I'm curious if anyone else is getting creeped out by the happenings of late. Physical assaults on Congressmen, teabaggers storming town hall meetings to avoid letting Congressmen talk to constituents and starting fights, while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
WTF is going on?
The American people have had enough of the lies and backroom deals. They're standing up and speaking out. America will not go quietly down the road to socialist oblivion. Inspired by the brave people of Iran, Americans are shouting down the demagogues.
Quote from: citizen k on August 06, 2009, 11:05:12 PM
America will not go quietly down the road to socialist oblivion.
:cry:
Gimme my health care already. <_<
The Twitter Revolution 2.0? Though, if it came to that I think a name including "teabagger" would be best.
Quote from: citizen k on August 06, 2009, 11:05:12 PM
The American people have had enough of the lies and backroom deals. They're standing up and speaking out. America will not go quietly down the road to socialist oblivion. Inspired by the brave people of Iran, Americans are shouting down the demagogues.
but is it really "The American People" or just the vocal fringe minority? I know I have neither beat up a Congressman or teabagged anyone recently.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
I'm curious if anyone else is getting creeped out by the happenings of late. Physical assaults on Congressmen, teabaggers storming town hall meetings to avoid letting Congressmen talk to constituents and starting fights, while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
WTF is going on?
It's not like the right was the epitome of rationality when in power.
Quote from: DGuller on August 06, 2009, 11:24:58 PM
It's not like the right was the epitome of rationality when in power.
Fair point, but I thought it'd take a bit longer before they started hanging people in effigy.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
What are the choices?
Quote from: sbr on August 06, 2009, 11:10:34 PM
Quote from: citizen k on August 06, 2009, 11:05:12 PM
The American people have had enough of the lies and backroom deals. They're standing up and speaking out. America will not go quietly down the road to socialist oblivion. Inspired by the brave people of Iran, Americans are shouting down the demagogues.
but is it really "The American People" or just the vocal fringe minority? I know I have neither beat up a Congressman or teabagged anyone recently.
I'm looking forward to Obama's "Silent Majority" speeches and nocturnal meetings with disgruntled GOPers at the Lincoln Memorial discussing college basketball.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 06, 2009, 11:27:55 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
What are the choices?
My mistake. "Only" 28% of them don't think he was:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/019306.php
It's a plurality (39%) who think it's gotten too little coverage: http://people-press.org/report/533/many-fault-media-coverage-of-health-care
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 11:27:14 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 06, 2009, 11:24:58 PM
It's not like the right was the epitome of rationality when in power.
Fair point, but I thought it'd take a bit longer before they started hanging people in effigy.
I didn't. It was clear that the right was primed for a major meltdown right from the start.
This meltdown has been 8 years in the making- things started going downhill right alongside the Twin Towers, so how could we expect anything less than a full-blown party-wide temper tantrum?
Yes, we are all insane & you should be very afraid :)
Quote from: derspiess on August 06, 2009, 11:44:35 PM
Yes, we are all insane & you should be very afraid :)
Not overly so; all that's happening is the right is shrinking to angry white men. But it's weird to watch in action.
I am concerned. This kind of insanity bred in an echo chamber is extremely unhealthy.
Quote from: DGuller on August 06, 2009, 11:57:36 PM
I am concerned. This kind of insanity bred in an echo chamber is extremely unhealthy.
Sorry, we're not going to address your concerns and instead make witticisms.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
Physical assaults on Congressmen
:huh: What the hell did I miss?
Quote
John W. Whitehead HuffPost
"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical....It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."-- Thomas Jefferson to James Madison (Jan. 30, 1787)
Here's a breaking news alert for all Americans: if you take part in protest rallies, voice your discontent through picket signs, or disrupt events with yelling or intermittent shouts, then you are likely a right-wing extremist or a member of an angry mob, and you must be silenced.
At least that's the chilling message coming from the Democratic National Committee. It's the same "you're either with us or against us" attitude that George W. Bush loved to trot out. This time, however, the bone of contention is health care and it's Democrats who are trying to drown out any opposition.
Responding to the increasingly vocal protests of Americans who are concerned about the Obama administration's plans to overhaul health care, the DNC has released "Enough of the Mob," a web ad that attacks the constitutionally protected right to protest. "The Right-wing extremist Republican base is back," proclaims the ad. "Desperate Republicans and their well-funded allies are organizing angry mobs... This mob activity is straight from the playbook of high level Republican political operatives. They have no plan for moving our country forward, so they've called out the mob. Call the Republican Party. Tell them you've had enough of the mob."
President Obama has taken this chilling message one step further, actually encouraging Americans to report on those who are spreading "disinformation about health insurance reform." As the White House blog states, "These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected]." This is the official message coming out of the White House.
Bear in mind, this is the same administration whose Department of Homeland Security not long ago issued a report defining rightwing extremists as individuals and groups "that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely." That same report used the words "terrorist" and "extremist" interchangeably in describing dissenting Americans. In other words, voicing what the government would consider to be unfavorable views about its policies is tantamount to being a terrorist.
Months ago, I warned that the government would be targeting for surveillance those who disagree with the administration politically. Now we see it unfolding before our very eyes. The Obama administration is trying, none too subtly, to put down a resistance movement.
Thomas Jefferson, that revolutionary patriot who advocated rebellion every 20 years or so in order to remind the government that a spirit of resistance flourished among the people, must be turning over in his grave.
After all, the people who fomented the American Revolution did so using the same tactics as those protesting Obama's health care plan and the nation's mounting debt. They spoke out at rallies, distributed critical pamphlets, wrote scathing editorials and took to the streets in protest. They were rebelling against a government they saw as being excessive in its taxation and spending. For their efforts, they, too, were demonized and painted as an angry mob, extremists akin to terrorists, by the ruler of the day, King George III.
It's a sad statement on the political bias of many within the civil liberties arena that few outside conservative circles have spoken out against these overt attempts to quell constitutionally protected speech. Had it been George Bush attempting something similar, the outcry among liberals would have been tremendous.
So where is the outrage?
No matter what your political persuasion may be, every American has a First Amendment right to speak their mind, gather together and protest against government programs with which they disagree. And there's a lot to be concerned about. For example, the secretive nature of Obama's administration and his seeming disregard for civil liberties has some on both sides of the aisle asking what happened to the change they were promised. Congressional corruption is rampant: 17 lawmakers are currently under investigation for allegedly breaking ethical standards. Government spending is out of control: the House of Representatives actually approved nearly $200 million to buy themselves three deluxe jets. This list goes on and on.
