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Started by Slargos, December 01, 2009, 07:19:31 AM

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Neil

Quote from: Grallon on December 01, 2009, 08:33:40 AM
QuoteA pair of Christian hoteliers who argued with a Muslim guest have been charged with a "religiously aggravated" public order offence.


This is what some were refering to in the minarets thread when they were talking about religion creeping back in the public sphere.  And this is something that's been growing since the increase in mass immigration from the poorer parts of the planet.  The problem is not a muslim bitch screaming abuse (don't they always, for anything and everything?) - but overzealous officials scrambling to avoid offending minorities...

Tcha!  <_<
Exactly.  Whiny, victim mentality is a fact of life for everyone these days.  The problem is that the authorities have embraced moral cowardice.

You know, I'm going to miss liberalism and the enlightenment when they're gone, but they seem to be evolving to a point where they can no longer defend themselves.
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Neil

Quote from: Jaron on December 01, 2009, 09:38:12 AM
It would be the same if it was a Jewish person who walked in and the couple started to heckle over the question of why the Jews killed Jesus. If that was the case, I imagine there would be more compassion.
I rather doubt it.
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Quote from: Neil on December 01, 2009, 09:40:45 AM
Quote from: Grallon on December 01, 2009, 08:33:40 AM
QuoteA pair of Christian hoteliers who argued with a Muslim guest have been charged with a "religiously aggravated" public order offence.


This is what some were refering to in the minarets thread when they were talking about religion creeping back in the public sphere.  And this is something that's been growing since the increase in mass immigration from the poorer parts of the planet.  The problem is not a muslim bitch screaming abuse (don't they always, for anything and everything?) - but overzealous officials scrambling to avoid offending minorities...

Tcha!  <_<
Exactly.  Whiny, victim mentality is a fact of life for everyone these days.  The problem is that the authorities have embraced moral cowardice.

You know, I'm going to miss liberalism and the enlightenment when they're gone, but they seem to be evolving to a point where they can no longer defend themselves.

Seeing how liberalism/enlightenment is the only system that has not only survived the last two hundred years, but has thrived and defeated all other systems that attempted to challenge it (nazism, communism, absolutism etc.), I think your prophecies of its demise are grossly premature.

Sahib

Quote from: Grallon on December 01, 2009, 09:07:04 AM
As I said above - the officials should have dismissed this as frivolous - a private quarrel between citizens since from what we know it was a divergence of opinion on religion.  Nothing that should concern the State or its representatives.  At least that's what should be happening in a lay society, unless violence is used - in which case criminal law is invoked.

And unless there's more that hasn't been published, this looks like a typical case of triumphant multi-culturalism: punish members of the majority whenever some shrill representative of a visible minority makes a complaint.


IIRC (from other forum when this discussed) there was state money involved, as people they were housing were some sort of convalescent. From that point of view, I would say it was the Christian couple that were "shrill" in this case.
Should police be involved? Well, on principle, I would say no. But I'm also opposing the tabloidesque spin this story was given and your genocidal ideas.
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Jaron

Quote from: Neil on December 01, 2009, 09:44:47 AM
Quote from: Jaron on December 01, 2009, 09:38:12 AM
It would be the same if it was a Jewish person who walked in and the couple started to heckle over the question of why the Jews killed Jesus. If that was the case, I imagine there would be more compassion.
I rather doubt it.

Oh please. Whenever Jews are accosted, everyone on this forum comes running with open arms like a worried soccer mom.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Caliga on December 01, 2009, 08:30:16 AM
Question:  Has the UK ever had freedom of speech to the extent that it is guaranteed by law in the US?  I don't automatically assume all of the Western democracies do.... I mean look at Germany with the whole Nazi situation.

The thing with Germany isn't for their benefit it's for ours!  It was either that or we just killed them all.
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Caliga

Quote from: Razgovory on December 01, 2009, 10:02:22 AM
The thing with Germany isn't for their benefit it's for ours!  It was either that or we just killed them all.
:huh: Where did I say it was for anyone's benefit?  It was just a statement of fact on my part.
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Quote from: Grallon on December 01, 2009, 08:33:40 AM
The problem is not a muslim bitch screaming abuse but overzealous officials scrambling to avoid offending minorities...

Indeed. We really shouldn't blame the Muslims for Britain having shitty laws.
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Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on December 01, 2009, 11:02:51 AM
I'm afraid I couldn't possibly comment  :zipped:
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Valmy

Maybe this is the tyranny of the British Monarchy we fought against in the Revolution.  The thought police of Elizabeth II are everywhere.

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Faeelin

Sounds ridiculous, but I need more info about the statute and facts to give an opinion.

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Quote from: Faeelin on December 01, 2009, 11:24:54 AM
Sounds ridiculous, but I need more info about the statute and facts to give an opinion.

That isn't the Languish/internet way.  :mad:
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