Financial Times: Fogh for NATO
The Financial Times says that Britain, Germany and France are rooting for the Danish prime minister for NATO's top political position.
Britain, Germany and France have privately agreed that Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen should be the next secretary-general of NATO, according to the Financial Times.
"Gordon Brown, UK prime minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, French president, and Angela Merkel, German chancellor, appear to have agreed that the 56-year-old Dane should become Nato's chief diplomat," the report says.
European
The post of secretary-general of NATO has traditionally been reserved for a European, while the top military post of the Alliance has traditionally been from the United States.
The report cited unnamed diplomats as saying that the United States was expected to confirm its backing for Fogh Rasmussen ahead of NATO's 60th anniversary summit next month.
Canada
The report was in some contrast to a Washington Post report at the weekend that suggested that Canada's Defence Minister Peter MacKay was a strong contender for the political NATO post who had the support of Washington.
The Post said that Vice President Joe Biden would be attempting to convince European allies in coming days to support MacKay's candidacy. MacKay himself said: "That's new to me. I have never had any discussions with Vice President Joe Biden about it."
But he added that; "I don't think that traditions, in the sense that geography should be a restriction on any position within NATO, should apply given the fact that Canada ... is a 60-year participant in NATO."
Fogh Rasmussen
MacKay, like Fogh Rasmussen, has denied that he is seeking the NATO job. In Fogh Rasmussen's case, however, there has been widespread conjecture in Denmark that he has been angling for the NATO job for some time and that he enjoys the support of the larger countries in the Alliance.
This notwithstanding, Fogh Rasmussen has repeatedly said that he is not seeking an international posting, and that he will remain Prime Minister of Denmark 'as long as the electorate wants me to'. He has just over two years left of his electoral period.
Other candidates
Other candidates for the political leadership of NATO have also been mooted, including Poland's Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski, the Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre and the former British Defence Secretary Des Browne.
Step down as PM to take the job? That's wacky man.
Maybe he should wait until he's no longer PM.
fogh for NATO?
Continent cut off?
bogh for NATO!
Take Mackay for NATO - please.
Quote from: Barrister on March 10, 2009, 10:43:55 AM
Take Mackay for NATO - please.
Really, you don't like him?
He's done well as foreign minister, don't get me wrong. But yeah, not a huge fan.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 10, 2009, 05:13:59 AM
Step down as PM to take the job? That's wacky man.
It's for the better for the nation. When he's gone we'll get a fat drunk guy. Who doesn't love fat drunk guys?
Quote from: Liep on March 10, 2009, 01:18:34 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 10, 2009, 05:13:59 AM
Step down as PM to take the job? That's wacky man.
It's for the better for the nation. When he's gone we'll get a fat drunk guy. Who doesn't love fat drunk guys?
Sounds great in theory, but in practice you get:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cdn.turner.com%2Fcnn%2F2008%2Fimages%2F05%2F20%2Fgall.ted.kennedy.gi.jpg&hash=0898bbe7801a0fdbad54894e13d1f11c225a0625)
It's for the better for the nation. When he's gone we'll get a fat drunk guy. Who doesn't love fat drunk guys?
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Hey, the fat drunk guy has lost a couple of pound and says he now eats alot of fruit and vegetables, even got a brand new suit...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 10, 2009, 02:25:46 PM
Hey, the fat drunk guy has lost a couple of pound and says he now eats alot of fruit and vegetables, even got a brand new suit...
So he's regaining his figure of the past? :P
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.balder.org%2Fbilleder-blog%2FLars-Loekke-Rasmussen-Kalashnikov-Mujahedeen.jpg&hash=f37f60ed55bfe08c1dc75f7dc3d5bbb02c135a5f)
This was during his reign as Health minister.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmultimedia.ekstrabladet.dk%2Feb%2Farchive%2F00337%2FSundhedsministeren__337542d.jpg&hash=1ba3b64b68fe578ebb0cb5425395c94b6566a854)
Right like you can't find good things on anyone.. like Villys huge gasguzzling rover when he is far left, or Holger's secret support of the tobacco industry because he is an avid pipie smoker
V
Quote from: Valdemar on March 10, 2009, 04:01:39 PM
Right like you can't find good things on anyone.. like Villys huge gasguzzling rover when he is far left, or Holger's secret support of the tobacco industry because he is an avid pipie smoker
V
I'm sure you can, but it doesn't make it less fun.
Perhaps we should make a unified Denmark-thread, many things to discuss: gangwars, saber attacks and politics! At any rate, do we have some Nørrebronxians here?
Quote from: Liep on March 10, 2009, 06:27:48 PM
Perhaps we should make a unified Denmark-thread, many things to discuss: gangwars, saber attacks and politics! At any rate, do we have some Nørrebronxians here?
there is not that many dane here, you aren't that big of a country silly Liep
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2009, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 10, 2009, 06:27:48 PM
Perhaps we should make a unified Denmark-thread, many things to discuss: gangwars, saber attacks and politics! At any rate, do we have some Nørrebronxians here?
there is not that many dane here, you aren't that big of a country silly Liep
Isn't that a reason for it then? Instead of many threads about legos, we can just have one main thread.
Quote from: garbon on March 10, 2009, 06:31:31 PM
Isn't that a reason for it then? Instead of many threads about legos, we can just have one main thread.
Even if that quote is broken it tells the truth. Our threads fall to the bottom too fast due to inexplainable inactivity.
Quote from: garbon on March 10, 2009, 06:31:31 PM
Isn't that a reason for it then? Instead of many threads about legos, we can just have one main thread.
How about none? ;)
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2009, 06:39:42 PM
How about none? ;)
Bully. :ultra:
I guess we'll just have to pull another cartoon crisis to get attention. Maybe have Fogh draw some when he's head of NATO? Or do we need more innovation?
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2009, 06:39:42 PM
How about none? ;)
I was going for a realistic option.
A Danish thread? Sounds great. MB would love it.
I am no longer living in Nørrebronx, but I did most of my adult life. Girlfriend and most of my friends live there, so I still hang out there a lot.
Not really scared, TBH.
In latest news. Denmark is now down to rank 38 on FIFA's list of football nations. Below Japan. :(
>:(
Quote from: Liep on March 11, 2009, 08:48:00 AM
In latest news. Denmark is now down to rank 38 on FIFA's list of football nations. Below Japan. :(
Work really really hard and someday you might be a match for a real football nation like the United States.
Quote from: Liep on March 11, 2009, 08:48:00 AM
In latest news. Denmark is now down to rank 38 on FIFA's list of football nations. Below Japan. :(
That's fair. That little shindig they had in South Korea and Japan a few years back really boosted soccer's standing over there. And let's face it: Japan is a much more civilized country than Denmark.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 10, 2009, 05:13:59 AM
Step down as PM to take the job? That's wacky man.
It's quite common for smaller countries. If you're PM or FM of Denmark or Luxembourg then going to head NATO or the European Commission is a bit of a promotion.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 11, 2009, 01:40:27 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 10, 2009, 05:13:59 AM
Step down as PM to take the job? That's wacky man.
It's quite common for smaller countries. If you're PM or FM of Denmark or Luxembourg then going to head NATO or the European Commission is a bit of a promotion.
Is it really? The Prime Minister of Denmark has some power, and can speak to all the leaders of Europe (except for the PM of the UK, the President of France and the Chancellor of Germany) as equals. The Secretary General of NATO is a peon whose job is to try and get Europe to go along with US foreign policy.
The only reason I could see to make a move like that is if Denmark's about to go tits up, because then you don't need to deal with the problem.
Quote from: Liep on March 10, 2009, 06:27:48 PM
Perhaps we should make a unified Denmark-thread, many things to discuss: gangwars, saber attacks and politics! At any rate, do we have some Nørrebronxians here?
Saber attacks?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 11, 2009, 01:52:19 PM
Saber attacks?
A Balkan war veteran who developed mental problems attacked and hit two policemen in the head with a saber.
QuoteIs it really? The Prime Minister of Denmark has some power, and can speak to all the leaders of Europe (except for the PM of the UK, the President of France and the Chancellor of Germany) as equals. The Secretary General of NATO is a peon whose job is to try and get Europe to go along with US foreign policy.
The only reason I could see to make a move like that is if Denmark's about to go tits up, because then you don't need to deal with the problem.
Actually, I think it is very uncommon. Can't really think of an example of the top of my head and it's actually being touted as one the reasons for him being a strong contender for the post (he must really want it).
Fogh is over the hill, looking tired and sliding in the polls. He has had an extremely succesful run as PM and this would allow him to hand it over to his successor before all is lost and retire from Danish politics at his peak. Makes sense IMO.
This just in. The new Equality Jury has deemed it illegal for porno clubs to charge entrance fee for men but allow women and transvestites to enter freely.
We are truly equal in Denmark.
NATO causing cabinet commotion
The media and public tumult and uncertainty surrounding Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's political future has seeped into the cabinet. Frustration over the insecurity surrounding Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen's political future has now reached the inner circle of the cabinet, with several ministers disturbed by the unresolved NATO issue and the Liberal Party's decline in the polls, according to Berlingske Tidende.
Fogh Rasmussen is currently embroiled in a race for the secretary-generalship of NATO. Although he has declined to publicly announce his candidacy, several other major NATO nations have pointed to him as the best candidate for the post.
Berlingske Tidende writes that if the previously so invulnerable Fogh Rasmussen does not get the job, he must prepare himself for a political battle at home. One senior minister says, among other things, that Fogh Rasmussen must get the government going again – with a new platform and a general reshuffle.
"If the prime minister chooses to remain, it will require him to develop a new domestic agenda very quickly. I don't feel that he is absent, but it will require something extraordinary if he is to convince the Danes that he is the prime minister again. This will probably mean a larger cabinet reshuffle and I think it will also require a new platform in order that he can take proper hold again," the unnamed minister is reported as saying.
Cabinet in dark
Another minister says that 'The Liberal Party is bleeding' and a senior Liberal Party source adds that the prime minister's value has dropped so much that the Social Democratic Leader Helle Thorning Schmidt could perhaps beat Fogh Rasmussen at the polls .
"He would not be able to win an election after this," the source says.
None of the cabinet members know of Fogh Rasmussen's plans, and none are prepared to be quoted by name. But the sources that Berlingske Tidende has spoken to are convinced that the Fogh Rasmussen era is drawing to a close. As a result, Liberal Finance Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen is preparing to take over in close partnership with his party colleague Employment Minister Claus Hjort Frederiksen.
Hjort Frederiksen is expected to become finance minister in a minor reshuffle and in all likelihood to be replaced by Jacob Jensen who is popular with Løkke Rasmussen according to several sources Berlingske Tidende has interviewed.
Who the hell is Jacob Jensen? And why would anyone ever give Hjort more TV time? That guy works way better behind the stage... in the shadows.
Quote from: Liep on March 12, 2009, 07:41:37 AM
Who the hell is Jacob Jensen? And why would anyone ever give Hjort more TV time? That guy works way better behind the stage... in the shadows.
http://jacobjensen.venstre.dk/index.php?id=121
He looks like a clone of Christian Jensen - another VU boyscout. ::)
Great. So he's straight out of college to uni, then straight to A.P. Møller and then an MP while still working part time. He's like Fogh-jugend.
"Øgede offentlige udgifter skal finansieres med skattestigninger, ligesom SF ønsker stop for privatisering og udlicitering. SF vil dermed styre udviklingen og kvaliteten i den offentlige service fra 'polit-bureauet' på Christiansborg uden at tjekke, om der lokalt skulle være en smartere måde eventuelt i privat regi, der kunne give borgerne en bedre service. Nej, den mulighed er simpelthen for farlig at overlade til den enkelte dansker, hvis SF skal have held med deres socialistiske omstyrtning af landet. "
Haha, yeah.. he's a keeper.
Fogh seems to love these young one dimensional liberal boyscouts.
Probably because he used to be one himself, before he sold out.
Quote from: Liep on March 10, 2009, 06:27:48 PM
Perhaps we should make a unified Denmark-thread, many things to discuss: gangwars, saber attacks and politics!
Or a denmark subforum :o
Quote from: schaksen on March 12, 2009, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 10, 2009, 06:27:48 PM
Perhaps we should make a unified Denmark-thread, many things to discuss: gangwars, saber attacks and politics!
Or a denmark subforum :o
Or you 3 could just send PM's back n forth :p
Quote from: katmai on March 12, 2009, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: schaksen on March 12, 2009, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 10, 2009, 06:27:48 PM
Perhaps we should make a unified Denmark-thread, many things to discuss: gangwars, saber attacks and politics!
Or a denmark subforum :o
Or you 3 could just send PM's back n forth :p
It would beat an AK forum :-\
Quote from: schaksen on March 12, 2009, 05:03:53 PM
It would beat an AK forum :-\
And tonitrus and i talk about stuff in PM's, just like you silly danes should! ::)
I love the wig schak, any particular occasion? And I count at least 7 Danes kat. :P
Know this, I declare any Denmark thread open season for all hijacks.
Wabbit Season!
Duck season!
Ahem, related news. Apparently the Polish candidate for the NATO post has stepped down from the race.
Yay! Slighty better chance for Fogh to go!
I would have thought that Fogh would be well-liked. After all, he's the first Scandinavian leader to actually be important.
Quote from: Neil on March 12, 2009, 06:40:15 PM
I would have thought that Fogh would be well-liked. After all, he's the first Scandinavian leader to actually be important.
Ah... I see the misunderstanding. Scandinavians haven't liked being important since Sweden played at being a big power.
Dane Season!
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 12, 2009, 07:46:46 PM
Dane Season!
Every season is Dane season, thanks to C4. It was like having Martinus as your ambassador to the world.
Quote from: Neil on March 12, 2009, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 12, 2009, 07:46:46 PM
Dane Season!
Every season is Dane season, thanks to C4. It was like having Martinus as your ambassador to the world.
Excellent. With that out of the way now we can start Dane Cook Season.
This may all be in vain. Fogh is visiting Nørrebro today (the center of the current 'gang war') and judging from the sensational newspapers he can do nothing but be shot.
Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 12, 2009, 05:45:23 PM
Know this, I declare any Denmark thread open season for all hijacks.
Wabbit Season!
What set Denmark threads apart from the wast majority of Languish threads? Isn't it just stating the obvious as almost all threads will eventually be hijacked or degenarete into rehashes of old arguments :-\
Quote from: Liep on March 13, 2009, 08:28:27 AM
This may all be in vain. Fogh is visiting Nørrebro today (the center of the current 'gang war') and judging from the sensational newspapers he can do nothing but be shot.
I hope he brings his wife.
Quote from: bogh on March 13, 2009, 09:05:29 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 13, 2009, 08:28:27 AM
This may all be in vain. Fogh is visiting Nørrebro today (the center of the current 'gang war') and judging from the sensational newspapers he can do nothing but be shot.
I hope he brings his wife.
Why the hate, is it because she is a better dancer than you?
I agree with you on that Bogh. It's actually a quite pleasing thought that we would never have to listen to her "comments" ever again.
Quote from: schaksen on March 13, 2009, 09:08:14 AM
Why the hate, is it because she is a better dancer than you?
Oh, if she only danced. That'd be fine. :P
Speaking of newspapers, what do you think of EB's new web layout? It hurts my eyes.
Quote from: Liep on March 13, 2009, 09:33:09 AM
Speaking of newspapers, what do you think of EB's new web layout? It hurts my eyes.
Agreed it sucks!
In completely unrelated news, the Danish telecoms industry is in an uproar as TDC buys Fullrate. Consolidation ftw.
Should this thread be renamed the dane thread?
Quote from: bogh on March 13, 2009, 03:51:18 PM
In completely unrelated news, the Danish telecoms industry is in an uproar as TDC buys Fullrate. Consolidation ftw.
It's kinda an in-your-face-purchase just days after you lost the monopoly on cable broadband. :P
And that : p smiley looks not as intended.
Quote from: Liep on March 13, 2009, 06:18:55 PM
And that : p smiley looks not as intended.
It is disturbingly sexual.
Quote from: Octavian on March 13, 2009, 09:51:15 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 13, 2009, 09:33:09 AM
Speaking of newspapers, what do you think of EB's new web layout? It hurts my eyes.
Agreed it sucks!
Who the hell visits http://ekstrabladet.dk/ (http://ekstrabladet.dk/) for any kind of news anyway, I can understand reading the newspaper it self, but their web page has never been anything but a gossib magasine...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 14, 2009, 01:35:08 AM
Who the hell visits http://ekstrabladet.dk/ (http://ekstrabladet.dk/) for any kind of news anyway, I can understand reading the newspaper it self, but their web page has never been anything but a gossib magasine...
I usually check up on pol.dk and dr.dk, but i use eb.dk for sports and x-factor related news (yes, it is my embarrasing weakness :().. that and to get myself angry reading their comments section.
Quote from: Liep on March 14, 2009, 05:59:57 AM
I usually check up on pol.dk and dr.dk, but i use eb.dk for sports and x-factor related news (yes, it is my embarrasing weakness :().. that and to get myself angry reading their comments section.
You shall no longer be allowed to call yourself a man, you have condemed yourself by your actions... >:(
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 14, 2009, 07:42:52 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 14, 2009, 05:59:57 AM
I usually check up on pol.dk and dr.dk, but i use eb.dk for sports and x-factor related news (yes, it is my embarrasing weakness :().. that and to get myself angry reading their comments section.
You shall no longer be allowed to call yourself a man, you have condemed yourself by your actions... >:(
X-Factor is a cool book, although a recent twist made me somewhat uncomfortable.
Quote from: Neil on March 14, 2009, 08:35:30 AM
X-Factor is a cool book, although a recent twist made me somewhat uncomfortable.
Its a talent show on TV, where girly men try to convince the world they can sing...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 14, 2009, 08:45:24 AM
Quote from: Neil on March 14, 2009, 08:35:30 AM
X-Factor is a cool book, although a recent twist made me somewhat uncomfortable.
Its a talent show on TV, where girly men try to convince the world they can sing...
Well, that's unfortunate.
Quote from: Liep on March 14, 2009, 05:59:57 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 14, 2009, 01:35:08 AM
Who the hell visits http://ekstrabladet.dk/ (http://ekstrabladet.dk/) for any kind of news anyway, I can understand reading the newspaper it self, but their web page has never been anything but a gossib magasine...
I usually check up on pol.dk and dr.dk, but i use eb.dk for sports and x-factor related news (yes, it is my embarrasing weakness :().. that and to get myself angry reading their comments section.
So quick question: Would you do Sidsel?
I noticed she had a fine moustache yesterday.
Quote from: Octavian on March 14, 2009, 07:01:24 PM
So quick question: Would you do Sidsel?
I noticed she had a fine moustache yesterday.
I'd do Pia Kjærsgaard.
That's just nasty.
Bendt Bendtsen admits breaking the law. Crooks. The lot of them. :P
Quote from: Liep on March 24, 2009, 08:34:35 AM
Bendt Bendtsen admits breaking the law. Crooks. The lot of them. :P
There is a strong rumour in the civil service that he, Søren Gade, Christian Kjær and Prince Henrik hunted a homeless man in Latvia in 2007. One of the civil servants who were there has apparently said that Bent Bendtsen (who prefers the crossbow) learnt to be tough as a child when his dad forced him to fight his own dog (a pitbull) barehanded.
Don't know if it's true. :P
Bendtsen tough? Your story needs plausibility!
But seriously, this is so out of proportions. Why is BT running this smear campaign against the guy?
Quote from: Liep on March 24, 2009, 09:51:05 AM
Bendtsen tough? Your story needs plausibility!
But seriously, this is so out of proportions. Why is BT running this smear campaign against the guy?
Because they are BT?
Point taken.
Another fine topic to debate is the upcoming elections! Who will be mayor after Ritt? I hope they can convince Frank Jensen to run.
Turkey seems to oppose Fogh for NATO.
The reason?
Mohammed Cartoons.
Fucking muslim savages.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 25, 2009, 10:43:05 AM
Turkey seems to oppose Fogh for NATO.
The reason?
Mohammed Cartoons.
Fucking muslim savages.
