I feel sorry for the lad, a more active social life in S.Korea means he's letting the side down quite badly.
So I'll sit in and post this:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 23, 2014, 04:48:59 PM
This could be quite bad, if they don't get on top of it, soon.
QuoteDeadly Ebola virus reaches Guinea capital Conakry - UN
An outbreak of the Ebola virus - which has already killed 59 people in Guinea - has reached the capital Conakry, the UN's children agency has warned.
Unicef said the haemorrhagic fever had spread quickly from southern Guinea, hundreds of kilometres away.
Scores of cases have been recorded since the outbreak began last month. There is no known cure or vaccine.
It is spread by close personal contact with people who are infected and kills between 25% and 90% of victims.
Symptoms include internal and external bleeding, diarrhoea and vomiting.
Sprawling city
"At least 59 out of 80 who contracted Ebola across the West African country have died so far," a Unicef statement quoted by the AFP news agency.
"Over the past few days, the deadly haemorrhagic fever has quickly spread from the communities of Macenta, Gueckedou, and Kissidougou to the capital Conakry."
Conakry is a sprawling port city, where up to two million people currently live.
Rest of item here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26701733 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26701733)
Yikes! The thing about Ebola is that it usually burns itself out because it's too fast and deadly and thus fails to spread too far. If it actually gets established in a major city we could see a disaster on the scale of the epidemics that decimated the New World.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 23, 2014, 04:56:59 PM
Yikes! The thing about Ebola is that it usually burns itself out because it's too fast and deadly and thus fails to spread too far. If it actually gets established in a major city we could see a disaster on the scale of the epidemics that decimated the New World.
Excellent, thanks for the on form reply; sorry about your social life.
Did you notice the effort I went too, to forge the quote. :D
Retitled for accuracy.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 23, 2014, 04:56:59 PM
Yikes! The thing about Ebola is that it usually burns itself out because it's too fast and deadly and thus fails to spread too far.
The rural and remote African villages and communities that have seen Ebola over and over deal with it the same way they have for centuries; when a villager is seen with the early symptoms, they wind up confined to their hut. Food and water is left at the hut entrance for them every day, and if they recover, good for them; but the day after the food and water is no longer touched, it's time to burn down the hut.
That's what keeps Ebola at bay, and has worked for centuries: proactive, communal and localized public health awareness.
Can we burn Tim's hut?
I'd like to drop a JDAM on it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 23, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 23, 2014, 04:56:59 PM
Yikes! The thing about Ebola is that it usually burns itself out because it's too fast and deadly and thus fails to spread too far.
The rural and remote African villages and communities that have seen Ebola over and over deal with it the same way they have for centuries; when a villager is seen with the early symptoms, they wind up confined to their hut. Food and water is left at the hut entrance for them every day, and if they recover, good for them; but the day after the food and water is no longer touched, it's time to burn down the hut.
That's what keeps Ebola at bay, and has worked for centuries: proactive, communal and localized public health awareness.
Much harder to enforce in a crowded slum however. :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 23, 2014, 04:56:59 PM
Yikes! The thing about Ebola is that it usually burns itself out because it's too fast and deadly and thus fails to spread too far. If it actually gets established in a major city we could see a disaster on the scale of the epidemics that decimated the New World.
Meh. Since the initial 1967 outbreak Ebola and Marburg have only killed 3000 people. Ebola doesn't spread quickly because it requires direct contact with the host's fluids to become infected. You don't need Outbreak style spacesuits to prevent spread. Gloves and gown are enough.
It'd be much more contagious if it spread via a fecal-oral route like polio or respiratory droplets like influenza.
How many people in Africa actually eat da poo poo?
Quote from: Fate on March 23, 2014, 11:39:39 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 23, 2014, 04:56:59 PM
Yikes! The thing about Ebola is that it usually burns itself out because it's too fast and deadly and thus fails to spread too far. If it actually gets established in a major city we could see a disaster on the scale of the epidemics that decimated the New World.
Meh. Since the initial 1967 outbreak Ebola and Marburg have only killed 3000 people. Ebola doesn't spread quickly because it requires direct contact with the host's fluids to become infected. You don't need Outbreak style spacesuits to prevent spread. Gloves and gown are enough.
It'd be much more contagious if it spread via a fecal-oral route like polio or respiratory droplets like influenza.
How do you know this strain isn't the one that has mutated to that mode of transmission? We could be doomed good sir! :mad:
Go check for us and let us know, K timmay?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 23, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
That's what keeps Ebola at bay, and has worked for centuries: proactive, communal and localized public health awareness.
And a massive federal bureaucracy overseeing it all.
Why you hate Timmy?
Quote from: derspiess on March 24, 2014, 08:34:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 23, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
That's what keeps Ebola at bay, and has worked for centuries: proactive, communal and localized public health awareness.
And a massive federal bureaucracy overseeing it all.
Or you can make your own innoculations there, Cleutus. Enjoy your home brew thalidomide.
Cleutus :lol:
It's your Hillbilly Borg name.
Some good news:
Quote
Virus in Guinea capital Conakry not Ebola
Tests on the suspected cases of deadly Ebola virus in Guinea's capital Conakry are negative, health officials say.
On Sunday, United Nations officials said that the virus had spread to the capital, a port city of up to two million, from remote forests in the south, where some 61 people have died.
The government has sent out text messages, urging people to stay calm and wash their hands with soap.
Ebola is spread by close contact and kills between 25% and 90% of victims.
There is no known cure or vaccine.
Symptoms include internal and external bleeding, diarrhoea and vomiting.
.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26717490 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26717490)
Well, not really. I mean the symptoms are pretty distinctive aren't they? If it's not Ebola it could be an unknown hemorrhagic fever.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 24, 2014, 08:45:43 PM
If it's not Ebola it could be an unknown hemorrhagic fever.
Edbola. Uncontrollable shitting from the ass.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 24, 2014, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 24, 2014, 08:45:43 PM
If it's not Ebola it could be an unknown hemorrhagic fever.
Edbola. Uncontrollable shitting from the ass.
I had that today.
Is Madagascar next?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26726745
QuoteCanadian man in hospital with Ebola-like virus
A man is in hospital in Canada with symptoms of a haemorrhagic fever resembling the Ebola virus, a health official has said.
The man had recently returned from Liberia in the west African region, currently suffering a deadly outbreak of an unidentified haemorrhagic fever.
He is in isolation in critical condition in Saskatoon, the largest city in Saskatchewan province.
A provincial medical official said there was no risk to the public.
Dr Denise Werker, the province's deputy chief medical officer, declined to say how long the man had been in Africa but said he only fell ill after returning to Canada.
She said that was in line with the profile of common deadly haemorrhagic fever viruses Lassa fever and Ebola, which have an incubation period of up to 21 days.
She said the people most at risk were healthcare workers who do not protect themselves from contact with the patient's bodily secretions.
"There is no risk to the general public," she said. "We recognise that there is going to be a fair amount of concern and that is why we wanted to go public with this as soon as possible."
A virus resembling Ebola has struck in Guinea, with cases also reported in Liberia.
As many as 61 people have died of the disease in the remote forests of southern Guinea.
But health officials in the Guinean capital, Conakry, have said the virus is not Ebola.
In Saskatchewan, Dr Werker said the man's diagnosis had not yet been confirmed and that a laboratory in Winnipeg was testing a biological specimen from the man.
There is no drug treatment for Ebola, although Lassa can be treated with the drug Ribavirin.
Quote from: Zanza on March 25, 2014, 01:51:55 AM
Is Madagascar next?
Madagascar closed its port today ... game over. :P
Quote from: Malthus on March 25, 2014, 07:56:18 AM
Quote from: Zanza on March 25, 2014, 01:51:55 AM
Is Madagascar next?
Madagascar closed its port today ... game over. :P
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It's really funny because Madagascar really does shut down everything everyday.
DOOM!
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ebola-outbreak-tip-iceberg-experts-say-n137081
Quote
Ebola Outbreak 'Tip of the Iceberg,' Experts Say
By Maggie Fox
An "out of control" outbreak of Ebola in West Africa that's being called the deadliest ever is far from over and it's likely to get worse before it gets better, experts predict.
And health workers who have been fighting the outbreak, which spans three countries and has killed more than 300 people, say they are certain many cases are going unreported as they see gruesome infections, dangerous myths and people fleeing the virus, potentially spreading it further.
"This is the tip of the iceberg," said Robert Garry, a microbiology professor at the Tulane University School of Medicine who's been leading relief and investigation efforts in Sierra Leone for the Viral Hemorraghic Fever Consortium.
Dr. Mwayabo Kazadi, from the health unit for Catholic Relief Services, agreed that many cases could go uncounted and undiagnosed in the region, where Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia come together.
"When you don't have a proper health system in place, it is pretty difficult," Kazadi said.
Garry says team members arrived in at least one village to find it deserted, and the body of an Ebola victim left unattended in a house. It's not hard to imagine what happened, but it makes it impossible to track down people who might have been infected and get them to hospitals for what care can be provided, and to prevent them from infecting others.
A Doctors Without Borders official said Friday that the outbreak was out of control.
And the numbers make it clear this is the biggest outbreak yet of Ebola since the virus was first identified in 1976. The virus, which causes a particularly nasty form of hemorrhagic fever, has killed 337 people out of 528 infected.
"This is the biggest outbreak we have ever actually seen of Ebola," Kazadi said. "It's the biggest both in numbers and in terms of geography," Garry agreed.
The biggest outbreak affected 425 people in Uganda in 2000, killing 224 of them.
Ebola is spread in bodily fluids, and the worst stages of the disease make that frighteningly easy. "People are throwing up. They have diarrhea," Garry said. Patients can develop tiny blood hemorrhages on their skin and in their eyes.
At least a dozen women were infected by a healer, probably as they washed and kissed her body when she died of Ebola and they were preparing her for her funeral. The case illustrates just why this outbreak is so difficult to fight.
The healer, who used snakes as part of her practice, made some frightening and dire predictions from her death bed. "She said she was going to release the snakes and said anybody who saw the snakes would die the way she did," Garry said.
This frightened some of the people in her village, and they attacked some volunteers from Garry's team, throwing rocks at their vehicle.
Garry's back in the U.S. for a few days trying to scrape up funding to buy protective gear for health care workers. The WHO and other groups are also providing such gear, but it's getting spread thin.
If workers start re-using gloves, gowns or goggles, they could end up spreading the virus. There's no cure and no vaccine, and the outbreak is killing 60 percent of its victims.
Volunteers are trying to get the word out about how the virus is spread, but it's tricky getting the message right.
"People have been resisting the idea that it was just not some type of curse or spirit. Or that it's people trying to keep them from eating bush meat," Garry said.
One suspicion was that people initially got Ebola by eating bush meat — apes, monkeys, bats, and rodents slaughtered for food. That's how experts now believe the AIDS virus first started circulating among people and it's possible Ebola originated there, too.
But now it's spread mostly person-to-person, Garry said. "The only thing that people hear is 'Don't eat bushmeat.' It just gets people riled up. It's not a useful message."
The porous borders in the area make things difficult, also. People, many of them in the same ethnic groups, pass freely from one country to another.
Genetic testing makes it clear this particular Ebola outbreak is being caused by a local strain that arose in West Africa. Ebola had only been seen in central Africa before, but the discovery suggests that the virus had been circulating undetected before. Hemorrhagic fevers are common in Africa — Garry's team was originally in Sierra Leone to study and fight another virus, one that causes Lassa fever.
"We're probably finding (Ebola) now because we are looking for it," he said.
Bats are another suspected source. Bats carry hundreds of viruses and carry antibodies to Ebola, which suggests they can be infected. Bat meat could be one source, but so could bat spit.
"It's mango season. The bats are eating the mangoes and the people are eating the mangoes," Garry said.
It's not an unusual idea. Researchers tracking Middle East Respiratory Syndrome virus or MERS are also checking the theory that fruit-eating bats may spread that virus in their saliva.
Somewhere 10.000 meters above the earth is a jackass on his way to a major US airport. And he's coughing.
Thanks Obama
QuoteIt is spread by close personal contact with people who are infected and kills between 25% and 90% of victims.
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It kills between 25 and 90%?
Does that make any sense at all? How can you have a range of a percentage?
Quote from: Berkut on June 23, 2014, 09:06:26 AM
QuoteIt is spread by close personal contact with people who are infected and kills between 25% and 90% of victims.
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It kills between 25 and 90%?
Does that make any sense at all? How can you have a range of a percentage?
Maybe sloppy fact checking/reporting? From WHO looks like they say up to 90% of people die. Then if you look at bottom table with listed outbreaks causing fatalities (/outbreaks involving more than one person), lowest is 25%.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/
I would be dreadfully ironic if this thing ends up having 'legs', given my sarcastic thread title and needling of Timmay. :blush:
Quote from: Berkut on June 23, 2014, 09:06:26 AM
QuoteIt is spread by close personal contact with people who are infected and kills between 25% and 90% of victims.
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It kills between 25 and 90%?
Does that make any sense at all? How can you have a range of a percentage?
That's just poor reportage. The research community pretty much considers a mortality rate of 50%+ as Mucho Muerto Supremo, and doesn't really mince numbers to 100% after that.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 23, 2014, 09:21:06 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 23, 2014, 09:06:26 AM
QuoteIt is spread by close personal contact with people who are infected and kills between 25% and 90% of victims.
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It kills between 25 and 90%?
Does that make any sense at all? How can you have a range of a percentage?
That's just poor reportage. The research community pretty much considers a mortality rate of 50%+ as Mucho Muerto Supremo, and doesn't really mince numbers to 100% after that.
WHO has a pretty detailed list of mortality rate by outbreak.
I always preferred the Stones.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 23, 2014, 10:19:45 AM
I always preferred the Stones.
Those are what you put on the graves afterwards.
Ooh, mortuary burn from Malthus!
Death toll is up to 350 :(
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/23/health/ebola-virus-outbreak-west-africa/
Here's a map of the outbreaks
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/06/24/ebola-outbreak-guinea-liberia-outbreak/
Spanish newspapers allegedly claim that there is a guy in a Valencia hospital suspected with an Ebola infection.
Indeed
http://www.thespainreport.com/9248/ebola-valencia/
QuoteSpanish Health Authorities Activate Health Alert Over Possible West African Ebola Case In Valencia
By Matthew Bennett | on Google+ | June 25th, 2014
Ebola in Spain News Spanish Healthcare & Medicine
NEWS: A man from Guinea Conakry is in isolation in the La Fe hostpital in Valencia, eastern Spain, with a suspected case of Ebola. There are contradictory stories about how it was discovered.
Regional health authorities in Valencia activated their infectious disease protocols on Monday night after the man, who is "resident in Europe" according to a Spanish Health Ministry spokeswoman, was admitted to hospital with Ebola-like symptoms.
Data from the Center for Disease Control in the United States shows this spring's Ebola outbreak in West Africa to have so far infected 599 people, 362 of whom have died, a 60% fatality rate.
On Monday June 23, a Civil Guard agent at passport control at Valencia airport noticed the man did not look well and called the airport's first aid team, who then warned the Health Ministry's Foreign Healthcare section, a spokeswoman for Spanish airport authorities AENA in Valencia told The Spain Report.
In contradiction to the version offered by airport authorities, the Spanish Health Ministry in Madrid and regional health authorities in Valencia insist the man's symptoms were noticed on board the airplane by the crew and that he was first isolated on board the aircraft.
The Health Ministry spokesman first told The Spain Report that the patient had arrived not on a flight from Morocco but on a boat, later confirming that the man had: "a high fever, dizziness, shakes and a cough".
36 hours after the man was admitted to hospital, Spanish health officials are still waiting for the results of the tests.
Doctors Without Borders in Spain told The Spain Report that the Ebola test the organisation uses in field conditions in Guinea normally takes six hours to process, or up to 24 hours if there are transport problems from remote locations.
Spanish health authorities in Madrid and Valencia denied the tests in Spain were taking longer than necessary, and that Spanish doctors were following their own protocols. "We are not hiding anything", said a spokeswoman for La Fe Hospital, "but I don't know why it is taking so long".
Valencian regional health minister, Manuel Llobart said today that: "We really hope that the results of the test are negative, but if it is positive, the protection of the population is guaranteed", according to Spanish news agency EFE.
EFE also reports Mr. Llobart as saying the man was bleeding from his nose.
The ministry would not confirm the flight number, airline, time of arrival, number of flight crew or the total number of passengers on board, but the Valencia airport webpage shows just one company, Royal Air Maroc, operating a flight between Casablanca and Valencia.
Regional health authorities in Valencia issued a statement yesterday saying the man's symptoms: "could correspond to said disease, which has NOT yet been confirmed or denied. We are waiting for the test results", and asking for: "prudence and to not cause social alarm over the suspicion of a possible disease".
The patient is currently in a "clinically stable" condition "in isolation".
A spokeswoman for the World Health Organisation told The Spain Report that the WHO was in touch with the Spanish authorities and that they were following updates in the Spanish press, but that they do not have any further information at this point.
There are five species of the Ebola virus and the World Health Organisation says case outbreaks have a fatality rate of up to 90%. The virus spreads through human-to-human transmission and physical contact with infected surfaces or mucous substances.
Maybe he's just faking it, like the rest of the Spaniards during World Cup season.
Now that Ebola has hit the west we'll have a cure within the year. It's cool.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 25, 2014, 08:19:52 AM
Maybe he's just faking it, like the rest of the Spaniards during World Cup season.
Fernando Torres has a case of the sads.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 23, 2014, 10:30:48 AM
Ooh, mortuary burn from Malthus!
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Quote from: Malthus on June 25, 2014, 10:47:30 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 23, 2014, 10:30:48 AM
Ooh, mortuary burn from Malthus!
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That blackberry one is so dated.
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600 cases, 390 dead :(
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/26/health/ebola-outbreak-west-africa/
There have been 635 cases, 399 of which have resulted in deaths. :(
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/african-ebola-epidemic-threatens-spread/
Might want to change that title Mongers, 20% increase in cases and another 68 dead this week! :o
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28114159
QuoteCrisis meeting as Ebola death toll rises in West Africa
Healthcare workers from Medecins Sans Frontieres in Gueckedou, Guinea - 28 March 2014 The WHO has sent dozens of experts to West Africa in recent months to try and contain the outbreak
The World Health Organization (WHO) is hosting an emergency meeting in Ghana on Wednesday on the deadly Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Health officials from 11 countries are meeting in Accra to discuss how to put an end to the crisis.
More than 400 people have died in what has now become the worst Ebola outbreak in history.
Most of the deaths have been in Guinea but there are an increasing number of cases in Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Health ministers from the three affected countries will join officials from neighbouring Ivory Coast, Mali, Guinea Bissau and Senegal, as well as Uganda, DRC, Gambia and hosts Ghana.
Tulip Mazumdar, the BBC's global health correspondent, says all of these countries are considered at risk from Ebola, which is one of the deadliest viruses on the planet.
On Tuesday, the WHO said the death toll in West Africa had risen to 467, with 68 of the deaths recorded since 23 June.
The number of cases had risen from 635 on 23 June to 759, a 20% increase, the WHO added.
Experts on the ground say one of the key reasons for the continuing spread is the fear and denial around the illness.
Some communities are said to be hiding loved ones who get sick, instead of taking them to hospital, increasing the risk of the virus spreading.
The WHO has already sent more than 150 experts into West Africa over the last few months to try and contain the outbreak.
But it says political commitment is needed from the region itself to ensure this virus is wiped out soon.
"Containment of this outbreak requires a strong response in the countries and especially along their shared border areas," it said in a statement.
Most of the deaths have been centred in the southern Guekedou region of Guinea, where the outbreak was first reported in February.
But health officials say the regions porous borders have allowed infected people to carry the disease into other countries.
Symptoms include high fever, bleeding and central nervous system damage
Fatality rate can reach 90%
Incubation period is two to 21 days
There is no vaccine or cure
Supportive care such as rehydrating patients who have diarrhoea and vomiting can help recovery
Fruit bats are considered to be the natural host of the virus
Ebola can only be transmitted via bodily fluid exposure. So tell 'em to stop fucking for a while. Problem: solved.
Damn, this is going to get so much worse. If even only 5% of those are carrying the disease then there are going to be dozens of new outbreak sites.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/guinea/10942598/Ebola-out-of-control-in-West-Africa-as-health-workers-rush-to-trace-1500-possible-victims.html
QuoteHundreds of West Africans could be carrying the deadly Ebola virus and not know it, potentially infecting hundreds more, as cash-strapped governments and overwhelmed aid agencies struggle to contain the virus's spread.
At least 1,500 people have not yet been traced who are known to have come into contact with others confirmed or suspected to be infected with the haemorrhagic fever, Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) told The Telegraph.
Many more could be moving freely in the three countries battling the virus, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, but fear of the illness and mistrust of Western medicine means they refuse to come forward to speak to doctors.
844 cases, 518 dead
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/ebola-50-new-cases-25-deaths-sierra-leone-liberia-guinea
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 09, 2014, 01:39:52 AM
844 cases, 518 dead
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/ebola-50-new-cases-25-deaths-sierra-leone-liberia-guinea
Ebola must be one of the worst fucking ways to die, but 844 people does not sound like some massive epidemic.
How many people died of malnutrition in the same area during this time frame. Relax Tim Little.
Hey Tim, check this out.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-box-of-forgotten-smallpox-vials-was-just-found-in-an-fda-closet
QuoteThe last remaining strains of smallpox are kept in highly protected government laboratories in Russia and at the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta. And, apparently, in a dusty cardboard box in an old storage room in Maryland.
The CDC said today that government workers had found six freeze-dried vials of the Variola virus, which causes smallpox, in a storage room at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland last week. Each test tube had a label on it that said "variola," which was a tip-off, but the agency did genetic testing to confirm that the viruses were, in fact, smallpox.
It's unclear whether or not the strains are still virulent, the agency told me, but they were kept in a cold room, where the virus should have been able to survive.
According to the agency, the virus was freeze dried and sealed in melted glass and the samples have been in storage since the 1950s. The Food and Drug Administration had been using the building where the samples were found since 1972, six years before smallpox killed its last person.
"The vials appear to date from the 1950s. Upon discovery, the vials were immediately secured in a CDC registered select agent containment laboratory in Bethesda," Benjamin Haynes, a CDC spokesperson, told me. "There is no evidence that any of the vials labeled Variola have been breached, and onsite biosafety personnel have not identified any infectious exposure risk to lab workers or the general public."
So, that's good news. Haynes said that the CDC did emergency genetic testing of the strains to confirm that they were smallpox. It's currently doing further tests to determine whether the strains are still virulent, which could take up to two weeks.
"After completion of this testing, the samples will be destroyed," he said. He said the FBI is currently helping the CDC investigate how the original samples were prepared and why they were stored in the building.
The CDC notified the World Health Organization and said that WHO witnesses will be invited to watch the destruction of the virus.
"The laboratory was among those transferred from NIH to the FDA in 1972, along with the responsibility for regulating biologic products," Haynes said. "The FDA has operated laboratories located on the NIH campus since that time. Scientists discovered the vials while preparing for the laboratory's move to the FDA's main campus."
If you're not sure why this is such a big deal, it's because smallpox killed some 300 million people in the 20th century alone, and is the only human infectious disease that has ever been eradicated—a process that took the greater part of the 19th and 20th centuries. WHO declared smallpox eradicated back in 1979, but two strains of the virus are kept for further testing in extremely secure labs in Atlanta and in Russia.
Those strains were supposed to be destroyed multiple times—first in 1993 and then in 1999. But researchers in both Russia and the United States wanted to hold onto the virus to continue researching it. Kathleen Sebelius, secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services, said that keeping the virus was important because there could be unknown stocks of the virus out there somewhere. Little did she know, some of those stocks happened to be in a government building:
"Although keeping the samples may carry a minuscule risk, both the United States and Russia believe the dangers of destroying them now are far greater," she wrote in a New York Times op-ed in 2011. "It is quite possible that undisclosed or forgotten stocks exist.
"Also, 30 years after the disease was eradicated, the virus' genomic information is available online and the technology now exists for someone with the right tools and the wrong intentions to create a new smallpox virus in a laboratory," seh continued. "Destroying the virus now is merely a symbolic act that would slow our progress and could even stop it completely, leaving the world vulnerable."
WHO, meanwhile, has said there's little point in doing further research on smallpox. Haynes told me that CDC researchers regularly and actively work with the virus in Atlanta.
Ooops. Forgot about those samples. Our bad! :D
Knowing the federal government and its inventory systems, the box was probably mislabeled "small box."
I saw that, pretty disturbing, but nobody seems to have been exposed.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 09, 2014, 09:51:43 AM
Knowing the federal government and its inventory systems, the box was probably mislabeled "small box."
"We have top men working on it. Top. Men."
It just keeps rolling downhill. :(
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/world/africa/death-toll-from-ebola-surges-in-west-africa-prompting-alarm.html?_r=1
QuoteDeath Toll From Ebola Surges in West Africa, Prompting Alarm
By RICK GLADSTONEJULY 15, 2014
New cases and deaths from the Ebola virus outbreak in the West African countries of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, already the worst ever recorded for the disease, have surged by double-digit percentages in the past week, the World Health Organization reported Tuesday, with no sign of a slowdown. Alarmed Ivory Coast border authorities blocked hundreds of Ivorian refugees in Liberia from returning, news agencies reported.
In its latest update, the W.H.O. said the number of suspect, probable and confirmed cases as of Saturday totaled 964, up about 14 percent from a week earlier. Deaths totaled 603, up about 16 percent from a week earlier. Half the deaths have been in Guinea.
"This trend indicates that a high level of transmission of the Ebola virus continues to take place in the community," the W.H.O. said in the update. "The respective ministries of health are working with W.H.O. and partners to step up outbreak containment measures."
The latest figures were reported as the W.H.O. helped complete a coordination center in Conakry, Guinea's capital, in an attempt to slow the spread of Ebola, a hemorrhagic fever with no known cure and a death rate that can reach 90 percent. The virus first appeared in 1976 near the Ebola River in the Democratic Republic of Congo and is believed to have been spread originally by fruit bats. Gorillas, chimpanzees, forest antelopes and porcupines can also spread the virus.
Despite the latest outbreak, the W.H.O. said it was not recommending any travel or trade restrictions in the three affected countries. Nonetheless, news agencies reported Tuesday that Ivory Coast had prevented 400 refugees who had fled to neighboring Liberia during the violent 2010-11 Ivorian political upheaval from re-entering the country. Agence France-Presse said Bruno Kone, an Ivorian government spokesman, had justified the move, quoting him as saying, "We cannot be lax in this area."
Looks like it's on its way to being established in two more big cities.
Case number has passed one thousand. :(
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28485041
QuoteSierra Leone hunts Ebola patient kidnapped in Freetown
A hunt has been launched in Sierra Leone's capital, Freetown, for a woman with Ebola who was forcibly removed from hospital by her relatives.
Radio stations around the country are appealing for help to find the 32-year-old who is being described as a "risk to all".
She is the first Freetown resident to have tested positive for the virus.
Meanwhile, Nigeria's health minister has confirmed that a Liberian man has died of Ebola in Lagos.
According to the Reuters news agency, he collapsed on arrival in Lagos on Sunday and was taken from the airport and put in quarantine at a hospital in the Nigerian city.
Since February, more than 660 people have died of Ebola in West Africa - the world's deadliest outbreak to date.
It began in southern Guinea and spread to Liberia and Sierra Leone. The case in Nigeria is the first in Africa's most populous country.
Angry protesters
The virus kills up to 90% of those infected but if patients receive early treatment, they have a better chance of survival.
It spreads through contact with an infected person's bodily fluids.
Sidi Yahya Tunis, a spokesperson for Sierra Leone's ministry of health, said the King Harman Road Hospital was stormed by the Ebola patient's family on Thursday.
The BBC's Umaru Fofona in Freetown said the woman, who is an apprentice hairdresser, is a resident of the densely populated area of Wellington in the east of the city.
The Ebola cases in Sierra Leone are centred in the country's eastern districts of Kenema and Kailahun, just over the border from the Guekedou region of Guinea where the outbreak started.
Our reporter says there is increasing anger and confusion over the handling of the outbreak.
Police say thousands of people have taken to the streets of Kenema to protest - thronging to the town's hospital, which treats all Ebola cases in the district.
The father of a nine-year-old boy has told the BBC that his son was shot and injured by police as they tried to put down the angry demonstration, in which he says his son was not involved.
Our reporter says the police have not been able to confirm this as they say they are still busy with operational matters.
Nurses at Kenema hospital went on strike for a day on Monday after three of their colleagues died of suspected Ebola.
Earlier this week, it was announced that the doctor leading Sierra Leone's fight against Ebola was being treated for the virus.
On Thursday, the World Health Organization said that 219 people had died of Ebola in Sierra Leone.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/25/us-heath-ebola-nigeria-idUSKBN0FU1LE20140725
QuoteNigeria government confirms Ebola case in megacity of Lagos
By Felix Onuah and Tom Miles
ABUJA/GENEVA Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:25pm EDT
(Reuters) - A Liberian man who died in Nigeria's commercial capital Lagos on Friday tested positive for the deadly Ebola virus, Health Minister Onyebuchi Chukwu said.
Patrick Sawyer, a consultant for the Liberian finance ministry in his 40s, collapsed on Sunday after flying into Lagos, a city of 21 million people, and was taken from the airport and put in isolation in a local hospital. Nigeria confirmed earlier on Friday that he had died in quarantine.
"His blood sample was taken to the advance laboratory at the Lagos university teaching hospital, which confirmed the diagnosis of the Ebola virus disease in the patient," Chukwu told a press conference on Friday. "This result was corroborated by other laboratories outside Nigeria."
However, at a separate press conference held by the Lagos state government at the same time, the city's health commissioner, Jide Idris, said that they were only "assuming that it was Ebola" because they were "waiting for a confirmative test to double check" from a laboratory in Dakar.
Paul Garwood, spokesman for the World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva, said the U.N. health agency was also still waiting for test results.
"We're still waiting for laboratory-confirmed results as to whether he died of Ebola or not," he said.
It could not be immediately determined why there was a contradiction in the comments from central government and city officials.
If confirmed, the man would be the first case on record of one of the world's deadliest diseases in Nigeria, Africa's biggest economy and with 170 million people, its most populous country. Ebola has killed 660 people across Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone since it was first diagnosed in February.
Sawyer was quarantined on arrival and had not entered the city, a Nigerian official told Reuters.
"While he was quarantined he passed away. Everyone who has had contact with him has been quarantined," the official said.
Liberia's finance minister Amara Konneh said Sawyer was a consultant for the country's finance ministry.
"Our understanding is that the cause of death was Ebola," Konneh told Reuters.
The victim's sister had died of the virus three weeks previously, and the degree of contact between the two was being investigated by Liberian health ministry officials, he said.
Earlier on Friday, WHO spokesman Paul Garwood said: "I understand that he was vomiting and he then turned himself over basically, he made it known that he wasn't feeling well. Nigerian health authorities took him and put him in isolation."
Nigeria has some of the continent's least adequate healthcare infrastructure, despite access to billions of dollars of oil money as Africa's biggest producer of crude.
Some officials think the disease is easier to contain in cities than in remote rural areas.
"The fear of spread within a dense population would be offset by better healthcare and a willingness to use it, easier contact tracing and, I assume for an urban population, less risky funerary and family rites," Ian Jones, a professor of virology at the University of Reading in Britain, said.
"It would be contained more easily than in rural populations."
There have been 1,093 Ebola cases to date in West Africa's first outbreak, including the 660 who have died, according to the WHO.
(Reporting by Tom Miles; Additional reporting by Tim Cocks and Oludare Mayowa in Lagos, Kate Holtan in London, Clair MacDougall in Monrovia, Emma Farge in Dakar and Stephanie Nebehay in Geneva; Writing by Stephanie Nebehay and Tim Cocks; Editing by Susan Fenton and Sonya Hepinstall)
Tim I read this 2-3 hours ago, but knew you'd be posting it, so gave you the 'honour' .
On subject, all in all, not a good situation. :(
Quote from: mongers on July 25, 2014, 07:43:01 PM
Tim I read this 2-3 hours ago, but knew you'd be posting it, so gave you the 'honour' .
On subject, all in all, not a good situation. :(
Maybe it's time to change the title then? :contract:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 25, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: mongers on July 25, 2014, 07:43:01 PM
Tim I read this 2-3 hours ago, but knew you'd be posting it, so gave you the 'honour' .
On subject, all in all, not a good situation. :(
Maybe it's time to change the title then? :contract:
OK.
:lol:
Does feel about right given that he mostly posts here to post the updated death toll.
He's Languish's personal Reuters ticker-tape.
Wish ticker-tape was strong enough to strangle him.
Quote from: mongers on July 26, 2014, 05:51:15 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 25, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: mongers on July 25, 2014, 07:43:01 PM
Tim I read this 2-3 hours ago, but knew you'd be posting it, so gave you the 'honour' .
On subject, all in all, not a good situation. :(
Maybe it's time to change the title then? :contract:
OK.
:lol:
Quote from: mongers on July 26, 2014, 05:51:15 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 25, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: mongers on July 25, 2014, 07:43:01 PM
Tim I read this 2-3 hours ago, but knew you'd be posting it, so gave you the 'honour' .
On subject, all in all, not a good situation. :(
Maybe it's time to change the title then? :contract:
OK.
:o Monstrous Slander!
Monster Salamander!
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 26, 2014, 10:19:23 AM
Wish ticker-tape was strong enough to strangle him.
You can't kill the news.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 27, 2014, 08:07:54 PM
You can't kill the news.
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 27, 2014, 07:57:06 PM
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Looks like one of my gallbladder attack bowel movements.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 27, 2014, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 27, 2014, 07:57:06 PM
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Looks like one of my gallbladder attack bowel movements holding a giant salamander.
FYP
I've named it Bob.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 27, 2014, 07:57:06 PM
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Good lord. It's like a they found a living Eryops.
:ph34r: Good thing I am leaving for South East Asia tomorrow.
QuoteEbola: Germany accepts infected patient for treatment
As medical services across Europe are on high alert to prevent any risk of Ebola spreading here, a hospital in Germany accepts a patient with the virus
More than 670 people have died so far in West Africa, as doctors struggle to contain the deadliest outbreak of the virus in history.
The country of Liberia has closed most of its borders to prevent the spread of the disease.
But, amid speculation their patient may be one of the world's leading Ebola experts, doctors in Germany insist there is no risk of the infection spreading from him.
He will be kept in a special isolation ward behind three separate air locks. The air inside the ward will be kept at lower pressure than outside, so none can escape – even though it is not believed Ebola can be transmitted by air.
Doctors and nurses will wear complete protective bodysuits with their own oxygen supplies whenever in contact with him. The suits will be replaced and burned every three hours.
The extreme precautions are an indication of how feared the Ebola virus is. The disease is spread by direct contact of blood or bodily fluids, including sweat and saliva. It causes massive internal bleeding, and is deadly in up to 90 per cent of cases.
German doctors agreed to accept the patient after a special request from the World Health Organisation (WHO), but it is not certain he will be able to come to Germany, amid reports he may be too sick to travel.
The patient has not been named, but the confirmation he is a Sierra Leonean national has fuelled speculation he may be Sheikh Umar Khan, one of Africa's leading ebola experts, who was infected last week.
Dr Khan is one of a number of medics battling the outbreak in West Africa who have themselves become infected.
Samuel Brisbane, one of Liberia's most famous doctors, died a few days ago after contracting the disease while treating patients.
Kent Brantly, an American doctor, and Nancy Writebol, an American paramedic, are in serious condition after becoming infected while working at a mission hospital in Liberia.
Doctors working with Ebola patients are at high risk of infection, and both Dr Brisbane and Dr Khan are regarded as heroes in Africa for their work with those infected with the disease.
The latest outbreak began in Guinea in February, before spreading to Liberia and Sierra Leone. Last week the first case was reported in Nigeria, and there are fears it may have spread to the city of Lagos, home to some 21 million people.
Will there be any Germans left alive when Zanza returns? :(
There will certainly be less Germans alive when I return.
I don't think it is Sheikh Umar Khan as he apparently was just confirmed dead.
So the ebola outbreak made me give Pandemic 2 another spin but no matter my tweaks this always happens: (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthemattcave.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F07%2F1216437884096.jpg&hash=9aa57a4cd9ed056540899d0b25581c37c7560acf)
I can't infect Madagascar, they always shut down the seaport. :mad:
The first thing I checked when "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" finished and they showed that map with the expansion of the epidemic, was to check if they got Madagascar.
Quote from: celedhring on August 01, 2014, 08:07:11 AM
The first thing I checked when "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" finished and they showed that map with the expansion of the epidemic, was to check if they got Madagascar.
Yup. :lol:
QuoteExperts: Ebola Vaccine At Least 50 White People Away (http://www.theonion.com/articles/experts-ebola-vaccine-at-least-50-white-people-awa,36580/)
NEWS IN BRIEF • Science & Technology • World • Health • Disease • ISSUE 50•30 • Jul 30, 2014
CONAKRY, GUINEA—With the death toll in West Africa continuing to rise amid a new outbreak of the Ebola virus, leading medical experts announced Wednesday that a vaccine for the deadly disease is still at least 50 white people from being developed. "While all measures are being taken to contain the spread of the contagion, an effective, safe, and reliable Ebola inoculation unfortunately remains roughly 50 to 60 white people away, if not more," said Tulane University pathologist Gregory Wensmann, adding that while progress has been made over the course of the last two or three white people, a potential Ebola vaccination is still many more white people off. "We are confident, however, that with each passing white person, we're moving closer to an eventual antigenic that will prevent and possibly even eradicate the disease." Wensmann said he remained optimistic that the vaccine would not take considerably longer than his prediction, as waiting more than 50 white people for an effective preventative measure was something the world would simply not allow.
I don't understand why people are being transported internationally for treatment. I'm sure that the risk is low and numerous precautions are being taken, but still....why not move the medical professionals to a secure site at the location of the patients instead?
Quote from: alfred russel on August 01, 2014, 09:58:03 AM
I don't understand why people are being transported internationally for treatment. I'm sure that the risk is low and numerous precautions are being taken, but still....why not move the medical professionals to a secure site at the location of the patients instead?
Because there are no secure sites in west Africa.
Quote from: Barrister on August 01, 2014, 10:05:01 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 01, 2014, 09:58:03 AM
I don't understand why people are being transported internationally for treatment. I'm sure that the risk is low and numerous precautions are being taken, but still....why not move the medical professionals to a secure site at the location of the patients instead?
Because there are no secure sites in west Africa.
What about a plane? If a plane can't be secured in west africa, then you have pilots and support staff that are also traveling between the locations.
Those poor nurses! :wacko:
Also, some rather odd English in this article
http://frontpageafricaonline.com/index.php/news/2506-sawyer-s-final-hours-in-lagos-indiscipline-rage-strange
QuoteFormer Finance Ministry Consultant who died from Ebola had an 'Indiscipline' Encounter with Nurses after being told he had Ebola; He denied making contact with any suspected case and ran amok when Medical Authorities at the First Consultants Hospital in Lagos tried to contain him; A last-ditch Evacuation effort was blocked by ECOWAS and the Nigerian government, FrontPageAfrica has learned
Looking to get to the bottom of Sawyer's strange ailment on the Asky Airline flight, which Sawyer transferred on in Togo, hospital officials say, he was tested for both malaria and HIV AIDS. However, when both tests came back negative, he was then asked whether he had made contact with any person with the Ebola Virus, to which Sawyer denied. Sawyer's sister, Princess had died of the deadly virus on Monday, July 7, 2014 at the Catholic Hospital in Monrovia. On Friday, July 25, 2014, 18 days later, Sawyer died in Lagos.
The Center for Disease Control (CDC) recommends that the average incubation period for suspected cases or someone who has made contact with an Ebola patient is eight to ten days from exposure to onset of symptoms. The range is from two to 21 days. "That's why we recommend that contacts of an infected person go on a fever watch for 21 days," says Stephan Monroe, deputy director of CDC's National Center for Emerging Zoonotic and Infectious Diseases, at a briefing Monday.
'Against Medical Advice'
Since the first report surfaced in March, there have been more than 1,201 cases reported and unfortunately 672 deaths in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, the CDC says. "This is the largest Ebola outbreak in history and the first in West Africa. It's a rapidly changing situation and we expect there will be more cases in these countries in the coming weeks and months. The response to this outbreak will be more of a marathon than a sprint."
Back in Lagos, authorities at the First Consultants Hospital in Obalende decided that despite Sawyer's denial, they would test him for Ebola, due to the fact that he had just arrived from Liberia, where there has been an outbreak of the disease with more than 100 deaths.
The hospital issued a statement this week stating that Sawyer was quarantined immediately after he was discovered to have been infected with the deadly virus. In addition, a barrier nursing was implemented around Sawyer and the Lagos State Ministry of Health was immediately notified. Hospital authorities also requested the Federal Ministry of Health for additional laboratory test based on its suspicion of Ebola.
FrontPageAfrica has now learned that upon being told he had Ebola, Mr. Sawyer went into a rage, denying and objecting to the opinion of the medical experts. "He was so adamant and difficult that he took the tubes from his body and took off his pants and urinated on the health workers, forcing them to flee.
The hospital would later report that it resisted immense pressure to let out Sawyer from its hospital against the insistence from some higher-ups and conference organizers that he had a key role to play at the ECOWAS convention in Calabar, the Cross River State capital. In fact, FrontPageAfrica has been informed that officials in Monrovia were in negotiations with ECOWAS to have Sawyer flown back to Liberia.
A text message in possession of FrontPageAfrica from the ECOWAS Ambassador in Liberia, responding to a senior GoL official reads: Your Excellency, the disease control department of the Federal Ministry of Health just contacted me through the hospital now, insisting that Mr. Sawyer be evacuated for now. Pls advise urgently."
LUTH Lab positive on Ebola
First Consultants said that it then went further to reach senior officials in the Office of the Secretary of Health of the USA who assisted it with contacts at the Centre for Disease Control and W.H.O Regional Laboratory Centre in Senegal. According to the hospital, the initial results from LUTH laboratory showed a signal of possible Ebola virus, but required confirmation.
The First Consultants statement noted that it was able to obtain confirmation of Ebola virus disease, (Zaire strain) after working with the state, federal and international agencies. Sawyer was pronounced dead at 6:50 AM Nigeria time, on July 25 and all agencies were properly notified.
Once the case was officially confirmed, the hospital was temporarily shut down and in-house patients immediately evacuated. Sawyer's body was subsequently cremated under W.H.O guidelines and witnessed by all appropriate agencies, according to the hospital statement. "In keeping with W.H.O guidelines, the hospital is shut down briefly as full decontamination exercise is currently in progress. The re-opening of the hospital will also be in accordance with its guidelines", the hospital said.
In the aftermath of Sawyer's death, both federal and state authorities in Lagos have instituted measures to curb the spread of the disease and quarantining all those who came in contact with Sawyer.
In total, Sawyer reportedly came in direct contact with 59 persons, 44 of whom were at the hospital he was taken to when he fell ill, according to the Lagos State government. The Lagos state government clarified in a statement Monday that Ms. Obi-Nnadozie, Nigeria's Ambassador to Liberia was not among the 15 people at the airport who had had direct contact with Mr. Sawyer before his death as was initially believed.
Ashes Returned to Liberia
However, it has been reported that Sawyer came in contact with three ECOWAS officials – a driver, a liaison officer and a protocol officer. Also in the list are two nursing staff and five airport handlers.
Dr. Jide Idris, the Lagos State Health Commissioner, told a news conference this week that 20 per cent of those that came in contact with the deceased had been physically screened. "The private hospital (First Consultants Medical Centre) was demobilized and primary source of infection eliminated. The patient has been cremated and the ash will be transferred to the Liberian government whenever the need arises. Decontamination process in all affected areas has commenced," Dr. Idris said.
In the aftermath of Sawyer's death, diplomatic, ECOWAS and medical authorities here are baffled over Sawyer's deception, especially armed with new information that his sister, Princess had died of the deadly virus and his denial. Finance Ministry sources in Monrovia are in quiet murmur over what they feel was a letdown by Sawyer for not being forthcoming with his peers he worked with.
The ministry has since been temporarily shut down and those who came in contact with Sawyer are on a 21-day forced incubation monitoring process. "All senior officials coming in direct or indirect contact with Mr. Sawyer has been placed on the prescribed 21 days of observatory surveillance," the ministry said in a statement this week.
FrontPageAfrica has now learnt that Sawyer exhibited similar indiscipline behavior during his sister's stay at the Catholic Hospital in Monrovia where she was taken because he noticed she was bleeding profusely and was later found to be a victim of Ebola.
'Indiscipline' Sawyer, EJS Says
Sawyer was seen with blood on his clothing after his sister's death and had earlier demanded that she be placed in a private room. President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf cited indiscipline and disrespect as a key reason why Sawyer contracted the Ebola virus. She said his failure to heed medical advice put the lives of other residents across the nation's border at risk.
A disease which now claimed more than a hundred Liberians has now forced the Sirleaf-lead government to shut down the borders, schools and a host of other measures to ensure that the disease does not get out of hand, including a US$5 million initial contribution to begin the immediate implementation of this plan. "Our immediate strategy is to contain the spread, care for the afflicted with the goal of "No New Cases"," Sirleaf told the nation in an address Wednesday. FrontPageAfrica has learned that the Ministry of Health is requesting US$20 million to combat the disease.
In addition, the President has mandated that all non-essential staff, to be determined by the Minister or Head of Agency, are to be placed on a 30-day compulsory leave and Friday, August 1, is declared a non-working day and is to be used for the disinfection and chlorination of all public facilities.
"All borders that are to remain opened are to be directly supervised and controlled by the Bureau of Immigration and Naturalization whose duties it shall be, working with the assigned health authorities, to ensure strict adherence to announce preventive measures including preliminary testing for fever. Without exceptions, all schools are ordered closed pending further directive from the Ministry of Education. All markets at border areas including Foya, Bo Waterside, and Ganta are hereby ordered closed until further notice.
But despite the measures put in place by Liberia, the effect of Sawyer's 'indiscipline has already taken a toll. ASKY, the Pan-African airline ASKY on which Sawyer flew, has suspended all flights to and from Monrovia and Sierra Leone as has other regional carriers, Arik Air and Gambia Bird dealing a huge blow to commercial aviation.
Linger Questions Over Behavior
Back in Monrovia, Samaritan Purse, the U.S. missionary group helping to treat Ebola patients is scaling down, announcing Wednesday, plans to evacuate nonessential personnel given the five-month-old outbreak is worsening as the fate of two Americans infected with the Ebola hang in the balance on hope and prayers.
For Sawyer, questions are lingering over his behavior, both at the Catholic Hospital in Monrovia and the First Consultants in Lagos and what led him to behave the way he did. More importantly diplomatic observers here are puzzled over his demise: The timing and behavior. A few persons who spoke to Sawyer, including FrontPageAfrica reported that he sounded fine hours before his death. It is unclear what pushed him to the wall and why?
As for the other eight members of the delegation that flew to Lagos, along with Sawyer, diplomatic sources in Lagos confirmed to FrontPageAfrica Wednesday that they were all checked and told to report to the Ministry of Health in Monrovia upon their arrival. It is unclear how close they were to Sawyer or whether authorities in Monrovia have begun monitoring them as the clock ticks on the recommended 21-day incubation period.
This epidemic is really picking up speed, 61 dead in the last two days. :(
http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-ebola-death-887-spreads-nigeria-20140804-story.html
QuoteThe deadly Ebola virus sweeping through West Africa continues to accelerate, according to numbers released Monday by the World Health Organization.
The virus has now claimed at least 887 lives, the WHO reported, with 163 new cases and 61 deaths in just two days.
The latest update indicates the disease is picking up speed, with the number of new infections surging by 33% over the last three-day report ending July 27, and three new cases reported in Nigeria, the latest country to be hit by the disease.
Of the four cases there, three were classified as "probable," and one was "suspected," the WHO said.
At least one of the newly reported cases in Nigeria was said to be a doctor who was treating Liberian-American Patrick Sawyer, 40, who fell ill on a flight from Liberia to Lagos on July 20, and was immediately quarantined upon arrival.
Efforts to confirm that Sawyer indeed died of Ebola have been hampered by couriers who are unwilling to transport the biological samples for secondary testing, the WHO said last week.
Sawyer, who became the first reported Ebola death in Nigeria and who was scheduled to fly to the United States soon to visit his family, raised major concerns that the virus could continue to spread quickly from major population centers like Lagos, the continent's largest city and home to 21 million people.
Last week, the WHO called the apparent spread of the disease into a fourth territory a "significant development in the course of this outbreak."
"This outbreak is moving faster than our efforts to control it," Dr. Margaret Chan, director-general of the World Health Organization, told leaders of four West African countries gathered in Conakry, Guinea, last week. "If the situation continues to deteriorate, the consequences can be catastrophic in terms of lost lives but also severe socioeconomic disruption and a high risk of spread to other countries."
In a press briefing Monday, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the U.S. Centers for Disease Control were continuing to assist West African governments with the Ebola crisis, sending a "surge" of about 50 disease control specialists to the region starting last week.
In addition, Earnest said, authorities are screening travelers who are entering major U.S. airports from the affected countries and will quarantine them if necessary.
The CDC last week issued a travel advisory, warning travelers against non-essential travel to Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, for fear that travelers might get exposed to Ebola if they needed medical care in a hospital overwhelmed by patients.
Whose finance ministry was that guy working for? It's unclear.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 06, 2014, 01:52:21 AM
Whose finance ministry was that guy working for? It's unclear.
Pretty sure it was Liberia.
With the exception of Guinea, the trend doesn't bode well
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What's worse is that it's likely much worse than that!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-outbreak-could-be-much-worse-than-thought/
QuoteJOHANNESBURG, South Africa -- The worst outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in history could actually be much worse than the official death toll reflects. Already, the World Health Organization says 887 people have died, but a top doctor working at the heart of the outbreak in West Africa says many cases are going unreported.
The senior doctor, who works for a leading medical organization in Liberia, explained to CBS News' Debora Patta that what has helped set this outbreak apart from previous ones is the virus' spread in urban areas.
One of the epicenters of the disease is the Liberian capital of Monrovia, home to about a million people, or almost a quarter of the country's population.
The doctor, who spoke to CBS News on condition of confidentiality, said the disease is spinning out of control in Africa partly because it is extremely difficult to contain it in a sprawling, congested city center.
Meanwhile, the second American missionary infected with the virus was on her way back to the U.S. aboard a private jet Tuesday morning. Nancy Writebol was expected to reach the isolation unit at the Emory University Hospital later in the day. Her colleague, Dr. Kent Brantly, is already there. Both have been given an experimental serum to try and treat the disease, and hopes have been expressed over limited improvements in their condition.
Also, officials at a hospital in New York city said a man admitted to the facility Monday morning showing symptoms commonly associated with Ebola likely does not have the disease. He had traveled recently to West Africa, but a senior doctor at Mt. Sinai hospital told reporters the "odds are" his ailment is not linked to the deadly virus.
The official Ebola death toll jumped from 729 to 887 on Monday as Liberia confirmed dozens of new cases, but the doctor told us he believes the real number is at least 50 percent higher.
He put this down to the fact that people are scared to report Ebola cases, and have instead been hiding sick relatives and burying the still-contagious bodies of the dead in secret.
Traditions in parts of West Africa involve touching bodies before burial -- potentially putting unknown numbers of family and community members at risk.
The Liberian government has ordered that the corpses of all Ebola victims be cremated.
Two treatment centers have been set up in Monrovia; JFK Hospital, which is right in the middle of the city, and the ELWA (Eternal Love Wins Africa) center, run by a Christian charity, in a suburb not far from the center.
As Western aid organizations have pulled many workers out of West Africa, control of the treatment centers has been handed back to a large degree to the Liberian government, which has already said trying to control the outbreak is beyond its capability.
The international non-profit group Doctors Without Borders has issued a statement saying it is over-stretched and under-staffed on the ground in the region, and its workers still don't have a full grasp on all the infected areas.
The implication in that statement is that the disease could be quietly spreading in parts of Liberia and neighboring nations where victims' families have not yet come forward.
Apparently in Liberia people are just dumping the bodies in the street. :o
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/05/us-health-ebola-africa-idUSKBN0G51VF20140805 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/05/us-health-ebola-africa-idUSKBN0G51VF20140805)
Also, shocking no one, quarantines are not being enforced
http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2014/08/containing-ebola-outbreak (http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2014/08/containing-ebola-outbreak)
Saudi being tested for Ebola dies.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/saudi-man-tested-ebola-dies-hospital-24860809
Known death toll is now 932 out of 1700 cases
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/nigerian-health-minister-says-nurse-died-of-ebola/2014/08/06/7946899a-1d55-11e4-9b6c-12e30cbe86a3_story.html
From the Mehmet Oz Institute of Medicine, Infectious Batshit Crazy division:
QuoteWest Africans Are Streaming Across the U.S. Southern Border Carrying the Ebola Virus (http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/08/03/west-africans-are-streaming-across-the-u-s-southern-border-carrying-the-ebola-virus/)
Whether the title of this article is true today, or tomorrow, this is a factual report. Given our border situation, there is nothing that can be done to keep Ebola out of the United States, even if all planes were grounded immediately.
One of the most often asked questions that I am receiving today centers on how I know that West Africans are coming into the United States in significant numbers. Although some people will not believe something is so unless they see it on CNN, I am unequivocally stating that the arrival of Ebola through our southern border has already happened or is imminent.
What I have learned over the past three weeks about the path of Ebola into the United States is frightening and it is not being discussed anywhere in the main stream media.
To those who have asked me about how we know that Ebola-exposed West Africans are coming into the country, this article will answer this question.
For a nice, scientific round-up, try this (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ebola-outbreaks-science-versus-fear-mongering-and-quackery/).
Oh, good Lord.
Kinda reminds me how Castro was to blame for using HIV as a biological weapon against the US.
Well ebolas hit toronto. Or at least a guy who visited Nigeria has Ebola like symptoms. I hope you're happy Tim <_< :P
Was nice knowing you, Hilario. :cry:
Quote from: HVC on August 09, 2014, 01:01:14 AM
Well ebolas hit toronto. Or at least a guy who visited Nigeria has Ebola like symptoms. I hope you're happy Tim <_< :P
Don't worry, you'll know it if you've got it. Until then, don't sweat it. :P
The only person you can't tell the difference between hemorrhagic diarrhea and taking a dump is Ed.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 09, 2014, 01:03:45 AM
Was nice knowing you, Hilario. :cry:
I always knew I'd go out bleeding from the eyes and cursing tim's name
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2014, 08:07:36 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 09, 2014, 01:01:14 AM
Well ebolas hit toronto. Or at least a guy who visited Nigeria has Ebola like symptoms. I hope you're happy Tim <_< :P
Don't worry, you'll know it if you've got it. Until then, don't sweat it. :P
The only person you can't tell the difference between hemorrhagic diarrhea and taking a dump is Ed.
:D
Mongers is a prophet :(
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/07/ebola-experts-describe-atmosphere-in-west-africa-as-apocalyptic.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Be
Quote
...
The outbreak is getting worse.
It's already an unprecedented outbreak, CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden says, and the number
of infected and killed by Ebola will likely soon outnumber all other Ebola outbreaks in the past 32 years combined. Accordingto the CDC, there have already been more than 1,700 suspected and confirmed cases ofEbola in West Africa, and more than 900 deaths—numbers that Frieden latercalled"too foggy" to be definitive. Ken Isaacs, the vice president of Program and Government Relations for Samaritan's Purse, paintedan even bleaker picture.
According to the WorldHealth Organization, West Africa has counted1,711 diagnoses and 932 deaths, already, which could represent only a small fraction ofthe true number. "We believe that these numbers represent just 25 to 50 percent of what is happening," said Isaacs.
The atmospherein West Africa is "apocalyptic."
In a six-hour meeting with the president of Liberia last week, Isaacs saidworkers from Samaritan's Purse and SIM watched as the "somber" officials explained the gravity of the situation in theircountries, where hundreds lie deadin the streets. "It has an atmosphere of apocalypse," Isaacs said of the Liberia Ministry ofHealth's status updates. "Bodies lying in the street...gangs threatening to burndown hospitals. I believe this disease has the potential to be a national security risk for many nations. Our response has been a failure." Isaacs says that the epidemic is inciting panic worldwide that, in his opinion, may soon be warranted.
"We have to fight it now here orwe're going to have to fight it somewhere else."
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on August 07, 2014, 09:10:48 AM
From the Mehmet Oz Institute of Medicine, Infectious Batshit Crazy division:
QuoteWest Africans Are Streaming Across the U.S. Southern Border Carrying the Ebola Virus (http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/08/03/west-africans-are-streaming-across-the-u-s-southern-border-carrying-the-ebola-virus/)
Whether the title of this article is true today, or tomorrow, this is a factual report. Given our border situation, there is nothing that can be done to keep Ebola out of the United States, even if all planes were grounded immediately.
One of the most often asked questions that I am receiving today centers on how I know that West Africans are coming into the United States in significant numbers. Although some people will not believe something is so unless they see it on CNN, I am unequivocally stating that the arrival of Ebola through our southern border has already happened or is imminent.
What I have learned over the past three weeks about the path of Ebola into the United States is frightening and it is not being discussed anywhere in the main stream media.
To those who have asked me about how we know that Ebola-exposed West Africans are coming into the country, this article will answer this question.
For a nice, scientific round-up, try this (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ebola-outbreaks-science-versus-fear-mongering-and-quackery/).
Little does that guy know Ebola is going to come pouring in our northern border. Blame Canada!
An European has died from Ebola, time to act!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28754899
Cancel the Ebola-scare, we apparently have an outbreak of listeria which has killed 12 Danes!
If I was still living in my small Hungarian hometown I wouldn't care at all, as it would only get there when all of Europe is already dying out of it. But here just next to London? I do have a slight concern.
Once again from Science-Based Medicine:
Quote
Yet another plague panic (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/yet-another-plague-panic/)
Thirty plus years in medicine has given me some perspective as has infectious diseases (ID). One of the almost TNTC cool things about ID is that infections, unlike the diseases of modernity, have been plaguing humans since before we were humans.
There is a sense, a usually unvoiced assumption, on the part of many people that we are supposed to be healthy, that our default mode is good health and that with the proper diet and attitude we could obtain the health that was ours before the fall.
I think not. I see no perfection in any human, except maybe my wife who would achieve perfection if only she liked beer and steak.
We are a hodgepodge of anatomic and physiologic compromises that allowed us to spread across the world. But if you like to read history, you realize that most of the time we died like flies from infections, trauma and other medical problems. The variations that allowed us to survive malaria or tuberculosis led to sickle crises and the metabolic syndrome. Even with evolution no good mutation ever goes unpunished.
Read the full article at the link, you lazy gits. :P
Languish rally point is Camp Anger. Between his stash of MREs and all the Fancy Ketchup packs he's lifted from MickeyD's Happy Meals, we could ride out the Rapture.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 12, 2014, 10:02:07 AM
Languish rally point is Camp Anger. Between his stash of MREs and all the Fancy Ketchup packs he's lifted from MickeyD's Happy Meals, we could ride out the Rapture.
I have 3000 rounds of 7.62 ammo. You fucks won't get over the wall.
Plus the twins will contribute with their Henry rifles.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 12, 2014, 10:02:07 AM
Languish rally point is Camp Anger. Between his stash of MREs and all the Fancy Ketchup packs he's lifted from MickeyD's Happy Meals, we could ride out the Rapture.
I have 3000 rounds of 7.62 ammo. You fucks won't get over the wall.
Plus the twins will contribute with their Henry rifles.
We will infiltrate when you are distracted by taking a particularly significant poop, and posting about it. ;)
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 12, 2014, 10:02:07 AM
Languish rally point is Camp Anger. Between his stash of MREs and all the Fancy Ketchup packs he's lifted from MickeyD's Happy Meals, we could ride out the Rapture.
I have 3000 rounds of 7.62 ammo. You fucks won't get over the wall.
Plus the twins will contribute with their Henry rifles.
You put up a tough guy act but when the apocalypse comes you will relish in your role as our Supreme Ruler.
I really doubt the ability of Languish Aspies to infiltrate anything.
OMG, THIS WALL ISNT PERFECTLY LEVEL
WHY DOES HE HAVE 2 SHEDS?
OH MY GOD, THERE IS A CROSS ABOVE HIS FRONT DOOR. RELIGIONWHARGARBL
We Languish posters are more than a match for the likes of you, 'Two Sheds'.
You people are fat. Go be fat somewhere else.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 11:32:25 AM
I really doubt the ability of Languish Aspies to infiltrate anything.
OMG, THIS WALL ISNT PERFECTLY LEVEL
WHY DOES HE HAVE 2 SHEDS?
OH MY GOD, THERE IS A CROSS ABOVE HIS FRONT DOOR. RELIGIONWHARGARBL
crooked wall, two sheds, cross above the door - go it
Any other personal information you'd care to share?
I have a giant scar on my lower right part of my abdomen.
Also, fuck you all. I wouldn't piss on you people if you was on fire.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 12, 2014, 10:02:07 AM
Languish rally point is Camp Anger. Between his stash of MREs and all the Fancy Ketchup packs he's lifted from MickeyD's Happy Meals, we could ride out the Rapture.
I have 3000 rounds of 7.62 ammo. You fucks won't get over the wall.
Plus the twins will contribute with their Henry rifles.
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Aim small, miss small.
Quote from: Valmy on August 12, 2014, 11:34:45 AM
We Languish posters are more than a match for the likes of you, 'Two Sheds'.
Yeah, get your own Ebola thread, ya fairy.
This is my thread now, boy.
<_< Stay on script.
Eat me, Ed. Gonna scale that compound like Titus broke Jerusalem: with anodized industrial shelving. :yeah:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bt.dk%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles-dk%2Fnode-images%2F565%2F7%2F7565507-bild-wurst.jpg&hash=b42313fd7f53bc236ad5949f500be3e187227766)
Ed has a Wurst Alarm the morning after downing too many brats.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 12, 2014, 12:21:57 PM
Eat me, Ed. Gonna scale that compound like Titus broke Jerusalem: with anodized industrial shelving. :yeah:
Time to load the magazines.
Also, no Catholics.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 12:03:33 PM
Also, fuck you all. I wouldn't piss on you people if you was on fire.
I think I'd be rather insulted if you peed on me. :angry:
Quote from: garbon on August 12, 2014, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 12:03:33 PM
Also, fuck you all. I wouldn't piss on you people if you was on fire.
I think I'd be rather insulted if you peed on me. :angry:
Worse if he set you on fire first.
Quote from: garbon on August 12, 2014, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 12:03:33 PM
Also, fuck you all. I wouldn't piss on you people if you was on fire.
I think I'd be rather insulted if you peed on me. :angry:
Garbon charges extra for that. At least front row seats, and we're not talking
Jersey Boys.
Quote from: Malthus on August 13, 2014, 09:15:37 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 12, 2014, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 12:03:33 PM
Also, fuck you all. I wouldn't piss on you people if you was on fire.
I think I'd be rather insulted if you peed on me. :angry:
Worse if he set you on fire first.
Being set on fire might be considered a compliment. :hmm:
LOL, flaming. I GIT IT
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 13, 2014, 10:40:25 AM
LOL, flaming. I GIT IT
Hey it wasn't a gay man that crooned "your sex is on fire."
So speaking of which, today Polish media are talking about a Catholic-priest-led group of Polish high school humanitarian volunteers who just came back from Liberia. Noone would have noticed if one of the bunch didn't post on Facebook that he wonders if he should be worried.
When, in few years, we discuss how Europe fell to Ebola, you will know where it started. :frusty:
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2014, 11:32:25 AM
I really doubt the ability of Languish Aspies to infiltrate anything.
OMG, THIS WALL ISNT PERFECTLY LEVEL
WHY DOES HE HAVE 2 SHEDS?
OH MY GOD, THERE IS A CROSS ABOVE HIS FRONT DOOR. RELIGIONWHARGARBL
QuoteLast week the Royal Festival Hall saw the first performance of a new symphony by one of the world's leading modern composers, Edward 'Two Sheds' Anger. Mr. Anger.
Quote from: Martinus on August 13, 2014, 01:20:12 PM
So speaking of which, today Polish media are talking about a Catholic-priest-led group of Polish high school humanitarian volunteers who just came back from Liberia. Noone would have noticed if one of the bunch didn't post on Facebook that he wonders if he should be worried.
When, in few years, we discuss how Europe fell to Ebola, you will know where it started. :frusty:
Humanitarianism. I always knew that was the weak spot that would lead to the collapse of our society. :(
http://saharareporters.com/2014/08/14/president-jonathan-sacks-16000-nigerian-resident-doctors
Nigeria fired all its doctors, I'm sure thay won't harm the effort to keep out Ebolanat all. :)
I guess one shouldn't try and use an epidemic as leverage.
WHO says that the "number of reported cases and deaths vastly underestimate the magnitude of the outbreak."
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/overview-20140814/en/
MSF predicts the outbreak will take at least six months to get under control.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28807281
Quote from: garbon on August 15, 2014, 07:07:55 AM
I guess one shouldn't try and use an epidemic as leverage.
And here you go again applying first world morality to third world problems.
Quote from: Martinus on August 16, 2014, 04:12:04 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 15, 2014, 07:07:55 AM
I guess one shouldn't try and use an epidemic as leverage.
And here you go again applying first world morality to third world problems.
Well it looks like Nigeria took a first world solution - fire their asses. :)
Besides, I've no interest in a morality that calls for strikes while people are dying.
They're not making it easier for themselves.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-armed-men-attack-liberia-ebola-clinic-freeing-patients/
have these countries had serious and widely publicized epidemics like this before (in semi-recent years), with this sort of reaction? a silver lining five to ten years down the road might be that this could hurt the credibility of the voodoo practitioners/naysayers in those countries. :hmm:
White people in white plastic suits bringing death to the village, nah, not going to hurt the voodoo douches.
Quote from: Liep on August 17, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
White people in white plastic suits bringing death to the village, nah, not going to hurt the voodoo douches.
The voodoo guys have been failing to cure anything for centuries. I don't see why failing to cure sick people should suddenly now discredit them.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 17, 2014, 12:42:35 PMThe voodoo guys have been failing to cure anything for centuries. I don't see why failing to cure sick people should suddenly now discredit them.
not in that sense. in the "god, people reacted that way?" sense sometime down the line. some are never going to believe it was ebola, but a major catastrophe with this sort of reaction is a good way to make people realize how crazy some of these beliefs are.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 17, 2014, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: Liep on August 17, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
White people in white plastic suits bringing death to the village, nah, not going to hurt the voodoo douches.
The voodoo guys have been failing to cure anything for centuries. I don't see why failing to cure sick people should suddenly now discredit them.
They have more street cred with the unwashed than a bunch of guys showing up in
2001: A Space Odyssey suits.
Quote from: Liep on August 17, 2014, 09:44:48 AM
They're not making it easier for themselves.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-armed-men-attack-liberia-ebola-clinic-freeing-patients/
The bolded calls for the most appropriate use of this emoticon ever :bleeding:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/17/ebola-patients-flee-quarantine-centre-in-liberia-as-local-mob-on-looting-spree-steals-bloody-sheets-mattresses/
QuoteEbola patients flee quarantine centre in Liberia as local mob on 'looting spree' steals bloody sheets, mattresses
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 17, 2014, 08:47:33 PM
Quote from: Liep on August 17, 2014, 09:44:48 AM
They're not making it easier for themselves.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-armed-men-attack-liberia-ebola-clinic-freeing-patients/
The bolded calls for the most appropriate use of this emoticon ever :bleeding:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/17/ebola-patients-flee-quarantine-centre-in-liberia-as-local-mob-on-looting-spree-steals-bloody-sheets-mattresses/
QuoteEbola patients flee quarantine centre in Liberia as local mob on 'looting spree' steals bloody sheets, mattresses
Not quite as apt as the uses discussing a certain television duel. :contract:
Now if there was a half :bleeding:, half :rolleyes: smilie, that would fit perfectly.
I'm not an epidemiologist, but there might be reasons communicable disease outbreaks so commonly occur in Africa. :hmm:
That slum is so fucked. Thousands could die just in that one district.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/18/why-the-escape-of-numerous-ebola-patients-in-liberias-worst-slum-is-so-terrifying/?tid=hp_mm
Panic on the streets of Berlin.
http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article131372374/30-Jaehrige-mit-Ebola-Symptomen-wird-in-Charite-behandelt.html
Quote from: The Brain on March 23, 2014, 11:59:36 PM
How many people in Africa actually eat da poo poo?
3000 since 1967, according to Fate.
They've quarantined that slum with the army. Given that the disease already exists in the city outside of that slum I don't think it will have much effect other than to condemn thousands of those poor people to death.
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2024355394_liberiabarricadexml.html
Quote from: alfred russel on August 17, 2014, 08:54:50 PM
I'm not an epidemiologist, but there might be reasons communicable disease outbreaks so commonly occur in Africa. :hmm:
Not enough "kill-the-gays" laws like in Uganda? :hmm:
All Sierra Leone cases can be traced back to a faith healer living on the border of Guinea who claimed she could heal Ebola with a touch. She was mistaken.
http://news.yahoo.com/sierra-leones-365-ebola-deaths-traced-back-one-065404276.html (http://news.yahoo.com/sierra-leones-365-ebola-deaths-traced-back-one-065404276.html)
Meanwhile, in the rational and scientific West:
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/yes-a-website-published-a-homeopathic-treatment-for-ebola-article--l1qdO2Pazg
QuoteWhat you need:
1. A face mask and gloves
2. Two bottles (50 ml up to 500 ml glass or plastic bottles) with caps
3. Clean water (mineral or tap water)
4. An Ebola sample: some spit or other disease product, such as blood, from a person infected with Ebola, or who is suspected sick with it.
Any small quantity will do, even a pinhead.
5. An alcoholic liquid, such as whisky, brandy, rum, etc.
6. Half an hour of your time.
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 06:09:20 AM
Meanwhile, in the rational and scientific West:
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/yes-a-website-published-a-homeopathic-treatment-for-ebola-article--l1qdO2Pazg
QuoteWhat you need:
1. A face mask and gloves
2. Two bottles (50 ml up to 500 ml glass or plastic bottles) with caps
3. Clean water (mineral or tap water)
4. An Ebola sample: some spit or other disease product, such as blood, from a person infected with Ebola, or who is suspected sick with it.
Any small quantity will do, even a pinhead.
5. An alcoholic liquid, such as whisky, brandy, rum, etc.
6. Half an hour of your time.
At the top of your cite:
Quote"Natural News was made aware of a blog post that seemed to recommend a highly questionable method related to Ebola prevention. The blog post has been removed pending further investigation, and the blogger is under review. Natural News does not condone any member of the public attempting to interact with Ebola, a very hazardous biological threat."
Idiot much?
That someone had that idea in the first place is idiotic, no?
Homeopathy :bleeding:
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 07:48:14 AM
That someone had that idea in the first place is idiotic, no?
Not nearly as idiotic as implying that that sort of nonsense was in any way connected to "the rational and scientific West." As a troll, that's weak sauce indeed.
Quote from: grumbler on August 21, 2014, 08:51:10 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 07:48:14 AM
That someone had that idea in the first place is idiotic, no?
Not nearly as idiotic as implying that that sort of nonsense was in any way connected to "the rational and scientific West." As a troll, that's weak sauce indeed.
My point was that we are making fun of Africans with their voodoo doctors and shamans, but in the West we have our own share of lunatics. Or are you saying that homeopathy is not a Western phenomenon?
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 08:55:39 AM
My point was that we are making fun of Africans with their voodoo doctors and shamans, but in the West we have our own share of lunatics. Or are you saying that homeopathy is not a Western phenomenon?
I think we are rather horrified of the serious damage these sorts of beliefs are having in Africa with regards to the Ebola epidemic than laughing and doing blackface dances or whatever. But we do the same when Westerners do horrible things like immunization skepticism or other dangerous anti-science nonsense that leads to tragedy.
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2014, 09:37:20 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 08:55:39 AM
My point was that we are making fun of Africans with their voodoo doctors and shamans, but in the West we have our own share of lunatics. Or are you saying that homeopathy is not a Western phenomenon?
