http://news.yahoo.com/no-small-fries-restaurant-bans-kids-under-six-172003848.html
QuoteOne Pennsylvania restaurateur has pulled the car over and told the kids to just get out.
A local ABC affiliate reported that Mike Vuick, owner of McDain's in Monroeville, Pa., sent this email to his customers letting them know that kidlets would soon be non grata:
"Beginning July 16, 2011, McDain's Restaurant will no longer admit children under six years of age. We feel that McDain's is not a place for young children. Their volume can't be controlled and many, many times, they have disturbed other customers."
When there is a loud child in any enclosed space - restaurants, airplanes, chapels - two groups of people emerge. There are those with boundless love for small children - and boundless sympathy for parents - who will abide any amount of noise in the presence of those cherubic little faces. And then there are those who experience the equivalent of road rage when parents don't remove said loud child from said enclosed space. (These impasses can be particularly tense at 30,000 feet).
When interviewed, Vuick defended his position. "I think it's the height of being impolite and selfish," he said. "And therefore, I instituted a policy." He also delivered an "oh snap!" quip in response to angry parents: "You know, their child - maybe as it should be - is the center of their universe. But they don't realize it's not the center of the universe." And to clarify, McDain's touts itself as a destination for "cocktails and fine casual dining" that is adjacent to a golf course, so the restaurant may be used to older clientele.
Vuick is by no means the first person to issue a blanket ban on the kiddies. In the 1970s, one Florida city banned families with children under 14 from living in certain "adult community" parts of town; the city council even imposed a jail term and fine on anyone who sold or rented a house to such a family. In the 1980s, a Canadian human rights' commission said a ban similar to Vuick's did not violate the law; while a mother who was refused service felt she was discriminated against, the restaurant owner said "she and her husband were merely ending discrimination against customers who did not like to eat pasta while children whined and cried around them." And, in more recent years, the number of children banned from schools has even been on the rise in some parts of the world.
He sounds like a bitch. Wonder if his business will thrive.
Quote from: garbon on July 12, 2011, 02:17:47 PM
QuoteAnd, in more recent years, the number of children banned from schools has even been on the rise in some parts of the world.
Huh?
As for McDain (read that as McDonalds at first :lol:), it's his choice.
I've been to many places with age requirements. BFD.
No children no more families! Just Teenagers. He isn't going to enjoy this decision.
Quote from: The Brain on July 12, 2011, 02:28:46 PM
I've been to many places with age requirements. BFD.
Seniors bowling league?
Quote from: garbon on July 12, 2011, 02:17:47 PM
When there is a loud child in any enclosed space - restaurants, airplanes, chapels - two groups of people emerge. There are those with boundless love for small children - and boundless sympathy for parents - who will abide any amount of noise in the presence of those cherubic little faces. And then there are those who experience the equivalent of road rage when parents don't remove said loud child from said enclosed space. (These impasses can be particularly tense at 30,000 feet).
I'm leaning a little towards the 'road rage' faction, though it depends on the venue. I go to great lengths to ensure that my kid isn't disruptive in restaurants, planes, etc. and it pisses me off when I see some kid going apeshit and his parents don't even seem to bothered or embarrassed by it. When in doubt, leave your kid with a sitter or just don't take the trip :rolleyes:
That having been said, it's hard for me to picture this McDain's as being anything but a wanna-be McDonald's, like the McDowell's in Coming to America.
Meh, his place, his rules. Though the guy sounds like a bit of an asshole.
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
Quote from: Martinus on July 12, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
Ah, the joys of not being a breeder...
It'll stop anymore people from changing the diapers on the table in the middle of the restaurant I'm all for it.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 12, 2011, 04:22:01 PM
It'll stop anymore people from changing the diapers on the table in the middle of the restaurant I'm all for it.
:huh: It's an age requirement, not a non-fetish requirement.
Quote from: Martinus on July 12, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
The flip side is if a restaurant doesn't want my families business, all they have to do is say so.
We don't go out for food very often with the little guy, but we have a few times. Restaurants are pretty good about it really - they'll have high chairs, will put us in a section with other children, seem very understanding all in all. But we also make a point to try to go to restaurants that will in fact be child friendly. It's no fun for us, the restaurant, or our child to be in a place where the baby isn't welcome.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 12, 2011, 04:22:01 PM
It'll stop anymore people from changing the diapers on the table in the middle of the restaurant I'm all for it.
This sounds like an old folk's restaurant. I bet gramps with alzheimers can do stuff on the table with his Depends that would make a toddler blush. :P
Quote from: Martinus on July 12, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
It isn't like parents want their children to be causing a fuss. Sometimes children just do that as that's what children do.
Quote from: garbon on July 12, 2011, 04:42:43 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 12, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
It isn't like parents want their children to be causing a fuss. Sometimes children just do that as that's what children do.
Too many parents don't give a shit when their children cause a fuss.
Turning six is the new turning 21. :)
Quote from: syk on July 12, 2011, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 12, 2011, 04:42:43 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 12, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
It isn't like parents want their children to be causing a fuss. Sometimes children just do that as that's what children do.
Too many parents don't give a shit when their children cause a fuss.
A great many do though. After all, even if, as the article states, parents can put up with crying/screaming longer because they love the child and are willing to overlook that, it doesn't mean that it doesn't bother them. Of course it does. Crying babies are not fun for anyone.
I wonder where all these parents who don't care what their child is doing are. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one.
I like annoying the Marts of the world.
Quote from: Martinus on July 12, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
Believe me, the only thing more annoying than overhearing out of control kids is overhearing two fags on a first date. Talk about egotistical.
Lots of restaurants in HK won't admit minors. 6 is generous. A lot won't admit anyone below 12.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 12, 2011, 02:41:09 PM
No children no more families! Just Teenagers. He isn't going to enjoy this decision.
I agree, that's probably going to be the end result of this decision.
Quote from: Barrister on July 12, 2011, 05:31:31 PM
I wonder where all these parents who don't care what their child is doing are. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one.
You live in Canada, you probably only see like 5-6 different people in a month.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 12, 2011, 10:36:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 12, 2011, 05:31:31 PM
I wonder where all these parents who don't care what their child is doing are. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one.
You live in Canada, you probably only see like 5-6 different people in a month.
If only that were true. :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 12, 2011, 09:39:28 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 12, 2011, 02:41:09 PM
No children no more families! Just Teenagers. He isn't going to enjoy this decision.
I agree, that's probably going to be the end result of this decision.
Unlike your posts I am sure he put some thought into this decision and didn't just pull it out of his ass.
He probably talked to his regular customers and I would imagine his business will at least stay steady if not get better.
Quote from: sbr on July 12, 2011, 10:45:29 PM
Unlike your posts I am sure he put some thought into this decision and didn't just pull it out of his ass.
He probably talked to his regular customers and I would imagine his business will at least stay steady if not get better.
Yes because ranting to the media about how terrible children are sounds very level headed.
Quote from: garbon on July 12, 2011, 04:42:43 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 12, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
It isn't like parents want their children to be causing a fuss. Sometimes children just do that as that's what children do.
But it's not like parents have to take their children to a restaurant either. It used to be that parents would go out and leave the kid with a babysitter. It's like bringing a yapping dog to an event and then shrug that you can't do anything about the noise.
Quote from: Barrister on July 12, 2011, 04:31:22 PMThe flip side is if a restaurant doesn't want my families business, all they have to do is say so.
We don't go out for food very often with the little guy, but we have a few times. Restaurants are pretty good about it really - they'll have high chairs, will put us in a section with other children, seem very understanding all in all. But we also make a point to try to go to restaurants that will in fact be child friendly. It's no fun for us, the restaurant, or our child to be in a place where the baby isn't welcome.
You can't make everybody happy. But as you say you do not go out to a restaurant often. I tend to go out to eat with my boyfriend about 3-5 times a week. Surely it is a smarter business decision to appease me and lose you as a customer than vice-versa. :cool:
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 03:54:55 AM
I tend to go out to eat with my boyfriend about 3-5 times a week.
Extra, meet padding.
Quote from: The Brain on July 13, 2011, 04:03:16 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 03:54:55 AM
I tend to go out to eat with my boyfriend about 3-5 times a week.
Extra, meet padding.
He got fat on this faster than I did. :yeah:
:unsure: :hmm:
When they open somewhere that bans the under 30s, then I'll go.
And the over 70s while they're at it.
Quote from: Brazen on July 13, 2011, 04:36:08 AM
When they open somewhere that bans the under 30s, then I'll go.
And the over 70s while they're at it.
