I consider March Madness to start with the conference tourneys, so it's high time for a thread.
Last night's Cleveland State - Butler game was one of the best games I've seen all year. Never thought I'd be into the Horizon League championship that much.
As for the Big East, current Bracketology has them placing 3 teams as 1 seeds. It would be cool, but I doubt it will happen. And wtf is up with Cincinnati and Georgetown both getting knocked out yesterday?? Either team is a long shot to make the NIT now IMO.
Oh, and we need to do a Languish bracket again this year :)
I have recently been given hope by Texas' dominating performance against Kansas in the first half of their game the other day. Their second half collapse has been noted of course.
Maybe...maybe if all the pieces come together...
Arizona is going to play ASU in teh first round of the Pac-10 tournament, and CW is that they need to win that game, at least, to get into the dance.
ASU has beaten Arizona 4 times straight. Not sure if that means Arizona is due or what.
There are also lots of rumors swirling about Wildcat nation that Pitino is coming...
I look forward to Syracuse choking in the first round yet again.
I'm disappointed in how the Hoya season turned out but I'm not all that surprised. Too many weaknesses: can't rebound, no go-to guy, no low post presence, thin bench, Princeton offense is too slow and predictable.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 11, 2009, 11:53:34 AM
I'm disappointed in how the Hoya season turned out but I'm not all that surprised. Too many weaknesses: can't rebound, no go-to guy, no low post presence, thin bench, Princeton offense is too slow and predictable.
They had a great start, but they totally fell off once WVU beat them. I'm guessing their subsequent opponents studied the WVU game film pretty closely.
Quote from: derspiess on March 11, 2009, 12:03:15 PM
They had a great start, but they totally fell off once WVU beat them. I'm guessing their subsequent opponents studied the WVU game film pretty closely.
It's not rocket science. Stick with your man, don't overplay, follow the cuts.
There's that, but there's also strategy involved. Double-team this guy, which defenses/offenses to run, focus on inside or outside game, etc. Coaches don't just coach the fundamentals.
Providence won. :)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 11, 2009, 02:36:02 PM
Providence won. :)
I wish WVU was playing Providence tonight instead of ND. WVU always seems to beat da Friars. But no, they gotta face that oafish Irishman tonight :(
Quote from: derspiess on March 11, 2009, 10:07:52 AM
I consider March Madness to start with the conference tourneys, so it's high time for a thread.
Last night's Cleveland State - Butler game was one of the best games I've seen all year. Never thought I'd be into the Horizon League championship that much.
As for the Big East, current Bracketology has them placing 3 teams as 1 seeds. It would be cool, but I doubt it will happen. And wtf is up with Cincinnati and Georgetown both getting knocked out yesterday?? Either team is a long shot to make the NIT now IMO.
Oh, and we need to do a Languish bracket again this year :)
Horizon League basketball is great. Especially when Butler gets humbled.
A wonderful time of year!
I am flying down to Raleigh for ACC Tourney weekend. The alcohol begins to flow around 11am and ends sometime Sunday.
Go Wolfpack! Go Syracuse (in the Big East)
Quote from: Strix on March 11, 2009, 03:34:00 PM
A wonderful time of year!
I am flying down to Raleigh for ACC Tourney weekend. The alcohol begins to flow around 11am and ends sometime Sunday.
Go Wolfpack! Go Syracuse (in the Big East)
Conference tourneys are fun. I was lucky enough to be in NYC on business for the 2007 Big East tournament. Went to the Atlantic 10 tournament when it was in Cincy a while back.
The atmosphere for NCAA tournament games is flat-out insane, though :woot:
Texas is ahead by 10 with 4 minutes to go...come on guys
Mike Singletary set a new Big 12 record with 43 points in a tournament game last night.
WVU dominated last night, then had to hang on to win ugly vs. ND last night. The 'Cuse-Seton Hall game was semi-competitive for 25 minutes or so, but then became entertaining for the technicals & flagrant fouls :)
WVU has to face Pitt yet again. I guess to think of it a little differently, Pitt will have to have beaten WVU 3 times to advance tonight.
I might take a late lunch to watch Marquette-Nova. That should be a hell of a game.
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2009, 09:35:08 AM
WVU dominated last night, then had to hang on to win ugly vs. ND last night. The 'Cuse-Seton Hall game was semi-competitive for 25 minutes or so, but then became entertaining for the technicals & flagrant fouls :)
WVU has to face Pitt yet again. I guess to think of it a little differently, Pitt will have to have beaten WVU 3 times to advance tonight.
I might take a late lunch to watch Marquette-Nova. That should be a hell of a game.
You freaking lucky Big East fans. I wish my part of the country was this excited about the Basketball Tournament or had so many good teams.
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2009, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2009, 09:35:08 AM
WVU dominated last night, then had to hang on to win ugly vs. ND last night. The 'Cuse-Seton Hall game was semi-competitive for 25 minutes or so, but then became entertaining for the technicals & flagrant fouls :)
WVU has to face Pitt yet again. I guess to think of it a little differently, Pitt will have to have beaten WVU 3 times to advance tonight.
I might take a late lunch to watch Marquette-Nova. That should be a hell of a game.
You freaking luck Big East fans. I wish my part of the country was this excited about the Basketball Tournament or had so many good teams.
Syracuse practically shuts down this time of the year. It's really the only week where you can get away with doing nothing at work. :D
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2009, 10:17:27 AM
You freaking lucky Big East fans. I wish my part of the country was this excited about the Basketball Tournament or had so many good teams.
Cincy is a college hoops town. College football is a different story, and I would imagine your area has us beaten in terms of enthusiasm ;)
I heard on the radio that North Dakota State has qualified for the tourney.
heh
I spent a lot of time on that campus while in university. Good for those guys. Go Bison!
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2009, 01:06:32 PM
I heard on the radio that North Dakota State has qualified for the tourney.
heh
I spent a lot of time on that campus while in university. Good for those guys. Go Bison!
Yeah, the NCAA has a rule that all Division I teams that win their conference title get an automatic bid to the NCAA tourney. I'm guessing they'll be a 15 or 14 seed.
Apparently it's their first year in Div I.
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2009, 01:19:19 PM
Apparently it's their first year in Div I.
Are you sure? I could have sworn they had appeard in the tournament before.
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2009, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2009, 01:19:19 PM
Apparently it's their first year in Div I.
Are you sure? I could have sworn they had appeard in the tournament before.
Pretty sure. I had 10 hours of driving to do on Tuesday and Wednesday, and I find the mindless chatter of ESPN Radio a good way to pass the time. They definitely said this was the first year NDSU was even eligible for the NCAA Tourney.
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2009, 01:18:15 PM
Yeah, the NCAA has a rule that all Division I teams that win their conference title get an automatic bid to the NCAA tourney. I'm guessing they'll be a 15 or 14 seed.
This is one of the best rules out there. It allows schools like Gonzaga to emerge out of obscurity as major powers.
It is one of the things that makes College Basketball so much better than College Football in the way the championship is decided. Every team theoretically can win it all.
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2009, 01:29:54 PM
Pretty sure. I had 10 hours of driving to do on Tuesday and Wednesday, and I find the mindless chatter of ESPN Radio a good way to pass the time. They definitely said this was the first year NDSU was even eligible for the NCAA Tourney.
Actually it looks like no school from either Dakota had ever made it. I must have been thinking about one of the Montana schools.
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2009, 01:19:19 PM
Apparently it's their first year in Div I.
Cool-- I bet they have a lot of students who suddenly found themselves to be raving basketball fans ;)
I actually like that the smaller programs get invited-- makes for a more exciting tournament than simply inviting the top 64 teams.
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2009, 01:43:44 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2009, 01:19:19 PM
Apparently it's their first year in Div I.
Cool-- I bet they have a lot of students who suddenly found themselves to be raving basketball fans ;)
I actually like that the smaller programs get invited-- makes for a more exciting tournament than simply inviting the top 64 teams.
Well it's made me a one-time-only NCAA Basketball Tourney fan.
Seriously - I spent a lot of time at NDSU...
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2009, 01:38:15 PM
Actually it looks like no school from either Dakota had ever made it. I must have been thinking about one of the Montana schools.
Maybe you're thinking of Wyoming? They made a run a couple years back with Big Country. Won me some nice pool money.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 12, 2009, 01:52:16 PM
Maybe you're thinking of Wyoming? They made a run a couple years back with Big Country. Won me some nice pool money.
The only Big Country I know of is Big Country Reeves of Oklahoma State fame.
No I am definitely thinking of Montana.
I hate to see any team that was not expected to win their minor conference making it this year.
That is one less spot for my very-on-the-bubble Wildcats.
;D Baylor wins.
Quote from: Berkut on March 12, 2009, 01:59:44 PM
I hate to see any team that was not expected to win their minor conference making it this year.
That is one less spot for my very-on-the-bubble Wildcats.
The play-in game helps mitigate the more extreme cases-- maybe we should add another one or two.
Figures. The first half of the Marquette-Nova game was boring, so I left at halftime to go back to the office. Turns out the 2nd half looks like a dogfight :frusty:
Lots of upsets today, but WVU beating #2 Pitt was by far the sweetest in my totally unbiased opinion :D
Cuse & UCONN is a hell of a game so far.
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
Lots of upsets today, but WVU beating #2 Pitt was by far the sweetest in my totally unbiased opinion :D
Cuse & UCONN is a hell of a game so far.
UW was able to survive Garbon's alma mater and now gets to face Arizona St who beat Berkut's Wildcats for 3rd time this season.
UCONN and Syracuse just entered into a 6th(!!) overtime. Those players must be exhausted.
Quote from: stjaba on March 13, 2009, 12:12:17 AM
UCONN and Syracuse just entered into a 6th(!!) overtime. Those players must be exhausted.
And the ones who aren't exhausted are probably too cold/tight from sitting & watching the game all night. Shit, let's go for 7 OTs-- it only keeps benefiting WVU :)
Goddamn, what a game. Hopefully Cuse is good & tired and that scary center of theirs is easier to match up against.
Jay-sus Christ. :o
I'm happy for that walk on that he didn't fuck up miserably.
Fucking 'Cuse. I was surrounded by 'Cuse fans and was the only bastard in the bar I work at rooting for UCONN. One would think being a Royals and Raiders fan I'd be used to losing, but it still hurts every time. :(
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 13, 2009, 04:10:05 AM
Fucking 'Cuse. I was surrounded by 'Cuse fans and was the only bastard in the bar I work at rooting for UCONN. One would think being a Royals and Raiders fan I'd be used to losing, but it still hurts every time. :(
You hate the 'Cuse? :o
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 12, 2009, 02:14:24 PM
;D Baylor wins.
Oklahoma State wins als and the Big XII Tournament is suddenly blown way open. Chaos reigns!
Baylor-Texas and Oklahoma State-Missouri in the semis. The rational choice is Missouri at this point.
Quote from: Valmy on March 13, 2009, 07:57:14 AM
Oklahoma State wins als and the Big XII Tournament is suddenly blown way open. Chaos reigns!
Baylor-Texas and Oklahoma State-Missouri in the semis. The rational choice is Missouri at this point.
Rational choices flew out the window yesterday. Your team has about as good a shot as anyone IMO :)
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2009, 09:46:53 AM
Rational choices flew out the window yesterday. Your team has about as good a shot as anyone IMO :)
Texas has gotten to the finals of the Big XII tournament and lost five times including the past three years in a row. I am a bit wary of getting my hopes up in this tourney. They are just toying with my emotions.