I think we are rather horrified of the serious damage these sorts of beliefs are having in Africa with regards to the Ebola epidemic than laughing and doing blackface dances or whatever. But we do the same when Westerners do horrible things like immunization skepticism or other dangerous anti-science nonsense that leads to tragedy.
True, but I think we tend to view (or at least imply) the former asa rule and the latter as an exception to the rule.
Again, I am not saying that this is necessarily untrue - just that I claim to be agnostic about this (same as I do in the Islam thread) and I am concerned we are operating based on a stereotype rather than fact and statistical data.
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 09:39:21 AM
True, but I think we tend to view (or at least imply) the former being a rule and the latter an exception to the rule.
Euros might. I live in a country where something like 25% believe the world is 6000 years old. No telling what idiotic stuff Americans will believe.
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2014, 09:41:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 09:39:21 AM
True, but I think we tend to view (or at least imply) the former being a rule and the latter an exception to the rule.
Euros might. I live in a country where something like 25% believe the world is 6000 years old. No telling what idiotic stuff Americans will believe.
Speaking of which, the "vaccines-are-evil-and-cause-autism" craze has recently reached Poland. :bleeding:
I can't wait for the re-emergence of polio.
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2014, 09:41:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 09:39:21 AM
True, but I think we tend to view (or at least imply) the former being a rule and the latter an exception to the rule.
Euros might. I live in a country where something like 25% believe the world is 6000 years old. No telling what idiotic stuff Americans will believe.
They believe agencies like the CDC and FDA possess too much "regulatory zeal". And they vote.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2014, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2014, 09:41:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 09:39:21 AM
True, but I think we tend to view (or at least imply) the former being a rule and the latter an exception to the rule.
Euros might. I live in a country where something like 25% believe the world is 6000 years old. No telling what idiotic stuff Americans will believe.
They believe agencies like the CDC and FDA possess too much "regulatory zeal". And they vote.
The FDA is generally dreadful.
QuoteEbola Patient Dr. Kent Brantly Says 'God Saved My Life'
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-patient-dr-kent-brantley-released-emory-hospital/story?id=25060979
Gotta love God. First He kills several hundred Africans, then He saves one American. What a joker He is. :lol:
God sent him back to lead us against Mordor.
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2014, 03:40:48 PM
God sent him back to lead us against Mordor.
To quote Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, thanking God for sparing you from a pestilence that has killed hundreds of others is a bit like sending a thank-you note to a serial killing for stabbing the family next door. ;)
Quote from: garbon on August 21, 2014, 01:02:02 PM
The FDA is generally dreadful.
They do like to try and fix problems that don't exist.
Quote from: derspiess on August 21, 2014, 03:45:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 21, 2014, 01:02:02 PM
The FDA is generally dreadful.
They do like to try and fix problems that don't exist.
Actually, they only get involved when people start to do things like dying.
Quote from: garbon on August 21, 2014, 01:02:02 PM
The FDA is generally dreadful.
A shill for the pharma industry would say something like that.
You have as much cred as Yi does on Wall Street reform.
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 03:42:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2014, 03:40:48 PM
God sent him back to lead us against Mordor.
To quote Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, thanking God for sparing you from a pestilence that has killed hundreds of others is a bit like sending a thank-you note to a serial killing for stabbing the family next door. ;)
:lol:
But the serial killer hasn't promised that he's coming back for you later.
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 08:55:39 AM
My point was that we are making fun of Africans with their voodoo doctors and shamans, but in the West we have our own share of lunatics. Or are you saying that homeopathy is not a Western phenomenon?
I don't see how any "Western lunatics" are part of "the rational and scientific West." If they are considered lunatics, they probably aren't part of Western rationality or science. Your argument seems to be 100% pure rhetorical bullshit.
how much of the population in those african countries believe in shamanism/voodooism and reject modern science, anyway?
Grumbler has no problem rejecting science when he feel the need.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 22, 2014, 10:18:22 PM
Grumbler has no problem rejecting science when he feel the need.
:hmm:
grumbler is often right. he once made an argument against agnosticism so convincing it helped switch me over to atheism. :)
Quote from: LaCroix on August 22, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
he once made an argument against agnosticism so convincing it helped switch me over to atheism. :)
:mellow:
:D
Quote from: LaCroix on August 22, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
:hmm:
grumbler is often right. he once made an argument against agnosticism so convincing it helped switch me over to atheism. :)
He used a jedi mind trick. It works on suggestible people.
Quote from: grumbler on August 22, 2014, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 08:55:39 AM
My point was that we are making fun of Africans with their voodoo doctors and shamans, but in the West we have our own share of lunatics. Or are you saying that homeopathy is not a Western phenomenon?
I don't see how any "Western lunatics" are part of "the rational and scientific West." If they are considered lunatics, they probably aren't part of Western rationality or science. Your argument seems to be 100% pure rhetorical bullshit.
Martinus' meaning was quite clear to me. The "rational and scientific" adjectives applied to the west were alluding to the stereotype that western democratic societies are rational and scientific while places such as Africa are irrational and superstitious. In a tongue in cheek way, Martinus was pointing out that our societies have irrational and superstitious elements as well. The post was probably primarily motivated to share a ridiculous story he read.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 22, 2014, 11:56:43 PM
Quote from: grumbler on August 22, 2014, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2014, 08:55:39 AM
My point was that we are making fun of Africans with their voodoo doctors and shamans, but in the West we have our own share of lunatics. Or are you saying that homeopathy is not a Western phenomenon?
I don't see how any "Western lunatics" are part of "the rational and scientific West." If they are considered lunatics, they probably aren't part of Western rationality or science. Your argument seems to be 100% pure rhetorical bullshit.
Martinus' meaning was quite clear to me. The "rational and scientific" adjectives applied to the west were alluding to the stereotype that western democratic societies are rational and scientific while places such as Africa are irrational and superstitious. In a tongue in cheek way, Martinus was pointing out that our societies have irrational and superstitious elements as well. The post was probably primarily motivated to share a ridiculous story he read.
Why am I not surprised that you found "meaning" in what you concede was a troll? :lol:
It wasn't a troll. It was a sarcastic post but it was not meant to create a negative reaction in the reader - mainly on the account that an average Languish reader would be smart enough to interpret it the way alfred russell did.
The fact that only you, grumbler, thought otherwise, proves that my judgement was correct.
Quote from: grumbler on August 23, 2014, 10:47:12 AM
Why am I not surprised that you found "meaning" in what you concede was a troll? :lol:
I do know a thing or two about trolling. What martinus posted was not trolling. What you are doing is trolling.
Quote from: Martinus on August 23, 2014, 11:41:24 AM
It wasn't a troll. It was a sarcastic post but it was not meant to create a negative reaction in the reader - mainly on the account that an average Languish reader would be smart enough to interpret it the way alfred russell did.
The fact that only you, grumbler, thought otherwise, proves that my judgement was correct.
So you are saying that it wasn't a troll, but rather a way of making the point (according to AR) that "our societies have irrational and superstitious elements as well?" That's an incredibly inane "point" to make. Next, I suppose, you will be expound on the humanitarian instincts of Pol Pot to make the point (which only AR will get) that gravity acts on humans!
Looks like famine will follow, causing further breakdown of society, followed by further outbreaks of violence and disease.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/08/22/342480343/a-food-crisis-follows-africas-ebola-crisis
These graphs aren't exactly reassuring.
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There's a correlation between cases and death? How strange...
Quote from: viper37 on August 23, 2014, 11:49:48 PM
There's a correlation between cases and death? How strange...
:lol:
The first graph also shows a very strange trend that, when something is happening over time, then cumulatively the more days pass, the more of that thing will have happened...
:rolleyes:
The slope of the graph in July-August is vastly higher than it was in April to May.
Quote from: garbon on August 22, 2014, 10:23:38 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on August 22, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
he once made an argument against agnosticism so convincing it helped switch me over to atheism. :)
:mellow:
Yeah, that's sad.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 24, 2014, 06:17:45 AM
:rolleyes:
The slope of the graph in July-August is vastly higher than it was in April to May.
raciss
Anyone with 8 brain cells knows more Africans are dying of Ebola than there were 6 months ago. I have no idea what these graphs are supposed to add to the conversation.
Quote from: viper37 on August 23, 2014, 11:49:48 PM
There's a correlation between cases and death? How strange...
Probably just spotty reporting from African health departments.
Quote from: Liep on August 24, 2014, 10:19:16 AM
Quote from: viper37 on August 23, 2014, 11:49:48 PM
There's a correlation between cases and death? How strange...
Probably just spotty reporting from African health departments.
:o
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2014, 06:24:26 AMYeah, that's sad.
i don't get it. people change their minds all the time! i didn't say it was the sole reason. :P
@tim's graphs: why the hate? they're images showing the trend of reported cases. :hmm:
I not entirely convinced about the practice of flying infected Westerners back to their home countries.
I get the reason for the two Americans was different, as they were going to use the experimental drug on them. But now the British are flying back an infected national and somehow the isolation preparations don't look quite so thorough as the Americans used.
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It is after all just one person, why run the risk when they can be treated 'in isolation', that is within the country where they caught Ebola.
Quote from: LaCroix on August 24, 2014, 03:43:40 PM
@tim's graphs: why the hate? they're images showing the trend of reported cases. :hmm:
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Quote from: mongers on August 24, 2014, 03:49:11 PM
I not entirely convinced about the practice of flying infected Westerners back to their home countries.
I get the reason for the two Americans was different, as they were going to use the experimental drug on them. But now the British are flying back an infected national and somehow the isolation preparations don't look quite so thorough as the Americans used.
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It is after all just one person, why run the risk when they can be treated 'in isolation', that is within the country where they caught Ebola.
(1) ebola is not very contagious. look at the reported cases. it's only a few thousand. i know the unreported cases are larger, but this isn't spreading like some hollywood film or the spanish influenza.
(2) nations are expected to protect and assist its citizens. this is a british citizen, and he can receive better help from british facilities. i was ashamed by the comments from americans condemning the treatment of american citizens infected by ebola.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2014, 03:52:10 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on August 24, 2014, 03:43:40 PM
@tim's graphs: why the hate? they're images showing the trend of reported cases. :hmm:
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Who's bitching? :huh:
Quote from: mongers on August 24, 2014, 03:49:11 PM
I not entirely convinced about the practice of flying infected Westerners back to their home countries.
Stop being silly.
QuoteIt is after all just one person, why run the risk when they can be treated 'in isolation', that is within the country where they caught Ebola.
Isolation there is not the same as isolation here. Just like drinking water there is not the same as drinking water here.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2014, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 24, 2014, 03:49:11 PM
I not entirely convinced about the practice of flying infected Westerners back to their home countries.
Stop being silly.
QuoteIt is after all just one person, why run the risk when they can be treated 'in isolation', that is within the country where they caught Ebola.
Isolation there is not the same as isolation here. Just like drinking water there is not the same as drinking water here.
As in isolation from us in the home country.
I know it's hard-head, this guy must be a great person for treating the ill over there, but what if one day ebola mutates significantly in one of the Westerners brought back?
My comment may be coloured by having spent the best part of a month now visiting a hospital, day in day out, and you really don't want to know the truth,... there are some really disgusting individual here in Britain, people who don't wash their hands after using the toilet in a hospital, don't bother with the hand-alcohols at all etc.
So trust me if a serious pandemic hits the UK, we're fucked because of the appalling personal hygiene some/many Brits inflict on others.
Have faith in western values systems like proper biosafety containment practices. And yes, you're being hard-headed.
QuoteSo trust me if a serious pandemic hits the UK, we're fucked because of the appalling personal hygiene some/many Brits inflict on others.
You shit on the side of the road.
New, unrelated outbreak in the Congo! Given the lack of resources the WHO has, and the focus of what resources they have in W. Africa, I don't see how this outbreak can be contained.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/new-outbreak-two-people-die-ebola-congo-n187921
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2014, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 24, 2014, 03:49:11 PM
I not entirely convinced about the practice of flying infected Westerners back to their home countries.
Stop being silly.
QuoteIt is after all just one person, why run the risk when they can be treated 'in isolation', that is within the country where they caught Ebola.
Isolation there is not the same as isolation here. Just like drinking water there is not the same as drinking water here.
The labs in Georgia are amongst the most secure in the world better then Fort Detrick. I think the only other place is Porton Down in the UK. We are safer from Ebola patients there then we are in Africa.
They are as secure as Fort Dietrick, as they are both BSL-4 facilities.
You get accidentally exposed to a pathogen in a BSL-4 environment, you don't leave the facility, everything is self-contained.
Heartbreaking, so many more people are going to get sick and die.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/25/health/ebola-contact-tracing/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/25/health/ebola-contact-tracing/)
QuoteEbola contacts in Africa go missing
By Elizabeth Cohen, Senior Medical Correspondent
August 25, 2014 -- Updated 2151 GMT (0551 HKT)
(CNN) -- Earlier this summer, Kelsey Mirkovic, a disease detective with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, entered a hut with her team in Gueckedou, Guinea, to speak with a man who had Ebola.
Their mission: to get the names of everyone he'd had contact with while he was ill, so that they could stop those people from spreading the disease.
"Who lives with you here? Who has eaten off the same plate as you? Who has bathed you and taken care of you?" they asked him.
Just his wife, the man answered.
Mirkovic and her team knew that wasn't true.
They knew he had children, and they knew that in West Africa, families and even neighbors eat off the same plate and bathe and care for sick people. They explained to the man how important it was to stop Ebola, and that his friends and family would be treated with respect.
Their pleas didn't work.
Mirkovic saw this scene play out over and over again. One of her colleagues at the CDC who's worked in Liberia says preliminary data shows they could be missing 40 to 60% of the contacts of known Ebola patients.
"This is one of the hardest parts of the response," said Dr. Brett Petersen, a medical officer with the CDC.
Mirkovic agrees. She says she understands why Ebola patients don't want to name names: There was a rumor going around the communities she worked in that getting on a contact list meant you would die -- and the deaths would happen in the same order as they appeared on the list.
"I understand they're scared," she said. "But it's very frustrating."
The Ebola outbreak in the West African nations of Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Nigeria has killed nearly 1,500 people. Just one contact left un-traced could go on to start a whole new line of Ebola transmission.
"It's like fighting a forest fire. If you leave behind even one burning ember, one case undetected, it could reignite the epidemic," Dr. Thomas Frieden, the director of the CDC, told reporters at a press conference earlier this summer.
"Contact tracing is a formidable challenge," said Dr. Margaret Chan, director-general of the World Health Organization. "In some areas, chains of transmission have moved underground. They are invisible. They are not being reported."
There's no solid number of how many contacts have gone missing. Petersen said the CDC arrived at the 40 to 60% number because in some communities, each sick person has only listed an average of two contacts -- and households commonly have five or six people.
Mirkovic, an officer with the CDC's epidemic intelligence service, said when she and her team felt patients weren't being honest, they would try to get information from neighbors or community leaders.
Sometimes that helped, and sometimes it didn't.
"Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do," she said. "We can't force them" to give contacts.
The World Health Organization estimates that 10% of contacts will go on to develop symptoms of Ebola. Occasionally, some of these Ebola cases go missing as well.
"Many families hide infected loved ones in their homes," according to a WHO press release issued Friday.
Mirkovic, who left Guinea in the end of July, said she felt that the situation might improve as health care workers gain more trust in the community.
But there's another problem with that: the availability of workers to follow up with contacts.
For example, in Sierra Leone, there are 2,000 contacts that need following, but the group Doctors without Borders says they've only been able to follow up with about 200 of them.
The group's teams in Sierra Leone and Liberia are "stretched to the breaking point" as the epidemic is "spiraling out of control," the group wrote in a press release.
Liberia has fallen :( :( :(
http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/08/26/343436300/cdc-director-on-ebola-we-are-definitely-not-at-the-peak
QuoteOn Monday, Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the , arrived in Liberia to assess the Ebola outbreak. The situation "is overwhelming," he said.
The outbreak "really is a crisis and is affecting most if not all the counties in Liberia already," he told NPR from Monrovia, the capital city and first stop on a three-country visit. "This is absolutely unprecedented."
The CDC, Frieden said, "is working flat out on this, but this is huge and needs a global response. ... They need a lot of help from the world."
He emphasized that the toll is "far larger than has been recorded, not because they are trying to hide anything but because they are really overwhelmed by these numbers." Beyond this, he said, the cases "are increasing at an extremely quick rate, and this is very alarming."
As bad as the Ebola situation is, Frieden warned that the worst is yet to come. "Unfortunately, we are definitely not at the peak. It's going to get worse before it gets better," he said. "The real question is how much worse will it get? How many more people will be infected and how much more risk to the world will there be?"
...
http://www.msf.org.uk/article/liberia-msfs-new-ebola-centres-already-overwhelmed
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Liberia: MSF's new Ebola centres already overwhelmed
Brice de le VingneMSF Director of Operations
27.08.2014
Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders (MSF) is rapidly scaling up its operations in Liberia as the international response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa continues to be chaotic and entirely inadequate.
In its first week, MSF's newest Ebola management centre – also known as ELWA3 – in the capital Monrovia, is already at capacity with 120 patients, and a further expansion is underway.
Meanwhile, in the north of the country, patients continue to flow into the newly rehabilitated Ebola management centre in Foya.
Serious lack of international leadership and coordination
"It is simply unacceptable that, five months after the declaration of this Ebola outbreak, serious discussions are only starting now about international leadership and coordination ," says Brice de le Vingne, MSF Director of Operations.
"Self-protection is occupying the entire focus of states that have the expertise and resources to make a dramatic difference in the affected countries. They can do more, so why don't they?"
The outbreak is spreading rapidly in Monrovia, overwhelming the few medical facilities accepting Ebola patients.
Emergency within the emergency
Much of the city's medical system has shut down over fears of the virus among staff members and patients, leaving many people with no healthcare at all, generating an emergency within the emergency.
"In the aftermath of an earthquake it would be unthinkable that there are so few places where women can safely deliver their babies, or where people can be treated for life-threatening conditions," says Lindis Hurum, MSF emergency coordinator in Monrovia.
"This is not only an Ebola outbreak – it is a humanitarian emergency, and it needs a full-scale humanitarian response."
The number of people seeking care at the newly constructed 120-bed centre in Monrovia, which opened on 17th August, is growing faster than the team can handle, both in terms of the number of beds and the capacity of the staff.
Patients are coming from nearly every district of the city. The staff are struggling to screen new arrivals, care for admitted patients, safely remove dead bodies and transport them to the crematorium...
http://nos.nl/artikel/691669-ebolapatienten-weggestuurd.html (http://nos.nl/artikel/691669-ebolapatienten-weggestuurd.html)
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"Ebola patients sent away"
Wednesday Aug 27 2014
"We have staff at the gate who do nothing but turn away people. This is not easy, because we don't know where they could go," said Karline Kleijer from MSF.
In West Africa, the Ebola epidemic is still spreading rapidly. To help patients MSF opened an emergency clinic last week in the Liberian capital Monrovia. After four days the clinic was full.
Currently there are about 200 patients in the clinic. According Kleijer that could have been more than 600 already if they had opened the doors. That can not be, because so many people infected with Ebola would be a danger to the employees of MSF.
Not administered
Because there are not enough emergency clinics and regular healthcare is not functioning most Ebola patients can not be administered. Therefore, the clinic expanded by another dozen beds. But even that is not enough. "We know that there are thousands of patients are walking in the street, infecting other people," says Kleijer.
According to her, there are not enough resources to detect the contacts of the patients. Thereforepeople who are also infected can not be identified . " The houses of patients must be decontaminated. It will not happen."
emotional
The work of the rescuers is heavy. It is very hot in the suits that they need and there is always the risk of getting infected with the virus.
Emotionally it is difficult, says Kleijer. "One of the worst moments is when people die when they arrive here. Often with family and then you get their grief too."
"But what I find the weirdest is that I talk with patients that I know they are dead a few days later."
Uncontained outbreak in Nigeria! :(
http://saharareporters.com/2014/08/27/breaking-nigeria-records-new-ebola-death-port-harcourt#.U_5X64hNibA.twitter
QuoteBreaking: Nigeria Records New Ebola Death In Port Harcourt
The diplomat, who was part of the team who met with Patrick Sawyer in Lagos, flew to Port Harcourt, Rivers State for treatment, evading surveillance for the disease.
by Sahara Reporters Aug 27, 2014
A doctor, who secretly treated a diplomat who had contact with the index case, Liberian-American Patrick Sawyer, has died of Ebola in Nigeria.
The doctor, who has yet to be named, died on Friday. His wife has also taken ill and has been quarantined in Port Harcourt. Interestingly, the diplomat the doctor treated is still alive.
The diplomat, who was part of the team who met with Patrick Sawyer in Lagos, flew to Port Harcourt, Rivers State for treatment, evading Nigerian federal government surveillance for the disease. The late doctor then took him to a hotel for treatment.
As a result of this, 70 people have been quarantined. The doctor's hospital, Good Heart Hospital in Rivers State, has been shut down. The unnamed hotel, where the secret treatment took place, has also been shut down.
The Minister of Health and the Rivers State government are expected to make a statement on the incident tomorrow.
Dogs are eating the dead in Liberia, and likely elsewhere. They can carry the virus, so that's another vector of transmission.
http://thenewdawnliberia.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12468:dogs-feed-on-ebola-victims&catid=25:politics&Itemid=59
QuoteThe residents of the Mount Barclay Community within the Johnsonville Township, outside of Monrovia woke up on last Friday morning in total dismay when the remains of dead Ebola victims were reportedly seen, eaten by dogs, something reminiscent of the brutal civil war here, when dogs ate dead bodies on the streets.
The Liberian Government, through the Ministry of Health and Social Welfare, buried some unaccounted-for corpses, suspected to have died from the Ebola Virus in that township few weeks ago.
The burial was done in a hurry at night following a standoff in the day between residence and the Ministry of Health burial team. The former had refused to grant the authority a piece of land to carry out the burial. The dogs, in their numbers, were seen pulling the bodies out of the shadowed grave and hastily eating them.
A resident, who spoke to the NewDawn, said that the action of the dogs has posed a serious health hazard to the entire Mount Barclay Community. Mr. Alfred Wiah noted that the dogs could easily spread the virus through further interactions with community dwellers.
According to Mr. Wiah, upon discovery of the dogs' behavior, some young men immediately contacted the Health Ministry, but to no avail. The young men also attempted to kill all of the dogs, but some escaped the scene, making the terrain very scaring for the residents.
He then expressed his disappointment in the manner and form the Liberian Government has treated the township. "We are very disappointed in the Health Ministry, especially the government that took an oath to defend and protect us; to see them act in such manner is unacceptable and we'll never allow the government come to bury any longer. They will be resisted by us because I think the government has failed to protect us- why bring Ebola bodies and mot bury them well,"? He explained in this paper.
According to him, some residents were deciding to leave the township in order to save their respective families, noting that since the incident occurred last Friday, the government has failed to clean the "mess" by reburying the dead properly. When the Commissioner of the Johnsonville Township, Mr. Melvin Bettie, was contacted yesterday, he confirmed the information, but added that his leadership was working with the community leadership to find a solution to the situation.
"I received the information already through the community chairman and I've sent a delegation there to see how we can revise the situation because it is embarrassing and it poses serious hazard to the community's dwellers," he said.
The internet never disappoints. Or always disappoints.
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Sounds like the ebolalypse is upon us then.....
Imagine Tim giving updates on the Black Death back in the day.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 28, 2014, 08:57:45 AM
Imagine Tim giving updates on the Black Death back in the day.
imagine Tim getting the Black Death.
:w00t:
Sounds like the WHO is still in denial. There are 3,000 known cases and they admit the true number is 2 to 4 times that and they say that it "may" end up infecting 20,000 people. If 6-12,000 people already have it then the case number is going to hit 20,000 in the next three to four weeks guaranteed.
http://news.yahoo.com/says-ebola-outbreak-could-strike-20-000-people-102050086.html
The WHO?
It's not denial when they can't get reliable data points on an outbreak in stone age conditions, Dr. Twathead.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 28, 2014, 08:57:45 AM
Imagine Tim giving updates on the Black Death back in the day.
it would have been nice. We could have laughed at europeans and their silly, non pragmatic customs.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/28/ebola-vaccine-trial/14716833/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/28/ebola-vaccine-trial/14716833/)
QuoteU.S. officials announce Ebola vaccine trial launch
Liz Szabo, USA TODAY 11:32 a.m. EDT August 28, 2014
The USA plans to begin testing an experimental Ebola vaccine next month, but even in the best case, it won't become available until next year.
U.S. health officials announced that the first human trial of an experimental Ebola vaccine will start next week, and that trials of other vaccines will follow close on its heels.
The vaccine trial will involve 20 healthy volunteers at the campus of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md., with results expected by the end of the year, said Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.
Although NIH has been developing the vaccine for more than a decade, the public health emergency in West Africa has pushed both the NIH and the Food and Drug Administration to accelerate its development, said NIH director Francis Collins, who said the agencies have taken "extraordinary measures" to launch the study as quickly as possible.
"This is a public health emergency that demands an all-hands-on-deck response," Fauci said.
USATODAY
Ebola outbreak could strike 20,000, WHO says
Fauci called the Ebola epidemic, which has killed half of the 3,000 people infected, an "uncontrolled outbreak" that needs to be contained using traditional methods, such as diagnosing cases, isolating those individuals to prevent them from infecting others, tracing their contacts and testing those people for the disease, as well.
Fauci has previously said that even an experimental vaccine would not be available until the middle of next year. The World Health Organization announced Thursday that it could take six to nine months to contain the current outbreak in Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Nigeria, and that the outbreak could grow to 20,000 cases.
In a significant announcement, Fauci said that drug giant GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) will co-develop the vaccine. That will make it much easier to "scale up" production of large quantities of the vaccine, if it proves effective, Fauci said. He noted that it has been difficult to produce enough doses of an experimental medication, called ZMapp, which is being developed by a small San Diego biotech company. That company has said that it has given away all of its doses and has none left.
Fauci stressed that the phase 1 study — the earliest of all human tests — is aimed at answering two very basic questions about the vaccine. Is the vaccine safe? Does it provoke the immune system to respond to Ebola? Scientists will be able to gauge the vaccine's prospects for preventing infection by measuring whether a volunteer's immune system mounts a strong response to the Ebola genes in the vaccine.
The vaccine will use a monkey cold virus as a "vector" to deliver Ebola genes to the body. Cold viruses are notoriously good at infecting the body, so they make good delivery vehicles. The viruses act only like delivery trucks, and cannot cause harm. The Ebola genes carried in those viruses can't cause someone to become sick with Ebola, Fauci said. But the genes would direct volunteers' bodies to create one Ebola protein. If the body recognizes that protein as foreign and dangerous, the immune system should create antibodies against it. Those antibodies would protect against a real infection, if the person were to be exposed to Ebola.
The vaccine is designed to protect against two strains of Ebola virus, known as the Zaire and Sudan species. The current outbreak in West Africa is caused by the Zaire strain.
Based on early results, scientists will be able to assess whether to go ahead with larger studies. The vaccine already has performed well in tests in animals, protecting them against Ebola infections.
Volunteers will be evaluated by NIH staff nine times over 48 weeks, Fauci says. To ensure safety of the volunteers — all healthy adults — scientists will give the vaccine to just three people at a time, pausing the trial to check for safety before vaccinating additional volunteers. Safety is "paramount" when testing an experimental drug against healthy people who are not sick or in danger.
Another U.S.-based vaccine study, also using 20 volunteers, will test a vaccine that protects against just the Zaire strain of the virus. That trial also will be conducted at NIH and is set to begin in October, Fauci said.
That vaccine also will be tested in the United Kingdom and the African countries of Mali and Gambia, Fauci said.
NIH scientists also are working with the Department of Defense on an early-stage trial of a third Ebola vaccine, developed by the Public Health Agency of Canada and licensed to NewLink Genetics. That trial will begin this fall at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.
In addition, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has begun talks with the Nigeria's ministry of health to conduct vaccine tests there, Fauci said. The CDC has not yet announced which vaccine it will test in Nigeria.
"We will share data from our studies as quickly as they become available," Fauci said.
The USA has been working on an Ebola vaccine partly to protect against a bioterrorist attack.
The experimental vaccine set to be tested next month was designed by scientist Nancy Sullivan, chief of the biodefense research section in the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease's Vaccine Research Center. She worked with researchers at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, and Okairos, a Swiss-Italian biotechnology company bought by GSK last year.
Ugh, this quarantine is just going to accelerate the spread of that disease within the slum and to rest of Monrovia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/world/africa/in-liberias-capital-an-ebola-outbreak-like-no-other.html?_r=0
QuoteAs Ebola Grips Liberia's Capital, a Quarantine Sows Social Chaos
By NORIMITSU ONISHIAUG. 28, 2014
MONROVIA, Liberia — Some people are swimming in and out of the Ebola quarantine zone in this seaside capital. One man slips out every day to reach his job at a Western embassy. Another has turned his living room into a tollbooth, charging others to escape through his apartment at the edge of the cordoned area. Countless others have used a different method: bribing their way out with fees that soldiers determine according to a person's appearance, circumstances and even gender.
Christian Verre, a 26-year-old clothing salesman, sneaked out through an abandoned building with his girlfriend, Alice Washington, 21, and eight friends. "Go back! Go back!" soldiers and police officers yelled, he recalled, but the conversation quickly took on a different turn: "What do you got?"
Those carrying goods handed over more than $8, Mr. Verre said. Traveling light, he was charged $4.25 for his girlfriend and about $6 for himself, "because I'm a man." The couple now share a shack a few blocks outside West Point, the vast, sprawling slum that was placed under an Ebola quarantine last week.
"I didn't want to stay in West Point for 21 days," he said, referring to Ebola's maximum incubation period. "I wouldn't die of Ebola but of hunger."
The five-month outbreak here in West Africa, already worse than all other Ebola epidemics combined, is for the first time spreading uncontrollably in a major city — one in which a third of Liberia's 4.5 million people is estimated to rub shoulders, often uneasily. Though Ebola reached Monrovia three months after its appearance in the rural north, the city has become, in a few short weeks, a major focal point of the epidemic.
The outbreak has overwhelmed the government of President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, who has won the Nobel Peace Prize and the admiration of leaders around the world. But her management of Liberia has long drawn criticism at home, and now her handling of the Ebola epidemic has presented her with a political crisis that is galvanizing her opposition.
"We suffering! No food, Ma, no eat. We beg you, Ma!" one man yelled at Ms. Johnson Sirleaf as she visited West Point this week, surrounded by concentric circles of heavily armed guards, some linking arms and wearing surgical gloves.
"We want to go out!" yet another pleaded. "We want to be free, Mama, please."
International Ebola experts and her own health officials advised against imposing the quarantine in West Point, worried that it would antagonize a population whose cooperation the government desperately needs to stop the epidemic. But Ms. Johnson Sirleaf sided with the army, which was the strongest proponent of the quarantine and took the lead in enforcing it, especially in the first two days.
"Putting the police and the army in charge of the quarantine was the worst thing you could do," said Dr. Jean-Jacques Muyembe, a Congolese doctor who helped identify the Ebola virus in the 1970s, battled many outbreaks in Central Africa and has been visiting Monrovia to advise the government. "You must make the people inside the quarantine zone feel that they are being helped, not oppressed."
Isolating communities has succeeded in some rural areas in past outbreaks in Central Africa. But the quarantine of an entire urban neighborhood, where an estimated 60,000 to 120,000 people are crammed into crumbling shacks, has proved to be more than just porous. It has also led to deadly clashes with soldiers and may even be helping spread the disease, experts say, forcing people to crowd together for basic humanitarian aid, like food relief.
Cordoned off from the city, young men in West Point squeeze together in dense lines for rice and water, pushing and shoving, sweat mixing, saliva flying, blood sometimes spilling. One morning, a man in a wheelchair trying to cut to the front was beaten, stripped and left sprawled in the middle of the road, urinating over himself.
"The quarantine is going to worsen the spread of Ebola," said Dr. Muyembe, the director of the National Institute for Biomedical Research in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo. "It's difficult to understand the motivation behind it. It's simply not a good strategy."
Lewis Brown, the Liberian minister of information, said the president made the decision based on both health and security concerns. Though Ebola has been spreading throughout other parts of the city, he said, the government singled out West Point because of its dense population and its potential for political instability, as shown when residents recently stormed an Ebola holding center that they did not want in the neighborhood.
"We're not saying that Ebola is any more present in West Point than other places in the country — that's not the argument we're making," Mr. Brown said. "But the potential is in the size of the area and the interaction with the city itself."
He added: "We're not claiming to be experts on Ebola. We've never had to deal with this kind of thing, but we've always had to deal with our people. We understand our people more than we understand this disease."
Ms. Johnson Sirleaf has made no public statement since the start of the quarantine and the fatal shooting of a 15-year-old West Point boy, Shakie Kamara, who was caught in a battle between soldiers and men trying to break out of the quarantine zone.
During her visit to West Point, she apologized to his family and looked at those calling for help with sympathy in her eyes, saying little. Walking several feet behind her, a man in a checkered shirt pulled out Liberian dollar bills from a backpack with his gloved hand and tossed the money to the loudest protesters. The money silenced their criticism but immediately set off fistfights.
A Toyota Land Cruiser took the president out of West Point. Her guards and entourage followed on foot, tossing their used gloves on the ground on their way out.
An Explosive Outbreak
No one knows yet why Ebola has succeeded in spreading at such an alarming rate here in the capital. Ebola has reached the capital cities of Freetown, Sierra Leone, and Conakry, Guinea — the two other West African nations most affected by the current outbreak — but the disease has been more effectively contained in those cities.
The first cases in Monrovia were reported only in June. Infections have multiplied quickly here in recent weeks, illustrating the speed with which Ebola can spread in a major urban area. The county containing Monrovia quickly registered the nation's biggest death toll — now 274 deaths out of a national total of 754, according to the Ministry of Health.
"The Conakry outbreaks have been very small, and they haven't exploded in Freetown," said Dr. Armand Sprecher, an Ebola expert for Doctors Without Borders here. "So something is different in Monrovia. It's something in the disease transmission behaviors in Monrovia that has done this. That's my guess. We've never seen this kind of explosion in an urban environment before."
Others point to a political system long dominated by an elite out of touch with the population and more focused on jockeying for power. Politicians, including members of the president's own party, publicly expressed doubts about the extent of the outbreak and even accused her administration of exaggerating it to collect money from international donors.
Among Liberians, still grappling with the consequences of a 14-year civil war that ended in 2003, distrust of the government runs deepest in Monrovia's poorest neighborhoods. Despite billboards and posters throughout the city declaring that "Ebola is Real," many Liberians believe it is not.
Dr. Moses Massaquoi, who has been heading Ebola case management for Liberia's health ministry during the crisis, said that high-level political denials delayed the expansion of a treatment center just as cases mushroomed last month.
"Unfortunately, Ebola is not waiting for politics," he said. "That was a missed window of opportunity."
As the situation worsened in the capital in mid-August, the government established the city's first Ebola holding center in West Point, Monrovia's biggest slum and political opposition stronghold. Locals ransacked and closed down the center within days.
On Aug. 20, under the president's orders, the army and police placed West Point under quarantine — the first time, some experts say, that a quarantine was attempted on such a scale. West Point reacted with fury: hundreds of young men tried to storm through the barricades. As soldiers fired live rounds to drive them back, the 15-year-old boy, Shakie, was killed. Only heavy rain starting around noon put a stop to the riots.
In rural areas, quarantining communities can work if they are small enough and unified under political or traditional leadership, experts say.
"What is important is for the people to participate in the process; otherwise it becomes too difficult to implement effectively," said Dr. Nestor Ndayimirije, the World Health Organization's director for Liberia.
A week into the quarantine of West Point, life has been getting harder for those without the means or connections to get out. The price of goods that find their way into the quarantine zone — rice, water, coal, prepaid cellphone cards, soap — has doubled.
"People are fighting for food to eat," said Victor Nwanodu, who owns one of West Point's most popular public toilets and baths. Business has dropped, he said, as people can no longer afford to pay for a hot bath.
Serena Wallo, 31, was one of a few dozen people whose houses were washed away this week along West Point's heavily eroded shoreline. Unable to leave the quarantine zone, her family now has to stay with friends in the area, in the kind of overcrowded conditions where Ebola thrives.
"I'm not happy with the government," Ms. Wallo said. "They are treating us like we are slaves."
A Political Backlash
Like her counterparts in Sierra Leone and Guinea, Ms. Johnson Sirleaf was dealing with Ebola for the first time. She decided to do so with a firm hand by deploying the army — an institution that remains troubled despite being rebuilt after the civil war with American training and hundreds of millions of dollars in American assistance.
Mr. Brown, the information minister, said that it was necessary for the army to take the lead in the first couple of days of the quarantine. "If the military had not backed up the police the way they did, probably not only West Point would have been overrun, but the city center would have also been overrun," he said.
But the president's handling of the crisis is drawing new political challenges and leading to defections. Political parties and newspapers are calling for her resignation. This week, Ms. Johnson Sirleaf announced she had fired high-ranking government officials who refused to return to Liberia because of the Ebola outbreak. Though she inspired great hope among Liberians when she was first elected in 2005, becoming the first woman elected head of state in Africa, the crisis has fueled longstanding criticism that her reputation abroad was inflated by foreigners with little knowledge of the conditions in Liberia.
"This Ebola thing now has basically laid the thing out like this: the system is bad and the emperor has no clothes," said Samuel P. Jackson, who served as an economic adviser to the president until the end of July but is now backing, Benoni Urey, a businessman believed to be Liberia's richest man and a candidate in the next presidential election.
Mr. Urey, who for months has been criticizing the government's handling of the outbreak, said Ms. Johnson Sirleaf "must take the ultimate blame for everything." One of the greatest sources of public anger, he pointed out, has been the government's inability to pick up the bodies of the Ebola dead, which have often been left in people's houses or even dumped on public streets.
"Come on!" Mr. Urey said, calling it an example of the government's incompetence.
Jerolinmek Piah, the president's press secretary, said that Ms. Johnson Sirleaf was no longer giving interviews.
In a very brief exchange, Ms. Johnson Sirleaf said of the quarantine in West Point, "We are trying to make it go well."
Little the Hospital Could Do
Shakie Kamara, the 15-year-old boy who was killed in the clashes in West Point, was raised by his aunt. His mother died when he was a toddler, and his father a couple of years later.
On the morning of his own death, Shakie had gone to buy tea and bread for his aunt at a shop near the entrance to West Point, but apparently got caught between a crowd of rock-throwing men and soldiers firing live rounds.
"No pa, no ma," he said, pleading for help as he lay on the ground with wounds to both legs.
The defense ministry said the wounds were caused by barbed wire. But Dr. Mohammed Sankoh, the medical director of Redemption Hospital, where Shakie died, and two other hospital staff members said that the boy died after suffering deep bullet wounds. There was little that the hospital, where a doctor and several nurses had died recently of Ebola, could do, hospital workers said.
"There was no material in the emergency room," said Dr. Alphonso Gray. "The theater was not operating."
While visiting West Point, the president promised Shakie's family an investigation into his death.
Shakie's older brother, Lusine Kamara, 27, said he told the president he wanted nothing — just Shakie's body for a proper funeral. Shakie's aunt, Eva Nah, left the door open.
"She told me that after everything, she will get back to me," Ms. Nah said.
A couple of hours later, the military released Shakie's body to his family, and he was buried at Monrovia's Muslim cemetery.
Clair MacDougall contributed reporting.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Ugh, this quarantine is just going to accelerate the spread of that disease within the slum and to rest of Moravia.
Czech your spelling, please. ;)
Heydrich is loose!
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 28, 2014, 07:44:25 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Ugh, this quarantine is just going to accelerate the spread of that disease within the slum and to rest of Moravia.
Czech your spelling, please. ;)
Whoops! :D
Terribly sad in depth story about the state of health care in Freetown. :(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/it-was-already-the-worst-ebola-outbreak-in-history-now-its-moving-into-africas-cities/2014/08/30/31816ff2-2ed6-11e4-bb9b-997ae96fad33_story.html
Quote from: viper37 on August 28, 2014, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 28, 2014, 08:57:45 AM
Imagine Tim giving updates on the Black Death back in the day.
it would have been nice. We could have laughed at europeans and their silly, non pragmatic customs.
People sort of do that anyway, like perpetuating the myth that the Europeans went out and slaughtered all the cats thus making it worse.
Mongers is a prophet! :weep:
http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/08/disease-modelers-project-rapidly-rising-toll-ebola
Quote
Disease modelers project a rapidly rising toll from Ebola
Kai is a contributing correspondent for Science magazine based in Berlin, Germany.
By Kai Kupferschmidt 31 August 2014 10:00 am
Alessandro Vespignani hopes that his latest work will turn out to be wrong. In July, the physicist from Northeastern University in Boston started modeling how the deadly Ebola virus may spread in West Africa. Extrapolating existing trends, the number of the sick and dying mounts rapidly from the current toll—more than 3000 cases and 1500 deaths—to around 10,000 cases by September 24, and hundreds of thousands in the months after that. "The numbers are really scary," he says—although he stresses that the model assumes control efforts aren't stepped up. "We all hope to see this NOT happening," Vespigani writes in an e-mail.
Vespignani is not the only one trying to predict how the unprecedented outbreak will progress. Last week, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated that the number of cases could ultimately exceed 20,000. And scientists across the world are scrambling to create computer models that accurately describe the spread of the deadly virus. Not all of them look quite as bleak as Vespignani's. But the modelers all agree that current efforts to control the epidemic are not enough to stop the deadly pathogen in its tracks.
Computer models "are incredibly helpful" in curbing an outbreak, says infectious disease researcher Jeremy Farrar, who heads the Wellcome Trust research charity in London. They can help agencies such as WHO predict the medical supplies and personnel they will need—and can indicate which interventions will best stem the outbreak. Mathematical epidemiologist Christian Althaus of the University of Bern, who is also building Ebola models, says both WHO and Samaritan's Purse, a relief organization fighting Ebola, have contacted him to learn about his projections.
But the modelers are hampered by the paucity of data on the current outbreak and lack of knowledge about how Ebola spreads. Funerals of Ebola victims are known to spread the virus, for example—but how many people are infected that way is not known. "Before this we have never had that much Ebola, so the epidemiology was never well developed," says Ira Longini, a biostatistician at the University of Florida in Gainesville. "We are caught with our pants down."
To a mathematician, combating any outbreak is at its core a fight to reduce one number: Re, the pathogen's effective reproductive rate, the number of people that an infected person in turn infects on average. An Re above 1, and the disease spreads. Below 1, an outbreak will stall.
Outbreak models typically assume that there are four groups of people: those who are susceptible, those who have been infected but are not contagious yet, those who are sick and can transmit the virus, and those who have recovered. A model, in essence, describes the rates at which people move from one group to the next. From those, Re can be calculated.
If the disease keeps spreading as it has, most of the modelers Science talked to say WHO's estimate will turn out to be conservative. "If the epidemic in Liberia were to continue in this way until the 1st of December, the cumulative number of cases would exceed 100,000," predicts Althaus. Such long-term forecasts are error-prone, he acknowledges. But other modelers aren't much more encouraging. Caitlin Rivers of the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg expects roughly 1000 new cases in Liberia in the next 2 weeks and a similar number in Sierra Leone.
Vespignani has analyzed the likelihood that Ebola will spread to other countries. Using data on millions of air travelers and commuters, as well as mobility patterns based on data from censuses and mobile devices, he has built a model of the world, into which he can introduce Ebola and then run hundreds of thousands of simulations. In general, the chance of further spread beyond West Africa is small, Vespignani says, but the risk grows with the scale of the epidemic. Ghana, the United Kingdom, and the United States are among the countries most likely to have an introduced case, according to the model. (Senegal, which reported its first Ebola case last week, was in his top ten countries, too.)
The models are only as good as the data fed to them; up to three-quarters of Ebola cases may go unreported. The modelers are also assuming that key parameters, such as the virus's incubation time, are the same as in earlier outbreaks. "We might be missing the boat and we have no signal to indicate that," says Martin Meltzer of the U.S. Centers for Disease Prevention and Control in Atlanta.
The biggest uncertainty is how much doctors, nurses, and others can slow the virus. There are many ways of pushing down Re, Farrar says—washing hands, wearing masks, or quarantining people, for example. "But given the complexity of this outbreak and the limited resources, we need to find out what are the two or three things that will most help drive down infections," Farrar says, and that's where models can help. For instance, would following up on all the contacts of every case be more effective than following up on the much smaller number who had a certain type of contact with a case, such as sharing a room?
Rivers is evaluating interventions, such as increased use of protective equipment or campaigns to isolate infected people. In the most optimistic scenario, every contact of infected people is traced, and transmission in hospitals is reduced by 75%. Even that, while drastically reducing the number of Ebola deaths, did not push Re below one.
The challenge varies by country, Althaus says. "In Guinea and Sierra Leone, Re is close to 1 and the outbreak could be stopped if interventions improve a bit." In Liberia, Re has been near 1.5 the whole time. "That means work is only just beginning there." But Meltzer says there is no reason to believe the situation is any better in Sierra Leone. "We are not seeing any change in the rate of the accumulation of cases," he says.
As models get better at differentiating what is happening in places, Rivers says, "you might be able to put firelines around certain communities." But such measures are very controversial. When Liberia last week barricaded off West Point, a sprawling slum with probably more than 100,000 inhabitants, it drew a largely negative response. "Quarantines and curfews tend to instill fear and distrust towards the whole of the outbreak response including health structures," a representative for Doctors Without Borders told Science. Paul Seabright, a researcher at the Toulouse School of Economics in France who has studied such measures, says they are an incentive for people to keep it secret if they have had contact with a patient. Liberia's harsh actions are "the last thing this epidemic needs," he says.
People in West Africa will have to alter behaviors, Meltzer says. "We won't stop this outbreak solely by building hospitals. There will have to be a change in the way the community deals with the disease." Modeling that is easy enough, Vespignani says. "I can decrease the transmission at funerals by 40% easily in a model. That's one line of code. But in the field that is really hard."
It's nice that Timmy has a new hobby.
The four horseman ride together. :weep:
http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/242177/icode/
QuoteWest Africa: Ebola outbreak puts harvests at risk, sends food prices shooting up
Agriculture in affected countries under significant strain, says new FAO special alert
2 September 2014, Rome - Disruptions in food trade and marketing in the three West African countries most affected by Ebola have made food increasingly expensive and hard to come by, while labor shortages are putting the upcoming harvest season at serious risk, FAO warned today.
In Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, quarantine zones and restrictions on people's movement aimed at combating the spread of the virus, although necessary, have seriously curtailed the movement and marketing of food. This has lead to panic buying, food shortages and significant food price hikes on some commodities, especially in urban centers, according to a special alert issued today by FAO's Global Information and Early Warning System (GIEWS).
At the same time, the main harvest season for two key crops - rice and maize - is just weeks away. Labor shortages on farms due to movement restrictions and migration to other areas will seriously impact farm production, jeopardizing the food security of large numbers of people, the alert says.
Generally adequate rains during the 2014 cropping season had previously pointed to likely favorable harvests in the main Ebola-affected countries. But now food production - the areas most affected by the outbreak are among the most productive in Sierra Leone and Liberia - stands to be seriously scaled back.
Likewise, production of cash crops like palm oil, cocoa and rubber - on which the livelihoods and food purchasing power of many families depend - is expected to be seriously affected.
"Access to food has become a pressing concern for many people in the three affected countries and their neighbors," said Bukar Tijani, FAO Regional Representative for Africa. "With the main harvest now at risk and trade and movements of goods severely restricted, food insecurity is poised to intensify in the weeks and months to come. The situation will have long-lasting impacts on farmers' livelihoods and rural economies," he added.
Major spikes in food prices
Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone are all net cereal importers, with Liberia being the most reliant on external supplies. The closure of some border crossings and the isolation of border areas where the three countries intersect - as well as reduced trade from seaports, the main conduit for large-scale commercial imports - are resulting in tighter supplies and sharply increasing food prices.
In Monrovia, Liberia, a recently conducted rapid market assessment indicates that prices of some food items have increased rapidly - for example, in Monrovia's Redlight Market the price of cassava went up 150 percent within the first weeks of August.
"Even prior to the Ebola outbreak, households in some of the affected areas were spending up to 80 percent of their incomes on food," said Vincent Martin, Head of FAO's Dakar-based Resilience Hub, which is coordinating the agency's response. "Now these latest price spikes are effectively putting food completely out of their reach. This situation may have social repercussions that could lead to subsequent impact on the disease containment."
The depreciation of national currencies in Sierra Leone and Liberia in recent months is expected to exert further upward price pressure on imported food commodities.
Response efforts
To meet short-term food relief needs, the UN World Food Programme (WFP) has launched a regional emergency operation targeting some 65,000 tonnes of food to 1.3 million people.
At the same time, FAO's special alert says that "rapid assessments are required to identify the type of measures that are feasible to mitigate the impact of labour shortages during the harvesting period and for related post-harvest activities."
And measures to revive internal trade are essential to ease supply constraints and mitigate further food price increases, it notes.
Preventing further loss of human life and stopping the spread of the virus remain the top priorities at this time. FAO has joined the coordinated UN effort to support affected countries, is in daily communication with WHO and other key actors, and has personnel in West Africa aiding technical and logistical efforts.
It is critical that rural communities understand which practices pose the highest risks of human-to-human transmission as well as the potential spill-over from wildlife. Toward that end, FAO has activated its networks of local animal health clubs, community animal health workers, producer organizations, forestry contacts and agriculture extension and rural radio services to help UNICEF and WHO communicate risk to affected populations.
Still impressed by Languish's blase assurance that this epidemic won't be able to spread to the First World. :ph34r:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 02, 2014, 06:03:42 AM
Still impressed by Languish's blase assurance that this epidemic won't be able to spread to the First World. :ph34r:
I guess it could get traction if someone flew back unknowingly infected and perhaps worked in a food service industry of sorts. But that's only really viable if it had been a tourist area full with stupid people.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 02, 2014, 06:03:42 AM
Still impressed by Languish's blase assurance that this epidemic won't be able to spread to the First World. :ph34r:
There can be outbreaks of course, but they can't blow up into epidemics in first world countries unless the method of transmission mutates.
Nobody listened to Jeff Goldblum. :(
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 02, 2014, 07:06:03 AM
Nobody listened to Jeff Goldblum. :(
We should fear either an alien or dinosaur invasion?
Nature will always find a way to make you bleed out your ass.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2014, 07:55:16 AM
Nature will always find a way to make you bleed out your ass.
What you're thinking of is in fact against nature.
A dramatic video illustrating the problems faced by local people in Liberia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29039041 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29039041)
Quote from: mongers on September 02, 2014, 06:40:55 PM
A dramatic video illustrating the problems faced by local people in Liberia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29039041 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29039041)
Holy shit, what a crap place to live right now.
Quote from: Liep on September 02, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 02, 2014, 06:40:55 PM
A dramatic video illustrating the problems faced by local people in Liberia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29039041 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29039041)
Holy shit, what a crap place to live right now.
Yes, the local people were saying this is the 5th to escape, one guy said "Today makes it the fifth ebola patient coming outside vomiting and defecating." Scary situation.
3500 infected, 1900 dead :(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2014/09/03/who-ebola-death-toll-tops-1900-surpassing-all-previous-outbreaks-combined/
Nigeria may be in trouble.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/group-world-losing-battle-ebola-25220329
QuoteAbout 60 other people are under surveillance after having "high-risk" or "very high-risk" contact with the infected doctor, WHO said. More than 140 others are also being monitored.
"Given these multiple high-risk exposure opportunities, the outbreak of Ebola virus disease in Port Harcourt has the potential to grow larger and spread faster than the one in Lagos," WHO warned.
In the case of Liberia, the really sad thing is they seemed to have finally gotten back on track and were moving away from nonstop civil war. It's like countries in that part of the world just cannot catch a break, ever...
More about that Nigerian doctor's "high risk" behavior.
The short of it is that they're boned. :(
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/fresh-ebola-fears-as-death-toll-surpasses-1-900-1.1988576#ixzz3CIqcKdVw
QuoteWHO said Wednesday that the physician continued to see patients after the onset of Ebola symptoms and even operated on two people. Ebola is transmitted through direct contact with bodily fluids, and health authorities say patients are only contagious once they show symptoms.
"Prior to hospitalization, the physician had numerous contacts with the community, as relatives and friends visited his home to celebrate the birth of a baby," WHO said in a statement.
"Once hospitalized, he again had numerous contacts with the community, as members of his church visited to perform a healing ritual said to involve the laying on of hands. During his six-day day period of hospitalization, he was attended by the majority of the hospital's health care staff."
UNICEF ordering 60,000 body bags for the next 3 months! :o
Table 3, page 6
http://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/UNICEF_Ebola_SuppliesInformationNote_1Sept2014.pdf (http://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/UNICEF_Ebola_SuppliesInformationNote_1Sept2014.pdf)
Relax.
Timmay will use them as condoms.
Well they were pretty effective at that body bag fundraising drive at my church. If you raise it, you gotta spend it!
Quote from: Caliga on September 04, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
Relax.
You always say that. At what threshold is okay not to relax? 100,000 cases? 250,000? More?
Maybe they got such a deal on quantity that 60,000 made sense? I'd have to think body bags have a pretty good shelf life.
Now FEMA coffins-- that's something to get all worried about!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 04, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
Relax.
You always say that. At what threshold is okay not to relax? 100,000 cases? 250,000? More?
When you notice the guy next to you has ebola.
The 60,000 bags didnt meet QA\QC standards in the West, so they got a deal. Zippers are on the inside.
They had Buffalo Bills Super Bowl Champs 1992 on all of them.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 04, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
Relax.
You always say that. At what threshold is okay not to relax? 100,000 cases? 250,000? More?
When there are multiple cases in the West.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 04, 2014, 10:58:14 AM
The 60,000 bags didnt meet QA\QC standards in the West, so they got a deal. Zippers are on the inside.
We better hope the zombies don't know how to use zippers then.
Quote from: sbr on September 04, 2014, 11:21:37 AM
They had Buffalo Bills Super Bowl Champs 1992 on all of them.
Lulz, even better
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 04, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 04, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
Relax.
You always say that. At what threshold is okay not to relax? 100,000 cases? 250,000? More?
When there are multiple cases in the West.
Ah, but I actually have a conscience and care what happens to people regardless of location. I have no fear of there being a big outbreak in a western country, that does not mean I do not care.
New numbers as of August 31st.
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2014_09_04_ebola/en/ (http://www.who.int/csr/don/2014_09_04_ebola/en/)
3685 cases and 1841 dead.
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Why do Americans write the month first? Just to be different? I'll have you know Belize also uses that format, so you're not a snowflake here.
Quote from: Liep on September 05, 2014, 02:17:47 AM
Why do Americans write the month first? Just to be different? I'll have you know Belize also uses that format, so you're not a snowflake here.
Probably because that's how we'd say it in a sentence. April 1st. We don't say the first of April nearly as often.
Anyways, the cases have doubled from what they were 22 days ago, which were double what they were 30 days before that, which were double what they were 35 days before that. Periodic doubling would indicate exponential growth, but the rate of doubling is itself increasing..
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2014, 05:18:46 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 04, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 04, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
Relax.
You always say that. At what threshold is okay not to relax? 100,000 cases? 250,000? More?
When there are multiple cases in the West.
Ah, but I actually have a conscience and care what happens to people regardless of location. I have no fear of there being a big outbreak in a western country, that does not mean I do not care.
You are a better human being than all of us, Tim.
I mean that.
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 05, 2014, 07:07:21 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2014, 05:18:46 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 04, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 04, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
Relax.
You always say that. At what threshold is okay not to relax? 100,000 cases? 250,000? More?
When there are multiple cases in the West.
Ah, but I actually have a conscience and care what happens to people regardless of location. I have no fear of there being a big outbreak in a western country, that does not mean I do not care.
You are a better human being than all of us, Tim.
I mean that.
I believe that to be true.
Quote from: Liep on September 05, 2014, 02:17:47 AM
Why do Americans write the month first? Just to be different? I'll have you know Belize also uses that format, so you're not a snowflake here.
The same reason we don't use metric. To annoy people.
Quote from: Liep on September 05, 2014, 02:17:47 AM
Why do Americans write the month first? Just to be different? I'll have you know Belize also uses that format, so you're not a snowflake here.
Here's what wikipedia has:
QuoteThis sequence is used primarily in the United States. This date format was commonly used alongside the little-endian form in the United Kingdom until the mid-20th century and can be found in both defunct and modern print media such as the London Gazette and The Times, respectively. In the United States, it is said as Sunday, November 9, although usage of "the" isn't uncommon (e.g. Sunday, November the 9th, and even November the 9th, Sunday, are also possible and readily understood).
3900 cases, 2100 dead. :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 06, 2014, 04:29:00 AM
3900 cases, 2100 dead. :(
Tim, have you considered that you'd taint is leaking out and making this crisis worse ?
Maybe you could try not posting in the thread and eventually they'll then get the epidemic under control, worth a try no ? :unsure:
It would be our version of 'praying' for these unfortunate people ?
Stat guy says 1.2 million will die in 6 months.
Can any of our math people debunk this?
http://www.statsblogs.com/2014/09/06/1-2-millions-deaths-by-ebola-projected-within-six-months/
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 07, 2014, 03:38:14 AM
Stat guy says 1.2 million will die in 6 months.
Can any of our math people debunk this?
http://www.statsblogs.com/2014/09/06/1-2-millions-deaths-by-ebola-projected-within-six-months/
Seems legit.
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His prediction for this week was right on the dot!
This is the plot of cases & deaths so far, in a log scale format. The outbreak looked like it could have been contained at the end of April & beginning of May, but since June the number of cases have been doubling every month, and if anything the rate is slightly increasing.
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Maybe we could use this thread for all Epidemics and world health issues?
Incidentally I've been reading up on efficient health charities to donate to, and it looks like a couple of de-worming initiatives in the 3rd world provide a lot of bang for your donated buck.
I'll see if I can find a link.
Is log scale better than bad?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 04, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
Relax.
You always say that. At what threshold is okay not to relax? 100,000 cases? 250,000? More?
I tell you to relax simply because you get too worked up over stuff. Getting anxious isn't going to solve anything. :)
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8 September 2014 Last updated at 19:53
Ebola crisis: Liberia 'faces huge surge' says WHO
Ebola is spreading exponentially in Liberia, with thousands of new cases expected in the next three weeks, the World Health Organization (WHO) says.
Conventional methods to control the outbreak were "not having an adequate impact", the UN's health agency added.
.....
Full article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29115298 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29115298)
:(
Really looking bad.
Thanks for the title change though
http://news.sciencemag.org/africa/2014/09/how-deadly-ebola-statistical-challenges-may-be-inflating-survival-rate
The fatality rate is much higher than raw numbers make it appear. It's closer to 70% than 50%
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 08, 2014, 10:04:39 PM
Really looking bad.
Thanks for the title change though
Thanks for the change of heart that made the old title obsolete. :P
"Ebolapalooza?" That's rather flippant, given that people are dying in large numbers.
Quote from: grumbler on September 09, 2014, 08:14:31 AM
"Ebolapalooza?" That's rather flippant, given that people are dying in large numbers.
Would you feel better if they were pushed out of windows?
One day update by the WHO says that from thw 5th to the 6th more than 300 cases and nearly 200 deaths were recorded!
It is obviously unstoppable now. Liberia and Sierra Leone will probably lose hundreds of thousands of people. :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2014, 03:43:09 AM
Anyways, the cases have doubled from what they were 22 days ago, which were double what they were 30 days before that, which were double what they were 35 days before that. Periodic doubling would indicate exponential growth, but the rate of doubling is itself increasing..
I will note that at the rate of 300+ cases a day as seen on the sixth, this period of doubling will be 13 days!
I coughed today
Did the doctor have a hold of your nut sack?
Quote from: sbr on September 09, 2014, 08:16:38 PM
Did the doctor have a hold of your nut sack?
I wish. :(
:lol:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 09, 2014, 07:29:14 PM
One day update by the WHO says that from thw 5th to the 6th more than 300 cases and nearly 200 deaths were recorded!
It is obviously unstoppable now. Liberia and Sierra Leone will probably lose hundreds of thousands of people. :(
This is really getting ridiculous. What a horrible tragedy and the sick thing is we saw this coming months ago. Should have mobilized to help these countries when we could.
Help them how? My understanding is the virus is spreading because people who are infected refuse to come forward and allow themselves to be quarantined and refuse to disclose who they've been in contact with.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 09, 2014, 10:26:30 PM
Help them how? My understanding is the virus is spreading because people who are infected refuse to come forward and allow themselves to be quarantined and refuse to disclose who they've been in contact with.
There were hardly any doctors in those countries when the outbreaks broke out. They needed resources to help fight the disease. I mean this what we have UNICEF and all these things for right?
What exactly should "we" do to help people who intentionally break infected people out of quarantine and think that Western medicine is a plot to kill them?
Quote from: sbr on September 09, 2014, 10:29:04 PM
What exactly should "we" do to help people who intentionally break infected people out of quarantine and think that Western medicine is a plot to kill them?
"We", and by we I mean everybody who is not in West Africa, did a decent job helping to slow the AIDs epidemic despite people saying raping virgins was the best cure. Not sure why we could not do a decent job here.
Quote from: Valmy on September 09, 2014, 10:59:05 PM
"We", and by we I mean everybody who is not in West Africa, did a decent job helping to slow the AIDs epidemic despite people saying raping virgins was the best cure. Not sure why we could not do a decent job here.
How many years did it take to slow the AIDs epidemic?
Ebola is a fast killer, AIDs is not. IIRC, it took about 20 years to come up with a semi-cure, something that although didn't remove the viral charge, would neutralize it's effect enough so that you could live a semi-normal live, not worry about dying from a cold.
If we apply the same pace as for AIDs, how many people are gonna die of Ebola in 20 years?
The first cases of AIDs where in America/Canada, so it was easier to find patients, isolate them, educate them, treat them any way we could and do some controlled research. Can't do that in Sierra Leone.
You may send a thousand doctors there, but if people fear them, rely on their sorcerers and superstitions to 'cure' themselves, and that 'cure' happens to be just as effective as 'our' 'cure', then good luck convinced them to stay at home and isolate themselves.
I honestly don't know what to do.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 09, 2014, 10:26:30 PM
Help them how? My understanding is the virus is spreading because people who are infected refuse to come forward and allow themselves to be quarantined and refuse to disclose who they've been in contact with.
There is no help to get. People in the hemoraghic phase are being turned away at the door at some facilities because there are only 240 beds at Ebola clinics available in Liberia. At others they're being confined in buildings without beds and without enough food to live, causing then to try to escape and further engendering distrust in the community.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29136594
QuoteEbola outbreak 'threatens Liberia's national existence'
Patients too weak to move are being turned away by medical staff who cannot cope with the influx of cases, as Thomas Fessy reports
Liberia is facing a "serious threat" to its national existence as the deadly Ebola virus "spreads like wildfire" there, its defence minister says.
Brownie Samukai told the UN Security Council that the international response to the crisis was "less than robust".
The World Health Organization (WHO) has warned that thousands more cases could occur in Liberia, which has been worst hit by the West Africa outbreak.
Some 2,288 people have died from Ebola in Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone.
The WHO says half of these deaths occurred in the three weeks running up to 6 September.
In Nigeria, eight people have died out of a total 21 cases, while one case has been confirmed in Senegal, with no deaths.
Liberia's defence minister warned on Tuesday that the country's weak health system was already overwhelmed by the number of cases.
Mr Samukai told UN Security Council members that Liberia lacked "infrastructure, logistical capacity, professional expertise and financial resources to effectively address this disease".
"The deadly Ebola virus has caused a disruption of the normal functioning of our state," he said.
Separately on Tuesday, the UN's envoy in Liberia said that at least 160 Liberian health workers had contracted the disease and half of them had died.
Karin Landgren described the outbreak as a "latter-day plague" that was growing exponentially.
She added that health workers were operating without proper protective equipment, training or pay, in comments to the UN Security Council.
"Liberians are facing their gravest threat since their war," Ms Landgren said.
"I don't think anybody can say right now that the international response to the Ebola outbreak is sufficient," US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power said after the Security Council briefing.
Ebola spreads between humans by direct contact with infected blood, bodily fluids or organs, or indirectly through contact with contaminated environments.
Unlike other West African nations affected by the outbreak, efforts to contain the virus in Liberia were not working well, the WHO has said.
The reason for this remains unclear; however, experts say it could be linked to burial practices, which can include touching the body and eating a meal near it.
There are also not enough beds to treat Ebola patients, particularly in the capital Monrovia, with many people told to go back home, where they may spread the virus.
The WHO is calling on organisations combating the outbreak in Liberia to scale up efforts "three-to-four fold" to control the outbreak.
The US says it will help the African Union mobilise 100 African health workers to the region and contribute an additional $10m (£6.2m) in funds to deal with the outbreak.
The announcement comes as a fourth US aid worker infected with the deadly virus was transported to a hospital in Atlanta for treatment. The identity of the aid worker has not yet been revealed.
Two other aid workers who were treated at the same hospital have since recovered from an Ebola infection.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon says he will hold a meeting on the international response to the Ebola crisis on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly this month.
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VITAS is just about right on time. :(
Quote from: viper37 on September 09, 2014, 11:55:30 PM
You may send a thousand doctors there, but if people fear them, rely on their sorcerers and superstitions to 'cure' themselves, and that 'cure' happens to be just as effective as 'our' 'cure', then good luck convinced them to stay at home and isolate themselves.
I honestly don't know what to do.
Yeah ok we should have sent the doctors and taken our chances.
QuoteUN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon says he will hold a meeting on the international response to the Ebola crisis on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly this month.
Is that a joke? Hold a meeting sometime this month? Oh FFS.
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2014, 05:20:48 PM
QuoteUN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon says he will hold a meeting on the international response to the Ebola crisis on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly this month.
Is that a joke? Hold a meeting sometime this month? Oh FFS.
That's just the meeting to set the agenda for the meeting to decide where the meeting will take place.
Good to see the Gates Foundation is chipping in 50 million, well done Bill and his forceful wife. :cool:
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2014, 05:20:48 PM
Is that a joke? Hold a meeting sometime this month? Oh FFS.
That's what high muckeymucks do... hold meetings and then yell at other people to take care of shit.
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I'm jealous of Tim's time machine. :(
Looks like the government will collapse sooner rather than later. :(
www.frontpageafricaonline.com/index.php/news/2974-ebola-hits-seat-of-liberian-presidency-1-dead-1-quarantined
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Ebola Hits Seat of Liberian Presidency; 1 Dead; 1 Quarantined
Written by Rodney D. Sieh, [email protected]
Published: 10 September 2014
Monrovia - Liberia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which is also the seat of the Liberian presidency, has been hit by the deadly Ebola virus, FrontPageAfrica has learned.
On Monday, the Administrative Assistant to Foreign Minister Augustine Ngafuan reportedly died from what sources say is a suspected case of the deadly virus. Her husband, a staffer in the office of President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf, is currently under quarantine.
FrontPageAfrica is withholding the names of the officials because the government has not officially notified the public about the cases, so close to the Liberian presidency. Minister Ngafuan's office is two floors below the floor now being used as the President's office.
The wife of the President's office staffer reportedly died on Monday and may have gotten the virus from a sister, who had previously died. A praying woman who reportedly had sessions and laid hands on the sister of the deceased Administrative Assistant, has also died.
Sources within the Executive Mansion informed FrontPageAfrica Wednesday that both the deceased Administrative Assistant in Minister Ngafuan's office and her husband had been told not to return to the office until after 21 days.
" They had not been coming to work for more than 21 days now," the source, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not clothed with the authority to speak on the matter.
Minister Ngafuan is currently in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia attending an Emergency Meeting of the African Union's Executive Council on the Ebola Virus Disease Outbreak. Attempts to reach the minister and his press aide have been unsuccessful. The AU members are recommending the urgent lifting of all travel bans imposed on countries affected by the Ebola outbreak in Africa.
The Ministry has been the seat of the presidency since 2006 when fire gutted the fourth floor during celebrations marking the 159th Independence Day celebrations in the presence of three West African leaders, who had come to witness the then newly-elected President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf switch on electricity to reach limited parts of the capital city.
South African forensic scientists brought in to probe the cause of the fire said it was an electrical fault. Following the fire outbreak at the Executive Mansion, the Government of Liberia announced a closure of the Mansion, and President Johnson-Sirleaf relocated to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, where the president has for the past eight years been performing official state functions.
The mansion was constructed in 1964 under the regime of the late Liberian President William Vacanarat Shadrach Tubman by 2,000 workers, including about a fifth of Monrovia's labor force, and 150 foreign technicians. The eight-storey Executive Mansion building, which costs US$20 million, has an atomic-bomb shelter, an underground swimming pool, a private chapel, a trophy room, a cinema, an emergency power plant, water supply and sewage system, among others.
The report comes just 24 hours after Defense Minister Brownie Samukai told the U.N. Security Council that the outbreak poses a "serious threat" to the war-torn nation's very existence. Samukai's words were echoed by the U.N. Secretary-General's special representative Karin Landgren, who said Liberia is facing its gravest threat since its decade-long civil war ended in 2003. She deemed the outbreak a "latter-day plague" and its spread "merciless."
Liberia is worst hit among the nations affected by the current Ebola epidemic with at least 1,200 recorded deaths. Over the past three weeks, the country has experienced a 68% bump in infections and the World Health Organization estimates the surge will continue to accelerate in coming weeks.
Humanitarian groups in the country have been complaining that there simply aren't enough beds and suspected victims of Ebola are reportedly turned back to their communities or left waiting outside medical facilities, aggravating the risk of further contagion.
At least 160 health workers have been infected with the virus and 79 have died, in a nation that counted a paltry single doctor per 100,000 inhabitants at its onset. Landgren pointed out that the challenge also goes beyond the medical response.
"The enormous task of addressing Ebola has revealed persistent and profound institutional weaknesses, including in the security sector," she said. "As the demands pile on, the police face monumental challenges in planning and implementing large scale operations."
Good Lord, it's even worse than I thought. This is as bad as virgin field smallpox epidemic.
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It's true. :cry:
http://www.dw.de/virologist-fight-against-ebola-in-sierra-leone-and-liberia-is-lost/a-17915090
QuoteVirologist: Fight against Ebola in Sierra Leone and Liberia is lost
The killer virus is spreading like wildfire, Liberia's defense minister said on Tuesdayas he pleaded for UN assistance. A German Ebola expert tells DW the virus must "burn itself out" in that part of the world.
His statement might alarm many people.
But Jonas Schmidt-Chanasit of the Bernhard Nocht Institute for Tropical Medicine in Hamburg told DW that he and his colleagues are losing hope for Sierra Leone and Liberia, two of the countries worst hit by the recent Ebola epidemic.
"The right time to get this epidemic under control in these countries has been missed," he said. That time was May and June. "Now it is too late."
Schmidt-Chanasit expects the virus will "burn itself out" in this part of the world.
With other words: It will more or less infect everybody and half of the population - in total about five million people - could die.
Stop the virus from spilling over to other countries
Schmidt-Chanasit knows that it is a hard thing to say.
He stresses that he doesn't want international help to stop. Quite the contrary: He demands "massive help".
For Sierra Leone and Liberia, though, he thinks "it is far from reality to bring enough help there to get a grip on the epidemic."
According to the virologist, the most important thing to do now is to prevent the virus from spreading to other countries, "and to help where it is still possible, in Nigeria and Senegal for example."
Moreover, much more money has to be put into evaluating suitable vaccines, he added.
Angry reactions
In the headquarters of Welthungerhilfe, a German non-governmental aid organization that is engaged in helping with the Ebola epidemic, Schmidt-Chanasit's statement causes much contempt.
Such declarations "are not very constructive," a spokeswoman said.
Jochen Moninger, Sierra Leone based coordinator of Welthungerhilfe, told DW, Schmidt-Chanasit's statement is "dangerous and moreover, not correct."
Moninger has been living in Sierra Leone for four years and has experienced the Ebola outbreak there from the beginning.