Yeah, and the fact that Fogh didn't want to ban a Kurdish journalist from a joint press conference between Fogh and the turkish PM. I don't particularly care much for Turkey, but I'd loath them if they block this opportunity to get rid of him. :bash: :P
But he's going to have a really, really tough time at home if he does not get the position. 95% of the articles about Fogh, or containing his name, in the last couple of days is about NATO or scandals his ministers participate in. :yeah:
Quote from: Liep on March 24, 2009, 03:22:21 PM
Another fine topic to debate is the upcoming elections! Who will be mayor after Ritt? I hope they can convince Frank Jensen to run.
I hope Jeppe Kofoed runs.
15 year old girls for everyone!
Quote from: bogh on March 25, 2009, 11:35:53 AM
I hope Jeppe Kofoed runs.
15 year old girls for everyone!
Think of all those wonderful experience for the public school pupils that get to experience all those mayor visits. :P
Quote from: Liep on March 24, 2009, 03:22:21 PM
Another fine topic to debate is the upcoming elections! Who will be mayor after Ritt? I hope they can convince Frank Jensen to run.
They have succeeded. Awesome.
If that fascist prick becomes the political head of NATO, I am going on a suicide mission. :mad:
Not that Gahr Støre is a great choice.
Turkey seems to accept Fogh as their candidate. Quite randomly the same day as an investigation of the ROJ network starts. This is more bollocks than what I can write while intoxicated.
Quote from: Liep on March 27, 2009, 10:42:33 PM
Turkey seems to accept Fogh as their candidate. Quite randomly the same day as an investigation of the ROJ network starts. This is more bollocks than what I can write while intoxicated.
IT'S ALL A COINCIDENCE!!!!
:P
Seriously though that's just the way the game is played. I don't have a problem with that since I, as a civil serpent have done it myself from time to time - that is playing the political game. It's what makes my my job fun.
Quote from: Octavian on March 29, 2009, 03:00:45 AM
IT'S ALL A COINCIDENCE!!!!
:P
Seriously though that's just the way the game is played. I don't have a problem with that since I, as a civil serpent have done it myself from time to time - that is playing the political game. It's what makes my my job fun.
Yes "funny" how critical or potential damaging files always get lost in fires, flooding or just plain lost doing relocation, when someone is trying to scrutinize potential illigal goverment dealings. Also funny how the same metod is used to scew over ordinary citizens has a complaint against the goverment...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 29, 2009, 07:51:16 AM
Quote from: Octavian on March 29, 2009, 03:00:45 AM
IT'S ALL A COINCIDENCE!!!!
:P
Seriously though that's just the way the game is played. I don't have a problem with that since I, as a civil serpent have done it myself from time to time - that is playing the political game. It's what makes my my job fun.
Yes "funny" how critical or potential damaging files always get lost in fires, flooding or just plain lost doing relocation, when someone is trying to scrutinize potential illigal goverment dealings. Also funny how the same metod is used to scew over ordinary citizens has a complaint against the goverment...
I never said anything about doing something illegal nor that I would find that "funny" :huh:
Quote from: Octavian on March 29, 2009, 08:56:48 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 29, 2009, 07:51:16 AM
Quote from: Octavian on March 29, 2009, 03:00:45 AM
IT'S ALL A COINCIDENCE!!!!
:P
Seriously though that's just the way the game is played. I don't have a problem with that since I, as a civil serpent have done it myself from time to time - that is playing the political game. It's what makes my my job fun.
Yes "funny" how critical or potential damaging files always get lost in fires, flooding or just plain lost doing relocation, when someone is trying to scrutinize potential illigal goverment dealings. Also funny how the same metod is used to scew over ordinary citizens has a complaint against the goverment...
I never said anything about doing something illegal nor that I would find that "funny" :huh:
No no, nothing illigal, just coincidence after coincidence, all part of the "game"...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 29, 2009, 07:51:16 AM
Yes "funny" how critical or potential damaging files always get lost in fires, flooding or just plain lost doing relocation, when someone is trying to scrutinize potential illigal goverment dealings. Also funny how the same metod is used to scew over ordinary citizens has a complaint against the goverment...
:tinfoil:
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2009, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 29, 2009, 07:51:16 AM
Yes "funny" how critical or potential damaging files always get lost in fires, flooding or just plain lost doing relocation, when someone is trying to scrutinize potential illigal goverment dealings. Also funny how the same metod is used to scew over ordinary citizens has a complaint against the goverment...
:tinfoil:
Hey, he said he was serpent, he can only be an evildoer then... :contract:
To get away from all the paranoia and back on topic. Poland is voting for Fogh, because he helped them get into the EU. It's nice to make friends.
So it really looks as if he'll get the job. Well, at anyrate we'll know within a few days, so here's hoping! The replacement PM is somewhat disliked and not trusted in the public because of shady handling of various receipts. Also, he has no charisma.
Sorry for the off topic, I just though of flat boopies and it made me mad... :Embarrass:
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 30, 2009, 01:00:35 PM
Sorry for the off topic, I just though of flat boopies and it made me mad... :Embarrass:
According to Neil you never have to apologize for highjacking a Dane-related thread.
Quote from: Liep on March 30, 2009, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 30, 2009, 01:00:35 PM
Sorry for the off topic, I just though of flat boopies and it made me mad... :Embarrass:
According to Neil you never have to apologize for highjacking a Dane-related thread.
Are you hijacking the apology hijack?
Nelson burned your fleet. Skane is Swedish. Hitler pwned your country in 24 hours.
There.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 30, 2009, 01:11:28 PM
Nelson burned your fleet. Skane is Swedish. Hitler pwned your country in 24 hours.
There.
And all that is part of what makes us so great today.
Turkey is back on the "oh no our fundamentalistic population will be angry at us so we won't vote for Fogh"-track. So it seems he won't be appointed this week, which is a pity because he already gathered the coucil of state.
Not that it means anything, but rumours and speculations are good.
Quote from: Liep on March 31, 2009, 08:48:44 AM
Turkey is back on the "oh no our fundamentalistic population will be angry at us so we won't vote for Fogh"-track.
They are still mad at him for not executing the cartoonists eh? Fundies are so petty.
Well.. there's apparently regional elections in Turkey these days, so gotta step carefully. Democracy is a bitch that way, you know?
GOD DAMN DENMARK
Quote from: Liep on March 30, 2009, 01:17:09 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 30, 2009, 01:11:28 PM
Nelson burned your fleet. Skane is Swedish. Hitler pwned your country in 24 hours.
There.
And all that is part of what makes us so great today.
You're Italians of the north. :)
"I don't believe anything you tell me," Nately replied... "The only thing I do believe is that America is going to win the war."
"You put so much stock in winning wars. The real trick lies in losing wars, in knowing which wars can be lost. Italy has been losing wars for centuries, and just see how spendidly we've done nonetheless. France wins wars and is in a continual state of crisis. Germany loses and prospers. Look at our own recent history. Italy won a war in Ethiopia and promptly stumbled into serious trouble. Victory gave us such insane delusions of grandeur that we helped start a world war we hadn't a chance of winning. But now that we're losing again, everything has taken a turn for the better, and we will certainly come out on top again if we succeed in being defeated."
Joseph Heller, Catch-22
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 30, 2009, 01:11:28 PM
Hitler pwned your country in 24 hours.
There.
When do you ever learn, it took only four hours for the Germans to gain control over Denmark, havnt you heard of German efficienty...
Quote from: Savonarola on March 31, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
"You put so much stock in winning wars. The real trick lies in losing wars, in knowing which wars can be lost. Italy has been losing wars for centuries, and just see how spendidly we've done nonetheless. France wins wars and is in a continual state of crisis. Germany loses and prospers. Look at our own recent history. Italy won a war in Ethiopia and promptly stumbled into serious trouble. Victory gave us such insane delusions of grandeur that we helped start a world war we hadn't a chance of winning. But now that we're losing again, everything has taken a turn for the better, and we will certainly come out on top again if we succeed in being defeated."
Joseph Heller, Catch-22
That is the greatest quote ever.
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on March 31, 2009, 01:00:53 PM
When do you ever learn, it took only four hours for the Germans to gain control over Denmark, havnt you heard of German efficienty...
Pity I loved the Danish tactic of mounting 20 mm AT cannons on motorcycles.
Quote from: Valmy on March 31, 2009, 01:13:41 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on March 31, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
"You put so much stock in winning wars. The real trick lies in losing wars, in knowing which wars can be lost. Italy has been losing wars for centuries, and just see how spendidly we've done nonetheless. France wins wars and is in a continual state of crisis. Germany loses and prospers. Look at our own recent history. Italy won a war in Ethiopia and promptly stumbled into serious trouble. Victory gave us such insane delusions of grandeur that we helped start a world war we hadn't a chance of winning. But now that we're losing again, everything has taken a turn for the better, and we will certainly come out on top again if we succeed in being defeated."
Joseph Heller, Catch-22
That is the greatest quote ever.
Except that it didn't hold up. Italy has been terrible for centuries.
Fogh has officially announced his candidacy... sources say.
Sources also says that Turkey is the only hold up as all others seems to support him
So it's nice to see the entire political scene take the candidacy rumour as a fact. Venstre is slowly committing suicide here.. don't they have any politically competent people left?
Mrs. Lene Kavalergang has confirmed the story. Goodbye Fogh! :yeah:
reuters: Turkey maintains opposition to Dane for NATO chief (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5330XA20090404)
Quote[...]Turkey says Rasmussen cannot manage NATO's sensitive missions in the Muslim world, where it is waging a war against Islamist militants in Afghanistan, because of the way he handled a 2006 crisis over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a Danish newspaper, which caused riots in several countries.[...]
LOL Turkey.
Fuck Turkey. Fogh's in.
I just hope he hasn't given to much to the Turks in order to win them over. At any rate I'm happy to get rid of him and thrilled about the fact that this will piss off Neil.
Quote from: The Brain on April 04, 2009, 06:39:36 AM
LOL Turkey.
Delicious on a sandwich with Miracle Whip.
Quote from: Liep on April 04, 2009, 08:30:05 AM
Fuck Turkey. Fogh's in.
I just hope he hasn't given to much to the Turks in order to win them over. At any rate I'm happy to get rid of him and thrilled about the fact that this will piss off Neil.
