Red Dwarf, the Discworld, Marvel Zombies world?
Gor?
Marvel 616 ("vanilla" Marvel universe) or Discworld.
Depends if I get to be one of the elites or just a normal hobbit.
If it helps you can be some sort of Campellian archetype.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 12, 2012, 11:50:17 AM
Depends if I get to be one of the elites or just a normal hobbit.
Sorry man, but you get to be this guy.
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Easy. The Culture. Post-scarcity and orgasms that last hours.
Star Trek, post-DS9 era. lots of business opportunities outside the Federation. Replicators, holodecks, etc. I could get the best of the Federation and the best of the rest of the universe with the money I'd be making.
Quote from: Viking on June 12, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
Gor?
Yeah, but one small problem - you arrive as a female. :D
The one from that crazy-assed Adventure Time cartoon.
Quote from: viper37 on June 12, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
Star Trek, post-DS9 era. lots of business opportunities outside the Federation. Replicators, holodecks, etc. I could get the best of the Federation and the best of the rest of the universe with the money I'd be making.
This. The human federation in Star Trek has probably the most enlightened society of all fantasy worlds and the existence of holodecks makes it possible for you to experience all fantasies with impunity.
The Culture seems to be way more advanced and more enlightened than the Star Trek universe. I guess I would opt for it. Then again the more gritty Star Wars universe seems more interesting at times.
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Quote from: viper37 on June 12, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
Star Trek, post-DS9 era. lots of business opportunities outside the Federation. Replicators, holodecks, etc. I could get the best of the Federation and the best of the rest of the universe with the money I'd be making.
This. The human federation in Star Trek has probably the most enlightened society of all fantasy worlds and the existence of holodecks makes it possible for you to experience all fantasies with impunity.
Star Trek Online is the official follow-up to the post-DS9 era, and it is filled with war. War with the Klingons, strife with the Romulans, ongoing Borg invasions... :(
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Star Trek, post-DS9 era. lots of business opportunities outside the Federation. Replicators, holodecks, etc. I could get the best of the Federation and the best of the rest of the universe with the money I'd be making.
This. The human federation in Star Trek has probably the most enlightened society of all fantasy worlds and the existence of holodecks makes it possible for you to experience all fantasies with impunity.
Enlightened and bland. What about people like Ide or Timmay who crave excitement, glory, and the Siege Perilous?! They do not belong in Star Trek.
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Quote from: viper37 on June 12, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
Star Trek, post-DS9 era. lots of business opportunities outside the Federation. Replicators, holodecks, etc. I could get the best of the Federation and the best of the rest of the universe with the money I'd be making.
This. The human federation in Star Trek has probably the most enlightened society of all fantasy worlds and the existence of holodecks makes it possible for you to experience all fantasies with impunity.
Enlightened and bland. What about people like Ide or Timmay who crave excitement, glory, and the Siege Perilous?! They do not belong in Star Trek.
Nonsense. They join Star Fleet and seek out new life forms and civilizations, and boldly go where no man has gone before!
Helliconia.
A boring one that makes for bland fiction I'd never read.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 12, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
A boring one that makes for bland fiction I'd never read.
:yes:
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 12, 2012, 02:23:18 PM
Enlightened and bland. What about people like Ide or Timmay who crave excitement, glory, and the Siege Perilous?! They do not belong in Star Trek.
That's right. Their asses belong in the
Warhammer 40K universe. Nasty, brutish and incredibly fucking short. :lol:
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Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 12, 2012, 02:23:18 PM
Enlightened and bland. What about people like Ide or Timmay who crave excitement, glory, and the Siege Perilous?! They do not belong in Star Trek.
That's right. Their asses belong in the Warhammer 40K universe. Nasty, brutish and incredibly fucking short. :lol:
Timmay might become a Daemon Prince yet.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 12, 2012, 02:23:18 PM
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Quote from: viper37 on June 12, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
Star Trek, post-DS9 era. lots of business opportunities outside the Federation. Replicators, holodecks, etc. I could get the best of the Federation and the best of the rest of the universe with the money I'd be making.
