http://news.yahoo.com/spitzer-weiner-lead-poll-because-scandal-brought-name-210148440.html
QuoteA little scandal never hurt anyone, especially in New York City, where the scandal-plagued comeback kids in the civic elections are leading over their more straitlaced opponents. The latest numbers have Anthony Weiner and Eliot Spitzer both sitting pretty--which is to say, they're on top.
In the latest Quinnipiac poll, former congressman Weiner is ahead of New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn, his biggest competition, by 25 to 22 percent in the race for mayor. And former governor Eliot Spitzer is beating Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer by 48 percent to 33 percent in the race for city comptroller. The fallen golden boys don't look quite so tainted now.
What Spitzer and Weiner have in common over their opponents is an early and aggressive marketing campaign via sex scandal. Being bad is good in New York, for better or for worse. People may know Weiner because of his sexually explicit-sexting scandal or Spitzer because of his dalliances with ladies of the night, but it's working for the two candidates. Other than those two, polled citizens were practically indifferent to every other choice. When pollsters were asked to pass a favorable or unfavorable opinion about the candidates, Weiner and Spitzer are the only two whose "haven't heard enough" scores came in under 20 percent. No one knows who the other guys are.
If you don't believe us, look at the data. Below, we've plotted two things: the percentage of people who've heard of a candidate (blue line, calculated by subtracting those who "haven't heard enough" from 100 percent) and the percentage of support each candidate gets in his or her race. In fact, the race itself really doesn't matter, comptroller or mayor; there is a strong correlation between awareness and voter support either way.
Politics is derided as being a popularity contest. That's only partly right.
Ugh. Hopefully this doesn't end up the case.
Wish they were on the same ticket. WeinerSpitzer.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 16, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
Wish they were on the same ticket. WeinerSpitzer.
:D
Don't Swallow the Hype!
And so it begins...:(
Spitzer was governor...it seems a leap to say that his name recognition in the state is primarily the result of a sex scandal.
Wine spritzer?
Quote from: alfred russel on July 16, 2013, 11:44:51 AM
Spitzer was governor...it seems a leap to say that his name recognition in the state is primarily the result of a sex scandal.
I don't know though that it is that big of a leap to say among people in NYC. After all many people won't have even lived in New York when he was gov. I certainly didn't.
How many people can name their governor? Unless he's Arnold? Or whatshername?
It is becoming impossible for mere humans not to have skeletons in their closet in the internet age. So maybe this is an inflection point in political mores. Perhaps statements like "I DID have sex with that woman (and the cute skinny one as well)" and "of course I inhaled you dork!" will become increasingly common :hmm:
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 16, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
It is becoming impossible for mere humans not to have skeletons in their closet in the internet age. So maybe this is an inflection point in political mores. Perhaps statements like "I DID have sex with that woman (and the cute skinny one as well)" and "of course I inhaled you dork!" will become increasingly common :hmm:
I think it is pretty easy as a married man not to be caught sending sexy photos of yourself to people not your wife and/or sleeping with people not your wife. ;)
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 16, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
It is becoming impossible for mere humans not to have skeletons in their closet in the internet age. So maybe this is an inflection point in political mores. Perhaps statements like "I DID have sex with that woman (and the cute skinny one as well)" and "of course I inhaled you dork!" will become increasingly common :hmm:
Weiner's was small, Spritzer's not so much.
Silly New Yorkers. We in Cincy would never have a dirtbag like those guys as mayor.
Quote from: derspiess on July 16, 2013, 01:32:38 PM
Silly New Yorkers. We in Cincy would never have a dirtbag like those guys as mayor.
:lol:
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2013, 12:47:14 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 16, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
It is becoming impossible for mere humans not to have skeletons in their closet in the internet age. So maybe this is an inflection point in political mores. Perhaps statements like "I DID have sex with that woman (and the cute skinny one as well)" and "of course I inhaled you dork!" will become increasingly common :hmm:
I think it is pretty easy as a married man not to be caught sending sexy photos of yourself to people not your wife and/or sleeping with people not your wife. ;)
Not everyone has the same foibles. Some people send sexy photos, while others kidnap and devour little children. No one's perfect.
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2013, 12:47:14 PM
I think it is pretty easy as a married man not to be caught sending sexy photos of yourself to people not your wife and/or sleeping with people not your wife. ;)
But still, apart from the wife, who cares? :mellow:
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 16, 2013, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2013, 12:47:14 PM
I think it is pretty easy as a married man not to be caught sending sexy photos of yourself to people not your wife and/or sleeping with people not your wife. ;)
But still, apart from the wife, who cares? :mellow:
I do. I don't care about sleeping with prostitutes or sending sexts except that doing so while a prominent political figure shows incredibly poor judgment. You have to know that shit is going to get leaked and there will be large political fallout which will be disruptive not only to your career but the performance of the duties of your position. Why would I want to elect someone like that into my already dysfunctional gov't?
I get the argument about prostitutes.
But I don't get your other argument. What if you're a minor political figure? Why should there be any political fallout because you're personally a sleazy guy (if you are)? Similarly why should a competent guy with vices be over looked for some totally clean Ken doll? :bleeding:
If you've not broke the law and you weren't abusing your position I don't get why it should be an issue.
I mean London's last mayor has five children, from five women and I think two of them were his wives at the time (and was, apparently, a bit of a creep). London's current mayor has five children, four from his wife, one from an affair. I don't think it matters at all in their fitness for office, or anything else.
We Americans are very strange about sexual morals determining fitness for public positions.
I find it odd that garbon is a proponent of this kind of thinking, since it's in the same vein of ideologies which restrict gay people based on their gayness.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 16, 2013, 05:38:16 PM
I get the argument about prostitutes.
But I don't get your other argument. What if you're a minor political figure? Why should there be any political fallout because you're personally a sleazy guy (if you are)? Similarly why should a competent guy with vices be over looked for some totally clean Ken doll? :bleeding:
If you've not broke the law and you weren't abusing your position I don't get why it should be an issue.
I mean London's last mayor has five children, from five women and I think two of them were his wives at the time (and was, apparently, a bit of a creep). London's current mayor has five children, four from his wife, one from an affair. I don't think it matters at all in their fitness for office, or anything else.
It isn't about what there should be but what there is. I think one would be incredibly naive to think there wouldn't be fallout in current day America.
Quote from: fhdz on July 16, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
We Americans are very strange about sexual morals determining fitness for public positions.
I don't know. According to the opening post it looks like more people don't care than do, same with the Sanford race. I just think there's a maybe large, loud disapproving minority.
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2013, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 16, 2013, 11:44:51 AM
Spitzer was governor...it seems a leap to say that his name recognition in the state is primarily the result of a sex scandal.
I don't know though that it is that big of a leap to say among people in NYC. After all many people won't have even lived in New York when he was gov. I certainly didn't.
Yeah, and what percent of the population do you think that is?
Quote from: fhdz on July 16, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
We Americans are very strange about sexual morals determining fitness for public positions.
To be honest, I'm not sure if infidelity shouldn't be a concern. If you won't even keep the trust of someone you love, why would you feel beholden to keep the trust of the faceless populace?
I'd feel very differently if it came out that Spitzer's wife had agreed to their arrangement / same for Weiner.
Quote from: fhdz on July 16, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
I find it odd that garbon is a proponent of this kind of thinking, since it's in the same vein of ideologies which restrict gay people based on their gayness.
I knew someone was going to go there and it is absurd.
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2013, 05:46:04 PM
To be honest, I'm not sure if infidelity shouldn't be a concern. If you won't even keep the trust of someone you love, why would you feel beholden to keep the trust of the faceless populace?
I've heard the argument before and find it, as usual, extraordinarily lacking.
QuoteI knew someone was going to go there and it is absurd.
Is it? It's precisely the same sort of thinking.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 16, 2013, 11:44:51 AM
Spitzer was governor...it seems a leap to say that his name recognition in the state is primarily the result of a sex scandal.
Given Spitzer's performance as governor, it would be a leap to say his name recognition came from that.
Quote from: fhdz on July 16, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
I've heard the argument before and find it, as usual, extraordinarily lacking.
Why? I'm not sure why a person willing to betray the confidence of their spouse would be principled enough to uphold the trust of the public.
Quote from: fhdz on July 16, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
Is it? It's precisely the same sort of thinking.
No it isn't, unless you are starting from the premise that being gay is itself a bad thing for an elected office. After all, I'm not taking issue with a person sleeping with prostitutes or sexting (have at it, I say :D) but again back on the trust front. Why shouldn't someone who is willing to backstab their spouse be looked at askance? After all, it isn't impossible to imagine a setup where a husband gets permission from his wife to sleep around (or just sext but nothing more).
Also, I think it'd be another nuance if let's say Spitzer cheated on his wife with a prostitute (aka without her consent - and likewise Weiner and his sexting) but then was unabashed when the public got wind of it. However, that's not what happened as both men felt what they'd done was wrong and made "tearful", ashamed statements. I'm not sure why a voter shouldn't take into consideration that a person has demonstrated that they will do things they think are wrong if they think they can get away with it.
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2013, 01:21:46 PM
Quote from: fhdz on July 16, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
I've heard the argument before and find it, as usual, extraordinarily lacking.
Why? I'm not sure why a person willing to betray the confidence of their spouse would be principled enough to uphold the trust of the public.
Clinton did fine.