I guess the pundits are saying Arizona still has a shot. I am not sure why though - seems like a team that went .500 in the Pac-10 and does not have 20 wins doesn't really deserve a spot.
But then, I guess you are down to picking between a few teams that have similarly unimpressive resumes.
Not sure how I would feel about watching Arizona play in the NIT.
I think Michigan could actually make the dance this year if they beat Illinois on neutral ground. This year they split the seres, each winning at home. Interstingly, Illinois has already made the NCAA tourney, so they have less to play for.
Quote from: grumbler on March 13, 2009, 10:24:44 AM
I think Michigan could actually make the dance this year if they beat Illinois on neutral ground. This year they split the seres, each winning at home. Interstingly, Illinois has already made the NCAA tourney, so they have less to play for.
Michigan may be in regardless.
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2009, 10:42:27 AM
Michigan may be in regardless.
Had they beaten a stronger team, I would think you were right. The wins against UCLA and Guke were a long time ago, though, and they only finished .500 in the Big Ten. I thinkl they need one more win to clinch it, though I agree that if they get some breaks, they could get in even with a loss.
Quote from: grumbler on March 13, 2009, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2009, 10:42:27 AM
Michigan may be in regardless.
Had they beaten a stronger team, I would think you were right. The wins against UCLA and Guke were a long time ago, though, and they only finished .500 in the Big Ten. I thinkl they need one more win to clinch it, though I agree that if they get some breaks, they could get in even with a loss.
Most recent bracketology http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology) has them as a 10 seed (up from an 11 seed yesterday), for what that's worth. A win would seal the deal, but if I had to bet I would say they're in either way. Obviously, it would help their cause if a few bubble teams lost.
While I don't think Arizona deserves to be in after losing to ASU, how does New Mexico get in ahead of them after losing to Oklahoma?
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2009, 11:11:27 AM
Most recent bracketology http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology) has them as a 10 seed (up from an 11 seed yesterday), for what that's worth. A win would seal the deal, but if I had to bet I would say they're in either way. Obviously, it would help their cause if a few bubble teams lost.
I mst admit that it is interesting to watch all this bracketology stuff - but why would Penn State be "on the bubble" when they are 22-10 (to Michigan's 20-12), won one more conference game, and split the series with Michigan?
I don't understand this stuff! ;D
8 teams from the Big-10? Are you kidding me?
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2009, 12:11:48 PM
8 teams from the Big-10? Are you kidding me?
8 from the Big Ten and only 7 from the Big East doesn't seem to make any sense, does it? :o
Quote from: grumbler on March 13, 2009, 12:10:06 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2009, 11:11:27 AM
Most recent bracketology http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology) has them as a 10 seed (up from an 11 seed yesterday), for what that's worth. A win would seal the deal, but if I had to bet I would say they're in either way. Obviously, it would help their cause if a few bubble teams lost.
I mst admit that it is interesting to watch all this bracketology stuff - but why would Penn State be "on the bubble" when they are 22-10 (to Michigan's 20-12), won one more conference game, and split the series with Michigan?
I don't understand this stuff! ;D
The selection committee looks at several angles in determining who gets in & who doesn't, as well as seeding. They look at records vs. top 25 teams, "marquee wins", strength of schedule, RPI, etc. They also tend to weigh more heavily how a team does in the latter part of the season, to try to catch the "hot" teams that will likely do well in the tournament.
On top of that, fans & sportswriters make up their own categories to bolster arguments over who should be in & who should be out.
What gets really amusing is when a team gets shut out of the NCAA tourney & their fans raise holy hell, and then said team gets knocked out in their first NIT game :)
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2009, 12:48:37 PM
What gets really amusing is when a team gets shut out of the NCAA tourney & their fans raise holy hell, and then said team gets knocked out in their first NIT game :)
I always roll my eyes at that. If you were mediocre enough to be a bubble team you have nobody to blame for not getting in.
And if you do want to point fingers at least win the NIT first.
Looks like Univ. of Dayton is getting in. So now I have to deal with their bandwagon and that will annoy me.
Especially since they don't have the balls to play Wright State next door.
Quote from: Valmy on March 13, 2009, 12:50:35 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2009, 12:48:37 PM
What gets really amusing is when a team gets shut out of the NCAA tourney & their fans raise holy hell, and then said team gets knocked out in their first NIT game :)
I always roll my eyes at that. If you were mediocre enough to be a bubble team you have nobody to blame for not getting in.
And if you do want to point fingers at least win the NIT first.
I was pissed about WVU being shut out in 2007, but after they won the NIT I was happy it worked out that way-- new banner for the Coliseum, rather than just another year added to the NCAA tournament banner.
OK, if fucking Creighton makes it into the tourney instead of Arizona, that is going to piss me off.
They have not beaten ANYONE. They have exactly 1 win against a top-50 RPI team.
Man, this bubble shit sucks.
Free first round on the interweb for those stuck at work next week:
http://mmod.ncaa.com/
Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 13, 2009, 05:51:17 PM
Free first round on the interweb for those stuck at work next week:
http://mmod.ncaa.com/
I'm taking both afternoons off. Kinda like last year, but officially :D
Maryland beat Wake! Seedy must be happy.
Fuckin' Cuse!! :(
I was watching a little Orange and I noticed that their colors are a perfect match for Hooters.
:D
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcivilwarriors.net%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fku-mizzou-john-brown.jpg&hash=f4d1fad13af8c410ff5bf4add8b5daaeb6849b73)
Too many white people in Kansas
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2009, 09:25:38 PM
Fuckin' Cuse!! :(
Awesome game! :)
But sadly Louisville is going to wipe the floor with them tonight. Devendorf and Flynn have to be exhausted by now.
Well Berkie the Cats got in.
So NDSU vs Washington in the first round.
You realize katmai, of course, this means war.
Go Bison.
Hopefully WVU and UD will destroy each other with their collective suck.
Quote from: katmai on March 15, 2009, 05:43:56 PM
Well Berkie the Cats got in.
Indeed, I am very pleased.
I thought they had no chance, especially once USC and Miss State got in.
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
So NDSU vs Washington in the first round.
You realize katmai, of course, this means war.
Go Bison.
:huh:
Someone at the Cats board started a thread with links to all the other team boards with people bitching about Arizona getting in, like Creighton and SDSU and such.
It really is delicious.
Quote from: Berkut on March 15, 2009, 08:12:24 PM
Someone at the Cats board started a thread with links to all the other team boards with people bitching about Arizona getting in, like Creighton and SDSU and such.
It really is delicious.
the only team with a valid bitch from what i've seen is St. Marys
'Cuse will be upset by the Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks. You heard it here first.
Quote from: katmai on March 15, 2009, 08:17:04 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 15, 2009, 08:12:24 PM
Someone at the Cats board started a thread with links to all the other team boards with people bitching about Arizona getting in, like Creighton and SDSU and such.
It really is delicious.
the only team with a valid bitch from what i've seen is St. Marys
Agreed.
Setup up the tourney pool, if you were in last years invites were sent to e-mail addys you used.
if interested let me know in this thread and i'll see about getting invites to you.
Quote from: Berkut on March 15, 2009, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 15, 2009, 08:17:04 PM
the only team with a valid bitch from what i've seen is St. Marys
Agreed.
Even so i'm psyched to see how the Pac does this year, even though UW is already getting dismissed by some of the "experts" in thier matchup with MSU
I think Arizona is going to curb stomp Utah.
They could even win their second round game.
Quote from: Berkut on March 15, 2009, 08:39:36 PM
I think Arizona is going to curb stomp Utah.
They could even win their second round game.
I don't think any team i've seen has a top 3 as good as Zona's but as you know it's all how the bench and other two starters perform.
And haven't seen Utah so no idea how good they are.
Quote from: katmai on March 15, 2009, 08:08:32 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
So NDSU vs Washington in the first round.
You realize katmai, of course, this means war.
Go Bison.
:huh:
Aren't you a UDub guy? :huh:
Quote from: katmai on March 15, 2009, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 15, 2009, 08:39:36 PM
I think Arizona is going to curb stomp Utah.
They could even win their second round game.
I don't think any team i've seen has a top 3 as good as Zona's but as you know it's all how the bench and other two starters perform.
And haven't seen Utah so no idea how good they are.
Utah is actually the kind of team that gives Arizona fits.
They don't take chances on defense, and don't make mistakes.
And they shoot the three on offense, but do not crash the boards, and do not give up fast break opportunities.
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2009, 08:57:53 PM
Aren't you a UDub guy? :huh:
I am. But Washington plays Miss St.
North Dakota St is playing Kansas in first round.
I hope Jaron's bracket is just as bad as last year. It'll make my random picks look better. :)
Quote from: katmai on March 15, 2009, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2009, 08:57:53 PM
Aren't you a UDub guy? :huh:
I am. But Washington plays Miss St.
North Dakota St is playing Kansas in first round.
ESPN.com has lied to me again :cry:
Edit:
I read this and thought it was the final selection.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology?id=3232345
So, are we going to a Languish bracket contest, or what?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 15, 2009, 10:08:23 PM
So, are we going to a Languish bracket contest, or what?
See reply #78. ::)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 15, 2009, 10:08:23 PM
So, are we going to a Languish bracket contest, or what?
:-X
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2009, 09:40:49 PM
ESPN.com has lied to me again :cry:
Edit:
I read this and thought it was the final selection.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology?id=3232345
ah yeah just a prognosticators thinking on brackets but nope we get SEC tourney Title winner in MSU, and if they beat them most likely Purdue and then UConn who has knocked UW out of sweet 16 twice in last 10 years (UW has only been in Sweet 16 4 times in that span to boot lol )
Okay for anyone else interested in joining our little tourney pool
http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/t1/register/joinprivategroup_assign_team?GID=97648&P=bubble (http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/t1/register/joinprivategroup_assign_team?GID=97648&P=bubble)
password is Moldy iirc
Quote from: katmai on March 16, 2009, 09:42:23 AM
Okay for anyone else interested in joining our little tourney pool
http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/t1/register/joinprivategroup_assign_team?GID=97648&P=bubble (http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com/t1/register/joinprivategroup_assign_team?GID=97648&P=bubble)
password is Moldy iirc
The auto-email says "bubble" and if you look at the link you posted the bit after P= is the password.
Quote from: garbon on March 16, 2009, 09:52:25 AM
The auto-email says "bubble" and if you look at the link you posted the bit after P= is the password.
Quite right :(
Bloody well right.
Quote from: PDH on March 16, 2009, 10:03:29 AM
Bloody well right.
I like your bracket name by the way.
Quote from: katmai on March 16, 2009, 10:03:55 AM
I like your bracket name by the way.
Now if I could just get the brackets to SHOW UP at work I could make my wrong picks. Oh well.
I joined. :)
Quote from: Berkut on March 15, 2009, 08:12:24 PM
Someone at the Cats board started a thread with links to all the other team boards with people bitching about Arizona getting in, like Creighton and SDSU and such.
It really is delicious.
Dukie Vitale was just complaining about Arizona getting in & St. Marys being left out, but he was righteously smacked down by Jay Bilas, who pointed out all of Arizona's key wins.
St. Marys was just a victim of all the unlikely mid-major tournament champs.
Yeah, the Bilas smackdown of Vitale was epic.
When I heard about it, I was rather pleased - I've never liked Vitale and his Duke love affair. But when I actually watched it, it was kind of sad.
Just friggin have 128 teams - more money, more games, longer tourney, more money, Wyoming might play more than once a decade, more money. What's to hate?