This. The human federation in Star Trek has probably the most enlightened society of all fantasy worlds and the existence of holodecks makes it possible for you to experience all fantasies with impunity.
Enlightened and bland. What about people like Ide or Timmay who crave excitement, glory, and the Siege Perilous?! They do not belong in Star Trek.
I think you've fundamentally misread my character. I just want to learn things and fuck things, and the holodeck and future wikipedia will provide for the majority of my emotional needs.
Quote from: mongers on June 12, 2012, 02:36:21 PM
Helliconia.
Sexual perversions among the stars?! Twisted mofo.
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Quote from: mongers on June 12, 2012, 02:36:21 PM
Helliconia.
Sexual perversions among the stars?! Twisted mofo.
Obviously on the planet, al the OP, rather than the degenerate space station. :rolleyes:
:P
I had a chat with Aldiss, a while back and he said it was the work he was most proud of.
Pournelle's Empire of Man, where lefty planetary governments are utter failures and good right wing planetary governments thrive.
Ide gets sent to: Tanith to work in the fields. Tim gets raped by Moties.
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 12, 2012, 05:37:32 PM
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
You probably won't get to fuck Jessica, though, so you might want to reconsider.
Fantasy Setting
Nehwon or The Young Kingdoms
Quote from: dps on June 12, 2012, 05:41:13 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 12, 2012, 05:37:32 PM
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
You probably won't get to fuck Jessica, though, so you might want to reconsider.
That's ok, many other animated female characters. :)
Worlds from Comp games
Fallout 3/NV
Science Fiction
This is harder. Maybe Firefly. Will have to think on it.
Quote from: 11B4V on June 12, 2012, 07:00:21 PM
Worlds from Comp games
Fallout 3/NV
You want iguana on a stick, right?
I would like to be that demon dude that Tim Curry played in Legend (I guess maybe he was Satan? :hmm: ). I could do without the part where he got stabbed with a unicorn horn and burned up by sunlight I guess.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 12, 2012, 07:01:37 PM
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Worlds from Comp games
Fallout 3/NV
You want iguana on a stick, right?
and a pet Death Claw.
Favorite pastime in NV was killing the members of the Legion and Powder Puff gang.
I'm itching to play NV, but with all the OT at work, I dont have time. I want to run a game in Hardcore mode.
Nehwon is a good choice, though I think I would be one of the guys watching in the back as Issek was reborn and stormed out with the broken rack.
Cheesy as it is, being in a swords and sorcery world would be fun as long as I got extra dice to roll up my stats.
Quote from: PDH on June 12, 2012, 07:15:48 PM
Nehwon is a good choice, though I think I would be one of the guys watching in the back as Issek was reborn and stormed out with the broken rack.
Cheesy as it is, being in a swords and sorcery world would be fun as long as I got extra dice to roll up my stats.
:D
Quote from: PDH on June 12, 2012, 07:15:48 PM
Nehwon is a good choice, though I think I would be one of the guys watching in the back as Issek was reborn and stormed out with the broken rack.
Cheesy as it is, being in a swords and sorcery world would be fun as long as I got extra dice to roll up my stats.
Dragonlance maybe. Ravenloft would be even cooler.
Forgotten Realms...and to steal the method from the guy in that one novel that could create well-endowed redheaded ladies. :P
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 12, 2012, 07:29:34 PM
Forgotten Realms...and to steal the method from the guy in that one novel that could create well-endowed redheaded ladies. :P
Raistlin, kender killer.
Those D&D type worlds have gods with all manner of unpleasant hells and fates worse than death though.
I would choose a universe where I would leave Israel, immigrate to the US, join the US Army, and go back to the middle east to invade muslim countries.
:P
Clive Barker's Imajica universe is amazing; the Dominions were fascinating.
And Steve Brust's concept of Heaven--or whatever--in To Reign In Hell seemed cool as shit, too.
There. Don't say I've never read fantasy novels.