The under 30s should be allowed to come but only while accompanied by a 30+ boyfriend/girlfriend. :contract:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 12, 2011, 09:39:28 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 12, 2011, 02:41:09 PM
No children no more families! Just Teenagers. He isn't going to enjoy this decision.
I agree, that's probably going to be the end result of this decision.
Didn't the article say the restaurant was associated with a golf course? :huh:
Quote from: Barrister on July 12, 2011, 05:31:31 PM
I wonder where all these parents who don't care what their child is doing are. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one.
I dunno where this theme comes from either. I hear on the net all the time about parents taking kids to inappropriate venues, like adult movies, and proceeding to not care when they scream and cry - but I've never actually seen this.
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: Barrister on July 12, 2011, 05:31:31 PM
I wonder where all these parents who don't care what their child is doing are. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one.
I dunno where this theme comes from either. I hear on the net all the time about parents taking kids to inappropriate venues, like adult movies, and proceeding to not care when they scream and cry - but I've never actually seen this.
you know the rule. If everyone says it happens, and you don't see it happening, that means you're the one doing it :P
I've seen a few instances of paernts not caring. In all cases i can recall (or perhaps selectively remember, who knows) it's from lower income familes.
Quote from: Barrister on July 12, 2011, 05:31:31 PM
I wonder where all these parents who don't care what their child is doing are. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one.
Yeah I was thinking there sure are alot of whiny little bitches on this board. But hey maybe where they come from kids scream and throw shit. Never happens in Texas that I see.
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 03:46:36 AM
But it's not like parents have to take their children to a restaurant either. It used to be that parents would go out and leave the kid with a babysitter. It's like bringing a yapping dog to an event and then shrug that you can't do anything about the noise.
What kind of fucked up culture do you live in? Kids in Poland are allowed to scream and do scream 100% of the time?
I swear to God I wonder what planet you live on sometimes.
Quote from: HVC on July 13, 2011, 08:48:24 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: Barrister on July 12, 2011, 05:31:31 PM
I wonder where all these parents who don't care what their child is doing are. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one.
I dunno where this theme comes from either. I hear on the net all the time about parents taking kids to inappropriate venues, like adult movies, and proceeding to not care when they scream and cry - but I've never actually seen this.
you know the rule. If everyone says it happens, and you don't see it happening, that means you're the one doing it :P
I wonder how I managed that feat in the 38 years I was alive before I had a kid. :hmm:
:P
The thing I wondered about was the age of 6 that guy set. I expect 4, 5 and 6 year old kids to be able to behave themselves in public. A crying baby is something completely different and something I can tolerate. What annoys me to no end is when little shits run about and involve the whole restaurant in their parents' obvious failure of raising their kids. Must be a work thing for me to see loads of parents who don't properly care for their offsprings, setting them no boundaries and/or treating these little princes and princesses like they'd be the center of the universe. Usually you can tell from the first names here already. A lot of them have american first names like Kevin, Jason, Connor, Charleen, Darleen, Joy and such. Ban them all.
Anyway aren't there lots of places that do not allow people under a certain age? I do not really see the big deal.
Quote from: syk on July 13, 2011, 09:14:21 AM
What annoys me to no end is when little shits run about and involve the whole restaurant in their parents' obvious failure of raising their kids.
This really must be a cultural thing. That kind of thing rarely happens and when it does it is not tolerated. At least at the places I see. But I have not had the pleasure of going to kiddie restaurants like McDonalds playscapes and places like this: http://www.chuckecheese.com/ .
But if you go to one of those places you are sorta going on their kiddie turf and should expect the reign of chaos that goes with that.
Quote from: Valmy on July 13, 2011, 09:24:34 AM
Anyway aren't there lots of places that do not allow people under a certain age? I do not really see the big deal.
It isn't a big deal, and I doubt if many parents of young kids go to a golf club restaurant in the first place (what do you do with your 3 year old when golfing? Get him to caddy for you?) but the guy in the article is deliberately *making* it a big deal by snarking on parents with kids.
I sense: attention whore. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: HVC on July 13, 2011, 08:48:24 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: Barrister on July 12, 2011, 05:31:31 PM
I wonder where all these parents who don't care what their child is doing are. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one.
I dunno where this theme comes from either. I hear on the net all the time about parents taking kids to inappropriate venues, like adult movies, and proceeding to not care when they scream and cry - but I've never actually seen this.
you know the rule. If everyone says it happens, and you don't see it happening, that means you're the one doing it :P
I wonder how I managed that feat in the 38 years I was alive before I had a kid. :hmm:
:P
well from 0-14 you were the kid, so you've got that time frame cover. From 14-38 you were a no good dirty hippy who stayed away from children :D
That town in Florida is full of shit though. One guy can do what he wants with his restaurant, but you can't make a law ghettoizing people with kids.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 13, 2011, 11:27:59 AM
That town in Florida is full of shit though. One guy can do what he wants with his restaurant, but you can't make a law ghettoizing people with kids.
You can't let kids into Bars or Casinos can you?
I've eaten out a few times with my sisters and their kids and they seem to keep the crying fairly under control. Course they're infants and the worst offenders I've seen elsewhere seem to be the 3-5 year olds who want something.
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 09:28:53 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 13, 2011, 09:24:34 AM
Anyway aren't there lots of places that do not allow people under a certain age? I do not really see the big deal.
It isn't a big deal, and I doubt if many parents of young kids go to a golf club restaurant in the first place (what do you do with your 3 year old when golfing? Get him to caddy for you?) but the guy in the article is deliberately *making* it a big deal by snarking on parents with kids.
I sense: attention whore. ;)
:yes:
Which is why I said he sounds like a bitch.
Quote from: Valmy on July 13, 2011, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 03:46:36 AM
But it's not like parents have to take their children to a restaurant either. It used to be that parents would go out and leave the kid with a babysitter. It's like bringing a yapping dog to an event and then shrug that you can't do anything about the noise.
What kind of fucked up culture do you live in? Kids in Poland are allowed to scream and do scream 100% of the time?
I swear to God I wonder what planet you live on sometimes.
You probably do not realise when you go out with a kid how much noise and annoyance your "darling" makes. So go back to making more fat kids and fuck off.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 13, 2011, 12:37:20 PM
I've eaten out a few times with my sisters
Wow I totally read this wrong at first. :lol:
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 13, 2011, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 03:46:36 AM
But it's not like parents have to take their children to a restaurant either. It used to be that parents would go out and leave the kid with a babysitter. It's like bringing a yapping dog to an event and then shrug that you can't do anything about the noise.
What kind of fucked up culture do you live in? Kids in Poland are allowed to scream and do scream 100% of the time?
I swear to God I wonder what planet you live on sometimes.
You probably do not realise when you go out with a kid how much noise and annoyance your "darling" makes. So go back to making more fat kids and fuck off.
Oh trust me - a parent is keenly aware of how much noise and annoyance their child is making! :lol:
Oh, I don't think you do. I think you get used to it and then get hostile when other people are unwilling to put up with the results of your lifestyle choices.
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 02:36:17 PM
hostile when other people are unwilling to put up with the results of your lifestyle choices.
:lol: irony much :P
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
You probably do not realise when you go out with a kid how much noise and annoyance your "darling" makes.
Even if true, how would that stop us from being annoyed by other people's kids?
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 02:36:17 PM
Oh, I don't think you do. I think you get used to it and then get hostile when other people are unwilling to put up with the results of your lifestyle choices.
No, as I said parents are generally mortified and embarassed by the noise and commotion their little one may make. :D
Quote from: HVC on July 13, 2011, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 02:36:17 PM
hostile when other people are unwilling to put up with the results of your lifestyle choices.
:lol: irony much :P
The choice of words was deliberate. And for the record, I'm equally put off by two guys (or a hetero couple) going too far in PDAs.
Did you hear about the French Fry who went into a bar and asked to see the menu?
The bartender said "Sorry, we don't serve food here".
So this guy doesnt want kids in his esrablishment because he believes that his customers will enjoy a childfree environment?
What is the big deal andwhy are Parents being so offended?
Whywould you want to patronize an establishment where you are not wanted? general principle?
Quote from: Slargos on July 13, 2011, 04:54:39 PM
So this guy doesnt want kids in his esrablishment because he believes that his customers will enjoy a childfree environment?
What is the big deal andwhy are Parents being so offended?
Whywould you want to patronize an establishment where you are not wanted? general principle?
Well you'll notice in this thread that none of the parents were offended...
Quote from: Slargos on July 13, 2011, 04:54:39 PM
So this guy doesnt want kids in his esrablishment because he believes that his customers will enjoy a childfree environment?
What is the big deal andwhy are Parents being so offended?