It should be noted that much of the so-called mob's ire is being directed at lawmakers who are back home during Congress' summer recess. As one newspaper reported, "Concerns over the pace and breadth of health care reform have birthed a fiery wave of activism during the congressional recess as fearful citizens make their voices heard with resounding vigor."
Finally, Americans are taking the time to voice their concerns at town hall meetings and elsewhere, and that's as it should be.
This is democracy in action, and it's about time.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 07, 2009, 12:04:47 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
Physical assaults on Congressmen
:huh: What the hell did I miss?
VIOLENCE BREAKS OUT AT TAMPA TOWN HALL ON HEALTH CARE
Protesters Say They Had Been Spurred On By Conservative Activist Group, Fox News Host
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 07, 2009, 12:04:47 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
Physical assaults on Congressmen
:huh: What the hell did I miss?
Tampa's actually difft: http://www.rollcall.com/issues/55_19/news/37557-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
Quote from: derspiess on August 06, 2009, 11:44:35 PM
Yes, we are all insane & you should be very afraid :)
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. :hug:
Quote from: Faeelin on August 07, 2009, 12:08:58 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 07, 2009, 12:04:47 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
Physical assaults on Congressmen
:huh: What the hell did I miss?
Tampa's actually difft: http://www.rollcall.com/issues/55_19/news/37557-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS (http://www.rollcall.com/issues/55_19/news/37557-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS)
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Quote from: Liep on August 06, 2009, 11:08:38 PM
The Twitter Revolution 2.0? Though, if it came to that I think a name including "teabagger" would be best.
Teabaggers for Jesus and Freedom? :)
QuoteHere's a breaking news alert for all Americans: if you take part in protest rallies, voice your discontent through picket signs, or disrupt events with yelling or intermittent shouts, then you are likely a right-wing extremist or a member of an angry mob, and you must be silenced.
And that's different from the Bush Administration with its "protest zones", how exactly?
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 11:31:07 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 06, 2009, 11:27:55 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
What are the choices?
My mistake. "Only" 28% of them don't think he was:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/019306.php
It's a plurality (39%) who think it's gotten too little coverage: http://people-press.org/report/533/many-fault-media-coverage-of-health-care
Well, that's still less than the 35% of Democrats who believe that Bush was behind 9-11.
Yes when they elected Reagan the first time.
The American right has gone bananas.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
I'm curious if anyone else is getting creeped out by the happenings of late. Physical assaults on Congressmen, teabaggers storming town hall meetings to avoid letting Congressmen talk to constituents and starting fights, while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
WTF is going on?
You do know that it was the Democrat that assaulted the protester? So what's wrong with leftists? nevermind, we all know that violence comes natural to the left.
The American left has gone bananas.
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:15:49 AM
nevermind, we all know that violence comes natural to the left.
hmm. must be genetic. we all know that.
LOL can I be a Reichskommissar after the revolution comes? :)
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:09:53 AM
Well, that's still less than the 35% of Democrats who believe that Bush was behind 9-11.
Link?
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:15:49 AM
You do know that it was the Democrat that assaulted the protester? So what's wrong with leftists? nevermind, we all know that violence comes natural to the left.
Is it ever possible for you to actually describe what you're talking about? It's not really clear what you're referring to.
Are you old enough to remember the Clinton administration? I think this is par for the course.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
I'm curious if anyone else is getting creeped out by the happenings of late.
Nope
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:09:53 AM
Well, that's still less than the 35% of Democrats who believe that Bush was behind 9-11.
Well I am glad somebody is winning the who lies the most effectively to the American people award.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 07, 2009, 07:13:34 AM
Are you old enough to remember the Clinton administration? I think this is par for the course.
Yep. One of the main reasons people hate politics so much is most of the time we have to deal with people screaming about bullshit that only exists in their paranoid fantasies.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 07, 2009, 07:13:34 AM
Are you old enough to remember the Clinton administration? I think this is par for the course.
Yeah, certainly there was no insanity among the left during the Bush years.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 07:30:22 AMYep. One of the main reasons people hate politics so much is most of the time we have to deal with people screaming about bullshit that only exists in their paranoid fantasies.
90% of all political debate is driven by the 10% of people who scream the loudest.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
I'm curious if anyone else is getting creeped out by the happenings of late. Physical assaults on Congressmen, teabaggers storming town hall meetings to avoid letting Congressmen talk to constituents and starting fights, while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
WTF is going on?
When a significant number of them believe Michelle murdered one of her friends or that Obama is a rapist, we'll still only be back to the Clinton level of nonsense. I just realized that we had all sorts of fuss over Vince Foster's death and potential Hillary links, but hardly anything is said about another first lady that actually did kill some of her friends... :P
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 07, 2009, 07:31:18 AM
Yeah, certainly there was no insanity among the left during the Bush years.
Well we always knew the left was insane. Now there is no sane alternative anymore.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 07, 2009, 07:31:48 AMObama is a rapist
It's true
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New topic! Has the American Right/Left/Center Gone Gay?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 07, 2009, 07:31:18 AM
Yeah, certainly there was no insanity among the left during the Bush years.
I really don't remember death threats against Congressmen while Moveon told its supporters to make sure intelligent debate couldn't happen.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 07, 2009, 07:31:18 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 07, 2009, 07:13:34 AM
Are you old enough to remember the Clinton administration? I think this is par for the course.
Yeah, certainly there was no insanity among the left during the Bush years.
Of course there wasn't any. That's why they made the perfectly sane choice to not elect him for a third term. Didn't you see all the peaceful protest rallies and signs proclaiming that America cannot afford to elect Bush again.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 07, 2009, 08:02:41 AM
I really don't remember death threats against Congressmen while Moveon told its supporters to make sure intelligent debate couldn't happen.
Moveon's supporters wouldn't know intelligent debate if it took a dump on their heads.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 08:23:45 AM
Moveon's supporters wouldn't know intelligent debate if it took a dump on their heads.
That's not "intelligent" debate, that is "German" debate...
Not really. The left did this sort of stuff for 8 years.
See: Code Pink, WCW & others.
Quote from: Weatherman on August 07, 2009, 09:05:45 AM
Not really. The left did this sort of stuff for 8 years.
