The Obama "To Make Important Statement" MEGATHREAD

Started by CountDeMoney, May 01, 2011, 09:34:45 PM

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Neil

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2011, 09:05:08 AM
The one analyst on MSNBC yesterday said that, in recent years of terror-related seizures involving porn, there's been a substantial emphasis on fetishes, particularly feet.

I have tipped DHS to the relevant Languish posters.
I wonder if he'll appreciate you even more for giving him the drama of a waterboarding.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Viking

Quote from: Caliga on May 15, 2011, 08:52:38 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 14, 2011, 07:56:50 PM
Apparently, OBL's compound was chock full of heady porno goodness, with a shitload of vids.  Go fig.
Was there: full facial nudity! :hmm:

Those terrible strumpets and their exposed ankles.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

HisMajestyBOB

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Siege

Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 10, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13343497

QuoteBin Laden raid: US team 'ready to use force'
President Barack Obama insisted that the team to hunt down Osama Bin Laden be large enough to fight its way out in case it met resistance from Pakistani forces, the New York Times reports.

40 US Navy SEALS > Entire Pakistani military  :cool:

40?
That have to be the largest point target air assault raid evah.
You don't want that many mothefuckers running around on a target house.
Friendly fire is a bitch.
You want 1 insertion point, and 1 extraction point.
Of course you gonna have primary, alternate, and suplementary tentative insertion and extraction points, but everybody have to be on the same page.
Your PLZ (primary landing zone) should be on top of the target, but your alternate and suplementary should be sequencially farther away in case when you get eyes on target it becomes evident a top drop is impossible and you need a side drop.
Now imagine 40 mothefuckers landing on the same LZ.
A Blackie can only carry 11 grunts (plus the crew of 4), so 40 dudes means 4 Blackhawks, and since it was a house closed courtyard, they had to land one at a time.

But then, we are talking of superhuman team 6, and they had cloaked orbital dropships.





"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


citizen k

Quote from: Siege on May 16, 2011, 04:29:53 AMA Blackie can only carry 11 grunts (plus the crew of 4), so 40 dudes means 4 Blackhawks, and since it was a house closed courtyard, they had to land one at a time.

But then, we are talking of superhuman team 6, and they had cloaked orbital dropships.

I heard it was 2 Blackhawks and 2 Chinooks.


Siege

Quote from: citizen k on May 16, 2011, 04:32:34 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 16, 2011, 04:29:53 AMA Blackie can only carry 11 grunts (plus the crew of 4), so 40 dudes means 4 Blackhawks, and since it was a house closed courtyard, they had to land one at a time.

But then, we are talking of superhuman team 6, and they had cloaked orbital dropships.

I heard it was 2 Blackhawks and 2 Chinooks.



Well, a single Chinook can land 40 dudes all by itself.
They need a lot of open space to land, though.
I don't think they would repel down from the birds.
That would be too slow.

In the end it all depends of the terrain.
I don't know how big the inner courtyard of that house was.
In a perfect world, I would land the Blackies in the inner courtyard and go straight for the primary breaching point, while landing the Chins outside to lock down the outer courtyard and all avenues of approach to the target house.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


dps

Quote from: Siege on May 16, 2011, 05:08:45 AM
Quote from: citizen k on May 16, 2011, 04:32:34 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 16, 2011, 04:29:53 AMA Blackie can only carry 11 grunts (plus the crew of 4), so 40 dudes means 4 Blackhawks, and since it was a house closed courtyard, they had to land one at a time.

But then, we are talking of superhuman team 6, and they had cloaked orbital dropships.

I heard it was 2 Blackhawks and 2 Chinooks.



Well, a single Chinook can land 40 dudes all by itself.
They need a lot of open space to land, though.
I don't think they would repel down from the birds.
That would be too slow.

In the end it all depends of the terrain.
I don't know how big the inner courtyard of that house was.
In a perfect world, I would land the Blackies in the inner courtyard and go straight for the primary breaching point, while landing the Chins outside to lock down the outer courtyard and all avenues of approach to the target house.

Not knowing the details of the raid, but I had assumed all along that some of the team was deployed outside the compound, covering the possible approaches (and exits).

citizen k

Quote from: dps on May 16, 2011, 07:02:16 AMNot knowing the details of the raid, but I had assumed all along that some of the team was deployed outside the compound, covering the possible approaches (and exits).

Townspeople who approached the compound during the raid were turned back by men with laser sights who spoke Pashtun.


Viking

Quote from: citizen k on May 16, 2011, 02:21:34 PM
Quote from: dps on May 16, 2011, 07:02:16 AMNot knowing the details of the raid, but I had assumed all along that some of the team was deployed outside the compound, covering the possible approaches (and exits).

Townspeople who approached the compound during the raid were turned back by men with laser sights who spoke Pashtun.

I'm pretty sure most US personell can shout "Hände Hoch!" and "Der Engländer is weck!" in Arabic, Dari and Pashto.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

The Brain

Quote from: citizen k on May 16, 2011, 02:21:34 PM
Quote from: dps on May 16, 2011, 07:02:16 AMNot knowing the details of the raid, but I had assumed all along that some of the team was deployed outside the compound, covering the possible approaches (and exits).

Townspeople who approached the compound during the raid were turned back by men with laser sights who spoke Pashtun.

:rolleyes: And ninja wizards?
Women want me. Men want to be with me.


KRonn

The US is apparently getting the tail rotor of the crashed helo back, from Pakistan.

John Kerry has been active; he seems pretty well received on his visits to other nations. Also did some tough talk to the Pakistani govt too. I've begun to give him more leeway, a bit more respect. 

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http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/17/pakistan.raid.helicopter/index.html

Kerry: Pakistan to return tail of chopper used in bin Laden raid

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan will return the tail of a U.S. helicopter Tuesday that was damaged during the raid that killed terror leader Osama bin Laden, a move that is part of a process to improve cooperation between the two nations, Sen. John Kerry said.

The helicopter crashed during the raid on the al Qaeda leader's compound May 2.

"I can tell you, an example, tomorrow the tail of the helicopter will be returned to America and we'll take possession of that in a coordinated operation that will take place with them," Kerry, D- Massachusetts, told reporters Monday during a visit to Islamabad. "That's step number one. And there are other steps that will take place immediately."

The one major problem for the Navy SEALs who killed bin Laden was the crash of the helicopter.

In photos of what was left after the SEAL team tried to destroy the aircraft, numerous aviation experts say they saw several telltale signs of stealth technology.

"Had this particular helicopter not crashed, we still would have no idea of its existence," said Gareth Jennings, the aviation desk editor for Jane's Defence Weekly.
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The helicopter was left on the ground at the al Qaeda leader's compound during the raid, although the SEALs were able to destroy much of the main body when it became clear it couldn't fly.

But the tail rotor assembly came down on the other side of the compound wall and was left largely intact when the SEALs finished their mission.

Pakistani troops were seen hauling the wreckage away on trucks covered with tarps.

In his remarks Monday, Kerry said the United States need not apologize to Pakistan for the successful raid that killed bin Laden. But, he said, it is important that the countries find a way to mend their frayed relationship in the wake of the attack.

Kerry said his goal in visiting was to begin a process that would leave the United States and Pakistan in a position where "isolated episodes, no matter how profound, do not jeopardize the relationships between our countries."

But he said Pakistan must choose between being a haven for extremists or a tolerant democracy and that the United States is willing to help the country.

"Our progress in the days ahead will be measured by actions, not words," he said.


Although many in Pakistan have accused the United States of violating Pakistani sovereignty by launching a unilateral military attack inside the country, Kerry said Pakistanis should direct their ire at bin Laden and his legion of foreign fighters, who he said were responsible for thousands of deaths inside Pakistan.

The Pakistani parliament recently condemned the raid, adopting a resolution calling for a review of its counter-terrorism cooperation agreement with the United States. The resolution also ordered the immediate end of drone attacks in a tribal region of Pakistan near the Afghan border.

Kerry said he was pleased Pakistan officials have committed to finding new ways to work on the terror threat and increased cooperation on joint operations and intelligence sharing, but did not elaborate on the steps to be taken.

He said two senior administration officials would soon visit the country to expand on the work. That visit would be followed by another featuring U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Kerry said.

garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

KRonn

Quote from: garbon on May 17, 2011, 10:24:36 AM
Who cares about Kerry? :x
I've been very sour on him. He's my State Senator but I've never had much regard for him. Still don't really, but he does have his positive sides which I give him some credit for.

garbon

Quote from: KRonn on May 17, 2011, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 17, 2011, 10:24:36 AM
Who cares about Kerry? :x
I've been very sour on him. He's my State Senator but I've never had much regard for him. Still don't really, but he does have his positive sides which I give him some credit for.

That doesn't answer my question...and he was my state senator at one point as well. :contract:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.