http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-38114953
QuoteFidel Castro, Cuba's former president and leader of the Communist revolution, has died aged 90, state TV has announced.
It provided no further details.
Fidel Castro ruled Cuba as a one-party state for almost half a century before handing over the powers to his brother Raul in 2008.
His supporters praised him as a man who had given Cuba back to the people. But his opponents accused him of brutally suppressing opposition.
In April, Fidel Castro gave a rare speech on the final day of the country's Communist Party congress.
He acknowledged his advanced age but said Cuban communist concepts were still valid and the Cuban people "will be victorious".
Goodbye, Fidel. You were the 3rd least-evil Communist dictator, after Gorbachev and Tito.
Edit: And maybe also after Khrushchev, and your brother, and some of the late Soviet geriatrics.
As far as 2016 deaths go I can live with this one.
Hopefully this can be the end of the US/Cuba nonsense, and we can continue to improve and normalize relations.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on November 26, 2016, 12:54:08 AM
Goodbye, Fidel. You were the 3rd least-evil Communist dictator, after Gorbachev and Tito.
Edit: And maybe also after Khrushchev, and your brother, and some of the late Soviet geriatrics.
I'd go Deng, Krushchev, Ho, then Castro. Gorbachev doesn't count.
Best month ever.
RIP Augusto. :(
So many greats lost in 2016.
Edit: Fuck, now that all the Commietards will be in mourning Swedish media will be worse than usual. That's pretty bad.
:cheers:
Quote from: sbr on November 26, 2016, 01:10:22 AM
Hopefully this can be the end of the US/Cuba nonsense, and we can continue to improve and normalize relations.
:nelson:
Announced just ages hours after I left Cuba :ph34r:
:nelson: at the cia
Quote from: HVC on November 26, 2016, 03:19:52 AM
Announced just ages hours after I left Cuba :ph34r:
I see.
Quote from: HVC on November 26, 2016, 03:19:52 AM
Announced just ages hours after I left Cuba :ph34r:
Are you still floating on your truck tyre?
Viva la revolution!
Quote from: derspiess on November 26, 2016, 01:40:20 AM
Best month ever.
Oh, I'm sure there's a still time for an HIV epidemic or something to round out your month.
RIP Fidel.
Talk about making one's mark on the world, one of those few people for whom just the mention of his Christian name, means a sizeable share of the world's adult population will know who it is.
:(. One of the greatest leaders of our times.
"Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me"
ps...those of you celebrating. When I ddi same for that thatcher woman, this forum shat upon me.
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
:(. One of the greatest leaders of our times.
"Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me"
ps...those of you celebrating. When I ddi same for that thatcher woman, this forum shat upon me.
We can't help it if you have bad taste.
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
:(. One of the greatest leaders of our times.
"Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me"
ps...those of you celebrating. When I ddi same for that thatcher woman, this forum shat upon me.
:console:
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
ps...those of you celebrating. When I ddi same for that thatcher woman, this forum shat upon me.
:zipped:
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
:(. One of the greatest leaders of our times.
"Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me"
And one of the greatest failures of US foreign policy during the Cold War.
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Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
:(. One of the greatest leaders of our times.
:wacko:
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Smoking in coach on a NYC-Havana flight. So beautiful. We have truly lost our way. :(
Well he has been functionally politically dead for a long time now. Amazing that his life ended like this when you think about it. So well done I guess.
So anyway his actual death doesn't impact much. RIP asshole dictator dude.
Aww, Seedy has a sad :( :(
Quote from: Valmy on November 26, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 26, 2016, 01:40:20 AM
Best month ever.
But your candidate lost :(
Hillary lost, the Clinton Machine is dead, and a bunch of people lost their shit over it. I'll take he hit.
Quote from: mongers on November 26, 2016, 08:31:46 AM
RIP Fidel.
Talk about making one's mark on the world, one of those few people for whom just the mention of his Christian name, means a sizeable share of the world's adult population will know who it is.
Same goes for Adolph. Not sure how that's an accomplishment.
Frankly, I am disgusted by the apparent ambiguity of some people here when it comes to Castro.
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
ps...those of you celebrating. When I ddi same for that thatcher woman, this forum shat upon me.
I hope you are trolling. Because you would need to be insane to seriously compare the two.
Quote from: derspiess on November 26, 2016, 12:22:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 26, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 26, 2016, 01:40:20 AM
Best month ever.
But your candidate lost :(
Hillary lost, the Clinton Machine is dead, and a bunch of people lost their shit over it. I'll take he hit.
I was joking :P
Anyway the machine will be replaced by far leftists who will eventually seize power so...yeah!
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 12:24:21 PM
Frankly, I am disgusted by the apparent ambiguity of some people here when it comes to Castro.
Says the fag that supports fag haters.
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
ps...those of you celebrating. When I ddi same for that thatcher woman, this forum shat upon me.
I hope you are trolling. Because you would need to be insane to seriously compare the two.
He has stated his love for Cuba multiple times.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 26, 2016, 12:28:03 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 12:24:21 PM
Frankly, I am disgusted by the apparent ambiguity of some people here when it comes to Castro.
Says the fag that supports fag haters.
I bet he's disgusted at what he has become too. -_-
Languish would've been interesting when Che got killed.
And just imagine how many yuks the Trotsky hit in Mexico City would've been.
Quote from: derspiess on November 26, 2016, 01:47:30 PM
Languish would've been interesting when Che got killed.
It's funny how people who never experienced communism seem to have a soft spot for it.
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 01:55:47 PM
It's funny how people who never experienced communism seem to have a soft spot for it.
Says the fag that supports fag haters.
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
ps...those of you celebrating. When I ddi same for that thatcher woman, this forum shat upon me.
I hope you are trolling. Because you would need to be insane to seriously compare the two.
I'm not. One was a failed leader who brought poverty to thousands of people. The other was the president of Cuba.
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 02:34:48 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
ps...those of you celebrating. When I ddi same for that thatcher woman, this forum shat upon me.
