Having a kid of my own, I'm just getting used to the "modern" standards of what is appropriate and what is not - and how very different they are from when I was a kid.
For example:
- I walked home from school from at least when I was 6 or so. Today, parents would be called up by child social services if they tried than.
- I and my brothers used to ride in the back of my dad's ford pick-up when in the country, bumping along with the rest of the cargo - this was normal.
- Also in the country, my dad would give us his .22 rifle, tell us to take turns and be careful, and send us out to shoot at tin cans - I was 10 or so.
- My parents drove to California with 3 kids. Not only did we not have child seats, there were no seat belts at all in the back seat.
- After dinner, we kids were sent out to play in the neighbourhood - often on our bikes (no helmets of course). We were told to come back when it got dark.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:05:27 AM
Having a kid of my own, I'm just getting used to the "modern" standards of what is appropriate and what is not - and how very different they are from when I was a kid.[/quote
I think a lot of these depend on where you live. The pickup and .22 bits I feel certain are still acceptable in the country.
It was similar for me, walk home from school from age 5 onwards, out playing back in time for the evening meal etc etc
At boarding school we bought a small motorbike which we used to ride around the school grounds, with no helmets on and up to 4 people riding at once. The staff, so strict in other ways, would not have dreamed of putting a stop to this.
We could only ride it when there were no lessons of course.
Not my own childhood, but my mother used to ride the bus alone to downtown Detroit to meet up with friends she had made in summer camp. Even when I was growing letting a 13 year old white girl ride the bus through southwest Detroit alone would be the equivalent of child abandonment.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:05:27 AM
Having a kid of my own, I'm just getting used to the "modern" standards of what is appropriate and what is not - and how very different they are from when I was a kid.
For example:
- I walked home from school from at least when I was 6 or so. Today, parents would be called up by child social services if they tried than.
- I and my brothers used to ride in the back of my dad's ford pick-up when in the country, bumping along with the rest of the cargo - this was normal.
- Also in the country, my dad would give us his .22 rifle, tell us to take turns and be careful, and send us out to shoot at tin cans - I was 10 or so.
- My parents drove to California with 3 kids. Not only did we not have child seats, there were no seat belts at all in the back seat.
- After dinner, we kids were sent out to play in the neighbourhood - often on our bikes (no helmets of course). We were told to come back when it got dark.
did you get the same powerpoint I got this morning?? :D
All of this stuff was listed...
so yeah, everything except California is there.
Aside that...
- driving an ATV at 10 (no helmet, of course)
- driving a pick-up at 11-12 (not on the road of course)
- driving a tractor, using a chainsaw, using a axe, etc, etc.
- working on construction sites at 13
- eating french fries without remorse
- using plastic bags for grocery shopping
- having my driver's license at 16 and my first car at 17, getting arrested at 17, nearly losing my license twice (with todays laws, I would have lost it)
- a whole bunch of other things I can't think of right now...
Being allowed to play with sharp tools.
Smoking.
Quote from: viper37 on April 15, 2009, 09:12:43 AM
did you get the same powerpoint I got this morning?? :D
All of this stuff was listed...
so yeah, everything except California is there.
:huh:
Powerpoint? No.
Quote from: Neil on April 15, 2009, 09:19:50 AM
Smoking.
Oh yeah - my mom smoked all the time, including when pregnant, and there were ashtrays in the hall in my junior school for convenience of teachers. :lol:
Wow, being a kid these days in North America sucks :(
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:05:27 AM- I walked home from school from at least when I was 6 or so. Today, parents would be called up by child social services if they tried than.
Do parents have to pick up their kids from school? Over here, I often see kids walking home from school alone or in groups without an adult.
I grew up with no double glazing, no central heating and no shower. My nan's house had an outdoor toilet and she used to plug the iron into the light bulb socket.
I used to carry a penknife to school to cut up apples when I had a brace.
As soon as the weather got warm, we used to strip off to our knickers in the playground.
New clothes were a rare treat. Most were cast offs from older kids and as you grew out of them you'd just let down the hem or sew on some lace.
Brushed nylon sheets and brushed nylon nightie. Oh, the blue sparks :D
Quote from: Zanza2 on April 15, 2009, 09:23:38 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:05:27 AM- I walked home from school from at least when I was 6 or so. Today, parents would be called up by child social services if they tried than.
Do parents have to pick up their kids from school? Over here, I often see kids walking home from school alone or in groups without an adult.
I get the impression that they do, yes, until they are at least 10 or so. I could be wrong in this - I'm just learning what is "normal" myself.
The mollycoddling sickness is most advanced in English-speaking countries as far as I can see. Hopefully the Continent will not follow all the way down this particular path.
Quote from: Mikael Hakim on April 15, 2009, 09:23:28 AM
Wow, being a kid these days in North America sucks :(
Indeed. The media has everyone panicked about the possibility of children getting abducted.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:22:47 AM
Oh yeah - my mom smoked all the time, including when pregnant, and there were ashtrays in the hall in my junior school for convenience of teachers. :lol:
Oh, smoking was allowed in smoking carriages on the underground, the top floor of the bus and on the left hand side of cinemas.
There'd be a break mid-way through films.
Oh yes, as Brazen says, I used to carry a knife at least half of the time.
The UK press was in furore recently when a survey showed that 20% of children admitted to having carried a knife. As opposed to the 99% in my day :D
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 15, 2009, 09:29:29 AM
Oh yes, as Brazen says, I used to carry a knife at least half of the time.
The UK press was in furore recently when a survey showed that 20% of children admitted to having carried a knife. As opposed to the 99% in my day :D
When I was in grade 6, my dad and I built a cross-bow from plans he had from an old popular science magazine. I took it in to school to show it off, no-one batted an eye.
Quote from: Brazen on April 15, 2009, 09:27:59 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:22:47 AM
Oh yeah - my mom smoked all the time, including when pregnant, and there were ashtrays in the hall in my junior school for convenience of teachers. :lol:
Oh, smoking was allowed in smoking carriages on the underground, the top floor of the bus and on the left hand side of cinemas.
There'd be a break mid-way through films.
Anyone remember the ubiquitous ash-trays that used to exist outside of elevators? I saw some the other day, a relic of a bye-gone era.
I would perhaps get Ritalin if I was a kid these days. I showed some symptoms of AD/HD. Thankfully that stuff didn't exist when I was a kid.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:32:33 AM
Quote from: Brazen on April 15, 2009, 09:27:59 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:22:47 AM
Oh yeah - my mom smoked all the time, including when pregnant, and there were ashtrays in the hall in my junior school for convenience of teachers. :lol:
Oh, smoking was allowed in smoking carriages on the underground, the top floor of the bus and on the left hand side of cinemas.
There'd be a break mid-way through films.
Anyone remember the ubiquitous ash-trays that used to exist outside of elevators? I saw some the other day, a relic of a bye-gone era.
Yeah, with that light tan sand in it.
You know, the old days were far, far better than these days.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:31:15 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 15, 2009, 09:29:29 AM
Oh yes, as Brazen says, I used to carry a knife at least half of the time.
The UK press was in furore recently when a survey showed that 20% of children admitted to having carried a knife. As opposed to the 99% in my day :D
When I was in grade 6, my dad and I built a cross-bow from plans he had from an old popular science magazine. I took it in to school to show it off, no-one batted an eye.
I built a crossbow at school out of rulers and such. I'd probably get expelled in this day and age.
Just remembered another one.
When I was 12/13 I got into making my own rockets. I therefore ordered potassium nitrate, sulphur and charcoal from a chemical supplies company so I could mix up my own gunpowder. The rockets were rather crap btw, got a few trivial burns for my trouble and there was a small fire once; mostly the "rockets" just fizzled around at ground level trying to burn things rather than taking off :(
Quote from: Neil on April 15, 2009, 09:39:50 AM
Yeah, with that light tan sand in it.
You know, the old days were far, far better than these days.
Now that stuff is as lost in the past as bar spitoons.
When I was an innocent kid in elementary school, we used to call the negro girl "the monkey" and she would laugh with us.
That shit wouldn't fly these days. Probably get you robbed by her coooouzins. Or knifed.
The only talking with negro women I get to partake of these days is, "No, I'm not interested in fucking you, no matter how cheap it is. Will you please release my arm?"
Granted, I still feel a bit embarrassed about the way we treated that poor girl. :blush:
Not the hooker. My classmate.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 15, 2009, 09:41:35 AM
Just remembered another one.
When I was 12/13 I got into making my own rockets. I therefore ordered potassium nitrate, sulphur and charcoal from a chemical supplies company so I could mix up my own gunpowder. The rockets were rather crap btw, got a few trivial burns for my trouble and there was a small fire once; mostly the "rockets" just fizzled around at ground level trying to burn things rather than taking off :(
Heh in grade 8 a bunch of us geeky kids were into making explosives - we tried to get our teacher to order powdered metals for us, but on reading the labels he decided not to. :lol:
My brother was injured making fireworks in science class - for a class project.
Quote from: Slargos on April 15, 2009, 09:45:37 AM
When I was an innocent kid in elementary school, we used to call the negro girl "the monkey" and she would laugh with us.
Right. :lol:
QuoteThe only talking with negro women I get to partake of these days is, "No, I'm not interested in fucking you, no matter how cheap it is. Will you please release my arm?"
This reads like you are accosting her. :D
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:45:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 15, 2009, 09:41:35 AM
Just remembered another one.
When I was 12/13 I got into making my own rockets. I therefore ordered potassium nitrate, sulphur and charcoal from a chemical supplies company so I could mix up my own gunpowder. The rockets were rather crap btw, got a few trivial burns for my trouble and there was a small fire once; mostly the "rockets" just fizzled around at ground level trying to burn things rather than taking off :(
Heh in grade 8 a bunch of us geeky kids were into making explosives - we tried to get our teacher to order powdered metals for us, but on reading the labels he decided not to. :lol:
My brother was injured making fireworks in science class - for a class project.
Yes, indeed. This was the sort of stuff nerdy well-behaved kids got up to back in the day. It's a good job that youngsters have got computers now, otherwise the restrictions placed on them would be intolerable.
Everything :(
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:45:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 15, 2009, 09:41:35 AM
Just remembered another one.
When I was 12/13 I got into making my own rockets. I therefore ordered potassium nitrate, sulphur and charcoal from a chemical supplies company so I could mix up my own gunpowder. The rockets were rather crap btw, got a few trivial burns for my trouble and there was a small fire once; mostly the "rockets" just fizzled around at ground level trying to burn things rather than taking off :(
Heh in grade 8 a bunch of us geeky kids were into making explosives - we tried to get our teacher to order powdered metals for us, but on reading the labels he decided not to. :lol:
My brother was injured making fireworks in science class - for a class project.
:D
We had a brief flareup of acetone peroxide production in the late 90s (when the marvels of the Interweb revealed "The Anarchist's Cookbook") until the local paint store got a notice from the police that they should stop selling to minors and to this day I still can't really understand how that summer could pass by without even one fatality.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:47:31 AM
Quote from: Slargos on April 15, 2009, 09:45:37 AM
When I was an innocent kid in elementary school, we used to call the negro girl "the monkey" and she would laugh with us.
Right. :lol:
QuoteThe only talking with negro women I get to partake of these days is, "No, I'm not interested in fucking you, no matter how cheap it is. Will you please release my arm?"
This reads like you are accosting her. :D
It is, alas, a true story. This was way before mudpeople were as common as they are now. She was adopted, rather than part of the voter-import waves of the 90s.
It was 20 years ago, but I still remember that my feeble teasing was usually taken in good humour and kindred spirit but the budding romance was unfortunately cut short when my parents decided to move to the boonies. :blush:
These days there's no middle ground of friendly japes.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:43:53 AM
Now that stuff is as lost in the past as bar spitoons.
Well outdoor ashtrays aren't that far removed, although they have black sand, usually.
