http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturepicturegalleries/5900076/The-twenty-best-war-movies.html
You need to click 20 times to get them all, but I¡m going to spoil their cunning plan
20. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) / Lewis Milestone
19. The Dam Busters (1955) / Michael Anderson
18. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) / David Lean
17. Ice-Cold in Alex (1958) / J. Lee Thompson
16. The Longest Day (1962) / Ken Annakin, Bernhard Wicki, Andrew Marton and Darryl F. Zanuck
15. The Great Escape (1963) / John Sturges
14. Zulu (1964) / Cy Enfield
13. Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970) / Richard Fleischer, Kinji Fukasaku and Toshio Masuda
12. Cross of Iron (1977) / Sam Peckinpah
11. The Deer Hunter (1978) / Michael Cimino
10. Apocalypse Now (1979) / Francis Ford Coppola
9. Platoon (1986) / Oliver Stone
8. Full Metal Jacket (1987) / Stanley Kubrick
7. Good Morning, Vietnam (1987) / Barry Levinson
6. Schindlers List (1993) / Steven Speilberg
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998) / Steven Spielberg
4. Black Hawk Down (2001) / Ridley Scott
3. Pearl Harbour (2001) / Michael Bay
2. Jarhead (2005) / Sam Mendes
1. The Admiral (2008) / Andrei Kravchuk
No, I'm not crazy (well, perhaps I'm, but not enough to give no. 3 to 'Pearl Harbor' and 2 to Jarhead), and the very greatest war movie ever is
A biography of bloody Admiral Kolchak!!!!!!!!
If any list ever deserved a golden WTF with oak leaves, diamonds and swords, it has to be this one...
Yup, that top end is pretty fucking bizarre. And no A Bridge Too Far??
Um, that list is in chronological order.
I bame the Spick! He tricked me! :mad:
Quote from: Maximus on July 27, 2009, 07:24:02 AM
Um, that list is in chronological order.
That's a mere assumption, in no place does the Torygraph say that... perhaps they think the new is always better :P
Pearl Harbor? WTF? :cry: The fuckers even misspelled it.
Micheal Bay is on this list. Q.E.D.
This is bullshit.
Quote from: Threviel on July 27, 2009, 07:30:26 AM
Pearl Harbor? WTF? :cry: The fuckers even misspelled it.
Yeah, when I think of a list including the worst war movies I have watched, the first two titles coming to my mind are 'Pearl Harbor' and 'The Alamo' (the remake of 2004)
Chronological order does make sense. Hierarchies suck afterall.
I've never heard of this 'The Admiral'
That's just awful. I can only assume that they saw the dearth of good war movies in the last decade and added a few crap ones to balance the list out.
I must see Pearl Harbor.
:bleeding: Pearl Harbor is awful.
crap list. you don't put a movie that came out a year ago at the top of any list that is "all time"
Any list with Pearl Harbour on it is by default wrong.
Quote from: Syt on July 27, 2009, 12:43:18 PM
Any list with Pearl Harbour on it is by default wrong.
Worst acted big budget films of all time?
Pearl Harbor did have good modern destroyers in it.
Pearl Harbor wasn't all that bad. Perhaps too chick-friendly to be considered a war film, but :mellow:
Was there any actual combat in Schindler's List?
Good Morning, Vietnam (1987) is not very good. that movie is wallpaper around some good Williams' rants.
... no love for Bridge over Remagen. :sad:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 27, 2009, 12:55:16 PM
Pearl Harbor wasn't all that bad. Perhaps too chick-friendly to be considered a war film, but :mellow:
:mellow: It was not the chick-friendliness that made it a mediocre film.
Quote from: Valmy on July 27, 2009, 01:01:53 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 27, 2009, 12:55:16 PM
Pearl Harbor wasn't all that bad. Perhaps too chick-friendly to be considered a war film, but :mellow:
:mellow: It was not the chick-friendliness that made it a mediocre film.
Sure, it's mediocre and doesn't belong on the list. It still wasn't as bad as several of the posts were making it out.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 27, 2009, 12:58:13 PM
... no love for Bridge over Remagen. :sad:
None for Stalingrad or its 1950s predecessor "Hunde, wollt Ihr ewig leben" (literally: Dogs, do you want to live forever), either.
Did war not exist before the Zulu Wars?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on July 27, 2009, 01:22:47 PM
Did war not exist before the Zulu Wars?
You couldn't make as big of explosions back then and that is what the Telegraph loves most about war films.
Quote from: Syt on July 27, 2009, 01:15:57 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 27, 2009, 12:58:13 PM
... no love for Bridge over Remagen. :sad:
None for Stalingrad or its 1950s predecessor "Hunde, wollt Ihr ewig leben" (literally: Dogs, do you want to live forever), either.
I really liked Stalingrad. and Downfall. and Die Bruke.
Germans should make more war films (as opposed to, you know, making actual war):)
Quote from: saskganesh on July 27, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Germans should make more war films (as opposed to, you know, making actual war):)
They should do more of that to and send soldiers to help with NATO operations...
then make movies about those operations.
I'd like to see some Afghan War movies. It would be fascinating.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 27, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
I really liked Stalingrad. and Downfall. and Die Bruke.
You're forgetting Das Boot.
Stalingrad wasn't good.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 27, 2009, 12:55:16 PM
Pearl Harbor wasn't all that bad.
The ending credits were easy to read.
And a relief to get to.
Quote from: Valmy on July 27, 2009, 01:29:43 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 27, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Germans should make more war films (as opposed to, you know, making actual war):)
They should do more of that to and send soldiers to help with NATO operations...
then make movies about those operations.
According to our media, Bundeswehr recently took part in a "major offensive" (Großoffensive) of 300 Germans and 800 Afghans against Taliban near Kundus, involving "heavy equipment", i.e. mortars and
Marder APCs. :blush:
Quote from: Syt on July 27, 2009, 01:15:57 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 27, 2009, 12:58:13 PM
... no love for Bridge over Remagen. :sad:
None for Stalingrad or its 1950s predecessor "Hunde, wollt Ihr ewig leben" (literally: Dogs, do you want to live forever), either.
My favourite kraut quote, Big Freddy did some things with style.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 27, 2009, 01:35:44 PM
I'd like to see some Afghan War movies. It would be fascinating.
Try
The Beast. Mediocre, but it involves russians.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 27, 2009, 12:55:16 PMWas there any actual combat in Schindler's List?
For the truly discriminating Nazi fanboi, nothing beats the cleansing of the Ghetto.
Quote from: Alatriste on July 27, 2009, 07:20:04 AM
Cross of Iron (1977) / Sam Peckinpah
Another fucking woofer. God, that sucked.
Quote from: The Brain on July 27, 2009, 01:40:25 PM
Stalingrad wasn't good.
That's probably a blasphemous thing to say on this grognard list. That said I agree with you. I was really looking forward to it. But in the end, it just didn't seem to do it for me. I vaguely remember a long confusing scene of a bunch of guys walking around in the snow.
Enemy at the Gates was even better.
But that all said: Schindler's List? Since when is that a war movie? REally. It's a movie that takes place in the war, but I wouldn't classify it as a war movie.
Discuss.
Quote from: Josephus on July 27, 2009, 05:30:48 PM
But that all said: Schindler's List? Since when is that a war movie? REally. It's a movie that takes place in the war, but I wouldn't classify it as a war movie.
Discuss.
As I mentioned about, for the discriminating Nazi fanboi or typical anti-semitic European, the Ghetto scenes are ab-fab whacking material.
Definitely more of a war movie than Good Morning, Vietnam. WTF?
Didn't like Stalingrad either. Germans were to emo.
Where's my Thin Red Line? The Admiral, but no Yamato?
The Torygraph is smoking its socks. Pearl fucking Harbor? What, war movies = fiction to them?
No Bridge too far, Enemy at the Gates and Das Boot.
This is no list
I liked Paths of Glory was an interesting war movie I thought.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 27, 2009, 05:37:24 PM
I liked Paths of Glory was an interesting war movie I thought.
One of the best.
Quote from: Josephus on July 27, 2009, 05:30:48 PM
But that all said: Schindler's List? Since when is that a war movie? REally. It's a movie that takes place in the war, but I wouldn't classify it as a war movie.
Discuss.
Yeah seriously. If Schindler's List belongs on the list, Casablanca should top it.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 27, 2009, 05:35:38 PM
No Bridge too far, Enemy at the Gates and Das Boot.
This is no list
Fuck that Enemy at the Gates bullshit. Crap movie.
I suppose a movie like Spartacus is totally out since it apperently took place before the invention of war.
I think the whole genre of "war movie" is 20th century plus.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 27, 2009, 05:44:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 27, 2009, 05:35:38 PM
No Bridge too far, Enemy at the Gates and Das Boot.
This is no list
Fuck that Enemy at the Gates bullshit. Crap movie.
Sorry but the Russians do win the war. You need to accept that fact.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 27, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Sorry but the Russians do win the war. You need to accept that fact.
Shitty movie. Where were the T-34s rolling right out of the factories? Where was Chuikov? Bah. Crap movie.
Quote from: Barrister on July 27, 2009, 05:48:21 PM
I think the whole genre of "war movie" is 20th century plus.
I'd say Glory counts.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 27, 2009, 05:57:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 27, 2009, 05:48:21 PM
I think the whole genre of "war movie" is 20th century plus.
I'd say Glory counts.
Yes. Best Civil War movie in years, better than Gettysburg, which was merely a reenctor's whackfest.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 27, 2009, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 27, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Sorry but the Russians do win the war. You need to accept that fact.
Shitty movie. Where were the T-34s rolling right out of the factories? Where was Chuikov? Bah. Crap movie.
The first part with the Russians getting wasted was cool. After that, meh.
No John Wayne love? Where is They were Expendable and Flying Tigers?
Quote from: Strix on July 27, 2009, 06:04:57 PM
No John Wayne love? Where is They were Expendable and Flying Tigers?
Remember, English paper. They hate John Wayne, as his manly ways offend the limp wristed average Brit.
Kinda interesting to see that they skipped over Patton. Must have decided it was far too good to be a "war movie."
Quote from: grumbler on July 27, 2009, 06:24:48 PM
Kinda interesting to see that they skipped over Patton. Must have decided it was far too good to be a "war movie."
It was a character study.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 27, 2009, 05:34:05 PM
Didn't like Stalingrad either. Germans were to emo.
I don't know how long I've spent trying to figure out why Stalingrad didn't do it for me, but you've solved my problem. I can't believe I overlooked an answer as simple as 'too emo', but you're exactly right.
BTW if anyone has been put off from seeing Blackhawk Down due to the Jerry Bruckheimer involvement, don't. It's a very solid movie.
No Glory? Braveheart? :hide:
Quote from: Iormlund on July 27, 2009, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 27, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
I really liked Stalingrad. and Downfall. and Die Bruke.
You're forgetting Das Boot.
not the Real War (TM). :P
Quote from: Armyknife on July 27, 2009, 08:00:05 PM
Widening the category out somewhat, I think 'Lord of War' is in someways a pretty accurate portrayal of what that now passes for 'war' in much of the world.
The first 10 minutes of Blood Diamond. Chopping off hands and shit.
Dogs of War. great Walken work.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 27, 2009, 05:35:32 PM
Where's my Thin Red Line?
Maybe whoever made the list wasn't tripping the light fantastic when he was watching it. Otherwise, it's a bit disjointed.