Quote from: dps on June 12, 2012, 05:41:13 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 12, 2012, 05:37:32 PM
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
You probably won't get to fuck Jessica, though, so you might want to reconsider.
I bet it would be horrifying to try to fuck something that's two-dimensional.
Let's ask Lettow. I'm sure he's tried.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
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Quote from: lustindarkness on June 12, 2012, 05:37:32 PM
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
You probably won't get to fuck Jessica, though, so you might want to reconsider.
I bet it would be horrifying to try to fuck something that's two-dimensional.
Let's ask Lettow. I'm sure he's tried.
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Yeah its not 2D. Sue me.
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Quote from: lustindarkness on June 12, 2012, 05:37:32 PM
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
You probably won't get to fuck Jessica, though, so you might want to reconsider.
I bet it would be horrifying to try to fuck something that's two-dimensional.
Let's ask Lettow. I'm sure he's tried.
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Yeah its not 2D. Sue me.
Is that Lettuce?
No, that guy is a real Asian, not a wannabe.
Well, Star Trek is pretty luxurious. Still, I think Known Space is more adventurous.
The Culture... on a contract for Special Circumstances or what the hell, why not exist as a Mind.
Quote from: Ideologue on June 12, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
Quote from: dps on June 12, 2012, 05:41:13 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 12, 2012, 05:37:32 PM
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
You probably won't get to fuck Jessica, though, so you might want to reconsider.
I bet it would be horrifying to try to fuck something that's two-dimensional.
Let's ask Lettow. I'm sure he's tried.
Aren't they three dimensional in Toon Town though?
I'll go for Westeros.
I'll be a homeless dude in flea bottom.
I'll probably get killed by the Hound while trying to get my hands on Sansa.
Or maybe I'll join the Gold Coats, and die in the battle of Blackwater, killed by some lordling that have been playing with swords since the day he was born, while I never got any real training until I joined the city guard, and by then it was too little too late.
I guess I'll take The Culture, since the chances of me drawing low value cards is lower in a high tech civilization.
Damn. I'm really indecisive. Some of the other mentions in this thread after mine seem pretty cool, too. Is it too late for me to add Anne McAffrey's "Talents" universe (Pegasus-era, not Rowan-era)?
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Quote from: lustindarkness on June 12, 2012, 05:37:32 PM
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
You probably won't get to fuck Jessica, though, so you might want to reconsider.
I bet it would be horrifying to try to fuck something that's two-dimensional.
Let's ask Lettow. I'm sure he's tried.
Aren't they three dimensional in Toon Town though?
I'm not an expert on the physics of a place seen for ten minutes in some movie.
Even so, all the Scott McCloudian recognition stuff we do with abstracted images of faces, that we can find Charlie Brown to be an acceptable rendition of a human and Triplicate Girl to be hot? That function doesn't work nearly as well for genitals. At least, not on the occasional animated clip that I've looked at for science when on Youporn or xHamster for other reasons. Conclusion: cartoon porn = awful.
Extrapolating, I'd suspect actual cartoon trying to fuck you = piss-yourself terrifying.
I'd love to live in the world Ronald Reagan thought he lived in. :wub:
Quote from: Siege on June 13, 2012, 04:15:18 PM
I'll go for Westeros.
I'll be a homeless dude in flea bottom.
I'll probably get killed by the Hound while trying to get my hands on Sansa.
Or maybe I'll join the Gold Coats, and die in the battle of Blackwater, killed by some lordling that have been playing with swords since the day he was born, while I never got any real training until I joined the city guard, and by then it was too little too late.
I guess I'll take The Culture, since the chances of me drawing low value cards is lower in a high tech civilization.
If you move to hollywood you can be a homelss duude stalking Miley Cyrus and get beat up by her security only to die in the VA hospital afterwards.
Quote from: Neil on June 12, 2012, 10:56:27 PM
Well, Star Trek is pretty luxurious.
I prefer something a little less sterile. More organic. Star Trek has a Stepford Wives aspect to it I don't like so much. DS9 less so---which is why it's the best ST.