Quote from: Zanza2 on April 15, 2009, 09:23:38 AM
Do parents have to pick up their kids from school? Over here, I often see kids walking home from school alone or in groups without an adult.
Well usually they have to, or the kids ride the bus. When I had to stay late for soccer...ok band practice in High School my dad had to pick me up before I learned to drive at 16. However if the kids live close enough to walk I sure hope they are still walking to and from school. I mean I have a job I cannot hover over my kids all the damn time...presuming I have some.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:45:47 AM
Heh in grade 8 a bunch of us geeky kids were into making explosives - we tried to get our teacher to order powdered metals for us, but on reading the labels he decided not to. :lol:
My brother was injured making fireworks in science class - for a class project.
In physics we made rockets, and that was in 1999.
25 years ago, I spent an entire holiday week with some friends trying to build paper ballons, made of wire covered in very light paper, and attaching under them small cans filled with gasoline-imbued cotton, then lighting the cotton trying to make the balloons fly.
We never got our best performing balloon over 3-4 meters, and usually they ended burning like the Hindenburg. We almost set a couple of trees to fire :lol:
During the same holiday, we usually went by bicycle to the nearby town (5-6 kilometers) to buy ice creams and stuff, using either the usual roads or the nearby river embankment, and no one ever told us anything.
L.
I'm not sure. I'll think about it. My childhood was conditioned by growing up in the most rural part of the country so a lot of it wouldn't have been allowed if I'd stayed in Liverpool.
The thing I know that my mum always recalls with shock is that when I was a baby (I think when I was weaning) the advice at the time was to give your children peanut butter. Now it's not.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:05:27 AM
Having a kid of my own, I'm just getting used to the "modern" standards of what is appropriate and what is not - and how very different they are from when I was a kid.
For example:
- I walked home from school from at least when I was 6 or so. Today, parents would be called up by child social services if they tried than.
- I and my brothers used to ride in the back of my dad's ford pick-up when in the country, bumping along with the rest of the cargo - this was normal.
- Also in the country, my dad would give us his .22 rifle, tell us to take turns and be careful, and send us out to shoot at tin cans - I was 10 or so.
- My parents drove to California with 3 kids. Not only did we not have child seats, there were no seat belts at all in the back seat.
- After dinner, we kids were sent out to play in the neighbourhood - often on our bikes (no helmets of course). We were told to come back when it got dark.
Did everything but drive to Cali.
Also there was the shooting BB's out of a crack in the garage door.
And when I was visiting in kentucky, shooting off fireworks. Once had a pack of firecrackers go off in my hand.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:05:27 AM
Having a kid of my own, I'm just getting used to the "modern" standards of what is appropriate and what is not - and how very different they are from when I was a kid.
For example:
- I walked home from school from at least when I was 6 or so. Today, parents would be called up by child social services if they tried than.
- I and my brothers used to ride in the back of my dad's ford pick-up when in the country, bumping along with the rest of the cargo - this was normal.
- Also in the country, my dad would give us his .22 rifle, tell us to take turns and be careful, and send us out to shoot at tin cans - I was 10 or so.
- My parents drove to California with 3 kids. Not only did we not have child seats, there were no seat belts at all in the back seat.
- After dinner, we kids were sent out to play in the neighbourhood - often on our bikes (no helmets of course). We were told to come back when it got dark.
I think this depends largely on culture. Alot of the things you call "unthinkable" are certainly so to among the helicopter parent crowd, but not so much elsewhere.
When I was a kid, I fired rifles (.22 bolt action) all the time, and would have no problem giving a gun to my kid and teaching him how to shoot or go hunting with him if that's something he wanted to do.
I think alot of your issues relate to social isolation and paranoia... I would have less of a problem with a kid walking home alone simply because I don't fear everyone around me, which is understandable given that I live in a small community and people are friendly, outgoing, and think nothing of helping each other out.
Quote- I walked home from school from at least when I was 6 or so. Today, parents would be called up by child social services if they tried than.
AFAIK, this is still the norm for kids who live close to the school.
Quote- I and my brothers used to ride in the back of my dad's ford pick-up when in the country, bumping along with the rest of the cargo - this was normal.
This was illegal even when I was a kid, and according to my mom even when she was a kid (she was born in 1926) it was against the law to carry passangers in the back of a pickup truck. But I've never heard of anyone getting ticketed for it, much less arrested, and I still see it all the time. If you did it with small children nowdays, I'd expect that you might get in trouble with Social Services, though.
Quote- Also in the country, my dad would give us his .22 rifle, tell us to take turns and be careful, and send us out to shoot at tin cans - I was 10 or so.
In most of the US, it would be unthinkable to wait till your son was 10 to teach him how to use a firearm. :D
Something that I haven't seen anyone else mention, but when I was a kid, they had cigarettes in vending machines. My stepdad would give my a couple quarters and have me go get him a couple packs out of the machine outside the drugstore at the end of our street.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 15, 2009, 10:44:57 AM
Also there was the shooting BB's out of a crack in the garage door.
We had pellet gun fights. Nobody actually lost an eye so no harm. These days people wuss out and wear full face protection while shooting paint at eachother.
Quote from: dps on April 15, 2009, 01:12:04 PM
Something that I haven't seen anyone else mention, but when I was a kid, they had cigarettes in vending machines. My stepdad would give my a couple quarters and have me go get him a couple packs out of the machine outside the drugstore at the end of our street.
They still have those in a couple small highway towns in the North. It wouldn't surprise me if they were illegal.
All seven of us, five siblings, two parents, riding in my Dad's 1964 Ford Anglia.
Three in the back. Me sitting on the gear shift lump between the front seats. Baby brother in mother's arms.
Not a seatbelt in site.
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2009, 10:55:26 AM
I think alot of your issues relate to social isolation and paranoia... I would have less of a problem with a kid walking home alone simply because I don't fear everyone around me, which is understandable given that I live in a small community and people are friendly, outgoing, and think nothing of helping each other out.
Or urban vs. suburban.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 01:28:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 15, 2009, 10:44:57 AM
Also there was the shooting BB's out of a crack in the garage door.
We had pellet gun fights. Nobody actually lost an eye so no harm. These days people wuss out and wear full face protection while shooting paint at eachother.
We do but a 300fps ball of paint in one eye makes the other pop out, rendering you...blind.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 15, 2009, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 01:28:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 15, 2009, 10:44:57 AM
Also there was the shooting BB's out of a crack in the garage door.
We had pellet gun fights. Nobody actually lost an eye so no harm. These days people wuss out and wear full face protection while shooting paint at eachother.
We do but a 300fps ball of paint in one eye makes the other pop out, rendering you...blind.
Wimp.
I had forgotten the greatest game ever:
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Jarts! They just don't make games like that anymore.
Quote from: Savonarola on April 15, 2009, 03:33:10 PM
I had forgotten the greatest game ever:
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Jarts! They just don't make games like that anymore.
That they don't. :lol:
Know that soft spot in a child's skull - the part that doesn't fuse until puberty ... ?
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 03:27:03 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 15, 2009, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 01:28:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 15, 2009, 10:44:57 AM
Also there was the shooting BB's out of a crack in the garage door.
We had pellet gun fights. Nobody actually lost an eye so no harm. These days people wuss out and wear full face protection while shooting paint at eachother.
We do but a 300fps ball of paint in one eye makes the other pop out, rendering you...blind.
Wimp.
It's the world we live in. :(
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 15, 2009, 03:36:28 PM
It's the world we live in. :(
Thats the whole point. Back in the day our parents bought us pellet guns and pellets and told us to run off and have fun. The only rule was to be back by dinner and for heavens sake if you must shoot at someone, dont take out their eyes.
Simpler times.
we got to bodycheck in 8 and under hockey. we played guns. we played cowboys and indians. we were "allowed" to fight in the schoolyard. we could be "unsupervised" all day in the summer and weekends. I also walked to school alone.
I plan on letting my children do all that.
Fuck society.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 15, 2009, 03:46:48 PM
I plan on letting my children do all that.
Fuck society.
Your kids will grow up to be well adjusted just like..... never mind.
Quote from: saskganesh on April 15, 2009, 03:45:03 PM
we got to bodycheck in 8 and under hockey. we played guns. we played cowboys and indians. we were "allowed" to fight in the schoolyard. we could be "unsupervised" all day in the summer and weekends. I also walked to school alone.
Oh yeah the guns thing. Carl has taken to playing shooting type imagination games - pretending he's shooting "monsters" with a stick, for example. My wife fretted mildly about that but I put my foot down - he can play such stuff if he wants to in my opinion.
:huh: She doesn't want him to play at all?
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 15, 2009, 03:46:48 PM
I plan on letting my children do all that.
Fuck society.
You know, I thought that too.
Then I had kids, and realized that there was no fucking way I could handle something happening to them. I still cannot really relax when the younger one (almost 6) is outside playing and we are not out there keeping an eye on her. And we live in a extremely safe, friendly, and middle class neighborhood.
I don't think I am over-protective, but at the same time, I think some of the things my parents let me do was simply stupid.
My son will not be walking two miles each way across a shitload of traffic to 5th grade for example.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 03:48:03 PM
Oh yeah the guns thing. Carl has taken to playing shooting type imagination games - pretending he's shooting "monsters" with a stick, for example. My wife fretted mildly about that but I put my foot down - he can play such stuff if he wants to in my opinion.
Funny thing about boys, even when their mothers try their best to keep anything remotely resembling a gun away from their child a boy will always find a way around that.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 03:48:03 PM
Oh yeah the guns thing. Carl has taken to playing shooting type imagination games - pretending he's shooting "monsters" with a stick, for example. My wife fretted mildly about that but I put my foot down - he can play such stuff if he wants to in my opinion.
Funny thing about boys, even when their mothers try their best to keep anything remotely resembling a gun away from their child a boy will always find a way around that.
Heh pointing out the impossibility of stopping him was one of my arguments. :D
In general it seems better not to attempt to enforce stuff you can't enforce.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
Funny thing about boys, even when their mothers try their best to keep anything remotely resembling a gun away from their child a boy will always find a way around that.
I don't ever remember wanting to play with guns except for when visiting my male cousins. I generally stuck to my action figures.
Of course, I also played house and barbies with my sisters. :blush:
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2009, 04:03:50 PM
My son will not be walking two miles each way across a shitload of traffic to 5th grade for example.
:(
I would ride my bike 4 miles to school as much as the weather would allow it, starting in grade 5. I loved having that freedom.
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2009, 04:03:50 PM
My son will not be walking two miles each way across a shitload of traffic to 5th grade for example.
You need to make sure it's always through the snowstorm, and uphill. Both ways. :D
Quote from: garbon on April 15, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
Funny thing about boys, even when their mothers try their best to keep anything remotely resembling a gun away from their child a boy will always find a way around that.
I don't ever remember wanting to play with guns except for when visiting my male cousins. I generally stuck to my action figures.
Of course, I also played house and barbies with my sisters. :blush:
OMG it was the same with me.
I had He-Man action figures. And played with barbies. :blush:
I did love swords and knights, though.
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2009, 04:03:50 PM
I don't think I am over-protective, but at the same time, I think some of the things my parents let me do was simply stupid.
Well, you turned out we... oh right. :(
Quote from: garbon on April 15, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
I don't ever remember wanting to play with guns except for when visiting my male cousins.
So even you could not avoid the boy/gun attraction.
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2009, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 15, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
Funny thing about boys, even when their mothers try their best to keep anything remotely resembling a gun away from their child a boy will always find a way around that.
I don't ever remember wanting to play with guns except for when visiting my male cousins. I generally stuck to my action figures.
Of course, I also played house and barbies with my sisters. :blush:
OMG it was the same with me.
I had He-Man action figures. And played with barbies. :blush:
I did love swords and knights, though.
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Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 04:57:58 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 15, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
I don't ever remember wanting to play with guns except for when visiting my male cousins.