QuoteNo it isn't, unless you are starting from the premise that being gay is itself a bad thing for an elected office.
I'm not starting from that premise, but there are lots of folks who do, and it's tied to their feelings about sexual morality.
Quote from: fhdz on July 17, 2013, 02:30:29 PM
Clinton did fine.
POV, of course.
Quote from: fhdz on July 17, 2013, 02:30:29 PM
I'm not starting from that premise, but there are lots of folks who do, and it's tied to their feelings about sexual morality.
Okay? But again that's not where my argument stems from so I don't see how I'm "proponent of this kind of thinking."
Spitzer has the aura of a complete slimeball. He gives me the heebie jeebies.
Quote from: fhdz on July 17, 2013, 02:30:29 PM
Clinton did fine.
Maybe. But I don't think fidelity to his supporters or promises was something he was renowned for :lol:
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 17, 2013, 07:11:09 PM
Maybe. But I don't think fidelity to his supporters or promises was something he was renowned for :lol:
Monica got taken care of. Don't know what the Whitewater crew got for their silence.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 17, 2013, 07:18:39 PM
Monica got taken care of. Don't know what the Whitewater crew got for their silence.
What? :blink:
I meant political supporters (not necessarily constituents, but the Clinton machine's base).
Ah.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 17, 2013, 07:11:09 PM
Quote from: fhdz on July 17, 2013, 02:30:29 PM
Clinton did fine.
Maybe. But I don't think fidelity to his supporters or promises was something he was renowned for :lol:
Is fidelity to campaign promises something that lots of presidents are renowned for?
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2013, 02:34:45 PM
Okay? But again that's not where my argument stems from so I don't see how I'm "proponent of this kind of thinking."
Of course it is. People lie to their significant others all the time about all sorts of things, but you're singling out infidelity.
Quote from: fhdz on July 18, 2013, 12:13:11 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2013, 02:34:45 PM
Okay? But again that's not where my argument stems from so I don't see how I'm "proponent of this kind of thinking."
Of course it is. People lie to their significant others all the time about all sorts of things, but you're singling out infidelity.
Because it is kind of a biggie? Not really the same as saying "Oh honey, I have to work late" and then was actually out for drinks with the guys.
Quote from: fhdz on July 18, 2013, 12:10:33 PM
Is fidelity to campaign promises something that lots of presidents are renowned for?
I think most politicians try. They very rarely openly lie. I don't know that Clinton did much of that either, I just think he was always quite tactical.
But as I say I don't thin that's because he cheated on his wife :lol:
Quote from: The Brain on July 16, 2013, 12:24:33 PM
How many people can name their governor? Unless he's Arnold? Or whatshername?
When you have a staggeringly incompetent and infamously stupid governor like mine, his name is literally on the lips of every resident in the state at least once a day. Usually in unfavorable connection with the intellectual and policy-making superiority of the prior governor, who despite being the evil genius behind the election of every Republican president since Reagan is fondly regarded as ideologically neutral, due to his preference for non-stupid policies.
This is consistent with the hand-wringing moralizing of women on the left, who enjoy the degradation and abuse heaped upon them by male Democrats so long as those male Democrats promise them the right to kill fetuses.
Quote from: Scipio on July 19, 2013, 09:58:47 AM
This is consistent with the hand-wringing moralizing of women on the left, who enjoy the degradation and abuse heaped upon them by male Democrats so long as those male Democrats promise them the right to kill fetuses.
Raz, can you spare some of your meds for Scips?
Yeah he does seem broken.
Quote from: Scipio on July 19, 2013, 09:56:29 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 16, 2013, 12:24:33 PM
How many people can name their governor? Unless he's Arnold? Or whatshername?
When you have a staggeringly incompetent and infamously stupid governor like mine, his name is literally on the lips of every resident in the state at least once a day. Usually in unfavorable connection with the intellectual and policy-making superiority of the prior governor, who despite being the evil genius behind the election of every Republican president since Reagan is fondly regarded as ideologically neutral, due to his preference for non-stupid policies.
Your state sounds like some kind of hellhole. :o
Explicit Exchanges by Weiner After His Resignation
After new leaks today, Weiner admits continuing online sexual contact with other women after he resigned from Congress, including sending pictures of his penis.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/24/nyregion/allegations-surface-of-explicit-exchanges-by-weiner-after-his-resignation.html
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More Weiner leaks :(
The jokes just write themselves with this guy.
This is called "getting ahead of the ball." Or in his case, balls. I look forward to the inevitable, soon-to-be debuted nutsack shots.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 23, 2013, 06:42:46 PM
This is called "getting ahead of the ball." Or in his case, balls. I look forward to the inevitable, soon-to-be debuted nutsack shots.
You're looking forward to photos of some old dude's nutsack?
I look forward to scandal. It's so scandalous.
Needs more naked Huma.
I think we already know what naked skeletons look like.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 23, 2013, 06:52:06 PM
Needs more naked Huma.
Is she a looker? From across the room she looked like she had potential. Can't find a decent photo in the Googlesphere.
She's meh. Looks like the kind that never shuts the fuck up.
Way too big teeth
(I thought I would change up the elbows meme)
The one photo I found made it look like she had a 60 watt light bulb in the middle of her face.
You are a bunch of homos.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 16, 2013, 08:59:24 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 16, 2013, 11:44:51 AM
Spitzer was governor...it seems a leap to say that his name recognition in the state is primarily the result of a sex scandal.
Given Spitzer's performance as governor, it would be a leap to say his name recognition came from that.
His time as NY AG was very memorable--not just in NY but nationally. I don't know if it was when he was governor, or AG, but I posted on the forum that if we had cumulative voting in the US, I would cast them all against Spitzer.
(I know this because when the scandal came out I claimed I had said he was the most dangerous man in America, and when called out as making that up went back to check what I said, and then there was a debate whether I was being honest with the "most dangerous man in America" line :)).
Quote from: alfred russel on July 23, 2013, 08:53:48 PM
(I know this because when the scandal came out I claimed I had said he was the most dangerous man in America, and when called out as making that up went back to check what I said, and then there was a debate whether I was being honest with the "most dangerous man in America" line :)).
Stop being a Wall Street whore. We have enough here as it is.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 16, 2013, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: fhdz on July 16, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
We Americans are very strange about sexual morals determining fitness for public positions.
I don't know. According to the opening post it looks like more people don't care than do, same with the Sanford race. I just think there's a maybe large, loud disapproving minority.
A lot of it is just the carelessness and lack of tact. If you are a high profile politician like a governor, or even just a congressman, don't frequent prostitutes or send out pictures of your penis. It really shouldn't be that hard.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 23, 2013, 08:53:48 PM
His time as NY AG was very memorable--not just in NY but nationally. I don't know if it was when he was governor, or AG, but I posted on the forum that if we had cumulative voting in the US, I would cast them all against Spitzer.
(I know this because when the scandal came out I claimed I had said he was the most dangerous man in America, and when called out as making that up went back to check what I said, and then there was a debate whether I was being honest with the "most dangerous man in America" line :)).
Refresh my memory Fredo.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 23, 2013, 09:01:27 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 16, 2013, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: fhdz on July 16, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
We Americans are very strange about sexual morals determining fitness for public positions.
I don't know. According to the opening post it looks like more people don't care than do, same with the Sanford race. I just think there's a maybe large, loud disapproving minority.
A lot of it is just the carelessness and lack of tact. If you are a high profile politician like a governor, or even just a congressman, don't frequent prostitutes or send out pictures of your penis. It really shouldn't be that hard.
Have you tried not sending pictures of your penis, hard or not? :yeahright:
Quote from: DGuller on July 23, 2013, 09:12:26 PM
Have you tried not sending pictures of your penis, hard or not? :yeahright:
Even though at many times it as been hard, I have avoided doing so.
I do like that Weiner is growing out his Jewfro.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 23, 2013, 09:11:13 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 23, 2013, 08:53:48 PM
His time as NY AG was very memorable--not just in NY but nationally. I don't know if it was when he was governor, or AG, but I posted on the forum that if we had cumulative voting in the US, I would cast them all against Spitzer.
(I know this because when the scandal came out I claimed I had said he was the most dangerous man in America, and when called out as making that up went back to check what I said, and then there was a debate whether I was being honest with the "most dangerous man in America" line :)).
Refresh my memory Fredo.
He was NY AG during the Bush administration. Some parts of the administration were under fire for not bringing more securities enforcement actions during a period of market turmoil.
Because most of the major securities being traded have a presence in NY, he went in a very high profile way after a number of companies. My problem was always the grandstanding that went with it, and the way that he would have well publicized press conferences leveling serious allegations against companies, and then several weeks later quietly drop the allegations.
Anyway I guess Weiner is staying in despite the leaks.
At this point I want Weiner to win precisely to deliver a blow to the idea that only nuns in good standing can run for political office. The more penises of his there are out there, the better, as long as there aren't enough of them to sink his candidacy.
Seriously. I mean, what do people want these days? Marion Barry??
BITCH SET ME UP
Quote from: derspiess on July 23, 2013, 10:14:54 PM
Seriously. I mean, what do people want these days? Marion Barry??
No crackheads please.
Quote from: DGuller on July 23, 2013, 09:57:40 PM
At this point I want Weiner to win precisely to deliver a blow to the idea that only nuns in good standing can run for political office. The more penises of his there are out there, the better, as long as there aren't enough of them to sink his candidacy.
