll still be in the hole for 13-16m--which they never should've given him in the first fucking place.
There's been chatter about Urban Meyer moving away from Florida post-Tebow, but I'm not sure I see it.
As interesting ND would be for him (Pope Urban just sings), so would Michigan, I think (although I think getting Bill Cowher out of the pre-game shows would be a heavier trick than, say, another pro team).
But I don't believe anybody who's coached at Florida for a while would want to go to either of those schools, especially what with the snow and all. There's a reason Steve Spurrier's never gone above the Mason-Dixon Line.
Oh all those Nike uniforms are shown now:
http://www.nike.com/nikeos/p/usnikefootball/en_US/rivalries09
Valmy, Texas is on there. No, it's not too bad (they haven't already worn these without me noticing, did they??). This is also apparently where the bizarre OU white helmet things came from.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 24, 2009, 12:46:37 AM
Valmy, Texas is on there. No, it's not too bad (they haven't already worn these without me noticing, did they??). This is also apparently where the bizarre OU white helmet things came from.
Yeah they have worn them before. They look exactly like their normal uniforms...except for the number on the helmet thing. I would say we lucked out compared to the other teams.
I can't watch the Iron Bowl from my house! :(
I'll have to settle on the sports bar in a cruise ship on the way to Cozumel. :)
Why watch the war eagles get pasted at all then?
Quote from: katmai on November 24, 2009, 08:45:23 PM
Why watch the war eagles get pasted at all then?
War Eagle in the upset today.
Or at least I hope so. I've got 50 bucks on it.
What odds did you get?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 27, 2009, 10:08:34 AM
What odds did you get?
Simple win/loss bet. I never bet on point spreads with friends.
Wyoming Cowboys vs the Colorado State Sheepfuckers today in the 100th meeting of the two schools in the battle for the Bronze Boot. Wyoming seeks that elusive 6th win so that they can be snubbed for a bowl, the CSU seeks their first win in conference.
I sense a hard fought, yet inept, game.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 27, 2009, 10:10:11 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 27, 2009, 10:08:34 AM
What odds did you get?
Simple win/loss bet. I never bet on point spreads with friends.
That's very generous of you.
Auburn looking good so far. They're on the 'Bama 1 yard line, already up 7-0 in the 1st quarter.
Best case scenario. Auburn beats bama
bama beats florida
Nebraska upsets Texas
so we get tcu vs cincy for title.
Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2009, 03:47:16 PM
Best case scenario. Auburn beats bama
bama beats florida
Nebraska upsets Texas
so we get tcu vs cincy for title.
That would be hilarious. And also the least-watched championship game in history :D
Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2009, 03:47:16 PM
Best case scenario. Auburn beats bama
bama beats florida
Nebraska upsets Texas
so we get tcu vs cincy for title.
That would be the worst case scenario for Fox.
And besides, there's a chance a 1 loss Texas or Bama(or Florida, for that matter, assuming it loses to FSU but beats Bama) would remain in the top 2 over Cincy and TCU.
I'm happy as long as Boise State is left out in the cold.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 27, 2009, 04:52:05 PM
I'm happy as long as Boise State is left out in the cold.
Here's hoping Nevada pulls a miracle out of their ass/gets lucky with that offense of theirs tonight.
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Quote from: katmai on November 24, 2009, 08:45:23 PM
Why watch the war eagles get pasted at all then?
War Eagle in the upset today.
Or at least I hope so. I've got 50 bucks on it.
FUCKING SABAN.
You should have taken the points.
Wyoming, picked to finish 9th in the conference, ends up 6-6 after beating CSU 17-16 (game was actually better than that score...) and finishes the season in 5th place.
I am glad that Wyo took Christensen from Missouri, a nice hire (sure he will be gone in 2 years, but still).
Where would Wyoming go? The fabled...New Mexico Bowl most likely!
Oh, and in support of my beloved Wyoming Cowboys:
Eat shit and live to tell about it, Rammies!
(in a rivalry, I believe in kicking the other when he is down)
Congrats to Wyoming at becoming Bowl Eligible!
One more game to 13-0...I can almost taste it....
Quote from: PDH on November 27, 2009, 06:15:50 PM
Wyoming, picked to finish 9th in the conference, ends up 6-6 after beating CSU 17-16 (game was actually better than that score...) and finishes the season in 5th place.
I am glad that Wyo took Christensen from Missouri, a nice hire (sure he will be gone in 2 years, but still).
Where would Wyoming go? The fabled...New Mexico Bowl most likely!
Congrats.
As a developing program the best things about making a bowl game is the extra 4-6 weeks of practice you get. The money is nice but it is usually split among conference members; the prestige is nice but will disappear with a bad season next year; the recruiting advantages are minimal. With all of the limits on practice time getting the kids an extra month or more on the practice field is a huge advantage in college football.
Quote from: sbr on November 27, 2009, 08:43:33 PM
As a developing program the best things about making a bowl game is the extra 4-6 weeks of practice you get. The money is nice but it is usually split among conference members; the prestige is nice but will disappear with a bad season next year; the recruiting advantages are minimal. With all of the limits on practice time getting the kids an extra month or more on the practice field is a huge advantage in college football.
The money is peanuts. The share Wyoming gets from TCU going to a BCS is way more. Just playing a bowl game helps nab those oh so tantalizing recruits away from Louisiana Tech and other fabled programs. The big plus the practice time - good news for a team that started a gaggle of true freshmen.
Okay, credit where it's due. Stewart coached a decent 2nd half & WVU wins the Backyard Brawl.
Sorry, Wannstash :)
I hate the blue turf. Fuck Boise State.
Edit: :) That was a good game, Spiess. I was hoping the kid would drill that FG, although I'm not sure why. No problems with Pitt or anything. Must be the whole "upset" thing.
Pathetic to see people pinning their hopes on Nevada. :lol:
Why do some of the Nevada helmets have stripes while others don't? :huh:
Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2009, 03:47:16 PM
Best case scenario. Auburn beats bama
bama beats florida
Nebraska upsets Texas
so we get tcu vs cincy for title.
Well, now you're have to hope that Florida State beats Florida and then Alabama beats Florida instead.
To be honest, while I wouldn't mind seeing TCU-Cincy, the game I'd really like to see is TCU-Florida; I think they're the 2 best teams.
The thing about TCU is that they really don't lose much talent this year. Next year they are loaded with seniors...they could well play for a BCS title next year even if they "only" finish 3rd in the final poll.
It is like the franchise building in the NCAA games...they will get another star now.
I don't know if it was just me, but the Clemson-SC game put me to sleep. I expected better.
The UF-FSU game just started. Can't say that I'm that worried... but there's been some pretty big upsets in the past 20 years in the UF-FSU rivalry game, especially ones with national title implications, like this one. Still, I'm confident the Gators going to win- though not anywhere close to the 24 point spread.
Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2009, 03:54:08 PM
The UF-FSU game just started. Can't say that I'm that worried... but there's been some pretty big upsets in the past 20 years in the UF-FSU rivalry game, especially ones with national title implications, like this one. Still, I'm confident the Gators going to win- though not anywhere close to the 24 point spread.
Meh. Who cares. I'm still watching the Terps. :P
Edit: Oh yeah, you're a UF fan. I forgetted. :D
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Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2009, 03:54:08 PM
The UF-FSU game just started. Can't say that I'm that worried... but there's been some pretty big upsets in the past 20 years in the UF-FSU rivalry game, especially ones with national title implications, like this one. Still, I'm confident the Gators going to win- though not anywhere close to the 24 point spread.
Meh. Who cares. I'm still watching the Terps. :P
I bet fans of Cincy and TCU, all 5 of them, are pulling for an FSU upset.
What is up with the Florida unis jaba?
Quote from: katmai on November 28, 2009, 04:45:02 PM
What is up with the Florida unis jaba?
It's the Nike Pro Combat- it some sort of advanced uniform- lightweight, less water absorbant, something like that. I'm fairly confident we're going back to the regular unis next game.
Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2009, 03:54:08 PM
Still, I'm confident the Gators going to win- though not anywhere close to the 24 point spread.
24-0 right now. :lol:
Christ, today has sucked for competitive games. Fuck this shit. Rivalry week my ass.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2009, 05:09:04 PM
Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2009, 03:54:08 PM
Still, I'm confident the Gators going to win- though not anywhere close to the 24 point spread.
24-0 right now. :lol:
:lol:
I know. Stupid to doubt Tebow.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 28, 2009, 05:10:34 PM
Christ, today has sucked for competitive games. Fuck this shit. Rivalry week my ass.
Wyoming won 101st The Border War 17-16 :)
(edit - not the stupid Kansas-Missouri one, the REAL one)
Too bad Tebow didn't do Leviticus on his bible thingy he does. That would have been fun.
The CBS broadcast is such a Tebow love-fest. I can see why other schools hate him so much. Before this season, I went to pretty much all the games, so I rarely was exposed to the tv broadcasts, but now I know.
Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2009, 06:30:35 PM
The CBS broadcast is such a Tebow love-fest. I can see why other schools hate him so much. Before this season, I went to pretty much all the games, so I rarely was exposed to the tv broadcasts, but now I know.
I don't hate Tebow but man...I am just glad I am not a Florida fan because that would be embarrasing.
And tebow just ascended to heaven.
Ambulance brought onto the field for one of the sideline officiating crew who wasn't able to get out of way of players during 2nd qtr of apple cup.
Is a football ever referred to as a "rock" or is this local reporter just too used to covering basketball?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2009, 08:11:19 PM
Is a football ever referred to as a "rock" or is this local reporter just too used to covering basketball?
I've definitely heard that plenty of times.
Down goes Nesbitt. That may have been the game.
Quote from: stjaba on November 28, 2009, 08:21:50 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2009, 08:11:19 PM
Is a football ever referred to as a "rock" or is this local reporter just too used to covering basketball?
I've definitely heard that plenty of times.
Only sports where an actual rock is used should be allowed to refer to a "rock". :angry:
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:w00t:
Curling ain't no sport.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 28, 2009, 06:45:17 PM
And tebow just ascended to heaven.
Oh, no. Not yet. First, he must slay SABAN himself.
The Notre Dame-Stanford game made up for the lackluster games earlier in the day.
Too bad about Tim's taint though. He'll make a map where they go undefeated.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 29, 2009, 09:44:43 AM
Too bad about Tim's taint though. He'll make a map where they go undefeated.
Charlie's map has done enough damage.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 29, 2009, 02:36:21 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 28, 2009, 06:45:17 PM
And tebow just ascended to heaven.
Oh, no. Not yet. First, he must slay SABAN himself.
After all that fawning over Tebow in the last game I'm almost hoping the Tide wins.
Quote from: katmai on November 28, 2009, 11:40:19 PM
Curling ain't no sport.
You try throwing 40lb hunks of granite around and then tell me it's not a sport. :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on November 29, 2009, 04:02:53 PM
You try throwing 40lb hunks of granite around and then tell me it's not a sport. :contract:
I do wish they would actually heave the rocks around at/to each other or something, as opposed to just sliding them down the ice. The downside (or not?) is the injuries would be pretty horrifically brutal.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 29, 2009, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 29, 2009, 04:02:53 PM
You try throwing 40lb hunks of granite around and then tell me it's not a sport. :contract:
I do wish they would actually heave the rocks around at/to each other or something, as opposed to just sliding them down the ice. The downside (or not?) is the injuries would be pretty horrifically brutal.
Since people are standing on ice with a layer of teflon underneath one shoe slips and injuries certainly can and do happen in curling, and there is the potential to get a significant head injury if you fall wrong.
Nobody likes your ghey sports.
Goddamn canadians.
Basketball is alright.
Oh wait, that guy immigrated here didn't he.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 29, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 29, 2009, 02:36:21 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 28, 2009, 06:45:17 PM
And tebow just ascended to heaven.
Oh, no. Not yet. First, he must slay SABAN himself.
After all that fawning over Tebow in the last game I'm almost hoping the Tide wins.
He's a once-in-a-lifetime player. It'll die down next year. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 29, 2009, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 29, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 29, 2009, 02:36:21 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 28, 2009, 06:45:17 PM
And tebow just ascended to heaven.
Oh, no. Not yet. First, he must slay SABAN himself.
After all that fawning over Tebow in the last game I'm almost hoping the Tide wins.
He's a once-in-a-lifetime player. It'll die down next year. :P
He can't be - Bernie Kosar was the 'once in a lifetime' player, and you're still alive. :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on November 29, 2009, 05:48:00 PM
, and you're still alive. :contract:
That's a debateable point.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 29, 2009, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 29, 2009, 04:02:53 PM
You try throwing 40lb hunks of granite around and then tell me it's not a sport. :contract:
I do wish they would actually heave the rocks around at/to each other or something, as opposed to just sliding them down the ice. The downside (or not?) is the injuries would be pretty horrifically brutal.
That's a downside. Only faggots like seeing people getting crippled. They watch UFC and other MMA events.
Quote from: Neil on November 29, 2009, 09:09:41 PM
That's a downside. Only faggots like seeing people getting crippled. They watch UFC and other MMA events.
Both of those seem to have pretty loyal followings. There is never a shortage of people like that.
Would the NASCAR fans who only watch for the wrecks fall into that same category?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 29, 2009, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 29, 2009, 09:09:41 PM
That's a downside. Only faggots like seeing people getting crippled. They watch UFC and other MMA events.
Both of those seem to have pretty loyal followings. There is never a shortage of people like that.
Would the NASCAR fans who only watch for the wrecks fall into that same category?
All three of those groups are going to get slaughtered in the near future.
I have this image of the College of Cardinals getting together to elect the next Notre Dame head coach.
'White smoke! That means Urban Meyer!'
Well it is official now Weis is out at Notre Dame. Interestingly the AD is having the players vote on whether they will accept a Bowl Bid this year.
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Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2009, 03:31:26 PM
Well it is official now Weis is out at Notre Dame. Interestingly the AD is having the players vote on whether they will accept a Bowl Bid this year.
That totally fucks recruitment. Weis had some serious bluechippers verbally commit, and they were waiting on the word.
Hey, now that Weis is gone, does that mean Timmay will no longer root for them? PLEASE?
FUCK! WEIS IS GONE!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 30, 2009, 07:12:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2009, 03:31:26 PM
Well it is official now Weis is out at Notre Dame. Interestingly the AD is having the players vote on whether they will accept a Bowl Bid this year.
That totally fucks recruitment. Weis had some serious bluechippers verbally commit, and they were waiting on the word.
Hey, now that Weis is gone, does that mean Timmay will no longer root for them? PLEASE?
Sorry, they'll always be number 1 in my heart.
What if they played URI?
What if they played the Patriots?
Tim has room for many Number 1's in his heart - he is a true fan.
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2009, 03:31:26 PM
Well it is official now Weis is out at Notre Dame.
How much cash is he walking away with? Notre Dame = suckers.
QuoteInterestingly the AD is having the players vote on whether they will accept a Bowl Bid this year.
I wish they'd just revert to their old policy of not going to "lesser" bowls because they think they're too good for them. The fewer ND games on TV, the better.
Quote from: derspiess on November 30, 2009, 10:13:04 PM
How much cash is he walking away with? Notre Dame = suckers.
Good point. He did rape them for millions that he'll not have to work for now. I bet he spends it all on butter though. Or buy some new digital cameras and do some freelance scouting for the Pats.
Quote from: derspiess on November 30, 2009, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2009, 03:31:26 PM
Well it is official now Weis is out at Notre Dame.
How much cash is he walking away with? Notre Dame = suckers.
I have heard 18 million over the 6 years left on the deal.
Quote from: Rasputin on November 30, 2009, 03:44:45 PM
QuoteHostage Situation Continues. Police negotiators continue to hold largely fruitless talks with an old man holding tens of thousands of civilians and one horse hostage in Tallahassee, Florida. When asked for details on a possible endgame, police suggested the situation could go on for up to 365 days or more.
I am happy to report the crazy old man was successfully talked down.
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Quote from: Rasputin on November 30, 2009, 03:44:45 PM
QuoteHostage Situation Continues. Police negotiators continue to hold largely fruitless talks with an old man holding tens of thousands of civilians and one horse hostage in Tallahassee, Florida. When asked for details on a possible endgame, police suggested the situation could go on for up to 365 days or more.
I am happy to report the crazy old man was successfully talked down.
Old but still makes me chuckle:
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 30, 2009, 08:08:28 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 30, 2009, 07:12:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2009, 03:31:26 PM
Well it is official now Weis is out at Notre Dame. Interestingly the AD is having the players vote on whether they will accept a Bowl Bid this year.
That totally fucks recruitment. Weis had some serious bluechippers verbally commit, and they were waiting on the word.
Hey, now that Weis is gone, does that mean Timmay will no longer root for them? PLEASE?
Sorry, they'll always be number 1 in my heart.
Go fucking die. You never heard of Notre Dame until your little Patriotard offensive coordinator took the job. Now fuck off and leave my childhood teams alone.
ESPN reported that Marshall finally fired Snyder, but apparantly that's not confirmed.
Quote from: FunkMonk on November 30, 2009, 11:24:54 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2009, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on November 30, 2009, 03:44:45 PM
QuoteHostage Situation Continues. Police negotiators continue to hold largely fruitless talks with an old man holding tens of thousands of civilians and one horse hostage in Tallahassee, Florida. When asked for details on a possible endgame, police suggested the situation could go on for up to 365 days or more.
I am happy to report the crazy old man was successfully talked down.
Old but still makes me chuckle:
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:lol:
Maryland is the reason why you should never have a female athletic director.
QuoteCOLLEGE PARK - Maryland football coach Ralph Friedgen survived a threat to his job and now faces the formidable task of turning a 2-10 team into a Top 25 program and deciding whether to leave his staff intact for next season.
There was more relief than joy as Friedgen, 62, described receiving a phone call at 9 a.m. Tuesday from athletic director Debbie Yow, with whom he met Sunday and Monday to discuss his future as the team's coach and how to move forward.
"She said to me, 'Are you ready to move on?' And I said, 'Yes, I am,'" said Friedgen, who arrived at the Gossett Football Team House on Tuesday to begin calling recruits to inform them he is staying.
Yow, who was in Indiana with the men's basketball team, said she met with Friedgen for "about 3 1/2 hours" during the course of two days. She described the meetings as "collegial, intense and fairly positive." And Yow said Friedgen assured the university and fans of his commitment to make Maryland a Top 25 team again.
Her decision to retain Friedgen capped a disastrous season in which the Terps became the first Maryland football team to lose 10 games while ticket and luxury suite sales slumped. Friedgen's contract, which will pay him $4 million over the next two years, became a hot topic around College Park after Yow said she would evaluate him once the season concluded. Some university-system officials said buying him out with public or private dollars as the school faced academic cuts and furloughs was too sensitive in this economy. Some fans said a change was needed, although top officials in the Terrapin Club and Maryland Gridiron Network backed him.
Yow said Friedgen's passion to improve the football program played a part in deciding to keep him as head coach, and that the economy also had a role. She added that injuries and the team's youth figured into its record this year.
"I think a winning record in the regular season would be reasonable at this point," Yow said of her expectations for next year. "Financially, we need to hit the budget number that ends up being established."
Yow said the athletic department's budget relies on ticket sales for sports such as football and basketball to help pay for the university's other sports.
"One factor was just thinking about the economic health of the department and what would be the better course of action to protect all of the teams," she said. "While [the basketball and football coaches] make $2 million a year, we also depend upon [those programs] to sell tickets so that the other 25 sports will be healthy. That's not a unique model -- that's the model of Division I."
Friedgen, who is 66-46 in nine seasons at Maryland but has endured losing seasons in four of the past six years, said he is relieved to remain. He plans to leave on a recruiting trip today to Atlanta.
"I was concerned I wouldn't have an opportunity to right the ship," Friedgen said. "I don't want to go out 2-10. I'm a better football coach than 2-10. I think my staff is also."
Friedgen, who wore khaki slacks and a white polo shirt, said he hadn't slept well in days. His top assistants, who also had been anxious about their jobs, were busy setting up recruiting trips. Players wandered in and out of the offices, some stopping to tell Friedgen they are glad he is coming back.
Not buying out Friedgen "is a dose of fresh air -- and sanity -- in this whole thing," said former U.S. Rep. Tom McMillen, a member of the Board of Regents who starred in basketball at Maryland. "I just think about the kids who can barely make their tuition payments."
Friedgen still faces some trying issues, including whether to retain all of his assistant coaches and improving his strained relationship with Yow.
"I don't think the total story has been told," Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller said when asked about Friedgen and his staff.
"There have to be some changes in terms of recruiting," said Miller, an ardent Terps supporter and a Maryland graduate. "So we'll see."
In an interview, Friedgen said he would evaluate "everything" -- including his staff and recruiting efforts, adding that Yow did not tell him he has to remove anyone.
"I'm always going to do what I have to do to make the program better," he said. Friedgen's contract, which was signed in July 2004 and expires in January 2012, says the coach "shall have the right to select and retain nine assistant coaches, subject to the approval of the athletic director."
Among his assistants is offensive coordinator James Franklin, who is contractually due to receive $1 million from the school if not named to succeed Friedgen by Jan. 2, 2012.
The program's goals are high. Inside the modern football offices, memorabilia is displayed documenting Maryland's Top 25 finishes in 2001, 2002 and 2003 -- Friedgen's first three seasons. The Terps have not finished in the Top 25 since then, although the team has gone to six bowl games in the coach's tenure.
Fifty-eight of Maryland's 85 scholarship players have at least three years of eligibility remaining. In his discussions with Yow, Friedgen said he told her that "I think there's a lot to build on and really get the program back to where we want it."
Friedgen was hired by Yow before the 2001 season. His supporters say he has felt undermined this season by her lack of vocal support -- publicly and privately -- and that their relationship has deteriorated beyond the pressures of a losing season.
Assistant football coaches hired an attorney before the season because they believed they were contractually owed bonuses based on last season's record of 8-5 (4-4, ACC). The university interpreted the contract language differently and the bonuses were not paid, leaving coaches angry.
When asked to describe her relationship with Friedgen now, and going forward, Yow said, "I really wouldn't [choose to] describe it at all."
Friedgen also has offered little information about their relationship.
That divide comes 10 months after Yow's department publicly sparred with men's basketball coach Gary Williams over two former recruits.
Said Miller, the Senate president: "There are Gary people and there are Ralph people and they lash out at the athletic director, and it's wrong. She is from North Carolina, but her heart is with Maryland. I'm in all three camps. I like all three very much."
Friedgen said the uncertainty about his job status was warranted given the team's performance this year.
"Obviously when you're 2-10, you are going to get evaluated," Friedgen said. "I've been in this a long time. It comes with the territory. We're expected to win football games and graduate student-athletes."
Quote from: Bill in SintonWe must now start out the focusness. The synergy is very important. Everyone knows what to do. We must get started now. We haven't a moment to lose. Remember focus and synergy must be worked on. You can never have too much. You can never peak on them. It is work and we must get started now. The Aggie game is over and we have achieved a perfect regular season record. Now we must concentrate on winning the Big 12 Championship by beating Nebraska. That is all that matters. We can't be conerned about Florida or Alabama or anyone else. We must get through Saturday night with a win.
LET'S GO!
GO HORNS! FIGHT AND WIN! BEAT NEBRASKA!
So Valmy, how many touchdowns do you think the Longhorns will manage against the Florida/Bama D?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 01:20:27 PM
So Valmy, how many touchdowns do you think the Longhorns will manage against the Florida/Bama D?
No idea. Texas's BCS bowl games have all been bizarre affairs where Texas has won at the last second. I naturally wouldn't mind that continuing but I have given up trying to make any predictions. I mean basically after you take a month off God knows what will show up.
But I honestly would not be surprised if Texas torches Bama or UF's defense or if they are completely shutdown.
Quote from: Valmy on December 02, 2009, 01:35:18 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 01:20:27 PM
So Valmy, how many touchdowns do you think the Longhorns will manage against the Florida/Bama D?
No idea. Texas's BCS bowl games have all been bizarre affairs where Texas has won at the last second. I naturally wouldn't mind that continuing but I have given up trying to make any predictions. I mean basically after you take a month off God knows what will show up.
But I honestly would not be surprised if Texas torches Bama or UF's defense or if they are completely shutdown.
Last year: :(
I plan on parading four Longhorn flags on my car in honor of Bill in Sinton. I am: Synergized.
Also, Go Clemson Beat Joja Tech.
Funk, got a prediction for the BCS title game? :shifty:
Texas wins 85-3.
I could be wrong, however.
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 02, 2009, 04:48:17 PM
Texas wins 85-3.
I could be wrong, however.
:lol: I like the way you think :thumbsup:
I like your lack of focusness. :menace:
Pfft longhorns won't even be In title game after upset by Huskers.
Part of me wants Nebraska to me.
The other part wants Texas to win to keep Boise state away from a title game.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Part of me wants Nebraska to me.
The other part wants Texas to win to keep Boise state away from a title game.
:huh:
TCU and Cincy are ahead of Boise.
Shows how much i'm paying attention.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Part of me wants Nebraska to me.
The other part wants Texas to win to keep Boise state away from a title game.
If you hate Boise State you need to root for the Huskers. A Nebraska victory will send Boise to a lower tier bowl while a Texas victory will all but assure Boise a spot in the BCS.
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2009, 05:09:19 PM
Pfft longhorns won't even be In title game after upset by Huskers.
Not after our focusness!
Quote from: Valmy on December 02, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Part of me wants Nebraska to me.
The other part wants Texas to win to keep Boise state away from a title game.
If you hate Boise State you need to root for the Huskers. A Nebraska victory will send Boise to a lower tier bowl while a Texas victory will all but assure Boise a spot in the BCS.
Sorry, Val. While Texas is a good program, my loathing for the fucking Smurf team forces me to synergize for the blackshirts.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:16:16 PM
Sorry, Val. While Texas is a good program, my loathing for the fucking Smurf team forces me to synergize for the blackshirts.
No worries. Hatred of the smurf is a good cause.
I wish the Army-Navy game was this week. I heart service academies.
So who do I cheer for if I want the most non-BCS schools to make it into BCS bowls?
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 05:22:51 PM
So who do I cheer for if I want the most non-BCS schools to make it into BCS bowls?
Texas. If Nebraska wins both Texas and Nebraska will go and take Boise's spot away. TCU is getting an automatic bid.
OTOH, if Texas loses you get a non-BCS team in the championship game most likely.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
OTOH, if Texas loses you get a non-BCS team in the championship game most likely.
Yep needless to say our purple wearing buddies in Fort Worth are frothing at the mouth with hatred of all things Texas this week.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
OTOH, if Texas loses you get a non-BCS team in the championship game most likely.
Is Bama out? Who'd they lose to?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
OTOH, if Texas loses you get a non-BCS team in the championship game most likely.
:w00t:
Go Cornhuskers!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 05:39:12 PM
Is Bama out? Who'd they lose to?
Well either Bama or Florida is going to lose. Then TCU/Texas/whoever will play the winner.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
OTOH, if Texas loses you get a non-BCS team in the championship game most likely.
Is Bama out? Who'd they lose to?
Florida and Bama play this weekend. They are 1 and 2 in the country right now. Presumably the loser will be dropped to 3 or lower.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
OTOH, if Texas loses you get a non-BCS team in the championship game most likely.
Is Bama out? Who'd they lose to?
Bama plays Florida this week for one of the bcs spots.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:21:54 PM
I wish the Army-Navy game was this week. I heart service academies.
Air Force is irrelevant.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 05:08:28 PM
I like your lack of focusness. :menace:
They call me peachy. However, peachiness is not relevent. Synergy is.
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 05:40:50 PM
Florida and Bama play this weekend. They are 1 and 2 in the country right now. Presumably the loser will be dropped to 3 or lower.
The loser gets the Sugar Bowl.
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 02, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:21:54 PM
I wish the Army-Navy game was this week. I heart service academies.
Air Force is irrelevant.
Army football is irrelevant.
Quote from: Valmy on December 02, 2009, 05:40:27 PM
Well either Bama or Florida is going to lose. Then TCU/Texas/whoever will play the winner.
Gotcha. Thanks.
Quote from: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 05:40:50 PM
Florida and Bama play this weekend. They are 1 and 2 in the country right now. Presumably the loser will be dropped to 3 or lower.
No kidding. Very enlightening, arigato.
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2009, 05:41:31 PM
Bama plays Florida this week for one of the bcs spots.
Wow, that's zany. Obrigado very much.
Go Navy!
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 02, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:21:54 PM
I wish the Army-Navy game was this week. I heart service academies.
Air Force is irrelevant.
Army football is irrelevant.
Navy has an unfair advantage getting both the Marines and the Navy in the same academy.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 02, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:21:54 PM
I wish the Army-Navy game was this week. I heart service academies.
Air Force is irrelevant.
Army football is irrelevant.
True, but talking shit at work is fun, especially since we're having our own Army-Navy game here a day before the real one.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 02, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:21:54 PM
I wish the Army-Navy game was this week. I heart service academies.
Air Force is irrelevant.
Army football is irrelevant.
Actually, if they beat Navy, they'll be bowl-eligible. But A) they're not likely to beat Navy, and B) even if they become eligible, they aren't likely to get a bowl bid.
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 02, 2009, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 02, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 05:21:54 PM
I wish the Army-Navy game was this week. I heart service academies.
Air Force is irrelevant.
Army football is irrelevant.
True, but talking shit at work is fun, especially since we're having our own Army-Navy game here a day before the real one.
I'm going to watch the MASH episode with the CIA bomb during the Army-Navy game. A classic episode.
Me Like Jets!
(Air Force is in the Mountain West, so therefore the bestest)
Quote from: PDH on December 02, 2009, 07:51:04 PM
Me Like Jets!
(Air Force is in the Mountain West, so therefore the bestest)
:)
Whoever the cadet was as Gameday with that sign needs a medal. I laughed until I stopped.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
OTOH, if Texas loses you get a non-BCS team in the championship game most likely.
Is Bama out? Who'd they lose to?
Yi, Bama plays Florida this weekend for the SEC championship. Just wanted to make sure you knew.
Quote from: derspiess on December 02, 2009, 09:13:02 PM
Yi, Bama plays Florida this weekend for the SEC championship. Just wanted to make sure you knew.
Are you sure? Are you sure Bama didn't lose somewhere back there?
AU lost to Bama , :( so Navy has to win vs Army, I could not handle it if they did. :cry:
You do realize they lost to bama because you failed them in their time of need by taking a boat trip :thumbsdown:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
OTOH, if Texas loses you get a non-BCS team in the championship game most likely.
Is Bama out? Who'd they lose to?
Bama is currently undefeated, but will face Florida this weekend. The winner will go to the national championship game. :bowler:
Quote from: katmai on December 02, 2009, 10:06:55 PM
You do realize they lost to bama because you failed them in their time of need by taking a boat trip :thumbsdown:
The cruise left from Mobile Alabama, believe me when I say @75% of the passengers were watching the game wearing either AU or Bama colors, all TVs on the ship had the game, from the bars, the pool, the food court, everywhere, the screaming and drinking was great. BTW, the game itself was great to watch, AU almost had it (but almost don't cut it :( )
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
OTOH, if Texas loses you get a non-BCS team in the championship game most likely.
Is Bama out? Who'd they lose to?
Bama and Florida still have to play each other.
You people just need to get it all over with and accept Tebow as your Lord and Savior.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2009, 03:41:33 AM
You people just need to get it all over with and accept Tebow as your Lord and Savior.
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Quote from: derspiess on December 02, 2009, 09:13:02 PM
Yi, Bama plays Florida this weekend for the SEC championship. Just wanted to make sure you knew.
You're a life saver mang.
Stop recycling the same pics, Berkut.
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Stop recycling the same pics, Berkut.
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 03, 2009, 01:00:29 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
OTOH, if Texas loses you get a non-BCS team in the championship game most likely.
Is Bama out? Who'd they lose to?
Bama and Florida still have to play each other.
Nothing is quite so sad as Georgia people in love with Florida.
I tell you the rivalries in the SEC have devolved into a giant love fest for all things Gator.
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2009, 02:08:41 PM
Nothing is quite so sad as Georgia people in love with Florida.
I tell you the rivalries in the SEC have devolved into a giant love fest for all things Gator.
Actually, growing up I was at turns a lukewarm fan of Alabama, Florida and Florida St. I'm only a Georgia fan because I went there for a while.
Besides, if your rivals do poorly against other teams it diminishes your school as well, IMO.
What a friendly, chummy concept of "rivalry" you have there.
hehe, well as long as my team wins I don't care about the other games. Georgia Tech can win all the ACC championships it wants (though I'd prefer Florida St. to win).
The pillow biters are upset at Jim Harbaugh. He apparently called someone a faggot during the ND game.
What a bunch of whiny faggots.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 04:00:30 PM
The pillow biters are upset at Jim Harbaugh. He apparently called some a faggot during the ND game.
What a bunch of whiny faggots.
A football coach using bad language?!!? :o
Man, if people could hear everything that is said on the field and in locker rooms...
I'm APPPALLD!
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 04:00:30 PM
The pillow biters are upset at Jim Harbaugh. He apparently called someone a faggot during the ND game.
What a bunch of whiny faggots.
Maybe he was calling them a British cigarette.
None of you PAC-10 homers have anything to say about the Civil War tonight eh?
While I might be a bit biased I think the Duck win tonight. Even though Canfield is a fifth year senior he has never played in a Civil War game, and this one is in Eugene. I don't expect a blowout like last year but I think the Ducks will be able to control the game and get out with a win. Too bad I will miss the first half to go to my daughter's basketball game.
This is one game I would love to see Blount go haywire and beat-up opposing fans. :menace:
Oh hey Mangino resigned.
Quote from: sbr on December 03, 2009, 08:11:34 PM
While I might be a bit biased I think the Duck win tonight. Even though Canfield is a fifth year senior he has never played in a Civil War game, and this one is in Eugene. I don't expect a blowout like last year but I think the Ducks will be able to control the game and get out with a win. Too bad I will miss the first half to go to my daughter's basketball game.
This is one game I would love to see Blount go haywire and beat-up opposing fans. :menace:
I am torn.
On the one hand, if the Ducks win and we beat USC, Arizona ends up in 2nd place and probably goes to the Holiday Bowl.
