Pennsylvania health club rampage

[CountDeMoney]

"Nice guys" does colloquially mean the latter. When a girl says that a man is "a nice guy", everyone knows it is a underhanded compliment. 

Of course women want guys who will treat them nice, they are not masochist (well, not all of them). But they want a confident, assertive man.

That is why the acronym "AFC" was invented, to get rid of any association between "being nice" and "being a doormat".

It's an underhanded insult, in much the same vein as chicks shudder when they're told they "have a nice personality".

Two rules, very easy to follow--
1) Treat the whores like queens, and the queens like whores.
2) Treat both with equal amounts of contempt and apathy, and they will always call you.

[CountDeMoney]

Gotta tell you guys about this anecdote:

Ran into this vendor, Kelly, I know yesterday;  gorgeous girl, knows my mother from working with her elsewhere, so there's always a conversation start-up point available. 

Chatted her up for a bit in the coffee shop line (she was letting people go ahead of her to keep talking. ZOMG IS THAT A SIGN?, said buh-bye, and that was that.  I see her from time to time easy enough.
I mean, this girl is stupid beautiful, as in, she's so beautiful she makes you do stupid things.  On purpose.  And you want to.

Later on, I was shooting the shit with a guy I work with whose office is across the hall from mine, and mentioned I saw Kelly.

"Well, you're certainly in a good mood."
"But Don, this girl is so gorgeous, she's the kind you volunteer to parachute behind enemy lines and kill Nazis for."
"Is that her?"

I look out the doorway, and guess who's across the hall knocking on my office door with another vendor, to take care of a problem of his (ZOMG IS THIS ANOTHER SIGN?).

Now, I don't know if she overheard that, but she was certainly chatty.  Told her I'd give her a tour of the new surgical suites under construction next week, she said she'd stop by (HOLY SHIT ANOTHER SIGN?).

Anyway...you take your chances with them.  I'll be taking one next week.

[Neil]

Empathy is something I know I lack often. 

Well it also just sounds like a messed up view of human relations.

You're gay.  You are completely unqualified to comment on human relations.

[garbon]

You're gay.  You are completely unqualified to comment on human relations.

And you've delusions of Godhead.

[CountDeMoney]

No offense, Drakken, but you sound rather like a douche.

Drakken is your standard sensitive ponytail Patcholi stink douche, that's all.

[jimmy olsen]

You know something funny?  Women like to be treated badly.  That's what goofs like this guy could never figure out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ZJeRjPDLk

One of my favorite episodes.

[Bluebook]

Told her I'd give her a tour of the new surgical suites under construction next week

Whoa there Romeo, best be careful with that silver tounge of yours.

[jimmy olsen]

Told her I'd give her a tour of the new surgical suites under construction next week

Whoa there Romeo, best be careful with that silver tounge of yours.

Burn

[CountDeMoney]

Told her I'd give her a tour of the new surgical suites under construction next week

Whoa there Romeo, best be careful with that silver tounge of yours.

Burn

Considering she's a surgical equipment vendor, it's central to the storyline.

[jimmy olsen]

 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32343651/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Priest: Gunman darkening room fits evil intent
Women killed in health club rampage remembered as devoted, loving

updated 1 hour, 47 minutes ago

GREEN TREE, Pa. - Before Elizabeth "Betsy" Gannon and two other women were shot dead and nine more were wounded in their aerobics classroom at a health club, the gunman paused to shut off the lights.

The priest who conducted Gannon's funeral Saturday said that was only fitting.

"Because that's what evil is all about — cowardice. Evil can't function any other way but in the dark," the Rev. Francis "Bud" Murhammer told about 200 mourners at St. Margaret of Scotland Parish Church in Green Tree, a tiny suburb just south of Pittsburgh.

Murhammer was referring to the acts of George Sodini, a bitter loner who was unlucky with women and fatally shot Gannon, Heidi Overmier and Jody Billingsley before killing himself.

Overmier's funeral also was Saturday, a few miles southwest at the First United Methodist Church of Bridgeville, less than a mile from the L.A. Fitness center in Collier Township, where the shootings happened Tuesday night.

Overmier's pastor, the Rev. Josephine Whitely-Fields, said Overmier's "life was suddenly ended in a senseless act of violence, and each one of us have felt the pain and sadness of her departure."

The pastors, and those who eulogized the women, shone more light on the lives of the victims.

'Warm ray of sunshine'
Overmier, 46, of Carnegie, was a single mother who doted on her 15-year-old son, Ian. She worked as an amusement park sales rep and was perhaps best known at her church for annually writing and directing a Christmas play for children, complete with costumes she made.