Timmay you moron, all the info you need to get into pool is in this thread, so show me you have some reading comprehension before you go teaching the youth of Rhode Island, k?
Send me an invite, plz k thks.
Quote from: PDH on March 16, 2009, 08:24:13 PM
Send me an invite, plz k thks.
For you..anything :)
I threw my darts.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 16, 2009, 08:27:11 PM
I threw my darts.
how ever did you pick without g-town to choose from? :p
Quote from: katmai on March 16, 2009, 08:28:27 PM
how ever did you pick without g-town to choose from? :p
I clicked on the team name.:grabon:
Anyone got any deep underdogs making it to 4?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 16, 2009, 08:37:16 PM
Anyone got any deep underdogs making it to 4?
nah lowest seed i have is Zona making sweet 16.
my elite 8 don't have anything lower than a #4
I'll take an invite if it's not too late.
Quote from: Camper on March 16, 2009, 08:58:29 PM
I'll take an invite if it's not too late.
If he gives you one he has to give Timmy one.
Quote from: Camper on March 16, 2009, 08:58:29 PM
I'll take an invite if it's not too late.
Hey Camper. :)
Quote from: katmai on March 16, 2009, 08:18:04 PM
Timmay you moron, all the info you need to get into pool is in this thread, so show me you have some reading comprehension before you go teaching the youth of Rhode Island, k?
I don't read your posts. :P
Mission accomplished captain.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 16, 2009, 08:37:16 PM
Anyone got any deep underdogs making it to 4?
I had a couple of 4 seeds in the Elite 8 and a couple of 3 seeds in the Final 4.
Barack-etology
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3992869
Quote from: Syt on March 19, 2009, 10:24:42 AM
Barack-etology
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3992869
What a gutless bracket! I've given him the benefit of the doubt until now, but this seals it. I hereby withdraw my support.
I'm disappointed. There's been some good games, but nothing crazy has happened yet.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 19, 2009, 03:24:22 PM
Quote from: Syt on March 19, 2009, 10:24:42 AM
Barack-etology
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3992869
What a gutless bracket! I've given him the benefit of the doubt until now, but this seals it. I hereby withdraw my support.
It's not about guts, it's about how hot their cheeleaders are.
Cleveland St. beat Wake! ???
Suck it Ed Anger/Monkeybutt/Cindy Brady!
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 20, 2009, 11:23:10 PM
Suck it Ed Anger/Monkeybutt/Cindy Brady!
What am I supposed to suck? If it is over the Ohio State University losing, meh. I follow Wright State basketball son, and have since Bobby knight was unfairly demonized and fired in Indiana.
You people really need to pay attention to who I like in each sport.
Brackets busted, teams losing, need to eat my way back to mental health...
I am thinking of deep-fried twinkies.
How in the world is UCLA, East?
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 21, 2009, 12:16:57 PM
How in the world is UCLA, East?
It isn't. It is in California.
The brackets, and thus where the games are played, isn't based on where the schools are located.
So this is no different then football & makes no damn sense.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 21, 2009, 12:24:16 PM
So this is no different then football & makes no damn sense.
I have no idea what the first phrase means (there is no tournament in NCAA Div 1A football) and the placement of teams in divisions makes perfect sense, given the desire to avoid rematches of conference games. The Big East, for instance, produced three of the top four teams in the tourney. If you were to arbitrarily assign them all to the East Region, then they would be ranked 1-3 there (and less deserving teams would get a #1 ranking in the other regions) and the battles between them would be repeats of games they had recently played.
Teams are seeded by how well they perform, opponents beaten, styrength of schedule, and whatnot, and then the highest seeds get the most desriable berths, working down until the #64 team plays the top-seeded team. By definition, this cannot work unless you ignore the physical locations of the schools 9except to give the better-seeded team a berth closer to home when possible, like North Carolina getting the #1 seed in the South rather than, say, the West). The idea is to make the games get increasingly more competitive and exciting, so they don't want two of the best (perceived) four teams eliminated until the Final Four - which they would have if they were to "make sense" in the GF universe. :P
Okay, it makes more sense then the BCS.
Why is it named East/West/Midwest/South, if it has nothing to do with that?
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 21, 2009, 02:51:56 PM
Okay, it makes more sense then the BCS.
Anything makes mjore sense than the BCS! :D
QuoteWhy is it named East/West/Midwest/South, if it has nothing to do with that?
That is where the games are played.
Midwest Regional – Indianapolis, Indiana
West Regional - Glendale, Arizona
East Regional – Boston, Massachusetts
South Regional – Memphis, Tennessee
The Final Four will be in Detroit, if the city is still standing by then.
This year's games are actually taking place at the following locations Grumbler:
Greensboro, NC (Greensboro Coliseum)
Kansas City, MO (Sprint Center)
Philadelphia, PA (Wachovia Center)
Portland, OR (Rose Garden)
Everybody knows that the four regions are, in reality:
The East
The East
The Kinda East
The Eastern teams that have to go west to play
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 21, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
This year's games are actually taking place at the following locations Grumbler:
Greensboro, NC (Greensboro Coliseum)
Kansas City, MO (Sprint Center)
Philadelphia, PA (Wachovia Center)
Portland, OR (Rose Garden)
Nope, those are just the first and second rounds. The regionals take place at the cities I mentioned.
I fear the Timmay effect is alive and well. When I entered the local sports bar yesterday, Pitt was only up 3 with 3 minutes left. Upon my arrival however, Pitt quickly pulled ahead. :o
Quote from: grumbler on March 21, 2009, 06:12:12 PM
Nope, those are just the first and second rounds. The regionals take place at the cities I mentioned.
Well then by our powers combined, we've accounted for all of the venues.
Looks like Arizona was worthy after all.
Every damn year Gonzaga does the exact opposite of how I pick them brackets. >:(
:'( Texas fails to win the National Championship once again.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 20, 2009, 11:16:26 PM
Cleveland St. beat Wake! ???
Wake fans will probably dread ever hearing "Cleveland State" in the future. Before this, they lost back in 2005 (to WVU) in a 2nd round upset that was played at Cleveland State's arena :D
Quote from: Valmy on March 23, 2009, 08:15:03 AM
:'( Texas fails to win the National Championship once again.
Bill in Sinton knows you didn't hook your horns before the game. :o
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 23, 2009, 09:54:00 AM
Bill in Sinton knows you didn't hook your horns before the game. :o
Bill actually doesn't babble much on the Basketball board. Actually Texas fans really do not care about anything but football that much for the most part. I enjoy watching football-Basketabll-Baseball and then start thinking about football again by August. Most Texas fans seem to obsess about football year round. It drives me nuts as there is nothing quite so boring as off season bullshit like recruiting and spring football masturbation but while great games are being played in other sports the sports shows around here just babble on about some high school kid and what college he wants to go to. Meh.
Well there's always next year for the Wolverines. :(
I have mixed feelings about the Spartans. We could use some good news in Detroit; and it would be great if they made it to the Final Four at Ford Field. On the other hand I'd rather not have the inevitable celebratory riot in Detroit; it's nicer when they torch East Lansing.
Can the Cats beat Louisville?
Yes We Can!
The Obama Curse will see us through to the Final Four.
Quote from: Berkut on March 23, 2009, 10:59:24 AM
Can the Cats beat Louisville?
They'd better not; that would screw up my bracket.
I sure like the look of Villanova - interchangable players that are all about 6'7-8'' that can drive, shoot and defend full court combined with a good coach.
They are my dark horse. I think they can beat Duke and have a chance against Pit. After that anything can happen.
As bad as I'm doing in my brackets, my Elite 8 is intact. If things go well for me in the Sweet 16 games and Louisville wins out, I'll be doing okay.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 23, 2009, 12:00:38 PM
I sure like the look of Villanova - interchangable players that are all about 6'7-8'' that can drive, shoot and defend full court combined with a good coach.
They are my dark horse. I think they can beat Duke and have a chance against Pit. After that anything can happen.
Nova did beat Pitt during the regular season, so yeah that's a possibility.
Quote from: Valmy on March 23, 2009, 08:15:03 AM
:'( Texas fails to win the National Championship once again.
I was cheering for Texas against Duke.
Sweet 16, baby!
Go Spartans! :punk:
Quote from: charliebear on March 24, 2009, 09:45:10 AM
I was cheering for Texas against Duke.
So close...so very very close.
Quote from: Savonarola on March 23, 2009, 10:24:35 AM
I have mixed feelings about the Spartans. We could use some good news in Detroit; and it would be great if they made it to the Final Four at Ford Field. On the other hand I'd rather not have the inevitable celebratory riot in Detroit; it's nicer when they torch East Lansing.
I cannot believe you said this. <_<
Quote from: charliebear on March 24, 2009, 09:46:19 AM
Sweet 16, baby!
Go Spartans! :punk:
Good luck against Kansas. Freaking Kansas, even in a rebuilding year they are awesome.
Quote from: Valmy on March 24, 2009, 09:48:11 AM
Quote from: charliebear on March 24, 2009, 09:45:10 AM
I was cheering for Texas against Duke.
So close...so very very close.
Except for the final score, it was a good game.
Quote from: charliebear on March 24, 2009, 09:49:46 AM
Quote from: Valmy on March 24, 2009, 09:48:11 AM
Except for the final score, it was a good game.
I thought it was boring as hell. Whistles every time down the court really took away any flow to the game. I really thought Texas was going to muscle Duke out of the tourney but Duke shot the lights out and Texas didnt take advantage of their size as well as I thought they would.
Hey crazy, have you seen the new Vitamin Water commercial starring your boy Steve Nash? He's pretty much a pud in it.
QuoteI thought it was boring as hell. Whistles every time down the court really took away any flow to the game. I really thought Texas was going to muscle Duke out of the tourney but Duke shot the lights out and Texas didnt take advantage of their size as well as I thought they would.
Just think I got to watch about 30 identical games this season.
Does anyone give the Cats a chance in hell against Louisville?
Quote from: Berkut on March 24, 2009, 11:56:14 AM
Does anyone give the Cats a chance in hell against Louisville?
I do.
Thought right now I am thinking it will be an all Big East final four.
Quote from: Berkut on March 24, 2009, 11:56:14 AM
Does anyone give the Cats a chance in hell against Louisville?
Louisville's defense is terrifying but I thought their offense looked distinctly average.
This is such an awesome picture.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tucsoncitizen.com%2Fphotos%2F2009%2F03%2F23%2F112639-101.jpg&hash=0c7dd1e5bb505d5feca6adae5e22cc67a23bf9d5)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 24, 2009, 11:46:24 AM
Hey crazy, have you seen the new Vitamin Water commercial starring your boy Steve Nash? He's pretty much a pud in it.
I saw it and I agree. I was surprised they got him to say some of that "I AM a brand" type bunk.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 24, 2009, 11:57:56 AM
Louisville's defense is terrifying but I thought their offense looked distinctly average.
I agree but if you have such a devastating defence you need to rest on offence. Shooting comes and goes but defence can remain constant so long as the defensive team has more desire then the opposition - (quoting from the defensive bible of Bobby Knight that was drilled into me as a player) :D
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 24, 2009, 12:01:00 PM
I agree but if you have such a devastating defence you need to rest on offence. Shooting comes and goes but defence can remain constant so long as the defensive team has more desire then the opposition - (quoting from the defensive bible of Bobby Knight that was drilled into me as a player) :D
Still, if a team like Siena (or whoever they played last round) can stick with them for 36 minutes...
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 24, 2009, 12:08:45 PM
Still, if a team like Siena (or whoever they played last round) can stick with them for 36 minutes...
