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Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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mongers

"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Sheilbh

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 19, 2025, 03:19:59 PMLet's start with who is winning.  Because chief among them are the billionaire coteries surrounding Trump and driving the current political bus. Notably including Musk, a man who gleefully exploits 21st century labor peonage and has outsourced billions of investments to China.  And yes including JD Vance, ersatz hillbilly turned Yale law grad turned venture capital tech bro, turned populist tribune of the working man, turned edgelord crusader of the antiwokian hordes turned [ADJECTIVE NOUN], a man who talks out of so many sides of his mouth that the orifice threatens to break fractal geometry.

Trump threatens retribution against the "elite" by which he means college educated professionals and intelligentsia, but while a few working federal jobs are suffering, the vast majority will benefit materially, at least in the short run, from tax cuts and brutal dismantling of whatever worker protections are left.  There is no shortage and will be no shortage of Ivy Leaguers lording it over MAGAworld.

The people who have been suffering from changes in production are the same ones who will get the shortest end of the Trumpian stick. All the Canadian aluminum tariffs in Trump's arsenal will not do anything for them and their worst exploiters will be liberated from the harried functionaries who once kept them barely under control.
Oh I agree. I think the oligarchs are using that populist anger and have leveraged/glommed onto MAGA to now destroy the professional/"knowledge worker" economy that has so far been relative beneficiaries - as I say I think that's the whole thing with AI as well.

It's to do to those white collar workers what automation - and globalisation - did to blue collar workers.
Let's bomb Russia!

Jacob

You might be right, Sheilbh.

Though a thought just occurred to me - that most revolutions have come when the middle classes felt disenfranchised.

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Zanza on February 19, 2025, 06:39:29 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on February 19, 2025, 05:15:10 PMAnd while I'm not the biggest fan of merging all our countries in a full federation there's probably no other option anymore if Europe wants to remain free of Russia, China or potentially the US (as well as other bad actors).
Welcome to being an euro federalist.  :lol:
I've been there before

Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Sheilbh on February 19, 2025, 07:42:15 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on February 19, 2025, 07:31:24 AMEuropean is vague though. The usual suspects (east of France basically) continue to import gas from Russia through third parties.
Those who imported their LNG from elsewhere, rely not so much on gas (hello nuclear). Of course decommissioning nuclear plants to please the greens, using coal pissing the greens, relying even more on gas does not work well.
Well it depends what you mean by import. France, Belgium and Spain are 85% of European imports of Russian LNG. I've no doubt that's because they are the countries that have larger LNG terminals while east of France the infrastructure is more pipeline. The end users will be in the rest of Europe so I'm not sure European is vague in this context - it's Europe in action.

France and Spain are not exactly in the same situation. Spain gets a lot of gas by pipelines from North Africa, political conditions permitting (the row between Morocco and Algeria closed a pipeline); as for LNG, not necessarily from Russia. Spain, and Portugal for this matter, have outsized LNG port capacities (7 import terminals 1 mothballed back in 2022 for Spain in Gijón). There is only a limited pipeline connection to France and Midcat, a project for more capacity has been refused by France. Spain is also connected to Portugal, but Portugal gets Algerian gas through the same pipelines as Spain, with the reminder coming from Lagos (Nigeria not Portugal  :D ) to Sines, and from the US, again.

France gets most of its gas from Norway, however for LNG most of it comes from the US, with Russian imports increasing a lot in 2024, but for other countries, as you point out, namely Germany which has no real LNG import terminals.

Qatar exports a lot of LNG (see PSG  :P ) to Europe but that's only through LNG import terminals.