Tea Partiers harassed by IRS?

[11B4V]

I have to say the Benghazi bit is rather dull. Let's say there was a coverup - is the contention that if the American people had known The Truth™ the election would have gone the other way?

I dont even think the GOP could have determined that with certainty before the election. Wasnt enough time.

Then why does it matter?

Incompetence

[derspiess]

I have to say the Benghazi bit is rather dull. Let's say there was a coverup - is the contention that if the American people had known The Truth™ the election would have gone the other way?

I dont even think the GOP could have determined that with certainty before the election. Wasnt enough time.

Then why does it matter?

[merithyn]

Incompetence

I would argue that it was a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less. A mistake that had zero impact on anything in the short- and long-term, even.

The problem is that there are those who view any mistake, however small and inconsequential, as tantamount to treason. It's exactly for that reason that I stopped paying any attention to the GOP shills. Now that there's something that might actually be an issue (the IRS thing), I kind of find myself not really giving a shit, in a kind of "serves them right" kind of way.

There's such a thing as picking your battles, and that seems to be completely lost on the GOP anymore.

[frunk]

Incompetence

Any incompetence was related to needing more security in Benghazi, not what the administration said after the event.  I don't understand why it was expected that they would know exactly who did what and with what motive within hours of the event.  I understand even less why people are so obsessed with fairly trivial and meaningless mistakes in attribution until more facts became clear.  It would have been better for the administration to say "we don't know at this time the motives of the attackers, but we will soon" but only in twenty four hour news land does it matter that the stated understanding of the administration for the motives of attackers changed.  If this occurred within days of the election and the delay in information would have potentially changed the result I could buy it, but it isn't even close to that.

The important facts are:
A US ambassador was killed because of a well executed attack that took advantage of less than ideal security.
The security situation resulted from a lack of appreciation of the potential danger in Libya by the administration (despite warnings and requests for more security).

All this nonsense about what was said when is a distraction from this more important issue, and most likely a colossal waste of everybody's time.

[merithyn]

It's when you do shit like that that I stop paying any attention to your arguments.

[garbon]

I would argue that it was a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less. A mistake that had zero impact on anything in the short- and long-term, even.

Yeah that's what I don't get. If it was a mistake that still led to the same outcome, had the mistake not been made, then I don't really know why we should be all up in arms - here in May of 2013.

[garbon]

Btw, when I saw the headline, this weekend, about McCain pushing for more investigation into the matter, I couldn't help but think it was time for that old dude to retire.

[Berkut]

Btw, when I saw the headline, this weekend, about McCain pushing for more investigation into the matter, I couldn't help but think it was time for that old dude to retire.

I love John, but cannot disagree. He has been nothing but a shill for the worst parts of the Republican Party since 2002. Which I do not understand, what is it that he has to gain at this point?

[Queequeg]

Incompetence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

[The Minsky Moment]

Anyways . . .
I think it is justifiable to try to identify bogus 501(c)(3)s by text searching for political-like terms, including the very ones used by this Cinci office.  However, obviously it was a big no-no to *only* search for those terms favored by TP types as opposed to a broader set of political terms that cover the ideological spectrum.

[11B4V]

Incompetence

I would argue that it was a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less. A mistake that had zero impact on anything in the short- and long-term, even.

So, a government mistake, whether under a GOP or Dem administration should not be looked into? You trust your government that much? Were not talk conspiracy shit, just oversight and accountability. 

Oh, this Benghazi incident will have effects in DoS procedures.

[Razgovory]

I have to say the Benghazi bit is rather dull. Let's say there was a coverup - is the contention that if the American people had known The Truth™ the election would have gone the other way?

I dont even think the GOP could have determined that with certainty before the election. Wasnt enough time.

Then why does it matter?

Incompetence

Why does it have to be incompetence?

[11B4V]

Incompetence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

Two thumbs and read my post above.

[11B4V]

More IRS BS

(Newser) – The IRS scandal goes beyond the Tea Party: Documents show that over the past two years while evaluating applications for tax-exempt status, officials also zeroed in on groups that criticized the government or educated Americans about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights; as well as groups that were interested in taxes, government spending, or government debt; limiting or expanding the government; improving America; or "social economic reform."

The documents show how the Cincinnati office frequently redefined the types of groups that should be targeted for increased scrutiny, even after division chief Lois Lerner objected in June 2011, the Washington Post reports. In March 2012, then-IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman testified before Congress that the IRS was not singling out conservative groups, the Wall Street Journal reports. It wasn't until May 2012 that a neutral policy was adopted, with the IRS agreeing to target any group that was significantly concerned with political campaigns. The documents don't make it clear who the decision-maker was, Reuters reports.

[sbr]

Incompetence

I would argue that it was a mistake. Nothing more, nothing less. A mistake that had zero impact on anything in the short- and long-term, even.

So, a government mistake, whether under a GOP or Dem administration should not be looked into? You trust your government that much? Were not talk conspiracy shit, just oversight and accountability. 

Oh, this Benghazi incident will have effects in DoS procedures.

What was the "mistake" in your opinion, not giving them more security, or mis-speaking about the root cause of the attack?