I hope you are trolling. Because you would need to be insane to seriously compare the two.
I'm not. One was a failed leader who brought poverty to thousands of people. The other was the president of Cuba.
One was leader of a country that is prosperous today. The other was the president of Cuba.
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 02:34:48 PM
I'm not. One was a failed leader who brought poverty to thousands of people. The other was the president of Cuba.
Of all the comparisons to focus on, you choose *poverty*?? People earn $20 a month in the workers' paradise. Castro bought poverty to millions. Thatcher stopped giving miners other people's money.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 26, 2016, 04:12:17 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 02:34:48 PM
I'm not. One was a failed leader who brought poverty to thousands of people. The other was the president of Cuba.
Of all the comparisons to focus on, you choose *poverty*?? People earn $20 a month in the workers' paradise. Castro bought poverty to millions. Thatcher stopped giving miners other people's money.
He's a left-wing fool. Of course he hates a democratically elected conservative who modernized the country's economy, and loves a repressive communist dictatorship.
Two political figures on Castro's death:
QuoteToday, the world marks the passing of a brutal dictator who oppressed his own people for nearly six decades. Fidel Castro's legacy is one of firing squads, theft, unimaginable suffering, poverty and the denial of fundamental human rights.
While Cuba remains a totalitarian island, it is my hope that today marks a move away from the horrors endured for too long, and toward a future in which the wonderful Cuban people finally live in the freedom they so richly deserve.
QuoteWe know that this moment fills Cubans — in Cuba and in the United States — with powerful emotions, recalling the countless ways in which Fidel Castro altered the course of individual lives, families, and of the Cuban nation.
History will record and judge the enormous impact of this singular figure on the people and world around him.
I don't think this needs any comment.
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.
Quote from: derspiess on November 26, 2016, 12:22:12 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 26, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 26, 2016, 01:40:20 AM
Best month ever.
But your candidate lost :(
Hillary lost, the Clinton Machine is dead, and a bunch of people lost their shit over it. I'll take he hit.
Your boy Putin won, so good on you.
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More disgusting ambivalent shit.
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 02:34:48 PM
I'm not. One was a failed leader who brought poverty to thousands of people. The other was the murderous president of Cuba a thoroughly repellent police state.
Fixed that for you, though I acknowledge that it is likelier that you know, and therefor sympathize more with, people who lost their jobs because of Thatcher than people who lost their lives because of Castro.
Trudeau and Juncker do not disappoint, proving themselves to be disgusting pieces of shit:
http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/26/five-worst-responses-fidel-castro-death
Can Carter die already?
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/26/jimmy-carter-mourns-castros-death-praises-dictator-for-his-love-of-his-country/
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Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.
:jaron:
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.
no one cares.
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 05:19:15 PM
Can Carter die already?
He's doing God's work. What are you waiting for, AIDS bucket?
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 05:19:15 PM
Can Carter die already?
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/26/jimmy-carter-mourns-castros-death-praises-dictator-for-his-love-of-his-country/
Carter made you free by running guns to Osama, tho.
Quote from: garbon on November 26, 2016, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.
:jaron:
I think his browser auto-complete has gone wrong or something, so his facebook reposts/likes are being posted here and his Languish posts are appearing on facebook.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on November 26, 2016, 06:04:58 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 05:19:15 PM
Can Carter die already?
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/26/jimmy-carter-mourns-castros-death-praises-dictator-for-his-love-of-his-country/
Carter made you free by running guns to Osama, tho.
I had no idea he had a more exciting career as ex-president than just helping to build houses. Smuggling guns to terrorists certainly made the time pass more quickly!
Quote from: grumbler on November 26, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
I had no idea he had a more exciting career as ex-president than just helping to build houses. Smuggling guns to terrorists certainly made the time pass more quickly!
That's Navy for you. Always working angles. #HabitatforBaseCops
Quote from: garbon on November 26, 2016, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.
:jaron:
Is he seriously coming down on guys who failed to criticize a dictatorship?
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 05:05:10 PM
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More disgusting ambivalent shit.
Many people and organizations love oppression.
He gave Cuba back to the people so much that some of them had to be shot in order to make sure they appreciated it enough.
The moral bankruptcy of many on the Right was made obvious with the support for Trump and his lackeys, the sycophancy that made it seem as if he was somehow acceptable in comparison to Hillary.
Now, many on the Left are choosing to show that they, too, have nothing approaching true principles--all that matters is that their side occasionally gets a "victory".
Say what you will about Fidel, but Donald Trump would not be elected president in Castro's Cuba.
:D
Former commies are always the hardest on the dictators when they die. My Romanian coworkers are having a good day with this news.
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.
Powerful emotions, singular figure, history will judge... those are all true. :huh:
Quote from: Josephus on November 26, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
ps...those of you celebrating. When I ddi same for that thatcher woman, this forum shat upon me.
Ain't democracy a bitch.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on November 26, 2016, 11:20:14 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.
Powerful emotions, singular figure, history will judge... those are all true. :huh:
Rationality disgusts and shames Marti.
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be disgusted and ashamed if I had been one of those who argued to let Marti come back from his ban. :lol:
Quote from: katmai on November 26, 2016, 05:43:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.
no one cares.
Right? Because I know we all wait with bated breath about what Martinus thinks about any current events.
I for one rush to Languish as soon as a tsunami hits or a terrorist attack happens to find out what Martinus' take on it is.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 26, 2016, 10:55:03 PM
Former commies are always the hardest on the dictators when they die. My Romanian coworkers are having a good day with this news.
That's like calling Holocaust survivors "former nazis" and saying that they are always the hardest on Adolph Hitler. You are a goof.
I am encouraged.
After the election of Trump, I think it was easy to forget that the right does NOT have any kind of monopoly on stupid.
The death of Castro has done a nice job reminding us of that.
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2016, 10:49:02 AM
I am encouraged.