Whywould you want to patronize an establishment where you are not wanted? general principle?
Are you reading the same thread I am? No-one thinks it is a big deal, no-one is offended by the guy's choice, and no-one wants to eat in his restaurant.
Lots of parents here think he sounds like an asshole and attention whore because of what he's quoted as saying in the article.
:lol: it certainly sounds like you are offended. "what an asshole" methinks you protest too much. :lol:
Quote from: Slargos on July 13, 2011, 05:08:15 PM
:lol: it certainly sounds like you are offended. "what an asshole" methinks you protest too much. :lol:
Sure. But the "offence" isn't from the fact he won't let kids under 6 eat at his restaurant. It's from his obnoxious interview quotes.
He sounds like yet another "Slargossian Hero". Useful term, that. :D
Edit: wait, here's a Statue of him:
http://www.parentfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/baby-statue.jpg
:D
Quote from: Martinus on July 12, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
You know, Mary, some people want to have children, and even you were once a wanted pregnancy yourself. For the first few years anyway.
Quote from: DGuller on July 13, 2011, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 12, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
You know, Mary, some people want to have children, and even you were once a wanted pregnancy yourself. For the first few years anyway.
Probably at least until he chose to become a faggot.
Anyway, despite what the Canadians are saying I have often seen very, very, bad behavior from children in restaurants. Like my parents did with me, anytime we go out to eat in a nice restaurant I have my daughter locked in the closet with a sippy cup of Jameson, just like my parents did with me so I've never had an uncontrollable child in a restaurant.
What I will guess is maybe BB and Malthus aren't going to shitty restaurants that often, but I've been through enough Shoney's and Denny's in my life to know what to expect in such places.
People who are hanging out at Denny's are asking for crap all around. :contract:
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on July 13, 2011, 09:14:13 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 13, 2011, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 12, 2011, 03:45:04 PM
More power to this guy. If you are too irresponsible to wear a condom, hire an au pair you egotistical whores.
You know, Mary, some people want to have children, and even you were once a wanted pregnancy yourself. For the first few years anyway.
Probably at least until he chose to become a faggot.
Well, he did call him Mary. :lol:
:lmfao: That wasn't intentional. Somehow I always manage to make the most unfortunate typos.
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: Barrister on July 12, 2011, 05:31:31 PM
I wonder where all these parents who don't care what their child is doing are. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one.
I dunno where this theme comes from either. I hear on the net all the time about parents taking kids to inappropriate venues, like adult movies, and proceeding to not care when they scream and cry - but I've never actually seen this.
My sister's a Horror fan and she dragged me to see the remake of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Some dumb bitch a couple of rows in front of us had a couple of 2-3 year olds with her.
Also, when I went to see Watchmen some Dad brought a couple of 10 year old boys with him.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 13, 2011, 10:48:37 PM
Also, when I went to see Watchmen some Dad brought a couple of 10 year old boys with him.
Truth. Children should not be exposed to giant blue wangs.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 13, 2011, 10:48:37 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: Barrister on July 12, 2011, 05:31:31 PM
I wonder where all these parents who don't care what their child is doing are. I honestly don't think I've ever seen one.
I dunno where this theme comes from either. I hear on the net all the time about parents taking kids to inappropriate venues, like adult movies, and proceeding to not care when they scream and cry - but I've never actually seen this.
My sister's a Horror fan and she dragged me to see the remake of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Some dumb bitch a couple of rows in front of us had a couple of 2-3 year olds with her.
Also, when I went to see Watchmen some Dad brought a couple of 10 year old boys with him.
I dunno - Watchmen is at least arguably appropriate for 10 year olds.
Those films have an 18 certification in the UK, I'd have assumed the situation is the same in the US and Canada :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 13, 2011, 05:08:15 PM
:lol: it certainly sounds like you are offended. "what an asshole" methinks you protest too much. :lol:
Sure. But the "offence" isn't from the fact he won't let kids under 6 eat at his restaurant. It's from his obnoxious interview quotes.
He sounds like yet another "Slargossian Hero". Useful term, that. :D
Edit: wait, here's a Statue of him:
http://www.parentfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/baby-statue.jpg (http://www.parentfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/baby-statue.jpg)
:D
:rolleyes:
Where are these "obnoxious" quotes? I see him saying that parents may believe their children are more important than they really are, but since when is that untrue?
Between what you lay claim to, and what you're actually saying, there is a wide chasm.
Filled with children and jews.
Which seem to be the subjects on which you grow entirely irrational.
i went to a planetarium in san francisco last year. for about 70% of the time, some little fuck in the row behind me kept talking. his father said and did nothing to stop him. it irritated me to no end, and pretty much ruined the experience. the father could have simply told his son to shush and be quiet as the display ran its course, but no. he did nothing
given that mcdain's is a fine dining restaurant, i've no issue that the owner wants to ban little fuckers from entering. everything he said in the article seemed perfectly reasonable
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 14, 2011, 12:45:25 AM
Those films have an 18 certification in the UK, I'd have assumed the situation is the same in the US and Canada :hmm:
R - rated films can not be viewed by minors under the age of 17
unless accompanied by a parent/guardian.
You Americans are silly in your belief that an average parent is well placed to make decisions that could affect his or her child's wellbeing. :lol:
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 14, 2011, 12:45:25 AM
Those films have an 18 certification in the UK, I'd have assumed the situation is the same in the US and Canada :hmm:
Quebec has it's own rating board. Shit has to get fucking violent for it to administer a 16+ rating. Nudity usually just gets you a 13+ rating. You need context with it to make it 16+.
Don't remember an 18+ movie that wasn't porn.
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:01:02 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 13, 2011, 05:08:15 PM
:lol: it certainly sounds like you are offended. "what an asshole" methinks you protest too much. :lol:
Sure. But the "offence" isn't from the fact he won't let kids under 6 eat at his restaurant. It's from his obnoxious interview quotes.
He sounds like yet another "Slargossian Hero". Useful term, that. :D
Edit: wait, here's a Statue of him:
http://www.parentfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/baby-statue.jpg (http://www.parentfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/baby-statue.jpg)
:D
:rolleyes:
Where are these "obnoxious" quotes? I see him saying that parents may believe their children are more important than they really are, but since when is that untrue?
Between what you lay claim to, and what you're actually saying, there is a wide chasm.
Filled with children and jews.
Which seem to be the subjects on which you grow entirely irrational.
Look, I get that a guy who is into Nazism is unlikely to understand what is obnoxious about making disparaging generalizations about whole classes of people. :D
But I'd think that even you could see that a guy making a huge fanfare about banning young kids from a
golf course restaurant is just being an attention whore. How many people take their 4 year olds
golfing?
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 07:51:48 AM
How many people take their 4 year olds golfing?
Tiger Woods' dad did.
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That worked out pretty well. Maybe I should get David out on the links.
Quote from: LaCroix on July 14, 2011, 01:04:36 AM
i went to a planetarium in san francisco last year. for about 70% of the time, some little fuck in the row behind me kept talking. his father said and did nothing to stop him. it irritated me to no end, and pretty much ruined the experience. the father could have simply told his son to shush and be quiet as the display ran its course, but no. he did nothing
given that mcdain's is a fine dining restaurant, i've no issue that the owner wants to ban little fuckers from entering. everything he said in the article seemed perfectly reasonable
Know what? A Black person was once rude to me. So was a gay person, a few years ago. I think that was in New York.
Clearly, we can't have Blacks and gays out in public. My experience proves that.
;)
Quote from: LaCroix on July 14, 2011, 01:04:36 AM
i went to a planetarium in san francisco last year. for about 70% of the time, some little fuck in the row behind me kept talking. his father said and did nothing to stop him. it irritated me to no end, and pretty much ruined the experience. the father could have simply told his son to shush and be quiet as the display ran its course, but no. he did nothing
He was in the row behind you and you did not say anything?
Malthus are you saying that any restrictions imposed on minors are discrimination akin to nazism, racism and homopobia? Because otherwise you are making no sense. :huh:
And for the record, even if after a baby screams its mouth off for 30 seconds its parent shuts it up,it's still 30 seconds of annoyance. The annoyance created by babies is therefore not only dependant on whether the parent is an obnoxious arrogant cretin or simply a well meaning moron.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 08:15:06 AM
And for the record, even if after a baby screams its mouth off for 30 seconds its parent shuts it up,it's still 30 seconds of annoyance. The annoyance created by babies is therefore not only dependant on whether the parent is an obnoxious arrogant cretin or simply a well meaning moron.
