Pennsylvania health club rampage

[Drakken]

This guy sounds like he made the classic blunder: he started approaching really hot women and wondered why they rejected him.  Um...if you can't play the game well you need to start out in the minors.

A guy with his level of difficulty needed to start with middle aged fat, ugly chicks with 3 kids.  Get some confidence, maybe learn to eat a little pussy, and then WHAM BAM THANK YOU MA'AM CYA WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA.

Bingo.

However, approaching hot women is a sure way to lose one's approach anxiety, because AFCs tend to believe that the hottier the woman is, the more special she is, and that she is to be treated differently than other women, which is a big mistake. Hot women are women first, and thus have the same needs (and triggers) as fugly SuBo-lookalike birds.

In fact, since hot women are used to be treated like queens and asskissing by other guys, they are rather easy to challenge. 

If you can take rejection by them, the fear goes way quickly, which is a huge first step for people who are not at ease with approaching women.

[Ed Anger]

Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them!

And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack.

In truth, that is what the "seduction community" is all about: learn people to stop being so coy around women, and approach and talk to them with confidence and assertiveness.

There is certainly that. Lean into her bodyspace, pay attention to her body language, that sort of thing.

It's the term "seduction community" which has a high creepiness factor.

Plus this douchebag is part of it:

[HVC]

Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them!

And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack.

Or she wants to be your friend lol. At this guys level of expertise he'd get more frustrated as he starting collecting friends

A girl who wants to be your friend doesn't like to be touched by a stranger (namely you) she has barely met. When she does, it's because she is comfortable at being touched by you.

Unless, of course, you were not assertive enough to make it clear that what you want is to get into her pants (and her heart, of course).

That's why i said his level of experience. He hadn't gotten laid in 19 years, i'm pretty sure he'd fuck up the friend zone boundries

[Drakken]

Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them!

And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack.

In truth, that is what the "seduction community" is all about: learn people to stop being so coy around women, and approach and talk to them with confidence and assertiveness.

There is certainly that. Lean into her bodyspace, pay attention to her body language, that sort of thing.

It's the term "seduction community" which has a high creepiness factor.

I tend to agree with you, its a rather odd metaphor rather than what it is, a "player and pick-up artist community".

[Valmy]

Or she wants to be your friend lol. At this guys level of expertise he'd get more frustrated as he starting collecting friends

That happens if you dance around the fact you are interested in her generally.  There is a difference between being subtle and playful and being a coward.

With younger women I had to bash them over the head I was interested, with older women they would instantly pick up on it. 

"Oh wait you wanted to meet me for coffee and have been flirting with me the whole time because you were interested in me?  I thought we were just friends!"

Young women = excellent at wasting your time.  Also too many men have the wishful thinking disease..even with anybody with a brain could tell she is not interested they will grab onto whatever scrap she will throw their way.

[Drakken]

Don't "study women".... fucking talk to them!

And touch them and make them laugh. If she doesn't recoil at your touch and laughs at your jokes, she is the your sack.

Or she wants to be your friend lol. At this guys level of expertise he'd get more frustrated as he starting collecting friends

A girl who wants to be your friend doesn't like to be touched by a stranger (namely you) she has barely met. When she does, it's because she is comfortable at being touched by you.

Unless, of course, you were not assertive enough to make it clear that what you want is to get into her pants (and her heart, of course).

That's why i said his level of experience. He hadn't gotten laid in 19 years, i'm pretty sure he'd fuck up the friend zone boundries

From what I read, girls didn't even want to be friends with him. It's even lower than being a nice guy. 

[Valmy]

I tend to agree with you, its a rather odd metaphor rather than what it is, a "player and pick-up artist community".

Yeah because that doesn't sound creepy at all.

[Valmy]

From what I read, girls didn't even want to be friends with him. It's even lower than being a nice guy. 

Oh you are one of those guys.

[Drakken]

I tend to agree with you, its a rather odd metaphor rather than what it is, a "player and pick-up artist community".

Yeah because that doesn't sound creepy at all.

Then, "seduction community" is the lesser of the two evils.

[HVC]

Or she wants to be your friend lol. At this guys level of expertise he'd get more frustrated as he starting collecting friends

"Oh wait you wanted to meet me for coffee and have been flirting with me the whole time because you were interested in me?  I thought we were just friends!"

That's also guys fault. Half her male "friends" want to get into her pants, so they flirt and play, but can never pull itt off. Which leads her to belive, a that age, that all guy friends are that way

[Drakken]

From what I read, girls didn't even want to be friends with him. It's even lower than being a nice guy. 

Oh you are one of those guys.

Yeah sure, I am certainly like that guy, I have a girlfriend and I get laid.

[Valmy]

That's also guys fault. Half her male "friends" want to get into her pants, so they flirt and play, but can never pull itt off. Which leads her to belive, a that age, that all guy friends are that way

I suppose that is true but I had no patience for that shit.  If she was too fucking retarded to not pick up on something without me flashing a neon sign in front of her face then she is too fucking retarded to be my girlfriend.

Of course I sound all tough now because I eventually worked out the kinks over a number of months of fucking things up and eventually had fun and got what I wanted.  If (Hod forbid) I get out dating again I will probably have to be seasoned again because my fucking emotions get in the way at first until you get your feet back under you and keep your cool.

[Malthus]

This guy sounds like he made the classic blunder: he started approaching really hot women and wondered why they rejected him.  Um...if you can't play the game well you need to start out in the minors.

A guy with his level of difficulty needed to start with middle aged fat, ugly chicks with 3 kids.  Get some confidence, maybe learn to eat a little pussy, and then WHAM BAM THANK YOU MA'AM CYA WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA.

Bingo.

However, approaching hot women is a sure way to lose one's approach anxiety, because AFCs tend to believe that the hottier the woman is, the more special she is, and that she is to be treated differently than other women, which is a big mistake. Hot women are women first, and thus have the same needs (and triggers) as fugly SuBo-lookalike birds.

In fact, since hot women are used to be treated like queens and asskissing by other guys, they are rather easy to challenge. 

If you can take rejection by them, the fear goes way quickly, which is a huge first step for people who are not at ease with approaching women.

Heh I can just imagine the "homework".

'Okay, class, today's assignment is to get rejected by 10 good looking women tonight. By the end of the week I expect every member of the class to have 50 rejections ..."

Thing is, if you stuck with that, and posed the question with any sort of decency (and weren't grotesque looking/smelling), you'd almost certainly be laid by the end of the week.

The mathematical theory of dating. 

[Valmy]

Yeah sure, I am certainly like that guy, I have a girlfriend and I get laid.

I mean the dude who thinks that girls really do hate "nice guys" when actually they just don't really like needy creepy guys.

[Valmy]

Thing is, if you stuck with that, and posed the question with any sort of decency (and weren't grotesque looking/smelling), you'd almost certainly be laid by the end of the week.

Mathematics is the only way to go.

Eventually you do end up rejecting alot of them to.