Ebola and other Epidemics, Inadequate Healthcare Threatens Millions

Started by mongers, March 23, 2014, 04:48:59 PM

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derspiess

I'd like to hear your opinion on the actual issue, Seedy.
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derspiess

Quote from: garbon on October 24, 2014, 03:49:39 PM
de Blasio already told me not to panic, so I'm chill. :cool:

Just don't be a groundhog and he won't kill you.
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derspiess

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We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.
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derspiess

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.

Not necessarily.  Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go.  They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back.  Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.
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Razgovory

Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.

Not necessarily.  Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go.  They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back.  Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.

I think that is reasonable.  I don't know how long it takes to find out if you have ebola in your system from a blood sample, but if it's a short period and if it's logistically possible I think taking blood samples of people who have spend time in the infected areas entering the US might be prudent.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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celedhring

Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.

Not necessarily.  Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go.  They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back.  Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.

I think that is reasonable.  I don't know how long it takes to find out if you have ebola in your system from a blood sample, but if it's a short period and if it's logistically possible I think taking blood samples of people who have spend time in the infected areas entering the US might be prudent.

Quarantine period is 21 days. Not that easy to lock up so many people for so long.

Admiral Yi

New York and New Jersey have imposed quarantines on health care workers returning from the hot zone.

celedhring

I personally think it's excessive. As long as they monitor their temp quite closely so the illness is detected early, it should be okay. Our infected nurse had sex with her husband after developing the illness and he didn't get infected (well, he still has 2 days remaining of quarantine but he's healthy) . It looks like it's really hard to infect others unless the illness is already in a very advanced stage.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.

Not necessarily.  Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go.  They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back.  Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.

I've been doing some basic searches of the forum, and I'm kind of surprised how you never demonstrated this level of concern about the H1N1 scare of 2009-10, which was profoundly more dangerous than a blood and bodily fluid-born viral hemorrhagic fever. 

In fact, with the exception of mentioning that the little missus drags her feet when it comes to flue shots, you did not participate in any of the H1NI/Swine Fru threads at all.  :lol:

I wonder why that is?  :hmm:



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Razgovory

Quote from: celedhring on October 24, 2014, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.

Not necessarily.  Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go.  They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back.  Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.

I think that is reasonable.  I don't know how long it takes to find out if you have ebola in your system from a blood sample, but if it's a short period and if it's logistically possible I think taking blood samples of people who have spend time in the infected areas entering the US might be prudent.

Quarantine period is 21 days. Not that easy to lock up so many people for so long.

How many people we talking about?  I don't think it's difficult to quarantine people a large number of people for 21 days.  We build camps for displaced people after Hurricanes and such.  Same kind of thing.  If Derspeiss will agree to a "big government solution", then it has to have some merit.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 24, 2014, 06:11:00 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 24, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 24, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
We help US citizens most by containing the disease at the source.

Not necessarily.  Anyway I'm not against sending aid and whatever volunteers that are willing to go.  They just ought to go through a quarantine when they get back.  Kind of surprised I'm getting so much pushback on that idea.

I've been doing some basic searches of the forum, and I'm kind of surprised how you never demonstrated this level of concern about the H1N1 scare of 2009-10, which was profoundly more dangerous than a blood and bodily fluid-born viral hemorrhagic fever. 

In fact, with the exception of mentioning that the little missus drags her feet when it comes to flue shots, you did not participate in any of the H1NI/Swine Fru threads at all.  :lol:

I wonder why that is?  :hmm:



"The darkies...always about the darkies..."

Well, cause that was about impossible to quarantine.  By the time that strain of flu had been identified it was in already the the general population.  Ebola on the other hand is geographically limited and most importantly not at large in our country.  We can contain it, we can save a lot of lives.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017