She was a "devout Christian woman who left loving imprints on our hearts that will be with us until we die," her pastor said.

Gannon, 49, of Green Tree, was divorced and didn't have children. She worked as an X-ray technician at a Pittsburgh hospital but was remembered more for spending her spare time as a surrogate Aunt Bea to her nieces and nephews, for her daily walks with her Labrador retriever and for the pride she took in her Irish heritage.

"Betsy was a beautiful, warm ray of sunshine to everyone she ever met," said Linda O'Brian, a childhood classmate and lifelong friend.

Visitation for Billingsley, 37, of Mount Lebanon, was set for Sunday at a suburban funeral home. Her body will then be taken to Franklin, in northwestern Pennsylvania, where she went to school and grew up, for a second visitation on Tuesday. Her funeral is scheduled for Wednesday at the First United Methodist Church there.

Two of four wounded victims who had been hospitalized were discharged by Saturday. Heather Sherba, 22, of Collier Township, was released from Allegheny General Hospital, and another woman was released from UPMC Mercy hospital, where officials had been asked not to disclose patients' names.

Others hospitalized
Mary Primis, the pregnant 26-year-old aerobics instructor, remained hospitalized in fair condition at Allegheny. Another patient was in serious but stable condition at UPMC Mercy.

Allegheny County medical examiner's office Deputy Thomas Rabickow said Saturday that Sodini's body had been released to a funeral director, whom he declined to identify. No funeral arrangements for Sodini have been announced.

Generally, funerals in notorious death cases are conducted privately and obituaries run afterward.

Sodini's family did not return telephone calls seeking comment, nor did his former pastor, who conducted a service at his church in Plum on Friday night to address the killings with his congregation.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.

[Martinus]

I have already posted what I think of this loser over the Paradox OT forum. I'll merely copy/paste it.

Yes, I know, probably TL;DR. 

Originally Posted by Mr. Domino
Er-yes. I guess thats my point.

Its been a long day and maybe I am just picking on the new guy and being a snob-this guy isn't like tom campbell, this guy isn't like your typical "nice guy" or OTer, or javayman's friends or anybody else. He's not sexually frustrated-he's mentally ill.

Yeah, yeah, I just turned him into "the other" and distanced myself and the entire community from him. Thats what we do to people who attempt mass murder.

It just strikes me as weird and questionable to see all the , pics of OTers, and quasi-relationship stuff in what is essentially a "R.I.P." thread.

I agree. We must not forget that four women died and several others are badly wounded. It really saddens me.

All because a AFC turned berserk and, instead to find psychological help, decided in a narcissistic and paranoid way to blame the women and seek his own twisted justice. And it draws a chord, because I was nine years old when Marc Lépine killed 13 women at the École Polytechnique of Montreal for the same kinds of reason: delusions of persecution and an unrelenting hatred of women.

But you know what, that SOB is the extreme of something that undeniably exists, that I have witnessed countless of times, in myself as in others: AFCs and/or nice guys who, out of delusion, frustration, misunderstanding, mental disorder, or sheer paranoia, accuse women of all the sins in the world because "they" don't appreciate them for what they think they are, but in fact aren't : highly valuable.

I am not a pick-up guru or a natural player. In fact, all the way until I moved in my flat in Montreal at 25, I was part of the nice guy club, extremely nerdy and dorky, bullied at school and college for more than a decade, and living with my abusive, promiscuous queenbee of a mother, with my room just besides hers and well on the way to become a mentally unbalanced momma's boy for reasons I'll leave at the imagination of the readers (no, it doesn't involve incest). But I was seeting inside. In time, I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder with Antisocial and Narcissistic personality traits, which can be a very dangerous cocktail of personality traits. I had incredible frustration inside, which I needed to act out by nigh-on criminal behavior, by binge-drinking, by whoring myself out to women in need of a gigolo. The borderline rages I had were so intolerable, self-inflicted injuries weren't enough anymore. I had started to have homicidal thoughts when I finally decided to seek professional help because I wanted it to stop. So I know first hand what kind of person the killer was and what he was thinking, because I have been through it as well for some years - except that I got laid, for all the bad reasons.

