Edit: Useful links:
http://www.rozzwell.com/vqmanifest/ Card manifest
http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?7@@.1dd437e5/915 errata and faq from 28 June
There has been talk of 2nd game once these guys were done iirc.
Oh and since you've been scarce Mr. Ginger with a kid...Happy 40th old man.
I missed a place in 1st one, so I'm for 2nd :)
Me as well.
Thanks, Kat.
Hmm, three players within 30 minutes. Perhaps we can get something going pretty quickly here?
Quote from: Delirium on June 17, 2012, 04:39:08 AM
Thanks, Kat.
Hmm, three players within 30 minutes. Perhaps we can get something going pretty quickly here?
You might want to check with Martinus and Minksy, who just barely missed the cutoff for the previous game.
I might be interested.
Well I am interested but I don't know if I want to drag two games down with my newb-ish-ness. If you need a 6th I'll join but would be fine sitting out if someone else wants in.
I'm game if you want someone around to tell you why every move you make is illegal or wrong.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 17, 2012, 02:05:18 PM
I'm game if you want someone around to tell you why every move you make is illegal or wrong.
:yes:
avoiding it is a game in itself :lol:
Quote from: Habbaku on June 17, 2012, 02:05:18 PM
I'm game if you want someone around to tell you why every move you make is illegal or wrong.
We live for such things.
Could this mean that we have:
Delirium
Szmik
Solmyr
Habbaku
Katmai (?)
Sbr, if you are completely new to these games I agree that it might be too much to handle two of them at once. A more experienced sixth (?) player would probably be preferable if we can find such a man.
Soooo, any would-be queens floating about?
If no one else wants to, I'd be up. I feel like my though process/approach has been given a significant overhaul over the course of our current game (if only just greater familiarity with the wicked cards that VQ has that HIS does not!).
Habs should play Spain. :contract:
In that case we have:
Delirium
Szmik
Solmyr
Habbaku
Garbon
And maybe Katmai. Let us see if he responds or if we get another sixth man (his reply here seems non-commital but I believe he said in the other thread that he would like to play when given the chance).
Should we assign countries randomly or by preference? Personally I will take anything, new game and all.
I could in theory play anything but probably shouldn't play anything that's very noob-unfriendly. HRE or England sounds interesting, maybe Ottomans (although Habs will crush me if he's Spain :P).
Spain, I'd agree should be restricted to the experienced.
Oh btw, here's the link to the errata.
http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX?233@@.1dd437e5/809!enclosure=.1dd7017c
Right, assuming only five players at the moment since Kat has not responded how do we proceed? Play a five player game or ask sbr along even though he by his own admission is newbish to HIS and VQ? What say you?
We could also PM Minsky or Mart as they both had expressed interest and maybe overlooked this thread?
That or the first game scared them away. :D
Would prefer sbr (or someone) to five player game. :)
I sent a pm to Minsky.
So anything happening?
:zzz
Altough it would be my third game, I can jump in as 6th player guys. Our VG game is bound to be over in a turn or two anyways, with England and France deciding to have a co-op parallel VP race, with the first past the mark winning it all.
Sorry Del, totally forgot about thread. If Tamas or minsky don't want to do it, let me know. Like sbr a noob to this game/HiS, but willing to try.
Quote from: katmai on June 22, 2012, 01:47:31 AM
Sorry Del, totally forgot about thread. If Tamas or minsky don't want to do it, let me know. Like sbr a noob to this game/HiS, but willing to try.
I will give up the place to you or Minsky, Kat. Or anyone, basically. I just said I'll jump in if there are no other takers.
understood, just saying my noobness is drakken like!
Quote from: katmai on June 22, 2012, 01:49:23 AM
understood, just saying my noobness is drakken like!
that bad, ha?
:P
Quote from: katmai on June 22, 2012, 01:49:23 AM
understood, just saying my noobness is drakken like!
If you note, Del's stated concern was that sbr was trying to play 2 at once.
So you in or out, K? :P
i said i'm up for it if they can stand Drakkenesque noobness.
Now we just need to locate Del. :D
Excellent! It is Midsummer's here in Scandinavia, so everything grinds to a halt. If someone wants to get the game setup today it would be great, I will not be home until tomorrow.
Habs could do it maybe, since he's good at setting up these things? He can also assign Spain to himself and roll the rest. :P
Our players are:
Delirium
Garbon
Habbaku
Katmai
Solmyr
Szmik
Habs is away this weekend so you're on your own for a day or two.
When it comes to country assignment I can take anything, including Spain (without any assurances at all that I know what I am doing).
Does everyone have an active ACTS account? I know Garbon, Solmyr and I do, but what about everyone else?
I'll try to set us up on ACTS, at least.
The only ones I can't find are Szmik and Katmai. Both of them need to post or PM me the names they registered on ACTS.
Role assignments based on some rolls I made (with some executive decision to assign myself to Spain and Garbon to anyone but the Protestants) :
Ottomans : Delirium
Spain : Habbaku
England : Szmik
France : Garbon
HRE : Solmyr
Protestants : Katmai
Feel free to trade roles if you feel uncomfortable about your particular position. And for the love of God, read the rules better than Drakken and Tamas. France and the Protestants should pay special attention to the religious stuff.
Habbu,
Nope no current ACTS account, creating one now.
created
katmai73 for username.
Quote from: katmai on June 22, 2012, 02:01:34 PM
i said i'm up for it if they can stand Drakkenesque noobness.
I haven't been Habbakized for a while, though. Guess I'm getting better at it. :showoff:
Quote from: katmai on June 24, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
created
katmai73 for username.
Username isn't what ACTS lets the game-starter use to look up players. It's either the name you registered under or the e-mail. I found you, but I doubt I'll be able to do the same with Szmik...
Quote from: Drakken on June 24, 2012, 08:35:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 22, 2012, 02:01:34 PM
i said i'm up for it if they can stand Drakkenesque noobness.
I haven't been Habbakized for a while, though. Guess I'm getting better at it. :showoff:
Oh i'm sure i'll be bugging Habbu at beginning of game at least.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 24, 2012, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 24, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
created
katmai73 for username.
Username isn't what ACTS lets the game-starter use to look up players. It's either the name you registered under or the e-mail. I found you, but I doubt I'll be able to do the same with Szmik...
Understood, i registered under katmai73 as well i thought.
I'm happy with HRE.
Just to post some vital links in this thread too.
Rules: http://www.gmtgames.com/living_rules/VQ_Rules_Final_Lo-Res.pdf
Scenario book: http://www.gmtgames.com/living_rules/VQ_ScenarioBook_Final_Lo-Res.pdf
Map: http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1238107.jpg
Card manifest: http://rozzwell.com/vqmanifest/
I have a question about the only HRE sea captain. He can send an expedition but HRE has no colonies, so is piracy the only purpose of such an expedition? Circumnavigation also does not seem to allow HRE captains.
Ah, two birds in one feather! There is a new errata (and new FAQ) that covers your question: http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX/.1dd437e5/880 (http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX/.1dd437e5/880)
QuotePage 25, Section 16.6, Circumnavigation:
Change the headings of the third and fourth bullets to "English, French, Holy Roman, Protestant".
I am perfectly happy with the Ottomans. One of the powers that I have been most curious about, in fact (in both positive and negative ways to be honest).
I can create game files on cyberboard if I get everyone's email address and start the mail list that way.
Should we allow pre-game diplomacy? :pirate
Quote from: Habbaku on June 24, 2012, 05:27:20 PM
Role assignments based on some rolls I made (with some executive decision to assign myself to Spain and Garbon to anyone but the Protestants) :
Ottomans : Delirium
Spain : Habbaku
England : Szmik
France : Garbon
HRE : Solmyr
Protestants : Katmai
interesting :)
QuoteFeel free to trade roles if you feel uncomfortable about your particular position. And for the love of God, read the rules better than Drakken and Tamas. France and the Protestants should pay special attention to the religious stuff.
I read them 3 times and played 2 solo games to the end last weekend. Pretty scarce diplo while soloing, mostly based on obvious win-win trades, but ppl hardly ever agree on that in real game. :ph34r:
Anyway there're some interesting flows and VP count is strict, but much depends on lucky dice - patronage, piracy, marriages.
Starting the game on ACTS soon. Feel free to engage in diplomacy. I'll send game files later tonight unless Del beats me to it.
I have only received a single email address, so I doubt that. Sooo, who here likes Turks?
You can see the e-mails in ACTS.
:blush:
Even better, ACTS automated announcement email includes all addresses. Files coming up.
Queens of Languish, ahem only france is a queen!
Quote from: katmai on June 25, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
Queens of Languish, ahem only france is a queen!
And he's the belle of the ball! :wub:
Sent a treasure file out. Please stick to the file naming convention or we're going to experience mass confusion.
Either I'm almost isolated diplomatically or people have not started diplomatizing yet... :cry:
:pope:
I don't know how else to interpret the fact that the only diplomatic message relayed to me was to enquire if I wanted to pay for the play of an event. <_<
I edited in some links in the first post.
Quote from: Delirium on June 26, 2012, 08:59:52 AM
I don't know how else to interpret the fact that the only diplomatic message relayed to me was to enquire if I wanted to pay for the play of an event. <_<
What can i say, playing hard to get. :P
:blurgh: :osama:
There needs to be a Protestant smiley to complete these... :smarty: ?
What does the big doggy marker next to the treasure rows mean? Also, what's the deal with Portuguese treasures being numbers?
The big doggy is the great protector of Spain's treasure fleet. He rolls 3d9 dice in defense of Spain.
The numbers on the Portuguese treasures are to easily keep them separated in case of attack and to prevent my having knowledge about what is potentially being taken from the Eggplants when they get raided.
Awaiting a final response on one offer, but otherwise Spain is ready.
The Sultan has no offers to consider, so the Ottoman Empire are done.
France is done with diplomacy.
England is done with diplomacy
HRE is waiting for one reply, then done.
Spain offers an alliance to France.
Spain offers to marry Philip II to Anna of Saxony.
Spain offers to marry Don Carlos to Elizabeth de Valois and to give France a card draw in exchange.
England offers to marry Elizabeth to Charles II of Austria and receive 3 mercenaries in return.
France accepts the betrothal of Don Carlos to Elisabeth de Valois and accepts the card draw.
France declines the offer of an alliance with Spain as Catherine fears the realm is too unstable at this time.
France offers to receive 1 merc from the HRE.
HRE accepts the betrothal of Philip II to Anna of Saxony.
HRE accepts the betrothal of Charles II of Austria to Queen Elizabeth and gives 3 mercenaries to England.
HRE gives 1 mercenary to France.
Protestants don't have anything to confirm/deny, so we're off to war declarations and spring deployments.
Spain has no wars to declare (despite grousing about the perfidious, lying French, that is).
Del's up to SD.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 26, 2012, 02:33:03 PM
Spain has no wars to declare (despite grousing about the perfidious, lying French, that is).
Nothing less than shouldering us with the nutcase. We stated that we were most displeased.
:shifty:
HRE does not declare any wars.
Quote from: garbon on June 26, 2012, 02:38:55 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 26, 2012, 02:33:03 PM
Spain has no wars to declare (despite grousing about the perfidious, lying French, that is).
Nothing less than shouldering us with the nutcase. We stated that we were most displeased.
We have paid you significantly for your little bi-...er, comely lass.
Sent out a diplomacy file to bring us up to date.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 26, 2012, 02:45:04 PM
We have paid you significantly for your little bi-...er, comely lass.
And we likely angered our friends by accepting that previously unheard of offer.
I'm all about anger. :yeah:
I am sure Elisabeth and Don Carlos will love each other very much. :)
He promises to restrict the drool to one side of the bed.
Who know what those kinky French girls are into.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 26, 2012, 02:54:35 PM
I'm all about anger. :yeah:
is Ed involved somehow? :glare:
Fascinating stuff this 'diplomacy' with which you people occupy yourselves. And this whole marrying business, fascinating...
Ottoman Empire has no announcements and no wars to declare at this point.
SD is 3 regulars to Belgrade, file sent. Over to Mordor, er...Madrid.
The Duke and 2 regulars head to Milan.
My galleon will head off to protect the Treasure Fleet as well.
Szmik's up to SD (though everyone else should just go ahead with their own).
1R3M to Berwick
1r to La Rochelle
Solmyr's up to SD.
Unless Del wants to wait on the HRE SD (which will probably be to send troops to Pressburg or Szigetvari), he's up to play.
What if i had SD huh!
Quote from: katmai on June 26, 2012, 07:42:25 PM
What if i had SD huh!
Then the Duke of Alva would meet your army and destroy it.
Schwendi, 1r, 2m to Pressburg.
Also picked my home card (dropping the one I won't use on my power card) and religious preference. Though, I don't think anyone can actually be sure that I pick the same card between CB and ACTS? Do I need to demonstrate it somehow?
Quote from: Solmyr on June 26, 2012, 11:28:46 PM
Also picked my home card (dropping the one I won't use on my power card) and religious preference. Though, I don't think anyone can actually be sure that I pick the same card between CB and ACTS? Do I need to demonstrate it somehow?
I never ran into the situation where I had to pick between two home cards in the other game - but wouldn't it be easier to put the card you are picking face down on your powercard? Since you have ownership of it, we won't be able to see it until you flip it over - when you've played it. Then in the CB file, we'll all be able to see during playback that it matches what you said you played in ACTS.
Garbon's correct for the most part, but if he owns it we won't be able to see it even if he flips it over. Only when he releases ownership and flips it can we see what the card is.
Okay then, I'll put the card I use on my power card when I'm next doing a CB file.
Right here goes. I will use my home card Ottoman Tribute for 5 cp.
1/5 naval moves to west med and aegean sea respectively
I forget the convention here, whether I should pause for Storms or other viciousness before I continue. Will do so now.
I think you can proceed, and we will retroactively adjust it if someone plays a response.
The downside to retroactive adjusting is if a side is very succesful (generally speaking, not this case particularly). Anyway.
Quote1/5: Dragut+3 to Barbary Coast; Piyale Pasha+3 to Aegean Coast.
2-3/5: Dragut tries to steal stuff in Barbary Coast.
Fortresses kill one corsair, remainder score two hits, rewards pending.
Quote4/5 All naval units converge in Ionian Sea.
Spain rolls a 9 to intercept so can potentially do so, will assume no though.
Quote5/5 build cavalry in Istanbul
File will have to wait for Phil's decisions.
On a different note, I messed around a bit with a more detailed Sequence of Play. Feel free to look at it and comment on any errors or omissions.
Your SD section seems to be out of order. The actual SD part of moving troops from capital occurs last, I believe.
Quote from: Delirium on June 27, 2012, 03:46:50 AM
File will have to wait for Phil's decisions.
That doesn't make any sense. I only have one legal option on my rewards since rewards have to be split equally--you get 1 VP and 1 random card from my hand.
So...I give 1 VP and 1 random card from my hand.
Regardless, when the pirate scum sail into the Ionian Sea, the holy fleet will sally out to meet them. With some assistance, of course :
QuoteSpain: Play Card as Operations
#14: 1 / Signal Fires [RESPONSE]
Message from Spain:
We will fight the Ottoman scourge when they sail into the Ionian Sea.
Play just before attempting an intercept roll with a stack of your naval units currently in one of your home ports. The intercept automatically succeeds. Roll 2 extra dice in the naval battle that ensues.
QuoteSpain: Play Card as Event
#9: 1 / Fire Ships [COMBAT]
Message from Spain:
Gain 2 extra dice in a naval combat. Increase this number to 4 extra dice if attacking an enemy fleet in a port space or if fighting against the Spanish Armada.
The ensuing battle predictably goes against Spain, though.
1 Papal and 1 Spanish squadron sunk. 1 Ottoman corsair sunk. Spanish galley retreats to Messina.
Spanish play :
QuoteSpain: Play Card as Event
#30: 3 / Ruler Falls Ill
Message from Spain:
Play against any other major power. Choose to have that power either: -- discard one card (chosen at random), or -- skip his next impulse and allow you to return one of his army leaders to his capital (or another home fortified space he chooses if the capital is under siege or controlled by another power).
Event, force the Ottomans to discard a card.
Del needs to discard a card.
Off to Szmik to play.
Question, when you play a response card, can you have it occur before a person's stated impulse action occurs - even if the card doesn't say to play it then?
Yes, though it obviously depends on the response card in question.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#19: 3 / Diplomatic Miscue
Message from England:
1/3 2r2m to Edinburgh
then if not interrupted
3/3 build Galeon in Berwick
English move
Okay here's my card - hopefully I'm doing this right as else I would have played after Habs's move.
