Fidel Castro Dead

[The Minsky Moment]

I don't see how you know it's not a verbatim quote

Because he's not quoted as saying that.  That's what verbatim quote means.

and I don't see how you can say he said nothing close to what was quoted.  According to Veep's link he said calling honor killings barbaric was "objectionable."  That's pretty damn close to saying "you shouldn't call honor killings barbaric."

No the article says that the a government publication should not use the word "barbaric".  That's not the same thing. E.g.: In my opinion ISIS is a bunch of fucking scumbags.  But I would also view it inappropriate for an official US government publication to use that phrase. 

I also took the liberty of reading the Sun's story which contains a more complete and contextual version of his remarks:

"There's nothing that the word 'barbaric' achieves that the words 'absolutely unacceptable' would not have achieved," Trudeau, the Liberal immigration critic, said.

"We accept that these acts are absolutely unacceptable. That's not the debate. In casual conversation, I'd even use the word barbaric to describe female circumcision, for example, but in an official Government of Canada publication, there needs to be a little bit of an attempt at responsible neutrality."

Trudeau is making a different point that the one that is being ascribed to him.  Its a questionable point that can disagreed with but putting a false quote him is not honest disagreement and not engaging with his point, such as it was.

[Admiral Yi]

Because he's not quoted as saying that.  That's what verbatim quote means.

Thanks for the definition.  How do you know he didn't say that?

[Jacob]

Because he's not quoted as saying that.  That's what verbatim quote means.

Thanks for the definition.  How do you know he didn't say that?

He has the actual quote of what Trudeau said in the post immediately above yours.

[Admiral Yi]

He has the actual quote of what Trudeau said in the post immediately above yours.

Does the Sun article claim that what they reported is the sum total of Trudeau's statements about honor killing and barbarism?  Did they provide a transcript of his speech?

I concede Joan's point about mischaracterising Trudeau's meaning, but I'm confused how he can know the misquote is a misquote, unless he's listened to every word Trudeau has ever said.

[Berkut]

He has the actual quote of what Trudeau said in the post immediately above yours.

Does the Sun article claim that what they reported is the sum total of Trudeau's statements about honor killing and barbarism?  Did they provide a transcript of his speech?

I concede Joan's point about mischaracterising Trudeau's meaning, but I'm confused how he can know the misquote is a misquote, unless he's listened to every word Trudeau has ever said.

That is an interesting, and convenient, standard to take when it comes to deciding the veracity of a quote.

[garbon]

Yi is making a joke?

[Admiral Yi]

Yi is making a joke?

Yi is asking a question.

[Jacob]

Yi is making a joke?

Yi is asking a question.

It's a pretty silly question, though.

[Admiral Yi]

It's a pretty silly question, though.

What makes it silly Jacob?

[Valmy]

When in Rome.

  Yes, go on.

Having torture camps in Cuba.

Never mind. 


Stay classy, Valmy

I think you completely misunderstand me. Or not.

I don't get the "classy" thing here.

[The Minsky Moment]

He has the actual quote of what Trudeau said in the post immediately above yours.

Does the Sun article claim that what they reported is the sum total of Trudeau's statements about honor killing and barbarism?  Did they provide a transcript of his speech?

I concede Joan's point about mischaracterising Trudeau's meaning, but I'm confused how he can know the misquote is a misquote, unless he's listened to every word Trudeau has ever said.

I can only go by what I can see is reported.  It happened five years ago, I wasn't there and I don't have a recording.
I can only assume if he used those exact words, it would have been newsworthy enough of mention.

[dps]

Imho yeah, Fidel Castro brought many good things to Cuba. He also brought shitloads of bad things that weren't all that necessary in order to bring the good ones. You don't need to become a repressive dictator for nearly 60 years in order to improve education and healthcare, and kick out the mob and its cronies.

I wish my leftie comrades were able to call a spade a spade.

The USA has yet to do any of that

Then no country ever has done that.  So what?  That truism doesn't detract from the point about the repressive dictatorship.

No country has ever improved education and healthcare?

[The Minsky Moment]

The US has improved healthcare.  Quite a bit.  Not healthcare insurance maybe, but healthcare yes.  And countries like Cuba have been able to free ride to a certain extent on those efforts.

[derspiess]

When in Rome.

  Yes, go on.

Having torture camps in Cuba.

Never mind. 


Stay classy, Valmy

I think you completely misunderstand me. Or not.

I don't get the "classy" thing here.

Anchorman. Never mind!

[The Minsky Moment]

For the record, in case anyone was wondering, I would be proud if my President said the first quote. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my President said the second.

Your President is an international disgrace no matter what he says about Castro.
At least that is one thing we have in common with Poland now.