British Freedom of Speech withered, dying

[Neil]

Do they attempt culture enriching in school these days?  They didn't when I was a lad, but that was back when official multiculturalism was in it's infancy, and was still mostly based on anti-Americanism.

[Warspite]

The poor muslim dude though, marries an English girl who then converts to some strict form of Islam, manages to get him involved in some ludicrous tiff at a hotel breakfast and probably gives him a bollocking if he ever dares to have a pint with his mates after an Everton match 

Yes, and here you hit upon the real problem: women.

[Jacob]

Not to mention the 'ennemies' were external - now we simply invite them in!  Perhaps that's the real symptom of decadence: the unwillingness to fight for one's beliefs?  What was that quote again...  about civilizations dying not from external threats but from internal corruption...?

What are your beliefs, by the way Grallon?  From your posts here it seems that they are that life and love is futile and that muslims are subhuman.  Not much there to fight for, to be honest.

[garbon]

Western society/"our way of life" was collapsing because black people were allowed to vote. Or marry. Or women were allowed to vote. Or gay people were tolerated. Or, of course, them damn furriners are taking over. Or because the damn heretics are taking over/being tolerated. The Catholics are coming! The Catholics are going! The protestants are ruining everything! The Damned Sunnis are coming in! Oh no it's the huegenots!

Look at the state of America today and tell me they were wrong.

[garbon]

Do they attempt culture enriching in school these days?  They didn't when I was a lad, but that was back when official multiculturalism was in it's infancy, and was still mostly based on anti-Americanism.

I had a class on world cultures in highschool. To learn about the caste system, we had a day where the upper caste could force the lower castes to do whatever we wanted (in reason...somewhat). The lower castes hated us.

[Caliga]

Did you get to be a brahmin, garbo?

[dps]

A pair of Christian hoteliers who argued with a Muslim guest have been charged with a "religiously aggravated" public order offence.

This is what some were refering to in the minarets thread when they were talking about religion creeping back in the public sphere.  And this is something that's been growing since the increase in mass immigration from the poorer parts of the planet.  The problem is not a muslim bitch screaming abuse (don't they always, for anything and everything?) - but overzealous officials scrambling to avoid offending minorities...

Tcha! 




G.

I have the same contempt for multi-culturalism that you do.  The problem is, multi-culturalism isn't what it pretends to be.  What it actually is in practice boils down to a vague belief that white males are the cause of all the world's problems, and that we should feel guilty and defer to anyone who isn't a white male (and for this purpose, Muslims, no matter what their ethnic or national background, count as non-white, but Jews count as white, so veiled, or, indeed, not-so-veiled anti-Semitism is OK).  I reject that.  What it claims to be, OTOH, is tolerance for people with other cultural backgrounds.  I don't reject that, but it appears that you do, at least when it comes to Muslims.

[garbon]

I have the same contempt for multi-culturalism that you do.  The problem is, multi-culturalism isn't what it pretends to be.  What it actually is in practice boils down to a vague belief that white males are the cause of all the world's problems, and that we should feel guilty and defer to anyone who isn't a white male (and for this purpose, Muslims, no matter what their ethnic or national background, count as non-white, but Jews count as white, so veiled, or, indeed, not-so-veiled anti-Semitism is OK).  I reject that. 

That's because you're white, isn't it?

[garbon]

Did you get to be a brahmin, garbo?

If I recall correctly, I was supposed to be of the lowest caste but I cheated in whatever the selection process was so that I'd be high up. Faked my caste.

[dps]

I have the same contempt for multi-culturalism that you do.  The problem is, multi-culturalism isn't what it pretends to be.  What it actually is in practice boils down to a vague belief that white males are the cause of all the world's problems, and that we should feel guilty and defer to anyone who isn't a white male (and for this purpose, Muslims, no matter what their ethnic or national background, count as non-white, but Jews count as white, so veiled, or, indeed, not-so-veiled anti-Semitism is OK).  I reject that. 

That's because you're white, isn't it?

Possibly.

[bogh]

I have the same contempt for multi-culturalism that you do.  The problem is, multi-culturalism isn't what it pretends to be.  What it actually is in practice boils down to a vague belief that white males are the cause of all the world's problems, and that we should feel guilty and defer to anyone who isn't a white male (and for this purpose, Muslims, no matter what their ethnic or national background, count as non-white, but Jews count as white, so veiled, or, indeed, not-so-veiled anti-Semitism is OK).  I reject that.  What it claims to be, OTOH, is tolerance for people with other cultural backgrounds.  I don't reject that, but it appears that you do, at least when it comes to Muslims.

Oh yeah, the supposed multi-culturalist ideology that anyone not bent on spiting Muslims in every conceivable and completely illiberal fashion apparently espouses.

Great strawman, right there.

[Grallon]

...  What it claims to be, OTOH, is tolerance for people with other cultural backgrounds.  I don't reject that, but it appears that you do, at least when it comes to Muslims.

One must differentiate the value of an individual as a person and the value of the collectivity these persons are a product of/originate from. 

I'll be tolerant of a man (insert any muslim background here) with his wife wearing a burqa and walking 3 steps behind, if I see this on TV, in a documentary about the quaint customs of some faraway land - not if I see it in the Montreal subway like I did some time ago. 

Seing such a thing here means that this person does not intend to adopt the value (shared by most in his new country) that women are the equals of men (otherwise she wouldn't have been wearing that overheated mobile tent (she was actually stumbling in it!), and wouldn't have been walking behind her 'lord') - but raher that he can 'eat his cake and keep it too'.  That is: globalization and the ambiant multiculturalism allows him to keep on living as if he was still in the algerian backcountry while at the same time benefiting from a relative stability and prosperity *denied* him in his original country *because* of said retrograde values and/or customs. 

In other words the man is a parasite!  Now if you add many more thousands like him, every year - who are allowed, by our negligence and misplaced sense of fairness, to believe they can 'eat it and keep it' - you'll end up having a problem.  Because at some point they'll be numerous enough to demand that such and such custom be enshrined in the law.  And they'll have the right of it since there will have been precedents, for years on end.




G.

[garbon]

How could you have a law that prevents a man from having his wife walk behind him?

[derspiess]

Do they attempt culture enriching in school these days?  They didn't when I was a lad, but that was back when official multiculturalism was in it's infancy, and was still mostly based on anti-Americanism.

Yeah, it wasn't as bad when I was a kid, but it was there.  It was a far cry from that one school in California where you were required to "be a Muslim" for a couple weeks.

[Grallon]

How could you have a law that prevents a man from having his wife walk behind him?

Contrarian is thy name, and disingenuous is thy middle name.

One does not make a law to prevent such a thing - one simply does not allow people who believe in such things to enter one's country!




G.