Quote#13: 1 / Reiters [RESPONSE]
If played by Ottomans, they eliminate 2 mercenaries anywhere on map. If played by any other power, place 2 of your power's mercenaries in any single space. Space chosen must be under friendly control but it does not have to be a home space for your power. You may increase it to 4 mercenaries if the space chosen is no more than 2 land connections from a home space of the Holy Roman Empire. [FAQ: Space chosen may not be under siege or in unrest.]
Message from France:
2 mercs pop into Edinburgh before English arrive. Everyone runs inside.
There's nothing preventing you from playing that even during the English play, Garbon, so you're fine.
The sequence would go like so :
English announce card play.
English announce what they're using their CPs for. "Move X troops to Edinburgh."
France plays response card to send Reiters.
English troops actually arrive, besiege Edinburgh.
Now it's to France to play their impulse card.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 27, 2012, 09:01:23 AM
That doesn't make any sense. I only have one legal option on my rewards since rewards have to be split equally--you get 1 VP and 1 random card from my hand.
I know, I was talking about a, a possible response card (eg Storms), and b, whether to fight a battle in Ionian.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 27, 2012, 09:37:59 AM
Now it's to France to play their impulse card.
Any moment now...
Quote from: Solmyr on June 27, 2012, 10:01:54 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 27, 2012, 09:37:59 AM
Now it's to France to play their impulse card.
Any moment now...
Oh I'm sorry, some of us have things called work.
Oh and I'll put szmik's impulse into my file.
He sent his own file.
Quote#66: 5 / Sea Beggars
Message from France:
1-2/5 Suppress heresy in France
Wow...abject failure at that go. Let's try again...
3-4/5 Supress Heresy in France
Alright a little more like it. La Rochelle, Nantes and Rouen convert. Last hit dropped as we've hit the minimum number of Protestant spaces in France.
5/5 - Add one diplomatic influence to Venice
Quote from: Solmyr on June 27, 2012, 10:12:18 AM
He sent his own file.
Oh just saw it. Oh well. I put everything he did in. :)
Using PotA home card to patronize Bellaso and draw a card.
Over to Katmai.
Wow, the Spanish hand was really not that good. On a different note, my random discard was unfortunate...
Katmai, since you're new here, let me strongly recommend a minimum of one Preach Sermon actions to increase the number of Protestant spaces (don't know if you're aware of the auto-win feature if you have 9 or less spaces, leaving France or Spain with an early win). :secret:
Quote from: Delirium on June 27, 2012, 10:38:29 AM
Wow, the Spanish hand was really not that good.
still it served him well, but dice didn't
Question, if someone else plays a Protestant conversion event, do they get to decide which spaces are converted?
Thanks Del, was already planning on that, just trying to decide what crappy cards to start with :D
Unless otherwise specified in the event text, the assumption is that the player of the event chooses all effects, unless there is a very basic rule I have missed somewhere.
Let's see if i get this right :P
Quote#12: 2 / Galleasses [RESPONSE]
Message from Protestants:
Preaching Sermons in Netherlands 1-2/2
Request: 6-sided die x 5
4
4
6
2
3
So two minor and one major conversion, my noob question is not sure reading Protestant Conversion Conditions
Quoteb) The space is adjacent to a space under Protestant religious
influence (even if across a pass) or is a port connected to a sea
zone that contains other ports under Protestant religious influence.
The adjacent space or port may not be in unrest and must
have been Protestant at the start of this step of the procedure.
where I can use these conversions.
Alkmaar, Amsterdam, Brielle, Flushing and Dunkirk border North Sea and thus have access to Protestant influence from England.
Ghent is protestant and thus grants access to anything around it. Munster (in HRE) is also Protestant so Zutphen is eligible.
You can then use 6 that to spread influence as first step* or you can save it till 2nd step to allow you to convert a province that has a catholic unit present.
*As an example if you used 6 to convert Zutphen in first step, then you'd be able to convert Arnhem and Gronigen in next step. Alternatively if you save till 2nd step, you can use on Antwerp or Brussels.
Quote from: garbon on June 27, 2012, 11:38:30 AM
Alkmaar, Amsterdam, Brielle, Flushing and Dunkirk border North Sea and thus have access to Protestant influence from England.
Ghent is protestant and thus grants access to anything around it.
Ah thanks, i didn't realize the sea port was taken so liberally. And damn thanks for heads up, i didn't even notice Ghent's affilation :blush:
I recommend using the '6' on Antwerp. :Canuck:
Quote from: garbon on June 27, 2012, 11:38:30 AM
Alkmaar, Amsterdam, Brielle, Flushing and Dunkirk border North Sea and thus have access to Protestant influence from England.
So if understanding correctly using minor conversions on Flushing & Brielle and the major to flip Antwerp.
Heh Del, great minds think alike.....ours too!
Quote from: katmai on June 27, 2012, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 27, 2012, 11:38:30 AM
Alkmaar, Amsterdam, Brielle, Flushing and Dunkirk border North Sea and thus have access to Protestant influence from England.
Ghent is protestant and thus grants access to anything around it.
Ah thanks, i didn't realize the sea port was taken so liberally. And damn thanks for heads up, i didn't even notice Ghent's affilation :blush:
Well it is specifically because both London and Norwich border and they are by default Protestant.
Yeah i wasn't realizing it could be across the Sea to foreign ports, mea culpa. Oh and if my move is valid I'll tackle the CB updating my moves and send it to Del.
Quote from: katmai on June 27, 2012, 12:14:24 PM
Yeah i wasn't realizing it could be across the Sea to foreign ports, mea culpa. Oh and if my move is valid I'll tackle the CB updating my moves and send it to Del.
Totally valid.
Alright so flip those three,
change the amount of protestant spaces in CB and ACTS
anything else i'm forgetting?
To send the file. :P
Off to Del.
Quote#62: 3 / Northwest Passage
Message from Ottoman:
1-2/3 Piracy in Ionian Sea.
Anti-pirates first score two for two. Reading the rules they seem to kill first a corsair and then a regular galley with the odd hit. Ouch. Dragut then scores one hit, so up to Spain to settle on a reward. I need to defer play of my final cp until then.
I'll sink my remaining galley.
Last cp spent to influence the doge in Venice to enjoy his neutrality. File coming. Spain up.
Del, you need to make sure you're loading the previous player's files before doing your move, else we're going to have trouble going forward...
Sorry about the delay, but I'm going to have to delay again to offer something to both Garbon and Szmik.
I have German Recruitment Curtailed which will eliminate all the mercenaries from a single space. I'm willing to play it for either France or England to purge Edinburgh of the other side's troops (in the case of France, it would actually break the siege; in the case of England, just make it much easier to take the city).
Either of you have any offers worth my time?
France is uninterested.
England would offer to marry Elizabeth, but Spain lacks candidates. Not much else to offer at the moment. :sleep:
Cheap-skates.
QuoteSpain: Message
Home card for CPs :
1-2/5 - Build Galley in Messina.
3-4/5 - Build Galley in Cartagena.
5/5 - Raise a mercenary in Seville.
Szmik's up.
Queen prefers to remain virgin for now and sends her sincerest apologies to Emperor. Which is all she offers.
QuoteRequest: 6-sided die x 1
1
Message from England:
Jilted roll
:nelson:
This is what you get for gambling, Sol. Next time, take the guarantee.
Garbon's up.
Hey, gambling can be fun. Elizabeth is just a bitch. :P
Quote from: Habbaku on June 27, 2012, 09:24:25 PM
:nelson:
This is what you get for gambling, Sol. Next time, take the guarantee.
:yes:
If he'd been suitably generous he could have had Elisabeth.
Also, I'm drunk so I'll be playing my impulse in the morning. Sorry kids.
Typical of the French. :frog:
Quote from: Habbaku on June 27, 2012, 05:59:33 PMDel, you need to make sure you're loading the previous player's files before doing your move, else we're going to have trouble going forward...
Right, I partly blame szmik and garbon for mixing up their files last round.
Quote from: szmik on June 27, 2012, 09:23:24 PMQueen prefers to remain virgin for now and sends her sincerest apologies to Emperor. Which is all she offers.
One downside to being the Sultan is that you do not get to be a part of deals about these things. On the other hand, you can laugh everytime they backfire. :face:
Quote from: Habbaku on June 27, 2012, 09:12:17 PMCheap-skates.
I am surprised neither of them thought it worthwhile actually. The Sultan would have paid.
Quote from: garbon on June 27, 2012, 08:07:45 AM
Your SD section seems to be out of order. The actual SD part of moving troops from capital occurs last, I believe.
That was my intended meaning but also wanted to include the country specific stuff, made a small adjustment, posting new file. Any other thoughts? The purpose here is first of all to simplify ftf play through cutting down on rule book browsing and secondly to help new folks into the flow of the game.
Quote from: Delirium on June 28, 2012, 07:33:25 AM
Right, I partly blame szmik and garbon for mixing up their files last round.
Well that was solely my fault. -_-
Quote from: Delirium on June 28, 2012, 07:33:25 AMI am surprised neither of them thought it worthwhile actually. The Sultan would have paid.
Why? My attempts to hold on Scotland are simply as a CP-sink for England (I've currently expended 1 cp!) If he'd taken it, that would fufill my ambitions. :D
Play coming soon! :blush:
Playing French Home Card to add wedding festivities to the marriage of Elisabeth and Don Carlos. French draw a card.
Quote from: garbon on June 28, 2012, 08:17:37 AMWhy? My attempts to hold on Scotland are simply as a CP-sink for England (I've currently expended 1 cp!) If he'd taken it, that would fufill my ambitions. :D
The fact that it keeps you within two keys of auto-victory surely has nothing to do with it. :smarty:
Quote from: Delirium on June 28, 2012, 11:07:05 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 28, 2012, 08:17:37 AMWhy? My attempts to hold on Scotland are simply as a CP-sink for England (I've currently expended 1 cp!) If he'd taken it, that would fufill my ambitions. :D
The fact that it keeps you within two keys of auto-victory surely has nothing to do with it. :smarty:
Without some sort of merc granting response event, almost a given that England takes Edinburgh in Turn 1. Besides, Scotland will certainly have a dip check either this turn or next.
Heretic is up.
No, the Emperor is Russian.
The heretic is snow-Mexican.
Did Sol pass?
Passed out, maybe, but didn't pass.
He is up, though, you're right. For some reason, I thought he made his play.
The Emperor takes a loan from Genoa. No file, next person can put a -1 card marker on my power card.
Quote2 / Muscovy Company
Place a "+1 Card" marker on your power card. You draw 1 extra card next turn (representing new revenues from trade with Muscovy).
And updated file with Sol and my actions sent out.
You ignored the French file (which was already numbered 13), where they placed the wedding festivities marker.
Quote from: Solmyr on June 28, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
You ignored the French file (which was already numbered 13), where they placed the wedding festivities marker.
Ah you are right, hadn't dl'd it. will send a correct file.
My play will be up shortly.
Quote#21: 5 / Foreign Volunteers
Message from Ottoman:
1/5 Build corsair in Scutari.
2/5 Move all fleets to Adriatic Sea.
3-4/5 Piracy in Adriatic
QuoteRequest: 6-sided die x 5
4
5
1
6
5
Message from Ottoman:
First die is Ravenna fortress, rest is Dragut's four dice
What do you know. Seems like 2 vp and a card for Dragut's efforts.
Quote5/5 Move fleet back to Ionian
File coming. Spain will be out of cards so England is up.
Hard to beat dice like that. Anyone have Dragut Falls, by chance?
Quote from: Habbaku on June 28, 2012, 04:22:34 PM
Hard to beat dice like that. Anyone have Dragut Falls, by chance?
Not that I have it, but it could still be canceled with Grand Vizier, right?
QuoteGrand Vizier: If played to cancel an event, play it after the event is declared but before it is resolved. Can not be used to cancel Mandatory Events, Combat cards, Response cards, or Home cards.
Unfortunately, no, according to this Card FAQ towards the end of the Scenario Book (and on close reading the Vizier card actually says "any one Event card as an event"). Dragut Falls, as well as several other nasty events are in fact Response cards... :(
First of all, England is still up.
Secondly, didn't Habs forget to draw a treasure at setup?
Quote from: Delirium on June 29, 2012, 05:59:39 AM
QuoteGrand Vizier: If played to cancel an event, play it after the event is declared but before it is resolved. Can not be used to cancel Mandatory Events, Combat cards, Response cards, or Home cards.
Unfortunately, no, according to this Card FAQ towards the end of the Scenario Book (and on close reading the Vizier card actually says "any one Event card as an event"). Dragut Falls, as well as several other nasty events are in fact Response cards... :(
Okay. Can Grand Vizier cancel mandatory events?
Read the faq text again. ;)
Quote from: Delirium on June 29, 2012, 06:06:43 AM
First of all, England is still up.
Secondly, didn't Habs forget to draw a treasure at setup?
Yeah, I forgot that Spain starts with one. I'll draw one and play it real quick (assuming it was played with my home card play and likely doing something innocuous with it).
Turned out to be the science bonus chit, which makes things pretty easy. :yeah:
Spain gets Coastal Fortifications.
An excellent choice! :smarty:
I was waiting for Spain :Embarrass:
But he's passing for the rest of the turn.
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#65: 2 / Puritans
Message from England:
1/2 1 merc to Berwick
2/2 1r2m from Berwick to Edinburgh
File sent.
If you are having trouble determining who is up or why they haven't made their move, it's probably your turn.
Tactically-speaking, though, why are you piling more troops onto Edinburgh?
Garbon's up.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 29, 2012, 10:22:29 AM
If you are having trouble determining who is up or why they haven't made their move, it's probably your turn.
it didn't occur to me until now, could have done my move last night
QuoteTactically-speaking, though, why are you piling more troops onto Edinburgh?
Garbon's up.
Must be Eastern European thing of overthinking moves. :contract:
See: Tamas :secret:
Wait, you think Tamas actually thinks about his moves?
Sorta ... yes :ph34r:
Quote#50: 4 / Council of Troubles
Message from France:
1/4 Villegaignon and free colony in Guinea Coast
2/4 Villegaignon moves to Antilles where he drops colony in Florida (risky!)
3-4/4 Villegaignon initiates piracy attempt in Antilles
Villegaignon scores two hits for 1vp and 1 Spanish treasure. Villegaignon takes his treasure back home.
Garbon, I made a file with all the relevant stuff (including treasure award), so no need for one from you.
Off to Katmai.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 29, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
Garbon, I made a file with all the relevant stuff (including treasure award), so no need for one from you.
Off to Katmai.
:glare:
:goodboy:
You going to make a play, then, Sol?
Quote from: Habbaku on June 29, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
Garbon, I made a file with all the relevant stuff (including treasure award), so no need for one from you.
Off to Katmai.
Oh then yes, everyone ignore mine! :)
Heh it's okay I remember that you are playing Sol.
My turn will be later as on phone at movie theater.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 29, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
You going to make a play, then, Sol?
I will, as soon as someone tells me which of the two #18 files is the correct one. :P
And while you all are pondering that, I have a rules clarification and an offer. It seems the Genoese decided to let me finance the Spanish Treasure Fleet, which would generate two treasures (or well, an extra one for the Spanish row and then Habs would decide which two to send with the fleet). If I'm reading the rules correctly, it's absolutely useless to Habs atm since he has no cards to spend any treasures with. On the other hand, the English and the French could potentially position their captains to intercept it, if I played it later to give them time. So I'm wondering if the Enligsh or the French are willing to cut the Emperor in on the treasure deal. Or well, if the Spanish are willing to offer something to get the fleet away before anyone can pirate it.
As an aside, does the pirate marker already in Antilles affect the possible treasure fleet pirating in any way?
Quote from: Solmyr on June 29, 2012, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 29, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
You going to make a play, then, Sol?
I will, as soon as someone tells me which of the two #18 files is the correct one. :P
A question that has already been answered.
Quote from: Solmyr on June 29, 2012, 01:56:40 PM
If I'm reading the rules correctly, it's absolutely useless to Habs atm since he has no cards to spend any treasures with.
Correct. If it had been played earlier, I could have given them to the Ottomans instead of VPs, but they're now useless to me unless I get pirated in Europe.
QuoteOn the other hand, the English and the French could potentially position their captains to intercept it, if I played it later to give them time. So I'm wondering if the Enligsh or the French are willing to cut the Emperor in on the treasure deal. Or well, if the Spanish are willing to offer something to get the fleet away before anyone can pirate it.