On the other hand, that would involve Thug U winning a game, and excepting ASU, I cannot imagine something more distasteful than that bunch of gang bangers representing the conference.
Plus I would then have to deal with the need to root for them AGAIN against THE Ohio State University. :puke:
So being a glass is half full kind of guy, I am going to look at as a win-win for me.
If Oregon wins, it helps the Cats.
If OSU wins, Thug U loses. And that is pretty cool too.
I have enjoyed Genessee Pale ale, quite a few garbage plates, and I know that East and West Henrietta Road are NOT the same street. And I know that Greece is a West-Rochester suburb with a big mall before it is a nation in southern Europe. I also know that the REAL Erie canal is in New York and not Ohio. You can manage rooting for Ohio State again if it comes to that.
:P
Well...that looked like it hurt.
Also, Blount is in the game heh.
Edit: Blount punches it in? :blush:
Congrats to the 2009 PAC-10 Champion Oregon Ducks!
I hope Texas can share the Rose Bowl with them next month. :)
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2009, 12:33:10 AM
Congrats to the 2009 PAC-10 Champion Oregon Ducks!
I hope Texas can share the Rose Bowl with them next month. :)
I couldn't figure out what you meant, Ohio State is gong to the Rose Bowl, but then remembered that the NC Game is in the Rose Bowl too.
What a game I am exhausted. I was synergizing to the end.
Hell of a game last night.
Go Ducks. Beat the Sweater Vest.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2009, 06:29:34 AM
Hell of a game last night.
Go Ducks. Beat the Sweater Vest.
I can see how a Ravens fan would be a Ducks fan. Maybe some day Blount and Friends can reach the level of Ray Lewis.
They are going to kick the living shit out of Ohio State though.
Quote from: Berkut on December 04, 2009, 08:41:14 AM
They are going to kick the living shit out of Ohio State though.
Yep. Which saddens and enrages me at the same time. Fucking Pryor.
I figured I might as well start bitching about the Buckeye offense.
I don't think you can blame Pryor when the Ducks put up 40 points.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 04, 2009, 09:06:48 AM
I don't think you can blame Pryor when the Ducks put up 40 points.
You don't know Buckeye fans...
Quote"It's really kind of ironic that the New Orleans Saints overcame the hurricane a few years back....We've had a few hurricanes of our own. We had a big hurricane in August....but don't tell me this team is a failure."
Oh RichRod, you goofy fuck.
http://www.freep.com/article/20091203/SPORTS06/91203096/1354/SPORTS/Rich-Rod-U-M-survived-hurricanes
Sorry RichRod your team was a failure. Better luck next year.
Quote from: Berkut on December 04, 2009, 08:41:14 AM
They are going to kick the living shit out of Ohio State though.
I bet it will be close. The Buckeyes bring the defense.
Quote from: PDH on December 04, 2009, 09:08:10 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 04, 2009, 09:06:48 AM
I don't think you can blame Pryor when the Ducks put up 40 points.
You don't know Buckeye fans...
:lol: True.
Although Pryor has been something of a disappointment already, particularly early in the year. So he's already getting some blame. God help him if he does something like fumble when he's about to score the winning TD. The hate mail will fly, and the death threats too.
ESPN's showing Cinci @ Pitt today. :w00t:
Well then, today's the day.
Btw, my rooting for PITT is indead vindicated by the alma mater's anthem:
http://www.pittband.com/music/20%20Pitt%20Alma%20Mater.mp3
:P
Also: Yay, Dion Lewis! :w00t:
Quote from: Syt on December 05, 2009, 12:33:17 PM
Btw, my rooting for PITT is indead vindicated by the alma mater's anthem:
http://www.pittband.com/music/20%20Pitt%20Alma%20Mater.mp3
Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh Uber Alles in der Big East!
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 05, 2009, 10:21:45 AM
Well then, today's the day.
Yep.
Texas fight! Rose Bowl 2.0 bound baby!
PITT's doing fine. :)
I wish the snow would accumulate in the Pitt-Cincy game.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 02:40:13 PM
I wish the snow would accumulate in the Pitt-Cincy game.
The weather has been far too good this year in general. We had one rainy Saturday. Waah. We need a weather rule of some kind. A win in the rain counts as two wins. A win in the snow counts as three. :P
Pitt and Cincy now tied with 5min left.
Cincy wins since Pitt missed its last extra point.
Brian Kelly may have coached his final game as a the head coach of the Bearcats. Just saw a scroll on ESPN that he is open to Notre Dame.
I don't think that Cincy player needed to hit the Pitt QB in the knees.
It was a great game. Now we get to see how the Cats do against USC. Nothing at stake here AFAIK except getting a better bowl game.
Here's Tim Tebow's Bible verse for this game:
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But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
1st quarter so far: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Alabama has certainly opened up their playbook for this game. I'm sure UF will be able to make adjustments in half time, but hopefully it's not too late by then.
Florida's slow start is caused by those sucky new uniforms. Hate that helmet.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 04:48:22 PM
Florida's slow start is caused by those sucky new uniforms. Hate that helmet.
I like it. Not much orange.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 05, 2009, 04:39:59 PM
Here's Tim Tebow's Bible verse for this game:
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But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Football Jesus is the greatest crime of the past thirty years.
I'm looking forward to reading this book: http://www.onlyagame.org/2009/12/onward-christian-athletes/
12-3 in favor of the Fightin' Timmies so far.
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2009, 05:37:06 PM
12-3 in favor of the Fightin' Timmies so far.
Tim jumped on the 'bama bandwagon? :(
FUCKING TIM.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 05:39:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2009, 05:37:06 PM
12-3 in favor of the Fightin' Timmies so far.
Tim jumped on the 'bama bandwagon? :(
FUCKING TIM.
Yeah he has been a big Bama fan all year.
Last year too. It was his gloating in the Georgia game that made me hate Sports Tim. Robot Dinosaurs Tim is alright though.
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Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2009, 05:37:06 PM
12-3 in favor of the Fightin' Timmies so far.
Tim jumped on the 'bama bandwagon? :(
FUCKING TIM.
Yeah he has been a big Bama fan all year.
I wish young Gene Stallings would comeback through time and space and beat him with a bag of oranges.
Hey the QB passing to the TE is a gimmick play now.
The Announcers just said McElroy is playing like Colt McCoy :cool:
Ah I can live with Bama in title game, at least no Tebow.
Hey congrats to Arizona on knocking off USC in LA.
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
Hey congrats to Arizona on knocking off USC in LA.
Oh god, we'll never hear the end of it from Berkut now.
Florida is fucked if Bama scores a TD. Sure glad I didn't drive up to Atlanta and drop a few hundred on a ticket.
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2009, 06:47:18 PM
The Announcers just said McElroy is playing like Colt McCoy :cool:
Yeah I caught that too :lol:
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Hey congrats to Arizona on knocking off USC in LA.
Oh god, we'll never hear the end of it from Berkut now.
ZOMG TEH PAC10 COULD END TEH WARZ IN AFGHANISTAN
I'm having 1992 flashbacks now.
Florida is getting blasted by Alabama's lines. I blame those stupid uniforms.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 05, 2009, 07:04:57 PM
Florida is getting blasted by Alabama's lines. I blame those stupid uniforms.
That giant F on that helmet makes them retarded.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2009, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 05, 2009, 07:04:57 PM
Florida is getting blasted by Alabama's lines. I blame those stupid uniforms.
That giant F on that helmet makes them retarded.
It's preventing Spurrier Synergism.
Also, why didn't the shitty USC team play like that early in the year? :mad:
That WASNOTA FUMBLE!!!!11
Glad the review officials aren't idiots. That was a close one.
no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!dammitttttttttttttttttttt
game over
WTF was that pass Tebow?
Holy shit, what a game, I kinda wanted FL to win (enemy of my anemy and all that), but I'll have to join the languish "ugly uniform is making them lose" team.
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2009, 07:22:44 PM
WTF was that pass Tebow?
Well with that windup, he
should be able to throw it through people.
Oh well. Still, I can't complain too much... 2 national championships in football, 2 more in basketball in 4 years. Still, who would have thought in the battle between good(Tebow) and evil(Saban), that evil would prevail?
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I predict letdown against Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl.
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Next year, Florida is definitely going to be rebuilding- new QB, plus a ton of great juniors are probably going to leave. Also, Def. coordinator Charlie Strong is probably going to get hired somewhere.
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 05, 2009, 07:25:55 PM
Holy shit, what a game, I kinda wanted FL to win (enemy of my anemy and all that), but I'll have to join the languish "ugly uniform is making them lose" team.
Well, it's all a bit anticlimatic, especially after that Cincy-Pitt game today. Now that was a game.
Just got back from drill, so this is my first football game of the afternoon. Have not even surfed the net for other games info.
sorry jabs :(
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 05, 2009, 07:37:06 PM
sorry jabs :(
Don't worry, I will comfort myself with memories of the 2006 BCS championship, which I was fortunate enough to attend in person. The stadium was something like 80-20 OSU-Florida fans. I remember all the talk before the game how Michigan deserved to play OSU again, and that we were going to get blown out of the water, etc. Ohio State scored a TD on the kickoff, and as the return man ran the ball into the endzone, the buckeye crowd went apeshit. I remember thinking "Aw shit." It's usually a bad sign when you give up a TD on the first play. Florida went on to score 41 unanaswered points, if I remember right. :lol:
One of the best parts of the game of attending the game as a fan was all the taunting I could do. Normally, you never taunt the other side when you're heavily outnumbered, but I was sitting in a small pocket of Florida fans in the terrace seperated from the upper deck. Every time the Gators scored or got a turnover, my friend and I would turn around do the chomp to the sea of scarlet and grey sitting behind us. By the 4th quarter, half the section behind us was gone because it was such a blowout. :lol: I would never do such a thing on the road in the SEC, except maybe at Vandy, where it wouldn't even be worth it.
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sorry jabs :(
Don't worry, I will comfort myself with memories of the 2006 BCS championship, which I was fortunate enough to attend in person.
The thought of 2006 enrages me. :mad: :P
Since the SEC game seems over i switched to Huskies-Cal game and UDub is up 14-3 in 2nd :o
tebow is bawling on the sideline.
Quote from: stjaba on December 05, 2009, 07:53:07 PM
tebow is bawling on the sideline.
he needs to man up and rub some dirt on it.
Quick. Put Mark May on suicide watch.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 05, 2009, 07:57:03 PM
Quick. Put Mark May on suicide watch.
I hope Lou is laughing in his face.
Huskies up 21-3, where was this team all season?
Congrats Tide. Now go beat those Texans.
Quote from: stjaba on December 05, 2009, 07:27:47 PM
Still, who would have thought in the battle between good(Tebow) and evil(Saban), that evil would prevail?
It was evil vs lesser evil and lesser evil won. :P
Morrigan disapproves -5
It was not a good omen for Florida when their dude got beat at half time by a Bama *chick* who threw the football like a shotput.
Texas is not looking too good right now. Nebraska is sniffing an upset.
Texas will look crappy for most of the first half, then suddenly remember to play and kill Nebraska.
So if Texas did lose would it be TCU or Cincy vs Alabama?
Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 08:53:09 PM
So if Texas did lose would it be TCU or Cincy vs Alabama?
Hopefully TCU, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they somehow figured out a way to shove TIM TEBOW in there for the rematch.
Huskies 35-Cal 10 halfway through 3rd :o
Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 08:53:09 PM
So if Texas did lose would it be TCU or Cincy vs Alabama?
TCU. Cincy's close win over Pitt won't gain it any ground with the voters. It will help a little bit with the computers, but probably not enough, especially with Pitt having lost to WVU last week.
It's
possible that there could be a rematch of the SEC title game, but the margin of victory makes that unlikely. The computers can't consider margin of victory, but the voters can, and probably will.
Typical McCoy first-half blues <_<
Nebraska's QB sucks at the deep ball. I have no idea why they would try something like that. When you're trying to upset a superior opponent, and you already have the lead, the smart thing to do is run down the clock, and not take unnecessary risks. Nebraska could have run a few minutes off the clock, and got another field goal, worst case scenario. Now, Texas is driving again.
Nebraska's offense is soooo bad they just have to keep their cool and they will be fine.
I watched all 3 Dr. Pepper competitions(SEC, Big 12, ACC)- In the SEC, the winner got 9, and the loser got 8. *
In the ACC, it was like 5 or 6 to 2.
In the Big 12, it was 2-0.
This PROVES competition in the SEC is harder than the other conferences. And one of the competitors in the SEC was a chick!
*For those ignorant, the Dr. Pepper competition was a halftime football tossing game for $120,000 in scholarship money. Whoever threw more footballs in a giant Dr. Pepper bottle target won.
Nebraska chick was hot.
Both of the contestants in the Big 12 were chicks. Even so, it's pretty sad that the one girl wasn't able to get a single shot in.
$120,000 in scholarship money for throwing two footballs into a giant Dr. Pepper ten yards away.
Makes you think.
Switching over to the Texas game because Star Trek 4 sucks. :P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 05, 2009, 10:44:49 PM
Switching over to the Texas game because Star Trek 4 sucks. :P
After about 5 mins of this game you'll be wishing you stayed on Star Trek 4
Quote from: katmai on December 05, 2009, 07:00:16 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 05, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
Hey congrats to Arizona on knocking off USC in LA.
Oh god, we'll never hear the end of it from Berkut now.
Never hear the end of what?
It is nice to see Arizona start winning some close games. Going into this year they were something like 3-18 in games decided by a TD or less.
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12-3 in favor of the Fightin' Timmies so far.
Tim jumped on the 'bama bandwagon? :(
FUCKING TIM.
Yeah he has been a big Bama fan all year.
I wish young Gene Stallings would comeback through time and space and beat him with a bag of oranges.
I like oranges. :)
My family will hate me, but Go Cornhuskers!
Nebraska doing every thing it can to get a patsy for Alabama.
If Nebraska does pull it off, I predict it will be neck and neck to pick between Cincy and TCU.
Personally, I feel TCU is better than Cincy, but Cincy may get in because it's in BCS conference, and the computers like it a little more.
I think Alabama would throttle Cincy, but TCU would give them a good game since they have a really good defense.
Edit:
And the cornhuskers have the lead with 1:44 to go!!!
Edit 2:
And Nebraska just got screwed themselves by kicking the ball out of bounds, then committing a 15 yard penalty on Texas's first possession. Texas is going to win, the football gods will punish Nebraska for its mortal sins.
Eh, the way they're playing tonight I'm not sure Texas is better than TCU.
:blink: What the hell were they thinking running a play like that?? Dude's probably gonna miss the FG.
1 second on the game clock.
What an ending.
Woooooo!!!
Holy shit. Longhorns FTW.
Holy shit. Awesome.
Ugh, I'm annoyed Texas won. If Nebraska hadn't pulled a stupid and kicked that ball out of bounds, they would have won.
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Theoritically the voters could elevate TCU/Cincy over Texas if they wanted. Eddie makes a good point. TCU could definitely legitimately considered bttere than Texas. If I was a voter, I would definitely carefully consider my final vote.
Quote from: stjaba on December 05, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
Ugh, I'm annoyed Texas won. If Nebraska hadn't pulled a stupid and kicked that ball out of bounds, they would have won.
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Theoritically the voters could elevate TCU/Cincy over Texas if they wanted. Eddie makes a good point. TCU could definitely legitimately considered bttere than Texas. If I was a voter, I would definitely carefully consider my final vote.
:yes:
Good golly Miss Molly!
Damn, I love defensive standoffs.
Here's to Texas in the Rose Bowl again.
Anyone know where Suh is from?
Heart attacks FTW
Came down to a 46-yard field goal. With one second left. Jesus christ :lol:
Quote from: stjaba on December 05, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
Ugh, I'm annoyed Texas won. If Nebraska hadn't pulled a stupid and kicked that ball out of bounds, they would have won.
Well it was Texas' shitty special teams that nearly cost them the game. It was only fair they return the favor.
Oh yea---MIM's uncle lives three blocks from the Rose Bowl. I literally found it by accident missing the onramp to the freeway leaving his place one day. --Go under onramp, whoa, WTF that's the Rose Bowl!!. Heh. Plans are in the works to go see the Rose Bowl games this year. At least the RB, but maybe the NC also. I'll be rooting for Texas in the latter, naturally.
According to ESPN, Cincy is ranked higher than Texas by the computers.
I wonder if there is any chance for TCU or Cincy to pass Texas. 1 theory I just saw was that in the Harris and Coach's Poll, any "anti-Texas" votes will likely be split between TCU and Cincy, making it harder for either one of them to pass Texas. Still, voters could definitely make it happen for TCU and Cincy if they want.
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 05, 2009, 11:51:40 PM
Heart attacks FTW
Came down to a 46-yard field goal. With one second left. Jesus christ :lol:
I got to tell you when Texas kicked that FG to go up 10-6 I was a little worried because they were giving up that field position and they would have to cover a kick off. Man what an unbelievable collection of horrible special misscues. Without those Texas would have won easily. Well actually if Kirkendoll would have caught that stupid pass they would have won easily. So many opportunities to make a play and alot of people blew it. I am just glad Hunter didn't.
How about that defense eh?
Man Texas doesn't win these Big XII things easily.
Quote from: stjaba on December 05, 2009, 11:57:15 PM
According to ESPN, Cincy is ranked higher than Texas by the computers.
I wonder if there is any chance for TCU or Cincy to pass Texas. 1 theory I just saw was that in the Harris and Coach's Poll, any "anti-Texas" votes will likely be split between TCU and Cincy, making it harder for either one of them to pass Texas. Still, voters could definitely make it happen for TCU and Cincy if they want.
I do not really know why that would be. Texas' schedule is ranked ahead of Cinci and they have the same record...why would they be ranked higher? The computers never cease to boggle me.
Anyway if they want to vote TCU or Cincy ahead I guess I couldn't fault them. They also played their schedules and went undefeated.
Defense was impressive, but Nebraska's offense wasn't exactly stellar. Alabama though...
Hunter Lawrence is God tonight.
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 06, 2009, 12:01:39 AM
Defense was impressive, but Nebraska's offense wasn't exactly stellar. Alabama though...
Hunter Lawrence is God tonight.
Eh every game has been different. Bama has certainly had their struggles this year.
If Texas gets the chance...well we will just see how it goes.
That offensive line though...man HORRIBLE.
Yeah Lawrence gets a statue besides Dusty Mangum.
I saw this posted by Dant Wetzel on Mccoy's final play:
QuoteIronic play, if Suh hadn't pressured McCoy on last pass, McCoy would've held it until time ran out. He had no idea what he was doing.
That's a good point. Mccoy definitely was NOT aware of the game clock. Texas is extremely lucky, IMO.
I do think Texas will give Alabama a very good game, and has a decent chance to win, even though they have not necessarily looked dominant this year. Bowl games are so different from regular season games, and sometimes really hard to prect. Mack Brown and Nick Saban are both really smart coaches, and having over a month to get ready is plenty.
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 12:04:02 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 06, 2009, 12:01:39 AM
Defense was impressive, but Nebraska's offense wasn't exactly stellar. Alabama though...
Hunter Lawrence is God tonight.
Eh every game has been different. Bama has certainly had their struggles this year.
If Texas gets the chance...well we will just see how it goes.
That offensive line though...man HORRIBLE.
Yeah Lawrence gets a statue besides Dusty Mangum.
Fortunately, Bama doesn't have Suh. And that "SUUUHHHH" chant annoyed the hell out of me. Fuck that shit.
Quote from: stjaba on December 06, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
I do think Texas will give Alabama a very good game, and has a decent chance to win, even though they have not necessarily looked dominant this year. Bowl games are so different from regular season games, and sometimes really hard to prect. Mack Brown and Nick Saban are both really smart coaches, and having over a month to get ready is plenty.
They have had their moments but that offensive line has just KILLED Texas this year against good defense. McCoy has been pretty heroic but man I did not understand those last three playcalls. They go backwards twice then nearly run out the clock on a bizarre call. I thought they were just going to run it a few times and kick. Not sure what Mack and Greg Davis, the OC, were thinking.
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 06, 2009, 12:08:22 AM
Fortunately, Bama doesn't have Suh. And that "SUUUHHHH" chant annoyed the hell out of me. Fuck that shit.
Yep. I am so glad we never have to see Suh play Texas again. I just hope it comes down to a Hunter Lawrence FG again :D
I guess I am a Texas fan now, as much as that sucks. :mad:
Quote from: sbr on December 06, 2009, 12:17:19 AM
I guess I am a Texas fan now, as much as that sucks. :mad:
:( Why does that suck?
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 12:04:02 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 06, 2009, 12:01:39 AM
Defense was impressive, but Nebraska's offense wasn't exactly stellar. Alabama though...
Hunter Lawrence is God tonight.
Eh every game has been different. Bama has certainly had their struggles this year.
If Texas gets the chance...well we will just see how it goes.
That offensive line though...man HORRIBLE.
Yeah Lawrence gets a statue besides Dusty Mangum.
If the O line plays like that against Alabama, Colt McCoy is gonna be destroyed.
Bring on TCU!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2009, 01:05:51 AM
If the O line plays like that against Alabama, Colt McCoy is gonna be destroyed.
Bring on TCU!
What...you want Bama to lose to a second straight mid major?
Looks like Arizona will be playing Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl. Should be a hell of a game - our O-Line has been phenomenal this year, but can they control that Suh dude?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 06, 2009, 01:09:55 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2009, 01:05:51 AM
If the O line plays like that against Alabama, Colt McCoy is gonna be destroyed.
Bring on TCU!
What...you want Bama to lose to a second straight mid major?
that would be sweet
Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 01:11:00 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 06, 2009, 01:09:55 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2009, 01:05:51 AM
If the O line plays like that against Alabama, Colt McCoy is gonna be destroyed.
Bring on TCU!
What...you want Bama to lose to a second straight mid major?
that would be sweet
Yes, yes it would...
Is the SEC the most over-rated conference in college football history???
Discuss.
Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 01:11:00 AM
that would be sweet
It really would.
Unrelated side note: I just found out Larry HEAD FOOTBALL COACH FOR YOUR UTSA ROADRUNNERS Coker makes $200,000 a year now, which is ~$55,000 more than what the AD there makes, and ~$75,000 more than the basketball coach. Pretty big drop from whatever he was probably making over at teh yew.
Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 01:10:50 AM
Looks like Arizona will be playing Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl. Should be a hell of a game - our O-Line has been phenomenal this year, but can they control that Suh dude?
Best of luck to Cats.
Pleased with the end of season for Huskies.
5-7 record is decent improvement, now it comes down to if Jake Locker leaves early for NFL or comes back for senior season.
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Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 01:10:50 AM
Looks like Arizona will be playing Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl. Should be a hell of a game - our O-Line has been phenomenal this year, but can they control that Suh dude?
Best of luck to Cats.
Pleased with the end of season for Huskies.
5-7 record is decent improvement, now it comes down to if Jake Locker leaves early for NFL or comes back for senior season.
Well, it turns out that the Washington rob of our win didn't matter much at all - even had we won, we would still be #2 in the conference, so I am going to go ahead and go back to liking Washington more than the other Pac-10 teams.
Locker is gone though - he would be an idiot to stay, quite honestly.
Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 01:30:09 AM
Locker is gone though - he would be an idiot to stay, quite honestly.
Yeah I know :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2009, 01:05:51 AM
If the O line plays like that against Alabama, Colt McCoy is gonna be destroyed.
Bring on TCU!
It would be the Timmeh bowl!
Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 01:10:50 AM
Looks like Arizona will be playing Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl. Should be a hell of a game - our O-Line has been phenomenal this year, but can they control that Suh dude?
Man good luck against that crew. It is not just the defensive line that is good that secondary is pretty hardcore.
However their offense is not good. Score 20 and you got it.
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 12:17:54 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 06, 2009, 12:17:19 AM
I guess I am a Texas fan now, as much as that sucks. :mad:
:( Why does that suck?
Sorry, Texas has always irritated me and I was pulling for Florida earlier.
I am glad to be sharing
our Rose Bowl with you though. :)
Quote from: sbr on December 06, 2009, 03:13:31 AM
Sorry, Texas has always irritated me and I was pulling for Florida earlier.
I am glad to be sharing our Rose Bowl with you though. :)
Awwww I have always liked Oregon. Especially when they beat OU.
I am glad Texas will be sharing the Rose Bowl with Oregon and Ohio State.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 05, 2009, 11:49:57 PM
Damn, I love defensive standoffs.
Here's to Texas in the Rose Bowl again.
Forgot to say thanks alot man for pulling for the Horns and here's to Ohio State in the Rose Bowl again.
Remember, every time Tebow cries an angel gets his wings.
Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 01:10:50 AM
Looks like Arizona will be playing Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl. Should be a hell of a game - our O-Line has been phenomenal this year, but can they control that Suh dude?
Let's hope so. Nebraska cannot be allowed to become anything close to a national power again. Ever.
Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 01:12:32 AM
Is the SEC the most over-rated conference in college football history???
Discuss.
There is nothing to discuss. The answer is no. The Big 12 is.
Quote from: stjaba on December 05, 2009, 11:44:58 PM
Ugh, I'm annoyed Texas won. If Nebraska hadn't pulled a stupid and kicked that ball out of bounds, they would have won.
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Theoritically the voters could elevate TCU/Cincy over Texas if they wanted. Eddie makes a good point. TCU could definitely legitimately considered bttere than Texas. If I was a voter, I would definitely carefully consider my final vote.
No you wouldn't. If you were a voter, you'd know where the money was.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2009, 08:15:47 AM
Quote from: Berkut on December 06, 2009, 01:12:32 AM
Is the SEC the most over-rated conference in college football history???
Discuss.
There is nothing to discuss. The answer is no. The Big 12 is.
I'd have to see some hard evidence on this; my gut tells me the Big Ten is the most overrated over the last 25 years.
The Pac 10 is the most overrated in this thread. :P
Quote from: Rasputin on December 06, 2009, 09:42:34 AM
I'd have to see some hard evidence on this; my gut tells me the Big Ten is the most overrated over the last 25 years.
Kansas State the last 15 years, for starters. The Virginia Tech of the Big Ex-Eye-Eye.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2009, 10:35:53 AM
Quote from: Rasputin on December 06, 2009, 09:42:34 AM
I'd have to see some hard evidence on this; my gut tells me the Big Ten is the most overrated over the last 25 years.
Kansas State the last 15 years, for starters. The Virginia Tech of the Big Ex-Eye-Eye.
I counter with Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan who have rarely finished where they started over the last couple decades.
Last 15 years? Are you thinking it's 2003 or something? Because that was the last time K-State had a winning conference record. That was also the last time they won more than 7 games.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 06, 2009, 11:27:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2009, 10:35:53 AM
Kansas State the last 15 years, for starters. The Virginia Tech of the Big Ex-Eye-Eye.
Last 15 years? Are you thinking it's 2003 or something? Because that was the last time K-State had a winning conference record. That was also the last time they won more than 7 games.
DONT YOU DEFEND THEM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2009, 11:28:19 AM
DONT YOU DEFEND THEM
Poor KState. "SIX WINS WE'RE BOWL ELIG....wait what? "
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2009, 08:15:47 AM
There is nothing to discuss. The answer is no. The Big 12 is.
How can the Big 12 be over-rated everybody says they were down this year...or was that too positive for you SEC homers?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 06, 2009, 11:31:46 AM
Poor KState. "SIX WINS WE'RE BOWL ELIG....wait what? "
What do you mean UMASS doesn't count?
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 01:28:35 PM
How can the Big 12 be over-rated everybody says they were down this year...or was that too positive for you SEC homers?
FWIW I don't think you Texas guys overrate your conference nearly as much as Berkut and SBR do. ;)
(BTW, 3-4 Texas fans and 0 fans of other Big 12 teams? What's up with that?)
Go Baylor.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2009, 01:05:51 AM
If the O line plays like that against Alabama, Colt McCoy is gonna be destroyed.
Tim may have just done to Saban what he did to Weiss. :lol:
I wish somebody would beat Tim with a sack of oranges.
Tim already jinxed TCU...he bandwagons teams...beating with a sack of oranges is too good, he should be run over by a semi filled with oranges.
The final ap ballot just came out. If it it has any predictive value of the Harris and BCS poll, it suggests that there is little chance TCU/Cincy will leap over Texas. One problem for TCU/Cincy is that the voters like TCU a little more than Cincy, and the computers like Cincy a little more than TCU. The computers are a little funky. For instance, Sagarin has 1. Alabama 2. Florida(!!) 3. Cincy 4. TCU 5. Texas. If the old BCS was in effect(where the computers counted for way more than 1/3 of the poll), I think Texas could definitely have been on the outside looking in.
Final AP ballot
1 Alabama (58) 13-0 1498 2
2 Texas (2) 13-0 1425 3
3 TCU 12-0 1376 4
4 Cincinnati 12-0 1302 5
5 Florida 12-1 1253 1
6 Boise State 13-0 1237 6
7 Oregon 10-2 1128 7
8 Ohio State 10-2 1080 8
9 Georgia Tech 11-2 952 12
10 Iowa 10-2 925 9
11 Penn State 10-2 883 10
12 Virginia Tech 9-3 866 11
13 LSU 9-3 686 15
14 Miami (FL) 9-3 660 17
15 Brigham Young 10-2 658 16
16 Oregon State 8-4 524 13
17 Pittsburgh 9-3 514 14
18 West Virginia 9-3 447 24
19 Stanford 8-4 390 23
20 Nebraska 9-4 371 21
21 Oklahoma State 9-3 349 22
22 Arizona 8-4 323 NR
23 Utah 9-3 151 NR
24 Wisconsin 9-3 133 NR
25 Central Michigan 11-2 64 NR
I wonder who voted Texas over Alabama. :lol:
Edit:
And the coach's poll is out:
1 Alabama (54) 13-0 1470
2 Texas (4) 13-0 1409
3 TCU 12-0 1336
4 Cincinnati (1) 12-0 1280
5 Florida 12-1 1240
6 Boise State 13-0 1216
7 Oregon 10-2 1096
8 Ohio State 10-2 1077
9 Penn State 10-2 950
10 Georgia Tech 11-2 921
11 Iowa 10-2 918
12 Virginia Tech 9-3 829
13 LSU 9-3 718
14 Brigham Young 10-2 702
15 Miami (FL) 9-3 611
16 Pittsburgh 9-3 506
17 West Virginia 9-3 429
18 Oklahoma State 9-3 404
19 Nebraska 9-4 391
20 Oregon State 8-4 368
21 Stanford 8-4 253
22 Wisconsin 9-3 247
23 Arizona 8-4 237
24 Utah 9-3 183
25 Houston 10-3 106
Note that Texas got 4 1st place votes, and Cincy got 1. No doubt that at least some coaches out there are voting strategically.
The Zeppelin Weis attempted to take out Pete Carroll on his way out with the shacked up with a grad student quote.
Weis has no class and should be beaten with a sack of oranges.
Oh, the huge manatee.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2009, 05:24:33 PM
The Zeppelin Weis attempted to take out Pete Carroll on his way out with the shacked up with a grad student quote.
Weis has no class and should be beaten with a sack of oranges.
Oh, the huge manatee.
Personally, I fucking loved it. Nobody deserves torpedos in the starboard side more than Pete Carroll. I don't care how many retardo kids he invites to practice.
Of course, Weis learned that behavior from Belichick, so there ya go.
And so Wyoming, with its impressive 6-6 record (Suck on THAT, Katmai), is bound for the New Mexico Bowl against the mighty Fresno State Fresnoians. I expect Wyoming to be trounced in this, but as SBR noted the Cowboys get an extra couple of weeks of practice - there is no way that could hurt.
In console terms, a couple more years of this, and Wyoming will get that second star!
So Boise vs TCU means only two undefeated teams will be left when season is over?
Cincinnati is still undefeated, barely.
Goddamn BCS made the Fiesta Bowl into the kids table...so none of the "names" gets embarrassed...
Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 08:47:09 PM
Goddamn BCS made the Fiesta Bowl into the kids table...so none of the "names" gets embarassed...
Yar
Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 08:47:09 PM
Goddamn BCS made the Fiesta Bowl into the kids table...so none of the "names" gets embarrassed...
No shit, it's disgraceful.
To be fair, college football as a whole is fairly disgraceful.
And last year TCU played and beat Boise in the Poinsettia Bowl...well, Utah (especially) spoiled it for everyone by spanking Alabama and not just winning on a trick play...
Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 08:47:09 PM
Goddamn BCS made the Fiesta Bowl into the kids table...so none of the "names" gets embarrassed...
Yeah that Fiesta Bowl is a disgrace a definite "fuck you" by the BCS to the lesser conferences. Disgusting and a tremendous slap in the face to the MWC especially after they thought they were throwing Utah to the lions to be massacred last year. I guess it is a new strategy.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 06, 2009, 01:33:42 PM
(BTW, 3-4 Texas fans and 0 fans of other Big 12 teams? What's up with that?)
The sorts of towns that have Big 12 schools outside of Austin have yet to discover the internet.
Quote from: stjaba on December 06, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
I wonder who voted Texas over Alabama. :lol:
They were probably people who voted Texas over Bama last week and went with the whole 'your number 1 until somebody knocks you off' thing.
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 08:47:09 PM
Goddamn BCS made the Fiesta Bowl into the kids table...so none of the "names" gets embarrassed...
Yeah that Fiesta Bowl is a disgrace a definite "fuck you" by the BCS to the lesser conferences. Disgusting and a tremendous slap in the face to the MWC especially after they thought they were throwing Utah to the lions to be massacred last year. I guess it is a new strategy.
I can't imagine the network that airs the Fiesta Bowl is happy about it either, the ratings won't be good.
Quote from: stjaba on December 06, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
I think Texas could definitely have been on the outside looking in.
Maybe.
What is up with you pumping Cincy over Texas anyway? They played like shit in their game also and they would have been the ones to go if Texas had lost...
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2009, 09:52:59 PM
I can't imagine the network that airs the Fiesta Bowl is happy about it either, the ratings won't be good.
You think? That game has more sizzle than Iowa versus Georgia Tech. Both Boise State and TCU have earned themselves lots of interest around the country people will tune in to see it.
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: stjaba on December 06, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
I think Texas could definitely have been on the outside looking in.
Maybe.
What is up with you pumping Cincy over Texas anyway? They played like shit in their game also.