See: Code Pink, WCW & others.
World championship Wrestling? THE NWO IS A LEFTIST FRONT! :o
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:09:53 AM
Well, that's still less than the 35% of DemocratsMichael Moore-watching fucktards who believe that Bush was behind 9-11.
FYPFY.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 07, 2009, 09:14:29 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:09:53 AM
Well, that's still less than the 35% of DemocratsMichael Moore-watching fucktards who believe that Bush was behind 9-11.
FYPFY.
I watched that stupid Fahrenheit 9/11 film and not even Moore claimed Bush was behind 9/11. He went off on this bizarre tangent that alleged Bush was protecting the Saudis that rather baffled me though...
Quote from: Weatherman on August 07, 2009, 09:05:45 AM
Not really. The left did this sort of stuff for 800 years.
Fixed.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:17:32 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 07, 2009, 09:14:29 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:09:53 AM
Well, that's still less than the 35% of DemocratsMichael Moore-watching fucktards who believe that Bush was behind 9-11.
FYPFY.
I watched that stupid Fahrenheit 9/11 film and not even Moore claimed Bush was behind 9/11. He went off on this bizarre tangent that alleged Bush was protecting the Saudis that rather baffled me though...
You actually watched that shit? Was you trying to score some lefty pussy or something?
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 07, 2009, 09:18:53 AM
You actually watched that shit? Was you trying to score some lefty pussy or something?
Of course.
It: worked.
Apparently there were some raucous meetings in Michigan.
QuoteDingell forum on health care reforms gets raucous
By PATRICIA ANSTETT AND KATHLEEN GRAY • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • August 6, 2009
U.S. Rep. John Dingell was greeted with jeers and cheers today as he tried to explain why changing the nation's health care system — as he has advocated for more than a half-century in Congress — makes sense.
Dingell, 81, told a health care forum he sponsored in Romulus that the legislation won't pay for abortions, as some protesters said it would.
"There will be no payment of taxpayer funds for abortion," he said.
As Dingell tried to begin the forum, Mike Sola, of Milan, interrupted the congressman repeatedly as he pushed his son, Scott, in a wheelchair, to the podium. He said proposed changes wouldn't help Scott and called Dingell a fraud.
Even before the town hall began in Romulus, opponents of President Barack Obama's health plan engaged supporters.
"You may be dead in five years," Val Butsicaris, 60, of Taylor, shouted. "They may euthanize you."
She referred to concerns of government rationing of care for the elderly.
Mel Hoffer, 67, of Monroe, a retired Ford Motor Co. employee, said retired autoworkers have no guarantees.
"We may need something to fall back on," he said.
Earlier in Troy, about 200 people gathered outside the office of U.S. Rep. Gary Peters to let him know they don't like Obama's health care plan.
The organized protests that came to metro Detroit today followed others around the nation this week. In Petoskey on Wednesday, U.S. Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Menominee, faced shouts of "That's a lie" and "You've lost my vote" at a meeting with senior citizens.
Stupak is the bluest of the blue dogs; I'm surprised he'd shill for Obamacare. Peters was swept into office on Obama's coat tails; I don't think he'll be long for office no matter what he does. I feel bad for Dingell. I've been on the wrong side of community town halls enough times to know that an 81 year old man shouldn't have to deal with that.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:19:36 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 07, 2009, 09:18:53 AM
You actually watched that shit? Was you trying to score some lefty pussy or something?
Of course.
It: worked.
Good man.
QuoteAs Dingell tried to begin the forum, Mike Sola, of Milan, interrupted the congressman repeatedly as he pushed his son, Scott, in a wheelchair, to the podium. He said proposed changes wouldn't help Scott and called Dingell a fraud
"You may be dead in five years," Val Butsicaris, 60, of Taylor, shouted. "They may euthanize you."
Wow...crazy ass shit.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:22:52 AM
QuoteAs Dingell tried to begin the forum, Mike Sola, of Milan, interrupted the congressman repeatedly as he pushed his son, Scott, in a wheelchair, to the podium. He said proposed changes wouldn't help Scott and called Dingell a fraud
"You may be dead in five years," Val Butsicaris, 60, of Taylor, shouted. "They may euthanize you."
Wow...crazy ass shit.
Par for the course in community meetings. There are people who get bad information off the internet, fear any change, or are just plain nuts and crave an audience to share their nuttiness with. I get that trying to build cellular towers which will impact only a neighborhood. A new health care bill will impact the entire district; that's going to bring a lot more uninformed, fearful, crazy people together.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 07, 2009, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:22:52 AM
QuoteAs Dingell tried to begin the forum, Mike Sola, of Milan, interrupted the congressman repeatedly as he pushed his son, Scott, in a wheelchair, to the podium. He said proposed changes wouldn't help Scott and called Dingell a fraud
"You may be dead in five years," Val Butsicaris, 60, of Taylor, shouted. "They may euthanize you."
Wow...crazy ass shit.
Par for the course in community meetings. There are people who get bad information off the internet, fear any change, or are just plain nuts and crave an audience to share their nuttiness with. I get that trying to build cellular towers which will impact only a neighborhood. A new health care bill will impact the entire district; that's going to bring a lot more uninformed, fearful, crazy people together.
Cell phone towers fried my nuts. :mad:
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 11:46:05 PM
Not overly so; all that's happening is the right is shrinking to angry white men.
Except that's been said many times before & then later proven untrue.
Quote from: derspiess on August 07, 2009, 09:58:44 AM
Except that's been said many times before & then later proven untrue.
Or rather people underestimated the awesome power of angry white men.
This time though it seems more like crazy conspiracy men.
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:15:49 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
I'm curious if anyone else is getting creeped out by the happenings of late. Physical assaults on Congressmen, teabaggers storming town hall meetings to avoid letting Congressmen talk to constituents and starting fights, while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
WTF is going on?
You do know that it was the Democrat that assaulted the protester? So what's wrong with leftists? nevermind, we all know that violence comes natural to the left.
It does say in the story that the guy who was assaulted was one of the protesters trying to get in, and he was hurt by the people "guarding the door". Doesn't mean he didn't swing first though. It just means his attempt was a fail.
