What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

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Iormlund

Quote from: Gups on April 05, 2025, 04:04:00 PMIt's not comparable because Brits are much less partisan than Americans and we have a multi-party system. No British PM has had a 40% base they can rely on. 20% at best

And yet Brexit happened.

Josquius

Quote from: Iormlund on April 06, 2025, 11:09:05 AM
Quote from: Gups on April 05, 2025, 04:04:00 PMIt's not comparable because Brits are much less partisan than Americans and we have a multi-party system. No British PM has had a 40% base they can rely on. 20% at best

And yet Brexit happened.

Because they had the stupid idea to do something thoroughly unbritish idea of putting a nuanced issue on which there were diverse views down to a binary referendum.
And then they failed to combat misinformation and the parts of the media that are supposed to be neutral really went all in for it.
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viper37



It seems some people are unnerved by their current losses, despite the administration saying people aren't looking at their portfolio.  Who would have thought? :)
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Syt

Probably combined with a dash of concern about China restricting access to rare earths. :P
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Gups

Quote from: Iormlund on April 06, 2025, 11:09:05 AM
Quote from: Gups on April 05, 2025, 04:04:00 PMIt's not comparable because Brits are much less partisan than Americans and we have a multi-party system. No British PM has had a 40% base they can rely on. 20% at best

And yet Brexit happened.

I think that proves my point rather than otherwise. The leaders of the three main parties campaigned against Brexit.

viper37

Quote from: Syt on April 06, 2025, 11:59:04 AMProbably combined with a dash of concern about China restricting access to rare earths. :P
That is going to piss off Nvidia seriously.

No rare earths = no GPU.


Once the gamer wars starts, there's no turning back. :P
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Iormlund

Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2025, 12:12:25 PMOnce the gamer wars starts, there's no turning back. :P

Just bought a new computer just in case.  :blush:

Sheilbh

Quote from: crazy canuck on April 05, 2025, 09:32:06 PMThe benefits of a Parliamentary system are many. Some of you have missed the point about the UK PM being replaced before the lettuce spoiled.  There are no four year terms for a leader of a party.  The can be replaced at anytime within a governments mandate, have a new leader appointed, and remain in power until the next election.

That encourages ambitious people who see a weak leader to go for the brass ring.


The dynamics are very different from the American system.
Or, for that matter, Canada. As I say I think in a way the more interesting question is Biden.

With Trump it is more difficult because he has a very high ceiling of very committed fans. The ultimate reason the Tory party have got rid of leaders over the years (Thatcher, Iain Duncan Smith, May, Johnson, Truss) is because they're performing badly and likely to lose the next election. Trump's support really doesn't seem to move.

I mentioned it at the time when Johnson was forced out that there was still such a thing as "public opinion" in Britain - we share a common reality. So the views of Tory and Labour voters on, say, Boris Johnson are polarised but they move in the same direction to the same events. That doesn't seem to exist in the US with Trump - his support flatlines. There's a high floor and a low ceiling but events don't really (so far) seem to have an impact.

I think that may be shifting and I think Republicans are over-interpreting their victory. It was a narrow victory, there has been a profound (and perhaps lasting) vibe shift at a cultural/corporate level - but they're behaving and crowing like this is FDR and the first hundred days. That is not the mandate they have and, frankly, that's reflected in so much of the action being through executive orders of questionable legitimacy and effectiveness v legislation from Congress.
Let's bomb Russia!

Syt

Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2025, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: Syt on April 06, 2025, 11:59:04 AMProbably combined with a dash of concern about China restricting access to rare earths. :P
That is going to piss off Nvidia seriously.

No rare earths = no GPU.


Once the gamer wars starts, there's no turning back. :P

I'd think the AI industry is going to have more leverage than gamers. :P
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—Stephen Jay Gould

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Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Syt on April 06, 2025, 11:59:04 AMProbably combined with a dash of concern about China restricting access to rare earths. :P

china has been playing that game for years now, and still no alternative extraction... It's russia and its gas-shenanigans all over again.

viper37

Quote from: Syt on April 06, 2025, 02:16:01 PM
Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2025, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: Syt on April 06, 2025, 11:59:04 AMProbably combined with a dash of concern about China restricting access to rare earths. :P
That is going to piss off Nvidia seriously.

No rare earths = no GPU.


Once the gamer wars starts, there's no turning back. :P

I'd think the AI industry is going to have more leverage than gamers. :P
Yes, but AI industry only has money.

Gamers are experts in hand to hand combat, they're trained in a variety of lethal weapons and guns, they can organize large army groups as well as direct squad level tactics, all without ever leaving their couch.

Don't fuck with gamers.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

grumbler

Quote from: Sheilbh on April 06, 2025, 12:45:11 PM(snip)

I think that may be shifting and I think Republicans are over-interpreting their victory. It was a narrow victory, there has been a profound (and perhaps lasting) vibe shift at a cultural/corporate level - but they're behaving and crowing like this is FDR and the first hundred days. That is not the mandate they have and, frankly, that's reflected in so much of the action being through executive orders of questionable legitimacy and effectiveness v legislation from Congress.

This, I think is the key blind spot of the MAGAts. They fail to realize that everyone else realizes that, e.g. tariffs imposed by whim are understood to be purely whimsical. No one is going to invest billions of dollars over five years to build a factory in the US with the hope that Trump's whims don't ruin their plans. Tariffs enacted legally, through legislation, cannot be ended on a whim. Those are viewed as legitimate tariffs, not whimsical ones.  That is why they did result in production shifts (not always wisely, but that's a different story).
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mongers


QuoteJapanese stocks slide further
published at 01:18
01:18
Japanese shares have extended their falls on Monday morning.

The benchmark Nikkei 225 index was down by almost 8% shortly after the market opened.

The country's major carmakers and banks have been hit particularly hard.


:hmm:
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viper37

Quote from: mongers on April 06, 2025, 07:35:54 PM
QuoteJapanese stocks slide further
published at 01:18
01:18
Japanese shares have extended their falls on Monday morning.

The benchmark Nikkei 225 index was down by almost 8% shortly after the market opened.

The country's major carmakers and banks have been hit particularly hard.


:hmm:
S&P 500 futures were down 9% when I checked earlier.

My retirement account has lost 7% in the last week despite the global diversification.  That stupid robot is way too bullish toward American stocks.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

viper37

I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.