The team they beat was #14 compare to #22 though.
I sure hope TCU just crushes them. Next year TCU is a monster, senior laden...it will be tougher to play around with the BCS if they manage another undefeated year. The MWC finishes with three top-25 teams...and again is lumped in with the WACholes.
Quote from: PDH on December 06, 2009, 09:58:58 PM
I sure hope TCU just crushes them. Next year TCU is a monster, senior laden...it will be tougher to play around with the BCS if they manage another undefeated year. The MWC finishes with three top-25 teams...and again is lumped in with the WACholes.
You're all a bunch of Pac-10 wannabes :rolleyes:
Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 10:03:07 PM
You're all a bunch of Pac-10 wannabes :rolleyes:
No, that's BYU and Utah that want to be in the PAC-12 :)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2009, 09:55:57 PM
The team they beat was #14 compare to #22 though.
That certainly could be it. He could have thought Nebraska isn't any good but I asked him not you. I think Nebraska's defensive prowess has been well known all year. Pitt being a choker just waiting to blow it was also well known.
I know why you hate Texas, they beat the USC Tims and now they have had Timmeh Jihad declared on them forever.
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 06, 2009, 01:33:42 PM
(BTW, 3-4 Texas fans and 0 fans of other Big 12 teams? What's up with that?)
The sorts of towns that have Big 12 schools outside of Austin have yet to discover the internet.
I root for Tech as my step-brother is a sophomore there.
Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 06, 2009, 01:33:42 PM
(BTW, 3-4 Texas fans and 0 fans of other Big 12 teams? What's up with that?)
The sorts of towns that have Big 12 schools outside of Austin have yet to discover the internet.
I root for Tech as my step-brother is a sophomore there.
Go visit him sometime. Lubbock is something everyone must see before they die.
I mean honestly it is just a coincidence there is certainly no shortage of fans of other Big 12 schools. Even Baylor.
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 10:26:58 PM
Go visit him sometime. Lubbock is something everyone must see before they die.
I mean honestly it is just a coincidence there is certainly no shortage of fans of other Big 12 schools. Even Baylor.
I would have to go to Texas for that :o
Quote from: katmai on December 06, 2009, 10:32:38 PM
I would have to go to Texas for that :o
Well at least tell him you will visit a bunch of times and then not come. <_<
:P
Everything is big in Texas.
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: stjaba on December 06, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
I think Texas could definitely have been on the outside looking in.
Maybe.
What is up with you pumping Cincy over Texas anyway? They played like shit in their game also and they would have been the ones to go if Texas had lost...
I don't think they're any better than Texas. All I was pointing out is that they may have made the title game pre-modifed BCS, when the computer rankings were more significant. I don't think Texas deserved any no.1 votes, though, but I wouldn't have necessarily put Cincy over Texas, either. There's no doubt, IMO, Alabama is 1, especially if you view the poll as an objective measure of a team's quality right now as opposed to "body of work" or similar metric. I think Texas objectively speaking is better than Cincy, but I am not sure about TCU- haven't watched anything more than highlights from them. Under a body of work type ranking, though, Cincy should be ranked higher than Texas, IMO. TCU would have a good argument against Texas also.
The one thing that impressed me about Cincy compared to Texas is that they won on the road in harsh conditions against a balanced team. Nebraska may have a good defense, but their offense is horrendous, and Texas basically won by virtue of the fact that Nebraska's kicker fucked up the kickoff. Plus, Texas was playing in "neutral" site, in a dome, which is typically not too upset friendly. Still, as you point out, Cincy wasn't exactly dominating. Their last two games, their defense has been pretty porous, and they made of mistakes. If the teams met, I think Texas would probably beat Cincy, and Cincy would be a huge dog against Alabama as well. It will be intereresting to see what happens in the bowls.
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Re: TV Ratings
One of the crappier side effects of the latest incarnation of the BCS is that it produces crappy bowl matchups, especially now that there are 10(!) BCS bowl teams. That's definitely spreading the quality teams way too thinly.
As for the Fiesta Bowl, I think it's a relatively interesting matchup, and I disagree with "kids table" characterization. I think it's compelling because both teams are clearly very good- one is ranked 4th and the other is 6th. If I was TCU, I'd much rather play Boise State than 10th ranked Iowa, which was the other possibility. And even though it's a re-match, both teams are better than they were last year, and it's a bigger stage. The ratings probably won't be that great, but honestly, would having Iowa play instead of Boise State really have made a difference?
Quote from: stjaba on December 07, 2009, 12:33:54 AM
The ratings probably won't be that great, but honestly, would having Iowa play instead of Boise State really have made a difference?
No but if TCU played Florida and beat them that would make a difference.
Quote from: stjaba on December 07, 2009, 12:33:54 AM
As for the Fiesta Bowl, I think it's a relatively interesting matchup, and I disagree with "kids table" characterization. I think it's compelling because both teams are clearly very good- one is ranked 4th and the other is 6th. If I was TCU, I'd much rather play Boise State than 10th ranked Iowa, which was the other possibility. And even though it's a re-match, both teams are better than they were last year, and it's a bigger stage. The ratings probably won't be that great, but honestly, would having Iowa play instead of Boise State really have made a difference?
I think it's a reasonable matchup just considering the game on the field, but I also have a very strong feeling that the sentiment that this came about in an attempt to make sure that a team from a BCS AQ conference didn't lose to a team from a "lesser" conference is correct.
Quote from: dps on December 07, 2009, 01:30:05 AM
I think it's a reasonable matchup just considering the game on the field, but I also have a very strong feeling that the sentiment that this came about in an attempt to make sure that a team from a BCS AQ conference didn't lose to a team from a "lesser" conference is correct.
This is the perception, reality aside it appears once again as if the BCS was embarassed last year (and three years ago), and wants the upstarts to not beat one of the "name" conference teams. Neither Boisie nor TCU are like Hawaii 2 years ago, both could win against most any team. The shitstorm from last year made this happen.
Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2009, 10:26:58 PMGo visit him sometime. Lubbock is something everyone must see before they die.
The one thing I always noticed against the background noise that is Lubbock is the giant wind turbine sitting in what appears to be someones backyard. It looks like a residential neighborhood, etc, and it's all by itself, instead of a part of a wind farm and all that. I've only seen it from the highway though, never up close.
*househousehousehouse150foottallwindmillhousehousehousehouse*
Quote from: stjaba on December 07, 2009, 12:33:54 AM
I don't think they're any better than Texas. All I was pointing out is that they may have made the title game pre-modifed BCS, when the computer rankings were more significant. I don't think Texas deserved any no.1 votes, though, but I wouldn't have necessarily put Cincy over Texas, either. There's no doubt, IMO, Alabama is 1, especially if you view the poll as an objective measure of a team's quality right now as opposed to "body of work" or similar metric. I think Texas objectively speaking is better than Cincy, but I am not sure about TCU- haven't watched anything more than highlights from them. Under a body of work type ranking, though, Cincy should be ranked higher than Texas, IMO. TCU would have a good argument against Texas also.
As I said I think the people who voted Texas #1 already had them #1 and didn't change it out of laziness. They had Texas ranked #1 before and Texas won so they didn't move them down. I am not sure what you are getting at with the body of work thing...I mean Texas, Cincy, and TCU all went unbeaten and Texas had the highest ranked strength of schedule...but in the end if any of those teams had been picked I wouldn't have much arguement. They all went out and won their games. If you are hammering Texas for having a couple close games...well I would point out Bama had their own struggles this year also with teams who played great defense. TCU beat Airforce 20-17...
QuoteThe one thing that impressed me about Cincy compared to Texas is that they won on the road in harsh conditions against a balanced team. Nebraska may have a good defense, but their offense is horrendous, and Texas basically won by virtue of the fact that Nebraska's kicker fucked up the kickoff. Plus, Texas was playing in "neutral" site, in a dome, which is typically not too upset friendly. Still, as you point out, Cincy wasn't exactly dominating. Their last two games, their defense has been pretty porous, and they made of mistakes. If the teams met, I think Texas would probably beat Cincy, and Cincy would be a huge dog against Alabama as well. It will be intereresting to see what happens in the bowls.
Well many many teams with terrible offenses and great defenses have won big games over the years. Nebraska's kicker might have fucked up the kick off but I have to say I never doubted for a second Colt McCoy was going to get them down and win it some sort of way. But I guess we will never know exactly how that would have played out.
QuoteOne of the crappier side effects of the latest incarnation of the BCS is that it produces crappy bowl matchups, especially now that there are 10(!) BCS bowl teams. That's definitely spreading the quality teams way too thinly.
Um....what? The older incarnation of the BCS had the same bad match-ups. The bad match-ups are usually caused by unexciting conference champs like Georgia Tech who would have gone anyway...of course I love Georgia Tech and their wishbone so I will be checking them out.
QuoteAs for the Fiesta Bowl, I think it's a relatively interesting matchup, and I disagree with "kids table" characterization. I think it's compelling because both teams are clearly very good- one is ranked 4th and the other is 6th. If I was TCU, I'd much rather play Boise State than 10th ranked Iowa, which was the other possibility. And even though it's a re-match, both teams are better than they were last year, and it's a bigger stage. The ratings probably won't be that great, but honestly, would having Iowa play instead of Boise State really have made a difference?
Are you nuts? Do you have any idea what those programs are struggling against? Of course they want to kick the crap out of Iowa instead of being forced to eat their own in that circumstance.
By the way here were the four coaches who voted Texas #1:
Tim Brewster (Minnesota)
Bo Pelini (Nebraska)
Mark Dantonio (Michigan State)
Robb Akey (Idaho)
Yeah I don't see what is strategic about that. Idaho was trying to stick it to Boise State though obviously :P. Besides Idaho and Bo Pelini trying to make himself feel better...or conference loyalty...or something I think it was just laziness.
The following dudes voted Texas #3:
Brian Kelly (Cincy)
Jim Leavitt (USF)
Kevin Sumlin (UH)
Troy Calhoun (Air Force)
Gary Patterson (TCU)
Greg Schiano (Rutgers)
Stan Parrish (Ball State)
Mike Sanford (Nevada)
Ken Niumatalolo (Navy)
And ULM voted them #4 clearly thinking a truly great team would have beaten them by 40 instead of 39.
Les Miles voted Cincy #8 for some bizarre reason. Chris Peterson voted Bama, Texas, and TCU ahead of his team. I know a coach should strive for objectivity...but wow.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2009-final-coaches-ballots.htm?loc=interstitialskip
Looking over the minor bowls, I see Texas Tech vs Sparty. Sparty is going to get raped.
I love Mike Leach. ARGH.
Quote from: dps on December 07, 2009, 01:30:05 AM
I think it's a reasonable matchup just considering the game on the field, but I also have a very strong feeling that the sentiment that this came about in an attempt to make sure that a team from a BCS AQ conference didn't lose to a team from a "lesser" conference is correct.
I could believe that if the BCS committee made the pairings, but that isn't the case. The individual bowl committees have the power to pick who they want. The only limitation is that the bowls essentially "draft" the teams. One factor that makes it a little more screwed up is that IMO the other bowls are deferential to the Rose Bowl and let them get the traditional Pac-10-Big 10 matchup.
The bowl committees's priorities are to create an interesting matchup for tv, and to provide a sellout. The Fiesta Bowl organizers probably really don't care about the BCS-non-AQ distinction per se. Which is why 2 loss Ohio State was picked last year over undefeated Boise State- it wasn't because of OSU's conference affiliation, it was because having Ohio State in the game would generate far more interest than Boise State. This year, the decision was basically between Boise State/TCU or Iowa, and they decided that Boise State-TCU was a more interesting matchup.
From SI.com:
QuoteI never thought I'd say this, but it seems the BCS suddenly has more respect for non-BCS teams than much of the general public.
From the time word of the potential TCU-Boise State Fiesta Bowl matchup first leaked Saturday right up through Sunday's official announcement, the response from Twitter Nation, e-mailers and my fellow media members has been almost universally negative. It seems most of you feel the Fiesta did these teams an injustice by not allowing them to "prove themselves" against BCS-conference foes.
Have you guys not looked at the latest rankings? TCU is fourth. Boise State is sixth. Both are undefeated. Why would they better prove themselves by beating their originally projected opponents, Georgia Tech and Iowa -- both of which are lower ranked and sport two losses apiece -- than by beating each other?
"Anybody that says these teams should be playing teams from a 'bigger conference' are doing a disservice to these programs," a very defensive Fiesta Bowl CEO John Junker said Sunday night. "If we're going to say these programs are on same level as others, then we shouldn't be making any distinction about who they play other than the ranking of their opponent.
"Maybe its time for people to think outside the box a little bit."
The only disservice the Fiesta Bowl did was pass up an even more compelling matchup: No. 3 Cincinnati vs. No. 4 TCU. Junker, who made a big deal in his comments about the historical significance of pitting two undefeated teams, said his game passed on the Bearcats for geographical reasons.
"Boise is almost 1,000 miles closer to our game [than Cincinnati], and while we didn't consult the Sugar Bowl, but just accessing MapQuest, Cincinnati is about 1,000 miles closer to New Orleans."
The greatest irony is this: Fans have long complained about bowls passing up teams like TCU and Boise for less-deserving "brand-name" schools with larger fan followings. Just last year, the Fiesta selected 10-2 Ohio State over 12-0 Boise and reaped a huge TV rating for it.
In this case, the Fiesta had full opportunity to take Iowa and a likely horde of 40,000 followers as its replacement pick for Texas, yet voluntarily chose higher-ranked TCU, knowing full the Hawkeyes would not still be available once the Orange Bowl selected next -- and now the bowl is taking heat for that.
As for the conspiracy theories that BCS officials pressured the Fiesta to go all-mid major to appease the commissioners, Orrin Hatch or anybody else, Junker had a pretty blunt response: "I'll try to be nice about this, but that's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard in my life."
Quote"Anybody that says these teams should be playing teams from a 'bigger conference' are doing a disservice to these programs," a very defensive Fiesta Bowl CEO John Junker said Sunday night. "If we're going to say these programs are on same level as others, then we shouldn't be making any distinction about who they play other than the ranking of their opponent."
If we were going to say those programs were on the same level as others their conferences would have automatic bids...
Anyway the Fiesta Bowl always has had a bit of a maverick streak about it in how it picks its teams.
Quote from: Valmy on December 07, 2009, 10:59:02 AM
Quote"Anybody that says these teams should be playing teams from a 'bigger conference' are doing a disservice to these programs," a very defensive Fiesta Bowl CEO John Junker said Sunday night. "If we're going to say these programs are on same level as others, then we shouldn't be making any distinction about who they play other than the ranking of their opponent."
If we were going to say those programs were on the same level as others their conferences would have automatic bids...
Saying the programs are on the same level is not at all saying the conferences are.
Boise State would have 3 losses if they played in the Pac-10.
Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 11:31:05 AM
Saying the programs are on the same level is not at all saying the conferences are.
Boise State would have 3 losses if they played in the Pac-10.
:lol:
Oregon managed to scrape by with 1 conference loss.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 07, 2009, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: Berkut on December 07, 2009, 11:31:05 AM
Saying the programs are on the same level is not at all saying the conferences are.
Boise State would have 3 losses if they played in the Pac-10.
:lol:
Oregon managed to scrape by with 1 conference loss.
Indeed, they are quite good. That being said, they were two plays away from losing two more games, at least.
And Oregon would crush Boise State right now.
I have been assured that Alabama is being sabotaged by Mack Brown's man on the inside:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_7OC0YbG2fek%2FRffEaa3dKfI%2FAAAAAAAAAY0%2FLy9rvShEK_o%2Fs400%2FNick.jpg&hash=d54df4b2119c211a16907cc3c724441fb2db4e65)
:D
Texas fan in the Marines gunned down during arguement over the Big XII title game:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4723697
Ironically he was from Sinton.
he got synergized.
Quote from: Valmy on December 08, 2009, 10:20:08 AM
Texas fan in the Marines gunned down during arguement over the Big XII title game:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4723697
Ironically he was from Sinton.
Reminds me of last year the night Texas lost to Tech. I was in Columbia, South Carolina and I nearly started a fight that, had it happened, I would be breathing through a series of tubes right now. My Gamecock hatred is strong now.
Elections must be approaching, Congress is rattling the BCS' cage once again.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/more/wires/12/09/2080.ap.us.bcs.congress.4th.ld.writethru.0550/
QuoteWASHINGTON (AP) -Dismissing complaints from some members that Congress had more pressing matters, a House subcommittee approved legislation Wednesday aimed at forcing college football to switch to a playoff system to determine its national champion.
"We can walk across the street and chew gum at the same time,'' said the subcommittee chairman, Illinois Democrat Bobby Rush, one of the bill's co-sponsors. "We can do a number of things at the same time.''
The legislation, which still faces steep odds, would ban the promotion of a postseason NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision game as a national championship unless it results from a playoff. The measure passed by voice vote in the House Energy and Commerce Committee's commerce, trade and consumer protection subcommittee, with one audible "no,'' from Rep. John Barrow, D-Ga.
"With all due respect, I really think we have more important things to spend our time on,'' Barrow said before the vote, although he stressed he didn't like the current Bowl Championship Series, either.
The BCS selections announced last weekend pit two unbeaten teams, No. 1 Alabama and No. 2 Texas, in the Jan. 7 national title game. Three other undefeated teams - TCU, Cincinnati and Boise State - will play in a BCS bowl game, but not for the championship.
"What can we say - it's December and the BCS is in chaos again,'' said the bill's sponsor, Rep. Joe Barton of Texas, the top Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee. He said the BCS system is unfair and won't change unless prompted by Congress.
The legislation, which goes to the full committee, would make it illegal to promote a national championship game "or make a similar representation,'' unless it results from a playoff.
There is no Senate version, although Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, has pressed for a Justice Department antitrust investigation into the BCS.
Shortly after his election last year, Barack Obama said there should be a playoff system.
In a statement before the vote, BCS executive director Bill Hancock said, "With all the serious matters facing our country, surely Congress has more important issues than spending taxpayer money to dictate how college football is played.''
Yet Barrow wasn't alone in criticizing his colleagues' priorities; Reps. Zach Space, D-Ohio, and Bart Stupak, D-Mich., made similar arguments. Space said that with people facing tough times, the decision to focus on college football sends the "wrong message.''
The legislation has a tough road ahead, given the wide geographic representation and political clout of schools in the six conferences that have automatic BCS bowl bids - the ACC, Big East, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-10 and SEC.
The current college bowl system features a championship game between the two top teams in the BCS standings, based on two polls and six computer rankings. Eight other schools play in the Orange, Sugar, Fiesta and Rose bowls.
Under the BCS, the champions of those six big conference have automatic bids, while other conferences don't. Those six conferences also receive far more money than the other conferences.
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On the Net:
Information on the bill, H.R. 390, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov
Bowl Championship Series: http://www.bcsfootball.org
House Energy and Commerce Committee: http://energycommerce.house.gov
Huzzah! :w00t:
Can someone explain to me what the point of the non-championship BCS bowls is?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Can someone explain to me what the point of the non-championship BCS bowls is?
MOney.
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 08:19:19 PM
MOney.
That's the point of any normal bowl. I'm asking if there's anything that makes the lesser BCS bowls speical.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 08:20:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 08:19:19 PM
MOney.
That's the point of any normal bowl. I'm asking if there's anything that makes the lesser BCS bowls speical.
"Tradition" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 09, 2009, 08:13:36 PM
Huzzah! :w00t:
I hope Bobby Bowden fucks you with a Strap-On.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2009, 08:20:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2009, 08:19:19 PM
MOney.
That's the point of any normal bowl. I'm asking if there's anything that makes the lesser BCS bowls speical.
Not really, except that their teams are picked from a certain pool.
Now, why the BCS exists, I dunno. It gives some structure to bowls so that higher-ranked teams can play one another, and the bowls agree to have lesser matchups so they can get the big matchup every now and again, but overall I think it is mostly gimmick.
As for the "national championship game" there is no such thing in Div-1A (I refuse to use that BCD/FCD terminology). There is only the BCS championship game.
The least Congress could do while walking and chewing gum is dock themselves a day's pay for each day spent on this kind of shit.
Quote from: grumbler on December 09, 2009, 09:09:18 PM
The least Congress could do while walking and chewing gum is dock themselves a day's pay for each day spent on this kind of shit.
Meh, it's not like anything useful can get passed through the Senate anyway, so the House may as well have fun.
The Tejano broadcast of the Big XII winning FG:
http://videos.utexasclan.com/view.php?id=7221
Yeah Spanish commentators just do a better job. That dude went apeshit.
So Seedy, The Irish have their new man. What do ya think?
Quote from: katmai on December 10, 2009, 11:52:47 PM
So Seedy, The Irish have their new man. What do ya think?
Interesting choice, but better than the Great Weis Whale. We'll see. Hope he's not in over his head.
Curious as to how he'll be able to recruit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 10, 2009, 11:55:30 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 10, 2009, 11:52:47 PM
So Seedy, The Irish have their new man. What do ya think?
Interesting choice, but better than the Great Weis Whale. We'll see. Hope he's not in over his head.
Curious as to how he'll be able to recruit.
He has been very successful everywhere he has been; if he turned Cinci-fucking-nnati into a national championship contender he should be able to make ND good. Probably won't be good enough for the most ridiculous fan base in the country though.
Quote from: Valmy on December 10, 2009, 01:46:03 PM
The Tejano broadcast of the Big XII winning FG:
http://videos.utexasclan.com/view.php?id=7221
Yeah Spanish commentators just do a better job. That dude went apeshit.
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Quote from: sbr on December 11, 2009, 12:21:57 AM
He has been very successful everywhere he has been; if he turned Cinci-fucking-nnati into a national championship contender he should be able to make ND good. Probably won't be good enough for the most ridiculous fan base in the country though.
This is true. It's a whole new level of expectations.
Quote from: Valmy on December 10, 2009, 01:46:03 PM
The Tejano broadcast of the Big XII winning FG:
http://videos.utexasclan.com/view.php?id=7221
Yeah Spanish commentators just do a better job. That dude went apeshit.
I miss home. :lol:
Quote from: katmai on December 10, 2009, 11:52:47 PM
So Seedy, The Irish have their new man. What do ya think?
I'll tell you what
I think. I'm sick of Big East coaches leaving right before their team plays in a BCS bowl.
Now UC's going to win the bowl with some aging, retarded interim coach & then make the mistake of giving him the full-time job :P
At any rate, as great a coach as Kelly is, I don't see him taking ND back to national prominence. Nobody will-- that program is cursed.
I do enjoy the bridges he burned at Cincy. Gilyard and Pike are reportedly PISSED. But they don't count, they are seniors.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 11:55:13 AM
I do enjoy the bridges he burned at Cincy. Gilyard and Pike are reportedly PISSED. But they don't count, they are seniors.
Why would it matter if he pissed off any of the players at Cincy, even a freshman? He isn't going back and the players aren't going to transfer to ND; they probably couldn't even get into the school.
Is there some NCAA rule that requires the parties to announce the move before Cincy's bowl game?
Agree with all the people who think Notre Dame fans just need a reality check. Duke can pull it off in basketball because you only need to recruit 6-8 elite players who can pull the grades. And even then that program is going to be hurting when K retires.
Quote from: sbr on December 11, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 11:55:13 AM
I do enjoy the bridges he burned at Cincy. Gilyard and Pike are reportedly PISSED. But they don't count, they are seniors.
Why would it matter if he pissed off any of the players at Cincy, even a freshman? He isn't going back and the players aren't going to transfer to ND; they probably couldn't even get into the school.
For Cincy it matters. They could transfer out. I'm sure there is a large school in that state that would like a couple of Cincy's players.
I'm sure Michigan fans still kick themselves over Ryan Mallet leaving for Arkansas when Carr retired and Rich Rod came in.
Oh well, it doesn't matter anyways. Only one school counts in Ohio anyways.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
Oh well, it doesn't matter anyways. Only one school counts in Ohio anyways.
But Ohio University has a sucky football program.
Quote from: PDH on December 11, 2009, 01:31:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
Oh well, it doesn't matter anyways. Only one school counts in Ohio anyways.
But Ohio University has a sucky football program.
:D
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 11, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 11:55:13 AM
I do enjoy the bridges he burned at Cincy. Gilyard and Pike are reportedly PISSED. But they don't count, they are seniors.
Why would it matter if he pissed off any of the players at Cincy, even a freshman? He isn't going back and the players aren't going to transfer to ND; they probably couldn't even get into the school.
For Cincy it matters. They could transfer out. I'm sure there is a large school in that state that would like a couple of Cincy's players.
I'm sure Michigan fans still kick themselves over Ryan Mallet leaving for Arkansas when Carr retired and Rich Rod came in.
Oh well, it doesn't matter anyways. Only one school counts in Ohio anyways.
Why would they leave Cincy if they were mad at the previous coach?
Quote from: sbr on December 11, 2009, 02:47:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 11, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 11:55:13 AM
I do enjoy the bridges he burned at Cincy. Gilyard and Pike are reportedly PISSED. But they don't count, they are seniors.
Why would it matter if he pissed off any of the players at Cincy, even a freshman? He isn't going back and the players aren't going to transfer to ND; they probably couldn't even get into the school.
For Cincy it matters. They could transfer out. I'm sure there is a large school in that state that would like a couple of Cincy's players.
I'm sure Michigan fans still kick themselves over Ryan Mallet leaving for Arkansas when Carr retired and Rich Rod came in.
Oh well, it doesn't matter anyways. Only one school counts in Ohio anyways.
Why would they leave Cincy if they were mad at the previous coach?
A few won't leave because they are mad and I never said that. I said they was pissed at Kelly.
They'll leave if don't care for the new, non-interim coach or the new coach's system.
Like Ryan Mallet leaving Michigan because they went to that shitty spread offense that RichRod uses.
Anybody who's going to question the poor show in Kelly bailing on his team--and yes, it's warranted--I've got two words for you: Nick. Saban.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 11, 2009, 06:30:29 PM
Anybody who's going to question the poor show in Kelly bailing on his team--and yes, it's warranted--I've got two words for you: Nick. Saban.
This is what Kelly does. It's the same thing he did when he bailed on Central Michigan for Cincy, and probably the same thing he did when he bailed on Grand Valley State for Central. My wife actually called this right after she saw what he said when first asked about it. She immediately said: "He's going to Notre Dame." Heh. I was skeptical. I was thinking why go to the wasteland that Notre Dame is now when he could rule the Big East with Cincy. Oops.
Edit: Actually, she's telling me exactly what he did with Central: He reassured the team he would be staying, not going anywhere, etcetcetc. Then the day of, he called a team meeting, told them (or the ones who could attend, since some were home for winter break or some such), and left for Cincinnati literally
minutes later. Like..he was already packed up and ready to go or something. lol
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 11, 2009, 06:36:12 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 11, 2009, 06:30:29 PM
Anybody who's going to question the poor show in Kelly bailing on his team--and yes, it's warranted--I've got two words for you: Nick. Saban.
This is what Kelly does. It's the same thing he did when he bailed on Central Michigan for Cincy, and probably the same thing he did when he bailed on Grand Valley State for Central. My wife actually called this right after she saw what he said when first asked about it. She immediately said: "He's going to Notre Dame." Heh. I was skeptical. I was thinking why go to the wasteland that Notre Dame is now when he could rule the Big East with Cincy. Oops.
Edit: Actually, she's telling me exactly what he did with Central: He reassured the team he would be staying, not going anywhere, etcetcetc. Then the day of, he called a team meeting, told them (or the ones who could attend, since some were home for winter break or some such), and left for Cincinnati literally minutes later. Like..he was already packed up and ready to go or something. lol
Can't see that he did that here. Obviously, I don't know what he told the team privately, but I thought that he had made it pretty clear to the media that he was interested in the ND job.
Quote from: PDH on December 11, 2009, 01:31:56 PM
But Ohio University has a sucky football program.
Hey how many Eastern Division MAC Championships does Wyoming have eh?
Yeah I am not sure how blatant Kelly could have been. When he was asked about it before the Pitt game he said he would meet with Notre Dame and listen to what they had to say. In coachspeak he couldn't have said: I AM GOING TO NOTRE DAME any louder than that. I do not really see how you could compare this to a coach who says 'I love State U and I will be here until the end of my career' and then bails for Bigger State U.
I left a negative vibe towards Texas and its chances against 'bama somewhere on the forum. Will val find it? Will it piss him off?
Quote from: sbr on December 11, 2009, 12:21:57 AM
He has been very successful everywhere he has been; if he turned Cinci-fucking-nnati into a national championship contender he should be able to make ND good. Probably won't be good enough for the most ridiculous fan base in the country though.
At this point I think shitty coaches like Bob Davie, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weiss have surely reduced those expectations alot.
I mean is it really ridiculous to expect a team with Golden Tate and Jimmy Clausen should be able to do better than 6-6 with that schedule? I think not. Notre Dame has been shitty by any standard for 15 years. I doubt any fans of a traditional power would tolerate it.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 07:49:45 PM
I left a negative vibe towards Texas and its chances against 'bama somewhere on the forum. Will val find it? Will it piss him off?
Hey if you want to start cheering for the Crimson Tims go right ahead.
Quote from: Valmy on December 11, 2009, 07:54:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 07:49:45 PM
I left a negative vibe towards Texas and its chances against 'bama somewhere on the forum. Will val find it? Will it piss him off?
Hey if you want to start cheering for the Crimson Tims go right ahead.
On if Gene Stallings beats Tim with a sack of oranges.
Quote from: Valmy on December 11, 2009, 07:51:48 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 11, 2009, 12:21:57 AM
He has been very successful everywhere he has been; if he turned Cinci-fucking-nnati into a national championship contender he should be able to make ND good. Probably won't be good enough for the most ridiculous fan base in the country though.
At this point I think shitty coaches like Bob Davie, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weiss have surely reduced those expectations alot.
I mean is it really ridiculous to expect a team with Golden Tate and Jimmy Clausen should be able to do better than 6-6 with that schedule? I think not. Notre Dame has been shitty by any standard for 15 years. I doubt any fans of a traditional power would tolerate it.
Agreed. I understand that ND may not be a national title contender year in, year or - or may not ever be a national title contender at the end of the season. But against what is now a fairly easy schedule (aside from USC and Michigan) they shouldn't be going 6-6 when they're the most famous college football program in the country with their own private tv network.
We all know Tim is the reason for the decline. 2006 Fiesta bowl. That was it.
Speaking of Golden Tate he deserved to win the Biletnikov but man it makes me sad Jordan Shipely didn't win it :(
Quote from: Valmy on December 11, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
Yeah I am not sure how blatant Kelly could have been. When he was asked about it before the Pitt game he said he would meet with Notre Dame and listen to what they had to say. In coachspeak he couldn't have said: I AM GOING TO NOTRE DAME any louder than that. I do not really see how you could compare this to a coach who says 'I love State U and I will be here until the end of my career' and then bails for Bigger State U.
All true. But the timing almost couldn't have been any shittier. Your players fight hard, all the way to the last second of the last game, to go 12-0 and the team is going to the Sugar Bowl. For a player or anyone connected to the team, you're probably going to feel a little bitter about the guy leaving before the bowl game.
As a UC fan myself, I don't take it personally-- it's to be expected in this day & age. But I can't tell any other fans or players that they shouldn't be pissed off about it.
Quote from: Valmy on December 11, 2009, 08:02:12 PM
Speaking of Golden Tate he deserved to win the Biletnikov but man it makes me sad Jordan Shipely didn't win it :(
Fred Biletnikov has a trophy? Dude needed a pound of stickum on each hand to catch passes.
Quote from: derspiess on December 11, 2009, 08:04:23 PM
All true. But the timing almost couldn't have been any shittier. Your players fight hard, all the way to the last second of the last game, to go 12-0 and the team is going to the Sugar Bowl. For a player or anyone connected to the team, you're probably going to feel a little bitter about the guy leaving before the bowl game.
As a UC fan myself, I don't take it personally-- it's to be expected in this day & age. But I can't tell any other fans or players that they shouldn't be pissed off about it.
Yeah it does suck on that level. I was just saying this is different from Nick Saban is all.
QuoteFootballCoachScoop has BREAKING NEWS and the FIRST TO REPORT that Stanford Head Coach Jim Harbaugh is negotiating a contract with Athletic Director Lew Perkins to be the new Head Coach of the Kansas Jayhawks. Our sources tell us that Harabugh will be named the new Head Coach at KU when the contract details are worked out and finalized this weekend. According to our source he will be paid between $2.5 Million and 2.75 Million if they can finalize all the details.
What? What? Why? Why Harbaugh are you fucking crazy? You turned down Notre Dame and are leaving Stanford to go to exile into the football purgatory that is Kansas? WTF?
Does he think they are signing him to coach their Basketball team or something?
Surely this is not true. Hopefully he is just trying to get more money from garbon U.
It's tough to recruit at Fighting Tree U
But....
Quote
Kansas denies offering coaching job
1 hour, 53 minutes ago
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP)—Athletic director Lew Perkins says he has not offered the vacant Kansas coaching job amid reports that the school is negotiating with Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh.
Perkins has been interviewing candidates to replace Mark Mangino, who resigned under pressure after an investigation into his treatment of players. Perkins is known to have talked to Buffalo coach Turner Gill and Mississippi coach Houston Nutt.
Perkins issued a statement Friday insisting he would not comment on unsubstantiated reports. He added, "Having said that, I will reiterate at this time that the process is ongoing. We have not offered the head coaching position to anyone."
A school spokesman declined to say whether Perkins was negotiating with any candidates.
Mangino cleared the campus snack machines out.
If Kansas snaps up Harbaugh I am gonna be pissed! That man is Michigan's coach after next year, damnit! He should have replaced Carr, but the UM Athletic Director has been a moron since he arrived (but leaves at the end of September, huzzah!), so all that means is a three-year delay... unless Kansas makes that a moot point.
Quote from: dps on December 11, 2009, 07:47:06 PM
Can't see that he did that here. Obviously, I don't know what he told the team privately, but I thought that he had made it pretty clear to the media that he was interested in the ND job.
It wasn't as bad as the Central Michigan situation, which was a total scumbag move, but he certainly did tell the Cincinnati players (or at least some of them) he was staying
after the media stuff re: him and the ND job started popping up, then took off.
