Strangely, I don't think there's a thread on this. What's interesting is not that he killed three random MILFs, but rather how much written and video material he left explaining his motivations. Psychologists everywhere are jizzing, no doubt.
On a related note, Ed Rendell is a fucking moron. He made a public comment about how he "couldn't understand how someone this crazy could get his hands on all of these guns" (paraphrasing). Dumbass, the guy had no criminal record. :huh:
QuoteGunman at Pa. health club was bitter over women
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM (AP) – 40 minutes ago
BRIDGEVILLE, Pa. — Friends mourned for three women fatally shot during their exercise class at a Pittsburgh-area gym by a man whose online diary revealed he felt ignored by women and had an "exit plan" to avenge his rage.
George Sodini went to a sprawling L.A. Fitness Club on Tuesday night, turned out the lights on the "Latin impact" dance-aerobics class for women, and opened fire with three guns, spraying dozens of bullets before committing suicide.
"He just had a lot of hatred in him and (was) hell-bent on committing this act, and no one was going to stop him," Allegheny County Police Superintendent Charles Moffatt said Wednesday.
His 4,610-word Web diary appeared to be a nine-month chronology of his plans to end his misery with a shocking act of carnage at his gym. He couldn't understand why women ignored him, despite his best efforts to look nice. He wrote that he hadn't had a girlfriend since 1984, hadn't slept with a woman in 19 years.
"Women just don't like me. There are 30 million desirable women in the US (my estimate) and I cannot find one. Not one of them finds me attractive," the 48-year-old computer programmer lamented.
It was unclear when the Web diary was posted and whether it had been updated online repeatedly since November or posted in its entirety recently.
Two undated videos, apparently recorded by Sodini, surfaced on the Internet and are posted on Starcasm.net. In one, he tours his suburban Pittsburgh home, starting outside and moving inside the two-bedroom, brick rancher. In the other, Sodini recorded himself standing in a doorway talking about hiding his emotions and trying to "emotionally connect" with people.
During the tour, he points out his computers, living space and a basement where he highlights his handy work, hanging paneling and a suspended ceiling. Sodini notes that a sofa and chair in his living room match and says, "women will really be impressed." He also focuses on reading material on a table that include a books titled "Date Young Women" and a paper with "Office Politics" printed on the front.
Moving through the home, he talks about a newly purchased dining room set, and shows his bedroom, which includes a bed, computer and a dresser.
"It looks pretty clean," he said. "I'm sure she'll be impressed."
Speaking to the camera in the second video, Sodini talks about hiding his emotion, how he thought he had 15 years remaining and how his objective his to "be real and be emotional" and to be able to "emotionally connect with people."
He speaks about how, in a relationship with a woman 10 to 20 years younger, "she has to feel good about this thing."
The health club violence rocked the town of about 5,300 people just outside Pittsburgh.
Killed were Heidi Overmier, 46, of Carnegie, a sales manager at an amusement park; Jody Billingsley, 37, of Mount Lebanon, who worked for a medical-supply company; and Elizabeth Gannon, 49, of Pittsburgh, an X-ray technician at Allegheny General Hospital.
"She can't be gone," said Gannon's next-door neighbor and close friend, Carl Rady, who knew her for 35 years and said she loved to work out and pamper her dog. "It can't happen that way."
Patricia Cowen lived across the street from Sodini for 12 years, and told the CBS "Early Show" on Thursday that it was "really devastating" to find out about the shootings and the online journal. Asked whether he ever seemed disturbed, she said no.
"He seemed pretty focused on life," Cowen said. "He seemed happy.
"I felt like he was just a loner who liked to keep to himself. He would say 'Hi' on occasion. I just never thought that someone like that would be so capable of what he's done."
Six patients remained hospitalized, including the aerobics instructor, Mary Primis, 26, who was listed in fair condition. Primis is pregnant but said doctors told her the baby is fine.
Sodini did not have a relationship with any of his victims, according to police.
In his Web diary, Sodini wrote of planning the attack since at least November and said he tried to carry it out when the same weekly aerobics class met Jan. 6 but "chickened out," he wrote.
His anger stemmed from unfulfilled desire: The women at his gym "look so beautiful as to not be human," he wrote. He complained that women "don't even give me a second look ANYWHERE" even though he was tan and fit and claimed to dress well and smell nice.
He listed his status as "Never married." In a chilling addition, he recorded the date of his death as Aug. 4, 2009.
Sodini did not have a criminal record, and he legally bought the guns he used, police said.
Sodini's family issued a brief statement: "Our hearts and prayers are with the victims and their families and we pray for the full recovery of the survivors."
Sodini graduated in 1992 from the University of Pittsburgh with a degree in computer science and had worked as a systems analyst at a Pittsburgh law firm since 1999.
A neighbor, Connie Fontanesi, said Sodini was so anti-social that "we really didn't learn anything personal about him."
Associated Press writers Joe Mandak, Ramit Plushnick-Masti, Genaro C. Armas and Jennifer Yates contributed to this report.
I'm surprised that he couldn't get anyone to sleep with him within the past 2 decades. He's not really unattractive.
I suspect he might have just had a strange personality. I do find it laughable that he couldn't get ANY pussy whatsoever. He probably has Internet standards; he clearly spent alot of time online. If you're not supermodel HOTT, you're not good enough for random nerd George Sodini!
Like a sick twisted combo of Wags and Cdm.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 06, 2009, 11:21:44 AM
Like a sick twisted combo of Wags and Cdm.
:huh: Wags has a gf, dude, and has for years....
Seedy, er.... :ph34r:
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 11:23:05 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 06, 2009, 11:21:44 AM
Like a sick twisted combo of Wags and Cdm.
:huh: Wags has a gf, dude, and has for years....
Seedy, er.... :ph34r:
Really?
Well the old Wags then.
Next time, visit lavalife & eharmony first. Or even okcupid & adultfriendfinder.
What amuses me is it seems like this guy put like 100x times more effort into executing a mass murder than he put into finding some poon, and the supposed reason for the former was inability to find the latter. Finding some poon is as easy as responding to an online ad these days. You don't even have to pick up the phone! :o
But, as I said: Internet standards. In one of the videos he keeps talking about his fixation on getting a younger woman. Probably that's a thinly-veiled appeal to find an extremely attractive woman.... an association I've never understood. I find myself generally attracted to women my age or even older, and I've always been that way.
I have already posted what I think of this loser over the Paradox OT forum. I'll merely copy/paste it.
Yes, I know, probably TL;DR. :blush:
QuoteOriginally Posted by Mr. Domino
Er-yes. I guess thats my point.
Its been a long day and maybe I am just picking on the new guy and being a snob-this guy isn't like tom campbell, this guy isn't like your typical "nice guy" or OTer, or javayman's friends or anybody else. He's not sexually frustrated-he's mentally ill.
Yeah, yeah, I just turned him into "the other" and distanced myself and the entire community from him. Thats what we do to people who attempt mass murder.
It just strikes me as weird and questionable to see all the , pics of OTers, and quasi-relationship stuff in what is essentially a "R.I.P." thread.
I agree. We must not forget that four women died and several others are badly wounded. It really saddens me.
All because a AFC turned berserk and, instead to find psychological help, decided in a narcissistic and paranoid way to blame the women and seek his own twisted justice. And it draws a chord, because I was nine years old when Marc Lépine killed 13 women at the École Polytechnique of Montreal for the same kinds of reason: delusions of persecution and an unrelenting hatred of women.
But you know what, that SOB is the extreme of something that undeniably exists, that I have witnessed countless of times, in myself as in others: AFCs and/or nice guys who, out of delusion, frustration, misunderstanding, mental disorder, or sheer paranoia, accuse women of all the sins in the world because "they" don't appreciate them for what they think they are, but in fact aren't : highly valuable.
I am not a pick-up guru or a natural player. In fact, all the way until I moved in my flat in Montreal at 25, I was part of the nice guy club, extremely nerdy and dorky, bullied at school and college for more than a decade, and living with my abusive, promiscuous queenbee of a mother, with my room just besides hers and well on the way to become a mentally unbalanced momma's boy for reasons I'll leave at the imagination of the readers (no, it doesn't involve incest). But I was seeting inside. In time, I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder with Antisocial and Narcissistic personality traits, which can be a very dangerous cocktail of personality traits. I had incredible frustration inside, which I needed to act out by nigh-on criminal behavior, by binge-drinking, by whoring myself out to women in need of a gigolo. The borderline rages I had were so intolerable, self-inflicted injuries weren't enough anymore. I had started to have homicidal thoughts when I finally decided to seek professional help because I wanted it to stop. So I know first hand what kind of person the killer was and what he was thinking, because I have been through it as well for some years - except that I got laid, for all the bad reasons.
HOWEVER, instead of wallowing in self-pity or going postal, I decided to grow a pair and improve my life, slowly and painfully. I stopped being a total nerd, I found a job, took medication, and started to work out, which did great for self-confidence and basic health. Then, slowly, I started to glance at women in their eyes everywhere I could, then I started to smile at them, and then I approached them. And you know what? It worked, instead of dying inside, I felt fine. I learned they can be worthy of trust. I am not a jerk (most of the times). I just smile, approach, compliment, tease, flirt, and ask women out - in other words, be confident and assertive, and actually treat women as equals and valuable for themselves, and not because they are merely women to take out as a prize.
But from personal experience, nice guys, especially those who desperately try to get women and fail for years on end, do not treat women as equals anymore, and the things I have heard these kinds of boys (I won't call them men) accuse women of, it would make a feminist burst out in total anger. Many of them become with time misogynistic doormats, both putting "women as an ideal" on a piedestal while trashing all girls who refuse them as teasing whores going for the jerks. They are mistrusful, fearful, and prefer to beg their way into a relationship rather than tackle the target of their dreams directly and take the risk of a rejection. No wonder many of them get frustrated with years of failure.
Fortunately, most keep it to venting within a close circle of friends and keep their violent fantasies to themselves. Most of them remain non-violent and law-abiding. But I suspect a few of them - the most unbalanced ones, can lose touch with reality and become violent if the right triggers are pressed.
This case is very extreme. However, I argue that the basic underlying mechanics behind this kind of violence is present in the vast majority of AFCs and/or nice guys, and that is what frightens me in the long run - that more guys losing at The Game will consider to take their abject frustration to physical abuse, violence towards women, and - at worst - femicide, instead of recognizing that the problem might lay in their own mind, in their own choices.
Some AFCs will argue that he is a victim of a so-called tendency among "modern" women to use men for their own benefits, to treat men like objects to be used and thrown away. I am not one of them. First, I find this argument ludicrous in itself as there is no "female conspiracy" to collectively abuse men and exploit them without scrupules nor conscience; second, I am not the one who will blame women for "mentally torturing" this guy to become a mass murderer. Rejection can be harsh for everyone, and very disappointing, but there are MILLIONS of women in the US alone. And I refuse to believe that all millions of them have namely rejected this man.
Instead, I place the blame on him. He is the victimiser. He is responsible for creating his own hell. And these women who have been victims of this mind-broken loser deserve all the sympathy from both women and men. They are the innocents here. The thing now is to prevent more frustrated men from taking him as an example, by recognizing nice guys and AFCs who exhibit these kinds of misogynistic delusions and direct them to seek psychological help. They need to recognize that this guy is not a hero, but a zero. And most importantly, that their perception of reality is NOT necessarily reality. That is one of the most important things people who feel like have-nots must learn in their lives to begin growing out of it.
Sorry for the "nice guys" here who might disagree and/or be offended by my opinions and my story. But I speak from my personal, anecdotal experience. I have tried to help some of my pals to get ouf their warped viewpoint about women and relationships, but I am not a psychiatrist, so my perspective on doorm... I mean nice guys is rather bleak. At least I have not become like this guy, and I wish no one will in the future.