HOWEVER, instead of wallowing in self-pity or going postal, I decided to grow a pair and improve my life, slowly and painfully. I stopped being a total nerd, I found a job, took medication, and started to work out, which did great for self-confidence and basic health. Then, slowly, I started to glance at women in their eyes everywhere I could, then I started to smile at them, and then I approached them. And you know what? It worked, instead of dying inside, I felt fine. I learned they can be worthy of trust. I am not a jerk (most of the times). I just smile, approach, compliment, tease, flirt, and ask women out - in other words, be confident and assertive, and actually treat women as equals and valuable for themselves, and not because they are merely women to take out as a prize.

But from personal experience, nice guys, especially those who desperately try to get women and fail for years on end, do not treat women as equals anymore, and the things I have heard these kinds of boys (I won't call them men) accuse women of, it would make a feminist burst out in total anger. Many of them become with time misogynistic doormats, both putting "women as an ideal" on a piedestal while trashing all girls who refuse them as teasing whores going for the jerks. They are mistrusful, fearful, and prefer to beg their way into a relationship rather than tackle the target of their dreams directly and take the risk of a rejection. No wonder many of them get frustrated with years of failure.

Fortunately, most keep it to venting within a close circle of friends and keep their violent fantasies to themselves. Most of them remain non-violent and law-abiding. But I suspect a few of them - the most unbalanced ones, can lose touch with reality and become violent if the right triggers are pressed.

This case is very extreme. However, I argue that the basic underlying mechanics behind this kind of violence is present in the vast majority of AFCs and/or nice guys, and that is what frightens me in the long run - that more guys losing at The Game will consider to take their abject frustration to physical abuse, violence towards women, and - at worst - femicide, instead of recognizing that the problem might lay in their own mind, in their own choices.

Some AFCs will argue that he is a victim of a so-called tendency among "modern" women to use men for their own benefits, to treat men like objects to be used and thrown away. I am not one of them. First, I find this argument ludicrous in itself as there is no "female conspiracy" to collectively abuse men and exploit them without scrupules nor conscience; second, I am not the one who will blame women for "mentally torturing" this guy to become a mass murderer. Rejection can be harsh for everyone, and very disappointing, but there are MILLIONS of women in the US alone. And I refuse to believe that all millions of them have namely rejected this man.

Instead, I place the blame on him. He is the victimiser. He is responsible for creating his own hell. And these women who have been victims of this mind-broken loser deserve all the sympathy from both women and men. They are the innocents here. The thing now is to prevent more frustrated men from taking him as an example, by recognizing nice guys and AFCs who exhibit these kinds of misogynistic delusions and direct them to seek psychological help. They need to recognize that this guy is not a hero, but a zero. And most importantly, that their perception of reality is NOT necessarily reality. That is one of the most important things people who feel like have-nots must learn in their lives to begin growing out of it.

Sorry for the "nice guys" here who might disagree and/or be offended by my opinions and my story. But I speak from my personal, anecdotal experience. I have tried to help some of my pals to get ouf their warped viewpoint about women and relationships, but I am not a psychiatrist, so my perspective on doorm... I mean nice guys is rather bleak. At least I have not become like this guy, and I wish no one will in the future.

Too long didn't read.

But the fact that you spent time posting such a wall of text about some loon guy who couldn't get any, coupled with your obsession about female faithfulness and your simultaneous support for polyamory, makes me think we will be getting headlines about a Canadian faux Swede next. 

[Martinus]

people are going to hate us if neil ever shoots someplace up.

I'm amazed that you would single Neil out for a comparison here. 

Indeed.  I'm not a 'shooting rampage' kind of guy.  I'm more of a 'change the laws so that it's alright for law enforcement to feed homosexuals feet first into woodchippers' kind of guy.  I'm not a crazed gunman, I'm more the kind of person who sees people as statistics rather than individuals.

You know, your trolling has become really disgusting lately.

[Eddie Teach]

You know, your trolling has become really effective lately.

What Marty's really saying.

[Neil]

people are going to hate us if neil ever shoots someplace up.

I'm amazed that you would single Neil out for a comparison here. 

Indeed.  I'm not a 'shooting rampage' kind of guy.  I'm more of a 'change the laws so that it's alright for law enforcement to feed homosexuals feet first into woodchippers' kind of guy.  I'm not a crazed gunman, I'm more the kind of person who sees people as statistics rather than individuals.

You know, your trolling has become really disgusting lately.

So has your behavior.  You act like an annoying fag, thus forcing me to say more and more outrageous things.

[CountDeMoney]

But the fact that you spent time posting such a wall of text about some loon guy who couldn't get any, coupled with your obsession about female faithfulness and your simultaneous support for polyamory, makes me think we will be getting headlines about a Canadian faux Swede next. 

Touche', puddytat.