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Ukraine's European Revolution?

Started by Sheilbh, December 03, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

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derspiess

From that live blog, someone is saying he's fled to Kharkov. 

Also says an opposition self-defense squad traded fire with a busload of Berkut guys after the bus refused to stop at a checkpoint.  I was hoping things would settle down a bit but the opposition still seems a bit pissed off.  Hope they don't try to overplay whatever hand they have.
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derspiess

Quote from: Ed Anger on February 21, 2014, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 21, 2014, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 21, 2014, 12:23:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Monument_of_the_SS-Galicia_in_Lviv_Ukraine.jpg

Charming!

So

It should be a giant white on black wargame counter. With an outrageously high attack value.


Not to start an unnecessary shitstorm, but wasn't the Galician division a little different from other Waffen SS units?  I thought they were a bit less politicized maybe not quite as brutal as others.  Also IIRC they were more or less conscripts rather than volunteers.
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Valmy

What exactly has the opposition so intensely pissed off?  I mean this is 1789 France sort of visceral rage here.  It usually takes a lot to get the common people out committing acts of political violence instead of watching reality shows and stuff.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

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Admiral Yi

First opposition leader to calm the mob wins.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Valmy on February 21, 2014, 05:10:37 PM
What exactly has the opposition so intensely pissed off?  I mean this is 1789 France sort of visceral rage here.  It usually takes a lot to get the common people out committing acts of political violence instead of watching reality shows and stuff.

It does seem like a lot of them are skinhead hooligan types.

Ed Anger

Quote from: derspiess on February 21, 2014, 05:10:06 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 21, 2014, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 21, 2014, 12:35:29 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 21, 2014, 12:23:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Monument_of_the_SS-Galicia_in_Lviv_Ukraine.jpg

Charming!

So

It should be a giant white on black wargame counter. With an outrageously high attack value.


Not to start an unnecessary shitstorm, but wasn't the Galician division a little different from other Waffen SS units?  I thought they were a bit less politicized maybe not quite as brutal as others.  Also IIRC they were more or less conscripts rather than volunteers.

IIRC, it was one of those late-ish in the war SS divisions that was only good for shooting partisans.

I need to get out my books on the SS divisions to see exactly.
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Maximus

Quote from: Valmy on February 21, 2014, 05:10:37 PM
What exactly has the opposition so intensely pissed off?  I mean this is 1789 France sort of visceral rage here.  It usually takes a lot to get the common people out committing acts of political violence instead of watching reality shows and stuff.
You don't think it's a natural reaction to hundreds of protesters being gunned down?

Valmy

Quote from: Ed Anger on February 21, 2014, 05:14:45 PM
I need to get out my books on the SS divisions to see exactly.

Research for your re-enactment group?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

QuoteAs democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

H.L. Mencken

Ed Anger

Quote from: Valmy on February 21, 2014, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 21, 2014, 05:14:45 PM
I need to get out my books on the SS divisions to see exactly.

Research for your re-enactment group?

Yes, owning books on the SS means I'm clearly pro- SS.

Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Valmy

Quote from: Ed Anger on February 21, 2014, 05:19:37 PM
Yes, owning books on the SS means I'm clearly pro- SS.

Hey it is history, not hate.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

QuoteAs democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

H.L. Mencken

Ed Anger

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Jacob

Quote from: Ed Anger on February 21, 2014, 05:19:37 PMYes, owning books on the SS means I'm clearly pro- SS.

That's not why we think you're pro-SS :hug:

Ed Anger

It's the master white race stuff, isn't it?
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