Poll
Question:
How good is the new Star Wars flick overall?
Option 1: Awesome! A: Best Star Wars movie yet, Abrams and Co. found the right mix of action and story!
votes: 8
Option 2: B: Very, very good! Probaby not up there with the best of the series, but vastly better than any of 1/2/3, and mostly met our lofty expectations!
votes: 30
Option 3: C: Solid. Better than the 1/2/3 disasters, but missed on the story in some ways, not as good as 4/5/6 overall
votes: 11
Option 4: D: Uggh. Are we sure Lucas wasn't involved?
votes: 1
Option 5: F: I miss JarJar
votes: 6
OK, so this is for your vote and comments on how you voted.
No discussion of the movie itself, plot, action, whatever - and certainly no spoilers. Just your overall assessment please, and only vote if you have actually, you know, seen the movie!
Please do include a comment with your rating.
Lastly, for purposes of the poll, I would define "Meets expectation" as "Not terrible like the Lucas crap, but doesn't rise to the level of the 4/5/6 movies, but doesn't fall vastly short either."
You mean we can't vote that we miss Jar Jar unless we have seen the new movie? :(
B+
If meeting my expectations is a C then this would be A+++, but since it was so good I feel it's only right to compare it to 4,5,6 and there it competes but doesn't outshine.
I have decided to go ahead and see it with my oldest kid and my wife. But she has strict rules about movies, no opening weekends. So it will be the 27th for us. I will try to not be spoilered until then.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
I have decided to go ahead and see it with my oldest kid and my wife. But she has strict rules about movies, no opening weekends. So it will be the 27th for us. I will try to not be spoilered until then.
I can promise you that if you think it's fine for the younger one you will want to see it again anyway. Win/win.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
But she has strict rules about movies, no opening weekends.
:zipped:
Quote from: garbon on December 16, 2015, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
But she has strict rules about movies, no opening weekends.
:zipped:
She managed a movie theatre in College and has all these pet peeves and so forth.
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
I have decided to go ahead and see it with my oldest kid and my wife. But she has strict rules about movies, no opening weekends. So it will be the 27th for us. I will try to not be spoilered until then.
I'm going on the same day. I think there will be about 20 of us including kids from 5 upwards which sucks for the rest of the cinema.
I will only watch it on the 9th of January. Each day between Friday and then I will die a little inside. So fuck you all who get to watch it before then :P
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2015, 12:05:54 PM
I will only watch it on the 9th of January. Each day between Friday and then I will die a little inside. So fuck you all who get to watch it before then :P
Why such delay?
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 16, 2015, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 16, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
But she has strict rules about movies, no opening weekends.
:zipped:
She managed a movie theatre in College and has all these pet peeves and so forth.
Opening day Matinee or late Sunday best times on opening weekend. :yes:
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2015, 12:28:06 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2015, 12:05:54 PM
I will only watch it on the 9th of January. Each day between Friday and then I will die a little inside. So fuck you all who get to watch it before then :P
Why such delay?
Its complicated. :P I will be in Hungary during the interim period, where there will be no IMAX showing in English, and I don't want to watch it without the GF who doesn't speak Hungarian that much, and is a big SW fan. :blush:
Oh and I'm in no rush to see it. My cousins invited me to see with them on Friday, I said pass.
If this gets generally positive reviews, I'll try and catch it in the next couple of years. :bowler:
I'll be seeing it Saturday night, with a good (but totally overpriced) bottle of wine to help pass the bad moments :P
The reviews and the "final trailer" bode well. I have a ticket for Saturday.
I was too young to go to the Episode IV in 1979, but I suffered through the painal of Episode I on its premiere back in the 90s.
Quote from: mongers on December 16, 2015, 01:40:52 PM
If this gets generally positive reviews, I'll try and catch it in the next couple of years. :bowler:
Is Bournemouth that far behind? :P
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 16, 2015, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 16, 2015, 01:40:52 PM
If this gets generally positive reviews, I'll try and catch it in the next couple of years. :bowler:
Is Bournemouth that far behind? :P
:D
I think it's about 30 years away/ago.
A spoiler free review round up by the Beeb: http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35109900
In my seat, 10 min to go. Please, don't let this movie suck.
Seen it today. I'm wavering between A and B on this. Voted B because it's a bit subjective on what you consider awesome, but I'd say it's definitely up there with Episodes 4 and 5 in quality. :)
Haven't seen it yet, hoping to do so this evening, but how can there not be "Abram's has restored balance to the force" option?
No spoilers I promise
Oscar Issac covering Bill Murray http://youtu.be/RS9LPPOIEZM (http://youtu.be/RS9LPPOIEZM)
I enjoyed this. A lot. Is it the Fury Road of Star Wars? No. But it plays nicely to the nostalgia of the original trilogy and adds enough new stuff to keep it fresh. I'm very much looking forward to Episode VIII and to watching this one again. It is nice to see what competent script writers, directors and actors can do with this universe and it makes the prequels look even more out of place. I'll put up a detailed commentary in the spoiler thread later today. It is 3:15am and I need some sleep. :D
Three troll votes for Jar Jar Binks: Languish is not dying! :)
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 17, 2015, 10:25:40 AM
Three troll votes for Jar Jar Binks: Languish is not dying! :)
Jar Jar Binks: The Jaron of Star Wars? :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on December 17, 2015, 10:27:53 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 17, 2015, 10:25:40 AM
Three troll votes for Jar Jar Binks: Languish is not dying! :)
Jar Jar Binks: The Jaron of Star Wars? :hmm:
Jaron Jaron Binks?
BTW, is Jaron pronounced like JarJar or like Jared? Or should there be an H sound at the front? :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
BTW, is Jaron pronounced like JarJar or like Jared? Or should there be an H sound at the front? :hmm:
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
BTW, is Jaron pronounced like JarJar or like Jared? Or should there be an H sound at the front? :hmm:
I imagine it to be the way KAP pronounced it, as we used to have a sound file over there with him saying "It's Jaron's fault". He pronounced it like "JARE-inn".
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2015, 01:11:30 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
BTW, is Jaron pronounced like JarJar or like Jared? Or should there be an H sound at the front? :hmm:
I imagine it to be the way KAP pronounced it, as we used to have a sound file over there with him saying "It's Jaron's fault". He pronounced it like "JARE-inn".
That doesn't even make sense. I could dig Jare-unn but inn? :huh:
Quote from: garbon on December 17, 2015, 01:18:33 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2015, 01:11:30 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
BTW, is Jaron pronounced like JarJar or like Jared? Or should there be an H sound at the front? :hmm:
I imagine it to be the way KAP pronounced it, as we used to have a sound file over there with him saying "It's Jaron's fault". He pronounced it like "JARE-inn".
That doesn't even make sense. I could dig Jare-unn but inn? :huh:
Jare-unn vs. Jare-inn sound virtually the same to me. :hmm:
I pronounce it Ju-RON.
Half the time I read it as Jared, and thought he might be the same person as the Sandwich guy. Since he's still posting I suppose that theory is now discredited.
Jare-on
I'm with Cal on this. Jare-unn/inn
Yar-Own.
JA-ron, sort of running into JA-rin
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2015, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 17, 2015, 01:18:33 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2015, 01:11:30 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
BTW, is Jaron pronounced like JarJar or like Jared? Or should there be an H sound at the front? :hmm:
I imagine it to be the way KAP pronounced it, as we used to have a sound file over there with him saying "It's Jaron's fault". He pronounced it like "JARE-inn".
That doesn't even make sense. I could dig Jare-unn but inn? :huh:
Jare-unn vs. Jare-inn sound virtually the same to me. :hmm:
I don't know what to say. You least have figured mine out right?
Quote from: garbon on December 17, 2015, 02:10:41 PM
I don't know what to say. You least have figure mine out right?
I can't even figure out your second sentence. :P
Quote from: garbon on December 17, 2015, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2015, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 17, 2015, 01:18:33 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2015, 01:11:30 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
BTW, is Jaron pronounced like JarJar or like Jared? Or should there be an H sound at the front? :hmm:
I imagine it to be the way KAP pronounced it, as we used to have a sound file over there with him saying "It's Jaron's fault". He pronounced it like "JARE-inn".
That doesn't even make sense. I could dig Jare-unn but inn? :huh:
Jare-unn vs. Jare-inn sound virtually the same to me. :hmm:
I don't know what to say. You least have figure mine out right?
gare-binn?
Quote from: Malthus on December 17, 2015, 02:18:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 17, 2015, 02:10:41 PM
I don't know what to say. You least have figure mine out right?
I can't even figure out your second sentence. :P
Sorry meant figured. Fixing it now.
Pronounced like the country, right?
a hijack that isn't about the ACW, Canada or religion... impressive.
going to watch between X-mas and NewYear.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 17, 2015, 02:43:18 PM
a hijack that isn't about the ACW, Canada or religion... impressive.
going to watch between X-mas and NewYear.
It is nice to know that Languish has resisted the flashy hype of a new Star Wars movie to argue about the truly important matters in life - such as how to pronounce "Jaron". :D
Quote from: Malthus on December 17, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 17, 2015, 02:43:18 PM
a hijack that isn't about the ACW, Canada or religion... impressive.
going to watch between X-mas and NewYear.
It is nice to know that Languish has resisted the flashy hype of a new Star Wars movie to argue about the truly important matters in life - such as how to pronounce "Jaron". :D
So true, warms the heart. BTW, I pronounce Jaron as ass-hole.
Quote from: garbon on December 17, 2015, 02:10:41 PM
I don't know what to say. You least have figured mine out right?
Shar-Bonne
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 17, 2015, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: Malthus on December 17, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 17, 2015, 02:43:18 PM
a hijack that isn't about the ACW, Canada or religion... impressive.
going to watch between X-mas and NewYear.
It is nice to know that Languish has resisted the flashy hype of a new Star Wars movie to argue about the truly important matters in life - such as how to pronounce "Jaron". :D
So true, warms the heart. BTW, I pronounce Jaron as ass-hole.
No spoilers please! :mad:
I'm afraid to vote right now, as we just came back from it, stilled hyped, need to let it sink in.
Right now I would vote "A". Lets see tomorrow.
Well done, perfect score, felt like a Star Wars movie, some good action, jokes, and old characters while bringing in the new ones.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 17, 2015, 02:43:18 PM
a hijack that isn't about the ACW, Canada or religion... impressive.
So... Burr cut or bear coot?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2015, 11:39:03 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 17, 2015, 02:43:18 PM
a hijack that isn't about the ACW, Canada or religion... impressive.
So... Burr cut or bear coot?
If you go by the Russo/Ukrainian pronunciation (where the word is from), it'd be the BEAR-coot.
Some critics seem to complain that it alludes too much to the original movies in themes, call backs etc. Others say that the movie plays it very safe by giving fans exactly what they want.
I can see their point, but I think the movie strikes a good balance. Also, I think this is what was necessary to restore fans' faith in the franchise, before moving on to (potentially) do something completely new in the other movies.
And even though I do like watching the prequels, Episode VII very easily in the dust and makes them look even worse than before.
Made me feel like a kid again back when the original trilogy came out (ages 5/8/11)
Quote from: Syt on December 18, 2015, 03:15:06 AM
Some critics seem to complain that it alludes too much to the original movies in themes, call backs etc. Others say that the movie plays it very safe by giving fans exactly what they want.
Critics going to part seven of a franchise to see something new :hmm:
QuoteAnd even though I do like watching the prequels,
:o
But, you know, to each their own.
QuoteEpisode VII very easily in the dust and makes them look even worse than before.
Basic competence in movie making will do that.
The prequels ... yeah, they're not great. I watch them for the action scenes and lightsaber fights. And for the scenery porn, CGI as it is - Coruscant, Kamino, Mustafar ... The Clone Wars cartoon is probably the best thing to come out of the prequels.
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 17, 2015, 11:03:03 PM
I'm afraid to vote right now, as we just came back from it, stilled hyped, need to let it sink in.
Right now I would vote "A". Lets see tomorrow.
Well done, perfect score, felt like a Star Wars movie, some good action, jokes, and old characters while bringing in the new ones.
I'll go ahead and give it the A it deserves.
I'll go watch it again this weekend. :)
Bear-coot
So, you guys are saying it's pretty good?
Quote from: Syt on December 18, 2015, 03:15:06 AM
Some critics seem to complain that it alludes too much to the original movies in themes, call backs etc. Others say that the movie plays it very safe by giving fans exactly what they want.
I can see their point, but I think the movie strikes a good balance. Also, I think this is what was necessary to restore fans' faith in the franchise, before moving on to (potentially) do something completely new in the other movies.
And even though I do like watching the prequels, Episode VII very easily in the dust and makes them look even worse than before.
I heard opinions that the movie plays it safe as it needs to win the old fans back - once it has apparently done so, the remaining two movies will be where the new stuff comes in.
Edit: I should read the whole post before commenting - I responded by basically reiterating what you said. :P
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 17, 2015, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: Malthus on December 17, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 17, 2015, 02:43:18 PM
a hijack that isn't about the ACW, Canada or religion... impressive.
going to watch between X-mas and NewYear.
It is nice to know that Languish has resisted the flashy hype of a new Star Wars movie to argue about the truly important matters in life - such as how to pronounce "Jaron". :D
So true, warms the heart. BTW, I pronounce Jaron as ass-hole.
That's mean. :mad:
I'll see it sometime next week. I heard that there is a focus on practical special effects so that should be neat. I'm not a big fan of everything being rendered in CGI. Makes it feel like a video game.
Movie is great and made me feel like a kid again.
C - Good, not great. But I had a good time.
Yikes. East German judge?
There's too many things that took me out of the film, but I won't spoil them there. But it has a lot of enjoyable things in it, too.
It's several orders of magnitude better than 1,2,3. That's for sure.
Quote from: celedhring on December 18, 2015, 08:02:47 PM
C - Good, not great. But I had a good time.
I see Ide is back. <_<
Ide would have given it a B.
Quote from: celedhring on December 18, 2015, 08:37:37 PM
Ide would have given it a B.
"Worst movie I've ever seen - B-"
Quote from: celedhring on December 18, 2015, 08:02:47 PM
C - Good, not great. But I had a good time.
