Oooh, this is, like, so Cuban Missile Crisis.
:mad: You mean we can't support any coups until there's a new President?
Does it really need it's own thread?!?!
:rolleyes:
:hmm:
No hints anywhere on the net, this is apparently coming out of the blue.
I sure as shit hope the Soviets haven't put ballistic missiles in Libya.
National Security but not Libya.
Invasion of Canada to stop the NDP wave?
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 09:36:12 PM
Does it really need it's own thread?!?!
:rolleyes:
No.
It needs....
A MEGATHREAD!!!!1111oneoneoneeleventyoneyokoono
Keeping my fingers crossed...
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a "grave" cia operation overseas, apparently
I sure hope he at least waits until after Celebrity Apprentice. Nene and Star are going to fight this one for the ages.
Bin Laden dead? :huh:
that's what they're hinting at now :hmm:
Quote from: Habbaku on May 01, 2011, 09:41:14 PM
Bin Laden dead? :huh:
That would be lovely, but I think it's either: whacking the family of famous Libyans, or Syria.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 09:42:22 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 01, 2011, 09:41:14 PM
Bin Laden dead? :huh:
That would be lovely, but I think it's either: whacking the family of famous Libyans, or Syria.
That seems a bit far-fetched for 10:40 PM EST on a Sunday.
Quote from: Habbaku on May 01, 2011, 09:41:14 PM
Bin Laden dead? :huh:
Yeah what CNN is hinting at.
We start bombing Russia in 10 minutes.
GOD BLESS MOTHERFUCKING AMERICA
YOU FILTHY FUCKING SAUDI FUCK, I HOPE IT BURNED
Quote from: Fireblade on May 01, 2011, 09:44:58 PM
We start bombing Russia in 10 minutes.
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:)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 09:48:24 PM
GOD BLESS MOTHERFUCKING AMERICA
YOU FILTHY FUCKING SAUDI FUCK, I HOPE IT BURNED
He probably died from natural causes and they just found em.
:P
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 09:49:40 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 09:48:24 PM
GOD BLESS MOTHERFUCKING AMERICA
YOU FILTHY FUCKING SAUDI FUCK, I HOPE IT BURNED
He probably died from natural causes and they just found em.
:P
Direct CIA operation, you filthy snowican.
VICTORY!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 09:49:40 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 09:48:24 PM
GOD BLESS MOTHERFUCKING AMERICA
YOU FILTHY FUCKING SAUDI FUCK, I HOPE IT BURNED
He probably died from natural causes and they just found em.
:P
Direct CIA operation.
:thumbsup:
Oh man, I hope they got his ass all Tom Clancy-meets-Che-Guevera style.
My nipples are hard.
And Geraldo is running a victory lap like he shot the bastard himself. :lol:
this announcement had me scared for a while. BUT FUCK YEAH
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 09:53:49 PM
And Geraldo is running a victory lap like he shot the bastard himself. :lol:
This is why I watch NBC coverage. General Barry McCaffery doesn't do laps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M
QuoteAmerica...
America...
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it's the dream that we all share; it's the hope for tomorrow
FUCK YEAH!
McDonalds, FUCK YEAH!
Wal-Mart, FUCK YEAH!
The Gap, FUCK YEAH!
Baseball, FUCK YEAH!
NFL, FUCK, YEAH!
Rock and roll, FUCK YEAH!
The Internet, FUCK YEAH!
Slavery, FUCK YEAH!
FUCK YEAH!
Starbucks, FUCK YEAH!
Disney world, FUCK YEAH!
Porno, FUCK YEAH!
Valium, FUCK YEAH!
Reeboks, FUCK YEAH!
Fake Tits, FUCK YEAH!
Sushi, FUCK YEAH!
Taco Bell, FUCK YEAH!
Rodeos, FUCK YEAH!
Bed bath and beyond (Fuck yeah, Fuck yeah)
Liberty, FUCK YEAH!
White Slips, FUCK YEAH!
The Alamo, FUCK YEAH!
Band-aids, FUCK YEAH!
Las Vegas, FUCK YEAH!
Christmas, FUCK YEAH!
Immigrants, FUCK YEAH!
Popeye, FUCK YEAH!
Democrats, FUCK YEAH!
Republicans (republicans)
(fuck yeah, fuck yeah)
Sportsmanship
Books
So they're saying the guy ate a bomb a week ago, and his body is in US custody.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 09:50:20 PM
Direct CIA operation, you filthy snowican.
Fuck. I was bashing those useless fucks just last week.
Dammit everywhere I turn Habs is posting that!
:P
I wish barry would hurry up. it is past my sleepy time.
I assume this is related to Osama bin Laden being dead?
EDIT: Yep missed a page. :lol:
:) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Anybody want to buy a slightly used copy of GMT's Labyrinth?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:00:50 PM
Anybody want to buy a slightly used copy of GMT's Labyrinth?
:lol:
Gene Billingsly turned on the TV and shit a brick.
Fans at the Met-Phillies game chanting U-S-A. :D (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz133%2Fsbr32%2Fsmilies%2Fsmilie_flag_USA.gif&hash=276fba38219618596de74216ad9cc1604dfd2923)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:00:50 PM
Anybody want to buy a slightly used copy of GMT's Labyrinth?
:lmfao:
Quote from: sbr on May 01, 2011, 10:03:36 PM
Fans at the Met-Phillies game chanting U-S-A. :D (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi195.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz133%2Fsbr32%2Fsmilies%2Fsmilie_flag_USA.gif&hash=276fba38219618596de74216ad9cc1604dfd2923)
:lol:
I now have a full on hardon.
Killed in Pakistan near the capital. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:06:45 PM
I now have a full on hardon.
Killed in Pakistan near the capital. :rolleyes:
:lol:
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:06:45 PM
I now have a full on hardon.
Killed in Pakistan near the capital. :rolleyes:
:lol:
IN A FUCKING MANSION.
Pakistan needs to be punished.
LOLZ U MAD GWB
JELLY MUCH CHENEY
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:00:50 PM
Anybody want to buy a slightly used copy of GMT's Labyrinth?
lol Tamas is so pathetic. The other day, he was like :cry: PLAY LABYRINTH WITH ME FB. Naturally, I refused because I don't want to play with that fucking cheater and I have real shit to do. The next day, he's telling me all about his solitare game where he cheated so that the US could win.
Quote from: Fireblade on May 01, 2011, 10:09:08 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:00:50 PM
Anybody want to buy a slightly used copy of GMT's Labyrinth?
lol Tamas is so pathetic. The other day, he was like :cry: PLAY LABYRINTH WITH ME FB. Naturally, I refused because I don't want to play with that fucking cheater and I have real shit to do. The next day, he's telling me all about his solitare game where he cheated so that the US could win.
He played the Gypsy Wagon and Beet Harvest cards.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:08:32 PM
IN A FUCKING MANSION.
Pakistan needs to be punished.
Oh, I do so hope that's the motherfucking case.
I hope we parade his body through the streets, string it up on the Washington Monument and have a big pork BBQ cookoff celebration. We'll smear the leftover grease and fat on his corpse.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 01, 2011, 10:11:57 PM
I hope we parade his body through the streets, string it up on the Washington Monument and have a big pork BBQ cookoff celebration. We'll smear the leftover grease and fat on his corpse.
I just came.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:12:33 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 01, 2011, 10:11:57 PM
I hope we parade his body through the streets, string it up on the Washington Monument and have a big pork BBQ cookoff celebration. We'll smear the leftover grease and fat on his corpse.
I just came.
I think we just came together. It's more special that way.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:12:33 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 01, 2011, 10:11:57 PM
I hope we parade his body through the streets, string it up on the Washington Monument and have a big pork BBQ cookoff celebration. We'll smear the leftover grease and fat on his corpse.
I just came.
Now you really will fall asleep before the actual announcement.
I better not be rickrolled on this. Goddammit.
Oooo, I should call my buddy at Wright Patt. They are likely going on security alert.
BASE COPS. BASE COPS. WHAT CHA GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THEIR GUARD BOX?
What an amateur Obama is. He could've waited until close to elections, but instead chose to wait until Celebrity Apprentice? :rolleyes:
The CIA did this? What, was it an accident? In any event:
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Oh, and congrats on the 2012 victory, Barry.
the mansion thing is unbelievable. Well actually very believable. <_<
what a day. First I see Fast Five and now this. :showoff:
Lara Logan looks quite good on CBS after being fistfucked in Egypt.
Quote from: Count on May 01, 2011, 10:18:55 PM
what a day. First I see Fast Five and now this. :showoff:
WHAT THE FUCK
Someone is surely going to get rich off this. I think the reward for Bin Laden's capture, alive or dead, was $25 million.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:19:57 PM
Lara Logan looks quite good on CBS after being fistfucked in Egypt.
I'm not ashamed to admit that I got all tingling with a mild rubbery one during her 60 Minutes piece.
OK, I'm ashamed to admit it.
Have they said whose mansion it was?
Wouldn't be too shocked if it was either the Presidential mansion orthe head of ISI's headquarters. <_<
So where was Dr. Warthead? I really want to see his head on a platter at the next White House Egg Roll.
Yeah I really want to hear the specifics about where and whose mansion this was.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: Count on May 01, 2011, 10:18:55 PM
what a day. First I see Fast Five and now this. :showoff:
WHAT THE FUCK
great action, hot women, hilarious acting and dialogue.
spoiler alert: they need to bring the team together for one last job
I want to see a damn dead body. I've got another load ready.
Quote from: Count on May 01, 2011, 10:26:02 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: Count on May 01, 2011, 10:18:55 PM
what a day. First I see Fast Five and now this. :showoff:
WHAT THE FUCK
great action, hot women, hilarious acting and dialogue.
spoiler alert: they need to bring the team together for one last job
Fuck you. Those movies are the worst thing for the classic musclecar market with every one they destroy. Fuck Vin.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:26:15 PM
I want to see a damn dead body. I've got another load ready.
this explains why you have 52 children strewn across america.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:26:15 PM
I want to see a damn dead body. I've got another load ready.
Can we pop together? It's OK not to look if you don't want to.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:26:15 PM
I want to see a damn dead body. I've got another load ready.
Can we pop together? It's OK not to look if you don't want to.
back to back only.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:26:15 PM
I want to see a damn dead body. I've got another load ready.
Can we pop together? It's OK not to look if you don't want to.
You are sounding more and more siege like.
I certainly hope that Obama made the classy move, and the first phone call he made was to Dubya. It would be the proper thing to do.
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 10:29:05 PM
You are sounding more and more siege like.
This is a Star-Spangled moment, baby.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:29:13 PM
I certainly hope that Obama made the classy move, and the first phone call he made was to Dubya. It would be the proper thing to do.
And offered him the head to skullfuck.
LOL, US operation. No Pak involvement.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 10:29:05 PM
You are sounding more and more siege like.
This is a Star-Spangled moment, baby.
Doesn't mean i want to circle jerk with everyone else on Languish.
Shamelessly stolen from SA:
Marvel Super Heroes Music - Captain America Stage
http://youtu.be/nE3xHSCy9zg
Something called "CreditLoan" is sponsoring the Google Instant search results for Osama :lol: Looks like their marketing team is on top of their game.
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Skipping lunch to watch this.
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 10:29:05 PM
You are sounding more and more siege like.
This is a Star-Spangled moment, baby.
Doesn't mean i want to circle jerk with everyone else on Languish.
You aren't invited. :mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGITlxfT6s
go to the 2:00 mark
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 10:29:05 PM
You are sounding more and more siege like.
This is a Star-Spangled moment, baby.
Doesn't mean i want to circle jerk with everyone else on Languish.
You aren't invited. :mad:
I would have politely declined!
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Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2011, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:29:50 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 10:29:05 PM
You are sounding more and more siege like.
This is a Star-Spangled moment, baby.
Doesn't mean i want to circle jerk with everyone else on Languish.
You aren't invited. :mad:
I would have politely declined!
You would have groveled to be at an Ed Anger event.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 01, 2011, 10:31:11 PM
Skipping lunch to watch this.
I want to go downstairs to get a beer, but I want to see the speech too. :(
Quote from: sbr on May 01, 2011, 10:34:26 PM
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:lol: That's great. This delaying action on the press conference is beginning to piss me off. Also, this will end Al Qaeda like the death of George Steinbrenner ended the Yankees' spending habits.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on May 01, 2011, 10:39:49 PMAlso, this will end Al Qaeda like the death of George Steinbrenner ended the Yankees' spending habits.
No, but it'll take a shitload of starch out of their shorts. Fuck 'em, we just whacked the cappo di tutti capi.
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The internet hate machine works swiftly.
Fuck it. I'm ordering a pizza. With extra pork.
Can we hold the Presidential election right now? I am feeling rather DGuller-ish about Obama right now.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 01, 2011, 10:44:23 PM
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:D
Go SEALS!
Just saw the speech. I was expecting a predator drone. This sounds like an Operation Spring of Youth thing. I'll be damned! Now all that is left is Obama to tie his body to the rear of his chariot and circle Islamabad.
I bet Petraeus is really pissed that he didn't get to order the CIA operation.
EDIT: Though the news is unclear whether it was CIA, military, or both.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 01, 2011, 10:52:57 PM
Just saw the speech. I was expecting a predator drone. This sounds like an Operation Spring of Youth thing. I'll be damned! Now all that is left is Obama to tie his body to the rear of his chariot and circle Islamabad.
I was thinking it was a pity Obama did not get him alive. Then he could have marched him behind his gilded chariot during his Triumph.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2011, 10:54:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 01, 2011, 10:52:57 PM
Just saw the speech. I was expecting a predator drone. This sounds like an Operation Spring of Youth thing. I'll be damned! Now all that is left is Obama to tie his body to the rear of his chariot and circle Islamabad.
I was thinking it was a pity Obama did not get him alive. Then he could have marched him behind his gilded chariot during his Triumph.
I think the fact that they didn't use a bomb and used raid indicates that Obama actually hoped to capture the man alive.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 01, 2011, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2011, 10:54:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 01, 2011, 10:52:57 PM
Just saw the speech. I was expecting a predator drone. This sounds like an Operation Spring of Youth thing. I'll be damned! Now all that is left is Obama to tie his body to the rear of his chariot and circle Islamabad.
I was thinking it was a pity Obama did not get him alive. Then he could have marched him behind his gilded chariot during his Triumph.
I think the fact that they didn't use a bomb and used raid indicates that Obama actually hoped to capture the man alive.
I wonder if there's any chance Osama took himself out? Supposedly he was shot in the head, and supposedly there was a firefight.
Fuck man, now I'm not gonna be able to kill the faggot myself.
And the whole war on terror might be over.
This is not good news.
The dems are gonna pull the plug and not finish the job.
There are plenty of bad guys still left out there.
We need to get the all.
Poor choice by Obama throwing around God so much at the end of the speech in my opinion. Nothing makes Muslims happier than having religious grounds to be pissy. Of course the far right here will think he was talking about Allah anyway, but...
Quote from: Razgovory on May 01, 2011, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2011, 10:54:48 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 01, 2011, 10:52:57 PM
Just saw the speech. I was expecting a predator drone. This sounds like an Operation Spring of Youth thing. I'll be damned! Now all that is left is Obama to tie his body to the rear of his chariot and circle Islamabad.
I was thinking it was a pity Obama did not get him alive. Then he could have marched him behind his gilded chariot during his Triumph.
I think the fact that they didn't use a bomb and used raid indicates that Obama actually hoped to capture the man alive.
Or maybe he just wanted him really dead and be really sure.
so, everybody sure it's not a body double or something?
Quote from: HVC on May 01, 2011, 11:06:29 PM
so, everybody sure it's not a body double or something?
Apparently he was offed a week ago and they've been doing DNA testing in the meantime to confirm. The Donald still does not believe and demands a death certificate.
Quote from: HVC on May 01, 2011, 11:06:29 PM
so, everybody sure it's not a body double or something?
I don't think they would have made such an announcement without checking silly porkchop
It is a nice symbol, to have put the hands on ben Laden but it won't change much on a day-to-day basis. Still, a nice coup.
He was killed a week ago but they held back on releasing the details at the request of the UK because that would have spoiled all the headlines for the Royal Wedding.
So, what was the extent of the pakistani involvement in this operation, or lack thereoft?
Quote from: katmai on May 01, 2011, 11:08:27 PM
Quote from: HVC on May 01, 2011, 11:06:29 PM
so, everybody sure it's not a body double or something?
I don't think they would have made such an announcement without checking silly porkchop
i recall a victory banner like 9 years ago proclaiming victory. sometime the government just doesn't think ahead :lol:
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on May 01, 2011, 11:08:11 PM
Quote from: HVC on May 01, 2011, 11:06:29 PM
so, everybody sure it's not a body double or something?
The Donald still does not believe and demands a death certificate.
:lol:
Quote from: Siege on May 01, 2011, 11:10:30 PM
So, what was the extent of the pakistani involvement in this operation, or lack thereoft?
Apparently none at all.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on May 01, 2011, 11:08:11 PM
Apparently he was offed a week ago and they've been doing DNA testing in the meantime to confirm.
The Prez said they had the intel last week, and he gave the order for the raid today.
Quote from: sbr on May 01, 2011, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: Siege on May 01, 2011, 11:10:30 PM
So, what was the extent of the pakistani involvement in this operation, or lack thereoft?
Apparently none at all.
It will be interesting to see their reaction....
1. We helped some!
2. America violated our sovereignty!
3. *deep silence*
I vote for "3".
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 11:17:23 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on May 01, 2011, 11:08:11 PM
Apparently he was offed a week ago and they've been doing DNA testing in the meantime to confirm.
The Prez said they had the intel last week, and he gave the order for the raid today.
Ah. Someone quoted something about what I said from Fox News. Go figure that they'd fuck it up. Hahaha. That's what I get for relying on anything from them.
QuoteIn August, U.S. intelligence officials got a tip on his whereabouts, which led to the operation that culminated Sunday, Obama said.
U.S. officials told NBC News that U.S. Special Operations forces carried out the attack on the al-Qaida compound, killing bin Laden when they shot him in the head during a firefight.
The special operations forces returned with the body to Afghanistan, the sources said.
Yeah, baby. Twisted that nigger's cap back. HEDSHOTZ.
QuoteFormer President George W. Bush said in a statement that he had personally been informed by Obama of the death of the terrorist leader whose attacks forever defined his eight years in office.
Quote"Justice has been done," the president declared as crowds formed outside the White House to celebrate, singing "The Star-Spangled Banner" and "We Are the Champions," NBC News reported.
Lulz
via twitter:
RT @MMFlint: FOX News: Elderly Rich Man on Dialysis Killed by Young African-American Male.
Quote from: Count on May 01, 2011, 11:22:35 PM
via twitter:
RT @MMFlint: FOX News: Elderly Rich Man on Dialysis Killed by Young African-American Male.
:rolleyes:
Totally not the time or place.
Quote from: PRC on May 01, 2011, 11:10:06 PM
He was killed a week ago but they held back on releasing the details at the request of the UK because that would have spoiled all the headlines for the Royal Wedding.
:bowler:
Quote from: Fate on May 01, 2011, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Count on May 01, 2011, 11:22:35 PM
via twitter:
RT @MMFlint: FOX News: Elderly Rich Man on Dialysis Killed by Young African-American Male.
:rolleyes:
Totally not the time or place.
Thought it was funny. Cheers. :bowler:
Quote from: Fate on May 01, 2011, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: Count on May 01, 2011, 11:22:35 PM
via twitter:
RT @MMFlint: FOX News: Elderly Rich Man on Dialysis Killed by Young African-American Male.
:rolleyes:
Totally not the time or place.
I LOL'd.
GhostObama already has 9401 followers on Twitter.
Quote from: stjaba on May 01, 2011, 11:31:25 PM
GhostObama already has 9401 followers on Twitter.
Is Obama a ghost? :unsure:
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Ha, we didn't tell the Pakistanis shit!
Some details from MSNBC on the raid:
* One chopper from the strike went down, they destroyed it immediately to cover up
* Approx 40 Spec Ops involved raiding the compound
* The compound was 8 times larger than the other residences in the area, a massive place in a well-heeled area
* Osama's adult son and two of his most trusted couriers were also killed at the outset
* an unidentified female was used as a human shield by an OBL henchman, both got whacked
* OBL was returning fire, capped in the motherfucking HEDSHOTZ
* Pakistanis weren't told shit until it was all over
:cool:
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http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/05/01/the-rock-knew-bin-laden-was-dead-before-anyone-else
told you fast five was good ;)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 01, 2011, 11:52:03 PM
Ha, we didn't tell the Pakistanis shit!
I bet we've had him in our sights before, told the Pakistanis, and he got away. :osama:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 11:52:45 PM
Some details from MSNBC on the raid:
* Pakistanis weren't told shit until it was all over
This was probably a good choice. If we told our loyal allies I imagine Mr. Bin Laden would have mysteriously gotten away. Hopefully they got some people alive so we can find out what the fucker's been doing all this time. I'd be interested to know what sort of connections he had with Pakistani intelligence.
Wow, that was unexpected. I thought he was dead already and his supporters covered it up.
Quote from: starbright on May 02, 2011, 12:25:30 AM
Wow, that was unexpected. I thought he was dead already and his supporters covered it up.
don't worry, there are enough conspiracies to go around. the latest appears to be that he died last week, and obama decided to (i guess) wait until he could really stick it to bush
other information that aroused suspicion regarding his whereabouts:
- the compound burned its trash rather than let the city collect it
- it had no phone or internet service
Better than the Miracle on Ice. :punk:
Fuckers! :ultra:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698#video
Quote0714: Syed Riaz Hussain in Abbottabad, writes: "Last night, at around 0100, there was heavy gunfire about 300 metres from our house, which was followed by a huge blast. There was little in terms of military activity during the day to suggest something even remotely close to what happened. The exact spot where this incident took place, is a stone's throw from the Pakistan Military Academy, Pakistan's equivalent of West Point."
I am shocked. :rolleyes:
How lame of Obama to release this just to steal the limelight from the British royal wedding and John Paul II huge ass "making a saint" ceremony. :rolleyes:
Incidentally, I wonder which of the three is money better spent. :hmm:
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Osama, Obama. Hmm... maybe there *is* a reason why he got the birth certificate only after tracking down Osama. :hmm:
This could also explain Obama feeling so cocky at the Washington Correspondent Dinner. He knew this was in the pipeline so he could score some points off the joke that Trump is.
Good for Obama, for the people who planned and carried out the operation, for America and pretty much everyone else too. Certainly a great propaganda victory. Hopefully this will put a bit of a dent in Al Qaeda.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:00:50 PM
Anybody want to buy a slightly used copy of GMT's Labyrinth?
You can kill Osama in that game :P
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2011, 10:00:50 PM
Anybody want to buy a slightly used copy of GMT's Labyrinth?
lol Tamas is so pathetic. The other day, he was like :cry: PLAY LABYRINTH WITH ME FB. Naturally, I refused because I don't want to play with that fucking cheater and I have real shit to do. The next day, he's telling me all about his solitare game where he cheated so that the US could win.
:lol: you are so full of shit
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 01:34:40 AM
This could also explain Obama feeling so cocky at the Washington Correspondent Dinner. He knew this was in the pipeline so he could score some points off the joke that Trump is.
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:)
:lmfao:
:w00t:
Obama 2012.
Congratulations USA :cheers: :yeah:
Seriously, though, is this going to boost Obama's popularity enough to secure him the 2012 re-election without serious competition?
I had an impression that American public's focus has moved from the war on terror to the state of economy/healthcare/whatnot lately, but the amount of cheering about this seems to suggest otherwise.
Is this to Obama what 911 was to Bush?
:yeah: good work USA :)
L.
I gotta say that American government provides better entertainment for its people.
In the UK it was the royal wedding. In Vatican/Poland/other catho-lands it was the beatification of John Paul II. And in the US it's shooting down Obama.
America is like HBO compared to other nations' ABC.
The West is killing the wrong set of Taliban leaders. Their main base is in Islamabad. Still, great job. :cheers:
U! S! A! U! S! A! U! S! A!
Some interesting info coming out.
For example:
QuoteU.S. officials said the CIA tracked bin Laden to his location, then elite troops from Navy SEAL Team Six, a top military counter-terrorism unit, flew to the hideout in four helicopters. Bin Laden was shot in the head in an ensuing firefight, these officials said, adding that he and his guards had resisted his attackers. U.S. personnel identified him by facial recognition, the official said, declining to say whether DNA analysis had also been used.
The U.S. team took custody of bin Laden's remains. A U.S. official later said bin Laden had been buried at sea and the remains were handled in accordance with Islamic practice, which calls for speedy burial.
The official, who spoke Monday on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security matters, said it would have been difficult to find a country willing to accept the remains. The official did not say where the body was buried.
Obama said no Americans were harmed in the operation. Three adult males were also killed in the raid, including one of bin Laden's sons, whom officials did not name. One of bin Laden's sons, Hamza, is a senior member of al-Qaida. U.S. officials also said one woman was killed when she was used as a shield by a male combatant, and two other women were injured.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden
Sounds too Hollywood movie, and the conspiracy theories will be great.
Supposedly, this is a picture of his carcass:
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Cool. My president beats your president, Red America.
Shot that bitch in his eye. yo.
Great. Now hopefully the next Special Forces raid targets that two-faced piece of shit Musharraf.
"Prime Minister Musharraf... yeah this is Dubya... just wanted to let you know we got a lead on bin Laden's location and are going in."
"Okay Meester George. Thank you come again."
*Musharraf calls Osama*
"Meester Osama, I am needing you to relocate sir!"
I hope all those Mooselimb monkeys that celebrated in Gaza on 9/11 got to see the celebratory highlights from Lafayette Park and Times Square. In your face, desert monkeys. Your rock star is dead.
Osama seems to have died as he lived, hiding behind a woman.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 05:17:18 AM
I hope all those Mooselimb monkeys that celebrated in Gaza on 9/11 got to see the celebratory highlights from Lafayette Park and Times Square. In your face, desert monkeys. Your rock star is dead.
PREDICTION: Today shall be a fun day in Israel/Gaza/West Bank. :)
This moment is auspicious for the reposting of this Onion classic article:
QuoteHijackers Surprised To Find Selves In Hell
JAHANNEM, OUTER DARKNESS—The hijackers who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon expressed confusion and surprise Monday to find themselves in the lowest plane of Na'ar, Islam's Hell.
"I was promised I would spend eternity in Paradise, being fed honeyed cakes by 67 virgins in a tree-lined garden, if only I would fly the airplane into one of the Twin Towers," said Mohammed Atta, one of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 11, between attempts to vomit up the wasps, hornets, and live coals infesting his stomach. "But instead, I am fed the boiling feces of traitors by malicious, laughing Ifrit. Is this to be my reward for destroying the enemies of my faith?"
The rest of Atta's words turned to raw-throated shrieks, as a tusked, asp-tongued demon burst his eyeballs and drank the fluid that ran down his face.
According to Hell sources, the 19 eternally damned terrorists have struggled to understand why they have been subjected to soul-withering, infernal torture ever since their Sept. 11 arrival.
"There was a tumultuous conflagration of burning steel and fuel at our gates, and from it stepped forth these hijackers, the blessed name of the Lord already turning to molten brass on their accursed lips," said Iblis The Thrice-Damned, the cacodemon charged with conscripting new arrivals into the ranks of the forgotten. "Indeed, I do not know what they were expecting, but they certainly didn't seem prepared to be skewered from eye socket to bunghole and then placed on a spit so that their flesh could be roasted by the searing gale of flatus which issues forth from the haunches of Asmoday."