That is what is great about the Tourney. You always get these teams that nobody knows about playing well with the big teams. I think that says more about how well Siena was playing then how poorly their opposition played.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 24, 2009, 12:30:37 PM
That is what is great about the Tourney. You always get these teams that nobody knows about playing well with the big teams. I think that says more about how well Siena was playing then how poorly their opposition played.
Less so the last two years. The power teams are realy beating down the little guys recently.
Once again we're short changing visitors on the Detroit experience. :(
QuoteDetroit gussies up before Final Four
Though city's trying to mask blight, business owners, residents want bigger cleanup effort.
Francis X. Donnelly / The Detroit News
DETROIT -- When the city hosts college basketball's premier championship in two weeks, some downtown blemishes will be covered up.
Eyesores will be hidden behind mesh fences. The windows of vacant buildings will be decorated with displays. The homeless will be lured to shelters.
But residents and businesses want the city to go further in preparing for the slew of fans and media from around the country.
They would like to see a repeat of the Herculean effort that preceded the Super Bowl in 2006. The $12 million redevelopment project beautified three major streets, repaired building facades and spurred the opening of new condos, shops and restaurants.
"There's a lot that can be done," said Willye Simmons, 46, a carpenter who lives downtown. "We have too many buildings that need to be torn down."
For the Final Four basketball series, the city's goals are much more modest: replacing street lights, filling potholes, cleaning buildings and picking up trash.
The crippled economy has left both public and private coffers with less money than organizers would like for gussying up the city, they said. It has limited the amount of money local companies can donate for the event.
"We've had to make some adjustments downward because of the economy," said Bill Ryan, executive director of the Detroit Local Organizing Committee.
Still, Detroit wants to put its best face forward when all those visitors descend upon the city. And part of that will be showing its good side and hiding the bad.
Food left over from all the tournament-related parties will be donated to homeless shelters, Ryan said.
That way, the parties can help the dispossessed and give them an incentive not to bother visitors, he said.
Other eyesores, such as the site of the razed Statler Hotel on Grand Circus Park, will be surrounded by high mesh fences decorated with the images of Detroit landmarks.
Ann Lang, president of the Downtown Detroit Partnership, said she wasn't sure how many sites would be covered by the fences. But the number would be less than 20, she said.
"So people can look at that (Detroit landmark images) rather than an unattractive construction site," she said.
Woodward Avenue downtown is festooned by vacant buildings but some of the emptiness will be alleviated with festive window displays, officials said.
The 25 empty storefronts will feature displays that have been concocted by architects and interior designers consulted by the downtown agency, said Kate Beebe, an economic development consultant working with the agency.
Beebe wasn't sure what the displays will show. The material is being donated by local vendors.
"It's something interesting and attractive to look at and will enliven the whole street," she said.
The safety of all those visitors is paramount to event organizers so a major part of the preparation involves the repairing of street lights.
Six months ago, organizers identified the spots where visitors most likely would gather and inventoried every street light that wasn't working in those areas, said Ryan, the organizing committee director.
He said he was satisfied with the progress of all the preparation.
"It's a pretty significant effort," he said. "We think we're on track."
As for the sprucing up, the downtown agency will be bringing out their cleanup crews a little earlier this year, said Lang. The 60 workers travel throughout downtown, sweeping streets and power-washing buildings.
Also, Goodwill workers will be picking up litter along many streets, she said.
Because of the tight budget, state and city transportation departments will be helping the cleanup effort by using their own workers to pick up trash on local streets.
In other preparations, the city will be mending downtown streets and sidewalks, said George Jackson, president of the Detroit Economic Growth Corp.
The work is mundane maintenance that won't be visible to visitors but is important to the impression the city has on them, he said.
"It's not as grand a plan as the Super Bowl but definitely gives us a chance to do some sprucing up," he said.
Several temporary shops and eateries will pop up downtown just before the Final Four, just as they had before the Super Bowl.
Local residents would like to see such businesses become permanent.
"We need more businesses, more restaurants, more places to go," said resident Renee Flowers.
Well lit, clean streets, hidden eyesores, homeless people not bothering visitors, concern about the safety of others and shops and eateries just are not Detroit. It's like we're lying to people. :(
Detroit = Potemkin Village
Xavier vs. Pitt was a good game. I'm surprised Pitt pulled it out. The way they'd been playing had me expecting a choke.
Huskies look pretty damn tough unless you foul out the tree in the middle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlfnRsr6hU4
Destiny!
OK....probably not. Still a nicely done little clip.
Wow, Missouri is up 17! Definitely didn't expect this.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 26, 2009, 10:13:28 PM
Wow, Missouri is up 17! Definitely didn't expect this.
I did. Memphis is way over-rated thanks to their weak league and Missouri is strong. I thought Missouri had a real good chance to rock them. After all the Tigers won the Big XII tourney and were red hot.
Quote from: Valmy on March 26, 2009, 11:10:22 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 26, 2009, 10:13:28 PM
Wow, Missouri is up 17! Definitely didn't expect this.
I did. Memphis is way over-rated thanks to their weak league and Missouri is strong. I thought Missouri had a real good chance to rock them. After all the Tigers won the Big XII tourney and were red hot.
They went to the Championship game last year.
And three Big East teams into the elite 8.
Syracuse and Louisville will probably join them tommorow.
God I love watching Duke lose. Dick Vitale is crying himself to sleep once again.
If I cared more about Basketball, I'd be all over Villanova's bandwagon right about now.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 26, 2009, 11:12:12 PM
They went to the Championship game last year.
And all the best players from that team left last year also.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 27, 2009, 02:13:30 AM
God I love watching Duke lose. Dick Vitale is crying himself to sleep once again.
That was pretty sweet.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 27, 2009, 02:13:30 AM
God I love watching Duke lose. Dick Vitale is crying himself to sleep once again.
My darkhorse is really coming through for me. I thought they would beat Duke but I didnt think they would make Duke look that bad.
Well, my brackets are fucked, but it's worth it to see Duke lose and Mizzou win.
:pinchL I would like to change my answer to Throbby's question.
Wow. I am not even upset. That ass kicking was so thorough, so complete, and so inevitable from about 40 seconds into the game that I never even really got emotionally involved in the game. It was like an exhibition or something.
How did that team lose ANY games this year?
Neither of those games were interesting. What the hell was Syracuse thinking, jacking up all those quick, shitty threes?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 27, 2009, 08:49:04 PM
Neither of those games were interesting. What the hell was Syracuse thinking, jacking up all those quick, shitty threes?
That's pretty much their entire game.
I would love to see Louisville and Mizzou go at it.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 27, 2009, 08:51:01 PM
I would love to see Louisville and Mizzou go at it.
:ph34r:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 27, 2009, 08:49:04 PM
Neither of those games were interesting. What the hell was Syracuse thinking, jacking up all those quick, shitty threes?
That sucked I really wanted to see the Cuse go all the way.
The Elite Eight have been revealed.
CB and I watched the Kansas-MSU game at a local sports bar. I've never heard any song sung out of key so many times as I heard the Michigan State Fight song sung tonight. :bleeding:
The game was a nail biter; I didn't think Sparty was going to pull it off until the final two minutes. :)
The goofiness that is UK basketball:
http://deadspin.com/5188426/get-away-from-me-alan-cutler
The video is hilarious during the chase.
Elite Eight, baby!
Go Spartans! :punk:
Fucking Ones. <_<
The tournament's been so fucking boring the last two years.
It was painful watching the Cuse game. :cry:
Pitt looks to be the weakest 1 seed.
There was a hoops scene in the Brit flic Virtual Sexuality. It was like the basketball scene in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, except with two patient teams.
Quote from: charliebear on March 28, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
Elite Eight, baby!
Go Spartans! :punk:
Mighty Kansas has struck out. :punk:
Congrats Sparty!
Quote from: Vince on March 28, 2009, 06:55:19 PM
It was painful watching the Cuse game. :cry:
Sorry man I was pulling for them.
:w00t: Go Nova!
Only a genius would have picked Villanova.
Quote from: PDH on March 28, 2009, 08:54:42 PM
Only a genius would have picked Villanova.
happy for the cats, but fucks my bracket beyond repair i'm afraid, yep can't do better than 4th now.
I normally don't like to watch Basketball, but the little bits of pieces i've caught seem more entertaining then usual.
Quote from: PDH on March 28, 2009, 08:54:42 PM
Only a genius would have picked Villanova.
:smarty:
One of my brackets on ESPN is in the 96th percentile. :)
Louisville is trying to chip the paint off the rims with their shots.
Those sideline dugouts are a disaster waiting to happen.
Louisville, don't you dare disappoint me. :mad:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2009, 02:52:39 PM
Louisville, don't you dare disappoint me. :mad:
NICE JINX, DICK.
Zowie!
Good work Spartacus.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 29, 2009, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2009, 02:52:39 PM
Louisville, don't you dare disappoint me. :mad:
NICE JINX, DICK.
They were already losing when I wrote that.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2009, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 29, 2009, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2009, 02:52:39 PM
Louisville, don't you dare disappoint me. :mad:
NICE JINX, DICK.
They were already losing when I wrote that.
You are still a jinxing fuckwad who needs to be cockpunched everytime you open your goddamn 'rican mouth.
People like you sicken me.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 29, 2009, 03:37:17 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2009, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 29, 2009, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2009, 02:52:39 PM
Louisville, don't you dare disappoint me. :mad:
NICE JINX, DICK.
They were already losing when I wrote that.
You are still a jinxing fuckwad who needs to be cockpunched everytime you open your goddamn 'rican mouth.
People like you sicken me.
Wow! Izzo ruin your money bracket?
Well, I need North Carolina to go through to the final, then lose. That is now the only way I can win the Languish bracket. Of course, about the worst I can finish now is 2nd, maybe 3rd.
What a whipping, North Carolina looked great.
Quote from: PDH on March 28, 2009, 08:54:42 PM
Only a genius would have picked Villanova.
Why thank you.
HIDE YOUR COUCH, DETROIT, THE SPARTANS ARE COMING!
;)
Seriously, congratulations to Izzo and the Spartans, even in my office they destroyed everyone's brackets.
Final Four, baby!
Go Spartans! :punk:
Quote from: Savonarola on March 30, 2009, 08:28:44 AM
HIDE YOUR COUCH, DETROIT, THE SPARTANS ARE COMING!
I cannot believe you said this.
Quote from: Savonarola on March 30, 2009, 08:39:19 AM
;)
Seriously, congratulations to Izzo and the Spartans, even in my office they destroyed everyone's brackets.
Not mine! :smarty:
My Final Four now has two in (Michigan State and UNC) and two out (I had picked Duke and Memphis). I picked UNC to go all the way, but I'd be perfectly happy to see State win (especially since I've no money on this bracket).
I hope the MSU fuckers burn down their own campus.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 30, 2009, 06:14:25 PM
I hope the MSU fuckers burn down their own campus.
You never know!
Quote from: charliebear on March 30, 2009, 04:32:43 PM
Final Four, baby!
Go Spartans! :punk:
Indeed! I hope Izzo takes his Spartans to the promised land before coming to Arizona!
Honest question, why would he go to Arizona?
Quote from: katmai on March 30, 2009, 07:37:04 PM
Honest question, why would he go to Arizona?
Maybe because it is not freaking cold? Maybe because Arizona is a growing prosperous state and Michigan is a shrinking one?
Quote from: Valmy on March 30, 2009, 08:46:33 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 30, 2009, 07:37:04 PM
Honest question, why would he go to Arizona?