So even you could not avoid the boy/gun attraction.
I think his attraction had to do with a different type of "guns" though. :P
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2009, 04:56:42 PM
OMG it was the same with me.
We have identified an early detection method. Can a cure be far behind.
Speaking of which, my homophobic colleague from work recently told me that he bought his 4 y.o. son some toy knights. His son promptly undressed them and started to hit one of them against the other. When my colleague asked what they are doing, his son replied that they are kissing.
I roared with laughter, inwardly. :P
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
Speaking of which, my homophobic colleague from work ...
I wasnt refering to early detection for gays. Very few of the gays around here act like you. :P
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 05:04:12 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
Speaking of which, my homophobic colleague from work ...
I wasnt refering to early detection for gays. Very few of the gays around here act like you. :P
:P
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 15, 2009, 04:57:58 PM
So even you could not avoid the boy/gun attraction.
It was short lived though as their dog (half wolf, half german shepard) would try to attack anyone that pointed fake guns at them.
I remember now though, that my sister and I often played with water guns.
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2009, 04:56:42 PM
OMG it was the same with me.
I had He-Man action figures. And played with barbies. :blush:
I did love swords and knights, though.
I had superheros, ninja turtles and transformers. :wub:
I also had My Little Pony, Barbies, and Polly Pocket. :blush:
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2009, 04:59:09 PM
I think his attraction had to do with a different type of "guns" though. :P
I liked the type of guns that you can see at the gun show. :goodboy:
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2009, 04:03:50 PM
Then I had kids, and realized that there was no fucking way I could handle something happening to them. I still cannot really relax when the younger one (almost 6) is outside playing and we are not out there keeping an eye on her. And we live in a extremely safe, friendly, and middle class neighborhood.
And that's the thing. Even if you think you're smart, you're still vulnerable to the mass hysteria that the media peddles, down in your deep psychology.
Kevin Costner winning an Oscar.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 03:48:03 PMOh yeah the guns thing. Carl has taken to playing shooting type imagination games - pretending he's shooting "monsters" with a stick, for example. My wife fretted mildly about that but I put my foot down - he can play such stuff if he wants to in my opinion.
:menace: Good job, groom him for the armed forces. :cool:
Quote from: Queequeg on April 15, 2009, 06:45:29 PM
Kevin Costner winning an Oscar.
For that matter, any popular movie winning an Oscar.
Quote from: garbon on April 15, 2009, 05:09:33 PM
It was short lived though as their dog (half wolf, half german shepard) would try to attack anyone that pointed fake guns at them.
Tell us more.
Quite a few things, though I think more lamentable it the great outdoors isn't available, 'unsupervised' , for many children; somewhere they can experiment/do all sorts of not necessarily useful stuff.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:05:27 AM
Having a kid of my own, I'm just getting used to the "modern" standards of what is appropriate and what is not - and how very different they are from when I was a kid.
For example:
- I walked home from school from at least when I was 6 or so. Today, parents would be called up by child social services if they tried than.
- After dinner, we kids were sent out to play in the neighbourhood - often on our bikes (no helmets of course). We were told to come back when it got dark.
In my neck of the woods those two points are standard practice. :huh: :blush:
I suppose the casual use of firearms, mildly drunk babysitters, determined non-use of bicyle helmets and shocking experimentation with empty rifle cartridges and fireworks powder will be the most urgent pleasures of my childhood denied to my sons as they grow up. :cry: :lol:
Plus, sheep and raspberry theft will be right out as well.
Quote from: garbon on April 15, 2009, 11:55:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 15, 2009, 07:32:27 PM
Tell us more.
They named it Rex.
:lol: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that kind of dog is called Czech Shepard, it's way bigger and more slender than a german shepard and the hair colour is grey, with some darker shades.
A friend of mine had one of those dogs, but was forced to put it to sleep because it got more and more aggressive, even with family members :(
L.
Quote from: Pedrito on April 16, 2009, 02:24:05 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 15, 2009, 11:55:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 15, 2009, 07:32:27 PM
Tell us more.
They named it Rex.
:lol: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that kind of dog is called Czech Shepard, it's way bigger and more slender than a german shepard and the hair colour is grey, with some darker shades.
A friend of mine had one of those dogs, but was forced to put it to sleep because it got more and more aggressive, even with family members :(
L.
They call it a Czech Shepard because you think it's a German Shepard until you check and discover it's a mongrel.
I kill me. :P
Quote from: Martinus on April 16, 2009, 04:20:12 AM
They call it a Czech Shepard because you think it's a German Shepard until you check and discover it's a mongrel.
I kill me. :P
WTF :lmfao:
L.
Quote from: mongers on April 15, 2009, 08:09:55 PM
Quite a few things, though I think more lamentable it the great outdoors isn't available, 'unsupervised' , for many children; somewhere they can experiment/do all sorts of not necessarily useful stuff.
That's one of the reasons I'm REALLY glad I moved here... probably half of the state of Kentucky is quasi-wilderness. :cool:
Quote from: Martinus on April 16, 2009, 04:20:12 AM
They call it a Czech Shepard because you think it's a German Shepard until you check and discover it's a mongrel.
I kill me. :P
You are on fire today. :lol:
Quote from: Neil on April 15, 2009, 06:22:06 PM
And that's the thing. Even if you think you're smart, you're still vulnerable to the mass hysteria that the media peddles, down in your deep psychology.
Frankly, I worry more about the kid not looking and running into the street than child abduction - and from what I've seen, this is hardly a "hysterical" concern.
I don't know but I'm willing to bet that for every kid that gets abducted by strangers, at least 100 get hit by cars.
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2009, 06:57:38 PM
:menace: Good job, groom him for the armed forces. :cool:
The Canadian Armed forces? It would be sad when his American allies accidentally shoot down his helicopter :(
Quote from: Valmy on April 16, 2009, 08:10:31 AMThe Canadian Armed forces? It would be sad when his American allies accidentally shoot down his helicopter :(
It should be noted that a former Princess Patty holds the current world record for longest sniper shot. ^_^
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2009, 08:32:50 AM
It should be noted that a former Princess Patty holds the current world record for longest sniper shot. ^_^
Given the history of American friendly fire tragedies, we have learned to fire from further back.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 16, 2009, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2009, 08:32:50 AM
It should be noted that a former Princess Patty holds the current world record for longest sniper shot. ^_^
Given the history of American friendly fire tragedies, we have learned to fire from further back.
We're just prepping you guys for an easy invasion.
OBAMA: "That BLU-82 that just got dropped on Canadian Parliament? LOL FRIENDLY FIRE SORRY GUYZ"
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2009, 11:34:12 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 16, 2009, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2009, 08:32:50 AM
It should be noted that a former Princess Patty holds the current world record for longest sniper shot. ^_^
Given the history of American friendly fire tragedies, we have learned to fire from further back.
We're just prepping you guys for an easy invasion.
OBAMA: "That BLU-82 that just got dropped on Canadian Parliament? LOL FRIENDLY FIRE SORRY GUYZ"
We'll just have to burn down Washington ... again. :D
We'll call on the Militias for help, calling it a tax protest.
Quote from: Savonarola on April 15, 2009, 03:33:10 PM
I had forgotten the greatest game ever:
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Jarts! They just don't make games like that anymore.
Yes, I played Jarts and I really wasn't very good at it. In hindsight, I wonder why folks didn't stand further back when I was throwing.
During heavy spring rains, our street would flood. We used to go out and play in the flood waters, with all of the other neighbor kids. We also used to drink water straight from the backyard hose.
Quote from: charliebear on April 16, 2009, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 15, 2009, 03:33:10 PM
I had forgotten the greatest game ever:
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Jarts! They just don't make games like that anymore.
Yes, I played Jarts and I really wasn't very good at it. In hindsight, I wonder why folks didn't stand further back when I was throwing.
During heavy spring rains, our street would flood. We used to go out and play in the flood waters, with all of the other neighbor kids. We also used to drink water straight from the backyard hose.
People still drink from the hose sometimes.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 16, 2009, 12:32:22 PM
Quote from: charliebear on April 16, 2009, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 15, 2009, 03:33:10 PM
I had forgotten the greatest game ever:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lawn-jarts.com%2Fimages%2Fjarts.jpg&hash=7b4ad3ab0fc2d2245a9d2940e52d5af30b165a10)
Jarts! They just don't make games like that anymore.
Yes, I played Jarts and I really wasn't very good at it. In hindsight, I wonder why folks didn't stand further back when I was throwing.
During heavy spring rains, our street would flood. We used to go out and play in the flood waters, with all of the other neighbor kids. We also used to drink water straight from the backyard hose.
People still drink from the hose sometimes.
I've since been told it's nasty to do that, because of worms and other micro-organisms. Who knew? In the summer, hose water was the coldest water anywhere and tasted sooooo good.
What is wrong with drinking from the backyard hose?
edit: Never mind
QuoteIn the summer, hose water was the coldest water anywhere and tasted sooooo good.
still is. One of the things that motivates me to get out for a run in the summer is knowing I can cool down running the hose over my head and taking a nice long drink.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 16, 2009, 12:36:35 PM
What is wrong with drinking from the backyard hose?
Supposedly there are "things" that thrive in the system, since that water isn't potable.
OMG you might get an amoeba! and then a peanut allergy. :(
Quote from: charliebear on April 16, 2009, 12:38:58 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 16, 2009, 12:36:35 PM
What is wrong with drinking from the backyard hose?
Supposedly there are "things" that thrive in the system, since that water isn't potable.
The water coming out of your hose is almost certainly coming from the exact same place the water coming out of your sink faucet is.
The problem is that most hoses are made with lead in them, and the lead can leach into the water. Hence drinking out of the hose is a bad idea, unless it is specifically designed to be safe to drink from, in which case it should be marked as such.
Has nothing to do with the "system", whatever that means.
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2009, 12:42:20 PM
OMG you might get an amoeba! and then a peanut allergy. :(
Actually, what you might get is lead poisoning. Especially children.
Quote from: Berkut on April 16, 2009, 12:44:04 PM
Has nothing to do with the "system", whatever that means.
Are you sure? Can you site your source?
Quote from: charliebear on April 16, 2009, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 16, 2009, 12:44:04 PM
Has nothing to do with the "system", whatever that means.
Are you sure? Can you site your source?
I hav eno source that shows that the "system" is not the problem.
Do you ahve a source that says it is? Might start with a definition.
Or you could google "water hose safety" or something.
Becasuse I like you and I feel charitable towards someone who roots for a team that has Izzo as a coach:
QuoteEEC ALERT:
High Levels of Lead Found in Common Use Garden Hoses
Some common use garden hoses that are sold at local stores such as Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Target and Ace Hardware may contain very high levels of lead. Garden hoses tend to be made of PVC, which is a dirty plastic, in which lead is used as a stabilizer.[1]
Some of the hoses tested had lead levels almost 20 times higher than what the EPS allows for drinking water.
Lead is very dangerous to the health of young children; no amount of lead exposure is safe for a child. Lead puts children at risk for brain damage, developmental delays and a host of other very serious health problems.
What You Can DO?
With all garden hoses you should:
§ Check the label on any garden hose you buy. Make sure its safe for drinking or to be used around children.
§ Check the label for any warnings on it saying do not drink , if you cant find the label or just are not sure call about the garden hose you are using call the store or manufacturer and ask questions about the hoses safety;
§ If in doubt do not use around children and pets;
If you know the hose is safe:
§ Flush any hose before you use it;
§ Use only marine or RV hoses, they are generally safe for drinking and around children.
§ Always have water available for children from a pitcher instead of from a garden hose.
If you are unsure about the safety of a hose:
§ Do not let children drink from any hose;
§ Do not fill kiddy or wading pools with any hoses that may not be safe;
§ Hoses with brass fittings can also leach lead into the water where children play. [//quote]
Note that it is ok to drink from "safe" hoses, hence it is clearly the hose that is the potential problem, not the "system".