The 45 seconds I have to smell your perfume smell because you put too much on as you walk by me is still 45 seconds of untolerable smell I have to endure. The annoyance created by perfume wearers is therefore not only dependant whether you are an obnoxious arrogant retard or simply a smelldeath moron.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 08:12:27 AM
Malthus are you saying that any restrictions imposed on minors are discrimination akin to nazism, racism and homopobia? Because otherwise you are making no sense. :huh:
If I was saying that, it would indeed make no sense. ;)
No, what I'm making fun of is the sort of argument that begins "Two years ago in Shanghai, I saw a parent being rude. Obviously, this means ... ".
It's the habit of making sweeping (usually negative) generalizations from limited specific incidents that tend to support a particular POV - a sort of "confirmation bias". You see this all the time with racists and homophobes - as in, "I wasn't a racist until a Black Guy mugged me" or "I knew this gay guy, he was a real coward. Gay guys are cowardly". The falsity here is that a
White guy mugging the same person, or a hetero coward, would not have the same effect. The fact that the mugger was
Black or the coward was
gay is given a significance it probably doesn't merit.
Same here - some guy with a kid acts rude in a planetarium. If it was just some guy, it would not be significant.
He didn't say the guy acted rude, he said his kid wouldn't shut up.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 08:15:06 AM
You Americans are silly in your belief that an average parent is well placed to make decisions that could affect his or her child's wellbeing. :lol:
And for the record, even if after a baby screams its mouth off for 30 seconds its parent shuts it up,it's still 30 seconds of annoyance. The annoyance created by babies is therefore not only dependant on whether the parent is an obnoxious arrogant cretin or simply a well meaning moron.
gays. :lol:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 14, 2011, 08:50:10 AM
He didn't say the guy acted rude, he said his kid wouldn't shut up.
Letting your kid talk during something like that is pretty rude.
Quote from: Martinus on July 13, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
You probably do not realise when you go out with a kid how much noise and annoyance your "darling" makes. So go back to making more fat kids and fuck off.
:lol:
You know what? Nevermind I hope screaming kids stalk your dreams.
Mart's tiny fists balled up in impotent gay rage.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 14, 2011, 08:50:10 AM
He didn't say the guy acted rude, he said his kid wouldn't shut up.
The rude part is this:
Quotehis father said and did nothing to stop him.
Most reasonable folk don't blame kids for acting like kids, but the parents for not enforcing good standards of behaviour on 'em. Like "use you indoor voice" when they are being loud, or to be quiet when others are talking or during a movie.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 14, 2011, 08:55:52 AM
Mart's tiny fists balled up in impotent gay rage.
it's just his breeder envy showing.
Quote from: HVC on July 14, 2011, 08:56:54 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 14, 2011, 08:55:52 AM
Mart's tiny fists balled up in impotent gay rage.
it's just his breeder envy showing.
It is his subhuman side showing.
Quote from: HVC on July 14, 2011, 08:56:54 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 14, 2011, 08:55:52 AM
Mart's tiny fists balled up in impotent gay rage.
it's just his breeder envy showing.
Heh when I've had a bad day with Carl, I'm envying the gays. :D
Though overall I'm lucky, Carl is usually a good kid (and gets his looks from his mom, thankfully. ;) )
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 08:56:05 AM
Most reasonable folk don't blame kids for acting like kids, but the parents for not enforcing good standards of behaviour on 'em.
I guess I'm unreasonable, because I would be annoyed at the kid. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: HVC on July 14, 2011, 08:56:54 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 14, 2011, 08:55:52 AM
Mart's tiny fists balled up in impotent gay rage.
it's just his breeder envy showing.
Heh when I've had a bad day with Carl, I'm envying the gays. :D
Though overall I'm lucky, Carl is usually a good kid (and gets his looks from his mom, thankfully. ;) )
hey you got his mom before your lawyer money started rolling in so he could have done worse then end up looking like you lol.
He is a cute kid though. i foresee a future heart breaker.
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 08:59:26 AM
Heh when I've had a bad day with Carl, I'm envying the gays. :D
I just always remember the reason I had a kid to begin with: I have somebody to avenge my death if anybody kills me.
'My name is Carl Atwood. You killed my father. Prepare to die.'
Of course if children never go to restaurants then you will have some very badly-behaved adults when they go to a restaurant for the first time at age 18 :D
It is a normal part of their upbringing IMO; most people are tolerant of children and the minor irritations associated with them as they are the next generation. The problem arises when their parents are assholes and fail to teach the children how to behave..............as several others have pointed out.
Having eaten out in restaurants around the world with Languishites, I see the pained expressions other diners give me in the hope I'll stop the boys having screaming arguments about dreadnoughts.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 14, 2011, 09:52:25 AM
The problem arises when their parents are assholes and fail to teach the children how to behave..............as several others have pointed out.
And in that case simply complain to the management or ask politely. Just like you would if they were a bunch of unruley adults.
Quote from: Brazen on July 14, 2011, 09:56:14 AM
Having eaten out in restaurants around the world with Languishites, I see the pained expressions other diners give me in the hope I'll stop the boys having screaming arguments about dreadnoughts.
:lol:
Quote from: Brazen on July 14, 2011, 09:56:14 AM
Having eaten out in restaurants around the world with Languishites, I see the pained expressions other diners give me in the hope I'll stop the boys having screaming arguments about dreadnoughts.
I think you are right there, I'm fairly sure that my standard of behaviour in restaurants has been in decline ever since I was about 8 or so :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: HVC on July 14, 2011, 08:56:54 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 14, 2011, 08:55:52 AM
Mart's tiny fists balled up in impotent gay rage.
it's just his breeder envy showing.
Heh when I've had a bad day with Carl, I'm envying the gays. :D
Though overall I'm lucky, Carl is usually a good kid (and gets his looks from his mom, thankfully. ;) )
He looks an awful lot like you do Malty. :o
Quote from: Barrister on July 14, 2011, 10:24:26 AM
He looks an awful lot like you do Malty. :o
I think he's a lot better looking than me. Even when I was the same age. :D
Look. Personally I have no problem with children*, screaming or otherwise. I know that the parents will typically feel far worse about their screaming children than me, even if there's probably the odd screwball who doesn't care that their kid raises hell.
However, I can understand that some people have a harder time with it than others, and the furor raised every time someone wants to ban kids from their place of business is just ridiculous. Go somewhere else. Why the fuck must people insist on going to places where they are obviously not wanted, "just because". They are the attention whores, not this guy.
*Unless they're darkies. :P
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 12:45:47 PM
However, I can understand that some people have a harder time with it than others, and the furor raised every time someone wants to ban kids from their place of business is just ridiculous. Go somewhere else. Why the fuck must people insist on going to places where they are obviously not wanted, "just because". They are the attention whores, not this guy.
Yeah I completely agree.
It is not like there are not plenty of restaurants who will be happy for your business. Heck many of them run promotions, like kids eat free on some nights, to get you to come and bring your kids.
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 12:45:47 PM
Look. Personally I have no problem with children*, screaming or otherwise. I know that the parents will typically feel far worse about their screaming children than me, even if there's probably the odd screwball who doesn't care that their kid raises hell.
However, I can understand that some people have a harder time with it than others, and the furor raised every time someone wants to ban kids from their place of business is just ridiculous. Go somewhere else. Why the fuck must people insist on going to places where they are obviously not wanted, "just because". They are the attention whores, not this guy.
*Unless they're darkies. :P
Yeah ... but there is no-one actually insisting on eating in this fellow's restaurant. :hmm: Indeed, it's likely he doesn't get many kids, given his pace is at a golf course. So who is your post directed at?
Pretty well every parent in this thread has already said that making such a rule is fine with them - *before* you chose to grace it with your presence. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 12:45:47 PM
Look. Personally I have no problem with children*, screaming or otherwise. I know that the parents will typically feel far worse about their screaming children than me, even if there's probably the odd screwball who doesn't care that their kid raises hell.
However, I can understand that some people have a harder time with it than others, and the furor raised every time someone wants to ban kids from their place of business is just ridiculous. Go somewhere else. Why the fuck must people insist on going to places where they are obviously not wanted, "just because". They are the attention whores, not this guy.
*Unless they're darkies. :P
Yeah ... but there is no-one actually insisting on eating in this fellow's restaurant. :hmm: Indeed, it's likely he doesn't get many kids, given his pace is at a golf course. So who is your post directed at?
Pretty well every parent in this thread has already said that making such a rule is fine with them - *before* you chose to grace it with your presence. ;)
Yet you're all bitching about it.
Join me Slarg in attacking Mart. Together we'll rule the galaxy as father and son.
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:32:03 PM
Yet you're all bitching about it.
We are making fun of this guy as an attenion whore and saying he sounds like an ass. Not complaining about his "policy".