Fake edit: Hell maybe it was as bad: http://www.examiner.com/x-30967-Cincinnati-Bearcats-Examiner~y2009m12d10-Insult-to-injury-Kelly-lied-about-job-until-the-very-end
Article is dated the 10th.
Quote700wlw reports tonight that "sources with ND say [Kelly] took the job two weeks ago."
QuoteHe recently told his players "I'm not Mark Dantonio" when they expressed concern that he might lie to them and leave. No, he isn't Mark Dantonio; Kelly left for a lot more money.
The deception apparently wasn't limited to the players. 700wlw reports that "sources at UC speaking on background say Kelly denied to athletic department personnel as late as Wed. to accepting the ND job."
Oddly, even hours after Kelly's departure was reported, Kelly was still denying that he had taken the ND job. At around 10:00 p.m., 700wlw reported on Twitter: "Brian Kelly still denying his accepting the job at Notre Dame." It's as if Kelly is stuck in denial mode.
It's
kind of the way things are, but usually the departing coaches aren't as douchy (is that a word?) or scummy about it. Unless they're named Saban. Someone is always going to be pissed, and someone is always going to feel betrayed and all that, but Kelly seems to be...well...Saban-ish?
Real Edit: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091210/SPT0101/312100073/Bearcat+players+among+last+to+know
Quote"He told us from the get-go that we'd be the first people to know whatever he decides," senior quarterback Tony Pike said Thursday evening before the team banquet. "We're going to keep him at his word. We've trusted him this far and we're going to believe what he says."
Same exact thing. :lol: "Oh..so...uh..yeah...I'm leaving. See you guys!"
Well...I guess doing it at the banquet like that is better than a sudden emergency team meeting where the whole team isn't even there, then catching a flight 20 minutes later.
What's "funny" about this whole thing is now Cincy is going to snatch up some poor mid major's head coach (hey Central Michigan did well again), that mid major is going to steal some 1AA coach (Grand Valley State -> Central Michigan), etc. Maybe not exactly like that, maybe someone steals a good coordinator or assistant or something, but close enough.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 08:34:25 PM
Mangino cleared the campus snack machines out.
And then he insulted the ethnic background of the dude who refills the machines.
You know...out of all this coaching shit that's been going on (as usual), I'm still absolutely astonished that guy Dan Hawkins still has a job in Boulder. Maybe next year I'll send them an application and see if they hire me. I could probably run a program into the ground just as well as that guy, and as a bonus I don't have any kids who are shitty QBs that I would feel the need to throw into the starting job.
Those Army uniforms were some kind of hideous.
Berkut, your DC has gone to Florida State, according to "a source":
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4735537
Quote from: Valmy on December 11, 2009, 08:21:50 PM
QuoteFootballCoachScoop has BREAKING NEWS and the FIRST TO REPORT that Stanford Head Coach Jim Harbaugh is negotiating a contract with Athletic Director Lew Perkins to be the new Head Coach of the Kansas Jayhawks. Our sources tell us that Harabugh will be named the new Head Coach at KU when the contract details are worked out and finalized this weekend. According to our source he will be paid between $2.5 Million and 2.75 Million if they can finalize all the details.
What? What? Why? Why Harbaugh are you fucking crazy? You turned down Notre Dame and are leaving Stanford to go to exile into the football purgatory that is Kansas? WTF?
Does he think they are signing him to coach their Basketball team or something?
Surely this is not true. Hopefully he is just trying to get more money from garbon U.
Valmy where did you hear he turned down ND?
anyways some more reports and some reasons why he might go there..
QuoteStanford coach Jim Harbaugh linked to Kansas job
Staff and wire reports
Posted: 12/11/2009 09:09:03 PM PST
Updated: 12/11/2009 10:24:59 PM PST
Less than a week after Jim Harbaugh was linked to the Notre Dame job, reports surfaced Friday that the Stanford coach could be heading to Kansas.
Two sources told 610 Sports Radio in Kansas City that, barring unforeseen circumstances, Harbaugh would fly to Lawrence, Kan., after tonight's Heisman Trophy presentation to accept the Kansas job.
The station reported that Harbaugh would make $2.7 million per year.
The Kansas City Star reported that Harbaugh has talked with Kansas athletic director Lew Perkins about the opening and that Harbaugh probably would be Kansas' top choice.
Another radio station and a TV station from Kansas City reported Friday night that Harbaugh had been offered the job.
Harbaugh's wife, Sarah, is from the Kansas City area.
Earlier in the day, Perkins issued a statement in an effort to put to rest the rampant rumors about Perkins offering the job to Harbaugh.
"As we have said in the past, we will not comment on rumors about any potential candidates for the position of head football coach at the University of Kansas," Perkins said.
"Having said that, I will reiterate at this time that the process is ongoing. We have not offered the head coaching position to anyone."
Neither Harbaugh nor Stanford athletic director Bob Bowlsby responded to interview requests from the Mercury News.
It is believed that Harbaugh still has not signed the three-year contract extension Stanford offered more than a year ago, which reportedly was worth about $1.25 million annually. The poor economic climate was cited for the delay last winter, but Bowlsby said last month that the deal could be announced soon. Bowlsby hasn't replied to questions this week about the status of the extension.
Harbaugh probably would double his salary at Kansas. Former Jayhawks coach Mark Mangino made $2.3 million per season.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 11, 2009, 10:40:17 PM
Quote700wlw reports tonight that "sources with ND say [Kelly] took the job two weeks ago."
Quote700wlw reports that "sources at UC speaking on background say Kelly denied to athletic department personnel as late as Wed. to accepting the ND job."
Oddly, even hours after Kelly's departure was reported, Kelly was still denying that he had taken the ND job. At around 10:00 p.m., 700wlw reported on Twitter: "Brian Kelly still denying his accepting the job at Notre Dame." It's as if Kelly is stuck in denial mode.
Sources say that that is some real rock-solid reporting. JoeBlow on Twitter confirmed that the reporting is even more made-up than it seems.
Uh That is WLW radio station out of Cincy grumbles.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 12, 2009, 02:20:15 AM
Berkut, your DC has gone to Florida State, according to "a source":
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4735537
Not surprising - Marks name has been coming up in connection with other jobs for the last month or more. It is probably the right time for him to move on, in fact - his stock is very high right now.
Bought 2 tickets for my Step Brother for Alamo Bowl. He gets to see his School (Texas Tech vs Spartoons!)
Quote from: dps on December 11, 2009, 07:47:06 PM
Can't see that he did that here. Obviously, I don't know what he told the team privately, but I thought that he had made it pretty clear to the media that he was interested in the ND job.
:huh:He told ESPN at halftime of the Sunday night game that he wasn't contacted and not interested in leaving Cincy.
Quote from: katmai on December 12, 2009, 07:42:25 AM
Uh That is WLW radio station out of Cincy grumbles.
Still, not a very credible hard-news story. Some of it, of course, is gonna be true, but a lot of this kind of "anonymous sources" stuff (like that Harbaugh already accepted the job at Kansas, or that Les Miles had been hired to replace Carr at Michigan) is just wanking off, and should not be reported as though it were actual news.
Go Navy! Beat Army!
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 12, 2009, 02:42:19 PM
Go Navy! Beat Army!
I'm sure Navy will win but I would like to see Army win, making all three service academies Bowl eligible.
:( interception
And now... they fumble and lose the ball again, at this pace, sbr will get to see all 3 academies Bowl.
Seems like I was watching some historical Army Navy game last night with the retard Army uniforms.
Anyone know when that was? Army had black jerseys and desert camo helmets and pants. Where the name goes they had Duty, Honor, and Country.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 12, 2009, 04:36:43 PM
Seems like I was watching some historical Army Navy game last night with the retard Army uniforms.
Anyone know when that was? Army had black jerseys and desert camo helmets and pants. Where the name goes they had Duty, Honor, and Country.
Last year, I think it was.
Go Navy!
Well, the real game was closer than the game our Army and Navy components play here at this AFB.
Army lost to Navy 20-0. That's six years in a row Army has lost here (ie, since they started these games) :( :lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 12, 2009, 06:03:50 PM
Well, the real game was closer than the game our Army and Navy components play here at this AFB.
Army lost to Navy 20-0. That's six years in a row Army has lost here (ie, since they started these games) :( :lol:
:pinch:
Anyone watching the Griz - Mountaineers 1AA semifinal game now?
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^_^
Edit: Oh..Turner Gill at Kansas? Bleh.
Great shot, but that is the kind of hit that should get a 15 yard penalty for leading with the head; mostly to keep the defender from breaking his own neck.
Army-Navy bored me silly and I usually love those games. :weep:
Quote from: sbr on December 12, 2009, 07:55:08 PM
Great shot, but that is the kind of hit that should get a 15 yard penalty for leading with the head; mostly to keep the defender from breaking his own neck.
Check out the coach in the watch cap grinning at the pain.
Ball carrier looks like he was on autopilot, made no effort to juke.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 12, 2009, 08:04:46 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 12, 2009, 07:55:08 PM
Great shot, but that is the kind of hit that should get a 15 yard penalty for leading with the head; mostly to keep the defender from breaking his own neck.
Check out the coach in the watch cap grinning at the pain.
Ball carrier looks like he was on autopilot, made no effort to juke.
Looks to me like he just caught the ball on a swing pass and had just turned his momentum forward when the clip starts. He had no chance to make that guy miss.
Quote from: sbr on December 12, 2009, 08:20:39 PM
Looks to me like he just caught the ball on a swing pass and had just turned his momentum forward when the clip starts. He had no chance to make that guy miss.
I'm not faulting the guy for getting tackled, I'm faulting him for making no effort to get his sternum out of the path of the dude's helmet.
Saw that play. Kid got up and walked off the field...
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 12, 2009, 06:18:47 PM
Anyone watching the Griz - Mountaineers 1AA semifinal game now?
I watched the last 5 minutes or so. Great game I had forgotten how good Armani Edwards was...of course beating Michigan is just not as amazing now as it was two years ago.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 12, 2009, 06:18:47 PM
Edit: Oh..Turner Gill at Kansas? Bleh.
:cry: He'll be missed.
WTF, they gave the trophy to him?
Quote from: katmai on December 12, 2009, 08:55:18 PM
WTF, they gave the trophy to him?
That was bullshit. Ingram nearly fumbled away the game against Tennessee and then he has a 30 yard 18 carry game against Auburn and all that is forgiven. Neither Toby Gerhart nor Suh shit the bed in big situations like that. It just shows how fickle and ridiculous the sports media is. They all watched him be good against Florida and that is all that matters. The last game on TV the rest of the season doesn't mean a thing.
But then that is exactly why I thought Ingram would win it.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 12, 2009, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 12, 2009, 08:58:43 PM
Toby Gerhart
Should have won it.
Yep. East Coast bias big time. You know the whole South East made damn sure nobody from the West would beat one of their favored sons.
I will sleep well knowing the following though.
QuoteSaturday night, the winner of the 75th Heisman Memorial Trophy Award will be announced at the Nokia Theatre Times Square. The finalists are: Alabama running back Mark Ingram, Stanford running back Toby Gerhart, Texas quarterback Colt McCoy, Florida quarterback (and former winner) Tim Tebow and Nebraska defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh.
The award is annually presented to college football's most outstanding player. It is by far the sport's most prestigious prize. It's also a fairly good predictor of future failure in the NFL.
In the last 20 years, only three Heisman winners have gone on to become true NFL stars: Charles Woodson (Michigan, 1997), Ricky Williams (Texas, 1998) and Carson Palmer (USC, 2002). The overwhelming majority of winners merely got a quick cup of coffee in the big leagues, then moved on to a new career. Some never even made it that far.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 12, 2009, 08:25:10 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 12, 2009, 08:20:39 PM
Looks to me like he just caught the ball on a swing pass and had just turned his momentum forward when the clip starts. He had no chance to make that guy miss.
I'm not faulting the guy for getting tackled, I'm faulting him for making no effort to get his sternum out of the path of the dude's helmet.
It looks pretty bang-bang to me. He's getting demolished before he's done catching the pass. When he made that catch, he knew he was going to get his world rocked.
Quote from: Neil on December 12, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
It looks pretty bang-bang to me. He's getting demolished before he's done catching the pass. When he made that catch, he knew he was going to get his world rocked.
He's got six steps, dude's directly in his line of vision. Go take a look at that Iowa clip from a while back for comparison. *That* was a case of the guy catching, turning, getting nuked. This dude had plenty of time to at least drop a shoulder, shuffle his feet, make a move.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 12, 2009, 10:54:40 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 12, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
It looks pretty bang-bang to me. He's getting demolished before he's done catching the pass. When he made that catch, he knew he was going to get his world rocked.
He's got six steps, dude's directly in his line of vision. Go take a look at that Iowa clip from a while back for comparison. *That* was a case of the guy catching, turning, getting nuked. This dude had plenty of time to at least drop a shoulder, shuffle his feet, make a move.
Are we watching the same clip? The ball is moving around right before he gets hit, he takes about a step and a half, and his head is still turning upfield.
Man I watched that ESPN special on 'The U'. Totally forgot how much I hated those bastards. I still remember declaring my undying hatred for Miami for all eternity as a 13 year old :P
There are very few games I enjoyed watching more than the 1993 Sugar Bowl. Naturally the 'The U' special failed to mention that one.
So Ingram won, huh?
Completely unsurprising, but this one pisses me off more than any have since the Gino Torretta one. There is no way Ingram was the best college football player this year, and I don't think it was close. I hope he takes shit in the NFL and ends up sharing a cell with his dad.
Quote from: katmai on December 12, 2009, 09:10:18 PM
I will sleep well knowing the following though.
QuoteSaturday night, the winner of the 75th Heisman Memorial Trophy Award will be announced at the Nokia Theatre Times Square. The finalists are: Alabama running back Mark Ingram, Stanford running back Toby Gerhart, Texas quarterback Colt McCoy, Florida quarterback (and former winner) Tim Tebow and Nebraska defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh.
The award is annually presented to college football’s most outstanding player. It is by far the sport’s most prestigious prize. It’s also a fairly good predictor of future failure in the NFL.
In the last 20 years, only three Heisman winners have gone on to become true NFL stars: Charles Woodson (Michigan, 1997), Ricky Williams (Texas, 1998) and Carson Palmer (USC, 2002). The overwhelming majority of winners merely got a quick cup of coffee in the big leagues, then moved on to a new career. Some never even made it that far.
It's not like they had a really super record of going on to NFL stardom before the past 20 years, either.
Quote from: katmai on December 12, 2009, 09:10:18 PM
I will sleep well knowing the following though.
QuoteSaturday night, the winner of the 75th Heisman Memorial Trophy Award will be announced at the Nokia Theatre Times Square. The finalists are: Alabama running back Mark Ingram, Stanford running back Toby Gerhart, Texas quarterback Colt McCoy, Florida quarterback (and former winner) Tim Tebow and Nebraska defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh.
The award is annually presented to college football's most outstanding player. It is by far the sport's most prestigious prize. It's also a fairly good predictor of future failure in the NFL.
In the last 20 years, only three Heisman winners have gone on to become true NFL stars: Charles Woodson (Michigan, 1997), Ricky Williams (Texas, 1998) and Carson Palmer (USC, 2002). The overwhelming majority of winners merely got a quick cup of coffee in the big leagues, then moved on to a new career. Some never even made it that far.
Who is that quote from? I think Eddie George needs to be added to the true NFL stars list, otherwise it is fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisman_Trophy_winners
74 people have won Heisman Trophies (75 have been awarded, Archie Griffin won 2).
8 have made the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
16 have been #1 picks in the NFL Draft.
In the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer. I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list. Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979. The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).
Quote from: Neil on December 12, 2009, 11:03:12 PM
Are we watching the same clip? The ball is moving around right before he gets hit, he takes about a step and a half, and his head is still turning upfield.
You're probably right. The clip plays ultra slow for me and I'm misjudging it.
Quote from: sbr on December 13, 2009, 03:02:38 AMIn the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer. I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list. Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979. The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).
And up until around 1996 or so, Vinny was still considered the greatest #1 QB draft bust of all time.
Go Wazzu!
If you can find it, watch the replay of the U on ESPN. Hilarious. Valmy will enjoy the cotton bowl part.
I fucking hate the Canes, no reason to watch a program romancing them. :ultra:
Quote from: katmai on December 13, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
I fucking hate the Canes, no reason to watch a program romancing them. :ultra:
Indeed, it was a 2 hour cocksucking session. Still hilarious though.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 13, 2009, 05:51:41 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 13, 2009, 03:02:38 AMIn the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer. I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list. Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979. The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).
And up until around 1996 or so, Vinny was still considered the greatest #1 QB draft bust of all time.
And Flutie only made a splash in the NFL after years in the minor leagues. And his effectiveness was limited by the fact that he was on a Buffalo Bills team that is certainly among the worst-coached teams in history.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 13, 2009, 05:51:41 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 13, 2009, 03:02:38 AMIn the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer. I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list. Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979. The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).
And up until around 1996 or so, Vinny was still considered the greatest #1 QB draft bust of all time.
Absolutely; but I am looking at this from right now. Vinny was not the HoF QB everyone thought he would be, but he was a pretty good QB the second decade of his career; better than any other Heisman winner until Palmer 16 years later.
Quote from: Neil on December 13, 2009, 10:43:01 AM
And Flutie only made a splash in the NFL after years in the minor leagues. And his effectiveness was limited by the fact that he was on a Buffalo Bills team that is certainly among the worst-coached teams in history.
He always played pretty well when he got a chance, his chances were just limited due to his size, and possibly because he scabbed during the 1987 strike.
Quote from: sbr on December 13, 2009, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 13, 2009, 10:43:01 AM
And Flutie only made a splash in the NFL after years in the minor leagues. And his effectiveness was limited by the fact that he was on a Buffalo Bills team that is certainly among the worst-coached teams in history.
He always played pretty well when he got a chance, his chances were just limited due to his size, and possibly because he scabbed during the 1987 strike.
Yeah, but what kind of a retard would start Rob Johnson, Robo-sack?
Quote from: sbr on December 13, 2009, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 13, 2009, 05:51:41 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 13, 2009, 03:02:38 AMIn the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer. I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list. Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979. The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).
And up until around 1996 or so, Vinny was still considered the greatest #1 QB draft bust of all time.
Absolutely; but I am looking at this from right now. Vinny was not the HoF QB everyone thought he would be, but he was a pretty good QB the second decade of his career; better than any other Heisman winner until Palmer 16 years later.
Bullshit. The QB with the best NFL career of any Heisman winner was Roger Staubach. Particularly impressive that he had to wait 4 years after getting out of college to start his pro career.
And while Heisman winners in the period of 1976-88 almost all did go on to really good NFL careers, in the Heisman's first 40 years, only Doak Walker, Paul Hornung, Staubach, and O.J. Simpson went into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and only a few others had good, but not HoF-worthy careers. Although to be fair, until the mid-to-late 50's, the NFL wasn't that big a deal, and some of the early Heisman winners had no interest in playing football professionally.
Quote from: dps on December 14, 2009, 12:12:55 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 13, 2009, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 13, 2009, 05:51:41 AM
Quote from: sbr on December 13, 2009, 03:02:38 AMIn the last 20 years there has been one #1 pick: Carson Palmer. I don't think there are any potential HoFers in the list. Prior to 1989 (Andre Ware) the Heisman Trophy winner was a pretty good pro: Barry Sanders, Tim Brown, Vinny Testaverde, Bo Jackson, Doug Flutie, Herschel Walker, Marcus Allen and George Rodgers were among winners from 1989-1979. The only ones who didn't make a big splash in the NFL were Mike Rozier (injury) and Charles White (cocaine).
And up until around 1996 or so, Vinny was still considered the greatest #1 QB draft bust of all time.
Absolutely; but I am looking at this from right now. Vinny was not the HoF QB everyone thought he would be, but he was a pretty good QB the second decade of his career; better than any other Heisman winner until Palmer 16 years later.
Bullshit. The QB with the best NFL career of any Heisman winner was Roger Staubach. Particularly impressive that he had to wait 4 years after getting out of college to start his pro career.
You are right, I wrote that sentence wrong. I meant to say any Heisman trophy winner after him, until Palmer 16 years later.
Quote from: Valmy on December 12, 2009, 09:08:03 PM
Yep. East Coast bias big time. You know the whole South East made damn sure nobody from the West would beat one of their favored sons.
I think it's more player-on-undefeated-team bias. Besides, as the commentators pointed out, Ingram won in the Midwest and Northeast regions as well.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 14, 2009, 12:33:45 PM
I think it's more player-on-undefeated-team bias. Besides, as the commentators pointed out, Ingram won in the Midwest and Northeast regions as well.
So you are telling the fact the East voted for Ingram is proof that it was not East Coast bias? This is not quite on Gino Torreta over Marshall Faulk levels of East Coast bias but it was pretty bad.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 14, 2009, 12:33:45 PM
I think it's more player-on-undefeated-team bias. Besides, as the commentators pointed out, Ingram won in the Midwest and Northeast regions as well.
I don't think Gerhart got very much media exposure outside of the West/Southwest until the very end of the season.
Big 10 wants to expand to become Big 12 part deux.
Considering taking shitty Big 12 school Missouri: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/The-Big-Ten-wants-to-expand-at-last-But-to-whe?urn=ncaaf,208264#remaining-content
If they take them off our hands I say we throw in Iowa State as a two-fer.
Hoo boy. It won't be Mizzou. The only one that totally makes sense is Notre Dame, but they won't join.
Quote from: Valmy on December 14, 2009, 12:43:48 PM
So you are telling the fact the East voted for Ingram is proof that it was not East Coast bias? This is not quite on Gino Torreta over Marshall Faulk levels of East Coast bias but it was pretty bad.
I think there was regional bias everywhere, including the West, but I don't think that's the main thing that won Ingram votes in Chicago or Philly. Though considering how close it was, any factor contributing votes to Ingram *could* be labeled decisive, I think the teams' records is the one I'd choose.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 14, 2009, 01:57:48 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 14, 2009, 12:43:48 PM
So you are telling the fact the East voted for Ingram is proof that it was not East Coast bias? This is not quite on Gino Torreta over Marshall Faulk levels of East Coast bias but it was pretty bad.
I think there was regional bias everywhere, including the West, but I don't think that's the main thing that won Ingram votes in Chicago or Philly. Though considering how close it was, any factor contributing votes to Ingram *could* be labeled decisive, I think the teams' records is the one I'd choose.
I always find the "teams record" thing rather stupid when it comes to individual awards.
If you are comparing stats, and one players stats are better than the others, but the other was on a better team....doesn't that actually say a lot more for the guy who was NOT on the #1 overall team in the country?
Of course the real reason is that Gerhart is from the West. Nothing to do with anything other than that - it's not like it was any secret how good he was out here, although of course the press did not notice him until they could no longer ignore him.
If I had a vote I would have a hard time giving it to a guy named Toby.
Quote from: Berkut on December 14, 2009, 02:10:48 PM
I always find the "teams record" thing rather stupid when it comes to individual awards.
If you are comparing stats, and one players stats are better than the others, but the other was on a better team....doesn't that actually say a lot more for the guy who was NOT on the #1 overall team in the country?
I'm not sure the team records say much either way. Alabama's defense was a hell of a lot better than Stanford's, and that has nothing to do with Ingram and Gerhart. But it's the kind of thing voters latch on to.
Quote from: Berkut on December 14, 2009, 02:10:48 PM
I always find the "teams record" thing rather stupid when it comes to individual awards.
If you are comparing stats, and one players stats are better than the others, but the other was on a better team....doesn't that actually say a lot more for the guy who was NOT on the #1 overall team in the country?
Of course the real reason is that Gerhart is from the West. Nothing to do with anything other than that - it's not like it was any secret how good he was out here, although of course the press did not notice him until they could no longer ignore him.
Agree, but would also add that West Coast players have won Heisman trophies before. In this case, i would argue that the fact that Gerhart was playing for a team traditionally seen as a patsy that hurt the most. Had he been playing for Northwestern, he would have faced the same problem (i.e. "if he was really that good, why didn't a good team land him?")
Jim Harbaugh staying at Stanford through 2014
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-stanford-harbaugh&prov=ap&type=lgns (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-stanford-harbaugh&prov=ap&type=lgns)
:cheers: I reckon we know of at least one school whose offer he can, by contract, accept in spite of this deal. Stanford gets better next year, and they stash my choice to run the Michigan program for another year. That is win-win, baby!
Quote from: grumbler on December 14, 2009, 02:28:47 PM
Jim Harbaugh staying at Stanford through 2014
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-stanford-harbaugh&prov=ap&type=lgns (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-stanford-harbaugh&prov=ap&type=lgns)
:cheers: I reckon we know of at least one school whose offer he can, by contract, accept in spite of this deal. Stanford gets better next year, and they stash my choice to run the Michigan program for another year. That is win-win, baby!
The flaw in your plan is that RichRod has to languish and continue to be bad, thus failing to redeem himself.
Quote from: Valmy on December 14, 2009, 01:33:13 PM
Big 10 wants to expand to become Big 12 part deux.
Considering taking shitty Big 12 school Missouri: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/The-Big-Ten-wants-to-expand-at-last-But-to-whe?urn=ncaaf,208264#remaining-content
If they take them off our hands I say we throw in Iowa State as a two-fer.
As long as they don't raid the MAC, it might be okay.
I won't like the GAME not being the end all, be all in the conference as it usually is.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 14, 2009, 01:39:34 PM
Hoo boy. It won't be Mizzou. The only one that totally makes sense is Notre Dame, but they won't join.
Actually, Pitt might kinda make sense as a rival for Penn State.
Locker staying for his senior year at Washington: http://washington.scout.com/2/929008.html
Quote from: Valmy on December 14, 2009, 04:39:46 PM
Locker staying for his senior year at Washington: http://washington.scout.com/2/929008.html
Wow. Can't say I blame him, but on the other hand, it seems very foolish.
Quote from: Berkut on December 14, 2009, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 14, 2009, 04:39:46 PM
Locker staying for his senior year at Washington: http://washington.scout.com/2/929008.html
Wow. Can't say I blame him, but on the other hand, it seems very foolish.
He likes playing in college, he already has a pro contract with the Angels, so i'm sure can afford to take out a fat insurance policy. It will be a very interesting season in 2010 for Huskies, as they only lose two of the starting 11 on Offense. (Fullback and one OL)
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 14, 2009, 02:55:50 PM
The flaw in your plan is that RichRod has to languish and continue to be bad, thus failing to redeem himself.
How is that a flaw? It is just a fact. This year's Michigan team was no better than last year's, it just had an easier schedule. RichRod appears to completely lack any talent for actual coaching (though I don't question that he is a smart guy who knows the theory cold).
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 14, 2009, 04:34:35 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 14, 2009, 01:39:34 PM
Hoo boy. It won't be Mizzou. The only one that totally makes sense is Notre Dame, but they won't join.
Actually, Pitt might kinda make sense as a rival for Penn State.
Agreed. Doesn't add any markets, though.
Dunno if all this talk isn't just to stampede ND into joining, though. While that would be ideal, ND needs the B10 more than vice-versa, and the B10 cannot wait on them forever.
Remember when Texas was talking about joining the Big Ten?
Those were exciting days! Other than the travel issues, that would have been pretty much ideal. Texas is a Big Ten type of school.
Hey Berkie a few more tidbits about Locker staying
Quote-- Sarkisian said Locker feels he has "unfinished work'' at UW and that was a major part of the factor. He also said the information about the length and success of the NFL careers of QBs who enter the draft early was a major factor in Locker's decision. He also said the success of the last two games was critical. "That painted a picture for him of where we are headed and what we are capable of doing,'' Sarkisian said.
-- He said Locker will have an insurance policy next season. Those are paid for by the family not the school
Quote from: katmai on December 14, 2009, 09:52:39 PM
Hey Berkie a few more tidbits about Locker staying
Quote-- Sarkisian said Locker feels he has "unfinished work'' at UW and that was a major part of the factor. He also said the information about the length and success of the NFL careers of QBs who enter the draft early was a major factor in Locker's decision. He also said the success of the last two games was critical. "That painted a picture for him of where we are headed and what we are capable of doing,'' Sarkisian said.
-- He said Locker will have an insurance policy next season. Those are paid for by the family not the school
I hate to see Locker come back as a Duck fan but it is the right decision. There just aren't many successful QB who leave school early, I can't think of one except Aaron Rodgers.
Quote from: sbr on December 14, 2009, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 14, 2009, 09:52:39 PM
Hey Berkie a few more tidbits about Locker staying
Quote-- Sarkisian said Locker feels he has "unfinished work'' at UW and that was a major part of the factor. He also said the information about the length and success of the NFL careers of QBs who enter the draft early was a major factor in Locker's decision. He also said the success of the last two games was critical. "That painted a picture for him of where we are headed and what we are capable of doing,'' Sarkisian said.
-- He said Locker will have an insurance policy next season. Those are paid for by the family not the school
I hate to see Locker come back as a Duck fan but it is the right decision. There just aren't many successful QB who leave school early, I can't think of one except Aaron Rodgers.
I'm sure the article by former Huskie QB Hugh Millen about the relative lack of success of junior QB's that ran in the Times last week didn't hurt. :D
Quote from: katmai on December 14, 2009, 10:02:03 PM
Quote from: sbr on December 14, 2009, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 14, 2009, 09:52:39 PM
Hey Berkie a few more tidbits about Locker staying
Quote-- Sarkisian said Locker feels he has "unfinished work'' at UW and that was a major part of the factor. He also said the information about the length and success of the NFL careers of QBs who enter the draft early was a major factor in Locker's decision. He also said the success of the last two games was critical. "That painted a picture for him of where we are headed and what we are capable of doing,'' Sarkisian said.
-- He said Locker will have an insurance policy next season. Those are paid for by the family not the school
I hate to see Locker come back as a Duck fan but it is the right decision. There just aren't many successful QB who leave school early, I can't think of one except Aaron Rodgers.
I'm sure the article by former Huskie QB Hugh Millen about the relative lack of success of junior QB's that ran in the Times last week didn't hurt. :D
I didn't see it; Seattle Times?
EDIT There is no Seattle Times is there?
Quote from: sbr on December 14, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
I didn't see it; Seattle Times?
EDIT There is no Seattle Times is there?
Yah the Seattle Times....one sec i'll link it
Quote
Percentages say Jake Locker should return to Washington
Some 73 percent of high-profile quarterbacks leaving college early didn't succeed in NFL.
By Hugh Millen
Special to The Seattle Times
Hugh Millen, a former Washington quarterback, is an analyst at KJR Radio 950 and KCPQ TV. After being named MVP of the New England Patriots in 1991, he signed what was then the largest contract in club history. After 11 years in the NFL, he was the career completion percentage leader for the Patriots and the Denver Broncos.
Some day my grandchildren will ask me what I remember about Jake Locker. I will reply that watching him play football was nothing less than breathtaking. That he could run like Hugh McElhenny and throw like Warren Moon. That he was, simply, the most talented Washington football player I ever saw.
Whether dragging six defenders into the Boise State end zone or slamming a Notre Dame defender to the turf with a stiff-arm-gone-postal, the only thing that equaled Locker's talent was his ferocious competitiveness. And his character.
"But wait, Grampa," they'll interrupt, "tell us about his NFL career."
Before that narrative can be told, Locker has perhaps the decision of his life. I believe he has earned the right to set aside every Husky's desire for him to return and to act in the interests of himself and his family. Still, by doing so, the choice isn't the money grab of April's draft.
The choice is Washington.
When Locker announces his decision, we will learn how he prioritizes three values: 1) money; 2) the thrill of high-level quarterbacking; 3) the memories he takes and the legacy he leaves from his Washington experience.
And we will learn how he manages the risk of two threats — injury and failure.
Locker is projected to be a top-10 pick in this spring's draft after never having been even second-team All-Pac-10 because of his measurable talent and vast improvement in only one season under Steve Sarkisian. If the NFL is this mesmerized by his skill set, then it is almost inconceivable that a second year with Sarkisian would leave Locker unclaimed in 2011's first round.
Because a rookie wage scale would likely affect only the top 10 to 15 picks, a quarterback taken that year at No. 32 would still be slotted at about $12 million.
The injury potential takes two forms: career-ending and career-changing. Insurance can mitigate career-ending.
Sam Bradford's recent shoulder separation is the example many will use to advise juniors to leave school early. Yet history indicates that the Oklahoma QB's injury is both rare and surmountable. Of the 252 senior quarterbacks drafted in the last 20 years, CBSSportsline.com draft expert Rob Rang cites just 13 who suffered injuries as seniors. In all instances, the impact on draft status was minimal.
Recall that Miami running back Willis McGahee completely powdered his left knee, yet recovered to be the 23rd overall pick four months later. Bradford will see his payday.
Thus one near-certainty emerges: Regardless of when Locker elects to enter the NFL draft, he already has achieved what could be termed Stage 1 financial security.
That's an appropriate first objective for Locker, but the dizzying contracts granted today's top draftees is a whole different cut of meat. Stage 2 security in the form of $30 million guaranteed seems irresistible.
Stage 1 allows a football retiree to golf every day. Stage 2 allows him to fly his helicopter to the course. But attain Stage 3 wealth and he can buy his grandkids a fleet of choppers and a string of golf courses.
With their rich rookie contracts, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb and Philip Rivers made sure they would never miss a meal. But their subsequent performance at young ages resulted in each of them signing contract extensions north of $100 million.
The 9.2 percent average annual increase in the NFL salary cap (9.6 percent last year) since it was instituted in 1994 is another factor. Applying that rate, if Locker were to duplicate Rivers' early career, his future would be as follows: fourth overall pick of the 2011 draft, one Pro Bowl and no Super Bowl. And in August 2016, on the eve of his sixth season, Locker would sign a seven-year, $183 million contract with $71 million guaranteed.
A vast fortune awaits Locker if he plays well.
Yet many junior quarterbacks who enter the NFL don't. Since 1980, only 27 percent of junior QBs drafted in the top 15 succeeded (see accompanying chart) while the success rate for top-15 seniors is 62 percent. The list of juniors is filled with conference players of the year and All-Americans. And that same list is filled with career backups and washouts. Players such as Tim Couch, Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, Andre Ware and Timm Rosenbach were all out of the league in four years or less.