QuoteHe complained that women "don't even give me a second look ANYWHERE" even though he was tan and fit and claimed to dress well and smell nice.
He's also old and creepy to those hot 20 something year old chicks he likes. Money could have solved that.
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 11:40:11 AM
What amuses me is it seems like this guy put like 100x times more effort into executing a mass murder than he put into finding some poon, and the supposed reason for the former was inability to find the latter. Finding some poon is as easy as responding to an online ad these days. You don't even have to pick up the phone! :o
But, as I said: Internet standards. In one of the videos he keeps talking about his fixation on getting a younger woman. Probably that's a thinly-veiled appeal to find an extremely attractive woman.... an association I've never understood. I find myself generally attracted to women my age or even older, and I've always been that way.
It is something I have noticed as well: the lesser success a guy has had with women throughout one's life, the younger he usually prefers their partners to be. One of my friend is the "nice guy finish last" type, and he exhibits the same behavior. When I tell him to find a woman more of his age, ironically, he replies that all women of his age are nuts. Go figure.
Which is a self-fulfilling prophecy, because younger girls usually don't want older, unkempt schmucks.
@ Drakken
:huh:
You're a football conference?
Reminds me of this guy.
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Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 06, 2009, 11:51:08 AM
QuoteHe complained that women "don't even give me a second look ANYWHERE" even though he was tan and fit and claimed to dress well and smell nice.
He's also old and creepy to those hot 20 something year old chicks he likes. Money could have solved that.
He apparently had a good job though, as a .NET Development Manager at some big law firm in Pittsburgh Bill Gates's dad was involved in founding.
He states in one of his online rants that his net worth was approximately $250K.
So, while he was by no means wealthy, he had enough cash that he should have been able to at least snag a plain-looking gold digger, I would think.
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 11:51:53 AM
@ Drakken
:huh:
You're a football conference?
Nope. It is just that, while very extreme, the type of behavior this guy has exhibited through his blog is something I have seen numerous times, in lesser and non-violent form, among nice guys.
Fortunately, nice guys going postal is a rare phenomenon. But like every mass murderer, they can become an icon for those losers who feel the same way.
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
Nope. It is just that, while very extreme, the type of behavior this guy has exhibited through his blog is something I have seen numerous times, in lesser forms, among nice guys.
-_-
Basically, I don't know what the fuck an AFC is in this context.
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 11:55:13 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
Nope. It is just that, while very extreme, the type of behavior this guy has exhibited through his blog is something I have seen numerous times, in lesser forms, among nice guys.
-_-
Basically, I don't know what the fuck an AFC is in this context.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_frustrated_chump
Basically, AFCs are dudes who, while not ugly nor social awkwards, don't get women. They are rather clumsy and lacking self-confidence and assertiveness, and most importantly, they are very, very frustrated by it. Usually identified by being named "nice guys".
Oh. Ok, that describes me until I got to college. :cool:
I think a better Languish analogy than past-Wags is past-vM, but he gets tons of play now. :smoke:
Quote from: garbon on August 06, 2009, 11:18:47 AM
I'm surprised that he couldn't get anyone to sleep with him within the past 2 decades. He's not really unattractive.
I totally agree. If he had been normal and not a massive load of mommy issues, he would have got chicks by the dozens and never complained. Instead, he decided to cut the nose to spite the face.
That's what makes it so sad: The guy had the goods to have success with women, but didn't had the right mind or attitude, for whatever reasons.
He seemed also to have a crazed obsession about women who date black "brutha's" instead of white guys.
Quote
November 5, 2008:
Planned to do this in the summer but figure to stick around to see the election outcome. This particular one got so much attention and I was just curious. Not like I give a flying fcuk who won, since this exit plan was already planned. Good luck to Obama! He will be successful. The liberal media LOVES him. Amerika has chosen The Black Man. Good! In light of this I got ideas outside of Obama's plans for the economy and such. Here it is: Every black man should get a young white girl hoe to hone up on. Kinda a reverse indentured servitude thing. Long ago, many a older white male landowner had a young Negro wench girl for his desires. Bout' time tables are turned on that shit. Besides, dem young white hoez dig da bruthrs! LOL. More so than they dig the white dudes! Every daddy know when he sends his little girl to college, she be bangin a bruthr real good. I saw it. "Not my little girl", daddy says! (Yeah right!!) Black dudes have thier choice of best white hoez. You do the math, there are enough young white so all the brothers can each have one for 3 or 6 months or so.
:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 12:00:50 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_frustrated_chump
Basically, AFCs are dudes who, while not ugly nor social awkwards, don't get women. They are rather clumsy and lacking self-confidence and assertiveness, and most importantly, they are very, very frustrated by it. Usually identified by being named "nice guys".
The seduction community? :o :x
What are you all :huh: about Drakken? The guy was clearly mentally ill; of course he's gonna write crazy-ass shit.
Quote from: garbon on August 06, 2009, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 12:00:50 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_frustrated_chump
Basically, AFCs are dudes who, while not ugly nor social awkwards, don't get women. They are rather clumsy and lacking self-confidence and assertiveness, and most importantly, they are very, very frustrated by it. Usually identified by being named "nice guys".
The seduction community? :o :x
Yep. Because, you know, straight guys need all the help in the world to get laid.
First step: Stop drooling over Star Wars so much and get some puss'. :lmfao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzxHpNPFHfU
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:15:48 PM
What are you all :huh: about Drakken? The guy was clearly mentally ill; of course he's gonna write crazy-ass shit.
But still I can feel all the smoooooooth luv... he was just misunderstood. :cry:
You know something funny? Women like to be treated badly. That's what goofs like this guy could never figure out.
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 12:17:15 PM
Yep. Because, you know, straight guys need all the help in the world to get laid.
I'm just really disturbed that such a community exists. Perhaps if they spent less time chatting with other males...
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
You know something funny? Women like to be treated badly challenged. That's what goofs like this guy could never figure out.
Fixed. :P
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:15:48 PM
What are you all :huh: about Drakken? The guy was clearly mentally ill; of course he's gonna write crazy-ass shit.
people are going to hate us if neil ever shoots someplace up.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 06, 2009, 12:23:40 PMpeople are going to hate us if neil ever shoots someplace up.
I'm amazed that you would single Neil out for a comparison here. :huh:
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 12:22:16 PMFixed. :P
In their mind there's no difference. ^_^
Seriously... Princesca dumped every other guy she dated, all of whom were like mindlessly devoted to her. She actually told me once what she liked about me so much is that I DIDN'T put her on a pedestal.
See, I regard women as men with two tits and a hole. No other real difference. Oh, except that they're stupider and more shallow. :)
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 06, 2009, 12:23:40 PMpeople are going to hate us if neil ever shoots someplace up.
I'm amazed that you would single Neil out for a comparison here. :huh:
Yeah, Jaron has more chance to go onto a killing spree than Neil. :P
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 12:27:33 PMYeah, Jaron has more chance to go onto a killing spree than Neil. :P
Keep trying... :shifty:
....
edit: Actually, that's a pretty good guess. But no.
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:29:08 PM
....
edit: Actually, that's a pretty good guess. But no.
Brazen? :P
That'd be hot. :perv:
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 06, 2009, 12:23:40 PMpeople are going to hate us if neil ever shoots someplace up.
I'm amazed that you would single Neil out for a comparison here. :huh:
My point is that I am fairly certain that Neil is a sane guy acting crazy on the internet, but if he ever did do something stupid, we would all look bad for not doing anything because of his posts and there isn't a defense we could make.
I'm not trying to single Neil out--I think that all of our unusual posters are acting to some extent, even lettow.
Quote from: garbon on August 06, 2009, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 12:17:15 PM
Yep. Because, you know, straight guys need all the help in the world to get laid.
I'm just really disturbed that such a community exists. Perhaps if they spent less time chatting with other males...
I am not disturbed. In fact, I am glad we have these resources. Don't gay men have similar kinds of community? After all, not all gay men know how to play the cruising game, or so I think, since I am not gay. :blush:
Many men really need help to seduce women and approach them. While some of them might indeed be misogynistic pigs, pick-up gurus are there to give cues and correct mistakes men can do in their approach, as nowadays approaching a woman can really be intimidating for someone who feels the pressure to find a mate. But most of the job, in fact, is to focus on becoming assertive and comfortable with oneself.
As Caliga and I can attest, it does work. How people use this knowledge afterwards is up to them.
Quote from: alfred russel on August 06, 2009, 12:36:15 PM
My point is that I am fairly certain that Neil is a sane guy acting crazy on the internet, but if he ever did do something stupid, we would all look bad for not doing anything because of his posts and there isn't a defense we could make.
I'm not trying to single Neil out--I think that all of our unusual posters are acting to some extent, even lettow.
Ah, ok. Well, point taken then.
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 12:38:11 PM
I am not disturbed. In fact, I am glad we have these resources. Don't gay men have similar kinds of community? After all, not all gay men know how to play the cruising game, or so I think, since I am not gay. :blush:
A key difference would be that one is also looking for potential mates within the group. Not to mention that gay cruising is hardly difficult. Make eye contact with a fella and if he maintains eye contact with you...;)
Anyway "seduction community" is a horrible label.
Haven't we done the "Languishista most likely to make the news in mad rampage" before? ;)
Also, the fact that this fellow ranted about his inability to get a girl prompting him into a mad rampage isn't really an indication that other girl-less fellows may go the same route. Most likely if the guy was a big hit with the ladies he would have been just as dangerous.
Quote from: Malthus on August 06, 2009, 12:51:39 PM
Also, the fact that this fellow ranted about his inability to get a girl prompting him into a mad rampage isn't really an indication that other girl-less fellows may go the same route. Most likely if the guy was a big hit with the ladies he would have been just as dangerous.
I agree. Most guys in his situation would simply grow jaded and/or become whiny little wusses. Something else has pushed him further, at least a significant personality disorder.
I agree. Earlier I was wondering what would have happened had he gotten married.... would everything be totally cool with the guy, or would he later flip out over something else and go on a rampage, but instead against his family?
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 06, 2009, 12:51:39 PM
Also, the fact that this fellow ranted about his inability to get a girl prompting him into a mad rampage isn't really an indication that other girl-less fellows may go the same route. Most likely if the guy was a big hit with the ladies he would have been just as dangerous.
I agree. Most guys in his situation would simply grow jaded and/or become whiny little wusses. Something else has pushed him further, at least a significant personality disorder.
Probably some mix of raging selfishness/ lack of empathy for others combined with violent fantasies.
In short, the sort that, if they *are* in a relationship, are likely to end up abusive and/or murderous.
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:56:42 PM
I agree. Earlier I was wondering what would have happened had he gotten married.... would everything be totally cool with the guy, or would he later flip out over something else and go on a rampage, but instead against his family?
The latter, I would imagine. Most murder/suicide types do in their families if they have one.
Quote from: Malthus on August 06, 2009, 12:58:21 PM
Probably some mix of raging selfishness/ lack of empathy for others combined with violent fantasies.
In short, the sort that, if they *are* in a relationship, are likely to end up abusive and/or murderous.
Well, apparently this guy did have at least one relationship many years ago (though I think one of his ex-gfs died). But if there are any other ex-gfs they will no doubt be interviewed shortly about the nature of the relationship and if he was abusive.
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 01:01:42 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 06, 2009, 12:58:21 PM
Probably some mix of raging selfishness/ lack of empathy for others combined with violent fantasies.
In short, the sort that, if they *are* in a relationship, are likely to end up abusive and/or murderous.
Well, apparently this guy did have at least one relationship many years ago (though I think one of his ex-gfs died). But if there are any other ex-gfs they will no doubt be interviewed shortly about the nature of the relationship and if he was abusive.