Why would it piss me off? Secretary General of NATO is a position of significantly less importance being the town dogcatcher in Bumfuck, Illinois. The only countries that seem to be getting excited are ones that aren't important.
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL4594859
QuoteTurkey agreed to NATO chief after Obama pledges
Sat Apr 4, 2009 11:50am EDT
* PM says guarantees include Turkish deputy
* Turkish commanders to be present at NATO command
(Recasts with quotes, details)
ANKARA, April 4 (Reuters) - Turkey said on Saturday it had dropped its objections to Dane Anders Fogh Rasmussen becoming the next head of NATO after U.S. President Barack Obama offered promises that one of Rasmussen's deputies would be a Turk.
Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, whose country had threatened to veto Rasmussen because of his handling of a 2006 crisis over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a Danish newspaper, said Obama had also given Turkey guarantees that Turkish commanders would be present at the alliance's command.
"We explained our reservations on Rasmussen to Obama and he gave us guarantees on our reservations. Then our president accepted Rasmussen's candidacy," Erdogan told Turkish television.
"One of the issues is to have a Turk as one of his (Rasmussen) deputies and to have our commanders in NATO command," Erdogan told reporters in Ankara.
Turkey's objections to Rasmussen had threatened the image of unity NATO had sought to present at the military alliance's 60th anniversary summit.
It had also put the European Union-candidate at odds with France and Germany, which had strongly backed Rasmussen.
NATO is engaged in the biggest military operation in its history in Afghanistan, and Turkey, the only mainly Muslim member of the alliance, had said Rasmussen's appointment would exacerbate hostility towards the West in Muslim countries.
Rasmussen had defended the publication of the cartoons, which caused protests in the Muslim world, on the grounds of free speech and refused to apologise to Muslim countries.
But Turkey dropped its opposition at the last minute after Turkish President Abdullah Gul held private talks with Obama and Rasmussen, a Turkish official said.
"I acted responsibly as the prime minister of Turkey," Erdogan told Turkish television.
"One of the issues we put forward was how to improve relations by being more sensitive over the cartoon issue," Erdogan added. Rasmussen is scheduled to attend an international event on civilisations in Istanbul April 6-7.
Erdogan, who will host Obama on the same dates, said Turkey had brought up the issue with Obama of Kurdish ROJ TV, which has close links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), a separatist guerrilla group, but is allowed to broadcast from Denmark.
Erdogan has said he has asked Rasmussen to shut down the station many times, but that the Dane had ignored his pleas.
The PKK, which has fought for an ethnic Kurish homeland in Turkey since 1984, is listed as a terrorist group in the United States and in the European Union. (Writing by Ibon Villelabeitia; Editing by Noah Barkin)
News for Turkey: most Western countries don't shut down inconvenient media unless they break the law.
No Turkey in the EU!
Thank you!
QuoteErdogan, who will host Obama on the same dates, said Turkey had brought up the issue with Obama of Kurdish ROJ TV, which has close links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), a separatist guerrilla group, but is allowed to broadcast from Denmark.
Erdogan has said he has asked Rasmussen to shut down the station many times, but that the Dane had ignored his pleas.
The PKK, which has fought for an ethnic Kurish homeland in Turkey since 1984, is listed as a terrorist group in the United States and in the European Union.
How should Fogh Rasmussen be able to shot down ROJ TV when he is going to resign as primeminster tomorrow, besides its the courts who desides weather or not a TV station is allowed the send or not...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on April 04, 2009, 03:22:46 PM
QuoteErdogan, who will host Obama on the same dates, said Turkey had brought up the issue with Obama of Kurdish ROJ TV, which has close links to the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), a separatist guerrilla group, but is allowed to broadcast from Denmark.
Erdogan has said he has asked Rasmussen to shut down the station many times, but that the Dane had ignored his pleas.
The PKK, which has fought for an ethnic Kurish homeland in Turkey since 1984, is listed as a terrorist group in the United States and in the European Union.
How should Fogh Rasmussen be able to shot down ROJ TV when he is going to resign as primeminster tomorrow, besides its the courts who desides weather or not a TV station is allowed the send or not...
non-democratic states think that other states work the same as they do. In other words, they believe that we have the same kind of deep, or not so deep, state as they do
FOGH near death.
Fogh fell down stairs in his Turkey hotel and dislocated his shoulder. If he for once in his live has gotten drunk celebrating his recent job change I applaud him, but knowing him I think it's more likely he did it on purpose to get sympathy from the angry Turks as he tells them to fuck off once again.
I'm shocked, shocked to find horse-trading and bargaining chips being played in international institutions. :o
Our new PM is on Twitter. Latest entry: "just packing my stuff from the financial ministry". I am intrigued!
Quote from: Liep on April 06, 2009, 10:01:52 AMOur new PM is on Twitter.
Nice. Most heads of government only manage to be a twit.
Also, why do people suddenly feel compelled to record every bit of their lives and share with the world? (Often liberal lefty types who are against surveillance.)
Just this morning I heard an office chick on the subway talk on the phone to a friend about her salary, bonus arrangements and her cost of living.
Quote from: Liep on April 04, 2009, 08:30:05 AM
Fuck Turkey. Fogh's in.
I think that would be a mistake. And I think Turkey's raising pretty valid points.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 06, 2009, 10:43:32 AM
Quote from: Liep on April 04, 2009, 08:30:05 AM
Fuck Turkey. Fogh's in.
I think that would be a mistake. And I think Turkey's raising pretty valid points.
they may be valid points, but the way in which turkey raises them shows that at some level they don't get the concept of freedom (of speech / of press).
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 06, 2009, 11:02:56 AMthey may be valid points, but the way in which turkey raises them shows that at some level they don't get the concept of freedom (of speech / of press).
Actually I think the Turkish constitution which causes historians to be arrested over lese-majeste when they mention that Ataturk once dressed as a woman to escape house arrest indicates that. Or that the general suppression of the Kurdish language until the last 5 years would suggest it. Or of course the nonsense of not being able to read certain Islamic poems or anything that 'insults the Republic'. I mean I'm not sure where anyone got the idea that Turkey was a committed absolute fan of freedom of speech to begin with, in a way that most states aren't.
I'm not sure about this TV station but I'm not willing to discount the possibility that it is actually something that an ally shouldn't allow to be broadcasting into an allies territory. Though I think that depends how close its links are with what is an armed paramilitary group on lists of terrorist groups the world over. Britain may offer assylum to some unpleasant Chechens but we don't let them have a radio station, similarly any TV station associated with Islamist, as opposed to Marxist, militants would, I imagine, be shut down in most NATO countries. But, as I say, that depends on how close the links are and what sort of things the TV station is broadcasting. I'm not, however, convinced that we're talking Radio Free Kurdistan here.
Also I can't understand the reasoning for appointing someone who numerous allies consider aloof and arrogant into what is, fundamentally, a managerial and collegiate position. Or, for that matter, given the nature of NATO's biggest mission someone from a country with a very poor (undeservedly so) reputation in Pakistan, especially. That may be cowardice but I just don't see what the upside is if there are other, equally competent candidates in the running. Which I believe there are.
Apparently before it was ROJ TV it was banned from operating in the UK, France and Germany for a combination of links to a terrorist organisation and incitement to violence. Though it was a controversial decision in the UK it apparently broadcast inflammatory statements designed to incite violence in Turkey and elsewhere so it was deemed to be breaking its license, and the law.
Europeans have no right to get snitty about other people not respecting freedom of speech or the press.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 06, 2009, 11:24:32 AM
Apparently before it was ROJ TV it was banned from operating in the UK, France and Germany for a combination of links to a terrorist organisation and incitement to violence. Though it was a controversial decision in the UK it apparently broadcast inflammatory statements designed to incite violence in Turkey and elsewhere so it was deemed to be breaking its license, and the law.
so what about Al-Jazeera broadcasting Al-Qaeda statements?
Quote from: Syt on April 06, 2009, 11:30:49 AM
so what about Al-Jazeera broadcasting Al-Qaeda statements?
They operate from Qatar, not a NATO country. I believe the US, the Saudis and just about everyone else has put pressure on the Qataris to more strictly control Al-Jazeera in Arabic (its English language broadcasts are of a different tone entirely) and I believe there's been some success there. Also this station is alleged to have very close links to a terrorist group, they've been called that groups mouthpiece before. I don't think even in their worst moments Al-Jazeera could be accuse of that.
I take your point, though. There is a thin line between broadcasting news - name a single news broadcaster in the world that doesn't show Al-Qaeda statements - and inciting violence. I suppose context is everything and this Kurdish station has been found to be on the inciting side in four countries. That doesn't mean it is but it does make me a bit more suspicious that this is just some nefarious Turkish plot to muzzle peace-loving Kurds.
Quote from: Syt on April 06, 2009, 11:30:49 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 06, 2009, 11:24:32 AM
Apparently before it was ROJ TV it was banned from operating in the UK, France and Germany for a combination of links to a terrorist organisation and incitement to violence. Though it was a controversial decision in the UK it apparently broadcast inflammatory statements designed to incite violence in Turkey and elsewhere so it was deemed to be breaking its license, and the law.
so what about Al-Jazeera broadcasting Al-Qaeda statements?
a better example is probably a number of arab-language newspapers working from London.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 06, 2009, 12:59:39 PM
They operate from Qatar, not a NATO country. I believe the US, the Saudis and just about everyone else has put pressure on the Qataris to more strictly control Al-Jazeera in Arabic (its English language broadcasts are of a different tone entirely) and I believe there's been some success there. Also this station is alleged to have very close links to a terrorist group, they've been called that groups mouthpiece before. I don't think even in their worst moments Al-Jazeera could be accuse of that.
Point taken for satellite, but I can get it via cable if I sign up for the news package.
QuoteI take your point, though. There is a thin line between broadcasting news - name a single news broadcaster in the world that doesn't show Al-Qaeda statements - and inciting violence. I suppose context is everything and this Kurdish station has been found to be on the inciting side in four countries. That doesn't mean it is but it does make me a bit more suspicious that this is just some nefarious Turkish plot to muzzle peace-loving Kurds.
Well, I think there's a difference between reporting that a new video has been released, then show a few images with a voice over giving the gist of the statement, or showing it full length without commentary.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 06, 2009, 01:29:54 PM
a better example is probably a number of arab-language newspapers working from London.