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Waaah! I want to be the little hobbit! :3
Halflings have always, always, always been my favourite fantasy race. For a favourite sci-fi setting to live in, i'd go with Neo-Venezia. For fantasy, the shire is very hard to beat.
The Dies the Fire Universe, but only if I get to live in the Upper Northwest of America. :ph34r:
Quote from: merithyn on June 13, 2012, 06:40:24 PM
The Dies the Fire Universe, but only if I get to live in the Upper Northwest of America. :ph34r:
I'd have thought the Isle of Man.
Quote from: merithyn on June 13, 2012, 06:40:24 PM
The Dies the Fire Universe, but only if I get to live in the Upper Northwest of America. :ph34r:
That series criminally underrepresented the inevitable flourishing of mormons in that scenario, based entirely on author appeal. He didn't really want to have to write a world that didn't have pagan lesbians in it.
Stirling: more or less of a hack than Turtledove? Is copy-pasting history into different places or times better or worse than manchild pandering?
I'm going to have to grudgingly favour Stirling if only because he isn't furthering a dangerous international conspiracy.
Damn, I've read at least 3 of the books that turned out to be part of the cultures series and I don't recall hardly anything about them. :blush:
I do recall consider philbus and use of weapons were good reads, but clearly I need to reacquaint myself with them.
Judging from the wiki article, I'm not sure how "The Culture" is either plausible or manages to make an interesting setting for fiction. :yeahright:
Planescape. Upper ward Sensate with Plainwalker friends in case I get bored.
Quote from: Queequeg on June 13, 2012, 07:22:06 PM
Planescape. Upper ward Sensate with Plainwalker friends in case I get bored.
Anyplace with fiends is just too terrible.
The Ferenghi homeworld sounds like my kind of place :ph34r:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 13, 2012, 07:03:30 PM
Judging from the wiki article, I'm not sure how "The Culture" is either plausible or manages to make an interesting setting for fiction. :yeahright:
It's run by infinitely intelligent utilitarian supercomputers that always make the best decisions for everyone involved. Most stories take place on the frontiers of the Culture where it's meddling with primitive societies.
Quote from: garbon on June 14, 2012, 08:08:17 AM
You read Coldheart Canyon?
Yeah, definitely par for his twisted course.
Funny, whenever I mention Clive Barker, that's the one work that consistently comes up. :lol:
Having meditated a bit on the question, I guess the safest option would be sometime between The Peace War and the Singularity in Vernor Vinge's bobble universe.
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Quote from: garbon on June 14, 2012, 08:08:17 AM
You read Coldheart Canyon?
Yeah, definitely par for his twisted course.
Funny, whenever I mention Clive Barker, that's the one work that consistently comes up. :lol:
Because it was horrible drivel!
Quote from: garbon on June 14, 2012, 09:09:53 AM
Because it was horrible drivel!
Oh, I don't disagree; he's not good enough to accept any of his work blindly and expect it to be as good as his earlier pre-1995 works--Sacrament is probably the best of his later works, and even that one was marginal--but he does have his moments of fucked-upedness, and is not afraid to put some really horrific and stomach-turning shit on paper.
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Quote from: Queequeg on June 13, 2012, 07:22:06 PM
Planescape. Upper ward Sensate with Plainwalker friends in case I get bored.
Anyplace with fiends is just too terrible.
Massvely hot, under-appreciated tiefling ass makes up for it.
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Quote from: Queequeg on June 13, 2012, 07:22:06 PM
Planescape. Upper ward Sensate with Plainwalker friends in case I get bored.
Anyplace with fiends is just too terrible.
Massvely hot, under-appreciated tiefling ass makes up for it.
Do you really want to tap some emo goth with daddy issues?
Anarchic, free spirits with amazing bodies capable of doing things physically impossible for normals.
Annah. :wub:
Also, not all Planar neings are evil. Aasmirs....
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 13, 2012, 07:03:30 PM
Judging from the wiki article, I'm not sure how "The Culture" is either plausible or manages to make an interesting setting for fiction. :yeahright:
Read some Banks, then. The Culture seems plausible for a post-scarcity economy with extremely intelligent AIs. The fiction tends to focus on the edges of the Culture and their interactions with other civilizations.
Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2012, 10:39:26 AM
Anarchic, free spirits with amazing bodies capable of doing things physically impossible for normals.
Annah. :wub:
Also, not all Planar neings are evil. Aasmirs....
The aasimar aren't as meddlesome as the fiends. Is your thirst for tiefling waifs so great that you would risk having a soul, and having something terrible happen to it?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 14, 2012, 09:48:06 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 14, 2012, 09:09:53 AM
Because it was horrible drivel!
Oh, I don't disagree; he's not good enough to accept any of his work blindly and expect it to be as good as his earlier pre-1995 works--Sacrament is probably the best of his later works, and even that one was marginal--but he does have his moments of fucked-upedness, and is not afraid to put some really horrific and stomach-turning shit on paper.
Well after that one, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to give him another try.
Actually when reading Coldheart I was like a homosexual must have written this book. :blush:
Quote from: garbon on June 14, 2012, 11:31:38 AM
Well after that one, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to give him another try.
If that was your first book of his, then that is indeed unfortunate. :lol:
QuoteActually when reading Coldheart I was like a homosexual must have written this book. :blush:
:lol: Didn't need to do a Wiki to figure that one out.
Quote from: merithyn on June 13, 2012, 06:40:24 PM
The Dies the Fire Universe, but only if I get to live in the Upper Northwest of America. :ph34r:
Humm, now this is a good selection.
Being a noble in the Portland Protective Assosiation is better than being a noble in medieval Europe, me thinks.
The Bearkillers are overrated, and the Corvallis Republic is just a hippie commune.
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 13, 2012, 07:03:30 PM
Judging from the wiki article, I'm not sure how "The Culture" is either plausible or manages to make an interesting setting for fiction. :yeahright:
It's run by infinitely intelligent utilitarian supercomputers that always make the best decisions for everyone involved. Most stories take place on the frontiers of the Culture where it's meddling with primitive societies.
Too much big goverment for my taste.
Fall-From-Grace is the better planescape waifu in any case.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 13, 2012, 06:42:16 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 13, 2012, 06:40:24 PM
The Dies the Fire Universe, but only if I get to live in the Upper Northwest of America. :ph34r:
I'd have thought the Isle of Man.
I'd be useful in this world. :showoff:
Quote from: Siege on June 14, 2012, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: merithyn on June 13, 2012, 06:40:24 PM
The Dies the Fire Universe, but only if I get to live in the Upper Northwest of America. :ph34r:
Humm, now this is a good selection.
Being a noble in the Portland Protective Assosiation is better than being a noble in medieval Europe, me thinks.
The Bearkillers are overrated, and the Corvallis Republic is just a hippie commune.
He has an uncomfortable fascination with the whole Wiccan hippie commies who can kick ass so long as lesbians are involved.
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Quote from: Siege on June 14, 2012, 03:49:53 PM
Humm, now this is a good selection.
Being a noble in the Portland Protective Assosiation is better than being a noble in medieval Europe, me thinks.
The Bearkillers are overrated, and the Corvallis Republic is just a hippie commune.
He has an uncomfortable fascination with the whole Wiccan hippie commies who can kick ass so long as lesbians are involved.
I don't remember any lesbians in that commune. :unsure:
You weren't looking very hard. There was the evil lesbian assassin woman (who takes a wiccan lover herself) who murdered some lesbians defending the little wiccan prince. In a moment of compassion she drags them into each others arms when she sees one of the dying pair reaching for the other.
There were other lesbians elsewhere, but that particular scene sticks out. He has some masochistic fetish for women that are both powerful and do not desire men.
Quote from: Lettow77 on June 14, 2012, 03:59:59 PM
Fall-From-Grace is the better planescape waifu in any case.
I'd like to not die or be sucked down to the Abyss, thanks.
I've decided I want to be in River City, Iowa from The Music Man.
If a con man could run that town, can you imagine what one truly debased and motivated individual could do to that place? :ph34r:
Shirley Jones would be my little bound cockslut inside of 15 minutes. Right after I sold little Winthrop to The Buffalo Bills for a pedo gangbang.
:D
Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
I'd like to not die or be sucked down to the Abyss, thanks.
You mean you are incapable of a chaste relationship? Someone with so little self control is perhaps better suited for an impulsive alley waif after all.
Fall-from-Grace is a refined lady and I would enjoy drinking tea and discussing things with her. Her deliberate restraint and rejection of wanton behaviour is part of her appeal.
You two could be bffs!
Quote from: Lettow77 on June 14, 2012, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
I'd like to not die or be sucked down to the Abyss, thanks.
You mean you are incapable of a chaste relationship? Someone with so little self control is perhaps better suited for an impulsive alley waif after all.
Fall-from-Grace is a refined lady and I would enjoy drinking tea and discussing things with her. Her deliberate restraint and rejection of wanton behaviour is part of her appeal.
She really isn't. She's a creature of the Abyss. Although she might wear a veneer of refinement, her nature is entirely bestial, formed of chaos and evil. She's not a mortal with the free will to choose her own path. She's an fragment of a single ravaging will.
She changed her own nature through extraordinary willpower (after moving to a place where beliefs become reality) - that was the entire thematic point of the character.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 14, 2012, 11:00:30 PM
You two could be bffs!
Ah, but a restrained relationship of self-denial would be even more rewarding! The more we discuss it, the more I warm to the idea. Yes, Fall-from-Grace is charming.
:nerd:
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on June 14, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
She changed her own nature through extraordinary willpower (after moving to a place where beliefs become reality) - that was the entire thematic point of the character.
She might play at that. She might even actually think she has. Nevertheless, she is of the Abyss, and forever is a very long time. If you take the chaos and the evil out of the equation, you're left with nothing.
Lettuce definitely belongs in the WH40K universe.
He would be a worshiper of Slaneesh for sure.
Is there a Chaos God of tea, chastity and disabilities?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 15, 2012, 07:50:55 AM
He would be a worshiper of Slaneesh for sure.
I was thinking more along the lines of an inconsequential mouth-breathing servitor in the bowels of a Rogue Trader's vessel, constantly beaten by armsmen and priests as he uncontrollably shits himself and until the Void melts what's left of the organic material that might have once been called his brain.
Yeah. That's Lettow.
Quote from: Lettow77 on June 14, 2012, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
I'd like to not die or be sucked down to the Abyss, thanks.
You mean you are incapable of a chaste relationship? Someone with so little self control is perhaps better suited for an impulsive alley waif after all.
Fall-from-Grace is a refined lady and I would enjoy drinking tea and discussing things with her. Her deliberate restraint and rejection of wanton behaviour is part of her appeal.
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it. A person who withholds intimacy from their significant other is doing them a great injustice. It's at the bottom level of Maslow's heirarchy of needs. Right down there with breathing, food and water.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it. A person who withholds intimacy from their significant other is doing them a great injustice. It's at the bottom level of Maslow's heirarchy of needs. Right down there with breathing, food and water.
Is it not also natural for people to make virtues of what they have, and to villify that which is kept from them?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it.
Sure there is.
Now, I realize all you over-educated, post-humanist too-smart-assed-for-your-own-good cynical fuckwheats blithely dismiss the concept of ecclesiastical celibacy, but that doesn't make it any less important in its historical context in the symbolism of aspiring from the mere existence of man to that of divinity.
If anything, it is the most virtuous of all virtues. Fucking pagan.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 15, 2012, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it.
Sure there is.
Now, I realize all you over-educated, post-humanist too-smart-assed-for-your-own-good cynical fuckwheats blithely dismiss the concept of ecclesiastical celibacy, but that doesn't make it any less important in its historical context in the symbolism of aspiring from the mere existence of man to that of divinity.
If anything, it is the most virtuous of all virtues. Fucking pagan.
Odd then that in Christianity your *actual* divinity is into virgins. :D
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 15, 2012, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it.
Sure there is.
Now, I realize all you over-educated, post-humanist too-smart-assed-for-your-own-good cynical fuckwheats blithely dismiss the concept of ecclesiastical celibacy, but that doesn't make it any less important in its historical context in the symbolism of aspiring from the mere existence of man to that of divinity.
If anything, it is the most virtuous of all virtues. Fucking pagan.
Sure. Historical significance. But these days, we know better than to believe in gods.
Quote from: Malthus on June 15, 2012, 12:41:21 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 15, 2012, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it.
Sure there is.
Now, I realize all you over-educated, post-humanist too-smart-assed-for-your-own-good cynical fuckwheats blithely dismiss the concept of ecclesiastical celibacy, but that doesn't make it any less important in its historical context in the symbolism of aspiring from the mere existence of man to that of divinity.
If anything, it is the most virtuous of all virtues. Fucking pagan.
Odd then that in Christianity your *actual* divinity is into virgins. :D
As per the Papal Encyclical
Sacerdotalis Caelibatis, virginity is not a requirement for celibacy. But yeah, breaking in virgins can be fun.
You forget, I grew up very protestant. The first time I attended a Catholic mass, I was literally frightened and uneasy by all the rituals and claptrap. I couldn't wait to get out of there. Imagine attending a ceremony where people are speaking in tongues and doing snake handling and shit. That's how alien it felt to me.
So ecclesiastical celibacy is a foreign concept to my religious background, and I was taught it had no biblical foundation. (Does it? If so, where?) Plus, it hasn't been all that successful a thing anyway, has it? The early Irish priests ignored it completely and they had a more stable church. The rest of Europe didn't follow it either from what I can see watching the Borgias ( :P ). Then there's the whole other issue the church is dealing with today.
When you control sex...you control life.
It's a political consideration, not a religious one.
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 15, 2012, 01:20:59 PM
When you control sex...you control life.
Who controls the Spice... controls the universe!
The Protestant services I've gone to, excepting the Lutheran ones, seem more like some uncomfortable combination of infomercial and circus.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 15, 2012, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it.
Sure there is.
Now, I realize all you over-educated, post-humanist too-smart-assed-for-your-own-good cynical fuckwheats blithely dismiss the concept of ecclesiastical celibacy, but that doesn't make it any less important in its historical context in the symbolism of aspiring from the mere existence of man to that of divinity.
If anything, it is the most virtuous of all virtues. Fucking pagan.
Too bad that most virtuous of virtues had the reality that priests just diddled altar boys instead.
Quote from: garbon on June 15, 2012, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 15, 2012, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it.
Sure there is.
Now, I realize all you over-educated, post-humanist too-smart-assed-for-your-own-good cynical fuckwheats blithely dismiss the concept of ecclesiastical celibacy, but that doesn't make it any less important in its historical context in the symbolism of aspiring from the mere existence of man to that of divinity.
If anything, it is the most virtuous of all virtues. Fucking pagan.
Too bad that most virtuous of virtues had the reality that priests just diddled altar boys instead.
That is a separate issue and you know that. Don't get all pissy with Holy Mother Church just because you're damned to hell for all eternity for pillowbiting.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 15, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 15, 2012, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 15, 2012, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it.
Sure there is.
Now, I realize all you over-educated, post-humanist too-smart-assed-for-your-own-good cynical fuckwheats blithely dismiss the concept of ecclesiastical celibacy, but that doesn't make it any less important in its historical context in the symbolism of aspiring from the mere existence of man to that of divinity.
If anything, it is the most virtuous of all virtues. Fucking pagan.
Too bad that most virtuous of virtues had the reality that priests just diddled altar boys instead.
That is a separate issue and you know that. Don't get all pissy with Holy Mother Church just because you're damned to hell for all eternity for pillowbiting.
Yes and no. We're obviously dealing with a bunch of sexually frustrated individuals.