Maybe because it is not freaking cold? Maybe because Arizona is a growing prosperous state and Michigan is a shrinking one?
Arizona will be shrinking soon enough when they run out of water.
Quote from: Valmy on March 30, 2009, 08:46:33 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 30, 2009, 07:37:04 PM
Honest question, why would he go to Arizona?
Maybe because it is not freaking cold? Maybe because Arizona is a growing prosperous state and Michigan is a shrinking one?
The program is honestly on the verge of shambles. ( I hate even using such over the top language) but the university has kinda screwed themselves for next year at least as odds are good Budinger and Hill will leave for draft and no real recruiting class coming in because they had had the coach as Interim all year with it pretty much a foregone conclusion he wasn't going to be offered the job.
And this years team even though made Sweet 16 was just a .500 team in Pac 10 which has UCLA/USC/UW all with top 20 recruiting classes.
Quote from: katmai on March 30, 2009, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 30, 2009, 08:46:33 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 30, 2009, 07:37:04 PM
Honest question, why would he go to Arizona?
Maybe because it is not freaking cold? Maybe because Arizona is a growing prosperous state and Michigan is a shrinking one?
The program is honestly on the verge of shambles. ( I hate even using such over the top language) but the university has kinda screwed themselves for next year at least as odds are good Budinger and Hill will leave for draft and no real recruiting class coming in because they had had the coach as Interim all year with it pretty much a foregone conclusion he wasn't going to be offered the job.
And this years team even though made Sweet 16 was just a .500 team in Pac 10 which has UCLA/USC/UW all with top 20 recruiting classes.
Because it is Arizona, and absent about 4 other programs, it is still head and shoulders above any other program in the country as far as prestige and consistent winning is concerned. Who wouldn't want to take over where Lute has left off?
That being said, I don't really think Izzo is itching to leave MSU. But we would love to have him...I wonder what State is paying him?
Of course, Kentucky just blew the doors off of coaches compensation in the NCAA.
Izzo's been to the final 4 five times at MSU. Do you really think he could replicate that kind of success anywhere else?
Quoteauthor=Berkut link=topic=51.msg10378#msg10378
Because it is Arizona, and absent about 4 other programs, it is still head and shoulders above any other program in the country as far as prestige and consistent winning is concerned. Who wouldn't want to take over where Lute has left off?
That being said, I don't really think Izzo is itching to leave MSU. But we would love to have him...I wonder what State is paying him?
Of course, Kentucky just blew the doors off of coaches compensation in the NCAA.
He's a state employee so his salary is a matter of public record. He has base salary is $320,000 and he gets a yearly bonus of around $1,000,000 and he has a $4,000,000 bonus if he stays until 2010. Our governor gets paid $170,000; but, to be fair, he's had at least ten times better of a year than she has.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 30, 2009, 09:52:23 PM
Izzo's been to the final 4 five times at MSU. Do you really think he could replicate that kind of success anywhere else?
There certainly isn't anything about MSU that makes it more likely for him to get to a Final Four than some other real school. Like Arizona.
Short answer: Yes.
Woo! Go UNC. :bowler:
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 12:39:04 AM
There certainly isn't anything about MSU that makes it more likely for him to get to a Final Four than some other real school. Like Arizona.
Short answer: Yes.
Michigan has a better in-state recruiting pool than Arizona.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2009, 02:32:34 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 12:39:04 AM
There certainly isn't anything about MSU that makes it more likely for him to get to a Final Four than some other real school. Like Arizona.
Short answer: Yes.
Michigan has a better in-state recruiting pool than Arizona.
Top notch programs do not rely on in state recruiting though.
And if Michigan is in fact better than Arizona in regards to number of blue chips in state, it is a trivial difference.
Being close to Southern California (or Chicago) is much more relevant.
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 08:27:31 AM
Top notch programs do not rely on in state recruiting though.
And if Michigan is in fact better than Arizona in regards to number of blue chips in state, it is a trivial difference.
Being close to Southern California (or Chicago) is much more relevant.
I can think of very few programs that don't get *some* edge from local recruiting. Duke. Maybe Notre Dame.
You really think the difference between Michigan blue chips and Arizona blue chips is trivial? I'm no encyclopedia when it comes to either the college or pro games (as was amply demonstrated by my pool performance) but off the top of my head Michigan produced the Fab Five and Magic Johnson. Who has Arizona produced?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2009, 03:22:14 PM
You really think the difference between Michigan blue chips and Arizona blue chips is trivial? I'm no encyclopedia when it comes to either the college or pro games (as was amply demonstrated by my pool performance) but off the top of my head Michigan produced the Fab Five and Magic Johnson. Who has Arizona produced?
Howard was from Chicago, King was from Indiana, and Ray Jackson was from Austin, Texas baby!
Naturally the Austinite was the worst of the five. Austinites cannot play sports.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2009, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 08:27:31 AM
Top notch programs do not rely on in state recruiting though.
And if Michigan is in fact better than Arizona in regards to number of blue chips in state, it is a trivial difference.
Being close to Southern California (or Chicago) is much more relevant.
I can think of very few programs that don't get *some* edge from local recruiting. Duke. Maybe Notre Dame.
You really think the difference between Michigan blue chips and Arizona blue chips is trivial? I'm no encyclopedia when it comes to either the college or pro games (as was amply demonstrated by my pool performance) but off the top of my head Michigan produced the Fab Five and Magic Johnson. Who has Arizona produced?
Wait - what are we talking about here?
Players that came out of the school or went to school, or players that came out of the state?
Because only two of the Fab Five were born in Michigan.
And what does that have to do with anything anyway? Michigan State is not wining because some great players came out of Michigan 20 years ago.
Like I said, all elite basketball schools recruit regionally, if not nationally. Arizona seems to do just fine not having a Detroit in state to pull talent from.
Certainly I've never heard of it being a significant variable when it comes to where coaches want to coach at, unless it is somewhere REALLY bad like Hawaii or something.
It's okay folks Berkie is just going through LO withdrawl and denial that the program is going back to pre Lute Levels.
:P
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 03:33:26 PM
Because only two of the Fab Five were born in Michigan.
How many of Arizona's 1997 team were from Arizona? I am thinking...zero?
Quote from: Valmy on March 31, 2009, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 03:33:26 PM
Because only two of the Fab Five were born in Michigan.
How many of Arizona's 1997 team were from Arizona? I am thinking...zero?
Well Bibby went to HS in Phoenix, Dickerson and Terry were from Western Washington, Bramlett from Illinois. Miles Simon no idea.
Simon went to School in SO Cal.
Quote from: Valmy on March 31, 2009, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 03:33:26 PM
Because only two of the Fab Five were born in Michigan.
How many of Arizona's 1997 team were from Arizona? I am thinking...zero?
None that I am aware of - but then, I am not the one claiming that in-state recruiting is key to success.
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 03:55:50 PM
None that I am aware of - but then, I am not the one claiming that in-state recruiting is key to success.
Neither am I Throbama.
I said that it gives an edge.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2009, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 03:55:50 PM
None that I am aware of - but then, I am not the one claiming that in-state recruiting is key to success.
Neither am I Throbama.
I said that it gives an edge.
And I say it is trivial, unless you are somewhere really horrible.
Detroit is not the basketball gold mine it used to be anyway.
Calipari watch:
http://deadspin.com/5192345/calipari-watch-day-2-pretty-blonde-reporter-is-latest-victim-of-the-madness
Enjoy the comments in the pics.
I dreamt UCONN won.
I don't usually remember my dreams nor do I dream about Basketball. This could mean something.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 01, 2009, 07:14:15 AM
I dreamt UCONN won.
I don't usually remember my dreams nor do I dream about Basketball. This could mean something.
Wow...you dreamed of Basketball instead of Hockey? Canadian fail.
I dreamt Jessica Biel sat on my erect penis.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 30, 2009, 09:52:23 PM
Izzo's been to the final 4 five times at MSU. Do you really think he could replicate that kind of success anywhere else?
Is there any reason to believe a good coach would not do better at a better school - like Arizona? :P
Quote from: Savonarola on March 30, 2009, 09:57:34 PM
He's a state employee so his salary is a matter of public record. He has base salary is $320,000 and he gets a yearly bonus of around $1,000,000 and he has a $4,000,000 bonus if he stays until 2010.
I guess he is staying put until 2010. Is there anyway of knowing what kind of return on investment the public institution gets for that money?
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2009, 11:16:29 AM
I guess he is staying put until 2010. Is there anyway of knowing what kind of return on investment the public institution gets for that money?
Sure, all of Michigan State University's finances are a matter of public record.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2009, 11:16:29 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 30, 2009, 09:57:34 PM
He's a state employee so his salary is a matter of public record. He has base salary is $320,000 and he gets a yearly bonus of around $1,000,000 and he has a $4,000,000 bonus if he stays until 2010.
I guess he is staying put until 2010. Is there anyway of knowing what kind of return on investment the public institution gets for that money?
Of course, at a public university the finances are public domain.
Arizona, which is (last I checked) the #2 revenue producing basketball program in the country, generates something like $18 million/year from the basketball program.
That is why the elite schools are willing to pay elite coaches so much.
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 11:22:03 AM
Of course, at a public university the finances are public domain.
Arizona, which is (last I checked) the #2 revenue producing basketball program in the country, generates something like $18 million/year from the basketball program.
That is why the elite schools are willing to pay elite coaches so much.
I knew elite sports programs were big cash generators for the schools that do it well. But I was wondering about Michigan St. For example, how much of their revenue comes from local broadcast rights and to what extent do those revenues even exist in Michigan anymore?
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 11:22:03 AM
Of course, at a public university the finances are public domain.
Arizona, which is (last I checked) the #2 revenue producing basketball program in the country, generates something like $18 million/year from the basketball program.
That is why the elite schools are willing to pay elite coaches so much.
The most recent i could find was from Dec 2007 forbes articlewhere Arizona was #4 with $22mil value and $13.2 mil profit.
MSU was 16th with like $13.6 mil mavlue and $6.8 profit
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By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
49 minutes ago
EAST LANSING, Mich. – First and foremost Tom Izzo is a Michigan man – the state, not the school. Raised in the hardscrabble Upper Peninsula and a graduate of Northern Michigan, he’s spent all but a few months of his life working out of Michigan State, where he’s recruited nearly every big city and small town he says “from the tip of Detroit to Ironwood, Michigan.”
“I embody the state,” he said Tuesday. “I’m from here.”
Izzo is soaring, his Spartans making their fifth Final Four appearance under his stewardship, this time just down the road in Detroit.
The state, however, is hurting. The lifeblood auto industry is in shambles. Manufacturing job losses have been overwhelming. Highly skilled engineers, the kind they churn out at Michigan State, are being laid off.
When things were good in America, Michigan suffered a “one-state recession.” Now that there’s a 50-state one, well, it’s 12 percent unemployment state-wide, a catastrophic 22.5 percent in the City of Detroit.
Izzo, 54, has seen the tough times come and go around here, but nothing like this.
When he was a kid growing up in Iron Mountain, the area mines started closing. At least there was always the option of heading south to a factory in Saginaw or Macomb County. There was still the hope of the American Dream, the belief a guy with just a high school diploma could raise his family and send his kids to college.
Now the kids are out of work too.
“So many that have lost jobs,” he said, shaking his head.
I live outside Detroit. The whole place is on edge. Not just my friends who work on the line at an auto factory and are hoping to survive. It’s not that this time is any easier, but we’ve seen that. We’ve seen those jobs shipped overseas. Now though it’s the businesses that rely on them; the restaurants and shops and stores. The construction jobs. Now it’s the white-collar workers with the rug pulled out from them.