I think you're right. I think, generally speaking, if they incite violence against the UK or our allies they should be shut down and that is the law in this country.
But, assuming the things French, British, Belgian and German courts believed were true, why should that station be tolerated? Would we allow Turkey much lee-way if they allowed an Islamist TV station that encouraged violence in, say, France or the UK, or Denmark, to be broadcast into those countries from Istanbul?
I mean the only reason I can think is that, perhaps, the Danes have a different opinion on Kurdish paramilitaries?
Quote from: Syt on April 06, 2009, 01:53:28 PMWell, I think there's a difference between reporting that a new video has been released, then show a few images with a voice over giving the gist of the statement, or showing it full length without commentary.
Okay, what about the Guardian that prints Osama Bin Laden's letters in full and without commentary?
I mean I have to say that maybe they have a force in Arabic they lack in English. Reading them they are rambling, barely coherent and vaguely ridiculous sounding. But is that news or potential incitement given that he's calling for the murder of British troops in Iraq and Westerners, apostates, heretics, blasphemers the world over? I think there's a thin line, which it's difficult for courts and press regulators to define, between incitement and reporting.
I think the best example would be an IRA or ETA radio operating out of, say, France.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 06, 2009, 04:13:29 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 06, 2009, 01:29:54 PM
a better example is probably a number of arab-language newspapers working from London.
I think you're right. I think, generally speaking, if they incite violence against the UK or our allies they should be shut down and that is the law in this country.
But, assuming the things French, British, Belgian and German courts believed were true, why should that station be tolerated? Would we allow Turkey much lee-way if they allowed an Islamist TV station that encouraged violence in, say, France or the UK, or Denmark, to be broadcast into those countries from Istanbul?
I mean the only reason I can think is that, perhaps, the Danes have a different opinion on Kurdish paramilitaries?
I'm thinking that the earlier courts made their decision before the capture of Ocalan (sp?) when the PKK and especially Turkey were waging brutal war on each other. After his capture and with a number of reforms violence subsided significantly iirc. Which could be the reason why by the time they arrived in Denmark there wasn't any reason anymore to deny them a broadcasting-permit.
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2009, 04:23:41 PM
ETA radio operating out of, say, France.
:lol:
That'd be like Rote Armee Fraktion having a radio station in Berlin, you dolt!
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 07, 2009, 12:50:37 AM
I'm thinking that the earlier courts made their decision before the capture of Ocalan (sp?) when the PKK and especially Turkey were waging brutal war on each other. After his capture and with a number of reforms violence subsided significantly iirc. Which could be the reason why by the time they arrived in Denmark there wasn't any reason anymore to deny them a broadcasting-permit.
I believe that's the case for the UK but not France, Germany or Belgium.
Why does the relative quiesence of a terrorist organisation change the legitimacy of it having a supportive TV station inciting violence on its behalf?
Reading about it by the way I think the violence in other countries bit the British court mentioned is an inter-Kurdish think. The PKK (or whosever) had ROJ TV and the DPK (or PKK) had a TV station based in a bit of Iraq they controlled. It looks like they were, as often happens, broadcasting and inciting against each other as much as anyone else.
Quote from: Syt on April 07, 2009, 12:53:19 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2009, 04:23:41 PM
ETA radio operating out of, say, France.
:lol:
That'd be like Rote Armee Fraktion having a radio station in Berlin, you dolt!
There's Basques in France?! :o
Fuck Turkey and the horse it rode in on.
Quote from: derspiess on April 07, 2009, 12:08:37 PM
There's Basques in France?! :o
They're used to make pâté :mmm:
Pâté is Basques! :o
After Obama urged EU to accept Turkey's application for membership the head of Austria's right-wing populist party FPÖ, H.-C. Strache, suggested the U.S. should accept Turkey as 51st state instead and also fork over the billions of cash in aid that Turkey would otherwise leech of EU. :lol:
and thus endeth obamania
Quote from: derspiess on April 07, 2009, 12:08:37 PM
Quote from: Syt on April 07, 2009, 12:53:19 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 06, 2009, 04:23:41 PM
ETA radio operating out of, say, France.
:lol:
That'd be like Rote Armee Fraktion having a radio station in Berlin, you dolt!
There's Basques in France?! :o
Of course. Basque Nationalists even have pretty maps printed with a part of France included and their flag has an interesting little sign. Luckily French usually take it as a charming eccentricity...
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ikasi.eu%2Fkaixo%2Fmedia%2FImage%2Feusk.gif&hash=5f5d2582550e84f847ea783d4d22707d4af6e68e)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbasque.unr.edu%2Foralhistory%2Fimages%2FEuskalerria_map_hue_2.GIF&hash=2fd00559c85ca2e5126b4d72f69dd24c8e459348)
"Lapurdi", "Benafarroa" and "Zuberoa" are in France, and "Nafarroa" (better known as Navarre) is not in the Basque Country and the majority of their inhabitants/voters is quite openly against the whole Gross Basqueland idea...
RIP Svend Auken. :weep:
Quote from: Alatriste on April 08, 2009, 07:18:44 AM
Of course. Basque Nationalists even have pretty maps printed with a part of France included and their flag has an interesting little sign. Luckily French usually take it as a charming eccentricity...
I know :P I was just sorta highlighting Syt's response to Marty. My wife is apparently part French Basque, though I file that along with her Irish heritage under "things we won't discuss in front of the kids" :D
Quote from: derspiess on August 04, 2009, 08:29:07 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on April 08, 2009, 07:18:44 AM
Of course. Basque Nationalists even have pretty maps printed with a part of France included and their flag has an interesting little sign. Luckily French usually take it as a charming eccentricity...
I know :P I was just sorta highlighting Syt's response to Marty. My wife is apparently part French Basque, though I file that along with her Irish heritage under "things we won't discuss in front of the kids" :D
Your Irish hatred has been noted.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 04, 2009, 09:01:47 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 04, 2009, 08:29:07 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on April 08, 2009, 07:18:44 AM
Of course. Basque Nationalists even have pretty maps printed with a part of France included and their flag has an interesting little sign. Luckily French usually take it as a charming eccentricity...
I know :P I was just sorta highlighting Syt's response to Marty. My wife is apparently part French Basque, though I file that along with her Irish heritage under "things we won't discuss in front of the kids" :D
Your Irish hatred has been noted.
Everybody hates the Irish. They settled around Boston and form the heart of the New England Sports Idiots.
Quote from: Liep on August 04, 2009, 01:43:05 AM
RIP Svend Auken. :weep:
What has the death of Svend to do with Fogh as NATO head?, the subjects are about as far from each other as you can get in danish politics...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on August 04, 2009, 03:56:49 PM
Quote from: Liep on August 04, 2009, 01:43:05 AM
RIP Svend Auken. :weep:
What has the death of Svend to do with Fogh as NATO head?, the subjects are about as far from each other as you can get in danish politics...
I'm just using this as a general Danish politics thread. :p Speaking of which, I voted!
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 10:08:45 AM
Everybody hates the Irish Catholics.
I think you meant to say...
Yeah, me too.
The man tried to cheat me out of my vote by not sending me a voter card (or maybe I threw it out accidently) - but I managed to exercise my democratic rights anyway.
I watched the TV2 Lorry debate with all the main candidates for Copenhagen last nite. What a useless bunch of morons. :rolleyes:
Also, please note the timing of the TDC take over DONGs fibre-network - any other day, politicians would have been lined up in the news, demanding action be taken against the evil hedge funds buying all of Denmark, but today they are all busy...
Nicely played, I must say.
Quote from: bogh on November 17, 2009, 12:42:37 PM
I watched the TV2 Lorry debate with all the main candidates for Copenhagen last nite. What a useless bunch of morons. :rolleyes:
I could have told you. When the talk among friends moves to local politics is the general consensus: at least we doesnt live with in the Copenhagen municipality and pity those who does...
I too voted today. Even though I usually support the liberals/conservatives I decided to vote social democratic for several reasons.
First of all I voted for Bent Hansen as Regionrådsformand since he's my boss right now and he is known by us in the administration/civil service as a "friend" Besides the other candidates are nobodys and Regionen really need someone as strong as Bent - especially since Århus and several other leading east jutland municipalities are also social democratic.
As for my municipality I voted for one of my neighbors (a former police chief) because:
1: he's my neighbor
2: The current mayor has generated a large deficit which has resulted in the taxes being raised. He really doesn't deserve another term.
The final reason for me voting for the left is the fact that I'm gonna be a father next year :P
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 17, 2009, 03:51:24 PMpity those who does...
Yeah, it's not really the greatest field of candidates this year. I have my hopes for Frank Jensen though, but I'm not expecting much as the last "star" the Social Democrats send here failed miserably.
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 10:08:45 AM
Everybody hates the plastic paddies.
Fixed more accuratly
Quote from: Tyr on November 17, 2009, 05:36:05 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 04, 2009, 10:08:45 AM
Everybody hates the plastic paddies.
Fixed more accuratly
CdM is going to have you savagely beaten.
Quote from: Liep on November 17, 2009, 05:29:24 PM
Yeah, it's not really the greatest field of candidates this year. I have my hopes for Frank Jensen though, but I'm not expecting much as the last "star" the Social Democrats send here failed miserably.
I think Frank may make a decent mayor. I was not a big fan when he announced, but I do think he is way more competent than the rest of the gang. I also think he'll be more quietly effective than Ritt.
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 17, 2009, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: bogh on November 17, 2009, 12:42:37 PM
I watched the TV2 Lorry debate with all the main candidates for Copenhagen last nite. What a useless bunch of morons. :rolleyes:
I could have told you. When the talk among friends moves to local politics is the general consensus: at least we doesnt live with in the Copenhagen municipality and pity those who does...
Did you see the Bondam Stunt? <_<
here in Lyngby we had a similar situation.
SF left the "Vision 2010" group that wanted to break the S K power....
They went back to S and K to get the mayor post, giving S and K all the commitee posts <_<
So they went to election on a promise to get rid of S and K influence, then joined up with them securing S and K another 4 years of mismanagement :(
V
Quote from: Octavian on November 17, 2009, 04:41:51 PM
I too voted today. Even though I usually support the liberals/conservatives I decided to vote social democratic for several reasons.
First of all I voted for Bent Hansen as Regionrådsformand since he's my boss right now and he is known by us in the administration/civil service as a "friend" Besides the other candidates are nobodys and Regionen really need someone as strong as Bent - especially since Århus and several other leading east jutland municipalities are also social democratic.
As for my municipality I voted for one of my neighbors (a former police chief) because:
1: he's my neighbor
2: The current mayor has generated a large deficit which has resulted in the taxes being raised. He really doesn't deserve another term.
The final reason for me voting for the left is the fact that I'm gonna be a father next year :P
Lol apparently my neighbor was elected and the current mayor lost his position. My political boss was also not surprisingly reelected.
My election goals are: Fulfilled!
Edit: Although the rise of SF makes me feel uncomfortable.
Quote from: Valdemar on November 18, 2009, 05:36:06 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 17, 2009, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: bogh on November 17, 2009, 12:42:37 PM
I watched the TV2 Lorry debate with all the main candidates for Copenhagen last nite. What a useless bunch of morons. :rolleyes:
I could have told you. When the talk among friends moves to local politics is the general consensus: at least we doesnt live with in the Copenhagen municipality and pity those who does...
Did you see the Bondam Stunt? <_<
here in Lyngby we had a similar situation.
SF left the "Vision 2010" group that wanted to break the S K power....
They went back to S and K to get the mayor post, giving S and K all the commitee posts <_<
So they went to election on a promise to get rid of S and K influence, then joined up with them securing S and K another 4 years of mismanagement :(
V
I am so looking forward to Bondam trying to explain this one to his voters and his party (social-liberals, pro- immigrants, caffe látte party). Before the election: Dansk folkeparti (evil, rightwing populist, anti- immigrant party) should kept away from power at all costs. Now after the elections: we are willing to help them to power in order to secure our own seat...
edit: now I can only hope that the voters will punish the Social-liberals (R) at the next national elections, so they will lose their already fragile position in the Parlament, it will be a day of joy...
Quote from: Octavian on November 18, 2009, 06:43:49 AM
Edit: Although the rise of SF makes me feel uncomfortable.
:ph34r:
When are the personal votes counted? I'm interested to see if my uncle got more than 1 vote. :P
Quote from: Liep on November 18, 2009, 07:49:45 AM
When are the personal votes counted? I'm interested to see if my uncle got more than 1 vote. :P
Depends on the city. Aarhus is supposedly the last one, coming in around six tonight. Lots of the cities in Judland counted them last night already.
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 18, 2009, 07:04:14 AM
I am so looking forward to Bondam trying to explain this one to his voters and his party (social-liberals, pro- immigrants, caffe látte party). Before the election: Dansk folkeparti (evil, rightwing populist, anti- immigrant party) should kept away from power at all costs. Now after the elections: we are willing to help them to power in order to secure our own seat...
edit: now I can only hope that the voters will punish the Social-liberals (R) at the next national elections, so they will lose their already fragile position in the Parlament, it will be a day of joy...
Yeah, as an R-voter (voted for Manu Sareen, hoping he'd get more personal votes than Bondam, prompting a change in local leadership), I am not amused. There's gonna be mutiny in the Copenhagen party, I think - already Manu has called out Bondam on it.
Damnit, we need better leaders. I don't like the direction, nor the style of Vestagers leadership - and her praising Bondam for his keen tactics isn't helping. I want my pragmatic centrist party back.
Quote from: bogh on November 18, 2009, 09:15:43 AMI want my pragmatic centrist party back.
A certain someone waived that with a call for more power... and a bag.
Quote from: Liep on November 18, 2009, 09:21:34 AM
A certain someone waived that with a call for more power... and a bag.
We moved way to close to the Socialdemocrats and their fail rubbed off on us. Everything went downhill from there.
Quote from: bogh link=topic=9.msg144636#msg144636 date=1258553743 I want my pragmatic centrist party back.
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R as a pragmatic centrist party is long gone, the Conservatives are the closest you will find, if you still wants a responsible economic policy...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 18, 2009, 10:25:27 AM
Quote from: bogh on November 18, 2009, 09:15:43 AMI want my pragmatic centrist party back.
R as a pragmatic centrist party is long gone, the Conservatives are the closest you will find, if you still wants a responsible economic policy...
I don't think you'll find many Rs who'll want to team up with DF's partner in crime... except Bondam, of course. :P
Quote from: Liep on November 18, 2009, 10:39:17 AM
I don't think you'll find many Rs who'll want to team up with DF's partner in crime... except Bondam, of course. :P
I voted Conservative last local elections because I couldn't stomach Bondam. The liberal part of the Conservatives and the right wing Social Liberals have much in common. I wouldn't mind an RVK government, but right wingers in R have purged themselves or have been purged to make that a slim chance.
Quote from: bogh on November 18, 2009, 10:49:48 AM
I voted Conservative last local elections because I couldn't stomach Bondam. The liberal part of the Conservatives and the right wing Social Liberals have much in common. I wouldn't mind an RVK government, but right wingers in R have purged themselves or have been purged to make that a slim chance.
The conservatives have lost just as much trying to work together with DF. Seeberg were the last Conservative I liked and that went horribly wrong for her. :P
Quote from: Valdemar on November 18, 2009, 05:36:06 AM
here in Lyngby we had a similar situation.
SF left the "Vision 2010" group that wanted to break the S K power....
They went back to S and K to get the mayor post, giving S and K all the commitee posts <_<
So they went to election on a promise to get rid of S and K influence, then joined up with them securing S and K another 4 years of mismanagement :(
V
And it all ends with SF out and K still in place. Ahh, local politics. :bleeding:
And my uncle got elected with a staggering 300-something personal votes.
Quote from: Liep on November 18, 2009, 10:55:57 AM
Quote from: bogh on November 18, 2009, 10:49:48 AM
I voted Conservative last local elections because I couldn't stomach Bondam. The liberal part of the Conservatives and the right wing Social Liberals have much in common. I wouldn't mind an RVK government, but right wingers in R have purged themselves or have been purged to make that a slim chance.
The conservatives have lost just as much trying to work together with DF. Seeberg were the last Conservative I liked and that went horribly wrong for her. :P
Trust me we would dump DF in a heart beat, if we could find someone from the political center, the problem is that there is nobody there...
Quote from: Liep on November 18, 2009, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on November 18, 2009, 05:36:06 AM
here in Lyngby we had a similar situation.
SF left the "Vision 2010" group that wanted to break the S K power....
They went back to S and K to get the mayor post, giving S and K all the commitee posts <_<
So they went to election on a promise to get rid of S and K influence, then joined up with them securing S and K another 4 years of mismanagement :(
V
And it all ends with SF out and K still in place. Ahh, local politics. :bleeding:
:nelson
Quote from: bogh on November 18, 2009, 09:15:43 AMYeah, as an R-voter (voted for Manu Sareen, hoping he'd get more personal votes than Bondam, prompting a change in local leadership), I am not amused. There's gonna be mutiny in the Copenhagen party, I think - already Manu has called out Bondam on it.
Politiken reports he got at least thrice the amount of personal votes as Bondam. Not that it changes the fact that we'll be seeing Mr. Buckingham four more years.
Lol, the Social-Liberals (R) in Copenhagen doesnt even have the guts kick out Bondam while they had the chance, cementing their own doom. He even offed to step down if the local group didnt back him...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 19, 2009, 06:04:44 AM
Lol, the Social-Liberals (R) in Copenhagen doesnt even have the guts kick out Bondam while they had the chance, cementing their own doom. He even offed to step down if the local group didnt back him...
While I'm sure that Sareen would be a much better mayor than Bondam, and at that post especially, I don't think he could accept it with the backing of DF.
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:16:21 AM
While I'm sure that Sareen would be a much better mayor than Bondam, and at that post especially, I don't think he could accept it with the backing of DF.
Yes, they doomed if they do and doomed if they dont, nice one Bondam... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 19, 2009, 06:26:42 AM
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:16:21 AM
While I'm sure that Sareen would be a much better mayor than Bondam, and at that post especially, I don't think he could accept it with the backing of DF.
Yes, they doomed if they do and doomed if they dont, nice one Bondam... :thumbsup:
At this point I'm hoping he'll drop his pants and crack a joke about sex tourism in Thailand.
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:29:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 19, 2009, 06:26:42 AM
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:16:21 AM
While I'm sure that Sareen would be a much better mayor than Bondam, and at that post especially, I don't think he could accept it with the backing of DF.
Yes, they doomed if they do and doomed if they dont, nice one Bondam... :thumbsup:
At this point I'm hoping he'll drop his pants and crack a joke about sex tourism in Thailand.
Oh yes, that would be the day... :lol:
Quote from: Liep on November 18, 2009, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on November 18, 2009, 05:36:06 AM
here in Lyngby we had a similar situation.
SF left the "Vision 2010" group that wanted to break the S K power....
They went back to S and K to get the mayor post, giving S and K all the commitee posts <_<
So they went to election on a promise to get rid of S and K influence, then joined up with them securing S and K another 4 years of mismanagement :(
V
And it all ends with SF out and K still in place. Ahh, local politics. :bleeding:
Yes :(
While I like a "borgeligt flertal" and V had by far the most votes to have K still in power with the notoriously incompetent Rolf at the head is inexcusable..
He should at the very least have offered V the seat of Mayor given they are the biggest party
V
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2009, 06:16:21 AM
While I'm sure that Sareen would be a much better mayor than Bondam, and at that post especially, I don't think he could accept it with the backing of DF.
That's what he says.
Another reading could be that the national leadership asked him to put a lid on the whole deal and not rock the boat anymore.
Or maybe he decided that showing internal loyality was a good move with an eye to the future (come next election he'd be a dead certainty for mayor or a seat in parliament) - maybe he thinks the pay off will be better in the long run. I'd guess the splits and fractionalization of the party in recent years has put a premium on calm heads with patience.
I am a little dissappointed myself - I voted for Manu pretty much in the hope of him overtaking Bondam, prompting a change. But at any rate, Bondam is a dead man walking IMO and Manu comes out much strengthened. So at least partial success.
It pretty clear that Manu Sareen has been offed a chance to run for parlament, in the next national elections, in return for not rocking the boat. In fact I believe, that he is just the kind of new young blood, that aging Social-Liberal group in the parlament needs. Ofcourse the chance is that he turns into a new Naser Khader... ;)
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 19, 2009, 10:16:49 AM
It pretty clear that Manu Sareen has been offed a chance to run for parlament, in the next national elections, in return for not rocking the boat. In fact I believe, that he is just the kind of new young blood, that aging Social-Liberal group in the parlament needs. Ofcourse the chance is that he turns into a new Naser Khader... ;)
Unlike Khader, Manu has been doing the grinding legwork in a municipal government for almost ten years and working grass roots before that. Plus Khader would have seized the Mayoral post the moment he had the chance. He may turn out to be a dud (or may become a victim of the terrible electoral result I am sure the Social Liberals will have next time around), but I don't see him becoming a new Khader.
Quote from: bogh on November 19, 2009, 11:02:21 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 19, 2009, 10:16:49 AM
It pretty clear that Manu Sareen has been offed a chance to run for parlament, in the next national elections, in return for not rocking the boat. In fact I believe, that he is just the kind of new young blood, that aging Social-Liberal group in the parlament needs. Ofcourse the chance is that he turns into a new Naser Khader... ;)
Unlike Khader, Manu has been doing the grinding legwork in a municipal government for almost ten years and working grass roots before that. Plus Khader would have seized the Mayoral post the moment he had the chance. He may turn out to be a dud (or may become a victim of the terrible electoral result I am sure the Social Liberals will have next time around), but I don't see him becoming a new Khader.
Lets hope not, we conservatives cant really handle any more single issue ex- Social-Liberals. Please tell me the truth, it was on purpose did you send him over in to our camp, wasnt it?. All part of your cunning master plan to regain power...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 19, 2009, 11:17:12 AM
Lets hope not, we conservatives cant really handle any more single issue ex- Social-Liberals. Please tell me the truth, it was on purpose did you send him over in to our camp, wasnt it?. All part of your cunning master plan to regain power...
He apparently decided to ruin every party I could consider voting for. Bastard.
Quote from: Valdemar on November 19, 2009, 07:10:04 AM
Quote from: Liep on November 18, 2009, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on November 18, 2009, 05:36:06 AM
here in Lyngby we had a similar situation.
SF left the "Vision 2010" group that wanted to break the S K power....
They went back to S and K to get the mayor post, giving S and K all the commitee posts <_<
So they went to election on a promise to get rid of S and K influence, then joined up with them securing S and K another 4 years of mismanagement :(
V
And it all ends with SF out and K still in place. Ahh, local politics. :bleeding:
Yes :(
While I like a "borgeligt flertal" and V had by far the most votes to have K still in power with the notoriously incompetent Rolf at the head is inexcusable..
He should at the very least have offered V the seat of Mayor given they are the biggest party
V
And you got a new mayor yet again. V is up! Who's next I wonder? :P
Quote from: Liep on December 01, 2009, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on November 19, 2009, 07:10:04 AM
Quote from: Liep on November 18, 2009, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on November 18, 2009, 05:36:06 AM
here in Lyngby we had a similar situation.
SF left the "Vision 2010" group that wanted to break the S K power....
They went back to S and K to get the mayor post, giving S and K all the commitee posts <_<
So they went to election on a promise to get rid of S and K influence, then joined up with them securing S and K another 4 years of mismanagement :(
V
And it all ends with SF out and K still in place. Ahh, local politics. :bleeding:
Yes :(
While I like a "borgeligt flertal" and V had by far the most votes to have K still in power with the notoriously incompetent Rolf at the head is inexcusable..
He should at the very least have offered V the seat of Mayor given they are the biggest party
V
And you got a new mayor yet again. V is up! Who's next I wonder? :P
I did? I haven't seen that?
V
Quote from: bogh on November 19, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on November 19, 2009, 11:17:12 AM
Lets hope not, we conservatives cant really handle any more single issue ex- Social-Liberals. Please tell me the truth, it was on purpose did you send him over in to our camp, wasnt it?. All part of your cunning master plan to regain power...
He apparently decided to ruin every party I could consider voting for. Bastard.
I actually voted for him once in the past :blush: I stopped doing that many years ago
Quote from: schaksen on December 01, 2009, 03:34:31 PM
I actually voted for him once in the past :blush: I stopped doing that many years ago
We all get wiser. Well, some do.
Any of the Danes got a comment on Troelsgate? Personally I always expected someone from the beer gang (Traktor Troels, Babyface, Dansemusen, Pind, Løkke) to be involved in illegal activities.
I'm working for a way to work "Night and Fogh" into a joke for this thread, but I'm coming up with nothing. Also I'm watching a movie at the same time so I'm not concentrating. So feel free to laugh as if I told a good joke.
Quote from: Liep on December 04, 2011, 04:43:13 PM
Any of the Danes got a comment on Troelsgate? Personally I always expected someone from the beer gang (Traktor Troels, Babyface, Dansemusen, Cyclops, fadbamsen) to be involved in illegal activities.
Lol beer gang.
Dansemusen and babyface seems to be most likely crown princes now. Perhaps Vestjyden (Støjberg) og Foghs eyes (Nørby) will become contenders when fadbamsen steps down as head of the crew.
One thing for sure. Den sure nisse (Haarder) won't.
Haha, fadbamsen is not ready for this interview. :lol:
Guys, if you don't give some kind of background nobody is going to understand anything at all about this troelsgate thingie.
I think it's to do with Nanna Birk Larsen and the Copenhagen mayoral race. Could be wrong.
Quote from: The Larch on December 05, 2011, 08:10:48 AM
Guys, if you don't give some kind of background nobody is going to understand anything at all about this troelsgate thingie.
Troels Lund (minister of taxation before the election) had his special adviser leek tax information about the opposition leader to a newspaper a few days before the election. Very illegal, and now the leader of his party, Løkke(fadbamsen), is sweating in front of the cameras trying to not answer any questions that could incriminate him and saying that if you break the law it's illegal. All very fun and very sad for our democracy.
Quote from: Liep on December 05, 2011, 08:15:48 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 05, 2011, 08:10:48 AM
Guys, if you don't give some kind of background nobody is going to understand anything at all about this troelsgate thingie.
Troels Lund (minister of taxation before the election) had his special adviser leek tax information about the opposition leader to a newspaper a few days before the election. Very illegal, and now the leader of his party, Løkke(fadbamsen), is sweating in front of the cameras trying to not answer any questions that could incriminate him and saying that if you break the law it's illegal. All very fun and very sad for our democracy.
Ok, I'll keep this in mind next time somebody waxes lyrical about the idylic nature of Scandinavian politics in contrast with the den of corruption that is Spanish politics. :lol:
Quote from: The Larch on December 05, 2011, 08:20:30 AM
Ok, I'll keep this in mind next time somebody waxes lyrical about the idylic nature of Scandinavian politics in contrast with the den of corruption that is Spanish politics. :lol:
:weep:
You can't give the darkies any ammo man.
To make matters worse, or more fun. Troels Lund's advisor is married to Ulla Østergaard who is now a political editor on Denmark's only 24 hour news network, and she has been asked not to work on this story. Again, 3rd time she has had to do that because of her affiliation with the former government (being a former advisor for Løkke).
Our otherwise very docile corps of journalists has smelled blood. They're still incompetent though. :(
I'm just curious why no one caught on to the real story in Helle's tax evasion case.
No matter whether Tax in the end found anything illegal in her husbands set up, she gave wrongful information about his and her whereabouts to the "Indenrigsministerium" 4 times. Giving false information in a possible criminal case is a criminal case in itself, but that drowned in the discussions of tax evasion.
V
Quote from: Liep on December 05, 2011, 08:15:48 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 05, 2011, 08:10:48 AM
Guys, if you don't give some kind of background nobody is going to understand anything at all about this troelsgate thingie.
Troels Lund (minister of taxation before the election) had his special adviser leek tax information about the opposition leader to a newspaper a few days before the election. Very illegal, and now the leader of his party, Løkke(fadbamsen), is sweating in front of the cameras trying to not answer any questions that could incriminate him and saying that if you break the law it's illegal. All very fun and very sad for our democracy.
In soviet Norway the government leaks everybody's tax information to the public as well as occupation and address, just in case the burglars didn't know. In soviet Norway rich people live in London or Cyprus or Monaco.
So, is Gucci Helen fully lucred up in some way? What was supposed to be predjudicial in her tax info?
Quote from: Valdemar on December 06, 2011, 04:12:31 AM
I'm just curious why no one caught on to the real story in Helle's tax evasion case.
No matter whether Tax in the end found anything illegal in her husbands set up, she gave wrongful information about his and her whereabouts to the "Indenrigsministerium" 4 times. Giving false information in a possible criminal case is a criminal case in itself, but that drowned in the discussions of tax evasion.
V
She had that down as a mistake I think? Not satisfied with that? :P
Quote from: Viking on December 06, 2011, 04:21:08 AM
So, is Gucci Helen fully lucred up in some way? What was supposed to be predjudicial in her tax info?
Apparently not, she was cleared from having done anything wrong by the tax agency. Another part of the story is that Venstre supposedly wrote their own conclusion to the case (in which she was found guilty) and gave it to the chairman of the agency for him to put in her file.
Yeah, from what little I've read the bad part is that the tax minister tried to instruct the tax agency to find their opponent (the current prime minister) guilty in a tax-case when the conclusion was to clear her of any wrong doing.
Quote from: Liep on December 06, 2011, 06:32:44 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on December 06, 2011, 04:12:31 AM
I'm just curious why no one caught on to the real story in Helle's tax evasion case.
No matter whether Tax in the end found anything illegal in her husbands set up, she gave wrongful information about his and her whereabouts to the "Indenrigsministerium" 4 times. Giving false information in a possible criminal case is a criminal case in itself, but that drowned in the discussions of tax evasion.
V
She had that down as a mistake I think? Not satisfied with that? :P
4 different mistakes you mean? :D
Giving wrongful information to a public authority, in this case the state is a criminla offence, where as her tax evasion is likely only to result in fines.
V
The conlusion isn't that she didn't do anything wrong, but more that Tax didn't think they could prosecute it/minor infringement.
Hence my comment that I was curious why no one pursued the actual wrong she did, namely giving false statements on her and her husbands whereabouts and actual living adress. Giving 4 different statements to the authorities in this case not the tax authorities, but the Home Office regarding her and her husbands adress/working status with regard to her position as member of parliament is far more damning IMHO.
V
Since when have Danish journalists ever cared about facts? Whatever they think the bigger story is what they will write about. We're talking about the same people who spent 6 months writing about a unattended meeting (that still had ample representation) and an even more useless vacation to Mallorca.
Ah, another scandal re-emerges. An advisor to the former minister of defence leaked military secrets to a journalists to make his minister look better. I cannot fathom how Søren Gade remains popular with this and the Arabic translation scandal.. "the buck stops here", yeah right.
Ah, I forgot that Gitte Lillelund Bech accused the then-opposition of the leak. Every day without Venstre in government is making me a little happier.
Quote from: Liep on December 13, 2011, 08:16:15 AM
Ah, I forgot that Gitte Lillelund Bech accused the then-opposition of the leak. Every day without Venstre in government is making me a little happier.
But also poorer :(
How can non entities like the current government even pass their university degrees. they are completely lacking any idea of how things work :D
V
Quote from: Valdemar on December 14, 2011, 05:53:32 AM
Quote from: Liep on December 13, 2011, 08:16:15 AM
Ah, I forgot that Gitte Lillelund Bech accused the then-opposition of the leak. Every day without Venstre in government is making me a little happier.
But also poorer :(
How can non entities like the current government even pass their university degrees. they are completely lacking any idea of how things work :D
V
That may be the problem, they only have their university degrees. Few of them have ever held a real job or been out in the real world...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on December 14, 2011, 06:18:12 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on December 14, 2011, 05:53:32 AM
Quote from: Liep on December 13, 2011, 08:16:15 AM
Ah, I forgot that Gitte Lillelund Bech accused the then-opposition of the leak. Every day without Venstre in government is making me a little happier.
But also poorer :(
How can non entities like the current government even pass their university degrees. they are completely lacking any idea of how things work :D
V
That may be the problem, they only have their university degrees. Few of them have ever held a real job or been out in the real world...
That is indeed the problem, along with the fact that half of them has no real parliamental exp. and most of htem never had a responsibility...
2 out of 24 have held a cabinet post, a few have held municipial posts, but most have not had to answer to anyone at all.
V
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on December 14, 2011, 06:18:12 AM
That may be the problem, they only have their university degrees. Few of them have ever held a real job or been out in the real world...
2 years as head of the youth party, then maybe some work for a municipal post wait for a local nomination, and then get lucky and be in a flavour of the month party come election time. Or just be blond and a member of DF.
Since this is a thread about Fogh it's perhaps noteworthy that he with his Economy degree only worked 6 months in "the real world" as a substitute teacher in folkeskolen before being elected to parliament.
Although i'm not sure why working with politics, being in parliament etc. aren't considered the real world. It's seems real to me.
Anyway we shouldn't really be airing our dirty secrets and failings here on languish in front of the weird foreigners
I call for a great danish consensus to be reached!
Isn't their new useless, but pretty, girl a brunette?
Quote from: Octavian on December 14, 2011, 08:20:31 AM
Anyway we shouldn't really be airing our dirty secrets and failings here on languish in front of the weird foreigners.
Too late. :P
In Spain we have the same arguments about our politicians' lack of work experience in anything but politics.
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Okay. And if you're thinking of Schmidt-Nielsen, then she's really the only reason they got a good election which sort of disqualify her as blond.
Quote from: Octavian on December 14, 2011, 08:20:31 AM
Since this is a thread about Fogh it's perhaps noteworthy that he with his Economy degree only worked 6 months in "the real world" as a substitute teacher in folkeskolen before being elected to parliament.
Although i'm not sure why working with politics, being in parliament etc. aren't considered the real world. It's seems real to me.
Anyway we shouldn't really be airing our dirty secrets and failings here on languish in front of the weird foreigners
I call for a great danish consensus to be reached!
True, but there is a distinct difference btw. having been a jumior member of parliament, then "ordfører" then "minister" then PM.
And, being fresh out of Uni, first election and minister of tax...
A few fresh ones is fine, but the majority have no parliamentary exp at all.
Even old ones on liste A used to have worked in their party orgs or AE before settling on any taburet ;)
V
Quote from: Liep on December 14, 2011, 08:23:58 AM
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Okay. And if you're thinking of Schmidt-Nielsen, then she's really the only reason they got a good election which sort of disqualify her as blond.
Why are you posting pernille skipper?
Yes I was thinking of JSN
V
The only interviews I've seen with Skipper she has failed miserably, which is why I thought you meant her. Usually JSN can handle herself in debates.
Quote from: Liep on December 14, 2011, 08:28:51 AM
The only interviews I've seen with Skipper she has failed miserably, which is why I thought you meant her. Usually JSN can handle herself in debates.
Indeed, I like her alot, but like DF EL has the luxury of being able to be unrealistic when being populisisc in their demands ;)
And like DF they are quite good rhetorically on one liners and single issues. well JSN is, the rest of EL not so much :D
V
I miss Søren Søndergaard. :(
Quote from: Valdemar on December 14, 2011, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: Octavian on December 14, 2011, 08:20:31 AM
Since this is a thread about Fogh it's perhaps noteworthy that he with his Economy degree only worked 6 months in "the real world" as a substitute teacher in folkeskolen before being elected to parliament.
Although i'm not sure why working with politics, being in parliament etc. aren't considered the real world. It's seems real to me.
Anyway we shouldn't really be airing our dirty secrets and failings here on languish in front of the weird foreigners
I call for a great danish consensus to be reached!
True, but there is a distinct difference btw. having been a jumior member of parliament, then "ordfører" then "minister" then PM.
And, being fresh out of Uni, first election and minister of tax...
A few fresh ones is fine, but the majority have no parliamentary exp at all.
Even old ones on liste A used to have worked in their party orgs or AE before settling on any taburet ;)
V
Yeah I don't really disagree. During the last regional elections Region H. was about to get a 25 year old as chairman. Working as a civil servant in a Region I can safely say that the only politician with real power is the chairman. As chairman he would have dealt with various medicinal companies, Doctors unions, civil servants with 20-30 years of experience on all levels of the organization. He would have been raped!
Thankfully he failed in becoming chairman.
Yeah, he was a good example of why career politicians are dangerous, he saw a possibility to get a better position and screwed his allies and his party.
Quote from: Liep on December 14, 2011, 08:35:12 AM
I miss Søren Søndergaard. :(
What about Keld Albrechtsen
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:D
Quote from: Liep on December 14, 2011, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on December 14, 2011, 06:18:12 AM
That may be the problem, they only have their university degrees. Few of them have ever held a real job or been out in the real world...
2 years as head of the youth party, then maybe some work for a municipal post wait for a local nomination, and then get lucky and be in a flavour of the month party come election time. Or just be blond and a member of DF.
Or as our current prime minister, be young student with leftwing views (communist), have your boyfriend introduce you to Ritt Bjerregaard who is "impressed by your charisma and self confidence". Join the party and before you know it, you are rewarded with a job in the party and a fast track to the party leadership, in front all other young hopefuls party members, as the party secretary suddenly also is "impressed by your charisma and self confidence"...
Reading "nationen!" is like banging your head against a wall. Repeatedly. But I still read it... why is that? :P
Quote from: Liep on December 14, 2011, 11:26:33 AM
Reading "nationen!" is like banging your head against a wall. Repeatedly. But I still read it... why is that? :P
It's so full of obvious trolls it's not even funny.
Quote from: The Larch on December 14, 2011, 08:23:06 AM
In Spain we have the same arguments about our politicians' lack of work experience in anything but politics.
Same in the UK. All three party leaders went from university to work for their parties or politicians, then became MPs, then cabinet/shadow cabinet members, then party leaders. I think they've each got a token 2-3 years outside politics. I don't mind the idea of having a political class, but it needs to bring the benefit of actually being good at politics. These guys don't :(
Anyone betting on the Queen's speech? Utøya, Libya or the financial crisis are all good options for odds 2.0. I'm going with odds 4 for her dress being green.
Happy New Years!
Resurrecting the Dane Thread. The biggest lock out in Danish history is soon upon us, 60000 teachers (including Gumby?) being locked out of school because of failing to agree to a 'settlement'.
I'm rooting for Bondo and the union for this mainly because Ziegler seems very douchey :P (but the teacher schedules do need a look through).
Hey man, it's your taxes, spend 'em how you want to.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 28, 2013, 08:17:42 PM
Hey man, it's your taxes, spend 'em how you want to.
Eh? I don't think that how democracies works.
Quote from: Liep on March 29, 2013, 07:54:24 AM
Eh? I don't think that how democracies works.
Kind of. If the current government won't give the teachers what they want, vote for someone else that will.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 29, 2013, 08:52:44 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 29, 2013, 07:54:24 AM
Eh? I don't think that how democracies works.
Kind of. If the current government won't give the teachers what they want, vote for someone else that will.
Oh, well.. it's going to be more expensive this way afaik. They want to change how the teachers spend their time.
And also, we haven't had a government this far to the left since the 60's, at least in theory.
While our PM was flirting with Obama her government began to slowly fall apart at home. The Justice Minister was booted by the parliament yesterday, the Foreign Minister is quitting because of poor health (leaving no one with any skill to take over), and today the head of one of the coalition parties and Social Affairs Minister might get booted as well for granting away a million kroner ignoring proper procedure.
But that selfie brought Denmark international headlines like nothing have since those cartoons!
In other news, Fogh gets another year as head of NATO.
The selfie pic was good, but this one's my favorite:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2013%2F12%2F10%2Farticle-2521146-1A00534A00000578-341_964x459.jpg&hash=c30d831a9c41edb78194ec6f79ea16a564d54960)
https://mobile.twitter.com/RuneKier/statuses/410409751382482945?screen_name=RuneKier
:lol:
Also almost looks like he was bowing to Raul Castro in a different pic :ultra: