Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Valmy]

Well, international NATO units are already in the Baltics. Not huge amounts, but also not so few that IMHO those countries could just bail if Russia invades.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_136388.htm

As of February 2025, the eight battlegroups are composed of the following Allies:

Host nation: Bulgaria
Framework nation: Italy
Contributing nations: Albania, Croatia, Greece, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Türkiye and the United States

Host nation: Estonia
Framework nation: United Kingdom
Contributing nations: France

Host nation: Hungary
Framework nation: Hungary
Contributing nations: Croatia, Italy, Türkiye and the United States

Host nation: Latvia
Framework nation: Canada
Contributing nations: Albania, Czechia, Iceland, Italy, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden

Host nation: Lithuania
Framework nation: Germany
Contributing nations: Belgium, Czechia, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Norway

Host nation: Poland
Framework nation: United States
Contributing nations: Croatia, Romania and the United Kingdom

Host nation: Romania
Framework nation: France
Contributing nations: Belgium and Luxembourg

Host nation: Slovakia
Framework nation: Spain
Contributing nations: Czechia, Portugal and Slovenia

Ok so this kind of already exists. Just needs to be bigger, more unified, more European, and include troops in Ukraine.

[mongers]

Europe reacts:

European Union foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas
Kallas said it was clear that "the free world needs a new leader".

"Ukraine is Europe! We stand by Ukraine," Kallas said in a social media post.

"We will step up our support to Ukraine so that they can continue to fight back [against] the aggressor," she added. "Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It's up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge."

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk

"Dear Ukrainian friends, you are not alone," Tusk posted on X

Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson
"Sweden stands with Ukraine. You are not only fighting for your freedom but also for all of Europe's. Slava Ukraini!" he wrote on X.

EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen
Von der Leyen posted a message of solidarity with Zelenskyy, writing on X: "Your dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people. Be strong, be brave, be fearless."

Norway Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere
Stoere condemned the events in the White House as "serious and disheartening."

"Ukraine still needs the US's support, and Ukraine's security and future are also important to the US and to Europe.

"President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has strong support in Ukraine, broad support in Europe, and he has led his people through a very demanding and brutal time, under attack from Russia. That Trump accuses Zelenskyy of gambling with World War III is deeply unreasonable and a statement I distance myself from," he said in a statement to Norwegian TV2.

And of course:

Deputy head of Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev
Medvedev, a former Russian president, wrote on Telegram that Trump had given Ukraine a "strong slap on the wrist".

"For the first time, Trump told the cocaine clown the truth to his face: the Kyiv regime is playing with the third world war. And the ungrateful pig received a strong slap on the wrist from the owners of the pigsty. This is useful. But it's not enough – we must stop military aid to the Nazi machine," Medvedev said.

[Razgovory]

"In case" lol. NATO is dead my dude. Even if you guys elect a normal president next time who recommits the US to the international order and respects and enforces the documents signed, the damage is done.

Agreed. The era of long-term international treaties involving the US is dead. With the pulling out of the Iran Nuclear Deal in his first term, he killed the potential for the US to engage in treaties with enemies, with his second term and parts of his first, he's killed American involvement in economic and defense treaties. He has made the US into a nation like his friends North Korea and Russia: Pariahs on the international scene that no one will willing engage with.

I think it goes back further than that, to the 1990's with the Paris climate accord.  The problem, again, is that we have a dysfunctional legislature that is incapable of accomplishing anything.  I wonder if we need a parliamentarian system.

[Grey Fox]

"In case" lol. NATO is dead my dude. Even if you guys elect a normal president next time who recommits the US to the international order and respects and enforces the documents signed, the damage is done.

Agreed. The era of long-term international treaties involving the US is dead. With the pulling out of the Iran Nuclear Deal in his first term, he killed the potential for the US to engage in treaties with enemies, with his second term and parts of his first, he's killed American involvement in economic and defense treaties. He has made the US into a nation like his friends North Korea and Russia: Pariahs on the international scene that no one will willing engage with.

I think it goes back further than that, to the 1990's with the Paris climate accord.  The problem, again, is that we have a dysfunctional legislature that is incapable of accomplishing anything.  I wonder if we need a parliamentarian system.

Well, you are about to get 41 millions new  2nd class citizen that use to have a Parliamentary system and most liked it.

[Syt]

[Syt]

Side note - seems a TASS reporter was part of the "event" even though they were not accredited. Press secretary asked them to leave when someone noticed. How does one just walk into an event like this?

[Richard Hakluyt]

I guess Musk must have sacked whoever does the screening.

[Syt]

Meanwhile, AP and reuters were excluded (while right-wing media gets to attend; thanks to Trump taking control of the press pool and the White House correspondents not really doing anything in response).

[Iormlund]

2) Can Europe arm quickly and convincingly enough?

After Covid car sales have not recovered here. Our automotive industry has somewhere around 20-25% excess capacity.

That's A LOT of facilities, machinery, engineers, techs and workers ready to build weapons.

All we need is political will.

[The Brain]

I watched the Zelensky-Trump press conference. It was extremely painful. Zelensky did a good job, focusing on the war and facts. I think it was a great success. Everyone who isn't American or Russian has now seen very clearly what America is, and where it stands. Credible defense for the US is now impossible. If any mask remained it has now fallen, and the true face of America has been revealed.

America makes me sick. What a fucking disgrace of a country. The American people voted for Trump twice. There's no coming back from that. Fuck America.

Europe needs to arm NOW. In the next war we will likely be forced to fight both Russia and the US. It's important that we have the ability to fight them both successfully.