Star Wars Rogue One MASSIVE SPOILERS BY BERKUT

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merithyn

Quote from: Solmyr on January 05, 2017, 06:12:12 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 04, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
For movies that are telling the story of people lives, rather than just some slice of it, the lack of a romantic interest of some kind would simply be bizarre. Are they eunuchs are something?

How does lack of romantic feelings equate to being an eunuch? Some people are aromantic, you know. Or just are not attracted to whoever they meet.

Or the situation is so intense that romance is the last thing on their mind... like when they're trying to save the world and all that.
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viper37

Quote from: merithyn on January 05, 2017, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 05, 2017, 06:12:12 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 04, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
For movies that are telling the story of people lives, rather than just some slice of it, the lack of a romantic interest of some kind would simply be bizarre. Are they eunuchs are something?

How does lack of romantic feelings equate to being an eunuch? Some people are aromantic, you know. Or just are not attracted to whoever they meet.

Or the situation is so intense that romance is the last thing on their mind... like when they're trying to save the world and all that.
in the case of Rogue One, I interpreted it as "we're fucked anyway, there's no escape, so let's accept our faith".
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Quote from: viper37 on January 05, 2017, 08:55:16 AM
Quote from: merithyn on January 05, 2017, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 05, 2017, 06:12:12 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 04, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
For movies that are telling the story of people lives, rather than just some slice of it, the lack of a romantic interest of some kind would simply be bizarre. Are they eunuchs are something?

How does lack of romantic feelings equate to being an eunuch? Some people are aromantic, you know. Or just are not attracted to whoever they meet.

Or the situation is so intense that romance is the last thing on their mind... like when they're trying to save the world and all that.
in the case of Rogue One, I interpreted it as "we're fucked anyway, there's no escape, so let's accept our faith".

Exactly.

Berkut

Quote from: merithyn on January 05, 2017, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 05, 2017, 06:12:12 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 04, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
For movies that are telling the story of people lives, rather than just some slice of it, the lack of a romantic interest of some kind would simply be bizarre. Are they eunuchs are something?

How does lack of romantic feelings equate to being an eunuch? Some people are aromantic, you know. Or just are not attracted to whoever they meet.

Or the situation is so intense that romance is the last thing on their mind... like when they're trying to save the world and all that.

You guys are ignoring what I posted.

Episodes 4-6 and 1-3 both covered literally years of the protagonists lives, and largely from the time they were adolescents into adulthood.

It would be odd if in the span of those stories, the protagonists were never romantically involved or interested in someone else.

Yes, it is entirely possible that they are part of the very small minority population who lacks romantic interest, or that they never meet anyone they are interested in...but that would be unusual, and a story in and of itself.

Romance is part of the human experience for the vast majority of humans. Finding issue with the fact that stories that are in fact about humans growing up and becoming adults including their romantic interests just doesn't make any sense.
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Berkut

Quote from: viper37 on January 05, 2017, 08:55:16 AM
Quote from: merithyn on January 05, 2017, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on January 05, 2017, 06:12:12 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 04, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
For movies that are telling the story of people lives, rather than just some slice of it, the lack of a romantic interest of some kind would simply be bizarre. Are they eunuchs are something?

How does lack of romantic feelings equate to being an eunuch? Some people are aromantic, you know. Or just are not attracted to whoever they meet.

Or the situation is so intense that romance is the last thing on their mind... like when they're trying to save the world and all that.
in the case of Rogue One, I interpreted it as "we're fucked anyway, there's no escape, so let's accept our faith".

I was pretty content to let their "googly eyes" not really mean anything particularly discenible to the viewer at all. They are about to die, they know it, and there is one other human being there for them to share their last moments with...what emotions they might be feeling at that moment are pretty damn intense and who knows how they would feel?

I imagine that what they would feel, at the very least, is an intense closeness with that person, especially given the experience they just went through. There could be zero meaningful romantic intent in their "googly eyes" at all, just an intense feeling of closeness and shared emotional intensity.

Or it could be romantic, if you are looking for some romance to be offended by...I guess. Or if you are looking for romance to be inspired by, for that matter.
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derspiess

As a native of Appalachia I am offended by the lack of rednecks in the Star Wars series.
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Barrister

Quote from: derspiess on January 05, 2017, 10:28:09 AM
As a native of Appalachia I am offended by the lack of rednecks in the Star Wars series.