Will there be a curve?
Just got back. My initial feeling is "A".
Might temper to a B...but I suspect maybe not.
Outstanding.
I have tickets to see it tomorrow with Timmy. :cool:
Okay upping it to C+ after second viewing. The spirit is there and I like the characters, but I have many issues with the plot.
That makes it the second best action/adventure film I have seen all year behind Mad Max. It ain't such a bad grade. (Haven't seen Antman yet).
If the last three movies get a good fan base maybe they'll redo the prequels :ph34r:
Quote from: HVC on December 20, 2015, 05:28:41 AM
If the last three movies get a good fan base maybe they'll redo the prequels :ph34r:
I have secret hopes for that, but it will be at least a decade away, and not while Lucas is alive I presume (even if he doesn't have any power over the franchise anymore, you don't want to insult the creator of the saga so openly).
I do wonder, though, how Lucas feels these days. He had huge success with the original trilogy. Then, when he had technical means to create the vision he originally had he "improved" them and many fans (not all) hated it.
Then he creates the prequels, again following his vision and in the way he wants it, and the fans hate it even more. Then he gives up on it, hands it over to someone else in what amounts to "Fine, if you're so smart, then *you* do it!"
And now fans (by and large) love the new movie, and it makes the prequels look even worse. I'm guessing you need a really thick skin for that kind of backlash.
And it's also tragic in a way, that you have a personal narrative where the fans love your imperfect creation but by and large hate the one that comes close to your original vision. I found his comments after he got a private advance screening telling: "I think the fans are going to love it. It's very much the kind of movie they've been looking for." It implies, "But it's not the movie I would have made." For him, and I kind of admire that, making those movies at this point seems to be about creating his own universe in the way he wants, and fans be damned (but buy the toys, please). I suppose that's what happens when an artist frees himself from the (often corrective) opinion of editors, producers, public, or critics.
I think there's a remote possibility that Disney will declare the current prequels non-canon at some point and re-do them; but they could add insult to injury by creating special editions of the prequels, using alternate (maybe better acted) takes, refurbishing special effects, or change scenes that were dear to George Lucas. :P
There were zero referenceso to the prequels, so there is a chance. I actually liked the prequel story arc, just not the actual execution.
Quote from: Zanza on December 20, 2015, 06:26:43 AM
There were zero referenceso to the prequels, so there is a chance. I actually liked the prequel story arc, just not the actual execution.
Yeah, it was a very good idea on paper; six movies telling the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. They were just awfully terrible films.
This is now my favourite of ALL the Star Wars films.
Anyone who knows me knows that I love sci-fi and fantasy, but I never really got on with the Star Wars franchise. 10-year-old-me was confused about the concept (wait, this is about taxation?) and the terrible cuts and dialogue made it hard to follow. The only female character was a princess and I was so over that. And even at 10 I knew a parsec was a measure of distance. The sequels seemed marketing-led, the "director's cuts" twee and the prequels... well the less said about those, the better.
The Force Awakens was almost a remake of A New Hope but with everyone's problems with it addressed. Or as a friend put it, like a tribute act that invited back some of the original members. The script was a vast improvement, the plot was linear and interesting with some real drama, the casting was spot-on (there were even some hugely respected actors in the background who didn't even get to speak) and the SFX just the right mix of a light hand with CGI and proper models.
There are women and people of different ethnicities in key roles (though both still under-represented in my opinion. The characterisation had more shades of grey, not just black and white (or light and dark). I did have a small problem with the Big Bad who seemed more suited to a Harry Potter role.
I laughed, gasped, and yes, cried. If you're on the fence about it, go and see it at the cinema; it just won't be the when on DVD/download release.
And the parsecs? For posterity's sake, I'll forgive you that one, JJ.
Quote from: Syt on December 20, 2015, 06:05:50 AM
I think there's a remote possibility that Disney will declare the current prequels non-canon at some point and re-do them; but they could add insult to injury by creating special editions of the prequels, using alternate (maybe better acted) takes, refurbishing special effects, or change scenes that were dear to George Lucas. :P
IMO that would be a good move and a cash cow.
I think you could redo the sequels without even declaring the old ones non-canon. Just tell the same story over again, with different emphasis, and add competent story writing and direction.
Ep VII has shattered opening box office records, and it's guaranteed to become one of the top 5 films of all time, with a decent shot at breaking Avatar's record. So we'll get Star Wars for a while.
I hope this means more Star Wars videogames besides a half-assed MOBA...
People our age have a relationship with Star Wars that is a bit like a child with an abusive parent. Yes, I love you, but you beat me.
Now, we've been adopted by Disney and we're never really sure if they actually mean it when they say they won't hit us.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 22, 2015, 04:13:08 AM
People our age have a relationship with Star Wars that is a bit like a child with an abusive parent. Yes, I love you, but you beat me.
Now, we've been adopted by Disney and we're never really sure if they actually mean it when they say they won't hit us.
Disney is only interested in our auntie's inheritance, but will treat us well as long as we fork the money over.
The Simpsons in 2009:
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(Though I believe we're at Chipmunk movie #4 now?)
Quote from: celedhring on December 21, 2015, 04:39:35 AM
Ep VII has shattered opening box office records, and it's guaranteed to become one of the top 5 films of all time, with a decent shot at breaking Avatar's record. So we'll get Star Wars for a while.
I hope this means more Star Wars videogames besides a half-assed MOBA...
maybe we'll get a new and good X-wing/Tie-Fighter type game out of it. Given the apparent rise in interest in space-sims.
Or something as good as KotoR.
Quote from: celedhring on December 22, 2015, 05:26:23 AM
Disney is only interested in our auntie's inheritance, but will treat us well as long as we fork the money over.
I have lots and lots of stock that says keep it up. :P
But honestly I think Abrams gave a crap about it. Like he'll shit all over Star Trek but this is...different.
Quote from: Zanza on December 22, 2015, 06:48:42 AM
Or something as good as KotoR.
Still waiting for my Privateer/Freespace/Elite II in Star Wars universe. :(
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 22, 2015, 07:14:08 AM
Quote from: celedhring on December 22, 2015, 05:26:23 AM
Disney is only interested in our auntie's inheritance, but will treat us well as long as we fork the money over.
I have lots and lots of stock that says keep it up. :P
But honestly I think Abrams gave a crap about it. Like he'll shit all over Star Trek but this is...different.
He said he hadn't watched Trek before signing on for the movies. On the other hand he's a self professed life long Star Wars fanboy ... and yeah, it shows.
Quote from: Syt on December 22, 2015, 07:16:41 AM
Quote from: Zanza on December 22, 2015, 06:48:42 AM
Or something as good as KotoR.
Still waiting for my Privateer/Freespace/Elite II in Star Wars universe. :(
Yeah, that would be epic. I wonder if it will be possible to mod Stellaris into the SW universe.
Would be surprised if not, but it seems too large in scope to make much sense for Star Wars (the Exploration/Expansion part at least, unless you make the game start 20,000 years before the movies). Sins of a Solar Empire/Homeworld appears to be better geared towards the Star Wars universe (and I'm not a fan of real time games and there are appropriate mods). I think an overhaul of Rebellion/Empire at War would be best.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 22, 2015, 07:14:08 AM
Quote from: celedhring on December 22, 2015, 05:26:23 AM
Disney is only interested in our auntie's inheritance, but will treat us well as long as we fork the money over.
I have lots and lots of stock that says keep it up. :P
But honestly I think Abrams gave a crap about it. Like he'll shit all over Star Trek but this is...different.
The movie has a lot of minor flaws that pissed me off, but it got the most important things right, and yeah, I got the feeling they are going to tell a good Star Wars story at the end of it all.
Star Wars game:
The setting for Ep VII would be great for a strategy war game where the player takes over a planet in a part of the galaxy not controlled tightly by the New Republic or the First Order.
I agree in part with Brazen so that's above the lousy average of blockbusters, CGI is not too intrusive, no Jar Jar Binks, no rape of childhood memories à la first trilogy, lots of winks/fan service.
However, nothing groundbreaking so the first trilogy has nothing to fear. That's where I disagree with Brazen.
Managed to catch an early, morning screening, at the IMAX cinema without paying the IMAX supplement, all included in my flat rate cinema card so it's good and may rewatch it.
Higher expectations for Episode 8.
Quote from: Berkut on December 22, 2015, 08:57:36 AM
Star Wars game:
The setting for Ep VII would be great for a strategy war game where the player takes over a planet in a part of the galaxy not controlled tightly by the New Republic or the First Order.
OMG SPOILER ALERT
I enjoyed it - had the authentic Star Wars flavor - but damn, it was so close to the first movie. Is there no other story to tell in this universe than the one? :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on December 22, 2015, 09:58:49 AM
I enjoyed it - had the authentic Star Wars flavor - but damn, it was so close to the first movie. Is there no other story to tell in this universe than the one? :hmm:
Out of 7 Star Wars films...[spoiler] 3 have planet-destroying superweapons being the major plot thread. It's a bit silly at this point.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Tamas on December 22, 2015, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: Berkut on December 22, 2015, 08:57:36 AM
Star Wars game:
The setting for Ep VII would be great for a strategy war game where the player takes over a planet in a part of the galaxy not controlled tightly by the New Republic or the First Order.
OMG SPOILER ALERT
Why spoiler alert? He did not mention Jar Jar at all.
Quote from: celedhring on December 22, 2015, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: Malthus on December 22, 2015, 09:58:49 AM
I enjoyed it - had the authentic Star Wars flavor - but damn, it was so close to the first movie. Is there no other story to tell in this universe than the one? :hmm:
Out of 7 Star Wars films...[spoiler] 3 have planet-destroying superweapons being the major plot thread. It's a bit silly at this point.[/spoiler]
The ratio is even worse when you consider only the four movies that are any good. :D
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Quote from: Berkut on December 22, 2015, 08:57:36 AM
Star Wars game:
The setting for Ep VII would be great for a strategy war game where the player takes over a planet in a part of the galaxy not controlled tightly by the New Republic or the First Order.
OMG SPOILER ALERT
Why spoiler alert? He did not mention Jar Jar at all.
Yes, I was pretty shocked when they revealed Jar Jar had gone over to the Dark Side and was the new dark lord.
It could happen.
Quote from: Malthus on December 22, 2015, 10:28:19 AM
Yes, I was pretty shocked when they revealed Jar Jar had gone over to the Dark Side and was the new dark lord.
Yousa gonna feel my FORCE LIGHTNING
Quote from: Berkut on December 16, 2015, 11:21:17 AM
OK, so this is for your vote and comments on how you voted.
No discussion of the movie itself, plot, action, whatever - and certainly no spoilers. Just your overall assessment please, and only vote if you have actually, you know, seen the movie!
Please do include a comment with your rating.
Lastly, for purposes of the poll, I would define "Meets expectation" as "Not terrible like the Lucas crap, but doesn't rise to the level of the 4/5/6 movies, but doesn't fall vastly short either."
somewhere between B and C for me. It's a good movie. There are some things I don't like, some things that are supposedly impossible to do even with the force. There are problems with the plot and how certain characters react to tragic events. At some point, I'd say the movie becomes quite predictable. There is a particular twist though, you expect it, yet you can't believe it will happen. There are elements of all movies (yes, even Ep1) in it, so it lacks in originality.
What do we have? A typical blockbuster that re-uses elements from all the movies and gives us a somewhat predictable scenario. Yet, it works. Admirably.
I recommend you see it, if you haven't done so already.
How appropriate for children? Compared to 4/5/6?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2015, 10:51:21 AM
How appropriate for children? Compared to 4/5/6?
I'd say almost exactly the same. Some frightening/intense scenes, as one would expect.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2015, 10:51:21 AM
How appropriate for children? Compared to 4/5/6?
About on par. There was a little bit of blood, which might be the first time that was seen in a Star Wars movie.
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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2015, 10:51:21 AM
How appropriate for children? Compared to 4/5/6?
A bit darker than 4. On par with 5-6 I'd say... the baddies are a bit nastier than the old Empire and even though the violence itself is pretty clean (like in the old movies), there's a few strong/frightening scenes here and there (like in the old movies too).
Quote from: Barrister on December 22, 2015, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2015, 10:51:21 AM
How appropriate for children? Compared to 4/5/6?
About on par. There was a little bit of blood, which might be the first time that was seen in a Star Wars movie.
The severed arm in Ep. IV had more blood.
Quote from: Syt on December 22, 2015, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 22, 2015, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2015, 10:51:21 AM
How appropriate for children? Compared to 4/5/6?
About on par. There was a little bit of blood, which might be the first time that was seen in a Star Wars movie.
The severed arm in Ep. IV had more blood.
Not sure about that. :hmm:
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In any event, the blood on the troopers helmet is there for a long time, unlike the split second shot of the severed arm.
I'm going to watch the movie in a couple of hours. I must say that I've managed to contain the hype pretty well so far, but now that it's getting close I can feel the tingling. :w00t: :nerd:
I don't understand the Star Wars hype. The last ones were shit, why should the new one get the benefit of doubt? Because Disney made it?
Quote from: Brezel on December 22, 2015, 11:41:04 AM
I don't understand the Star Wars hype. The last ones were shit, why should the new one get the benefit of doubt? Because Disney made it?
You don't have to take it on faith. The movie is out, there are plenty of reviews.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens has a 95% rating on Rottentomatoes.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens/
Quote from: Brezel on December 22, 2015, 11:41:04 AM
I don't understand the Star Wars hype. The last ones were shit, why should the new one get the benefit of doubt? Because Disney made it?
The director of the new Star Wars destroyed Vulcan on his Star Trek movie. This has to count for something. :smarty:
Quote from: Barrister on December 22, 2015, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: Brezel on December 22, 2015, 11:41:04 AM
I don't understand the Star Wars hype. The last ones were shit, why should the new one get the benefit of doubt? Because Disney made it?
You don't have to take it on faith. The movie is out, there are plenty of reviews.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens has a 95% rating on Rottentomatoes.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens/
Of course, simply "not having Jar Jar in it" guarantees an automatic 80% ;)
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Quote from: Barrister on December 22, 2015, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: Brezel on December 22, 2015, 11:41:04 AM
I don't understand the Star Wars hype. The last ones were shit, why should the new one get the benefit of doubt? Because Disney made it?
You don't have to take it on faith. The movie is out, there are plenty of reviews.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens has a 95% rating on Rottentomatoes.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens/
Of course, simply "not having Jar Jar in it" guarantees an automatic 80% ;)
At least 85% IMHO.
Quote from: Malthus on December 22, 2015, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 22, 2015, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: Brezel on December 22, 2015, 11:41:04 AM
I don't understand the Star Wars hype. The last ones were shit, why should the new one get the benefit of doubt? Because Disney made it?
You don't have to take it on faith. The movie is out, there are plenty of reviews.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens has a 95% rating on Rottentomatoes.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens/
Of course, simply "not having Jar Jar in it" guarantees an automatic 80% ;)
Meh - Jar Jar had no lines in Episode 3, and only appeared in a couple of brief scenes. That wasn't enough to save that movie.
Quote from: Barrister on December 22, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
Meh - Jar Jar had no lines in Episode 3, and only appeared in a couple of brief scenes. That wasn't enough to save that movie.
On a more serious note - 'just not screwing it up completely with annoying characters, wooden acting and lengthy boring exposition' guarantees a reasonably high rating for the new movie.
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Quote from: Barrister on December 22, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
Meh - Jar Jar had no lines in Episode 3, and only appeared in a couple of brief scenes. That wasn't enough to save that movie.
On a more serious note - 'just not screwing it up completely with annoying characters, wooden acting and lengthy boring exposition' guarantees a reasonably high rating for the new movie.
It's not like it is that hard to make a decent Star Wars movie.
Lucas had to really put a lot of work into making the prequels as bad as they were...
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Quote from: Barrister on December 22, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
Meh - Jar Jar had no lines in Episode 3, and only appeared in a couple of brief scenes. That wasn't enough to save that movie.
On a more serious note - 'just not screwing it up completely with annoying characters, wooden acting and lengthy boring exposition' guarantees a reasonably high rating for the new movie.
It's not like it is that hard to make a decent Star Wars movie.
Lucas had to really put a lot of work into making the prequels as bad as they were...
No, I think it's hard to make a good blockbuster. After all Hollywood has lots of experience in screwing them up.
But what TFA managed to do was get quality writers (Abrams and Lawrence freakin Kasdan), a decent enough director (I'm no huge fan, but Abrams is competent enough), together with some really good actors.
I thought the girl playing Rey is a real find. Driver [spoiler]looks maybe a bit too gangly/geeky, although that's kinda the point of the character[/spoiler]. Boyega was ok, his character isn't the best written but his banter with Rey is great.
Somewhere between a B and a C on the scale listed in the poll. It's probably about as good as "Return of the Jedi". To make a movie as good or better than "Star Wars" or "The Empire Strikes Back" would require making something very different than what we've seen before. That's a huge risk, and one that I don't think Disney is willing to take.
Quote from: Savonarola on December 22, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
Somewhere between a B and a C on the scale listed in the poll. It's probably about as good as "Return of the Jedi". To make a movie as good or better than "Star Wars" or "The Empire Strikes Back" would require making something very different than what we've seen before. That's a huge risk, and one that I don't think Disney is willing to take.
They are gonna have to take some risks with the second movie, though.
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Quote from: Savonarola on December 22, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
Somewhere between a B and a C on the scale listed in the poll. It's probably about as good as "Return of the Jedi". To make a movie as good or better than "Star Wars" or "The Empire Strikes Back" would require making something very different than what we've seen before. That's a huge risk, and one that I don't think Disney is willing to take.
They are gonna have to take some risks with the second movie, though.
"Some risks", probably; "Something very different than we've seen before", probably not. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Very bi-modal distribution of reviews.
Just watched it. I'll simmer on it and probably give it a second viewing at some point in the next few days, but at the moment I'm leaning towards B/B- territory. Good, entertaining, but too reliant on nostalgia and winks to the original movies. I certainly hope that they'll be more original in the coming films.
Quote from: Malthus on December 22, 2015, 10:28:19 AM
Yes, I was pretty shocked when they revealed Jar Jar had gone over to the Dark Side and was the new dark lord.
It could happen.
Gone over???
Quote from: Brezel on December 22, 2015, 11:41:04 AM
I don't understand the Star Wars hype. The last ones were shit, why should the new one get the benefit of doubt? Because Disney made it?
Well I did not decide to see it until it was vetted. I only wish I had done that with episode 1 :P
Quote from: The Larch on December 22, 2015, 06:48:20 PM
I certainly hope that they'll be more original in the coming films.
I wouldn't bet on it.
Quote from: Malthus on December 22, 2015, 04:46:10 PM
They are gonna have to take some risks with the second movie, though.
You mean like they did with the Star Trek Reboot sequel :lol:
'The Bad guys from Episode VII Strike Back'
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Quote from: Malthus on December 22, 2015, 04:46:10 PM
They are gonna have to take some risks with the second movie, though.
You mean like they did with the Star Trek Reboot sequel :lol:
'The Bad guys from Episode VII Strike Back'
I don't love the idea of a "reboot", but I cautiously embraced the 2009 Star Trek film.
But Star Trek Into Darkness shat on my embrace. There's very little chance I go to see Star Trek Beyond now. I don't think I'm the only one.
So Episode 8 doesn't need to be "risky" but surely to God they need a slightly more original screenplay than Episode 7 had.
As far as i know it , Rian Johnson is writer for VIII? :unsure:
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As far as i know it , Rian Johnson is writer for VIII? :unsure:
Yeah. What I don't know is whether Kasdan or Abrams developed the trilogy arc.
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2015, 01:02:11 AM
I don't love the idea of a "reboot", but I cautiously embraced the 2009 Star Trek film.
But Star Trek Into Darkness shat on my embrace. There's very little chance I go to see Star Trek Beyond now. I don't think I'm the only one.
I thought
Into Darkness was awesome... :unsure:
Saw it last night with the boys. We all loved it. Best one yet.
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Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2015, 01:02:11 AM
I don't love the idea of a "reboot", but I cautiously embraced the 2009 Star Trek film.
But Star Trek Into Darkness shat on my embrace. There's very little chance I go to see Star Trek Beyond now. I don't think I'm the only one.
I thought Into Darkness was awesome... :unsure:
+1
Into Darkness was roughly 90% as awesome* as Star Trek, like most sequels.
*Not that I would use that word to describe either movie.
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Quote from: Valmy on December 23, 2015, 12:57:57 AM
Quote from: Malthus on December 22, 2015, 04:46:10 PM
They are gonna have to take some risks with the second movie, though.
You mean like they did with the Star Trek Reboot sequel :lol:
'The Bad guys from Episode VII Strike Back'
I don't love the idea of a "reboot", but I cautiously embraced the 2009 Star Trek film.
But Star Trek Into Darkness shat on my embrace. There's very little chance I go to see Star Trek Beyond now. I don't think I'm the only one.
So Episode 8 doesn't need to be "risky" but surely to God they need a slightly more original screenplay than Episode 7 had.
Into darkness was shirt, but ill see the new one.
Star Trek an Into Darkness were both bad, and of the two Darkness was worse, but both were better than Insurrection and Nemesis.
Star Trek was okay-ish but it didn't feel like Star Trek. Heck I remember coming out of the cinema and telling my friends that Abrams just tried to do a very convoluted Star Wars wannabee instead of a Star Trek film. Lo an behold, a decade later he's done the actual thing.
The least said about Into Darkness the better.
Carrie Fisher, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, and Kylie Minoigue on Graham Norton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVB4ghl0mJo
Norton: "Kylie, did you watch Star Wars?"
Kylie: "I was young; gonna say I was this high, but I'm not much higher now, so ..."
Carrie: "I was high, too, but not that high!"
:XD:
But yeah, Carrie is brilliant in this. She just doesn't give a fuck anymore. :D
:thumbsup:
Also her official advise to Daisy Ridley on set: "Don't go through the crew like wildfire." :blush:
Generally quite an adorable show. Much better than the American talk shows they send here.
Quote from: Syt on December 29, 2015, 06:55:37 AM
Carrie Fisher, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, and Kylie Minoigue on Graham Norton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVB4ghl0mJo
Norton: "Kylie, did you watch Star Wars?"
Kylie: "I was young; gonna say I was this high, but I'm not much higher now, so ..."
Carrie: "I was high, too, but not that high!"
:XD:
But yeah, Carrie is brilliant in this. She just doesn't give a fuck anymore. :D
That was good.
BTW, I should not watch 40 minute YouTube videos on my 15 minute break.
Quote from: Syt on December 29, 2015, 07:12:52 AM
Also her official advise to Daisy Ridley on set: "Don't go through the crew like wildfire." :blush:
Hey now, I am sure katmai would have liked to have been part of that crew. :P
Wasn't he like 5 years old? :lol:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 29, 2015, 03:12:16 PM
Wasn't he like 5 years old? :lol:
Assuming appropriate age/time travel/whatever. :rolleyes:
Hey watch it, that "whatever" category could have forced Carrie Fisher to live out her entire life in France. :P
Really aren't going to yell about it being the best ever but yay. It was good
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QuoteMy mom bought this back in the 80's and forgot about it in the back of a drawer. Today she gave it to me as a Christmas gift! I'm amazed!
Going to be holding on to this forever!
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Good job, mom. Kid could have gotten a free Admiral Akbar.
Ohhh... back from when Ep. VI was still called "Revenge of the Jedi". Bet that's worth a pretty penny for the Comic Book Guys of this world.
Only $2.50, it says it right on the price tag people! :rolleyes:
Could you guys name all 48 of those characters without looking at the print?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 30, 2015, 01:55:04 PM
Could you guys name all 48 of those characters without looking at the print?
I got 30 of them. :blush:
And some I missed because the photo doesn't look sharp enough.
Quote from: celedhring on December 30, 2015, 12:22:35 PM
Ohhh... back from when Ep. VI was still called "Return of the Jedi". Bet that's worth a pretty penny for the Comic Book Guys of this world.
Fixed! :nerd:
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Quote from: celedhring on December 30, 2015, 12:22:35 PM
Ohhh... back from when Ep. VI was still called "Return of the Jedi". Bet that's worth a pretty penny for the Comic Book Guys of this world.
Fixed! :nerd:
:unsure:
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Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 30, 2015, 06:57:16 PM
Quote from: celedhring on December 30, 2015, 12:22:35 PM
Ohhh... back from when Ep. VI was still called "Return of the Jedi". Bet that's worth a pretty penny for the Comic Book Guys of this world.
Fixed! :nerd:
:unsure:
Working title lasted in merchandising, unlike the movie. There is a Revenge of the Sith that appeared later though if you really need it.
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Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 30, 2015, 06:57:16 PM
Quote from: celedhring on December 30, 2015, 12:22:35 PM
Ohhh... back from when Ep. VI was still called "Return of the Jedi". Bet that's worth a pretty penny for the Comic Book Guys of this world.
Fixed! :nerd:
:unsure:
Working title lasted in merchandising, unlike the movie. There is a Revenge of the Sith that appeared later though if you really need it.
Yes, we got that. Cel has the chronology right, so your "fix" doesn't really make sense.
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Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 30, 2015, 07:21:27 PM
Quote from: The Brain on December 30, 2015, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 30, 2015, 06:57:16 PM
Quote from: celedhring on December 30, 2015, 12:22:35 PM
Ohhh... back from when Ep. VI was still called "Return of the Jedi". Bet that's worth a pretty penny for the Comic Book Guys of this world.
Fixed! :nerd:
:unsure:
Working title lasted in merchandising, unlike the movie. There is a Revenge of the Sith that appeared later though if you really need it.
Yes, we got that. Cel has the chronology right, so your "fix" doesn't really make sense.
:secret: I was being facetious with all the byzantine nerd debate going on about the new Star Wars.
Syt--Some trader did an analysis a while back of all the investments of the 2000s to find out which one gave the best percentage yield. S&P 500, bonds, Nasdaq, FTSE, Dax, Nikkei, etc. The best percentage yield came from buying a Lego Millennium Falcon. :lol:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 30, 2015, 09:05:04 PM
Syt--Some trader did an analysis a while back of all the investments of the 2000s to find out which one gave the best percentage yield. S&P 500, bonds, Nasdaq, FTSE, Dax, Nikkei, etc. The best percentage yield came from buying a Lego Millennium Falcon. :lol:
Very nice.
:lol:
Lucas lets loose about the new Star Wars films.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-quips-he-sold-851545
QuoteGeorge Lucas Quips He Sold 'Star Wars' to "White Slavers"
Come on George, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
That said, despite the massive bitterness, he has a bit of a point. Star Wars in 1977 was a revolutionary film. The new one doesn't even try.
Still, rather have something like The Force Awakens than "new planets and spaceships", if those planets have Jar Jar Binks living in them.
There is another thread for discussion about the film itself, although I guess at this point concerns about spoilers should be minimal.
Who hasn't seen it by now?
There's no spoilers in anything I've said or linked.
Put it here since it concerned "impressions" of the film more than anything. The two threads confuse me a bit at this point.
Quote from: Berkut on December 31, 2015, 07:19:37 AM
There is another thread for discussion about the film itself, although I guess at this point concerns about spoilers should be minimal.
Who hasn't seen it by now?
I haven't. My desire to see it is flagging as well.
But we are supposed to give impressions, that strikes me as an impression.
I thought Lucas' assertion he had done something new and daring in any of the films after the first two was rather questionable when I watched that interview. That somehow Star Wars had not sold out until he sold it to Disney. Now granted Disney is among the most soulless sell out corporations that has ever existed but it was just a small shift in degree, not some kind of tragedy.
But Disney is also a corporation that has become very good at entertaining people.
But yeah, there's milestone movies and there's game changers. Star Wars was a game changer (other recent ones I would count would be Jurassic Park for CGI, and Pulp Fiction, possibly the first Matrix), and I don't see how he could have kept the "wow"-factor alive that the first or first two movies achieved with the audience.