It's true. Why shouldn't we want someone who continued to demonstrate poor impulse control?
I want Weiner to win because he's pretty much demonstrated that if elected he'll be the funniest mayor in NYC history, and to me New York isn't much more than a potential source of amusement. :)
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2013, 08:13:07 AM
I want Weiner to win because he's pretty much demonstrated that if elected he'll be the funniest mayor in NYC history, and to me New York isn't much more than a potential source of amusement. :)
Well that's the other piece, you don't get to be mayor in a background. I'd rather not have someone who city, state, and federal officials (/everyone sensible) take as a joke.
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2013, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2013, 08:13:07 AM
I want Weiner to win because he's pretty much demonstrated that if elected he'll be the funniest mayor in NYC history, and to me New York isn't much more than a potential source of amusement. :)
Well that's the other piece, you don't get to be mayor in a background. I'd rather not have someone who city, state, and federal officials (/everyone sensible) take as a joke.
So not Mark Sanford, then?
My guess is Weiner is just running for office as a way of getting publicity for himself so he can try to get a reality show/write a book/etc. In that case, the real joke is on the dumbasses who are funding his campaign.
Quote from: Syt on July 24, 2013, 08:20:44 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2013, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2013, 08:13:07 AM
I want Weiner to win because he's pretty much demonstrated that if elected he'll be the funniest mayor in NYC history, and to me New York isn't much more than a potential source of amusement. :)
Well that's the other piece, you don't get to be mayor in a background. I'd rather not have someone who city, state, and federal officials (/everyone sensible) take as a joke.
So not Mark Sanford, then?
Yeah I might have issues with government officials who decide to just up and flee the country for a week. :D
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2013, 08:22:55 AM
My guess is Weiner is just running for office as a way of getting publicity for himself so he can try to get a reality show/write a book/etc. In that case, the real joke is on the dumbasses who are funding his campaign.
I think that's a very poor guess. That seat was always his target once Bloomberg decided he bought enough elections. I guess he decided that his setback wasn't fatal for his old ambition.
Quote from: DGuller on July 24, 2013, 08:31:40 AM
Quote from: Caliga on July 24, 2013, 08:22:55 AM
My guess is Weiner is just running for office as a way of getting publicity for himself so he can try to get a reality show/write a book/etc. In that case, the real joke is on the dumbasses who are funding his campaign.
I think that's a very poor guess. That seat was always his target once Bloomberg decided he bought enough elections. I guess he decided that his setback wasn't fatal for his old ambition.
Yeah I think he's serious.
:hmm: Ok.
Just think, once he's mayor, he won't have to settle for shittly little text pics any more - he can use billboards. :D
Quote from: Malthus on July 24, 2013, 08:45:53 AM
Just think, once he's mayor, he won't have to settle for shittly little text pics any more - he can use billboards. :D
Is being mayor that lucrative? Also, as it is New York, some large scale digital vid in Times Square would be more appropriate.
Ok, I just checked. All Weiner has is a BA in political science from SUNY-Plattsburgh, so I guess he is qualified to do nothing other than trying to get elected. I figured he had a JD and so could at least fall back on that. :sleep:
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2013, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 24, 2013, 08:45:53 AM
Just think, once he's mayor, he won't have to settle for shittly little text pics any more - he can use billboards. :D
Is being mayor that lucrative? Also, as it is New York, some large scale digital vid in Times Square would be more appropriate.
Not that he'd have cash, but rather, if he can get elected as mayor of NY even though pretty well everyone in the whole world knows about his "hobby", no more need for secrecy any more is there? ;)
Might as well have a Times Square digital vid. Might be a tourist attraction. :hmm: I hear a rumour CdM is looking forward to seeing his nutsack. :P
Actually I read that Quinn was only down by a few percentage points. Not bad for a lesbian who clearly care mostly about Manhattan.
Also, I think he should be required to run as Carlos Danger.
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2013, 09:49:22 AM
Also, I think he should be required to run as Carlos Danger.
:lol: You just can't make this shit up.
I guarantee "Carlos Danger" will be the most popular cat name this year. With "Carol Danger" a close 2nd.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 24, 2013, 09:52:33 AM
I guarantee "Carlos Danger" will be the most popular cat name this year.
Is that a thing? :huh:
It could be.
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2013, 09:54:03 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 24, 2013, 09:52:33 AM
I guarantee "Carlos Danger" will be the most popular cat name this year.
Is that a thing? :huh:
If it is, CdM would know. ;)
:lol: I wouldn't be surprised if CdM quietly runs a cat name registry.
:unsure: :ph34r:
"Mewtiful Memories"
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 24, 2013, 11:30:13 AM
"Mewtiful Memories"
Sounds like something for lettuce heads.
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2013, 09:49:22 AM
Also, I think he should be required to run as Carlos Danger.
Quote from: Bill Clinton
If I had a son he would be just like Anthony Weiner.
:lol:
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2013, 09:49:22 AM
Also, I think he should be required to run as Carlos Danger.
He couldn't have picked a more apt name for amusement. Is he running for mayor or for porn king? :D
I would have gone with Dick Zerect.
Why thank you slate:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/low_concept/2013/07/carlos_danger_name_generator_use_our_widget_to_get_a_name_like_anthony_weiner.html
Fabricio Trouble
Silvestre Scourge
Fucking awesome!
Quote from: garbon on July 24, 2013, 12:47:53 PM
Why thank you slate:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/low_concept/2013/07/carlos_danger_name_generator_use_our_widget_to_get_a_name_like_anthony_weiner.html
Fabricio Trouble
Carlos Clandestine
Alejandro Calamity :cool:
Alberto Scourge
QuoteCorrection, July 23, 2013: An earlier version of the Carlos Danger Name Generator suggested incorrectly that the Carlos Danger Name for Anthony Weiner is Armando Catastrophe. The Carlos Danger Name for Anthony Weiner is Carlos Danger.
Julio Cesar Kill
Meh.
Xerxes Furious
Hammurabi Smooth
Anyway, I think we can all agree that it's time for Weiner to pull out of the erection.
May have to look and see who the GOP is running after all.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 25, 2013, 10:23:01 AM
May have to look and see who the GOP is running after all.
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And then that former MTA guy. :(
Give Bloomberg a 4th term.
:mellow:
Can NYC really not find anyone better than these jokers?
Quote from: Caliga on July 25, 2013, 10:46:29 AM
:mellow:
Can NYC really not find anyone better than these jokers?
Well Christine Quinn doesn't seem that bad.
On a different note though, I don't know why anyone would want to be mayor of NYC unless you are an independently wealthy billionaire looking for a real life sim city hobby.
Quote from: Caliga on July 25, 2013, 10:46:29 AM
:mellow:
Can NYC really not find anyone better than these jokers?
fugetaboutit
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 10:28:03 AM
And then that former MTA guy. :(
Joe Lhota? He's not too bad.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on July 25, 2013, 10:50:47 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 10:28:03 AM
And then that former MTA guy. :(
Joe Lhota? He's not too bad.
Yep. Hardly an inspiring choice but sure better than electing Weiner.
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 10:48:46 AM
On a different note though, I don't know why anyone would want to be mayor of NYC unless you are an independently wealthy billionaire looking for a real life sim city hobby.
It would be cool if that were really true. :)
I tire of Manhattan. I'm going to bulldoze the entire island and replace it with factories.
Anyone running for office has too much of their private lives too visible, though what he was doing is beyond the pale really. Now I think Weiner should just go away. I could have gotten past his first indiscretions, if he could get help and move past it. But he seems entrenched in it and frankly pretty stupid about it and unlikeable as well. And is wife standing up for him so strongly. What's that all about? How come feminists aren't all over this guy and his indiscretions towards women? Or maybe they are and I haven't been paying attention. He's a one man war on womyn! ;)
Quote from: KRonn on July 25, 2013, 12:42:06 PM
How come feminists aren't all over this guy and his indiscretions towards women? Or maybe they are and I haven't been paying attention. He's a one man war on womyn! ;)
Is he though? Apart from his wife, who says she's fine, did he really hurt any of them women who voluntarily sexted with him?
I mean I know that I'd posted that article about how many had had their lives ruined but that was down more to the media and them becoming public figures than Weiner being sexist.
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 01:11:03 PM
Is he though? Apart from his wife, who says she's fine, did he really hurt any of them women who voluntarily sexted with him?
Yes, he did. :mad: Penises should be felt, not seen.
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: KRonn on July 25, 2013, 12:42:06 PM
How come feminists aren't all over this guy and his indiscretions towards women? Or maybe they are and I haven't been paying attention. He's a one man war on womyn! ;)
Is he though? Apart from his wife, who says she's fine, did he really hurt any of them women who voluntarily sexted with him?
I mean I know that I'd posted that article about how many had had their lives ruined but that was down more to the media and them becoming public figures than Weiner being sexist.
Aside from any other reasons, his wife is probably also standing by him because he has a chance at a powerful political job. She has a significant job in the State Dept. and certainly wants to help tamp this down. Damage control.
He's sending nude pics of his body and private parts to women. I'm surprised that it doesn't cross the line to illegal activity, or is he sending this stuff just to women he knows and who are ok with it, except for them being in the news?
Quote from: KRonn on July 25, 2013, 01:27:38 PM
He's sending nude pics of his body and private parts to women. I'm surprised that it doesn't cross the line to illegal activity, or is he sending this stuff just to women he knows and who are ok with it, except for them being in the news?