I haven't heard of any members of Congress being assaulted though.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 07, 2009, 10:00:30 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 07, 2009, 09:58:14 AM
Cell phone towers fried my nuts. :mad:
Sorry :(
I had a bag of
Nigger Toes Brazil nuts and the tower nearby fried them. :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 07, 2009, 09:12:29 AM
Quote from: Weatherman on August 07, 2009, 09:05:45 AM
Not really. The left did this sort of stuff for 8 years.
See: Code Pink, WCW & others.
World championship Wrestling? THE NWO IS A LEFTIST FRONT! :o
Yep. And Sting was a patriot fighting socialism.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 07, 2009, 10:12:40 AM
I had a bag of Nigger Toes Brazil nuts and the tower nearby fried them. :(
:D My grandpa used to call them that. We got in trouble if we repeated it, though.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 07:30:22 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 07, 2009, 07:13:34 AM
Are you old enough to remember the Clinton administration? I think this is par for the course.
Yep. One of the main reasons people hate politics so much is most of the time we have to deal with people screaming about bullshit that only exists in their paranoid fantasies.
:yes:
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:08:51 AM
This time though it seems more like crazy conspiracy men.
Are you saying there weren't oodles of conspiracy theorists in the 90s? Google "Vince Foster" if you'd like to refresh your memory ;)
Quote from: derspiess on August 07, 2009, 11:29:30 AM:D My grandpa used to call them that. We got in trouble if we repeated it, though.
Amy's grandpa STILL calls them that. :cool:
Quote from: derspiess on August 07, 2009, 11:37:49 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:08:51 AM
This time though it seems more like crazy conspiracy men.
Are you saying there weren't oodles of conspiracy theorists in the 90s? Google "Vince Foster" if you'd like to refresh your memory ;)
I remember that. I guess they just seem more mainstream now.
Eh or not. Perhaps it is not that people are getting stupider it is just that stupid people have alot more avenues to expose the world to their idiocy.
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 11:39:50 AM
Amy's grandpa STILL calls them that. :cool:
That's a state requirement for Kentucky grandfathers, I believe.
Maybe my views have been clouded by growing up during the clinton admin, but the right sure seems good at latching onto small things and making them huge. Ugly chick sucks your dick? Worst president ever, get rid of him. Universal health care? They can't afford it without killing all th old people!!
No. I never thought the Democrats were dominated by the MoveOnistas or truthers, unlike many people here. I don't think the Republicans have gone similarly mad and been dominated. But I think that serious leaders in the party need to stand up and say this sort of stuff is nonsense and it distracts from the real issues, in the way McCain did during the campaign when a woman started talking about how Obama's an Arab.
Well, I've noticed some of the conservative commentators on Fox ridiculing the "birthers."
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 11:58:16 AM
Maybe my views have been clouded by growing up during the clinton admin, but the right sure seems good at latching onto small things and making them huge. Ugly chick sucks your dick? Worst president ever, get rid of him. Universal health care? They can't afford it without killing all th old people!!
Health care is a small thing?
And yeah, birthers have gained widespread ridicule, even from the quasi-extreme right.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 07, 2009, 10:12:01 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:15:49 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
I'm curious if anyone else is getting creeped out by the happenings of late. Physical assaults on Congressmen, teabaggers storming town hall meetings to avoid letting Congressmen talk to constituents and starting fights, while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
WTF is going on?
You do know that it was the Democrat that assaulted the protester? So what's wrong with leftists? nevermind, we all know that violence comes natural to the left.
It does say in the story that the guy who was assaulted was one of the protesters trying to get in, and he was hurt by the people "guarding the door". Doesn't mean he didn't swing first though. It just means his attempt was a fail.
I haven't heard of any members of Congress being assaulted though.
I just saw the video of the event which had some SEIU union thugs beating up on a guy laying on the ground. I'm sure this is somehow proof that the right-wing has gone crazy. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 12:20:04 PM
I'm sure this is somehow proof that the right-wing has gone crazy. :rolleyes:
No we generally just have you around as proof of that.
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 07, 2009, 10:12:01 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:15:49 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
I'm curious if anyone else is getting creeped out by the happenings of late. Physical assaults on Congressmen, teabaggers storming town hall meetings to avoid letting Congressmen talk to constituents and starting fights, while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
WTF is going on?
You do know that it was the Democrat that assaulted the protester? So what's wrong with leftists? nevermind, we all know that violence comes natural to the left.
It does say in the story that the guy who was assaulted was one of the protesters trying to get in, and he was hurt by the people "guarding the door". Doesn't mean he didn't swing first though. It just means his attempt was a fail.
I haven't heard of any members of Congress being assaulted though.
I just saw the video of the event which had some SEIU union thugs beating up on a guy laying on the ground. I'm sure this is somehow proof that the right-wing has gone crazy. :rolleyes:
Dude, Unions haven't been part of "the Left" since the 50's at the latest. Just more fascism, in Red clothing. so yeah you are right it is more proof that the right wing is really just a bunch of thugs.
I'm so glad I had my "wings" removed. Partisanship is irrelevant to the actual problems of the world.
All the so-called "Parties" should be ruling the land, not standing around the schoolyard calling each other names.
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 11:58:16 AM
Maybe my views have been clouded by growing up during the clinton admin, but the right sure seems good at latching onto small things and making them huge. Ugly chick sucks your dick? Worst president ever, get rid of him. Universal health care? They can't afford it without killing all th old people!!
According to Jimmy Carter, Reagan was going to cut Medicare and kill off all the old people. According to Walter Mondale (during the next presidential campaign) he had already done so.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 07, 2009, 12:25:35 PM
All the so-called "Parties" should be ruling the land
Nah, they should be outlawed and we should vote for our leaders on an individual basis only.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 07, 2009, 12:25:35 PM
Dude, Unions haven't been part of "the Left" since the 50's at the latest. Just more fascism, in Red clothing. so yeah you are right it is more proof that the right wing is really just a bunch of thugs.
I'm so glad I had my "wings" removed. Partisanship is irrelevant to the actual problems of the world.
All the so-called "Parties" should be ruling the land, not standing around the schoolyard calling each other names.
Democrats & the unions are irrevocably tied together. Democrats (minus some blue dogs) = left. So yeah, unions = left.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 07, 2009, 10:12:40 AM
I had a bag of Nigger Toes Brazil nuts and the tower nearby fried them. :(
I was 30 years old before I knew there was another name for those. :blush:
Quote from: derspiess on August 07, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
Democrats & the unions are irrevocably tied together. Democrats (minus some blue dogs) = left. So yeah, unions = left.