I have no interest in when it's played at this point.
QuoteAs an aside, does the pirate marker already in Antilles affect the possible treasure fleet pirating in any way?
No effect whatsoever.
RE : The Treasure Fleet, though, Sol, do you really think it's in your best interest that you give England and France a heads-up about it? France is already doing rather well for itself (they swiped a 4 CP treasure in addition to the VP) and you're potentially setting them up for even more VPs.
There is nothing they can offer you that will make up for you essentially handing them VPs.
Well the alternative is me pirating you, Habs. :P
With Henzlein? Go for it.
It's not like there's any risk in it at the moment.
I'll be generous though. You know who your friends are. ;)
Since you'll need to mess with the treasures I won't send a file, can you just add 1 regular for me in Szigetvar? Also, should Villegaignon be on the turn track?
Quote from: Solmyr on June 29, 2012, 02:23:09 PM
It's not like there's any risk in it at the moment.
I'll be generous though. You know who your friends are. ;)
A real friend would find some way to get me a card so I could play those treasures to help them. ;)
Katmai's up.
Sorry, I don't have anything that could do that. I didn't expect you to run out of cards this fast. :P
Your home card lets you do it, actually, but you've already played it.
I expected to run down my hand fairly quickly due to the pretty crappy state of it (and usefulness of the two 1-CP naval cards), but, of course, the hot piracy dice popped any chances of my actually holding cards.
It'd be nice if you could build your galley at some point, though...
I plan to but the Adriatic has already been pirated and I'm not at war with Ottomans anyway, so it's not a big hurry right now.
Quote from: Solmyr on June 29, 2012, 02:23:09 PM
Also, should Villegaignon be on the turn track?
Yes, I believe that's the case.
Quote from: Delirium on June 28, 2012, 04:17:08 PMSpain will be out of cards so England is up.
Quote from: Delirium on June 29, 2012, 06:06:43 AMFirst of all, England is still up.
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 10:20:43 AM
I was waiting for Spain :Embarrass:
But he's passing for the rest of the turn.
:huh: Am I on your ignore list? :yeahright:
Quote from: Delirium on June 29, 2012, 02:43:24 PM
Quote from: Delirium on June 28, 2012, 04:17:08 PMSpain will be out of cards so England is up.
Quote from: Delirium on June 29, 2012, 06:06:43 AMFirst of all, England is still up.
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 10:20:43 AM
I was waiting for Spain :Embarrass:
But he's passing for the rest of the turn.
:huh: Am I on your ignore list? :yeahright:
:zipped:
/comment about Eastern Europeans
Unless Katmai does something truly spectacular upon leaving the theatre, my next play will be that a 1 cp card produces a cavalry in Nicopolis, so you can skip right to England after the Protestants are done.
Oh, sorry, could someone else please tell England that he's up at that point. ;)
Quote from: Delirium on June 29, 2012, 02:57:23 PM
Unless Katmai does something truly spectacular upon leaving the theatre, my next play will be that a 1 cp card produces a cavalry in Nicopolis, so you can skip right to England after the Protestants are done.
Oh, sorry, could someone else please tell England that he's up at that point. ;)
*hears buzzing noise*
Hmm, did somebody say something? :P
Must have been a fly? :nelson:
Anyway, while Katmai goes back home I could make my play in advance :D
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 03:30:22 PM
Anyway, while Katmai goes back home I could make my play in advance :D
Are you sure that Spain is passing, though? Might want to check with them first.
Treachery I understand, sure. But Tilbury on top of it? Why play Treachery at all if you're honestly worried about him dealing out 4 hits to you while you get 0 in exchange (which would be the only case in which Treachery fails to take the city)?
Quote from: Habbaku on June 29, 2012, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 03:30:22 PM
Anyway, while Katmai goes back home I could make my play in advance :D
Are you sure that Spain is passing, though? Might want to check with them first.
Are you? :hmm:
.
Quote#31: 5 / Treachery!
Message from England:
Edinburgh
1 / Tilbury Speech [COMBAT]
Message from England:
Gain 2 extra dice in a field battle, naval combat or assault (but not piracy). If England, gain 4 extra dice. Must be declared before either side rolls.
Request: 6-sided die x 10
5
4
6
3
3
6
3
1
1
5
Message from England:
Assault with 4 mercs
6 dice attacker + 4 dice defender
1 English Mercs and all defenders eliminated
FIle coming
Ah, Polish logic.
Katmai's up, then Garbon after him (Del already posted his play).
My rolls tend to suck and odds seemed better, but it might be overkill. Good for you I lost 1 extra card. :sleep:
English passing for the turn.
France is pleased to see that England wasted nearly all of her cards and the turn taking Edinburgh.
Quote from: garbon on June 29, 2012, 04:03:30 PM
France is pleased to see that England wasted nearly all of her cards and the turn taking Edinburgh.
Spain is also quite pleased with that outcome, actually.
Spain also recommends the French use that card that was given to them for its intended purpose...
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:02:56 PM
My rolls tend to suck and odds seemed better, but it might be overkill. Good for you I lost 1 extra card. :sleep:
English passing for the turn.
You may see one card - I see England having spent 9 CP this turn to take a key that can easily be lost in a diplomatic status check. :hmm:
Quote from: garbon on June 29, 2012, 04:04:57 PM
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:02:56 PM
My rolls tend to suck and odds seemed better, but it might be overkill. Good for you I lost 1 extra card. :sleep:
English passing for the turn.
You may see one card - I see England having spent 9 CP this turn to take a key that can easily be lost in a diplomatic status check. :hmm:
:contract:
It's usually worthwhile for the English to make a cheap attempt against Edinburgh. But the moment those mercenaries appeared should've been the clue to head elsewhere.
It's not lost until I ally Scots, then lose next resolve.
You're right Habs. Sure, I learn my lessons the hard way.
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:07:13 PM
It's not lost until I ally Scots, then lose next resolve.
Not quite. Since you're eligible to influence the Scots, you're also eligible to lose them. If the French or the Protestants activate them via
Eloquent Ambassador or
Scottish Lords Rebel, you'll lose Edinburgh.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 29, 2012, 04:04:40 PM
Spain also recommends the French use that card that was given to them for its intended purpose...
I mean - wouldn't that just be cruel?
He must be shown the folly of his arrogance.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 29, 2012, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:07:13 PM
It's not lost until I ally Scots, then lose next resolve.
Not quite. Since you're eligible to influence the Scots, you're also eligible to lose them. If the French or the Protestants activate them via Eloquent Ambassador or Scottish Lords Rebel, you'll lose Edinburgh.
I seriously doubt that, you change their diplomatic status. If Scots don't control Edinburgh, whoever becomes their ally doesn't get it, unless holding it already. Only
Scottish Lords Rebel is arguable, because if you resolve the status, where do you place their troops if they lost Edinburgh?
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 29, 2012, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:07:13 PM
It's not lost until I ally Scots, then lose next resolve.
Not quite. Since you're eligible to influence the Scots, you're also eligible to lose them. If the French or the Protestants activate them via Eloquent Ambassador or Scottish Lords Rebel, you'll lose Edinburgh.
I seriously doubt that, you change their diplomatic status. If Scots don't control Edinburgh, whoever becomes their ally doesn't get it, unless holding it already. Only Scottish Lords Rebel is arguable, because if you resolve the status, where do you place their troops if they lost Edinburgh?
Quote3. Place Square Control Markers: Remove control markers
from any keys of this minor where the control marker is from a
major power that was eligible to activate this minor during this
status check. Keys of this minor power that now have no control
marker on them are then marked with square control markers
from the activating power.
Your troops then get displaced I believe.
Quote from: garbon on June 29, 2012, 04:22:36 PM
Your troops then get displaced I believe.
This is weird imho.
When for example Spain fights HRE and Spain has Papacy as the ally, HRE gets Rome through siege, then you resolve status and Rome goes back to Spain if hold as ally?? Really?
All the more reason for the HRE to attack Milan instead of Rome.
The new FAQ actually deals with this:
QuoteStep 4(Activate):
If the check was triggered by Scottish Lords Rebel, the procedure is always the same:
1. If result is alliance with England or the Protestant and Mary Queen of Scots is alive in Scotland she becomes captured in England.
2. All Scottish spaces come under control of the power who wins the diplomacy roll.
3. All units in Scotland not allied with the controlling power are displaced. Units allied to the controlling power remain in place.
4. Remove all Scottish troops from the map and replace with 2 Scottish regulars in Edinburgh.
If the check was triggered by Eloquent Ambassador or Mary Queen of Scots, the activation is resolved just as it would be for any other minor power. Step 4 can be divided into these cases and summarized as follows:
Power that won status check was already Scotland's ally:
o No changes at all take place.
New power now controls Scotland; all Scottish spaces were controlled by this former ally:
o Deactivate the power from its current ally (if any) and then activate it as an ally of the winning power. All spaces in Scotland will be under control of this power. Units from other powers are displaced if they occupy one of these minor power home spaces that just had a control marker removed.
New power now controls Scotland; some Scottish spaces were controlled by a power other than this former ally:
o Deactivate the power from its current ally (if any) and then activate it as an ally of the winning power. Spaces in Scotland that had been under English, French, or Protestant control will now be under control of the winning power. Spaces in Scotland that had been under control of another power (such as Spain) remain under control of that other power. Units from other powers are displaced if they occupy one of these minor power home spaces that just had a control marker removed.
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:31:19 PMWhen for example Spain fights HRE and Spain has Papacy as the ally, HRE gets Rome through siege, then you resolve status and Rome goes back to Spain if hold as ally?? Really?
No, if Spain wins the check and keeps the Pope, there is no change to Rome's status, HRE keeps it. Scottish Lords Rebel is the exception, the winner takes all spaces regardless of Scotland's former status, if I read the FAQ correctly.
Preached Sermon in Netherlands
QuoteRequest: 6-sided die x 5
3
1
6
5
3
QuoteConvert Brussels with the 6
s-Hertogenbosch with 5 and unrest placed there as well.
Katmai, remember that spaces in unrest don't count for VPs or space count.
Off to Garbon.
Ah yeah, will do.
Quote from: Delirium on June 29, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:31:19 PMWhen for example Spain fights HRE and Spain has Papacy as the ally, HRE gets Rome through siege, then you resolve status and Rome goes back to Spain if hold as ally?? Really?
No, if Spain wins the check and keeps the Pope, there is no change to Rome's status, HRE keeps it. Scottish Lords Rebel is the exception, the winner takes all spaces regardless of Scotland's former status, if I read the FAQ correctly.
FAQ actually confirms that my example is perfectly viable.
QuoteFrance: Play Card as Operations
#72: 4 / War with Poland
Message from France:
3/4 - Patronize Clouet
4/4 - Add 1 dip influence with Venice
Off to Sol.
Oh and I'm off to the Cape, so moves this weekend could be slower and definitely CB-less. :D
Have fun!
Katmai's turn again.
heading to BBQ, so turn won't be in til later this evening/early tomorrow :blush:
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 05:16:00 PMFAQ actually confirms that my example is perfectly viable.
Okay, what am I missing?
QuoteIf the check was triggered by Eloquent Ambassador or Mary Queen of Scots, the activation is resolved just as it would be for any other minor power. Step 4 can be divided into these cases and summarized as follows:
Power that won status check was already Scotland's ally:
o No changes at all take place.
Anyhoo, I'll be away for most of the day. In case Katmai decides to post a move and it does not affect me in any spectacular way, I will use my other home card to build two galleys in Corona (sp?) and two regulars in Buda.
On English control of Edinburgh, Scottish Lords Rebel and other minor power diplo checks, I refer you to this thread on BGG:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/803902/scottish-lords-rebel
QuoteHowever we'll have to be careful to distinguish this from playing Eloquent Ambassador to trigger a diplomatic status check here. In that case the minor power rules are applied without any exceptions, so if England had conquered Edinburgh from Scotland -- and France wins the check again -- then England holds on to Edinburgh since no activation or deactivation procedure is triggered.
reading comprehension failed me :whistle:
Quick heads up, having to make flight/travel arrangements to attend funeral atm, so won't be able to make my turn till later today.
Quote from: katmai on June 30, 2012, 01:26:17 PM
Quick heads up, having to make flight/travel arrangements to attend funeral atm, so won't be able to make my turn till later today.
Eek. Sorry to hear about that. :(
Thanks K.
Quote from: garbon on June 29, 2012, 05:36:12 PM
QuoteFrance: Play Card as Operations
#72: 4 / War with Poland
Message from France:
3/4 - Patronize Clouet
4/4 - Add 1 dip influence with Venice
Off to Sol.
Patronization is random. You need to roll to see which one you're getting.
Right, today I'll be gone for most of the day as well, to actually play a live game of Virgin Queen. It seems unlikely that play will come around to me a second time though.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 30, 2012, 09:20:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 29, 2012, 05:36:12 PM
QuoteFrance: Play Card as Operations
#72: 4 / War with Poland
Message from France:
3/4 - Patronize Clouet
4/4 - Add 1 dip influence with Venice
Off to Sol.
Patronization is random. You need to roll to see which one you're getting.
Oh gotcha. I guess I'll fix when I get home?
Sorry for weekend delay guys And meant Rouen not Calais for 2nd conversion sorry for mistake in ACTS message sent out.
Quote#46: 4 / Spanish Fury [RESPONSE]
Message from Protestants:
Preaching Sermon in France
1-2/4
Patronizing Artist
3-4/4
QuoteRequest: 6-sided die x 5
4
5
2
4
3
Message from Protestants:
QuoteNantes, Rouen are converted. third conversion is wasted as i don't see a eligible spot.
Can't convert Calais as there is a Catholic unit there (the galleon) and no 6 was rolled.
Not sure why you think the third conversion is wasted. You can convert Rouen, Boulogne, Chartes, Grenoble, Poitiers and Nantes...
Because i was unclear from reading rules :blush: third conversion would be Chartes, will fix file and resend.
Think of Protestant conversions as infection (I know I do).
Do you have a host space? Do you have a place to spread (even across a sea zone)? Are there conversion-antibodies (Catholic troops) present? If the first two are true and the third is negative, minor conversions can hit it. If the third is true, you need a major conversion (a 6). It's that simple.
Also, your file didn't include Brueghel's patronization, but that can be fixed.
Del posted his move; it's off to Szmik now.
:lol:
Gotcha.
Also, a plea to everyone.
Did your move affect the number of Protestant spaces? If so, change the number of Protestant spaces in CB and ACTS instead of forcing someone else to recount them for you.
Beets.
I changed it in CB, hadn't finished up in ACTS i swear!
Of course i have wrong amount in CB, ugh i'm going back to bed :lol:
I need more sleep, too. I edited my explanation post three times to get it right. Ugh.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 01, 2012, 01:41:07 PMDel posted his move; it's off to Szmik now.
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:02:56 PMEnglish passing for the turn.
Scratch that, head to Paris instead.
Sent a file with my builds for the past two impulses. Garbon is up.
Quote#24: 5 / Holy League
Message from France:
Disturbed by reports of Ottoman aggression in the Mediterranean, the Pope calls for a holy league.
French gain 4 influence with the Papacy. Dip status check for Papacy and Venice.
Papacy:
Spain - 1 + 1 = 2
France - 3 + 4 = 7
HRE - 2 + 0 = 2
Venice:
Spain - 1 + 0 = 1
France - 3 + 2 = 5
HRE - 3 + 0 = 3
Ottoman - 1 + 3 = 4
A bit overly enthusiastic, France secures both the Papacy and Venice as allies.
France extends impulse with 4 CP treasure.
1-2/4 Suppress Heresy in France
Rouen converts.
3-4/4 - raise 1 regular in Rouen.
Mean frogs.
Might I suggest using your home card for conversions, Kat? The Frogs could use a little unrest in their territory...
:whistle:
Quote from: garbon on June 28, 2012, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: Delirium on June 28, 2012, 11:07:05 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 28, 2012, 08:17:37 AMWhy? My attempts to hold on Scotland are simply as a CP-sink for England (I've currently expended 1 cp!) If he'd taken it, that would fufill my ambitions. :D
The fact that it keeps you within two keys of auto-victory surely has nothing to do with it. :smarty:
Without some sort of merc granting response event, almost a given that England takes Edinburgh in Turn 1. Besides, Scotland will certainly have a dip check either this turn or next.
Also now that I've played it - I also wasn't so keen on keeping Edinburgh as I thought I had a high chance of an auto-win victory this turn. That didn't seem like much fun.
Now instead I'm just over-extended. :blush:
Quote from: katmai on July 01, 2012, 11:05:58 PM
:whistle:
Meanwhile, the Protestants close out a rather lackluster turn with little to their credit...
Who said my turn was over. :huh:
Sol's up, regardless, ladies.
Quote from: katmai on July 01, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
Who said my turn was over. :huh:
That was my commentary on your turn should you use your homecard like Habs suggested. :P
Quote#70: 3 / Tridentine Catechism
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
Take 8 Catholic Conversion attempts that can affect spaces in any two Religious Struggle Areas (even areas that your power can not usually affect with its actions). The first die is automatically a "6"; the rest are rolled randomly.
Denied spreading his offspring in England, Charles II decides to spread his faith instead.
Request: 6-sided die x 7
4
5
6
3
3
5
5
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
First die is a 6, 7 more rolled.
2 major conversions, 4 minor: first convert York with a 6, then London with another 6, then Carlisle/Shrewsbury/Lincoln/Norwich.
Solmyr's file completely ignores a lot that came before it, for some reason.
I'll send out a file implementing his move. Off to Katmai after.
Katmai, Amboise isn't going to give you anything but a couple of regulars and some spaces you don't really need. It's not a key, so why are you playing your home card to get it?
You need spaces...
I agree with Habs. The Protestants are tricky, but you ought to always follow this simple procedure:
1. Convert several keys to Protestant influence, and spaces that will get you adjacent to more keys.
2. As soon as a key is not converted back does not have a large number of regulars or ships in them, you should start a Rebellion there.
You simply have to get keys, especially from France now that they are this huge. You get vp and cards from keys. Concentrate on keys. :)
Some extra advice: ask/pay someone else to help you convert spaces with events so there will be too many to reconvert. Your home card is incredibly powerful with 7 attempts in both France and the Netherlands, use it for that purpose next turn, rather than rebellions, unless you can bag a key.
Quote from: garbon on July 01, 2012, 10:36:39 PMA bit overly enthusiastic, France secures both the Papacy and Venice as allies.
<_<
Despite these shenanigans, the mighty Ottoman Empire will bide its time and pass, at least for this round...
For some reason my cavalry unit is not in Nicopolis where it is supposed to be, I might have done that mistake myself or it got confused in the file jungle out there...
Quote from: Delirium on July 02, 2012, 01:30:02 AM
I agree with Habs. The Protestants are tricky, but you ought to follow this simple procedure:
1. Convert keys to Protestant influence, or spaces that will get you adjacent to keys. Hope they do not get converted back by France or Spain.
What trying to do with the rebelling.
Quote
A good way to set up the above process is to ask someone else to help you convert spaces so there (hopefully) will be too many to reconvert. Your home card is incredibly powerful with 7 attempts in both France and the Netherlands, use it for that purpose next turn.
Well I fully expect szmik to not take the HRE's conversions lying down in England, not to mention what I'll be doing next turn around unless Spain goes hog wild with the conversion attempts in his first go around.
Edited the post for a little more clarity. What I am trying to say is that while the total number of Protestant religious spaces is very important especially in the long run, there is a lot to be gained through asking others to help you convert keys so that you can rebel in them more easily and steal keys from France and Spain and get cards and vp yourself. England runs its own race in that regard. Friendly advice, that is all. :pirate
Anyway, I pass, szmik is done, so it is back to garbon to pass or play his last card.
Quote from: Delirium on July 02, 2012, 01:51:35 AM
Edited the post for a little more clarity. What I am trying to say is that while the total number of Protestant religious spaces is very important especially in the long run, there is a lot to be gained through asking others to help you convert keys so that you can rebel in them more easily and steal keys from France and Spain and get cards and vp yourself. England runs its own race in that regard. Friendly advice, that is all. :pirate
Also a cycle of convert then rebel on next impulse can be useful...especially when conversion attempts from Calvinist Zeal.
I pass.
France is looking mighty powerful and is oppressing the poor Huguenots. Katmai, I wonder if me playing Huguenot Lent would be worth a card draw next turn? I'll even take your suggestions on which spaces to convert.
That sounds like a fair deal to the Sultan, who endorses help to the poor Protestant populations.
Quote from: Delirium on July 02, 2012, 09:42:05 AM
That sounds like a fair deal to the Sultan, who endorses help to the poor Protestant populations.
If they are poor - it is only because they made poor choices. I gave them a turn free from Spanish incursion and they managed to nab 0 keys? :blink:
And convert very, very few spaces...
Both very good reason to aid the Protestants even further, excellent! We seem to be all agreed!
New official errata and faq posted on CSW and GMT sites, from June 28, so updated even further from the June 24 ones. Placed link in first post of this thread.
Unless Solmyr (or anyone who has already passed) makes a play that affects me, I will pass out the turn by the way.
Quote#73: 5 / War in Persia
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
Ottoman player must remove 3 to 8 land units from the map and place them (along with any leaders desired) on this Foreign War card (23.7). Persians start with either 3 or 5 land units (chosen by power playing card). If the higher number, award 1 War Winner to Ottoman when war ends. Add a -1 card marker on Ottoman until war ends.
I'll give Katmai time to reply to my proposal and play this in the meantime. 5 Persians appear, intent on buttfucking the Turks.
Del to assign 3 to 8 units to the war.
Poor Ottomans.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 02, 2012, 06:55:03 AM
France is looking mighty powerful and is oppressing the poor Huguenots. Katmai, I wonder if me playing Huguenot Lent would be worth a card draw next turn? I'll even take your suggestions on which spaces to convert.
seems fair to me. :)
:zzz
Well I don't know if Sol's move counts as something rousing enough for Del. Either way, I'm going to pass until after the Huguenot Lent. <_<
I'm at work and have no access to CB, so I cannot send a file for now. If someone can post the current map of France though, I can play the Lent and pick the conversion spaces. Although there's at least Del and Szmik playing before me, if they want to respond to my event plays.
Are you aware of a thing called time zones?
I will remove three cavalry to fight the Persians, then pass anyway. Someone with enough time on their hands to make sarcastic posts can make a file, I'm having breakfast.
Scratch that, will fight the war vigorously, different play coming.
The Sultan changed his mind in the last minute, dispatching Mehmed with 8 units to crush the insolent Persians underfoot, then spends a 3 cp card to fight. The result was bland, 9 dice vs 5 produced a 2 to 1 victory for us. Although you can normally fight a field battle again as long as you do not lose, there is a sentence in the Foreign War rules that implies that you can only fight once per impulse, so our remaining 2 cp are spent to patronize a scientist of poor repute. File sent.
Over to Solmyr, I suppose? A screenshot will have to be done by someone else.
I'll make a play when someone posts a screenie or when I get home from work. Szmik can still go before me if he wants to do something.
I would like to help but am incompetent in these matters.
Bad timing here I'm afraid, I had 12 hours at the ready yesterday and you managed to post your play right after that. Had there been a play during the day today I would have been able to respond instantly, now it seems it will have to wait until tomorrow.
Tell you what, unless you do something different than Hugenout Lent, I can already say that I will use a 2 cp card to first build a cavalry on the Persian war and then attack. Someone else can roll, and hopefully I will make three hits on nine dice this time. <_<
Huguenot conversions are lackluster. The Emperor is passing for the turn. Del's play is next.
Quote from: Delirium on July 03, 2012, 01:03:43 AM
Are you aware of a thing called time zones?
I think Sol's actually in your time zone, +/- an hour.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 03, 2012, 09:04:12 AM
Huguenot conversions are lackluster. The Emperor is passing for the turn. Del's play is next.
:w00t:
The French people stand mostly united against this vile heresy.
Given what Del said his plan was - France passes out the turn.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 03, 2012, 09:04:12 AM
Huguenot conversions are lackluster. The Emperor is passing for the turn. Del's play is next.
Why not place the unrest in La Rochelle? If you drop it there, you either force Garbon to remove the unrest or cost him a card (since he'd be down a key).
Well, I'm a noob. :P If people agree I can change it to La Rochelle.
Off to Garbon to pass or play, then (and to resolve Del's play, if he wants).
aren't we at winter yet? <_<
Quote from: Solmyr on July 03, 2012, 09:46:17 AM
Well, I'm a noob. :P If people agree I can change it to La Rochelle.
<_<
If that's the case then France will be playing shortly.
Quote from: szmik on July 03, 2012, 10:29:14 AM
aren't we at winter yet? <_<
No you may have mismanaged the fuck out of your turn but there are those of us still playing.
Does Persia get a defender die against Ottoman forces?
Found rules that say no - will resolve shortly and include in my file.
Quote#18: 4 / City State Rebels
Message from France:
1-2/4 Supress Heresy in France
La Rochelle converts back.
3/4 - Remove unrest from La Rochelle
4/4 - 1 merc in Metz
Ottomans destroy Persian forces, 6 Ottoman hits to 2 Persian hits. File shortly.
I think that puts us back to Del.
For now I've removed to 2 Ottoman cavalry.
Del played his last card already to add more forces to the Persian war.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 03, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
Del played his last card already to add more forces to the Persian war.
Oh yeah...then winter, I presume?
Oh and I forgot to remove the -1 card marker for Ottomans.
French winter: Regular in Orleans to Paris.
After the revolt, did Huguenots mean to have their capital in Amboise / add Coligny? If not on the former (Coligny is irrelevant to this), you are passing up a free regular in Winter.
HRE winter: Schwendi+all from Presburg and 1 regular from Prague to Vienna.
2r2m to London
Quote from: Solmyr on July 03, 2012, 11:08:15 AM
HRE winter: Schwendi+all from Presburg and 1 regular from Prague to Vienna.
+1 regular? +2 mercenaries? +4 mercenaries to hiring pool? Please post the answer to this same series of questions with all future winters.
4 mercs to hiring pool.
Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2012, 10:46:29 AM
Quote#18: 4 / City State Rebels
4/4 - 1 merc in Metz
Not legal. Metz isn't home territory for France. I assume that you'll raise that mercenary in Reims and then winter it to Metz, though.
I would do winter stuff and end the turn, but Del is still holding his last card in ACTS. :rolleyes:
Sol, thanks for attempts.
Garbon, I wasn't planning on making it capital, but seems i'd be dumb not to now :lol:
Quote from: Habbaku on July 03, 2012, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2012, 10:46:29 AM
Quote#18: 4 / City State Rebels
4/4 - 1 merc in Metz
Not legal. Metz isn't home territory for France. I assume that you'll raise that mercenary in Reims and then winter it to Metz, though.
Oops, yeah that. :D
Did what I could of winter stuff before I need to run again.
Anna and Philip's marriage results in Philip's murder--Spain loses its +1 card/2 admin rating for the rest of the game.
Don Carlos and Elisabeth de Valois, meanwhile, simply break off their marriage and return to the pool.
Will finish when I return, otherwise Del can finish after he plays his card.
Quote from: katmai on July 03, 2012, 02:44:20 PM
Garbon, I wasn't planning on making it capital, but seems i'd be dumb not to now :lol:
Hmm...well I guessed that was a rule misunderstanding.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 03, 2012, 02:51:20 PM
Anna and Philip's marriage results in Philip's murder--Spain loses its +1 card/2 admin rating for the rest of the game.
:whistle:
Wow Habs, your first turn sucked beyond belief. :pinch:
Quote from: Solmyr on July 03, 2012, 03:01:49 PM
Wow Habs, your first turn sucked beyond belief. :pinch:
Not much I can do about dice.
Fixing winter stuff.
Patronage results are in:
Brueghel is still working, returned to pool.
de Lorne composed 1 vp worth for France.
Bellaso hit upon either a vp for the HRE or a bonus, up to Solmyr.
Ali Reys managed to get exactly a 9, the only result that woulud get him back into the pool.
Quote from: Delirium on July 03, 2012, 04:23:32 PM
de Lorne composed 1 vp worth for France.
Very interesting given that de l'Orme was an architect. :D
Right, file sent. Winter stuff is done including new regulars, but not Spain's move. I'm sure I forgot something, but vp are calculated and we're ready for next turn. I think. Except that Solmyr has to pick a science reward.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 03, 2012, 03:01:49 PM
Wow Habs, your first turn sucked beyond belief. :pinch:
Agreed.
All the more reason for everyone to be antagonistic to one-another and deny VPs where possible.
If you have Storms, stop someone's piracy attempts. If you have Dragut Falls, play it. If you have Northwest Passage, send someone's expedition off. Spain isn't in any position to stop everyone by itself and, with the death of Philip, isn't goiing to try.
Finished up winter, sent a file, ended the turn.
Off to diplomacy. Anyone with Treasure Fleet, please message me.
A reminder : if you drew Selim, give him to Del and draw a replacement.
If Del drew Selim, he needs to draw another card. Otherwise, he has Selim as a 'pseudo' card this turn and anyone drawing it in the future should play it as event and draw a replacement.
I know how to give card to Sol, but not sure "how" in regards to I give one random?
Since this was just an agreement and not compulsory from a card etc....
Quote from: katmai on July 03, 2012, 08:29:17 PM
I know how to give card to Sol, but not sure "how" in regards to I give one random?
Since this was just an agreement and not compulsory from a card etc....
He'll offer to receive a card from you and then you just have to agree when it is your turn in diplomacy declarations (or given his lackluster effort - stiff him :D). Then you'll use the give random card button in ACTS.
Random but any thoughts on why Ed left out Francis II? He certainly existed during the game span and his weak status could have been used in some fashion to keep France from reacting to harshly to the Protestants at the start of turn 1.
The brevity of his reign, no doubt. Same reason Pope Adrian was left out in Here I Stand--not worth the effort of representing a king who ruled for less than a year of game time.
Yeah makes sense though as we've seen if the Protestants don't use Calvinist Zeal for conversions in turn 1, France is all too open for an ahistorically early brutal suppression.
Which is why any smart Protestant players uses Calvinist Zeal for conversions on turn 1. ;)
Quote from: Habbaku on July 03, 2012, 09:32:15 PM
Which is why any smart Protestant players uses Calvinist Zeal for conversions on turn 1. ;)
:D
On further reflection it also makes sense to toss out Francis because of his connection to Mary, Queen of Scots. Several cards wouldn't make as much sense if she was freely reigning as queen consort in France.
I'll pick Observatory as my science bonus.
General analysis: People have been talking about the probability of a French auto-win in turn 1. Given the fact that garbon effectively turned that chance down voluntarily - he could obviously have a, tried to hang on to Edinburgh or b, used City State Rebels to take it back this last impulse, I would say that the risk is fairly high *if* France gets a good hand like that *and* the Protestants are not succesful. Granted, he needed some luck with the Venice dice as well, but still. So French T1 win? Unlikely, yes. Risk high enough to play aggressively against France in future games, yes.
I ask that we extend diplomacy at least until tomorrow, the Sultan has a really busy day at the Harem and will be hard pressed to put his signature on any dispatches.
Well France isn't currently facing future games, so she'd suggest keeping attention on this one.
And yes, Catherine turned down a turn 1 win. That'd be tres gauche, no?
Quote from: garbon on July 04, 2012, 03:40:05 AM
And yes, Catherine turned down a turn 1 win. That'd be tres gauche, no?
Habbaku wouldn't :sleep:
Bellaso should go back to pool btw, since I picked Observatory for his invention.
Btw, does anyone else have this msg? :tinfoil:
QuoteThis message may not have been sent by: habbaku@***.com Learn more Report phishing
Okay, France is doing well, but I don't know why Habs gave them the turn 2 Paris vp already on their power card? 13 vp should be enough for them I believe.
The Mighty Ottoman Empire awaits word from one or two envoys but is then ready to end diplomacy.
Also, I managed to drop a 1 vp artist marker into the Main Deck and it seems impossible to retrieve from there because of the random draw function.
Quote from: Delirium on July 05, 2012, 10:47:03 AM
Also, I managed to drop a 1 vp artist marker into the Main Deck and it seems impossible to retrieve from there because of the random draw function.
Proposed solution : don't do that.
Excellent solution! Now go answer your messages.
I sent out a file with some adjustments.
Now, are we about to finish up diplomacy at some point?
No. :P
:yawn:
Awaiting one more answer and we're good to go. :)
It seems impossible to get anyone interested in relaying anyting to the Sultan except enquiring whether he will stay neutral to their respective power or not. The Sultan therefore feels that diplomatic forays are a waste of his time and furthermore wonders why there is such low interest in any form of co-operation with the Ottoman Empire? Anyway, since we finally got a reply from the one power we thought would be willing to listen to us, it seems we are done with "diplomacy" and have nothing to declare this turn either.
You are scary. :ph34r:
England is done with diplomacy. :rolleyes:
HRE is basically done.
Ottomans up to announce unless they'd prefer sulking.
:yeah:
Spain offers an alliance to the HRE and the reception of a galley on loan from them. Spain also offers to marry Don Carlos to Elisabeth de Valois.
Spain offers France an alliance and the reception of two galleys on loan from them. And also offers to accept 4 mercenaries from the HRE.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 06, 2012, 11:26:21 AM
:yeah:
Spain offers an alliance to the HRE and the reception of a galley on loan from them.
Spain offers France an alliance and the reception of two galleys on loan from them.
I guess you are dropping the other bit? <_<
No, just forgot about it. Edited.
Aaaaand England is up to announce.
Nothing to announce :sleep:
Protestants have nothing to announce and want to ask i send HRE a card after all these announcements yes?
Protestants are always last to announce in the diplomacy phase, Kat, and thus can only confirm, not initiate, offers.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 06, 2012, 04:53:58 PM
Protestants are always last to announce in the diplomacy phase, Kat, and thus can only confirm, not initiate, offers.
I know i was being sarcastic. And don't expect any announcements concering me :P
Quote from: katmai on July 06, 2012, 05:31:12 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on July 06, 2012, 04:53:58 PM
Protestants are always last to announce in the diplomacy phase, Kat, and thus can only confirm, not initiate, offers.
I know i was being sarcastic. And don't expect any announcements concering me :P
The fact that you are giving a card is an announcement. ;)
France accepts the betrothal of Don Carlos and Elisabeth de Valois. France also accepts the offer of an alliance and loans 2 Venetian squadrons to Spain.
France offers the hand of Mary Queen of Scots to Charles II.
HRE accepts an alliance with Spain, loans them a galley, and gives them 4 mercs.
HRE accepts the marriage of Charles II and Mary of Scots.
HRE will accept a card draw from the Protestants.
Okay, only Protestants left to announce, and it seems they will be happy with just the gift of a card. Declarations of war up next, the Sultan has none at this point. Spain?
If the Emperor wants to resolve the Mary - Charles marriage in the meantime he is welcome to do so.
Okay, so anybody who is allowed to be part of diplomacy willing to shed some ligth on these strange proceedings? To the Sultan it looks like Spain has received a lot of gifts for nothing in return in order to fight the Ottoman Empire, while France can win the game at will. What goes on here?
Charles and Mary fail to produce healthy heirs. The Stuarts will never inherit England.
Quote from: Delirium on July 07, 2012, 04:35:04 AM
Okay, so anybody who is allowed to be part of diplomacy willing to shed some ligth on these strange proceedings? To the Sultan it looks like Spain has received a lot of gifts for nothing in return in order to fight the Ottoman Empire, while France can win the game at will. What goes on here?
What key is in my reach?
Besides, I asked that we be friends, civilized but found that Spain and I have a common enemy in the East. :(
Why in the name of all that is holy is this diplomacy phase not over yet? :huh:
No new wars here.
Quote from: garbon on July 07, 2012, 09:09:07 AMWhat key is in my reach?
Besides, I asked that we be friends, civilized but found that Spain and I have a common enemy in the East. :(
Besides Edinburgh which you could take if the right card fell your way. On that note I have to say that it feels slightly weird to continue a game which goes on just because you did not feel like winning turn 1. Trying to convince people to stop you now is odd.
What did you did ask was that we be neutral or you would use Sultan's Harem on me, to which I made the honest reply that I felt my corsairs might be needed to stop you from winning (which, again, feels strange).
What does Habs have in it? :hmm:
So, any more wars? Szmik, you're up to announce.
I think we can safely assume that England isn't going to declare war on Spain or the Protestants. They are already at war with France.
France is not going to declare war on the HRE while leaving a bunch of stuff exposed in their homeland and certainly isn't going to try their luck against England.
The HRE (Solmyr) is the one we're really waiting on.
We are?
I'm waiting for Katmai to announce he's giving me a card, and to give it in ACTS. :P
HRE does not declare any wars.
Ottomans are up to SD, then.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 07, 2012, 06:30:44 PM
We are?
I'm waiting for Katmai to announce he's giving me a card, and to give it in ACTS. :P
HRE does not declare any wars.
The Protestants will give stinky krauts a card.
Will do so in ACTS as soon as back at home.
Quote from: Delirium on July 07, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
Besides Edinburgh which you could take if the right card fell your way. On that note I have to say that it feels slightly weird to continue a game which goes on just because you did not feel like winning turn 1. Trying to convince people to stop you now is odd.
Not true, by the way. If France wins the diplomatic resolution of Scotland at the moment, nothing happens. They would have to lose the resolution to England or the Protestants, then win it later for the key to switch hands. See the latest FAQ.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 07, 2012, 09:22:03 PM
Quote from: Delirium on July 07, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
Besides Edinburgh which you could take if the right card fell your way. On that note I have to say that it feels slightly weird to continue a game which goes on just because you did not feel like winning turn 1. Trying to convince people to stop you now is odd.
Not true, by the way. If France wins the diplomatic resolution of Scotland at the moment, nothing happens. They would have to lose the resolution to England or the Protestants, then win it later for the key to switch hands. See the latest FAQ.
Yeah, I thought that was the case.
So I was right :yeah:
no wars to declare :bowler:
I also doubt Spanish or Ottoman SD is going to affect mine, so 2R to York.
Quote from: Delirium on June 29, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:31:19 PMWhen for example Spain fights HRE and Spain has Papacy as the ally, HRE gets Rome through siege, then you resolve status and Rome goes back to Spain if hold as ally?? Really?
No, if Spain wins the check and keeps the Pope, there is no change to Rome's status, HRE keeps it. Scottish Lords Rebel is the exception, the winner takes all spaces regardless of Scotland's former status, if I read the FAQ correctly.
:rolleyes:
I knew that szmik has me on ignore but now Habbaku as well. This has been thoroughly covered a long time ago. Read the FAQ.
Heading to airport and probably won't be able to do much in way of ACTS till Monday, but will try to respond to the turn if i can.
Ottoman SD is Sokollu, 4 regulars and 1 cavalry to Szegedin. File coming with mine and England's SD.
HRE SD is Schwendi+3r+2m to Szigetvar (leaving 1r in Vienna), unless Habs points out that it's somehow stupid or illegal. :P
Spain has made all other moves for you, so I presume he will have opinions on this one as well. ;)
:P
Actually scratch that, I'll SD Schwendi+all to Presburg instead.
Quote from: Delirium on July 08, 2012, 02:26:58 AM
Quote from: Delirium on June 29, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: szmik on June 29, 2012, 04:31:19 PMWhen for example Spain fights HRE and Spain has Papacy as the ally, HRE gets Rome through siege, then you resolve status and Rome goes back to Spain if hold as ally?? Really?
No, if Spain wins the check and keeps the Pope, there is no change to Rome's status, HRE keeps it. Scottish Lords Rebel is the exception, the winner takes all spaces regardless of Scotland's former status, if I read the FAQ correctly.
:rolleyes:
I knew that szmik has me on ignore but now Habbaku as well. This has been thoroughly covered a long time ago. Read the FAQ.
So what sense does your post that I quoted make? Are you ignoring yourself? :huh:
SD 3 regulars from Milan to Brussels.
Quote from: Delirium on July 07, 2012, 12:21:27 PMBesides Edinburgh which you could take if the right card fell your way.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 08, 2012, 09:45:21 AMSo what sense does your post that I quoted make? Are you ignoring yourself? :huh:
<_<
Sigh. Scottish Lords Rebel would mean that he took back Edinburgh if he won the check thus winning the game. Why is this difficult?
And why are we still not ready to begin playing?
Okay, so basically you ignored my advice to look at the latest FAQ (it's right here http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX/?233@@.1dd437e5/809!enclosure=.1dd7017d for your convenience), in favor of...what? Showing that you're ignoring your own advice to not ignore posts from other people?
SLR would not, in fact, give Edinburgh back to France. Which is what I posted. Which makes your Chicken Littleing over it being weird for this game to continue just because Garbon felt like it rather meaningless since it could not, in fact, end even if Garbon wanted it to by play of SLR or Gifted Ambassador.
We're waiting on Garbon's SD, by the way.
Del can go ahead and play unless he wants to wait on that. I don't think I'll have to wait for his SD, either, though Szmik might.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 08, 2012, 04:35:24 PM
Okay, so basically you ignored my advice to look at the latest FAQ (it's right here http://talk.consimworld.com/WebX/?233@@.1dd437e5/809!enclosure=.1dd7017d for your convenience), in favor of...what? Showing that you're ignoring your own advice to not ignore posts from other people?
SLR would not, in fact, give Edinburgh back to France. Which is what I posted. Which makes your Chicken Littleing over it being weird for this game to continue just because Garbon felt like it rather meaningless since it could not, in fact, end even if Garbon wanted it to by play of SLR or Gifted Ambassador.
No Habs, you're looking at an old version. Here is the new: http://www.gmtgames.com/virginqueen/VirginQueenFAQ.pdf
QuoteOttoman: Play Card as Event
4 / War with Poland
Playable if Holy Roman Empire is not at war with Ottoman. Holy Roman player must remove 3 to 8 land units from the map and place them (along with any leaders desired) on this Foreign War card (23.7). Poles start with either 3 or 5 land units (chosen by power playing card). If the higher number, award 1 War Winner to Holy Roman when war ends. Add a -1 card marker on Holy Roman until war ends.
Poetic justice. Up to the Emperor to appoint his force to fight the gallant Poles.
My point remains the same, though. Garbon could not, in fact, have won on turn 1 because SLR doesn't make an appearance until turn 2. Presumably, if France is holding that, he could win. I suspect that he doesn't have it.
Hopefully Ed finally figures out which way he wants to go with SLR, by the way. He's changed his mind twice, it seems. :glare:
Del, are you selecting the big or small version of War With Poland?
Quote#61: 2 / Menendez de Aviles
Message from Spain:
Regardless of which way the Ottomans go with WWP :
Event, 3rd option. Fortress to Panama. Patrol to Antilles.
OR Spain adds a fortress to any Spanish World Map space and a Patrol to any ocean zone. [FAQ: The fortress placed need not come off those available to build this turn on the Spanish Power Card.]
QuoteExpend a 5 CP treasure to extend impulse :
1-2/5 - Build a fortress in Cuba.
3-4/5 - Build a patrol in Spanish Main.
5/5 - Influence Venice.
Szmik is up regardless of how WWP goes.
No SD from France.
Quote3 / Diplomatic Miscue
Message from England:
1-2 - launch Hawkins with colony to Guinea Coast
3 - naval move: Hawkins to SA, colony to Rio de Janeiro; 2g Berwick -> North Sea; 1g Portsmouth -> English Channel
French may intercept at North Sea :glare:
Regardless of big or small, I will send 2 regulars from the back and 1 merc from Presburg to Poland.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 08, 2012, 04:46:18 PMMy point remains the same, though. Garbon could not, in fact, have won on turn 1 because SLR doesn't make an appearance until turn 2. Presumably, if France is holding that, he could win. I suspect that he doesn't have it.
:lol:
I suppose that is your way of admitting that you were wrong. Does not stop there though. My claim was that garbon COULD have won turn 1 with
City State Rebels which he held until his last play (England had two units in Edinburgh at the time) but admitted that it would have been gauche to try. THEN my claim was that garbon CAN win this turn with
Scottish Lords Rebel . Fact is that SLR is a MANDATORY event so he does not have to sit on it personally. Lastly I do not have to choose the strength of the Poles UNTIL the Emperor has appointed his force to send (Foreign War rules).
I am trying to be as sarcastic as you are when badgering people but probably failing. Is there any chance that this may teach you to be a little more humble anyway?
Rather than continue to bat this one back and forth (I'm sure it would be infinite fun), can we get you to post what strength the Poles are at, now?
Was pondering this but it is more fun to send five Poles anyway.
With the Emperor only sending 3 troops for some inexplicable reason, 5 makes a lot of sense.
Garbon's up.
Inexplicable? You want me to empty my defenses? I can always put more troops on the war later if I need to.
You wouldn't be emptying your defenses. You're not at war with anyone.
In your position, I would've sent the maximum number of troops and a leader there. Why? Because you stand a very good chance of ending the war before the Ottomans can really harm you.
Assuming the Ottomans are going to be using their home card to declare war on you, you still have two attempts to end the war before things get hectic. Assuming you send 8 troops and a leader, you're looking at an average of 3 hits vs. 2 hits on the first resolution. Whatever other CPs you have remaining from the card may be used to build up troops in Pressburg.
On the second impulse, the Ottomans use their home card to DoW you, then send their army in to Pressburg or Szigetvar (most likely Pressburg, since it's a better road to Vienna). On your second impulse, the war is likely to be finished off (average of 2+ hits on your remaining dice). Your army will then be deposited in Vienna, ready to be built up with more mercenaries or even to potentially relieve the siege of Pressburg.
If the Ottomans immediately declare war on you, they have to either send an unprepared army in (leaving Buda bare which is, ah, unlikely because Del != Tamas) or spend an entire impulse building up extra troops (probably via their other home card?). If he takes the Pressburg Pause option...you're given enough time to end the Polish War, build up more troops and turn the would-be Blitz of Vienna into the Long War--meaning a stalemate that the Ottomans would be fools to prosecute.
Instead, you're now left with 3 troops sitting in Poland wondering when the conflict will end and a looming -1 card marker.
Except if the Polish War goes bad (like we've seen foreign wars do), I'll be a sitting duck. Especially as you decided not to Spanish Road into Hungary, apparently.
I don't have CB access right now but I can send Zrinyi and more units to the war, if it's ok with Del.
I would prefer not to say anything in this case, I will leave it to the other players. Changing decisions after the fact is a tricky thing.
You can send more units and leaders to a foreign war later anyway, no? At least I was operating on that assumption.
No, you can only build more units on the card, not get free transfers (not even in Spring Deployment I believe). Go ahead and place as many units as you want to fight the Poles now and then we move on.
France is up to decide on interception of England's naval move(s), then make a play of their own.
Ok, the following will go to the war:
Zrinyi+2 from Szigetvar, 1 each from Augsburg and Frankfurt, 2r+2m from Presburg.
Will update CB along with my upcoming impulse.
Btw Habs, I've drawn Conquest of the Philippines from the Protestants. The speed and effectiveness of Spanish support will determine whether I'll need to play it for CP or consider playing it as an event...
:hug:
I count 8 units and a leader in Poland and your only remaining units on the board are 2 regulars and Schwendi in Pressburg, correct?
The Poles will still be 5 guys, I cannot deny you the chance to earn a victory point since you so graciously gave me that same chance. :sleep:
Quote from: Solmyr on July 09, 2012, 01:43:20 AM
Except if the Polish War goes bad (like we've seen foreign wars do), I'll be a sitting duck. Especially as you decided not to Spanish Road into Hungary, apparently.
Yeah, I couldn't possibly do that on a later impulse. I mean, it
has to be my first, right? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Habbaku on July 09, 2012, 10:25:30 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on July 09, 2012, 01:43:20 AM
Except if the Polish War goes bad (like we've seen foreign wars do), I'll be a sitting duck. Especially as you decided not to Spanish Road into Hungary, apparently.
Yeah, I couldn't possibly do that on a later impulse. I mean, it has to be my first, right? :rolleyes:
Well you have extra incentive to do it now. :P
Del: Correct. You may take our lives, but you will never take our freedom!
Impulse shortly!
France declines to intercept
Quote#50: 4 / Council of Troubles
Message from France:
1-2/4 Suppress Heresy in France
Nantes, Chartres and Orleans convert. Last hit dropped.
3/4 - Villegaignon and free colony to Guinea Coast
4/4 - Villegaignon to South Atlantic and found colony in Rio de la Plata
Polish war drags on while Schwendi fortifies Presburg. Over to sorely oppressed Protestants.
Oh and Del, I will preemptively not give you tribute. :P
Well, you do not have to, technically Spain gets the first opportunity so all you have to do is convince your master i Mordrid to pay. :goodboy:
Our relationship is very one-directional. :(
I honestly hope you and garbon are promised a crapload of goodies at some point for all you did for Habbaku this turn. Alliances, mercs, galleys, even a French woman for hapless Don Carlos. :yeahright:
I'm sure you do hope that Spain bankrupts herself in doing things that mutually benefit those it makes deals with.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 09, 2012, 04:08:37 PM
I'm sure you do hope that Spain bankrupts herself in doing things that mutually benefit those it makes deals with.
France would have enjoyed that. :)
Indeed. Is there anyone who wouldn't want that? I'm trying to figure out why Del is stating the obvious, but it's not coming to me.
Although I suppose Katmai's play could potentially affect me in some small way in that it might hurt our common enemy Spain, in my infinite benevolence I will go ahead and post my move anyway.
Just to get it out of the way I will use my imaginary Selim II card's 2 cp to build a cavalry in Szegedin and a corsair in Corona (sp?).
Unfortunately, Slowmai's move may very well affect mine, so I'll have to wait.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 09, 2012, 04:08:37 PMI'm sure you do hope that Spain bankrupts herself in doing things that mutually benefit those it makes deals with.
:lol:
So that's how you sold it, I was wondering about that. Ask yourselves this then. Habbaku is clearly the best and most experienced player. Is it really a good idea to trust such a player, presuming that he does not indulge in charity?
Who said I gave them nothing? I'm sorry you're diplomatically isolated, but that doesn't mean your wild assumptions are correct.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 09, 2012, 04:27:29 PM
Unfortunately, Slowmai's move may very well affect mine, so I'll have to wait.
I told you jagoffs I wouldn't have access PC till sometime monday.
Just got home so turn will be in asap.
Oh and before i start any damn turn can someone clarify that T2-09 is the correct file :P
I don't know, does 09 implement the HRE's play? If so...
It seems to.
QuoteProtestants play Home card Calvinist Zeal Attempt 7 conversions in both France & Netherlands.
Convert Paris with 6
Chartes and Nantes back to Protty and all three with unrest.
Conversions in
Utrecht, Amsterdam, Alkmaar, Haarlem & Rotterdam. Unrest in Alkmaar
Protestant Spaces: from 13 to 17
K, check email. Unless specified by event only 1 unrest marker per conversion attempt. Also Orleans had been converted by me but Sol seems to have left that out?
Quote from: garbon on July 09, 2012, 07:27:59 PM
K, check email. Unless specified by event only 1 unrest marker per conversion attempt. Also Orleans had been converted by me but Sol seems to have left that out?
Yeah i saw all the emails after fact, and have sent out emails with corrected moves and if all sounds correct i'll send out file.
It works but only because you are using 6 first on Nantes (to spread influence) and then convert Caen after. :)
Quote from: garbon on July 09, 2012, 07:39:24 PM
It works but only because you are using 6 first on Nantes (to spread influence) and then convert Caen after. :)
yar! Need to get me close to some keys :menace:
Off to Habbs.
QuoteSpain: Play Card as Operations
#52: 2 / Foxe's Book of Martyrs
Message from Spain:
For CPs : build a galley in Messina.
Szmik's up.
Quote from: Delirium on July 09, 2012, 04:41:50 PM
So that's how you sold it, I was wondering about that. Ask yourselves this then. Habbaku is clearly the best and most experienced player. Is it really a good idea to trust such a player, presuming that he does not indulge in charity?
Who said anything about trusting Habbaku? :P
Naval move
2g from North Sea to The Channel :showoff:
Garbon is up and may intercept, although I doubt he will.
He can't intercept, actually, because there are already English ships in the Channel.
Quote#62: 3 / Northwest Passage
Message from France:
1-2/3 Suppress Heresy in France
Chartres, Nantes and Amboise convert. Amboise falls into unrest.
3/3 - 1 merc in Paris
Oh can someone decrease the Spanish VP by 1 in CB (from 17 to 16)? I made the adjustment in ACTS.
@Kat - looks like you forgot to change up VP on CB/ACTS according to how many protestant provinces you have.
The Emperor consults Nostradamus. No file, over to Katmai.
That is weird, ACTS has the wrong event text on Nostradamus. The way it is supposed to read is you get to look at four cards (8 if France), keep one of them and shuffle the rest of them back into the deck... Never heard of ACTS having the wrong version of cards before? Anyway, should not be too difficult to fix your impulse.
Card manifest: http://www.rozzwell.com/vqmanifest/
Anyway Katmai, looks like the floor is open for a little rebelling in the Netherlands?
Problem is I need to go to bed so will miss Kat's impulse again and I cannot jump the gun this time... Oh well, good luck. :)
As has been posted on CSW and BGG and other places, the ACTS version is tailored specifically for PBEM play. The "real" version of Nostradamus is very annoying to implement on ACTS.
Quote from: garbon on July 10, 2012, 12:53:02 PM
@Kat - looks like you forgot to change up VP on CB/ACTS according to how many protestant provinces you have.
In all the confusion over Orleans i did, thanks for fixing it.
Will miss the chance to do a play now, will be back in 10-12 hours.
Sorry took so long Del.
If missed something, that is what i get for doing my turn at 3:30am
Quote#69: 3 / Tenth Penny
Message from Protestants:
Rebellion in Antwerp
the one and only hit removes the Wallon infantry and Antwerp is freed from Dastardly Spanish control!
Per control space rules, Ghent & Flushing also both fall under Protestant political control.
Flushing becomes Dutch Capitol and 2 Dutch regulars in Antwerp.
Why did you pick Flushing as your capital? Because of inland waterway rules, Antwerp is safer place now that you also have Flushing. Additionally as a key, Antwerp can't be flopped to Spanish control by events like Council of Troubles.
Because I wasn't paying attention to what qualifies as fortified space at 3am :lol:
Yeah I thought it was something like that. :hug:
That or you just love putting capitals in non-key fortified spaces. :P
Also you took a Spanish key but didn't drop their VP...:D
Quote from: garbon on July 11, 2012, 08:26:08 AM
Also you took a Spanish key but didn't drop their VP...:D
That i did on purpose as wasn't sure if it was commensurate drop of the -3 VP or not
When you put the square control marker back on their powercard, you can see the VP drop. For Spain, I believe it is just 1 vp per key.
Oh and reminder that you can have a leader appear during rebellion if you'd like.
Quote#67: 3 / Spanish Pay Ships Seized
Message from Ottoman:
In recognition of our common enemy the Sultan wishes to extend his best wishes to the Protestant leadership by the joyful news of the apprehension of Spanish pay ships foolishly travelling through the Mediterranean by our pirates.
We have helped ourselves to an extra card, Spain to remove two regulars and then take their impulse.
QuoteSpain: Play Card as Operations
#31: 5 / Treachery!
Message from Spain:
For CPs :
1-4/5 - Raise 2 galleys in Messina.
5/5 - Raise a mercenary in Cartagena.
Off to Szmik.
Quote2 / Elite Troops [COMBAT]
Message from England:
2/2 Piracy in The Channel against froggies
1 squadron lost, 1 hit against French, up to Garbon to decide where to allocate. Not that I don't know the obvious :)
I put eliminated unit to military units tray as I doubt I'm going to build more than 3 squadrons anyway.
Seems to me that you should've used that same 2 CP card to attack both his squadrons in port. You'd be rolling 6 vs. 3 dice each time and, though you'd stand a small chance of losing due to his being the defender, would be more likely to blow up both squadrons--thus freeing the Protestants to spread their virus and you to pirate more successfully later on.
:frusty:
Hey I just noticed that the turn 2 scientists/artists were never moved into the pool. I'll change that in my file.
Actually I think I just fucked up. I think Prophecies is out of game so instead I'll have to use the spring deploy option.
Corrected move (-_-)
Quote#53: 4 / Grand Tour
Message from France:
Unrest removed from all French home spaces
War ended with England
1 regular in Paris, Montmorency 4r2m to Orelans.
Martinuses crushed by Zrinyi. Over to Protestants.
Habs, can you discard the active war in ACTS?
Preached Sermons in France, Nantes and Rennes converted with unrest in Rennes as well.
Off to Delly
Garbon,
have you eliminated your squadron?
QuoteI will use my Ottoman Tribute HC for 5 cp.
1-2/5 build two corsairs in Corona.
3/5 naval move to Aegean Sea.
4-5/5 piracy against France.
Dragut sails with reinforcements to attack the lone Venice port. Characteristically he lands two hits, so he must receive a victory point and a card.
I am at the in-laws and no access to CB, hoping that somebody may be so kind as to implement my move to their file.
Quote from: szmik on July 12, 2012, 01:01:22 AM
Garbon,
have you eliminated your squadron?
He gave you a VP.
Quote#48: 3 / Commissioned from Italy
Message from Spain:
For CPs :
1/3 - Naval move. Cartagena galley to Barbary Coast. Main fleet to Ionian Sea.
2/3 - Naval move. Main fleet to Aegean Sea.
Dragut and friends may evade or fight it out.
Ottos got a pretty damned good card.
Event-good or CP-good?
Both!
Why be coy about what it is? Not saying what was grabbed helps only the Ottomans.
I've always felt a little weird about that. But anyway, Sultan's Harem.
Again, I do not have the cb file in front of me, but in my mind I count 14 Spanish dice against my 13, is that correct?
In any case Dragut will evade to Eastern Mediterranean. Will the Spanish follow him there?
Off to bed now. If Spain pursues and Dragut makes the evasion roll he will evade to that western sea.
Dragut escapes again.
Off to Szmik.
Patronize Dee for 3 CPs
Off to Garbon
QuoteFrance: Play Card as Event
#29: 2 / Muscovy Company
Off to Sol.
QuoteHoly Roman Empire: Play Card as Event
#13: 1 / Reiters [RESPONSE]
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
4 mercs in Pressburg.
Over to Katmai.
Oh also, I'm going to be down in Jersey again this weekend - so I'll have internet access but won't have CB.
And to make sure I have a copy - latest screenshot of the board.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg833.imageshack.us%2Fimg833%2F6524%2Fturn2.jpg&hash=bac0c3880011775f601186e6a091e4c09a1f223e)
England passes for the turn.
General advice: England in particular, but France as well and maybe even the Protestant, need victory points from new world piracy. This is fact. So far, not a single piracy attempt on the world map. I think that is unique.
Oh I'm sorry. I think I might have lost 5cp somewhere.
France doesn't need piracy VPs to win. England does and the Protestants would benefit, of course.
The game will be significantly harder for France if they cannot get a few extra permanent vp from their four available sea captains. There is also the question of treasures which help those countries get cp for other things, including patronage. I cannot see why En/Fr/Pr should not at least try and divert cp to piracy in any game unless paid well not to.
Quote from: szmik on July 13, 2012, 03:08:37 PM
England passes for the turn.
I can't pass, still have HC :blush:
Right, Katmai of Orange is still up.
Solmyr's 4 mercs have not been included in a file I believe, just to remind us of that.
Quote from: szmik on July 14, 2012, 12:23:30 AMI can't pass, still have HC :blush:
Good, now you know what to do with the cp. ;)
Well gonna play
Quote2 / Papal Bull [MANDATORY]
Immediately resolve the diplomatic status of the Papacy. Power now controlling Papacy may either: (1) Excommunicate Elizabeth, adding the "Elizabeth Excommunicated" marker to the Diplomatic Status Display OR (2) Take 7 Catholic Conversion attempts affecting spaces in France or the Netherlands OR (3) Patronize an artist or scientist of your choice from Italy as if 3 CP were spent OR (4) Retrieve Holy League from the discard pile and play it immediately as an event.
which if I understand means Garbon is the one to decide what he does with it.
Actually no, Papacy needs to be resolved again. I'll do that in a sec.
Well you guys figure it out, I'm off to bed as it is 3am here :P
The new Pope is Spanish.
Quote from: Delirium on July 14, 2012, 04:18:34 AM
Solmyr's 4 mercs have not been included in a file I believe, just to remind us of that.
They are there in my file (I have 7 mercs in Pressburg), do they not show for you?
No matter what Habbaku decides to do with the Pope, Katmai has 2 cp to spend afterwards.
Solmyr, I have received no file from you, the last one is #22 and from garbon.
Ok, sending #23 with HRE move and Papal switch to Spain.
Katmai to spend 2 cp.
As noob to ACTS, what is difference between playing event or active event?
Active event is something that stays in play and does not go into discards. Like the foreign wars.
Habs still needs to remove War in Poland, btw.
Katmai, also note that your 2 cp come after Habs does something with the Pope. This may be important if he decides to use it for conversion.
Yeah i'm gonna have to wait and see what he does, and now I reallly am going to bed :P
Quote from: Solmyr on July 14, 2012, 07:00:18 AM
Habs still needs to remove War in Poland, btw.
:rolleyes: You can remove it just as easily as I can.
Spain converts a swathe of spaces in the Netherlands and places unrest in Antwerp.
Katmai's up to spend 2 CPs (may I recommend converting some spaces in France to prevent them from getting an auto-victory, perhaps?).
Quote from: Habbaku on July 14, 2012, 10:36:39 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on July 14, 2012, 07:00:18 AM
Habs still needs to remove War in Poland, btw.
:rolleyes: You can remove it just as easily as I can.
Nope, only the player who played it can remove it.
If Spain is worried about a French auto-win, perhaps they should not have been so zealous in their own efforts? ;) :smarty:
In any case, I agree that converting spaces is a good idea.
After some consideration I believe that if we are worried about a French autowin, it is better to convert spaces in the Netherlands since they cannot be touched by a lucky use of France's home card (d6+2 spaces revert politically or converted in France). Right?
Preached Sermon in France.
Major conversion of Rouen, Minor Conversion and unrest in Chartres.
How are you taking political control of Rouen?
Not possible, the sermon only converts the space to protestantism. Adjusting in my file and play coming up.
Right, played Sultan's Harem as the event.
1/5 Corsair in Algiers
2/5 Everyone to Barbary Coast
Spanish galley fails evasion, is utterly wiped out, 14 vs 2 (assuming no cards)
3-4/5 Piracy in BC leads to one hit so Spain chooses a vp or a card. My final cp will have to wait until that choice
No more making moves after midnight for me :lol:
Quote from: katmai on July 15, 2012, 07:33:13 AM
No more making moves after midnight for me :lol:
But then you'll never make a move!
Quote from: Delirium on July 15, 2012, 06:18:03 AM
3-4/5 Piracy in BC leads to one hit so Spain chooses a vp or a card. My final cp will have to wait until that choice
Take a VP.
K, Dragut will remain in Barbary Coast in that case. Over to Spain.
And with your last CP...?
I cannot spend it, has to be on corsairs, naval moves or piracy. I used the event instead of regular cp to get an extra piracy die.
QuoteHC for CPs :
1-2/5 - Build galley in Messina.
3/5 - Naval move. All boats to Ionian Sea.
4/5 - Naval move. All to Barbary Coast.
Sol, hopefully you realize the danger of the pirates continuing to hang around and won't take my attempting to gain supremacy against me.
Del's evasion failed, so off to him to play any CCs and resolve the battle.
I counted 18 Spanish dice vs 14 Ottoman. The result was 5 hits to 1 in Spain's favour so I lose 2 galleys and a corsair and Spain nothing. Dragut retreat to North African Coast. Will Spain pursue?
If Dragut is pursued and makes his evasion roll, he will move to Ionian Sea.
Dragut fails to evade, which results in another battle. This time, 5 Spanish vs. 2 Ottoman hits were scored--2 Ottoman galleys and 1 corsair sunk vice 1 Venetian galley.
Ottomans need to retreat someplace.
And before I forget, I will extend my impulse with a 3 CP treasure :
1-2/3 - Build a fortress in Canary Islands.
3/3 - Raise a mercenary in Cartagena.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 15, 2012, 01:19:25 PM
Sol, hopefully you realize the danger of the pirates continuing to hang around and won't take my attempting to gain supremacy against me.
Not at all, but hopefully you also won't hold me not opening my borders to Turkish hordes without support against me. ;)
Why would you open your borders to Turkish hordes even with support against you?
Quote from: Habbaku on July 15, 2012, 01:55:15 PM
Why would you open your borders to Turkish hordes even with support against you?
I dunno, there were some suggestions about something like that.
I have no idea what you're saying.
Good, neither have I. :)
Anyway, Szmik is up to play his HC.
the Ottomans can't attack you this turn if that's what you're fretting over.
Dragut retreats with his three remaining corsairs to the Ionian Sea, file sent. Szmik up. Piracy, pretty please?
What's in it for me? :yeahright:
Gambling is bad for health, especially at poor odds :bowler:
Anyway, crown supported Protestant cause in England.
Off to garbon
Wise play, Szmik. Both Garbon and I are way too close to AV to tolerate that many Catholic spaces in England.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 15, 2012, 05:44:00 PM
Wise play, Szmik. Both Garbon and I are way too close to AV to tolerate that many Catholic spaces in England.
1. HRE play made me think he has some VPs in catholic cause... interesting how it'll turn out
2. You need protestant Scotland for auto win, which makes it a bit complicated :glare:
3. Katmai is all alone, and my cards don't help it either. Tough times. -_-
No access to CB but playing home card for wedding festivities/card draw.
Quote#49: 4 / Conquest of the Philippines
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
4/4: Patronize Mercator with 4 CP.
Also no CB access at the moment. Protestants up.
No way I can convince you to play that as event, Sol?
Quote from: Habbaku on July 16, 2012, 01:01:10 AM
No way I can convince you to play that as event, Sol?
You could, but there'd have to be a lot of convincing, since you aren't exactly poor and treasure-starved at the moment.
I'd be happy to throw in a card next turn on top of what I owe you, then a treasure on turn 4 in exchange.
Alright.
:cheers: See how awesome discussion is?
I'm sure I sold it way too cheap. :P
Feel free to update CB with the French move and Philippines.
I'm actually traveling a good portion of this week, but will have my laptop. Will be a bit delayed on CB until I get back.
Playing for CP
Quote#14: 1 / Signal Fires
Message from Protestants:
Using the 1 CP to build merc in Nantes
Play coming up shortly. Kat, I could include your merc in my file if you want.
Quote from: Delirium on July 16, 2012, 01:34:08 AM
Play coming up shortly. Kat, I could include your merc in my file if you want.
after last nights debacle yes please :)
Ottoman home card produces cp.
1/5 naval move to Adriatic
2-3/5 piracy - no hits
4-5/5 sponsor Tariq al-Din the scientist
File coming, Spain is up.
I'll be passing.
Szmik is presumably still passing the turn now that he's played his HC.
Back to Garbon.
Quote#79: 3 / Synod of Emden
Message from France:
1-2/3 Suppress Heresy in France
Nantes converts and falls into unrest.
3/3 - 1 dip influence with Venice
Forgot to update Protestant spaces in CB but updated in ACTS.
Quote from: szmik on July 15, 2012, 05:28:34 PMWhat's in it for me? :yeahright:
If you do not see the point in English piracy, then there is little that can be done except repeating in vain that England needs piracy to win. I am sorry you messed up with France but my advice was different than how you actually played it. And if you, as the rest of the board, are too intimidated by Spain to oppose him there is always Portugal to attack.
For the record, Spain is getting away much much too easy in this game.
Has Portugal come into play yet?
Anyway, yes I don't really know what England was thinking this turn. I'd suggest that France, England, HRE and Protestants communicate next turn about what we can do to curb the Ottomans and Spanish forces.
Okay, if you guys did not see Portugal as a valid target it makes a bit more sense, but they are:
QuoteThe sea captain's power need not be at war with Spain or Portugal to initiate this piracy, and Portugal may be targeted at any time, even before the event Death of King Sebastian has made them a full participant in the game (or even if Portugal has entered the game and become a Spanish ally). The only restriction is that England or France may not pirate Portugal if currently allied with Portugal.
Oh I did misread that as I have always thought they needed the Death of King Sebastian bit first. :)
Anyway, unlike with England, piracy is just one of many sources for the French to gain VP. When the Ottomans decided that France herself should be a target of said piracy efforts, it appeared only logical to support the Spanish.
Quote from: Delirium on July 16, 2012, 08:21:47 AM
Quote from: szmik on July 15, 2012, 05:28:34 PMWhat's in it for me? :yeahright:
If you do not see the point in English piracy, then there is little that can be done except repeating in vain that England needs piracy to win. I am sorry you messed up with France but my advice was different than how you actually played it. And if you, as the rest of the board, are too intimidated by Spain to oppose him there is always Portugal to attack.
For the record, Spain is getting away much much too easy in this game.
I prefer taking better odds than single sucky Hawkins, and I have to get rid of catholics sooner or later. That was as good time as any. Except I may not get better time to do this later.
Woot, I even got 1 piracy VP in the process, so what is it all about?
Not playing into your hands, I get it.
Solmyr is up and cannot pass.
I will presume we all have very good rationalizations for our actions, and "I will/won't do x just to spite you" is just as good as any, I suppose. That is, however, irrelevant to my point which still stands: Spain cannot be cuddled with, not normally and certainly not when played by the best player.
In spite of said "cuddling" Spain is currently down vp-wise and lost its monarch.
here's net change so far.
QuoteOttoman: +6
Spain: -1
England: +4
France: +3
Holy Roman Empire: +1
Protestants: 0
The Emperor patronizes Mercator. Over to whoever wants to continue. I will NOT pass next impulse.
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2012, 04:51:15 PM
In spite of said "cuddling" Spain is currently down vp-wise and lost its monarch.
here's net change so far.
QuoteOttoman: +6
Spain: -1
England: +4
France: +3
Holy Roman Empire: +1
Protestants: 0
Facts will not dissuade Del from trying to get people to gang up on the guy who's lost ground.
Del's up since Katmai's out of cards. I will likely be passing (and will try to do a file later tonight).
Quote from: Habbaku on July 16, 2012, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2012, 04:51:15 PM
In spite of said "cuddling" Spain is currently down vp-wise and lost its monarch.
here's net change so far.
QuoteOttoman: +6
Spain: -1
England: +4
France: +3
Holy Roman Empire: +1
Protestants: 0
Facts will not dissuade Del from trying to get people to gang up on the guy who's lost ground.
Well of course. Easy way to distract from himself as he continues to gain ground each turn. I'd do the same. :D
In his infinite wisdom, the Sultan has found it in his heart to offer to help the Protestant cause along through inspiring Iconoclastic Fury and letting Katmai von Orange make all relevant decisions, this in exchange for a card draw next turn. :perv:
Sounds reasonable to me, but heading to bed now, so not sure if want to resolve now or in like 7-8 hours :P
You resolve whenever you want, good Sir!
Quote from: Habbaku on July 16, 2012, 05:34:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2012, 04:51:15 PM
In spite of said "cuddling" Spain is currently down vp-wise and lost its monarch.
here's net change so far.
QuoteOttoman: +6
Spain: -1
England: +4
France: +3
Holy Roman Empire: +1
Protestants: 0
Facts will not dissuade Del from trying to get people to gang up on the guy who's lost ground.
Wow, you guys caught that clever ploy, I never thought anyone would see through that innovative ruse! :rolleyes:
Iconoclastic Fury played on ACTS and up to Katmai to resolve it. Unless something extraordinary happens after that I will pass out the turn.
And now a major heads up. The Sultan will be off on tour through his provinces and will be unavailable periodically. In more detail I will be online Wednesday evening and Friday evening. From Saturday until the next Saturday I am off the radar completely. This need not be a big change, as I have called in a replacement who would be willing to handle the Ottomans for me during the week away. There would be no actual change for you guys, as he would just get access to my accounts. Is that okay or do you want to take a break?
Might be best to take a break after the end of the turn is resolved. I can handle that tonight if everyone is done and provides winters where appropriate.
That should give us plenty of time for diplomacy, naturally.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 17, 2012, 10:32:45 AM
Might be best to take a break after the end of the turn is resolved. I can handle that tonight if everyone is done and provides winters where appropriate.
That should give us plenty of time for diplomacy, naturally.
Yeah that sounds like a reasonable course of action.
Of course, it also assumes people actually post their winters.
It does, but I would assume people want to see the outcome of that galactic iconoplasm first if Katmai ever gets around to it.
Yes, it does seems like at the very least Spanish and French winters hinge on the iconoclastic fury.
Ottomans, English and HRE certainly don't need to wait...
Ottoman winter is predictable, Sokollu plus everyone to Istanbul, Dragut to Scutari.
Sorry working pre-production on commerical, won't be able to access acts till this evening.
Okay, good luck with it then. Roll four 5's and three 1's and place their keys in unrest for maximum pleasure. Remember to choose either France or Netherlands before rolling though.
Quote from: Delirium on July 17, 2012, 05:32:01 PM
Okay, good luck with it then. Roll four 5's and three 1's and place their keys in unrest for maximum pleasure. Remember to choose either France or Netherlands before rolling though.
No such luck!
Quote
Protestants Die roll request Request: 6-sided die x 7
4
4
4
3
2
6
2
Message from Protestants:
Using the IF card for conversions in Netherlands.
Haarlem, Utrecht, Antwerp and Amsterdam convert.
Assuming we head to winter:
1 Venetian galley to Corfu
Monty 3r2m to Paris - 1 regular left behind in Orleans.
English fleet to Portsmouth, Hawkins back home.
HRE will make another play this turn though.
QuoteHoly Roman Empire: Play Card as Event
#56: 2 / Index of Prohibited Books
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
Cancel the progress of an artist or scientist. Remove their marker from the "Patronized for X CP" box and place it on the Turn Track. [FAQ: Placing the artist or scientist on the Turn Track serves as a reminder that this power may not sponsor another artist or scientist until next turn. The artist or scientist reenters play next turn.]
Cancel Taqi al-Din (or whatever the Ottoman scientist is named).
Taqi al-Din's writings offend Islam and are banned.
I don't have access to CB right now but my winter should be: 1 regular each to my western keys (and leave the merc in Prague), the rest to Vienna. 4 mercs for hire added.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 18, 2012, 12:53:49 AM
1 regular each to my western keys (and leave the merc in Prague), the rest to Vienna
Not possible on the former part. If your troops are in an overstacked, fortified space, they must go to the capital.
All to Vienna then.
Will do end of turn stuff now since I think I have everything I need...
Spanish Winter :
BC galley to Palma.
Main Fleet to Malta.
2 mercenaries in Cartagena to Oran.
Mercator and Dee score big. Both get either 1 VP + a discovery or 2 VPs. Up to Szmik and Sol to decide.
England decides first, yes? I'll wait to see if they take a science bonus.
French get a treasure from their colony--everything else turns up empty. Dealt the treasure to the French hand.
Cards will be dealt shortly and a file sent out. Off to diplomacy.
The Emperor will hear offers for our two princesses as well as our mercenaries.
:rolleyes: Del needs to discard a card, since he apparently feels like making a last-minute play despite posting his winter and despite not posting the play here.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 18, 2012, 12:53:49 AMHRE will make another play this turn though.
:lol:
Okay, gloves are off, I will also make a final play:
QuoteOttoman: Play Card as Event
#23: 3 / German Recruitment Curtailed
Message from Ottoman:
My final play to punish the Emperor. Kill the seven mercs in Szegedvin.
Just to be absolutely certain, game discussions in secret are not allowed during the turn, right?
:moon:
Correct.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 18, 2012, 01:55:48 AM:rolleyes: Del needs to discard a card, since he apparently feels like making a last-minute play despite posting his winter and despite not posting the play here.
:lol: Fuck you!
You have it completely wrong. If a winter is posted it is obviously under the condition that everyone passes, and it is obvious that anyone can play after that. Why are you consistently being an asshole about these things?
It is? Funny, I was under the crazy assumption that Sol canceling your scientist (of which you cannot sponsor another in the same turn) wouldn't induce a counter play that makes no sense to hold back.
Why are you consistently being a whiny bitch about these things?
But, hey, you're right. From now on, if someone posts a winter, I will assume it is null and void if anyone makes a play after they post it.
We will end up posting a winter five or six times, but if that's what you think makes the most sense...
So does this mean I get a non-overstuffed fortress now, and can move regulars to other keys?
Quote from: Solmyr on July 18, 2012, 02:06:18 AM
So does this mean I get a non-overstuffed fortress now, and can move regulars to other keys?
No. You can only ever return troops to the nearest fortified space or the capital.
Okay, no change in my winter then.
Oh, and if anyone has Rudolf II in hand, I am interested in knowing.
Right. I think this is the proper place to drop out of the game. I am happy to help with the transfer of files and ACTS stuff for anyone willing to take up my place. The Ottoman position is interesting.
I'll take the Ottomans, if you still want to quit after further reflection.
On a different note, am I allowed to draw another card? My power card showed I could draw 4 cards and I had a +1 card marker from Muscovy.
If there are no objections, I'll be drawing one shortly then.
Btw, I'm assuming merc in Nantes is now actually in Amboise per Winter rules. :D
Quote from: Delirium on July 18, 2012, 03:13:07 AM
Right. I think this is the proper place to drop out of the game. I am happy to help with the transfer of files and ACTS stuff for anyone willing to take up my place. The Ottoman position is interesting.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: garbon on July 18, 2012, 09:47:19 AM
If there are no objections, I'll be drawing one shortly then.
Look at the marriage roll that was made...
Quote from: Habbaku on July 18, 2012, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 18, 2012, 09:47:19 AM
If there are no objections, I'll be drawing one shortly then.
Look at the marriage roll that was made...
Shit. How do I get rid of what I drew?
You need to discard it if you remember it or just discard a random card via ACTS. Del needs to do likewise for his extra.
Quote from: ulmont on July 18, 2012, 06:30:59 AMI'll take the Ottomans, if you still want to quit after further reflection.
You're welcome to them, and as I said they have a pretty good position. The reason I'm quitting is a, I'll be away for some time now, and b, I can't stand Habbaku's guts. I can send you the cb game file if you give me an email address. What is the best way to proceed about ACTS?
I think you're taking things far more personally than they're meant, Del. Sorry to see you bail because of a disagreement, but hopefully we'll see you around sooner than last time.
Quote from: Delirium on July 18, 2012, 12:50:49 PM
You're welcome to them, and as I said they have a pretty good position. The reason I'm quitting is a, I'll be away for some time now, and b, I can't stand Habbaku's guts. I can send you the cb game file if you give me an email address. What is the best way to proceed about ACTS?
I sent an email to your ACTS address. If I'm right, as explained in the email, you can switch the Ottoman player over to my ACTS info.
Yeah if I click "Edit game/player info" in there it gives me a list of all the ACTS accounts of who to have the Protty player be. I'd guesst that's what you do.
Ulmont is set up as the new Sultan. Long live the Sultan!
Ulmont still needs to discard one card since the Ottomans got dealt an extra one.
Random card discarded. Can someone remind me where we are - I think it's the diplo phase?
Also, can someone explain why the Venetian islands are all flagged French but Venice is listed as a Spanish ally?
That's a mistake. I believe it is still my ally and that I only lost the Papacy as an ally.
Quote from: ulmont on July 18, 2012, 03:19:35 PM
Random card discarded. Can someone remind me where we are - I think it's the diplo phase?
Yep diplo. /Kat "owes" you a card draw for Del playing Iconoclastic fury last turn.
And while we're at it, should the Cyprus VP marker be on Cyprus now?
Quote from: garbon on July 18, 2012, 03:31:20 PM
Quote from: ulmont on July 18, 2012, 03:19:35 PM
Random card discarded. Can someone remind me where we are - I think it's the diplo phase?
Yep diplo. /Kat "owes" you a card draw for Del playing Iconoclastic fury last turn.
Katmai, you really should have waited on that card until the end of the diplo phase, but thanks.
England invents Map Projection :glare:
HRE will take 2 VPs from science.
Ottomans announce:
Nothing.
Quote from: szmik on July 18, 2012, 08:12:11 PM
England invents Map Projection :glare:
Someone's greedy...
Quote from: Habbaku on July 19, 2012, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: szmik on July 18, 2012, 08:12:11 PM
England invents Map Projection :glare:
Someone's greedy...
Someone's going to use Scurvy I predict. :smoke:
HRE is ready.
No response from Szmik, so I suppose there's not one coming.
I'm ready.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 21, 2012, 03:06:39 PM
No response from Szmik, so I suppose there's not one coming.
I'm ready.
The Ottomans have already announced upthread, so go for it.
England is ready too
Spain offers an alliance, a card draw and a treasure to the HRE.
Spain offers an alliance to the French.
England offers marriage between Elizabeth and Henry of Navarre
England offers marriage between Leicester and Anne of Hapsburg
France declines the Spanish offer of an alliance.
France offers marriage between Marguerite de Valoi and Henry of Navarre.
HRE accepts card draw and treasure from Spain, declines alliance.
HRE accepts marriage of Leicester and Anna of Austria.
HRE offers marriage of Henry of Navarre to Elisabeth of Austria.
HRE offers 4 mercenaries to Protestants (not conditional on previous).
Protestants accept the marriage of Henry to Elizabeth and the HRE's generous offer of 4 mercs.
Quote from: katmai on July 21, 2012, 09:09:25 PM
Protestants accept the marriage of Henry to Elizabeth and the HRE's generous offer of 4 mercs.
Now is generally when you tell us where those mercenaries are going.
Well if gonna be a rule whore! Amboise sir.
Off to the Ottomans for declarations of war.