By all accounts he met them/conversed on various profile sites and hence "Carlos Danger". Nothing illegal about sending photos to willing recipients.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/anthony-weiner-sex-scandal-texts-94749.html#ixzz2a4mESBRJ
QuoteMayoral candidate Anthony Weiner said Thursday that he may have engaged in online sexual relationships with up to three women since resigning from Congress in 2011.
"I don't believe I had any more than three," he said when asked at a press conference how many relationships since his resignation were sexual in nature.
He spoke with reporters after volunteering at a soup kitchen in an orthodox Jewish section of Brooklyn, a neighborhood lined with kosher bakeries where many women were wearing long skirts and some men sported black hats.
His comments came several days after a woman alleged that she had a sexually explicit online relationship with him more than a year after the former Democratic congressman stepped down from his seat after accidentally tweeting a lewd picture.
Weiner told reporters Wednesday that he estimated there had been six to 10 women with whom he had virtually engaged in total. He declined to give specifics.
"There were more than — there were a few, I don't have a specific number for you," he said, when pressed on how many women he had engaged. "There were a few. I said at the time of my resignation there have been six; I don't think in total there are any more."
Please do keep digging. :menace:
Sydney Leathers, publicly identified herself for the first time in an interview with “Inside Edition,” a television show, which released excerpts from the conversation. “I’m disgusted by him,” she told the show. “He’s not who I thought he was.”
During the interview, Ms. Leathers was asked whether she told Mr. Weiner that she loved him. “Yes,” she replied. Asked if Mr. Weiner had said he loved her, she replied, “Yes.”
Asked what advice she would now give Mr. Weiner, she said, “Stop lying, stop embarrassing his wife and get help.”
...
Mr. Weiner, in a news conference at a Brooklyn soup kitchen, said that in total, he had traded lewd messages with 6 to 10 women, including during the time he was a United States representative. But, he added, “I can’t tell you absolutely what someone else is going to consider inappropriate or not.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/26/nyregion/weiner-admits-more-online-exchanges-with-women-after-quitting-house.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/26/nyregion/weiner-admits-more-online-exchanges-with-women-after-quitting-house.html)
If Ms. Leathers cannot trust Weiner, what does that say?
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Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: KRonn on July 25, 2013, 01:27:38 PM
He's sending nude pics of his body and private parts to women. I'm surprised that it doesn't cross the line to illegal activity, or is he sending this stuff just to women he knows and who are ok with it, except for them being in the news?
By all accounts he met them/conversed on various profile sites and hence "Carlos Danger". Nothing illegal about sending photos to willing recipients.
Agreed.
Ms. Leathers is an idiot.
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 02:16:57 PM
Ms. Leathers is an idiot.
An idiot with a hot ass. :)
Quote from: Caliga on July 25, 2013, 02:42:39 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 02:16:57 PM
Ms. Leathers is an idiot.
An idiot with a hot ass. :)
Here is the real reason Cal sees no value in IQ tests. There is no correlation at all with hot asses.
Saw the pics of Weiner's weiner and was like.
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KRonn - for you buddy
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/24/opinion/bloom-huma-political-wives/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook
QuoteIsn't it time to call the spectacle of the suffering political wife, standing by her man in the media glare as he admits to his latest sexual offense against her, what it really is: spousal abuse?
Quote from: KRonn on July 25, 2013, 01:27:38 PM
Aside from any other reasons, his wife is probably also standing by him because he has a chance at a powerful political job. She has a significant job in the State Dept. and certainly wants to help tamp this down. Damage control.
He's sending nude pics of his body and private parts to women. I'm surprised that it doesn't cross the line to illegal activity, or is he sending this stuff just to women he knows and who are ok with it, except for them being in the news?
Now, now, now...let's knock it off with the cynical "ZOMG WIFE IS POWAH HUNGRY HORE" stuff, already. It's not like it was adultery, either. Even the most scorned wife would concede that hot chat is a distant second to dipping your wick in every honey pot, and only they know the dynamics of their relationship.
Besides, they have a newborn infant. That's entering into the matrix more so than if the kid was 14 or something.
Compare her to Mrs. Spitzer during his press conference confessional. You know a lot of shit got broken in the house that night.
She has all the trappings of a power hungry hoor. Political career, check. Studied at the feet of the master, check.
Carlos needs Snapchat.
I really think we need to either program robots to lead us or appoint a benevolent dictator. Democracy just doesn't work. :(
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 25, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
She has all the trappings of a power hungry hoor. Political career, check. Studied at the feet of the master, check.
Didn't get married until 2010, when she was 33. If anything it was baby fever, not power. She had plenty as it was.
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 05:30:12 PM
Saw the pics of Weiner's weiner and was like.
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Last year, Bloomberg personally asked Clinton to succeed him as Mayor, but she refused.
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 05:38:12 PM
KRonn - for you buddy
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/24/opinion/bloom-huma-political-wives/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook
QuoteIsn't it time to call the spectacle of the suffering political wife, standing by her man in the media glare as he admits to his latest sexual offense against her, what it really is: spousal abuse?
Interesting article which points out how it's an ugly situation all around. Their choice though, to do as they want in their private lives. I was a bit surprised she stayed with him after the first go round though I can understand trying to make things work, resolve things, after an affair or something. But this just seems to be snowballing on him now.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 25, 2013, 06:00:17 PM
Now, now, now...let's knock it off with the cynical "ZOMG WIFE IS POWAH HUNGRY HORE" stuff, already. It's not like it was adultery, either. Even the most scorned wife would concede that hot chat is a distant second to dipping your wick in every honey pot, and only they know the dynamics of their relationship.
Besides, they have a newborn infant. That's entering into the matrix more so than if the kid was 14 or something.
:lol: Don't ever change.
For somebody who's so into "family values", I would think you'd be on board with her playing the loyal and dutiful wife. OH WAIT SHES A DEMOCRAT NEVER MIND SHES A POWER HUNGRY WHORE
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 26, 2013, 09:41:26 AM
For somebody who's so into "family values", I would think you'd be on board with her playing the loyal and dutiful wife. OH WAIT SHES A DEMOCRAT NEVER MIND SHES A POWER HUNGRY WHORE
Husband is a creep...therefore attack the wife? Weird. She didn't do anything wrong that we know about.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 26, 2013, 09:41:26 AM
For somebody who's so into "family values", I would think you'd be on board with her playing the loyal and dutiful wife. OH WAIT SHES A DEMOCRAT NEVER MIND SHES A POWER HUNGRY WHORE
I don't give two shits what she does. I just think it's funny how people are falling over themselves to praise her for staying with such a weird-ass creep. I guess if it's a fake marriage to begin with, you might as well keep up the charade. She learned from the best, after all.
One cannot underestimate the sheer animal magnetism of Carlos Danger.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 26, 2013, 09:57:19 AM
One cannot underestimate the sheer animal magnetism of Carlos Danger.
He's an awfully good-looking guy, I must admit.
Quote from: derspiess on July 26, 2013, 09:57:56 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 26, 2013, 09:57:19 AM
One cannot underestimate the sheer animal magnetism of Carlos Danger.
He's an awfully good-looking guy, I must admit.
:lol:
When I first heard of "Carlos Danger" it sounded vaguely familiar. Couldn't put my finger on it, so to speak, until this morning:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdcSxM7XNG4
The headlines have been amusing lately.
"Weiner vows not to pull out"
"Weiner softens in new poll"
"Weiner staff shrinks!"
"Weiner's Candidacy Droops"
The question is: can he still manage to get his massage out to the pubic?
Looks like this latest Weiner exposure is going to be fatal. :(
What is up with this spot from him? He seems to elude to things like New Yorkers being tough in the face of adversity. Him having to stand up in response to dick pics he sent is similar? :yeahright:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jacobfischler/anthony-weiner-i-wont-drop-out-because-quit-isnt-the-way-we
Quote from: Caliga on July 25, 2013, 02:42:39 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 02:16:57 PM
Ms. Leathers is an idiot.
An idiot with a hot ass. :)
Make that an idiot with a hot ass who just did a porno. :perv:
Nasty, put some clothes on.
Yeah, pretty damned nasty. I made the mistake of clicking on that photo shoot she did on the beach for whatever tabloid that was. :bleeding:
Oh wow.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cringe-anthony-weiner-faked-a-caribbean-accent-to-pander-for-votes-2013-9
HEY MON!
Carlos Danger Saint Jock.
It looks like de Blasio and his mixed race family might win the day; leading by double-digits.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2013/other/ny/new_york_city_mayor_democratic_primary-3741.html
Quote from: Phillip V on September 03, 2013, 10:15:59 PM
It looks like de Blasio and his mixed race family might win the day; leading by double-digits.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2013/other/ny/new_york_city_mayor_democratic_primary-3741.html
Ugh. And ugh on the fact that most of his proposals seem to revolve around make the rich pay for it. Not so sure how his mayoralty would play out with the notion of redistribute wealth from Manhattan.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/09/04/watch-anthony-weiner-hit-rock-bottom-video/
QuoteWatch Anthony Weiner hit rock bottom
Just when it looked as if things couldn't get any worse for Weiner, who clocked in with 7 percent support in the latest poll of the New York City mayor's race, they did just that when video surfaced Wednesday of Weiner engaging another man in a heated argument.
Exiting a bakery, a confrontational Weiner doubled back to engage a man who had criticized him.