Would those juniors have succeeded had they stayed one more year in college? Unknowable, of course, but a critical question Locker must ask himself: Will he be better prepared for the NFL with one more year at Washington?
Locker was prodigious in high school but constrained by the wing-T offense. His quarterback coach for his first three years at Washington was former collegiate running back Tim Lappano. Predictably, the timing and precision so vital to an effective passing game was never demanded. Seam routes completed 28 yards downfield during practice — when the depth should be 18 to 22 to beat the safety — would be greeted with a high-five for Locker and a comment from Lappano, "nice throw."
After two seasons Locker's completion percentage was below 50 percent and some analysts suggested he move to safety.
A year later, Locker's ascension has been astounding. But is he truly NFL-ready?
Locker will learn at the next level that it's sink or swim in a fast-moving river. His occasional scampers will put stress on a defense but he will make his living with his feet planted 5 yards behind the center. From there he will be asked to process information quickly, anticipate eye-blink openings in a defense and deliver the football accurately and consistently.
If it were easy, 73 percent of those juniors wouldn't fail.
If it's prudent to consider the Bradford example, then it isn't cynical to consider those juniors who failed.
And if Locker were to fail, I believe it would take a chunk out of him that his stockbroker could never fill.
When I watch Locker I wonder what, down even to the cellular level, makes his muscles fire so quickly. As mostly a journeyman backup, I seldom experienced the thrill of quarterbacking at peak-level. But it is intoxicating. With one decision, Locker can more than double his chances of experiencing that great thrill over a memorable pro career.
This gift he was given, he can now give back. Returning to Washington is an extraordinary opportunity for Jake Locker to give. To his teammates. To Husky Nation. But primarily to himself.
Quotehttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2010457556_lockerchart09.html
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Quote from: sbr on December 14, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
I didn't see it; Seattle Times?
EDIT There is no Seattle Times is there?
Yah the Seattle Times....one sec i'll link it
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Thanks. That is a good article and matches my thoughts the last few years; I wonder how long until NFL GMs realize the same trends. :rolleyes:
I didn't realize Ben Roethlisberger left school early too.
I think it is a bit unfair to Timm Rosenbach, his body gave out, had nothing to do with when he left school.
Yeah Rosenbach was decent ...for a Cougar.
Quote from: grumbler on December 14, 2009, 06:06:20 PM
Remember when Texas was talking about joining the Big Ten? Those were exciting days! Other than the travel issues, that would have been pretty much ideal. Texas is a Big Ten type of school.
Believe me it is the fondest wish of many of the alumni to be in the Big 10 or PAC 10 but unfortunately it is an impossibility. For better or ill Texas' fortunes are tethered to the Big 12 indefinitely.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 14, 2009, 01:39:34 PM
The only one that totally makes sense is Notre Dame, but they won't join.
That would be the only thing that would give ND any possible chance to return to national competitiveness. Until then, they'll continue to be an overrated MAC team that plays the academies.
Quote from: grumbler on December 14, 2009, 06:06:20 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 14, 2009, 04:34:35 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 14, 2009, 01:39:34 PM
Hoo boy. It won't be Mizzou. The only one that totally makes sense is Notre Dame, but they won't join.
Actually, Pitt might kinda make sense as a rival for Penn State.
Texas is a Big Ten type of school.
How so? Texas is actually good. (though evil)
Idaho equals Pac-10 in AP All-American Output; SEC has 11 players
QB Colt McCoy (Texas)
RB Toby Gerhart (Stanford), Mark Ingram (Alabama)
WR Golden Tate (Notre Dame), Jordan Shipley (Texas)
T Russell Okung (Oklahoma State), Trent Williams (Oklahoma)
G Michael Johnson (Alabama), Mike Iupati (Idaho)
C J.D. Walton (Baylor)
TE Aaron Hernandez (Florida)
All-purpose player C.J. Spiller (Clemson)
K Leigh Tiffin (Alabama)
DE Jerry Hughes (TCU), Derrick Morgan (Georgia Tech)
DT Ndamukong Suh (Nebraska), Terrence Cody (Alabama)
LB Rolando McClain (Alabama), Greg Jones (Michigan State), Eric Norwood (South Carolina)
CB Joe Haden (Florida), Javier Arenas (Alabama)
S Earl Thomas (Texas), Eric Berry (Tennessee)
P Drew Butler (Georgia)
Yeah, but isn't the SEC incredibly overrated?
Quote from: Neil on December 15, 2009, 08:22:49 PM
Yeah, but isn't the SEC incredibly overrated?
Well more than half of the 11 are from Alabama.
The Oregon State Beavers are close to an agreement to play TCU in the new Cowboy stadium to open next season.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=126088489493742500
One more reason the Pac-10 is the best conference around.
Quote• It's not a done deal, but it's going to happen. Oregon State and Texas Christian will square off next Sept. 4 at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, in the 2010 season opener for both schools.
"We're still negotiating with ESPN, but I would hope in the next two weeks we'll be able to get this thing accomplished," Oregon State Athletic Director Bob De Carolis said Monday.
De Carolis was approached about a month ago by ESPN about doing the nationally televised game as part of the network's first Saturday coverage.
The game would replace Oregon State's scheduled opener with Eastern Washington. ESPN is helping find the Eagles another opponent.
"It's looking good, but there are still some things that need to come together," De Carolis says.
The game is attractive to Oregon State for several reasons.
One is money. The payout is at least $300,000, with the potential to reach nearly $1 million – the amount the school's athletic budget figures to be deficient for the 2009-10 academic year.
Two, it's a way for OSU stars James and Jacquizz Rodgers – who hail from Richmond, Texas, about a four-hour drive from Dallas – to play a college game in their home state.
Three, a victory over the Horned Frogs – 12-0 and ranked third in this week's Associated Press poll – would be one of the biggest in school history.
"If you're fortunate to pull off a win, you're in the national conversation," De Carolis says. "It also helps the players focus in getting ready for the season through the summer. I remember the focus before we opened at LSU" in 2004.
Oregon State lost that one 22-21 in overtime against the nation's No. 3-ranked team, the game in which Alexis Serna made his college debut by missing three extra points. The Beavers were that close to one of the biggest upsets in OSU athletic annals.
De Carolis consulted coach Mike Riley before beginning negotiations.
"We've wanted to take the Rodgers brothers back to Texas for a game before James graduates," Riley says. "This is our last chance to do that. Plus, I've always liked the big games, and it's a lifetime experience to play in that stadium. I said go for it."
It's a gamble. Oregon State has had a rash of early-season nonconference losses – many of them by lopsided counts – over the last six seasons. The Beavers' nonconference schedule will now include Louisville at home, a game at Boise State and what amounts to a home game for TCU.
Louisville was 4-8 this season and will have a new coach next season, former Florida defensive coordinator Charlie Strong. Boise State is 13-0 and ranked No. 6. You know about TCU.
It will be one of the toughest schedules in the country and one of the most ambitious in Oregon State history, but it's worth it. The Beavers return 19 starters next season and shouldn't be blown out by any opponent. They'll gain much more by a close loss to TCU – which returns 18 starters from this year's team – than from a blowout victory over Eastern Washington.
How many SEC teams would schedule up?
Sbr,
The new Cowboys stadium opened this year;
Katmai,
Plenty. For example, this year and last year, Alabama opened the season with neutral site games against top 20 teams.
Plenty? that is only one team :P
Quote from: stjaba on December 15, 2009, 09:08:17 PM
Sbr,
The new Cowboys stadium opened this year;
:lol: I keep doing that. It would be to open the season for both teams, not the stadium.
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2009, 09:22:50 PM
Plenty? that is only one team :P
Georgia had Tech, Ok St and Az St this year.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 15, 2009, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2009, 09:22:50 PM
Plenty? that is only one team :P
Georgia had Tech, Ok St and Az St this year.
And those were all games that were re-scheduled from original games vs non-bcs or Div-1AA(BCS naming be damned!) teams
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2009, 09:56:33 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 15, 2009, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2009, 09:22:50 PM
Plenty? that is only one team :P
Georgia had Tech, Ok St and Az St this year.
And those were all games that were re-scheduled from original games vs non-bcs or Div-1AA(BCS naming be damned!) teams
Now you're just making stuff up, Georgia plays Georgia Tech every year. And Oklahoma State was a home and away, so I doubt that was a replacement game.
Quote from: stjaba on December 15, 2009, 10:08:17 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2009, 09:56:33 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 15, 2009, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2009, 09:22:50 PM
Plenty? that is only one team :P
Georgia had Tech, Ok St and Az St this year.
And those were all games that were re-scheduled from original games vs non-bcs or Div-1AA(BCS naming be damned!) teams
Now you're just making stuff up, Georgia plays Georgia Tech every year. And Oklahoma State was a home and away, so I doubt that was a replacement game.
I'm not making anything up, i'm asking how often do SEC teams change their already set schedule and go for a bigger team and not a Div-1AA?
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2009, 10:10:23 PM
I'm not making anything up, i'm asking how often do SEC teams change their already set schedule and go for a bigger team and not a Div-1AA?
What game in the "already set schedule" does this one replace?
Quote from: grumbler on December 15, 2009, 10:21:44 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2009, 10:10:23 PM
I'm not making anything up, i'm asking how often do SEC teams change their already set schedule and go for a bigger team and not a Div-1AA?
What game in the "already set schedule" does this one replace?
Well as the article says Oregon St is leaving it's game vs Eastern Washington to play TCU.
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2009, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 15, 2009, 10:21:44 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 15, 2009, 10:10:23 PM
I'm not making anything up, i'm asking how often do SEC teams change their already set schedule and go for a bigger team and not a Div-1AA?
What game in the "already set schedule" does this one replace?
Well as the article says Oregon St is leaving it's game vs Eastern Washington to play TCU.
Ah, so it does. The ESPN thing threw me off, but it is clear.
Bully for OSU.
Misunderstood your point Kat, sorry.
Quote from: grumbler on December 15, 2009, 10:34:50 PM
Ah, so it does. The ESPN thing threw me off, but it is clear.
Bully for OSU.
Yeah my one disappointment with Sarkisian as coach is cancelling the home and home with BYU after next year to go play Eastern Washington in 2011 breaking that tradition of scheduling only D-1 teams. (and still need to find a game for 2012)
Next year the Non conference games are
@BYU, Syracuse, Nebraska
2011
Eastern Washington, Hawaii, @ Nebraska
2012
Unschedule/open, Nevada, @LSU
Quote from: stjaba on December 15, 2009, 10:51:16 PM
Misunderstood your point Kat, sorry.
I know you are good people, and i was taking a dig at SEC OOC I won't deny :P
Quote from: stjaba on December 15, 2009, 08:20:22 PM
T Russell Okung (Oklahoma State), Trent Williams (Oklahoma)
C J.D. Walton (Baylor)
LOLZ it must have been a bad year for offensive linemen.
Cincy took Central Michigan's coach again. :lol: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4746710
I guess that works out for Cincinnati, since it's basically the same offense. Central needs to take Grand Valley State's coach again now to complete the cycle.
Valmy, your unwavering support paid off, notice in the paper for the Duell!
http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2009/12/16/sports/20sports_12-16-09.txt (http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2009/12/16/sports/20sports_12-16-09.txt)
Way to go Cuz!
I am definitely going to be watching Wyoming destroy the mangy mutts of Fresno this Saturday and I know Duell will be cheering just as loud while standing on the bench like a warrior man!
Good god, when Wyoming qualifies for a bowl game you know there are too many games.
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:30:30 AM
Good god, when Wyoming qualifies for a bowl game you know there are too many games.
:( not enough to let a 5-win team in...
Quote from: PDH on December 16, 2009, 10:32:25 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:30:30 AM
Good god, when Wyoming qualifies for a bowl game you know there are too many games.
:( not enough to let a 5-win team in...
Yeah those 6 wins vs the likes of Weber, SDSU and Florida Atlantic leave me impressed :ultra:
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:37:07 AM
Quote from: PDH on December 16, 2009, 10:32:25 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:30:30 AM
Good god, when Wyoming qualifies for a bowl game you know there are too many games.
:( not enough to let a 5-win team in...
Yeah those 6 wins vs the likes of Weber, SDSU and Florida Atlantic leave me impressed :ultra:
HEY! We beat a team that had a coach who once won a national championship at another school more than 20 years ago!
edit - and we HAVE to play SDSU...
Well good luck to you this weekend, but aren't you and Fresno in the same Conference?
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:46:56 AM
Well good luck to you this weekend, but aren't you and Fresno in the same Conference?
:ultra: Damn you and all you BCS ignoramuses to hell!
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:30:30 AM
Good god, when Wyoming qualifies for a bowl game you know there are too many games.
Jealous?
Of course he is. The REAL UDub goes to a bowl game (to get smoked by Fresno)!
Quote from: PDH on December 16, 2009, 10:49:51 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:46:56 AM
Well good luck to you this weekend, but aren't you and Fresno in the same Conference?
:ultra: Damn you and all you BCS ignoramuses to hell!
It's just I remember them in same Conference from back in the 90's!
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:37:07 AM
Yeah those 6 wins vs the likes of Weber, SDSU and Florida Atlantic leave me impressed :ultra:
I don't see anything wrong with scheduling Weber State, San Diego State, and Florida Atlantic :whistle:
I mean they could have really stepped it up and scheduled Louisiana Monroe, Central Florida, and UTEP but that can wait for when Wyoming really hits the big time.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2009, 10:53:51 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:37:07 AM
Yeah those 6 wins vs the likes of Weber, SDSU and Florida Atlantic leave me impressed :ultra:
I don't see anything wrong with scheduling Weber State, San Diego State, and Florida Atlantic :whistle:
You disgust me Longhorn.
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:55:13 AM
You disgust me Longhorn.
Put Portland State on the schedule. You know you want to.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2009, 10:56:58 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:55:13 AM
You disgust me Longhorn.
Put Portland State on the schedule. You know you want to.
Fuck no, I already said last night I was sorry to see Eastern Washington on the schedule for 2011.
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:55:13 AM
You disgust me Longhorn.
The Longhorns get nothing but love around here, actually coming to Laramie to play earns a lot of kudos...hell, people living here don't want to come here.
Quote from: PDH on December 16, 2009, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:55:13 AM
You disgust me Longhorn.
The Longhorns get nothing but love around here, actually coming to Laramie to play earns a lot of kudos...hell, people living here don't want to come here.
The only school I'd give UT shit for scheduling is UL-M. Pinche Sun Belt :rolleyes:
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:57:53 AM
Fuck no, I already said last night I was sorry to see Eastern Washington on the schedule for 2011.
If only you knew the POWER of the darkside. Join us in the Big 12 and SEC PAC-10, strike DOWN the small schools and unleash your anger and hatred in lopsided beat downs. Then you to can point to your inflated record against rule the galaxy as the BEST CONFERENCE EVAH! Then CBS will give you a huge contract.
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 11:00:50 AM
The only school I'd give UT shit for scheduling is UL-M. Pinche Sun Belt :rolleyes:
Really? Because compared to UTEP UL-M is a powerhouse.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2009, 11:03:24 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 11:00:50 AM
The only school I'd give UT shit for scheduling is UL-M. Pinche Sun Belt :rolleyes:
Really? Because compared to UTEP UL-M is a powerhouse.
They beat Houston this year, UL-M's biggest win was for Florida Atlantic :P
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2009, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:57:53 AM
Fuck no, I already said last night I was sorry to see Eastern Washington on the schedule for 2011.
If only you knew the POWER of the darkside. Join us in the Big 12 and SEC PAC-10, strike DOWN the small schools and unleash your anger and hatred in lopsided beat downs. Then you to can point to your inflated record against rule the galaxy as the BEST CONFERENCE EVAH! Then CBS will give you a huge contract.
Don't even lump the Pac-10 in with the SEC and Big-10 and their patsy schedules.
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2009, 11:08:52 AM
Don't even lump the Pac-10 in with the SEC and Big-10 and their patsy schedules.
Um...I was trying to tempt the PAC-10 into having patsy schedules. Darth Big 12 doing that would indicate to most people I am not lumping them in with the rest of us.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2009, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2009, 11:08:52 AM
Don't even lump the Pac-10 in with the SEC and Big-10 and their patsy schedules.
Um...I was trying to tempt the PAC-10 into having patsy schedules. Darth Big 12 doing that would indicate to most people I am not lumping them in with the rest of us.
Your jedi mind tricks won't work on us!
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 11:12:31 AM
Your jedi mind tricks won't work on us!
This is not the OOC schedule you are looking for. Move along to scheduling Eastern Washington.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2009, 10:53:51 AM
I don't see anything wrong with scheduling Weber State, San Diego State, and Florida Atlantic :whistle:
You know, if Texas really did join the B10, the OOC schedule would probably have to be: Oklahoma, A&M and T Tech. The Longhorns would always be at the top of the SoS rankings. ;)
Call Bill from Sinton. Tell him.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 16, 2009, 12:22:44 PM
You know, if Texas really did join the B10, the OOC schedule would probably have to be: Oklahoma, A&M and T Tech. The Longhorns would always be at the top of the SoS rankings. ;)
Call Bill from Sinton. Tell him.
Sorry man. Us leaving the Big 12 would disrupt the gravy train for A&M, Tech, and Baylor and the two former are politically powerful institutions and Texas is still a public school. Not going anywhere.
You know, if I was an AD, I'd actually like to schedule tough OOC opponents. For example, if I was a Big East AD, and had to schedule 5 OOC games, ideally I'd like to schedule 1 from each of the other BCS conferences. Of course, I probably wouldn't keep my job long, unless I cheated and the 5 teams were Vandy, Duke, Washington State, Indiana, and any Big 12 North school.
Speaking of OOC scheduling and the Big East, it looks like Syracuse knew the Big 10 was going to consider expansion again and used their first 3 OOC games as a test run.
Quote from: dps on December 16, 2009, 05:01:43 PM
You know, if I was an AD, I'd actually like to schedule tough OOC opponents. For example, if I was a Big East AD, and had to schedule 5 OOC games, ideally I'd like to schedule 1 from each of the other BCS conferences. Of course, I probably wouldn't keep my job long, unless I cheated and the 5 teams were Vandy, Duke, Washington State, Indiana, and any Big 12 North school.
Speaking of OOC scheduling and the Big East, it looks like Syracuse knew the Big 10 was going to consider expansion again and used their first 3 OOC games as a test run.
Hey, they beat Northwestern! :P
Seriously though, if you were an AD, your state's politicians that pay your bills would be pressuring you to schedule Northwest West Virginia Automotive Tech so the game's receipts could bankroll their athletic program's Title 9 teams. You'd wind up compromising and scheduling Marshall, one tough opponent and one I-AA.
I, for one, look forward to UT scheduling UTSA as one of their OOC tune up games. I get to see the Horns play for cheap as fuck, Texas gets a W, and UTSA's athletic budget is set for a while.
Actually, I kinda wonder if their first game will be against some Div 2 patsy (probably a loss to the local D2 school haha), a crushing loss to a bigtime state school for the money, or just a regular game (loss) vs a 1AA team. They're starting out independent, so no conference schedule or anything. How do these things usually get started?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 16, 2009, 05:17:25 PM
Hey, they beat Northwestern! :P
I never see them as a joke in the Big-Ten schedules. They have a bad habit of screwing over a Big Ten team.
Indiana now, there is a joke. The stadium remodel is nice though.
Notes from Seattle Times blog covering UW football talking with Jake Locker's dad.
Quote"He called me pretty much first thing Monday morning and said he was writing a paper, and then we yakked a little bit and he said 'yeah, I've decided what I'm going to do,''' Scott Locker said. "I knew at that point what his decision was going to be.''
Scott Locker said his first reaction was to ask if Jake didn't want to wait to see what the NFL Advisory Committee would say.
"He said 'that's really not part of it for me, Dad. It really doesn't matter where they had me,''' Scott Locker said.
Instead, what Jake Locker told his father is that what was important was that "I want to go back and play one more year of college and experience it to the fullest so I can be there for the full time and then move on to basically getting a job and doing what I'm meant to do.''
In fact, Scott Locker said money and draft positioning was never really a big part of their discussions --- and which means that so much of the great debate that has ensued since about whether or not he made the right decision is irrelevant in terms of why the decision was made.
"The only bit of conversation we had even involving the money part was that the amount of money that people talk about with pro sports today is so big that either way, whatever happens with the (labor agreement), there's always going to be money there, and money that's better than the every day guy that goes out and gets a job,'' he said.
"He's got faith in the way things work in the world, that if you do the right things and do what you love and work hard at what you do, that good things will happen to you. He believes in the guys around him and the coaching staff. He thinks he's in a really good situation, and I agree with him in that.''
So Scott Locker said the final year won't be spent worrying about whether the decision turns out to be "right'' in the perception of others.
"His security, I believe, is not going to really be that much in question from a lot of angles,'' he said. "He's got a lot of options sports-wise (including his baseball contract with the Angels) and he'll get out of school with a degree. If the sport thing didn't end up working out, he's a winner and a survivor and he will find a way to make it work.''
The manner in which the season ended also played a role in Locker's decision.
"I really believe the team part of it was a big part of it for him,'' Scott said. "He's a team guy --- that's been the way he's been since he's been a kid. He knows no one can carry a squad and the team getting better and being more successful at the end of the year, I think that had a lot to do with it and that there's a lot of hope there that these boys can get it rolling.''
Ultimately, though, he kept coming back to simply not wanting to leave UW right now and end his college years.
"One of the main things we talked about is that Jake has always finished everything he has started,'' Scott Locker said. "Not that I would have viewed that as quitting anything, but I think he would have viewed it as that, as kind of having unfinished stuff he would like to accomplish here. And the thing about this situation is he can still end up going to the NFL, it'll just be a year later. But you can never really go back and go to college for the college experience and the friendships and relationships that you have --- you can't go back to that. I think that's really important to him because he's a relationship kind of guy. I think he wanted to be true to his initial commitment and true to his self, and ultimately it was an easy call to him.''
I hope Locker has a terrible senior season that doesn't hurt his NFL draft stock. ;)
I hope Locker does incredible for every game until Arizona comes along, and then all the bad kharma from their illegitimate win this year comes back on them and they get crushed.
It would even be ok if that was their only loss all year.
Duron Carter out of the Rose Bowl. Academically ineligible.
Fucking idiot.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 17, 2009, 03:37:10 PM
Duron Carter out of the Rose Bowl. Academically ineligible.
Fucking idiot.
They're just making excuses for the butt-kicking they will get.
Everybody excited for the big game? I predict it will always be remembered at the best game ever played...between Wyoming and Fresno State....in New Mexico...
I can see it now...4th and goal from the 1...Wyoming down 5...3 seconds left...all the other running backs injured...Dave Christensen brings in legendary talent Duell Petsch who takes the hand off and plunges heroically into the line...
Quote from: Valmy on December 18, 2009, 12:08:01 PM
Everybody excited for the big game? I predict it will always be remembered at the best game ever played...between Wyoming and Fresno State....in New Mexico...
I can see it now...4th and goal from the 1...Wyoming down 5...all the other running backs injured...Dave Christensen brings in legendary talent Duell Petsch who takes the hand off and plunges heroically into the line...
You just made that name up.
Quote from: katmai on December 18, 2009, 12:10:32 PM
You just made that name up.
My family is known for having amazing football talent, not good names.
Quote from Rivals: "Is Wyoming one of the worst bowl teams ever? Maybe."
THAT is what makes this game spellbinding!
9/05 Weber State 1-0 (0-0) W 29-22
9/12 No. 2 Texas 1-1 (0-0) L 41-10
9/19 @ Colorado 1-2 (0-0) L 24-0
9/26 UNLV 2-2 (1-0) W 30-27
10/03 @ Florida Atlantic 3-2 (1-0) W 30-28
10/10 New Mexico 4-2 (2-0) W 37-13
10/17 @ Air Force 4-3 (2-1) L 10-0
10/31 @ No. 16 Utah 4-4 (2-2) L 22-10
11/07 No. 25 Brigham Young 4-5 (2-3) L 52-0
11/14 @ San Diego State 5-5 (3-3) W 30-27
11/21 No. 4 TCU 5-6 (3-4) L 45-10
11/27 @ Colorado State 6-6 (4-4) W 17-16
Look at the bright side, you're 5-0 in games decided by a touchdown or less.
QuoteStoppable force meets entirely movable object. One of this bowl's contestants, Wyoming, got shut out in three games this season, one of them against 3-9 Colorado, and finished in the bottom 10 nationally in total offense. The other, Fresno State, got pegged for 50 or more points in three games this season, the last of them against 3-9 Illinois (in which the Bulldogs needed a two-point conversion from an offensive tackle to seal the victory), and finished 97th nationally in total D. Which one wins out? You won't know unless you watch -- and whether you admit it or not, you probably will, as your only other viable sports spectating options are the Duke-Gonzaga hoops game, the Ironman Triathlon on NBC, and some golf tournament in Las Vegas whose coverage will probably be 80 percent tut-tutting over the Tiger Woods scandal.
That's MY team!
I like all the fights breaking out in the pregame. It must be that fierce WAC-MWC rivalry.
That drive was good for a couple Wyoming Brown and Gold FIRST DOWNS MOTHERFUCKERS and then a punt to the 1. Nice start for the PDHers.
TD Wyoming with a long run by a TEXAN! Hmmmm I get the sense PDH is not reading this thread so I will catch up with him after the game.
Quote from: PDH on December 19, 2009, 02:54:15 PM
That's MY team!
HOW BOUT DEM COWBOYS
I'll be pissed though, because I put Fresno State in the upper 20s in confidence points in ESPN's Bowl Mania contest. Fucking Cheney alma mater.
What a bizarre play on the return. :lol:
Should have just taken the knee in endzone.
What the fuck, John Denver?
Well, so far it's been a much better game than I had expected.
Hope I didn't just jinx the 2nd half.
Quote from: Valmy on December 19, 2009, 04:39:14 PM
Wyoming Brown and Gold FIRST DOWNS MOTHERFUCKERS
:( since the coach got so mad at this, fewer do this chant anymore.
Quote from: dps on December 19, 2009, 05:54:24 PM
Well, so far it's been a much better game than I had expected.
Hope I didn't just jinx the 2nd half.
Wyoming is a walking jinx. However, if it is close in the 4th, Carta-Samuels will play well I predict.
And for those naysayers, this is what is still okay about college football. Fans of a mediocre team rooting them on as they try to get above .500 for the first time in years and win a tiny little bowl game.
If the Pokes wine, the beer will flow like wine in Laramie tonight.
That fat dude with the beard who was so obnoxious when I was in Laramie is getting alot of screen time when they focus on the crowd. :lol:
Wyoming is going to win this man. Just keep that ground game going.
4th quarter only down by 4! I am feeling it PDH.
Ah heck interception...if only they had kept to my advice and kept running it.
The game put me to sleep.
Wahoo! TD Wyoming!
Now it is getting really interesting 28-24 Fresno with 10 minutes to go.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 19, 2009, 07:05:05 PM
The game put me to sleep.
What? This game is an epic struggle between good and evil.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 19, 2009, 07:23:25 PM
Whatever, Texas Tim.
I am only rooting for Wyoming out of solidarity unlike that Texas hating fucker Tim. I would root for his teams but nooooo he hates on me. What a dick.
Oh and my cousin is on the Wyoming team.
Quote from: Valmy on December 19, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 19, 2009, 07:23:25 PM
Whatever, Texas Tim.
I am only rooting for Wyoming out of solidarity unlike that Texas hating fucker Tim. I would root for his teams but nooooo he hates on me. What a dick.
Tim is the enemy of mankind.
And Fresno State daringly sits on the ball to take us to OT.
It is moments like these in bowl games that end up with Wyoming choking. I have been a fan for a long time, I know.
Truly an inspired call to run the clock out, yes.
Fuck it, wyoming should just kick on 1st down.
What a stand by the Cowboys.
This is a great start to the Bowl season.
EDIT: I picked the Cowboys in my Yahoo! Pick 'em. :cool:
And wyoming shanks the field goal...
Touchdown Cowboys!
Just turned on the game to see Wyoming score a TD. Nice.
There's nobody actually in the stadium by the looks of it.
Wyoming wins! Congrats PDH and Duell!
:yeah:
FUCKING A RIGHT GODDAMN SUEY-ASS MOTHERFUCKING SHIT!
Great win for Wyoming; hopefully half of the Bowl games are entertaining as this first one was.
Ahh, to suffer the long heartbreak, to see teams win 4 games year after year, to KNOW that the first drive will end in 2 plays with the QB throwing a pick-six...and to get even a tiny little bit of something back.
THAT is why I am a fan.
Quote from: PDH on December 19, 2009, 09:20:57 PM
Ahh, to suffer the long heartbreak, to see teams win 4 games year after year, to KNOW that the first drive will end in 2 plays with the QB throwing a pick-six...and to get even a tiny little bit of something back.
THAT is why I am a fan.
You're a masochist, got it.
if you want to know ehat your favorite student-athlete is getting for going to a bowl:
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/64318
The Hawaii bowl players are getting screwed over.
I want a sony gift suite! :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 20, 2009, 11:13:28 AM
The Hawaii bowl players are getting screwed over.
The Hawaii bowl players are getting Hawaii. That's more than enough.
Not sure why the Anchorage paper was the first link to this but whateva'.
Su was named AP Player of the Year in addition to Defensive Player of the Year
http://www.adn.com/24hour/sports/story/1066054.html (http://www.adn.com/24hour/sports/story/1066054.html)
QuoteNEW YORK - Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh bulled past the guys who play the glamour positions and proved you don't have to score touchdowns or toss passes to be the player of the year.
Spurred by a dominant performance against Texas in the Big 12 title game, Suh became the first defensive player voted The Associated Press College Football Player of the Year on Tuesday.
Suh had already won two defensive player of the year awards - the Nagurski and Bednarik - and two for best lineman - the Lombardi and Outland. He also finished fourth in the Heisman Trophy voting.
"Just being recognized as player of the year is a huge accomplishment," Suh said in a recent phone interview from Lincoln, Neb.
He received 26 of a possible 59 votes from AP college football poll voters to edge Stanford running back Toby Gerhart, who received 20 votes.
Heisman winner Mark Ingram finished tied for third with Texas quarterback Colt McCoy, each getting six votes. Florida quarterback Tim Tebow received one vote.
Since the AP started handing out a player of the year award in 1998, all the winners have been quarterbacks or running backs.
"It's a great choice," Nebraska coach Bo Pelini said. " I give (the voters) a lot of credit. I'm not taking anything away from Ingram or McCoy or any of the other guys. I just think at his position, you would be hard-pressed to say there's a better player than Suh. He's had a tremendous year."
It's the fourth time the AP award went to a player other than the Heisman winner and first since Iowa quarterback Brad Banks beat out USC's Carson Palmer in 2003.
Suh finished behind Ingram, Gerhart and McCoy in the Heisman voting, though he did receive more points than any fourth-place finisher in the 75-year history of the award.
Suh, a 6-foot-4, 300-pound senior, was already having an All-America-caliber season before the Cornhuskers played Texas on Dec. 5 at Dallas Cowboys Stadium.
He nearly led Nebraska to a stunning upset, with 12 tackles and 4 1/2 sacks. The Longhorns kicked a last-second field goal to escape with a 13-12 victory, but Suh was so utterly unblockable he earned a trip to New York as one of five finalists for the Heisman.
He finished the season with 12 sacks and was the pillar of the ninth-ranked defense in the country.
"I think I had a good year," he said. "I definitely got better in a couple of areas. I won't say I'm satisfied by any means, because we still have a big game left to play against Arizona in the Holiday Bowl."
He'll tell you he's still learning to play the game.
"I haven't played a perfect game yet so let's try and see if I can do that against Arizona," he said.
Suh got a relatively late start to football. Soccer and basketball were his thing growing up in Portland, Ore., the son of a Jamaican mother and father from Cameroon. His name means "House of Spears" in the language of the Ngema tribe.
But Suh literally outgrew soccer. His mother, Bernadette, was apprehensive about allowing her son to play football, but eventually gave her permission.
Ball carriers have been dealing with the repercussions of that decision ever since.
Suh went through some tough times in his first two seasons at Nebraska, being part of one of the worst defenses in school history in 2007. Then Pelini became the Huskers coach and Nebraska's defense began to turn around with Suh leading the charge.
Physically, Suh is everything an NFL team could want in a defensive linemen. Big, strong, quick and agile, he's projected to be one of the first players taken in April's draft.
Suh credits the coaching of Pelini and defensive coordinator Carl Pelini, Bo's brother, for his development.
"Mentally, being able to pick up on different reads and formations and what things can be run out of certain formations and tendencies of teams," Suh said.
Carl Pelini's first chance to coach Suh came with the player unable to play. It was spring practice of 2008 and Suh was recovering from surgery. Without ever putting on pads, Suh impressed his coach.
"I was coaching the other guys, and he was just watching," Pelini said. "He was shoulder to shoulder with me. He hadn't practiced a snap but he was a better football player coming out of that spring.
"He's a very cerebral guy. He wants to know why, and it's made him a great football player."
Academics always came before sports in Suh's home. That can happen when your mom is a teacher.
"They know coming from Third World countries that education is the key," he said.
The 22-year-old graduated last weekend with a degree in construction management engineering. He said he plans to take some postgraduate courses while he prepares for the NFL combine.
"The main focus is, now that I'm done with school, just worry about football and go from there," he said.
Suh seems set to go far.
BYU 37 Oregon State 13
Can we make the Mountain West a BCS league already?
Quote from: Valmy on December 22, 2009, 11:27:04 PM
BYU 37 Oregon State 13
Can we make the Mountain West a BCS league already?
The Beav's had no desire to be in Vegas this year. I heard an interview with Jaquizz Rogers, who said they had to get over missing out on the Rose Bowl, settle for where they ended up, and do their best. I knew they had no chance to win when that was their best player's attitude. I would bet a paycheck that Alamba had the same attitude against Utah last year. The key to the bowl games is who wants to be there, and who is bitter, or settling.
I don't mean to belittle BYU's ass kicking, they dominated the dojo tonight.
And that is why the Mountain West gets no respect. "They were playing a team that couldn't get up for the game."
Oh well, Wyoming won a bowl, as much as it pains me BYU played well and won. The Mountain West again shows very well in bowl games.