Which will most probably invariably sound like "I don't understand, he was such a nice guy, so polite and attentive in all. I didn't think he could be such a monster".
Yeah, probably.
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 11:40:11 AM
But, as I said: Internet standards.
I don't think that was part of his problem. He said that he estimated that there are 30 million desirable women in the country, which doesn't sound like a guy with impossibly high standards.
Quote from: dps on August 06, 2009, 01:16:48 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 11:40:11 AM
But, as I said: Internet standards.
I don't think that was part of his problem. He said that he estimated that there are 30 million desirable women in the country, which doesn't sound like a guy with impossibly high standards.
Who ALL rejected him, point blank? Because that is what he was pretending on his blog.
Quote from: dps on August 06, 2009, 01:16:48 PMI don't think that was part of his problem. He said that he estimated that there are 30 million desirable women in the country, which doesn't sound like a guy with impossibly high standards.
It's just mind boggling that he could not find anyone.
If I took an hour to create a profile on some online dating site in Pittsburgh and trolled it for uggos, I'm sure I could have at least one chick flying to Louisville in a week or so. He wouldn't even have to require them to have made a trip. :huh:
Quote from: dps on August 06, 2009, 01:16:48 PM
I don't think that was part of his problem. He said that he estimated that there are 30 million desirable women in the country, which doesn't sound like a guy with impossibly high standards.
That's the top 50% of all women in the 20-49 age range, so no. Dunno how much thought he put into that number, though (if he was thinking 120 million women in the US without narrowing the age range, that's top 25%).
The really sad thing is that one of the chicks he shot was roughly his age, reasonably attractive from her photo, and was a single mom with a teenage boy. I'll bet dollars to donuts that if he'd asked her out she actually would have said yes. :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
That'd be hot. :perv:
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:perv:
Quote from: Syt on August 06, 2009, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
That'd be hot. :perv:
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:perv:
Kari Byron is one hell of a chick. :thumbsup:
I also had a thing for Scottie Chapman back when she was on Mythbusters, mainly because of her tattoos. :blush:
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
You know something funny? Women like to be treated badly. That's what goofs like this guy could never figure out.
Knowing something intellectually and being able to actually do it are two different things.
$2000!?
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&fg=&vid=c6714218-cb17-4f68-a5be-db40a8a2dd02&from=00
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 06, 2009, 12:23:40 PMpeople are going to hate us if neil ever shoots someplace up.
I'm amazed that you would single Neil out for a comparison here. :huh:
Indeed. I'm not a 'shooting rampage' kind of guy. I'm more of a 'change the laws so that it's alright for law enforcement to feed homosexuals feet first into woodchippers' kind of guy. I'm not a crazed gunman, I'm more the kind of person who sees people as statistics rather than individuals.
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 11:51:46 AM
It is something I have noticed as well: the lesser success a guy has had with women throughout one's life, the younger he usually prefers their partners to be. One of my friend is the "nice guy finish last" type, and he exhibits the same behavior. When I tell him to find a woman more of his age, ironically, he replies that all women of his age are nuts. Go figure.
Which is a self-fulfilling prophecy, because younger girls usually don't want older, unkempt schmucks.
It's the Woody Allen Axiom. We spend our adulthoods trying to correct the "mistakes" of our younger years.
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 01:56:46 PM
I also had a thing for Scottie Chapman back when she was on Mythbusters, mainly because of her tattoos. :blush:
Tattoos are for hookers.
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 01:43:46 PM
The really sad thing is that one of the chicks he shot was roughly his age, reasonably attractive from her photo, and was a single mom with a teenage boy. I'll bet dollars to donuts that if he'd asked her out she actually would have said yes. :huh:
It's not like he never had dates.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 06, 2009, 03:24:58 PM
$2000!?
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&fg=&vid=c6714218-cb17-4f68-a5be-db40a8a2dd02&from=00
You could almost buy a stroller for that much!
Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2009, 03:47:19 PM
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 01:56:46 PM
I also had a thing for Scottie Chapman back when she was on Mythbusters, mainly because of her tattoos. :blush:
Tattoos are for hookers.
Never said I disliked hookers. After all, I did date strippers. :blush:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 06, 2009, 03:24:58 PM
$2000!?
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&brand=msnbc&fg=&vid=c6714218-cb17-4f68-a5be-db40a8a2dd02&from=00
Indeed, pick-up gurus can help dorks in real settings, with real girls as well, and for much cheaper, even for free. The PU community can be found in big cities, commonly known as "Lairs", and anyone who wants to improve his skills can be welcomed in the community.
The more I read about the seduction/PU community, the more I'd have to say that I don't know of a gay equivalent. It sounds sad/strange.
Quote from: garbon on August 06, 2009, 05:23:56 PM
The more I read about the seduction/PU community, the more I'd have to say that I don't know of a gay equivalent. It sounds sad/strange.
Are there gays who don't score at will?
"Seduction community" :lol:
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 06, 2009, 05:32:02 PM
"Seduction community" :lol:
Surely you are the grandmaster. :pope:
God, what a dork.
QuotePennsylvania gym shooter described as quiet, studious
George Sodini attended self-help workshops on meeting women
By Abbi Tatton
CNN
(CNN) -- A man who shot three women dead in a Pennsylvania gym was studious and quiet, according to a woman in a self-help seminar he attended.
George Sodini took part in self-help seminars months before his deadly shooting spree at a Pennsylvania gym.
George Sodini, 48, posted at least two videos on YouTube last year, apparently referring to a desire for a girlfriend in both. Videos of Sodini at a Los Angeles, California, workshop surfaced on the video-sharing site Thursday, two days after he opened fire at a LA Fitness center outside Pittsburgh.
Heidi Overmier, 46, of Carnegie, Pennsylvania; Elizabeth Gannon, 49, of Pittsburgh; and Jody Billingsley, 38, of Mount Lebanon, died in the shootings. Authorities said nine others were wounded by Sodini before he turned the gun on himself.
"He was really, really quiet, he took a lot of notes," said Erin Micklow, 20, who was hired last year to work at a self-help seminar Sodini attended on how to date women.
Micklow, a model and an actress, described Sodini as "the most studious in the workshops."
The three-day, eight-hour seminars were run by author and self-described dating expert R. Don Steele. They were designed so that men could "pick our brains" about what women like, said Micklow, who noted that many of the attendees came from across the country because they were nervous about meeting women.
By the end of the workshops, Micklow said "a lot of the guys had loosened up," but "George was pretty much just as nervous."
YouTube videos of the workshops show Sodini, dressed in a white shirt, listening intently to Steele. The lecture focused on everything -- from what color neckties to wear to attract women, to how to get over an overbearing mother.
Online diaries left by Sodini reveal a man tormented by his inability to find a girlfriend to the point of rage.
"Girls and women don't even give me a second look ANYWHERE," he wrote earlier this year. "There is something BLATANTLY wrong with me that NO goddam person will tell me what it is."
A suicide note found in Sodini's gym bag contained similar rants, police said. However, Micklow said that wasn't the man she met last year.
"George didn't seem like a bad person," she said. "He was there for self improvement."
Shortly after the seminar, Sodini made a YouTube video in which he gave a tour of his house in Pennsylvania. Micklow said that was a homework assignment.
Micklow said the video was an exercise in making one's home more attractive to women, which she then critiqued online. Beyond that, Micklow said she had no further contact with him.
The video was uploaded in February 2008. By November, Sodini had started online diaries describing his plans for an attack on young women at his gym.
Quote from: garbon on August 06, 2009, 05:23:56 PM
The more I read about the seduction/PU community, the more I'd have to say that I don't know of a gay equivalent. It sounds sad/strange.
Sad and strange it is.
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
BUT , BUT , BUT!
They might reject me and hurt my feelings!
Then just punch them. They like being treated badly, you know. :)
Quote"There is something BLATANTLY wrong with me that NO goddam person will tell me what it is."
You're CRAZY
Maybe he had severe halitosis. :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
People are scary!
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 09:08:39 AM
Fixed. :)
Raciss!
This guy sounds like he made the classic blunder: he started approaching really hot women and wondered why they rejected him. Um...if you can't play the game well you need to start out in the minors.
Rather baffling because that is usually a mistake most guys correct when they are in High School.
But then most of us are not insane psychos who sit around feeling sorry for ourselves all the time.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:10:50 AM
This guy sounds like he made the classic blunder: he started approaching really hot women and wondered why they rejected him. Um...if you can't play the game well you need to start out in the minors.
:yes:
A guy with his level of difficulty needed to start with middle aged fat, ugly chicks with 3 kids. Get some confidence, maybe learn to eat a little pussy, and then WHAM BAM THANK YOU MA'AM CYA WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA. :)
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack. :perv:
In truth, that is what the "seduction community" is all about: learn people to stop being so coy around women, and approach and talk to them with confidence and assertiveness.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:10:50 AM
But then most of us are not insane psychos who sit around feeling sorry for ourselves all the time.
We're not? :unsure: :P
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack. :perv:
Or she wants to be your friend lol. At this guys level of expertise he'd get more frustrated as he starting collecting friends
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 09:29:01 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack. :perv:
Or she wants to be your friend lol. At this guys level of expertise he'd get more frustrated as he starting collecting friends
A girl who wants to be your friend doesn't like to be touched by a stranger (namely you) she has barely met. When she does, it's because she is comfortable at being touched by you.
Unless, of course, you were not assertive enough to make it clear that what you want is to get into her pants (and her heart, of course).
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack. :perv:
In truth, that is what the "seduction community" is all about: learn people to stop being so coy around women, and approach and talk to them with confidence and assertiveness.
There is certainly that. Lean into her bodyspace, pay attention to her body language, that sort of thing.
It's the term "seduction community" which has a high creepiness factor.
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 09:13:56 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:10:50 AM
This guy sounds like he made the classic blunder: he started approaching really hot women and wondered why they rejected him. Um...if you can't play the game well you need to start out in the minors.
:yes:
A guy with his level of difficulty needed to start with middle aged fat, ugly chicks with 3 kids. Get some confidence, maybe learn to eat a little pussy, and then WHAM BAM THANK YOU MA'AM CYA WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA. :)
Bingo.
However, approaching hot women is a sure way to lose one's approach anxiety, because AFCs tend to believe that the hottier the woman is, the more special she is, and that she is to be treated differently than other women, which is a big mistake. Hot women are women first, and thus have the same needs (and triggers) as fugly SuBo-lookalike birds.
In fact, since hot women are used to be treated like queens and asskissing by other guys, they are rather easy to challenge. :cool:
If you can take rejection by them, the fear goes way quickly, which is a huge first step for people who are not at ease with approaching women.
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack. :perv:
In truth, that is what the "seduction community" is all about: learn people to stop being so coy around women, and approach and talk to them with confidence and assertiveness.
There is certainly that. Lean into her bodyspace, pay attention to her body language, that sort of thing.
It's the term "seduction community" which has a high creepiness factor.
Plus this douchebag is part of it:
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Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:31:17 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 09:29:01 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack. :perv:
Or she wants to be your friend lol. At this guys level of expertise he'd get more frustrated as he starting collecting friends
A girl who wants to be your friend doesn't like to be touched by a stranger (namely you) she has barely met. When she does, it's because she is comfortable at being touched by you.
Unless, of course, you were not assertive enough to make it clear that what you want is to get into her pants (and her heart, of course).
That's why i said his level of experience. He hadn't gotten laid in 19 years, i'm pretty sure he'd fuck up the friend zone boundries :D
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack. :perv:
In truth, that is what the "seduction community" is all about: learn people to stop being so coy around women, and approach and talk to them with confidence and assertiveness.
There is certainly that. Lean into her bodyspace, pay attention to her body language, that sort of thing.