"Woah, there's grass blowing, waves crashing, yeah... And then Nick Nolte shouting at some soldiers. Woah."You and Fireblade can smoke a jumbo and watch the movie together.
Quote from: Armyknife on July 27, 2009, 08:00:05 PM
Widening the category out somewhat, I think 'Lord of War' is in someways a pretty accurate portrayal of what that now passes for 'war' in much of the world.
Lord of War is a great fucking movie.
Quote from: Neil on July 27, 2009, 10:01:31 PM
"Woah, there's grass blowing, waves crashing, yeah... And then Nick Nolte shouting at some soldiers. Woah."
:lmfao: Best review I seen
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 27, 2009, 05:58:27 PM
Yes. Best Civil War movie in years, better than Gettysburg, which was merely a reenctor's whackfest.
QuoteYou know whats going to happen here in the morning? The whole damn reb army is going to be here. They'll move through this town, occupy these hills on the other side and when our people get here Lee will have the high ground. There will be the devil to pay! The high ground! Meade will come in slowly, cautiously. New to command. They'll be on his back in Washington. Wire hot with messages 'Attack! Attack!'. So he will set up a ring around these hills. And when Lee's army is nicely entrenched behind fat rocks on the high ground, Meade will finally attack, if he can coordinate the army. Straight up the hillside, out in the open, in that gorgeous field of fire. We will charge valiantly... and be butchered valiantly! And afterwards men in tall hats and gold watch fobs will thump their chest and say what a brave charge it was.
Oh but what an awesome whackfest it was.
No love for Flags of our Fathers or Letters from Iwo Jima eh?
I don't like war movies.
I liked High School Musical, Aquamarine, Escape to Witch Mountain, Appleseed, Ghost in the shell, the bridge to Therabitgia, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Hill, Terminator, She is the One, Rome, Most kurosawa's movies, Sidney White, etc.
Quote from: Siege on July 27, 2009, 11:53:09 PM
I don't like war movies.
I liked High School Musical, Aquamarine, Escape to Witch Mountain, Appleseed, Ghost in the shell, the bridge to Therabitgia, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Hill, Terminator, She is the One, Rome, Most kurosawa's movies, Sidney White, etc.
Ahem... it's Terabithia, Waverly Place and She's the One. :blush:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2009, 12:04:32 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 27, 2009, 11:53:09 PM
I don't like war movies.
I liked High School Musical, Aquamarine, Escape to Witch Mountain, Appleseed, Ghost in the shell, the bridge to Therabitgia, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Hill, Terminator, She is the One, Rome, Most kurosawa's movies, Sidney White, etc.
Ahem... it's Terabithia, Waverly Place and She's the One. :blush:
I see you have the same good taste I have...
Also, 17 Again was awesome too.
Quote from: Siege on July 28, 2009, 12:12:51 AM
I see you have the same good taste I have...
Recognizing the names doesn't mean I'd put them in a list of personal favorites. /shrug
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2009, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 28, 2009, 12:12:51 AM
I see you have the same good taste I have...
Recognizing the names doesn't mean I'd put them in a list of personal favorites. /shrug
Bullshit.
You just are afraid of the social stygma from recognizing that you like a nice good movie.
You don;t have to like stupid violent movies to be a man.
Quote from: Siege on July 28, 2009, 12:35:40 AM
Bullshit.
You just are afraid of the social stygma from recognizing that you like a nice good movie.
You don;t have to like stupid violent movies to be a man.
Yes, I'm obviously afraid of social stigma on Languish, that's why I created the persona of a an antisocial slacker who lives with Mama. :unsure:
Most of my all-time favorites have some amount of violence in them. Indiana Jones, The Godfather, Pulp Fiction, Bond movies, Star Wars, etc. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy a romantic comedy or drama every once in a while. :mellow:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 28, 2009, 12:43:26 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 28, 2009, 12:35:40 AM
Bullshit.
You just are afraid of the social stygma from recognizing that you like a nice good movie.
You don;t have to like stupid violent movies to be a man.
Yes, I'm obviously afraid of social stigma on Languish, that's why I created the persona of a an antisocial slacker who lives with Mama. :unsure:
Most of my all-time favorites have some amount of violence in them. Indiana Jones, The Godfather, Pulp Fiction, Bond movies, Star Wars, etc. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy a romantic comedy or drama every once in a while. :mellow:
Ok, say it with me:
I LOVE CHICK FLICKS!!!!!111
Quote from: Siege on July 28, 2009, 12:58:30 AM
Ok, say it with me:
I LOVE CHICK FLICKS!!!!!111
SIEGE LOVES CHICK FLICKS!!!!!111
YES I DO!!!!!!1111
Now, repeat after me:
I, Peter Wiggin, love chick flicks, and I am not afraid of the consequences of recognizing so.
Quote from: Siege on July 28, 2009, 01:06:11 AM
YES I DO!!!!!!1111
Now, repeat after me:
I, Peter Wiggin, love chick flicks, and I am not afraid of the consequences of recognizing so.
There are a few I "love" but as a whole the romantic comedy and romantic drama genres are low on my list.
Pussy.
Quote from: Siege on July 28, 2009, 01:20:52 AM
Pussy.
I'll admit to watching teenybopper movies occasionally as well. I recently saw Harry Potter 5 and the message sank in. I must not tell lies.
Quote from: Neil on July 27, 2009, 10:01:31 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 27, 2009, 05:35:32 PM
Where's my Thin Red Line?
Maybe whoever made the list wasn't tripping the light fantastic when he was watching it. Otherwise, it's a bit disjointed.
"Woah, there's grass blowing, waves crashing, yeah... And then Nick Nolte shouting at some soldiers. Woah."
You and Fireblade can smoke a jumbo and watch the movie together.
This coming from the guy that cries during
Forever Young.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 28, 2009, 04:58:11 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 27, 2009, 10:01:31 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 27, 2009, 05:35:32 PM
Where's my Thin Red Line?
Maybe whoever made the list wasn't tripping the light fantastic when he was watching it. Otherwise, it's a bit disjointed.
"Woah, there's grass blowing, waves crashing, yeah... And then Nick Nolte shouting at some soldiers. Woah."
You and Fireblade can smoke a jumbo and watch the movie together.
This coming from the guy that cries during Forever Young.
I've never even seen that movie. You must be thinking of someone else.
We could make a Languish list of great war movies.
I was thinking of assigning up to 5 votes per Languishite and up to 5 negative votes, i.e. war movies we absolutely hate. What do you think?
Sounds like a way to get a much better list. Though I'm sure there will be much flip-flopping and changing of votes as people mention movies that others have forgotten.
Sounds good.
I'll provisionally go with:
The Great Escape
Glory
Full Metal Jacket
Patton
I don't think flip-flopping and changing would be a problem. We stablish a finish date and let everyone edit his post as much as he likes...
Oh, another question. Do we divide periods, for example pre XX century, colonial & Great War, Second World War, and 1945 to the present, or that would be going too far?
Would "Red Dawn" count as a war movie?
Hmm... Tough call. Some of those would be too broad, some would be too narrow. Maybe just a general one size fits all category?
Anyone seen that Koren movie about the Korean War; Brotherhood I believe it was called?
Quote from: Syt on July 29, 2009, 01:53:10 AM
Anyone seen that Koren movie about the Korean War; Brotherhood I believe it was called?
Tae Guk Gi: The Brotherhood of War. No. I want to though. I saw it at Blockbuster a few times.
Although it was a 7-part miniseries, Generation Kill was excellent.
Quote from: Fate on July 29, 2009, 02:22:56 AM
Although it was a 7-part miniseries, Generation Kill was excellent.
As was BoB.
[timmah] Why isn't Letters from Iwo Jima on that list? :mad: [/timmah]
Kelly's Heroes should be on there.
Quote from: Syt on July 29, 2009, 01:53:10 AM
Anyone seen that Koren movie about the Korean War; Brotherhood I believe it was called?
Been sitting on my shelf for a year. I just haven't got around to watching it.
A friend of mine has lent me Tae Guk Gi... and Gallipoli too. I'm interested in both, but I wonder why I have forgotten everything about Gallipoli except the final race against the clock, with the music of J.M. Jarre IIRC...
Quote from: Alatriste on July 29, 2009, 01:05:45 AM
We could make a Languish list of great war movies.
I was thinking of assigning up to 5 votes per Languishite and up to 5 negative votes, i.e. war movies we absolutely hate. What do you think?
I was thinking about something like that too.
Maybe at firs we ought to narrow the playing field by having nominations and seconds until we get a list of 30 or 40 and then we vote on those movies.
How about this:
Start with the Torygraph list, then do a ladder. Propose a movie not on the list, match it up against one on the list. Vote. If the challenger wins you have a new list. Rinse, repeat.
I watched Die Brucke last night (it's been decades I think) and it holds up. The bridge fight scene seems to have been a strong influence on the bridge fight scene of Private Ryan. But without the happybittersweetending. It's just bitter.
Quote from: Syt on July 29, 2009, 01:53:10 AM
Anyone seen that Koren movie about the Korean War; Brotherhood I believe it was called?
Yeah, I saw that a couple years ago now, I guess it was. It wasn't too bad at all, from what I remember. I never got around to buying it though, for what that's worth.
Quote from: Syt on July 29, 2009, 01:53:10 AM
Anyone seen that Koren movie about the Korean War; Brotherhood I believe it was called?
basically a very graphic melodrama. well done but very predictable story about two brothers who start on the same side but wind up as opponents. it's ok, but not great.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 07:23:56 AM
How about this:
Start with the Torygraph list, then do a ladder. Propose a movie not on the list, match it up against one on the list. Vote. If the challenger wins you have a new list. Rinse, repeat.
Too much rinsing and repeating to be viable.
Did anyone consider Castle Keep?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 29, 2009, 05:43:49 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 07:23:56 AM
How about this:
Start with the Torygraph list, then do a ladder. Propose a movie not on the list, match it up against one on the list. Vote. If the challenger wins you have a new list. Rinse, repeat.
Too much rinsing and repeating to be viable.
You should ALWAYS rinse and repeat. ALWAYS.
So, infinite loop?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 29, 2009, 06:04:42 PM
So, infinite loop?
No. You will know when the time comes to not repeat.
What's Generation Kill?
Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 06:08:07 PM
What's Generation Kill?
It's you, baby. In so many ways.
Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 06:08:07 PM
What's Generation Kill?
It has Swedish actor Alexander Skarsgård, son of Stellan Skarsgård (you may remember Stellan from such classics as Deep Blue Sea and Exorcist: The Beginning).
I don't remember any movie by that name.
It must be one of those cheap direct-to-DVD movies.
Those ussually suck.
Quote from: The Brain on July 29, 2009, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 06:08:07 PM
What's Generation Kill?
It has Swedish actor Alexander Skarsgård, son of Stellan Skarsgård (you may remember Stellan from such classics as Deep Blue Sea and Exorcist: The Beginning).
Deep Blue Sea was great, minus the christian proselitist message.
Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 06:29:51 PM
I don't remember any movie by that name.
It must be one of those cheap direct-to-DVD movies.
Those ussually suck.
Yeah, that's the one. Now go back to whacking off to Zach and Cody while you force your wife not to eat for 3 days at a time.
Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 06:29:51 PM
I don't remember any movie by that name.
It must be one of those cheap direct-to-DVD movies.
Those ussually suck.
No shit.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 29, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 29, 2009, 06:04:42 PM
So, infinite loop?
No. You will know when the time comes to not repeat.
But the instructions specifically say. "Rinse.Lather. Repeat."
It does not say anything about stopping. :(
Quote from: Josephus on July 29, 2009, 06:49:51 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 29, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 29, 2009, 06:04:42 PM
So, infinite loop?
No. You will know when the time comes to not repeat.
But the instructions specifically say. "Rinse.Lather. Repeat."
It does not say anything about stopping. :(
Of course not. This is the final test. Once you solve this riddle everything else in life, from women to the stock market to the cheat code for Mike Tyson's Punch become no more of a challenge than velcrowing your shoes.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 05:49:16 PM
Did anyone consider Castle Keep?
wow. the trailer looks wild.
Quote from: Armyknife on July 29, 2009, 07:41:52 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 29, 2009, 07:09:47 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 05:49:16 PM
Did anyone consider Castle Keep?
wow. the trailer looks wild.
From what I recall too many of the production staff must have dropped acid during filming; rather floored and Lancaster didn't impress. :o
Bah, pooh on you. Totally awesome, surreal flick.
Then again, it does have Bruce Dern in it. And where there's Bruce Dern, there's some freaky fucking acid dropped.
Haven't seen it.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 29, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 29, 2009, 06:04:42 PM
So, infinite loop?
No. You will know when the time comes to not repeat.
Exactly. At some point you run out of viable contenders. There's already 10-15 movies on that list that will never be budged.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 29, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 29, 2009, 06:04:42 PM
So, infinite loop?
No. You will know when the time comes to not repeat.
Exactly. At some point you run out of viable contenders. There's already 10-15 movies on that list that will never be budged.
I count 6 unbudgables:
20. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) / Lewis Milestone
18. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) / David Lean
15. The Great Escape (1963) / John Sturges
14. Zulu (1964) / Cy Enfield
8. Full Metal Jacket (1987) / Stanley Kubrick
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998) / Steven Spielberg
Quote from: Fate on July 29, 2009, 02:27:56 AM
[timmah] Why isn't Letters from Iwo Jima on that list? :mad: [/timmah]
:unsure:
OH SNAP WE FORGOT "VICTORY"
Quote from: grumbler on July 29, 2009, 08:15:05 PM
I count 6 unbudgables:
20. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) / Lewis Milestone
18. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) / David Lean
15. The Great Escape (1963) / John Sturges
14. Zulu (1964) / Cy Enfield
8. Full Metal Jacket (1987) / Stanley Kubrick
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998) / Steven Spielberg
Apocalypse Now for sure. But generally you're right.
Shall we give it a go? Elaborated rules: like "Who's Hotter" first one to 7 yes votes wins. (Exact number can be amended.) After a change in the list copy and paste amended list, someone else gets to propose a nominee.
I'll start. I nominate A Bridge Too Far to replace Pearl Harbor.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 08:26:15 PM
Shall we give it a go? Elaborated rules: like "Who's Hotter" first one to 7 yes votes wins. (Exact number can be amended.) After a change in the list copy and paste amended list, someone else gets to propose a nominee.
I'll start. I nominate A Bridge Too Far to replace Pearl Harbor.
I enjoyed ABtF but recognize that it was more a great series of vignettes than a movie. But the competition is so weak that I will vote aye.
Are films that get voted down eligible for re-nomination? What about films that survive challenges, are they immune to further challenges? If not, people could sabotage the list. If so, the process could go on indefinitely. :mellow:
I'll agree with Bridge Too Far over Pearl Harbor.
I vote aye along with my shipmate.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 29, 2009, 08:15:05 PM
I count 6 unbudgables:
20. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) / Lewis Milestone
18. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) / David Lean
15. The Great Escape (1963) / John Sturges
14. Zulu (1964) / Cy Enfield
8. Full Metal Jacket (1987) / Stanley Kubrick
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998) / Steven Spielberg
Apocalypse Now for sure. But generally you're right.
Shall we give it a go? Elaborated rules: like "Who's Hotter" first one to 7 yes votes wins. (Exact number can be amended.) After a change in the list copy and paste amended list, someone else gets to propose a nominee.
I'll start. I nominate A Bridge Too Far to replace Pearl Harbor.
Obviously, I'll vote for A Bridge Too Far.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 29, 2009, 08:46:01 PM
Are films that get voted down eligible for re-nomination? What about films that survive challenges, are they immune to further challenges? If not, people could sabotage the list. If so, the process could go on indefinitely. :mellow:
I'll agree with Bridge Too Far over Pearl Harbor.
I think no movie is permanently added or removed. People could dick with the list, but they would be ignored (trying to replace Zulu with Das Boot, for instance, would not get a vote from me either way). The first thing to do is pick off the easy prey, like
Pearl Harbor.
Quote from: dps on July 29, 2009, 08:46:20 PM
Obviously, I'll vote for A Bridge Too Far.
Ditto.
I'd like to move that Schindler's List be disqualified.
http://www.moviefone.com/insidemovies/2007/03/07/best-war-movies/
A slightly better starting list maybe. Take a look. Still needs some work though.
I think they nailed #1.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 29, 2009, 08:46:01 PM
Are films that get voted down eligible for re-nomination? What about films that survive challenges, are they immune to further challenges? If not, people could sabotage the list. If so, the process could go on indefinitely. :mellow:
You can renominate a loser. You can rechallenge a challengee. To cut down on the spammery let's say the same poster can't nominate the same contender vs. same contender twice.
Sure, it's an open ended process.
2 more votes and Pearl is booted.
Gimmie Hopkins, Gould, Caan, Redford, Connery, Bogarde, Hackman, Olivier,Caine, Fox & Schell over Harnett and Affleck, and Beckinsale
Quote from: katmai on July 29, 2009, 09:05:22 PM
Gimmie Hopkins, Gould, Caan, Redford, Connery, Bogarde, Hackman, Olivier,Caine, Fox & Schell over Harnett and Affleck, and Beckinsale
I'll take Beckinsale over all the rest of those. :lol:
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 29, 2009, 06:54:33 PMOf course not. This is the final test. Once you solve this riddle everything else in life, from women to the stock market to the cheat code for Mike Tyson's Punch become no more of a challenge than velcrowing your shoes.
Wow.....Now I know why I have failed so miserably in life. :(
Anyways Bridge over Pearl Harbour
20. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) / Lewis Milestone
19. The Dam Busters (1955) / Michael Anderson
18. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) / David Lean
17. Ice-Cold in Alex (1958) / J. Lee Thompson
16. The Longest Day (1962) / Ken Annakin, Bernhard Wicki, Andrew Marton and Darryl F. Zanuck
15. The Great Escape (1963) / John Sturges
14. Zulu (1964) / Cy Enfield
13. Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970) / Richard Fleischer, Kinji Fukasaku and Toshio Masuda
12. Cross of Iron (1977) / Sam Peckinpah
11. The Deer Hunter (1978) / Michael Cimino
10. Apocalypse Now (1979) / Francis Ford Coppola
9. Platoon (1986) / Oliver Stone
8. Full Metal Jacket (1987) / Stanley Kubrick
7. Good Morning, Vietnam (1987) / Barry Levinson
6. Schindlers List (1993) / Steven Speilberg
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998) / Steven Spielberg
4. Black Hawk Down (2001) / Ridley Scott
2. Jarhead (2005) / Sam Mendes
1. The Admiral (2008) / Andrei Kravchuk
Most Glorious Monument of Military Filmmaking A Bridge Too Far
Someon else toss one in.
Patton to replace Jarhead. We'll go for the easy ones first.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 29, 2009, 08:58:28 PM
http://www.moviefone.com/insidemovies/2007/03/07/best-war-movies/
A slightly better starting list maybe. Take a look. Still needs some work though.
I think they nailed #1.
A bit better, but we have already started, so I think we should just stick with the existing list.
Don't agree about
The Longest Day, though. It was much ballyhooed because of the cast, but the story is actually not well-told here, IMO. Some great moments, but confusing and poorly paced.
Of course, my tastes are not everyone's. I thought
Apocalypse Now a snoozefest when Robert Duvall was not on-screen, for instance, and wouldn't even have it in my top-25, let alone #2..
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on July 29, 2009, 09:34:18 PM
Patton to replace Jarhead. We'll go for the easy ones first.
I was just typing up Patton to replace Good Morning, Vietnam, but will go with your choice. I vote aye.
Swofford ....you bastard, I've read your book! aka Patton over Jarhead.
Patton
Patton.
Still has the worst battle scenes ever filmed.
Yes on Patton
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
Patton.
Still has the worst battle scenes ever filmed.
Nope. That honor goes to
Battle of the Bulge.
Quote from: Armyknife on July 29, 2009, 10:24:18 PM
Didn't the M47s in both of those films see more 'action' than the tanks did in real life ?
Yes. In December 1944 only two German battalions had them, and neither was involved in the Battle of the Bulge.
Quote from: grumbler on July 29, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
Patton.
Still has the worst battle scenes ever filmed.
Nope. That honor goes to Battle of the Bulge.
Yeah. Even I, back then when I was a kid and I saw it for the first time, could tell those tanks weren't Tiger 2s.
Side question: What is the best Bulge movie in people's opinions? I'd say either A Midnight Clear (which is technically just prior) or Battleground.
I disagree about Jarhead, I felt it was a decent film. But we're talking tops of all time, so it doesn't make the cut.
Apocalypse Now is an allegory, not a war flick. War just happened to be the vehicle.
I vote for dumping Good Morning Vietnam and Schindler's List; not even war movies.
A Midnight Clear was a better a war movie than Bulge, which sucked.
Now Sink the Bismarck, now there was a war movie.
Quote from: grumbler on July 29, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
Patton.
Still has the worst battle scenes ever filmed.
Nope. That honor goes to Battle of the Bulge.
Amen. 2nd prize goes to
Midway, whose battle scenes weren't even made for the movie but pulled from
Tora! Tora! Tora!, for God's sake. At least Patton's scenes were made for the film.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 10:45:22 PM
Amen. 2nd prize goes to Midway, whose battle scenes weren't even made for the movie but pulled from Tora! Tora! Tora!, for God's sake. At least Patton's scenes were made for the film.
The battle scenes are way, way down on the list of things wrong with that movie! Only Henry Fonda's portrayal of Nimitz didn't suck.
Quote from: grumbler on July 29, 2009, 11:07:51 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 10:45:22 PM
Amen. 2nd prize goes to Midway, whose battle scenes weren't even made for the movie but pulled from Tora! Tora! Tora!, for God's sake. At least Patton's scenes were made for the film.
The battle scenes are way, way down on the list of things wrong with that movie! Only Henry Fonda's portrayal of Nimitz didn't suck.
What, you didn't enjoy the subplot with Chuckles Heston and his future slope daughter-in-law?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 10:43:24 PM
Apocalypse Now is an allegory, not a war flick. War just happened to be the vehicle.
Agree. Good film, but not in a "War film".
Quote from: Siege on July 29, 2009, 06:29:51 PM
I don't remember any movie by that name.
It must be one of those cheap direct-to-DVD movies.
Those ussually suck.
http://www.hbo.com/generationkill/
Generation Kill is a 7 part HBO mini-series detailing a group of Marines from the initial invasion of Iraq to the capture of Baghdad. It's of fairly high quality.