Quote from: PDH on December 23, 2009, 01:26:54 AM
And that is why the Mountain West gets no respect. "They were playing a team that couldn't get up for the game."
Oh well, Wyoming won a bowl, as much as it pains me BYU played well and won. The Mountain West again shows very well in bowl games.
Unfortunately in a way, yes, but not every time, I only made two examples above. I thought the OSU/BYU game would be very close, but I though the Beav's would win because they have a great coach who has NEVER lost a bowl game, not because of the conference BYU was from. BYU was the higher ranked team going in. You can't deny that there are times that certain teams couldn't care less about the bowl game they are in, and this year apparently the Beavs didn't want to be in Vegas and showed it. Last year it was clear that Alabama never recovered from blowing the SEC Champion ship game and missing out on the NC game; that was not the same Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl that we saw all of last year. Utah may have won the game no matter what 'Bama's attitude was, but to discount it, no matter how much it hurts the smaller conference's feeling is silly.
For the record I picked the Cowboys in my Yahoo! Pick 'Em pool.
I saw on the TV that Nebraska was listed on the teams the Big Ten could try to get in expansion.
My reaction:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmsp153.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs238%2Fbradly2795%2Flol_wut.jpg&hash=ea106b16c2f08984397dfe3bd295575a1d9ffb31)
The Big 10 wants to capture the lucrative Omaha market.
Only article I can find mentions Notre Dame and Missouri (:blink:), and a throw-away line from Joe Paterno suggesting Rutgers, Pittsburgh or Syracuse.
http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-12-15/report-big-ten-expected-talk-expansion-12-teams
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:40:24 PM
Missouri (:blink:)
Well the Tigers have won six Big 12 championships in 13 years:
2008 Women's Soccer Tournament
2009 Women's Soccer Regular Season
2009 Basketball Tournament
1997 Women's Softball regular Season
1997 Women's Softball Tournament
2009 Women's Softball Tournament
They are truly an Athletic juggernaut...I mean sure Baylor has won 34 Conference titles over the same period but whatever right?
Missouri is by far the worst athletic department in the entire Big 12. Nice addition there Big 10.
Quote from: Valmy on December 23, 2009, 12:56:29 PM
Missouri is by far the worst athletic department in the entire Big 12. Nice addition there Big 10.
What about Iowa Sta...oh right they've won more too. They should take Iowa State too though just in case.
Whatever the Big 10 does, I hope it doesn't result in Boise getting into a BCS conference.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 23, 2009, 10:35:37 AM
I saw on the TV that Nebraska was listed on the teams the Big Ten could try to get in expansion.
They were talking about inviting Texas back in 03 or so.
Iowa State would be nice for the Iowans to get that rivalry in-conference.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 23, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Whatever the Big 10 does, I hope it doesn't result in Boise getting into a BCS conference.
This man is smart. Boise State is an abomination upon man.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 23, 2009, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 23, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Whatever the Big 10 does, I hope it doesn't result in Boise getting into a BCS conference.
This man is smart. Boise State is an abomination upon man.
I think Valmy had it right - make the Mountain West a BCS conference, and kick out Big East.
Quote from: Valmy on December 23, 2009, 12:56:29 PM
Missouri is by far the worst athletic department in the entire Big 12. Nice addition there Big 10.
Sorry, but I'll see your Mizzou and raise you Kansas State.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 23, 2009, 06:13:36 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 23, 2009, 12:56:29 PM
Missouri is by far the worst athletic department in the entire Big 12. Nice addition there Big 10.
Sorry, but I'll see your Mizzou and raise you Kansas State.
*cough* Colorado
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 01:55:16 PM
I think Valmy had it right - make the Mountain West a BCS conference, and kick out Big East.
Big East went 33-8 against non-conference opponents this year. MWC went 23-15.
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 23, 2009, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 23, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Whatever the Big 10 does, I hope it doesn't result in Boise getting into a BCS conference.
This man is smart. Boise State is an abomination upon man.
I think Valmy had it right - make the Mountain West a BCS conference, and kick out Big East.
There apparantly are actually rules in place that define standards that a non-BCS conference can meet to become a BCS conference, or by which a current BCS conference can lose that status, but I've never seen them spelled out exactly. Of course, I'm sure that the standards are pretty much rigged to keep the statu quo. I do recall reading once (a few years ago) that the Big Ten was the BCS conference closest to losing their BCS status.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 23, 2009, 06:13:36 PM
Sorry, but I'll see your Mizzou and raise you Kansas State.
Kansas State has won more CC's than Missouri, I believe. They've even won one in football.
Edit: So has Colorado. For sure.
Quote from: dps on December 23, 2009, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 23, 2009, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 23, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Whatever the Big 10 does, I hope it doesn't result in Boise getting into a BCS conference.
This man is smart. Boise State is an abomination upon man.
I think Valmy had it right - make the Mountain West a BCS conference, and kick out Big East.
There apparantly are actually rules in place that define standards that a non-BCS conference can meet to become a BCS conference, or by which a current BCS conference can lose that status, but I've never seen them spelled out exactly. Of course, I'm sure that the standards are pretty much rigged to keep the statu quo. I do recall reading once (a few years ago) that the Big Ten was the BCS conference closest to losing their BCS status.
IIRC the BCS is merely a creation of the 6 BCS conferences (plus Notre Dame), so I imagine it's essentially impossible to "kick out" a conference.
I can't imagine not having the Big Ten in the BCS however.
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: dps on December 23, 2009, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 23, 2009, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 23, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Whatever the Big 10 does, I hope it doesn't result in Boise getting into a BCS conference.
This man is smart. Boise State is an abomination upon man.
I think Valmy had it right - make the Mountain West a BCS conference, and kick out Big East.
There apparantly are actually rules in place that define standards that a non-BCS conference can meet to become a BCS conference, or by which a current BCS conference can lose that status, but I've never seen them spelled out exactly. Of course, I'm sure that the standards are pretty much rigged to keep the statu quo. I do recall reading once (a few years ago) that the Big Ten was the BCS conference closest to losing their BCS status.
IIRC the BCS is merely a creation of the 6 BCS conferences (plus Notre Dame), so I imagine it's essentially impossible to "kick out" a conference.
I can't imagine not having the Big Ten in the BCS however.
Well, like I said, I'm sure that the rules are rigged in favor of the status quo. I figure that they are there mostly just to help protect against any anti-trust problems.
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: dps on December 23, 2009, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 23, 2009, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 23, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Whatever the Big 10 does, I hope it doesn't result in Boise getting into a BCS conference.
This man is smart. Boise State is an abomination upon man.
I think Valmy had it right - make the Mountain West a BCS conference, and kick out Big East.
There apparantly are actually rules in place that define standards that a non-BCS conference can meet to become a BCS conference, or by which a current BCS conference can lose that status, but I've never seen them spelled out exactly. Of course, I'm sure that the standards are pretty much rigged to keep the statu quo. I do recall reading once (a few years ago) that the Big Ten was the BCS conference closest to losing their BCS status.
IIRC the BCS is merely a creation of the 6 BCS conferences (plus Notre Dame), so I imagine it's essentially impossible to "kick out" a conference.
I can't imagine not having the Big Ten in the BCS however.
The BCS is a creation of all the Div-1A schools. There are no "BCS conferences" and "non-BCS conferences." There are just automaticly-qualifying conferences and non-automatically-qualifying conferences.
The Big Ten is by no means "the BCS conference closest to losing their BCS status." First, because it cannot, by definition, happen. Second, because the AQ conferences are such because they have the minimum average BCS rating over the course of four seasons, and the Big Ten scores quite well in that regard. Not as good as the SEC, and probably losing ground to the Pac Ten right now (the P10 may have done the best of all conferences this year), but nowhere near the Big East or ACC.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 17, 2009, 03:37:10 PM
Duron Carter out of the Rose Bowl. Academically ineligible.
Fucking idiot.
So is the Ducks 4th receiver, Jamere Holland. They are even again.
Academically ineligible? Don't they have the stupid black kids take things like Colouring 101 and Film Study 210? Or even easier, Journalism?
Utah 37, Cal 27
Was Cal too depressed about ending up in the Poinsettia Bowl to show up?
Quote from: Valmy on December 23, 2009, 11:38:39 PM
Utah 37, Cal 27
Was Cal too depressed about ending up in the Poinsettia Bowl to show up?
Uh Valmy, they lost 42-10 to U Dub this year, tells you what kind of team they were :lol:
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 12:03:16 AM
Uh Valmy, they lost 42-10 to U Dub this year, tells you what kind of team they were :lol:
Does beating Arizona and Stanford mean anything?
Quote from: Valmy on December 24, 2009, 12:16:45 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 12:03:16 AM
Uh Valmy, they lost 42-10 to U Dub this year, tells you what kind of team they were :lol:
Does beating Arizona and Stanford mean anything?
They were weak as well.
:(
Quote from: Valmy on December 23, 2009, 11:38:39 PM
Utah 37, Cal 27
Was Cal too depressed about ending up in the Poinsettia Bowl to show up?
No Cal was just bad.
Quote from: Valmy on December 24, 2009, 12:16:45 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 12:03:16 AM
Uh Valmy, they lost 42-10 to U Dub this year, tells you what kind of team they were :lol:
Does beating Arizona and Stanford mean anything?
Sure it helped them to a 5-4 record in conference.
All i know is they were horrible in their last game before this one, so not surprised by score.
Not to mention that Cal has a history kinda like Va Tech of being hyped till middle of year then falling apart.
Once again, a conference that is "top to bottom the best" has mediocre performances against the Mountain West...and it all gets so easily explained away.
Time to face up to the facts - kick out the ACC or the Big East and invite a REAL top conference in as an AQ.
Quote from: PDH on December 24, 2009, 09:28:43 AM
Once again, a conference that is "top to bottom the best" has mediocre performances against the Mountain West...and it all gets so easily explained away.
Time to face up to the facts - kick out the ACC or the Big East and invite a REAL top conference in as an AQ.
No one needs to be "kicked out" of something for the MWC to get AQ status. That qualification just comes from doing it. The MWC has never been able to hack the qauls, though.
Personally, I think the better solution would be to have the MWC and WAC champions play on Championship Saturday and the winner gets the autobid.
Quote from: PDH on December 24, 2009, 09:28:43 AM
Once again, a conference that is "top to bottom the best" has mediocre performances against the Mountain West...and it all gets so easily explained away.
Time to face up to the facts - kick out the ACC or the Big East and invite a REAL top conference in as an AQ.
i've never been one to mock the top of the MWC ( I use to see many games living in San Diego).
Quote from: PDH on December 24, 2009, 09:28:43 AM
Once again, a conference that is "top to bottom the best" has mediocre performances against the Mountain West...and it all gets so easily explained away.
Time to face up to the facts - kick out the ACC or the Big East and invite a REAL top conference in as an AQ.
I'm a huge fan of the Mountain West and would love to see a system in which they could get in as AQs. However, I also don't think the MWC is clearly better, year-to-year, than
any current AQ conference. The Big East/ACC have the most serious issues in terms of football quality, but they are still, top-to-bottom, year-in-year out, better than the MWC or the WAC.
Plus, the ACC and the Big East have too many "name" programs to ever see them lose AQ status.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 24, 2009, 01:27:20 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 24, 2009, 09:28:43 AM
Once again, a conference that is "top to bottom the best" has mediocre performances against the Mountain West...and it all gets so easily explained away.
Time to face up to the facts - kick out the ACC or the Big East and invite a REAL top conference in as an AQ.
I'm a huge fan of the Mountain West and would love to see a system in which they could get in as AQs. However, I also don't think the MWC is clearly better, year-to-year, than any current AQ conference. The Big East/ACC have the most serious issues in terms of football quality, but they are still, top-to-bottom, year-in-year out, better than the MWC or the WAC.
Plus, the ACC and the Big East have too many "name" programs to ever see them lose AQ status.
ACC has some big names, but Big East? Does Syracuse, WVU, and/or Rutgers qualify as big names?
Arent' Boston College and Pitt Big East?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 24, 2009, 02:54:02 PM
Arent' Boston College and Pitt Big East?
Yup. Are those big names?
Quote from: Barrister on December 24, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Yup. Are those big names?
Pitt is (edit: in the Big East, and is a fairly big name). Boston College is in the ACC (but is also a fairly big name).
The real argument is that the Big Names were famous 40 years ago, 30 years ago...and teams like Utah, TCU (who is only now returning to prominence), and maybe BYU (who does have the world's most tainted National Championship) are seen as not having earned their chops.
College Football needs affirmative action.
Nevada is screwed. Bet against them.
How can any national championship possibly be more tainted than any other, given the way in which they are assigned?
Quote from: Neil on December 24, 2009, 04:24:03 PM
How can any national championship possibly be more tainted than any other, given the way in which they are assigned?
Read up about BYU's championship. Grumbler can help too :)
TCU, Utah, and BYU may be as good programs as WVU, Pitt and Cincinnati, but the bottom half of the conference falls far short.
Quote from: Barrister on December 24, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 24, 2009, 02:54:02 PM
Arent' Boston College and Pitt Big East?
Yup. Are those big names?
Syracuse is also historically a big time school in the Big East, even though they've been extremely the past few years. Pitt, Syracuse, and West Virginia probably have the most history, so they're definitely a "name school" too. Rutgers has the most history out of any Big East school(played in the first ever football game, IIRC) but they've been horrendous most of their history. Even Louisville has some decent history. On a side note, I don't see why the Big 10 doesn't go after Louisville. It's actually geographically close to the Big 10, at least compared to Syracuse or Rutgers.
Cincinnati is two hours closer, plus not in Kentucky. I hope they'd pick them over Louisville if they have to offer to a BEast school. And Pitt over either.
Quote from: PDH on December 24, 2009, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 24, 2009, 04:24:03 PM
How can any national championship possibly be more tainted than any other, given the way in which they are assigned?
Read up about BYU's championship. Grumbler can help too :)
That was UDub's year!
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 24, 2009, 05:19:57 PM
TCU, Utah, and BYU may be as good programs as WVU, Pitt and Cincinnati, but the bottom half of the conference falls far short.
TCU, Utah, and BYU are as good as the top 3 in any conference, I would wager. The bottom is like the bottom of any conference. However, even a horrendous Wyoming beat Tennessee at Tenn last year, for example - so to say "Our worst teams are better than yours" is not really true...
Bad teams or teams on a down year are bad...whatever the conference.
Pitt, Syracuse are much more 'storied' programs than TCU, Utah or YU. Certainly over the last decade neither team has been as good in wins and losses as the top 3 in the MWC.
WVU compares favorably to any MWC team over the same time period. They have 2 BCS bowl wins and have mostly attended major bowls in non BCS years. They also won one of their BCS bowls against the SEC champions in what was essentially a home game for Georgia. That equals a ton mpre street cred than beating up on a Big XII team or beating somw god awful Pitt team that made it to the BCS on a fluke.
Keep in mind I'm talking about perceptions only. Which unfortu ately is the only thing that matters in college footall. Well, other than the almighty dollar.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 24, 2009, 04:17:45 PM
Nevada is screwed. Bet against them.
Great call. I didn't change my pick but i dropped Nevada from the tops in confidence points, to the bottom based on your hunch. :)
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 24, 2009, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 24, 2009, 04:24:03 PM
How can any national championship possibly be more tainted than any other, given the way in which they are assigned?
Read up about BYU's championship. Grumbler can help too :)
That was UDub's year!
They ducked BYU. They deserved to fail.
Quote from: Neil on December 25, 2009, 07:45:20 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 24, 2009, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 24, 2009, 04:24:03 PM
How can any national championship possibly be more tainted than any other, given the way in which they are assigned?
Read up about BYU's championship. Grumbler can help too :)
That was UDub's year!
They ducked BYU. They deserved to fail.
No see young'un this was back when Bowls were assigned not by some BCS. So they went to Orange Bowl to face Oklahoma and BYU as WAC champ was forced to go to Holiday Bowl.
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 08:15:11 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 25, 2009, 07:45:20 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 24, 2009, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 24, 2009, 04:24:03 PM
How can any national championship possibly be more tainted than any other, given the way in which they are assigned?
Read up about BYU's championship. Grumbler can help too :)
That was UDub's year!
They ducked BYU. They deserved to fail.
No see young'un this was back when Bowls were assigned not by some BCS. So they went to Orange Bowl to face Oklahoma and BYU as WAC champ was forced to go to Holiday Bowl.
BYU was contractually bound to go to the Holiday Bowl AFAIK but I don't think that UW was contractually bound to go to the Orange Bowl--in fact I'm pretty sure that they weren't.
I enjoyed SMU back in bowls.
Quote from: dps on December 25, 2009, 10:41:24 AM
BYU was contractually bound to go to the Holiday Bowl AFAIK but I don't think that UW was contractually bound to go to the Orange Bowl--in fact I'm pretty sure that they weren't.
:huh: Uh, the Orange Bowl was by far the toughest bowl UW could have taken. They played the #2 team in the nation! It is crazymantalk to think that the Pac Ten would have allowed them to screw the conference out of a coupla million dollars by taking a Holiday Bowl bid. UW could not have played a better matchup, and they just got screwed by the fact that the voters ignored the fact that UW had itself already beaten Michigan much more soundly in Ann Arbor.
There is no question that UW was a better team that year.
Told ya the Grognard would remember! :)
Quote from: dps on December 25, 2009, 10:41:24 AM
BYU was contractually bound to go to the Holiday Bowl AFAIK but I don't think that UW was contractually bound to go to the Orange Bowl--in fact I'm pretty sure that they weren't.
You are correct they weren't bound by contract, but grumbler summarized the rest best.
Well, the season turns out great for Marshall. A bowl win and Snyder gone. Mwahaha.
:huh: What's this about Urban Meyer stepping down? I just turned on the game.
Edit: There's an article up about it now. Health reasons:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4772952
QuoteUrban Meyer is stepping down as coach of the Florida football team, athletics director Jeremy Foley announced Saturday afternoon in a release.
"I have given my heart and soul to coaching college football and mentoring young men for the last 24-plus years and I have dedicated most of my waking moments the last five years to the Gator football program," Meyer said in statement. "I have ignored my health for years, but recent developments have forced me to re-evaluate my priorities of faith and family.
"After consulting with my family, Dr. Machen, Jeremy Foley and my doctors, I believe it is in my best interest to step aside and focus on my health and family.
"I'm proud to be a part of the Gainesville community and the Gator Nation and I plan to remain in Gainesville and involved with the University of Florida.
"I'm very appreciative for the opportunity I've had to be a part of a tremendous institution - from Dr. Machen to Jeremy Foley and the entire administrative staff at UF. I'm also very thankful for the chance to work with some of the best assistants in college football and coach some of the best college football players and watch them grow both on and off the field as people. I will cherish the relationships with them the most."
Meyer will coach his last game for Florida against Cincinnati on Jan. 1 at the Sugar Bowl.
Damn. I bet the AD at Notre Dame is ready to commit ritual suicide.
I bet nut cancer.
Holy nigger shit balls.
Yeah, from all the hints inbetween the lines, it's his health.
That, and once you've coached Tim Tebow, there's no more reason to live.
Heart problems
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-florida-meyerresigns&prov=ap&type=lgns
QuoteGAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP)—Urban Meyer resigned Saturday as Florida's football coach after five seasons and two national titles because of health concerns that came to light when he suffered chest pains following the SEC championship game earlier this month.
The 45-year-old Meyer will coach his final game at the Sugar Bowl against Cincinnati on New Year's Day.
He leaves No. 5 Florida with a 56-10 record that includes a 32-8 mark in league play and a school-record 22-game winning streak snapped earlier this month against Alabama in the Southeastern Conference title game Dec. 5.
"I have given my heart and soul to coaching college football and mentoring young men for the last 24-plus years and I have dedicated most of my waking moments the last five years to the Gator football program," Meyer said in a statement. "I have ignored my health for years, but recent developments have forced me to re-evaluate my priorities of faith and family."
Meyer said he consulted with his family, his doctors, school president Bernie Machen and athletic director Jeremy Foley before deciding it is in his best interest to focus on his health and family.
Meyer will hold a news conference in New Orleans on Sunday afternoon.
"Coach Meyer and I have talked this through and I realize how hard this was for him to reach this decision," Foley said. "But the bottom line is that Coach Meyer needed to make a choice that is in the best interest of his well being and his family. I certainly appreciate what he has meant to the University of Florida, our football program and the Gator Nation. I have never seen anyone more committed to his players, his family and his program. Above all, I appreciate our friendship."
Excerpted from: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4772952
Quote...Meyer has been to the hospital at least twice since suffering chest pains after the SEC title game, a Florida source told ESPN. He has been diagnosed with a heart valve muscle defect, the source said.
The problem is not life threatening, a Florida source with knowledge of the situation told ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The same source said Meyer will remain in Gainesville in a non-coaching role to be defined later....
Shit. As much as I dislike the Gators, Meyer seemed like a classy guy. Hope he's okay.
Me for the past few hours:
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I don't know who could possibly replace Urban Meyer. The only coaches who are as good IMO are Saban and Carroll. There are rumors of issues at USC, but I can't see him leaving. Defensive Coordinator Charlie Strong would have been a decent replacement, but he already took the job at Louisville. Last year's offense coordinator, Dan Mullen, could be a good pick too, but the AD at UF may want a more seasoned coach- eg a long time head coach, as opposed to a long time coordinator. I think that's usually the safest choice, with the recent examples of Charlie Weis and Ron Zook bombing coming to mind. We may try to pick off Bob Stoops, who's a good coach IMO, but he's not elite like Meyer/Carroll/Saban. At least I can say I was at UF during the whole Urban Meyer/Tim Tebow era. T
Quote from: Neil on December 26, 2009, 06:59:28 PM
Damn. I bet the AD at Notre Dame is ready to commit ritual suicide.
I've seen speculation that ND knew about Meyer's health problems, which is why they didn't make any apparant serious effort to get him.
As for a replacement, I guess Strong could take the job and just blow Louisville off, though I don't see that as particularly likely.
Quote from: dps on December 27, 2009, 01:13:38 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 26, 2009, 06:59:28 PM
Damn. I bet the AD at Notre Dame is ready to commit ritual suicide.
I've seen speculation that ND knew about Meyer's health problems, which is why they didn't make any apparant serious effort to get him.
As for a replacement, I guess Strong could take the job and just blow Louisville off, though I don't see that as particularly likely.
From the ESPN article I linked above
QuoteLouisville media relations director Rocco Gasparro said Saturday night that Strong had signed a term sheet with the school, but not a formal contract. It is unclear whether the term sheet would be a sticking point should the Gators turn to Strong to replace Meyer.
Nice finish for PITT. :)
Quote from: Syt on December 27, 2009, 02:29:13 AM
Nice finish for PITT. :)
They didn't cover the spread, so fuck them.
Apparently, Urban Meyer is pulling a Billy Donovan*and is changing his mind. The word on the street is that he is going to take a leave of absence, either until August 2010 or 2011, and that the offensive coordinator is going to be the interim head coach. There's a press conference at 4:30 which should give more details. When I first heard the news, I actually thought that he was going to do something like that and I was shocked when I heard his resignation was final. Now it appears to be temporary.
*A few years ago, UF basketball coach Donovan was announced as the next Orlando Magic head coach and then 24 hours changed his mind to go back to UF.
Leach is in trouble at TTech for mistreating Adam James, Craig's boy.
Ho ho.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/mike-leach-suspended-over-treatment-of-player-27494
Go Dawgs! :showoff:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 28, 2009, 09:50:25 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 28, 2009, 08:52:03 PM
Go Dawgs! :showoff:
That was my 34 point game. :cool:
Betting against the Aggies is a good bet in Bowl Games. They are 2-11 since 1990.
That was a crazy game. 0 points after 27 minutes, then 64 in the last 33. :lol:
:) Wyoming has given an offer to a linebacker from Munich.
Quote from: PDH on December 29, 2009, 10:59:46 AM
:) Wyoming has given an offer to a linebacker from Munich.
North Dakota? :huh:
Quote from: sbr on December 29, 2009, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 29, 2009, 10:59:46 AM
:) Wyoming has given an offer to a linebacker from Munich.
North Dakota? :huh:
LB - Oliver Shober - Munich, Germany - Plays for the Munich Cowboys.
Quote from: PDH on December 29, 2009, 02:25:59 PM
Plays for the Munich Cowboys.
Their cheerleader uniforms must be awesome.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 29, 2009, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: PDH on December 29, 2009, 02:25:59 PM
Plays for the Munich Cowboys.
Their cheerleader uniforms must be awesome.
Instead of Pom Poms they have great big glasses of beer.
Leach out at Texas Tech
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 28, 2009, 06:46:27 PM
Leach is in trouble at TTech for mistreating Adam James, Craig's boy.
Ho ho.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/mike-leach-suspended-over-treatment-of-player-27494
That is a really bizarre story.
Quote from: katmai on December 30, 2009, 03:23:19 PM
Leach out at Texas Tech
There is no joy in Lubbockville.
I'd like to know what you guys think about the TexTech story. Did Leach abuse Craig's kid, the school did The Right Thing? Was it an excuse to dump his salary and/or get a better coach?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 30, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
I'd like to know what you guys think about the TexTech story. Did Leach abuse Craig's kid, the school did The Right Thing? Was it an excuse to dump his salary and/or get a better coach?
Leach has been pissing off the powers that be at Texas Tech for years and it got really ugly and personal. The Chancellor went to Leach and asked him to apologize for the James thing and Leach got really belligerent and it was just the last straw. A sane coach simply quietly apologizes and the whole thing goes away without incident, but Leach is not sane which is the reason no other program had any interest in hiring him despite Leach being desperate to leave Tech for years.
There are just so many times you can tell your boss 'fuck you' and keep your job no matter how successful you are. Of course the fury of the Tech alumni will be immense it will be interesting how the administration handles this.
Quote from: katmai on December 30, 2009, 03:23:19 PM
Leach out at Texas Tech
Kinda knew that was going to happen when I saw the 12/31 = $800K bonus thing.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2009, 04:07:53 PM
Kinda knew that was going to happen when I saw the 12/31 = $800K bonus thing.
You could buy half of Lubbock for that. True story.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 30, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
I'd like to know what you guys think about the TexTech story. Did Leach abuse Craig's kid, the school did The Right Thing? Was it an excuse to dump his salary and/or get a better coach?
Part of me likes Leach's outlaw persona, but the sane part of me knows you can't do that shit anymore. Bear Bryant is dead.
Edit: Also, those internet virgins attacking Craig James need to get a fucking life.
This won't be the last coaching career ruined because of a player's concussion. Concussions could the the thing that knocks football from its dominate perch; whether it is college coaches like this, schools getting rid of the sport for "liability" reasons, or a mega-lawsuit bankrupting the NFL.
Quote from: Valmy on December 30, 2009, 04:03:43 PM
Leach is not sane
True, he does claim Wyoming as his home state. Proof enough.
Go blackshirts!
Man...poor Nick Foles.
I am torn between rooting for a Texan quarterback or a Big 12 school. :cry:
This game feels just like the Arizona-Miami bowl game in what, '93? Where Arizona just dismantled the vaunted Miami offense.
Arizona is standing in for Miami though, and Nebraska is standing in for Arizona.
Brutal.
Talk is that Dykes is going to be asked to take over for Leach. Arizona might be losing the OC and the DC.
At least you can go to bed early tonight.
Quote from: Berkut on December 30, 2009, 09:43:59 PM
Talk is that Dykes is going to be asked to take over for Leach. Arizona might be losing the OC and the DC.
Certainly Sonny would LOVE to coach Texas Tech but word is out here that Tech is going to steal Art Briles from Baylor.
Oldman must be happy, his Vandals won their 2nd bowl game ever.
Quote from: katmai on December 30, 2009, 10:01:49 PM
Oldman must be happy, his Vandals won their 2nd bowl game ever.
That was nuts. I saw Bowling Green score when going into a restaurant and just assumed the game was over...and then find out at halftime of the Nebraska game they had miraculously won. I did think of him...somewhere in Korea is a happy Idahoan.
In ESPN's Bowl Mania, I had chosen a select number of low-confidence upsets.
Berkut, you owe me 3 points.
This is more embarrassing than watching UCLA struggle with Temple.
It is a rather atrocious display. I for one am sorely disappointed.
I watched the Nebraska blowout in the hopes of seeing some monster plays by Suh. I was disappointed.
At least the Cats broke 100 yds of total offense :lol:
I did actually pick Arizona. Crap.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 30, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
I'd like to know what you guys think about the TexTech story. Did Leach abuse Craig's kid, the school did The Right Thing? Was it an excuse to dump his salary and/or get a better coach?
I don't think that what he did to James warranted firing (though I'm not sure exactly what did happen, so my opinion on that could change). But when the administration asked him to sign what amounted to a code of conduct and he refused to sign, well, I'd have fired him for that. Not so much for not signing
per se--if he'd expressed reservations about some things in it and been willing to discuss it, that's one thing, but basically, according the the reports I've read, he just told them to fuck off. You really can't put up with that from someone who's supposed to be under your supervision.
I don't thinik that they're going to get a better coach as far as the actual coaching goes, though they should be able to find someone who can project a better image. The administration apparantly didn't like the guy before this, so I don't think they're particularly unhapppy to see him go. Saving the $800K is basically just icing on the cake to them.
Quote from: Berkut on December 30, 2009, 09:43:59 PM
This game feels just like the Arizona-Miami bowl game in what, '93? Where Arizona just dismantled the vaunted Miami offense.
Arizona is standing in for Miami though, and Nebraska is standing in for Arizona.
Brutal.
Talk is that Dykes is going to be asked to take over for Leach. Arizona might be losing the OC and the DC.
It's been a long time since I've seen a good offense get so viciously raped by a dominant defense. Don't see many shutouts in bowl games...
Quote from: dps on December 31, 2009, 03:10:32 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 30, 2009, 03:57:36 PM
I'd like to know what you guys think about the TexTech story. Did Leach abuse Craig's kid, the school did The Right Thing? Was it an excuse to dump his salary and/or get a better coach?
I don't think that what he did to James warranted firing (though I'm not sure exactly what did happen, so my opinion on that could change). But when the administration asked him to sign what amounted to a code of conduct and he refused to sign, well, I'd have fired him for that. Not so much for not signing per se--if he'd expressed reservations about some things in it and been willing to discuss it, that's one thing, but basically, according the the reports I've read, he just told them to fuck off. You really can't put up with that from someone who's supposed to be under your supervision.
I don't thinik that they're going to get a better coach as far as the actual coaching goes, though they should be able to find someone who can project a better image. The administration apparantly didn't like the guy before this, so I don't think they're particularly unhapppy to see him go. Saving the $800K is basically just icing on the cake to them.
Most likely they won't be saving the $800,000. Texas Tech's contract with Leach apparently stipulated that before any "for cause" firing Leach was to have 10 days to "cure" the problem. They fired him in very short order, primarily because they were afraid of losing that restraining order hearing yesterday morning. Because of that, they essentially will probably end up paying the $800,000 even before the rest of it gets litigated.
What will ultimately happen if Leach is sane, is Texas Tech will end up offering Leach a settlement for around $1.6m (amount of money he would have been owed if he was fired "without cause"), or for around $2.4m if Tech doesn't pay that $800,000 up front. If Leach is insane, he'll be dealing with this case for about 5 years. When all is said and done he
could very well prevail in court. There's very good reasons that, to my knowledge, virtually no big time college football coaching legal dispute has ever made it to the final stages of a trial. Smart lawyers don't want to take that stuff to trial, they want their clients to settle and move on. Leach being who he is, we'll have to see what he does.
Okay the beginning of the second half in the Houston - Air Force game was ridiculously entertaining. Opening kickoff returned for a TD, the kickoff for that TD returned, then a really quick drive by Houston for a TD. :lol: Three touchdowns in something like 2:15. Things will slow down now that AF has the ball though, I'd imagine, with their triple option and all. E: Not that Houston has a defense or anything silly like that.
Houston returned 2nd half kickoff for TD to cut the lead to 13-24.
So Air Force returns the favor and runs back the Houston kickoff to put it at 31-13, fun game so far in the Armed Forces bowl
Damn you to hell MBM!
Quote from: katmai on December 31, 2009, 02:08:22 PM
Houston returned 2nd half kickoff for TD to cut the lead to 13-24.
So Air Force returns the favor and runs back the Houston kickoff to put it at 31-13, fun game so far in the Armed Forces bowl
Damn you to hell MBM!
:lol: I even waited to post that until after Houston's scoring drive. 34 - 20 now.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 31, 2009, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 31, 2009, 02:08:22 PM
Houston returned 2nd half kickoff for TD to cut the lead to 13-24.
So Air Force returns the favor and runs back the Houston kickoff to put it at 31-13, fun game so far in the Armed Forces bowl
Damn you to hell MBM!
:lol: I even waited to post that until after Houston's scoring drive. 34 - 20 now.
I forgot I had paused the dvr to answer phone call so was watching a few mins behind. :D
Man, Air Force is just kicking the shit out of Houston. Physically, not (yet) score-wise.
Quote from: katmai on December 31, 2009, 02:22:08 PM
I forgot I had paused the dvr to answer phone call so was watching a few mins behind. :D
:rolleyes: Uh huh...making up things like a "DVR" to excuse your horrendously slow typing.
Edit: :moon:
Touchdown Stanford.
Better go check out Tobey.
Hah, what a lucky break for Cardinals on that 3rd td
LOL, the Cardinal.
BOOMER SOONER!
I hope your children go to Michigan!
Someone needs to hurry up and talk some smack about the PAC10. I love that stuff.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 31, 2009, 06:20:13 PM
Someone needs to hurry up and talk some smack about the PAC10. I love that stuff.
Only if Ohio State wins tomorrow. Otherwise, I'm not logging on for a week.
LOL MISSOU.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 31, 2009, 07:09:09 PM
I have no idea.
Indiana probably could have managed to lose by 22 to Navy also but at least they were once good at Basketball.
Quote from: Valmy on December 31, 2009, 07:15:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 31, 2009, 07:09:09 PM
I have no idea.
Indiana probably could have managed to lose by 22 to Navy also but at least they were once good at Basketball.
Please, don't remind me of Indiana basketball. I hear it EVERY GOD DAMNED DAY.
