Pennsylvania health club rampage

[Caliga]

Strangely, I don't think there's a thread on this.  What's interesting is not that he killed three random MILFs, but rather how much written and video material he left explaining his motivations.  Psychologists everywhere are jizzing, no doubt.

On a related note, Ed Rendell is a fucking moron.  He made a public comment about how he "couldn't understand how someone this crazy could get his hands on all of these guns" (paraphrasing).  Dumbass, the guy had no criminal record. 

Gunman at Pa. health club was bitter over women
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM (AP) – 40 minutes ago

BRIDGEVILLE, Pa. — Friends mourned for three women fatally shot during their exercise class at a Pittsburgh-area gym by a man whose online diary revealed he felt ignored by women and had an "exit plan" to avenge his rage.

George Sodini went to a sprawling L.A. Fitness Club on Tuesday night, turned out the lights on the "Latin impact" dance-aerobics class for women, and opened fire with three guns, spraying dozens of bullets before committing suicide.

"He just had a lot of hatred in him and (was) hell-bent on committing this act, and no one was going to stop him," Allegheny County Police Superintendent Charles Moffatt said Wednesday.

His 4,610-word Web diary appeared to be a nine-month chronology of his plans to end his misery with a shocking act of carnage at his gym. He couldn't understand why women ignored him, despite his best efforts to look nice. He wrote that he hadn't had a girlfriend since 1984, hadn't slept with a woman in 19 years.

"Women just don't like me. There are 30 million desirable women in the US (my estimate) and I cannot find one. Not one of them finds me attractive," the 48-year-old computer programmer lamented.

It was unclear when the Web diary was posted and whether it had been updated online repeatedly since November or posted in its entirety recently.

Two undated videos, apparently recorded by Sodini, surfaced on the Internet and are posted on Starcasm.net. In one, he tours his suburban Pittsburgh home, starting outside and moving inside the two-bedroom, brick rancher. In the other, Sodini recorded himself standing in a doorway talking about hiding his emotions and trying to "emotionally connect" with people.

During the tour, he points out his computers, living space and a basement where he highlights his handy work, hanging paneling and a suspended ceiling. Sodini notes that a sofa and chair in his living room match and says, "women will really be impressed." He also focuses on reading material on a table that include a books titled "Date Young Women" and a paper with "Office Politics" printed on the front.

Moving through the home, he talks about a newly purchased dining room set, and shows his bedroom, which includes a bed, computer and a dresser.

"It looks pretty clean," he said. "I'm sure she'll be impressed."

Speaking to the camera in the second video, Sodini talks about hiding his emotion, how he thought he had 15 years remaining and how his objective his to "be real and be emotional" and to be able to "emotionally connect with people."

He speaks about how, in a relationship with a woman 10 to 20 years younger, "she has to feel good about this thing."

The health club violence rocked the town of about 5,300 people just outside Pittsburgh.

Killed were Heidi Overmier, 46, of Carnegie, a sales manager at an amusement park; Jody Billingsley, 37, of Mount Lebanon, who worked for a medical-supply company; and Elizabeth Gannon, 49, of Pittsburgh, an X-ray technician at Allegheny General Hospital.

"She can't be gone," said Gannon's next-door neighbor and close friend, Carl Rady, who knew her for 35 years and said she loved to work out and pamper her dog. "It can't happen that way."

Patricia Cowen lived across the street from Sodini for 12 years, and told the CBS "Early Show" on Thursday that it was "really devastating" to find out about the shootings and the online journal. Asked whether he ever seemed disturbed, she said no.

"He seemed pretty focused on life," Cowen said. "He seemed happy.

"I felt like he was just a loner who liked to keep to himself. He would say 'Hi' on occasion. I just never thought that someone like that would be so capable of what he's done."

Six patients remained hospitalized, including the aerobics instructor, Mary Primis, 26, who was listed in fair condition. Primis is pregnant but said doctors told her the baby is fine.

Sodini did not have a relationship with any of his victims, according to police.

In his Web diary, Sodini wrote of planning the attack since at least November and said he tried to carry it out when the same weekly aerobics class met Jan. 6 but "chickened out," he wrote.

His anger stemmed from unfulfilled desire: The women at his gym "look so beautiful as to not be human," he wrote. He complained that women "don't even give me a second look ANYWHERE" even though he was tan and fit and claimed to dress well and smell nice.

He listed his status as "Never married." In a chilling addition, he recorded the date of his death as Aug. 4, 2009.

Sodini did not have a criminal record, and he legally bought the guns he used, police said.

Sodini's family issued a brief statement: "Our hearts and prayers are with the victims and their families and we pray for the full recovery of the survivors."

Sodini graduated in 1992 from the University of Pittsburgh with a degree in computer science and had worked as a systems analyst at a Pittsburgh law firm since 1999.

A neighbor, Connie Fontanesi, said Sodini was so anti-social that "we really didn't learn anything personal about him."

Associated Press writers Joe Mandak, Ramit Plushnick-Masti, Genaro C. Armas and Jennifer Yates contributed to this report.

[garbon]

I'm surprised that he couldn't get anyone to sleep with him within the past 2 decades. He's not really unattractive.

[Caliga]

I suspect he might have just had a strange personality.  I do find it laughable that he couldn't get ANY pussy whatsoever.  He probably has Internet standards; he clearly spent alot of time online.  If you're not supermodel HOTT, you're not good enough for random nerd George Sodini!

[jimmy olsen]

Like a sick twisted combo of Wags and Cdm.

[Caliga]

Like a sick twisted combo of Wags and Cdm.

Wags has a gf, dude, and has for years....

Seedy, er....

[jimmy olsen]

Like a sick twisted combo of Wags and Cdm.

Wags has a gf, dude, and has for years....

Seedy, er....

Really?

Well the old Wags then.

[Grey Fox]

Next time, visit lavalife & eharmony first. Or even okcupid & adultfriendfinder.

[Caliga]

What amuses me is it seems like this guy put like 100x times more effort into executing a mass murder than he put into finding some poon, and the supposed reason for the former was inability to find the latter.  Finding some poon is as easy as responding to an online ad these days.  You don't even have to pick up the phone!

But, as I said: Internet standards.  In one of the videos he keeps talking about his fixation on getting a younger woman.  Probably that's a thinly-veiled appeal to find an extremely attractive woman.... an association I've never understood.  I find myself generally attracted to women my age or even older, and I've always been that way.

[Drakken]

I have already posted what I think of this loser over the Paradox OT forum. I'll merely copy/paste it.

Yes, I know, probably TL;DR. 

Originally Posted by Mr. Domino
Er-yes. I guess thats my point.

Its been a long day and maybe I am just picking on the new guy and being a snob-this guy isn't like tom campbell, this guy isn't like your typical "nice guy" or OTer, or javayman's friends or anybody else. He's not sexually frustrated-he's mentally ill.

Yeah, yeah, I just turned him into "the other" and distanced myself and the entire community from him. Thats what we do to people who attempt mass murder.

It just strikes me as weird and questionable to see all the , pics of OTers, and quasi-relationship stuff in what is essentially a "R.I.P." thread.

I agree. We must not forget that four women died and several others are badly wounded. It really saddens me.

All because a AFC turned berserk and, instead to find psychological help, decided in a narcissistic and paranoid way to blame the women and seek his own twisted justice. And it draws a chord, because I was nine years old when Marc Lépine killed 13 women at the École Polytechnique of Montreal for the same kinds of reason: delusions of persecution and an unrelenting hatred of women.

But you know what, that SOB is the extreme of something that undeniably exists, that I have witnessed countless of times, in myself as in others: AFCs and/or nice guys who, out of delusion, frustration, misunderstanding, mental disorder, or sheer paranoia, accuse women of all the sins in the world because "they" don't appreciate them for what they think they are, but in fact aren't : highly valuable.

I am not a pick-up guru or a natural player. In fact, all the way until I moved in my flat in Montreal at 25, I was part of the nice guy club, extremely nerdy and dorky, bullied at school and college for more than a decade, and living with my abusive, promiscuous queenbee of a mother, with my room just besides hers and well on the way to become a mentally unbalanced momma's boy for reasons I'll leave at the imagination of the readers (no, it doesn't involve incest). But I was seeting inside. In time, I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder with Antisocial and Narcissistic personality traits, which can be a very dangerous cocktail of personality traits. I had incredible frustration inside, which I needed to act out by nigh-on criminal behavior, by binge-drinking, by whoring myself out to women in need of a gigolo. The borderline rages I had were so intolerable, self-inflicted injuries weren't enough anymore. I had started to have homicidal thoughts when I finally decided to seek professional help because I wanted it to stop. So I know first hand what kind of person the killer was and what he was thinking, because I have been through it as well for some years - except that I got laid, for all the bad reasons.

HOWEVER, instead of wallowing in self-pity or going postal, I decided to grow a pair and improve my life, slowly and painfully. I stopped being a total nerd, I found a job, took medication, and started to work out, which did great for self-confidence and basic health. Then, slowly, I started to glance at women in their eyes everywhere I could, then I started to smile at them, and then I approached them. And you know what? It worked, instead of dying inside, I felt fine. I learned they can be worthy of trust. I am not a jerk (most of the times). I just smile, approach, compliment, tease, flirt, and ask women out - in other words, be confident and assertive, and actually treat women as equals and valuable for themselves, and not because they are merely women to take out as a prize.

But from personal experience, nice guys, especially those who desperately try to get women and fail for years on end, do not treat women as equals anymore, and the things I have heard these kinds of boys (I won't call them men) accuse women of, it would make a feminist burst out in total anger. Many of them become with time misogynistic doormats, both putting "women as an ideal" on a piedestal while trashing all girls who refuse them as teasing whores going for the jerks. They are mistrusful, fearful, and prefer to beg their way into a relationship rather than tackle the target of their dreams directly and take the risk of a rejection. No wonder many of them get frustrated with years of failure.

Fortunately, most keep it to venting within a close circle of friends and keep their violent fantasies to themselves. Most of them remain non-violent and law-abiding. But I suspect a few of them - the most unbalanced ones, can lose touch with reality and become violent if the right triggers are pressed.

This case is very extreme. However, I argue that the basic underlying mechanics behind this kind of violence is present in the vast majority of AFCs and/or nice guys, and that is what frightens me in the long run - that more guys losing at The Game will consider to take their abject frustration to physical abuse, violence towards women, and - at worst - femicide, instead of recognizing that the problem might lay in their own mind, in their own choices.

Some AFCs will argue that he is a victim of a so-called tendency among "modern" women to use men for their own benefits, to treat men like objects to be used and thrown away. I am not one of them. First, I find this argument ludicrous in itself as there is no "female conspiracy" to collectively abuse men and exploit them without scrupules nor conscience; second, I am not the one who will blame women for "mentally torturing" this guy to become a mass murderer. Rejection can be harsh for everyone, and very disappointing, but there are MILLIONS of women in the US alone. And I refuse to believe that all millions of them have namely rejected this man.

Instead, I place the blame on him. He is the victimiser. He is responsible for creating his own hell. And these women who have been victims of this mind-broken loser deserve all the sympathy from both women and men. They are the innocents here. The thing now is to prevent more frustrated men from taking him as an example, by recognizing nice guys and AFCs who exhibit these kinds of misogynistic delusions and direct them to seek psychological help. They need to recognize that this guy is not a hero, but a zero. And most importantly, that their perception of reality is NOT necessarily reality. That is one of the most important things people who feel like have-nots must learn in their lives to begin growing out of it.

Sorry for the "nice guys" here who might disagree and/or be offended by my opinions and my story. But I speak from my personal, anecdotal experience. I have tried to help some of my pals to get ouf their warped viewpoint about women and relationships, but I am not a psychiatrist, so my perspective on doorm... I mean nice guys is rather bleak. At least I have not become like this guy, and I wish no one will in the future.

[DisturbedPervert]

He complained that women "don't even give me a second look ANYWHERE" even though he was tan and fit and claimed to dress well and smell nice.

He's also old and creepy to those hot 20 something year old chicks he likes.  Money could have solved that.

[Drakken]

What amuses me is it seems like this guy put like 100x times more effort into executing a mass murder than he put into finding some poon, and the supposed reason for the former was inability to find the latter.  Finding some poon is as easy as responding to an online ad these days.  You don't even have to pick up the phone!

But, as I said: Internet standards.  In one of the videos he keeps talking about his fixation on getting a younger woman.  Probably that's a thinly-veiled appeal to find an extremely attractive woman.... an association I've never understood.  I find myself generally attracted to women my age or even older, and I've always been that way.

It is something I have noticed as well: the lesser success a guy has had with women throughout one's life, the younger he usually prefers their partners to be. One of my friend is the "nice guy finish last" type, and he exhibits the same behavior. When I tell him to find a woman more of his age, ironically, he replies that all women of his age are nuts. Go figure.

Which is a self-fulfilling prophecy, because younger girls usually don't want older, unkempt schmucks.

[Caliga]

@ Drakken



You're a football conference?

[Eddie Teach]

Reminds me of this guy.

[Caliga]

He complained that women "don't even give me a second look ANYWHERE" even though he was tan and fit and claimed to dress well and smell nice.

He's also old and creepy to those hot 20 something year old chicks he likes.  Money could have solved that.

He apparently had a good job though, as a .NET Development Manager at some big law firm in Pittsburgh Bill Gates's dad was involved in founding.

He states in one of his online rants that his net worth was approximately $250K.

So, while he was by no means wealthy, he had enough cash that he should have been able to at least snag a plain-looking gold digger, I would think.

[Drakken]

@ Drakken



You're a football conference?

Nope. It is just that, while very extreme, the type of behavior this guy has exhibited through his blog is something I have seen numerous times, in lesser and non-violent form, among nice guys.

Fortunately, nice guys going postal is a rare phenomenon. But like every mass murderer, they can become an icon for those losers who feel the same way.