Starting off with a long walk after the customary watching of the Vienna concert and ski jumping.
I'm planning to do more mountain biking in the new year. Last year before the road cycling season began I was only out once or twice. :(
I have already ruled out the Copenhagen Marathon in may.
I'll be lifting more this year, less regular Crossfit workouts.
Men's League basketball starts in a couple weeks. I am on a team made up of former college players. My main concern is whether I can play a full game while keeping up with my team mates. I have scrimmaged with them but I haven't played in a real game for a long time.
Getting back to brutal calisthenics and bike riding. Got my mostly vegan diet going and sorted, so it's time to kick up the activities.
I fail to reach most of my goals every year. But these are what I'm aiming for:
Running:
1. Run a marathon in the spring in a maximum of 4 hours. Real time target: 3:56 (a 9 min / mile pace). Stretch target: 3:47:33 (the slowest Olympic medaling time--granted it was in 1904 and run during the middle of summer in Saint Louis, but it is a realistic target for me).
2. Run a sub 50 minute 10k. This is a repeat goal for the past few years. I have been so very very close for about a year. I just need to do it.
Other Stuff
1. Be able to do 20 pull ups. I'm no where near this right now. I've got to start branching out my fitness routine beyond being so running centric.
2. Join and regularly show up to a climbing gym. One of my cousins is in this with me.
I'm trying to get ready for a marathon on March 22.
I just did a 14.4 mile run. Cardio and muscle wise I'm okay, but my left groin ached like a motherfucker during the second half of the run. It may explode before the marathon date, and I don't think I can take it easy as there are only 2 months to go and I still have to build up almost 12 more miles.
Generally on a long run I just run at a comfortable pace, which is about 8:40 a mile for me. But the second 7.2 mile leg of my run today my pace fell to 9:00 per mile, and the last mile was even worse.
At a minimum I want to run 9:00 / mile for the marathon, so suddenly I'm worried about my pace too.
The bottom line is that Ray Lewis would find a way to get it done, and I will too.
That's some speedy goal AR, but don't bust your groin (hip flexor?) just for one race, it's not worth it. Get some physio, do the ice and ibuprofen thing and maybe invest in a foam roller. I'm still suffering from struggling on with hip bursitis that came on while marathon training three years ago until it seized up altogether and sidelined me entirely. It's flared up again recently and I haven't run properly for about 6 months.
Taking two weeks out to heal now is more likely to get you round a marathon in a fit state that training through it. A lot of training programmes only take you up to 20 miles anyhow.
I've had a chest infection and the lingering after-affects that affect us weedy asthma sufferers for about three weeks now and I just can't hit it hard. I'm aiming to get to my goal weight (19lbs down) and a healthy body fat percentage by summer, and while I can't run I'm ramping up my swimming to 100 lengths by the end of February and adding in circuit-style resistance training.
I've started tracking my food seriously again and I'm 6lbs down from Christmas so far.
I wanna try the Iron Man in August. Will be trying for that.
Quote from: Brazen on January 20, 2014, 06:25:44 AM
That's some speedy goal AR, but don't bust your groin (hip flexor?) just for one race, it's not worth it. Get some physio, do the ice and ibuprofen thing and maybe invest in a foam roller. I'm still suffering from struggling on with hip bursitis that came on while marathon training three years ago until it seized up altogether and sidelined me entirely. It's flared up again recently and I haven't run properly for about 6 months.
Taking two weeks out to heal now is more likely to get you round a marathon in a fit state that training through it. A lot of training programmes only take you up to 20 miles anyhow.
I've had a chest infection and the lingering after-affects that affect us weedy asthma sufferers for about three weeks now and I just can't hit it hard. I'm aiming to get to my goal weight (19lbs down) and a healthy body fat percentage by summer, and while I can't run I'm ramping up my swimming to 100 lengths by the end of February and adding in circuit-style resistance training.
I've started tracking my food seriously again and I'm 6lbs down from Christmas so far.
Brazen, are you the only person here that has done a marathon?
I'm interested in your advice...last June I really hurt what I think was my left groin. A day or so after a run it would be very difficult to walk--I was basically hopping on one foot. I saw a trainer who recommended the rest, ice, ibuprofen thing. I basically took two months off from serious running. She thought I might have a touch of tendonitis.
It got better, but since then whenever I do a run I've felt the left groin injury. Not painfully, but I knew something was still there.
Starting last week, when I started back log runs again, it began to really hurt. Not like last June--I can walk with only a mild limp after a long run. But it really slows down my pace at the end and is quite uncomfortable.
I don't want to rest because it didn't fix the problem before. I also want to run the March 22 marathon because I know others in the race and if I miss this race I will have to fly somewhere and run alone. I also think my fitness is reasonably close to a marathon right now, and I want to do this just for the bucket list - 26.2 miles is more distance than I want to run consistently.
I think you should probably ease up on your speed requirement. But then I'd be ecstatic (and possibly near death) to run a single mile in 9 minutes.
I'm pretty sure there are other Languish marathon runners here who've finished in half my time!
If you've really got to do this one, investing in a few sports physio appointments would be well worth it. If there's long-term inflammation, ask about getting a cortisone injection in the joint to get you through training.
In training, if not in the race itself, think about walk/running your long runs so you're swapping between different motions. Friends do sub-4-hours marathons using Jeff Galloway's methods.
http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon-training/ (http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon-training/)
Run-walk-run ratio should correspond to the pace used (Runners).
8 min/mi—run 4 min/walk 35 seconds
9 min/mi— 4 min run-1 min walk
10 min/mi—-3:1
11 min/mi—2:30-1
12 min/mi—-2:1
13 min/mi—-1:1
14 min/mi—30 sec run/30 sec walk
15 min/mi—30 sec/45 sec
16 min/mi—30 sec/60 sec - See more at: http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon-training/#sthash.p3C8BLwK.dpuf
Thanks Brazen!
I think I will go see a doctor tomorrow, and also a trainer to see about some physio training.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 20, 2014, 10:15:37 AM
I think you should probably ease up on your speed requirement. But then I'd be ecstatic (and possibly near death) to run a single mile in 9 minutes.
With the caveat I don't know what is really going on, I don't think that the pace is what is doing me in. A comfortable long distance pace for me is ~8:40 a mile--normally I run a decent bit faster. I think what is causing my pace to fall is my groin, and I think that is breaking down because of the distance/repetitive use. Running slower may not help things (the run / walk option brazen mentioned is probably different because that would change my gait and may keep the groin from flaring up).
I'm on day four of trying out a low carb diet. I'm feeling a little better today - the past few days I've wanted to both kill everyone and eat full loaves of bread. -_-
Quote from: garbon on January 30, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
I'm on day four of trying out a low carb diet. I'm feeling a little better today - the past few days I've wanted to both kill everyone and eat full loaves of bread. -_-
Don't bother:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2546975/One-twin-gave-sugar-gave-fat-Their-experiment-change-YOUR-life.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2546975/One-twin-gave-sugar-gave-fat-Their-experiment-change-YOUR-life.html)
QuoteSo, what were our conclusions? If you want to lose weight it will be much easier if you avoid processed foods made with sugar and fat. These foods affect your brain in a completely different way from natural foods and it's hard for anyone to resist eating too much.
And any diet that eliminates fat or sugar will be unpalatable, hard to sustain and probably be bad for your health, too.
Daily Fail reported but BBC sponsored.
I haven't been trying this to lose weight/long-term but rather just to see if I could. I intend to bring back carbs by the Superbowl, at least. :D
Quote from: Brazen on January 30, 2014, 11:22:02 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 30, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
I'm on day four of trying out a low carb diet. I'm feeling a little better today - the past few days I've wanted to both kill everyone and eat full loaves of bread. -_-
Don't bother:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2546975/One-twin-gave-sugar-gave-fat-Their-experiment-change-YOUR-life.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2546975/One-twin-gave-sugar-gave-fat-Their-experiment-change-YOUR-life.html)
QuoteSo, what were our conclusions? If you want to lose weight it will be much easier if you avoid processed foods made with sugar and fat. These foods affect your brain in a completely different way from natural foods and it's hard for anyone to resist eating too much.
And any diet that eliminates fat or sugar will be unpalatable, hard to sustain and probably be bad for your health, too.
Daily Fail reported but BBC sponsored.
I watched that documentary yesterday, quite interesting.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 01, 2014, 10:12:47 AM
Men's League basketball starts in a couple weeks. I am on a team made up of former college players. My main concern is whether I can play a full game while keeping up with my team mates. I have scrimmaged with them but I haven't played in a real game for a long time.
League play started last week but I had to miss the opening games due to some lung issues. Going to play my first game tonight. If you hear a news story about some idiot with a lung disease keeling over while trying to relive the glory days that will be me.
I am alive!
We played a team of 20 somethings. I was by far the oldest guy on the court (the rest of my team was in their late 30s early 40s). I played against a 6'9'' guy who's eyes lit up when he saw I was guarding him and he told all his teammates to get him the ball. That is all it took to get the competitive juices going. I should have thanked him. We won by about 40.
AR, I would recommend to start a year+ of serious training for a target marathon, and that is after at least a couple of years of regular running. Also, train and race with a run/walk program, your target for your first marathon should be to finish the distance healthy (no matter how slow, it will be your PR). After you get the first one under your belt, you can start thinking about a faster one.
I've been running distance on and off since middle school. In 2007 and 2008 I ran a bunch of 5k, 10k and a couple of halfs. I decided to run the 2009 Disney marathon. I was regularly running a 10 mile long run every other week or so, so I thought 9 months hard training would be enough. I was wrong, my knees have been shot since. :glare: I should have trained longer and smarter, because now 5 years later, I still struggle with running, something I enjoy and miss. BTW, in 2008 I ran over 1k miles, and I built up to 22 mile long run in training, marathon was Jan 2009.
Did I finish it? Hell yeah, I walked 1 minute every mile, I was passing people all 26 miles and no one passed me after miles 20-22. Finished in 5:04, and it was a blast, great fun. :)
My knees hurt from just typing this. :(
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 04, 2014, 11:55:17 AMMy knees hurt from just typing this. :(
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Today all I'm doing is walking to the grocery store. Tomorrow is lift heavy things day
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 04, 2014, 11:55:17 AM
AR, I would recommend to start a year+ of serious training for a target marathon, and that is after at least a couple of years of regular running. Also, train and race with a run/walk program, your target for your first marathon should be to finish the distance healthy (no matter how slow, it will be your PR). After you get the first one under your belt, you can start thinking about a faster one.
I've been running distance on and off since middle school. In 2007 and 2008 I ran a bunch of 5k, 10k and a couple of halfs. I decided to run the 2009 Disney marathon. I was regularly running a 10 mile long run every other week or so, so I thought 9 months hard training would be enough. I was wrong, my knees have been shot since. :glare: I should have trained longer and smarter, because now 5 years later, I still struggle with running, something I enjoy and miss. BTW, in 2008 I ran over 1k miles, and I built up to 22 mile long run in training, marathon was Jan 2009.
Did I finish it? Hell yeah, I walked 1 minute every mile, I was passing people all 26 miles and no one passed me after miles 20-22. Finished in 5:04, and it was a blast, great fun. :)
My knees hurt from just typing this. :(
I've been running for a long time, ~7 years, and my long runs have been at ~9 miles since last June (though I've take some breaks when I was doing some holidays that included aggressive cardio and during holidays).
But the last few weeks haven't been good. I'm thinking the March 22 race was too aggressive. I felt like I was breaking down (and not just my groin). I'm going onto a 4 day a week plan to increase recovery time (I'll do cross training 2 of those days). I also need to watch my diet more and make sure I get rest at night.
I'm thinking a marathon at the beginning of May.
As an old fart, I trained with 3 runs a week (short fast one, a medium regular one, and a slow long one). Run/walk for anythig over 10 miles. It still was too much too soon for my knees, but I blame the Navy for that ;).
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Quote from: lustindarkness on February 04, 2014, 01:26:33 PM
As an old fart, I trained with 3 runs a week (short fast one, a medium regular one, and a slow long one). Run/walk for anythig over 10 miles. It still was too much too soon for my knees, but I blame the Navy for that ;).
I approve of this post.
My hip problem has eased up so I've started running again as run/walk intervals - 3 mins run, 2 mins walk. Going to enter a 5K or two then see how I'm fixed fo rlonger distances.
I've also started lifting heavy, something I've previously found boring and contrary to my goals, but it's really helping improve my fat to lean ratio, even if it makes the scale stall for a bit, and I'm hoping it will help prevent injury. Us middle aged ladies need some of that.
I'm hoping when I get to an "after" physique someone asks what I do and I say run, lift heavy, Zumba, circuit training, Tae Bo, stationary cycling, HIIT, bodyweight resistance, kettlebells, power walking, home workout DVDs...
After seeing my body weight increase these past months, I have decided to perform several sacrifices to the cruel gods of healthy living:
1) My addiction to carbonated drinks.
2) My addiction to greasy appetizers.
3) I shall also perform the ritual of running in circles for 45 minutes every other day, only to please their thirst for human suffering.
I hope those offerings please them, and reward me with a smaller waistline in the coming months.
I've been sewing patches on to my gi for the last three days. I can only do a few stitches at a time since I can't find my thimble. MAH THUMBS
So nice, he said it twice and then made me look like a doofus. -_-
Quote from: Caliga on February 18, 2014, 08:13:35 AM
I've been sewing patches on to my gi for the last three days. I can only do a few stitches at a time since I can't find my thimble. MAH THUMBS
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scifistore.com%2Fitems%2Fp%2Fgipa0000.jpg&hash=fac135b4223bf9ab899fffcedb1765fd90e8ea63) :unsure: :D
:lmfao:
Brazen, remember that if an adult touches you in a way or a place that makes you feel uncomfortable, you should get help from your parents or another trusted adult.
"Wow, thanks! Now I know what to do, Cal!"
...and knowing is half the battle!
GI-JOE!
As an update, I saw a trainer. I've been doing biking as an alternate exercise to running, and cut back running to 4 days a week. I've also been doing some work with resistance bands to strengthen my groin muscles, which I think is helping.
But I may be pushing too hard. I've tested my heartrate and I'm getting up to around 170-175 bpm, which is well over my target heartrate. I've missed some running sessions. Like today I was planning on doing 10-12 miles, but after 3 decided that it sucked and I was done for the day. I should probably slow down, but man that sucks. I'm hoping to make a marathon in May, but obviously I need to quit skipping or cutting runs short.
I ran a 5k today in 22:00. That is about a 7:05 min / mile pace, and I'm really happy with that. Probably my best race ever (I've never actually timed myself running a mile faster than 7:00).
The largest 10k in the world is run in Atlanta on July 4--60,000 run--this was a qualifier for that race and should put me in the A start group. My best start group before was D. I really wanted to get in the A start group at some point.
Quote from: Legbiter on February 04, 2014, 12:44:14 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 04, 2014, 11:55:17 AMMy knees hurt from just typing this. :(
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Today all I'm doing is walking to the grocery store. Tomorrow is lift heavy things day
You're a paleo caricature, man. :lol:
Getting the old bike ready for the new season, I'm looking at serious replacement parts costs.
Might be time to get a new bike... :hmm:
Picked up a used exercise bike on the cheap, got it parked in front of the tv.
Quote from: alfred russel on March 01, 2014, 07:33:49 PM
I ran a 5k today in 22:00. That is about a 7:05 min / mile pace, and I'm really happy with that. Probably my best race ever (I've never actually timed myself running a mile faster than 7:00).
Holy crap that's fast!
Just started running again after being sidelined with various injuries and, well, age. Had a lovely lunchtime trot through the park followed by a baby-wipe shower (our office if pretty primitive; at least I have the kind of colleagues who'd inform me if I stank!). Got a charity one-miler lined up follow by a 5K and 10K. Was delighted not to win a ballot I entered for a half-marathon place, think that kind of distance is beyond me now.
Quote from: Brazen on March 11, 2014, 08:52:49 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 01, 2014, 07:33:49 PM
I ran a 5k today in 22:00. That is about a 7:05 min / mile pace, and I'm really happy with that. Probably my best race ever (I've never actually timed myself running a mile faster than 7:00).
Holy crap that's fast!
Just started running again after being sidelined with various injuries and, well, age. Had a lovely lunchtime trot through the park followed by a baby-wipe shower (our office if pretty primitive; at least I have the kind of colleagues who'd inform me if I stank!). Got a charity one-miler lined up follow by a 5K and 10K. Was delighted not to win a ballot I entered for a half-marathon place, think that kind of distance is beyond me now.
Indeed, it's just proper, proper running; must feel good to do it, I haven't done that at that sort pace for like 20+ years. :(
Quote from: Maladict on March 10, 2014, 10:37:36 AM
Getting the old bike ready for the new season, I'm looking at serious replacement parts costs.
Might be time to get a new bike... :hmm:
+1.
Why not, I too am looking at building something new/somewhat different.
Also warn out the odd or two drive train, in all the mud and water this winter. <_<
Quote from: mongers on March 18, 2014, 09:09:52 PM
Indeed, it's just proper, proper running; must feel good to do it, I haven't done that at that sort pace for like 20+ years. :(
Thanks; it was a weird race...I've been training for a marathon, so I haven't run less than 6 miles in a long time. I really had no idea how to pace myself for a 5k--all of my runs are over 8 min / mile --some by a good distance. Basically the gun went and my strategy was to just run fast. At about the two mile mark I thought I might not finish, but I held on (through some cramping). It was a really fast track--2 flat miles followed by a 3rd downhill.
I lost 10 pounds. God knows where.
Quote from: alfred russel on March 18, 2014, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 18, 2014, 09:09:52 PM
Indeed, it's just proper, proper running; must feel good to do it, I haven't done that at that sort pace for like 20+ years. :(
Thanks; it was a weird race...I've been training for a marathon, so I haven't run less than 6 miles in a long time. I really had no idea how to pace myself for a 5k--all of my runs are over 8 min / mile --some by a good distance. Basically the gun went and my strategy was to just run fast. At about the two mile mark I thought I might not finish, but I held on (through some cramping). It was a really fast track--2 flat miles followed by a 3rd downhill.
5K is a nice distance, never tried much further, I just enjoyed that and always felt if I stormed around one, without much thought, then I was in good form.
Have you considered throwing in one or two 5K into your training regime, just to mix it up and provide some 'light relief'?
Nothing wrong with engineering the occasional running high, in the run upto the big race?
Quote from: Razgovory on March 18, 2014, 09:20:56 PM
I lost 10 pounds. God knows where.
:thumbsup:
Good going; do you still have all of your limbs. :P
Quote from: mongers on March 18, 2014, 09:57:32 PM
5K is a nice distance, never tried much further, I just enjoyed that and always felt if I stormed around one, without much thought, then I was in good form.
Have you considered throwing in one or two 5K into your training regime, just to mix it up and provide some 'light relief'?
Nothing wrong with engineering the occasional running high, in the run upto the big race?
It is a good idea in theory, but the problem I'm having is staying fit to run. I've cut back to 4 days a week, which makes it hard to keep my mileage up. I really can't make one of those days a 5k--I won't run enough. I should have the cardio fitness to get the marathon time I want, it is a question of building the endurance. I really didn't think it would be this hard.
Next week I may try adding in a 5th day of running something like a 5k.
Quote from: mongers on March 18, 2014, 09:11:46 PM
Quote from: Maladict on March 10, 2014, 10:37:36 AM
Getting the old bike ready for the new season, I'm looking at serious replacement parts costs.
Might be time to get a new bike... :hmm:
+1.
Why not, I too am looking at building something new/somewhat different.
Also warn out the odd or two drive train, in all the mud and water this winter. <_<
I'm being offered this by someone I know, for 1500 euros. It's a couple of years old.
Stevens SLC team
- SRAM Force brakes and shifters
- SRAM Red derailleurs
- Rotor 3D crank set, 50-34 Rotor oval chainrings
- Shimano Dura Ace 12-25 cassette and chain
- Campa Eurus wheels, conti 4000s tires
- 3T Arx team stem (alu)
- 3T Ergonova team handle bar (carbon)
- 3T team seat post (carbon)
Thoughts?
Just bought these. I shall build up gradually to running in them and report back:
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I went to the running club my gym runs on Sunday; first time I've been to a club in about three years. A mile warm-up, drills and 4*800m repeats. What doesn't kill me makes me stronger. But it was touch and go for a while.
I'm running Sport Relief Mile on Saturday, and I've entered my usual hilly trail 5K, then I'll think about a 10K or two.
Edit: I'm very, very fat at the moment though. I need to sort my eating (and drinking) to approach anything like my former fitness.
Quote from: Maladict on March 19, 2014, 03:18:26 AM
Quote from: mongers on March 18, 2014, 09:11:46 PM
Quote from: Maladict on March 10, 2014, 10:37:36 AM
Getting the old bike ready for the new season, I'm looking at serious replacement parts costs.
Might be time to get a new bike... :hmm:
+1.
Why not, I too am looking at building something new/somewhat different.
Also warn out the odd or two drive train, in all the mud and water this winter. <_<
I'm being offered this by someone I know, for 1500 euros. It's a couple of years old.
Stevens SLC team
- SRAM Force brakes and shifters
- SRAM Red derailleurs
- Rotor 3D crank set, 50-34 Rotor oval chainrings
- Shimano Dura Ace 12-25 cassette and chain
- Campa Eurus wheels, conti 4000s tires
- 3T Arx team stem (alu)
- 3T Ergonova team handle bar (carbon)
- 3T team seat post (carbon)
Thoughts?
Sorry I've no knowledge of road bikes or higher-end components. :blush:
Quote from: mongers on March 19, 2014, 07:53:25 AM
Sorry I've no knowledge of road bikes or higher-end components. :blush:
That's ok, neither do I really. :)
That all sounds impressive, so I bet they are good.
Quote from: Brazen on March 19, 2014, 07:18:14 AM
Just bought these. I shall build up gradually to running in them and report back:
I'll look forward to this.
Quote from: Brazen on March 19, 2014, 07:18:14 AM
Just bought these. I shall build up gradually to running in them and report back:
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I went to the running club my gym runs on Sunday; first time I've been to a club in about three years. A mile warm-up, drills and 4*800m repeats. What doesn't kill me makes me stronger. But it was touch and go for a while.
I'm running Sport Relief Mile on Saturday, and I've entered my usual hilly trail 5K, then I'll think about a 10K or two.
Edit: I'm very, very fat at the moment though. I need to sort my eating (and drinking) to approach anything like my former fitness.
I own 2 pairs of these. :nerd: :lol: People will stop and stare, small children will point and ask mommy what that stranger is wearing...
Just work up to them very, very gradually, start with a 10 minute walk while your feet adjust. It took me 3 weeks to make the transition, now I sprint in them during the summer.
My cousin broke his toe wearing those in the Chicago Marathon.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 19, 2014, 03:52:41 PM
My cousin broke his toe wearing those in the Chicago Marathon.
And thus kept him from running the marathon? Truly unexpected health benefits right there. ;)
Wore my Vibrams for a 20 minute walk and a quick trot at lunchtime. Small children cried. Horse reared. Milk soured. But my feet were happy.
Popped out over the down to Salisbury on Sunday, a 37mile round trip, first time since the early Autumn due to the rainapocalypse here.
Same route as I took last time, though still wet in places. Different bikes, a flat bar road type hybrid vs a folding bike last year.
Time taken to get there and back, according to the computer, 2h58m3s on this big 700mm bike, last time on the 20inch folder, 2h58m3s.
Exactly the same time, to the second. :hmm:
So I guess I've broadly maintained the same level of fitness over the winter, hence the very similar times; guess it's a case of doing a consistent level of effort, knowing the routes well and having to shift a similar load (me +11-12kgs of bike) up the same hills.
Mongers, for a 3 hour bike ride, what kind of pace do you think you would hold on a flat track?
What part of the bike are you measuring to get the 20 inch/700 mm numbers?
Quote from: alfred russel on March 23, 2014, 12:23:26 AM
Mongers, for a 3 hour bike ride, what kind of pace do you think you would hold on a flat track?
Hard to say, as most of my routes contains some or a considerable bit of off-road/forest/tracks.
The above trip has a 15-20 minutes off-road section in the middle both ways, so it screws the average.
If I'm going somewhere with a time/appointment in mind and it's mainly road, I generally aim to stay above a 14 mph average and can keep that up for a fair few hours.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 23, 2014, 12:39:24 AM
What part of the bike are you measuring to get the 20 inch/700 mm numbers?
700mm is the European messure for what are variously described as 28/29 or even 27inch tyres. The important thing is 700mm tyres fit on the standard 622mm wheel rims that are ubiqius for many road and hybrid/utility bikes.
20 inch is the most common size for folding and bmx bikes tyres, though I think bmx tend to have wider wheel rims for fatter tyres, even though both types of bike have the same wheel rim diameters, something like 406mm.
No new bike this year, one more year on the old one <_<
First race is in three weeks, I should start to get some km's under my belt.
Quote from: Maladict on March 25, 2014, 04:17:10 AM
No new bike this year, one more year on the old one <_<
First race is in three weeks, I should start to get some km's under my belt.
+1. :cool:
Still too cold/icy here to bike more than in town to work. I am waiting for a nice spell of better weather then I can start the circuit.
Quote from: PDH on March 25, 2014, 09:46:11 AM
Still too cold/icy here to bike more than in town to work. I am waiting for a nice spell of better weather then I can start the circuit.
When is your trek across the mountains?
This year I am planning to do that late August. By then the snow is gone and the water across the road is gone as well from the melt. I actually only plan to go from base to summit then back.
Quote from: PDH on March 25, 2014, 10:47:04 AM
This year I am planning to do that late August. By then the snow is gone and the water across the road is gone as well from the melt. I actually only plan to go from base to summit then back.
Sounds good; very different scale of climate/terrain in your neck of the woods, in comparison all I have to wait for is equivalent of just a few puddles to go. :)
I am only going to the summit. The full profile looks like this:
Quote from: PDH on March 25, 2014, 05:31:39 PM
I am only going to the summit. The full profile looks like this:
EEK. :faints:
One of the largest hills around here is also at the 12 mile mark like yours, but I start at about 28 ft above sea-level and climb another 400ft, unlike your 3,000 on a base of 8,000. :D
Quote from: PDH on March 25, 2014, 05:31:39 PM
I am only going to the summit. The full profile looks like this:
I recommend coming back down again afterwards.
Quote from: PDH on March 25, 2014, 05:31:39 PM
I am only going to the summit. The full profile looks like this:
you should totally do the whole thing.
And back again :cool:
I might give this a shot in June :ph34r:
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Screw that.
Oh, and B? Coming down is easy...at least as long as I don't blow out or lose the brakes.
Mal is as insane (non-flat) as you are. :bowler:
Got a new stead today, I needed a budget, somewhat off-road capable bike to do shopping/small trips with a 20-25 mile radius of here. Mainly for back/minor-roads, forest tracks, highways and byways.
As you may guess didn't spend a great deal, about the equivalent of 35 gallons of gas/petrol.
It has an aluminium frame with steel forks, which I chose as their geometry and character seem to absorb/smooth quite a lot of road feedback.
Swapped out the tyres and pedals for better ones, now just need to fit a rack, mudguards, lights, bottle cages etc and I have a usable utility bike for his spring/summer/autumn.
Plus it enables me to take more routes that avoid traffic. :)
Nice :cool:
You could ride that up the Snowy Range, or Mt Ventoux
mongers, why aren't you getting a thing for covering the back wheel? Like one of the few words I don't know in English. Saves you from doing laundry after every trip and having dirt in your hair and that.
Quote from: Norgy on March 26, 2014, 04:20:32 PM
mongers, why aren't you getting a thing for covering the back wheel? Like one of the few words I don't know in English. Saves you from doing laundry after every trip and having dirt in your hair and that.
