[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Jacob]

A Politico artcile on Freeland's role.

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[viper37]

Thanks Jacob.  I like that a woman.  For a Liberal, she ain't half bad.

Too bad they'd never let her have any real control over the party.

[Jacob]

Thanks Jacob.  I like that a woman.  For a Liberal, she ain't half bad.

Too bad they'd never let her have any real control over the party.

I think Freeland, along with Mark Carney, are two potential contenders post Trudeau. We'll see how it goes, of course.

[crazy canuck]

Yep, either one would be a marked improvement.  The hope is Trudeau exits gracefully before the next election (taking his own walk in the snow)

[viper37]

Thanks Jacob.  I like that a woman.  For a Liberal, she ain't half bad.

Too bad they'd never let her have any real control over the party.

I think Freeland, along with Mark Carney, are two potential contenders post Trudeau. We'll see how it goes, of course.

Contender to party chief, yes.  But she won't be the one with the real power.  Liberal organizers and financiers are the ones holding power.

[Grey Fox]

Better that than the Conversation therapy crew that controls the CPC.

[viper37]

Better that than the Conversation therapy crew that controls the CPC.

since all such projects have been rejected by previous PC govt, that does not seem to be the case.

However, the first thing the Libs did when they arrived in power, was to dismantle the special task force of CRA investigating fiscal paradises.

[Grey Fox]

The Conversation therapy crew just got OToole's head.

[viper37]

The Conversation therapy crew just got OToole's head.

True, but they were not alone.  Lots of people were disapointed that OToole was constantly changing his mind.

And they haven't managed to pass any bills so far, even with a pretty religious leader at their head.  All we got were "free" votes where MPs could express themselves democratically.  Unlike the other parties that imposed the party line on all social issues.

[crazy canuck]

Thanks Jacob.  I like that a woman.  For a Liberal, she ain't half bad.

Too bad they'd never let her have any real control over the party.

I think Freeland, along with Mark Carney, are two potential contenders post Trudeau. We'll see how it goes, of course.

Contender to party chief, yes.  But she won't be the one with the real power.  Liberal organizers and financiers are the ones holding power.

Who are these mysterious string pulling financiers?

[viper37]

Who are these mysterious string pulling financiers?

The same ones who bough a house in Montreal for Jean Charest and paid him 75 000$/year to represent the Liberal Party of Quebec.  The same ones who make sure Justin Trudeau and his ministers can afford trips to private islands or exotic countries.

Guys like Marc Bibeau and Marc-Yvan Côté who operate at both the Federal and provincial Liberal parties are fund collectors.  Although he was eventually banned from the party for his illegal activities, there are others like Côté.

Business people like some of the richest families in Canada are the ones making sure the Liberal parties are always well funded.

Remember what happened the last time an intelligent, independent candidate tried to make a run for the Liberal Party and actually won?  La Presse, and all medias own by Power Corp refused to endorse him when came election time.  The only time in maybe 30-40 years these newspapers didn't endorse a Liberal candidate, Provincial or Federal.

[Grey Fox]

You didn't have to go that far, Viper.

BCE owns the Liberal party of Canada.

[crazy canuck]

Are you both suggesting that these people are breaching the federal party fund raising laws?  It sounds like it.

[viper37]

Are you both suggesting that these people are breaching the federal party fund raising laws?  It sounds like it.

Gommery and Charboneau uncovered a lot.  UPAC was never able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt in a reasonable time frame (18 months).

We have a few reports by the Ethics Commissioner about liberal use of public funds by Liberal Party cabinet ministers.  So far, the worst that happened with the Conservatives was an 8$ orange juice.  And the minister lost her job for this.

[crazy canuck]

Viper, I think your time lines are a bit out.  The Federal fundraising rules were developed in large part because of the Gommery report. 

My question is whether there is evidence that those rules have been violated since they were put in place?  I grant you that Trudeau has violated the conflict of interest rules on more than one occasion and the finance minister took the fall for him.  But what you are alleging about sinister financiers pulling the strings of power so that the next Liberal PM will not really be in charge is some serious conspiracy theory territory without at least something to back it up.