Frankly if the Unions aren't leftwing I don't know who is.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 07, 2009, 12:39:56 PM
According to Jimmy Carter, Reagan was going to cut Medicare and kill off all the old people. According to Walter Mondale (during the next presidential campaign) he had already done so.
:lol:
Yeah I sometimes forget how Reagan was destroying America by cutting programs.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 07, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
Democrats & the unions are irrevocably tied together. Democrats (minus some blue dogs) = left. So yeah, unions = left.
Frankly if the Unions aren't leftwing I don't know who is.
I don't think they're traditionally left wing, if you think of a Starbucks-sipping New Yorker as a traditional left-winger. The union people could well be good right-wingers if not for the protection of their racket that Democrats pledge to them.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 07, 2009, 12:14:38 PM
Health care is a small thing?
No, the provision where old people can get end of life counciling (i think that's it) gets turned into they want to kill old people.
An interesting piece about 9/11 v. Birthers from fivethirtyeight:
QuoteOver at Real Clear Politics, David Paul Kuhn has a pretty good take on the recent Research 2000 / Daily Kos survey revealing that 58 percent of Repulicans either don't believe or aren't certain that Barack Obama was born in the United States. Kuhn points out that in a Rasmussen Reports poll in 2007, 61 percent of Democrats either believed that George W. Bush had advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, or weren't certain that he didn't.
I agree with Kuhn that there are lowlifes and imbeceles of every political persuasion, and that they ought to be treated with equal scorn. I also agree that the Birther "movement" has gotten far more media attention than it deserves. That's one reason that I've shied away from talking about it. People like Orly Taitz, the Russian-born dentist/real-estate-agent/attorney who has become the birthers' unofficial spokeswoman, ought to be institutionalized somewhere rather than being given a platform on cable news.
However, I don't buy that the two phenomena are entirely equivalent. For one, there are some quantitative differences. In the Research 2000 poll, only 7 percent of Democrats have doubts about Barack Obama's origins. That compares, in the Rasmussen poll, to 26 percent of Republicans who had doubts about George Bush's role in 9/11, and 43 percent who had doubts about whether the CIA had advanced knowledge of the attacks. Trutherism is pathetically widespread -- somewhat more so than birtherism -- and is also somewhat more "bipartisan" than its counterpart. By the way, I'd expect that you'd find a pretty wide overlap between the two groups -- that controlling for party ID and other factors, truthers are much more likely to be birthers and vice versa.
The other difference is qualitative. I can't recall any sitting Congressmen raising doubts about 9/11 (if I've forgotten one or two instances, I'm sure someone will remind me in the comments). On the other hand, quite a few Republican Congressmen have mimicked the birthers' doubts about Obama's place of origin. So, indeed, let's not give Taitz any more facetime. Instead, let's give Senators Jim Inhofe and Richard Shelby, and Represenatives John Campbell, Marsha Blackburn, Bill Posey, Roy Blunt and Dan Burton the ridicule they deserve for enabling these unpatriotic and malicious conspiracy theories.
What does "interesting" mean in this context?
Quote from: DGuller on August 07, 2009, 01:30:38 PM
I don't think they're traditionally left wing, if you think of a Starbucks-sipping New Yorker as a traditional left-winger. The union people could well be good right-wingers if not for the protection of their racket that Democrats pledge to them.
Union members are not necessarily leftwing, but the unions definitely are.
Quote from: garbon on August 07, 2009, 01:46:07 PM
What does "interesting" mean in this context?
Been watching Jon Stewart (esp Jamie Oliver) this week?
Quote from: garbon on August 07, 2009, 01:46:07 PM
What does "interesting" mean in this context?
About as much as the Republicans who "aren't sure" if Obama was born in the US. "Aren't sure" can easily mean "I never gave it much thought" or "I don't care".
Quote from: Faeelin on August 07, 2009, 01:39:51 PM
The other difference is qualitative. I can't recall any sitting Congressmen raising doubts about 9/11 (if I've forgotten one or two instances, I'm sure someone will remind me in the comments).
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:lol: Yeah, her.
Did you guys hear the thing recently about how Cynthia was arrested by the Israelis for trying to smuggle arms into Gaza? :blink:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 07, 2009, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 07, 2009, 01:39:51 PM
The other difference is qualitative. I can't recall any sitting Congressmen raising doubts about 9/11 (if I've forgotten one or two instances, I'm sure someone will remind me in the comments).
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Heh, that 'do makes her look like she's just escaped the asylum. :lol:
So from Faelin's polls (taken at face value from the article, which is probably too generous):
truthers: 61% dems, 26% reps
birthers: 7% dems, 58% reps
Two conclusions I can draw from this that might be "interesting":
1) since anyone in either group is stupid, at least 61% of democrats and 58% of republicans are functionally braindead (I can believe this)
2) when it comes to silly consipiracy theories, at least 7% of democrats and 26% of republicans are so dumb they will fall for them even if it dooms their own side.
I'm ignoring the CIA question, because the question isn't overtly political, the article didn't say what the percentages were for democrats, and there is good evidence that intelligence agencies had information that could have foreseen 9/11 if they had put it all together.
Incidentally it's worth remembering that in the UK when we actually had socialism attack politics was ridiculous. Churchill said that Labour would establish something like the 'Gestapo' (this was an attack on a man who'd been his Deputy PM for a number of years, a party he'd been in coalition with and whose leaders had sat in his cabinet). During the nationalisation of healthcare the attacks in the Times letter page got over-heated as well. A number compared Nye Bevan with Hitler :bleeding:
An opposition always goes nutty when, for whatiever reason, they not only dislike the policy but its supporter in a vociferous way.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 07, 2009, 02:03:38 PM
truthers: 61% dems, 26% reps
birthers: 7% dems, 58% reps
Two conclusions I can draw from this that might be "interesting":
1) since anyone in either group is stupid, at least 61% of democrats and 58% of republicans are functionally braindead (I can believe this)
2) when it comes to silly consipiracy theories, at least 7% of democrats and 26% of republicans are so dumb they will fall for them even if it dooms their own side.
I think there's some overlap between truthers and birthers. I know that one of the more prominent birthers is also a prominent truther and it sort of makes sense, because they're both about not having control of your government. The truthers are more offensive, of course, but I think the impulse is the same:
someone else is running things against me and there's next to nothing I can do.