Whole generations of children have been poisoned.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 16, 2009, 01:29:36 PM
Whole generations of children have been poisoned.
That explains me then.
Back in my day we ate lead paint chips we peeled off the walls AND WE LIKED IT. :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2009, 03:03:53 PM
Back in my day we ate lead paint chips we peeled off the walls AND WE LIKED IT. :mad:
Hey, back in Roman times they flavoured stuff with tasty sugar of lead. As a re-enactor and as a gourmand, you should get right on that action. :D
Me has eating lead sirrup on Roaming food. :)
From the original question: Zac Efron would be cast as Johnny Quest. :ultra: :weep:
Quote from: Berkut on April 16, 2009, 01:07:22 PM
Becasuse I like you and I feel charitable towards someone who roots for a team that has Izzo as a coach:
QuoteEEC ALERT:
High Levels of Lead Found in Common Use Garden Hoses
Some common use garden hoses that are sold at local stores such as Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Target and Ace Hardware may contain very high levels of lead. Garden hoses tend to be made of PVC, which is a dirty plastic, in which lead is used as a stabilizer.[1]
<snip> [//quote]
Note that it is ok to drink from "safe" hoses, hence it is clearly the hose that is the potential problem, not the "system".
Thank you for the informative article. I would never have thought that filling kiddy pools could be bad.
A lot of the smoking issues have definitely become extremely marginal, but are still thinkable at least. I used one of those apres-elevator ashtrays staying on a smoking floor of a Holiday Inn in Pittsburgh last year (before the new PA smoking laws), and just last week used an ashtray in a garage waiting room (though it might not have been strictly legal, the ashtray was full).
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2009, 03:03:53 PM
Back in my day we ate lead paint chips we peeled off the walls AND WE LIKED IT. :mad:
I got alot of lead poisoning as a kid. It was painful. :(
Also, comically, the interior stairwell of the Common Pleas Court (the main criminal court) in Philadelphia is full of people (defendants, lawyers, and staff alike) lighting up cigarettes in front of massive cigarette-crossed-out signs, and completely stinks of stale cigarettes. :D
All the rockets talk got me all nostalgic- in seventh grade, we fired off a bunch of model rockets from the backyard of my school during science class. Everybody else got Estes Alphas, but the science teacher let me run a Big Bertha, modified to accept a couple extra D engines. The rocket was Timmy-approved, too- I painted it to look like one of the missiles hanging on a VF-1 Valkyrie from Robotech. :nerd:
On the OP:
Actually getting two hours on a Saturday morning where I'd have a whole block of cartoons I wanted to watch is a biggie. TV in general seemed so much better when I was a kid.
Quote from: Mikael Hakim on April 15, 2009, 09:23:28 AM
Wow, being a kid these days in North America sucks :(
Especially if you suck up to the prevailing orthodoxy.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 16, 2009, 05:16:23 PM
Also, comically, the interior stairwell of the Common Pleas Court (the main criminal court) in Philadelphia is full of people (defendants, lawyers, and staff alike) lighting up cigarettes in front of massive cigarette-crossed-out signs, and completely stinks of stale cigarettes. :D
I think I was there once for jury pool selection. Thank Cthulhu I didn't get selected. :bleeding:
Only three TV stations which stopped broadcasting about 11pm and for a large chunk of the daytime. Test card FTW.
Quote from: Brazen on April 17, 2009, 06:48:08 AM
Only three TV stations which stopped broadcasting about 11pm and for a large chunk of the daytime. Test card FTW.
:D
For me, it was CBS, NBC, ABC, a UHF station(maybe) and a PBS station. When cable came, it BLEW MY MIND.
I was: not allowed to watch Showtime! :(
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2009, 06:56:12 AM
I was: not allowed to watch Showtime! :(
:nelson:
MY PARENTS DID NOT CARE WHAT I WATCHED.
Quote from: Caliga on April 17, 2009, 06:56:12 AM
I was: not allowed to watch Showtime! :(
I use to watch Prism for the Pornos :P
Who said I *didn't* watch Showtime? :shifty:
They ran this horribly cheesy softcore called "Blue Movies" like every night at 2 am. :)
Speaking of old timey TV, I remember the the day the family got a VCR. IT WAS LIKE A WHOLE NEW WORLD OPENED UP FOR ME.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2009, 07:02:43 AM
Speaking of old timey TV, I remember the the day the family got a VCR. IT WAS LIKE A WHOLE NEW WORLD OPENED UP FOR ME.
We were late to the game, it wasn't till like 1986 for xmas.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2009, 06:51:25 AM
Quote from: Brazen on April 17, 2009, 06:48:08 AM
Only three TV stations which stopped broadcasting about 11pm and for a large chunk of the daytime. Test card FTW.
:D
For me, it was CBS, NBC, ABC, a UHF station(maybe) and a PBS station. When cable came, it BLEW MY MIND.
I would hear about friends who came back from the States boasting of 200 TV channels and one dedicated entirely to music! That broadcast all night! :mmm:
Quote from: Brazen on April 17, 2009, 07:04:49 AMI would hear about friends who came back from the States boasting of 200 TV channels and one dedicated entirely to music! That broadcast all night! :mmm:
Brazen wanted her MTV ^_^
I never had a VHS.
Quote from: Camper on April 17, 2009, 12:35:47 AM
Quote from: Mikael Hakim on April 15, 2009, 09:23:28 AM
Wow, being a kid these days in North America sucks :(
Especially if you suck up to the prevailing orthodoxy.
Hey, a Camper sighting!
What's up? :)
This is a pretty amusing iteration of the crotchety old man bitching about how everything was better when they were kids meme...
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 08:51:01 AM
This is a pretty amusing iteration of the crotchety old man bitching about how everything was better when they were kids meme...
Heh, I'm not really sure everything was "better". Some of the stuff we did strikes me as moronically unsafe in hindsight, even at the time I wondered if it was really a good idea to go bouncing down the highway in the back of my dad's pickup truck.
Grumbler used to spar with the older legionnaires when the returned from campaigning against the Gauls - nobody cared about a young boy swinging around a gladius or throwing a practice pila.
Quote from: Malthus on April 17, 2009, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 08:51:01 AM
This is a pretty amusing iteration of the crotchety old man bitching about how everything was better when they were kids meme...
Heh, I'm not really sure everything was "better". Some of the stuff we did strikes me as moronically unsafe in hindsight, even at the time I wondered if it was really a good idea to go bouncing down the highway in the back of my dad's pickup truck.
Oh, I agree - in fact, I don't think everything was better at all, and I suspect the vast majority of things that people today think are "over-protective" are actually not.
Look at the water hose thing everyone laughs off. Drinking water from a water hose that is unsafe can literally have 100 times the amount of lead considered dangerous in it. If the hose just sits on the ground full of water for a week, a really alarming amount of lead leeches into it.
Hell, my hoses have been sitting in my garage all winter, full of the same water that was left in them 6 months ago when I brought them in. I wonder how much lead is in that water?
Berkut, normally you would run the water for a while to let it get cold before drinking. Most of us wouldnt suck the stuck out. :D
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 17, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
Berkut, normally you would run the water for a while to let it get cold before drinking. Most of us wouldnt suck the stuck out. :D
True, although you are still risking elevated amounts of lead. It isn't like there is some ok amount of lead.
The other concern with standing water is using it to fill up a kiddie pool, for example. Not at all unusual to toss the hose into the pool before turning it on.
Quote from: Brazen on April 17, 2009, 06:48:08 AM
Only three TV stations which stopped broadcasting about 11pm and for a large chunk of the daytime. Test card FTW.
:yes:
I watched "school tv" on the third (i.e. regional) program during pre-school, because nothing else was on. My favorite shows included "German for Foreigners" and "Tele College Chemistry", even though I didn't understand anything of the latter.
I also recall staying up sneakingly till end of broadcast - they'd show a German flag flying in the wind, played the anthem, and then switched to static, or as we called it, ant football.
Given that people have been doing this for generations, is there any study that links hose use with adverse results in any way?
I read your other post about proper hose use but really, do you know anyone that "flushes" their hose before using it?
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 17, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
Berkut, normally you would run the water for a while to let it get cold before drinking. Most of us wouldnt suck the stuck out. :D
True, although you are still risking elevated amounts of lead. It isn't like there is some ok amount of lead.
The other concern with standing water is using it to fill up a kiddie pool, for example. Not at all unusual to toss the hose into the pool before turning it on.
It's not like lead is that big a deal.
Quote from: katmai on April 17, 2009, 07:03:13 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2009, 07:02:43 AM
Speaking of old timey TV, I remember the the day the family got a VCR. IT WAS LIKE A WHOLE NEW WORLD OPENED UP FOR ME.
We were late to the game, it wasn't till like 1986 for xmas.
I'm not sure that was late. I don't think VCR ownership passed 50% of households until sometime in the late 80s.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 17, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Given that people have been doing this for generations, is there any study that links hose use with adverse results in any way?
I read your other post about proper hose use but really, do you know anyone that "flushes" their hose before using it?
I do.
And as far as studies are concerned, it is trivially easy to find a myriad of studies relating to the dangers of lead poisoning.
And you can also find plenty of studies about the amount of lead that can leech into hose water from unsafe hoses.
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
I do.
I no longer believe your claim that you are not overly protective. :P
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 17, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Given that people have been doing this for generations, is there any study that links hose use with adverse results in any way?
I read your other post about proper hose use but really, do you know anyone that "flushes" their hose before using it?
I do.
And as far as studies are concerned, it is trivially easy to find a myriad of studies relating to the dangers of lead poisoning.
And you can also find plenty of studies about the amount of lead that can leech into hose water from unsafe hoses.
How many documented cases are there, if any, in which someone has suffered from lead poisoning and the source of the lead has been water from hoses? I have doubts that there are any, but I could be wrong. On the other hand, while I don't have any link on the subject, I'm pretty sure there were many documented cases of children getting lead poisoning from eating paint chips with lead in them.
EDIT: I was always wary of drinking water from a hose, but that was because I worried about what kinds of bacteria and the like might be living in there, not because of lead.
Quote from: dps on April 17, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 17, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Given that people have been doing this for generations, is there any study that links hose use with adverse results in any way?
I read your other post about proper hose use but really, do you know anyone that "flushes" their hose before using it?
I do.
And as far as studies are concerned, it is trivially easy to find a myriad of studies relating to the dangers of lead poisoning.
And you can also find plenty of studies about the amount of lead that can leech into hose water from unsafe hoses.
How many documented cases are there, if any, in which someone has suffered from lead poisoning and the source of the lead has been water from hoses? I have doubts that there are any, but I could be wrong. On the other hand, while I don't have any link on the subject, I'm pretty sure there were many documented cases of children getting lead poisoning from eating paint chips with lead in them.
EDIT: I was always wary of drinking water from a hose, but that was because I worried about what kinds of bacteria and the like might be living in there, not because of lead.
:boggle:
So you understand that lead is dangerous, and you understand that lead can get into water in a hose, but you cannot believe that people drinking water out of hoses can get lead poisoning?
WTF?
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:22:47 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 15, 2009, 09:19:50 AM
Smoking.
Oh yeah - my mom smoked all the time, including when pregnant, and there were ashtrays in the hall in my junior school for convenience of teachers. :lol:
My high school had designated smoking areas for students.
also I went to the store from age 5 by myself (in the sticks walking down the main road) and buy smokes for my mom with a note. I would often take hours to do this as I stopped and dawdled in ponds, thickets and such. driving in the back of pickups was required. played outside from sun up to after sundown by ourselves every day all summer.
Quote from: dps on April 17, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
I do.
I no longer believe your claim that you are not overly protective. :P
Shrug. Keeping my kids from drinking lead doesn't strike me as particularly over-protective, especially when it is trivially easy to avoid. But I suppose people place different values on the health of their children. :P
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2009, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: dps on April 17, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
I do.