"The measures are beginning to show progress," he says. "The problem is solvable - the disease can be stemmed."
"If I had lost hope completely, I would pack my things and take my family out of here", Moninger adds. Instead, he and his family will stay.
In Sierra Leone, the government has ordered a quarantine of 21 days for every household in which an Ebola case occurred. Soldiers and police are guarding these houses preventing anyone who has come into contact with an Ebola patient from leaving.
According to Moninger, that is exactly the right thing to do: isolating sick people - should it be necessary, even with military force.
Creating hopelessness doesn't help
Moninger says he doesn't know much about the situation in Liberia. But indeed, he got the impression that "there seems to be happening something that is not good at all."
He grants that Schmidt-Chanasit's statement "might point a little bit into the right direction" regarding Liberia.
Liberia has not taken on the same quarantine measures as Sierra Leone. According to a WOrld HEalth Organization (WHO) report, Ebola-infected people are crisscrossing the capital in shared taxis, looking for a treatment place and returning home after finding none. This way the virus spreads.
"Distributing hopelessness", though, Moninger said, "is dangerous", adding that there are many human lives at risk, and "statements like these make the situation even worse".
Disastrous, but not without hope
The WHO in Geneva refuses to comment on Schmidt-Chanasit's statement.
WHO spokeswoman Fadéla Chaib, though, says that there is "of course" still hope for both countries.
"We can bring the situation under control in 6 to 9 months," she told DW.
She admits, though, that the situation especially in Liberia is "very intense".
The government is completely outstripped and as soon as a new Ebola treatment center has opened, it is overflowed by patients, she says, adding that Liberia has the highest number of cases and deaths in West Africa with a 60 percent case-fatality rate.
The situation is getting worse after 80 health workers, doctors and nurses, have died after contracting the disease.
The WHO even expects thousands of new cases of Ebola in Liberia over the next few weeks.
Winning together
Not only neighboring countries but also Europe and the US will have to support the fight against the epidemic, WHO's Chaib demands.
Then it might be possible to win this fight.
The key to getting a grip on the epidemic is to stop the transmission of Ebola, especially in healthcare workers, she says.
Creating Ebola centers in the communities themselves will stop Ebola patients and their family members moving around and infecting other people.
"We will do everything we can to stop this Ebola outbreak. We will not let down West Africa."
Tim, it's not as bad as you or the article make out, after all that quotes a 2nd expert, one actually on the ground who says there is hope.
Besides it's impossible for everyone to catch the disease in a country and only a given % of those will survive, there will be patches, even in the worse case analysis were no one is infected in some locations before it dies out in neighbouring areas, something that it's rapid killing actually aids.
Jesus. I can't even imagine.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/11/ebola-treatment-centre-liberia
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I had to turn people away from an Ebola treatment centre. It's desperate work
Explaining to people pleading for their loved ones that we were full was almost impossible. Yet despite the horrors of the situation here in Liberia, there are moments of true joy
Pierre Trbovic
theguardian.com, Thursday 11 September 2014 16.48 BST
Soon after arriving in Monrovia, I realised that my colleagues were overwhelmed by the scale of the Ebola outbreak. Our treatment centre – the biggest Médecins Sans Frontières has ever run – was full, and Stefan, our field coordinator, was standing at the gate turning people away. This wasn't a job that we had planned for anyone to do, but somebody had to do it – and so I put myself forward.
For the first three days I stood there, it rained hard. People were drenched, but they carried on waiting because they had nowhere else to go.
The first person I had to turn away was a father who had brought his sick daughter in the trunk of his car. He was an educated man, and he pleaded with me to take his teenage daughter, saying that while he knew we couldn't save her life, at least we could save the rest of his family from her. At that point I had to go behind one of the tents to cry. I wasn't ashamed of my tears but I knew I had to stay strong for my colleagues – if we all started crying, we'd be in trouble.
Other families just pulled up in cars, let the sick person out and then drove off, abandoning them.
One mother tried to leave her baby on a chair, hoping that if she did, we would have no choice but to care for the child.
I had to turn away one couple who arrived with their young daughter. Two hours later the girl died in front of our gate, where she remained until the body removal team took her away. We regularly had ambulances turning up with suspected Ebola patients from other health facilities, but there was nothing we could do. We couldn't send them anywhere else – everywhere was, and still is, full.
Once I entered the high-risk zone, I understood why we couldn't admit any more patients. Everyone was completely overwhelmed. There are processes and procedures in an Ebola treatment centre to keep everyone safe, and if people don't have time to follow them, they can start making mistakes.
It can take 15 minutes to dress fully in the personal protective equipment and, once inside, you can only stay for an hour before you are exhausted and covered in sweat. You can't overstay or it starts getting dangerous. The patients are also really unwell, and it is a lot of work to keep the tents clean of human excrement, blood and vomit, and to remove the dead bodies.
There was no way of letting more patients in without putting everyone, and all of our work, at risk.
But explaining this to people who were pleading for their loved ones to be admitted, and assuring them that we were expanding the centre as fast as we could, was almost impossible. All we could do was give people home protection kits, containing gloves, gowns and masks, so that they could be cared for by their loved ones with less chance of infecting them.
A week ago, MSF's president spoke at the UN and called on states with biohazard response capability to urgently send teams to west Africa. To have any hope of getting the outbreak under control we need more treatment beds for Ebola patients and we need them yesterday. We are worried that if left to UN agencies and NGOs it will take too much time to respond – more lives will be lost and the virus will spread even further.
MSF is currently providing 160 beds in Monrovia, we will soon have 200, and we will carry on expanding as fast as we can. But we are stretched to capacity by our work elsewhere on the outbreak and through the rest of the world.
In Monrovia, we estimate that there needs to be more than 1,000 beds to treat every Ebola patient. There are currently just 240 in total. Until that gap is closed by treatment centres with hundreds, rather than the small numbers pledged so far, the misery of turning people away at our gates will continue.
After one week on the gate my colleagues told me to stop. They could see the emotional toll that it was taking on me. That same afternoon a nurse came to find me, saying there was something I had to see. Whenever people recover, we have a small ceremony for the patients who are discharged.
Seeing the staff gather to celebrate this exceptional moment, hearing the words of the discharged patients as they thank us for what we did, gives us all a good reason to be there. Looking around I saw tears in all of my colleagues' eyes. Sometimes there are good reasons to cry.
The NY Times freaking out about the possibility of mutation to an airborne strain.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/opinion/what-were-afraid-to-say-about-ebola.html?_r=0
Wouldn't mutation to a mosquito borne vector be more likely? A lot of people carry malaria, and dengue fever is also edemic, if a carrier gets infected be ebola the possibility for some sloppy recombination and gene swapping is a possibility isn't it?
A blood-borne hemmoragic fever like Ebola mutating to the point of becoming aerosolized on its own is a long shot; they haven't even reached that point in the laboratory, it's that difficult. A cross-species jump requires a lot of molecular engineering as well.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 11, 2014, 09:53:39 PM
A blood-borne hemmoragic fever like Ebola mutating to the point of becoming aerosolized on its own is a long shot; they haven't even reached that point in the laboratory, it's that difficult. A cross-species jump requires a lot of molecular engineering as well.
Ebola strains in pigs and monkeys have gone airborne. If it can go airborne in one species of primates, why not another.
I bet Soviet labs managed it. :tinfoil:
EDIT: Apparently the NY Times is using out of date research
http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/under-microscope/pigs-and-primates-addressing-airborne-ebola-allegation
EDIT: 2 Extra Doom!
http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=20899
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The exponential growth in case numbers during an outbreak also makes resource-intensive activities like contact tracing and surveillance increasingly difficult. Recent studies, including the one by Nishiura et al. in this issue, suggest that the reproduction number of Ebola (the average number of secondary cases generated by a typical case) is between 1.5–2 in some countries [8,9]. Based on the durations of incubation and infectiousness of EVD [3], it is plausible that the number of cases could therefore double every fortnight if the situation does not change. There are currently hundreds of new EVD cases reported each week; with the number of infections increasing exponentially, it could soon be thousands. Following up contacts and monitoring them for symptoms has already become unfeasible in areas where health authorities are stretched to the limit.
...
Ebola cannot be ignored in the hope it will burn itself out. It is true that outbreaks of acute infections will generally decline once a large number people have been infected, because there are no longer enough susceptible individuals to sustain transmission. But if Ebola indeed has a reproduction number of 2 in some locations as described by Nishiura et al. [8], the susceptible pool – which likely includes most individuals – would have to shrink by at least half before the outbreak declined of its own accord [17]. Given the vast populations in affected areas and the disease's high fatality rate, this is clearly not an acceptable scenario.[/
That's right, snot droplets still fall under blood/tissue/bodily fluid protocol. Stop inciting panic, Timmay.
Then again, that doctor who wrote the Op-ed in the Times is the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, so maybe he knows what he's talking about.
What were you told about relaxing? :sleep:
Quote from: Caliga on September 12, 2014, 05:08:29 AM
What were you told about relaxing? :sleep:
Don't do it.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2014, 01:51:28 AM
Then again, that doctor who wrote the Op-ed in the Times is the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, so maybe he knows what he's talking about.
If he knew what he was talking about, he wouldn't be at the University of Minnesota doing "policy".
I'm up to my black ass in virologists and immunologists here, I trust what they say more than some headline-grabbing op-ed Golden Gopher.
And their football program stinks too.
"Golden Gophers". Sounds like a fetish porn video series.
GOLDEN GOPHERS VOL 26, "VARMINT VIXENS"
You guys are in denial.
http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/ebola-case-count-could-rise-to-between-77000-and-277000-by-years-end/
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Ebola case count could rise to between 77,000 and 277,000 by year's end
A worst-case scenario would see an additional 77,181 to 277,124 Ebola cases by the end of 2014
Helen Branswell
September 11, 2014
TORONTO – The case count in West Africa's unprecedented Ebola outbreak could grow by tens or even hundreds of thousands of cases before the end of this year, a new study suggests.
The work, published Thursday in the online journal Eurosurveillance, said that if growth continues at its current pace, a worst-case scenario would see an additional 77,181 to 277,124 cases by the end of 2014.
The authors suggested it is unlikely the worst-case scenario would come to pass because containment efforts are being scaled up in response to the crisis. But in an interview, one of the authors admitted that if the current numbers are wrong and many more cases have been missed in recent weeks, their estimate could potentially be too low.
"If the cases are roughly uniformly distributed over time, then our estimates shouldn't change much," said Gerardo Chowell of Arizona State University in Tempe.
However, if most of the missed cases had more recently occurred, "this would be very bad news."
An editorial that accompanied the study warned that the world cannot hope that this Ebola outbreak will burn itself out. It was written by Adam Kucharski and Peter Piot of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. Piot is one of the discoverers of the Ebola virus.
They called the epidemic an international crisis and said it demands a commensurate response.
"It is true that outbreaks of acute infections will generally decline once a large number of people have been infected because there are no longer enough susceptible individuals to sustain transmission," the authors noted.
"But ... given the vast populations in affected areas and the disease's high fatality rate, this is clearly not an acceptable scenario."
They suggested that unless the containment efforts start to gain ground, the number of cases could double every two weeks.
The most recent numbers from the World Health Organization suggest there have been at least 4,269 cases of the disease and 2,288 deaths in this outbreak, which is believed to have started late last year. Those numbers are higher than the total of all known Ebola cases and Ebola deaths since the first known outbreak in 1976.
The agency has said it believes its numbers are underestimates, but because the outbreak is so large and the situation in hot zones so chaotic it does not have a good handle on how far off the numbers are.
Because of those problems, an infectious diseases expert at the University of Minnesota warned against seeing the numbers in this study as a true projection.
Michael Osterholm said he wasn't trying to suggest the case numbers aren't big or that they won't get much bigger, but just that at this point it is difficult to quantify how large the outbreak might get.
"All we can say is there are lots and lots of cases, and more coming. And there are lots and lots of deaths, and more coming," said Osterholm, who is director of the Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy.
"And I don't think we can put any real precision around this at this point. All we can say for our planning is that it's a very, very big number. And we just have to take that into consideration."
The work is what is known as a modelling study. Chowell and a colleague, H. Nishiura from the University of Tokyo, calculated what is called the reproductive number of the outbreak, the number of new infections that stem from an average case. When a disease has a reproductive rate of less than one, it cannot sustain itself and will eventually stop spreading.
In the case of this outbreak, they estimated the reproductive rate was between one and two. In Sierra Leone and Liberia, the harder hit of the countries, the reproductive number was calculated to be between 1.4 and 1.7. The worst-case scenario of 77,181 to 277,124 was calculated using those figures.
Chowell, who was reached in Japan, said in a telephone interview that as of Aug. 26 there was no evidence the containment efforts were bringing down the reproductive number. That would occur if new cases were isolated as soon as the people became sick, eliminating the risk they would infect others. People with Ebola are only believed to be contagious when they have symptoms.
Chowell said he and Nishiura will continue to track the numbers to see if the increased efforts are making an impact on the outbreak.
Us being in denial does not really matter. The fact the UN and various other idiots seem to be in denial is much more serious. Anybody going to get some doctors and emergency facilities over there? Bueller?
Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2014, 10:42:10 AM
Us being in denial does not really matter. The fact the UN and various other idiots seem to be in denial is much more serious. Anybody going to get some doctors and emergency facilities over there? Bueller?
Cuba's sending 165 health workers. :)
http://thenationonlineng.net/new/ebola-cuba-sends-165-health-workers-to-west-africa/
Likely too late though
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/world/africa/ebola-who-africa.html?_r=0
QuoteSo far, 4,784 Ebola cases have been reported and more than 2,400 people have died in the outbreak, which is concentrated in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, Ms. Chan said on Friday, citing the latest data available. But she made clear the figures were "an underestimate."
A surge of 400 new cases in Liberia in the past week, double the number of new cases in the preceding week, was "a particular cause for concern," the health organization said. Sierra Leone reported 200 new cases in the past week and a high rate of transmission in the capital, Freetown, the W.H.O. said. Nearly half the total number of infections in West Africa and just over half the deaths occurred in the last 21 days, it said.
I'm not in denial, I'm in the United States. Where it's safer.
Cuba just can't resist meddling in Africa, can it??
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2014, 11:26:36 AM
I'm not in denial, I'm in the United States. Where it's safer.
Until the boatloads of infected Africans start washing up on our shores.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 12, 2014, 07:19:50 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2014, 11:26:36 AM
I'm not in denial, I'm in the United States. Where it's safer.
Until the boatloads of infected Africans start washing up on our shores.
What, like all the boatloads of infected Haitians that were going to destroy us by washing up on our shores in the '80s?
I'm unfamiliar with the disease that affected five million Haitians.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 12, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
I'm unfamiliar with the disease that affected five million Haitians.
It's call "Haiti".
I'm unfamiliar with all this bullshit panic over an easily containable disease provided Western approaches to science and medicine are even marginally accepted.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2014, 08:25:47 PM
I'm unfamiliar with all this bullshit panic over an easily containable disease provided Western approaches to science and medicine are even marginally accepted.
plenty of nations where that isn't accepted.
More projections
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/world/africa/us-scientists-see-long-fight-against-ebola.html?_r=0&referrer=
QuoteDr. Shaman's research team created a model that estimated the number of cases through Oct. 12, with different predictions based on whether control of the epidemic stays about the same, improves or gets worse. If control stays the same, according to the model, the case count by Oct. 12 will be 18,406. If control improves, it will be 7,861. If control worsens, it will soar to 54,895
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 12, 2014, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2014, 08:25:47 PM
I'm unfamiliar with all this bullshit panic over an easily containable disease provided Western approaches to science and medicine are even marginally accepted.
plenty of nations where that isn't accepted.
No shit, dumbass. So why are you panicking?
QuoteMore projections
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/world/africa/us-scientists-see-long-fight-against-ebola.html?_r=0&referrer=QuoteDr. Shaman's research team created a model that estimated the number of cases through Oct. 12, with different predictions based on whether control of the epidemic stays about the same, improves or gets worse. If control stays the same, according to the model, the case count by Oct. 12 will be 18,406. If control improves, it will be 7,861. If control worsens, it will soar to 54,895
54K? That's not even half the capacity of Michigan Stadium.
I'm not particular concerned. It's a blood-borne illness, I would have to get bitten by a vampire bat or something.
According to the Liberian community in Rhode Island, Liberia is already on the edge of famine and complete collapse.
http://www.providencejournal.com/news/health/20140913-ebola-in-liberia-news-of-relatives-death-shatters-providence-family-video.ece (http://www.providencejournal.com/news/health/20140913-ebola-in-liberia-news-of-relatives-death-shatters-providence-family-video.ece)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2014, 08:25:47 PM
I'm unfamiliar with all this bullshit panic over an easily containable disease provided Western approaches to science and medicine are even marginally accepted.
:yes:
Not to sound racist Tim, but these people are basically talking gorillas. :) In real, non-trainwreck countries, Ebola wouldn't be an issue unless some crazy airborne mutation shit happens.
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2014, 06:22:39 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2014, 08:25:47 PM
I'm unfamiliar with all this bullshit panic over an easily containable disease provided Western approaches to science and medicine are even marginally accepted.
:yes:
Not to sound racist Tim, but these people are basically talking gorillas. :) In real, non-trainwreck countries, Ebola wouldn't be an issue unless some crazy airborne mutation shit happens.
Quoted for it's truly awfulness, I presume you were attempting to be humourous? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2014, 06:22:39 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2014, 08:25:47 PM
I'm unfamiliar with all this bullshit panic over an easily containable disease provided Western approaches to science and medicine are even marginally accepted.
:yes:
Not to sound racist Tim, but these people are basically talking gorillas. :) In real, non-trainwreck countries, Ebola wouldn't be an issue unless some crazy airborne mutation shit happens.
How about you go fuck yourself
We can isolate and contain a case or ten. But can we handle a hundred? A thousand? The bigger this gets in West Africa, the harder to prevent from spreading to the rest of the world.
More scientists jumping on the apocalypse train with regards to Liberia.
http://blogs.channel4.com/tom-clarke-on-science/terrifying-mathematics-ebola/1329#sthash.YjPBbPGK.dpuf (http://blogs.channel4.com/tom-clarke-on-science/terrifying-mathematics-ebola/1329#sthash.YjPBbPGK.dpuf)
Quote"It could get very bad indeed," said Prof John Edmunds, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. "And I mean you can't rule out some sort of nightmare doomsday scenario."
"But the quicker we react and put interventions in place, the better chance we've got of avoiding something really, really serious."
The leading epidemiologist is studying the spread of the virus in Monrovia, where the outbreak is now most intense. He has told Channel 4 News that based on the current rate of spread and lack of power to control it, it has the potential to infect the majority of the population of the country.
Sitrep from the DRC - Not Good
http://reliefweb.int/report/democratic-republic-congo/update-ebola-virus-disease-drc-no10-12-september-2014 (http://reliefweb.int/report/democratic-republic-congo/update-ebola-virus-disease-drc-no10-12-september-2014)
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*The number of suspected cases has fallen, as some have been laboratory confirmed.
**12 alerts including one with death in Kokolo military camp in Kinshasa, a second reported in Kambove in Katanga and 10 cases of which 8 deaths reported in Bongandanga, Equateur Provincer. Five samples from Bongandanga and from Nyakunde in Ituri (Orientale Province) are being analyzed.
Between 2 and 10 September, 35 cases of EVD have been reported in the area of Djera in Equateur Province in DRC, increasing the cumulative number of cases to 66 (see the above table for details).
Two additional treatment centers are operational since 9 September with the capacity of 50 beds
Some local/provincial committees of the CNC (Ebola response coordination) are not operating optimally like Kinshasa; some coordination tools for the smooth functioning of these structures at local / provincial level are still unavailable
Epidemic Control Commission (ECC) has submitted a health roadmap on the management and prevention of the Ebola Virus Disease to the DRC Minister of Health as per recommendations of the latest meeting of SADEC Ministers of Public Health held in Zimbabwe.
Two hotline numbers have been set up to allow the population to get information on the disease and ongoing efforts: 081 08 000 20 and 099 99 710 05. An additional hotline for information on the prevention of the EVD is available using Tigo: 119.
The contingency plan for Kinshasa has been finalized, but actions for its full activation are yet to be taken.
Quote from: Caliga on September 14, 2014, 06:22:39 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 12, 2014, 08:25:47 PM
I'm unfamiliar with all this bullshit panic over an easily containable disease provided Western approaches to science and medicine are even marginally accepted.
:yes:
Not to sound racist Tim, but these people are basically talking gorillas. :) In real, non-trainwreck countries, Ebola wouldn't be an issue unless some crazy airborne mutation shit happens.
Lulz, Sexist Cal is Racist Cal, too.
Finally some good news? Sounds nice, however even if all 3,000 of those sent were health care workers, and they're not (most will be logistics or guards), that would still only be enough to man 1052 beds and at this stage that is unfortunately not enough, let alone in 2-4 weeks or whenever they get there. These things take weeks to get on the ground usually, sometimes more, and every two weeks to three the numbers double.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/15/ebola-crisis-obama-administration-to-request-1-billion-to-fight-outbreak/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/15/ebola-crisis-obama-administration-to-request-1-billion-to-fight-outbreak/)
QuoteThe Obama administration plans to ask Congress to approve $1 billion to fight Ebola, sources say, as the U.S. military command in Africa makes countering the deadly disease its highest priority.
The increased funding would result in the deployment of approximately 3,000 U.S. military personnel, the creation of a joint task force commanded by a three-star officer, military provision of logistics and mobility support, three field medical facilities and a training program for health care workers, a source told Fox News on Monday.
The support is estimated to last at least six months and cost upwards of $1 billion dollars, with estimated daily costs of at least $5.4 million a day.
The request would not be in addition to money that's already been approved, but rather, re-appropriating existing funding.
Took him long enough. The UN should have been mobilizing a large response months ago. I mean geez what good are they if they cannot facilitate a response to a disease?
Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2014, 11:13:27 PM
Took him long enough. The UN should have been mobilizing a large response months ago. I mean geez what good are they if they cannot facilitate a response to a disease?
Don't worry Valmy, the UN
Debating Club Security Council is going to have an emergency meeting on this Thursday.
1700 beds is really good, but who is going to staffing them? When are the beds going to get there? Will the staff be capable with just a week of training? Poorly trained staff will just spread the disease.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-surge-obama-pledge-millions-keep-country-safe-n204106
QuoteThe Defense Department will divert $500 million for the effort, which will include building 17 treatment centers with 100 beds apiece, dedicating 10,000 sets of personal protective equipment and distributing supplies such as disinfectant and hand sanitizer to help 400,000 families protect themselves and care for sick family members.
...
The U.S. Africa Command will train as many as 500 new health care workers a week for six months and longer if needed. WHO and aid groups such as Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF, or Doctors Without Borders) have said medical staff are by far the greatest need.
Did Congress shitcan the Mercy and Comfort yet? You want to provide medical services in that shithole, do it offshore.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 15, 2014, 11:52:58 PM
Did Congress shitcan the Mercy and Comfort yet? You want to provide medical services in that shithole, do it offshore.
Agreed.
Comfort is the Atlantic Fleet hospital ship; get it over there.
It doesn't seem like anyone is able to keep track of concrete numbers anymore and they're just using estimates. That's a bad sign.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/who-orders-global-response-ebola-death-toll-climbs-2-500-n204241 (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/who-orders-global-response-ebola-death-toll-climbs-2-500-n204241)
QuoteThe Ebola virus outbreak is "unparalleled in modern times," the World Health Organization said Tuesday, announcing a "global response coalition" as the death toll in West Africa climbed towards 2,500 with 5,000 others infected.
Oh, and if the numbers are in the tens of thousands there will be no containment. You've already lost.
QuoteAylward said a faster response was needed to keep the numbers infected within the "tens of thousands."
Meanwhile MSF continues to sound the alarm.
http://www.msf.org/article/msf-presidents-remarks-un-special-briefing-ebola (http://www.msf.org/article/msf-presidents-remarks-un-special-briefing-ebola)
QuoteMSF President's remarks to the UN Special Briefing on Ebola
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16 September 2014
P.K. Lee/MSF
United Nations Member States Briefing on the Ebola outbreak and Response in West Africa, Geneva, 16 September 2014
Remarks by Dr. Joanne Liu, International President, Médecins Sans Frontières
Ms. Under Secretary General, Mr. Special Coordinator, Mr. Assistant Director General, Distinguished Delegates, ladies and gentlemen.
Two weeks ago, I made an urgent appeal to member states of the United Nations in New York for your help in stemming the Ebola epidemic in West Africa. Many other organisations, such as the CDC, the WHO, and the UN, have also described the unfolding catastrophe.
Yet, since then, only a few countries have promised to deploy more hands-on capacity to the affected countries such as the United States of America, United Kingdom, China, France and Cuba, or the European Union. We understand President Obama will announce later today plans to deploy military and medical assistance to West Africa. If this is true – but we have no real details yet on what this deployment entails, and how fast it will be – then it shows that the US is willing to lead by example. Other countries need to follow.
Today, the response to Ebola continues to fall dangerously behind, and I am forced to reiterate the appeal I made two weeks ago:
We need you on the ground. The window of opportunity to contain this outbreak is closing. We need more countries to stand up, we need greater deployment, and we need it NOW. This robust response must be coordinated, organized and executed under clear chain of command.
Today, in Monrovia, sick people are banging on the doors of MSF Ebola care centres, because they do not want to infect their families and they are desperate for a safe place in which to be isolated.
Tragically, our teams must turn them away. We simply do not have enough capacity for them. Highly infectious people are forced to return home, only to infect others and continue the spread of this deadly virus. All for a lack of international response.
As of today, MSF has sent more than 420 tonnes of supplies to the affected countries. We have 2,000 staff on the ground. We manage more than 530 beds in five different Ebola care centres. Yet we are overwhelmed. We are honestly at a loss as to how a single, private NGO is providing the bulk of isolation units and beds.
We are unable to predict how the epidemic will spread. We are dealing largely with the unknown. But we do know that the number of recorded Ebola cases represents only a fraction of the real number of people infected. We do know that transmission rates are at unprecedented levels. We do know that communities are being decimated. And, with certainty, we know that the ground response remains totally, and lethally, inadequate.
With every passing week, the epidemic grows exponentially. With every passing week, the response becomes all the more complicated.
More countries must deploy their civil defence and military assets, and medical teams, to contain the epidemic. Large numbers of trained staff are needed to tend to patients in basic and efficient isolation wards and tent hospitals, which can be established quickly on open ground in a comparatively straight forward logistical operation.
The fight against this outbreak is more than just about controlling the virus. While thousands have died of Ebola, many more are dying from easily treatable conditions and diseases because health centres no longer function. Health structures need support to start working again and reduce death rates and suffering caused by other untreated ailments.
Meanwhile, efforts towards producing an effective vaccine must continue, in order to cut the chain of transmission. But it must be a vaccine of proven safety and efficiency and of wide availability. Until that day comes, we must act as if no vaccine exists.
How the world deals with this unprecedented epidemic will be recorded in history books. This is a regional crisis with economic, social and security implications that reach far beyond the borders of the affected countries.
States have a political and humanitarian responsibility to halt this mounting disaster
It can only be done by massively deploying assets to the field, and battling the epidemic at its roots.
The first pledges have been made, now more countries must urgently also mobilise. The clock is ticking.
Ick. Are we really going to send 3,000 lucky armed services personnel over there? Must be an awesome feeling getting those orders.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/world/africa/obama-to-announce-expanded-effort-against-ebola.html?_r=1
Send supplies, money, whatever. Just not people.
People are what's needed most though. Not that it will help much. It's too late.
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Quote from: derspiess on September 16, 2014, 10:28:13 AM
Send supplies, money, whatever. Just not people.
If Liberia had a trained staff ready to use that gear then I would agree. Unfortunately anything we send needs to have people trained to use it or it will be wasted.
Yeah, people are going to have to be part of the solution.
The weird thing about stuff like this is that the amount of money needed, while considerable, really isn't that much from a global/national scale. Compared to the amounts that western countries spend on all kinds of stupid shit, the amount needed to handle a crisis like this is not really that significant.
I saw an ad in the elevator today crowing about how Canada was sending $2.5M in aid. Seriously? Are you kidding me?
Send them some MRAPs.
No shit, we can send them a bunch of MRAPS.
Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2014, 11:13:27 PM
Took him long enough. The UN should have been mobilizing a large response months ago. I mean geez what good are they if they cannot facilitate a response to a disease?
Embezzling all that sweet money takes serious effort, yo.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2014, 08:46:40 PM
People are what's needed most though. Not that it will help much. It's too late.
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Okay, then allow volunteers to go. Just don't order servicemen & wimmenz over there FFS.
Quote from: derspiess on September 17, 2014, 09:34:43 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 16, 2014, 08:46:40 PM
People are what's needed most though. Not that it will help much. It's too late.
Okay, then allow volunteers to go. Just don't order servicemen & wimmenz over there FFS.
Why not?
Quote from: The Brain on September 17, 2014, 11:43:30 AM
Why not?
Because we have a lot invested in their training and it's not what they signed up for.
Anyone else who wants to order their military to the area should feel free to do so however.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2014, 11:58:20 AM
Because we have a lot invested in their training and it's not what they signed up for.
Anyone else who wants to order their military to the area should feel free to do so however.
Presumably if the US military is being ordered into the area, it will be Americans who order them there?
Presumably, also, the kind of people being sent will be the kind of people who can make a significant difference and who have the training and resource to keep themselves safe?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2014, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 17, 2014, 11:43:30 AM
Why not?
Because we have a lot invested in their training and it's not what they signed up for.
Anyone else who wants to order their military to the area should feel free to do so however.
What exactly do they sign up for? What's in their contracts?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2014, 11:58:20 AM
Because we have a lot invested in their training and it's not what they signed up for.
Anyone else who wants to order their military to the area should feel free to do so however.
Then I suppose the services should remove all the images of uniformed personnel providing humanitarian aid, including medical aid, from their recruiting materials?
Yeah, I don't get it. The military has a long history of humanitarian missions.
That should not be their purpose.
Their purpose is what their Commander-in-Chief says it is.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on September 17, 2014, 12:30:21 PM
Then I suppose the services should remove all the images of uniformed personnel providing humanitarian aid, including medical aid, from their recruiting materials?
They should definitely scrub the ads with uniformed personnel dying of Ebola, if they have any in the works.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2014, 12:40:50 PM
They should definitely scrub the ads with uniformed personnel dying of Ebola, if they have any in the works.
As well as the ones where they get their legs blown off by an IED.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2014, 12:38:15 PM
Their purpose is what their Commander-in-Chief says it is.
:bleeding:
Quote from: frunk on September 17, 2014, 12:44:15 PM
As well as the ones where they get their legs blown off by an IED.
Agreed. If they have any recruiting commercials in which guys are getting blown up by IEDs while delivering bottled water and bags of lentils, those were not well thought out.
Quote from: Jacob on September 17, 2014, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 17, 2014, 12:34:31 PM
That should not be their purpose.
Why not?
Just my opinion. The military's purpose should be to kill people and break things, not meals-on-wheels or wading into a sea of ebola.
Quote from: derspiess on September 17, 2014, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2014, 12:38:15 PM
Their purpose is what their Commander-in-Chief says it is.
:bleeding:
Nope, he's right. Their purpose is to follow orders. If the President wants them to dress up like clowns then by God they will all wear stupid berets.
Seems much easier to protect yourself against Ebola than against snipers or IEDs. I fail to see the big problem.
Somebody's got to be there to shoot all the Liberians fleeing to the Ivory Coast.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 17, 2014, 01:12:48 PM
Somebody's got to be there to shoot all the Liberians fleeing to the Ivory Coast.
That's the real issue, IMO. If they end up enforcing a quarantine, they could end up shooting at unarmed, desperate people just trying to survive. Maybe that needs to be done, I don't know, but it's a far greater concern than that our troops might be going into harms way to help people.
Quote from: Maximus on September 17, 2014, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 17, 2014, 01:12:48 PM
Somebody's got to be there to shoot all the Liberians fleeing to the Ivory Coast.
That's the real issue, IMO. If they end up enforcing a quarantine, they could end up shooting at unarmed, desperate people just trying to survive. Maybe that needs to be done, I don't know, but it's a far greater concern than that our troops might be going into harms way to help people.
That should be fine by derspiess then.
Helping black pipples = bad
Shooting black pipples = :yeah:
Quote from: Maximus on September 17, 2014, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 17, 2014, 01:12:48 PM
Somebody's got to be there to shoot all the Liberians fleeing to the Ivory Coast.
That's the real issue, IMO. If they end up enforcing a quarantine, they could end up shooting at unarmed, desperate people just trying to survive. Maybe that needs to be done, I don't know, but it's a far greater concern than that our troops might be going into harms way to help people.
If there are other organizations that are better than the military at large scale killing then why are we paying the military?
Quote from: Razgovory on September 17, 2014, 01:11:05 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 17, 2014, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2014, 12:38:15 PM
Their purpose is what their Commander-in-Chief says it is.
:bleeding:
Nope, he's right. Their purpose is to follow orders. If the President wants them to dress up like clowns then by God they will all wear stupid berets.
That's their duty, not necessarily their purpose.
Quote from: derspiess on September 17, 2014, 01:04:57 PM
Quote from: Jacob on September 17, 2014, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 17, 2014, 12:34:31 PM
That should not be their purpose.
Why not?
Just my opinion. The military's purpose should be to kill people and break things, not meals-on-wheels or wading into a sea of ebola.
No disaster relief, no infrastructure construction, no winning hearts and minds, just a pure focus on destruction?
Seems a bit limiting.
Quote from: Jacob on September 17, 2014, 05:17:18 PM
No disaster relief, no infrastructure construction, no winning hearts and minds, just a pure focus on destruction?
Seems a bit limiting.
To be fair to Spicey, there are lots of non-military organizations that engage in disaster relief, infrastructure construction, and winning hearts and minds, but there aren't any that have the mandate to kill people and break things. It is okay to be limited to a specialty; that's more or less how modern society works.
I'd round up Aspies and Anime fans and throw them at the problem.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 17, 2014, 08:23:56 PM
I'd round up Aspies and Anime fans and throw add them at to the problem.
FTFY Excellent idea! :thumbsup:
Suggestion: Have the hipsters rounded up and in the camps ready to replace losses.
Quote from: grumbler on September 17, 2014, 08:26:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 17, 2014, 08:23:56 PM
I'd round up Aspies and Anime fans and throw add them at to the problem.
FTFY Excellent idea! :thumbsup:
Suggestion: Have the hipsters rounded up and in the camps ready to replace losses.
:yes:
Quote from: grumbler on September 17, 2014, 08:14:21 PM
Quote from: Jacob on September 17, 2014, 05:17:18 PM
No disaster relief, no infrastructure construction, no winning hearts and minds, just a pure focus on destruction?
Seems a bit limiting.
To be fair to Spicey, there are lots of non-military organizations that engage in disaster relief, infrastructure construction, and winning hearts and minds, but there aren't any that have the mandate to kill people and break things. It is okay to be limited to a specialty; that's more or less how modern society works.
Yeah, but my understanding is that the military gets more funding than all those other organizations put together, in part so it can deal with anything and everything.
I mean, if you want to keep the military purely a fighting organization (as opposed to primarily a fighting organization), you definitely have more say on the matter than I do. Personally, however, I'm under the impression that the US military has a pretty solid history of humanitarian efforts and disaster relief, and that that history has worked in favour of American interests (whether from straight up positive PR, or from keeping situations from escalating into situations less favourable for the US).
The USPHS needs the military to get them where they need to go.
Indeed. The thinking is probably that the military is our best equipped organization for moving and setting up logistics and infrastructure in a place where infrastructure sucks, or is non-existant. Like after the Haiti earthquake.
Quote from: Jacob on September 17, 2014, 09:12:41 PM
Yeah, but my understanding is that the military gets more funding than all those other organizations put together, in part so it can deal with anything and everything.
I mean, if you want to keep the military purely a fighting organization (as opposed to primarily a fighting organization), you definitely have more say on the matter than I do. Personally, however, I'm under the impression that the US military has a pretty solid history of humanitarian efforts and disaster relief, and that that history has worked in favour of American interests (whether from straight up positive PR, or from keeping situations from escalating into situations less favourable for the US).
I am not disagreeing with you, but simply noting that the mission of the military is kill/break, and that Spicey is supportable in his assertion that these other capabilities exist to support the mission. Personally, i don't have a problem using these other capabilities as long as the use doesn't detract from the mission (indeed, I would argue that using these capabilities enhances the mission, because it gives personnel valuable experience and allows them to evaluate the performance of their equipment and procedures in real-world circumstances).
I have a hard time seeing how this will work out well, but all we can do is hope at this point.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/140918/sierra-leone-readies-controversial-ebola-lockdown
Quote from: grumbler on September 18, 2014, 06:15:09 AM
I am not disagreeing with you, but simply noting that the mission of the military is kill/break, and that Spicey is supportable in his assertion that these other capabilities exist to support the mission. Personally, i don't have a problem using these other capabilities as long as the use doesn't detract from the mission (indeed, I would argue that using these capabilities enhances the mission, because it gives personnel valuable experience and allows them to evaluate the performance of their equipment and procedures in real-world circumstances).
Fair enough.
8 health workers and jorunalists were beaten to death in Guinea by angry villagers. :(
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/18/ebola-health-workers-missing-guinea
These African witchdoctor worshipers are definitely making a run for the money next to the Middle East moon god worshipers in the Shittiest 3rd World Shithole 4x400 Relay event.
Official case number has topped 5,000 :(
Total Cases in West Africa
As of September 14, 2014
(Updated September 18, 2014)
Total Case Count: 5347
Total Deaths: 2630
Laboratory Confirmed Cases: 3095
EDIT: US @AmbassadorPower to @UN Sec Council: "Next week more in Liberia will die of #Ebola than in all prior 20 epidemics combined."
https://mobile.twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/512702656242921473
That's nothing compared to wars & genocides in the region. Wake me up when it hits that level.
Quote from: derspiess on September 18, 2014, 07:23:31 PM
That's nothing compared to wars & genocides in the region. Wake me up when it hits that level.
You do understand the concept of exponential growth do you not?
Bullets aren't contagious.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2014, 07:30:47 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 18, 2014, 07:23:31 PM
That's nothing compared to wars & genocides in the region. Wake me up when it hits that level.
You do understand the concept of exponential growth do you not?
Yeah. I also understand the concept of panic.
I just don't think there's hope for this country. :( :( :(
It's spreading through the presidential guard
http://www.thenewdawnliberia.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12704:ebola-strikes-eps-57-agents-quarantined&catid=25:politics&Itemid=59
There is literally nowhere in the country where Ebola victims can be buried safely.
http://www.thenewdawnliberia.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12704:ebola-strikes-eps-57-agents-quarantined&catid=25:politics&Itemid=59
Holy shit!
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/218346-report-550k-ebola-cases-represents-worst-case-scenario
QuoteBy Elise Viebeck - 09/19/14 01:40 PM EDT
The U.S. government is preparing to announce new Ebola projections that include a worst-case scenario of 550,000 cases by January, according to a report.
The estimates are currently in development at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and would help provide a baseline to measure the effectiveness of the ramped-up American response to the outbreak.
The figures set to be released next week assume no additional intervention in West Africa, according to Bloomberg, which broke the news. Hundreds of thousands more people could contract the virus under that scenario, the numbers show.
Health officials and organizations are racing to contain Ebola, warning the outbreak is "spiraling out of control" with 2,630 dead as of this week. Cases are concentrated in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Libera, and present in two other countries.
CDC Director Tom Frieden has been a key advocate for Ebola victims within the Obama administration, urging the United States to intensify its response.
The White House announced Friday that its chief information officer, Steve VanRoekel, will be deployed to improve the use of technology and data to fight the epidemic.
As for that lock down/census in Sierra Leone, I don't think it's going well... :wacko:
Seems like the country has melted down as badly as Liberia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/world/africa/ebola-outbreak.html?_r=0
https://mobile.twitter.com/AhmedTejanSie/status/513182614363316225
Quoteentire households found dead with no effort at postmortem diagnosis.
This lock down may have dealt the death blow to Guinea. Thousands have fled across the border.
http://www.euronews.com/2014/09/20/thousands-evade-ebola-lockdown-in-sierra-leone/ (http://www.euronews.com/2014/09/20/thousands-evade-ebola-lockdown-in-sierra-leone/)
DEATHBLOW! M M M MONSTER KILL!
:cry:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/09/20/comment-most-terrifying-thing-about-ebola
QuoteThe most terrifying thing about Ebola
It is the disease threatening humanity by preying on humanity. Imagine: you are a parent whose child has suddenly come ill with fever - do you cast your child away?
20 Sep 2014 - 1:10 PM UPDATED 20 Sep 2014 - 1:21 PM
As the Ebola epidemic in West Africa has spiraled out of control, affecting thousands of Liberians, Sierra Leonians, and Guineans, and threatening thousands more, the world's reaction has been glacially, lethally slow. Only in the past few weeks have heads of state begun to take serious notice. To date, the virus has killed more than 2,600 people. This is a comparatively small number when measured against much more established diseases such as malaria, HIV/AIDS, influenza, and so on, but several factors about this outbreak have some of the world's top health professionals gravely concerned:
Its kill rate: In this particular outbreak, a running tabulation suggests that 54 percent of the infected die, though adjusted numbers suggest that the rate is much higher.
Its exponential growth: At this point, the number of people infected is doubling approximately every three weeks, leading some epidemiologists to project between 77,000 and 277,000 cases by the end of 2014.
The gruesomeness with which it kills: by hijacking cells and migrating throughout the body to affect all organs, causing victims to bleed profusely.
The ease with which it is transmitted: through contact with bodily fluids, including sweat, tears, saliva, blood, urine, semen, etc., including objects that have come in contact with bodily fluids (such as bed sheets, clothing, and needles) and corpses.
The threat of mutation: Prominent figures have expressed serious concerns that this disease will go airborne, and there are many other mechanisms through which mutation might make it much more transmissible.
Terrifying as these factors are, it is not clear to me that any of them capture what is truly, horribly tragic about this disease.
The most striking thing about the virus is the way in which it propagates. True, through bodily fluids, but to suggest as much is to ignore the conditions under which bodily contact occurs. Instead, the mechanism Ebola exploits is far more insidious. This virus preys on care and love, piggybacking on the deepest, most distinctively human virtues. Affected parties are almost all medical professionals and family members, snared by Ebola while in the business of caring for their fellow humans. More strikingly, 75 percent of Ebola victims are women, people who do much of the care work throughout Africa and the rest of the world. In short, Ebola parasitizes our humanity.
More than most other pandemic diseases (malaria, cholera, plague, etc.) and more than airborne diseases (influenza, swine flu, H5N1, etc.) that are transmitted indiscriminately through the air, this disease is passed through very minute amounts of bodily fluid. Just a slip of contact with the infected party and the caregiver herself can be stricken.
The images coming from Africa are chilling. Little boys, left alone in the street without parents, shivering and sick, untouchable by the throngs of people around them. Grown men, writhing at the door to a hospital, hoping for care as their parents stand helplessly, wondering how to help. Mothers and fathers, fighting weakness and exhaustion to move to the edge of a tent in order to catch a distant, final glimpse of a get-well video that their children have made for them.
If Ebola is not stopped, this disease can destroy whole families within a month, relatives of those families shortly thereafter, friends of those relatives after that, and on and on. As it takes hold (and it is taking hold fast), it cuts out the heart of family and civilization. More than the profuse bleeding and high kill rate, this is why the disease is terrifying. Ebola sunders the bonds that make us human.
Aid providers are now working fastidiously to sever these ties themselves, fighting hopelessly against the natural inclinations that people have to love and care for the ill. They have launched aggressive public information campaigns, distributed updates widely, called for more equipment and gear, summoned the military, tried to rein in the hysteria, and so on. Yet no sheet of plastic or latex can disrupt these human inclinations.
Such heroic efforts are the appropriate medical response to a virulent public health catastrophe. The public health community is doing an incredible job, facing unbelievable risks, relying on extremely limited resources. Yet these efforts can only do half of the work. Infected parties—not all, to be sure, but some (enough)—cannot abide by the rules of disease isolation. Some will act without donning protective clothing. Some will assist without taking proper measures. And still others will refuse to enter isolation units because doing so means leaving their families and their loved ones behind, abandoning their humanity, and subjecting themselves to the terror of dying a sterile, lonely death.
It is tempting, at these times, to focus on the absurd and senseless actions of a few. One of the primary vectors in Sierra Leone is believed to have been a traditional healer who had been telling people that she could cure Ebola. In Monrovia a few weeks back, angry citizens stormed a clinic and removed patients from their care. "There is no Ebola!" they are reported to have been shouting. More recently, the largest newspaper in Liberia published an article suggesting that Ebola is a conspiracy of the United States, aimed to undermine Africa. And, perhaps even more sadly, a team of health workers and journalists was just brutally murdered in Guinea. It is easy, in other words, to blame the spread on stupidity, or illiteracy, or ritualism, or conspiracy theories, or any number of other irrational factors.
But imagine: You are a parent whose child has suddenly come ill with a fever. Do you cast your child away and refuse to touch him? Do you cover your face and your arms? Stay back! Unclean! Or do you comfort your child when he asks for you, arms outstretched, to make the pain go away?
Imagine: You live in a home with five other family members. Your sister falls ill, ostensibly from Ebola, but possibly from malaria, typhoid, yellow fever, or the flu. You are aware of the danger to yourself and your other family members, but you have no simple means to move her, and she is too weak to move herself. What do you do?
Imagine: You are a child of 5 years old. Your mother is sick. She implores you to back away. But you are scared. What you need, more than anything, is a hug and a cry.
Who can blame a person for this? It is a terrible, awful predicament. A moral predicament. To stay, comfort, and give love and care to those who are in desperate need, or to shuttle them off into an isolation ward, perhaps never to see them again? What an inhumane decision this is.
What makes the Ebola virus so terrifying is not its kill rate, its exponential growth, the gruesome way in which it kills, the ease of transmission, or the threat of mutation, but rather that people who care can do almost nothing but sit on the sidelines and watch.
Will Ebola spread worldwide?
Many have asked whether Ebola could come here, come West. (The implication, in its way, is crass—as if to suggest that we need not be concerned about a tragedy unless it poses a threat to us.) We have been reassured that it will never spread widely here, because our public health networks are too strong, our hospitals too well-stocked. The naysayers may be right about this. But they are not right that it does not pose a threat to us.
But imagine: You are a parent whose child has suddenly come ill with fever. Do you cast your child away?
For starters, despite the pretense, the West is not immune from absurd, unscientific thinking. We have our fair share of scientific illiteracy, skepticism, ritualism, and foolishness. But beyond this, it is our similarities, not our differences, that make us vulnerable to this plague. We are human. Every mechanism we have for caring—touching, holding, feeding, playing, warming, comforting, caressing—every mechanism that we use to bind us to our families and our neighbors, is preyed upon by Ebola. We cannot seal each other into hyperbaric chambers and expect that once we emerge, the carnage will be over. We are humans, and we will care about our children and our families even if it means that we may die in doing so.
The lesson here is a vital one: People do not give up on humanity so very easily. Even if we persuade all of the population to forgo rituals like washing the dead, we will not easily persuade parents to keep from holding their sick children, children from clinging to their ailing parents, or children from playing and wrestling and slobbering all over one another. We tried to alter such behaviors with HIV/AIDS. A seemingly simple edict—"just lay off the sex with infected parties"—would seem all that is required to halt that disease. But we have learned over the decades that people do not give up sex so readily.
If you think curtailing sex is hard, love and compassion will be that much harder. Humans will never give this up—we cannot give this up, for it is fundamental to who we are. The more that medical personnel require this of people without also giving them methods to manifest care, the more care and compassion will manifest in pockets outside of quarantine. And the more humanity that manifests unchecked, the more space this virus has to grow. Unchecked humanity will seep through the cracks and barriers that we build to keep our families safe, and if left to find its own way, will carry a lethal payload.
The problem is double-edged. Ebola threatens humanity by preying on humanity. The seemingly simple solution is to destroy humanity ourselves—to seal everything off and let the disease burn out on its own. But doing so means destroying ourselves in order to save ourselves, which is no solution at all.
We must find a method of caring without touching, of contacting without making contact. The physiological barriers are, for the time being, necessary. But we cannot stop people from caring about one another, so we must create, for the time being, mechanisms for caring. Since we will never be able to beat back humanity, we must coordinate humanity, at the family level, the local level, and the global level.
The only one way to battle a disease that affixes itself parasitically to our humanity is to overwhelm it with greater, stronger humanity. To immunize Africa and the rest of the world with a blast of humanity so powerful that the disease can no longer take root. What it will take to beat this virus is to turn its most powerful vehicle, our most powerful weapon, against it.
Here are some things we can do:
Donate to the great organizations that are working tirelessly to bring this disease under control. They need volunteers, medical supplies, facilities, transportation, food, etc. Share information about Ebola, so people will learn about it, know about it, and know how to address it when it comes. And inform and help others. It is natural at a time of crisis to call for sealing the borders, to build fences and walls that separate us further from outside threats. But a disease that infects humanity cannot easily be walled off in this way. Walling off just creates unprotected pockets of humanity, divisions between us and them: my family, your family; that village, this village; inside, outside.
One final thing.
When Prince Prospero, ill-fated protagonist of Edgar Allan Poe's story "The Masque of the Red Death," locked himself in his castle to avoid a contagion that was sweeping his country—a disease that caused "profuse bleeding at the pores"—he assumed mistakenly that the only reasonable solution to his problem was to remove himself from the scene. For months he lived lavishly, surrounded by courtiers, improvisatori, buffoons, musicians, and wine, removed from danger while the pestilence wrought havoc outside.
As with much of Poe's writing, Prospero's tale does not end well. For six months, all was calm. He and his courtiers enjoyed their lives, secure and isolated from the plague laying waste to the countryside. Then, one night during a masquerade ball, the Red Death snuck into the castle, hidden behind a mask and a cloak, to afflict Prospero and his revelers, dropping them one by one in the "blood-bedewed halls." Prospero's security was a façade, leaving darkness and decay to hold "illimitable dominion over all." The eventual intrusion that would be his undoing foretells of a danger in believing that we can keep the world's ills at bay by keeping our distance.
If we seek safety by shutting out the rest of the world, we are in for a brutally ugly awakening. Nature is a cruel mistress, but Ebola is her cruelest, most devious trick yet.
Quote from: derspiess on September 18, 2014, 07:23:31 PM
That's nothing compared to wars & genocides in the region. Wake me up when it hits that level.
So...we wake you up and what is it exactly that you will do?
Quote from: Valmy on September 21, 2014, 11:16:14 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 18, 2014, 07:23:31 PM
That's nothing compared to wars & genocides in the region. Wake me up when it hits that level.
So...we wake you up and what is it exactly that you will do?
Not care anyways, unless it shows up next to his house.
This is crazy, I cannot believe this is not on every headline around the world. We are sure waking up slowly to this. It is just amazing the extent this is allowed to go on unchecked.
Quote from: Valmy on September 21, 2014, 11:20:56 PM
This is crazy, I cannot believe this is not on every headline around the world. We are sure waking up slowly to this. It is just amazing the extent this is allowed to go on unchecked.
Isn't this just another horrible thing we're ignoring in Africa? Famine and war kills so many more each day and yet that never headlines anywhere.
Quote from: Liep on September 22, 2014, 01:57:22 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 21, 2014, 11:20:56 PM
This is crazy, I cannot believe this is not on every headline around the world. We are sure waking up slowly to this. It is just amazing the extent this is allowed to go on unchecked.
Isn't this just another horrible thing we're ignoring in Africa? Famine and war kills so many more each day and yet that never headlines anywhere.
It's exponential increase that's the problem. We could have the impact of thirty years of HIV in one year. This is going to cause failed states and regional economic collapse.
Quote from: Valmy on September 21, 2014, 11:20:56 PM
This is crazy, I cannot believe this is not on every headline around the world. We are sure waking up slowly to this. It is just amazing the extent this is allowed to go on unchecked.
One of the problems is the difficulty in seeing just what CAN be done. However, I agree that it is odd, indeed, that there aren't more popular groups springing up for fundraising, volunteer mobilization, collecting materials, and whatnot. You see that for famines that have this kind of scope for tragedy. Is it possible that we have simple inured ourselves to tragedy in Africa?
Quote from: grumbler on September 22, 2014, 05:02:04 AM
Is it possible that we have simple inured ourselves to tragedy in Africa?
This is what I mean, the last positive story I heard out of Africa was about community farming, they were successful in educating the women instead of the men, which meant that the soil was actually attended to. They then showed pictures of farming women and men slovenly chewing khat in the shadow of a tree.
I agree that this has the potential to become catastrophic, but there's still famine and HIV and what have you. People still remember that whole Kody affair too and coupled with stories of people raiding hospitals you just can't expect the west to mobilise before the really big numbers actually start ticking I'm.
Quote from: Liep on September 22, 2014, 05:52:16 AM
Quote from: grumbler on September 22, 2014, 05:02:04 AM
Is it possible that we have simple inured ourselves to tragedy in Africa?
you just can't expect the west to mobilise before the really big numbers actually start ticking I'm.
When the big numbers start rolling in nothing can be done. You'll have failed states, civil war, famine and refugees streaming into neighboring countries, bring the disease there. You have to stop these kinds of things at the start.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 22, 2014, 06:30:52 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 22, 2014, 05:52:16 AM
Quote from: grumbler on September 22, 2014, 05:02:04 AM
Is it possible that we have simple inured ourselves to tragedy in Africa?
you just can't expect the west to mobilise before the really big numbers actually start ticking I'm.
When the big numbers start rolling in nothing can be done. You'll have failed states, civil war, famine and refugees streaming into neighboring countries, bring the disease there. You have to stop these kinds of things at the start.
I think Liep is referring to popular mobilization, not stae and NGO mobilization, since he's replying to my query on popular mobilization. I think he's probably put his finger on the issue.
I am a bit concerned about this crap. Does the West have the balls to enforce a quarantine? Outlook, not so good.
Well, hey, as long as we live in a bubble and never touch anybody we're safe.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 22, 2014, 06:30:52 AM
You'll have failed states, civil war, famine and refugees streaming into neighboring countries, bring the disease there. You have to stop these kinds of things at the start.
Yes. It would suck if that someday happened in Africa.
Quote from: derspiess on September 22, 2014, 05:07:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 22, 2014, 06:30:52 AM
You'll have failed states, civil war, famine and refugees streaming into neighboring countries, bring the disease there. You have to stop these kinds of things at the start.
Yes. It would suck if that someday happened in Africa.
Yes. Bad things are bad. Weren't you supposed to be sleeping?
Quote from: Liep on September 22, 2014, 05:52:16 AM
I agree that this has the potential to become catastrophic, but there's still famine and HIV and what have you. People still remember that whole Kody affair too and coupled with stories of people raiding hospitals you just can't expect the west to mobilise before the really big numbers actually start ticking I'm.
Is there nobody else in the world besides the west? I thought we had a UN and all these NGOs to handle things like this. But they blew it and soon this is going to be a problem that will burn enormous resources and lives to contain. Would have been nice when all it required was a few beds and doctors for one of the organizations that are supposed to handle that take care of it.
I'm not certain "the West" / NGOs really have the capability to stop the "exponential growth" - assuming that is what is going to come to pass. The reasons this is an outbreak in West Africa -- poor sanitation, lack of access to and trust in medical care, inadequate medical facilities, lack of effective quarantine control, etc., can't be realistically fixed in short order.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 22, 2014, 06:10:12 PM
I'm not certain "the West" / NGOs really have the capability to stop the "exponential growth" - assuming that is what is going to come to pass. The reasons this is an outbreak in West Africa -- poor sanitation, lack of access to and trust in medical care, inadequate medical facilities, lack of effective quarantine control, etc., can't be realistically fixed in short order.
Well the horse is a bit out of the barn now. Since this was coming months away it would have been nice if they had made an effort say in May or June or something. When there were a small number of cases medical assistance would have been decisive. But, you know, probably a lot cheaper to fight the epidemic now than wait until it leads to a major catastrophe costing us billions. I do not get the 'this is hard now...so lets wait until it is much harder and far more expensive'. What sense does that make :huh:
Quote from: Valmy on September 22, 2014, 05:37:09 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 22, 2014, 05:52:16 AM
I agree that this has the potential to become catastrophic, but there's still famine and HIV and what have you. People still remember that whole Kody affair too and coupled with stories of people raiding hospitals you just can't expect the west to mobilise before the really big numbers actually start ticking I'm.
Is there nobody else in the world besides the west?
Depends on what you're asking. If it's still why there aren't any headlines in the West which is what I responded to, then yes, there is only the West. :huh:
If not, then yes, there are NGOs, but they normally couldn't care less what headlines or not, they base their operations on what's needed as judged by professionals.
Quote from: Valmy on September 22, 2014, 05:37:09 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 22, 2014, 05:52:16 AM
I agree that this has the potential to become catastrophic, but there's still famine and HIV and what have you. People still remember that whole Kody affair too and coupled with stories of people raiding hospitals you just can't expect the west to mobilise before the really big numbers actually start ticking I'm.
Is there nobody else in the world besides the west? I thought we had a UN and all these NGOs to handle things like this. But they blew it and soon this is going to be a problem that will burn enormous resources and lives to contain. Would have been nice when all it required was a few beds and doctors for one of the organizations that are supposed to handle that take care of it.
Doctors Without Borders has been giving it's all, but it just doesn't have the resources to supply the medical care needed for three nations of 20 million people.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 22, 2014, 07:42:49 PM
Doctors Without Borders has been giving it's all, but it just doesn't have the resources to supply the medical care needed for three nations of 20 million people.
That a fact? Glad to hear it.
It'll get better soon Tim, don't worry.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 22, 2014, 07:48:28 PM
It'll get better soon Tim, don't worry.
James Monroe shall rise from the dead to save Liberia?
Quote from: Valmy on September 22, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 22, 2014, 07:42:49 PM
Doctors Without Borders has been giving it's all, but it just doesn't have the resources to supply the medical care needed for three nations of 20 million people.
That a fact? Glad to hear it.
Aside from some Christian charities, MSF is the only organization in the area that has been doing anything. The WHO has been gutted and aid from foreign governments is only starting to arrive now. MSF has like 2,000 people in the hot zone.
I've read the WHO's news release that the outbreak in Nigeria and Senegal has been contained, but I'm really doubtful. Why wouldn't the same dynamic be in play there that there was in the rest of W. Africa?
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2014/10/ebola-virus-epidemic-containment
Quote...what soon became troubling to Batchyli were the phone calls from people who saw the hand of foreigners behind the epidemic. The logic followed a pattern: the virus had never been anywhere near Guinea before. Then the white people came, and only at that point did talk of "Ebola" start. The foreigners had come so fast that they had actually out-run their own messaging: there were trucks full of foreigners in yellow space suits motoring into villages to take people into isolation before people understood why isolation was necessary.
Even if you understood the reasons, the message from the government and the health workers (and the local media) had undercut the incentive to cooperate. If Ebola was a death sentence, what was the point? The public-service announcements had not been subtle—they didn't explain that mortality rates vary or that, with supportive care, patients do survive (as half the Ebola patients at the M.S.F. treatment center in Conakry had done). To a villager, the isolation centers were fearsome places. They offered a one-way maze through white tarpaulins and waist-high orange fencing. Relatives or friends went in and then you lost them. You couldn't see what was happening inside the tents—you just saw the figures in goggles and full-body protective gear. The health workers move carefully in order to avoid tears and punctures; from a distance, the effect is robotic. The health workers don't look like any people you've ever seen. They perform stiffly and slowly, and then they disappear into the tent where your mother or brother may be, and everything that happens inside is left to your imagination.Villagers began to whisper to one another—They're harvesting our organs; they're taking our limbs.
The process of finding and isolating infected patients was on one level effective and on another deeply disorienting. Batchyli didn't fully grasp the implications at the time. Nobody did. But people in Guinea were as frightened by the response to Ebola as they were by Ebola itself. As the international community started to make significant progress against the epidemic, people in the Forest Region and in the capital were starting to shut health workers out. Fear was proving to be a contagion: You want to hide from the disease. You want to deny that you have it. You want to retreat to your village behind a phalanx of family members, and when the men in space suits come looking for you, you want to crawl under the bed. And you do—and your family members throw stones at the people in space suits, and so they leave.
This dynamic did not at first register. What the medical teams in Guinea saw was that, barely a month after the international community's response began, the incidence of reported infections stopped rising, then declined. It continued to drop. In early May, the Ebola-treatment center inside Donka hospital, in Conakry, reached a milestone: a full week had elapsed since its last Ebola case. Another week passed, with nobody testing positive. The work until then had been so intense and so extraordinarily draining—working in the heat in full Tyvek suits, treating patients who often died and who posed a direct threat to care-givers—that the mood after two Ebola-free weeks was one of relief, bordering on celebration.
Another week passed in Conakry with no Ebola victims. Things slowed even further. A few patients came in and were triaged to the "suspected" section of the treatment center; none tested positive. Relief gave way to boredom. The medical team began making work for itself—taking a full inventory of supplies, cleaning and re-disinfecting tents.
Yet another week passed: once again, Ebola-free. Then, in late May, more good news. At the daily coordination meeting, a Ministry of Health representative announced that the last outstanding contact had been symptom-free for 21 days. The implication was clear: if everyone who had come into physical contact with an Ebola patient was symptom-free after the virus's incubation period had expired, there effectively was no one left who could be infected.
In Guéckédou, medical personnel received the news from the capital by phone. There were still a few patients at the treatment center there, but after an onslaught of 163 Ebola cases in that one prefecture, 119 of them fatal, the team was now following contact cases in only two villages. The news from Conakry tracked with what they were seeing in the Forest Region.
The President of Guinea announced that "for the moment, the situation is well in hand." The foreigners began to leave. The C.D.C. cycled its staff out of Guinea. At the treatment center at Donka hospital, preparations went forward to hand leadership over to local staff. By this point, toward the end of May, there had been 248 clinical cases of Ebola throughout Guinea, and 171 deaths. But there were no more cases in the pipeline. The worst was over.
Much of the medical community in Conakry savored a moment of respite. But it was illusory. As the doctors would learn all too soon, many people had simply stopped cooperating with health workers. They had gone to ground and taken Ebola with them—until so many people had become sick in a community that it was no longer possible to conceal them.
On May 27, a patient with Ebola was admitted to the treatment center in Conakry—the first such patient in a month. On June 2, five more people with Ebola were admitted. On June 3, two more arrived. The cases weren't coming from just Conakry. They were also coming from places a hundred miles or more from the capital: Télimélé, Boffa—everywhere. Down in the Forest Region, between May 29 and June 1, there were 15 new Ebola cases. Out of nowhere, from a flat bottom, the curve had begun to rise, and to rise more steeply than ever.
NPR had this to say about fundraising.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/09/22/349962559/why-raising-money-to-fight-ebola-is-hard
QuoteRadio
Why Raising Money To Fight Ebola Is Hard
by Zoe Chace
September 22, 2014 4:24 PM ET
The response to the 2010 earthquake in Haiti was massive: Billions of dollars in donations poured in.
"It had everything," says Joel Charny, who works with InterAction, a group that coordinates disaster relief. "It had this element of being an act of God in one of the poorest countries on the planet that's very close to the United States. ... And the global public just mobilized tremendously."
People haven't responded to the Ebola outbreak in the same way; it just hasn't led to that kind of philanthropic response.
From the point of view of philanthropy, the Ebola outbreak is the opposite of the Haiti earthquake. It's far from the U.S. It's hard to understand. The outbreak emerged over a period of months — not in one dramatic moment — and it wasn't initially clear how bad it was.
Donors like being part of a recovery story. In Haiti, buildings and lives were destroyed. The pitch was, let's help them rebuild.
In the case of Ebola, it's been harder to make a pitch.
Doctors Without Borders tried to tell stories about Ebola for months. But much of the public wasn't listening. The story wasn't prominent in the news until things became dire. Experts who have worked on famine relief say their field is similar.
"There's plenty of early warning," says Gary Shaye, who works with Save the Children. "All the people on the ground know what's going to happen; they talk about it. But until it's something much more visible in the media, it's almost impossible to raise funds."
The Ebola outbreak is unimaginable, says Sophie Delaunay, the director of Doctors Without Borders in the U.S. "It is so horrific, that once you realize how dramatic the situation is, then you just keep thinking about Ebola all the time," Delaunay says. "But until you make that step, you prefer to get away from it."
Quote from: Valmy on September 22, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
When there were a small number of cases medical assistance would have been decisive.
I'm not sure. Anything less than a really big intervention would mean that the identification of new cases would still have to be done locally, and I doubt the critical factor in the outbreak was the spread of the disease after identification (though it didn't obviously didn't help).
WHO finally starts to give in to reality, predicts more than 20,000 cases by November, admits this strain has a 71% fatality rate. (64% if you're lucky enough to gain admitance to a hospital). It may become endemic in W. Africa.
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-ebola-may-be-endemic-in-people-20140922-story.html
QuoteEbola virus in humans may be here to stay; fatality rate is 71%
By Monte Morin
In a grim assessment of the Ebola epidemic, researchers say the deadly virus threatens to become endemic to West Africa instead of eventually disappearing from humans..
"The current epidemiologic outlook is bleak," wrote a panel of more than 60 World Health Organization experts in a study published Tuesday by the New England Journal of Medicine.
"We must therefore face the possibility that Ebola virus disease will become endemic among the human population of West Africa, a prospect that has never previously been contemplated."
In the absence of new control measures, the authors estimated that the total case load would exceed 20,000 by Nov 2.
"The numbers of cases of and deaths from EVD are expected to continue increasing from hundreds to thousands per week in the coming months," the authors wrote.
As of Monday, the United Nations health organization reported that out of a total of 5,864 confirmed and probable cases, 2,811 deaths have resulted.
"The true numbers of cases and deaths are certainly higher," the authors wrote. "There are numerous reports of symptomatic persons evading diagnosis and treatment, of laboratory diagnoses that have not been included in national databases, and of persons with suspected Ebola virus disease who were buried without a diagnosis having been made."
When a virus is slow to mutate, as Ebola appears to be, the pathogen steadily wanes as the number of people who have developed immunity increases. With proper controls, experts say the virus would find it increasingly difficult to spread among the population until it eventually disappeared from humans and survived only in its so-called animal reservoir, which is believed to be a fruit bat.
In this case however, epidemiologists fear that the virus could continue to linger in small pockets, extending its life in humans and potentially mutating in a way that makes fighting it more difficult.
In an accompanying editorial, Dr. Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, and Dr. Peter Piot, director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said the epidemic has helped to degrade an already meager system of healthcare.
This "disintegration" would have broad consequences and "only worsen as the epidemic progresses," they wrote.
"West Africa will see much more suffering and many more deaths during childbirth and from malaria, tuberculosis, HIV-AIDS, enteric and respiratory illnesses, diabetes, cancer, cardiovascular disease, and mental health during and after the Ebola epidemic."
Farrar and Piot also warned that here was "a very real danger of a complete breakdown in civic society."
In the WHO paper, researchers presented their first, full statistical snapshot of the epidemic, which gained a foothold in December of last year and has fallen hardest on Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
The majority of patients stricken by Ebola are 15 to 44 years old, with men and women suffering at a nearly equal rates, according to researchers. The case fatality rate -- based on confirmed cases only -- is 70.8%, with a slightly lower chance of death -- 64.3% -- for those admitted to a hospital.
Although the epidemic has already killed more people than all previous outbreaks combined, researchers said the virus now wreaking havoc on some of the world's poorest nations is no more lethal or virulent than other strains.
Instead, its rapid spread is due to "insufficient" control efforts, and a "large intermixing" population that has transported the virus across borders and between rural and urban areas.
In order to stop the epidemic, researchers say the rate of transmission would have to be cut in half. This would be equivalent to vaccinating 50% of the population.
Several experimental vaccines are under development, and -- if they prove to be effective -- won't be available in large quantities for months.
Study authors made the following observations on the effects of the outbreak.
The average age of a person infected with Ebola is 32, and 49.9% of patients are male, researchers said. The age group that has been most affected by the virus makes up 44% of the total population.
The most common symptoms reported by patients included fever (87.1%), fatigue (76.4%), loss of appetite (64.5%), vomiting (67.6%), diarrhea (65.6%), headache (53.4%), and abdominal pain (44.3%).
Although the disease is infamously known for causing bleeding, "specific hemorrhagic symptoms were rarely reported (in less than 1% to 5.7% of patients)," authors wrote. "Unexplained bleeding" however was reported in 18% of cases.
People age 45 or older faced a significantly greater threat of death, as did those who suffered a number of the following symptoms: diarrhea, conjunctivitis, difficulty breathing or swallowing, confusion or disorientation and coma, unexplained bleeding, bleeding gums, bloody nose, bleeding at injection sites and bleeding from the vagina.
"The risk of continued epidemic expansion and the prospect of endemic EVD in West Africa call for the most forceful implementation of present control measures and the rapid development and deployment of new drugs and vaccines," the authors concluded.
Given these numbers from just one cemetery in one slum, I'm gonna say that S. Leone by itself may have 20,000 cases already.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/23/world/africa/23ebola.html?_r=0
QuoteFresh Graves Point to Undercount of Ebola Toll
By ADAM NOSSITERSEPT. 22, 2014
FREETOWN, Sierra Leone — The gravedigger hacked at the cemetery's dense undergrowth, clearing space for the day's Ebola victims. A burial team, in protective suits torn with gaping holes, arrived with fresh bodies.
The backs of the battered secondhand vans carrying the dead were closed with twisted, rusting wire. Bodies were dumped in new graves, and a worker in a short-sleeve shirt carried away the stretcher, wearing only plastic bags over his hands as protection. The outlook for the day at King Tom Cemetery was busy.
"We will need much more space," said James C. O. Hamilton, the chief gravedigger, as a colleague cleared the bush with his machete.
The Ebola epidemic is spreading rapidly in Sierra Leone's densely packed capital — and it may already be far worse than the authorities acknowledge.
Since the beginning of the outbreak more than six months ago, the Sierra Leone Health Ministry reported only 10 confirmed Ebola deaths here in Freetown, the capital of more than one million people, and its suburbs as of Sunday — a hopeful sign that this city, unlike the capital of neighboring Liberia, had been relatively spared the ravages of the outbreak.
But the bodies pouring in to the graveyard tell a different story. In the last eight days alone, 110 Ebola victims have been buried at King Tom Cemetery, according to the supervisor, Abdul Rahman Parker, suggesting an outbreak that is much more deadly than either the government or international health officials have announced.
"I'm working with the burial team, and the first question I ask them is, 'Are they Ebola-positive?' " said Mr. Parker, adding that the figures were based on medical certificates that he had seen himself. The deaths are carefully recorded by name and date in a notebook headed "Ebola Burials."
A burial team supervisor who drove up with fresh bodies echoed Mr. Parker's assertion. "Any body we collect is a positive case," said Sorie Kessebeh. "All the bodies that we are bringing in are positive."
Beyond the many worrisome trends in the Ebola epidemic seizing parts of West Africa — the overflowing hospitals, the presence of the disease in crowded cities, the deaths of scores of health workers trying to help — another basic problem has stymied attempts to contain the disease: No one seems to know how bad the outbreak really is.
The World Health Organization acknowledged weeks ago that despite its efforts to tally the thousands of cases in the region, the official statistics probably "vastly underestimate the magnitude of the outbreak."
Here in Sierra Leone, the government just finished an aggressive national lockdown to get a handle on the epidemic, ordering the entire country to stay indoors for three days as an army of volunteers went door to door, explaining the dangers of the virus and trying to root out hidden pockets of illness.
Still, the Health Ministry spokesman insisted that the epidemic was not as bad as the flow of bodies at the cemetery suggested.
"It is not possible that all of them are Ebola-related deaths," said Sidie Yahya Tunis, the Health Ministry spokesman, saying the corpses included people who died of other causes.
But as the cemetery records show, the challenge facing the government might be of a different magnitude than previously thought.
The majority of the recent deaths recorded at the cemetery were young people — young adults, people in early middle age, or children — with very few elderly people on the list. Several of the deaths also occurred in a concentrated area, sometimes in the same house, suggesting that a virulent infection had struck.
At the house of Marion Seisay — the third name on the list — her son acknowledged she was a secretary at Wilberforce Hospital, had died of Ebola and was buried on Sept. 14. The house was now under quarantine, with some of its eight residents lingering on the cinder-block porch.
"The way my Mummy died was pathetic," said the son, Michael Foday, clearly frustrated by the quarantine. "How do you expect us to get food?"
Other houses in Wilberforce Barracks, the village-like compound surrounding the hospital, were on the list of the dead and placed under quarantine, marked off from the surrounding jumble of shacks and cinder-block houses by a thin line of red or blue string.
In one of them, the house of Momoh Lomeh, the residents said that a total of five people who lived there had died of Ebola — yet four of them did not even appear on the cemetery list. At another, the house of Andrew Mansoray, a family member said that the disease had been ruthless and unrelenting.
"It wouldn't stop," Abdul R. Kallon said of the diarrhea that Mr. Mansoray, his brother-in-law, had endured before dying. "They took him to the hospital, and they wouldn't let him out."
At another six households on the cemetery supervisor's list of the dead, residents gave similar accounts. One family said the victim had definitely died of Ebola, while five others described Ebola-like symptoms — vomiting, diarrhea, fever — though none had been given an official cause of death.
International health experts here had no explanation for the striking discrepancy between the government's tally of the dead in the capital and the cemetery crew's statistics. Several of them noted the general confusion surrounding official statistics here from the beginning, with one leading international health official saying: "We don't know exactly what is going on."
But nobody disputed that things appear to be getting worse. The W.H.O. has shown a sharp increase in new cases in Freetown in recent weeks, rising from almost none early in the summer to more than 50 during the week of Sept. 14.
Various models of the growth of the epidemic here "all show an exponential increase," said Peter H. Kilmarx, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention team in Sierra Leone. "The conditions are amenable to Ebola spread."
The goal of the government's national lockdown was to reach every household in the country, and officials claimed success in doing so on Monday, saying that progress had been made in the fight against the disease.
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But the exhaustion of the Ebola gravediggers at King Tom Cemetery, who dig as many as 16 graves a day, indicated that the disease was far from being contained.
"It's a herculean task," said Mr. Hamilton, the chief gravedigger. "It's only out of patriotism that we are doing it."
The Ebola victims were buried in an expanding stretch of fresh muddy graves under a giant cotton tree, and the makeshift arrangements are seen as a looming threat by the residents of the slum next to it. No barrier stops the pigs rooting in the adjoining trash field from digging in the fresh Ebola graves, which residents say they often do.
"We have creatures in the community, and they dig in the graves," said Henry S. Momoh, who lives in the adjoining slum, which residents call Kolleh Town. "They are burying the Ebola patients in there, but not in the proper manner."
Five yards from where the new graves begin, a well-used path connects the slum to the main road. Residents all use it, passing close to the freshly dug graves, and are frightened by the intensifying activity in the cemetery.
"Since last month, it's every day, any minute and hour, and often, they are coming" to bury the Ebola dead, said Desmond Kamara, a police officer.
A cloudy stream drains from the area of the new graves into the slum, further frightening the residents.
"We are at risk, big risk," said Ousman Kamara, a resident. "We have made many complaints."
But the bodies, he said, keep coming.
"Even at night," he said. "You stand here, and you see them coming."
Correction: September 22, 2014
A caption with an earlier version of this article misstated the sex of a possible victim of Ebola whose body was being removed from a house in Freetown, Sierra Leone. It was a man, not a woman.
If true then on the bright side first-time buyers in the S. Leone real estate market will be spoilt for choice.
If Fox is to be trusted, 550,000 cases is the CDC's low estimate, the high is 1.4 million by the end of January!
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/09/23/who-forecasts-more-than-20000-ebola-cases-by-november-2/
I am very trustworthy!
You can read the report here.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/ebola-cases-could-skyrocket-by-2015-says-cdc/1337/
Some analysis
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/health/ebola-cases-could-reach-14-million-in-4-months-cdc-estimates.html?_r=0
The above calculations leave out Guinea and just refer to S. Leone and Liberia, so presuming their calculations are correct they're hundreds of thousands of cases too low for the total outbreak.
However the calculations assume that the true number of cases is 2.5 higher than the recorded cases. I'm skeptical that the numbers are that low, which of course would magnify the exponential growth.
The fantasies within of effective intervention are laughable.
Dude with the awesome name is right, I just don't see how this is going to be able to be turned around. :(
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/23/us-health-ebola-idUSKCN0HI2A120140923
QuoteAntonio Vigilante, head of the U.N. Development Programme in Liberia, said Liberia now had 350 to 400 beds for Ebola patients, but that fell far short of the 2,000 needed.
"Even if we are at 2,000 beds two or three weeks from now, the cases we'll have in any single day may be more than that," he said.
It's time for someone to say it like it is rather than pussy footing around it.
The CDC report is decidedly optimistic.
They only cover S. Leone and Liberia, they do not count Guinea.
They estimate that there are 2.5 times as many cases as has been reported, a conservative estimate.
The report holds out hope that Western intervention will somehow hold and then reverse the tide rather than acting as speed bump that will only very temporarily delay complete Malthusian collapse.
How could we possibly build enough beds and more importantly man them with enough health care workers to treat 3,400 daily cases, let alone 10 or 25 thousand? This is a complete fantasy.
http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/chasing-ebola/380456/ (http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/chasing-ebola/380456/)
QuoteIf they are able to increase the percentage from 10 to 13 starting today, hit 25 percent on October 23, 40 percent on November 22, and the 70-percent goal by December 22, the outbreak will peak at up to 3,408 daily cases, and will drop to less than 300 daily cases by late January.
If they don't start increasing from 10 to 13 percent until October 23, there could be 10,646 daily cases (accounting for underreporting), and if it's pushed back to November 22, there could be 25,847 daily cases by January 20, 2015, according to the CDC's Ebola Response model. In that case, there could be more than 1.4 million cases of Ebola in two countries with a combined population of approximately 10.4 million people.
It is time to face facts. In the absence of a literal miracle in which the behavior of the virus changes in an unexpected and positive way, then Liberia and Sierra Leone will be completely destroyed in a way that no nation has since the Spanish inadvertently brought smallpox and measles to the New World.
If three quarters of the population of S. Leone, Liberia and Guinea contract the virus and 70% die that's 52.5% off the population dead just from that. That's 11 million people. How many more will die from starvation, other diseases and injuries that can no longer be treated, and conflict over dwindling food and medical supplies?
A 70% die off of the population is not unthinkable.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2014, 02:29:12 AM
It's time for someone to say it like it is rather than pussy footing around it.
Yes. The virus will spread throughout the entire world, with varying results.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 23, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
Dude with the awesome name is right, I just don't see how this is going to be able to be turned around. :(
. Tony Vigilante? :lol: That's just too cool for school.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2014, 02:29:12 AM
They only cover S. Leone and Liberia, they do not count Guinea.
I always wondered how Sergio died :(
So Howie survived?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2014, 02:29:12 AM
If three quarters of the population of S. Leone, Liberia and Guinea contract the virus and 70% die that's 52.5% off the population dead just from that. That's 11 million people. How many more will die from starvation, other diseases and injuries that can no longer be treated, and conflict over dwindling food and medical supplies?
The 70% in the article reference the number of patients in quarantine. The article gives a figure of 550.000-1.400.000 victims. That's admittedly terrible, but way short of your number.
Quote from: derspiess on September 24, 2014, 10:57:20 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2014, 02:29:12 AM
They only cover S. Leone and Liberia, they do not count Guinea.
I always wondered how Sergio died :(
Well, that's what it looked like, but actually the Man With No Name was on a nearby hill and shot out the Ebola just as it was about to kill Sergio, and Sergio and the MWNN rode off into the sunset together.
Quote from: Zanza on September 24, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2014, 02:29:12 AM
If three quarters of the population of S. Leone, Liberia and Guinea contract the virus and 70% die that's 52.5% off the population dead just from that. That's 11 million people. How many more will die from starvation, other diseases and injuries that can no longer be treated, and conflict over dwindling food and medical supplies?
The 70% in the article reference the number of patients in quarantine. The article gives a figure of 550.000-1.400.000 victims. That's admittedly terrible, but way short of your number.
Once hundreds of thousands have contracted the disease there will be no stopping it from spreading throughout the population until it burns out. What I wrote is just an extrapolation of that.
The New York Times reporting what any with common sense knows, international intervention is too little and far to late. Too few health care workers will volunteer to go there due to fear, and setting up and most importantly training enough health care workers to man them is logistically impossible.
TLDR: Liberia is doomed.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/world/africa/liberia-ebola-victims-treatment-center-cdc.html?_r=0&referrer=
QuoteHome Deaths Spread Circle of Contagion
By NORIMITSU ONISHI
September 24, 2014
MONROVIA, Liberia — The family of the sick man, who had endured Ebola's telltale symptoms for six days, took him by taxi to treatment centers here in the capital twice, only to be turned back at the gate each time for lack of beds. He died at home, his arms thrashing violently and blood spewing out his mouth, in front of his sons.
"We had to carry him home two times because they could do nothing for us," said Eric Gweah, 25, as a team of body collectors came to retrieve the corpse of his father, Ofori Gweah, 62. "The only thing the government can do is come for bodies. They are killing us."
So many Ebola victims are dying at home because of the severe shortage of treatment centers here in Monrovia, Liberia's capital, that they are infecting family members, neighbors and others in a ballooning circle of contagion.
Only 18 percent of Ebola patients in Liberia are being cared for in hospitals or other settings that reduce the risk of transmission by isolating them from the rest of the population, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Unless that rate reaches 70 percent, the center predicted this week, Ebola cases will keep soaring.
In its worst-case estimate, Liberia and Sierra Leone, two of the three West African nations hit hardest by the outbreak, could face 1.4 million infections by Jan. 20 — more than 10 percent of their combined populations of about 10.3 million.
In the coming weeks, the United States military will try to overhaul the fight against Ebola in Liberia, home to 1,580 of the 2,800 Ebola deaths so far recorded in West Africa. The 3,000-strong American mission will not treat patients, but will build as many as 17 treatment centers, with a total of 1,700 beds, and try to train 500 health workers a week.
But building the centers is expected to take weeks and it is unclear who will run them, especially since the disease has decimated Liberia's already weak health care system and the fear of Ebola has long kept many international aid workers away.
"I've worked in many crises for more than 20 years, and it's the first time I can see a situation that nobody wants to come," said Jean-Pierre Veyrenche, who is heading the World Health Organization's efforts to build treatment centers here. "There's plenty of money, so that's not the issue."
"People are afraid to come — that's it," he added.
With treatment beds overflowing, the government is often left to simply pick up the bodies of the dead. As its six teams of body collectors crisscross this capital of 1.5 million people, navigating cratered streets left over from the 14-year civil war that ended in 2003, they encounter a city that is likely to remain at the mercy of Ebola for weeks, perhaps months.
Every day, each team retrieves a half-dozen to a couple of dozen bodies, delivering them to a crematorium at the end of the day.
The body collectors who came to pick up Mr. Gweah had descended to the compound where he lived four times in the past four weeks, down a steep cliff to a riverside area called Rockspring Valley. Each week, they had picked up a body that passed on the Ebola virus to the next person, and now Mr. Gweah's was the fifth body. The crowd, seething beneath a sky of low clouds, erupted in anger.
"If the government can't work it out, let them give it up," said Marvin Gweah, 28, another son. "Let the international community handle this."
Five body collectors in full protective suits clambered up the cliff in the rain, carrying his father's body in a black plastic bag, resting to readjust their grip, and steadying themselves on the slippery path. Eric Gweah, his face twisted in anguish, led the way, shrieking "Papa!" and throwing his hands up in the air, nearly losing his footing.
"Stand up! Stand up!" a woman following the body collectors shouted at another woman who had fainted. A cacophony of wailing and sobbing rose as all of Rockspring Valley below seemed to sway in grief.
A new 120-bed treatment center, Island Clinic, operated by Liberian health workers under the W.H.O., opened here on Sunday, bringing Liberia's total beds to 450. The agency is hoping to open two additional centers with a total of 400 beds here in the capital over the next month, but is unable to find international workers to operate them, Mr. Veyrenche said.
Last week in Bong County, in central Liberia, the International Medical Corps began operating a treatment center built by Save the Children. The Medical Corps and Doctors Without Borders are the only international organizations operating treatment centers in Liberia.
Sean Casey, the leader of the Medical Corps in Liberia, said he hoped to increase the center's current capacity of 10 beds to 70 beds over the next six weeks. But because of the fear of Ebola and the time commitment required of foreign volunteers, the organization has been unable to draw doctors and nurses from its usual pool, he said. The organization is recruiting health workers for the first time in the Philippines, Jordan and Ethiopia.
Like most experts here, Mr. Casey was skeptical of the American military's plans to find and train 500 health workers a week.
"It took us a few weeks to just open 10 beds," he said. "It worries me that some of their facilities will be open before they're ready."
Here in Monrovia, the first city to face Ebola's full onslaught since the virus was discovered in 1976, entire families are dying at home, unable to get a ride in one of the city's few ambulances or gain admission to overcrowded treatment or holding centers.
"We came here for the husband last week, we're back today for the wife, and maybe next week we'll be back for the children," said Alexander Nyanti, 23, a body collector who was picking up the corpse of Lorpu David, 30, in a central Monrovia neighborhood off Gurley Street.
A week earlier, his team visited the same house to retrieve the body of her husband, Sam David, the first Ebola death in that community. The couple shared one room with their two children and the wife's younger sister.
"The little boy is not feeling all right," John Sackie, the community's chairman, said as four collectors pulled Ms. David out of a dark room in the back of the house, each grasping a limb.
Others from the community may have been exposed. Teddy Momo, 36, the husband's nephew, said he had taken the ailing Ms. David to an Ebola treatment center, riding in the front passenger seat of a taxi as Ms. David shared the back with her two children and sister.
Turned away because of a lack of beds, they took the taxi back to Gurley Street. But Ms. David slipped and hit her chin on a rocky path leading to her house; a neighbor carried her home, where she died immediately, Mr. Momo said.
Even if there were enough treatment centers, not all families would send their sick relatives to them. Deeply distrustful of the government and fearful of becoming social outcasts, families often lie about the cause of death, furthering the contagion throughout their communities.
In front of the gate at the John F. Kennedy Medical Center's maternity ward, a pregnant woman lay dead in the back seat of a taxi. She had died during labor and did not suffer from Ebola, her family insisted. But a hospital worker said the woman had been bleeding from her mouth, so she had been turned away from the maternity ward. When the body collectors finally opened the taxi door, they found that she had vomited blood.
In the Matadi neighborhood, community leaders, including a member of the local Ebola task force, said emphatically that another death, of a 24-year-old man, had resulted from epilepsy. But again, the body collectors found blood coming from his mouth, more evidence of the virus.
In a neighborhood called PHP, community leaders who had gathered in a mosque explained that a 75-year-old woman had died of a stroke. Absolutely no Ebola, they said, as Mark Korvayan, 37, the leader of a team of body collectors, nodded.
But as his team went to pick up the body from a dank room, Mr. Korvayan said that he had picked up the woman's daughter and nephew from the same room in the past month.
"They're trying to cover it up," he said. "It's our third time here."
As he had often seen, this community, caught up in its own denials, continued to engage in funeral practices that helped spread Ebola, he said. "They told me that somebody even bathed the old woman's body."
Don't worry, Tim. Our PM told the UN assembly that "Ebola in Western Africa is not a local challenge, it's a global crisis". This should be over soon now; we're sending a ship.
The world gets to see how things go when the West isn't involved, or is barely involved. Let it be a rude awakening for the West's many detractors
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 25, 2014, 05:16:47 AM
The world gets to see how things go when the West isn't involved, or is barely involved. Let it be a rude awakening for the West's many detractors
We'll just be criticized for not intervening in time. That's just how it goes.
Tim, i'm surprised Ebola-chan's got you so worked up. You realize this is, of course, merely an African matter?
Looks like the Liberian health care system has finally given up the ghost and completely collapsed.
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/134771/1/roadmapsitrep_24Sept2014_eng.pdf?ua=1
QuoteThe fall in the number of new cases shown in figure 1 is largely attributable to a sharp drop in the number of confirmed new cases reported from Liberia. Notably, there were no new reported confirmed cases from the capital, Monrovia, which in previous weeks has reported a surge in cases.
These data differ from credible reports obtained from responders in Liberia, who indicate a deterioration of the situation in the country, and in Monrovia in particular. In addition, there have been a large number of suspected new cases (and deaths among suspected cases) reported from Liberia over the past week, which are not included in Figure 1, but are set out in table 1.
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 25, 2014, 06:27:38 AM
Tim, i'm surprised Ebola-chan's got you so worked up. You realize this is, of course, merely an African matter?
Nope, it's definitely going blow up in some other 3rd world slum somewhere, whether in south/southeast Asia or Latin America.
Also,
Fate Lied, Millions Died! Quote from: Fate on March 23, 2014, 11:39:39 PM
Meh. Since the initial 1967 outbreak Ebola and Marburg have only killed 3000 people. Ebola doesn't spread quickly because it requires direct contact with the host's fluids to become infected. You don't need Outbreak style spacesuits to prevent spread. Gloves and gown are enough.
It'd be much more contagious if it spread via a fecal-oral route like polio or respiratory droplets like influenza.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 25, 2014, 06:36:48 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 25, 2014, 06:27:38 AM
Tim, i'm surprised Ebola-chan's got you so worked up. You realize this is, of course, merely an African matter?
Nope, it's definitely going blow up in some other 3rd world slum somewhere, whether in south/southeast Asia or Latin America.
I can see why you are worried then, but I don't suppose America will stand by and let Puerto Rico writhe in anguish.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 25, 2014, 05:16:47 AM
The world gets to see how things go when the West isn't involved, or is barely involved. Let it be a rude awakening for the West's many detractors
They'll just end up hating us even more. :mellow:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 25, 2014, 06:36:48 AM
Nope, it's definitely going blow up in some other 3rd world slum somewhere, whether in south/southeast Asia or Latin America.
:hmm:
I don't think there is much population exchange between slums in Monrovia and slums in say Rio de Janeiro.
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 25, 2014, 06:50:33 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 25, 2014, 06:36:48 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 25, 2014, 06:27:38 AM
Tim, i'm surprised Ebola-chan's got you so worked up. You realize this is, of course, merely an African matter?
Nope, it's definitely going blow up in some other 3rd world slum somewhere, whether in south/southeast Asia or Latin America.
I can see why you are worried then, but I don't suppose America will stand by and let Puerto Rico writhe in anguish.
:mad:
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 25, 2014, 06:50:33 AM
I can see why you are worried then, but I don't suppose America will stand by and let Puerto Rico writhe in anguish.
Even Puerto Ricans have more sense than West African witch doctor worshippers.
They dont bathe their dead with the whole family present, they just drop the suspension and put an oversized spoiler on the corpse.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2014, 07:31:25 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 25, 2014, 06:50:33 AM
I can see why you are worried then, but I don't suppose America will stand by and let Puerto Rico writhe in anguish.
Even Puerto Ricans have more sense than West African witch doctor worshippers.
But Cubans don't; so Miami is doomed. :(
QuoteThey dont bathe their dead with the whole family present, they just drop the suspension and put an oversized spoiler on the corpse.
Heh
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2014, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: Zanza on September 24, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2014, 02:29:12 AM
If three quarters of the population of S. Leone, Liberia and Guinea contract the virus and 70% die that's 52.5% off the population dead just from that. That's 11 million people. How many more will die from starvation, other diseases and injuries that can no longer be treated, and conflict over dwindling food and medical supplies?
The 70% in the article reference the number of patients in quarantine. The article gives a figure of 550.000-1.400.000 victims. That's admittedly terrible, but way short of your number.
Once hundreds of thousands have contracted the disease there will be no stopping it from spreading throughout the population until it burns out. What I wrote is just an extrapolation of that.
What you wrote is an extrapolation of the extrapolation in the article based on an erronous understanding of what the article talks about.
You're talking like that's a bad thing.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 25, 2014, 06:08:45 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 25, 2014, 05:16:47 AM
The world gets to see how things go when the West isn't involved, or is barely involved. Let it be a rude awakening for the West's many detractors
We'll just be criticized for not intervening in time. That's just how it goes.
I'm okay with that criticism.
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 25, 2014, 06:50:33 AM
I can see why you are worried then, but I don't suppose America will stand by and let Puerto Rico writhe in anguish.
I think we should let them write in English. Or Spanish. Just not that weird Spanglish they speak.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2014, 07:31:25 AM
They dont bathe their dead with the whole family present, they just drop the suspension and put an oversized spoiler on the corpse.
:lol:
Quote from: Zanza on September 25, 2014, 08:25:52 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2014, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: Zanza on September 24, 2014, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 24, 2014, 02:29:12 AM
If three quarters of the population of S. Leone, Liberia and Guinea contract the virus and 70% die that's 52.5% off the population dead just from that. That's 11 million people. How many more will die from starvation, other diseases and injuries that can no longer be treated, and conflict over dwindling food and medical supplies?
The 70% in the article reference the number of patients in quarantine. The article gives a figure of 550.000-1.400.000 victims. That's admittedly terrible, but way short of your number.
Once hundreds of thousands have contracted the disease there will be no stopping it from spreading throughout the population until it burns out. What I wrote is just an extrapolation of that.
What you wrote is an extrapolation of the extrapolation in the article based on an erronous understanding of what the article talks about.
The fatality rate of confirmed cases was recently listed as 71 percent by the WHO. My numbers had nothing to do with the quarantine number.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 25, 2014, 06:36:48 AM
Also, Fate Lied, Millions Died!
Quote from: Fate on March 23, 2014, 11:39:39 PM
Meh. Since the initial 1967 outbreak Ebola and Marburg have only killed 3000 people. Ebola doesn't spread quickly because it requires direct contact with the host's fluids to become infected. You don't need Outbreak style spacesuits to prevent spread. Gloves and gown are enough.
It'd be much more contagious if it spread via a fecal-oral route like polio or respiratory droplets like influenza.
That's because Fate relied on an average morbidity rate going all the way back to 67, when there was no treatment. Advances in treatment haven't led to a consistent cure, but slower onset of death. Meaning longer periods of contagion, and a potential exponential increase in exposure.
We're not curing them, we're keeping them around longer to infect more people.
Most people are getting no treatment at all. This whole thing has been caused by distrust of authorities, traditional practices that happen to spread the disease, much greater population density, crushing poverty and nonexistent health care infrastructure.
Quote from: Caliga on September 25, 2014, 07:14:39 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 25, 2014, 06:36:48 AM
Nope, it's definitely going blow up in some other 3rd world slum somewhere, whether in south/southeast Asia or Latin America.
:hmm:
I don't think there is much population exchange between slums in Monrovia and slums in say Rio de Janeiro.
Monrovia, no. Port Harcourt, yes. If the disease spreads down to that area (more than the isolated cases noted so far) there is significant danger of oilfield workers bringing it home with them.
there hasn't been an ebola outbreak like this before, correct? so, isn't it difficult to say exactly how it will progress over the next year? people and communities adapt, so i suspect the trajectory of the outbreak isn't going to play out the way authorities suggest.
Really skeptical about that Guinea news. Why should we believe that the decline is real rather than it being a breakdown in government tracking and or the refusal of citizens to cooperate?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/world/africa/ebola-epidemic-sierra-leone-quarantine.html?_r=1
QuoteEbola Epidemic Worsening, Sierra Leone Increases Quarantine Restrictions
By ADAM NOSSITERSEPT. 25, 2014
FREETOWN, Sierra Leone — Acknowledging that the Ebola epidemic sweeping Sierra Leone was worsening, officials here put hundreds of thousands more citizens under quarantine on Thursday, sealing off more than a quarter of the country and warning travelers not to get out of their vehicles in the districts under isolation.
Nearly all of the country's 14 districts are now under either total or partial quarantine, with over one million people affected, as the disease advances into new areas. Infection rates have been rising in the capital, Freetown, a dangerous development because of the city's density.
In an address to citizens late Wednesday night, President Ernest Bai Koroma acknowledged that the new quarantine orders would "definitely pose great difficulties for our people," but he suggested that officials had little choice. Makeni, the largest city in the country's Northern Province, is in one of the newly quarantined districts, and foreign health care workers are particularly worried about a surge in infections there.
In what appeared to be an acknowledgment that official statistics had so far been misleading, the government said the country's plight was "worse than what was being reflected in reports," adding that there was a "desperate need to step up our response."
A Western diplomat here called Mr. Koroma's newest restrictive order, coming after a three-day national lockdown that required every citizen to stay inside, "a mitigating measure reacting to a worsening situation." The diplomat added, "Tahe numbers are not getting better."
The World Health Organization, echoing the government's increasingly worried tone, said Thursday that the "situation in Sierra Leone continues to deteriorate," noting a "sharp increase" in new Ebola cases in Freetown, rising to more than 80 for the week ending Sept. 21.
The W.H.O. said Thursday that there had been 597 deaths in the country and 1,940 Ebola cases, nearly a third of the total for the three West African countries most affected; the other two are Guinea and Liberia.
Over all, the W.H.O. reported, there have been 2,917 deaths from Ebola. At least 2,909 people have died in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, with 6,242 reported Ebola cases over all, according to its latest report. Nigeria and Senegal have recorded a total of eight deaths and 21 cases of infection.
The numbers for Sierra Leone come from the Ministry of Health, and diplomats and international health officials say they are largely inaccurate, substantially underplaying the gravity of the situation on the ground. "Even a 2-year-old child can look at them and see they don't add up," the Western diplomat here said.
The W.H.O. added a veiled caveat to the statistics in its latest report as in the preceding one, saying that they were "subject to change" because of "ongoing reclassification." Indeed cemetery workers here in the capital report that Ebola deaths far exceed what the government has so far acknowledged.
In contrast, in Guinea, the W.H.O. reported, the number of new cases appears to be rising more slowly.
"The situation in Guinea, although still of grave concern, appears to have stabilized," the W.H.O. said, observing that the number of new cases in the capital, Conakry, was moderate and stable.
The outbreaks in Nigeria and Senegal were "pretty much contained," the health organization's Africa office reported this week, noting that Senegal had recorded only one case of infection at the end of August, and that Nigeria had not found any new cases since Sept. 8.
The streets of Sierra Leone remained uncharacteristically quiet and uncongested Thursday, three days after the government completed the national lockdown intended to "sensitize" citizens on Ebola's dangers and to root out hidden cases. Officials acknowledge that the economic slowdown because of Ebola continues to bite hard.
Mr. Koroma pronounced the lockdown a success, saying it had "achieved its objectives." But with the latest measures, it seemed clear that the government was determined to go further, adding new restrictions to citizens' movements.
With hospital beds well below what are needed for the number of cases, a national health care system that is "invisible," as one leading foreign medical worker here put it, and the international response only now gearing up, the government here is left to pursue the only means at its disposal: coercion.
Travel through the districts under isolation to those that are not is now restricted to the hours between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. In individual infected chiefdoms — traditional administrative units — within the newly quarantined districts, Mr. Koroma took the extraordinary step of warning citizens not to "travel to any other chiefdom until further notice."
The president, sounding grim, said in his speech that "the life of everyone and the survival of our country take precedence" over whatever hardships the latest measures might impose. He vowed to "overcome and free our land from this evil virus."
Quote from: LaCroix on September 25, 2014, 11:09:30 AM
there hasn't been an ebola outbreak like this before, correct? so, isn't it difficult to say exactly how it will progress over the next year? people and communities adapt, so i suspect the trajectory of the outbreak isn't going to play out the way authorities suggest.
Some people like to panic. Like Tim.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2014, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on September 25, 2014, 11:09:30 AM
there hasn't been an ebola outbreak like this before, correct? so, isn't it difficult to say exactly how it will progress over the next year? people and communities adapt, so i suspect the trajectory of the outbreak isn't going to play out the way authorities suggest.
Some people like to panic. Like Tim.
Is he really even panicking? Just seems like he's gleefully pasting various articles about doomsday.
Gleefully panicking, then.
US is spending 750 million. EU is spending 15.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 25, 2014, 12:42:30 PM
US is spending 750 million. EU is spending 15.
Are you sure about those numbers? Denmark alone is spending about 10 million dollars.
Quote from: Liep on September 25, 2014, 12:43:43 PM
Are you sure about those numbers? Denmark alone is sending about 10 million dollars.
The EU number is from the EU budget, and doesn't include individual country contributions.
The article I read only mentioned Germany's 2 million.
10 from Denmark is nice.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 25, 2014, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 25, 2014, 12:43:43 PM
Are you sure about those numbers? Denmark alone is sending about 10 million dollars.
The EU number is from the EU budget, and doesn't include individual country contributions.
The article I read only mentioned Germany's 2 million.
10 from Denmark is nice.
The EU contributed $180m three weeks ago (http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-520_en.htm). As of today, they have contributed $205m[1], with another $40m promised (http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-14-629_en.htm). This is all just from the EU budget, too; member states are making major separate contributions as well. Your source is way, way off on the EU contributions.
[1] That includes the money they sent to the WHO and MSF.
That's like, your opinion man.
I could have misread.
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 25, 2014, 06:27:38 AM
Tim, i'm surprised Ebola-chan's got you so worked up. You realize this is, of course, merely an African matter?
Has Japan already closed its ports? :huh:
Dead Ebola victims are resurrecting. Not sure if it's a good thing or bad thing.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201409240829.html
QuoteLiberia: Dead Ebola Patients Resurrect?
By Franklin Doloquee
Two Ebola patients, who died of the virus in separate communities in Nimba County have reportedly resurrected in the county. The victims, both females, believed to be in their 60s and 40s respectively, died of the Ebola virus recently in Hope Village Community and the Catholic Community in Ganta, Nimba.
But to the amazement of residents and onlookers on Monday, the deceased reportedly regained life in total disbelief. The New Dawn Nimba County correspondent said the late Dorris Quoi of Hope Village Community and the second victim only identified as Ma Kebeh, said to be in her late 60s, were about to be taken for burial when they resurrected.
Ma Kebeh had reportedly been in door for two nights without food and medication before her alleged death. Nimba County has had bizarre news of Ebola cases with a native doctor from the county, who claimed that he could cure infected victims, dying of the virus himself last week.
News of the resurrection of the two victims has reportedly created panic in residents of Hope Village Community and Ganta at large, with some citizens describing Dorris Quoi as a ghost, who shouldn't live among them. Since the Ebola outbreak in Nimba County, this is the first incident of dead victims resurrecting.
The zombiepocalypse is upon us! :w00t:
Now those who did it are on cd.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2014, 04:18:21 PM
Dead Ebola victims are resurrecting. Not sure if it's a good thing or bad thing.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201409240829.html
QuoteLiberia: Dead Ebola Patients Resurrect?
By Franklin Doloquee
Two Ebola patients, who died of the virus in separate communities in Nimba County have reportedly resurrected in the county. The victims, both females, believed to be in their 60s and 40s respectively, died of the Ebola virus recently in Hope Village Community and the Catholic Community in Ganta, Nimba.
But to the amazement of residents and onlookers on Monday, the deceased reportedly regained life in total disbelief. The New Dawn Nimba County correspondent said the late Dorris Quoi of Hope Village Community and the second victim only identified as Ma Kebeh, said to be in her late 60s, were about to be taken for burial when they resurrected.
Ma Kebeh had reportedly been in door for two nights without food and medication before her alleged death. Nimba County has had bizarre news of Ebola cases with a native doctor from the county, who claimed that he could cure infected victims, dying of the virus himself last week.
News of the resurrection of the two victims has reportedly created panic in residents of Hope Village Community and Ganta at large, with some citizens describing Dorris Quoi as a ghost, who shouldn't live among them. Since the Ebola outbreak in Nimba County, this is the first incident of dead victims resurrecting.
Time to buy 3000 more rounds. And a crossbow.
Quote from: garbon on September 25, 2014, 12:36:40 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2014, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on September 25, 2014, 11:09:30 AM
there hasn't been an ebola outbreak like this before, correct? so, isn't it difficult to say exactly how it will progress over the next year? people and communities adapt, so i suspect the trajectory of the outbreak isn't going to play out the way authorities suggest.
Some people like to panic. Like Tim.
Is he really even panicking? Just seems like he's gleefully pasting various articles about doomsday.
I don't see what's gleeful about it! :angry:
EDIT:
The numbers from the S. Leone three day quarantine are much greater than first reported. :(
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/25/ebola-epidemic-sierra-leone-quarantine-un-united-nations (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/25/ebola-epidemic-sierra-leone-quarantine-un-united-nations)
QuoteDoor-to-door searches during the three-day curfew in Sierra Leone identified more than 350 suspected new cases of Ebola, according by the top US diplomat in the country. Charge d'affairs Kathleen Fitzgibbon said teams of volunteers had also discovered 265 corpses, of which 216 had since been buried.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 25, 2014, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 25, 2014, 12:36:40 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2014, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on September 25, 2014, 11:09:30 AM
there hasn't been an ebola outbreak like this before, correct? so, isn't it difficult to say exactly how it will progress over the next year? people and communities adapt, so i suspect the trajectory of the outbreak isn't going to play out the way authorities suggest.
Some people like to panic. Like Tim.
Is he really even panicking? Just seems like he's gleefully pasting various articles about doomsday.
I don't see what's gleeful about it! :angry:
Well, of course not. If you did, you'd be mortified at how gauche you've been.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2014, 04:18:21 PM
Dead Ebola victims are resurrecting. Not sure if it's a good thing or bad thing.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201409240829.html
QuoteLiberia: Dead Ebola Patients Resurrect?
By Franklin Doloquee
Two Ebola patients, who died of the virus in separate communities in Nimba County have reportedly resurrected in the county. The victims, both females, believed to be in their 60s and 40s respectively, died of the Ebola virus recently in Hope Village Community and the Catholic Community in Ganta, Nimba.
But to the amazement of residents and onlookers on Monday, the deceased reportedly regained life in total disbelief. The New Dawn Nimba County correspondent said the late Dorris Quoi of Hope Village Community and the second victim only identified as Ma Kebeh, said to be in her late 60s, were about to be taken for burial when they resurrected.
Ma Kebeh had reportedly been in door for two nights without food and medication before her alleged death. Nimba County has had bizarre news of Ebola cases with a native doctor from the county, who claimed that he could cure infected victims, dying of the virus himself last week.
News of the resurrection of the two victims has reportedly created panic in residents of Hope Village Community and Ganta at large, with some citizens describing Dorris Quoi as a ghost, who shouldn't live among them. Since the Ebola outbreak in Nimba County, this is the first incident of dead victims resurrecting.
who could tell anyway, they all look alike :p
Is this dude just unhinged, or do you think he's purposefully spreading misinformation with the intent of killing more people?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/26/an-american-professor-is-telling-liberians-that-the-u-s-manufactured-ebola-outbreak/?tid=hp_mm&hpid=z3 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/26/an-american-professor-is-telling-liberians-that-the-u-s-manufactured-ebola-outbreak/?tid=hp_mm&hpid=z3)
QuoteA professor in U.S. is telling Liberians that the Defense Department 'manufactured' Ebola
By Terrence McCoy September 26 at 3:17 AM
Last week, President Obama announced an ambitious — and expensive — plan that effectively placed the U.S. military at the forefront of the global fight against the worst Ebola outbreak in history. In an effort that could cost as much as $750 million in the next six months, he assigned up to 3,000 military personnel to West Africa to "combat and contain" what officials call "an extraordinarily serious epidemic."
As those military doctors and officials begin what will be a difficult task, among the challenges they face are rumors that spread fear — fear of Ebola, fear of quarantine measures and fear of doctors. Already, several medical workers have been murdered in Guinea — throats slit, bodies dumped in a latrine. Then six Red Cross volunteers were attacked earlier this week while they tried to collect the body of an Ebola victim.
And now, in what may plant further seeds of mistrust and suspicion, a major Liberian newspaper, the Daily Observer, has published an article by a Liberian-born faculty member of a U.S. university implying the epidemic is the result of bioterrorism experiments conducted by the United States Department of Defense, among others.
And while some commenting on the article were critical, the number who praised it was telling. "They are using" Ebola, wrote one, "for culling the world population mainly Africa for the...purpose of gaining control of the Africans resources criminally."
The piece purports to describe scientific findings from various "reports," which are not cited in detail, and even references the bestselling thriller, "The Hot Zone."
"Reports narrate stories of the US Department of Defense (DoD) funding Ebola trials on humans, trials which started just weeks before the Ebola outbreak in Guinea and Sierra Leone," wrote Delaware State University associate professor Cyril Broderick.
Under the headline, "Ebola, AIDS Manufactured by Western Pharmaceuticals, US DoD?", it says: "the U.S., Canada, France, and the U.K. are all implicated in the detestable and devilish deeds that these Ebola tests are. There is a need to pursue criminal and civil redress for damages."
Worse, in the same breath, the semi-intelligible article suggests groups trying to stop the epidemic — Centers for Disease Control, the World Health Organization and Doctors Without Borders — are all somehow in on it. The piece puts them on a list of those "implicated in selecting and enticing African countries to participate in the testing events."
Broderick, who is listed as an associate professor in the Department of Agriculture and Natural Resources at Delaware State University, defended his article in a brief interview with The Washington Post. "There are many references to what was contained in my letter," he said. "You may read the letter and double-check the sources listed. They are available and legitimate."
But are they? Broderick drew on research published in several conspiracy Web sites, including Global Research and Liberty Beacon. He discussed a 1996 book called "Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola — Nature, Accident or Intentional?," written by a man who called himself a "humanitarian, clinician, prophet, scholar and natural healer." One of Broderick's sources claimed Tulane University, which once worked on test kits for hemorrhagic fever in West Africa, has "been active in the African areas where Ebola is said to have broken out in 2014."
"Ebola has a terrible history, and testing has been secretly taking place in Africa," Broderick wrote, going on to praise the famous Ebola account "The Hot Zone" as "heart-rending," but written "to be politically correct."
Broderick declined to answer whether he is concerned his article, published in Liberia's Ebola-devastated capital, would convince locals that Western doctors are trying to harm them. "I refer you to the articles and reports published," he said. "I hope you can understand them. They are unambiguous. I am happy that our government has taken the lead in counteracting the infection to curtail the infections and death."
His claims represent a pervasive, pernicious and crippling problem facing the fight against Ebola: misinformation. Across Liberia and Sierra Leone, where the CDC fears Ebola could eventually infect 1.4 million people, there is such distrust of the medical community that some don't even think Ebola exists.
Some in West Africa, reported the Economist, "fear that the government wants to sell the blood of Ebola patients, or that it will remove patients' limbs for ritual purposes. Others think health workers will inject them with Ebola; or that the ubiquitous chlorine disinfectant spray will give them the disease; or simply the virus is an invention to help the government bring in donations."
Broderick's article played on those fears — and attempted to substantiate them. By drawing from conspiracy-obsessed American sources — one of which said the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were planned by the American elite — its author took rumors circulating in the United States and injected them squarely into the most Ebola-ravaged place on Earth.
Such rumors are "commonplace" in Liberia's capital, according to Ramen IR, an international affairs blog: "They become strengthened through mass dissemination and the credibility gained through publication. The public is then mobilized through misinformation. This tendency is especially high in post-conflict zone like Liberia, where the 14-year civil war still fills the country with memories of violence distrust."
"Unfortunately," Ramen IR wrote, "articles like Dr. Broderick's commonly circulate in Liberia's local media."
Many readers of the article were equally critical of Broderick's reasoning. "These are the kinds of publications which are going to do more harm to our fight against Ebola than good," one said. "Dr. Broderick could have waited till this thing was contained before publishing his speculations. Dr. Broderick has inadvertently placed an anti-Ebola weapon in the hands of ebola skeptics!"
Said another: "My God, this is why Liberians will continue to die, they can believe every half wit who writes with a dictionary and a cut and paste right click of the mouse. Dr. Broderick, I felt sorry for you but I am angry, amazed, and totally shocked at your ignorance."
"It does not take research to discover this professor is a crack pot," wrote another.
But see also: "This paper is creating awareness so that African will refuse any vacination as a biogun that they manufacture and use as a weapon of mass destruction only to anihilate African race."
And, "aids and ebola are perfect examples of recent forays into the germ warefare research the US is pursuing."
Well, he is a doctor. At Del State, no less.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 09:57:32 AM
Well, he is a doctor. At Del State, no less.
:lol:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/26/delaware-state-wont-interfere-with-free-speech-of-professor-spreading-ebola-conspiracy-theories/
QuoteOfficials at the university first became aware of Broderick's article on Friday, after The Post reported on its contents, Holmes said.
He declined to comment on whether the university had spoken to Broderick, citing a policy of keeping "personnel issues" private.
"A lot of people can have tenure at a university and then they'll go out and commit mass murder, okay," Holmes said. "We didn't know that they would do that before they were granted tenure.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 26, 2014, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 09:57:32 AM
Well, he is a doctor. At Del State, no less.
:lol:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/26/delaware-state-wont-interfere-with-free-speech-of-professor-spreading-ebola-conspiracy-theories/
QuoteOfficials at the university first became aware of Broderick's article on Friday, after The Post reported on its contents, Holmes said.
He declined to comment on whether the university had spoken to Broderick, citing a policy of keeping "personnel issues" private.
"A lot of people can have tenure at a university and then they'll go out and commit mass murder, okay," Holmes said. "We didn't know that they would do that before they were granted tenure.
This out 'onions' The Onion, save it's real life and he's a truly despicable person.
I think I'd put him the same circle of hell as the British guy convicted of selling fake bomb detectors to the Iraqi police/military.
Those 1700 beds were pledged about two weeks ago right? So they won't open until at least November and I'm skeptical they'll be properly manned. Whatever I read it's constantly reinforcing the idea that there's no hope.
I'm surprised that the level of doom and gloom in the media is still so low. You'd think someone, the British tabloids at least, would see a market in selling the grisly truth. And if happily the projections turn out wrong they can just point to the peer reviewed studies they quoted and blame them. It's just so odd that the media which loves to over hype the smallest things is being so blase about the biggest disaster since 1945.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/lack-of-ebola-volunteers-has-doctors-scrambling-to-catch-up/article20816857/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/lack-of-ebola-volunteers-has-doctors-scrambling-to-catch-up/article20816857/)
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Lack of Ebola volunteers has doctors scrambling to catch up
DONALD G. McNEIL JR.
The New York Times News Service
Published Friday, Sep. 26 2014, 7:16 PM EDT
Last updated Friday, Sep. 26 2014, 7:32 PM EDT
Doctors and nurses are finally volunteering to fight the Ebola virus in West Africa after a long period of paralyzing fear in which almost none stepped forward.
But, experts say, even though money is now pouring in from the World Bank, the Gates Foundation and elsewhere, and the U.S. Army is to start erecting field hospitals soon, there is likely to be a long gap before those hospitals can be fully staffed to care for the growing numbers of people sick with Ebola.
"As a result, thousands of people will die," Dr. Joanne Liu, president of Médecins sans frontières (Doctors Without Borders), which treats more patients than any other entity, said Friday. "I can't say the exact figure because we don't know how many unreported cases there are. But thousands for sure."
Because months went by this summer in which almost no volunteers could be found, and because it takes time to train them and get them to Africa, there remains a yawning gap between the number of medical professionals needed and those in place to do the work. Each 100-bed hospital needs a staff of 400, about 40 of whom are foreign doctors or nurses. Meanwhile, about 600 Ebola cases are being recorded every week, according to the World Health Organization, and that number doubles every three weeks.
"If we had 1,700 staffed beds right now, we could maybe turn the tide," Dr. Liu said. "When we hear the pledges, we ask for timelines. Some say eight to 10 weeks. They're going to wake up to a much bigger problem at Christmas."
The first U.S. troops with orders to build 17 100-bed hospitals are arriving in Liberia now. Other countries, particularly Britain and France, are under pressure to do the same in Sierra Leone and Guinea.
But the U.S. military now plans to staff only one 25-bed hospital for infected health workers with members of the quasi-military Public Health Service.
"Who will staff the rest?" asked Dr. Liu. "It needs to be hands-on. You have to chip in and expose yourself."
Ebola field hospitals ideally contain three separate tents for confirmed, probable and suspected cases; separate toilet and washing facilities for each; and a double fence outside so relatives can talk without touching. They also contain separate dressing and undressing rooms for staff members wearing protective gear, and possibly laboratory and kitchen tents.
Danish journalists are slowly arriving in Monrovia, it's the ones usually covering war zones that got the job. Doom and gloom incoming!
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2014, 09:29:33 PM
Danish journalists are slowly arriving in Monrovia, it's the ones usually covering war zones that got the job. Doom and gloom incoming!
A very chilling report where the journalists followed a body collecting team was the first.
Quote from: Liep on September 27, 2014, 12:10:52 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 26, 2014, 09:29:33 PM
Danish journalists are slowly arriving in Monrovia, it's the ones usually covering war zones that got the job. Doom and gloom incoming!
A very chilling report where the journalists followed a body collecting team was the first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FvX_Suj11s
As I thought, the "decline" in infection in Guinea is illusory.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/09/guinea-residents-refusing-ebola-treatment-201492751955453636.html
QuoteGuinea residents 'refusing' Ebola treatment
Residents say people frightened to go to clinics because of conspiracy theories that they will be killed by doctors.
Last updated: 27 Sep 2014 14:56
Residents of the Guinean capital Conakry, hit hard by Ebola, say they are afraid to seek treatment at hospitals for fear of being poisoned by doctors, as the death toll across West Africa passed the 3,000 mark.
Local resident Tairu Diallo said on Friday that people living in his neighbourhood refused to seek medical help and instead stayed at home, trying to alleviate their symptoms with drugs bought at a pharmacy.
Diallo said people think doctors at hospitals inject patients with a deadly poison.
"If we have a stomach ache we don't go to hospital because doctors there will inject you and you will die," he said.
Many Guineans say local and foreign healthcare workers are part of a conspiracy which either deliberately introduced the outbreak, or invented it as a means of luring Africans to clinics to harvest their blood and organs.
Earlier in September, eight people, including journalists and Ebola-related educators, were killed in southeastern Guinea.
The World Health Organisation (WHO) said on Friday that the death toll in West Africa has risen to at least 3,091 out of 6,574 probable, suspected and confirmed cases.
Liberia has recorded 1,830 deaths, around three times as many as in either Guinea or Sierra Leone, the two other most
affected countries, according to WHO data received up to September 23.
An outbreak that began in a remote corner of Guinea has taken hold of much of neighbouring Liberia and Sierra Leone,
prompting warnings that tens of thousands of people may die from the worst outbreak of the disease on record.
The WHO said Liberia had reported six confirmed cases of Ebola and four deaths in the Grand Cru district, which is near the border with Ivory Coast and had not previously recorded any cases of Ebola. Liberia's chief medical officer, Bernice Dahn, said that she is placing herself under quarantine for 21 days after her office assistant died of Ebola. Dahn, who has represented Liberia at regional conferences intended to combat the ongoing epidemic, told the Associated Press on Saturday that she did not have any Ebola symptoms but wanted to ensure she was not infected.
Ivory Coast President Alassane Ouattara said on Friday that his country will lift the controversial suspension of flights to countries affected by the Ebola virus. He said there was no longer a reason to restrict air travel.
There are no reported cases of Ebola in Ivory Coast.
Nigeria and Senegal, the two other nations that have had confirmed cases of Ebola in the region, have not recorded any new cases or deaths in the last few weeks.
Clinics are filling up as fast as they open.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/beds-scarce-staff-scarcer-liberias-overrun-ebola-wards-182833374.html#AWp06I8 (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/beds-scarce-staff-scarcer-liberias-overrun-ebola-wards-182833374.html#AWp06I8)
QuoteBeds scarce, staff scarcer, in Liberia's overrun Ebola wards
They carry photos, bags of food -- and hope. But what the families idling at the gate of this Ebola centre in Monrovia lack is news of the fate of their sick loved ones inside.
George Williams brought his wife and daughter to the Island Clinic on Tuesday and since then has had "no news, no contact with my family".
"I trust the doctors and the government," he says.
But his faith draws hoots of laughter from the 40-odd others also waiting. For days, they say, no news of their family has ventured beyond the clinic's barbed-wire and high walls -- only cadavers.
The keeper of the clinic gate, in protective white gear from head to toe, looks like he is transported from outer space to this sweltering, misery-infected African city.
The crowd's noisy complaints fall silent as the gates open, and two Red Cross trucks, each carrying a dozen body bags, emerge.
A woman cries out, then two -- and then anger surges again.
"I want to see my son!" Janjay Geleplay, hard-faced, demands.
She brought 12-year-old Joshua on Sunday from the "72nd" district of Liberia's capital, where "there is a lot of Ebola".
"We get no record from the authorities. They always say we should wait. I come here every day. I want to see my son! Maybe he is already dead," she says, dry-eyed.
The Island clinic opened on Sunday. By the next day its 120 beds were full.
"As of Friday, we had 206 patients," a spokesman for the UN's World Health Organization, which runs the centre, told AFP.
Like all the NGO-run Ebola centres in Liberia, the Island is under-resourced and overrun by demand, forced to fill in for a public health infrastructure that has been decimated by 14 years of civil war and grinding poverty.
"There is supposed to be a system to allow the patients to talk to their families while keeping a distance of several metres (yards) -- but apparently it's not up and running yet," a clearly embarrassed WHO official there says.
Of the four west African nations affected by the Ebola outbreak, Liberia has been hit the hardest, with 3,458 people infected, and 1,830 killed by the disease.
A total of more than 6,500 infections, almost all in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, have been recorded since the beginning of the year according to a WHO count as of Saturday. Of those, 3,091 people have died so far.
- More beds, few aid workers -
On the other side of Monrovia, a 160-bed Ebola clinic run by Doctors Without Borders (Medecins Sans Frontieres, MSF) had to turn away patients for days.
A Belgian aid worker, forced to act as a "bouncer" there, quit and returned home, traumatised by the need to turn away the sick and dying.
"A lot of people are saying this is the hardest mission they've ever had," an MSF colleague says, requesting anonymity.
But the colleague also pointed to progress, saying that "slightly fewer arrivals" since Thursday has meant no one needed to be turned away -- "perhaps because new centres have been opened".
International efforts are finally building speed to get critical supplies and staff to stricken nations, following a call for fresh aid by US President Barack Obama, and along with fast-track funding from the International Monetary Fund.
The UN has estimated that nearly one billion dollars will be required to effectively fight the disease.
"In the next two to three weeks, we'll have over a thousand beds available in Monrovia," Frank Mahoney, the representative of the US health body Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, says.
The WHO is planning on creating 500 new beds within the month, and MSF plans to have a total of 400 beds, while Obama has also charged the US army with setting up beds.
Jean-Pierre Veyrenche, in charge of the construction of clinics in Monrovia for the WHO, says the task is especially complicated in the dense Liberian capital.
"You need 5,000 square metres (5,400 square feet) for a 100-bed clinic -- not easy to find in a big city like Monrovia, with marshy terrain. And the heavy rains are an enormous obstacle, as is the high water table which makes it impossible to dig latrines and is forcing us to build septic tanks out of concrete."
Like all NGOs and political leaders, he appeals for more aid workers on the ground.
"I think people are scared," Veyrenche says, "No one knows how to deal with Ebola in an urban zone, and in such numbers.... But the international humanitarian community must act. There are ways of working here. You can't get Ebola from stepping down onto the runway."
A group of aid workers in Monrovia noted the same problem. "Supplies are coming in, but what we're still missing are healthcare personnel," one of them tells AFP.
After a devastating earthquake in Haiti in 2010, 820 NGOs mobilised with on-the-ground efforts, he says. In Liberia, there are fewer than 10.
Outside the Island clinic, 32-year-old Finley Freeman handed his homemade meals over to the gatekeeper to deliver to his mother.
He has not seen her for days but gets his news directly.
"I talked to her on the phone last night. She keeps praying," he says.
Things are looking really bad in S. Leone with an exploding case number and collapsed medical service.
http://www.voanews.com/content/sierra-leone-treatment-center-ebola-outbreak-patients-find-no-care/2463697.html (http://www.voanews.com/content/sierra-leone-treatment-center-ebola-outbreak-patients-find-no-care/2463697.html)
QuoteExclusive: No Ebola Treatment at Sierra Leone Holding Center
MAKENI, SIERRA LEONE—
Dozens of very sick people sat on the floor in an empty university building in central Sierra Leone.
They waited in filthy conditions.
With the nearest treatment center a 16-hour drive away in Kailahun, there is no way to treat the sick, despite the likelihood they are infected with Ebola.
According to Osman Bah, the Makeni government hospital director, Ebola cases have spiked in recent weeks.
"More than 100, 150 cases, because we have sent 56 patients to Kailahun," he said. "This morning we have had more than 100-110 patients."
This university complex is being used as a makeshift holding facility because the sick people have nowhere else to go.
Highly contagious patients lie in the open.
One woman sat on the floor, too sick to stand.
Other victims huddled together on beds.
One young child was laying alone.
They waited and hoped for a space in the next ambulance.
Growing numbers of Ebola outbreak hotspots are emerging in new locations across the country.
"We get phone calls every day from districts over the whole country, and those districts are absolutely overwhelmed," said Axelle Vandoornick, a medical field coordinator for Doctors Without Borders.
There is no way of telling which patients are Ebola-positive.
Despite this, they are kept together.
"Ninety-nine percent of the cases that we have isolated are positive of Ebola," said Bah, the medical director.
Medical staff at the containment center have little training or experience dealing with Ebola.
Protective equipment is inadequate.
One makeshift ward was empty.
Beds were filthy.
Pill packets sat among piles of clothes left by a departing patient.
Twenty-five confirmed Ebola patients left for Borders treatment center in Kailahun one recent night.
Four died during the 16-hour journey.
Doctors Without Borders' Vandoornick said numbers are increasing.
"Every day we have ambulances arriving and when we open the door there are dead bodies inside the ambulance alongside non-cases potentially," Vandoornick said. "So that is the first source of contamination."
When two new patients were brought in to the center, one young boy showed symptoms for Ebola.
Despite the risk, his mother would not leave his side.
"It's too much," said Karimo Konteh, an ambulance driver. "Every day I pick up 10, 15, 14, 12 patients, everyday. ..."
Vandoornick said some districts have no Ebola treatment facilities of their own.
"They don't have [enough] capacity of Ebola centers in their district, so basically they are trying to send their patients to us," Vandoornick said.
Bah, the medical director, said he is not hopeful the situation will improve.
"For now the situation is not under control," he said. "We are hoping it will be better.
"But I am afraid, maybe it will get worse."
Quote from: http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/09/29/north-texas-hospital-evaluating-patient-for-potential-ebola-exposure/
Local North Texas Hospital Evaluating Patient For Potential Ebola Exposure
A North Texas hospital has a patient in isolation as they evaluate them for potential exposure to the Ebola virus.
Officials with Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas released the following statement Monday night:
"Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas has admitted a patient into strict isolation to be evaluated for potential Ebola Virus Disease (EVD) based on the patient's symptoms and recent travel history. The hospital is following all Centers for Disease Control and Texas Department of Heath recommendations to ensure the safety of patients, hospital staff, volunteers, physicians and visitors. The CDC anticipates preliminary results tomorrow."
It is unclear what specific symptoms the patient has or what the patient's travel history was.
Hopefully the patient tests negative, but this is scary shit.
Tested positive. First Ebola case in the US confirmed by CDC.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/30/a-dallas-hospital-is-evaluating-a-patient-for-possible-ebola/
I'm doing my residency at that hospital. Thank god I wasn't the on-call resident yesterday. :ph34r:
I would expect a lot of new colleagues in space suits tomorrow morning. ;)
Quote from: Fate on September 30, 2014, 04:21:43 PM
I'm doing my residency at that hospital. Thank god I wasn't the on-call resident yesterday. :ph34r:
Wake derspiess up when there's a case in Ohio.
Quote from: Zanza on September 30, 2014, 04:22:57 PM
I would expect a lot of new colleagues in space suits tomorrow morning. ;)
You don't need space suits when caring for Ebola patients. Goggles/facemask, gown, gloves, shoe covers are sufficient protection. Unfortunately Hollywood/media perpetuates the myth and sometimes health agencies go overboard. If this were an airborne hemorrhagic virus, then it'd be space suit time.
I think you are doing this wrong. Now is the time to PANIC!!!! :P
Quote from: Fate on September 30, 2014, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: Zanza on September 30, 2014, 04:22:57 PM
I would expect a lot of new colleagues in space suits tomorrow morning. ;)
You don't need space suits when caring for Ebola patients. Goggles/facemask, gown, gloves, shoe covers are sufficient protection. Unfortunately Hollywood/media perpetuates the myth and sometimes health agencies go overboard. If this were an airborne hemorrhagic virus, then it'd be space suit time.
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This is how they repatriated a Spanish ebola patient. Actually I'm sure they were aware all of this was probably unnecessary, but they went the spacesuit way to appease nervy public opinion.
Yeah, that photo is complete overkill. Those kinds of suits are what you'd use to transport a Spanish influenza or SARS patient... but you can't get infected merely by breathing the same air as someone with Ebola.
Would it be fair to say that in a country with decent plumbing Ebola is not really much of a threat?
Have you seen public restrooms in places with "decent plumbing"? :yucky:
Quote from: Zanza on September 30, 2014, 04:18:35 PM
Tested positive. First Ebola case in the US confirmed by CDC.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/30/a-dallas-hospital-is-evaluating-a-patient-for-possible-ebola/
That's it we're fucked.
This could be one of those "where were you when.." moments, as in where were you when you first heard the Ebola virus jumped the ocean to where civilized whities live.
Quote from: Fate on September 30, 2014, 04:21:43 PM
I'm doing my residency at that hospital. Thank god I wasn't the on-call resident yesterday. :ph34r:
Howdy neighbor. :)
Fuck
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-disaster-assistance-team-ill-suited-to-fight-ebola-harper-says-1.2032253
Quote from: celedhring on September 30, 2014, 04:31:03 PM
This is how they repatriated a Spanish ebola patient. Actually I'm sure they were aware all of this was probably unnecessary, but they went the spacesuit way to appease nervy public opinion.
Authorities really need to stop doing that shit. It does more harm than good in the long run, though it might be the "right" answer for the short term.
Quote from: Josephus on September 30, 2014, 05:13:47 PM
Fuck
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-disaster-assistance-team-ill-suited-to-fight-ebola-harper-says-1.2032253
NOTICE:
All Canadians fleeing onto mah lands will be shot. No Exceptions.
Quote from: Fate on September 30, 2014, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: Zanza on September 30, 2014, 04:22:57 PM
I would expect a lot of new colleagues in space suits tomorrow morning. ;)
You don't need space suits when caring for Ebola patients. Goggles/facemask, gown, gloves, shoe covers are sufficient protection. Unfortunately Hollywood/media perpetuates the myth and sometimes health agencies go overboard. If this were an airborne hemorrhagic virus, then it'd be space suit time.
We'd be pretty fucked if there was an outbreak of an airborne hemorrhagic virus.
Quote from: Jacob on September 30, 2014, 04:25:03 PM
Quote from: Fate on September 30, 2014, 04:21:43 PM
I'm doing my residency at that hospital. Thank god I wasn't the on-call resident yesterday. :ph34r:
Wake derspiess up when there's a case in Ohio.
Sounds like it's about time to cut the CDC's budget.
Who's gonna be Randall Flagg?
Quote from: Fate on September 30, 2014, 04:21:43 PM
I'm doing my residency at that hospital. Thank god I wasn't the on-call resident yesterday. :ph34r:
Stay safe, we need you guys.
Hopefully it's a very special instance.
Quote from: Razgovory on September 30, 2014, 05:21:37 PM
We'd be pretty fucked if there was an outbreak of an airborne hemorrhagic virus.
Indeed. Assuming such a thing could exist.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 30, 2014, 05:37:58 PM
Who's gonna be Randall Flagg?
Me. Seedy will be the bitter ex-cop security guy.
Just to give Timmay a breather:
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Earlier on Tuesday, the CDC said the Ebola virus seemed to be contained in Nigeria and Senegal, with no new cases reported there for almost a month.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29437070 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29437070)
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 30, 2014, 04:48:20 PM
Would it be fair to say that in a country with decent plumbing Ebola is not really much of a threat?
We might find out if Ebola makes it to the UK. As you may have deduced from Ed's posts, our plumbing has been significantly degraded. :(
Typhoid Ed
Quote from: Fate on September 30, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
Yeah, that photo is complete overkill. Those kinds of suits are what you'd use to transport a Spanish influenza or SARS patient... but you can't get infected merely by breathing the same air as someone with Ebola.
It's not airborne, but it is transmissable through droplets isn't it?
So Tim was right all along and we should indeed panic about Ebola. I sorry Tim :( :hug:
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 30, 2014, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on September 30, 2014, 05:37:58 PM
Who's gonna be Randall Flagg?
Me. Seedy will be the bitter ex-cop security guy.
Oooh! I know what role I'll play!
Quote from: Caliga on September 30, 2014, 07:52:31 PM
So Tim was right all along and we should indeed panic about Ebola. I sorry Tim :( :hug:
:hug:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 30, 2014, 07:46:24 PM
Quote from: Fate on September 30, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
Yeah, that photo is complete overkill. Those kinds of suits are what you'd use to transport a Spanish influenza or SARS patient... but you can't get infected merely by breathing the same air as someone with Ebola.
It's not airborne, but it is transmissable through droplets isn't it?
Space suits aren't required for droplet precautions. Facemask/goggles, mask, gown, gloves, and shoe covers are sufficient.
The proper place for the full body suits is when we have no clue what kind of infection a person has and we suspect it's highly virulent.
So why did we let someone back in the country who had been in Liberia? Wouldn't you quarantine them by default?
Still no reason to panic, unless maybe we have unruly mobs demanding corpses so the families can "wash" them.
There's never any reason to panic. Saying world governments should be taking precautions to nip a virulent, contagious disease in the bud is not "panic". Neither is looking at a graph and noting that the disease is spreading.
There's also never any reason to bury one's head in the sand.
I expect our servicemen going over there will be appropriately outfitted. :)
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Quote from: Ed Anger on September 30, 2014, 05:17:01 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 30, 2014, 05:13:47 PM
Fuck
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-disaster-assistance-team-ill-suited-to-fight-ebola-harper-says-1.2032253
NOTICE:
All Canadians fleeing onto mah lands will be shot. No Exceptions.
Can Ebola survive minus temps?
Quote from: Razgovory on September 30, 2014, 05:25:23 PM
Quote from: Jacob on September 30, 2014, 04:25:03 PM
Quote from: Fate on September 30, 2014, 04:21:43 PM
I'm doing my residency at that hospital. Thank god I wasn't the on-call resident yesterday. :ph34r:
Wake derspiess up when there's a case in Ohio.
Sounds like it's about time to cut the CDC's budget.
That's Seedy's shtick.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 30, 2014, 09:34:34 PM
There's never any reason to panic. Saying world governments should be taking precautions to nip a virulent, contagious disease in the bud is not "panic". Neither is looking at a graph and noting that the disease is spreading.
So nobody is panicking, then? :yeahright:
And that's mine :angry:
Second ebola case suspected... close family member of the first patient.
Quote from: http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/01/thompson-dallas-county-ebola-patient-cases/16524303/
Thompson: Associate of Dallas Ebola patient under close monitoring
DALLAS — Due to close contact with a patient diagnosed with the Ebola virus, a second person is under the close monitoring of health officials as a possible second patient, said the director of Dallas County's health department Wednesday morning in an interview with WFAA.
Zachary Thompson, the director of Dallas County Health and Human Services, says all those who've been in close contact with the diagnosed patient are being monitored as a precaution. However, Thompson pointed to one person in particular as a potential second case.
"Let me be real frank to the Dallas County residents, the fact that we have one confirmed case, there may be another case that is a close associate with this particular patient," he said in a Wednesday interview with WFAA. "... So this is real. There should be a concern, but it's contained to the specific family members and close friends at this moment."
The director continued to assure residents that the public isn't at risk as health officials have the virus contained.
Tuesday, the Center for Disease Control confirmed a patient at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas was the first person to be diagnosed with the Ebola virus in the United States. Wednesday morning, the hospital reported the patient is in serious condition.
The patient left Liberia on September 19 and arrived in Dallas to visit relatives the following day, said CDC director Tom Frieden. On September 26, he sought treatment at the hospital after becoming ill but was sent home with a prescription for antibiotics. Two days later, he was admitted with more critical symptoms, after requiring an ambulance ride to the hospital.
"I have no doubt that we'll stop this in its tracks in the U.S.," Frieden said. "But I also have no doubt that — as long as the outbreak continues in Africa — we need to be on our guard."
Local health officials say the patient was in contact with several children before he was hospitalized. Thompson says each of those children have been kept home and are under precautionary monitoring.
The Dallas County school district says they're working closely with health officials.
"DISD is in contact with Dallas County Health Department regarding the Ebola investigation," read a statement from Jon Dahlander, a spokesman with the district. "They are consulting with the County on any additional action that may need to be taken during the course of investigation. This is part of routine emergency operations during a health incident in the county. This is same protocol taken during things like flu and Tuberculosis cases."
More than a half a dozen employees with the CDC arrived in Dallas after news of the confirmed diagnosis broke. The CDC and Dallas County are working together in what they call a "contact investigation." Anyone who has had contact with the patient, including emergency room staff, will be under the observation of health officials for 21 days. If any of those under monitoring show symptoms, they'll be placed in isolation.
Stanley Gaye, president of the Liberian Community Association of Dallas-Fort Worth, said the 10,000-strong Liberian population in North Texas is skeptical of the CDC's assurances because Ebola has ravaged their country.
"We've been telling people to try to stay away from social gatherings," Gaye said at a community meeting Tuesday evening. Large get-togethers are a prominent part of Liberian culture.
Ebola symptoms can include fever, muscle pain, vomiting and bleeding, and can appear as long as 21 days after exposure to the virus. The disease is not contagious until symptoms begin, and it takes close contact with bodily fluids to spread.
The three paramedics who transported the patient are temporarily off duty and among those under observation.
Accompanied by state health director David L. Lakey, Gov. Rick Perry will hold a press conference to address the diagnosis at noon from Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital.
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Quarantine Texas.
If I learned anything from the Outbreak movie it is that we're screwed by the long incubation time. I say screw the quarantine and fire bomb Texas.
Works for me. Texan Liberians, Texo-Liberians, Liberian Texans, or Libero-Texans would seem too goofy.
Quote from: mongers on October 01, 2014, 10:14:25 AM
Oops I need to add a barrel of tar* though.
* incidentally I've no idea where I could go with that to make a joke out of it.
RACISS
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Quote from: grumbler on October 01, 2014, 10:54:22 AM
:huh: What do librarians have to do with Ebola?
The disease has been documented to by carried by: bookworm :contract:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/ebola-us/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Does this mean we can blame Fate for America's destruction?
Quote from: Liep on October 01, 2014, 11:09:37 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/ebola-us/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Does this mean we can blame Fate for America's destruction?
QuoteCNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta asked Frieden Wednesday on "New Day" if the man should have been tested for Ebola on his first visit to the hospital, and if he should have been asked about his recent travel history.
"That's one of the things we'll be looking at," Frieden said. "But we're reiterating the message for every health worker in this country -- think about travel history. If someone's been in West Africa within 21 days and they've got a fever, immediately isolate them and get them tested for Ebola."
Gupta then asked Frieden to explain guidance the CDC has issued on that and again asked: "Should this person have been tested?"
"We weren't there so I can't tell you exactly what that person said..." Frieden responded.
Gupta interjected, "You're advising public health departments. Last time I was here (at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta) there was a call with many primary care doctors to educate them on this exact issue. That was a couple of months ago. Should this person have been tested?"
Frieden answered, "We know that in busy emergency departments all over the country, people may not ask travel histories. I don't know if that was done here. But we need to make sure that it is done going forward."
Gupta sounds tiresome in "transcript". Did he hope the CDC director would misspeak and answer the question if asked enough?
Quote from: garbon on October 01, 2014, 11:20:52 AM
Gupta sounds tiresome in "transcript". Did he hope the CDC director would misspeak and answer the question if asked enough?
No shit. Of course, if gupta were a good doctor, that's what he'd be doing, instead of being a shitty "medical correspondent."
Isn't there some sort of screening going on in Customs/Immigration?
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 09:58:03 AM
Second ebola case suspected...
See. It doubled in less than 24 hours.
We're doomed!
Quote from: Josephus on October 01, 2014, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 09:58:03 AM
Second ebola case suspected...
See. It doubled in less than 24 hours.
We're doomed!
In 28 days all Americans will be infected. It was nice knowing you all.
Not me, I've got a ticket on the last ship to Madagascar.
Too bad you weren't on it.
I work just a few hundred feet from labs with every strain of Ebola, all four flavors of dengue, every known variant of H and N that has walked this earth plus some we've invented, and every other known pathogen and select agent in the book, and nobody's panicking over an Ebola case in Texas. Why? Because this is the United Motherfucking States, not Voodoostanistan.
You want to worry about something, worry about hurricanes.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2014, 01:45:53 PM
I work just a few hundred feet from labs with every strain of Ebola, all four flavors of dengue, every known variant of H and N that has walked this earth plus some we've invented, and every other known pathogen and select agent in the book, and nobody's panicking over an Ebola case in Texas. Why? Because this is the United Motherfucking States, not Voodoostanistan.
You want to worry about something, worry about hurricanes.
First, Sharknado. Now, Ebolacane! :ph34r:
The problem(for us) is that if we let the disease ravage Voodoostanistan long enough, it'll result in massive movements of people in numbers even our health care system can't handle.
Agreed that this Texas outbreak will be contained.
Oh, and you guys saw the new SLJ movie announcement, right?
Ebola on a Plane!
"Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfucking germs on this motherfucking plane!"
And yet you gave me shit about renaming the thread "Ebolapalooza".
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2014, 02:03:57 PM
And yet you gave me shit about renaming the thread "Ebolapalooza".
Yeah. And....?
Then I suppose we can count you out for "Starvationpalooza '15". :mad:
Quote from: derspiess on October 01, 2014, 10:13:42 AM
Works for me. Texan Liberians, Texo-Liberians, Liberian Texans, or Libero-Texans would seem too goofy.
Quarantine Texan Librarians. Given that noone reads books there, they seem fishy.
So apparently the preppers are in full hoarding mode, thanks to this Texas case.
Ed: how many months' food do you have stockpiled??
Quote from: derspiess on October 01, 2014, 04:04:23 PM
So apparently the preppers are in full hoarding mode, thanks to this Texas case.
Ed: how many months' food do you have stockpiled??
No wifi in the bunker.
The hysteria is pretty retarded. Unless you're in a third world country a virus like Ebola isn't much of a concern. The reason it's so bad in Africa is that they don't have the capacity to isolate those with the virus so the sick end up being cared for at home. Those caretakers then get infected and the chain of death continues. Not a single physician with Doctor's Without Borders has gotten Ebola because isolation and contact/droplet precautions works. Most hospitals in America are capable of treating Ebola patients.
Quote from: derspiess on October 01, 2014, 04:04:23 PM
So apparently the preppers are in full hoarding mode, thanks to this Texas case.
Ed: how many months' food do you have stockpiled??
Yeah, they're an odd bunch, that's a group of them on a forum I sometimes frequent. They always act like the latest concern is the big one, the calamity that'll prove them right, in a way it's like wish fulfilment. <_<
Quote from: mongers on October 01, 2014, 04:12:11 PM
Yeah, they're an odd bunch, that's a group of them on a forum I sometimes frequent. They always act like the latest concern is the big one, the calamity that'll prove them right, in a way it's like wish fulfilment. <_<
It's fun to witness sometimes. I have a Facebook friend I went to high school with and she is a big time prepper. Anytime the electricity goes out she's all like "GET USED TO IT PEOPLE".
Quote from: derspiess on October 01, 2014, 04:37:43 PM
Anytime the electricity goes out she's all like "GET USED TO IT PEOPLE".
:lol:
Quote from: derspiess on October 01, 2014, 04:37:43 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 01, 2014, 04:12:11 PM
Yeah, they're an odd bunch, that's a group of them on a forum I sometimes frequent. They always act like the latest concern is the big one, the calamity that'll prove them right, in a way it's like wish fulfilment. <_<
It's fun to witness sometimes. I have a Facebook friend I went to high school with and she is a big time prepper. Anytime the electricity goes out she's all like "GET USED TO IT PEOPLE".
Yeah, it's a weird mindset, I suspect it eventually makes some of the ill in the long run. Oh and the tendency seems to for some women to be of that way minded. :gasp:
Quote from: derspiess on October 01, 2014, 04:04:23 PM
So apparently the preppers are in full hoarding mode, thanks to this Texas case.
Ed: how many months' food do you have stockpiled??
Enough
A survival ration commercial just aired on CNN. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 01, 2014, 05:44:50 PM
A survival ration commercial just aired on CNN. :lol:
Even their commercials are in panic mode. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 01, 2014, 05:44:50 PM
A survival ration commercial just aired on CNN. :lol:
What really winds them up, is if you suggest they put their faith in their fellow man, they're so wound-up in the little invented worlds, counting their gas canisters, bottles of water and canned food, they don't ever see anything positive left in the wider world.
Quote from: mongers on October 01, 2014, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 01, 2014, 05:44:50 PM
A survival ration commercial just aired on CNN. :lol:
What really winds them up, is if you suggest they put their faith in their fellow man, they're so wound-up in the little invented worlds, counting their gas canisters, bottles of water and canned food, they don't ever see anything positive left in the wider world.
Shit, I get that job in Vermont, my ass is going to be hoarding like a motherfucker.
Quote from: mongers on October 01, 2014, 05:50:59 PM
What really winds them up, is if you suggest they put their faith in their fellow man, they're so wound-up in the little invented worlds, counting their gas canisters, bottles of water and canned food, they don't ever see anything positive left in the wider world.
Why all the vitriol? They're not harming you. Or anyone for that matter.
They won't share.
Has Fox blamed Obama yet?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 01, 2014, 06:03:02 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 01, 2014, 05:50:59 PM
What really winds them up, is if you suggest they put their faith in their fellow man, they're so wound-up in the little invented worlds, counting their gas canisters, bottles of water and canned food, they don't ever see anything positive left in the wider world.
Why all the vitriol? They're not harming you. Or anyone for that matter.
That's not vitriol, but I hope a reasonably accurate sumation of some of their worldviews. Pity the overriding emotion, as what they put 'faith' in is self-limiting and self-defeating.
Pretty depressing story on how Mr. Duncan got Ebola. He helped carry his pregnant, ebola infected neighbor to the hospital where she was turned away because there was no space.
Quote from: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-victim-texas-thomas-eric-duncan.html
MONROVIA, Liberia — A man who flew to Dallas and was later found to have the Ebola virus was identified by senior Liberian government officials on Wednesday as Thomas Eric Duncan, a resident of Monrovia in his mid-40s.
Mr. Duncan, the first person to develop symptoms outside Africa during the current epidemic, had direct contact with a woman stricken by Ebola on Sept. 15, just four days before he left Liberia for the United States, the woman's parents and Mr. Duncan's neighbors said.
In a pattern often seen here in Monrovia, the Liberian capital, the family of the woman, Marthalene Williams, 19, took her by taxi to a hospital with Mr. Duncan's help on Sept. 15 after failing to get an ambulance, said her parents, Emmanuel and Amie Williams. She was convulsing and seven months pregnant, they said.
Turned away from a hospital for lack of space in its Ebola treatment ward, the family said it took Ms. Williams back home in the evening, and that she died hours later, around 3 a.m.
Mr. Duncan, who was a family friend and also a tenant in a house owned by the Williams family, rode in the taxi in the front passenger seat while Ms. Williams, her father and her brother, Sonny Boy, shared the back seat, her parents said. Mr. Duncan then helped carry Ms. Williams, who was no longer able to walk, back to the family home that evening, neighbors said.
"He was holding her by the legs, the pa was holding her arms and Sonny Boy was holding her back," said Arren Seyou, 31, who witnessed the scene and occupies the room next to Mr. Duncan's.
Sonny Boy, 21, also started getting sick about a week ago, his family said, around the same time that Mr. Duncan first started showing symptoms.
In a sign of how furiously the disease can spread, an ambulance had come to their house on Wednesday to pick up Sonny Boy. Another ambulance picked up a woman and her daughter from the same area, and a team of body collectors came to retrieve the body of yet another woman — all four appeared to have been infected in a chain reaction started by Marthalene Williams.
A few minutes after the ambulance left, the parents got a call telling them that Sonny Boy had died on the way to the hospital.
Mr. Duncan had lived in the neighborhood, called 72nd SKD Boulevard, for the past two years, living by himself in a small room that he rented from the Williams couple. He had told that them and his neighbors that his son lived in the United States, played baseball, and was trying to get him to come to America.
For the past year, Mr. Duncan had worked as a driver at Safeway Cargo, the Liberian customs clearance agent for FedEx, said Henry Brunson, the company's manager.
In an office with a large FedEx sign outside the building in downtown Monrovia, Mr. Brunson said that Mr. Duncan quit abruptly on Sept. 4, giving no reason. But Mr. Brunson said he knew that Mr. Duncan had family members in the United States as well.
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"His sister came from the United States and he asked for a day off so that he could go meet her at the Mamba Point Hotel," Mr. Brunson said, mentioning a hotel popular among foreigners. "He quit a few weeks after that."
The way Mr. Duncan appears to have been infected with the Ebola virus is typical in Monrovia, where the epidemic is spreading rapidly and most people are dying at home because of a lack of ambulances and Ebola treatment centers. At home, they spread the virus to family and friends who are taking care of them.
Ms. Williams's family said they had no choice but to take her back home after being turned away from John F. Kennedy Memorial Hospital, first at its maternity ward and then at its Ebola center. While she was sick at home, she appeared to have also infected a neighbor, Sarah Smith, whose corpse was picked up Wednesday.
Neighbors said that an ailing Ms. Williams used to visit Ms. Smith, who lived in a pink house next door. After Ms. Smith fell ill, a friend of hers living nearby started coming over to take care of her. That friend, Marie Wread, did chores for Ms. Smith, including washing her clothes.
On Wednesday, a visibly ill Ms. Wread was taken by ambulance to a hospital; her daughter, Mercy, 9, joined her in the ambulance, though she was not showing symptoms herself. Other neighbors, fearful of the growing contagion in their neighborhood, had insisted angrily that Mercy be taken away.
While Ms. Williams appears to have been the first patient in her area of the neighborhood, members of a local volunteer Ebola task force say they believe that the virus was brought in by an outsider. Ms. Williams rarely left home because of her pregnancy, they said. But a cousin who came to visit Ms. Williams later died of Ebola after apparently being infected by her mother, who is now in a Ebola treatment center, members of the task force said.
"That's how Ebola came here," said Mark Kpoto, 21, a task force member.
I understand his desire travel to America ASAP given what he'd just experienced.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 01, 2014, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 01, 2014, 05:44:50 PM
A survival ration commercial just aired on CNN. :lol:
What really winds them up, is if you suggest they put their faith in their fellow man, they're so wound-up in the little invented worlds, counting their gas canisters, bottles of water and canned food, they don't ever see anything positive left in the wider world.
Shit, I get that job in Vermont, my ass is going to be hoarding like a motherfucker.
Well hopefully of something useful. Doubt hoarding board games will help much.
Quote from: garbon on October 01, 2014, 07:24:43 PM
Well hopefully of something useful. Doubt hoarding board games will help much.
You're not invited to the fallout shelter. :mad:
Sandbags full of punched counters.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 01, 2014, 07:32:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 01, 2014, 07:24:43 PM
Well hopefully of something useful. Doubt hoarding board games will help much.
You're not invited to the fallout shelter. :mad:
Cold, dawg, cold. :(
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
The hysteria is pretty retarded. Unless you're in a third world country a virus like Ebola isn't much of a concern. The reason it's so bad in Africa is that they don't have the capacity to isolate those with the virus so the sick end up being cared for at home. Those caretakers then get infected and the chain of death continues. Not a single physician with Doctor's Without Borders has gotten Ebola because isolation and contact/droplet precautions works. Most hospitals in America are capable of treating Ebola patients.
No physicians, but quite a few of their staff has.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 01, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
The hysteria is pretty retarded. Unless you're in a third world country a virus like Ebola isn't much of a concern. The reason it's so bad in Africa is that they don't have the capacity to isolate those with the virus so the sick end up being cared for at home. Those caretakers then get infected and the chain of death continues. Not a single physician with Doctor's Without Borders has gotten Ebola because isolation and contact/droplet precautions works. Most hospitals in America are capable of treating Ebola patients.
No physicians, but quite a few of their staff has.
Yet no staff in the United States has become infected while treating an Ebola patient. This is because we have the technical capability to run an isolation unit and we have an almost endless supply of appropriate personal protective equipment in every hospital in America. These kinds of conditions don't exist in Africa.
I assumed it was something like this but it's depressing to get it confirmed.
Also, "May their souls rest in perfect peace" seems like the traditional phrase of choice in Liberia when talking of the dead.
http://news.sl/drwebsite/publish/article_200526287.shtml
QuoteSierra Leone News : Over 1,000 of 2,000 Lab-Confirmed Ebola Cases are not Accounted For!
By Awareness Times
Sep 29, 2014, 12:14
An article in the internationally acclaimed NEW YORK TIMES newspaper has openly mocked the Government of Sierra Leone's announced numbers concerning Ebola patients by quoting a Western diplomat who said of the numbers:-
"Even a 2-year-old child can look at them and see they don't add up!"
The NYTIMES article which was published on September 25th 2014 reported thus:
The numbers for Sierra Leone come from the Ministry of Health, and diplomats and international health officials say they are largely inaccurate, substantially underplaying the gravity of the situation on the ground. "Even a 2-year-old child can look at them and see they don't add up," the Western diplomat here said.
Many other internationally credible articles had revealed of greater number of burials of Ebola patients than was announced. These articles sparked widespread debates on social media with strong accusations amongst citizens that the Government was being deliberately dishonest.
However, it is a fact that the Government had very honestly informed in a Published Statement as far back as 24th September 2014 that the STAY AT HOME campaign which took place from 19th to 21st September, had revealed, "The true picture portrays a situation that is worse than what was being reflected in reports".
Despite this, many questions continued to be posed around especially at Dr. Sylvia Blyden, the Special Executive Assistant to the President who regularly engages citizens on social media. In response to the numerous queries, Dr. Blyden past Saturday September 27th took time to write the following which instantly went viral as it, for the first time, comprehensively showed cause of under-estimates.
UPDATE BY DR. SYLVIA BLYDEN
Let me thank all who have posed observations and questions to me about the incomprehensible difference in totals of announced lab-confirmed cases versus number of survivors & number of deaths. You are all quite right that the difference is currently like one thousand and clearly, such a large number of over 1,000 Ebola patients, are not to be found in health centers around the country. You are quite correct! So, where are these compatriots?
The fact is that a few of these unaccounted-for numbers are currently admitted in Ebola centers but I can categorically state today that the vast majority of the [over] 1,000 patients are already DEAD and lying in their graves. Yes, they are dead and buried! Hundreds of them! :-( May their souls rest in peace.
As some have repeatedly stated for months now, the numbers we are being given from Health Ministry as official Ebola death figures are absolutely incorrect. Before going further, let me state that the initial appearance of the hitherto unknown Ebola disease was a strange situation for us to handle and as can be perfectly understood, we had a tough learning curve during which we, as a country, made a series of blunders. One such blunder is the reason behind the erroneous death figures.
Let me explain.
The erroneous death figures within the laboratory-confirmed category, are NOT caused by deliberate massaging but a flight of common sense; probably caused by the stress of what was unfolding on us. What am I saying here? Please read the following explanation carefully...
Now, most of the missing patients not currently accounted for, have resulted from a policy where sick patients blood samples are collected from them in their villages and towns and these samples taken to the lab in Kenema, Kailahun or Freetown for testing whilst the patients were left behind in their communities, waiting for their results. By the time, the results were available as confirmed positive and health officials prepared and went back to the villages/towns with ambulances to collect the patients, only a few were met still alive. Many of these patients (most of whom had been seriously ill), had already died in their communities and been buried. May their souls rest in perfect peace.
Now here comes the 'interesting' part.
Former Health Minister Miatta Kargbo and former World Health Organisation Representative Dr. Jacob Mufunda, had ordered that ONLY DEATHS INSIDE CLINICAL FACILITIES were to be recognised as "confirmed deaths" to be announced. So, all those laboratory positive patients who died in their towns and villages before they could be collected in ambulances for treatment at Ebola Centers, were never announced as deaths though already announced amongst number of laboratory positive cases. These unannounced deaths of our compatriots, ran up to HUNDREDS of deaths of laboratory confirmed cases! May their souls rest in perfect peace.
This, is the simple reason behind the incorrect (fake) death figures in the laboratory confirmed categories. Sierra Leone was not counting our compatriots who died outside of health facilities. May their souls rest in perfect peace.
This grave error that resulted in skewed death figures, was immediately picked up by the new Health Minister, Dr. Abubakarr Fofanah, on assuming office and, in a poignant presentation to the Presidential Task Force on Ebola which included all top international diplomats, opposition party leaders, SLMDA doctors and key civil society members, the Health Minister Dr. Abubakar Fofanah carefully explained what had been happening under the watch of his predecessor. You just need to read the U.S. Embassy's Facebook updates posted after that Presidential Task Force meeting. (Check Sept 8th and Sept 10th U.S. Embassy updates. They speak volumes).
So, based on analytic presentation of the new Health Minister, it is now a Government policy that the death figures being announced for laboratory confirmed cases, should be reviewed - eventually. The Health Minister has already informed the CDC and the WHO on this.
As you can well imagine, after impending review, the death rates, Case Fatality Rate (CFR) and other attendant aspects will be significantly changed and a better understanding of the serious gravity of what is unfolding in Sierra Leone, will be known by the whole world. Please brace yourselves. The news is not good. However, rest assured that working together, we can overcome Ebola.
In addition, the review will also ensure proper inclusion of all SUSPECTED and PROBABLE deaths as per World Health Organisation definitions. Keen observers might have noticed that it is only recently, in last one month, that an attempt has been made to include suspected and probable deaths in the death numbers being announced.
Fellow Citizens and Friends of Sierra Leone, let us continue to keep our beautiful country's Ebola crisis in the mainstream of the world's attention. We have a very, very serious situation on our hands.
We made a lot of mistakes in the early stages because we had a steep learning curve. However, we can no longer blame a steep learning curve for any more mistakes. Let us gear up against Ebola!
So terrible :(
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-spreading-in-west-africa.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSumLargeMedia&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
QuoteA Hospital From Hell, in a City Swamped by Ebola
Ebola Overwhelming West Africa Communities
By ADAM NOSSITEROCT. 1, 2014
MAKENI, Sierra Leone — "Where's the corpse?" the burial-team worker shouted, kicking open the door of the isolation ward at the government hospital here. The body was right in front of him, a solidly built young man sprawled out on the floor all night, his right hand twisted in an awkward clench.
The other patients, normally padlocked inside, were too sick to look up as the body was hauled away. Nurses, some not wearing gloves and others in street clothes, clustered by the door as pools of the patients' bodily fluids spread to the threshold. A worker kicked another man on the floor to see if he was still alive. The man's foot moved and the team kept going. It was 1:30 in the afternoon.
In the next ward, a 4-year-old girl lay on the floor in urine, motionless, bleeding from her mouth, her eyes open. A corpse lay in the corner — a young woman, legs akimbo, who had died overnight. A small child stood in a cot watching as the team took the body away, stepping around a little boy lying immobile next to black buckets of vomit. They sprayed the body, and the little girl on the floor, with chlorine as they left.
As the Ebola epidemic intensifies across parts of West Africa, nations and aid agencies are pledging to respond with increasing force. But the disease has already raced far ahead of the promises, sweeping into areas that had been largely spared the onslaught and are not in the least prepared for it.
The consequences in places like Makeni, one of Sierra Leone's largest cities, have been devastating.
"The whole country has been hit by something for which it was not ready," said Dr. Amara Jambai, director of prevention and control at Sierra Leone's health ministry.
Bombali, the district that includes this city, went from one confirmed case on Aug. 15 to more than 190 this weekend, with dozens more suspected. In a sign of how quickly the disease has spread, at least six dozen new cases have been confirmed in the district in the past few days alone, health officials said. The government put this district, 120 miles northeast of the capital, Freetown, under quarantine late last week, making official what was already established on the ground. Ebola patients are dying under trees at holding centers or in foul-smelling hospital wards surrounded by pools of infectious waste, cared for as best they can by lightly trained and minimally protected nurses, some wearing merely bluejeans.
"There's no training for the staff here," said Dr. Mohammed Bah, the director of the government hospital here. "The training is just PowerPoint. It is very difficult to manage Ebola here."
In recent weeks, the world has vowed to step up its response to the epidemic, which has been spreading for more than six months. The United States has sent a military team to neighboring Liberia with plans to build 18 treatment centers to prop up the broken health system. The British have promised to build field hospitals in four urban areas in Sierra Leone, including this one. The French are setting up a treatment center and a laboratory in Guinea. The Chinese have sent scores of medical personnel to the region and have converted a hospital they built outside Freetown into a holding center for Ebola patients. The Cubans have pledged to send more than 400 doctors to help battle the disease in the region.
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But little of that help has reached this city. The dead, the gravely ill, those who are vomiting or have diarrhea, are placed among patients who have not yet been confirmed as Ebola victims — there is not even a laboratory here to test them. At one of the three holding centers in Makeni, dazed Ebola patients linger outside, close to health workers and soldiers guarding them. The risk of infection is high, the precautions minimal. Patients are kept at the holding centers, receiving a minimum of care, until space opens up at a distant treatment center.
"We encourage them not to have contact with body fluids," said the district medical officer, Dr. Tom Sesay.
There is no Ebola treatment center here and the patients, some of them critically ill, must be taken eight hours over bad dirt roads to the one operated by Doctors Without Borders in Kailahun — that is, when space is available there. Some die on the way. At least 90 people already have died in the district, health officials say — a figure far in excess of what the government in the capital has reported for Bombali. Yet the World Health Organization and others are still relying on Sierra Leone government statistics that appear to seriously undercount the number of victims.
Outside the district medical officer's headquarters at the edge of Makeni — a mining hub in better days — ambulances race off constantly for new bodies. Reports of new cases poured in all weekend.
"We're fighting to see how we can control it," Dr. Sesay said. "But we're not being helped by the fact that we have nowhere to take our patients."
The survival rate in Bombali district is "low," Dr. Sesay noted.
Indeed, the holding centers appear to be little more than stiflingly hot places to die. At one of the three in Makeni, known as the "Arab Hospital" because it was built with money from Gulf states, five had died overnight and into the morning one day last week; four more were expected to go by that night.
One of them, a small boy, lay curled up under a wooden bed frame, and a nurse explained that he was "in the last stage, vomiting blood." Outside the building, a boy of around 10 propped himself up as best he could against a wall, blood around his eyes, defecating.
"A lot of babies are dying here," said Mohammed Kamara, a soldier guarding the facility.
Three patients lay prostrate under a mango tree in the dirt courtyard, one of them motionless with his arms and legs fully extended, crosslike.
"When they start bleeding, they go inside, and they will not come back out," said Evelyn Bangura, the nurse running the holding center. Close to 30 have died since the center opened on Sept. 20.
"I don't want them to be outside," Ms. Bangura complained. "We want to minimize the spread." But some of the healthier patients are aggressive and have tried to break out of the facility; Mr. Kamara, a soldier guarding it, had to cock his gun, he said. Indeed, three men shouted from one end of the courtyard, demanding to be released: "So healthy for us!"
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Some patients who ultimately tested negative for Ebola have been let out of the holding centers, prompting a large crowd to pour into the streets to celebrate this week, thinking it meant that Ebola had been defeated. The government quickly issued a statement saying that, to the contrary, the disease "is still with us and spreading fast."
For many patients, the prognosis is bleak. "They are deteriorating day by day; even to swallow for them is a problem," Ms. Bangura said, adding that the constant flow of bodies, and their inability to help, was taking its toll on the beleaguered staff.
"To watch people like this deteriorating, deteriorating, it is like a psychological trauma for us," she said. "Very painful for us."
The nurses do what they can, dispensing anti-malarial medication, deworming the patients, giving them analgesics. But virtually all of those not already comatose appeared glassy-eyed and listless.
Down the road, an ambulance pulled up, delivering eight new patients to the third holding center; two of the patients were too far advanced to walk into the low-rise concrete facility at the edge of Makeni.
"The problem we are having is the little children," said the chief health officer there, Unisa Kanu.
Unicef said Tuesday that the Ebola epidemic had orphaned at least 3,700 children in the region.
"Their mothers are already dead; we have seven orphans now," Mr. Kanu said. "That is the problem we are having now."
Quote from: Josephus on October 01, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
Has Fox blamed Obama yet?
Next on the O'Reilly report:
President Obama has left the country open to travel in a time when the outside world is filled with Ebola, ISIS, and Hispanics. Now that these are showing up in our homeland, we ask the tough question: Did his negligence stem from ignorance, laziness, or a hatred of America?
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 01, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
The hysteria is pretty retarded. Unless you're in a third world country a virus like Ebola isn't much of a concern. The reason it's so bad in Africa is that they don't have the capacity to isolate those with the virus so the sick end up being cared for at home. Those caretakers then get infected and the chain of death continues. Not a single physician with Doctor's Without Borders has gotten Ebola because isolation and contact/droplet precautions works. Most hospitals in America are capable of treating Ebola patients.
No physicians, but quite a few of their staff has.
Yet no staff in the United States has become infected while treating an Ebola patient.
Its an excellent record considering there havent been any patients - oh wait, there was that guy who had ebola that the hospital released. ;)
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 01, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 01, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
The hysteria is pretty retarded. Unless you're in a third world country a virus like Ebola isn't much of a concern. The reason it's so bad in Africa is that they don't have the capacity to isolate those with the virus so the sick end up being cared for at home. Those caretakers then get infected and the chain of death continues. Not a single physician with Doctor's Without Borders has gotten Ebola because isolation and contact/droplet precautions works. Most hospitals in America are capable of treating Ebola patients.
No physicians, but quite a few of their staff has.
Yet no staff in the United States has become infected while treating an Ebola patient.
Its an excellent record considering there havent been any patients - oh wait, there was that guy who had ebola that the hospital released. ;)
:huh:
That guy was the first person diagnosed here, IIRC. We've treated patients before - most recently those American doctors that we flew back to treat.
Quote from: garbon on October 01, 2014, 09:04:17 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 01, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 01, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
The hysteria is pretty retarded. Unless you're in a third world country a virus like Ebola isn't much of a concern. The reason it's so bad in Africa is that they don't have the capacity to isolate those with the virus so the sick end up being cared for at home. Those caretakers then get infected and the chain of death continues. Not a single physician with Doctor's Without Borders has gotten Ebola because isolation and contact/droplet precautions works. Most hospitals in America are capable of treating Ebola patients.
No physicians, but quite a few of their staff has.
Yet no staff in the United States has become infected while treating an Ebola patient.
Its an excellent record considering there havent been any patients - oh wait, there was that guy who had ebola that the hospital released. ;)
:huh:
That guy was the first person diagnosed here, IIRC. We've treated patients before - most recently those American doctors that we flew back to treat.
Yes, I was making fun at his presumption of superiority. The mighty Western medical system is so wonderful and immune to error that the very first person diagnosed in the US was actually misdiagnosed and sent home to potentially infect many more people.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 01, 2014, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 01, 2014, 09:04:17 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 01, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 01, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
The hysteria is pretty retarded. Unless you're in a third world country a virus like Ebola isn't much of a concern. The reason it's so bad in Africa is that they don't have the capacity to isolate those with the virus so the sick end up being cared for at home. Those caretakers then get infected and the chain of death continues. Not a single physician with Doctor's Without Borders has gotten Ebola because isolation and contact/droplet precautions works. Most hospitals in America are capable of treating Ebola patients.
No physicians, but quite a few of their staff has.
Yet no staff in the United States has become infected while treating an Ebola patient.
Its an excellent record considering there havent been any patients - oh wait, there was that guy who had ebola that the hospital released. ;)
:huh:
That guy was the first person diagnosed here, IIRC. We've treated patients before - most recently those American doctors that we flew back to treat.
Yes, I was making fun at his presumption of superiority. The mighty Western medical system is so wonderful and immune to error that the very first person diagnosed in the US was actually misdiagnosed and sent home to potentially infect many more people.
If he was making the claim that the Western medical system was so wonderful and immune to error, your critique might make sense.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 01, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 01, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
The hysteria is pretty retarded. Unless you're in a third world country a virus like Ebola isn't much of a concern. The reason it's so bad in Africa is that they don't have the capacity to isolate those with the virus so the sick end up being cared for at home. Those caretakers then get infected and the chain of death continues. Not a single physician with Doctor's Without Borders has gotten Ebola because isolation and contact/droplet precautions works. Most hospitals in America are capable of treating Ebola patients.
No physicians, but quite a few of their staff has.
Yet no staff in the United States has become infected while treating an Ebola patient.
Its an excellent record considering there havent been any patients - oh wait, there was that guy who had ebola that the hospital released. ;)
We've had plenty of cases of Ebola in the US. I can think of at least five off the top of my head, not including this most recent one in Dallas.
We've also treated many other patients with hemorrhagic viruses similar to Ebola without spread to support staff. I think there was one case of Marburg virus in 2007, at least 6 cases of Lassa fever, and several others that I can't recall at the moment.
No one's made a movie about Lassa fever so Americans don't get freaked out by it when it does happen. Our society has an irrational fear of Ebola that is hyped up by the news media and entertainment industry. Lassa fever has been killing 5000-10000 West Africans every year since the 1960s yet most of you probably haven't heard of it or heard about the imported US cases of it that show up in our emergency rooms.
Add this to the voluminous body of evidence titled "Sierra Leone is Lying"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29453755
QuoteEbola outbreak: 'Five infected every hour' in Sierra Leone
A leading charity has warned that a rate of five new Ebola cases an hour in Sierra Leone means healthcare demands are far outstripping supply.
Save the Children said there were 765 new cases of Ebola reported in the West African state last week, while there are only 327 beds in the country.
Experts and politicians are set to meet in London to debate a global response to the crisis.
It is the world's worst outbreak of the virus, killing 3,338 people so far.
There have been 7,178 confirmed cases, with Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea suffering the most.
'Massively unreported'
Save the Children says Ebola is spreading across Sierra Leone at a "terrifying rate", with the number of new cases being recorded doubling every few weeks.
It said that even as health authorities got on top of the outbreak in one area, it spread to another.
The scale of the disease is also "massively unreported" according to the charity, because "untold numbers of children are dying anonymously at home or in the streets".
Earlier this month, Britain said it would build facilities for 700 new beds in Sierra Leone but the first of these will not be ready for weeks, and the rest may take months.
But Save the Children said that unless the international community radically stepped up its response, people would continue to die at home and risk infecting their family and the local community.
"We are facing the frightening prospect of an epidemic which is spreading like wildfire across Sierra Leone, with the number of new cases doubling every three weeks," said Rob MacGillivray, the charity's country director in Sierra Leone.
Safety trials for two experimental vaccines are under way in the UK and US, the WHO said on Wednesday, and will be expanded to 10 sites in Africa, Europe and North America in the coming weeks.
It said it expected to begin small-scale use of the experimental vaccines in West Africa early next year.
The Ebola Donors Conference in London on Thursday is being hosted by the UK and Sierra Leone governments. Its main agenda is to discuss what the global community can do to provide an effective international response to the epidemic.
It will be chaired by UK Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond, who said he hoped it would "raise even greater awareness of the disease and what is needed to contain it , encourage ambitious pledges and show our solidarity with Sierra Leone and the region."
However, the BBC's Mark Doyle says Sierra Leone's President Ernest Bai Koroma is unlikely to be able to attend. According to reports from the country's capital Freetown, the British plane sent to Freetown to collect him has developed a technical fault.
I held a meeting with all my sock puppets and other personalities and we voted 77-1 not to panic.
Which one dissented?
Has The Redeker Plan been put to effect yet?
Quote from: Josephus on October 01, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
Has Fox blamed Obama yet?
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Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 09:35:01 PM
Our society has an irrational fear of Ebola that is hyped up by the news media and entertainment industry.
Also Tim.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 02, 2014, 10:00:09 AM
Which one dissented?
The Russian one that puts 'preved' in thread titles.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 02, 2014, 10:50:30 AM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 09:35:01 PM
Our society has an irrational fear of Ebola that is hyped up by the news media and entertainment industry.
Also Tim.
Is that one really irrational?
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 09:35:01 PM
Lassa fever has been killing 5000-10000 West Africans every year since the 1960s yet most of you probably haven't heard of it or heard about the imported US cases of it that show up in our emergency rooms.
So what you're saying is that Lassa fever is the hipster ebola?
Yeah I've got Lassa fever. It's big in West Africa. You've probably never heard of it.
I am not afriad of ebola, but I do think this is a tragedy of epic scale going on in the world, and regardless of the threat it poses to me (negligble) this is a huge story and we should be "panicked" that we apparently are nearly helpless to save what looks to be tens, if not hundreds, of thousands who are likely to die.
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2014, 11:58:47 AM
I am not afriad of ebola, but I do think this is a tragedy of epic scale going on in the world, and regardless of the threat it poses to me (negligble) this is a huge story and we should be "panicked" that we apparently are nearly helpless to save what looks to be tens, if not hundreds, of thousands who are likely to die.
:yes:
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/219585-republicans-call-for-ebola-czar
QuoteRepublicans call for Ebola czar
Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) said Thursday that the lack of a central U.S. authority on Ebola has hindered lawmakers' ability to confront the crisis's major funding challenges.
Moran, ranking member on the Appropriations Committee's health subcommittee, said he doesn't know what resources are needed to control the outbreak because President Obama has not appointed one person to direct the response.
"There is no person to go to, to tell us how all this is going to be funded," Moran told Buzzfeed News. "And I don't think there is a plan internationally to bring the folks together to combat this."
Moran, who is also the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, is the latest Republican to criticize President Obama's leadership on the deadly disease that reached the U.S. this week.
His comments also amplify GOP calls for an "Ebola czar."
Republicans first called for the White House to appoint an official to oversee Ebola efforts, led by Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio).
"We are now more than six months into an Ebola epidemic and it remains unclear who is coordinating and leading the U.S. response," Portman wrote in a statement on Sept. 16. He said the lack of a U.S. coordinator has "led to a delay in an effective U.S. government response and an absence of financial and operational accountability."
The U.S. has committed more than $1 billion in an attempt to contain the outbreak, spread across a half-dozen executive agencies ranging from the Department of Homeland Security to the U.S. Agency for International Development.
Should fall under HHS.
:rolleyes: Moran. There are enough czars already.
In other news, Minister Farrakhan says the virus was created by white people to kill blacks (shock) and an anti-gun group is blaming the NRA for the outbreak.
Quote from: derspiess on October 02, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
:rolleyes: Moran. There are enough czars already.
In other news, Minister Farrakhan says the virus was created by white people to kill blacks (shock) and an anti-gun group is blaming the NRA for the outbreak.
Sweet Louie I can see, the anti gun group not so much. Link?
Quote from: Berkut on October 02, 2014, 11:58:47 AM
I am not afriad of ebola, but I do think this is a tragedy of epic scale going on in the world, and regardless of the threat it poses to me (negligble) this is a huge story and we should be "panicked" that we apparently are nearly helpless to save what looks to be tens, if not hundreds, of thousands who are likely to die.
We aren't helpless. Ebola patients treated in the United States have a 0% mortality rate to date. If you get Ebola in West Africa you're fucked because you can't get IV fluids, pressors, blood products, and hemodialysis. And if you're a health care worker in West Africa you're fucked because not everyone has gloves/goggles/impermeable gowns to protect against nosocomial transmission. We can fix those two things in West Africa, but it's going to take lots of American funding and manpower.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 02, 2014, 02:05:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 02, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
:rolleyes: Moran. There are enough czars already.
In other news, Minister Farrakhan says the virus was created by white people to kill blacks (shock) and an anti-gun group is blaming the NRA for the outbreak.
Sweet Louie I can see, the anti gun group not so much. Link?
Twitter. Can't provide the link at work but here is the text:
QuoteEbola now in the US. Surgeon General should be leading the way on public health education but NRA stalled nomination. No outrage?
— States United (@CeasefireUSA) October 2, 2014
OK. Not really what you said.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 02, 2014, 02:12:38 PM
OK. Not really what you said.
But the Surgeon General has magical disease-killing powers. :(
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 02, 2014, 02:12:38 PM
OK. Not really what you said.
I figured you'd get all pedantic. Yes, I was a bit too general with what I said. :rolleyes:
How about "Anti-gun group uses US ebola case(s) as an excuse to take a shot at the NRA." Happy, Pappy??
Bubbly.
Tickety-boo.
Quote from: derspiess on October 02, 2014, 02:27:35 PM
How about "Anti-gun group uses US ebola case(s) as an excuse to take a shot at the NRA." Happy, Pappy??
I don't see why it matters which group takes a shot at the NRA and its lobbying efforts in Congress to delay the appointment of the Surgeon General for an administration that considers gun violence a public health issue. Would it make you feel better if it were the National Association of Realtors instead?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 02, 2014, 02:56:57 PM
I don't see why it matters which group takes a shot at the NRA and its lobbying efforts in Congress to delay the appointment of the Surgeon General for an administration that considers gun violence a public health issue.
I'm sure you don't.
QuoteWould it make you feel better if it were the National Association of Realtors instead?
Sure, Arch.
Quote from: derspiess on October 02, 2014, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 02, 2014, 02:56:57 PM
I don't see why it matters which group takes a shot at the NRA and its lobbying efforts in Congress to delay the appointment of the Surgeon General for an administration that considers gun violence a public health issue.
I'm sure you don't.
Question is, why do you? Other than being a gun nut, that is.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 02, 2014, 03:47:21 PM
Question is, why do you? Other than being a gun nut, that is.
They're trying to score cheap political points on an issue of concern that is not really related to their cause. People on my side do it as well and I find it equally annoying.
Quote from: derspiess on October 02, 2014, 03:50:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 02, 2014, 03:47:21 PM
Question is, why do you? Other than being a gun nut, that is.
They're trying to score cheap political points on an issue of concern that is not really related to their cause. People on my side do it as well and I find it equally annoying.
The lack of confirming a Surgeon General for over a year--one of many Presidential nominations your little bullshit buddies in Congress funded by the NRA insist on delaying--isn't a cheap political point. It's the head of the fucking US Public Health Service Corps, for fuck's sake.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 02, 2014, 04:02:26 PM
The lack of confirming a Surgeon General for over a year--one of many Presidential nominations your little bullshit buddies in Congress funded by the NRA insist on delaying--isn't a cheap political point. It's the head of the fucking US Public Health Service Corps, for fuck's sake.
Cut out the irrelevant anti-gun silliness and we'll confirm your nominee. Hell, bring back Elders. We could use some laughs.
I'm afraid of Ebola. The West is weak, and the Grand Effete in the White House hasn't got the balls.
Quote from: The Brain on October 02, 2014, 04:18:46 PM
the Grand Effete in the White House hasn't got the balls.
Disagree. I'm sure he has plenty.
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Quote from: derspiess on October 02, 2014, 04:15:14 PM
Hell, bring back Elders. We could use some laughs.
MASTURBASHAWNN
IS A SALUTATSHAWNNN
ERIC CLAPNER
Here we go. :(
Patient in isolation at Toronto hospital being tested for possible case of Ebola says UHN
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/10/02/patient_in_isolation_at_toronto_hospital_being_tested_for_possible_case_of_ebola.html
Machinegun all Canadians crossing the border.
Ok, now it is time to panic...
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 02, 2014, 07:59:08 PM
Machinegun all Canadians crossing the border.
To sap their strength to keep them from crossing the border we should go back to the tried and true tactics that won us our country and distribute ebola infected blankets to their women and children.
How about now?
Ask again later.
Quote from: Fate on October 02, 2014, 09:45:18 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 02, 2014, 08:02:57 PM
Ok, now it is time to panic...
No.
Easy for you to say. You dont have Spicey taking aim at you with a machine gun.
The Walking Dead?
Quote from: Josephus on October 02, 2014, 07:55:58 PM
Here we go. :(
Patient in isolation at Toronto hospital being tested for possible case of Ebola says UHN
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/10/02/patient_in_isolation_at_toronto_hospital_being_tested_for_possible_case_of_ebola.html
We had an Ebola-scare too yesterday, a journalist returning from West Africa was admitted to Hvidovre Hospital and they went crazy with space suits and what have you.
It was nothing.
Quote from: garbon on October 02, 2014, 01:57:41 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/219585-republicans-call-for-ebola-czar
QuoteRepublicans call for Ebola czar
Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) said Thursday that the lack of a central U.S. authority on Ebola has hindered lawmakers' ability to confront the crisis's major funding challenges.
Moran, ranking member on the Appropriations Committee's health subcommittee, said he doesn't know what resources are needed to control the outbreak because President Obama has not appointed one person to direct the response.
"There is no person to go to, to tell us how all this is going to be funded," Moran told Buzzfeed News. "And I don't think there is a plan internationally to bring the folks together to combat this."
Moran, who is also the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, is the latest Republican to criticize President Obama's leadership on the deadly disease that reached the U.S. this week.
His comments also amplify GOP calls for an "Ebola czar."
Republicans first called for the White House to appoint an official to oversee Ebola efforts, led by Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio).
"We are now more than six months into an Ebola epidemic and it remains unclear who is coordinating and leading the U.S. response," Portman wrote in a statement on Sept. 16. He said the lack of a U.S. coordinator has "led to a delay in an effective U.S. government response and an absence of financial and operational accountability."
The U.S. has committed more than $1 billion in an attempt to contain the outbreak, spread across a half-dozen executive agencies ranging from the Department of Homeland Security to the U.S. Agency for International Development.
Moran :lol:
Tim's hopes and dreams shattered
http://observationdeck.io9.com/ebola-is-not-that-contagious-1641839156
Quote from: HVC on October 03, 2014, 09:53:37 AM
Tim's hopes and dreams shattered
http://observationdeck.io9.com/ebola-is-not-that-contagious-1641839156
The reproductive rate of the Spanish Flu was only a little higher than Ebola.
Quote from: HVC on October 03, 2014, 09:53:37 AM
Tim's hopes and dreams shattered
http://observationdeck.io9.com/ebola-is-not-that-contagious-1641839156
Infectiousness isn't the only factor in throttling an outbreak, though.
At the far end of that chart is measles. The incubation period for that is minimum 7 days, more than three times the minimum incubation period of ebola at 2 days. That leaves a much smaller window of opportunity for detecting infected persons.
With two lapses, which is easy in a virus with such a rapid incubation people, in the same timeframe, those 2 people could infect 2 more people each, et cetera, so over the same amount of time, 1 person could be a vector for 8 new cases, as opposed to the 18 for measles. Within the time the measles has run its course in the first person infected by patient 0, the number of ebola-infected persons has outpaced measles.
While the incubation period can vary from 2-21 days in Ebola, it typically is 8-10. You'd need to a high viral load to become symptomatic in 2 days.
Speaking of viral loads...
Texas is literally worse than Liberia. :wacko:
1. Feeding folks who've been quarantined
2. Cleaning contaminated surfaces
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Yikes, looks like those troops should be sent to Texas instead of Liberia. Or maybe Liberian troops can be sent to Texas instead.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 03, 2014, 11:33:57 AM
Texas is literally worse than Liberia. :wacko:
1. Feeding folks who've been quarantined
2. Cleaning contaminated surfaces
If the pictures on the left were not useless overkill, I would agree with you.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 03, 2014, 11:33:57 AM
Texas is literally worse than Liberia. :wacko:
I keep telling people this yet everybody still keeps trying to move here.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 03, 2014, 10:11:06 AM
Quote from: HVC on October 03, 2014, 09:53:37 AM
Tim's hopes and dreams shattered
http://observationdeck.io9.com/ebola-is-not-that-contagious-1641839156
Infectiousness isn't the only factor in throttling an outbreak, though.
At the far end of that chart is measles. The incubation period for that is minimum 7 days, more than three times the minimum incubation period of ebola at 2 days. That leaves a much smaller window of opportunity for detecting infected persons.
With two lapses, which is easy in a virus with such a rapid incubation people, in the same timeframe, those 2 people could infect 2 more people each, et cetera, so over the same amount of time, 1 person could be a vector for 8 new cases, as opposed to the 18 for measles. Within the time the measles has run its course in the first person infected by patient 0, the number of ebola-infected persons has outpaced measles.
No. Ebola could never outpace a measles infection (in a naive population.) You can't ignore the way each virus is spread (direct contact w/ diarrhea/blood versus respiratory droplets) and the fact that the Ebola cannot be spread until persons are symptomatic while influenza and measles can be spread while persons are asymptomatic.
Not a good sign
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/03/nurses-unprepared-ebola_n_5926828.html
QuoteU.S. Nurses Say They Are Unprepared To Handle Ebola Patients
Reuters
Posted: 10/03/2014 10:00 am EDT Updated: 10/03/2014 10:59 am EDT
By Julie Steenhuysen
CHICAGO, Oct 3 (Reuters) - Nurses, the frontline care providers in U.S. hospitals, say they are untrained and unprepared to handle patients arriving in their hospital emergency departments infected with Ebola.
Many say they have gone to hospital managers, seeking training on how to best care for patients and protect themselves and their families from contracting the deadly disease, which has so far killed at least 3,338 people in the deadliest outbreak on record.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has repeatedly said that U.S. hospitals are prepared to handle such patients. Many infectious disease experts agree with that assessment.
Dr. Edward Goodman, an infectious disease doctor at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas that is now caring for the first Ebola patient to be diagnosed in this country, believed his hospital was ready.
The hospital had completed Ebola training just before Thomas Eric Duncan arrived in their emergency department on Sept. 26. But despite being told that Duncan had recently traveled from Liberia, hospital staff failed to recognize the Ebola risk and sent him home, where he spent another two days becoming sicker and more infectious.
"The Texas case is a perfect example," said Micker Samios, a triage nurse in the emergency department at Medstar Washington Hospital Center, the largest hospital in the nation's capital.
"In addition to not being prepared, there was a flaw in diagnostics as well as communication," Samios said.
Nurses argue that inadequate preparation could increase the chances of spreading Ebola if hospital staff fail to recognize a patient coming through their doors, or if personnel are not informed about how to properly protect themselves.
At Medstar, the issue of Ebola training came up at the bargaining table during contract negotiations.
"A lot of staff feel they aren't adequately trained," said Samios, whose job is to greet patients in the emergency department and do an initial assessment of their condition.
So Young Pak, a spokeswoman for the hospital, said it has been rolling out training since July "in the Emergency Department and elsewhere, and communicating regularly with physicians, nurses and others throughout the hospital."
Samios said she and other members of the emergency department staff were trained just last week on procedures to care for and recognize an Ebola patient, but not everyone was present for the training, and none of the other nursing or support staff were trained.
"When an Ebola patient is admitted or goes to the intensive care unit, those nurses, those tech service associates are not trained," she said. "The X-ray tech who comes into the room to do the portable chest X-ray is not trained. The transporter who pushes the stretcher is not trained."
If an Ebola patient becomes sick while being transported, "How do you clean the elevator?"
Nurses at hospitals across the country are asking similar questions.
A survey by National Nurses United of some 400 nurses in more than 200 hospitals in 25 states found that more than half (60 percent) said their hospital is not prepared to handle patients with Ebola, and more than 80 percent said their hospital has not communicated to them any policy regarding potential admission of patients infected by Ebola.
Another 30 percent said their hospital has insufficient supplies of eye protection and fluid-resistant gowns.
"If there are protocols in place, the nurses are not hearing them and the nurses are the ones who are exposed," said RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of National Nurses United, which serves as both a union and a professional association for U.S. nurses.
Unlike influenza or the common cold, which can be spread by coughing and sneezing, Ebola is only spread by contact with bodily fluids from someone who is actively sick. That means the risk to the average person is low, but for healthcare workers, the risk is much higher.
As of Aug. 25, more than 240 healthcare workers have developed the disease in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone, and more than 120 have died, according to the World Health Organization.
Many of these infections occurred when healthcare workers were removing the personal protective gear - masks, gowns, gloves or full hazmat suits used to care for the patients, said biosafety experts.
Sean Kaufman, president of Behavioral-Based Improvement Solutions, an Atlanta-based biosafety firm, helped coach nurses at Emory University through the process of putting on and taking off personal protective equipment (PPE) while they were caring for two U.S. aid workers flown to Atlanta after becoming infected with Ebola in West Africa.
Kaufman became known as "Papa Smurf" to the Emory nurses because of the blue hazmat suits he and others wore that resembled the cartoon character.
"Our healthcare workforce goes through so many pairs of gloves that they really don't focus on how they remove gloves. The putting on and the taking off doesn't occur with enough attention to protect themselves," he said.
Nurses say hospitals have not thought through the logistics of caring for Ebola patients.
"People say they are ready, but then when you ask them what do you actually have in place, nobody is really answering that," said Karen Higgins, a registered nurse at Boston Medical Center.
Higgins, an intensive care unit (ICU) nurse, said hospital officials have been teaching nurses on one of the regular floors how to care for an Ebola patient.
"I said, well, that's great, but if the patient requires an ICU, what is your plan," she said. "They looked at me blankly."
(Reporting by Julie Steenhuysen; Editing by Lisa Shumaker)
Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2014, 04:09:40 AM
Moran :lol:
Why is everyone misspelling that word recently? Is it some sort if statement?
Quote from: Razgovory on October 03, 2014, 08:00:59 PM
Why is everyone misspelling that word recently? Is it some sort if statement?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moran
And this dude's name is actually Moran. Unfortunately apt.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 03, 2014, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2014, 04:09:40 AM
Moran :lol:
Why is everyone misspelling that word recently? Is it some sort if statement?
Ignorant of Missouri's proud cultural heritage? For shame Raz.
1000 cases of Dengue fever a day in China? :unsure:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/Dengue-spreading-alarmingly-in-China-Report/articleshow/44314516.cms
Outbreak of Marburg fever in Uganda
http://kfm.co.ug/health/another-marburg-outbreak-confirmed-in-uganda.html
Liberia continues its inevitable collapse as the army melts down
http://www.liberianobserver.com/news/ebola-kills-8-soldiers
QuoteEbola Kills 8 Soldiers
Fri, 10/03/2014 - 00:24 admin
-Kesselly Barracks Deserted
By:
C.Y. Kwanue
At least eight soldiers, among them two commissioned officers and two medical staff, have reportedly lost their lives to the deadly Ebola virus disease (EVD), the Daily Observer has reliably learnt.
Those victimized by the EVD have been identified as, Private (PVT) Calvin Sackie, Corporals (Cpls) Florson Louise, Fanbiman Samuel, and Private First Class (Pfc) Anthony Sheriff.
Others are Sergeant (Sgt) Kromah, who was assigned as the Armed Forces of Liberia (AFL) medic and another medic from the Ministry of National Defense (MOD) identified as Annitta Sackie.
The two commissioned officers victimized by the EVD were up to press time not named.
The deceased, according to our source, contracted Ebola recently at the Edward Binyan Kesseley (EBK) Barracks when a lady unsuspected of carrying the disease, visited one of the victims, Cpl Floson Louise.
The 'concubine' who visited the late soldier has also been victimized by the disease. She is yet to be identified.
"When she slept at the EBK, it was thereafter the soldiers contracted the disease, and could not survive despite "intensive treatment" at the various Ebola Treatment Units in Monrovia," our source disclosed.
This latest setback among the rank and file of the already sparse number of soldiers has reportedly created panic among them, to the extent that some of them have begun to desert the various barracks across the country.
Based on this information, the Daily Observer yesterday contacted Defense Assistant Minister for Public Affairs, David K. Dahn, who neither confirmed nor denied the report.
He, however, told this newspaper via mobile phone, "The whole West Africa is being threatened by Ebola, of which the AFL is no exception, because they are among other Liberians being afflicted by the EVD."
He disclosed that the military is carrying out some measures at its barracks to decongest the soldiers. "This is why the barracks have become so quiet since the Ebola outbreak in the country."
The latest deaths of the soldiers sadly add to several Para-military and other security personnel, including officers of the Liberian National Police (LNP), that have died. Others, including close family members, had been quarantined and subsequently released, having completed their 21 days isolation.
Sierra Leone seems to have inexplicably decided to stop months of lying and reported 121 deaths in the last day. At least I hope they've stopped lying, if that's a substantial under count things are worse then I thought.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/06/us-health-ebola-leone-idUSKCN0HU0ZT20141006
Liberian government fiddles while Monrovia burns.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/world/africa/sierra-leone-ebola-medical-supplies-delayed-docks.html?_r=0
Tim, are your no-brainer one liner comments to the posted articles meant as a self-parody or are you being serious?
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 03, 2014, 09:30:36 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moran
And this dude's name is actually Moran. Unfortunately apt.
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Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2014, 03:02:57 AM
Tim, are your no-brainer one liner comments to the posted articles meant as a self-parody or are you being serious?
A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B.
I definitely post in that fashion because it's my personality here and it's expected of me, but they are serious in this case. I mean, what else can you say when entire nations are barreling towards their doom and the very people who have the responsibility to prevent it are facilitating it.
I think you are overreacting.
People are dying in throes in Africa because people are dying in throes in Africa. If it is not Ebola, then it is sectarian or tribal violence, famine or AIDS.
On the other hand, given that there have been 2 cases of Ebola in America during this outbreak so far, I don't think it is "really alarming" that all hospital staff everywhere is not fully trained to deal with Ebola patients, as it would be a massive waste of resources (I bet there are countless of other diseases with a similar near-zero occurence in the US for which the staff is not specifically trained either).
The problem is this has the potential to spiral out of control. If it didn't, then it'd be absurd to focus so much on Ebola when more people are dying of hunger each day or of any of the other diseases going about because of poor hygiene or whatever.
Because of the complete lack of effective intervention, the middle projection is now the conservative estimate. And it still hasn't been plausibly explained how we would have been able to handle and put a stop to an epidemic with more than 3,000 cases a day let alone the 10,000 that are projected by the middle line. Simply put, we can't. It's going to run out of control until the number of survivors outnumbers the number of uninfected.
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The report of 121 dead in one day in Sierra Leone was misreported after all, that was only the confirmed cases. If you added in the probable and suspected cases as Liberia and Guinea do then 245 died. :o
I really hope they're just finally adding in all those bodies they found during the quarantine, otherwise it's worse than even I thought.
Oct 4 report
http://health.gov.sl/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ebola-Situation-Report_Vol-129.pdf
Oct 5 report
http://health.gov.sl/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ebola-Situation-Report_Vol-130.pdf
Excellent tv report about Liberia from SkyNews's always good Alex Crawford, worth a viewing:
http://news.sky.com/story/1347989/ebola-deaths-hidden-as-fear-grips-liberia (http://news.sky.com/story/1347989/ebola-deaths-hidden-as-fear-grips-liberia)
Any idea if this has made it's way to China/India?
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 06, 2014, 08:25:10 AM
Any idea if this has made it's way to China/India?
Nah, but don't worry; it'll be China that's going to eventually give us the influenza bug that's really going to scare the piss out of you.
I will be scared for me, my friends and my family. But I will not fear for the species.
We need a major reduction in numbers anyway.
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2014, 05:03:35 AM
I think you are overreacting.
:o Nooooo. Tim-- overreact???
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 06, 2014, 09:00:56 AM
I will be scared for me, my friends and my family. But I will not fear for the species.
We need a major reduction in numbers anyway.
I think North America is fine. For other places, it might not hurt.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 06, 2014, 09:00:56 AM
We need a major reduction in numbers anyway.
Nah, we need more people. More people = higher GDP. We can squeeze more people onto this planet. Reclaim more land from the oceans. Make it so that every city has Hong Kong's level of density. Dig deeper into the ground. Taller buildings. Buildings all over the place. We need more people.
Cities like Hong Kong are unnatural. We're not ants.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 06, 2014, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 06, 2014, 09:00:56 AM
We need a major reduction in numbers anyway.
Nah, we need more people. More people = higher GDP. We can squeeze more people onto this planet. Reclaim more land from the oceans. Make it so that every city has Hong Kong's level of density. Dig deeper into the ground. Taller buildings. Buildings all over the place. We need more people.
Why would you want more competition for resources?
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 06, 2014, 09:00:56 AM
I will be scared for me, my friends and my family. But I will not fear for the species.
We need a major reduction in numbers anyway.
Yeah, we could use a little housekeeping.
BTW, Mono, you're not exactly doing your part if you want more people. :P
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SNL clips I saw from this weekend were pretty bad*but I did like the one part where they said "What sort of person travels to both Texas and Africa?" :D
*for a comedienne, Silverman sure was a dud.
Quote from: garbon on October 06, 2014, 09:27:31 AM
*for a comedienne, Silverman sure was a dud.
Standards and Practices were probably all over that.
Quote from: garbon on October 06, 2014, 09:27:31 AM*for a comedienne, Silverman sure was a dud.
Most female comedians are not funny.
This is true for most male comedians, too, but given that there are several times more male comedians than there are female ones, but shows try to maintain gender parity, we end up with many more unfunny female comedians in the spotlight.
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2014, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 06, 2014, 09:27:31 AM*for a comedienne, Silverman sure was a dud.
Most female comedians are not funny.
This is true for most male comedians, too, but given that there are several times more male comedians than there are female ones, but shows try to maintain gender parity, we end up with many more unfunny female comedians in the spotlight.
:rolleyes:
Most of my favorite comedians are women.
'Cause you're weird.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 06, 2014, 08:25:10 AM
Any idea if this has made it's way to China/India?
None, though there's a massive outbreak of Dengue Fever in China apparently.
Ebola spreading to India is more likely I think. Much larger, dirtier slums with less government control.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 06, 2014, 09:36:18 AM
'Cause you're weird.
Thinking about female comedians, I present a quick list below (not necessarily all faves but all funny):
Amy Poehler
Tina Fey
Mindy Kaling
Kristen Wiig
Maya Rudolph
Aisha Tyler
Anjelah Johnson
Those Broad City girls
Issa Rae
Sandra Bernhard
Quote from: garbon on October 06, 2014, 09:44:03 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 06, 2014, 09:36:18 AM
'Cause you're weird.
Thinking about female comedians, I present a quick list below (not necessarily all faves but all funny):
Amy Poehler
Tina Fey
Mindy Kaling
Kristen Wiig
Maya Rudolph
Aisha Tyler
Anjelah Johnson
Those Broad City girls
Issa Rae
Sandra Bernhard
Lisa Lampanelli would suck Martinus up into her v**ina, fold him like a paper football, and spit him back out.
Fey and Poehler are the funniest in your list and they're upstaged on their own shows.
Quote from: garbon on October 06, 2014, 09:44:03 AM
Thinking about female comedians, I present a quick list below (not necessarily all faves but all funny):
Amy Poehler
Tina Fey
Mindy Kaling
Kristen Wiig
Maya Rudolph
Aisha Tyler
Anjelah Johnson
Those Broad City girls
Issa Rae
Sandra Bernhard
Definitely some funny actresses there, but I'd dispute whether some are actually comedians.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 06, 2014, 09:47:46 AM
Fey and Poehler are the funniest in your list and they're upstaged on their own shows.
Ah, I should have also added Aubrey Plaza and Retta.
Aubrey is quite entertaining, I'll grant. But Nick Offenbach plays the funniest character on the show.
Offerman is pretty funny as well.
Aubrey is funny but kind of one dimensional. The guy who plays Jerry is funny and they use him perfectly on the show.
Yes, but his musical compositions aren't up to snuff.
Quote from: derspiess on October 06, 2014, 09:07:54 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 06, 2014, 09:00:56 AM
I will be scared for me, my friends and my family. But I will not fear for the species.
We need a major reduction in numbers anyway.
I think North America is fine. For other places, it might not hurt.
:yes:
Quote from: grumbler on October 06, 2014, 04:18:17 AM
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Yeah, KnowYourMeme's better about providing the actual origins.
Well, it looks like one of the nurses that attended a sick missionary we repatriated has been infected. Apparently would be the first ebola contagion outside Africa. Yay Spain!
It's been a pleasure.
Horse meet stable door ?
Quote
Ebola: US considers airport checks
People arriving in the US from Ebola-affected countries in West Africa could be subject to extra screening at airports, health officials say.
Extra checks at entry is one of the options under consideration as the US tries to limit the spread of its first confirmed case, a Liberian in Dallas.
President Barack Obama is to be briefed on the Ebola crisis later on Monday.
The outbreak is the world's deadliest, killing more than 3,400 people, mostly in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.
On Monday, there was the first case of contagion outside Africa when a Spanish nurse who treated an Ebola victim in Madrid contracted the virus herself.
....
Full article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29510173 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29510173)
Quote from: celedhring on October 06, 2014, 11:34:43 AM
Well, it looks like one of the nurses that attended a sick missionary we repatriated has been infected. Apparently would be the first ebola contagion outside Africa. Yay Spain!
It's been a pleasure.
It's all a ploy to avoid a Podemos victory in next year's elections. :ph34r:
Quote from: celedhring on October 06, 2014, 11:34:43 AM
Well, it looks like one of the nurses that attended a sick missionary we repatriated has been infected. Apparently would be the first ebola contagion outside Africa. Yay Spain!
It's been a pleasure.
It's starting to spread like wildfire. :cry:
Quote from: Josephus on October 06, 2014, 04:57:09 PM
It's starting to spread like wildfire. :cry:
USA, Spain, Norway are practically already gone.
On track for 400,000 cases by Christmas.
Starts talking about W. Africa at the 3:25~ mark
http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/watch/ebola-in-danger-of-never-going-away--337861187898
Quote from: Liep on October 06, 2014, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 06, 2014, 04:57:09 PM
It's starting to spread like wildfire. :cry:
USA, Spain, Norway are practically already gone.
the corpses are piled up in the streets.
Bring out your dead?
Looks like people will start dying of famine soon. This will also cause significant migration of desperately hungry people which will spread Ebola and other diseases among the weakened population.
http://wtaq.com/news/articles/2014/oct/02/food-crisis-looms-as-ebola-rampages-through-west-africa/
QuoteFood crisis looms as Ebola rampages through West Africa
Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:55 a.m. CDT
By Misha Hussain and Chris Arsenault
DAKAR/ROME (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - The mango season finished early for Mamadou Barry, a fruit vendor in Marche Kermel, an old covered market in the Senegalese capital Dakar. Where stalls once brimmed with tropical produce imported from neighboring Guinea, the Ebola-related border closure has emptied the tables.
Barry, of Guinean origin like many storekeepers in Senegal, has been going back and forth between the two countries for three years. He says the government's positive aim of keeping Senegal Ebola-free has had a negative impact on his livelihood.
"With the shortage of fruit coming in our income has decreased. Some people manage to sneak across the border and get back without being caught, but most of us don't take that risk so we can't provide for our families," said Barry, 55, as he closed down his stall for the day.
Much of the produce in Kermel makes its way via the southern towns of Diaoube and Kedougou, which act as important commercial hubs, linking traders from Senegal, Mali, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Guinea Bissau and the Gambia.
However, Senegal and a handful of West African nations have closed their borders with the Ebola-stricken countries in order to control the importation of the deadly virus, which has killed more than 3,000 people since March, about half of those it infects.
Experts say border closures, enforced by the Senegalese government contrary to advice given by the World Health Organization, could have a serious impact on regional trade and disproportionately affect the poor during a record year for hunger in the region.
A recent anecdotal survey by the Word Food Programme (WFP) showed current trade volumes in these markets were 50 percent below the levels at the same time last year, a direct result of the August border closure, the second this year.
At the weekly market in Diaoube, only half the stalls were set up on Wednesday, the official market day. Only 10 to 20 large trucks are supplying Diaoube now, compared with 100 on an average market day last year, the survey report said.
As a result palm oil, garri (local flour), fruit and coffee from Guinea are in short supply. The price of palm oil, an important food item for many poor households in the region that is traded in large quantities, has increased 40 percent in four weeks, the report said.
"The government closed the border to stop contamination between countries, not to stop trade, but people are still crossing the border and trade has stopped. It's counterproductive," said Jerome Bernard, food assistance expert at ECHO, the European Union's humanitarian arm.
"If Ebola remains unchecked and the border remains closed, there is high risk for prices to increase and disrupt regional trade in these grain-producing areas, especially during the upcoming harvest," Bernard said, noting that if the sea ports closed too it would spell catastrophe.
ABANDONED FARMS
At the supply end in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia, farmers frightened of contracting Ebola are staying away from their fields, prompting fears that a food crisis could follow the epidemic.
In Sierra Leone, for instance, preliminary data from the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) indicates that up to 40 percent of farms have been abandoned in the worst-affected areas.
"The Ebola outbreak is having a devastating impact on the agricultural and food sector of these countries," FAO economist Jean Senahoun told the Thomson Reuters Foundation in an interview.
"GDP growth has been cut in most of the affected countries. People will be out of work and won't be able to buy food, even if it's available in the markets," he said.
Agriculture drives economic growth in all three countries worst afflicted by Ebola. They stand to lose $359 million in economic output this year, according to the World Bank.
While worries of famine loom on the horizon, international organizations on the ground are focused on fighting immediate perils caused by the epidemic. The WFP has distributed around 6,000 tonnes of food to 430,000 people across the three countries since April.
"At the moment, the food response we are providing is really part of the medical response," WFP spokesman Alexis Masciarelli said in an interview with the Thomson Reuters Foundation.
A special vitamin-rich porridge, usually reserved for children suffering from malnutrition, is being fed to Ebola patients to help them regain strength during treatment and recovery.
Masciarelli worries that food prices could rise drastically in the medium term, but for now, treating Ebola victims is the first priority.
Back in Senegal, just days before the Muslim festival of sacrifice, Eid-al-Azha, which is observed in much of West Africa, Barry says opening the borders would be the best Eid present, but his thoughts are with his fellow countrymen.
"This year I don't have enough money to celebrate Eid, but for all my misfortune, the people in Guinea have it much worse than we do. I pray they can overcome this disease," he said.
(Reporting and writing by Misha Hussain in Dakar and Chris Arsenault in Rome; editing by Tim Pearce)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 06, 2014, 09:27:20 PM
On track for 400,000 cases by Christmas.
Starts talking about W. Africa at the 3:25~ mark
http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/watch/ebola-in-danger-of-never-going-away--337861187898
It's a Christmas miracle!
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This Spanish infection and possible secondary infections, suggest it was right to criticise the repatriation of western Ebola patients as too risky.
Donald Trump was right.
Tim was right.
I bow.
Of course the only case when there was a conscious repatriation had the patient cured with no secondary infections. But mongers, Tim and Trump know better.
If Ed's Randall Flag is meri going to be Mother Abigail? :hmm:
Quote from: mongers on October 07, 2014, 07:28:00 AM
This Spanish infection and possible secondary infections, suggest it was right to criticise the repatriation of western Ebola patients as too risky.
No, it suggests Spain's staff needs better training on how to put on and take off their personal protective equipment.
Quote from: Fate on October 07, 2014, 08:14:40 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 07, 2014, 07:28:00 AM
This Spanish infection and possible secondary infections, suggest it was right to criticise the repatriation of western Ebola patients as too risky.
No, it suggests Spain's staff needs better training on how to put on and take off their personal protective equipment.
Which was a risk that need not be confined to Madrid or the rest of the world?
Quote from: mongers on October 07, 2014, 08:53:23 AM
Quote from: Fate on October 07, 2014, 08:14:40 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 07, 2014, 07:28:00 AM
This Spanish infection and possible secondary infections, suggest it was right to criticise the repatriation of western Ebola patients as too risky.
No, it suggests Spain's staff needs better training on how to put on and take off their personal protective equipment.
Which was a risk that need not be confined to Madrid or the rest of the world?
In the 1980's everyone thought that patients with HIV should be quarantined and it was too much of a risk for doctors to treat them. I guess it's human nature to irrationally freak out about new infectious diseases. Ebola is not a significant risk in first world hospitals. The medical and public health community will have to repeat this a million more times before it sinks in but such is life.
Quote from: Fate on October 07, 2014, 09:26:38 AM
I guess it's human nature to irrationally freak out
Ebola in the West is like a really slow zombie. Sure, you can outrun them, kill them, hide from them for a while. The potential danger lies in numbers. Do we have the stomach to sink boats full of sick refugees? Probably not. Do we have the resources to quarantine and treat refugees? That depends on just how many we get. Every system has a breaking point.
Quote from: Fate on October 07, 2014, 08:14:40 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 07, 2014, 07:28:00 AM
This Spanish infection and possible secondary infections, suggest it was right to criticise the repatriation of western Ebola patients as too risky.
No, it suggests Spain's staff needs better training on how to put on and take off their personal protective equipment.
According to a phone interview just made with the husband of the patient (who is also hospitalized, as she went on vacation right after the last doctor that was sick with Ebola in her hospital died), she did 'Everything She Was Told To'.
http://www.elmundo.es/madrid/2014/10/07/5433dfe822601dd8798b458c.html (http://www.elmundo.es/madrid/2014/10/07/5433dfe822601dd8798b458c.html)
That said, a second nurse of the same team is now suspected of having Ebola and is hospitalized at the same place :ph34r:
The 1st nurse also gave signs on the 30th, but was sent home. It was only on the 6th, when she had all symptoms, that she went to an hospital - brought by a team with no particular protection. Only after Ebola was confirmed was she sent to the special area at the Carlos III hospital.
And now the cleaning staff at the other hospital is refusing to clean the premises, as they know not which precations to take.
Frankly, the husband would have no idea as a lay person if his wife indeed did "everything she was told to do." His statement is worthless.
It'd be worthwhile to hear from the nursing aid in question and the person who helped gown/ungown her.
My understanding is that Ebola is actually reasonably difficult to get - you have to have contact with bodily fluids, and it doesn't persist long outside the body.
Healthcare workers are of course at risk, as they must deal with sick people's bodily fluids, but this is not like an influenza epidemic - elementary precautions should keep a first-world population reasonably safe.
Now they want to kill the couple's dog :bleeding:
http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2014/10/07/actualidad/1412691591_113101.html
The husband posted a facebook appeal to the population to save the family's dog, because the authorities asked him for his permission to kill it. He refused, noting that before leaving they left him food and water for several days, and the varanda open so he can do his needs.
Now the chief of Health in Madrid said he would ask the court for a judicial order so that they could go inside and kill the dog.
He posted the dog's photo:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fep01.epimg.net%2Fpolitica%2Fimagenes%2F2014%2F10%2F07%2Factualidad%2F1412691591_113101_1412691691_noticia_normal.jpg&hash=78167c78f711dcfad7e2da6fde99cfaae1384974)
I don't think they can get infected unless it eats a dead body. :unsure:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 07, 2014, 07:18:08 PM
I don't think they can get infected unless it eats a dead body. :unsure:
Thank you, Dr. Douchebag.
Ebola burial crews on strike in Sierra Leone over unpaid hazard pay. I can't blame 'em, but this is just real bad news with regards to containment.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/10/07/us-health-ebola-leone-idINKCN0HW21U20141007
I guess the problem with predictions that Ebola has no chance of spreading in the civilised West is that they are based on a false assumption that the West does not include places like Spain, Romania, Poland or Texas. :hmm:
It really does sound post apocalyptic.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/runaway-doctors-missing-supplies-cripple-care-ebola-hit-liberia-n220686
http://news.sky.com/story/1349325/ebola-dead-abandoned-on-streets-after-strike
Spanish hospital is separating ebola-suspect cases.
Like this:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F444.hu%2Fassets%2F10704076_10202811307747638_5580640107884713508_n.jpg&hash=30aaa3dd1ab4eec332c165304016769612718f46)
That should be good enough, if a little impromptu.
It's not airborne?
Are you ready to die? Have you made your peace with your god?
Quote from: Liep on October 08, 2014, 07:42:46 AM
That should be good enough, if a little impromptu.
Enough when their blood and puke starts flowing all over the place?
The particular case depicted in the photo was chalked and confirmed as a negative, anyhow.
Quote from: Tamas on October 08, 2014, 07:44:50 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 08, 2014, 07:42:46 AM
That should be good enough, if a little impromptu.
Enough when their blood and puke starts flowing all over the place?
Well, as long as it's still a suspect case they shouldn't be spouting liquids all over the place. And I hope for Spain that they have actual isolation rooms if that time comes.
Quote from: Liep on October 08, 2014, 07:55:59 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 08, 2014, 07:44:50 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 08, 2014, 07:42:46 AM
That should be good enough, if a little impromptu.
Enough when their blood and puke starts flowing all over the place?
Well, as long as it's still a suspect case they shouldn't be spouting liquids all over the place. And I hope for Spain that they have actual isolation rooms if that time comes.
That's what I mean, it was a nurse that worked with the infected one that developed a slight fever; it wasn't considered a probable case given the incubation times didn't match, but she was tested all the same. They are going through all people that have been in contact with the infected nurse and keeping them under medical surveillance, but they can't reasonably put them all in isolation rooms - nor it seems reasonable.
Not to say that we haven't botched this; lot of medical workers are complaining about lack of effective training and overall readiness.
Every news piece that appears regarding the management of the outbreak in Madrid is more cringe worthy than the last. This must be the most shambolic management of a health crisis ever. If the world collapses in a zombie apocallipse it'll be because of our own ineptitude. So far we know:
- That the infected nurse was only tested for ebola at her own insistence, after being originally told to report to her local hospital for treatment, where she spent almost a whole day, instead of going directly to the hospital where she was working.
- That she knew she was infected from the news, not because it was officially communicated to her.
- That she was taken to hospital in a normal ambulance by unprotected operatives.
- That her appartment was only dissinfected today, even after neighbours had been trying to get help from the police and local authorities for several days.
- That her husband, who is also isolated in hospital, hasn't even been tested for ebola yet because he doesn't show any symptoms.
- That the original protocol for personnel that had been in contact with ebola patients was only to check their temperature twice per day and report if they had any fever.
- That the family dog will be put down even after experts ask for it to be quarantined so it can be studied and the role of animals in the transmission of ebola be better understood.
- That the first public hospital (La Paz) to be designed as reference for ebola was rejected because staff filed a formal complaint in court claiming it was unsuitable. Then another public hospital (Carlos III) got provisionally designed while a military hospital was equipped. The Carlos III, which used to be the national reference hospital for infectious diseases and pandemics, had been stripped of this status (halting staff training and drills in infectious diseases and) last year, as well as of laboratory and intensive care unit because it was transitioning to being a short stay hospital for the elderly. Hospital managers, when the second ebola victim brought back to Spain died in september, halted the adaptation of the hospital rooms devoted to patient isolation in order not to interfere with the refurbishing being done for the transition to short stay hospital.
- That official protocols were altered by the hospital management to adapt them to the infrastructural deficiencies of the hospital.
- That there was only one proper level 4 isolation suit that personnel should be using to deal with the sick, and it was only used for training purposes (which were only 45 minute sessions on how to wear them). Personnel were only given level 2 isolation suits, which are only suitable to deal with less infectious diseases like salmonella, influenza or smallpox.
- That more sanitary personnel had to be brought from La Paz hospital to the Carlos III hospital to work with ebola patients and were given no training whatsoever, under threats from the administrators if they refused. They had to be trained on the job by the undertrained personnel from the Carlos III.
- That high risk patients suspected to be infected are not taken into hospital through the standard route but through a basement where the kitchen and cafeteria are located, mingling in the way with staff and families of patients that use those premises, all in order to avoid being seen by the media camped outside the hospital.
This just shows what a terrible decision it was to repatriate the two sick missionaries and bring them here, when we didn't have the proper facilities to treat them.