I have a friend who managed a plant that made axles for the Ford F-150. The F-Series was the best selling car or truck in America for years, often by 20 percent. That crack about Detroit not building products America wants? Not in this case. They could barely make enough of them.
Then last summer the price of crude goes through the roof for no physically tangible reason. It’s not like the world was out of oil. It’s not like it became more expensive to draw from the earth. It was all the market. Global oil speculators went crazy. Gas went to $4 a gallon. Everyone cut back on buying trucks. Not because the trucks aren’t great, but because of an out of control financial market.
My friend gets laid off, just like that.
It’s why everyone is in a daze, no idea what hit them or what will hit next. You study, you work, you do the right thing, you make the best truck, the most popular seller and it doesn’t matter. When the gas prices fell, it was too late. Now there’s a credit crunch. Next, who knows?
Everyone who lives here can tell you dozens of stories like that. Izzo too.
So all week when asked about the State of Michigan, the Michigan State coach takes the opportunity of a rare bully pulpit. Promoting his team can wait a few minutes. He wants to promote his people.
Not just alerting America to the problems here, but reminding them that all is not lost, that Michigan’s best asset remains its workers – skilled and unskilled, white and blue collar. Explaining that the state just needs a chance.
It has too much to offer to be forgotten, a place desperate for investment, home to a lot of folks who’ll work long hours to make truck axles, or computer programs or anything else you can dream up.
“It’s a blue-collar state,” Izzo said. “Michigan, it’s a pretty cool state to live in. We got the water. We got the change of climates. And we got Midwest people. I love Midwest people.”
The Spartans’ Final Four run is being hailed as a rallying point, a distraction and a ray of sunshine. It’s certainly a unifying experience. Even Michigan coach John Beilein has offered advice for preparing for Connecticut. Izzo is so likeable he’s won over all but the hardcore Wolverine fan.
College basketball can’t do much, but it can do this. It can temporarily lift spirits. It can create a little pride. It can allow fans to rally in downtown Detroit and cheer for something. The same thing will happen when the Red Wings churn up another run at the Stanley Cup.
“I think this is a great opportunity for the whole state,” Izzo said.
The thing that makes the Spartans different is so many of the players are homegrown. Izzo doesn’t just say he loves Midwest people; he proves it with his recruiting. He rarely ventures outside of the region. He’s got nine kids from Michigan on this team; Three more from Ohio.
He loves recruiting basketball players that also played football, who’ll understand why he does a sign of the cross after mentioning Bo Schembechler and Woody Hayes. He wants a certain characteristic. As much as anyone, he looks for a mind-set not a skill-set.
“That’s why I love Detroit, Flint,” he said. “Those guys didn’t have silver spoons in their mouth, that’s the way they’re raised. That’s the kind of guys I’m probably going to do better with.”
He was asked Tuesday if the Final Four would help him recruit nationally, he shrugged. “It might be able to open up doors. I’m not sure I’d walk through them.”
This is Michigan State. Playing in Detroit. Izzo will live and die with his guys, the Michigan guys. He hopes the rest of the country notices what his people, when given the chance, are capable of accomplishing.
Redemption! :D
And he is succesful despite that fact. Pretty good when he is competing against schools that can attract talent from outside their State.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 02:47:37 PM
Redemption! :D
Well the main reason i was posting the story was to say i'd be surprised by Izzo leaving for Arizona with such deep roots/ties to Michigan, that line was just icing on cake.
Oh and last rumor i did hear Berkie, Mark Few from Gonzaga to UA.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2009, 02:48:46 PM
And he is succesful despite that fact. Pretty good when he is competing against schools that can attract talent from outside their State.
Does being that tall deprive your brain of oxygen? Only reason i can see for such an odd arguement.
:P
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 02:47:37 PM
Redemption! :D
Well the main reason i was posting the story was to say i'd be surprised by Izzo leaving for Arizona with such deep roots/ties to Michigan, that line was just icing on cake.
Oh and last rumor i did hear Berkie, Mark Few from Gonzaga to UA.
Yep, that is what I am hearing as well. I'll believe it when he says so.
And your article is not at all redemption - the fact that Izzo does well recruiting in Michigan does not mean he cannot do well recruiting elsewhere. In fact, one of the cool things about Michigan this year is that they are accomplishing so much with guys who were not considered blue chip recruits - I don't think any of his starting 5 will have a significant career in the NBA, for example.
The argument that Izzo won't go to Arizona simply because he loves Michigan is a hell of a lot better claim.
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 02:50:50 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2009, 02:48:46 PM
And he is succesful despite that fact. Pretty good when he is competing against schools that can attract talent from outside their State.
Does being that tall deprive your brain of oxygen? Only reason i can see for such an odd arguement.
:P
You're right of course. The reason he is successful has nothing to do with recruiting kids from Michigan and everything to do with recruiting a giant from Serbia that can consistently hit the three ball.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2009, 02:54:04 PM
You're right of course. The reason he is successful has nothing to do with recruiting kids from Michigan and everything to do with recruiting a giant from Serbia that can consistently hit the three ball.
Kid is I think Bosnian and raised in Michigan.
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 02:53:45 PM
Yep, that is what I am hearing as well. I'll believe it when he says so.
And your article is not at all redemption - the fact that Izzo does well recruiting in Michigan does not mean he cannot do well recruiting elsewhere. In fact, one of the cool things about Michigan this year is that they are accomplishing so much with guys who were not considered blue chip recruits - I don't think any of his starting 5 will have a significant career in the NBA, for example.
The argument that Izzo won't go to Arizona simply because he loves Michigan is a hell of a lot better claim.
Since only the 2nd one is mine I'll declare a win!
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 02:53:45 PM
I don't think any of his starting 5 will have a significant career in the NBA, for example.
Goran Suton seems tailor made for the NBA. But I will agree with you on the rest.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 02:55:36 PM
Kid is I think Bosnian and raised in Michigan.
If by "raised" you mean now living there. :P
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 02:55:36 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2009, 02:54:04 PM
You're right of course. The reason he is successful has nothing to do with recruiting kids from Michigan and everything to do with recruiting a giant from Serbia that can consistently hit the three ball.
Kid is I think Bosnian and raised in Michigan.
Since HS yes.
El Chainsaw beat me to it.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 03:00:21 PM
El Chainsaw beat me to it.
Thats not raised. He was playing international ball in his homeland and came to the US to continue playing.
Hardly a local kid done good type story.
Izzo likes Michigan, and that is a damn good reason for him to stay.
The idea that he could not be successful, or even that he would be even marginally less successful, at Arizona is, quite frankly, idiotic. If anything, he could recruit much more effectively at Arizona.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
Hardly a local kid done good type story.
Closer to a local kid done good than to a Kevin Bacon discovers giant Bosnian shepherd type story. :blurgh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
Hardly a local kid done good type story.
Closer to a local kid done good than to a Kevin Bacon discovers giant Bosnian shepherd type story. :blurgh:
It isn't either.
Latest rumour is that Few was offered the job and turned it down.
Not terribly surprising, if it is true - he has turned down offers similar to Arizonas before. I think he is happy be a big fish in a small pond.
Capel is the latest rumor. Which would be fine, although I suspect he would be looking at Arizona as a stepping stone to Duke when Coach K retires.
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:10:05 PM
Latest rumour is that Few was offered the job and turned it down.
Not terribly surprising, if it is true - he has turned down offers similar to Arizonas before. I think he is happy be a big fish in a small pond.
Capel is the latest rumor. Which would be fine, although I suspect he would be looking at Arizona as a stepping stone to Duke when Coach K retires.
Few turning it down wouldn't surprise me yeah. Capel seems like a decent coach.
Oh and follows my point from a few days ago about it's gonna be tough two years or so for whomever takes over.
QuoteArizona's Pennell issues parting words
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TUCSON, Ariz. -- Russ Pennell knows he will most likely be coaching college basketball next year, just not at Arizona.
The surreal one-season ride of the former assistant coach and ex-radio broadcaster who was thrust into the head coaching role at one of the country's premiere basketball programs in October is winding down after last week's 103-64 loss in the Sweet 16 to Louisville.
"I asked [athletic director Jim Livengood] who the next coach was going to be and he wouldn't tell me," Pennell said Tuesday after an exit interview with Livengood.
Pennell, who cleaned out his McKale Center office on Monday, said he wishes the next coach nothing but the best, but likely wouldn't accept an assistant coaching position at the school.
"To me, I wouldn't think someone would even do that," said Pennell, who went 21-14. "I had a whole year of calling the shots, being the guy and I ... just think that would kind of be an awkward situation for everyone."
Pennell was named Arziona's interim coach on Oct. 25, one day after Hall of Fame coach Lute Olson announced he was stepping down due to health concerns.
Pennell was a radio broadcaster a year ago for Arizona State.
From the time he took over, Pennell knew his time guiding the program would be short-lived. He never even moved into Olson's office, opting to operate out of his assistant coach's office during the season.
Like most of the college basketball world, Pennell said he and UA were waiting to see what happened at Kentucky before their next moves. John Calipari agreed to take the Kentucky job Tuesday evening.
"I think a lot of guys in coaching right now are waiting to see how everything trickles down," Pennell said. "Everyone is sitting there watching the Kentucky thing and seeing what happens from there."
Pennell plans to leave Thursday for the Final Four, where there will likely be many conversations with potential suitors.
As for the future of the Arizona program, Pennell sent a word of warning to Wildcats fans.
"One of the things that is going to hurt Arizona for awhile is, basically, there have been three years missed on recruiting when you get right down to it," Pennell said. "Not that they didn't sign some good guys, they just didn't show up. So you've got some repairs to make in the recruiting world before Arizona can really get back to being Arizona."
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:03:21 PM
If anything, he could recruit much more effectively at Arizona.
Because...?
I figure there are four factors that influence recruiting.
Head coach's brand appeal. Obviously with Izzo that's a constant if he moves.
Brand appeal of the school. Obviously Michigan St.'s is higher right now, but I don't know how much of that is due to Izzo.
Amount and quality of beaver and size of black student body. Arizona does have some hotties, but what's black enrollment like?
Wealthy and cunning boosters who can provide wink wink summer jobs and such and escape NCAA scrutiny. No opinion either way.
Yi are you implying that white men can't jump?
Yep, no question that the streak ends next year. Kind of amazing how long they've managed to hold onto 20 win seasons, really.
One of the things I liked about the idea of Izzo coming would be to see Arizona go back to recruiting not just the uber blue chip, NBA bound superstars. I mean, you need some of those to go all the way, but I would love to see more guys like Jason Terry. The one and done class is so....NBA, and not at all what makes college basketball satisfying.
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:18:26 PM
Yep, no question that the streak ends next year. Kind of amazing how long they've managed to hold onto 20 win seasons, really.
One of the things I liked about the idea of Izzo coming would be to see Arizona go back to recruiting not just the uber blue chip, NBA bound superstars. I mean, you need some of those to go all the way, but I would love to see more guys like Jason Terry. The one and done class is so....NBA, and not at all what makes college basketball satisfying.
What i loved about both Brockman and Brandon Roy before him at UW
Of course Brandon tried to test waters even after his frosh season iirc, was smart enough to come back and only bettered himself by staying the full 4 years..
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 03:12:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:03:21 PM
If anything, he could recruit much more effectively at Arizona.
Because...?
I figure there are four factors that influence recruiting.