Mudguards! :)
Only got it today, so I'll have a rummage through the shed tomorrow evening and see what I come up with or swap some off another bike.
I'll just jot down mudguards in case I ever find myself in the UK on a bike.
It does look like a very nice bike though.
Quote from: Norgy on March 26, 2014, 04:35:33 PM
I'll just jot down mudguards in case I ever find myself in the UK on a bike.
It does look like a very nice bike though.
I really should recipricate and learn some/any Norwegian, hello, thank you, please and so forth would be a good start. :)
It's a pity I couldn't find the bits/frame to build one myself, but I hope the basic geometry is a good a fit to me, as I guessed when I saw the triangles.
Just ran slightly more than 10k in an hour for the first time this year. :) Next goal, 12k in an hour or 15k in one-and-a-half hours.
Quote from: Zanza on March 28, 2014, 12:11:42 PM
Just ran slightly more than 10k in an hour for the first time this year. :) Next goal, 12k in an hour or 15k in one-and-a-half hours.
:cool:
And looks like good weather in a fair bit of Europe this weekend.
Hey Mongers, do you wear out your bikes to the point of uselessness, or do you have like a dozen serviceable bikes in your shed now?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 28, 2014, 04:02:05 PM
Hey Mongers, do you wear out your bikes to the point of uselessness, or do you have like a dozen serviceable bikes in your shed now?
Yes usually, they get rebuilt, bits reused on others.
No currently only three usable, with three other projects to rebuild/weld.
61km in 1:52.
Looks like winter training paid off :cool:
Jesus, I thought my 60 miles in four hours was good last year.
Quote from: Maladict on March 30, 2014, 08:42:21 AM
61km in 1:52.
Looks like winter training paid off :cool:
:cool:
A roadie who know how to ride one well, I had to overtake one of a group yesterday and I felt embarrassed over taking someone on a carbon bike, who was using clips and that all important team lycra. :D
Quote from: PDH on March 30, 2014, 09:06:45 AM
Jesus, I thought my 60 miles in four hours was good last year.
It is.
I couldn't have made it to 2hrs without dropping my pace, and it's about as long as I can go without taking a short break.
60 miles would have looked very different. :)
Quote from: Maladict on March 30, 2014, 10:10:06 AM
Quote from: PDH on March 30, 2014, 09:06:45 AM
Jesus, I thought my 60 miles in four hours was good last year.
It is.
I couldn't have made it to 2hrs without dropping my pace, and it's about as long as I can go without taking a short break.
60 miles would have looked very different. :)
Well, mine was 30 miles in 2 hours - stop for energy bar and drink at a little restaurant/bar/store for 30 minutes, then back in 2 hours :D
Quote from: Maladict on March 30, 2014, 10:10:06 AM
Quote from: PDH on March 30, 2014, 09:06:45 AM
Jesus, I thought my 60 miles in four hours was good last year.
It is.
I couldn't have made it to 2hrs without dropping my pace, and it's about as long as I can go without taking a short break.
60 miles would have looked very different. :)
But you still managed just over 20 mph for the best part of two hours; not to be sniffed at. :cool:
Quote from: mongers on March 30, 2014, 10:18:10 AM
But you still managed just over 20 mph for the best part of two hours; not to be sniffed at. :cool:
No, I'm really happy with it. It was pretty much 35kph/22mph the whole way.
Getting in and out of the city and the inevitable traffic lights brought it down to 33kph/20mph.
Quote from: Maladict on March 30, 2014, 10:34:53 AM
Quote from: mongers on March 30, 2014, 10:18:10 AM
But you still managed just over 20 mph for the best part of two hours; not to be sniffed at. :cool:
No, I'm really happy with it. It was pretty much 35kph/22mph the whole way.
Getting in and out of the city and the inevitable traffic lights brought it down to 33kph/20mph.
Indeed.
Getting in and out of towns can really slow your average down.
I've got one cycle computer, on my flatbar hybrid/roadbike, that once you stop, continues to slow down to zero even though you've already stop.
So you see the average speed unjustly drop by a few hundreths/a tenth over 2-3 seconds. :mad:
You've got a computer on your bike? I don't suppose pedaling recharges the battery...
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 30, 2014, 05:33:37 PM
You've got a computer on your bike? I don't suppose pedaling recharges the battery...
No these sort of things, think car speedo/console:
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What do you long range bikers do for nutrition on your long bike runs?
I've tried gummy worms, jelly belly active beans, stingers, and runners gels. I'm not really sold on any of them.
I envy your places to carry water. I have a belt to carry water, and I'm convinced that when I tighten it enough to keep it from bouncing around, it contributes to an upset stomach.
Quote from: alfred russel on March 31, 2014, 08:54:02 PM
What do you long range bikers do for nutrition on your long bike runs?
I've tried gummy worms, jelly belly active beans, stingers, and runners gels. I'm not really sold on any of them.
I envy your places to carry water. I have a belt to carry water, and I'm convinced that when I tighten it enough to keep it from bouncing around, it contributes to an upset stomach.
My longest rides (about 70 miles) I carry two bottles of powerade and I have a camelback of water. For those trips I usually have a couple cliff bars and a couple of kashi bars.
Quote from: alfred russel on March 31, 2014, 08:54:02 PM
What do you long range bikers do for nutrition on your long bike runs?
I've tried gummy worms, jelly belly active beans, stingers, and runners gels. I'm not really sold on any of them.
I envy your places to carry water. I have a belt to carry water, and I'm convinced that when I tighten it enough to keep it from bouncing around, it contributes to an upset stomach.
I need to eat a lot along the way, don't have much in the way of energy reserves.
When cycling for, say, 6 to 8 hours in hilly terrain I'll probably take:
- 2 bottles of water with a little syrup and some salt (refilling along the way)
- 2 or 3 bacon pancakes (my secret weapon)
- 2 or 3 bananas
- about 6 energy bars
- about 6 gels or gummy crap (disgusting stuff, but you can't beat the small size)
plus anything edible I can lay my hands on along the way.
Just eating the gels or energy bars and the like doesn't do it for me after a while.
Just for the record, I do carry energy reserves :D
Part of the reason I like to bike is it helps me shed Winter Weight - something that this time of year I have enough of.
Lucullus dined with Lucullus a bit too much.
WAY too much.
Quote from: alfred russel on March 31, 2014, 08:54:02 PM
What do you long range bikers do for nutrition on your long bike runs?
I've tried gummy worms, jelly belly active beans, stingers, and runners gels. I'm not really sold on any of them.
I envy your places to carry water. I have a belt to carry water, and I'm convinced that when I tighten it enough to keep it from bouncing around, it contributes to an upset stomach.
I popped out and did 38 miles in the late afternoon sunshine, I think the effective temperature crept into the low 70s, but because I wasn't going all out I didn't drink much, only about 3/4litre of orange squash. Also took a couple of slices of teacake, ate one, but didn't really need it, just happened to be sitting in a town green space for a few minutes so needed something to do, pinic!
I think I have around a 40 mile range in my liver and muscles, before I need to think seriously about taking provisions or more than a litre of water or squash.
My bike pedal is making strange clicky sounds when I pedal. :hmm:
It has never been the same since I had to leave it out in that typhoon. :(
Anyway. No more excuses today. It is properly spring now, I need to try and get in shape, I have to lose the gut if I ever want to get a semi-attractive girl of childbearing age. And fighting the depression would be good too.
I went for a semi-run, semi-jog. I suck. Could barely jog a minute before having to stop. Not just my traditional breathing problems at work here, my old leg issue is coming back. Will have to try and keep it up and hope it pays off. Not sure how to force myself to do it though. :hmm:
Quote from: Tyr on April 02, 2014, 08:24:56 AM
My bike pedal is making strange clicky sounds when I pedal. :hmm:
It has never been the same since I had to leave it out in that typhoon. :(
...
Get yourself some cheap comfort MKS pedals, made in Japan with decent bearings, shouldn't cost more than $15.
Today I joined a gym. :showoff: :pinch:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 10, 2014, 06:59:16 PM
Today I joined a gym.
Congratulations. The hard part is done.
My gym is to be turned into some new low-budget concept. :unsure:
Paying half the price isn't bad per se, but I don't have a good feeling about this :(
A colleague recently checked out a gym that was recommended by one of our senior managers.
She decided not to sign up. The base fee was EUR 190.- per month. And about a quarter of the machines incurred extra fees. Plus sauna and wellness part are extra. And of course instructions of any kind cost extra. There was an all in offer (not including instructions/coaching) for EUR 300.- per month. :lol:
:wacko:
Mine is charging $10/month + $30/year.
Yeah, that's what the budget ones here would cost. Our in house lawyer who used to be a fitness coach during university and still hits the gym for ten or fifteen hours per week is at one that's basically just an abandoned storage hall with all kinds of non-electronic machines crammed in there that's frequented mostly be steroid hitting body builders and shady East European security types. I think he pays 20 or 25 per month.
Holy crap! I pay more than most people I know in London for the privilege of having a gym within a 5 minute walk of my flat, otherwise I just wouldn't go. I now feel somewhat less guilty for parting with £74 a month, but that includes cardio and resistance machines, a shit-ton of free weights (plus all those trendy kettlebells, dumbbells, sandbags, Vipr, TRX etc.), classes, swimming pool, jacuzzi (swinger soup), sauna, steam room a running club and towels.
I just signed up for a new HIIT class on Sunday. If you don't hear from me, send the paramedics.
Quote from: Brazen on April 11, 2014, 04:59:49 AMI just signed up for a new HIIT class on Sunday. If you don't hear from me, send the paramedics
Good to see you giving the chronic cardio a miss. :thumbsup:
Today I'll squat 106 kgs for 3 sets of 5 or die trying. :showoff:
Quote from: Legbiter on April 11, 2014, 07:49:12 AM
Good to see you giving the chronic cardio a miss. :thumbsup:
And running 5K on Saturday :P
I was reading today that Mo Farah, who's running is first full marathon in London on Sunday and almost certainly won't win, squats 200lb, which is 1.5 times his bodyweight, for 4-6 reps in training, even though he's this skinny:
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Popped out this evening and did 20-22 miles around the forest, including various bits of off-road.
Still overcoming a cold and set off with a slow puncture, so just getting back by last light wasn't too shabby, all things considered.
Quote from: Syt on April 11, 2014, 03:01:42 AM
A colleague recently checked out a gym that was recommended by one of our senior managers.
She decided not to sign up. The base fee was EUR 190.- per month. And about a quarter of the machines incurred extra fees. Plus sauna and wellness part are extra. And of course instructions of any kind cost extra. There was an all in offer (not including instructions/coaching) for EUR 300.- per month. :lol:
For that much it better include an apartment I can live in on the second floor.
First race tomorrow in the Teutoburgerwald. Hope I won't get ambushed :ph34r:
Quote from: Maladict on April 12, 2014, 05:53:17 AM
First race tomorrow in the Teutoburgerwald. Hope I won't get ambushed :ph34r:
:cool:
Good luck with that, I be thinking of you as I listen to Paris-Roubaix on the radio tomorrow.
7:45 am, 48 degrees, not too much wind. I guess this is time to do my first ride (maybe only 20 or so miles) of the season. By the time I am out of here it should be over 50 - and this is about as good as it gets. This evening there are thunderstorms leading into snow (2-5 inches overnight).
Ride when I can.
Quote from: PDH on April 12, 2014, 08:51:14 AM
7:45 am, 48 degrees, not too much wind. I guess this is time to do my first ride (maybe only 20 or so miles) of the season. By the time I am out of here it should be over 50 - and this is about as good as it gets. This evening there are thunderstorms leading into snow (2-5 inches overnight).
Ride when I can.
Good luck with that. :)
Pretty much ideal conditions here, I'm trying to get out each and every evening.
Did the 22 miles in 1.5 hours. Bit of a push coming in, but all around fun. Glad that there will be snow tomorrow - I believe I will find my saddle fitness isn't too great after a winter off...
Quote from: PDH on April 12, 2014, 11:05:33 AM
Did the 22 miles in 1.5 hours. Bit of a push coming in, but all around fun. Glad that there will be snow tomorrow - I believe I will find my saddle fitness isn't too great after a winter off...
:cool:
Good going, way up in the clouds.
Yeah, nice going.
My butt isn't as sore as I thought...tomorrow with the snow coming down I think it might be a bit worse...
Evening after my first long(ish) ride. Altitude is always a bitch, now I am coughing and my throat is made of beef jerky. Still, the legs have held up, no problems there, and I can still sit down. All good signs.
Just ripped off another toenail. In the past 10 months, I've lost every toenail at least once, except the big ones. Mostly from hiking, but also from running.
Needless to say, my feet look sort of rough.
Quote from: mongers on April 12, 2014, 07:31:27 AM
Good luck with that, I be thinking of you as I listen to Paris-Roubaix on the radio tomorrow.
And a very good Paris-Roubaix it was, the curse has been lifted. :cool:
Too bad I missed it.
Quote from: Maladict on April 13, 2014, 11:02:52 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 12, 2014, 07:31:27 AM
Good luck with that, I be thinking of you as I listen to Paris-Roubaix on the radio tomorrow.
And a very good Paris-Roubaix it was, the curse has been lifted. :cool:
Too bad I missed it.
So how did you do in your race?
Note: Just because you can lift a certain amount of weight doesn't mean you should.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 13, 2014, 05:33:27 PM
Note: Just because you can lift a certain amount of weight doesn't mean you should.
Serious question PW, what sort of fitness to you want to have?
I'd like to be able to play basketball without hurting myself.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 13, 2014, 06:45:46 PM
I'd like to be able to play basketball without hurting myself.
So what's that ? Mainly aerobic with a focus on agility, rather than pure strength?
I'd also like to look good. I'm taking a balanced approach. Mobility, strength and stamina are all important.
Quote from: mongers on April 13, 2014, 04:50:04 PM
So how did you do in your race?
It was ok. Had to drag my mates to the finish line, but that was expected.
The strong head winds I did not expect. Thanks for not taking over the lead even once, guys <_<
All that said, it is a very beautiful area for cycling, and much more hilly than I expected :cool:
Next time in May I'll be cycling with friends who are much better than I am, that will be interesting.
I did a new gym class yesterday called TwentyFour, which was basically a 24 minute bodyweight HIIT class, like a social version of Insanity. I've never worked so hard. I passed out asleep on the sofa half-way through unpacking my shopping a couple of hours later, and was in bed by 9.30pm.
Looks a bit like this, with a pumping drum 'n' bass soundtrack, and a robot woman counting down the intervals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyKHjrRr_AY
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Quote from: Maladict on April 14, 2014, 01:54:33 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 13, 2014, 04:50:04 PM
So how did you do in your race?
It was ok. Had to drag my mates to the finish line, but that was expected.
The strong head winds I did not expect. Thanks for not taking over the lead even once, guys <_<
All that said, it is a very beautiful area for cycling, and much more hilly than I expected :cool:
Next time in May I'll be cycling with friends who are much better than I am, that will be interesting.
Excellent. :)
Headwinds in a race must be a bugger.
Swam yesterday morning to ease things up a bit.
Did that TwentyFour class again today, this time at 7am. Didn't like this teacher as much - he read the exercises from a sheet rather than doing them with us. In case that wasn't enough, afterwards there was a "how many burpees can you do in a minute?" challenge. I only managed 24, but the women's leader only managed 34, and she's about 20. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!
I like the results I'm getting from tough classes, but I need advice on fitting in everything else I want to do, not least running.
I have one of the cats to "thank" for waking me up at 5.30 every morning for my new-found morning workout enthusiasm <_<
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 13, 2014, 09:28:16 PM
I'd also like to look good. I'm taking a balanced approach. Mobility, strength and stamina are all important.
I think the marine corps personal fitness guidelines are a good guage of fitness. To get a perfect score you need to do:
3 mile run: 18 minutes
100 crunches in 2 minutes
20 pull ups
Back to reality, that is really intense, but I think the exercises are a good guage of upper body strength, core strength, and cardiovascular endurance.
Personally, I hate core exercises so I ignore the crunches. If you can do the running and pull ups, you can probably do respectably in the crunches anyway.
Trying to get to the minimum standards in the test, 27 minutes in the 3 mile run and 3 pull ups, is a reasonable goal. If you really want to do core work and improve flexibility, yoga is a way to go. I go through phases where I attend yoga classes, but haven't been in a while.
"Presented to: Dorsey4Heisman. In recognition of outstanding physical achievement and exceptional dedication to the ideal of a sound mind in a strong body.
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My congratulations to you on this accomplishment.
B. Hussein Obama
President of the United States"
:)
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 15, 2014, 01:06:40 PM
"Presented to: Dorsey4Heisman. In recognition of outstanding physical achievement and exceptional dedication to the ideal of a sound mind in a strong body.
:huh:
Why are you trolling me? Discussing a standard doesn't mean I can meet the standard. FWIW, I'm no where near maxing out that test, and doubt I ever will be able to. I still think it is a really good test of all around fitness though.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 15, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 15, 2014, 01:06:40 PM
"Presented to: Dorsey4Heisman. In recognition of outstanding physical achievement and exceptional dedication to the ideal of a sound mind in a strong body.
:huh:
Why are you trolling me? Discussing a standard doesn't mean I can meet the standard. FWIW, I'm no where near maxing out that test, and doubt I ever will be able to. I still think it is a really good test of all around fitness though.
:lol: :hug: It just reminded me of the fitness tests we used to have to do in school, and when I was looking that up, I thought the certificate was amusing.
Also the patches:
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When I was a kid, I wondered why the hell Jimmy Carter demanded that I do chin ups. Bastard.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 15, 2014, 01:25:30 PM
When I was a kid, I wondered why the hell Jimmy Carter demanded that I do chin ups. Bastard.
To prepare you for the inevitable Soviet invasion. Which was also why we were told to sit under our desks at school during nuclear attacks.
As for fitness, I am ragingly unfit these days. I've done some cross-country skiing this winter (and coughed up at least one lung), and now I am preparing for not managing to run a few miles in the woods.
New fitness plan, I or a friend pick a spot on the map I have been to or not that familiar with, I bike there at as good a speed I can manage, then do some exploring thereabouts of bits I've not seen before, then I cycle home at a leisurely pace as a sort of warm-down session. :unsure:
Did the same route as last week, but decided to go up the 2 mile, 700 foot climb before my turn around. It got a bit chilly at 8000 feet, it felt good to do it on just the second ride.
View at the turn around. Snow and no chance of leaves on the aspen trees yet.
Nice terrain, good clean air up there no doubt.
hills are good for you aren't they. :(
Hills suck balls climbing them, but they are fun on the way down. Later in the season I ride that one up, then down, then up, then down.
Did the same 25 mile round trip today. Got passed on the hill by some young lycra woman (who was in far better climbing shape than I am), but my greater mass meant that on the downhill I caught up. Then it was 10 miles back into the wind following a couple of hundred yards behind, never able to catch up.
It's not a race, but having a lead like that meant I worked harder than I would have alone. Good time.
Quote from: PDH on April 20, 2014, 11:42:30 AM
Did the same 25 mile round trip today. Got passed on the hill by some young lycra woman (who was in far better climbing shape than I am), but my greater mass meant that on the downhill I caught up. Then it was 10 miles back into the wind following a couple of hundred yards behind, never able to catch up.
It's not a race, but having a lead like that meant I worked harder than I would have alone. Good time.
:cool:
Yeah, having those occasional 'races' are fun.
I used to get into unacknowledged commuter races, nothing was ever said, but both parties would up their game and a certain amount of overtaking happened. And it is a better work out. :)
My marathon by mid May plan is shelved. I missed almost all my workouts the last two weeks, and ended up regressing.
I'm going to try settling into a routine with a long run of 12 - 14 miles, and then next winter look at stretching it out to a marathon distance. Or if things go really well, perhaps in the fall.
FAILURE.
Just don't kill yourself (like the original marathon runner did).
Quote from: alfred russel on April 20, 2014, 11:51:09 AM
My marathon by mid May plan is shelved. I missed almost all my workouts the last two weeks, and ended up regressing.
I'm going to try settling into a routine with a long run of 12 - 14 miles, and then next winter look at stretching it out to a marathon distance. Or if things go really well, perhaps in the fall.
Doesn't sound at all failish to me. Why not enter a half or two to get your speed up?
I'm working out like a loon at the moment, but having a sharp reminder you can't out-exercise a bad diet. I really need to loose 30lbs before I get back to anything like my fighting weight. I'm just so bloody hungry all the time.
Quote from: Maladict on March 26, 2014, 07:30:12 AM
I might give this a shot in June :ph34r:
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Aaaaand, everybody wimped out as usual. :mad:
Barbell squats continue to defeat me. Deadlifts are scary.
Quote from: Brazen on April 22, 2014, 07:54:23 AM
Doesn't sound at all failish to me. Why not enter a half or two to get your speed up?
I did a half in 1:54 in November, and based on my long runs (that are generally around half marathon distance) I think I could currently probably get that down closer to 1:50 if I pushed. That should mean I have the speed for a full marathon in 4 hours, but I'm really struggling to add distance. I really want to run the whole thing at a consistent pace, but I have been discovering that short breaks at a slow enough pace to reduce my heart rate really extends my distance. Which is basically what you and lusti told me.
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I'm working out like a loon at the moment, but having a sharp reminder you can't out-exercise a bad diet. I really need to loose 30lbs before I get back to anything like my fighting weight. I'm just so bloody hungry all the time.
Does weight really matter? Maybe I'm wrong, but if you are in shape, exercise a good bit, and stay away from obnoxious levels of sweets, things will be okay. Exercising and dieting at the same time--I don't know if that is good.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 23, 2014, 08:51:57 PM
Does weight really matter? Maybe I'm wrong, but if you are in shape, exercise a good bit, and stay away from obnoxious levels of sweets, things will be okay. Exercising and dieting at the same time--I don't know if that is good.
"Less likely to drop dead" good, but "hot for age" is better :P I have a school reunion in July and don't want to be the fat kid.
Anyway, I failed to take my own advice and overdid it. HIIT circuit classes broke me. Having got on the gym leader board for number of burpees in a minute, I've sprained by big toe joint through the unique combination of high impact and bent-back toes. So it's low impact (swimming, spinning, weight training) for a week or so, then I want to build up to this season's running. I've got a miler, 5K, 5 miler and 10K in conveniently ascending order between May and September.
Not doing much at the moment, though I'm probably as fit as I need to, or can be nowadays.
Might take a bike out this evening to do some exploring/go for a drink with a mate.
I was quite coming into shape at least weight-wise last fall, being down to a whooping 82-84kgs. Which wasn't still that great as not that much of it was actual muscle :P but I was starting to get satisfied with it.
Which was clearly a mistake as I opened the floodgates of cheap nice food which are readily available here, so I am now back to 91kgs. :(
I am not really that fond of straight-out starving, so I have bought a couple of dumbbells with some weights to at least try and burn some of that excess energy.
I really miss my stationary bike from Hungary, but I resent the idea of going to a gym. :yucky:
Are 'we' still doing fitness in 2014 ?
Popped out late afternoon on the bike, ended up doing a small circuit of the top of the New Forest, a little more than I'd plan, around 24 miles with a few hills thrown in.
Quite a windy day, 20-30 mph with stronger gusts, which seemed against me for much of my triangular route. <_<
Had to stop at one point and remove my jumper, so I wouldn't be dragged over so much by the strong cross wind. :)
Wind is the enemy here. I have ridden down 6% grades into the teeth of 30 mph winds and spent much of the time on the pedals. Coming back to town is often a chore if I leave too late. To top it off, the wind blows almost every direction, just never from behind me.
I hurt.
I got a bit shown up today. I set out to do 10.6 miles. About the time I started running, two guys also set out, and we had about the same pace. They didn't quite go as far--10.0 miles, but they ran just a bit faster. I was talking to them after we finished our runs, and they said that before we started running they had just finished biking 40 miles in 2 hours. They do full ironmans.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 27, 2014, 12:53:04 PM
I got a bit shown up today. I set out to do 10.6 miles. About the time I started running, two guys also set out, and we had about the same pace. They didn't quite go as far--10.0 miles, but they ran just a bit faster. I was talking to them after we finished our runs, and they said that before we started running they had just finished biking 40 miles in 2 hours. They do full ironmans.
Not too shabby on your part at all. If what these guys say is true, then they're like in what percentile of the population, top 0.5% ?
Frankly I'd ignore what other people do, it's about you own targets and what's perhaps sometimes forgotten, having fun.
If you exercise regime isn't proving to be a good positive thing in life, then change it or do something completely different.
I'm pretty sure it was true. They looked the part, and I doubt they drove bikes to the trailhead to convince some random person that they both ran and biked that day. :P
I don't feel bad at all about getting beat. Where I run it is very rare to have people pass me, especially when they are also going a long distance. We didn't quite run the same distance, but if we had I guess they would have beat me by ~2-3 minutes. So I went to talk to them thinking we were in the same ballpark, and they dropped on me that they had biked 40 miles before. I think the only way I'm getting in their ballpark is to buy a ticket. :)
Also, guys that do full ironmans have to be a lot better than 0.5%, right? (assuming they put up reasonable times)
Quote from: alfred russel on April 27, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
I'm pretty sure it was true. They looked the part, and I doubt they drove bikes to the trailhead to convince some random person that they both ran and biked that day. :P
I don't feel bad at all about getting beat. Where I run it is very rare to have people pass me, especially when they are also going a long distance. We didn't quite run the same distance, but if we had I guess they would have beat me by ~2-3 minutes. So I went to talk to them thinking we were in the same ballpark, and they dropped on me that they had biked 40 miles before. I think the only way I'm getting in their ballpark is to buy a ticket. :)
Also, guys that do full ironmans have to be a lot better than 0.5%, right? (assuming they put up reasonable times)
:cool:
Indeed, could be what 1 in 10,000 for all I know.
One in ten thousand would mean like 30.000 people in the US doing full ironmans. It's probably less than that. The Hawaii Ironman has 1600 amateur starters, but that's from the entire world.
Quote from: Zanza on April 27, 2014, 02:08:21 PM
One in ten thousand would mean like 30.000 people in the US doing full ironmans. It's probably less than that. The Hawaii Ironman has 1600 amateur starters, but that's from the entire world.
The number of Americans that do full ironmans is probably very small. But how many can do them?
A coworker has done some full ironmans. I looked up her results from one race:
swim (2.4 miles): 1:42
bike (112 miles): 7:43
run (26.2 miles): 5:44
Total Time: 15:36
I would think that many serious endurance athletes would probably be able to beat that. Assuming they don't drown, I would think your really good cyclists or say sub 3 hour marathoners could do it if they were told they had to.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 27, 2014, 03:39:06 PM
Quote from: Zanza on April 27, 2014, 02:08:21 PM
One in ten thousand would mean like 30.000 people in the US doing full ironmans. It's probably less than that. The Hawaii Ironman has 1600 amateur starters, but that's from the entire world.
The number of Americans that do full ironmans is probably very small. But how many can do them?
A coworker has done some full ironmans. I looked up her results from one race:
swim (2.4 miles): 1:42
bike (112 miles): 7:43
run (26.2 miles): 5:44
Total Time: 15:36
I would think that many serious endurance athletes would probably be able to beat that. Assuming they don't drown, I would think your really good cyclists or say sub 3 hour marathoners could do it if they were told they had to.
Lets see, I could do 2/3 of the biking, I used to be able to do 1/8 of running and only ever could do 1/80th of the swimming. :blush:
That's a long way to float on your back.
Quote from: mongers on April 27, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
Lets see, I could do 2/3 of the biking, I used to be able to do 1/8 of running and only ever could do 1/80th of the swimming. :blush:
If you could shave an hour plus off the bike, you could walk most of the run.