Apparently the Spanish government tried to procure some doses of the experimental drug that proved to cure ebola patients when the missionaries were repatriated but it was said that there weren't any doses left anywhere in the world and it would take a long time to make some more. Now apparently the Norwegian government has been able to get some to treat the MSF Norwegian volunteer affected by ebola who has been repatriated recently.
Quote from: The Larch on October 08, 2014, 10:49:49 AM
- That she knew she was infected from the news, not because it was officially communicated to her.
For all the inadequacies this has to top it all. Wow.
What's the reasoning for putting down the dog?
Spite.
Quote from: Jacob on October 08, 2014, 11:04:12 AM
What's the reasoning for putting down the dog?
I've seen them note concern that dog could transmit virus.
On a different note, man who fled to Texas has died.
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2014, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: Jacob on October 08, 2014, 11:04:12 AM
What's the reasoning for putting down the dog?
I've seen them note concern that dog could transmit virus.
Which AFAIK hasn't been proven, it's a "better safe than sorry" reasoning.
The Dallas Zombie outbreak is about to start.
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 08, 2014, 11:17:59 AM
The Dallas Zombie outbreak is about to start.
Time to quarantine the state!
To all the Spanish languishites; it's been nice knowing you all. :cry:
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2014, 11:06:17 AM
On a different note, man who fled to Texas has died.
There goes the "0% mortality rate for Ebola if treated in the US" argument.
Quote from: The Larch on October 08, 2014, 11:12:17 AM
Which AFAIK hasn't been proven, it's a "better safe than sorry" reasoning.
Plus, there is no clue as to what the incubation period may be for the virus in dogs. For how long would you quarantine the dog, and could you ever in good conscience let it out of quarantine? probably more merciful, if less logical, to put the dog down now, than after effectively torturing it for a while as part of a medical study.
I read somewhere that dogs are asymptomatic carriers.
Quote from: The Larch on October 08, 2014, 10:49:49 AM
- That her husband, who is also isolated in hospital, hasn't even been tested for ebola yet because he doesn't show any symptoms.
Tests won't come back positive before he develops symptoms even if he has it.
Quote from: The Larch on October 08, 2014, 10:49:49 AM
Every news piece that appears regarding the management of the outbreak in Madrid is more cringe worthy than the last. This must be the most shambolic management of a health crisis ever. If the world collapses in a zombie apocallipse it'll be because of our own ineptitude. So far we know:
- That the infected nurse was only tested for ebola at her own insistence, after being originally told to report to her local hospital for treatment, where she spent almost a whole day, instead of going directly to the hospital where she was working.
- That she knew she was infected from the news, not because it was officially communicated to her.
- That she was taken to hospital in a normal ambulance by unprotected operatives.
- That her appartment was only dissinfected today, even after neighbours had been trying to get help from the police and local authorities for several days.
- That her husband, who is also isolated in hospital, hasn't even been tested for ebola yet because he doesn't show any symptoms.
- That the original protocol for personnel that had been in contact with ebola patients was only to check their temperature twice per day and report if they had any fever.
- That the family dog will be put down even after experts ask for it to be quarantined so it can be studied and the role of animals in the transmission of ebola be better understood.
- That the first public hospital (La Paz) to be designed as reference for ebola was rejected because staff filed a formal complaint in court claiming it was unsuitable. Then another public hospital (Carlos III) got provisionally designed while a military hospital was equipped. The Carlos III, which used to be the national reference hospital for infectious diseases and pandemics, had been stripped of this status (halting staff training and drills in infectious diseases and) last year, as well as of laboratory and intensive care unit because it was transitioning to being a short stay hospital for the elderly. Hospital managers, when the second ebola victim brought back to Spain died in september, halted the adaptation of the hospital rooms devoted to patient isolation in order not to interfere with the refurbishing being done for the transition to short stay hospital.
- That official protocols were altered by the hospital management to adapt them to the infrastructural deficiencies of the hospital.
- That there was only one proper level 4 isolation suit that personnel should be using to deal with the sick, and it was only used for training purposes (which were only 45 minute sessions on how to wear them). Personnel were only given level 2 isolation suits, which are only suitable to deal with less infectious diseases like salmonella, influenza or smallpox.
- That more sanitary personnel had to be brought from La Paz hospital to the Carlos III hospital to work with ebola patients and were given no training whatsoever, under threats from the administrators if they refused. They had to be trained on the job by the undertrained personnel from the Carlos III.
- That high risk patients suspected to be infected are not taken into hospital through the standard route but through a basement where the kitchen and cafeteria are located, mingling in the way with staff and families of patients that use those premises, all in order to avoid being seen by the media camped outside the hospital.
This just shows what a terrible decision it was to repatriate the two sick missionaries and bring them here, when we didn't have the proper facilities to treat them.
You don't test people early on in the incubation period because the test isn't sensitive until viral loads are higher.
Spain most certainly had the proper facilities to treat those two missionaries, unless you're seriously suggesting your medical system is no better off than Liberia. All you need to treat an Ebola patient is an IV, normal saline, blood transfusions, and appropriate PPE equipment/training.
You don't need BSL 4 level gear (e.g. spacesuits) to treat Ebola patients. You need an impermeable gown, latex gloves, a hood, boots, and goggles. The nurse apparently did not follow proper procedure when taking off her PPE if she in fact touched he face with a gloved hand.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 08, 2014, 11:30:47 AM
I read somewhere that dogs are asymptomatic carriers.
Yes this has been studied.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15757552
Quote from: Fate on October 08, 2014, 11:40:31 AM
You don't need BSL 4 level gear (e.g. spacesuits) to treat Ebola patients. You need an impermeable gown, latex gloves, a hood, boots, and goggles. The nurse apparently did not follow proper procedure when taking off her PPE if she in fact touched he face with a gloved hand.
For most people, it's pretty fucking hard to resist touching their faces. The impulse will be there no matter how much training you go through.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 08, 2014, 11:52:32 AM
Quote from: Fate on October 08, 2014, 11:40:31 AM
You don't need BSL 4 level gear (e.g. spacesuits) to treat Ebola patients. You need an impermeable gown, latex gloves, a hood, boots, and goggles. The nurse apparently did not follow proper procedure when taking off her PPE if she in fact touched he face with a gloved hand.
For most people, it's pretty fucking hard to resist touching their faces. The impulse will be there no matter how much training you go through.
If you've ever scrubbed into a surgery or performed a sterile procedure, you'll realize that it's fairly easy to suppress that need with training. We operate on patients with HIV and hepatitis C (highly contagious blood borne viruses) every day and don't think anything of it.
No clinical environment is 100% risk-free, PPE standards at not.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 08, 2014, 02:26:50 PM
No environment is 100% risk-free, PPE standards or not.
FYP
Like Ed's bathroom. BSL-4.
You have to nuke that shit from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Some people have a bathroom fan. Ed has a negative pressure incinerator.
Quote from: Fate on October 08, 2014, 01:40:46 PM
If you've ever scrubbed into a surgery or performed a sterile procedure, you'll realize that it's fairly easy to suppress that need with training. We operate on patients with HIV and hepatitis C (highly contagious blood borne viruses) every day and don't think anything of it.
Or even if you've worked with hazardous or disgusting materials. It's easy to remember not to touch your face when your gloves are covered in shit or viscera.
Easy to forget too.
For the record, rubbing your eyes when you've been chopping jalapenos is a very bad idea.
A Dallas Sheriff Deputy just showed up at a Frisco, Texas ER with Ebola-like symptoms. He had some sort of contact with Duncan per early news reports. They just rolled him into my hospital. Looks like this is just out of an abundance of caution, but we probably won't know until tomorrow if he tests positive or negative for the virus.
Jalapenos are nothing. Habaneros will keep you from ever doing it again.
Quote from: Fate on October 08, 2014, 03:09:06 PM
A Dallas Sheriff Deputy just showed up at a Frisco, Texas ER with Ebola-like symptoms. He had some sort of contact with Duncan per early news reports. They just rolled him into my hospital. Looks like this is just out of an abundance of caution, but we probably won't know until tomorrow if he tests positive or negative for the virus.
Remember to shoot for the brain, and in a prolonged zombie apocalypse, crowbars and axes do not need to reload.
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 08, 2014, 03:18:48 PM
Remember to shoot for the brain, and in a prolonged zombie apocalypse, crowbars and axes do not need to reload.
Woodcutter's axes tend to get stuck in skulls. Try to get something with a wider blade, like a sparth axe. Or something like a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i240YgsA_rs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i240YgsA_rs).
Quote from: Maximus on October 08, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 08, 2014, 03:18:48 PM
Remember to shoot for the brain, and in a prolonged zombie apocalypse, crowbars and axes do not need to reload.
Woodcutter's axes tend to get stuck in skulls. Try to get something with a wider blade, like a sparth axe. Or something like a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i240YgsA_rs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i240YgsA_rs).
Truth. :yes:
Time to spy out a secure location with a good water source and prepare adequate supplies for a 3 week stay? :ph34r: :tinfoil:
Quote from: mongers on October 08, 2014, 04:16:21 PM
Time to spy out a secure location with a good water source and prepare adequate supplies for a 3 week stay? :ph34r: :tinfoil:
Yeah, this'll be over in three weeks.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 08, 2014, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 08, 2014, 04:16:21 PM
Time to spy out a secure location with a good water source and prepare adequate supplies for a 3 week stay? :ph34r: :tinfoil:
Yeah, this'll be over in three weeks.
No, in the unlikely event that if it were to get a terrible hold upon the countries we live in, I figure at it's peak, give it another 3 weeks to burn itself out. :unsure:
I conducted another emergency meeting of the blue panel gold star 4H committee of my sock puppets and multiple personalities.
We conducted 2 votes:
1- we voted again 77-1 not to panic.
2- a vote of 78-0 to euthanize Tim.
Denmark has panicked. An African man, quite clearly of the East African persuasion, came into a hospital and was quarantined as an Ebola suspect. Turns out he hadn't been near Western Africa nor had any symptoms of Ebola.
But he was black, so..
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 08, 2014, 03:09:24 PM
Jalapenos are nothing. Habaneros will keep you from ever doing it again.
Yeah, well try taking contacts out after cutting habaneros & serranos, then putting them back in the next morning. I learned the hard way that that stuff just does not wash off easily & that it's best to use latex gloves when cutting/seeding chiles.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE
So the dude in Dallas died. This disease has a 100 per cent fatality rate in North America.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE
I just wet myself
Quote from: Josephus on October 09, 2014, 09:28:32 AM
So the dude in Dallas died. This disease has a 100 per cent fatality rate in North America.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE
Welcome to yesterday morning's news? :unsure:
Quote from: Josephus on October 09, 2014, 09:28:32 AM
So the dude in Dallas died. This disease has a 100 per cent fatality rate in North America.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE
Uh, American hospitals are currently 3 for 4 on saving Ebola patients.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 09, 2014, 09:47:57 AM
Uh, American hospitals are currently 3 for 4 on saving Ebola patients.
Hell, even 1 in 4 will get you to Cooperstown if you have enough RBIs.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/08/new-york-city-deploys-fake-patients-to-test-hospitals-on-ebola/
QuoteFake Ebola Patients Being Sent To NYC Emergency Rooms To Test Readiness
On the same day that Texas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan died, New York City hospitals were testing their readiness in the battle against the virus.
As WCBS 880's Paul Murnane reported, fake Ebola patients are being sent to local emergency rooms.
The pretend patients complain of fever, headaches and abdominal pain — Ebola syptoms that should trigger the question "have you traveled to West Africa?"
The testing has been going on for two to three weeks, the city's Health and Hospitals Corp. said.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told WCBS 880 he believes a large Ebola outbreak here is "extraordinarily unlikely."
"Where an Ebola patient becomes sick to the point where they're having a lot of fluids — blood or diarrhea — then the staff would wear this," he explained.
Health officials brought the media into the room to show how ready New York City is to treat the deadly virus.
"We are prepared," Wilson said at the event. "We have both the personnel, the equipment and the expertise to manage."
The isolation unit includes its own lab to limit the travel of specimens through the facility. All waste would receive intense, sterilizing heat before disposal.
Bellevue can house just a few patients in Ebola isolation, though Wilson said capacity can be expanded.
The precautions taken inside the hospital with potential Ebola patients are all listed on a detailed checklist sent out by the CDC. Guidelines have also been handed out to first responders.
In the field, paramedics and EMTs have to wear gear that will protect them from fluids. They're also urged to limit the use of needles and similar equipment while transporting a patient.
"We never know what we're walking into on an emergency, especially when someone invites us into their home who exhibits these symptoms," said EMT Crystal Wilfong.
Meanwhile in Westchester County on Wednesday, County Executive Rob Astorino said a patient being treated in a hospital there was concerned he might have contracted Ebola through contact with a traveler coming from West Africa, WCBS 880's Alex Silverman reported.
The man, a Westchester resident, was placed in isolation. But Astorino told reporters "The risk is extraordinarily low, and I believe they're not even going to test for Ebola in this case."
"The person did go in last night when we were notified, and the hospital took the right precaution," Astorino said. "The information that they had that it was not to the level of Ebola, but they are still in an observation stage.
"The hospital and staff did exactly what they were supposed to do and that's how it works, and that's how it'll improve, too, if and when there are more cases or a definitive case," the county executive and gubernatorial candidate added.
Astorino said 11 patients have raised concerns in Westchester, but none have been diagnosed with the disease.
Back in Texas, a second patient who may have been exposed to Ebola has been transported to a hospital by ambulance after walking into an urgent care clinic in Dallas with flu-like symptoms, CBS 2 reported.
The patient told doctors he had recently traveled from West Africa. He is currently undergoing testing.
A new layer of screening is being implemented at five U.S. airports that receive more than 94 percent of travelers from the Ebola-affected nations of Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, the CDC said Wednesday. The airports are John F. Kennedy and Newark Liberty, Dulles outside Washington, O'Hare in Chicago and Hartsfield-Jackson in Atlanta.
Customs and Border Protection agents at the five airports will check passports, take travelers from Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone to a special screening area, observe them for signs of illness and ask them a series of questions about their health and possible exposure to Ebola.
If any red flags are raised, they would then be evaluated at a CDC quarantine station.
Quote from: garbon on October 09, 2014, 09:36:50 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 09, 2014, 09:28:32 AM
So the dude in Dallas died. This disease has a 100 per cent fatality rate in North America.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE
Welcome to yesterday morning's news? :unsure:
yeah, well I was busy yesterday.
Add Macedonia to the Doomed Countries list.
nuts!
Quote from: Liep on October 09, 2014, 02:08:27 PM
Add Macedonia to the Doomed Countries list.
Allegedly the Brit travelled there straight from the UK.
Made me wonder... if the virus gets into a closely knit immigrant community, how long before the NHS learns about it?
Quote from: Liep on October 09, 2014, 02:08:27 PM
Add Macedonia to the Doomed Countries list.
Fuck. I know a Macedonian.
WE ARE DOOMED.
Wait...which Macedonia? The Greek one?
FYROM
60 days to stop Ebola
World health chiefs have called it the most serious outbreak since Aids, with almost 4,000 people now dead. What are the latest efforts to help stop the Ebola outbreak?
Quote
Ebola challenge 'biggest since Aids'
The Ebola outbreak in West Africa is unlike anything since the emergence of HIV/Aids, top US medical official Thomas Frieden has said.
A fast global response could ensure that it did not become "the next Aids," the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said.
The presidents of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea appealed for more aid to help fight the disease.
The outbreak has killed more than 3,860 people, mainly in West Africa.
More than 200 health workers are among the victims.
......
Full article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29555849 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29555849)
Quote from: Tamas on October 09, 2014, 03:32:29 PM
Allegedly the Brit travelled there straight from the UK.
Made me wonder... if the virus gets into a closely knit immigrant community, how long before the NHS learns about it?
Probably as soon as with anyone else. Seriously sick people go to the doctor. It isn't as though there are subpopulations in the UK maintaining their own under the radar hospitals and cemetaries for the dead.
Quote from: mongers on October 09, 2014, 06:26:27 PM
60 days to stop Ebola
World health chiefs have called it the most serious outbreak since Aids, with almost 4,000 people now dead. What are the latest efforts to help stop the Ebola outbreak?
Quote
Ebola challenge 'biggest since Aids'
The Ebola outbreak in West Africa is unlike anything since the emergence of HIV/Aids, top US medical official Thomas Frieden has said.
A fast global response could ensure that it did not become "the next Aids," the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said.
The presidents of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea appealed for more aid to help fight the disease.
The outbreak has killed more than 3,860 people, mainly in West Africa.
More than 200 health workers are among the victims.
......
Full article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29555849 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29555849)
We're boned. :(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-ominous-math-of-the-ebola-epidemic/2014/10/09/3cad9e76-4fb2-11e4-8c24-487e92bc997b_story.html
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FivpgnSW.png&hash=97a456af1fb0a6bab9c1c0c897a1c25bdfd0d784)
We're all dieing. You were right Timmy.
Luckily, I'm not orange.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 10, 2014, 08:50:28 AM
Luckily, I'm not orange.
get out of the basement, Seedy, you look pale.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 10, 2014, 08:49:53 AM
We're all dieing. You were right Timmy.
From that graphic, I noticed that apparently Europe/China/Latin America/Russia (rest of the world...) should be stepping it up as the US apparently doesn't got this one.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 10, 2014, 02:30:07 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 09, 2014, 06:26:27 PM
60 days to stop Ebola
World health chiefs have called it the most serious outbreak since Aids, with almost 4,000 people now dead. What are the latest efforts to help stop the Ebola outbreak?
Quote
Ebola challenge 'biggest since Aids'
The Ebola outbreak in West Africa is unlike anything since the emergence of HIV/Aids, top US medical official Thomas Frieden has said.
A fast global response could ensure that it did not become "the next Aids," the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said.
The presidents of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea appealed for more aid to help fight the disease.
The outbreak has killed more than 3,860 people, mainly in West Africa.
More than 200 health workers are among the victims.
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Full article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29555849 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29555849)
We're boned. :(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-ominous-math-of-the-ebola-epidemic/2014/10/09/3cad9e76-4fb2-11e4-8c24-487e92bc997b_story.html
We're boned or they're boned?
Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2014, 08:54:02 AM
We're boned or they're boned?
Bet you this kills more Americans than Benghazi.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2014, 09:00:42 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2014, 08:54:02 AM
We're boned or they're boned?
Bet you this kills more Americans than Benghazi.
Yeah, but how can we blame Obama?
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 09, 2014, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 09, 2014, 09:28:32 AM
So the dude in Dallas died. This disease has a 100 per cent fatality rate in North America.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE
Uh, American hospitals are currently 3 for 4 on saving Ebola patients.
Ok. I'm now challenging this assumption. Everything I read shows there was one (1) confirmed ebola case in the US of A. And that person is dead.
1/1*100= 100
Quote from: Josephus on October 10, 2014, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 09, 2014, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 09, 2014, 09:28:32 AM
So the dude in Dallas died. This disease has a 100 per cent fatality rate in North America.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE
Uh, American hospitals are currently 3 for 4 on saving Ebola patients.
Ok. I'm now challenging this assumption. Everything I read shows there was one (1) confirmed ebola case in the US of A. And that person is dead.
1/1*100= 100
We've shipped infected Americans (I believe all had symptoms) back to the US to get treated.
He's right that it's 1 for 1 for black Americans though. :P
Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2014, 09:22:22 AM
He's right that it's 1 for 1 for black Americans though. :P
I'm not sure I'd consider him a black American given that he was not a US citizen but a citizen of Liberia.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/health/ebola-duncan-death-cause/index.html
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2014, 09:00:42 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2014, 08:54:02 AM
We're boned or they're boned?
Bet you this kills more Americans than Benghazi.
Not sure what your point is there.
Quote from: Josephus on October 10, 2014, 09:15:59 AM
Ok. I'm now challenging this assumption. Everything I read shows there was one (1) confirmed ebola case in the US of A. And that person is dead.
1/1*100= 100
The US has had 4 cases of Ebola imported from West Africa, and 0 cases contracted in the US (so far). Thus, the US is either 3/4 or 0/0. I don't think you can separate the Liberian from the repatriated Americans just because the Liberian was asymptomatic when he showed up. He still entered the country infected.
Can Liberia ship some of the infected to Syria for treatment? Two birds one stone kinda deal?
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 10, 2014, 10:53:15 AM
Can Liberia ship some of the infected to Syria for treatment? Two birds one stone kinda deal?
Then AQ will start shipping ebola infected around the world to spit in your food.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 10, 2014, 10:54:47 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 10, 2014, 10:53:15 AM
Can Liberia ship some of the infected to Syria for treatment? Two birds one stone kinda deal?
Then AQ will start shipping ebola infected around the world to spit in your food.
OK, this needs more planning, thank you.
Quote from: lustindarkness on October 10, 2014, 10:53:15 AM
Can Liberia ship some of the infected to Syria for treatment? Two birds one stone kinda deal?
ISIS is too busy trying to load it up on Mexicans and bring it across the southern border, or haven't you been watching Fox News.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 10, 2014, 11:08:53 AM
ISIS is too busy trying to load it up on Mexicans and bring it across the southern border, or haven't you been watching Fox News.
Don't worry, Gov. Hairgel will protect us.
ISIS is so behind the times. Forget Mexicans, they're not coming across the border. Go after the Guatemalan children.
OK, this is getting fucking ridiculous:
Guy with a headache was just escorted off the plane by hazmat here in Dallas.]http://www.reddit.com/r/Dallas/comments/2iuf4h/guy_with_a_headache_was_just_escorted_off_the/]Guy with a headache was just escorted off the plane by hazmat here in Dallas. (http://www.reddit.com/r/Dallas/comments/2iuf4h/guy_with_a_headache_was_just_escorted_off_the/)
Wasn't that because he 'jokingly' claimed to have Ebola himself? Don't shout BOMB! either.
Quote from: Liep on October 10, 2014, 01:27:06 PM
Wasn't that because he 'jokingly' claimed to have Ebola himself? Don't shout BOMB! either.
A little common sense goes a long way.
Idiots should be shot.
Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2014, 02:31:17 PM
A little common sense goes a long way.
So does Ebola. :mad: :panic:
Jail time for the dude who said he has Ebola would be way too much.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2014, 05:40:45 PM
Jail time for the dude who said he has Ebola would be way too much.
Disagree. At this point it's like yelling fire in a crowded theatre.
Death penalty is the better option.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2014, 05:40:45 PM
Jail time for the dude who said he has Ebola would be way too much.
Solitary confinement for a couple weeks.
Quote from: Josephus on October 10, 2014, 05:46:40 PM
Disagree. At this point it's like yelling fire in a crowded theatre.
Death penalty is the better option.
If the crew had asked him if he had Ebola and he had said yes i sure do, then I could see it. He was making a joke and he said as much. If we're going to criminalize anything which makes people overreact we need to start jailing people who sneeze too.
It's no different than the post 9-11 hysteria and someone making a bomb joke on a plane.
Quote from: Josephus on October 10, 2014, 06:53:09 PM
It's no different than the post 9-11 hysteria and someone making a bomb joke on a plane.
9/11 was essentially national trauma. it made more sense for society to react sensitively to those jokes. ebola is nothing in the US. it would be different if we were experiencing something similar to liberia, but we're not.
Articles of surrender are being drafted as we speak. :(
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/11/world/africa/officials-admit-a-defeat-by-ebola-in-sierra-leone.html?referrer=&_r=0
QuoteOfficials Admit a 'Defeat' by Ebola in Sierra Leone
By ADAM NOSSITEROCT. 10, 2014
FREETOWN, Sierra Leone — Acknowledging a major "defeat" in the fight against Ebola, international health officials battling the epidemic in Sierra Leone approved plans on Friday to help families tend to patients at home, recognizing that they are overwhelmed and have little chance of getting enough treatment beds in place quickly to meet the surging need.
The decision signifies a significant shift in the struggle against the rampaging disease. Officials said they would begin distributing painkillers, rehydrating solution and gloves to hundreds of Ebola-afflicted households in Sierra Leone, contending that the aid arriving here was not fast or extensive enough to keep up with an outbreak that doubles in size every month or so.
"It's basically admitting defeat," said Dr. Peter H. Kilmarx, the leader of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's team in Sierra Leone, adding that it was "now national policy that we should take care of these people at home."
"For the clinicians it's admitting failure, but we are responding to the need," Dr. Kilmarx said. "There are hundreds of people with Ebola that we are not able to bring into a facility."
The effort to prop up a family's attempts to care for ailing relatives at home does not mean that officials have abandoned plans to increase the number of beds in hospitals and clinics. But before the beds can be added and doctors can be trained, experts warn, the epidemic will continue to grow.
C.D.C. officials acknowledged that the risks of dying from the disease and passing it to loved ones at home were serious under the new policy — "You push some Tylenol to them, and back away," Dr. Kilmarx said, describing its obvious limits.
But many patients with Ebola are already dying slowly at home, untreated and with no place to go. There are 304 beds for Ebola patients in Sierra Leone now, but 1,148 are needed, the World Health Organization reported this week. So officials here said there was little choice but to try the new approach as well.
"For the first time, the nation is accepting the possibility of home care, out of necessity," said Jonathan Mermin, another C.D.C. official and physician here. "It is a policy out of necessity."
Faced with similar circumstances in neighboring Liberia, where even more people are dying from the disease, the American government said last month that it would ship 400,000 kits with gloves and disinfectant.
"The home kits are no substitute for getting people" to a treatment facility, said Sheldon Yett, the Unicef director for Liberia. "But the idea is to ensure that if somebody has to take care of somebody at home, they're able to do so."
More than 4,000 people have died from the outbreak in West Africa, but the United Nations funding appeal remains woefully short, with countries pledging only one-fourth of the $1 billion that the world body says it needs to contain the disease, the United Nations deputy secretary general, Jan Eliasson, told the General Assembly on Friday.
Britain has pledged to get an additional 400 beds into urban areas around Sierra Leone by sometime next month. More rudimentary holding centers for patients awaiting space in hospitals are planned by the government here. And promises of international aid have increased substantially since the outbreak was first identified in neighboring Guinea in March.
But on Friday, Sory Sesay, 2, lay face down on a bench at his home, an arm dangling, his eyes open, listless and apathetic.
What remained of his family was sitting immobilized on the front porch with him at their house in Waterloo, just outside Freetown, Sierra Leone's capital. All of them were sick: his father, who had already lost his wife and daughter; his 11 year-old brother; and a 16-year-old neighbor, whose mother had already died.
They had no painkillers, no rehydrating solution, and only a sack of rice to eat.
"The government has not yet come in to assist us," said Sheka Dumbuya, the local community leader. "Mr. Sesay is actually traumatized. We took them the day before yesterday to the health center, but there is no space for them."
In a sign of the difficulties confronting the growing epidemic here, Stephen Gaojia, the head of the government agency overseeing the Ebola response here, angrily denied that the policy to help ailing families at home had been adopted. C.D.C. officials said he left the meeting before the vote took place.
"We are not so desperate as to go to that level right now," Mr. Gaojia said.
An official with the World Health Organization in Sierra Leone, Dr. Zabulon Yoti, said that the decision on Friday would help people with no other options. "We support the families," he said. "They should have some basic things as they are struggling" to take care of their families.
Down the hilly road from Mr. Sesay's house, at the local health center in Waterloo, people with Ebola-like symptoms drifted in to be registered, but most of them "sneak away and go home" because there are no services for them, said Alhassan Bangura, a health worker.
A holding center is being set up — the government is banking on them all over the country — but in some places these facilities are little more than death traps, offering scant treatment or hope for the people inside.
Nobody knows exactly how many have died from Ebola in this country. The government figure of 900 to 1,000 is thought by international officials to be a serious underestimation. Even some senior government figures have suggested it is untruthful, and the situation in holding centers and cemeteries suggests the government number is far from reality.
A man arrived at the Waterloo health center on Friday, clutching his seriously ill 4-year-old daughter. He had ridden from a town more than 100 miles away in a taxi shared with others — possibly exposing them to the virus — and he was exhibiting Ebola symptoms. The girl, her eyes open, was rigid in his arms. She had high fever, diarrhea and had vomited — classic symptoms.
A nurse shouted angrily at the man from a few feet away, close enough to be infected: "Are you trying to spread the virus?"
He was too ill to respond.
On the porch of the center lay a corpse, a man dead shortly after arrival. Perpendicular to him lay a patient, still alive but rigid, motionless and prostrate. Inside the center, a few yards away and unprotected from them, dozens of patients had crowded in, seeking treatment for other illnesses.
In another section of Waterloo, burial team workers said they had collected 15 corpses in less than a week, and they carried away another on Friday, spraying it with chlorine as they left. The community chief denied that Ebola was present — health care workers at the clinic insisted it was — and attributed the deaths there to "witchcraft."
Aissata Kargbo sat at the edge of her bed in a darkened house off the dirt road, trembling and unable to speak. Her brother, trying to take care of her, said he had no medicine, that there was no space at any treatment center, and that even an ambulance that had come into the community had no room for her.
"When people are sick, you want to touch them," said the brother, Mohammed Kargbo. "Now, I cannot even touch her. It is a problem."
Somini Sengupta contributed reporting from the United Nations and Norimitsu Onishi from Monrovia, Liberia.
I think my cold has mutated into Ebola. Please panic.
Relax.
Not surprising given how sloppy they were.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29587803
QuoteEbola: Health care worker tests positive at Texas hospital
A Texas health care worker who treated US Ebola victim Thomas Duncan before his death has tested positive for the virus, officials say.
"We knew a second case could be a reality, and we've been preparing for this possibility," said Dr David Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services.
Mr Duncan, who caught the virus in his native Liberia, died at a Dallas hospital on Wednesday.
The health worker has not been named.
Mr Duncan tested positive in Dallas on 30 September, 10 days after arriving on a flight from Monrovia via Brussels.
He became ill a few days after arriving in the US, but after going to hospital and telling medical staff he had been in Liberia, he was sent home with antibiotics.
He was later put into an isolation unit at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas but died despite being given an experimental drug.
It is not clear at which point the health worker, who has tested positive in a preliminary test, came into contact with Mr Duncan.
The current Ebola outbreak, concentrated in Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, has resulted in more than 8,300 confirmed and suspected cases, and at least 4,033 deaths.
Relax, it'll just be a slow trickle of cases in the West while the epidemic is burning itself out.
Languish is full of Ayn Rand Assburger fucktards. A means A.
Some choice quotes in here.
http://reliefweb.int/report/liberia/keynote-address-regional-committee-western-pacific-sixty-fifth-session-manila (http://reliefweb.int/report/liberia/keynote-address-regional-committee-western-pacific-sixty-fifth-session-manila)
QuoteKeynote address to the Regional Committee for the Western Pacific, Sixty-fifth session Manila, Philippines, 13 October 2014
Report from World Health Organization
Published on 13 Oct 2014
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Mr Chairman, Excellencies, honourable ministers, distinguished delegates, Dr Shin, ladies and gentlemen,
The Director-General sends you her best wishes for a productive session. She is fully occupied with coordinating the international response to what is unquestionably the most severe acute public health emergency in modern times.
I am delivering her messages to you, in the words she wanted to use.
I begin here.
These days, people from WHO are expected to say something about the Ebola outbreak that is raving parts of West Africa. I will do so as well.
In my long career in public health, which includes managing the H5N1 and SARS outbreaks in Hong Kong, and managing the 2009 influenza pandemic at WHO, I have never before seen a health event attract such a high level of international media coverage, day after day after day. I have never seen a health event strike such fear and terror, well beyond the affected countries.
I have never seen a health event threaten the very survival of societies and governments in already very poor countries. I have never seen an infectious disease contribute so strongly to potential state failure.
All of this was confirmed on 18 September when the UN Security Council convened an unprecedented emergency session to address what has moved from a public health crisis to become a crisis for international peace and security.
I will not give you the latest figures for cases and deaths, as the number of new cases is now rising exponentially in the three hardest-hit countries, Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone.
But I will use the outbreak to show how some messages, some key arguments that WHO has been making for decade, are now falling on receptive ears.
First, the outbreak spotlights the dangers of the world's growing social and economic inequalities. The rich get the best care. The poor are left to die.
Second, rumours and panic are spreading faster than the virus. And this costs money.
Ebola sparks nearly universal fear. Fear vastly amplifies social disruption and economic losses well beyond the outbreak zones.
The World Bank estimates that 90% of economic losses during any outbreak arise from the uncoordinated and irrational efforts of the public to avoid infection.
Third, when a deadly and dreaded virus hits the destitute and spirals out of control, the whole world is put at risk.
Our 21st century societies are interconnected, interdependent, and electronically wired together as never before.
Fourth, decades of neglect of fundamental health systems and services mean that a shock, like an extreme weather event in a changing climate, armed conflict, or a disease run wild, can bring a fragile country to its knees.
In the simplest terms, this outbreak shows how one of the deadliest pathogens on earth can exploit any weakness in the health infrastructure, be it inadequate numbers of health care staff or the virtual absence of isolation wards and intensive care facilities throughout much of sub-Saharan Africa.
You cannot build these systems up during a crisis. Instead, they collapse.
A dysfunctional health system means zero population resilience to the range of shocks that our world is delivering, with ever greater frequency and force.
We know that higher numbers of deaths from other causes are occurring, whether from malaria and other infectious diseases, or zero capacity for safe childbirth.
Here is one of the few things WHO is glad to see.
When presidents and prime ministers in non-affected countries make statements about Ebola, they rightly attribute the outbreak's unprecedented spread and severity to the "failure to put basic public health infrastructures in place."
Fifth, Ebola emerged nearly 40 years ago. Why are clinicians still empty-handed, with no vaccines and no cure? Because Ebola has been, historically, geographically confined to poor African nations.
The R&D incentive is virtually non-existent. A profit-driven industry does not invest in products for markets that cannot pay.
We have been trying to make this issue visible for ages, most recently through the deliberations of the Consultative Expert Working Group on Research and Development: Financing and Coordination.
Finally, the world is ill-prepared to respond to any severe, sustained, and threatening public health emergency.
This statement may sound familiar to some of you, as it was one of the main conclusions of the IHR Review Committee convened to assess the response to the 2009 influenza pandemic.
The Ebola outbreak proves, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that this conclusion was spot on.
Thank you.
Day 3 of my Ebola/cold. I have taken to the basement to await socitey's collapse. I put a mask on and played with my organ.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 13, 2014, 09:24:40 AM
I put a mask on and played with my organ.
Think of me... think of me fondly, when we've said goodbye. :hug:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 13, 2014, 06:28:34 AM
Some choice quotes in here.
http://reliefweb.int/report/liberia/keynote-address-regional-committee-western-pacific-sixty-fifth-session-manila (http://reliefweb.int/report/liberia/keynote-address-regional-committee-western-pacific-sixty-fifth-session-manila)
QuoteKeynote address to the Regional Committee for the Western Pacific, Sixty-fifth session Manila, Philippines, 13 October 2014
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Fifth, Ebola emerged nearly 40 years ago. Why are clinicians still empty-handed, with no vaccines and no cure? Because Ebola has been, historically, geographically confined to poor African nations.
The R&D incentive is virtually non-existent. A profit-driven industry does not invest in products for markets that cannot pay.
We have been trying to make this issue visible for ages, most recently through the deliberations of the Consultative Expert Working Group on Research and Development: Financing and Coordination.
......
Tim, you forgot to bold this bit.
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 01, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
The hysteria is pretty retarded. Unless you're in a third world country a virus like Ebola isn't much of a concern. The reason it's so bad in Africa is that they don't have the capacity to isolate those with the virus so the sick end up being cared for at home. Those caretakers then get infected and the chain of death continues. Not a single physician with Doctor's Without Borders has gotten Ebola because isolation and contact/droplet precautions works. Most hospitals in America are capable of treating Ebola patients.
No physicians, but quite a few of their staff has.
Yet no staff in the United States has become infected while treating an Ebola patient. This is because we have the technical capability to run an isolation unit and we have an almost endless supply of appropriate personal protective equipment in every hospital in America. These kinds of conditions don't exist in Africa.
Hubris?
Apparently there wasn't sufficient incentive for public R&D either mongers.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 13, 2014, 06:59:54 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 01, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
The hysteria is pretty retarded. Unless you're in a third world country a virus like Ebola isn't much of a concern. The reason it's so bad in Africa is that they don't have the capacity to isolate those with the virus so the sick end up being cared for at home. Those caretakers then get infected and the chain of death continues. Not a single physician with Doctor's Without Borders has gotten Ebola because isolation and contact/droplet precautions works. Most hospitals in America are capable of treating Ebola patients.
No physicians, but quite a few of their staff has.
Yet no staff in the United States has become infected while treating an Ebola patient. This is because we have the technical capability to run an isolation unit and we have an almost endless supply of appropriate personal protective equipment in every hospital in America. These kinds of conditions don't exist in Africa.
Hubris?
I don't think we should take too much issue with Fate, I can understand were he is coming from.
But this Texan incident does seems a bit odd, first the authorities come out and point the finger of blame at the nurse, now they're retracing and saying it may be a procedural problem. Sounds like they need to re-examine the procedures and combine those with current best international practice.
One things for sure, it isn't going to be a walk in the park for the US service personnel over there, those going or others from additional countries. I don't envy them the challenges they're gonna face.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 13, 2014, 06:59:54 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Yet no staff in the United States has become infected while treating an Ebola patient. This is because we have the technical capability to run an isolation unit and we have an almost endless supply of appropriate personal protective equipment in every hospital in America. These kinds of conditions don't exist in Africa.
Hubris?
The statement was true when he made it. Conditions change.
WHO Guy needs to stop QQing, and jack up Bill and Melinda for more money.
QuoteFifth, Ebola emerged nearly 40 years ago. Why are clinicians still empty-handed, with no vaccines and no cure?
Because the vast majority of the 400+ known viral hemorrhagic fevers are nasty ass rRNA viruses that have no cure. There are 4 different flavors of dengue fever, and if you're treated for one of them it actually increases your chances of infectibility for the other 3. That's the sort of nasty shit this kind of stuff is.
QuoteBecause Ebola has been, historically, geographically confined to poor African nations.
Ebola and other hemorrhagic fevers have always been geographically confined. Look at hantavirus; its been confined to the American southwest. Why? Because that's where it's North American carrier, the deer mouse, is. But yeah, the lack of a cure is all about racism, we get it.
QuoteThe R&D incentive is virtually non-existent. A profit-driven industry does not invest in products for markets that cannot pay.
The United States government thinks otherwise and it has the NIH, CDC, FDA, USDA and USAMRIID labs to prove it. There has been some serious post-doctorate experimental work in recombinant DNA involving shit like Ebola that being done on the Federal level for several years. Just because Pfizer isn't working on it doesn't mean others aren't.
Quote
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Today in Parasitic Capitalism: Ebola.com Squatter Wants $150K for Domain
ForeignPolicy.com
Let's say you are someone who has recently returned from traveling in West Africa. You have visited an Ebola-ravaged country. You are understandably worried about contracting the disease during this worst-ever epidemic and, upon returning home, you catch a fever. You might then go online to try to find information about the disease and to assess whether the crippling fear you are experiencing is, in fact, well placed. That search might lead you to Ebola.com, but little do you know that that site is nothing but a moneymaking ploy.
In today's information economy, there are few more useless money-grubbers than domain squatters, and that is exactly who owns Ebola.com. Blue String Ventures, the company sitting on the domain, is asking for a mere $150,000 to transfer ownership of the site.
"Ebola.com would be a great domain for a pharmaceutical company working on a vaccine or cure, a company selling pandemic or disaster-preparedness supplies, or a medical company wishing to provide information and advertise services," Jon Schultz, Blue String's president, told CNBC. "There could be many other applications as well. With so many people concerned about the disease, any advertisement referring people to Ebola.com should get an excellent response."
So far, more than 4,000 people have died of the virus, and on Monday, the director of the World Health Organization, Margaret Chan, called the outbreak "unquestionably the most severe, acute public health emergency in modern times." Naturally, there is money to be made.
Schultz called his $150,000 price tag "not a tremendous amount for a premium domain."
WHAT A COUNTRY!
See? Who needs a degree in entrepreneurship? :lol:
And I love the term "Parasitic Capitalism", but I can't fit Yi's name into it.
Parasyitic :mellow:
Meh, just doesn't sing. Not like "predatory capitalist economyi", "Admiral Romnyi", "Yi Marketeers", or "Yi, you filthy Wall Street slut."
So musical. :mellow:
Capitalyeesm?
Doesn't really work with a schwa like the second i in capitalism.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 13, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Quote
Passport
Today in Parasitic Capitalism: Ebola.com Squatter Wants $150K for Domain
ForeignPolicy.com
Let's say you are someone who has recently returned from traveling in West Africa. You have visited an Ebola-ravaged country. You are understandably worried about contracting the disease during this worst-ever epidemic and, upon returning home, you catch a fever. You might then go online to try to find information about the disease and to assess whether the crippling fear you are experiencing is, in fact, well placed. That search might lead you to Ebola.com, but little do you know that that site is nothing but a moneymaking ploy.
In today's information economy, there are few more useless money-grubbers than domain squatters, and that is exactly who owns Ebola.com. Blue String Ventures, the company sitting on the domain, is asking for a mere $150,000 to transfer ownership of the site.
"Ebola.com would be a great domain for a pharmaceutical company working on a vaccine or cure, a company selling pandemic or disaster-preparedness supplies, or a medical company wishing to provide information and advertise services," Jon Schultz, Blue String's president, told CNBC. "There could be many other applications as well. With so many people concerned about the disease, any advertisement referring people to Ebola.com should get an excellent response."
So far, more than 4,000 people have died of the virus, and on Monday, the director of the World Health Organization, Margaret Chan, called the outbreak "unquestionably the most severe, acute public health emergency in modern times." Naturally, there is money to be made.
Schultz called his $150,000 price tag "not a tremendous amount for a premium domain."
Damn, should have thought of that. <_<
Is Ebola taken as a band name? :shifty:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 13, 2014, 09:39:53 PM
Is Ebola taken as a band name? :shifty:
QuoteCleansed by Ebola
Victory as a whole has resold rustle
The winter of sister belongs to me
Dwarf of the elegy, the oath of the storm
Diamond as a whole has met scar
There flight is lifeless, slave is neverending
There grove is cold, garden is sorrowful
It has spilled me to have interbred in chaos
It has upset me to have opened in fire
Element beyond heap and a bright time
It has pervaded in the enchanter of eternal shit
Hook of the strength, the chain of the victory
It has rocked me to have crowded in rush
(chorus:)
Infection as a whole has escaped holocaust
It has done me to have thralled in salvation
My ghost is today with me
Skull of the invasion, the shaman of the matricide
Fucker as a whole has unveiled rat
There wisdom is supreme, resurrection is alive
Belt of the reward, the fall of the killer
I have vanquished the screaming of my anvil
Sweet commander has outbid my terror
(chorus:)
Infection as a whole has escaped holocaust
It has done me to have thralled in salvation
My ghost is today with me
I am at one with the skeleton
Dancing from the skeleton and the tragedy of kingdom
It has undertaken me to have condemned in mother
Rotten inside, I have cut the sermon that has fantasized
It has bound me to have melted in deity
Mist as a whole has thrust nail
Courtesy of http://metalmaker.net/metalmaker.aspx :P
An African man closed down a police station earlier today because he showed symptoms of Ebola, in that he sneezed.
I don't remember people being so panicky during the bird/swine flu thing, and that actually appeared in Denmark iirc, of course, a 70% death rate will do that to people I guess. Oh, and the Outbreak movie.
Quote from: grumbler on October 13, 2014, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 13, 2014, 06:59:54 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 01, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Yet no staff in the United States has become infected while treating an Ebola patient. This is because we have the technical capability to run an isolation unit and we have an almost endless supply of appropriate personal protective equipment in every hospital in America. These kinds of conditions don't exist in Africa.
Hubris?
The statement was true when he made it. Conditions change.
The statement that no staff had yet become infected was true. But not the reason he gave and the certainty with which he gave it. ie hubris.
I'd agree that Fate was/is overconfident, but the reason he gave (technical capability to run an isolation unit, supply of appropriate personal protective equipment) is true.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 14, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 13, 2014, 07:20:44 PM
The statement was true when he made it. Conditions change.
The statement that no staff had yet become infected was true. But not the reason he gave and the certainty with which he gave it. ie hubris.
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It increasingly looks like the Spanish nurse will make it. A couple of major Spanish media jumped the gun last week and prematurely reported her death.
We've failed. :weep:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/15/world/africa/ebola-epidemic-who-west-africa.html?_r=0
QuoteThe World Health Organization reported sobering new figures Tuesday about the Ebola outbreak ravaging West Africa, saying the number of new cases could reach 10,000 per week by December, about 10 times the rate of the past four weeks.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 14, 2014, 08:37:16 PM
We've failed. :weep:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/15/world/africa/ebola-epidemic-who-west-africa.html?_r=0
QuoteThe World Health Organization reported sobering new figures Tuesday about the Ebola outbreak ravaging West Africa, saying the number of new cases could reach 10,000 per week by December, about 10 times the rate of the past four weeks.
Easy. Quarantine Africa to keep them all in one place. No in/no out. Problem solve as they would just die off. :P
Hilarious.
I grow increasingly concerned that W. Africa will look like something out of the Road or Mad Max in a year's time. A literal post-apocalyptic wasteland where civilization has collapsed far beyond the worst nightmares of Afghanistan or Somalia.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/printnews.asp?nid=49080
QuoteIn race against time, Member States must increase efforts to stop Ebola outbreak – UN official
14 October 2014 – The Ebola outbreak is "winning the race" against attempts to contain it, the head of the United Nations mission working to stop the deadly virus warned the Security Council today as he urged the international community to help expand on-the-ground efforts across the affected nations in West Africa.
In his briefing, Anthony Banbury, head of the UN Mission for Ebola Emergency Response (UNMEER), told the 15-nation Council that he is "deeply worried" that the steps implemented by the international community are "not nearly enough" to halt the advance of the fatal disease.
"Ebola got a head start on us," he said. "It is far ahead of us, it is running faster than us, and it is winning the race. If Ebola wins, we the peoples of the United Nations lose so very much...," he said.
"We either stop Ebola now or we face an entirely unprecedented situation for which we do not have a plan," Mr. Banbury told the Council via video link from the operation's headquarters in Ghana.
In its most recent situation report on the disease, the UN World Health Organization (WHO), which is leading the wider UN response, reported 8,376 cases and 4,024 deaths from Ebola based on information provided by the Ministries of Health of Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, whose UN delegations were represented at today's Security Council briefing.
The agency notes that the upward epidemic trend continues in Sierra Leone and most probably also in Liberia. By contrast, the situation in Guinea appears to be more stable, though, in the context of an Ebola outbreak, a stable pattern of transmission is still of a very grave concern, and could change quickly.
"With every day that passes, the number of sick people increases," continued Mr. Banbury. "Time is our biggest enemy. We must use every minute of every day to our advantage and that is what UNMEER is doing."
Mr. Banbury recalled WHO's recommendation that, within 60 days of 1 October, 70 per cent of all those infected must be in the hospital and 70 per cent of the victims safely buried, if the outbreak were to be successfully arrested. Otherwise, he warned, the Ebola numbers risked rising "dramatically" and overwhelming the overall response.
"This is what we are fighting for now: we are fighting to prevent unavoidable deaths. We are fighting for people who are alive and healthy today, but will become infected...and die if we do not put in place the necessary emergency response," he declared.
In particular, he called for an increase in the number of diagnostic laboratories, transport support, and funding to help with operation logistics which, he said, would help aid the UN response to a crisis so vast in scope and magnitude.
Moreover, with the number of infected growing exponentially each day, Mr. Banbury cautioned that UNMEER could expect new caseloads of approximately 10,000 people per week by 1 December, meaning that 7,000 beds for treatment were needed. He noted that his Mission expected to have 4,300 beds in treatment centres by that date but lamented that there was no staff to operate many of them under current plans.
"UNMEER is playing the critical role of crisis manager," he added, "but responding to a complex crisis, especially one that cuts across multiple national boundaries, requires an overall perspective and a comprehensive plan."
The UNMEER head pointed out that his mission plan would ultimately ensure that no gaps were left unfilled and that resources were allocated appropriately, all the while permitting Governments to own the Ebola responses in their respective countries.
"There's much bad news about Ebola but the good news is we know how to stop it," said Mr. Banbury, while emphasizing that failure was "inconceivable" and "unacceptable."
"We must defeat Ebola and we must do it fast," he concluded.
Meanwhile, earlier in the day, a UN children's rights official briefed reporters on the broader UN response to the Ebola outbreak.
Speaking at a press conference in Geneva, the UN Children's Fund's (UNICEF) spokesperson, Christophe Boulierac, reported that an upcoming conference to be held on 16 and 17 October in Kenema, Sierra Leone, would confront the issues facing Ebola survivors as well as the caring of children infected or affected by the disease.
Alongside the devastating physiological effects of the virus, the outbreak has ignited panic and fear across affected areas with some survivors, victims, and their children, being spurned by their local communities.
Mr. Boulierac noted that one "creative" method to help treat and care for children in a more compassionate manner involved the use of Ebola survivors who could provide those children with the attention they need at no risk to themselves or others. Ebola survivors, as medical professionals have frequently reiterated, are no longer capable of contracting the virus. In addition, he pointed out that the conference would address the stigma and discrimination facing Ebola survivors as such challenges undermined their recovery.
In other news, Karin Landgren, head of the UN Mission in Liberia (UNMIL), announced the death today of the United Nations Volunteer who worked in the Mission's medical team and was evacuated to Germany last week to receive treatment for Ebola. This is the second death at UNMIL due to Ebola, after an earlier probable case that resulted in the death of a national staff member on 25 September.
"UNMIL colleagues are saddened by the tragic news as they continue to serve at this very difficult time. Our thoughts now are with the family and friends of the departed," a UN spokesperson said today in New York.
As for international support against Ebola, the spokesperson noted that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has announced that it will provide specialized diagnostic equipment to help Sierra Leone in its efforts to combat the outbreak. That support will later be extended to Liberia and Guinea.
It will consist of supplementing the country's ability to diagnose Ebola quickly, using a technology known as Reverse Transcriptase Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR). Early diagnosis, if combined with appropriate medical care, increases the victims' chance of survival and helps curtail the spread of the disease by making it possible to isolate and treat the patients earlier, the spokesperson explained.
Second Texas health care worker tests positive. :(
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29628622
Ebola patients treated outside West Africa*
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*In all but three cases, first in Madrid and later in Dallas, the patient was infected with Ebola while in West Africa.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 15, 2014, 02:39:33 AM
I grow increasingly concerned that W. Africa will look like something out of the Road or Mad Max in a year's time. A literal post-apocalyptic wasteland where civilization has collapsed far beyond the worst nightmares of Afghanistan or Somalia.
I grow increasingly concerned that you will never contract Ebola and hemorrhage from your ass as much as you hemorrhage on this forum.
This hospital is gonna get sued.
http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/presbyterian-workers-wore-no-protective-gear-for-two-days-while-treating-ebola-patient.html/
Quote
Presbyterian workers wore no hazmat suits for two days while treating Ebola patient
By Dianna Hunt
[email protected]
1:06 pm on October 15, 2014 | Permalink
Health care workers treating Thomas Eric Duncan in a hospital isolation unit didn't wear protective hazardous-material suits for two days until tests confirmed the Liberian man had Ebola — a delay that potentially exposed perhaps dozens of hospital workers to the virus, according to medical records.
The 3-day window of Sept. 28-30 is now being targeted by investigators for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as the key time during which health care workers may have been exposed to the deadly virus by Duncan, who died Oct. 8 from the disease.
Duncan was suspected of having Ebola when he was admitted to a hospital isolation unit Sept. 28, and he developed projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea later that day, according to medical records his family turned over to The Associated Press.
But workers at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas did not abandon their gowns and scrubs for hazmat suits until tests came back positive for Ebola about 2 p.m. on Sept. 30, according to details of the records released by AP.
The misstep – one in a series of potentially deadly mishandling of Duncan — raises the likelihood that other health care workers could have been infected. More than 70 workers were exposed to him before he died, but hospital officials have not indicated how many treated him in the initial few days.
Hospital officials have likewise not responded to repeated requests for comment about what types of protective gear was used the first few days, and why officials felt a need to change the gear being used on Sept. 30.
Panic time, Tim.
MAH POLISH BOYS
QuoteTexas Ebola Patient Flew on Night Before Symptoms Appeared, CDC Says
Second Health Worker With Ebola Flew From Dallas to Cleveland and Back; Fellow Passengers Sought
By JACK NICAS
Updated Oct. 15, 2014 2:05 p.m. ET
The second Texas health-care worker to be diagnosed with Ebola flew from Dallas to Cleveland and back in the days before she reported symptoms, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Wednesday.
The woman flew on Frontier Airlines flight 1142 from Dallas-Fort Worth airport to Cleveland on Oct. 10, the CDC said. She then flew back to Dallas on Frontier flight 1143 on Oct. 13, landing at 8:16 p.m. local time on Monday, the CDC said. The patient began exhibiting symptoms on Tuesday morning, at which point she was isolated, the CDC said.
Ebola patients are only contagious when exhibiting symptoms of the virus, health officials say, and crew on the Oct. 13 flight observed no signs of the illness, according to the CDC. Still, the agency and Frontier Airlines are asking all passengers from those flights to contact the CDC at 1-800-CDC-INFO.
The CDC said public health professionals will begin calling passengers to interview them and answer their questions. "Individuals who are determined to be at any potential risk will be actively monitored," the agency said.
CDC Director Tom Frieden told reporters Wednesday that the agency instructed individuals being monitored because of potential contact with Ebola to only travel via "controlled movement," such as a car or a chartered plane. "That does not include public transportation. She should not have been on that plane," he said, referring to the second health-care worker with Ebola.
He said the agency will now make sure that all other individuals being monitored won't use public transportation, including commercial passenger flights.
Still, he sought to assuage concerns that fellow passengers on the Oct. 13 flight were infected, noting that the Ebola patient didn't vomit and wasn't bleeding on the flight. "There's an extremely low likelihood that anyone on this plane was exposed," he said. "But we're putting into place extra margins of safety, and that's why we're contacting everyone on that flight."
The incident raises a new set of questions of how authorities are handling efforts to keep the Ebola virus contained in the U.S. The episode also could increase public anxiety about risks from the disease posed by air travel, and pressure U.S. authorities to add restrictions on individuals who are being monitored for potential Ebola exposure.
President Barack Obama put off a campaign trip to Connecticut and New Jersey originally set for Wednesday, opting instead to convene his cabinet to review the government's response to the Ebola outbreak.
Mr. Obama will convene a meeting at the White House with senior officials who are coordinating the government's response to Ebola, spokesman Josh Earnest said. He is expected to deliver brief remarks at the meeting's conclusion.
The woman, identified as Amber Joy Vinson, is a health-care worker who helped treat a Liberian man, Thomas Eric Duncan, diagnosed with Ebola at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas on Sept. 30. He died last Wednesday. Another nurse also was infected while caring for Mr. Duncan and is now being treated at the hospital. Authorities haven't reported any air travel by her.
The incident spread concern about Ebola to a second U.S. region. Mary DiOrio, Ohio's epidemiologist, said state and county health officials were working with the CDC to identify people who may have been in close contact with the infected woman and to "implement quarantine as necessary." She said Ohio has been working on its preparedness plan since July.
Kent State University said Ms. Vinson is a graduate of the university and is related to three of its employees but that she hadn't visited the school's campus over the weekend, as some reports had indicated.
On Tuesday, before news of Ms. Vinson's visit to Ohio, top Ohio health and public-safety officials conducted a planning seminar in the capitol, Columbus, to identify any gaps in Ebola preparedness.
The state said Tuesday the CDC had designated the state's health department lab as a "level 3 lab," qualified to conduct initial Ebola testing.
Air travel measures to deal with Ebola so far have largely been aimed at preventing West African travelers from carrying the disease into the U.S., rather than at halting the spread of Ebola via U.S. domestic flights.
Authorities in Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, the countries with the highest rates of Ebola, are taking the temperatures of all departing travelers. The CDC also has asked airlines to monitor passengers and report any symptoms. Last week, the agency announced it would also begin temperature checks and health surveys for travelers arriving from the affected countries to five U.S. airports. The CDC said those airports account for 94% of the roughly 150 passengers coming into the U.S. from those countries daily.
Health authorities already were monitoring more than 120 health-care workers in Dallas and other people who came in contact with the Liberian man or people who were in contact with him.
The hospital didn't immediately respond to questions about why the health-care worker was on a commercial flight, a day after another worker had been diagnosed with the Ebola virus.
Those flights involved two different aircraft, according to FlightAware.com, a flight-tracking website.
Frontier Airlines said that after the Monday flight with the Texas Ebola patient, that aircraft "received a thorough cleaning per our normal procedures which is consistent with CDC guidelines." On Tuesday, the plane flew five more flights, stopping in Cleveland, Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and Atlanta, according to FlightAware.
Frontier said it cleaned that aircraft again on Tuesday night, and then, upon learning of its former passenger's Ebola diagnosis, removed the aircraft from service.
When Ms. Vinson flew on Oct. 10, she hadn't reported any symptoms, the CDC said.
Frontier hasn't taken the aircraft that carried her on that flight out of service, according to FlightAware. "It's currently on its way to Cancun," Mark Duell, a FlightAware vice president, said on Wednesday afternoon. The aircraft has since been to several other cities, including Cincinnati, Philadelphia, San Diego and Denver, he said.
Frontier didn't immediately respond to requests for comment on that plane's status.
—Ben Kesling and Ana Campoy contributed to this article.
Write to Jack Nicas at [email protected]
Hey Boner, which survival rations do you think taste the best?
You don't become contagious until you are symptomatic, and it increases as time goes, becoming greatest at death. Duncan's family was in close contact with him when he had just become symptomatic, yet they did not get infected. The nurses who treated him as his disease progressed did get infected. So, it's highly unlikely anyone on that plane caught the disease.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 15, 2014, 07:21:54 PM
Hey Boner, which survival rations do you think taste the best?
None of these:
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Where did fate go? I thought he told us this wouldn't spread in a modern medical facility? I feel misled and abandoned. :cry:
Didn't he say he worked at this hospital? He's probably a bit busy.
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How can a BBQ sandwich not be good? :huh:
It's a sad day when fox news is more rational and less sensationalist than Tim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 15, 2014, 07:38:57 PM
You don't become contagious until you are symptomatic, and it increases as time goes, becoming greatest at death. Duncan's family was in close contact with him when he had just become symptomatic, yet they did not get infected. The nurses who treated him as his disease progressed did get infected. So, it's highly unlikely anyone on that plane caught the disease.
You should have just told me to relax. I gave you an opening, dude! :(
Quote from: Caliga on October 15, 2014, 07:57:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 15, 2014, 07:50:18 PM
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How can a BBQ sandwich not be good? :huh:
I have taste and refinement. And I'm still digesting the pepperoni sandwich I ate years ago.
Quote from: Caliga on October 15, 2014, 07:57:51 PM
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How can a BBQ sandwich not be good? :huh:
Exactly.
These with hot sauce are good too.
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That pepperoni roll looks like it's made out of chalk.
And before some Aspie calls me a prepper, I only supplies to cover the period when the federal government has its thumb up its own butt.
Quote from: HVC on October 15, 2014, 08:00:13 PM
It's a sad day when fox news is more rational and less sensationalist than Tim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I&feature=player_embedded
Not really Shep is one of the cool ones.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 15, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
Didn't he say he worked at this hospital? He's probably a bit busy.
Yeah, I don't think anything he said warrants giving him a hard time about, plus guys, he's actually doing stuff, important stuff to some people and probably the wider community.
12 month supply of food:
http://www.homefrontemergency.com/wifo12mo4se3.html
2 weeks for Katmai.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 15, 2014, 08:12:07 PM
12 month supply of food:
http://www.homefrontemergency.com/wifo12mo4se3.html
2 weeks for Katmai.
Anything with a 25 year shelf life...:x
Quote from: 11B4V on October 15, 2014, 08:02:28 PM
These with hot sauce are good too.
:lol: Those things are atrociously awesome. They taste so good, even as your body is actively rejecting them as foreign substances and jack up your white blood cell count
POTTED MEAT
They plump when ya cook 'em!
Quote from: Caliga on October 15, 2014, 08:00:20 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 15, 2014, 07:38:57 PM
You don't become contagious until you are symptomatic, and it increases as time goes, becoming greatest at death. Duncan's family was in close contact with him when he had just become symptomatic, yet they did not get infected. The nurses who treated him as his disease progressed did get infected. So, it's highly unlikely anyone on that plane caught the disease.
You should have just told me to relax. I gave you an opening, dude! :(
Correction, she was symptomatic after all. Still, it was in the early stages, so she wasn't that contagious... :bleeding:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html
QuoteCNN) -- The day before she went to the hospital with Ebola symptoms, Amber Vinson was flying halfway across the country on a commercial jet with 132 other people.
CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden said she never should have stepped foot on the flight, but another federal official told CNN that no one at the agency stopped her.
Before flying from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday, Vinson called the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to report an elevated temperature of 99.5 Fahrenheit and informed the agency that she was getting on a plane, the official said. She wasn't told not to board the aircraft, the official said.
After authorities announced the 29-year-old nurse had been diagnosed with Ebola on Wednesday, they were quick to say guidelines weren't followed when she took the commercial flight.
Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings said he wasn't sure how it happened.
"She was being monitored here in Dallas," he told CNN's "The Situation Room."
"And if she was being monitored correctly, I think she should have never gotten on that flight."
Frieden said she shouldn't have flown because she helped care for Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, and because another health worker who cared for Duncan had already been diagnosed with the virus.
"The CDC guidance in this setting outlines the need for what is called controlled movement. That can include a charter plane, a car, but it does not include public transport," Frieden said. "We will from this moment forward ensure that no other individual who is being monitored for exposure undergoes travel in any way other than controlled movement."
CDC guidelines warn airport screeners that travelers returning from West Africa with a temperature of 100.4 Fahrenheit and higher could be showing Ebola symptoms.
Frieden said Wednesday that Vinson's slightly elevated temperature was another sign she shouldn't have boarded the aircraft.
Vinson didn't show any symptoms when she got on a flight Frontier Airlines flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday, the airline said.
Frieden said there's an "extremely low" risk to anyone else on that plane, but the CDC is reaching out to everyone on the flight as part of "extra margins of safety."
Vinson was transferred Wednesday night from the Dallas hospital to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, which has successfully treated two other patients. It is now treating a third: a male health care worker who was infected in Sierra Leone.
Vinson is "ill but clinically stable," Frieden said.
The first Dallas health care worker diagnosed with Ebola, Nina Pham, remains in good condition, officials said. It has not been determined whether she will be transferred to another facility.
Both Dallas health workers had "extensive contact" with Duncan on September 28-30, when he had "extensive production of body fluids" such as vomit and diarrhea, Frieden told reporters in a conference call.
Health care workers who had been exposed to Duncan were undergoing self-monitoring. Moving forward, the CDC will ensure that no one else in such a situation travels outside of a closed environment, he said.
CDC wants to interview passengers
Vinson flew from Dallas-Fort Worth to Cleveland on October 10, Frontier Airlines said. On October 13, she headed home.
That's the flight health officials are concerned about, though they stress that the risk of exposure to passengers who were on the plane with Vinson is low, since she did not yet show symptoms. The Ebola virus is not contagious before symptoms set in.
"Because of the proximity in time between the evening flight and first report of illness the following morning, CDC is reaching out to passengers who flew on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth Oct. 13," the CDC said in a statement. The flight landed Monday at 8:16 p.m. CT.
The woman "exhibited no symptoms or sign of illness while on Flight 1143, according to the crew," Frontier Airlines said in a statement.
Are you on the front lines fighting Ebola?
The October 13 flight was cleaned thoroughly after it landed, "per our normal procedures which is consistent with CDC guidelines," the airline said. After the airline was informed of the Ebola patient, the plane was removed from service.
After going through decontamination, the plane was going back into service on Wednesday, Ricky Smith, Cleveland's Director of Port Control, said at a news conference. Both the CDC and the airline were comfortable that it was safe to resume operations, he said.
In a sign of growing concerns about Ebola, President Barack Obama canceled trips to New Jersey and Connecticut on Wednesday to convene a meeting at the White House of Cabinet agencies coordinating the government's response to the outbreak.
Hospital denies 'institutional problem'
Vinson, who lives alone, is in isolation at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital.
The news that she contracted Ebola cast further doubt on the hospital's ability to handle the virus and protect employees.
Complete coverage on Ebola
It's the same hospital that initially sent Duncan home, even though he had a fever and had traveled from West Africa. By the time he returned to the hospital, his symptoms had worsened. He died while being treated by medical staff, including the two women who have contracted the disease.
"I don't think we have a systematic institutional problem," Dr. Daniel Varga, chief clinical officer of Texas Health Resources, told reporters, facing questions about the hospital's actions.
Rick Perry heads to Europe despite Ebola situation
Medical staff "may have done some things differently with the benefit of what we know today," he said, adding, "no one wants to get this right more than our hospital."
People in the Vinson's office building were informed when officials went door to door, and also through early morning reverse 911 calls, officials said.
The health care worker had no pets, authorities said.
Official: Duncan should have been moved
An official close to the situation says that in hindsight, Duncan should have been transferred immediately to either Emory University Hospital in Atlanta or Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.
Those hospitals are among only four in the country that have biocontainment units and have been preparing for years to treat a highly infectious disease like Ebola.
"If we knew then what we know now about this hospital's ability to safely care for these patients, then we would have transferred him to Emory or Nebraska," the official told CNN senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen.
"I think there are hospitals that are more than ready, but I think there are some that are not."
Growing concerns about the spread of Ebola
LOL, Texas + Negroes Ebola = Panic
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Liberia says it needs 80,000 more body bags for the next six months.
It really strikes home how terrible the situation is when the only thing that comes to mind when reading that is "how optimistic". :(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/15/liberia-needs-79940-more-body-bags/
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 15, 2014, 08:45:10 PM
when the only thing that comes to mind when reading that is "how optomistic". :(
That's not the only thing that comes to mind. Dombass.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 15, 2014, 08:45:10 PM
Liberia says it needs 80,000 more body bags for the next six months.
It really strikes home how terrible the situation is when the only thing that comes to mind when reading that is "how optomistic". :(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/15/liberia-needs-79940-more-body-bags/
One C-17 ought to be able to air drop those.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 15, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 15, 2014, 08:45:10 PM
Liberia says it needs 80,000 more body bags for the next six months.
It really strikes home how terrible the situation is when the only thing that comes to mind when reading that is "how optomistic". :(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/15/liberia-needs-79940-more-body-bags/
One C-17 ought to be able to air drop those.
Prefilled ones might require more planes.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 15, 2014, 08:39:24 PM
LOL, Texas + Negroes Ebola = Panic
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/15/navarro-college-in-texas-apologizes-after-rejecting-nigerian-applicants-over-ebola-fears/?hpid=z1
That's cold.
Quote from: garbon on October 15, 2014, 08:55:21 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 15, 2014, 08:39:24 PM
LOL, Texas + Negroes Ebola = Panic
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/15/navarro-college-in-texas-apologizes-after-rejecting-nigerian-applicants-over-ebola-fears/?hpid=z1
That's cold.
I've never heard of Navarro College; they are probably better off.
The demand for a US address to send the refund is obnoxious, as is the signing of the name with a "JD" reference.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 15, 2014, 08:45:10 PM
Liberia says it needs 80,000 more body bags for the next six months.
It really strikes home how terrible the situation is when the only thing that comes to mind when reading that is "how optomistic". :(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/15/liberia-needs-79940-more-body-bags/
It's so sad. I can't imagine the fear and difficulty living in those countries now. We're worried about a handful of cases, stock market takes hits. Imagine what they're going through there with thousands of cases and deaths. :(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 15, 2014, 08:39:24 PM
LOL, Texas + Negroes Ebola = Panic
I am not sure what I find more amazing, this story or the fact that foreigners would actually apply to Navarro College. Is it really a brain drain when barely being literate is sufficient for admission?
Quote from: alfred russel on October 15, 2014, 08:59:59 PM
I've never heard of Navarro College; they are probably better off.
It is a Junior College just a bit south from the Metroplex, they used to be one of my clients when I was working on UTs intrastate education network.
Quote from: KRonn on October 15, 2014, 09:00:20 PM
It's so sad. I can't imagine the fear and difficulty living in those countries now. We're worried about a handful of cases, stock market takes hits. Imagine what they're going through there with thousands of cases and deaths. :(
It is a disaster. The UN needed to have gone into emergency mode six months ago.
Despite the tough talk, doesn't really look the world's mobilized yet.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6151
QuoteLiu says she is exasperated at the slow, hands-off response. "Countries are approaching this with the mindset of going to war," she says. "Zero risk. Zero casualties."
Liu describes the current military efforts as the equivalent, in public health terms, of airstrikes without boots on the ground. Pledges of equipment and logistical support are helpful—"The military are the only body that can be deployed in the numbers needed now and that can organise things fast." But there is still a massive shortage of qualified and trained medical staff on the ground. "You need to send people not stuff and get hands on, not try to do this remotely," Liu says, "Local doctors have been extremely brave, but we are running out of staff and that is why we are asking for a major workforce to deploy."
Since the 9/11 attack on New York's twin towers, Western countries have developed military and civilian biohazard teams to protect their populations against a possible bioterrorist attack. Liu had hoped that these could be deployed to west Africa. "I think with the massive investment and knowing how much they are afraid of bioterrorism, they have some knowhow about highly contagious diseases."
MSF is not alone in thinking that what's needed in west Africa is the same level of Western military involvement that there would be in the event of a major bioterrorist attack on home soil.
The European Commission's humanitarian arm (ECHO) has been pushing for military medical intervention, its health adviser, Jorge Castilla-Echenique, told Reuters in Dakar in September.5
"The European Commission wants [US] Army and Seal protection teams to come here and produce an air bridge to keep the health workers and aid flowing. I'm talking about a MASH like operation," said Castilla-Echenique, referring to US mobile army surgical hospitals that can serve as fully functional health facilities.
"The problem with the military is that a treatment centre [50 beds] may cost €7m [£5.5m; $9m] over one year. But if it's done by the US military, it's going to cost €70m, because they are going to come with their own bubble so they won't get sick," he said.
...
MSF was ringing alarm bells in spring about the Ebola outbreak being out of control, but it took until August for WHO to recognise the scale of the threat and declare a "health emergency of international concern," a legal mechanism that flips switches in the international community so that funding and expertise are mobilised faster and protection measures are put in place.
"Every meeting where we've been trying to advise something, it's been a challenge," Liu says. "We had the feeling people didn't understand what we were talking about. They were just looking at the figures. When you look at the figures in absolute [compared with other diseases that kill many more people] people say 'why are we getting so excited?' But Ebola has completely killed the infrastructure of these countries. It is attacking the state and the health structures. We cannot afford to let that continue."
"I am running out of words to convey the sense of urgency. The despair is so huge and the indifference so incredible."
QuoteThe European Commission's humanitarian arm (ECHO) has been pushing for military medical intervention, its health adviser, Jorge Castilla-Echenique, told Reuters in Dakar in September.5
"The European Commission wants [US] Army and Seal protection teams to come here and produce an air bridge to keep the health workers and aid flowing. I'm talking about a MASH like operation," said Castilla-Echenique, referring to US mobile army surgical hospitals that can serve as fully functional health facilities.
:huh: How about your own guys?
European countries ignore the European Commission. So they are hoping to have better luck with us.
We have another Ebola scare at Hvidovre Hospital! Stay tuned for the next 4-6 hours while blood samples are being examined.
:( :( :(
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/u-s-overly-confident-ebola-control/
QuoteIs the U.S. overly confident about Ebola control?
October 15, 2014 at 6:40 PM EDT
...
JUDY WOODRUFF: Finally and quickly, Laurie Garrett, any new information, any — what is your understanding right now of whether progress, there is a sense of progress being made in these West African countries that, of course, have a much worse problem at this point with Ebola?
LAURIE GARRETT: Well, Judy, of course, we all know the only way you are going to have 100 percent for America is to stop the epidemic at its source.