Quote from: katmai on July 21, 2012, 09:15:10 PM
Well if gonna be a rule whore! Amboise sir.
It's sad that no one would give peace a chance.
No Dow. I assume I did accept the prots card.
No new wars here.
Just to make sure that I play treasure correctly in CB: I drag it out of my hand somewhere, release ownership, flip to show it, and drop it into discards, right?
No wars
Quote from: Solmyr on July 22, 2012, 04:52:10 AM
Just to make sure that I play treasure correctly in CB: I drag it out of my hand somewhere, release ownership, flip to show it, and drop it into discards, right?
Correct.
No wars from the French.
The Emperor is a man of peace. :)
Is Kat alive?
Quote from: garbon on July 23, 2012, 10:15:00 PM
Is Kat alive?
Until we open the box we will never know.
I assume that means no DOWs, so people are up for SD and home card choosing.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 24, 2012, 01:10:31 AM
I assume that means no DOWs, so people are up for SD and home card choosing.
Yeah odd answer on his point considering that he was holding things up. ;)
I've never been asked if DoW before, so not sure why you thought I would expect it this time? :P
You've a fair amount of troops this time around. ;)
Unlike you warmongering Catholics, we Protestants are a peace loving people :goodboy:
I believe it was your actions that put us at war / you're the one who declined an almost sure thing at a free card. ;)
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2012, 11:44:21 AM
I believe it was your actions that put us at war / you're the one who declined an almost sure thing at a free card. ;)
Henry likes Gingers :blush:
Ulmont posted his SD.
Spanish SD : Don John to Madrid. Deploy DJ and 3 regulars to Oran.
Fair warning, I'll be traveling from this Thursday until Monday, the 6th of August. Will check in pretty regularly since I'll have coverage on my phone, but files will be delayed to say the least.
English SD - 1 regular to Shrewsbury
Just to be sure, we are putting the HC we WILL play onto the power card, right?
Yes.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 24, 2012, 11:25:53 PM
Just to be sure, we are putting the HC we WILL play onto the power card, right?
oh, I put the other :blush:
Weren't you the last when to send a file? Just resend out the corrected one.
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2012, 07:26:34 AM
Weren't you the last when to send a file? Just resend out the corrected one.
I will when I get home, which will take 3-4 hours.
I think that's okay. Better to have it right than confusion later on. :)
Speaking of which, France needs to SD and pick a home card.
I wonder why people think passive aggressive comments are effective. :hmm:
No SD. Home card selected.
No SD, selected home card, and added my mercs to the Protestants in the file.
Ottomans (barely) failed to build the Suez canal. No file.
QuoteSpain: Play Card as Operations
#77: 2 / Portuguese Attack
Message from Spain:
For CPs :
1/2 - Don John and 6 troops from Oran head to Algiers.
2/2 - Influence Papacy.
Expend a treasure to draw a card.
File coming. Off to Szmik.
I am going to be somewhat scarce this weekend, starting tomorrow, as I'll be at a gaming con most of the time. Will still make moves and send files at least once every 24 hours though.
Quote3 / God's Secret Agents
Message from England:
2/3 Hawkins with colony to NAtlantic
3/3 Drake to Guinea Coast
off to garbon
If I need to get one of the cards that enters on turn 3 on CB - do I turn them all over to search for the one that I need?
They are, unsurprisingly, in the "enters on turn 3" tray. :P
That wasn't my question. :P
Quote#85: 2 / Murad III [MANDATORY]
Message from France:
2 CP on Suppressing Heresy in France.
Rouen, Caen and Chartres convert. Caen in unrest.
Oh and Murad III now rules the Ottoman Empire.
HRE build a merc and draws a card. Over to Katmai.
played
Quote5 / Sea Beggars
Dutch gain political control of any unoccupied port space in the Netherlands. Switch religious influence to Protestant if not already. Add one Dutch galleon and one Dutch regular to the space.
with target being dunkirk.
Ottomans try and fail miserably to assassinate Don John. Spain up for 2 defensive actions.
Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2012, 04:27:09 PM
played
Quote5 / Sea Beggars
Dutch gain political control of any unoccupied port space in the Netherlands. Switch religious influence to Protestant if not already. Add one Dutch galleon and one Dutch regular to the space.
with target being dunkirk.
:huh:
Why didn't you target Brielle so you could get two galleons instead of just 1? Anyway, Spain still has ports connected to the North Sea, so you still have your piracy roll to take.
Pure unadulterated incompetence
Quote from: garbon on July 29, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
Why didn't you target Brielle so you could get two galleons instead of just 1?
It says it on the card. :lol:
Quote from: garbon on July 29, 2012, 05:04:00 PM
It says it on the card. :lol:
Oh i know, anyways I'm back out the door and won't be back till late tonight, off to go fishing.
Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2012, 05:07:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 29, 2012, 05:04:00 PM
It says it on the card. :lol:
Oh i know, anyways I'm back out the door and won't be back till late tonight, off to go fishing.
So does that mean you're passing on the piracy roll? You still get that even though you picked Dunkirk. :unsure:
Quote from: garbon on July 29, 2012, 05:17:45 PM
Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2012, 05:07:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 29, 2012, 05:04:00 PM
It says it on the card. :lol:
Oh i know, anyways I'm back out the door and won't be back till late tonight, off to go fishing.
So does that mean you're passing on the piracy roll? You still get that even though you picked Dunkirk. :unsure:
No i just don't have ACTS login info on my phone :blush:
I would have picked Brielle if my dumbass wasn't just paying attention to the marker color and actually looked at the flag on it :P
Someone else can roll the piracy, it's just 3 rolls and Spain decides rewards for any hits.
I went ahead and rolled it. Dutch pirates get 1 hit, up for Habs to assign reward.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 30, 2012, 01:14:56 AM
I went ahead and rolled it. Dutch pirates get 1 hit, up for Habs to assign reward.
Thanks Sol.
Should be back into action tomorrow at some point.
Sorry about the delay, folks. Back home tomorrow, but have good internet access now.
I'll give Ulmont a -1 card marker and look at his hand.
Katmai gets a VP.
Could someone send the latest file to my gmail? I'll be able to do a move tonight if I get it at a reasonable hour.
I sent a file with the Spanish move, sans the treasure discard.
I counted 17 Protestant spaces after the Spanish conversion, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
English use Witchcraft to Draw a
Card from Spaniard hand
Quote from: Solmyr on August 06, 2012, 10:05:33 AM
I sent a file with the Spanish move, sans the treasure discard.
I counted 17 Protestant spaces after the Spanish conversion, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Sounds right, I'm running around getting ready for state fair so will try to respond asap.
Hey am I up? I think Habbs went now that I look at Sol's post again. :blush:
Yes, you're up.
Quote#58: 4 / Jeanne of Navarre [RESPONSE]
Message from France:
4/4 - Patronize an artist
French patronize Clouet.
HRE patronizes Palladio and draws a card.
Waiting on Snow Mexi.
Will post play tonight. At my fair booth cleaning and taking inventory for next few hours.
Quote#97: 5 / St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre for 5 CP
Message from Protestants:
1-2/5 Preaching Sermons Netherlands
Convert Ghent and Amsterdam
Message from Protestants:
3-4/5 Preaching Sermons in Netherlands
Reducing one 6 to 5 to wipe unrest we convert Utrecht and then if reading rules right the other 6 we convert Brussles.
5/5 Build Merc in Ghent
I believe on the second one you convert 3 spaces as you got 3 hits.
Quote from: Solmyr on August 10, 2012, 12:20:35 AM
I believe on the second one you convert 3 spaces as you got 3 hits.
That is true! So 3rd will be Lille
Fleet comes out, Ottomans build a galley.
Don John captures Algiers and sets sail for Tunis.
Off to Szmik.
Scottish lords look rather rebellious, btw. Just saying.
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 1
2
Message from England:
I don't see Treasure Fleet roll, while Hawkins sits in North Atlantic which is 1 of possible areas fleet may appear.
Therefore a roll for placement. Only 1-2 matters anyway
:hmm:
Didn't see Hawkins hanging out beneath that phantom colony marker, so...off to the Treasure Fleet roll.
Hawkins gets a hit against the Fleet. 1 VP or a treasure, Szmik?
My connection is up and down randomly today :mad:
Hawkins takes VP
Quote1 / Tilbury Speech [COMBAT]
Message from England:
Naval move
Drake to South Atlantic
Hawkins to Atlantic Coast, colony to Roanoke
Quote#75: 2 / The Lost Colony [MANDATORY]
Message from France:
Fittingly targeting Roanoke Island.
Colony disappears. 2 CP spent on planting operative in Holy Roman court.
QuoteHoly Roman Empire: Play Card as Operations
#53: 4 / Grand Tour
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
4 influence with Papacy.
Quote from: garbon on August 12, 2012, 01:23:26 PM
Quote#75: 2 / The Lost Colony [MANDATORY]
Message from France:
Fittingly targeting Roanoke Island.
Colony disappears. 2 CP spent on planting operative in Holy Roman court.
:nelson:
Why are you laughing that your colony got destroyed? :unsure:
:lol:
Yes, it's almost like he didn't know I'd saved that card until he placed a colony (given that the Protestants don't look like they'll ever be colonizing).
Speaking of which, Kat, you're up.
Quote from: garbon on August 12, 2012, 05:50:44 PM
Why are you laughing that your colony got destroyed? :unsure:
Should I whine or throw a tantrum? :)
I didn't know you had the card, but chances were someone would get it. Oh, well
Well that smiley seems to imply you were laughing at me which didn't make sense. :huh:
I was laughing at your play and how it affected mine. :bowler:
:huh:
Nevermind? :huh:
Guys I know what tying to do, but unable to get into acts on my phone.
Using 1cp card to create merc in Ghent was plan. Will be able to finally get on computer tomorrow, sorry for holding up game.
Shit happens.
Side note fucking kindle fire. Have to teach its autotype all these cuss words.
Yeah I'm trying to install commercial kitchen hood in business and it is pain in ass
Ulmont given that we know Kat's intended play, you can probably take your impulse.
Quote from: garbon on August 16, 2012, 09:29:46 AM
Ulmont given that we know Kat's intended play, you can probably take your impulse.
Yeah, getting to that. If only I could remember what the fuck I was doing...
...apparently I was building a galley. File sent.
Sending comically bumbling assassins after Habs.
Quote from: Solmyr on August 16, 2012, 10:02:53 AM
Sending comically bumbling assassins after Habs.
Only can be done once per turn, alas.
QuoteSpain: Message
Spanish Road for CPs :
1/5 - Assault Tunis.
Tunis falls with no losses.
Quote2-3/5 - Preach Sermon in Netherlands.
Convert Brussels and Flushing. Unrest to Flushing.
Quote4-5/5 - Suppress in Netherlands.
Convert Amsterdam, Ghent and Utrecht. Unrest in Ghent.
Burn a 2 CP treasure to buy 2 influence with the Papacy.
Off to Szmik.
Holy Roman Empire: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 3
2
2
2
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
Papacy resolution. Dice in order for Spain (+4), France, HRE (+4)
Spanish candidate narrowly defeats the German one. England still to spend 2 CP, Spain to use the bull.
Spain will sponsor Tintoretto.
Szmik is up.
QuoteEngland: Die roll request
Request: 6-sided die x 4
4
5
5
6
Message from England:
Piracy
Drake against Portuguese in South Atlantic
1 Portuguese defender
2-4 Drake
Drake gets 2 treasures and 1 VP
Drake opts to return home immediately
Playing my homecard - The Black Queen to review Sol's hand.
France draws two cards and then plays 2 CP treasure for 2 influence in Scotland.
No file.
Anything good in the HRE hand? I mean, besides Scottish Lords Rebel?
Katmai's up.
Actually, I'm up. :P
Holy Roman Empire: Play Card as Operations
#96: 3 / Richard Topcliffe
Message from Holy Roman Empire:
Patronize Brahe for 3 CP.
Now Katmai is up.
Quote from: Habbaku on August 18, 2012, 01:29:02 PM
Anything good in the HRE hand? I mean, besides Scottish Lords Rebel?
Btw, have we actually settled how this card works?
Iirc Ed changed his mind at least once about it. :hmm:
Yes, we've settled it now. The current FAQ has the final word on it :
http://www.gmtgames.com/virginqueen/VirginQueenFAQ.pdf
Yo Kat! :P
I know, i know! Been spending all day at fair getting inventory in and getting ready for opening day on Thur.
Anyone want to take over for Katmai?
Yeah I'm sorry guys I won't be on anything besides iPhone with questionable network till next Tuesday. Only able to post this as in town to pick up supplies.
I'll have a turn out tomorrow morning, just got home and going out for dinner and then bed. :P
And the hurricane-esque wind storms knocked power out till this afternoon. Will get that turn in asap
Quote from: katmai on September 05, 2012, 07:39:22 PM
And the hurricane-esque wind storms knocked power out till this afternoon. Will get that turn in asap
:D
:hmm:
Not sure why that flippant comment was needed in ACTS. ;)
He's a lawyer <_<.
I tend to forget I'm up if I don't play over time, so was sending a reminder. I sent more than one that morning actually.
After dusting off the cobwebs made my play :P
Ulmont you are finally up.
Dutch revolt kicks off and a scientist is patronized. Over to Habbaku.
Spain passes after netting the 2 VPs from Dutch Revolt.
Off to Szmik if he's still awake.
sometimes I get up at 4 am :)
QuoteEngland: Play Card as Operations
#30: 3 / Ruler Falls Ill
Message from England:
2/3 Operative to Spain
3/3 1 merc to London
extend with 1 VP treasure
off to garbon
Plays for both this eve. -_-
QuoteFrance: Play Card as Operations
#46: 4 / Spanish Fury [RESPONSE]
Message from France:
4CP to patronize Rosnard
Scottish lords rebel and ally with the Protestants. Mary is captured by Liz.
Over to katmai.
I don't that's correct. France gets +2 influence if 3 Scottish spaces are Catholic. Checking ACTS, I think it stays mine and I get Edinburgh to boot.
Hmm okay, missed that. Someone can correct the CB.
I'll re-do it now and everyone should just disregard your file.
Actually, I'm not sure you get Edinburgh after all. Reading the rules, since Scotland's alliance does not change, it does not go through the deactivate/activate process. The event card also doesn't say anything about Edinburgh being transferred, it only places Scottish regulars there. Anyone know for sure?
Quote from: Solmyr on September 15, 2012, 08:43:54 AM
Actually, I'm not sure you get Edinburgh after all. Reading the rules, since Scotland's alliance does not change, it does not go through the deactivate/activate process. The event card also doesn't say anything about Edinburgh being transferred, it only places Scottish regulars there. Anyone know for sure?
I do. See FAQ (I think posted on previous page of thread when Szmik asked)
http://www.gmtgames.com/virginqueen/VirginQueenFAQ.pdf
QuoteStep 4(Activate):
If the check was triggered by Scottish Lords Rebel, the procedure is always the same:
1. If result is alliance with England or the Protestant and Mary Queen of Scots is alive in Scotland she becomes
captured in England.
2. All Scottish spaces come under control of the power who wins the diplomacy roll.
3. All units in Scotland not allied with the controlling power are displaced. Units allied to the controlling power
remain in place.
4. Remove all Scottish troops from the map and replace with 2 Scottish regulars in Edinburgh.
Corrections: English units go to York, not Berwick, and I only built 1 regular in Augsburg.
:D :blush:
I don't like the FAQ resolution of the matter, regardless of the fact I'm playing English :mad:
Not that I have better idea. :hmm:
It's Katmai's turn.
Aye, will post tonight as working currently.
Quote from: szmik on September 15, 2012, 04:01:11 PM
I don't like the FAQ resolution of the matter, regardless of the fact I'm playing English :mad:
Not that I have better idea. :hmm:
Well I think it makes sense that the Scottish Lords rebelling is the one case that changes up the key status. Better than having the key changes with every check (which is what I'd originally thought happened in this game) as that'd make it pretty much worthless to try and keep Scotland.
I'm at home and of course with third wind storm in Two weeks my Internet is out. Will try to get turn in if internet comes back tonight.
Quote from: katmai on September 18, 2012, 11:31:52 PM
I'm at home and of course with third wind storm in Two weeks my Internet is out. Will try to get turn in if internet comes back tonight.
Alaska sounds like a lovely place to live...
These are some freakishly early storms. Normally get them in winter when no foliage on trees. This last set of storms has been dumping rain causing me to build an ark with all the flooding going on.
So if this is dead, delete the game so it doesn't clog up my ACTS list. And start a new one. :P