I find it funny that he says that Star Wars is primarily a family saga or soap opera. That's a feeling that at least the prequels didn't transport well. Instead we got CSPAN and History Channel. I imagine he had an idea where he wanted the final trilogy to go or how it was supposed to end, and is now (understandably) disappointed that it's going somewhere else. But I found that Ep. VII was less about the space-shooty-bang-bang and more about the characters and their connections, including the changes within the Skywalker family, so I'm not sure where his criticism comes from. I think many fans like the OT for the characters and their stories first, and the spaceships and battles second (because without the former, the latter are just empty spectacle).
Quote from: Syt on December 31, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
But Disney is also a corporation that has become very good at entertaining people.
I didn't say they didn't have their good points.
Quote from: Syt on December 31, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
I find it funny that he says that Star Wars is primarily a family saga or soap opera. That's a feeling that at least the prequels didn't transport well. Instead we got CSPAN and History Channel. I imagine he had an idea where he wanted the final trilogy to go or how it was supposed to end, and is now (understandably) disappointed that it's going somewhere else.
I watched the interview and it was rather weird. He did not address the prequels at all in that respect. I found it interesting that it sure seemed like he was just rehashing old ideas and old characters and introducing items specifically for the purposes of market research and merchandising...then in this interview he sounds like some kind of hippie artist who let the record label buy his soulful peace anthem opus. A little surreal if you ask me.
And the hippie artist got 4 billion dollars out of it, not a shitty 100$ contract for all his works until he died.
Quote from: celedhring on December 31, 2015, 08:53:28 AM
And the hippie artist got 4 billion dollars out of it, not a shitty 100$ contract for all his works until he died.
Didn't he donate the money?
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Quote from: celedhring on December 31, 2015, 08:53:28 AM
And the hippie artist got 4 billion dollars out of it, not a shitty 100$ contract for all his works until he died.
Didn't he donate the money?
He did, but what I mean is that he can't say he didn't get a great deal. The way he talks it's like Disney somehow swindled him. He chose to cash in. If he was so protective he could have easily worked some creative veto into that contract, and take less money.
Poor bitter old man can't admit that someone can make a better movie with his material than himself.
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 31, 2015, 09:48:58 AM
Poor bitter old man can't admit that someone can make a better movie with his material than himself.
He's made at the very least two Star Wars movies that are comfortably better than TFA, and I would say even three. :P
His best Star Wars movie was the first one. The best Star wars movie did not have his dialog (Empire Strikes Back).
This is The Truth because I say so. :contract:
Edit: And my original comment stands anyway, he is a bitter old man.
Quote from: celedhring on December 31, 2015, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 31, 2015, 09:48:58 AM
Poor bitter old man can't admit that someone can make a better movie with his material than himself.
He's made at the very least two Star Wars movies that are comfortably better than TFA, and I would say even three. :P
Empire is better, and Star Wars was in fact pretty groundbreaking, but not objectively better, IMO.
The only thing where TFA is better than ANH is in the technical department. And I don't really take that into account when rating movies.
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 31, 2015, 09:59:27 AM
His best Star Wars movie was the first one. The best Star wars movie did not have his dialog (Empire Strikes Back).
This is The Truth because I say so. :contract:
Edit: And my original comment stands anyway, he is a bitter old man.
You, sir...
...are correct. :)
In a development that will restore balance to the Force, this weekend The Force Awakens will shoot past The Phantom Menace in tickets sold in the US (and probably worldwide but that's much harder to track). TPM was the top grosser of the prequels.
Quote from: Berkut on December 31, 2015, 07:19:37 AM
There is another thread for discussion about the film itself, although I guess at this point concerns about spoilers should be minimal.
Who hasn't seen it by now?
I haven't. My mom dropped a pretty big spoiler on me and my brother - only two who hadn't see it yet - last Sunday at dinner. :mad:
As big as the Chewbacca/Ackbar gay marriage? :hmm:
I haven't either. Query: Is it necessary to have seen previous Star Wars films? My gf wants to go but she hasn't seen any of the other six episodes.
Quote from: Iormlund on January 01, 2016, 05:08:37 PM
I haven't either. Query: Is it necessary to have seen previous Star Wars films? My gf wants to go but she hasn't seen any of the other six episodes.
Yeah, but just the original trilogy.
Quote from: Iormlund on January 01, 2016, 05:08:37 PM
I haven't either. Query: Is it necessary to have seen previous Star Wars films? My gf wants to go but she hasn't seen any of the other six episodes.
I have no idea. It's a bit like asking if it's a good idea to go on a date at night because your girlfriend has never seen the moon and might freak out.
OK Marti
Well it is a bit dramatic, but still for a functioning person in the western world - rather odd.
Quote from: Iormlund on January 01, 2016, 05:08:37 PM
I haven't either. Query: Is it necessary to have seen previous Star Wars films? My gf wants to go but she hasn't seen any of the other six episodes.
there are only two short scenes that references the prequels, so you're ok.
Quote from: garbon on January 02, 2016, 09:04:22 AM
Well it is a bit dramatic, but still for a functioning person in the western world - rather odd.
lots of women haven't seen Star Wars.
Quote from: viper37 on January 02, 2016, 10:59:33 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on January 01, 2016, 05:08:37 PM
I haven't either. Query: Is it necessary to have seen previous Star Wars films? My gf wants to go but she hasn't seen any of the other six episodes.
there are only two short scenes that references the prequels, so you're ok.
I think a lot of the power of the movie would be lost on someone who has never seen 4/5/6. This is definitely setup as a follow on to 6, not as a separate story arc (like the way 4/5/6 does not at all depend on 1/2/3).
And if you have NOT seen 4/5/6, that is like 9 hours of movie deliciousness - why not spend some quality time watching those first anyway?
The movie is pretty understandable at a basic level: "these are the bad dudes, these are the good dudes, you want to root for the good dudes". But you're definitely going to miss on a lot if you haven't seen 4/5/6.
Quote from: Berkut on January 02, 2016, 11:22:52 AM
And if you have NOT seen 4/5/6, that is like 9 hours of movie deliciousness - why not spend some quality time watching those first anyway?
That's the plan.
Quote from: viper37 on January 02, 2016, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 02, 2016, 09:04:22 AM
Well it is a bit dramatic, but still for a functioning person in the western world - rather odd.
lots of women haven't seen Star Wars.
Well I can't speak to that...but I am surprised a grown person (say late 20s and up?) would be interested in 7, if they were never interested in watching any of the other 6. But maybe Iorm is rocking that cradle. :perv:
I am indeed. :blush:
I don't remember anything from 6(or do I?, it's really all a blur) & I think the movie was pretty good nonetheless.
I also think that, when you are not caught in nostalgic desillusion, 4 sucks.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 02, 2016, 01:29:08 PM
I also think that, when you are not caught in nostalgic desillusion, 4 sucks.
I am assuming that this is another Captain Wolf brainfart, since "Episode 4" started the whole thing and was the exact opposite of "sucks."
Just went and saw it again with Mrs B tonight.
Contrary to this article (which suggests TFA was weaker on a second viewing), I think I liked the movie even more. This time around I knew the story, so I could sit back and enjoy the spectacle of it even more - and there was quite a lot of spectacle. It probably didn't hurt that I was watching it on a bigger screen and in 3-D as well.
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/12/star-wars-the-force-awakens-nostalgia-and-expectations/422154/
Quote from: garbon on January 02, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
Well I can't speak to that...but I am surprised a grown person (say late 20s and up?) would be interested in 7, if they were never interested in watching any of the other 6.
My friends brought some of his friends, one of which saw the original trilogy only once and his g/f never seen any Star Wars and did not understood english properly. She still had a good time she told us.
Had I tried something like that with my ex, I would have paid dearly. Like watching Bridget Jones 1&2 as a compromise. For 10 minutes of TESB.
Think I might catch a show this evening.
Anyone in Canada aware if we have a Blu Ray 3D version of this movie? Amazon does not seem to carry it.
EDIT: never mind, it's not out yet, no date either.
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Episode 8 has a title... :ph34r:
Sounds good.
We already knew that Luke's role would be more substantial than in The Force Awakens.
Might be referring to Rey, though.
I just hope it's not a complete re-hash of Empire Strikes Back, in the way that TFA just re-mixed ANH.
Luke saying to Rey, "Rey...I am your father....".
Scary part is it actually would kind of make some sense....
The first shot will be a star destroyer launching probes in frantic pursuit of Luke Skywalker's whereabouts.
Quote from: celedhring on January 23, 2017, 12:55:26 PM
The first shot will be a star destroyer launching probes in frantic pursuit of Luke Skywalker's whereabouts.
Let's hope not. I was pretty lenient on the fanboish recreation angle on TFA, but Rogue One clearly showed you can be brave about storylines and get away with it.
Quote from: Berkut on January 23, 2017, 12:52:05 PM
Luke saying to Rey, "Rey...I am your father....".
Scary part is it actually would kind of make some sense....
Mrs B watched TFA with Andrew yesterday. That's her theory.
Quote from: Tamas on January 23, 2017, 01:00:00 PM
Quote from: celedhring on January 23, 2017, 12:55:26 PM
The first shot will be a star destroyer launching probes in frantic pursuit of Luke Skywalker's whereabouts.
Let's hope not. I was pretty lenient on the fanboish recreation angle on TFA, but Rogue One clearly showed you can be brave about storylines and get away with it.
Though not too brave vis-a-vis the braver tale getting replaced/re-shot.
Title telegraphs to me that Rey buys the farm while saving the universe.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 23, 2017, 01:34:12 PM
Title telegraphs to me that Luke buys the farm while saving the universe, leaving Rey to continue to have profitable adventures for Disney for another 20 years.
FYP.
That was my thought at first, but it would really be lame if they killed off a major OT character *again* after Han's death in Ep VII.
If Luke croaks and Rey lives, what would prevent her from finding and training noobs? If Rey dies they go extinct.
Quote from: celedhring on January 23, 2017, 01:51:52 PM
That was my thought at first, but it would really be lame if they killed off a major OT character *again* after Han's death in Ep VII.
Mark Hamill is 65 years old. As they've learned from Carrie Fisher you can't build a multi-billion dollar franchise around actors eligible for Medicare.
Luke Skywalker is a dead man walking.
The plural of Jedi is Jedi.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 23, 2017, 01:56:01 PM
If Luke croaks and Rey lives, what would prevent her from finding and training noobs?
Common sense. Finally realizing that training Jedis only leads to grief, that the whole Jedi project is horribly misguided.
More realistically - nothing. Hence the possibility for more sequels with Jedi in them, prior movie titles be damned.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 23, 2017, 01:56:01 PM
If Luke croaks and Rey lives, what would prevent her from finding and training noobs? If Rey dies they go extinct.
Easy enough to start a new order that isn't Jedi but has the power. If Jed could found the Jedi Rey can found the Reyi.
"The Last Jedi" doesn't mean there won't ever be more, it just means that at the particular point in time, there is only one left. At that time, he is the last Jedi.
If I eat the last cookie, that doesn't mean there will never be another cookie.
Right now, Luke is the last Jedi.
Apparently because he is pretty terrible at training Jedi, and they all die. I am not sure that his bodes well for poor Rey...
I concede the Disney profit argument's logic.
I suppose then that the title means Luke croaks, Rey is THE ONLY ONE LEFT. Until next time.
Jedi is singular and plural.
Quote from: frunk on January 23, 2017, 02:02:06 PM
If Jed could found the Jedi Rey can found the Reyi.
Too hard to pronounce.
Jedii?
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2017, 01:57:07 PM
Quote from: celedhring on January 23, 2017, 01:51:52 PM
That was my thought at first, but it would really be lame if they killed off a major OT character *again* after Han's death in Ep VII.
Mark Hamill is 65 years old. As they've learned from Carrie Fisher you can't build a multi-billion dollar franchise around actors eligible for Medicare.
Luke Skywalker is a dead man walking.
Leia is kinda the next round in the chamber, since Carrie is already dead. Hamill seems healthy and drug free. I bet they are shooting Mark's force ghost sequences just in case though.
Quote from: Berkut on January 23, 2017, 02:03:18 PM
"The Last Jedi" doesn't mean there won't ever be more, it just means that at the particular point in time, there is only one left. At that time, he is the last Jedi.
iirc a number of Jedi managed to evade order 66, maybe some of them are still alive.
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2017, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 23, 2017, 12:52:05 PM
Luke saying to Rey, "Rey...I am your father....".
Scary part is it actually would kind of make some sense....
Mrs B watched TFA with Andrew yesterday. That's her theory.
I think it's been confirmed that is not the case.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 23, 2017, 01:56:01 PM
If Luke croaks and Rey lives, what would prevent her from finding and training noobs? If Rey dies they go extinct.
Nothing, but the title would still be accurate. From a certain point of view. Or considering allternative facts. ;)
At this point in time, she would be, technically, the last jedi.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on January 23, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 23, 2017, 02:03:18 PM
"The Last Jedi" doesn't mean there won't ever be more, it just means that at the particular point in time, there is only one left. At that time, he is the last Jedi.
iirc a number of Jedi managed to evade order 66, maybe some of them are still alive.
Order 66 must be like 50 years in the past in the TFA timeline. Luke and Leia were not born yet. So human Jedi of the time before Order 66 must be extinct. Doesn't Yoda say as much in the original trilogy. Luke is the last of the Jedi.
Quote from: Zanza on January 23, 2017, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on January 23, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 23, 2017, 02:03:18 PM
"The Last Jedi" doesn't mean there won't ever be more, it just means that at the particular point in time, there is only one left. At that time, he is the last Jedi.
iirc a number of Jedi managed to evade order 66, maybe some of them are still alive.
Order 66 must be like 50 years in the past in the TFA timeline. Luke and Leia were not born yet. So human Jedi of the time before Order 66 must be extinct. Doesn't Yoda say as much in the original trilogy. Luke is the last of the Jedi.
Well they've kind of ret-conned that one, since a few Jedi have surfaced in the Star Wars Rebel cartoon (which is considered canon).
Is there defined canon for what happened around Lukes effort to restart the Jedi academy and Kylo Ren's betrayal?