And there, unfortunately, we have some very bad news. Today, for the first time in WHO's situation — daily situation report assessing how things are moving along, they had to concede they had no data from Liberia. It's gotten so bad and so extensive that nobody really can even come up with numbers to put forward.
So the numbers you led with, roughly 9,000 cumulative cases and roughly approaching 5,000 deaths, everybody now admits these numbers are not even close to providing a reflection of reality, that it is almost certainly well over 22,000 cumulative cases at this point and approaching 15,000 or 16,000 deaths.
And as this keeps going out of control, it gets harder and harder to even have a glimpse of the reality of the size and scope of the problem. So while we're very focused here in America on two cases, let's keep in mind safety for us is stopping something that is orders of magnitude bigger overseas.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 15, 2014, 09:55:33 PM
QuoteThe European Commission's humanitarian arm (ECHO) has been pushing for military medical intervention, its health adviser, Jorge Castilla-Echenique, told Reuters in Dakar in September.5
"The European Commission wants [US] Army and Seal protection teams to come here and produce an air bridge to keep the health workers and aid flowing. I'm talking about a MASH like operation," said Castilla-Echenique, referring to US mobile army surgical hospitals that can serve as fully functional health facilities.
:huh: How about your own guys?
They don't have that capability and no money to pay for one.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 15, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 15, 2014, 08:45:10 PM
Liberia says it needs 80,000 more body bags for the next six months.
It really strikes home how terrible the situation is when the only thing that comes to mind when reading that is "how optomistic". :(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/15/liberia-needs-79940-more-body-bags/
One C-17 ought to be able to air drop those.
No shit. And we could just mail them the vaccine once we have it.
But oh no let's send the 101st Airborne over there :rolleyes:
Quote from: derspiess on October 16, 2014, 10:01:01 AM
No shit. And we could just mail them the vaccine once we have it.
I'm sure that'll help a lot in a few years.
Quote from: mongers on October 15, 2014, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 15, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
Didn't he say he worked at this hospital? He's probably a bit busy.
Yeah, I don't think anything he said warrants giving him a hard time about, plus guys, he's actually doing stuff, important stuff to some people and probably the wider community.
Except the part where he said that US medical facilities have both the knowledge and supplies to avoid infection - the supplies perhaps but it turns out not near the training required. And the part where he said that medical professionals in US hospitals can avoid infection better than in Africa.
The infection rate in Africa for the Doctors without Borders medical professionals is a lot better than in the US atm.
Quote from: frunk on October 16, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 16, 2014, 10:01:01 AM
No shit. And we could just mail them the vaccine once we have it.
I'm sure that'll help a lot in a few years.
Well, like I said before-- send over other stuff as well. Just not people.
Quote from: frunk on October 16, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 16, 2014, 10:01:01 AM
No shit. And we could just mail them the vaccine once we have it.
I'm sure that'll help a lot in a few years.
Sooner than that. Human trials on a vaccine developed in Canada has been fast tracked and started this week. If it proves effective and safe it will be ready to ship by December. The plan is to use it on health care professionals and family members of those infected first. Then spread out from there. The goal is to cut off Ebola from being able to spread and then move to a general vacination so that it can be eradicated.
It has proven 100% effective on monkeys. Even those that had recently been infected. So there is a lot of hope the vaccine will work. The problem, of course, is that in the meantime the WHO is forecasting that as many as 10,000 people per week will become infected and that 70% of those will die.
Plenty of treatments that have worked in monkeys fail in humans. It's not a done deal like you're implying.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
Plenty of treatments that have worked in monkeys fail in humans. It's not a done deal like you're implying.
:huh:
I am implying that it is now being tested and the people doing the testing are very hopeful. Wait. I am not actually implying that. That is actually what I said. Dumbass.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 16, 2014, 11:38:26 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
Plenty of treatments that have worked in monkeys fail in humans. It's not a done deal like you're implying.
:huh:
I am implying that it is now being tested and the people doing the testing are very hopeful. Wait. I am not actually implying that. That is actually what I said. Dumbass.
He's a Timass, a particular subset of dumbass.
LOL DONBASS
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 16, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 15, 2014, 09:55:33 PM
QuoteThe European Commission's humanitarian arm (ECHO) has been pushing for military medical intervention, its health adviser, Jorge Castilla-Echenique, told Reuters in Dakar in September.5
"The European Commission wants [US] Army and Seal protection teams to come here and produce an air bridge to keep the health workers and aid flowing. I'm talking about a MASH like operation," said Castilla-Echenique, referring to US mobile army surgical hospitals that can serve as fully functional health facilities.
:huh: How about your own guys?
They don't have that capability and no money to pay for one.
If true that they don't have it and can't create such facilities, that is just very sad commentary.
Quote from: Jacob on October 16, 2014, 11:45:03 AM
He's a Timass, a particular subset of dumbass.
The kind that takes a comment that there'll be a vaccine imminently as confidence that the ones currently in the pipeline will work.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 16, 2014, 11:38:26 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
Plenty of treatments that have worked in monkeys fail in humans. It's not a done deal like you're implying.
:huh:
I am implying that it is now being tested and the people doing the testing are very hopeful. Wait. I am not actually implying that. That is actually what I said. Dumbass.
Dont be too hard on Tim, he is pretty emotionally invested in this outbreak, a vaccine woulb be devestating.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 16, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 15, 2014, 09:55:33 PM
QuoteThe European Commission's humanitarian arm (ECHO) has been pushing for military medical intervention, its health adviser, Jorge Castilla-Echenique, told Reuters in Dakar in September.5
"The European Commission wants [US] Army and Seal protection teams to come here and produce an air bridge to keep the health workers and aid flowing. I'm talking about a MASH like operation," said Castilla-Echenique, referring to US mobile army surgical hospitals that can serve as fully functional health facilities.
:huh: How about your own guys?
They don't have that capability and no money to pay for one.
Nonsense. Just have the European Commission and its staff forgo a month's wages and benefits, and then you have plenty of money. With plenty of money, you have that capability.
The EC should be talking about what it is going to do and the sacrifices it will make, rather than telling other people what sacrifices it would like them to make.
Now, I'd make exactly the same statement about the US Congress and administration, so don't think I am blaming just the EC. But the EC's chutzpah is pretty high.
Quote from: sbr on October 16, 2014, 12:55:05 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 16, 2014, 11:38:26 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 11:36:46 AM
Plenty of treatments that have worked in monkeys fail in humans. It's not a done deal like you're implying.
:huh:
I am implying that it is now being tested and the people doing the testing are very hopeful. Wait. I am not actually implying that. That is actually what I said. Dumbass.
Dont be too hard on Tim, he is pretty emotionally invested in this outbreak, a vaccine woulb be devestating.
Good point. His megathread could be devastated if the outbreak is curbed.
A C-17 from Wright Patt is gonna deliver stuff to Liberia. WHIO channel 7 promptly lost its mind.
Hell, since that nurse brought her cooties into the state, all the local channels are acting a bit more fruity.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 16, 2014, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: Jacob on October 16, 2014, 11:45:03 AM
He's a Timass, a particular subset of dumbass.
The kind that takes a comment that there'll be a vaccine imminently as confidence that the ones currently in the pipeline will work.
:yes: How else could you take it?
Anyways, those who say I'm "invested" in the outbreak with some kind of ghoulish relish can get fucked. I'm emotionally invested in the same way that anyone with a conscience is, fear and empathy for the people of West Africa. Of course, since for most people here a conscience is a foreign concept, I can understand if there's been some confusion.
Getting back to the news.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/ebola-safe-district-sierra-leone-26241774
QuoteEbola Comes to Last Safe District in Sierra Leone
FREETOWN, Sierra Leone — Oct 16, 2014, 2:30 PM ET
By CLARENCE ROY-MACAULAY and PAUL SCHEMM Associated Press
The deadly Ebola virus has infected two people in what was the last untouched district in Sierra Leone, the government said Thursday, a setback in efforts to stop the spread of the disease in one of the hardest-hit countries.
The Emergency Operations Center in its report covering Wednesday announced the two Ebola cases in the Koinadugu district, in Sierra Leone's far north, which had taken aggressive measures to keep the virus out of its mountainous territory since the outbreak early this year.
"It was the only place we are counting on where you can go and breathe a sigh of relief and to know that now in the whole country no district is safe, is heartrending," said John Caulker, the executive director of the nonprofit Fambul Tok, a group that worked on keeping Ebola out of the district.
"Now we will increase our activities in the district and take the necessary measures to make sure the area is safe and it does not spread," he told The Associated Press, noting it was just in a single chiefdom so far.
Ebola is rampant in the rest of the country, with 425 new cases just in the last week and a health care system that is struggling to deal with the onslaught of the disease. The World Health Organization said there have been more than 3,000 infections in Sierra Leone with nearly 1,200 deaths.
Last week, the Koinadugu district's health team received word of people dying in the village of Fakonya, some 60 miles over very rough terrain from the town of district center of Kabala, said Abdul Sesay, a local health official.
Some 15 people had died and then two of the six samples tested came back as positive for the virus — the deaths had originally been attributed to witchcraft, according to Sesay.
The town has now been isolated and nearby communities have been put under observation.
Momoh Konte, a businessman born in the district and educated in the United States who has been very active in protecting Koinadugu, told local press Thursday that the dead and their homes would be cremated to protect the living.
Under the system put in place by Konte and Caulker, movement in and out of the district was through a strict pass system and protective equipment and chlorine were brought in to stem the transmission of the disease.
The deadly Ebola virus is transmitted by bodily fluids and has hit hardest in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea.
Koinadugu survived infection free for so long in part because it cut itself off from infected areas, but the affected countries have been begging their neighbors and the international community to maintain ties and help them fight the disease, amid increased discussions of cutting off all contact.
Planes can't fly to the affected countries because they are afraid they will be refused landing elsewhere, said the African Union chair Nkosazana Zuma on Thursday and airlines that wanted to restart service couldn't.
Currently only Moroccan airlines and Brussels Air fly to all three countries.
Sierra Leone's Finance Minister Kaifalah Marah on Thursday warned that border closures and cutting flights were "killing our economies," describing the isolation as a de facto economic embargo.
Sierra Leone had growth rates of 9 percent before the outbreak.
When Tim shows his baby teeth, I giggle.
Quote from: garbon on October 16, 2014, 07:30:43 PM
When Tim shows his baby teeth, I giggle.
Indeed. "...since for most people here a conscience is a foreign concept" is one of the best lines yet. It's only one step from CC telling us what we think or mongers telling us that we'd be remembered more fondly if we didn't point out his idiotic sayings.
Timmay is young, though. He'll grow sharper teeth, given the passage of time (unless he gets "aged" by Dorsey).
My post disappeared. I'm assuming I deleted it by accident rather than it being removed by a mod
Anyway:
It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
That's the one carried by the Tetanus fly, right?
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
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Anyway:
It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Has Tetanus completely destroyed the healthcare infrastructure of three different countries, and is spreading in such a way that it is projected to rack up Black Death style death tolls? There's no comparison.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 16, 2014, 07:54:14 PM
That's the one carried by the Tetanus fly, right?
:P
Bacterial infection that is "famous" for giving you lockjaw. It also kills, and maternal and neonatal tetanus is the big killer in africa
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
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Anyway:
It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Has Tetanus completely destroyed the healthcare infrastructure of three different countries, and is spreading in such a way that it is projected to rack up Black Death style death tolls? There's no comparison.
you have a weird morbid fascination with the disease. I'm not the only one who thinks so. hell, the thread was renamed in your honour before mongers had a change of heart.
Is ebola dangerous? Yes, but the panic is causing just as much, if not more problems. here's a list of a few diseases that kill more people in Africa but get much less coverage.
http://answersafrica.com/diseases-in-africa.html
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
My post disappeared. I'm assuming I deleted it by accident rather than it being removed by a mod
Anyway:
It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Has Tetanus completely destroyed the healthcare infrastructure of three different countries, and is spreading in such a way that it is projected to rack up Black Death style death tolls? There's no comparison.
you have a weird morbid fascination with the disease. I'm not the only one who thinks so. hell, the thread was renamed in your honour before mongers had a change of heart.
Is ebola dangerous? Yes, but the panic is causing just as much, if not more problems. here's a list of a few diseases that kill more people in Africa but get much less coverage.
http://answersafrica.com/diseases-in-africa.html
Numbers 2, 3 and 4 (particularly 2) definitely get coverage.
Quote from: garbon on October 16, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
My post disappeared. I'm assuming I deleted it by accident rather than it being removed by a mod
Anyway:
It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Has Tetanus completely destroyed the healthcare infrastructure of three different countries, and is spreading in such a way that it is projected to rack up Black Death style death tolls? There's no comparison.
you have a weird morbid fascination with the disease. I'm not the only one who thinks so. hell, the thread was renamed in your honour before mongers had a change of heart.
Is ebola dangerous? Yes, but the panic is causing just as much, if not more problems. here's a list of a few diseases that kill more people in Africa but get much less coverage.
http://answersafrica.com/diseases-in-africa.html
Numbers 2, 3 and 4 (particularly 2) definitely get coverage.
all 10 caused more death than ebola, but i'll grant you that I was being a tad hyperbolic.
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
My post disappeared. I'm assuming I deleted it by accident rather than it being removed by a mod
Anyway:
It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Has Tetanus completely destroyed the healthcare infrastructure of three different countries, and is spreading in such a way that it is projected to rack up Black Death style death tolls? There's no comparison.
you have a weird morbid fascination with the disease. I'm not the only one who thinks so. hell, the thread was renamed in your honour before mongers had a change of heart.
Is ebola dangerous? Yes, but the panic is causing just as much, if not more problems. here's a list of a few diseases that kill more people in Africa but get much less coverage.
http://answersafrica.com/diseases-in-africa.html
This attitude makes me despair. It's why we have failed to intervene effectively. It is doubling every three weeks. By the spring it will outstrip every disease on that list.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kurzweilai.net%2Fimages%2FEbola-cases-and-deaths.jpg&hash=20fde81af804a8bdccaad5f1b0b7f5235f16bbbf)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.who.int%2Fimmunization%2Fmonitoring_surveillance%2Fburden%2Fvpd%2Fsurveillance_type%2Fpassive%2FTetanus_map_cases.jpg%3Fua%3D1&hash=a275d37a4abb46b77e3b67e91a20dc14402af5c5)
To take up for Tim, he overreacts to every news story, good and bad. See his optimism that we are going to have nuclear fusion or megawarp drives in five years when some random publication predicts it. What do you expect to do when all the major media outlets are giving prime coverage to a disease outbreak?
Regarding tetanus, if an article has ever been published regarding its effect on Africa, I am sure Tim has posted a thread on it, because he posts a thread on everything that makes it into the news. Maybe that thread died without any posts because no one is excited about discussing tetanus in Africa, or maybe such a news article has never been written because newsmen know that we don't care to read such articles, but either way, I think the fault is with us rather than Tim.
Tim apologists. :blurgh:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 08:17:16 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 16, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
My post disappeared. I'm assuming I deleted it by accident rather than it being removed by a mod
Anyway:
It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Has Tetanus completely destroyed the healthcare infrastructure of three different countries, and is spreading in such a way that it is projected to rack up Black Death style death tolls? There's no comparison.
you have a weird morbid fascination with the disease. I'm not the only one who thinks so. hell, the thread was renamed in your honour before mongers had a change of heart.
Is ebola dangerous? Yes, but the panic is causing just as much, if not more problems. here's a list of a few diseases that kill more people in Africa but get much less coverage.
http://answersafrica.com/diseases-in-africa.html
This attitude makes me despair. It's why we have failed to intervene effectively. It is doubling every three weeks. By the spring it will outstrip every disease on that list.
And it's exactly what MSF was saying about in the article I posted on the last page.
QuoteMSF was ringing alarm bells in spring about the Ebola outbreak being out of control, but it took until August for WHO to recognise the scale of the threat and declare a "health emergency of international concern," a legal mechanism that flips switches in the international community so that funding and expertise are mobilised faster and protection measures are put in place.
"Every meeting where we've been trying to advise something, it's been a challenge," Liu says. "We had the feeling people didn't understand what we were talking about. They were just looking at the figures. When you look at the figures in absolute [compared with other diseases that kill many more people] people say 'why are we getting so excited?' But Ebola has completely killed the infrastructure of these countries. It is attacking the state and the health structures. We cannot afford to let that continue."
"I am running out of words to convey the sense of urgency. The despair is so huge and the indifference so incredible."
The panic we need to galvanize the masses against this disease is also what is causing the overreaction that makes the current state disastrous. It is a paradox. Whoa.
Well it is absurd we need to generate a public panic to get appropriate action about this. If I had but known I would have been preaching doom across Texas back in the spring. I would have blamed Obama and a conspiracy of Liberals, that always gets the Texas public fired up. The WHO has a lot to answer for.
Quote"I am running out of words to convey the sense of urgency. The despair is so huge and the indifference so incredible."
Should've been sick on top of oil deposits.
Quote from: HVC on October 16, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
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Anyway:
It'd be a lot more believable if he showed any inkling of concern for the plight of Africans before a cool disease showed up. Tetanus kills like 110 thousands Africans a year, but it's such a boring disease.
Fuck, really?
We're so dooomed.
Famine is starting to set in. :(
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/ebola-outbreak-famine-approaches-toadd-to-west-africas-torment-9799944.html
QuoteEbola outbreak: Famine approaches – bringing a fresh nightmare to West Africa
Sierra Leone's fields are without farmers. Its crops go un-reaped. In the quarantine areas, feeding is patchy – some get food, others don't. People then leave the enforced isolation in search of a meal, so Ebola spreads. In three West African countries where many already live a hand-to-mouth existence, the act of eating is increasingly rare.
Ebola, the virus that has ravaged Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea at an unprecedented rate, continues its devastating spread. The number of dead doubles with each passing month; the bodies unburied. More lives are devastated with each passing day.
And in the absence of a mass-produced vaccine, its treatment – enforced isolation, mass quarantines – now threatens to bring a new crisis: starvation.
Earlier this month, two children who were among the thousands orphaned by the virus, were visited by aid workers in Liberia's capital, Monrovia. At the time, the workers did not have the resources to take the children away. When they returned days later, the children were dead. They died not from Ebola, but starvation.
Yesterday, as the World Health Organisation warned that more than 4,500 people would be dead before the end of the week, a new threat to West Africa's stability emerged: three quarters of a million people may die from malnutrition, as an unprecedented modern famine follows the disease – if urgent action is not taken.
While Ebola's direct consequences prompt terror, its indirect results are equally disturbing – food prices spiral, farms are abandoned, meals are scarce and those most in need, the estimated 4,000 orphans of the virus, go hungry.
Speaking on the eve of World Food Day, Denise Brown, the United Nations World Food Programme's regional director for West Africa, said: "The world is mobilising and we need to reach the smallest villages in the most remote locations.
"Indications are that things will get worse before they improve. How much worse depends on us all."
The UN agency estimates that it has provided food to a little over half a million people in the three worst-hit countries. It is aiming to feed at least another 600,000 before the end of October.
But for Tom Dannatt, founder and chief executive of Street Child, a specialist West Africa children's charity, the food crisis in West Africa is not unexpected.
If current projections are correct, there could be up to 10,000 Ebola cases a week in West Africa before Christmas. That would, if mortality projections of 70 per cent remain correct, result in 7,000 deaths every week and thousands more orphans.
Speaking to The Independent yesterday, Mr Dannatt described the "very patchy" feeding programmes in Sierra Leone and Liberia.
"Some get food, others don't," he said. "They go unfed and they don't have the right nutrients and they are then susceptible to disease. They break the quarantine and go out in town to eat [so] the infection spreads."
Some districts in Sierra Leone have been under quarantine for 10 weeks.
"Life in those districts – it's like holding your breath: you can do it for a while, but you can't do it for huge periods," said Mr Dannatt. "It's the most vulnerable that reach the sharp end first."
Yesterday, Koinadugu in the country's far north – the last district where Ebola had not previously reached – recorded its first two cases.
Mr Dannatt said food prices in quarantined districts had increased by up to 100 per cent for certain goods, while opportunities to earn money were greatly reduced.
"Villagers and agricultural workers are frightened to go out to the field to do their normal work. They are frightened to go market as well," he said.
On Monday, Kanayo Nwanze, president of the UN International Fund for Agricultural Development, said that up to 40 per cent of farms have been abandoned in the worst-affected areas of Sierra Leone. There are already food shortages in Senegal and other countries in West Africa, because regional trade has been disrupted.
According to the World Food Programme's survey of people in the Kailahun and Kenema districts of Sierra Leone – where most Ebola cases have been reported – many are resorting to desperate measures to cope – often making do with scraps.
In Lofa County, the worst affected rural area in Liberia, the price of food and other commodities increased from 30 to 75 per cent, just in August. The NGO Action Against Hunger said the price of cassava – a key staple – increased by almost 150 per cent in the Liberian capital, Monrovia, during the first week in August.
It is not just food that is scarce in Liberia. The country and its overwhelmed government also faces a projected shortage of 80,000 body bags to bury the dead and 100,000kg of chlorine powder to disinfect quarantine zones.
"Everyone from the governments of Liberia and Sierra Leone, through to the international donor community, has been slow on the medical response and on the food response," said Mr Dannatt.
"This has been coming as obviously and clearly as light at the end of the night." He added: "The excuse is, 'We're focused on just stopping Ebola'. If find it frustrating when people say the hungry will get through it. I wonder whether that division is an accurate one. If we made sure every quarantined family was fed a proper ration they wouldn't break out and infect others."
An Oxfam spokesperson said yesterday: "The priority for Oxfam and other aid agencies at this stage is to bring the Ebola outbreak under control by scaling up our response.
"Nevertheless, the wider impact of this crisis is already tangible. People are losing their income as fields, markets and goods are inaccessible, and [are] thus being pushed further into poverty.
"There is less local food in markets and what is there is becoming more expensive. In some areas, this already means that people do not have enough food to eat. This crisis has wiped away years of development gains, hard-won after brutal civil wars, which is likely to increase the fragility of the countries and stability of the region."
Mr Dannatt added: "The saving Grace of West Africa in terms of Ebola may be in this miniscule, overblown link to the West; that it might come and get you – it's bewildering and extraordinary."
Ebola Czar in the house!
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-taps-former-biden-aide-ron-klain-as--ebola-czar-144859279.html
QuoteObama taps former Biden aide Ron Klain as 'Ebola czar'
A well regarded manager, not a doctor, called in to fix the federal response
President Barack Obama has picked Ron Klain, an inside-the-Beltway veteran and well regarded manager, to oversee and fix the wobbly federal government response to West Africa's deadly Ebola outbreak.
"The president has asked Ron Klain to take on the task of coordinating his administration's whole of government Ebola response," the White House said. His formal title will be "Ebola response coordinator."
Klain, a former chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, "will report directly" to Obama Homeland Security Adviser Lisa Monaco and National Security Adviser Susan Rice.
His job will be to ensure "that efforts to protect the American people by detecting, isolating and treating Ebola patients in this country are properly integrated but don't distract from the aggressive commitment to stopping Ebola at the source in West Africa," the White House said.
Klain, a veteran of political knife fights like the 2000 presidential election recount in Florida, is generally well regarded in Congress by Democrats and Republicans for his managerial skills. As Biden's chief of staff, Klain oversaw the implementation of the 2009 economic stimulus package.
Klain, a lawyer by training, currently runs Case Holdings, which oversees the business and charity interests of former AOL Chairman Steve Case. He is also general counsel at the Washington-based venture capital firm Revolution LLC.
It's like the Onion said, Ebola is "easily Africa's 4th or 5th most pressing concern".
I am pretty sure it is the top concern in Liberia and Sierra Leone. The Onion may be right that places in Africa thousands of miles away it is probably pretty low down the list. Good thing we are only talking about those places and not the entire continent.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 17, 2014, 02:14:31 AM
Famine is starting to set in. :(
That, at least, should be a straightforward problem to fix. Plenty of government subsidized over farming in the West.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 16, 2014, 09:46:32 PM
The panic we need to galvanize the masses against this disease is also what is causing the overreaction that makes the current state disastrous. It is a paradox. Whoa.
It's an easy paradox to reconcile, since it's a simple misattribution. The countries' infrastructures are being decimated by the panic, not the disease. To steal yet another cliche, the tail is wagging the dog.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 17, 2014, 02:14:31 AM
Famine is starting to set in. :(
:( While unpleasant, this is likely the beginning of the end. Humans can only survive for 28 days without food. With starvation already setting in, it will likely be only a week or two more before the infected perish, leaving the survivors to pick up the pieces.
I have always hated the "czar" bullshit. How fucking infantile.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
I have always hated the "czar" bullshit. How fucking infantile.
Do you mean the media's use of the title, or the tendency to appoint a point person to deal with specific issues?
Quote from: Jacob on October 17, 2014, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
I have always hated the "czar" bullshit. How fucking infantile.
Do you mean the media's use of the title, or the tendency to appoint a point person to deal with specific issues?
[derspiess]
No he just hates anything to do with pre-revolutionary Russia.
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Quote from: Jacob on October 17, 2014, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
I have always hated the "czar" bullshit. How fucking infantile.
Do you mean the media's use of the title, or the tendency to appoint a point person to deal with specific issues?
The media's--and the government's--use of the title. It's stupid. Drug czar. Cybersecurity czar. Biz czar, you ask me. Why not a Drug Duke? Drug Dauphin? It's sztupid.
Monger's quote is a close 2nd. Why not an Ebola Commissar? DONT TURN AROUND
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: Jacob on October 17, 2014, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
I have always hated the "czar" bullshit. How fucking infantile.
Do you mean the media's use of the title, or the tendency to appoint a point person to deal with specific issues?
The media's--and the government's--use of the title. It's stupid. Drug czar. Cybersecurity czar. Biz czar, you ask me. Why not a Drug Duke? Drug Dauphin? It's sztupid.
Monger's quote is a close 2nd. Why not an Ebola Commissar? DONT TURN AROUND
US Presidents appointing a czar has a long history - it goes back as far as Woodrow Wilson appointing an "industry czar" in 1920.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/10/czar-trek/381605/
QuoteIt was Franklin Roosevelt, though, who solidified the trend.
Ugh.
Doesn't make it any less fucking stupid.
I'm with Money on this, but I've ranted about it on languish before.
Just curious, but by your lights are you ranting about it now?
He's berserker by Max standards.
Czar is weird, but the alternative is some snoozer of a bureacratic title like chief coordinator.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
I have always hated the "czar" bullshit. How fucking infantile.
:lol:
Yeah, I absolutely agree with you; news of a new "Czar" always raises my blood pressure and gets me fulminating.
Perhaps more importantly I've never noticed these "Czars" ever achieving much :hmm:
Perhaps they are just an update on a Royal Commission.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 17, 2014, 04:34:51 PM
He's berserker by Max standards.
Czar is weird, but the alternative is some snoozer of a bureacratic title like chief coordinator.
Well they do all have bureaucratic titles too.
The Spanish nurse that got infected is in remission and the virus levels in her blood are now "negligible".
She was given a few of those experimental treatments, fwiw.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
I have always hated the "czar" bullshit. How fucking infantile.
How come female appointees aren't called Czarinas? I dislike the term too. How about Director or something less symbolic?
Because the whole point of the position is symbolic, silly.
Quote from: celedhring on October 17, 2014, 05:23:45 PM
The Spanish nurse that got infected is in remission and the virus levels in her blood are now "negligible".
She was given a few of those experimental treatments, fwiw.
Good to hear. Now if only there can be a lot more success in the African nations...
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2014, 08:47:16 PM
Because the whole point of the position is symbolic, silly.
Lol, I guess so. Too bad though since Czars are appointed to head up important issues!
If only Lincoln had a slavery czar, might have avoided the ACW!
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 17, 2014, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
I have always hated the "czar" bullshit. How fucking infantile.
:lol:
Yeah, I absolutely agree with you; news of a new "Czar" always raises my blood pressure and gets me fulminating.
Perhaps more importantly I've never noticed these "Czars" ever achieving much :hmm:
Perhaps they are just an update on a Royal Commission.
Only marginally more effective than, say, "Special Prosecutor."
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2014, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 17, 2014, 02:14:31 AM
Famine is starting to set in. :(
That, at least, should be a straightforward problem to fix. Plenty of government subsidized over farming in the West.
Not really. You have to ship the found there, and as fear increases and insurance premium goes up shipping to the affected countries has declined just as air travel has. That trend will only continue.
Even if you get the food there, how will you get it effectively transported outside the capital rather than horded there or stolen along the way? You're going to lots of trucks, drivers, armed guards, etc. I don't see evidence that the Liberian government is capable of organizing a massive relief effort at this time.
Interesting report of a doctor who just got back from Liberia
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n20/paul-farmer/diary
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: Jacob on October 17, 2014, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
I have always hated the "czar" bullshit. How fucking infantile.
Do you mean the media's use of the title, or the tendency to appoint a point person to deal with specific issues?
The media's--and the government's--use of the title. It's stupid. Drug czar. Cybersecurity czar. Biz czar, you ask me. Why not a Drug Duke? Drug Dauphin? It's sztupid.
Monger's quote is a close 2nd. Why not an Ebola Commissar? DONT TURN AROUND
Greak Khan. That puts the fear into your enemies' hearts. Or Voivod.
Meh. The evolution of the English language to include "czar" to mean a cross-departmental high-level coordinator doesn't bother me in the slightest. The creation of them for symbolic political gain is irritating, but that's not the fault of the word.
Ivan, Peter and Catherine are offended.
No shit. "Czars" in a federal republic. Smacks of something from Civilization.
That's a 77.7% fatality rate for those with the best care available, even worse then we've heard.
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/our-work/medical-issues/ebola?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=brand_sitelink&gclid=CjwKEAjw2MOhBRCq-Nr87_j-lDASJAAl4FNhYUkyqogBAGMtzUq1aubp2CHrohBMbVgVgIgo6w8PLBoCGePw_wcB
QuoteMSF has admitted more than 4,500 patients, among whom more than 2,700 were confirmed as having Ebola. Around 1,000 have survived.
Seems hopeless :(
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-19/ebola-front-line-doctors-at-breaking-point.html
QuoteEbola Front-Line Doctors at Breaking Point
By Makiko Kitamura and Naomi Kresge
October 19, 2014 6:42 PM EDT 35 Comments
At 3:30 a.m. in the world's biggest Ebola treatment center, Daniel Lucey found the outbreak reduced to its essentials: patients lying on mattresses on the floor and vomiting in the dark, visible only by the wavering flashlight beam of a single volunteer doctor.
"I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel," said Lucey, a physician and professor from Georgetown University who is halfway through a five-week tour in Liberia with Medecins Sans Frontieres, the medical charity known in English as Doctors Without Borders. "The epidemic is still getting worse," he said by phone between shifts.
That's an increasingly urgent challenge for MSF and the global health community. As fear spreads in the U.S. over transmission of the virus to two nurses in a modern Dallas hospital, the main fight against the outbreak is still being waged by volunteers like Lucey half a world away.
MSF has been the first -- and often only -- line of defense against Ebola in West Africa. The group raised the alarm on March 31, months ahead of the World Health Organization. Now, after treating almost a third of the roughly 9,000 confirmed Ebola cases in Africa -- and faced with a WHO warning of perhaps 10,000 new infections a week by December -- MSF is reaching its limits.
"They are at the breaking point," said Vinh-Kim Nguyen, a professor at the School of Public Health at the University of Montreal who has volunteered for a West African tour with MSF in a few weeks. MSF has already seen 21 workers infected and 12 people die, and "there's a sense that there's a major wave of infections that's about to wash everything away," Nguyen said.
Biafra War
The story of how a relatively small, decentralized group like MSF came to lead the response to the world's biggest outbreak of Ebola began 43 years ago in Paris. Alarmed by war and famine in the Nigerian secessionist state of Biafra, 13 doctors and journalists created an emergency medical response organization that could work around the world.
The founders imagined a global version of France's emergency medicine system, according to Peter Redfield, a professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who published a 2013 book about MSF. The group has since opened offices in 28 countries, and in 1999 it won a Nobel Peace Prize. The money was used to study neglected diseases.
"They have 40 years of experience dealing with the kind of situation they're in now," said Renee Fox, an emeritus professor of sociology at the University of Pennsylvania who published her own book about MSF this year.
MSF views part of its job as "temoignage," or bearing witness to injustice, Fox said. The organization has clashed with global pharmaceutical companies over the price of medication in developing countries, and this year it spoke out about chemical weapons attacks in Syria. In West Africa, it called for a broader global response before the WHO was willing to acknowledge an emergency existed.
"People did not listen," Fox said.
WHO Director-General Margaret Chan said in an Oct. 17 interview that the agency's response may not have matched the scale and complexity of the outbreak.
Lassa Fever
MSF was already in Guinea when the Ebola outbreak began. A Swiss team doing malaria control in the town of Gueckedou, near the borders with Liberia and Sierra Leone, got a letter from Guinea's Ministry of Health on March 12 detailing an illness that had struck eight people, including a doctor who died after caring for a patient from Gueckedou. MSF dispatched researchers to take blood samples, case histories and symptoms, according to Hugues Robert-Nicoud, an MSF emergency program manager.
They initially suspected Lassa fever, a disease common in the region. It took a week to organize safe transportation of the blood samples, first to the Guinean capital in Conakry and then to European labs. On March 21, the Pasteur Institute in Lyon, France, said the mystery disease might be either Ebola or Marburg, a similar virus.
Sinking Boat
"I dropped my pen and thought, 'This is trouble,'" Robert-Nicoud said. The lab confirmed the worst: Ebola.
On March 23, the WHO posted the confirmation on its website. A week later, MSF issued a statement citing eight cases in Conakry and calling the outbreak unprecedented. The WHO didn't declare Ebola an international public health emergency until Aug. 8, more than four months after MSF's warning.
In March and April, MSF was able to follow patients and everyone they had come in contact with, what's known as contact tracing. While MSF has sent almost 300 foreigners to west Africa to fight the epidemic, and has hired about 3,000 locals, it can no longer do effective contact tracing due to the exponential rise in cases, Robert-Nicoud said.
"There's a change of scale in this epidemic every two weeks," he said.
When he was in Monrovia at the end of September, Robert-Nicoud said the ministry of health told him there were only 12 ambulances to serve a city of 1 million people, where traffic jams can delay delivery of patients to treatment centers by two hours.
Changing Diapers
"It's this constant feeling that the boat's sinking," Robert-Nicoud said. "You try to plug the water that's coming in, but the holes are everywhere."
In Monrovia, Georgetown volunteer Lucey's hospital wards are 10 tents, stifling in the tropical heat, with corridors of orange netting separating the definitely sick from suspected cases, the dangerous from the safe.
Some 600 Liberian citizens work with a rotating team of international doctors, nurses and logistics experts. Still, the enveloping suits required to protect caregivers from infection are so hot that doctors must limit their shifts to just 45 minutes.
Lucey said MSF doctors rely instead on recovering patients for help. Infected adults care for other people's children; one 20-year-old man took over diaper changes for a sick three-month-old.
"Every day we have deaths," Lucey said. "Every morning you get up at 6 a.m., go to sleep at 11 p.m. Meetings in the morning and meetings at night, and you work, work, work until you can't work anymore. Then you get up in the morning and do it again."
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 20, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
Seems hopeless :(
I don't see you doing anything to help.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 20, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
Seems hopeless :(
You're supposed to be an optimist. So focus on one of these things:
Ebola survivors being trained as nurses.
CC's vaccine. It's gonna work. Hopefully.
The fact the disease hasn't taken hold anywhere outside the three countries where it's been for several months. (I'll be shocked if this is still true six months from now, but I'm a pessimist.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/opinion/cubas-impressive-role-on-ebola.html
QuoteCuba's Impressive Role on Ebola
Cuba is an impoverished island that remains largely cut off from the world and lies about 4,500 miles from the West African nations where Ebola is spreading at an alarming rate. Yet, having pledged to deploy hundreds of medical professionals to the front lines of the pandemic, Cuba stands to play the most robust role among the nations seeking to contain the virus.
Cuba's contribution is doubtlessly meant at least in part to bolster its beleaguered international standing. Nonetheless, it should be lauded and emulated.
The global panic over Ebola has not brought forth an adequate response from the nations with the most to offer. While the United States and several other wealthy countries have been happy to pledge funds, only Cuba and a few nongovernmental organizations are offering what is most needed: medical professionals in the field.
Doctors in West Africa desperately need support to establish isolation facilities and mechanisms to detect cases early. More than 400 medical personnel have been infected and about 4,500 patients have died. The virus has shown up in the United States and Europe, raising fears that the epidemic could soon become a global menace.
It is a shame that Washington, the chief donor in the fight against Ebola, is diplomatically estranged from Havana, the boldest contributor. In this case the schism has life-or-death consequences, because American and Cuban officials are not equipped to coordinate global efforts at a high level. This should serve as an urgent reminder to the Obama administration that the benefits of moving swiftly to restore diplomatic relations with Cuba far outweigh the drawbacks.
The Cuban health care workers will be among the most exposed foreigners, and some could very well contract the virus. The World Health Organization is directing the team of Cuban doctors, but it remains unclear how it would treat and evacuate Cubans who become sick. Transporting quarantined patients requires sophisticated teams and specially configured aircraft. Most insurance companies that provide medical evacuation services have said they will not be flying Ebola patients.
Secretary of State John Kerry on Friday praised "the courage of any health care worker who is undertaking this challenge," and made a brief acknowledgment of Cuba's response. As a matter of good sense and compassion, the American military, which now has about 550 troops in West Africa, should commit to giving any sick Cuban access to the treatment center the Pentagon built in Monrovia and to assisting with evacuation.
The work of these Cuban medics benefits the entire global effort and should be recognized for that. But Obama administration officials have callously declined to say what, if any, support they would give them.
The Cuban health sector is aware of the risks of taking on dangerous missions. Cuban doctors assumed the lead role in treating cholera patients in the aftermath of Haiti's earthquake in 2010. Some returned home sick, and then the island had its first outbreak of cholera in a century. An outbreak of Ebola on the island could pose a far more dangerous risk and increase the odds of a rapid spread in the Western Hemisphere.
Cuba has a long tradition of dispatching doctors and nurses to disaster areas abroad. In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the Cuban government created a quick-reaction medical corps and offered to send doctors to New Orleans. The United States, unsurprisingly, didn't take Havana up on that offer. Yet officials in Washington seemed thrilled to learn in recent weeks that Cuba had activated the medical teams for missions in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea.
With technical support from the World Health Organization, the Cuban government trained 460 doctors and nurses on the stringent precautions that must be taken to treat people with the highly contagious virus. The first group of 165 professionals arrived in Sierra Leone in recent days. José Luis Di Fabio, the World Health Organization's representative in Havana, said Cuban medics were uniquely suited for the mission because many had already worked in Africa. "Cuba has very competent medical professionals," said Mr. Di Fabio, who is Uruguayan. Mr. Di Fabio said Cuba's efforts to aid in health emergencies abroad are stymied by the embargo the United States imposes on the island, which struggles to acquire modern equipment and keep medical shelves adequately stocked.
In a column published over the weekend in Cuba's state-run newspaper, Granma, Fidel Castro argued that the United States and Cuba must put aside their differences, if only temporarily, to combat a deadly scourge. He's absolutely right.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 04:20:26 PM
Doesn't make it any less fucking stupid.
Wait... the "czar" title is actually his official designation?
Yeah, that's pretty fucking dumb.
We just got the travel ban from GE for Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea as well as the Nigerian city of Port Harcourt. Still waiting for the one for Texas :alberta:
;)
Well a typical real-world czar was someone way above his head, embued with enormous theoretical power but in reality ineffectual and easily destracted, with access to vast resources that were misused, whose efforts ended up in failure and obscurity.
So really the title works quite well as applied.
Quote from: Jacob on October 20, 2014, 11:08:47 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 17, 2014, 04:20:26 PM
Doesn't make it any less fucking stupid.
Wait... the "czar" title is actually his official designation?
Yeah, that's pretty fucking dumb.
No. He's the Ebola Response Coordinator.
While the vaccine is being tested at Walter Reid it is also being sent to WHO headquarters so that it can be ready to be given out if the testing is successful.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 20, 2014, 11:41:28 AM
While the vaccine is being tested at Walter Reid it is also being sent to WHO headquarters so that it can be ready to be given out if the testing is successful.
They must be confident, then.
Is this the plant-based vaccinia?
In other good news, Nigeria and I think Senegal have both been declare free of the disease, now that their cases have been isolated, dealt with and no new ones have occured. :cool:
Quote from: garbon on October 20, 2014, 11:29:19 AMNo. He's the Ebola Response Coordinator.
Much less dumb, then :)
Quote from: mongers on October 20, 2014, 12:47:01 PM
In other good news, Nigeria and I think Senegal have both been declare free of the disease, now that their cases have been isolated, dealt with and no new ones have occured. :cool:
You might appreciate this article on Dr. Stella Ameyo Adadevoh who was one of the critical people in controlling the outbreak in Nigeria, and who herself died from Ebola - http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/oct/20/dr-stella-ameyo-adadevoh-ebola-doctor-nigeria-hero
Quote from: Jacob on October 20, 2014, 06:44:01 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 20, 2014, 12:47:01 PM
In other good news, Nigeria and I think Senegal have both been declare free of the disease, now that their cases have been isolated, dealt with and no new ones have occured. :cool:
You might appreciate this article on Dr. Stella Ameyo Adadevoh who was one of the critical people in controlling the outbreak in Nigeria, and who herself died from Ebola - http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/oct/20/dr-stella-ameyo-adadevoh-ebola-doctor-nigeria-hero
Damn, that's sad. Thanks for the link.
I had a bit of the diarrhea over the weekend. :huh:
Quote from: Josephus on October 20, 2014, 07:23:17 PM
I had a bit of the diarrhea over the weekend. :huh:
Poop n00b.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 20, 2014, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 20, 2014, 07:23:17 PM
I had a bit of the diarrhea over the weekend. :huh:
Poop n00b.
Nah, if he was really a noob, that wouldn't be a bit of diarrhea, it would be extremely severe constipation.
And the Spanish nurse as been officially cured of Ebola. :)
Quote from: The Larch on October 21, 2014, 10:45:58 AM
And the Spanish nurse as been officially cured of Ebola. :)
man, Tim's 50 bucks worked quickly :P
Quote from: The Larch on October 21, 2014, 10:45:58 AM
And the Spanish nurse as been officially cured of Ebola. :)
:cheers:
It's also the 21st day since she first developed symptoms, and so far nobody that has been in contact with her has developed the illness. Fingers crossed.
About time.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/21/ebola-travel-restrictions-dhs-screening-jfk-dulles-ohare-newark-atlanta/17655889/
Well, at least it's a start. Have airport personnel checking for signs of Ebola, though hospital staff are sometimes wrong. Besides, what if a person has Ebola but is not yet symptomatic?
Quote from: KRonn on October 21, 2014, 02:25:53 PM
Well, at least it's a start. Have airport personnel checking for signs of Ebola, though hospital staff are sometimes wrong. Besides, what if a person has Ebola but is not yet symptomatic?
Then it's basically's Schroeders Ebola.
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Are we making a pool?
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Are we making a pool?
I guess we are now. I'll take 70,000.
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Are we making a pool?
It's not just a guess, it's a prediction based on the total cases & deaths so far, with various calculations. It'll end up infecting about 1.6 million according to my model (but once vaccination programs are up and running the death rate will fall dramatically) by the end of 2017.
Of course this is just reported cases & deaths, and it could be that both figures could be ten times worse.
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Are we making a pool?
It's not just a guess, it's a prediction based on the total cases & deaths so far, with various calculations. It'll end up infecting about 1.6 million according to my model (but once vaccination programs are up and running the death rate will fall dramatically) by the end of 2017.
Of course this is just reported cases & deaths, and it could be that both figures could be ten times worse.
So it's a guess.
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2014, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Are we making a pool?
It's not just a guess, it's a prediction based on the total cases & deaths so far, with various calculations. It'll end up infecting about 1.6 million according to my model (but once vaccination programs are up and running the death rate will fall dramatically) by the end of 2017.
Of course this is just reported cases & deaths, and it could be that both figures could be ten times worse.
So it's a guess.
It's a calculated guess..
Quote from: derspiess on October 21, 2014, 03:00:45 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Are we making a pool?
I guess we are now. I'll take 70,000.
I'll take 70,001.
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 21, 2014, 03:00:45 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Are we making a pool?
I guess we are now. I'll take 70,000.
I'll take 70,001.
Poor choice, you're out when someone calls 70,002.
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 21, 2014, 03:00:45 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Are we making a pool?
I guess we are now. I'll take 70,000.
I'll take 70,001.
I'll take 420,420.
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
It's not just a guess, it's a prediction based on the total cases & deaths so far, with various calculations. It'll end up infecting about 1.6 million according to my model (but once vaccination programs are up and running the death rate will fall dramatically) by the end of 2017.
Of course this is just reported cases & deaths, and it could be that both figures could be ten times worse.
I thought vaccines were supposed to prevent infection. You make it sound like they prevent infected people from dying.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 21, 2014, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
It's not just a guess, it's a prediction based on the total cases & deaths so far, with various calculations. It'll end up infecting about 1.6 million according to my model (but once vaccination programs are up and running the death rate will fall dramatically) by the end of 2017.
Of course this is just reported cases & deaths, and it could be that both figures could be ten times worse.
I thought vaccines were supposed to prevent infection. You make it sound like they prevent infected people from dying.
Vaccines are designed to prevent infection and in some cases if the vaccine is administered soon after an infection it can also help by jumpstarting the production of antibodies to fight the infection.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 21, 2014, 02:37:24 PM
Quote from: KRonn on October 21, 2014, 02:25:53 PM
Well, at least it's a start. Have airport personnel checking for signs of Ebola, though hospital staff are sometimes wrong. Besides, what if a person has Ebola but is not yet symptomatic?
Then it's basically's Schroeders Ebola.
:lmfao:
The ebola that lurks within.
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 21, 2014, 03:00:45 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Are we making a pool?
I guess we are now. I'll take 70,000.
I'll take 70,001.
You know if we had a journalist on the board, they might take this out of context and write a headline something like "Sick internet trolls, bet on Ebola death toll" - Daily mail calls for minimum 2 year jail sentence for internet sickos. :P
Quote from: mongers on October 21, 2014, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 21, 2014, 03:00:45 PM
Quote from: Liep on October 21, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
Are we making a pool?
I guess we are now. I'll take 70,000.
I'll take 70,001.
You know if we had a journalist on the board,
:whistle:
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
200,000 cases in West Africa by Christams, minimum.
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Doctor in NYC being tested for ebola who had been in west africa, then apparently "quarantined" himself at home in Harlem.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 21, 2014, 07:45:54 PM
Quote from: PJL on October 21, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
My prediction. 60,000 dead before it's controlled (will take a year for cumulative deaths to stabilise).
200,000 cases in West Africa by Christams, minimum.
MERYYR CHRISTAMS
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
Doctor in NYC being tested for ebola who had been in west africa, then apparently "quarantined" himself at home in Harlem.
Wonder how he got into the country.
I got quoted in the Dallas Observer! :w00t:
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/local_ebola_fears_seem_to_be_subsiding_is_ebolapocalypse_over.php
Oh, you and your lackadaisical attitude :P
Quote from: derspiess on October 23, 2014, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
Doctor in NYC being tested for ebola who had been in west africa, then apparently "quarantined" himself at home in Harlem.
Wonder how he got into the country.
He's a New Yorker
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/new-york-doctor-just-back-africa-tested-ebola-n232561
Isn't Mali in as bad shape as Liberia on the stability and human development front? I don't have confidence they'll be able to contain an outbreak like Nigeria did.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29750723
QuoteEbola crisis: Mali confirms first infection case
The Mali government has confirmed the first case of Ebola in the country.
It said a two-year-old girl had tested positive for the haemorrhagic virus. She recently returned from the neighbouring Guinea.
More than 4,800 people have died of Ebola - mainly in Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone - since March.
Meanwhile, an international team of scientists has been set up to determine the effectiveness of using the blood of Ebola survivors as a treatment.
It is hoped the antibodies used by the immune system to fight Ebola can be transferred from a survivor to a patient. The study will start in Guinea.
Porous borders
Speaking on state television on Thursday, Malian Health Minister Ousmane Kone said the infected girl was being treated in the western town of Kayes.
She was brought to a local hospital on Wednesday and her blood sample was Ebola-positive, Mr Kone said.
The child and those who have come into contact with her have been put in quarantine.
The girl's mother died in Guinea a few weeks ago and the child was then brought by relatives to Mali, Reuters news agency quotes a health ministry official as saying.
Mali is now the sixth West African country to be affected by the latest Ebola outbreak - however Senegal and Nigeria have since been declared virus-free by the WHO.
With porous borders, countries neighbouring Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia are on high alert for possible imported cases of the virus, says BBC regional correspondent Anne Soy.
Separately, the World Health Organization (WHO) has already identified at least two experimental vaccines which it believes could be promising.
At a meeting in Geneva, the UN health body said it wanted tests of the vaccines to be completed by the end of December.
The WHO says 443 health workers have contracted Ebola, of whom 244 have died.
The models don't look promising. :(
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20141022006771/en/3336947/RMS-Develops-World%E2%80%99s-Probabilistic-Model-West-African#.VEmi31dX1dt (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20141022006771/en/3336947/RMS-Develops-World%E2%80%99s-Probabilistic-Model-West-African#.VEmi31dX1dt)
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RMS Develops World's First Probabilistic Model of West African Ebola Outbreak, Finds Current Outbreak Has Potential to be Deadliest Infectious Disease Event in a Century
Current outbreak will worsen and could reach as many as 1,400 new cases per day within a month, according to pandemic risk experts
NEWARK, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--According to a new report by RMS, the world's leading catastrophe risk management firm, the Ebola virus disease outbreak in West Africa has the potential to be the most deadly infectious disease event since the 1918 flu pandemic.
The current outbreak will continue to worsen while the deployment of resources is ramped up to meet the caseload. According to RMS modeling, until a tipping point is reached where the number of new daily cases declines rather than increases, the severity of the outbreak will continue to multiply, with the total number of new cases approximately doubling each month.
"Controlling the spread of this Ebola outbreak is more a question of logistics than virology," said Dominic Smith, pandemic risk expert and senior manager of Life Risks at RMS. "The fight against the Ebola epidemic is a race against a moving target; more resources are required as the number of cases increases."
RMS modeling suggests that, based on current response efforts, the tipping point will not be reached until January 2015. Modeling further reveals a 55 percent chance that by the end of November, at least 1,000 new cases of Ebola will develop daily, and as many as 1,400 per day in a worst-case scenario. There have been more than 9,000 cases reported in total to date.
Adding to the devastation of the Ebola outbreak, overwhelmed medical systems in West Africa have less resources to respond to other diseases and the mortality rate of malaria and yellow fever is on the rise. Malaria deaths are likely to continue rising as the seasonal height of malaria transmission is reached next month.
RMS modeled the future paths of cases and deaths from the Ebola virus in Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia, which were combined with a probabilistic assessment of various international medical and military response scenarios to estimate the timing of the tipping point where cases are controlled such that the disease tapers off.
Reaching the Tipping Point
If effective resources are deployed at a rate that outstrips the pace of increase in new cases, a tipping point can be reached where the number of new daily cases reaches a maximum, allowing response measures to kick in and prevent new infections at a rate that causes the epidemic to subside.
"The way to stop this outbreak is simple in principle and has been demonstrated in Nigeria and in specific cities in the affected region: reduce contacts with infected people by more than half," said Smith. "The scale and pace of the international response will define how long it takes to reach the tipping point."
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that, even in the absence of treatments and vaccines, the epidemic would be brought under control and eventually come to an end if approximately 70 to 75 percent of cases are in medical care or treatment units, or in environments where there is a reduced risk of disease transmission.
In a realistic scenario based on current response efforts, RMS analysis projects the tipping point will be reached at the end of January 2015, with the outbreak subsiding by June 2015.
Modeling the West African Ebola Outbreak
When modeling a disease, RMS first looks at the reported virulence and the transmissibility of the pathogen responsible for causing Ebola. This virus is extremely deadly, with an estimated case fatality rate of 69 to 73 percent. This range of estimates for transmissibility, as measured by R0, is between 1.5 and 2.2, which means on average an infected individual will transmit the virus to approximately two other people in a susceptible population.
RMS then takes into account mitigating criteria, including medical and non-medical interventions. In its modeling, RMS evaluated the current response resources in place in impacted countries, further resources already pledged and a range of estimates of potential additional resources that will be deployed. For each country, RMS used these factors to formulate five scenarios, ranging from very optimistic to very pessimistic, and their associated probabilities.
The number of beds for Ebola treatment currently in use is far below what is needed to reverse the outbreak in any of the three effected countries. To reach the tipping point sooner, faster ramp up of mitigating efforts is essential, but subsequently, fewer total beds and resources in general will be required.
For example, in order to reach the tipping point in Sierra Leone, the current number of beds in use needs to be approximately tripled by the end of November to halt the outbreak with the smallest total number of cases and at the lowest overall cost. If that fails, the number will need to increase to six times today's number by the end of December to halt the outbreak.
A large degree of reliance will be placed on beds being rolled out in Ebola treatment centers (ETCs), which cost $5.7 million to set up and run a fifty-bed center for one month. Ebola community care units (ECUs) staffed by rapidly trained non-experts rather than medical workers are being set up in some areas, but there is larger uncertainty surrounding their effectiveness.
Treatments might help reduce the case fatality rate, but are very unlikely to have a significant role in halting the spread of the Ebola epidemic. An Ebola vaccine might be available in time to shorten the epidemic, but will not be produced in sufficient quantities to have an active role in halting the spread of the epidemic in the next few months.
Ebola Outside of West Africa
RMS does not expect this outbreak of Ebola to become a significant mortality threat in other parts of the world. It is possible that it could spread to neighboring countries in West Africa. This risk can be reduced by appropriate screening of people leaving the impacted region and could be contained with rapid implementation of effective control measures.
In the situation where there are potentially 10,000 new cases per week in West Africa, there will be more cases exported into other countries. This is possible via two routes:
Foreign workers combating the spread of the virus are likely to be repatriated to their home countries. Currently the United States, United Kingdom, France and Cuba have delivered personnel in significant numbers. RMS does not consider this to be a probable source of escalation as such cases will be monitored and isolated by the public health systems already in place in those countries.
Infected people travelling to other regions unchecked could transmit Ebola outside of West Africa. However, the capability of most countries to trace contacts is higher than in Liberia and Sierra Leone, and stronger travel control measures could be implemented if case numbers exceeded a prudent limit.
RMS will be updating the model with new numbers every few weeks, projecting the course of the event in near real-time.
About RMS
RMS models and software help financial institutions and public agencies evaluate and manage catastrophe risks throughout the world, promoting resilient societies and a sustainable global economy.
Learn more at www.rms.com (http://www.rms.com) and follow us @RMS.
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More horrible predictions. :(
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/ebola-outbreak-virus-to-kill-67000-in-monrovia-by-december-claims-academic-study-9814804.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/ebola-outbreak-virus-to-kill-67000-in-monrovia-by-december-claims-academic-study-9814804.html)
QuoteIn the first study to apply mathematical models of disease spread to the unprecedented outbreak, experts from Yale University and Liberia's health ministry predicted that, in the worst-case scenario, there could be 113,000 cases and 67,000 deaths in Liberia's Montserrado County, which includes the capital Monrovia, by 15 December.
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
Doctor in NYC being tested for ebola who had been in west africa, then apparently "quarantined" himself at home in Harlem.
Shit just got real.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 23, 2014, 06:15:45 PM
I got quoted in the Dallas Observer! :w00t:
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/local_ebola_fears_seem_to_be_subsiding_is_ebolapocalypse_over.php
QuoteWith Wednesday's opening, we spoke to residents and workers near the center to gauge their reaction. The response? Meh.
:lol: Typical Languish response.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 23, 2014, 06:15:45 PM
I got quoted in the Dallas Observer! :w00t:
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/local_ebola_fears_seem_to_be_subsiding_is_ebolapocalypse_over.php
Show us your tits Cristina. :)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 21, 2014, 10:33:51 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 20, 2014, 12:57:56 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 20, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
Seems hopeless :(
I don't see you doing anything to help.
Just donated $50 to Doctor's Without Borders
And now one of their doctors in NYC has Ebola.
THANKS TIMMAY! :mad:
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 23, 2014, 06:59:16 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 23, 2014, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
Doctor in NYC being tested for ebola who had been in west africa, then apparently "quarantined" himself at home in Harlem.
Wonder how he got into the country.
He's a New Yorker
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/new-york-doctor-just-back-africa-tested-ebola-n232561
No shit. Now why did he get into the country freely, given his travel history? I'm guessing he also lied on his form like the Liberian guy did. Apparently the honor system doesn't do a great job of keeping the virus out of the country.
Are you serious? He's an American citizen, he's entitled to enter the country.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 24, 2014, 09:02:39 AM
Are you serious? He's an American citizen, he's entitled to enter the country.
...and then be quarantined based upon his travel history. Or are you happy that he brought the virus into NYC?
To quarantine an American is unconstitutional.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 23, 2014, 06:15:45 PM
I got quoted in the Dallas Observer! :w00t:
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/local_ebola_fears_seem_to_be_subsiding_is_ebolapocalypse_over.php
You missed your chance to remind everyone that none of thiswould have happened if everyone lived in a concrete bunker.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 09:09:35 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 24, 2014, 09:02:39 AM
Are you serious? He's an American citizen, he's entitled to enter the country.
...and then be quarantined based upon his travel history. Or are you happy that he brought the virus into NYC?
Are you suggesting that all travellers from West Africa be quarantined?
Quote from: Jacob on October 24, 2014, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 09:09:35 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 24, 2014, 09:02:39 AM
Are you serious? He's an American citizen, he's entitled to enter the country.
...and then be quarantined based upon his travel history. Or are you happy that he brought the virus into NYC?
Are you suggesting that all travellers from West Africa be quarantined?
Yessir. Pretty much-- if by West Africa you mean Liberia, Sierra Leone & Guinea, that is.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 11:14:14 AM
Are you suggesting that all travellers from West Africa be quarantined?
Yessir. Pretty much-- if by West Africa you mean Liberia, Sierra Leone & Guinea, that is.[/quote]
I wonder how much that would cost?
Quote from: Jacob on October 24, 2014, 11:23:12 AM
I wonder how much that would cost?
Dunno. Probably less than it would cost to fight a serious outbreak, though.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 11:28:59 AM
Quote from: Jacob on October 24, 2014, 11:23:12 AM
I wonder how much that would cost?
Dunno. Probably less than it would cost to fight a serious outbreak, though.
And
much less than it would cost to fight a thermonuclear war.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 11:28:59 AM
Quote from: Jacob on October 24, 2014, 11:23:12 AM
I wonder how much that would cost?
Dunno. Probably less than it would cost to fight a serious outbreak, though.
A lot more than if we had tried to contain the outbreak several months ago.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 11:28:59 AM
Quote from: Jacob on October 24, 2014, 11:23:12 AM
I wonder how much that would cost?
Dunno. Probably less than it would cost to fight a serious outbreak, though.
There's not going to be a serious outbreak in America.
However if we instituted such a quarantine no Americans would go to W. Africa and their would be no hope of ever stopping the epidemic there, leading to massive fatalities there and furthering the spread of the disease around the world.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 24, 2014, 12:30:44 PM
However if we instituted such a quarantine no Americans would go to W. Africa and their would be no hope of ever stopping the epidemic there, leading to massive fatalities there and furthering the spread of the disease around the world.
A 21-day quarantine upon their return would cause all that? I doubt it.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 12:37:51 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 24, 2014, 12:30:44 PM
However if we instituted such a quarantine no Americans would go to W. Africa and their would be no hope of ever stopping the epidemic there, leading to massive fatalities there and furthering the spread of the disease around the world.
A 21-day quarantine upon their return would cause all that? I doubt it.
Who's going to pay their bills in the mean time?
Quote from: Fate on October 24, 2014, 02:26:45 PM
Who's going to pay their bills in the mean time?
They will. Or hell, maybe we could arrange for some assistance if needed.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 24, 2014, 02:26:45 PM
Who's going to pay their bills in the mean time?
They will. Or hell, maybe we could arrange for some assistance if needed.
So they go help the world fight a disease that kills 70-90% of people and they get rewarded with no paycheck for a month and locked up at home.
That'll sure encourage American doctors, nurses, and medics to work for MSF.
There's already been a lot of pushback from hospitals not wanting to give leave to people who want to go help (when they usually do allow doctors/nurses to help during other disasters), citing the increased time needed and risk.
Quote from: Fate on October 24, 2014, 02:31:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: Fate on October 24, 2014, 02:26:45 PM
Who's going to pay their bills in the mean time?
They will. Or hell, maybe we could arrange for some assistance if needed.
So they go help the world fight a disease that kills 70-90% of people and they get rewarded with no paycheck for a month and locked up at home.
That'll sure encourage American doctors, nurses, and medics to work for MSF.
If they're that committed, they'll absorb the three week extra time off. Anyway, whatever the impact on Africa, I think our policy should be to try to protect US citizens first.
We can let them volunteer there, of course. Just shoot down any plane coming from those countries, only way to be sure and cheaper than nuking from orbit.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 02:41:36 PM
Anyway, whatever the impact on Africa, I think our policy should be to try to protect US citizens first.
So they can exercise their constitutional right to be anti-vaccine goofs. USA USA USA
I'd like to hear your opinion on the actual issue, Seedy.
My opinion on the matter is unchanged:
http://youtu.be/eAqYTTf-Gn8
Doe. Not. Panic.
de Blasio already told me not to panic, so I'm chill. :cool:
Quote from: garbon on October 24, 2014, 03:49:39 PM
de Blasio already told me not to panic, so I'm chill. :cool:
Just don't be a groundhog and he won't kill you.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/24/new-york-new-jersey-set-up-mandatory-quarantine-requirement-amid-ebola-threat/
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.
Not necessarily. Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go. They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back. Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.
Not necessarily. Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go. They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back. Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.
I think that is reasonable. I don't know how long it takes to find out if you have ebola in your system from a blood sample, but if it's a short period and if it's logistically possible I think taking blood samples of people who have spend time in the infected areas entering the US might be prudent.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.
Not necessarily. Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go. They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back. Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.
I think that is reasonable. I don't know how long it takes to find out if you have ebola in your system from a blood sample, but if it's a short period and if it's logistically possible I think taking blood samples of people who have spend time in the infected areas entering the US might be prudent.
Quarantine period is 21 days. Not that easy to lock up so many people for so long.
New York and New Jersey have imposed quarantines on health care workers returning from the hot zone.
I personally think it's excessive. As long as they monitor their temp quite closely so the illness is detected early, it should be okay. Our infected nurse had sex with her husband after developing the illness and he didn't get infected (well, he still has 2 days remaining of quarantine but he's healthy) . It looks like it's really hard to infect others unless the illness is already in a very advanced stage.
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.
Not necessarily. Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go. They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back. Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.
I've been doing some basic searches of the forum, and I'm kind of surprised how you never demonstrated this level of concern about the H1N1 scare of 2009-10, which was profoundly more dangerous than a blood and bodily fluid-born viral hemorrhagic fever.
In fact, with the exception of mentioning that the little missus drags her feet when it comes to flue shots, you did not participate in any of the H1NI/Swine Fru threads at all. :lol:
I wonder why that is? :hmm:
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A few GBU-43/B would help the containment.
Quote from: celedhring on October 24, 2014, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.
Not necessarily. Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go. They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back. Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.
I think that is reasonable. I don't know how long it takes to find out if you have ebola in your system from a blood sample, but if it's a short period and if it's logistically possible I think taking blood samples of people who have spend time in the infected areas entering the US might be prudent.
Quarantine period is 21 days. Not that easy to lock up so many people for so long.
How many people we talking about? I don't think it's difficult to quarantine people a large number of people for 21 days. We build camps for displaced people after Hurricanes and such. Same kind of thing. If Derspeiss will agree to a "big government solution", then it has to have some merit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2014, 06:11:00 PM
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.
Not necessarily. Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go. They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back. Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.
I've been doing some basic searches of the forum, and I'm kind of surprised how you never demonstrated this level of concern about the H1N1 scare of 2009-10, which was profoundly more dangerous than a blood and bodily fluid-born viral hemorrhagic fever.
In fact, with the exception of mentioning that the little missus drags her feet when it comes to flue shots, you did not participate in any of the H1NI/Swine Fru threads at all. :lol:
I wonder why that is? :hmm:
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Well, cause that was about impossible to quarantine. By the time that strain of flu had been identified it was in already the the general population. Ebola on the other hand is geographically limited and most importantly not at large in our country. We can contain it, we can save a lot of lives.
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Quote from: Fate on October 24, 2014, 02:26:45 PM
Who's going to pay their bills in the mean time?
They will. Or hell, maybe we could arrange for some assistance if needed.
So they go help the world fight a disease that kills 70-90% of people and they get rewarded with no paycheck for a month and locked up at home.
That'll sure encourage American doctors, nurses, and medics to work for MSF.
If they're that committed, they'll absorb the three week extra time off. Anyway, whatever the impact on Africa, I think our policy should be to try to protect US citizens first.
The best way to protect America is to stamp out Ebola in Africa.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 24, 2014, 09:00:57 PM
The best way to protect America is to stamp out Ebola in Africa.
Nah, we just close the ports and we're safe. :wacko:
Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2014, 08:03:05 PM
Well, cause that was about impossible to quarantine. By the time that strain of flu had been identified it was in already the the general population. Ebola on the other hand is geographically limited and most importantly not at large in our country. We can contain it, we can save a lot of lives.
Quit fucking up my meme gags, Rainman.
Super bad news. :(
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/mali-case-infected-people-26433093 (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/mali-case-infected-people-26433093)
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WHO: Mali Case Put Many at Risk for Ebola
BAMAKO, Mali — Oct 24, 2014, 5:10 PM ET
By BABA AHMED and SARAH DiLORENZO Associated Press
Many people in Mali are at high risk of catching Ebola because the toddler who brought the disease to the country was bleeding from her nose as she traveled on a bus from Guinea, the World Health Organization warned Friday.
The U.N. agency is treating the situation as an emergency since many people may have had "high-risk exposures" to the 2-year-old girl during her journey through several towns in Mali, including two hours in the capital, Bamako. The girl was traveling with her grandmother.
The toddler died while being treated at a hospital in the western city of Kayes on Friday, according to a statement from the Health Ministry read out on television.
This is the first Ebola case in Mali and may expand to many more. The case highlights how quickly the virus can hop borders and even oceans, just as questions are being asked about what precautions health care workers who treat Ebola patients should take when they return home from the hot zone. Doctors Without Borders insisted Friday, after one of its doctors who worked in Guinea came down with Ebola in New York, that quarantines of returning health workers are not necessary when they do not show symptoms of the disease.
In the Mali case, however, the girl was visibly sick, WHO said, and an initial investigation has identified 43 people, including 10 health workers, she came into close contact with who are being monitored for symptoms and held in isolation. The child was confirmed to have Ebola on Thursday.
"The child's symptomatic state during the bus journey is especially concerning, as it presented multiple opportunities for exposures — including high-risk exposures — involving many people," the agency said in a statement.
The girl first went to a clinic in Mali on Monday and she was initially treated for typhoid, which she tested positive for. When she did not improve, she was tested for Ebola.
Mali has long been considered highly vulnerable to Ebola's spread since it shares a border with the Ebola-hit countries of Guinea and Senegal, and staff from WHO and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were already there helping to prepare for a case. More WHO staff are being deployed.
The Ebola outbreak began in Guinea and has since spread to five other West African countries. The virus has also been imported to Spain and the United States. On Thursday, Craig Spencer, who had been working with Doctors Without Borders in Guinea and returned home to the U.S. about a week before, reported a fever and is now being treated at a New York hospital.
Some countries have banned travelers from the three main Ebola countries — Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone — and the U.S. started health screening of travelers arriving from there. But Doctors Without Borders said having its staffers quarantine themselves after leaving a country with Ebola is going too far if no symptoms are evident. A person infected with Ebola is not contagious until he or she starts showing symptoms.
"As long as a returned staff member does not experience any symptoms, normal life can proceed," Doctors Without Borders said in a statement sent to The Associated Press on Friday. "Self-quarantine is neither warranted nor recommended when a person is not displaying Ebola-like symptoms."
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Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2014, 08:03:05 PM
Well, cause that was about impossible to quarantine. By the time that strain of flu had been identified it was in already the the general population. Ebola on the other hand is geographically limited and most importantly not at large in our country. We can contain it, we can save a lot of lives.
Quit fucking up my meme gags, Rainman.
Should have know Ebola was gag time with you.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2014, 11:06:42 PM
Should have know Ebola was gag time with you.
What's wrong with a little gallows humor?
Seedy really needs to clarify between "gag time" and "ball-gag time".
Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2014, 11:35:17 PM
Seedy really needs to clarify between "gag time" and "ball-gag time".
It's usually quite apparent. :P
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Quote from: KRonn on October 21, 2014, 02:25:53 PM
Well, at least it's a start. Have airport personnel checking for signs of Ebola, though hospital staff are sometimes wrong. Besides, what if a person has Ebola but is not yet symptomatic?
Then it's basically's Schroeders Ebola.
Please tell me this is some joke I don't get and you just didnt confuse Schroedinger with Schroeder.
Btw, how do you get medically untrained airport personnel tasked with checking thousands of people daily "look for signs of ebola" (which are essentially flu like) during the flu season? This sounds like the most moronic, disastrous idea I have heard in a long time but I could be missing something?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/nyregion/ebola-quarantine.html?_r=0
QuoteWhite House Presses States to Reconsider Mandatory Ebola Quarantine Orders
Te Obama administration has expressed deep concerns to the governors of New York and New Jersey and is consulting with them to modify their orders to quarantine medical volunteers returning from West Africa as President Obama seeks to quickly develop a new, nationwide policy for the workers, according to two senior administration officials.
One administration official said the federal government has been pressing the governors to back off their decisions, which quarantine all medical workers who had contact with Ebola patients. But another official said the administration has not specifically asked the governors to reverse their policies.
Mr. Obama held a meeting with his top advisers at the White House on Sunday as officials work to craft a policy that reassures Americans that they are protected from the virus while following the guidance of the government's scientific advisers. Officials said that policy will be ready in days and that the government would urge all states to follow it.
On Sunday both governors, Andrew M. Cuomo of New York and Chris Christie of New Jersey, stood by their decisions, saying that the current federal guidelines did not go far enough.
At the same time, the first person to be forced into isolation under the new protocols, Kaci Hickox, a nurse returning from Sierra Leone, planned to mount a legal challenge to the quarantine order. Despite having no symptoms, she has been kept under quarantine at a hospital in New Jersey, where she has been confined to a tent equipped with a portable toilet and no shower. On Sunday, she spoke to CNN about the way she has been treated, describing it as "inhumane."
The rapidly escalating events played out both privately, in intense negotiations and phone calls between federal and state officials, as well as publicly in Ms. Hickox's pointed criticism of the New Jersey governor.
Mayor Bill de Blasio said on Sunday that the way Ms. Hickox had been treated was shameful and vowed that New York City would do all it could to honor the work of the health care workers here and those who go help fight the epidemic in West Africa.
"The problem here is, this hero, coming back from the front having done the right things was treated with disrespect," Mr. de Blasio said.
"We have to think how we treat the people who are doing this noble work," he said. "We owe her better than that."
He said there have been reports that nurses who work at Bellevue have been stigmatized, with people refusing to serve them food or treating their children differently. Such behavior was unacceptable, he said.
"The people who work at Bellevue are the Marines of our health care system," he said. "They understand what their duty is, and they are only too proud to perform it."
Ever since Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, and Mr. Christie, a Republican, announced the plan at a hastily called news conference on Friday evening, top Obama administration officials have been speaking with Mr. Cuomo daily and have also been in touch with Mr. Christie, trying to get them to modify the order. But Mr. Christie said at a fund-raiser in Florida that he had "gotten absolutely no contact" from the White House.
But in that time, two more states — Illinois and Florida — announced that they were instituting similar policies, as some members of the public expressed outrage that the infected patient in New York City had used the subway and gone bowling just before developing symptoms.