"What's that? You wait until I walk out to say anything. That's courage," snapped Weiner.
And that was just the beginning.
The man tells Weiner his behavior has been "deviant."
"And you're perfect? You're going to judge me?" responded Weiner.
"I'm not running for office," the man replied.
"Your ignorance is being shown to the entire world," Weiner said toward the end of the exchange, captured by blogger Jacob Kornbluth.
Afterward, Weiner, who is Jewish, was asked whether he will forgive the man — who was wearing a yarmulke — since it is the eve of the Jewish new year, Rosh Hashanah.
"Of course, of course, I don't hold it against him," Weiner said.
Is there anything about confronting a politician inside the bakery that requires extra courage? :unsure:
Hot Cross Buns
Quote from: Phillip V on September 03, 2013, 10:15:59 PM
It looks like de Blasio and his mixed race family might win the day; leading by double-digits.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2013/other/ny/new_york_city_mayor_democratic_primary-3741.html
:yeah:
garbon, please.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 04, 2013, 03:11:10 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 03, 2013, 10:15:59 PM
It looks like de Blasio and his mixed race family might win the day; leading by double-digits.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2013/other/ny/new_york_city_mayor_democratic_primary-3741.html
:yeah:
garbon, please.
Please, what?
Anyway, I can't vote in Dem primary. :weep:
The reaction to de Blasio's very modest tax proposal has been so over the top it says a lot more about the odd mentality of the super-rich than anything else. It isn't enough to just say that it isn't good policy. It is "offensive"; it "lacks sensitivity". All over a 0.5% increase. That kind of nonsense wakes my inner Ideologue.
I don't think I said it was offensive or lacks sensitivity. :mellow:
I believe I was getting at the general caricature of him that he wants the rich to pay more for things and whether that will work well on Manhattan.
I read the brief bit of the policies outlined by Quinn and de Blasio in that newsletter they sent out to let people know about all the candidates. De Blasio's plans sounded more like Obama's whereas Quinn's seemed to have at least some concrete basis in reality. Weiner's bit was just ridiculous with exact figures and line item policies being listed. :D
Quote from: garbon on September 04, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
I don't think I said it was offensive or lacks sensitivity. :mellow:
I wasn't referring to you, but to the story today about the NYC CEO group in hysterics about a tiny tax increase.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 04, 2013, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 04, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
I don't think I said it was offensive or lacks sensitivity. :mellow:
I wasn't referring to you, but to the story today about the NYC CEO group in hysterics about a tiny tax increase.
.05% of what they make isnt tiny :D
Quote from: garbon on September 04, 2013, 04:35:32 PM
I read the brief bit of the policies outlined by Quinn and de Blasio in that newsletter they sent out to let people know about all the candidates. De Blasio's plans sounded more like Obama's whereas Quinn's seemed to have at least some concrete basis in reality. Weiner's bit was just ridiculous with exact figures and line item policies being listed. :D
Looks like Quinn hit a ceiling because there is a solid core of primary voters that will never forgive her for dealing with Bloomberg on the 3rd term. I still don't really have a good idea what she would plan to do differently as mayor.
The reality garbon is that on the NYC political spectrum you are a Republican.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 04, 2013, 05:26:45 PM
Looks like Quinn hit a ceiling because there is a solid core of primary voters that will never forgive her for dealing with Bloomberg on the 3rd term. I still don't really have a good idea what she would plan to do differently as mayor.
That /she's a bit too pragmatic. She doesn't make the right pie-in-the-sky promises or appeals to the working class. Hard to do as a representative on the west side of Manhattan. Personally, I like her as I think the city is going in the right direction and don't want radical changes.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 04, 2013, 05:26:45 PM
The reality garbon is that on the NYC political spectrum you are a Republican.
And I'm registered as one. :)
Downside is that I won't vote in the primaries as I can't really be bothered to show up to vote for Lhota over "Cats".
So, New Yorkers, is there anyone sane running this time? Haven't really followed the race. Did any more penises pop up anywhere?
Quote from: garbon on September 04, 2013, 05:32:12 PM
She doesn't make the right pie-in-the-sky promises or appeals to the working class.
As far as I can tell she isn't making any promises at all - just launching streams of content-less verbiage about "empowering" "engaging" etc.
Take one example I picked completely at random:
Quote•Encourage domestic companies to bring American jobs back onshore. Over the past few decades, New York and the United States have seen a loss of jobs to less expensive international labor markets. However, many American companies are looking to move some of their outsourced jobs back to the United States. Chris believes we can bring many of these jobs to the City, creating new job openings for New Yorkers. Many of these positions will require specific types of training, which makes the size and quality of our workforce a major asset.
If i want a politician who will achieve results through the sheer power of belief, I would vote tea party.
Quote from: DGuller on September 04, 2013, 05:42:27 PM
So, New Yorkers, is there anyone sane running this time? Haven't really followed the race. Did any more penises pop up anywhere?
Don't be a dick.
"Many of these positions will require specific types of training, which makes the size and quality of our workforce a major asset."
:lol:
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 04, 2013, 06:23:57 PM
"Many of these positions will require specific types of training, which makes the size and quality of our workforce a major asset."
:lol:
Hard to argue with that.
I myself have hired people with specific types of training, even outside of New York.
Quote from: DGuller on September 04, 2013, 05:42:27 PM
So, New Yorkers, is there anyone sane running this time? Haven't really followed the race. Did any more penises pop up anywhere?
Well, Ms. Leathers has now done a full-hardcore XXX movie, so yes. :) It's called "Weiner and Me". I don't recommend trying to do a Google image search for that if you are put off by gay porn, though. :sleep:
Oh yeah, and the dude who she banged in that porno? It turns out a few weeks back he banged another porn star who was recently diagnosed with HIV. OOPSIE
Quote from: Caliga on September 04, 2013, 08:18:41 PM
Oh yeah, and the dude who she banged in that porno? It turns out a few weeks back he banged another porn star who was recently diagnosed with HIV. OOPSIE
Ya know, it's not like condoms really take that much from the average porn. If it's not creampie, keep a lid on it. If it is, test after each scene. It's almost like porn actors are idiots who are hard up for cash or something. :hmm:
Luckily, the porn I like doesn't usually require condoms.
Gloves, sure. But that's to be expected when using a variety of solvents.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 04, 2013, 08:57:01 PM
It's almost like porn actors are idiots who are hard up for cash or something. :hmm:
...almost like... yeah... :D
Oh, she also got a nosejob, tit implants, and fat sucked out of her tummy. I don't think she looks that different other than bigger tits:
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I think she should get rid of that dumb diamond stud between her nose and mouth, too.
:yuk:
I don't know why but for some reason I would like to see her getting pounded. I may pirate her porno. :cool:
For the same reason I want to see the Octomom porno, but not as bad since she's just wacking off in it.
Quote from: Caliga on September 06, 2013, 07:47:31 PM
I don't know why but for some reason I would like to see her getting pounded. I may pirate her porno. :cool:
For the same reason I want to see the Octomom porno, but not as bad since she's just wacking off in it.
It's not actually that bad, but it's also not that good either. I looked it up as soon as this came up. Also, they stuck some
ridiculous super-long fake lashes on her. I'd rather not get poked in the eye while doing it missionary-style, kthx.
:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 06, 2013, 08:35:21 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 06, 2013, 07:47:31 PM
I don't know why but for some reason I would like to see her getting pounded. I may pirate her porno. :cool:
For the same reason I want to see the Octomom porno, but not as bad since she's just wacking off in it.
It's not actually that bad, but it's also not that good either. I looked it up as soon as this came up. Also, they stuck some ridiculous super-long fake lashes on her. I'd rather not get poked in the eye while doing it missionary-style, kthx.
How was the rum and sodomy?
Bloomberg Calls de Blasio’s Campaign ‘Racist’
Mr. Bloomberg said that he considered it racist of Mr. de Blasio to promote his mixed-race family. Mr. de Blasio’s wife, Chirlane McCray, is African-American and their teenage son, Dante, has appeared in his father’s campaign ads.
Asked what was racist about the campaign, Mr. Bloomberg said: “I mean he’s making an appeal using his family to gain support. I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone watching what he’s been doing.”
At an appearance in Brooklyn on Saturday with his wife and daughter, Chiara, 18, Mr. de Blasio called Mr. Bloomberg’s remarks, “very, very unfortunate and inappropriate.”
“I’m exceedingly proud of my family,” he added. “I hope the mayor will reconsider what he said. I hope he realizes it was inappropriate.”
Mr. Bloomberg added that he did not think that Mr. de Blasio was a racist. But he said, “It’s comparable to me pointing out that I’m Jewish in attracting the Jewish vote.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/nyregion/bloomberg-says-de-blasio-has-run-a-racist-campaign.html
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New Yorkers, is this an accurate summary of the candidates' policies? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/14/ignore-anthony-weiner-heres-what-matters-in-the-nyc-mayors-race/ If so, then I think you guys are in trouble.
I wonder how long it'll be before de Blasio scales the Empire State Building and starts swatting at planes.
Oh New York. :D
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-Mayoral-Primary-Day-Results-Comptroller-Elections-Vote-223038641.html
QuoteWild NYC Mayoral Primary Winds Down, Scattered Voting Problems Reported
New York's topsy-turvy mayoral primary campaign is winding down, with an array of Democratic and Republican candidates making their last appeals to voters, ending the first phase of a long, impassioned, polarizing and sometimes comical race.