It's the term "seduction community" which has a high creepiness factor.
I tend to agree with you, its a rather odd metaphor rather than what it is, a "player and pick-up artist community".
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 09:29:01 AM
Or she wants to be your friend lol. At this guys level of expertise he'd get more frustrated as he starting collecting friends
That happens if you dance around the fact you are interested in her generally. There is a difference between being subtle and playful and being a coward.
With younger women I had to bash them over the head I was interested, with older women they would instantly pick up on it.
"Oh wait you wanted to meet me for coffee and have been flirting with me the whole time because you were interested in me? I thought we were just friends!"
Young women = excellent at wasting your time. Also too many men have the wishful thinking disease..even with anybody with a brain could tell she is not interested they will grab onto whatever scrap she will throw their way.
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 09:38:54 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:31:17 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 09:29:01 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:27:07 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
:yes:
Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them! :frusty:
And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack. :perv:
Or she wants to be your friend lol. At this guys level of expertise he'd get more frustrated as he starting collecting friends
A girl who wants to be your friend doesn't like to be touched by a stranger (namely you) she has barely met. When she does, it's because she is comfortable at being touched by you.
Unless, of course, you were not assertive enough to make it clear that what you want is to get into her pants (and her heart, of course).
That's why i said his level of experience. He hadn't gotten laid in 19 years, i'm pretty sure he'd fuck up the friend zone boundries :D
From what I read, girls didn't even want to be friends with him. It's even lower than being a nice guy. :lol:
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:40:08 AM
I tend to agree with you, its a rather odd metaphor rather than what it is, a "player and pick-up artist community".
Yeah because that doesn't sound creepy at all.
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:41:35 AM
From what I read, girls didn't even want to be friends with him. It's even lower than being a nice guy. :lol:
:bleeding:
Oh you are one of those guys.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:41:38 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:40:08 AM
I tend to agree with you, its a rather odd metaphor rather than what it is, a "player and pick-up artist community".
Yeah because that doesn't sound creepy at all.
Then, "seduction community" is the lesser of the two evils.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:41:12 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 09:29:01 AM
Or she wants to be your friend lol. At this guys level of expertise he'd get more frustrated as he starting collecting friends
"Oh wait you wanted to meet me for coffee and have been flirting with me the whole time because you were interested in me? I thought we were just friends!"
That's also guys fault. Half her male "friends" want to get into her pants, so they flirt and play, but can never pull itt off. Which leads her to belive, a that age, that all guy friends are that way
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:42:26 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:41:35 AM
From what I read, girls didn't even want to be friends with him. It's even lower than being a nice guy. :lol:
:bleeding:
Oh you are one of those guys.
Yeah sure, I am certainly like that guy, I have a girlfriend and I get laid.
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 09:42:54 AM
That's also guys fault. Half her male "friends" want to get into her pants, so they flirt and play, but can never pull itt off. Which leads her to belive, a that age, that all guy friends are that way
I suppose that is true but I had no patience for that shit. If she was too fucking retarded to not pick up on something without me flashing a neon sign in front of her face then she is too fucking retarded to be my girlfriend.
Of course I sound all tough now because I eventually worked out the kinks over a number of months of fucking things up and eventually had fun and got what I wanted. If (Hod forbid) I get out dating again I will probably have to be seasoned again because my fucking emotions get in the way at first until you get your feet back under you and keep your cool.
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 09:13:56 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:10:50 AM
This guy sounds like he made the classic blunder: he started approaching really hot women and wondered why they rejected him. Um...if you can't play the game well you need to start out in the minors.
:yes:
A guy with his level of difficulty needed to start with middle aged fat, ugly chicks with 3 kids. Get some confidence, maybe learn to eat a little pussy, and then WHAM BAM THANK YOU MA'AM CYA WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA. :)
Bingo.
However, approaching hot women is a sure way to lose one's approach anxiety, because AFCs tend to believe that the hottier the woman is, the more special she is, and that she is to be treated differently than other women, which is a big mistake. Hot women are women first, and thus have the same needs (and triggers) as fugly SuBo-lookalike birds.
In fact, since hot women are used to be treated like queens and asskissing by other guys, they are rather easy to challenge. :cool:
If you can take rejection by them, the fear goes way quickly, which is a huge first step for people who are not at ease with approaching women.
Heh I can just imagine the "homework".
'Okay, class, today's assignment is to get rejected by 10 good looking women tonight. By the end of the week I expect every member of the class to have 50 rejections ..."
Thing is, if you stuck with that, and posed the question with any sort of decency (and weren't grotesque looking/smelling), you'd almost certainly be laid by the end of the week.
The mathematical theory of dating. ;)
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:45:52 AM
Yeah sure, I am certainly like that guy, I have a girlfriend and I get laid.
I mean the dude who thinks that girls really do hate "nice guys" when actually they just don't really like needy creepy guys.
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 09:46:39 AM
Thing is, if you stuck with that, and posed the question with any sort of decency (and weren't grotesque looking/smelling), you'd almost certainly be laid by the end of the week.
Mathematics is the only way to go.
Eventually you do end up rejecting alot of them to.
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 09:46:39 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 09:13:56 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:10:50 AM
This guy sounds like he made the classic blunder: he started approaching really hot women and wondered why they rejected him. Um...if you can't play the game well you need to start out in the minors.
:yes:
A guy with his level of difficulty needed to start with middle aged fat, ugly chicks with 3 kids. Get some confidence, maybe learn to eat a little pussy, and then WHAM BAM THANK YOU MA'AM CYA WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA. :)
Bingo.
However, approaching hot women is a sure way to lose one's approach anxiety, because AFCs tend to believe that the hottier the woman is, the more special she is, and that she is to be treated differently than other women, which is a big mistake. Hot women are women first, and thus have the same needs (and triggers) as fugly SuBo-lookalike birds.
In fact, since hot women are used to be treated like queens and asskissing by other guys, they are rather easy to challenge. :cool:
If you can take rejection by them, the fear goes way quickly, which is a huge first step for people who are not at ease with approaching women.
Heh I can just imagine the "homework".
'Okay, class, today's assignment is to get rejected by 10 good looking women tonight. By the end of the week I expect every member of the class to have 50 rejections ..."
Thing is, if you stuck with that, and posed the question with any sort of decency (and weren't grotesque looking/smelling), you'd almost certainly be laid by the end of the week.
The mathematical theory of dating. ;)
It's much more than that. It's so easy getting rejected by women, there is no challenge into that. You'd learn nothing even if you got rejected by 100 women in one night (makes a decent challenge between friends, though).
Remember who the target audience is, guys who have NO CLUE on how to be confident approaching women and talk to them: How to approach a woman without putting pressure on her, how to talk to her, how to control your body language, how to tease and flirt, and so on. For them it takes practice.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:48:55 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:45:52 AM
Yeah sure, I am certainly like that guy, I have a girlfriend and I get laid.
I mean the dude who thinks that girls really do hate "nice guys" when actually they just don't really like needy creepy guys.
"Nice guys" does colloquially mean the latter. When a girl says that a man is "a nice guy", everyone knows it is a underhanded compliment.
Of course women want guys who will treat them nice, they are not masochist (well, not all of them). But they want a confident, assertive man.
That is why the acronym "AFC" was invented, to get rid of any association between "being nice" and "being a doormat".
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:51:48 AM
how to tease and flirt
That is really all ya got to do. You do not even have to be very good at it really.
Whenever I would be asked a question I would always have a funny response at least once...it really drove them nuts because they could never really tell when I was being serious or when I was totally full of shit.
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:53:37 AM
"Nice guys" does colloquially mean the latter.
Not necessarily. The message alot of men get is that being nice in itself is bad and the answer is to be an ass.
I found that staring at their boobs and saying "nice tits" 5-10 times an hour worked pretty well.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:51:48 AM
how to tease and flirt
That is really all ya got to do. You do not even have to be very good at it really.
Whenever I would be asked a question I would always have a funny response at least once...it really drove them nuts because they could never really tell when I was being serious or when I was totally full of shit.
But the thing is, many guys don't know that. Good that there are people willing to teach them if it can help them in their lovelife, neh?
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 09:56:07 AM
I found that staring at their boobs and saying "nice tits" 5-10 times an hour worked pretty well.
Jefe, you do not understand women. You cannot force open the petals of a flower. When the flower is ready, it opens itself up to you.
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 09:56:07 AM
I found that staring at their boobs and saying "nice tits" 5-10 times an hour worked pretty well.
Seriously though. If they are not good enough sports for you to say stuff like that screw em.
I always hated the 'too cool for school' girls who would get all pissy at the least bit of hanky panky (verbally even).
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:53:37 AM
"Nice guys" does colloquially mean the latter.
Not necessarily. The message alot of men get is that being nice in itself is bad and the answer is to be an ass.
Which, if they'd care to learn from people who actually know their shit, they'd see how wrong this answer is.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:57:47 AMSeriously though. If they are not good enough sports for you to say stuff like that screw em.
I always hated the 'too cool for school' girls who would get all pissy at the least bit of hanky panky (verbally even).
Yeah. EJECT EJECT
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:51:48 AM
It's much more than that. It's so easy getting rejected by women, there is no challenge into that. You'd learn nothing even if you got rejected by 100 women in one night (makes a decent challenge between friends, though).
Remember who the target audience is, guys who have NO CLUE on how to be confident approaching women and talk to them: How to approach a woman without putting pressure on her, how to talk to her, how to control your body language, how to tease and flirt, and so on. For them it takes practice.
Well, I guess I was never one of those guys. For most guys (or at least for me), the big, scary barrier is the fear of rejection, exacerbated by all of the societal paranoia about male violence/offensiveness. Get over that and you are more or less home free (at least, to get women more or less as hot as yourself). Thus, forcing yourself to get over rejection would be a useful exercise.
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 09:46:39 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 07, 2009, 09:13:56 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:10:50 AM
This guy sounds like he made the classic blunder: he started approaching really hot women and wondered why they rejected him. Um...if you can't play the game well you need to start out in the minors.
:yes:
A guy with his level of difficulty needed to start with middle aged fat, ugly chicks with 3 kids. Get some confidence, maybe learn to eat a little pussy, and then WHAM BAM THANK YOU MA'AM CYA WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA. :)
Bingo.
However, approaching hot women is a sure way to lose one's approach anxiety, because AFCs tend to believe that the hottier the woman is, the more special she is, and that she is to be treated differently than other women, which is a big mistake. Hot women are women first, and thus have the same needs (and triggers) as fugly SuBo-lookalike birds.
In fact, since hot women are used to be treated like queens and asskissing by other guys, they are rather easy to challenge. :cool:
If you can take rejection by them, the fear goes way quickly, which is a huge first step for people who are not at ease with approaching women.
Heh I can just imagine the "homework".
'Okay, class, today's assignment is to get rejected by 10 good looking women tonight. By the end of the week I expect every member of the class to have 50 rejections ..."
Thing is, if you stuck with that, and posed the question with any sort of decency (and weren't grotesque looking/smelling), you'd almost certainly be laid by the end of the week.
The mathematical theory of dating. ;)
It's just like sales, I was told that as long as I spoke to 30 perspective costumers in a day I'd be sure to make at least one sale no matter how clueless my approach was.
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 10:05:49 AM
exacerbated by all of the societal paranoia about male violence/offensiveness.
This one was a HUGE hang up for me. I had enormous guilt about having the irrepresible urge to bang chicks hard all day and night. I remember my first week at college there was this big presentation about rape and how awful we men are. Thanks for destroying my college experience assholes.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 07, 2009, 10:09:24 AMIt's just like sales, I was told that as long as I spoke to 30 perspective costumers in a day I'd be sure to make at least one sale no matter how clueless my approach was.
