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Started by Ed Anger, April 04, 2009, 01:36:06 PM

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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 08, 2009, 10:09:49 PM
Those records are completely meaningless without who those wins are against.  I mean Texas has not lost a non-conference game since 2006 but um...most of those games have been against Central Florida and Louisiana Monroe.

Well, mostly it's SEC teams beating up on small Southern schools and Pac 10 teams beating up on small Western schools. I don't think it's completely meaningless though; it does say something about the quality of the teams on the bottom of the conference.

USC played Ohio State and Notre Dame

Oregon played Boise State, Purdue and Utah

Oregon State played Cincinnati

Cal played Maryland and Minnesota

Washington played LSU and Notre Dame

ASU went to Georgia

Arizona played in Iowa

UCLA played at Tennessee

Stanford played at Wake Forest and Notre Dame

The Pac-10 regularly plays the best non-conference schedule of any BCS conference, and it isn't really close.

Berkut

I would love to see a playoff system that takes 16 teams.

And you know what? They should choose the teams by committee, like the NCAA hoops tourney does.

And if you play nothing but patsy's in your OOC, that should matter, just like it does in the hoops tourney.

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sbr

Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
I would love to see a playoff system that takes 16 teams.

And you know what? They should choose the teams by committee, like the NCAA hoops tourney does.

And if you play nothing but patsy's in your OOC, that should matter, just like it does in the hoops tourney.

I am not big on the idea of a playoff but that is the only real option for one; the 10 Div 1 conference winners and 6 at large bids chosen by committee.  It would hurt the regular season but there is no other viable playoff ideas.  This year the SEC Championship game would be irrelevant, both Florida and Alabama would be in the playoff no matter what happened in the SEC CG,

Berkut

Not at all irrelevant, since seeding will be based on the outcome of that game.
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Eddie Teach

Where are you getting the 6 ranked teams from? I don't see more than 4 anywhere. The USA Today poll just has 3(and it ranks Auburn as well).
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Quote from: stjaba on November 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
For those(paging Dr. Money) who like the numbers behind the standings:

I'm glad you posted that, because I was going to yell at you.

CountDeMoney

Face it, fellas:  the SEC Championship game will be the National Championship game.
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Berkut

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 10:37:08 PM
Where are you getting the 6 ranked teams from? I don't see more than 4 anywhere. The USA Today poll just has 3(and it ranks Auburn as well).

Sagarin ratings, which is, as far as I know, the only ranking that actually rank conferences in any kind of objective manner.
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Berkut

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: stjaba on November 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
For those(paging Dr. Money) who like the numbers behind the standings:

I'm glad you posted that, because I was going to yell at you.

And neither of those teams would get out of the Pac-10 without at least one loss, probably two.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
Sagarin ratings, which is, as far as I know, the only ranking that actually rank conferences in any kind of objective manner.

Computer rankings aren't allowed to consider the scores, which makes them highly suspect imo.
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Valmy

Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
Sagarin ratings, which is, as far as I know, the only ranking that actually rank conferences in any kind of objective manner.

Sagarin had Texas at 14 behind lots of 2 loss teams...which I find rather absurd even for a computer :P
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Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: stjaba on November 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
For those(paging Dr. Money) who like the numbers behind the standings:

I'm glad you posted that, because I was going to yell at you.

And neither of those teams would get out of the Pac-10 without at least one loss, probably two.

You're talking about Florida and Alabama, right? 
Just making sure that you are, in fact, making the claim that Florida and Alabama, if they were in the PAC-10 would have 1 if not 2 losses.  Correct?  You're actually saying that, right?

Berkut

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: stjaba on November 08, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
For those(paging Dr. Money) who like the numbers behind the standings:

I'm glad you posted that, because I was going to yell at you.

And neither of those teams would get out of the Pac-10 without at least one loss, probably two.

You're talking about Florida and Alabama, right? 
Just making sure that you are, in fact, making the claim that Florida and Alabama, if they were in the PAC-10 would have 1 if not 2 losses.  Correct?  You're actually saying that, right?

Yep.
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Berkut

Quote from: Valmy on November 08, 2009, 10:55:18 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
Sagarin ratings, which is, as far as I know, the only ranking that actually rank conferences in any kind of objective manner.

Sagarin had Texas at 14 behind lots of 2 loss teams...which I find rather absurd even for a computer :P

Shrug. It is a computer - of course it is going to have some odd ranking in particulars.
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Neil

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2009, 10:55:56 PM
You're talking about Florida and Alabama, right? 
Just making sure that you are, in fact, making the claim that Florida and Alabama, if they were in the PAC-10 would have 1 if not 2 losses.  Correct?  You're actually saying that, right?
Any given Saturday, and whatnot.  If you increase the number of quality games that a team plays, you increase their chances of losing.
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