I no longer believe your claim that you are not overly protective. :P
Shrug. Keeping my kids from drinking lead doesn't strike me as particularly over-protective, especially when it is trivially easy to avoid. But I suppose people place different values on the health of their children. :P
I wouldn't have thought Berkut would be the one to make a 'think of the children' argument. Still, nobody is immune to panic over minor things.
Quote from: Neil on April 18, 2009, 09:18:06 AM
I wouldn't have thought Berkut would be the one to make a 'think of the children' argument. Still, nobody is immune to panic over minor things.
The "'think of the children' argument" would be to say that all hoses, except safe ones, should be banned. :contract:
Good thread idea Malthus. A few things off the top of my head:
--Back when I was very small (I guess under 5), I used to like to sit on the armrest in the car next to my father as we rode around town (it was the way I could see out the front windshield). This stopped when my father slammed on brakes to avoid hitting a dog that ran out in front of him; sending me into the dashboard. I wasn't hurt, probably because he probably only slammed on brakes from about 10-15 mph, but in a wreck I'm sure I would have been through the windshield.
--When I was around 8, I roamed the neighborhood unsupervised with the other neighborhood kids (this was in a suburban environment outside of a city). This may not have been smart, as we had many dumb ideas, such as parachuting from trees. We practiced on very low branches for a while using grocery bags as parachutes, theorizing they must be working as we weren't hurt from the 3 foot falls. Finally we decided to try a tall tree using a backpack loaded with a sheet. Luckily a neighborhood father was looking out the window as our test jumper climbed the tree or we might have been down a kid.
--A number of us got BB guns when we got older, which were predictably used to hunt birds. Considering that we weren't in the country, I'm not sure how we avoided shooting each other, a bystander, or a window. A kid in our neighborhood did get shot in the face with a BB gun in an intentional shooting, but both the shooter and shootee were people we didn't associate with.
--No one wore bicycle helmets, but this was probably a good thing for safety reasons as I'm sure if I wore one I would have gotten beat up at least once for it.
--And in probably the most reckless behavior of all, we drank water out of hoses.
The main problem with drinking water out of hoses when I was a kid, was the water was too hot. You had to let it run for a minute to wash out all the warm water in the hose. Which is lucky, as it also prevented me from dieing of lead poisoning.
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 17, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
Berkut, normally you would run the water for a while to let it get cold before drinking. Most of us wouldnt suck the stuck out. :D
True, although you are still risking elevated amounts of lead. It isn't like there is some ok amount of lead.
The other concern with standing water is using it to fill up a kiddie pool, for example. Not at all unusual to toss the hose into the pool before turning it on.
Why wouldn't you run a hose for a while before filling up a kiddie pool? Water in a hose that has been sitting out for a while is rancid.
I don't doubt that water out of a hose is less than ideal (I won't even drink tap water ordinarily), but I am sure it is safer than the average water sources our ancestors lived with for thousands of years.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 18, 2009, 01:06:45 PM
--And in probably the most reckless behavior of all, we drank water out of hoses.
:lmfao:
I was right on the cusp of the "safety boom". so we didn't get the fun stuff like lawn darts or those wood burnign kits. Wehn i was little (3-4?) my dad get pulled over and got a ticket because i was standing on the arm rest of the car with my head and arms out the sun roof. soon after pulling away i was doing it again :lol:
Oh, and i used to walk home from school from grade 2 to 6 (at which point i moved to a farm, making it more difficult to walk home :P ). it was about a 20 minute walk.
Quote from: PDH on April 17, 2009, 08:58:43 AM
Grumbler used to spar with the older legionnaires when the returned from campaigning against the Gauls - nobody cared about a young boy swinging around a gladius or throwing a practice pila.
By the time of the Gallic Wars I had my chariot license, and was cruising the streets with my homies, woofing the chicks.
...unless you meant Marius's campaign in Gallia Cisalpina against the Germans, in which case you are correct.
What about the garden José? Is he safe?
Quote from: The Brain on April 18, 2009, 02:47:18 PM
What about the garden José? Is he safe?
You can try to drink from him if you want...
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on April 18, 2009, 12:52:43 AM
driving in the back of pickups was required.
I thought Missouri was backwards!
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2009, 12:51:24 AM
Quote from: dps on April 17, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 17, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Given that people have been doing this for generations, is there any study that links hose use with adverse results in any way?
I read your other post about proper hose use but really, do you know anyone that "flushes" their hose before using it?
I do.
And as far as studies are concerned, it is trivially easy to find a myriad of studies relating to the dangers of lead poisoning.
And you can also find plenty of studies about the amount of lead that can leech into hose water from unsafe hoses.
How many documented cases are there, if any, in which someone has suffered from lead poisoning and the source of the lead has been water from hoses? I have doubts that there are any, but I could be wrong. On the other hand, while I don't have any link on the subject, I'm pretty sure there were many documented cases of children getting lead poisoning from eating paint chips with lead in them.
EDIT: I was always wary of drinking water from a hose, but that was because I worried about what kinds of bacteria and the like might be living in there, not because of lead.
:boggle:
So you understand that lead is dangerous, and you understand that lead can get into water in a hose, but you cannot believe that people drinking water out of hoses can get lead poisoning?
WTF?
There are probably trace amounts of lead (and worse) in everything that you've consumed today. My question was, has it ever been documated that anyone has actually drunk enough lead-contaminated water out of hoses to suffer any negative health consequences? I'm not saying that the answer is, "no", I'm just asking. And yes, I understand that lead poisoning is cumulative.
i live in downtown toronto. i think there's lead in my tap water :lol:
*happy Garbon? :p
Quote from: HVC on April 18, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
i live in downtown toronto. i think they're lead in my tap water :lol:
omg :x
Quote from: garbon on April 18, 2009, 06:22:29 PM
Quote from: HVC on April 18, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
i live in downtown toronto. i think they're lead in my tap water :lol:
omg :x
There was something in the news paper a while ago, but i don't recall if i'm in the "target" area.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: grumbler on April 18, 2009, 01:14:40 PM
Quote from: PDH on April 17, 2009, 08:58:43 AM
Grumbler used to spar with the older legionnaires when the returned from campaigning against the Gauls - nobody cared about a young boy swinging around a gladius or throwing a practice pila.
By the time of the Gallic Wars I had my chariot license, and was cruising the streets with my homies, woofing the chicks.
...unless you meant Marius's campaign in Gallia Cisalpina against the Germans, in which case you are correct.
Ah yes, those were the days of Glory!! Kids these days just don't appreciate things...
Quote from: alfred russel on April 18, 2009, 01:12:49 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 17, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
Berkut, normally you would run the water for a while to let it get cold before drinking. Most of us wouldnt suck the stuck out. :D
True, although you are still risking elevated amounts of lead. It isn't like there is some ok amount of lead.
The other concern with standing water is using it to fill up a kiddie pool, for example. Not at all unusual to toss the hose into the pool before turning it on.
Why wouldn't you run a hose for a while before filling up a kiddie pool? Water in a hose that has been sitting out for a while is rancid.
I don't doubt that water out of a hose is less than ideal (I won't even drink tap water ordinarily), but I am sure it is safer than the average water sources our ancestors lived with for thousands of years.
Indeed.
However, due to my over-protective nature, I am shooting for something a little better than than the 50% adolescent mortality rate enjoyed by our ancestors for thousands of years.
Quote from: dps on April 18, 2009, 06:01:42 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2009, 12:51:24 AM
Quote from: dps on April 17, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 17, 2009, 11:23:18 AM
Given that people have been doing this for generations, is there any study that links hose use with adverse results in any way?
I read your other post about proper hose use but really, do you know anyone that "flushes" their hose before using it?
I do.
And as far as studies are concerned, it is trivially easy to find a myriad of studies relating to the dangers of lead poisoning.
And you can also find plenty of studies about the amount of lead that can leech into hose water from unsafe hoses.
How many documented cases are there, if any, in which someone has suffered from lead poisoning and the source of the lead has been water from hoses? I have doubts that there are any, but I could be wrong. On the other hand, while I don't have any link on the subject, I'm pretty sure there were many documented cases of children getting lead poisoning from eating paint chips with lead in them.
EDIT: I was always wary of drinking water from a hose, but that was because I worried about what kinds of bacteria and the like might be living in there, not because of lead.
:boggle:
So you understand that lead is dangerous, and you understand that lead can get into water in a hose, but you cannot believe that people drinking water out of hoses can get lead poisoning?
WTF?
There are probably trace amounts of lead (and worse) in everything that you've consumed today. My question was, has it ever been documated that anyone has actually drunk enough lead-contaminated water out of hoses to suffer any negative health consequences? I'm not saying that the answer is, "no", I'm just asking. And yes, I understand that lead poisoning is cumulative.
Indeed, there is a lot of lead contamination out there.
Which is why it is a good idea to eliminate it where it is known.
Now, I am guessing that there are not many documented cases of lead poisoning where the obvious culprit was a garden hose - but why would there be? Lead poisoning is diagnosed long after the lead was ingested, if at all, and when it is, there is almost never some smoking gun, unless it is something REALLY obvious like peeling lead paint.
So it behooves us to simply remove sources of contamination, especially where it can be done cheaply and easily.
Every now and then these discussions of ours offer a minor revelation. I'd never heard or thought of drinking from a garden hose until I saw the discussion here, yet everyone in NA seems to have indulged :huh:
It also explains why alfred russel turned into the wild, swashbuckling, devil-may-care fellow he is today; as a child he was an actual garden-hose fiend :o
I felt the same way when I learned that Yuros vomit uncontrollably at the mere sight of a peanut butter jar.
I never vomit uncontrollably.
Quote from: garbon on April 18, 2009, 11:38:17 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 18, 2009, 09:18:06 AM
I wouldn't have thought Berkut would be the one to make a 'think of the children' argument. Still, nobody is immune to panic over minor things.
The "'think of the children' argument" would be to say that all hoses, except safe ones, should be banned. :contract:
Not at all. Vastly overstating a danger due to the potential risk to children is what a 'think of the children' argument is.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2009, 04:20:34 AM
I felt the same way when I learned that Yuros vomit uncontrollably at the mere sight of a peanut butter jar.
They...do?
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 19, 2009, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2009, 04:20:34 AM
I felt the same way when I learned that Yuros vomit uncontrollably at the mere sight of a peanut butter jar.
They...do?
I don't. Peanutbutter&nutella sandwich. :mmm:
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 19, 2009, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2009, 04:20:34 AM
I felt the same way when I learned that Yuros vomit uncontrollably at the mere sight of a peanut butter jar.
They...do?
When i was in Portugal it was almost impossible to find. and the ones you could find where the non-homogenised kind.
Quote from: Neil on April 19, 2009, 09:29:48 AM
Not at all. Vastly overstating a danger due to the potential risk to children is what a 'think of the children' argument is.
And then you take steps to try to actively ban said things for everyone. :contract:
Berkut not wanting his own kids to drink out of a hose is hardly problematic.
Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2009, 12:11:45 PM
And then you take steps to try to actively ban said things for everyone. :contract:
Nope.
Just thought of this, but back in the early 70s, the ad campaign for Fritos featured an animated character known as the Frito Bandito, who was a stereotypical old-timey Mexican bandit. No way a campaign like that could last long today--it would draw protests very quickly and get yanked.
Yes, burger king's recent campaign that had a squat mexican wearing the mexican flag pissed off mexicans.
Quote from: Malthus on April 15, 2009, 09:05:27 AM
- Also in the country, my dad would give us his .22 rifle, tell us to take turns and be careful, and send us out to shoot at tin cans - I was 10 or so.
You have actually fired a weapon?