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2017, 04:49:30 PM
Well they've kind of ret-conned that one, since a few Jedi have surfaced in the Star Wars Rebel cartoon (which is considered canon).
The series plays way before Yoda says that Luke is the last of the Jedi in Return of the Jedi, which is surely canon.
Quote from: Zanza on January 23, 2017, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2017, 04:49:30 PM
Well they've kind of ret-conned that one, since a few Jedi have surfaced in the Star Wars Rebel cartoon (which is considered canon).
The series plays way before Yoda says that Luke is the last of the Jedi in Return of the Jedi, which is surely canon.
Not "way before". Googling suggests rebels is set 5 years before A New Hope. And besides Obi Wan and Yoda were always a little flexible with the truth in talking with Luke...
Ezra Bridger, while not a Temple trained Jedi, is still probably out there & younger than Luke.
Quote from: celedhring on January 23, 2017, 12:55:26 PM
The first shot will be a star destroyer launching probes in frantic pursuit of Luke Skywalker's whereabouts.
Doubtful, it's been confirmed that the movie - in a break with tradition - will pick up where VII left off, instead of having a few years pass between movies.
Quote from: Syt on January 24, 2017, 02:18:16 AM
Doubtful, it's been confirmed that the movie - in a break with tradition - will pick up where VII left off, instead of having a few years pass between movies.
Well, they're going to have to open on a spaceship (in space) somehow, right? :hmm:
Quote from: Syt on January 24, 2017, 02:18:16 AM
Quote from: celedhring on January 23, 2017, 12:55:26 PM
The first shot will be a star destroyer launching probes in frantic pursuit of Luke Skywalker's whereabouts.
Doubtful, it's been confirmed that the movie - in a break with tradition - will pick up where VII left off, instead of having a few years pass between movies.
Not a break at all - after all, the first movie picks up moments after the 8th movie left off!
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2017, 07:04:39 PM
Ezra Bridger, while not a Temple trained Jedi, is still probably out there & younger than Luke.
I don't think he survived Rebels. They may not kill him onscreen, they may reserve it for a novel/comic book, but I doubt he's alive. Imho, he turned to the Dark Side, killed his master and was slaughtered by Vader after finding redemption.
Ugh. If Rey turns out to be Luke's daughter, I may just walk out of the theater.
How could she not be? Might as well just not go if it bothers you that much.
Quote from: viper37 on January 24, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2017, 07:04:39 PM
Ezra Bridger, while not a Temple trained Jedi, is still probably out there & younger than Luke.
I don't think he survived Rebels. They may not kill him onscreen, they may reserve it for a novel/comic book, but I doubt he's alive. Imho, he turned to the Dark Side, killed his master and was slaughtered by Vader after finding redemption.
Nobody cares about what happens in a children's cartoon show. :P
Quote from: viper37 on January 24, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2017, 07:04:39 PM
Ezra Bridger, while not a Temple trained Jedi, is still probably out there & younger than Luke.
I don't think he survived Rebels. They may not kill him onscreen, they may reserve it for a novel/comic book, but I doubt he's alive. Imho, he turned to the Dark Side, killed his master and was slaughtered by Vader after finding redemption.
Ahsoka Tano is still out there as well (although she left the Jedi order, she is still a light side force user).
Quote from: Tamas on January 24, 2017, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 24, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2017, 07:04:39 PM
Ezra Bridger, while not a Temple trained Jedi, is still probably out there & younger than Luke.
I don't think he survived Rebels. They may not kill him onscreen, they may reserve it for a novel/comic book, but I doubt he's alive. Imho, he turned to the Dark Side, killed his master and was slaughtered by Vader after finding redemption.
Nobody cares about what happens in a children's cartoon show. :P
Hey bub - these are kids movies we're dissecting. :contract:
Quote from: Tamas on January 24, 2017, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 24, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2017, 07:04:39 PM
Ezra Bridger, while not a Temple trained Jedi, is still probably out there & younger than Luke.
I don't think he survived Rebels. They may not kill him onscreen, they may reserve it for a novel/comic book, but I doubt he's alive. Imho, he turned to the Dark Side, killed his master and was slaughtered by Vader after finding redemption.
Nobody cares about what happens in a children's cartoon show. :P
It's canon! ;)
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 12:13:43 PM
How could she not be? Might as well just not go if it bothers you that much.
K.
Glad I could help.
I thought she was supposed to be obi 's kid, what with them being the only two characters with a British accent.
Quote from: HVC on January 24, 2017, 12:37:29 PM
I thought she was supposed to be obi 's kid, what with them being the only two characters with a British accent.
I know there are certain British accents that sound like that, but they are NOT genetic in origin.
Quote from: HVC on January 24, 2017, 12:37:29 PM
I thought she was supposed to be obi 's kid, what with them being the only two characters with a British accent.
She seems way too young to be Obi's child.
Yeah, she's too young to be Obi's. Maybe grand kid.
Did Padme have any sibblins?
Quote from: Tamas on January 24, 2017, 12:38:28 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 24, 2017, 12:37:29 PM
I thought she was supposed to be obi 's kid, what with them being the only two characters with a British accent.
I know there are certain British accents that sound like that, but they are NOT genetic in origin.
:lol: the theory was since they made black storm trooper use an American accent her accent had special meaning. But maybe she just sucks at accents. Also, she heard obi's voice when she picked up the light saber.
@Habbaku. She does seems young, but that's just the theory I read.
Maybe she was sealed in carbonite for a few decades.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 24, 2017, 12:43:12 PM
Yeah, she's too young to be Obi's. Maybe grand kid.
Did Padme have any sibblins?
You got me curious, so I looked it up.
The only relative of Padme ever shown in the movies is her father (albeit through a deleted scene) - Rusee Naberrie. So it's possibly she could have had siblings.
But for Rey to be Luke's long-lost cousin on his mother's side seems like it would be verging on self-parody.
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2017, 12:48:43 PM
But for Rey to be Luke's long-lost cousin on his mother's side seems like it would be verging on self-parody.
It will be self-parody no matter who's kid she is.
Kenobi direct
Kenobi grand kid
Luke's kid
Altho, if I was a betting person I'd go Skywalker.
They're gonna have to explain it somehow.
When Mark Hamill read the script and saw her doing all that stuff his first reaction was "Hey, she hasn't even been to Dagobah yet!".
Or tge really far out one is she's leia's and Hans other kid.
Quote from: HVC on January 24, 2017, 12:55:44 PM
Or tge really far out one is she's leia's and Hans other kid.
One would think that Leia and Han would recognize her when they meet her though...
I think/hope she was just a very talented jedi-trainee kid who got evacuated to that desert planet by Luke when it all went tits up with his New Jedis Program.
Being abandoned on Planet Salvage Yard does tie in with Luke going full hermit. Though they will definitely need a scene in which he says he's really, really sorry for being such a shitbox.
As celibates go the freakin Jedi seem to have an unusual number of offspring.
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 12:13:43 PM
How could she not be?
Because Luke would not abandon his own kid on a desert planet if he knew about her?
Quote from: Tamas on January 24, 2017, 12:14:23 PM
Nobody cares about what happens in a children's cartoon show. :P
They're more mature than Episode I and most of II. ;)
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2017, 12:48:43 PMBut for Rey to be Luke's long-lost cousin on his mother's side seems like it would be verging on self-parody.
Mel Brooks did it better. :lol:
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I still like the fan theory that Luke fell to the Dark Side in Episode VI. It would be super awesome if they adopt that for the next one (though I'm sure they won't).
Quote from: Caliga on January 24, 2017, 01:25:54 PM
I still like the fan theory that Luke fell to the Dark Side in Episode VI. It would be super awesome if they adopt that for the next one (though I'm sure they won't).
That would be awesome. I'm sure Mark Hamill would be up for it.
I recently watched Jedi again, and that seems very plausible to me. I mean, the dude is dressed in all black like a Sith, he's got a mechanical hand, and he wails on Vader like a motherfucker, all enraged-like.... and it makes Palpatine hard.
Rey could be the daughter of the Emperor. She's like 20ish and it's been roughly that much time between ROTJ and TFA. It would also allow some explanation why she was left on that junkyard planet and explain her force aptitude.
Quote from: Zanza on January 24, 2017, 01:35:37 PM
Rey could be the daughter of the Emperor. She's like 20ish and it's been roughly that much time between ROTJ and TFA. It would also allow some explanation why she was left on that junkyard planet and explain her force aptitude.
Well like I said, it made Palpatine hard. :perv:
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How about Vader's kid?
Could that work somehow?
That would explain the Skywalker relationship at least...
I just don't see a way that
1. Has her being abandoned, and
2. The people who abandon here either don't know or don't care
That works with her being the progeny of any of the main characters.
Quote from: Berkut on January 24, 2017, 01:42:29 PM
How about Vader's kid?
Could that work somehow?
That would explain the Skywalker relationship at least...
I just don't see a way that
1. Has her being abandoned, and
2. The people who abandon here either don't know or don't care
That works with her being the progeny of any of the main characters.
If she's Vader's or the Emperor's daughter somehow, she had her own "Obiwan" who was supposed to keep her safe on the junkyard planet. She even remembers that person in her flashbacks. But eventually that person had to leave for whatever reasons. And was then probably killed with a lightsaber by Luke. :P
Quote from: Zanza on January 24, 2017, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 24, 2017, 01:42:29 PM
How about Vader's kid?
Could that work somehow?
That would explain the Skywalker relationship at least...
I just don't see a way that
1. Has her being abandoned, and
2. The people who abandon here either don't know or don't care
That works with her being the progeny of any of the main characters.
If she's Vader's or the Emperor's daughter somehow, she had her own "Obiwan" who was supposed to keep her safe on the junkyard planet. She even remembers that person in her flashbacks. But eventually that person had to leave for whatever reasons. And was then probably killed with a lightsaber by Luke. :P
That would be one hell of a lot better than her being Luke or Leia's kid.
I like this theory.
But not the child of the Emperor, since that doesn't explain the familial affinity for Luke's lightsaber.
Quote from: Berkut on January 24, 2017, 01:42:29 PM
How about Vader's kid?
Could that work somehow?
That would explain the Skywalker relationship at least...
I just don't see a way that
1. Has her being abandoned, and
2. The people who abandon here either don't know or don't care
That works with her being the progeny of any of the main characters.
It's an open question whether or not Vader would be able to father children after his crippling injuries.
Just to fuck with us they should make Rey Mace Windu's child. :P Hey it's possible - Windu was last seen plummetting out of the Chancellor's office window, but we don't actually see his body on screen.
A little quirk is happening with the title of the movie. Disney usually releases both French & English title at the same time but this time, we got no French title.
Why? Because it would give away if its singular or plural form of Jedi.
Quote from: Berkut on January 24, 2017, 01:49:31 PM
That would be one hell of a lot better than her being Luke or Leia's kid.
I like this theory.
But not the child of the Emperor, since that doesn't explain the familial affinity for Luke's lightsaber.
The lightsaber "calling" to Rey doesn't have to be out of a family connection - it could simply be her affinity with the force.
Guys....guys....Rey is Luke's daughter. If I am wrong I will eat BB's hat.
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
Guys....guys....Rey is Luke's daughter. If I am wrong I will eat BB's hat.
EVERYBODY assumes that, and I think with Star Wars they try to have surprising plot twists ("No, *I* am your father").
Quote from: Caliga on January 24, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
Guys....guys....Rey is Luke's daughter. If I am wrong I will eat BB's hat.
EVERYBODY assumes that, and I think with Star Wars they try to have surprising plot twists ("No, *I* am your father").
but that's exactly why we assume that. Everyone important is a Skywalker.
I forget what lightsaber that is. Is it the one Luke lost together with his hand in the Cloud City? How does it even make sense that it was somehow salvaged from the gravity of a gas giant.
Quote from: Zanza on January 24, 2017, 01:57:52 PM
I forget what lightsaber that is. Is it the one Luke lost together with his hand in the Cloud City? How does it even make sense that it was somehow salvaged from the gravity of a gas giant.
I loved how they lampshaded the fact in the film: "That's an interesting story, for another moment" or somesuch. :lol:
Quote from: Zanza on January 24, 2017, 01:57:52 PM
I forget what lightsaber that is. Is it the one Luke lost together with his hand in the Cloud City?
Yes.
QuoteHow does it even make sense that it was somehow salvaged from the gravity of a gas giant.
A
Wizard Jedi did it.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 24, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
Altho, if I was a betting person I'd go Skywalker.
The trick when you're betting, is calculating the odds. 100:1 is an odd. 100:0 is not, it's a certainty.
Rey's parents are not in Episode VII. It can't be Luke, it can't be Han, it can't be Leia, it can't be Chewbacca.
I doubt it's Obi-Wan, given the age, and also because he was a more obedient Jedi than Skywalker. But maybe he had a relationship with that Mandalarian Queen/Empress whatever and they had a kid before she died and he/she was hidden to protect her status.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 24, 2017, 01:57:08 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 24, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
Guys....guys....Rey is Luke's daughter. If I am wrong I will eat BB's hat.
EVERYBODY assumes that, and I think with Star Wars they try to have surprising plot twists ("No, *I* am your father").
but that's exactly why we assume that. Everyone important is a Skywalker.
And I thought it was understood this was about the 'next generation' and that family would continue to be really important. And I don't think they meant Obi-Wan's family.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 24, 2017, 01:15:26 PM
As celibates go the freakin Jedi seem to have an unusual number of offspring.
You don't need marriage to have kids. Reproduction is not forbidden, only attachment :P
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 24, 2017, 01:15:26 PM
As celibates go the freakin Jedi seem to have an unusual number of offspring.
Since force sensitivity is apparently hereditary it seems a bit self-defeating for them not to be making offspring like crazy. :P
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2017, 01:49:48 PM
It's an open question whether or not Vader would be able to father children after his crippling injuries.
The Midichlorians work in mysterious ways...
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
Guys....guys....Rey is Luke's daughter. If I am wrong I will eat BB's hat.
Then eat it right now :)
QuoteRey's parents are not in Episode 7. So I can't possibly tell you who they are at this moment. But all I will say is that this is something that Rey thinks about, too.