I can't vouch for this being true, but I was told how the ironman got started. Apparently there were some US military guys that were big fitness buffs at a base in Hawaii. Some focused on swimming, some on running. They argued about which was the better way to stay in shape. So they decided to compete in a race that would combine the ultimate race from each sport. First there would be a 2.4 mile open ocean swim (that was the big swimming event in Hawaii), followed by a marathon.
But then before a race, one of the guys read an article that the best way to stay in shape is to bike. So they decided to add a biking component to the race. There was also a 112 mile bike race on Hawaii, so that is what got added. What the guys didn't realize, because they weren't cyclists, was that the bike race they were adding was done over 2 days.
The longest I have ever biked in one go was 85 miles.
I am not a complete idiot.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 27, 2014, 03:39:06 PM
swim (2.4 miles): 1:42
bike (112 miles): 7:43
run (26.2 miles): 5:44
Total Time: 15:36
I once swam to a Greek island about 1km off shore, and back again after a short rest. It must have taken ages, I'm a terrible swimmer.
Not too keen on trying 2.4 miles.
The biking part shouldn't be a problem. It's a pretty decent average speed actually, especially after a 2.4 mile swim.
The running average, however, seems to be no more than jogging speed. But given the state of my knees I doubt I could match it. :(
Apparently the cut-off times are:
3.9 km swim: 2 hours 20 minutes
180 km bike ride: 8 hours 10 minutes
marathon: 6 hours 30 minutes
So that's 17 hours for the whole thing.
If you have 7+ hours to spare for the marathon you could walk the whole thing :hmm:
Quote from: Maladict on April 28, 2014, 08:18:47 AM
Apparently the cut-off times are:
3.9 km swim: 2 hours 20 minutes
180 km bike ride: 8 hours 10 minutes
marathon: 6 hours 30 minutes
So that's 17 hours for the whole thing.
If you have 7+ hours to spare for the marathon you could walk the whole thing :hmm:
We should really try that.
I could sit in a bath for 2 1/2 hours, do 120km on the bike, run 5km and be pushed in a wheelchair for the remaining 35km of the marathon. :bowler:
Quote from: Maladict on April 28, 2014, 05:54:10 AM
The running average, however, seems to be no more than jogging speed. But given the state of my knees I doubt I could match it. :(
She was a marathon runner converted to doing this. She considers the running her best event. I doubt that she was in top form after swimming and biking for 9+ hours, and probably walked a good bit of that marathon.
Quote from: mongers on April 28, 2014, 08:22:21 AM
Quote from: Maladict on April 28, 2014, 08:18:47 AM
Apparently the cut-off times are:
3.9 km swim: 2 hours 20 minutes
180 km bike ride: 8 hours 10 minutes
marathon: 6 hours 30 minutes
So that's 17 hours for the whole thing.
If you have 7+ hours to spare for the marathon you could walk the whole thing :hmm:
We should really try that.
I could sit in a bath for 2 1/2 hours, do 120km on the bike, run 5km and be pushed in a wheelchair for the remaining 35km of the marathon. :bowler:
The cut-off time for running seems to be easier than for cycling. Can't really tell for swimming, but it would make sense if it gets progressively more lenient.
That means the swimming is the really hard bit and you'd be lucky to make it in 2:20, then somehow gain an hour in cycling even though you're exhausted and then manage to walk for another 7.5 hrs straight.
Of course, I'd drown before actually having to face any of those problems.
Quote from: Maladict on April 28, 2014, 08:18:47 AM
If you have 7+ hours to spare for the marathon you could walk the whole thing :hmm:
There was a gentlemen I met recently on holiday. He did an ultra marathon last year. It took him 10.5 hours.
He told me his normal marathon time is 3 hours 50 minutes. He told me he walked without any running the last 10 km of the race, but I'm sure he did quite a bit more walking than that (assumming he did radically slow down his pace).
Quote from: Maladict on April 28, 2014, 08:41:54 AM
The cut-off time for running seems to be easier than for cycling. Can't really tell for swimming, but it would make sense if it gets progressively more lenient.
That means the swimming is the really hard bit and you'd be lucky to make it in 2:20, then somehow gain an hour in cycling even though you're exhausted and then manage to walk for another 7.5 hrs straight.
Of course, I'd drown before actually having to face any of those problems.
That is my problem-I would drown too.
If I ever get to the point of running a marathon or two in a decent time, I'm going to need a new goal. I'm thinking triathlons, but am going to need to find a place to swim.
For the last week and a half I've been doing a bit of a dumbell workout every other day in the morning. Amazingly, I'm not as easily out of breath while walking quickly or climbing stairs as I was two weeks ago. I was really out of shape and not getting any better. :blush:
Holy thread necromancy. :P
Good work Syt, case of use it or lose it?
Quote from: mongers on May 05, 2014, 06:57:53 AM
Good work Syt, case of use it or lose it?
What, the dumbells?
Last couple of days, a bit of pootling along on the bike, but nothing of any significance;barely a maintenance level of activity. :(
I've persuaded a girl from work to do the Westminster Mile with me (basically the final 1/26th of the London Marathon) with the lure of G&Ts afterwards. She says she's slow. This remains to be seen. She may just think she's slow for 25 and slim <_<
Found this thread on page 4. :hmm:
Popped out on the new bike to Salisbury via the downs. Came back a more cross country route, about a quater of the distance was off-road with some nice/nasty little hills included.
Just over 37 miles this evening, need to start upping the mileage. :bowler:
First time the weather has been good in a couple of weeks - last weekend we got 10 inches of snow, hard to bike in that. Today, though, the wind was light and the temperature was a balmy 45 degrees. Perfect for a thirty mile ride in a bit less than 2 hours.
Quote from: PDH on May 17, 2014, 06:22:40 PM
First time the weather has been good in a couple of weeks - last weekend we got 10 inches of snow, hard to bike in that. Today, though, the wind was light and the temperature was a balmy 45 degrees. Perfect for a thirty mile ride in a bit less than 2 hours.
:cool:
Heh, it was still in the high 70s here when I set out at 5pm. :bowler:
Three straight days of 30 mile jaunts, all averaging above 15mph. Yesterday the legs were a big rubbery, but today was good. I want to do 7 straight days since I have the week off.
Quote from: PDH on May 28, 2014, 08:49:01 PM
Three straight days of 30 mile jaunts, all averaging above 15mph. Yesterday the legs were a big rubbery, but today was good. I want to do 7 straight days since I have the week off.
:cool:
Yeah in comparision I really need to pull my finger out. :(
My running plans have been something of a boondoggle. I've settled into 3-4 6 mile runs at ~8 min a mile each week, supplemented with a couple of stints on an exercise bike of ~50 minutes. I keep planning longer runs on weekends, but they keep not happening (rain, other commitments, and the beginning of a hot Georgia summer aren't helping).
So basically this isn't good for getting up to a marathon.
However, I did a health screen today, and my blood pressure was normal, and my resting heart rate was 45. My blood pressure was elevated and my resting heart rate in the 80s before I started running. So even as I am missing my goals, I'm getting some benefits.
Quote from: mongers on May 28, 2014, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: PDH on May 28, 2014, 08:49:01 PM
Three straight days of 30 mile jaunts, all averaging above 15mph. Yesterday the legs were a big rubbery, but today was good. I want to do 7 straight days since I have the week off.
:cool:
Yeah in comparision I really need to pull my finger out. :(
I guess the thing to keep in mind, and I suspect you aren't forgetting, is that his rides are over some rather challenging terrain and at a decent altitude. For us to match him, we really need to do a lot more.
Been faithfully doing Rippetoe's Starting Strength now for 5 months, I've added dozens of kgs to my main lifts (back squat, shoulder press, bench, deadlift and power clean) but I feel recovery is about to become an issue since it's getting harder to adapt inbetween workouts. I'll need to switch to something new in the next month or so.
Still, it's been an awesome ride and very probably the best fitness program I've ever done in my life. I'll never gain as much strength and as fast as I did on that.
Quote from: alfred russel on May 28, 2014, 08:56:57 PM
My running plans have been something of a boondoggle. I've settled into 3-4 6 mile runs at ~8 min a mile each week, supplemented with a couple of stints on an exercise bike of ~50 minutes. I keep planning longer runs on weekends, but they keep not happening (rain, other commitments, and the beginning of a hot Georgia summer aren't helping).
So basically this isn't good for getting up to a marathon.
However, I did a health screen today, and my blood pressure was normal, and my resting heart rate was 45. My blood pressure was elevated and my resting heart rate in the 80s before I started running. So even as I am missing my goals, I'm getting some benefits.
:cool:
Those are pretty damn important achievements.
I'd argue more so than any arbitrary goals we set ourselves.
Quote from: PDH on May 28, 2014, 08:49:01 PM
Three straight days of 30 mile jaunts, all averaging above 15mph. Yesterday the legs were a big rubbery, but today was good. I want to do 7 straight days since I have the week off.
This inspired me to get my maps out and plan some trips. :cool:
Quote from: Maladict on May 29, 2014, 06:31:48 AM
Quote from: PDH on May 28, 2014, 08:49:01 PM
Three straight days of 30 mile jaunts, all averaging above 15mph. Yesterday the legs were a big rubbery, but today was good. I want to do 7 straight days since I have the week off.
This inspired me to get my maps out and plan some trips. :cool:
+1
Indeed I should be doing that too.
I've told you that my plan by the end of the Summer is to ride over the Snowy Range Mountains near here (last weekend they just busted the snow there to open the road). With that in mind my regular route, the one I ride 3-5 times a week, is a 10 mile relatively flat ride out to a 2.5 mile climb - average is about 4.5%, barring the false flat at the end it is a nice 6% climb. I do the climb twice, in a month I want to be doing it 3 times, then I ride back. My goal is always to average 15 mph.
For the record, I am still stout, I don't climb well (I get passed by the real riders all the time, though I do descend like a demon with all my weight), and I don't wear a biking outfit. Still, I think I am addicted to it.
My plan to go running two or three times a week has sort of petered out as the weather has become more and more humid :lol:
Quote from: PDH on May 29, 2014, 07:59:23 AM
I've told you that my plan by the end of the Summer is to ride over the Snowy Range Mountains near here (last weekend they just busted the snow there to open the road). With that in mind my regular route, the one I ride 3-5 times a week, is a 10 mile relatively flat ride out to a 2.5 mile climb - average is about 4.5%, barring the false flat at the end it is a nice 6% climb. I do the climb twice, in a month I want to be doing it 3 times, then I ride back. My goal is always to average 15 mph.
For the record, I am still stout, I don't climb well (I get passed by the real riders all the time, though I do descend like a demon with all my weight), and I don't wear a biking outfit. Still, I think I am addicted to it.
Climbing is awesome :yes:
Right, since my Ventoux plan collapsed I signed up for something insane closer to home.
It's a 4 km lap containing a fairly vicious 1 km climb (average 10%, max 13%).
The challenge is to do up to 40 laps. :lol:
Quote from: PDH on May 29, 2014, 07:59:23 AM
I've told you that my plan by the end of the Summer is to ride over the Snowy Range Mountains near here (last weekend they just busted the snow there to open the road). With that in mind my regular route, the one I ride 3-5 times a week, is a 10 mile relatively flat ride out to a 2.5 mile climb - average is about 4.5%, barring the false flat at the end it is a nice 6% climb. I do the climb twice, in a month I want to be doing it 3 times, then I ride back. My goal is always to average 15 mph.
For the record, I am still stout, I don't climb well (I get passed by the real riders all the time, though I do descend like a demon with all my weight), and I don't wear a biking outfit. Still, I think I am addicted to it.
:cool:
It must be nice to have substantial targets/ambitions.
What's rather gotten me down, is the six months of never ending mud and rain, did I mention the rain?; wettest winter on record and he's been the wettest in place in the UK. That added to living in a river valley means I'm never far from standing water and mud. <_<
I've done a bit over 750 miles during winter and just 1100 miles this spring, but if I'd used a new bike in these conditions, it would have all but been ruined by day in day use.
Oh for some good weather, so I can get out and about and get some miles under my belt.
A resting heartrate at 45 is abnormally good, AR.
Mine is at 56 nowadays, despite smoking and the occasional falling off the wagon. It used to be in the high 80s.
I ran 15 km yesterday. When I say "ran", it means I walked half of the distance. I am in poor shape now. Might start playing a bit of football again for the cardio. If I don't post again in a few weeks, it means my heart exploded.
I made 5 days so far out of 7. Today was rough, light rain at the start (I hate biking in the rain), that turned heavier about a third of the way through. The only saving grace was the rain letting up about 9 miles in and the sagebrush filling the clean air. Then, as I was ready to stare the climb in the face, the rain started to piss down again, so I abandoned that and rode home.
20 miles today, and about a half hour of working cleaning and re-oiling the bike after that affair.
Tomorrow I have to do better.
Quote from: PDH on May 30, 2014, 05:02:41 PM
I made 5 days so far out of 7. Today was rough, light rain at the start (I hate biking in the rain), that turned heavier about a third of the way through. The only saving grace was the rain letting up about 9 miles in and the sagebrush filling the clean air. Then, as I was ready to stare the climb in the face, the rain started to piss down again, so I abandoned that and rode home.
20 miles today, and about a half hour of working cleaning and re-oiling the bike after that affair.
Tomorrow I have to do better.
:cool:
:hmm:
:D
Nice 140km trip yesterday, apart from the unexpected sunburn :(
Started out along the old Hanseatic towns of Zwolle and Kampen, then into the new lands reclaimed from the former south sea. The land is barely 50 years old but contains some of the more interesting wildlife in the country. At one point I passed within a few meters of a huge eagle owl. At Lelystad I got a glimpse of the recent shipwrecks excavated in the area and the replica of an East Indiaman under construction.
Then came an ill-judged turn into the wind along the 25km dam to North Holland, pretty tough going. After passing through the East India Company ports of Enkhuizen and Hoorn I finally got a nice tailwind for the final stretch into Amsterdam, getting my average speed up to 29km/h. :cool:
:cool:
Now that's a nice trip, I bet it blew a few cobwebs away.
See, I am a duffer, Mal is a rider.
Today I did my 6th day, and the legs were the best since day 1. Rode out, aided by a light wind on a broad reach, and felt good. Hit the hill and of course my legs were protesting, but I was buoyed when I got passed by a lycra fellow who was good by not great - still, he wanted to pass me so he was standing on the pedals and blowing out his legs. A rabbit is always good to follow. I got to the top and with a nod to the lycra fellow I turned around without a rest and went down, then turned around and rode back up...
I passed him coming down as I was streaming sweat from climb number two, and he must have been a bit miffed at this overweight guy in a T-shirt doing the climb twice - he was riding back up when I went down the second time (this time NOT standing on the pedals and struggling a bit more).
The ride in was nice, but my back is sore after 6 days. One more day and I have my week straight.
Quote from: PDH on May 31, 2014, 05:03:09 PM
See, I am a duffer, Mal is a rider.
Today I did my 6th day, and the legs were the best since day 1. Rode out, aided by a light wind on a broad reach, and felt good. Hit the hill and of course my legs were protesting, but I was buoyed when I got passed by a lycra fellow who was good by not great - still, he wanted to pass me so he was standing on the pedals and blowing out his legs. A rabbit is always good to follow. I got to the top and with a nod to the lycra fellow I turned around without a rest and went down, then turned around and rode back up...
I passed him coming down as I was streaming sweat from climb number two, and he must have been a bit miffed at this overweight guy in a T-shirt doing the climb twice - he was riding back up when I went down the second time (this time NOT standing on the pedals and struggling a bit more).
The ride in was nice, but my back is sore after 6 days. One more day and I have my week straight.
kudos for your efforts up in the clouds today. :cool:
No pain, no gain? :P
Myself, I spent 10 hours sorting out the garden, repairing stuff and generally dealing with the aftermath of the wet weather here; managed to get out on the bike for just 4-5 miles at gone 9pm. <_<
Quote from: mongers on May 31, 2014, 04:47:44 PM
:cool:
Now that's a nice trip, I bet it blew a few cobwebs away.
There actually was one hanging from my handle bar at one point. :lol:
Quote from: PDH on May 31, 2014, 05:03:09 PM
See, I am a duffer, Mal is a rider.
Today I did my 6th day, and the legs were the best since day 1. Rode out, aided by a light wind on a broad reach, and felt good. Hit the hill and of course my legs were protesting, but I was buoyed when I got passed by a lycra fellow who was good by not great - still, he wanted to pass me so he was standing on the pedals and blowing out his legs. A rabbit is always good to follow. I got to the top and with a nod to the lycra fellow I turned around without a rest and went down, then turned around and rode back up...
I passed him coming down as I was streaming sweat from climb number two, and he must have been a bit miffed at this overweight guy in a T-shirt doing the climb twice - he was riding back up when I went down the second time (this time NOT standing on the pedals and struggling a bit more).
The ride in was nice, but my back is sore after 6 days. One more day and I have my week straight.
Nice one. You're not a duffer if you ride those mountains.
And I don't think I've ever done more than two days in a row. :(
Day 7, last of the marathon.
I woke up with my back complaining (not good) and my legs joining in (what else is new, the legs seem to start out complaining even on a good day). Still, I needed to finish this, so after some coffee and other pre-ride hydration I set out on the normal route. My back loosened up after a few minutes, and I made sure to stretch during the ride as well. The legs? After the first little hill on the edge of town they stopped complaining and were in great shape.
The first ten miles was with a tailwind, smooth riding and fairly fast. I took the hill up at a higher than normal gear and more effort because I wasn't going to do it twice - instead I turned, rode down into the wind, then out onto the flats. The way back to town is 10 miles, but halfway there I turned around and rode back to the base of the hill, this time it was tougher because the wind had shifted 180 degrees and was now a headwind. Still, I made it to the turnaround and rode back to Laramie with a full 15-20 mph tailwind for the full way and close to 40 miles today.
All in all a good week - though I am not in great shape. 220 miles in 7 days, a good benchmark for the start of the season. In three months I think I could easily do 40-45 per day, but for now this was fun.
Kudos again. :cool:
Last summer right after the end of the Tour de France I tried something similar, I aimed to get out ever day/evening in an effort to replicate in a small way the effort involved with the different stages.
So one day do a 'flat stage', another a 'time trial', the problem was the 'mountain stages' as we don't have any of those. :(
I managed most of it, allowing myself only the two/three official rest days, but I did have to take a few evening off because of family stuff, but it was quite a good way of challenging oneself, like you've just done.
This year I need a new Tour de France challenge of some sort. :hmm:
Previous to last, I tried to see how quickly I could do the whole tour milage after it finished in July, ended up taking me till Xmas. :D
This time last year was when I pulled my groin and was sidelined for a month or so. I was up to regular 5 mile runs at 8 minutes a mile, with long runs of 9 miles at about 9 minutes a mile.
A year on my groin is still a bit tender and I could compile a long list of aches and pains I've had. But my regular runs are up to 6 miles at 8 minutes a mile, and yesterday I just did a long run of 10.6 miles at just under 8:30 a mile. I'm getting better, if a lot more slowly than I would like.
Good going AR, you're a better man than me. :cool:
Myself I'm a little bit 'lame' today, yesterday I took the new bike out and ended up going a lot further than intended for a quick spin, plus I had to break in some new shoes, which is always a minor difficulty, getting use them.
So this morning I aching in a few places.
At least I kept a good pace. :)
I've gotten to under 11 minutes for a mile on the elliptical machine(12-13 minutes for second mile). Of course, it's telling me the whole time that my heart rate is too high. :Embarrass:
After four years, thanks to kids and school, I am finally back at the gym hopefully to continue as I had before.
Funny thing, at UT my machine was/is right in front of the TV that always has the basic cable channel TNT. When I worked out before at 4 PM they always had this godawful show 'Charmed' on. I mean there is no volume so I could never hear the dialog but somehow even silent this show was so idiotic my intelligence was insulted by it.
Now, four years later and at 6:30 AM and I believe the show has ended, freaking Charmed is still on TNT right when I workout. Still just as infuriatingly stupid as ever. It was like I never left...well except for the now being really overweight part.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 02, 2014, 01:54:30 PM
I've gotten to under 11 minutes for a mile on the elliptical machine(12-13 minutes for second mile). Of course, it's telling me the whole time that my heart rate is too high. :Embarrass:
I remember the first time I ran 5 miles...it took me 62 minutes. Yes I was going very slow, but I thought that was such a long distance and sort of a superhuman feat. Now almost every run is longer than 5 miles and a lot of them involve crossing that 5 mile threshold ~40 minutes. If you stick with it you will get better quickly.
Also, your heart rate going high isn't necessarily a bad thing. Most endurance athletes train well above standard targets (that includes serious amateurs). However, if you are starting out, then that probably just means you are going to quit your exercises too soon. You will get more benefit by easier cardio work over longer periods.
Just started my intermediate lifting program (Wendler's 5/3/1) today. Pleasantly hard but didn't take all that long because I only rested a minute between sets. Next 2 weeks will be tougher though, so I'll enjoy this while it lasts.
Next up: Steak and eggs.
Quote from: Legbiter on June 02, 2014, 03:22:09 PM
Just started my intermediate lifting program (Wendler's 5/3/1) today. Pleasantly hard but didn't take all that long because I only rested a minute between sets. Next 2 weeks will be tougher though, so I'll enjoy this while it lasts.
Next up: Steak and eggs.
Surely those are quite light things ? :unsure:
Quote from: mongers on June 02, 2014, 03:33:13 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on June 02, 2014, 03:22:09 PM
Just started my intermediate lifting program (Wendler's 5/3/1) today. Pleasantly hard but didn't take all that long because I only rested a minute between sets. Next 2 weeks will be tougher though, so I'll enjoy this while it lasts.
Next up: Steak and eggs.
Surely those are quite light things ? :unsure:
Steak and eggs are, sure. :lol:
Maybe he is lifting fossilized Pteranodon eggs and entire cow carcasses.
I just walked over to a gym not too far from where I live. Saw the hours of operation on the door: 10:00-5:00.
The name of the establishment: Anytime Fitness.
:lol:
My gym is always open. :showoff:
Couple of days ago walking outta backdoor to get something for the dog, when my shoe clipped the edge of the door, I suppose I was going quite fast, so I nearly over fell over, but kept my balance, then over compensated, half fell back into the house, but ended up staying upright.
Imagine a newborn giraffe for an idea of the gymnastics involved. :cool:
But I did manage to crash the outside of my ankle into the one of galvanised steel receptors in the door frame for the door deadlocks, so too the skin off it and is now swelling to a fair old size, I'm guessing this is going to be a bit disabling for a few days.
Just wondering weather I should take it easy for a few days and give it a rest or just say screw it and exercise through the pain, I cant really damage it can I ?
I'm definitely not qualified to give an answer, but I'd probably just give it an easy test and see what happens. I assume it will smart when you first start, but if the pain doesn't go away after a few minutes of exercise, or especially if it ever starts to get worse, I'd call it off. And of course don't do anything that is excrutiating.
If you broke some sort of bone or tore something, you don't want to push through the pain as that will make things much worse.
Quote from: alfred russel on June 07, 2014, 09:22:44 PM
I'm definitely not qualified to give an answer, but I'd probably just give it an easy test and see what happens. I assume it will smart when you first start, but if the pain doesn't go away after a few minutes of exercise, or especially if it ever starts to get worse, I'd call it off. And of course don't do anything that is excrutiating.
If you broke some sort of bone or tore something, you don't want to push through the pain as that will make things much worse.
Thanks, I think I give it some exercise, maybe not too much; at my age I you fear if you let up. things will seize up all by themselves anyway. :D
Slacking off badly because of the World Cup. :(
Quote from: Maladict on June 20, 2014, 04:23:39 AM
Slacking off badly because of the World Cup. :(
I know what you mean, I've slackened off because I'm using public transport at the moment rather than cycling.
Turns out my fitness level is very specific and narrow, like I've nearly forgotten how to walk because of using bikes all the time. Was planning on doing a 12-18 mile walk at the weekend, doing 5-6 miles elsewhere the day before hand, found my rather tired the next day and not up for it. :rolleyes:
Clearly I need to practice walking, simply isn't any reason why someone of my age should be able to to a reasonable days walk. After all I'm not talking of doing 25-30miles with a heavy pack.
Quote from: mongers on June 23, 2014, 08:43:23 AM
Turns out my fitness level is very specific and narrow, like I've nearly forgotten how to walk because of using bikes all the time.
That sounds familiar. I played a round of squash yesterday, first time in ages. I was fine fitness-wise, but my shoulders and ankles seem to be on strike today.
Quote from: Maladict on June 23, 2014, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 23, 2014, 08:43:23 AM
Turns out my fitness level is very specific and narrow, like I've nearly forgotten how to walk because of using bikes all the time.
That sounds familiar. I played a round of squash yesterday, first time in ages. I was fine fitness-wise, but my shoulders and ankles seem to be on strike today.
Yes, I think it wise to try a more rounded approach to fitness, though I think a squash match would kill me right now. :D
I've put back on all but 7lbs I lost. Got a school reunion (35 years since we joined!) in four weeks and I can't be the fattest - last time I was unemployed and they were all brain surgeons and rocket scientists. Started tracking food and exercise again - got that down pat, but now I actually have to burn more than I eat and drink! The latter's a problem in this glorious weather, when nothing refreshes like an ice-cold lager.
I did the same 5K race I do every year last week and was shocked that it took me 44 mins - I could have walked faster! But then I checked my GPS - I'd actually run 3.9 miles rather than 3.1, mostly dodging walkers. Not bad for me, especially seeing as the second half was all uphill.
Got a 15km night hike this Friday, which should be easy but not quick - I'm taking it nice and steady with a friend who has a severe back problem. Then the Olympic Park 5 mile race in less than four weeks, which I really need to up my mileage for.
Toughest race of the season in September - 10km hilly cross-country. Really don't want to make too much of an eedjit of myself.
By way of a refreshing change, I've won two weeks' access to a trendy new gym machine-based circuit workout called Speedflex in a competition. Apparently everyone's heart-rates are projected on the wall so you can compete - probably not the best idea for us middle-aged farts!
Had a bad spell. Had a muscle pulled playing basketball and used that as a very convenient excuse to do even less. Now I need to get back on that horse.
I was so excited that last Friday the TV in front of my machine was showing something OTHER than Charmed. And then today back to Charmed. Alyssa Milano will haunt me my entire life.
I can now sort of run. :gasp:
By which I mean I'm comfortable sprinting 200-500 yards to catch a bus. :bowler:
I can now do a mile on the elliptical machine in under 9 minutes. Actual jogging where my weight collides with the ground every step, that's a different story.
My running attempts are hampered by my mysterious forever dodgy right joints
Quote from: Tyr on June 28, 2014, 12:33:53 AM
My running attempts are hampered by my mysterious forever dodgy right joints
Dolljoints? :ogle:
Did 40 miles on the folding bike across the downs this afternoon. It, and to some extent me, performed rather well. :bowler:
I've basically collapsed with running . :cry:
This week was typical of what I've been doing. 3 days on a treadmill for about 6 miles, 1 day on a treadmill that I was going to do a much longer run but after 1 mile said "fuck it" and got off, and then today...Supposed to be my first long run in a while, after 15 minutes I turned around because I realized my planned 12 miles was going to suck (in part because I've missed too many runs, and in part because I slept in and the heat was going to be brutal).
Summary on the week: about 21 miles. That is about 10-15 miles less than what I've been planning to clock.
Quote from: Valmy on June 23, 2014, 01:34:07 PM
I was so excited that last Friday the TV in front of my machine was showing something OTHER than Charmed. And then today back to Charmed. Alyssa Milano will haunt me my entire life.