Head coach's brand appeal. Obviously with Izzo that's a constant if he moves.
Brand appeal of the school. Obviously Michigan St.'s is higher right now, but I don't know how much of that is due to Izzo.
Uhhh, no.
Arizona is a top-5 or top-10 national program over the last 20+ years. We are in the class with Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, etc., etc. We are Point Guard U. We have more guys in the NBA right now than almost any other school that isn't in North Carolina.
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Amount and quality of beaver and size of black student body. Arizona does have some hotties, but what's black enrollment like?
Right....I am sure black enrollemnt is a huge problem at Arizona. That must be why we cannot recruit any decent basketball players. Unlike Michigan.
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Wealthy and cunning boosters who can provide wink wink summer jobs and such and escape NCAA scrutiny. No opinion either way.
I think you don't know much about college basketball recruiting Yi.
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:21:41 PM
I think you don't know much about college basketball recruiting Yi.
OK. Educate me. What are the sources of Arizona's recruiting advantage?
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:21:41 PM
Uhhh, no.
Arizona is a top-5 or top-10 national program over the last 20+ years. We are in the class with Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, etc., etc. We are Point Guard U. We have more guys in the NBA right now than almost any other school that isn't in North Carolina.
Top 7
UCLA's run over last 10 years has knocked them back up to top of west coast.
It's Duke, North Carolina, Connecticut, Kansas, UCLA
Arizona is with likes of Michigan St.
After that you have Kentucky, Indiana, Florida if i had to make a list.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 03:23:36 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:21:41 PM
I think you don't know much about college basketball recruiting Yi.
OK. Educate me. What are the sources of Arizona's recruiting advantage?
Name brand, of course.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 03:23:36 PM
OK. Educate me. What are the sources of Arizona's recruiting advantage?
Tucson. The glamour and excitement is quite a lure.
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:21:41 PM
Uhhh, no.
Arizona is a top-5 or top-10 national program over the last 20+ years. We are in the class with Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, etc., etc. We are Point Guard U. We have more guys in the NBA right now than almost any other school that isn't in North Carolina.
Top 7
UCLA's run over last 10 years has knocked them back up to top of west coast.
It's Duke, North Carolina, Connecticut, Kansas, UCLA
Arizona is with likes of Michigan St.
After that you have Kentucky, Indiana, Florida if i had to make a list.
Meh, you can debate whether they are #1-8 I guess - you can make arguments for why Arizona belongs as much as any of the 5 teams you listed. It ends up coming down to bickering over where you draw your time cutoff.
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:35:34 PM
Meh, you can debate whether they are #1-8 I guess - you can make arguments for why Arizona belongs as much as any of the 5 teams you listed. It ends up coming down to bickering over where you draw your time cutoff.
Actually after reviewing i'd bump Zona over UConn. to sixth or so.
Final Fours since 1988
Duke-9 trips, 3 titles
North Carolina-8 trips, 2 titles
Kansas-5 trips, 2 titles
Florida-4 trips, 2 titles
UCLA & Arizona- 4 trips, 1 title.
UConn just has the fact of 100% with final four apperances and Championships. :P
We bump UCLA and Florida for consistency in the tournament. And Kansas chokes too much.
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:21:41 PM
Uhhh, no.
Arizona is a top-5 or top-10 national program over the last 20+ years. We are in the class with Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, etc., etc. We are Point Guard U. We have more guys in the NBA right now than almost any other school that isn't in North Carolina.
Top 7
UCLA's run over last 10 years has knocked them back up to top of west coast.
It's Duke, North Carolina, Connecticut, Kansas, UCLA
Arizona is with likes of Michigan St.
After that you have Kentucky, Indiana, Florida if i had to make a list.
Ain't no way Kentucky and Indiana are top tier national teams right now.
Here is a funny bit of trivia:
Arizona leads the nation in consecutive NCAA tourney appearances, at 25.
However, we are not even in the top 10 in total NCAA tourney appearances. We have....25.
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:46:34 PMAnd Kansas chokes too much.
I wish Texas could choke like Kansas does.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 01, 2009, 03:48:28 PM
Ain't no way Kentucky and Indiana are top tier national teams right now.
Read berkies assesment sunshine last 20+ years :p
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 01, 2009, 03:48:28 PM
Ain't no way Kentucky and Indiana are top tier national teams right now.
Read berkies assesment sunshine last 20+ years :p
I can't read. :weep:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 01, 2009, 04:16:15 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 01, 2009, 03:48:28 PM
Ain't no way Kentucky and Indiana are top tier national teams right now.
Read berkies assesment sunshine last 20+ years :p
I can't read. :weep:
Hence the job in HR.
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 03:48:33 PM
Here is a funny bit of trivia:
Arizona leads the nation in consecutive NCAA tourney appearances, at 25.
However, we are not even in the top 10 in total NCAA tourney appearances. We have....25.
Too bad the streak is about to end.
The problem for Arizona is that it might become one of those schools that used to be good but nobody goes there anymore.
Duke could go that way too if they dont handle the coach K departure properly.
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 01, 2009, 04:16:15 PM
I can't read. :weep:
Hence the job in HR.
:lol:
Watching Indiana was a hoot this year. Attack of the freshmen.
Dear Jesus,
I know I've been pretty rough on you at times, and even somewhat dis-respectful with the Carrot god and Dead Guy On a Stick comments and such. There may have been more, but you know that better than I.
I come to you as a beggar. A humbled man - a bare shell of what I once was. I come asking for your intervention. Your intercession. Your divine will to come down and make a looming travesty right.
Please dear Lord, do not let Jim Livengood hire Tim Floyd.
Signed,
Berkut
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2009, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 30, 2009, 09:52:23 PM
Izzo's been to the final 4 five times at MSU. Do you really think he could replicate that kind of success anywhere else?
Is there any reason to believe a good coach would not do better at a better school - like Arizona? :P
Oh really? How many final fours has Arizona since 1999?
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 09:34:49 PM
Dear Jesus,
I know I've been pretty rough on you at times, and even somewhat dis-respectful with the Carrot god and Dead Guy On a Stick comments and such. There may have been more, but you know that better than I.
I come to you as a beggar. A humbled man - a bare shell of what I once was. I come asking for your intervention. Your intercession. Your divine will to come down and make a looming travesty right.
Please dear Lord, do not let Jim Livengood hire Tim Floyd.
Signed,
Berkut
USC Tim Floyd?
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2009, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 09:34:49 PM
Dear Jesus,
I know I've been pretty rough on you at times, and even somewhat dis-respectful with the Carrot god and Dead Guy On a Stick comments and such. There may have been more, but you know that better than I.
I come to you as a beggar. A humbled man - a bare shell of what I once was. I come asking for your intervention. Your intercession. Your divine will to come down and make a looming travesty right.
Please dear Lord, do not let Jim Livengood hire Tim Floyd.
Signed,
Berkut
USC Tim Floyd?
:bleeding:
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2009, 09:46:18 PM
:bleeding:
Well you'll get some good recruits...that stay for one year and leave :lol:
Sorry Berkie but radio reports are saying Floyd to Zona is just about a done deal.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 01, 2009, 09:38:59 PM
Oh really? How many final fours has Arizona since 1999?
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 01, 2009, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2009, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 30, 2009, 09:52:23 PM
Izzo's been to the final 4 five times at MSU. Do you really think he could replicate that kind of success anywhere else?
Is there any reason to believe a good coach would not do better at a better school - like Arizona? :P
Oh really? How many final fours has Arizona since 1999?
How many titles has MSU had since 1997?
How many times have they gone to the tourney since 1984?
From an LA Times article about the two wildcat programs hiring new coaches this week.
QuoteKentucky is Alabama football, a program lost in perpetual time warp and flush with irrational exuberance.
Arizona is Florida State football, where the question is: What becomes of us after Bobby Bowden retires?
Bowden, like Olson, singularly made the program what it is.
The Tucson Wildcats are on the brink of possible oblivion.
Junior stars Jordan Hill and Chase Budinger are probably bound for the NBA, leaving the prospect of the school's first losing season since 1983-84, Olson's first.
The pressure is on, for once, in Tucson. In Lexington, pressure rises each day.
Folks are flooding into the D for the Final Four. Better put another pot of soup on the stove, 'cause company's coming. Sure glad we picked up around here.
From Andy Katz @ ESPN
QuoteArizona's interest in hiring Tim Floyd to replace Russ Pennell/Lute Olson isn't strange on the surface. Floyd has proved to be an excellent game coach over the years and knows athletic director Jim Livengood from decades ago when Floyd was at Idaho and Livengood was next door at Washington State. But there are a few interesting aspects to this:
Does Livengood have information on the ongoing NCAA investigation into USC that centers around former Trojan O.J. Mayo? The investigation isn't closed, as the enforcement staff continues to attempt to interview Mayo. According to multiple sources, Livengood wouldn't be privy to information on this case since it doesn't involve him.
So how concerned is Livengood with hiring a coach whose current program is under investigation while Arizona has a letter of inquiry dealing with a potential rules violation in connection to an on-campus high school hoop event in the spring?
Indiana got burned when it hired Kelvin Sampson from Oklahoma despite an NCAA investigation into the Sooners. Would the same thing happen to Arizona?
On Floyd's side, if there is more money at Arizona -- and because Arizona is more of a basketball school than USC -- the move might make sense. But Arizona is expected to be gutted and face an Indiana-like rebuilding situation. USC, even if DeMar DeRozan and/or Taj Gibson were to declare for the NBA draft, has more talent and continues to win at a high level.
So if you're Floyd, why go and start over?
I am not sure why Katz has such a consistent hard-on for Arizona.
So Berk, hearing now that Floyd said thanks but no thanks, and coaches at top of list were Capel, Miller from Xavier and Nevada's Mark Fox.
Quote from: katmai on April 02, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
So Berk, hearing now that Floyd said thanks but no thanks, and coaches at top of list were Capel, Miller from Xavier and Nevada's Mark Fox.
I didn't think there could be much worse than offering Tim Floyd the job.
I was wrong - he could say no.
What a freaking disaster.
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 02, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
So Berk, hearing now that Floyd said thanks but no thanks, and coaches at top of list were Capel, Miller from Xavier and Nevada's Mark Fox.
I didn't think there could be much worse than offering Tim Floyd the job.
I was wrong - he could say no.
What a freaking disaster.
You ask God to stop Floyd from taking the job and when God comes through for you, you just whine and bitch. Typical.
:P
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 02, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
So Berk, hearing now that Floyd said thanks but no thanks, and coaches at top of list were Capel, Miller from Xavier and Nevada's Mark Fox.
I didn't think there could be much worse than offering Tim Floyd the job.
I was wrong - he could say no.
What a freaking disaster.
Heh and Fox from Nevada is off list as he took Georgia job.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 02, 2009, 08:48:19 PMYou ask God to stop Floyd from taking the job and when God comes through for you, you just whine and bitch. Typical.
:lol:
I was about to say! Jesus came through for Berkut.
The traffic report yesterday evening stated that I-75 at 8 Mile was extremely congested because the team bus of one of the Final Four teams was headed toward Detroit. Now, we all know it had to be Michigan State, because I sure can't see UConn taking the bus to Detroit.
Nice game so far. :)
EDIT: One of my brackets is in the 95.3rd percintile on ESPN, 217,705th place! :lol:
I had 3 of the Final Four, only missed Michigan st.
Wow. Great, great game by the Spartans. Huge on the glass, forced a zillion turnovers.
Championship Game, baby!
Go Spartans! :punk:
Quote from: charliebear on April 04, 2009, 07:38:54 PM
Championship Game, baby!