Link (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/J-J-Abrams-Just-Revealed-Detail-About-Rey-Parents-125147.html)
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 24, 2017, 01:57:08 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 24, 2017, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
Guys....guys....Rey is Luke's daughter. If I am wrong I will eat BB's hat.
EVERYBODY assumes that, and I think with Star Wars they try to have surprising plot twists ("No, *I* am your father").
but that's exactly why we assume that. Everyone important is a Skywalker.
And I thought it was understood this was about the 'next generation' and that family would continue to be really important. And I don't think they meant Obi-Wan's family.
We already have a Skywalker/Solo descendant - Kylo Ren. He covers the "family is important" angle. Rey doesn't need to be related, although I'm sure her parents are important somehow.
Quote from: viper37 on January 24, 2017, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
Guys....guys....Rey is Luke's daughter. If I am wrong I will eat BB's hat.
Then eat it right now :)
QuoteRey's parents are not in Episode 7. So I can't possibly tell you who they are at this moment. But all I will say is that this is something that Rey thinks about, too.
Link (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/J-J-Abrams-Just-Revealed-Detail-About-Rey-Parents-125147.html)
Tbh he later clarified that he meant she doesn't find out who they are in Episode VII.
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 24, 2017, 01:15:26 PM
As celibates go the freakin Jedi seem to have an unusual number of offspring.
Since force sensitivity is apparently hereditary it seems a bit self-defeating for them not to be making offspring like crazy. :P
Do we actually know that force sensitivity is hereditary from canon sources? Maybe that's the exceptional thing about the Skywalkers? We don't really see any other parent-child force users, do we?
Quote from: viper37 on January 24, 2017, 02:11:45 PM
Then eat it right now :)
I will hold out for confirmation -_-
But she is baby Skywalker. I have put my stake in the figurative internet ground.
Quote from: viper37 on January 24, 2017, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
Guys....guys....Rey is Luke's daughter. If I am wrong I will eat BB's hat.
Then eat it right now :)
QuoteRey's parents are not in Episode 7. So I can't possibly tell you who they are at this moment. But all I will say is that this is something that Rey thinks about, too.
Link (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/J-J-Abrams-Just-Revealed-Detail-About-Rey-Parents-125147.html)
Not even remotely definitive.
I think he was not making a declarative statement, but an explanatory one.
IE, he is not saying "No character in Ep VII is the parent of Rey" but rather "The parentage of Rey was not defined as being one of our characters as part of Ep7, hence I don't really know/cannot be certain".
In other words, nothing has been fixed in canon as of Ep7, rather than that literally she has a defined parent that is certainly not one of the Ep7 characters.
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 02:22:30 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 24, 2017, 02:11:45 PM
Then eat it right now :)
I will hold out for confirmation -_-
But she is baby Skywalker. I have put my stake in the figurative internet ground.
I wonder if I can legally ship you a can of maple syrup or if I'm facing some border restrictions... hmm.
I'd be tempted to bet a can of maple syrup made by my neighbour, with my dad's maple trees, and send it to you if she's Luke's daughter. If she ain't, then you'll have to send me something good renowned in Texas of equal value (no, motor oil doesn't count :P ).
Quote from: Zanza on January 24, 2017, 02:16:47 PM
Do we actually know that force sensitivity is hereditary from canon sources? Maybe that's the exceptional thing about the Skywalkers? We don't really see any other parent-child force users, do we?
Hell if I know. What exactly is Canon at this point?
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2017, 01:49:48 PM
It's an open question whether or not Vader would be able to father children after his crippling injuries.
The relevant part of his body still seems to be there... ;)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/c6bEs3dxjPg/hqdefault.jpg)
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 02:30:10 PM
Hell if I know. What exactly is Canon at this point?
The Star Wars Holiday Special certainly is.
Quote from: viper37 on January 24, 2017, 02:29:29 PM
I wonder if I can legally ship you a can of maple syrup or if I'm facing some border restrictions... hmm.
I'd be tempted to bet a can of maple syrup made by my neighbour, with my dad's maple trees, and send it to you if she's Luke's daughter. If she ain't, then you'll have to send me something good renowned in Texas of equal value (no, motor oil doesn't count :P ).
I will take this bet. Um...huh...BBQ sauce? Chili?
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 24, 2017, 02:16:47 PM
Do we actually know that force sensitivity is hereditary from canon sources? Maybe that's the exceptional thing about the Skywalkers? We don't really see any other parent-child force users, do we?
Hell if I know. What exactly is Canon at this point?
- All live action movies ever done (I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, Rogue One)
- Clone Wars animated movie
- Clone Wars animated tv series
- Star Wars Rebels
- All books and comics produced after Disney's acquisition of Lucas Arts and not labeled "Legend".
A complete list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon
Quote from: Valmy on January 24, 2017, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 24, 2017, 02:29:29 PM
I wonder if I can legally ship you a can of maple syrup or if I'm facing some border restrictions... hmm.
I'd be tempted to bet a can of maple syrup made by my neighbour, with my dad's maple trees, and send it to you if she's Luke's daughter. If she ain't, then you'll have to send me something good renowned in Texas of equal value (no, motor oil doesn't count :P ).
I will take this bet. Um...huh...BBQ sauce? Chili?
Texas Chili would be good!
Bet taken, assuming none of us ends up in a jail cell for contraband import :P
How is the determination made if something is canon or not? Is there a governing body?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 24, 2017, 03:00:21 PM
How is the determination made if something is canon or not? Is there a governing body?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Canon_policy
Quote from: Zanza on January 24, 2017, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2017, 01:49:48 PM
It's an open question whether or not Vader would be able to father children after his crippling injuries.
The relevant part of his body still seems to be there... ;)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/c6bEs3dxjPg/hqdefault.jpg)
I wonder if he can still get it up.
"Canon" is silly. Life Day is as real as the Death Star.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 24, 2017, 03:00:21 PM
How is the determination made if something is canon or not? Is there a governing body?
Disney
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 24, 2017, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 24, 2017, 03:00:21 PM
How is the determination made if something is canon or not? Is there a governing body?
Disney
Kathleen Kennedy. :contract:
Yeah. There's a committee for that and Kennedy is in charge.
Goddamn Kennedys.
Dunno why Star wars types want to bolt on a continuity to a storyline that doesn't have it and doesn't need it. Peter Jackson made six successful Lord of the Rings movies and didn't worry about continuity.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPrs3UFlHXv/
Josh Gad questions Daisy Ridley about the title. Have you guys already discussed if Jedi in the title is plural?
Quote from: Liep on January 26, 2017, 04:09:38 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPrs3UFlHXv/
Josh Gad questions Daisy Ridley about the title. Have you guys already discussed if Jedi in the title is plural?
Yes. I think it is.
I mentioned it somewhere before but Disney in Canada always releases titles in both French & English at the same time. For Last Jedi, they didn't release a French name.
It would give away whether Jedi is plural or not. Le Dernier Jedi / Les Derniers Jedi.
That gave me an idea, from imdb.com:
Germany Star Wars: Der letzte Jedi
Italy Star Wars: Episodio VIII - L'ultimo Jedi
I don't know Italian but the German at least seems singular.
It's singular in Italian. No official Spanish title yet, but "Return of the Jedi" was singular over here.
Quote from: Liep on January 26, 2017, 08:59:57 AM
That gave me an idea, from imdb.com:
Germany Star Wars: Der letzte Jedi
Italy Star Wars: Episodio VIII - L'ultimo Jedi
I don't know Italian but the German at least seems singular.
In Italian it's singular and masculine, so it'¡s obviously about Luke.
Something to ponder.
Who is actually putting in those IMDB titles though? Not Disney and the German page de.starwars.com only has the English title, no German title.
Return of the Jedi was in plural in German - which makes sense as there are briefly two Jedi Knights at the end when Vader becomes Anakin Skywalker again.
Return of the Jedi doesn't make sense as a singular or plural. Luke didn't return because he never went away. The title only makes sense if Jedi is a mass noun, like water or sleep, not a count noun. The Jedi as a collective disappeared, then as a collective they returned with Luke.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 26, 2017, 01:21:24 PM
Return of the Jedi doesn't make sense as a singular or plural. Luke didn't return because he never went away. The title only makes sense if Jedi is a mass noun, like water or sleep, not a count noun. The Jedi as a collective disappeared, then as a collective they returned with Luke.
Indeed.
I don't know why this seems like such a mystery.
Right now, Luke is the last of the Jedi. Being a Jedi is not just a matter of being able to use the force, there is a code of conduct and formal training around it. Presumably Luke got that via Yoda.
He tried (as I recall) to create a return of the actual Jedi organization and training, and something went badly wrong.
So now he is the last last Jedi. That doesn't mean that there can never be more.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 26, 2017, 01:21:24 PM
Return of the Jedi doesn't make sense as a singular or plural. Luke didn't return because he never went away. The title only makes sense if Jedi is a mass noun, like water or sleep, not a count noun. The Jedi as a collective disappeared, then as a collective they returned with Luke.
Luke returned to face Vader. He fled the fight after his hand was cut and he learnt Vader was daddy. He wasn't a Jedi yet, Yoda told him his training wasn't complete. Once back on Dagobah, on his dying bed, Yoda told him he knew all he needed to know, no more training was necessary from him. There he claims he is a Jedi, and Yoda replies he'll only be a Jedi once he confronts Vader. Which he proceeds to do, so he returns there as a Jedi because he's facing Vader.
If you interpret it as plural, as a mass noun, then it's the Return of the Jedi because Luke's survival insures there can be a continuiing Jedi order while previously there were only scattered Jedi with no organized actions.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
He tried (as I recall) to create a return of the actual Jedi organization and training, and something went badly wrong.
Kylo Ren turned to the Dark Side, presumably with other students that formed the Knights of Ren. They attacked Luke's Jedi academy and betrayed/murdered their former comrades, the way Anakin Skywalker did it as Darth Vader.
Quote from: viper37 on January 26, 2017, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
He tried (as I recall) to create a return of the actual Jedi organization and training, and something went badly wrong.
Kylo Ren turned to the Dark Side, presumably with other students that formed the Knights of Ren. They attacked Luke's Jedi academy and betrayed/murdered their former comrades, the way Anakin Skywalker did it as Darth Vader.
We don't know that the Knights of Ren are force-users. In fact the one brief picture we see of them (in Rey's vision) Kylo Ren is the only one with a lightsabre.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 26, 2017, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
He tried (as I recall) to create a return of the actual Jedi organization and training, and something went badly wrong.
Kylo Ren turned to the Dark Side, presumably with other students that formed the Knights of Ren. They attacked Luke's Jedi academy and betrayed/murdered their former comrades, the way Anakin Skywalker did it as Darth Vader.
We don't know that the Knights of Ren are force-users. In fact the one brief picture we see of them (in Rey's vision) Kylo Ren is the only one with a lightsabre.
reading further on this:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Knights_of_Ren (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Knights_of_Ren)
They were Force users, but they may have existed long before Kylo Ren turned to the Dark Side, so they are likely not ex-Jedi students, or not exclusively. Though I'd imagine, for Luke to be distressed about his teachings, there'd need to be more than just one who turn bad.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 26, 2017, 08:27:30 AM
Yes. I think it is.
I mentioned it somewhere before but Disney in Canada always releases titles in both French & English at the same time. For Last Jedi, they didn't release a French name.
It would give away whether Jedi is plural or not. Le Dernier Jedi / Les Derniers Jedi.
Or, Le Dernier des Jedi.
Quote from: Zanza on January 26, 2017, 01:12:18 PM
Return of the Jedi was in plural in German - which makes sense as there are briefly two Jedi Knights at the end when Vader becomes Anakin Skywalker again.
Heh, it was singular in Spanish and Catalan. I guess they didn't care much back then for uniformity.
Quote from: viper37 on January 26, 2017, 03:22:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 26, 2017, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2017, 01:52:52 PM
He tried (as I recall) to create a return of the actual Jedi organization and training, and something went badly wrong.
Kylo Ren turned to the Dark Side, presumably with other students that formed the Knights of Ren. They attacked Luke's Jedi academy and betrayed/murdered their former comrades, the way Anakin Skywalker did it as Darth Vader.
We don't know that the Knights of Ren are force-users. In fact the one brief picture we see of them (in Rey's vision) Kylo Ren is the only one with a lightsabre.
reading further on this:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Knights_of_Ren (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Knights_of_Ren)
They were Force users, but they may have existed long before Kylo Ren turned to the Dark Side, so they are likely not ex-Jedi students, or not exclusively. Though I'd imagine, for Luke to be distressed about his teachings, there'd need to be more than just one who turn bad.
QuoteHistory
The Knights of Ren operated in the decades following the Galactic Civil War. They were under the command of Supreme Leader Snoke, who used them as a tool of the dark side of the Force alongside the First Order. Rey, a Force-sensitive scavenger who hailed from Jakku, saw the Knights of Ren in a vision.[1]
It says the Knights of Ren were a tool of the dark side of the force (much like the entire First Order is) - it doesn't say they can use the force.
Some use the Force, the rest just say "ni"
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 27, 2017, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 27, 2017, 01:56:53 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 27, 2017, 01:54:05 PM
Some use the Force, the rest just say "ni"
NERD!
Hello - it's a STAR WARS thread.
depending on just HOW long ago "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away' actually is, they could already be saying '"Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing!"
Quote from: celedhring on January 26, 2017, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 26, 2017, 01:12:18 PM
Return of the Jedi was in plural in German - which makes sense as there are briefly two Jedi Knights at the end when Vader becomes Anakin Skywalker again.
Heh, it was singular in Spanish and Catalan. I guess they didn't care much back then for uniformity.
Retour du Jedi in French so singular too but then the original title (Star Wars) was badly translated too: La Guerre des Etoiles. ;) Happened in more, if not most, languages too.
It should have been les
Guerres Stellaires. More than one war. ;)
OTOH, Jedi could be seen as a collective noun in French too.