After the election of Trump, I think it was easy to forget that the right does NOT have any kind of monopoly on stupid.
The death of Castro has done a nice job reminding us of that.
Encouraged?
I know a number of Africans who have a pretty high opinion of Castro. From their pov Castro was instrumental in helping various African countries gain independence in the face of colonialism.
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
I know a number of Africans who have a pretty high opinion of Castro. From their pov Castro was instrumental in helping various African countries gain independence in the face of colonialism.
Pfft, they're just Africans, they don't count. :rolleyes:
What we need to do is appreciate everything US business interests and the US government did for the Cuban people without batting an eye for decades. #MakeUnitedFruitCompanyStrongAgain
I did not realize Trudeau was such a piece of shit. Until his statement re: Castro.
Imho yeah, Fidel Castro brought many good things to Cuba. He also brought shitloads of bad things that weren't all that necessary in order to bring the good ones. You don't need to become a repressive dictator for nearly 60 years in order to improve education and healthcare, and kick out the mob and its cronies.
I wish my leftie comrades were able to call a spade a spade.
I have heard that Cuba pre-Castro had better doctor-per-capita numbers etc than neighboring countries, anyone know a good source about this stuff?
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
I know a number of Africans who have a pretty high opinion of Castro. From their pov Castro was instrumental in helping various African countries gain independence in the face of colonialism.
Wold Europe have held on otherwise?
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2016, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
I know a number of Africans who have a pretty high opinion of Castro. From their pov Castro was instrumental in helping various African countries gain independence in the face of colonialism.
Wold Europe have held on otherwise?
IKK-land was pretty tenacious.
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
I know a number of Africans who have a pretty high opinion of Castro. From their pov Castro was instrumental in helping various African countries gain independence in the face of colonialism.
This is puzzling. Castro sent troops to Zaire to fight other Africans, not colonial overlords.
Quote from: The Brain on November 27, 2016, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2016, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
I know a number of Africans who have a pretty high opinion of Castro. From their pov Castro was instrumental in helping various African countries gain independence in the face of colonialism.
Wold Europe have held on otherwise?
IKK-land was pretty tenacious.
Well, yes but the major Cuban intervention in Angola was after the independence, Pedro Rodriguez Peralta in Bissau-Guinea notwithstanding, so colour me skeptical.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on November 27, 2016, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: The Brain on November 27, 2016, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2016, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
I know a number of Africans who have a pretty high opinion of Castro. From their pov Castro was instrumental in helping various African countries gain independence in the face of colonialism.
Wold Europe have held on otherwise?
IKK-land was pretty tenacious.
Well, yes but the major Cuban intervention in Angola was after the independence, Pedro Rodriguez Peralta in Bissau-Guinea notwithstanding, so colour me skeptical.
I know little about Bizarro-Guinea, but sure, withdrawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Cuba
Most of this looks pretty bad.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 27, 2016, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
I know a number of Africans who have a pretty high opinion of Castro. From their pov Castro was instrumental in helping various African countries gain independence in the face of colonialism.
This is puzzling. Castro sent troops to Zaire to fight other Africans, not colonial overlords.
I think - because this wasn't an in depth conversation - that it was not just about military intervention but also actions like sending doctors and nurses to Africa. But standing against Apartheid before that was fashionable in the West probably scores the man a few points from an African POV.
A couple of brief articles on the African perspective:
http://qz.com/846337/cuban-leader-fidel-castro-was-a-liberation-icon-in-africa-and-remained-committed-to-the-continent/
http://www.africanews.com/2016/11/26/fidel-castro-s-efforts-at-liberating-africa/
Well Africa hasn't always looked for leadership in the right places.
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
http://qz.com/846337/cuban-leader-fidel-castro-was-a-liberation-icon-in-africa-and-remained-committed-to-the-continent/
This one is odd. Title is that Africa is not conflicted about him but then the article cites Somalians who hate him...
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
blah blah blah pinko commie nonsense that Languish doesn't agree with blah blah blah
There's a distinct difference between liberal internationalism and socialist/proletarian internationalism; and, as one is acknowledged as legitimate and the other is not, the results of Cuban internationalism really means that it
never really existed in the first place.
Who knew that Seeds had a hard-on for Castro?
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
Who knew that Seeds had a hard-on for Castro?
<raises hand>
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
Who knew that Seeds had a hard-on for Castro?
He could've been our son of a bitch, but we blew it.
Honecker sent troops to Angola. Do Africans think he's a great guy as well?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2016, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
Who knew that Seeds had a hard-on for Castro?
He could've been our son of a bitch, but we blew it.
We've had more than enough with adding him in.
Quote from: derspiess on November 27, 2016, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2016, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
Who knew that Seeds had a hard-on for Castro?
He could've been our son of a bitch, but we blew it.
Cute.
Go back to handing out wire hangers outside public schools with Sex Ed classes, fuckstick.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2016, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
Who knew that Seeds had a hard-on for Castro?
He could've been our son of a bitch, but we blew it.
We blew it by not making them a territory/state after the S-A War.
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 27, 2016, 05:35:15 PM
We blew it by not making them a territory/state after the S-A War.
What with Puerto Rico being such a boon.
We probably wouldn't be losing to Japan in the World Baseball Classic (tm).
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2016, 05:36:41 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 27, 2016, 05:35:15 PM
We blew it by not making them a territory/state after the S-A War.
What with Puerto Rico being such a boon.
At least PR never became a Soviet client state. Not that that woud be a bad thing in your mind.
Quote from: derspiess on November 27, 2016, 05:48:55 PM
At least PR never became a Soviet client state. Not that that woud be a bad thing in your mind.
Yes, what a lesser America we would have been, were it not for oversized spoilers on VTEC low riders.
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Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2016, 05:25:45 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
Who knew that Seeds had a hard-on for Castro?
<raises hand>
Yeah, this isn't new. Seedy went hard-left after the 2008 election. Up till then, he'd been a John McCain Republican. After that he became a Castro fan-boy.