Maybe there is hope after all for judenkind in North America.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2009, 04:20:34 AM
I felt the same way when I learned that Yuros vomit uncontrollably at the mere sight of a peanut butter jar.
I don't think I've ever seen a peanut butter jar.
Quote from: Siege on April 19, 2009, 08:51:18 PM
You have actually fired a weapon?
Maybe there is hope after all for judenkind in North America.
I took a class in pistol shooting in college. :)
For my undergraduate degree I went to a backwoods university. Each of our dorms had its own gun room where students could store their firearms when they weren't using them. The funny part is that didn't strike me as unusual at the time; only much later did I learn that most universities do not encourage students to bring firearms to school.
For my graduate degree I went urban college in Detroit. A gun room there would have been completely unnecessary since student kept their piece on them at all times.
Quote from: Iormlund on April 19, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a peanut butter jar.
You dodged a bullet.:cheers:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2009, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on April 19, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a peanut butter jar.
You dodged a bullet.:cheers:
I wanna know what happen to Apple Jelly, i can't find it anymore.
Quote from: Iormlund on April 19, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2009, 04:20:34 AM
I felt the same way when I learned that Yuros vomit uncontrollably at the mere sight of a peanut butter jar.
I don't think I've ever seen a peanut butter jar.
I can get it in my supermarket, have on at home, as a matter of fact.
Edit: Berkut, that lead in the hose water thingy sounds phony as hell.
Quote from: Syt on April 19, 2009, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 19, 2009, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2009, 04:20:34 AM
I felt the same way when I learned that Yuros vomit uncontrollably at the mere sight of a peanut butter jar.
They...do?
I don't. Peanutbutter&nutella sandwich. :mmm:
Both at the same time? Jesus Fucking Christ, you have no pity of yourself. :P
Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2009, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2009, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on April 19, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a peanut butter jar.
You dodged a bullet.:cheers:
I wanna know what happen to Apple Jelly, i can't find it anymore.
Make your own, dammit.
Quote from: Neil on April 19, 2009, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 18, 2009, 11:38:17 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 18, 2009, 09:18:06 AM
I wouldn't have thought Berkut would be the one to make a 'think of the children' argument. Still, nobody is immune to panic over minor things.
The "'think of the children' argument" would be to say that all hoses, except safe ones, should be banned. :contract:
Not at all. Vastly overstating a danger due to the potential risk to children is what a 'think of the children' argument is.
But nobody has vastly over-stated any danger.
Just noted that water sitting in an unsafe hose can contain very large amounts of lead, and that lead is rather unhealthy for children.
How is that "vastly over-stated"?
The funny thing about this lead argument is that it only came up because someone (charliebear? CC?) said something about how drinking from hoses was bad because of bacteria or stuff "in the system". I pointed out that the reason it is unsafe has nothing to do with that, but rather with the lead in the PVC hoses.
I wonder why it is "vastly over-stating" the danger and "panic" to avoid drinking water from hoses with lead, but perfectly reasonable to avoid drinking water from hoses for reasons that turn out to be completely false?
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 08:40:18 AMJust noted that water sitting in an unsafe hose can contain very large amounts of lead, and that lead is rather unhealthy for children.
I dispute that. Most probably there's way more lead in normal tap water coming from old piping than in a hose, and even that's not enough to cause widespread problems. Lead poisoning in children usually derives from them ingesting paint or soil which contain lead, not by drinking water.
Quote from a paper by the CDC:
QuoteLead can be found in high concentrations in three media to which children may be directly or indirectly exposed: paint, interior dust, and exterior soil or dust. (...) Lead in tap water, generally a lower dose source of exposure, is also addressed.
http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/CaseManagement/caseManage_chap2.htm#Sources (http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/CaseManagement/caseManage_chap2.htm#Sources)
You dispute that lead in hoses can contain unsafe amounts of lead?
So the studies that have shown that lead can leech into a hose are....what? Bogus? Made up by the hose manufacturers or something?
I would be willing to bet that the CDC would not agree with your assessment that because they mention the three most common ways for people to get high concentrations of lead, those are the only ways.
QuoteAccording to a May 2003 article from Consumer Reports, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) deemed safe levels of lead to be less than 15 parts per billion. Consumer Reports tested 16 of the most popular hoses sold nationwide, finding that many leached up to 100 times that amount at the initial flush of standing water.
http://www.msdh.state.ms.us/msdhsite/_static/41,0,176.html
QuoteWhere lead comes from
Children can be exposed to lead from lead-based paint, tap water that is delivered in lead pipes, batteries, and even old vinyl mini-blinds. Older homes, where lead-based materials are more common and paint may be peeling or chipping, can be especially risky to your child's health. Possible sources of lead are:
Lead-based paint Imported vinyl or plastic mini-blinds made before 1997
Soil and dust Keys
Tap water Batteries
Glazed pottery Imported canned foods
Some electrical cords Metal jewelry
Garden hoses Outside water faucets
I bought a new hoses this week-end.
The Label on it said that the state of California recommends that no one drinks from it. California is usually right.
Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2009, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2009, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on April 19, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a peanut butter jar.
You dodged a bullet.:cheers:
I wanna know what happen to Apple Jelly, i can't find it anymore.
Go to Cracker Barrel and order breakfast, sweetie. They have it on request. I had some recently, and it was quite tasty.
From Consumer Reports:
QuoteDare you drink from a garden hose?
WARNING A label like the one above signals that the hose contains lead.
We'd answer that question by saying it's OK to drink from a hose only if it's labeled safe or if you flush it first.
Otherwise, the water standing inside may contain worrisome amounts of lead and other chemicals that leach
from the hose itself. Many hoses are made of polyvinyl chloride, which uses lead as a stabilizer.
We tested 16 new hoses, brands sold at national chains and on the Internet. Four were labeled safe for
drinking; six had warning labels. The remaining six weren't labeled either way.
The four hoses labeled safe for drinking typically contained less lead in their construction than the others. In
our tests, those hoses leached minuscule amounts of lead into water that had been standing in the hose for 20
hours or more. We measured concentrations well below 15 parts per billion, the level in drinking water at which
the Environmental Protection Agency requires remedial action. In fact, tap water contained as much lead as
some samples. (The time the water stands in the hose, water temperature and acidity all affect the amount of
lead leaching.) Hoses containing the highest amounts of lead, only two of which carried a "do not drink" label,
leached 10 to 100 times allowable lead levels in the first draw of standing water.
However, even extremely low levels of lead may cause health problems. A recent study reported in The New
England Journal of Medicine suggests that lead levels in the blood even lower than the current definition of
toxicity may adversely affect a child's IQ.
The bottom line. When you buy a hose, choose one labeled safe for drinking. With any hose, flush it by letting
the water run for a minute or so before you drink.
I am rather amazed that anyone would make such a big deal over such an easily avoidable source of potential lead.
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 08:40:18 AM
The funny thing about this lead argument is that it only came up because someone (charliebear? CC?) said something about how drinking from hoses was bad because of bacteria or stuff "in the system". I pointed out that the reason it is unsafe has nothing to do with that, but rather with the lead in the PVC hoses.
It was me, and that's what we were told...back in the day. I can still hear the voices, "Don't drink from the hose. There's
worms in there."
What I think is funny is that I also mentioned I used to play in flood waters as a child, and no one here even raised an eyebrow.
Looking at dangers realistically, I'd say that the two really big childhood dangers are: 1. being hit by a car; and 2. Drowning. Having a backyard pool and young children is a definite problem.
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 09:03:25 AM
You dispute that lead in hoses can contain unsafe amounts of lead?
So the studies that have shown that lead can leech into a hose are....what? Bogus? Made up by the hose manufacturers or something?
I would be willing to bet that the CDC would not agree with your assessment that because they mention the three most common ways for people to get high concentrations of lead, those are the only ways.
I dispute that water from hoses poses a significant hazard from children. I don't dispute that it contains lead, that's probable and can come from a variety of sources (lead polluting the aquifers, plumbing, or even leeching from the hose itself), but I'd venture that it doesn't go beyond trace amounts that don't pose serious long term problems. Surely you can get some nastiness from it, but you'd need to drink gallons over a prolonged amount of time in order to develop some kind of problem. Health scares like that are not uncommon.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 19, 2009, 04:20:34 AM
I felt the same way when I learned that Yuros vomit uncontrollably at the mere sight of a peanut butter jar.
We do? :huh: I quite like peanut butter.
My list is quite similar to what other people wrote: playing outside unsupervised till nightfall etc.
The only original thing I can think of is reading Mein kampf at age 12. I'm a history buff and I read the book quite young to better understand WW2. Nowadays if a teacher saw me reading it I'd end up seeing a shrink or something. :D
Kevin
@ Mal
:yes: My parents had good friends in college whose toddler drowned in their pool. He was about 2 and wandered out the back door while nobody was looking. He wasn't out of their sight for more than about 10 minutes.
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2009, 09:25:41 AM
@ Mal
:yes: My parents had good friends in college whose toddler drowned in their pool. He was about 2 and wandered out the back door while nobody was looking. He wasn't out of their sight for more than about 10 minutes.
It's pretty common, sadly.
Our neighbours have a pool, and it is fenced off. I actually repaired their gate because it had a hole in it a kid could get through.
The trick is to get them to learn to swim early, I think, and never leave them unsupervised near water.
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2009, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: dps on April 17, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
I do.
I no longer believe your claim that you are not overly protective. :P
Shrug. Keeping my kids from drinking lead doesn't strike me as particularly over-protective, especially when it is trivially easy to avoid. But I suppose people place different values on the health of their children. :P
The I do part was your admission that you flush out your hose. You are likely the only person on the planet that does that. :P Either you are making that part up or you are freakishly overprotective.
Quote from: The Larch on April 20, 2009, 09:19:36 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 09:03:25 AM
You dispute that lead in hoses can contain unsafe amounts of lead?
So the studies that have shown that lead can leech into a hose are....what? Bogus? Made up by the hose manufacturers or something?
I would be willing to bet that the CDC would not agree with your assessment that because they mention the three most common ways for people to get high concentrations of lead, those are the only ways.
I dispute that water from hoses poses a significant hazard from children. I don't dispute that it contains lead, that's probable and can come from a variety of sources (lead polluting the aquifers, plumbing, or even leeching from the hose itself), but I'd venture that it doesn't go beyond trace amounts that don't pose serious long term problems. Surely you can get some nastiness from it, but you'd need to drink gallons over a prolonged amount of time in order to develop some kind of problem. Health scares like that are not uncommon.
The CDC disagrees with you.
10-100 times the safe levels is not "trace", by definition.
I agree that overall it is not likely a serious concern, since most people kids are not sitting around sucking down gallons of hose water. But it is a source of lead, and it is worth taking some simple precautions to avoid, like letting the water run out of the hose or simply replacing hoses with ones that do not contain lead.
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 08:40:18 AM
But nobody has vastly over-stated any danger.
Just noted that water sitting in an unsafe hose can contain very large amounts of lead, and that lead is rather unhealthy for children.
How is that "vastly over-stated"?
A little lead never hurt anyone. Depending on where you live, you have more to fear from lead tapwater than you do from the occasional drink from a hose.
QuoteThe funny thing about this lead argument is that it only came up because someone (charliebear? CC?) said something about how drinking from hoses was bad because of bacteria or stuff "in the system". I pointed out that the reason it is unsafe has nothing to do with that, but rather with the lead in the PVC hoses.
I wonder why it is "vastly over-stating" the danger and "panic" to avoid drinking water from hoses with lead, but perfectly reasonable to avoid drinking water from hoses for reasons that turn out to be completely false?
You bash that strawman! Bash it good!
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2009, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: dps on April 17, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
I do.
I no longer believe your claim that you are not overly protective. :P
Shrug. Keeping my kids from drinking lead doesn't strike me as particularly over-protective, especially when it is trivially easy to avoid. But I suppose people place different values on the health of their children. :P
The I do part was your admission that you flush out your hose. You are likely the only person on the planet that does that. :P Either you are making that part up or you are freakishly overprotective.