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 01:53:02 PM
:lol: Yeah, her.
Did you guys hear the thing recently about how Cynthia was arrested by the Israelis for trying to smuggle arms into Gaza? :blink:
She's our Rimbaud. :frog:
I had only heard that it was humanitarian supplies. If she was gun-running that's much more entertaining.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 07, 2009, 09:58:14 AM
Cell phone towers fried my nuts. :mad:
Couldn't have been too bad, given that your girlie is now pumping out children like some kinda Catholic.
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 07, 2009, 02:03:51 PM
Incidentally it's worth remembering that in the UK when we actually had socialism attack politics was ridiculous. Churchill said that Labour would establish something like the 'Gestapo' (this was an attack on a man who'd been his Deputy PM for a number of years, a party he'd been in coalition with and whose leaders had sat in his cabinet). During the nationalisation of healthcare the attacks in the Times letter page got over-heated as well. A number compared Nye Bevan with Hitler :bleeding:
An opposition always goes nutty when, for whatiever reason, they not only dislike the policy but its supporter in a vociferous way.
Modern american politics has advanced to a point that we don't compare people to Nazis. Right Hans?
Quote from: alfred russel on August 07, 2009, 02:07:14 PM
Modern american politics has advanced to a point that we don't compare people to Nazis. Right Hans?
I hope so; Obamahitler just doesn't have the same ring to it. :(
Quote from: Savonarola on August 07, 2009, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 07, 2009, 02:07:14 PM
Modern american politics has advanced to a point that we don't compare people to Nazis. Right Hans?
I hope so; Obamahitler just doesn't have the same ring to it. :(
I was referring to Hans' avatar, but yeah, bush got the comparisons too.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 07, 2009, 02:12:46 PM
I was referring to Hans' avatar, but yeah, bush got the comparisons too.
Wait wait Bushitler was not the President's name?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 07, 2009, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 07, 2009, 01:39:51 PM
The other difference is qualitative. I can't recall any sitting Congressmen raising doubts about 9/11 (if I've forgotten one or two instances, I'm sure someone will remind me in the comments).
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:lol:
That's a wonderful picture of her
Quote from: merithyn on August 07, 2009, 12:55:00 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 07, 2009, 10:12:40 AM
I had a bag of Nigger Toes Brazil nuts and the tower nearby fried them. :(
I was 30 years old before I knew there was another name for those. :blush:
Tsk tsk tsk tsk.
Quote from: Neil on August 07, 2009, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 07, 2009, 09:58:14 AM
Cell phone towers fried my nuts. :mad:
Couldn't have been too bad, given that your girlie is now pumping out children like some kinda Catholic.
And now that Eviro fruitloops want people to have less kids, I'm gonna increase production.
Quote from: Savonarola on August 07, 2009, 02:06:16 PMShe's our Rimbaud. :frog:
I had only heard that it was humanitarian supplies. If she was gun-running that's much more entertaining.
Yes, yes, and the Lusitania did not have any munitions aboard. :rolleyes:
I liked the way the union thug justified his assault on the protester by exclaiming "He attacked America!" :lmfao:
It just seems like 6 months ago when dissent was the highest form of patriotism, today the president calls out his shock troops to beat you up if you dare to disagree.
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 04:01:19 PM
It just seems like 6 months ago when dissent was the highest form of patriotism, today the president calls out his shock troops to beat you up if you dare to disagree.
WTF? You cannot even make fun of a nutty Union guy without looking batshit insane? Come on Hans that should be like shooting fish in a barrel.
The President's shock troops :tinfoil: hehe Obamahitler.
I have heard that Hitler wasn't even born in Germany. The similarities are scary.
Quote from: The Brain on August 07, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
I have heard that Hitler wasn't even born in Germany. The similarities are scary.
:lol:
Quote from: derspiess on August 07, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Union members are not necessarily leftwing, but the unions definitely are.
Of course not, some are sell-outs like me! :D
Quote from: Strix on August 07, 2009, 04:56:28 PM
Of course not, some are sell-outs like me! :D
:yes:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 07, 2009, 04:57:59 PM
Quote from: Strix on August 07, 2009, 04:56:28 PM
Of course not, some are sell-outs like me! :D CHA CHING! CHA CHING!
:yes:
I fixed it. My reply was missing something.
Quote from: The Brain on August 07, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
I have heard that Hitler wasn't even born in Germany. The similarities are scary.
:lmfao:
Did Bush have prior knowledge of 9/11 is not a good comparison for Obama's Indonesian birth because we know Bush did in fact have prior knowledge.
A better comparison might be Democrats who think Bush knew Saddam did not have WMD.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 07, 2009, 07:29:50 PM
Did Bush have prior knowledge of 9/11 is not a good comparison for Obama's Indonesian birth because we know Bush did in fact have prior knowledge.
A better comparison might be Democrats who think Bush knew Saddam did not have WMD.
:huh:
Quote from: derspiess on August 07, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 07, 2009, 12:25:35 PM
Dude, Unions haven't been part of "the Left" since the 50's at the latest. Just more fascism, in Red clothing. so yeah you are right it is more proof that the right wing is really just a bunch of thugs.
I'm so glad I had my "wings" removed. Partisanship is irrelevant to the actual problems of the world.
All the so-called "Parties" should be ruling the land, not standing around the schoolyard calling each other names.
Democrats & the unions are irrevocably tied together. Democrats (minus some blue dogs) = left. So yeah, unions = left.
But what I'm saying is that their whole organization has become far too mafia like. Or Business like if you prefer. Like insurance which originally was just there for you when you needed it, not only if you have a narrowly defined event covered exactly , down to the adjectives.
Unions only work on a small scale like a student union at a single school, or Unions that emphasize their locality much more strongly than the big amalgamated ones.
Otherwise it's just another layer of bureaucracy keeping you paying to stand in line.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 07, 2009, 09:47:39 PM
But what I'm saying is that their whole organization has become far too mafia like. Or Business like if you prefer. Like insurance which originally was just there for you when you needed it, not only if you have a narrowly defined event covered exactly , down to the adjectives.
Unions only work on a small scale like a student union at a single school, or Unions that emphasize their locality much more strongly than the big amalgamated ones.
Otherwise it's just another layer of bureaucracy keeping you paying to stand in line.
The organization you describe could be left or right wing...
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 07, 2009, 07:29:50 PM
Did Bush have prior knowledge of 9/11 is not a good comparison for Obama's Indonesian birth because we know Bush did in fact have prior knowledge.
We do?
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 07, 2009, 09:58:14 AM
Cell phone towers fried my nuts. :mad:
When? In the past week? :ph34r:
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote [on her facebook page].
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090808/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_health_care
Ladies and gents, this is the woman the GOP thought should be vice president.
That does sound like it will save on health care costs; maybe Obama's plan isn't so bad after all.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 07, 2009, 11:15:54 PM
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote [on her facebook page].
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090808/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_health_care
Ladies and gents, this is the woman the GOP thought should be vice president.
:blink: WTF? Doesn't she realize her down-syndrome baby would rank higher than welfare mommies and the chronically unemployed in the eyes of the bleeding-heart liberals?
Quote from: Faeelin on August 07, 2009, 11:15:54 PM
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote [on her facebook page].
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090808/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_health_care (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090808/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_health_care)
Ladies and gents, this is the woman the GOP thought should be vice president.
Who the fuck cares? She's not in a position to do anything anymore. Get over it.
Quote from: Weatherman on August 07, 2009, 11:31:18 PM
Who the fuck cares? She's not in a position to do anything anymore. Get over it.
Get over it? I just heard about it 2 seconds ago. How fast am I expected to process public statements that the Democrats are going to send out roving death squads to euthanize the weak?
Quote from: Valmy on August 08, 2009, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: Weatherman on August 07, 2009, 11:31:18 PM
Who the fuck cares? She's not in a position to do anything anymore. Get over it.
Get over it? I just heard about it 2 seconds ago.
That was directed to Faeelin. ;)
So what's up Valmy? I'm bored. :(
Quote from: Weatherman on August 08, 2009, 12:36:49 AM
So what's up Valmy? I'm bored. :(
Nothing I just got done playing Mass Effect...about to go to bed...my office is a mess.
Quote from: Valmy on August 08, 2009, 12:38:42 AM
Quote from: Weatherman on August 08, 2009, 12:36:49 AM
So what's up Valmy? I'm bored. :(
Nothing I just got done playing Mass Effect...about to go to bed...my office is a mess.
Any good? I'm looking for a new game.
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 08:59:00 PM:huh:
It's a semantic issue. We all know the CIA warned the White House that there was a possibility of an AQ terrorist attack directed against the terrritorial United States. An average person seeing the question "did Bush have prior knowledge of the 9/11 attack" could interpret that to mean did he have *any* prior knowledge.
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 06:15:49 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 06, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
I'm curious if anyone else is getting creeped out by the happenings of late. Physical assaults on Congressmen, teabaggers storming town hall meetings to avoid letting Congressmen talk to constituents and starting fights, while a plurality of the GOP believe Obama wasn't born in America.
WTF is going on?
You do know that it was the Democrat that assaulted the protester? So what's wrong with leftists? nevermind, we all know that violence comes natural to the left.
Damn you, Hans. You ruined your online persona for me with your squeaky-voiced-fatso kid video you posted. No matter of trolling and posturing will fix that now. :(
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 12:20:04 PM
I'm sure this is somehow proof that the right-wing has gone crazy. :rolleyes:
No we generally just have you around as proof of that.
No, we have him as a proof that the right has gone obese and never reached puberty.
Marty, do you ever get tired of yourself? Posting a lame fatso comment twice in a row...it's just sad.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 01:23:46 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on August 07, 2009, 12:39:56 PM
According to Jimmy Carter, Reagan was going to cut Medicare and kill off all the old people. According to Walter Mondale (during the next presidential campaign) he had already done so.
:lol:
Yeah I sometimes forget how Reagan was destroying America by cutting programs.
Well, maybe he did not destroy America, but by cutting funding to mental health treatment, he pushed many mental health patients into the streets. And lack of funding offered to HIV treatment/prevention at the early stage of the epidemic is responsible for the fact that the disease was not contained earlier (unlike, say in Britain, where Maggie, to her credit and despite any political/ideological views she may have had, tackled the problem much more seriously).
Quote from: DGuller on August 07, 2009, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 07, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
Democrats & the unions are irrevocably tied together. Democrats (minus some blue dogs) = left. So yeah, unions = left.
Frankly if the Unions aren't leftwing I don't know who is.
I don't think they're traditionally left wing, if you think of a Starbucks-sipping New Yorker as a traditional left-winger. The union people could well be good right-wingers if not for the protection of their racket that Democrats pledge to them.
Well, I don't think this is limited to the unions - in fact, I'd say most of the left is like this. The left is much more diverse than the right, because it has traditionally represented interests of various groups that felt oppressed by the system and sought to change the status quo, whereas the right has usually represented the status quo and thus has been much more monolithic.
A gay executive from San Francisco, a latte-sipping New York Jewish intellectual, a black person from Arkansas and a unionised worker from Detroit have very little to do with each other, despite this alliance of convenience, and one is not more "leftist" than another (although, possibly, the more politically aware ones realize they need to keep the alliance going, so pay lip service to the overall ideals more than the less educated/aware ones (thus you will have more gay executives and Jewish intellectuals denouncing racism and oppression of workers, than you will have black Christians or white workers denouncing homophobia and antisemitism). :P
Quote from: Hansmeister on August 07, 2009, 08:59:00 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 07, 2009, 07:29:50 PM
Did Bush have prior knowledge of 9/11 is not a good comparison for Obama's Indonesian birth because we know Bush did in fact have prior knowledge.
A better comparison might be Democrats who think Bush knew Saddam did not have WMD.
:huh:
The 9/11 thing is slightly more confusing since many people believe the government was warned by several sources and did nothing out of incompetance. For the Truthers the question would be closer to "Did Bush engineer 9/11"
The Right will stop these mob activities when someone bombs a federal building. We already had an abortion doctor killed and Free Republic birther shoot up a holocaust museum.
Oh and some right wingers picked a fight at one of these town hall in St. Louis the other day.
Quote from: garbon on August 08, 2009, 02:23:21 AM
Marty, do you ever get tired of yourself? Posting a lame fatso comment twice in a row...it's just sad.
Marti checked his weight this morning and he gained half a kilo. So he is lashing out.
I KNEW I shouldn't have ate those bon bons!
Quote from: garbon on August 08, 2009, 02:23:21 AM
Marty, do you ever get tired of yourself? Posting a lame fatso comment twice in a row...it's just sad.