Anyway, I think I'm damned to hell for more reasons than that.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 15, 2012, 07:50:55 AM
He would be a worshiper of Slaneesh for sure.
Of the existing Chaos gods, the right choice is Nurgle. Nurgle cares about you and brings stability.
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2012, 07:54:30 AM
Is there a Chaos God of tea, chastity and disabilities?
There's a theory that, as the Chaos gods are manifestations of belief and emotion, the fervent faith in the Emperor from the untold numbers of his subjects would surely have created a Chaos god by now, except the Emperor languishes in his mortal prison as a vegetable. When he is finally freed from the shackles of the Golden Throne, presumably he'd represent things like order, fealty, blind faith and rigid adherence to hierarchy. He is the fascist we all deeply desire to save us from the uncertainty of the universe.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it. A person who withholds intimacy from their significant other is doing them a great injustice. It's at the bottom level of Maslow's heirarchy of needs. Right down there with breathing, food and water.
You may agree morality is subjective- especially because what you are saying runs counter to a lot of established human morality over the years. I certainly think it has moral value, and have little and less interest in a woman who debases herself. There's room for a plurality of opinions on the subject though, right? Nobody is saying you have to pursue self-denial.
The Emperor. :wub:
Quote from: garbon on June 15, 2012, 03:37:25 PM
Yes and no. We're obviously dealing with a bunch of sexually frustrated individuals.
Yeah, but that comes down to proper vetting of candidates, which the Church has never had policies for.
People seeking solace in the cloth in order for God to solve their own demons is not the correct methodology for accepting those into the priesthood. What they've always needed to do is conduct a background investigation and psych profile on priesthood that would rival a TS/SCI clearance, along with ongoing background checks for the rest of their careers.
QuoteAnyway, I think I'm damned to hell for more reasons than that.
Meh, you and me both. And I ain't never bit a pillow.
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2012, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 15, 2012, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 11:05:25 AM
People are not meant to live a chaste life. There is no moral virtue in it.
Sure there is.
Now, I realize all you over-educated, post-humanist too-smart-assed-for-your-own-good cynical fuckwheats blithely dismiss the concept of ecclesiastical celibacy, but that doesn't make it any less important in its historical context in the symbolism of aspiring from the mere existence of man to that of divinity.
If anything, it is the most virtuous of all virtues. Fucking pagan.
Sure. Historical significance. But these days, we know better than to believe in gods.
These days people believe in science, with scientists and doctors being the priest cast, and alien believer being the new heresies.
Ugh, Warhammer. There are way too many Warhammer-tards in my line of work.
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 15, 2012, 06:25:59 PM
Ugh, Warhammer. There are way too many Warhammer-tards in my line of work.
Hey man, I'm all about the RPGs only. A much more fucked up world than the minis. :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 15, 2012, 06:27:40 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 15, 2012, 06:25:59 PM
Ugh, Warhammer. There are way too many Warhammer-tards in my line of work.
Hey man, I'm all about the RPGs only. A much more fucked up world than the minis. :mad:
It mostly amuses me when they complain about how GW keeps making them buy all this new/expensive crap(or raise prices on said crap)...and then keep buying it. :lol:
The Emperor would not be a Chaos God, and I dont think he was really a fascist. UNless his worshipers' perception of him were to define his traits.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 15, 2012, 01:06:06 PM
You forget, I grew up very protestant. The first time I attended a Catholic mass, I was literally frightened and uneasy by all the rituals and claptrap. I couldn't wait to get out of there. Imagine attending a ceremony where people are speaking in tongues and doing snake handling and shit. That's how alien it felt to me.
Perhaps. I was raised atheist; and the Catholic Christmas mass I went to was probably the second nicest time I've ever had in church. (The first was a Baptist Christmas... whatever it's called, service, but it was nicest because I had my family there).
At the Catholic deal, the chanting, that would have sounded okay in Latin, was a little hilarious in English. Otherwise, my only other complaint was that I didn't get to have a cracker when everyone else did. Bigots.
You only left me a cracker but at least I got me a cracker.