[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[viper37]

The Conservatives are taking another page from US politics, straight out of MAGA playbook:

We still don't know what it was all about.  Was she right?  Was she wrong?  What is it she said that inflamed passions on the Conservative's side?

Well, well, well.  What do you know.  Freedom of speech for Canadian Conservatives is just like in the US.

Due to political pressure, CTV has cancelled their fact checking segment.
CTV Cancelled a Fact-Checking Segment in Response to Political Pressure From Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives

Snowflakes can't stand critic and fact checking.

Edit:
The recorded phone call between the journalist and CTV about the pressure from the Conservatives:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPiBNiedQg&t=1s

[Bauer]

So the conservatives have a carrot and stick plan to force municipalities to build more,  and liberals have a top down agency plan to develop low cost housing and find efficiencies somehow.

I recall a radio interview with a local developer describing how the long approval process stifles their business.  Homebuilders should be prefabricating and hiring tradespeople well in advance to build efficiently.  They want and know how to do this, but when approvals take years it prevents it and then takes time to start the process.  That adds cost and gets passed on to the consumer.

Based on that i feel the conservative approach to try to eliminate the red tape is the way to go.

But really ideas like this need to be fleshed out more in both cases.

[Zoupa]

The Conservatives are taking another page from US politics, straight out of MAGA playbook:

We still don't know what it was all about.  Was she right?  Was she wrong?  What is it she said that inflamed passions on the Conservative's side?

Well, well, well.  What do you know.  Freedom of speech for Canadian Conservatives is just like in the US.

Due to political pressure, CTV has cancelled their fact checking segment.
CTV Cancelled a Fact-Checking Segment in Response to Political Pressure From Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives

Snowflakes can't stand critic and fact checking.

Edit:
The recorded phone call between the journalist and CTV about the pressure from the Conservatives:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPiBNiedQg&t=1s

Waiting on the Razes and Dgullers of this world to write long winded essays about how the left is instilling a climate of fear about people being cancelled.

[crazy canuck]

So the conservatives have a carrot and stick plan to force municipalities to build more,  and liberals have a top down agency plan to develop low cost housing and find efficiencies somehow.

I recall a radio interview with a local developer describing how the long approval process stifles their business.  Homebuilders should be prefabricating and hiring tradespeople well in advance to build efficiently.  They want and know how to do this, but when approvals take years it prevents it and then takes time to start the process.  That adds cost and gets passed on to the consumer.

Based on that i feel the conservative approach to try to eliminate the red tape is the way to go.

But really ideas like this need to be fleshed out more in both cases.

And since property development is a provincial jurisdiction it'll be a neat trick for the conservatives to explain how they are going to intrude on provincial jurisdiction to deal with municipalities directly.

[grumbler]

I don't think that's remotely helpful.

The west would have talks with the USSR during the Cold War for pete's sake, even as the Soviets said "we will bury you" and the US called the USSR an "evil empire".

Actually, the "We will bury you" speech was in 1956, and all of the Western diplomats walked out in protest. That's hardly "talks." The Reagan speech chilled relations between the US and USSR, but the chill eased when Reagan announced a couple of years later that he no longer believed his words to be true.

In any case, none of the Cold War belligerent speech went as far as Trunp's stated objective of making Canada "the 51st state."

I don't think you pretend that Canada and the US are very friendly right now, but you have to talk with Trump.

Talk, yes.  Negotiate, no.  Negotiations can wait until Trump focuses on the next shiny thing.

[viper37]

So the conservatives have a carrot and stick plan to force municipalities to build more,  and liberals have a top down agency plan to develop low cost housing and find efficiencies somehow.

I recall a radio interview with a local developer describing how the long approval process stifles their business.  Homebuilders should be prefabricating and hiring tradespeople well in advance to build efficiently.  They want and know how to do this, but when approvals take years it prevents it and then takes time to start the process.  That adds cost and gets passed on to the consumer.

Based on that i feel the conservative approach to try to eliminate the red tape is the way to go.

But really ideas like this need to be fleshed out more in both cases.

The Conservative approach has been tried for years by various provincial governments.

It works.  And it doesn't.

To build luxury condos, it works.  The promotor finds the right spot well in advance and the hurdles at the municiple level will disappear as they see how much taxes they can gain.

The matter of who's paying what and how is simple to solve.  either the city pays for the new street and services by increasing everyone's taxes, or they charge a special one-of tax to the promoter, per door.

When it doesn't work is for special case.
You want to change zoning laws and you are a small promoter.  you want to build higher than the city permits.  tsk, tsk.  that's a nightmare.

You want to build a mini house on your lot for your adult children.  another big no.  the same guys who talk about removing red tape are going to bury you under municipal red tape if you try this in their 'hood.

Trying to remodel a patrimonial house in a more modern design.  headaches.  lots of headaches.  Feds can't touch this, not unless they want to experience a true Canadian Revolution that would make the American one look like a love fest.

Last but not least, the subsidized homes for low imcome families.

Funds come from the Feds who give it to the provinces.  office municipal d'habitation requests budget to build new units to the cities, cities ask money to the provinces, provinces ask their money to Feds.

[crazy canuck]

Viper,

Building additional housing on one property has been allowed in BC for a number of years now.  First there was "laneway housing" - housing built in the backyard with access to a back lane.


And now most recently we have the ability to build multi family units on the same property without the need to apply for a zoning exemption (from single family to multi family).

But of course that is because of Provincial legislation. None of that is within Federal jurisdiction.

[viper37]

Viper,

Building additional housing on one property has been allowed in BC for a number of years now.  First there was "laneway housing" - housing built in the backyard with access to a back lane.


And now most recently we have the ability to build multi family units on the same property without the need to apply for a zoning exemption (from single family to multi family).

But of course that is because of Provincial legislation. None of that is within Federal jurisdiction.

I have read it has been problematic in some cities in Quebec and Ontario, with owners being fined, forced to dismantle even after receiving their construction permit for tiny houses.

Zoning bylaws vary from cities to cities (or MRC in Quebec, for rural areas).  For example, even if my own lot was originally 3 distinct lots, made to accomodate 3 seperate houses (my dad didn't want any neighbours, he bought the first two, than the 3rd one with all the construction materials when he realized there was going to be house next to us ), I am now forbidden to build another complete house behind mine.  I am also forbidden to have a permanent (more than 2 weeks) camping car or any kind of caravan on any land that I own in the city without a permit, and this permit only allows me to park the caravan, not to plug it to any kind of septic installation.  The city does not want any camping in its area, with or without provincial license.

If I wanted a new house on my lot, I would have to divide and sell it.  But I can't own it and have another house, no matter how small it is.  No house, no caravan.

The irony is, laneway housing has been authorized in the past in my town...  There are such housing in the same street as mine.

[viper37]

Alberta's victimization complex once again

UCP rep praised by Danielle Smith compares Canada's treatment of Alberta to the Holocaust—gets called out on the spot (by one person while the others remain silent).

Reminds me of something, again...

[crazy canuck]

Alberta's victim's complex once again

UCP rep praised by Danielle Smith compares Canada's treatment of Alberta to the Holocaust—gets called out on the spot (by one person while the others remain silent).

Reminds me of something, again...

Is worse than you describe. When the one person called him out, you can hear others telling her to shut up, sit down, get out etc.