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Started by Sheilbh, May 11, 2013, 07:37:35 PM

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derspiess

Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2013, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2013, 10:11:17 AM

:lol:

:mellow:

It's when you do shit like that that I stop paying any attention to your arguments.

I laughed because it sounded eerily similar to Hillary's bitchy response during her congressional hearing.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

merithyn

Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2013, 10:31:07 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 10:08:23 AM

Incompetence

I would argue that it was a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less. A mistake that had zero impact on anything in the short- and long-term, even.


So, a government mistake, whether under a GOP or Dem administration should not be looked into? You trust your government that much? Were not talk conspiracy shit, just oversight and accountability. 

Oh, this Benghazi incident will have effects in DoS procedures.

But it's pretty clear what the mistake is! You're talking as if we don't already understand what happened. EVERYONE knows what happened. What kind of "oversight" and "accountability" is necessary for misspeaking at a press conference after something goes wrong?

And yes, I know you're talking about the deaths in Benghazi, except that that's not what's being investigated, is it? No one is talking about what to do next to protect our embassadors. No. The focus is on who said what when in the days following the tragedy.
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

11B4V

Quote from: sbr on May 13, 2013, 10:53:36 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2013, 10:31:07 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 10:08:23 AM

Incompetence

I would argue that it was a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less. A mistake that had zero impact on anything in the short- and long-term, even.


So, a government mistake, whether under a GOP or Dem administration should not be looked into? You trust your government that much? Were not talk conspiracy shit, just oversight and accountability. 

Oh, this Benghazi incident will have effects in DoS procedures.

What was the "mistake" in your opinion, not giving them more security, or mis-speaking about the root cause of the attack?

Both.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

11B4V

Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2013, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2013, 10:31:07 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 10:08:23 AM

Incompetence

I would argue that it was a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less. A mistake that had zero impact on anything in the short- and long-term, even.


So, a government mistake, whether under a GOP or Dem administration should not be looked into? You trust your government that much? Were not talk conspiracy shit, just oversight and accountability. 

Oh, this Benghazi incident will have effects in DoS procedures.

But it's pretty clear what the mistake is! You're talking as if we don't already understand what happened. EVERYONE knows what happened. What kind of "oversight" and "accountability" is necessary for misspeaking at a press conference after something goes wrong?

And yes, I know you're talking about the deaths in Benghazi, except that that's not what's being investigated, is it? No one is talking about what to do next to protect our embassadors. No. The focus is on who said what when in the days following the tragedy.

Misleading.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Neil

Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
So, a government mistake, whether under a GOP or Dem administration should not be looked into? You trust your government that much? Were not talk conspiracy shit, just oversight and accountability. 
There is a cost vs. reward calculation to be done there.  The administration can look into their security procedures, but under no circumstances should Congress be getting involved.  If you're talking about incompetence, why would you have the absolute least competent organization in the United States federal government hold hearings about it?  Unless of course your goal isn't to do anything but to try and turn this thing into some electoral hay for midterms next year.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
So, a government mistake, whether under a GOP or Dem administration should not be looked into?

Ok but it's not like this particular snafu has suffered from lack of inquiry.

There are a lot of other mistakes that probably merit some attention.  For example, rather than engage in the 14th investigation of Benghazi, maybe some of the geniuses who are up in lather about the Kenyan socialists should ask themselves why 3-4 years after the collapse of Fannie and Freddie, the US federal government has in effect a monopoly over residential mortgage finance.  It's not like it is a big deal - only a few trillion dollars or so.  Clearly it is more important to examine in minute detail how the Secretary of State micro-managed consular security detail assignments.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

11B4V

Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2013, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2013, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2013, 10:11:17 AM

:lol:

:mellow:

It's when you do shit like that that I stop paying any attention to your arguments.

I laughed because it sounded eerily similar to Hillary's bitchy response during her congressional hearing.

What an absolute horrible answer that Hillary gave.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

garbon

Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 11:00:43 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2013, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2013, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2013, 10:11:17 AM

:lol:

:mellow:

It's when you do shit like that that I stop paying any attention to your arguments.

I laughed because it sounded eerily similar to Hillary's bitchy response during her congressional hearing.

What an absolute horrible answer that Hillary gave.

Otherwise known as the appropriate answer.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

11B4V

Quote from: Neil on May 13, 2013, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
So, a government mistake, whether under a GOP or Dem administration should not be looked into? You trust your government that much? Were not talk conspiracy shit, just oversight and accountability. 
If you're talking about incompetence, why would you have the absolute least competent organization in the United States federal government hold hearings about it? 

:lol: So congress should not investigate anything..... Watergate, Iraq, 911, IRS, Wall Street..etc. Try again.

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

merithyn

Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2013, 10:54:39 AM
I laughed because it sounded eerily similar to Hillary's bitchy response during her congressional hearing.

It's a fair question under the circumstances. I'm sure plenty of people have asked that same question. I don't get why it's funny.

Oh right. Because Hilary and I are both women, so it must be a woman thing. Ha. Ha. Ha. I get it. Yeah.. that's a real knee-slapper.


:rolleyes:
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

11B4V

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 13, 2013, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
So, a government mistake, whether under a GOP or Dem administration should not be looked into?

Ok but it's not like this particular snafu has suffered from lack of inquiry.

There are a lot of other mistakes that probably merit some attention.  For example, rather than engage in the 14th investigation of Benghazi, maybe some of the geniuses who are up in lather about the Kenyan socialists should ask themselves why 3-4 years after the collapse of Fannie and Freddie, the US federal government has in effect a monopoly over residential mortgage finance.  It's not like it is a big deal - only a few trillion dollars or so.  Clearly it is more important to examine in minute detail how the Secretary of State micro-managed consular security detail assignments.

Surely, your on point.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

11B4V

Quote from: garbon on May 13, 2013, 11:03:06 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 13, 2013, 11:00:43 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2013, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: merithyn on May 13, 2013, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2013, 10:11:17 AM

:lol:

:mellow:

It's when you do shit like that that I stop paying any attention to your arguments.

I laughed because it sounded eerily similar to Hillary's bitchy response during her congressional hearing.

What an absolute horrible answer that Hillary gave.

Otherwise known as the appropriate answer.

If you say so. :rolleyes:
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

derspiess

Quote from: Neil on May 13, 2013, 10:59:32 AM
If you're talking about incompetence, why would you have the absolute least competent organization in the United States federal government hold hearings about it?  Unless of course your goal isn't to do anything but to try and turn this thing into some electoral hay for midterms next year.

That's a good point.  How about we go ahead and appoint a special prosecutor to look into it?  ;)
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Razgovory

11B4V, if someone burns down your house while you aren't home does this prove you are incompetent?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

11B4V

Quote from: Razgovory on May 13, 2013, 11:11:54 AM
11B4V, if someone burns down your house while you aren't home does this prove you are incompetent?

Let me rephrase that to keep you on point.

Raz if someone kills you, after a lack of security has been identified, your request for more security is denied, does this prove incompetence? 
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".