Quote from: dps on November 27, 2016, 06:22:07 PM
Yeah, this isn't new. Seedy went hard-left after the 2008 election. Up till then, he'd been a John McCain Republican. After that he became a Castro fan-boy.
Eat me, Deplorable.
Quote from: derspiess on November 27, 2016, 05:27:33 PM
Honecker sent troops to Angola. Do Africans think he's a great guy as well?
I dunno. You'd have to find some and ask them :)
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 06:28:54 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 27, 2016, 05:27:33 PM
Honecker sent troops to Angola. Do Africans think he's a great guy as well?
I dunno. You'd have to find some and ask them :)
lol
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2016, 06:23:59 PM
Quote from: dps on November 27, 2016, 06:22:07 PM
Yeah, this isn't new. Seedy went hard-left after the 2008 election. Up till then, he'd been a John McCain Republican. After that he became a Castro fan-boy.
Eat me, Deplorable.
Meh, I was an "Anyone but Trump" voter, both in the primary and in the general. I get no particular pleasure in you hitching yourself to the wrong cart in both 2008 and 2016, 'cause I didn't back the winner in either year, either. And Castro's death doesn't make me happy--what's the point in cheering his demise now, when he turned Cuba over to his brother 8 years ago? It was never about (or should have never been about) his death anyway, it was about ending the commie regime--which still hasn't happened.
Quote from: dps on November 27, 2016, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2016, 06:23:59 PM
Quote from: dps on November 27, 2016, 06:22:07 PM
Yeah, this isn't new. Seedy went hard-left after the 2008 election. Up till then, he'd been a John McCain Republican. After that he became a Castro fan-boy.
Eat me, Deplorable.
Meh, I was an "Anyone but Trump" voter, both in the primary and in the general. I get no particular pleasure in you hitching yourself to the wrong cart in both 2008 and 2016, 'cause I didn't back the winner in either year, either. And Castro's death doesn't make me happy--what's the point in cheering his demise now, when he turned Cuba over to his brother 8 years ago? It was never about (or should have never been about) his death anyway, it was about ending the commie regime--which still hasn't happened.
I don't give a fuck. I told you to eat me because you accused me of becoming a Castro fan-boy after the 2008 election. I had been a Castro fan-boy much earlier than that.
I hope Marti comes and rages at you.
One would think he would have his own problems to worry about.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2016, 06:39:32 PM
I don't give a fuck. I told you to eat me because you accused me of becoming a Castro fan-boy after the 2008 election. I had been a Castro fan-boy much earlier than that.
I can vouch for this. As odd as it sounds, Seedy was a Castro fanboy well before he adopted his Red Seedy schtick.
Quote from: derspiess on November 27, 2016, 07:02:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2016, 06:39:32 PM
I don't give a fuck. I told you to eat me because you accused me of becoming a Castro fan-boy after the 2008 election. I had been a Castro fan-boy much earlier than that.
I can vouch for this. As odd as it sounds, Seedy was a Castro fanboy well before he adopted his Red Seedy schtick.
I don't recall him being that way before the 2008 election, but I'll take your and Seedy's word on it.
I can see it. Castro's left-wing machismo is a vanishingly rare trait today. I'd call it Hemingwayesque, except that Castro appropriated his house.
I don't remember CDM making a left turn at any point since 2003.
Quote from: derspiess on November 27, 2016, 07:02:44 PM
I can vouch for this. As odd as it sounds, Seedy was a Castro fanboy well before he adopted his Red Seedy schtick.
I was indoctrinated by the most insidious of leftist machinations by, you know, majoring in it.
#YouMeanL'InternationaleRelations
No excuse. That was also my major :contract:
Quote from: derspiess on November 27, 2016, 08:07:14 PM
No excuse. That was also my major :contract:
You also have a well-known Latina fetish, so don't be projecting your lack of access to the Cuban ass market with Johnny Ola on
El Caballo; blame your own government.
I never nailed a spic chick. :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 27, 2016, 08:30:32 PM
I never nailed a spic chick. :(
Me neither. From what I understand,
alto mantenimiento.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2016, 06:39:32 PM
Quote from: dps on November 27, 2016, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 27, 2016, 06:23:59 PM
Quote from: dps on November 27, 2016, 06:22:07 PM
Yeah, this isn't new. Seedy went hard-left after the 2008 election. Up till then, he'd been a John McCain Republican. After that he became a Castro fan-boy.
Eat me, Deplorable.
Meh, I was an "Anyone but Trump" voter, both in the primary and in the general. I get no particular pleasure in you hitching yourself to the wrong cart in both 2008 and 2016, 'cause I didn't back the winner in either year, either. And Castro's death doesn't make me happy--what's the point in cheering his demise now, when he turned Cuba over to his brother 8 years ago? It was never about (or should have never been about) his death anyway, it was about ending the commie regime--which still hasn't happened.
I don't give a fuck. I told you to eat me because you accused me of becoming a Castro fan-boy after the 2008 election. I had been a Castro fan-boy much earlier than that.
Yeah. You're a RATM fan FFS.
CdM is just supporting any socialist because socialised healthcare is the only chance he gets to save his liver after years of alcohol abuse and no meaningful employment. The thing is, under President Donald J. Trump it ain't gonna happen.
Why are we talking about "Africans" anyways? I could make a statement that "Europeans" follow Viktor Orban religiously, and it would not be incorrect, but still would be a brush too wide to paint with.
Quote from: The Brain on November 27, 2016, 04:47:30 PM
I know little about Bizarro-Guinea, but sure, withdrawn.
It's always been a shit hole border belt, not worth holding and fighting for, and the war went bad there for the Portuguese pretty quickly though there was a substantial recovery until SA-7s started to equip the guerrillas in 1973.