Quote from: Fate on July 30, 2009, 03:21:54 AM
http://www.hbo.com/generationkill/
Generation Kill is a 7 part HBO mini-series detailing a group of Marines from the initial invasion of Iraq to the capture of Baghdad. It's of fairly high quality.
It didn't air on Disney channel so Seige would never have heard of it.
Quote from: Armyknife on July 29, 2009, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 29, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
Patton.
Still has the worst battle scenes ever filmed.
Nope. That honor goes to Battle of the Bulge.
Didn't the M47s in both of those films see more 'action' than the tanks did in real life ?
I dunno, the M47 saw alot of action in the middle east and in the Pakistan-Indian war. I think they saw some action in Korea. Also against Godzilla.
Though I haven't seen Jarhead, I'll go with Patton to keep this thing moving(was 6-0 by my count). I'll put up Glory against Schindler's List. Mainly because Schindler isn't a war movie(and if we counted all the great movies about the periphery of wartime, the list would look completely different).
What about The Battle of Algiers? Banned in France.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 30, 2009, 04:13:03 AM
Though I haven't seen Jarhead, I'll go with Patton to keep this thing moving(was 6-0 by my count). I'll put up Glory against Schindler's List. Mainly because Schindler isn't a war movie(and if we counted all the great movies about the periphery of wartime, the list would look completely different).
Agreed, and +1 for Glory.
If you need another one, I'm in. Patton over Jarhead
Null vote. I haven't watched Jarhead, I will add it to my to-watch list, and can't decide between Schindler's List and Glory, both are great - and IMHO Schindler's List is a war movie... otherwise The Great Escape isn't a war movie, for example.
Quote from: Alatriste on July 30, 2009, 07:29:19 AM
Null vote. I haven't watched Jarhead, I will add it to my to-watch list, and can't decide between Schindler's List and Glory, both are great - and IMHO Schindler's List is a war movie... otherwise The Great Escape isn't a war movie, for example.
A story about POWs escaping from prison camp isn't quite the same as a story about a German guy nonviolently helping Jews escape the Holocaust through deception and bribery.
It's a tough call on Schindler's List; but really it's a film that takes place during the war about something that wouldn't have happened had it not been for the war. But is it a war movie? Is http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094331/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094331/) Wish You Were Here a war movie? Is Life Is Beautiful a War Movie?
The Great Escape is interesting for the purpose of this discussion. It's about soldiers. It's about prisoners of War. Is it a war film? Good question.
Maybe we need to come up with a definition first. I know we have a few lawyers here.
I know they aren't the most popular around here, but I almost only see English language films mentioned, when there are bucketloads of non English language war films that should be considered.
Just amongst Italian films, you have "Rome, Open City", "The Great War" and "Mediterraneo".
Also, does there have to be military action to be considered a war film? Is a film set in wartime, or in a war scenario, but without explosions, a war film?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2009, 10:45:22 PM
Amen. 2nd prize goes to Midway, whose battle scenes weren't even made for the movie but pulled from Tora! Tora! Tora!, for God's sake. At least Patton's scenes were made for the film.
Midway. Ouch, back when I was a kid amongst my christmas present one year I got a two video set of that and Tobruk (which I remember being alright).
Midway is just...horrid. Even for a Pacific War film (I've yet to see a good one).
One omission from the list I noticed: Battle of Britain. Now that was a awesome film.
a very narrow definition: how about "movies set in the 20th century that include scenes of soldiers fighting?"
this outs Glory, Zulu, Schindler, Great Escape, Wannasee Conference and many others.
Why limit it to 20th century wars, though? Glory was pretty good and had some excellent battle scenes.
Quote from: Josephus on July 30, 2009, 08:17:54 AM
It's a tough call on Schindler's List; but really it's a film that takes place during the war about something that wouldn't have happened had it not been for the war.
No it isn't, it is an easy call. It is not a war movie since it is not a movie about war, but about the Holocaust. It isn't a war movie any more than Casablanca is a war movie.
I watched Glory the other night on Netflix, since it is on the watch instantly list. It really is quite good, if over the top cheesy at times. And Denzel Washingtons character was just plain ridiculous.
Trip: I ain't fightin' this war for you, sir.
Colonel Robert G. Shaw: I see.
Trip: I mean, what's the point? Ain't nobody gonna win. It's just gonna go on and on.
Colonel Robert G. Shaw: Can't go on forever.
Trip: Yeah, but ain't nobody gonna win, sir.
Colonel Robert G. Shaw: Somebody's gonna win.
Trip: Who? I mean, you get to go on back to Boston, big house and all that. What about us? What do we get?
Colonel Robert G. Shaw: Well, you won't get anything if we lose.
I mean really - stuff like this makes me lose sympathy for the character.
Quote from: Josephus on July 30, 2009, 09:37:48 AM
Why limit it to 20th century wars, though? Glory was pretty good and had some excellent battle scenes.
simply because most war movies are set in the 20th century. it seems to me the zulus etc are out of place.
Glory has good battle scenes, but I found the dialoque and acting not so good. I agree with Berkut about the cheese. I think it sinks the movie as a drama, others probably do not care.
if we are not just 20th century, how about Bondarchuk's War and Peace?
look at Borodino. biggest cast of extras (120,000!) and horses for a "war" movie ever
Quote from: grumbler on July 29, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
Patton.
Still has the worst battle scenes ever filmed.
Nope. That honor goes to Battle of the Bulge.
Yes. The SS Panzer commander dying in the final battle by a rolling barrel of oil is not the kind of pay off most of us were looking for. Although I like the idea of SS Nazis being humiliated as they die, its not what you are looking for in a war movie.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 10:34:17 AM
Glory has good battle scenes, but I found the dialoque and acting not so good. I agree with Berkut about the cheese. I think it sinks the movie as a drama, others probably do not care.
:huh:
"Stripes on a nigger!? That's like tits on a bull!"*wipes away a tear* Classic.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 09:07:43 AM
a very narrow definition: how about "movies set in the 20th century that include scenes of soldiers fighting?"
this outs Glory, Zulu, Schindler, Great Escape, Wannasee Conference and many others.
I think Zulu is one of the all time greats.
A movie that would probably make my top 10 that may not have been mentioned (I haven't read the whole thread) was Master and Commander. Maybe a bit slow in parts and silly in others, but a great depiction of day to day life in the british navy.
Quote from: Caliga on July 30, 2009, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 10:34:17 AM
Glory has good battle scenes, but I found the dialoque and acting not so good. I agree with Berkut about the cheese. I think it sinks the movie as a drama, others probably do not care.
:huh:
"Stripes on a nigger!? That's like tits on a bull!"
*wipes away a tear* Classic.
Yeah, I would say there was a rather odd mix of really great dialogue
"You are pretty good with that Private!"
"Yes suh!"
"Reload."
...
"Teach them PROPERLY Mr. Forbes!"
and some stuff that is just...well, kind of silly. The entire conversation with Trip and the Colonel. And the Colonels bit about how there is more to fighting than rest...WTF? Why would any commander put the worn out and tired unit into the attack if he had fresh ones? Just because the commander asked?
Well... I dunno how accurate the movie is, but IIRC the soldiers of 54th really did refuse to accept their pay because it was lower than that of 'regular' regiments, as depicted in the film.
One thing I think is different is that the movie implies that the regiment was wiped out at the Battle of Ft. Wagner, but I think that's an exaggeration. It saw action later at Olustee, Florida... unlikely to have been the case if nobody survived the earlier battle in Charleston Harbor. -_-
Apparantly, Shaw was kind of like that though - a walking idealist at times filled with cheesey notions. He came from such stock too, his father said about the mass burial:
QuoteWe would not have his body removed from where it lies surrounded by his brave and devoted soldiers....We can imagine no holier place than that in which he lies, among his brave and devoted followers, nor wish for him better company – what a body-guard he has!
edit - he did indeed lead the boycott for pay, and some of his lines do come from the letters he wrote...I suspect he may have been really cheesey to know...
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2009, 09:43:51 PM
Patton.
Still has the worst battle scenes ever filmed.
Ok, I've forgotten about
Glory... with this comment YOU HAVE ANGERED ME SEVERELY. :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on July 30, 2009, 11:33:04 AM
Well... I dunno how accurate the movie is, but IIRC the soldiers of 54th really did refuse to accept their pay because it was lower than that of 'regular' regiments, as depicted in the film.
I am glad you mentioned that becuase, that scene is one of the ones that made me think the director or editor kind of sucked.
The refusing their pay things was fine. But you have this emotional crescnedo of anger that builds through it, then culminatesd in Shaw saying "If you men will not take pay, then neither will we!". You feel all righteously indignant and such.
Then, 2 seconds later, literally the same scene, its all "Yeah, our new uniforms have arrived!" and you forget all about being pissed that they are getting fucked out of their fair pay, because now they have nice blue uniforms!
WTF?
Quote from: PDH on July 30, 2009, 11:34:44 AM
Apparantly, Shaw was kind of like that though - a walking idealist at times filled with cheesey notions. He came from such stock too, his father said about the mass burial:
QuoteWe would not have his body removed from where it lies surrounded by his brave and devoted soldiers....We can imagine no holier place than that in which he lies, among his brave and devoted followers, nor wish for him better company – what a body-guard he has!
edit - he did indeed lead the boycott for pay, and some of his lines do come from the letters he wrote...I suspect he may have been really cheesey to know...
Yeah, but if that is the case, the mark of good film-making and storytelling is to make his cheesiness not seem so cheesy - to make it instead come across as epic and visionary.
Part of the problem is Mathew Broderick, I think. Hard to take him very seriously.
That kinda reminds me of Roger Ebert's comment about Walk The Line, where he said the one thing he really disliked about the movie was the scene where Johnny proposed to June onstage at some concert, because he felt it was so sappy and unrealistic... only to find out later Johnny did exactly that and the scene was a very accurate recreation of the event as eyewitnesses remembered it (IIRC it was a concert in Ontario someplace).
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 11:41:46 AMPart of the problem is Mathew Broderick, I think. Hard to take him very seriously.
I assumed that Broderick's casting was an intentional attempt to make Shaw seem like a thoughtful, sensitive anti-Patton.... but he mainly ends up coming across as a giant pussy.
Quote from: Caliga on July 30, 2009, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 11:41:46 AMPart of the problem is Mathew Broderick, I think. Hard to take him very seriously.
I assumed that Broderick's casting was an intentional attempt to make Shaw seem like a thoughtful, sensitive anti-Patton.... but he mainly ends up coming across as a giant pussy.
Indeed - I agree that they wanted someone who was NOT Mel Gibson - rather Shaw was a idealist, young, maybe even a bit naive. Which is fine (although I have no idea if it is accurate or not), but Broderick, like you said, often just comes across like a chump.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 30, 2009, 11:25:07 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 09:07:43 AM
a very narrow definition: how about "movies set in the 20th century that include scenes of soldiers fighting?"
this outs Glory, Zulu, Schindler, Great Escape, Wannasee Conference and many others.
I think Zulu is one of the all time greats.
A movie that would probably make my top 10 that may not have been mentioned (I haven't read the whole thread) was Master and Commander. Maybe a bit slow in parts and silly in others, but a great depiction of day to day life in the british navy.
Zulu is in my top 10 of all time for sure.
M&C. damn . I loved that flick. as answers to future trivia questions it is also likely 1) the movie with the most rope in a feature role and ... related 2) the movie with the most hemp in it. ;)
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 11:41:46 AM
Part of the problem is Mathew Broderick, I think. Hard to take him very seriously.
yes.
I vote present on Glory vs. Schindler.
if that's the choice, Schindler.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 01:19:33 PM
if that's the choice, Schindler.
It isn't, because Schindler isn't a war movie.
Quote from: Caliga on July 30, 2009, 11:42:04 AM
That kinda reminds me of Roger Ebert's comment about Walk The Line, where he said the one thing he really disliked about the movie was the scene where Johnny proposed to June onstage at some concert, because he felt it was so sappy and unrealistic... only to find out later Johnny did exactly that and the scene was a very accurate recreation of the event as eyewitnesses remembered it (IIRC it was a concert in Ontario someplace).
Things can be sappy and unrealistic and still true. See: Japan.
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 01:19:33 PM
if that's the choice, Schindler.
It isn't, because Schindler isn't a war movie.
then what is Yi on about? what is the accepted definition?
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 01:19:33 PM
if that's the choice, Schindler.
It isn't, because Schindler isn't a war movie.
then what is Yi on about? what is the accepted definition?
I already went over that.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 01:19:33 PM
if that's the choice, Schindler.
It isn't, because Schindler isn't a war movie.
then what is Yi on about? what is the accepted definition?
I dunno. Is Thin Red Line a war movie or a pile of stinking goo?
Quote from: The Brain on July 30, 2009, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 01:48:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 30, 2009, 01:19:33 PM
if that's the choice, Schindler.
It isn't, because Schindler isn't a war movie.
then what is Yi on about? what is the accepted definition?
I dunno. Is Thin Red Line a war movie or a pile of stinking goo?
Yes.
Anyone who thinks Schindler is not a war movie should feel free to vote in the challenger.
Interesting that Great Escape gets questioned but Kwai does not.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 01:53:44 PM
Anyone who thinks Schindler is not a war movie should feel free to vote in the challenger.
Interesting that Great Escape gets questioned but Kwai does not.
apparently it's Berkut's thread now. good luck.
How about we make a list of war movies and then vote from that list? There is no silver bullet here, we're gonna have to do it the hard way.
Quote from: The Brain on July 30, 2009, 02:03:10 PM
How about we make a list of war movies and then vote from that list? There is no silver bullet here, we're gonna have to do it the hard way.
What's the point in having a preliminary vetting stage? As things stand right now, if you think Schindler is not a war movie, you should vote for Glory, since we are voting on membership in the Languish top 20 war movies of all time.
One could argue that people who vote for Schindler are voting for an illegitimate choice, but if you want to have a discussion on which movies are war movies first you are just moving that debate to a different forum. Unless you want to cede authority on that question to Grand Ayatollah Berkut and his Guardian Council.
And it's all monumentally academic. Glory is leading Schindler 5-1 by my count.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 01:53:44 PM
Anyone who thinks Schindler is not a war movie should feel free to vote in the challenger.
Interesting that Great Escape gets questioned but Kwai does not.
Its drastically less good.
As is the whole of the war against Japan.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 02:45:50 PM
What's the point in having a preliminary vetting stage? As things stand right now, if you think Schindler is not a war movie, you should vote for Glory, since we are voting on membership in the Languish top 20 war movies of all time.
One could argue that people who vote for Schindler are voting for an illegitimate choice, but if you want to have a discussion on which movies are war movies first you are just moving that debate to a different forum. Unless you want to cede authority on that question to Grand Ayatollah Berkut and his Guardian Council.
And it's all monumentally academic. Glory is leading Schindler 5-1 by my count.
Agree that this question will answer itself.
Schindler's List for me--arguably a war movie, but unarguably better than Glory.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 30, 2009, 03:00:18 PM
Schindler's List for me--arguably a war movie, but unarguably better than Glory.
No question that Schindler is better movie.
But it isn't a better romantic comedy than Notting Hill, even if the SS officer did fuck that chick before he shot that kid.
Berkut, Cal, and Sask on my list for dissing Glory
Glory over List.
Quote from: katmai on July 30, 2009, 03:08:12 PM
Berkut, Cal, and Sask on my list for dissing Glory
Glory over List.
Hehe, it would certainly go on my personal list for favorite war movies.
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 30, 2009, 03:00:18 PM
Schindler's List for me--arguably a war movie, but unarguably better than Glory.
No question that Schindler is better movie.
But it isn't a better romantic comedy than Notting Hill, even if the SS officer did fuck that chick before he shot that kid.
Without a clear definition of what a war movie is, Schindler's List is in a gray zone (but I doubt anyone has put it in the romantic comedy genre). Rather than making a simple and rather arbitrary determination, why not consider it a borderline war moive, and thus dock it a few points for this thread? For example, I'd consider Band of Brothers to be inferior to Schindler's List, but I'd vote Band of Brothers in this poll.
Did you guys like 1992' Last Of The Mohicans?
Do you think colonial wars of the period were really like that?
Quote from: Siege on July 30, 2009, 03:14:17 PM
Did you guys like 1992' Last Of The Mohicans?
Do you think colonial wars of the period were really like that?
Yes.
Not likely.
Not a war movie.
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 03:15:57 PM
Not a war movie.
:lol:
A couple problematic scenes but overall pretty good.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 03:15:57 PM
Not a war movie.
:lol:
A couple problematic scenes but overall pretty good.
Last of the Mohicans is probably on my top-10 overall, actually. I love that movie.
Glory 6, Schindler 3. The tension is killing me.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 03:19:53 PM
Glory 6, Schindler 3. The tension is killing me.
Before you asplode, Glory is my vote.
20. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) / Lewis Milestone
19. The Dam Busters (1955) / Michael Anderson
18. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) / David Lean
17. Ice-Cold in Alex (1958) / J. Lee Thompson
16. The Longest Day (1962) / Ken Annakin, Bernhard Wicki, Andrew Marton and Darryl F. Zanuck
15. The Great Escape (1963) / John Sturges
14. Zulu (1964) / Cy Enfield
13. Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970) / Richard Fleischer, Kinji Fukasaku and Toshio Masuda
12. Cross of Iron (1977) / Sam Peckinpah
11. The Deer Hunter (1978) / Michael Cimino
10. Apocalypse Now (1979) / Francis Ford Coppola
9. Platoon (1986) / Oliver Stone
8. Full Metal Jacket (1987) / Stanley Kubrick
7. Good Morning, Vietnam (1987) / Barry Levinson
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998) / Steven Spielberg
4. Black Hawk Down (2001) / Ridley Scott
1. The Admiral (2008) / Andrei Kravchuk
A Bridge Too Far
Glory
Patton
ON the off chance that I was not counter, I am voting for Glory, of course.
I nominate Gallipoli over Good Morning, Vietnam.
Glory over Schindler
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 03:30:16 PM
I nominate Gallipoli over Good Morning, Vietnam.
I will vote Agallipoli over GMV, even though I have never seen it, since GMV is not a war movie.
:lol: You are clearly the Mahdi returned Throbs.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 03:34:29 PM
:lol: You are clearly the Mahdi returned Throbs.
That reminds me to watch
Khartoum again. Heston chewing up the scenery as Chinese Gordon? AWESOME.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 03:34:29 PM
:lol: You are clearly the Mahdi returned Throbs.
Someone has to be the voice of sanity around this place.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 03:30:16 PM
I nominate Gallipoli over Good Morning, Vietnam.
Not sure Gallipoli will stay on the list (too drawn-out at the start) but sure that GMV doesn't belong, so +1 for Gallipoli.
I vote Gallipoli. G 3, GM 0.
In future the nomination counts as one vote for the challenger.
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 03:15:57 PM
Not a war movie.
:lol:
A couple problematic scenes but overall pretty good.
Last of the Mohicans is probably on my top-10 overall, actually. I love that movie.
No kidding. When Chingachgook slaughters Magua, that's solid gold.
I vote: Gallipoli.
Quote from: Berkut on July 30, 2009, 03:18:39 PMLast of the Mohicans is probably on my top-10 overall, actually. I love that movie.
Daniel Day-Lewis is a GOD. :cool:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 02:45:50 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 30, 2009, 02:03:10 PM
How about we make a list of war movies and then vote from that list? There is no silver bullet here, we're gonna have to do it the hard way.
What's the point in having a preliminary vetting stage? As things stand right now, if you think Schindler is not a war movie, you should vote for Glory, since we are voting on membership in the Languish top 20 war movies of all time.
One could argue that people who vote for Schindler are voting for an illegitimate choice, but if you want to have a discussion on which movies are war movies first you are just moving that debate to a different forum. Unless you want to cede authority on that question to Grand Ayatollah Berkut and his Guardian Council.
And it's all monumentally academic. Glory is leading Schindler 5-1 by my count.
No we should make a list of all war movies.
OK.
Quote from: The Brain on July 30, 2009, 07:01:18 PM
No we should make a list of all war movies.
Let us know how this turns out. :cheers:
The problem with Glory is that it was mistitled.
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Quote from: The Brain on July 30, 2009, 07:01:18 PM
No we should make a list of all war movies.
Emmm...that might not be as hard as you might think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_films_and_TV_specials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_films_and_TV_specials)
and it lists Schindler :mad:
Surprised nobody has suggested Babylong Five: In the Beginning.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 30, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
Surprised nobody has suggested Babylong Five: In the Beginning.
War movies have to be based on something historical, right?
Otherwise they would be sci-fi, like Independence Day, Starship Troopers, etc.
Quote from: grumbler on July 30, 2009, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 03:30:16 PM
I nominate Gallipoli over Good Morning, Vietnam.
Not sure Gallipoli will stay on the list (too drawn-out at the start) but sure that GMV doesn't belong, so +1 for Gallipoli.
Agree. Vote for Gallipoli.
Red Dawn wasn't based on anything historical. Except Cold War propaganda, and Patrick Swazemeister as a teenaged commando is certainly not related to anything 'real'.
Quote from: Siege on July 30, 2009, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 30, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
Surprised nobody has suggested Babylong Five: In the Beginning.
War movies have to be based on something historical, right?
Otherwise they would be sci-fi, like Independence Day, Starship Troopers, etc.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 30, 2009, 08:49:23 PM
Red Dawn wasn't based on anything historical. Except Cold War propaganda, and Patrick Swazemeister as a teenaged commando is certainly not related to anything 'real'.[
Wolverine!!!11!
6-0
Alternate history of a real historical conflict stil counts as a war movie.
The moment you introduce typical sci-fi elements (aliens, zombies, time-machines, the future, etc.) is not longer a war movie, but a sci-fi flick.
Quote from: Siege on July 30, 2009, 08:58:47 PM
Alternate history of a real historical conflict stil counts as a war movie.
The moment you introduce typical sci-fi elements (aliens, zombies, time-machines, the future, etc.) is not longer a war movie, but a sci-fi flick.
Got to agree with Siege here.
Tim has murdered sleep. Tim shall sleep no more.
Quote from: The Brain on July 27, 2009, 09:08:58 AM
I must see Pearl Harbor.
Big Gobbler, awful.
Tora, Tora, Tora is MUCH better.
List is a total fail.
No Battle of Algiers?
Gallipoli?
Breaker Morant?
Army of Shadows?
Au revoir les enfants?
huge fail.
Europa, Europa
Das Boot
Spartacus
Quote from: citizen k on July 30, 2009, 09:41:31 PM
Europa, Europa
Das Boot
Spartacus
What's Europa, Europa about?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 30, 2009, 10:00:19 PM
What's Europa, Europa about?
Jewish kid passes as German in WWII.
Another vote for Gallipoli. GMV, war movie or not, is inferior.
So fantasy history is valid?
How about:
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Ran is shallow and boring as fuck and the wig is too silly. Go rewatch Kagemusha instead.
Battle of Algiers isn't a war movie. It was a police action.
The same goes for Vietnam movies. Congress never declared war.
Wasn't Günther Prien's U-47 supposedly sunk by HMS Wolverine? Makes you thimk.
Quote from: The Brain on July 31, 2009, 03:05:27 AM
Wasn't Günther Prien's U-47 supposedly sunk by HMS Wolverine? Makes you thimk.
Does it hurt to thimk?
20. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) / Lewis Milestone
19. The Dam Busters (1955) / Michael Anderson
18. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) / David Lean
17. Ice-Cold in Alex (1958) / J. Lee Thompson
16. The Longest Day (1962) / Ken Annakin, Bernhard Wicki, Andrew Marton and Darryl F. Zanuck
15. The Great Escape (1963) / John Sturges
14. Zulu (1964) / Cy Enfield
13. Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970) / Richard Fleischer, Kinji Fukasaku and Toshio Masuda
12. Cross of Iron (1977) / Sam Peckinpah
11. The Deer Hunter (1978) / Michael Cimino
10. Apocalypse Now (1979) / Francis Ford Coppola
9. Platoon (1986) / Oliver Stone
8. Full Metal Jacket (1987) / Stanley Kubrick
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998) / Steven Spielberg
4. Black Hawk Down (2001) / Ridley Scott
1. The Admiral (2008) / Andrei Kravchuk
A Bridge Too Far
Glory
Patton
Gallipoli
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 30, 2009, 10:03:39 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 30, 2009, 10:00:19 PM
What's Europa, Europa about?
Jewish kid passes as German in WWII.
I watched that movie when I was a kid, I only remember a few scenes, amongst them the one when they examine him in the classroom and determine that he's Baltic "not Aryan, but acceptable" and when he says that he had to tie his penis skin with a string to simulate having a foreskin in the showers. This last one creeped me up a lot.
Quote from: The Larch on July 31, 2009, 03:46:18 AM
I watched that movie when I was a kid, I only remember a few scenes, amongst them the one when they examine him in the classroom and determine that he's Baltic "not Aryan, but acceptable" and when he says that he had to tie his penis skin with a string to simulate having a foreskin in the showers. This last one creeped me up a lot.
I think no guy that sees that movie forgets the foreskin string. A little like Something About Mary.:p
My peepee is so huge, I'd need a good, strong hemp rope to get away with that trick.
Easy one. I nominate 'Battle of Britain' against 'Ice-Cold in Alex' (and I think I can surely bet no one of us remembers having watched that one)
Ice-Cold in Alex is one of those movies it's impossible to say anything negative about.
Vote BoB.
Ice-Cold in Alex is awesome.
There are far too many English WW2 European Theater flicks on the list.
Bang Rajan
Der Untergang
Letters from Iwo Jima
These films belong on any red blooded male's list. :bowler:
Oh yeah. Second Der Untergang... I don't usually think of that as a war movie, but I guess it is.
If we're gonna start talking about Jaron's penis, then this thread has ran its course. :lmfao:
I vote ICiA over BoB (which I found ponderous and, except for the air battles, boring). ICiA at least had interesting characters. It probably won't stay on the Top-20 list, but shouldn't be replaced by anything as weak as BoB (Sink the Bismarck might win me over, for instance).
I think this "Admiral" movie needs to be seen by someone before it can be on any list. Has anyone here actually seen it?
Another nomination - Stalingrad (German-language film made in the 90s).
Quote from: Caliga on July 31, 2009, 12:30:46 PM
Another nomination - Stalingrad (German-language film made in the 90s).
You nominate Stalingrad against...?
Quote from: Alatriste on July 31, 2009, 12:34:17 PM
You nominate Stalingrad against...?
Oh, I dunno...
Platoon, let's go with. It's overrated, and I hated the scene where Willem Dafoe gets shot a million times and keeps getting up.
All the shitty movies on that list and you put it up against one that deserves to be there???
Quote from: Berkut on July 31, 2009, 12:59:29 PM
All the shitty movies on that list and you put it up against one that deserves to be there???
All I know is that Stalingrad definitely needs to be there. The scene where the Germans are throwing around and slapping the Russian whore who keeps mockingly spreading her legs and saying, "When will you faggots fuck me?" is an all-time classic.
Platoon > Stalingrad.
Haven't seen the other movie, but I'll vote against Platoon.
I have not seen Stalingrad, so I vote for Platoon.
Platoon
Platoon over that movie that should have been so much better.
Quote from: Kleves on July 31, 2009, 01:06:57 PM
Platoon > Stalingrad.
DON'T ANGER ME. I'm in a bad mood. :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on July 31, 2009, 01:19:44 PM
DON'T ANGER ME. I'm in a bad mood. :mad:
Dude, Stalingrad kinda sucked.
Quote from: Kleves on July 31, 2009, 01:24:12 PM
Dude, Stalingrad kinda sucked.
I'm in a better mood now, so stop trying to provoke me. :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on July 31, 2009, 01:26:43 PM
I'm in a better mood now.
Must have been a good seven minutes you just had.
Quote from: Kleves on July 31, 2009, 01:28:41 PM
Must have been a good seven minutes you just had.
I was angered by a hapless RPG programmer who assumed that a data export would connect under my username rather than the username assigned to the app that does the freaking exports, even though the latter is stamped all over the import and change logs like thousands of times daily.
Quote from: Caliga on July 31, 2009, 01:31:31 PM
Quote from: Kleves on July 31, 2009, 01:28:41 PM
Must have been a good seven minutes you just had.
I was angered by a hapless RPG programmer who assumed that a data export would connect under my username rather than the username assigned to the app that does the freaking exports, even though the latter is stamped all over the import and change logs like thousands of times daily.
Don't get all worked up again!
I'm no longer angered because he fixed the problem once I schooled his n00b ass.
Quote from: Kleves on July 31, 2009, 01:24:12 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 31, 2009, 01:19:44 PM
DON'T ANGER ME. I'm in a bad mood. :mad:
Dude, Stalingrad kinda sucked.
The soldiers of the 6th Army agree. The movie was good, though.
Quote from: Caliga on July 31, 2009, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 31, 2009, 12:59:29 PM
All the shitty movies on that list and you put it up against one that deserves to be there???
All I know is that Stalingrad definitely needs to be there. The scene where the Germans are throwing around and slapping the Russian whore who keeps mockingly spreading her legs and saying, "When will you faggots fuck me?" is an all-time classic.
Female nudity? Yes, no?
I don't think she was nude, no. IIRC she was actually wearing some sort of fur overcoat and parts of a German uniform during the scene.
Quote from: Caliga on July 31, 2009, 02:41:00 PM
I don't think she was nude, no. IIRC she was actually wearing some sort of fur overcoat and parts of a German uniform during the scene.
Well, that sucks. A good rape scene makes me horny.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 31, 2009, 02:43:20 PMWell, that sucks. A good rape scene makes me horny.
They didn't even try to rape her. I think it was implied that she'd been raped alot (so I guess she was less of a whore than a sex slave), but the scene was toward the end of the movie and I think she wanted the Germans she was staying with to kill her, but they were so apathetic they didn't want to do that, much less fuck her. I think they all got drunk together and just kinda chilled. The obvious point of the scene was to show that the seige was nearly over and the Germans had given up caring about life.
You know what film has a GREAT rape scene?
The Entity :perv:
Quote from: Caliga on July 31, 2009, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 31, 2009, 02:43:20 PMWell, that sucks. A good rape scene makes me horny.
They didn't even try to rape her. I think it was implied that she'd been raped alot (so I guess she was less of a whore than a sex slave), but the scene was toward the end of the movie and I think she wanted the Germans she was staying with to kill her, but they were so apathetic they didn't want to do that, much less fuck her. I think they all got drunk together and just kinda chilled. The obvious point of the scene was to show that the seige was nearly over and the Germans had given up caring about life.
Goddamned german emo.
I suppose it could have been worse. I mean they could have had The Patriot up there. :lol:
Quote from: Cecil on July 31, 2009, 03:35:28 PM
I suppose it could have been worse. I mean they could have had The Patriot up there. :lol:
It was given Tarleton quarter. ;)
Suckinggrad vs Spittoon? :bleeding:
Quote from: The Brain on July 31, 2009, 03:39:37 PM
Suckinggrad vs Spittoon? :bleeding:
Tell us how you really feel?
The Passion of the Staff Stargeant was the only really bad scene in Platoon, and there were plenty of good scenes. Stalingrad had the massive silliness of the Russian girl and not that much positive. Platoon by two lengths. It will and should fall off the list eventually, but to a better movie than Stalingrad.
Nominating anew in the middle of a voting round could lead to chaos, but let's see how it goes. I'm keeping my eye on you Citgo Boy.:phear:
I can't remember Platoon. I'm fairly sure I watched it at some point. Haven't seen Stalingrad. So I'll pass on voting for either
Is it ok to nominate another film?
If so, I nominate Das Boot against The Admiral.
:weep:
Will the Admiral get the boot? :o
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 31, 2009, 04:20:58 PM
:weep:
It's nothing personal. :P
I haven't seen The Admiral, dunno if anyone here has so it's hard to justify it staying in the top 20 war films.
About 10 pages overdue since I've been busy, but FWIW:
Glory: War movie.
Last of The Mohicans: Not a war movie; it's a love story.
Platoon: War movie.
Schindler's List: Not a war movie.
Untergang: Not a war movie.
Votes go to Glory, Platoon.
Are we supposed to be voting on Battle of Britian vs Ice-Cold in Alex, or Platoon vs Stalingrad, or Das Boot vs The Admiral? Or all three at once?
Anyway, I'd vote for Battle of Britian, Platton, and Das Boot. Who's counting the votes, anyway? Yi?
I'll count the votes on BoB vs. Cold. The line jumpers can count their own fucking votes. <_<
Platoon > Gas Station Food.
Ice Station Zebra > Red Dawn
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 31, 2009, 03:59:11 PM
It will and should fall off the list eventually, but to a better movie than Stalingrad.
Agreed. Platoon so we can get this pathetic vote over with and move on.
Another two votes for 'Platoon' and 'Das Boot'.
Stalingrad was... I don't know why, but it felt pointless, empty, and I guess no one has watched 'The Admiral'; perhaps a great movie, perhpas a bad movie, but anyway doesn't belong in this list, it's too recent.
I've never actually watched "Platoon".
Quote from: Razgovory on August 01, 2009, 03:47:42 AM
I've never actually watched "Platoon".
Then why are you insane?
Quote from: The Brain on August 01, 2009, 04:26:23 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 01, 2009, 03:47:42 AM
I've never actually watched "Platoon".
Then why are you insane?
Copy of the Necronimicon in the Elementary school library.
Das Boot.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 01, 2009, 06:52:32 AM
Nuclear war flicks are their own genre.
Speaking of nuke flicks, I caught
Panic in Year Zero from 1962. Pretty dark for a flick from '62 on the effect on a family right after the nukes fly.
Ok Das Boot now has 4 votes. The Admiral has none so far.
I think Platoon has enough votes now, if it doesn't I'll give it one so we can get it out of the way.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 31, 2009, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 31, 2009, 02:41:00 PM
I don't think she was nude, no. IIRC she was actually wearing some sort of fur overcoat and parts of a German uniform during the scene.
Well, that sucks. A good rape scene makes me horny.
Speaking of....Who's your Avatar, Ed?
Battle of Britain 3, Ice-Cold in Alex 1.
My vote is for sale in all votes in this thread. Offers?
Ice Cold in Alex.
Quote from: Neil on July 31, 2009, 08:23:43 PM
Platoon > Gas Station Food.
Apples and oranges.
20. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) / Lewis Milestone
19. The Dam Busters (1955) / Michael Anderson
18. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) / David Lean
17. Ice-Cold in Alex (1958) / J. Lee Thompson
16. The Longest Day (1962) / Ken Annakin, Bernhard Wicki, Andrew Marton and Darryl F. Zanuck
15. The Great Escape (1963) / John Sturges
14. Zulu (1964) / Cy Enfield
13. Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970) / Richard Fleischer, Kinji Fukasaku and Toshio Masuda
12. Cross of Iron (1977) / Sam Peckinpah
11. The Deer Hunter (1978) / Michael Cimino
10. Apocalypse Now (1979) / Francis Ford Coppola
9. Platoon (1986) / Oliver Stone
8. Full Metal Jacket (1987) / Stanley Kubrick
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998) / Steven Spielberg
4. Black Hawk Down (2001) / Ridley Scott
1. The Admiral (2008) / Andrei Kravchuk
A Bridge Too Far
Glory
Patton
Gallipoli
Battle of Britain has died for lack of interest. Platoon beat off the challenge from Stalingrad. Das Boot is leading The Admiral 4-0. If Das Boot doesn't get any more votes in 24 hours that challenge too will be considered dead.
Please, no new nominations until the current round of voting is complete.
Das Boot.
I will also vote for the Boot. That makes it 6. One more and someone can nominate.
Boot.
Sink the Bismarck! over The Dam Busters (which is less the odd man out of this collection than Platoon, but it is more the lesser-known film like StB).
Sink the Bismarck!
Assuming (as I have just skipped 11 pages) that it is not too late.
"Ice Cold in Alex."
Quote from: Agelastus on August 08, 2009, 05:48:36 AM
Assuming (as I have just skipped 11 pages) that it is not too late.
"Ice Cold in Alex."
Too late.
The documentary also talked about how much money they can get for a casting of their naughty bits. I think it was in the range of 30K.
Dam Busters
I'm starting to doubt you'll find 7 people who have seen those films.
It's coming up on 24 hours since the last yes vote for Bismark.
The time stamp is central time, right?
20. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) / Lewis Milestone
19. The Dam Busters (1955) / Michael Anderson
18. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) / David Lean
17. Ice-Cold in Alex (1958) / J. Lee Thompson
16. The Longest Day (1962) / Ken Annakin, Bernhard Wicki, Andrew Marton and Darryl F. Zanuck
15. The Great Escape (1963) / John Sturges
14. Zulu (1964) / Cy Enfield
13. Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970) / Richard Fleischer, Kinji Fukasaku and Toshio Masuda
12. Cross of Iron (1977) / Sam Peckinpah
11. The Deer Hunter (1978) / Michael Cimino
10. Apocalypse Now (1979) / Francis Ford Coppola
9. Platoon (1986) / Oliver Stone
8. Full Metal Jacket (1987) / Stanley Kubrick
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998) / Steven Spielberg
4. Black Hawk Down (2001) / Ridley Scott
A Bridge Too Far
Glory
Patton
Gallipoli
Das Boot
Sink the Bismark! has died for lack of interest.
I nominate Lawrence of Arabia vs. Cross of Iron.
Larry
Lawrence of Alabia
The one with the homosexual.
So, why no John Wayne?
Quote from: grumbler on August 07, 2009, 09:08:53 PM
Sink the Bismarck! over The Dam Busters (which is less the odd man out of this collection than Platoon, but it is more the lesser-known film like StB).
Yeah, that's a great movie.
Ok, I am not sure if it's been mentioned and I am not really sure if it should be considered a "war" movie but how about Murphy's War starring Peter O'Toole?
Quote from: Strix on August 09, 2009, 03:27:08 PM
Ok, I am not sure if it's been mentioned and I am not really sure if it should be considered a "war" movie but how about Murphy's War starring Peter O'Toole?
If you want to nominate a movie wait until the current round of voting is finished, then also specify which movie currently on the list you want to challenge.
p.s. First to 7 wins.
Lawrence.
Late vote for Sink The Bismarck, dammit. Make it happen.
And get that godawful Deer Hunter off of there.
LoA.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2009, 07:43:05 PM
Late vote for Sink The Bismarck, dammit. Make it happen.
Not going to happen.
Were there any butt pirates in Cross of Iron?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 09, 2009, 08:17:59 PM
Were there any butt pirates in Cross of Iron?
Yes. Maximillian Schell busted the Lieutenant trying to Martify the enlisted newb.
Lawrence of Arabia
I love Cross of Iron, but I love Lawrence of Arabia more. Latter gets my vote.
Lawrence
20. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) / Lewis Milestone
19. The Dam Busters (1955) / Michael Anderson
18. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) / David Lean
17. Ice-Cold in Alex (1958) / J. Lee Thompson
16. The Longest Day (1962) / Ken Annakin, Bernhard Wicki, Andrew Marton and Darryl F. Zanuck
15. The Great Escape (1963) / John Sturges
14. Zulu (1964) / Cy Enfield
13. Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970) / Richard Fleischer, Kinji Fukasaku and Toshio Masuda
11. The Deer Hunter (1978) / Michael Cimino
10. Apocalypse Now (1979) / Francis Ford Coppola
9. Platoon (1986) / Oliver Stone
8. Full Metal Jacket (1987) / Stanley Kubrick
5. Saving Private Ryan (1998) / Steven Spielberg
4. Black Hawk Down (2001) / Ridley Scott
A Bridge Too Far
Glory
Patton
Gallipoli
Das Boot
Lawrence of Arabia
Open for nominations.
Did From Here to Eternity have battle scenes?
I think they get Tora-ed at the very end.
Ok, I'll put From Here to Eternity up against The Dam Busters.
From Here to Eternity dies for lack of interest.
j/k
In terms of *current* or *modern* war movies - I think The Hurt Locker would qualify; it is certainly the best war movie I've seen that actually takes place in the near-present.
Meh, is Lawrence of Arabia really a war flick? Honestly?
No. It's not.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 10, 2009, 02:09:54 PM
Ok, I'll put From Here to Eternity up against The Dam Busters.
The Damn Busters. FHtE sucked.
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the original Guns of Navarone.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 10, 2009, 05:02:30 PM
Meh, is Lawrence of Arabia really a war flick? Honestly?
No. It's not.
wtf? yes it is you silly crab cake eating mofo.
Dambusters.
Where Eagle's Dare.
Bridge Over the River Kwai.
There are loads better than their top-end! Saving Private Ryan should be in the top 3.
Quote from: katmai on August 10, 2009, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 10, 2009, 05:02:30 PM
Meh, is Lawrence of Arabia really a war flick? Honestly?
No. It's not.
wtf? yes it is you silly crab cake eating mofo.
Bullshit. It's a character study biopic. Kelly's Heroes, now there's a war flick.
Silly fools will tell me Dirty Dozen isn't a war film either next :rolleyes:
Quote from: katmai on August 11, 2009, 02:09:10 AM
Silly fools will tell me Dirty Dozen isn't a war film either next :rolleyes:
It's an exploration on race relations.
Quote from: Palisadoes on August 10, 2009, 11:12:22 PM
Where Eagle's Dare.
Bridge Over the River Kwai.
There are loads better than their top-end! Saving Private Ryan should be in the top 3.
[Mennonite]The original list is chronological.[/Mennonite]
From Here to Eternity dies for lack of interest, for real this time.
I nominate Breaker Morant vs. Ice-Cold in Alex.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 11, 2009, 04:42:42 PM
From Here to Eternity dies for lack of interest, for real this time.
I nominate Breaker Morant vs. Ice-Cold in Alex.
Breaker Morant
Breaker.
As much as I love Breaker Morant, come on now, people. We're talking war flicks, not courtroom dramas originally based on two act plays.
What the fuck is next, A Few Good Men?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 11, 2009, 05:53:12 PM
As much as I love Breaker Morant, come on now, people. We're talking war flicks, not courtroom dramas originally based on two act plays.
What the fuck is next, A Few Good Men?
A Few Good Men didn't take place during war.
Listen, why don't you post a list of the three movies ever made which qualify as honest-to-goodness war movies, then we can vote on the twenty that we like the most.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 11, 2009, 06:03:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 11, 2009, 05:53:12 PM
As much as I love Breaker Morant, come on now, people. We're talking war flicks, not courtroom dramas originally based on two act plays.
What the fuck is next, A Few Good Men?
A Few Good Men didn't take place during war.
Listen, why don't you post a list of the three movies ever made which qualify as honest-to-goodness war movies, then we can vote on the twenty that we like the most.
Fine, then. Casablanca. Had a war in it. Douche.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 11, 2009, 06:30:02 PM
Fine, then. Casablanca. Had a war in it. Douche.
Don't get all pissy just cuz I called after you went all in Teddy KGB.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 11, 2009, 05:53:12 PM
What the fuck is next, A Few Good Men?
Paths of Glory. :contract:
Have we covered Der Untergang yet? If Lawrence is a war movie, the Untergang is three war movies, and it is simply awesome
Quote from: Tamas on August 12, 2009, 01:44:16 AM
Have we covered Der Untergang yet? If Lawrence is a war movie, the Untergang is three war movies, and it is simply awesome
Sell your Eastern Euromutt Nazifanboism elsewhere, we're all stocked up here.
It is the best anti-nazi flick ever, dude.
Breaker Morant is not a war movie.
Is The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp a war movie?
Dudes, the "is it a war flick" question gets answered by the voting. If you think flick A isn't a war flick, vote for flick B. All this emo "Waaahh, you nominated a movie that isn't a war movie, if X is a war flick than so is Titanic!" shit gets old fast.
I agree that BM is a great flick but not a war flick, so vote for Ice Cold.
I don't think it has gotten old yet.
I vote for Alex, on the assumption that even though I haven't seen it, it is actually a war movie.
And Morant, you know, isn't. A war movie, that is. Like Titanic.
I vote Carlsberg.
I vote for the one worth voting for.
Quote from: grumbler on August 12, 2009, 12:15:56 PM
Dudes, the "is it a war flick" question gets answered by the voting. If you think flick A isn't a war flick, vote for flick B. All this emo "Waaahh, you nominated a movie that isn't a war movie, if X is a war flick than so is Titanic!" shit gets old fast.
I agree that BM is a great flick but not a war flick, so vote for Ice Cold.
:lol: Ooooooooooh, it's nowhere near old, baby.
Breaker Morant has died for lack of interest.
Quote from: grumbler on August 12, 2009, 12:15:56 PM
Dudes, the "is it a war flick" question gets answered by the voting. If you think flick A isn't a war flick, vote for flick B. All this emo "Waaahh, you nominated a movie that isn't a war movie, if X is a war flick than so is Titanic!" shit gets old fast.
I agree that BM is a great flick but not a war flick, so vote for Ice Cold.
Titanic is war-related. It involves a large ship, built in the same yard as the cruiser HMS Glorious and the carrier HMS Formidable.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 12, 2009, 05:39:27 PM
Breaker Morant has died for lack of interest.
Rule 303. :(
The Caine Mutiny to replace The Dambusters.
OK, Caine Mutiny.
I suggest that we reduce the number of votes needed to decide between movies. There aren't enough people still participating in this thread to require 7 votes. 5, maybe?
I vote Der Untergang.
Quote from: grumbler on August 12, 2009, 11:04:24 PM
The Caine Mutiny to replace The Dambusters.
Didn't The Caine Mutiny concern peace time training excercises? :huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 13, 2009, 01:26:32 AM
Quote from: grumbler on August 12, 2009, 11:04:24 PM
The Caine Mutiny to replace The Dambusters.
Didn't The Caine Mutiny concern peace time training excercises? :huh:
No.
Black Hawk Down is on FX right now.
I must say, Das Boot is hard to beat as best war movie and we are talking about the full version , none of that 120min shit they released for the US market...
Otherwise Band of Brothers, yes its a TV series but so was the original Das Boot...
The Patriot. :)
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on August 13, 2009, 11:59:04 PM
I must say, Das Boot is hard to beat as best war movie and we are talking about the full version , none of that 120min shit they released for the US market...
Otherwise Band of Brothers, yes its a TV series but so was the original Das Boot...
Das Boot put me to sleep.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2009, 08:18:35 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on August 13, 2009, 11:59:04 PM
I must say, Das Boot is hard to beat as best war movie and we are talking about the full version , none of that 120min shit they released for the US market...
Otherwise Band of Brothers, yes its a TV series but so was the original Das Boot...
Das Boot put me to sleep.
Your loss...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on August 14, 2009, 09:01:29 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2009, 08:18:35 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on August 13, 2009, 11:59:04 PM
I must say, Das Boot is hard to beat as best war movie and we are talking about the full version , none of that 120min shit they released for the US market...
Otherwise Band of Brothers, yes its a TV series but so was the original Das Boot...
Das Boot put me to sleep.
Your loss...
I know. I can watch that movie with Curt Jurgens and Robert Mitchum , but I think the subtitles affect me. :blush:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 10, 2009, 05:02:30 PM
Meh, is Lawrence of Arabia really a war flick? Honestly?
No. It's not.
:huh: Sure it is. Do you think Lawrence was in Syria getting fucked in the ass by Turks because he was on a fucking vacation?
...
Actually, he was kinda flaming, come to think of it. :blush:
Quote from: Caliga on August 14, 2009, 09:05:52 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 10, 2009, 05:02:30 PM
Meh, is Lawrence of Arabia really a war flick? Honestly?
No. It's not.
:huh: Sure it is. Do you think Lawrence was in Syria getting fucked in the ass by Turks because he was on a fucking vacation?
...
Actually, he was kinda flaming, come to think of it. :blush:
Heh, his
Seven Pillars of Wisdom was hilarious - full of not-so-repressed gayness. :D
No wonder Brits have a historical thing for the Arabs.
I still get a kick out of that NO PRISONERS! cavalry charge. Too bad most of the movie has to be fast forwarded through.
.tseretni fo kcal hguorht seiud ynituM eniaC
My computer actually typed that out in reverse order! I love it! :P
How about this, then: Patton over Platoon.
And, yes, Neil, I will get In Harm's Way on this list eventually.
Patton is already on the list, page 23.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 14, 2009, 08:18:35 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on August 13, 2009, 11:59:04 PM
I must say, Das Boot is hard to beat as best war movie and we are talking about the full version , none of that 120min shit they released for the US market...
Otherwise Band of Brothers, yes its a TV series but so was the original Das Boot...
Das Boot put me to sleep.
You have to remember, we've got a substantial European contingent here, and for them Das Boot is the end-all, be-all of warflicks. They can root for the Germans without feeling guilty, or letting people see them giggle, like during Schindler's List.
I nominate Paths of Glory against Black Hawk Down.
Black Hawk Down
Black Hawk Down.
Black Hawk Down. PoG deserves to be on the list, but not ahead of BHD. No depiction of a battle in which more than 1% of all US participants is awarded The Medal can be left off such a list, unless the movie truly sucks.
Come on, people. Platoon and The Dam Busters are still on the list, and The Battle of Algiers, The Caine Mutiny, and In Harm's Way are still off it!
Quote from: grumbler on August 15, 2009, 08:42:54 PM
Black Hawk Down. PoG deserves to be on the list, but not ahead of BHD.
Ditto.
BHD.
WTF, CdM; Breaker's a no-go, but PoG is a war movie?
Okay, that's five, and under the new rules that's enough.
In Harm's Way to replace The Dam Busters.
And if you have seen neither, IHW has Kirk Douglas, The Duke, and Patricia Neal (as well as Burgess Meredith and the usual supporting cast), directed by Otto Preminger and scored by Jerry Goldsmith. What the fuck else do you need, except to see it?
Quote from: Kleves on August 15, 2009, 08:49:25 PM
BHD.
WTF, CdM; Breaker's a no-go, but PoG is a war movie?
I considered that question for quite some time, and decided that yes, it is, but barely. Had a bit more combat in it. Not much more, but a bit.
And besides, tired of people bitching about my definitions of war flick versus court room drama.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 15, 2009, 09:11:37 PM
I considered that question for quite some time, and decided that yes, it is, but barely. Had a bit more combat in it. Not much more, but a bit.
And besides, tired of people bitching about my definitions of war flick versus court room drama.
I'd vote for PoG as a war flick, if it was presented as a real alternative (to, say, Platoon).
Now I'm lost. What are we supposed to be voting on now? Is there even a current nominee?
If not, I'll nominate Kelly's Heroes over Ice Cold in Alex, assuming that Ice Cold in Alex is even still on the list.
Quote from: dps on August 15, 2009, 11:06:03 PM
Now I'm lost. What are we supposed to be voting on now? Is there even a current nominee?
If not, I'll nominate Kelly's Heroes over Ice Cold in Alex, assuming that Ice Cold in Alex is even still on the list.
Can't do that until the issue of
In Harm's Way to replace
The Dam Busters is resolved or dies from lack of interest. We cannot have multiple choices floating at the same time.
Quote from: grumbler on August 16, 2009, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: dps on August 15, 2009, 11:06:03 PM
Now I'm lost. What are we supposed to be voting on now? Is there even a current nominee?
If not, I'll nominate Kelly's Heroes over Ice Cold in Alex, assuming that Ice Cold in Alex is even still on the list.
Can't do that until the issue of In Harm's Way to replace The Dam Busters is resolved or dies from lack of interest. We cannot have multiple choices floating at the same time.
The thing is, we
have had multiple choices floating at the same time, repeatedly, in this thread--which is the cause of my confusion.
Quote from: dps on August 16, 2009, 12:29:55 AM
The thing is, we have had multiple choices floating at the same time, repeatedly, in this thread--which is the cause of my confusion.
The source of your confusion is people who iignore the rules.
Just vote on the current proposal and, when it passes or fails, introduce your own.
This isn't rocket science. Ensign Yi laid out the rules pretty clearly at the start, and the only mod so far is five votes rather than seven.
It's 1 for PoG and 5 for Black Hawk Down.
I don't think PoG will get enough votes, I'll withdraw my nomination if someone wants to make another nomination.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 01, 2009, 06:58:03 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 01, 2009, 06:52:32 AM
Nuclear war flicks are their own genre.
Speaking of nuke flicks, I caught Panic in Year Zero from 1962. Pretty dark for a flick from '62 on the effect on a family right after the nukes fly.
Got it in a double bill with the Last Man on Earth (Vincent Price in the first I am Legend adaptation).
Not bad, not bad at all. Recommended for all survivalist fans :)
Quote from: The Brain on July 31, 2009, 02:51:39 AMRan is shallow and boring as fuck and the wig is too silly. Go rewatch Kagemusha instead.
Brain, is 'Kagemusha' one of your favourite films?
Since someone has dug up this thread...
QuoteThe film also depicts the love triangle between the Admiral, his wife, and the poet Anna Timiryova.
I now understand what it is named best "war" movie and why Pearl Harbor is also on the list. :P
It's been 15 years since the original post. :bleeding:
Have any movies come out in that time that deserve to go on the list?
Nope.
"Narvik" of Norwegian origin really does not cut it.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 12, 2024, 04:37:54 AMIt's been 15 years since the original post. :bleeding:
Have any movies come out in that time that deserve to go on the list?
It's not a new movie but there was a 2017 restoration and cinematic release which was when I first saw it - so Come and See. Extraordinary, horrifying film.
I think Dunkirk is very strong. Maybe American Sniper and Beasts of No Nation?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 12, 2024, 04:37:54 AMIt's been 15 years since the original post. :bleeding:
Have any movies come out in that time that deserve to go on the list?
1917?
There's the one where Wellington fought the Apaches in French cavalry uniforms. But I'd vote down because no John Wayne saying: "you better form up a square, pilgrim"
They Shall Not Grow Old deserves a mention.
Quote from: mongers on December 10, 2024, 11:37:31 PMQuote from: The Brain on July 31, 2009, 02:51:39 AMRan is shallow and boring as fuck and the wig is too silly. Go rewatch Kagemusha instead.
Brain, is 'Kagemusha' one of your favourite films?
I think the most fair answer is yes. It is flawed, but I've always liked it. Wish I could watch it in good quality somewhere.
Quote from: Syt on December 12, 2024, 09:32:16 AMQuote from: jimmy olsen on December 12, 2024, 04:37:54 AMIt's been 15 years since the original post. :bleeding:
Have any movies come out in that time that deserve to go on the list?
1917?
The story is too nonsensical IMHO.
Quote from: The Brain on December 12, 2024, 04:14:02 PMQuote from: mongers on December 10, 2024, 11:37:31 PMQuote from: The Brain on July 31, 2009, 02:51:39 AMRan is shallow and boring as fuck and the wig is too silly. Go rewatch Kagemusha instead.
Brain, is 'Kagemusha' one of your favourite films?
I think the most fair answer is yes. It is flawed, but I've always liked it. Wish I could watch it in good quality somewhere.
Yes I felt it was missing something, as I watched the Coppola/Lucas sponsored international release and the latter part of the film seamed to only have 25-50% of the necessary subtitles. :hmm:
Quote from: The Brain on December 12, 2024, 04:14:33 PMQuote from: Syt on December 12, 2024, 09:32:16 AMQuote from: jimmy olsen on December 12, 2024, 04:37:54 AMIt's been 15 years since the original post. :bleeding:
Have any movies come out in that time that deserve to go on the list?
1917?
The story is too nonsensical IMHO.
They put Pearl Harbour at #3. 1917 is more a much better film than Pearl Harbour.
Okay, I will give a thumbs up to "1917" deserving at least a mention. And "Pearl Harbor" is a movie that will be banned under my dictatorship, at least.
Quote from: Norgy on December 12, 2024, 09:37:14 PMAnd "Pearl Harbor" is a movie that will be banned under my dictatorship, at least.
After some reflection, I'd like to change my nomination to Greyhound
1917 has style points, but very much style over substance, the way the whole thing 'flows' and they get through German lines into another British line is just....wut?
Dunkirk on the other hand is excellent.