:yes:
It *is* sales. You're selling yourself to a potential client. :)
btw I went through sales training and heard the exact same thing.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:11:36 AMThis one was a HUGE hang up for me. I had enormous guilt about having the irrepresible urge to bang chicks hard all day and night. I remember my first week at college there was this big presentation about rape and how awful we men are. Thanks for destroying my college experience assholes.
"Hot, Sexy, and Safer"? :bleeding:
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 10:05:49 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:51:48 AM
It's much more than that. It's so easy getting rejected by women, there is no challenge into that. You'd learn nothing even if you got rejected by 100 women in one night (makes a decent challenge between friends, though).
Remember who the target audience is, guys who have NO CLUE on how to be confident approaching women and talk to them: How to approach a woman without putting pressure on her, how to talk to her, how to control your body language, how to tease and flirt, and so on. For them it takes practice.
Well, I guess I was never one of those guys. For most guys (or at least for me), the big, scary barrier is the fear of rejection, exacerbated by all of the societal paranoia about male violence/offensiveness. Get over that and you are more or less home free (at least, to get women more or less as hot as yourself). Thus, forcing yourself to get over rejection would be a useful exercise.
But before thinking of having a fulfilling relationship, one must start by actually have relationships.
Most young men (or at least, those who aspire to become PUAs or an ego boost by shagging as many women as possible) don't want to get in women who are 6-7s only, they want also to get in the panties of the 9-10s. They don't want to content themselves with someone more or less good-looking, but the most good-looking ones. Which is fine, at first, when your start to become sexually active. But it does remains rather... shallow.
For those seeking to settle down and find a more fulfilling relationship based on much more than just how fucking awesome-looking the woman is, however, you are totally right.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:11:36 AM
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 10:05:49 AM
exacerbated by all of the societal paranoia about male violence/offensiveness.
This one was a HUGE hang up for me. I had enormous guilt about having the irrepresible urge to bang chicks hard all day and night. I remember my first week at college there was this big presentation about rape and how awful we men are. Thanks for destroying my college experience assholes.
Fortunately my urge to bang chicks wasn't going to be put off for long by a little thing like that. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 10:18:56 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:11:36 AM
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 10:05:49 AM
exacerbated by all of the societal paranoia about male violence/offensiveness.
This one was a HUGE hang up for me. I had enormous guilt about having the irrepresible urge to bang chicks hard all day and night. I remember my first week at college there was this big presentation about rape and how awful we men are. Thanks for destroying my college experience assholes.
Fortunately my urge to bang chicks wasn't going to be put off for long by a little thing like that. ;)
You should have raised your hand and asked "well, don't women fantasize and actually want to be raped anyway?"
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 10:20:21 AM
You should have raised your hand and asked "well, don't women fantasize and actually want to be raped anyway?"
One girl said that men cannot help it, they all would rape if they were drunk and had a drunk woman at their disposal. I was like "what? That is fucking bullshit." And then after getting my balls busted for a bit I decided it wasn't worth the effort.
I should have had more fun with it but I took things too seriously at 18.
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 10:18:56 AM
Fortunately my urge to bang chicks wasn't going to be put off for long by a little thing like that. ;)
Oh I tried but the guilt always had me trying to pretend I wasn't trying to get sex...which sorta undermined all my efforts.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
One girl said that men cannot help it, they all would rape if they were drunk and had a drunk woman at their disposal. I was like "what? That is fucking bullshit." And then after getting my balls busted for a bit I decided it wasn't worth the effort.
I should have had more fun with it but I took things too seriously at 18.
You should have offered her a drink.
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 10:20:21 AM
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 10:18:56 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:11:36 AM
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 10:05:49 AM
exacerbated by all of the societal paranoia about male violence/offensiveness.
This one was a HUGE hang up for me. I had enormous guilt about having the irrepresible urge to bang chicks hard all day and night. I remember my first week at college there was this big presentation about rape and how awful we men are. Thanks for destroying my college experience assholes.
Fortunately my urge to bang chicks wasn't going to be put off for long by a little thing like that. ;)
You should have raised your hand and asked "well, don't women fantasize and actually want to be raped anyway?"
Have you ever read one of those harlequin romance novels that women read? Packed with semi-consensual sex in which the heroine's body betrays her and causes her to fall in love with the main guy... or at least that's what I hear. :ph34r:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 07, 2009, 10:54:09 AM
Have you ever read one of those harlequin romance novels that women read? Back with semi-consensual sex in which the heroine's body betrays her and causes her to fall in love with the main guy... or at least that's what I hear. :ph34r:
Girls are total pervs. They don't teach you that as a young guy.
There is no sick perversion some woman has not written a wank fest story about in the internet somewhere.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 07, 2009, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
One girl said that men cannot help it, they all would rape if they were drunk and had a drunk woman at their disposal. I was like "what? That is fucking bullshit." And then after getting my balls busted for a bit I decided it wasn't worth the effort.
I should have had more fun with it but I took things too seriously at 18.
You should have offered her a drink.
:lmfao:
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:55:36 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 07, 2009, 10:54:09 AM
Have you ever read one of those harlequin romance novels that women read? Back with semi-consensual sex in which the heroine's body betrays her and causes her to fall in love with the main guy... or at least that's what I hear. :ph34r:
Girls are total pervs. They don't teach you that as a young guy.
There is no sick perversion some woman has not written a wank fest story about in the internet somewhere.
I've never read a woman's writing on hot, rough, nasty sex over a wargaming map of the War of the Pacific yet. :perv:
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 07, 2009, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
One girl said that men cannot help it, they all would rape if they were drunk and had a drunk woman at their disposal. I was like "what? That is fucking bullshit." And then after getting my balls busted for a bit I decided it wasn't worth the effort.
I should have had more fun with it but I took things too seriously at 18.
You should have offered her a drink.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 07, 2009, 10:54:09 AM
Have you ever read one of those harlequin romance novels that women read? Packed with semi-consensual sex in which the heroine's body betrays her and causes her to fall in love with the main guy... or at least that's what I hear. :ph34r:
Lots of women are into rape
fantasy. There is of course a world of difference between rape fantasy and actual rape.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 07, 2009, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
One girl said that men cannot help it, they all would rape if they were drunk and had a drunk woman at their disposal. I was like "what? That is fucking bullshit." And then after getting my balls busted for a bit I decided it wasn't worth the effort.
I should have had more fun with it but I took things too seriously at 18.
You should have offered her a drink.
:lmfao: POTM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 10:57:32 AM
I've never read a woman's writing on hot, rough, nasty sex over a wargaming map of the War of the Pacific yet. :perv:
I would google that but I fear what I might find.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 10:57:32 AM
I've never read a woman's writing on hot, rough, nasty sex over a wargaming map of the War of the Pacific yet. :perv:
I would google that but I fear what I might find.
You know you want to.
http://www.literotica.com/stories/
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 10:57:32 AM
I've never read a woman's writing on hot, rough, nasty sex over a wargaming map of the War of the Pacific yet. :perv:
I would google that but I fear what I might find.
Sweat wrinkling the cardboard counter for the
Yamato?
I love languish. This thread turned from a story of a crazy guy shooting up women, to a Languish how to in picking up women, and then into a discussion about womens rape fantasies :lol:
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 11:05:12 AM
I love languish. This thread turned from a story of a crazy guy shooting up women, to a Languish how to in picking up women, and then into a discussion about womens rape fantasies :lol:
You missed the latest twist - sex and wargames (or rather, sex
on wargames). :P
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 11:05:12 AM
I love languish. This thread turned from a story of a crazy guy shooting up women, to a Languish how to in picking up women, and then into a discussion about womens rape fantasies :lol:
You missed the latest twist - sex and wargames (or rather, sex on wargames). :P
I was trying to block that out on my mind :D
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 07, 2009, 10:54:09 AM
Have you ever read one of those harlequin romance novels that women read? Packed with semi-consensual sex in which the heroine's body betrays her and causes her to fall in love with the main guy... or at least that's what I hear. :ph34r:
Ayn Rand novels too
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 11:05:12 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 10:57:32 AM
I've never read a woman's writing on hot, rough, nasty sex over a wargaming map of the War of the Pacific yet. :perv:
I would google that but I fear what I might find.
Sweat wrinkling the cardboard counter for the Yamato?
You laugh, but one of my female e-mail pals was going in Hawaii for vacation. In one of her e-mails, she asked me what I would be doing one evening after working out.
I told her I was doing to start a PBEM of WITP with someone from Europe, and the fact that it starts on December 7th made me think of her because she'll be visiting Pearl Harbor. In her reply, she told me to save one big, fat battleship for her. :P
Quote from: HVC on August 07, 2009, 11:05:12 AM
I love languish. This thread turned from a story of a crazy guy shooting up women, to a Languish how to in picking up women, and then into a discussion about womens rape fantasies :lol:
It's not a crazed, misgynistic jackass and the murder of innocent women that will stop us from being total amoral jerks. :menace:
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
It's not a crazed, misgynistic jackass and the murder of innocent women that will stop us from being total amoral jerks. :menace:
I think picking up women and discussing their rape fantasies is highly moral. Filled with proper internet values.
No offense, Drakken, but you sound rather like a douche.
Quote from: garbon on August 07, 2009, 11:20:51 AM
No offense, Drakken, but you sound rather like a douche.
No offense taken. :hug:
Empathy is something I know I lack often. :Embarrass:
Quote from: garbon on August 07, 2009, 11:20:51 AM
No offense, Drakken, but you sound rather like a douche.
I think that is the angle he was going for, yes.
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:21:31 AM
Empathy is something I know I lack often. :Embarrass:
Well it also just sounds like a messed up view of human relations.
Quote from: garbon on August 07, 2009, 11:23:36 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:21:31 AM
Empathy is something I know I lack often. :Embarrass:
Well it also just sounds like a messed up view of human relations.
How? My view of human relations have been shaped up by how humans related to me in my life. It is just that I stopped caring about what people thought of me, all for the better.
Guess I am nigh-on sociopathic, then. :blush:
Quote from: Malthus on August 07, 2009, 11:00:24 AM
Lots of women are into rape fantasy. There is of course a world of difference between rape fantasy and actual rape.
:yes: :ph34r: :shifty:
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:26:41 AM
How? My view of human relations have been shaped up by how humans related to me in my life. It is just that I stopped caring about what people thought of me, all for the better.
Guess I am nigh-on sociopathic, then. :blush:
Being hung up on wanting other people to think of you a certain way and being a sociopath are slightly different.
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 10:57:32 AM
I've never read a woman's writing on hot, rough, nasty sex over a wargaming map of the War of the Pacific yet. :perv:
Rule 34.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 11:35:03 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:26:41 AM
How? My view of human relations have been shaped up by how humans related to me in my life. It is just that I stopped caring about what people thought of me, all for the better.
Guess I am nigh-on sociopathic, then. :blush:
Being hung up on wanting other people to think of you a certain way and being a sociopath are slightly different.
Then, I am douche. Woo-hoo. I ain't only one here on this forum. :rolleyes:
I think I would much rather be a douche than a virgin. -_-
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:36:59 AM
Then, I am douche. Woo-hoo. I ain't only one here on this forum. :rolleyes:
Wow I don't think I have insulted somebody before by telling them they are not a sociopath before.
You are also not a psychopath.
Drakken: You bastard!
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 11:43:20 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:36:59 AM
Then, I am douche. Woo-hoo. I ain't only one here on this forum. :rolleyes:
Wow I don't think I have insulted somebody before by telling them they are not a sociopath before.
I am not insulted. :hug:
Just that telling someone that he acts like a douche on Languish is like telling a girl she acts like a slut in a strip club. :)
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 11:43:20 AM
You are also not a psychopath.