Quote from: Tamas on November 28, 2016, 04:49:10 AM
Why are we talking about "Africans" anyways? I could make a statement that "Europeans" follow Viktor Orban religiously, and it would not be incorrect, but still would be a brush too wide to paint with.
Because, Jacob wanted to find something positive to say about Castro?
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2016, 03:31:27 AM
CdM is just supporting any socialist because socialised healthcare is the only chance he gets to save his liver after years of alcohol abuse and no meaningful employment. The thing is, under President Donald J. Trump it ain't gonna happen.
Save my liver after years of alcohol abuse? Stop confusing us American posters, you walking Karposi Sarcoma. Your yeast infection is going to your brain again.
Two hashtags trending in light of the leftist morons mourning Castro:
#notmydictator
#trudeaueulogies
:lol:
On the latter:
QuoteOsama Bin Laden was certainly a controversial figure, but his contribution to airport security is unparalleled
QuoteAgainst all odds, Charles Manson not only kept his family together, he made sure they achieved most of their squad goals
QuoteLet us remember Jack the Ripper as a great benefactor who worked tirelessly to get female prostitutes off the streets.
QuoteWe mourn Joseph Stalin's death. A strong national leader and visionary in the cause of population control
QuoteToday we mourn the death of Jeffrey Dahmer, who opened his home to the LGBTQ community and pushed culinary boundaries
QuoteToday we mourn painter, vegetarian and animal rights activist, Adolf Hitler. His death also highlights the need for suicide awareness
Also, this picture being posted around. Is this really a quote from him, and if so, could any Canuck explain in what context it was used? :huh:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyOva20WIAA73PH.jpg)
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2016, 07:50:58 AM
in what context it was used? :huh:
The context is that Canadians are super weenies.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on November 28, 2016, 07:58:04 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2016, 07:50:58 AM
in what context it was used? :huh:
The context is that Canadians are super weenies.
Yeah but to that degree? By the way, why the hell so many Americans seem to have a boner for Canada. It seems like an utterly shitty country. It's like an English speaking Belgium.
Trudeau does kind of look a little like Castro :hmm:
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 08:50:12 AM
Trudeau does kind of look a little like Castro :hmm:
Maybe his mother was fucked by Castro? I mean Trudeau senior was a kind and sensitive person so...
Canada isn't complete shit. They produce uranium.
Quote from: Jacob on November 27, 2016, 05:12:05 PM
But standing against Apartheid before that was fashionable in the West probably scores the man a few points from an African POV.
he did it to piss off the US and UK. Had the position been reversed, he would have supported the government.
Quote from: dps on November 27, 2016, 06:33:49 PM
It was never about (or should have never been about) his death anyway, it was about ending the commie regime--which still hasn't happened.
In all honesty, and despite what we may have thought, it seems Raul is intent on gradually modernizing the country and liberalizing the economy one small step at a time.
Might be better that way. We should sit and watch. As much as dictators goes, there are many much worst.
and besides, criticizing Cuba while keeping our mouth shut about Saudi Arabia is a tad silly, if our goal is to bring democracy everywhere.
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2016, 07:50:58 AM
Also, this picture being posted around. Is this really a quote from him, and if so, could any Canuck explain in what context it was used? :huh:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyOva20WIAA73PH.jpg)
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/toula-foscolos/barbaric-cultural-practices_b_6115832.html
Trudeau voted for this bill.
But then during the campaign, the Conservatives decided to go one step further and create a hotline for barbaric cultural practices. It was a step too far, but then Justin decided to play the racism card and started pandering to the extremists who could get the vote out and denounced the hotline and the bill. No journalists pointed the fact that he did vote for it though, but that was expected.
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2016, 08:07:18 AM
why the hell so many Americans seem to have a boner for Canada.
it's not America and it's closer than Europe.
Quote from: dps on November 27, 2016, 06:22:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on November 27, 2016, 05:25:45 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 27, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
Who knew that Seeds had a hard-on for Castro?
<raises hand>
Yeah, this isn't new. Seedy went hard-left after the 2008 election. Up till then, he'd been a John McCain Republican. After that he became a Castro fan-boy.
2008? Huh. Thought he was a Castro fan long before that.
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2016, 09:25:44 AM
and besides, criticizing Cuba while keeping our mouth shut about Saudi Arabia is a tad silly, if our goal is to bring democracy everywhere.
Hey I am fine with criticizing whomever. I just don't think it makes much sense to have our foreign relations dictated by other countries internal policies, no matter how shitty. The reason we had the embargo of Cuba was because they were a Soviet ally and kept sending guerrilla soldiers abroad. Since they are no longer a Soviet ally nor are they sending soldiers abroad anymore I don't think there is much point continuing with the embargo.
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2016, 09:25:44 AM
and besides, criticizing Cuba while keeping our mouth shut about Saudi Arabia is a tad silly, if our goal is to bring democracy everywhere.
Who is doing that?
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 10:25:25 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2016, 09:25:44 AM
and besides, criticizing Cuba while keeping our mouth shut about Saudi Arabia is a tad silly, if our goal is to bring democracy everywhere.
Hey I am fine with criticizing whomever. I just don't think it makes much sense to have our foreign relations dictated by other countries internal policies, no matter how shitty. The reason we had the embargo of Cuba was because they were a Soviet ally and kept sending guerrilla soldiers abroad. Since they are no longer a Soviet ally nor are they sending soldiers abroad anymore I don't think there is much point continuing with the embargo.
bad choice of word. I agree with you.
Quote from: garbon on November 28, 2016, 05:36:47 AM
Quote from: Tamas on November 28, 2016, 04:49:10 AM
Why are we talking about "Africans" anyways? I could make a statement that "Europeans" follow Viktor Orban religiously, and it would not be incorrect, but still would be a brush too wide to paint with.
Because, Jacob wanted to find something positive to say about Castro?
Because Africa was the framing used in the conversation I was relaying.
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2016, 03:31:27 AM
CdM is just supporting any socialist because socialised healthcare is the only chance he gets to save his liver after years of alcohol abuse and no meaningful employment. The thing is, under President Donald J. Trump it ain't gonna happen.