"Which is strange when you consider the evil with which they ended their lives and those of so many others," added Iblis, absentmindedly twisting the limbs of hijacker Abdul Aziz Alomari into unspeakably obscene shapes.
"I was told that these Americans were enemies of the one true religion, and that Heaven would be my reward for my noble sacrifice," said Alomari, moments before his jaw was sheared away by faceless homunculi. "But now I am forced to suckle from the 16 poisoned leathern teats of Gophahmet, Whore of Betrayal, until I burst from an unwholesome engorgement of curdled bile. This must be some sort of terrible mistake."
Exacerbating the terrorists' tortures, which include being hollowed out and used as prophylactics by thorn-cocked Gulbuth The Rampant, is the fact that they will be forced to endure such suffering in sight of the Paradise they were expecting.
"It might actually be the most painful thing we can do, to show these murderers the untold pleasures that would have awaited them in Paradise, if only they had lived pious lives," said Praxitas, Duke of Those Willingly Led Astray. "I mean, it's tough enough being forced through a wire screen by the callused palms of Halcorym and then having your entrails wound onto a stick and fed to the toothless, foul-breathed swine of Gehenna. But to endure that while watching the righteous drink from a river of wine? That can't be fun."
Underworld officials said they have not yet decided on a permanent punishment for the terrorists.
"Eventually, we'll settle on an eternal and unending task for them," said Lord Androalphus, High Praetor of Excruciations. "But for now, everyone down here wants a crack at them. The legions of fang-wombed hags will take their pleasure on their shattered carcasses for most of this afternoon. Tomorrow, their flesh will be melted from their bones like wax in the burning embrace of the Mother of Cowards. The day after that, they'll be sodomized by the Fallen and their bowels shredded by a demonic ejaculate of burning sand. Then, on Sunday, Satan gets them all day. I can't even imagine what he's got cooked up for them."
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 05:17:18 AM
I hope all those Mooselimb monkeys that celebrated in Gaza on 9/11 got to see the celebratory highlights from Lafayette Park and Times Square. In your face, desert monkeys. Your rock star is dead.
Just as when you compared Walmart Black Friday tramplings to Ramadan Mecca tramplings, your monkeys are better than their monkeys. :bowler:
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The guys in Navy Seal Six will never have to buy a drink ever again.
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Today is a good day for the world.
I think we might be pleasantly surprised by the ineffectual AQ response to this.
I'm pleased they offered the body to the Saudis, who apparently refused. Personally I'd like to have seen it left on the front steps of the Saudi 'Education Ministry' in Riyadh.
Given the proximity of his 'hide out' / guest house to a Pakistani military base and the country's capital the USA needs to really stick it to the Pakistanis about what they're involvement was in his 'hiding'.
Good to see CdM beat Timmay to breaking news thread of the decade, by a country mile. :D
What a wonderfull Monday Morning.
Also, hilarious thread.
He was probably a lecturer at the academy :lol:
Nice commute.
Quote from: jamesww on May 02, 2011, 06:24:54 AM
I'm pleased they offered the body to the Saudis, who apparently refused. Personally I'd like to have seen it left on the front steps of the Saudi 'Education Ministry' in Riyadh.
I'm glad they dumped him in the ocean, like so much ocean liner waste and bilge. What's it say in the Koran about being fish food, you Islamofucks? HAHAHAHAHA
Well, that was surprising news, my dad told me when I woke up and I was sure he'd got mixed up with Gadaffi's son and the vaguely similar name structure.
Odd timing though, coming just a week or two after the kill Osama and we nuke you announcment.
Lame they didn't release much about the assault or many pictures of the body- and just dumping it at sea right away, WTF?
Its like they're baiting the conspiracy nuts, already they're starting.
I'm going to have a pork sandwich and a beer later today to mark the occaision. :cheers:
QuoteOsama's death 'a good career move'?
Al-Qaeda's leader might appear to have died with a bang, but he had long since died with a whimper.
Robert Grenier
For Osama bin Laden, violent death must have come as a blessing. It has given him, at least fleetingly, a seeming prominence that in fact had long since ebbed away, not only in the Muslim world, but even within al-Qaeda itself.
To many in the US, for whom bin Laden's demise is indeed an important event, president Barack Obama's announcement represents long-delayed justice for the victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks and the fulfillment of a long-standing promise from two quite different US presidents. But in the Muslim world, where bin Laden and the movement he spawned produced the vast majority of their victims, the enigmatic Saudi's passing represents something quite different.
One supposes that for bin Laden, if he had any clear conception of his place in the world nearly 10 years after the attack which brought him to global prominence, life must have become unbearable. For the violent extremists whom bin Laden has sponsored and encouraged, it is a mark of pride that they seek death for what they believe. And even for those among them who hide in the shadows, it is with the conviction that they live today to strike at their enemies tomorrow.
But for bin Laden, who might well have met martyrdom with many of his followers at Tora Bora, such was his megalomaniacal conception of his importance that he believed his greatest contribution to the movement would be to ensure his own survival, even as those around him were martyred for the cause.
Consider, then, what it must have been like for such an ego to fade into functional obscurity. As he was reduced to issuing occasional audio tapes of increasing irrelevance, even the core of the organisation he founded learned to live without him. And the scattered little groups around the globe which had appropriated the al-Qaeda name in fact had little connection to bin Laden's organisation, and still less to bin Laden himself.
'Good career move'
Indeed, what must have been most crushing for bin Laden was the rise of the so-called Arab Spring. The very people in the Arab world whose concerns bin Laden claimed most importantly to represent have revealed the utter fallacy at the heart of Sheikh Osama's message.
The al-Qaeda leader had long professed that the only means of liberation for the Muslims was to strike at the Western powers who propped up their repressive leaders, and thereby to undo the vast US-led conspiracy to subjugate them. What the Arab youth have shown is that the means of their liberation is in their own hands, and has always been. Indeed, they have shown that in the face of their moral example, the Western world, more often than not, will be forced to support them.
Even more importantly, the world which those responsible for the uprisings throughout the Arab world are trying to construct for themselves looks nothing like the dark, obscurantist vision of bin Laden and his core followers. Even the most radically anti-western of the genuine religious leaders in the Muslim world have long since soundly rejected the Takfiri doctrines perpetrated by al-Qaeda.
What remains of bin Laden's movement, while it may still represent a lethal threat on a tactical scale, has been clearly bypassed and marginalised by the historical evolution of those whom it would pretend to represent and to lead.
That is as true in South Asia, where local opposition to western involvement in Afghanistan has given al-Qaeda a seeming prominence which in fact it does not merit, as it is elsewhere in the Muslim world.
It may seem an odd analogy, but I am put in mind of a former Hollywood celebrity who had long since been personally repudiated by the public, whose death a number of years ago was described unkindly by one wag as a "good career move".
The same might easily be said of Osama bin Laden. He might appear to have died with a bang. But he had long since died with a whimper.
Robert Grenier retired from the CIA in 2006, following a 27-year career in the CIA's Clandestine Service. He served as Director of the CIA Counter-Terrorism Center (CTC) from 2004 to 2006, coordinated CIA activities in Iraq from 2002 to 2004 as the Iraq Mission Manager, and was the CIA Chief of Station in Islamabad, Pakistan before and after the 9/11 attacks.
More here:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115272712668919.html (http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115272712668919.html)
Will Osama be attacking us in our dreams now?
I woke up bloated and gassy this morning from my celebratory pizza.
Quote from: Tyr on May 02, 2011, 06:57:28 AM
Will Osama be attacking us in our dreams now?
Yes. Also, he has a glove with razors sewed into it and wears a red and green striped dress now. :)
A honest question for the yanks, particulary to the ones of a more martial persuation: Will hard proof be produced at some point in the short or medium term about this operation and its results and/or particulars or do we have to trust the official statements at face value?
Hamas is hurt over Binnie's hit.
Quote"We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood," Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip, told reporters. "We condemn the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior. We ask God to offer him mercy with the true believers and the martyrs."
Another PR coup for the palestinians.
Quote from: Legbiter on May 02, 2011, 07:29:27 AM
Hamas is hurt over Binnie's hit.
Quote"We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood," Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip, told reporters. "We condemn the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior. We ask God to offer him mercy with the true believers and the martyrs."
Another PR coup for the palestinians.
LOL
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Quote from: The Larch on May 02, 2011, 07:21:41 AM
A honest question for the yanks, particulary to the ones of a more martial persuation: Will hard proof be produced at some point in the short or medium term about this operation and its results and/or particulars or do we have to trust the official statements at face value?
I want to see a picture of his carcass. Plus, they should have had him stuffed and mounted in the Oval office, not thrown to the sharks.
I hope Obama can leverage this into something functional - like use it to drum up more US support for the Arab Spring uprisings.
Quote from: Legbiter on May 02, 2011, 07:32:45 AM
I want to see a picture of his carcass. Plus, they should have had him stuffed and mounted in the Oval office, not thrown to the sharks.
Yeah, seriously... if McCain had been elected he would have walked into that briefing holding Osama's head like Perseus and Medusa in Clash of the Titans. Then it'd be mounted on a pike in front of the White House. :menace:
So end of an era. :(
Cool -- I got home from work last night, showered & ate then went straight to bed with a movie, so reading this thread this morning is the first I've seen of Osama's demise. My only regret is that he went down fighting instead of being taken out unawares while on the crapper or something else humiliating along those lines...
"Buried at sea" eh? Yeah, they tossed him over the side with the leftovers of that morning's breakfast and the cigarette butts from the fire cans. Go Navy.
It kinda sounds like a ploy. Not sure I believe it, and skepticism isn't my shtick :hmm:
Quote from: Zeus on May 02, 2011, 08:18:07 AM
It kinda sounds like a ploy. Not sure I believe it, and skepticism isn't my shtick :hmm:
It is about as real as the moon landing.
Quote from: C.C.R. on May 02, 2011, 07:48:39 AM
Cool -- I got home from work last night, showered & ate then went straight to bed with a movie, so reading this thread this morning is the first I've seen of Osama's demise. My only regret is that he went down fighting instead of being taken out unawares while on the crapper or something else humiliating along those lines...
"Bullet to the side of the head."
Wouldn't be at all surprised if he was executed.
On a side note, twitter of some guy that lives in abattabad or what ever. Sort of play by play starting 18 hours ago.
http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual
Doesn't sound like the Pakistanis were in on it to me.
P.s. I hate twitter. :yuk:
I went down to Ground Zero to see what was going on. I wish I'd had miniature American flags to sell :(
:( RIP Augusto.
He was wanted dead or alive and he was shot down in a blaze of glory. While he did give Islam a bad name he was our little runaway for 10 years.
Bon débarras !
I found out this morning; I wasn't watching or listening to any news last night. Thanks and grats to all those hunting down this nasty thug, and his kind, for the last many years. Lots of hard work and risks taken. Islamic radicalism isn't over because of this, but one despicable figure head is down for a big symbolic victory.
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what a day. First I see Fast Five and now this. :showoff:
WHAT THE FUCK
great action, hot women, hilarious acting and dialogue.
spoiler alert: they need to bring the team together for one last job
Fuck you. Those movies are the worst thing for the classic musclecar market with every one they destroy. Fuck Vin.
It was a terrible, terrible movie. Pissed that my sister made me see it for her birthday.
Quote from: Faeelin on May 02, 2011, 08:29:09 AM
I went down to Ground Zero to see what was going on. I wish I'd had miniature American flags to sell :(
You could've offered abortions.
OBL had a huge walled in compound in a city, near an army base? So, apparently he must have had some Pakistani support and help in keeping it all under wraps. It's like he was under Pakistani protection with that ostentatious, but out of place, fortified villa. Well, no surprise, I guess.
So much for the romance of hiding out in secret caves in the mountains.
Turns out he was living in a nice spread some tony suburb of Pakistan, like a character in a laugh-tracked TV sitcom gone horribly wrong.
Quote from: The Larch on May 02, 2011, 07:21:41 AM
A honest question for the yanks, particulary to the ones of a more martial persuation: Will hard proof be produced at some point in the short or medium term about this operation and its results and/or particulars or do we have to trust the official statements at face value?
Oh, the conspiracy theorists will never accept OBL is dead.
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Quote from: Faeelin on May 02, 2011, 08:29:09 AM
I went down to Ground Zero to see what was going on. I wish I'd had miniature American flags to sell :(
You could've offered abortions.
Heh.
Quote from: Siege on May 02, 2011, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: The Larch on May 02, 2011, 07:21:41 AM
A honest question for the yanks, particulary to the ones of a more martial persuation: Will hard proof be produced at some point in the short or medium term about this operation and its results and/or particulars or do we have to trust the official statements at face value?
Oh, the conspiracy theorists will never accept OBL is dead.
Hard core nutters of course, but softer core nutters might be placated by some indisputable proof of the deed.
I still can't get people to accept that Jimmy Carter is dead.
Quote from: jamesww on May 02, 2011, 06:24:54 AM
Today is a good day for the world.
I think we might be pleasantly surprised by the ineffectual AQ response to this.
I'm pleased they offered the body to the Saudis, who apparently refused. Personally I'd like to have seen it left on the front steps of the Saudi 'Education Ministry' in Riyadh.
Given the proximity of his 'hide out' / guest house to a Pakistani military base and the country's capital the USA needs to really stick it to the Pakistanis about what they're involvement was in his 'hiding'.
Good to see CdM beat Timmay to breaking news thread of the decade, by a country mile. :D
Well, at least there is one good thing has come out of this. The Pakistani's cannot but learn the lesson that one should check the houses within 100 yards of their version of West Point for rats and terrorists.
Finally, something I can praise Obama for. This might be a moment equivalent to Clinton's welfare reform & NAFTA efforts. We didn't arrest him & try to prosecute him-- we kept it simple & put a bullet in his head. Good show, Barry :thumbsup:
Only thing that pisses me off about the whole thing is that my wife found out about it before I did. I was putting together some IKEA crap & also trying to convince my 3-year old that his room did not somehow get darker because he has a new bed. While I was sitting with him I checked the news on my phone & then ran & told my wife, who had apparently known for a couple hours from peoples' Facebook updates. You'd think she'd clue me in with news like that...
This made my day :showoff:
Quote from: Monoriu on May 02, 2011, 10:25:55 AM
This made my day :showoff:
Yeah, but watch out, as the next mission is to swoop in and rescue you from communist China. :P
Quote from: The Larch on May 02, 2011, 09:44:15 AM
Hard core nutters of course, but softer core nutters might be placated by some indisputable proof of the deed.
Who cares?
Quote from: The Larch on May 02, 2011, 07:21:41 AM
A honest question for the yanks, particulary to the ones of a more martial persuation: Will hard proof be produced at some point in the short or medium term about this operation and its results and/or particulars or do we have to trust the official statements at face value?
I hope they offer nothing more. The twitching of the conspirotards is always most amusing.
Quote from: The Brain on May 02, 2011, 10:06:54 AM
I still can't get people to accept that Jimmy Carter is undead.
Indeed. :hmm:
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2011, 10:24:48 AM
We didn't arrest him & try to prosecute him-- we kept it simple & put a bullet in his head. Good show, Barry :thumbsup:
Yep.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 02, 2011, 09:22:17 AM
Turns out he was living in a nice spread some tony suburb of Pakistan, like a character in a laugh-tracked TV sitcom gone horribly wrong.
:yes:
Obama to Pakistan:
"Loosie, jew gotsa lotta splaining to do!"
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2011, 10:24:48 AM
You'd think she'd clue me in with news like that...
That information is shared on a need-to-know basis, son.
Quote from: Monoriu on May 02, 2011, 10:25:55 AM
This made my day :showoff:
Indeed - I just realzied I've been having a damn good past 24 hours or so. Nice day with the baby yesterday, I cooked a nice supper, Bin Laden is dead, something else, now everythins is going well at work... :thumbsup:
Still happy to hear the good news. And to think. We couldn't have this thread on the old EUOT. No celebrating the death of a person. Even if the person is a mass murderer. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 11:18:38 AM
We couldn't have this thread on the old EUOT. No celebrating the death of a person. Even if the person is a mass murderer. :rolleyes:
:lol:
I wonder what's going on at EUOT today.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 06:33:42 AM
Quote from: jamesww on May 02, 2011, 06:24:54 AM
I'm pleased they offered the body to the Saudis, who apparently refused. Personally I'd like to have seen it left on the front steps of the Saudi 'Education Ministry' in Riyadh.
I'm glad they dumped him in the ocean, like so much ocean liner waste and bilge. What's it say in the Koran about being fish food, you Islamofucks? HAHAHAHAHA
This is the part that does not compute for me. Why take great points to make sure it is him, and then promptly drop his remains into the ocean? This is going to fuel conspiracy theories like nothing else. :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2011, 11:21:03 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 11:18:38 AM
We couldn't have this thread on the old EUOT. No celebrating the death of a person. Even if the person is a mass murderer. :rolleyes:
:lol:
I wonder what's going on at EUOT today.
Shameless celebration that a guy has been killed.
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 06:33:42 AM
Quote from: jamesww on May 02, 2011, 06:24:54 AM
I'm pleased they offered the body to the Saudis, who apparently refused. Personally I'd like to have seen it left on the front steps of the Saudi 'Education Ministry' in Riyadh.
I'm glad they dumped him in the ocean, like so much ocean liner waste and bilge. What's it say in the Koran about being fish food, you Islamofucks? HAHAHAHAHA
This is the part that does not compute for me. Why take great points to make sure it is him, and then promptly drop his remains into the ocean? This is going to fuel conspiracy theories like nothing else. :huh:
What do you mean? They had to bury him within 24 hours or somesuch because of moongodism IIRC.
I'm sure they retained at least some portion of his body for future use. :)
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2011, 11:23:31 AM
I'm sure they retained at least some portion of his body for future use. :)
:bleeding: Don't give Mart any ideas.
Quote from: The Brain on May 02, 2011, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 06:33:42 AM
Quote from: jamesww on May 02, 2011, 06:24:54 AM
I'm pleased they offered the body to the Saudis, who apparently refused. Personally I'd like to have seen it left on the front steps of the Saudi 'Education Ministry' in Riyadh.
I'm glad they dumped him in the ocean, like so much ocean liner waste and bilge. What's it say in the Koran about being fish food, you Islamofucks? HAHAHAHAHA
This is the part that does not compute for me. Why take great points to make sure it is him, and then promptly drop his remains into the ocean? This is going to fuel conspiracy theories like nothing else. :huh:
What do you mean? They had to bury him within 24 hours or somesuch because of moongodism IIRC.
Not convinced. Why would giving him a proper muslim burial would be high on CIA's list?
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 02, 2011, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 06:33:42 AM
Quote from: jamesww on May 02, 2011, 06:24:54 AM
I'm pleased they offered the body to the Saudis, who apparently refused. Personally I'd like to have seen it left on the front steps of the Saudi 'Education Ministry' in Riyadh.
I'm glad they dumped him in the ocean, like so much ocean liner waste and bilge. What's it say in the Koran about being fish food, you Islamofucks? HAHAHAHAHA
This is the part that does not compute for me. Why take great points to make sure it is him, and then promptly drop his remains into the ocean? This is going to fuel conspiracy theories like nothing else. :huh:
What do you mean? They had to bury him within 24 hours or somesuch because of moongodism IIRC.
Not convinced. Why would giving him a proper muslim burial would be high on CIA's list?
Because of explicit instructions from the White House.
Quote from: The Brain on May 02, 2011, 11:27:35 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 02, 2011, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 11:21:45 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 06:33:42 AM
Quote from: jamesww on May 02, 2011, 06:24:54 AM
I'm pleased they offered the body to the Saudis, who apparently refused. Personally I'd like to have seen it left on the front steps of the Saudi 'Education Ministry' in Riyadh.
I'm glad they dumped him in the ocean, like so much ocean liner waste and bilge. What's it say in the Koran about being fish food, you Islamofucks? HAHAHAHAHA
This is the part that does not compute for me. Why take great points to make sure it is him, and then promptly drop his remains into the ocean? This is going to fuel conspiracy theories like nothing else. :huh:
What do you mean? They had to bury him within 24 hours or somesuch because of moongodism IIRC.
Not convinced. Why would giving him a proper muslim burial would be high on CIA's list?
Because of explicit instructions from the White House.
More proof Obama is a Muslim. <_<
We go to great lengths to keep the Muslim world from being 'offended'. Not that it really matters, because they'll hate us no matter what we do or how we do it, but still, there you have it.
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 11:29:32 AM
More proof Obama is a Muslim. <_<
Obamadolf Hitler Bin Laden
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2011, 11:32:01 AM
We go to great lengths to keep the Muslim world from being 'offended'. Not that it really matters, because they'll hate us no matter what we do or how we do it, but still, there you have it.
Some of them are still merely ticked off at us.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 11:18:38 AM
Still happy to hear the good news. And to think. We couldn't have this thread on the old EUOT. No celebrating the death of a person. Even if the person is a mass murderer. :rolleyes:
Apparently death can be celebrated, bt not murder, and Stonewall gave a pass to this because he didn't consider it murder.
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2011, 11:23:31 AM
I'm sure they retained at least some portion of his body for future use. :)
Souvenirs-- to sell on ebay :)
Just wanted to chime in and say good job and that Pakistan may have some explaining to do.
I wonder who had dirt on them?
Quote from: Barrister on May 02, 2011, 11:04:56 AM
Indeed - I just realzied I've been having a damn good past 24 hours or so. Nice day with the baby yesterday, I cooked a nice supper, Bin Laden is dead, something else, now everythins is going well at work... :thumbsup:
This will come crashing down tonight with your Conservative minority government with a NDP Opposition and Jack Layton as future Coalition leader.
Obviously I wouldn't have thought about it, but kind of interesting.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/httphealthlandtimecom20110502whosbinladenkidsbornafter911wanttoknowxidrssfullhealthsciyahoo
QuoteWho's Bin Laden? Kids Born After 9/11 Want to Know
President Obama certainly wasn't taking the sensibilities of West Coast children into consideration when he made his stunner of a speech Sunday night: Osama bin Laden is dead. It took parents by surprise. We weren't ready, had no time to hustle the kids into bed before flipping on the television.
Minutes before, my girls, 3 and 6, had been frolicking in their bubble bath. Now, shivering in towels, these children born after four airplanes attacked a September sky, had a question: who is Bin Laden?
With that query, the de facto practice of carefully tiptoeing around the enormity of 9/11 unraveled. Twitter user erraggy tweeted: "We were eating dinner out with our kids when the news broke. Surreal explaining Osama bin Laden to our daughter who was 4 months old on 911."
With kids, you start simply: Osama bin Laden was a bad guy who hated America. Bad guys, kids get. Their world is colored in black and white. Something - or someone - is good, or it's not.
But what do you mean he was bad? They press for details. And parents everywhere now must explain hate and terrorism and the contradictions of war as best they can. It goes something like this: once upon a time, there were two tall towers that stood in Manhattan. And a five-sided building in Washington, D.C. And a grassy field in Pennsylvania. Some people crashed planes into them, on purpose. They killed nearly 3,000 people. And the men who did it were part of a group led by bin Laden.
I do not ever recall discussing the specifics of 9/11 with my 8-year-old son, but in that funny way kids have of acquiring knowledge without or despite you, he told me he'd read a book in which a blind man escaped with his guide dog from high up in one of the towers. "Wow," I said.
Questions tumbled out: how many more people are left in bin Laden's group? Are the people in his group going to kill more people? Are they going to kill us? Can we move to another country that's not America?
The answers, spoken with maternal bravado: I don't know. I hope not. No, definitely not. No.
And then there are the inconsistencies of wartime. We teach our children not to hurt others and certainly not to kill, yet the nation is jubilant that U.S. forces - Navy SEALs from the Joint Special Operations Command? Hey, those guys hail from Pope Air Force Base in Fayetteville, N.C., where Grandma and Papa live! - gunned down bin Laden. We teach our children that two wrongs don't make a right but apparently sometimes they do: because al-Qaeda killed 2,974 people, is it right to assassinate its leader?
"Even if you get really mad, you don't kill a person," Shira, my 6-year-old, commented after Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in January. But now I was adding a vengeful postscript, signaling that sometimes, killing is actually okay. It is very tough to be a child. So much doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 11:21:45 AM
This is the part that does not compute for me. Why take great points to make sure it is him, and then promptly drop his remains into the ocean? This is going to fuel conspiracy theories like nothing else. :huh:
Because you don't want a place to become a shrine or even a place to pay respects. You can get away with dumping him into the ocean a lot easier when you first get his body and the news cycle is dominated with the actual killing. You can't do that if you hold onto his body for a week--disregarding any 24 hour rule.
Plus the fact that they pulled a Eichmann on him: Bury the corpse at sea in international waters so that no ground can be soiled by being touched by this mass killer.
Quote from: Norgy on May 02, 2011, 11:37:21 AM
Just wanted to chime in and say good job and that Pakistan may have some explaining to do.
I wonder who had dirt on them?
My best spin on the Paks is that they kept Binnie under house arrest to keep the US gravy train going. Still, the ISI HQ should be turned into a crater during office hours and their agents treated as members of AQ/taliban.
QuoteWith that query, the de facto practice of carefully tiptoeing around the enormity of 9/11 unraveled. Twitter user erraggy tweeted: "We were eating dinner out with our kids when the news broke. Surreal explaining Osama bin Laden to our daughter who was 4 months old on 911."
You'd think a ten year old would know about the WTC/Pentagon attacks. Wouldn't you? I don't know, I haven't spoken to a ten year old since I was ten, probably.
This is going to make it very tough to call Obama soft on anything the next few years. I read there was a take no prisoner order, which would be tougher than Bush. He also launched an attack in Pakistan across the street from a Pakistani military installation without their permission. And then had Osama tossed into the ocean immediately afterward.
Quote from: Drakken on May 02, 2011, 11:39:38 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 02, 2011, 11:04:56 AM
Indeed - I just realzied I've been having a damn good past 24 hours or so. Nice day with the baby yesterday, I cooked a nice supper, Bin Laden is dead, something else, now everythins is going well at work... :thumbsup:
This will come crashing down tonight with your Conservative minority government with a NDP Opposition and Jack Layton as future Coalition leader.
<_<
On the other hand, if things continue to roll for me... I'm hoping for a Conservative Majority today, and the return of the Winnipeg Jets today or tomorrow. :cool:
Quote from: alfred russel on May 02, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
This is going to make it very tough to call Obama soft on anything the next few years.
Yeah. Gaddaffi's son and grandchildren this day, Binnie & his son the next. What's he going to do next week?
Congratz Americans!!!
Now something has to be still done about Bert :glare:
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Quote from: Archy on May 02, 2011, 12:18:43 PM
Now something has to be still done about Bert :glare:
Last seen with 50 Cent:
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:)
Quote from: Legbiter on May 02, 2011, 12:05:52 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 02, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
This is going to make it very tough to call Obama soft on anything the next few years.
Yeah. Gaddaffi's son and grandchildren this day, Binnie & his son the next. What's he going to do next week?
Ahmedinejadabadad?
Quote from: alfred russel on May 02, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
This is going to make it very tough to call Obama soft on anything the next few years. I read there was a take no prisoner order, which would be tougher than Bush. He also launched an attack in Pakistan across the street from a Pakistani military installation without their permission. And then had Osama tossed into the ocean immediately afterward.
I really haven't considered Obama soft on the wars and military actions the US has been fighting. He stepped up drone attacks and actions in Pakistan .He added troops and stepped up the Afghan fighting, though he set a quasi-timetable for withdrawal. But I don't think it's etched in stone, and contingent to some extent on what the situation is. The US was still attacking AQ types in Yemen, with the govt there allowing it and going along. He hasn't seemed to be soft on the anti-radical war.