Go Spartans! :punk:
I think it is nice that Izzo is going to leave you guys on such a positive note. It is that kind of class we need at Arizona.
I sure hope he's not leaving.
I hope their MSU's hotel catches fire.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 05, 2009, 08:42:01 AM
I hope their MSU's hotel catches fire.
Isn't that a bit on the mean side?
Quote from: charliebear on April 05, 2009, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 05, 2009, 08:42:01 AM
I hope their MSU's hotel catches fire.
Isn't that a bit on the mean side?
I'm here to shit on your chest and smear it on your face.
Quote from: katmai on April 05, 2009, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 05, 2009, 08:37:17 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 05, 2009, 08:36:06 AM
I sure hope he's not leaving.
Berkut's delusional.
Nah he's just showing he can tell a joke.
Really? I smell desperation, praying for someone to swoop in and save Arizona's program.
Quote from: Neil on April 05, 2009, 05:48:30 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 05, 2009, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 05, 2009, 08:37:17 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 05, 2009, 08:36:06 AM
I sure hope he's not leaving.
Berkut's delusional.
Nah he's just showing he can tell a joke.
Really? I smell desperation, praying for someone to swoop in and save Arizona's program.
Hey, all three can be true!
Apparenlty Miller is the latest coach to use the Arizona job to secure his current one.
I guess Lute left the program in a lot worse shape than anyone suspected - at least in the perception of the top tier coaches in college basketball.
At this point, I am thinking the best case scenario for Arizona is getting someone who can keep them relevant in the Pac-10. The days of Arizona being in the same league as Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas are over. Which means they were really over 3 years ago.
Jim Livengood:
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MSU is requesting that their fans wear WHITE tonight, instead of GREEN. Please make a note of this and dress accordingly.
Quote from: Berkut on April 06, 2009, 08:26:57 AM
Hey, all three can be true!
Apparenlty Miller is the latest coach to use the Arizona job to secure his current one.
I guess Lute left the program in a lot worse shape than anyone suspected - at least in the perception of the top tier coaches in college basketball.
At this point, I am thinking the best case scenario for Arizona is getting someone who can keep them relevant in the Pac-10. The days of Arizona being in the same league as Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas are over. Which means they were really over 3 years ago.
:console:
Quote from: charliebear on April 06, 2009, 12:38:19 PM
MSU is requesting that their fans wear WHITE tonight, instead of GREEN. Please make a note of this and dress accordingly.
Or just put on their normal vomit covered clothes.
Hey Berkie, now sounding like Miller will take the UA job.
Quote from: katmai on April 06, 2009, 01:38:39 PM
Hey Berkie, now sounding like Miller will take the UA job.
That seems to be the consensus all of a sudden. That would be awesome. I refuse to believe it can be true. Too much dissapointment already.
QuoteMore than 200 officers ready in East Lansing
Christina Stolarz / The Detroit News
East Lansing -- East Lansing police are anticipating a large but primarily cooperative crowd tonight at Michigan State University as the Spartans take on the North Carolina Tar Heels in the 2009 NCAA Championship.
But just in case, they will be prepared with more than 200 officers on hand to manage the crowd on mounted patrols, foot patrols and undercover, said Det. Lt. Kevin Daley with the East Lansing Police Department.
Daley said the officers don't carry any Taser weapons, but will rely on chemical munitions such as tear gas if necessary to break up a disorderly crowd.
"Those who are there that are true Spartans ... will have a great time," he said.
The department's expectations come on the heels of a minimal amount of problems -- about 60 arrests, half of which weren't MSU students -- Saturday night at the Cedar Village Apartment Complex after MSU defeated Connecticut at the Final Four, Daley said.
"We're very pleased with the response we had (from the crowd) on Saturday," Daley said. "When we broke up the crowd, usually you can't see the streets because they're so littered with trash."
More than 200 officers were on hand to manage the celebratory crowd, which included an estimated 1,500-2,000 students who partied at Cedar Village, he said. People were arrested Saturday night for a variety of reasons: indecent exposure, assault and three attempts at arson, he said.
"The people who were causing problems went to jail," Daley said. "We're finding out that our problems are not the MSU students. We have a lot of outsiders coming in. I don't know what their intent is when they come here, but if it's to be disorderly we're going to hold them accountable for their actions."
Aside from any crowd-related issues, Daley said he's just anticipating "a win."
Only 60 arrests in East Lansing after a final four win? The Spartans are not living up to their potential. :(
Quote from: Savonarola on April 06, 2009, 03:43:18 PM
Only 60 arrests in East Lansing after a final four win? The Spartans are not living up to their potential. :(
Keep in mind that it snowed today, and is cold. If a couch gets burned tonight, it's only because they're trying to stay warm.
Is Michigan the posh school and State the trash school?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 06, 2009, 04:00:43 PM
Is Michigan the posh school and State the trash school?
Isn't that the case for most?
Quote from: katmai on April 06, 2009, 04:03:34 PM
Isn't that the case for most?
I suppose. My contact with the public university system is somewhat limited so I'm asking.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 06, 2009, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 06, 2009, 04:03:34 PM
Isn't that the case for most?
I suppose. My contact with the public university system is somewhat limited so I'm asking.
That's right mr. jesuit and ivy leaguer.
Quote from: Berkut on April 06, 2009, 08:26:57 AM
Hey, all three can be true!
Apparenlty Miller is the latest coach to use the Arizona job to secure his current one.
I guess Lute left the program in a lot worse shape than anyone suspected - at least in the perception of the top tier coaches in college basketball.
At this point, I am thinking the best case scenario for Arizona is getting someone who can keep them relevant in the Pac-10. The days of Arizona being in the same league as Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas are over. Which means they were really over 3 years ago.
Does a coach really matter in basketball? Don't they just run from end to end doing fancy dunks?
Maybe you should apply for Arizona's coaching job.
Quote from: Neil on April 06, 2009, 04:39:43 PM
Does a coach really matter in basketball? Don't they just run from end to end doing fancy dunks?
Maybe you should apply for Arizona's coaching job.
If they leave the coaching box they're supposed to get a technical. HAR HAR HAR
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 06, 2009, 04:00:43 PM
Is Michigan the posh school and State the trash school?
Michigan creates astronauts and first class engineers. Michigan state produces layabouts and scum.
This sucks. North Carolina is completely destroying Michigan State.
Sure am glad we didn't have to settle for Izzo.
Quote from: Berkut on April 06, 2009, 09:04:03 PM
Sure am glad we didn't have to settle for Izzo.
:lol:
Well that could have gone better.
CB and I went to the same bar we watched the sweet 16 game at; the crowd was a little more subdued tonight.
Well, it looks like Strix will win the tourney.
Not a good game. The Spartans were not playing as well as they did against UConn, and UNC was outstanding.
But still, we have three freshmen on our team that now have incredible experience in regards to this tournament.
Quote from: charliebear on April 07, 2009, 08:55:17 AM
Not a good game. The Spartans were not playing as well as they did against UConn, and UNC was outstanding.
But still, we have three freshmen on our team that now have incredible experience in regards to this tournament.
It didn't matter. Michigan State could have played their best game ever while UNC just played an average game and they still would have lost. The only team that could have won or lost that game was UNC. If UNC had come out and played a real stinker than anyone could have beaten them.
Hard to believe all those Kansas fans thought Roy Williams couldn't win the big one.
Quote from: Strix on April 07, 2009, 09:05:37 AM
It didn't matter. Michigan State could have played their best game ever while UNC just played an average game and they still would have lost. The only team that could have won or lost that game was UNC. If UNC had come out and played a real stinker than anyone could have beaten them.
I think that this is correct. MSU overachived throughout the tournament, and one could argue that they overachieved staying even this close to a team that utterly crushed them in the regular season.
MSU fans should be happy with this result; there was simply no way they could have beaten NC without a miracle or a series of NC injuries. Getting to the game was their team's great achievement.
Quote from: Strix on April 07, 2009, 09:05:37 AM
It didn't matter. Michigan State could have played their best game ever while UNC just played an average game and they still would have lost. The only team that could have won or lost that game was UNC. If UNC had come out and played a real stinker than anyone could have beaten them.
Disagree. After the opening run State played them even, and that's while committing, what, 20 turnovers?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 07, 2009, 09:31:51 AM
Disagree. After the opening run State played them even, and that's while committing, what, 20 turnovers?
That happens in blowouts. It's very hard for the team in the lead to maintain focus and determination when the end result is already apparent. The team in the lead tends to get sloppy and start to make bad decisions and take chances. Which is why sometimes you have miracle comebacks because it's hard to regain that focus and determination once you let it go.
Of course, that didn't happen here.
Hehe, this is hilarious:
From Sean Millers facebook page:
QuoteAmy Schneider Wilkin at 4:41pm April 4
Hi there coach! I think it's a little sad, speaking as a XU fan, we weren't the first to post on your fan page ) We LOVE you and think you are a perfect fit for Xavier. You make us so very proud to be a part of such a top notch program. It is because of YOU we have such a high graduation rate. It is because of YOU we are highly respected in the... Read More A-10 conference. It is because of YOU there are so many XU proud and strong. We want you and only you to coach our Muskies to the Final Four next season and beyond. Thank you for an excellent job Coach Miller.
--From a Xavier fan and alum 1994
QuoteAmy Schneider Wilkin at 1:42pm April 6
I posted earlier how proud I was as a Xavier fan to have Miller as a head coach. BUT he has turned into a liar, out for money, fame and leaving a dust trail behind him. Good riddens to you Miller. I DO NOT wish you well. You have screwed us over, after saying you were staying. You down right lied, like Thad Matta did, and you do not even care?!?!
Arizona, good luck with this one. I bet he'll be there for 2 seasons until something better comes along.
I am always amazed people get that upset when somebody in sports gets a better job. I mean...it is this man's career not his religion.
Even though our beloved republic will have to put up with more Timmay style bandwagoneering with the Tarheels, at least the fucking Spartans lost.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 07, 2009, 09:49:37 AM
Even though our beloved republic will have to put up with more Timmay style bandwagoneering with the Tarheels, at least the fucking Spartans lost.
Where's the Big 10 love man? Where's the love?
Quote from: Valmy on April 07, 2009, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 07, 2009, 09:49:37 AM
Even though our beloved republic will have to put up with more Timmay style bandwagoneering with the Tarheels, at least the fucking Spartans lost.
Where's the Big 10 love man? Where's the love?
I despise Penn State and Michigan State. Any other Big Ten team would get at least an "attaboy" out of me.
Those two can go to hell. Plus I'm trolling a bit. There is chum in the water.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 07, 2009, 09:31:51 AM
Disagree. After the opening run State played them even, and that's while committing, what, 20 turnovers?
Its really hard to keep up the same intensity when you are blowing someone out.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 07, 2009, 09:53:04 AM
Those two can go to hell. Plus I'm trolling a bit. There is chum in the water.
You served on the Indianapolis, didn't you?
Quote from: PDH on April 07, 2009, 09:59:09 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 07, 2009, 09:53:04 AM
Those two can go to hell. Plus I'm trolling a bit. There is chum in the water.
You served on the Indianapolis, didn't you?
:lol:
Tim Floyd resigned today from USC
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31193876/
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 09, 2009, 09:01:19 PM
Tim Floyd resigned today from USC
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31193876/
Hopefully this will be the trigger to get the NCAA to butt-fuck the school's entire cheating athletic department.
Holy fuck, and to think we tried to hire that asshat. Christ. Talk about dodging a bullet.