Federal officials made it clear that they do not agree with the governors about the need or effectiveness of a total quarantine for health care workers, though they were careful not to directly criticize the governors themselves.
A senior administration official, who did not want to be identified in order to discuss private conversations with state officials on the issue, called the decision by the governors "uncoordinated, very hurried, an immediate reaction to the New York City case that doesn't comport with science."
Indeed, Mr. Christie said he did not consult with the White House about the decision. "I did not let them know," he said in a brief interview in Boca Raton, Fla., where he was campaigning for the state's Republican governor, Rick Scott.
The United States is sending thousands of military personnel and other federal workers to the West African countries hit hardest by the virus, and a mandatory quarantine could make sending personnel to those countries more difficult, officials said.
The decision to institute a mandatory quarantine came after a New York doctor, Craig Spencer, received a diagnosis of Ebola on Thursday, having contracted the virus while working in Guinea for Doctors Without Borders. He is being treated at Bellevue Hospital Center, where he is in serious but stable condition. "The patient looks better than yesterday," Dr. Ramanathan Raju, the president of the city's Health and Hospitals Corporation, said on Sunday.
The decision for mandatory quarantines has not only opened a rift with federal officials, but also between New York City and the state.
Having seen the disorganized way officials in Dallas implemented quarantine orders for people who came into contact with Thomas Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, New York City officials were determined to do better.
One key part of their strategy was to ensure that they were able to meet all the needs of those placed in isolation, making their time as comfortable as possible.
The plans called for monitors to be assigned to each quarantined family or individual and dedicated solely to help them get meals, stay in contact with loved ones and have a clear line of communication with officials.
On Friday night, those carefully laid plans were thrown aside when Mr. Christie and Mr. Cuomo called for the mandatory quarantine.
"The entire city was not informed, even the mayor's office," according to a city official involved in New York's Ebola response. "The mayor was caught unaware."
"The big picture decision was made in the absence of any deep thinking about what implementing the policy would entail," the official said.
As for Ms. Hickox, her plane happened to land precisely at the wrong moment.
"This nurse just happened to land mid-conversation between the two governors," the official said.
Quotethe first person to be forced into isolation under the new protocols, Kaci Hickox, a nurse returning from Sierra Leone, planned to mount a legal challenge to the quarantine order. Despite having no symptoms, she has been kept under quarantine at a hospital in New Jersey, where she has been confined to a tent equipped with a portable toilet and no shower. On Sunday, she spoke to CNN about the way she has been treated, describing it as "inhumane."
Now that's being a bit silly. Surprised there wasn't any legal action taken on her behalf.
Quotehave also been in touch with Mr. Christie, trying to get them to modify the order. But Mr. Christie said at a fund-raiser in Florida that he had "gotten absolutely no contact" from the White House.
Maybe they're stuck in bridge traffic.
Weird. There's no reason to put her in a freaking tent. That hospital has at least one free bed available to house someone who is by all reports healthy. It's like they're intentionally sabotaging Christie/Cuomo's quarantine effort.
Quote from: Martinus on October 25, 2014, 03:31:56 AM
Btw, how do you get medically untrained airport personnel tasked with checking thousands of people daily "look for signs of ebola" (which are essentially flu like) during the flu season? This sounds like the most moronic, disastrous idea I have heard in a long time but I could be missing something?
In all likelyhood yeah, you are missing something.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/27/new-york-hospital-ebola-symptoms
QuoteNew York hospital monitors boy, five, for possible symptoms
A five-year-old boy who arrived from Guinea was being observed in isolation at Bellevue Hospital in New York City for possible Ebola symptoms, media reports said on Monday.
The boy, who arrived in the United States on Saturday, had a 103F (39C) fever, ABC News reported. He has not been tested for the virus and was not under quarantine, ABC said, citing officials with New York City's health department.
The New York Post said the boy had been vomiting and was transported from his home in the Bronx by emergency medical workers.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE
Am I the only person who consistently misreads this thread's topic as "ebola and other ebonics"?
Yes.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2014, 06:11:00 PM
I've been doing some basic searches of the forum, and I'm kind of surprised how you never demonstrated this level of concern about the H1N1 scare of 2009-10, which was profoundly more dangerous than a blood and bodily fluid-born viral hemorrhagic fever.
Fun way to spend your weekend.
QuoteIn fact, with the exception of mentioning that the little missus drags her feet when it comes to flue shots, you did not participate in any of the H1NI/Swine Fru threads at all. :lol:
I wonder why that is? :hmm:
I'm sure your "basic" search turned up that I abstained from this thread for quite a while as well. I only took interest in it fairly recently.
In any case, the difference in death rate is what makes Ebola (70-90%) a bit more concerning than swine flu (0.02%). But nice try on the race accusation.
Quote from: derspiess on October 27, 2014, 09:33:27 AM
I'm sure your "basic" search turned up that I abstained from this thread for quite a while as well. I only took interest in it fairly recently.
My basic search turned up a post by you on page 1. :P
Quote from: derspiess on October 27, 2014, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2014, 06:11:00 PM
I've been doing some basic searches of the forum, and I'm kind of surprised how you never demonstrated this level of concern about the H1N1 scare of 2009-10, which was profoundly more dangerous than a blood and bodily fluid-born viral hemorrhagic fever.
Fun way to spend your weekend.
Lots of free time on my hands these days.
QuoteQuoteIn fact, with the exception of mentioning that the little missus drags her feet when it comes to flue shots, you did not participate in any of the H1NI/Swine Fru threads at all. :lol:
I wonder why that is? :hmm:
I'm sure your "basic" search turned up that I abstained from this thread for quite a while as well. I only took interest in it fairly recently.
In any case, the difference in death rate is what makes Ebola (70-90%) a bit more concerning than swine flu (0.02%). But nice try on the race accusation.
Not an accusation at all, just a statement of fact. If these were white people were coming from Europe, you'd be inviting them to the CrackerFest '14 instead of isolation.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 27, 2014, 10:00:30 AM
Not an accusation at all, just a statement of fact. If these were white people were coming from Europe, you'd be inviting them to the CrackerFest '14 instead of isolation.
Sure, because there is no outbreak in Europe.
Chris Christie just let the quarantined nurse go.
Quote from: derspiess on October 27, 2014, 10:02:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 27, 2014, 10:00:30 AM
Not an accusation at all, just a statement of fact. If these were white people were coming from Europe, you'd be inviting them to the CrackerFest '14 instead of isolation.
Sure, because there is no outbreak in Europe.
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Stop stealing bandwith, Seedy. Sheez...
Bandwidth don't cost nothing, and I have a human right to it.
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:lol:
So now apparently Christian pastors in Liberia are calling on the faithful to retaliate against local gays, as they are to blame for Ebola - a clear sign of God's anger.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/45832-liberias-gay-population-is-being-blamed-for-ebola-and-punished-with-violence
Why don't we just cut all flights to and from Africa and let these savages die in their own filth? Perhaps in a few generations the continent could be recolonized, this time with civilised people?
You do realize there is a land connection between Africa and Poland, don't you? :ph34r:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 03:36:37 AM
You do realize there is a land connection between Africa and Poland, don't you? :ph34r:
They have to go through the Arab lands and so far very few have succeeded. And Italians and Greeks seem pretty good in sinking the ones trying to cross the sea.
And before someone calls me racist, I am not against any particular race, just against Africa - whether black, white, Christian or Muslim, the people there are just savages.
Think of it more as a relay than a marathon.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 03:57:30 AM
Think of it more as a relay than a marathon.
Fortunately, we convinced Arabs they have a bunch of holy rocks in the area so they are unlikely to leave it to Africans. :secret:
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 03:36:37 AM
You do realize there is a land connection between Africa and Poland, don't you? :ph34r:
They have to go through the Arab lands and so far very few have succeeded. And Italians and Greeks seem pretty good in sinking the ones trying to cross the sea.
If they can find illegal Liberian immigrants in Salzburg (as happened recently), they can find them in Poland.
Quote from: Syt on October 28, 2014, 04:08:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 03:36:37 AM
You do realize there is a land connection between Africa and Poland, don't you? :ph34r:
They have to go through the Arab lands and so far very few have succeeded. And Italians and Greeks seem pretty good in sinking the ones trying to cross the sea.
If they can find illegal Liberian immigrants in Salzburg (as happened recently), they can find them in Poland.
But Poland is too shitty and cold for someone to want to immigrate to.
See, we have thought of everything. :smarty:
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 04:10:32 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 28, 2014, 04:08:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 03:36:37 AM
You do realize there is a land connection between Africa and Poland, don't you? :ph34r:
They have to go through the Arab lands and so far very few have succeeded. And Italians and Greeks seem pretty good in sinking the ones trying to cross the sea.
If they can find illegal Liberian immigrants in Salzburg (as happened recently), they can find them in Poland.
But Poland is too shitty and cold for someone to want to immigrate to.
See, we have thought of everything. :smarty:
Actually Poland is currently second in the EU in residence permits issued, behind only the UK. There are always shittier places where people come from.
Quote from: The Larch on October 28, 2014, 05:11:35 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 04:10:32 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 28, 2014, 04:08:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 03:36:37 AM
You do realize there is a land connection between Africa and Poland, don't you? :ph34r:
They have to go through the Arab lands and so far very few have succeeded. And Italians and Greeks seem pretty good in sinking the ones trying to cross the sea.
If they can find illegal Liberian immigrants in Salzburg (as happened recently), they can find them in Poland.
But Poland is too shitty and cold for someone to want to immigrate to.
See, we have thought of everything. :smarty:
Actually Poland is currently second in the EU in residence permits issued, behind only the UK. There are always shittier places where people come from.
Interesting, I would've expected somebody like Germany being above them. I guess Poland has somewhat relaxed immigration laws?
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Quote from: The Larch on October 28, 2014, 05:11:35 AM
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Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 03:36:37 AM
You do realize there is a land connection between Africa and Poland, don't you? :ph34r:
They have to go through the Arab lands and so far very few have succeeded. And Italians and Greeks seem pretty good in sinking the ones trying to cross the sea.
If they can find illegal Liberian immigrants in Salzburg (as happened recently), they can find them in Poland.
But Poland is too shitty and cold for someone to want to immigrate to.
See, we have thought of everything. :smarty:
Actually Poland is currently second in the EU in residence permits issued, behind only the UK. There are always shittier places where people come from.
Interesting, I would've expected somebody like Germany being above them. I guess Poland has somewhat relaxed immigration laws?
Germany, even being amongst the top group, is still behind France and Italy and roughly on par with Spain. The ranking for residence permits issued in 2013 goes roughly like this:
- UK: 750k people.
- Poland: 274k people.
- Italy: 244k people.
- France: 212k people.
- Germany: 200k people.
- Spain: 196k people.
- Sweden: 99k people.
Here's the link: http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/3-22102014-AP/EN/3-22102014-AP-EN.PDF (http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/3-22102014-AP/EN/3-22102014-AP-EN.PDF)
Quote from: The Larch on October 28, 2014, 05:11:35 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 04:10:32 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 28, 2014, 04:08:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 03:36:37 AM
You do realize there is a land connection between Africa and Poland, don't you? :ph34r:
They have to go through the Arab lands and so far very few have succeeded. And Italians and Greeks seem pretty good in sinking the ones trying to cross the sea.
If they can find illegal Liberian immigrants in Salzburg (as happened recently), they can find them in Poland.
But Poland is too shitty and cold for someone to want to immigrate to.
See, we have thought of everything. :smarty:
Actually Poland is currently second in the EU in residence permits issued, behind only the UK. There are always shittier places where people come from.
Yes, but we mainly get immigrants from Eastern Europe and Asia, not Africa.
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Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 04:10:32 AM
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Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 03:36:37 AM
You do realize there is a land connection between Africa and Poland, don't you? :ph34r:
They have to go through the Arab lands and so far very few have succeeded. And Italians and Greeks seem pretty good in sinking the ones trying to cross the sea.
If they can find illegal Liberian immigrants in Salzburg (as happened recently), they can find them in Poland.
But Poland is too shitty and cold for someone to want to immigrate to.
See, we have thought of everything. :smarty:
Actually Poland is currently second in the EU in residence permits issued, behind only the UK. There are always shittier places where people come from.
Yes, but we mainly get immigrants from Eastern Europe and Asia, not Africa.
Those immigrations from '40's from Eastern Europe and Asia worked out so wonderfully. :ph34r:
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 06:32:14 AM
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Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 04:10:32 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 28, 2014, 04:08:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 03:36:37 AM
You do realize there is a land connection between Africa and Poland, don't you? :ph34r:
They have to go through the Arab lands and so far very few have succeeded. And Italians and Greeks seem pretty good in sinking the ones trying to cross the sea.
If they can find illegal Liberian immigrants in Salzburg (as happened recently), they can find them in Poland.
But Poland is too shitty and cold for someone to want to immigrate to.
See, we have thought of everything. :smarty:
Actually Poland is currently second in the EU in residence permits issued, behind only the UK. There are always shittier places where people come from.
Yes, but we mainly get immigrants from Eastern Europe and Asia, not Africa.
It takes only an infected one to kickstart the zombie apocalypse. :ph34r:
Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2014, 03:55:21 AM
And before someone calls me racist, I am not against any particular race, just against Africa - whether black, white, Christian or Muslim, the people there are just savages.
"Guys, I'm not racist, okay? I'm just a horrible person."
Oct 20th
http://www.mohsw.gov.lr/documents/SITRep%20158%20Oct%2020th,%202014.pdf (http://www.mohsw.gov.lr/documents/SITRep%20158%20Oct%2020th,%202014.pdf)
Oct 23rd
http://www.mohsw.gov.lr/documents/SITREP%20161%20Oct%2023th%202014.pdf (http://www.mohsw.gov.lr/documents/SITREP%20161%20Oct%2023th%202014.pdf)
Apparently there were 1500 cases in Liberia between the 20th and 23rd, but 600 people came back to life, so I guess that's okay? :unsure:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 28, 2014, 07:54:53 AM
Apparently there were 1500 cases in Liberia between the 20th and 23rd, but 600 people came back to life, so I guess that's okay? :unsure:
Did those 600 insist on a diet of brains?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs
"I'm not dead yet!"
The 419 scammers have shifted to Ebola:
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Following the recent outbreak of one of the deadliest virus/disease ever known to mankind in the West Africa called EBOLA VIRUS; thousands have lost their life's including children, adult, and family's.
Please take your time to read this information carefully.
Before this year, Ebola was a disease relegated to remote villages in Africa. Even public health officials didn't worry about it spreading very far. Until recently, they would probably tell you that the virus typically burned out after ravaging only a handful of people.
But then came 2014.This year has, in many ways, rewritten the Ebola rulebook. We're in the middle of an unprecedented, nightmarish epidemic that has spread from a rural rainforest region in West Africa to large urban centers. The World Health Organization's director has called it "the greatest peacetime challenge" the world has ever faced, with the number of cases doubling each week. Now, health care officials are starting to talk about a worst-case scenario for Ebola. The World Health Organization projects that 20,000 people will be infected in November The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,(CDC) meanwhile, projects up to 1.4 million people could be infected by January, assuming that Ebola cases continue to increase exponentially (as they have) and are currently underreported.
The 2014 Ebola outbreak is the largest Ebola outbreak in history and the first Ebola outbreak in West Africa. This outbreak is the first Ebola epidemic the world has ever known —affecting multiple countries in West Africa. A small number of cases in Lagos and Port Harcourt, Nigeria, have been associated with a man from Liberia who traveled to Lagos and died from Ebola, but the virus does not appear to have been widely spread in Nigeria. The case in Senegal is related to a man who traveled there from Guinea.
The Geneva-based W.H.O said in its report, which it dubbed a road map for responding to Ebola, strengthening laboratory facilities and adding staff with more expertise to help contain the outbreak of the virus. Public health infrastructure needed to be improved to cope with future treatments. The road map called for the establishment of Ebola isolation centers and burials of victims which are supervised by health care experts among other specific responses to the disease.
The W.H.O said getting health experts to regions affected by the Ebola virus outbreak was an urgent priority. That has been made difficult because international airlines, including Air France, British Airways, Emirates Airline and K.L.M airline. Have suspended flights to the four affected countries. The W.H.O program will likely cost around $490 million and require contributions from national governments, some U.N. and non-governmental agencies, and individuals as well as humanitarian organizations, As a result of the assistance which part of the public has been financially, materially and morally donated.
Although the risk of an Ebola outbreak in the United States and other part of the world is low, CDC and partners are taking precautions to prevent this from happening. CDC is working with other U.S. government agencies, the World Health Organization (WHO), and other domestic and international partners and has activated its Emergency Operations Center to help coordinate technical assistance and control activities with partners. CDC has also deployed teams of public health experts to West Africa and will continue to send experts to the affected countries.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is the national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in unincorporated DeKalb County, Georgia, a few miles northeast of the Atlanta city limits.[1][2][3] Its main goal is to protect public health and safety through the control and prevention of disease, injury, and disability. The CDC focuses national attention on developing and applying disease control and prevention. It especially focuses its attention on infectious disease, food borne pathogens, environmental health, occupational safety and health, health promotion, injury prevention and educational activities designed to improve the health of United States citizens and the whole world. In addition, the CDC researches and provides information on non-infectious diseases such as obesity and diabetes and is a founding member of the International Association of National Public Health Institutes.
The CDC Foundation operates independently from CDC as a private, nonprofit organization incorporated in the State of Georgia. The creation of the Foundation was authorized by section 399F of the Public Health Service Act to support the mission of CDC in partnership with the private sector, including organizations, foundations, businesses, educational groups, and individuals.
Sir/Ma, we are hereby appealing for more funds and other material support, regardless of the amount to rehabilitate the lives of all present patients that are affected by this deadly virus/disease and to contain the spread of the virus.
God in his grace and infinite mercies will reward people who contribute in any way to save the life's of other humans in need, we strongly believe that as you move to assist these less privilege once, In the name of God or whatever you believe in you shall never be a victim of this deadly virus/disease including your families and love ones.
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Quote from: The Larch on October 28, 2014, 07:01:13 AM
It takes only an infected one to kickstart the zombie apocalypse. :ph34r:
Tim's posts are going to infect someone with rage. :(
Quote from: alfred russel on October 28, 2014, 09:45:45 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 28, 2014, 07:01:13 AM
It takes only an infected one to kickstart the zombie apocalypse. :ph34r:
Tim's posts are going to infect someone with rage. :(
He hasn't really updated us with gloom nor doom that much lately. Is Ebola contained? What's next on the THIS'LL-KILL-US-NOW agenda?
Quote from: Liep on October 28, 2014, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 28, 2014, 09:45:45 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 28, 2014, 07:01:13 AM
It takes only an infected one to kickstart the zombie apocalypse. :ph34r:
Tim's posts are going to infect someone with rage. :(
He hasn't really updated us with gloom nor doom that much lately. Is Ebola contained? What's next on the THIS'LL-KILL-US-NOW agenda?
That last update is about gloom and doom as you can get. Obviously those six hundred are dead, another thousand from that 1500 will follow and they're doctoring the numbers because they're desperate to avoid a panic.
1500 new cases in 3 days?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 10:03:46 AM
1500 new cases in 3 days?
The numbers from Liberia have been totally incoherent lately. Some reputable sources are saying the numbers have dropped a lot, others are saying people are hiding the sick and corpses because they are afraid of treatment centers and don't want to burn the bodies.
We're just going to have to wait a month and see what shape the country is then.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 10:03:46 AM
1500 new cases in 3 days?
That sounds like a good sign to me. If anything Liberia's figures were being under-reported (by at least 2,500 by my reckoning). If they've now suddenly jumped up, it's more likely that reported figures are catching up with actual figures.
Did anybody watch 60 Minutes this week, where they interviewed the nursing staff that took care of the Liberian that died at Texas Presbyterian? One nurse said the most shocking thing was the sheer amount of waste in vomit and diarrhea his body was producing in the last stages. It was all clean up, all the time.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2014, 10:38:55 AM
Did anybody watch 60 Minutes this week, where they interviewed the nursing staff that took care of the Liberian that died at Texas Presbyterian? One nurse said the most shocking thing was the sheer amount of waste in vomit and diarrhea his body was producing in the last stages. It was all clean up, all the time.
Makes sense, from the evolutionary perspective.
Saw an article posted on Flutrackers that quoted the Red Cross claiming that body collection has gone down a lot in Liberia's capital. Given the huge increase in cases reported, that can only be true if a really large percent are hiding the bodies and doing clandestine burials. That's sure to make things even worse. I really hope the Red Cross is right, but I just don't see how that can be so if that 1500 number is also correct. 70% of them is 1050, those bodies are being dealt with by somebody.
We need Obama to create a Centers for Timmay Control.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2014, 10:46:34 AM
We need Obama to create a Centers for Timmay Control.
Thanks Obongo! :rolleyes:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2014, 10:46:34 AM
We need Obama to create a Centers for Timmay Control.
Isn't that what you mods are for? :yeahright:
Waterloo has a population of 40,000 if wikipedia is accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo,_Sierra_Leone
Even if that's an underestimate, 270 dead in a two week span is a really bad sign.
http://news.sl/drwebsite/publish/article_200526490.shtml
QuoteThe Head of Ebola Burial Team in Freetown's outskirts; Western Rural, Mr. Manso S. Kargbo has said since mid September to date (October 26th), they have buried "over seven hundred bodies". The Ebola Burial head told Awareness Times that majority of the dead bodies from the Western Rural Area were collected from Waterloo Community. According to him, almost every day they discover abandoned corpses on streets in Waterloo. He disclosed that they conduct dignified burial ceremonies and sometimes with participation of family members who pray from a distance before corpses are lowered into graves. He said they now have a special cemetery where they conduct Ebola Burials but sometimes, the family members dig a grave in family plots of local cemeteries where they undertake burial process.
He informed that they also collect dead bodies from Ebola Treatment Centers and Ebola Holding Facilities in Hastings, Jui and Newton.
Also speaking to this newspaper was the Deputy Headman of the Waterloo Community Mr. Zacharia Conteh who disclosed that since the 1st October to 15th October 2014, "over 270 dead bodies have been collected from the Waterloo area and safely buried".
The Waterloo Deputy Headman went on to say Waterloo is in perpetual jeopardy as death is now very common in the Monkey Bush, Mariba, John Thorpe, Benguema axis and other communities. He however complained of inadequate treatment options for the community especially for those in the quarantined homes. Poor security was another problem he lamented over.
"Death continues because people in quarantined homes are not given much attention," he stated. This, he said, is amidst the many other challenges faced in Waterloo.
This newspaper has in investigations conducted over past fortnight, found that real reasons why the transmission of the virus continues to remain very high in the Northern Province and Western Area is just because of lack of health facilities into which Ebola suspected and confirmed cases can be swiftly taken away from their communities. As said by the Headman, Citizens in quarantined homes are amongst those finding it difficult as when they do eventually fall ill after incubation of the virus, there is usually no medical care. They go on to die in homes; continuing to spread Ebola to others in the homes.
Many observers believe that it is very wrong for anybody to heap blame on Paramount Chiefs up in the Northern Province for the spread of Ebola virus when Central Government authorities are yet to make even a single fully functional Ebola Treatment Center available for entire Northern Province.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 28, 2014, 10:49:39 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 28, 2014, 10:46:34 AM
We need Obama to create a Centers for Timmay Control.
Isn't that what you mods are for? :yeahright:
Seeds is like an emeritus mod.
The mod powers on this board are as effective as, well, the WHO.
You know I think we* can beat this:
Quote
Ebola outbreak: US hails West Africa Ebola progress
The US has praised Ebola-hit West African nations and foreign donors for their efforts in tackling the outbreak.
America's UN envoy Samantha Power, on a visit to the region, said Liberia and Sierra Leone had hugely increased the number of safe burials - one of the main ways the virus is transmitted.
Ms Power said international aid was helping to combat the disease, and urged donors to continue to help.
The disease has killed roughly 5,000 people in the region.
The US government has continued to stress that the best way to stop the virus from spreading is to tackle it at source, and has rejected calls for restrictions on travel from the region.
....
Full article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29811725 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29811725)
* by we I don't mean me, but the international health charities/workers, the donor governments, especially the USA and the hard pressed local health workers. Me I've done nothing, but now there's a Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC) appeal, i'll send some money that way, details here:
http://www.dec.org.uk/ (http://www.dec.org.uk/)
You should participate in the local Bike-a-thon. We could sponsor your miles. Ebiking for Ebola!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 09:15:19 AM
You should participate in the local Bike-a-thon. We could sponsor your miles. Ebiking for Ebola!
:hmm:
Not keen on the whole look at me charity gigs, I'd rather just give my own money and be quiet.
http://www.today.com/health/nurse-kaci-hickox-says-she-wont-obey-maines-ebola-quarantine-1D80251330
Sorry, Nurse Hickox. That means we'll need to have you put down :(
Is there no blood test they can run even if somebody hasn't developed symptoms yet? :huh:
My understanding is that it isn't present in sufficient quantities to be detected when the person is asymptomatic. That's also why there's no risk of transmission when at this stage.
Is all the world at this stage?
This poor woman. :lol:
QuoteMaine Gov. Paul LePage is seeking legal authority to enforce Ebola quarantine on nurse
Washington Post
Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) is looking for ways to force a nurse released from mandatory Ebola isolation in New Jersey to abide by a similar 21-day quarantine in Maine.
"The Office of the Governor has been working collaboratively with the State health officials within the Department of Health and Human Services to seek legal authority to enforce the quarantine," LePage's office said in a statement Wednesday. "We hoped that the health-care worker would voluntarily comply with these protocols, but this individual has stated publicly she will not abide by the protocols."
The nurse, Kaci Hickox, recently returned to the United States from Sierra Leone, where she was working on the front lines of the Ebola epidemic with Doctors Without Borders.
Last Friday, Hickox was placed in quarantine in New Jersey after returning from West Africa, despite testing negative for the virus.
By Saturday, she was battling Gov. Chris Christie (R) over the conditions and legality of the quarantine, filing a lawsuit and forcing public debate over states' treatment of health-care workers returning from West Africa.
The governor quickly backed down and released Hickox.
Now back in her home state of Maine, Hickox again finds herself at odds with state officials who expect her to remain quarantined at home for 21 days, the incubation period for Ebola.
State police vehicles were spotted stationed outside of a home where Hickcox may be staying, though her lawyers have declined to reveal her current location.
State police sent to home of Maine #Ebola nurse under forced isolation http://t.co/70ljiir1HW pic.twitter.com/GS65vQFF2G
— KGW News (@KGWNews) October 29, 2014
On Wednesday morning, Hickox told the "Today" show: "I don't plan on sticking to the guidelines. I remain appalled by these home quarantine policies that have been forced upon me, even though I am in perfectly good health and feeling strong and have been this entire time completely symptom free."
Hickox said she will remain in voluntary quarantine until Thursday, but will take legal action against the state unless something changes. "If the restrictions placed on me by the state of Maine are not lifted by Thursday morning, I will go to court to fight for my freedom," she told "Today."
Her attorney, Steven Hyman, told ABC News that Hickox "does not intend to abide by the quarantine imposed by Maine officials because she is not a risk to others. She is asymptomatic and under all the protocols cannot be deemed a medical risk of being contagious to anyone."
New York civil rights lawyer Norman Siegel, who is also representing Hickox, told the Bangor Daily News: "The conditions that the state of Maine is now requiring Kaci to comply with are unconstitutional and illegal and there is no justification for the state of Maine to infringe on her liberty."
Hickox has agreed to daily monitoring, as recommended in updated Ebola guidelines released Monday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That involves twice-daily temperature readings and daily in-person visits with a CDC official.
The new guidelines recommend "restriction of movement within the community" and avoiding public transportation for those exposed to the disease who don't show symptoms. They do not call for isolation of anyone who is symptom-free.
"She understands the nature of the disease, she treated it," Hyman told the Bangor Daily News. "She understands the nature of the risk."
At a news conference Tuesday, Maine Department of Health and Human Services Commissioner Mary Mayhew acknowledged that the state's rules go beyond the federal guidelines. She also said the state could seek a court order to enforce a quarantine.
Mayhew did not address Hickox's case specifically, saying only that officials are "evaluating appropriate steps to ensure that our protocol is complied with and if necessary, will be enforced."
Sheila Pinette, director of the Maine Center for Disease Control & Prevention, cited the Ebola cases in Texas, where two nurses got sick after treating an Ebola patient from Liberia.
"We don't know a lot about this virus but we do know from the experiences learned in Texas that they had some equivocal tests within the first 72 hours of testing their health-care workers," Pinette said.
Though Hickox tested negative, officials remain concerned.
"We believe that she may have been tested too early," Pinette said. "That is the reason why we continue to monitor this individual. So I have to say, in my own clinical opinion, to protect the health and safety of even one Mainer, it is extremely important for us to be very, very cautious."
Local officials said Tuesday that Hickox is not heading back to her home right away. Michael Sullivan, chief medical officer at the Northern Maine Medical Center, said at a news conference that Hickox has been in contact with the Maine CDC and that state health officials know where she is.
All this really tells me is, if this country is hit with a nasty HxNx hi-path air-borne influenza, it's gonna lose its ass.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
All this really tells me is, if this country is hit with a nasty HxNx hi-path air-borne influenza, it's gonna lose its ass.
Indeed. We will all starve to death* because state officials will panic and tell everyone to remain in their homes until everyone who can catch the disease is unable to do so on account of being dead.
When politics tries to dictate to science, we have a problem.
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. - R. Feynman*Except Ed; the bleak shall inherit the earth.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
This poor woman. :lol:
She is a bit of a drama queen/attention whore. Rather self-congratulatory about her white-knighting, though.
Quote from: grumbler on October 29, 2014, 07:12:28 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
All this really tells me is, if this country is hit with a nasty HxNx hi-path air-borne influenza, it's gonna lose its ass.
Indeed. We will all starve to death* because state officials will panic and tell everyone to remain in their homes until everyone who can catch the disease is unable to do so on account of being dead.
When politics tries to dictate to science, we have a problem. For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. - R. Feynman
*Except Ed; the bleak shall inherit the earth.
:)
Quote from: derspiess on October 29, 2014, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
This poor woman. :lol:
She is a bit of a drama queen/attention whore. Rather self-congratulatory about her white-knighting, though.
Maybe she's auditioning for the performance happening at the governor's grandstand?
Quote from: derspiess on October 29, 2014, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
This poor woman. :lol:
She is a bit of a drama queen/attention whore. Rather self-congratulatory about her white-knighting, though.
If she were a man, you'd be championing her dedication to freedomtude and libertyness for these obscene violations of her constitutional rights.
But she's a woman, so you're more than happy to see her confined to the home, as it should be.
She can use that time making sandwiches.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 07:57:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 29, 2014, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
This poor woman. :lol:
She is a bit of a drama queen/attention whore. Rather self-congratulatory about her white-knighting, though.
If she were a man, you'd be championing her dedication to freedomtude and libertyness for these obscene violations of her constitutional rights.
But she's a woman, so you're more than happy to see her confined to the home, as it should be.
If she was a man, he'd make fun of her being a nurse.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 07:57:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 29, 2014, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
This poor woman. :lol:
She is a bit of a drama queen/attention whore. Rather self-congratulatory about her white-knighting, though.
If she were a man, you'd be championing her dedication to freedomtude and libertyness for these obscene violations of her constitutional rights.
But she's a woman, so you're more than happy to see her confined to the home, as it should be.
I thought the point was she is a woman so she is a whore one way or another :P
Well, she's tested negative twice now, so those whore pills must be doing something right.
QuoteLiberia's Red Cross said its teams collected 117 bodies last week, down from a high of 315 in September. Treatment centres also have empty beds available for patients.
Dr Aylward said : "It appears that the trend is real in Liberia and there may indeed be a slowing."
"Do we feel confident that the response is now getting an upper hand on the virus? Yes, we are seeing a slowing rate of new cases, very definitely."
The real question is, for how long will the US be scared shitless of this?
Quote from: Liep on October 30, 2014, 02:18:19 AM
QuoteLiberia's Red Cross said its teams collected 117 bodies last week, down from a high of 315 in September. Treatment centres also have empty beds available for patients.
Dr Aylward said : "It appears that the trend is real in Liberia and there may indeed be a slowing."
"Do we feel confident that the response is now getting an upper hand on the virus? Yes, we are seeing a slowing rate of new cases, very definitely."
The real question is, for how long will the US be scared shitless of this?
Given how ebola is transmitted, wouldn't a more appropriate expression be that the US is "scared shitful"? :hmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 07:57:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 29, 2014, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 29, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
This poor woman. :lol:
She is a bit of a drama queen/attention whore. Rather self-congratulatory about her white-knighting, though.
If she were a man, you'd be championing her dedication to freedomtude and libertyness for these obscene violations of her constitutional rights.
But she's a woman, so you're more than happy to see her confined to the home, as it should be.
He and Monkeybutt aren't concerned about the home as such. It's the kitchen and the bedroom, specifically.
And how clean the crapper is.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 29, 2014, 11:35:43 PM
If she was a man, he'd make fun of her being a nurse.
:lol:
QuoteEbola nurse Kaci Hickox: 'Flaming' liberals love her. 'Bully' conservatives hate her.
Morning Mix
WashingtonPost.com
Not since "Hawkeye" Pierce and Frank Burns jousted over "Hot Lips" Houlihan in "M*A*S*H*" have liberals and conservatives fought so heatedly over a nurse.
When Kaci Hickox, RN — fresh from fighting Ebola in Sierra Leone — spoke out against a mandatory quarantine in New Jersey, Gov. Chris Christie was the first Republican into the breach. While refraining from attacking Hickox personally, Christie took up an unusual rallying cry for a member of the party of Reagan: the need for big government to contain a crisis.
"The government's job is to protect [the] safety and health of our citizens," Christie said on "Fox News Sunday." "And so we've taken this action, and I absolutely have no second thoughts about it."
Christie had second thoughts on Monday, when he freed Hickox from quarantine after taking heat from, among others, President Obama. By then, Hickox was well on her way to becoming the left's poster child — though those of that political persuasion do not typically object when government intervenes in the name of public health.
"When Kaci Hickox stood up to Governor Chris Christie for quarantining her against her will and claiming she was 'obviously ill' when she wasn't, she did more than bring a little sanity to our Ebola-panic politics," the Nation wrote. "She also struck a blow for all the teachers, nurses, public employees, minimum-wagers and workers of all kinds that Christie has bullied, belittled and silenced over the years."
When back at home in Maine, Hickox — now unwittingly a stand-in for the entire labor movement — defied another mandatory quarantine from another Republican governor, the partisan divide over her irresponsibility or moxie only deepened. To the right, she was a do-gooder who fell from grace, trading praiseworthy humanitarian work for obnoxious grandstanding as she and her boyfriend set off on a defiant bicycle ride with a scrum of TV camera crews in tow. To the left, she was a hero standing up to "bully governors."
"There is something uniquely jarring about a display of selfish insolence from someone who is so praiseworthy in other respects," Townhall wrote in a piece called "Kaci Hickox, Self-Absorbed Hero." "Maddening traits usually come from maddening people, as their true character surfaces."
This contrasted with Salon's take: "America's new Ebola hero: Defying hysteria, Kaci Hickox bravely goes for bike ride."
The fact Hickox is a registered Democrat only further inflamed the Rush Limbaugh crowd in their atypical demand an individual bow to the will of the state:
CALLER: I think she's a flaming liberal. The rules don't apply to me. The rules apply to everyone else.
RUSH: Well, that could be partly true. And she didn't find any lawyer. She went and found Norm Siegel of the ACLLU.
CALLER: Exactly.
RUSH: The American Civil "Liberal" Liberties Union. But there's even more of an answer to this I think. Is this not a little bit sanctimonious? I mean, here you volunteer and you let everybody know, by the way. ... "I am a good person. I have volunteered to go to Africa, and I am helping Ebola patients. Look at me. See me? I am a good person." You come back, "I have just returned from Africa helping Ebola patients, and you are not going to quarantine me so that I can't be noticed."
CALLER: Absolutely ridiculous.
To make matters worse, the Daily Caller revealed that her lawyer once attended a dinner at the Obama White House.
Meanwhile, over at MSNBC, Rachel Maddow was worried. In a segment called "Uncowed Kaci Hickox supported by state health leaders," Maddow said Maine wanted to "force her into basically house arrest — involuntary strict quarantine even though she does not have Ebola."
The culprit infringing upon Hickox's individual rights as Ayn Rand might have imagined them? According to Maddow: "Maine's bombastic walking carnival of a governor, tea party republican Paul LePage," who "has basically now threatened that that nurse may not be safe in Maine."
The Daily Kos agreed.
"Hickox is smart, well-spoken, and determined to teach politicians a direct lesson about science and about public health," Joan McCarter wrote. "She's a strong voice of reason in the midst of Republican-induced Ebola panic, and has already made a fool of Christie. LePage should think twice before taking her on."
Icepick her bike tires.
This woman, and other health care workers returning from treating Ebola patients should put themselves on a real 21 day quarantine. I would think as health care profs they'd do so. The US military is quarantining service members who come back, and probably even those who were not involved in treating patients. It's not a big deal, just a precaution. Like that doctor who was self quarantined but wandering around NYC and he came down with Ebola, so I figure that Cuomo and Christie tried to take some pre-emptive measures for future returnees.
Eh, she's not exposing anyone to her fluids by taking a bike ride.
Wow, so much over reacting.
Two more suspected cases in Mali and 57 untraced contacts. :(
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/31/who-says-two-suspected-ebola-cases-in-mali-57-contacts-sought/
Oh my God... :weep:
http://news.yahoo.com/leone-ebola-outbreak-catastrophic-aid-group-msf-223833151.html
QuoteS.Leone Ebola outbreak 'catastrophic': aid group MSF
Barcelona (AFP) - Ebola has wiped out whole villages in Sierra Leone and may have caused many more deaths than the nearly 5,000 official global toll, a senior coordinator of the medical aid group MSF said Friday.
Rony Zachariah of Doctors Without Borders, known by its French initials MSF, said after visiting Sierra Leone that the Ebola figures were "under-reported", in an interview with AFP on the sidelines of a medical conference in Barcelona.
"The situation is catastrophic. There are several villages and communities that have been basically wiped out. In one of the villages I went to, there were 40 inhabitants and 39 died," he said.
The World Health Organization (WHO) published revised figures on Friday showing 4,951 people have died of Ebola and there was a total of 13,567 reported cases.
"The WHO says there is a correction factor of 2.5, so maybe it is 2.5 times higher and maybe that is not far from the truth. It could be 10,000, 15,000 or 20,000," said Zachariah.
He stressed that "whole communities have disappeared but many of them are not in the statistics. The situation on the ground is actually much worse."
He added that in some places the local healthcare systems were overwhelmed.
"You have one nurse for 10,000 people and then you lose 10, 11, 12 nurses. How is the health system going to work?"
After isolated cases in Europe, "we might get a vaccine and a treatment... but even now we need to go much faster because the clock is ticking," he said. "We want action now."
Get over there & help out, Tim.
Who else is going to keep us informed Spicey?
We got a company memo this morning confirming that if we get quarantined for Ebola we will be paid for the duration. LIBERIA HERE I COME
Quote from: derspiess on November 01, 2014, 12:30:06 PM
Get over there & help out, Tim.
I was thinking I hope the US and British service personnel over there get some form of citation or official service acknowledgement once the emergency is over. As it's a bit more than a typical disaster relief job, more akin to a peacekeeping mission given the dangers they face.
No update in almost a week from TimNN. Is this over now?
Quote from: Syt on November 10, 2014, 12:11:46 AM
No update in almost a week from TimNN. Is this over now?
Not much new news that I've seen recently. Thing remain the same as they were last week as far as I know, a worsening situation in Sierra Leone, an improving one in Liberia, and a "stable" situation in Guinea.
60 Minutes had another good piece on it tonight, the medical personnel on the ground in Liberia. What a mess.
I heard Morocco is refusing to host an African soccer tournament because of ebola fears. They are going to try and pawn the tourney off on some other sucker of a country, or just cancel it.
EDIT: Found something:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/morocco-demands-one-delay-nations-cup-200621681--sow.html
QuoteMorocco demands one year delay of Nations Cup
Rabat (AFP) - Hosts Morocco on Saturday demanded that the Africa Cup of Nations be postponed for a year because of the widening Ebola epidemic.
But a government statement did not answer a Confederation of African Football (CAF) ultimatum calling on Morocco to publicly state whether it would host the tournament from January 17 to February 8.
The statement released by the Ministry of Sports said the country was faced with "a strictly health linked case of force majeure" in making its call for a postponement "from 2015 to 2016".
The call was made after "deep reflection," the government added.
Morocco had already called on CAF to push back the tournament to June next year or 2016 but African football bosses had refused to change the dates.
The continental ruling body had given Morocco until Saturday to give a firm response on whether it would stage the event.
The new response from Rabat means it is now up to the CAF, which is to meet on Tuesday at its Cairo headquarters, to move the event or cancel it.
The deadly Ebola virus has killed at least 4,960 people, mainly in the West African countries of Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea. Morocco fears that an influx of foreign fans could help spread the epidemic.
CAF has said the fears are exaggerated and that only a limited number of foreign fans will go there.
The confederation has reportedly approached seven countries about standing in as emergency hosts.
Algeria, Egypt, South Africa and Sudan declined, Ghana and Nigeria have not publicly responded. The identity of the seventh country is unknown.
Morocco said it was "ready to hold the CAN on a sporting, organisational and logistical level."
The North African kingdom said its call for a postponement was "dictated by health reasons of the most dangerous kind, linked to the serious risk of the spread of the deadly Ebola pandemic."
It insisted that its demand for a delay should be "perfectly acceptable."
The Ebola epidemic first hit the Cup of Nations in August when Seychelles forfeited a qualifying tie rather than host a return match against Sierra Leone.
As the death toll mounted, CAF barred Sierra Leone and Guinea from hosting their qualifying group games.
Morocco agreed to let Guinea play games there, but Sierra Leone could not secure a neutral venue and have had to play home fixtures at opponents Democratic Republic of Congo and Cameroon.
Deprived of home support, Guinea and Sierra Leone are bottom of four-team groups with two rounds left.
Should Sierra Leone lose in Ivory Coast on November 14 and Guinea in Togo a day later, both will be eliminated from the qualifying race.
2nd death in Mali
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30015329 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30015329)
Cases continue to rise sharply in Sierra Leone :(
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/10/ebola-cases-sierra-leone-sharp-rise (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/10/ebola-cases-sierra-leone-sharp-rise)
A town in Liberia has lost 10% of its population since September
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/10/liberia-ebola-outbreak_n_6132228.html
One in seven women giving birth may die from complications in the next year due to the collapse of the health care system. 120,000! :o :(
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/10/ebola-one-in-seven-pregnant-women-could-die
Quote from: derspiess on November 04, 2014, 11:53:46 AM
We got a company memo this morning confirming that if we get quarantined for Ebola we will be paid for the duration. LIBERIA HERE I COME
A bunch of useless middle management types at my company keep scheduling 'Pandemic Response' meetings. Ridiculous.
I miss those meetings, a chance to watch management panic and come up with harebrained ideas for what Security should do, nod in agreement and then go do what we were going to do anyway.
Quote from: Caliga on November 12, 2014, 08:14:13 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 04, 2014, 11:53:46 AM
We got a company memo this morning confirming that if we get quarantined for Ebola we will be paid for the duration. LIBERIA HERE I COME
A bunch of useless middle management types at my company keep scheduling 'Pandemic Response' meetings. Ridiculous.
Don't you actually work in Health Care?
Quote from: Caliga on November 12, 2014, 08:14:13 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 04, 2014, 11:53:46 AM
We got a company memo this morning confirming that if we get quarantined for Ebola we will be paid for the duration. LIBERIA HERE I COME
A bunch of useless middle management types at my company keep scheduling 'Pandemic Response' meetings. Ridiculous.
When I worked for <Redacted> Inc., when the swine flu thing hit, we got a truck of supplies to keep the building up and operating in case of a pandemic.
A truck full of gloves, hand sanitizer and some food and water in case employees were stuck in the building. Like we would be able to keep them in there if the shit hit the fan. :rolleyes:
I WOULDN'T STAY EITHER
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 12, 2014, 08:52:15 AM
I miss those meetings, a chance to watch management panic and come up with harebrained ideas for what Security should do, nod in agreement and then go do what we were going to do anyway.
It's like you work at my company or something!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2014, 08:55:36 AM
Don't you actually work in Health Care?
Sort of, but not really. A more accurate description of my company's sector would be real estate.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 12, 2014, 06:37:17 PM
When I worked for <Redacted> Inc., when the swine flu thing hit, we got a truck of supplies to keep the building up and operating in case of a pandemic.
A truck full of gloves, hand sanitizer and some food and water in case employees were stuck in the building. Like we would be able to keep them in there if the shit hit the fan. :rolleyes:
I WOULDN'T STAY EITHER
Swine flu :lol:
My fondest memory of the swine flu 'epidemic' was a swine-flu themed porno I was with a hot redhead.
Quote from: Caliga on November 12, 2014, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 12, 2014, 06:37:17 PM
When I worked for <Redacted> Inc., when the swine flu thing hit, we got a truck of supplies to keep the building up and operating in case of a pandemic.
A truck full of gloves, hand sanitizer and some food and water in case employees were stuck in the building. Like we would be able to keep them in there if the shit hit the fan. :rolleyes:
I WOULDN'T STAY EITHER
Swine flu :lol:
My fondest memory of the swine flu 'epidemic' was a swine-flu themed porno I was with a hot redhead.
:o
On topic, a Grand Imam died of Ebola in Mali and received a traditional burial before it was realized what he died of. This could be the start of a major outbreak there.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/11/12/363515587/mali-quarantines-nearly-100-to-try-to-stop-ebola
Maybe it's time for humanity to switch to cremation as the default. :hmm:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2014, 10:38:14 PM
On topic, a Grand Imam died of Ebola in Mali and received a traditional burial before it was realized what he died of. This could be the start of a major outbreak there.
It is the will of Allah.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 12, 2014, 11:40:36 PM
Maybe it's time for humanity to switch to cremation as the default. :hmm:
Cremation is the default option in HK.
Cremation has become the default around here. Caskets are too expensive.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 12, 2014, 11:40:36 PM
Maybe it's time for humanity to switch to cremation as the default. :hmm:
Over my dead body.
Burials are vital to reasonably preserve remains, especially bones, and those actually give tons of useful info about people of a certain time period - diets, bodyweight, average age at time of death, tooth problems, common diseases... the works.
Losing the ability to study past skeletons would be a major loss for future achaeologists. And even if we now have records of what we do, there is a good chance most will be lost sometime in the future (some millennia from now or so) and also that future researchers could be looking for something in our bones that we now don't even know of its existance.
So I am totally opposed to cremation, on scientific grounds.
Quote from: Martim Silva on November 13, 2014, 08:51:42 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 12, 2014, 11:40:36 PM
Maybe it's time for humanity to switch to cremation as the default. :hmm:
Over my dead body.
That's the general idea, yes.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 12, 2014, 11:40:36 PM
Maybe it's time for humanity to switch to cremation as the default. :hmm:
Only if it involves a viking ship floating out to sea.
Or like King Arthur...floating out to sea with three hotties.
I will be buried with my coffee cans full of silver coins.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2014, 05:58:44 PM
I will be buried with my coffee cans full of silver coins.
Quarters are not actually silver, you know.
Quote from: Jacob on November 13, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2014, 05:58:44 PM
I will be buried with my coffee cans full of silver coins.
Quarters are not actually silver, you know.
Then they won't kill him when melted down into bullets, and no burial will be necessary.
Quote from: Jacob on November 13, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2014, 05:58:44 PM
I will be buried with my coffee cans full of silver coins.
Quarters are not actually silver, you know.
REALLY?!?
That's sarcasm by the way.
Ed's already cornered the nickel market. That's the denomination he's always paid his clients in, anyway.
You wound me sir.
Have you misplaced your "million cascading rolly eyes" gif Boner?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2014, 08:12:23 PM
Have you misplaced your "million cascading rolly eyes" gif Boner?
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huzzah!
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 12, 2014, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 12, 2014, 08:06:46 PM
My fondest memory of the swine flu 'epidemic' was a swine-flu themed porno I was with a hot redhead.
:o
Whoops! :lol:
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 01, 2014, 07:59:24 AM
"The situation is catastrophic. There are several villages and communities that have been basically wiped out. In one of the villages I went to, there were 40 inhabitants and 39 died," he said.
The one who survived should be studied pronto. :ph34r:
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Germans. :rolleyes:
Good to see more international resources are getting to the region now.
I'm assuming, because Timmay isn't doom-spamming the thread, that the situation is improving somewhat.
Well this story dropping out of the news seems to be good news. :fingers cross:
What do you think Tim?
Some more good news about Ebola, because Tim isn't here to post it:
Quote
Ebola crisis: New cases declining in West Africa
New Ebola cases in the three West African countries worst affected by the deadly outbreak of the virus are declining, weekly UN figures show.
Sierra Leone and Guinea both recorded the lowest weekly total of confirmed Ebola cases since August.
Liberia, which reported no new cases on two days last week, had its lowest weekly total since June.
The death toll from the world's worst Ebola outbreak has reached 8,429 with 21,296 cases so far.
According to the latest World Health Organization (WHO) report, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone now all have sufficient capacity to bury all the people known to have died from Ebola.
But it said under-reporting of deaths meant that not all burials were being done safely.
Schools to open
While cases were decreasing in Sierra Leone, it remained the worst-affected country, with western areas still reporting the most new transmissions, the WHO said.
Last week, there were 59 new reported cases in the capital, Freetown.
The spirit of Freetown seems to be back with residents in the capital celebrating, albeit quietly, the low Ebola infection figures. For over a week the reported daily infections have been in single figures and on Tuesday there were only two deaths.
Like Premier League football fans, people converge at internet cafes and street corners to follow the daily updates. The usually grim faces are now grinning. The ubiquitous blaring of ambulance sirens has also reduced considerably. In fact, the national daily infection rate is around 20 - in November it was 60.
"Ebola is in trouble," says Ahmed Turay, a teenager who has not been to classes since July. "I look forward to returning to school," he says, smiling broadly.
The eastern district of Kailahun, which first recorded Ebola eight months ago, has had no cases for 35 days and the other former hotspot of Kenema has had only four cases since November. But the authorities are warning all to exercise caution, insisting Ebola is still here.
....
Full article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30830129 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30830129)
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2014, 09:31:37 PM
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That pic says so many things about
that man.
Quote from: 11B4V on January 15, 2015, 09:06:47 PM
That pic says so many things about that man.
You just can't let the hate go, even for a moment, can you?
It's a very good sign Mongers, but we got to see how the spring goes before declaring victory.
Yes. Yes, we do. Before victory is declared. By us.
I want to watch Police Squad.
I think Timmy used "we" like he does in sports. Not part of the team, but rooting for them and therefore appropriating participation.
Quote from: Syt on January 16, 2015, 01:59:10 AM
I think Timmy used "we" like he does in sports. Not part of the team, but rooting for them and therefore appropriating participation.
I think CdM is aware of this. That does not make Tim less of a retard. :P
I think he used "we" as part of the species engaged in a genocidal death struggle with the ebola virus.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 16, 2015, 12:12:05 AM
It's a very good sign Mongers, but we got to see how the spring goes before declaring victory.
I just read an article about how the communities hit by ebola are now so devastated that even if the remaining survived it can hardly be declared a victory. Loss of family members, unemployment due to everything closing down, rampant alcohol abuse, schools shut, etc.
Collective PTSD.
Quote from: Syt on January 16, 2015, 01:59:10 AM
I think Timmy used "we" like he does in sports. Not part of the team, but rooting for them and therefore appropriating participation.
$50is enough to say I am on the team.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 16, 2015, 03:40:03 AM
Quote from: Syt on January 16, 2015, 01:59:10 AM
I think Timmy used "we" like he does in sports. Not part of the team, but rooting for them and therefore appropriating participation.
$50is enough to say I am on the team.
$100 was enough to have you cut. :console:
Quote from: Syt on January 16, 2015, 01:59:10 AM
I think Timmy used "we" like he does in sports. Not part of the team, but rooting for them and therefore appropriating participation.
I'm confident that Timmay and the New England Patriots will defeat Ebola.
Tom Brady will just fake out the virus by declaring all potential infectees ineligible a second before infection.
Round 2?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31429433 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31429433)
QuoteNew Ebola cases show rise for second week in row
The number of new cases of Ebola has risen in all of West Africa's worst-hit countries for the second week in a row, the World Health Organization (WHO) says.
This is the second weekly increase in confirmed cases in 2015, ending a series of encouraging declines.
The WHO said on Wednesday that Sierra Leone had registered 76 of the 144 new cases, Guinea 65 and Liberia three.
More than 9,000 people have died from Ebola since December 2013.
The WHO said that the increase highlights the "considerable challenges" that must still be overcome to end the outbreak.
"Despite improvements in case finding and management, burial practices, and community engagement, the decline in case incidence has stalled," the UN health agency said in a statement.
In another development, US President Barack Obama has said he will withdraw nearly all US troops helping to combat the disease in Liberia.
President Barack Obama speaks about the Ebola outbreak response by the U.S. in West Africa, 11 February 2015
Mr Obama said that the outbreak had been a "wake-up call"
Only 100 of the 2,800 troops would remain in West Africa at the end of April, according to the Associated Press news agency,
Mr Obama said on Wednesday that the withdrawal marked a transition in the fight against the disease in Liberia but did not mean that the mission was over.
"Our focus now is getting to zero," he said.
Unsafe burials
At least 22,800 cases of Ebola have been recorded since the outbreak began, mainly in three countries in West Africa.
In Guinea, efforts to end the outbreak are being hampered by a mistrust of aid workers, particularly in the capital city.
"The main threat to achieving our goal of zero cases in 60 days is this resistance in Conakry," said Dr Sakoba Keita, Guinea's national Ebola response co-ordinator.
Unsafe burial practices continue to be a problem in Sierra Leone. More than 40 unsafe burials were recorded in one week, according to the WHO.
Mourners can catch the disease by touching the highly-contagious bodies of the dead.
Apparently you can relapse 10 months after seeming to be cured! :o
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/world/europe/scottish-nurse-who-had-ebola-is-back-in-hospital-and-critically-ill.html?_r=1
QuoteEbola Survivor From Scotland Is Critically Ill
By SHERI FINKOCT. 14, 2015
The case adds yet another terrifying layer to the Ebola outbreak: A Scottish nurse who recovered from Ebola 10 months ago has been rehospitalized and is now critically ill, the Royal Free Hospital in London reported Wednesday.
Scientists have long known that the Ebola virus can persist for months in certain tissues of the body that are relatively protected from the immune system, including the eyes and the testes.
A report published Wednesday in The New England Journal of Medicine, for instance, found traces of Ebola in some men's semen up to nine months after they fell ill. Another report in the same journal presented additional evidence that an Ebola survivor in Liberia had transmitted the disease to a sexual partner roughly six months after having developed symptoms.
Yet the case of the nurse, Pauline Cafferkey, points to how much is still unknown about the virus and its long-term effects.
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Doctors are grappling with why Ms. Cafferkey's current illness happened so many months after her initial infection in Sierra Leone, where she had gone as a volunteer, and why similar cases have not been well documented in the three West African countries that are now home to thousands of survivors.
"It's an emerging story, emerging science," said Dr. Daniel Bausch, a technical consultant on Ebola with the World Health Organization.
Speculation has focused on the potential role of Ms. Cafferkey's severe initial illness, and even on the experimental treatments she and the few other patients treated in Western hospitals received.
At the same time, the case adds to concerns about the ramifications of the continuing outbreak in West Africa. Two new cases in the past two days in Guinea have dashed hopes that the outbreak, which has killed more than 11,000 people, was finally ending.
"It's reminded people that the consequences go on so much longer for survivors," said Dr. Bruce Aylward, who heads the World Health Organization's Ebola effort. "It's really spurred concern we make sure the needs of these people aren't lost."
The Royal Free Hospital, which last Friday referred to Ms. Cafferkey's illness in a news release as "an unusual late complication of her previous infection," said Wednesday that she was being treated for Ebola. The virus, several experts said, managed to somehow persist and apparently re-emerged to cause a severe disorder of her central nervous system. Dr. Aylward said her spinal fluid had tested positive for traces of Ebola.
"This isn't a recurrence of Ebola hemorrhagic fever; this is clearly a meningitis-like syndrome, a neurological syndrome, which is a result of the lingering of Ebola virus," said Stuart T. Nichol, chief of the viral special pathogens branch at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. He stressed that the complication appeared to be extremely rare.
"We'd think the likelihood of these types of events is probably higher with cases where patients are very severely, critically ill," Dr. Nichol said. He theorized that very high concentrations of virus in the blood could seed areas of the body that are harder for the immune system to reach.
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Ms. Cafferkey had seemed healthy until very recently and went to a clinic at a hospital after complaining of feeling sick, according to British media reports. The clinic sent her home, the reports said.
Clinicians following patients in West Africa have documented a range of more common complications in survivors. "Body aches, joint pains, eye problems, and ear problems," said Audrey Rangel, field coordinator for the International Medical Corps in Kambia, Sierra Leone, which helps run a clinic for Ebola survivors.
Col. Foday Sahr, commanding officer of the joint medical unit in Sierra Leone, said that of 290 registered Ebola survivors being followed weekly at a military hospital in Freetown, one or two exhibited neurological symptoms including weakness on one side of the body, but that no delayed cases of encephalitis or meningitis had been documented.
Still, it is possible that doctors have not found more of these cases in the past because they have not been looking for them. "That's not how we thought the disease worked," Dr. Bausch said.
Dennis Khakie, 42, died suddenly in September nearly a year after having recovered from Ebola at a treatment unit run by the International Medical Corps in Liberia. "He just started convulsing," said Sam Siakor, Mr. Khakie's nephew and a former nurse aide at the unit.
While stories of patients like this occasionally emerge, Dr. Bausch said, "trying to figure out what they died of and whether it's really related to Ebola is difficult."
A child who had recovered from Ebola and was discharged from a Doctors Without Borders treatment center in Liberia last year soon developed a fever, "tested positive again, and had an encephalopathy," a brain disorder, said Dr. Armand Sprecher, an Ebola expert with the charity.
Perhaps the most relevant case is that of Dr. Ian Crozier, who contracted Ebola in Sierra Leone and, less than two months after recovering, developed a severe inflammatory condition deep inside his left eye, which was harboring the Ebola virus.
While virus was not found in Dr. Crozier's blood or cerebrospinal fluid, a scan of his brain indicated that he had suffered from encephalitis, Dr. Bausch said. In West Africa, patients as ill as Dr. Crozier or Ms. Cafferkey might not have survived "to experience these later manifestations," he surmised.
One possibility is that late complications could be an unanticipated consequence of experimental treatments that include antibodies, like ZMapp, that help remove the virus from the patient's blood, but are not thought to be capable of crossing from the bloodstream into the brain.
By decreasing the amount of virus in the blood, "you perhaps blunt the immune system," Dr. Bausch said. "It's all speculation, but it's scientifically sound speculation."
When patients with a different hemorrhagic fever caused by the Junin virus were treated with blood plasma containing antibodies from survivors, around 10 percent of them later developed neurological complications that were in rare cases severe, researchers reported in the 1970s. In a study of antibody treatments for Rift Valley Fever, some patients also developed brain disease, Dr. Nichol said. However the timeline was within days or weeks of the initial infection, not months.
While Ms. Cafferkey's contacts are being monitored in Britain, experts said that the type of illness she developed was unlikely to pose a threat to others. "The huge concern everyone has is that this does not result in a new wave of stigmatization of survivors, because of course it's a very, very different risk, a personal risk," Dr. Aylward said.
Hope that vaccine works or we could see a repeat of 2014.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/africa/urban-ebola-case-is-a-game-changer-in-congo-outbreak-20180518-p4zg0q.html
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Urban Ebola case is a 'game changer' in Congo outbreak
Nairobi: Congo has confirmed a case of Ebola in Mbandaka, a city of 1.2 million, marking the first urban case in the latest outbreak of the disease. The World Health Organisation's lead response official called Thursday's new confirmed case "a game changer."
Congo receives first doses of Ebola vaccine amid outbreak
The first batch of 4,000 experimental Ebola vaccines arrived in the Democratic Republic of Congo's capital Kinshasa, to combat an outbreak suspected of killing 23 people.
Ebola is much harder to contain in urban areas, so this development compounds the risk of contagion and elevates the outbreak to the most serious since an Ebola epidemic that raged across West Africa between 2014 and 2016.
A health worker wears protective clothing outside an isolation ward to diagnose and treat suspected Ebola patients, at Bikoro Hospital in Bikoro, the rural area where the Ebola outbreak was announced last week, in Congo.
Previously, confirmed cases had been limited to an extremely remote area more than 160 km south of Mbandaka, in the rain forest of Congo's Équateur province.
The case in Mbandaka is only the third confirmed case of the current outbreak; 20 others are probable, and 21 are suspected, bringing the total of potential cases to 44. The death toll is now 23.
"This is a major development in the outbreak," said Peter Salama, the WHO's deputy director general of emergency preparedness and response. "We have urban Ebola, which is a very different animal from rural Ebola. The potential for an explosive increase in cases is now there."
The port city of Mbandaka lies on the eastern bank of the Congo River, Africa's second longest after the Nile. Tens of millions of people live along the river, and the capitals of Congo, the Central African Republic and Congo Republic lie along it and its tributaries.
Ebola is notoriously hard to contain, though recent outbreaks in Congo have been managed swiftly by the World Health Organisation and Congolese health officials, gaining the government there a reputation as one of the continent's most prepared.
Health workers don protective clothing as they prepare to attend to patients in the isolation ward to diagnose and treat suspected Ebola patients, at Bikoro Hospital in Bikoro.
Ebola is endemic in Congo, and this is the ninth outbreak of the disease there since the 1970s. Last May, a small outbreak resulted in five confirmed cases and four deaths in a province neighbouring Équateur.
The outbreak in West Africa that started in 2014 reached epidemic proportions and was the worst ever recorded, infecting more than 28,000 and killing more than 11,000. A concurrent but much smaller and unrelated Ebola outbreak took place in Congo in 2014 as well. The WHO was accused of responding slowly in 2014, and the organization has taken pains to ensure it is both acting more quickly and being seen as doing so this time around
The organisation's head, Tedros Ghebreyesus, visited the affected area himself earlier this week.
The disease causes internal bleeding and spreads rapidly through contact with small amounts of bodily fluid. Its early symptoms are not obvious, and the worst effects may take weeks to show. It is often transmitted to humans through the consumption of contaminated meat, but it can also be acquired through any kind of close contact with an infected animal.
The international response to the current Congo outbreak has been substantial and is expected to grow in size and urgency after the announcement of a confirmed urban case.
On Wednesday, the WHO delivered 4000 injections of an experimental vaccine with proven efficacy in recent trials, and more batches are expected soon.
The WHO said it is also deploying 30 "experts" to Mbandaka to "conduct surveillance in the city and is working with the Ministry of Health and partners to engage with communities on prevention and treatment and the reporting of new cases."
Persistent rain and lack of roads has hampered the effort to contain the outbreak so far. Before Thursday, cases had been confirmed only in Bikoro, a small town whose health clinic has "limited functionality," according to the WHO.
Helicopter and motorcycle are the only ways to reach Bikoro from Mbandaka, but an airstrip has been rapidly cleared for small planes to land with supplies.
Part of the difficulty in deploying the vaccine is that it must be transported and stored at between minus-51 and minus-62 degrees celsius, which requires powerful refrigerators.
The vaccine, produced by the pharmaceutical giant Merck, is not yet licensed, although the WHO has cleared it for "compassionate use." Its deployment is being financed by Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, which is Geneva-based.
"The remote location of the outbreak hampers both the information about the outbreak and interventions to control it," said Cyrus Shahpar, director of epidemic prevention at Resolve to Save Lives, a New York-based organisation. "This is evidenced by the fact that the current outbreak probably started in early April, but it was not officially declared until May 8."
The International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) said the first suspected victim was a police officer who died in a health centre in the village of Ikoki-Impenge, near Bikoro. After his funeral, 11 family members got sick, and seven died. All seven had attended the funeral or cared for the man while he was sick.
More than 110 Red Cross volunteers in Bikoro and Mbandaka are working to alert surrounding communities and disinfect houses where cases have been suspected. An IFRC spokeswoman said the organisation is "kick-starting its response" using stocks of medicine, disinfectant and informational posters left over from last year's outbreak.
A total of 514 people who may have been in contact with infected people have been notified by national health authorities and are being monitored in Mbandaka and Bikoro.
Several tons of supplies are en route to the region, according to a statement from Médecins Sans Frontières, including "protection and disinfection kits containing isolation items such as protective clothing, gloves and boots; logistical and hygiene kits containing items such as plastic sheets, chlorine spray kits and water treatment kits; and palliative drugs to treat Ebola symptoms, such as strong painkillers, anti-anxiety drugs and antibiotics."
With the confirmed arrival of the outbreak in a major city, the number of people who are likely to have interacted with infected individuals increases exponentially. Mbandaka's dense population and the fact that it is a bustling port both heighten the risk of rapid spread.
Washington Post
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 18, 2018, 09:28:08 PM
Hope that vaccine works or we could see a repeat of 2014.
Moron alarmists predicting enormous death tolls from ebola? :bleeding:
Quote from: alfred russel on May 19, 2018, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 18, 2018, 09:28:08 PM
Hope that vaccine works or we could see a repeat of 2014.
Moron alarmists predicting enormous death tolls from ebola? :bleeding:
Quoteinfecting more than 28,000, and killing more than 11,000
Quote from: Eddie Teach on May 19, 2018, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 19, 2018, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 18, 2018, 09:28:08 PM
Hope that vaccine works or we could see a repeat of 2014.
Moron alarmists predicting enormous death tolls from ebola? :bleeding:
Quoteinfecting more than 28,000, and killing more than 11,000
Perhaps you forget the predictions of impending doom from Tim several years ago. He was predicting an enormity on a much larger scale.
That current epidemic has spread to a city of a million people, however the vaccine is working for now.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/2nd-deadliest-ebola-outbreak-history-spreads-major-city/story?id=59677369
Not good. :(
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/violence-propels-ebola-outbreak-toward-1-000-cases/?utm_medium=social&utm_content=organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=SciAm_&sf209183444=1
QuoteMore than 900 people have been sickened by the Ebola virus since it began spreading in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) in early August. The outbreak, now the second-largest ever recorded, shows no sign of slowing—fuelled, aid workers and government officials say, by a toxic cocktail of violence and mistrust.
Conflict in the northeastern DRC, the centre of the Ebola outbreak, has surged in recent months. Political protesters robbed and burned an Ebola-treatment facility in Beni in late December, after the DRC government blocked more than one million people in areas stricken by Ebola from voting in the country's presidential election. And last month, armed assailants torched treatment centres in Butembo and Katwa. Front-line Ebola responders in those cities—who disseminate health messages, track down potential cases and bury the dead—face threats and assaults nearly every day.
The constant violence has hampered efforts to contain the virus. "There's so many armed groups in this place that you don't know where the next problem will happen," says one front-line responder, who asked for anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the press. "We are thrown into the fire."
Just as worrisome, epidemiologists say, are recent data from the World Health Organization (WHO) that suggest the virus is spreading undetected. During the last three weeks of February, 43% of the people who died from Ebola in Katwa and Butembo were found dead in their communities—not isolated in hospitals in the late stages of the illness, when the disease is most infectious. And three-quarters of those diagnosed with Ebola had not previously been identified as contacts of people who had contracted the virus.
Taken together, the statistics suggest that the virus is spreading outside known chains of transmission, making it harder to contain and driving up the mortality rate compared to previous outbreaks. The current death rate of about 60% is higher than it was during the much larger 2014–16 Ebola crisis in West Africa, despite improvements since then in how people with Ebola are cared for, including the introduction of several experimental drugs.
"We can have the best treatments in the world, but it won't decrease mortality if patients don't come in or come in too late," says Chiara Montaldo, medical coordinator for aid group Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF, also known as Doctors Without Borders) in the DRC's North Kivu province.
UNCHARTED TERRITORY
This Ebola outbreak is the tenth in the DRC since the virus was discovered there in 1976. It is by far the largest and longest ever to strike the country, with an estimated 907 cases and 569 deaths, as of 5 March (see 'Advancing outbreak'). Unlike earlier epidemics, this one began in war-torn northeastern DRC, where waves of conflict have killed up to six million people since 1997.
The region is home to dozens of armed groups, and is also a stronghold for opponents of the DRC's ruling political party. Many residents are suspicious of the effort to stamp out the Ebola outbreak, because they see it as intertwined with the government's treatment of its political foes. The decision last year by former president Joseph Kabila to block people in the cities of Beni, Butembo and Yumbi from voting—to prevent Ebola's spread—exacerbated those suspicions.
A sustained response from the DRC Ministry of Health, the WHO and MSF, among other groups, has curtailed the outbreak in the communities where the virus first emerged, such as Mabalako, Komanda and Beni. But as people move, so does Ebola. The virus has spread into new areas, including Butembo and Katwa.
Credit: Nature, March 8 2019; Source: World Health Organization
Ongoing violence prompted MSF to suspend its activities in the two cities on 28 February. Leading public-health agencies outside the DRC, such as the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, have deemed North Kivu province—where Butembo and Katwa are located—too risky to enter. Instead, epidemiologists from the United States and other Western countries are monitoring the situation from afar.
The WHO has kept its staff in place, but is considering whether to use United Nations peacekeeping troops to help secure the clinics and compounds where its employees work. "We are worried for our people," says Ibrahima Socé-Fall, the WHO's assistant director-general for emergency response, who is based in Brazzaville in the Republic of the Congo, just across a river from the DRC. In the meantime, the WHO has stepped up discussions with community leaders and is preparing residents to help carry out the Ebola response. "We want to reduce the dependency on international partners," Socé-Fall says.
To help halt Ebola's spread, some health-policy analysts want the WHO to designate the DRC outbreak a public-health emergency of international concern. That could increase international cooperation and mobilize aid, as it did when the WHO declared a public emergency seven months into the West African Ebola epidemic of 2014-16.
The WHO estimates the cost of stamping out the current Ebola outbreak in the DRC at US$148 million. As of 26 February, WHO member countries had committed less than $10 million, according to the agency's director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.
"If this isn't a global health emergency, what is?" says Lawrence Gostin, a health-law and policy specialist at Georgetown University in Washington DC. The ongoing conflict in the northeastern DRC makes the outbreak extraordinary, he says, and the thousands of people regularly passing from the northeastern DRC into South Sudan, Uganda and Rwanda increases the risk that the virus will spread.
Proponents of an emergency declaration say that it would enable the WHO to denounce government actions that could harm the Ebola response, such as the DRC's voting restrictions last year or the United States' decision to stay out of the outbreak zone. A declaration could also put pressure on the DRC to improve health services and security in communities traumatized by Ebola and violence, says Oyewale Tomori, an independent virologist in Ibadan, Nigeria.
Since October, the WHO has repeatedly decided against declaring a public-health emergency, saying that Ebola is unlikely to spread globally and that aid groups are providing sufficient help to limit the outbreak. Some specialists in global health speculate that the WHO's reluctance to declare an emergency is influenced by geopolitical issues, too. Declaring an emergency might trigger countries around the DRC to block border checkpoints, for example, which could depress the region's economy and make it harder to know when people with Ebola enter other countries.
And David Heymann, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, says that leaders of armed groups in the region might use an emergency declaration as leverage to negotiate for territory, resources or power, in exchange for allowing Ebola responders to do their jobs. "Infectious agents can be held hostage," he says.
Then there's the issue of whether an emergency declaration does anything at all. Adia Benton, an anthropologist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, says that the turning point in the West Africa epidemic may not have been the decision to declare an emergency, but the news of a handful of cases of Ebola in the United States. Whether or not the WHO sounds the alarm in the current outbreak, she fears that it will continue to fester—just as the world has largely ignored arson, starvation and violence in the DRC for a quarter-century.
Oh dear, we're seeing a another outbreak of the infection. :(