Thanx.
P.S. the basketball team is better this year. not elite, but better.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 31, 2009, 07:18:48 PM
Please, don't remind me of Indiana basketball. I hear it EVERY GOD DAMNED DAY.
Don't bitch, you're the guy who married a hoosier fan.
Nice, I picked Navy to win that one. :thumbsup:
Unfortunately I also picked every Pac-10 team. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz133%2Fsbr32%2Fsmilies%2F9sick1.gif&hash=12e1762a906df7dd211b8e8f810492816777a0dd)
The Ducks win carry the conferences honor tomorrow. I guarantee it. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz133%2Fsbr32%2Fsmilies%2Fcameront.gif&hash=e3937b3e3f6cf9b0f2e369db3411c5aa1041ee0f)
EDIT:I need more smilies in this post. :homestar: :yuk: :cry: :licklips:
Iowa State > Minnesota
Maybe the Big 10 should take Iowa State instead.
Quote from: Valmy on December 31, 2009, 09:23:38 PM
Iowa State > Minnesota
Maybe the Big 10 should take Iowa State instead.
I'm reading the box score of that one........why would Minnesota kick a 21 yard FG with 00:21 left down by 4? :huh:
That was 3rd qtr :P
Quote from: sbr on December 31, 2009, 08:06:09 PM
The Ducks win carry the conferences honor tomorrow. I guarantee it. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz133%2Fsbr32%2Fsmilies%2Fcameront.gif&hash=e3937b3e3f6cf9b0f2e369db3411c5aa1041ee0f)
A Ducks win still leaves them with a losing bowl record this year. :contract:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 31, 2009, 06:20:13 PM
Someone needs to hurry up and talk some smack about the PAC10. I love that stuff.
Their bowl performances this year says enough. Smack not necessary.
Oh my goodness. The Outback Bowl is exceeding my expectations.
ANARCHY!
Awesome game.
Oregon's uniform policy is the collegiate equivalent of a chick with more shoes than she knows what to do with.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2010, 09:18:08 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 31, 2009, 06:20:13 PM
Someone needs to hurry up and talk some smack about the PAC10. I love that stuff.
Their bowl performances this year says enough. Smack not necessary.
Last i looked SEC is 2-3 in bowl games so far :P
Quote from: sbr on December 17, 2009, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 17, 2009, 03:37:10 PM
Duron Carter out of the Rose Bowl. Academically ineligible.
Fucking idiot.
They're just making excuses for the butt-kicking they will get.
uh-huh.
FUCK YOU TIM.
FUCK YOU AGAIN TIM, YOU WASTE OF AIR.
Oh sure now he comes out of his hovel to crow!
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Oh sure now he comes out of his hovel to crow!
Damn right. QUACK QUACk.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Oh sure now he comes out of his hovel to crow!
Damn right. QUACK QUACk.
I had hard time in that game, no way I can root for Ducks, but it was the Buckeyes! sigh
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 08:37:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Oh sure now he comes out of his hovel to crow!
Damn right. QUACK QUACk.
I had hard time in that game, no way I can root for Ducks, but it was the Buckeyes! sigh
You can always came to the promised land, the land of good hardworking football. And dickish fans.
And Ray Small wins the most useless Buckeye player award, suspended for yet another game.
What a useless twit.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 08:52:25 PM
And Ray Small wins the most useless Buckeye player award, suspended for yet another game.
What a useless twit.
What he do?
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 08:51:29 PM
You can always came to the promised land, the land of good hardworking football. And dickish fans.
I remember visiting OSU waaay back like 1981, I thought the dorms were cool ( I was like 8 :P )
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 08:37:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Oh sure now he comes out of his hovel to crow!
Damn right. QUACK QUACk.
I had hard time in that game, no way I can root for Ducks, but it was the Buckeyes! sigh
You can always came to the promised land, the land of good hardworking football.
You certainly can't be talking about Buckeyes fans...
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 08:55:13 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 08:52:25 PM
And Ray Small wins the most useless Buckeye player award, suspended for yet another game.
What a useless twit.
What he do?
"violation of team rules". There was a bunch of those leading up to the game.
Ray has been a problem child all these years.
Total Quackfail. Pac10 is teh sux.
Quote from: Barrister on January 01, 2010, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 08:37:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Oh sure now he comes out of his hovel to crow!
Damn right. QUACK QUACk.
I had hard time in that game, no way I can root for Ducks, but it was the Buckeyes! sigh
You can always came to the promised land, the land of good hardworking football.
You certainly can't be talking about Buckeyes fans...
Well when you cut off my quotes, you can't see who I was talking about.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2010, 08:59:05 PM
Total Quackfail. Pac10 is teh sux.
I shall refrain from response for next few hours. :shutup:
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2010, 08:59:05 PM
Total Quackfail. Pac10 is teh sux.
I shall refrain from response for next few hours. :shutup:
Tebow and Billick. What a lineup. My pants are a pigskin factory :P
I forgot about Tebow tonight. :blush:
Lol Billick is in booth?
I have the audio muted as can't stand anymore florida worship.
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 09:06:08 PM
Lol Billick is in booth?
I have the audio muted as can't stand anymore florida worship.
Billick ain't bad in the booth for the NFL games. At least that fat fuck Siragusa isn't nearby.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 09:10:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 09:06:08 PM
Lol Billick is in booth?
I have the audio muted as can't stand anymore florida worship.
Billick ain't bad in the booth for the NFL games. At least that fat fuck Siragusa isn't nearby.
He's been decent from little i can recall,
i've just been listening to music and had tv on in background since last OSU TD, so forgot the game had started already.
I'm going to gorge myself on pizza and vagina. goodnight everybody!
What's a bearcat?
Normally I wouldn't watch college football, but Billick is the man.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 01, 2010, 09:13:12 PM
What's a bearcat?
I thought I read that the nickname was based on a former player from back in 20's or something.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 09:10:11 PM
At least that fat fuck Siragusa isn't nearby.
Hey :mad:
The Goose and I share a kinship...I am to relationships what Goose is to football: a totally undervalued rookie everybody dissed, who earned his ring the hard way, slugging it out as a veteran in the trenches, and now judging all before him.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 01, 2010, 09:12:40 PM
I'm going to gorge myself on pizza and vagina. goodnight everybody!
I hope you choke on both of them, Sweatervest Monkey.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 01, 2010, 09:13:12 PM
What's a bearcat?
A Binturong, Asian sort of civet thing. But katmai is right about the name coming from a former player, at least per wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binturong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Bearcats#The_Bearcat
Quote from: ulmont on January 01, 2010, 09:19:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 01, 2010, 09:13:12 PM
What's a bearcat?
A Binturong, Asian sort of civet thing. But katmai is right about the name coming from a former player, at least per wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binturong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Bearcats#The_Bearcat
I think I read it on NCAA football 10 :lol:
For you guys with the sound turned down, you missed the announcement that FoxSports has a TEBOW CAM.
http://msn.foxsports.com/video?vid=20a94629-aa93-4be5-a088-07a928d8e44d
All Tebow, All Game Long!
Oh, and I hope you all realize this game is over, don't you?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2010, 09:27:19 PM
Oh, and I hope you all realize this game is over, don't you?
You're a bit late. This game was widely considered to be over when Brian Kelly left.
Should have been TCU - Florida and Boise - Cincy anyway.
Edit: Those all white uniforms + helmets Cincinnati is wearing are pretty groovy though, except for those.....claw marks? or whatever they're supposed to be on the pants. Never really liked stuff like that.
This gave me a good chuckle :lol:
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What are the little padlocky things all over the map?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 01, 2010, 10:02:33 PM
What are the little padlocky things all over the map?
I think they are camera icons, showing you can click on it and see a picture of that location.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 01, 2010, 10:02:33 PM
What are the little padlocky things all over the map?
Cameras, representing some sort of sight, I believe.
Fuck, what a crappy game.
Quote from: sbr on January 01, 2010, 10:13:56 PM
Fuck, what a crappy game.
Between this game and WVU losing to a 6-6 FSU, I think it is safe to say the Big east sucks. :P
A very say thing to say.
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
Last i looked SEC is 2-3 in bowl games so far :P
Still 5 games left to right that ship. :lol:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 01, 2010, 10:40:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
Last i looked SEC is 2-3 in bowl games so far :P
Still 5 games left to right that ship. :lol:
Pity they are going to lose at least two to the DIMINUTIVE DOZEN!
Billick is pretty good in the booth.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 01, 2010, 09:53:56 PM
Edit: Those all white uniforms + helmets Cincinnati is wearing are pretty groovy though, except for those.....claw marks? or whatever they're supposed to be on the pants. Never really liked stuff like that.
Yeah, I liked those uniforms, too. Especially the helmets. Much better than the black with red emblem.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 01, 2010, 11:28:16 PM
Billick is pretty good in the booth.
Yeah. I wonder if he's going to get back into coaching, or if he's going to fall in love with the short hours (although much less money) that a broadcasting career offers him.
Quote from: Neil on January 02, 2010, 08:49:50 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 01, 2010, 11:28:16 PM
Billick is pretty good in the booth.
Yeah. I wonder if he's going to get back into coaching, or if he's going to fall in love with the short hours (although much less money) that a broadcasting career offers him.
Since the contracr remaining from the Ravens runs out this year, we'll see.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2010, 08:52:28 AM
Quote from: Neil on January 02, 2010, 08:49:50 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 01, 2010, 11:28:16 PM
Billick is pretty good in the booth.
Yeah. I wonder if he's going to get back into coaching, or if he's going to fall in love with the short hours (although much less money) that a broadcasting career offers him.
Since the contracr remaining from the Ravens runs out this year, we'll see.
You know, it must be nice getting two years at full pay (with a seven-figure salary) after getting fired from a job. I just hope he doesn't end up somewhere totally shit, like the Redskins.
Quote from: Neil on January 02, 2010, 09:47:33 AM
You know, it must be nice getting two years at full pay (with a seven-figure salary) after getting fired from a job. I just hope he doesn't end up somewhere totally shit, like the Redskins.
Nah, I don't think he'll get back into coaching. Being in the booth and on all those shows on the NFL Network, he's right where he likes to be: at the center of attention.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2010, 09:49:45 AM
Quote from: Neil on January 02, 2010, 09:47:33 AM
You know, it must be nice getting two years at full pay (with a seven-figure salary) after getting fired from a job. I just hope he doesn't end up somewhere totally shit, like the Redskins.
Nah, I don't think he'll get back into coaching. Being in the booth and on all those shows on the NFL Network, he's right where he likes to be: at the center of attention.
The problem with broadcasting is that he doesn't have the podium and they're not all there to listen to him.
Still, he's a much better booth guy than Skeletor.
Why o why did they dig Pat Summerall out of his grave to do the Cotton Bowl? :bleeding:
Let the poor guy rest in peace. :weep:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2010, 02:57:06 PM
Why o why did they dig Pat Summerall out of his grave to do the Cotton Bowl? :bleeding:
Let the poor guy rest in peace. :weep:
He's going to be totally sloshed by the middle of the 3rd quarter.
The Cotton Bowl is pretty hilarious so far. WHO WANTS THAT L MORE?!
Before that last highly impressive red zone display by Ole Miss, I would have said the Pokes. Now....I'm not so sure. :hmm:
Edit: Haha and the refs get in on the extreme ineptitude now.
A bunch of Yankees haven't destroyed South Carolina like that since 1865.
Ole Miss and Oklahoma State really are playing the loser bowl. Could this be the worst bowl in history? I think so.
Quote from: Valmy on January 02, 2010, 05:29:58 PM
Ole Miss and Oklahoma State really are playing the loser bowl. Could this be the worst bowl in history? I think so.
Change to the Liberty Bowl. There has already been a turnover (Arkansas fumble).
Quote from: Valmy on January 01, 2010, 11:12:29 PM
Pity they are going to lose at least two to the DIMINUTIVE DOZEN!
You should have known better than to bet on the Cowboys. :contract:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 02, 2010, 05:50:06 PM
You should have known better than to bet on the Cowboys. :contract:
This is a good point.
Quote from: Valmy on January 02, 2010, 05:23:10 PM
A bunch of Yankees haven't destroyed South Carolina like that since 1865.
Fucking Gamecock fucks deserve it. Fuckers. UCONN fans should occupy Columbia and burn it to the ground.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 02, 2010, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 01, 2010, 11:12:29 PM
Pity they are going to lose at least two to the DIMINUTIVE DOZEN!
You should have known better than to bet on the Cowboys. :contract:
I thought surely nobody could suck more than Jevan Snead but Zac Robinson proved me wrong.
Just curious is six turnovers in one quarter a record?
I felt like this guy after watching South Carolina's shitty performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyVd4dqfT-8
I want my goddamn 3 hours and 20 bucks I bet on you back, you fucking visor fuck.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 02, 2010, 06:09:49 PM
I felt like this guy after watching South Carolina's shitty performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyVd4dqfT-8
I want my goddamn 3 hours and 20 bucks I bet on you back, you fucking visor fuck.
That Clemson fan video is linked on that page. :lol:
I didn't realize that video had been posted online. :blush:
E-coin? What the hell is this?
Oh and way to go ECU kicker. Two misses in the last....minute or so.
Edit: And now he just missed a FG in overtime too. Wow. Arkansas wins loserbowl 2.0.
Quote from: From another boardAccording to the radio he ran back into locker room and tried to hang himself. Thankfully he couldn't kick the chair out from underneath himself.
Blammo
The ESPN announcers have missed almost an entire Michigan State scoring drive, and now a good chunk of a Texas Tech drive in their efforts to make Craig James and his kid not look like whiny mooks.
"Oh hey look that guy is running for a touchdown! Good play. Mike Leach is Hitlerblahblahblah"
Ruffin McNeill still looks like he is going to die on the sidelines.
Oh for gods sake. Looks like Sparty just folded. <_<
Edit: Haha maybe MSU has a chance. Tech WR dropped a sure first down, although...they're going for it...hm
Are you rooting against the Red Raiders ?!?!? :ultra:
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 12:51:55 AM
Are you rooting against the Red Raiders ?!?!? :ultra:
Damn right: GO SPARTY!
I really dislike Michigan State as well. I just...lol they just ran the same play and got it this time...I just dislike Tech more.
You are now on the list MBM.
My step brother is at the game rooting for Tech.
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 12:54:30 AM
You are now on the list MBM.
:ph34r:
QuoteMy step brother is at the game rooting for Tech.
I wasOkay WE were thinking about going, but decided against it due to the irritations of driving around the Dome before/after big-ish games. Looks pretty full. It's definitely an entertaining game though.
Edit: Oh wow nice job Sparty. Another 4th down conversFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF touchdown tech. Close the school, burn...uh...wait where is MSU? Lansing? East Lansing...burn East Lansing to the ground.
Lansing=MSU
Ann Arbor=Michigan
Ypsilanti=E. Michigan
those are the only ones I can recall of the top of my head.
Central is in Mount Pleasant. Western is in Kalamazoo.
From what my wife has told me and what little I've seen when watching Central play Eastern, EMU is basically a 1AA school (or even "lower") shoehorned into the MAC. They also don't get anyone out to see their games. Apparently, boosters and such have to buy a bunch of extra tickets every year, etc, so they can meet the 1A attendance criteria (that I didn't know existed until she was telling me this stuff).
E: Ruffin McNeill doesn't seem like too bad of a guy.
Say it ain't so John!
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73771-anti-bcs-group-files-complaint-against-fiesta-bowl
Quote
Anti-BCS group claims Fiesta Bowl staffers pushed to donate
By Jordan Fabian - 12/28/09 03:54 PM ET
The Fiesta Bowl improperly encouraged employees to give donations to political candidates, a group said in a legal complaint filed Monday.
Playoff PAC filed a complaint with the Arizona Secretary of State's office requesting that it open a formal investigation into charges that Fiesta Bowl employees were encouraged by the bowl to give campaign contributions to political candidates. It alleged the candidates were then reimbursed by the bowl.
Such a practice would violate Arizona and federal campaign finance law that bans the funneling of corporate campaign contributions through individuals, according to the Arizona Republic.
"The Fiesta Bowl must immediately open its books so that the Secretary of State and the public can determine whether a taxpayer-subsidized entity behaved illegally," said Playoff PAC director Matthew Martinez.
The allegations were first reported by the Republic. The complaint was obtained by The Hill Monday afternoon.
The Fiesta Bowl is one of four Bowl Championship Series (BCS) games in which major college football's top teams play for national recognition and large monetary rewards for their universities. The BCS also sponsors a national championship game in which the top two schools in its complex rankings system play for the title.
The BCS has come under fire from lawmakers on who say the system unfairly favors schools from major conferences and shuts out smaller schools from winning a championship and earning a equitable portion of bowl revenues.
An investigator hired by the bowl cleared it of any wrongdoing last week but Playoff PAC says that their inquiry is insufficient.
"Not surprisingly, the Fiesta Bowl has stated that its own inquiry into these allegations revealed 'no credible evidence' that the bowl's management violated Arizona law," wrote Martinez in the complaint. "An investigation conducted by the accused party, however, merits little weight.
More than $38,000 in campaign contributions have been made since 2000 by 14 Fiesta Bowl employees, according to the Republic.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is the only U.S. lawmaker named in the report as a recipient of the donations. State lawmakers also received contributions.
As the youngest of the four BCS bowls, Fiesta Bowl officials are reportedly concerned that other well known bowls could knock it off for a BCS spot.
Playoff PAC was launched this year to encourage the creation of a college football playoff system. Several lawmakers helped establish the committee: Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and former Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii).
Barton was the sponsor of legislation that was passed through subcommittee this month urging the creation of a playoff system.
The organization says it "supports pro-reform political candidates, mobilizes public support, and provides a centralized source of pro-reform news, thought, and scholarship."
Fiesta Bowl Director of Media Relations Tony Alba declined to comment specifically on the complaint.
"We're focused on preparing for our football game," he said.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 01:03:18 AM
E: Ruffin McNeill doesn't seem like too bad of a guy.
Supposedly, he's going to at least be considered for the job on a permanent basis.
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2010, 01:47:52 PM
Supposedly, he's going to at least be considered for the job on a permanent basis.
Yeah, they were talking about that during the game. I wonder how well he recruits.
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:punk: Beat Bama!
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 01:02:02 AM
Lansing=MSU
Ann Arbor=Michigan
Ypsilanti=E. Michigan
those are the only ones I can recall of the top of my head.
MSU is in East Lansing
Quote from: Savonarola on January 04, 2010, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 01:02:02 AM
Lansing=MSU
Ann Arbor=Michigan
Ypsilanti=E. Michigan
those are the only ones I can recall of the top of my head.
MSU is in East Lansing
Thank you for the correction.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 01:03:18 AM
Central is in Mount Pleasant. Western is in Kalamazoo.
From what my wife has told me and what little I've seen when watching Central play Eastern, EMU is basically a 1AA school (or even "lower") shoehorned into the MAC. They also don't get anyone out to see their games. Apparently, boosters and such have to buy a bunch of extra tickets every year, etc, so they can meet the 1A attendance criteria (that I didn't know existed until she was telling me this stuff).
I had no idea Eastern had boosters.
They went 0-12 this year and got clobbered in about half their games. No one is going to go see that; unless he's trying to prepare for the disappointment of the next Lion's game.
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 04, 2010, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 01:02:02 AM
Lansing=MSU
Ann Arbor=Michigan
Ypsilanti=E. Michigan
those are the only ones I can recall of the top of my head.
MSU is in East Lansing
Thank you for the correction.
Yes, one mus never confuse the megalopolis of East Lansing with that sleepy town with the oh-so-similar name! :P
Anyone know any decent sports bars in the San Francisco area I can watch the game in?
A big thank you to Boise State and TCU for stinking up my television last night.
Also, a big FUCK YOU to TCU for not shutting up Boise State and their timmy like faggit fans.
I fell asleep during that game.
WHERE ARE YOUR YELLOW JACKETS NOW?
Hawkeyes have the number of the GT offense.
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 09:03:22 PM
O rly?
0 yards passing, c. 46 yards rushing at the half.
WHERE IS YOUR O RLY NOW?
last i looked still a 14-7 game at the half :P
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 09:57:40 PM
last i looked still a 14-7 game at the half :P
Are you watching the game? Tech scored off an interception.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 05, 2010, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 09:57:40 PM
last i looked still a 14-7 game at the half :P
Are you watching the game?.
Heck no it's Iowa vs Gtech, boring!
GT better score on this drive, or it's OVAH
Oh, that INT is trouble.
Can someone tell me why iowa stole the Steelers unis?
:lol: Yeah nice fake there guys.
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 11:15:31 PM
Can someone tell me why iowa stole the Steelers unis?
That goes allllllll the way back to when Hayden Frye took over, and chose the Steelers uniforms on purpose to make them feel like "winners".
Lol wtf was that run?
ahahaha
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 05, 2010, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 11:15:31 PM
Can someone tell me why iowa stole the Steelers unis?
That goes allllllll the way back to when Hayden Frye took over, and chose the Steelers uniforms on purpose to make them feel like "winners".
I was trying to troll the Mutton :P
This game has suddenly devolved into a monkey shit fight at the zoo.
TEH BIG TEN IS OUTDATED AND TOO SLOW.
Fuck.
QuoteOhio State defensive end Thaddeus Gibson will forgo his senior season and declare for the NFL draft.
"I am not leaving the Buckeye family," Gibson said in a statement. "I wish the team the very best in the upcoming years and I thank all my teammates for all their support. I will keep in touch with my Buckeye family and I love them all. I will always bleed scarlet and gray."
Gibson met with Buckeyes head coach Jim Tressel and co-defensive coordinator Luke Fickell on Monday to finalize the decision, a source said.
The 6-foot-2, 240-pound Gibson played some outside linebacker at Ohio State but eventually transitioned to defensive end and came on strong during Big Ten play in 2008. He earned second-team All-Big Ten honors this fall after leading the Buckeyes with 13 tackles for a loss and ranking second in sacks with four. Gibson also had two forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and an interception.
Hmmm alot of babble about Texas bolting for the Big 10 going on around here lately....
I think alot of people know that were the Big 10 to nab Missouri the Diminutive Dozen would probably implode and maybe we should be the ones to take off and cause the implosion instead.
But it is probably just wishful thinking...still all that sweet sweet Big 10 money...
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2010, 10:17:36 AM
Hmmm alot of babble about Texas bolting for the Big 10 going on around here lately....
I think alot of people know that were the Big 10 to nab Missouri the Diminutive Dozen would probably implode and maybe we should be the ones to take off and cause the implosion instead...
But it is probably just wishful thinking...still all that sweet sweet Big 10 money...
JOIN US. Together the Midwest and Texas shall rule the galaxy.
Also, Whew. IRONHEAD'S BOY STAYS!
QuoteHeyward, Chekwa return to Ohio State
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By Adam Rittenberg
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After losing defensive end Thaddeus Gibson to the NFL, Ohio State Buckeyes received a huge boost Tuesday when defensive lineman Cameron Heyward said he's staying in school.
Heyward, who some projected as a first-round draft pick if he declared, will anchor a talented Buckeyes defense in 2010. Cornerback Chimdi Chekwa also will return next fall.
"I sat down and talked at length with my family about my situation, and they totally support my decision," Heyward said in a statement released through Ohio State. "I've been blessed to this point. I am just having fun being a college student. ... I want to help our team achieve the goals of winning another Big Ten title and possibly accomplishing a national championship.
"If I could win some recognition, that would be great as well. I think I can be a leader for our team, and I know another season will help me become a better player."
Heyward earned second-team All-Big Ten honors and led the team with 7.5 sacks this season. He had 11 tackles for loss and a fumble recovery for a touchdown against Michigan.
Chekwa said in a statement from the team, "I am not ready to leave Ohio State, and I am looking forward to my senior season. I prayed about this decision and talked about it with my parents, and I know this is the right decision for me."
He recorded 43 tackles, an interception and eight passes defended this season.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 06, 2010, 10:19:33 AM
JOIN US. Together the Midwest and Texas shall rule the galaxy.
I don't know...going to Columbus every other year? Having my beloved city flooded by Buckeyes every other year? Big 12 fans never travel so it was sort of a shock in 2006 when they all showed up.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2010, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 06, 2010, 10:19:33 AM
JOIN US. Together the Midwest and Texas shall rule the galaxy.
I don't know...going to Columbus every other year? Having my beloved city flooded by Buckeyes every other year? Big 12 fans never travel so it was sort of a shock in 2006 when they all showed up.
Also, you'll be treated like shit when you go to Columbus. It has gotten slightly better recently, but the fan base are generally dicks towards outsiders.
They did treat the Navy folks well this year. They had to do PSA's to do it though.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2010, 10:17:36 AM
Hmmm alot of babble about Texas bolting for the Big 10 going on around here lately....
I think alot of people know that were the Big 10 to nab Missouri the Diminutive Dozen would probably implode and maybe we should be the ones to take off and cause the implosion instead.
But it is probably just wishful thinking...still all that sweet sweet Big 10 money...
That would be pretty cool, I think. The downside is all the conference away games being a thousand miles away.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 06, 2010, 01:48:10 PM
That would be pretty cool, I think. The downside is all the conference away games being a thousand miles away.
The in-state conference games would be the only loss. Stillwater and the North Division school trips would not be missed.
However the length of the trips for the non-revenue sports would be brutal...but the added income would probably make up for it. Plus it would actually benefit the academic side which is an enormous plus.
But politically I think we are wedded to the Big XII come hell or highwater.
Texas in the Big Ten seems like a move that would make lots of money but is completely against everything that college sports is supposed to be about (which probably means that's exactly what they'll do). Suddenly you're travelling a ridiculous distance for in-conference games, screwing over the in-person fans, and the student athletes.
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 02:31:05 PM
but is completely against everything that college sports is supposed to be about.
Academics? :P That is the main reason to make the move.
And do you think Lincoln Nebraska or Columbia Missouri is really that much closer than the Big 10 schools?
And don't worry it will probably not happen, Texas state politics insures Texas remains wedded to Tech and A&M.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2010, 02:25:35 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 06, 2010, 01:48:10 PM
That would be pretty cool, I think. The downside is all the conference away games being a thousand miles away.
The in-state conference games would be the only loss. Stillwater and the North Division school trips would not be missed.
However the length of the trips for the non-revenue sports would be brutal...but the added income would probably make up for it. Plus it would actually benefit the academic side which is an enormous plus.
But politically I think we are wedded to the Big XII come hell or highwater.
The football team only plays away games at a B12 North location twice a year right now. If they go to the Big 10, they'd essentially be doing that (they're all further away though) four times a year (plus the conference championship if they make it in there too..probably somewhere like Indianapolis or something). Their OOC schedule would probably be OU, TAMU, +2 Texas teams (or OSU or something if they're feeling chippy). The "other" sports wouldn't be the only ones it would be brutal for. It wouldn't be easy on the football team either. Hey...no one could whine about their OOC schedule anymore, at least. :lol:
Texas fits beautifully with the Big 10 in every way except location. The problem is they're
so far away, even with all the bullshit politics involved, etc, that alone might be enough to keep them out. The only comparable situation I can think of is South Florida. They're pretty far away from the other Big East schools. I guess Hawaii too? They're only in the WAC though.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2010, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 02:31:05 PM
but is completely against everything that college sports is supposed to be about.
Academics? :P
And do you think Lincoln Nebraska or Columbia Missouri is really that much closer than the Big 10 schools?
And don't worry it will probably not happen, Texas state politics insures Texas remains wedded to Tech and A&M.
Looking at a map I'm guessing that Minneapolis or Ann Arbor are a hell of a lot further still than Lincoln or Columbia.
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 02:53:05 PM
Looking at a map I'm guessing that Minneapolis or Ann Arbor are a hell of a lot further still than Lincoln or Columbia.
Yeah, they'd probably be in a "West" division in the Big 10. Illinois (Champaign), Iowa (Iowa City), Northwestern (Evanston), Wisconsin (Madison), Minnesota (Minneapolis), and.....Texas?
It just doesn't seem to fit.
We can just rename it back to the Western Conference and claim anything west of Philly fair game.
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 02:53:05 PM
Looking at a map I'm guessing that Minneapolis or Ann Arbor are a hell of a lot further still than Lincoln or Columbia.
Well our teams fly to Lincoln or Columbia they do not take the team bus so is it really that big of a difference?
Besides Conference USA is spread out from El Paso to Greenville North Carolina and it is probably farther from Tempe Arizona to Pullman Washington in the PAC 10. The distance doesn't seem to be a problem for other conferences.
Quote from: ValmyWell our teams fly to Lincoln or Columbia they do not take the team bus so is it really that big of a difference?
You need to be looking at the division they play every team every year in, not the two games per year in the B12 North. How big of a difference is it going to Minneapolis vs Waco? Madison vs. Stillwater? Yeah, that's a big difference.
Quote from: Valmy
Besides Conference USA is spread out from El Paso to Greenville North Carolina and it is probably farther from Tempe Arizona to Pullman Washington in the PAC 10. The distance doesn't seem to be a problem for other conferences.
Conference USA has two divisions. The one UTEP is in is different from the one East Carolina is in. The PAC-10 also has teams within a thousand miles of each other. The Big 10 with Texas would have a bunch of teams (in two divisions) fairly close to each other, then one way the fuck off somewhere else that's not even remotely close to any other schools in the conference.
Think USF, Hawaii, and...thats about it, I think, for similar situations. Edit: Louisiana Tech is in BFE relative to the other WAC schools too. Left over from when there were closer teams.
They should put Boise State in the Big 10; merge the two whiniest groups of people.
They should put Boise St. in the Pac-10 so Oregon has to play them every year. :menace:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 06, 2010, 04:48:37 PM
You need to be looking at the division they play every team every year in, not the two games per year in the B12 North. How big of a difference is it going to Minneapolis vs Waco? Madison vs. Stillwater? Yeah, that's a big difference.
Well obviously there is no comparison with the instate schools.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 06, 2010, 06:01:21 PM
They should put Boise St. in the Pac-10 so Oregon has to play them every year. :menace:
That was uncalled for. :Embarrass:
The real issue is that the Big 10 and the SEC threw down the gauntlet with their recent TV contracts and people are wondering if the Big 12 will be able to pick up said guantlet or fall way behind. Missouri, for one, is desperate to leave and if that happens...well what would the Big 12 have to offer? The lucrative Oklahoma, Kansas, and Nebraska TV markets?
I gotta say that, except for distances, Texas is a perfect fir for the Big Ten.
If taking A&M is a requirement for Texas to join the B10, I would be glad to see the B10 throw out MSU or Illinois to accomodate the Aggies. With the loss of MSU, the B10 would lose a basketball program worth keeping, but MSU (or Illinois, though much less so) don't fit the B10's academic profile any better than Texas A&M anyway, and Texas's women's programs would be a shot in the arm worth tossing MSU's basketball to get.
Mizzou's colors are just like Iowa's and the Cyclones are just like the Gophers. So I veto those. The last thing we need is another red and white school, so OU and Nebraska are out. It has to be Texas. :P
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2010, 06:04:07 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 06, 2010, 04:48:37 PM
You need to be looking at the division they play every team every year in, not the two games per year in the B12 North. How big of a difference is it going to Minneapolis vs Waco? Madison vs. Stillwater? Yeah, that's a big difference.
Well obviously there is no comparison with the instate schools.
Stillwater isn't in Texas. :P
There's no comparison with any of the schools that Texas plays every year, which is what you have to look at. Farthest away in the division is...what...Tech? You can't just say "Well...they go to Iowa State, so it's okay," when they don't go there every year, while they
would be going to play the Hawkeyes, or Badgers, or Gophers, or some other team way the hell up there every single year.
It's not even close.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 06, 2010, 07:35:19 PM
Mizzou's colors are just like Iowa's and the Cyclones are just like the Gophers. So I veto those. The last thing we need is another red and white school, so OU and Nebraska are out. It has to be Texas. :P
Here is a clear-thinking man. I call upon the NCAA to put him in charge of the Div-1A playoffs! :hatoff:
I volunteer Wyoming to be the new doormat team in a AQ conference.
Quote from: PDH on January 06, 2010, 08:03:21 PM
I volunteer Wyoming to be the new doormat team in a AQ conference.
This would work. Send Mizzou to the Big 10, bring Wyoming to the Big 12 North.
Wait. Wyoming is better than Mizzou and would probably be competing with Nebraska inside of a year. No deal. :rolleyes: Trying to sneak in acting like you'll be another Baylor or something. Ff.
Really, this would be cool though. Colorado State ( :yuk: ) would work too from the MWC, I guess.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 06, 2010, 04:48:37 PM
Think USF, Hawaii, and...thats about it, I think, for similar situations. Edit: Louisiana Tech is in BFE relative to the other WAC schools too. Left over from when there were closer teams.
USF being geographically out of place with regards to the rest of its conference is also a "leftover" situation--they weren't nearly so islolated when VT and especially Miami were in the Big East. Geographically it would have been much tidier if USF had gone to the ACC and BC had stayed in the Big East.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2010, 02:50:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 02:31:05 PM
but is completely against everything that college sports is supposed to be about.
Academics? :P That is the main reason to make the move.
And do you think Lincoln Nebraska or Columbia Missouri is really that much closer than the Big 10 schools?
And don't worry it will probably not happen, Texas state politics insures Texas remains wedded to Tech and A&M.
How does the move make sense academically? How will it have an impact at all on that, either positive or negative?
QuoteUSF being geographically out of place with regards to the rest of its conference is also a "leftover" situation--they weren't nearly so islolated when VT and especially Miami were in the Big East. Geographically it would have been much tidier if USF had gone to the ACC and BC had stayed in the Big East.
USF wasn't in the Big East when Miami, BC, and VaTech were, IIRC. That was why they got pulled up from C-USA with...uh...Louisville, Cincy, and......two basketball schools...I can't think of who's in Big East basketball right now. Marquette? Whatever who cares.
But yeah, that would have matched up nicely.
Quote from: TimHow does the move make sense academically? How will it have an impact at all on that, either positive or negative?
Texas has Big 10 level academics.
Didn't realize the Big-10 had such shitty credentials when it comes to academics.
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 01:30:13 AM
Didn't realize the Big-10 had such shitty credentials when it comes to academics.