I am pretty sure I am not the only person on the planet that does that, and anyone that would allow their children to drink standing water out of a hose that they KNOW contains more than trace amounts of lead is an idiot.
I suspect most people simply do not know - hence the warning labels on hoses. I find it rather odd that you would appear to be arguing that anyone who abides by those labels is "freakishly over-protective".
Quote from: Neil on April 20, 2009, 09:55:15 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 08:40:18 AM
But nobody has vastly over-stated any danger.
Just noted that water sitting in an unsafe hose can contain very large amounts of lead, and that lead is rather unhealthy for children.
How is that "vastly over-stated"?
A little lead never hurt anyone. Depending on where you live, you have more to fear from lead tapwater than you do from the occasional drink from a hose.
If a "little lead" never hurt anyone, why worry about it at all.
Here Johnny, have a paint chip. Tastes yummy!
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 09:57:02 AM
I suspect most people simply do not know - hence the warning labels on hoses. I find it rather odd that you would appear to be arguing that anyone who abides by those labels is "freakishly over-protective".
Make up more things that I didnt say. You will eventually come up with a fine argument. You seriously flush out your hose. :lmfao:
How does it feel to realise that you're a soccer mom, Berkut?
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 20, 2009, 10:00:11 AM
How does it feel to realise that you're a soccer mom, Berkut?
Grand. Watching CC and friends play the roll of ultra-conservative grumpy old men is very amusing.
It's quite a surprise from my point of view.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 09:57:02 AM
I suspect most people simply do not know - hence the warning labels on hoses. I find it rather odd that you would appear to be arguing that anyone who abides by those labels is "freakishly over-protective".
Make up more things that I didnt say. You will eventually come up with a fine argument. You seriously flush out your hose. :lmfao:
So let me see if I have this straight. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
You are sitting there on your deck enjooyng a cold one, and the little kids are running about playing in the yard. Suddenly one of your kids says "Gee dad, I sure am thirsty - can you turn that hose on for me?" while holding the business end up to take a drink.
Now, from this thread, you know that the water that has been sitting in that hose for the last 4 days in the hot sun contains somewhere between ten and one hundred times the amount of lead the EPA says is safe for a child to drink. You know this for a fact - the hose is made of PVC, it is not lead safe, and in fact there is even a warning label right on it that says so.
You are going to go over and turn on the hose and let your kid drink from it, because you are so certain that there has never been a case of lead poisoning from hose water.
Rather than saying "Hey Johnny, why don't you run into the house and get some water, and grab me another beer while you are at it..." or "OK Johnny, but hang on a second and let the water turn cold before you drink it..."?
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 10:06:43 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 20, 2009, 10:00:11 AM
How does it feel to realise that you're a soccer mom, Berkut?
Grand. Watching CC and friends play the roll of ultra-conservative grumpy old men is very amusing.
:lol:
You are the one that says he flushes out his backyard hose because some warning label I have never seen tells him to do it.
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 09:58:07 AM
If a "little lead" never hurt anyone, why worry about it at all.
Because that's the sort of mentality that only a teenager could have.
QuoteHere Johnny, have a paint chip. Tastes yummy!
Why would anyone eat a paint chip?
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 10:10:50 AM
So let me see if I have this straight. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
You are sitting there on your deck enjooyng a cold one, and the little kids are running about playing in the yard. Suddenly one of your kids says "Gee dad, I sure am thirsty - can you turn that hose on for me?" while holding the business end up to take a drink.
I am pretty sure my kids are capable of turning the hose on themselves. I am not so overly protective that I have kept that knowledge from them so that they dont poison themselves :P
QuoteNow, from this thread, you know that the water that has been sitting in that hose for the last 4 days in the hot sun contains somewhere between ten and one hundred times the amount of lead the EPA says is safe for a child to drink. You know this for a fact - the hose is made of PVC, it is not lead safe, and in fact there is even a warning label right on it that says so.
Haven't seen the warning lable - probably only that US that sells such dangerous hoses. But for the purposes of your example I will assume it is there.
QuoteRather than saying "Hey Johnny, why don't you run into the house and get some water, and grab me another beer while you are at it..." or "OK Johnny, but hang on a second and let the water turn cold before you drink it..."?
Would never happen. My kids are much better trained then that. They instinctively know when dad needs another beer and will make the trip to the beer fridge without me having to ask. But again for the purposes of your example I will assume that this happened.
Why do you insist on assuming that kids are not smart enough to let the hose run. Your example assumes the hose has been baking in the sun for 4 days unused (something that would never happen around our house btw since all the plants are watered at least once a day and twice a day when it gets really hot). But again lets assume that your fact pattern is true. The kids will run the hose to get the water cold in any event. The water will be very hot for the first while in your example.
I am pretty sure that the few times a kid or me drinks out the hose is harmless and that a whole range of activities we let kids do (like drink water out of platic containers) is a lot more harmful. Which is why I asked you a long while back if there is any (even one case) evidence of harm from drinking from a hose.
If someone were to drink out of a hose every day for years there would likely be some damage since this sort of thing is cummulative but your attitude in this thread (complete with your claim that you actually flush out your garden hose) is either fabricated because you find it amusing to take this position or you are as GF put it a soccer mom and on the extreme edge of that group.
Quote from: Neil on April 20, 2009, 10:21:12 AM
Why would anyone eat a paint chip?
If there wasnt a warning label on it chances are good people would do it. Apparently warning labels govern all behavior.
Quote from: Neil on April 20, 2009, 10:21:12 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 09:58:07 AM
If a "little lead" never hurt anyone, why worry about it at all.
Because that's the sort of mentality that only a teenager could have.
QuoteHere Johnny, have a paint chip. Tastes yummy!
Why would anyone eat a paint chip?
Because supposedly the lead in them makes them taste sweet.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 10:24:03 AM
If someone were to drink out of a hose every day for years there would likely be some damage since this sort of thing is cummulative but your attitude in this thread (complete with your claim that you actually flush out your garden hose) is either fabricated because you find it amusing to take this position or you are as GF put it a soccer mom and on the extreme edge of that group.
So the answer to my question is that in fact you do flush out the hose, or that it is flushed out anyway?
I love how you come up with all these reason why you don't need to flush out the house - but none of them are because you simply do not think that flushing out the hose is ever necessary. Rather you argue that in fact you do not flush it out because it is already flushed out!
So in the end you agree with me, and are, apparently, just as "freakishly over-protective" as I am.
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 09:54:54 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 20, 2009, 09:19:36 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 09:03:25 AM
You dispute that lead in hoses can contain unsafe amounts of lead?
So the studies that have shown that lead can leech into a hose are....what? Bogus? Made up by the hose manufacturers or something?
I would be willing to bet that the CDC would not agree with your assessment that because they mention the three most common ways for people to get high concentrations of lead, those are the only ways.
I dispute that water from hoses poses a significant hazard from children. I don't dispute that it contains lead, that's probable and can come from a variety of sources (lead polluting the aquifers, plumbing, or even leeching from the hose itself), but I'd venture that it doesn't go beyond trace amounts that don't pose serious long term problems. Surely you can get some nastiness from it, but you'd need to drink gallons over a prolonged amount of time in order to develop some kind of problem. Health scares like that are not uncommon.
The CDC disagrees with you.
10-100 times the safe levels is not "trace", by definition.
I agree that overall it is not likely a serious concern, since most people kids are not sitting around sucking down gallons of hose water. But it is a source of lead, and it is worth taking some simple precautions to avoid, like letting the water run out of the hose or simply replacing hoses with ones that do not contain lead.
The 10-100 times the safe levels mention doesn't come from the CDC but by the consumer group you quote, and only refers to the initial draw of water in a few of the analized models. So I stand by my afirmation that it's not a serious concern, as you also state. If you're worried about little children ingesting lead, tap water seems to be a more serious concern.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 10:24:03 AMor you are as GF put it a soccer mom and on the extreme edge of that group.
The freakishly protective mom wouldn't let her children drink from a garden hose. :mellow:
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 10:59:58 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 10:24:03 AMor you are as GF put it a soccer mom and on the extreme edge of that group.
The freakishly protective mom wouldn't let her children drink from a garden hose. :mellow:
You are as bad as Berkut. Only you are closer in temperament to being a mom.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 11:07:16 AM
You are as bad as Berkut. Only you are closer in temperament to being a mom.
How so?
Like I said, I don't see a problem if Berkut has the hose run before letting his kids drink from it. You've said yourself that your kids would likely/in fact do that.
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 11:09:04 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 11:07:16 AM
You are as bad as Berkut. Only you are closer in temperament to being a mom.
How so?
Like I said, I don't see a problem if Berkut has the hose run before letting his kids drink from it. You've said yourself that your kids would likely/in fact do that.
According to the warning he posted earlier "flushing" is different then simply letting the hose run, which it also says you should do. Which is why I am bugging him about that. But thanks for joining the thread.
I've been in the thread for a while, but thanks for being a cunt.
Aw c'mon, folks.
It's a new forum, can't we at least pretend to be civil for a few more days?
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:28:46 AM
Aw c'mon, folks.
It's a new forum, can't we at least pretend to be civil for a few more days?
And kill Languish.
How's this, then. You "Lead Hose Conspiracists" take your cigars and brandy and adjourn to the smoking room and discuss like gentlemen.
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 11:27:29 AM
I've been in the thread for a while,
It's too bad that your bitchiness has become like white noise. :(
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 11:27:29 AM
I've been in the thread for a while
Sorry, didnt notice.
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:35:34 AM
How's this, then. You "Lead Hose Conspiracists" take your cigars and brandy and adjourn to the smoking room and discuss like gentlemen.
This is how we talk in the smoking room too.
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:35:34 AM
How's this, then. You "Lead Hose Conspiracists" take your cigars and brandy and adjourn to the smoking room and discuss like gentlemen.
How about you go back in the kitchen where you belong and fix everybody a sandwich?
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 11:39:51 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:35:34 AM
How's this, then. You "Lead Hose Conspiracists" take your cigars and brandy and adjourn to the smoking room and discuss like gentlemen.
This is how we talk in the smoking room too.
:pinchL
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 20, 2009, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 20, 2009, 11:35:34 AM
How's this, then. You "Lead Hose Conspiracists" take your cigars and brandy and adjourn to the smoking room and discuss like gentlemen.
How about you go back in the kitchen where you belong and fix everybody a sandwich?
Peanut butter or Nutella?
Quote from: Neil on April 20, 2009, 11:35:51 AM
It's too bad that your bitchiness has become like white noise. :(
And yet I'm not the one whining about Berkut's parenting.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 11:09:04 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 11:07:16 AM
You are as bad as Berkut. Only you are closer in temperament to being a mom.
How so?
Like I said, I don't see a problem if Berkut has the hose run before letting his kids drink from it. You've said yourself that your kids would likely/in fact do that.
According to the warning he posted earlier "flushing" is different then simply letting the hose run, which it also says you should do. Which is why I am bugging him about that. But thanks for joining the thread.
No, flushing is exactly wht the word means - letting the water in the hose run out before using it to drink from.
Which is why I found it odd that you would claim that this was some kind of hysterical over-protection while stating that your kids are smart enough to do the exact same thing.
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 12:57:19 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 11:09:04 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 11:07:16 AM
You are as bad as Berkut. Only you are closer in temperament to being a mom.
How so?
Like I said, I don't see a problem if Berkut has the hose run before letting his kids drink from it. You've said yourself that your kids would likely/in fact do that.
According to the warning he posted earlier "flushing" is different then simply letting the hose run, which it also says you should do. Which is why I am bugging him about that. But thanks for joining the thread.
No, flushing is exactly wht the word means - letting the water in the hose run out before using it to drink from.