It's fine that he doesn't want kids in his restaurants BUT...
I'm not religious BUT...
I have no horse in the Israel race BUT...
Pattern here? :hmm:
I think this discussion misses the main point - it's not about where you ban kids, it's about parents being harebrained and bringing young kids to locales where it is clearly inappropriate. No, you don't need to bring your 4 yo to a dinner at a restaurant, or go to "family holidays" to Maldives involving a 16 hours trip on a plane.
When you decided to have a kid - more power to you - but that does involve certain sacrifices and you should not ignore them until "someone politely complains". If you come to a social occassion smelling of shit, or with a loud dog - it's not that you are in clear until "someone complains" - it's your onus not to let this happen in the first place.
Quote from: The Brain on July 14, 2011, 01:35:48 PM
It's fine that he doesn't want kids in his restaurants BUT...
I'm not religious BUT...
I have no horse in the Israel race BUT...
Pattern here? :hmm:
Despite appearances, I'm not *that* into butts.
Edit: d'oh! Ninja'd by the Valmster. :D
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 14, 2011, 01:35:48 PM
It's fine that he doesn't want kids in his restaurants BUT...
I'm not religious BUT...
I have no horse in the Israel race BUT...
Pattern here? :hmm:
Despite appearances, I'm not *that* into butts.
Well you should be.
Quote from: Valmy on July 14, 2011, 09:56:23 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 14, 2011, 09:52:25 AM
The problem arises when their parents are assholes and fail to teach the children how to behave..............as several others have pointed out.
And in that case simply complain to the management or ask politely. Just like you would if they were a bunch of unruley adults.
But that does not mean that the unruly adults are not doing anything wrong until someone complans, no? A parent who brings a young kid to a restaurant is the retard breaking social rules - the onus should not be on fellow guests or the owner to tell him or her that.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:36:20 PM
I think this discussion misses the main point - it's not about where you ban kids, it's about parents being harebrained and bringing young kids to locales where it is clearly inappropriate. No, you don't need to bring your 4 yo to a dinner at a restaurant, or go to "family holidays" to Maldives involving a 16 hours trip on a plane.
When you decided to have a kid - more power to you - but that does involve certain sacrifices and you should not ignore them until "someone politely complains". If you come to a social occassion smelling of shit, or with a loud dog - it's not that you are in clear until "someone complains" - it's your onus not to let this happen in the first place.
It is amazing how you flail about like a crazy person and then come back and say something reasonable.
I am not sure how kids are not supposed to be at restaurants though. Or go on vacations. Just, you know, be polite.
If little kids were not supposed to be at restaurants then they would not have kids menus and provide high chairs and actively solicite parents with kids to come eat there. If kids were not supposed to be on vacations, tourism organizations would not be actively trying to market towards them and their parents. How is that a basic social expectation?
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 01:35:03 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:32:03 PM
Yet you're all bitching about it.
We are making fun of this guy as an attenion whore and saying he sounds like an ass. Not complaining about his "policy".
He is not an attention whore - unless he went to the press and asked them to write an article about him. The attention whore is a cretin parent who brings a young kid to a restaurant.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:39:05 PM
A parent who brings a young kid to a restaurant is the retard breaking social rules - the onus should not be on fellow guests or the owner to tell him or her that.
There are zero social rules against bringing young kids to restaurants. There are certain ones you wouldn't but where is that a general social rule?
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:36:20 PM
I think this discussion misses the main point - it's not about where you ban kids, it's about parents being harebrained and bringing young kids to locales where it is clearly inappropriate. No, you don't need to bring your 4 yo to a dinner at a restaurant, or go to "family holidays" to Maldives involving a 16 hours trip on a plane.
When you decided to have a kid - more power to you - but that does involve certain sacrifices and you should not ignore them until "someone politely complains". If you come to a social occassion smelling of shit, or with a loud dog - it's not that you are in clear until "someone complains" - it's your onus not to let this happen in the first place.
Heh, who gets to set the rules as to when you can take a kid out to a restaurant, if not the owner? Many of 'em
love having families as customers - that's why they have high chairs, crayons and kid's menus. :lol:
Edit: double-d'oh! Ninja'd again!
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 14, 2011, 01:34:10 PM
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Quote from: Valmy on July 14, 2011, 01:39:56 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:36:20 PM
I think this discussion misses the main point - it's not about where you ban kids, it's about parents being harebrained and bringing young kids to locales where it is clearly inappropriate. No, you don't need to bring your 4 yo to a dinner at a restaurant, or go to "family holidays" to Maldives involving a 16 hours trip on a plane.
When you decided to have a kid - more power to you - but that does involve certain sacrifices and you should not ignore them until "someone politely complains". If you come to a social occassion smelling of shit, or with a loud dog - it's not that you are in clear until "someone complains" - it's your onus not to let this happen in the first place.
It is amazing how you flail about like a crazy person and then come back and say something reasonable.
I am not sure how kids are not supposed to be at restaurants though. Or go on vacations. Just, you know, be polite.
If little kids were not supposed to be at restaurants then they would not have kids menus and provide high chairs and actively solicite parents with kids to come eat there. If kids were not supposed to be on vacations, tourism organizations would not be actively trying to market towards them and their parents. How is that a basic social expectation?
In an earlier discussion a parent put forward the idea that no one takes a little kid on a plane unless they have to, and someone could recall parents taking little kids on a long flight to a holiday destination which didn't exactly seem to imply that they were forced.
Valmy, if you have a young kid, you should take them on short time trips, not long time ones. How the fuck do you get "kids should not go on vacation" from "dont bring toddlers on a 16 hour trip".
See, this is the kind of retarded, arrogant entitlement attitude ("I will not accomodate my lifestyle to the fact that I have a kid, so the strangers may suffer") that I and others resent - and despite your protests to the contrary, you show it in ample quantity in this thread.
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Quote from: The Brain on July 14, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
In an earlier discussion a parent put forward the idea that no one takes a little kid on a plane unless they have to, and someone could recall parents taking little kids on a long flight to a holiday destination which didn't exactly seem to imply that they were forced.
Whether or not to take a kid on a plane depends on the kid, the length of the flight, etc. I've never had any problems with it.
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 14, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
In an earlier discussion a parent put forward the idea that no one takes a little kid on a plane unless they have to, and someone could recall parents taking little kids on a long flight to a holiday destination which didn't exactly seem to imply that they were forced.
Whether or not to take a kid on a plane depends on the kid, the length of the flight, etc. I've never had any problems with it.
Problem starts when they outgrow the overhead compartment.
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 14, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
In an earlier discussion a parent put forward the idea that no one takes a little kid on a plane unless they have to, and someone could recall parents taking little kids on a long flight to a holiday destination which didn't exactly seem to imply that they were forced.
Whether or not to take a kid on a plane depends on the kid, the length of the flight, etc. I've never had any problems with it.
I was just on a 6 hour trip to Canaries. There were about 10 little kids on the plane. At least one of them was wailing at any given time. So go fuck yourself.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 01:35:03 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:32:03 PM
Yet you're all bitching about it.
We are making fun of this guy as an attenion whore and saying he sounds like an ass. Not complaining about his "policy".
He is not an attention whore - unless he went to the press and asked them to write an article about him.
Guy *sounds* like an attention whore. His restaurant is on a golf course, meaning that dispite what he says, the number of young children going to it in the first place is almost certainly rather tiny.
QuoteThe attention whore is a cretin parent who brings a young kid to a restaurant.
Do you mean any restaurant?
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:44:00 PM
Valmy, if you have a young kid, you should take them on short time trips, not long time ones. How the fuck do you get "kids should not go on vacation" from "dont bring toddlers on a 16 hour trip".
Because the thing you have in parantheses was "family vacations" and I figured that was on a plane you happened to be on and not specifically related to only sixteen hour flights. My apologies.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:44:00 PM
Valmy, if you have a young kid, you should take them on short time trips, not long time ones.
Since when? Our little guy is probably more comfortable on a long trip than a short one, as he gets time to adjust and get sued to his new surroundings.
Quote from: Barrister on July 14, 2011, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:44:00 PM
Valmy, if you have a young kid, you should take them on short time trips, not long time ones.
Since when? Our little guy is probably more comfortable on a long trip than a short one, as he gets time to adjust and get sued to his new surroundings.
Travelling to the US?
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:49:12 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 14, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
In an earlier discussion a parent put forward the idea that no one takes a little kid on a plane unless they have to, and someone could recall parents taking little kids on a long flight to a holiday destination which didn't exactly seem to imply that they were forced.
Whether or not to take a kid on a plane depends on the kid, the length of the flight, etc. I've never had any problems with it.
I was just on a 6 hour trip to Canaries. There were about 10 little kids on the plane. At least one of them was wailing at any given time. So go fuck yourself.
I should go fuck myself because of what some people I've never met did? :hmm:
I wouldn't take a very young kid on a 6 hour flight. But a 5 year old like mine, who never "wails" these days, I'd have no problem with. Neither would you, because he wouldn't wail.
This thread is awesome.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:49:12 PM
I was just on a 6 hour trip to Canaries. There were about 10 little kids on the plane. At least one of them was wailing at any given time. So go fuck yourself.
So people with kids are supposed to become immobile?
Quote from: garbon on July 14, 2011, 01:54:21 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:49:12 PM
I was just on a 6 hour trip to Canaries. There were about 10 little kids on the plane. At least one of them was wailing at any given time. So go fuck yourself.
So people with kids are supposed to become immobile?
They can drive. Noone "has" to fly to a vacation spot. You are the one with a problem - you should accomodate others, not expect others to adjust. Some people suffer from diseases that result in a horrible body odor - it may not be their fault, but they are the ones expected to come up with an extra effort not to cause annoyance to others, not just shrug and have others suffer. It's basic courtesy.
"My kid is so quiet"
"Oh, my dog is all bark, he doesn't bite"
And yet here we are.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone admit that "Oh, my kid is a little whiney screamer." or "Watch out. The dog is rabid. He may look cute but he will take your fingers."
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
They can drive.
To the Canaries? :P
Well maybe they could take cruise...just not one Marty is on.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:49:12 PMI was just on a 6 hour trip to Canaries. There were about 10 little kids on the plane. At least one of them was wailing at any given time. So go fuck yourself.
If crying babies really bother you that much, I recommend that you look into something like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earplug). It's likely to be more effective than bitching on internet message boards.
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
I don't think I've ever heard anyone admit that "Oh, my kid is a little whiney screamer." or "Watch out. The dog is rabid. He may look cute but he will take your fingers."
Usually because if their dog bites he has probably already been put down.
No explanation on the kid part :ph34r:
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
"My kid is so quiet"
"Oh, my dog is all bark, he doesn't bite"
And yet here we are.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone admit that "Oh, my kid is a little whiney screamer." or "Watch out. The dog is rabid. He may look cute but he will take your fingers."
Well, if it's rabid it usually gets put down.
We just got a puppy, and when meeting other dogs for the first time it's pretty customary to ask "hey, is your dog good with puppies?" I've gotten a few honest "no, not at all" and even a few pre-emptive "my dog's not well socialized".
So you do hear accurate assesments sometimes.
But yeah, some people are idiots and that extends to how they manage their dog.
Quote from: Valmy on July 14, 2011, 01:57:03 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
They can drive.
To the Canaries? :P
Well maybe they could take cruise...just not one Marty is on.
They dont have to go to Canaries. Anyway, go fuck your porker and produce more screaming shits, and then act all surprised when people are annoyed. I'm thru with this thread.p
I sorta wish I had never bought that RV. I want to have my kids annoy people like Mart now.
We ask the owner of the dog, not the dog. Naturally. Dogs don't talk, you see.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 02:00:13 PM
They dont have to go to Canaries. Anyway, go fuck your porker and produce more screaming shits, and then act all surprised when people are annoyed. I'm thru with this thread.p
:lol:
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 14, 2011, 01:57:03 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
They can drive.
To the Canaries? :P
Well maybe they could take cruise...just not one Marty is on.
They dont have to go to Canaries. Anyway, go fuck your porker and produce more screaming shits, and then act all surprised when people are annoyed. I'm thru with this thread.p
RAGE QUIT!
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 14, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
I sorta wish I had never bought that RV. I want to have my kids annoy people like Mart now.
Yeah, I'm with you on that - other than the RV part. I'm going to feel much less bad about annoying people with a screaming baby once the time comes, due to Marty's temper tantrums. At least the baby has an excuse. Marty? Not so much.
And like I said, if babies always scream on the flights he's on he should spring for a pair of good quality earplugs.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 14, 2011, 02:01:52 PMRAGE QUIT!
Marty always makes promises he can't keep :(
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
"My kid is so quiet"
"Oh, my dog is all bark, he doesn't bite"
And yet here we are.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone admit that "Oh, my kid is a little whiney screamer." or "Watch out. The dog is rabid. He may look cute but he will take your fingers."
My cat may look like she's inviting a tummy-pat or ear sqeeze, but pat my cat on the tummy or squeeze her ears, and she'll take flesh.
I've actually warned people that. I've warned people on *Languish* that, eh BB? ;)
I used to wonder if Marty hates kids because he's gay. Now I wonder if Marty became gay just to not deal with children.
Quote from: Jacob on July 14, 2011, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
"My kid is so quiet"
"Oh, my dog is all bark, he doesn't bite"
And yet here we are.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone admit that "Oh, my kid is a little whiney screamer." or "Watch out. The dog is rabid. He may look cute but he will take your fingers."
Well, if it's rabid it usually gets put down.
We just got a puppy, and when meeting other dogs for the first time it's pretty customary to ask "hey, is your dog good with puppies?" I've gotten a few honest "no, not at all" and even a few pre-emptive "my dog's not well socialized".
So you do hear accurate assesments sometimes.
But yeah, some people are idiots and that extends to how they manage their dog.
I have to tell people that my one dog, the Rhodesian ridgeback cross, has occasionally had issues with dogs bigger than he is (he likes to be the alpha male) but is pleasant as can be with any other dog, and that my other dog (the Yukon husky mutt) is friendly as can be but jumps and is undisciplined.
In any event it looks like we're taking baby Tim to Brazil in the next year or two, which will be a very long flight. He's a pretty good traveller, and we'll do as much as we can to keep him occupied and quiet, but I can't guarantee he won't make some noise at some point. And if the Martinus's of the world don't like it, well I apologize but it's just the way it is.
Quote from: Barrister on July 14, 2011, 02:13:43 PM
Quote from: Jacob on July 14, 2011, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
"My kid is so quiet"
"Oh, my dog is all bark, he doesn't bite"
And yet here we are.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone admit that "Oh, my kid is a little whiney screamer." or "Watch out. The dog is rabid. He may look cute but he will take your fingers."
Well, if it's rabid it usually gets put down.
We just got a puppy, and when meeting other dogs for the first time it's pretty customary to ask "hey, is your dog good with puppies?" I've gotten a few honest "no, not at all" and even a few pre-emptive "my dog's not well socialized".
So you do hear accurate assesments sometimes.
But yeah, some people are idiots and that extends to how they manage their dog.
I have to tell people that my one dog, the Rhodesian ridgeback cross, has occasionally had issues with dogs bigger than he is (he likes to be the alpha male) but is pleasant as can be with any other dog, and that my other dog (the Yukon husky mutt) is friendly as can be but jumps and is undisciplined.
In any event it looks like we're taking baby Tim to Brazil in the next year or two, which will be a very long flight. He's a pretty good traveller, and we'll do as much as we can to keep him occupied and quiet, but I can't guarantee he won't make some noise at some point. And if the Martinus's of the world don't like it, well I apologize but it's just the way it is.
Well. That's the problem right there. You don't care if other people are inconvenienced by your choices because you feel entitled to go on your vacation whether your crotch fruit is a wailing banshee or not.
Personally, I will deal with it by headphones or ear plugs, but on a basic level the notion offends me.
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
Personally, I will deal with it by headphones or ear plugs, but on a basic level the notion offends me.
Yeah, but so much else offends you. If you met my family, I don't think the kid's wailing would even make the top 20. :D
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 02:24:38 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
Personally, I will deal with it by headphones or ear plugs, but on a basic level the notion offends me.
Yeah, but so much else offends you. If you met my family, I don't think the kid's wailing would even make the top 20. :D
Sure. Ideally the kid's wailing would be dampened by the steam.
However, that's not the point. Your stories of how picture perfect your life is have no value in a discussion of principles. You are the outlier.
Or possibly the outliar.
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 02:26:52 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 02:24:38 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
Personally, I will deal with it by headphones or ear plugs, but on a basic level the notion offends me.
Yeah, but so much else offends you. If you met my family, I don't think the kid's wailing would even make the top 20. :D
Sure. Ideally the kid's wailing would be dampened by the steam.
However, that's not the point. Your stories of how picture perfect your life is have no value in a discussion of principles. You are the outlier.
Or possibly the outliar.
"Picture perfect"? :huh:
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 02:29:35 PM
"Picture perfect"? :huh:
When you are surrounded by Somalians and Norwegians all the time any meagre existance looks picture perfect to you.
Quote from: Valmy on July 14, 2011, 02:30:56 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 02:29:35 PM
"Picture perfect"? :huh:
When you are surrounded by Somalians and Norwegians all the time any meagre existance looks picture perfect to you.
If you even suspected the veracity of that statement... :cry:
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 02:19:56 PM
Well. That's the problem right there. You don't care if other people are inconvenienced by your choices because you feel entitled to go on your vacation whether your crotch fruit is a wailing banshee or not.
Personally, I will deal with it by headphones or ear plugs, but on a basic level the notion offends me.
But I care evry much - and will do everything I can to avoid it.
But in the grand scheme of things, a few strangers being inconvenienced on a plane is outweighed by the desire for Tim to be at his Uncle's wedding and meet all of his new extended family.
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 02:06:51 PM
My cat may look like she's inviting a tummy-pat or ear sqeeze, but pat my cat on the tummy or squeeze her ears, and she'll take flesh.
I've actually warned people that. I've warned people on *Languish* that, eh BB? ;)
I love the crazed expression cats get when trying to eat my foot or my hand. :)
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
"My kid is so quiet"
"Oh, my dog is all bark, he doesn't bite"
And yet here we are.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone admit that "Oh, my kid is a little whiney screamer." or "Watch out. The dog is rabid. He may look cute but he will take your fingers."
My cat may look like she's inviting a tummy-pat or ear sqeeze, but pat my cat on the tummy or squeeze her ears, and she'll take flesh.
I've actually warned people that. I've warned people on *Languish* that, eh BB? ;)
I can confirm this story. :pinch:
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 01:56:52 PM
I don't think I've ever heard anyone admit that "Oh, my kid is a little whiney screamer."
I would if my kid was. My niece is, though come to think of it she's well-behaved in restaurants.
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 07:56:16 AMKnow what? A Black person was once rude to me. So was a gay person, a few years ago. I think that was in New York.
Clearly, we can't have Blacks and gays out in public. My experience proves that.
;)
clearly, but i spoke of parents and children, not blacks and gays ;)
my experience is an anecdote that, yes, contrary to what some in this thread have failed to notice in their lives, there are in fact parents who do not control their children. no where did i state that because of that boy and his father, no child should be allowed in a planetarium. that is ridiculous for obvious reasons. i mentioned this story because we are discussing children behaving rudely without parental supervision, so it is a bit disingenuous of you, imo, to wheel the discussion around to include rowdy behavior of non-children
however, a man who owns a private business is not simply talking out of his ass when he bans young children because they have the potential to ruin the atmosphere of the restaurant. there are other types of people with afflictions or what-have-you who might do the same, but it seems based off the quotes in the article that this disruption is the most common. he is not banning people with tourettes, he is banning children
@valmy: yes, they were behind me, and i said nothing
Quote from: LaCroix on July 14, 2011, 03:10:23 PM
@valmy: yes, they were behind me, and i said nothing
Ah well. Pity somebody didn't say anything you were probably not the only person annoyed by it. The parent might have been deluding himself that it was no big deal.
Quote from: LaCroix on July 14, 2011, 03:10:23 PM
however, a man who owns a private business is not simply talking out of his ass when he bans young children because they have the potential to ruin the atmosphere of the restaurant. there are other types of people with afflictions or what-have-you who might do the same, but it seems based off the quotes in the article that this disruption is the most common. he is not banning people with tourettes, he is banning children
Not really he is banning under six year olds. Was that kid behind you under 6?
In any case I think it is a good thing. If there are people out there, like Marty, who just cannot stand little kids it is good there are places that cater to them.
Quote from: Valmy on July 14, 2011, 03:12:28 PMAh well. Pity somebody didn't say anything you were probably not the only person annoyed by it. The parent might have been deluding himself that it was no big deal.
probably. i know it infuriated me. i turned around and looked at the culprits a number of times, but that's about it
i'm unsure of the child's age, but likely around 6-8. does this mean there are no children below that age that cause disturbances? of course not. if it had been in a restaurant setting then there would be less cause for concern, as talking typically occurs in such environments. i assume the owner has had problems in the past with screaming babies and loud and obnoxious children throwing tantrums
Quote from: LaCroix on July 14, 2011, 03:10:23 PM
clearly, but i spoke of parents and children, not blacks and gays ;)
It's okay to generalize from specific examples about parents and kids, but not about Blacks and gays? Why?
Quotemy experience is an anecdote that, yes, contrary to what some in this thread have failed to notice in their lives, there are in fact parents who do not control their children.
Sure it happens. The question is what frequency. Major problem or minor annoyance?
Quoteno where did i state that because of that boy and his father, no child should be allowed in a planetarium. that is ridiculous for obvious reasons. i mentioned this story because we are discussing children behaving rudely without parental supervision, so it is a bit disingenuous of you, imo, to wheel the discussion around to include rowdy behavior of non-children
Eh? not sure I understand you here.
My point is that people generalize unfairly about both children and non-children.
Quotehowever, a man who owns a private business is not simply talking out of his ass when he bans young children because they have the potential to ruin the atmosphere of the restaurant. there are other types of people with afflictions or what-have-you who might do the same, but it seems based off the quotes in the article that this disruption is the most common. he is not banning people with tourettes, he is banning children
He has every right to ban children if he wants.
But the statements in the article make him sound like an ass, and the fact that his restaurant is a golf course restaurant seems to indicate actual children choosing to dine there are rare. Making a big deal about what is likely a non-problem sounds like the very definition of an attention whore.
Situation would be different if it was (say) a fine dining restaurant near a kid-friendly tourist attraction that got people with kids attempting to dine there all the time, and if the guy did not exude so much snarky, assholish 'tude: "we'd love to have kids, but sadly that does not match the fine dining atmosphere that we are attempting to cultivate" or some such.
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:20:45 PM
It's okay to generalize from specific examples about parents and kids, but not about Blacks and gays? Why?
Tell me. Do you flip a coin when you enter a thread on the subject of whether you will defend or attack dissonance? :lol:
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 03:27:41 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:20:45 PM
It's okay to generalize from specific examples about parents and kids, but not about Blacks and gays? Why?
Tell me. Do you flip a coin when you enter a thread on the subject of whether you will defend or attack dissonance? :lol:
I'd respond if I understood the question. :huh:
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:20:45 PMIt's okay to generalize from specific examples about parents and kids, but not about Blacks and gays? Why?
Sure it happens. The question is what frequency. Major problem or minor annoyance?
Eh? not sure I understand you here.
My point is that people generalize unfairly about both children and non-children.
He has every right to ban children if he wants.
But the statements in the article make him sound like an ass, and the fact that his restaurant is a golf course restaurant seems to indicate actual children choosing to dine there are rare. Making a big deal about what is likely a non-problem sounds like the very definition of an attention whore.
Situation would be different if it was (say) a fine dining restaurant near a kid-friendly tourist attraction that got people with kids attempting to dine there all the time, and if the guy did not exude so much snarky, assholish 'tude: "we'd love to have kids, but sadly that does not match the fine dining atmosphere that we are attempting to cultivate" or some such.
this is a thread discussing unruly children and their parents who fail to control them. two forces are at play here; the parent would not be an obstruction if the child was not present. for all intents and purposes, aside from letting their offspring run amuck, they themselves have committed no disturbance on their own part. they decided to bring the child; they could have left the child elsewhere
i assume that, because we are having this discussion, the restaurant and its owner experienced this with enough frequency to decide that it was worth it to his business to restrict children of a certain age knowing that he would lose a particular market. to him, it was a major problem, or we would not be having this discussion
you say his statements make him sound like an ass, but i don't see that. i see a frustrated individual. i don't think either of us can say with certainty how many unruly children caused problems at his restaurant, golf course or no golf course, but i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that it caused enough problems. maybe only one horrible child and their awful parents caused this ban, or maybe it occurred on a semi-regular basis. people eat at golf course restaurants without having any interest in the golf aspect--maybe the food/service/atmosphere is excellent enough
"making a big deal about what is likely a non-problem" :lol: i'm not sure anyone in this thread can say one way or another, unless they attended or worked at mcdain's constantly pre-ban
the tourist attraction might work if you could prove that hardly any children ever went to mcdain's before this ban. we just don't know
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 03:27:41 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:20:45 PM
It's okay to generalize from specific examples about parents and kids, but not about Blacks and gays? Why?
Tell me. Do you flip a coin when you enter a thread on the subject of whether you will defend or attack dissonance? :lol:
I'd respond if I understood the question. :huh:
In this thread, you decry dissonance. [See, discrimination of families as opposed to noggers or fags]
In the yarmulke thread [see what I did there?] you dismiss resonance. [See, demanding "sincerity" of religious practice.]
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Quote from: LaCroix on July 14, 2011, 03:42:01 PM
this is a thread discussing unruly children and their parents who fail to control them. two forces are at play here; the parent would not be an obstruction if the child was not present. for all intents and purposes, aside from letting their offspring run amuck, they themselves have committed no disturbance on their own part. they decided to bring the child; they could have left the child elsewhere
i assume that, because we are having this discussion, the restaurant and its owner experienced this with enough frequency to decide that it was worth it to his business to restrict children of a certain age knowing that he would lose a particular market. to him, it was a major problem, or we would not be having this discussion
you say his statements make him sound like an ass, but i don't see that. i see a frustrated individual. i don't think either of us can say with certainty how many unruly children caused problems at his restaurant, golf course or no golf course, but i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that it caused enough problems. maybe only one horrible child and their awful parents caused this ban, or maybe it occurred on a semi-regular basis. people eat at golf course restaurants without having any interest in the golf aspect--maybe the food/service/atmosphere is excellent enough
"making a big deal about what is likely a non-problem" :lol: i'm not sure anyone in this thread can say one way or another, unless they attended or worked at mcdain's constantly pre-ban
the tourist attraction might work if you could prove that hardly any children ever went to mcdain's before this ban. we just don't know
I should point out that this only became a story because the guy didn't just make his no-kids policy, he emailed it out to his regular customer list:
QuoteA local ABC affiliate reported that Mike Vuick, owner of McDain's in Monroeville, Pa., sent this email to his customers letting them know that kidlets would soon be non grata:
"Beginning July 16, 2011, McDain's Restaurant will no longer admit children under six years of age. We feel that McDain's is not a place for young children. Their volume can't be controlled and many, many times, they have disturbed other customers."
Two things to note about this:
(1) A mass email of a restaurant's policy is, to say the least, unusual; and
(2) It is on its face snarky, offensive and inaccurate: "Their volume can't be controlled". A five-year-old's volume most definitely can be controlled. I'd be pissed no end if my five-year-old started yelling in public!
I find it incredible that this golf course restraurant's seating policy is of such overwhelming significance as to merit a mass-email, even if a golf course restaurant is inundated by kids (which is hardly credible) - so I diagnose an attention-whore.
And it will probably work, too. All the publicity will no doubt draw new customers and those with kids, most of whom would never dream of going there anyway, will stay away. It's a win.
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 03:27:41 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:20:45 PM
It's okay to generalize from specific examples about parents and kids, but not about Blacks and gays? Why?
Tell me. Do you flip a coin when you enter a thread on the subject of whether you will defend or attack dissonance? :lol:
I'd respond if I understood the question. :huh:
In this thread, you decry dissonance. [See, discrimination of families as opposed to noggers or fags]
In the yarmulke thread [see what I did there?] you dismiss resonance. [See, demanding "sincerity" of religious practice.]
[/s]
I still have no clue what you are saying. :(
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:52:13 PMI should point out that this only became a story because the guy didn't just make his no-kids policy, he emailed it out to his regular customer list:
QuoteA local ABC affiliate reported that Mike Vuick, owner of McDain's in Monroeville, Pa., sent this email to his customers letting them know that kidlets would soon be non grata:
"Beginning July 16, 2011, McDain's Restaurant will no longer admit children under six years of age. We feel that McDain's is not a place for young children. Their volume can't be controlled and many, many times, they have disturbed other customers."
Two things to note about this:
(1) A mass email of a restaurant's policy is, to say the least, unusual; and
(2) It is on its face snarky, offensive and inaccurate: "Their volume can't be controlled". A five-year-old's volume most definitely can be controlled. I'd be pissed no end if my five-year-old started yelling in public!
I find it incredible that this golf course restraurant's seating policy is of such overwhelming significance as to merit a mass-email, even if a golf course restaurant is inundated by kids (which is hardly credible) - so I diagnose an attention-whore.
And it will probably work, too. All the publicity will no doubt draw new customers and those with kids, most of whom would never dream of going there anyway, will stay away. It's a win.
hmm, you have a point there about the email. :hmm: i must have skimmed over that--i fail at languish :( ;)
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:53:43 PMI still have no clue what you are saying. :(
I was going to try to parse it and rephrase it, but I can't make heads or tails of it either.
Possibly Slargos wrote "resonance" when he meant "dissonance" when he was talking about the religious head gear discussion?
Hmm, I honestly can't remember any specific time when kids have behaved in a way that consciously bothered me. :mellow: Maybe it's because I avoid air travel and don't go to nice restaurants very often, but children are mostly a harmless enigma to me.
Only thing that gets to me a bit are kids in bars, since all the smoking bans seem to be encouraging people to bring them along. In a friendly pub-type setting it's fine, but when you are in an American-style drinkin' bar, sucking down your mid-day gin or crying into your beer, it's a little uncomfortable. :alberta:
I cant help it if you are too slow. i will elaborate once im on real keyboard.
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
They can drive. Noone "has" to fly to a vacation spot. You are the one with a problem - you should accomodate others, not expect others to adjust. Some people suffer from diseases that result in a horrible body odor - it may not be their fault, but they are the ones expected to come up with an extra effort not to cause annoyance to others, not just shrug and have others suffer. It's basic courtesy.
Oh so having a kid means you need to go places inefficiently.
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 07:56:16 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on July 14, 2011, 01:04:36 AM
i went to a planetarium in san francisco last year. for about 70% of the time, some little fuck in the row behind me kept talking. his father said and did nothing to stop him. it irritated me to no end, and pretty much ruined the experience. the father could have simply told his son to shush and be quiet as the display ran its course, but no. he did nothing
given that mcdain's is a fine dining restaurant, i've no issue that the owner wants to ban little fuckers from entering. everything he said in the article seemed perfectly reasonable
Know what? A Black person was once rude to me. So was a gay person, a few years ago. I think that was in New York.
Clearly, we can't have Blacks and gays out in public. My experience proves that.
;)
<_<
I can imagine that a flight to the Canaries would be unpleasant, it is that sort of destination.
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:53:43 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 14, 2011, 03:27:41 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 03:20:45 PM
It's okay to generalize from specific examples about parents and kids, but not about Blacks and gays? Why?
Tell me. Do you flip a coin when you enter a thread on the subject of whether you will defend or attack dissonance? :lol:
I'd respond if I understood the question. :huh:
In this thread, you decry dissonance. [See, discrimination of families as opposed to noggers or fags]
In the yarmulke thread [see what I did there?] you dismiss resonance. [See, demanding "sincerity" of religious practice.]
[/s]
I still have no clue what you are saying. :(
I'm sorry. I guess I wasn't clear enough.
I was saying you are dissonant when it suits you, but you reserve the right to complain about dissonance in others aswell. IE you're a fucking hypocrite.
I guess I could've said that at once.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on July 14, 2011, 06:15:02 PM
Hmm, I honestly can't remember any specific time when kids have behaved in a way that consciously bothered me. :mellow: Maybe it's because I avoid air travel and don't go to nice restaurants very often, but children are mostly a harmless enigma to me.
Only thing that gets to me a bit are kids in bars, since all the smoking bans seem to be encouraging people to bring them along. In a friendly pub-type setting it's fine, but when you are in an American-style drinkin' bar, sucking down your mid-day gin or crying into your beer, it's a little uncomfortable. :alberta:
Especially when they are getting more attention from the single chicks than you. :(
;)
Touché. :mad:
Quote from: Slargos on July 15, 2011, 07:47:00 AM
I'm sorry. I guess I wasn't clear enough.
I was saying you are dissonant when it suits you, but you reserve the right to complain about dissonance in others aswell. IE you're a fucking hypocrite.
I guess I could've said that at once.
Honestly, no snark, I think this is a language thing. I don't know what you mean by "a dissonant" or "dissonance in others".
Quote from: Malthus on July 14, 2011, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Martinus on July 14, 2011, 01:49:12 PM
I was just on a 6 hour trip to Canaries. There were about 10 little kids on the plane. At least one of them was wailing at any given time. So go fuck yourself.
I should go fuck myself because of what some people I've never met did? :hmm:
I wouldn't take a very young kid on a 6 hour flight. But a 5 year old like mine, who never "wails" these days, I'd have no problem with. Neither would you, because he wouldn't wail.
He would if he was stuck on a flight with Farti.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 13, 2011, 02:22:06 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 13, 2011, 12:37:20 PM
I've eaten out a few times with my sisters
Wow I totally read this wrong at first. :lol:
You're not the only one. :P