How is Luke anything but a redneck?

All he wants to do is get away from his uncle's farm and hang out at Toshi Station with his buddies.  Plus all the womp rat hunting.
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Yeah I was about to say. The series is very moisture farming centric  :P
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Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2017, 10:31:34 AM
Quote from: derspiess on January 05, 2017, 10:28:09 AM
As a native of Appalachia I am offended by the lack of rednecks in the Star Wars series.

How is Luke anything but a redneck?

All he wants to do is get away from his uncle's farm and hang out at Toshi Station with his buddies.  Plus all the womp rat hunting.

He wants to fuck his sister, too.

Valmy

Quote from: Solmyr on January 05, 2017, 06:10:02 AM

Maybe they'll just go with Poe/Finn romantic arc. :D

Sounds good. I will be glad somebody is getting it on. All this celibacy is driving me nuts.

QuoteOr the situation is so intense that romance is the last thing on their mind... like when they're trying to save the world and all that.

Actually in those kinds of situations people form very intense bonds with each other. Not like it matters. Realism should always be trumped by entertainment in the Star Wars universe.
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merithyn

Quote from: Berkut on January 05, 2017, 09:09:12 AM

Or it could be romantic, if you are looking for some romance to be offended by...I guess. Or if you are looking for romance to be inspired by, for that matter.

You're applying offense when none was taken. I said that I didn't like that bit in the movie. I explained why I didn't like that bit in the movie. I thought it was contrived and unnecessary. I'm not offended by it. I just didn't like it.

Everyone here knows - and agrees - that it isn't difficult to find a movie where the main hero is a guy and he doesn't have a love interest in it. I can name a dozen off the top of my head. As such, I don't understand why it's a big deal for me to say, "Gee, I'd sure like more of those types of movies where the main hero is a woman and she doesn't have a love interest in it." I'm saying that I enjoy those movies, and it would be nice to see more of them. I'm a little annoyed when a movie with the potential to be that is contrived to include a romance that isn't necessary.

Why that bothers you is beyond me.
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merithyn

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Quote from: Valmy on January 05, 2017, 10:36:57 AM
Actually in those kinds of situations people form very intense bonds with each other. Not like it matters. Realism should always be trumped by entertainment in the Star Wars universe.

Yeah, and I can assure you that whatever "very intense bonds" I would have in that situation isn't going to involve ripping my shirt off and fucking some guy. No way my head - or anything else - would go in that direction.

Edit: Actually, this may be part of the communication issue right here. It's men who write these things, and they write women as they want them to be, not how we are. In general, that's not really how women are wired. We don't immediately jump to the thought, "Well, we may as well have sex since we're going to die anyway." And this may be why those scenes are so fucking annoying to me, and most other women I know.
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I met a man who wasn't there
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Quote from: merithyn on January 05, 2017, 11:12:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 05, 2017, 10:36:57 AM
Actually in those kinds of situations people form very intense bonds with each other. Not like it matters. Realism should always be trumped by entertainment in the Star Wars universe.

Yeah, and I can assure you that whatever "very intense bonds" I would have in that situation isn't going to involve ripping my shirt off and fucking some guy. No way my head - or anything else - would go in that direction.

Cool thing that didn't happen in the movie then right?

Valmy

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Quote from: merithyn on January 05, 2017, 11:12:03 AM
Yeah, and I can assure you that whatever "very intense bonds" I would have in that situation isn't going to involve ripping my shirt off and fucking some guy. No way my head - or anything else - would go in that direction.

Reality suggests otherwise. STDs broke out in military camps for a reason.

But in any case I was not talking about Star Wars breaking out into a Porno so I don't see the relevance.

QuoteEdit: Actually, this may be part of the communication issue right here. It's men who write these things, and they write women as they want them to be, not how we are. In general, that's not really how women are wired. We don't immediately jump to the thought, "Well, we may as well have sex since we're going to die anyway." And this may be why those scenes are so fucking annoying to me, and most other women I know.

I don't recall the big 'let's fuck' scene between Han and Leia either.

I do not think wanting a little romance in my movies is some kind of sexist stance.
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