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 12:36:45 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on May 02, 2011, 12:05:52 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 02, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
This is going to make it very tough to call Obama soft on anything the next few years.
Yeah. Gaddaffi's son and grandchildren this day, Binnie & his son the next. What's he going to do next week?
Ahmedinejadabadad?
:lol: That would be interesting.
Quote
TEHRAN (FNA)- The US has killed the Al-Qaeda leader, Osama Bin Laden, in a bid to prevent any possible leakage of intelligence and information about the US-Al-Qaeda joint terrorist operations, a senior Iranian legislator underscored on Monday.
"The West was fully satisfied with bin Laden's performance during the past years and today... it was obliged to kill him to prevent possible leakage of the priceless intelligence that he had," member of the parliament's National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Javad Jahangirzadeh told FNA on Monday.
He mentioned that the West seeks to rebuild its damaged face in the international community, and reiterated that Bin Laden's survival could endanger the interests of the western countries and disclose their past and future clandestine operations.
Jahangirzadeh warned the world countries that the West has hatched a new plot to find new pretexts for invading and occupying the Muslim countries.
Obama announced on Sunday that bin Laden was killed in a US operation in Pakistan.
Obama said he had directed helicopter-borne US armed forces to launch an attack against a heavily fortified compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan on Sunday acting on a lead that first emerged last August.
"A small team of Americans... killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body," Obama said.
Senior US officials said that in addition to bin Laden, three adult males died in the raid, two who were believed to be couriers for the Al-Qaeda leader, and one who was said to be one of his adult sons.
One woman who was being used as a human shield was also killed, the officials said.
I'll never understand the hyper-susceptibility to conspiracy theories in that part of the world. And also on pdox OT.
It would be cool if Obama went on a killing spree and offed a different dictator each day.
Obama: new Chuck Norris?
Quote from: Legbiter on May 02, 2011, 12:05:52 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 02, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
This is going to make it very tough to call Obama soft on anything the next few years.
Yeah. Gaddaffi's son and grandchildren this day, Binnie & his son the next. What's he going to do next week?
At that rate, Obama will become the next Charles Martel before the year is out.
Quote from: The Larch on May 02, 2011, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 11:18:38 AM
Still happy to hear the good news. And to think. We couldn't have this thread on the old EUOT. No celebrating the death of a person. Even if the person is a mass murderer. :rolleyes:
Apparently death can be celebrated, bt not murder, and Stonewall gave a pass to this because he didn't consider it murder.
Surely OHGamer will ban Stonewall and everyone on the forums, before hopefully shooting himself in the head?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 02, 2011, 12:42:33 PM
I'll never understand the hyper-susceptibility to conspiracy theories in that part of the world. And also on pdox OT.
Conspiracy theories are a symptom of cognitive dissonance. They build on each other since they almost always set the unsubstantiated assumption in the same place. The cognitive dissonance exists in a presupposition which is not consistent with observed reality and reason. People will die for a much loved bad idea. The Arab world is so heavily beset with conspiracy theories because they have a lot of beloved bad ideas and because from time to time conspiracies do happen.
Think of the basic assumptions of the Arab world. They have the true religion that Allah wants to succeed. Allah will grant them victory. They are brave, honorable and competent warriors. Bravery, honor and competence will grant them victory. etc.etc. All of these basic presuppositions are patently false but they are presumed to be true. When the real world rolls around and hard facts hit the ground people basically have two options.
A) ditch their false presuppositions
B) find a false explanation that connects their presuppositions to reality
option A is Science, option B is Conspiracy Theorism
Quote from: alfred russel on May 02, 2011, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 02, 2011, 11:21:45 AM
This is the part that does not compute for me. Why take great points to make sure it is him, and then promptly drop his remains into the ocean? This is going to fuel conspiracy theories like nothing else. :huh:
Because you don't want a place to become a shrine or even a place to pay respects. You can get away with dumping him into the ocean a lot easier when you first get his body and the news cycle is dominated with the actual killing. You can't do that if you hold onto his body for a week--disregarding any 24 hour rule.
But now the entire ocean is a holy place that no infidel is allowed to touch. :osama:
Does this mean I can't pee in it anymore? :(
Quote from: KRonn on May 02, 2011, 12:39:41 PM
I really haven't considered Obama soft on the wars and military actions the US has been fighting. He stepped up drone attacks and actions in Pakistan .He added troops and stepped up the Afghan fighting, though he set a quasi-timetable for withdrawal. But I don't think it's etched in stone, and contingent to some extent on what the situation is. The US was still attacking AQ types in Yemen, with the govt there allowing it and going along. He hasn't seemed to be soft on the anti-radical war.
How is Fox spinning this? "African-American male confesses to murder of homeless elderly man" or something else? ;)
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 02, 2011, 12:42:33 PM
I'll never understand the hyper-susceptibility to conspiracy theories in that part of the world. And also on pdox OT.
Magical thinking. The inability to correctly ascertain cause and effect.
We had taken a beef roast out of the freezer to cook for today's dinner. If I had known this was going to happen, we'd have had a pork roast instead.
Good job, Mr President.
Quote from: garbon on May 02, 2011, 11:40:13 AM
Obviously I wouldn't have thought about it, but kind of interesting.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/httphealthlandtimecom20110502whosbinladenkidsbornafter911wanttoknowxidrssfullhealthsciyahoo
QuoteWho's Bin Laden? Kids Born After 9/11 Want to Know
President Obama certainly wasn't taking the sensibilities of West Coast children into consideration when he made his stunner of a speech Sunday night: Osama bin Laden is dead. It took parents by surprise. We weren't ready, had no time to hustle the kids into bed before flipping on the television.
Minutes before, my girls, 3 and 6, had been frolicking in their bubble bath. Now, shivering in towels, these children born after four airplanes attacked a September sky, had a question: who is Bin Laden?
My 3-year old asked me who bin Laden was when he saw his pic in a news article on my phone (he was looking for any excuse to not sleep). I just told him he was a bad guy who had hurt a lot of people and that we "got him". That seemed to be enough to satisfy his curiosity. I think he could have handled more details but since he didn't press for any I let it go.
Quote from: Legbiter on May 02, 2011, 01:13:14 PM
Quote from: KRonn on May 02, 2011, 12:39:41 PM
I really haven't considered Obama soft on the wars and military actions the US has been fighting. He stepped up drone attacks and actions in Pakistan .He added troops and stepped up the Afghan fighting, though he set a quasi-timetable for withdrawal. But I don't think it's etched in stone, and contingent to some extent on what the situation is. The US was still attacking AQ types in Yemen, with the govt there allowing it and going along. He hasn't seemed to be soft on the anti-radical war.
How is Fox spinning this? "African-American male confesses to murder of homeless elderly man" or something else? ;)
"Dazzling Urbanite kills homeowner in home invasion."
Certainly, the fact that Pakistani Press has published an internet photoshop edit as the true picture of the dead osama is going to be the cause of eternal conspiracy theories...
I really fucking hope they still have the body
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2011, 04:04:43 PM
I really fucking hope they still have the body
The Arabian Sea does.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/usama-bin-laden/view (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/usama-bin-laden/view)
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Doesn't seem like much of a mansion. Maybe by Pakistani standards?
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Norwegian papers are bitching about the illegality of the "extra-legal" killing, and the illegality of the the burial at sea. Apparently islam condemns dumping the bodies of murderers at sea.
Funny that it doesn't seem to condemn suicide bombers, child molesterers and rapists.
Quote from: Slargos on May 02, 2011, 04:31:50 PM
Apparently islam condemns dumping the bodies of murderers at sea.
Man they have rules for everything.
LOL that doesn't exactly look like a mansion:
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:lol:
Square footage looks pretty respectable. Also can't see the courtyard from the picture.
ABC News has footage of what it claims is inside the compound:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/osama-bin-laden-dead-inside-pakistan-kill-site-13507839
Quote from: Slargos on May 02, 2011, 04:31:50 PM
Norwegian papers are bitching about the illegality of the "extra-legal" killing, and the illegality of the the burial at sea. Apparently islam condemns dumping the bodies of murderers at sea.
Funny that it doesn't seem to condemn suicide bombers, child molesterers and rapists.
*shrug*
It keeps them employed and off the streets.
Let it go.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 02, 2011, 05:20:22 PM
Square footage looks pretty respectable. Also can't see the courtyard from the picture.
Yes ABC said it was 8 or so times the size of other 'mansions'/complexes* in the area.
*actually we need to be more precise with the terminology, I think Pakistani government safe house would be more accurate.
A picture of Obama when Seth Meyers made a joke about Bin Laden at the correspondence dinner! :lol:
http://twitpic.com/4s777w
Quote from: Slargos on May 02, 2011, 04:31:50 PM
Norwegian papers are bitching about the illegality of the "extra-legal" killing, and the illegality of the the burial at sea. Apparently islam condemns dumping the bodies of murderers at sea.
Funny that it doesn't seem to condemn suicide bombers, child molesterers and rapists.
Illegality of the burial?
From what I read, it sounds like this was built specifically for him. Somebody really important was knew he was there. <_<
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2011, 04:04:43 PM
I really fucking hope they still have the body
I'd think he'd be coming out the arse-end of crabs by about right now. First edition anyway.
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I have no idea if this will help Obama politically, and don't really care. I'm just happy the bastard is dead and that our people killed him.
*shrug* We'll see. Remember how everyone loved George H. W. Bush after the Gulf War ended and his approval rating was like 95%? :)
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
*shrug* We'll see. Remember how everyone loved George H. W. Bush after the Gulf War ended and his approval rating was like 95%? :)
George H.W. Bush faced William J. Clinton, Obama is facing the second most crazy of Palin, Bachman, Trump, Gingerich and Romney.
Alot of people thought Clinton was kind of a joke prior to and early on in the 1992 campaign. :contract:
What is interesting is that Bin Laden was in this mega mansion living comfortably all safely...
Already the hypocrisy of him telling people to go off and kill themselves whilst he does nothing was there but now there's another level of people being made to live in crappy conditions and give up their worldly possessions whilst he has all that.
I really wonder what happened in the raid though. Did he go for a gun?
QuoteAlot of people thought Clinton was kind of a joke prior to and early on in the 1992 campaign. :contract:
There's crappy presidential candidates then there's people you wouldn't trust to watch your kid for 5 minutes let alone your country for 4 years.
I would trust Clinton around my kids, sure. Unless they were teenaged daughters. :ph34r:
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Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 05:34:59 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 02, 2011, 04:31:50 PM
Norwegian papers are bitching about the illegality of the "extra-legal" killing, and the illegality of the the burial at sea. Apparently islam condemns dumping the bodies of murderers at sea.
Funny that it doesn't seem to condemn suicide bombers, child molesterers and rapists.
Illegality of the burial?
That's Eurospeak for 'Waaah!' They're just pissed that they don't get to sell papers preaching hate about America for giving bin Laden a lengthy trial followed by a swift execution.
"The death penalty is wrong! Giving the enemy leadership more than 10 years in prison is cruel and unusual! Pay no attention to how we acted when we were at war last!"
Okay. I am kind of happy that the guy was killed instead of captured. While I would have liked to see him brought to America in chains, the practical problems would have been enormous.
Apparently, there were spontaneous celebrations in Columbia, Missouri last night.
Quote from: Slargos on May 02, 2011, 04:31:50 PM
Norwegian papers are bitching about the illegality of the "extra-legal" killing, and the illegality of the the burial at sea. Apparently islam condemns dumping the bodies of murderers at sea.
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Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
*shrug* We'll see. Remember how everyone loved George H. W. Bush after the Gulf War ended and his approval rating was like 95%? :)
Yeah, but the elder Bush would've shot the couriers, shook his fist at bin Laden, and then taken off in the helicopter.
:lol:
So how was the lead up to Obama announcing this?
I see a lot of the early posts with speculating and whatnot, was it a 'stop all programmes at x o'clock as the president will be saying something' thing or just something minor mentioned on the news or what?
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2011, 06:40:23 PM
I would trust Clinton around my kids, sure. Unless they were teenaged daughters. :ph34r:
He is the former.
Palin, Trump and co however....
I know that at least a few of the local affiliates preempted programing for this.
Quote from: The Larch on May 02, 2011, 07:21:41 AM
A honest question for the yanks, particulary to the ones of a more martial persuation: Will hard proof be produced at some point in the short or medium term about this operation and its results and/or particulars or do we have to trust the official statements at face value?
I'm just going to have to go out on a limb and take my chances on the "Wag-the-Capricorn One" machine, because this news, and they way it was done, is just too damned satisfying.
Simply really, really satisfying.
The White House is considering releasing photos and video. My only hope is that they avoid releasing anything that can identify the soldiers responsible. If some of them want to be know, that's fine, but I don't want to see soldier's families risk retaliation.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 09:09:32 PM
My only hope is that they avoid releasing anything that can identify the soldiers responsible. If some of them want to be know, that's fine, but I don't want to see soldier's families risk retaliation.
It's JSOC. I don't think that'll be a problem.
I love it. Nothing like big Ed on MSNBC rerunning GOP attacks on the cut-and-run community organizer from the 2008 campaign, like John McCain's "Obama will want to attack Pakistan" and he'd "telegraph his punches" soundbites.
I think those who questioned the grit of the freshman senator--nay, Palin's "professor of law"--got their fucking answers.
Gonna have to find another topic to hit the Kenyan with in 2012, fellas.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 09:11:13 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 09:09:32 PM
My only hope is that they avoid releasing anything that can identify the soldiers responsible. If some of them want to be know, that's fine, but I don't want to see soldier's families risk retaliation.
It's JSOC. I don't think that'll be a problem.
You're probably right, I just want them to make sure.
I'm surprised that it worked out so well. It was an extremely dangerous mission (flying into the midst of a town populated by Pakistani soldier), where something went really wrong (helicopter crash). It's a testament to the skill of the soldiers involved that none were wounded in the raid.
And you are right. It's very satisfying. Especially the reports that Bin Laden used his own wife as a human shield during the gunfight.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 09:19:07 PM
I love it. Nothing like big Ed on MSNBC rerunning GOP attacks on the cut-and-run community organizer from the 2008 campaign, like John McCain's "Obama will want to attack Pakistan" and he'd "telegraph his punches" soundbites.
I think those who questioned the grit of the freshman senator--nay, Palin's "professor of law"--got their fucking answers.
Gonna have to find another topic to hit the Kenyan with in 2012, fellas.
Full credit for Obama being in charge when bin Laden was finally run to ground, but damn, its not like he went in there and gunned them down himself. I don't know how this shows he has "grit".
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 09:19:07 PM
I love it. Nothing like big Ed on MSNBC rerunning GOP attacks on the cut-and-run community organizer from the 2008 campaign, like John McCain's "Obama will want to attack Pakistan" and he'd "telegraph his punches" soundbites.
I think those who questioned the grit of the freshman senator--nay, Palin's "professor of law"--got their fucking answers.
Gonna have to find another topic to hit the Kenyan with in 2012, fellas.
Full credit for Obama being in charge when bin Laden was finally run to ground, but damn, its not like he went in there and gunned them down himself. I don't know how this shows he has "grit".
The mission could have gone really bad. Eagle Claw bad. It was a risky enterprise.
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
Full credit for Obama being in charge when bin Laden was finally run to ground, but damn, its not like he went in there and gunned them down himself. I don't know how this shows he has "grit".
Well, he actually had the balls to have him killed. That's something.
Does anyone really think Bush or Clinton or Bush Sr. or Cart...ok, maybe not Carter.
But really, its not like any other President would be all "No no, lets not kill Osama...."
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
Does anyone really think Bush or Clinton or Bush Sr. or Cart...ok, maybe not Carter.
But really, its not like any other President would be all "No no, lets not kill Osama...."
Carter
did order a similar mission. A mission that failed.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 09:37:37 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
Does anyone really think Bush or Clinton or Bush Sr. or Cart...ok, maybe not Carter.
But really, its not like any other President would be all "No no, lets not kill Osama...."
Carter did order a similar mission. A mission that failed.
Helicopters with maintenance problems then too.
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
Does anyone really think Bush or Clinton or Bush Sr. or Cart...ok, maybe not Carter.
But really, its not like any other President would be all "No no, lets not kill Osama...."
At this point I'm willing to give him credit anytime something good happens. At least that way, I can pretend my president stands for something.
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
Does anyone really think Bush or Clinton or Bush Sr. or Cart...ok, maybe not Carter.
But really, its not like any other President would be all "No no, lets not kill Osama...."
Not Clinton, no. And I'm not 100% sure about Bush-41.
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 09:19:07 PM
I love it. Nothing like big Ed on MSNBC rerunning GOP attacks on the cut-and-run community organizer from the 2008 campaign, like John McCain's "Obama will want to attack Pakistan" and he'd "telegraph his punches" soundbites.
I think those who questioned the grit of the freshman senator--nay, Palin's "professor of law"--got their fucking answers.
Gonna have to find another topic to hit the Kenyan with in 2012, fellas.
Full credit for Obama being in charge when bin Laden was finally run to ground, but damn, its not like he went in there and gunned them down himself. I don't know how this shows he has "grit".
He made the call to use the highest risk option to US forces. Could've JDAM'd him from 10,000 feet. Could've asked for Pakistani assistance to assuage their sensitivities. But no. He opted for the Special Forces takedown, with two to the head.
How *do* you fly helicopters all the way to Islamabad without sirens going off?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 02, 2011, 11:36:11 PM
How *do* you fly helicopters all the way to Islamabad without sirens going off?
From an article I read earlier this evening
QuoteBefore dawn Monday morning, a pair of helicopters left Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan. The choppers entered Pakistani airspace using sophisticated technology intended to evade that country's radar systems, a U.S. official said.
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2011, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
Does anyone really think Bush or Clinton or Bush Sr. or Cart...ok, maybe not Carter.
But really, its not like any other President would be all "No no, lets not kill Osama...."
Not Clinton, no. And I'm not 100% sure about Bush-41.
When did Clinton say, "No no, lets not kill Osama..."
Obama: "And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act and we will take them out. We will kill bin Laden; we will crush Al Qaida."
McCain: "You know, my hero is a guy named Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt used to say walk softly -- talk softly, but carry a big stick. Senator Obama likes to talk loudly. In fact, he said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan. Remarkable. You know, if you are a country and you're trying to gain the support of another country, then you want to do everything you can that they would act in a cooperative fashion. When you announce that you're going to launch an attack into another country, it's pretty obvious that you have the effect that it had in Pakistan: It turns public opinion against us."
Obama: "What I said was the same thing that the audience here today heard me say, which is, if Pakistan is unable or unwilling to hunt down bin Laden and take him out, then we should. Now, that I think has to be our policy, because they are threatening to kill more Americans. Now, Senator McCain suggests that somehow, you know, I'm green behind the ears and, you know, I'm just spouting off, and he's somber and responsible."
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I like to think that Osama ended like Hitler in Inglorious Basterds.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 11:38:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2011, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
Does anyone really think Bush or Clinton or Bush Sr. or Cart...ok, maybe not Carter.
But really, its not like any other President would be all "No no, lets not kill Osama...."
Not Clinton, no. And I'm not 100% sure about Bush-41.
When did Clinton say, "No no, lets not kill Osama..."
QuoteOsama bin Laden: missed opportunities
The CIA had pictures. Why wasn't the al-Qaida leader captured or killed?
By Lisa Myers Senior investigative correspondent
NBC News
updated 3/17/2004
As the 9/11 commission investigates what Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush might have done to prevent the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, one piece of evidence the commission will examine is a videotape secretly recorded by a CIA plane high above Afghanistan. The tape shows a man believed to Osama bin Laden walking at a known al-Qaida camp.
The question for the 9/11 commission: If the CIA was able to get that close to bin Laden before 9/11, why wasn't he captured or killed? The videotape has remained secret until now.
Over the next three nights, NBC News will present this incredible spy footage and reveal some of the difficult questions it has raised for the 9/11 commission.
In 1993, the first World Trade Center bombing killed six people.
In 1998, the bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa killed 224.
Both were the work of al-Qaida and bin Laden, who in 1998 declared holy war on America, making him arguably the most wanted man in the world.
In 1998, President Clinton announced, "We will use all the means at our disposal to bring those responsible to justice, no matter what or how long it takes."
NBC News has obtained, exclusively, extraordinary secret video, shot by the U.S. government. It illustrates an enormous opportunity the Clinton administration had to kill or capture bin Laden. Critics call it a missed opportunity.
In the fall of 2000, in Afghanistan,
unmanned, unarmed spy planes
called Predators flew over known
al-Qaida training camps. The
pictures that were transmitted live
to CIA headquarters show al-
Qaida terrorists firing at targets,
conducting military drills and then
scattering on cue through the
desert.
Also, that fall, the Predator
captured even more extraordinary
pictures — a tall figure in flowing
white robes. Many intelligence
analysts believed then and now it
is bin Laden.
Why does U.S. intelligence believe it
was bin Laden? NBC showed the
video to William Arkin, a former
intelligence officer and now
military analyst for NBC. "You see
a tall man.... You see him
surrounded by or at least protected
by a group of guards."
Bin Laden is 6 foot 5. The man in
the video clearly towers over those around him and seems to be
treated with great deference.
Another clue: The video was shot
at Tarnak Farm, the walled
compound where bin Laden is
known to live. The layout of the
buildings in the Predator video
perfectly matches secret U.S.
intelligence photos and diagrams
of Tarnak Farm obtained by NBC.
"It's dynamite. It's putting together
all of the pieces, and that doesn't
happen every day.... I guess you
could say we've done it once, and
this is it," Arkin added.
The tape proves the Clinton
administration was aggressively
tracking al-Qaida a year before 9
/11. But that also raises one
enormous question: If the U.S.
government had bin Laden and the camps in its sights in real time,
why was no action taken against
them?
"We were not prepared to take the
military action necessary," said
retired Gen. Wayne Downing, who
ran counter-terror efforts for the
current Bush administration and is
now an NBC analyst.
Global dragnet
"We should have had strike forces
prepared to go in and react to this
intelligence, certainly cruise
missiles — either air- or sea-
launched — very, very accurate,
could have gone in and hit those
targets," Downing added.
Gary Schroen, a former CIA station
chief in Pakistan, says the White
House required the CIA to attempt
to capture bin Laden alive, rather
than kill him.
What impact did the wording of
the orders have on the CIA's ability
to get bin Laden? "It reduced the
odds from, say, a 50 percent
chance down to, say, 25 percent
chance that we were going to be
able to get him," said Schroen.
A Democratic member of the 9/11
commission says there was a larger
issue: The Clinton administration
treated bin Laden as a law
enforcement problem.
Bob Kerry, a former senator and
current 9/11 commission member,
said, "The most important thing
the Clinton administration could
have done would have been for the
president, either himself or by
going to Congress, asking for a
congressional declaration to
declare war on al-Qaida, a
military-political organization that
had declared war on us."
In reality, getting bin Laden would
have been extraordinarily difficult.
He was a moving target deep inside
Afghanistan. Most military
operations would have been high-
risk. What's more, Clinton was
weakened by scandal, and there was no political consensus for bold
action, especially with an election
weeks away.
NBC News contacted the three top
Clinton national security officials.
None would do an on-camera
interview. However, they
vigorously defend their record and
say they disrupted terrorist cells
and made al-Qaida a top national
security priority.
"We used military force, we used
covert operations, we used all of
the tools available to us because w
e realized what a serious threat
this was," said President Clinton's
former national security adviser
James Steinberg.
One Clinton Cabinet official said,
looking back, the military should
have been more involved, "We did
a lot, but we did not see the
gathering storm that was out
there."
That poem sucks. Even Shatner reciting it couldn't save it.
Quote from: Syt on May 03, 2011, 12:39:22 AM
That poem sucks. Even Shatner reciting it couldn't save it.
It's more of a saga.
Did Ank write it?
Quote from: Syt on May 03, 2011, 12:39:22 AM
That poem sucks. Even Shatner reciting it couldn't save it.
Shatner can save anything!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 03, 2011, 12:52:31 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 03, 2011, 12:39:22 AM
That poem sucks. Even Shatner reciting it couldn't save it.
Shatner can save anything!
No he can't:
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Well, to be fair, no one has ever been able to answer the question, "What does God need with a starship?"
Good comeback Syt. :face:
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
*shrug* We'll see. Remember how everyone loved George H. W. Bush after the Gulf War ended and his approval rating was like 95%? :)
Stop quoting Facebook posts by your wife. :P
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 09:21:20 PM
into the midst of a town populated by Pakistani soldier
Wow, the guy must be pretty fast.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 02, 2011, 11:36:11 PM
How *do* you fly helicopters all the way to Islamabad without sirens going off?
How do you know that the sirens didn't go off?
Have we had this one yet?
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Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2011, 06:36:19 PM
Alot of people thought Clinton was kind of a joke prior to and early on in the 1992 campaign. :contract:
Those that had even heard of him, which most people outside of Arkansas hadn't.
In late 1991 and early 1992, the media dubbed the 7 announced Democratic candidates as "The Seven Dwarfs" and Clinton was probably the most obscure of those (the others were mostly Senators, who tend to be better known outside their home states than governors).
Quote from: Brazen on May 03, 2011, 03:11:52 AM
Have we had this one yet?
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:yes:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 02, 2011, 07:21:41 AM
A honest question for the yanks, particulary to the ones of a more martial persuation: Will hard proof be produced at some point in the short or medium term about this operation and its results and/or particulars or do we have to trust the official statements at face value?
I'm just going to have to go out on a limb and take my chances on the "Wag-the-Capricorn One" machine, because this news, and they way it was done, is just too damned satisfying.
Simply really, really satisfying.
I managed to find this:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54132.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54132.html)
QuoteSources: Osama bin Laden burial video may be released
The Associated Press is citing two Pentagon officials who say that a video of Osama bin Laden's burial at sea will likely be made public soon, perhaps along with photos of his corpse.
The terrorist leader was dropped into the North Arabian Sea from the deck of the USS Carl Vinson early Monday.
Briefing reporters at the White House on Monday, Deputy National Security Advisor John Brennan said the administration would likely release a photo of bin Laden, but would do so cautiously. "We don't want to do anything to compromise our ability to be successful the next time we get one of these guys and take him off the battlefield," he said.
Also:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html#ixzz1LFIKX93k (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html#ixzz1LFIKX93k)
QuoteOsama bin Laden raid yields trove of computer data
The assault force of Navy SEALs snatched a trove of computer drives and disks during their weekend raid on Osama bin Laden's compound, yielding what a U.S. official called "the mother lode of intelligence."
The special operations forces grabbed personal computers, thumb drives and electronic equipment during the lightning raid that killed bin Laden, officials told POLITICO.
"They cleaned it out," one official said. "Can you imagine what's on Osama bin Laden's hard drive?"
U.S. officials are about to find out. The material is being examined at a secret location in Afghanistan.
"Hundreds of people are going through it now," an official said, adding that intelligence operatives back in Washington are very excited to find out what they have.
"It's going to be great even if only 10 percent of it is actionable," the official said.
Savoring the military and intelligence triumph, officials late Monday described new details about how the mission unfolded:
The SEALs took fire on their way to the compound's third floor, where bin Laden had been sleeping, officials said. The encounter with bin Laden lasted only seconds, and ended with a kill shot to his face.
The team's photos of bin Laden are gruesome, complicating officials' deliberations about whether to release them.
Officials also have images of bin Laden in a white shroud before his burial at sea.
The raid was not supposed to last more than 30 minutes. The forces finished in 38 minutes, even though they lost one of their choppers and had to go to a back-up plan.
Four helicopters were used in the raid. Two went in, and two were in reserve.
Hovering above the compound on the way in, one of the choppers developed a mechanical problem that caused it to lose lift, officials said. The pilot made a controlled landing, according to the officials. When he couldn't get the bird airborne again, the SEALs blew it up and left in one of the reserves.
Officials described the reaction of the special operators when they were told a number of weeks ago that they had been chosen to train for the mission.
"They were told, 'We think we found Osama bin Laden, and your job is to kill him,'" an official recalled.
The SEALs started to cheer.
Radioing a commander on Sunday, the team reported the capture with a pre-arranged signal: "Geronimo!"
I expected we would hear about intel gathered during the raid, what has not been said yet is if they took anyone alive, does not seem that way, but then that means there was only 4 people in the house? Hmm.
Quote from: lustindarkness on May 03, 2011, 03:42:12 AM
I expected we would hear about intel gathered during the raid, what has not been said yet is if they took anyone alive, does not seem that way, but then that means there was only 4 people in the house? Hmm.
At some point it was mentioned that 2-3 people were taken prisoner and would be transported to Gitmo, but details seem to be wavering. For instance, it seems that there are contradicting reports regarding the killing of the bin Laden wife that was in the building, about wether he was armed or not, and about the woman used as a human shield.
Quote from: Caliga on May 02, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
*shrug* We'll see. Remember how everyone loved George H. W. Bush after the Gulf War ended and his approval rating was like 95%? :)
Yeah, some people tend to forget that you never win elections based on past performance. Churchill is probably the best example of that. The public will elect the person/party they believe has the best ideas for the
future. But they will not reward a leader for something good he or she did in the past. The memory of the public opinion is short and shallow, and the election is more than a year away.
As for Obamas chance to get reelected I would say it will all depend on very basic things, unemployment and household economy. Clinton (or whoever it was) was not too far off with "its the economy, stupid".
What about that other guy, the head of Taliban, Omar something?
Quote from: Monoriu on May 03, 2011, 05:14:36 AM
What about that other guy, the head of Taliban, Omar something?
Mullah Mohammad Omar? IIRC it's not certain that he's still alive, but even if he is I'm not sure he'd be the target of a kill operation like Osama was. :hmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 11:38:52 PM
McCain: "You know, my hero is a guy named Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt used to say walk softly -- talk softly, but carry a big stick. Senator Obama likes to talk loudly. In fact, he said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan. Remarkable. You know, if you are a country and you're trying to gain the support of another country, then you want to do everything you can that they would act in a cooperative fashion. When you announce that you're going to launch an attack into another country, it's pretty obvious that you have the effect that it had in Pakistan: It turns public opinion against us."
McCain was so full of shit. I remember this exchange and remember thinking so at the time, too. If he'd been elected he would have taken bin Laden out, too... maybe he would have used a MOAB instead of doing the commando-style raid Obama did, but either way bin Laden would have been dead as a MRF.
Quote from: Caliga on May 03, 2011, 05:28:36 AM
McCain was so full of shit. I remember this exchange and remember thinking so at the time, too. If he'd been elected he would have taken bin Laden out, too... maybe he would have used a MOAB instead of doing the commando-style raid Obama did, but either way bin Laden would have been dead as a MRF.
My point is: attacks on Obama's ability to make the calls that matter were erroneous. Oh, and they're not applicable in 2012, either.
Shit and filth like this--
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--aren't going to work for the GOP anymore. Time to work another angle, Teabaggers.
I've still got a murder boner.
Quote from: citizen k on May 03, 2011, 12:37:19 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 11:38:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2011, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
Does anyone really think Bush or Clinton or Bush Sr. or Cart...ok, maybe not Carter.
But really, its not like any other President would be all "No no, lets not kill Osama...."
Not Clinton, no. And I'm not 100% sure about Bush-41.
When did Clinton say, "No no, lets not kill Osama..."
QuoteOsama bin Laden: missed opportunities
The CIA had pictures. Why wasn't the al-Qaida leader captured or killed?
By Lisa Myers Senior investigative correspondent
NBC News
updated 3/17/2004
As the 9/11 commission investigates what Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush might have done to prevent the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, one piece of evidence the commission will examine is a videotape secretly recorded by a CIA plane high above Afghanistan. The tape shows a man believed to Osama bin Laden walking at a known al-Qaida camp.
The question for the 9/11 commission: If the CIA was able to get that close to bin Laden before 9/11, why wasn't he captured or killed? The videotape has remained secret until now.
Over the next three nights, NBC News will present this incredible spy footage and reveal some of the difficult questions it has raised for the 9/11 commission.
In 1993, the first World Trade Center bombing killed six people.
In 1998, the bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa killed 224.
Both were the work of al-Qaida and bin Laden, who in 1998 declared holy war on America, making him arguably the most wanted man in the world.
In 1998, President Clinton announced, "We will use all the means at our disposal to bring those responsible to justice, no matter what or how long it takes."
NBC News has obtained, exclusively, extraordinary secret video, shot by the U.S. government. It illustrates an enormous opportunity the Clinton administration had to kill or capture bin Laden. Critics call it a missed opportunity.
The fact that Clinton
did launch cruise missiles at Bin Laden, or at least his camps, indicates he was willing to kill him.
This stuff about equating Pres Obama with bin Laden is just disgusting. Just negates the views of someone spewing that crap. Sadly though, it's part of the political nastiness that goes on, which seems to have gotten worse over the past fifteen years or so, and I don't see it abating anytime soon. Getting worse as the left and the right, mainly the extremes of each, get more rabid towards each other.
Quote
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/02/muslim-world-had-soured-on-bin-laden-since-911/?hpt=T2
By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
(CNN) – Though large swaths of the Muslim world cheered Osama bin Laden after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, there has been relatively little sympathy expressed for him from those quarters since his killing Sunday - a testament to the dramatic falloff in global Muslim support for the al Qaeda leader in the last decade.
While the spontaneous street celebrations that broke out in American cities like New York and Washington over the news of bin Laden's killing by U.S. Special Forces have not been repeated in the Muslim world, there has been praise for his death from some Muslim political leaders.
In Yemen, which has been racked by unrest in recent months as hundreds of thousands have demanded the removal of President Ali Abdullah Saleh, bin Laden's killing has yielded a rare moment of political unity, with both Saleh's government and the opposition praising the development.
Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, meanwhile, hailed the killing as a "mega-landmark event," while certain quarters of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's newly emboldened opposition party, have also voiced support.
And while many other leaders from the Muslim world have so far been mum on bin Laden's death, virtually none have voiced overt criticism of the U.S.-led operation. Experts say that's largely because even Muslims in the Middle East, Asia and elsewhere who were once supportive of bin Laden soured on him years ago.
"When 9/11 first happened, people in the Muslim world weren't entirely sure it was bin Laden who was behind it," says Juan Cole, a professor of modern Middle East history at the University of Michigan. "He'd had this reputation of a freedom fighter who'd gotten the Soviets out of Afghanistan. He was a hero."
But as al Qaeda established affiliates throughout the Muslim world after the September 11 attacks - leading to deadly attacks that claimed Muslim lives in countries like Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Morocco - Muslim support waned.
"Terrorism went from being seen as something that happened 'over there' to something that affected Muslims themselves," says Cole.
A report issued Monday by the Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project showed support for bin Laden has dropped considerably in six predominantly Muslim countries since 2003.
The report, which drew on surveys conducted last month, found that confidence in bin Laden among Muslims in Jordan had fallen to 13% last month, compared to 56% in 2003.
In Indonesia, 26% of Muslims said they were confident in bin Laden, down from 59% in 2003.
Even in the Palestinian territories, where support for bin Laden last month was highest among all six majority Muslim nations surveyed, confidence in the terrorist leader stood at 34%, down from 72% in 2003.
In many countries, a steep falloff in Muslim support for bin Laden correlates to the time period when that country experienced major terrorist attacks, said Richard Wike, associate director of the Pew Global Attitudes Project.
In Jordan, support for bin Laden remained strong until 2005, when a trio of suicide bombings for which al Qaeda claimed responsibility killed dozens in the nation's capital. Since then, support for bin Laden has plummeted.
"Exposure to terrorism really changes opinions," Wike says.
U.S. President Barack Obama, for his part, has gone out of his way to avoid inflaming Muslims over bin Laden's killing.
"I've made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam," Obama said in a televised address Sunday night announcing bin Laden's death. "Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader. He was a mass murderer of Muslims. Indeed, al Qaeda slaughtered scores of Muslims in many countries including our own."
Wike notes that Obama's efforts to improve relations with the Muslim world has not led to more support for the U.S. in public opinion polls.
A Pew survey last year showed that just 17% of those in Egypt, Pakistan, Turkey - all countries where support for bin Laden had plummeted - had a positive opinion of the United States.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 03, 2011, 07:55:03 AM
The fact that Clinton did launch cruise missiles at Bin Laden, or at least his camps, indicates he was willing to kill him.
Clinton did a rather infamous interview with Chris Wallace @ FOX wherein he admitted not killing bin Laden was one of the biggest regrets of his presidency. He did however insist that he wanted to take Osama out and tried very hard to do so, and claimed that when Bush was elected he dismantled the operations that were designed to take him out, and then wondered alout why FOX wasn't beating Bush up about bin Laden.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 11:38:52 PM
Obama: "And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act and we will take them out. We will kill bin Laden; we will crush Al Qaida."
McCain: "You know, my hero is a guy named Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt used to say walk softly -- talk softly, but carry a big stick. Senator Obama likes to talk loudly. In fact, he said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan. Remarkable. You know, if you are a country and you're trying to gain the support of another country, then you want to do everything you can that they would act in a cooperative fashion. When you announce that you're going to launch an attack into another country, it's pretty obvious that you have the effect that it had in Pakistan: It turns public opinion against us."
To be fair to McCain, I don't read this as him saying that he wouldn't authorize this kind of attack. Rather, I think he was saying that it is something you just do, not say you are going to do in advance.
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Quote from: Brazen on May 03, 2011, 03:11:52 AM
Have we had this one yet?
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/1499/obamad.png (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/obamad.png/)
:yes:
Of course the easy rebuttal is something real and not just feel good. After all, depending on one's point of view, both of those things are long overdue. I don't subscribe to that on the birth certificate but clearly it doesn't take a herculean effort to produce.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2011, 11:38:24 PM
When did Clinton say, "No no, lets not kill Osama..."
Clinton had the chance to whack him in the 90s but passed up on it. His whole approach to combating terrorism was as if it were a law enforcement issue. Now admittedly that was before the second WTC attack, but I'm guessing you'd want to avoid a Dorseyesque argument over what a properly aged Clinton might do.
If you want someone killed you don't send missiles. That's for when you want to appear to want to have someone killed. Clinton ran like a girl from Somalia, didn't have the balls to tell people to stay the fuck out of his sex life and was ruled by his woman. But of course since teh ecnomony was OK and young people don't remember real presidents like Nixon Clinton will keep his halo. Fucking southern trash.
Morons who think Osama should have gotten "a fair trial" forget one important thing: you MUST NEVER give guys like Osama, Saddam or Adolf a fair trial. What if they get off on a technicality? The risk is unacceptable. Thankfully only fuckdorks like the Euros want bad guys to spend time at The Hague and then a retirement home in Sweden (like that Serb bitch whore).
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 03, 2011, 08:45:33 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 11:38:52 PM
Obama: "And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act and we will take them out. We will kill bin Laden; we will crush Al Qaida."
McCain: "You know, my hero is a guy named Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt used to say walk softly -- talk softly, but carry a big stick. Senator Obama likes to talk loudly. In fact, he said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan. Remarkable. You know, if you are a country and you're trying to gain the support of another country, then you want to do everything you can that they would act in a cooperative fashion. When you announce that you're going to launch an attack into another country, it's pretty obvious that you have the effect that it had in Pakistan: It turns public opinion against us."
To be fair to McCain, I don't read this as him saying that he wouldn't authorize this kind of attack. Rather, I think he was saying that it is something you just do, not say you are going to do in advance.
Yeah, that seems more like what McCain was saying. In fact, it's pretty much what Pres Obama did, launched an attack and told the Pakistanis afterward. No choice though, of course; bin Laden would have been tipped off otherwise.
I think Osama should have been tried by a jury of his peers. :yes:
Quote from: The Larch on May 03, 2011, 03:35:28 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2011, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 02, 2011, 07:21:41 AM
A honest question for the yanks, particulary to the ones of a more martial persuation: Will hard proof be produced at some point in the short or medium term about this operation and its results and/or particulars or do we have to trust the official statements at face value?
I'm just going to have to go out on a limb and take my chances on the "Wag-the-Capricorn One" machine, because this news, and they way it was done, is just too damned satisfying.
Simply really, really satisfying.
I managed to find this:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54132.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54132.html)
QuoteSources: Osama bin Laden burial video may be released
The Associated Press is citing two Pentagon officials who say that a video of Osama bin Laden's burial at sea will likely be made public soon, perhaps along with photos of his corpse.
The terrorist leader was dropped into the North Arabian Sea from the deck of the USS Carl Vinson early Monday.
Briefing reporters at the White House on Monday, Deputy National Security Advisor John Brennan said the administration would likely release a photo of bin Laden, but would do so cautiously. "We don't want to do anything to compromise our ability to be successful the next time we get one of these guys and take him off the battlefield," he said.
Also:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html#ixzz1LFIKX93k (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html#ixzz1LFIKX93k)
QuoteOsama bin Laden raid yields trove of computer data
The assault force of Navy SEALs snatched a trove of computer drives and disks during their weekend raid on Osama bin Laden's compound, yielding what a U.S. official called "the mother lode of intelligence."
The special operations forces grabbed personal computers, thumb drives and electronic equipment during the lightning raid that killed bin Laden, officials told POLITICO.
"They cleaned it out," one official said. "Can you imagine what's on Osama bin Laden's hard drive?"
U.S. officials are about to find out. The material is being examined at a secret location in Afghanistan.
"Hundreds of people are going through it now," an official said, adding that intelligence operatives back in Washington are very excited to find out what they have.
"It's going to be great even if only 10 percent of it is actionable," the official said.
"We have searched his base from top to bottom, and all we have found is porno, porno, PORNO!" :mad:
Quote from: Syt on May 03, 2011, 10:28:32 AM
I think Osama should have been tried by a jury of his peers. :yes:
Jewish, Christian, Hindu and Shiite religious fanatics?
Quote from: Viking on May 03, 2011, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 03, 2011, 10:28:32 AM
I think Osama should have been tried by a jury of his peers. :yes:
Jewish, Christian, Hindu and Shiite religious fanatics?
C'mon, that would have been hillarious.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 03, 2011, 10:35:10 AM
"We have searched his base from top to bottom, and all we have found is porno, porno, PORNO!" :mad:
Or better yet, some bizarre niche stuff.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 03, 2011, 10:35:10 AM
"We have searched his base from top to bottom, and all we have found is porno, porno, PORNO!" :mad:
It would be awesome if they found a bunch of horrific nasty porn on there and made it public.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 03, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 03, 2011, 10:35:10 AM
"We have searched his base from top to bottom, and all we have found is porno, porno, PORNO!" :mad:
It would be awesome if they found a bunch of horrific nasty porn on there and made it public.
I don't think Osama has actually any reputation that needs to be ruined. :secret:
In death, Osama annoys me more. I now have to show my id badge before using it to activate the security gates at work. <_<
Quote from: derspiess on May 03, 2011, 09:28:15 AM
Clinton had the chance to whack him in the 90s but passed up on it. His whole approach to combating terrorism was as if it were a law enforcement issue. Now admittedly that was before the second WTC attack, but I'm guessing you'd want to avoid a Dorseyesque argument over what a properly aged Clinton might do.
Both Bushes passed up chances to whack bin Laden as well. In fact, Bush II didn't even declare war on bin Laden or AQ until they had killed almost 3,000 Americans, and even
then passed on chances to whack bin Laden at Tora Bora.
Quote from: garbon on May 03, 2011, 11:13:19 AM
In death, Osama annoys me more. I now have to show my id badge before using it to activate the security gates at work. <_<
:lol: So Osama is tightening his security
now? How funny.
Quote from: derspiess on May 03, 2011, 10:42:07 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 03, 2011, 10:35:10 AM
"We have searched his base from top to bottom, and all we have found is porno, porno, PORNO!" :mad:
Or better yet, some bizarre niche stuff.
Burqake Sluts
Booty Jihad #6
Blonde Bombshells #9
Tight and Yanqi #2
Halal Cock in Infidel Teens #15
Qum'ran Whores
Jud Süß
Sinfidel Cougars
And of course the collected archives of Suicide Girls.
Quote from: The Brain on May 03, 2011, 10:14:11 AM
Morons who think Osama should have gotten "a fair trial" forget one important thing: you MUST NEVER give guys like Osama, Saddam or Adolf a fair trial. What if they get off on a technicality? The risk is unacceptable. Thankfully only fuckdorks like the Euros want bad guys to spend time at The Hague and then a retirement home in Sweden (like that Serb bitch whore).
Aren't you a Euro fuckdork too? :hmm:
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This sounds great. Is it real?
Quote from: Ideologue on May 03, 2011, 11:33:51 AM
This sounds great. Is it real?
No idea. Go and google it.
Quote from: Ideologue on May 03, 2011, 11:33:51 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 03, 2011, 10:14:11 AM
Morons who think Osama should have gotten "a fair trial" forget one important thing: you MUST NEVER give guys like Osama, Saddam or Adolf a fair trial. What if they get off on a technicality? The risk is unacceptable. Thankfully only fuckdorks like the Euros want bad guys to spend time at The Hague and then a retirement home in Sweden (like that Serb bitch whore).
Aren't you a Euro fuckdork too? :hmm:
You're calling me a fuckdork? :wacko:
So does this mean the US has a credible excuse to leave Afghanistan now?
Quote from: grumbler on May 03, 2011, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 03, 2011, 09:28:15 AM
Clinton had the chance to whack him in the 90s but passed up on it. His whole approach to combating terrorism was as if it were a law enforcement issue. Now admittedly that was before the second WTC attack, but I'm guessing you'd want to avoid a Dorseyesque argument over what a properly aged Clinton might do.
Both Bushes passed up chances to whack bin Laden as well. In fact, Bush II didn't even declare war on bin Laden or AQ until they had killed almost 3,000 Americans, and even then passed on chances to whack bin Laden at Tora Bora.
The Clintonbashers love to bring up the whole Sudan-offered-him-up thing as an example of Clinton pussing out, when the word of the Sudanese government was about as honorable and trustworthy as Jaron near a drunk fat chick. And yes, Dubya's Administration whimped out at Tora Bora, as well as packed up the CIA's OBL unit in 2005. But that was after the RNC in NYC in 2004, after they were done wrapping themselves up in the American flag soaked in the blood of the FDNY, and after the DHS jacking up of the threat levels was no longer politically useful.
"terrorism as if it were a law enforcement issue"...too funny. Somebody forgot to tell the FBI they didn't have jurisdiction over WTC 1, Oklahoma City and the Space Needle. Silly Bureau.
Looks like our brief moment of national unity is over.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 03, 2011, 04:02:49 PM
Looks like our brief moment of national unity is over.
FoxNews, Newt Gingrish and that goofball Rush took the gloves off yesterday.
I demand that you give your President the credit he's due, Bilbo Teabaggins.
I remember hearing Rush howling with rage when Clinton supported welfare reform.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2011, 04:05:20 PM
I demand that you give your President the credit he's due, Bilbo Teabaggins.
Why don't you just save us the time and say right now that any praise I give the president is not enough?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2011, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 03, 2011, 04:02:49 PM
Looks like our brief moment of national unity is over.
FoxNews, Newt Gingrish and that goofball Rush took the gloves off yesterday.
I demand that you give your President the credit he's due, Bilbo Teabaggins.
I haven't seen anyone on Languish not give Obama credit for this. :mellow:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2011, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 03, 2011, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 03, 2011, 09:28:15 AM
Clinton had the chance to whack him in the 90s but passed up on it. His whole approach to combating terrorism was as if it were a law enforcement issue. Now admittedly that was before the second WTC attack, but I'm guessing you'd want to avoid a Dorseyesque argument over what a properly aged Clinton might do.
Both Bushes passed up chances to whack bin Laden as well. In fact, Bush II didn't even declare war on bin Laden or AQ until they had killed almost 3,000 Americans, and even then passed on chances to whack bin Laden at Tora Bora.
The Clintonbashers love to bring up the whole Sudan-offered-him-up thing as an example of Clinton pussing out, when the word of the Sudanese government was about as honorable and trustworthy as Jaron near a drunk fat chick.
My understanding of it was that the Sudanese government didn't just offer us bin Laden with no strings attached. Basically, they wanted us to look the other way about their human rights abuses, plus a few other things. Still, I'm not sure that Clinton should have turned down the deal, since we pretty much looked the other way on the Sudanese government's human rights abuses anyway.
I've also heard that Clinton wasn't sure that the evidence we had against bin Laden would have stood up in court.
Quote from: Valmy on May 03, 2011, 04:09:16 PM
I remember hearing Rush howling with rage when Clinton supported welfare reform.
I remember him complaining about the missile strikes on Bin Laden's camp during the impeachment hearings.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2011, 04:05:20 PM
FoxNews, Newt Gingrish and that goofball Rush took the gloves off yesterday.
What did they say?
Quote
I demand that you give your President the credit he's due, Bilbo Teabaggins.
I think the President gave himself enough credit to make up for it.
Quote from: derspiess on May 03, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2011, 04:05:20 PM
FoxNews, Newt Gingrish and that goofball Rush took the gloves off yesterday.
What did they say?
Quote
I demand that you give your President the credit he's due, Bilbo Teabaggins.
I think the President gave himself enough credit to make up for it.
Rush:
Quote"Ladies and gentlemen, virtually every tool, every apparatus, every technique, every policy used to affect a successful mission to kill Osama bin Laden was employed by this current administration and they campaigned on undermining and destroying and ending all of it. And now they claim credit for being gutsy and courageous when none of this would have been available to them if they had their druthers?"
Quote from: citizen k on May 03, 2011, 05:00:52 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 03, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2011, 04:05:20 PM
FoxNews, Newt Gingrish and that goofball Rush took the gloves off yesterday.
What did they say?
Quote
I demand that you give your President the credit he's due, Bilbo Teabaggins.
I think the President gave himself enough credit to make up for it.
Rush:
Quote“Ladies and gentlemen, virtually every tool, every apparatus, every technique, every policy used to affect a successful mission to kill Osama bin Laden was employed by this current administration and they campaigned on undermining and destroying and ending all of it. And now they claim credit for being gutsy and courageous when none of this would have been available to them if they had their druthers?”
I suppose that if we all had our druthers, bin Laden would never have done anything that would have given us a reason to go after him.
Actions speak louder than words, and I've been very happily surprised by the President's foreign and military policy overall (and his election rhetoric never went as far as Rush suggests here, though that of some of his supporters did).
Quote from: derspiess on May 03, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
I think the President gave himself enough credit to make up for it.
Don't agree that George W. Bush should have given himself so much of the credit.
Quote from: citizen k on May 03, 2011, 05:00:52 PM
Rush:
Quote"Ladies and gentlemen, virtually every tool, every apparatus, every technique, every policy used to affect a successful mission to kill Osama bin Laden was employed by this current administration and they campaigned on undermining and destroying and ending all of it. And now they claim credit for being gutsy and courageous when none of this would have been available to them if they had their druthers?"
People still give a shit what Rush Limbaugh says? :huh:
I mean, there is a guy who discovered that a schtick is entertaining, so thinks it will be 200 times as entertaining if he just repeats the exact same schtick 200 times.
He's worse than Neil in that regard. And nobody really pays any attention to Neil.
Quote from: grumblerPeople still give a shit what Rush Limbaugh says? :huh:
I mean, there is a guy who discovered that a schtick is entertaining, so thinks it will be 200 times as entertaining if he just repeats the exact same schtick 200 times.
He's worse than Neil in that regard. And nobody really pays any attention to Neil.
People would pay attention to Neil if:
A) he was an American, and
B) had a nationally syndicated radio program.
Kinda scary, isn't it?
:)
Just watch this report by Lindsey Hilsum, Channel 4 news, it has a lot of details about the compound and how much it stood out locally:
http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/030511/clipid/030511_4ON_OSAMAPAKISTAN_03 (http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/030511/clipid/030511_4ON_OSAMAPAKISTAN_03)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 03, 2011, 04:10:45 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 03, 2011, 04:05:20 PM
I demand that you give your President the credit he's due, Bilbo Teabaggins.
Why don't you just save us the time and say right now that any praise I give the president is not enough?
Any praise you give the president is not enough.
Quote from: The Larch on May 03, 2011, 03:47:32 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on May 03, 2011, 03:42:12 AM
I expected we would hear about intel gathered during the raid, what has not been said yet is if they took anyone alive, does not seem that way, but then that means there was only 4 people in the house? Hmm.
At some point it was mentioned that 2-3 people were taken prisoner and would be transported to Gitmo, but details seem to be wavering. For instance, it seems that there are contradicting reports regarding the killing of the bin Laden wife that was in the building, about wether he was armed or not, and about the woman used as a human shield.
"He should have armed himself."
Quote from: lustindarkness on May 03, 2011, 03:42:12 AM
I expected we would hear about intel gathered during the raid, what has not been said yet is if they took anyone alive, does not seem that way, but then that means there was only 4 people in the house? Hmm.
Not sure if it's been responded to yet, but I read that 22 people were in the compound and 3-4 were killed, the rest detained.
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 03, 2011, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: The Larch on May 03, 2011, 03:47:32 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on May 03, 2011, 03:42:12 AM
I expected we would hear about intel gathered during the raid, what has not been said yet is if they took anyone alive, does not seem that way, but then that means there was only 4 people in the house? Hmm.
At some point it was mentioned that 2-3 people were taken prisoner and would be transported to Gitmo, but details seem to be wavering. For instance, it seems that there are contradicting reports regarding the killing of the bin Laden wife that was in the building, about wether he was armed or not, and about the woman used as a human shield.
"He should have armed himself."
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He chose...poorly
Quote from: Alcibiades on May 03, 2011, 07:32:51 PMNot sure if it's been responded to yet, but I read that 22 people were in the compound and 3-4 were killed, the rest detained.
The rest were probably shitting themselves when the heavens opened, and Seal Team Six cast judgement upon them.
The Iraqis are quite pleased by the news.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/al-qaida-lose-grip-insurgents-iraq
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:bleeding:
Bin Laden's approval ratings (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/10-years-after-911-osama-bin-laden-no-longer-the-model-for-youth-driven-arab-uprisings/2011/05/02/AFWBGYbF_story.html) are pretty low across the Arab world these days. ~17% in Jordan, 30% in Palestine, where it used to be the highest, and 18% in Pakistan
Now it's probably higher in Europe than in the Arab world.
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Stewart was awesome on this! :D
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-osama-bin-laden-wasnt-hiding-in-pakistan-he-was-chilling-there/
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-2-2011/big-deady
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:lol:
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:D
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/bin-ladens-war-against-the-us-economy/2011/04/27/AFDOPjfF_blog.html
I thought this was an interesting piece, now that the initial elation is over.
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:mad: :contract:
I LOL'd
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 03, 2011, 11:24:51 PM
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:lmfao:
That is even better than the Birth Certificate one.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 03, 2011, 11:44:59 PM
Stewart was awesome on this! :D
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-osama-bin-laden-wasnt-hiding-in-pakistan-he-was-chilling-there/
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-2-2011/big-deady
I figured the 5/2 Daily Show would be a good one even though I haven't watched a full episode in ages. So I watched it on Hulu Plus last night. It did not disappoint :)
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Wife: so how exactly did they do the DNA test without the body? :unsure:
Me: easy. Just take some samples. Hair or something.
Wife: speaking of samples, I know exactly which body part they'd cut off :contract:
I am still happy about his demise.
Every time I travel, I am reminded that I have to pay an additional security tax, which the local tourism industry call the "bin laden" tax.
So yes, it is personal :mad:
"How perverted is the U.S. Government - '2 Girls 1 Cup in the White House'"
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"... and how is this going to prove Osama's death?"
"What comes out at the end is important!"
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 03, 2011, 11:44:59 PM
Stewart was awesome on this! :D
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-osama-bin-laden-wasnt-hiding-in-pakistan-he-was-chilling-there/
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-2-2011/big-deady
Stewart was hilarious!! :D
Quote from: Lettow77 on May 04, 2011, 02:13:52 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/bin-ladens-war-against-the-us-economy/2011/04/27/AFDOPjfF_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/bin-ladens-war-against-the-us-economy/2011/04/27/AFDOPjfF_blog.html)
I thought this was an interesting piece, now that the initial elation is over.
Indeed. Was it really worth almost sinking the entire economy, just to hunt down one guy? More lives (Western, I don't give a shit about the towel heads) have been lost in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars than have been lost to acts of terrorism, and they've certainly cost far more money. Wouldn't that cash have been better invested in MOABs and dropped randomly across the target areas?
The wars certainly haven't really solved anything, and they've resulted in yet more fifth column in our own societies.
Was this in fact an epic win for Osama?
I tend to think it might be so.
I liked Colbert's comment:
"Abottabad is 40 miles from Pakistan's capital Islamabad. That's like escaping Washington D.C. to hide in Baltimore ... only that Abottabad is much less dangerous."
Quote from: Slargos on May 04, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Was this in fact an epic win for Osama?
I tend to think it might be so.
If you think that it was, I am relieved. You have already been right once in the last year, so odds are overwhelmingly in favor of you being dead wrong here. :hug:
Quote from: Slargos on May 04, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Indeed. Was it really worth almost sinking the entire economy, just to hunt down one guy?
Not really but if you are going to do so you might as well be successful at it.
Quote from: Slargos on May 04, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Indeed. Was it really worth almost sinking the entire economy, just to hunt down one guy?
There were also plenty of other reasons of how the economy was battered and abused. :contract:
It's not that simple, Slarg. Osama wasn't just one guy. We know the terrorist but others knew the father, the husband, the guy who watches Jeopardy and shouts answers and then argues forever about how he was right when clearly he wasn't and how Trebek is a moron.
What's this rumor starting to go around about Obama not knowing about the raid until after it was already started? Is this what the birthers are moving on to now?
They should just quit while they're behind. Then again, may not. :hmm:
Quote from: grumbler on May 04, 2011, 02:28:32 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 04, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Was this in fact an epic win for Osama?
I tend to think it might be so.
If you think that it was, I am relieved. You have already been right once in the last year, so odds are overwhelmingly in favor of you being dead wrong here. :hug:
If you have too many chromosomes, it would explain your line of thought. :hug:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 04, 2011, 03:00:03 PM
What's this rumor starting to go around about Obama not knowing about the raid until after it was already started? Is this what the birthers are moving on to now?
:unsure:
Even if that was true... who cares? The President is supposed to know every single thing going on in the country at all times? I didn't realize the birthers wanted God to be Pres... oh wait, never mind, that makes sense. :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on May 04, 2011, 03:06:56 PMI didn't realize the birthers wanted God to be Pres... oh wait, never mind, that makes sense. :cool:
:lol:
So true, and also so sad.
I wish Obama had hired Tom Clancy as a consultant on this.
Quote
Live TV:
Obama: My fellow Americans. We have found Osama bin Laden. He is in this house in Abbottabad.
**Camera cuts to live feed of the compound from a camera operated by Seal Team 6. They are also operating a laser guidance system to paint the target.**
**boom**
Obama: Thank you for your time, and god bless America. Good night.
That would be a way for him to move into the BEST PRESADENT EVAR slot. :cool:
Quote from: Slargos on May 04, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Indeed. Was it really worth almost sinking the entire economy, just to hunt down one guy?
Usually it's only worth it to get a Nazi, but this is an exception.
QuoteWas this in fact an epic win for Osama?
I tend to think it might be so.
I hope that the terrorists win many more such victories.
Well, talk Abottabad place to hide.
My murder boner is finally starting to subside.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 04, 2011, 07:39:46 PM
My murder boner is finally starting to subside.
For erections lasting more then five hours, consult a physician.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 04, 2011, 08:02:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 04, 2011, 07:39:46 PM
My murder boner is finally starting to subside.
For erections lasting more then five hours, consult a physician.
I've used several topical creams.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 04, 2011, 08:02:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 04, 2011, 07:39:46 PM
My murder boner is finally starting to subside.
For erections lasting more then five hours, consult a physician.
Or just come already.
The local media is reporting that bid laden was taken into US custody for a few minutes, and then shot, execution style.
Personally, given what he did, I have absolutely no problem with that, even if it is true.
Quote from: Monoriu on May 04, 2011, 09:55:14 PM
The local media is reporting that bid laden was taken into US custody for a few minutes, and then shot, execution style.
Personally, given what he did, I have absolutely no problem with that, even if it is true.
Of course they'd think that, that's SOP for the Chinese.
QuoteBin Laden death prompts questions about legality
By FRANK JORDANS, Associated Press
GENEVA – The legality of U.S. forces shooting an unarmed Osama bin Laden hinges on a highly contentious and long-debated question: Is anti-terrorism part of a military campaign or a law-enforcement effort?
In war, enemy combatants who don't explicitly surrender are considered legitimate targets, international experts said. Bin Laden's killing in a military context would be legal under the scenario officially put out by the White House Wednesday — that bin Laden was unarmed but tried to resist being taken in.
In contrast, international human rights law dictates that police must use the greatest possible effort to capture suspects alive, barring direct threats to the lives of officers or civilians.
"There is a higher obligation not to use lethal force," said Andrea Prasow, senior counsel in Human Rights Watch's Terrorism and Counterterrorism Program.
"We don't have enough facts to know whether the killing was justified under international law," Prasow told AP. "We look forward to the U.S. government disclosing further information so we can understand exactly what happened. It may well have been a lawful killing in an armed conflict situation or it may have been a lawful killing in a law enforcement context."
The Obama administration strongly emphasized Wednesday that bin Laden's slaying by a Navy SEAL team was part of a legitimate military operation, with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder telling the Senate Judiciary Committee that the shooting was justified as an action of "national self-defense" against a lawful military target. Noting that bin Laden had admitted his involvement in the events of Sept. 11 nearly a decade ago, he said, "It's lawful to target an enemy commander in the field."
The U.S. position appeared to strengthen during the day as U.S. officials told The Associated Press that the SEALs killed bin Laden after they saw him appear to lunge for a weapon.
The officials, who were briefed on the operation, say several weapons were found in the room where the terror chief died, including AK-47s and personal side arms.
International experts said there was widespread disagreement about whether al-Qaida members such as bin Laden are legitimate military targets.
The U.N.'s independent investigator on extrajudicial killings, Christof Heyns, said this week that there was "considerable dispute in legal circles as to whether we are dealing with an armed conflict in respect of al-Qaida in Pakistan."
The International Committee of the Red Cross was holding a meeting on the issue Thursday and declined to comment beforehand.
Louise Doswald-Beck, a former legal chief for the Red Cross said, however, that bin Laden was clearly not an enemy combatant.
"He was basically head of a terrorist criminal network, which means that you're not really looking at the law of armed conflict but at lethal action against a dangerous criminal," she said.
There has been virtually no discussion in international legal circles of launching an investigation into bin Laden's death that could result in the prosecution of anyone involved. In many countries, however, the debate about the legitimacy of the killing could influence perceptions about U.S. foreign policy.
Doswald-Beck, who teaches law at Geneva's Graduate Institute, said only an independent investigation of bin Laden's body would be able to prove exactly how he died, and that had been rendered virtually impossible by the destruction of forensic evidence when he was buried at sea.
A U.S. official said the burial decision was made after concluding that it would have been difficult to find a country willing to accept bin Laden's remains. There was also concern that a grave site could have become a rallying point for militants.
"I think questions should be asked as to why they dumped him at sea, because that makes it impossible to conduct an independent investigation," Doswald-Beck said.
The call for more information on the raid gained added weight with a statement from the U.N.'s top human rights official.
"This was a complex operation, and it would be helpful if we knew the precise facts surrounding his killing," said U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay. "The United Nations has consistently emphasized that all counterterrorism acts must respect international law."
At the time of his death, bin Laden was subject to U.N. sanctions including an asset freeze and travel ban.
After he was indicted in the U.S. for the August 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the Security Council in October 1999 adopted a resolution demanding that the Taliban turn him over "without further delay" to appropriate authorities in a country "where he will be arrested and effectively brought to justice."
On September 28, 2001 — just over two weeks after the attacks on U.S. — the council ordered all states to "ensure that any person who participates in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or in supporting terrorist acts is brought to justice."
The U.S. government might point to several other provisions in that resolution to support its claim that bin Laden's killing was an act of self defense.
The resolution reaffirmed "the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense" recognized by the U.N. Charter and "the need to combat by all means, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, threats to international peace and security caused by terrorist acts." It was adopted under Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter which means the resolution can be enforced militarily.
Associated Press writers Nedra Pickler and Mark Sherman in Washington and Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations contributed to this story.
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Five Mistakes the Obama Administration Has Made in the Aftermath of Bin Laden Killing
By MARK HALPERIN
Aftermath can be heck.
The White House's brilliant conceptualization and execution of the plan to bring Osama bin Laden to justice has, in the last 48 hours, been complicated by mistakes.
No one can question the heroism of the US military, the doggedness of the intelligence community, or the cajones of the President in making the call. But the administration has since made real errors, some with political costs, some with substantive costs, and some with both. (See pictures of Osama bin Laden's Pakistan hideaway.)
The major errors so far:
1. Not getting its story straight: Was bin Laden armed or not? What woman served as a human shield? Who actually was killed beyond the main target? The administration deserves mountains of credit for its painstaking, conspicuous effort to brief the world on the mission, knowing a lot of information would have to be held back to protect sources, operatives, methods, and sensitive data. Which makes the carelessness of the errors somewhat surprising. The costs: the media coverage sours, the President's opponents (especially on talk radio) go crazy, other details of the mission unfairly get called into question, and the wild theories of global enemies and conspiracy seekers get a foothold.
2. Not giving George W. Bush enough credit for helping bring bin Laden to justice: Even if the White House believes the previous occupant had nothing to do with OBL's ultimate demise, it would have been better for national unity and Obama's own political fortunes if he had gone out of his way to thank 43. His invitation to Bush to join the event Thursday at Ground Zero (an offer declined) was the right idea, but belated. (Watch "President Obama on the Death of bin Laden.")
3. Letting the photo debate get out of control: The decision about whether to release images of a dead bin Laden is not an easy one. But the administration's conflicting statements and public agonizing has created an extended distraction. The White House has stumbled by violating one of Washington's iron rules: when something becomes famous inside the Beltway for not being released, the pressure from the media to release it becomes unrelenting.
4. Letting the debate about the war in Afghanistan get out of control: There are signs that some of the president's advisers are looking to scale back the commitment in Afghanistan sooner rather than later. But by failing to go on the offensive in defining and defending whatever policy the President wants to pursue, the White House has allowed those pressing for an end of the war to use bin Laden's death as rhetorical leverage. (See pictures of Osama bin Laden's life of terror.)
5. Letting the debate about Pakistan get out of control: The congressional and media demand for a radical change in America's relationship with Pakistan is burning like wildfire. The administration knows that a shift in policy is complicated and compromising, and not necessarily in the United States' interest. Stoking the problem: executive branch officials, publicly and privately, are expressing incredulity that the Pakistanis were unaware bin Laden was hiding in plain sight in their country. There should be and will be a debate about all this, but the administration's actions and inactions is making it less likely it will be on their terms.
What a disaster killing bin Laden has turned out to be - if only Obama had listened!
4 & 5 were inevitable. If Obama was the lovechild of Lincoln and TR it still would have happened.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 04, 2011, 06:21:55 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 04, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Indeed. Was it really worth almost sinking the entire economy, just to hunt down one guy?
Usually it's only worth it to get a Nazi, but this is an exception.
QuoteWas this in fact an epic win for Osama?
I tend to think it might be so.
I hope that the terrorists win many more such victories.
Well, I am glad you're confident about the cost-efficiency ratio. I'm merely saying I am not.
The opportunity cost of increased security measures in travel alone is staggering.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3562677/Fearless-four-legged-war-hero.html
QuoteHero dog helped snare Osama
A FEARLESS four-legged recruit joined US Special Forces as they stormed Osama Bin Laden's secret lair.
The explosive-sniffing dog was strapped to an assault team member as they took on one of their greatest challenges to date.
He was part of the operation in which the elite US Navy Seals lowered themselves down ropes from three Black Hawk helicopters into the terrorist supremo's hideout in the town of Abbottabad, Pakistan, on Sunday.
The world's most wanted man, 54, was shot dead by a Special Forces marksman during the raid.
Heavily armoured hounds — equipped with infrared night-sight cameras — have been used in the past by the top-secret unit.
The war dogs wear ballistic body armour that is said to withstand damage from single and double-edged knives, as well as protective gear which shields them from shrapnel and gunfire.
German Shepherds have been leading the way in SAS raids in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Wearing oxygen masks, the pooches have been trained to jump from aircraft at 25,000ft, before seeking out insurgents in hostile environments.
The animals will attack anyone carrying a weapon and have become a pivotal part of special operations as they crawl unnoticed into tunnels or rooms to hunt for enemy combatants.
The cameras on their heads beam live TV pictures back to the troops, providing them with critical information and warning of ambushes.
Dogs were also used in the capture of Saddam Hussein and in the killing of the Iraqi dictator's two sons.
That is tremendously Awesome.
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DOGS WITH FRIKKIN HEAD CAMERAS :cool:
http://costofwar.com/en/
That's a lot of moolah. :hmm:
I could post my article about the use of dogs in modern warfare. But you don't deserve it.
Quote from: Brazen on May 05, 2011, 04:43:41 AM
I could post my article about the use of dogs in modern warfare. But you don't deserve it.
:cry:
Pretty please? :blush:
Quote from: Brazen on May 05, 2011, 04:43:41 AM
I could post my article about the use of dogs in modern warfare. But you don't deserve it.
*puppy eyes*
Quote from: Brazen on May 05, 2011, 04:43:41 AM
I could post my article about the use of dogs in modern warfare. But you don't deserve it.
That's my girl. I'm proud of you.
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:cool:
QuoteThe U.N.'s independent investigator on extrajudicial killings, Christof Heyns, said this week that there was "considerable dispute in legal circles as to whether we are dealing with an armed conflict in respect of al-Qaida in Pakistan."
Can't the UN just go away already?
Quote from: Caliga on May 05, 2011, 04:16:08 AM
DOGS WITH FRIKKIN HEAD CAMERAS :cool:
Let slip the dogs of war!!!
Quote from: garbon on May 05, 2011, 07:07:35 AM
QuoteThe U.N.'s independent investigator on extrajudicial killings, Christof Heyns, said this week that there was "considerable dispute in legal circles as to whether we are dealing with an armed conflict in respect of al-Qaida in Pakistan."
Can't the UN just go away already?
Always too late :(
L.
Quote from: garbon on May 05, 2011, 07:07:35 AM
Can't the UN just go away already?
America already regards the UN as its senile old uncle. He says a lot of crazy shit and we just nod politely and go about our business. :)
Speaking of things...
Have you guys taken a closer look at the helicopter-wreck-debris in those pictures from Casa Bin Laden? What sort of helicopter is that? Doesnt look like anything Ive seen. Looks almost like some sort of stealth-version of a chopper...hasnt there been rumors about those for a while now.
Could be the reason why Paki-AA-defences didnt do anything.
I thought it was made clear at one point earlier that they were stealth choppers, yeah.... used intentionally to avoid Pakistani air defense detection.
Quote from: Bluebook on May 05, 2011, 08:01:15 AM
Speaking of things...
Have you guys taken a closer look at the helicopter-wreck-debris in those pictures from Casa Bin Laden? What sort of helicopter is that? Doesnt look like anything Ive seen. Looks almost like some sort of stealth-version of a chopper...hasnt there been rumors about those for a while now.
Could be the reason why Paki-AA-defences didnt do anything.
Customized Blackhawk. Many more blades in the rotors, so the blades can be shorter and the tips can turn more slowly and thus be more quiet (less blade tip roar). Radar-absorbing paint, plus rounded corners and the like, to make it hard to detect by radar. Much better heat dispersion and deeper engines, so IR sensors are less effective. I have no idea how much they cost, except that the answer starts with "more than..."
Quote from: Berkut on May 04, 2011, 11:02:55 PM
What a disaster killing bin Laden has turned out to be - if only Obama had listened!
Obama was considering taking Bin Laden to the ICC so it could slowly torture him to death Milošević style but our president has mercy in his heart.
Quote from: grumbler on May 05, 2011, 08:20:21 AM
Customized Blackhawk. Many more blades in the rotors, so the blades can be shorter and the tips can turn more slowly and thus be more quiet (less blade tip roar). Radar-absorbing paint, plus rounded corners and the like, to make it hard to detect by radar. Much better heat dispersion and deeper engines, so IR sensors are less effective. I have no idea how much they cost, except that the answer starts with "more than..."
Interesting. Any idea how effective those modífications are?
Apparently, very. :)
Quote from: Bluebook on May 05, 2011, 09:15:29 AM
Interesting. Any idea how effective those modífications are?
I don't know much about the paints or IR stuff, but I know the acoustics mods were very effective. The chopper isn't silent, but it is amazingly quiet for a helo, and more importantly it doesn't
sound like a helo - more like a sports car's turbocharger.
So now do we have to worry that the Pakistanis have a stealth version of a helo? And may pass on that info to nations we'd rather not help out with their stealth programs, like China, Iran? :unsure:
Quote from: KRonn on May 05, 2011, 09:29:41 AM
So now do we have to worry that the Pakistanis have a stealth version of a helo? And may pass on that info to nations we'd rather not help out with their stealth programs, like China, Iran? :unsure:
The helo itself was slagged because it had hit the wall of the compound with its rotors. The tail rotor was blown over the wall in the demolition. Not sure how much use it will be since none of the stuff I am aware of was really all that high-tech; it was mostly engineering and expense that made it unique.
Comm gear and whatnot was all recovered.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2011, 01:27:17 AM
4 & 5 were inevitable. If Obama was the lovechild of Lincoln and TR it still would have happened.
Yeah, and 1 was probably inevitable as well. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if even the guys on the Seal Team are really sure if he was armed or not. As for 2, who cares? The only real legitimate complaint is 3 IMO. On that one, a decision could have been made ahead of time as to whether or not we'd release pictures of the body if bin Laden was killed, and then an announcement one way or the other made immediately.
Obama should just keep killing until the killing's done. No fucking bleeding heart Euroweenies left standing.
Quote from: The Brain on May 05, 2011, 10:28:17 AM
Obama should just keep killing until the killing's done. No fucking bleeding heart Euroweenies left standing.
this post gave me a boner
I like to imagine that Obama paraphrased this when he gave the order. :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbB_HVcXpPk
I have now embargoed myself from reading or watching any Euro news sites. Euros acting like whiny pussies gets old.
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Quote from: Ed Anger on May 05, 2011, 06:59:02 PM
I have now embargoed myself from reading or watching any Euro news sites. Euros acting like whiny pussies gets old.
He's become more of a martyr to Europeans than to Muslims.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 05, 2011, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 05, 2011, 06:59:02 PM
I have now embargoed myself from reading or watching any Euro news sites. Euros acting like whiny pussies gets old.
He's become more of a martyr to Europeans than to Muslims.
No shit. WHO WILL STAND UP TO US IMPERIALISM NOW
Quote from: dps on May 05, 2011, 10:14:58 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2011, 01:27:17 AM
4 & 5 were inevitable. If Obama was the lovechild of Lincoln and TR it still would have happened.
Yeah, and 1 was probably inevitable as well. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if even the guys on the Seal Team are really sure if he was armed or not. As for 2, who cares? The only real legitimate complaint is 3 IMO. On that one, a decision could have been made ahead of time as to whether or not we'd release pictures of the body if bin Laden was killed, and then an announcement one way or the other made immediately.
I think they are guilty of 1. Even if you are not 100% sure what really happened, everybody needs to tell the same consistent (if not entirely accurate) story. Now we get a new version every day, and different people say different stuff. If you don't know, then say you don't know/need more time to find out/sidestep the question. You don't say A yesterday, B today, and then have someone contradict all that and tell story C.
Oh those poor babies! How can they take the criticism! :o
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/05/pakistan-army-osama-bin-laden
QuoteOsama bin Laden death: Pakistan's army fights to restore credibility
Testimony of 12 survivors released by spy agency as US ordered to cut military presence in Pakistan to a minimum
* Declan Walsh in Islamabad and Jon Boone in Kabul
* guardian.co.uk, Thursday 5 May 2011 21.39 BST
* Article history
Battered by American accusations of duplicity and collusion with Osama bin Laden, and withering criticism at home, Pakistan's army is striking back with the main tool at its disposal: the word of his surviving relatives.
The military's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency, or ISI, is releasing a steady drip of testimony from the 12 survivors of the US raid on Bin Laden's hideout in Abbottabad, north of Islamabad. It includes the account of bin Laden's 12-year-old daughter, who said she saw her father shot, and information about his 29-year-old Yemeni wife, who is being treated at a military hospital in Rawalpindi.
Analysts said the army was seeking to deflect attention from angry questions about how the world's most famous fugitive could hide less than a mile from Pakistan's top military academy.
"A damage limitation exercise is going on," said Cyril Almeida, columnist with Dawn newspaper in Islamabad. "The army is scrambling to come out with a coherent response to questions that don't have easy answers."
In its first statement since the raid, the army ordered the US to reduce its military presence in Pakistan to a "minimum level". It was a symbolic move, given there are only 275 US soldiers in Pakistan, but one that sought to stem intense public anger over Sunday's unilateral American commando raid.
Some Pakistani officials would prefer if the world focused on the violence of the raid. Photos that emerged on Wednesday showed the bodies of three men lying in pools of blood, one being the "courier" whose calls led the US to believe Bin Laden was in the compound. Reuters, which published the photos, said they had been bought from a "Pakistani security official" who wished to remain anonymous.
The testimony of Bin Laden's family members, made public through the ISI, has helped focus attention on the circumstances of his death, a narrative in difficulty after the White House was forced to correct significant details, such as the initial claim that bin Laden used his wife as a human shield.
It later emerged that Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah, a Yemeni aged 29, remains alive and is being treated for a gunshot wound at a medical facility in the garrison city of Rawalpindi, close to Pakistan's military headquarters.
A photograph of her passport was given to or obtained by the Pakistani press, and has been widely republished.
Pakistan's 500,000-strong army, which prides itself on its nuclear arsenal, has rarely had to endure such a barrage of accusations. In recent days White House officials, the CIA chief, and a host of senior US politicians have either insinuated or bluntly alleged that the ISI is playing a "double game" that may have included support for Bin Laden.
David Cameron joined the chorus of discord, saying Bin Laden's death left "lots of questions" to be answered.
The criticism is not just from the west. In Jakarta, officials say that an Indonesian terror suspect arrested this year in Abbottabad was intending to meet Bin Laden, raising questions over how isolated he was in his final months.
In Afghanistan, a former intelligence chief told the Guardian that four years ago Pakistan ignored a tip-off that Bin Laden was hiding near Abbottabad. Amrullah Saleh, former head of the National Directorate of Security, which has a long-standing rivalry with the ISI, said that he had believed in 2007 that Bin Laden was hiding in Mansehra,very near Abbottabad, in one of two al-Qaida safe houses. When he put this to Pakistan's then president, Gen Pervez Musharraf, he grew furious and smashed his fist on the table, said Saleh. "Am I the president of the Republic of Banana?" said Musharraf, Saleh recalled, leading an alarmed President Hamid Karzai, also at the meeting, to intervene.
Saleh, a fierce critic of Pakistan who has now entered Afghan politics, said he had no doubts that Mullah Omar, leader of the Afghan Taliban, is hiding in an ISI safe house in Karachi: "He is protected by ISI. General Pasha [Lieutenant-General Shuja Pasha, the ISI director general] knows, as I am talking to you, where Omar is, and he keeps daily briefs from his officers on the location of senior Taliban leaders."
But the Pakistan army's greatest worry is at home, where it faces unprecedented criticism.
The Bin Laden operation has triggered a barrage of questions about whether the military knew of the assault, and, if not, how US helicopters managed to enter from Afghanistan without permission, carry out a violent 40-minute raid in a town teeming with soldiers, and fly out unhindered with the body of the world's most famous fugitive.
Pakistani newspapers have carried sharp editorials against the army, while even pro-army TV personalities (hugely influential in Pakistani politics) have made extraordinary attacks on the generals.
"Never before has there been such sustained and fierce criticism of the army," said Almeida. "You would have to rewind to 1971 [when east Pakistan violently seceded to become Bangladesh] to find this kind of national outrage and discontent."
"People are saying: 'We spend hundreds of billions of rupees on you guys every year, and what do you have to show for it?' It strikes at the heart of what this military feels that it exists for."
The accusations could cost Pakistan dear. Enraged by the idea that the military sheltered Bin Laden, some US politicians have called for the US government to slash the annual $3bn aid package, mostly to the military. Pakistan's Washington lobbyists, under orders from President Asif Ali Zardari have begun a public relations offensive on Capitol Hill to counter the American allegations.
But despite the invective, American officials have offered no hard evidence Pakistan was colluding with Bin Laden. Pakistani officials point to their role in arresting several senior al-Qaida figures, including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, over the past decade.
According to Time, Obama's advisors told him 50 to 80% that Osama was in the house when he gave the go order.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2011, 07:44:23 PM
According to Time, Obama's advisors told him 50 to 80% that Osama was in the house when he gave the go order.
Obama: "50 to 80%? Shit, let's go."
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 05, 2011, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 05, 2011, 06:59:02 PM
I have now embargoed myself from reading or watching any Euro news sites. Euros acting like whiny pussies gets old.
He's become more of a martyr to Europeans than to Muslims.
Are you guys trolling? What reputable news source have you been reading?
Quote from: Zoupa on May 05, 2011, 09:36:20 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 05, 2011, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 05, 2011, 06:59:02 PM
I have now embargoed myself from reading or watching any Euro news sites. Euros acting like whiny pussies gets old.
He's become more of a martyr to Europeans than to Muslims.
Are you guys trolling? What reputable news source have you been reading?
BBC and various other European newspapers. Norwegian, Austrian.
He said "reputable."
Quote from: Habbaku on May 05, 2011, 09:40:52 PM
He said "reputable."
:D
Yeah. I mostly mean the "martyr to europeans" bullshit. Madrid got blown up, London got blown up, a bunch of European soldiers got blown up in Afghanistan etc.
Do you guys have polls of europeans answering "yes" to "Do you consider OBL to be a martyr"?
Do we need a poll to find out that sky is blue? :huh:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2011, 07:40:26 PM
The accusations could cost Pakistan dear. Enraged by the idea that the military sheltered Bin Laden, some US politicians have called for the US government to slash the annual $3bn aid package, mostly to the military.
Wait... what? :unsure: :mad:
That's fucking ridiculous. How much money are we short for education, health care, and infrastructure rebuilding, and we're giving Pakistan - Pakifuckingstan - $3,000,000,000 a year for their military??
Quote from: merithyn on May 05, 2011, 10:01:51 PM
and we're giving Pakistan - Pakifuckingstan - $3,000,000,000 a year for their military??
First we give them $3 billion.
then they take the $3 billion and buy F-16s plus parts, stores, maintenance, etc.
wash, rinse, repeat.
We did the same game with the Shah and with Mubarak. What could possibly go wrong?
To be fair, though, the general feeling here in Austria seems to be, "Yeah, would have been nice if they had taken him alive, but kililng him isn't a big loss, either", even though the media latch onto every supposed inconsistency in the official story.
Quote from: Bluebook on May 05, 2011, 09:15:29 AM
Quote from: grumbler on May 05, 2011, 08:20:21 AM
Customized Blackhawk. Many more blades in the rotors, so the blades can be shorter and the tips can turn more slowly and thus be more quiet (less blade tip roar). Radar-absorbing paint, plus rounded corners and the like, to make it hard to detect by radar. Much better heat dispersion and deeper engines, so IR sensors are less effective. I have no idea how much they cost, except that the answer starts with "more than..."
Interesting. Any idea how effective those modífications are?
apparently quite effective at not getting shot down by pakistani aa, but not very effective in not crashing
Quote from: Syt on May 06, 2011, 01:31:36 AM
To be fair, though, the general feeling here in Austria seems to be, "Yeah, would have been nice if they had taken him alive, but kililng him isn't a big loss, either", even though the media latch onto every supposed inconsistency in the official story.
I am trying to imagine how taking him alive could be a good thing for anyone other than Osama. And maybe not even him.
Quote from: Viking on May 06, 2011, 04:01:27 AM
Quote from: Bluebook on May 05, 2011, 09:15:29 AM
Quote from: grumbler on May 05, 2011, 08:20:21 AM
Customized Blackhawk. Many more blades in the rotors, so the blades can be shorter and the tips can turn more slowly and thus be more quiet (less blade tip roar). Radar-absorbing paint, plus rounded corners and the like, to make it hard to detect by radar. Much better heat dispersion and deeper engines, so IR sensors are less effective. I have no idea how much they cost, except that the answer starts with "more than..."
Interesting. Any idea how effective those modífications are?
apparently quite effective at not getting shot down by pakistani aa, but not very effective in not crashing
One story says that the helo was hit by ground fire, and rpg or something. No idea if that's the official story; too much info coming out by too many people, some of whom don't seem to have been in the know but offering their stories and probably hearsay.
Quote from: Berkut on May 06, 2011, 07:43:24 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 06, 2011, 01:31:36 AM
To be fair, though, the general feeling here in Austria seems to be, "Yeah, would have been nice if they had taken him alive, but kililng him isn't a big loss, either", even though the media latch onto every supposed inconsistency in the official story.
I am trying to imagine how taking him alive could be a good thing for anyone other than Osama. And maybe not even him.
No idea.
Quote from: Berkut on May 06, 2011, 07:43:24 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 06, 2011, 01:31:36 AM
To be fair, though, the general feeling here in Austria seems to be, "Yeah, would have been nice if they had taken him alive, but kililng him isn't a big loss, either", even though the media latch onto every supposed inconsistency in the official story.
I am trying to imagine how taking him alive could be a good thing for anyone other than Osama. And maybe not even him.
I can think of a good reason.
For one - he may know a lot about contemplated terrorist plots. If he's alive, he can be questioned. Dead, not so much.
Quote from: Malthus on May 06, 2011, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 06, 2011, 07:43:24 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 06, 2011, 01:31:36 AM
To be fair, though, the general feeling here in Austria seems to be, "Yeah, would have been nice if they had taken him alive, but kililng him isn't a big loss, either", even though the media latch onto every supposed inconsistency in the official story.
I am trying to imagine how taking him alive could be a good thing for anyone other than Osama. And maybe not even him.
I can think of a good reason.
For one - he may know a lot about contemplated terrorist plots. If he's alive, he can be questioned. Dead, not so much.
Yeah, I thought of that, but most of what I have heard lately is that his chunk of AQ is mostly just a figurehead, and I am guessing most of the useful intelligence take is going to be based on organization, rather than actual operations. And all that data is
1. Likely on those computers, and
2. Not details that bin Laden would likely give two shits about anyway, and hence probably doesn't actually know.
And besides, since we aren't allowed to waterboard him anyway, how could we find anything out? :P
Quote from: KRonn on May 06, 2011, 08:15:38 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 06, 2011, 04:01:27 AM
Quote from: Bluebook on May 05, 2011, 09:15:29 AM
Quote from: grumbler on May 05, 2011, 08:20:21 AM
Customized Blackhawk. Many more blades in the rotors, so the blades can be shorter and the tips can turn more slowly and thus be more quiet (less blade tip roar). Radar-absorbing paint, plus rounded corners and the like, to make it hard to detect by radar. Much better heat dispersion and deeper engines, so IR sensors are less effective. I have no idea how much they cost, except that the answer starts with "more than..."
Interesting. Any idea how effective those modífications are?
apparently quite effective at not getting shot down by pakistani aa, but not very effective in not crashing
One story says that the helo was hit by ground fire, and rpg or something. No idea if that's the official story; too much info coming out by too many people, some of whom don't seem to have been in the know but offering their stories and probably hearsay.
I thought I read that the rotors hit the compound wall.
Quote from: Berkut on May 06, 2011, 09:11:34 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 06, 2011, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 06, 2011, 07:43:24 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 06, 2011, 01:31:36 AM
To be fair, though, the general feeling here in Austria seems to be, "Yeah, would have been nice if they had taken him alive, but kililng him isn't a big loss, either", even though the media latch onto every supposed inconsistency in the official story.
I am trying to imagine how taking him alive could be a good thing for anyone other than Osama. And maybe not even him.
I can think of a good reason.
For one - he may know a lot about contemplated terrorist plots. If he's alive, he can be questioned. Dead, not so much.
Yeah, I thought of that, but most of what I have heard lately is that his chunk of AQ is mostly just a figurehead, and I am guessing most of the useful intelligence take is going to be based on organization, rather than actual operations. And all that data is
1. Likely on those computers, and
2. Not details that bin Laden would likely give two shits about anyway, and hence probably doesn't actually know.
And besides, since we aren't allowed to waterboard him anyway, how could we find anything out? :P
Sure, it is possible he knew nothing of importance - he was I have heard a sick man when he died.
But I think it likely he would know something useful. For one, he'd know how it was he was able to gain shelter in Pakistan.
As for effectiveness of questioning him, without getting all medieval on his ass ... I dunno.
He knew things of value (but likely not much ticking bomb stuff), and he would have been tortured till Labor Day to make sure they got it all out of him. But if you take him alive you have to keep it double extra secret (like they did if he is in fact alive, which I do not believe) or else suffer through talk about his treatment, a trial, yada yada yada...
If I were POTUS I'd have wanted him dead. Alive would be too high risk in many ways.
As for misguided morons in Ewrope... I have already spoken plainly on them in this thread.
Quote from: The Brain on May 06, 2011, 10:06:08 AM
He knew things of value (but likely not much ticking bomb stuff), and he would have been tortured till Labor Day to make sure they got it all out of him. But if you take him alive you have to keep it double extra secret (like they did if he is in fact alive, which I do not believe) or else suffer through talk about his treatment, a trial, yada yada yada...
If I were POTUS I'd have wanted him dead. Alive would be too high risk in many ways.
As for misguided morons in Ewrope... I have already spoken plainly on them in this thread.
You are the best Swede since Charles XII.
Quote from: Malthus on May 06, 2011, 09:22:41 AM
As for effectiveness of questioning him, without getting all medieval on his ass ... I dunno.
The situation would never come up.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 06, 2011, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 06, 2011, 10:06:08 AM
He knew things of value (but likely not much ticking bomb stuff), and he would have been tortured till Labor Day to make sure they got it all out of him. But if you take him alive you have to keep it double extra secret (like they did if he is in fact alive, which I do not believe) or else suffer through talk about his treatment, a trial, yada yada yada...
If I were POTUS I'd have wanted him dead. Alive would be too high risk in many ways.
As for misguided morons in Ewrope... I have already spoken plainly on them in this thread.
You are the best Swede since Charles XII.
:w00t: :hug:
Quote from: Barrister on May 06, 2011, 09:12:56 AM
I thought I read that the rotors hit the compound wall.
Yikes, that happens to me all the time in GTA.
Quote from: Viking on May 06, 2011, 04:01:27 AM
apparently quite effective at not getting shot down by pakistani aa, but not very effective in not crashing
Insofar as we know, not one of these every crashed.
One got rotor damage from hitting its rotor against a wall while taxiing in a dust cloud, but that's nothing to do with the type of helo this was and everything to do with it being any type of helo on that mission. Had this not been bad-guy territory, the damaged helo would easily have been recovered.
Pakistan = bad guy territory. :yes:
Obama's alternative, unaired speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOIy6QEbes&feature=player_embedded
:lol:
Quote from: Berkut on May 06, 2011, 07:43:24 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 06, 2011, 01:31:36 AM
To be fair, though, the general feeling here in Austria seems to be, "Yeah, would have been nice if they had taken him alive, but kililng him isn't a big loss, either", even though the media latch onto every supposed inconsistency in the official story.
I am trying to imagine how taking him alive could be a good thing for anyone other than Osama. And maybe not even him.
I agree, Obama can't even get rid of the terrorists we have at Gitmo. What's he going to do with Bin Laden. What if Bin Laden hired good lawyers and escaped a guilty verdict on some technicality? It could have easily ended up like the Milosevic thing.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2011, 09:31:26 PM
It could have easily ended up like the Milosevic thing.
Being tortured to death with legalistic minutiae? I think the Navy seals were more humane.
Quote from: Valmy on May 06, 2011, 10:05:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2011, 09:31:26 PM
It could have easily ended up like the Milosevic thing.
Being tortured to death with legalistic minutiae? I think the Navy seals were more humane.
Admittedly that seems to be the modern Euro solution to problems. Being boring at it till the enemy gives in or dies.
German news station had a report about the SEALs, and Seal Team Six ... in which they presented this unit badge for them:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bildblog.de%2Fwp-content%2FN24Fail.jpg&hash=5899b5402f1bd3678ffeaf33449d620267458f8e)
:lol: :nerd:
The original is here: http://wiki.maquis.com/w/Image:Seals-Team6.jpg
WTF?
I guess they just used google image search for "seal team six". And/or a nerd at the station playing a prank.
Meanwhile, a German high speed train was stopped and evacuated, because in the on board bistro someone found a CD labelled "Allah wird uns alle töten" (Allah will kill us all).
If that's all it takes to stop a train these days, then disrupting public life has just become a lot easier for terrorists.
Quote from: Syt on May 07, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
Meanwhile, a German high speed train was stopped and evacuated, because in the on board bistro someone found a CD labelled "Allah wird uns alle töten" (Allah will kill us all).
If that's all it takes to stop a train these days, then disrupting public life has just become a lot easier for terrorists.
That's what I've been saying for quite a while. The real damage by terrorism is done when we react to it. Sometimes it's just unavoidable, but it still important to keep the ultimate terrorist goal in mind. Every time someone's nuts are felt at the airport, the terrorist win just a little bit.
Quote from: Syt on May 07, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
Meanwhile, a German high speed train was stopped and evacuated, because in the on board bistro someone found a CD labelled "Allah wird uns alle töten" (Allah will kill us all).
If that's all it takes to stop a train these days, then disrupting public life has just become a lot easier for terrorists.
That's it, I'll return by TGV instead of ICE :D
Quote from: DGuller on May 07, 2011, 01:35:53 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 07, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
Meanwhile, a German high speed train was stopped and evacuated, because in the on board bistro someone found a CD labelled "Allah wird uns alle töten" (Allah will kill us all).
If that's all it takes to stop a train these days, then disrupting public life has just become a lot easier for terrorists.
That's what I've been saying for quite a while. The real damage by terrorism is done when we react to it. Sometimes it's just unavoidable, but it still important to keep the ultimate terrorist goal in mind. Every time someone's nuts are felt at the airport, the terrorist win just a little bit.
I don't think they consider that a 'win'.
Quote from: DGuller on May 07, 2011, 01:35:53 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 07, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
Meanwhile, a German high speed train was stopped and evacuated, because in the on board bistro someone found a CD labelled "Allah wird uns alle töten" (Allah will kill us all).
If that's all it takes to stop a train these days, then disrupting public life has just become a lot easier for terrorists.
That's what I've been saying for quite a while. The real damage by terrorism is done when we react to it. Sometimes it's just unavoidable, but it still important to keep the ultimate terrorist goal in mind. Every time someone's nuts are felt at the airport, the terrorist win just a little bit.
This.
I mean, he may be dead, but he still won the war.
America is trillions in debt. Most spent on a war in the wrong country.
Travelling by train but especially by plane, has become the largest pain in the arse.
Our civil liberties have been taken away.
And we've become a bit more like them, cheering and shouting USA when some Arab dies, reminiscent of what they do when they kill an American pilot.
Osama is laughing with all those virgins in his grave or belly of the whale or wherever his body is.
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 10:34:40 AMAnd we've become a bit more like them, cheering and shouting USA when some Arab dies, reminiscent of what they do when they kill an American pilot.
that's a rather dishonest retelling of the events, but i suppose that should be expected given the nature of the rest of the post
Quote from: Neil on May 07, 2011, 10:08:12 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 07, 2011, 01:35:53 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 07, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
Meanwhile, a German high speed train was stopped and evacuated, because in the on board bistro someone found a CD labelled "Allah wird uns alle töten" (Allah will kill us all).
If that's all it takes to stop a train these days, then disrupting public life has just become a lot easier for terrorists.
That's what I've been saying for quite a while. The real damage by terrorism is done when we react to it. Sometimes it's just unavoidable, but it still important to keep the ultimate terrorist goal in mind. Every time someone's nuts are felt at the airport, the terrorist win just a little bit.
I don't think they consider that a 'win'.
Do you know what their objectives are?
Quote from: Slargos on May 07, 2011, 10:52:58 AM
Do you know what their objectives are?
Yes, I do.
Guess what? They had nothing to do with any of Josephus' lies and histrionics. 'Our civil liberties have been taken away'? Puh-leeze. Even if bin Laden and his boys cared (and they don't), that statement is untrue anyways.
Quote(CNN) -- An airline is investigating the removal of two imams from a flight headed to North Carolina, ostensibly because passengers felt uncomfortable with their presence of the pair -- both clad in Islamic attire.
The incident occurred Friday on an Atlantic Southeast Airlines flight from Tennessee to North Carolina and it involved Masudur Rahman and Mohamed Zaghloul were wearing traditional Muslim dress, CNN affiliate WCNC reported.
The two -- who hold high religious positions in the Muslim community -- were headed to North Carolina for a conference on prejudice against Muslims, or Islamaphobia. The meeting is sponsored by the North American Imams Federation.
Rahman, who is a professor at the University of Memphis, told the affiliate that the incident reminded him of the prejudice Rosa Parks faced during the civil rights movement.
"That history I found today in that plane, and it shouldn't happen with any other person," he said.
Atlantic Southeast Airlines, which operated the flight, said the incident is under investigation, and apologized "for any inconvenience that this may have caused."
Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the civil rights group Council on American-Islamic Relations, told CNN the two men contacted his office and said they were told that passengers were uncomfortable with them on the flight.
"They went through security, even went through secondary security, and got on the plane, were taxiing out," he said.
But then, they were taxied back, Hooper said.
"TSA came on and pulled them off and said the pilot was refusing to fly with them because passengers were uncomfortable with them," Hooper said, referring to the Transportation Security Administration.
Hooper said officials re-screened them and found they were no threat.
While officials tried to get the men back on the plane, "the pilot absolutely refused and ultimately took off," Hooper said.
The airlines did not say why the two men were taken off the flight, but said they were given the opportunity to fly on a different flight.
"Atlantic Southeast Airlines flight 5452 from Memphis to Charlotte returned to the gate to allow for additional screening of a passenger and the passenger's companion," the statement said. "We take security and safety very seriously, and the event is currently under investigation."
Quote from: Neil on May 07, 2011, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 07, 2011, 10:52:58 AM
Do you know what their objectives are?
Yes, I do.
Guess what? They had nothing to do with any of Josephus' lies and histrionics. 'Our civil liberties have been taken away'? Puh-leeze. Even if bin Laden and his boys cared (and they don't), that statement is untrue anyways.
Every time we spend another dollar on pointless "security" measures, they are one step closer to victory. The ultimate goal of islamic terrorism is the destruction of the west and everything that is good and holy. If we destroy ourselves with unwise spending and the nurturing of parasites, then all the better. This multi-trillion dollar spat was started by a couple of guys with box cutters. Talk about efficiency in spending..
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
And we've become a bit more like them, cheering and shouting USA when some Arab dies, reminiscent of what they do when they kill an American pilot.
Why are you more like them? Do you think you have become stupid over time, or just have decided to allow your emotions to overcome your common sense? It seems to me that whining about changes to yourself that you could reverse through some self-discipline is pretty stupid and self-centered. I don't cheer
or shout when an Arab dies, and it isn't hard.
Quote from: grumbler on May 07, 2011, 12:09:55 PM
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
And we've become a bit more like them, cheering and shouting USA when some Arab dies, reminiscent of what they do when they kill an American pilot.
Why are you more like them? Do you think you have become stupid over time, or just have decided to allow your emotions to overcome your common sense? It seems to me that whining about changes to yourself that you could reverse through some self-discipline is pretty stupid and self-centered. I don't cheer or shout when an Arab dies, and it isn't hard.
Is chuckling ok? :huh:
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
And we've become a bit more like them, cheering and shouting USA when some Arab dies, reminiscent of what they do when they kill an American pilot.
Wake me up when crowds in Times Square start applauding the death of Muslim civilians.
Quote from: Syt on May 07, 2011, 11:42:58 AM
The two -- who hold high religious positions in the Muslim community -- were headed to North Carolina for a conference on prejudice against Muslims, or Islamaphobia. The meeting is sponsored by the North American Imams Federation.
That's a big LOL right there.
QuoteRahman, who is a professor at the University of Memphis, told the affiliate that the incident reminded him of the prejudice Rosa Parks faced during the civil rights movement.
Rosa Parks never flew her bus into office buildings. Sorry suckers, but worship your Jew-hating moongod on Amtrak.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 07, 2011, 01:40:01 PM
Rosa Parks never flew her bus into office buildings.
How cool would that have looked though! :w00t:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
And we've become a bit more like them, cheering and shouting USA when some Arab dies, reminiscent of what they do when they kill an American pilot.
Wake me up when crowds in Times Square start applauding the death of Muslim civilians.
Whatever. I'm not one of those who cared that Bin Laden was killed or anything.
The only thing was when I saw people waving flags and shouting U-S-A, at first I thought they won the World Cup or something.
Quote from: Caliga on May 07, 2011, 01:57:25 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 07, 2011, 01:40:01 PM
Rosa Parks never flew her bus into office buildings.
How cool would that have looked though! :w00t:
Busses aren't designed to fly and it is unlikely that Rosa Parks of all people would manage to overcome gravity.
Silly foreigner. We'd never celebrate the World Cup.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 07, 2011, 02:17:18 PM
Silly foreigner. We'd never celebrate the World Cup.
Or win it, I suppose.
Eh, figured I get that one in before one of the Euroweenies did.
I was going to point out that all of Josephus' points were counter-factual, but then I remembered that he's in Britian, so I guess he does have a valid point about civil liberties.
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 02:08:48 PM
Whatever. I'm not one of those who cared that Bin Laden was killed or anything.
The only thing was when I saw people waving flags and shouting U-S-A, at first I thought they won the World Cup or something.
Sure, and every time Allied troops in WWII cheered the downing of a Stuka or the sinking of a Uboat they became a little more like Hitler and contributed to the eventual Nazi victory.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 02:08:48 PM
Whatever. I'm not one of those who cared that Bin Laden was killed or anything.
The only thing was when I saw people waving flags and shouting U-S-A, at first I thought they won the World Cup or something.
Sure, and every time Allied troops in WWII cheered the downing of a Stuka or the sinking of a Uboat they became a little more like Hitler and contributed to the eventual Nazi victory.
If the threat of the Amerikabomber had caused the retooling of all tank and aircraft factories in order to start producing a hedgehog of AA guns on the American continent, would it have been a problem for the american war effort? :hmm:
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
I mean, he may be dead, but he still won the war.
His objective was to overthrough the Saudi monarchy, and establish a new Islamic caliphate based on Salafi principles.
I would say he is still a few lengths short of victory.
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 02:08:48 PM
Whatever. I'm not one of those who cared that Bin Laden was killed or anything.
Make up you mind:
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
And we've become a bit more like them, cheering and shouting USA when some Arab dies, reminiscent of what they do when they kill an American pilot.
When you use the first-person plural, are you one of the "we" to which you refer, or do you just not understand the language very well?
Or was this all rhetorical bullshit, never meant as anything but a troll?
Now, I didn't cheer and shout, nor did we cheer and shout, and I thought that those who were chanting "USA" were being tacky in the extreme, but there are people who do tacky shit in the world and like to feel part of good happenings they didn't really contribute to. See any crowd after their team wins a World Cup. That's just people.
I was certainly happy that OBL got whacked, and all his plotting to kill me and mine got whacked with him. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes, that's fine with me. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
Sure, and every time Allied troops in WWII cheered the downing of a Stuka or the sinking of a Uboat they became a little more like Hitler and contributed to the eventual Nazi victory.
Indeed. Hitler may be dead, but he still won the war.
Quote from: grumbler on May 07, 2011, 04:19:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
Sure, and every time Allied troops in WWII cheered the downing of a Stuka or the sinking of a Uboat they became a little more like Hitler and contributed to the eventual Nazi victory.
Indeed. Hitler may be dead, but he still won the war.
ORLY? Have you seen the photo? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Slargos on May 07, 2011, 04:51:40 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 07, 2011, 04:19:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
Sure, and every time Allied troops in WWII cheered the downing of a Stuka or the sinking of a Uboat they became a little more like Hitler and contributed to the eventual Nazi victory.
Indeed. Hitler may be dead, but he still won the war.
ORLY? Have you seen the photo? :rolleyes:
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Quote from: citizen k on May 07, 2011, 05:29:14 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 07, 2011, 04:51:40 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 07, 2011, 04:19:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 07, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
Sure, and every time Allied troops in WWII cheered the downing of a Stuka or the sinking of a Uboat they became a little more like Hitler and contributed to the eventual Nazi victory.
Indeed. Hitler may be dead, but he still won the war.
ORLY? Have you seen the photo? :rolleyes:
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*wank*
Quote from: grumbler on May 07, 2011, 04:17:31 PMI was certainly happy that OBL got whacked, and all his plotting to kill me and mine got whacked with him. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes, that's fine with me. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
This should be on a bronze plaque somewhere.
I see nothing wrong with cheering the death of a mass murderer. He was a nasty piece of work and if given the chance he probably would have killed me and everyone else on this board just to inspire fear.
Quote from: Josephus on May 07, 2011, 10:34:40 AM
I mean, he may be dead, but he still won the war.
America is trillions in debt. Most spent on a war in the wrong country.
Travelling by train but especially by plane, has become the largest pain in the arse.
Our civil liberties have been taken away.
And we've become a bit more like them, cheering and shouting USA when some Arab dies, reminiscent of what they do when they kill an American pilot.
Osama is laughing with all those virgins in his grave or belly of the whale or wherever his body is.
After we just gave up our civil liberties, trillions of dollars, and ease of transportation to get this guy you find it surprising we are happy the whole thing actually ended up happening? We are not made of stone you know :P
Quote from: Valmy on May 07, 2011, 11:17:52 PM
After we just gave up our civil liberties, trillions of dollars, and ease of transportation to get this guy you find it surprising we are happy the whole thing actually ended up happening? We are not made of stone you know :P
Valmy, you can't reach Weenies. Just can't.
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without the Soviet Union.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 07, 2011, 11:59:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 07, 2011, 11:17:52 PM
After we just gave up our civil liberties, trillions of dollars, and ease of transportation to get this guy you find it surprising we are happy the whole thing actually ended up happening? We are not made of stone you know :P
Valmy, you can't reach Weenies. Just can't.
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without the Soviet Union.
Have you even been to the Soviet Union? It was glorious.
Quote from: dps on May 07, 2011, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 07, 2011, 02:17:18 PM
Silly foreigner. We'd never celebrate the World Cup.
Or win it, I suppose.
Eh, figured I get that one in before one of the Euroweenies did.
I was going to point out that all of Josephus' points were counter-factual, but then I remembered that he's in Britian, so I guess he does have a valid point about civil liberties.
Josephus is Maltese-Canadian. :Canuck:
Britian is like in-between Malta and Canada!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 07, 2011, 11:59:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 07, 2011, 11:17:52 PM
After we just gave up our civil liberties, trillions of dollars, and ease of transportation to get this guy you find it surprising we are happy the whole thing actually ended up happening? We are not made of stone you know :P
Valmy, you can't reach Weenies. Just can't.
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without the Soviet Union.
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without Hitler.
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without the Kaiser.
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without slavery.
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2011, 08:49:51 AM
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without the Kaiser.
Maybe.
Quote from: Neil on May 08, 2011, 09:15:05 AM
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2011, 08:49:51 AM
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without the Kaiser.
Maybe.
Maybe? Hitler >>>> Kaiser
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2011, 08:49:51 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 07, 2011, 11:59:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 07, 2011, 11:17:52 PM
After we just gave up our civil liberties, trillions of dollars, and ease of transportation to get this guy you find it surprising we are happy the whole thing actually ended up happening? We are not made of stone you know :P
Valmy, you can't reach Weenies. Just can't.
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without the Soviet Union.
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without Hitler.
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without the Kaiser.
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without slavery.
See, Valmy? Always ask somebody who was there.
Quote from: Neil on May 08, 2011, 09:15:05 AM
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2011, 08:49:51 AM
Besides, we've been through all this before...the deficits...the unnecessary wars...the loss of civil liberties. And you know what? We got over it. And the world is still better off without the Kaiser.
Maybe.
I'm not convinced on that one either.
Niggas, please. The Kaiser? C'mon.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2011, 11:04:46 AM
Niggas, please. The Kaiser? C'mon.
He wasn't that bad. Imperial Germany was less free then France but more free then say, Russia.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 08, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2011, 11:04:46 AM
Niggas, please. The Kaiser? C'mon.
He wasn't that bad. Imperial Germany was less free then France but more free then say, Russia.
Freedom isn't really isn't as important as, say, containing French ambitions.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 08, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2011, 11:04:46 AM
Niggas, please. The Kaiser? C'mon.
He wasn't that bad. Imperial Germany was less free then France but more free then say, Russia.
:lol: So that's how you define "not that bad?" More "free" than Imperial Russia?
You define.... poorly.
Quote from: Neil on May 08, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
Freedom isn't really isn't as important as, say, containing French ambitions.
The Kaiser promoted French ambitions via his cancellation of the Reinsurance Treaty.
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2011, 01:25:24 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 08, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2011, 11:04:46 AM
Niggas, please. The Kaiser? C'mon.
He wasn't that bad. Imperial Germany was less free then France but more free then say, Russia.
:lol: So that's how you define "not that bad?" More "free" than Imperial Russia?
You define.... poorly.
I am unclear as to what issue you have with what I said.
Quote from: Neil on May 08, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 08, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2011, 11:04:46 AM
Niggas, please. The Kaiser? C'mon.
He wasn't that bad. Imperial Germany was less free then France but more free then say, Russia.
Freedom isn't really isn't as important as, say, containing French ambitions.
I'd say containing Russian ambitions were more important.
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2011, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 08, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
Freedom isn't really isn't as important as, say, containing French ambitions.
The Kaiser promoted French ambitions via his cancellation of the Reinsurance Treaty.
Yes, but he did so less than the French themselves, and so is the preferable choice.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 08, 2011, 02:47:18 PM
I'd say containing Russian ambitions were more important.
The Russians were contained by their own incompetence.
Quote from: Neil on May 08, 2011, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 08, 2011, 02:47:18 PM
I'd say containing Russian ambitions were more important.
The Russians were contained by their own incompetence.
Some of the time. Russia was never as strong as it appeared nor was it as weak as it was appeared. Besides a bullet is better spent fired at the Russians then it is against the French. Well at least the French post Napoleon.
I was screwing around on Google Earth earlier and located bin Laden's compound. Contrary to early media reports, it is NOT right next to the Pakistani Military Academy... it's a little under a mile away. So yeah, close, but not like it's immediately adjacent.
For those who wish to get angry at the stupidity of leftists, I present to you Noam Chomsky's take on the death of Bin Laden.
http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/
Quote from: Barrister on May 09, 2011, 02:47:18 PM
For those who wish to get angry at the stupidity of leftists, I present to you Noam Chomsky's take on the death of Bin Laden.
http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/
Well, that was bizarre. Osama is a "suspect" while GWB, who hasn't even been charged with a crime is already guilty.
Quote from: Barrister on May 09, 2011, 02:47:18 PM
For those who wish to get angry at the stupidity of leftists, I present to you Noam Chomsky's take on the death of Bin Laden.
http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/
He he. I particularly enjoyed the use of the word uncontroversially.
Quote from: Caliga on May 08, 2011, 06:48:16 PM
I was screwing around on Google Earth earlier and located bin Laden's compound. Contrary to early media reports, it is NOT right next to the Pakistani Military Academy... it's a little under a mile away. So yeah, close, but not like it's immediately adjacent.
That's pretty much what I heard from the beginning.
BTW did you check out the nearby Abottabad Golf Club? :lol: http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=2021036936637538869&q=Abbottabad+Golf+Club&ie=UTF8&ll=34.157539,73.224252&spn=0,0&t=h&z=17
Chomsky just isn't any fun anymore.
Quote from: Berkut on May 09, 2011, 03:46:23 PM
Chomsky just isn't any fun anymore.
What a let-down. :P
I saw you name after the Chomsky article was posted and though "boy, this is gonna be good ..."
Hillary is too sexy for some Jews. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/09/hillary-clinton-der-tzitung-removed-situation-room_n_859254.html . If that didn't hit close to home, I would laugh at those reactionary losers.
Quote from: Barrister on May 09, 2011, 02:47:18 PM
For those who wish to get angry at the stupidity of leftists, I present to you Noam Chomsky's take on the death of Bin Laden.
http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/
I didn't get angry when I read it. What specifically made you angry? Or do you not believe that people are entitled to opinion?
Quote from: DGuller on May 09, 2011, 04:39:13 PM
Hillary is too sexy for some Jews. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/09/hillary-clinton-der-tzitung-removed-situation-room_n_859254.html . If that didn't hit close to home, I would laugh at those reactionary losers.
If Hillary is too sexy for you, it is time to re-evaluate your religion. :D
Quote from: Josephus on May 09, 2011, 04:44:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 09, 2011, 02:47:18 PM
For those who wish to get angry at the stupidity of leftists, I present to you Noam Chomsky's take on the death of Bin Laden.
http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/
I didn't get angry when I read it. What specifically made you angry? Or do you not believe that people are entitled to opinion?
People are entitled to their stupid and moronic opinion, yes. :huh:
Quote from: Josephus on May 09, 2011, 04:44:43 PM
I didn't get angry when I read it. What specifically made you angry? Or do you not believe that people are entitled to opinion?
I didn't get angry either. I just got more contemptuous, about the heights of sophistry people of Chomsky's ilk will rise to reinforce their religious belief that US = wrong and anyone opposed to US = right.
QuoteIt's like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk... It's as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes "Jew" and "Gypsy."
:lol:
Chomsky = EPIC WIN.
Quote from: Caliga on May 09, 2011, 05:28:21 PM
QuoteIt’s like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”
:lol:
Chomsky = EPIC WIN.
Apparantly, he doesn't even know what a tomahawk is.
Quote from: Josephus on May 09, 2011, 04:44:43 PM
Or do you not believe that people are entitled to opinion?
Some people aren't.
Quote from: dps on May 09, 2011, 05:59:37 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 09, 2011, 05:28:21 PM
QuoteIt's like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk... It's as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes "Jew" and "Gypsy."
:lol:
Chomsky = EPIC WIN.
Apparantly, he doesn't even know what a tomahawk is.
A tomahawk is a victim of Chomsky and company's crimes. But then, pretty much
everything is that.
Quote from: dps on May 09, 2011, 05:59:37 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 09, 2011, 05:28:21 PM
QuoteIt's like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk... It's as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes "Jew" and "Gypsy."
:lol:
Chomsky = EPIC WIN.
Apparantly, he doesn't even know what a tomahawk is.
I assume he was talking about a missile rather than an axe.
Quote from: DGuller on May 09, 2011, 06:09:13 PM
Quote from: dps on May 09, 2011, 05:59:37 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 09, 2011, 05:28:21 PM
QuoteIt’s like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”
:lol:
Chomsky = EPIC WIN.
Apparantly, he doesn't even know what a tomahawk is.
I assume he was talking about a missile rather than an axe.
whoosh
Quote from: Caliga on May 09, 2011, 05:28:21 PM
QuoteIt's like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk... It's as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes "Jew" and "Gypsy."
:lol:
Chomsky = EPIC WIN.
Yeah, he was beginning to rant there towards the end. :D
Actually, I think it would be awesome to have a fighter plane named the "Jew". :D
The Potez 731 "Dreyfus" is often considered the finest fighter aircraft made during the Vichy regime; but in reality it was an inferior copy of the Messerschmidt 116 "Polack" Both models saw action in the Eastern Front, where early successes receded after the Soviets replaced early war model Yak 2.5 "kulaks" with the more modern La-23 "Yid Doctors" and lend-leased P-46 "Interned Nips"
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I prefer this one:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13343497
QuoteBin Laden raid: US team 'ready to use force'
President Barack Obama insisted that the team to hunt down Osama Bin Laden be large enough to fight its way out in case it met resistance from Pakistani forces, the New York Times reports.
40 US Navy SEALS > Entire Pakistani military :cool:
Which is no surprise to anyone who has watched e.g. Iron Eagle.
Quote from: Syt on May 10, 2011, 11:36:46 AM
Which is no surprise to anyone who has watched e.g. Iron Eagle.
I want these pigs...destroyed.
Quote
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/10/pakistan.us.military.fight/index.html?hpt=C1
U.S. was prepared to fight Pakistani forces, officials say
(CNN) -- The Obama administration had "very detailed contingency plans" for military action against Pakistani forces if they had tried to stop the U.S. attack on Osama bin Laden's compound, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the plan.
Their names are not disclosed because of the sensitive intelligence information involved.
"No firepower option was off the table" during the Navy SEALs' 38-minute mission on the ground, or during the time U.S. helicopters were in the air, one official told CNN. "We would have done whatever we had to in order to get our men out."
The two U.S. officials also told CNN about the plan if bin Laden had been captured alive, which included taking him to Afghanistan and then out to the USS Carl Vinson in the Arabian Sea.
All of the senior U.S. officials in the White House Situation Room during the assault were prepared to call their Pakistani counterparts if fighting between U.S. and Pakistani forces appeared imminent, one of the officials told CNN. The SEALs at all times retained the right of self-defense, and they could have fired at the Pakistanis to defend themselves.
During the time the SEALs were on the ground, while some were inside the compound, others were covertly placed just outside the compound walls to provide perimeter security and keep people away. Some of those SEALs would have been able to speak enough of the local language to communicate with townspeople if they had come across them, one source told CNN.
As the assault on bin Laden's compound commenced, the United States had a number of aircraft flying protective missions. None of the aircraft entered Pakistani airspace, but they were prepared to do so if needed. These included fixed wing fighter jets that would have provided firepower if the team came under opposition fire it could not handle.
Additionally, the Air Force had a full team of combat search and rescue helicopters including MH-53 Pave Low and HH-60 Pave Hawk helicopters flying.
The helicopter that came in to replace the crashed stealth helicopter was carrying a battlefield medical team that was flying overhead and ready to land if SEALs were wounded, one of the CNN sources said. That helicopter landed at the compound within about thirty minutes of being called.
U.S. military and intelligence assets were conducting continuous reconnaissance of Pakistani military installations to watch for any indication of movements, but the Pakistani military never responded while the U.S. forces were there, one U.S. official indicated.
On Monday, Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani praised the Pakistani military's response to the sudden arrival of U.S. forces. "The air force was ordered to scramble," he said. "Ground units arrived at the scene quickly. Our response demonstrates that our armed forces reacted, as was expected of them." Still, he added, "There is no denying the U.S. technological ability to evade our radars."
Even though it was anticipated that bin Laden would resist the Navy SEALs that assaulted his compound, and therefore be killed, the Obama administration had a plan in place for dealing with bin Laden if he was captured alive, according to both U.S. officials.
The plan was for bin Laden to be flown back to Afghanistan aboard U.S. military helicopters and then flown out to the USS Carl Vinson in the north Arabian Sea. There was a team of lawyers, medical personnel, interrogators and translators standing by to deal with bin Laden if that was the scenario that unfolded. A major concern was to immediately "preserve evidence" and put bin Laden into a legal framework that would ensure he could be charged and tried some day, the official said. "We didn't want to have some case thrown out on a technicality."
The official indicated the standby teams included the type of expertise normally within U.S. units in Afghanistan, so it's likely personnel did not even know who their potential target would have been. The official noted that bin Laden would have undergone the same type of medical checks and photographing that surrounded Saddam Hussein when he was captured.
After bin Laden was killed by the Navy SEALs at the compound, his body was flown back to Afghanistan, and then to the Carl Vinson where he was buried at sea. Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, placed a phone call to his counterpart General Ashfaq Kiyani asking for U.S. aircraft to re-enter Pakistani airspace -- several hours after the raid -- so the body could be flown out to the Vinson.
Wonder what the purpose is in leaking this?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 10, 2011, 02:30:17 PM
Wonder what the purpose is in leaking this?
US domestic consumption?
Quote from: Martinus on May 10, 2011, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 10, 2011, 02:30:17 PM
Wonder what the purpose is in leaking this?
US domestic consumption?
But I don't think it really satisfies anyone's curiosity. I don't think there was any question of whether we'd fight to get our guys out or not.
If there was any purpose, I'm guessing it was meant to tweak the Pakis a little more.
I don't know. It seems like a perfect message a "moderate" (a Hawkish voter willing to vote Democrat) wants to listen: fuck the Pakistanis; and we wanted to capture him alive if we could, but wouldn't compromise the mission just to do it.
Quote from: Martinus on May 10, 2011, 02:41:21 PM
I don't know. It seems like a perfect message a "moderate" (a Hawkish voter willing to vote Democrat) ...
There are no such voters in America though.
Well although Berkut couldn't be bothered to tear into Chomsky, I guess Hitchens had nothing better to do:
http://www.slate.com/id/2293541/
Quote from: Barrister on May 10, 2011, 05:22:14 PM
Well although Berkut couldn't be bothered to tear into Chomsky, I guess Hitchens had nothing better to do:
http://www.slate.com/id/2293541/
It's just not the same without oven mitts. :(
:berkut:
Quote from: Berkut on May 10, 2011, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 10, 2011, 02:41:21 PM
I don't know. It seems like a perfect message a "moderate" (a Hawkish voter willing to vote Democrat) ...
There are no such voters in America though.
Irony?
You voted for Obama and you're pretty hawkish.
Quote from: Barrister on May 10, 2011, 05:22:14 PM
Well although Berkut couldn't be bothered to tear into Chomsky, I guess Hitchens had nothing better to do:
http://www.slate.com/id/2293541/
Good article, although it is a little unfair of Hitchens - like Alex Rodribuez showing up my kids little league game and hitting home runs. Sure, you can do it, but it doesn't really mean anything...
I did like his point that Chomsky is actually saying that the Americans are actually WORSE than the Nazis, since the Nazis were not so uncouth as to actually name their weapons "Jews" and "Gypsys"....while apparently we actually do...
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 10, 2011, 02:30:17 PM
Wonder what the purpose is in leaking this?
Someone felt the need to state the obvious.
I'd have thought it goes without saying, if you plan such a risky mission, then there will be all sorts of back up firepower and other options readied.
To go in on a wing and a prayer, hoping it all goes largely to plan, would seem to be grossly negligent on the part of the planners and commanders.
Quote from: jamesww on May 10, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
I'd have thought it goes without saying, if you plan such a risky mission, then there will be all sorts of back up firepower and other options readied.
To go in on a wing and a prayer, hoping it all goes largely to plan, would seem to be grossly negligent on the part of the planners and commanders.
A contingency plan to shoot your way out of an ostensibly friendly country is hardly as commonplace as you make it out.
I can't think of any precedent myself.
Quote from: Berkut on May 10, 2011, 07:09:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 10, 2011, 05:22:14 PM
Well although Berkut couldn't be bothered to tear into Chomsky, I guess Hitchens had nothing better to do:
http://www.slate.com/id/2293541/
Good article, although it is a little unfair of Hitchens - like Alex Rodribuez showing up my kids little league game and hitting home runs. Sure, you can do it, but it doesn't really mean anything...
I did like his point that Chomsky is actually saying that the Americans are actually WORSE than the Nazis, since the Nazis were not so uncouth as to actually name their weapons "Jews" and "Gypsys"....while apparently we actually do...
I got agree with Berk. Why waste time even critiquing Chomsky? Fool's errand.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2011, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: jamesww on May 10, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
I'd have thought it goes without saying, if you plan such a risky mission, then there will be all sorts of back up firepower and other options readied.
To go in on a wing and a prayer, hoping it all goes largely to plan, would seem to be grossly negligent on the part of the planners and commanders.
A contingency plan to shoot your way out of an ostensibly friendly country is hardly as commonplace as you make it out.
I can't think of any precedent myself.
How many precedents are there for that type of mission at all?
At least that made it far enough to become public?
Quote from: sbr on May 10, 2011, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2011, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: jamesww on May 10, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
I'd have thought it goes without saying, if you plan such a risky mission, then there will be all sorts of back up firepower and other options readied.
To go in on a wing and a prayer, hoping it all goes largely to plan, would seem to be grossly negligent on the part of the planners and commanders.
A contingency plan to shoot your way out of an ostensibly friendly country is hardly as commonplace as you make it out.
I can't think of any precedent myself.
How many precedents are there for that type of mission at all?
At least that made it far enough to become public?
Adolf Eichmann is all I can think of.
Quote from: Barrister on May 10, 2011, 11:27:14 PM
Quote from: sbr on May 10, 2011, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2011, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: jamesww on May 10, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
I'd have thought it goes without saying, if you plan such a risky mission, then there will be all sorts of back up firepower and other options readied.
To go in on a wing and a prayer, hoping it all goes largely to plan, would seem to be grossly negligent on the part of the planners and commanders.
A contingency plan to shoot your way out of an ostensibly friendly country is hardly as commonplace as you make it out.
I can't think of any precedent myself.
How many precedents are there for that type of mission at all?
At least that made it far enough to become public?
Adolf Eichmann is all I can think of.
And they didn't shoot him right away.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2011, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: jamesww on May 10, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
I'd have thought it goes without saying, if you plan such a risky mission, then there will be all sorts of back up firepower and other options readied.
To go in on a wing and a prayer, hoping it all goes largely to plan, would seem to be grossly negligent on the part of the planners and commanders.
A contingency plan to shoot your way out of an ostensibly friendly country is hardly as commonplace as you make it out.
I can't think of any precedent myself.
Pakistan is a friendly country in the same way South Vietnam was.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 11, 2011, 08:27:52 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2011, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: jamesww on May 10, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
I'd have thought it goes without saying, if you plan such a risky mission, then there will be all sorts of back up firepower and other options readied.
To go in on a wing and a prayer, hoping it all goes largely to plan, would seem to be grossly negligent on the part of the planners and commanders.
A contingency plan to shoot your way out of an ostensibly friendly country is hardly as commonplace as you make it out.
I can't think of any precedent myself.
Pakistan is a friendly country in the same way South Vietnam was.
I am not sure Pakistan is that friendly. In fact, I am pretty sure they are considerably less friendly than South Vietnam was...
Quote from: Barrister on May 10, 2011, 11:27:14 PM
Quote from: sbr on May 10, 2011, 11:16:55 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2011, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: jamesww on May 10, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
I'd have thought it goes without saying, if you plan such a risky mission, then there will be all sorts of back up firepower and other options readied.
To go in on a wing and a prayer, hoping it all goes largely to plan, would seem to be grossly negligent on the part of the planners and commanders.
A contingency plan to shoot your way out of an ostensibly friendly country is hardly as commonplace as you make it out.
I can't think of any precedent myself.
How many precedents are there for that type of mission at all?
At least that made it far enough to become public?
Adolf Eichmann is all I can think of.
The Entebbe mission?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe
Though Uganda was "questionable" in its friendliness ... ;)
Edit: I never knew this. Guy's a hero (and it makes Air France look like a bunch of assholes!)
QuoteFor refusing to depart (and subsequently leave some of his passengers as hostages) when given leave to do so by the hijackers, Captain Bacos was reprimanded by his superiors at Air France and suspended from duty for a period.
The French don't like it when people fail to retreat or surrender when given the opportunity to do so. :)
Quote from: Caliga on May 11, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
The French don't like it when people fail to retreat or surrender when given the opportunity to do so. :)
Heh. Nice living up to the meme. :D
But seriously ... I just can't see how the Air France "superiors" could have the nerve to
punish a guy who put his ass on the line for others.
I'm on my memes like flies on shit. :showoff:
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2011, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 11, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
The French don't like it when people fail to retreat or surrender when given the opportunity to do so. :)
Heh. Nice living up to the meme. :D
But seriously ... I just can't see how the Air France "superiors" could have the nerve to punish a guy who put his ass on the line for others.
Insurance related reasons?
Quote from: Berkut on May 11, 2011, 08:35:40 AM
I am not sure Pakistan is that friendly. In fact, I am pretty sure they are considerably less friendly than South Vietnam was...
I am quite sure that Pakistan is not at all friendly. The very definition of a marriage of convenience, in fact.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 11, 2011, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2011, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 11, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
The French don't like it when people fail to retreat or surrender when given the opportunity to do so. :)
Heh. Nice living up to the meme. :D
But seriously ... I just can't see how the Air France "superiors" could have the nerve to punish a guy who put his ass on the line for others.
Insurance related reasons?
Heh, that would make a sort of sense ...
A quick googling turns up no source for this "reprimand", though it gets repeated a lot - it may just be a bit of urban mythology. If so, it is a damaging bit for Air France ...
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2011, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 11, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
The French don't like it when people fail to retreat or surrender when given the opportunity to do so. :)
Heh. Nice living up to the meme. :D
But seriously ... I just can't see how the Air France "superiors" could have the nerve to punish a guy who put his ass on the line for others.
I can understand their logic - his actions placed more lives in danger (his own and his crews) making a potential rescue that much harder, and for not good purpose.
That being said, I still think he was right and courageous to do so. But I can see why Air France may have felt that they needed to make at least a token reprimand - after all, I bet they have established policy about what should be done in those circumstances, and I bet it is pretty much "If any hostage offers to let anyone go, you take them up on that offer, period."
Quote from: Berkut on May 11, 2011, 08:35:40 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 11, 2011, 08:27:52 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 10, 2011, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: jamesww on May 10, 2011, 09:22:17 PM
I'd have thought it goes without saying, if you plan such a risky mission, then there will be all sorts of back up firepower and other options readied.
To go in on a wing and a prayer, hoping it all goes largely to plan, would seem to be grossly negligent on the part of the planners and commanders.
A contingency plan to shoot your way out of an ostensibly friendly country is hardly as commonplace as you make it out.
I can't think of any precedent myself.
Pakistan is a friendly country in the same way South Vietnam was.
I am not sure Pakistan is that friendly. In fact, I am pretty sure they are considerably less friendly than South Vietnam was...
I'm pretty sure South Vietnam fought against the Viet Cong and NVA and didn't harbor any of them, so yeah, you're right.
While were making analogies, I'd say it's like the UK sheltering Hitler a mile from Whitehall during WWII.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 11, 2011, 11:55:34 AM
I'm pretty sure South Vietnam fought against the Viet Cong and NVA and didn't harbor any of them, so yeah, you're right.
This is a joke, tight? I mean, the Viet Cong
were South Vietnamese, so wouldn't have been fighting against themselves.
Quote from: Caliga on May 11, 2011, 10:37:10 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 11, 2011, 08:35:40 AM
I am not sure Pakistan is that friendly. In fact, I am pretty sure they are considerably less friendly than South Vietnam was...
I am quite sure that Pakistan is not at all friendly. The very definition of a marriage of convenience, in fact.
I am quite sure that countries cannot be friendly, because friendliness requires one to be able to feel an emotion, and a country is merely a legal fiction incapable of feelings.
Some Pakistanis are friendly to the US, some are not. Some who are not friendly act as though they are, and some who are act as if they are not; this is because they almost all act in self-interest no matter what they feel.
Bottom line: talking about what "Pakistan is" is pretty much a waste of time.
Quotefriend·ly
/ˈfrɛndli/ Show Spelled [frend-lee] Show IPA adjective, -li·er, -li·est, adverb, noun, plural -lies.
–adjective
1.
characteristic of or befitting a friend; showing friendship: a friendly greeting.
2.
like a friend; kind; helpful: a little friendly advice.
3.
favorably disposed; inclined to approve, help, or support: a friendly bank.
Quote from: grumbler on May 11, 2011, 02:17:44 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 11, 2011, 10:37:10 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 11, 2011, 08:35:40 AM
I am not sure Pakistan is that friendly. In fact, I am pretty sure they are considerably less friendly than South Vietnam was...
I am quite sure that Pakistan is not at all friendly. The very definition of a marriage of convenience, in fact.
I am quite sure that countries cannot be friendly, because friendliness requires one to be able to feel an emotion, and a country is merely a legal fiction incapable of feelings.
Some Pakistanis are friendly to the US, some are not. Some who are not friendly act as though they are, and some who are act as if they are not; this is because they almost all act in self-interest no matter what they feel.
Bottom line: talking about what "Pakistan is" is pretty much a waste of time.
So-- you're pretending not to know that they're talking about the South Vietnamese & Pakistani governments, right? :unsure:
:hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on May 11, 2011, 02:47:41 PM
:hmm:
Btw, the Hofbrauhaus Maibock is awesome this year :thumbsup:
Quote from: Berkut on May 11, 2011, 11:52:10 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2011, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 11, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
The French don't like it when people fail to retreat or surrender when given the opportunity to do so. :)
Heh. Nice living up to the meme. :D
But seriously ... I just can't see how the Air France "superiors" could have the nerve to punish a guy who put his ass on the line for others.
I can understand their logic - his actions placed more lives in danger (his own and his crews) making a potential rescue that much harder, and for not good purpose.
That being said, I still think he was right and courageous to do so. But I can see why Air France may have felt that they needed to make at least a token reprimand - after all, I bet they have established policy about what should be done in those circumstances, and I bet it is pretty much "If any hostage offers to let anyone go, you take them up on that offer, period."
Yeah, but what is a
hostage's offer worth under these circumstances? ;)
Quote from: derspiess on May 11, 2011, 02:50:25 PM
Btw, the Hofbrauhaus Maibock is awesome this year :thumbsup:
Haven't been up there this year. We were supposed to go up there and to IKEA with a friend of Princesca's but never got around to it. :(
Quote from: derspiess on May 11, 2011, 02:39:50 PM
So-- you're pretending not to know that they're talking about the South Vietnamese & Pakistani governments, right? :unsure:
So - you are pretending that governments are not made up of many people, who have often conflicting agendas, especially in cases where governments are extremely weak as in Pakistan and South Vietnam, right? :unsure:
That's not an answer to his question.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 12:49:14 AM
That's not an answer to his question.
That's not an answer to my question.
http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4dcbce49fdef8e91%2C0 (http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4dcbce49fdef8e91%2C0) :D
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 12:49:14 AM
That's not an answer to his question.
Actually, I think it is fair to suggest that you can't really necessarily consider Pakistan as an entire unit given the weakness an conflicting factions of its government.
Quote from: garbon on May 12, 2011, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 12:49:14 AM
That's not an answer to his question.
Actually, I think it is fair to suggest that you can't really necessarily consider Pakistan as an entire unit given the weakness an conflicting factions of its government.
This exists in all countries to some extent.
Quote from: grumbler on May 12, 2011, 06:33:50 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 12:49:14 AM
That's not an answer to his question.
That's not an answer to my question.
A question wasn't directed at me.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 12, 2011, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 12:49:14 AM
That's not an answer to his question.
Actually, I think it is fair to suggest that you can't really necessarily consider Pakistan as an entire unit given the weakness an conflicting factions of its government.
This exists in all countries to some extent.
Indeed. It's the extent.
Just heard on CNN that the SEALs had helmet mounted video recorders. :ph34r:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 14, 2011, 05:25:47 PM
Just heard on CNN that the SEALs had helmet mounted video recorders. :ph34r:
I heard the same thing about the Israelis that are going to fight the next war in Gaza. The'll be equipping many of the infantrymen with cameras.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 14, 2011, 05:25:47 PM
Just heard on CNN that the SEALs had helmet mounted video recorders. :ph34r:
Yeah, I figured that.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 14, 2011, 05:25:47 PM
Just heard on CNN that the SEALs had helmet mounted video recorders. :ph34r:
Still not as cool as sharks with head-mounted lasers.
Apparently, OBL's compound was chock full of heady porno goodness, with a shitload of vids. Go fig.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 14, 2011, 07:56:50 PM
Apparently, OBL's compound was chock full of heady porno goodness, with a shitload of vids. Go fig.
I think there was a DVD,
Ron Jeremy Bangs the 72 Virgins.
Quote from: Josephus on May 14, 2011, 08:22:43 PM
I think there was a DVD, Ron Jeremy Bangs the 72 Virgins.
Thousands and thousands of goy weiners in porn and Osama gets The Jew. What lousy luck.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 14, 2011, 07:56:50 PM
Apparently, OBL's compound was chock full of heady porno goodness, with a shitload of vids. Go fig.
Was there: full facial nudity! :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on May 15, 2011, 08:52:38 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 14, 2011, 07:56:50 PM
Apparently, OBL's compound was chock full of heady porno goodness, with a shitload of vids. Go fig.
Was there: full facial nudity! :hmm:
The one analyst on MSNBC yesterday said that, in recent years of terror-related seizures involving porn, there's been a substantial emphasis on fetishes, particularly feet.
I have tipped DHS to the relevant Languish posters.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2011, 09:05:08 AM
The one analyst on MSNBC yesterday said that, in recent years of terror-related seizures involving porn, there's been a substantial emphasis on fetishes, particularly feet.
I have tipped DHS to the relevant Languish posters.
I wonder if he'll appreciate you even more for giving him the drama of a waterboarding.
Quote from: Caliga on May 15, 2011, 08:52:38 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 14, 2011, 07:56:50 PM
Apparently, OBL's compound was chock full of heady porno goodness, with a shitload of vids. Go fig.
Was there: full facial nudity! :hmm:
Those terrible strumpets and their exposed ankles.
Burka Chicks, American Dicks
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 10, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13343497
QuoteBin Laden raid: US team 'ready to use force'
President Barack Obama insisted that the team to hunt down Osama Bin Laden be large enough to fight its way out in case it met resistance from Pakistani forces, the New York Times reports.
40 US Navy SEALS > Entire Pakistani military :cool:
40?
That have to be the largest point target air assault raid evah.
You don't want that many mothefuckers running around on a target house.
Friendly fire is a bitch.
You want 1 insertion point, and 1 extraction point.
Of course you gonna have primary, alternate, and suplementary tentative insertion and extraction points, but everybody have to be on the same page.
Your PLZ (primary landing zone) should be on top of the target, but your alternate and suplementary should be sequencially farther away in case when you get eyes on target it becomes evident a top drop is impossible and you need a side drop.
Now imagine 40 mothefuckers landing on the same LZ.
A Blackie can only carry 11 grunts (plus the crew of 4), so 40 dudes means 4 Blackhawks, and since it was a house closed courtyard, they had to land one at a time.
But then, we are talking of superhuman team 6, and they had cloaked orbital dropships.
Quote from: Siege on May 16, 2011, 04:29:53 AMA Blackie can only carry 11 grunts (plus the crew of 4), so 40 dudes means 4 Blackhawks, and since it was a house closed courtyard, they had to land one at a time.
But then, we are talking of superhuman team 6, and they had cloaked orbital dropships.
I heard it was 2 Blackhawks and 2 Chinooks.
Quote from: citizen k on May 16, 2011, 04:32:34 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 16, 2011, 04:29:53 AMA Blackie can only carry 11 grunts (plus the crew of 4), so 40 dudes means 4 Blackhawks, and since it was a house closed courtyard, they had to land one at a time.
But then, we are talking of superhuman team 6, and they had cloaked orbital dropships.
I heard it was 2 Blackhawks and 2 Chinooks.
Well, a single Chinook can land 40 dudes all by itself.
They need a lot of open space to land, though.
I don't think they would repel down from the birds.
That would be too slow.
In the end it all depends of the terrain.
I don't know how big the inner courtyard of that house was.
In a perfect world, I would land the Blackies in the inner courtyard and go straight for the primary breaching point, while landing the Chins outside to lock down the outer courtyard and all avenues of approach to the target house.
Quote from: Siege on May 16, 2011, 05:08:45 AM
Quote from: citizen k on May 16, 2011, 04:32:34 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 16, 2011, 04:29:53 AMA Blackie can only carry 11 grunts (plus the crew of 4), so 40 dudes means 4 Blackhawks, and since it was a house closed courtyard, they had to land one at a time.
But then, we are talking of superhuman team 6, and they had cloaked orbital dropships.
I heard it was 2 Blackhawks and 2 Chinooks.
Well, a single Chinook can land 40 dudes all by itself.
They need a lot of open space to land, though.
I don't think they would repel down from the birds.
That would be too slow.
In the end it all depends of the terrain.
I don't know how big the inner courtyard of that house was.
In a perfect world, I would land the Blackies in the inner courtyard and go straight for the primary breaching point, while landing the Chins outside to lock down the outer courtyard and all avenues of approach to the target house.
Not knowing the details of the raid, but I had assumed all along that some of the team was deployed outside the compound, covering the possible approaches (and exits).
Quote from: dps on May 16, 2011, 07:02:16 AMNot knowing the details of the raid, but I had assumed all along that some of the team was deployed outside the compound, covering the possible approaches (and exits).
Townspeople who approached the compound during the raid were turned back by men with laser sights who spoke Pashtun.
Quote from: citizen k on May 16, 2011, 02:21:34 PM
Quote from: dps on May 16, 2011, 07:02:16 AMNot knowing the details of the raid, but I had assumed all along that some of the team was deployed outside the compound, covering the possible approaches (and exits).
Townspeople who approached the compound during the raid were turned back by men with laser sights who spoke Pashtun.
I'm pretty sure most US personell can shout "Hände Hoch!" and "Der Engländer is weck!" in Arabic, Dari and Pashto.
Quote from: citizen k on May 16, 2011, 02:21:34 PM
Quote from: dps on May 16, 2011, 07:02:16 AMNot knowing the details of the raid, but I had assumed all along that some of the team was deployed outside the compound, covering the possible approaches (and exits).
Townspeople who approached the compound during the raid were turned back by men with laser sights who spoke Pashtun.
:rolleyes: And ninja wizards?
The US is apparently getting the tail rotor of the crashed helo back, from Pakistan.
John Kerry has been active; he seems pretty well received on his visits to other nations. Also did some tough talk to the Pakistani govt too. I've begun to give him more leeway, a bit more respect.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/17/pakistan.raid.helicopter/index.html
Kerry: Pakistan to return tail of chopper used in bin Laden raid
Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan will return the tail of a U.S. helicopter Tuesday that was damaged during the raid that killed terror leader Osama bin Laden, a move that is part of a process to improve cooperation between the two nations, Sen. John Kerry said.
The helicopter crashed during the raid on the al Qaeda leader's compound May 2.
"I can tell you, an example, tomorrow the tail of the helicopter will be returned to America and we'll take possession of that in a coordinated operation that will take place with them," Kerry, D- Massachusetts, told reporters Monday during a visit to Islamabad. "That's step number one. And there are other steps that will take place immediately."
The one major problem for the Navy SEALs who killed bin Laden was the crash of the helicopter.
In photos of what was left after the SEAL team tried to destroy the aircraft, numerous aviation experts say they saw several telltale signs of stealth technology.
"Had this particular helicopter not crashed, we still would have no idea of its existence," said Gareth Jennings, the aviation desk editor for Jane's Defence Weekly.
Can U.S. hit Pakistan 'reset' button?
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The helicopter was left on the ground at the al Qaeda leader's compound during the raid, although the SEALs were able to destroy much of the main body when it became clear it couldn't fly.
But the tail rotor assembly came down on the other side of the compound wall and was left largely intact when the SEALs finished their mission.
Pakistani troops were seen hauling the wreckage away on trucks covered with tarps.
In his remarks Monday, Kerry said the United States need not apologize to Pakistan for the successful raid that killed bin Laden. But, he said, it is important that the countries find a way to mend their frayed relationship in the wake of the attack.
Kerry said his goal in visiting was to begin a process that would leave the United States and Pakistan in a position where "isolated episodes, no matter how profound, do not jeopardize the relationships between our countries."
But he said Pakistan must choose between being a haven for extremists or a tolerant democracy and that the United States is willing to help the country.
"Our progress in the days ahead will be measured by actions, not words," he said.
Although many in Pakistan have accused the United States of violating Pakistani sovereignty by launching a unilateral military attack inside the country, Kerry said Pakistanis should direct their ire at bin Laden and his legion of foreign fighters, who he said were responsible for thousands of deaths inside Pakistan.
The Pakistani parliament recently condemned the raid, adopting a resolution calling for a review of its counter-terrorism cooperation agreement with the United States. The resolution also ordered the immediate end of drone attacks in a tribal region of Pakistan near the Afghan border.
Kerry said he was pleased Pakistan officials have committed to finding new ways to work on the terror threat and increased cooperation on joint operations and intelligence sharing, but did not elaborate on the steps to be taken.
He said two senior administration officials would soon visit the country to expand on the work. That visit would be followed by another featuring U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Kerry said.
Who cares about Kerry? :x
Quote from: garbon on May 17, 2011, 10:24:36 AM
Who cares about Kerry? :x
I've been very sour on him. He's my State Senator but I've never had much regard for him. Still don't really, but he does have his positive sides which I give him some credit for.
Quote from: KRonn on May 17, 2011, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 17, 2011, 10:24:36 AM
Who cares about Kerry? :x
I've been very sour on him. He's my State Senator but I've never had much regard for him. Still don't really, but he does have his positive sides which I give him some credit for.
That doesn't answer my question...and he was my state senator at one point as well. :contract:
Who cares about the rotor tail?
Quote from: Josephus on May 17, 2011, 10:43:20 AM
Who cares about the rotor tail?
I'd get it one piece at a time
And it wouldn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style
I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round.
Quote from: Josephus on May 17, 2011, 10:43:20 AM
Who cares about the rotor tail?
It's part of the stealth system on the helo. And I think the article says that this helo stealth technology wouldn't even be known if not for this crash.
Quote from: garbon on May 17, 2011, 10:34:15 AM
Quote from: KRonn on May 17, 2011, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 17, 2011, 10:24:36 AM
Who cares about Kerry? :x
I've been very sour on him. He's my State Senator but I've never had much regard for him. Still don't really, but he does have his positive sides which I give him some credit for.
That doesn't answer my question...and he was my state senator at one point as well. :contract:
Well, I'm sure many Dems care about Kerry's doings and such. ;)
So you had the pleasure of Kerry serving you in Congress!
Quote from: KRonn on May 17, 2011, 12:06:28 PM
So you had the pleasure of Kerry serving you in Congress!
<_<
I lost all respect for Kerry when he tried to get a cheesesteak with SWISS CHEESE in Philadelphia. :wacko:
Quote from: Caliga on May 17, 2011, 12:54:47 PM
I lost all respect for Kerry when he tried to get a cheesesteak with SWISS CHEESE in Philadelphia. :wacko:
He used a napkin also. That is what his shirt is for.
ORLY? I didn't know that. Kerry respeck -10. :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on May 17, 2011, 12:58:32 PM
ORLY? I didn't know that. Kerry respeck -10. :mad:
You know that elitist prick had a napkin or a wet-nap nearby.
He probably had a staffer whose sole job is holding the wet-naps.
Interesting piece about Saudi Arabian reaction to OBL death, including people who knew him.
Quote
.....
Jamal Khashoggi, who had travelled extensively with Bin Laden in Afghanistan, attended the talk and afterwards asked his old friend how he could be so certain of the future.
"He recited a verse from the Koran," recalls Jamal.
"The verse means the one who practises jihad for God, for Allah, God will show them the right path. I wasn't comfortable about it. He had given himself the position of 'I am seeing things because God is directing me towards it'. That was the first time I felt that Osama began to have an inflated ego."
.....
For Jamal Khashoggi, there is something apt about the fact that Bin Laden was killed at this time, in the midst of much upheaval in the Middle East.
"His organisation, ideas and thoughts reached a dead end," he said.
"They all failed in Tahrir Square. He could have done much better for himself, for his family, for his religion if he had remained a moderate."
Full article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-middle-east-13419741 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-middle-east-13419741)
Quote from: Caliga on May 17, 2011, 01:02:25 PM
He probably had a staffer whose sole job is holding the wet-naps.
And he probably tried to order in French.
:sleep:
Quote from: Caliga on May 17, 2011, 01:02:25 PM
He probably had a staffer whose sole job is holding the wet-naps.
Forget the wet-naps; if I were a Senator, I'd just wipe my hands on my staffers' shirts.
Well, not really, but it's fun to pretend.
Quote from: Caliga on May 17, 2011, 12:54:47 PM
... a cheesesteak with SWISS CHEESE
:mmm: Respek +10
:glare:
I wouldn't be surprised if most steak shops up there don't even carry Swiss. Don't be That Guy. :)
OTOH the next time I'm in Chicago I think I'm going to ask for ketchup for my hot dog. :showoff:
I went to Philly and was all "man, gotta try on of these famous cheesesteaks with cheez whiz!"
Jesus fucking Christ that was gross. Cheez Whiz? Seriously? WTF is that stuff even made out of - oil byproducts or something? Plastic?
The steak and cheese sandwich I get at the mall here in Rochester (Charley's Steakery - yum) was much, much, MUCH better.
Easy Cheese! :wub:
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 09:19:26 AM
I went to Philly and was all "man, gotta try on of these famous cheesesteaks with cheez whiz!"
You gotta be kidding me. I thought they used real cheese on those.
Quote
Jesus fucking Christ that was gross. Cheez Whiz? Seriously? WTF is that stuff even made out of - oil byproducts or something? Plastic?
I think so. All I know is that the thickener or whatever that they put in it, if you get it on your clothes it will not wash out. Ever. I have a good friend who works at the Kraft plant here in Champaign.
That's one of 3 choices I think, the others are American cheese and Provolone IIRC.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 18, 2011, 09:30:41 AM
That's one of 3 choices I think, the others are American cheese and Provolone IIRC.
So only one real cheese out of the three.
Cheez Wizz is only good on Brocoli anyway.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 09:37:01 AM
Cheez Wizz is only good on Brocoli anyway.
I am trying to think of some application for Cheez Wizz where it would not be better to just put actual cheese on whatever it is you are using the Cheez Wizz for.
Nothing is coming to mind.
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 09:37:01 AM
Cheez Wizz is only good on Brocoli anyway.
I am trying to think of some application for Cheez Wizz where it would not be better to just put actual cheese on whatever it is you are using the Cheez Wizz for.
Nothing is coming to mind.
Rat poison?
Quote from: Maximus on May 18, 2011, 09:32:29 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 18, 2011, 09:30:41 AM
That's one of 3 choices I think, the others are American cheese and Provolone IIRC.
So only one real cheese out of the three.
Yup! :D
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 09:37:01 AM
Cheez Wizz is only good on Brocoli anyway.
I am trying to think of some application for Cheez Wizz where it would not be better to just put actual cheese on whatever it is you are using the Cheez Wizz for.
Nothing is coming to mind.
When a spreadable cheeze like substance is required? On toasts?
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 09:37:01 AM
Cheez Wizz is only good on Brocoli anyway.
I am trying to think of some application for Cheez Wizz where it would not be better to just put actual cheese on whatever it is you are using the Cheez Wizz for.
Nothing is coming to mind.
When a spreadable cheeze like substance is required? On toasts?
You're supposed to toast it with the cheese on the bread in a toaster oven.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 18, 2011, 10:46:24 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 09:37:01 AM
Cheez Wizz is only good on Brocoli anyway.
I am trying to think of some application for Cheez Wizz where it would not be better to just put actual cheese on whatever it is you are using the Cheez Wizz for.
Nothing is coming to mind.
When a spreadable cheeze like substance is required? On toasts?
You're supposed to toast it with the cheese on the bread in a toaster oven.
Really? I'll have to try that. I don't own a toaster oven tho.
We got rid of the toaster oven. Too many kitchen appliances, we hardly ever used it.
I need to buy a Fryer. Tired of getting my fried fish all wrong.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 10:58:17 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 18, 2011, 10:46:24 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 09:37:01 AM
Cheez Wizz is only good on Brocoli anyway.
I am trying to think of some application for Cheez Wizz where it would not be better to just put actual cheese on whatever it is you are using the Cheez Wizz for.
Nothing is coming to mind.
When a spreadable cheeze like substance is required? On toasts?
You're supposed to toast it with the cheese on the bread in a toaster oven.
Really? I'll have to try that. I don't own a toaster oven tho.
try the broiler setting of your stove.
I now have a convection/microwave/toaster oven. So I got rid of the old toaster oven and freed up the counter space. I did use it quite a lot though.
I never put cheez wiz on my cheesesteaks. Cheez wiz is for white trash people. :yuk:
First choice has always been provolone, and I never had a steak shop tell me they couldn't do provolone. Second choice is american cheese, but it's a distant second.
No alternative to provolone is acceptable.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 10:12:42 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 18, 2011, 09:37:01 AM
Cheez Wizz is only good on Brocoli anyway.
I am trying to think of some application for Cheez Wizz where it would not be better to just put actual cheese on whatever it is you are using the Cheez Wizz for.
Nothing is coming to mind.
When a spreadable cheeze like substance is required? On toasts?
There are a lot of spreadable cheeses out there that are actually made out of cheese that would be a lot better than Cheez Wizz.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 18, 2011, 12:00:56 PM
No alternative to provolone is acceptable.
Charleys bacon 3cheese steak. Provolone, cheddar, and swiss. With bacon.
Dear god it is so good....
Quote from: Caliga on May 18, 2011, 11:57:23 AM
Second choice is american cheese, but it's a distant second.
:yuk:
That's really no better than cheez wizz
SOmetimes, maybe every few years, there's nothing like cheez-wizz on toast. :blush:
Quote from: Maximus on May 18, 2011, 01:08:03 PM
That's really no better than cheez wizz
For a cheesesteak it's better than nothing. If someone gives me a cheesesteak with american cheese on it, I'll eat it. But I would never order one that way and, like I said, have always been able to get provolone when ordering. :cool:
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 18, 2011, 12:00:56 PM
No alternative to provolone is acceptable.
Charleys bacon 3cheese steak. Provolone, cheddar, and swiss. With bacon.
Dear god it is so good....
Get ready for Caliga to tell you "Don't be That Guy." Steak places don't have swiss cheese.
I once had a serious addiction to
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.seattlepi.com%2Fbeastmom%2Ffiles%2Flibrary%2F10-2-08_easy_cheese_spray_can.jpg&hash=b6c50b444039231f46e4a6a4e5ae7c491ba17037)
but I got better. Except for the occasional relapse where I'm found passed out naked in the bathroom with a dozen empty cans.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 18, 2011, 01:50:22 PM
I once had a serious addiction to
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.seattlepi.com%2Fbeastmom%2Ffiles%2Flibrary%2F10-2-08_easy_cheese_spray_can.jpg&hash=b6c50b444039231f46e4a6a4e5ae7c491ba17037)
but I got better. Except for the occasional relapse where I'm found passed out naked in the bathroom with a dozen empty cans.
:mmm:
Quote from: grumbler on May 18, 2011, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 18, 2011, 12:00:56 PM
No alternative to provolone is acceptable.
Charleys bacon 3cheese steak. Provolone, cheddar, and swiss. With bacon.
Dear god it is so good....
Get ready for Caliga to tell you "Don't be That Guy." Steak places don't have swiss cheese.
Damn, that creates quite a quandry for me.
Is Charleys Steakery, despite the title, not actually a steak place?
Or is whatever they are putting on their oh so delicious 3cheese bacon steak sandwhich not *rally* swiss at all????
Or...what if it is both? What if I've been eating some sort of fucking tofurti creation all this time???? :bleeding:
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 02:11:24 PM
Is Charleys Steakery, despite the title, not actually a steak place?
I'm in charge of deciding what is a steak place and what isn't, but I don't need to take the cheese into consideration when making my call because NOBODY BUT NOBODY PUTS BACON ON A CHEESESTEAK. :wacko:
Charleys Steakery = not a steak place. :mad:
Quote from: Maximus on May 18, 2011, 01:08:03 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 18, 2011, 11:57:23 AM
Second choice is american cheese, but it's a distant second.
:yuk:
That's really no better than cheez wizz
Really. I never order cheeseburgers, 'cause almost every place uses American cheese on 'em, and I won't eat that crap on anything.
The only time I'm ashamed to be an American is when I see a slice of American cheese.
Quote from: Caliga on May 18, 2011, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 02:11:24 PM
Is Charleys Steakery, despite the title, not actually a steak place?
I'm in charge of deciding what is a steak place and what isn't, but I don't need to take the cheese into consideration when making my call because NOBODY BUT NOBODY PUTS BACON ON A CHEESESTEAK. :wacko:
Charleys Steakery = not a steak place. :mad:
But it is sooooooo good! It is that nice thick peppery bacon, all buried in the cheese....drool.
Well ok, but never ask for bacon on your cheesesteak in Philly unless you want to get beaten up. :)
Quote from: Caliga on May 18, 2011, 02:40:29 PM
Well ok, but never ask for bacon on your cheesesteak in Philly unless you want to get beaten up. :)
I thought I already made it clear that I won't be ever ordering one of those piece of shit cheesesteaks they make in Philly to begin with - the stuff I can get at the chain joint in the local mall >>>>>>>>>>>>> crap in Philly.
:mad:
Noremberg-like defenses won't work in the Philadelphia Cheesesteak Court, son. :menace:
Quote from: Maximus on May 18, 2011, 09:29:01 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 09:19:26 AM
I went to Philly and was all "man, gotta try on of these famous cheesesteaks with cheez whiz!"
You gotta be kidding me. I thought they used real cheese on those.
Nope, a real authentic Philly Style uses Cheez Whiz. It's an embarrassment to actual meat, and why Filthadelphia will always remain Filthadelphia.
And swiss on a cheese steak is the bomb. Provolone is runner-up.
Except when it's a shtrimp cheesesteak. Wiff extra shtrimp, yo.
Quote from: Caliga on May 18, 2011, 02:40:29 PM
Well ok, but never ask for bacon on your cheesesteak in go to Philly unless you want to get beaten up. :)
FYP. Why anyone would go to Philly ever beats me. I did it once, out of ignorance. I didn't leave anything there, so never went back.
Philiy food is to food as Philly sports teams are to sports teams.
Quote from: grumbler on May 18, 2011, 07:27:32 PM
Philiy food is to food as Philly sports teams are to sports teams.
This. Like a motherfucker.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 18, 2011, 07:16:36 PM
Nope, a real authentic Philly Style uses Cheez Whiz. It's an embarrassment to actual meat, and why Filthadelphia will always remain Filthadelphia.
Wrong. Pat's and Geno's use cheez wiz because they're trying to serve as many people as quickly as possible. But most steak shops don't use it nad growing up I don't recall ever getting served it or knowing anyone who asked for it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 18, 2011, 07:28:08 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 18, 2011, 07:27:32 PM
Philiy food is to food as Philly sports teams are to sports teams.
This. Like a motherfucker.
:lol: I cannot disagree. :blush:
Quote from: Caliga on May 18, 2011, 07:36:40 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 18, 2011, 07:16:36 PM
Nope, a real authentic Philly Style uses Cheez Whiz. It's an embarrassment to actual meat, and why Filthadelphia will always remain Filthadelphia.
Wrong. Pat's and Geno's use cheez wiz because they're trying to serve as many people as quickly as possible. But most steak shops don't use it nad growing up I don't recall ever getting served it or knowing anyone who asked for it.
None of the street vendors I bought Philly cheese steaks from in Philly ever used Cheez Whiz. I'd gag and drop dead right there on the street if they did.
:yuk: The only things that are acceptable to buy from a street vendor in Philadelphia are soft pretzels. :mmm:
...or WUDDER ICE in the summer. :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on May 18, 2011, 07:45:55 PM
:yuk: The only things that are acceptable to buy from a street vendor in Philadelphia are soft pretzels. :mmm:
...or WUDDER ICE in the summer. :cool:
Their cheesesteaks are not quite Triple Stackers, true, but they're not bad.
More good news on the war against al-Qaida.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43277881/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
QuotePESHAWAR, Pakistan — A top al-Qaida commander and possible replacement for Osama bin Laden was killed in an American drone-fired missile strike close to the Afghan border, a militant group and Pakistani officials said Saturday.
Ilyas Kashmiri's apparent death is another blow to al-Qaida just over a month after bin Laden was killed by American commandos in a northwest Pakistani army town. Described by U.S. officials as al-Qaida's military operations chief in Pakistan, the 47-year-old Pakistani was one of five most-wanted militant leaders in the country, accused of a string of bloody attacks in South Asia, including the 2008 Mumbai massacre, as well as aiding plots in the West. Washington had offered a $5 million bounty for information leading to his location.
His death was not confirmed publicly by the United States or Pakistani officials. Verifying who has been killed in the drone strikes is difficult. Initial reports have turned out to be wrong in the past, including one in September 2009 that said Kashmiri had been killed. Sometimes they are never formally denied or confirmed by authorities here or in the United States.
But a fax from the militant group he was heading — Harakat-ul-Jihad al-Islami's feared "313 Brigade" — confirmed Kashmiri was "martyred" in the strike at 11:15 p.m. Friday in South Waziristan tribal region. It was sent to journalists in Peshawar.
"God willing, America, which is the 'pharaoh' of this, will soon see a revenge attack, and our real target is America," it said. The statement was handwritten written on a white page bearing name of the group, which has not previously communicated with the media.
The Pakistani official also said Kashmiri was among nine militants killed in the strike. He spoke on condition of anonymity in line with his agency's policy. On Friday night, officials said several missiles hit a compound. The official Saturday said the men were meeting in an apple orchard near the house when the missiles hit.
Kashmiri's name was on a list of militants that the United States and Pakistan recently agreed to jointly target, officials have said. The successful strike could help repair ties between the two countries that were badly damaged by the unilateral American raid, especially if Islamabad helped provide intelligence leading up to the attack.
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Said to be blind in one eye and missing a finger, Kashmiri was one of the country's most accomplished — and vicious — militants. He fought with jihadi fighters in Afghanistan and in Indian-held Kashmir in the 1990s and was so close to al-Qaida's central command that he had been mentioned as a contender for replacing bin Laden, though many analysts thought the fact that he was not an Arab meant he was unlikely to get the post.
Indian officials have alleged he was involved in the 2008 Mumbai siege that killed more than 160 people. He has also been named a defendant in an American court over a planned attack on a Danish newspaper that published cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad in 2005.
In an ongoing terror trial in Chicago, testimony from an American-Pakistani militant has alleged that Kashmiri helped plan the Mumbai siege and wanted to attack U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin. Kashmiri had been angry over U.S. drone attacks inside Pakistan and wanted to target the company, David Coleman Headley testified.
Kashmiri has most recently been linked to last month's 18-hour assault on a naval base in Karachi. He is also accused of masterminding several bloody raids on Pakistan police and intelligence buildings in 2009 and 2010, as well as a failed assassination attempt against then-President Pervez Musharraf in 2003.
The U.S Department of State says he organized a 2006 suicide bombing against the U.S. consulate in Karachi that killed four people, including an American diplomat.
Story: 200 militants cross Afghan border to attack Pakistan checkpoint
American drones began firing missiles at al-Qaida and Taliban targets along the border in 2005, but the attacks picked up pace in 2008 and have risen in frequency ever since. Pakistani army officers and politicians publicly protest them, too weak to admit to working with the ever unpopular America in targeting fellow Pakistanis, but the country's intelligence agencies have been known to occasionally provide targeting information.
Opposition to the strikes grew this year after a CIA contractor shot and killed two Pakistanis in the street, triggering ever more intense anti-American anger. After the bin Laden raid, which was seen by many here as an outrageous violation of the country's sovereignty, the parliament issued a declaration calling for the attacks to end.
Pakistani leaders were not immediately available for comment on Friday's attack. Kashmiri was accused of killing many Pakistanis, including police and army officers, so their public reaction may be muted.
The United States does not acknowledge the CIA-run program, though its officials have confirmed the death of high-value targets before, including the head of the Pakistani Taliban, Baitullah Mehsud, in 2009 — a strike welcomed by many Pakistan officials because he too was a sworn enemy of the country.
Washington says the strikes are accurately killing militants and are disrupting plots against the West as well as planned attacks on U.S. troops in Afghanistan.
I thought of posting a thread entitled "US forces kill bearded man", about this. I decided against it. Apparently he had only one eye as well, so he may have never seen it coming.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 04, 2011, 08:47:09 PM
I thought of posting a thread entitled "US forces kill bearded man", about this. I decided against it. Apparently he had only one eye as well, so he may have never seen it coming.
He had no depth perception, so thought the hellfire was going to miss.
Hopefully some of the intel our boys picked up with Bin Laden will lead to a whole series of these killings.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 04, 2011, 08:47:09 PM
I thought of posting a thread entitled "US forces kill bearded man", about this. I decided against it. Apparently he had only one eye as well, so he may have never seen it coming.
What if it was: Odin. :(
Al-Zawahri officially named #1. Is this really news? Why is it plastered across MSNBC?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43421125/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 16, 2011, 06:57:20 AM
Al-Zawahri officially named #1. Is this really news? Why is it plastered across MSNBC?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43421125/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
Cause they are idiots?