You're being a dick again. Take a break.
:cheers:
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2016, 09:37:47 AM
But then during the campaign, the Conservatives decided to go one step further and create a hotline for barbaric cultural practices. It was a step too far, but then Justin decided to play the racism card and started pandering to the extremists who could get the vote out and denounced the hotline and the bill. No journalists pointed the fact that he did vote for it though, but that was expected.
SO bottom line is that the quote is false?
:)
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 28, 2016, 11:55:54 AM
SO bottom line is that the quote is false?
It's such a false quote, Trudeau retracted it and apologized for it :P
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-retracts-barbaric-remarks-1.985386
https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/802639997509595136
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2016, 09:25:44 AM
and besides, criticizing Cuba while keeping our mouth shut about Saudi Arabia is a tad silly, if our goal is to bring democracy everywhere.
Then stop doing it. Problem solved.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15230596_1272046499534132_3667149937123633775_n.jpg?oh=ce6eeeb4c46077e921d5e45423316030&oe=58B827E8)
:weep:
grumbler is still pissy he lost his timeshare at the Capri in '59.
Quote from: grumbler on November 28, 2016, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2016, 09:25:44 AM
and besides, criticizing Cuba while keeping our mouth shut about Saudi Arabia is a tad silly, if our goal is to bring democracy everywhere.
Then stop doing it. Problem solved.
Yeah for sure.
The exciting Candadian context of the comparison is that the people throwing fits over Trudeau's statements of condolence re: Castro didn't say anything when Harper offered condolences and spend money on a delegation re: King Abdullah when he passed.
Personally I think the whole thing is a bit silly. I'm fine with our prime ministers offering condolences when leaders and elder statesmen of nations with whom we have friendly relations die - which includes both Cuba and Saudi Arabia.
Quote from: Maladict on November 28, 2016, 12:13:03 PM
https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/802639997509595136
Ouch.
When in Rome.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 28, 2016, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2016, 09:37:47 AM
But then during the campaign, the Conservatives decided to go one step further and create a hotline for barbaric cultural practices. It was a step too far, but then Justin decided to play the racism card and started pandering to the extremists who could get the vote out and denounced the hotline and the bill. No journalists pointed the fact that he did vote for it though, but that was expected.
SO bottom line is that the quote is false?
Truth is a matter of perspective, apparently. I'd say it's not untrue. ;)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-retracts-barbaric-remarks-1.985386
He had a problem calling this practice and others barbaric.
If Cuba is unwilling to make a better deal for the Cuban people, the Cuban/American people and the U.S. as a whole, I will terminate deal.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803237535178772481
Quote from: Phillip V on November 28, 2016, 02:20:27 PM
If Cuba is unwilling to make a better deal for the Cuban people, the Cuban/American people and the U.S. as a whole, I will terminate deal.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803237535178772481
What deal is he going to terminate? The Guantanamo base lease?
Quote from: celedhring on November 27, 2016, 03:33:31 PM
Imho yeah, Fidel Castro brought many good things to Cuba. He also brought shitloads of bad things that weren't all that necessary in order to bring the good ones. You don't need to become a repressive dictator for nearly 60 years in order to improve education and healthcare, and kick out the mob and its cronies.
I wish my leftie comrades were able to call a spade a spade.
The USA has yet to do any of that
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2016, 01:23:55 PM
Truth is a matter of perspective, apparently. I'd say it's not untrue. ;)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-retracts-barbaric-remarks-1.985386
He had a problem calling this practice and others barbaric.
So it's a lie.
If you put quotation marks around a statement, it means that person made that statement verbatim. That didn't happen, nothing close to that happened. It's false.
It's also very misleading, because Trudeau said that the acts in question could be called "barbaric" in ordinary parlance, but took issue with the use of the kind of emotive language in a governmental act. Accuse of him of being overly PC, or insensitive to victims, or obtuse, or not "saying it how it is" or any number of things. But it is a lie to put into his mouth words he never said, and ideas he didn't express.
Quote from: Josephus on November 28, 2016, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: celedhring on November 27, 2016, 03:33:31 PM
Imho yeah, Fidel Castro brought many good things to Cuba. He also brought shitloads of bad things that weren't all that necessary in order to bring the good ones. You don't need to become a repressive dictator for nearly 60 years in order to improve education and healthcare, and kick out the mob and its cronies.
I wish my leftie comrades were able to call a spade a spade.
The USA has yet to do any of that
We haven't? Because our government spends a shit ton of money on those things.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 28, 2016, 03:07:12 PM
So it's a lie.
If you put quotation marks around a statement, it means that person made that statement verbatim. That didn't happen, nothing close to that happened. It's false.
It's also very misleading, because Trudeau said that the acts in question could be called "barbaric" in ordinary parlance, but took issue with the use of the kind of emotive language in a governmental act. Accuse of him of being overly PC, or insensitive to victims, or obtuse, or not "saying it how it is" or any number of things. But it is a lie to put into his mouth words he never said, and ideas he didn't express.
I don't see how you know it's not a verbatim quote and I don't see how you can say he said nothing close to what was quoted. According to Veep's link he said calling hono
r killings barbaric was "objectionable." That's pretty damn close to saying "you shouldn't call honor killings barbaric."
Quote from: Josephus on November 28, 2016, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: celedhring on November 27, 2016, 03:33:31 PM
Imho yeah, Fidel Castro brought many good things to Cuba. He also brought shitloads of bad things that weren't all that necessary in order to bring the good ones. You don't need to become a repressive dictator for nearly 60 years in order to improve education and healthcare, and kick out the mob and its cronies.
I wish my leftie comrades were able to call a spade a spade.
The USA has yet to do any of that
Then no country ever has done that. So what? That truism doesn't detract from the point about the repressive dictatorship.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 28, 2016, 03:14:40 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 28, 2016, 03:07:12 PM
So it's a lie.