Balloting ends at 9 p.m. But the winners of the two primary battles may not be known for quite a while. Find your polling place here.
The Democrats have a front-runner, Public Advocate Bill de Blasio, but it isn't clear whether he'll win the 40 percent of votes to avoid a runoff. If he doesn't hit that mark, the competition for the second runoff spot is tight: de Blasio's two closest rivals, former Comptroller Bill Thompson and City Council Speaker Christine Quinn, have been running in a statistical tie for second in recent polls.
On the Republican side, former MTA Chairman Joseph Lhota has held a significant lead over billionaire businessman John Catsimatidis, but Catsimatidis' last-minute barrage of television ads could close the gap.
Adding to the potential for election night delays are widespread reports of problems with the city's 1960s-era lever-operated voting machines, rushed back into use after the Board of Elections warned they couldn't certify results from the city's new electronic machines in time for a runoff.
All over the city, voters reported encountering jammed or broken machines, causing longer lines at the working machines, and forcing many people to have to fill out paper ballots. The reliance on paper ballots has heightened concerns that every vote gets counted, which could lead to a long wait for results.
Lhota was among those who had to vote by pen and paper, at his voting place, Congregation of Mount Sinai in Brooklyn Heights.
"It may be a long night based on the fact that, at least in my election district, the machines weren't working," Lhota told reporters.
Of the 3 million or so registered Democrats, less than a third are expected to cast ballots. There are fewer than 500,000 registered Republicans in the city, but a small fraction, maybe a tenth, are expected to vote in the primary.
This year is arguably the Democrats' best shot in decades to take the mayor's office from the GOP, which has won each of the last five elections. Bloomberg switched from the GOP to an independent while in office.
Primary day arrived with de Blasio completing a steady, summer-long rise from the middle of the pack, portraying himself as the most progressive of the candidates and pounding at the city's economic inequalities and offering the cleanest break from the policies – particularly stop and frisk -- of three-term Mayor Bloomberg. He also benefited from campaign advertisements that featured his black wife and mixed-race children, notably his teenage Afro-wearing son, Dante.
De Blasio's surge left Quinn, the one-time front-runner, fighting for her political life. Aiming to be the first openly gay mayor, and the first woman to hold the office, Quinn is the most politically powerful of the candidates. She said Tuesday that she was confident she'd make a runoff.
She is the one responsible for making council deals and negotiating with Bloomberg, but that record has dogged her for much of the campaign. De Blasio accused her of making backroom deals with the mayor, and for backing his bid to change city law to allow him to run for a third term. Quinn pointed out that de Blasio, as a council candidate, once spoke in favor of overturning term limits, but that argument did not seem to hold much traction. It is as if she is burdened with many of the negatives associated with the sitting mayor, and little of the positives.
Post-vote surveys provided some insight into that divide. Only 22 percent of Democrats told an Edison Research/Marist exit poll that they wanted a candidate who would continue Bloomberg's policies, while 73 percent said they wanted the next mayor to move the city in a different direction. The ongoing survey, which at that point had included about 500 voters, has a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.
Asked to choose what issue mattered most to them in deciding who should be mayor, 30 percent said jobs and unemployment, 20 percent said education, 16 percent said crime, 12 percent said the city's finances and 11 percent said housing.
Thompson, who won the Democratic primary in 2009 before narrowly losing to Bloomberg, has run a cautious but steady campaign, remaining in second or third place for most of the race. The race's only black candidate, Thompson spent primary day wrapping up another of his 24-hour campaign marathons, which ended with his proclamation that he felt "energized."
The primary could turn out to be the end of former New York Rep. Anthony Weiner's political career. Weiner has longed for the mayor's office, and has been derailed twice before, in 2005 and 2009. In 2011, he resigned from Congress amid revelations that he'd sexted with women, but chose the 2013 mayoral primary to try for redemption.
Weiner enjoyed an early spike in the polls, and sparked an avalanche of late-night talk-show jokes. Then things turned dark again, when he was forced to admit that he'd continued online relationships with women after his resignation. He's been near the cellar ever since.
The only major Democratic candidate to consistently poll worse than Weiner is Comptroller John Liu, who has been dogged by a federal investigation into fundraising improprieties.
De Blasio, the one candidate who seems in a position to potentially win the primary outright, said he wasn't expecting that to happen. To assume otherwise would be folly, he said.
That was why, he said, he'd be up and campaigning again on Wednesday.
I have full faith that Weiner can still pull it out.
I don't think so. His support has been softening.
I see that exit polling has de Blasio in the lead with voters saying they want change. Great, more hope and change.
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:15:06 PM
I see that exit polling has de Blasio in the lead with voters saying they want change. Great, more hope and change.
I'm sure he would prove to be more effective than Obama, though. :console:
I hope so. :cry:
Well it is no guarantee yet that De Blasio will be the Democratic mayoral candidate, let alone elected mayor. He needs 40% tonight to avoid a runoff. And in a runoff, it is not yet clear whether his challenger will be Thompson or Quinn.
I think Bloomberg should just go ahead and take the crown away from the Pope during his coronation, and give himself at least 2 more terms. You know he wants to anyway.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
Well it is no guarantee yet that De Blasio will be the Democratic mayoral candidate, let alone elected mayor. He needs 40% tonight to avoid a runoff. And in a runoff, it is not yet clear whether his challenger will be Thompson or Quinn.
True. That said if he is the Dem nominee, would he really lose to John "Cats" or Lhota? I mean who gets excited about Lhota? I think MTA and immediately think DEMON SPAWN. :blush:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 09:35:33 PM
I think Bloomberg should just go ahead and take the crown away from the Pope during his coronation, and give himself at least 2 more terms. You know he wants to anyway.
I'd like that too.
I mean, honestly, would New Yorkers really mind? Sure, the occasional stop-and-frisk-anything-larger-than-16oz aside, I think he's been doing swell.
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
Well it is no guarantee yet that De Blasio will be the Democratic mayoral candidate, let alone elected mayor. He needs 40% tonight to avoid a runoff. And in a runoff, it is not yet clear whether his challenger will be Thompson or Quinn.
True. That said if he is the Dem nominee, would he really lose to John "Cats" or Lhota? I mean who gets excited about Lhota? I think MTA and immediately think DEMON SPAWN. :blush:
At least Lhota would make the trains run on time. :hmm: Actually, scratch that.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 09:37:52 PM
I mean, honestly, would New Yorkers really mind? Sure, the occasional stop-and-frisk-anything-larger-than-16oz aside, I think he's been doing swell.
That's why I wish Quinn had kept her momentum. The boat needs no rocking.
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
Well it is no guarantee yet that De Blasio will be the Democratic mayoral candidate, let alone elected mayor. He needs 40% tonight to avoid a runoff. And in a runoff, it is not yet clear whether his challenger will be Thompson or Quinn.
True. That said if he is the Dem nominee, would he really lose to John "Cats" or Lhota? I mean who gets excited about Lhota? I think MTA and immediately think DEMON SPAWN. :blush:
At least Lhota would make the trains run on time. :hmm: Actually, scratch that.
Did they run on time when he was overseeing them?
For now, we can reasonably hope that tonight is the final end of Spitzer/Weiner's political careers.
Apparently Lhota is the Repub candidate for November.
Cincy also had their mayoral primary today. It's basically between to nearly-indistinguishable Democrats. If I still lived within the city limits, I'd vote for the broad-- she supports continuing the streetcar project, which I initially sort of opposed, but we've got enough sunk cost in it right now to where we might as well plod forward.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 09:58:42 PM
For now, we can reasonably hope that tonight is the final end of Spitzer/Weiner's political careers.
I'm not so sure. The guy is pathological.
Wiener will eventually get an MSNBC show.
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
Well it is no guarantee yet that De Blasio will be the Democratic mayoral candidate, let alone elected mayor. He needs 40% tonight to avoid a runoff. And in a runoff, it is not yet clear whether his challenger will be Thompson or Quinn.
True. That said if he is the Dem nominee, would he really lose to John "Cats" or Lhota? I mean who gets excited about Lhota? I think MTA and immediately think DEMON SPAWN. :blush:
A quick look through Lhota's Wikipedia page showed nothing crazy; just a professionally successful middle-aged neutral-looking white guy.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
Well it is no guarantee yet that De Blasio will be the Democratic mayoral candidate, let alone elected mayor. He needs 40% tonight to avoid a runoff. And in a runoff, it is not yet clear whether his challenger will be Thompson or Quinn.
True. That said if he is the Dem nominee, would he really lose to John "Cats" or Lhota? I mean who gets excited about Lhota? I think MTA and immediately think DEMON SPAWN. :blush:
A quick look through his Wikipedia page showed nothing crazy; just a professionally successful middle-aged neutral-looking white guy.
From what I've read, his economic policies are populism at its worst. None of the candidates are promising, but De Blasio seems like the worst of the lot.
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:40:28 PM
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Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
Well it is no guarantee yet that De Blasio will be the Democratic mayoral candidate, let alone elected mayor. He needs 40% tonight to avoid a runoff. And in a runoff, it is not yet clear whether his challenger will be Thompson or Quinn.
True. That said if he is the Dem nominee, would he really lose to John "Cats" or Lhota? I mean who gets excited about Lhota? I think MTA and immediately think DEMON SPAWN. :blush:
A quick look through his Wikipedia page showed nothing crazy; just a professionally successful middle-aged neutral-looking white guy.