They usually have that on (without the sound) when I'm at the gym. I admire the way the good witches all wear tight, low cut shirts. Bosoms have a magic all their own. :)
I ate 200-400 calories yesterday and wasn't even really hungry, on top of a week of spotty but effective dieting. I've lost about seven pounds since around the middle of the month. I guess I got that eating disorder I always wanted. :unsure:
Quote from: Ideologue on June 30, 2014, 06:35:26 PM
I ate 200-400 calories yesterday and wasn't even really hungry, on top of a week of spotty but effective dieting. I've lost about seven pounds since around the middle of the month. I guess I got that eating disorder I always wanted. :unsure:
Water weight and lean muscle mass will be 3/4 of that "loss" :hmm:
Just eat meat, fish and veg with plenty of walking and some exercise of your choice and you'll reconfigure your body composition and perk up your mood in very short order. And throw in some intermittent fasting every once in a while if you like.
Come up with a plan instead of this yo-yo dieting.
Started a new month on the 5/3/1 lifting program. Tomorrow is deadlift day. :showoff:
Quote from: Legbiter on June 30, 2014, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 30, 2014, 06:35:26 PM
I ate 200-400 calories yesterday and wasn't even really hungry, on top of a week of spotty but effective dieting. I've lost about seven pounds since around the middle of the month. I guess I got that eating disorder I always wanted. :unsure:
Water weight and lean muscle mass will be 3/4 of that "loss" :hmm:
Just eat meat, fish and veg with plenty of walking and some exercise of your choice and you'll reconfigure your body composition and perk up your mood in very short order. And throw in some intermittent fasting every once in a while if you like.
Come up with a plan instead of this yo-yo dieting.
I do work out, albeit not as regularly as discipline would demand. It does help my mood, a little. I want to run, but it's just the worst and I really hate doing it at the opportune times, when the fit people in neighborhood are out in force. Getting lapped by a guy with one leg? Distressing.
I need some new weights, too. In fact, I'm already exceeding the point where 35lb. one-hand dumbbell I use for arm stuff seems at all heavy--I just keep adding reps to it. I dunno if that's considered good or not, but it's like a third of an attractive woman, so it can't be too bad.
What I really, really need is a bench and bar. But the cost is fucking outrageous.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 30, 2014, 08:13:28 PMI do work out, albeit not as regularly as discipline would demand. It does help my mood, a little. I want to run, but it's just the worst and I really hate doing it at the opportune times, when the fit people in neighborhood are out in force. Getting lapped by a guy with one leg? Distressing.
I need some new weights, too. In fact, I'm already exceeding the point where 35lb. one-hand dumbbell I use for arm stuff seems at all heavy--I just keep adding reps to it. I dunno if that's considered good or not, but it's like a third of an attractive woman, so it can't be too bad.
What I really, really need is a bench and bar. But the cost is fucking outrageous.
I'd try to get the lifting gear for pennies on the dollar at, say, garage sales?
Also, the exercise portion wrt general wellbeing is IMO about 20%, the meat, or 80% of fitness lies with your diet.
I adopted Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint dietary guidelines 3 years ago in a bid to lose the blubber. Following it did that very fast and well but it more importantly vastly improved my mood, my sleep and my life basically.
He's got a decent website at http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz36AzMsWXZ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz36AzMsWXZ).
I'm checking it out.
I've been trying to get serious about my protein intake. Turns out I was in fact wrong about hydrocarbons being interchangeable. :sadblush: Ever since I've made an effort to get at least a normal person's protein per day, I've been slowly but surely building some muscle mass, although no doubt the Paul Ryanesque physique you've acquired for yourself.
Turns out my red meat diet won't give me breast cancer. Radical?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 04, 2014, 09:20:32 PM
My gym is always open. :showoff:
Same, and most of the time I'm the only one there. :cool:
I have been lifting a lot. Muscles getting noticeably larger. :showoff:
Quote from: Ideologue on June 30, 2014, 08:44:38 PM
Turns out my red meat diet won't give me breast cancer. Radical?
:lol:
Try his newbs page and take it from there. Put it into play and observe the results.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/welcome-to-marks-daily-apple/?utm_source=mda_wwsgd&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=mda_wwsgd_start_here#axzz36AzMsWXZ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/welcome-to-marks-daily-apple/?utm_source=mda_wwsgd&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=mda_wwsgd_start_here#axzz36AzMsWXZ)
The good- today I hit 3 miles on the elliptical machine in 27 minutes. First mile 8:17. Both personal bests, well since high school at least.
The bad- At minute 34(I tend to go 35 minutes), my heart rate started spiking and it didn't stop even as I slowed way down. I slow walked on the treadmill for a bit, seemed ok. But then when I went and started lifting I felt really flushed and decided it was wiser to skip it.
Deadlifts are in and I'm smoked. Nothing, not even squatting heavy empties the tank like a good deadlift session.
Quotesquatting heavy empties the tank
Lol.
Serious knee problems. No squats or lunges. Ever. Make it difficutl to do deadlifts too. Fuck.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 23, 2014, 01:14:11 PM
Had a bad spell. Had a muscle pulled playing basketball and used that as a very convenient excuse to do even less. Now I need to get back on that horse.
I am happy to report that I started back at the gym that day - well really the boys dragged me back to the gym and I have been going 4 times/week since plus morning exercises every morning. I am down 10lbs and on my way back to fitness. Probably another few weeks before I am fit enough to hit the courts again without risk of reinjury.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 03, 2014, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 23, 2014, 01:14:11 PM
Had a bad spell. Had a muscle pulled playing basketball and used that as a very convenient excuse to do even less. Now I need to get back on that horse.
I am happy to report that I started back at the gym that day - well really the boys dragged me back to the gym and I have been going 4 times/week since plus morning exercises every morning. I am down 10lbs and on my way back to fitness. Probably another few weeks before I am fit enough to hit the courts again without risk of reinjury.
Excellent work. :cool:
Not doing a hell of a lot of anything myself at the moment.
I lost 8 pounds last month.
Back down to 171. Bleh.
FUCK. You're saying that just to hurt me. :(
Gallbladder attacks will melt the pounds off of you.
I ran a 10k today. Somewhat bittersweet. I've had as a running goal to run a sub 50 minute 10k for a while, but I don't run many races, and never have done it. Today I ran 49 min 31 sec, so that was one more item off the bucket list.
However, I ran a 22:00 min 5k earlier this year, so this wasn't a good race for me. I started too fast and walked a bit in three sections (~3-4 min total), which I sort of consider cheating. Not to mention a guy I work with rather closely ran it in 43 minutes.
Maybe my goal for next year will be 45 minutes.
QuoteHowever, I ran a 22:00 min 5k earlier this year, so this wasn't a good race for me. I started too fast and walked a bit in three sections (~3-4 min total), which I sort of consider cheating. Not to mention a guy I work with rather closely ran it in 43 minutes.
Kill him.
If that's too bloody-minded, suggest law school.
He is a number of notches above me in the food chain, too high up to consider law school. That only leaves me one option......to run faster.
Than the cops? It can be done. Remember to serpentine.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 04, 2014, 08:13:02 PM
Than the cops? It can be done. Remember to serpentine.
:lol:
A woman living below me that is battling a weight problem did the same 10k I did. It was her first 10k and her time was 1hr 50 minutes. The friends she did it with are now discussing a half marathon. :hmm:
Well, people don't typically walk 13 miles without some kind of external pressure.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 06, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Well, people don't typically walk 13 miles without some kind of external pressure.
I'm planning on doing just that as I need to be able to walk around some countryside and it's archeology, that's not easily accessible by train/bus or other vehicles. The most I've done recently/last15 years is about 5-6 miles. :blush:
I've entered a naked race round London Zoo next month. No, really. :blush:
:lol:
Quote from: Brazen on July 10, 2014, 05:49:44 AM
I've entered a naked race round London Zoo next month. No, really. :blush:
Hott.
Quote from: Brazen on July 10, 2014, 05:49:44 AM
I've entered a naked race round London Zoo next month. No, really. :blush:
Pics or it didn't happen.
Here are some SFW images of last year's. Google for the more full-frontal version.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/16/gallery-streak-for-tigers-naked-run-through-zsl-london-zoo-3925889/ (http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/16/gallery-streak-for-tigers-naked-run-through-zsl-london-zoo-3925889/)
My fitness sucks but my girlfriend is now a crazy HIIT freak. She's lost 20 lbs so far.
Another week into training. Down another 4 lbs but muscle mass is increasing so weight loss will probably slow down here on in. Down about an inch around the waist so I am in the awkward between sizes stage.
Weight is now 266. Lost 14 pounds in total since I started back. My playing weight was 240 so unlikely I am getting back down to that but I can try. :)
The past few days of packing have really shown me how silly watching the scales is. To weigh my bags and boxes and weighed myself and then weighed myself holding. I varied by 3 kg amongst the days.
But still I long to be under 80 again.
First ride in about a month today. Banged up shin and hurt knee meant nothing more than riding to and from work (maybe 4 miles each day). Today, I rode the normal route and did the hill twice. Fun, though it is hard to get back into riding shape after a layoff and there isn't the impetus of the beginning of the season to drive me. Man, 48 years old sucks.
I did deadlifts ysterday without bursting any discs.
Did 38-40 miles over the downs to my local city; not sure doing this at a pace in the early afternoon sunshine and mid-80s plus temperatures was such a good idea. :hmm:
Ended up having to make sure I didn't stop on the last section home, to avoid the risk of overheating.
Squat day went well, still alive.
Used four trains this afternoon, which entailed cycling 20 miles and walking 11-12 miles.
I'm hoping the walking endurance comes on leaps and bounds so I can do around 20 miles at a time by the start of autumn.
Quote from: Legbiter on July 12, 2014, 05:21:08 PM
Squat day went well, still alive.
I cant do squats very well these days. Kills my knees.
I went running yesterday. I quickly discovered why it was on the list of excersises I am not supposed to do. Fuckingknee.
Deadlift day is today. Wub you all guys if I don't make it back. :cry:
Quote from: Legbiter on July 15, 2014, 07:58:31 AM
Deadlift day is today. Wub you all guys if I don't make it back. :cry:
I will pray for you brother Legbiter.
I did stiff legged deads today. Still alive.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 30, 2014, 08:13:28 PM
I do work out, albeit not as regularly as discipline would demand. It does help my mood, a little. I want to run, but it's just the worst and I really hate doing it at the opportune times, when the fit people in neighborhood are out in force. Getting lapped by a guy with one leg? Distressing.
I need some new weights, too. In fact, I'm already exceeding the point where 35lb. one-hand dumbbell I use for arm stuff seems at all heavy--I just keep adding reps to it. I dunno if that's considered good or not, but it's like a third of an attractive woman, so it can't be too bad.
What I really, really need is a bench and bar. But the cost is fucking outrageous.
What you're doing is a hypertrophy type exercise if all you do is increase repetitions. It's not the best way to build strength, in fact there are limitations to how much strength it can build since it's the opposite of progressive loading. It can build muscle size, but even that is ultimately going to be limited by the lack of progressive loading.
Your intuition that you need a barbell is correct, as what you need to be doing if you're lifting weights is the big time, compound lifts, low reps (5 ish) for a few sets, increasing the weight every time you lift until you can't any more (with your shitty diet this will be in week two, for a person willing to eat it's 6-9 months out.)
Instead of a bench, check out "independent squat stands" or even just regular squat stands. They can be had for $150-225 starting price and they allow you to do other lifts other than the bench press (the least important, albeit still an important, of the compound barbell lifts.) But you'll need an independent bench as well, which sets you back another $150-200. Bar and plates is another $150-200.
If you have a Play it Again Sports franchise near you, they sell all of this stuff for a lot cheaper. Usually plate weights in the $0.50/lb range, bars in the $75-99 range, and benches/stands in the $100-150/pop range. You could get fully decked out with all you'd need for years to come for $350-500 depending on how lucky you get on finding shit.
I don't think his apartment has room for all that shit. Probably better to just go to the gym.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 15, 2014, 10:53:51 PM
I don't think his apartment has room for all that shit. Probably better to just go to the gym.
Yeah, I don't know Ide's living situation these days, I assume bleak/abysmal. But some people don't do well with gyms, if he or anyone else does join one I suggest staying away from CrossFit type gyms, or Planet Fitness, in most areas the YMCA actually is a very good option. If you want to lift seriously, you can, if you don't, you can do that too. The more serious lifting gyms run the casuals out, and the intentionally casual gyms like Planet Fitness will make you live if you exert too much effort while lifting weights.
And I actually mentioned independent squat stands because they are very small, they probably take up less than 20 sq.ft. when pushed up against the wall. If he has room for a bench he has room for these (http://amzn.com/B006CW02ZS) guys, and they're less than $200 new. You can do up to 500 lb squats or 250 lb bench in there, and honestly once/if you get past that point you're a serious enough weight lifter you probably should be going to a serious gym or be willing to invest real money in better equipment.
Also that has safeties for when you bench. Bench press is basically the only regular lift that any number of people actually die doing, and if someone is contemplating benching at home they either need a dedicated spotter who can deadlift as much as they're benching, or some system with safeties in place.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
Another week into training. Down another 4 lbs but muscle mass is increasing so weight loss will probably slow down here on in. Down about an inch around the waist so I am in the awkward between sizes stage.
Weight is now 266. Lost 14 pounds in total since I started back. My playing weight was 240 so unlikely I am getting back down to that but I can try. :)
Weekly update time. Weight holding steady at 266 but mid section slowly making its way back up to shoulders and biceps. I think I need to increase the intensity of my workouts now and increase the weight to maintain weight loss.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 16, 2014, 05:59:43 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2014, 10:46:46 PM
Another week into training. Down another 4 lbs but muscle mass is increasing so weight loss will probably slow down here on in. Down about an inch around the waist so I am in the awkward between sizes stage.
Weight is now 266. Lost 14 pounds in total since I started back. My playing weight was 240 so unlikely I am getting back down to that but I can try. :)
Weekly update time. Weight holding steady at 266 but mid section slowly making its way back up to shoulders and biceps. I think I need to increase the intensity of my workouts now and increase the weight to maintain weight loss.
:cool:
Does seem to be increasingly a battle against gravity, doesn't it.
Quote from: mongers on July 16, 2014, 06:28:07 PM
Does seem to be increasingly a battle against gravity, doesn't it.
Yep. If I could go back and tell my 30 something self one thing it would be to not stop working out so as to better prepare for when the wheels start falling off after hitting 40.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 16, 2014, 06:33:39 PM
Yep. If I could go back and tell my 30 something self one thing it would be to not stop working out so as to better prepare for when the wheels start falling off after hitting 40.
I'm going to take this advice to heart. :)
Quote from: Maladict on July 17, 2014, 04:43:28 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 16, 2014, 06:33:39 PM
Yep. If I could go back and tell my 30 something self one thing it would be to not stop working out so as to better prepare for when the wheels start falling off after hitting 40.
I'm going to take this advice to heart. :)
Yes it's good advice.
iirc my late 20s were a fitness low point for me, luckily I got a new bike six months after turning 30 and got back into cycling.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 15, 2014, 05:57:27 PMYour intuition that you need a barbell is correct, as what you need to be doing if you're lifting weights is the big time, compound lifts, low reps (5 ish) for a few sets, increasing the weight every time you lift until you can't any more (with your shitty diet this will be in week two, for a person willing to eat it's 6-9 months out.)
Yeah, I think Ide is noticing a glitch in the Matrix but if I could reach out and change just one thing I'd go lodge with him for a month and wean him off of that candied school cafeteria diet that he's surviving on. Everything else that follows will be 100 times easier and just outright enjoyable in and of itself.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 16, 2014, 06:33:39 PM
Quote from: mongers on July 16, 2014, 06:28:07 PM
Does seem to be increasingly a battle against gravity, doesn't it.
Yep. If I could go back and tell my 30 something self one thing it would be to not stop working out...
Point taken.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 14, 2014, 05:32:00 PMI cant do squats very well these days. Kills my knees.
Do you have any actual knee problems? If so, mind my asking what specifically? A lot of knee problems proper squatting you can actually improve it. I know people with double knee replacements who happily squat on a regular basis.
If you're just having pain in the knee from squatting but no injury or medical problem with your knees it could just be you're not squatting correctly. A lot of tall guys actually have form issues with both squats and deadlifts (among other lifts), because their anthropometry is really different from average height and shorter people (most guys over 6'4" a large portion of their height is in their legs vs trunk than for shorter persons, although some odd people particular those with pituitary gigantism have shorter person dimensions at great heights as their growth is not really part of the natural growth process for their bodies.) A lot of coaches/instructors/books etc that teach people how to squat don't properly show taller/longer legged people the actual right form as there are form concerns specific to taller persons. Many really tall guys are actually told they can never really do much serious lifting because of the mechanical disadvantages with long limbs and weight lifting (even though I can show you videos of 7' tall people deadlifting 800+ pounds.)
I only ask because for the barbell movements I'm a big advocate of the squat, done properly it's basically the best lift their is. Some people definitely can't do it, although typically it's actually hip issues that cannot be worked around that can sideline you from squatting and of course with elderly persons just general balance can be too poor to squat.
You are probably right about it being my form. As it turns out I am going to tag along with J today when he has a session with his lifting instructor and I will ask about that.
If you're doing traditional squats in my experience a lot of times knee pain comes from doing 3/4 squats instead of parallel (making the "angle" of your leg actually 90 degrees), while a lot of nonsense doctors and such that don't actually know physiology say all squatting is bad for you a proper depth squat uses the knee in a way that really shouldn't cause any problems. But if you stop at incomplete depth the patellar tendons and such are basically bracing against a heavy load in a way that can cause pain, potentially sprains/strains or ever worse with heavy enough weights / bad luck. A full depth squat you're bouncing back up off the stretch reflex of the hamstrings, which is a far bigger muscle to be helping out here instead of the knee musculature which is what gets involved with incomplete depth squatting. For myself, once you really learn the feel of the different muscle groups I always know I've not hit my depth when I feel any knee wobble at all, because that's a sign I've put stress onto the knee tendons instead of the hamstring.
The squat is really kind of a bitch of an exercise form wise, potentially the hardest non-Olympic lift out there in terms of what it takes to get it just perfect. I've been squatting (in my opinion) with great form for years, but I still have a bad form rep from time to time, it's just hard not to.
If you have concerns about squat form and want an easy alternative, front squats are generally really effective and the easiest to perform primarily because it's really obvious if you're doing them right or wrong. With the high-bar/low-bar back squat all kinds of difficult stuff in terms of properly setting the back, proper use of hips, proper back angle as you go down/up come into play and all the cues for getting those right take time/effort to learn. With the front squat you basically keep a vertical back all the way up/down, which eliminates much of the trouble.
Otto, you were absolutely right. I just wasn't doing it properly. J's trainer took some time to adjust some things and... no pain at all. He played Rugby in Aus before immigrating to Canada and was used to teaching tall guys proper technique. He knew exactly what you were talking about.
Thanks for the advice :cheers:
Excellent, glad to hear it. Most people will give up squatting at the least provocation, it's rare someone actually tries to fix their form and keep going with it :D.
I'm not surprised it was correctable, typically squat knee pain is, as is low back pain (from poor back angle.) Now, hip pain is usually not form related but deterioration related with the squat, and is not often correctable without a hip replacement.
I've really only been posting about this in TBR, but the past year or two I've been doing some rather aggressive hiking / basic mountaineering. I have a trip coming up in September. In the past I've prepped by regularly running and one day a week hiking up and down relatively small mountains in Georgia .
I want to get more training in, but adding more miles running can't be done (I start breaking down), and time wise I can't do more hiking. I'm spending some time on an exercise bike but I'm not sure if this is wasting my time. My theory for the bike is that it puts my quads through the paces a bit, and to a lesser extent is more cardio.
What do the gurus here think? Drop the exercise bike or keep it? Bring in something else?
Quote from: alfred russel on July 20, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
I've really only been posting about this in TBR, but the past year or two I've been doing some rather aggressive hiking / basic mountaineering. I have a trip coming up in September. In the past I've prepped by regularly running and one day a week hiking up and down relatively small mountains in Georgia .
I want to get more training in, but adding more miles running can't be done (I start breaking down), and time wise I can't do more hiking. I'm spending some time on an exercise bike but I'm not sure if this is wasting my time. My theory for the bike is that it puts my quads through the paces a bit, and to a lesser extent is more cardio.
What do the gurus here think? Drop the exercise bike or keep it? Bring in something else?
Try a mountain bike in some of the semi-challenging terrain/tracks you're already hiking on?
edit:Just to make clear I don't consider myself a guru with regard to anything, least of all proper exercise.
mongers, the problem is that it is really exercise bike or bust. For starters, I don't have a bike. But more importantly, I just don't have time to get out to a trail during weekdays.
At a more basic level, would biking really help hiking? It seems like it should. My quads burn a bit when I get off an exercise bike. Stronger quads seems like something that should help climbing. But I don't know that.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 20, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
mongers, the problem is that it is really exercise bike or bust. For starters, I don't have a bike. But more importantly, I just don't have time to get out to a trail during weekdays.
At a more basic level, would biking really help hiking? It seems like it should. My quads burn a bit when I get off an exercise bike. Stronger quads seems like something that should help climbing. But I don't know that.
I've been sort of wondering the reverse, can I cut back on cycling and get any good at walking/hiking.
Quote from: mongers on July 20, 2014, 06:19:17 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 20, 2014, 06:13:15 PM
mongers, the problem is that it is really exercise bike or bust. For starters, I don't have a bike. But more importantly, I just don't have time to get out to a trail during weekdays.
At a more basic level, would biking really help hiking? It seems like it should. My quads burn a bit when I get off an exercise bike. Stronger quads seems like something that should help climbing. But I don't know that.
I've been sort of wondering the reverse, can I cut back on cycling and get any good at walking/hiking.
I think the best way to get good at walking / hiking is to walk / hike. The same way the best way to get good at cycling is to cycle, and the best way to get good at running is to run.
So I think you will get better at hiking by hiking. I do think that running a bit is really key to get good at hiking. This is anecdotal, but it seems in the groups I've hiked with, the guys who run do better than the guys who cycle. That could be because an hour of cycling tends to be less intense than an hour of running among the amateur crowd, and may not apply to people that take cycling more seriously. But nevertheless, I think the best thing to do is hike. I've been hiking with people that left me in their dust, but who I can outrun by a good margin. Those are the people that hike more than me.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 20, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
I've really only been posting about this in TBR, but the past year or two I've been doing some rather aggressive hiking / basic mountaineering. I have a trip coming up in September. In the past I've prepped by regularly running and one day a week hiking up and down relatively small mountains in Georgia .
I want to get more training in, but adding more miles running can't be done (I start breaking down), and time wise I can't do more hiking. I'm spending some time on an exercise bike but I'm not sure if this is wasting my time. My theory for the bike is that it puts my quads through the paces a bit, and to a lesser extent is more cardio.
What do the gurus here think? Drop the exercise bike or keep it? Bring in something else?
Extra time running or hiking isnt going to help you anyway. You need to increase the intensity of your workouts not the length so that mere hiking up a mountain will seem easy.
I would suggest intense sessions of ladder work mixed with weights. The key is to keep your heart rate up throughout - thats where the ladder work comes in and the weights to build endurance - deadlifts (and ironically squats) will really help if you do them with a high heart rate. You could also do hill running - sprint up a steep hill, walk or jog down and repeat. Stair running also will do it if you have a long set of stairs that you can run up. The key is the intensity not the length of the work out.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 20, 2014, 06:29:37 PM
I think the best way to get good at walking / hiking is to walk / hike. The same way the best way to get good at cycling is to cycle, and the best way to get good at running is to run.
Nope, that is the slowest way to improve. You will only be as good as the toughtest hike you do regularly. Do intense training and those tough walks will be very easy.
Think of it this way, athletes don't get fit just playing their sport. Basketball coaches reward their players for a good practice session with a scrimage at the end of practice because that is easy compared to what they have had to endure beforehand.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 20, 2014, 06:36:45 PM
Extra time running or hiking isnt going to help you anyway. You need to increase the intensity of your workouts not the length so that mere hiking up a mountain will seem easy.
I would suggest intense sessions of ladder work mixed with weights. The key is to keep your heart rate up throughout - thats where the ladder work comes in and the weights to build endurance - deadlifts (and ironically squats) will really help if you do them with a high heart rate. You could also do hill running - sprint up a steep hill, walk or jog down and repeat. Stair running also will do it if you have a long set of stairs that you can run up. The key is the intensity not the length of the work out.
CC, I don't know...I don't have all the answers, that is why I'm posting here, but I made a conscious decision to avoid incorporating weights into cardio or for my legs. On my biggest day, I'm going to be doing a 12 hr push. My heartrate will be up the whole time, or at least during the ascent phase. This is what I've planned out (I'm excluding upper body work, which is a lot less in any case). All of these get my heart rate up, especially the running (I generally stay above my target heartrate when running).
Again, I could be wrong, but it seems the more high intensity burst workouts you suggest are well suited to a sport like basketball or soccer where the duration is less and quickness is at a premium (you need the fast twitch fibers going). What I'm doing is all about slow twitch fibers and endurance over a long period.
I did plan on starting trail running this year, but I didn't. If I started it now, I would have to drop the hiking I've mentioned below.
Monday
off
Tuesday - Thursday
50 min exercise bike (in the morning)
6 mile run (~8 min / mile) (in the evening)
Friday
10-12 mile run (~8:45 min / mile)
Saturday
50 min exercise bike
Sunday
hiking (up and down Stone Mountain, currently going for ~5600 ft ascent / descent, hoping to go for a ~8000 ft ascent / descent before leaving)
I should add that if I stay with the plan and if history is a guide, I'm going to miss ~1 run a week and probably half the exercise bike time. I tend to oversleep many mornings.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 20, 2014, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 20, 2014, 06:36:45 PM
Extra time running or hiking isnt going to help you anyway. You need to increase the intensity of your workouts not the length so that mere hiking up a mountain will seem easy.
I would suggest intense sessions of ladder work mixed with weights. The key is to keep your heart rate up throughout - thats where the ladder work comes in and the weights to build endurance - deadlifts (and ironically squats) will really help if you do them with a high heart rate. You could also do hill running - sprint up a steep hill, walk or jog down and repeat. Stair running also will do it if you have a long set of stairs that you can run up. The key is the intensity not the length of the work out.
CC, I don't know...I don't have all the answers, that is why I'm posting here, but I made a conscious decision to avoid incorporating weights into cardio or for my legs.
Why? All you are going to do is modestly improve your cardio. If you really want to improve your conditioning and your endurance you shouldnt just do more of what you can already do.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 20, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
I've really only been posting about this in TBR, but the past year or two I've been doing some rather aggressive hiking / basic mountaineering. I have a trip coming up in September. In the past I've prepped by regularly running and one day a week hiking up and down relatively small mountains in Georgia .
I want to get more training in, but adding more miles running can't be done (I start breaking down), and time wise I can't do more hiking. I'm spending some time on an exercise bike but I'm not sure if this is wasting my time. My theory for the bike is that it puts my quads through the paces a bit, and to a lesser extent is more cardio.
What do the gurus here think? Drop the exercise bike or keep it? Bring in something else?
What kind of strength training are you doing for your legs? If you're serious about a certain type of activity, strength training will almost
always make you better at it. It's a concept even some very good athletes fail to recognize. But basically imagine each step you take while doing a rough hike uses say, 0.5% of your "potential" energy, if you make your legs stronger through strength training, each step may only use say, 0.25% of your "potential" energy. Do you see how that can actually make you able to go farther before getting tired? Because you exert less effort per step.
Marathon running is a good example, most failures of marathon running are actually failures of strength. While it requires great cardiovascular endurance to finish a marathon, you can basically just walk for awhile and still finish if your endurance isn't where it needs to be. But if your legs are too weak you'll hit a point at a certain mile where you basically can't continue physically. That happens because of a lack of strength.
Some of the best endurance athletes are those that understand strength is part of all endurance activities.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 20, 2014, 06:29:37 PMI think the best way to get good at walking / hiking is to walk / hike. The same way the best way to get good at cycling is to cycle, and the best way to get good at running is to run.
You can't get good at something without doing it. But it's a common fallacy that your best time spent training for a given activity is always that activity. General strength training for example contributes to all physical activity. Endurance training can contribute greatly to activities like wrestling/boxing. Yeah you probably shouldn't be getting serious about hiking without ever hiking, but other forms of training are very important.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 20, 2014, 06:36:45 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 20, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
I've really only been posting about this in TBR, but the past year or two I've been doing some rather aggressive hiking / basic mountaineering. I have a trip coming up in September. In the past I've prepped by regularly running and one day a week hiking up and down relatively small mountains in Georgia .
I want to get more training in, but adding more miles running can't be done (I start breaking down), and time wise I can't do more hiking. I'm spending some time on an exercise bike but I'm not sure if this is wasting my time. My theory for the bike is that it puts my quads through the paces a bit, and to a lesser extent is more cardio.
What do the gurus here think? Drop the exercise bike or keep it? Bring in something else?
Extra time running or hiking isnt going to help you anyway. You need to increase the intensity of your workouts not the length so that mere hiking up a mountain will seem easy.
I would suggest intense sessions of ladder work mixed with weights. The key is to keep your heart rate up throughout - thats where the ladder work comes in and the weights to build endurance - deadlifts (and ironically squats) will really help if you do them with a high heart rate. You could also do hill running - sprint up a steep hill, walk or jog down and repeat. Stair running also will do it if you have a long set of stairs that you can run up. The key is the intensity not the length of the work out.
Yep, CC is spot on here. I surprised many of my friends on a long hike on the Appalachian Trail a few years ago because unlike my wife I wasn't a part of their regular hiking/running group. But I do sets of full intensity sprints/sled pushes a few times a week and lift weights very aggressively. Fairly difficult trail hiking simply did not tire me out, my legs are very strong and I'm adapted to the sort of short bursts of energy required on the toughest parts of the trail from sprinting.
As for the lower intensity parts of hiking, typically if you've been doing any kind of serious training you're adapted in a way suitable to get you through that sort of low intensity cardio.
I agree. Most of my training is not outdoors on the bike, but fairly brutal, short indoor cycling sessions. I don't find I'm having trouble on the long outdoor trips.
The only downside I notice on long cycling trips is that my body isn't used to burning fuel economically. As long as I keep force-feeding myself continuously, I'm fine. Stop eating for half an hour, and it's crash and burn.
I'd actually drop the bike and add resistance training. It can be bodyweight if you don't want to lug barbells. Here's the routine my running guru gym trainer gave me for glutes and core:
TRX squats (could be prisoner squats if no TRX)
Skater lunges
Single-leg bridges
Pendulums (stand on one leg and lean forward while lifting your other leg until your torso and leg and parallel to the floor - holding kettlebell optional)
Groiners: http://www.menshealth.com/celebrity-fitness/exercise-detail.php?91 (http://www.menshealth.com/celebrity-fitness/exercise-detail.php?91)
Russian twists
Heel touches
Reverse crunches
But if you really want to stick to endurance training only, make it activity-specific. Is there a climbing wall near you or can you get to a gym with a step-mill or climber? Failing that, walk or run up steps in a sports stadium or a tower block, like every sports movie you've ever seen! If you want recovery cardio, make it swimming rather than another leg thing.
Also stretch. A lot. Not just 2 minutes at the end of your workout, but a good 30 mins to an hour of dedicated stretching, Pilates or yoga a couple of times a week. You can get very tight around the hips and glutes and throw out your back, hips or knee. I know, I didn't practice what I preach and I can barely walk with crippling hip/lower back pain after a race yesterday :Embarrass:
Quote from: Maladict on July 21, 2014, 02:50:15 AM
I agree. Most of my training is not outdoors on the bike, but fairly brutal, short indoor cycling sessions. I don't find I'm having trouble on the long outdoor trips.
The only downside I notice on long cycling trips is that my body isn't used to burning fuel economically. As long as I keep force-feeding myself continuously, I'm fine. Stop eating for half an hour, and it's crash and burn.
Not noticed this*.
* probably because I never seem to go further than 60-65 miles. :D
Quote from: mongers on July 21, 2014, 05:29:01 AM
Not noticed this*.
* probably because I never seem to go further than 60-65 miles. :D
I won't make it to 60 miles without taking food with me.
Maybe it's just my metabolism.
Quote from: Maladict on July 21, 2014, 05:48:45 AM
Quote from: mongers on July 21, 2014, 05:29:01 AM
Not noticed this*.
* probably because I never seem to go further than 60-65 miles. :D
I won't make it to 60 miles without taking food with me.
Maybe it's just my metabolism.
No I meant I never go over 60-65 miles. :D
That must be my limit, one day I need to find out what balance of effort, food intake and hydration is necessary to go further. Think I'll try and do something further in September.
I think you probably have a pretty normal metabolism.
Normal for dudes who go on hundred mile bike trips.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 20, 2014, 10:46:37 PM
What kind of strength training are you doing for your legs? If you're serious about a certain type of activity, strength training will almost always make you better at it.
This is the crux of what I'm asking.
Last year I committed to focus on the leg press. But then this year I decided on the exercise bike with a decent amount of resistance instead. There are a few reasons why:
-I have an exercise bike at home, which means I don't have to be at the gym (which is very helpful because some days I'm doing two workouts, and practically I need to do one at home).
-I'm only running 4 days a week, and I'm hoping to do a marathon in the not too distant future. The cardio helps. It also puts me 2/3 of a way to triathlon training.
-I still get the burn in my quads from biking, similar to leg press. Does that mean both are helpful? (I don't know, that is why I asked)
Also, I am going up and down a small mountain. Right now I'm doing 5600 ft. up and down. I'm hoping to increase that to 8000ft over ~10 hrs. That shouldn't be overlooked--it is quite intense.
Quote from: Brazen on July 21, 2014, 04:25:27 AM
I'd actually drop the bike and add resistance training. It can be bodyweight if you don't want to lug barbells. Here's the routine my running guru gym trainer gave me for glutes and core:
TRX squats (could be prisoner squats if no TRX)
Skater lunges
Single-leg bridges
Pendulums (stand on one leg and lean forward while lifting your other leg until your torso and leg and parallel to the floor - holding kettlebell optional)
Groiners: http://www.menshealth.com/celebrity-fitness/exercise-detail.php?91 (http://www.menshealth.com/celebrity-fitness/exercise-detail.php?91)
Russian twists
Heel touches
Reverse crunches
But if you really want to stick to endurance training only, make it activity-specific. Is there a climbing wall near you or can you get to a gym with a step-mill or climber? Failing that, walk or run up steps in a sports stadium or a tower block, like every sports movie you've ever seen! If you want recovery cardio, make it swimming rather than another leg thing.
Also stretch. A lot. Not just 2 minutes at the end of your workout, but a good 30 mins to an hour of dedicated stretching, Pilates or yoga a couple of times a week. You can get very tight around the hips and glutes and throw out your back, hips or knee. I know, I didn't practice what I preach and I can barely walk with crippling hip/lower back pain after a race yesterday :Embarrass:
Some of those are out. A part of my new year's resolution was to go to a climbing gym once a week. That hasn't happened. There just isn't time. Same with a pool. I don't have practical access.
Right now what I outlined takes the following time (assuming I don't miss workouts, which I do from time to time):
bike: 4 hrs / week
run: 5 hrs / week
hike: 8-10 hrs / week
Plus a bit of upper body strength training not under discussion.
Realistically, that is all the time I have. Anything coming in means something coming out. I'll go through the posts again later day and come up with an alternate plan (I'm supposed to be working right now :P).
A couple things AF. First, leg presses on a machine dont do much for you or at least not nearly as much as other resistance training. All it does is focus on your big muscles without strengthing our core and supporting muscles - which is really what you need.
Second, we are all essentially telling you the same thing. You keep saying you want advice but you don't seem to understand what we are saying to you. Its not about the time you put in. Its about the intensity and resistance (weight training) with your heart rate kept up so you increase your strength and endurance.
You would be better off if you cut down on all the hours you are spending hiking. Your body is already used to doing that and you wont see much improvement. You will just maintain your current level of fitness.
If you do an intense work out, it will only take about 6 hours per week max for you to get into great shape. That is assuming you do it for one hour six days a week. But the catch is you really have to push yourself for that one hour.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 21, 2014, 02:13:02 PM
You would be better off if you cut down on all the hours you are spending hiking.
I'm only hiking one day a week. Also, I've seen things like going up and down stairs...but keep in mind that my hiking is going up and down a (very) small mountain. I'm currently doing 5,600 vertical feet of ascent and descent, and hoping to get to 8,000. 8,000 vertical feet is the equivalent of going up and down the empire state building about 6 and a half times.
Anyway...I'm going to drop a bunch of the exercise bike time and replace it with resistance training, and maybe a bit of yoga. Probably not yoga ( :P). Squats, lunges, leg press...No leg press? I can also add in some stair work with pace. Maybe at lunch climb my building as fast as possible (it is 26 stories)? Hopefully I won't sweat too much.
It sounds like you're somewhat committed to doing your own thing, and that's fine. But what I'd advise specifically:
1. If you feel you need to do a big long hike, do it once every other week. You're already adapted to that hike because you're doing it every week, if you do it once every other week you will not become any less adapted to it and it should fulfill what I believe is your belief you need to be hiking a lot.
2. You need to have some coherent cardio plan, I am not sure what cycling 4 hr / week and running 5 hr / week looks like. Maybe you explained it but I apologize I didn't go over your post with great precision atm. Training is having a consistent idea as to what you will do, and then doing it. You should never start a training session without knowing exactly what you're doing and why. Will flesh this out at the end.
3. To expand on what CC said. Leg presses isolate the legs from the rest of the body, in the real world almost all human physical activity involves the leg muscles being used in conjunction with the rest of the body. Exercises like the squat, where you are required to put a barbell on your back and balance it force involvement of all core muscles. There are lots of people with weak cores who do machine circuits. There has never been a person who squats 400 lbs and has a weak core, because you will literally collapse just trying to stand with the barbell on your shoulders at that weight if you have not learned how to utilize your core to hold the bar up. [There is no risk of this in actuality, because no one squats 400 pounds without first squatting 100 pounds, and as you develop the ability to squat body weight and beyond this comes naturally.]
When you eventually go on your big planned hike, your entire body is going to be working in a fairly natural way as a unified machine. You want to train that as best you can, and the big compound barbell movements are the best form of training the muscular system for that. [There are endurance adaptations that must occur as well, which goes without saying.] Not to the total exclusion of practical hiking experience, but as a strong augmentation. Why? Primarily because hiking is not progressively loadable.
Both hiking and barbell training use the body's muscular (and skeletal system.) Both activities force adaptation of the body. The difference is the speed of these adaptations and where they stop. With hiking, if you hike the same trail each week, in roughly the same amount of time, then after a brief number of repetitions you've adapted to that activity as much as you ever will. You can then either increase the distance you go, or decrease the time in which you are completing the hike. But if it's over treacherous terrain there is most likely going to be a hard cap on how fast you can reasonably complete the same course.
Barbell training is like hiking in that it forces an adaptation of the muscular/skeletal system. However, where it differs is it is progressively loadable. Unlike the hike, where the best form of "progressive load" is actually altering the actual activity every week (because a different course or a faster motion through the course is not actually the same activity per se.), with barbell movements simply adding more plates is adding more load. The more load, the more you adapt. If you're adapted to a 225 lb squat, you then force your body to adapt to a 230 lb squat. Due to this unique combination of full-body adaptation and progressive loading, barbell training is truly the best form of training there is for almost all physical activity. In many activities this is simply understood and accepted. Almost all competitive sports from swimming to soccer incorporate some element of barbell training into the strength and conditioning program. In many of the sports it is only given lip service, because what barbell training improves is general strength, and in many sports strength takes a back seat to other skill based attributes. But for those willing to bother, being stronger always makes them better. Wayne Gretzky was not a big guy, nor was it required that he be tremendously strong to be a good hockey player, but as good as he was he almost certainly would have been a little bit better if he had been stronger.
Specific Cardio I would do:
Semi-weekly hike as you were doing (mostly because I doubt you'll even agree to drop it to semi-weekly)
3x a week do HIIT training. I recommended using a rowing machine, sprinting, or pushing what's called a Prowler, you may/probably do not have access to one. If you don't have access to the facilities for anything but an exercise bike, this can be done on an exercise bike. Your HIIT training including rest intervals should take no more than 20 minutes. I can go into further detail on this if you need.
2x a week do LISS - Low Intensity Steady State cardio. This is most likely what you're doing now, you can do it for as long as you feel necessary. I don't think it's that necessary at all, but I feel you'd comply better if you're doing the cardio you "believe" you need to be doing.
Weight Training: I don't really know what you're willing to do. If you're willing to do an actual squat program, squat with a barbell 2-3 times per week (yes, you can squat that often unless you're an experienced, adapted lifter.) Do the appropriate weight for a 5 x 5 set. That should basically be enough that on the 5th rep of each set you should feel the world is about to collapse around you from the strain of finishing the rep. Don't lift to fail, but that last rep should be very hard and extremely unpleasant. For someone I can tell is dubious of the value of strength training I'd recommend this simple 3 day lifting schedule:
(n x y refers to n = reps, y = sets)
Week 1
Day 1: Squat 5x5, Back Extensions 10 x 3, Chin-ups 12-15 x 3
Day 2: Squat 5x5, Deadlift 5 x 1
Day 3: Squat 5x5, Back Extensions 10 x 3, Chin-ups 12-15 x 3
Week 2
Day 1: Squat 5x5, Power Clean 5 x 5
Day 2: Squat 5x5, Back Extensions 10 x 3, Chin-ups 12-15 x 3
Day 3: Squat 5x5, Deadlift 5 x 1
For Back Extensions and Chin-ups, eventually the rep scheme will be very easy. Do not increase reps, instead do the exercises weighted, and increase weight as you can. The adaptation of being able to do 20+ Chin-ups or large numbers of unweighted back extensions are limited compared to the value from being able to do those reps with progressively greater resistance. You can do pull ups instead of chin ups if you wish, I prefer chin-ups as they involve more muscles.
This is essentially half a program, focusing on whole body (leg focused) lifts like the squat and then stuff that is going to really work your full body core strength. It omits a lot of things that involve specifically the upper body in terms of weighted progress (Chin-ups obviously involve upper body) because you've indicated you're doing your own thing for that. This is mainly crafted for someone I don't think will be much interested in it, but in such a way if you give it a try I think it avoids the things you really don't want to do.
Some rules for using this: You will likely skip work outs based on your posts about being busy and such. If this happens do it intelligently. Let's say you use a simply M/W/F for your Day 1 2 3, if you do Day 1, Week 1 on Monday, then can't lift on Wednesday, then you lift on Thursday or Friday instead, do the Day 2, Week 1, stuff. If you "skip" and go to Day 3, Week 2 you skip dead lifting for that entire week.
Some further notes:
1. These sessions of resistance training will probably take ~60 minutes if done properly. Why so long? Anything involving a barbell, you need to do warm-up sets. They are not part of the scheme I listed, but occur before those sets. If you're squatting 165, you should do something like:
45 x 5 x 2
75 x 5 x 1
105 x 3 x 1
135 x 2 x 1
165 x 5 x 5
Squat weight for starters tends to vary a lot, if you've been doing a lot of leg presses and other leg work your initial squats could be high. Leg presses can help build the squat to a point, because the legs are the main engines of the squat. But, since leg presses have not adapted all the other muscles involved in the squat, someone who has been doing them heavy should take great caution, as you will be in a situation where your legs can squat more weight (by far) than your back, abdominal etc muscles can safely support during the lift. This will lead to your chest not staying up, and your back rounding, which puts dangerous stresses on the lumbar spine and is the source of many squat injuries. I don't want to scare anyone of the squat, but consult some trusted video resources and make sure you actually know how to do the squat. Since almost all warm ups I do are with an empty bar (excepting power cleans and deadlifts which are inconvenient to do with an empty bar), your first time squatting just "notice" when you're warming up when the weight is at a point where you feel that you cannot keep proper form without great effort. Make that your starting weight and increase the weight ~10 pounds a session always maintaining form.
2. Marathon runners are the first to denounce weight training. In general this is because marathon running is an extremely specific adaptation to basically one thing: marathon running. It's one of the few endeavors that is truly incompatible with weight training. Primarily because the large amount of LISS cardio required to get in marathon shape is almost impossible to do while also building/maintaining muscle mass. I dislike distance running for this reason, it is deleterious to your strength. Not that no muscular or strong people have ever ran marathons--they have. But anyone who lives the marathon lifestyle for long enough has to choose between strength and running marathon distances.
Something like intense hiking can and is done by strong people, I've done it and many far stronger lifters than myself enjoy vigorous/difficult hikes.
3. Because marathon runners are strangely held up as the idealized form of fitness, the nonsense that makes for good marathon running has polluted many other fields where it doesn't belong. A common fallacy spread by this school of thought is more muscle mass = more weight to move, and thus makes you less capable. This is ridiculous. That's like saying a Corvette is going to move slower than a Focus because the Corvette's engine is bigger. You hear collegiate level coaches in many sports repeat this nonsense, and the state of collegiate and Olympic coaching in the United States is very poor in many sports (most specifically Olympic weightlifting, a sport we've not done well at in decades.) In many sports the best athletes are big strong guys, even in sports you may not immediately associate with strength. Have you taken a look at Lebron James lately? Lebron is not built like a distance runner, he's built like someone who hits weights seriously and on a regular basis. Beyond the level at which we're talking about in this thread (professional athlete) the more general strength program (only half of which I've laid out) I advocate for general strength isn't appropriate and you'd need a more specialized lifting program which I assume Lebron follows.
Had an awesome workout of squats, deadlifts, standing rows with a bunch of ladder work and core in between sets.
Thanks again Otto :)
I cycled about 30-40 km today. It was over 30 degrees. Ouch.
Quote from: Tyr on July 26, 2014, 11:57:40 AM
I cycled about 30-40 km today. It was over 30 degrees. Ouch.
:cool: and not so :cool:, I can't take the heat either.
Very interesting article:
Link (http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psmag.com%2Fnavigation%2Fhealth-and-behavior%2Fhalf-lifts-workout-says-social-class-85221%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFhiaIuPFxV9Wlz8_UUZPqvtaJXng)
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How the Other Half Lifts: What Your Workout Says About Your Social Class
BY DANIEL DUANE • July 23, 2014 • 6:00 AM
Why can't triathletes and weightlifters get along?
I first heard the term strength sports—referring to football, weightlifting, and any other sport dependent upon sheer muscular force—in my early 40s. I'd spent half a lifetime dedicated to athletics more common among urban liberals like myself—jogging, cycling, swimming, pursuing cardiovascular fitness instead of brute force. But then somebody told me that these so-called endurance sports do little to counter the muscle-wasting sarcopenia and bone loss we all suffer in middle age.
One way to slow that slip into frailty, it turns out, is by lifting weights, forcing your body to increase bone density and muscle fiber. So I bought a book by a Texas gym owner named Mark Rippetoe titled Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training. I learned to squat, deadlift, and bench press. I came to love the emotional catharsis of channeling aggression into the bar. I made new friends: A former Force Recon marine chatted with me between lifts, describing the first Gulf War and how he'd nearly died falling from a helicopter; a massively muscled, bald kickboxer, who happened also to be a handsome gay biotech lawyer, stood behind me during bench press sessions, fingers under the bar, making sure I didn't hurt myself.
I adored lifting with these men. It was the happiest I had ever been in a gym. A faster runner abandons you; a stronger lifter hangs out, kindly critiques your form, and waits his turn. My strength numbers shot upward, and so did my body weight: 190 pounds, 200, 210, 215. I bought baggy pants and shirts. Walking down the sidewalk, I felt confident. At parties with my wife, I saw men who ran marathons, and they looked gaunt and weak. I could have squashed them.
Soon, however, I suffered a creeping insecurity. Looking into the eyes of a banker with soft hands, I imagined him thinking, You deluded moron, what does muscle have to do with anything?
One day, a skinny triathlete jogged past our house: visor, fancy sunglasses, GPS watch. I caught a look of yearning in my wife's eyes. That night, we fought and she confessed: She couldn't help it, she liked me better slender.
Friends came for dinner. A public-interest lawyer, noticing I was bigger, asked what I'd been up to.
"I'm really into lifting weights right now," I said. "Trying to get strong."
The lawyer's wife, a marathoner and family therapist, appeared startled, as if concerned about my emotional state. She looked me in the eye and said, "Why?"
Sociologists, it turns out, have studied these covert athletic biases. Carl Stempel, for example, writing in the International Review for the Sociology of Sport, argues that upper middle class Americans avoid "excessive displays of strength," viewing the bodybuilder look as vulgar overcompensation for wounded manhood. The so-called dominant classes, Stempel writes—especially those like my friends and myself, richer in fancy degrees than in actual dollars—tend to express dominance through strenuous aerobic sports that display moral character, self-control, and self-development, rather than physical dominance. By chasing pure strength, in other words, packing on all that muscle, I had violated the unspoken prejudices—and dearly held self-definitions—of my social group.
For a while I fought back, cursing the moronic snobbery that, at some self-hating level, I shared. I thought of doubling down by entering a powerlifting competition.
Rippetoe visited my gym one day. I liked him immensely—funny, eccentric, a brilliant technique coach. He told me that to become competitive, I would have to get vastly bigger—to something like 275 pounds. But I didn't want to be 275 pounds. I love my wife dearly. I didn't want to become less attractive to her, and I was already too heavy for the running, biking, and swimming that I'd long enjoyed and now missed. For a short time I tried to have it both ways: I signed up for the Escape From Alcatraz Triathlon; bought a visor, fancy sunglasses, and a GPS watch; and told myself I would somehow maintain my hard-won muscular strength throughout triathlon training.
Jogging up our block, however, for that first run, I discovered that heavy weightlifting makes endurance workouts deeply unpleasant. My legs felt like dead tree trunks. The next day, when I tried to do squats, I learned that running undermines strength gains. It turns out that these two physical adaptations—like liberal and conservative political leanings, or elitist and working class cultural affinities—do not easily cohabit inside one human being (despite the excellent exception embodied by my kickboxing, bodybuilding, tech-lawyering gay friend).
I mentioned this to a legendary strength coach named Dan John, who'd once deadlifted 628 pounds. "I trained for a triathlon once," John said over lunch. "I'll never do that again." He shook his head as if still emotionally traumatized by the loss of muscle and strength he'd suffered during all that cardio work.
In the end I made the same basic decision that Dan John had made, defaulting to the familiar sports I'd grown up with. In my case, that meant adopting what Stempel calls "the most class exclusive approach to strength-building," one that "moderately incorporates strength into a sporting lifestyle." Backing off the weights and ramping up the running, biking, and swimming, I lost 30 pounds of muscle in three months. I loved Escape From Alcatraz so much that I'm still doing triathlons three years later. My wife does seem to like me a little better, and sometimes I think our friends even respect me more. But I can't stop thinking I've betrayed Rippetoe, and I dearly miss the Force Recon marine. I miss the biotech lawyer, too, and no matter what I'm supposed to feel about physical dominance or moral character, I dearly miss feeling huge walking down the street.
Now, here's what I have to say about this. Firstly, the tldr is, "Liberal weenie got into weight lifting and got big and strong, but his wife wanted a little waifish twink marathon runner so he let all his muscle atrophy away and started doing immense amounts of cardio again."
This guy is doing it wrong. Firstly, while I personally am familiar with Rippetoe's system, Rippetoe is slightly overrated and also has an ego larger than the State of Texas. Rippetoe's book and his system is primarily a rip off of Bill Starr's 1970s 5x5 program (of which a modified / reduced version I recommended upthread), but I use "rip off" lightly because Rippetoe actually says in his book "this is just a new take on Bill Starr's 5x5." Where Rippetoe, and really it's not strictly Rippetoe but the people who are in the Rippetoe/Starting Strength "sphere" goes too far is in thinking his program is for everyone, it really isn't.
His program is ideally for a 15 year old, underweight kid, who wants to go out for football. It'll take that kid and turn him into a big 15 year old kid who is very, very strong. But to get there, all they can do is Rippetoe's program for 6-8 months. It's a novice strength training program, designed to take advantage of the ease with which novices can increase strength progressively. Rippetoe strongly advocates doing no cardio, and no real exertion during the novice period. Dan Duane (author of this article) took that to heart, and got very good results. However, Duane missed some key details. Namely, that Rippetoe even says in his book if you're into sports, then once you're done with novice progression you need to figure out how to use the strength you've built along with participating/practicing for your sport.
Dan Duane on the other hand felt he couldn't lift weights and do anything else for the rest of his life. This is simply not true, once he was done with his initial strength building, he should have left the novice program (which overworks you anyway once you are adapted to lifting) and probably gone to a system where he lifts every 48 hours, but only 1 out of every 2 is a "heavy" day. He also would reduce the amount of lifting done in each session, but still kept the weight up. This will be possible for him because as an "adapted" lifter, he needs more layoffs and less volume anyway to continue maintain his strength. Instead he basically tried to maintain a novice lifting program while also doing heavy involvement in other stuff, and sure enough it was deleterious to both.
It's not either or, if it was, then no football or basketball player could lift weights and be strong but also play their sport, and we know that is not the way things work.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 26, 2014, 05:53:52 PM
It's not either or, if it was, then no football or basketball player could lift weights and be strong but also play their sport, and we know that is not the way things work.
I was giving some thought to this; why in the strength vs. cardio so many people gravitate to cardio.
This is my theory. There aren't many ways to do things, or have achievements, through strength alone. You can't go to work and announce "hey I benched 250!" without looking like a prick. Middle aged guys tend not to play tackle football or similar sports, so I'm not sure where you deploy that ability.
That isn't the case with cardio. There are fundraisers around people running marathons, half marathons, or triathlons. Plus you can catalog those achievements. You ran in the Boston Marathon? People will tell you that is awesome, even if the current day version of you couldn't sniff the qualification time. I'm not sure that you get the same cache telling people that 10 years ago you used to be able to bench 1.5 times your weight, but now can't get up half that. Also, cardio is very transferable to other achievements. Want to tackle the Inca Trail, Kilimanjaro, Annapurna, Mount Ranier, Everest Base Camp, etc? Those things are all about cardio. (a guy I know did an advanced version of the Annapurna circuit, and loves to tell the story of a body builder that signed up and washed out in two days because he basically never did cardio)
For my money, the most impressive feats require a lot of strength and cardio. For example, McKinley usually requires a person to move 100+ pounds of gear between a pack and sled. That is a brutal way to go up a mountain. I have more respect for the guys that do that than the ones that climb everest (who generally have sherpas to carry most of the gear). I don't know anyone that has made it to the top of mckinley though. On a lot of mountains in the third world, you can hire people to carry the gear for basically nothing, and in the first world, there are often hut systems that are resupplied by helicopter so you can replenish supplies without carrying them yourself.
Quote from: Tyr on July 26, 2014, 11:57:40 AM
I cycled about 30-40 km today. It was over 30 degrees. Ouch.
I know ovb will disapprove, but I just finished a 7 hour hike and at the end the temperature was 95F/35C (it was much cooler at the start). I'm not sure how safe that is. Winter can't get here fast enough.
Weirdly I was at my fittest when I had an office job a few years back. I used to go to the gym more or less every night after work.
Planning to start getting back into that routine this week now I'm back at an office job. I'll be going to one nearby I can use (a recently renovated 19th century Turkish Baths!) rather than our company gym.
I'm not sure I'm ready (or fit enough - in all ways) to be entirely comfortable in various states of sweaty undress with colleagues/superiors.
But it does look amazing :mmm:
Quote from: alfred russel on July 27, 2014, 03:16:41 PMI was giving some thought to this; why in the strength vs. cardio so many people gravitate to cardio.
This is my theory. There aren't many ways to do things, or have achievements, through strength alone. You can't go to work and announce "hey I benched 250!" without looking like a prick. Middle aged guys tend not to play tackle football or similar sports, so I'm not sure where you deploy that ability.
That isn't the case with cardio. There are fundraisers around people running marathons, half marathons, or triathlons. Plus you can catalog those achievements. You ran in the Boston Marathon? People will tell you that is awesome, even if the current day version of you couldn't sniff the qualification time. I'm not sure that you get the same cache telling people that 10 years ago you used to be able to bench 1.5 times your weight, but now can't get up half that. Also, cardio is very transferable to other achievements. Want to tackle the Inca Trail, Kilimanjaro, Annapurna, Mount Ranier, Everest Base Camp, etc? Those things are all about cardio. (a guy I know did an advanced version of the Annapurna circuit, and loves to tell the story of a body builder that signed up and washed out in two days because he basically never did cardio)
For my money, the most impressive feats require a lot of strength and cardio. For example, McKinley usually requires a person to move 100+ pounds of gear between a pack and sled. That is a brutal way to go up a mountain. I have more respect for the guys that do that than the ones that climb everest (who generally have sherpas to carry most of the gear). I don't know anyone that has made it to the top of mckinley though. On a lot of mountains in the third world, you can hire people to carry the gear for basically nothing, and in the first world, there are often hut systems that are resupplied by helicopter so you can replenish supplies without carrying them yourself.
Yes, but marathons are stupid. They are literally the least impressive human achievement because they require almost no strength whatsoever, just the ability to repeat something. They're very easy. Anyone who can walk can complete a marathon. Only progressive training gets you to deadlift 2.5x body weight. Moreover, lifting requires finely tuned technique, completing a marathon does not necessarily involve any technique at all. What's odd is that people have chosen to put so much in to things that are so unimpressive.
Mountain climbing is much more impressive than marathoning because it requires actual skill in mountaineering on any truly challenging peak. Mountain climbing is also a different adaptation than marathon running, and the fact that you do not believe strength training translates into all the activities you named above shows grave ignorance. Strength training absolutely translates into swimming, cycling, climbing etc. Strength training contributes to essentially everything except for extreme endurance activities like triathlons or marathons, but those are not activities people should actually be doing, because they are stupid, cause sarcopenia and late life weakness and infirmity. Excessive running is a good way to transition into old age as a weak person that can barely move. Strength training on the other hand reduces morbidity and increases quality of life. Endurance training actually has no proven ability to decrease morbidity while strength training does. So quite literally since being stronger makes you live longer, it contributes to a lot of things other than nonsense activities, but how many years you get to spend here versus in the grave.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 27, 2014, 03:19:27 PMI know ovb will disapprove, but I just finished a 7 hour hike and at the end the temperature was 95F/35C (it was much cooler at the start). I'm not sure how safe that is. Winter can't get here fast enough.
Hiking fairly approximates natural long distance movement over rough terrain and I have no real issue with it. It's also aided by strength training if you're hiking a difficult trail. The great thing about strength training is it's about what you do on average throughout the week, not about single days here or there. Lots of serious lifters hike, but none marathon run--that should tell you something.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 27, 2014, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Tyr on July 26, 2014, 11:57:40 AM
I cycled about 30-40 km today. It was over 30 degrees. Ouch.
I know ovb will disapprove, but I just finished a 7 hour hike and at the end the temperature was 95F/35C (it was much cooler at the start). I'm not sure how safe that is. Winter can't get here fast enough.
I've done similar, sometimes with a large moderately heavy bergen, once even on our 2nd hottest ever day we've had in Blighty, but I can guarantee none of those occasions were in the humidity you probably have to routinely deal with, so not a fair comparison.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 27, 2014, 06:17:24 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 27, 2014, 03:19:27 PMI know ovb will disapprove, but I just finished a 7 hour hike and at the end the temperature was 95F/35C (it was much cooler at the start). I'm not sure how safe that is. Winter can't get here fast enough.
Hiking fairly approximates natural long distance movement over rough terrain and I have no real issue with it. It's also aided by strength training if you're hiking a difficult trail. The great thing about strength training is it's about what you do on average throughout the week, not about single days here or there. Lots of serious lifters hike, but none marathon run--that should tell you something.
It's near suicidal to try and move and an extra 20kgs up and down 6 inches 20,000-25,000 times over 3-4 hours ? :unsure:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 27, 2014, 06:13:33 PM
Yes, but marathons are stupid. They are literally the least impressive human achievement because they require almost no strength whatsoever, just the ability to repeat something. They're very easy. Anyone who can walk can complete a marathon. Only progressive training gets you to deadlift 2.5x body weight. Moreover, lifting requires finely tuned technique, completing a marathon does not necessarily involve any technique at all. What's odd is that people have chosen to put so much in to things that are so unimpressive.
Mountain climbing is much more impressive than marathoning because it requires actual skill in mountaineering on any truly challenging peak. Mountain climbing is also a different adaptation than marathon running, and the fact that you do not believe strength training translates into all the activities you named above shows grave ignorance. Strength training absolutely translates into swimming, cycling, climbing etc. Strength training contributes to essentially everything except for extreme endurance activities like triathlons or marathons, but those are not activities people should actually be doing, because they are stupid, cause sarcopenia and late life weakness and infirmity. Excessive running is a good way to transition into old age as a weak person that can barely move. Strength training on the other hand reduces morbidity and increases quality of life. Endurance training actually has no proven ability to decrease morbidity while strength training does. So quite literally since being stronger makes you live longer, it contributes to a lot of things other than nonsense activities, but how many years you get to spend here versus in the grave.
Otto, first of all, walking 26.2 miles for some people is an achievement. Also, I'm sort of training for a marathon, with a time target of 3:47 ("sort of training" because I'm really waiting for winter to extend my runs, and planning to run one or two next spring). I think for almost everyone hitting such a time target is an accomplishment.
Second, I absolutely agree that strength training contributes to things like mountain climbing. Or marathon running for that matter. However, the main peak I'm targeting is Mont Blanc. One of the guides I've seen has a requirement that clients be able to complete a half marathon in 1:45; I've seen others with a requirement for 2:00. I haven't seen anyone with a squat requirement. My guide told me that at a minimum I need to be doing 3 10ks a week to get ready. For more aggressive peaks (like those in the himalayas), I've seen fitness targets referencing marathon times ~3:30. I recently climbed Kilimanjaro: one of our guides was an Olympic caliber marathon runner, and our group included 2 recent sub 2 hr half marathoners and an ultra marathoner. I didn't meet anyone that was more focused on strength training than cardio.
You are right that this is something of a false dichotomy. Cardio and strength training compliment each other. My point is that if you show me two people: one does cardio 90% of the time and strength trains 10%, and one has the percentages reversed, I would expect the cardio heavy guy to be generally better adopted to most basic hiking and mountaineering.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 27, 2014, 06:17:24 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 27, 2014, 03:19:27 PMI know ovb will disapprove, but I just finished a 7 hour hike and at the end the temperature was 95F/35C (it was much cooler at the start). I'm not sure how safe that is. Winter can't get here fast enough.
Hiking fairly approximates natural long distance movement over rough terrain and I have no real issue with it. It's also aided by strength training if you're hiking a difficult trail. The great thing about strength training is it's about what you do on average throughout the week, not about single days here or there. Lots of serious lifters hike, but none marathon run--that should tell you something.
I'm not trying to be confrontational on the posts. I actually posted my original question because I've gotten the impression that you are quite knowledgeable on this stuff and was hoping for a response.
A problem that I have though is that I'm generally not comfortable with freeweights beyond basic dumbbell exercises. I really need to get a personal trainer to help with this before doing anything.
I do know freeweights are better than using machines. But at my gym no one is doing deadlifts and squats, and I'm not sure they are allowed. There also isn't a machine for back extensions.
Quote from: mongers on July 27, 2014, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 27, 2014, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Tyr on July 26, 2014, 11:57:40 AM
I cycled about 30-40 km today. It was over 30 degrees. Ouch.
I know ovb will disapprove, but I just finished a 7 hour hike and at the end the temperature was 95F/35C (it was much cooler at the start). I'm not sure how safe that is. Winter can't get here fast enough.
I've done similar, sometimes with a large moderately heavy bergen, once even on our 2nd hottest ever day we've had in Blighty, but I can guarantee none of those occasions were in the humidity you probably have to routinely deal with, so not a fair comparison.
It wasn't that hot for the duration: just at the end. If it was, I probably would have ended up in the hospital.
You can't do complex barbell movements without coaching. I know some serious mountain climbers because I was heavy into it enough to meet some years ago, I've also hiked parts of the AT. I don't know any serious climber who has set marathon times they feel the need to hit before climbing.
As for barbell training you obviously are using an experienced guide for your other activities. I'm not sure why you'd expect something that involves a complex skill based movement like squatting or dead lifting wouldn't require a similarly experienced professional to show you how to do it. I mean a real strength coach too, not a guy who works at the Y. A good one will charge $500 or so for a series of sessions designed to get you proficient enough to lift safely solo, or $40/session or so for a long term coaching relationship.
My levels of activity have plummeted since the heat got going and me having to sit around and watch the Tour de France. :cool:
Planning another trip next Friday, haven't done much the last few weeks.
Sadly, I postponed one of my long cherished plans yet another year: cycling across the country from north to south.
It clocks in at about 350km, and I haven't even broken 200 this year. A fairly sensible decision, I must be getting old :(
Today I'll do some benching and dumbbell rows. In a concession to the cardio hags of languish I'm throwing in a tabata on the airdyne bike. :hmm:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 26, 2014, 05:53:52 PM
Now, here's what I have to say about this. Firstly, the tldr is, "Liberal weenie got into weight lifting and got big and strong, but his wife wanted a little waifish twink marathon runner so he let all his muscle atrophy away and started doing immense amounts of cardio again."
Googled him. His problem aside from his Fag Voice is his crippling snobbishness and lack of spine in standing up for himself. :mellow: You can see him in action here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UbsTvnnyxo#t=14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UbsTvnnyxo#t=14)
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 27, 2014, 06:13:33 PM
Yes, but marathons are stupid. They are literally the least impressive human achievement because they require almost no strength whatsoever, just the ability to repeat something. They're very easy. Anyone who can walk can complete a marathon. Only progressive training gets you to deadlift 2.5x body weight. Moreover, lifting requires finely tuned technique, completing a marathon does not necessarily involve any technique at all. What's odd is that people have chosen to put so much in to things that are so unimpressive.
This doesn't make a lot of sense.
Whether or not running a marathon is impressive depends on the time it takes someone and their physique. Just like lifting weights / body weight.
While someone who finishes a marathon in 8 hours may consider it a fantastic achievement (and for some it really is), most people would be unimpressed.
Running a marathon in 2.5 hours is impressive by most standards, and absolutely requires a lot of skill.
The problem here is that most people think anyone can run (or ride a bike), and they don't need to pay attention to technique. That's why so many end up ruining their bodies, as you mentioned. It is what happens when the necessary skills are ignored, not because this kind of exercise is bad for you. If all those people were to take the same approach to weight lifting, the same thing would happen.
After 4-5 years of heavy use my bike needs its first repair. The crank box has been declared dead after groaning a lot during my last trip.
I fear it's going to be expensive. :(
Quote from: Liep on July 31, 2014, 09:03:32 AM
After 4-5 years of heavy use my bike needs its first repair. The crank box has been declared dead after groaning a lot during my last trip.
I fear it's going to be expensive. :(
:(
On the cheap bikes I usually use it's a $15 part and I do it myself (famous last words - I am now due a frame destroying stuck bottom bracket)
Quote from: Liep on July 31, 2014, 09:03:32 AM
After 4-5 years of heavy use my bike needs its first repair. The crank box has been declared dead after groaning a lot during my last trip.
I fear it's going to be expensive. :(
4-5 years is pretty good. I don't think it will be that expensive.
But be weary or salespeople trying to sell you an upgrade because they don't stock the exact same part anymore.
I deliberately chose a bike shop that doesn't sell those outrageously expensive bikes so that they wouldn't try and fix me up with one such spare part. But $15 sounds almost too cheap to be true, especially in Copenhagen.
I would've tried to fix it myself if I had a garage, at least I tell myself so.
Quote from: Liep on July 31, 2014, 09:26:45 AM
I deliberately chose a bike shop that doesn't sell those outrageously expensive bikes so that they wouldn't try and fix me up with one such spare part. But $15 sounds almost too cheap to be true, especially in Copenhagen.
I would've tried to fix it myself if I had a garage, at least I tell myself so.
Oh yeah, it is too cheap, but I'm talking about my rubbish bikes, typically were
any fixed cartridge is a step-up on the old cup and bal-lbearing affairs that weigh a ton.
Plus of course you're in a capital city, so there's that premium.
I heard the tell-tell clicking sound of a broken ball bearing myself just the other week. Luckily it wasn't the crank but the pedal- it was possible to replace without any special tools.
A nice surprise, the mechanic told me the gear changer had been knock out of position and was the reason for the noise, also perhaps that I should invest in new pedals.
With the gear fix and a general tune up it was about €30. Far cheaper than I feared though, and ready for tomorrow's sunny weather.
Quote from: Maladict on July 31, 2014, 08:47:28 AM
While someone who finishes a marathon in 8 hours may consider it a fantastic achievement (and for some it really is), most people would be unimpressed.
People might be unimpressed by the fitness required to walk for 8 hours, but they'd still be impressed by the willpower.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 31, 2014, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Maladict on July 31, 2014, 08:47:28 AM
While someone who finishes a marathon in 8 hours may consider it a fantastic achievement (and for some it really is), most people would be unimpressed.
People might be unimpressed by the fitness required to walk for 8 hours, but they'd still be impressed by the willpower.
Sure, but it's not exactly
running a marathon.
Just spent an obscene amount of money on a satnav for my bike. :blush:
Quote from: Maladict on July 31, 2014, 03:33:08 PM
Just spent an obscene amount of money on a satnav for my bike. :blush:
:( :cool: :hmm:
I sometimes get the most odd looks, when I stopped my bike to get a map out to read the terrain, like I'm from the Neolithic or something.
Quote from: Maladict on July 31, 2014, 03:33:08 PM
Just spent an obscene amount of money on a satnav for my bike. :blush:
Garmin? I'm thrilled with my Edge 800 even if it was very expensive.
Quote from: mongers on July 31, 2014, 03:47:30 PM
I sometimes get the most odd looks, when I stopped my bike to get a map out to read the terrain, like I'm from the Neolithic or something.
I gave up on paper maps for cycling, I just can't be bothered to take it out every 20 minutes or so.
And they don't last much longer than a single trip because of all the sweating :Embarrass:
Quote from: Liep on July 31, 2014, 03:48:33 PM
Garmin? I'm thrilled with my Edge 800 even if it was very expensive.
Bryton 60.
All in all, a pretty lazy month, other stuff has just got in the way of biking, probably done about 280 miles plus 35 miles walking. :blush:
I one upped James Rodriguez on my ride today, I had a giant red and yellow dragonfly take up residence on my thigh for about 5 km. It wasn't easy to flick off so I decided to just let it hang on.
OK, I may have committed to my silliest fundraising event to date. Seedy, you'd approve:
https://www.justgiving.com/BereniceBaker/
Quote from: Brazen on August 01, 2014, 09:17:47 AM
OK, I may have committed to my silliest fundraising event to date. Seedy, you'd approve:
https://www.justgiving.com/BereniceBaker/
If I showed up to support the cause in person, would that be creepy? :hmm: :P
Quote from: Liep on August 01, 2014, 08:09:52 AM
I one upped James Rodriguez on my ride today, I had a giant red and yellow dragonfly take up residence on my thigh for about 5 km. It wasn't easy to flick off so I decided to just let it hang on.
:cool:
Nice trip across the Delta Works today, even if it took 5 hours to get to the starting point.
It had to be a leisurely trip because the beaches were pretty crowded, but that just leaves more time to check out some tail the interesting flood barriers.
And I'm just loving my satnav, it's fantastic.
Spartan Race is one week from tomorrow.
Still fat and clumsy. :(
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 01, 2014, 08:31:51 PM
Spartan Race is one week from tomorrow.
Still fat and clumsy. :(
Spartan Race looks like it takes what little enjoyment there is in running and shits on it.
Quote from: Maladict on August 01, 2014, 04:01:05 PM
Nice trip across the Delta Works today, even if it took 5 hours to get to the starting point.
It had to be a leisurely trip because the beaches were pretty crowded, but that just leaves more time to check out some tail the interesting flood barriers.
And I'm just loving my satnav, it's fantastic.
Excellent. :jealous:
Quote from: Liep on August 01, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 01, 2014, 08:31:51 PM
Spartan Race is one week from tomorrow.
Still fat and clumsy. :(
Spartan Race looks like it takes what little enjoyment there is in running and shits on it.
Hah. Not a bad way of looking at it. I just want to see if I can do it. Try something different.
I've been thinking about doing a little bit more weight training, but I have no idea how.
I want to do it at home. I have a bed, a sofa, a couple of chairs, and 2 dumbbells. That's it, no barbells, no benches, no machines.
Already doing shoulder push and bicep curl. Anything else that I can do with the dumbbells? I know absolutely nothing about weight training, and I can barely lift my desktop computer up. I am not trying to build up any muscles. That's for another life. I just want to lose some weight and perhaps make it a bit easier to move my suitcases around.
Upper body exercises are preferred. My centre and leg muscle strength is non-existent. Body flexibility index is at or slightly below zero, whatever that means. Something any idiot could do. Not going to hire a trainer, so I need something I can do without supervision.
Get a cheap kettlebell and watch youtube instruction videos for full body workouts. It doesn't require anything else and only a little space.
Quote from: Monoriu on August 03, 2014, 07:26:47 AM
I've been thinking about doing a little bit more weight training, but I have no idea how.
I want to do it at home. I have a bed, a sofa, a couple of chairs, and 2 dumbbells. That's it, no barbells, no benches, no machines.
Already doing shoulder push and bicep curl. Anything else that I can do with the dumbbells? I know absolutely nothing about weight training, and I can barely lift my desktop computer up. I am not trying to build up any muscles. That's for another life. I just want to lose some weight and perhaps make it a bit easier to move my suitcases around.
Upper body exercises are preferred. My centre and leg muscle strength is non-existent. Body flexibility index is at or slightly below zero, whatever that means. Something any idiot could do. Not going to hire a trainer, so I need something I can do without supervision.
I think you're an excellent candidate for a scalable bodyweight exercise program. Do that for 5 to 6 months then assess and reevaluate your goals. Here's a free one that's very beginner-friendly. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-fitness/#axzz39K8RSYUZ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-fitness/#axzz39K8RSYUZ)
Hmm, I've been doing shoulder presses and bicep curls. I just want a third option :unsure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYcpY20QaE8
This looks doable to me. I don't have a bench, but I guess I can put two chairs in a row pretend that they are a bench. Getting one knee on the bench/chair and staying in position is going to be difficult. But at least this doesn't seem to require strength from the legs to pull the dumbbell up.
What do you think?
Curls and shoulder presses for weight loss is a very, very low return-on-investment way to go about that. As in, nigh on impossible to achieve. :hmm: The biggest bang for your buck and the least time-consuming way is a stripped-down, no-frills bodyweight program like the one I linked to.
With the usual caveat that weight management is best accomplished in the kitchen by eating whole, non-processed meat, fish and veg. Things that are satiating and nutritionally dense. :contract:
Quote from: Monoriu on August 03, 2014, 09:59:32 AMThis looks doable to me. I don't have a bench, but I guess I can put two chairs in a row pretend that they are a bench. Getting one knee on the bench/chair and staying in position is going to be difficult. But at least this doesn't seem to require strength from the legs to pull the dumbbell up.
What do you think?
Sure, I do dumbbell rows as an assistance exercise on bench days. And your feet help you maintain balance so they're involved as well.
Quote from: Legbiter on August 03, 2014, 10:33:40 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 03, 2014, 09:59:32 AMThis looks doable to me. I don't have a bench, but I guess I can put two chairs in a row pretend that they are a bench. Getting one knee on the bench/chair and staying in position is going to be difficult. But at least this doesn't seem to require strength from the legs to pull the dumbbell up.
What do you think?
Sure, I do dumbbell rows as an assistance exercise on bench days. And your feet help you maintain balance so they're involved as well.
Really? Ok, Need to look for something else then.
Just try one dumbbell row Mono. :) Report back.
Quote from: Legbiter on August 03, 2014, 10:38:43 AM
Just try one dumbbell row Mono. :) Report back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFq5jdwWwX4
I just did this, doing away with the bench because it is too troublesome. While I felt that it wasn't too difficult, I was quite sure that I was doing it wrong. No idea how to do it correctly.
May have to ask the wife to watch the video, then have her coach me to do this. She hates my dumbbell exercises though.
Quote from: Legbiter on August 03, 2014, 10:23:58 AM
With the usual caveat that weight management is best accomplished in the kitchen by eating whole, non-processed meat, fish and veg. Things that are satiating and nutritionally dense. :contract:
But carbs are so yummy. :(
Haven't done anything targeted as fitness related recently, just a bit of transport bike riding, and that's dropped rather, probably done about 75 miles in the last two weeks. :blush:
Anyway, so now it's no longer in the mid-80s/humid I took my flat-bar hybrid semi-road bike for a spin. Did one of my usual routes up onto the downs, turned around and came home same way. Not too bad, quite a strong gusty tail/cross wind, so got to the top of the 100m climb at the end in about 45 minutes, down hill for the first bit home, but the wind had strengthened to a strong headwind.
All told a bit over 24 miles in 90 minutes dead. Quite pleased with that given its my first real exercise in a month and pleasant to be nearly out of breath at the top, for a change.
My fitness goal for 2014 is watching more home exercise equipment commercials. DAT ASS
Quote from: mongers on August 03, 2014, 02:30:31 PM
Haven't done anything targeted as fitness related recently, just a bit of transport bike riding, and that's dropped rather, probably done about 75 miles in the last two weeks. :blush:
Anyway, so now it's no longer in the mid-80s/humid I took my flat-bar hybrid semi-road bike for a spin. Did one of my usual routes up onto the downs, turned around and came home same way. Not too bad, quite a strong gusty tail/cross wind, so got to the top of the 100m climb at the end in about 45 minutes, down hill for the first bit home, but the wind had strengthened to a strong headwind.
All told a bit over 24 miles in 90 minutes dead. Quite pleased with that given its my first real exercise in a month and pleasant to be nearly out of breath at the top, for a change.
Sounds good :cool:
5 miles of walking today. The Nikes that I purchased the other day were a good purchase. Dogs barely barked.
Did 35 miles - normal route, two times up the hill. I missed a bunch due to a hurt leg and vacation, going to miss more. Still, it felt good to get out there and ride hard for two hours.
Quote from: PDH on August 03, 2014, 05:05:40 PM
Did 35 miles - normal route, two times up the hill. I missed a bunch due to a hurt leg and vacation, going to miss more. Still, it felt good to get out there and ride hard for two hours.
Yes, for various reasons I've missed a lot and likely more, so time to pull my finger out and do some longer evening rides.
The damn thing is that I just need to kick myself in the ass and ride after work. Still, it is easier in June when it is 70 in the afternoon than in August when it is 85 at the same time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUGDRwge4F8
I think this is doable. I'll struggle a lot to get up from the floor though.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 03, 2014, 06:57:01 AM
Quote from: Liep on August 01, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 01, 2014, 08:31:51 PM
Spartan Race is one week from tomorrow.
Still fat and clumsy. :(
Spartan Race looks like it takes what little enjoyment there is in running and shits on it.
Hah. Not a bad way of looking at it. I just want to see if I can do it. Try something different.
You have to post an AAR. I almost signed up for the one here earlier this year. Are you doing the sprint?
I messed up bad this year. :cry:
Quote from: Jaron on August 05, 2014, 12:13:50 AM
I messed up bad this year. :cry:
Still 5 months left. :contract:
I had a nice 110 km ride today that I dubbed Castle Route as it passes by Frederiksborg, Fredensborg and finally Kronborg in Elsinore before finishing with a nice 50km ride along Øresund, luckily the wind was coming from the north on my way home.
Nice :cool:
If you're going to run, 5 minutes a day is enough to show benefits.
QuoteYou don't need to clock record speeds or run marathons to stay healthy. A new study published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology finds that running as little as five minutes a day will do. It gives you the same benefits of running or walking for longer.
The key is to sustain the practice.
Running may in fact be a better exercise option than more moderate-intensity exercises for healthy but sedentary people since it produces similar, if not greater, mortality benefits in five to 10 minutes compared to 15 to 20 minutes per day of moderate-intensity activity.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/5-50-minutes-running-makes-no-difference-health-063839223.html#wVid1nS (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/5-50-minutes-running-makes-no-difference-health-063839223.html#wVid1nS)
So go right ahead and relax on the chronic cardio. :showoff:
Quote from: Monoriu on August 03, 2014, 10:14:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUGDRwge4F8
I think this is doable. I'll struggle a lot to get up from the floor though.
The thing is mono that most men are losers and never get to the "doing" part of fitness. Just by showing up and actually working out you're way ahead of most. :hug:
Today I woke up and was really hungry. So I ordered pick up from outback. I felt like I ate a lot so I decided to look up the damage:
Aussie Cheese Fries: 1930 calories
12 oz New York Strip: 655 calories
Broccoli side: 109 calories
Loaded Potato: 532 calories
Total: 3,226 calories
I'm still working on the bread, which is another 310 calories. Regardless, I feel like I accomplished something today. :)
Just ran a personal best 5km: 27m13s. :blush:
Quote from: alfred russel on August 09, 2014, 12:50:24 PM
Aussie Cheese Fries: 1930 calories
The delicious taste of clogged arteries. :mmm:
Quote from: Liep on August 09, 2014, 12:54:28 PM
Just ran a personal best 5km: 27m13s. :blush:
That's pretty good going, especially as you're now rather getting on. :P
I doubt I did it that fast, when I used to run 5,000 metres, though I forget the times, it was literally half a lifetime ago. :(
Quote from: Liep on August 09, 2014, 12:54:28 PM
Just ran a personal best 5km: 27m13s. :blush:
Time for a sprint triathlon?
Quote from: alfred russel on August 09, 2014, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Liep on August 09, 2014, 12:54:28 PM
Just ran a personal best 5km: 27m13s. :blush:
Time for a sprint triathlon?
No, I'm only doing this running thing because a friend challenged me to a half-marathon. How hard could it be, I thought.
Quote from: Liep on August 09, 2014, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 09, 2014, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Liep on August 09, 2014, 12:54:28 PM
Just ran a personal best 5km: 27m13s. :blush:
Time for a sprint triathlon?
No, I'm only doing this running thing because a friend challenged me to a half-marathon. How hard could it be, I thought.
A half-marathon is what 20K?
So 20/7 = 2.85714285714286 time infinitely hard for some of us.
Liep, do you plan to run the whole half-marathon or run/walk?
But if you have the cycling, a sprint triathlon is generally a ~20 mile bike followed by a 5k. So you are basically there. Of course preceded by a swim, I don't know how adept you are at swimming.
I swim okay, but I don't see the fun in mixing it with anything else. And yes, it's 21km.
I came across this by one of the top mountaineers in the world talking about his training. Apparently the core of his training is running 100-140 km per week, and he favors long runs (half marathon) not intensity runs to prepare for high altitude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sy13BWkhj0
edit--some of you may remember the fight some westerners got into with sherpas on everest recently. That was this guy on the trip he is talking about preparing for--which caused the trip to end as a fiasco.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 09, 2014, 12:50:24 PM
Today I woke up and was really hungry. So I ordered pick up from outback. I felt like I ate a lot so I decided to look up the damage:
Aussie Cheese Fries: 1930 calories
12 oz New York Strip: 655 calories
Broccoli side: 109 calories
Loaded Potato: 532 calories
Total: 3,226 calories
I'm still working on the bread, which is another 310 calories. Regardless, I feel like I accomplished something today. :)
Wow. Those fries are a day's worth of food. How big are they? :blink:
Quote from: Tyr on August 10, 2014, 04:35:24 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 09, 2014, 12:50:24 PM
Today I woke up and was really hungry. So I ordered pick up from outback. I felt like I ate a lot so I decided to look up the damage:
Aussie Cheese Fries: 1930 calories
12 oz New York Strip: 655 calories
Broccoli side: 109 calories
Loaded Potato: 532 calories
Total: 3,226 calories
I'm still working on the bread, which is another 310 calories. Regardless, I feel like I accomplished something today. :)
Wow. Those fries are a day's worth of food. How big are they? :blink:
They are an appetizer. They are fries topped with bacon and cheese with ranch dressing. They are apparently meant to be shared among 6 people, but because I am a man* I ate them myself.
*"an American" may be more accurate.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 10, 2014, 09:30:24 PM
*"an American" may be more accurate.
On our recent trip we were remined again just how big portion sizes are down there. Its good for eating family style though. A couple appetizers for everyone to share and then a couple more plates of entrees to share.
If everyone had their own appetizers and meals we would have put on some serious weight.
Quote from: Maladict on May 29, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
Right, since my Ventoux plan collapsed I signed up for something insane closer to home.
It's a 4 km lap containing a fairly vicious 1 km climb (average 10%, max 13%).
The challenge is to do up to 40 laps. :lol:
Just four weeks to go. Had a 120 km training session in the hills on Friday, it wasn't very pleasant.
The hill I'm supposed to climb 40 times I saved for last, and I had to drop to ~10 km/h to make it to the top. :Embarrass:
Climbing on a bike is not as fun as Contador make it out to be. I tried Teide earlier this year and if it hadn't been for the very nice view I wouldn't have bothered strugling my way up. I got about 30km into the 60km climb and it was the hardest thing I've ever tried, closely followed by riding downhill completely exhausted.
Teide is some serious climbing. :cool:
I like climbing a lot actually, I'd it prefer to flat terrain every time. But I've been seriously underestimating this particular challenge.
Maybe it's because these climbs are so short, it's hard to find a good rhythm.
Quote from: Maladict on August 11, 2014, 04:14:55 AM
Teide is some serious climbing. :cool:
I like climbing a lot actually, I'd it prefer to flat terrain every time. But I've been seriously underestimating this particular challenge.
Maybe it's because these climbs are so short, it's hard to find a good rhythm.
This is my 'excuse' for avoiding All hills around here, they really aren't big enough to be able to get into the swing of things. :P
Kudos, to both of you for those climbs, I Would die on them.
Today is shoulder press day. I love this lift, so underrated.
Quote from: Legbiter on August 11, 2014, 07:26:28 AM
Today is shoulder press day. I love this lift, so underrated.
Yeah, I like the shoulder press too. Now that I am doing a lot of squats and back rows I havent spent as much time on those as I should. I am mainly doing shoulder abductions and bench presses with heavy barbells on a ball for my shoulders - I need to get the shoulder press back into the routine.
10km in 58 minutes. I think I was faster when I ran that in school some 15 years ago but since that was also the last time I was able to run that distance I think it's pretty good.
Quote from: Liep on August 12, 2014, 04:48:21 PM
10km in 58 minutes. I think I was faster when I ran that in school some 15 years ago but since that was also the last time I was able to run that distance I think it's pretty good.
:cool: Good going.
What's going on? I'm having increasingly more trouble each time I go out training, weak and aching muscles, cramps.
I'm not overtraining, eating and drinking well. Sleep could be better, but that's nothing new.
I'm no expert but it sounds like fatigue, take a week off and see what happens.
Sleep is key.
Quote from: Liep on August 14, 2014, 02:28:50 AM
I'm no expert but it sounds like fatigue, take a week off and see what happens.
Sleep is key.
Yeah, that's the only thing I could think of.
That sucks, I only have three weeks of training left. I'll take a break until Monday. :mad:
I took the train down to southern Zealand and took my bike for spin along the coast. Lovely small country roads, no cars, the sea, forests, idyllic towns, empty towns and lots of newly harvested fields. Greatest route I've taken yet.
And a fuck tonnes of headwind. 30-50 km/h headwinds and an undulating terrain can really take the fun out of cycling. :P
I took this picture at lunch, not a bad place for a break:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.liep.dk%2Ffaxe.jpg&hash=a8c1ecdd496480f69a134a0a999bebe696bb9723)
What a nice trip and a lovely place to stop. :cool:
I think our Richard Hyulk (sp?) has some familiarity with those particular winds.
Eek fitness has plummeted this month, what with having to visit an ill family member in hospital.
Anyway had a nice 23-24 mile bike trip to the hospital, along a stretch of a river and a village I've never been through before.
So that makes about 60 miles in the last 72 hours, I'm now beginning to feel slightly better now; to put that in perspective, I've probably only done that distance in the previous two weeks before the last couple of days. :blush:
My weekly routine now consists of two gym sessions with my trainer (on Saturday and Sunday) and one or two yoga classes (on Wednesday and/or Saturday). I tried to get into running but keep getting problems with my knee.
Also just got a "fitness ball" and a pair of hand weights, to exercise at home - at worst, gonna use the ball as a chair for tv/movies as it is better for back muscles than the couch. :P
Because I'm a lazy gimboid I've decided to give the "7 Minute Workout" a try this morning. How bad can it be, and it's only 7 minutes to soothe your conscience, right?
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/the-scientific-7-minute-workout/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
I was near dead during exercise 11, and quit at 12. I was ready to throw up, and an hour later my body still aches.
I will do it again tomorrow morning.
YMMV, I've not done any sports in months.
Quote from: Syt on August 21, 2014, 12:09:12 AM
Because I'm a lazy gimboid I've decided to give the "7 Minute Workout" a try this morning. How bad can it be, and it's only 7 minutes to soothe your conscience, right?
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/the-scientific-7-minute-workout/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
I was near dead during exercise 11, and quit at 12. I was ready to throw up, and an hour later my body still aches.
I will do it again tomorrow morning.
YMMV, I've not done any sports in months.
Out of these 12, I can do 1. And 5 with great difficulty. All the others are out of my league :lol:
I'm pretty ok with everything requiring leg strength from that menu (though I still do feel it). Everything for the upper body, esp. crunches, though .... :ph34r:
Quote from: Syt on August 21, 2014, 02:07:01 AM
I'm pretty ok with everything requiring leg strength from that menu (though I still do feel it). Everything for the upper body, esp. crunches, though .... :ph34r:
I suck at anything that requires agility, flexibility, balance or centre/lower body strength :sleep:
I tried that workout, your body will also ache tomorrow. :p
Did some rock climbing (grades 4-5) and some white water kayaking this week and really noticed my lack of upper body strength.
Quote from: Syt on August 21, 2014, 12:09:12 AM
Because I'm a lazy gimboid I've decided to give the "7 Minute Workout" a try this morning. How bad can it be, and it's only 7 minutes to soothe your conscience, right?
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/the-scientific-7-minute-workout/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
I was near dead during exercise 11, and quit at 12. I was ready to throw up, and an hour later my body still aches.
I will do it again tomorrow morning.
YMMV, I've not done any sports in months.
I did that routine for a few weeks after reading Michael Mosley's FAST exercise book. Even though it's only 7 minutes it still gets tedious pretty quickly.
We're moving office this weekend, so I've brought my running kit for one last run in this locale. Now, park or canal? :hmm:
I've won two weeks' training at this new concept gym. Could be interesting.
http://speedflex.com/ (http://speedflex.com/)
Not doing a great deal at the mo, did my 14 miles in 50 minutes 'mini-workout' when I got home yesterday evening, first time in a while. :blush:
Did 50 km on bike yesterday,which was dead easy (hint mainly former railwaylines), even beat a lot of the traffic on the wayback.
But that was nearly the furthest I went all month, probably did no more than 250 miles in August, what with having to go to hospital visiting so much. :Embarrass:
New running shoes. Helped out.
Did 23 km on the mountain bike yesterday. First time I managed to do a full circle on the single track route. Today I'm feeling it though, every part of my body is aching.
Quote from: Liep on September 04, 2014, 08:05:05 AM
Did 23 km on the mountain bike yesterday. First time I managed to do a full circle on the single track route. Today I'm feeling it though, every part of my body is aching.
Which is good, isn't it. :unsure:
Quote from: mongers on September 04, 2014, 08:09:08 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 04, 2014, 08:05:05 AM
Did 23 km on the mountain bike yesterday. First time I managed to do a full circle on the single track route. Today I'm feeling it though, every part of my body is aching.
Which is good, isn't it. :unsure:
Sure, I just wasn't expecting everything to hurt. Shoulders, hands, back are in pain but my legs are actually okay.
Quote from: Maladict on August 11, 2014, 03:35:59 AM
Quote from: Maladict on May 29, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
Right, since my Ventoux plan collapsed I signed up for something insane closer to home.
It's a 4 km lap containing a fairly vicious 1 km climb (average 10%, max 13%).
The challenge is to do up to 40 laps. :lol:
Just four weeks to go. Had a 120 km training session in the hills on Friday, it wasn't very pleasant.
The hill I'm supposed to climb 40 times I saved for last, and I had to drop to ~10 km/h to make it to the top. :Embarrass:
Tomorrow around this time it will be over at least. If I wasn't being sponsored to do this for charity I probably wouldn't show up. :(
Packing my stuff, food is always tricky. I've got a bowl of pasta, four pancakes, six bananas, ten energy bars.
Should be enough, I hope.
Good luck! Just look angrily at that climb and tell it to suck a dick.
Quote from: Maladict on September 05, 2014, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: Maladict on August 11, 2014, 03:35:59 AM
Quote from: Maladict on May 29, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
Right, since my Ventoux plan collapsed I signed up for something insane closer to home.
It's a 4 km lap containing a fairly vicious 1 km climb (average 10%, max 13%).
The challenge is to do up to 40 laps. :lol:
Just four weeks to go. Had a 120 km training session in the hills on Friday, it wasn't very pleasant.
The hill I'm supposed to climb 40 times I saved for last, and I had to drop to ~10 km/h to make it to the top. :Embarrass:
Tomorrow around this time it will be over at least. If I wasn't being sponsored to do this for charity I probably wouldn't show up. :(
Packing my stuff, food is always tricky. I've got a bowl of pasta, four pancakes, six bananas, ten energy bars.
Should be enough, I hope.
Good luck Mal, it'll be a cool achievement once it's over. :cheers:
The Stair Master is brutal.
The reason I haven't done a lot the last month, is because I've been dealing with an elderly relative in hospital.
Which by my estimation has involved 45 miles walking, 92 miles cycling, 69 bus journeys, 545 miles by said vehicles and one ambulance trip, throw in visiting times and waiting for buses, and that's eaten a sizable chunk of the last 37 days. :(
The upside? the necessary hospital care would have bankrupted her in the USA.
Quote from: Legbiter on August 11, 2014, 07:26:28 AM
Today is shoulder press day. I love this lift, so underrated.
The shoulder press is insane. Valuable, yes, but insane.
I feel that I don't produce enough myostatin and any attempt to gain muscle is futile. I've been at like basically the same number of push-ups for like two months.
Quote from: Ideologue on September 05, 2014, 09:14:16 PM
I feel that I don't produce enough myostatin and any attempt to gain muscle is futile. I've been at like basically the same number of push-ups for like two months.
This sounds like an excuse wrapped up in some random jargon, to possibly explain away a lack of motivation towards a target you've not that happy with? :unsure:
Or he realized that Reeses cups don't provide sufficient protein.
Woke up from a 13-hour coma. :lol:
But, mission accomplished. :cool:
Quote from: Maladict on September 07, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
Woke up from a 13-hour coma. :lol:
But, mission accomplished. :cool:
Well done. :cheers:
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 10, 2014, 06:59:16 PM
Today I joined a gym.
Congratulations. The hard part is done.
:lol: No, going back the 2nd time is the hard part.
Going to the gym is pretty easy, the hard part is not overeating. :Embarrass:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 07, 2014, 09:14:24 AM
Going to the gym is pretty easy, the hard part is not overeating. :Embarrass:
Fucking true. MyFitnessPal has been a help. BUt My soda addiction and love of bread always causes problems.
I can fight the diet--hell, 25 years ago when I was into bodybuilding, I went over 2 years without a slice of pizza, a cheeseburger or a Coke--but I simply can't fight the medication.
Is overtraining a real thing?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 07, 2014, 09:37:06 AM
Fucking true. MyFitnessPal has been a help. BUt My soda addiction and love of bread always causes problems.
What's wrong with bread? :huh:
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 07, 2014, 09:43:36 AM
Is overtraining a real thing?
Yes. And quite easy to do, actually.
Downloaded my data, it looks ridiculous :D
Too bad my Garmin crapped out before I did.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 07, 2014, 09:43:36 AM
Is overtraining a real thing?
I think so. You can cause all sorts of issues from doing it too much, internally and externally.
Quote from: Maladict on September 07, 2014, 10:06:50 AM
Downloaded my data, it looks ridiculous :D
Too bad my Garmin crapped out before I did.
Good grief, that saw must have really cut into you. :cool:
Quote from: Maladict on September 07, 2014, 09:54:07 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 07, 2014, 09:37:06 AM
Fucking true. MyFitnessPal has been a help. BUt My soda addiction and love of bread always causes problems.
What's wrong with bread? :huh:
I eat a lot of it.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 07, 2014, 11:10:03 AM
Quote from: Maladict on September 07, 2014, 09:54:07 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 07, 2014, 09:37:06 AM
Fucking true. MyFitnessPal has been a help. BUt My soda addiction and love of bread always causes problems.
What's wrong with bread? :huh:
I eat a lot of it.
Careful, Legbiter will be down on both of you like a ton of cro-magnon bricks. :P
Manage to get on my flatbar road/hybrid thingy for the first time in nearly a month. Did a quick 24 miles on one of my little routes, averaged 16.5mph, but man getting used to a geared bike is tough, after having done 500 miles on my 1/zero geared shopping bike.
That little runs seems to have sorted out my bad neck and upper back. :cool:
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2014, 05:55:25 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 05, 2014, 09:14:16 PM
I feel that I don't produce enough myostatin and any attempt to gain muscle is futile. I've been at like basically the same number of push-ups for like two months.
This sounds like an excuse wrapped up in some random jargon, to possibly explain away a lack of motivation towards a target you've not that happy with? :unsure:
Yeah, and people who don't understand calculus right away just aren't trying hard enough. Fucking Enlightenment humanists and your willful lack of understanding of human genetic diversity.
mongers: secular-humanist monster.... GRENDAL if you will....
idealogue: emo hero..... BEOWULF
Me: tired.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 07, 2014, 09:43:36 AM
Is overtraining a real thing?
I think so. You can cause all sorts of issues from doing it too much, internally and externally.
Yeah, the guys who do Crossfit 7 days a week are in for a big surprise.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 07, 2014, 05:01:22 PM
mongers: secular-humanist monster.... GRENDAL if you will....
idealogue: emo hero..... BEOWULF
Me: tired.
:lol:
Hey, that's not bad considering you're tired. :)
I didn't do jack this weekend except amble along and play with my boys. Tomorrow is shoulder press day.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 07, 2014, 05:51:10 PM
I didn't do jack this weekend except amble along and play with my boys. Tomorrow is shoulder press day.
hey, isn't being a parent supposed to be a pretty good all-round workout? :)
Quote from: mongers on September 07, 2014, 05:53:12 PMhey, isn't being a parent supposed to be a pretty good all-round workout? :)
Yep. :showoff:
Quote from: fhdz on September 07, 2014, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 07, 2014, 09:43:36 AM
Is overtraining a real thing?
I think so. You can cause all sorts of issues from doing it too much, internally and externally.
Yeah, the guys who do Crossfit 7 days a week are in for a big surprise.
Not sure if serious :hmm: but doing too much--particularly improperly--can lead to everything from issues with chronic dehydration to long-term joint damage.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: fhdz on September 07, 2014, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 07, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 07, 2014, 09:43:36 AM
Is overtraining a real thing?
I think so. You can cause all sorts of issues from doing it too much, internally and externally.
Yeah, the guys who do Crossfit 7 days a week are in for a big surprise.
Not sure if serious :hmm: but doing too much--particularly improperly--can lead to everything from issues with chronic dehydration to long-term joint damage.
Was serious.
Back squats are on the menu today. My current goal is being able to squat 3 plates for reps with good form. :showoff:
Went for a long walk for the first time in over ten years. Much more relaxing than cycling, I should do this more often.
Managed almost 30km which I was quite pleased with given the state of my knees. :)
Quote from: Maladict on September 14, 2014, 10:59:54 AM
Went for a long walk for the first time in over ten years. Much more relaxing than cycling, I should do this more often.
Managed almost 30km which I was quite pleased with given the state of my knees. :)
:cool:
Good going, given how different the muscle use pattern can be.
You've the right idea about cycling, sometimes it can get a bit monotonous!
I had some plans to do longer walks this summer, but family stuff/crises and family illness means I spend more of August/July walking in hospital corridors than outside. :(
Quote from: mongers on September 14, 2014, 02:24:52 PM
Good going, given how different the muscle use pattern can be.
You've the right idea about cycling, sometimes it can get a bit monotonous!
I had some plans to do longer walks this summer, but family stuff/crises and family illness means I spend more of August/July walking in hospital corridors than outside. :(
:( That sucks, hang in there.
Yes there is some monotony in cycling, but when at speed you also have to pay attention all the time, even on long straights.
When walking, apart from the odd route check, you're free to let your mind wander and do some thinking.
I remember this from when I used to run, but I never seem to manage it while cycling.
Quote from: Maladict on September 14, 2014, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 14, 2014, 02:24:52 PM
Good going, given how different the muscle use pattern can be.
You've the right idea about cycling, sometimes it can get a bit monotonous!
I had some plans to do longer walks this summer, but family stuff/crises and family illness means I spend more of August/July walking in hospital corridors than outside. :(
:( That sucks, hang in there.
Yes there is some monotony in cycling, but when at speed you also have to pay attention all the time, even on long straights.
When walking, apart from the odd route check, you're free to let your mind wander and do some thinking.
I remember this from when I used to run, but I never seem to manage it while cycling.
Yes, that's a good way to put it, thoughtful even. :cool:
Talk of a lack of attention on the bike this evening, cycling home in the semi-dark, lights obviously, but didn't notice a beer can I rode over, because it was exactly on the junction of some new laid tarmac, which I was taking note of at that moment.
Quote from: Maladict on September 14, 2014, 02:40:55 PM
Yes there is some monotony in cycling, but when at speed you also have to pay attention all the time, even on long straights.
Here in Wyoming there is a lot of wind, and unless it is a blessed tailwind there is almost never a time where the mind wanders. Reacting to the changes of wind, the road, the altitude changes (another Wyoming thing), means that the only time I am in danger of my mind wandering is when I am too tired. Then all bets are off and I might zigzag into traffic.
I made it to the top of Mont Blanc and Gran Paradiso. :)
Quote from: alfred russel on September 22, 2014, 04:49:03 AM
I made it to the top of Mont Blanc and Gran Paradiso. :)
Wow :cool:
Quote from: alfred russel on September 22, 2014, 04:49:03 AM
I made it to the top of Mont Blanc and Gran Paradiso. :)
Good grief, that's some going. :cool:
So can we effectively kick this thread into touch, until the need for a new one starts in 3 months during the post-festivities depressions?
My first 5k is in a week. :( :( :( :(
Quote from: alfred russel on September 22, 2014, 04:49:03 AM
I made it to the top of Mont Blanc and Gran Paradiso. :)
Excellent. Did you train in advance for technical skills like walking with crampons etc.?
Quote from: Zanza on September 27, 2014, 05:24:31 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 22, 2014, 04:49:03 AM
I made it to the top of Mont Blanc and Gran Paradiso. :)
Excellent. Did you train in advance for technical skills like walking with crampons etc.?
I live in Atlanta, Georgia where we don't have mountains or snow so a lot of technical training was not possible. I've been in crampons a few times before, but that doesn't mean I'm very good. To get ready I did a lot of long hikes with elevation gain (1500-2000m) with some thought given to finding places with steep and broken ground (this meant doing the same short trails over and over in the same day). Basically I think I was generally well prepared in terms of fitness and general hiking, but not so much in technical skills. However, I didn't actually have to use a lot of technical skills, aside from the cramponing which was quite easy.
I was in a guided group that had 9 people (and 5 guides on Mont Blanc). The guides meant that I wouldn't have to make a lot of the technical decisions like assessing conditions in the grand couloir, assessing other risks on the mountain (including weather), leading a rope team, etc. The route finding was quite easy, and I don't think I would have struggled without a guide. Some of the people in the group had never been in crampons before. The guides wouldn't let one person in the group attempt the summit of Mont Blanc because they felt he wasn't ready, and had a discussion with one other person helping her make the decision not to attempt the summit. One of the guides confided to me he believed that a person who did make the summit should not have been allowed to continue (she was matched with another guide who felt differently).
I spent my entire vacation this year on other great stuff, but I really would like to try that one day too. The German Alpine Society has good introductory courses in Austria etc.
Would you go with a guide or without?
What was shocking to me was that so many of the unguided groups appeared radically unprepared.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 27, 2014, 08:07:05 AM
Would you go with a guide or without?
What was shocking to me was that so many of the unguided groups appeared radically unprepared.
These seems quite common on more challenging hiking and low level mountaineering activities.
Quote from: alfred russel on September 27, 2014, 08:07:05 AM
Would you go with a guide or without?
What was shocking to me was that so many of the unguided groups appeared radically unprepared.
If I go with the German Alpine Society you can bet that they'll do everything by the rule book and will have a guide.
After a short mountain bike trip during my vacation, I bought a 900 Euro 29er hardtail mountain bike today. Just came back from my first 18km trip with 400m height difference to get to know the bike. One of the parts had like 9.5% for about a mile. Really tough when you aren't used to that.
Quote from: Zanza on September 27, 2014, 10:01:36 AM
After a short mountain bike trip during my vacation, I bought a 900 Euro 29er hardtail mountain bike today. Just came back from my first 18km trip with 400m height difference to get to know the bike. One of the parts had like 9.5% for about a mile. Really tough when you aren't used to that.
Indeed, if that was single track it's very good going for a first ride.
Quote from: Zanza on September 27, 2014, 10:01:36 AM
After a short mountain bike trip during my vacation, I bought a 900 Euro 29er hardtail mountain bike today. Just came back from my first 18km trip with 400m height difference to get to know the bike. One of the parts had like 9.5% for about a mile. Really tough when you aren't used to that.
Excellent, sounds like a really sensible choice of bike, I was always put off by 26in MBs, these 29ers (700mm/622rim?) seem more suitable.
Quite like the idea of building a single speed 29er for off-road routes.
In part inspired by you're post, I shall now take my new modified flatbar hybrid, up the nearest hill here, though its only about a net 100m and about 8-10% for 10-20 yards in places. :D
Nah, it was a residential road up to the edge of the forest. But still tough.
Quote from: Zanza on September 27, 2014, 10:15:52 AM
Nah, it was a residential road up to the edge of the forest. But still tough.
Still 400 meters is 400 meters; I'd have to travel nearly 100 miles to find that.
Quote from: mongers on September 27, 2014, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 27, 2014, 10:15:52 AM
Nah, it was a residential road up to the edge of the forest. But still tough.
Still 400 meters is 400 meters; I'd have to travel nearly 100 miles to find that.
The city I live in reaches from about 200 meter above sea level to 550 meters above sea level. So finding a hill that goes up 200-300 meters is easy.
Zanza, aren't you from Lübeck? As fellow Holsteinian, I tell you that your love for mountains is unnatural. :P
I would love to go sailing, but the next possible place is Lake Constance, which is a two hour drive. :(
Quote from: Zanza on September 27, 2014, 10:15:52 AM
Nah, it was a residential road up to the edge of the forest. But still tough.
Aye uphill is never easy no matter what you ride, and had it been single track I'm not sure you would've survived. :P Interesting with the "29, I'm rolling on "26 and often feel they're somewhat lacking on rocks or big roots.
Overhead press is up to 80 pounds. Yays.
Quote from: Zanza on September 27, 2014, 09:55:35 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 27, 2014, 08:07:05 AM
Would you go with a guide or without?
What was shocking to me was that so many of the unguided groups appeared radically unprepared.
If I go with the German Alpine Society you can bet that they'll do everything by the rule book and will have a guide.
Definitely post the stuff you are doing--even if it is boring I'll think it is interesting. :)
This winter I plan to spend a good bit of time in a climbing gym to try and develop some skills that could help next summer. If you go back to my new year's resolution, I planned to do that this year as well, and it really didn't happen, so we shall see.
I did some rock climbing (grades 4 and 5) last month. I don't really have talent and I lack upper body strength. But I could see how this could be fun if you dedicate the necessary time to build skills and strength.
Quote from: Zanza on September 27, 2014, 12:30:32 PM
I don't really have talent and I lack upper body strength.
These are also my problems. :)
However, I think those can be overcome with training.
So the hybrid/road flat that I've adapted to be the winter* bike performed reasonably well on it's first test ride, I took it 24-25 miles on one of my regular routes and intentionally didn't push me or the bike, indeed I tried to go noticeably slower than normal.
I now realise, what I suspected for a long while, the frame is a fair bit too big for me, but I've adjusted the angle of the bars all the way, also rotated them and move the saddle in an effort to get a better fit. And putting on some large 32 mm armoured tyres has improved the handling a bit and should make it OK for the modest off-road byways I often have to use.
Luckily the tyres just fit under my existing mudguards, by nearly 1-2 mm all round. :)
*(read 6 months of mud, multiple trips each day, little or no cleaning and only the barest maintenance) If it survives the intention is to sell it in the spring and put the small amount of money towards a correctly sized semi-urban fairly light 700mm wheeled bike.
A bit puffed after yesterday. :hmm:
This getting older still lark is a bit puzzling. :hmm: :hmm:
Yesterday was deadlift day on my strength program. Today is go-for-a-leisurely walk day.
5K Zombie Charge. There was no mention of rapelling down a frigging ravine before hand!
Booth. They were lying in wait. Some ambushed us, others just blocked the path.
Tinkered a bit with the bike, had to take the mudguards off as the larger tyres decided to put on, just slightly rub in a few places. Temporarily took the rack off at the same time. Did some more tinkering with the geometry of this too large for me bike. <_<
Then went for a quick test ride of 24-25 miles up onto the downs, surprising how much better it performs after I removed the above 3lbs (1.4kg) of stuff. :cool:
I suppose it's "panicky" of me, but lately I've been more uncomfortable at the gym, noticing how easily I could come into contact with other people's sweat. :sleep:
I had a couple of weeks staying with relatives in Scotland, running along a deserted beach which was just about perfect. Came back to a rejection from the London Marathon, which I met with relief and a resolve never to run more than 10K again at risk of destroying my ancient body. Haven't run a step since, though. Must enter a race of some kind.
This go slow is working well, I popped out and did 13-14 miles and didn't once think about going over 15mph, didn't break sweat, just very gentle exercise, it's the future I tell you. :D
Quote from: mongers on October 08, 2014, 06:56:46 AM
This go slow is working well, I popped out and did 13-14 miles and didn't once think about going over 15mph, didn't break sweat, just very gentle exercise, it's the future I tell you. :D
I don't think I broke that on my 13-14 kms today either. But then again, I was on a singletrack in the forest. :P It was a nice cool sunny autumn day and it had rained for the last few days so it was full of fun water holes and a hell of a lot of mud.
Quote from: Liep on October 08, 2014, 07:22:50 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 08, 2014, 06:56:46 AM
This go slow is working well, I popped out and did 13-14 miles and didn't once think about going over 15mph, didn't break sweat, just very gentle exercise, it's the future I tell you. :D
I don't think I broke that on my 13-14 kms today either. But then again, I was on a singletrack in the forest. :P It was a nice cool sunny autumn day and it had rained for the last few days so it was full of fun water holes and a hell of a lot of mud.
We've just started having the mixer for mud arrive by the bucket load, after an incredibly dry 2-3 months (driest this time of year since 1960).
I could have predicted this, as I took the mudguard off on Sunday, having spent all of this dry period/summer, riding with them on. <_<
I've started to walk up to my 7th floor office two or three times a day. However much formal exercise I do, how come walking up stairs is SO hard? How the hell do those weight-loss programmes get morbidly obese people to climb 40-storey buildings without keeling over?
What say we all re-title the thread 'Unfitness 2014' and be done with it till next year? :)
Quote from: mongers on October 15, 2014, 06:54:25 AM
What say we all re-title the thread 'Unfitness 2014' and be done with it till next year? :)
I've diving, hiking and lots of cycling planned for the rest of the year, so I'm not done!
Quote from: Liep on October 15, 2014, 06:58:04 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 15, 2014, 06:54:25 AM
What say we all re-title the thread 'Unfitness 2014' and be done with it till next year? :)
I've diving, hiking and lots of cycling planned for the rest of the year, so I'm not done!
:cool:
Well there's always to exception that proves the rule. :D
Now that things are cooling down we should be stepping up, right?
Quote from: mongers on October 15, 2014, 06:54:25 AM
What say we all re-title the thread 'Unfitness 2014' and be done with it till next year? :)
I'm doing my regular indoor stuff, but it's not very interesting.
Too bad it's getting dark so early, the weather is still great for cycling :(
Tomorrow ends Week 7 of StrongLifts 5x5. Good stuff.
Quote from: Maladict on October 15, 2014, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 15, 2014, 06:54:25 AM
What say we all re-title the thread 'Unfitness 2014' and be done with it till next year? :)
I'm doing my regular indoor stuff, but it's not very interesting.
Too bad it's getting dark so early, the weather is still great for cycling :(
August is pretty much the last month I feel like going out on the road bike, some days in September might do, but besides that it's mountainbike season.
A combination of a heavy work schedule and travel has meant that I havent been at the gym for over three weeks. Weight still constant at 260 but I am feeling weaker. Need to get back to those squats and bench presses.
Quote from: Scipio on October 15, 2014, 08:14:51 PM
Tomorrow ends Week 7 of StrongLifts 5x5. Good stuff.
I did 6 months of starting strength which is a fairly similar newbie program. I'm seeing men here do Stronglifts at the gym and getting good results with it. I went on to 5/3/1 once my beginner gains were in.
With you and me plus crazy canuck we could form the Languish barbell club. :showoff:
Quote from: Liep on October 16, 2014, 03:48:56 AM
Quote from: Maladict on October 15, 2014, 12:25:35 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 15, 2014, 06:54:25 AM
What say we all re-title the thread 'Unfitness 2014' and be done with it till next year? :)
I'm doing my regular indoor stuff, but it's not very interesting.
Too bad it's getting dark so early, the weather is still great for cycling :(
August is pretty much the last month I feel like going out on the road bike, some days in September might do, but besides that it's mountainbike season.
Yes, I came home in the dusk on the roads, and this time of year it's not ideal. I may have to curtail my riding to the weekends soon.
Riding through half meter deep water holes on a mountain bike is way funnier than it has any right to be. The forest is really starting to show that it's fall.
Quote from: Liep on October 18, 2014, 08:20:15 AM
Riding through half meter deep water holes on a mountain bike is way funnier than it has any right to be. The forest is really starting to show that it's fall.
:cool:
Yeah, last winter/spring during the unprecedented rain/flooding we had, I ended up having to cycle through a lot of flood-water.
Used a crappy bike I'd made up out of junk, so I wasn't at all bothered about water getting into the bottom bracket/wheel bearings and it was, as you say, more fun than it should be, cycling through deepwater/flooded roads. :)
edit:In away, part inspired by you, I went out into the garden/bike work area and resurrected the above crap bike, swapped a few pieces and I now have a single speed 29er(sell sort of 700-35s) set at 54 gear inches (or whatever 38-19 calculates to) . I can now throw it into mud and deep puddles/floods. :cool:
It's a funny arsed thing, I've never ridden a bike with such a low gearing, it's hilarious pedalling it. <_<
Popped out and did 50 kms in the Forest this afternoon, because I've been doing so little exercise, I ended up not going especially fast and finished with plenty in the tank remaining. :)
Quote from: mongers on October 19, 2014, 01:48:29 PM
Popped out and did 50 kms in the Forest this afternoon, because I've been doing so little exercise, I ended up not going especially fast and finished with plenty in the tank remaining. :)
Nice, is it still warm in the UK? It's been a steady 15 degrees here lately, great for forest trips where there's no wind.
Quote from: Liep on October 19, 2014, 02:48:21 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 19, 2014, 01:48:29 PM
Popped out and did 50 kms in the Forest this afternoon, because I've been doing so little exercise, I ended up not going especially fast and finished with plenty in the tank remaining. :)
Nice, is it still warm in the UK? It's been a steady 15 degrees here lately, great for forest trips where there's no wind.
Unseasonally so, mid-60s plus, only we had a 15-20 knot sea breeze most of Sunday, but I used a bit of 'tacking' and as you say took advantage of any trees.
But definitely worth getting out on these sort of days, as they'll not be many more this year.
Indeed, I was cosy running in a short sleeved T-shirt and capris today, and passed other runners sweltering in Arctic gear. I still haven't got the heating one.
It usually starts getting autumnal after the clocks go back (next weekend).
Quote from: Brazen on October 20, 2014, 09:32:54 AM
Indeed, I was cosy running in a short sleeved T-shirt and capris today, and passed other runners sweltering in Arctic gear. I still haven't got the heating one.
It usually starts getting autumnal after the clocks go back (next weekend).
Damn, thanks for that. :(
Did a swift 24 miles on the bike this afternoon in a bit under 1.5 hours, ok I guess as it included a long uphill slog.
Quote from: mongers on October 25, 2014, 05:05:36 PM
Did a swift 24 miles on the bike this afternoon in a bit under 1.5 hours, ok I guess as it included a long uphill slog.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 26, 2014, 08:35:36 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 25, 2014, 05:05:36 PM
Did a swift 24 miles on the bike this afternoon in a bit under 1.5 hours, ok I guess as it included a long uphill slog.
:thumbsup:
How's the weights going?
Gearing up for some skiing this winter?
I am back weight lifting but I have lost a lot of strength. Taking those weeks off really hurt. Sadly no skiing for me anymore. The cold is just too hard on the lungs.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 27, 2014, 01:37:42 PM
I am back weight lifting but I have lost a lot of strength. Taking those weeks off really hurt. Sadly no skiing for me anymore. The cold is just too hard on the lungs.
Never even considered that.
I'm just glad I never got into skiing because I Know I'd have ended up having a very serious accident, what with my lack of co-ordination and poor judgement of risks. :)
Weekly 24 mile 'maintenance' ride today, well barely that actually. <_<
Did a bunch of squats last night. I am sore today. In a good way.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 04, 2014, 06:22:49 PM
Did a bunch of squats last night. I am sore today. In a good way.
:thumbsup:
I'm stiff and sore in a bad way, back and neck locking up, too much hunched over a keyboard and not enough exercise. :(
Somehow I'll have to find some time tomorrow to do some loosening up and getting out of the saddle exercise on the bike, even if it means going out in the pitch black in the cold evening. <_<
Super broke at the moment so promised myself I wouldn't enter any more races until I'd got back into the swing of running three times a week for three weeks. As it's so dark in the mornings and evenings, I've taken to running from along Embankment and South Bank (either side of the Thames) a couple of lunchtimes a week with a longer run at lunchtimes. My colleagues are grateful this office at least has a shower! I'm not finding it any easier, except mentally. I'm not alone, there are a bazillion other runners out there, but I bloody hate all the tourists suddenly changing direction and stopping to use their selfie sticks i front of me. Zumba tonight because it makes me grin like a loon, and I've recently taken up power yoga on Sunday. Hour and a half of torture - I've never sweated so much but they reckon it burns bugger-all calories.
Re-organsed a few things and managed to get out in a nice sunny ,cool, autumn afternoon to visit a hospital, three shops, a museum and briefly a friend, a nice little 22-23 mile round trip. :)
Hopefully that'll keep the fitness gremlins at bay for a few days, especially given the rain forecast for rest of the week/month/year/eternity* <_<
* deleted depending on just how British you are.
Benched today, deadlifts tomorrow. :showoff: Did some sprints with a prowler, now that's cardio for ya.
Quote from: Legbiter on November 07, 2014, 02:53:32 PM
Benched today, deadlifts tomorrow. :showoff: Did some sprints with a prowler, now that's cardio for ya.
I have been using the heavy ropes for cardio in between lifting sets. That is hard enough for me. I think sprinting with a prowler would kill me.
My running is slipping...I've been doing more upper body work, and also been getting a bit less sleep. For whatever reason, I keep bailing on my long runs (today for example I planned to go 10.6 miles, but at the 2.6 mile mark decided that I'd treat the 2.6 miles as a warmup and work on speed--I think I was going to flame out if I pushed on and tried the full 10.6).
I have a half marathon scheduled in 2.5 weeks, and I'm thinking about pulling out. A part of the problem may be pacing. I've begun starting too fast out of the gate for some reason. But my diet, lack of sleep, and possible energy drain from weightlifting can't be helping.
Tomorrow I'm going to try a long run on a treadmill. That should solve the pacing problem. If I don't get at least 12 miles, I'll pull out of the half marathon.
Quote from: alfred russel on November 09, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
My running is slipping...I've been doing more upper body work, and also been getting a bit less sleep. For whatever reason, I keep bailing on my long runs (today for example I planned to go 10.6 miles, but at the 2.6 mile mark decided that I'd treat the 2.6 miles as a warmup and work on speed--I think I was going to flame out if I pushed on and tried the full 10.6).
I have a half marathon scheduled in 2.5 weeks, and I'm thinking about pulling out. A part of the problem may be pacing. I've begun starting too fast out of the gate for some reason. But my diet, lack of sleep, and possible energy drain from weightlifting can't be helping.
Tomorrow I'm going to try a long run on a treadmill. That should solve the pacing problem. If I don't get at least 12 miles, I'll pull out of the half marathon.
:cool:
Good luck with that, I've no words of wisdom to add.
Had to 'rescue' this thread from page 5.
Does that say it all ? :unsure:
edit:
Done just under a couple hundred miles so far this month on my one speed shopping bike, so just about ticking over.
Getting rather muddy in the process.
I'm doing the half marathon on Thursday.
I did get 12 miles on the treadmill. Still worried. Several people from work are running, and one guy just turned in a 1:38 time and there is another guy who is usually around 1:30. I won't be near those times, but the pressure is still on.
Why do I always hurt my back while doing overhead press?!
Quote from: alfred russel on November 23, 2014, 04:10:48 PM
I'm doing the half marathon on Thursday.
I did get 12 miles on the treadmill. Still worried. Several people from work are running, and one guy just turned in a 1:38 time and there is another guy who is usually around 1:30. I won't be near those times, but the pressure is still on.
Good luck with that, I'm sure you're be fine; enjoy it. :)
Half marathon done, with a time of 1 hr 53 min 25 sec. As good as I could have hoped for.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 23, 2014, 04:18:28 PM
Why do I always hurt my back while doing overhead press?!
You are definitely doing something wrong. Get someone to look at your form. Even at my height I have no problems with my back.
I have a new fitness target for the Winter*, cycle 750-900 miles these next three months and hopefully I'll end up retraining some fitness when Spring starts. :unsure:
*Winter offically starts tomorrow according to the Met office. :bowler:
If a half marathon is like 12 miles, I think I could do that with a little more work. :unsure:
But I know from firsthand experience that AR is in way, way better shape, cardiovascularly speaking. Also taller, so greater stride, etc.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 30, 2014, 04:02:13 PM
If a half marathon is like 12 miles, I think I could do that with a little more work. :unsure:
But I know from firsthand experience that AR is in way, way better shape, cardiovascularly speaking. Also taller, so greater stride, etc.
13.1, but based on what a lot of people do (run / walking ) you could do it now. The pace is everything. Im thinking about a goal for next year, and sort of want to go for sub 1 hr 45 min, but the work to do that is intimidating. You will probably find it a lot easier to stretch your long run distance from 7 to 13 than to shave a minute per mile from your pace.
CdM has a cat avatar, Mart just added one. Time to jump on the bandwagon.
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 30, 2014, 05:44:11 PM
CdM has a cat avatar, Mart just added one. Time to jump on the bandwagon.
Jumping on a bandwagon is still jumping, and jumping is related to fitness. :)
Quote from: alfred russel on November 30, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 30, 2014, 04:02:13 PM
If a half marathon is like 12 miles, I think I could do that with a little more work. :unsure:
But I know from firsthand experience that AR is in way, way better shape, cardiovascularly speaking. Also taller, so greater stride, etc.
13.1, but based on what a lot of people do (run / walking ) you could do it now. The pace is everything. Im thinking about a goal for next year, and sort of want to go for sub 1 hr 45 min, but the work to do that is intimidating. You will probably find it a lot easier to stretch your long run distance from 7 to 13 than to shave a minute per mile from your pace.
I'll say this, I have absolutely got to get some better shoes. I mean, I guess I could atart by actually purchasing a pair of my own instead of taking hand me.downs from my dad, whose feet I'm not convinced are exactly the same size.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 01, 2014, 06:01:55 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 30, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 30, 2014, 04:02:13 PM
If a half marathon is like 12 miles, I think I could do that with a little more work. :unsure:
But I know from firsthand experience that AR is in way, way better shape, cardiovascularly speaking. Also taller, so greater stride, etc.
13.1, but based on what a lot of people do (run / walking ) you could do it now. The pace is everything. Im thinking about a goal for next year, and sort of want to go for sub 1 hr 45 min, but the work to do that is intimidating. You will probably find it a lot easier to stretch your long run distance from 7 to 13 than to shave a minute per mile from your pace.
I'll say this, I have absolutely got to get some better shoes. I mean, I guess I could atart by actually purchasing a pair of my own instead of taking hand me.downs from my dad, whose feet I'm not convinced are exactly the same size.
I use some quite modest hi-tech activity shoes/boots and they've a nice hard/stiff sole so ideal for cycling and walking in, waterproof-ish and not bad for the occasional sprint for the bus/train.
Ide, I know you are not keen to blow money on stuff like this, but if you plan to keep running 5+ miles it would probably be a good idea to get new shoes from a running specialty store where they can watch you run and match your gait with a shoe. I go to fleet feet, and they apparently have a location in Columbia. New shoes usually run me between $100-$135.
They will try to sell you on socks, which are about $15 a pair. Those socks are good, but $15 a pair. I have a couple pair that I only use if going 12+ miles. There are decent running socks at Target that are much cheaper. The problem is if you are using cotton socks on long runs; they can do a number on your toes.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 01, 2014, 09:06:10 PM
Ide, I know you are not keen to blow money on stuff like this, but if you plan to keep running 5+ miles it would probably be a good idea to get new shoes from a running specialty store where they can watch you run and match your gait with a shoe. I go to fleet feet, and they apparently have a location in Columbia. New shoes usually run me between $100-$135.
They will try to sell you on socks, which are about $15 a pair. Those socks are good, but $15 a pair. I have a couple pair that I only use if going 12+ miles. There are decent running socks at Target that are much cheaper. The problem is if you are using cotton socks on long runs; they can do a number on your toes.
Things certainly have changed a lot since I did a lot of running in Silver Shadows, which I think are still standard British army issue. :)
Quote from: mongers on December 01, 2014, 09:10:15 PM
Things certainly have changed a lot since I did a lot of running in Silver Shadows, which I think are still standard British army issue. :)
I've heard people make the same comments a lot: "I ran marathons in normal shoes and socks back in the day, what is up with all this specialization?"
Maybe the best thing to do is to be aware of the options out there and take advantage of them when you feel there is a reason. Until I started going over 5 miles a run, I never had any problems. After that point, I started having injuries, and that is when I started shifting to different shoes and socks. The socks definitely help with toe and blister issues.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 01, 2014, 09:22:50 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 01, 2014, 09:10:15 PM
Things certainly have changed a lot since I did a lot of running in Silver Shadows, which I think are still standard British army issue. :)
I've heard people make the same comments a lot: "I ran marathons in normal shoes and socks back in the day, what is up with all this specialization?"
Maybe the best thing to do is to be aware of the options out there and take advantage of them when you feel there is a reason. Until I started going over 5 miles a run, I never had any problems. After that point, I started having injuries, and that is when I started shifting to different shoes and socks. The socks definitely help with toe and blister issues.
Oh I don't doubt you are right, I was just reflecting on just how primitive we were. :)
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 23, 2014, 04:18:28 PM
Why do I always hurt my back while doing overhead press?!
Try this: http://stronglifts.com/how-you-can-avoid-lower-back-pain-on-the-overhead-press/ (http://stronglifts.com/how-you-can-avoid-lower-back-pain-on-the-overhead-press/)
Are you doing warm-up sets starting super-light?
I probably am not doing enough warm ups. I'll do some hip openers too.
I started to follow the paleo diet. :P
Quote from: Martinus on December 02, 2014, 08:31:24 AM
I started to follow the paleo diet. :P
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Quote from: Martinus on December 02, 2014, 08:31:24 AM
I started to follow the paleo diet. :P
Oh you primitive. :D
Quote from: alfred russel on December 01, 2014, 09:06:10 PM
Ide, I know you are not keen to blow money on stuff like this, but if you plan to keep running 5+ miles it would probably be a good idea to get new shoes from a running specialty store where they can watch you run and match your gait with a shoe. I go to fleet feet, and they apparently have a location in Columbia. New shoes usually run me between $100-$135.
They will try to sell you on socks, which are about $15 a pair. Those socks are good, but $15 a pair. I have a couple pair that I only use if going 12+ miles. There are decent running socks at Target that are much cheaper. The problem is if you are using cotton socks on long runs; they can do a number on your toes.
Yeeg.
Sprinted the last mile of 4 today. You know, for December it's really hot outside.
Wanted to do 8, but 1)my foot hurts and 2)I had to deal with my neighbors for an hour or so, inasmuch as they left a faucet running against a stopped up pipe and, long story short, I've got water seeping down my walls.
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Yet still my corpulence haunts the underside of my expansive hide, seeming to vanish one day, only to return the next in spongy deposits of shame about my hips. WHAT IS THIS ACCURSED FLUX?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 23, 2014, 04:18:28 PM
Why do I always hurt my back while doing overhead press?!
Difficult to say without eyeballing. You could be overarching the back, it could be shoulder mobility issues, you could be pressing too much in front of your body, etc, etc. Get someone to check your form.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 02, 2014, 11:22:29 PM
Yet still my corpulence haunts the underside of my expansive hide, seeming to vanish one day, only to return the next in spongy deposits of shame about my hips. WHAT IS THIS ACCURSED FLUX?
Your body composition is made in the kitchen.
Eat meat, fish and fowl with a salad on the side. Throw in a sweet potato on your Lift Heavy Things day/s and observe the results.
Quote from: Legbiter on December 03, 2014, 08:39:35 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 02, 2014, 11:22:29 PM
Yet still my corpulence haunts the underside of my expansive hide, seeming to vanish one day, only to return the next in spongy deposits of shame about my hips. WHAT IS THIS ACCURSED FLUX?
Your body composition is made in the kitchen.
Eat meat, fish and fowl with a salad on the side. Throw in a sweet potato on your Lift Heavy Things day/s and observe the results.
Meh. I ate the same thing I always do, I just ran twice as far as I ordinarily would (8 mi). In fairness, I am plugging about 75g of protein per day now, although it's difficult to know how much is being used structurally.
I don't have a Lift Heavy Things day since I fucked up my shoulder apparently forever. Push-ups and curls are strictly limited and I'm kind of terrified to even try a military press with any kind of weight. And yes, I know I should go see a doctor, but I'm broke and don't have health insurance. Although since I'm broke it wouldn't matter anyway. Thanks a lot, Obama. :rolleyes:
Anyway, Running Diary, Jan. 5 2014: just because your core temperature is elevated and you're sweating, doesn't mean your reproductive organs aren't cold. Do not panic. You were not placed under a hex.
I dont know what you are talking about.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 06, 2014, 10:38:28 AM
I dont know what you are talking about.
Ide went for a run and was amazed that his bollocks shrunk due to the cold.
Little late, but penis, actually. I think my testes remained the same, but I didn't measure.
In other emasculations, I met a pseudo-setback today. My goal was 11.7 miles--three circuits around the neighborhood. I actually ran further than ever--about 10 miles straight, with the only break of any import for the first 9 to pop back into my house to put on chapstick, have a sip from a can of delicious People's Cola, and text a girl I'm talking to, all told about two-three minutes. But starting around that 10th mile, I started seriously losing feeling in the toes of my left foot. I probably stopped four times during mile 10 to fix my sock, which made precious little difference.
Right foot: absolutely fine.
Wound up walking mile 11, and running maybe five hundred yards' worth of the last .7.
I'm really disappointed, because I wanted to be able to possibly exceed the 11.7 and hit a half-marathon's length.
On the other hand, I burned about 1000-1100 calories, so certainly my primary mission is accomplished. Meh, it's just kind of a bummer. I mainly post about it because I want to know if it's a shoe thing, or if I just have some kind of problem with my left leg, or I need to do more squats, or what.
Just managing to catch, here and there, the occasional 10-15 mile trip on my shopping bike. :blush:
Quote from: mongers on December 11, 2014, 06:01:38 PM
Just managing to catch, here and there, the occasional 10-15 mile trip on my shopping bike. :blush:
Jeeze, what a slacker.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 11, 2014, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 11, 2014, 06:01:38 PM
Just managing to catch, here and there, the occasional 10-15 mile trip on my shopping bike. :blush:
Jeeze, what a slacker.
:P
Sadly I'm in a real decline, for each of the last few years my milage has been declining by 700 miles each year. <_<
Quote from: Ideologue on December 10, 2014, 06:35:17 PM
Little late, but penis, actually. I think my testes remained the same, but I didn't measure.
In other emasculations, I met a pseudo-setback today. My goal was 11.7 miles--three circuits around the neighborhood. I actually ran further than ever--about 10 miles straight, with the only break of any import for the first 9 to pop back into my house to put on chapstick, have a sip from a can of delicious People's Cola, and text a girl I'm talking to, all told about two-three minutes. But starting around that 10th mile, I started seriously losing feeling in the toes of my left foot. I probably stopped four times during mile 10 to fix my sock, which made precious little difference.
Right foot: absolutely fine.
Wound up walking mile 11, and running maybe five hundred yards' worth of the last .7.
I'm really disappointed, because I wanted to be able to possibly exceed the 11.7 and hit a half-marathon's length.
On the other hand, I burned about 1000-1100 calories, so certainly my primary mission is accomplished. Meh, it's just kind of a bummer. I mainly post about it because I want to know if it's a shoe thing, or if I just have some kind of problem with my left leg, or I need to do more squats, or what.
Your feet swell when you run, especially long distances. The running shoes I have are a size and a half bigger than what I measure to take this into account. Still, if I tie the shoes tightly, my feet will often go numb at the end of a long run. It is a balance though: if the shoe is too loose at the start of your run you will blister.
Just entered a half marathon in May. My hip immediately seized up in protest.
Quote from: Brazen on December 12, 2014, 09:10:14 AM
Just entered a half marathon in May. My hip immediately seized up in protest.
Awesome & good luck.
How much was the entrance fee? (I'm asking because I'm sure the answer will cause someone here to shake his head :P )
There are fees? :huh:
Quote from: Ideologue on December 12, 2014, 03:06:17 PM
There are fees? :huh:
Since Brazen isn't helping me out here, I'll tell you that I paid $97 to run in the last half marathon I did (it would have been a lot cheaper but I signed up at the very last moment).
In distressing news, there are 3 reasons I keep showing up to work for my employer:
1) The cafeteria has really good food at decent prices.
2) I like the gym.
3) They pay me money.
This should be in past tense. Last June our cafeteria was closed for renovations and now won't reopen until May (!). It better be awesome, because the time of the renovations is almost as long as it took to build the empire state building. We have been reduced to food trucks and inside the building sandwiches and salads.
In a more tragic development, our gym closed last Friday for renovations and won't reopen until June/July. I just joined an LA Fitness. The best part of the workplace gym was that I could stand under a fan on high blast while running on the treadmill. The LA Fitness is really warm and there is no fan. Damn it all.
So now for motivation to show up to work all I have left is the money they give me. I'm not bluffing on this: if they take that away too I'm not showing up anymore. All internet surfing will be done from home.*
*Assuming unemployment is enough to cover internet fees.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 22, 2014, 11:56:27 PM
So now for motivation to show up to work all I have left is the money they give me. I'm not bluffing on this: if they take that away too I'm not showing up anymore.
:lol:
Quote from: alfred russel on December 22, 2014, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 12, 2014, 03:06:17 PM
There are fees? :huh:
Since Brazen isn't helping me out here, I'll tell you that I paid $97 to run in the last half marathon I did (it would have been a lot cheaper but I signed up at the very last moment).
Sorry :Embarrass:
This was £42 plus £2.52 admin fees. Think I got a £5 early entry discount on that. This was a relatively cheap one. I was trying to persuade a colleague to enter a triathlon, but you can't get change from £100 for even a sprint tri.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 12, 2014, 03:03:16 PM
Quote from: Brazen on December 12, 2014, 09:10:14 AM
Just entered a half marathon in May. My hip immediately seized up in protest.
Awesome & good luck.
How much was the entrance fee? (I'm asking because I'm sure the answer will cause someone here to shake his head :P )
I want to run the half marathon in my hometown this summer and it is between 30€ and 45€ depending on when you register.
Barely done a couple of hundred miles this month, nearly all of it on my shopping bike. :blush:
Jesus Christ. Dorse, Braze, you know there are all sorts of roads you've already paid for that extend 12 miles, right?
Catastrophic failure on all fronts. As I'm approaching thirty I need to sort myself the fuck out next year <_<
You'll be fine, beautiful.
:lol: Much obliged.
:hug:
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 23, 2014, 03:19:06 PM
Catastrophic failure on all fronts. As I'm approaching thirty I need to sort myself the fuck out next year <_<
All joking aside, you can get away with a lot of bad stuff in your 20s, but the 30s is the time when you firmly establish good and bad habits, that'll significantly affect on-going healthiness in your 40s and 40s.
Shelf, do you still smoke? Because that seems the thing you can change that'll bring the most significant immediate and long term benefits.
Clearly obesity and diabetes will never be an issue with a sophisticate like you. :P
How's the booze consumption or are you going to fall into the bad 'habits' that seem to consume at least every other of my 40s/50s friends?