Which is why I found it odd that you would claim that this was some kind of hysterical over-protection while stating that your kids are smart enough to do the exact same thing.
Well, he's saying that the kids do it to get to the cold water while you're saying that you do it because of lead contamination. But, yeah, you're right--while the motives may be different, the action is the same.
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 12:57:19 PM
No, flushing is exactly wht the word means - letting the water in the hose run out before using it to drink from.
Which is why I found it odd that you would claim that this was some kind of hysterical over-protection while stating that your kids are smart enough to do the exact same thing.
So, CC, this is about where you can kneel down and suck it.
Quote from: garbon on April 20, 2009, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 12:57:19 PM
No, flushing is exactly wht the word means - letting the water in the hose run out before using it to drink from.
Which is why I found it odd that you would claim that this was some kind of hysterical over-protection while stating that your kids are smart enough to do the exact same thing.
So, CC, this is about where you can kneel down and suck it.
Flusing it first of course. :P
Anyway, you guys always make me chuckle (when I'm not being one of you :lol:)
Quote from: Malthus on April 20, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
Flusing it first of course. :P
While enemas are useful, I think that's beyond the scope of this exercise. :unsure:
Quote from: Malthus on April 20, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
Anyway, you guys always make me chuckle (when I'm not being one of you :lol:)
You need to jump in at some point with another topic. I think I have baited Berkut about as much as humanly possible on the present line.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 20, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
Anyway, you guys always make me chuckle (when I'm not being one of you :lol:)
You need to jump in at some point with another topic. I think I have baited Berkut about as much as humanly possible on the present line.
Just about the weakest possible "I got my ass kicked" response there is.
"Haha, I was just trolling all along!" is only slightly more lame than "ZOMG! You guys cannot take joke!"
I want my goddamn sandwich. Damned lazy women.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 20, 2009, 02:23:46 PM
I want my goddamn sandwich. Damned lazy women.
Do socks have hands?
Quote from: Berkut on April 20, 2009, 02:20:07 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 20, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
Anyway, you guys always make me chuckle (when I'm not being one of you :lol:)
You need to jump in at some point with another topic. I think I have baited Berkut about as much as humanly possible on the present line.
Just about the weakest possible "I got my ass kicked" response there is.
"Haha, I was just trolling all along!" is only slightly more lame than "ZOMG! You guys cannot take joke!"
Go flush your hose. Your kids might be sucking out the water as we speak.
I feel bad for Berkut's kids.
@charliebear No such thing as a cracker barrel within o a couple thousand miles, but thanks for suggestion
Not surprised that mr tough guy berkut coddles his kids :p
and finally i drank from hoses all the time as a kid and look how i turned out!
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 03:43:50 PM
and finally i drank from hoses all the time as a kid and look how i turned out!
I don't think you can
catch being Hispanic from that. :P
Quote from: Malthus on April 20, 2009, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 03:43:50 PM
and finally i drank from hoses all the time as a kid and look how i turned out!
I don't think you can catch being Hispanic from that. :P
I am not hispanic you white oppressor!
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2009, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: dps on April 17, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
I do.
I no longer believe your claim that you are not overly protective. :P
Shrug. Keeping my kids from drinking lead doesn't strike me as particularly over-protective, especially when it is trivially easy to avoid. But I suppose people place different values on the health of their children. :P
The I do part was your admission that you flush out your hose. You are likely the only person on the planet that does that. :P Either you are making that part up or you are freakishly overprotective.
THe water is gonna be hot and rank, I never imagined that anyone wouldn't flush a hose before drinking from it.
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 03:53:52 PM
I am not hispanic you white oppressor!
Didn't drink enough hose-water? :D
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 20, 2009, 04:03:02 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2009, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: dps on April 17, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 17, 2009, 12:35:11 PM
I do.
I no longer believe your claim that you are not overly protective. :P
Shrug. Keeping my kids from drinking lead doesn't strike me as particularly over-protective, especially when it is trivially easy to avoid. But I suppose people place different values on the health of their children. :P
The I do part was your admission that you flush out your hose. You are likely the only person on the planet that does that. :P Either you are making that part up or you are freakishly overprotective.
THe water is gonna be hot and rank, I never imagined that anyone wouldn't flush a hose before drinking from it.
BTW, I'm not the one who posted the line about, "I no longer believe your claim that you are not overly protective." Once again, the post quoting function on this forum fails. :(
Quote from: dps on April 20, 2009, 05:28:35 PM
BTW, I'm not the one who posted the line about, "I no longer believe your claim that you are not overly protective." Once again, the post quoting function on this forum fails. :(
nah it works fine, unless you are an assclown like timmay.
Quote from: Malthus on April 20, 2009, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 03:53:52 PM
I am not hispanic you white oppressor!
Didn't drink enough hose-water? :D
He didnt suck it out before letting the water run cold as apparently happens so often in some States that there are actually warnings about not doing that.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 20, 2009, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 20, 2009, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 20, 2009, 03:53:52 PM
I am not hispanic you white oppressor!
Didn't drink enough hose-water? :D
He didnt suck it out before letting the water run cold as apparently happens so often in some States that there are actually warnings about not doing that.
Pfft it is only common sense to flush it out till water is cold. :rolleyes:
So what's the verdict? Who's the hoser? CC or Berkut?
Quote from: Jacob on April 20, 2009, 07:19:29 PM
So what's the verdict? Who's the hoser? CC or Berkut?
Charliebear for not fixing me a sandwich.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 20, 2009, 07:21:04 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 20, 2009, 07:19:29 PM
So what's the verdict? Who's the hoser? CC or Berkut?
Charliebear for not fixing me a sandwich.
Ask your child bride or one of the kids.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=38467
QuoteOne bar scene features "space" drinking, smoking, and shady characters, resulting in the loss of one character's limb and the shooting death of another. Two supporting characters are killed fairly early on and shown as ash-like figures; a main character dies later. There are plenty of laser blasts and swordplay with lightsabers, although this entry is the tamest of the series.
har.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 21, 2009, 08:07:52 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=38467
QuoteOne bar scene features "space" drinking, smoking, and shady characters, resulting in the loss of one character's limb and the shooting death of another. Two supporting characters are killed fairly early on and shown as ash-like figures; a main character dies later. There are plenty of laser blasts and swordplay with lightsabers, although this entry is the tamest of the series.
har.
Well, now we know that Berkut's RL name is: Amy Graff.
I was reading her blog, since Fark linked to it, and she isn't washing her hair for a month.
Ewwww.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 21, 2009, 08:21:02 AM
I was reading her blog, since Fark linked to it, and she isn't washing her hair for a month.
Ewwww.
Why? Crazy bitch hates Star Wars and hates hygiene. I advise the husband to run.
She's going to turn her hair into dredz?
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 21, 2009, 08:07:52 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=38467
QuoteOne bar scene features "space" drinking, smoking, and shady characters, resulting in the loss of one character's limb and the shooting death of another. Two supporting characters are killed fairly early on and shown as ash-like figures; a main character dies later. There are plenty of laser blasts and swordplay with lightsabers, although this entry is the tamest of the series.
har.
Where the fuck do you find this stuff? Are you a regular reader of the
Mommy Files? :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on April 21, 2009, 08:27:07 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 21, 2009, 08:07:52 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=38467
QuoteOne bar scene features "space" drinking, smoking, and shady characters, resulting in the loss of one character's limb and the shooting death of another. Two supporting characters are killed fairly early on and shown as ash-like figures; a main character dies later. There are plenty of laser blasts and swordplay with lightsabers, although this entry is the tamest of the series.
har.
Where the fuck do you find this stuff? Are you a regular reader of the Mommy Files? :lol:
Fark.com. For all your insane news needs.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 21, 2009, 08:25:05 AM
She's going to turn her hair into dredz?
I remember when I was about 16 or so that it became en vogue for girls to get lots of tiny braids in their hair, for about 6 months. Some girls that had been hot became not in a hurry.
I remember that.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 21, 2009, 08:28:00 AM
Fark.com. For all your insane news needs.
Heh, but then I have the good folks at Languish select the best of the best for our reading pleasure. :D
Anyway, on topic - I'll admit it is a bit difficult to decide what is right for the kid to watch, but so far, our kid does a pretty good job of choosing for himself - his latest obsession is the
Tintin series.
I only hope that when he grows into a teenager he doesn't decide to go and live with a drunken middle-aged sea captain. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on April 21, 2009, 08:34:40 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 21, 2009, 08:28:00 AM
Fark.com. For all your insane news needs.
Heh, but then I have the good folks at Languish select the best of the best for our reading pleasure. :D
Anyway, on topic - I'll admit it is a bit difficult to decide what is right for the kid to watch, but so far, our kid does a pretty good job of choosing for himself - his latest obsession is the Tintin series.
I only hope that when he grows into a teenager he doesn't decide to go and live with a drunken middle-aged sea captain. :lol:
I'm going with a mix of Nick Jr. (Blues Clues, etc.) and Loony Toons.
None of that multicultural crap on Disney though. They got one teaching kids Chinese phrases. OVER MY DEAD BODY THEY WILL. :mad:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 21, 2009, 08:07:52 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=38467
QuoteOne bar scene features "space" drinking, smoking, and shady characters, resulting in the loss of one character's limb and the shooting death of another. Two supporting characters are killed fairly early on and shown as ash-like figures; a main character dies later. There are plenty of laser blasts and swordplay with lightsabers, although this entry is the tamest of the series.
har.
SPACE DRINKING!?!?
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Dude, an M4 without rails for mounting peripherals (picatilly rails), without an ACOG (Advanced Combat Optic Gunsight), Tac-light, Peq-2 infrared targeting laser, forward pistol grip, and detachable bipod, seems soooo primitive to me these days....
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 20, 2009, 07:21:04 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 20, 2009, 07:19:29 PM
So what's the verdict? Who's the hoser? CC or Berkut?
Charliebear for not fixing me a sandwich.
I did get a sandwhich press for Christmas which makes awesome sandwhiches. It'll take a while to heat up though. Just let me plug it in, and I'll get back to you.
Back on topic...
We didn't have plastic guards on the chains of swings when I was a kid. We held right on to the chain links while on a swing. Many is the time where I had my finger pinched while jumping off. Always the middle finger, right in the middle on the underside.
Kids today are too soft. We're protecting them too much.
Quote from: Siege on April 21, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
Dude, an M4 without rails for mounting peripherals (picatilly rails), without an ACOG (Advanced Combat Optic Gunsight), Tac-light, Peq-2 infrared targeting laser, forward pistol grip, and detachable bipod, seems soooo primitive to me these days....
That's the difference between you and him.
He is a delicate man with a primitive tool.
You are a primitive tool... with a delicate tool :p
Kevin
Quote from: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:34:41 AM
We didn't have plastic guards on the chains of swings when I was a kid. We held right on to the chain links while on a swing. Many is the time where I had my finger pinched while jumping off. Always the middle finger, right in the middle on the underside.
How did you manage to do that? We had naked chains, and I never pinched myself.
Maybe Detroit bought special Child-Pincher chains, in order to make their children crazy and mistrustful, and start Detroit down the path to self-destruction.
Yep. The suburbs were "mean city" back in the day.
I thought this might be of interest.
QuoteEven low lead levels may be harmful to children
Study: Tiny amounts tied to drop in hormone that regulates blood pressure
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30369674/
Quote from: Neil on April 23, 2009, 10:17:52 AM
Quote from: charliebear on April 23, 2009, 09:34:41 AM
We didn't have plastic guards on the chains of swings when I was a kid. We held right on to the chain links while on a swing. Many is the time where I had my finger pinched while jumping off. Always the middle finger, right in the middle on the underside.
How did you manage to do that? We had naked chains, and I never pinched myself.
Maybe Detroit bought special Child-Pincher chains, in order to make their children crazy and mistrustful, and start Detroit down the path to self-destruction.
...also a result of drinking water from the garden hose.