If you put quotation marks around a statement, it means that person made that statement verbatim. That didn't happen, nothing close to that happened. It's false.
It's also very misleading, because Trudeau said that the acts in question could be called "barbaric" in ordinary parlance, but took issue with the use of the kind of emotive language in a governmental act. Accuse of him of being overly PC, or insensitive to victims, or obtuse, or not "saying it how it is" or any number of things. But it is a lie to put into his mouth words he never said, and ideas he didn't express.
I don't see how you know it's not a verbatim quote and I don't see how you can say he said nothing close to what was quoted. According to Veep's link he said calling honor killings barbaric was "objectionable." That's pretty damn close to saying "you shouldn't call honor killings barbaric."
The point is that, when you quote someone, you have to quote them verbatim, or else you are lying when you imply that it is a quote, as in this case. Quotes that are "pretty damn close" are still lies. A lie doesn't become true because people think that it, while false, is probably close to true.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 28, 2016, 03:14:40 PM
I don't see how you know it's not a verbatim quote
Because he's not quoted as saying that. That's what verbatim quote means.
Quoteand I don't see how you can say he said nothing close to what was quoted. According to Veep's link he said calling honor killings barbaric was "objectionable." That's pretty damn close to saying "you shouldn't call honor killings barbaric."
No the article says that the a government publication should not use the word "barbaric". That's not the same thing. E.g.: In my opinion ISIS is a bunch of fucking scumbags. But I would also view it inappropriate for an official US government publication to use that phrase.
I also took the liberty of reading the Sun's story which contains a more complete and contextual version of his remarks:
Quote"There's nothing that the word 'barbaric' achieves that the words 'absolutely unacceptable' would not have achieved," Trudeau, the Liberal immigration critic, said.
"We accept that these acts are absolutely unacceptable. That's not the debate. In casual conversation, I'd even use the word barbaric to describe female circumcision, for example, but in an official Government of Canada publication, there needs to be a little bit of an attempt at responsible neutrality."
Trudeau is making a different point that the one that is being ascribed to him. Its a questionable point that can disagreed with but putting a false quote him is not honest disagreement and not engaging with his point, such as it was.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 28, 2016, 03:27:23 PM
Because he's not quoted as saying that. That's what verbatim quote means.
Thanks for the definition. How do you know he didn't say that?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 28, 2016, 03:31:09 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 28, 2016, 03:27:23 PM
Because he's not quoted as saying that. That's what verbatim quote means.
Thanks for the definition. How do you know he didn't say that?
He has the actual quote of what Trudeau said in the post immediately above yours.
Quote from: Jacob on November 28, 2016, 03:37:46 PM
He has the actual quote of what Trudeau said in the post immediately above yours.
Does the Sun article claim that what they reported is the sum total of Trudeau's statements about honor killing and barbarism? Did they provide a transcript of his speech?
I concede Joan's point about mischaracterising Trudeau's meaning, but I'm confused how he can know the misquote is a misquote, unless he's listened to every word Trudeau has ever said.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 28, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 28, 2016, 03:37:46 PM
He has the actual quote of what Trudeau said in the post immediately above yours.
Does the Sun article claim that what they reported is the sum total of Trudeau's statements about honor killing and barbarism? Did they provide a transcript of his speech?
I concede Joan's point about mischaracterising Trudeau's meaning, but I'm confused how he can know the misquote is a misquote, unless he's listened to every word Trudeau has ever said.
That is an interesting, and convenient, standard to take when it comes to deciding the veracity of a quote.
Yi is making a joke?
Quote from: Jacob on November 28, 2016, 03:54:16 PM
It's a pretty silly question, though.
What makes it silly Jacob?
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 03:08:27 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 03:07:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 01:11:09 PM
When in Rome.
:unsure: Yes, go on.
Having torture camps in Cuba.
:( Never mind.
Stay classy, Valmy :P
I think you completely misunderstand me. Or not.
I don't get the "classy" thing here.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 28, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 28, 2016, 03:37:46 PM
He has the actual quote of what Trudeau said in the post immediately above yours.
Does the Sun article claim that what they reported is the sum total of Trudeau's statements about honor killing and barbarism? Did they provide a transcript of his speech?
I concede Joan's point about mischaracterising Trudeau's meaning, but I'm confused how he can know the misquote is a misquote, unless he's listened to every word Trudeau has ever said.
I can only go by what I can see is reported. It happened five years ago, I wasn't there and I don't have a recording.
I can only assume if he used those exact words, it would have been newsworthy enough of mention.
Quote from: grumbler on November 28, 2016, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 28, 2016, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: celedhring on November 27, 2016, 03:33:31 PM
Imho yeah, Fidel Castro brought many good things to Cuba. He also brought shitloads of bad things that weren't all that necessary in order to bring the good ones. You don't need to become a repressive dictator for nearly 60 years in order to improve education and healthcare, and kick out the mob and its cronies.
I wish my leftie comrades were able to call a spade a spade.
The USA has yet to do any of that
Then no country ever has done that. So what? That truism doesn't detract from the point about the repressive dictatorship.
No country has ever improved education and healthcare?
The US has improved healthcare. Quite a bit. Not healthcare insurance maybe, but healthcare yes. And countries like Cuba have been able to free ride to a certain extent on those efforts.
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 04:06:45 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 03:08:27 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 03:07:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 01:11:09 PM
When in Rome.
:unsure: Yes, go on.
Having torture camps in Cuba.
:( Never mind.
Stay classy, Valmy :P
I think you completely misunderstand me. Or not.
I don't get the "classy" thing here.
Anchorman. Never mind!
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.
Your President is an international disgrace no matter what he says about Castro.
At least that is one thing we have in common with Poland now.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 28, 2016, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 26, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.
Your President is an international disgrace no matter what he says about Castro.
At least that is one thing we have in common with Poland now.
Squeeze that last bit of Obama hate out of the time that remains!
Go Joan! :punk:
Good riddance you dirty commie.
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 05:29:13 PM
Anchorman. Never mind!
I am the true international disgrace Spicey, even surpassing Obama, as I have never seen Anchorman. :weep:
Quote from: 11B4V on November 28, 2016, 07:30:10 PM
Good riddance you dirty commie.
If only JFK could have lived to see this moment.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment link=topic=14503.msg1039146#msg1039146
Trudeau is making a different point that the one that is being ascribed to him. Its a questionable point that can disagreed with but putting a false quote him is not honest disagreement and not engaging with his point, such as it was.
he made that point 24hrs after his first comments, once his advisers told him what t say and had him repeat it a few times. Same as with the Castro story.
I interpreted the image as a paraphrase of his position on the issue. If you look at his campaign platform and his actions as Prime Minister, he certainly goes out of his way to justify extreme religious practice in the name of cultural tolerance.
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 05:29:13 PM
Anchorman. Never mind!
I am the true international disgrace Spicey, even surpassing Obama, as I have never seen Anchorman. :weep:
you should, it's a verry silly and funny movie.
Los Angeles, go fuck yourself!
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 05:29:13 PM
Anchorman. Never mind!
I am the true international disgrace Spicey, even surpassing Obama, as I have never seen Anchorman. :weep:
I've only seen bits and pieces. So don't feel bad.
You aren't missing much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttiyAw4y4Ck
I think this might be the pre-"clarification" Trudeau soundbyte. "We don't want to upset the honor-killers and clit rippers."
In tracking this down I saw one article that mentioned how the official president of the United States has called ISIS barbaric in official statements.
Quote from: dps on November 28, 2016, 05:09:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on November 28, 2016, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 28, 2016, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: celedhring on November 27, 2016, 03:33:31 PM
Imho yeah, Fidel Castro brought many good things to Cuba. He also brought shitloads of bad things that weren't all that necessary in order to bring the good ones. You don't need to become a repressive dictator for nearly 60 years in order to improve education and healthcare, and kick out the mob and its cronies.
I wish my leftie comrades were able to call a spade a spade.
The USA has yet to do any of that
Then no country ever has done that. So what? That truism doesn't detract from the point about the repressive dictatorship.
No country has ever improved education and healthcare?
If the USA hasn't, then no, as I noted. Not that that is relevant to Castro's repressive dictatorship.
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 06:10:11 PM
Go Joan! :punk:
He deserves it not running for a third term and saving us from the horrors of the last election
Mr Con law prof had to be the one major national politician with scruples about following the Constitution
Castro
The Hitler comparisons are just silly it's what Godwins rule was made for
Franco is a more interesting comparison. There are still pro-Francoist strains even today on the fringes of the euro-right
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 28, 2016, 08:05:24 PM
In tracking this down I saw one article that mentioned how the official president of the United States has called ISIS barbaric in official statements.
Obama>Trudeau
No argument there
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
I am the true international disgrace Spicey, even surpassing Obama, as I have never seen Anchorman. :weep:
There are two funny scenes, the rest is bleh.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 28, 2016, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 28, 2016, 08:05:24 PM
In tracking this down I saw one article that mentioned how the official president of the United States has called ISIS barbaric in official statements.
Obama>Trudeau
No argument there
Ditto.
Quote from: frunk on November 28, 2016, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
I am the true international disgrace Spicey, even surpassing Obama, as I have never seen Anchorman. :weep:
There are two funny scenes, the rest is bleh.
The whole movie was gold.
Quote from: 11B4V on November 28, 2016, 07:51:54 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 05:29:13 PM
Anchorman. Never mind!
I am the true international disgrace Spicey, even surpassing Obama, as I have never seen Anchorman. :weep:
I've only seen bits and pieces. So don't feel bad.
Don't much care for Will Ferrell, so I haven't bothered.
You guys are weird. If it was Anime or a Game of Thrones episode you'd be all over it.
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 11:32:12 PM
You guys are weird. If it was Anime or a Game of Thrones episode you'd be all over it.
:yucky: and :yucky:
Cartoons and Fantasy Soap Operas.
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 11:32:12 PM
You guys are weird. If it was Anime or a Game of Thrones episode you'd be all over it.
Slander!
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2016, 08:51:34 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2016, 08:50:12 AM
Trudeau does kind of look a little like Castro :hmm:
Maybe his mother was fucked by Castro? I mean Trudeau senior was a kind and sensitive person so...
I guess it shouldn't be surprising that this is a lovely bit of conservative fake news, right now.
I saw Anchorman a couple months ago, and I thought it was awful. Laughed at the reporter showdown scene and that's about it.
I think Anchorman is funny but you have to be in the right mood for that kind of humor. In general, though, I don't care for Will Ferrell.
I find him mildly amusing in the correct dosages, but 95% of the humor in Anchorman fell totally flat on me, for some reason. And it's not particularly different to the rest of his work, it's just another variation of the egotist-macho-asshole character he always does.
Quote from: garbon on November 29, 2016, 04:19:13 AM
I think Anchorman is funny but you have to be in the right mood for that kind of humor. In general, though, I don't care for Will Ferrell.
Agreed on all points.
Quote from: celedhring on November 29, 2016, 04:25:48 AM
, it's just another variation of the egotist-macho-asshole character he always does.
You forgot "man-child". ;)
Quote from: Eddie Teach on November 29, 2016, 04:27:59 AM
Quote from: celedhring on November 29, 2016, 04:25:48 AM
, it's just another variation of the egotist-macho-asshole character he always does.
You forgot "man-child". ;)
Also "tacky". Too many hyphens already, though.
Quote from: frunk on November 28, 2016, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
I am the true international disgrace Spicey, even surpassing Obama, as I have never seen Anchorman. :weep:
There are two funny scenes, the rest is bleh.
Talladega nights was way funnier.
Doctor Quinn and Medicine Woman.