From what I've read, his economic policies are populism at its worst. None of the candidates are promising, but De Blasio seems like the worst of the lot.
I mean I think he will end up a lot like Obama with little to none of what he's been saying getting done. He might make the right noises but the machinery in the city will end up blocking it.
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
Well it is no guarantee yet that De Blasio will be the Democratic mayoral candidate, let alone elected mayor. He needs 40% tonight to avoid a runoff. And in a runoff, it is not yet clear whether his challenger will be Thompson or Quinn.
True. That said if he is the Dem nominee, would he really lose to John "Cats" or Lhota? I mean who gets excited about Lhota? I think MTA and immediately think DEMON SPAWN. :blush:
A quick look through his Wikipedia page showed nothing crazy; just a professionally successful middle-aged neutral-looking white guy.
From what I've read, his economic policies are populism at its worst. None of the candidates are promising, but De Blasio seems like the worst of the lot.
Oops. I was referring to the Republican nominee Lhota.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 10, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on September 10, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
Well it is no guarantee yet that De Blasio will be the Democratic mayoral candidate, let alone elected mayor. He needs 40% tonight to avoid a runoff. And in a runoff, it is not yet clear whether his challenger will be Thompson or Quinn.
True. That said if he is the Dem nominee, would he really lose to John "Cats" or Lhota? I mean who gets excited about Lhota? I think MTA and immediately think DEMON SPAWN. :blush:
A quick look through his Wikipedia page showed nothing crazy; just a professionally successful middle-aged neutral-looking white guy.
From what I've read, his economic policies are populism at its worst. None of the candidates are promising, but De Blasio seems like the worst of the lot.
Oops. I was referring to the Republican nominee Lhota.
Oh well yeah, he's Blandy McBland.
I wonder if Weiner's campaign implosion cost Spitzer the few percentage points and more that could have gave the ex-governor a victory tonight. Then again, it seemed that Spitzer had only jumped into the comptroller race after he saw Weiner's initial campaign success, so the bonus/malus was part of the gamble.
Ugh, I didn't know that de Blasio's campaign slogan was Tale of Two Cities. Time to get excited about Lhota. :cry:
Quote from: garbon on September 11, 2013, 08:22:25 AM
Ugh, I didn't know that de Blasio's campaign slogan was Tale of Two Cities. Time to get excited about Lhota. :cry:
Reminds me of "Two Americas" :bleeding:
Weiner's former sexting pal tried to crash his concession speech last night. :lol:
Quote from: Caliga on September 11, 2013, 08:23:51 AM
Weiner's former sexting pal tried to crash his concession speech last night. :lol:
It succeeded. He ran off thru a MickyD.
Did he give his concession speech at McDonald's? :(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 09:35:33 PM
I think Bloomberg should just go ahead and take the crown away from the Pope during his coronation, and give himself at least 2 more terms. You know he wants to anyway.
Does the election take place on 18 Brumaire? :ph34r:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 09:37:52 PM
I mean, honestly, would New Yorkers really mind? Sure, the occasional stop-and-frisk-anything-larger-than-16oz aside, I think he's been doing swell.
He's gone bananas Woody Allen style in the third term. The executive order to wear underwear on the outside is going to be issued any moment. I thought the third term was a good idea at the time as well but the act has gotten very tired.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 11, 2013, 09:14:45 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 10, 2013, 09:37:52 PM
I mean, honestly, would New Yorkers really mind? Sure, the occasional stop-and-frisk-anything-larger-than-16oz aside, I think he's been doing swell.
He's gone bananas Woody Allen style in the third term. The executive order to wear underwear on the outside is going to be issued any moment. I thought the third term was a good idea at the time as well but the act has gotten very tired.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:40:28 PM
From what I've read, his economic policies are populism at its worst.
This is a sign of how far the political center has moved to the right - that any attempt to suggest that the some part of the vast sums of corporate "business development" subsidies be allocated instead to those in need is rank populism. DeBlasio's platform is the epitome of blandness - the entire thing could be folded into Bill Clinton's 1992 New Democrat platform and no one could tell the difference. The Tale of Two Cities slogan is awful and horribly corny but it does capture a real truth about the city. NYC has become a playground for the superrich, and for the affluent without families. Everyone else must shoehorn themselves into the outer parts of the outer boroughs and endure public education that remains subpar despite years of targeting by Bloomberg.
Who is in favor of liquidating the hipster infestation in Brooklyn?
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 11, 2013, 09:29:39 AM
Who is in favor of liquidating the hipster infestation in Brooklyn?
They are ubiquitous precisely because they can live on 350 square feet of living space, like gay Polish lawyers.
Everyone else is priced out or rich enough for Tribeca.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 11, 2013, 09:27:41 AM
This is a sign of how far the political center has moved to the right - that any attempt to suggest that the some part of the vast sums of corporate "business development" subsidies be allocated instead to those in need is rank populism.
Business development is supposed to generate jobs and tax revenues. Serving dishes of golden goose to those in need sounds very much like short-sighted populism to me.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 11, 2013, 09:27:41 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 10:40:28 PM
From what I've read, his economic policies are populism at its worst.
This is a sign of how far the political center has moved to the right - that any attempt to suggest that the some part of the vast sums of corporate "business development" subsidies be allocated instead to those in need is rank populism. DeBlasio's platform is the epitome of blandness - the entire thing could be folded into Bill Clinton's 1992 New Democrat platform and no one could tell the difference. The Tale of Two Cities slogan is awful and horribly corny but it does capture a real truth about the city. NYC has become a playground for the superrich, and for the affluent without families. Everyone else must shoehorn themselves into the outer parts of the outer boroughs and endure public education that remains subpar despite years of targeting by Bloomberg.
I was talking about things like rent control. Well-meaning, but utterly insane, policy. I don't remember the details, but when I read the quick summary of positions, pretty much every economic idea of his reeked of the worst liberals have to offer: well-meaning ideas that have been historically discredited. Mind you, the other Democrats weren't much better, but he was the worst of the lot.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 11, 2013, 09:32:43 AM
They are ubiquitous precisely because they can live on 350 square feet of living space, like gay Polish lawyers.
I didn't get the impression Marty's apartment was that small.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 11, 2013, 10:18:12 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 11, 2013, 09:27:41 AM
This is a sign of how far the political center has moved to the right - that any attempt to suggest that the some part of the vast sums of corporate "business development" subsidies be allocated instead to those in need is rank populism.
Business development is supposed to generate jobs and tax revenues. Serving dishes of golden goose to those in need sounds very much like short-sighted populism to me.
We agree that jobs are good and serving golden goose to the poor is suboptimal policy.
So suboptimal, but not quite rank populism? :hmm:
I think you missed the point.
I could rephrase your statement as:
Providing critical aid to the poor is supposed to improve human captial and prevent child malnutrition. Serving billions of in sweetheart grants to corporate favorites sounds very much like corruption and corporate welfare to me.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 11, 2013, 11:10:30 AM
I think you missed the point.
I could rephrase your statement as:
Providing critical aid to the poor is supposed to improve human captial and prevent child malnutrition. Serving billions of in sweetheart grants to corporate favorites sounds very much like corruption and corporate welfare to me.
Sure, I'm familiar from my sporadic reading of Mother Jones and The Progressive with the language of the left. Every handout is an investment and every tax break is cronyism.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 11, 2013, 11:26:31 AMSure, I'm familiar from my sporadic reading of Mother Jones and The Progressive with the language of the left. Every handout is an investment and every tax break is cronyism.
:lol:
Isn't that your argument? That handouts to the rich are "investments" and breaks for the poor is "cronyism"?
Surely the Admiral does not really believe that gold-encrusted fowl are actually to be distributed to the roiling proletarian mass?
Quote from: Jacob on September 11, 2013, 11:32:29 AM
:lol:
Isn't that your argument? That handouts to the rich are "investments" and breaks for the poor is "cronyism"?
Close. "Business development," when it is working properly, is supposed to be an investment. It is supposed to lead to increased business activity which generates additional tax revenues for the jurisdiction. Calling it a handout is total doublespeak. It completely ignores the fact that the recipient of business development tax breaks and soft loans are putting up their own money to acquire property and to hire your residents.
As with
any use of public funds business development has the potential for corruption, conflict of interest, kickbacks, etc. The intellectual dishonesty of the progressive left is to tar any and all business incentives with the corruption brush regardless of its existence in indvidual cases or not.
Handouts to the poor are not cronyism because presumably this dude proposing them does not personally know JaQuilla in the South Bronx. Can transfer payments achieve a return on investment? Concievably. But the intellectual dishonesty here is to just call it an investment and ignore whether the current payment generates returns or not.
Spending money now to make more money in the future: investment.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 11, 2013, 10:18:12 AM
Serving dishes of golden goose to those in need sounds very much like short-sighted populism to me.
Dude, it's just something you say in order to get votes. You don't have to actually deliver on promises to the poor, and when they call you out on it in the next campaign cycle, just blame the Republicans. :)
For the free market right, the default assumption should be that "business development" will not work, properly or otherwise. Any effort by the government to tilt the playing field towards some firms - whether in the form of direct subsidies, tax credits or otherwise - is a distortion of market outcomes. And because of the advantages of preferential treatment on the one hand, and the disadvantage to competitors who do not receive equivalent benefits, it creates incentives for business to lobby heavily to steer funds in their direction (and thus indirectly to increase the pie of benefits provided). One can assume perfect honesty and zero corruption by city and state officials and yet still conclude that such a practice is likely to result in wasteful expenditure and market distortion.
Where did Mother Joans go? :P
I agree about the pitfalls; I think I already stated as much. Disagree that the default assumption should be that BD will not work. The only thing required for it to work is that the NPV of future tax revenues under the BD regime is greater than that under a BD-free regime.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 11, 2013, 12:49:13 PM
The only thing required for it to work is that the NPV of future tax revenues under the BD regime is greater than that under a BD-free regime.
That is so if and only if the sole determinant of success is maximizing the tax haul. A questionable sole criterion.
As a matter of fact I also think it unlikely to satisfied in many cases.
New York mag devoted all of next week's issue to articles on Bloomberg and what New York is like now compared to before him. I haven't read much of it yet but one thing that stood out is that homeless population has gone from 30k to 50k.
Cover is a pic of Bloomberg close up so you only see part of his suit coat and up to about his nose with the words "His Town."
Quote from: garbon on September 11, 2013, 08:22:25 AM
Ugh, I didn't know that de Blasio's campaign slogan was Tale of Two Cities. Time to get excited about Lhota. :cry:
:lol:
You would think Jacobins would not use that as a slogan.
From NYT:
QuoteLhota Hopes to Capitalize on Elite Dismay Over a Liberal Tilt
They are startled and unsure how to react. "Terrifying," is how one banker put it.
Many in New York's business and financial elite, stung by the abrupt ascent of Bill de Blasio, an unapologetic tax-the-rich liberal, are fixated on a single question: What are we going to do?
The angst, emanating from charity galas and Park Avenue dinner tables, has created an unexpected political opening for Joseph J. Lhota, the Republican nominee, whose once-sleepy candidacy is now viewed by players in both parties as their last, best hope for salvaging the business-friendly government of the Bloomberg era.
Even before his victory speech on Tuesday night, Mr. Lhota was moving quickly to exploit his newfound role. He planned to speak on primary night with Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, whose blessing could confer credibility with the Manhattan establishment.
His fund-raisers are wooing real estate and business moguls turned off by the leftist tenor of the Democratic primary campaign, and some Democratic officials have already quietly approached him to offer help.
"I've heard from people who would usually be inclined to support the Democratic candidate," said an upbeat James S. Tisch, the chief executive of the Loews Corporation and a finance chairman of Mr. Lhota's campaign, as he greeted well-wishers at a breakfast fund-raiser that attracted 200 guests — both Democrats and Republicans — on Monday.
Even if Democrats hold a runoff election, Mr. de Blasio's commanding finish in the primary Tuesday night means that his liberal message could well dominate that intraparty contest, leaving Mr. Lhota likely to face a left-leaning opponent in November.
Mr. Lhota knows he has to make a convincing case: he has struggled to connect on the campaign trail, where his semi-ironic humor does not always translate, and he occasionally needs to be reminded to talk to people at parades.
But he brings an easy charm and a commanding knowledge of municipal government, having served as a chief lieutenant to Rudolph W. Giuliani and overseen the region's sprawling transportation network.
Fund-raising is an immediate priority, after a lackluster effort in the primary. But Mr. Lhota believes a matchup with a left-leaning Democrat will provide him with the starkest possible contrast between his brand of no-nonsense, Bloomberg-style management and a liberal who can be depicted as more focused on ideology than competence.
"Over the next two months, New Yorkers will see two completely different visions for the future of our city," Mr. Lhota told cheering supporters on Tuesday evening, before launching into a searing criticism of Mr. de Blasio's "tale of two cities" mantra.
"This tale is nothing more than class warfare," Mr. Lhota said. "It's this kind of thinking that brought our city to the brink of bankruptcy and rampant civic decay."
In the days ahead, Mr. Lhota will seek to exploit weaknesses that he believes were rarely revealed during the Democratic contest, when the like-minded candidates often differed on tactics rather than substance. He plans to cast his opponent as a naïve ideologue who would send the city back to the ruinous days of the last Democratic administration, that of David N. Dinkins, where Mr. de Blasio got his start in government. And Mr. Lhota will emphasize his support of the stop-and-frisk police tactic.
But as Mr. Lhota seeks to secure support, Mr. de Blasio, aware that his rhetoric has unsettled powerful people, has quietly been in touch with several establishment figures recently, including Rob Speyer, the chairman of the Real Estate Board of New York, and the financier Steven Rattner. Both men have close ties to Mr. Bloomberg, and supported the campaign of Christine C. Quinn in the Democratic primary.
In some of these conversations, Mr. de Blasio has played down his unabashedly liberal positions, pointing out that no public-sector union has endorsed him, and saying that he would represent the wealthy as well as the 99 percent if elected mayor, according to people familiar with the discussions.
But the outreach by Mr. de Blasio has not kept Mr. Lhota's team from receiving a deluge of calls in recent weeks.
Disaffected Democrats have reached out, Mr. Tisch said, expressing concerns that Mr. de Blasio would be a "destructive" figure in a city accustomed to a business-friendly mayor.
"My phone has been ringing," said Mr. Tisch, a Democrat who has backed such party stalwarts as Senators Charles E. Schumer and Kirsten E. Gillibrand.
Still, he noted, Mr. Lhota has work to do.
"The first question they ask is, 'Can Lhota win?' " Mr. Tisch said. "When they hear 'yes,' then they're interested."
More in link.
My heart breaks for the concerned fat cats. :( This is making me very conflicted: on one side you have lemon socialists, on the other side you have regular socialists.
Which side needs actuaries?
Quote from: garbon on September 11, 2013, 10:35:09 PM
Which side needs actuaries?
Real socialists do need someone to sign off on a 20.75% assumed annual growth rate for the public pension funds. :hmm:
Ah because you love to lie?
Quote from: garbon on September 11, 2013, 10:43:10 PM
Ah because you love to lie?
Only in his off time. He's not in Market Research after all.
Quote from: garbon on September 11, 2013, 08:46:30 PM
From NYT:
QuoteLhota Hopes to Capitalize on Elite Dismay Over a Liberal Tilt
They are startled and unsure how to react. "Terrifying," is how one banker put it.
Really, a 0.5% tax increase is cause for terror? I thought terror was like suicide bombs or the Comite de Salut Public or the Cheka.
The over-the-top hysteria is revealing of the degree to which certain people have become so out of touch with reality.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 12, 2013, 10:25:15 AM
Really, a 0.5% tax increase is cause for terror? I thought terror was like suicide bombs or the Comite de Salut Public or the Cheka.
The over-the-top hysteria is revealing of the degree to which certain people have become so out of touch with reality.
On top of the taxes already in place? Definitely a sign of destructive policies to come.
What is the current top rate on the city income tax?
The highest income bracket starts at 500K. The tax proposal is to go from 3.876 percent to 4.41 percent.
Keep in mind that real estate taxes in NYC are significantly lower than for the surrounding areas, because of the income tax. So a $5 million townhouse in NYC carries an annual tax bill in the 8000-10,000 range, whereas a 1.5 million house in Westchester or Long Island may carry a $30,000 tax bill. That is a very significant benefit for wealthy people that own property in the City.
I agree that terrifying does not objectively describe an increase of that magnitude.
What i think is cause for concern however, is the thought that there is nothing protecting the sheep against the two wolves who are voting on what to have for lunch.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 12, 2013, 10:57:16 AM
What i think is cause for concern however, is the thought that there is nothing protecting the sheep against the two wolves who are voting on what to have for lunch.
Yep and I think that's really what people are reacting too and not simply the .5% tax hike as Joan puts it.
Well, that's pretty ridiculous then.
I hadn't heard anything about the race in a while. In the most recent poll de Blasio has 67% of the votes while Lhota has 23%. :(
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
I hadn't heard anything about the race in a while. In the most recent poll de Blasio has 67% of the votes while Lhota has 23%. :(
both those names sound ethnic
Don't think NYC has had a WASP mayor in my lifetime.
Quote from: Viking on October 13, 2013, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
I hadn't heard anything about the race in a while. In the most recent poll de Blasio has 67% of the votes while Lhota has 23%. :(
both those names sound ethnic
From wikipedia on Blasio - Hardly what NYC would consider exotic :rolleyes:
QuoteHis father had German ancestry, and his maternal grandparents, Giovanni and Anna, were Italian immigrants[3][4] from the city of Benevento
Bill De Blasio Elected Mayor of New York, Exit Polls Show
Quote from: Phillip V on November 05, 2013, 09:05:18 PM
Bill De Blasio Elected Mayor of New York, Exit Polls Show
No kidding - I saw thousands of refugees in Gucci loafers fleeing across the bridges this morning.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 06, 2013, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on November 05, 2013, 09:05:18 PM
Bill De Blasio Elected Mayor of New York, Exit Polls Show
No kidding - I saw thousands of refugees in Gucci loafers fleeing across the bridges this morning.
I think now the strategy is just to contain and neutralize. I doubt anyone would be bothered to flee so quickly. :)
:hmm:
I wonder what to think of de Blasio's "new" police commissioner. Someone who saw arrests soar when he previously helmed city as well as oversaw the expansion of stop and frisk in LA.
He's what New Yorkers want.
But de Blasio was running on the fumes of Hope & Change.
He's not that fucking stupid.