Krieg der Sterne - War of the Stars ("Sternenkrieg" would have been a better translation of Star Wars)
Das Imperium schlägt zurück - The Empire Strikes Back
Die Rückkehr der Jedi-Ritter - The Return of the Jedi Knights
Die Dunkle Bedrohung - The Dark Menace
Angriff der Klonkrieger - Attack of the Clone Warriors
Die Rache der Sith - The Revenge of the Sith
Das Erwachen der Macht - The Awakening of the Force
Rogue One didn't have a German title...
It must really fuck with little German kids' heads to have their mothers speak that language to them in the crib. :D
La Guerra de las Galaxias - The War of the Galaxies (yeah I know, makes no sense since there's only one galaxy).
El Imperio Contraataca - The Empire Strikes Back
El Retorno del Jedi - The Return of the Jedi (singular)
La Amenaza Fantasma - The Phantom Menace
El Ataque de los Clones - The Attack of the Clones
La Venganza de los Sith - The Revenge of the Sith (plural)
El Despertar de la Fuerza - The Awakening of The Force
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 27, 2017, 05:01:05 PM
It must really fuck with little German kids' heads to have their mothers speak that language to them in the crib. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezrJHau7dzU
Wait. Jedi is only both singular and plural because it's analogous to samurai. How do languages like German and Italian handle ambiguous Japanese terms?
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on January 27, 2017, 05:54:27 PM
Wait. Jedi is only both singular and plural because it's analogous to samurai. How do languages like German and Italian handle ambiguous Japanese terms?
Duh, through articles. El samurai (singular) / Los samurai (plural). Probably the same in German (Der/die).
En samurai / samuraierne
Very simple. But they stopped translating the titles for some reason. :(
Episode IV: Et nyt håb (1977) - A New Hope
Episode V: Imperiet slår igen (1980) - The Empire strikes back
Episode VI: Jediridderen vender tilbage (1983) - The Jedi Knight Returns
Episode I: Den usynlige fjende (1999) - The Invisible Enemy
Episode II: Klonernes angreb (2002) - Attack of the Clones
Episode III: Sith-fyrsternes hævn (2005) - The Sith Lords Revenge
Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015) [Kraften Vækkes - fan translation]
Episode VIII: The Last Jedi (2017)
Episode IX (2019)
Danish...total disaster.
Quote from: Valmy on January 27, 2017, 06:58:31 PM
Danish...total disaster.
They're just throwing a bunch of letters together and waiting to see what happens.
Quote from: Zanza on January 27, 2017, 03:40:50 PM
Die Dunkle Bedrohung
Sounds perverted. Or what you do to a donut.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FMg6Q7Z5r.png&hash=2d37731e5bd749e15b197af78f76134e99babcc0)
:o
Quote from: HVC on January 27, 2017, 07:24:00 PM
They're just throwing a bunch of letters together and waiting to see what happens.
They're stringing together random sounds to fool the tourists.
Quote from: celedhring on January 27, 2017, 05:29:07 PM
La Guerra de las Galaxias - The War of the Galaxies (yeah I know, makes no sense since there's only one galaxy).
El Imperio Contraataca - The Empire Strikes Back
El Retorno del Jedi - The Return of the Jedi (singular)
La Amenaza Fantasma - The Phantom Menace
El Ataque de los Clones - The Attack of the Clones
La Venganza de los Sith - The Revenge of the Sith (plural)
El Despertar de la Fuerza - The Awakening of The Force
what about Rogue One?
Quote from: viper37 on January 28, 2017, 11:02:36 AM
Quote from: celedhring on January 27, 2017, 05:29:07 PM
La Guerra de las Galaxias - The War of the Galaxies (yeah I know, makes no sense since there's only one galaxy).
El Imperio Contraataca - The Empire Strikes Back
El Retorno del Jedi - The Return of the Jedi (singular)
La Amenaza Fantasma - The Phantom Menace
El Ataque de los Clones - The Attack of the Clones
La Venganza de los Sith - The Revenge of the Sith (plural)
El Despertar de la Fuerza - The Awakening of The Force
what about Rogue One?
They didn't translate it. Can't think of any translation that wouldn't sound silly anyway.
The Rogue callsign in ESB was translated as "Renegat" in German, i.e. a Germanified version of Renegade. So Renegat Eins would have been a weirder title than Rogue One.
The Last Jedi is plural.
Les Derniers Jedi
Los Ultimos Jedi
Die Letzten Jedi
Gli Ultimi Jedi
So Luke and ... Rey, Ben Solo, Leia...?
Ashoka
Kanan
Ezra
Maybe Luke will maybe it to episode 9 after all...
Quote from: Zanza on February 17, 2017, 11:55:03 AM
So Luke and ... Rey, Ben Solo, Leia...?
Leia was never a Jedi!
Missed the theater run. Oh well.
Quote from: Kleves on February 17, 2017, 12:09:44 PM
Maybe Luke will maybe it to episode 9 after all...
Maybe maybe will maybe maybe maybe.
Teaser is out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ
Meh.
Can't say I am wowed by it. Still looking forward to the movie, mind.
I get the impression an island will figure in the movie.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 14, 2017, 04:01:14 PM
I get the impression an island will figure in the movie.
Dagobah 2.0.
Quote from: HVC on April 14, 2017, 12:25:40 PM
Meh.
Yup. Didn't wow me at all either. Compared to the 1st teaser for the force awakens, which I must have played dozens of times in the 1st week it came out.
Quote from: Zoupa on April 16, 2017, 10:17:57 PM
Quote from: HVC on April 14, 2017, 12:25:40 PM
Meh.
Yup. Didn't wow me at all either. Compared to the 1st teaser for the force awakens, which I must have played dozens of times in the 1st week it came out.
that's the difference between the first star wars since long and under new ownership and the third star wars in just as many years. But yeah, not much wow in the teaser.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 17, 2017, 02:50:43 AM
that's the difference between the first star wars since long and under new ownership and the third star wars in just as many years. But yeah, not much wow in the teaser.
Gonna have to wait for the long trailers. Didn't help that most of the dialogue is most likely from Rey and Luke's initial conversation.
One thing that bugs me.
Luke, overall, is just a giant pussy. He is such a whiny bitch, the idea that he represents to current pinnacle of the "Jedi", and gets to make decisions about the future of the Jedi, is just kind of lame.
If he says something like "The Jedi are finished", I don't have any kind of thought like "Well, he is wise, and he should know that is best..." it is mostly more like "Who the fuck are you to say, you emo brat?".
For the most part, his entire life has been one disaster after another, and almost everything he has succeeded at has been because of others acting through him. In fact, RotJ was really the first time we ever even saw Luke acting as his own agent. And he did a nice job, mostly, but the story was still really about Vader more than it was about Luke.
So it feels like they are trying to setup Luke as the next version of Yoda when it comes to wisdom around the Force, and I am having some trouble buying it - he mostly doesn't really seem to actually understand it, even if he is proficient at using it.
And from what little we know about what happened after the death of Palpatine, it sounds like he has been pretty much a complete disaster as the "Leader of the new Jedi".
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 09:44:37 AM
Luke, overall, is just a giant pussy. He is such a whiny bitch, the idea that he represents to current pinnacle of the "Jedi", and gets to make decisions about the future of the Jedi, is just kind of lame.
:unsure: Pretty sure Darth Vader is the whiny bitch. His wife had some health issues so he became a mass murderer.
Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2017, 09:54:30 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 09:44:37 AM
Luke, overall, is just a giant pussy. He is such a whiny bitch, the idea that he represents to current pinnacle of the "Jedi", and gets to make decisions about the future of the Jedi, is just kind of lame.
:unsure: Pretty sure Darth Vader is the whiny bitch. His wife had some health issues so he became a mass murderer.
Well, yeah.
But at least Vader/Anakin was (supposedly) just supremely emotionally damage. They did a terrible job telling that story, but the basic idea was that between his childhood basically as a slave, his mother's murder, then falling for Padme, and the belief that she was in danger, he basically decided that he had to have power to save those he loved, and that was the way to get it.
It makes sense, if you just look at the basic story - it is even compelling. They executed it pretty terribly of course. But the basic story of a fundamentally good person falling to evil in an vain effort to save those he loves is pretty understandable and you can get behind that guy, especially once he achieves some level of redemption.
Luke's basic story is that he is a whiny bitch who happens to be incredibly strong in the force, but mostly just fucks it all up over and over and over again.
The first six Star Wars stories are kind of weird, really, if you think about it. The order they were told puts the focus on Luke, but the basic story is not really about Luke at all, it is about Anakin. SW Ep. 1-6 are really the story of Anakin Skywalker, there is a complete arc there. His son's story is tangential in many ways, in that it is only really important in how it drives his fathers story.
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 10:10:37 AM
Luke's basic story is that he is a whiny bitch who happens to be incredibly strong in the force, but mostly just fucks it all up over and over and over again.
If you say so. Maybe you watched a different version of those movies?
I mean sure he is not some kind of invincible badass or anything but whiny bitch seems a bit of ridiculous hyperbole to me.
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 09:44:37 AM
One thing that bugs me.
Luke, overall, is just a giant pussy. He is such a whiny bitch, the idea that he represents to current pinnacle of the "Jedi", and gets to make decisions about the future of the Jedi, is just kind of lame.
If he says something like "The Jedi are finished", I don't have any kind of thought like "Well, he is wise, and he should know that is best..." it is mostly more like "Who the fuck are you to say, you emo brat?".
For the most part, his entire life has been one disaster after another, and almost everything he has succeeded at has been because of others acting through him. In fact, RotJ was really the first time we ever even saw Luke acting as his own agent. And he did a nice job, mostly, but the story was still really about Vader more than it was about Luke.
So it feels like they are trying to setup Luke as the next version of Yoda when it comes to wisdom around the Force, and I am having some trouble buying it - he mostly doesn't really seem to actually understand it, even if he is proficient at using it.
And from what little we know about what happened after the death of Palpatine, it sounds like he has been pretty much a complete disaster as the "Leader of the new Jedi".
Maybe that is the point? The last great force user doesn't know much & isn't really wise at all. A new force order is about the emerge one where their might be no balance but a fusion.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 17, 2017, 11:11:24 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 09:44:37 AM
One thing that bugs me.
Luke, overall, is just a giant pussy. He is such a whiny bitch, the idea that he represents to current pinnacle of the "Jedi", and gets to make decisions about the future of the Jedi, is just kind of lame.
If he says something like "The Jedi are finished", I don't have any kind of thought like "Well, he is wise, and he should know that is best..." it is mostly more like "Who the fuck are you to say, you emo brat?".
For the most part, his entire life has been one disaster after another, and almost everything he has succeeded at has been because of others acting through him. In fact, RotJ was really the first time we ever even saw Luke acting as his own agent. And he did a nice job, mostly, but the story was still really about Vader more than it was about Luke.
So it feels like they are trying to setup Luke as the next version of Yoda when it comes to wisdom around the Force, and I am having some trouble buying it - he mostly doesn't really seem to actually understand it, even if he is proficient at using it.
And from what little we know about what happened after the death of Palpatine, it sounds like he has been pretty much a complete disaster as the "Leader of the new Jedi".
Maybe that is the point? The last great force user doesn't know much & isn't really wise at all. A new force order is about the emerge one where their might be no balance but a fusion.
I hope that is the case - that Lukes incompetence is not an accident of bad writing and amateurish acting, but rather the point.
Luke really showed his incompetence blowing up that Death Star and killing the Emperor. A shame he couldn't be more competent.
More seriously, I thought it was obvious that Luke is meant to be shown as naive, inexperienced, and overly impulsive. His entire arc is finding out more about his past while training under the last Jedi masters.
In doing so, he defies them at multiple points and pays for it. He learns from these mistakes and slowly comes to the realization of what he needs to be...and even then almost falls to the temptations of the Emperor.
It's no surprise, then, to find him so despondent in his old age (assuming that's true--we are engaging in conjecture on a few lines from a brief trailer)--his life's work is a failure and the Dark Side is just as strong as it was before Vader threw the Emperor down that shaft.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 17, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
Luke really showed his incompetence blowing up that Death Star and killing the Emperor. A shame he couldn't be more competent.
Uh, Vader killed the Emperor after he got sick of watching Palpatine wail on Luke. The Death Star got blown up by Lando and Wedge after Han blew up the shield generator on Endor. Luke's contribution literally boiled down to showing Vader that he should be a disgruntled employee after all.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 14, 2017, 04:01:14 PM
I get the impression an island will figure in the movie.
Looks like a mashup up
The Matrix and
Hell in the Pacific
Yes, if only there were some second Death Star that Luke contributed to destroying. :hmm:
And saying that Vader killed the Emperor is missing the point, of course. Or do you really believe Vader was just biding his time until Luke gave him a convenient excuse?
Quote from: Habbaku on April 17, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
Luke really showed his incompetence blowing up that Death Star and killing the Emperor. A shame he couldn't be more competent.
Ben told him what to do with the Death Star I, and Vader killed the Emperor, not Luke.
Even to the extent that Luke deserves credit for destroying the first death star, it is just credit for being a good pilot - that doesn't make him a good leader or particularly wise.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 17, 2017, 02:30:37 PM
Yes, if only there were some second Death Star that Luke contributed to destroying. :hmm:
And saying that Vader killed the Emperor is missing the point, of course. Or do you really believe Vader was just biding his time until Like gave him a convenient excuse?
Luke was critical to Vader killing the Emperor of course, but only as a way of completing Anakin's arc. Something Anakin/Vader valued enough to break the Emperors hold on him - and it was the same thing that drove Vader to the dark side to begin with - his family.
You could argue that Luke showed great wisdom in recognizing that that was in fact the key to destroying the Emperor.... :hmm:
But yeah, I am not going to argue that Luke was NEVER wise, or was ALWAYS a loser...just most of the time. And enough of the time that the idea of him being a 6 foot tall Yoda when it comes to understanding the Force and the Jedi doesn't really sit well with me.
Mostly I am just bored though...
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on April 17, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
Luke really showed his incompetence blowing up that Death Star and killing the Emperor. A shame he couldn't be more competent.
Ben told him what to do with the Death Star I, and Vader killed the Emperor, not Luke.
Even to the extent that Luke deserves credit for destroying the first death star, it is just credit for being a good pilot - that doesn't make him a good leader or particularly wise.
I never made the claim that he was particularly wise or a good leader, nor did anyone here as far as I can tell. We have literally no on screen information about his leadership years after the Emperor's death except the failure of his Jedi order.
I think the failure of Luke's Jedi order and the rise of the Knights of Ren shows that he is definitely not a 6 foot tall Yoda. But to believe he learned nothing in all that off screen time is silly. Obviously, if they portray him as 6 foot Yoda, I will be annoyed as well, but to dismiss Luke as a whiny bitch past the first half of A New Hope is ridiculous.
Of course Luke is naive and inexperienced. He's a teenaged Podunk farmer turned galactic power player overnight - what would one expect? Plus his enigmatic and somewhat dishonest mentor dies almost immediately, leaving thing alone to figure things out. He then receives training from Yoda, whose own massive errors led to the Emperor taking over on his watch, and the liquidation of the entire Jedi Order he led. It's really a miracle Luke succeeds under these circumstances - and IMO its telling that he does ultimately succeed by accessing his own emotions (for his fallen father) and then activating those emotions in Vader. I.e. he succeeds by appealing to that which his training was supposed to suppress.
I've said this before, but the message of the first two trilogies is that the Jedi order was a fatally flawed project doomed to end badly. A closed, secretive order (with evidence of eugenic teachings floating around to boot) that teaches its acolytes denial and suppression of one's basic humanity setting itself up as guardians of the galaxy - what could go wrong? That can't be put on Luke - his teachers and mentors own that failure, and for the most part it seems like they never really learned. I don't know what direction they are taking this new trilology in but if the idea is Luke finally figured out the Jedi project was fubar, and withdrew to "do no harm" that's a logical move that shows better understanding on his part then any other Jedi character in the series.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 17, 2017, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on April 17, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
Luke really showed his incompetence blowing up that Death Star and killing the Emperor. A shame he couldn't be more competent.
Ben told him what to do with the Death Star I, and Vader killed the Emperor, not Luke.
Even to the extent that Luke deserves credit for destroying the first death star, it is just credit for being a good pilot - that doesn't make him a good leader or particularly wise.
I never made the claim that he was particularly wise or a good leader, nor did anyone here as far as I can tell. We have literally no on screen information about his leadership years after the Emperor's death except the failure of his Jedi order.
I made a claim that he was kind of a shitty leader, from what we can tell, and not particularly wise. It seemed like you were arguing against that perspective.
And we certainly do have some onscreen information about his leadership after the Emperoros death.
He was nominally one of the prime leaders in the Rebellion, and since then the Jedi academy he re-started was destroyed, there are Dark force users running amok and blowing up planets, he got outwitted by, apparently, a 14 year old emo goth wanna be named "Matt", and he is hiding away feeling sorry for himself, resulting in the deaths of literally millions of people because he can't be found.
Sounds like a bit of a tool to me.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 17, 2017, 02:43:48 PM
Of course Luke is naive and inexperienced. He's a teenaged Podunk farmer turned galactic power player overnight - what would one expect? Plus his enigmatic and somewhat dishonest mentor dies almost immediately, leaving thing alone to figure things out. He then receives training from Yoda, whose own massive errors led to the Emperor taking over on his watch, and the liquidation of the entire Jedi Order he led. It's really a miracle Luke succeeds under these circumstances - and IMO its telling that he does ultimately succeed by accessing his own emotions (for his fallen father) and then activating those emotions in Vader. I.e. he succeeds by appealing to that which his training was supposed to suppress.
I've said this before, but the message of the first two trilogies is that the Jedi order was a fatally flawed project doomed to end badly. A closed, secretive order (with evidence of eugenic teachings floating around to boot) that teaches its acolytes denial and suppression of one's basic humanity setting itself up as guardians of the galaxy - would could go wrong? That can't be put on Luke - his teachers and mentors own that failure, and for the most part it seems like they never really learned. I don't know what direction they are taking this new trilology in but if the idea is Luke finally figured out the Jedi project was fubar, and withdrew to "do no harm" that's a logical move that shows better understanding on his part then any other Jedi character in the series.
*That* would be awesomely cool if they wrote it just like that, and I would totally agree then that Luke is pretty awesome.
But I am skeptical that the entire arc that was envisioned is that the Jedi are a complete disaster. I agree that that is the rational way to look at the story as a whole, but I suspect that rational people see it like that because the writing overall has been so inconsistent, not because that was ever the intent.
I love the idea though, and think it would make the story a lot more mature and nuanced.
I am just skeptical that they were ever going for any nuance when it came to the Jedi as the Good Guys.
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
But I am skeptical that the entire arc that was envisioned is that the Jedi are a complete disaster.
That's the beauty of new ownership, and new writers. You're right it isn't probably what Lucas was envisioning, but it's what he put on the screen, and if the new writers have the courage of their conviction and the backing of the suits, they can take it in whatever direction they want.
I am really hopeful that the next film will lead things that way--to unlocking the Force in a larger mass instead of having it contained to a very specific group of warrior monks that have failed time and again because of how foolishly rigid their teachings are.
Everyone a Space Wizard! Even Unkarr Plutt. He gets a half portion.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 17, 2017, 02:24:07 PM
Uh, Vader killed the Emperor after he got sick of watching Palpatine wail on Luke. The Death Star got blown up by Lando and Wedge after Han blew up the shield generator on Endor. Luke's contribution literally boiled down to showing Vader that he should be a disgruntled employee after all.
Han blew up the shield generator? He walked right into a trap and got captured. Anyway Luke used his jedi mojo to see that Vader could be turned and he gave himself to the Empire to execute that plan so it was pretty gutsy. But, granted, just like with Han the Ewoks were the real heroes for using their sticks and stones to get the Death Star destroyed. Ah Return of the Jedi.
What would be even better is pushing the message already present in Force Awakens - that the true power in the universe is human agency, not the Force. Rey doesn't save the galaxy. Finn does. It's Finn who rescues Poe, who prompts Rey to take the BB droid offworld, who convinces the Rebellion to send him and Solo to take out the key facility on the Bad Guy base. Without him, the good guys lose. And the Force has nothing to do with it. It's all moral choices by Finn - the choice to reject all his conditioning because of the sense that what he is doing is wrong, and the choice to stop running and risk his own life to save Rey. The Force in this scenario is just distracting razz-ma-tazz: Snoke and Ren and in his own way Luke are playing their inside baseball Jedi game about control over the rogue Force user, but its Finn's action that end up meaning the difference between untold billions dying in planetary holocausts, and not dying.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 17, 2017, 03:11:53 PM
What would be even better is pushing the message already present in Force Awakens - that the true power in the universe is human agency, not the Force. Rey doesn't save the galaxy. Finn does. It's Finn who rescues Poe, who prompts Rey to take the BB droid offworld, who convinces the Rebellion to send him and Solo to take out the key facility on the Bad Guy base. Without him, the good guys lose. And the Force has nothing to do with it. It's all moral choices by Finn - the choice to reject all his conditioning because of the sense that what he is doing is wrong, and the choice to stop running and risk his own life to save Rey. The Force in this scenario is just distracting razz-ma-tazz: Snoke and Ren and in his own way Luke are playing their inside baseball Jedi game about control over the rogue Force user, but its Finn's action that end up meaning the difference between untold billions dying in planetary holocausts, and not dying.
:worthy:
Quote from: Habbaku on April 17, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
I am really hopeful that the next film will lead things that way--to unlocking the Force in a larger mass instead of having it contained to a very specific group of warrior monks that have failed time and again because of how foolishly rigid their teachings are.
Everyone a Space Wizard! Even Unkarr Plutt. He gets a half portion.
Disney trilogy #2 that would be awesome.
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 09:44:37 AM
One thing that bugs me.
I respect your opinion. But isn't a little too early to judge the movie by what we know of it, namely a 30 second sequence of a teaser trailer? :)
Quote from: viper37 on April 17, 2017, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 09:44:37 AM
One thing that bugs me.
I respect your opinion. But isn't a little too early to judge the movie by what we know of it, namely a 30 second sequence of a teaser trailer? :)
Aye, I mentioned just this in my earlier parenthetical.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 17, 2017, 02:24:07 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on April 17, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
Luke really showed his incompetence blowing up that Death Star and killing the Emperor. A shame he couldn't be more competent.
Uh, Vader killed the Emperor after he got sick of watching Palpatine wail on Luke. The Death Star got blown up by Lando and Wedge after Han blew up the shield generator on Endor. Luke's contribution literally boiled down to showing Vader that he should be a disgruntled employee after all.
All of that happened because Luke was there to distract the Emperor. Without it, he would have kept using his battle meditation to thwart the effort of the Rebel Alliance.
Quote from: viper37 on April 17, 2017, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 09:44:37 AM
One thing that bugs me.
I respect your opinion. But isn't a little too early to judge the movie by what we know of it, namely a 30 second sequence of a teaser trailer? :)
Sorry, that wasn't a signal that I was drawing any conclusions or judgements about the movie.
Just musing about my perceived direction the story arc seems to be leading.
Nerds
Quote from: Valmy on April 17, 2017, 03:07:43 PM
Ah Return of the Jedi.
You ever notice how the first Star Wars trilogy and the BSG series both kinda went off the rails at the 2.5 mark?
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2017, 07:36:46 PM
Nerds
I bet you and your mother never even spoke about that time she walked in on you in the tub with your Skeletor action figure and her hair conditioner. Some things just go without words, don't they?
The joints on my C3P0 action figure are all sticky.
:wub:
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She can cure light wounds on me anytime.
Quote from: viper37 on April 17, 2017, 06:01:06 PM
All of that happened because Luke was there to distract the Emperor. Without it, he would have kept using his battle meditation to thwart the effort of the Rebel Alliance.
Battle meditation is no longer canon, as it really only came up in the Thrawn Trilogy and KOTOR. :contract:
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 17, 2017, 09:28:46 PM
Quote from: viper37 on April 17, 2017, 06:01:06 PM
All of that happened because Luke was there to distract the Emperor. Without it, he would have kept using his battle meditation to thwart the effort of the Rebel Alliance.
Battle meditation is no longer canon, as it really only came up in the Thrawn Trilogy and KOTOR. :contract:
You could still infer the Emperor was doing something, while sitting alone in his chair, deeply concentrated, and suddenly, while preoccuppied with Luke, the battle turns to his disadvantage. :)
Also, they brought back Thrawn, so anything is possible now :P
Quote from: Habbaku on April 17, 2017, 02:43:11 PM
I think the failure of Luke's Jedi order and the rise of the Knights of Ren shows that he is definitely not a 6 foot tall Yoda. But to believe he learned nothing in all that off screen time is silly. Obviously, if they portray him as 6 foot Yoda, I will be annoyed as well, but to dismiss Luke as a whiny bitch past the first half of A New Hope is ridiculous.
Well, Yoda presided over the fall of the Jedi order as well. So not really seeing how that disqualifies Luke from being another Yoda.
The relation of people to the Force seems to be a big theme in the new Star Wars. It's kind of mirrored in Rebels, where Kanan (a Jedi with incomplete training) tutors Ezra (force sensitive, but untrained), and trying to find their way. Rebels has a lot more force spiritualism than, say, Clone Wars, despite the latter having an abundance of Jedi.
And to be honest, I find the Rebels Season 4 trailer more intriguing than the Ep. VIII teaser.
The trailer played the same card as the TFA trailers - mystic mumbo jumbo! Spaceships! Old characters coming back! Nothing about the plot! - but without taking into account this is the third Star Wars in a row, and not the first one in 10 years.
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 17, 2017, 02:43:48 PM
Of course Luke is naive and inexperienced. He's a teenaged Podunk farmer turned galactic power player overnight - what would one expect? Plus his enigmatic and somewhat dishonest mentor dies almost immediately, leaving thing alone to figure things out. He then receives training from Yoda, whose own massive errors led to the Emperor taking over on his watch, and the liquidation of the entire Jedi Order he led. It's really a miracle Luke succeeds under these circumstances - and IMO its telling that he does ultimately succeed by accessing his own emotions (for his fallen father) and then activating those emotions in Vader. I.e. he succeeds by appealing to that which his training was supposed to suppress.
I've said this before, but the message of the first two trilogies is that the Jedi order was a fatally flawed project doomed to end badly. A closed, secretive order (with evidence of eugenic teachings floating around to boot) that teaches its acolytes denial and suppression of one's basic humanity setting itself up as guardians of the galaxy - would could go wrong? That can't be put on Luke - his teachers and mentors own that failure, and for the most part it seems like they never really learned. I don't know what direction they are taking this new trilology in but if the idea is Luke finally figured out the Jedi project was fubar, and withdrew to "do no harm" that's a logical move that shows better understanding on his part then any other Jedi character in the series.
*That* would be awesomely cool if they wrote it just like that, and I would totally agree then that Luke is pretty awesome.
But I am skeptical that the entire arc that was envisioned is that the Jedi are a complete disaster. I agree that that is the rational way to look at the story as a whole, but I suspect that rational people see it like that because the writing overall has been so inconsistent, not because that was ever the intent.
I love the idea though, and think it would make the story a lot more mature and nuanced.
I am just skeptical that they were ever going for any nuance when it came to the Jedi as the Good Guys.
For the EU, Karen Traviss gave a much more nuanced take on the Jedi. She didn't portray them as the super heroic, always in the right type of characters that almost all other Star Wars sources did/do. It's a shame her work got ret-conned and no one else took up the idea.
Quote from: Syt on April 18, 2017, 02:00:48 AM
The relation of people to the Force seems to be a big theme in the new Star Wars. It's kind of mirrored in Rebels, where Kanan (a Jedi with incomplete training) tutors Ezra (force sensitive, but untrained), and trying to find their way. Rebels has a lot more force spiritualism than, say, Clone Wars, despite the latter having an abundance of Jedi.
And to be honest, I find the Rebels Season 4 trailer more intriguing than the Ep. VIII teaser.
It is my opinion that you can glimpse the future of Star Wars tone & story by watching Rebel. These peoples are the future writers of Saga #3.