Martinus has some pretty deep-seated problems regarding his personal appearance. He's overcompensating.
Quote from: Neil on August 08, 2009, 07:41:25 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 08, 2009, 02:23:21 AM
Marty, do you ever get tired of yourself? Posting a lame fatso comment twice in a row...it's just sad.
Martinus has some pretty deep-seated problems regarding his personal appearance. He's overcompensating.
Well to be fair, you would to if you were looked like Marty.
Quote from: DGuller on August 07, 2009, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 07, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
Democrats & the unions are irrevocably tied together. Democrats (minus some blue dogs) = left. So yeah, unions = left.
Frankly if the Unions aren't leftwing I don't know who is.
I don't think they're traditionally left wing, if you think of a Starbucks-sipping New Yorker as a traditional left-winger. The union people could well be good right-wingers if not for the protection of their racket that Democrats pledge to them.
Gotta agree with DG - the fact that Strix is cheerleading for Unions just shows that their loyalty is pretty much not at all based on ideology, but on personal best interest.
They are "left" only because the left bought them. Or rather the left is pro-union because the unions bought them, actually.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 07, 2009, 11:15:54 PM
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote [on her facebook page].
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090808/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_health_care
Ladies and gents, this is the woman the GOP thought should be vice president.
:bleeding:
Every time I get despondent over voting for Obama, Sarah is kind enough to remind me why it was necessary.
Thanks Sarah!
Quote from: Berkut on August 08, 2009, 09:46:44 AM
Thanks Sarah!
:w00t:
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There is something seriously wrong with that women.
Quote from: Berkut on August 08, 2009, 09:46:44 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 07, 2009, 11:15:54 PM
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote [on her facebook page].
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090808/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_health_care
Ladies and gents, this is the woman the GOP thought should be vice president.
:bleeding:
Every time I get despondent over voting for Obama, Sarah is kind enough to remind me why it was necessary.
Thanks Sarah!
McCain isn't dead yet.
Quote from: The Brain on August 07, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
I have heard that Hitler wasn't even born in Germany. The similarities are scary.
:D
Quote from: Razgovory on August 08, 2009, 10:08:55 AM
There is something seriously wrong with that women.
I agree. Especially the one looking like George Bush.
Quote from: The Brain on August 07, 2009, 04:07:06 PM
I have heard that Hitler wasn't even born in Germany. The similarities are scary.
OMG!!! Obama wasn't born in Germany either!!!! OMG Obamitler!!!!!
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LIVE VIDEO: President Obama holds news conference with leaders from Canada and Mexico
Protesters Demand Apology For Fracas At Town Hall Meeting
By Teresa Woodard
August 8, 2009
CENTRAL WEST END (KTVI-FOX2now.com) - About 200 people, many members of the so called "tea party" movement in St. Louis, held a peaceful protest outside the offices of the Service Employees International Union Saturday, demanding an apology after a fracas at a town hall meeting in South County Thursday night. A fist fight broke out outside a senior care forum held by Representative Russ Carnahan at Bernard Middle School. People on both sides of the health care reform issue showed up at the rally. And one individual claims he was beaten by members of the SEIU. There were six arrests.
The St. Louis Tea Party organized the rally Saturday, and Ken Gladney, who says he was the target of the attack, was there in a wheelchair.
The crowd was peaceful, but demanded an apology from SEIU, Rep. Carnahan, and President Obama.
No one from SEIU appeared to be inside the offices in the Central West End, where the protest was held.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w&feature=player_embedded
WTF people. Leave the debating to the professionals. I know I shouldn't think that way, this is getting out of hand.
Quote from: Berkut on August 08, 2009, 09:46:44 AM
:bleeding:
Every time I get despondent over voting for Obama, Sarah is kind enough to remind me why it was necessary.
Thanks Sarah!
Yep, thank God we don't have a half-wit nutjob as Vice President now, right? :lol:
Quote from: derspiess on August 10, 2009, 12:49:08 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 08, 2009, 09:46:44 AM
:bleeding:
Every time I get despondent over voting for Obama, Sarah is kind enough to remind me why it was necessary.
Thanks Sarah!
Yep, thank God we don't have a half-wit nutjob as Vice President now, right? :lol:
Dude, Biden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin.
And odds of Obama dropping dead in office <<<<<<<<< odds of McCain dropping dead in office.
Quote from: Berkut on August 10, 2009, 12:55:10 PM
Dude, Biden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin.
And odds of Obama dropping dead in office <<<<<<<<< odds of McCain dropping dead in office.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I love Biden. He's goofy, he told Euros off during the Bush Administration and may drop an F-Bomb on TV.
I got in the car today to go to a funeral. Soon as I started the car I heard Rush Limbaugh say these words. Hitler, Lenin, Stalin all men of the left. At least I know where Hans gets it now.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 10, 2009, 02:55:33 PM
I got in the car today to go to a funeral. Soon as I started the car I heard Rush Limbaugh say these words. Hitler, Lenin, Stalin all men of the left. At least I know where Hans gets it now.
People put too much stock into that left/right thing.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 10, 2009, 03:03:24 PM
People put too much stock into that left/right thing.
Indeed. Especially internationally, it's not very useful.
Quote from: Maximus on August 10, 2009, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 10, 2009, 03:03:24 PM
People put too much stock into that left/right thing.
Indeed. Especially internationally, it's not very useful.
I dunno. Since it didn't originate in our country it is sort of an international thing.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 10, 2009, 04:46:09 PM
I dunno. Since it didn't originate in our country it is sort of an international thing.
It's French actually. I'm a hardcore leftist because I want to tear down the Ancien Regime, you see. How can that not be relevant today?
I suppose the french term "third world" is also useless. You should jump on someone for using the outdated term.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 10, 2009, 05:47:04 PM
I suppose the french term "third world" is also useless. You should jump on someone for using the outdated term.
Indeed. The term is now "Developing Countries". :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on August 10, 2009, 05:49:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 10, 2009, 05:47:04 PM
I suppose the french term "third world" is also useless. You should jump on someone for using the outdated term.
Indeed. The term is now "Developing Countries". :contract:
"shitholes"
You mean Human Resource Rich Countries.
Quote from: Iormlund on August 10, 2009, 06:44:41 PM
You mean Human Resource Rich Countries.
:o That's brilliant! :D