#Gamergate goes off the deep end

[CountDeMoney]

Ugh, John Scalzi. What a fruitcake.

Why is Fred Brennan wearing a bib and a onesie?

[Jacob]

Taking into account that I consider one's gender to be immutably set at birth, would I consider a trans woman to be a man or a woman?  The language that all these people use with their 'cis' and their 'POC' escapes me.

If you want to respect their identity, you consider them a woman.

If you want to make the point that you think they're full of shit and ridiculous, you consider them a man.

[derspiess]

Odd. I'd not heard any numbers on either side. I know that there are some women pro-#gamergate, though I've only seen the names of less than a handful. It seems disingenuous to say there are a "large number" of them, however.

Sorry I don't have an exact figure.  Just going by what I noticed.  I suppose I should say relatively large numbers of women support #gamergate, given that it's supposedly an anti-woman movement.  There is undoubtedly an anti-woman element of #gamergate, but by and large I don't see the "movement" or whatever as being anti-woman.  Unless maybe opposing a radical feminist agenda makes one anti-woman.

[Jacob]

Sorry I don't have an exact figure.  Just going by what I noticed.  I suppose I should say relatively large numbers of women support #gamergate, given that it's supposedly an anti-woman movement.  There is undoubtedly an anti-woman element of #gamergate, but by and large I don't see the "movement" or whatever as being anti-woman.  Unless maybe opposing a radical feminist agenda makes one anti-woman.

Is that what #gamergate is? Opposing a radical feminist agenda?

[derspiess]

Is that what #gamergate is? Opposing a radical feminist agenda?

Seems to be part of it.  It's an anti-establishment movement, and the Feminazi/SJW types seem to be part of the establishment, as it were.

[Jacob]

Is that what #gamergate is? Opposing a radical feminist agenda?

Seems to be part of it.  It's an anti-establishment movement, and the Feminazi/SJW types seem to be part of the establishment, as it were.

I suppose that makes some sort of sense, even if the PoV is pretty damn alien to me.

[grumbler]

Is that what #gamergate is? Opposing a radical feminist agenda?

Seems to be part of it.  It's an anti-establishment movement, and the Feminazi/SJW types seem to be part of the establishment, as it were.

The problem is that the anti-establishment movements are also part of the establishment.  You can't get much more establishment than #gamergate.

[derspiess]

That's deep, man.

[Neil]

Taking into account that I consider one's gender to be immutably set at birth, would I consider a trans woman to be a man or a woman?  The language that all these people use with their 'cis' and their 'POC' escapes me.

If you want to respect their identity, you consider them a woman.

If you want to make the point that you think they're full of shit and ridiculous, you consider them a man.

I don't think I'll ever encounter one of those types, so I'm just more concerned about how to decipher a phrase like 'trans woman'.

[derspiess]

I think it means "pretend woman"

[LaCroix]

Is that what #gamergate is? Opposing a radical feminist agenda?

yup, i brought this up awhile ago. it opposes radical feminism, not women in general. it's anti-tumblr nutso feminists, essentially. #gamergate is like the male version of it.

[The Brain]

Who gives a flying fuck what gamers think?

[Razgovory]

Taking into account that I consider one's gender to be immutably set at birth, would I consider a trans woman to be a man or a woman?  The language that all these people use with their 'cis' and their 'POC' escapes me.

If you want to respect their identity, you consider them a woman.

If you want to make the point that you think they're full of shit and ridiculous, you consider them a man.

I don't think I'll ever encounter one of those types, so I'm just more concerned about how to decipher a phrase like 'trans woman'.

I wonder what the proper protocol is on Halloween.

[Jacob]

I don't think I'll ever encounter one of those types, so I'm just more concerned about how to decipher a phrase like 'trans woman'.

Trans woman = buddharhubarb

[Neil]

I don't think I'll ever encounter one of those types, so I'm just more concerned about how to decipher a phrase like 'trans woman'.

Trans woman = buddharhubarb

I thought he was just a crossdresser?

Still, I guess if that's accurate, I always though of him as a man, so that would help remind me.