Ebola and other Epidemics, Inadequate Healthcare Threatens Millions

Started by mongers, March 23, 2014, 04:48:59 PM

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mongers

This Spanish infection and possible secondary infections, suggest it was right to criticise the repatriation of western Ebola patients as too risky.
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Martinus

Of course the only case when there was a conscious repatriation had the patient cured with no secondary infections. But mongers, Tim and Trump know better.

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Fate

Quote from: mongers on October 07, 2014, 07:28:00 AM
This Spanish infection and possible secondary infections, suggest it was right to criticise the repatriation of western Ebola patients as too risky.
No, it suggests Spain's staff needs better training on how to put on and take off their personal protective equipment.

mongers

Quote from: Fate on October 07, 2014, 08:14:40 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 07, 2014, 07:28:00 AM
This Spanish infection and possible secondary infections, suggest it was right to criticise the repatriation of western Ebola patients as too risky.
No, it suggests Spain's staff needs better training on how to put on and take off their personal protective equipment.

Which was a risk that need not be confined to Madrid or the rest of the world?
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Fate

Quote from: mongers on October 07, 2014, 08:53:23 AM
Quote from: Fate on October 07, 2014, 08:14:40 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 07, 2014, 07:28:00 AM
This Spanish infection and possible secondary infections, suggest it was right to criticise the repatriation of western Ebola patients as too risky.
No, it suggests Spain's staff needs better training on how to put on and take off their personal protective equipment.

Which was a risk that need not be confined to Madrid or the rest of the world?

In the 1980's everyone thought that patients with HIV should be quarantined and it was too much of a risk for doctors to treat them. I guess it's human nature to irrationally freak out about new infectious diseases. Ebola is not a significant risk in first world hospitals. The medical and public health community will have to repeat this a million more times before it sinks in but such is life.

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Ebola in the West is like a really slow zombie. Sure, you can outrun them, kill them, hide from them for a while. The potential danger lies in numbers. Do we have the stomach to sink boats full of sick refugees? Probably not. Do we have the resources to quarantine and treat refugees? That depends on just how many we get. Every system has a breaking point.
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Quote from: Fate on October 07, 2014, 08:14:40 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 07, 2014, 07:28:00 AM
This Spanish infection and possible secondary infections, suggest it was right to criticise the repatriation of western Ebola patients as too risky.
No, it suggests Spain's staff needs better training on how to put on and take off their personal protective equipment.

According to a phone interview just made with the husband of the patient (who is also hospitalized, as she went on vacation right after the last doctor that was sick with Ebola in her hospital died), she did 'Everything She Was Told To'.

http://www.elmundo.es/madrid/2014/10/07/5433dfe822601dd8798b458c.html

That said, a second nurse of the same team is now suspected of having Ebola and is hospitalized at the same place  :ph34r:

The 1st nurse also gave signs on the 30th, but was sent home. It was only on the 6th, when she had all symptoms, that she went to an hospital - brought by a team with no particular protection. Only after Ebola was confirmed was she sent to the special area at the Carlos III hospital.

And now the cleaning staff at the other hospital is refusing to clean the premises, as they know not which precations to take.

Fate

Frankly, the husband would have no idea as a lay person if his wife indeed did "everything she was told to do." His statement is worthless.

It'd be worthwhile to hear from the nursing aid in question and the person who helped gown/ungown her.

Malthus

My understanding is that Ebola is actually reasonably difficult to get - you have to have contact with bodily fluids, and it doesn't persist long outside the body.

Healthcare workers are of course at risk, as they must deal with sick people's bodily fluids, but this is not like an influenza epidemic - elementary precautions should keep a first-world population reasonably safe.
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