Then why are there so many severed heads in my freezer? :unsure:
Oh, you meant Drakken. :Embarrass:
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 11:43:20 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:36:59 AM
Then, I am douche. Woo-hoo. I ain't only one here on this forum. :rolleyes:
Drakken: You bastard!
What did I do again?
I swear, she told me she was single! :huh: :P
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 11:43:20 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:36:59 AM
Then, I am douche. Woo-hoo. I ain't only one here on this forum. :rolleyes:
Wow I don't think I have insulted somebody before by telling them they are not a sociopath before.
You are also not a psychopath.
Drakken: You bastard!
It's ok, you can call me sane any time you want cause i like ya :hug:
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:46:02 AM
Just that telling someone that he acts like a douche on Languish is like telling a girl she acts like a slut in a strip club. :)
Actually I think it is more a case of calling out very extreme examples. ;)
Women? Screw'em!
Quote from: garbon on August 06, 2009, 11:18:47 AM
I'm surprised that he couldn't get anyone to sleep with him within the past 2 decades. He's not really unattractive.
I was talking to a female friend about this just yesterday:
"You women simply don't realize the damage you can do by constantly rejecting men."
"But did you see his picture? He was ugly, and had big teeth, and his mouth moved funny when he talked and..."
"See, it's attitudes like that that get women killed."
:lol:
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
You know something funny? Women like to be treated badly. That's what goofs like this guy could never figure out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ZJeRjPDLk
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
You know something funny? Women like to be treated badly challenged. That's what goofs like this guy could never figure out.
Fixed. :P
Nope, they like to be treated badly. Because once the challenge of reforming the bad guy is over, she's bored to tears by him, and off to find another assbeater.
Quote from: Valmy on August 07, 2009, 09:10:50 AMRaciss!
This guy sounds like he made the classic blunder: he started approaching really hot women and wondered why they rejected him. Um...if you can't play the game well you need to start out in the minors.
Rather baffling because that is usually a mistake most guys correct when they are in High School.
This is true. You don't date the cheerleaders if you're not on the football team. Unless you make enough money.
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 09:53:37 AM
"Nice guys" does colloquially mean the latter. When a girl says that a man is "a nice guy", everyone knows it is a underhanded compliment.
Of course women want guys who will treat them nice, they are not masochist (well, not all of them). But they want a confident, assertive man.
That is why the acronym "AFC" was invented, to get rid of any association between "being nice" and "being a doormat".
It's an underhanded insult, in much the same vein as chicks shudder when they're told they "have a nice personality".
Two rules, very easy to follow--
1) Treat the whores like queens, and the queens like whores.
2) Treat both with equal amounts of contempt and apathy, and they will always call you.
Gotta tell you guys about this anecdote:
Ran into this vendor, Kelly, I know yesterday; gorgeous girl, knows my mother from working with her elsewhere, so there's always a conversation start-up point available.
Chatted her up for a bit in the coffee shop line (she was letting people go ahead of her to keep talking. ZOMG IS THAT A SIGN?, said buh-bye, and that was that. I see her from time to time easy enough.
I mean, this girl is stupid beautiful, as in, she's so beautiful she makes you do stupid things. On purpose. And you want to.
Later on, I was shooting the shit with a guy I work with whose office is across the hall from mine, and mentioned I saw Kelly.
"Well, you're certainly in a good mood."
"But Don, this girl is so gorgeous, she's the kind you volunteer to parachute behind enemy lines and kill Nazis for."
"Is that her?"
I look out the doorway, and guess who's across the hall knocking on my office door with another vendor, to take care of a problem of his (ZOMG IS THIS ANOTHER SIGN?).
Now, I don't know if she overheard that, but she was certainly chatty. Told her I'd give her a tour of the new surgical suites under construction next week, she said she'd stop by (HOLY SHIT ANOTHER SIGN?).
Anyway...you take your chances with them. I'll be taking one next week.
Quote from: garbon on August 07, 2009, 11:23:36 AM
Quote from: Drakken on August 07, 2009, 11:21:31 AM
Empathy is something I know I lack often. :Embarrass:
Well it also just sounds like a messed up view of human relations.
You're gay. You are completely unqualified to comment on human relations.
Quote from: Neil on August 07, 2009, 05:49:17 PM
You're gay. You are completely unqualified to comment on human relations.
And you've delusions of Godhead.
Quote from: garbon on August 07, 2009, 11:20:51 AM
No offense, Drakken, but you sound rather like a douche.
Drakken is your standard sensitive ponytail Patcholi stink douche, that's all.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 07, 2009, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
You know something funny? Women like to be treated badly. That's what goofs like this guy could never figure out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ZJeRjPDLk
:lol: One of my favorite episodes.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 07, 2009, 05:46:12 PM
Told her I'd give her a tour of the new surgical suites under construction next week
Whoa there Romeo, best be careful with that silver tounge of yours.
Quote from: Bluebook on August 08, 2009, 09:32:45 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 07, 2009, 05:46:12 PM
Told her I'd give her a tour of the new surgical suites under construction next week
Whoa there Romeo, best be careful with that silver tounge of yours.
:lol: Burn
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 08, 2009, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: Bluebook on August 08, 2009, 09:32:45 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 07, 2009, 05:46:12 PM
Told her I'd give her a tour of the new surgical suites under construction next week
Whoa there Romeo, best be careful with that silver tounge of yours.
:lol: Burn
Considering she's a surgical equipment vendor, it's central to the storyline. :P
:(
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32343651/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
QuotePriest: Gunman darkening room fits evil intent
Women killed in health club rampage remembered as devoted, loving
updated 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
GREEN TREE, Pa. - Before Elizabeth "Betsy" Gannon and two other women were shot dead and nine more were wounded in their aerobics classroom at a health club, the gunman paused to shut off the lights.
The priest who conducted Gannon's funeral Saturday said that was only fitting.
"Because that's what evil is all about — cowardice. Evil can't function any other way but in the dark," the Rev. Francis "Bud" Murhammer told about 200 mourners at St. Margaret of Scotland Parish Church in Green Tree, a tiny suburb just south of Pittsburgh.
Murhammer was referring to the acts of George Sodini, a bitter loner who was unlucky with women and fatally shot Gannon, Heidi Overmier and Jody Billingsley before killing himself.
Overmier's funeral also was Saturday, a few miles southwest at the First United Methodist Church of Bridgeville, less than a mile from the L.A. Fitness center in Collier Township, where the shootings happened Tuesday night.
Overmier's pastor, the Rev. Josephine Whitely-Fields, said Overmier's "life was suddenly ended in a senseless act of violence, and each one of us have felt the pain and sadness of her departure."
The pastors, and those who eulogized the women, shone more light on the lives of the victims.
'Warm ray of sunshine'
Overmier, 46, of Carnegie, was a single mother who doted on her 15-year-old son, Ian. She worked as an amusement park sales rep and was perhaps best known at her church for annually writing and directing a Christmas play for children, complete with costumes she made.
She was a "devout Christian woman who left loving imprints on our hearts that will be with us until we die," her pastor said.
Gannon, 49, of Green Tree, was divorced and didn't have children. She worked as an X-ray technician at a Pittsburgh hospital but was remembered more for spending her spare time as a surrogate Aunt Bea to her nieces and nephews, for her daily walks with her Labrador retriever and for the pride she took in her Irish heritage.
"Betsy was a beautiful, warm ray of sunshine to everyone she ever met," said Linda O'Brian, a childhood classmate and lifelong friend.
Visitation for Billingsley, 37, of Mount Lebanon, was set for Sunday at a suburban funeral home. Her body will then be taken to Franklin, in northwestern Pennsylvania, where she went to school and grew up, for a second visitation on Tuesday. Her funeral is scheduled for Wednesday at the First United Methodist Church there.
Two of four wounded victims who had been hospitalized were discharged by Saturday. Heather Sherba, 22, of Collier Township, was released from Allegheny General Hospital, and another woman was released from UPMC Mercy hospital, where officials had been asked not to disclose patients' names.
Others hospitalized
Mary Primis, the pregnant 26-year-old aerobics instructor, remained hospitalized in fair condition at Allegheny. Another patient was in serious but stable condition at UPMC Mercy.
Allegheny County medical examiner's office Deputy Thomas Rabickow said Saturday that Sodini's body had been released to a funeral director, whom he declined to identify. No funeral arrangements for Sodini have been announced.
Generally, funerals in notorious death cases are conducted privately and obituaries run afterward.
Sodini's family did not return telephone calls seeking comment, nor did his former pastor, who conducted a service at his church in Plum on Friday night to address the killings with his congregation.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.
Quote from: Drakken on August 06, 2009, 11:49:16 AM
I have already posted what I think of this loser over the Paradox OT forum. I'll merely copy/paste it.
Yes, I know, probably TL;DR. :blush:
QuoteOriginally Posted by Mr. Domino
Er-yes. I guess thats my point.
Its been a long day and maybe I am just picking on the new guy and being a snob-this guy isn't like tom campbell, this guy isn't like your typical "nice guy" or OTer, or javayman's friends or anybody else. He's not sexually frustrated-he's mentally ill.
Yeah, yeah, I just turned him into "the other" and distanced myself and the entire community from him. Thats what we do to people who attempt mass murder.
It just strikes me as weird and questionable to see all the , pics of OTers, and quasi-relationship stuff in what is essentially a "R.I.P." thread.
I agree. We must not forget that four women died and several others are badly wounded. It really saddens me.
All because a AFC turned berserk and, instead to find psychological help, decided in a narcissistic and paranoid way to blame the women and seek his own twisted justice. And it draws a chord, because I was nine years old when Marc Lépine killed 13 women at the École Polytechnique of Montreal for the same kinds of reason: delusions of persecution and an unrelenting hatred of women.
But you know what, that SOB is the extreme of something that undeniably exists, that I have witnessed countless of times, in myself as in others: AFCs and/or nice guys who, out of delusion, frustration, misunderstanding, mental disorder, or sheer paranoia, accuse women of all the sins in the world because "they" don't appreciate them for what they think they are, but in fact aren't : highly valuable.
I am not a pick-up guru or a natural player. In fact, all the way until I moved in my flat in Montreal at 25, I was part of the nice guy club, extremely nerdy and dorky, bullied at school and college for more than a decade, and living with my abusive, promiscuous queenbee of a mother, with my room just besides hers and well on the way to become a mentally unbalanced momma's boy for reasons I'll leave at the imagination of the readers (no, it doesn't involve incest). But I was seeting inside. In time, I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder with Antisocial and Narcissistic personality traits, which can be a very dangerous cocktail of personality traits. I had incredible frustration inside, which I needed to act out by nigh-on criminal behavior, by binge-drinking, by whoring myself out to women in need of a gigolo. The borderline rages I had were so intolerable, self-inflicted injuries weren't enough anymore. I had started to have homicidal thoughts when I finally decided to seek professional help because I wanted it to stop. So I know first hand what kind of person the killer was and what he was thinking, because I have been through it as well for some years - except that I got laid, for all the bad reasons.
HOWEVER, instead of wallowing in self-pity or going postal, I decided to grow a pair and improve my life, slowly and painfully. I stopped being a total nerd, I found a job, took medication, and started to work out, which did great for self-confidence and basic health. Then, slowly, I started to glance at women in their eyes everywhere I could, then I started to smile at them, and then I approached them. And you know what? It worked, instead of dying inside, I felt fine. I learned they can be worthy of trust. I am not a jerk (most of the times). I just smile, approach, compliment, tease, flirt, and ask women out - in other words, be confident and assertive, and actually treat women as equals and valuable for themselves, and not because they are merely women to take out as a prize.