They can't all be like Alaska - Anchorage or Texas Tech.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 07, 2010, 01:32:11 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 01:30:13 AM
Didn't realize the Big-10 had such shitty credentials when it comes to academics.
They can't all be like Alaska - Anchorage or Texas Tech.
Two schools i never went to :P
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 01:33:51 AM
Two schools i never went to :P
That's obvious. You can read. You have some sort of relatives or something at Tech though. I know these things.
(I know nothing about Alaska - Anchorage :P Tech is on my shitlist forever for the Leach thing)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 07, 2010, 01:28:21 AM
Texas has Big 10 level academics.
So why does this matter? Texas isn't going to change their academic requirements and they were already dominating their conference even though their opponents requirements weren't (I assume) as high. How does this change when they're heading to a conference that will be on a level playing field with them on that issue.
It means never having to see Ohio St or Michigan in the Rose Bowl.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2010, 01:39:24 AM
So why does this matter? Texas isn't going to change their academic requirements and they were already dominating their conference even though their opponents requirements weren't (I assume) as high. How does this change when they're heading to a conference that will be on a level playing field with them on that issue.
It's not necessarily all about sports. It looks better for the university to be associated with a bunch of other world class schools, instead of...what the Big 12 is. I'm sure there are other reasons, but I'm too sleepy to think of any right now.
Edit: I just thought of this. Another reason I would like them to be in the Big 10 is so I'd be able to see
all their sports on BTN, which I get, and currently almost never watch. Some regular season Texas baseball, which is never fucking on TV. Maybe some track and field on a Tuesday afternoon or something. See how the swim team is coming along (kicking ass as usual) some night when I can't sleep. Good for me, and good for UT and the B10, I'm sure, with a bunch of people in Texas tuning in and hooking up that Big 10 revenue sharing.
Still won't happen. Or probably won't. Oh well.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2010, 01:27:32 AM
How does the move make sense academically? How will it have an impact at all on that, either positive or negative?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Institutional_Cooperation
Man going to work today sucks all I can think about is the game tonight.
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2010, 09:10:57 AM
Man going to work today sucks all I can think about is the game tonight.
You can't synergize at work. Take the day off and synergize!
A real fan would be tailgating in Pasadena.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 07, 2010, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2010, 09:10:57 AM
Man going to work today sucks all I can think about is the game tonight.
You can't synergize at work. Take the day off and synergize!
I already took tommorow off for my booze filled celebration and the tatoo of Mack Brown clapping on my bicep I am having done.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 07, 2010, 10:22:20 AM
A real fan would be tailgating in Pasadena.
But...but....I have committed to naming my son Vincecolt McYoung :cry:
Valmy my friend, I'm sorry but I will have to predict that Bama (coached by The Antichrist) will win by at least 7. :(
Quote from: lustindarkness on January 07, 2010, 11:19:42 AM
Valmy my friend, I'm sorry but I will have to predict that Bama (coached by The Antichrist) will win by at least 7. :(
No no my friend tonight is Texas' night. They got this.
Texas will win and if you say otherwise you are fucking evil
:secret:
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 07, 2010, 11:32:46 AM
Texas will win and if you say otherwise you are fucking evil
:secret:
Mt. Cody will crush you with his manboobs.
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 07, 2010, 11:32:46 AM
Texas will win and if you say otherwise you are fucking evil
:secret:
Evil always wins, because good is dumb.
Coltback Mountain is insurmountable.
They're finally getting around to this game?
I think I was pumped about Texas Alabama - a month ago. Now?
Meh.
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 01:45:59 AM
It means never having to see Ohio St or Michigan in the Rose Bowl.
Michigan doesn't need any help with this; Rich Rod already has them covered. :homestar:
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2010, 11:23:43 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on January 07, 2010, 11:19:42 AM
Valmy my friend, I'm sorry but I will have to predict that Bama (coached by The Antichrist) will win by at least 7. :(
No no my friend tonight is Texas' night. They got this.
May the Football Gods listen to your prayers.
Quote from: Savonarola on January 07, 2010, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 01:45:59 AM
It means never having to see Ohio St or Michigan in the Rose Bowl.
Michigan doesn't need any help with this; Rich Rod already has them covered. :homestar:
LOLZ.
Welp. Corso picked Texas. Maybe next year.
Texas must lose. They remind me too much of the Cowboys for it to be any other way.
Give me some chaps and g-strings now.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 07, 2010, 08:37:17 PM
Give me some chaps and g-strings now.
No shit. Those Texas cheerleader outfits make me want to rustle some ass.
Of course, Alabama's traditional cheerleader uniforms make me want to fuck the shit out of them as well. Hell, the girls too.
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 07, 2010, 08:46:23 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I can't tell if those smilies are for the fake punt, or knowing that Valmy is punching through his refrigerator as he watches COLT MCFUCKINGCOY go to the locker room.
Meh, I'll count them both.
Oh sweet Jesus Christ. :wacko:
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 07, 2010, 09:09:35 PM
Oh sweet Jesus Christ. :wacko:
The stars at night
shine so bright
deep in the TAINT OF TEXAS
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2010, 08:57:16 PM
COLT MCFUCKINGCOY go to the locker room.
That may be the ballgame right there.
interesting 1st quarter
Quote from: lustindarkness on January 07, 2010, 09:17:37 PM
interesting 1st quarter
Simply delaying the inevitable: another convincing SEC victory over an overrated Big XII team.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 07, 2010, 09:16:02 PM
That may be the ballgame right there.
Quite possibly. Looks like Greg Davis is going to go with run, run, screen, punt with the freshman QB, which won't work. I could call plays against an offense like that.
Oh well it was a nice couple of plays for mccoy. Good game Bama. :bowler:
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 07, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
Oh well it was a nice couple of plays for mccoy. Good game Bama. :bowler:
:lol:
There's been more footage of McCoy walking to and from the x-ray room to the locker room with his jersey off than there was of him on the field.
Buh bye, Texas.
Gotta suck for McCoy. Play to get to this game only to get knocked out on the third play.
:lol: I feel kinda bad for Garrett Gilbert. His last name is Gilbert. Not that it matters really.
Hit on McCoy didn't look bad at all.
Game is over. Texas could go the entire game without another first down.
Maybe they can shoot Colt up with some cortizone and Tylenol, so he can at least attempt to make this a game.
See, Texas? This is what happens when you have no real running game. You make baby Ricky Williams cry. Hell, even baby Eric Metcalf is crying.
Then again, Vince Young is at the game, and like Herbstreit said, he did leave with a year of eligibility left.
Ouch, interception. Poor kid.
When they showed Colt's dad walking into the locker room I imagined the coaches telling them "we can juice you up and get you back on the field but there's a chance of a career ending injury. Your call."
The poor kid is juiced. He keep overthrowing it.
Fucking Ingram can fucking run right thru fucking tackles.
This game is so over.
And I was worried, what with having to go in early tomorrow. Lulz.
holy shit
:lmfao: They need to just put Chiles in and run the option. Poor Gilbert looks like he's going to cry, he's throwing picks, when he does get it to a WR, they drop it. Fuck it. Option time.
Wow, this is turning into a massacre.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 07, 2010, 10:07:01 PM
:lmfao: They need to just put Chiles in and run the option. Poor Gilbert looks like he's going to cry, he's throwing picks, when he does get it to a WR, they drop it. Fuck it. Option time.
No shit. Run the fucking double-T. Do something.
Poor Gilbert, though. No 18 year old should be expected to deal with this sort of thing.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2010, 10:20:18 PM
No shit. Run the fucking double-T. Do something.
Poor Gilbert, though. No 18 year old should be expected to deal with this sort of thing.
Nope. Hopefully it won't carry over to next year, when he's going to be the starting QB.
Good practice for the kid. Toughen him up real good :D
The part of Joe Theismann will be played by Garret Gilbert and the part of Joe Washington will be played by DJ Monroe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz7YcpLJa9c&feature=related
Man am I having Super Bowl XVIII flashbacks...it is like being back in the Nam
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2010, 10:20:18 PM
Poor Gilbert, though. No 18 year old should be expected to deal with this sort of thing.
Yeah this thing is tragedy going on farce. Too bad I really thought they had something going on but McCoy getting injured was just too much for the offense to handle.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 07, 2010, 10:07:01 PM
when he does get it to a WR, they drop it.
When we get the new WR class in we need to put Buckner and Williams on the bench. Those two guys come up small over and over again. Buckner nearly gave away the Big XII title and then he drops a short pass when we really needed it. Marvelous work for a little used situational wide out.
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2010, 10:34:35 PM
When we get the new WR class in we need to put Buckner and Williams on the bench. Those two guys come up small over and over again. Buckner nearly gave away the Big XII title and then he drops a short pass when we really needed it. Marvelous work for a little used situational wide out.
Any big names coming in at WR? I haven't been paying attention to recruiting.
Edit: Really doesn't need to be a "name," just a guy who can hang on to the ball.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 07, 2010, 10:44:38 PM
Any big names coming in at WR? I haven't been paying attention to recruiting.
Edit: Really doesn't need to be a "name," just a guy who can hang on to the ball.
I feel sort of dirty talking recruiting when the title game is still going on but yeah Texas got three of the top WRs and just a few days ago the top guy in Texas Darius White committed...but you know how recruits are. You can never really know until you see them play a few saturdays.
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2010, 10:54:53 PM
I feel sort of dirty talking recruiting when the title game is still going on but yeah Texas got three of the top WRs and just a few days ago the top guy in Texas Darius White committed...but you know how recruits are. You can never really know until you see them play a few saturdays.
Don't feel dirty. The game has been over since McCoy got hurt.
Good that they can essentially replace the entire WR corps though.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 07, 2010, 10:56:54 PM
Don't feel dirty. The game has been over since McCoy got hurt.
Good that they can essentially replace the entire WR corps though.
I think that was the plan. Break in a whole new crew of WRs to go with Gilbert for next year. It was getting pretty obvious the guys we had were just not working out.
Holy shit that was a nice pass.
Edit: Nice onside kick too ahah.
I don't know how I would have thought about hearing a key play in this game would be a 44 yard TD pass from Garret Gilbert to Jordan Shipley.
Malcolm Williams does it again man. Interfered with or not he should have had that.
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
I don't know how I would have thought about hearing a key play in this game would be a 44 yard TD pass from Garret Gilbert to Jordan Shipley.
Malcolm Williams does it again man. Interfered with or not he should have had that.
:yes: They wasted that opportunity.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 07, 2010, 11:13:22 PM
:yes: They wasted that opportunity.
Still down by 11 with one quarter to go. Gilbert has a cannon...I mean the chances aren't great but the team hasn't quit yet Hod bless em.
Tooth Fairy, wtf!
How the Rock has fallen. :weep:
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2010, 11:14:58 PM
Still down by 11 with one quarter to go. Gilbert has a cannon...I mean the chances aren't great but the team hasn't quit yet Hod bless em.
Yeah, I can't believe they've managed to keep it this close. Unfortunately for Gilbert, it might come down to that pick six on the shovel pass, but who knows.
Edit: A tooth fairy movie? What?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 07, 2010, 11:16:11 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2010, 11:14:58 PM
Still down by 11 with one quarter to go. Gilbert has a cannon...I mean the chances aren't great but the team hasn't quit yet Hod bless em.
Yeah, I can't believe they've managed to keep it this close. Unfortunately for Gilbert, it might come down to that pick six on the shovel pass, but who knows.
Edit: A tooth fairy movie? What?
It looked like a horrible ripoff of The Santa Clause
Well, it's good to see that justice was done. At least, insofar as justice can be done in a game between two evil teams.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2010, 11:18:25 PM
It looked like a horrible ripoff of The Santa Clause
I didn't see it, just kinda vaguely heard it from the other room. Had to ask my wife if I heard that right, then read your post, and I still wasn't sure. :lol:
Basically the Rock is a hockey player who's a kill joy trying to crush a little girl's belief in the tooth fairy (daughter of girlfirend?) or something like that and he ends up being turned into one.
:bleeding: That sounds awful.
Edit: In game news: Gilbert appears to have gotten comfortable, and really doesn't look too bad anymore. He's got a really slow windup though, or I might just be seeing things.
OH SHIT TOUCHDOWN
This kid is growing up right in front of the world.
Hell to the fucking yeah.
Just keep throwing it to Shipley man.
Now we've got ourselves a game.
Did I speak too soon? the Longhorns are making a game of it.
WELP
Time to start drinking? :(
Talk about getting jinxed by the announcers.
Well at least we got some honor and respect back at a game that could have beena total route.
Man this one will always be the great what might have been game. Our team really came to play proud of them...well except Malcolm Williams.
Quote from: Valmy on January 07, 2010, 11:56:03 PM
Well at least we got some honor and respect back at a game that could have beena total route.
Man this one will always be the great what might have been game. Our team really came to play proud of them...well except Malcolm Williams.
It's gonna be the game that everyone remembers as the one that made Gilbert a real QB.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 07, 2010, 11:59:47 PM
It's gonna be the game that everyone remembers as the one that made Gilbert a real QB.
It's amazing how much better he got as the game went on. Just threw another pick, but hey...he almost brought them all the way back.
I will say that the best thing about Mack Brown as a coach is his teams just don't quit. Both our losses the past two years featured disastrous first halves and heroic second halves and really it is pretty remarkable. I think everybody watching except the Bill in Sinton-esque fanatics had written this thing off as a blowout at half time.
What knocked out the pansie ass QB named Colt anyways?
Well good game Bama. ;)
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 12:03:44 AM
What knocked out the pansie ass QB named Colt anyways?
Got a helmet to the shoulder broke his collar bone I think.
Worst thing about this game, Seedy won't shut the hell up about SEC is OMGWTF
Quote from: Valmy on January 08, 2010, 12:06:52 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 12:03:44 AM
What knocked out the pansie ass QB named Colt anyways?
Got a helmet to the shoulder broke his collar bone I think.
He's got two of them! sheesh kids these days.
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 08, 2010, 12:06:22 AM
Well good game Bama. ;)
Sorta wish they hadn't scored that last touchdown but yeah GG Bama.
At least Saban got hit with the gatorade cooler. Yes I know, small comfort.
Great game by both teams.
Quote from: Valmy on January 08, 2010, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 08, 2010, 12:06:22 AM
Well good game Bama. ;)
Sorta wish they hadn't scored that last touchdown but yeah GG Bama.
Well I don't blame them seeing as how an 18-year old freshman nearly ruined their shit.
Of course if McCoy had been healthy... :)
Ok, here's how each conference fared in the bowls:
SEC: 6-4
Big 10: 5-3
MTNW: 4-1
Big 12: 4-4
Big East: 3-2
ACC: 3-4
WAC: 2-2
CUSA: 2-4
PAC 10: 2-5
(Independents): 1-0
SB: 1-1
MAC: 1-4
I wouldn't read too much into this, but it is interesting.
Quote from: dps on January 08, 2010, 12:26:19 AM
PAC 10: 2-5
Oh wow.
Also:
QuoteMAC: 1-4
:cool: Nice job, Central.
TCU ruined what was almost one of the best Bowl Seasons ever for a non-AQ conference. Pity.
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 12:07:20 AM
Worst thing about this game, Seedy won't shut the hell up about SEC is OMGWTF
:P
Well, to borrow a meme from Berkut, if Alabama played in the PAC10, they'd have at least 3 losses.
IN BOWL GAMES :yeah:
LOLZ LOLZ SEC SEC SEC
Naw I'll leave Seedy alone. :lol: :homestar:
Edit (stolen and rehosted): (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg707.imageshack.us%2Fimg707%2F2765%2Fcapture2621551.jpg&hash=9960b8fcf2f958365298a49872348bdfe2b4c4b9)
Poor Lee Corso.
The final Coaches Poll is up:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/coaches
No. School Record Points Prev
1 Alabama (58) 14-0 1450 1
2 Texas 13-1 1360 2
3 Florida 13-1 1323 5
4 Boise State 14-0 1312 6
5 Ohio State 11-2 1190 8
6 TCU 12-1 1104 3
7 Iowa 11-2 1087 11
8 Penn State 11-2 1071 9
9 Cincinnati 12-1 943 4
10 Virginia Tech 10-3 940 12
11 Oregon 10-3 846 7
12 Brigham Young 11-2 814 14
13 Georgia Tech 11-3 741 10
14 Nebraska 10-4 671 19
15 Pittsburgh 10-3 667 16
16 Wisconsin 10-3 587 22
17 LSU 9-4 530 13
18 Utah 10-3 466 24
19 Miami (Fla.) 9-4 336 15
20 Southern California 9-4 217 27
21 Mississippi 9-4 192 32
22 West Virginia 9-4 159 17
23 Texas Tech 9-4 152 29
24 Central Michigan 12-2 123 26
25 Oklahoma State 9-4 92 18
Others Receiving Votes: Navy(10-4) 89; Oregon State(8-5) 78; Clemson(9-5) 75; Oklahoma(8-5) 67; Stanford(8-5) 49; Auburn(8-5) 17; Georgia(8-5) 13; Houston(10-4) 12; Middle Tennessee(10-3) 12; Arizona(8-5) 11; Arkansas(8-5) 10; Connecticut(8-5) 10; Florida State(7-6) 9; Rutgers(9-4) 7; Air Force(8-5) 7; Northwestern(8-5) 6; East Carolina(9-5) 4; Southern Methodist(8-5) 1
Updated: (01/08/2010) at 02:00 EST
Edit: Hm...the Texas and Bama records weren't updated, but the time on there is from just a few minutes ago. I fixed it, but I wonder if this isn't really it or something. :huh:
Oh and fuck Oklahoma State. Navy should be 25.
AP too, same update time:
No. School Record Points Prev
1 Alabama (58) 13-0 1498 2
2 Texas (2) 13-0 1425 3
3 TCU 12-1 1376 4
4 Cincinnati 12-1 1302 5
5 Florida 13-1 1253 1
6 Boise State 14-0 1237 6
7 Oregon 10-3 1128 7
8 Ohio State 11-2 1080 8
9 Georgia Tech 11-3 952 12
10 Iowa 11-2 925 9
11 Penn State 11-2 883 10
12 Virginia Tech 10-3 866 11
13 LSU 9-4 686 15
14 Miami (Fla.) 9-4 660 17
15 Brigham Young 11-2 658 16
16 Oregon State 8-5 524 13
17 Pittsburgh 10-3 514 14
18 West Virginia 9-4 447 24
19 Stanford 8-5 390 23
20 Nebraska 10-4 371 21
21 Oklahoma State 9-4 349 22
22 Arizona 8-5 323 29
23 Utah 10-3 151 26
24 Wisconsin 10-3 133 27
25 Central Michigan 12-2 64 32
Others Receiving Votes: East Carolina(9-5) 53; Houston(10-4) 50; Texas Tech(9-4) 44; Southern California(9-4) 38; Northwestern(8-5) 35; Clemson(9-5) 31; California(8-5) 14; Mississippi(9-4) 14; North Carolina(8-5) 7; Oklahoma(8-5) 7; Tennessee(7-6) 6; Missouri(8-5) 4; Georgia(8-5) 1; Mont(14-1) 1
Updated: (01/08/2010) at 02:00 EST
:hmm:
Boise state gets no respect.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 08, 2010, 02:20:12 AM
Boise state gets no respect.
I like how the AP gives them the big fuck you and puts TCU ahead of Boise in their final poll (assuming that is the final poll) despite the win. ^_^
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 08, 2010, 02:26:05 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 08, 2010, 02:20:12 AM
Boise state gets no respect.
I like how the AP gives them the big fuck you and puts TCU ahead of Boise in their final poll (assuming that is the final poll) despite the win. ^_^
That's alright, they also have Oregon over Ohio State, Cincy over Florida and Gtech over Iowa just off the top of my head.
Quote from: sbr on January 08, 2010, 02:32:56 AM
That's alright, they also have Oregon over Ohio State, Cincy over Florida and Gtech over Iowa just off the top of my head.
Oklahoma State over Mississippi is another one. It seems like it's all fucked up, but the aside from Texas and Bama are up to date.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 08, 2010, 02:36:52 AM
Quote from: sbr on January 08, 2010, 02:32:56 AM
That's alright, they also have Oregon over Ohio State, Cincy over Florida and Gtech over Iowa just off the top of my head.
Oklahoma State over Mississippi is another one. It seems like it's all fucked up, but the aside from Texas and Bama are up to date.
Maybe it is the AP's big fuck you to the entire BCS, and bowl system. They did pull their poll out of the BCS rankings formula recently.
Boise St vs Alabama for all the marbles!
The ninja edit failed up on my previous post.
There's a different one on ESPN.com now makes more sense.
1 Alabama (60) 14-0 1500
2 Texas 13-1 1399
3 Florida 13-1 1370
4 Boise State 14-0 1366
5 Ohio State 11-2 1224
6 TCU 12-1 1163
7 Iowa 11-2 1126
8 Cincinnati 12-1 1060
9 Penn State 11-2 1016
10 Virginia Tech 10-3 953
11 Oregon 10-3 886
12 Brigham Young 11-2 806
13 Georgia Tech 11-3 768
14 Nebraska 10-4 724
15 Pittsburgh 10-3 697
16 Wisconsin 10-3 571
17 LSU 9-4 501
18 Utah 10-3 491
19 Miami (FL) 9-4 310
20 Mississippi 9-4 296
21 Texas Tech 9-4 224
22 USC 9-4 216
23 Central Michigan 12-2 166
24 Clemson 9-5 125
25 West Virginia 9-4 91
* Others receiving votes: Oklahoma 90, Oregon State 89, Navy 85, Stanford 67, Oklahoma State 40, Rutgers 37, Auburn 8, Georgia 7, Florida State 6, Connecticut 5, Arizona 5, Middle Tennessee 4, Air Force 3, Arkansas 3, Villanova 2
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 08, 2010, 02:20:12 AM
Boise state gets no respect.
Timmay team switch in progress.
CRAZY IVAN!
Clemson @ 24 :cool:
How the fuck does Clemson get 20 times as many votes as Georgia? :glare:
They left us at #2. Thanks coaches :wub:
Lane Kiffin is leaving Tennessee to replace Carroll at USC.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=td-kiffin011210&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Quote from: sbr on January 12, 2010, 09:09:02 PM
Lane Kiffin is leaving Tennessee to replace Carroll at USC.
:lmfao:
Oh man, SC is gonna regret that one.
[billymayes]
AND, as an ADDED BONUS at NO ADDITIONAL COST, another reason to hate USC!
[/billymayes]
Anything that keeps Tennessee in disarray is good news afaiac. :cool:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 12, 2010, 09:22:01 PM
Anything that keeps Tennessee in disarray is good news afaiac. :cool:
The drawback on this one, see, is now there's an opportunity for them to actually land a good coach. THINK SON I'M A'CUTTIN BUT YOU AINT A'BLEEDIN
Wow. It's not every day that you think that maybe Al Davis isn't the biggest asshole in any confrontation these days.
Al Davis: Vindicated.
From the Knoxville newspaper:
Students, fans greet Kiffin with obscenities
By Dave Hooker
Dozens of students and fans marched into the Neyland-Thompson Sports Complex on Tuesday night chanting obscenities at Tennessee coach Lane Kiffin, who was informing his players about his departure to Southern California.
The crowd then moved to an office area where an impromptu press conference was being held for Kiffin.
Police were called to quell the crowd, which calmed down once officers arrived.
The crowd eventually became rowdy and were asked to disperse without incident.
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As bad as the Urban Meyer think looked, I'd hate to be a Tennessee fan right now. This is almost the worst time to hire a coach. Take too long, and you will fuck up recruiting. Do it too quickly, and you may not get the best candidate. As I side note, I tried to log on to a Vols message board, but of course the webpage isn't loading. I'm assuming it's getting overloaded with traffic. The same thing happened to the Gator message boards when the Urban Meyer thing happened.
I still don't see how Al Davis is vindicated by this. :huh:
I mean if Kiffin hadn't spent 6 years at USC and was jumping at this job then maybe yeah. But I don't think he took the UT job expecting USC to open up in the foreseeable future.
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2010, 10:39:06 PM
I still don't see how Al Davis is vindicated by this. :huh:
Because it means that Lane Kiffin is an untrustworthy, useless douchebag.
Of course, Davis is still a crazy old man who has no business running a pro football team, but at least it shows that his broken brain is right from time to time.
Take that you defensive coordinator stealing dirtbags! Suffer the way the Bucs suffered when old man kiffin agreed to run out on us while being 9-3!! :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :boff:
Urban Meyer at tonight's UF-UK game finding out that Lane Kiffin was leaving for USC:
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Quote from: Neil on January 12, 2010, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2010, 10:39:06 PM
I still don't see how Al Davis is vindicated by this. :huh:
Because it means that Lane Kiffin is an untrustworthy, useless douchebag.
That's not why Davis fired him, though.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 12, 2010, 09:24:51 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 12, 2010, 09:22:01 PM
Anything that keeps Tennessee in disarray is good news afaiac. :cool:
The drawback on this one, see, is now there's an opportunity for them to actually land a good coach. THINK SON I'M A'CUTTIN BUT YOU AINT A'BLEEDIN
Yeah, but it's getting embarrassing for the Vols now. I mean, when somebody would rather coach at Duke than at your school, you better be talking about coaching basketball, not football.
Quote from: dps on January 15, 2010, 09:59:58 AM
Yeah, but it's getting embarrassing for the Vols now. I mean, when somebody would rather coach at Duke than at your school, you better be talking about coaching basketball, not football.
They could use a Peyton Manning pep talk.
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2010, 10:37:59 AM
Quote from: dps on January 15, 2010, 09:59:58 AM
Yeah, but it's getting embarrassing for the Vols now. I mean, when somebody would rather coach at Duke than at your school, you better be talking about coaching basketball, not football.
They could use a Peyton Manning pep talk.
They could use a Dick Butkus pep talk.
Even if Al Davis was vindicated, he's still a POS for the way he's stringing out Tom Cable.
Y'all sound like women discussing their celeb rags. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2010, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2010, 10:37:59 AM
Quote from: dps on January 15, 2010, 09:59:58 AM
Yeah, but it's getting embarrassing for the Vols now. I mean, when somebody would rather coach at Duke than at your school, you better be talking about coaching basketball, not football.
They could use a Peyton Manning pep talk.
They could use a Dick Butkus pep talk.
Dick Butkus didn't go to school at Tennesee, so it would be less meaningful.
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2010, 07:48:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2010, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2010, 10:37:59 AM
Quote from: dps on January 15, 2010, 09:59:58 AM
Yeah, but it's getting embarrassing for the Vols now. I mean, when somebody would rather coach at Duke than at your school, you better be talking about coaching basketball, not football.
They could use a Peyton Manning pep talk.
They could use a Dick Butkus pep talk.
Dick Butkus didn't go to school at Tennesee, so it would be less meaningful.
Probably lots of Tennessee football players didn't actually go to school there. ;)
Quote from: dps on January 15, 2010, 11:39:29 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2010, 07:48:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2010, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2010, 10:37:59 AM
Quote from: dps on January 15, 2010, 09:59:58 AM
Yeah, but it's getting embarrassing for the Vols now. I mean, when somebody would rather coach at Duke than at your school, you better be talking about coaching basketball, not football.
They could use a Peyton Manning pep talk.
They could use a Dick Butkus pep talk.
Dick Butkus didn't go to school at Tennesee, so it would be less meaningful.
Probably lots of Tennessee football players didn't actually go to school there. ;)
Well-played! :thumbsup:
UTSA football got their first $1,000,000 donation today. :)
For comparison, last I heard (several months ago), the current UTSA athletic budget is $10,000,000. They have, of course, raised a bunch of money already, but nothing that "big" all at once.
Edit: It's going to be used to help fund scholarships for the first batch of recruits (this year). Practice starts this coming fall, the first loss is in fall 2011.
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:punk:
U of Texas-San Antonio?
Quote from: sbr on January 19, 2010, 03:13:43 PM
U of Texas-San Antonio?
Yeah. 1AA Independent (Southland Conference, where the rest of their teams are, in 2013). They're wanting to eventually move to 1A football, but I doubt that's happening any time soon.
Quote from: sbr on January 19, 2010, 03:13:43 PM
U of Texas-San Antonio?
The school that is known as 'Texas' in football is actually University of Texas-Austin and since it was the first UT we (as I work there) get to be called UT.
The others are as follows:
The University of Texas at Arlington
The University of Texas at Brownsville
The University of Texas at Dallas
The University of Texas at El Paso
The University of Texas at Tyler
The University of Texas of the Permian Basin
The University of Texas–Pan American
UT El Paso already plays Division I-A football and I expect a few of the others to come along as time goes on.
Great. They can join the B12 when the Longhorns join the B10.
Go Roadrunners. :cool:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2010, 01:47:52 PM
Supposedly, he's going to at least be considered for the job on a permanent basis.
Yeah, they were talking about that during the game. I wonder how well he recruits.
Guess we'll find out. He didn't get it, but did get the East Carolina job.
Quote from: dps on January 23, 2010, 08:08:02 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2010, 01:47:52 PM
Supposedly, he's going to at least be considered for the job on a permanent basis.
Yeah, they were talking about that during the game. I wonder how well he recruits.
Guess we'll find out. He didn't get it, but did get the East Carolina job.
Good for him on getting chance at some school.
But what is up with the serious alliteration at Tech now? :P
Quote from: katmai on January 23, 2010, 08:09:52 AM
Quote from: dps on January 23, 2010, 08:08:02 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 03, 2010, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: dps on January 03, 2010, 01:47:52 PM
Supposedly, he's going to at least be considered for the job on a permanent basis.
Yeah, they were talking about that during the game. I wonder how well he recruits.
Guess we'll find out. He didn't get it, but did get the East Carolina job.
Good for him on getting chance at some school.
Yeah. I didn't realize, but not only is he an ECU graduate, he was born in this area, too. So if he's successful, they may actually have a chance to keep him long-term.
The Pac-10 has a real shot at breaking the record for the number of teams from a single conference making it to the NIT.
Quote from: Berkut on January 25, 2010, 09:43:46 AM
The Pac-10 has a real shot at breaking the record for the number of teams from a single conference making it to the NIT.
Uh...
Quote from: katmai on January 25, 2010, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 25, 2010, 09:43:46 AM
The Pac-10 has a real shot at breaking the record for the number of teams from a single conference making it to the NIT.
Uh...
I'm assuming he is being intentionally ironic.
Quote from: grumbler on January 25, 2010, 01:15:04 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 25, 2010, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 25, 2010, 09:43:46 AM
The Pac-10 has a real shot at breaking the record for the number of teams from a single conference making it to the NIT.
Uh...
I'm assuming he is being intentionally ironic.
I can never tell with Berkie :blush:
Oregon continues to show that Blount was no accident:
Quote from: Ted MillerIt wasn't a great weekend for the Oregon football team.
First, Ducks kicker Rob Beard was in critical condition Sunday after he was involved in a brawl on campus a day earlier, The Oregonian reported.
Second, two football players have been accused of stealing several items from a fraternity early Sunday morning, the Eugene Register-Guard reported.
While the Internet is afire with rumors about what happened at the fraternity, the Register-Guard didn't include any names in its report "because they have not been identified by police as suspects or persons of interest, and no arrests have been made."
Chip Kelly, your Pac-10 Coach of the Year!
You'd think with all that TEAM SPEED, they could outrun anything.
Hey guys, a question for ya:
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers are looking for a new head coach. They're interviewing the same, tired list of re-treat CFL co-ordinators that have shuffled all over the league.
But I keep wondering why they don't look further afield?
What does a co-ordinator at an NCAA school earn in a year? Either at a big powerhouse school, or more of a mid-major. Low six figures? If so, I wonder why the Bombers don't try to go after someone like that...
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 06:56:19 PM
Hey guys, a question for ya:
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers are looking for a new head coach. They're interviewing the same, tired list of re-treat CFL co-ordinators that have shuffled all over the league.
But I keep wondering why they don't look further afield?
What does a co-ordinator at an NCAA school earn in a year? Either at a big powerhouse school, or more of a mid-major. Low six figures? If so, I wonder why the Bombers don't try to go after someone like that...
Well at big schools they can make as much as Washington's DC whose salary is $700,000.
But from what i've read it usually in the low six figures for most schools.
That's about what I figured.
Why wouldn't some aspiring defensive co-ordinator from, I dunno, Oregon State, come up and try his hand at being a pro head coach for awhile?
Or, I could just be projecting that I wish there was some way we could get Mike Riley (the last Bomber coach to win a Grey Cup, and now the head coach at Oregon State) to come back. :blush:
I can't easily look it up right now, but I think Muschamp (Horns DC) makes $900k a year.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 26, 2010, 09:00:40 PM
I can't easily look it up right now, but I think Muschamp (Horns DC) makes $900k a year.
Which is why I was suggesting a coach from a lesser school than UTexas.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 09:09:14 PM
Which is why I was suggesting a coach from a lesser school than UTexas.
Hey he'd be a steal compared to what they'd have to pay Mack Brown. :P
Is the coach at UTSA really Larry Coker? Wow...
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 07:43:41 PM
That's about what I figured.
Why wouldn't some aspiring defensive co-ordinator from, I dunno, Oregon State, come up and try his hand at being a pro head coach for awhile?
Or, I could just be projecting that I wish there was some way we could get Mike Riley (the last Bomber coach to win a Grey Cup, and now the head coach at Oregon State) to come back. :blush:
:console:
What a steal Trestman is! That won't last tho.
Quote from: Valmy on January 27, 2010, 08:51:24 AM
Is the coach at UTSA really Larry Coker? Wow...
Yeah, they hired him last year.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 27, 2010, 09:14:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 27, 2010, 08:51:24 AM
Is the coach at UTSA really Larry Coker? Wow...
Yeah, they hired him last year.
Funny UTSA can hire national championship coaches and A&M hires NFL rejects.
Quote from: Valmy on January 27, 2010, 09:22:46 AM
Funny UTSA can hire national championship coaches and A&M hires NFL rejects.
:lol:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Eastern-Washington-literally-seeing-red-over-new?urn=ncaaf,216240
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:bleeding: Turf that isn't green is the worst thing ever.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 30, 2010, 07:33:33 PM
:bleeding: Turf that isn't green is the worst thing ever.
What do you expect from Spocompton?