But from personal experience, nice guys, especially those who desperately try to get women and fail for years on end, do not treat women as equals anymore, and the things I have heard these kinds of boys (I won't call them men) accuse women of, it would make a feminist burst out in total anger. Many of them become with time misogynistic doormats, both putting "women as an ideal" on a piedestal while trashing all girls who refuse them as teasing whores going for the jerks. They are mistrusful, fearful, and prefer to beg their way into a relationship rather than tackle the target of their dreams directly and take the risk of a rejection. No wonder many of them get frustrated with years of failure.
Fortunately, most keep it to venting within a close circle of friends and keep their violent fantasies to themselves. Most of them remain non-violent and law-abiding. But I suspect a few of them - the most unbalanced ones, can lose touch with reality and become violent if the right triggers are pressed.
This case is very extreme. However, I argue that the basic underlying mechanics behind this kind of violence is present in the vast majority of AFCs and/or nice guys, and that is what frightens me in the long run - that more guys losing at The Game will consider to take their abject frustration to physical abuse, violence towards women, and - at worst - femicide, instead of recognizing that the problem might lay in their own mind, in their own choices.
Some AFCs will argue that he is a victim of a so-called tendency among "modern" women to use men for their own benefits, to treat men like objects to be used and thrown away. I am not one of them. First, I find this argument ludicrous in itself as there is no "female conspiracy" to collectively abuse men and exploit them without scrupules nor conscience; second, I am not the one who will blame women for "mentally torturing" this guy to become a mass murderer. Rejection can be harsh for everyone, and very disappointing, but there are MILLIONS of women in the US alone. And I refuse to believe that all millions of them have namely rejected this man.
Instead, I place the blame on him. He is the victimiser. He is responsible for creating his own hell. And these women who have been victims of this mind-broken loser deserve all the sympathy from both women and men. They are the innocents here. The thing now is to prevent more frustrated men from taking him as an example, by recognizing nice guys and AFCs who exhibit these kinds of misogynistic delusions and direct them to seek psychological help. They need to recognize that this guy is not a hero, but a zero. And most importantly, that their perception of reality is NOT necessarily reality. That is one of the most important things people who feel like have-nots must learn in their lives to begin growing out of it.
Sorry for the "nice guys" here who might disagree and/or be offended by my opinions and my story. But I speak from my personal, anecdotal experience. I have tried to help some of my pals to get ouf their warped viewpoint about women and relationships, but I am not a psychiatrist, so my perspective on doorm... I mean nice guys is rather bleak. At least I have not become like this guy, and I wish no one will in the future.
Too long didn't read.
But the fact that you spent time posting such a wall of text about some loon guy who couldn't get any, coupled with your obsession about female faithfulness and your simultaneous support for polyamory, makes me think we will be getting headlines about a Canadian faux Swede next. :lol:
Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2009, 03:42:07 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 06, 2009, 12:23:40 PMpeople are going to hate us if neil ever shoots someplace up.
I'm amazed that you would single Neil out for a comparison here. :huh:
Indeed. I'm not a 'shooting rampage' kind of guy. I'm more of a 'change the laws so that it's alright for law enforcement to feed homosexuals feet first into woodchippers' kind of guy. I'm not a crazed gunman, I'm more the kind of person who sees people as statistics rather than individuals.
You know, your trolling has become really disgusting lately.
Quote from: Martinus on August 09, 2009, 02:33:35 AM
You know, your trolling has become really effective lately.
What Marty's really saying.
Quote from: Martinus on August 09, 2009, 02:33:35 AM
Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2009, 03:42:07 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on August 06, 2009, 12:23:40 PMpeople are going to hate us if neil ever shoots someplace up.
I'm amazed that you would single Neil out for a comparison here. :huh:
Indeed. I'm not a 'shooting rampage' kind of guy. I'm more of a 'change the laws so that it's alright for law enforcement to feed homosexuals feet first into woodchippers' kind of guy. I'm not a crazed gunman, I'm more the kind of person who sees people as statistics rather than individuals.
You know, your trolling has become really disgusting lately.
So has your behavior. You act like an annoying fag, thus forcing me to say more and more outrageous things.
Quote from: Martinus on August 09, 2009, 02:18:53 AM
But the fact that you spent time posting such a wall of text about some loon guy who couldn't get any, coupled with your obsession about female faithfulness and your simultaneous support for polyamory, makes me think we will be getting headlines about a Canadian faux Swede next. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Touche', puddytat.
:blink:
QuotePolice questioned health club gunman, let him go
By JOE MANDAK (AP) – 45 minutes ago
PITTSBURGH — The man who shot up a women's aerobics class, killing three people and then himself, was questioned a week earlier by police because he matched the description of a man seen pulling what appeared to be a grenade from a computer bag, authorities said Monday.
George Sodini, 48, of Scott Township, was ultimately let go by Port Authority of Allegheny County police because they couldn't confirm he was the man on the bus July 28, authorities said.
But County police Superintendent Charles Moffatt told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that investigators found writings in Sodini's home after the shooting that referenced the situation.
Moffatt did not immediately return a call from The Associated Press on Monday.
In addition to the deaths, Sodini shot wounded nine people who were attending the aerobics class at the L.A. Fitness club in Collier Township on Aug. 4.
Port Authority spokesman Jim Ritchie said transit police didn't charge Sodini because the witness who reported seeing a man with a grenade couldn't confirm Sodini was the one, and Sodini denied it when police found and questioned him two days later.
"It wasn't until two days later that our sergeant found a guy matching the description," Ritchie told The Associated Press on Monday. "There wasn't much more we could do at that point."
The passenger saw a man matching Sodini's description take a grenade out of a computer bag around 7 a.m. July 28 and move it around in his hands. The passenger didn't report it to Port Authority police until that afternoon, Ritchie said, too late for police to search the bus.
The passenger "definitely saw it; he just wasn't sure it was a real (grenade)," Ritchie said. "It looked pretty real to him."
The passenger told police the man "was sort of toying with it in his hands, sitting there almost passing the time with the thing in his hands."
Police began staking out that bus route, and on July 30 a sergeant stopped, questioned and searched Sodini because he matched the description of the man with the grenade. The officer photographed Sodini, but the passenger was shown the picture and couldn't confirm Sodini was the man with the grenade, Ritchie said.
Port Authority officials immediately notified county police about the grenade investigation once Sodini was identified as the health club shooter, Ritchie said.
Moffatt told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that he can't say whether police found a grenade at Sodini's home, but they did find writings. He did not elaborate.
Two people injured in the shooting remained hospitalized Monday, one in fair condition and one in serious condition, hospital officials said.
Funeral home visitation was scheduled Tuesday in Franklin for the third woman killed by Sodini, Jody Billingsley, 37, of Mount Lebanon. Her funeral is Wednesday in Franklin. Funerals for the other two victims, Heidi Overmier, 46, of Carnegie, and Elizabeth Gannon, 49, of Green Tree, were on Saturday.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6741638.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6741638.ece)
(I can't post a direct link to the YouTube video due to annoying work website filters)
Homo.
Seriously, watching that video tells me exactly why he couldn't get any chicks. Total gay vibe.
Women like the gay vibe.
Quote from: Valmy on August 14, 2009, 09:32:49 AM
Women like the gay vibe.
Yes, well there's the normal gay vibe, and the "i'm going to dress up in your skin and pretend i'm a woman" gay vibe... it seems like he was the later
Quote from: HVC on August 14, 2009, 09:58:45 AM
the "i'm going to dress up in your skin and pretend i'm a woman" gay vibe
AKA The Siege Vibe
Also I'm afraid in terms of actual gays, that I don't know the "I'm going to dress up in a woman's skin" vibe. :huh:
Quote from: garbon on August 14, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
Also I'm afraid in terms of actual gays, that I don't know the "I'm going to dress up in a woman's skin" vibe. :huh:
It's more of a Western Penn thing.
Quote from: HVC on August 14, 2009, 09:58:45 AMYes, well there's the normal gay vibe, and the "i'm going to dress up in your skin and pretend i'm a woman" gay vibe... it seems like he was the later
It's a weird thing to encounter. I had a guy I just arrested for beating up his girlfriend. I always got a gay vibe off him so I was very surprised when he moved in with this girlfriend. Anyways, long story short, he went on the run after beating her up and one of the places I found he had been staying was a very gay heroin users home. It was pretty clear that he had a girl plus this guy on the DL. It seems that a lot of homosexual men try their best to deny their own natures which results in a lot of hostility towards the females that they try and have heterosexual relationships with. It would appear they focus their anger and aggression towards these females that results from their inner turmoil.
Quote from: Strix on August 14, 2009, 12:03:01 PM
It seems that a lot of homosexual men try their best to deny their own natures
Gee, I wonder why. :rolleyes:
Quote from: garbon on August 14, 2009, 12:12:42 PM
Gee, I wonder why. :rolleyes:
It's a different situation than you face. These guys get cornholed regardless of their sexual orientation. Apparently some end up liking it or liked it before they got raped. It than leaves them with inner turmoil once they leave prison.
Quote from: Strix on August 14, 2009, 12:15:54 PM
It's a different situation than you face. These guys get cornholed regardless of their sexual orientation. Apparently some end up liking it or liked it before they got raped. It than leaves them with inner turmoil once they leave prison.
Well certainly the rape part is a mitigating factor...but I wonder if it might help them still if homosexuality wasn't so widely demonized. After all, it has to be sort of one, two punch when you've been raped and most people you know frown on such sex.
Quote from: garbon on August 14, 2009, 12:19:09 PM
Well certainly the rape part is a mitigating factor...but I wonder if it might help them still if homosexuality wasn't so widely demonized. After all, it has to be sort of one, two punch when you've been raped and most people you know frown on such sex.
I couldn't say. I deal with a lot of homosexuals on a daily basis so it really isn't demonized where I work and with the people I work with. So, I am not a very good barometer on that.
Quote from: Strix on August 14, 2009, 12:24:40 PM
I couldn't say. I deal with a lot of homosexuals on a daily basis so it really isn't demonized where I work and with the people I work with. So, I am not a very good barometer on that.
Did I suggest that you demonize homosexuals? I meant the family,friends, associates, whatever of those individuals.
Quote from: garbon on August 14, 2009, 12:28:42 PM
Did I suggest that you demonize homosexuals? I meant the family,friends, associates, whatever of those individuals.
Calm down. I was just saying that I am, personally, not aware of how much homosexuals are demonized anymore in society because the part of society I interact with the most deals with them on a daily basis.
In the case of the guy I mentioned I am sure it was a major factor because he is Hispanic and they seem to be a very homophobic bunch.
Quote from: Strix on August 14, 2009, 12:31:52 PM
Calm down.
:huh:
I was just making sure you weren't taking offense at what I'd said.
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 11:12:34 AM
On a related note, Ed Rendell is a fucking moron. He made a public comment about how he "couldn't understand how someone this crazy could get his hands on all of these guns" (paraphrasing). Dumbass, the guy had no criminal record. :huh:
psych eval to get some guns might not be a bad idea.
Quote from: viper37 on August 14, 2009, 12:40:28 PM
psych eval to get some guns might not be a bad idea.
:mad:
The Second Amendment says NOTHING about crazies not being allowed to have guns. Why, if crazies couldn't bear arms in the 1770s we would be a Dominion today. :bleeding:
Oh wait... that would actually be pretty cool. God save the Queen. :bowler:
Seriously, I would have been a Loyalist during the Revolution. I wrote a term paper to that effect when I was in college and the fucking whore professor gave me a C+. :mad:
Of course, I just had to have douchebag ancestors who supported the Revolution. :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on August 14, 2009, 12:47:54 PM
Seriously, I would have been a Loyalist during the Revolution. I wrote a term paper to that effect when I was in college and the fucking whore professor gave me a C+. :mad:
Of course, I just had to have douchebag ancestors who supported the Revolution. :mad:
I would have been a loyalist heart, but would have tried to avoid making a public stand. :blush:
But yeah, like I told Sheilbh recently in the books thread, the founding fathers were just whiny bitches.
They just wanted to avoid paying taxes. FUCKING LIBERTARIANS, THE LOT OF THEM. :mad:
I hate taxes in general too, but would have no problem paying them to QE2. :wub:
Quote from: Caliga on August 14, 2009, 12:52:47 PM
They just wanted to avoid paying taxes. FUCKING LIBERTARIANS, THE LOT OF THEM. :mad:
I hate taxes in general too, but would have no problem paying them to QE2. :wub:
Exactly, which is why I think they were whiny! Ungrateful bastards.
Not so - the grievances extended from the failure of British authorities to abide by proper constitutional procedure, not just over the taxes, which were pretty mild.
Hence I would have been a revolutionary since very little gets me worked up more than the government trying to cut procedural corners.
And for the same reasons, Berkut would have been ultraloyalist. ;)
Quote from: Valmy on August 14, 2009, 09:32:49 AM
Women like the gay vibe.
I'll never understand that. I just don't get why we like us so much :mellow:
The only reason I can think of is that we're not that interested in them but I don't know if that's it.
QuoteSeriously, I would have been a Loyalist during the Revolution.
I'd travel from Britain just to be a revolutionary :wub:
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 16, 2009, 07:46:14 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 14, 2009, 09:32:49 AM
Women like the gay vibe.
I'll never understand that. I just don't get why we like us so much :mellow:
The only reason I can think of is that we're not that interested in them but I don't know if that's it.
QuoteSeriously, I would have been a Loyalist during the Revolution.
I'd travel from Britain just to be a revolutionary :wub:
Why not start a Republican revolutionary movement in Britain?
Quote from: Caliga on August 14, 2009, 12:47:54 PM
Seriously, I would have been a Loyalist during the Revolution.
And I would've tarred and feathered you, except instead of tar and feathers, I'd have chopped you and your family's fucking heads off in your sleep. LIVE FREE OR DIE
I would have given Britain The Bomb. The American rebels are morally identical to the Confederates.
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 16, 2009, 07:46:14 AM
I'll never understand that. I just don't get why we like us so much :mellow:
Supposedly the accent. :bowler:
Quote from: Caliga on August 14, 2009, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: viper37 on August 14, 2009, 12:40:28 PM
psych eval to get some guns might not be a bad idea.
:mad:
The Second Amendment says NOTHING about crazies not being allowed to have guns. Why, if crazies couldn't bear arms in the 1770s we would be a Dominion today. :bleeding:
Oh wait... that would actually be pretty cool. God save the Queen. :bowler:
Well we wouldn't be having this health care debate.
Quote from: garbon on August 14, 2009, 12:51:20 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 14, 2009, 12:47:54 PM
Seriously, I would have been a Loyalist during the Revolution. I wrote a term paper to that effect when I was in college and the fucking whore professor gave me a C+. :mad:
Of course, I just had to have douchebag ancestors who supported the Revolution. :mad:
I would have been a loyalist heart, but would have tried to avoid making a public stand. :blush:
But yeah, like I told Sheilbh recently in the books thread, the founding fathers were just whiny bitches.
Well shit, I was going to suggest I would have been a loyalist as well but with you leaning that way... Ugh.
Quote from: Caliga on August 14, 2009, 06:56:19 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6741638.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6741638.ece)
(I can't post a direct link to the YouTube video due to annoying work website filters)
Homo.
Seriously, watching that video tells me exactly why he couldn't get any chicks. Total gay vibe.
I saw less of a gay vibe, and more of a ridiculously pathetic vibe. He is talking about having 15 years to practice skills for relationships without actually being in relationships? Had I seen that video before his rampage, I would have expected him to be harmless only because he seemed to be totally buying in that the internet and self help videos would get him many younger women.
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 16, 2009, 07:46:14 AM
I'll never understand that. I just don't get why we like us so much :mellow:
The only reason I can think of is that we're not that interested in them but I don't know if that's it.
I do not really get it either. I hesitate to even speculate as to why this is.
Just came across a very long and rambling article in the weekly standard railing against the seduction community and modern dating/mating habits in general. It also has a surprising referencing to this crime. Basically the end claim to the article is that the sexual revolution has primarily benefited women to the disadvantage of all non-alpha males. A rather odd, though sometimes thought provoking article.
http://weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 09, 2010, 01:32:05 AM
Just came across a very long and rambling article in the weekly standard railing against the seduction community and modern dating/mating habits in general. It also has a surprising referencing to this crime. Basically the end claim to the article is that the sexual revolution has primarily benefited women to the disadvantage of all non-alpha males. A rather odd, though sometimes thought provoking article.
http://weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game
Actually, that's a damned fine article. Thanks. You actually contributed something positive other than copy-pastes of AP wires.
I read only two pages of this crap. Does it actually conclude (where it seems to be going) that because women started to behave like men when it comes to dating and mating, they are sluts and guilty of forcing the male losers to shoot them up? :lol:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 09, 2010, 01:32:05 AMBasically the end claim to the article is that the sexual revolution has primarily benefited women to the disadvantage of all non-alpha males.
Not exactly a surprise. Women may be free to have more casual sex, but that doesn't mean that all guys benefit. Some will bang hundreds of chicks and others will get nothing.
QuoteNot one of them finds me attractive," the 48-year-old computer programmer lamented.
QuoteDuring the tour, he points out his computers
it really speaks for itself doesnt it?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 07, 2009, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
You know something funny? Women like to be treated badly. That's what goofs like this guy could never figure out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ZJeRjPDLk
yup
the bigger an asshole and more emotionally unavailable i became, the more women wanted me
Quote from: Rasputin on February 09, 2010, 10:24:45 AM
QuoteNot one of them finds me attractive," the 48-year-old computer programmer lamented.
QuoteDuring the tour, he points out his computers
it really speaks for itself doesnt it?
I'm sure he was an MMO player.
I CAN BUFF UR TANK. Or whatever those people say.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 09, 2010, 06:37:11 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 09, 2010, 01:32:05 AM
Just came across a very long and rambling article in the weekly standard railing against the seduction community and modern dating/mating habits in general. It also has a surprising referencing to this crime. Basically the end claim to the article is that the sexual revolution has primarily benefited women to the disadvantage of all non-alpha males. A rather odd, though sometimes thought provoking article.
http://weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game
Actually, that's a damned fine article. Thanks. You actually contributed something positive other than copy-pastes of AP wires.
You're kidding, right? :huh:
Tim had it right when he said it was long and rambling. Should have also mentioned unfocussed, and never really comes to any particular point.
I found the vewry last line unintentionally amusing however:
QuoteCharlotte Allen, a contributing editor to the Manhattan Institute's Minding the Campus website, is writing her doctoral dissertation in medieval and Byzantine studies.
She's probably jealous because she is too much a boring, no-life warpig to get hit on by PUAs and attractive guys at the campus and get laid. :sleep:
Maybe's she'll rampage a Curves fitness club near her college with guns in the end.
Quote from: Rasputin on February 09, 2010, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 07, 2009, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
You know something funny? Women like to be treated badly. That's what goofs like this guy could never figure out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ZJeRjPDLk
yup
the bigger an asshole and more emotionally unavailable i became, the more women wanted me
this is bullshit.
The problem is 99% of guys come in two varieties: arrogant assholes or pussyfooting ponytails. Of the two types, the former is more arousing (and the same goes for gay men).
The thing is most men are crap. Women don't prefer to be treated badly - they just prefer assholes who are also decisive, successful and masculine to assholes who are whiny, unkempt and passive-aggressive. The latter, though, keep convincing themselves they are the "nice guys" whom the women avoid.
Quote from: Martinus on February 09, 2010, 06:09:14 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on February 09, 2010, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 07, 2009, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 06, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
You know something funny? Women like to be treated badly. That's what goofs like this guy could never figure out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ZJeRjPDLk
yup
the bigger an asshole and more emotionally unavailable i became, the more women wanted me
this is bullshit.
The problem is 99% of guys come in two varieties: arrogant assholes or pussyfooting ponytails. Of the two types, the former is more arousing (and the same goes for gay men).
The thing is most men are crap. Women don't prefer to be treated badly - they just prefer assholes who are also decisive, successful and masculine to assholes who are whiny, unkempt and passive-aggressive. The latter, though, keep convincing themselves they are the "nice guys" whom the women avoid.
:moon:
Martinus: member of the seduction community
Personally, I avoid assholes of all ilks. I'd rather be single than treated badly by anyone. Between "alpha" nice guys and "geek" nice guys, though, I always went for the alpha geeks. ^_^
Quote from: merithyn on February 09, 2010, 06:53:50 PM
Personally, I avoid assholes of all ilks. I'd rather be single than treated badly by anyone. Between "alpha" nice guys and "geek" nice guys, though, I always went for the alpha geeks. ^_^
Hey, and a .500 marriage average will definitely get you into Cooperstown.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 09, 2010, 09:07:58 PM
Quote from: merithyn on February 09, 2010, 06:53:50 PM
Personally, I avoid assholes of all ilks. I'd rather be single than treated badly by anyone. Between "alpha" nice guys and "geek" nice guys, though, I always went for the alpha geeks. ^_^
Hey, and a .500 marriage average will definitely get you into Cooperstown.
Better than someone with a .000 average.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 09, 2010, 09:39:34 PM
Better than someone with a .000 average.
That's like ragging on a running back about his completion percentage, you oaf.
I thought it was a good article, though somewhat shallow. It's main fault was that it didn't mention Houellebecq. He portrays modern life better than any other writer I have read, and this subject is one of his main themes, and also the theme of his first book, which I consider his best. If one is really interested in the damage wrought by the generation of 68, it is to Houellebecq one must turn. He is perhaps the greatest writer of our time.
BBC interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t97G3gRH_Rg
Quote from: Neil on February 09, 2010, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 09, 2010, 09:39:34 PM
Better than someone with a .000 average.
That's like ragging on a running back about his completion percentage, you oaf.
LaDainian Tomlinson has an excellent completion percentage. -_-
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 09, 2010, 09:07:58 PM
Quote from: merithyn on February 09, 2010, 06:53:50 PM
Personally, I avoid assholes of all ilks. I'd rather be single than treated badly by anyone. Between "alpha" nice guys and "geek" nice guys, though, I always went for the alpha geeks. ^_^
Hey, and a .500 marriage average will definitely get you into Cooperstown.
Hey, don't years count? I have been married for 15 years total. When you figure I'm only 40, that's not half-bad.
At the very least, it oughta count that I'm in the game... unlike some people. :whistle:
The person that wrote the article gets some moochie points for using "Hot Chicks with Douchebags" (http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com/ (http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com/)) as a reference.
Quote from: Barrister on February 09, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 09, 2010, 06:37:11 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 09, 2010, 01:32:05 AM
Just came across a very long and rambling article in the weekly standard railing against the seduction community and modern dating/mating habits in general. It also has a surprising referencing to this crime. Basically the end claim to the article is that the sexual revolution has primarily benefited women to the disadvantage of all non-alpha males. A rather odd, though sometimes thought provoking article.
http://weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game
Actually, that's a damned fine article. Thanks. You actually contributed something positive other than copy-pastes of AP wires.
You're kidding, right? :huh:
Nope. Misogyny in print, regardless of its form, entertains me.
Quote from: Neil on February 09, 2010, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 09, 2010, 09:39:34 PM
Better than someone with a .000 average.
That's like ragging on a running back about his completion percentage, you oaf.
:lmfao:
Quote from: merithyn on February 09, 2010, 10:46:38 PM
At the very least, it oughta count that I'm in the game... unlike some people. :whistle:
Some games shouldn't be played. :goodboy: